ES2002a H01 FEE005 50.42 50.99 Okay. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 53.56 53.96 Right. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 60.35 67.55 Um and um this is just what we're gonna be doing over the next twenty five minutes. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 74.42 77.29 Do you want to introduce yourself again? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 67.55 74.42 Um so first of all, just to kind of make sure that we all know each other, I'm Laura and I'm the project manager. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 55.41 60.35 Um well this is the kick-off meeting for our our project. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 67.2 67.45 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 74.89 75.23 Great. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 77.44 80.87 Hi, I'm David and I'm supposed to be an industrial designer. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 80.81 81.26 Okay. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 82.08 84.46 And I'm Andrew and I'm uh our marketing 
ES2002a H02 MEE007 85.99 88.71 Um I'm Craig and I'm User Interface. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 86.07 86.5 expert. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 92.48 98.57 Um so we're designing a new remote control and um Oh I have to record who's here actually. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 89.3 90.01 Great. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 90.01 92.48 Okay. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 98.57 101.76 So that's David, Andrew and Craig, isn't it? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 104.89 106.58 And you all arrived on time. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 131.36 132.03 What did you get? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 108.96 111.72 Um yeah so des uh design a new remote control. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 111.72 116.66 Um, as you can see it's supposed to be original, trendy and user friendly. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 120.98 126.12 Um and so there are three different stages to the design. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 126.12 131.36 Um I'm not really sure what what you guys have already received um in your emails. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 116.66 120.98 Um so that's kind of our our brief, as it were. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 132.57 136.68 Um, I just got the project announcement about what the project is. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 140.77 141.97 Did you get the same thing? 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 138.19 140.77 That's about it, didn't get anything else. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 136.68 138.19 Designing a remote control. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 135.08 135.44 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 137.12 137.38 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 138.96 139.51 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 139.51 140.56 Yeah, that's that's it. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 142.66 144.43 Um. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 158.41 159.59 Um. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 140.1 141.53 Is that what everybody got? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 147.91 151.79 And repeat that process three times. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 165.91 167.31 So who would like to go first? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 159.59 165.91 So uh you get to draw your favourite animal and sum up your favourite characteristics of it. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 151.79 158.41 Um and at this point we get try out the whiteboard over there. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 144.43 147.91 So we're gonna have like individual work and then a meeting about it. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 141.53 142.66 Okay. 
ES2002a H02 MEE007 140.47 140.83 Yeah. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 141.8 141.94 Yeah. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 167.36 167.81 That's fine. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 166.67 167.36 I will go. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 167.84 168.84 Very good. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 174.2 176.12 Alright. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 176.12 176.81 So 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 181.39 182.34 This one here, right? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 183.26 184.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 183.93 185.34 Okay. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 187.46 188.35 My favourite animal 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 185.34 186.46 Very nice. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 186.46 187.46 Alright. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 190.01 192.02 is like 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 203.45 204.24 A beagle. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 229.16 237.96 And, yeah that they have lots of personality and uh be fit and in robust good health. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 241.42 242.41 My family's beagle. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 237.96 239.85 So this is blue. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 211.97 214.88 Um charac favourite characteristics of it? 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 239.85 241.42 Blue beagle. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 214.88 216.46 Is that right? 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 216.46 229.16 Uh, right, well basically um high priority for any animal for me is that they be willing to take a lot of physical affection from their family. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 216.6 216.77 Yeah. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 215.95 216.6 Yeah. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 243.4 244.71 Right. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 244.71 245.7 Lovely. 
ES2002a H02 MEE007 255.07 257.26 Well, my favourite animal would be a monkey. 
ES2002a H02 MEE007 268 273.99 Then they're small cute and furry, and uh when planet of the apes becomes real, I'm gonna be up there with them. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 275.67 276.02 Right. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 275.83 276.14 Cool. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 280.75 282.64 There's too much gear. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 291.76 293.37 Don't feel like you're in a rush, anyway. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 285.95 290.31 You can take as long over this as you like, because we haven't got an awful lot to discuss. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 290.31 291.76 Ok oh we do we do. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 293.26 294.25 Okay. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 298.02 300.92 Boy, let me tell you. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 296.02 298.02 I coulda told you a whole lot more about beagles. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 297.94 300.43 Ach why not We might have to get you up again then. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 301.14 302.11 I don't know what mine is. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 302.11 303.58 I'm gonna have to think on the spot now. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 307.06 307.89 Impressionist. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 309.38 310.85 Can't draw. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 312.05 315.13 Is that a whale? 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 312.06 312.83 Um. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 313.08 313.52 Yeah. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 325.43 327.86 Big reason is 'cause I'm allergic to most animals. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 318.58 324.11 Um, well anyway, I don't know, it's just the first animal I can think off the top of my head. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 325 325.43 Yes. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 327.86 331.57 Allergic to animal fur, so um fish was a natural choice. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 324.11 325 Um. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 327.91 328.53 Ah. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 332.03 334.32 Um, yeah, and I kind of like whales. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 334.32 337.7 They come in and go eat everything in sight. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 337.98 339.05 Alright. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 338.22 341.52 And they're quite harmless and mild and interesting. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 341.85 342.2 Mm. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 346.39 346.85 Um. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 342.42 343.63 Okay. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 343.63 346.39 God, I still don't know what I'm gonna write about. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 349.66 350.84 Superb sketch, by the way. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 351.68 355.11 Tail's a bit big, I think. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 360.21 364.23 M my favourite animal is my own dog at home. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 357.54 360.21 But I'll just draw a different kind of dog. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 364.23 364.96 Um 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 354.91 357.54 I was gonna choose a dog as well. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 359.62 359.9 Yep. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 367.01 368.63 That doesn't really look like him, actually. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 373.3 374.72 He looks more like a pig, actually. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 375.84 376.27 Ah well. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 378.46 379.99 I see a dog in there. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 379.99 380.14 Yep. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 380.06 380.97 Oh that's very good of you. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 379.52 380.06 Do you? 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 382.82 383.68 Now I see a rooster. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 388.27 389.07 Uh. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 393.42 394.21 What kind is it? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 394.87 398.71 Um he's a mixture of uh various things. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 405.71 413.93 Um he's very friendly and cheery and always pleased to see you, and very kind of affectionate and um 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 398.71 405.71 Um and what do I like about him, um That's just to suggest that his tail wags. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 421.48 422.22 Um 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 415 421.48 uh and he's quite quite wee as well so you know he can doesn't take up too much space. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 425.56 431.78 and uh And he does a funny thing where he chases his tail as well, which is quite amusing, so 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 431.27 433.44 Is he aware that th it's his own cha tail he's chasing? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 433.83 434.2 It is. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 434.2 434.67 I think it is. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 434.67 441.92 He only does it after he's had his dinner and um he'll just all of a sudden just get up and start chasing his tail 'round the living room. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 440.33 440.47 Hmm. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 440.38 443.21 It's an after dinner dog then. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 443.59 445.5 Yeah, so uh 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 444.05 448.71 Probably when he was little he got lots of attention for doing it and has forever been conditioned. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 447.15 448.08 Yeah, maybe. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 449 450.7 Maybe. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 453.39 453.61 Yeah. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 450.7 452.3 Right, um where did you find this? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 452.3 453.39 Just down here? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 455.51 456.76 Okay. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 458.29 462.47 Um what are we doing next? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 462.47 462.97 Uh um. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 465.51 470.01 Okay, uh we now need to discuss the project finance. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 470.01 470.66 Um 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 487.21 495 And uh we don't want it to cost any more than uh twelve fifty Euros, so fifty percent of the selling price. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 472.41 482.77 so according to the brief um we're gonna be selling this remote control for twenty five Euro, um and we're aiming to make fifty million Euro. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 482.77 487.21 Um so we're gonna be selling this on an international scale. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 488.56 488.91 'Kay. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 496.02 497.6 Um, can we just go over that again? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 497.99 498.46 Sure. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 499.16 503.79 Uh, so bas at twel Alright, yeah. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 503.79 504.1 Okay. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 513.05 514 Like on the shelf. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 505.28 513.05 So cost like production cost is twelve fifty, but selling price is is that wholesale or retail? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 508.17 508.92 All together. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 516.78 518.91 I imagine That's a good question. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 515.16 516.78 Um I dunno. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 518.3 520.65 Our sale our sale anyway. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 520.65 522.57 Yeah, okay okay. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 519.66 522.91 I imagine it probably is our sale actually because it's probably up to the 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 524.21 529.55 the um the retailer to uh sell it for whatever price they want. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 529.55 530.2 Um. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 526.79 527.04 Okay. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 528.9 529.14 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 531.58 531.8 Alright. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 532.46 538.19 I mean do you think the fact that it's going to be sold internationally will have a bearing on how we design it at all? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 531.83 532.46 But I I don't know 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 538.77 539.13 Yes. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 541.16 542.15 Um. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 539.3 541.16 Think it will? 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 540.69 540.94 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 543.86 544.12 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 544.54 546.05 Hmm. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 554.28 565.35 Um f frequencies or something um as well as uh characters, um different uh keypad styles and s symbols. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 548.28 554.28 Well right away I'm wondering if there's um th th uh, like with D. V. D. players, if there are zones. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 556.62 557.55 Yeah. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 553.78 556.62 Oh yeah, regions and stuff, yeah. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 557.55 558.05 Okay. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 565.04 565.32 Hmm. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 565.92 571.01 Well for a remote control, do you think that will be I suppose it's depends on how complicated our remote control is. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 565.13 565.92 Yeah. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 566.16 566.7 Um. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 568.46 568.83 I don't know. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 571.22 571.58 Yeah. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 571.74 580.21 It does make sense from maybe the design point of view 'cause you have more complicated characters like European languages, then you need more buttons. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 583.04 583.9 Okay. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 580.41 583.04 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 580.66 580.94 Yeah. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 581.29 582.52 So, possibly. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 583.5 587.78 And then a and then al the other thing international is on top of the price. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 582.33 583.5 Yeah. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 587.78 588.82 I'm thinking 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 591 596.83 the price might might appeal to a certain market in one region, whereas in another it'll be different, so 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 600.42 603.42 Like how much money people have to spend on things like? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 597.79 600.42 What, just like in terms of like the wealth of the country? 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 598.26 600.06 Just a chara just a characteristic of the 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 601.09 601.84 Just 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 602.87 611.16 Or just like, basic product podi positioning, the twenty five Euro remote control might be a big hit in London,
ES2002a H03 MEE008 611.16 616.94 might not be such a big hit in Greece, who knows, something like that, yeah. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 615.74 617.28 Aye, I see what you mean, yeah. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 619.01 620.05 Marketing. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 623.26 624.87 Um. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 620.05 621.09 Good marketing thoughts. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 621.09 623.26 Oh gosh, I should be writing all this down. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 620.48 620.64 Yep. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 655.45 662.11 Right away I'm making some kind of assumptions about what what information we're given here, thinking,
ES2002a H03 MEE008 668.59 669.16 Um 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 662.11 668.59 'kay trendy probably means something other than just basic, something other than just standard. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 660.7 661.22 Mm. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 665.36 665.84 Yeah. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 670.31 677.85 so I'm wondering right away, is selling twenty five Euros, is that sort of the thi is this gonna to be like the premium product kinda thing or 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 677.66 680.53 Like how much does, you know, a remote control cost. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 677.15 677.66 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 680.52 680.81 Uh-huh. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 681.66 683.81 Well twenty five Euro, I mean that's um 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 689.7 691.58 Sixteen seventeen eighteen pounds. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 684.9 687.81 that's about like eighteen pounds or something, isn't it? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 687.81 689.7 Or no, is it as much as that? 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 687.72 688.11 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 689.77 689.98 Yep. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 691.16 691.97 Yeah, I'd say so, yeah. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 699.52 700.41 Um. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 692.42 699.52 Um, I dunno, I've never bought a remote control, so I don't know how how good a remote control that would get you. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 696.23 696.58 No. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 697.98 702.01 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 702.02 705.01 But yeah, I suppose it has to look kind of cool and gimmicky. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 704.03 704.41 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 707.1 710.07 Um right, okay. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 714.96 721.44 Um well d Does anybody have anything to add to uh to the finance issue at all? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 713.81 714.96 Okay. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 711.43 713.81 Let me just scoot on ahead here. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 722.77 727.01 Do we have any other background information on like how that compares to other 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 722.81 723 Thin 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 728.32 732.87 That would be useful, though, wouldn't it, if you knew like what your money would get you now. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 727.65 728.32 No, actually. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 728.35 729.23 other 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 730.73 731.07 Yeah. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 732.32 732.54 Hmm. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 734.73 735.08 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 735.11 735.7 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 772.49 773.41 It just comes along. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 753.67 760.59 Yeah, interesting thing about discussing um production of a remote control for me is that l as you point out 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 767.74 772.49 It's just like getting shoelaces with shoes or something. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 760.59 767.74 I just don't think of remote controls as somethin something people consciously assess in their purchasing habits. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 767.69 768.25 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 772.01 772.14 Oh. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 775.33 776.97 We're a bit behind. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 774.17 775.33 Oh, okay. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 772.8 774.17 Five minutes to end of meeting. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 776.12 777.67 Do you know what I mean? 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 780.91 786.49 well the people producing television sets, maybe they have to buy remote controls. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 777.67 780.91 Like so sort of like how do you I I mean one one way of looking at it would be,
ES2002a H03 MEE008 786.49 793.63 Or another way is maybe people who have T. V. sets are really fed up with their remote control and they really want a better one or something. 
ES2002a H02 MEE007 776.73 777.89 Yeah. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 777.7 778.02 Yeah. 
ES2002a H02 MEE007 792.52 793.32 I know um 
ES2002a H02 MEE007 794.52 801.38 My parents went out and bought um remote controls because um they got fed up of having four or five different remote controls for each things the house. 
ES2002a H02 MEE007 801.38 804.33 So um for them it was just how many devices control. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 794.53 795.16 But 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 801.75 802.45 Okay so 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 800.71 801.75 Right. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 799.88 800.71 Right. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 804.47 810.44 Right, so in function one of the priorities might be to combine as many uses 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 806.46 806.98 Yeah. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 815.56 820.83 do your your satellite and your regular telly and your V. C. R. and everything? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 811.51 815.56 Right, so do you think that should be like a main design aim of our remote control d you know 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 815.81 817.04 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 814.98 815.81 I think so. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 818.45 818.67 Yeah. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 828.28 834.09 They're gone from being just like little sort of scribble boards to cameras, M. P. three players, telephones, 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 819.79 828.28 Well like um, maybe what we could use is a sort of like a example of a successful other piece technology is palm palm pilots. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 832.76 833.2 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 836.31 844.09 So, like, I wonder if we might add something new to the to the remote control market, such as the lighting in your house, or um 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 835.22 836.31 everything, agenda. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 839.53 840.69 Yeah. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 847.62 851.55 Like you might put in there oh I want to watch such and such and look a Oh that's a good idea. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 851.55 853.03 So extra functionalities. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 843.99 847.62 Or even like, you know, notes about um what you wanna watch. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 849.08 851.06 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 851.06 851.42 An 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 852.79 853.54 Yeah. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 866.91 870.27 So it's sort of ironic that that then they're in there 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 862.9 866.91 So they w all work actually function together but I have different remote controls for each of them. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 853.54 862.9 Like, p personally for me, at home I've I've combined the um the audio video of my television set and my D. V. D. player and my C. D. player. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 866.59 867.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 872.03 872.56 um 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 874.02 876.45 you know, the sound and everything it's just one system. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 876.45 877.77 But each one's got its own little 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 876.88 877.46 Hmm. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 878.95 879.22 part. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 883.05 889.88 Um okay, uh I'd wel we're gonna have to wrap up pretty quickly in the next couple of minutes. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 891.96 892.58 Okay. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 898.27 902.62 what they would really like to be part of this new one at all? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 892.58 898.27 Um so anything else anybody wants to add about what they don't like about remote controls they've used 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 889.88 891.96 Um I'll just check we've nothing else. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 903.08 903.98 And you keep losing them. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 904.6 905.58 You keep losing them. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 905.58 906.08 Okay. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 904.75 905.26 Mm. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 906.45 908.59 Finding them is really a pain, you know. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 908.59 914.44 I mean it's usually quite small, or when you want it right, it slipped behind the couch or it's kicked under the table. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 907.47 908.84 Mm. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 908.84 909.26 Mm. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 911.79 912.1 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 911.1 911.79 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 920.04 922.53 There I mean is that something we'd want to include, do you think? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 914.71 920.04 W You get those ones where you can, if you like, whistle or make a really high pitched noise they beep. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 913.17 914.71 Yeah. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 913.22 913.58 Yeah. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 914.77 915.13 Yeah. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 915.45 916.11 You know. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 916.12 916.97 That's just really good id 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 919.28 919.69 Yep. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 946.4 951.49 Maybe we could think about how, could be more, you know, streamlined. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 927.64 932.01 I remember when the first remote control my my family had was on a cable. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 951.49 952.63 S 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 932.01 937.36 Actually had a cable between it and the T. V. and big like buttons that sort of like, like on a blender or something. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 937.36 942.95 And um, you know, when I think about what they are now, it's better, but actually it's still kind of,
ES2002a H03 MEE008 942.95 946.4 I dunno, like a massive junky thing on the table. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 924.35 927.64 Uh, sure. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 925.37 926.64 Dunno. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 926.64 927.4 Okay maybe. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 937 937.62 My goodness. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 946.26 948.04 Still feels quite primitive. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 951.41 952.78 Maybe like a touch screen or something? 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 953.06 954.2 Something like that, yeah. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 954.2 956.35 Or whatever would be technologically reasonable. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 954.09 954.42 Okay. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 957.42 959.3 Well I guess that's up to our industrial designer. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 956.36 957.42 Uh-huh, okay. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 957.54 961.34 'Cause it could b it could it could be that f it could be that functionally that doesn't make it any better 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 964.15 969.56 these days there's a r pe things in people's homes are becoming more and more like chic, you know. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 961.34 964.15 but that just the appeal of of not having You know,
ES2002a H03 MEE008 969.56 972.96 Um, nicer materials and might be 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 962.22 963.35 It looks better. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 969 969.47 Yeah. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 971.85 972.39 Okay. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 975.24 975.63 Okay. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 975.57 976.83 be worth exploring anyway. 
ES2002a H02 MEE007 976.66 976.73 Uh. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 996.69 1004.08 Um for user interface, technical functions, I guess that's you know like what we've been talking about, what it'll actually do. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1004.08 1008.75 Um and uh marketing executive, 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 991.56 996.69 you're gonna be working on you know the actual working design of it so y you know what you're doing there. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 977.17 981.67 Right, well um so just to wrap up, the next meeting's gonna be in thirty minutes. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 985.49 991.56 Um so inbetween now and then, um as the industrial designer 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 981.67 985.49 So that's about um about ten to twelve by my watch. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 993.88 994.02 Yep. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1013.02 1019.31 what requirements it has to has to fulfil and you'll all get instructions emailed to you, I guess. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1010.02 1013.02 you'll be just thinking about what it actually what, you know,
ES2002a H03 MEE008 1019.67 1020.01 Okay. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1021.55 1022.56 Um. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1028.05 1031.66 Yeah, so it's th the functional design stage is next, I guess. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1034.47 1035.27 And uh 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1036.47 1037.69 and that's the end of the meeting. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1039.11 1042.62 So I got that little message a lot sooner than I thought I would, so 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 1039.8 1040.97 Um. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 1051.44 1057.14 do we We were given sort of an example of a coffee machine or something, right? 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 1057.14 1057.41 Well, 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 1047.17 1051.44 Before we wrap up, just to make sure we're all on the same page here, um,
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1049.54 1050.04 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1056.3 1057.68 Uh-huh, yeah. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 1056.93 1057.08 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 1058.6 1059.15 um 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 1073.79 1074.44 I I don't know. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 1060.99 1067.54 are we at ma right now on the assumption that our television remote control may have features which go beyond the television? 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 1067.54 1073.79 Or are we keeping sort of like a a design commitment to television features? 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1068.76 1068.8 Th 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1076.64 1084.84 Um I guess that's up to us, I mean you probably want some kind of unique selling point of it, so um, you know 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1073.56 1076.64 Okay, well just very quickly 'cause this we're supposed to finish now. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 1077.45 1078.06 Yeah, sure. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 1076.56 1077.45 Yep. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 1081.99 1082.38 Okay. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 1084.35 1086.91 I think one factor would be production cost. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 1086.96 1087.76 Okay, yeah. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 1094.65 1094.9 Um. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 1087.57 1094.65 Because there's a cap there, so um depends on how much you can cram into that price. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1087.58 1088.2 Yeah. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 1089.89 1090.23 Okay. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1093.82 1094.41 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 1093.83 1094.13 Okay. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1095.78 1096.16 Yeah. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 1096.03 1098.43 I think that that's the main factor. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1098.51 1099.43 Okay. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1099.43 1102.48 Right, okay, we'll that's that's the end of the meeting, then. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1102.48 1103.2 Um. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 1098.52 1098.84 Okay. 
ES2002a H03 MEE008 1102.4 1102.85 Alright. 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1104.58 1105.58 So, uh 
ES2002a H01 FEE005 1106.58 1109.39 thank you all for coming. 
ES2002a H00 MEE006 1107.82 1109.45 Cool. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 14.59 15.42 Is that alright now? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 16.94 17.91 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 19.66 20.39 Sorry? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 23.28 25.34 Okay, everybody all set to start the meeting? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 60.5 64.14 you know, cost-wise how much how much money we had to s 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 34.61 35.54 All ready to go? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 50.55 60.5 Um kind of uh got to know each other a little bit and uh got familiar with all the equipment and started to discuss um a bit about the project,
ES2002b H01 FEE005 35.54 36.97 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 36.97 44.39 Um so hopefully you've all been working away, and I've put the minutes of the last meeting in the project folder. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 44.39 50.55 Um so I guess just to to recap on uh what we did last time. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 25.34 34.61 Okay, we've got half an hour for this one um to uh discuss the um functional design. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 27.38 28.53 Could you plug me in? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 30.49 33.32 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 33.32 34.09 Thanks. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 36.45 38.34 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 100.92 104.29 Um just want to tell you that you have three new requirements 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 139.66 141.68 the time to market. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 145.41 150.49 And the other thing was that the company want the corporate colour and slogan to be implemented in the new design. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 114.79 121.94 Nobody uses teletext very much anymore, so we don't really need to consider that in the functionality of the of the remote control. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 104.29 114.79 um which is the The first one is that um uh the company's decided that teletext is outdated uh because of how popular the internet is. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 141.68 145.41 So um, we're just gonna keep it simple and it'll just control the T. V. . 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 130.69 139.66 I think the worry is that if the project becomes too complex then it'll affect um how long it takes us to get it into into production 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 121.94 130.69 Um they've also suggested that we um we only use the remote control to control the television, not the V. C. R., D. V. D. or anything else. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 116.75 116.99 'Kay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 141.27 141.59 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 154.97 158.12 It might be yellow, because there seems to be a lot of yellow everywhere. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 151.21 154.97 Um I'm not entirely sure what the corporate colour is. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 157.94 163.02 And the slogan, like the actual written slogan, or just to embody the idea of the slogan? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 163.16 165.72 Well that's the thing, I'm I'm not sure um 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 166.49 171.48 uh th because on the the company website, uh what does it say 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 172.4 174.07 'Bout putting the fashion in electronics. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 172.42 173 Uh something 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 173.99 179.3 Yeah, I mean do they Is that something they want actually written on it, 'cause it's quite long. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 174.28 174.47 Mm yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 180.07 182.3 Um or yeah, just the idea, but I'm not sure. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 206.79 208 Who would like to go first? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 196.19 204.57 Um so is everybody okay with any of that, or do you want me to recap at all? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 204.57 206.79 Right um, time for presentations then. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 182.3 183.96 So that's something we can discuss as well. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 190 196.19 and um and uh incorporate the uh colour and slogan of the company. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 183.96 190 So those are the three things, just not to worry about teletext, uh only control the T. V. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 202.95 203.98 Nope, we're all set. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 209.9 210.79 I'll go first. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 211.03 211.28 Sure. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 211.13 211.83 Okay, cool. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 219.91 220.49 Uh 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 217.21 219.91 Alright um, can I st steal this from the back of your laptop? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 221.38 222.11 G go on ahead. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 219.83 221.38 Oh yeah, of course, yeah. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 258.38 260.05 so this is the technical functions design. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 261.67 262.41 Um 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 265.52 270.24 Right to do the um the design I have I've had a look online,
ES2002b H02 MEE007 270.24 275.05 I've had a look at the homepage, which has given us um some insp inspiration from previous products. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 275.05 284.6 Um I've had a look at the previous products to see what they offer and um I would like to ask you guys for um your ideas about the design at the end of the meeting. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 284.6 287.89 Um unfortunately we're not allowed to talk outside the meeting room, so 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 274.45 274.85 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 287.45 288.19 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 287.64 288 Right. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 289.13 295.73 Um, having a look at the existing products, I found out that um it tends to come in sort of two extremes,
ES2002b H02 MEE007 295.73 301.7 there's either um a very complicated one that's got lots of buttons, lots of colours, very confusing, you don't know what you're doing. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 304.7 308.63 Um there's an example I'll show you at the end, um sh show you now. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 301.7 304.7 Um in that case the the labelling tends to be very bad. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 308.91 312.51 Uh 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 318.74 319.88 This one's prog. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 319.88 320.13 Sorry. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 314.72 318.74 here um the button there and there. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 320.13 323.43 That one's perg and that one's prog, and it doesn't really tell you what it does. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 315.11 316.29 Alright. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 340.2 347.9 It's got only the basic functions mm but um it's the same size as the the hard to use one. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 347.9 349.57 Uh it looked a bit clunky. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 334.36 338.76 Um, not sure if you had a a look at the other um control in that example. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 338.76 340.2 Um it's a very simple one. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 349.57 353.69 They're very big and not very much use for buttons. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 357.33 359.37 There's there's nothing for instance for a slow motion button. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 353.69 357.33 Um, and it's just very hard to access the advanced functions. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 345.86 346.37 Oop. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 365.93 367.39 Um it's very easy to use. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 373.85 378.99 Um so I believe the the advanced functions should maybe be hidden in a drawer, or something like tha from the bottom of it. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 367.39 373.85 Um but unfortunately it does lack the advanced functions which I I quite like having on the controls. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 362.3 365.93 Um, my own preferences, I prefer the the clunky one. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 384.29 387.05 Um not sure of how long we've got, uh 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 381.54 384.29 So, now I'd like to ask for your preferences. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 388.63 392.43 Well we can chat away for uh for five minutes or so I think at at most. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 392.43 393.56 Just a couple of minutes anyway. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 386.73 388.63 Um. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 391.86 392.42 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 411.48 414.07 But anyway, um we might come to that later. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 394.06 394.55 M yeah 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 394.55 403.08 like a lot of a lot of what I've um read and prepared for this meeting fits in really closely with what with what Craig's just gone over. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 403.08 411.48 So in part I could I could give you some of my personal preferences but I could also th add some to this which is just about sort of um sort of market research. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 411 412.66 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 412.66 415.11 Shall we sh well we'll stick to kind of your area for now. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 413.84 416.19 Which which is the clunky one, the one on left or on the right? 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 414.63 416.8 Um, the clunky one is the one on the right. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 417.13 417.39 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 417.54 417.94 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 417.62 420.46 Um clunky in what sense, like um h heavier? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 420.46 421.85 Larger? 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 431.82 433.21 got very few buttons on it and 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 425.23 431.82 It's, you know, it's very spread out and kind of you know, I get the idea it'd be sort of about this size. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 420.99 425.23 Um I think it's supposed to be the same size, but um it's got much fewer buttons. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 428.97 429.59 Right, okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 425.98 428.97 I see, so it's more just basic. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 427.24 428.56 Looks kind of Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 431.45 431.71 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 432.71 433.3 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 433.3 433.74 Sure. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 435.58 444.05 I mean like the one on the left looks quite um quite complicated, and that P. R. T. p P. R. O. T. thing is incredibly confusing. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 457.41 459.9 I think it's a good idea. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 455.8 457.41 I think that's a good idea. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 434.06 435.58 Well I think it's a valid point. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 450.98 455.8 you know, what it does, so maybe you know you know you get a lot of remote controls where you kind of flip the thing open 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 444.05 450.98 Um so I see I see why yo you know you might prefer the simpler design, but yeah you don't want to lose out on,
ES2002b H03 MEE008 451.79 452.21 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 456.14 456.54 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 457.45 457.74 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 460.15 460.45 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 460.53 463.55 Um, do we have any functions that um we'd want on it? 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 463.55 468.57 I mean so far I've got um on and off, um switch the channel up and down, and put the volume up and down. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 468.57 470.85 Um they're just the the very basics you could use for a T. V. . 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 465.62 466.23 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 468.48 468.87 Uh-huh. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 470.95 474.41 Uh-huh, and then actual numbers for channels as well, yeah. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 475.17 477.68 Um, you say that's a h a required one or a requested one? 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 477.68 483.78 Would you like um the channels like the the numbers on thing, um 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 474.16 475.17 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 477.66 478.27 Which was that? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 481.12 482.38 Up the numbers, or the up down? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 482.97 484.64 God, I wou I would say that's required,
ES2002b H01 FEE005 484.64 491.8 I mean there's no way anybody's gonna buy a remote control these days when if you can't actually individually select channels, I mean would anybody disagree with that? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 489.24 489.59 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 491.21 491.48 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 500.87 508.23 uh any kind of like display controls at all do you think we need to worry about, you know like brightness and contrast? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 492.83 500.87 Um, what else, uh So don't need to worry about teletext, don't need to worry about V. C. R. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 504.51 504.7 No? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 503.68 504.51 We don't? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 506.94 507.33 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 510.83 518.76 We're saying well we want this to be a product that offers all the sort of more tricky features but we want them to be in another area? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 507.88 510.83 Well I think I think es essentially what we're doing right now is we're categorising. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 518.76 519.57 Is that right? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 521.15 525.89 We're kind of like sorting them an Or are we actually eliminating things we just don't want the product to have? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 519.57 521.15 Is that what we're we're doing? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 513.78 514.1 Mm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 519.94 520.51 Yeah. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 520.89 521.5 Um, yeah. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 522.89 523.45 Um 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 526.3 530.85 I think are you are you maybe kind of thinking what we absolutely have to have and what would be nice? 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 532.16 537.11 um we need to find out exactly what we have to have um and after that we can add things if they're possible. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 529.84 532.16 Uh, to start with um sort of a bit both 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 534.22 534.64 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 539.41 545.74 Well, do you wanna maybe just, at this point decide on what we absolutely must have as a p as a function of this. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 537.48 539.41 Okay, right. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 545.74 550.49 Um, so so far, just to recap you've got volume and channel control and 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 543.79 544.09 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 545.67 545.95 Yep. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 548.23 553.05 There's um on and off, um volume and channel, and skip to certain channels with the numbers. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 553.25 554.58 Right okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 554.58 555.9 Um 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 560.01 569.05 Well, one one way I would look at this um would be that we a approach the different controls in terms of um like control types 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 569.05 572.49 so that for the user it's very clear what they want to do where they go. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 601 606.8 Um so maybe we need to think about having three or more groupings of controls 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 582.38 593.79 Maybe they're un they're they're they're in a little area but covered up um, things like channel and volume um are used all the time,
ES2002b H03 MEE008 593.79 601 so we just have them right out on top, um very just very sort of self-explanatory. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 572.49 578.04 Uh and also think maybe a little bit about sorta w w what would just wanna be acc easily accessible. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 611.72 616.44 And others that are uh also available and then others that are concealed. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 578.04 582.38 For example if we had audio controls, those could be something people set up very rarely. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 606.8 611.72 you know like one which are just the the habitual ones that should be right within your natural grip. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 616.44 617.16 Something like that. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 571.75 572.96 Mm-hmm yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 578.17 578.5 Oka 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 585.05 585.66 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 635.52 638.28 maybe like a mute button, that sort of thing. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 622.36 628.46 Um, uh do you think maybe that's the only kind of uh essential requirements 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 616.71 617.51 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 628.46 635.52 and then maybe just things that would be nice if it could do would be things like audio set up and display set up and things like that,
ES2002b H01 FEE005 638.28 641.54 Any of you anything to add to that at all? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 617.51 622.36 Uh well, just to to wrap up quickly on this this little section Have I just lost Oh no. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 641.54 642.41 No. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 638.21 638.51 Yeah. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 642.09 644.98 I'll add it later, I guess the presentation. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 640.98 642.09 No. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 645.96 650.94 Um okay, if we can move on to next presentation then please. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 650.94 651.83 Um 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 643.63 645.96 Okay, right. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 645.33 645.64 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 644.28 645.33 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 650.41 650.74 Sure. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 651.78 653.29 Do you want to switch places? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 651.99 653.25 Do you wanna 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 654.23 656.79 Can this plug come across? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 656.79 657.03 No. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 652.57 654.23 Can this can this pl reach? 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 654.75 655.75 No. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 655.75 656.02 No. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 655.73 657.25 Probably not, actually. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 658.53 661.41 So why don't I just pick up and move then. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 660.36 660.82 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 662.02 664.02 Here, I'll just 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 665.18 666.22 Why don't I just 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 679.25 682.71 Mm er, can you go up behind me? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 682.71 687.6 Kinda This is so This I'm all in a knot now. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 679.34 680.32 Just just switch them. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 683.44 686.66 bit complicated. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 686.66 689.16 It'd be nice if everything was wireless, wouldn't it? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 689.7 690.12 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 691.61 692.06 Right. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 725.03 729.78 because certainly I I have a hard time separating separating things completely. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 710.31 711.78 Which is ma not necessarily a bad thing 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 729.78 740.99 Obviously obviously what you've just told me what you've just told me impacts a lot on what um like market research mm that that I've been So how do I how do I get this up? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 711.78 725.03 but may what I've already started doing is cr I created a slide in in my presentation here so um so that we kind of think well what's the cumulative effect of what we've taken from your ideas and and mine 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 696.09 697.17 Um. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 740.99 741.25 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 709.05 710.31 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 699.09 709.05 I dunno whether this is for good or for bad but there'll be a lot of kind of uh redundancy in the in the the issues and the the uh the things. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 697.17 699.09 So I can I can say already 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 707.99 709.72 Oh, like overlap between what you said? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 709.72 711.31 Oh well, for all you know that that'll happen. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 729.81 732.42 Mm hard to know what where your role ends, yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 738.41 738.76 Okay. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 739.27 740.11 Um function F. eight. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 740.41 742.44 Uh pr yeah, press function and F. eight, yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 742.94 743.33 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 745.7 746.61 Alright. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 746.61 747.81 So 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 751.7 752.22 F. eight? 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 752.5 754.14 Function, the blue button. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 756.03 757.2 You have to push it together. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 755.54 756.03 Yeah. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 754.14 755.54 Next to the control on the left. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 755.13 756.05 Oh, and F. eight. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 756.05 757.06 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 755.57 755.92 Mm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 757.72 758.02 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 758.89 758.99 Yep. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 764.7 766.38 Okay, I think that that's doing it now. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 770.6 771.28 Try that again. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 769.85 770.6 Nope. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 772.91 773.55 Uh, again? 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 773.51 775.34 Think maybe the the wire in the back might be loose. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 774 774.12 Wait. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 775.59 775.89 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 776.24 777.18 Yeah, you wanna 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 778.28 780.4 Um, okay great. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 778.63 779.97 Oh oh here we go. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 779.97 780.57 There you go. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 779.42 780.05 Yep, there we go. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 796.69 799.65 what should we decide and do you know what I mean, so. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 782.46 783.04 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 793.23 796.69 And then kind of lead us in the direction of deciding, 'kay what what are our options,
ES2002b H03 MEE008 783.04 793.23 Just um Before I bring this up what I'll just say is um what I've what I've done is tried to collect some information so that I can then relay this to to you guys so that it's now becomes a collective thing. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 801.44 803.35 Increase that 'cause we can't see the 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 801.65 801.96 Um 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 803.33 803.82 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 805.5 805.94 Okay. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 806.87 807.41 That's much better. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 807.84 808.17 Right. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 810.78 811.53 Can you um 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 813.94 814.27 There you go. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 814.06 814.93 Right, okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 814.96 816.26 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 816.64 817.16 That would be 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 816.26 816.64 Alright. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 818.35 820.34 So um does that make sense? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 834.1 836.7 'Cause certainly there's lots of different information to go through. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 842.59 848.32 and w you know, what they want and what are issues with with um existing products. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 848.32 855.44 Uh to think about trends and also about try and connect that as you see with the company vision which is about fashion in electronics. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 817.6 818.35 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 855.44 860.84 Um and then, as I say uh w we'd like to prioritise our design features from this and um 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 820.34 834.1 So what I basically got is I just looked into some information and sort of th tried to think about how how we could review it and how we could and what kind of decisions we could take away from it and then maybe by the end of just looking at some of these things we can think about what are our priorities. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 836.7 842.59 So um I'm thinking here about uh primarily about customer needs, that we start with the customer,
ES2002b H00 MEE006 863.23 864.83 Bouncing on top. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 893.06 895.47 Okay I'm gonna we'll look at that in a second. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 905 912.04 they tend to use the most simple controls and overall they find remote controls to be something they don't doesn't really appeal to them. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 895.47 900.87 Um most people use only a f a very slim portion of all the controls. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 878.77 880.54 Most people find them ugly. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 872.59 877.37 Um, users dislike the look and feel of current remote controls. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 886.18 893.06 the vast majority would spend more money for um slightly more intuitive control, such as voice recognition. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 865.26 866.36 Um. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 864.46 865.26 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 880.54 886.18 Um the vast majority would spend more money for it to look fancy as well, we'll see later,
ES2002b H03 MEE008 900.87 905 So I guess what we're looking at here is people want this h technology 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 863.84 864.46 Dunno. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 866.36 872.59 So this is what I've found here, um a lot of this is new to me, so we'll just read through together. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 877.37 878.77 So they find them ugly. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 864.53 864.85 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 891.53 891.95 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 912.23 912.6 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 946.66 950.52 so d it doesn't just look like a big panel, kinda like when you you look at,
ES2002b H03 MEE008 950.52 953.79 you know, a new computer keyboard, or something that is quite explanatory. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 938.47 941.55 Um, takes time to learn how to use them. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 919.71 924.09 you know, one is that we want uh something that's high-tech but we want it to seem easy. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 957.45 958.04 Um 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 912.57 919.71 So I think what we're doing is we're trying to take like if for me this is sorta like three different different um inspirations,
ES2002b H03 MEE008 935.64 938.47 They get lost a lot, s as it came up in our last meeting. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 931.96 935.64 Um, frustrations. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 941.55 946.66 This is uh why I mention when Craig was uh showing us some ideas that we actually try and group controls,
ES2002b H03 MEE008 924.09 931.96 And in spite of the primitive side of it and the very high-tech side, we want it to just be an appealing piece of equipment in people's hands. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 953.79 957.45 If you want audio, if you want visual, then you have those. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 960.18 962.81 and I will admit I don't know what R. S. I. stands for. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 962.27 963.49 Repetitive strain injury. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 964.8 967.86 Is installing a new remote control something that people 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 967.96 970.98 Uh, no, that did not come up at all. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 991.34 993.16 Um. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 970.98 977.17 Um so here here is another um sort of a a review here of the main things. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 977.17 982.54 I also found that most people would uh adults at least would pay more for voice recognition. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 982.54 987.19 Now apparently we do have access to all the tech cutting edge technology in remote control. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 987.19 991.34 So I dunno if that's possible we might consider getting into it. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1000.91 1007.4 I think a recurring theme here is the company wants it to be wants us to make something that's fashionable and sleek and trendy. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1021.44 1023.37 You know, they like the aesthetics and the ergonomics. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1007.4 1012.94 Um people uh additionally aren't aren't liking the appearance of their products 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 993.26 1000.91 And and again here as we sort of move m sort of thin start thinking about how we wanna sell and market this 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1012.94 1021.44 so we wanna think about as we take all the sort of the techie features how we can um put that into a unit which is which people like. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1006.11 1006.51 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1021.65 1023.45 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1028.18 1028.6 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1023.45 1028.18 So want something that looks good and is easy to use, big priorities. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1055.93 1061.6 but they have little panels where you click and there's just like tons of features you go through. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1041.82 1048.75 So if we do say well we want there to be all the technology will we try and make that almost be like optional technology. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1052.33 1055.93 something really like about 'em is if you wanna just turn 'em on and off you can 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1027.05 1028.15 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1028.43 1041.82 so you know just c looking at what what Craig um Craig's i uh ideas are s sorta tell me that maybe what we wanna do is try and um separate the different things that we wanna include in this. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1028.15 1028.43 Yeah 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1048.75 1052.33 You know, it's like like I find a lot of T. V. s these days 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1057.47 1057.9 Mm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1065.46 1066.73 That's I think it's a good idea. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1060.15 1065.46 So it you wanna group all the different kind of types of functions together, you know. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1062.2 1063.38 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1075.05 1077.41 well how do we collectively move on with it. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1081.56 1089.3 although my sense is that what we should try and think about is what are the current trends in materials and shapes and styles, and then use that. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1066.58 1075.05 That's s that's sort of the um But I I'm my hope here is that I'm putting out this information so that we can then say okay 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1077.41 1081.56 Um I I haven't brought out one specific marketing idea,
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1065.96 1066.58 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1089.3 1092.69 But not let that confine us technologically. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1076.57 1076.99 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1077.69 1078.17 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1087.03 1087.64 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1093.29 1094.66 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1094.66 1095.43 Right. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1093.81 1094.05 So 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1095.46 1096.23 Alright? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1096.23 1098.85 Any um comments on all of that? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1108.58 1114.78 Um, so if we want something that that looks good and is easy to use,
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1120.29 1121.49 I mean 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1107.28 1108.58 our target market. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1114.78 1120.29 but has y is fairly powerful product, whatever, who do we really want to aim that at? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1099.51 1107.28 Well, um one of the things that we have to decide on by the end of the meeting is who we're gonna be um who's our our target audience 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1100.53 1101.31 That's uh 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1108.15 1108.43 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1119.46 1119.82 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1121.15 1122.83 Where's the money, maybe. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1133.68 1139.51 But you want it's somebody who's not gonna just use the remote that comes with their telly, I suppose, they're gonna actually go out and buy one. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1139.51 1141.39 So, who do you think we're aiming this at? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1122.65 1125.48 Yeah, who wou who would have the money to spend. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1130.93 1133.68 well I don't I'm not really sure how much that will retail at. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1125.48 1130.93 Well i if if like twenty five Euro is our is our selling price then you can imagine 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1125.39 1126.29 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1126.29 1127.28 And who watches T. V. . 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1129.58 1129.92 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1132.55 1132.95 Mm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1139.26 1139.56 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1137.5 1139.26 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1142.73 1147.29 Um, I think it'll be the mid range to the high end market, in terms of people. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1147.29 1152.24 'Cause twenty five Euros for a remote, how much is that lo locally in pounds? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1151.45 1153.9 It's about sixteen, seventeen pounds, I think. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1167.94 1172.46 I dunno I guess you pay, what, ten ten quid for a remote? 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1165.95 1167.38 Kind of. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1153.79 1158.31 Is that too is that a lot of money to buy an extra remote or a replacement remote? 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1173.77 1178.41 I mean if you lost your remote and the first thing you just wanna go out and get, would you how much would you pay? 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1172.46 1173.77 Like a simple replacement, right. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1167.38 1167.94 You know how much? 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1159.09 1165.95 Um so maybe not the high end range, but maybe middle, middle up-ish. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1158.31 1159.09 Right. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1156.76 1158.83 Yeah, okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1157.58 1157.95 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1165.61 1166.11 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1168.77 1169.26 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1173.34 1173.85 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1175.47 1177.01 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1176.04 1177.08 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1179.39 1186.25 These are the age groups which we have information on and these are this is a table of h what people would pay more for a certain feature. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1186.25 1191.69 Just gives us a rough idea of where the w the will to spend money on T. V. equipment is. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1191.69 1194.11 Mostly focused around the twenty five age group. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1177.08 1179.39 This this kinda touches on your comments there, David. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1180.75 1180.92 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1186.39 1187 Okay 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1191.65 1192.43 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1194.58 1197.56 Yeah, so do you think we're we're aiming at a fairly young market then? 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1198.33 1198.56 Yep. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1200.67 1201.07 Mm-hmm 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1198.74 1200.67 Sort of young professional, kind of. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1200.07 1201.58 Yeah, okay. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 1201.13 1201.74 Um 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1202.27 1208.34 Um do you think then uh voice recognition is something we should really seriously consider? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1210.6 1211.78 What what do you think, Craig? 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 1216.36 1217.24 Sort of the the older group. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 1211.92 1216.36 Well, did you not say it was the the adults that were going for the the voice recognition? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1216.64 1217.98 Uh, yeah, it's the 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1219.88 1224.34 It does it does fit with the market that we're sort of identifying, in terms of 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1218.89 1219.88 Yep. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 1219.73 1219.92 Uh f 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1222.61 1223.27 N yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1230.6 1233.97 there needs to be some kind of selling point to it. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1233.97 1239.88 So um anybody anything there to add Just kind of young professionals,
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1247.39 1250.14 So we could say that was our target. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1239.88 1247.39 uh th like if we are going to include speech recognition, it's kind of between fifteen and thirty five seems to be like a really high response to that. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1224.57 1230.6 I think we are gonna have to narrow it down, to say let's target these people and give them what they want and 'cause you know 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1227.5 1227.83 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1229.08 1229.54 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1230.07 1230.41 Sure. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1232.07 1232.42 Sure. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1233.64 1233.89 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1247.05 1247.45 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1249.13 1258.05 I I think twenty five to thirty five is is is fair to add that in as a group as well because that's more than half your group of people who are willing to at least try and use your technology. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1253.14 1253.67 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1254.11 1254.33 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1253.26 1254.11 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1256.89 1258.14 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1258.5 1261.78 Okay, so fifteen to thirty five, look fairly young. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1257.6 1258.5 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1261.78 1265.14 You know, they have bit of expendable income to spend on this sort of thing. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1261.65 1261.91 Yeah. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1261.69 1261.93 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1264.93 1265.16 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1291.48 1295.4 when you go on to their working lives, people who would you know regular Yeah. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1277.89 1286.3 but people who are about forty-ish and above now would not be so dependent and reliant on a computer or a mobile phone or something like that. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1269.9 1273.96 who are familiar with their with computers in in their everyday work. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1265.08 1269.9 I think perhaps that age group is significant as well because those are people who use the computer 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1287.8 1291.48 People who are u growing up used to, you know in schools and in universities,
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1286.3 1287.8 So these are people who are gadgety, right? 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1296.6 1297.07 Mm. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1295.4 1296.6 Yeah. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1273.96 1277.89 I think people who are maybe about I wouldn't say thirty five 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1269.22 1269.5 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1273.31 1273.77 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1273.81 1274.15 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1276.16 1276.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1278.47 1278.71 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1280.33 1280.58 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1281.7 1282.29 But yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1283.7 1284.49 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1284.31 1286.17 Yeah, sure. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1286.17 1286.45 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1286.05 1286.62 So 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1287.94 1288.47 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1293.83 1296.33 So they'll not sh not shy away from something quite high-tech. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1298.16 1308.35 Um okay, so um so shall we make the decision uh to include speech recognition if we can. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1292.94 1293.83 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1296.33 1298.16 That that's that's a good point. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1296.24 1296.48 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1307.1 1307.76 If we can. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1313.94 1319.16 because um, based on what you've go y everybody's saying, right, you want something simple. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1319.16 1322.34 You want basic stuff and you want something that's easy to use. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1307.99 1313.94 I I think one thing we should try not to avoid is not to say we have to use speech recognition right now,
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1322.34 1326.04 Speech recognition might not be the simplest thing for somebody to use. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 1308.31 1308.51 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1313.39 1313.59 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1314.15 1314.65 Why is that? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1313.45 1314.15 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1324.25 1324.67 Right. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1325.08 1325.52 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1327.87 1330.61 Like if you want it on Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1325.9 1327.87 Could it be an on off thing? 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1333.53 1338.62 rather than focusing on on exactly what are the features that we're gonna say, and then,
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1349.15 1352.94 but at end of the day we don't look at the technology, but we look at the function first. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1327.84 1333.53 Um, but what I'm saying is that we're we're trying to lock ourselves into a s particular kind of technology,
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1338.62 1343.33 you know, say speech recognition is good for this, speech recognition is not good for this. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1343.33 1349.15 So maybe we should I suggest that we think about speech recognition, anyway it's a it's something that can be used to fulfil a function,
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1328.97 1330.41 Where you can activate it and deactivate it? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1333.22 1333.65 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1333.41 1333.68 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1339.03 1339.37 Sure. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1337.31 1339.03 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1337.78 1338.16 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1342.9 1344.23 Sure. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1344.23 1344.46 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1343.42 1344.05 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1345.82 1347.26 Sure. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1349.26 1349.65 Uh-huh. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1351.67 1351.95 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1373.72 1379.68 that's appealing to people um maybe with a physical disability as well. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1367.77 1373.72 Oh it's something that's just occurred to me as well is if we make it um speech reco if we incorporate speech recognition 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1354.8 1362.49 well do you wanna um give us your presentation and then then we can I don't know um might have been a good idea to all deliver our presentations and then discuss,
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1362.49 1367.77 but this is this is how we're Yeah, exactly, yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1353.15 1354.16 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1379.68 1380.23 Um. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1354.16 1354.8 Uh okay 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1354.08 1354.27 Yep. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1353.21 1354.08 Sure. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1357.33 1357.74 Okay, sure. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1358.51 1358.75 Yep. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1362.35 1367.21 Yeah, it's good well it's good to get ideas out while they're fresh in mind. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1367.21 1367.71 Um 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1376.17 1376.89 Not 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1389.49 1396.7 like we're kind of what we're b sort of getting in into here is mating different uh design features together that they 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1379.25 1380.08 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1380.08 1381.24 And not losing. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1381.24 1389.49 And also it helps in terms of people not losing this, you know they they're saying oh it's I lose it in the couch. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1384.84 1385.79 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1388.53 1389.01 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1395.25 1395.83 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 1405.84 1406.66 Channel up. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 1396.86 1403.75 I reckon one problem with speech recognition is um I've actually seen one of them used and uh the technology that was in that one wasn't particularly amazing 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 1403.75 1405.84 so you end up yelling at the control for hours. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1405.58 1406.09 Really? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1406.61 1407.73 Oh really, you've seen one before. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1405.68 1406.61 Right. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1407.56 1413.73 Do you think maybe we need like further advances in that kind of area until it's worthwhile incorporating it though? 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 1409.5 1410.45 Um 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 1412.98 1415.61 I think it'd probably quite expensive to put in. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1415.98 1416.47 Thanks. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1414.22 1415.98 Sorry, do you mind passing me my notepad. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1414.88 1415.57 Mm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1415.57 1417.74 Course not. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1417.74 1418.19 There you go. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1449.16 1455.56 Has to change channels, has to change volume, but in like specifics, right, which one of the basics are you trying to target. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1428.71 1434.16 Um I guess I try to define like what we're doing now, try to define what we're trying to get done. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1468.9 1472.54 so, you know, things that to start everything going. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1422.06 1425.79 Well this is just the working design um. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1417.41 1419.3 Cool, um. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1425.79 1428.71 Well this is just what how I would go about it. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1455.56 1459.9 Um are there certain parts of the basics that are more important or less important than the basics? 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1419.3 1419.43 Okay. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1419.43 1422.06 Um. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1437.18 1444.05 We've used it, we're familiar with it, but we're we can't n we haven't narrowed down um exactly what the things we're trying to fulfil,
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1434.16 1437.18 Um I think in a practical way, we kind of know what it is. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1444.05 1449.16 like Besides the basics, I think back in the back of our minds we know what the basics are. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1472.54 1476.09 But I guess everybody does have some idea, so I don't think um there's a need for that. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1459.9 1468.9 Um and I just the idea is just to get everybody to um I usually have a have have a design that's there as a basic,
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1421.25 1421.45 Right. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1424.05 1424.7 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1434.23 1434.62 Right. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1455.32 1455.61 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1514.55 1516.58 Like for example, voice recognition, right. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1495.88 1498.27 'Kay, a battery or something, to keep it going. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1523.71 1524.26 Um 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1505.13 1514.55 Um it ties you down perhaps a bit later on in terms of the technologies um how far you can transmit the signal or the complexity of the functions that you want. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1498.27 1505.13 Um and that power source is important because it ties you down to um how long the device will last. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1483.34 1488 It just explains how the process goes through, from a from the basic technology point of view 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1492.49 1495.88 Um okay, you need some power source. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1516.58 1523.71 That might be constrained because that you might need to power a microphone, you might need to power other things, so that's one perhaps constraint there. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1477.09 1483.34 Um okay this finding things is a little bit confusing, so I'll go into the diagram first. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1488 1492.49 the basic steps that you need um in the diagram and in this slide probably works better. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1485.57 1486.07 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1496.79 1497.26 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1504.72 1505.07 Uh-huh. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1513.32 1513.82 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1552.64 1557.86 Um and then it needs to be able to send the signal out to the device itself which is the receiver here. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1525.03 1535.1 Th Okay, the basic thing is there's a user interface where people punch a button or talk into it or smile to it or blink their eyes, whatever. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1562.87 1571 It's fairly general, um and I guess the purpose of this is also not to restrict you in in the way you're thinking, like um voice recognition,
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1550.01 1552.64 So maybe button A. is the power button, okay. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1591.73 1594.37 I think that's more relevant to a discussion? 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1538.85 1544.87 um uh a logic a series of logic has to decide what the user is telling the device,
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1557.86 1562.87 Um and I think that's about it in terms of my design um. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1586.51 1591.73 Um so I guess the rest of it I think we should maybe you you wanna go back to what the functions are? 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1578.28 1586.51 So it's not really a constraint in that sense, but I mean these are functionally, you know, the base, what the technology has to do. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1544.87 1550.01 and the device has to r you know, based on you push button A., so I will do something with button A. . 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1571 1578.28 right, um, if it's something which is important then we just add more power rather than having a thing that we don't have enough power. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1535.1 1538.85 You know, and that um picks up an input from a user 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1534.28 1534.44 Hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1550.55 1551.15 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1551.87 1552.17 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1567.66 1568.08 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1578.57 1579.01 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1579.71 1580 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1583.23 1583.99 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1583.99 1584.32 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1585.85 1586.38 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1586.09 1586.38 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1592.93 1593.1 'Kay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1593.03 1594.55 Uh. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1598.31 1599.25 Are you are you all done? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1594.55 1598.31 Well, do you wan do you wanna finish up your your whole presentation then? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1595.83 1596.09 Sure. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1594.89 1595.83 Sure. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1600.64 1605 Ps Oh, it's just putting the rest of it into words, but it's essentially the same thing. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1598.84 1599.6 More or less. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1599.6 1600.64 Yeah. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1597.37 1598.84 Yeah, w I'm done. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1605 1610.81 Um you have a transmitter, an input device, logic chip, you know, stuff like that. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1610.81 1611.27 Um 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1603.91 1604.13 Yep. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1604.44 1604.93 Mm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1607.57 1608.03 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1609.68 1610.84 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1610.84 1611.28 Right. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1609.76 1610.02 Right. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1610.87 1618.46 And like on the means b Since we're on the topic of the technology, uh are there any like what are our options? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1618.46 1625.52 Alright, what's what i in Is this the only way that we go about it, or are there other thin 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1612.86 1613.65 I guess this would be 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1615.23 1615.37 Yep. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1632.63 1638.59 For example, if you needed um if you needed to add uh a voice recognition, right,
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1627.27 1632.63 This is just um a basic principles and basic components that are needed. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1646.31 1646.6 Uh 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1623.71 1627.27 Um, these these aren't technology options in that sense. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1638.59 1646.31 then your user interface would be split, broken down into more components, right, which you have a microphone, the V. R. and stuff like that. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1627.22 1627.44 Right. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1628.48 1629.68 The basic principle of 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1629.68 1630.25 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1630.97 1631.12 'Kay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1632.25 1632.45 Right. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1632.43 1632.88 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1640.91 1642.02 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1642 1642.43 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1644.23 1645.54 Oh. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1648.23 1648.66 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1645.54 1648.23 So this just show how we're kind of modularising the whole thing. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1644.65 1645.02 Okay. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1684.13 1684.67 Right. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1648.68 1654.7 So each component represents one function, but I think the basic functions are the logic, the transmitter,
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1665.48 1674.25 Um there might be one other consideration which would be that the the transmission between the remote control and the T. V. for example. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1680.47 1684.13 Because that's something you need to actually be physically be pointing to. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1660.06 1665.48 Um and those are things that based on what your user interface requires then we'll add more functionality to it. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1647.65 1648.34 Yep. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1674.25 1680.47 Okay, um are we gonna restrict ourselves to using the traditional technologies of infra-red thing? 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1654.7 1660.06 um and the receiver, okay, and the power are things that you won't have to care about. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1648.34 1648.68 Yep. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1651.19 1651.61 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1655.96 1656.21 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1659.55 1659.86 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1659.9 1660.32 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1663.61 1664.01 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1665.34 1665.77 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1673.86 1674.31 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1674.12 1674.98 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1679.87 1680.3 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1693.62 1706.57 so I th suspect it might be a good idea just to restrict our kind of our creative influence on this on the user interface and not worry so much about uh how we transmit it um because I mean it it's tried and tested intra-red 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1684.95 1693.62 Well well a worry that was was expressed in the new requirements was that if we made this too complex it would e it would effect um how long how long it took us to get this to market 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1706.57 1708.05 so we could stay with tha 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1683.49 1684.95 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1683.56 1683.78 Right. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1703.69 1703.95 Yep. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1713.13 1718.07 Um if somebody's gonna h talk to the device, you ideally want them to hold it to them. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1728.38 1734.96 Then you need to send the signal out, so because if you're using infra-red, the line of sight um say the T. V. 's at that chair,
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1707.23 1713.13 There might be one other problem with the transmission, um in particular right now, since we're talking about voice recognition. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1738.57 1744.49 So in that sense, there's not really a restriction but it's something which you may have to think about later on in the process. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1723.41 1728.38 you know, to hold it, to signal to the user, and push a button maybe to start s talking about it. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1744.49 1745.94 Not so much further down. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1718.07 1723.41 I it you may not require that, but you know, um it's it's it's something very natural, I guess,
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1734.96 1738.57 and I'm standing in front of here and the transmitter is here, it blocks it. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1715.9 1716.18 Mm-hmm 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1717.68 1718.63 Oh, yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1718.21 1718.46 Right. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1719.83 1720.13 Right. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1723.07 1725.32 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1727.69 1728.17 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1729.8 1730.21 Mm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1732.39 1732.8 Mm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1736.91 1737.27 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1738.36 1738.77 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1741.87 1742.1 Right. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1744.33 1744.6 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1744.94 1745.41 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1758.16 1762.02 so that the one controller can control several pieces of equipment? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1745.56 1748.25 And um just a clarification before we finish this. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1748.25 1758.16 Uh does c is our controller is it have the option of being um on a standard uh frequency as all of the other equipment 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1759.46 1768.95 There's there's not much specific specific information, but I think that um one indication of infra-red mean that you're just targeting traditional devices. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1768.95 1770.64 Because infra-red is something which everybody has. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1762.39 1762.51 W 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1769.13 1776.85 W Well well we've um In the new requirement spec they said just to focus on the T. V., so that's what we should do for now I think. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1784.86 1790.35 I mean is that something we really want to go into, do you think, or should we just consider running on regular batteries? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1776.85 1778.73 Something I was wondering about was the power. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1768.6 1769.13 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1778.73 1784.86 Um, is it worth considering like having like a charging unit as opposed to just regular batteries? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1768.81 1769.13 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1774.07 1775.27 Just to T. V., okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1776.59 1776.85 Okay. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1817.31 1822.43 then I don't think rechargeable is something we should you know, we really need to care about. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1810.75 1817.31 But unless the controller's gonna consume a lot of batteries, like he's gonna run through like twenty batteries a month,
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1798.86 1802.31 You need a docking cradle, for example, for you to put it in to charge. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1793.21 1798.86 and you add cost to it, um and then there's probably the fact that you need another physical component. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1787.93 1793.21 There's a there's Okay, from from a from a component point of view there's added complexity,
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1802.31 1804.93 Or you need to get the user to plug it in. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1804.93 1810.75 Um and most users are very f use already used to the idea of buying batteries and putting it into the controller. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1822.43 1822.89 Um. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1792.98 1793.33 Uh-huh. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1794.37 1794.72 Uh-huh. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1800.79 1801.13 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1799.97 1800.79 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1800.41 1800.89 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1802.3 1802.78 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1804.93 1805.84 Okay, so 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1810.07 1810.5 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1816.13 1816.68 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1819.94 1820.15 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1820.02 1822.44 Okay, so just stick to to regular 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1822.98 1823.72 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1843.42 1854.36 So um just to recap on Are we all happy about the idea of um aiming the product at um the fifteen to thirty five bracket? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1824.34 1827.66 Um, right. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1827.66 1834.21 So basically the um I'm just gonna just recap uh what I said at the start,
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1834.21 1843.42 was that um the the whole point of this meeting was to f absolutely finalise who we're gonna aim this at, and what exactly the product's gonna do. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1860.32 1862.09 Do you wanna recap on that, Craig? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1854.36 1860.32 Um and also the funct the the actual functions of what it's gonna do. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1841.22 1841.52 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1843.35 1843.58 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1854.19 1855.17 Yeah, that's good. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 1867.65 1872.73 Um on off, up and down channels, up and down volume and uh skip to a channel. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 1863.22 1864.6 Um. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 1864.6 1867.65 I think we just say that it was gonna be the the most basic stuff possible. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1874.46 1875.73 Okay, right. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 1874.82 1874.88 Ta. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1875.07 1880.95 And is it going to include any of the uh the more advanced features, or are we gonna eliminate those? 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 1880.68 1887.2 Um I think we include mute, but apart from that um I think we just we'll go for the simpleness. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1887.59 1888.19 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1888.19 1895.83 R is it is it is it s is it not an option still that we include some things just as a sort of under like sort of under a door or some 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1887.77 1888.19 Okay. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1888.18 1888.74 Okay, I think 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1894.97 1897.57 Yeah, it's as optional functions. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 1895.1 1895.31 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1897 1910.4 'Cause what what I'm I'd be a bit worried about is if someone was h had previously developed habits of expecting to control surround sound or this and that with their controller and then and then they,
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1914.3 1915.27 I dunno if that'd be a problem. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1910.4 1914.3 you know, w they get ours and w it's doesn't have that. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1914.34 1916.41 Okay. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1949.66 1954.8 I mean like so what we could have is like three buckets, right, where we could throw things into, like if we want this feature,
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1959.55 1961.85 I mean it might help with the visualisation. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1961.85 1964.89 And it would actually help with the component build as well. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1925.02 1930.28 One would be audio controls, one would be video controls, and the other one would be a device. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1920.36 1925.02 Um maybe I could suggest we we break them down into three simple categories. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1916.61 1920.36 Another thing that you were saying about categorising the controls? 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1946.12 1949.66 um it's something they do other things to like turn it on and turn it off. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1954.8 1959.55 let's throw it into there, and then from there decide whether it's basic, or it's non-basic. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1930.28 1939.69 Um this may not map very well to advanced functionality especially, but I think that um from a manufacturer's point of view, from a person designing the device,
ES2002b H00 MEE006 1939.69 1946.12 but I think from a point of view of a person using the device, you know a T. V. is something they see and something they hear 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1919.93 1920.36 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1924.55 1924.94 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1924.94 1925.34 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1926.4 1926.95 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1928.43 1928.77 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1937.6 1937.85 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1945.48 1945.88 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1949.52 1949.96 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1950.52 1950.74 Right. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1955.87 1956.15 Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1959.08 1959.65 'Kay, okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1959.65 1960.42 Like that. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1961.08 1961.41 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1965.25 1966.43 Mm okay, great. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1964.53 1965.25 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1965.13 1967.54 Okay, right. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2025.05 2025.61 Andrew? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2001 2007.49 Um User Interface Designer gonna be thinking about our user interface, and marketing you're gonna be thinking about trend watching. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2021.1 2023.42 Anything else to say at all? 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1993.87 2001 um for uh our Industrial Designer, you're gonna be thinking about the components concept. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2023.42 2025.05 No, okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1979.36 1985.6 Um so I'll be putting the minutes of this uh this meeting into the project documents folder. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2010.27 2018.37 So um I dunno, just just to to ask now if you've got anything else you've thought about while we've been talking. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1973.72 1974.01 Whoohoo. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2018.37 2021.1 Um, do you wanna start with David. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2007.49 2010.27 Um and you'll all get specific instructions as well. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1985.6 1993.87 Um so uh I guess just to just to confirm that we know what we're doing in the next well in the thirty minutes after lunch anyway,
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1967.54 1971.92 Um, okay well I gotta kind of got five minutes to wrap up now. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1971.92 1973.72 Um next thing we're doing is having lunch. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 1974.01 1979.36 Um and then we're gonna have thirty minutes of working on the next stage. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1985.41 1985.74 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 1991.56 1991.82 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2022.75 2023.8 Mm no, not really. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2043.28 2044.32 Okay, great. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2035.75 2042.04 where we think of these three sort of buckets and anything anything we discuss about them is sort of, okay, we're talking about this. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2024.85 2028.14 Um yeah, just I just wanted to ask then before we wrap up 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2042.04 2043.28 Shall we do that, then? 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2028.14 2035.75 shall we agree for sake of um sort of clarity and when we when we r resume that we'll u use this idea David's proposed,
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2037.78 2039.91 Yeah, yeah I think that's definitely a good idea. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2042.79 2043.2 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2041.93 2042.79 Uh-huh. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2042.23 2042.46 Mm. 
ES2002b H02 MEE007 2044.56 2048.39 Um just about the three buckets, um what would go in the the device functions one? 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2085.05 2085.6 We put it out. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2066.87 2068.69 Not on off video. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2082.19 2085.05 Device is basically anything which we can't categorise, right. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2068.69 2071.15 Although you don't turn off the video on your T. V. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2071.15 2075.51 but um you might wanna you know turn off the sound, say you wanna pick up the phone, there's a mute button, right 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2048.61 2050.79 Um things like on off. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2050.79 2053.44 Because they don't have anything to do with what you see. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2062.15 2066.87 Because the on off also goes, you know, like on off like power, not on off sound. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2053.44 2062.15 I me mean in terms of picture and the entertainment value, you know, um so um And channel. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2075.51 2082.19 so you you have you have a choice of putting it on to um others or a device. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2053.06 2053.67 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2058.21 2058.71 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2060.19 2060.9 And and channel. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2061.88 2062.17 Right. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2066.87 2067.32 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2072.05 2072.5 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2075.6 2076.09 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2084.83 2092.96 Okay, so you're gonna have um audio which is gonna be like you know your bass settings and actual volume hi Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2089.98 2090.27 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2092.54 2094.11 You you put that into audio. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2094.11 2098.17 And then video is anything that you can see. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2090.54 2092.54 Yeah, anything to do with what you hear, right. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2098.17 2098.67 Um. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2092.41 2092.66 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2093.92 2095.84 Okay, and then visual 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2094.05 2094.32 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2097.44 2097.69 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2102.55 2106.98 like what channel you're watching, turning on an off, stuff like that. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2097.53 2102.55 Okay, so brightness, contrast, things like that, and then just actual device things,
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2106.98 2108.78 Okay, um 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2099.81 2100.08 Yep. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2100.44 2100.98 Colour, yeah. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2102.38 2102.57 Yep. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2103.11 2103.38 Sure. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2104.26 2104.59 Sure. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2105.1 2105.28 Yep. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2105.63 2105.94 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2108.23 2118.65 And then k I suppose quite likely what would happen is in the d device category there might be some which are just like the habitual standard and then others which are maybe a bit more Yeah. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2118.65 2120.35 Sure, okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2120.35 2120.8 Okay. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2120.46 2125.62 Um even even if it doesn't map very clearly what happens is that people at least have some in their mind. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2116.34 2120.46 Like random which we have no other place to put, but we need it somewhere there. 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2125.62 2126.53 It's easy to use 
ES2002b H00 MEE006 2126.53 2134.66 I think that's one thing that um and I guess from the component point of view it's easy to build as well 'cause things are like fixed. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2116.35 2116.81 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2118.61 2119.09 Yeah. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2120.3 2120.8 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2130.73 2131.32 Okay. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2133.88 2134.23 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2139.44 2142.96 because of who we're we're, you know, targeting this at. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2150.51 2154.17 Um, so I guess I guess that's it. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2135.12 2139.44 Um so yeah, I guess just things to think about are you know like the fact it's gotta look good,
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2142.96 2145.71 Um something maybe kind of quirky in design maybe. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2145.71 2150.51 Make it kind of ergonomic kind of to hold, you know, things like that. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2154.17 2155.71 That's the meeting over. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2133.88 2135.12 Okay. 
ES2002b H01 FEE005 2155.71 2156.19 Whoohoo. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2145.65 2145.94 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2148.13 2148.42 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2154.1 2154.42 Great. 
ES2002b H03 MEE008 2162.6 2165.82 Then we get to go find out what was picked up for lunch for us. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 0.02 8.77 'S to do now is to decide how to fulfil what your stuff is, so in that sense so it does kind of make sense, yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 0.64 0.91 Yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 4.42 5.16 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 13.62 15.12 Everything I have is kinda background. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 6.95 13.62 It kinda does make sense, doesn't it, because when we get into the end of meeting we're kind of talking about action and design as opposed to background. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 5.03 6.95 Yeah, sure. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 6.49 7.71 Okay, well 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 12.79 13.15 Yep. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 13.07 13.56 Okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 16.51 20.64 Well how um on the in this meeting then if we um 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 15.08 16.51 Okay we all ready to go? 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 16.5 16.59 Yep. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 22 25.59 I'll just just recap on the minutes from the last meeting. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 25.59 28.91 And we uh decided on 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 29.39 30.16 Yep. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 47.59 53.25 And I told you guys about the three new requirements about ignoring teletext, ignoring everything except the T. V. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 39.04 47.59 that we're gonna group our audio-visual and other functions into into those categories, um. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 30.29 39.04 decided on our our target group being fifteen to thirty five, and we decided that it was gonna be non-rechargeable battery-powered,
ES2002c H01 FEE005 53.25 57.51 and trying to incorporate the the uh corporate colour and slogan. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 34.09 34.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 60.98 62.37 Is there anything have I forgotten anything? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 58.07 60.98 Um so that was the last meeting. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 61.13 61.54 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 63.05 63.25 No. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 63.72 65.22 Uh that sounds. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 84.25 91.34 Um and then after that we'll have to make some decisions about stuff, right. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 75.18 76.88 That might be a better idea this time. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 65.38 72.48 Um so if we have the three presentations, and then if you have anything to kind of that you know you're gonna want to discuss,
ES2002c H01 FEE005 91.34 93.71 So if you wanna take this. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 64.47 65.38 Okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 64 64.47 Is that everything? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 76.88 84.25 And so if we start off uh with Andrew and then Craig and then David, if that's alright. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 72.48 75.18 maybe just make a note of it, and we'll have all the discussion at the end. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 75.31 75.83 Sure. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 77.19 77.53 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 83.11 83.55 Sure. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 84.29 84.44 Yep. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 89.19 90.54 Yeah, cool. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 91.57 93.1 Why don't I get that? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 94.54 94.72 Hmm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 100.73 101.99 Screwed in quite tightly. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 116.45 117.11 Right. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 110.61 116.45 We did we say we were gonna try maybe incorporate it but we hadn't made a definite decision on that? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 108.02 110.61 Uh what did uh how did we leave it with speech recognition now? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 117.11 126.1 Oh I should also point out that um the you know the kind of final objective of this meeting is to reach a decision on the concepts of the product. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 126.1 130.44 So um that's kind of the end result hopefully. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 114.76 114.98 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 125.42 126.33 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 132.04 132.66 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 134.29 137.44 Um alright so c is it function F. eight? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 138.87 139.44 Uh-huh. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 140.84 142.21 Hopefully appear in a wee second. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 140.86 141.25 Hmm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 144.55 146.47 Come on. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 146.47 147.25 I think it's working. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 147.68 148.33 Up there we go. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 148.57 152.38 Okay great s so let me just start this. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 157.59 160.33 So um uh s move on. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 156.63 157.59 Okay great. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 166.73 170.08 Okay lemme just see where I can find it. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 161.63 165.29 Uh-huh oh where'd it all go? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 165.29 166.73 It's not good. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 165.18 166.66 Oh no. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 179.59 180.79 This looks more like it. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 182.46 183.96 I think I just opened up the template. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 186.86 189.44 Okay so this was the method that um I've taken. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 184.76 186.86 Okay alright so let's have a look here. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 192.4 198.37 is I want to show you all the background information I have that I think we need to acknowledge if we want this to be successful. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 183.96 184.76 Sorry about that. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 189.44 192.4 Uh basically what I wanna do here, before we get into it uh too far 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 184.01 184.52 Oh right. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 187.05 187.89 Here we go. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 198.74 199.13 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 199.16 203.26 And uh and then sorta g go through some of the way that I've dealt with that information 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 203.26 208.54 and then sort of bring us all together into it to see sorta see how this fits in with the overall vision. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 209.14 215.05 Um so I've tried to take a whole lot of market research and summarise it for us 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 215.05 223.23 and then ide identify uh trends that are are sort of in sync and are important to our our uh p project plan that we have so far 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 223.23 234.28 and then uh initiate a kind of discussion on design options so that it sorta helps us to to narrow in on on aspects that will inform other uh other elements of the of the project. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 252.78 260.72 a fancy look and feel, okay, and not, it specified, not a functional look or or feel, uh b f f fancy. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 234.72 236.95 Does that make sense, tha that sort of strategy? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 246.67 252.78 um consumers in general, the number one thing that was found was that uh the br t television remote control,
ES2002c H03 MEE008 236.95 241.37 I thought that that will impact on the rest of what we do, so that's why I suggested we get in this. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 241.37 246.67 Okay so out of um different uh figures and ratings ob uh of people in general,
ES2002c H01 FEE005 235.53 235.92 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 235.64 235.89 Yep. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 239.91 241.14 Aye a fair point definitely. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 258.92 259.36 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 284.23 288.19 um quite user friendly while still having technology. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 276.58 284.23 Uh and third priority uh for ease of use, so again that kind of gives us a general picture of how it has to be 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 261.11 265.48 Um however, this is where we kinda have to be very, I think, creative about it. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 268.02 276.58 Okay so that tells me that we have to find a way to be innovative without a adding just unnecessary um sort of functional bits to it. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 265.48 268.02 Number two was that it be innovative. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 288.35 293.64 So it I'll just say right away as a bit of a foreshadowing into how we proceed with this in terms of m marketing 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 293.64 297.83 is that I think um what we should think about is how the um 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 298.86 307.45 about how the innovation uh contributes to the look and feel, and not so much to the functionality of it. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 312.24 319.36 or it's got something else to it that just seems innovative because obviously the thing that the message here is ease of use. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 323.5 325.82 Well that's I guess where we're gonna go with this. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 307.45 312.24 For example like when you pick it up and push it like it all lights up or something, you know what I mean, like 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 319.36 323.5 So how do you make innovation make something more more easy to use? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 325.82 330.25 Okay then there's the other aspect of the back the the market um 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 307.62 308.39 Aye right. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 313.97 314.37 Uh-huh. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 325.01 325.47 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 331.35 335.89 research I have here is on fashion style, okay, which as we've agreed is a priority. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 346.53 352.92 And when I first saw that I thought hmm, well do we want to actually try and think about this trend and how we add something to it,
ES2002c H03 MEE008 352.92 356.15 or we get right into it, or we completely steer away from it, do you know what I mean? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 335.89 346.53 Uh top European fashion trend um that I read about says there's this emerging theme of fruit and vegetables, okay, especially in clothes and furniture. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 355.89 356.8 Okay okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 360.07 368.34 but we want to think also about the fact that it sort of has to fit in with something which is not specifically electronics. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 356.72 360.07 So my my feeling is that we w do want to observe this trend 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 374.96 381.27 um so I think we might wanna be careful about how you know how quickly we create like a remote control in the shape of an apple or something 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 368.34 374.96 Um 'cause I think what we're in what we're in is partly sort of home decor, partly something like a computer 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 381.27 382.42 I think that would be pushing it. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 406.19 406.96 Um 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 395.39 401.86 So um probably a lot of the competition on the market will be still in last year's mode,
ES2002c H03 MEE008 390.66 395.39 which is which also in indicated that last year this was this was not the case. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 401.86 406.19 so if we try and really capitalise on that, I think that'll be in our favour. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 383.17 390.66 And then in terms of m material trends are for things to be soft and spongy and sort of, you might say ergonomic or or friendly to handle 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 409.6 411.46 So these this is the summary of everything. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 425.48 427.25 That was like the number three thing. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 427.25 430.91 And then at the end there are vibrant natural colours um 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 416.77 423.19 Uh innovative design technology's also a must in that it's seen it'd be seen to be uh cutting edge 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 411.46 416.77 Um style is number one uh thing in the in the market of who we're selling to. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 423.19 425.48 uh but ease of use t has to be insured throughout. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 445.72 449.43 ten gigabytes, whatever, but when you hold it in your hand there's like no buttons. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 449.43 450.57 You know what a Mac iPod is? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 440.4 445.72 Mac iPods, something which is, I'd have to say very high-tech,
ES2002c H03 MEE008 436.56 440.4 and so I've written at written at the bottom to give us sort of a context of discussion,
ES2002c H03 MEE008 432.05 436.56 that's the way I interpreted it anyway, softness in materials, shape, and function 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 441.76 442.33 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 449.57 451.32 Mm that's true, yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 456.47 466.67 so I'm thinking if we imagine that we're taking some of the features of a Mac iPod and we're then making it s more of like a more of like a comfortable type of or more of like a 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 451.04 456.47 I'm thinking however Mac iPod is sort of last year's because it's very hard and sort of glassy and glossy 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 467.53 470.48 maybe more vibrant to friendly thing to have. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 491.14 492.17 Sort of like a 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 471.6 479.43 Um and then so this is w with all that information what I'm what I'm suggesting in this slide here is that we we take these ideas 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 479.43 485.54 and as we get into more the more um techni like sort of production side of things,
ES2002c H03 MEE008 485.54 491.14 that we think about shape, materials, and themes or series that go throughout. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 494.04 501.49 I dunno like um we think of some kind of a thin theme that unifies it all, that we agree on, uh sorta like a marketing identity. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 501.49 502.28 Um 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 515.28 522.69 'cause I'm thinking that some of these ideas will seem quite coherent if we use them in terms of their what people associate this them with in terms of texture,
ES2002c H03 MEE008 522.69 524.97 shape, colours, things like that. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 505.7 511.31 So so like I threw out a few ideas there just to kinda get us thinking along those lines like lemon,
ES2002c H03 MEE008 511.31 515.28 lime, I dunno, green colours, pe whatever, it's just an idea 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 503.75 504.74 Does that make sense? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 504.74 505.7 Yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 525.35 525.8 Mm 'kay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 526.87 527.24 Great. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 526.87 535.03 Like um the ones the ones which I'm most fond of in terms of giving like a theme to it would be like um like lemon or something like that,
ES2002c H03 MEE008 535.03 540.16 you know something which is, like you see a lot in in other areas. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 540.16 545.35 Like I see lots of websites and things that seem to associate with like lemon and lime and 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 545.6 546.04 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 545.95 547.91 So anyway it's just just an idea. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 548.66 549.01 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 570.41 571.55 How can we build on that? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 562.49 570.41 Like you know just within the simple sense, when you pick up a phone and touch a button it uh lights up, q usually the buttons light up. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 549.07 562.49 I'm thinking maybe we could incorporate some of these features into a fairly um into something which is which seems to have something to it which is almost gimmicky because like um like something to do with like lighting within it. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 571.55 578.3 Maybe like it could light up in different colours or something or or people could buy the buy the control and then it comes with different like 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 563.45 564.3 Ah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 581.38 587.18 Anyway those are that's all I have, but uh hopefully we can we can revisit those ideas when we get into 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 579.96 581.38 covers or something so. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 581.11 581.52 Okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 583.05 583.64 That's great. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 586.01 586.35 Uh-huh. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 592.36 594.27 Uh Craig do you wanna 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 589.88 592.36 Um thank you for that. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 588.13 589.88 Okay great. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 592.55 592.71 Yep. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 596.14 598.73 uh plug yours in then? 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 640.72 641.19 Is it working? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 641.5 642.71 Mm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 645.86 646.75 Not quite. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 646.52 647.41 Did you press F. eight? 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 647.89 649.15 It's probably not sending. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 650.76 651.09 Yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 657.14 658.95 Oh something coming now, yeah. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 658.05 659.2 Yep, there it is. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 662.05 662.51 There we go. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 664.93 666.49 And so think of this concept. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 668.45 672.43 Um to research it I've um had a look on the the homepage again. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 681.27 687.37 um so I've taken the um suggestions from them and tried to incorporate them into this um 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 677.19 681.27 Um there's a wee bit of discussion about the other existing ones there 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 672.43 677.19 It's provided me with more examples of um previously existing c remote controls. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 688.79 694.26 So then this we're looking for um suggestions on size th um size of control and the buttons,
ES2002c H02 MEE007 694.26 698.93 um the shape of the control, and whereabout the buttons should be located on the control. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 699.15 699.53 Mm. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 702.82 708.48 Um what I found from the research is that most the current controls are just basically big bricks with loads of buttons all over them. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 713.43 716.88 they're I just hold 'em like big bricks, and they're very easily lost. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 709.61 713.43 Um they're not very attractive to look at, and they're not very comfortable to hold,
ES2002c H02 MEE007 716.88 721.84 Um they tend to be very dark colours, so if there are shadowy places down the side of couches you can't really see them. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 721.56 721.93 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 735.68 739.16 This is a red switch off, that's how it should be. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 722.82 728.98 Um the the controls themselves tend to use a very inconsistent colour scheme. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 739.16 742.94 Um I'm not sure if there's any other examples of that, but something to look out for. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 733.05 735.68 It's uh something the user then uh identify with. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 728.98 733.05 Um for instance, the stand-by button isn't always red, uh it really should be. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 744.69 756.3 Um there's a problem that I've I've got couple of preferences for the the end control um I get 'em with the the red colour button for stand-by and s the other examples of that um 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 758.51 760.91 They shouldn't be tiny little things like you get on some mobile phones. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 757.12 758.51 The buttons should be large. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 760.91 762.94 They should be easy to press, very comfortable. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 763.44 772.01 Um one of the examples given on the homepage was um there's an up and down volume button but both of them have a V. on them,
ES2002c H02 MEE007 776.28 778.76 Um should avoid s things like that. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 778.76 785.69 Um if the the corporate colour scheme allows it we should have a very bright colour so that it can be easily identified anywhere. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 772.01 776.28 so the up volume button looks like it should be a down volume button, that's kinda confusing. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 772.01 772.38 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 786.91 787.35 Okay. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 786.99 793.08 Um obviously trying trying to avoid being tacky there, but it could um tie-in very easily with your your lime and lemon idea. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 792.46 794.34 Okay, do we have a corporate colour scheme? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 792.11 792.46 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 794.34 794.79 I didn't know. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 801.35 807.35 lemon, you know definitely food for thought there, but keep going and we'll discuss it after. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 794.12 801.35 I think it's yellow because like the website is yellow and there's a band at the bottom is yellow, so yellow,
ES2002c H03 MEE008 798.09 798.57 Okay. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 799.87 802.51 And the Play-Doh 's yellow. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 800.33 800.69 Okay. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 801.45 803.33 Fantastic. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 804.73 805.1 Okay. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 806.51 807.07 Um 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 806.7 807.01 Yeah. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 811.43 817.95 they shouldn't be on the um shouldn't be visible without something be opened or some sort of special extra effort. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 817.95 822.89 Um if we did decide to go for voice activation there sh should always be a button as alternative,
ES2002c H02 MEE007 822.89 828.79 possibly hidden in the the opened up section um making that something is wrong with it or with somebody's voice, maybe they got a cold or 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 808.53 811.43 any extra features we add beyond the basic ones should be m hidden 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 815.57 815.9 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 830.01 833.87 Um we should definitely avoid the big square block look. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 833.87 834.54 That's just wrong. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 835.29 835.65 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 835.3 835.7 Mm 'kay. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 845.97 848.98 So it sh it could be good to have them um confirm any action you take 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 841.54 845.97 and they've said th the voice control um can now talk back if you ask it a question. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 836.44 841.54 And um we got an email uh from I think it's the the research department 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 845.55 845.94 Mm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 849.75 851.55 Aye that's a good idea, yeah. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 849.83 850.98 and possibility. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 854.06 855.99 Right and these are problems I've had with it. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 864.14 869.87 I mean you say you wanted the the corporate colours, but they don't say you know if we can use any other colours at all or 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 862.26 864.14 And we don't know how flexible the colour scheme is. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 859.31 862.26 I think it's um, fashion into electronics. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 855.99 859.31 Um I don't know where the slogan should go, or really what the slogan is. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 861.22 861.65 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 868.5 868.85 Mm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 870.94 871.31 Mm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 871.13 871.84 Okay. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 874.07 874.44 That's it. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 874.12 874.52 Cool. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 874.79 875.29 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 875.83 876.98 Great. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 876.98 878.29 Lots of good information there. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 878.6 882.57 Yeah that that was very good, and uh now with David. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 878.88 879.25 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 880.97 882.72 Mm 'kay um. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 896.32 897.02 I think I'm cool. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 903.68 904.17 Just um 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 899.84 903.68 It's a shame the cable wasn't just in the middle of the table, huh? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 902.12 903.62 I know it'd be handy, wouldn't it. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 915.24 915.86 Oops. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 916.12 919.07 Do y do you wanna sit in the the line of sight of this um 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 919.73 922.78 Let me just get this going first. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 918.56 919.73 Yeah okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 920.53 920.95 Yeah. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 925.09 925.97 Ah there it is. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 946.91 948.27 It takes a second, doesn't it? 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 954.12 954.97 'Kay, that should be it. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 963.21 966.66 So just so you guys have some idea of what's involved in my process 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 957.91 963.21 Okay um I guess the same thing again, I started with something very basic. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 966.66 973.12 um and then you can just work through it and we 'll either modify it or start from scratch um depending on what your needs are. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 966.43 966.7 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 976.21 981.76 Um I think, like what you guys said, um the most input that's needed is basically in the user interface. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 981.76 987.14 The rest of the components um they do have an impact in terms of cost and complexity. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 973.68 976.21 Um the components are exactly the same. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 987.14 991.96 Um like you said time to market was a problem, um and how many components are physically in there in cost. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 975.69 976.17 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1014.32 1017.52 like we only want the basic things that to be visible, and the rest of them we try to hide. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 992.23 994.38 And the power is basically a factor of that. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 994.38 1002.61 Um and the lower components, the power, the logic, the transmitter, and the infrared, um they affect you in terms of the size of your device 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1002.61 1014.32 um and that would have some inte impact on how y I think more how you hold rather than um the actual use using the the remote control because um like we've said we've defined,
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1017.87 1018.23 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1017.93 1021.44 So um you know it's just a matter of working out space. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1026.91 1029.76 These are the three things that um will have an impact on you. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1021.44 1026.91 So I guess three things, um cost, um complexity, and the size. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1029.76 1031.89 So just go through it in the components. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1034.85 1041.29 um I'm not very sure about the voice thing 'cause I got another email and it was in fact quite sketchy on what n the voice options are. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1031.89 1034.85 Um these are the options that are available to you 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 1041.23 1041.45 Right. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1052.46 1058.45 um 'cause they got back to me with like different requirements, or different offerings of what components availa 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1045.63 1048.61 I it said something about a sensor but never clarified that. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1048.61 1052.46 So maybe if you well I could see the other email that they sent you,
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1041.73 1045.63 Um it said it could talk to you, but it never said anything about being able to listen. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1047.99 1048.34 Mm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1048.22 1048.67 Hmm. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1058.51 1064.16 Okay so your basic components are buttons, okay and you have a wheel available, like a mouse scroll wheel,
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1064.16 1068.69 okay there's an L. C. D. display, um I think these are quite standard things. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 1058.92 1059.1 Right. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1060.78 1061.13 Mm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1063.52 1063.79 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1068.95 1069.76 They're standard, aren't they? 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1073.88 1077.45 I'll explain to you the complexity and the cost thing again a bit later. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1084.15 1089.34 um and then the different types of materials that you can use, um I don't think you can use them in a combination, 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1081.15 1084.15 It can actually be flat or it can be curved,
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1077.45 1081.15 Okay um then there's um how the case actually looks. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1070.14 1073.88 No um they're well in the sense that these are all the options available for you. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1076.36 1076.68 Yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1090.27 1090.72 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1090.69 1095.43 um but um I could check back for you, but I don't think you can actually use them in a combination. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1094.86 1097.28 We you couldn't have like plastic and rubber? 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1104.72 1107.6 They had some restrictions on using the rubber and the titanium. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1111.24 1119.09 but the titanium had a different kind of things on the shape of the thing, so I think that there is some restriction on um 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1107.6 1111.24 Um the rubber was a restriction on the kind of power source you could use,
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1097.83 1104.72 Um I think plastic and rubber would be fine, but plastic, rubber, and wood, I wasn't I'm not very sure about the titanium. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1104.19 1104.67 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1105.48 1105.83 Hmm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1107.53 1107.9 Mm 'kay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1115.29 1115.61 Okay. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1136.17 1141.35 The com how complex or how easy the logic is, it depends on how many functions you have on the on the unit 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1123.39 1128.28 but you know it might be easier from a cost perspective and a complexity just to use one. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1119.2 1123.39 I think you could probably group plastic and rubber together, wood and titanium 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1129.96 1136.17 Um and the other components are logic chips, um again I'll I'll go back to the component chips. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1128.28 1129.96 You know as opposed to two. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1121.41 1121.9 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1126.31 1126.58 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1127.77 1128.98 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1128.98 1129.26 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1147.43 1149.72 Power consumption should be about the same. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1169.52 1178.99 Yeah but that that might be something I think that's more of a look and feel decision because I don't think you can have one power source if you're using the alternative power sources. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1156.83 1159.01 Um the first one is a standard battery. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1149.72 1156.83 Um I think the main impact is complexity, um and the other thing is um the power options. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1143.58 1147.43 Um I don't think the logic chip has a issue about size 'cause they should be about the same size. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1141.63 1143.58 um and that impacts cost. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1159.01 1169.52 Okay the second one I think is more of a gimmick then actually a useable thing, it's a wind-up you know, a crank. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1143.59 1143.86 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1146.19 1146.51 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1149.97 1150.09 Hmm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1166.42 1168.04 I'll clear one of these things for you. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1168.76 1170.28 Just by moving it yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1168.84 1169.4 Hmm. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1187.06 1193.02 which may not be a great idea in Europe or any country that has seasons 'cause half the year you'd be dead. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1179.41 1184.52 I think whatever it is you still need a battery 'cause I don't think anybody wants to keep doing one thing. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1184.52 1187.06 Okay the other ones are a solar powered cell 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1181.38 1181.68 Mm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1183.56 1183.92 No. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1185.16 1185.33 Yeah. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1193.25 1196.88 So like what I said, you probably need like a battery and something else. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1211.78 1219.11 You know you know you have you had those balls, you know those stress balls where you bounce the ball and it and it lights up and it goes 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1196.88 1205.68 Um and the kinetic one I guess for me is the most interesting one because it's movement and people like to fiddle with their and it's a nice sales gimmick I think. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1205.68 1211.78 From a marketing gimmick it it's a technology thing, it's a shake it it doesn't work, shake it, knock it or something. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1219.11 1222.21 you know that might be a gimmick combined with rubber. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1195.73 1196.13 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1196.48 1197.83 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1203.55 1204 Mm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1206.1 1206.52 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1212.53 1213.68 W yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1213.68 1214.57 Uh yeah yeah, I see. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1212.58 1212.8 Hmm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1215.17 1215.51 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1221.59 1221.8 Hmm. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1222.58 1231.24 You know just to if you get frustrated wi remote control you can throw it, kind of you know just uh you know um so. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1247.66 1249.36 you know like a phone or something, too small phone. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1231.24 1240.38 Um okay my from my role, I don't think that personal preferences but role preferences, I think um something comfortable to hold 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1240.38 1247.66 um small and slim I guess that's more in the sense of small and slim in terms of comfortable not so small you can't,
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1223.33 1223.77 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1227.41 1227.57 Hmm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1227.54 1228.69 I know what you mean yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1240.26 1240.66 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1248.08 1248.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1270.94 1271.39 Um 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1249.78 1259.16 Um and the other thing is from a production point of view um the less components we use and the simpler the components means you reduce your cost and you increase your profit. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1259.16 1266.39 Um and also the time to market and the complexity of developing designing and debugging it um so. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1266.39 1270.94 Um okay let me just go back and talk about some of the restrictions. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1258.71 1259.08 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1263.2 1264.53 Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1265.97 1266.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1272.77 1277.27 The user interface restrictions basically means that if you use more complicated features,
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1289.17 1300.04 Okay with the titanium case, let me just check that um, titanium case can't be curved, it has to be square. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1283.08 1289.17 Um the case okay with a rubber case you can't have the solar panels. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1277.27 1283.08 like the buttons are standard okay, the L. C. D. panel and the scroll wheel you need more complicated logic. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1283 1283.46 Mm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1299.8 1300.4 Okay. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1300.64 1305.08 Okay um there's no restriction on the plastic, and it can't be curved on the wood. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1313.81 1318.49 So um mixing them may not be a good idea um yep. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1318.49 1318.95 That's it. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1305.08 1313.81 So that's again, I don't think you can use them in a combination, um especially the titanium I I suspect they're very fixed to a particular need. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1302.79 1304.31 It can't be curved. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1304.31 1304.71 Okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1308.71 1309.08 Okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1311.6 1312.17 Right. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1316.85 1317.27 Okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1318.44 1319.76 Right can I 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1318.58 1321.51 Uh question on can I ask a question? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1321.37 1328.7 Yeah well yeah it's just I'm quite keen to get the discussion going with the time we've left so but yeah you c ask away. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1326.32 1326.57 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1330.99 1333.07 Can we get a strong enough battery to power a light? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1327.92 1330.99 Can we uh power a light in this? 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1333.28 1340.53 Um I think we could because the L. C. D. panel requires power, and the L. C. D. is a form of a light so that 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1339.11 1339.53 Mm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1339.12 1339.38 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1340.16 1343.77 So maybe one of the things we can just try and include is a really good battery. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1344.68 1347.06 Why what kind of light do you want are you thinking of? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1346.74 1347.42 Well 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1348.36 1349.98 I mean I'm thinking it might be 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1351.3 1357.89 That for uh this to be a high-tech thing it's gonna have to have something high-tech about it and that's gonna take battery power,
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1357.89 1365.75 and to make that to make that a realistic goal I think one of the issues that will come up later is, can the battery power it? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1353.43 1353.84 Uh-huh. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1356.05 1356.41 Yeah. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1369.99 1375.5 or a light in the sense of it glows kind of you know Frankenstein, it's alive. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1364.68 1369.99 Are you thinking are you thinking of of a light in the sense of um a light light,
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1371.73 1373.41 Illuminate the buttons. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1373.41 1374.08 Yeah it glows. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1382.61 1383.82 and that's what everybody does. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1375 1382.61 Well m I'm thinking along the lines of you're you're in the dark watching a D. V. D. and you um you find the thing in the dark and you go like this 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1383.82 1390.63 Oh where's the volume button in the dark, and uh y you just touch it, or you just pick it up, and it lights up or something. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1379.04 1379.39 Okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1386.06 1386.66 Yeah yeah yeah. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1386.42 1386.8 Okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1393.3 1394.33 Okay cool. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1390.65 1393.3 Like a phone yeah, like the backlight in a phone. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1391.38 1391.72 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1391.73 1393.07 Like a phone, yeah yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1397.44 1404.5 We're gonna need to put in a really good battery so people don't have to charge their r remote control every few days. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1394.12 1397.44 Whereas with phones, people charge them once a week. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1396.96 1397.47 Yeah. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1404.39 1410.12 Um that's why I think the option of the the kinetic thing which basically means as long as you shake it like a watch, like an automatic watch 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1409.38 1411.26 But are people gonna wanna shake their movie controller? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1409.77 1410.07 Mm. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1423.15 1425.69 right, and then that that sorta triggers the 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1415.13 1418.46 So you could trigger that to a light, like I said the bouncing ball thing 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1411.56 1415.13 um it's probably sensitive enough when you fiddle it. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1418.46 1423.15 or you could trigger that to use that to power the light as opposed to so when they pick it up,
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1414.29 1414.53 Right. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1415.48 1415.77 Sure. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1415.54 1415.89 Mm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1418.8 1419.2 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1420.81 1421.13 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1422.04 1422.27 Right. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1423.8 1424.27 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1425.23 1425.47 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1425.97 1433.45 Right okay um well let's just go right back to the marketing ideas for a start,
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1438.24 1448.44 So um yeah so just t to bear in mind that the ultimate goal of this meeting is to reach an decision on the the the concepts of the product. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1433.45 1438.24 and just giving an id idea on the time, we've got about fifteen minutes to play with at most. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1427.07 1427.92 glowingness. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1428.02 1429.01 Okay, great. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1438.11 1438.39 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1447.58 1449.22 Okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1456.76 1460.03 Um I mean what does everybody think about 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1448.82 1456.76 So back to your idea about um incorporating the idea of like fruit and veg, and the corporate colour, and things like that. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1454.07 1454.26 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1456.3 1456.53 Yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1462.24 1465.17 Does anybody have any ideas of about how we can fit all that in together? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1465.17 1468.84 I mean that's kind of the user interface type of thing, what are your thoughts on that? 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 1476.63 1479.09 Um you could have the same sort of texture and colour as a fruit. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 1469.46 1476.63 Um I think we could go for like um maybe not a p a fruit shape but a very sort of curvy type shape. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1479.62 1486.11 So maybe do y are we thinking something that like s could sit in your hand comfortably, or do you th you'd hold onto comfortably or 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 1486.44 1489.52 Um probably something that s sits in your hand comfortably, sort of feels right in your hand. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1489.99 1494.19 Okay um right okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1494.19 1500.22 Colour-wise I mean you made a re uh was it you or uh I can't remember who made the point about how if you've a nice bright colour you'll not lose it 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1500.22 1500.57 was that 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1488.53 1489.99 So something quite curvy? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1505.8 1513.75 Um and when the corporate colour is yellow, I mean maybe we could think about about the colour of the whole product being yellow I don't know. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1501.72 1505.8 Whose about how if you have a bright colour you'll not lose it so much. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1513.75 1514.55 Um 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1501.75 1502.47 I think he made that. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1501.81 1502.18 What's that? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1505.25 1505.6 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1511.94 1512.3 Okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1515.37 1523.83 And then obviously the uh the materials when it has anybody got like an overall picture in their mind about what what might work? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1530.3 1537.88 and if we think that what we are w our number one marketing motive is um the look and feel. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1546.67 1551.22 then we should have it kind of come back to one thing that we kind of all sorta can visualize. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1524.73 1530.3 Well I mean I'm thinking that what we need to do is have something that kind of unifies a lot of the different concepts 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1537.88 1546.67 So for the look and feel to seem coherent and not just sorta bits and bits and pieces of of concept and technology or or whatever or fashion 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1524.83 1525.24 That's all. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1530.34 1530.77 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1537.7 1538 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1551.64 1562.26 Um maybe what we could do is t th think about a concept which touches b back to the on the um the colour, you said company colour yellow. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1570.21 1574.58 We just come up with something like that we kind of use it as a theme to inspire the 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1566.12 1570.21 what can we come up with something where we we try and associate it with with like the series. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1562.26 1566.12 I mean if we think of something, like I was saying also lime and lemon you know 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1561.2 1561.5 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1565.06 1565.47 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1575.39 1575.92 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1575.89 1576.55 shapes and things. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1577.56 1578.13 Right. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1582.86 1586.93 Like does marketing have any research on does it need to be long? 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1586.93 1589.17 Does it need with a square thing wha 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1578.71 1582.86 Is there a particular shape that you're interested in? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1587.82 1590.36 Oh you know like in circular in shape or 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1590.47 1593.47 Yeah 'cause that will n help narrow down the choice of 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1593.41 1593.73 Yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1601.3 1606.96 and they're plastic but then also have like rubber on the outside, and it kinda feels it feels kind of warmer to the touch. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1595.91 1601.3 'Cause I I I was kinda thinking about as well you know how you get these shock resistant mobile phones,
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1606.96 1610.73 It feels a bit more comfortable, and maybe we could incorporate plastic and rubber 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1593.96 1595.91 Choice of material yeah. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1594.51 1595.99 Like fruit. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1595.99 1598.22 I'm thinking fruits in my head, but that's tacky. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 1596.02 1596.65 See I'm 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1607.17 1607.42 Yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1611.36 1611.91 into it. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1616.1 1623.44 it's gonna have to be boxy and rectangular and I think we might be moving away from that you know so um 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1611.91 1616.1 And then then we could have curved shapes, 'cause wood or titanium, yeah 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1624.73 1630.78 Well I'm do we really want it in like the shape of a lemon or no I don't think we do either. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1628.7 1631.08 No no no not at all. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1631.08 1634.73 It's more more just that we we think about like 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1636.08 1641.17 what it is we're trying to achieve, so and then we have one one sorta theme that we stick with. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1641.17 1641.81 Do you know what I mean? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1641.28 1647.01 Okay right well um so thoughts about the actual shape of the thing. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 1648.02 1649.89 I'd quite like a sort of uh snowman type shape. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1650.05 1651.01 A snowman shape? 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 1651.24 1657.01 Um so a p sort of larger bit sits in your hand, and then you got maybe another bubble at the top for just any other function you need. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1653.14 1653.49 Uh-huh. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1657.6 1659.76 That's quite a distinctive shape, that would be good wouldn't it. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1657.81 1659.14 Right, sure. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1660.88 1661.17 Yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1661.27 1664.09 Yeah so yeah should we go with that? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1664.45 1669.07 Um can we yeah like to and wha like do you have a 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1669.99 1671.27 Do you wanna draw it on the board? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1670.31 1672.8 Can you like yeah just t we can visualize it. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 1690.79 1700.35 Um something like that um you got two groups there um maybe it could fold up and you get a third group inside or uh you have volume controls about there. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1696.19 1696.52 Okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1696.24 1697.49 Ooh that'd be good. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1700.74 1701.03 Okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1701.14 1701.72 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1703.18 1703.31 Yep. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1703.76 1707.93 So call it the snowman-shape trademark. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1712.86 1715.3 Um and I mean colour-wise what does everybody think? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1717.94 1721.5 I mean do you want the whole thing yellow, maybe like yellow and white do you want something 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1711.94 1712.86 Yeah that's cool. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1715.3 1717.94 I think it is quite important to get yellow in there somewhere. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1721.1 1721.48 Mm. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 1725.43 1729.8 had a sorta background yellow, and then have sort of a nice bold colour for the buttons. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 1722.72 1725.43 So I reckon it'd look quite nice if we just had um this here,
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1727.14 1727.53 Uh-huh. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1735.41 1741.2 The fact that it talks to you, I mean it might be quite cool if when you first start using it it says,
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1741.2 1745.05 what is it, putting fashion into electronics or something, I dunno. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1745.05 1753.03 Or when you like or if you turn it off or something if it can speak if it could actually say the slogan it might be a bit more powerful than just having it written on it somewhere. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1753.03 1754.85 I d I d any thoughts on that at all? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1730.08 1730.96 Okay cool. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1730.96 1735.41 Um and also I mean how are we going to incorporate the slogan in? 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 1747.44 1748.41 I think that might scare me. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 1756.46 1758.83 You turn it on your control possessed s. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 1755.47 1756.46 I think that'd probably scare me. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1759.57 1769.78 Um unless an a I mean if you also would that work if we wanted to incorporate um an L. C. D. display, where would we put that? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1757.2 1759.57 I know. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1769.78 1771.47 Would we put that on the inside or 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 1772.8 1773.34 Um 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1773.29 1774.99 Do we need an L. C. D. display? 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1774.99 1777.12 What what's the functionality of that? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1776.61 1780.31 It's bound to increase the cost of it a lot, I would've thought. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1779.2 1783.14 Yeah but the question is what are we using it what would we what would we achieve from it? 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1783.14 1787.2 Putting in lights is cheap but putting in an L. C. D. panel just to make it glow is a bit of a 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1780.25 1780.99 What would it achieve? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1783.29 1783.86 Well 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1794.76 1797.9 So as you scroll through, 'cause we said we might have a jog dial 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1789.42 1794.76 And the th the thing I could see it helping with would be if it was somehow connected with um listings. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1785.21 1789.42 L. C. well I'd when you used to mention the L. C. D. I'd think I wonder what that would be about. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1797.9 1802.36 so as you scroll through your stations you can y it actually tells you what it is. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1795 1795.47 Yeah. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1797.93 1798.33 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1807.15 1812.3 so um it's a bit nuts to get the Monday Tuesday Wednesday you know. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1802.2 1807.15 I think that will be a problem because we don't have an input device to get the listings into it 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1806.57 1807.2 Right, okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1807.2 1808.76 Mm oh yeah that's true. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1809.38 1809.86 Yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1810.68 1813.7 So so no need for an L. C. D. display? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1810.99 1811.71 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1811.71 1812.43 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1828.82 1831.79 We have the option of the speaker as well the sa the same thing goes for the speaker 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1813.49 1819.27 Um I I'm not saying there's no need for an L. C. D. display, but um it's what's what what would it tell the user 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1831.79 1836.47 is there a need for the remote control to to talk back? 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1819.27 1828.82 'cause the L. C. D. tends to be an output as uh as opposed to an input so um does the remote control need to talk back to the user? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1816.65 1818.45 I think that would make it very complex. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1821.23 1821.72 Yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1822.79 1823.41 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1827.99 1828.88 Mm not real 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1834.26 1838.63 I don't know if there is really, no um 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1834.32 1834.76 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 1836.16 1836.65 Nah. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1838.01 1839.04 Um 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1841.59 1843.28 Uh does anybody disagree with that? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1839.59 1841.59 I would say no need for a talk-back. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1844.4 1844.66 No. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1844.5 1848.47 You could put a game on it. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1848.47 1852.33 When the T. V. dies you can play with the remote control. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1847.43 1848.54 Easy. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1844.68 1847.43 No? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1850.66 1851.55 Mm mm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1850.9 1857.6 Okay um right so you're gonna have the three different sets of of functionalities,
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1857.6 1864.26 um I mean do you wanna group them into s head of the snowman, body of the snowman, inside of the snowman, is that what you're thinking? 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 1864.41 1869.52 Um well I think the advanced ones the the ones you don't usually use could be hid inside. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 1869.52 1874.06 B um I think the we had were fairly basic ones, they'd have to go on the the front somewhere. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1869.18 1869.66 Okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1874.38 1880.13 Okay right um what else do you need to talk about? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1880.04 1881.98 Well i I was just 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1883.82 1888.37 Um I think that that has some impact on on on many things. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1881.12 1883.82 Where would you physically position the buttons? 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1888.37 1891.12 Um maybe you wanna draw onto the 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1885.96 1886.36 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1887.67 1887.88 Yeah. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 1887.93 1888.44 Um 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1891.24 1898.9 So I'm just gonna um pop this in here 'cause I have a slide about decision making which I'd forgotten about. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1896.39 1896.69 Yep. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1925.87 1929.24 but have have kinetic power, I mean what does anybody think about that? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1922.25 1925.87 I really like the idea of this kinetic thing where you'd have the back-up of the battery,
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1910.56 1916.32 Oh sh God we've got five minutes um okay uh back we go. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1916.32 1922.25 Um energy what do you think that's suggesting we're how we're powering the thing? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1925.7 1926.89 Yeah, sure. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1927.86 1930.03 Um I've had kinetic things before,
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1930.03 1938.14 and the the the one issue we need to keep in mind with them is that you're committing the user to moving it, and watches yeah 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1936.36 1942.66 No, like I said we have a h hybrid kind of thing, so it's not gonna charge the battery, it's just 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1939.06 1941.9 Sure, okay, right, okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1943.33 1944.03 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1951.09 1953.8 and it's just like magic because it's always powered and there's no battery. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1944.23 1951.09 I mean just it's just worth pointing out because like I've I've known I've known people to have kinetic watches that they wear all the time 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1943.36 1944.23 Support for it. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1944.38 1944.69 Yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1951 1951.31 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1954.1 1959.07 I've also known people to have things like like a jewellery watch they wear from time to time 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1963.96 1971.18 Like remote control is similar, you're away on vacation, I dunno whatever, you something, and it just starts to get worn down. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1971.18 1972.58 So we should think about 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1959.07 1963.96 and they eventually just say it's just too much of a nuisance because I don't wear it all the time. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1961.37 1961.92 Yeah. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1962.24 1962.41 Yep. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1969.49 1969.99 Yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1976.33 1983.12 So you'd have the battery as the kind of to keep it ticking over idea I'm really sorry we're gonna have to wrap up quite quickly 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1992.85 1997 Okay um as for the case, kind of discussed that 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1984.84 1987.97 Um so I think that's what energy is referring to here. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1987.97 1992.85 Chip on print, is that that's an industrial design thing, is it David? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1971.31 1976.33 Well I suppose that if you're if you're away and you're not using it, then you're not using any power either. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 1983.12 1984.84 we don't have as much time as I thought. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1980.42 1980.66 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1984.52 1984.83 Yep. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 1991.95 1992.8 Yes yes. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 1997.15 2001.89 And this size here, I'd suggest this be small, like quite small. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2000.42 2003.63 Yeah I know we're gonna have like rubber buttons that feel kind of 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 2005.16 2006.06 Yeah I think so yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2005.2 2005.73 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2006.1 2008.97 Um just a a lot of the um 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2017.1 2022.01 um but we are leaning quite a bit to the side of being low-tech, rubber buttons plastic frame 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2026.02 2038.31 Should we think about how we are actually getting this high-tech user friendly uh um theme like what is it that we're u we're using to to achieve those goals? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2038.31 2038.8 Like 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2022.01 2026.02 it's almost like we're reproducing the same old remote control that's out there. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2010.49 2017.1 I mean one of the things running through my mind right now, I realise we're being efficient to wrap up the meeting and have lots of decisions made,
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2015.07 2015.36 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2024.77 2025.23 Mm 'kay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2038.4 2041.64 Could have things like backlighting the buttons and stuff like that. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2040.69 2043.59 Okay so so backlighting, that would be good. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2044.48 2055.46 Um you know a a glowing a a glowing yellow type case where the yellow is showable, but in the dark it sort of, it's alive. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2055.46 2057.46 Um in in a slight subtle way. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2042.64 2044.48 Or even a clear case. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2044.65 2045.65 Yeah clear, that'd be 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2045.94 2047.52 Aye that would be a good idea. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2046.67 2047.15 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2054.19 2054.94 Yeah sure. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2062.56 2063.23 Is that what you mean? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2056.02 2062.56 S so like cur slightly transparent case, so it's yellow, like tinted yellow, but you can maybe see through it. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2056.9 2057.81 Yeah that'd be really good. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2058.67 2059.67 Yeah yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2059.53 2059.94 Yeah. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2060.8 2061.69 Yeah. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2065.92 2068.67 You know you have cordless mice and they don't eat that much power right. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2068.67 2075.45 So the power the battery in that sense, maybe you have one or two stratig strategically placed lights that sort of 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2062.82 2065.92 Or or there might be a light running through it like a mouse. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2065.44 2065.79 Sure. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2068.37 2069.54 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2070.81 2071.16 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2073.94 2074.19 Sure. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2075.4 2077.11 Yeah they they emanate a light through it. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2076.82 2077.61 Okay. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2077.05 2083.16 Yeah but because the case is transparent so it gives it a little bit of a glow, doesn't make it freaky. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2079.28 2079.69 Lights. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2080.02 2080.27 'Kay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2101.36 2106.67 Could we use like a jog dial, like a nice just sort of round, somewhere on it where you just roll it? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2088.98 2099.04 and so I'm thinking maybe should we try and think about having something like um some kind of an innovative concept about how the um the volume and the channels are controlled 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2081.46 2083.08 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2106.67 2107.12 Or 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2099.04 2101.36 'cause that's the main thing people will f wanna do. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2083.08 2088.98 Um and then the other thing that we we're s we've committed ourselves to achieving is simplicity 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2082.32 2082.98 Okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2100.46 2101.16 Mm. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2115.38 2120.08 whereas the other thing about having it jog dial this way, it tends to get moved accidentally. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2105.57 2108.17 The question is when you're rolling it, how do you wanna roll it? 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2109.5 2111.05 Do you want 'em to roll it like that? 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2108.17 2109.5 Do you want 'em to roll it like that? 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2111.05 2115.38 'Cause in a mouse your hand's in a position to roll it,
ES2002c H02 MEE007 2113.73 2114.01 Mm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2113.94 2114.21 Yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2114.07 2114.56 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2121.3 2122.73 Well why don't we do it like a mouse then? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2120.31 2121.3 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2121.23 2124.42 Yeah if you are holding it in your hand you could you could do that, couldn't you? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2124.42 2126.85 If you're holding it in your hand you could 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2130.19 2132.27 Can you imagine you have to scroll a lot. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2138.64 2146.12 If you have a Telewest box you've got like, you don't have to buy all the channels, you've about fifty channels, can you imagine trying to. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2132.27 2138.64 Um it might work for volume, and maybe some of the brightness controls and stuff like that, but not for channels right. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2126.41 2130.19 That's a very unnatural motion to yeah. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2146.12 2152.29 Um and I don't think having that you know too quick too slow kin it's confusing to the I dunno. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2129.46 2129.89 Okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2128.26 2129.46 Do you think? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2134.27 2134.55 Yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2136.69 2137.07 Mm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2141.26 2141.69 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2143.52 2147.93 Yeah okay okay um 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2143.84 2144.09 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2145.67 2147.29 Yeah, sure. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2150.05 2150.54 Mm. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 2150.46 2156.13 Well, but then for um for skipping a large amount of channels you do have to uh to skip the channel button, the number part. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2155.44 2156.02 Yeah. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2155.73 2160.16 But users tend to tend to want to use that and once they lose out on the user experience they're like 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2156.04 2156.3 Yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2160.6 2161.15 Okay. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 2160.69 2161.58 Uh but 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2161.04 2164.49 Because that's becomes the most accessible thing in front of 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2162.96 2163.38 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2168.89 2170.44 Jog dials are much easier than that. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2163.33 2164.98 But that's not a bad thing is it? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2164.98 2168.89 Because when you think about it, the alternative is to go push the button. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2164.66 2165.3 Just 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 2167.98 2168.35 Yeah. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2168.63 2168.91 Yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2170.92 2178.12 Okay um right well wouldn't it we do need to make a decision on whether we want to incorporate a jog dial in nice and quickly. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2188 2193.05 And the other thing was um can we think of any way of getting the slogan into this thing? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2178.12 2182.9 Um I'm all for them actually, I think they're quite you know th very quick to m to use. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2187.33 2188 No. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2182.9 2187.33 So does anybody oppose the idea of of incorporating one into the design at all? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2171.62 2172.19 You just roll. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2180.52 2180.78 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2182.4 2182.59 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2198.25 2205.45 I wouldn't be surprised if we could take this idea, imagine that, I dunno, that it's within the shape of the hand, it's quite small 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2193.21 2198.25 Yeah like I mean if we if if we keep coming back to this board here,
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2198.01 2198.46 Uh-huh. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2205.52 2209.52 Uh-huh ooh okay, we really gotta wrap up so yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2206.82 2207.26 I dunno. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2208.38 2208.75 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2209.52 2214.98 It's small, and that we've got like the the l slogan somewhere like on the casing at the side, 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2214.17 2217.41 Okay well if we can do that, great. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2217.41 2218.38 Yeah okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2216.08 2221.88 and that yeah well I mean isn't that what we just h said said we s just have to decide now? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2222.88 2227.76 Yeah let's let's try and get the slogan on there um, and 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2226.82 2227.55 And then like a jo 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2225.94 2226.82 Yeah. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2226.98 2229.1 So you wanna expand the shape of the 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2229.04 2235.67 And then like a jog dial somewhere that fits in with the shape of it like I dunno like here, in with the 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2243.66 2247.34 Could I just could I just jump in and suggest something quickly? 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2235.31 2243.66 That that might have one problem in terms of um in terms of whether you're left handed or you're right handed you might be locking yourself in. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2241.07 2241.37 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2238.05 2241.07 It would get bumped, it's doesn't really fit with your hand. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2241.42 2241.84 Mm. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2242.91 2245.21 Or maybe just fit it in like down the middle here. 
ES2002c H02 MEE007 2243.1 2243.52 Mm. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2244.67 2245.21 Okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2257.59 2260.98 and so you can see in the screen here what each of you are gonna hopefully be doing 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2246.84 2250.98 Right I'm gonna have to I'm really gonna have to hurry you on here 'cause we're we're actually over time. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2250.98 2254.05 Um is there anything anybody's unsure about? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2254.05 2257.59 Just for in closing just the next meeting's gonna be in thirty minutes 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2260.98 2263.98 uh I know that the designers are gonna be working with Play-doh on that. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2246.87 2247.48 A jog di 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2250.78 2252.47 It's kind of yeah 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2249.5 2250.78 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2260.71 2261.02 Yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2264.46 2267.71 So um that'll be that'll be good. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2275.48 2277.71 Is everybody kind of happy about what they're gonna be doing? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2272.26 2275.48 Anything at all you think we haven't discussed that we need to? 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2267.71 2272.26 Um and I'll get the the minutes up as soon as possible. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2266.51 2266.69 Huh. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2275.9 2276.75 Um 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2276.58 2285.26 Um I think one thing would be the jog dial 'cause that's gonna have quite a big impact on the thing um 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2283.53 2288.44 Yeah I think the jog dial, you know it just after you drew that, what if it was flat and you just spun it, that'd be great. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2286.85 2291.36 Yeah that's what I was thinking the a slide, because then you you don't have to put the hand. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2291.36 2293.15 I think incorporating a logo is quite straight forward. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2293.15 2295.18 There's lots of space for it um 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2289.42 2289.69 Yeah. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2291.12 2291.33 Yep. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2293.15 2293.51 Okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2294.69 2297.61 That's kind of a design thing that you guys can can discuss, yeah. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2296.32 2300.59 Yeah but it's also a a marketing and a function 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2303.67 2309.48 and I think maybe we should try and stay away from just the big protruding rubber buttons, 'cause that'd just be so standard. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2297.38 2303.67 Sure, yeah, yeah and materials we sorta said we'd do plastic and rubber, didn't we,
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2299.48 2299.89 Okay. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2302.36 2304.5 Yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2303.17 2303.59 Yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2309.82 2311.61 To make something flush with the case? 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2315.89 2322.48 so that it has and also t plastic I've seen can get really textured, so you can get plastics that actually feel soft in your hand. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2311.16 2315.89 Something a bit more flush, yeah, or maybe have rubber incorporated into the case as well,
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2312.56 2313.42 Okay right. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2315.98 2316.65 Okay. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2317.46 2318.38 Sp kinda grippy? 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2323.71 2325.16 Fruits kids. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2322.56 2323.71 Feel like fruit. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2322.89 2323.31 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2330.02 2333.39 they're actually just plastic that's textured, kind of a little bit like 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2324.5 2330.02 They feel kind of like um, you get pens now and then that you'd think that they were rubber but they're not,
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2327.29 2327.89 No like 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2328.73 2329.35 Yeah yeah. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2332.03 2333.38 Yeah yeah kinda like that yeah. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2336.87 2343.8 So um that's really good, like we've s had much to talk about that um pretty much run out of time to do so. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2343.8 2349.6 So off you go and design stuff wooh. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2332.63 2336.87 Okay I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to call this to a close 'cause we're way over time. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2342.64 2342.98 Okay. 
ES2002c H03 MEE008 2345.38 2345.87 Okay. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2350.29 2351.44 Play-doh time. 
ES2002c H01 FEE005 2351.41 2352.91 Yeah quite jealous actually. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2358.57 2359.51 No, we're kidding. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2356.41 2358.57 You got to choose first. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2365.27 2368.98 Okay, can I just swipe your power cable, I don't think it matters. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2372.9 2380.34 Okay lemme okay, I'm gonna pull everybody out first and then put in whoever needs to be left. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2383.42 2383.87 It's you. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2394.12 2395.9 Argh. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2395.9 2398.25 This is a real hassle and a oops. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2399.92 2403.23 I'm gonna take the microphones, 'cause it's too lazy t take them off again. 
ES2002c H00 MEE006 2405.63 2406.1 Cool. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 18.22 25.04 And the end result of this meeting has to be a decision on the details of this remote control, like absolute final decision 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 5.7 6.76 Right. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2.41 5.7 Okay we all all set? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 25.04 30.51 um and then I'm gonna have to specify the final design in the final report. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 6.76 10.67 Well this is the uh final detailed design meeting. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 10.67 18.22 Um we're gonna discuss the look and feel design, the user interface design, and we're gonna evaluate the product. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 59.8 68.34 Okay um so uh if you want to present your prototype go ahead. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 58.27 59.8 Anything I've missed? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 31 42.53 So um just from from last time to recap, we said we were gonna have a snowman shaped remote control with no L. C. D. display, no need for talk-back,
ES2002d H01 FEE005 42.53 53.09 it was hopefully gonna be kinetic power and battery uh with rubber buttons, maybe backlighting the buttons with some internal L. E. D. s to shine through the casing,
ES2002d H01 FEE005 53.09 58.27 um hopefully a jog-dial, and incorporating the slogan somewhere as well. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 59.26 59.39 No. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 70.86 74.7 This is it? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 76.8 78.98 Um, well look at the expense sheet 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 85.19 90.37 so instead we've um this is gonna be an L. C. D. screen, um just a a very very basic one 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 70.11 70.86 Uh-oh. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 74.7 76.8 Um, there are a few changes we've made. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 78.98 85.19 and uh it turned to be quite a lot expensive to have open up and have lots of buttons and stuff inside,
ES2002d H03 MEE007 90.37 95.42 very small um with access to the menu through the the scroll wheel and uh confirm 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 71.75 73.91 Ninja Homer, made in Japan. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 76.93 77.45 Okay. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 79.56 80.19 Mm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 84.93 85.28 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 96.64 98.63 um button. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 98.63 101.71 Uh, apart from that, it's just pretty much the same as we discussed last time. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 98.46 98.75 Mm 'kay. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 101.92 106.23 And there isn't uh d it doesn't open up to the advanced functions? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 106.23 111.34 So the advanced functions are still hidden from you, but they're hidden in the sense that um they're not in use. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 111.8 112.25 Where are they? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 115.76 116.42 Okay 'cause 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 112.76 115.76 Um they're in the L. C. D. panel and the jog-dial? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 115.84 116.18 Great. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 114.85 115.84 Ah, right. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 116.08 118.16 So w what kind of thing uh is gonna be 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 130.12 136.6 it's a very simple L. C. D. like, whereas many the minimum amount we need that the user will automatically know like this is brightness or this is contrast. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 118.1 121.31 The L. C. D. panel just displays um functionally what you're doing. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 121.31 130.12 If you're using an advanced function right, like um c brightness, contrast, whatever, it will just say You know it's like it only has four columns,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 121.54 121.77 Right. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 125.94 126.23 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 131.4 131.66 Right. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 137.24 138.22 Okay cool. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 136.58 137.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 136.76 138.6 Right, 'kay. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 137.91 143.57 It might even be one, a bit more complex L. C. D. panel with pictures like maybe the sun or the,
ES2002d H00 MEE006 143.57 146.65 you know, the the symbols of the various functions. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 140.72 141.11 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 145.77 148.12 Mm-hmm, and what is this here? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 147.44 147.82 Cool. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 146.11 147.44 Oh right okay. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 148.82 149.72 That's a number pad. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 149.69 152.41 Okay so the number pad is 'Kay, great. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 151.6 153.44 Where are we gonna have the slogan? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 154.18 156.79 Um they're al along this Yeah. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 154.79 156.65 You know, just like right inside there. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 157.49 158.43 Okay cool. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 158.4 162.78 You have this space here, and then you have this thing on the side as well, or at the bottom. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 164.1 164.75 Okay. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 164.2 169.25 'Cause slogans are usually quite small, right, they're not like huge so they're s 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 166.39 166.53 Mm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 168.79 168.97 Yep. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 170.71 176.85 Say a button's about say a button's about this size, right, so you would still have plenty of space for a slogan, say even for that. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 170.93 171.71 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 171.02 171.74 Looks good. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 173.65 173.87 Yep. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 174.74 176.54 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 176.44 178.51 So if this isn't to scale, what kind of 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 179.6 181.76 dimensions are you thinking about here? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 181.84 190.84 Well we want the other buttons to be big enough to push easily with a finger so we reckon maybe that'll be about the same size as the palm of your hand. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 185.42 186.12 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 189.4 189.77 Okay. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 190.39 195.09 Yep so that would be about a centimetre for a button, so one two three 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 199.37 201.96 Plus maybe half o five 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 197.42 199.37 four centimetres. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 200.85 201.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 202.44 203.52 About nine in total. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 202.92 206.43 six seven eight, about yeah nine total. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 203.12 204.89 Six, seven, eight, nine, ten. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 208.38 209.09 That would be good. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 209.09 211.36 So ten centimetres in height. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 205.42 208.38 So we're talking about ten centimetres. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 211.36 215.01 Okay um. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 205.99 206.97 That sounds good. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 206.97 207.3 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 208.76 208.89 Yep. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 209.73 210.43 Nine, ten. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 211.12 211.71 Yep. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 218.56 222.09 so that would be that sounds like a really good size, if you see it there. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 215.19 218.56 That'd be good, in fact a pen is about ten centimetres usually,
ES2002d H01 FEE005 220.61 221.12 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 222.23 224.42 That's great and it's very bright as well. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 224.42 226.35 So um okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 224.24 224.45 Mm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 225.98 230.09 Is it possible uh I'm just gonna bring up the idea of colours. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 230.09 234.3 Is these are these the colours that of production, or is this just what we had available? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 232.43 233.33 Well I'm 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 234.44 240.07 We're gonna have again the the sort of the foggy um yellow from last time that lit up when you pushed the button. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 240.24 240.47 Right. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 240.86 242.67 Um 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 240.91 246.4 Okay so just could you just list all the things that it does s so I can write them in the report. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 258.68 264.13 Um apart from that it's gonna be used as a confirm button for the L. C. D. screen and you use this as a jog-dial. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 251.87 258.68 we're gonna use it as uh it can be the power button if you hold it for maybe two seconds it'll send a stand-by signal. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 245.88 251.87 But um this button um, because it's red it's sort of very prominent 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 255.95 259.83 Excuse me. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 256.26 256.62 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 259.89 260.12 Sure. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 262 262.32 Okay. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 264.3 267.02 Okay so that's like an okay button, right. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 267.49 267.75 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 268.08 270.92 Oh we've discussed how h high it is, but how wide is it? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 268.67 269.26 I don't know. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 272.68 273.95 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 273.12 273.83 How high is it? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 274.02 276.91 No as in the height, but what about the width? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 275.27 275.54 Yeah. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 277.25 278.72 Didn't put five centimetres. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 277.35 279.61 Oh oh like depth of the actual thing. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 279.89 282.33 I don't think five is be about th three and a half. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 279.14 279.89 Do we need five? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 280.24 280.87 Um. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 283.11 283.45 Okay. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 284.26 284.83 Something by there. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 289.2 291.49 So you can power on and off, what else can you do? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 284.27 289.2 Oh is this k to get an idea of scale from your from your thing there okay. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 285.93 287.92 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 286.77 287.17 Sure. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 290.57 291.08 Three and a half. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 291.94 294.51 Um you can skip straight to a channel using these buttons. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 294.33 295.19 Okay. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 303.33 307.61 but um because we've got the the L. C. D. and the jog-dial we just thought we'd um use that as the volume. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 300.99 303.33 Um, were gonna have the volume control here 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 308.08 309.76 Okay jog-dial for volume. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 312.01 313.57 And what else do you do with the jog-dial? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 312.12 312.69 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 314.2 318.33 Um you can use it for um more advanced functions like contrast, colour and 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 318.83 324.19 Contrast, brightness, yeah, and anything else? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 320.89 321.85 Um yeah. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 324.79 330.06 Um just whatever else we wanted to include as the advanced functions, um we didn't actually go through and specify the 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 330.57 332.89 Well of the designers what are they? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 332.96 334.97 Uh what can a T. V. do? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 335.83 341.61 Okay things like um brightness, contrast, um maybe tuning the channels. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 338.31 338.66 Uh-huh. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 343.81 344.4 That's a good one. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 342.18 343.81 Okay channel tuning. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 342.9 343.98 Um. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 345.08 345.42 What else? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 345.42 346.37 Um the various inputs. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 346.37 349.36 Are you having a V. C. R., are you having you know which input do you have? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 347.41 348.29 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 349.43 351.43 Okay auxiliary inputs. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 350.26 352.13 Mm-hmm, probably colour or sharpness. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 350.88 351.33 Um. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 353.06 354.99 Yep, colour, sharpness. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 354.99 359.87 Um a lot of these things will have to be um free and open for users to define them. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 354.57 355.66 Sharpness. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 360.06 360.3 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 360.15 362.85 Okay what about uh sound settings? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 362.85 364.65 Uh d can you change any of those at all? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 364.63 365.02 Audio. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 365.19 370.05 Audio, we have like your basic y your base, your mid-range, your high range. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 366.83 367.56 Um. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 371.02 373.22 the the balance hmm. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 371.3 371.9 Um. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 378.4 383.6 like um the user could determine like a series of sound modes 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 383.6 388.33 and then what could happen would be um when you click on that then it would go to that setting. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 373.4 378.4 Yep, left-right balance, um maybe even pre-programmed sound modes 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 378.48 379.08 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 383.86 384.11 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 388.79 391.75 Okay, is there anything else at all it can do? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 388.95 389.27 Mm 'kay. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 389.74 389.96 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 394.67 397.13 Just need to know so I can write it down. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 393.44 394.67 That 'cause that's that's fine. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 397.13 404.46 Okay um right I g I guess that's it, so we can now um 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 405.74 408.04 We can now have a little look at the 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 409.24 412.35 the Excel sheet and price listing, and see if we need to 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 413.42 413.82 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 413.89 417.56 um if we need to rethink anything at all. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 425.61 427.91 Okay, just battery. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 424.94 425.61 No. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 417.56 423.2 So um for this first part here power-wise, have we got battery? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 423.2 424.94 Do we have kinetic as well? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 421.58 422.14 The battery. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 424.42 424.78 No. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 426.39 426.87 Um. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 430.48 431.44 We need an 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 433.02 435.99 Okay um what about the electronics here? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 431.02 433.02 And that's because of cost restraints is it? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 435.99 436.74 Advanced chip. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 432.42 432.75 Yep. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 432.69 433.07 Yeah. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 439.79 440.48 Yes I think so. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 433.96 435.94 Yeah advanced chip. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 437.87 439.79 Let me just confirm that. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 435.94 437.87 We need an advanced chip I think, yep. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 446.55 446.86 Yep. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 449.08 452.31 Okay um the case, what does it mean by single and double, do you know? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 452.96 456.68 Um I think single would just be sort of one sort of oval whereas double is this sort of thing. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 456.85 457.2 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 458.53 459.05 Okay. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 456.85 458.53 So we want double-curved? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 458.07 458.32 Yep. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 460.87 463.41 Um. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 461.72 462.32 Plastic. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 464.6 467.65 Is there any rubber at all in the buttons or any 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 466.19 467.65 I think we're gonna have to skip the rubber. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 471.93 475.2 So I'll have to put that Oh no wait we ho how many colours have we got there? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 467.78 471.93 Okay, um and we wanted special colours didn't we? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 468.84 469.78 Um. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 471.53 471.75 Yep. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 478.28 479.28 It's one special colour. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 475.97 478.28 For the case itself, one colour. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 479.25 480.32 Just one colour, okay. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 480.56 483.12 'Cause the case unit itself, the rest of our components go on top of it. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 482.4 486.96 Okay so interface-wise, is it this third option we have, the two of them there? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 482.76 483.03 Mm. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 485.65 486.08 Yes. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 487.22 489.59 One and the L. C. display. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 490.15 496.28 Okay and then buttons, we have what, two colours? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 493.68 494.33 How many 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 494.84 498.38 Um we have um got some push buttons as well. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 497.15 497.87 Or even clear. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 498.69 499.9 We've got push buttons as well. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 503.04 506.51 Like uh oh wait so push button and integrated scroll wheel push okay. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 503.47 503.67 'Kay. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 506.6 509.18 So I reckon we've got one button for this thing 'cause it's just one big sheet of rubber. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 509.59 509.93 Uh-huh. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 510.63 513.12 I'm not sure if that counts but 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 512.87 513.26 Okay. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 513.03 516.02 Okay let's just be safe and put like say four buttons for that one. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 516.74 517.32 Okay. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 517.76 522.75 Okay um and maybe a special colour for the buttons, so maybe four again. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 527.51 528.69 Where does the number four come from? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 524.78 527.51 So w why are we arriving at the number four? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 523.59 524.78 Four. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 523.66 525.69 You can see we're we're all very far beyond the 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 528.82 532.14 'Cause that's one button by its the complexity of twelve buttons. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 532.53 535.21 Okay right, so we're writing down four. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 534.09 536.65 So we're just estimating that yeah it would be less. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 536.64 537.22 Okay. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 540.23 544.62 Are we wanting them in no they're just is everything gonna be plastic? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 551.27 555.18 Um we're at sixteen point eight and 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 549.08 551.27 Now we're gonna something's gonna have to go. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 539.58 540.23 How about these? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 545.54 549.08 So we're w w quite far over. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 544.62 545.54 Okay. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 541.33 541.77 No. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 544.41 544.59 Yep. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 543.48 544.41 Yep. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 554.16 558.94 Uh how mm-hmm how are we going to achieve this high-end product if 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 572.77 573.77 My maths is all out. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 560.01 565.73 Well we h something has to go to the tune of two point t three Euro,
ES2002d H01 FEE005 565.73 572.77 so let me see, what are we I mean oh yes sorry, four point three. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 561.03 563.1 We only have very sparse 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 569.66 570.64 Four point three no? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 568.96 569.66 Two point three? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 573.89 577.36 Well we could take out ones by making it single curved, just fill in those bits. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 578.66 579.24 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 579.33 580.09 And then where is the 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 579.66 581.33 How much would that save us? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 582.78 589.42 The other thing could be that um you could take away the L. C. D. panel and the advanced chip together, um because when you 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 581.33 582.78 That will only save you one. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 582.46 583.02 One. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 580.6 582.46 How much would that save us? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 581.75 582.63 That is one. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 594.57 603.29 so the user could be looking at the T. V. and pushing his thing so we may not need to so when we scroll we need just some way to get the T. V. to respond 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 603.29 605.5 which I think is a technically doable thing so 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 590.86 594.57 do something on the T. V., the T. V. responds and reacts as well 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 591.97 592.29 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 597.14 598.11 That's fair enough, yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 599.15 599.42 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 601.34 601.66 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 602.97 603.77 Okay so 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 603.13 603.4 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 605.22 605.5 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 607.94 610.55 Um take away the L. C. display? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 605.55 607.94 So w what's our reviewed suggestion? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 610.5 610.69 Yep. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 612.69 614.3 And the advanced chip goes away as well. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 612.8 613.05 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 614.74 617.92 To be replaced with a regular chip. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 616.6 617.1 Regular chip. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 618.46 618.75 Yep. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 621.84 622.14 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 621.85 622.38 Okay. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 622.12 624.21 So what that means is that um 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 623.38 626.53 And so we've got point three to get rid of. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 626.53 631.48 Um and we ha where are the four the four push buttons are where exactly now? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 631.76 634.74 The twelve buttons that you see there. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 633.87 634.73 Twelve buttons. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 635.29 639.04 That's um one piece of rubber but it's gonna have twelve button things underneath so 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 637.6 638.28 Yeah. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 638.2 641.44 Functionally you're gonna have to intercept So four is a good estimate for 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 641.84 642.35 Do you think? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 642.98 648.92 Yeah, so you can't actually cut It's like three times the number of buttons, four, eight, twelve. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 647.71 654.39 Like is is that one big button or is it twelve buttons, how can it be something in between? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 658.59 663.49 underneath there's actually one button underneath, it's just that the panel itself is a single panel. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 653.07 658.59 It It needs to be more than one big button because if you open up your phone,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 658.82 659.13 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 659.54 660.12 Mm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 663.67 664.03 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 663.86 666.81 Okay well we have point three to get rid of somewhere. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 668.08 674.57 We just report that it has to be over budget, or the colours, you could take away s colours for th for the buttons. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 668.19 668.78 Mm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 672.26 673.13 No can do. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 674.83 676.74 Yeah we could just go with um 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 675.73 676.3 Yeah w 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 676.45 677.76 Normal coloured buttons. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 679.46 681.76 Well do you want colour differentiation here? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 682.2 683.62 No that's not the button we're talking about. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 683.62 686.08 That's the buttons only refer to the pad so 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 682.24 682.88 Um 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 683.24 684.14 Oh yeah sorry yeah then. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 686.65 687.8 Right so 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 688.13 689.79 Should we take that off uh? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 690.06 690.74 Ah. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 694.55 700.16 Um so then these just become normal coloured buttons, so that might be some some way of cutting the cost. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 692.39 694.55 Hey it's back to the original. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 692.44 692.85 That's it. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 693.61 693.78 Hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 697.36 697.6 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 700.48 700.75 Mm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 704.23 708.94 Um right, so take away that completely? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 711.91 715.42 So we do have point five Euro to play with if we wanted. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 701.56 704.23 Okay, ach that's a shame. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 715.42 716.38 Um 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 710.26 711.91 And now we're under budget. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 708.94 710.26 Ah. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 714.6 716.62 So I reckon 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 716.26 719.38 How about with embossing the logo, isn't that going to cost us some money? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 719.99 721.44 Doesn't say so. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 721.06 721.38 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 721.66 722.38 That's a freebie. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 721.67 724.14 Reckon that probably counts as a special form for the buttons. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 724.36 724.62 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 724.66 725.83 Yeah that's a good idea. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 727.43 728.12 Just one? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 730.58 733.15 Does that mean that one button has a special form or 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 734 737.8 I think there's just one button so handy. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 737.67 738.92 Well well there we go. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 747.01 750.51 which I think is fair enough, and so this is gonna be one big thing here. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 735.52 737.67 Yeah okay. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 738.92 741.24 So I'm just gonna have to redraw this now. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 741.24 747.01 So we're not gonna have the L. C. D. anymore, and we'll just gonna have an on t on the T. V. it'll show you what you're doing,
ES2002d H01 FEE005 753.01 754.67 Um. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 755.56 761.43 Was the goal in your in your prototype design that it be as low profile as possible? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 762.26 763.45 What do you mean by profile? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 762.65 763.2 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 762.8 765.14 Sort of flat as possible. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 765.62 765.87 No. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 766.17 772.07 You see I envision it as being um quite deep sort of deep enough to be comfy to hold in your hands rather than being wide and flat. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 768.84 769.1 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 770.55 773.49 Yeah that's what I was thinking, to Sure, okay. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 772.42 776.42 We didn't have enough Play-Doh to make it three D. . 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 774.2 776.09 Yeah alright yeah fair enough. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 776.09 777.05 Okay, just thought I'd ask. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 777.91 781.18 So there's one more dimension to the thing which we need to to add,
ES2002d H00 MEE006 781.18 783.5 and you might want to add in the report, length, width, and height. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 779.7 779.95 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 785.36 791.85 So just to well to be thorough then, width-wise we're looking at about what three centimetres or something? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 784.01 785.36 Right okay. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 785.24 785.44 Yeah. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 792.36 792.62 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 793.04 796.75 Okay and then so height-wise 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 794.83 795.36 Hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 803.8 805 About that big? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 801.25 803.8 How how tall do you envisage it being? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 805 806.87 About two centimetres, okay. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 804.05 805 Yeah it works, yeah. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 804.4 804.57 Two. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 809.29 810.03 Maybe a bit higher? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 807.14 809.29 Two's not very high at all though. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 809.38 810.86 This is about this is about two. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 812.92 814.45 Slightly more than two, so 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 813.55 814.27 Yeah. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 813.63 815.4 See, about that thick. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 815.37 815.87 Okay. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 818.04 820.49 Okay we'll s we'll say two point five. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 820.49 824.11 Okay um so we have it within cost anyway. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 815.87 818.04 Ach, that is Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 815.59 817.92 Maybe closer to three even or two and a half. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 816.92 817.4 Okay. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 825.65 828.83 Um so yeah project evaluation is this point. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 830.21 830.73 Um. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 831.55 831.81 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 832.83 834.78 Right uh. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 836.72 838.6 Okay so can we close that? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 841.7 845.16 Someone is gonna have to yeah that's fine that's fine. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 838.6 841.7 This is what it's the final spec that it's gonna be. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 841.48 841.76 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 845.12 850.06 Um it's probably just I dunno if it's worth getting into,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 863.13 867.12 and they have it sort of stylized or in different concept that that 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 850.06 856.62 but um just in in that we want this to be stylish, should we think a little bit more out of the box in terms of a button grid 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 856.62 863.13 because I've seen there's lots of devices out there that that instead of taking your standard nine nine square grid 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 873.07 875.9 The the look and the colour is something which is cool 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 866.32 873.07 I think that's something that's very hard to catch, so you you restrict the number of people who wanna try something. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 875.9 882.31 but I think that there's also that factor of if it's too unfamiliar then um because when you put it on the shelf 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 868.95 869.4 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 872.38 873.13 Sure, okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 875.4 876.13 Yeah, alright. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 878.95 880.14 Okay, sure. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 881.32 882.37 What about button shape? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 882.37 883.29 Square buttons? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 888.52 893.52 'cause I think positioning is we're kinda engrained into the the telephone kind of 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 883.33 888.52 Yeah button shape might be a good idea to change, rather than rather than positioning 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 885.65 885.99 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 888.03 888.34 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 889.91 890.31 Sure. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 892.03 892.59 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 893.23 893.51 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 894.03 895.22 Okay. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 895.12 895.66 pad. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 896.33 897.8 Right um. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 899.3 907.36 So at this point we uh, let me see, discuss uh how satisfied we all are with um 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 918.55 922.09 Um, let me see uh 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 908.93 918.55 with these four points, with the room for creativity in the project, and leadership and teamwork, and the stuff we had around us I guess. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 917.01 917.26 Mm 'kay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 923.41 924.97 Do you want me to d um 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 926.7 931.04 Do you want me to do my um design evaluation last? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 931.96 935.42 Yeah I wasn't really sure what that was 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 932.13 934.47 Maybe we should do the design evaluation first. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 932.5 932.89 Or 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 935.5 937.74 Yeah, yeah go for that first. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 937.74 942.65 I wasn't entirely sure what uh who was supposed to be doing that, but y you go for it. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 935.91 936.59 Evaluation. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 939.93 940.49 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 941.3 941.64 Sure. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 948.68 953.8 Um, this is um I'll just go over your head if that's okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 942.91 948.68 Um, alright so the way this works, I'm gonna need to plug into PowerPoint, I'll try and do it as quick as possible. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 946.32 946.76 Okay. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 948.49 949.04 Okay. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 953.61 953.81 Yeah. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 954.85 956.68 I don't think you need the power, so 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 956.75 957.21 What's that? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 957.89 958.78 No, that's okay that's okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 958.95 959.77 I don't need the PowerPoint? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 962.48 964.96 Yeah, so then you have a bit more freedom to 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 960.1 962.48 No, the power cord itself. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 963.47 964.01 Let me get that. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 961.8 963.47 Oh course, yeah that's true. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 964.9 965.72 A bit more. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 970.37 978.49 Okay, so what this is is a set-up for us to um uh use a kind of a like a 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 970.96 972.29 You you still have your blue fingers. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 974.77 975.26 Is it? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 976.06 977.7 You killed a monster. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 979.64 985.04 The idea is that I've set up I've reviewed all of the um the points of discussion from the beginning,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 985.04 996.19 and used that as a criteria of evaluation for the um uh for the current design uh th or the plan, and uh so we can review that. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 996.19 1003.13 Uh I think it's gonna end up being sort of elementary because we're sort we're in n we're not gonna probably use it to change anything but 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1005.48 1006.72 Doesn't seem like it's going, does it? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1007.53 1008.5 Oh there it is. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1010.93 1015.79 so this'll be a way for us to go through and decide if we're um sort of review where we stand with it. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1007.89 1008.95 Yeah, okay great. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1008.95 1010.93 Uh and I'm gonna write up our results on the board 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1017.49 1020.36 Okay, so um 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1035.05 1040.48 So these i these i th are the and um we've been asked to uh to collectively rate this 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1028.38 1035.05 one is v high in in succeeding or fitting to our original aim and seven is low, okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1021.99 1028.38 So to sort of b bring together two things, sort of design goals and also the market research that we had, uh when we rate this,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1040.48 1044.1 so what we can do is try and just y work on a consensus system so 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1034.11 1034.98 Mm 'kay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1047.27 1047.88 Okay? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1045.42 1047.27 we just come to an agreement. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1047.88 1051.93 So the first one uh, stylish look and feel. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1046.7 1047.16 Okay. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1052.71 1053.72 I rate that pretty highly. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1057.64 1060.25 I dunno like a six or something. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1053.81 1057.64 Well yeah, I mean compared to most remote controls you see that's pretty good. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1060.25 1061.17 What does anybody else think? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 1053.91 1054.43 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1055.15 1055.4 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1057.73 1057.96 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1065.59 1067.44 and I don't know if yellow's gonna really be a hit. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1059.88 1065.59 Yeah um me uh my only reservation with it was that we basically went with yellow because it's the company's colour 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1065.47 1066 Mm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1068.53 1069.45 Mm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1068.72 1070.52 But 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1070.71 1071.29 Okay. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 1071.49 1073.08 I'm seeing five then. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1073.14 1073.84 What do you guys think? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1076.7 1077.08 David? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1074.03 1076.7 I would say five or six. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1075.75 1076.07 Okay. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1077.06 1078.08 Yep I'm fine with that. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1078.1 1079.22 Okay let's go with five then. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1079.85 1080.41 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1080.5 1082.44 Fi oh uh just actually the opposite. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1081.56 1083.06 It's one to seven, right? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1083.14 1086.49 The So it meant three, okay. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1083.4 1086.13 Oh yes sorry then, then I would say two or three. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1088.35 1090.15 Wait, what's the scale, one to seven, right? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 1089.81 1090.68 One's high-ish isn't it? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1090.05 1090.31 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1090.29 1091.82 Yeah, one is high. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 1092.03 1094.93 Ah, okay so yeah, two or three. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1095.01 1096.12 'Kay 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1095.65 1096.69 Okay, it's upside-down. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1098.36 1102.17 Okay, um control high tech innovation. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1096.14 1098.36 Let's go with two point five then. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1103.09 1105.26 Well it has the wee jog-dial but 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1103.36 1105.13 We had to remove 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1105.16 1109.84 Yeah, so we've had to remove a few of our features we wanted, but jog-dial 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1108.07 1108.61 Mm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1111.01 1111.83 's good. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1111.03 1113.86 I'd go with three or four, maybe three. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1111.14 1111.76 Say it's more 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 1112.05 1113.01 Eight three. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1117.83 1118.05 Yep. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1112.85 1117.83 medium, but going towards a little bit higher than medium kind of thing. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1116.23 1117.44 Okay, three? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1116.9 1118.1 Yeah about three, okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1118.63 1119.93 Okay, um 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1125.88 1127.32 I shouldn't have said colour, but just 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1122.31 1125.88 Style reflects a fruit inspired colour, design. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1126.03 1126.46 Lemon. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1127.49 1128.22 Well that's kind of 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1127.75 1131.5 Okay, the blue the blue colours and don't re don't actually represent the colour,
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1131.5 1134.81 except for the b the the red button, they because for want of a 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 1128.52 1129.1 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1128.73 1129.11 Sorta. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1131.61 1131.84 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1133.57 1133.86 Okay. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1135.13 1138.25 But the yellow, I mean it could be a lemon yellow colour, couldn't it? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1137.24 1137.51 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1135.21 1136.34 Right. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1136.34 1137.24 Yeah, could be. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1137.41 1141.94 Yeah, the the yellow is more representative of the colour, but the button itself, the blue can be anything else. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1139.89 1140.24 Okay. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1140.24 1140.57 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1142.07 1143.53 Okay so we'll go two. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1144.93 1145.39 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1145.46 1145.59 Yeah? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1146.8 1151.5 Okay, and um design is simple to use, simple in features. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1154.13 1155.6 I mean I'd give that nearly a one. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1151.95 1154.13 Well yeah, I mean it's really basic looking isn't it? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1153.44 1157.69 F f yeah f fairly basic, you guys think? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 1157.85 1158.73 Yeah one. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1158.52 1159.69 Yep, that's fine. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1159.43 1160.83 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1158.83 1159.43 Yeah, one? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1172.08 1172.45 Five? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1165.95 1172.08 We've used mostly plastic in the end so it's going to be quite a bit of a compromise for price. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1161.85 1165.95 Um, soft and spongy, have we achieved that? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 1169.41 1170.74 Yeah I think it's about five. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1176.23 1176.65 Well 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1175.13 1176.23 That's really low. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1174.07 1175.13 Five? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 1174.7 1178.67 Yeah well we have to use uh plastic so it's probably gonna be 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1177.65 1179.52 Yeah I suppose mm 'kay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1177.91 1178.49 That's 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1180.05 1180.65 Um 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1181.59 1182.73 Yeah, company logo. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1185 1185.84 Was that an option? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1182.02 1185 could we have used an entirely rubber frame to it? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 1186.45 1187.76 I think I'd probably increase the cost. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 1187.76 1191.36 We've only got like what, ten cents left so 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1186.78 1190 I think it'll be cost prohibitive, yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1187.9 1189.09 It would cost more than plastic. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1190.15 1192.28 Okay, logo, we've got it in there, haven't we? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1192.47 1192.84 Yep. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1193.83 1196.16 Gonna have that on the side, aren't we, like there or something? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1192.83 1193.83 Yep. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1198.47 1201.45 And um it's within budget, yep. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1201.45 1202.02 It is, isn't it? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1198.08 1198.47 Huh. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 1202.02 1202.3 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1203.26 1210.32 Okay, so we can say then that uh out of a possible or what would be our goal here? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1210.67 1212.11 Out of forty nine, I guess. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1212.09 1215.23 Yeah, out of forty nine with with zero being the highest. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1217.75 1223.32 We are at uh two, seven, eight, ten, fifteen point five. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1226.68 1227.47 'S pretty good. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1227.03 1228.29 So it's pretty good. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1230.31 1237.53 Translates to something like about approximately seventy two percent efficacy 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1238.69 1239.81 of our original goal. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1240.96 1241.19 Right? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1242.24 1243.31 Uh yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1242.82 1244.57 I think 'cause if you turn that into 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1245.83 1246.41 a hundred 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1247.81 1248.53 it would be about 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1248.96 1251.49 Twice that, about thirty one. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1249.75 1254.34 about thirty one, and then invert that, it's 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1254.04 1256.69 So yeah ab well yeah about sixty nine, seventy percent yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1256.11 1258.56 Oh right, about seventy, yeah seventy percent. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1259.28 1260.09 It's pretty good. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1260.77 1261.96 Okay, good. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1261.96 1264.58 That was just a little formality for us to go through. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1264.89 1265.35 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1274.31 1275.65 No. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1270.43 1274.31 Sorry alright. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1265.75 1270.43 Yep, oh hundred pound pen. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1272.88 1275.5 Nobody saw it, honestly. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1275.69 1276.91 The cameras did. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1276.91 1277.73 Hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1277.96 1279.8 Is that you all have all finished, or 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1286.69 1293.15 I thought okay in theory this kind of a process would be about refining our design, revisiting our original goals. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1293.15 1298.28 It's not something I need to p push through, but I thought should we thinking more about the dimensions 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1280.54 1286.69 I did have one other um one other frame I thought, I mean I I d not knowing how we would deal with this information,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1279.48 1280.54 Yeah that's that's me. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1298.28 1304.34 um sort of like more of a three dimensional shapes as well as opposed to just that flat um 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1291.52 1292.15 Uh-huh. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1303.67 1304.05 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1304.47 1308.52 Could our design involve a series of colours so that it's more of like a line where we have like sort of the 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1319.04 1321.12 I mean obviously we can just abandon this, it's fine. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1318.31 1319.04 It's just discussion. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1321.12 1323.55 I'm just thinking about what we originally set out to do. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1310.81 1318.31 I dunno the Whatever just some theme and then we have different tones, lime green, lemon. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1308.52 1310.81 I don't know like the harvest line or the vibrant,
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1308.21 1308.34 Yep. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1317.83 1318.31 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1327.07 1327.47 That's all. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1324.79 1327.07 Um, yep so there. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1325.12 1325.45 Right. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1327.59 1331.53 Okay, great um are you submitting the 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1332.9 1335.86 the um evaluation criteria or am I? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1335.86 1337.22 I don't know what your instructions have been. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1337.2 1343.1 Um, I think to record it and uh I haven't been asked to submit it yet. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1343.1 1343.3 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1343.41 1349.84 Okay, uh just wondering if I need to include it in the minutes, because if you're submitting it anyway then Okay great. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1348.56 1349.03 I will, yeah. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1349.83 1350.75 It keeps getting too big. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1351.2 1352.28 Cool. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1352.28 1359.09 Um right, uh well next up then, because we've done finance, is the project evaluation. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1360.78 1366.16 'Kay I'm I'm listening I'm just trying to incorporate the logo into the the thing, so I'm playing with the Play-Doh as well. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1363.83 1364.64 Oh right, okay. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1367.38 1370.3 Just in case you're wondering, why is he still playing with the Play-Doh? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1368.76 1368.92 Huh. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1387.48 1394.51 Just about right L. E. G. O. Lego. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 1390.63 1392.2 My leg. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1402.27 1411.94 Um well do you wanna um just individually say what you think about about these four points and or not those four points,
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1411.94 1414.3 my four points, sorry, forgotten that. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1400.52 1402.27 Right, okay. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1415.93 1418.41 You got a different uh 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1430.12 1430.25 Yep. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1434.58 1438.18 I like those printer cables that just have the two little butterfly clips like that. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1438.18 1438.96 It's really quick. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1437.48 1440.02 Oh yeah, they're good aren't they, yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1440.02 1443.02 Right okay, um yeah here we are. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1443.02 1445.78 Uh as a note we'll do this 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1440.43 1441.15 To use. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1448.85 1450.99 Um do you wanna start Andrew? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1447.28 1448.85 alphabetically. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1449.8 1453.34 Sure, um so what is it you're asking of me now? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1459.72 1460.32 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1453.37 1459.72 I don't know, just um your opinion on those four those four points really and how we used them. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1461.28 1464.05 Well, is it uh okay I'll just go through your system then. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1464.05 1465.71 The the room uh 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1457.97 1460.28 Or sort of our work on setting this up. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1460.28 1461.28 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1466.84 1472.33 is fairly institutional, but um the main thing is, I think 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1473.48 1488.94 um our use of this space is more just to report on things as opposed to be creative and constructive and it would probably help to um have l sort of a cumulative effect of we have ideas and we come back and then the ideas are still in discussion,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1492.65 1496.66 whereas in reality as we've gone through this, it's not really the centre point of creativity, it's more just a 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1488.94 1492.65 you know, as in other words this this room is sort of a centre point of creativity,
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1489.3 1489.66 Uh-huh. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1497.14 1502.86 Well d do you feel though that that you were able to have quite a lot of creative input into the thing? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1497.66 1498.48 d debating 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1508.91 1513.12 and then we come here and then we kind of put out our ideas and then, you know. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1506.86 1508.91 it feels as though the creativity goes on when we leave,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1502.37 1506.86 Yeah, yeah but that's just the thing is the quest in terms of the the first point there, the room 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1512.88 1515.52 But I don't I don't think it means the room as in this room. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1515.52 1518.11 I think it means like you know 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1515.96 1523.21 Oh, oh right right, oh right okay room for creativ Oh right I just looked up and saw okay whiteboard, digital pens, the room. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1523.21 1524.01 No, of course, yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1518.13 1519.06 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1521.04 1521.27 Room. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1523.93 1529.68 Well I dunno do you th I think it means um I think it means did you feel you were able to give creative input so 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1522.42 1523.93 Oh yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1524.7 1525.05 Sorry. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1525.97 1526.13 Huh. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1527.22 1527.62 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1541.34 1548.15 but actually the guidelines are fairly contrived in terms of um okay fashion trends,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1548.15 1552.81 say fruit and vegetable colour scheme, but then i then we're told okay use the co company company colours. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1529.11 1541.34 Yeah I th okay on th um yeah dif answering the question uh in those terms I'd say that actually there's sort of a tease of creativity because we're asked to work through this 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1544.91 1545.45 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1551.94 1552.26 Mm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1561.15 1569.12 so actually the creativity was more more of like a um a f sort of a f formality then an actual 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1553.05 1554.05 So what do we do. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1554.05 1561.15 We're told okay um think in terms of style and look and feel and technology, but build something for twelve and a half pounds 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1560.79 1561.21 Okay. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1574.8 1576.25 The constraints do come in very fast. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1568.64 1574.8 You feel like you're caged within whatever y It's like a balloon in a cage, it can only go so big and not hit the side. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1568.68 1569.14 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1570.54 1572.85 Yeah within the constraints the 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1572.91 1573.28 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1574.55 1575.63 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1575.63 1576.1 So 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1574.94 1579.05 Okay uh do you know what, actually let's take each point and everybody discuss it, I think. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1579.52 1583.92 So still on the topic of room for creativity uh next up is Craig. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1579.05 1579.52 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1578.93 1579.12 Yeah. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 1591.17 1592.87 gotta cut everything out 'cause we don't have enough money. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 1584.55 1591.17 Um I agree with his point it's um it is quite a lot of fun t to go and then you have sort of hit the end then go right 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1593.16 1593.73 Yeah. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1593.79 1594.01 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1595.43 1595.7 Yep. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1612.25 1615.66 um to be evaluated, and to be reviewed, and to get feedback and come back. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1606.2 1612.25 Because for a brainstorming meeting you want a structure that allows you to allows ideas to get tossed,
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1596.28 1606.2 I think another point is that the meetings um are more brainstorming sessions than meetings, so time is also a very s um strong factor, and structure. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1600.43 1600.73 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1605.33 1605.68 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1605.67 1606.09 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1611.56 1612.83 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1611.8 1612.24 Mm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1614.62 1616.38 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1615.91 1622.06 And I guess that point about the room not being r very friendly to that, I think that's a very big thing 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1626.87 1635.12 right, and that but that irritates me right it it it does actually you know affect how, w whether you feel comfortable to communicate. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1635.12 1640.59 I feel like I'm hiding behind the equipment, rather than the equipment is helping me, and you know. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1622.06 1626.87 and I think the fact that we're wearing these things restricts I feel it 'cause I wear m my glasses,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1620.68 1620.93 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1624.16 1625.34 Yeah, sure. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1626.17 1626.54 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1629.53 1629.71 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1632.52 1633.22 New creativity. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1637.32 1637.49 Yep. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1639.75 1640.01 Right. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1640.02 1644.18 So you think a more relaxed atmosphere would be more kind of conducive to creative thought or 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1642.63 1644.82 Not not so much an atmosphere, the atmosphere is very relaxed 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1644.82 1653.26 but the the gear yeah you know that creates boundaries to that um and and the time the time given also restricts 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1644.92 1646.44 Yeah, but actual environment? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1647.53 1647.69 Mm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1649.59 1649.88 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1649.99 1650.31 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1652.01 1652.35 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1652.34 1652.83 Okay. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1655.52 1657.55 Um what about leadership? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1654.52 1655.52 Very good. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1662.54 1663.32 I don't really know. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1659.14 1662.54 I don't know if that means like, if I did a good job or something. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1663.03 1670.25 Yeah, well well I mean my sense on that is sort of what kind of guidance and direction, encouragement 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1669.6 1673.33 From like your personal coach person and stuff like that, do you think maybe? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1673.08 1676.67 Yeah from and you as well I think, just sort of acting as team leader. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1677.16 1677.69 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1677.84 1680.98 Um yeah I think I think it's I think it's good. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1680.98 1689.23 I mean my personal views on on leadership is that effective effective leadership sort of um gives people a certain room for freedom and delegation 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1689.23 1691.92 but then to come back with something that they take great ownership and 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1678.41 1680.52 Excuse me. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1692.12 1692.62 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1692.57 1694.67 you know, innovative thought with. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1710.93 1718.25 And so it is leadership almost to the point of sort of disempowering the the the team member, so 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1694.67 1710.93 In in reality I think here the the different elements of leadership such as the the original b briefing and then the personal coach and the and then you know having having you with your the meeting agenda is actually quite a quite a quite a con confining framework to work within. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1717.76 1719.64 Uh-huh, okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1719.44 1723.79 But it's not bad leadership, it's just sort of s fairly strong, you know. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1723.79 1731.56 It turns it turns the individual into more of like a um sort of a predetermined mechanism, as opposed to a sort of a free 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1730.32 1733.36 So you think maybe a little too controlling or 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1733.44 1735.48 Yeah, oh yeah, without without a doubt. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1734.72 1738.7 I think controlling is not the right word, I think the interactions are very structured. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1749.77 1752.21 like a consensus right, we go around and we think about it 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1757.61 1763.95 It doesn't tell you, you know, some ways that you might wanna be a bit more creative in terms of the process you know, not the 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1738.7 1745.9 I think structure is probably what you're saying that, each individual is structured to one particular task, and one parti rather than controlling. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1752.21 1757.61 but that you know process actually says you have to do it in a certain way. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1745.9 1749.77 I don't think there's a sense of control 'cause all the decisions have been made in terms of a,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1736.69 1738.08 Yeah maybe not co confining. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1738.72 1738.99 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1739.67 1740.86 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1743.38 1744.46 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1744.24 1744.83 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1746.31 1746.68 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1747.42 1747.83 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1750.12 1751.07 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1752.43 1753.12 Uh-huh. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1753.78 1754.99 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1757.09 1757.47 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1757.33 1757.81 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1761.18 1762.79 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1760.55 1761.18 Mm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1762.79 1763.6 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1764.07 1766.98 Okay, uh what about teamwork? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1769.62 1771.94 Um did, you wanna comment Craig? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 1770.93 1774.53 Uh, reckon that was a bit hard because we could only discuss things in the meeting. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1774.7 1774.99 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1774.82 1775.64 Yeah. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 1775.97 1779.1 If we could just go up to somebody outside the meeting and have a quick talk with them, that would've been a lot easier. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1779.33 1779.56 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1781.16 1781.91 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1781.9 1782.47 Fully agree. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1786.62 1795.7 but um it just comes back to us so slow in the email um it it doesn't have a, you know, a messenger will go. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1781.91 1786.62 I think you tried to use the common share folder to to to to communicate,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1790.92 1791.55 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1791.02 1791.76 Mm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1809.23 1814.58 you know just like quick questions, quick thoughts, whatever, it probably would be bit easier. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1796.07 1798.32 Did uh did you guys get the email I sent you? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1798.32 1798.9 Oh that's alright. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1801.19 1809.23 Okay, um so um to s to to summarize the teamwork issue, saying that if we could communicate outside the meeting,
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1798.9 1801.19 I was wondering if that got there okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1796.1 1796.32 Yeah. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 1797.91 1798.26 Not just yet. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1798.19 1798.35 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1798.53 1799.56 Yeah, got the email. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1799.73 1800.08 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1812.34 1812.65 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1813.79 1814.94 Yeah, in it 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1820.36 1825.08 They don't support the team working together, you know, they're still very individual tools. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1813.99 1820.36 I think the tools that they were given, the tool set that were given to us are fancy but they don't support collaboration, I think that's the word. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1819.29 1821.61 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, exactly. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1821.15 1822.04 Oh right, okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1822.55 1823.77 Yeah, I mean if you 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1828.08 1843.84 w the way I see this i is that it's uh the the s the structure in which we've we've approached this whole task is quite contrary to the p principle of teamwork because the the tasks were d d sort of um divided,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1825.24 1828.08 Yeah, I mean sort of taking upon that idea 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1843.84 1849.94 and then the work went on in isolation I I don't know what you guys did while you were together, maybe that was a bit different, 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1846.67 1847.29 Mm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1877.62 1880.72 Um not that we haven't done I think the best we could have done. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1850.45 1860.2 but um yeah, but um but actually if you if you imagine not entire the completely same task given to us but us said okay 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1869.41 1877.62 To s to say okay go off and don't talk to each other, it's actually p sort of predisposes you to quite the contrary of teamwork. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1865.81 1869.41 and we sit here together and do it, well that's what teamwork is. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1880.72 1882.13 I'm not dissatisfied with it. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1860.2 1865.81 first thing we have to do is come up with um let's say um a design concept,
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1850.51 1852.26 We had Play-Doh fun. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1867.24 1867.78 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1871.9 1872.41 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1877.46 1878.17 Okay. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1880.46 1880.99 Okay. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1887.27 1896.27 Okay, um what about the you know how we used the whiteboard, the digital pens, the projector, stuff like that? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1882.74 1887.27 Right, uh anything else to say on teamwork at all? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1896.27 1900.61 Um did anybody think anything was like really useful, anything was pretty un f 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1886.5 1887.2 No, not really. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1896.57 1896.97 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1901.89 1902.48 unsupportive? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1906.33 1913.19 but it's um not quite as useful as to us as it could have been, maybe just in the way that we we use it 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1917.96 1924.09 that could have been up on a board uh you know as opposed to in like in text. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1902.41 1906.33 I think the whiteboard, for me, is the kind of thing I would use all the time,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1913.19 1917.96 in the sense that once we have an idea out there or while work was going on in between meetings 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1920.91 1921.58 Mm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1939.33 1949.11 but they use it as a kind of a context to sort of walk around and puzzle and and point and discuss and and and in a way everybody's as we discuss things in the in theoretically and out of our notebooks, 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1928.54 1939.33 I know that people who design cars and you know in aviation they quite often just have a simple like fibreglass prototype and it's completely you know um abs abstract from the final product,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1924.59 1928.54 Um, and then we could then keep our ideas sort of building on that. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1938.55 1938.9 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1941.11 1941.55 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1943.86 1944.26 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1942.63 1943.86 And point at? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1956.47 1961.73 like at one point I peeked across and looked at Craig's paper and I'm like, now I know what he's thinking 'cause I saw his book. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1949.46 1953.6 we're just we're actually just each of us discussing something that's in each of our own minds. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1953.6 1956.47 It wasn't until we had this here, you know,
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1955.02 1955.45 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1960.7 1961.83 Ah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1962.23 1966.57 But the b the b whiteboard could've actually been this kind of continuing um 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1966.71 1970.59 So do you think producing a prototype earlier in the process woulda been a good idea? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1971.22 1971.94 Think could be, yeah. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1982.76 1987.85 It will be cooler to have the whiteboard rather than the the PowerPoint,
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1972.11 1977.25 I think um the the focus of it a lot was the PowerPoint as opposed to the to the whiteboard 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1987.85 1992.53 or maybe the whiteboard and the PowerPoint in the same place, you know in the centre of the 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 1977.25 1982.76 and I think that m um is also does you know hinder us and things I think. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1975.81 1976.27 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1976.65 1977.67 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1978.74 1979.07 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1980.46 1981.27 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1982.74 1983.13 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1985.11 1985.48 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1987.94 1988.33 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1990.1 1991.1 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 1990.73 1991.13 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2005.87 2009.6 just 'cause that's sorta how we what we were set up to to use while we had our time. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 1992.07 2000.32 Yeah, because the PowerPoint was provided to us while we had time to prepare, whereas I can imagine if I'd been encouraged to use Paintbrush,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2000.32 2005.87 for example, or whatever, I would've actually used it, um 'ca you know 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2001.24 2001.5 Alright. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2009.75 2012.3 Okay uh 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2016.98 2022.55 And a lot of the information on the PowerPoints, I don't think, you know, we needed to actually it could have,
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2014.32 2016.98 'Cause the plug-in and the plugging spent we spent a lot of time doing that. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2011.38 2014.32 I think that there were too many PowerPoints in the meetings. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2022.55 2028.19 we could have gone through it verbally, especially my slides, I felt that they just you know as opposed to having to present them. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2014.1 2014.42 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 2014.11 2014.46 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2014.59 2015.17 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2016.05 2016.49 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2017.15 2017.62 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2021.66 2022.89 No, not quite. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2024.05 2024.3 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2025.29 2025.48 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2025.83 2026.27 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2027.33 2027.62 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2028.23 2031.96 What about the digital pens, did you find them easy enough to use? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2032.59 2036.81 Yep clunky. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2036.81 2038.66 Agreed. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2032.61 2033.9 Sure, yeah. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 2032.68 2033.63 Oh they're a bit clunky. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2037.65 2037.8 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2037.93 2038.41 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2039.35 2039.62 Yep. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2041.83 2043.95 Um 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2039.88 2041.83 Clunky, okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2041.21 2041.47 Mm. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2046.51 2049.62 'cause you're half way through a thought, and then you run out of paper and then you have to jump. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2043.48 2046.51 Having to tick it before you go off was a bit hindering as well,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2046.45 2046.89 Mm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2046.8 2047.3 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2059.59 2063.88 but then did click note, and so I'm quite worried that I've just written over the top of it or something 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2054.31 2059.59 didn't click note on one, then went back and wrote one tiny wee thing on the another page,
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2063.88 2067.29 but they'll have my paper anyway um and haven't done that since. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2049.73 2054.31 I know, I think at the very start of today I like wrote a whole load of stuff,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2049.73 2050.41 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2060.69 2060.87 Hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2062.9 2063.09 Hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2065.94 2066.77 Hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2063.27 2065.94 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2066.76 2071.05 But I think the pen is v is very intuitive, everybody knows how to use it, we don't have to worry. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2073.11 2075.13 It's about the best thing. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2071.05 2073.11 So I think the pen's good. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2069.94 2072.88 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2070.26 2071.53 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2074.39 2076.02 And o on the topic of the technology 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2076.02 2081.55 it just occurred to me that we actually didn't need to move our computers because each computer has all of the files. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2082.21 2082.76 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2082.44 2083.96 It just occurred to me that they all 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2083.51 2085.52 Yeah we only needed one computer and 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2084.9 2086.29 We only actually needed one computer. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2086.16 2088.23 Yeah, that's true. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2087.27 2090.3 If there had been a fifth, that coulda just been sitting there ready to go the whole time. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 2088.37 2088.75 Good point. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2090.04 2100.17 And the computer may not um be conducive to a meeting because um you tend to look at your computer and wanna have the urge to check something,
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2100.17 2101.53 you know, it's useful but 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2093.33 2093.55 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2096.84 2097.15 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2099.38 2099.71 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2099.96 2100.41 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2101.88 2104.5 Do you think the computers just provide distraction in a meeting? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2104.52 2107.63 I think too many computers are just distracting. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2107.63 2108.22 Um 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 2106.32 2106.66 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2107.28 2107.85 Okay. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2112.61 2120.59 like a lot of the stuff that was emailed to me I ended up you know like writing down there or something so I could look at it really quickly and not have the distraction of all of that 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2109.88 2112.61 I know I I like to have things written down in front of me actually 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2120.59 2123.02 um I don't know about anybody else. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2112.53 2114.05 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2114.05 2114.53 Yep. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2116.09 2116.46 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2116.8 2117.15 Yep. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2118.16 2118.75 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2122.39 2122.76 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2123.57 2133.3 Um what else uh any wh I do I'm not really sure what they're looking for when they say new ideas found. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2133.3 2140.36 Um I don't know is could you think of like anything else that would have been helpful today at all? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 2134.92 2136.68 Is this for the project or 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2143.98 2149.07 Well, the w main one for me is that uh the process 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2150.13 2159.9 na in a natural f context would not have been interrupted by this necessity to discommunicate ourselves from each other. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2160.58 2161.63 Yeah if we just had uh 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2158.98 2160.58 Mm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2160.57 2163.58 So, that's kind of a new idea for me is like just sort of that idea 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2163.58 2175.15 well you know it's kind of s hard to keep f working forward on a team a team based project when when you're told you must now work away from your team. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2170.21 2171.11 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2183.64 2189.3 and you can spend a lot of time talking about The only thing is though like when we had our meeting about the conceptual design 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2189.3 2197.36 I thought there maybe another fifteen minutes would have been useful there but um yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2174.86 2183.64 Yeah I I dunno I think it was quite good that we had time limits on the meetings because they really could have run on and like my experience with meetings is that they really do 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2182.23 2182.65 Oh yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2184.04 2185.26 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2192.69 2195.37 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2197.64 2200.71 I really thi i I think maybe if we'd like all been working in the one room 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2211.38 2216.96 just like you know a a milestone if you like um rather than having meetings, but 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2200.71 2211.38 and they just said you know like every hour or something everybody make sure yo you know just have a have a short meeting and then just c just to have like something written down,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2206.21 2206.56 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2208.69 2209.1 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2211.36 2211.82 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2223.91 2226.54 Thin Oh there it i Five minutes to go. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2233.34 2234.28 So now celebrate. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2219.12 2223.91 Um so in closing, I haven't got my five minutes to go. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2227.48 2230.82 Okay um are the costs within the budget, yes they are. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2226.54 2227.48 Wonderful. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2230.82 2233.34 And is the project evaluated, yes it is. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2218.41 2219.12 There you go. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2218.78 2219.07 Hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2235.54 2236.12 So it 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2234.59 2235.54 Great. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2235.62 2236.81 And we have Ninja Homer. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2237.21 2237.96 So now we 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 2237.59 2237.94 Oh yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2238.85 2240.86 Well apparently now I write the final report. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2240.86 2241.73 What are you guys doing now? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 2240.59 2241.44 Do we know what the other ones are? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2242 2242.88 I I don't know. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2243.01 2243.56 You dunno? 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 2243.23 2245.21 Oh wow. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2244.67 2244.84 Hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2245.71 2247.73 That is lovely. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 2247.21 2250.11 Hey yeah, I said Ninja Homer. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2249.94 2250.62 What did you call it? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2252.67 2253.9 See it looks like Homer Simpson 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2251.02 2252.67 Ninja Homer. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2254.26 2256.34 Huh, huh. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2256.34 2256.87 Logo. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2255.03 2258.98 but it's electronic so it's made in Japan. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2258.98 2259.89 Yeah it's just a logo. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2255.13 2259.82 So is that j is that just is that just a logo or does it do anything? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2259.82 2265.44 Just a logo and then like Ninja Homer, right okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2260.67 2260.9 Huh. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2261.58 2263.73 Ninja Homer. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2264.16 2264.32 Mm. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2265.6 2269.67 The the red is supposed to represent the whatever else you wanna print on the side of it. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2270.09 2270.44 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2271.19 2272.21 I think it's quite nice. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2271.4 2273.23 Fashion technology or something. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2274.04 2278.69 You can wear Homer, you can throw Homer when you're frustrated, doh. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2276.86 2278.65 Hmm, hmm, hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2279.57 2285.19 Oh no, that's cool, it's got I'm kind of I'm slightly gutted that we couldn't get plastic and rubber, I think that would have been nice. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2280.87 2281.35 Hmm. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2281.32 2282.05 It's clunky. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2284.92 2285.73 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2286.35 2290.23 Ah well, maybe from now on real reaction should give us more money. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2289.04 2289.44 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2300.28 2304.31 'Cause like you say, it's something you can put your hands on and feel and touch and get a sense for. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2304.31 2309.23 Like we were playing with the Play-Doh and the ideas came with the Play-Doh rather than with everything else. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2294.6 2300.28 It is useful and in in in in in in in um conceptualizing, in being creative. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2309.23 2310.44 You might wanna write that down. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2293.9 2294.6 No it is it is. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2310.44 2313.37 It's just, I'm just fiddling with the Play-Doh, and I'm going yeah yeah it's kinda cool. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2290.32 2293.9 Oh, I did learn something new, Play-Doh is useful. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2290.55 2290.66 Hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2293.64 2294.15 Play-Doh s 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2295.48 2295.86 Huh. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2298.07 2298.37 Huh. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2300.1 2300.69 Really? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2302.45 2303.48 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2303.46 2303.89 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2307.59 2308.07 Did they? 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2309.96 2310.38 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2310.69 2311.1 Okay. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2312.58 2314.42 Play-Doh. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2313.08 2314.03 No, it's true, yeah. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 2314.66 2316.23 Guess I'd forgot how good s Play-Doh smells. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2316.82 2316.96 Hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2316.91 2318.69 Yeah, it smells funny doesn't it. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2318.69 2319.82 Um 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2318.56 2320.5 And some Play-Dohs are actually I think edible aren't they? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2320.96 2321.98 No, all Play-Doh is edible. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2320.96 2323.67 Yeah like the stuff for I think it has to be, yeah. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 2321.71 2323.83 I think they're all non-toxic 'cause it's aimed for like two-year-olds. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2323.34 2326.44 It's just wheat, it's the stuff that your mom could make with preservatives and uh 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2326.46 2327.1 Wow, hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2326.58 2330.07 Yeah um so to wha what are your summarising words about Play-Doh? 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2338.77 2340.69 And it helps you to understand 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2331.35 2333.46 It's helpful to the creative process. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2333.46 2338.77 Um it engages all your senses not just your sight, but your sense of feel your sense of touch. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2332.17 2332.29 Huh. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2333.48 2334.11 Okay. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2337.32 2337.5 Yep. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2338.85 2341.65 Taste. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2355.94 2357.15 It becomes tangible. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2342.02 2342.96 dimension as well. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2348.82 2355.94 um even with a three D. graphic thing it still, it requires a lot of yeah tangible, that's a nice word. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2342.96 2348.82 I think that that's very helpful because it it starts to pop up, whereas on a piece of paper, on a computer, on a board,
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2342.94 2344.37 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2343.25 2343.66 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2347.76 2348.3 Yeah. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2347.77 2349.25 Mm-hmm, yep. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2349.25 2349.73 Yeah. 
ES2002d H03 MEE007 2352.26 2353.26 Yeah it's not very tangible. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2352.76 2353.15 Yeah. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2354.05 2354.8 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2354.48 2355.94 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2357.61 2357.94 Mm-hmm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2358.76 2360.01 Tangible. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2362.67 2365.12 Okay uh 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2370.26 2371.65 Mm. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2371.65 2375.69 I don't know if there's anything else we needed to discuss. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2373.56 2373.71 Nope. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2377.06 2378.41 That that's about it really. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2381.59 2383.44 Just sit still I guess for a little while. 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2383.59 2386.67 Do we retreat to our, to continue our 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2387.12 2390.64 I think we could probably do it here as long as we don't collaborate. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2387.52 2387.84 Um 
ES2002d H02 MEE008 2388.37 2389.69 r reporting or what i 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2389.81 2390.77 Well I dunno. 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2390.77 2395.28 Um I'm sure the little uh the little thing'll pop up any minute now. 
ES2002d H00 MEE006 2395.86 2397.04 Can we turn off the microphones? 
ES2002d H01 FEE005 2398.3 2400.86 Yeah, yeah if the meeting's over then yeah I guess so. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 5.63 13.18 Right, my name's Adam Duguid, we're here because of real reaction, um, we have in the group 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 2.13 5.63 Okay, well I think we're ready to begin. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 13.24 15.21 Oh, Ebenezer Ademesoye. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 15.21 16.8 Would you like me to spell that? 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 18.09 18.34 S 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 18.43 20.56 Um, yeah, go for it mate. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 20.58 21.52 Um, N. E. Z. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 24.41 24.9 Ebenezer. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 21.97 24.41 N. E. Z. . 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 24.9 26.16 And your role is? 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 23.09 23.7 E. R. . 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 26.3 28.26 I'm the Marketing Expert. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 28.5 30.19 You're the Marketing Expert, okay. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 33.33 34.18 Next we have? 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 35.15 36.29 T. A. R. I. K. . 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 34.34 35.15 Tarik Rahman. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 38.29 39.75 And your role in this is? 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 36.52 38.29 T. R. I. K. . 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 39.84 40.86 Industrial Designer. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 41.01 41.95 Industrial Designer. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 47.69 49.09 And, lastly we have? 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 49.38 50.77 Uh, Dave Cochrane. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 55.07 55.62 Designer. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 53.02 55.07 And you're going to be the User Interface, is it? 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 55.62 57.21 Okay. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 54.24 56.06 User Interface Defin Designer, yes. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 70.17 75.83 Um, we already got n through opening, and partially through acquaintance. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 89.05 95.87 but uh personally I think that the original is gonna be a very key aspect to this design. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 75.83 81.4 So, the reason we're here, we're gonna design a new remote control, as you probably all know. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 63 64.62 This is the agenda for today's meeting. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 64.62 70.17 As you can see, w opening, acquaintance, tool training, project plan discussion, and closing. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 95.87 100.18 Um, there's a lot of remote controls out there anyway, so we're gonna need something that's really gonna set it apart. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 62.12 63 Right. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 81.4 85.24 The very broad overview is original, trendy, and user-friendly. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 85.24 89.05 Course, we'll have to go into a bit more um detail than that 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 113.81 115 Um 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 107.73 113.81 We're gonna have the three kay phases, as you've probably already been told, the functional, architectural, and the detailed design. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 105.69 107.73 This is how today seems to be going to work. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 123.67 131.85 Second seems to be conceptual components, properties, materials, and the last one is a detailed analysis of our design so far. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 119.1 123.67 First one's gonna be covering the user requirement spec, technical functions, working design. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 131.85 135 Of course, you've all got the similar emails, I believe, right. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 136.32 139.33 What can I say? 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 139.33 143.47 Ebenezer, you wanna have a you wanna draw your favourite animal? 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 143.47 144.06 Sure. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 150.91 152.07 'Kay. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 147.94 150.91 Whiteboard. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 156.83 158.9 I will make this quick, since we don't have much time. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 154.61 156.83 S okay. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 160.33 162.66 Um. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 212.3 214.73 'Kay, so it's not the best picture in the world. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 215.35 217.16 Here we have an elephant. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 227.52 232.79 and I can't remember back when I used to live back in Nigeria, but I think I used to have a pet elephant. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 218.2 223.11 First point, begins with an E., same like Ebenezer. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 223.11 227.52 Also, elephants have a very good memory, much like myself,
ES2003a H02 MEE012 234.6 241.71 So elephants are big, strong and gentle, and they have great memories, and they begin with the letter E., just like Ebenezer. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 243.68 244.76 Brilliantly done. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 244.76 247.45 Thank you. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 247.45 252.65 Tarik, would you like to have a shot at a bit of artistry? 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 244.72 245.55 Thank you. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 255.89 256.69 Oh. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 256.69 259.02 Oh oh I think you ga 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 256.2 257.93 Oh, um, you can clip them to your belt. 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 258.29 258.95 Oh right, okay. 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 256.77 258.29 Do we take them off? 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 259.01 262.62 You should also l um have your the lapel mic on as well. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 260.02 261.73 The little 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 263.77 264.31 Ah-ha. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 263.83 264.33 The the 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 267.95 271.34 Yeah, there was this microphone as well that you 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 266 267.49 Oh that's good, we can clip them on. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 267.49 267.95 Okay. 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 273.26 274.17 Now where do I put the 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 274.37 276.12 Just um somewhere 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 284.51 286.64 Yep, the, it's just across there, that's it. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 291.13 291.32 Yep. 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 299.95 301.08 Is this supposed to be clipped as well? 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 301.31 301.69 I think so. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 301.95 303.92 It'll follow you if you 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 301.67 301.95 Yeah. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 303.94 305.06 Yeah. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 305.06 305.76 There you go. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 311.23 312.85 Should have good range. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 308.26 311.23 You can probably just stick it in your pocket for now, I wouldn't worry too much. 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 317.08 318.81 Uh, destroying your elephant here. 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 395.63 396.32 Uh 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 393.91 395.63 Uh, here we have a tiger. 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 406.54 410.01 just 'cause it was looks the best, the stripes, orange. 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 415.05 421.56 And uh they're just the most feared of of uh animals in the wild. 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 410.01 415.05 My dad used to talk about he's from Bangladesh so he used to tell me all about them when he was when I was a kid. 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 424.13 428.27 Didn't say an anything about me really but 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 399.52 401.6 They're just they're big, they're biggest cats 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 421.56 424.13 So uh that's why I like them. 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 401.6 406.54 uh I did a project on cats in the wild when I was a kid and uh it was my favourite cat,
ES2003a H03 MEE010 397.92 399.52 I've always loved tigers. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 426.3 429.69 Excellent, thank you very much. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 429.69 430.75 Dave, if you'd like to uh 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 432.76 433.99 have a dash. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 439.24 440.27 Um 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 564.21 575.35 The one f uh in fact this is a somewhat oblique reference in fact to uh well my I have a three uh three y year old daughter who h who who who is affectionately known as Miss Monkey. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 592.69 597.91 And and th th th th thi thi this one seems to have perhaps more attitude than most. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 561.23 564.21 Um, the monkey, um. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 575.35 577.97 Um, monkeys have attitude. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 588.74 592.69 Um, so I like monkeys. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 577.97 579.51 Which I think is a good thing. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 579.51 588.74 And I mean fr and from uh from the point of view of sort of the study of human evolution they and other primates are terribly interesting. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 606.19 606.62 Cheers. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 659.64 666.76 Also not quite as feared as your average tiger, but uh cats are one of my favourite animals, they're very independent,
ES2003a H01 MEE009 656.53 659.64 Hardly what I'd call the best drawing in the world but it'll do for now. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 666.76 674.43 they're snotty as hell at the best of times, and uh, what can you say, you got to love those qualities in an animal. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 687.11 688.44 Project finance. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 693.12 699.14 That's not a terrible lot as far as I'm aware, and we're hoping to sell them for twenty five. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 681.47 687.11 I think we've all managed to master the whiteboard there by looks of it, so, on to it. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 699.14 702.35 If we're aiming for fifty million Euros we're gonna have to be selling an awful lot of them. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 680.46 681.47 Right. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 688.44 693.12 As you can see, twelve point five Euros per unit. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 705.6 710.77 Oh, that was profiting, that was an amount, so that's the amount made, okay. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 710 711.12 Yep. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 711.12 718.87 Well, fifty million, and if you're making twelve point five Euros on each one, then, awful lot need to be sold. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 717.09 717.26 Yeah. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 722.26 725.84 Now we better actually just get on with the uh the meat of the project. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 721.12 722.26 Okay. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 725.84 728.59 So I'm gonna guess that we've all used remote controls. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 730.78 735.08 Any ideas of where you think a new remote control could go into this market? 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 784.33 790.71 get the uh re uh rewind the tape in the V. C. R. and get it to play once it's rewound, for instance. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 739.64 754.72 th there uh um at the sort of v very high price end of the market there's there's a em emerging market for sort of touch screen L. C. D. remotes that can be uh programmed in m much more sophisticated ways than sort of conventional models,
ES2003a H00 MEE011 769.66 777.67 but you can get integration between the different uh the the the diff the different things that it's designed to control, to a much greater extent 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 790.71 806.4 Um b it occurs to me there might be a niche for uh for a remote that aimed towards some of that sort of functionality but using a just conventional push button design. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 764.39 769.66 and you get a much greater degree um um I mean you get in these sort of three in one, five in one, whatevers,
ES2003a H00 MEE011 806.4 811.36 And therefore putting it into a um well much lower price bracket. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 754.72 764.39 so you get the sort of you get um you you can redesign the interface to your own needs, you can programme in macros,
ES2003a H00 MEE011 777.67 784.33 and you can have one uh you know one macro to turn the uh you know turn the T. V. to the right channel,
ES2003a H00 MEE011 736.97 739.64 Well, one thing I'm aware of is 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 790.07 790.66 Okay. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 821.2 825.7 But you think uh again something to control multiple units in uh a simple fashion. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 812.69 821.2 Okay, yeah, tha that's true, with the price range we're looking at, going for a touch screen would probably be possibly out of our yeah. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 819.18 821.06 Absolutely prohibitive, yeah. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 820.69 820.86 Oh. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 830.72 836.06 but something that could um operate between multiple units in a more integrated fashion. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 825.96 830.72 Yeah, I mean I wouldn't like to say you g I mean you get ones that you can switch between multiple units 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 836.06 844.61 Some and ideally something into which it would have some at least limited facility for um running macros. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 850.38 854.39 the T. V., maybe the sound system as well, all in one go, is that kind of 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 845.65 850.38 Would the the idea something along the lines of, one on button would turn on say the video recorder,
ES2003a H00 MEE011 859.98 869.17 or um you know you pr uh you press uh say the play button for the D. V. D. player and it turns the T. V. on and onto the right channel as well 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 869.17 869.67 um 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 853.68 859.98 For instance, um let's say oh oh um 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 874.81 875.56 Um 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 870.89 874.81 Okay, that sounds like a a good strong idea. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 871.65 871.94 'Kay 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 877.15 879.72 Any takes on this? 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 889.58 897.19 using the cable subscribed the cable providers, but our remote controls would get worn out really easily,
ES2003a H02 MEE012 897.19 903.3 and the remote control was not a great kind of keyboar, um keypad, for playing games. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 903.3 904.84 So perhaps one that was more um 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 879.52 889.58 Well um I've noticed that uh gaming c is becoming quite popular with television, um when I was younger we used to e play games using our cable,
ES2003a H00 MEE011 894.13 894.44 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 903.32 903.67 Okay. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 910 917.64 They they've recently brought out this new remote control, for people to set their favourite channels, or um to record things. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 906.44 910 specialised for game playing or interactive television. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 920.95 927.77 you simply stri slide a bar to say what time it begins, and slide another bar to say what time it ends, you know that's 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 917.64 920.95 Instead of people entering in what time things start,
ES2003a H01 MEE009 925.19 925.56 Okay. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 927.99 930.25 Yeah I've heard I've seen the bar-code design before, yeah. 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 928.82 929.23 Mm. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 930.23 930.51 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 930.48 932.41 Yeah, it's it's taken out the 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 933.87 937.79 Y you don't have to be uh really clever to use a remote control. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 937.79 942.58 I think for gaming, you know you want you want some big buttons for up, down, left and right, shoot. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 944.45 952.37 Uh, you wanna be able to change angles in interactive television, so you need buttons to change the television angle, the camera angles and stuff like that. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 970.2 972.6 um, how the user interface might work 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 953.03 961.02 Okay, well we're beginning to run out of time now, so, we've got a couple of ideas, we can we'll have to work fast,
ES2003a H01 MEE009 961.02 970.2 um, alright as you can see we've got thirty minutes until the next meeting, so we'll have to try and decide on some of the basic functionality,
ES2003a H01 MEE009 972.6 979.4 that'll be a key aspect especially if the idea of um some kind of macros facility because you have to program it,
ES2003a H01 MEE009 979.4 983.25 you have to have a lot of response back, or at least some kind. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 983.25 984.01 Um 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 953.24 953.59 'Kay. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 955.24 955.5 Yeah. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 982.47 982.8 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 986.88 990.5 And we're gonna maybe n try and have to figure out 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 991.23 992.37 What the user wants uh. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 992.08 994.44 what the user wants, yes. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 996.83 1001.2 Has anybody got anything they'd like to add at this stage, anything they think that might have been missed so far? 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 994.44 996.83 Um, right. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 993.45 993.78 Okay. 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 1002.36 1005.98 Well when you're talking about gaming and stuff, do you think they should have some sort of 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 1007.25 1009.3 stick on it, rather than buttons? 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 1009.44 1010.32 Okay,. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 1008.75 1009.44 Oh. 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 1010.16 1015.55 Like uh control pads, you know of games, but or is that a bit ridiculous? 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 1013.59 1013.84 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 1016.96 1023.29 I I don't see why not, almost everybody is probably used to a console by now, and all of them incorporate small keypads on them,
ES2003a H01 MEE009 1023.29 1030.74 in fact even the mobile phones these days are beginning to use them as well, so it's probably an interface that most people are used to. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 1030.74 1031.32 Um 
ES2003a H03 MEE010 1026.16 1026.51 Yeah. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 1033.18 1037.74 and that could allow n easy navigation, used as a joystick as well. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 1060.06 1066.44 But of course, uh al al also allows for the possibility of a more sort of 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 1055.3 1060.06 something that just fits fits as comfortably as possible into the hand. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 1045.78 1046.04 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 1046.04 1055.3 The other key feature that uh that would be a good idea built into it is t is is to make something you know fairly sort of ergonomic 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 1068.07 1070.68 slightly unconventional or attractive uh 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 1072.45 1074.55 sha shape for it overall,. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 1072.5 1072.89 Okay. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 1075.58 1081.24 So, small, stylish, and something that's just a little different. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 1080.04 1083.85 Something sort of sort of sl slightly sort of biomorphic in form 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 1077.08 1080.04 A curve, mm-hmm. 
ES2003a H00 MEE011 1083.85 1088.16 uh which it would need to be to sort of conform to the shape of the hand more efficiently anyway. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 1089.74 1092.2 That's definitely something that we should be able to do quite easily. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 1088.53 1089.74 Okay. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 1095.67 1096.92 Um, right. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 1093.27 1095.67 I would I would have hoped so anyway. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 1100.31 1104.2 I'd say we finish this one up, we get started, I'll get in,
ES2003a H01 MEE009 1104.2 1109.16 I'll write up what we've um kind of quickly done, and I'll get that out to everybody. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 1109.99 1111.08 'Kay. 
ES2003a H02 MEE012 1111.08 1111.28 So. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 1110.46 1111.74 Yeah? 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 1111.74 1112.11 Okay. 
ES2003a H01 MEE009 1118.69 1126.69 Um, as far as I'm aware we leave the microphones here, um unless we get told otherwise, and just take the laptops with us. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 4.34 6.51 Just put it on the deskt desktop. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 7.05 11.59 No on the desktop you'll find you should find that there's a project documents link. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 15.29 17.48 A well actually just there. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 18.57 19.41 If you dump it in there. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 17.75 18.57 That's it. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 17.48 17.75 Yeah. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 16.39 17.52 Project documents, yeah. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 19.59 20.32 What's your username? 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 21.55 22.21 Your username. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 22.6 23.87 What's your username and password? 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 29.12 29.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 34.52 34.74 Sorry. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 39.45 40.28 Okay. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 48.6 50.03 So. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 51.33 54.23 We'll have to flesh out some of the uh stuff. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 50.03 51.33 Functional design meeting. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 43.34 45.51 Right. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 39.61 42.83 Okay. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 42.83 43.34 Excellent. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 54.23 54.85 Um 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 45.51 48.6 Hopefully that's us ready to uh to go. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 41.82 42.21 There we go. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 70.59 78.62 joystick for user manipulation, um and ergonomics of the remote control as well. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 83.14 87.88 Teletext has become outdated due to the populat popularity of the internet. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 61.01 70.59 We introduced ourselves, discussed the possibility of a macro facility, interac interacting the T. V. a bit more, um mentioning of bar-code,
ES2003b H01 MEE009 90.63 91.32 Um 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 56.81 59.46 we'll start with the minutes of the last meeting. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 87.88 90.63 Remote control should only be used for the T. V. . 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 59.46 61.01 Not a lot thankfully to say. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 78.62 83.14 Um it's come to my attention the following. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 108.22 110.03 Now. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 130.85 135.12 Um if anybody disagrees we can uh definitely say so. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 97.04 107.12 Um also key is the corporate image should stay recognisable, um f uh your colour and slogan of course is down at the bottom there. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 92.83 97.04 due for uh time to market and possibly also cost issues. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 135.12 139.97 Um and hopefully we'll just crack on and we'll get everything going. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 125.66 130.85 So to the point in my opinion anyway that it might not be worth pursuing. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 139.97 147.35 Um I'd like to if possible hear from our Marketing Expert first, to help us gain an idea of where we're going to go. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 110.03 122 Just to say quickly uh I would have thought that only being used for a television the macro facility may now not be required. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 122 125.66 Um or at l its functionality would have been of limited use. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 147.35 150.99 So um I'll just load up your presentation from here if you want. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 107.12 108.22 Um. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 121.21 121.63 Mm. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 144.36 144.56 'Kay. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 151.21 151.62 Sure. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 155.15 159.76 Um, sh would you like to I'll just do it from here. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 163.47 164.22 Is yours the 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 160.27 160.59 Yep. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 161.83 163.47 Uh. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 160.59 161.83 Sorry. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 166.37 168.38 Um, try second one maybe. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 174.96 175.89 Try it, yeah maybe. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 176.2 177.37 Oh sorry. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 177.37 178.28 Okay, right. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 176.89 177.21 Yeah. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 178.4 181.02 Oh, I thought I put in my last name, I guess not, but. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 177.21 178.4 Okay. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 183.2 186.44 If you do you want me to just cycle through it for you or? 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 181.04 183.2 Uh if you that's all right. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 183.08 184.04 Okay. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 186.42 188.03 Oh yeah, that'd be fine, that'd be great. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 188.93 191.92 Functional requirement by me Ebenezer. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 188.03 188.93 Okay. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 187.64 188.76 Yeah? 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 192.78 193.84 Okay. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 201.71 207.9 We asked some uh open ended questions, just, what are your opinions on the remote control,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 213.81 221.18 Please bear in mind this is only a hundred people, so even when the groups are divided into fifteen to twenty five,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 194.65 201.71 Okay, so um we did some research, we asked one hundred people their opinions on remote controls. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 227.39 227.84 Okay. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 207.9 213.81 got a lot of re responses, and we asked some very specific questions, and we got a lot of good feedback. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 221.18 227.39 twenty five to thirty five, there's only maybe ten people fifteen people in each group. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 227.45 227.77 Okay. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 263.66 265.11 And if they do, not very often. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 243.65 248.23 Most buttons are not used any more, like you said, teletext is outdated now. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 234.41 238.17 I often lose my remote control, the back of the couch, some place,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 248.23 252.08 I remember trying to load a D. V. D. player recently,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 256.75 263.66 'cause you have to press the shift button to access the yellow buttons, you know there's just a lot of stuff that no one really uses. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 252.08 256.75 and there were so many buttons, it took me I don't know maybe ten minutes to to go through each button,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 229.08 234.41 So we got some the bad stuff we got, remotes are often lost. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 238.17 243.65 and even if it's not lost permanently, it takes me a few minutes to find it. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 315.02 316.3 Finally, my opinion. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 273.2 278.61 you have to hold down more than one key at one time to do something, they're just not great to use. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 286.58 294.26 Between the age of uh fifteen and twenty five, most people would be willing to pay extra for voice recognition software. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 302.76 306.77 they want it to be fancy, th they they want it to be different,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 266.88 269.35 Takes too long to master the remote control. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 294.26 297.7 Now don't get excited yet, I've got more to say on that. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 297.7 302.76 Most people'd be willing to pay for that um most people want remote controls to be pretty,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 284.14 286.58 Some of the good stuff we got. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 306.77 315.02 everybody has a white remote control with black buttons, and a red button and a green button, not everybody wants that. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 269.35 273.2 I've seen some remote controls that are big, they have a lot of buttons,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 278.61 284.14 We just got a lot of bad complaints about remote controls, people do not like remote controls. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 316.89 317.2 Yep. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 320.89 325.48 And uh voice recognition, the software, open source software exist already. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 338.2 342.3 channel five, channel seven, you know, how many, you can't have that many words. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 369.35 373.54 if you have to do that all the time, then people might get a bit fed up with that and they may return it. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 325.48 330.6 It's a bit sketchy at some times, uh, you're not gonna get good always accurate results,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 330.6 333.97 but for a very fixed number of words, you know you have,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 342.3 345.55 For a fixed vocabulary it works quite well. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 350.03 357.17 because if you have to to say som I mean most people use a remote control for switching to channels 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 318.31 320.89 The voice recognition thing is cool. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 357.17 359.53 and they say they do that about ninety eight percent of the time. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 359.53 364.47 Using the remote control, ninety eight percent of the time for changing channels, and that's for flickering through channels. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 333.97 338.2 how many different words can you have for a remote control, up, down, left, right,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 364.47 369.35 So if you have to say up, up, up, up,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 347.46 350.03 But after a while people may wanna return it 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 345.55 347.46 I'm pretty sure people would buy it. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 374.38 380.23 However, oh, because the voice recognition software exists already,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 380.23 386.51 there's no need to spend money on research and development, but this does mean the need for microphones in the 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 427.85 431.57 or shape, it it could be as fancy as you want it to be,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 399 406.89 Either you have voice recognition by itself, which I think is a bit impractical for like night time if you wanna be watching television and you wanna be quiet,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 418.02 424.61 But imagine you got rid of the regular remote part, then you can design the remote to look any way you want it to look 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 414.18 418.02 So you can have voice recognition and a regular remote. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 391.17 397.64 But if we do have the voice recognition thing, there's a lot of stuff that you can uh get rid of. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 424.61 427.85 because there are no restrictions on physical size,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 387.64 391.17 in the remote control, which is an unusual feature in my opinion. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 397.64 399 See, you could there're two options. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 431.57 435.33 you know, it could be like a lollipop or something like that, something weird like that. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 435.33 438.42 As long as the voice recognition stuff works, that's that's fine. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 406.89 414.18 or I don't know you have a visitor coming round and the remote's only trained for you, it's a bit impractical to have just voice recognition by itself. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 438.88 439.69 Okay, yep. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 462.81 464.09 Um, will people 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 439.83 445.43 So we have the three birds, we have the design, that we have the the fancy bit,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 445.43 450.6 right, the voice recognition's fancy, it's cool, it's different, it's radical, so 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 450.6 457.02 and then we have an extra bit I don't remember so I'm pretty sure people will buy the remote,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 457.02 462.81 but is it practical to have a voice recognition system in a remote control, I think is a big question. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 497.57 501.87 I think a lot of young people will buy the remote control, if they have the money, you know, so,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 487.24 490.92 they can't use the remote because they speak differently to you. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 501.87 509.19 do our audience have the money, but would they return it after a while because it's not as fast as pressing a button, it's not a practical. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 475.88 482.62 but for the first week or for the first two weeks are you willing to wait, are you willing to have a bad remote control. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 494.54 497.57 Uh, will people return the remote control,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 490.92 494.54 Um, how do you account for regional accents and stuff like that. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 482.62 487.24 And uh what if you have visitors come round, they stay the night, they wanna use the T. V. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 512.53 513.42 I think it's cool, 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 470.03 475.88 'cause I think it will the remote will uh get better over time with the same user user,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 509.19 510.47 So. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 465.48 470.03 will people be willing to wait for the the period that it'll take to train the remote 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 510.47 512.53 These are things I think we should consider. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 501.84 502.64 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 510.45 511.3 If you could uh 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 517.79 518.33 Sorry. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 515.62 517.79 If you could uh speed it up a bit please, yeah. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 512.6 515.62 sor if you could speed it up a bit, yeah. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 518.33 518.59 Cool. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 515.23 515.55 I'm sorry? 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 517.61 518.66 I'm about to end, yeah. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 517.28 517.61 Sure. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 518.66 519.53 I think it's cool 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 520.64 523.25 but there are definitely some considerations. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 524.04 524.9 Okay. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 526.22 526.8 Um. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 525.37 526.22 Right. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 524.9 525.37 Excellent. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 524.08 524.87 So, yeah. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 529.26 534.24 Hear from the User Interface Designer now I think might be an idea. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 534.24 539.45 Um, you've got your presentation now, is it on the is it? 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 539.45 540.03 Okay. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 533.28 533.77 Okay. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 535.28 540.77 How did where did where did you get all your in information? 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 537.66 539.23 Yeah, it's in the it's in the folder yeah. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 541.27 543.62 There was uh a website, uh, 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 542.72 543.11 Oh. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 543.53 547.85 Technical functions? 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 547.85 548.2 No. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 548.2 548.66 Yeah. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 544.84 545.21 right here. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 545.28 545.76 Ah, okay. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 545.96 551.21 G I started making stuff up, then I got an email saying 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 547.71 547.86 Mm. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 556.33 556.96 Okay. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 562.51 575.41 As um is uh the the the presentation is uh already slightly obsolete because I had in mind something that would uh be i be aimed at controlling multiple devices but uh there's still stuff of relevance 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 557.36 562.51 Okay, this is a brief run through of the um of the technical functions of the remote. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 575.41 575.65 so 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 575.62 576.88 Okay. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 577.98 587.71 I've looked at looked at a num uh couple of other uh remote control models just for an idea of basic design principles. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 576.95 577.98 press on. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 587.71 588.17 Um 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 589.57 598 and wasn't really satisfied by what I saw I have to say so this is more sort of springboard for uh how these could be improved on. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 649.74 650.48 Um 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 607.11 610.54 Um to save you getting off your backside. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 599.12 607.11 Um um basically the job of the device is to send commands to an appliance, in this case the television set. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 610.54 616.51 Um and there's two main trends in th in the sort of design practice. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 634.83 642.41 And most of these functions are not going to be used, it creates a rather user unfriendly interface. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 642.41 649.74 And on the other hand there's a user focused approach that pares things down to just what what is most likely to get used. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 616.51 627.48 On the one hand and this uh this particularly relates to its sort of earliest models where with you know i so so many buttons on it so about the size of the television set. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 627.48 634.83 Um giving you every possible function that the that the device has, the remote control controls. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 672.15 679.92 Um and if you if you if you are wanting to incorporate uh control of a D. V. D. V. D. or uh 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 661.03 664.36 And so you go for something that's fairly intuitive to use 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 664.36 672.15 and um well f the for the most part for T. V. remote it's uh tha that would be channel control and volume. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 651.88 661.03 With uh a and a and of course there is a certain amount of sort of loss of function here obviously, but mostly that's relatively peripheral functions. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 687.88 688.33 Um. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 680.92 687.88 V. C. R. presumably into that then there's a play, pause, stop, rewind, fast-forward, record, so forth. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 690.26 694.3 My own view is that we should definitely be going for a user focused design. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 713.98 716.97 So, something that's uh 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 694.3 713.98 Um but uh the pro I think the problem with a lot of the sort of user focused designs that are about is that they sort of make assumptions in advance about what uh what a given user's going to uh want mo want to do from want it to do most. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 718.01 720.99 something that is more programmable 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 720.99 729.58 that uh perh perhaps has the full range of functions available to it but you can then specify yourself what you're most likely to want. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 736.52 744.15 um I liked Ebenezer's idea of including a joystick in that and uh possibly a sort of fairly minimal number of sort of function buttons 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 744.15 757.6 and have a disp you then have some sort of basic display on it so that if you're um sort of cha changing from different modes for the device it'll tell you just exactly what uh you know each direction of the uh 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 730.62 736.52 Um so that those are then immediately accessible through fairly minimal number of controls 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 771.11 788.26 you know the Playstation control where you have four basic function buttons that are just marked with um distinctive uh geometrical shapes but the and then dependent on what you're doing with it what game and so on um those uh those functions are then sort of further specified. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 760.37 765.65 of the um joystick's going to do or wha or what each function button's going to do. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 788.26 790.84 And so it's taking taking the lead from that. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 765.65 771.11 Um, this is actually a again slightly taking inspiration off of uh games controllers 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 770.95 771.08 Mm. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 792.39 792.74 Um. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 792.41 792.7 Okay. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 792.7 792.98 Yeah. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 793.62 795.93 That's it. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 795.76 801.32 Um, if we could hear from our Industrial engineer, or Designer. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 795.04 795.76 Right. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 800.37 801 Yeah. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 801.68 804.42 Uh, I was still working on stuff, I hadn't got it finished. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 804.42 805.93 Um, alright. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 807.14 809.98 Click to save in where do I have to save it? 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 816.59 818.65 If you save it in there we can open it up from here. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 810.1 816.59 If you look on the desktop you'll find that there's a link to the project folder, or project documents. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 823.87 825.73 Um, what I've done with it, I'm sorry. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 836.13 836.5 Shit. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 843.19 845.07 Um 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 855.56 857.23 Are you finding it okay or? 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 857.79 859.67 I'm just closing it now. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 859.67 860.53 where I've saved it. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 861.18 867.86 Well like if you go to one, uh whichever one you were working yeah, and you just click file save as. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 864.4 865.82 that's it there, yeah. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 876.52 877.77 Oh right. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 879.22 879.56 Okay. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 886.28 893.39 Uh, right I'm responsible for working design, uh, this is basically the inside going on of the 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 909.49 910.34 So uh 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 896 900.7 So we have the energy source, we have the user interface, this this is what I've seen. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 900.7 909.49 Uh the sender will push the button, the chip will respond, uh and then the dig digital signal is sent to the T. V. . 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 894.66 896 the uh remote control. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 945.64 953.29 Um, so uh we need to I dunno exactly what 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 912 918.67 uh, if you go to next slide, you'll see you'll see uh what do we need on the user interface. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 918.67 929.12 Do we need uh many buttons, or do we need l many light bulbs that could be easier to uh to realise which appliances are on or not. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 929.12 936.85 Um,, or would that take too much power, would we need more um components in there to supply the power? 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 936.85 945.64 Um, the joystick is another thing, if we were gonna add that, um, there'd be more components to deal with that. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 945.25 945.93 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 961.35 967.27 but um obviously there'll be more details once we've decided what we're putting on the user interface. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 955.78 961.35 That's the design of the the the layout of the uh electronic design 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 967.27 969.81 So, that'll be decided, I guess. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 966.96 967.54 Okay. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 971.58 973.2 Uh, and the next slide. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 974.47 975.23 Oh, yeah 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 979.51 985.83 I just used the it was a mess, uh I was just putting adding it together at the end there. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 985.83 986.48 Uh 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 977.09 979.51 Um, if you go to the next slide then. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 979.25 979.42 Oh. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 979.42 979.71 Yeah. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 985.51 987.47 Ah, don't worry about it at all mate. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 987.28 994.78 Uh so you have the energy source obviously connected to the chip, and the user interface obviously contains everything. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 997.8 1006.59 uh will contact the T. V. and will have whatever device or D. V. D. player, the bulb will turn on to say it's on. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 995.08 997.8 You have the switch turn it on, infrared bulb,
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1007.4 1015.09 Uh, so do we need on the control uh different buttons to decide, or different light bulbs, would it be easier? 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1015.09 1017.56 Um, I dunno what we should decide on that. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1023.88 1024.83 Okay. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1033.88 1037.36 So, we've had some stuff put forward, um 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1018.35 1018.94 Okay. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1021.58 1023.88 Are you is it yeah? 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1018.94 1020.04 Well. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1024.83 1025.55 Right. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1020.04 1021.58 Oh sorry, I'm I'm interrupting you. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1025.55 1033.88 Um, right we can probably skip that for now. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1021.73 1022.74 No, it's finished, yeah. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1038.59 1041.04 along with the new user requirements, 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1045.41 1048.95 um we've had a lot of kind of input I'd say so far. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1048.95 1049.69 Um 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1080.32 1087.92 but these require a lot of memory and usually um state quite advanced processor requirements. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1051.14 1057.06 I hear what the Marketing Expert's saying about um voice activated control. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1070.28 1080.32 Um for example you see that there's fairly robust services on uh computers via uh via voice, I. B. M. do um drag and dictate 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1104.55 1111.89 however the idea of a joystick and then maybe an L. C. D. which has been kind of put forward so far, it's almost like having a small 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1101.8 1104.55 Um that's just my view right now,
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1057.06 1060.67 However I've got a couple of worries about that. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1060.67 1070.28 The power required, um and the ability to the cost, it seems like for uh an embedded system, this could cause us issues. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1087.92 1101.8 Um voice activation could be an interesting idea but I think that our Ind Industrial Designer would probably upon some research say that it's maybe not feasible. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1063.98 1065.39 Mm. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1063.32 1063.98 Cost. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1079.9 1080.11 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1100.72 1100.96 'Kay. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1103.18 1104.59 Mm. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1113.66 1119.52 T. not T. V. to say, but if you can control almost all of the functionality from the display,
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1119.52 1124.29 I don't know how much power an L. C. D. would take, but it might be quite low? 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1122.19 1122.4 Mm. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1124.33 1130.54 L. C. D. on the remote just telling you what's on, or uh, interactive L. C. D. or 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1124.41 1124.75 I uh 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1148.48 1153.46 and then evr all the other functionality is usually associated inside by traversing around. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1153.46 1155.83 That could be one possibility. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1140.91 1148.48 traverse maybe quite a few menus, if we maybe used mobile phones as a good example, they usually incorporate they have the keypad 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1128.91 1138.38 Well literally um if you can imagine the display maybe slightly larger than um those on a a mobile phone 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1155.83 1163.2 Um and then we could have like say the common buttons as you say, volume control, changing channels 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1138.38 1140.91 something where you can read an an um fair amount of information,
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1138.61 1138.99 Mm. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1152.82 1153.02 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1160.61 1160.86 Mm. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1163.31 1172.08 I I was thinking that the remote the um sort of default functions for the joystick would be up and down for uh volume, left and right for channels. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1173.4 1173.93 We 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1178.99 1182.74 you know, trying to get everything working, would it be a bit confusing? 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1173.47 1178.99 Do you think that people will get mixed up, like, they'll be looking at this screen and that screen and then,
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1183.07 1192.94 Um I think probably for the first couple of hours of using it um but you know muscle memory's a wonderful thing, um. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1187.97 1188.19 Yeah. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1193.86 1194.01 Mm. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1194.24 1199.54 And I think and I think that size of uh display was about what I had in mind. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1199.54 1200.85 Um though 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1201.96 1214.67 I mean I w I would say that uh we could probably probably be required to um mo most of the mobile phone displays you see these days are colour but we should probably try to stick to black and white. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1214.67 1217.54 Si si simply to keep m keep the unit cost down. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1213.47 1215.41 I would agree with you. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1228.85 1231.73 you know, oh colour's out, we'll have to replace it won't we. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1231.73 1232.84 It does nothing extra. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1218.14 1228.85 Um I mean colour could be a sort of subsequent development but uh you know cost a bit of extra money f w w w w w once everyone's got the first,
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1238.74 1241.69 Um now I mean I don't sorry, go for it. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1230.27 1233.46 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1233.46 1238.74 That would be my feeling as well, I think we could possibly create quite a useful user interface. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1239.21 1250.5 Sure but the idea of a remote with a menu or and a joystick I think like I h if I was in the habit of buying remote controls then I would want one,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1260.3 1263.73 You know, you know what I'm saying, like, for whom is this intended? 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1254.66 1260.3 like what is our target audience, what niche are niche are we trying to market and corner. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1250.5 1254.66 but I think we don't have a specific audience, you know,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1263.73 1264.34 Everybody? 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1288.23 1291.58 But that does cover a very large section of the people out there. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1282.01 1288.23 we might be s you know um we're kind of almost relying on their experience with a mobile phone I suppose. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1277.58 1282.01 Um, if we are if we were to follow that avenue 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1273.33 1277.58 And that might be just another way of saying try to target most people. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1268.22 1273.33 I think it could probably be aimed at most people who've used a mobile. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1276.64 1277.41 Most people, yeah. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1277.76 1278.15 Mm. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1287.74 1287.95 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1291.6 1291.92 Sure. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1291.92 1293.54 I think that's fair yeah. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1322.05 1326.3 I mean maybe we have the fol um the joystick as a separate one for the other functions then 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1305.08 1314.68 maybe it makes it easy for them to figure out how to um change the channels as in the frequencies and such for reprogramming it. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1352.71 1353.17 I dunno. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1303.36 1305.08 Which maybe doesn't get used as often 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1326.3 1333.13 that there's just a a small number of as you were saying uh buttons that have already been defined. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1338.53 1342.74 So that literally anybody can come along, pick up the remote and still know what do do. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1333.13 1338.53 So like we go for the nice standard um up and down for and volume control. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1314.68 1322.05 Um and you can still have the main buttons that allow the people to turn the machine on and off, d up and down, it depends 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1342.74 1352.71 And they can completely ignore most of the functionality which would be for say the o actual owner of the the T. V. and who would normally use the unit. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1293.13 1303.36 Um, I mean I imagine as well that the actual L. C. D. and maybe to a certain extent the joystick as well would be for the additional functionality. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1293.26 1293.71 Mm. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1314.05 1314.29 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1332.12 1332.31 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1342.88 1343.12 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1352.27 1352.51 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1352.52 1355.5 Mm. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1368.19 1368.72 you could put 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1355.5 1368.19 I th the thing I like about the uh the uh joystick is that uh you you you then basically you can then basically put it I mean for for T. T. for T. V. remote alone 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1369.84 1375.68 um I mean there are like I say the the the main things people do with a T. V. remote control is the volume and the channel. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1379.15 1379.65 Um. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1375.68 1379.15 You can pack all that onto was onto a single control. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1378.6 1380.01 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1380.87 1385.08 But uh but the but then o uh obviously if uh 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1386.42 1392.13 you know if you i if you wanted to access further functions i you you then get to sort of menu navigation. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1392.13 1403.08 I mean with things like ch with things like tuning and channels um you know adjusting brightn uh brightness and fiddly things that no one really bothers with 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1403.08 1410.14 most T. V. s these days actually have menus anyway so this would be a fairly rational way of integra 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1406.83 1407.57 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1411.3 1415.88 integrating the uh the remote with the device it's controlling. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1415.88 1416.49 Um 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1417.76 1421.15 concern about our market. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1421.15 1426.11 Um, if we are I mean most of the uh 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1443.89 1450.56 Um, if all you're replacing is one of the you know however many remotes you have in your living room 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1450.56 1454.34 um you know you still need separate remotes for everything else. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1427.17 1433.67 of the replacement remote market is sort of remote control rationalisation. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1433.67 1443.89 Um, you've got twenty different devices in your living room, you want one wo y you want one that'll do the job of all of them. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1454.34 1457.91 I just think that uh possibly mm. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1437.7 1437.94 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1436.68 1437.7 Yeah. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1443.71 1444.62 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1470.11 1477.81 So I can understand your point, and I would agree with you, but this is our design spec for now. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1455.63 1462.1 Well this is a requirement that we have to stick to I'm afraid, this isn't one that I've just arbitrarily decided on. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1462.1 1470.11 So um this is this is one of the solid ones that has to be obeyed, for now. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1477.81 1479.29 'Fraid to say. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1479.29 1479.98 Um 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1462.02 1462.52 Mm. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1468.85 1469.3 Mm. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1480.28 1487.22 Does that um would that include um access to say interactive functions on digital or cable? 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1486.71 1487.88 Yeah. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1497.12 1502.95 Um I think that it I would say that the design spec we've been with is for the television only for now. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1489.5 1497.12 I would say so, yes, because then we have to be able to control the remote boxes, and that is a separate unit. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1502.95 1505.49 And until we hear otherwise we should go with just that. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1502.77 1503.02 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1503.49 1503.67 Hmm. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1505.35 1506.7 Okay, specifically television. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1506.05 1506.38 Okay. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1506.68 1507.15 Okay. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1507.15 1509.99 Maybe we'll hear differently, but for now 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1509.4 1513.6 So the joystick is just for differentness. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1514.35 1514.63 Mm. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1518.39 1519.98 Um 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1514.55 1518.39 It would be ease of manipulation of certain functions, yes. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1517.33 1517.58 Okay. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1518.21 1519.02 Just a thought. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1520.11 1525.83 Um maybe then our market should be T. V. manufacturers, rather than the public. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1527.62 1529.97 Try and sell it t sell it to them to supply with 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1531.83 1532.7 um 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1533.95 1540 B However I don't know exactly where we'll be going with that, but it might not even be the avenue of the Marketing Expert,
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1532 1533.95 There is that possibility, yes. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1540 1544.35 that might be sales, who are not in this meeting. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1537.16 1538.45 Mm. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1542.12 1542.31 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1543.72 1554.27 It's just, the way I figure it, twelve point five Euros per unit, we have to sell at least like three million or something like that,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1554.27 1559.33 not to account for all the the money we waste on remotes that no one buys, you know,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1567.23 1567.8 We just 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1559.33 1567.23 like if we made a perf if we made a ks for every remote we made someone bought it, then we have to sell a lot of remote controls. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1549.6 1550.31 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1562.69 1563.46 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1569.51 1571.41 Is this gonna be enough to to sell? 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1581.3 1584 Um, I don't know if it's a gimmick or not,
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1572.78 1581.3 Well, something else that you brought up was uh the ability to lose a remote, which as you said you've done, in fact we've probably all done. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1584 1590.22 but have any of you ever seen those odd little key rings where if you whistle, it will beep and you tell you where it is. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1580.53 1580.77 Yeah. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1590.23 1597.31 I had one of those, and my brother, and my dad, could have beat me up because it it went off all the time accidentally. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1590.44 1592.01 Mm, yeah, I've seen them. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1592.56 1593.12 Um. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1597.49 1603.39 Well the other option of course is that um the well I was going to say clapping, um 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1599.46 1600.47 The clapping one. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1623.65 1627.86 And that could be something could um separate us a bit. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1617.59 1623.65 Something which you when you press that, it would beep to give its location away, on the remote unit. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1633.69 1640 it would be a small transmitter, um watch battery type scenario I would say 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1613.1 1617.59 somewhere where there's a button, but maybe it's a button that you attach to the T. V. . 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1640 1652.76 or something that if it was problems enough you could actually even just um I don't power that might be something that we could look into. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1605.97 1613.1 Um digital telephones, uh for example, one unit has of course you have to have that base unit,
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1627.86 1633.69 And that way, because we're attaching what would be a small button to the T. V., again say what,
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1652.76 1653.59 Yep. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1653.59 1658.17 Yeah, it's uh putting a lot on your shoulders there, so I mean that could be something that separates us a bit from the market as well. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1616.44 1617.37 To a television. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1616.81 1617.19 Mm. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1623.33 1623.54 Yeah. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1623.85 1624.91 Yeah, I think that's a good idea. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1625.73 1626.45 Yeah, that's a good idea. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1652.19 1653.04 Yeah 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1656.23 1658.53 I think so, yeah. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1661.1 1661.89 So. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1664.53 1668.65 Um we have to decide exactly what we're going to do with the remote. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1668.65 1673.41 Before we leave this meeting, it would be best to say this is what we're going this is the design we're gonna try and get 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1663.4 1664.53 To go on from here. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1673.41 1675.22 this is how we're gonna make ourselves look unique. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1683.75 1688.67 do we go for a small joystick that would operate say changing channels,
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1678.59 1683.75 Do we go for maybe a remote contro uh sorry, we're gonna go for a remote control obviously 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1688.67 1694.41 up and down, and then, what, another button that would say that it's now being used to manoeuvre round the L. C. D. . 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1679.04 1679.23 Mm. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1695.42 1696.21 Mm yeah. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1699.28 1701.77 Should volume be important in the joystick, do you think? 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1697.67 1699.28 We're just saying volume. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1697.77 1698.92 Yeah, I think that's 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1702.02 1708.14 We could use say the left and right for changing channels and the up and down for volume, and 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1702.36 1703.07 Yeah. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1706.32 1706.89 For volume. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1707.32 1707.45 Yep. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1713.27 1720.83 Um, power is used like once per hour, channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight per hour,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1720.83 1729.21 that's by far the biggest one, and then teletext, is still here, that's like fourteen, and volume selection. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1707.59 1713.27 But we have a frequency of how what people use a remote control for most. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1713.26 1713.92 Okay. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1714.53 1714.67 I 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1720.02 1720.72 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1727.62 1728.19 Vol 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1729.37 1735.72 Volume selection okay, yep, the teletext we're gambling with, and we're gonna say it's dead, the way of the dodo 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1733.14 1734.67 No, yeah, okay okay. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1735.71 1737.4 Yeah, um 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1737.1 1745.62 So we well, sorry, we could maybe even go as far as saying power button, small joystick, L. C. D. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1745.62 1751.24 and then what maybe is it one more button to say that you're using the menu system 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1751.24 1754.92 and with the possibility of pushing down on the joystick to say okay? 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1756.15 1762.98 So we're having very very few buttons involved, but navigation around a menu for most things. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1760.08 1760.73 Actually how 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1763.56 1773.43 Actually I would say maybe two two function buttons, the y we're now using the menus button and um and an og and an okay button. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1773.43 1786.37 I mean certainly something I've found with the joystick on mo the joysticks on mobile phones is that a lot of the time th the device mistakes you trying to move it in one direction or the other for pushing down for okay. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1773.47 1773.91 Okay. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1786.76 1787.2 Okay. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1786.89 1787.97 Or vice versa. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1787.97 1789.37 And that's really irritating. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1789.35 1789.59 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1789.69 1792.89 Um 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1803.56 1808.88 you know something that can just sit comfortably in the palm of the hand and have the joystick just controlled by the thumb. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1799.84 1803.56 um, so we need to make sure that e even with the joystick 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1790.97 1799.84 The o the o the other dis design constraint I think we should bear in mind is that people are you know very much used to using a remote control one handedly,
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1811.22 1815.62 So um we're actually that sounds like a rough idea. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1815.62 1821.43 Do we incorporate the idea of trying to f locate the remote control again via a beeping noise? 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1809.58 1811.22 Okay. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1822.04 1822.89 Yeah, think so. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1823.06 1824.26 Do you mind looking? 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1823.56 1831.09 I think because it's so small it might be an uh I mean if we only have like two three buttons it might be essential to have to have that 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1823.24 1823.56 Um 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1833.49 1840.9 So that would require a um transmitter maybe attached to the T. V., just so that it says find me,
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1840.9 1849.22 and what, a basically a small microphone um on the actual unit, can maybe hide it in the base. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1830.46 1833.49 The ability to locate it again. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1849.22 1849.49 Sorry? 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1831.79 1833.22 Yeah. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1847.75 1848.85 Light bulb as well, no? 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1849.4 1850.91 So so a small speaker you mean. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1848.34 1849.4 Oh. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1850.98 1852.3 Speaker yeah. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1851.16 1852.61 Some speaker, sorry, yeah. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1853.56 1854.14 No. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1854.14 1854.74 To flash. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1852.8 1853.56 And a light bulb? 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1854.74 1854.98 No. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1855.75 1856.67 Um 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1856.65 1858.54 Nah, you'd see it anyway, if you hear it. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1857.93 1863.13 E us we might be better with the sound possibly we could maybe incorporate 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1861.91 1865.26 W those little key-rings have both, so 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1861.91 1862.3 Yeah. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1870.32 1872.35 The L. E. D. s can be surprisingly bright now. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1864.85 1870.32 th e the true fact, considering the cost of an L. E. D., we could just incorporate it anyway. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1868.64 1868.85 Yeah. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1870.3 1870.68 Yeah. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1872.5 1872.73 Yeah. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1872.68 1872.89 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1873.9 1875.35 Blue ones particularly. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1873.49 1873.9 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1875.35 1876.96 Plus that's a nice wee design touch. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1873.81 1874.67 Um. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1888.09 1890.28 Because we're only going to have a very few key and you've got 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1880.38 1888.09 your design um the user interface is still quite open, you could go for quite an interesting design. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1876.35 1880.38 So by the sounds of it, with what we're suggesting so far,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1877.24 1877.53 Yeah. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1888.16 1888.53 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1891.64 1894.76 you know a small L. C. D., joystick,
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1894.76 1901.14 e I think it leaves you open to a a potential wide range of shapes, something that can make it stand out slightly. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1908.27 1914.74 um and such, maybe if an L. C. D. screen requires too much power, or such. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1901.14 1908.27 Um if you could look into what we've suggested so far, the feasibility of um small transmitter,
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1899.51 1899.89 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1916.66 1920.28 Ebenezer, um, Marketing Expert 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1925.8 1931.23 I guess that's gonna be important in the ts defining the the software side of the interface, right. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1931.23 1931.86 You want the stuff. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1918.19 1925.8 Well I can give you the frequency, what people what options people use most often,
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1945.23 1949.21 I don't know how easy that will be within the time frame, but could be something we could maybe look into. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1937.47 1945.23 where of a joystick to control the very basic functions, and then the idea of manipulating it like you would a mobile. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1931.29 1937.47 If, yeah if you could maybe as well see what people think about the idea of this minimalist approach that we've taken,
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1941 1941.24 Okay. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1944.93 1945.23 Okay. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1947.86 1948.1 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1949.25 1950.34 Sure. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1950.34 1950.6 Sure. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1952.31 1955.3 Um any last comments that anybody would like to put forward? 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1955.3 1958.44 Anything that they think has been missed out. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1958.44 1960.21 Bit of a wide open question there of course. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1951.37 1952.31 Okay. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1963.16 1963.37 Mm. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1967 1972.7 Feel free to email me if you think that uh we've screwed something up and wanna get it rectified as soon as possible. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1973.06 1973.15 Sure. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1974.6 1975.18 'Kay. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1975.18 1975.38 Yeah. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1974.61 1975.25 Right. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1980.76 1981.2 And 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1975.74 1980.76 So I should just look at um the speaker, the speaker and an L. E. D. . 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1980.78 1983.33 Speaker and L. E. D. for locating, um, 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 1982.98 1984.85 Yeah, and a transmitter. 
ES2003b H02 MEE012 1983.38 1984.11 Transmitter. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1985.15 1986.3 transmitter 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1988.86 1998.51 Um, if we do end up trying to market this to television manufacturers then the um then the transmitter could actually be built into the television. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 1986.31 1988.86 Actually one one wee thought about that. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 1999.56 2002.87 getting the external power source, yep, that's quite true. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 2010.82 2018.75 The electronics could be s either placed externally or internally, makes no difference to the final product of the actual remote control, so that's good. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 2018.75 2020.98 Uses maybe gives us a new potential market. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 2004.28 2010.82 Um, and something that we can can easily be adopted at the last minute as well I'd say. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 2010.71 2011.02 Yeah. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 2015.17 2015.44 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 2024.42 2024.71 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 2025.7 2026.28 'Kay. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 2036.17 2036.91 Quite quickly. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 2026.11 2030.66 You know I think I mean if it w if we get a major television manufacturer to say y oh yeah we'll have that,
ES2003b H00 MEE011 2030.66 2036.17 save us the bother, then that's you know vast amounts of sales. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 2026.57 2026.91 P 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 2037.74 2044.01 Oh, one thing that we've almost not talked about at all, my apologies for that, um, user interface,
ES2003b H01 MEE009 2044.01 2051.44 we also need to maybe get the slogan in here, um it's, I'm pointing at my laptop, what in God 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 2047.56 2047.98 Fashion. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 2055.62 2056.6 So um 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 2053.21 2055.62 Real reaction, and such. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 2057.23 2061.21 The slogan is yeah, the slogan's we put the fashion in electronics, isn't it? 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 2058.33 2058.84 Oh, sorry. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 2075.91 2078.44 But it might be something you could consider when you're thinking about shapes? 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 2064.53 2071.08 Um, I think that's l almost the last minute thing we can just incorporate into the actual plastic on top. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 2061.66 2062.35 My apologies. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 2071.08 2075.91 So I'm not too concerned a that we haven't gone into depth about that. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 2062.35 2064.53 No it could well be, I've probably missed that. 
ES2003b H03 MEE010 2065.58 2066.59 'S also look cool. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 2071.21 2071.75 Mm. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 2079.98 2086.87 In fact we might like to put a slogan on, and um possibly the two R. s to signify the company. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 2086.87 2088.06 Rather than real reaction. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 2080.4 2080.9 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 2083.57 2083.84 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 2088.59 2094.81 I thought the uh the d the double arc could perhaps uh be the uh the enter button. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 2087.55 2088.28 Mm. 
ES2003b H00 MEE011 2088.28 2088.59 Yeah. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 2097.39 2099.82 And I'd say that that's us for now. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 2095.91 2097.39 Sounds good. 
ES2003b H01 MEE009 2099.82 2100.44 Okay. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 19.96 27.18 I think to sum up the last meeting, would be to say um the requirements that we've um set out. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 10.12 13.27 Alright, yeah. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 27.18 35.18 Those are we were going to go for what seemed to be a fairly minimal design based on uh a small joystick, 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 13.27 14.5 crack on. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 14.5 19.96 Okay so we'll start off with a quick overview of the minutes. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 36.34 48.01 L. C. D. and a couple of other buttons for navigation um with power being I suppose one of the main single purpose buttons. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 55.75 59.61 the idea to try and separate us and also because of the minimal design 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 48.01 55.75 Um we were also going to use novelty of being able to locate the remote control again via a small transmitter with any luck 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 79.76 84.2 Um uh the con today is the concep today. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 84.2 89.58 This uh meeting is the conceptual design phase and is um 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 72.06 79.76 So we'll just crack on, um like to maybe start with the Industrial Designer if it's possible. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 68.33 72.06 Um that pretty much sums up the last one. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 60.28 68.33 um looks like we'll be able to be fairly adventurous in the actual physical shape of our remote control with any luck. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 79.2 81.28 Uh uh okay. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 81.28 82.99 I'll just 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 95.87 102.02 And is to cover things like um what the parts might be made of, um,
ES2003c H01 MEE009 90.93 95.87 Sorry about this. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 102.02 107.84 can we uh outsource these from elsewhere, um will we have to construct any items ourselves? 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 107.96 113.27 Uh I have a presentation I just saved it in the uh the folder. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 111.35 115.34 Yeah, okay well I'll just uh I'll load it up then. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 115.34 117.4 Um. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 118.79 120.62 Which one do y 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 120.33 121.38 Uh. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 123.78 124.89 That's you. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 124.89 126.48 We've got trend watching, that's you. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 121.8 123.78 Oh, interface concept? 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 123.29 124 Yeah, that's me. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 123.75 124.27 Uh. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 125.66 126.58 It's uh 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 127.54 128.33 Components design. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 129.12 129.84 Components design. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 139.27 140.43 Okay. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 142.13 142.71 So 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 140.88 142.13 Alright. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 143.3 144.79 Uh. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 146.31 151.66 The case uh le that's what I wrote first of all, could be plastic our plastic. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 163.16 163.63 Uh 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 159.26 161.78 So uh we decide what it's gonna be. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 161.78 163.16 Probably plastic. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 151.66 159.26 Uh but later on we found out that um it can be rubber as well, or titanium or even wood. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 165.16 167.63 we need the infra-red transmitter. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 167.63 168.75 Get that off the shelf. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 168.75 173.97 Uh joystick we'll probably if we're gonna use it, um could be 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 177.79 178.42 Um 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 175.14 177.79 plastic w or rubber even as well. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 179.24 181.28 if you go on to the next slide. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 181.28 182.06 Uh 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 182.89 187.98 If you go on to f uh findings, it's like two or three slides down. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 189.43 193.18 So, this is what I found we can use. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 193.18 193.59 Uh 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 189.16 189.43 Right. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 189.21 189.8 Okay. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 197.08 197.53 Um 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 194.82 197.08 three different types of batteries. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 199.52 211.01 can either use a hand dynamo, or the kinetic type ones, you know that they use in watches, or else uh a solar powered one. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 208.55 209 Okay. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 212.16 213.13 Um. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 227.36 231.53 Is a kinetic one going to be able to supply enough power? 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 212.27 219.48 Now, the kinetic one, we've 'cause that's the ones where like you the movement causes it. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 219.48 227.36 Um the bat uh the battery for a a watch wouldn't require a lot of power, would be my one query. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 214.95 215.93 Cost is 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 218.12 218.83 Yeah. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 218.3 218.56 Yeah. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 227.38 227.79 Mm. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 232.63 234.77 There's also a watch moves around a great deal more. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 232.72 233.18 Do you think? 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 232.85 233.52 Uh. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 234.89 236.78 Yeah. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 235.6 235.81 W 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 238.74 239.23 Um. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 236.02 238.74 Yeah, I don't think it would. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 241.56 243.9 And solar cells, I dunno about that. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 243.57 245.31 yeah. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 245.79 246.21 Uh. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 247.99 251.15 We should probably just use conventional batteries. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 252.1 252.73 Um, 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 253.84 255.36 just like in usual remote controls. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 256.16 259.54 Which I suppose as well would allow us to go off the shelf again, you'd say? 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 256.45 256.88 Um. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 259.56 259.79 Yeah. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 261.2 261.7 Um. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 275.1 283.83 Um the materials are tha there as you can see, but uh you can't have a titanium one for a double curved, uh which would be 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 262.33 268.25 And these are three different types of or two different types three different types of shapes you can have. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 268.25 275.1 Uh one is a flat one, and then more original ones are single curved one or one with a double curved. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 282.83 286.24 Titanium, the really strong metal, titanium? 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 286.24 287.76 Is it not also it's expensive? 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 285.52 287.36 Yeah, and light. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 290.83 293.1 They make mountain bikes out of that, don't they. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 288.37 290.83 Uh, i think so as well, yeah. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 293.1 294.39 So it's really light as well. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 290.98 292.72 Um. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 292.72 293.02 Um. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 305.45 310.97 I you don't doesn't have to be perfect, it's just 'cause I'm not quite sure if I understand the difference between the two. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 300.02 302.95 would you be able to give an example? 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 294.48 295.22 Curious. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 295.22 300.02 Um, I don't know if you'd be able to off the top of your head or not, the single curved and double curved 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 302.95 305.45 Um could you maybe draw something? 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 302.3 302.94 Um. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 303.58 305.61 T yeah. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 310.45 311.02 Uh. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 313.76 314.18 Well 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 326.75 328.18 Joystick here. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 315.54 322.25 for a curved, well I was thinking to f for to sit in your the palm of your hand. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 322.25 326.75 Uh maybe like this, with the uh joy pad here. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 328.18 328.89 And maybe 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 330.63 331.21 um 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 333.28 337.88 an okay button around here, so that the thumb can uh use it quite easily. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 337.88 340.25 Um I don't exactly 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 341.28 343.14 Double curved. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 345.9 347.82 Uh whereas a single curved would be 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 343.14 345.9 It probably means this is probably double curved. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 351.11 351.63 like that. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 352.58 353.04 I guess. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 354.61 355.49 Or not necessarily. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 356.23 360.68 So it might literally just be okay. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 357.88 358.75 Two curves. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 360.87 361.87 Yeah like that. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 363.6 364.11 Um 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 361.87 363.6 Whereas this is two curves. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 370.24 376.55 Um which obviously it looks better than the single curve, but uh you can't have it in titanium, which is 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 365.61 370.24 so I guess that's what they mean by uh double curve. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 367.37 367.92 Alright. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 378.06 378.53 uh 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 379.96 380.8 a nice material. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 382.78 383.68 Uh 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 383.02 383.21 Mm. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 392.79 394 Uh but 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 384.82 392.79 and for the buttons, um it can have the scroll wheel which they use in mouses for com P. C. s. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 396.24 398.73 um it requires a 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 399.84 404.53 more expensive chip to use, and if you wanna use L. C. D. it's even more expensive. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 404.53 407.81 So you have to decide, there's trade-offs there. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 407.81 408.29 Um 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 417.88 426.92 But you're gonna ha I reckon you're gonna have to have uh key a number keypad anyway for the amount of channels these days. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 408.98 417.88 if you want the buttons to be oh yeah, if you have a double curve uh control and it's rubber, then you have these rubber buttons as well. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 426.92 430.04 You wouldn't want to just have to scroll through all the channels to get to the one you want. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 432.49 432.86 So 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 430.04 432.49 You wanna enter just the number of it, if you know it. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 434.06 438.16 um I reckon we're gonna have to have a number keypad anyway. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 439.84 440.48 Do you think? 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 441.2 447.45 Okay, that was definitely something we can talk about. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 447.45 452.98 Um so you've got a little bit about the the chip that we might require as well? 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 452.61 452.98 Yeah. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 455.03 455.63 So, 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 457.53 458.27 depends where 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 460.66 461.63 gonna spend the money 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 463.22 465.66 if you want the f fancy L. C. D. display. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 471.65 478.46 like when we're saying that we'd need an advanced chip for an L. C. D., does that in shoot the cost up by a drastic amount? 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 468.42 471.65 Um, do you have any idea so far,
ES2003c H01 MEE009 478.46 479.02 Or? 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 481.18 481.79 Is that did I 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 478.79 481.18 Need an advanced chip for the L. C. D. . 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 482.35 485.43 Well I think compared to say just pressing buttons. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 483.01 483.46 Yep. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 486.27 488.78 Advanced, like three eight six advance. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 497.65 502.83 Just compared to the chip you would use for pushing buttons I think is the the point being made. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 487.1 497.65 if you press a button that sends a certain transmission through the infra-red, whereas I think if we're controlling the L. C. D. we definitely require a much more powerful chip. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 504.52 506.3 Yeah? 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 506.3 510.21 Okay, um should I go on, or go back? 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 502.83 504.52 If I've not over-stepped. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 497.42 497.72 Okay. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 501.64 502.46 Okay, sure. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 502.54 502.7 Mm. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 504.57 505.21 Yeah i 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 509.21 509.79 Um 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 512.79 514.91 Mm, if we only have twelve Pounds fifty, 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 516.16 518.45 twelve Euros, not even twelve Pounds. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 518.45 521.41 Twelve Euros, what's that, like eight pounds or something like that, nine Pounds? 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 531.48 532.79 So, sorry. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 529.27 531.48 We have to look into the costs of those. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 528.34 529.27 I assume. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 522.29 528.34 Well we'd also be relying on the um the bulk buying in producement and such. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 527.79 528.73 Okay, that's good point. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 532.47 539.64 Uh the previous slides just explain what's in the internal components of the uh remote control. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 539.64 543.79 If you go to the one before that uh so it just says what it does 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 543.79 548.6 translate the key press into an infra-red signal and this is received by the T. V. . 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 548.6 556.33 Uh the chip just needs to detect the signal or detect the key press and then uh it'll send it to the tr the amplifier. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 557.04 557.54 Okay. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 558.87 563.51 And uh then the next slide just shows how the uh copper wires 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 564.85 568.73 uh interact with the buttons, the rubber buttons, uh 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 570.48 572.98 to uh get sent to the chip. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 575.5 578.16 So that's just how the control works inside. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 580.49 581.97 Um we have to decide on what 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 583.16 584.23 buttons we're gonna use. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 587.88 588.55 Um. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 586.45 587.88 Okay. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 595.16 604.59 So in the information that you've been supplied, how feasible would you say that the idea of using an L. C. D. looks? 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 605.32 605.91 Um 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 607.54 614.97 I think we can do it if uh we use conventional batteries and not have solar cells or kinetic. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 614.97 617.34 Um and then 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 618.66 622.88 maybe use single curved uh case. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 623.94 626.44 Because we might need it to be curved for the uh 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 630.74 631.16 Um 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 627.49 630.74 thumb to use the joyst joystick easily. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 633.33 635.91 and then you'll need the advanced chip obviously for the L. C. D. . 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 638.57 641.47 Um I mean that sounds like quite a good requirement to me. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 641.47 644.45 Um conventional battery would seem to make sense. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 644.45 651.29 Um I'm not sure if there's any cost differences between single and double curved and I'm I don't know about anybody else 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 651.29 658.39 but plastic or rubber as a traditional form of casing would seem to be a good way forward? 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 644.62 644.91 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 656.71 656.9 Mm. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 658.21 667.86 Um I'm actually gonna be bold and go oo go straight for rubber um for reasons I'll go into uh in more detail. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 665.99 666.39 Okay. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 666.85 669.03 I also have a preference for rubber. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 669.34 670.89 Okay, well um 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 670.91 672.34 Based on my research. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 680.84 681.11 Yeah. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 678.41 680.84 Um sorry, as long as were you? 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 672.96 678.41 Yeah, well will we move on to user interface, and yeah? 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 681.11 683.5 Okay. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 683.5 688.55 Um and d d d interface concept. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 679.24 679.51 Mm. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 680.53 681.67 Yep I'm finished. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 688.45 688.99 Yep. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 688.99 694.85 Now I'm gonna have to work between the uh the slides and the uh 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 695.5 695.82 Yeah. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 695.83 700.32 and the white board 'cause I actually I have some fairly concrete things 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 702.15 703.19 this time. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 703.19 704.46 Uh um I was given a 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 715.14 723.34 I wasn't very impressed by them and they didn't seem to re uh nothing I saw seemed to meet the sorts of design specifications that we're going for today. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 723.34 730.23 Um so what I ra rather than looking at other remotes, uh ra oomp be better to simply look at the human hand. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 705.22 715.14 an H. T. M. L. file giving um various ideas from uh from other previous remote control designs, and pretty much decided to just dump them all. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 744.79 749.84 Um so uh next slide, if you please. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 731.03 736.92 Um and try and f um and try and figure out a way of laying out the elements we've already decided on 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 736.92 744.79 um so that if r a if so that the finger is e each finger or thumb is wherever it needs to be already. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 756.42 760.89 two function buttons and the L. C. D., just keep it paired down to the absolute minimum. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 749.84 756.42 Um and what we've basically decided on was the the um the joy uh the joystick,
ES2003c H00 MEE011 761.18 777.21 I don't actually think we need the um the numeric keypad because if you m because one of the menus that we could have available um v via via the L. C. D. is one where you scroll through channels 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 777.21 783.31 so if there's something f and be bear in mind since this isn't meant to work for um 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 783.26 783.96 digital. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 784.06 785.34 Ah, okay. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 805.58 808.81 So it's not I'm not really excessively concerned about that. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 794.79 801.38 and then um your V. C. uh and then the channel through your V. C. R. and or D. V. D. player. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 801.38 805.58 And or um box. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 784.52 794.79 f f f for di for digital or um or for or for cable, whatever, you're basically looking at four or five terrestrial channels 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 831.78 835.7 um it needs to be ergonomic for left or right handed people. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 835.7 837.05 Um, so you 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 809.42 816.22 You must have two two modes, basic mode, where um the joystick's uh left right left right for channels,
ES2003c H00 MEE011 816.22 824.28 up down for volume, um and the uh uh and the menu mode for uh further functions. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 824.28 831.78 Um now the reason I was particularly interested in using rubber for this is that if we're going to have a highly ergonomic design 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 836.67 838.75 Can I just jump in slightly there? 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 838.75 842.45 That would suggest the double curved design's probably going to be most appropriate, then. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 838.53 838.78 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 844.29 856.04 Um, basi basically what I basically what the what be having um, I would say, the the whole thing articulated at two points 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 842.64 844.29 Yes, absolutely. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 856.04 866.09 so that if you if you're handing it from a lef uh left or right handed user you can adjust it so that the um the L. C. the L. C. D. and the uh 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 843.55 844.66 okay. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 868.4 871 The joystick would be in the right place. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 883.54 885.68 you know, soft to touch and 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 872.25 883.54 And also this is a rather nicer de uh design gimmick that the the um you know the whole thing you know it should have sort of organic feel to it that it should be,
ES2003c H01 MEE009 872.41 872.99 Mm. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 889.21 894.83 Um okay on to on to the next uh to the next slide. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 886.26 889.21 can be moved around all nice. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 890.17 891.56 Um, yeah. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 889.65 890.17 Okay. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 894.93 901.27 Just to let you know we'll probably be quite tight for time as well, because I think you've probably got a lot you'd like to say, I guess. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 898.02 898.38 Okay. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 900.95 905.05 Yeah, 'kay basically um 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 910.34 911.6 The um 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 906.74 910.34 I can add pretty pictures to this. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 933.44 942.92 Um and it would need t there would need to be a it would need to be articulated just below that so that it could be switched around for uh left or right handed users. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 922.66 933.44 the um the joystick unit should rest over the uh the joint of the f of the uh four finger so that it's directly accessible for the thumb. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 942.92 943.85 So. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 913.98 922.66 Assuming the hand the hand to be in about sort of this position, um hol uh holding the remote 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 950.71 959.04 You then have a grip section that can be more or less the same irrespective of handedness. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 959.04 965.17 You just have big two big buttons that cover most of the area so it can in the upper part,
ES2003c H00 MEE011 967.78 968.74 Um, and that 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 965.17 967.78 one for the four finger, one for the middle finger. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 968.22 969.34 Is this the joystick? 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 979.59 982.31 That would be probably the bulkiest part. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 973.41 975.84 This would be the actual grip. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 969.8 973.41 Th this part here is the joystick. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 989.7 994.08 And basically I'd want this to rest here, right at the base of the wrist. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 994.08 995.91 So it would fit just nicely in the hand. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 995.91 998.39 And again, this part could be 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 975.84 979.59 Probably where you'd want to have the battery as well. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 982.31 989.7 And you then have, at the uh at the bottom, the L. C. D., and this would need to be articulated as well. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 979.07 979.41 Okay. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1000.09 1001.87 rotated, so it can 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1013.14 1013.71 Um 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1007.35 1013.14 So so so that it can be adjusted to either left or right handed user. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1028.52 1035.66 Um now programming it actually thi this is one thing I've found with um the replacement remote control. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1035.66 1038.33 Programming them can be a right pain. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1017.07 1024.81 So the t uh the top function button in basic mode would be the on off switch and menu mode would be the enter button. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1038.33 1042.11 So I thought th the simplest way around that would be to have um 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1024.81 1028.52 And then the bottom function buttons switches between between modes. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1082.59 1084.5 Um. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1065.52 1078.22 Um though you i it would be necessary to have uh have a m uh have a ha have a mode for programming it without the computer 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1085.46 1085.83 Yeah. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1084.5 1085.46 But uh. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1057.41 1065.52 And you could download programs for it from uh for uh T. V. s from all sort of main manufacturers. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1042.35 1057.41 a cable to connect it to the computer some some fair iv fairly fairly simple software on the computer just so that you on your computer just so that you could um pr program it at a rather in a rather more comfortable interface. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1078.22 1082.59 uh just in case there are there are still people left out there who don't have them yet. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1082.48 1082.6 Mm. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1089.09 1089.74 Okay. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1089.33 1091.86 That's that's my idea. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1093.27 1094.33 Excellent, right. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1099.07 1100.66 File open. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1094.33 1099.07 Um uh. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1093.61 1093.76 Mm. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1097.35 1097.68 'Kay. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1099.44 1100.59 We go. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1101.97 1103.71 Trend watching. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1104.89 1106.01 Okay. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1109.35 1113.88 So uh to gather my research, two basic methods. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1113.88 1120.55 We compared uh whether people want the remote control to do a lot of stuff or they want it to look cool. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1127.95 1128.55 Next slide please. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1120.55 1127.95 And then we we research uh fashion trends in Europe, what's what's the new black, you know, as it goes. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1125.57 1129.52 Okay. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1130.02 1137.52 Uh we found, in order of importance, people want the remote control to look cool more than they want it to to be cool. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1146.21 1149.34 They want it to be that's sounds a bit like a contradiction. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1141.66 1146.21 and if it does do a lot that's a bonus, but they don't care so much, you know. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1137.52 1141.66 As in they want it to do a lot of good s they want it to look like it does a lot,
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1150.09 1155.11 Technology technical technologically innovative. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1174.69 1175.62 People want it 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1164.96 1174.69 it it just so happens that uh from the second point to the third point is twice as important I mean the second point is twice as important as the third point. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1163.72 1164.96 And easy to use 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1160.43 1163.72 So like the interface is really important. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1155.11 1160.43 People want it to be that, but s still they care more about the way it looks than what it does. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1178.22 1182.1 I is it has to be cooler than easy to use, you know, if it has the newest features,
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1189.42 1192.2 The fashion, now this is seems a bit odd to me,
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1182.1 1186.78 even if it's difficult to use, prefer it to have the newest features. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1192.2 1197.69 but fruit and veg is the new is the new black for furniture, for clothes, for shoes. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1186.78 1189.42 And if it's easy to use that's a bonus. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1205.09 1205.97 Spongy. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1207.79 1209.56 Well spongy's the new black as well. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1198.43 1201.02 How that relates to a remote control I don't know. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1212.32 1218.1 If it's the type of rubber that you can squeeze, you know, it's spongy, then can I skip the rest? 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1209.56 1212.32 So we have the choice between rubber and plastic. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1201.02 1205.09 But I I see I come on to that in the next in the next slide. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1205.97 1207.79 I've als I've been saying everything's the new black. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 1218.52 1225.58 The uh rubber material is the type of stress ball material, not just normal rubber. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 1217.05 1218.52 Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 1225.58 1226.27 Forgot to say that. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1223.32 1223.68 Okay. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1225.25 1229.02 Okay, so kinda spongy material. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1229.02 1233.51 So um so my personal opinion? 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1229.46 1229.83 Okay. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1240.92 1246.67 But what we what we need is something that looks like it's from the future that looks cool, that's that's different,
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1254.57 1258.02 And maybe it's a bit of overkill for a remote control. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1251.82 1254.57 Like, titanium is cool but it's expensive. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1234.68 1240.92 Um we want something fancy and techni technologically innovative, obviously. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1246.67 1251.82 you know, that's everyone has a white remote control, black remote control, you need something cool. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1282.83 1283.95 It could be something like, 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1265.16 1271.93 Um I mean the research did come up with fruit and veg, so maybe it is important for it's the up to the interface guy. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1274.96 1282.83 but if we're gonna go along with it then it doesn't necessarily have to be like an apple or something like that, or a kiwi fruit. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1271.93 1274.96 So if we stay away from it, s you know stay away from it,
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1258.58 1265.16 Um now the fruit and veg options, either we we go in that direction or we stay totally away from it. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1292.77 1296.17 Few questions about a spongy remote control. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1296.17 1297.2 I've never seen one before. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1290.06 1292.77 So I think cool is the key. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1284.54 1290.06 I say potato peeler but I'm sure you guys have a have a much cooler idea than I do. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1299.34 1300.41 I think maybe they were 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1297.2 1299.34 I've seen plastic remote controls. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1302.47 1306.92 I don't know, back in the day when they first came up with remote controls, they had a reason for it being 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1307.55 1308.03 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1334 1335.39 So how do things fit it? 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1308.74 1310.34 sturdy, you know. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1319.61 1325.48 we can stress that you can drop this as many times as you want, it doesn't matter, it's spongy material, it's not gonna break, you know. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1311.98 1319.61 So um if we want something strong and sturdy, I say stay with plastic or titanium, but if we go with spongy,
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1310.34 1311.98 For being strong and sturdy. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1325.48 1334 I just don't know how the L. E. D. and the lights are gonna fit into a spongy material because it's not gonna be completely squeezable. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1360.04 1361.15 People like spongy material. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1361.15 1367.07 If we're gonna use spongy material we have to think of how practical it is, and how we can further promote that idea. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1356.16 1360.04 We can either go down that alley or stay totally away from it. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1367.07 1368.8 And also, this was this year. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1344.35 1350.29 So just to summarise, people want stuff that's cool, that's that looks like it's cool 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1335.68 1344.35 And if we are gonna use spongy, we can say it's long lasting, you know it's damage resistant and stuff like that, so. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1350.29 1356.16 and if it is cool then that's a bonus doesn't have to be um people like fruit and veg. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1375.63 1381.99 Well next year something else is gonna be the new black and we're stuck with last year's fruit and veg type stuff. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1369.47 1375.63 So, things change all the time, every year you know they they always talk about this year, this is the new black. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1381.99 1382.25 'Kay. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1377.2 1377.53 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1382.3 1382.74 Okay. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1383.46 1384.07 That's me. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1387.56 1393.36 Well, um I would say that the most you could probably hope for is gaining a year's lead on most people anyway. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1393.36 1400.77 You always have to bring out new designs, so if we can get next year then that's possibly a good place to start anyway. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1400.77 1401.53 Um. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1400.4 1400.74 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1418.42 1427.97 but I've I would say that we can probably incorporate it into the menu system if you need to do traversal of a large number of channels. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1427.97 1440.27 My feeling would be that even if at a later date this was to be taking control of um boxes as well um having the use of the L. C. D. and the joystick would probably allow you to manipulate enough channel numbers for you to be 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1408.39 1414.9 Seems like a a lot of the components could be off the shelf, so I don't exactly what cost would be incurred. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1414.9 1418.42 Um I can see your point about the number keypad 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 1423.74 1424.3 Yeah. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1424.41 1424.75 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1452.98 1454.31 It's just irritating. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1440.49 1446.07 Yeah, actually if you've got a lot of channels, the number keypad can be quite annoying as well,
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1454.31 1458.56 But if you h but but but if you have a me but if you have a menu structure, then you can sub-group them. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1446.07 1452.98 becau it's you know if you're trying to remember what uh, you know, what number's the discovery channel or whatever. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1452.84 1453.94 That's a good point. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1453.94 1455.91 You can incorporate names into the menu. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1454.16 1454.55 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1464.34 1464.54 Yeah. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1458.97 1459.57 Okay. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1459.57 1461.57 Even news, music. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1461.57 1464.34 Like they do on uh sky digital kinda. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1459.57 1461.62 So you 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1459.74 1460.14 Okay. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1463.83 1464.14 Yeah. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1465.56 1471.12 So what it looks like to me is we'll use a large number of standard components, um, 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1480.78 1481.61 Um 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1472.46 1480.78 say something like um lithium ion battery, the kind that you find in most um small hand held devices now. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1494.43 1500.36 Though I'd have to say depending on how flexible it is, we might need to have some kind of inner frame. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1488.84 1494.43 Um, looks like we're pretty much decided on some kind of flexible rubber. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1485.53 1488.84 Um I don't know what cost implications there are in that. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1482.78 1485.53 Looks like we going for a double curved design. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1502.89 1513.07 I mean I mean I mean the the idea of having it sort of articulated i th there would be basically two points of articulation. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1513.07 1518.49 W um one below and one above the m the uh the main sort of grip. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1500.91 1502.89 Yeah, I I would say definitely 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1519.28 1523.02 Do you think there's any way we could maybe remove the articulation? 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1523.02 1529.66 I can see why it looks appealing, but it could be a weak point in um the structure, do you think? 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1529.66 1531.12 That would be a worry of mine. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1519.75 1520.38 So 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1529.82 1532.06 Mm. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 1531.41 1534.5 If you're going with the fruit and veg thing, looks like a banana. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1534.8 1541.15 I d I don't thi I don't think that it would be a a structural weakness,
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1546.77 1556.17 If you then have a sort of outer skin of mm flexible, spongy rubber then you have something that is you know very much you know 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1541.15 1546.77 I mean if you have a firm s sub-structure, you can then incorporate articulation into that. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 1535.45 1537.62 F if you wanna design it that way. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1557.03 1561.59 organic, and I think would look rather co I mean mi rather cool. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1563.72 1570.69 it makes it makes it look more a little bit more like a vibrator than a than a uh than a remote control, but uh. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1561.59 1563.72 I mean my drawing there doesn't doesn't do it justice,
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1570.71 1572.34 Yeah, we won't add that functionality. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1572.99 1573.57 Course not. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1572.22 1572.99 Okay. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1573.49 1578.04 However, one interesting point is, I don't know how serious you were there 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1578.04 1586.82 but we if we take some of the ideas why don't we make the damn thing yellow to incorporate the des the colour of the logo? 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 1583.85 1584.74 Yeah. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1587.02 1588.02 Sure, yeah. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 1587.05 1587.42 Okay. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1588.51 1589.04 I dunno. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1589.04 1592.01 It's an certainly a different colour from your average um 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1589.45 1590.01 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1593.52 1595.14 Make it harder to lose, as well. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 1595.79 1596.02 Yeah. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1597.89 1599.41 Was there anything in your research 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1596.31 1597.89 That's true. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1596.38 1596.74 Sure. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1611.93 1614.11 Y you know, you lose the monkey the banana, 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1598.81 1604.55 The noise for when you lose the banana, um f yeah,
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1604.55 1611.93 for when you lose the remote control, it could be like a a monkey noise or something like that, rather than a standard beep beep. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 1613.35 1616.28 monkey. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1614.72 1622.08 y you lose the banana, you press a button, and you hear like monkey screams or something like that to direct you towards the banana. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1622.72 1629.35 I th uh I mean if it I think that's something that could perhaps be programmable, though maybe have monkey as default. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1629.35 1629.77 Um. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1633.48 1636.99 Now I think it'd be cool if you had one remote control that could work with all T. V. s 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1629.03 1633.48 S oh, I was gonna talk about the programmable remote control. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1636.99 1639.97 you know you s you click a button and it finds the frequency that 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1643.34 1647.7 But why you'd need to program it like as as a standard feature, I I don't know. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1641.22 1643.34 works with your particular television. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1643.05 1643.38 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1659.91 1661.96 It's not simply a matter of frequency. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1647.8 1659.91 Well basi basically the um for f for uh I mean e each manufacturer will have a partic will have a particular command set that uh the T. V. responds to. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1661.96 1663.82 So um 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1658.64 1659.18 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1659.92 1660.15 Yeah. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1665.01 1674.89 usually what's done is you have this big booklet full of different possi you'll have all of them sort of programmed in to the uh remote 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1674.89 1684.53 and you'll have this little booklet of codes you then find your um ma uh find your manufacturer and try the different codes that 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1677.26 1677.55 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1685.01 1685.27 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1685.62 1688.76 come under that manufacturer's name 'til you find the right one. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1688.76 1689.21 It's 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1693.61 1693.89 Okay. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1688.63 1693.61 That's because televisions, they don't give the remote control any type of feedback when you send it. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1692.98 1694.31 Yeah, that's right. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1694.31 1700.51 So that's that's quite annoying and we probably would still have to do that. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1700.51 1707.87 But if we had um some sort of hook-up to your computer as an option, then if you've got a computer you can avoid that 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1708.94 1711.59 rather irritating thing. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1733.49 1738.73 Or we have the remote control just go through them until it's like does this do the correct function, and such. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1711.57 1720.78 An interesting point is that if the person doesn't have the computer, we can still make the process easier because instead of having to look up codes 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1720.78 1733.49 maybe we can have it that one of the options they have is that they look up the name of the company on the L. C. D. and then they maybe look up different names of um different actual units that have been produced. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1726.19 1726.5 Yeah. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1728.43 1729.17 Yeah. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1738.91 1743.7 Is it is it actually a book of names to digits, or is it like a few pages? 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1743.87 1745.79 Um booklet. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1745.79 1746.94 Some pages. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1747.12 1750.57 I was just thinking, if we were to store this information, some type of mapping. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1751.81 1756.72 This person probably need to use this feature like once, you know, when you first buy the remote control,
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1756.72 1760.43 or whenever they buy a new television, so once every s 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1759.26 1759.66 Yeah. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1759.44 1761.82 Doesn't have to be used very often that's right, yeah. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1761.38 1762.68 Yeah, and it's 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1772.19 1782.72 If you if there's w i if there's one in the shop that's that says it can avoid much of that nuisance, you might be favourably inclined towards it. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1762.39 1764.2 But it's a but it's a nuisance. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1764.2 1772.19 And it's a nuisance very close to the to um to actually purchasing it, so it's something that you're likely to be thinking about. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1782.72 1786.03 Um mm. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1761.92 1762.39 Yeah. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1769.89 1770.04 Mm. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1780.27 1780.48 Mm. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1792.85 1795.56 I'm pretty sure that you got that anyway. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1797.48 1798.19 Um. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1787.41 1792.85 Okay, this just to give us a rough idea of what we're meant to be doing for the next stage. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1795.56 1797.48 This is the conceptual one. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1790.3 1790.41 Mm. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1803.72 1809.78 Um I think we've decided on what, you know, decided on standard items for most of um rubber and such 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1814.64 1815.37 Um 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1799.58 1803.72 I think we've come up I think we've covered everything we need to here. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1809.78 1814.64 so we're now looking at the detailed design and what we need to be doing for the next meeting. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1828.87 1829.49 Um 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1818.48 1821.11 So for example, um I'll just start at the top,
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1821.11 1828.87 you've got yourself and the Industrial Designer gonna be working quite closely at this stage 'cause it'll be hard not to, obviously. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1838.57 1843.12 Um I suppose you'll be told a lot more about that as uh progress. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1843.12 1843.93 Um 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1833.12 1838.57 looking from prototyping of some des description using clay. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1845.98 1847.39 The user interface design, 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1849.68 1856.72 They're kind of it looks they're the idea I've pushed forward so far is maybe more of a physical one there,
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1862.99 1868.8 Or do you s perceive that most the design design decisions still need to be based on the physical layout? 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1856.72 1862.99 whereas possibly be more interested in maybe how the L. C. D. 's going to incorporate, do you think? 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1863.05 1863.66 Mm. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1898.89 1903.17 and also any customisations that the user might wish to incorporate. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1879.49 1887.6 um mo most of the sort of layout design decisions are are made, I would say. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1887.6 1898.89 Um but then again, the um the menu structure to to a considerable extent that's gonna vary according to the model of television 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1903.17 1911.67 So um and one of the nice things about having an L. C. D. and a menu structure is that there is that flexibility to it. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 1869.68 1879.49 Um well I I think other than ge getting a sort of more aesthetically pleasing form for it,
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1912.06 1913.74 Mm-hmm, that's very true. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1915.05 1916.24 Um. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1922.23 1923.02 Um. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1918.03 1919.6 Okay. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1919.6 1922.23 Um got product evaluation as well. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1922.17 1927.5 Yeah, you see I don't some of these things kinda logically follow the others. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1927.5 1931.72 How can t product evaluation, doesn't that come after actually seen 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1933.03 1934.47 a product prototype. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1933.15 1936.09 I I think we'd be yeah, no 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1936.09 1943.97 it'd be more a case of how do we envisage us performing the product evaluation once we have a model to test with. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1944.18 1945.72 Oh, that's the okay, sure sure sure. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1965.44 1966.3 Um 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1951.62 1957.58 uh maybe putting a certain number of products into the field in certain places which I suppose is quite similar. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1957.58 1965.44 Or just kind of hitting the streets and you know saying this is a new remote control, what do you think of the look of it? 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1945.76 1951.62 Um so it'd be a case of do you think that just bringing users in to have them test it out 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1955.88 1956.21 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1964.22 1964.86 Okay, sure. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1967.89 1971.68 At this stage we still have no no target audience or 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1981.73 1987.17 Um the reason I'm saying that is we're just looking at a a replacement remote control,
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1987.17 1992.78 something that's stylish, so maybe you're even just maybe you're narrowing down your target audience simply by saying 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1972.36 1981.73 I think the target audience is pretty much anybody under the age of say maybe sixty or something ludicrous. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1981.23 1981.6 'Kay. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 1992.85 1993.68 And it's stylish. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1994.05 1998.78 if they're buying it that often or they're maybe looking to replace something then,
ES2003c H01 MEE009 1998.78 2003.43 they've got a bit of free cash, so that puts them potentially in the younger age bracket. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2003.43 2008.98 Maybe even single, just for the reasons of um uh excess cash flow. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2002.5 2002.76 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2008.97 2009.21 Mm. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2018 2023.42 Um your idea of the U. S. B. would I think would largely depend on the cost. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2010.86 2016.16 Although of course I mean at twenty five Euros, I don't think we're looking at charging the earth for the uh device. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2023.42 2026.53 U. S. B. 's definitely one of the cheapest interfaces out there 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2016.16 2018 Think that's well within the normal bracket. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2026.53 2037.11 but it might push the cost of the overall unit up 'cause it would require not just the connection but the chip for communicating with the rest of the system. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2037.11 2038.91 That one might have to be based on 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2016.34 2016.68 Okay. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2015.07 2016.34 Yep. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2015.68 2015.98 Yeah. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2037.33 2039.09 Programmable memory as well. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 2039.17 2040.25 The U. S. B. for which? 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2040.66 2041.48 For the remote control. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2041.83 2051.88 The the idea was that maybe it could connect up for um allowing a software interface on the P. C. for a larger programming due to the fact that we've gone for such a nice,
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2051.88 2053.56 easy minimal design, normally. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 2047.62 2048.64 Oh right, okay. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2054.66 2056.94 We've w definitely talking some type of 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2055 2055.59 Um. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 2057.5 2060.83 But didn't they just say it's just for T. V., or are we gonna 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2060.73 2062.75 It's just for T. V., but for 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2063.12 2063.67 Different. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2068.26 2074.34 I I'm not sure, but I'm thinking maybe that the additional cost of the U. S. B. might be prohibitive. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2063.94 2068.26 programming it to use your T. V., you might hook it up to the P. C. . 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2074.34 2076.4 We don't know unless it would make sense to. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 2065.65 2066.48 Okay, yeah. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2074.31 2074.69 Mm. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2080.64 2086.27 Well something that doesn't you wouldn't have to redo the whole thing once the batteries are changed, you know, once you turn off the power. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2076.84 2080.64 But you're gonna need some type of flash memory or something. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2076.91 2078.29 Yeah, I mean it's 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2082.38 2082.83 Yeah. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2085.33 2086.23 Yeah. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2094.58 2103.42 Um f for one for one thing because I do think that the menu system should be um uh I mean although you know,
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2103.42 2109.32 it's not going to be terribly complicated if it's just controlling one device, the menu system ought to be um 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2086.23 2094.58 The other thing I mean it I mean it would need to ha it would need to have um some sort of on board memory anyway. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2093.23 2093.67 Yeah. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2111.12 2113.63 o ought to be customisable and uh 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2113.12 2117.13 Different languages, uh different skins and stuff like that. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2117.34 2117.64 W 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2115.92 2117.34 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2116.71 2117.53 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2126.17 2127.19 That sort of thing. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2117.53 2126.17 How uh how uh how you want say the um the the menu structure for flicking through channels if you've got lots of channels. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2131.96 2132.25 So. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2126.1 2131.96 I if it was customisable as in different languages and stuff, that does open it is supposed to be international, right? 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2125.38 2126.1 Sure. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2139.19 2141.79 We've already had the five minute warning, so. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2134.6 2135.85 I would say to. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2132.94 2134.6 It would make sense to. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2141.79 2143.28 Um. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2135.85 2139.19 Um and we'd better be careful about the time as well. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2143.28 2144.13 I would say yeah. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2134.17 2135.48 It would make sense if you could 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2139.13 2139.41 Okay. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2157.75 2163.14 Um looks like we're gonna need a maybe a kind of prototype in clay. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2164.57 2165.28 Um. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2150.05 2153.21 I'm I'd better start writing up a hell of a lot of crap. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2153.21 2157.75 Um you're gonna look a bit more at the kind of the physical make up you say. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2147.67 2150.05 Um you're gonna look at product evaluation. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2145.85 2147.67 International would make sense. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2163.14 2164.57 Uh we'll see how that goes. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2158.02 2158.52 Yeah. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2167.86 2168.8 Where is the clay? 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2164.56 2167.86 Are we going to be supplied with the clay is what I want to know. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2166.71 2175.12 So um do I think we've got an idea of where we need to go for the next meeting, would you say? 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2175.16 2175.53 Yeah. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 2182.23 2184.01 Yeah. 
ES2003c H03 MEE010 2175.76 2182.23 they're going with the fashion thing, like the design, spongy rubber. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2175.96 2176.39 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2179.41 2180.23 The fruit and veg. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2181.42 2181.91 This one. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2182.03 2186.08 Yeah, I would s that would be my my feeling. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2182.34 2182.69 Mm. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2184.13 2190.17 I th I think I would largely want to actually steer clear of the whole sort of fruit and veg thing. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2191.19 2196.79 Bu but um but the spongy idea I like. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2196.79 2197.46 I like it a lot. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2197.87 2203.05 We seem to have quite a general consensus that the idea of the the r rubber could be quite 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2197.88 2198.23 Yeah. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2203.11 2203.4 Yeah. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2203.98 2213.12 I having it i having it sort of br bright yellow I think that's quite a good idea, though maybe we could have options for colours as well. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2214.44 2214.65 Yeah. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2215.67 2219.3 and again this has the advantage of being harder to lose. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2219.28 2219.57 Sure. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2219.57 2224.67 I mean we are trying to promote a remote control, but we wanna keep the company brand as well, so. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2224.18 2225.32 Yeah. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2225.32 2228.36 So we always need to remember that somewhere we're meant to be getting the slogan on. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2224.56 2224.89 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2236.98 2237.46 Um. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2230.23 2236.98 Possibly I'm think I'm not sure but I'm seeing a little bit of space around maybe the joystick area which could be used. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2235.23 2235.65 Mm. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2237.48 2243.92 I was like like I said before I I think we should have the R. R. on the uh on the top function button. 
ES2003c H00 MEE011 2236.92 2237.48 Yeah. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2245.62 2246.67 Okay. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2249.42 2250.33 Right. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2250.33 2251.55 See everybody in a half hour. 
ES2003c H01 MEE009 2246.67 2249.42 And I think that says it all really. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2247.74 2248.85 I think so too. 
ES2003c H02 MEE012 2250.33 2250.78 Sa 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 0.04 3.11 That should hopefully do the trick, um. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 24.44 29.25 And that's uh fifteen twenty five. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 17.43 20.27 Sorry about the small delay. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 16.98 17.43 'Kay. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 20.27 24.44 Falling a little bit behind schedule. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 34.24 35.04 Okay. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 35.04 41.21 So just to try and roughly go over what we agreed in the last one, um 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 43.28 47.08 we're gonna go for something uh uh how was it? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 69.33 75.72 Um other things were we were hoping to use rubber, most likely gonna be double curved, etcetera. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 58.39 61.07 Uh many of our components are gonna be standard, off the shelf 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 49.23 58.39 Um something that looks good 'cause that seems to be in preference to actual functionality in the end, though we should never avoid functionality, of course. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 61.07 69.33 but it seemed like we were gonna require at least an advanced chip and we were still very much for the idea of using an L. C. D. display. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 47.08 49.23 Uh The new black, I believe. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 79.42 87.21 So um due to your hard work, we might as well let the uh two designers go first, and uh show us the prototype. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 77.66 79.42 Okay. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 87.07 88.48 Okay, it's a 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 89.22 92.41 Quite how the best way to do this is, I'm not sure, but 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 90.65 94.75 I think if we both step up and uh 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 96.78 97.84 outline our ideas. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 98.94 100.11 Okay. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 100.11 100.34 Now 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 122.26 133.37 As it turned out, the whole thing transfers from the right to left hand fairly well from the point of view of operating the uh function buttons and joystick 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 109.96 122.26 it turned out that the only point at which it needs to be articulated for handedness is um is h i is down here for the uh L. E. D. . 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 101.91 107.66 do uh doing the prototype gave us a bit more insight into the ergonomics of the design. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 107.66 109.96 Um for one thing 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 133.37 140.86 though it might be an idea to be able to a adjust the positions for the base of the joystick just a little bit for uh 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 140.65 141 Okay. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 151.63 158.5 so that the uh sticky uh so that the bit that sticks out a bit more is on one side or the other. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 163.11 169.01 the L. uh the L. C. D. is nowhere useful, so that would need to be articulated 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 158.5 163.11 But as you as you see with the uh with holding it in the left hand,
ES2003d H00 MEE011 144.5 151.63 You could simply have a slightly ovoid shaped joystick that could then just be turn uh twisted round 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 142.03 144.5 ju just a thought. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 170.16 172.87 uh if we're going to retain ergonomic design. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 174.1 180.25 Um now I I got your note about uh keeping the cost down. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 180.46 181.79 I'm afraid yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 181.79 183.8 We'll go into that a bit more, but please go on. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 181.26 181.81 Yeah. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 183.26 188.73 this design could be done with um 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 198.23 205.95 having maybe just a rubber grip over that which would allow for a slightly more sort of bio-morphic form, and a bit more ergonomic as well. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 205.95 207.5 As for the um 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 194.46 198.23 Though I would recommend around the grip part here in the middle,
ES2003d H00 MEE011 191.89 194.46 with uh plastic casing. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 208.77 210.33 as for the single curve, 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 211.49 219.51 um well this edge and this edge, like I say it would be nice to have some curvature to it, but it's not absolutely necessary. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 219.51 228.51 Really the curve that's most needed is the underside so that the jo so that the joystick rests over the the edge of the hand like this. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 229.65 231.07 Um and you have 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 232.58 240.76 the uh transmitter here and a wee speaker for the uh for the uh for the uh fi uh for the remote control finder. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 241.85 242.17 So. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 244.36 245.55 Any further comments? 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 245.79 251.84 Um obviously it's gonna be bulkier than how it looks, because it's gonna be flat on one side,
ES2003d H03 MEE010 255.97 257.45 'Cause it you can't get it curved. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 251.84 255.97 so the L. C. D. will be s sticking down like this, won't it? 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 254.84 255.87 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 255.87 256.41 Yeah. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 258.64 260.41 Uh because of costs. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 260.41 264.38 And it's plastic as well, so it won't be as comfortable on the hand. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 258.66 260.99 Yeah, I mean the uh Yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 264.82 265.24 Mm. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 272.18 275.41 One nice wee feature if we could if we could still do the rubber 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 285.08 289.01 So it has a wee sort of tail that you just drape over your wrist so it stays in position nicely. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 275.41 285.08 I though of was to have the uh rubber extend beyond the end of the uh of the rigid substructure. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 265.2 272.18 I mean with the with the rubber design it could i you know it could pretty much mould very much to the to the user's hand. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 264.93 265.2 Yeah. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 290.31 290.44 Mm. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 293 293.37 Um. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 291.67 293 Lovely. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 295.23 296.5 Yeah,. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 300.11 301.17 Um. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 298.06 298.62 Okay, yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 298.62 300.11 Great. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 299.39 299.97 Right. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 301.16 304.94 Yeah I've got a if you load up my evaluation document. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 304.2 306.68 Yeah, okay. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 306.68 307.7 Excellent work. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 305.27 305.62 Okay. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 308.07 308.23 Mm. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 312.88 314.47 Um. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 322.12 322.8 Uh evaluation. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 329.94 336.2 Basic point uh have a list of criteria that we need to rate the prototype by. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 336.2 339.88 Um then we will it's a seven s um seven 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 358.19 372.85 And uh the criteria based on Real Reactions' kinda goals and policies, marketing strategies, and also those I put together from the user requirements phase. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 372.85 373.77 'Kay. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 348.24 358.19 So after we've finished doing all the ratings for each criteria, we average that and that will give us some type of uh confidence in our prototype. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 341.39 343.84 seven step kinda evaluation process. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 373.77 375.55 Um if you flip the 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 343.84 348.24 So um not seven steps, seven scale. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 396.81 397.97 Put it mildly. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 388.74 396.81 which means that uh the product will score very badly on some of those points. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 397.97 400.87 So we have um true? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 378.69 382.67 So, those are the criteria. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 382.67 388.74 And uh perhaps I could have put 'em a bit better, but you notice a few things that we've totally abandoned 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 402.42 403.48 One, t 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 408.59 411.11 Seven, eight, oh. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 414.58 415.07 Fourth. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 432 433.83 or to be able to find them once they are lost. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 433.83 438.26 I mean, uh is the homing thing still the locator, is that still 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 417.72 421.78 If we imagine it's actually straight, and just give it a a score. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 415.07 417.72 Okay, so we have to go through each point. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 421.78 432 So um how well would you say the prototype is uh how well have we realised the dream of being able to stop remotes from from being lost 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 437.83 439.44 Yeah, that's still part of the design. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 439.97 441.3 And Adam, we can keep that in? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 439.6 439.97 Sure. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 450.09 455.14 but I'd like to think that we've done something about finding the damn thing once we have. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 442.97 450.09 So I mean I don't think anybody could actually stop a remote being lost, 'cause that would mean doing something about the human element 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 441.76 442.97 Yeah, I believe so. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 443.08 443.39 Okay. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 448.99 449.94 Sure. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 451.23 451.53 T 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 453.73 453.9 Mm. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 455.27 455.88 Sure. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 455.47 455.78 Mm. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 455.78 459.66 And making it a bright colour helps with the personally I would have gone for purple. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 459.76 460.77 Mm. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 463.71 469.67 Os on a scale of one to seven, how would you guys rate it for finding finding it once it's lost? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 460.77 461.37 Bright colour. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 461.37 463.71 So we still have that noise thing, yeah? 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 463.21 463.64 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 471.74 472.82 I'd say number one. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 474.28 474.78 Okay. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 473.16 474.28 Number one? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 474.78 478.55 Number number one for the first criteria. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 473.2 473.87 One. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 473.87 474.09 Yeah. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 491.06 495.07 you can hear it, but you can't quite pin it dow pin down where it is. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 478.31 491.06 I think w if it was just the sounder then th I mean something I've found with uh w w with say tr trying to find uh a cordless phone or a m mobile,
ES2003d H02 MEE012 495 497.84 Yeah you can tell what room the mobile is 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 497.78 507.51 What about what if the the volume on the T. V. 's turned up massively and uh you just wanna turn down the volume can't find remote. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 498.05 498.33 Bu 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 512.2 512.41 Mm. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 508.76 512.2 Suppose you have to go to the T. V. and do it manually. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 510.77 511.25 Yeah. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 511.38 511.84 Yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 513.72 514.08 Um 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 512.25 513.72 Mm. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 512.9 513.24 Yeah. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 513.66 515.79 Like y you wouldn't hear the speaker. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 515.78 516.03 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 516.29 521.79 just before we go through all of the steps here, um well what we'll do is 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 518.66 519.36 You wanna say something? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 530.89 531.64 Yeah, is that 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 524.09 530.89 um if we can look at the criteria you're gonna evaluate, and then we'll come back to the product evaluation if that's alright. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 530.29 530.73 That's fine. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 531.94 532.91 Oh that's that's fine. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 533.42 538.48 Um so is there anything here that you 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 541.79 544.89 that you wanted to cover as in the criteria that you've covered? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 544.89 546.92 And then we'll come back pretty much promptly to this. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 546.9 548.6 What do you mean cr is there anything I wanna 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 548.23 551.01 I is there any of these criteria that need any explaining? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 551.01 554.91 Or is there anything that yous thought tha really would stand out compared to the others? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 555.15 556.09 Um, a few. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 583.33 588.63 So they say we put the fashion in electronics, well they really mean it they they're very big on fashion, so. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 558.88 571.47 Something I neglected from my initial research is that Real Reactions has a a goal strategy that all of the products be inspired by material fashion, and clothing fashion. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 571.47 583.33 That is why fruit and veg being popular in the home and in clothing was important and they want all their products to be somehow inspired by current trends in fashion. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 588.66 589.13 Okay. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 605.15 606.36 And we can come back to it, you said. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 592.88 599.94 And uh this bit is this one easy to use for visitors or for anybody? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 590.28 592.88 That's this bit right here. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 599.94 605.15 I guess it's just the same as saying easy to use interface, so it's kinda condensed into one. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 606.36 606.53 So. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 607.58 610.05 No and which we will do very very shortly. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 606.54 607.58 Okay. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 612.99 614.72 Um. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 619.82 628.1 Slight problem we had was that we have an amazing four Euros over budget for what we were hoping to do. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 645.08 650.21 at which point we've removed a large part of how we were gonna interface, require more buttons, etcetera. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 639.25 645.08 Um the only way to get this down was either to ditch the a L. C. D. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 616.91 619.82 Okay. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 628.1 639.25 Um most of it stems from the use of the L. C. D. which I think in the end accounted for about half of our expenditure because of course we required a chip as well. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 652.08 660.52 Or what we did was that we um we as in I as I was quickly going over it was altering the actual structure. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 676.48 683.46 Even then as well, um there was no criteria technically defined for a joystick so I've used what I think's appropriate. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 673.89 676.48 So we're just managing it really. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 670.92 673.89 we've got point two of a Euro left over there. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 683.46 687.12 With any luck that won't mean that we've incurred more cost than we can actually afford to. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 660.52 670.92 Um changing it to plastic and a solid unit with a single curve design would allow us to come back into the um proposed costs and we're just scraping it in 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 689.82 698.61 It blows a lot of our really good ideas kind of slightly to one side, for example the possibility of having a U. S. B. connection is definitely not viable now. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 698.61 699.4 Um. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 700.45 701.37 Different languages? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 722.65 723.33 Um. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 705.95 711.79 So being able to communicate in multiple languages is still very much a possibility. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 702.23 703.51 That should still be viable. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 717.52 722.65 We do need to try and come up with an idea which could be continued with other people if need be. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 711.79 717.52 Um but what's something we need to decide on is how we're gonna go from here. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 703.51 705.95 We've got an advanced chip, we've got the use of the L. C. D. . 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 706.77 706.93 Yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 741.03 746.24 It might be s stuck like slightly between what would be good for left handed and what would be good for a right handed person. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 729.96 735.9 I really think as m much as it pains me is that we might have to go with plastic and some kind of solid design 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 725.19 729.96 We can I can bring the excel up sheet up and uh show you if you wish um. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 735.9 741.03 possibly meaning that the L. C. D. wouldn't be in this perfect place. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 758.99 760.16 So that uh th 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 747.22 757.95 Mm-hmm I suppose o one thing that could be done is h is have it um circular and have it s so that the uh the pink actually goes a bit over the pinkie finger. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 757.95 758.99 Mm. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 757.49 757.92 Okay. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 758.48 758.76 Mm. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 760.76 763.84 It very much is about making concessions, unfortunately. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 763.84 764.24 Um. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 764.21 765.12 Mm. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 765.41 769.12 Do you have any data on how much um different prints cost? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 769.12 772.83 I mean can you get the entire thing printed with a design um? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 774.05 777.63 Um b b b da is you mean on the plastic, or? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 782.71 783.38 Um. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 777.63 779.42 Let's have a look. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 779.42 782.71 You now have as much information as I do. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 781.72 782.22 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 785.19 787.63 So as you can see here, for example, the battery 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 793.05 796.29 Unfortunately we require the advanced chip if we're gonna do what we're needing to. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 790.75 793.05 We've gone for one of the cheaper options as well. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 788.82 790.75 really not very little choice in that one. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 797.65 799.01 I've said single curved. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 799.01 802.73 We really do need it to be that way for the ergonomics of it. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 814.63 815.01 Um 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 811.45 814.63 Problem comes here as you can see in the interface. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 806.95 811.45 despite the fact that rubber's only got a value of two Euros per unit. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 802.73 806.95 Um plastic for some reason incurs no cost, which I've had to very much make advantage of 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 831.84 838.2 Even if we save point five there, it would just mean that we're most likely placing it in actually just gaining a colour for the unit 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 841.98 854.97 the use of an L. C. display um advanced chip and what would determine the scroll wheel here as well because it's an integrated scroll scroll wheel push button that wasn't quite what I think they had in mind with a joystick. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 823.06 827.47 That might make sense, because then a numeric keypad would come in at um what,
ES2003d H01 MEE009 827.47 831.84 four point five Euros, which is an awful lot, so that could well be wrong. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 840.27 841.98 As you can see 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 816.92 823.06 if I've read this thing correctly, then we can save point five of a Euro here in that it's not per push button. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 838.2 840.27 which has had to be put to one side. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 855.37 859.91 Why would why would that be more expensive than an individual push button and scroll wheel together? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 861.16 862.79 That's quite significantly expensive. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 864.55 868.81 I that's something you'll have to take up with the bean counters. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 868.81 869.63 Um 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 870.62 871.02 yeah. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 869.83 870.62 Mm. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 875.03 879.06 So um I'm very much open to suggestions of where we go 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 879.06 890.3 but because we need to shed what was four Euros off of the um the price of for what we really desired,
ES2003d H01 MEE009 871.2 875.03 as you can see I mean that's taken up well over half of the price. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 890.3 899.42 this one comes in under price as you can see, but this was the one that sacrificed the material for the case and for the actual case design. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 874.16 874.52 Yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 899.62 901.46 We don't even have uh speakers here. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 901.46 906.05 The like uh we uh what about speakers and transmitters and stuff like that? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 906.05 907.06 Have we factored that in? 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 907.05 907.49 Mm. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 908.73 912.27 Uh no, we haven't, not 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 917.67 919.04 Is that gonna be a button, or 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 914.48 917.67 Plus the extra device itself that's gonna be on a T. V. . 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 910.81 914.48 Transmitter, receiver, speakers. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 919.73 922.7 That'll it literally would just be a button. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 922.7 923.88 We might have to 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 921.62 921.99 Yeah. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 922.65 925.28 That's too expensive isn't it? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 926.21 927.5 It looks like almost nothing 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 929.46 930.47 Mm. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 930.47 931.73 Oh good call, I missed that. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 932.66 935.29 I I mean it's not on here, but um. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 934.76 937.32 that's a very valid point. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 943.95 946 Well that's yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 943.23 943.95 Okay. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 938.37 943.23 Did they s do we have to use an advanced chip for the L. C. D. ? 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 942.2 942.62 Yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 945.63 948.6 So if we're gonna go with the L. C. display, then that's 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 951.52 952.45 You have to wind it up? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 949.67 951.52 What's a hand dyna dynamo? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 952.93 954.07 I believe so, yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 956.2 962.01 That would probably not be in keeping with the um the fashion statement and such, yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 960.97 961.96 Yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 958.84 960.97 Technology. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 960.08 960.71 Fashion. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 963.92 964.2 Okay. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 963.97 968.71 So basically the only new thing is the L. C. D. on the remote now. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 967.8 969.76 Being manipulated by the joystick, yeah. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 969.84 970.77 Oh, and joystick, yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 971.71 976.2 Which I'm defining as scroll wheel. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 976.2 977.48 Um. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 983.71 988.89 and that would be more expensive than a but is a scroll wheel not just back and forward? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 980.51 983.71 Because we would need four extra buttons to replace it, up down left and right 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 978.12 980.51 And we couldn't replace the joystick, right? 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 986.78 987.25 Mm. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 989.49 993.15 Yeah it's just because there was no actual definition for what a joystick might be, that 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 994.48 997.74 that's what I've labelled it for the purposes of this evaluation. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 995.54 995.88 So 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 998.47 1001.15 The L. C. D. basically is the big selling point of 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1001.46 1004.9 If we remove the L. C. display, we could save ourselves 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1002.62 1003.47 the remote. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1006.96 1008.29 a fair amount. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1009.57 1010.25 Which you could 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1009.86 1012.18 But that's what makes it uh original though, isn't it? 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1012.71 1022.62 I think if we remove the the L. C. display then there was absolutely no point to any of these meetings and we just we could just put our branding on any other remote control. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1011.54 1012.71 Mm. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1011.86 1012.29 Yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1022.4 1023.22 Yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1023.64 1024.99 Um. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1023.22 1023.64 Yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1024.99 1025.39 Uh k 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1027.2 1028.08 It's a shame. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1028.08 1029.15 We should possibly have 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1031.27 1037.57 If we could've increased the price we could've manufactured that and we could've got something far closer to what we were hoping to. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1036.47 1042.34 Does this does this bear in mind that I mean it's a bit ridiculous that they're gonna charge us 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1043.61 1050.52 what is it, like this much money for three million if we're gonna buy three million components, you know. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1050.58 1053.3 Again, you'll have to argue with the accountants on that one. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1053.3 1058.19 Um but for the purposes of this meeting, I'm we're gonna have to stick with these figures. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1052.86 1053.01 Mm. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1059.07 1059.58 'Kay. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1061.08 1061.56 So, 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1071.39 1072.16 Um 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1062.9 1068.78 I would say that it would seem like the general opinion is we're gonna keep the L. C. display 'cause it's about what really separates us 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1068.78 1071.39 despite the cost it's gonna incur. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1068.69 1069.26 I think so. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1074.11 1083.46 are people maybe not happy with, but are willing to go ahead with this in going for a plastic solid case, to keep the L. C. D. ? 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1085.14 1094.4 Um yeah I mean one thing, I mean ho uh how much extra would it be to to keep I mean keep the um the articulation? 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1084.38 1085.14 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1095.29 1096.39 It's hard to tell. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1096.39 1105.56 Um I would say that you're at least gonna take double curved, and even then I'm not quite sure if that's incorporating the idea of articulation. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1097.9 1099.32 This is what I'm wondering. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1105.65 1106.03 Yeah. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1106.02 1111.64 Oh no, I think I I it d that it needn't require it to be double curved. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1110.68 1112.94 It can be s yeah, it can still be single curved, but 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1112.98 1121.07 It's uh it's just it's just it's just that the case would come in t would be made in two parts and then joined together with an articulation. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1113.58 1114.57 You just. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1113.76 1115.49 Single curved with articulation? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1121.42 1130.91 Could we could we not get rid of the curvy the curvous the curvaceousness and focus on the menu being the best interface? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1130.91 1133.56 'Cause like we do we have re restrictions on software? 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1133.28 1135.11 That's what we need for the joystick I think though. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1135.51 1137.05 Oh but there has to be 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1135.91 1136.39 Mm. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1136.39 1143.43 Yeah, I mean and I mean the uh I mean if you look uh if you look closer at the uh at the prototype here 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1143.43 1145.46 the lines here along the grip 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1146.08 1148.23 are actually quite straight. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1148.23 1159.63 Um I mean yeah, on the on the L. C. D. I mean although we've done it with a curve it could just as easily be done um without curves. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1159.63 1162.48 The curve that's really needed is up here 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1162.48 1169.21 to put uh to keep the joystick in a good ergonomic position for it to have it rest on the top of the hand. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1148.93 1151.88 But the curves all o over hand, is it? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1161.82 1162.8 joystick. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1169.56 1170.21 Okay. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1170.21 1171.32 Sure. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1171.32 1172.19 Okay, my bad. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1174.06 1184.21 We wouldn't actually save a lot by reducing it anyway, so I mean for the purposes of this meeting maybe we can state that single curve still allows articulation. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1184.21 1189.67 Um unless we hear otherwise we could go ahead with that proposal. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1183.31 1183.63 Mm. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1190.42 1195.95 So I think the product is not gonna perform so well for my criteria. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1198.58 1208.78 As long as so are we gonna say w we have to keep an eye on the time as well, but we're gonna say um single curved design 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1196.9 1198.58 Which is what we can get onto now. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1206.05 1206.74 Oh, wait a minute. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1208.02 1209.11 Sample speaker? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1210.3 1211.66 What is a sample speaker? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1211.66 1213.63 Is that somewhat similar to what we want? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1214.1 1216.09 It could well be, but at a cost of 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1214.72 1219.54 Mm no that's that voice response thing that we got the email about. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1219.54 1221.29 But I thought it was just completely pointless. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1216.98 1217.65 Costs four. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1218.47 1218.71 Yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1221.92 1223.4 You got a email about voice response? 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1223.86 1224.56 Yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1224.65 1225.52 I did not, so. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1230.96 1235.42 you know, say hello to, and it would say hello back in a friendly female voice. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1225.6 1226.25 Alright. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1226.25 1230.96 B i basically it was saying that our labs had come up with a chip that you could,
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1236.78 1238.44 Okay, yeah we'll definitely won't go with that one. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1241.18 1242.25 I mean I we 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1239.06 1241.18 We won't go with that one, did you say? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1241.43 1243.09 Yeah, that's voice recognition, so. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1243.22 1244.57 Okay, okay. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1246.29 1247.11 Um. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1248.24 1250.88 So, okay yeah, battery definitely, 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1250.85 1254.84 So it looks like we're gonna get rid of the whole loca locator thing. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1254.96 1262.83 It looks like it unless we can manage to put it in under point two Euros, um. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1254.98 1255.24 Yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1259.88 1260.54 Okay. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1261.8 1264.29 Okay. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1268.9 1270.8 So we'll leave that one for now. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1270.8 1271.26 we'll just have 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1264.42 1268.9 Maybe even slight well oh yeah, pretty much point two Euros, I'd say. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1264.81 1265.11 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1270.84 1273.1 Are we going for a special colour at all? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1273.77 1275.93 It's uh a case of um 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1277.01 1279.52 I'm uh slightly unsure. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1282.83 1286.96 So maybe it's a case of a push button is maybe one or more. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1279.52 1282.83 One point five of a Euro for one push button doesn't sound quite right. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1288.47 1289.14 Um. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1288.51 1289.19 Mm. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1289.48 1291.5 Well I was for a case. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1290.28 1291.08 At which point if 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1293.51 1295.49 Or had you already incorporated that? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1295.66 1297.33 Oh, special colour for the case. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1297.96 1299.32 Well you got point five there. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1299.32 1302.47 It's literally a case of whether or not this is correct. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1302.47 1307.03 I'm not quite sure if they're I don't think they mean point five Euros per button. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1307.18 1307.43 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1315.22 1321.84 Because most m most remotes are a fairly dingy colour that gets camouflaged under any pile of crap in a living room. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1307.19 1315.22 Okay, well l let's say that and then we can have our special coloured case and then we at least have make it a little harder to lose. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1308.57 1308.88 So 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1314.59 1315.04 There we go. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1322.44 1323.14 White or black? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1321.16 1322.44 W what's the default colour? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1324.48 1327.98 Black's probably the normal colour you'd say, yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1336.29 1337.15 So 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1327.98 1336.29 I quite like that colour that you're fetching there, it's uh definitely for make it glow in the dark even better. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1326.14 1326.88 Or grey. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1326.72 1327.02 Right. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1328.58 1329.22 Yellow. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1334.34 1334.54 Yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1338.55 1339.49 will we go with that then? 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1341.33 1341.97 Okay. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1342.16 1342.37 Yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1342.4 1349.71 It's not and we can see we'll come back to uh your evaluation which you're probably now going to pan us but there we go. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1344.11 1345.5 Sure. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1349.01 1350.33 Okay. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1351.94 1354.01 So uh 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1350.33 1351.94 Okay. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1358.67 1361.23 We've not hit the five minute mark warning yet, but. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1353.81 1358.67 Just to give you an idea, um you want to go maybe a bit quickly as well, I'm not sure how much time. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1361.18 1361.52 Okay. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1360.48 1361.18 Right okay. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1361.82 1363.42 Think it's ten minutes left. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1363.51 1363.71 Ten. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1363.92 1364.51 'Kay. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1364.51 1367.96 Ability to stop remotes from being lost or to find them once they are lost. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1369.38 1370.31 Um. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1371.63 1372.34 Special colour. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1370.31 1371.63 Okay. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1370.49 1371.31 Special colour. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1372.87 1376.15 Mm mm four? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1376.15 1376.9 Three? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1376.9 1377.71 Mm. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1373.7 1376.33 Uh uh four. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1377.65 1379.55 Three if we're being generous, I feel. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1377.97 1379.09 Three. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1379.09 1380.53 I think we can do three. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1380.5 1380.91 Three. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1384.37 1390.71 It makes it stand out from you know it's lost in a big pile of crap, it stands out from the rest of the crap. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1380.87 1384.37 Th the special colour doesn't would I think make a difference. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1380.92 1382.24 Think we're being generous here with three. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1386.36 1386.55 Mm. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1391.1 1392.02 Okay. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1392.02 1393.73 Reduce the number of unused buttons. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1393.73 1395.2 We're down to t two buttons, is it? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1389.61 1391.1 Yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1390.84 1391.25 Okay. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1395.62 1396.43 Two buttons. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1395.64 1397.09 Two buttons and a joystick. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1397.97 1399.05 You know, where that's 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1396.91 1397.97 Okay, so that's a one. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1398.6 1399.13 Totally. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1399.73 1401.82 I'd say we're doing well there. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1398.94 1399.73 Yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1410.97 1415.52 Um easy to use oh okay, let's forget that one. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1401 1402.78 Okay, that was good. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1402.78 1408.98 Easy to use interface, buttons menu, menus that's yeah that's good. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1415.52 1417.15 Fancy looking. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1408.98 1410.97 'Kay that's we're not doing so badly. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1414.84 1415.39 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1418.09 1419.72 As he models the 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1418.77 1420.94 It doesn't get much fancier. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1424.32 1427.24 Yeah let's just assume it's a good L. C. D. display. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1427.24 1428.85 Maybe I was panicking for no reason. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1420.37 1420.91 Sure. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1420.91 1424.32 And we could do whatever we like with the L. L. C. D. . 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1430.58 1435.05 I'd say we go two, 'cause like f the fanciest would be the double curved. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1428.4 1430.58 Are we going one on? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1436.04 1439.28 Yeah, w maybe you'd be a bit too yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1439.92 1440.46 Yeah, that's m 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1439.28 1439.92 There we go. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1436.13 1436.66 Wouldn't it? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1436.3 1436.8 I'd 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1436.47 1436.91 Mm. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1437.6 1438.79 Yeah. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1437.88 1439.27 With the articulators. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1440.03 1441.67 With bells on it. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1446.89 1449.85 Technologically innovative. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1449.85 1456.27 Well, we're getting rid of the locator thing which which yeah 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1445.19 1446.89 More accurate numbers. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1441.99 1445.19 that's that's better too. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1452.52 1453.45 Which is a shame. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1455.52 1458.97 I'd give it a three for this for that. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1458.97 1460.01 Yeah. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1460.01 1471.8 I mean the menus thing is something you don't normally see on um on a remote, but you see it in a lot of other places. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1454.32 1455.52 Mm. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1455.7 1457.12 No need for teletext. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1460.09 1460.32 'Kay. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1472.2 1474.25 Yeah, mobile phones. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1474.25 1479.48 And y what you're doing is moving the menu from the television to the remote control, so it's 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1474.09 1474.83 Mm. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1479.86 1480.42 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1481.66 1483.35 I might go as far as two on that. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1483.35 1483.83 Three. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1480.61 1481.66 You say three? 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1484.61 1485.62 I'd give it a three. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1484.85 1487.31 I'd be tempted with three, yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1487.05 1487.31 Okay. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1486.49 1487.05 Three. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1489.87 1490.53 Okay. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1489.97 1491.81 We'll get panned on the next one, anyway. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1494.78 1497.67 Sponginess is what they really would have wanted, apparently. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1492.19 1494.78 Materials that people find pleasing. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1494.82 1495.4 Yeah, w 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1497.33 1498.44 It is, yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1499.83 1507.29 Um because of the way that we've minimalised the number of buttons and such. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1508.94 1512.67 But it's no worse than any of the other pl remote controls we have. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1498.44 1499.83 Don't blame them. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1507.29 1508.94 Plastic, it sucks. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1505.56 1505.78 Yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1512.99 1514.23 It's not a step backwards. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1512.31 1512.99 That's true. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1516.68 1517.21 Six? 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1514.4 1516.68 five? 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1515.66 1515.91 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1516.91 1519.4 I'd s I I'd give it a six, to be honest. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1518.39 1519.04 Six,. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1531.72 1533.28 What colour were we gonna make it? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1524.22 1527.66 Okay, that's totally thrown everything off balance. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1518.76 1524.22 Yeah, okay let's give it a six. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1527.66 1530.48 Inspired by the latest interior and clothing fashion. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1530.48 1531.72 W we could. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1532.74 1534.52 Put a leopard print on it. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1543.01 1545.65 If I were buying one, I'd go for purple. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1538.54 1543.01 Um we went with yellow we went with yellow for the prototype 'cause we had yellow. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1533.86 1538.54 Well I I I would sa I would say give a s give a selection of colours. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1545.65 1546.56 Leopard print would be cool. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1539.68 1540.48 I know, but 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1546.87 1551.61 But um by this I think it's more a case of fruit and veg, 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1550.42 1551.06 Yeah we gotta. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1551.06 1557.97 I'd say the colour of the border there world you'd find that, that's that'd stand out. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1552.27 1552.97 Yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1558.53 1559.23 Like yellow, yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1565.83 1568.4 Is it inspired by clothing fashion? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1559.23 1565.83 It would also help keep the the product placement s yeah. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1562.96 1564.63 Logo, brand. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1564.14 1564.4 Mm. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1565.71 1566.38 Mm 'kay. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1565.77 1566.51 But 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1568.16 1570.87 Th th they're referring to the fruit and veg thing. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1576.02 1579.39 Could we stretch no still, it's not shaped like a banana is 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1573.69 1576.02 Is this like a banana type colour? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1577.49 1577.93 Yes. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1579.7 1584.19 It's kind o it probably 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1580.02 1580.8 That's kinda 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1581.11 1583.18 i it won't be when it's been 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1586.16 1588.74 What is what fruit or veg is flat? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1584.18 1586.16 Oh is that 'cause it's flat? 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1585.06 1585.9 budgeted. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1595.48 1596.01 Um. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1589.72 1595.48 I I think s I I think this isn't not particularly fruit and veggie. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1594.94 1596.14 Yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1596.14 1603.56 Or we might have to suffer badly for this one as well. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1597.81 1598.95 Yellow courgette. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1600.09 1609.82 Well I mean it's probably more fruit and veg than most other things out there bar fruit and veg, so, what, four? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1610.07 1611.14 Four? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1611.14 1614.05 Oh that's it's very ambitious, yeah, um. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1611.99 1613.18 Is that being too generous? 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1626.76 1631.65 Um I'd g I'd rate I'd rate this fairly highly from that point of view actually. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1614.29 1619.66 I'd I'd I don't think fruit and veg is the sole criterion. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1619.66 1626.76 Is the sole criterion for being um fashion fashionable or inspired by current fashions. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1613.22 1614.29 Mm. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1618.61 1619.39 Oh dear,. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1619.05 1619.3 Sure. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1622.8 1623.5 Inspired by. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1631.72 1635.3 Well this this what we're gonna t this is their motto, like. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1635.3 1636.59 And we're we're not doing well on it. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1634.73 1635.13 Yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1636.62 1637.74 This is their strategy. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1638.79 1645.56 I m imagine we actually had some money invested in this and the amount that we invest is gonna be proportional to the marks. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1645.56 1649.11 Might we might wanna be a bit more skepible sceptical about 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1650.38 1650.86 this one. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1653.52 1654.64 What would you think yourself? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1654.84 1659.84 I would say I mean it's it's not at all, right? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1662.87 1663.39 We didn't m 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1659.84 1662.87 In any way or shape or form. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1662.88 1668.01 Well, it's kind of curved and we can make it yellow, and that's pretty much banana like. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1667.97 1671.77 Okay, the the yellow banana like thing is I think is okay. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1671.52 1672.85 Si it's got a curve to it. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1673.67 1674.48 Right five. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1674.48 1676.19 Is that sound reasonable? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1677.63 1680.56 Am I do you think I'm stretching the uh the use of the banana? 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1677.85 1678.88 Yeah, I'll go with five. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1679.12 1679.53 Five. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1680.56 1681.62 Yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1686.73 1690.52 'Kay, so we have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1693.73 1698.03 So five, seven, ten, sixteen, twenty one. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1699.66 1701.68 Which gives us an average of three. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1710.84 1712.06 It's in the good section. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1707.71 1710.84 So we it's it's not bad. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1703.44 1707.71 It's well this would be in the middle. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1719.18 1719.73 Um. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1712.76 1719.18 It's not bad and considering the don't pick the pen. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1718.3 1720.55 Sorry. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1716.84 1718.3 Oops. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1720.55 1721.56 I'm I'm sorry. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1723.16 1726.84 Y oh and you've knocked batteries out. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1726.84 1732.83 Um right okay it's considering the price we had to get this in,
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1732.83 1739.08 to have a positive you know, even based on the four of us being heavily biased, um 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1727.39 1728.75 'S bad design, that thing. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1732.77 1733.11 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1739.87 1740.22 Yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1740.7 1748.36 it was gonna be quite hard to get anything standing out I'd say possibly, based on 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1750.32 1752.33 um the the cost features. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1754 1755.16 Mm, yeah. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1754.38 1754.82 Mm. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1786.37 1787.1 It was good. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1769.71 1776.72 You know like we didn't we didn't add we didn't subtract a whole seven points from these things, so I think we're definitely on the good bit. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1776.72 1783.33 Even if we gave this one seven and this one seven, that's still only three extra points over seven. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1754.79 1761.78 Even if we were to increase this entire thing by by seven, we were to go down a grade to to four 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1761.78 1769.71 we would have to do I mean we didn't we weren't that kinda optimistic too optim overly optimistic. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1783.33 1786.37 You know, it's yeah, we did it w it was okay. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1784.86 1785.17 Mm. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1787.56 1788.27 Personally, 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1789.48 1792.06 I think given that 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1793.22 1795.87 the product um 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1798.66 1803.18 only replaces a single remote control that you've already got, 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1805.12 1809.5 are people really gonna shell out twenty five Euros for something that's only marginally good? 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1812.54 1817.98 Well, it depends who your who's what the target people are, like you'd say 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1820.31 1823.44 maybe the fashion conscious 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1824.2 1825.97 Maybe it's been targeted 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1824.58 1828.77 women would be going, oh look at that, 's cool, it looks like a it's 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1828.04 1828.3 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1829.71 1832.73 yellow, looks like a banana, it's cool it's gotta look good in the sitting room. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1834.64 1836.53 Hide it in the fruit basket. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1835.06 1844.75 Rather than the L. C. D. whereas uh more technical like like more uh people in with the latest technology it's good 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1844.75 1849.02 it's got an L. C. D. screen 's only got two buttons and a joystick. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1850.07 1850.62 So, 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1852.34 1853.93 which which kind of people would be more 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1854.87 1855.66 likely to buy it? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1857.76 1859.27 Probably the people technologically. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1859.27 1861.05 They're usually the ones that buy pointless stuff. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1868.97 1871.3 She uses it to make phone calls and that's it. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1862.55 1868.97 I mean my mum still has not learnt how to use text messaging on her phone, and she's had it for a long time, you know. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1861.17 1862.55 I think so. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1887.96 1893.06 So even if it is really user friendly to us, but we're used to using menus all the time. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1872.92 1873.88 Yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1879.16 1883.54 I mean that'll probably be the first one she decides not to buy, you know. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1883.54 1887.96 She'd be like is this a remote control, I don't how do you use it, and stuff like that. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1873.88 1879.16 So I think if sh if my mum saw a remote control like this with only two buttons and a joystick,
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1883.31 1883.89 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1894.5 1899.2 I s I suppose one thing is that b because it's technically innovative, 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1894 1894.5 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1899.99 1907.66 um for someone who's sort of technophobic, the fact that it simply looks unfamiliar would be daunting. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1906.56 1906.77 Yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1909.27 1914.17 I think it's totally uh radical to have a remote control with no no numbered buttons, yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1908.69 1909.27 Yeah. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1909.41 1909.77 Um. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1912.62 1913.08 Yeah. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1914.31 1914.45 Yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1916.18 1917.64 But like radical good, maybe. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1919.4 1921.81 Um don't know how lo much longer we've got. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1923.78 1927.57 Um quickly we'll pop onto project evaluation. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1927.57 1929.05 Um. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1921.81 1923.78 At least five minutes I think. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1918.85 1919.4 Okay. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1930.74 1931.98 So, 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1934.64 1938.49 we've got these uh four criteria here for uh satisfaction. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1940.05 1941.54 Does anybody want to um 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1950.53 1956.79 The ability to work on this project using the technology we've been presented with. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1944.02 1946.45 um do you have any opinions on any of them? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1946.45 1950.53 For example um we'll work backwards I suppose. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1956.79 1960.35 Um people made good use of the 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1961.69 1963 uh pen and paper? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1964.39 1966.41 I would say 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1964.42 1970.08 Wrote nearly a page, but not. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1964.5 1966.27 Yeah, got notes and doodles. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 1965.57 1965.73 Yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1971.03 1975.54 I'm not quite sure what the advantage for us using a digital pen might be. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1975.94 1977.06 I think tracking. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1976.24 1979.1 Well I think this is a I think the digital pen's mostly for the benefit of the uh 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1978.35 1978.93 Mm. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1980.6 1982.31 of the researchers studying this. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1984.93 1988.14 Though it would have been nice to be able to transfer the um 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1982.31 1984.93 It's all p goes into their corpus. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1984.93 1985.69 It must 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1989.45 1992.22 transfer our n our paper notes onto the uh 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 1993.41 1994.32 computer ourselves. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 1994.58 1995.94 Yeah, that woulda been pretty good. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 1996.08 2001.85 It does seem like the paper's still a heavy consideration for taking notes. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2001.85 2003.73 So maybe this is literally just a way around it. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2003.73 2005.77 Um I dunno. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2007.66 2011.46 How are people satisfied with the teamwork we've managed to display today? 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 2012.83 2013.02 Good. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2013.18 2014.22 I'd yeah I liked it, yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2020.98 2024.07 As much as can be leadered in this uh thing. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2018.87 2020.98 Leadership. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 2023.56 2023.87 Very good. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2024.3 2025.86 I li yeah, top marks. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2030.8 2033.23 Now, I think we got 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2027.02 2030.8 Um last one we've got is room for creativity. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2030.45 2039.4 Well yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2039.4 2044.14 We we're not lacking in ideas, you know it's that was not the problem. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 2031.05 2037.05 Unti uh uh until uh until accounts came along, squish. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 2036.24 2039.03 We're burs bursting with creativity. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2058.55 2061.48 Um I would have to agree on that. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2045.41 2051.71 Yeah I think of in the end, ideas that can be used sadly. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2051.71 2057.02 Not so much that we weren't full of ideas, but of ones that are gonna allow us to actually build the thing. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2061.48 2062.85 I think we needed a larger budget. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2057.02 2058.55 It's a bit of a pity. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2056.75 2057.05 Mm-hmm. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2063.46 2063.71 Yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2072.67 2075.26 Because they will pay outrageous cash to 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2068.84 2072.67 then you can afford to maybe jack the price up slightly from what it is. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2064.1 2068.84 If you're going to aim your a um product maybe at the technological kind of sector 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 2072.75 2073.19 Yeah. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 2075.96 2076.32 Mm. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 2076.32 2091.34 I mean I th I mean I think to r retaining the s the more sort of bio-morphic form in the articulation would gain more in s uh would gain more profit in sales than it would lose in uh 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2076.35 2077.21 first on the market. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 2092.76 2094.08 in added expense. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2094.79 2095.41 Mm. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 2096.37 2098.88 And the price was like it was twice the 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 2102.56 2105.75 And would it have to be twice that? 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 2100.23 2102.56 w assembly cost. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 2105.75 2110.96 It could be like coulda had the assembly like maybe fifteen Euro. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2112.14 2112.94 It could even 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 2112.19 2113.55 We'll still settle for twenty five. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2123.73 2126.71 As to a the costs involved. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2115.25 2116.78 That's true, yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2116.78 2123.73 Um I suppose these are all that will have to be taken up with a at a different group at I guess. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 2115.31 2115.69 Maybe. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2128.5 2129.39 But I mean 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2130.57 2132.76 we've got a a prototype. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 2133.87 2134.71 Such as it is. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2134.72 2140.85 So I dunno, I I think it's gone okay today, considering the information that we've 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2142.12 2144.35 had at our disposal, and um such. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2143.84 2147.6 Maybe the counts wou woulda been better if we had a list or more 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2148.77 2150.67 Yeah, to begin with. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2150.67 2151.05 Yeah. 
ES2003d H03 MEE010 2149.89 2150.8 In the beginning, yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2167.6 2170.79 Always hard to tell until you know the costs. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2152.21 2157.56 Probably would have mean we could have come up with a lot more solid design in the end, I would have to agree. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2157.56 2167.6 It is very much a pity to um get so far into the stage and then find out that maybe some of your ideas are just a bit too expensive. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2170.79 2171.42 Um. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2155.21 2155.46 Yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2175.58 2178.07 Okay. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2178.07 2179.65 Are the costs within budget? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2185.56 2189.1 We've evaluated it, and we can say that we came out with a value of three. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2179.65 2185.56 Well, they are now that we have our slightly less than capable product. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2184.58 2184.86 Okay. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2190.07 2190.31 Yeah. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 2192 2211.19 Actually I want th one thing I would say I mean something that could perhaps be part of the product mm the um m product testing market research process would be to uh produce mock-ups of both versions and see just how much of a difference the over going over-budget 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 2212.32 2213.98 um m would make to sales. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2215.04 2216.04 It's yeah? 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2216.09 2218.54 And like response from consumers. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 2218.53 2221.73 And we could even you know, market two versions. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 2225.48 2229.46 Wee cheapie version with the nice bio-morphic rubber. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2231.69 2234.89 And then the final one where you get to call it Hal. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2234.89 2237.58 But we'll go into that later. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2237.58 2244.6 Right um is there anything else that anybody would like to to add, um 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2234.43 2236.52 Sure. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 2235.01 2235.71 Yes. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2245.75 2253.52 anything they think that's not been covered, before I quickly write up a final report. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2257.89 2260.44 We maybe aren't as happy with it as we'd like to be, but 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2254.82 2257.89 Um I dunno, I mean we've got a product. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2262.94 2266.11 we've got something we think we can maybe stick onto the the market and sell. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2276.41 2280.04 I mean we've briefly touched on it but we've no more knowledge then there's little we can say on that. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2268.44 2275.56 And of course something we have been avoiding talking about 'cause of we've no information is selling them directly to the manufacturers. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2275.56 2276.41 There is a huge market. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2275.32 2275.56 Yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2280.28 2280.48 Yeah. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 2281.75 2281.94 Mm. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2286.78 2287.71 Yeah. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2289.79 2295.25 So um unless anybody's got anything they'd like to add 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2295.25 2302.13 we can maybe round this up slightly earlier than we'd need to and then we can finish up the writing and such. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 2300.46 2301.59 And I can get my bus. 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2303.98 2304.31 Yeah? 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 2304.4 2304.77 Okay. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2304.42 2304.57 Yeah. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2306.62 2307.53 Okay, let's 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2309 2311.3 Uh thank you for your participation. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2310.79 2311.12 Thank you. 
ES2003d H00 MEE011 2311.64 2312.09 Thank you. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2313.05 2324.66 I was actually kind of upset you know at the budget, and that we had to cut a lot of stuff. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2324.66 2327.81 It's like man, we we can't have the locator thing. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2328.94 2331 And s yeah that's just bad. 
ES2003d H02 MEE012 2333.54 2337.69 Do you think maybe the prices were were made? 
ES2003d H01 MEE009 2341.21 2344.85 That a question we can ask. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 0.37 1.76 Hmm hmm hmm. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 10.99 14.53 Are we we're not allowed to dim the lights so people can see that a bit better? 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 17.88 18.14 Yeah. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 18.87 20.29 Okay, that's fine. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 22.37 23.81 Am I supposed to be standing up there? 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 25.15 26.83 So we've got both of these clipped on? 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 25.18 25.6 Okay. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 29.12 30.48 She gonna answer me or not? 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 29.86 32.29 Yeah, I've got 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 31.3 33.39 Right, both of them, okay. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 34.26 34.72 Yes. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 42.63 43.29 God. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 49.75 53.18 Jesus, it's gonna fall off. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 63.81 64.2 Okay. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 64.2 66.33 Yep, yep. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 71.95 72.06 Okay. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 83.82 91.96 Um I'm Sarah, the Project Manager and this is our first meeting, surprisingly enough. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 80.48 81.9 Okay. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 91.96 94.74 Okay, this is our agenda, um 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 81.9 83.82 Hello everybody. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 80.5 81.66 Tu tu tu tu 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 83.22 84.03 Hi, good morning. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 108.14 115.89 discuss our own ideas and everything um and we've got twenty five minutes to do that, as far as I can understand. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 101.93 108.14 Um then we'll go do tool training, talk about the project plan,
ES2004a H01 FEE013 95.68 101.93 we will do some stuff, get to know each other a bit better to feel more comfortable with each other. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 121.54 126.99 Um, we want it to be original, something that's uh people haven't thought of,
ES2004a H01 FEE013 149.58 159.4 um what needs need to be fulfilled by the product, um what effects the product has to have and how it's actually going to do that. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 126.99 132.01 that's not out in the shops, um, trendy, appealing to a wide market,
ES2004a H01 FEE013 142.83 149.58 Okay, um, first is the functional design, um this is where we all go off and do our individual work,
ES2004a H01 FEE013 117.62 121.54 Now, we're developing a remote control which you probably already know. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 132.01 142.83 but you know, not a hunk of metal, and user-friendly, grannies to kids, maybe even pooches should be able to use it. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 159.4 160.94 Um, conceptual design, 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 162.31 167.8 what we're thinking, how it's gonna go and then the detailed design, how we're actually gonna put it into practice and make it work. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 168.79 168.88 'Kay. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 184.1 186.12 So 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 170.38 172.03 Okay, right. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 172.03 184.1 We're gonna practice with the pens and draw our favourite animal on the white board, I'll go first, and um sum up the characteristics of that animal. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 188.28 188.43 Oops. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 188.83 192.07 Okay, I'll leave space for everyone else. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 192.07 192.97 Um 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 211.46 211.97 What's missing? 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 243.22 244.33 We're running out of blue. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 246.93 247.89 Okay. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 247.89 250.6 I'm not gonna ask you to guess, I'm going to tell you that's supposed to be a tiger. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 252.48 252.56 Mm. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 254.53 257.24 And I see them as majestic, 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 255.91 256.25 Oh sorry. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 258.31 258.64 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 259.89 262.25 and independent, 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 266.18 266.97 and 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 268.7 269.06 proud. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 272.31 275.42 Now, who would like to go next? 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 275.42 275.8 'Kay. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 275.08 275.45 Yeah, me. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 277.31 279.75 Cat. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 285.14 286.61 Where did this come from? 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 289.66 290.1 There you go. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 287.57 289.66 Is that your lapel then? 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 290.68 293.32 Thank you. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 293.32 296.02 Uh, maybe you can guess what I'm trying to make? 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 289.08 290.68 Uh, yep. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 306.38 307.2 A kind of dog? 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 309.22 310.08 Yep. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 319.14 321.86 Okay, I see it as one thing it's very supportive. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 313.47 319.14 It's actually sitting, so it's sitting, it's not standing. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 315.69 317.39 It's sitting down. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 315.85 316.3 Sorry? 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 317.89 318.62 Uh. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 340.96 351.06 dogs can som sometimes can make out between a thief and a person so basically these are the three unique features I think belong to a dog. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 324.13 327.73 It's your best friend and your you can talk to a dog, it can be your best friend,
ES2004a H00 MEO015 351.06 351.47 Thank you. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 331.36 340.96 Second it's loyal and third thing it's got intuition. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 327.73 331.36 it doesn't discriminate between you, based on what you are. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 344.91 345.36 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 350.01 351.09 Okay, thank you. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 353.48 355.55 Yeah I'll have a go. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 354.11 354.82 Okay. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 356.33 356.9 Sorry. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 356.51 362.14 Please, please leave me a space at the bottom, I'm little, you can get to the top, with standing on a chair. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 356.98 357.37 Thanks. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 361.74 367.65 Well since you guys have chosen the ones I wanted to do, I'll have to have to go for something a bit random. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 359.11 361.74 Alright, okay. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 364.33 367.84 Does it look like a dog actually? 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 364.6 366.01 Okay. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 371.43 375.29 And also, my drawing skill isn't that great so, yeah. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 373.84 376.86 Well, as you can see, the quality of the work today is um 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 375.08 375.43 Mm. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 376.8 378.94 I think it's outstandingly good. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 379.6 384.48 Okay, now I'm gonna have to change what is was originally gonna be because that looks like a beak now, so. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 397.95 406.27 Well it was it was an at first firstly it was an attempt at a T. Rex and then it sort of changed into a pelican but it can be a crocodile now actually. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 390.41 397.95 Yeah, it can be a crocodile, it can be a crocodile. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 391.13 391.74 Crocodile? 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 393.99 394.92 Gonna be a bird. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 396.31 399.8 Is it gonna be it's gonna be a bird. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 403.24 403.35 O 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 420.11 420.95 That's lovely. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 425.97 426.55 Um 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 421.2 425.97 Yeah and uh I'll have to think on the spot of uh things that it is. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 421.44 422.34 Beauti that's 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 428.12 430.22 uh scary, 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 432.48 434.37 uh strong, 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 438.74 441.99 yeah that's about it I think. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 439.85 441.77 Okay it's fine. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 440.14 442.12 Okay. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 443.16 447.95 Um, I'm very impressed with your artistic skills, mine's are dreadful. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 447.95 450.85 Oops this is now coming apart, let me just put the top in. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 445.23 446.68 Uh uh 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 450.45 451.74 Wo 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 454 456.94 I hope that clicks in, I'll just I'll hold it on, okay. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 457.97 460.57 Oops, oh dear, what happened there? 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 461.09 462.16 Technical help. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 465.38 468.51 Hopefully that'll stay on, two-handed version. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 468.51 470.88 Okay, uh 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 465.48 465.99 Hmm. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 467.94 468.7 Okay. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 474.41 479.35 Again this is off the top of my head, I was gonna do a big cat too, um. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 476.71 477.79 Uh 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 481.26 484.68 Oh dear, it doesn't look what like what I want it to be. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 481.27 481.66 Hmm. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 484.48 484.72 S 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 487.1 487.71 Uh. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 487.43 487.92 Uh 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 488.77 491.41 It's not a vampire bat honestly. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 489.66 491.34 Okay, yeah. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 516.12 518.66 Da dum um. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 492.9 497.78 Uh and somewhere there's a body behind. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 499.96 508.09 that's it's meant to be an eagle you can tell it's a flying animal could have been a seagull, I never thought of a seagull. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 497.78 499.96 That's my dreadful that's the worst yet,
ES2004a H03 FEE016 511.49 516.12 I suppose they're all so independent, I'd put that one down again. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 508.09 511.49 An eagle, um again I'm thinking on my feet goodness. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 497.4 499.98 Okay, some sort of bird. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 501.19 504.66 A seagu right, not a seagull. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 501.76 503.22 Ah eagle, right okay. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 501.78 502.67 Eagle, okay. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 519.87 520.95 They're good at golf. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 526.24 526.91 Oh. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 520.28 524.92 Indepen independent, right, did you say they're good at golf? 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 524.92 526.24 Are they? 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 529.2 536.6 I'd say they're quite free-spirited, flying around everywhere, doing their own thing. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 526.91 529.2 Oh right, okay, I'm not good at golf. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 524.13 525.96 Eagle. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 524.3 528.63 Yeah, no yeah, an eagle. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 541.42 547.15 And uh, birds of prey aren't they, oh dear, intrepid. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 547.15 549.53 I'll put that, intrepid. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 545.3 545.64 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 553.66 556.77 There we go, hope that pen's gonna be okay. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 554.48 555.15 That's lovely. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 558.66 559.33 Whoops. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 561.11 561.6 Okay. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 565.46 574.64 Um finance-wise, we've got a selling price at twenty five Euros, which I don't actually know what that is in Pounds, at all. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 563.12 565.46 That was fun, right. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 574.64 575.32 Any ideas? 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 575.11 577.66 It's about mm, mm yeah. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 576.51 577.21 Seventeen. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 576.76 578.71 One point four or something like that. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 578.71 581.5 One point four Euro would make a Pound or something like that. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 580.85 587.57 Yeah, yeah, something like that, so that yeah about seventeen, seventeen Pounds, something like that. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 582.6 582.91 Yeah. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 585.12 586.38 Seventeen. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 583.85 585.12 D fifteen? 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 586.38 587.98 Okay, that's expensive. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 584.88 585.97 Seventeen Pounds. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 589.54 591.74 We can just refer to this later can't we? 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 588.37 589.54 Should we be making notes of this? 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 591.74 592.28 Yeah, okay. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 590.86 591.37 But 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 590.98 595.92 I think so, I think so, I'll be able to um pull it up, or I could put it in the shared folder or something. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 593.8 594.27 Okay. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 594.19 603.21 Havi having said that though, if you wanna get one of those the the ones on the market at the moment they're s they're about twenty pounds anyway. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 603.21 608.09 So, it'd still be yeah, we had to buy one. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 603.51 604.22 Right. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 603.88 604.22 Really? 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 605.84 606.02 So 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 606.66 607.02 Mm. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 608.09 613.92 so I suppose later it depends if we want to undercut the price, we d or or is it going to make our product look a cheapie-cheapie option? 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 608.13 609.29 I think 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 613.51 617.82 Yeah, um production cost's at twelve fifty, so 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 614.07 614.89 Hmm. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 617.54 619.59 Okay, pretty huge margin. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 624.26 629.44 Um, and profit aim is fifty million Euros, which is uh 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 619.13 624.26 half of the selling price is taken up by building it. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 621.46 622.16 Yeah. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 622.02 622.23 Mm. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 623.85 624.23 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 630.37 631.2 In our first year? 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 631.29 636.42 Yi yes, um yeah, I presume so. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 636.42 637.19 Um 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 635.54 635.88 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 636.39 637.1 So then 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 648.23 651.11 any particular thing, it's everyone user-friendly to everyone. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 651.11 651.49 Okay. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 638.1 648.23 You've got market range international and you did say earlier it's got to be a um accessible and usable by sort of all age groups just t we're not focusing on business market,
ES2004a H01 FEE013 645.17 645.59 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 649.13 650.29 No, yeah. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 653.41 655.4 Big target group. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 662.22 669.7 um making that a key point, just that it's going to be in the international market like Australia, America, things like that. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 669.7 670.24 Okay. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 653.57 662.22 So yes, yes, I don't think we have to I don't think it's a case of worrying about different languages and things like that,
ES2004a H03 FEE016 661.85 662.2 No. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 666.69 666.94 Mm. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 702.7 704.83 but that was quite good, the fact that you could 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 699.39 702.7 I think it was quite a cheapie as well, so that might have had something to do with it,
ES2004a H01 FEE013 683.47 691.67 a T. V. and a sort of amp thing all set up so we got one of the universal remote controls,
ES2004a H01 FEE013 678.29 683.47 I mean I've got we got um we had three videos 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 691.67 699.39 um that you programme each of your things into, but that kept losing the signals so we'd have to re-programme it every now and again. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 675.2 678.29 What are your experiences with remote controls? 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 687.25 687.56 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 688.13 688.44 Yeah. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 691.12 691.89 Alright. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 691.23 692.13 Yeah. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 691.49 692.22 Yeah, that c 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 701.09 701.69 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 701.1 701.88 Yeah uh. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 705.18 706.72 Use all the ones at the same time. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 705.96 708.91 You didn't have six remote controls sitting in front of you. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 708.07 708.55 Right. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 708.61 711.04 Okay, you wanna integrate everything into one like 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 711.24 713.32 Yeah, 'cause you 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 712.92 717.17 My experience has only been being given the remote control with the object I buy,
ES2004a H03 FEE016 717.17 722.44 not doing any tampering with it and programming, using it to programme T. V. and uh uh videos and things. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 722.44 727.68 But basically on, off, volume up and down, channel one, two, th that basic functions,
ES2004a H03 FEE016 711.88 712.92 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 727.68 736.05 I don't think I could go any further with it than that, so, I suppose it's got to be something usable by someone like me as well. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 712.33 712.72 Okay. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 727.67 728.16 Mm. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 737.3 751.76 I mean and you don't want to I hate I hate looking at a control and seeing a million tiny little buttons with tiny little words saying what they all do and just sitting there searching for the teletext button or something like that. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 734.98 737.3 Yeah, the main that's the main stuff anyway 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 737.29 737.67 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 746.42 746.84 Mm. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 747.66 747.95 Yeah. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 749.82 750.81 Mm. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 750.81 755.29 And symbols that you don't necessarily understand, symbols you're meant to understand that you don't. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 752.59 752.95 Yeah. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 754.86 755.92 Um. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 755.18 758.06 So simplification of symbols you could think of. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 757.43 770.73 When they're when you've got the main things on the front of it and a section opens up or something to the other functions where you can do sound or options kind of recording 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 772.83 779.79 'Cause it doesn't make when you pick it up it doesn't make it really complicated to look at, it's obvious what you're doing, um. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 770.73 772.83 things like that inside it. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 768.52 768.98 Oh yeah. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 772.32 772.69 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 775.6 775.84 Mm. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 777.34 777.65 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 777.92 778.66 Mm. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 787.04 794.48 it's got a menu display, I wonder if incorporating that into the design of a remote control might be useful, so you've got a little L. C. D. display. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 779.78 783.26 Actually that just raises a point, I wonder what our design people think,
ES2004a H03 FEE016 783.26 787.04 but you know on a mobile phone, you can press a key and it gives you a menu,
ES2004a H00 MEO015 784.99 785.28 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 787.08 787.74 Menu, alright. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 792.17 792.62 Yeah. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 792.89 793.6 Uh uh 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 800.57 806.03 may h maybe have an L. C. D. di display or something like that, like a mobile, yeah and with menus. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 806.03 812.03 And if it's s somewhat similar to what you have on mobile phone, people might find it easier to browse and navigate also maybe. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 794.46 800.57 Right, I was thinking on the same lines you, instead of having too many b buttons and make it complicated for the user,
ES2004a H03 FEE016 803.8 805.92 With menus, yeah, yeah. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 811.15 811.49 Yeah. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 812.35 813.65 What about the older generation? 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 813.65 815.09 What about granny and grandads? 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 815.21 818.96 You mean to save it lesser number. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 816.15 823.63 Um, my grandad can answer his mobile phone, but he couldn't even dream of texting or something like that. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 819.96 820.26 Yeah. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 822.52 823.79 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 823.79 827.97 Can he programme his remote control or is it basic with that too? 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 821.35 822.52 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 826.06 826.35 Right. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 828.12 831.51 I don't think they tape things, I don't think they use 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 829.37 834.05 Yeah, my grandad's actually better than me at using teletext, so. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 830.05 830.6 Right. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 833.26 833.8 Right. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 839.27 844.64 that's gonna be a problem anyway with the older generation perhaps, and that's another issue how we tackle that. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 834.64 839.27 So that's a problem regardless of of any design modifications you you come up with,
ES2004a H02 MEE014 838.64 839 Yeah. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 841.2 843.24 Mm, yeah, the age gap. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 843.73 849.58 Yeah, what it just needs to be as long as it's sort of self-intuitive and you can can work out 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 850.98 852.79 what everything's doing, 'cause I mean 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 852.79 861.94 menus on sort of new phones now they've sort of got all these pictures and stuff which makes it fairly obvious what you're trying to do. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 862.33 862.76 Mm. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 863.21 863.53 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 864.3 871.74 I don't know, I d I don't like the, you know the new phones that have kind of got a Windows-based running system. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 864.43 865.88 But I don't know how 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 870.18 870.69 Oh yeah. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 872.2 872.59 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 876.83 882.87 I di I've not got a new one but uh my friend got a new one and I was trying to do things with it and I just kept getting lost 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 882.87 883.24 but 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 872.95 876.83 I find it really confusing, I kept getting lost in the phone 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 878.36 878.8 Right. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 884.38 885.17 that's just me. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 893.7 899.31 you'd you'd have to sort of keep it down to a black and white L. C. D. thing anyway, I'd assume. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 885.18 893.7 Yeah, I don't I don't know how for twenty fi, or twelve Euros fifty how much of a excellent screen you could get,
ES2004a H01 FEE013 893.63 894.31 Yeah. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 895.43 895.75 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 898.71 905.64 Is it possible that that for the older generation you could have like an extra button that you press for large print like you do in large print books? 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 905.64 911.78 Obviously it displays less on the screen, it displays less on the screen but as long as they can read it that's the main thing. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 905.32 905.7 Okay. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 905.77 907.5 Teletext has got that option as well. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 911.86 912.35 Yeah. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 929.64 934.88 obvious symbols and that's where you control recording and things like that. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 913.69 917.37 Or what about kind of a dual function? 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 917.37 929.64 In that you've got the basic buttons just for your play, volume, programme things and also and then a menu to go into with obvious pictures 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 923.65 924.04 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 930.7 931.44 Yeah. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 932.99 933.37 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 934.74 935.18 Mm. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 940.12 943.53 it could have a flip top remote control so that when you flip over the top 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 935.18 940.12 The other thing is, just ch chucking into mobile phone f design features again 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 943.53 947.56 your screen is you can have a bigger screen in the the flip over. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 945.43 945.84 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 946.04 946.66 Mm, okay. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 948.48 953.16 I think that's a cost thing, I don't I don't know how much we're gonna know about 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 948.6 949.09 S 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 949.9 950.21 Y 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 957.38 959.24 But it might have its cost implications. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 950.91 957.38 It might it might save a b bit of space, it's i instead of looking bulky, it might look small. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 951.06 951.41 Yeah? 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 954.93 955.27 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 956.02 958.07 Yes, no that's important. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 956.78 958.6 Yeah, like smaller. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 957.25 957.6 Yeah. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 959.48 960.29 Okay. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 969.16 972.45 Sorry I'm treading on your territory guys. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 966.35 969.16 Something that's easily moulded and produced. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 959.69 966.35 And there's no reason we need to make it look as fashionable and stylish as a mobile phone, it can still be lightweight plastic, you know? 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 965.1 965.57 Mm. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 966.22 966.48 Right. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 968.84 969.23 Yeah. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 970.68 971.79 No uh uh 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 979.35 979.94 Um 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 970.97 979.35 Um, right, okay we've got half an hour before the next meeting, so we're all gonna go off and do our individual things. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 981.2 989.51 I think that's probably about it and then we'll come back and liaise again and I get to do another fantastic PowerPoint presentation. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 985.49 988.8 Yeah. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 1005.24 1014.84 so I think think the whole design thing might be qui I mean you don't you you can still have plastic and it'd look quite good but 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 996.66 1005.24 The sort of I I had a quick look at the company website and it's like the the uh we put the fashion into electronics 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 988.8 996.66 Just just a quick thing about the um about what you're saying about the uh does does it need to be fashionable? 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 991.07 991.47 Sure. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 1005.06 1005.74 Ah right. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 1005.79 1006.25 Okay. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 1005.86 1006.44 Okay. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 1006.9 1007.5 Okay. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 1009.16 1011.3 Sure b y yeah. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 1019.45 1022.1 I don't know if using plastic does make it cheaper, I presume it would. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 1013.7 1017.2 But yeah, I mean it doesn't have to be that,
ES2004a H03 FEE016 1017.2 1019.45 you know th that was my main point, we don't have to use metal,
ES2004a H03 FEE016 1022.1 1024.41 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 1018.54 1018.91 Yeah. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 1019.99 1020.49 Mm. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 1022 1022.74 Yeah. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 1022.74 1022.96 Yeah. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 1022.32 1023.99 I would it would probably. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 1025.04 1026.89 I mean there's Sky remote controls and everything. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 1026.89 1032.58 They're kind of moulded and look a bit different, and the Telewest remote controls are silver plastic,
ES2004a H01 FEE013 1038.65 1041.56 Okay, so let's break it up there. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 1032.58 1038.65 which looks a bit smarter, so yeah I guess that's stuff we can think about. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 1032.93 1033.34 Right. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 1037.32 1037.95 Okay. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 1042.19 1042.3 'Kay. 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 1042.4 1043.13 Okay? 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 1043.13 1044.16 So, see you in half an hour. 
ES2004a H02 MEE014 1042.58 1043.43 Okay. 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 1046.42 1048.29 Do we go back to our room? 
ES2004a H03 FEE016 1048.29 1048.48 Yep? 
ES2004a H01 FEE013 1047.76 1049.04 I think so, yeah. 
ES2004a H00 MEO015 1048.05 1048.38 Mm, yeah. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 0.2 4.83 Help. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 9.82 10.8 That screen's black. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 8.18 9.82 It's up there? 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 37.04 38.83 Alright, okay. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 38.83 39.72 Okay, that's fine. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 47.68 49.18 Oh God. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 55.45 55.86 Are we done? 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 74.2 78.86 Um, right our agenda for today, do you want us to give you a second? 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 66.81 74.2 Right, okay um, this is our second meeting and I might be a bit all over the place. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 80.31 81.52 Uh, no that's okay, sorry. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 81.27 83.53 Okay, um 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 85.93 88.7 I'll go over what we decided last meeting, 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 89.12 89.38 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 90.54 91.15 um, 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 92.63 99.12 we decided upon a universal control, one handset for all, T. V., video 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 100.62 101.81 equipment. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 112.16 120.23 We decided it was important to reflect the company's image in our product, we put fashion in electronics, you know that kind of s thing. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 101.81 112.16 Um, that it was important that the product was accessible to a wide range of consumers, wide age range, not limiting anyone. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 120.23 129.47 Um, our budget would have to affect um try not to reflect our budget, um that we might 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 100.7 100.94 Sorry. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 143.4 144.13 Um 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 136.33 143.4 Um dissonance between what our budget was and what we want it to look like. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 131.41 136.33 have a bit of oh oh you can see it, okay. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 144.85 148.69 want it to look uncluttered, undaunting to the customer. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 148.69 159.36 We discussed a flip-open design, um reducing the size of the control and an electronic panel um for further features like programming, things like that. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 163.24 166.8 Um, three presentations, I've got written here so 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 161.19 163.24 Okay. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 168.66 170.62 shall we hear from Marketing first? 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 171.01 175.84 Um is it okay if I postpone that til later, I just want to get access to a little bit more information, is that okay? 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 175.03 177.32 No that's fine, that's fine. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 177.91 179.31 Can I grab the 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 176.5 177.91 Okay, yeah I'll go first. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 179.07 179.82 Unplug me. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 182.12 183.41 Thanks. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 191.55 192.24 What do I have to press? 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 192.24 193.32 Oh, F. eight? 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 194 195.12 Um, F. N. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 195.96 197.26 function F. eight. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 196.84 197.89 Oh right, yeah. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 200.97 201.45 Okay. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 203.67 204.61 Maybe 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 209.34 209.78 Yep. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 209.98 210.62 Yep there we go. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 212.5 218.49 Okay this is uh the working design, presented by me, the uh Industrial Designer extraordinaire. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 225.01 228.85 What the first thing question I asked was what are we trying to design? 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 228.85 233.58 Well, a device which basically just sends the signal to the T. V. to change its state,
ES2004b H02 MEE014 219.96 225.01 'Kay, this is where I went a bit mad with PowerPoint so. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 233.58 238.44 whether that be the power, or the channel um or the volume 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 238.44 246.92 everything is just um some sort of signal to change the state of the T. V. or other appliance that it's sending the signal to. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 257.38 260.06 But uh although we will want to be taking 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 249.03 257.38 Um, so I decided I'd have a look at what th other people have designed and try and take some inspiration from that. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 261.48 272.08 ideas from other people, we wanna make sure that our design stands out and I thought that was something that well it wasn't really my area because 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 321.73 322.22 Yeah sure. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 302.49 303.87 Now our one 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 298.52 302.49 Um, most of them are powered by some form of battery. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 294.82 298.52 wireless and, you don't need to send very much information. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 280.55 294.82 Um and uh I found out that most uh controls use some form of infrared to send signals to the T. V. presumably because of the cost issue of uh something like uh the same thing that computers use,
ES2004b H02 MEE014 303.87 321.73 I'm I'm not sure whether we want to look at the size issue because most of them are powered by triple A. batteries but those can be quite bulky so I d I didn't know if you wanted to look at something else um so we could shrink down the size of the control. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 272.66 274.89 I'm dealing with the inside really. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 274.89 280.55 So um, yeah I ran out of time so I couldn't do this one as fun as the last one. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 323.02 326.75 You're saying the triple A. batteries are small or the surrounding it? 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 319.7 323.02 Could I can I interject to ask a question there, is that appropriate? 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 319.14 319.7 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 321.51 321.97 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 326.17 332.53 if you if you look at if you look at most remote controls they're quite they're quite chunky and that's because of the size of the batteries 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 354.61 360.32 Um, now the ones at the moment are small but I was just wondering if we could look at something a bit smaller. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 347.54 354.61 Um, and d which leads sort of onto the next point about 'em being small and easy to carry round. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 332.53 337.69 they have to be obviously this certain size to fit those batteries in. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 337.69 347.54 Yeah the the well you can you can get the sort of circular round ones but I'm just wondering about power consumption and how much you need to send the data across. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 325.58 326.17 Um no no 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 330.58 330.96 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 335.95 338.76 Right, the triple A. s are the smallest you can get are they not, right? 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 338.28 338.73 They are. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 338.55 338.75 Okay. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 341.57 342.56 Oh I see. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 345.51 345.9 Okay. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 361.19 368.8 Now the main components I came up with um were obviously the power source for the batteries 'cause otherwise it's not gonna work 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 373.34 392.12 we can uh discuss that later and then you obviously need something to decode the information that you're putting in from from the controller and to turn it into an i uh infrared signal which we're going to use to send the information. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 401.49 407.24 which not most people do so as we're applying to the most audience that should be fine. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 368.8 373.34 uh as I said about the w which batteries we were gonna choose 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 392.12 401.49 Now these have a wireless range of up to about five metres which is sort of suitable for anyone who's watching the T. V. unless they're in a cinema 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 407.24 417.86 And then I was uh just had a quick look at the external design but I d I left that mostly to the uh interface designer. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 433.07 441.8 we've just got the the power going to the infrared bulb with the chip and the uh U. I. interface um 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 419.18 422.76 And so this is what I had as the basic idea of what we wanna do. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 422.76 428.28 It's not a proper circuit, I'm not sure if it'd work or not 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 428.28 433.07 I'm not even confident that those are the real um the real way you'd wire it up but anyway 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 444.4 453.51 when you when you pressed anything it would the chip would convert it into some form of I. R. data which could be decoded by the T. V. receiver 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 453.51 458.81 which obviously means that we're gonna have to conform to whatever 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 443.35 444.4 which would basically 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 499.53 512.25 uh because they're small they're also easy to lose so if we could look into some way of d dunno some anti-going down the side of the sofa thing that you could have 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 472.4 473.88 And then finally 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 487.72 495.34 Um it should should be different enough um from the alternative products to get a good consumer base 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 473.88 487.72 um we want uh the it to be available to a wide audience at a low cost so all the components that I've put forward are uh low in cost so that that should be good. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 512.25 517.07 I th that was just sort of a general point there. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 459.92 472.4 um whatever form of communication that the T. V. s are already using and since that that's another use and reason to use that infrared because that's what all T. V. s use at the moment. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 517.07 519.03 And that's uh yeah. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 495.34 499.53 we were talking about it before and also just something that I was thinking about 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 500.24 500.96 Mm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 509.72 510.23 Mm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 517.15 523.58 That's a very important part, it came up in our market research findings too so I can refer to that, whenever you like me to present. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 515.94 517.15 Mm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 521.71 528.65 Alright okay, and yeah, that's that's what I came up with there, so if you wanna 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 530.17 532.35 Um, would you like to continue on from that? 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 527.66 530.17 Okay, thank you very much. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 531.35 531.92 Yep. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 534.45 534.6 Ooh. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 535.76 536.24 'Kay. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 536.24 538.99 It can be okay, that's okay with me. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 535.91 538.54 Or, maybe move the laptop over. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 544.49 545.49 further. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 572.79 572.98 Oops. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 591.04 593.21 Why's it not working? 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 593.21 593.79 F. eight, right? 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 594.77 596.3 F. function. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 595.48 596.79 Function F. eight yeah. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 596.59 597.13 Okay. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 602.55 604.16 Mm why's it in the right? 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 602.63 602.91 No. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 604.86 607.28 The plug hasn't come out at the bottom, has it? 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 607.28 607.59 No. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 606.73 608.14 Yeah, it's connecting. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 607.45 610.98 No, no yeah it's just. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 609.04 610 Meter adjusting. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 611.8 613.67 okay. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 612.74 613.55 Oh, there. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 625.15 635.47 just a couple of valuable points and started developing on that and there might be some missing loops in this thing which I think we'll uh take a feedback from the marketing because 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 614.77 616.2 Yeah. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 616.2 625.15 Actually mm some of my points might overlap with what William's just mention, but basically my method was like uh whatever brainstorming we did in the last meeting 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 618.67 619.07 Yeah. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 636.91 642.55 um, I haven't had some marketing data and basically every product is marketable. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 649.19 652.98 And to summarise I I would say it's it should be user-friendly by being easy to use, 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 642.55 649.19 So purpose, as William already said, I would put it to simplify the interaction with T. V. to make make it as simple as possible. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 654.04 661.92 rather than having a lot of complex button because you can have an engineering maybe having hundred buttons and maybe having uh a remote control which has the main features 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 663.15 666.22 like volume control or channel ch changing the channel or whatever. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 693.51 706.54 So it's like it could be accessed by a wide ra range of uh audience and we can punch in new f features such as uh added features such as shock proof body and maybe a design to appeal to a lot of people. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 677.37 690.35 The main functions such as which are like often used will be on the top and the complex functions which say you you can say like the y young generation or trendy generation want to pr say programme their favourite channels or whatever 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 674.62 677.37 So what the concept is to have a flip-top model. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 690.35 693.51 can be put in the middle part of the f flip-top. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 667.41 674.62 But we are to to make it unique so that people want to buy it, will this two features together. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 728.14 736.49 As we saw we we have to make a profit also so we we can maybe go for an economies of a higher production mm by fifty million we said? 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 736.49 743.78 Yeah, with that I think we'll be able to achieve economies of scale also, so we can give in add in more features and make it less costly. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 708.26 728.14 Findings most people prefer us user-friendly rather than complex remote controls because there are times like uh people have used a remote control for say a year or something and they they are not used maybe thirty to forty percent of the buttons so it's not of no use of punching in the uh trying to put in those things in on the top of the remote control and try to confuse the user. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 736.03 736.36 Yeah. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 745.44 746.11 Um, 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 747.62 752.12 that's so this is if you ask me personally, I would make uh 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 754.47 767.62 flip-top with a trendy uh uh design and s maybe we we should look at also like the buttons whe whether they are like soft or little hard because they are times when the buttons tend to be a bit hard after uh continuous use usage and all that. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 767.62 769.03 So in overall a simple and uh 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 762.29 762.86 Yeah. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 770.84 771.76 user-friendly design. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 772.45 773 Mm. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 773.02 774.69 Uh any comments like, if you want? 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 773.23 773.66 'Kay. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 778.86 784.35 okay so if anyone wants to write something down that they want to bring up at the end, um 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 775.51 778.86 Um, I think we'll chat about it at the end,
ES2004b H00 MEO015 778.4 779.37 Okay. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 782.79 783.21 'Kay. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 782.92 783.7 Yeah sure. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 788.55 790.91 Ooh, it's vibrating, that's strange. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 792.6 793.39 Oh, God. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 802.68 803.36 Right, okay. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 805.69 806.53 Does it matter? 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 803.09 805.69 Have I got to keep this here? 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 803.45 804.68 I think you'll have to 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 805.44 806.61 You can't 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 807.27 809.5 It'll have to this can't be pulled. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 815.94 817.4 Will it manage? 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 811.85 815.94 Uh, whoops. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 817.4 820.67 Bit more, oh dear. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 808.75 811.85 I'll have t I'll have to move it won't I? 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 809.59 811.03 We just do the best we can. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 813 814.24 You'll have to push it a bit more. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 817.97 818.22 Yep. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 819.28 820.28 Yeah this is more than enough. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 826.6 828.31 There we go, I've got a bit more of the cable. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 827.03 827.85 Okay. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 828.11 828.82 Oh. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 830.72 830.98 There we go. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 831.36 832.35 Is that okay? 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 834.36 835.5 Yeah I think you can pull it out now. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 836.79 839.9 Thank you, just pull it closer a little bit. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 840.09 843.98 Uh you should be able to and yeah, there you go. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 841.3 841.97 Yeah, you might. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 841.71 843.87 Get it right over, okay, thank you. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 843.75 843.92 Ah. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 844.9 845.43 Look at that. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 845.63 857.25 Okay, um, I'm going to look at the functional requirements from the marketing point of view and uh obviously our starting point with marketing is always market research. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 861.49 866.7 the company's usability lab, we did our usual selection methods to get a cross-section of the general public,
ES2004b H03 FEE016 857.25 861.49 Um, so that's where we started, we used our our usability lab,
ES2004b H03 FEE016 866.7 872.19 male and female, all age groups from fifteen upwards and um we observed them in the lab,
ES2004b H03 FEE016 872.19 876.26 just their general use of the remote control, you can see we had a hundred subjects there. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 876.33 880.97 Our findings, lots of findings, I've just summarised some of them here. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 888.14 890.76 so it has obvious design implications there. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 880.97 888.14 The overall thing which I've I've got at the top there in italics is that users dislike the look and feel of current remote controls 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 890.76 895.59 Um, we found that seventy five percent of users find most remote controls ugly. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 896.95 903.32 Eighty percent would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy, we were quite surprised by that finding,
ES2004b H03 FEE016 925.88 927.83 So again there's power implications there. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 917.9 925.88 For example, you can see below there, seventy five percent of users zap a lot, so you've got your person sunk back in the sofa channel-hopping. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 903.32 912.2 but um that's quite a high proportion of our our, you know, international target group are prepared to spend more money for something that's a bit nicer looking. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 912.2 917.9 Um, current remote controls do not match well with the operating behaviour of the user overall. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 922.62 922.74 Yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 942.52 943.05 Um 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 927.92 934.54 Um, fifty percent of users only use ten percent of the buttons, so again a big design issue there. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 934.54 942.52 Um and possibly we can also cut back on cost if we don't have so many functions actually on the remote control. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 946.9 955.91 the biggest frustrations that people found with regard to personal preferences were um something that you you mentioned earlier, uh remote controls are often lost in the room,
ES2004b H03 FEE016 962.72 972.38 Uh thirty four percent of people take said they take too much time to learn to use and I think that ties in with the um the previous finding of people only using ten percent of the buttons 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 955.91 962.72 it's a slipping down the back of the sofa type of thing, uh fifty percent were were particularly frustrated by that. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 972.38 975.21 they just can't be bothered to learn about the other functions. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1005.48 1013.64 but which I'm thinking of now is um even if perhaps the lost control can give off a bleep every now and again til you find it or a flashing light 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 983.56 988.96 You know those small movements of the remote control can lead to kind of shoulder and elbow problems. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1004.31 1005.48 Something we didn't put to them 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 988.96 996.89 Um the vast majority of the thirty five and under age group would like um a liquid crystal display and speech recognition,
ES2004b H03 FEE016 996.89 1004.31 again that was to aid I think in uh when they've lost the actual remote control, some kind of speech recognition. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1020.5 1026.45 that kind of evens out thirty five to forty five and in the older age group it kind of reverses, they're not so bothered with this. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 976.07 983.56 Um, um slightly more than a quarter of people said it was bad for uh repetitive strain injury. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1018.2 1020.5 So thirty fives and unders who would like those two features,
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1013.64 1014.96 possibly. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1014.96 1018.2 Um, that trend reverses in the older age groups. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1027.24 1031.67 I had marvellous tables and things that I could show you, but I think I'll just keep it simple,
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1031.67 1036.14 if there's any more information I can email you extra details, is that okay? 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1027.78 1027.96 'Kay. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1035.91 1036.31 Yeah. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1034.6 1035.91 Okay. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1034.76 1036.51 That's fine. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1035.23 1035.74 Okay. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1038.69 1040.58 Right, um 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1039.01 1039.27 Huh. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1041.72 1044.85 we have new project requirements, um 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1060.34 1061.48 Um 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1051.1 1060.34 we're not going to be using teletext, um apparently the consumers consider it outdated with the internet now. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1054.19 1054.57 Okay. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1062.4 1068.56 our control is only going to be for T. V., it's not going to be a combined control,
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1068.56 1078.44 which limits you know all of the different things that it limits the cost for us, but it also makes it easier to understand for the consumer. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1074.54 1074.9 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1076.83 1080.58 Mm-hmm, so can we not programme a video with this remote control? 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1080.57 1091.8 It says for T. V. only, so looks like it's just yeah, I think maybe Sky things like that might be incorporated into it, but 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1084.48 1085.35 Just channel-hopping. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1094.19 1095.5 I don't know, what do you think? 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1097.81 1102.13 But I mean, general T. V. controls do do video as well. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1095.5 1097.81 It just said, for T. V. only. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1097.68 1099.31 Would that imply video use? 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1099.29 1100.99 T yeah yeah. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1103.65 1105.86 I d well I dunno 'cause uh the w if you've g 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1104.44 1108.88 I mean you bu well som you get com you get combined T. V. and videos don't you? 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1108.33 1109.05 Yeah. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1109.05 1115.1 If yeah and if you got if you got a Sky box, they have one of those plus boxes 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1115.1 1122.32 you can record straight off the T. V. anyway so on to on to like the T. V. hard drive or so. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1108.66 1110.06 Mm-hmm, yes. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1117.94 1118.4 Mm. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1122.45 1127 I think we assume that it's still got play and stop functions and programming. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1125.84 1126.51 Yes. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1126.27 1133.86 Anything about that on the market research or something like regarding whether people want a combined something like that? 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1127.26 1127.68 Yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1142.81 1148.18 I think th th those do tend to be the basic channel-hopping things and on and off for the video, fast-forwarding 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1154.53 1156.69 So I don't know if that's something we need to look at. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1134.29 1142.81 Um we didn't really look into that but remember we found that finding that most people only use about uh ten percent of the buttons,
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1148.18 1154.53 so on and I think it's sort of general knowledge that people do find programming their videos a nightmare. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1140.58 1140.9 Mm. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1140.9 1141.29 Ten perc 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1142.71 1143.06 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1146.25 1146.53 Yeah. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1154.29 1154.66 Okay. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1154.47 1155.08 Hmm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1155.83 1166.33 Ju um just as an idea on the uh speech recognition thing that pr it'd probably be quite expensive to incorporate an entire speech recognition thing and they're not that great anyway. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1159.75 1160.27 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1162.44 1162.7 Pens 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1179.28 1184.04 So you can see how the the yes no sort of varies across the age group there,
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1184.04 1188.99 and a substantial number of don't knows in the older age group, I think that's just general fear of new technology. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1165.82 1172.4 In fact I've just called up that table there, we asked those two questions, the table relates to both questions, so we didn't differentiate. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1172.4 1179.28 Would you prefer an L. C. D. screen, that's multi-function remote and would you pay more for speech recognition in a remote control? 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1167.64 1168.44 Alright, okay. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1176.59 1177.63 Alright, okay. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1182.35 1182.72 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1182.75 1183.07 Yeah. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1188.44 1190.2 Yeah, bu 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1188.63 1200.8 Yeah but um on on that again I just thought 'cause you can get those key chains now and you whistle and then it'll let off a loud noise to let you know where it is so I thought that could be quite a 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1189.31 1189.66 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1196.31 1197.03 Oh yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1199.17 1200.03 Right. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1206.46 1217.83 so I think when we can take a cheaper option which still does the same kinda thing um because it is something I it needs to be the thing that you 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1200.74 1206.46 We do have a budget limitation that we can't control ourselves 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1210.11 1210.55 Mm. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1228.86 1233.85 you go and press the button on top of the T. V. and it beeps and you're like oh okay it's over there,
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1223.67 1228.86 maybe on the T. V. you could put like a pack on the T. V. or something so you can't see the remote 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1218.65 1223.67 use to find it needs to be something that you don't lose, you were saying whistling 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1233.85 1237.11 something like that, but that's that sounds a lot cheaper to me. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1222.04 1222.95 Yeah. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1222.95 1223.39 Yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1232.06 1232.55 Yes. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1232.15 1232.45 Yeah. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1232.39 1232.88 Okay. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1233.66 1234.69 That's a super idea. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1234.92 1236.79 Hmm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1236.79 1237.15 Yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1237.49 1237.95 Yeah. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1238 1247.66 Um the third thing was that we have to make sure the corporate image is very much incorporated into the handset. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1247.66 1252.53 Um so we want logo, we want um 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1254.9 1258.56 fashionable, trendy, I mean what you were talking about with the marketing. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1259.31 1263.71 Um, people paying more for it to look good. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1264.92 1267.81 Um, we need to focus on that as well. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1277.82 1285.91 What is um attractive to a trendy New Yorker and what is attractive to a retired South African, I dunno, you get the idea. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1271.42 1277.82 it's gonna be different for a fifteen year old th for somebody who's sixty and also across the world if we're aiming at the international market. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1285.91 1287.72 It's it's gonna vary around the world. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1267.34 1271.42 Yes, further market research will be needed to kind of focus on what that is 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1291.54 1299.67 it's the user interface design that may and th the sort of you know fashionable aspect of it we might have to change for different markets round the world. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1287.72 1291.54 At the end of the day, th the engineering design is one thing 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1273.88 1274.46 Yeah. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1283.54 1283.98 Mm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1294.11 1295.03 Yeah. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1299.75 1300.24 Yeah. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1300.21 1305.39 So are we talking of a single model or maybe five, six designs? 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1306.29 1306.56 Sure. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1306.3 1312.04 Well y yeah you could you could have a number of different designs I mean inside they'd be essentially exactly the same. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1308.81 1309 Alright. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1311.92 1312.16 Right. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1312.25 1312.61 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1313.27 1317.16 Just yeah, yeah. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1313.49 1316.65 The features could be same and the body could look slightly different. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1313.86 1314.19 Yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1316.47 1316.75 Mm. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1318.07 1318.64 So 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1320.38 1327.5 What about you were talking about the buttons, um the controls that are coming out now have kind of big,
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1327.5 1334.69 rubber buttons, not tiny little one, big, rubber buttons, but what about, I mean, 'cause we got to make it original, 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1323.05 1323.26 Yeah. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1335.28 1335.94 'Kay. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1336.2 1337.36 what about 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1338.69 1342.01 um you know with the touch screen computers 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1340.69 1344.62 Yeah, yeah that's what I was just yeah. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1343.34 1344.32 yeah? 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1344.32 1353.94 Um so you it's like a little panel that you touch rather than a button which shouldn't wear out as much either, not sure about the 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1352.9 1356.25 No, well no 'cause you wouldn't have to you don't actually have to press them you just 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1358.4 1370.75 Um, think that might appeal I'm thinking kind of Japan, I'm thinking uh young, um office people, trendy kind of a thing. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1355.18 1358.4 You don't have to press it, you just have to put your thumb onto it. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1357.49 1357.84 Yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1367.66 1368.18 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1366.52 1367.66 Mm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1369.74 1370.17 Yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1370.01 1372.51 Yes it will appeal to sections of the market def 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1372.06 1375.31 Um, but quite, um,
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1375.31 1385.64 easily labelled so that anyone can oh yeah that's obvious what that's for and it's not daunting to maybe the older generations, um 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1380.31 1380.86 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1383.37 1384.95 Mm-hmm, mm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1384.1 1384.96 Mm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1384.96 1389.17 But also er ergonomics as we're saying with the different designs 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1389.17 1406.03 ergonomics uh there's sort of physically different things 'cause um if you've ever seen the X. Box they had to make two different sized controllers because people in Japan wouldn't buy it because the controller was physically to big because um 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1402.84 1403.57 Were too big. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1406.93 1423.76 they're c uh just generally Japanese people have smaller hands so they couldn't get round the controller which is uh so if you I don't know what 'cause you obviously you can have bigger buttons for some countries or something and smaller ones for others. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1410.76 1411.12 Mm. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1424.36 1430.6 Yeah, uh maybe to as uh it it was indicated that uh uh risk uh of uh repeated use,
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1430.6 1434.27 the injuries, maybe a touch screen could be a better option for that. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1435.31 1435.73 Yeah. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1433.94 1435.31 Yeah. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1441.96 1446.33 you're desi uh dividing it according to the countries also, the market. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1446.33 1452.86 Maybe for U. S. and all you can have a slightly bigger remote control and maybe in Japan and all you need to have a small, yeah. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1436.72 1441.96 So, a bigger b okay so y you're dividing designs based on not only segment age groups,
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1445.71 1446.05 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1449.05 1449.47 Yeah. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1452.19 1452.97 Hmm. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1461.58 1465.4 or they can make it bigger or they can change the features slightly, um. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1452.56 1461.58 I think we have to design one product and then the company can take it wherever they want to uh in the sense that they can make it smaller,
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1454.52 1454.71 Huh. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1456 1456.55 Yeah. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1461.7 1462.16 Yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1463.76 1464.14 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1464.74 1464.95 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1465.28 1469.51 Th the internal d engineering design has got to remain the same, yes, absolutely. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1467.96 1477.15 It's gonna be the same, so we need to focus on just one thing, not get bogged down in lots of different um possibilities, um. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1471.32 1471.69 Yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1471.32 1471.64 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1475.77 1476.17 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1477.56 1482.24 I'm concerned, when you read the the R. S. I. issue again, repetitive strain injury 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1489.82 1494.85 Um, R. S. I. tends to be caused by repetitive small movements. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1482.24 1485.81 I don't think just moving your finger around on a small screen is going to deal with that enough 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1485.81 1489.82 I think that is still a kind of a question mark issue how we deal with that. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1491.38 1492.01 Yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1496.07 1501.79 I'm j I really can't get my head round this one, this may have to be postponed to a future meeting but it's something we should think about. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1498.23 1498.64 Yeah. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1501.92 1513.05 I yeah I was just thinking about how you could combat that 'cause without without doing something where you have to move your arm around to change the channel and it becomes yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1504.62 1505 Mm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1510.52 1513.22 I know, and it becomes ridiculous, yes I know. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1512.86 1519.74 Or a speech recognition, which is extremely expensive, I think that's the only way that you kind of avoid 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1514.24 1517.23 Yeah, speech recognition, but yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1514.44 1514.64 Yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1517.26 1517.82 Yes. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1519.63 1520.01 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1520.84 1521.77 that kind of issue. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1522.11 1528.75 Do we have to initially um, you know looking at the findings here, focus on 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1530.2 1534.26 a younger age group initially and then broaden out the market later. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1537.57 1538.03 Um. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1534.26 1537.57 Do we really have to go for everyone right away? 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1537.12 1537.34 Mm. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1537.5 1539.4 We could focus on the biggest market. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1539.65 1540.2 Mm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1540.22 1541.51 Ge uh 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1540.4 1543.64 If say people between age group of twenty to thirty five are the biggest market? 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1542.65 1547.87 And when we've been throwing up our ideas we're automatically talking about business people, young people, trendy people. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1547.52 1550.02 We are we're talking about um 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1574.18 1579.83 but I don't think we're focusing on that, I think we are focusing on a sort of mid-range um, 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1554.96 1565.2 That they want um it to be fashionable, they want it to be trendy and you wouldn't automatically assume associate that with the older generations. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1565.2 1574.18 Now with the baby boomers, the older generations are actually larger, they have a greater population than us young people,
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1552.03 1554.96 the type of company that we're working for as well. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1564.53 1564.93 Mm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1571.95 1572.37 Yeah. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1572.74 1573.04 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1573.4 1573.94 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1578.56 1579.18 Mm. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1581.24 1583.61 business kind of class type people. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1582.61 1583.4 Mm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1588.78 1593.35 we want to, you know, not waste money, not be profligate and uh 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1583.4 1588.78 I'm just thinking of budgetary issues too, for when it does get to the sort of broad scale marketing stage,
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1592.2 1592.61 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1595.38 1597.72 you know focus on where the idea will be taken up 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1597.72 1602.76 first it's most likely to be taken up first of all where the main purchasing power is coming from for a product like this. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1609.42 1616.12 Um we've got the T. V., we've got the video, now there's um 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1604.71 1609.42 Okay, so the remote control functions. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1612.5 1612.81 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1617.5 1623.92 I can't remember what it's called, the little code at the end of programme details, yes. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1622.4 1623.51 Video plus. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1625.8 1637.55 We could use that as an alternative to programming in times, things like that, is that I always found that really easy when I discovered it, um 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1631.98 1633.15 Yeah yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1635.41 1635.6 Mm. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1636.65 1636.89 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1649.79 1654.02 you put the number in and it's just a number, it's not a date, it's not a time,
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1638.84 1644.86 because you've got your general record anyway so if you there's a programme on you want to put record on,
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1654.02 1658.77 it's not a channel, it's not when it finishes, it's not anything like that, it's just a number. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1644.86 1649.79 that's fine, but if you do want to tape something in two days time and you're not sure if you're going to,
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1647.81 1649.11 Just whack in the number. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1658.94 1662.37 And you wouldn't you wouldn't need uh a whole host of extra buttons for that,
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1662.37 1665.55 you just need one 'cause you've already got all the numbers there anyway, yeah. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1656.87 1658.94 And you w yeah. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1662.48 1662.86 No. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1664.23 1666.41 You've already got the numbers for typing in anyway. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1665.69 1670.39 Right, I've not come across that function but it sounds wonderful. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1675.75 1691.04 six digit number afterwards and that's the number you put in and it's recorded that it's going to be on on Tuesdays at ten o'clock on the seventeenth so you don't have to worry about dates and you don't have to worry about times 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1691.04 1694.55 um and it has been around for quite a long time. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1669.4 1675.75 It is after um if you look in the newspaper, T. V. guide or any T. V. guide there's a five 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1671.85 1672.8 It's not 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1675.91 1676.4 Yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1679.6 1680.27 Ah, hmm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1690.16 1690.56 Right. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1693.47 1699.12 It's been been around for a long time it's just it's not very well advertised as to how to use it and things. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1697.12 1702.88 No it's not um but I think if awareness was kind of brought to the forefront about that 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1698.1 1698.61 Superb. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1700.76 1701.18 Mm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1702.08 1703.3 Mm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1703.3 1714.57 Though if y if you've got something like Sky anyway you can just click on it you can just press the button on the programme once and it'll record that programme when it's on and you press it on it twice and it'll record the whole series. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1702.49 1703.17 Yes. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1711.46 1711.79 Mm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1711.5 1712.21 Right. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1714.61 1716.36 Excellent, mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1716.08 1718.63 So that yeah. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1718.63 1722.03 But just to have that function would be would be really good. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1717.78 1718.01 Mm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1720.74 1721.28 Right. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1722.21 1722.99 Okay so 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1723.2 1728.08 Can I just run this past you while it occurs to me, I don't mean to quickly jump from one subject to another,
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1728.08 1734.73 but just discussing the different age groups and targeting the different age groups it occurs to me, to produce our own mobile phones,
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1759.85 1765.11 if they know they can just pop into one of our high street outlets, th you know, which button is it I press for this? 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1747.4 1750.78 they'll phone the company, you can use their telephones. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1734.73 1743.07 that that's kind of what led us on to comparing T. V. remote controls with with their design features, um, chain companies like Carphone Warehouse 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1743.07 1747.4 you can pop in anytime with a phone that you bought for them w if you've got any problems with it and they'll fix it,
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1765.11 1769.14 Th as free as a free aspect of our service, would that not make it more attractive to them? 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1750.78 1759.85 Is it worthwhile with with our retail outlets having a a similar um kind of service so that if older users were deterred from buying this,
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1747.48 1747.84 Yeah. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1748.56 1748.98 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1770.63 1794.51 But the only problem is that with a mobile phone you signed for a contract so they um the companies who uh who you deal with have actually they've they've got an obligation to to help you out and also I mean it's it's fair enough to have some sort of help service but I I'm not sure how much the cost would be of having 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1769.22 1770.63 Mm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1784.08 1784.38 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1782.86 1784.08 Mm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1793.81 1794.4 Right. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1794.43 1800.41 The functionality of it in the sense that you're sitting there, you're pressing this button and your T. V. 's not doing it. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1800.71 1801.17 Alright. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1801.25 1805.92 Taking your T. V. and your control and saying look this is what I'm doing, it's not working, what should I do? 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1802.51 1803.54 Yes 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1808.28 1813.23 but I mean for if there were any more or are we absolutely definite it's only gonna be for T. V. and video,
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1813.23 1816.22 we're not gonna put any okay, just a thought. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1804.7 1808.28 If it was something as simple as you couldn't change the channel 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1813.45 1814.12 Yeah, I mean 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1815.42 1816.12 Um 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1813.66 1815.42 I think so. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1816.39 1820.14 I mean instru instruction books I feel c I reckon can cover that. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1818.27 1819.72 Instruction manuals. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1819.72 1823.07 But I mean they're there's customer service 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1831.25 1836.34 there's no extra, t the person has to walk to a shop on the high street, um. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1823.07 1831.25 there will be a customer service number thing that you can phone up and speak to and that way there's no call out charge,
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1819.52 1820.01 Okay. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1823.19 1823.96 Yeah. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1825.4 1826.49 Department, yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1825.64 1826.08 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1828.43 1829 Sure. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1832.9 1833.35 Mm. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1835.6 1840.36 I think it will be too much of an effort for a person to for a phone maybe he might walk down the street 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1833.96 1835.6 Right. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1840.36 1843.27 but for a remote he will just refer to the manual and all that. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1834.89 1835.16 Yeah. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1839.56 1840.04 Yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1841.9 1845.5 Not for such simple functions because we're focusing on that, yes okay. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1842.29 1845.1 And they're yeah, they should be f yeah. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1844.69 1854.3 But we should focus on making the manual as user-friendly as possible because a lot of them are just tiny little writing and lots and lots of pages. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1861.23 1863.46 Um, what other functions? 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1854.3 1858.16 It does, you just put it in the drawer until something goes wrong and then you try and search through it 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1844.07 1844.69 Mm. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1863.46 1869.57 We need I'm not sure if we need a design um decision now,
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1858.16 1861.23 so that should be something we think about. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1877.14 1879.22 Mobile phone batteries, what kinda battery is that? 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1869.57 1877.14 but we should think about c 'cause you've got the dilemma between oh batteries, that's what I was thinking about. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1847.51 1847.87 Simple. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1848.6 1849.14 Mm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1848.94 1849.2 Yeah. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1850.92 1851.67 Yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1853.34 1855.86 Puts people off reading them so they just do the obvious, yes. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1854.03 1854.87 It's the uh yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1858.4 1860.28 Sure, okay. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1860.91 1861.14 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1885.61 1889.87 but they come with a charger, I mean you could you could bundle a charger in with it but 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1879.56 1885.61 Um they're they're specially made for the for the mobile phones,
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1897.72 1901.69 you sit it in its charger when you're not using it or t at night or something 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1901.69 1906.74 but it doesn't really matter 'cause it never really runs out 'cause it lasts a long time once it is charged. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1888.54 1897.72 Well they la they they last quite a long time, and if you had uh when you th the thing that you get with mobile house phones 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1906.74 1910.03 Um, something like that should reduce the size of it. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1891.37 1891.86 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1897.23 1897.87 Yeah. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1900.46 1900.83 Yeah. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1900.73 1901.39 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1904.96 1905.32 Yeah. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1909.09 1917.34 Yeah and if yeah if you if you had if you had one of those uh just coming back to your other point about pressing the button and setting off the bleeper in the room that could uh 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1918.2 1921.07 Yeah it could be on that yeah, okay. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1919.28 1920.56 Yeah on that as well so. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1922.51 1922.83 S 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1922.53 1926.16 So are we talking of a concept of a rechargeable something on the remote? 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1925.52 1929.7 Yeah some sort of docking station or yeah. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1926.1 1926.66 Yes. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1927.73 1929.46 Rechargeable with a docking station. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1927.74 1928.16 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1930.74 1932.61 So the rechargeable which would be your 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1933.38 1939.63 Yeah yeah th yeah that that'd be fine, and also that would mean they wouldn't have to go out buying batteries all the time. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1934.02 1934.38 field. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1936.13 1936.67 Okay. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1942.91 1947.7 Um, th the shape you got trendy. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1939.52 1942.91 Yes, which it is cheaper in the long run as well. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1954.98 1962.49 because then you have got the repetitive strain injury no matter how many how much you try and make it simple, um 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1947.7 1954.98 I don't wanna big box with lots of things, you don't want a tiny sort of little thing either,
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1939.81 1940.56 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1939.86 1940.14 Right. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1941.38 1941.75 Yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1953.34 1953.66 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1954.73 1955 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1959.26 1959.62 Mm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1962.61 1966.62 And we don't w I mean so many remote controls look absolutely identical, these long 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1966.62 1970.58 brown things with the same coloured buttons all crammed in on the s the surface. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1970.58 1977.64 We definitely an ob an obvious thing, a very simple thing is to get away from these brown rectangles, we don't want that. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1966.09 1966.76 They do. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1966.24 1966.56 Yeah. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1977.18 1978.75 Okay so we've got a flip-screen. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1977.87 1977.99 Okay. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 1980.08 1980.88 Um 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1988.46 1992.79 Basically we have a flat one it it looks like a box, like a chocolate. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1999.46 2002.18 and you don't have to you don't bend your thumb too much,
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1982.82 1988.46 What I was thinking of a design which Nokia h uh came up with almost six or seven years back. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2002.18 2005.88 so it's like uh you can say a banana shape kind of thing, curled up like a boat. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 1992.79 1999.46 That's very strenuous because your thumb is slightly up, so they came up with something like this, curled up, so here 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 1991.51 1992.52 Yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 1995.5 1995.84 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2003.79 2005.52 Slightly curved, curved. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 2005.14 2005.82 Yeah. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2005.98 2006.53 Okay. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2007.44 2011.69 G uh so what happens is you don't have to press your thumb too down like. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2012.49 2019.01 So it's already curled up so your thumb doesn't y yeah so we can have a s like you know moulded according to your 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2013.17 2013.65 Mm. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2013.81 2015.63 'Cause it's kind of moulded to your hand anyway. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2015.87 2016.37 Mm. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 2019.84 2020.13 Yeah. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2019.97 2023.59 the way you h hold of it's kind of semi-circular in the bottom, something like that. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2024.01 2024.51 Okay. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2024.82 2027.46 I wouldn't say exactly semi-circular but yeah smooth. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2026.4 2030.26 Can you look into the company logo? 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2040.79 2041.3 I mean 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2031.5 2040.79 Um, things that are associated with the company in view to trying to incorporate that into the design of the product. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2040.43 2041.23 Current. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2052.6 2058.75 or something, um something along those lines to be able to incorporate it quite 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2043.22 2052.6 for example, if it was a C. or something like that, you could have it in a vague C. shape that opens up kind of like a shell,
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2051.16 2052.42 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2052.42 2052.9 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2060.4 2066.44 um obviously into the design, while also making it quite different from anything else that's there. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2067.28 2068.56 We could look in at that but 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2067.8 2069.23 I mean look at the mobile. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 2069.52 2069.9 Mm. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2069.81 2070.96 Mm. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2070.96 2072.73 What we were talking is to make it more 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2079.89 2083.67 rather than you know, trying to make it like a sea shell or whatever you were ta telling like. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2074.1 2079.89 rather than like sea-shells, logo could become as you could put a logo in the corner of uh the model,
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2083.41 2085.98 Well we need to think about how it's gonna look different. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2087.03 2090.17 I think that's that sounds a really attractive idea,
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2114.41 2121.21 you can still I mean think of the designs you can get in plastic, we can do a nice conch shell or scallop shell exterior. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2103.38 2108.8 that's gonna take care of some of the repetitive strain injury trying p prevent a lot of that I would think. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2095.69 2098.33 Then it's nice t to h you can make it lightweight plastic 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2108.8 2114.41 I think it's a really nice idea and plus you can get you know even though we're using plastic,
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2098.33 2103.38 nice to hold in the palm of the hand and just because you're having to actually insert in between the two covers 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2090.17 2095.69 I've not come across anything like that before, if it kind of yeah and that opens out into your flip-top. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2090.25 2090.98 A sea shell? 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 2095.59 2096.08 Yeah. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2110.55 2111.71 Yeah we could look in at that. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2127.69 2131 You could have different kind of casings. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2121.65 2127.69 Or you could do um different, like you get with mobile phones, different fascias. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2131 2138.67 So you could have like psychedelic ones for younger people and sleek ones and 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 2127.44 2127.81 Mm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2127.8 2128.25 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2130.71 2131.09 Yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2133.19 2133.58 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2151.62 2155.53 It's easier to bit nice to handle. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2139.73 2151.62 it's not like a chocolate brown lozenge that's gonna go down the sofa and people might want to put it on their mantelpiece or whatever as a ki if it looks attractive enough as a kind of ornament they don't not gonna lose it so much either. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2138.3 2139.73 Less chance of it being lost too 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2142.98 2143.58 Yeah. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2153.25 2153.73 Mm. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2156.28 2161.63 six des designs and then choose which are whichever appeals the most like, that could be the most common design. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2154.55 2156.28 Yeah maybe we could come at some say five,
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2158.76 2159.23 Okay. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 2159.39 2159.79 Yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2159.41 2159.8 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2160.38 2160.83 Okay. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2161.98 2162.64 Okay. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2162.53 2162.91 Okay. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2162.83 2164.61 But we can like think of five, six designs. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2164.98 2167.76 Right, I think we have to round it up, um 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2167.98 2171.96 Can I just quickly um go over the new project requirements so that I haven't missed anything. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2171.96 2181.32 So it's no teletext, it's only for T. V. and by implication video, our corporate image should be incorporated in the remote control, um something about Videoplus. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2168.85 2169.25 Sure. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2175.08 2175.33 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2190.67 2196.18 making it simpler so instead of having lots of things you put in for date 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2182.36 2190.67 That was um in cutting down the number that was kinda separate that was cutting down the number of functions 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2188.73 2189.3 Right. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2190.19 2190.92 Right. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2194.12 2199.6 Right, so when they press for programming you it comes up on the L. C. D., a reminder about using Videoplus? 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2199.6 2200.91 So that they have a look at the guide and 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2202.32 2206.65 Or was is this nothing to do with the project requirements, is this just that was an add-on feature? 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2206.7 2214.44 It's kinda takes the place of having a button to press for the date and having the button to press for the channel, things like that. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2214.44 2215.89 Um it could be it c 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2208.79 2209.12 Uh-huh. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2211.55 2211.94 Right. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2217.38 2218.07 Right. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2213.46 2217.38 Right, so it's kind of doing away with the programming feature? 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2216.57 2226.02 It yes, it could be uh adv advertisement feature, um rather than design feature, you know, drawing attention to that. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 2216.73 2217.01 Yeah. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2226.71 2235.57 And it also paid um lip service in the instruction manual, 'cause it's very simple so putting it down in words should be helpful. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2237.39 2241.92 Was there anything else there that we in the new new project requirements? 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2235.19 2237.39 Mm, and the rechargeable batteries. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2237.11 2237.42 Yeah. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2239.12 2240.48 Um 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2248.82 2249.81 Yeah. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2249.64 2256.75 We've got the buttons but I think we'll work through that with the design of it, um. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2252.76 2253.06 Yeah. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2255.75 2257.09 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2259.35 2263.1 what preference so it may come round to market research at some point to see what people would like. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2257.09 2259.35 That's not at the moment a requirement, it's something we're looking at 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2260.09 2260.84 Yes. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2259.27 2260.09 Yes. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2261.98 2268.44 And we've talked about um there being an alarm or something, a beeping for being lost, um. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2265.42 2267.73 For detection, right. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 2265.44 2266.33 Yeah. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2270.05 2273.08 Learning how to use it should be as simple as possible. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2273.08 2280.85 But there aren't gonna be that func that many functions incorporated into it so it should be fine and the I the instruction manual,
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2280.85 2283.84 I don't know if we deal with that, um. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2285.94 2286.7 I think 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2292.66 2294.14 Yep, I think that's us. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2289.84 2292.66 Yep, and different from what's out there. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2290.3 2291.56 Yep, I think 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2292.21 2292.73 Okay. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2294.55 2297.31 What would you specifically like marketing to look at before the next meeting? 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2297.31 2300.04 Or shall I just sort of generally look at all the issues involved? 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2294.79 2295.02 True. 
ES2004b H02 MEE014 2295.26 2295.55 Okay. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2300.12 2303.75 I think you might get guidance, but um 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2305.5 2305.64 I th 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2307.17 2309.76 Instruction manuals, 'cause there tends to be a 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2308.52 2308.85 Okay. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2311.6 2318.51 demonised thing, u um, they're everyone's got like a big pile of them, but no one really uses them. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2318.57 2319.14 Okay. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2319.32 2319.73 Um. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2322.73 2324.23 Whoops, questionnaire four. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2323.04 2323.57 Oops. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2323.57 2324.11 We should f 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2325.55 2325.96 Okay. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2324.14 2325.55 Yes, right. 
ES2004b H03 FEE016 2325.3 2326.98 'Cause we're at lunchtime now I think. 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2325.59 2326.8 I think it's time for us to 
ES2004b H00 MEO015 2329.28 2329.67 get back to 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2330.87 2331.5 Right, okay. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2333.42 2337.39 I think you can email me, if there's any more questions. 
ES2004b H01 FEE013 2339.29 2341.96 Um and I'll be able to not answer them. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 0.02 2.02 I'll wait until you're all um hooked up. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 17.57 19.13 Oh good grief. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 22.85 23.19 'Kay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 29.76 30.24 Okay. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 50.13 50.55 Oh. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 54.47 54.75 Thanks. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 52.39 54.47 Put it on in that way. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 54.23 54.43 Oops. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 78.08 78.56 Okay. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 79.22 79.59 Mm. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 80.08 83.87 Welcome back everybody, hope you've had fun. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 82.47 83.27 After lunch. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 85.13 85.36 Yeah. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 85.44 93.52 Right um this is our conceptual design meeting, um I think we're slightly ahead of ourselves 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 89.18 89.94 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 94.77 99.69 from the last meeting, I th I I think yeah um. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 96.01 98.26 Yeah, yeah I was getting that impression as well. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 96.42 96.63 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 98.28 98.41 Mm. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 101.04 111.6 This is where we talk about um properties, materials, user-interface and trend-watching. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 109.85 110.42 Etcetera. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 111.92 112.28 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 112.69 115.01 So I think we've touched on a few things 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 116.64 118.91 to do with that already, but we'll just go over it. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 120.4 121.07 Um 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 126.02 133.72 Um we had a couple of um changes in our plans in that we couldn't use teletext 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 133.72 142.8 it wasn't gonna be a control for everything um and that we had to incorporate the image of the company into it somehow. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 122.98 126.02 the minutes from the last time. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 142.8 143.36 Um 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 144.72 160.44 we have decided on a leaving out the voice recognition, we've decided on there being a flip design and um a different shape from what's normal. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 160.44 165.39 We were thinking a shell, but something along those lines, just a different shape from what's normal, um. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 168.97 172.1 You were going to look into the rechargeable batteries 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 172.32 172.65 Yeah. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 188.62 191.93 Okay, so shall we start with the first presentation? 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 191.93 192.84 Yes if you feel 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 173.31 179.39 and we were gonna think about the port and an alarm for getting it lost, things like that,
ES2004c H01 FEE013 179.39 188.62 um and our market was going to be young, business, kind of range. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 177.68 178.07 Yeah. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 188.1 188.36 'Kay. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 193.33 194.51 We just connect up. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 192.1 193.33 Okay. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 191.24 192.1 Shall I? 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 191.78 192.17 Yep. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 201.1 201.44 Thank you. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 218.98 228 Okay um so we decided on our market and so this feedback from the marketing department is really about trend watching. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 217.91 218.98 There we go. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 228 228.53 Um 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 229.36 232.39 the methods we used to decide on uh 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 251.19 256.56 Um we decided on the most important aspect i uh required in a remote control device and we'll come to that later. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 236.78 249.33 were that we did our traditional uh our usual market research study uh with a hundred subjects and the the general feedback from them is that the most im uh w I'm sorry I'm slightly tongue-tied after lunch 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 256.56 258.49 So that was one of the first things we did. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 234.6 236.78 current trends and so on, market trends 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 258.49 263.7 Also with our company um being forerunners in uh putting fashion into technology 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 263.7 269.08 we also looked at a fashion update um using our consultants on fashion and design in Paris and Milan. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 249.33 251.19 sorry Project Manager. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 249.46 250.6 It's okay. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 281.44 285.99 rather than the the current functional look and feel of remote controls. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 285.99 289.55 They also also want a remote control to be technologically innovative, 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 270.29 281.44 Uh so the general findings from that was uh in the market trends the most important aspect for remote controls were people want a fancy look and feel 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 290.89 294.2 and of course, as we predicted, that it should be easy to use. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 299.74 306.39 is twice as important as the second, technologically innovative, which is in turn twice as important as being easy to use. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 294.2 299.74 Now I should point out that the first of those findings, fancy look and feel, is the most important,
ES2004c H03 FEE016 316.95 324.13 Okay, um, now the fashion update which relates to very personal preferences among our subject group 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 324.13 330.86 um we found from our um consultants in Paris and Milan who des attended all the design and fashion fairs there,
ES2004c H03 FEE016 335.05 339.12 So should we be thinking of using something like that in our remote control design too? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 307.83 312.18 So possibly that the feature that we put first is actually third is still important 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 312.18 316.95 but it's third in order of preference for the the subject group we looked at. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 330.86 335.05 that fruit and vegetables are going to be the theme for clothes, shoes and furniture. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 316.02 316.31 Yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 340.13 347.85 There also seems to be um a trend towards a spongy feel to materials, uh again in contrast to last year. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 354.32 356.54 Be interesting to see what our design people make of that. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 347.85 354.32 So a lot of interesting feedback there, both from our market research departments and from our people in Paris and Milan. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 356.94 357.17 'Kay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 359.65 360.19 Um 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 357.29 359.65 Okay thank you very much. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 360.73 360.82 Yep. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 361.49 363.91 let's start from the inside and work our way out. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 363.56 364.3 Fine. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 364.3 364.99 It's okay with me. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 364.29 365.82 Yeah, okay. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 369.01 369.44 'Kay. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 365.43 367.42 Unless anyone has any questions about that? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 367.42 369.01 Not yet? 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 367.55 369.49 I don't think so, not yet. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 371.04 373.09 Um, yes, thank you. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 380.97 383.52 That screwed in? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 381.15 381.79 Okay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 388.56 389.72 I hate those little things 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 389.94 390.29 Yeah. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 390.96 395.96 especially if you do them on too tight and you can't get the leverage on them to undo them. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 393.87 395.9 I know. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 403.02 404.72 'Kay, 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 410.79 411.24 Okay. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 422.52 425.07 Okay, first uh the 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 410.83 411.88 Okay. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 411.88 422.52 Um this is uh all about the design of the actual components and the availability of the components we have in stock at the moment. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 427.42 439.48 The the main idea of the whole thing is just so you sh you just press buttons and it should activate things on the T. V. and we discussed last meeting that it should be easy to find. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 426.23 427.42 Into the method. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 439.48 444.73 Um also in this study I've looked into the availability of some of the materials 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 444.73 450.55 'cause some of the things that we looked at last time aren't un unfortunately aren't available. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 451.06 451.4 'Kay. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 452.66 455.96 Um, findings, I've got my nice little picture there. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 455.96 465.96 This is uh the chip called the T. A. double one eight three five which is what's used in pretty much every remote control 'cause it sends out standard signals 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 474.86 478.53 Um and then we we're loo looking into battery options. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 465.96 474.86 based on your input and um it's pretty much used for all all T. V. remotes at the moment. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 472.18 472.33 'Kay. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 506.26 507.02 It might 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 493.7 502.19 dynamo charging, I thought that that might be a bit silly to be to be honest, people won't it's it's basically like wind-up radio. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 479.86 484.54 There's um actually no rechargeable option available 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 484.54 493.7 so we I saw the um the standard double A. and triple A. which we thought were a bit bit too bulky at the moment,
ES2004c H02 MEE014 502.19 506.26 So you wind up your remote control before you use it. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 497.45 498.86 Wa can you explain that? 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 500.12 502.6 Like a right, okay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 504.94 507.99 How what kind of how l long can you get out of that 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 507.99 512.23 I mean can you pick it up and then wind it for two minutes and then that's it for the night? 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 512.23 512.97 Or 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 508.76 509.47 You 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 524.12 533.16 like the the solar charging, 'cause most people have the light on in the room anyway so they could get when when you got T. V. . 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 512.15 516.88 Yeah, yeah, oh yeah I presu you wouldn't have to wind it for very long 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 516.88 524.12 but I don't I don't think it's really sort of necessary when you th you think of the next two options,
ES2004c H01 FEE013 531.46 532.94 That doesn't count though does it? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 534.91 535.71 Artificial light? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 532.32 534.91 Does does light charge as as sunlight does? 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 533.78 537.9 I thought it was U. V. like 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 535.19 535.53 No. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 537.42 539.1 Alright i 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 536.91 537.42 Is it? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 539.16 539.99 Has to be solar. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 539.61 540.86 Any, any 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 540.83 545.98 Regarding those sizes, which one you think will be light because we we have to take into consideration size also 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 540.57 540.83 Yep. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 545.98 552.16 so maybe a standard triple A. might take lesser space or and dynamo might take more space. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 551.03 557.25 Yeah it would the d yeah the dynamo would take more space 'cause you actually need a physical sort of handle to wind up. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 557.01 559.69 I'm pretty sure that solar is from the sun. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 559.77 560.85 Yeah, okay. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 560.34 560.67 Mm. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 560.54 568.35 Uh, I don't think it counts electric lights no, but I mean not many you don't want to limit your market. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 568.35 573 I mean people who live in basement flats there's not that many people, but there are people. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 561.91 563.03 Artificial light, no. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 565.27 566.24 That's going to 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 571.16 575.32 I know, different parts of the world too, if we're if we're marketing internationally. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 571.57 571.97 Uh 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 571.73 572.04 But 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 575.14 580.39 Yeah and most people most people also watch T. V. in the in the night anyway. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 575.7 575.92 Right. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 579.55 580.19 Night. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 580.59 582.72 Mm, but then it would be charging through the day 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 582.72 588.72 I think the point is that it charges through the day and then you've got it charged for the evening. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 590.62 598.34 The the kinetic charging which is like you get it in r you get it in wrist watches and you d you don't even notice it. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 603.86 608.05 I don't think you'd ever need to actually physically start shaking it up to make it work. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 598.34 603.86 I mean the amount the amount of probably moving around you'd be doing all the time would would charge it up 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 587.25 590.62 But I I think I think the the next one's the best anyway. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 590.12 590.6 Okay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 595.4 596.32 Yeah I've seen 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 608.54 613.53 And are these like uh what are the life of the kinetic battery, it like it runs for long time? 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 628.74 640.41 And that'll that would l would last for um well I do I d I'm not entirely sure how long it would last but I've never seen one run out. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 626.62 628.74 'cause they use them quite frequently in watches. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 613.51 626.62 Um yeah it's it charges into um some form of it's a smaller cell which it charges into and uh the si the size sort of a watch a watch battery 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 620.36 620.61 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 627.88 628.27 Okay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 655.88 657.18 Is it really gonna be enough? 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 647.29 650.14 you're doing things, it is moving a lot of the time. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 650.14 652.89 If you'd I mean you switch the T. V. on, then you put it on the side 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 640.02 647.29 But then if you think about a watch, it's on your wrist so it's on your whole bod it's on your body the whole time so you're walking around,
ES2004c H01 FEE013 652.89 655.88 then you pick it up to change it and then you put it on the side. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 640.27 640.66 We c 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 645.11 645.51 Yeah. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 649.9 651.4 Yeah and 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 652.96 653.23 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 676.24 686.78 you're only using it for a v incredibly short amount of time just to send the signal and then you're finished with it and you put it no no I do I don't think the the draw on it would be 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 673.33 676.24 And th for the same the same reason 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 660.39 673.33 although it's only a tiny amount it's it's um it's always moving for the whole day and they don't run out over night when you leave them on the side. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 655.38 660.39 Yeah but then again I I think it is because if you think about it, the watch 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 672.45 672.94 Okay. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 681.63 683.23 Hmm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 684.37 685.04 Mm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 683.23 684.37 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 685.04 691.32 Could I just ask referring back to solar charging, is that compatible with um standard batteries? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 691.32 691.48 I mean 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 691.48 697.26 could people put standard batteries in but with a s you know they could leave it in the sunlight for solar charging or the two things not compatible? 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 681.77 683.98 So it's not the draw on it isn't 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 684.92 685.39 Okay. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 688.53 689.05 Mm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 707.74 714.99 if you lie on a calculator they they're qui they're quite big and they all they all look i identical. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 695.82 707.74 Ye yeah I think I th uh g y you could have a dual um power thing but the the thing with the solar cells is you would need to put them on the case and they because 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 698.23 699.6 Like a dual kind of. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 710.58 711.07 Mm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 714.49 716.48 So that affects the exterior design. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 715.28 717.65 Solar would be slightly expensives. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 716.16 717.74 Expensive as well. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 717.74 723.11 What kind of price are we looking at for I presume the normal batteries are the cheapest? 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 717.25 719.15 They're they're expensive, they don't 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 720.58 722.05 It's twelve point f 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 722.99 731.32 Yeah the normal batteries would be the cheapest I'd presume then it would actually be the the solar charging ones, um but the 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 737.99 748.27 'cause if you drop stuff yeah if you if you have y the size you'd need to charge a remote wouldn't be that big but I mean if remotes always get thrown around and stuff 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 732.43 737.99 It's i I think they're not very resistant to dropping 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 748.27 748.5 so. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 738.35 738.94 Solar. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 740.29 741.61 Well they're not designed 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 749.9 751.89 Y I think yeah, practically. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 750.02 751.56 Practical-wise okay. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 753.65 760.57 I mean calculators you don't really throw around a lot whereas remotes you do, they can t 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 759.16 763.08 You do get a bit of wear but don't calculators have a battery in them as well? 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 762.39 766.97 Yeah they do, they yeah they've got dual things, but they're the batteries are smaller I think. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 764.48 765.05 Mm. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 764.85 765.29 Mm. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 769.92 774.61 W w which one would last the longest, because we don't want customers to be like you know charging like a mobile phone every day. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 767.24 769.92 Another question is like sorry. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 767.35 767.99 Again it de 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 776.18 778.33 W m yeah so the 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 774.97 776.18 Mm. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 775.96 779.34 A remote control, like, so we have to s look at the life also. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 777.13 777.27 Mm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 779.62 784.79 Yeah the the s if you if you had something du uh using the standard 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 786 789.67 batteries and the solar charging, um 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 789.67 797.83 I don't think you'd I think the it would d well you know how long the standard double A. s would last in or triple A. s would last. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 796.5 801.6 It would just detract from the attractiveness of the of the whole feature, i it's not gonna add anything, okay. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 799.32 801.95 Yeah I think i I think it would, yeah. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 801.89 806.29 Okay, can we add in uh an attachment to closing feature? 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 806.95 807.27 Okay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 809.78 814.33 'Cause if we're doing the kinetic thing and it's 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 807.99 809.78 Can we think about that? 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 811.75 812.25 Yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 812.31 818.53 Shouldn't we do some market research on that first before we add it in because I I personally right, okay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 816.29 819.12 Well add it in to think about um 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 821.88 822.52 because, 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 825.09 845.53 If it is the kinetic thing and it is small and it is portable and it is a different shape and the kinetic is something people don't do kind of we're doing something original and different um but if you wore it if it's something you could just clip on your pocket then you would have that less 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 845.53 848.17 you you wouldn't lose it so much. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 823.7 825.09 where am I? 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 832.63 833.01 Yeah. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 847.23 847.63 Yeah. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 849.51 852.71 But then maybe that's looking at someone who's just sitting on their own rather than 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 849.84 850.14 Yeah. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 854.12 856.59 the eternal battle for control of the controls. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 857.15 863.69 It's not something that's come up in any of our uh focus groups and market research, it's not a thing that people are looking for 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 861.8 862.37 No. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 864.04 864.52 Okay. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 864.84 866.45 when we threw it open to the field yeah. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 865.28 865.75 So 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 868.04 868.5 Okay. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 868.04 870.2 But it's something to put on the side to think about maybe. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 871.63 872.35 Okay, right. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 872.2 873.29 Okay, well I'll move on. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 873.37 873.7 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 895.5 917.68 it'll connect the circuit and each each switch is connected to two uh different legs on the chip and so sends a different message and that then uh gets translated by the chip into a code and then it's fired out of this L. E. D. in the sequence of l on and off bursts. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 888.99 895.5 which basically has these contacts that are really close together and then when you press down on the rubber button 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 874.85 888.99 Um, my second part of my findings uh the mo most current remotes use this silicone uh P. C. B. board which pr printed circuit board 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 919.88 928.07 Can we what kind of size, does it come in varying sizes or is it just one size and we would have to fit the design of 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 918.16 919.88 What kind of things do we have to consider there? 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 925.27 925.6 Well 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 927.14 930.13 well this the thi the thing about is um 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 931.57 943.54 they they can be as big or as small as you want them to be because you can you can print circuit board like that that it's it's simply spaced like that so you can have fit the n the size of the nine buttons in. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 952.11 962.16 if you if you wanted to but um the there is an option to do to do it like that, or you could have some sort of 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 943.54 946.03 If you if you see how thin the tracks are 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 946.03 952.11 you could you could s you could put them virtually right next to each other and have a much smaller switch on each one,
ES2004c H01 FEE013 945.64 946.04 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 952.22 952.62 Okay. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 963.59 967.53 array of switches which I'll speak about in the next bit so that 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 966.52 966.91 Okay. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 999.99 1003.04 if we decided to go for buttons that could light up. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 984.63 992.18 so you can see what all the buttons are, like on a mobile phone, they do it more often than on a than on a T. V. remote 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 992.18 999.99 but you could you could have lights behind the buttons and um after like five or ten seconds of not being used I'd have that turned off 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 969.08 976.66 And then to uh yeah, so to conserve battery life the remote should be in a standby mode no while not being used. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 976.66 984.63 Now what I was thinking about that was 'cause sometimes when y when you have these things, they've got little lights on behind the buttons,
ES2004c H01 FEE013 987.44 987.82 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 988.01 988.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1004.88 1005.47 Okay. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1004.91 1014.17 Um, the case material, I've a been sent what the factory can actually give us 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1014.17 1023.27 the there's the plastic which I think we were gonna go for anyway as the main case case housing and 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1020.85 1021.35 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1024.59 1032.5 the the main problems with the well you could go for wood but I think it would be a bit impractical. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1043.24 1051.88 well you're saying that people like this uh spongy feel this year, so perhaps uh some something made of rubber,
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1032.5 1043.24 Titanium um very expensive just to process, which to make it is expensive, and rubber,
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1051.88 1056.5 but I was thinking more of the buttons, because the buttons which they've they've said 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1038.2 1038.58 Mm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1046.72 1047.07 Mm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1057.85 1060.24 that they've they've put across 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1061.53 1069.91 are what is used in some stress ball manufacture and it's meant to be anti R. S. I. . 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1078.67 1084.82 Um the problem with the casing is that uh there's 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1069.91 1078.67 I'm no I'm not sure how that would work because surely your fingers would still be moving over the short distances but that's what they said. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1066.11 1066.43 Okay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1069.33 1069.81 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1094.17 1098.18 If you go for titanium they can only do a standard box shape 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1098.18 1104.96 whereas if you come to plastic they can they can be a little more they can they can do sort of curved shapes. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1104.96 1109.2 But whether whether or not because we'd have it in two separate units 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1086.08 1094.17 quite um there's quite a few design restrictions that they've got on the shape of the case. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1123.63 1129.23 So is that feature available in like uh titanium, or it's like only specific to plastic or 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1117.63 1123.63 So in this case if you're looking at like a customer can change the colour like from green, parrot green to chilli red or something like that. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1111.24 1117.63 Second thing is yeah and second question is like, a mobile you can change the cover, you call it a skin or whatever. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1111.36 1112.42 for the flip phone. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1111.47 1112.76 Hinged, yeah. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1116.01 1116.39 Yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1121.33 1121.56 Mm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1123.21 1123.83 Yeah I th 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1126.8 1127.08 Uh. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1141.7 1151 because of the expense of how much titanium is is it's light and strong but I think it should be left for aircraft design rather than for 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1137.65 1141.7 it was just it would be so expensive to buy a new case for it 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1132.4 1137.65 the ju just it w well you could make it available in the titanium 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1128.23 1132.4 Yeah in in titanium I don't I don't think it would be available at all really 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1132.2 1132.29 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1141.18 1141.45 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1159.44 1165 I was just wondering if we make the basic mould out of plastic but have like a rubber cover that goes over,
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1154.44 1159.44 I've got a mobile phone myself which is titanium and it does mark very easily if you drop it. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1152.09 1154.44 It does mark quite easily too if you let it fall. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1165 1169.79 that would give the spongy feel, that also allows us to kind of have different fasciae for the phone. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1152.43 1153.11 for a remote. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1156.72 1158.51 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1163.88 1165.11 Rubber, yeah. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1168.63 1170.08 And you can peel them off yeah. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1176.21 1180.84 like those pens that you get with the grip, that you can you can pull that off. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1169.94 1176.21 So instead of the fascia that comes off being plastic, the fascia that comes off would be the rubber,
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1169.98 1170.21 Yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1174.31 1176.01 Like a rubber sleeve almost, yeah. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1176.03 1176.74 Yeah. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1176.08 1177.18 Something like 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1178.32 1178.66 Yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1178.54 1178.94 Mm. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1179.73 1180.68 That could be a good idea. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1178.63 1179.73 Alright. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1180.98 1181.26 Mm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1181.26 1181.6 Hmm. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1181.92 1183.95 It could it would be comfortable to hold on also. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1182.08 1182.52 Okay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1183.71 1184.09 Mm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1184.63 1188.36 Very cheap way of changing the look of it and people can just buy a new one if they want to. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1184.81 1184.91 T 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1187.76 1188.24 Yeah. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1188.72 1192.63 Well that's been really popular with mobile phones so I don't see why not. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1192.94 1193.2 Yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1191.82 1192.94 Mm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1193.73 1204.82 Also the just just going back to the interface designs with the buttons, the I kno we were planning to do some sort of touch screen. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1204.82 1219.57 Now what I was saying before about instead of having you could have just a bare P. C. B. circuit board and I'm sure you could probably get it in different colours and so just by touching it with your finger it'd make the connection 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1195.06 1195.48 'Kay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1202.8 1203.22 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1228.35 1238.31 but I thought that an L. C. D. type of screen 'cause one they're incredibly thin um and don't take up much space 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1224.65 1228.35 Um the second option th they offer rubber buttons 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1238.31 1249.58 two they you can have them in a sort of array and you can arrange the buttons on the screen in a sort of set thing and you could have them like a touch 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1220.71 1224.65 over if you had them close enough, that would be one option. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1250.6 1253.1 Sorry I didn't get the last part, you're talking of 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1250.92 1251.55 display. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1254.32 1255.58 Uh what what 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1255.66 1259.97 Just what you said I I didn't get the uh meaning of it completely, you're saying like 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1259.1 1270.15 Oh on the on the L. C. D. screen you could becau you could fit it the problem with it basically is that it's flat and so you can't do lots of curve curved things with it,
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1270.15 1278.27 but um you can you wouldn't have with the L. C. D. you'd have the wires coming off, you wouldn't have that with the 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1261.19 1261.48 Uh-huh. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1268.11 1268.44 Okay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1268.39 1268.77 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1279.4 1282.1 with the L. C. D., you'd only have that with the printed circuit board. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1281.44 1281.71 Mm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1283.2 1283.92 With 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1285.04 1286.59 W also with the 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1288.76 1294.31 if we for example had a shell, once we open that yeah, so it'd be f yeah, yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1285.14 1288.76 I don't s sorry to interrupt, I don't see why the curved thing is a problem,
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1290.8 1291.38 Yeah. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1291.4 1292.93 Oh it would be flat inside. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1305.71 1311.88 so you wouldn't be pressing down on 'em, w or we could have rubber buttons which are made of this material which is anti-R. S. I. . 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1292.64 1299.06 You could have a flat screen inside, yeah, but I'm just wondering whether we want an L. C. D. screen inside. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1299.06 1305.71 It wouldn't be like full colour, it would just be black and white, but there'd be touch touch buttons,
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1294.34 1294.69 Mm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1295.95 1297.08 Have I misunderstood you? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1302.15 1302.5 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1305.92 1306.16 'Kay. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1311.86 1312.08 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1314.49 1322.37 if the whole thing is gonna be this rubber thing it would be good to open it up and see something quite fancy looking inside. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1312.35 1314.49 I think it would be good to have a contrast between 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1322.37 1327.64 Now how would you distinguish, if you had it bare, how would you distinguish where you had to press, I mean 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1316.18 1316.78 Is rubber. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1321.04 1321.35 Yeah. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1321.41 1321.89 Mm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1328.39 1331.39 Yeah I hadn't I hadn't really thought of that to be honest. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1329.08 1329.65 Uh 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1345.16 1345.4 Mm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1329.81 1334.49 I just had another idea, I don't know if it helps with that, but just to do with the R. S. I. . 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1339.15 1345.16 or we have inside like a small pointer thing when people want to. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1334.49 1339.15 Is it possible, just as an option, when we open it up, people can use their fingers to press the button 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1341.3 1341.92 Yeah you could,
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1341.92 1350.48 you could have some sort of stylus that you could pull out but I I think they could get a bit easily lost, 'cause I had 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1343.28 1344.63 Like one of the palm pop thing. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1349.52 1350.41 Yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1350.41 1352.32 They're easy to replace as well, cheap. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1353.28 1364.85 if he would a person who switches channels very often or does use a particular function very often will find it very irritating to use a and he might spoil the touch-pad very fast compared to a button like 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1364.85 1367.41 if you keep punching with an pointer or whatever. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1349.89 1353.28 Absolutely, f for somebody who very often 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1350.45 1352.33 It would have to be attached. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1353.08 1353.52 Hmm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1357.41 1357.77 Yeah. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1360.13 1360.71 Yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1360.96 1361.14 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1364.51 1364.97 Yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1364.93 1365.17 Mm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1367.68 1368.55 Yeah okay. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1368.02 1371.75 Yeah just a thought they wouldn't actually need one and they could use anything they've got, couldn't they? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1371.75 1373.98 A pencil or a pen, so they wouldn't really need a 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1374.37 1379.23 Okay, we'll talk about that so if you finish your and we'll come back to that. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1379.23 1381.31 That's you, right okay. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1377.38 1380.96 Yeah that's yeah that that's the end of m my 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1391.47 1393.04 so we can divide the circuit like you know. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1380.42 1385.03 And just one small question before like you are, regarding the circuit, since we are hav having a flip-top 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1385.03 1391.47 we can customise the two circuits for different type of buttons like we are keeping the standard buttons on the top and the more complex buttons under this thing 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1385.07 1385.28 Yeah. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1389.91 1390.69 Uh yeah. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1393.63 1395.73 Yeah yeah that that would be fairly simple 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1407.4 1411.12 'cause in the in the actual flip bit you'd have some linking. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1395.73 1407.4 I mean you'd you'd actually have two separate you'd have two separate circuit boards but they'd be joined by wires or like some cabling between them 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1395.98 1396.18 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1398.69 1398.97 Okay. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1403.89 1404.16 Okay. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1406.33 1406.7 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1413.28 1419.02 I'll just raise another point while it occurs to me, it kind of applies to both our designers here, so I'm not sure how it would fit in. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1419.02 1420.08 If we flip open 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1420.08 1427.21 now you know how you've got some mirrors in nightclubs that are mirrors when you turn to them and you turn away and it gives like an advertising display 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1427.21 1427.95 you seen those? 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1417.86 1418.4 Mm. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1427.92 1428.45 No. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1431.38 1441.02 Is it possible that when we open our flip-top shell it's a little compact mirror and when you press a button it then goes onto the phone display th uh the remote control display thing. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1428.93 1431.38 And they kind of respond to the turn of your body. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1441.55 1444.95 We're marketing to guys as much as we are to women. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1441.72 1442.17 Um. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1445.33 1446.38 They don't look at themselves? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1447.73 1448.35 Just a thought. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1449.89 1457.72 you were sitting watching T. V. are you gonna want to sort of open it and say oh shit I should go and have a shower and do my hair before I put the T. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1448.66 1449.89 Well it's a remote control 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1451.08 1451.58 Yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1462.02 1466.11 trying to think of other features we can build in that wouldn't cost too much but maybe we'll leave that one on the side. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1454.24 1460.99 it's with us using the ideas for a mobile ph it's with us using the ideas for mobile phones I kinda got sidetracked onto that I think 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1460.99 1462.02 okay. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1453.41 1454.24 I know what you mean 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1459.52 1461.52 Yeah, no, no. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1464.63 1465.14 Mm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1466.12 1466.63 Yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1467.27 1467.81 'Kay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1467.49 1467.92 Okay. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1469.38 1470.93 I mean you can you could do it 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1470.93 1479.21 you could have a 'cause if you if you just put the full charge through an L. C. D. display it'll completely blank it out,
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1479.21 1482.33 but I don't know if you could get any mirror effect on it, I'm not sure about 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1478.47 1478.81 Mm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1481.17 1485.3 Oh I think forget about the mirror that was just a very quick passing thought yeah. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1482.83 1485.97 Okay, okay. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1485.92 1487.38 Okay, uh 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1492.37 1496.77 First thing is uh basically on design we just took the input from the previous meeting,
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1496.77 1502.9 especially from the marketing and industrial design, to check on the customer needs and feasibility. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1489.98 1492.37 would like to share something which I did here. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1515.7 1521.16 So you generally see rectangular shape, very monotonous kind of designs here. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1502.9 1508.02 Second is we checked into competitors, the picture here shows one of the standard models offered by competitors here. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1508.02 1515.7 So y you generally see there's not much of variety and like marketing team said uh, people need trendy, they are bored of black and white. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1510.4 1510.77 Mm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1515.72 1516.07 Yeah. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1527.29 1529.05 No particular remote is standard. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1522.92 1527.29 And uh second thing is there's too much of confusion here. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1527.27 1527.81 Mm. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1531.18 1532.86 Like, some some people have a 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1535.91 1537.41 This is on a I I 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1534.41 1535.91 Here you see this? 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1542.92 1547.98 rest other buttons, they are in a very disorganized and they are not consistent th with other models and all. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1538.58 1542.92 I found th that uh only common feature is the ch uh channel control and uh volume control,
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1548.32 1548.7 Okay. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1562.12 1565.05 have icons or touch pad or whatever, which is 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1549.28 1552.14 Okay, and second as already discussed with William 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1552.14 1562.12 we are going to have m maybe a G. G. U. I. interface in the f in the middle of the flip-top and g graphic user interface basically which is what we d do in computer,
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1555.92 1556.22 Yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1557.6 1558.81 Sorry what does that stand for? 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1558.24 1559.38 Which means 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1560.36 1560.52 Okay. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1562.31 1562.73 Yeah. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1564.18 1569.12 If you if yeah if you have like buttons that appear on the screen in this L. C. D. screen. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1568.91 1575.38 Like you have on a l uh icons or something y you have is a good example of G. U. I. graphic user interface. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1574.84 1575.7 Yeah. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1575.51 1575.93 Okay. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1576.34 1579.21 So basically not point or click 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1592.81 1597.76 So he need not use a pointer to keep changing the channel if a person is frequent surfer. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1584.31 1592.81 And on the top m repetitive buttons which are like volume or channel changing and all could be on the pointing device, that means the use of button. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1580.12 1584.31 Press any particular device, he just has to click on that particular icon to simplify. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1582.98 1583.29 Okay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1598.2 1598.6 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1603.12 1607.8 on the top we have this button, rubber buttons, to keep frequently changing the channels. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1598.78 1603.12 So we are having a combination of boards, so f on the s simpler board,
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1609.46 1614.28 Can we swap that round so th that the ones that we use all the time are on the bottom part? 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1615.64 1617.43 'Cause if you're thinking about holding it 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1618.77 1622.83 you would be using your thumbs to press, just like a mobile phone. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1622.52 1623.39 Yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1622.57 1624.92 No you'd hold it you don't if you flip it open then you'd be 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1628.68 1632.43 You us if we just use the shell as an example again, you open that,
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1627.03 1627.47 Wouldn't you? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1627.47 1628.68 Isn't that the idea? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1632.43 1636.6 you've got your L. C. D. display there and you've got the buttons there so you're holding it in the palm of your hand, yeah. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1630.77 1631.32 Yeah. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1635.08 1638.05 Yeah, yeah but you can do it with your thumb li 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1635.33 1644.42 That's what I was just saying, and then have the and then have the L. C. D. at the top and then be able to touch that for the other controls,
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1644.42 1652.03 so have the um the volume and the programme, things like that, on the lower side. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1652.03 1652.41 Okay. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1636.8 1637.38 But 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1640.61 1640.95 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1640.82 1641.12 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1642.78 1643.18 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1643.44 1644.99 Okay and you mean to the 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1650.76 1651.65 Oh f perfect. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1649.49 1650.76 And the lower distance. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1651.84 1651.93 Hmm. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1655.62 1657.74 So the findings are too many cluttered buttons. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1666.13 1669.12 Okay we had a latest finding of voice recognition, there was a mail 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1663.84 1666.13 All are confusing and in inconsistent. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1658.63 1663.84 Repetition of certain but buttons which I already explained, example the volume and channel control buttons. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1704.46 1706.64 And technologically innovative also. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1675.57 1682.73 We have to check into the for financial f feasibility whether we can incorporate it this at a low cost 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1682.73 1691.25 but for like we had g um s response from the customers that they would like to have the feature of finding it. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1695.27 1704.46 Some kind of thing or it gives a b bleep sound or some kind of sound and if this can be incorporated this would be more uh you can say trendy also? 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1691.25 1695.27 So it could be like, where is the remote, and the remote answers I am here. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1670.49 1675.57 which mentions that our division has developed a new speech recognition s feature. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1690.13 1690.48 Yeah. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1694.76 1695.18 Yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1699.41 1699.84 Mm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1708.38 1708.78 Yeah. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1708.98 1712.43 So we we can check into the financial feasibility of incorporating this. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1716.23 1721.53 My personal preferences would be like, as already uh marketing department 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1721.53 1725.55 they want something to do with fruit so I wouldn't say the design should be like a fruit,
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1725.55 1731.79 but yeah we can take inspiration from fruit colours, like the vibrant colours, uh red chilli uh 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1729.21 1729.61 Mm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1730.76 1731.03 Yeah. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1733.01 1742.36 tomato red or whatever and second thing is cer certain standard buttons we should have, like for example, i if you see the previous slide uh 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1743.54 1745.37 Well, yeah we 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1746.09 1751.51 I think most of the users would now be well acquainted with this cer central pattern, here 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1751.51 1757.2 so we we we would not change h that particular pattern because i this is the most consistent thing in all remote controls. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1751.17 1751.55 Yeah. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1757.45 1760.07 I can't see that, is that play and stop and things? 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1764.29 1771.06 So keep that m that standardised because that's the most common feature across all models, if you look at all the models, it's here. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1760.16 1764.29 This is central one, the one you yeah volume and channel. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1761.45 1763.43 Or is that volume and channel? 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1773.65 1774.17 This 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1776.98 1777.57 and 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1780.82 1781.57 voice recognition. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1782.75 1783.25 Okay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1790.14 1790.69 Um 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1787.76 1788.65 Right. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1788.65 1790.14 Okay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1792.03 1798.43 I'm not sure how long we've got left, but we need to make a decision about um 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1801.07 1802 the things we've discussed. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1802.7 1806.5 So, we agree on 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1807.81 1808.99 Do we agree on the battery? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1809.8 1810.4 Kinetic? 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1810.14 1810.81 The kinetic. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1813.06 1818.31 Um, that means that there's no function for li the port,
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1824.25 1826.87 It's a bi i it's like a g it's a gadget, it's a 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1811.45 1813.06 Yeah. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1818.31 1824.25 you know that it sits in, then pressing the button then having so we could incorporate voice recognition for the finding it. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1811.55 1812.07 Yeah. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1819.91 1820.47 Mm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1822.95 1824.73 Yeah I think I mean if 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1841.48 1846.62 So do you reckon that's a good idea that, where's the remote, I'm here thing? 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1835.73 1841.48 then it won't be cheap to re-manufacture them, uh or it will be cheap sorry to re-manufacture them. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1846.62 1847.93 I think that would be quite fun. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1827.07 1835.73 Yeah it is it is qui it's quite a cool feature to have and also if they've got it if they've got these parts already in stock,
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1828.07 1828.92 selling point. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1835.22 1835.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1847.55 1847.95 Mm. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1848 1849.21 I think the only 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1858.33 1865.2 but I think pretty much we've used cheap relatively cheap and simple things. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1865.2 1866.55 The L. C. D. 's not cheap. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1850.31 1858.33 I think the only pitfall that we would have would be how much it's going to cost if that means we have to cut down somewhere else 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1855.2 1855.57 Yeah. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1863.14 1863.51 Yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1864.19 1864.61 Mm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1865 1874.32 Yeah to s th well it's it's not as expensive as it would be if it was full colour 'cause if we've just got a black and white one 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1874.32 1876.68 I mean they use them in calculators so. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1866.87 1867.12 Hmm. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1876.52 1877.65 Yeah, okay. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1877.46 1879.25 Maybe we could start with the black and white. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1880.02 1880.43 Yeah. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1880.73 1883.07 That that way we could upgrade later. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1880.79 1881.97 And you could yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1883.7 1889.58 Yeah, we talked about kinetic charging, we've deci seem to have decided on that, did we decide on double A. or triple A. batteries? 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1884.08 1884.57 Okay. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1885.03 1885.11 Mm. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1890.24 1890.56 Mm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1890.54 1892.28 Well you cou um. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1891.65 1893.12 Do you want like a back-up? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1893.87 1894.25 No 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1894.25 1900.16 one of the decisions we had to make was whether we had double A. or triple A. batteries 'cause they've still got to be charged this way haven't they? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1900.16 1900.91 I oh I see. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1899.26 1905.02 K no the kinetic ones come come with um a sort of w watch a battery that goes in a watch. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1905.07 1906.07 Right, okay, got you. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1906.15 1908.57 So it's a lot smaller, so it would 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1908.4 1910.62 Got you on that okay, didn't realise. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1912.74 1915.88 Um, okay so we've got battery. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1915.88 1920.62 The inside components is pretty standardised across the board isn't it? 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1921.17 1921.78 Yeah. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1921.81 1922.08 Yeah. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1921.89 1925.92 So there's not a really a decision to be made there, um. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1928.08 1931.28 The buttons what did you give us as our 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1934.74 1937.16 The bare-board L. C. D. or 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1941.34 1947.7 on the on the on on the top one we're gonna yeah. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1936.36 1941.34 Yeah the well I think were we're going for the L. C. D. on that one, on the buttons 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1944.71 1949.48 On the top one okay you've got the touch okay and then 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1950.04 1955.15 On the bottom we were gonna have the rubber, the rubber ones, the anti-R. S. I. ones. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1956.25 1958.47 Okay, okay. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1959.77 1961.7 Sorry could you repeat that last part? 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1961.78 1970.2 Um, okay on we've got the flip the flip-screen, the top one is gonna be the L. C. D. and the bottom one is gonna be the rubberised buttons. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1963.65 1964.64 L. C. D. screen. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1965.56 1965.89 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1969.83 1970.4 Okay. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1971.44 1972.6 And for the sorry. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1973.36 1974.15 No, it's fine. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1977.09 1982.66 For the body design I think plastic, uh w yeah we could use the body,
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1982.66 1987.82 for the inside and uh rubber as a padding or for the grip, something like to add to the design. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1980.19 1981.62 Plastic, okay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1981.56 1982.56 For the inside. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 1983.35 1983.79 Yeah. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1987.8 1988.09 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1988.2 1993.77 Mm-hmm, so we decided on a rubber casing for the plastic shell, a variety of designs, okay. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 1991.72 1992.64 Plast right. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 1992 1993.92 Oh I think so, I think so. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2001.8 2008.31 we're not gonna try and make it actually a vegetable or fruit design or anything else, like a shell that we discussed, just go for the colours. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 1995.97 2001.8 and it is just uh although it's rubberised and spongy, apart from that we're just going to go for sort of vegetable and fruit colours,
ES2004c H02 MEE014 2006.05 2006.49 Mm no. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2020.08 2027.7 we could make it um psychedelic, you know, we could make it black and white zebra stripes,
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2027.7 2033.84 but that's not really what we're focusing on, what we're focusing on is the m you know yes. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2007.04 2018.58 No I think I we don't wanna be tacky if we've got a kind of different shape anyway um the fact the m the material that we would be using would be cheap 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2033.84 2036.62 So we could just pick anything. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2018.58 2020.08 so we could make it red,
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2008.16 2008.82 It's 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2010.38 2010.94 Okay. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2025.11 2025.45 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2031.8 2032.28 The feel. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2034.76 2035.14 'Kay. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2044.29 2049.17 made of plastic, fits into the palm of the hand, rubberised cover that's spongy. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2037.64 2044.29 Is that going to be this image I've got in my head of something kind of shaped like that, maybe about that size,
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2049.17 2056.35 Is that really going to fit fancy look and feel which was the major thing that people wanted, market research, is that fancy? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2036.89 2037.64 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2064.23 2071.05 sort of beige and black um so you either want something that goes with that 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2072.94 2083.6 or you want something that contrasts as you know like you get clocks now that are more of a talking point than an actual clock because they're so interesting and 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2055.21 2064.23 It's just different it's just different from everything else and I mean, I'm trying to imagine um clean looking houses 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2071.05 2072.94 which is what's on the market anyway 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2055.44 2057.27 Uh I it's different. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2063.56 2063.96 Mm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2066.71 2067.11 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2071.57 2072.31 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2072.31 2072.65 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 2075.42 2075.84 Mm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2078.48 2078.83 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2080.53 2081.13 Yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2082.3 2086.84 I'm just kind of pushing at that to see if you came out with anything else, but I mean I totally agree. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2090.8 2094.63 This would definitely be different enough, I just wondered if anybody could come up with something even more 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2086.84 2090.8 We looked at those remotes, I mean they are kind of anonymous, very similar looking things. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2090.17 2090.65 Mm. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2094.28 2100.11 And you would just have an across the b you would have so many different options that you could do,
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2100.11 2107.08 you could have um a plain black one, you could have sparkly pink glittery ones for your little 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2105.51 2108.71 Well the thing is the rubberised covers are going to be s relatively cheap to produce 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2116.62 2117.88 which is another beauty of it. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2108.71 2116.62 that if in a year's time we we get feedback from the design fairs that show something else is coming I mean it's so easy for us to just produce that and it can be slipped on 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2113.86 2114.36 Mm. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2116.3 2124.56 And ones tha ones that have rubbery spikes y you know, you could just go so far with it,
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2124.56 2131.77 like a puffer fish, you could just, you could take it wherever, so I think that's quite a flexible thing. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2116.51 2116.73 Right. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 2121.37 2122.51 You can you can just 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2122.88 2124.91 Acupressure, you could talk of acupressures. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 2123.64 2123.92 Yeah. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 2128.75 2129.17 Yeah. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2137.42 2141.02 it should be moulded it with the design in such a way you can change it every time. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2130.84 2137.42 And finally the body should be retouchable, may maybe ch you can change the body or the case casing the case outside 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2136.69 2137.19 Yes. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 2141.32 2151.32 Yeah, yeah j with these rubber these rubberised ca not the actual uh plastic outside case, just the rubber thing that goes round the outside. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2145.42 2145.81 Mm. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2149.19 2149.66 The rubber. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2148.21 2149.19 Okay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2149.62 2149.89 Yeah. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2152.26 2157.1 Okay we've got five minutes, um, or that might've been up for a while. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2156.44 2163.82 Mm, so can I just recap uh Sarah, for the decisions that we've made, kinetic charging, the watch-type batteries 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2175.86 2178.53 That's how far we've got, what else do we have to add to our decisions here? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2168.71 2175.86 rubberised buttons on the bottom side, we're gonna use fruit and vegetable colours for the rubber cover, the case itself is plastic. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2163.82 2168.71 um L. C. D. display on th the top side of the flip top,
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2156.57 2156.81 Fine. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2159.26 2159.48 Yeah. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2180.25 2189.91 Fine, uh we were talking of voice recognition also because that we are not for how to look it uh remote control if it's lost. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2183.48 2183.88 Mm. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2183.78 2184.19 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2190.83 2193.06 So, are we looking at voice? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2193.34 2196.36 but it's a good idea we just need to check on the cost, is that right? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2190.94 2193.34 Yes, it was just, there was just a cost issue with that,
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2195.78 2199.81 Or maybe like uh William was suggesting in the last thing some devices you put on key chains. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2204.25 2208.13 So we can if financially voice recognition is not feasible we could go for a whistle. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2201.36 2204.25 For l yeah, the whistle. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 2201.54 2203.23 Oh yeah, yeah the whistle ones, yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2217.03 2219.64 And incorporating the company logo? 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2220.58 2220.75 Yep. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2221.33 2222.16 Have you 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2222.6 2225.4 Uh sorry I didn't mention this, but we'll be incorporating in the design. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2230.61 2235.85 it's not just a case of having a little R. R. hidden somewhere, they do want it to be obvious that it's our product don't they? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2226.56 2230.61 'Cause I took it from the feedback you gave in the last meeting from y from y your report,
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2225.71 2226.56 Mm. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2226.58 2227.15 Okay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2254.19 2260.57 The point is that it's got to stand out somehow differently but I think it does, without that so I'm not worried about that. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2250.35 2254.19 Obviously it'll have a logo on it just like everything, but everything else has a logo on it. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2244.76 2250.35 Um, you associate the name with the individual product that it is and that does the work for you. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2235.57 2244.76 Well they do, but I think we can you could well it is, it is, I think you just address that with um advertising. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2238.38 2241.19 Since it's the only one of its kind on the market it's obviously gonna be ours. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2244.26 2244.55 Yeah. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 2247.83 2248.36 Yeah. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2248.51 2248.92 Okay. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2257.1 2257.55 Okay. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2264.32 2268.42 I think that was you talked about a beeper for a location, have we just rejected that in favour of voice recognition then? 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2261.5 2264.32 Did we I know at the last meeting we spoke about a beeper,
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2260.3 2261.5 Okay. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2268.77 2276.4 Depending on how i I mean we've got this memo saying that it's something that the company's looking into, so 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 2269.86 2271.65 Yeah, depending on the expense of it. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 2276.09 2277.79 And they've got in stock, so yeah. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2291.51 2293.25 Right I'm going to wrap it up there. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2286.98 2291.51 But I think we'll find out more about cost afterwards. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2277.63 2286.98 um that seems to make sense, but if it turns out that it's hugely expensive we'd have to cut down somewhere else, then it's worth thinking about. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 2288.73 2289.04 Yeah. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 2291.54 2291.89 Okay. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2295.07 2295.59 Fine. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2302.58 2303.34 Um 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2296.32 2302.58 I got a end meeting now message on my mo yeah so. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2298.53 2298.98 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004c H02 MEE014 2299.35 2299.94 Did it? 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2300.17 2300.92 Yeah. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2302.57 2303.55 Again a questionnaire huh? 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2305.19 2312.55 so I think we've probably got it says, closing we have forty minutes so I um think we've probably got about that time before we come back. 
ES2004c H03 FEE016 2306.69 2307.56 You got to go through. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2314.36 2315.23 It's either that or 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2316.23 2321.1 we only had forty minutes to discuss what we just discussed and don't know how long that took. 
ES2004c H00 MEO015 2321.71 2323.96 I think we are pretty going in a clear direction now. 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2325.7 2326.77 Is everyone happy? 
ES2004c H01 FEE013 2328.67 2331.79 Okay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 3.68 6.86 If you leave them on the whole time you get to look like a noodle the whole time. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 13.41 14.14 Hmm. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 15.11 15.99 Is that someone's? 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 19.95 20.74 Is that. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 22.99 23.44 Thank you. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 23.93 25.26 three, apparently. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 26.09 26.63 Hmm. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 26.63 26.84 Hmm. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 27.38 28.56 Okay, you all switched on. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 27.86 28.38 Okay. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 29.06 29.63 Yep, me too. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 33.9 35.52 Okay, um 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 32.72 33.9 I presume we're good to go. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 36.64 39.52 minutes um we decided to use a kinetic charger, 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 39.85 40.11 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 40.93 45.64 standard chip, um 'cause it can come in various different sizes, it wasn't uh 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 76.31 82.03 Um and the rubber buttons that we'll use will be anti-R. S. I. . 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 51.94 56.72 The case material is gonna be soft, rubbery, changeable. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 56.72 61.22 Um buttons with a combination of L. C. D. and rubber according to the design. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 61.22 68.12 Um bright funky designs inspired by fruit, keeping with the hip kind of feel. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 47.09 49.97 uh gonna be a problem factor. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 82.03 82.47 Okay? 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 49.97 51.94 We wanted a stand-by function. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 68.12 76.31 Um and to try and incorporate voice recognition software into our design until we can find out more about the cost of things like that. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 88.58 90.29 Prototype presentation. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 91.37 92.62 Is that for us? 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 92.6 93.81 I think that would be you. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 92.85 93.32 Yep. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 94.1 94.48 Okay. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 94.68 98.97 Me and William worked on a prototype, and I think William is going to make a p presentation on that. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 99.49 100.93 Yeah, shall I show? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 102 108.3 Though do you do you wanna do you wanna sh do you wanna hold it and I'll I'll show you the presentation. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 100.93 102 I'll show. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 108.3 109.82 Can I just nick your 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 100.76 101.1 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 103.25 105.86 Make sure the camera's 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 103.62 104.8 I can hold it like 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 106.05 108.22 Yeah, so 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 109.01 109.95 Yes, yes you can. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 109.95 110.86 Wait a second, I'll get it out. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 114.8 115.32 Whoa. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 115.96 116.57 It looks 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 116.05 116.56 Um 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 116.55 117.74 Going a bit crazy over here. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 117.88 118.82 crazy. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 119.25 119.67 Okay. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 120.76 121.4 Thank you. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 129.88 131.35 Ta-da. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 125.37 129.88 You should have one of those things and you can just take it off. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 125.65 126.23 Um not now. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 127.17 127.52 Oh. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 129.84 130.1 Yeah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 132.1 134.53 Oh, where are the hinges? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 138.63 144.53 Okay, so this is our look and feel presentation, the final our final presentation. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 150.93 151.53 Um 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 144.53 150.93 And we'll first look at the exterior of what we've uh come up with over there. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 139.4 139.74 Right. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 141.72 142.15 Mm 'kay. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 151.19 151.91 'Kay. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 178.38 187.31 Um the um wide choice of colours and sort of patterns, so you've got you've got a lot of customisation with it. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 165.55 175.82 This is underneath the rubberised the rubberised uh outer casing um which there'd be sort of a wide choice they would be attached 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 175.82 178.38 but we can we can come up with that. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 152.77 158.94 It's gonna have a a plastic body um with a sort of standard colour 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 187.31 202.59 Um it's obviously an a sort of clam-shell design and uh the um the top L. C. D. screen that you can see that would b would be sort of um 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 158.94 165.55 either we're thinking some something fairly neutral like a a white or a light blue or something. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 153.04 153.88 You able to look? 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 155.57 155.91 Yep. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 168.24 168.62 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 178.12 178.46 Okay. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 206.7 215.49 it would be sort of inset into the into the top and the buttons at the bottom would d so so it'll fully close flat. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 226.66 234.22 thinking about it now, could y could also probably attach to the flipping open and shut as well, so that you could probably get a bit of 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 203.71 206.7 how do you say, it's yeah yeah 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 215.49 217.71 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 217.71 226.66 And working on the inside we've um already said d decided on the kinetic batteries, which actually,
ES2004d H00 MEO015 204.79 207.98 The black and white touch screen wherein people can 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 209.05 209.53 Mm. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 209.53 210.5 So it's flush. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 211.03 211.32 Right. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 214.93 216.01 Oh right, okay, yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 233.26 238.77 So put it in the top section rather than the bottom sections, 'cause it's the top part that's okay. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 249.97 252.72 so we presumed that they'd also be quite cheap. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 243.62 249.97 it did actually say on the email that they were sort of coming in and they were fairly easy to get a-hold of 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 236.55 239.93 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 239.93 243.62 Um we decided that um the voice recognition system 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 235.49 236.55 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 252.72 257.8 So you'd have something like where you'd shout out, where where is the remote and 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 236.06 236.42 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 259.11 261.27 it'll shout back, I'm here, or something. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 262.14 267.08 Or something. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 284.76 291.74 Um the standard, there's be a standard transmission with the T. V. using using all the standard chips that we've talked about. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 263.45 267.23 And then yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 297.67 304.62 it would need two separate P. C. B. s, so it would be joined at the hinge through some sort of cabling. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 267.23 269.55 It wo it won't shout out I'm here or something. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 275.32 281.57 Uh yeah, if it was going like I d well tha that could be something for next time, maybe. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 269.55 275.32 It'll just shout out I'm here, or something to similar effect. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 304.62 316.57 And uh because, obviously, all T. V. s use this, the same infrared medium, we'd just be using using the same thing to transmit the data. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 291.74 297.67 Um it would it would have obviously 'cause it's split over two two different layers,
ES2004d H02 MEE014 316.57 318.36 And the infrared 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 281.57 284.76 You can have a remote that tells you exactly where it is. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 271.08 272.37 Okay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 272.37 273.5 I'm under the sofa. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 271.77 272.07 'Kay. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 274.29 275.32 Ah oka 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 274.64 275.93 Or, that would be too complicated. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 291.23 292.62 Infrared. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 319.88 325.52 um sender would be on the on one of the bot the bottom layer 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 325.52 329.72 just at the front of the we haven't I don't think we actually put it on. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 329.09 329.72 Like here. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 330.8 332.1 Yeah, yeah, something like that. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 332.89 336.62 Actually, no, it would be it would have to be on the on the front. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 332.1 332.89 Okay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 336.62 338.4 Oh right, yeah, okay, yeah, I've got you. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 332.28 334.5 Infrared could be here also. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 334.5 335.33 Yeah, here. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 334.2 336.51 Yeah, on the front on the front side of that, yeah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 341.64 341.96 Yeah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 336.48 341.64 So when it's even if it's open here, the signals would go. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 339.8 341.52 It's still pointing, yes. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 339.9 343.91 So when you've actually got it open, it would be facing the T. V. . 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 343.91 348.01 And then finally um on to the interface. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 348.01 358.14 The top screen, as we said, is would be an inset um black and white L. C. D. s touch screen which yeah would 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 342.35 343.35 Yeah, that would make sense. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 356.66 357.39 This one right here. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 380.61 390.89 And now we've we also decided on the inside, we could possibly either have um some some kind of sort of bezzled 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 359.3 370.58 uh have all of all of the the available functions for for the remote on it, uh whereas the bot the bottom screen would just contain the standard buttons,
ES2004d H02 MEE014 370.58 380.61 like the vo volume up and down, channel up and down, power on and off, and uh things to that effect. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 375.28 375.7 Okay. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 392.4 397.83 uh logo on it, or something inset, or maybe an engraving of the logo on the top. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 398.96 399.71 Which is 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 399.04 403.03 But not interfering with the outside kind of look of the product once it's 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 400.04 402.29 No d not not actually. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 402.29 408.67 No, not uh interfering with l the whole look of the the product when it's uh on the thing. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 408.67 417.09 And finally that's how we put the fashion back into electronics, as that is that's the company logo. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 400.96 401.28 No. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 404.82 405.57 Look up to it. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 405.44 405.78 Okay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 413.43 415.1 Thank you very much. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 415.27 416.22 Yay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 416.53 419.12 Wrapping it all up, okay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 419.12 421.99 Um I've now got evaluation criteria. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 417.13 418.06 Well done. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 422.2 422.74 Certainly. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 426.75 427.56 Sorry. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 424.26 426.75 So this is the one. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 431.7 432.17 Okay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 427.07 431.7 It's to be presented. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 428.81 431.05 There you go. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 428.82 429.34 Logged in? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 430.55 430.87 Oops. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 429.34 430.55 Thank you. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 438.47 439.06 Evaluation. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 448.34 450.37 Mm um I I think this is chip. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 452.26 454.15 It's quite similar to what it was before, though. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 469.75 472.49 So this is the first stage of the evaluation. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 454.21 456 Okay. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 472.49 475.47 Now, the collection of the criteria, as we saw in our previous meeting 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 481.58 486.19 So it's what we've discussed in the last meeting, are we actually meeting those trends and requirements? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 475.47 481.58 was based on the user requirements and trends found in the marketing reports and marketing strategy of our company. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 456 469.75 This stage of the evaluation is really for us as a team to evaluate if we have now got a product specification and prototype design that meets the the criteria that we got from our market research. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 455.38 455.63 Sorry. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 488.36 491.16 Now the findings that we came up with, just a recap, are here. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 508.45 517.64 The design should minimise R. S. I. and be easy to locate and we were still um uh slightly ambivalent as to whether to use voice recognition there,
ES2004d H03 FEE016 499.91 508.45 it should incorporate current fashion trends, and those the two main ones, they were the spongy texture and the fruit and vegetable strong design colours. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 517.64 523.17 though that did seem to be the favoured strategy, but there was also, on the sideline, the though of maybe having a beeper function. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 491.16 499.91 The criteria that we want in this remote control are a fancy look and feel, technological innovation, it should be easy to use,
ES2004d H00 MEO015 504.94 505.44 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 534.66 539.13 We're going to use a seven point scale, where one is true and seven is false. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 549.82 550.8 Any questions there? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 528.8 534.66 I'll just show you how we're going to evaluate our own feedback to this, to what we have so far. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 548.94 549.82 Does that seem clear? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 525.04 528.8 Okay, so we can come back to that slide, if you don't have a note of those. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 543.37 548.94 and I will just do a preliminary rating of all those criteria on the whiteboard here. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 539.13 543.37 We look at each of those criteria that I've just mentioned, I'll call that slide back up 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 543.83 544.45 Yeah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 548.5 548.84 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 550.79 551.82 Ah, it's perfect. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 552.41 553.77 So we're going to look at these crite 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 553.36 556.21 Is it everybody is going to evaluate, or just the Market okay. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 562.26 563.04 Is that okay? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 563.04 565.2 One is true, seven is false. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 555.19 562.26 Yes, we're going to come to w we'll discuss each one and we'll come to a consensus rating between one and seven. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 558.25 558.69 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 561.86 562.21 Okay. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 562.82 563.02 'Kay. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 570.98 574.36 It will just be criteria one, two, three, four, five, six, or A., B. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 574.36 577.67 C., D., E., F. to confuse it with the number rating. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 569.32 570.98 So I won't write all of that out again. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 567.16 569.32 Right. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 580.75 584.16 This is where I realise how tiny I actually am. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 577.67 580.75 B., C., D., E., F. . 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 582.97 585.33 Just write small. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 586.32 587.19 Criteria 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 590.99 592.04 and rating. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 600.22 601.52 How about that? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 595.77 600.22 Actually, it might be an idea, if we each did give our own individual rating, and we could take an average at the end. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 602.78 608.96 So I'll just separate the ratings by obliques, and if we go one, two, three, four, we know who's who. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 601.52 602.78 Okay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 600.78 601.41 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 601.41 602.04 That works. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 600.95 602.28 Yeah, so you can 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 601 601.69 Yeah, okay. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 607.67 607.92 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 607.94 608.27 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 626.6 628.86 One is true, seven is false. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 621.47 626.6 How do we feel about this prototype model relating to fancy it is a fancy look and feel. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 617.53 621.47 Criteria A., the fancy look and feel. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 616.02 617.53 Okay. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 628.86 631.41 My own rating for that would be a two. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 632.52 634.48 One is true and seven is false. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 636.92 637.65 I would agree. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 646.42 646.76 Three. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 638.7 645.67 Yeah, I'd uh yeah I'd probably put it uh two yeah, two or three. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 645.67 646.42 No, three. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 638.8 639.62 I'll just go this way. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 639.49 639.79 Okay. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 640.16 640.51 'Kay. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 644.98 645.49 Two. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 646.79 647.44 Okay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 649.51 650.04 I would say two. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 650.27 650.7 Two. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 654.95 655.22 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 653.08 654.95 I would say four. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 661.32 665.51 Uh two and three quarters, it that right. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 665.51 666.18 Two and three quarters? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 656.09 661.32 Adding those up, we've got a six and a five, eleven divided by four is what? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 654.1 656.09 A four, okay. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 662.78 663.75 Mm yeah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 663.23 663.78 Almost three. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 667.56 668.16 I think yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 668.39 669.52 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 669.39 669.77 Okay. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 671.92 674.63 Two point seven five, there we go. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 674.63 679.45 Okay, criteria B., criterion B., technologically innovative. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 680.8 683.7 I would give that a three. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 686.39 687.37 I'd give it a one. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 688.95 692.92 Not that you're biased in that it the designer. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 687.77 688.95 Okay. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 690.05 691.75 No, no, not at all. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 696.02 696.59 A two. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 701.23 702.98 The first one rating, I'm sorry. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 698.92 701.23 Oh sorry, I I got it wrong. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 702.98 704.29 Can you just make it two? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 705.32 707.18 The average oh, for you? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 707.18 708.63 You want your rating to be a two? 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 706.03 707.57 Yeah, I I just it the other way. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 705.43 706.03 The first. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 708.98 709.95 Uh in 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 711.82 712.05 Okay. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 710.37 711.82 Is that what you're saying? 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 711.17 712.42 Yep, I just got 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 716.65 718 It's a very slightly altered 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 714.96 716.65 So, I'll work out the average for that again at the end. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 719.59 721.77 Okay, and we're just waiting for your rating f 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 720.69 721.3 two point f 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 721.17 722.86 It's just two point five for that one. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 723.03 724.2 Two point five, okay. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 723.11 723.59 Yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 727.55 730.1 Losing one decimal place, that's okay. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 728.78 730.85 One is a, seven is false, okay. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 733.13 734.05 Two, okay. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 730.99 733.13 So what are you rating for this one, Paw? 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 732.46 732.69 Two. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 737.34 739.91 That brings it down to two, nice and simple, yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 735.81 737.34 So that is eight. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 738.4 738.67 Two. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 743.66 744.83 Easy to use? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 741.55 743.66 Okay, ease of use. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 745.99 749.46 Based on what you've said there, I would say a one, true. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 753.08 753.41 Two. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 753.92 754.53 Two. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 760.76 761.58 I would say a two. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 758.53 760.76 I would say a two. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 760.23 761.13 A two, okay. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 763.62 764.08 Two. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 764.14 764.55 Two. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 774.83 775.66 Okay. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 770.76 774.83 We'll just put almost two, because I'm not gonna get into silly decimal places. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 778.98 784.92 Um mm now we're looking at it incorporates current fashion trends 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 784.92 793 now that's particularly in relation to our market research findings about the spongy texture to the exterior and the fruit and vegetable design colours. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 766.42 770.76 I should've said a two to make the arithmetic easy, shouldn't I? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 775.66 778.98 Or we or if we want to really bring it down, we can do later. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 774.43 775.62 Okay, mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 772.44 774.43 One point seven f five. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 774.15 774.47 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 779.76 780.28 D. . 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 785.53 785.85 One. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 793.57 793.84 Yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 794.46 795.43 Right. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 795.43 801.52 So I'm just thinking, before I give it my rating, you were limited in the use of materials for your prototype here. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 801.52 803.87 Is this actually going to be the colours that you would use? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 801.19 802.64 Yeah, that's 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 810.46 820.45 but the changeable fa faces would uh allow you to get any basically any one of a number of colours that uh th it's full sort of customised. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 803.4 810.46 No, no, the the base colour was um white or or like or l sort of a light blue 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 806.39 806.95 White. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 806.95 808 With for the plastic? 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 808 808.61 Uh blue. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 810.67 810.96 Right. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 815.51 816.24 Any 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 824.05 825.85 And the spongy feel is no problem with that. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 818.61 823.12 So we could use any strong fruit and veg colours and that's what we're intending to do. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 823.12 824.05 Okay. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 821.44 821.79 Right. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 821.54 824.82 Yeah, yeah, yeah and 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 822.51 822.86 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 822.98 823.21 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 825.89 832.08 No, no, 'cause th that's that's the the spongy feel would be in the rubber that you put round it 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 832.08 834.91 that otherwise it's just sort of hard plastic. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 826 827.71 Yeah, because you'll be having a 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 830.07 831.14 Because of the rubber case. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 832.09 832.68 Okay. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 835.01 836.83 In that case it's got to be a one for me. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 838.01 839.5 Yeah, I'll give it a one as well. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 839.38 840.46 Yep. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 840.46 840.98 Everybody? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 840.98 841.39 Okay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 840.47 840.79 One. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 843.3 843.81 One. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 848.03 852.94 Uh moving on to does the design minimise repetitive strain injury. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 843.88 846.76 That part was nice and easy. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 846.76 848.03 Okay. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 845.87 846.71 Yeah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 846.15 846.46 Mm. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 854.99 856.94 I don't think we've really touched on that a lot. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 856.94 860.08 We've we've discussed it, we haven't really come up with anything that 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 855.02 855.73 Mm. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 856.55 857.08 No. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 867.08 871.78 who's sitting like that, and we found so many people did, how do you minimise that on such a small device? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 861.56 863.09 we felt could feasibly reduce that. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 863.09 867.08 We've talked about pointers, but the very use of a remote control, if you're someone who's zapping,
ES2004d H02 MEE014 867.46 868.03 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 878.89 879.57 Um 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 871.36 878.89 Well the type of button that we're gonna use in the bottom half, the material, minimises R. S. I. it's meant to. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 875.92 876.62 It's meant to be. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 876.07 876.4 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 878.04 878.41 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 888.55 892.31 So maybe because there's more space, it's not kind of moving around trying to 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 881.91 888.55 maybe because it's slightl with the size that we've got it's quite small, but with the amount of stuff we're putting on it isn't that much. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 887.8 888.18 Mm. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 893.07 893.54 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 895.72 899 It's quite obvious just big buttons. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 893.13 895.72 hit accurately the buttons in between. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 899 899.63 Um 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 895.2 895.62 Right. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 899.81 902.94 I think I'm gonna have to be neutral on that and give it a four. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 898.06 899.81 Right. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 902.31 902.87 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 905.59 909.65 Yeah, I'd uh I'd f I'd go for a five, actually, 'cause 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 908.14 909.58 A five, okay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 911.53 911.87 Four. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 911.94 915.03 Four and a four okay. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 913.17 913.62 Four. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 917.63 919.65 Twenty one is that twenty one? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 919.65 922.02 So that's four point two five. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 922.35 922.55 Yep. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 929.47 935.61 Now we talked about voice recognition, we talked about a beeper, have we really have the designers come to any dec real decision on that? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 925.61 929.47 And finally, last but not least, easy to locate. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 932.8 934.54 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 934.54 939.31 Yeah, it was it was uh a voice voice recognition, yeah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 936.01 937.54 Voice r recognition. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 942.37 944.33 That is going to be feasible, cost-wise. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 937.33 940.33 It was the I'm here thing, yep. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 940.33 942.37 And are we happy with the costs on that? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 942.76 945.35 Yeah, yeah, that yeah, that's feasible. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 946.41 950.29 I'd go for a I ca we can adjust the volume on that, just as we could volume on T. V. . 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 945.46 946.41 That sounds good then. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 951.26 953.45 Um I think it would r 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 952.16 955.36 So if sombody's in the other room or if T. V. s in different rooms, or. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 962.44 964.49 So it would be s p yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 956.02 962.44 I think it would probably be a a stand it would be a stand it would be quite loud. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 958.22 959.02 A standard. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 961.48 962.09 It would be. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 962.26 963.24 Okay. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 963.24 964.49 You built into the feature. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 961.68 962.26 Right. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 963.83 968.45 And if you didn't hear it in the room that you were standing in, then you'd realise that it wasn't in that room, you'd go into another room. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 967.33 967.76 Okay. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 968.07 968.29 Yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 970.72 971.57 That's a one for me. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 968.99 970.72 Logical. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 971.53 973.08 Yeah, one. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 972.8 975.64 One and one, good. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 973.73 973.97 One. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 976.8 982.5 I do realise that we might be being fairly biased, 'cause it is our product, but 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1017.57 1019.58 or do we have to make further modifications? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 985.82 995.08 We've got our our we've got the highest rating of meeting the specifications that is definitely true for two of the uh six criteria there. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1011.19 1017.57 Do we feel on the basis of tha of these evaluation findings that we can go ahead and now produce this as a prototype and market it 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 995.08 1001.02 That is for um incorporates current fashion trends and is easy to locate. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1001.02 1011.19 The lowest rating we've got, which is really n it's not terribly low, i it's close around neutral is for uh the minimisation of repetitive strain injury. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 980.73 985.82 So, how do we feel about this? 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1021.4 1022.18 I don't think so. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1022.9 1026.04 W I thin yeah, I think yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1023.43 1024.4 We happy to go ahead? 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1025.58 1026.27 I think we're set. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1024.31 1025.58 I think we yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1031.23 1032.01 and I really doubt if 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1026.9 1031.23 I think for most of those ratings that it's high enough at the upper end of the scale for us to go ahead with that 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1025.61 1026.9 Yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1033.08 1039.46 on the basis of current technology and our current capabilities, we could actually do much more to minimise that. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1037.84 1040.4 Do much apart from having a huge big 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1039.24 1039.85 Mm. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1040.35 1041.99 I know. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1042.79 1045 Well, I hope that's uh clear to the team. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1041.99 1042.79 Okay. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1045 1048.17 Is there anything you would like to to ask me about the findings before I 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1049.28 1049.65 sum up? 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1050.24 1050.81 Don't think so. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1050.44 1050.72 No. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1052.69 1053.57 Fine then. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1050.9 1052.69 Good. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1053.57 1054.64 I'll just leave it there. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1054.64 1055.9 Oops. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1054.33 1055.66 Okay, thank you. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1063.83 1067.22 Okay, I've got finance here now. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1067.22 1070.58 I'm gonna plug this in so you can all see it, if that's okay. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1064.69 1065.23 Hmm. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1072.23 1072.59 Um. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1072.25 1072.91 Oh yes. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1078.78 1080.04 You want me to b unplug that? 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1096.98 1097.68 Yes. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1096.55 1096.98 That's all. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1098.28 1098.81 Thanks. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1108.89 1109.31 Right. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1110.38 1111.03 Okay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1112.61 1113.73 Now I presume 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1115.56 1116.72 that the screen will go blank, 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1117.91 1119.63 that um 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1126.68 1132.01 We just type numbers into this and we come out with the final value. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1132.01 1134.84 So are we still on for kinetic? 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1126 1126.68 Okay. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1135.09 1135.43 Yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1135.45 1135.7 Yes. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1139.95 1142.17 Um it might have influenced our choice. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1136.15 1137.15 Okay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1137.15 1139.95 See, it woulda been handy to have this at the beginning. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1145.09 1147.89 Right, what's happening with the electronics? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1148.34 1151.87 It was a regular chip on print and 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1150.01 1150.8 Chip on print. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1157.94 1158.86 Double-curved. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1158.09 1159.64 Oh, no, no, no, the um 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1161.33 1166.78 Yeah, it's you you've put in three for the number of kinetic cells, there should just be one. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1168.02 1171.13 In the top, it's the number of c yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1169.94 1171.2 Oh, right, okay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1172.39 1172.95 Thanks. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1174.66 1179.55 Yeah, and yeah, just a no, one reg v uh 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1175.2 1176.28 So, would there be two? 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1179.73 1180.28 One chip. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1180.64 1183.66 Yeah, one of them and one sample sensor and sample speaker. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1183.43 1183.92 Okay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1183.81 1184.36 Okay. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1187.64 1188.14 Yep. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1188.18 1189.49 And they're double curved. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1189.49 1190.83 No. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1190.83 1191.46 Y 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1190.93 1192.08 Single-curved. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1191.3 1192.1 One double curve. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1192.93 1194.43 Two, 'cause it's two. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1193.71 1194.32 Two curves, yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1194.81 1196.93 But it has a slightly flattened bottom so it can sit. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1196.93 1197.69 So it can rest. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1197.3 1198.68 So what's a single curve then? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1198.5 1202.57 Yeah, I'd say I'd say it was w yeah, I think I think it's 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1201.68 1202.83 like a domed thing. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1199.33 1201.68 It would just be a flat bottom with one curve. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1202.88 1204.38 So just one double 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1202.99 1203.67 Single-cu 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1204.42 1204.71 Mm. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1204.64 1205.74 One double-curved. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1207.04 1207.82 Um 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1205.48 1207.04 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1206.93 1211.71 And one no, 'cause one yeah, one's double-curved, and then the other one's 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1207.73 1208.65 Plastic and rubber. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1210.63 1214.04 The other curves at the sides, but it's slightly flattened at the bottom so it doesn't roll over. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1214.04 1214.24 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1213.84 1214.2 Mm. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1216.44 1220.34 Um we've got plastic and rubber, haven't we? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1217.76 1218.46 a plastic. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1220.58 1220.8 Yeah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1221.78 1224.45 Plastic one and maybe rubber point five. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1221.03 1221.78 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1223.18 1224.13 And special colour. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1227.56 1230.99 No I think rubber, since it's being used just as a casing, we can put point five. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1227.88 1228.17 Um 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1232.31 1233.05 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1232.9 1233.29 Do you think? 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1233.49 1234.43 Yeah, because there are 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1235.49 1238 I think it allows the point five, yeah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1238 1238.94 We can use that. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1239.11 1239.8 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1239.32 1239.72 Okay. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1240.69 1242.47 What does it mean if you put point five for that? 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1244.59 1245.35 We're using just 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1242.52 1244.59 It means we are not using a lot of rubber actually. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1244.83 1246.48 It would be like saying we're using 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1246.79 1249.56 a very low quantity of rubber compared to plastic. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1250.74 1252.61 See, it says case material. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1253.4 1253.76 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1258.43 1260.08 It's including, it's including. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1253.85 1258.43 So we're not actually using plastic in the case, are we? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1257.14 1259.31 No, no, that's it's as an extra. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1259.48 1260.93 Right, okay. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1260.45 1266.79 So that shouldn't that shouldn't be actually on there, because that's not incorporated in the cost of the remote you get. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1267.28 1271.72 But it is gonna be part of the total cost, and there's nowhere else we can we can put that in, is there? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1274.84 1276.76 So do we not have to account for it in the cost somewhere there? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1271.72 1274.84 There's nowhere else we can code for the the rubber used in the casing. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1278.4 1281.24 Okay, we'll just put it in as we'll put in as half. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1281.25 1281.47 Okay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1283.57 1286.36 Or sh we should just put it in as one, because the plastic is zero anyway. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1286.33 1287.64 Yeah, okay. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1286.7 1286.94 Mm. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1289.38 1292.2 No, we don't step on anyone's toes. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1292.2 1293.94 Okay, special colour, do we need that? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1294.33 1299.34 Might do, if we go for some of the more exotic aubergines and such like colours. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1296.43 1297.34 N yeah, okay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1300.33 1301.53 Interface. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1302.11 1302.72 Push-button. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1304.21 1308.25 Yeah, the push-button's one and L. C. display one. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1304.99 1305.32 One. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1306.94 1307.42 An 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1309.63 1310.08 One. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1311.34 1312.27 And buttons 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1311.8 1312.18 Buttons 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1370.74 1370.87 S 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1371.74 1373.58 I think we could change the battery also. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1373.58 1375.94 Instead of going for kinetic how about going for a standard battery. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1382.24 1383.83 Is it oh, it's brought it slightly down. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1377.35 1382.24 Has that not made any d if you click off that square now, has that not made any difference? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1382.03 1383.12 Well yes. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1383.15 1386.73 Oh no, it was seven five it's changed not a lot. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1382.35 1383.15 Has that not gone up? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1386.26 1391.26 So is is uncurved completely and just actually making the rubber case the curved thing, is that going to make a difference? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1390.02 1390.32 Yeah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1391.61 1392.63 Uncurved, flat. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1395.63 1397.85 Oh, it's not made any difference, has it? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1397.52 1398.57 No, we'll have 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1397.89 1399.6 No, it just surprises one. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1398.63 1400.57 Oh, it's not calculated it. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1399.38 1402.07 No, no, you've got to click off to calculate it again. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1400.02 1400.28 Oh. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1402.8 1403.55 Okay, there we go. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1403.46 1405.07 It's brought it down slightly. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1404.34 1406.39 It's not a lot though. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1412.79 1419.27 And then it would be fine, because the exchange range would make it about twelve. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1410.65 1412.79 It could be in Dollars. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1419.27 1420.12 No. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1405.18 1410.65 C it might uh you might you might be assuming that that is in Euros. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1415.67 1417.6 I don't think so. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1416.36 1417.73 Is there anything on the menu 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1416.42 1419.56 We haven't been dealin we haven't been dealing with dollars though, I think 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1418.58 1418.85 No. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1419.89 1421.14 Ri I think it's in Euro. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1421.12 1424 Okay, so the highest we've got is the electronics here. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1425.41 1426.01 Um 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1427.23 1429.45 and the interface. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1427.47 1428.8 If we tr um. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1429.88 1436.45 If we moved away from our much loved idea of a kinetic battery and just went with the standard batteries, would that make a huge difference? 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1433.73 1435.11 And going to a regular bat 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1440.16 1443.24 The biggest one would be taking away if you took away 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1436.48 1440.16 Yeah, the standard, it um it would make one difference. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1436.81 1437 Yeah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1444.22 1446.89 What I feel is, customers never said anything about the battery. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1449.39 1452.09 But shape and colours, that's something we shouldn't comprimi 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1446.89 1449.39 It's internal, nobody looks into the battery. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1445.43 1445.79 If you to 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1448.55 1448.92 Yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1450.29 1455.09 And people are used to buying batteries, they're not gonna say I'm not getting this, 'cause I've got to buy a battery for a remote control. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1450.99 1454.44 If if you take away the voice, I I do I don't like to say it,
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1454.44 1457.18 but if you take away the voice recognition, then you've got it. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1458.66 1460.22 Where's that special form? 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1461.33 1463.05 Mm mm mm. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1461.66 1463.38 Should we see what difference it makes? 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1462.96 1463.49 Where's the 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1464.18 1468.69 No 'cause it's samples sens sample speaker. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1463.47 1464.18 Yeah i yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1468.69 1472.06 If you took away that, that'll make it twelve point three five. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1464.44 1465.67 where's the voice recognition? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1464.5 1464.97 Um 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1468.64 1469.56 Right, okay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1472.12 1473.61 Well the kinetic is three. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1473.61 1476.41 If we change it to the battery it's that's minus three. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1475.4 1480.15 They n n yeah, but you p minus three plus two. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1480.79 1482.41 I keep seeing zero. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1480.23 1480.79 Oh, right. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1483.56 1484.32 Um 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1488.68 1493.09 We can do it some other way, we can do it doesn't have to be voice recognition. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1493.09 1500.37 We could do the voice recognition for, you know, business class or something, you know, like an upgraded version. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1500.37 1502.18 You could choose to have that or not. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1497.73 1498 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1501.54 1507.6 But they but I mean in I don't see why we have to sell it for twenty five Euros now 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1499.76 1501.54 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1507.6 1511.32 because they w they were saying they were quite willing to pay more for better product. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1499.95 1500.28 Sure. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1500.31 1500.59 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1511.8 1514.59 But we're still working to um head o 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1513.26 1516.59 So should we just change the design specification then? 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1515.58 1517.53 Make it costly. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1527.56 1530.37 But we need to work to that specification to start with. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1517.1 1521.86 If we if we're working to head office specifications as this is what this project team's working for 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1533.09 1539.81 but our object is so distinctive that that in itself is gonna make it easier to locate as a f you know in a first instance. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1521.86 1527.56 we can put in our recommendations for what we've we've found and what we the consensus that we've come to as a result of the meetings. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1530.37 1533.09 And I think the voice recognition sounds wonderful 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1539.81 1544.91 Um as you say, we can offer the voice recognition initially to business class customers and so 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1515.68 1517.1 We can put in our recommendations. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1517.91 1518.33 Yes. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1522.07 1522.46 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1526.76 1527.14 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1526.84 1528.56 We c we could s 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1530.05 1531.28 Yeah, we could say 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1530.07 1530.52 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1544.93 1546.05 Okay, we can 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1547.13 1547.72 Yeah, I s 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1563.47 1564.67 Right, okay, so 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1556.25 1560.26 They like their gadgets, they like something that's completely different. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1547.48 1556.25 make the price fit, and then say if we'd had our budget, we would've had this, because it also sets it apart from the crowd. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1560.26 1563.47 It's s something completely different associated with your company. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1549.97 1552.03 And then say we recommend 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1552.07 1552.46 Mm. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1553.35 1553.61 Yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1553.38 1553.63 Yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1555.06 1557.99 'Cause we've done all the background work to go for that if they want it. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1559.56 1559.83 Yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1560.27 1560.84 Yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1565.4 1567.96 So if we take voice recognition out 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1570.6 1573.89 Twelve point three five. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1567.94 1570.6 That'll do it. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1573.89 1576.88 Is it twelve point fif was it twelve point fifty? 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1572.23 1573.5 Yeah we are close to the budget. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1572.58 1573.21 we are. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1575.01 1575.89 Two five. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1575.05 1577.21 It's two point five. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1577.21 1579.07 No, it's twelve point two five. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1579.89 1580.71 Are you sure? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1580.71 1582.61 Sorry, not meaning to doubt your words there. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1581.9 1584.82 Yeah well two, twelve point two five times two is 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1587.47 1589.64 Are they really going to quibble about ten P. ? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1586.28 1587.47 Right. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1586.69 1588.15 twenty five, isn't it? 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1588 1589.33 It's twelve point five maybe, then. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1594.56 1595.66 Which is less than ten P. . 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1591.45 1594.56 Or point zero one of a Euro? 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1604.73 1606.47 So half of the price would be 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1601.5 1604.73 I don't know what it said fifty percent of the cost. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1604.63 1608.41 I think the agenda one was where the um price was, wasn't it? 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1608.41 1608.67 No. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1612.95 1613.88 I think it is the first one. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1614.53 1615.34 That's today's 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1619.4 1620.69 kick off meeting,. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1622.62 1623.38 Twelve point five. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1623.7 1625.01 Mm. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1625.01 1626.18 I thought that's what it was. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1624.27 1625.13 Ah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1624.72 1626.1 So we are under the budget. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1626.45 1627.2 Well done, people. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1627.91 1628.73 So we're okay. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1630.55 1632.17 Okay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1630.89 1634.18 So is that uh got us covered for the electronics then? 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1634.18 1636.8 We don't need something else to take that place? 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1636.8 1637.26 Okay. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1634.52 1634.81 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1637.76 1642.24 'Cause that that was just a bought-on extra, you could just take that out 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1636.26 1637.76 No. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1643.77 1645.35 and that would be fine, yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1644.7 1645.48 Okay. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1653.17 1653.75 Seems fine. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1655.05 1655.98 Yeah, I think that's brilliant. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1655.8 1658.07 Except voice recognition, everything is 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1657.33 1659.21 Right, so we've done that. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1663.72 1665.61 Product evaluation. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1662.03 1663.72 Okay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1669.48 1675.13 Because we've got decisions that we would have made that we weren't didn't feel able to make. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1675.13 1675.74 Um 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1666.92 1669.48 We've done room for creativity, haven't we? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1669.25 1669.56 Yeah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1669.66 1669.97 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1677.48 1679.97 I presume we discussed leadership and teamwork. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1680.41 1680.67 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1683.69 1685.23 Yes. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1684.26 1684.48 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1685.36 1687.36 um in the sense that 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1689.15 1691.88 um did you feel like a team? 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1691.88 1698.06 Or did you feel like uh autonomy? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1695.04 1696.24 Yeah, I'd say, as a team. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1703.15 1712.38 And I've certainly felt heard, listened to in that in relevant areas we've been able to, you know, give and take and adjust our remit where necessary. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1696.56 1703.15 Although we had our separate tasks, there was so much interaction, so much that we needed to um bounce off each other. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1697.03 1698.21 I think we had a nice time. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1698.48 1698.85 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1701.17 1703.07 Find out from each other, yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1711.3 1711.6 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1711.58 1711.97 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1720.27 1722.18 There is more of uh true cohesive teamwork. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1717.14 1720.27 It's not like people trying to cut each other. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1722.18 1725.57 We came to a very predic creative design, yeah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1713.31 1717.14 Yeah, I think there was uh very constructive feedback by everybody. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1726.72 1727.61 Yeah, and uh 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1729.64 1731.37 And Sarah, you coordinated the work very well. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1728.92 1729.64 Yeah, I think. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1731.84 1732.96 Thank you. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1732.96 1734.46 How did you find it? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1753.66 1762.75 I think it would have made it into the final product if it was actually if if if we'd seen the marketing before the initial specification was put out,
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1734.64 1739.55 Yeah, no, I thought it it went really well and I yeah 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1739.55 1748.93 I I feel that everyone was listened to and all the points that were raised seem to have been sorted out,
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1762.75 1767.99 I think maybe it would've come out a d little different, but yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1748.93 1753.66 although we didn't quite make the voice recognition in there, but that's that's good. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1753.18 1753.63 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1766.96 1768.32 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1788.28 1788.9 Um 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1786.69 1788.28 I like that. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1783.99 1786.69 then it didn't matter, 'cause it was just another idea in the field. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1778.69 1783.99 you know, y it didn't matter it saying what you thought, because if it wasn't something that was that relevant,
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1768.32 1778.69 I liked the fact that we could say an idea and it'd be suggested that that wasn't the best idea, but no one felt like shot down,
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1778.02 1778.37 Yeah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1778.4 1778.8 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1786.58 1786.94 Mm. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1787.34 1787.63 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1790.6 1794.86 Well you two created that wonderful specimen of a Play-Doh model. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1790.08 1790.6 teamwork. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1795.18 1796.01 Yeah, well. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1795.96 1799.2 I think that was the best part of the 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1805.51 1806 Um 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1802.5 1805.51 But that's nothing to do with the teamwork at all. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1795.96 1802.5 Um uh I'm still not caught up. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1812.83 1814.19 And fake R. C. s. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1806.77 1812.83 Maybe we should think of branching out into children's toys and fake mobile phones as a side line. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1810 1810.65 Maybe. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1813.16 1813.39 'Kay. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1814.44 1815.97 No, that was quite fun. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1820.55 1821.33 Any ideas? 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1815.97 1820.55 Um means, whiteboard, digital pens, etcetera, what does that mean? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1820.25 1823.33 Discuss which ones yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1820.59 1825.5 How do we evaluate the materials we had for communicating and sharing information? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1825.79 1826.1 Yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1826.9 1828.72 Could it've been better, was it adequate? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1829.63 1835.03 Yeah, I think I think we probably woulda used the outer email system more, had we actually 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1835.62 1836.67 Had time to kind of 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1836.52 1837.14 Mm. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1837.06 1841.83 had had more time and if we'd been separated more. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1846.14 1848.42 rather than having to email it, yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1848.42 1849.84 But it was nice having it there. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1841.51 1846.14 Yeah, 'cause we could just sort of say, sorry what did you say about that or what do you think about that,
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1843.24 1843.52 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1845.84 1846.17 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1847.38 1847.86 Yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1847.92 1848.29 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1851.03 1853.5 Um like the whole picture of the thing. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1857.17 1862.63 But I think it's good, like uh we spent times individually. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1854.16 1857.17 Yeah, moving around the room. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1856.75 1857.08 Yeah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1894.74 1897.43 I never thought of a remote control with a flip top. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1899.96 1902.96 Yeah, I think it's new ideas in general, rather than 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1904.83 1909.22 it so it's I mean nothing is new, but it's applying it to a d in a different area. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1900.85 1904.83 It's really borrowing from other areas, it's, you know, bringing things from other areas in,
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1901.99 1902.3 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1906.99 1907.39 Mm. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1909.27 1910.17 Vegetables. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1910.2 1912.04 That's mine. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1912.25 1912.7 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1915.75 1917.09 Yeah, no. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1917.09 1918.88 Well they have to come from somewhere, don't they? 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1916.64 1917.39 Yeah, it's 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1918.31 1919.44 Absolutely, yeah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1920.04 1920.79 The thing is 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1936.78 1942.16 'cause it's w something we should think about, but obviously no one's put any great deal of thought into it. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1931.97 1936.78 I mean they're slightly different, so if someone's been shut in the room and said make ours a bit different from everyone else's,
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1920.2 1922.99 And as sh as w sorry, you go. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1922.99 1931.97 Um as was shown by your presentation with all of the other controls, remote controls, no one's thought about it particularly. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1921.75 1922.51 Yep, sorry, go on Sarah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1930.56 1930.94 No. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1930.95 1931.27 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1937.5 1937.92 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1949.29 1952.22 Can't you get the one that we used for the last one? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1959.53 1962.77 They're trying to ship the D. V. D. player, the video player, the T. V. . 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1939.72 1944.51 Yeah, I do I don't think the the companies are really concerned. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1954.47 1959.53 Uh d they don't really think about it, because normally, the remote control isn't the product which they're trying to ship. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1944.51 1949.29 They're just like we've got a D. V. D. player, does anyone remember the remote control? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1952.22 1954.47 Yeah, just jazz it up a bit. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1952.42 1952.62 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1953.89 1954.23 Mm. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1954.5 1955.26 Yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 1960.07 1962.02 Yeah, the focus isn't on to that, yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1977.13 1984.94 I mean they could even go into um you go in with an idea and they design it on Photoshop and then they just get it printed on the plastic,
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1984.94 1992.06 you would pray you would pay a lot extra, because it's individually being a plastic was being made for you. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1969.84 1977.13 I mean if you could have something that's a proper funky thing, a funky item that's individual, individual to you 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1992.06 1995.56 But people could have anything that they wanted. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1961.76 1969.84 But then when it everything is really smart, and you've just got this big chunk of black thing sitting on your coffee table, it doesn't go,
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1964.63 1964.92 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1967.13 1967.44 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1970.05 1970.65 No. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1972.82 1973.2 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1984.68 1985.01 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1991.38 1991.9 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 1995.45 1995.9 Mm. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 2011.18 2013.02 Like Sarah was telling, everything's 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 2006.13 2011.18 And new f television products coming up, but nobody giving uh much idea to this. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 1996.81 2006.13 Surprising to me is like uh people give a lot of attention to modifying mobile phones, like a real want to see a new launch or something like that. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 1997.12 1997.92 Because of the produ 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2002 2002.3 Mm. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2005.7 2006.06 Yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2028.51 2031.37 There are innovations in that that people don't really want. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2031.37 2036.87 I see people wanting a model of the phone they were really happy with, and they can't get it anymore and it's innovation for innovation's sake 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2011.08 2018.17 I think it's really good that this has been very market research based, because just going back to mobile phones,
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2036.87 2039.61 and I think it's wonderful our company's so R. and D. based. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2024.07 2028.51 We see it in mobile phones a lot, and tha that's where we've borrowed a lot of our ide our ideas from. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2018.17 2024.07 I mean this is the first change in remote control devices that I can really, you know, say is is obvious and visible. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 2015.69 2015.97 Right. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2031.17 2031.83 Yes. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2031.37 2031.77 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2034.61 2035.07 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2039.73 2043.08 Well, it's innovation for money's sake. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2045.44 2045.99 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2043.08 2045.44 The the people have to keep buying. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 2040.11 2040.54 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2042.38 2044.21 Yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2044.21 2045.79 But forcing it onto people, yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2045.79 2048.92 It's things that, you know, they might want to buy the thing they really want. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2055.82 2056.42 Yes. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2052.9 2055.82 because the phones have moved on, things like that. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2048.06 2052.9 And you can't get you've got your handset that works fine, but you can't get the battery anymore for that type of phone,
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2051.83 2052.79 Mm. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2052.79 2053.21 Mm. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2054.57 2056.62 Or there isn't a cover to fit it or whatever, yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2059.04 2059.58 Um 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2057.78 2059.04 It's madness. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2059.06 2059.83 See I think 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2062.23 2063.61 In closing 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2064.6 2066.19 There we go. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2066.19 2075.14 Um our costs are below budget with recommendations that they the budget be increased, but I think I don't know, d what do you think? 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2075.14 2077.52 Do you think that's takes into account um 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2079.96 2080.71 overheads 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2084.71 2089.83 And the heating for the building, do you think our budget includes everything, all the costs that are going out? 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2081.56 2084.71 like us being well paid kind of a thing? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2085.81 2086.12 Well. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2089.6 2092.96 I think it was just the produc uh just the production cost of the phone. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2091.17 2093.27 I think that was just the the physical. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2099.94 2106.23 So maybe increasing it, you would also have to increase the price that it's sold at. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2106.23 2108.81 But I think but you were saying that that's quite 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2093.12 2099.94 So it looks well it looks like it's gonna be fifty percent profit, you've still got all of the overheads to come out of that. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2096.66 2096.96 Yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2097.23 2097.71 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2099.96 2100.23 Yeah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 2105.59 2107.07 Maybe fifty percent more. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2105.88 2110.64 Yeah, I think yeah I don't from the market research. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2108.55 2111.19 But I think in the remit that we were given, it was very specific. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2117.81 2122.44 I don't think that's something we have to look at and find a way of raising the cash for. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2111.19 2112.69 I think we've done what we were required to do 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2112.69 2117.81 and I think there'll have to be another project team or a new project for us to look at at those kind of things. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2112.64 2113.1 Hmm. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2120.6 2120.88 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2120.85 2121.23 No. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2123.27 2124.44 Yeah, it was 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2123.98 2131.52 I think we've done very well to get within budget and it still makes such an innovative item that I think people are really gonna want. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2126.04 2126.37 Mm. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2129.56 2130.04 Yeah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 2132.53 2132.96 Yeah. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2133.17 2136.46 It's a shame it won't ever get made. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2136.46 2137.44 Maybe it will. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2137.44 2139.84 Maybe someone'll r run down and patent it. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2136.92 2140.36 Maybe they are gonna steal our ideas and sell it. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2136.48 2136.92 Maybe it will. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2134.77 2136.48 I know. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 2136.65 2137.19 Who knows? 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2138.21 2139.94 I it's top secret. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2139.94 2142.79 Um it's it is it's a conspiracy going on here. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2142.79 2143.76 That's what it is. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2158.9 2164.5 so I'll be delegating in my um role as Project Supervisor, so good luck. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2152.14 2158.9 Oh, so we've got about fifty minutes to catch up with everything that I fell behind with,
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2142.71 2147.36 Um the project has been evaluated well and truly. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2147.36 2152.14 Um and we've got the meeting survey and questionnaire. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 2146.44 2146.76 Yeah. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2146.92 2147.39 Mm-hmm. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 2151.4 2152.34 There's a final questionnaire. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2160.25 2163.67 In your yeah. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 2167.51 2169.48 Celebration, you didn't talk about that. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2169.54 2172.03 I think the celebration is the twenty five pounds. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2172.88 2174.64 Either that or we'll be dancing on the desks. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2176.67 2176.91 Oh. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2176.91 2177.77 Questionnaire. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2182.56 2183.5 Okay. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2183.5 2184.23 Is that it then? 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2184.79 2186.77 Um yeah, just the last, I think. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2191.23 2192.53 Awesome. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2191.81 2195 I think I've got minutes for two of the meeting and the 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2196.19 2197.03 last thingy. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2197.92 2199.58 Questionnaire done. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2200.84 2204.92 Oh, I didn't have to rate you on how much you influenced the meeting this time. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2204.6 2208.81 Was that not the questionnaire for the how you felt you'd done in your 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2209.98 2210.17 thing? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2211.51 2213.79 But do we not sometimes evaluate in these meetings too? 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2210.77 2211.51 Oh, right. 
ES2004d H03 FEE016 2213.79 2214.31 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2211.56 2213.46 I don't think. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2213.46 2215.42 Yeah, the the s yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2215.42 2219.19 I think yeah, questionnaire seven was the one I did just before the meeting. 
ES2004d H00 MEO015 2220.03 2220.34 Yeah. 
ES2004d H02 MEE014 2221.15 2221.33 Mm. 
ES2004d H01 FEE013 2221.67 2222.25 I just got con 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 0.08 4.8 Uh, making a profit of fifty million Euros. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 4.8 8.73 So, it's go gonna have to be be pretty damn trendy. 
ES2005a H00 MEE018 0.75 1.61 Alright so twenty five. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 4.08 4.59 Mm 'kay. 
ES2005a H00 MEE018 5.43 5.96 So yeah, I've 
ES2005a H00 MEE018 13.19 16.05 So uh 
ES2005a H00 MEE018 6.79 13.19 The only the only remote controls I've used usually come with the television, and they're fairly basic. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 10.96 11.75 Yeah. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 11.75 12.09 Yeah. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 11.3 11.57 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 13.78 14.9 Yeah, I was thinking that as well,
ES2005a H02 MEE017 14.9 22.49 I think the the only ones that I've seen that you buy are the sort of one for all type things where they're, yeah. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 22.49 24.97 So presumably that might be an idea to 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 21.81 22.27 Yeah. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 20.18 21.81 Yeah the universal ones. 
ES2005a H00 MEE018 21.72 22.14 Mm. 
ES2005a H00 MEE018 25.54 30.29 But but to sell it for twenty five you need a lot of neat features. 
ES2005a H00 MEE018 30.29 31.5 For sure. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 26.18 26.87 put into. 
ES2005a H01 MEO020 26.66 27.16 Slim. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 30.47 30.8 Yeah. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 30.77 31.86 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 31.86 34.46 Uh 'cause I mean, what uh twenty five Euros, that's about 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 35.94 37.42 I dunno, fifteen Pounds or so? 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 38.36 39.47 Mm-hmm, it's about that. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 38.65 40.36 And that's quite a lot for a remote control. 
ES2005a H00 MEE018 40.6 41.33 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 56.23 60.32 Make that might make it a bit different from the rest at least. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 48.29 56.23 As you said they come with the T. V. so it's normally just your basic grey black remote control functions, so maybe we could think about colour? 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 65.03 71.7 so um I thought maybe something like if you lose it and you can whistle, you know those things? 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 42.36 48.29 Um well my first thoughts would be most remote controls are grey or black. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 40.65 42.36 Mm. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 60.32 65.03 Um, and as you say, we need to have some kind of gimmick,
ES2005a H02 MEE017 51.19 51.5 Uh-huh. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 56.08 56.47 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 65.83 66.08 Okay. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 74.58 75.66 Okay, that's cool. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 71.18 74.58 The the keyrings, yeah yeah. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 72.31 74.14 Because we always lose our remote control. 
ES2005a H00 MEE018 74.34 74.56 Right. 
ES2005a H01 MEO020 91.91 95.75 What are the available prices of the other remote controls in the prices? 
ES2005a H01 MEO020 95.75 106.66 What speciality other remote controls are having and how complicated it is to use these remote controls as compared to other remote controls available in the market. 
ES2005a H01 MEO020 74.36 78.84 Uh yeah uh 
ES2005a H01 MEO020 78.84 91.91 being as a Marketing Exper Expert I will like to say like before deciding the cost of this remote control or any other things we must see the market potential for this product like what is the competition in the market? 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 99.12 99.5 Okay. 
ES2005a H01 MEO020 124.72 127.61 M. P. three player like any electronic devices. 
ES2005a H01 MEO020 106.74 117.55 So before deciding or before finalising this project, we must discuss all these things, like and apart from this, it should be having a good look also 
ES2005a H01 MEO020 117.55 124.72 because people really li uh like to play with it when they are watching movies or playing with or playing with their C. D. player 
ES2005a H01 MEO020 127.61 133.54 They really want to have something good, having a good design in their hands, so, yes, all this. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 112.52 112.9 Okay. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 120.16 120.64 Mm. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 125.73 126.12 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 127.28 127.61 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 130.19 130.54 Yeah. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 130.88 131.07 Okay. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 132.27 132.34 'Kay. 
ES2005a H00 MEE018 133.91 135.91 Uh, what do we think a 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 134.13 136.26 So, we're looking for 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 140.13 141.05 We're 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 137.19 140.13 'Kay. 
ES2005a H00 MEE018 139.88 142.72 What do we think a good size would be for this? 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 143.91 144.66 Sorry, carry on. 
ES2005a H00 MEE018 151.38 154.93 or you could have a really small slim one but then you could lose it easily. 
ES2005a H00 MEE018 144.4 151.38 'Cause I I know as you add more buttons to the remote it sometimes gets so big and clunky and there's just like a hundred buttons on it 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 148.99 149.58 Yeah. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 149.28 149.6 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 151.02 151.31 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 151.28 151.65 Yeah. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 155.88 163.63 Kind of um, maybe more like a P. D. A. kind of, just hand held, like, 'cause 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 154.08 155.88 Then you lose it, yeah. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 154.71 155.12 Okay. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 162.72 168.98 For for uh remember we're trying to make it for twelve Euros fifty. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 167.33 168 Yeah. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 168 171.1 No, I wasn't, no sorry I wasn't thinking of the screen of like a P. D. A. but 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 170.44 179.39 Okay well right we'll have to um I'll we're k having another meeting in half an hour so um we should all look into a bit 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 175.91 176.26 Okay. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 180.51 182.88 uh, oh actually, no, we'll allocate. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 182.88 187.44 So you do the looking around at other remote controls. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 187.44 198.37 Um, if you could maybe come up with sort of shapes and suggested shades or whatever, and you could look into um 
ES2005a H01 MEO020 186.61 187.33 Yeah. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 201.86 210.53 basically how how it's made I. E. like how you make it all in one, how what sort of materials are available to you whatever. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 210.53 214.1 And obviously, other instructions will come from the personal coach. 
ES2005a H00 MEE018 214.88 215.12 Right. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 215.63 217.82 Which will probably just usurp what I said so 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 219.73 220.05 Yep. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 217.76 219.73 So you want me to look at shapes and everything you said? 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 219.33 223.95 Shapes and colours and um basically how to make it attractive. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 220.45 220.84 Okay. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 225.11 225.34 Uh. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 225.21 225.58 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 234.55 237.31 Cool. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 228.98 234.55 And you look at competition and design. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 237.31 240.35 So we have uh 
ES2005a H01 MEO020 230.82 231.03 Yep. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 235.8 236.08 Okay. 
ES2005a H00 MEE018 236.14 237.11 Okay. 
ES2005a H00 MEE018 239.96 240.89 Wait for emails? 
ES2005a H01 MEO020 241.4 242.19 Uh. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 243.63 248.47 Um. 
ES2005a H00 MEE018 255.4 256.02 Hmm. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 281.89 283.2 And no doubt we'll get um 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 279.54 281.89 Okay, groovy. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 283.89 285.04 Oh no,. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 285.04 286.22 Sorry it's okay. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 292.69 298.86 I shall I can't imagine these are worth much. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 298.86 301.44 Okay. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 286.02 291.94 We'll get um warnings for next meetings as well. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 291.94 292.69 Okay. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 285.14 286.02 Sorry. 
ES2005a H03 FEE019 289.91 290.62 Okay, cool. 
ES2005a H01 MEO020 299.07 299.37 Hmm. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 305.73 306.39 Okay. 
ES2005a H02 MEE017 302.7 305.73 Fashion into electronic. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 0.52 12.09 Um minutes from the last meeting which were essentially that we uh had decided on roles for each of you,
ES2005b H02 MEE017 12.09 18.73 however, um there are some changes that I've got from on high that um 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 17.03 17.73 Okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 53.88 55.49 Good stuff. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 20.07 29.1 are a bit uh well w what I didn't actually realise it was that the uh this is for a specific television. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 52.93 53.88 Okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 52.16 52.93 Raring to go? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 45.31 52.16 So um, presentations, were you anybody got, raring to go? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 29.1 31.33 So the all in one idea goes out the window. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 31.33 40.18 And they require that the uh actually I'll get to that at the end point number four 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 40.18 45.31 um we'll get what you've got and then we can see what we can adapt from it. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 28.17 28.54 Okay. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 31.56 31.94 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 50.86 51.99 Yeah. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 51.99 52.19 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 57.75 58.28 Mm. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 63.56 64.19 So how 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 62.72 63.56 Um. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 63.47 71.59 Oh I need to plug you in. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 76.36 78.16 S 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 76.47 78.97 Wow. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 76.68 78.01 Just about. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 78.16 80.77 It's a inspired design. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 84.35 85.52 Sh do you want me to hold it? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 86.78 89.19 Uh there we go, just screw 'em on in. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 89.19 98.24 Gonna have to swap them round so now, it was function F. eight. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 94.87 96.56 So, after that? 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 98.58 99.31 F. eight. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 100.68 102.93 f oh sorry F. eight. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 100.97 101.87 That's the wee blue one. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 103.83 104.48 Blue one F. eight. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 106.71 109.05 Should do it, good one. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 106.74 107.05 Okay. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 110.31 110.59 Yeah. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 123.28 128.62 Uh, as we have decided in the last meeting that I have to find out, sorry, yeah sure. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 119.08 123.28 Uh, me again, Rajan the Marketing Expert. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 117.75 119.08 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 127.14 128 Hold on, sorry. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 129.4 132.65 and if you just click that it'll go ahead, one at a time. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 133.41 137.32 Uh actually, sorry I have to see the other, sorry. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 132.1 133.41 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 136.35 139.33 Sorry, uh. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 141.72 151.5 Uh, yes, I have to look at the uh market potential for this product, uh, like consumer likings and everything 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 158.88 159.18 Then 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 151.5 158.88 what is the potential for this product and are we able to achieve our a net profit or our aims or not? 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 139.96 141.72 Yeah, thank you. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 161.18 163.35 P press F. five to start it first. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 163.99 164.46 Sorry. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 183.67 188.87 what they prefer what they not prefer, w what problems they do encounter in all this type of things. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 169.56 178 Uh then uh the methodology I adopted to find out all this was market survey. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 164.98 165.62 Okay. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 165.62 169.56 Yeah, I can, okay. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 178 183.67 A a detailed market survey on consumers was done to find out their likings and dislikings,
ES2005b H00 MEE018 167.7 168.12 Hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 168.95 169.53 Jesus. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 208.95 214.86 So, we have to put stress on this, uh we have to take care of this fact also like our design,
ES2005b H01 MEO020 189.39 202.08 And what we got was, we found that if you uh, what they th what problems they are having with different uh remote controls available in the market. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 207.49 208.95 They are not so good looking. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 214.86 218.96 uh should be appropriate, should be good looking for the consumers. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 202.08 207.49 Seventy five percent of users they do find it that the remote controls available in the market are ugly. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 219.52 226.7 And yes that's wi uh this will definitely, this can definitely put uh uh enhance our sales. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 259.41 264.52 then we can hope that consumers will prefer these g remote controls. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 239 250.06 So even if the available market goes for the available uh even if the market goes for the available remote control is less even then we can sell it at twenty five Euros 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 228.16 239 Uh and even uh the good thing about this is that eighty percent of users they are willing to pay high uh pay more for this uh good looking remote controls also. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 250.06 259.41 which maybe which may seem quite high but if our looks are are if the re remote control we design have a good better uh better look uh designs 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 264.52 265.37 Then 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 263.73 264.12 Excellent. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 281.06 290.58 but rather than those having more functions in the remote controls we should emphasise what actually consumer want, what they operate, rather than making it too complicated. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 267.82 281.06 And the second thing, some some companies they think that they should have more and more functions of the users uh or in their remote controls,
ES2005b H01 MEO020 313.83 321.29 So this will not only reduce the cost of our remote controls but it will increase our profit also. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 301.64 310.89 too complicated too expensive a because I think I believe that technology is useful only if uh the consumers they want to use it. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 321.29 323.45 So we have to take care of this fact also. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 290.87 296.57 Because mostly it has been found that fifty percent of the users they use only ten percent of the buttons 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 296.57 301.64 so there is no point of having ninety percent buttons making the remote controls too bulky 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 310.89 313.83 Otherwise there is no point of having all this type of things. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 324.55 324.86 Then. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 326.39 328.41 Uh it was function I want to go to. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 328.36 329.15 Oh you wanna go back? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 329.15 330.43 Just escape. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 333.37 342.09 Then if we look at this slide, uh these are in your shared documents, you can see, like 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 330.39 333.37 Uh, escape, okay thank you. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 336.94 337.24 Okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 340.45 341.55 Okay. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 342.85 344.08 Uh, sorry. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 342.87 346.25 So, sorry I was just gonna say, what was the question for this? 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 346.25 347.39 Or is are you coming on to that? 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 348.84 354.46 Ah t look all the market potential, what uh how we should design consu our remote controls,
ES2005b H01 MEO020 360.28 367.76 Yeah, these are different age group persons like uh sorry, I can open it in another way. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 354.46 360.28 what they should be there so as to en enhance our profit, enhance our sales. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 351.27 351.57 Okay. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 358.47 360.91 So these percentages are are what? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 370.03 372.37 Speech recognition. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 369.05 370.03 Okay. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 388.86 391.21 like for speech recognition in a remote control. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 380.6 388.86 we can find that they up to a thirty five years age group we have a very good disliking for this uh this uh point 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 369.74 371.74 Uh, yes. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 371.74 380.6 If we look at the costs whether the consumers they are willing to uh pay more for speech recognition in a remote control or not 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 394.43 401.8 because it will definitely enhance our sales in this ag in this particular age group from uh fifteen to thirty five 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 391.48 394.43 So we can emphasise on this point also like 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 408.44 410.2 So we should look 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 401.8 408.44 and I uh and I think that most of the users of the rem uh T. V. are belong to this age group. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 397.73 398.04 Hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 409.34 412.28 We're als we we're looking at who buys it as well. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 408.34 409.34 Hmm. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 412.63 416.95 We can look at that that factor also, so yes. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 411.92 412.63 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 416.27 420.56 Uh, which I think the twenty five to thirty five is uh usual, sort of. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 420.56 421.54 Mm, mm. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 420.77 421.67 Yeah. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 421.67 424.22 So, and 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 427.63 429.13 And then 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 428.8 429.45 Fifteen to twe 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 432.8 433.56 Yes. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 434.61 435.82 I think so. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 445.66 452.65 They find that thirt uh thirty five percent uh thirty four percent of the consumers they find too difficult to operate a remote control. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 435.82 445.66 Uh if we look at this data how how uh h how what are the problems the consumers are facing with the existing remote controls in the market. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 452.65 466.31 So it should be in such a way that it should be easy to learn how to operate these remote controls and we should provide pl uh spe uh proper manuals for its use also so as that people consumers could easily learn. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 480.28 482.21 So um this is all about 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 466.56 472.7 They need not to have any, much technical knowledge to see uh to know how to operate these remote controls. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 472.7 480.28 So this is also a very goo uh major factor to loo uh take into consideration to enhance our profits and sales. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 469.26 469.57 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 480.43 481.95 Okay. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 483.7 486.33 uh market potential by me. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 486.33 488.95 Uh, yes, th thank you. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 485.75 486.08 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 498.59 499.29 Fun and games. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 489.34 492.23 Um, follow on with Helen? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 495.87 498.59 Oh, so we do yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 492.23 495.87 Yeah please. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 487.7 489.34 Okay, thank you. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 492.36 494.81 Yep, sure, that's cool, um 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 494.81 496.75 Yeah we have to take that out. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 496.75 497.42 Sorry. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 496.26 496.91 Yeah. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 500.78 501.1 Sorry. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 504.01 507.3 I think I just kicked over whatever it runs on underneath as well. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 501.16 504.01 Don't know if the cable's gonna be long enough. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 503.49 505.6 Uh sorry, I have. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 507.46 508.66 Brian, this one also I. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 508.66 509.53 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 508.96 509.49 Okay. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 511.09 514.49 I can turn my computer quickly if that's okay. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 511.17 512.2 Thank you very much Brian. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 514.33 516.64 If you want me to help, yeah. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 515.51 517.1 Um, yep. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 523.87 524.14 Yeah. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 524.36 525.78 Okay, and then what do I press, F. eight? 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 525.73 526.69 Uh F. eight. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 526.69 527.73 Function F. eight. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 526.59 527.86 Function F. eight. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 527.94 528.25 Oh right. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 531.23 531.9 Mm s. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 532.26 532.77 Okay, cool. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 533.16 534.26 It's not coming. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 534.26 535.55 Function F. eight, okay. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 533.89 534.12 Oh. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 539.74 540.04 Yeah. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 541.27 542.08 No signal. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 540.79 541.27 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 543.48 544.34 Hmm. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 543.79 544.95 Computer. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 548.09 548.41 There you go. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 548.4 549.69 Computer adjusting, yeah. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 549.86 550.19 Cool. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 549.11 549.86 Okay. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 554.26 557.86 Okay and then how do I press the the big one, to get it on to the big 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 554.41 554.61 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 557.2 558.57 Uh F. five. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 558.47 561.24 F. five and I press that again to get it off as well do I? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 560.84 567.51 Um, F. five and escape'll bring it back and just uh the left button for advancing. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 561.04 561.63 Escape. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 597.73 600.67 Okay, and how do I press n just the next button? 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 568.17 574.23 Okay, so um I'm the interface design designer, User Interface Designer sorry 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 600.67 601.08 The arrow? 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 589.07 597.73 put the fashion in electronics, so obviously we as a company we want to make our products trendy and fashionable, it's a big concern of ours. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 574.23 589.07 uh I'm concerned with um w what effect the apparatus should have on the user and um I'm I'm also I want to point out that our motto,
ES2005b H02 MEE017 600.49 601.92 Uh just a left uh 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 630.6 636.05 And ergonomics, we said um, I don't know I haven't actually been able to do any of this myself,
ES2005b H03 FEE019 603.65 613.34 So um I looked at existing designs and also um the information that Raj gave us was very useful about what people like, what people dislike. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 625.29 630.6 So um what they like and what they find fashionable. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 636.05 640.66 but um maybe that comes up, I don't know. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 602.58 603.65 Okay. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 613.34 625.29 Um and what people fashionable, because we said people between twenty five and thirty five were the main um buyers of of our T. V. I think. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 640.66 642.37 And the findings, well 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 603.38 604.02 left mouse button. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 620.35 621.3 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 625.03 625.34 Okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 630.14 630.3 'Kay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 639.59 641.26 That can come under Arlo as well. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 661.25 661.79 escape? 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 657.96 661.25 I don't know how to get to them, do I press F. five is it? 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 648.63 650.36 That's what people want to do. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 643.69 648.63 the basic that was the basic function to send messages to the television set. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 650.36 657.96 Um, so they need to be included, um, but I've got some pictures here of some leading ones. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 648.79 649.01 Uh. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 659.74 663.59 Uh if you if you escape then you can see your bar. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 676.91 683.24 it's hard to tell from here what they actually do, and they don't look very exciting at all. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 683.24 693.03 Um, personally I prefer this one just because it's looks easier use, it's a bit more sleek with more of this silver stuff,
ES2005b H03 FEE019 664.14 665.9 Oh okay, cool. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 693.03 698.9 um, but there you go, that's what we're up against, and I think we can do much better than that. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 665.9 669.02 I haven't got my glasses on so I hope it's this one. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 669.02 673.49 These are two leading um remote controls at the moment. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 673.49 676.91 You know they're grey, they've I mean this one's got loads of buttons,
ES2005b H02 MEE017 668.04 669.94 Uh okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 673.74 674.13 'Kay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 692.62 693.06 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 697.72 701.56 We hope so. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 698.61 701.87 Of course. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 700.29 700.81 Um 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 701.97 702.7 hang on. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 703.97 706.08 F. five, okay, sorry. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 708.37 709.69 Personal preferences. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 709.69 718.13 Um, well I think we need to l I think the ergonomics is quite um important, um 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 717.71 722.85 Yeah, particularly if we've uh there was a bit in Raj's about R. S. I. and things as well. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 722.99 724.27 Uh-huh. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 749.28 757.07 so I think what we can miss out on the buttons we can make up for in design and and how nice it looks. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 724.27 728.12 And um I thought not too edgy and like a box,
ES2005b H03 FEE019 739.12 744.22 Um simple designs, like the last one we just saw, not too many buttons and as Raj pointed out 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 744.22 749.28 only ten percent fifty percent of people only use ten percent of the buttons 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 728.12 739.12 more kind of hand-held more um not as uh computery and or organic, yeah, more organic shape I think. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 723.4 723.6 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 735.13 736.36 Organic. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 748.68 749.03 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 754.08 755.38 Sales,. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 757.24 757.6 Okay. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 758.7 773.03 hand-held and portable I think is portamint is important because T. F. T. have just um released um I think is it a a remote control for presentations or uh and a big seven inch big screen,
ES2005b H03 FEE019 757.78 758.7 Um 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 773.03 775.28 anyway, so um 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 770.8 772.34 Yeah it's like a, yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 775.51 779.22 It's. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 776.59 776.77 Yeah 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 789.6 791.18 so maybe we forget about that. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 776.77 789.6 no seven inches isn't that big but um anyway um so hand-held and portable and uh m I thought about other functions for T. V. but as you pointed out people don't actually want that 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 785 785.56 Right. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 789.76 796.24 And also the company want to keep it stuck to the T. V. for uh to keep down the production time. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 789.81 790.06 Yeah. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 798.53 805.52 And so the last thing I thought w which I quickly mentioned in the other one was maybe a bit of a gimmick to set us apart from other people 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 814.03 821.78 Easy finder with the a whistle function or something, or rechargeable station because it's a pain when you run out of batteries. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 825.45 826.01 Okay? 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 795.41 798.53 It's for one T. V. oh right okay, sure. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 805.52 814.03 like glow-in-the-dark um which does already e exist but it's not very widely used I don't think. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 821.78 825.45 And I think that, yep, that's it. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 803.68 803.97 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 807.96 808.5 Yeah. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 807.2 807.96 Exactly. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 811.33 811.69 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 816.51 816.91 Okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 821.36 821.58 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 824.79 826.34 That's cool. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 825.35 830.66 So uh, I noticed your talk about speech recognition and whistling,
ES2005b H00 MEE018 836.53 839.98 Um, or if is that a function we want in the remote? 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 830.66 836.53 and uh I was just curious to know, have we done any research into how many people can whistle? 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 830.14 830.5 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 840.32 842.76 Um, I haven't been able to 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 845.86 846.82 Ooh. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 840.48 845.18 Um, do you have trouble whistling? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 845.18 845.86 Really? 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 845.89 848.25 Yeah it just I mean it has to be a certain kind of whistle too, right? 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 842.96 845.89 I don't, but I I know a lot of people do right. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 848.4 851.78 Mm-hmm, yeah or some sort of voice 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 849.66 857.34 Well I suppo uh you could y you could have the you could have the basically um instead of a whistle if it's got the voice recognition you could have it just,
ES2005b H02 MEE017 848.55 849.66 Yeah, I suppose that's true. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 857.34 859.86 you know, where are you? 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 858.32 858.93 Yeah. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 868.96 870.51 It beeps back at you or something? 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 858.75 860.41 That's costly though. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 860.41 868.96 Um a much easier thing is just any loud noise like clapping um, shouting, you know, uh and then, what would the response be? 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 859.4 859.98 Yeah. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 863.85 864.11 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 864.21 864.57 Hmm. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 864.83 865.13 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 866.58 867.44 Sounds good. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 871.56 872.48 Yeah, something. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 872.91 873.54 Okay. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 875.68 878.41 Well, uh let me set this up. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 879.75 881.45 So I plug it in, press F. five? 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 882.39 883.27 Function F. five? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 883.3 888.11 Function F. eight for the um the uh 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 885.28 886.05 Or function F. eight? 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 888.89 889.21 Okay. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 889.48 892.82 Oh you need to twiddle the thingamibobsy thing. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 893.2 893.71 Okay. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 893.71 895.92 I think it's uh just to lock it in. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 896.97 898.02 Yeah. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 897.08 897.52 It's got it. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 898.12 898.95 Okay. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 900.3 902.98 Okay. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 904.41 905.17 Um. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 916.79 925.54 and I jotted down some notes as to what are the b needs and uh what kind of novel features we can add to differentiate our product from the others. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 906.56 916.79 So as the Industrial Designer my job is to take an input from you guys, um so it's good you went first 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 914.26 914.51 Alright. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 917.08 918.27 Let's remember that. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 934.11 942.61 and um he also mentioned that uh the current products don't always match users' operating behaviour. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 942.61 947.8 Um, a lot of the buttons aren't used, and uh 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 926.13 934.11 Um so Raj told us that uh consumers are willing to spend more for fancy products 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 948.32 950.2 he mentioned that they're not fun to use. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 951.43 962.63 And uh a novel feature which uh we just brought up was this this automatic speech recognition feature or noise detection feature for when you lose the remote 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 962.63 964.3 there could be a little microphone on it 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 964.3 974.38 and any noise over a certain threshold um it'll pick up as a a distress signal um from you and it'll beep back and say you know oh here I am or something of this sort. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 969.81 970.22 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 973.62 982.89 But sure surely that would have to be um sort of specific rather than above a threshold 'cause if you had a loud movie on you're likely to get it beeping back at you. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 981.18 981.6 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 983.99 985.25 Well maybe you could have a 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 982.02 983.99 Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 983.19 983.57 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 991.72 992.32 Um. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 986.63 991.72 um hmm tha that would be a consideration to take into account yes. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 992.75 995.76 Sorry I didn't mean to derail you there. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 994.31 1001.16 Yeah well tha that's uh for later down the road um, and then as for the user interface it should be trendy,
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1008.44 1013.9 So I took these all into consideration and also I have some limitations from the boss. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1001.16 1008.44 um and not computery, right, so more low tech and not too many buttons. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1007.74 1008.07 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1014.4 1020.23 Right um, and practical limitations which I kinda threw out the window. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1033.39 1038.99 which include, you know, um space craft, coffee makers, and bullet trains 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1022.45 1033.39 And so I did a little research and unfortunately all I had to work on was our uh our corporate archives of the great products we've made before,
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1039.25 1041.93 Ah is that what that is? 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1039.43 1042.04 Or uh or a high speed train. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1042.04 1049.61 Right and having personally worked with all these products uh I have a great deal of experience with uh with industrial design of these. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1048.09 1049.08 Well that's cool. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1049.08 1054.41 If you if you can build space craft you'll have no problem with a remote control, yeah. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1053.01 1053.34 So, 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1051.94 1053.01 Right. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1052.24 1053.28 Yeah sure. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1055.19 1057.14 I figured, just put 'em all together. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1058.01 1065.74 You got a a caffeine powered space shuttle train transport to your T. V., and um 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1066.67 1066.89 Hmm. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1067.7 1071.04 as for the user interface problem, you know, too many buttons. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1071.04 1072.01 Give it one button 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1072.8 1083.92 and and it's a you know, for the the cowboy in all of us I I'm not quite sure what the the function is there but 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1082.95 1084.66 Right okay. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1082.97 1085.43 Well I like that design. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1084.53 1087.8 Yeah it's a g I mean you could have a you know a 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1091.64 1095.42 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1087.8 1091.64 Is that just switches on the speech recognition and it's entirely speech operated, is it? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1095.42 1095.93 Yeah. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1099.91 1102.78 Okay. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1091.98 1095.95 So I think I I missed the budget thing, it was fifty million Euros? 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1091.5 1091.98 Right. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1098.35 1099.91 Right. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1095.95 1098.35 And we gotta sell twenty five of them? 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1098.33 1099.9 Yeah, not a problem. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1099.68 1101.7 Fifty million was uh prof 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1100.09 1109.76 Ah now it's fif fifty million Euros we've gotta uh we've g gotta make profit, so we're making that at twelve and a half Euros a time. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1103.02 1104.03 As a profit. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1104.78 1106.48 Oh okay, so I I mixed those numbers. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1122.56 1128.21 An energy source which'd probably just be uh your regular batteries um, we don't wanna have it 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1108.85 1109.83 Okay. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1116.72 1122.56 you know, um that should be just like uh a tenth of the price maybe or less. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1109.83 1116.72 Well I guess more realistically then, we need a product that's got some kinda nifty outer casing, cheap plastic uh,
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1117.57 1117.9 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1126.28 1127.47 Okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1132.97 1133.29 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1127.47 1130.17 Would it be possible to have the rechargeable idea? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1130.17 1132.97 Is that is that gonna mark up a lot? 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1131.1 1131.56 Uh. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1131.46 1134.03 Or a little base station or something,. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1137.47 1137.81 Yeah. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1133.48 1136.04 Yeah, yeah, we could do that too. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1136.04 1137.47 Um, I hadn't thought of that. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1137.77 1143.26 That might cost more though, 'cause obviously with batteries we don't need to provide, well we provide the first batteries,
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1143.26 1148.8 but it's more, it's that's cheaper to just provide batteries. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1143.65 1144.39 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1146.15 1146.32 Right. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1146.46 1153.45 I mean if you think about these base stations now it's essentially just a a lead with a sort of self connecting brake in it 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1153.45 1156.48 so I don't think it'd up up the price that much. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1151.55 1153.03 A battery in it, kinda. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1154.31 1162.65 Right, so so the unirs the user interface uh the canonical user interface for these would be just a bunch of buttons,
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1162.65 1172.97 but since we're a cutting edge company, we uh of course will have alternatives like uh speech recognition, whistling recognition and rocket power 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1154.68 1155.2 Okay. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1155.87 1157.09 Okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1173.25 1175.83 Okay. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1173.85 1174.64 behind our product. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1175.58 1181.49 Um and lastly the transmission interface is uh, just some engineering thing you don't have to worry about. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1181.85 1183.13 Okay. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1183.22 1188.2 Um so here's you know, a great schematic that my uh apprentice designer gave me. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1189.38 1202.28 Um as you can see the the remote control have parts and those parts look like that and um you know it's got a little operating procedure that looks something like that. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1224.02 1231.58 just um so the user can put in their favourite channels and maybe their preferred volume settings so that when they turn it on it's not blasting. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1203.34 1215.78 And I suppose you all know how it works because we've all used it and we wouldn't be in a company designing remote controls if we didn't know what they were so uh personal preferences,
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1215.78 1224.02 I think uh programmable options which um just require a small amount of memory, uh non volatile memory 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1225.17 1225.5 Mm. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1232.17 1235.26 Mm that's a good idea actually I like the programmable options. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1234.11 1235.3 Yeah, me too. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1235.54 1236.48 Oh okay. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1241.95 1250.61 um more technical uh expenditure of effort and it's also much more likely to not work if if we add these bells and whistles. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1236.48 1241.95 And the uh, the bells and whistles that we mentioned you know, they take more budgeting 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1249.02 1249.67 Right. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1249.05 1249.68 Mm 'kay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1251.68 1253.07 Yeah. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1253.75 1254.25 That's all I got. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1254.23 1256.99 'Kay, thank you very much, um I'll take that back. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1262.58 1263.19 Ooh that's tight. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1270.96 1276.13 it is let's see, I'll find it myself, um 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1264.07 1270.96 Right, also so um a notice I got not very long before the meeting, so didn't manage to forward it on to you,
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1281.84 1289.78 Ta nah. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1283 1285.25 Okay, I don't think we need to screw it in. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1285.25 1287.52 Just push it. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1288.33 1288.49 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1303.08 1306.88 Um, dunno what Oracle would have to say with that but never mind. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1306.88 1313.21 Um it's only for the television, which I'm presuming means it's for a specific television,
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1292.11 1303.08 We had that um to dis-include teletext um because it's become outdated, and everybody uses the internet anyway. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1313.21 1322.88 and um instead of colours and sorta colour options, they want corporate colour and slogan somehow implemented in the new design. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1302.88 1303.15 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1312.17 1312.65 Okay. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1323.28 1324.21 Corporate colour. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1329.17 1330.5 I presume. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1324.42 1329.17 Yellow. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1330.5 1337.03 Um, everything, all their sort of uh you know the uh corporate website and everything's yellow. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1325.52 1326.14 Okay. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1326.16 1327.76 Yellow. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1338.18 1338.53 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1339.75 1346.51 And the logo uh the sort of slogan we put the fa fashion in electronics uh 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1348 1352.2 I don't know exactly how sort of incorpor I mean 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1352.2 1357.19 I guess if you're going for a sort of globular shape you could kind of have it working its way round it or something. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1356.72 1357.13 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1359.09 1361.15 Uh, where am I? 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1359.38 1359.79 Okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1366.52 1371.75 Okay, so, we have to decide on which functions we're going to actually have. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1372.32 1372.57 'Kay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1373.13 1379.13 Uh, now, we had as listed options we had 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1380.99 1388.06 speech recognition potentially, flat screen interface, L. C. D. interface um 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1394.69 1397.56 We'll use the the basic functions for a television. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1397.56 1400.49 No teletext. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1389.61 1394.69 we also want to limit the number of buttons so we'll pretty much take that one as read. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1400.49 1402.45 Um okay hold on. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1392.83 1393.15 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1394.69 1395.08 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1401.67 1405.3 Although the the danger with that is, it could look a bit cheap. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1406.71 1409.23 Not enough buttons you mean? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1409.23 1414.81 So sorta strike a balance between a a few and a or it looks like we're just cutting on the um 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1409.22 1409.55 Well 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1408.23 1409.22 Yeah. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1412.29 1412.59 Mm. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1415.28 1417.8 On the number of buttons, kind of functions and stuff. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1416.6 1421.97 I do however have this from over my head, that they don't want teletext on it. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1420 1420.65 Mm-hmm, okay. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1422.44 1423.04 Okay, cool. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1423.23 1428.97 Uh maybe Raj you could find out what people would think about that, or maybe they'll send 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1429.86 1430.87 About cost. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1446.25 1456.78 So uh I take it your position Arlo is that the bells and whistles we've gotta come up with the a gimmick but not too complicated a gimmick. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1429.87 1442.39 some information about that, about um what people, whether people would require um teletext in a remote teletext option in a remote control. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1456.78 1468.99 Um so I mean a a the sort of inkling I'm getting from little bits of um web chatter that I'm getting sent is that they're quite interested in a T. F. T. display 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1468.99 1470.4 interactive display. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1442.39 1446.25 Okay um. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1470.4 1472.39 However that does sound a bit like the 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1438.09 1438.48 Okay. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1456.34 1456.83 Yeah yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1474.13 1479.2 more complicated design that rav uh sorry Raj um 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1489.42 1494.12 sort of Windows-style drop down menus or whatever, I think maybe that's a bit 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1483.89 1489.42 Although I guess if there's a sort of If you think about standard interfaces that people use already,
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1500.89 1503.45 and if you hit a sort of menu at the top you have 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1482.15 1483.89 said people didn't like. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1494.12 1500.89 going a bit far but you know like in a basic sense that you could have your basic selection of buttons 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1483.44 1484.3 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1490.77 1491.1 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1493.6 1493.98 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1510.68 1517.74 Um glow in the dark, is that sort of with a light inside it or is it sort of glow in the dark material? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1504.99 1510.68 um it goes to a different selection of buttons, so it sorta keeps it simple. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1508.03 1508.24 Yeah. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1509.64 1510.04 Okay. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1516.47 1517.01 Um 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1518 1518.44 Uh. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1518.09 1520.61 Glow in the dark material I was thinking. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1520.61 1524.05 Um, so I I guess that would be cheaper than a light I think. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1520.36 1520.73 So 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1519.33 1520.36 Okay. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1520.97 1521.48 I 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1537.27 1538.54 in the room. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1538.54 1544.12 But yeah are lost and means they forget where they have kept the remote control last time. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1525.18 1537.27 Uh actually I think it's really really very important point uh as if we look at the market because people mor fifty percent people they find that the remote controls are often lost somewhere in the remote 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1523.09 1525.18 Uh may I say something about? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1523.3 1523.58 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1524.52 1524.71 Yeah. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1538.55 1540.42 Often lost s was that, yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1539.58 1540.53 Lost, yeah. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1544.24 1544.56 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1552.19 1560.05 like if they come and speak something at the remote control uh replies to something something and it glows in the dark. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1560.05 1566.23 Both these factors uh both these points will help them to locate the where they have kept this remote control,
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1544.34 1552.19 But if we add speech recognition as well as glow in the dark then both these factors will help their locating the remote control 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1566.23 1573.41 and this will definitely enhance our uh market sales, so we should take it into consideration also. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1550.76 1551.08 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1564.02 1564.47 That's cool. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1564.71 1566 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1566.14 1566.71 That's cool. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1573.21 1574.45 Okay, cool. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1574.45 1575.14 Um 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1574.52 1576.03 Well hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1576.26 1578.38 speech recognition I take it 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1579.49 1580.08 Oh it's 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1579.64 1585.76 I don't, I've I know of no products um that use speech recognition well. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1589.62 1596.69 You could programme it with your channels and then you say you know like uh B. B. C. one and it goes to that channel. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1600.02 1604.19 They mentioned you know if the television says you are listening to B. B. C. one. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1583.52 1589.62 They're act there there was a remote control that came out two years ago that had a some basic speech recognition on it. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1596.69 1600.02 Yeah, it didn't work very well though because of this noise interference problem. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1595.83 1596.43 Really? 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1599.6 1599.98 Mm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1599.88 1600.08 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1603.49 1608.64 Yeah, or a yeah an advert an advert for B. B. C. two on B. B. C. one'll switch the channel for you kinda thing. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1616.83 1620.03 but if you can work around that that noise problem 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1610.34 1616.83 you'd be watching the T. V. and then all of a sudden it'd it'd pick up a noise and turn it off or you know or turn the volume off or something 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1608.8 1610.34 Right, right, and so there was a lot of this 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1614.96 1615.29 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1615.04 1615.4 Mm. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1616.73 1617.3 'Kay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1620.26 1620.59 Uh-huh. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1641.55 1642.48 If you find if y 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1623.44 1641.55 but what about um something that's built into the T. V. um that you can press and it'll send out a little signal you know like the ones that we can't hear or something um that that will activate the remote control starts to beep. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1620.61 1623.44 Well what about this might get a bit too expensive actually 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1635.54 1636.67 Ah, that's a good idea. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1640.47 1640.75 Right. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1640.95 1644.71 So like a kind of backwards remote from the telly. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1649.31 1654.75 What you could do then would be you have uh a remote controlled by the T. V. speaker,
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1643.87 1649.31 Right and then it would do just you know, uh subtractive kind of cancellation of the noise. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1654.75 1659.49 or not a remo I'm sorry, a microphone by the T. V. speaker and a transmitter there that sends back to your remote 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1659.49 1665.83 'cause you can't um expect uh the the television manufacturers to to put that feature into their T. V. s. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1643.94 1644.3 Yeah. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1663.76 1665.05 Mm. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1665.05 1666.97 Yeah, that's the only thing, yeah. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1666.67 1670.79 But yeah, then you have like the little se separate module by the T. V. speaker 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1666.77 1667.01 Right. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1669.79 1671.36 That we should just stick on, yeah. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1673.42 1673.79 Yeah. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1671.4 1673.42 That comes with our remote control. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1671.51 1671.88 which 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1673.01 1677.13 Right, and then the remote control would know um what's being produced by the television. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1673.22 1673.62 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1675.45 1681.07 And that's a sort of basic R. F. kind of frequency so it'll be cheap. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1678.56 1679.15 Right, right. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1679.04 1679.31 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1682.47 1683.73 Um. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1692.49 1695.77 You just say you know, um whatever you whatever you want the remote for 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1695.77 1699.99 you know to change the channel or to uh turn the T. V. on and off,
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1683.73 1688.72 Yeah that's certainly possible then an another thing was about this losing the remote and trying to find it again. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1706.03 1710.56 And uh you know it could be somewhere in the room y that you've no idea where it is and it would still do its job. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1699.99 1706.03 you just shout your command to it and it would do it for you if it's within you know, within hearing range. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1688.72 1692.49 If you do have this sorta speech interface to it, you don't even need to find it. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1681.57 1682.47 Right, right. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1705.72 1706.09 Uh-huh. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1710.71 1714.6 That could also be built into the T. V. though, which might make our remote control a bit obsolete. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1719.85 1720.62 Um 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1713.93 1716.23 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1716.23 1719.85 It might do us out of a job. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1715.51 1719.87 Well, hopefully we're uh we're ahead of the curve. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1717.72 1719.01 Yeah, okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1747.44 1758.66 So I think if we're going to go well I mean like the thing about the there's the problem with the T. F. T. or the L. C. D. kind of thing is if you're also wanting the the kind of 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1733.72 1744.88 Um so I think rather than and that also kind of takes out the speech recognition in terms of the interference of it not working very well and things like that 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1744.88 1747.44 so I th yeah and expense and the time. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1722.56 1727.75 Okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1727.75 1733.72 I like the whole sort of remote feedback thing. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1741.13 1741.56 Mm. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1744.12 1744.35 Hmm. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1744.64 1745.51 And the expense. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1746.05 1746.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1759.73 1763.56 uh organic globby sort of feeling to it then 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1765 1766.83 you might have trouble incorporating the screen. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1767.61 1768.05 Mm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1768.52 1773.54 Um, but I guess not I thin we'll just we'll just pretend that's not a problem. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1773.54 1779.23 Um uh and how are you about the glow in the dark material? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1779.23 1779.55 Is that 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1780.19 1780.78 Um. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1781.12 1791.55 Maybe not even all of it 'cause we said um colours and fashion w were important so maybe um just like a little l line that's kind of around the outside and then you can make the rest a different colour. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1789.35 1789.68 Mm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1790.96 1792.55 Contrast contra well. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1791.8 1799.22 Yeah, no th the material's cheap but it's just uh the the glow in the dark material needs some light to charge it you know,
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1799.22 1804.01 and then uh if you're, if you're sitting in the dark for too long it uh it won't glow any more. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1798.9 1799.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1799.28 1799.99 Yeah, okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1807.7 1809.55 Um 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1801.03 1803.53 So if it's dow it's d uh yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1803.53 1807.7 Or if it's down under the couch cushions um which is where I usually find mine. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1805.41 1805.58 Right. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1807.13 1807.42 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1807.65 1808.39 Right. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1815.26 1821.45 um if we're gonna have to if we're gonna have the logo on as well, bright yellow logo in our our um 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1811.17 1815.26 Okay, well we can use we can still use the glow in the dark as a gimmick essentially,
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1814.45 1816.48 Yeah, 'cause what I thought, main 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1825.54 1829.96 Uh then you know they're gonna be fairly brightly coloured anyway,
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1824.1 1825.54 slogan. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1829.96 1837.29 and we can have sort of a a a trimming as well, of the glow in the dark material, just as gimmickyness. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1824.38 1825.12 Slogan, yeah. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1830.07 1830.42 Right. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1833.62 1833.85 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1835.19 1838.29 'Cause yeah, that w more than finding it,
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1838.29 1844.33 that was more like you know if you're watching a film in the dark, you can um still see the remote control. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1841.07 1841.39 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1842.31 1842.82 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1844.54 1854.36 Alright, so n sorta if if if we're gon if we're gonna go with the idea of um uh of feedback,
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1854.36 1858.84 sort of remote finder, then that kinda stuffs that one out then. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1845.6 1847.56 That was more of a a gimmick. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1859.94 1860.25 Do you think? 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1861.33 1862.51 Mm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1879.29 1887.07 Well I mean I think I think the sort of find the finder things I mean it's uh I could probably write the circuit diagram for that myself. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1869.55 1879.29 Uh so we've got do we want to go with the T. F. T. idea or the is that far too expensive? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1887.07 1887.98 Um 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1862.09 1864.18 Uh it makes it fairly unnecessary then. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1864.18 1865.77 Okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1865.77 1869.55 Um, okay so scratch that. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1864.7 1865.01 Yeah. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1863.68 1864.7 Yeah, unnecessary. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1874.78 1879.37 Um yeah we're getting a lot of features now, I I think 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1886.76 1887.12 Yeah. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1894.29 1898.94 there's a good chance the the T. F. T. screen would break or uh get damaged. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1888.52 1894.29 Well, I think a consideration too is that these uh remotes get abused a lot, you know they get thrown around 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1898.94 1899.89 They're pretty fragile. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1893.31 1893.89 Mm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1897.18 1897.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1899.95 1904.74 So is that one of our definite requirements that they wa that it needs a T. F. T. screen? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1900.24 1900.82 Okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1904.17 1911.77 Um no, I mean that was going on ravs uh Raj's sort of um marketing research I guess. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1911.77 1914.01 Um 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1915.77 1916.22 Uh 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1918.15 1923.49 So we'll stick with sort of programmability um for the buttons that we do have. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1924.63 1929.57 Um. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1931.51 1932.23 So that's sort of 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1933.48 1936.67 included in your sub-module kind of stuff, um 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1936.48 1936.96 Yeah mm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1942 1945.76 Uh you were finding out about teletext. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1945.76 1949.24 If you could find out that uh 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1946.21 1946.41 Yeah. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1949.22 1953.01 Totally, it takes cheap speech recognition, she they wi 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1951.67 1956.18 Um I think we're gonna scratch the speech recognition as a bit of a 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1956.1 1956.22 Oh. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1957.27 1959.63 um expensive, no? 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1957.29 1958.08 Yeah you think so? 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1959.73 1965.2 Oh no it's it's much cheaper than the T. F. T., it's just a microphone and some some integrated circuits. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1962.76 1963.41 Oh right, okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1965.97 1967.9 Is it not the circuits that cost 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1966.2 1969.84 And it'd it'd be a small vocabulary speech recognition system, like a 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1978.8 1979.7 Um. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1972.18 1978.8 Uh well that kind of takes back the R. F. the R. F. remote sort of idea as well. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1969.81 1972.18 Oh right, okay. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1972.28 1972.65 Okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1986.91 1988.65 Uh, votes, let's vote. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1988.65 1989.8 Who wants T. F. T. ? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1981.28 1983.99 Five minutes. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1985.49 1986.91 Decisions. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1983.99 1985.49 Okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1992.16 1996.2 Excellent, so we'll go with speech recognition, yeah? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1991.26 1992.16 No-one does. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 1996.2 2000.64 Um, speech recognition, limited buttons, organic design. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 1995.4 1995.66 Yeah. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 1995.41 1996.52 Mm-hmm, that's cool. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 1995.86 1996.97 Okay. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2003.11 2003.34 Um 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2003.32 2007.85 And what else was I thinking of that I haven't written down and therefore fallen out my head, programmability. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 2012.07 2013.02 Glow in dark. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2014.23 2014.86 Uh 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2014.88 2017.18 if it's not too expensive s I think it's a good gimmick. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2015.89 2018.06 Uh o okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2018.06 2022.58 And also, integrating the, remember to integrate the logo and the s slogan. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2017.46 2018.8 Yeah. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2022.8 2023.28 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2023.99 2026.81 Okay, so. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2031.98 2035.49 So, it just helps me summarize them. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2035.49 2041.4 And um I'll put any I'm I'm putting anything I do in there anyway, so uh 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2026.81 2031.98 Um can you put all these reports in the project documents folder if they're not already in there as well. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2033.21 2034.1 Yeah yeah. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 2034.17 2034.68 Sure. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 2033.23 2034.17 Here? 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2042.26 2043.44 And where is it sorry? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2043.43 2045.29 Uh pro uh project documents. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2046.71 2047.26 On 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2046.73 2049.65 So it should be when you save 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2049.28 2050.71 A. M. I. scenario controller. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2051.19 2054.14 on your desktop, so it goes save as, or 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2053.46 2054.23 Oh. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 2054.35 2056.03 Uh it is in shared documents? 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2056.12 2060.32 And then uh hit that little folder up thing again. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2061.25 2063.42 Project documents, yeah, it's on your desktop as well. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2059.76 2061.25 Where am I? 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 2060.89 2061.86 Projoct uh projector. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2061.63 2062.11 Again. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2063.03 2066.21 All the way to the top, yeah that's up to desktop. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2068.59 2070.75 Right and then project documents. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2070.61 2071.37 Okay, cool. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 2071.8 2072.92 Hmm. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 2072.92 2074.94 It is not giving anything. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 2076.13 2078.32 Shared documents. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2092.56 2094.64 and then the meeting turned up, so 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2088 2092.56 as soon as I get them now, rather than I was about to sort of tell you about the changes before the meeting,
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2078.76 2088 And I will tr getting strings of um information, I'll try and forward any specific to anybody in particular,
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2095.83 2096.13 Okay. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2097.03 2098.05 Did you get my email? 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2096.5 2097.03 Mm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2098.79 2101.79 I did. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2099.28 2099.55 Okay. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2100.61 2101.42 Just making sure. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2111.96 2112.37 Okay. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2119.17 2127.63 but maybe more like um this kind of rubbery material, it's a bit more bouncy, like you said they get chucked around a lot. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2113.88 2119.17 What I thought as well about the material is um maybe not this kind of material,
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2127.63 2138.19 Um, a bit more durable and that can also be ergonomic and it kind of feels a bit different from all the other remote controls. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2138.19 2139.94 The rubber rather than 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2114.21 2115.02 So 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2131.85 2131.98 Okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2134.91 2135.96 Yeah. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2138.6 2138.83 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2139.41 2140.54 More sort of um 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2142.53 2144.32 flesh-like than plasticky sort of. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2144.5 2145.42 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2146.94 2147.34 Wow. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 2147.52 2149.57 Um but we have to take care like 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 2160.21 2164.12 So, whatever material we use it should be yeah. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 2151.15 2160.21 But we have to take care of our children also if they means if children catch hold of your or if they chew it it shouldn't be too harmful. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2162.48 2165.57 Oh no, ethics, that's gonna cost us money. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 2165.54 2169.61 So we have to safety point of view also, we have to take care. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2168.62 2169.52 Okay, safety. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2177.39 2180.33 so that's something good, um 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2169.96 2177.39 Oh I think wi with the more organic shape of it it won't be as it won't as have many sharp corners as that,
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2178.69 2179.01 Yeah. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2182.13 2183.12 I dunno, I mean 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2182.66 2185.78 It sme smells good for children. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2184.98 2189.73 We could go completely out of the box and make the thing a big red ball foam ball. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2182.67 2184.98 We could go comp yeah. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 2184.82 2185.05 Yeah. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2190.21 2192.37 And it's got the thing on the inside. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2192.37 2196.67 And there's no buttons at all, it's always on, and just yell at it, and it works. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2198.54 2199.4 Interesting. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2196.03 2198.54 That's a good idea. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2196.18 2203.39 That sounds, yeah it's gonna have to be it's gonna be have a big yellow foam ball, yeah, sorry. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2197.92 2200.12 And then ch children will love it. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2201.6 2203.02 Oh yellow, yellow ball. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2203.02 2203.42 Right. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2202.28 2207.57 Yeah, d with the colour, um does it have to be all yellow, do you know? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2208.94 2210.07 Um. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2207.42 2208.94 Please God no. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2210.07 2217.36 Well, I wouldn't th I mean, my reaction to an all-yellow remote control wouldn't be anything other than horror, so I think just having it 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2208.98 2209.46 No. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2216.26 2216.73 Yeah. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 2217.94 2224.28 Small logo with the like a small yellow strip or y yellow with the logo in it. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2218.03 2219.73 Having a little bit. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2219.73 2220.37 Okay cool. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2218.25 2219.48 surrounding the logo. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2222.94 2223.86 Mm mm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2224.34 2224.57 Yeah. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2224.55 2225.92 Mm-hmm, okay. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2227.59 2227.94 Cool. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2231.91 2234.76 We put we put fashion into 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2227.92 2231.91 And I'll see if I can argue with boss about putting the what was it? 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2236.69 2237.98 Whoops, it's not working. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2239.71 2241.12 Can't believe I've forgotten it. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2243.21 2248.64 I bet that'll catch on well. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2248.64 2249.85 Okay, any last 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2241.12 2243.21 We put the fashion in electronics. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2244.56 2245.54 Yeah so. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2242.88 2244.56 Oh yeah, that's a good one that. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 2250.52 2250.92 Yeah. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2251.38 2252.46 worries, queries? 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2251.85 2253.33 Twelve thirty. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2255.63 2262.58 S s I know what you're thinking. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2254.15 2255.63 Okay. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2262.58 2264.07 Okay then, lunchtime, yay. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 2257.34 2257.51 Hmm. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 2265.65 2266.44 That's good. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2267.48 2273.48 Okay, that felt a bit more like a something with order and and reason to it than the last one. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2276.17 2277.14 This is quite fun actually. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2282.39 2284.17 It's pretty cool. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2278.84 2280.05 Has anybo oh. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2280.05 2282.39 Has anybody pressed okay, it vibrates. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2277.16 2278.84 Wow. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2278.23 2278.46 Mm. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2279.92 2280.65 I really don't 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2285.21 2286.56 Wow you've your first page. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2286.56 2290.58 I was just writing really big. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2283.08 2285.21 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2283.69 2284.15 Yep. 
ES2005b H01 MEO020 2284.75 2285.44 Check here. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2286.82 2288.62 Yeah, got small writing. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2287.05 2290.75 Yeah I've been using up the pages. 
ES2005b H03 FEE019 2291.67 2292.83 I don't wanna waste it. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2293.15 2294.46 I've finished the meeting now. 
ES2005b H00 MEE018 2296.04 2298.19 Another questionnaire. 
ES2005b H02 MEE017 2296.37 2298.89 Oh, everybody needs k questionnaire. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 41.86 45.14 Um I have 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 32.22 37.02 Um we are So the meeting will have about the same format as the last time. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 37.02 41.86 So switching over I've just left uh my first two screens. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 39.92 40.29 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 52.97 58.5 Um and is there any questions you have that arised from last meeting that 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 46 52.97 mailed you the minutes of the last meeting uh just to save time. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 51.36 51.97 Okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 51.97 52.77 Cool. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 60.77 61.84 are particularly bothering you? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 65.05 66.08 No, I don't think so. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 63.15 65.05 Mm um. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 63.62 64.13 N 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 67.78 71.54 Then we shall start with a presentation from Raj. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 66.31 67.78 Okay, cool. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 66.05 66.31 No? 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 67.54 67.76 No. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 71.64 72.04 Yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 89.49 91.48 So we have to look on this. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 78.7 89.49 Uh in this meeting I I'm going to discuss about the trend watching, uh how these trends is going to affect our market potential and how important is this. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 73.88 78.7 Hi, me Raj, again. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 92.92 94.67 First of all methodology. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 94.67 104.75 The met methodology to find out the trend was incl uh was done in a way We have done a rec not only a recent remote control market survey,
ES2005c H01 MEO020 104.75 113.39 but we also considered the latest fre fashion trends of the market, because we think that this is also a factor which will affect our sales and profit. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 158.91 169.13 So this factor becomes the most important factor in our surv uh uh in our mark uh means in take in designing our rem uh remote controls. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 115.25 117.58 So what are our findings? 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 153.18 158.91 the second factor which is further ti twice the as important as the sec as uh the third factor. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 144.46 153.18 So we should take into uh we should consider this factor as the most important factor, because this factor is twice as important 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 134.49 138.22 rather than having a functional look and feel uh good. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 117.58 134.49 In our uh in our findings we have seen that when we did our remote control market survey we found that uh people l uh people do have preference for tho fancy mobi uh f remote controls which look and feel very good 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 138.22 144.46 So this sh this clearly indicates their preference for the design their outlook of the remote controls. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 171.62 172.26 Oh, sorry. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 169.43 171.62 The last one is the most important one, is it? 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 208.55 212.56 So that indicates our technological advancement. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 177.79 186.85 the fancy design uh rather than just having a functional look and feel good, it should have a fancy look and foo feel good. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 171.16 177.79 No the first one is the uh the outlook of the mobile, the it should have a fancy outlook,
ES2005c H01 MEO020 186.85 192.71 The second most important aspect is that remote control should be a technologically uh innovative. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 192.71 201.36 We must have some technological advancement in the remote control tha rather than just putting it as it is as the other remo uh remote controls are. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 201.36 208.55 So it uh should be technologically innovative like glow-in-the-dark or speech recognition, something like that. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 177.27 177.67 Okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 179.2 180.31 Okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 212.38 212.98 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 212.63 221.09 And the third most important aspect in the ta to take into consideration is that it should be easy to use,
ES2005c H01 MEO020 238.57 242.4 So that they could know how to use these remote controls. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 221.09 227.07 like it shouldn't be too much co complicated, there shouldn't be too many buttons on this mobi uh remote control 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 231.04 238.57 And it should be uh and customers should be provided with manuals that is easy to understand in their local language, something. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 227.07 231.04 it shouldn't be too complicated uh like this way. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 220.89 221.13 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 245.07 251.64 When we did uh f fashions uh, recent fashion uh our recent fashion update shows that 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 251.72 254.52 Sorry. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 257.29 259.56 Hard to know how we are going to incorporate that. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 254.52 257.29 I was just reading fruit and vegetables. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 254.35 257.42 Ah yeah? 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 269.54 279.45 because the g world is now changing it's trend towards organic, becoming more and more organic, becoming Yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 279.45 282.7 So Yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 282.7 285.52 So something like that we we should do. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 259.33 269.54 Y yeah uh yeah, we have to, because uh d you can see how people have related their clothes, shoes, and everything with fruits and vegetables,
ES2005c H03 FEE019 273.6 274.51 Okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 274.51 274.98 Yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 279.77 281.11 It's Yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 275.82 279.77 We should make a big sponge lemon, and then it'd be it would be yellow. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 277.57 279.72 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 279.72 282.18 Th that's very good. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 283.14 284.08 Glow-in-the-dark. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 286.1 286.7 Okay. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 287.01 295.7 And people uh the f feel of the material is expected to be spongy rather than just having a plastic look, hard look. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 302.7 306.39 So that should also be taken into consideration. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 308.31 308.81 So 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 306.39 308.31 So these are my views. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 296.62 297.73 Yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 295.7 296.62 Yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 297.73 302.7 So so that they could play with it while handi uh while handling it. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 295.49 298.44 That's what we kind of predicted anyway. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 294.83 295.49 Well, that's good. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 295.14 296.47 Mm. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 302.38 302.77 Okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 304.45 304.88 Okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 306.47 306.87 Okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 308.2 311.17 Okay, the spongy, not real spongy 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 311.17 316.56 you can Do you think like rubber would be good or does it really want to be like gel kind of stuff? 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 321.94 330.64 'Cause we It shouldn't be have any harm to the environment also, because our company is very well for taking all these concerns into consideration,
ES2005c H01 MEO020 330.64 335.88 so we don't want to have any harm to the society, so 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 311.83 321.94 No it ca y a The rubber which is good for health and which is quite disposable that we can take into co Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 320.33 321.73 Quite disposable. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 321.73 322.2 Okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 319.68 320.33 Okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 325.08 325.95 Oh okay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 325.43 325.97 Alright, okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 330.54 331.07 Uh-huh. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 333.92 334.45 Okay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 336.05 336.29 Fashion. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 339.16 339.51 Cool. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 339.17 342.29 Mm 'kay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 342.29 345.14 Fruit and veg, well there you go. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 345.14 352.39 Just what I think of when I think of a remote control. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 340.45 345.53 So that's all. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 347.07 348.54 A remote control? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 345.81 347.07 Mm. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 348.54 348.99 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 355.27 360.87 And were there any factors that weren't important in the survey, that they said we don't want? 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 361.08 365.69 S uh we didn't find out any such point. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 365.69 371.5 Uh yes, there could be, but we couldn't find out any, so 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 362.48 365.04 Or was it just Okay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 366.27 366.95 Mm-mm-mm-mm. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 369.75 370.16 Cool. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 375.14 375.61 Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 376.8 378.8 F., what is it? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 378.8 379.32 Um. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 379.7 380.39 Function F. eight. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 383.69 384.67 yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 385.68 385.82 Hmm. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 386.88 387.47 Okay. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 388.33 389.86 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 393.47 394.01 No signal. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 393.76 395.63 Oh no,. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 398.63 399.55 Is that? 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 399.82 401.43 No, it's got it's got it. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 404.15 407.28 Yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 399.97 404.15 Yeah, uh yeah, uh yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 404.02 406.23 Excuse me. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 404.98 406.81 Okay, and then F. five, right? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 408.16 409.83 Uh, yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 410.32 410.93 Um 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 409.33 410.32 Okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 412.02 416.01 okay, so the interface concept um. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 418.69 425.85 The interface specification, what people um how they interact with it basically, I think. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 431.21 436.31 what's bad about them, um I looked at their flaws, so we're going to look at their flaws, everything. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 425.85 431.21 Um so the method, we looked at existing designs, what are the what's good about them,
ES2005c H03 FEE019 449.43 449.96 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 445.48 449.43 Uh the findings, I've got some pictures to show you as well. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 417.74 418.69 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 436.31 445.48 Um and what the survey told us and what we think would be good, so a bit of imagination. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 444.62 445.06 Mm 'kay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 446.2 450.57 either. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 449.78 449.96 Hmm. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 473.58 483.41 but I think standard kind of um shape and uh play and those kind of but buttons like the the top right for on and off or something,
ES2005c H03 FEE019 453.5 462.87 where you um have got s buttons and you point it rather than having the output as a a stream of text or something. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 467.64 473.58 So I think for our remote control There is some inconsistency already in ec existing in between remote controls 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 483.41 486.21 I think, people find that important,'cause then it's easy to use. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 462.87 467.64 Um and we also found that there's inconsistent layout, which makes it confusing. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 450.92 453.5 Okay, so most remote controls use graphical interface 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 462.03 462.51 Uh okay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 483.73 484.51 Right, okay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 484.51 484.84 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 494.26 495.01 Or just 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 487.43 491.78 And we've got some pictures of some uh new remote controls to show you. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 491.78 494.26 Do I press Escape F. five? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 491.81 492.5 Excellent. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 494.1 495.01 Uh no just escape 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 495.8 496.62 Escape, okay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 495.87 497.19 should uh 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 502.46 508.08 So these are the some of the pictures of existing ones. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 508.08 509.83 I'll just walk you through them. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 516.78 526.22 There's um an L. C. D. thing, which we thought could I thought could get a bit confusing and a bit expensive as well for us. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 497.8 501.35 Um, oh I still haven't got my glasses on. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 509.83 513.59 This one is a voice recognition. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 526.22 533.98 This one is got a kind of scroll like a mouse, which Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 501.35 502.46 Yeah, okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 533.98 540.3 Um and But I'm not exactly sure how you'd use that, like would the computer come 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 513.59 516.78 And that's the kind of idea we're going for. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 507.83 508.31 Wow. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 513.71 513.92 'Kay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 515.4 516.76 Looks pretty complicated. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 524.76 525.35 Right, okay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 530.54 532.32 Mm-hmm, like the middle button. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 533.4 533.73 Okay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 552.46 553.14 Right, okay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 541.39 544.51 if I s if I'm thinking of the right one, I've got the same thing in front of my monitor,
ES2005c H02 MEE017 544.51 552.46 you scroll it and the when you reach the sort of um menu item that you require, you press the middle of the scroll. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 538.45 541.39 Ah it's kinda like scrolling uh right, well,
ES2005c H03 FEE019 553.16 557.1 But the one below that has got like a little scroll function on the side. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 550.47 553.16 Uh-huh, that's like the L. C. D. one, is it? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 557.1 560.79 But I presume that the functions must come up on the T. V. screen. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 561.32 562.62 Yeah, presumably. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 561.74 562.6 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 563.48 564.99 So these are just a few ideas. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 561.96 563.48 I think that's what that is. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 564.99 570.38 Again that's just quite boring shape, grey, looks quite space-agey, but too many buttons, I think on that one. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 569.72 574.86 Yeah, looks like uh looks like something out of a jet. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 569.9 570.86 Uh it looks threatening. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 571.48 573.97 Yeah, it does look kind of dangerous. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 573.23 575.19 It looks like yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 574.63 574.83 Hmm. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 574.63 576.54 Um this one I thought was really cool. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 579.62 587.42 You can put it in there, it's for your kids, and it's quite an organic shape and the little circle around there is pretty cool. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 587.42 592.78 And that's really easy to use, bright, so I like this one lot for our design. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 576.54 579.62 It's w it's got the programmability function that we talked about. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 595.17 596.19 Of course yellow. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 592.78 595.17 I think something like that would be good. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 587.12 587.52 Okay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 594.84 595.14 Wow. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 594.89 603.83 Yeah, I m I mean the one thing I think about about these ones is um these kl uh secured areas um 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 603.83 608.22 I've seen a lot of them with the the cover missing. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 608.22 610.99 So like have it hinge rather than sort of clip on or whatever. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 608 608.51 Right, yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 624.04 627.04 I don't think that will sell very well. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 611.28 612.58 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 612.58 618.57 Um so maybe that could be built into one of the things and it comes up on the T. V. or something. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 610.12 611.28 Yeah, that's true. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 618.57 624.04 And this one, the over-sized one, I don't know about you, but I think it's a bit too gimmicky. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 622.08 625.73 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 625.73 629.87 I mean is that not sort of to assist the blind or something, is it? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 629.02 630.8 I guess so. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 630.8 631.91 I don't know. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 631.91 633.17 I think that's a bit 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 632.16 633.6 Strange. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 632.25 636.62 Then d blind don't watch T. V. . 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 636.62 638.82 They do? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 654.91 657.31 So that could that's a bit confusing. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 643.12 647.75 I like some of these things um the the raised symbols and everything,
ES2005c H03 FEE019 633.65 637.47 Yeah exactly. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 647.75 654.91 but pointing out um that this one the volume it is kind of pressing down, but it would actually go up, because of the shape. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 657.31 665.23 Um but the buttons on this I think are it's just showing you how you can have different different um buttons. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 665.23 667.18 They don't have to be all the same. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 638.72 643.12 And um this one is just pointing out. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 667.18 668.24 So that's quite cool. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 637.47 638.72 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 668.24 669.34 Um. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 636.41 637.35 They listen to it. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 635.3 636.41 No they do, they do. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 637.35 638 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 654.37 655.41 Right, okay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 668.57 673.39 'Kay but people tend to recognise certain shapes to do certain things anyway, don't they? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 674.17 676.3 Um F. five. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 672.68 674.17 Yeah, exactly. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 676.3 676.6 Yes. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 708.29 713.96 record, play machine, and stuff like that, so that's And it's much Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 679.16 694.5 So we need to combine those ones um and I've just got an e-mail from our technical department saying that they have broken through with some new speech recognition software that you can program in. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 697.46 702.54 Um so I think maybe incorporating that in our design would be good. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 678.04 679.16 So there are some of the findings. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 702.54 708.29 It's you program it like you say, record, um and then, play, and then,
ES2005c H03 FEE019 694.5 697.46 Um yeah it is, just in time, very handy. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 692.62 693.02 Brilliant. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 694.16 697.19 That's handy. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 702.91 703.31 Okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 714.69 716.68 So that's quite cool. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 716.68 723.64 Uh personal preferences just some imagination, the raised symbols I thought were good, the L. C. D., it does look smart,
ES2005c H03 FEE019 723.64 730.49 but I think maybe for our budget, do you think that would be a bit too expensive to have the 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 731.14 734.26 The L. C. D. and the other stuff uh, I think. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 732.08 732.56 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 734.21 737.66 And the speech recognition, 'cause I think we're definitely going for the speech recognition, are we? 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 737.64 742.13 But in our market survey we have seen that people are willing to pay more,
ES2005c H01 MEO020 748.93 749.64 Yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 742.13 747.19 but they want the quality, they want f fancy look, they want some new design, something new. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 749.64 761.4 So even if we increase our cost little bit, within uh some limits, and we give something new technological advancement as well as new design with fancy outlook 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 747.19 748.93 Uh yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 761.4 767.82 I think we will meet the requirements and we will be able to have a good sales in the market. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 742.25 742.76 Uh-huh. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 746.4 746.61 Okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 746.74 747.23 Uh-huh. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 747.23 749.65 But our budget, we've Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 747.7 750.53 It's still it's still got to get within our twelve fifty, you know. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 761.01 761.39 Uh-huh. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 766.18 766.67 Okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 767.89 774.89 I'm not sure if the if for twenty five Euros uh per uh twelve Euros fifty m manufacturing cost,. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 768.05 768.5 Okay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 768.56 769.65 Ben bana 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 773.28 773.68 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 775.46 782.08 I can't see tha Although, th I mean to be to be sure they have got I mean they are going crazy with the L. C. D. technology now 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 782.08 785.74 so that you've got your L. C. D. T. V. s and everything so maybe the small 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 777.08 777.98 The L. C. D. . 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 786.36 787.02 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 797.27 799.89 w I ju I mean I wouldn't know about the costs of them. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 791.44 797.27 Um but, I mean, like even mobile phones or whatever have now have colour L. C. D. screens 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 786.42 791.44 But I mean like I I the black and white, I guess, it just doesn't look funky enough. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 791.32 791.72 No. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 797.88 798.16 S 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 797.41 797.88 Yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 797.73 798.19 Hmm. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 801.29 801.6 Uh-huh. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 801.89 808.09 But uh price price not withstanding um, is it too complicated, is it gonna be too much just overload? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 802.05 802.67 Twelve fifty. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 802.22 803.15 And the 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 808.22 812.79 Uh i it will be easy because there will be, on L. C. D. s screen,
ES2005c H01 MEO020 812.79 817.21 there will be different frent icons, they can just click ok okay, whatever they wa 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 808.43 810.06 Possibly. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 808.48 810.34 Yeah, that's the thing, because 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 820.48 826.81 You're looking at the T. V. and and it's uh It just seems kind of like a a needless th 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 815.3 820.48 But but the thing is when you use a remote control, you never look at it, right? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 820 820.34 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 821.01 821.36 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 821.85 822.31 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 821.91 822.64 That's true, yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 840.29 844.25 Child-friendly, I thought this was good, as you pointed out the um 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 831.44 837.54 It's a it's great, it's a good idea, but for our budget and for the thing we're trying to go for eas easy to use,
ES2005c H03 FEE019 837.54 840.29 it's not the thing we should go for, I think. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 825.7 831.44 And one of the survey findings was that they want it easy to use, so I think I'm not sure about the L. C. D. . 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 829.36 829.68 Right. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 845.06 848.97 the bit, it often goes missing especially with children,
ES2005c H03 FEE019 848.97 855.68 but it's a good shape and the organic is kind of we could make a vegetabley kind of round shape, I think. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 854.42 856.59 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 856.59 858.6 Well I mean we could make a Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 862.03 868.72 I think your lemon wasn't that far s And if it doesn't work you know, we've just made a lemon. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 858.6 862.03 Well, si since we're going for the uh the k the sort of company colours,
ES2005c H00 MEE018 858.85 860.6 Okay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 856.16 858.85 So which vegetable? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 857.13 859.33 Yeah, I know, carrot. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 863.32 864.45 The the lemon. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 864.45 865.37 Well what are the options? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 863.97 864.54 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 870.32 871.86 Easy to use, it seems quite easy to use. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 868.49 870.32 Um the child-friendly, yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 866.23 868.49 But we don't want it to be Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 874.49 875.95 I think that's a good idea to go for. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 871.86 874.49 I like the d the different shapes of the buttons and stuff. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 874.74 876.91 I like I like the colourful buttons as well. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 873.85 874.74 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 885.09 885.5 Um. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 876.92 877.49 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 877.49 885.09 And the mouse one, I thought it was a good idea, because people use mo mice mouses now with the scrolling thing. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 884.12 884.44 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 885.48 890.32 I mean we are marketing to sort of twenty five to thirty five, so most people 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 888.63 889.01 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 891.64 894.43 will have come in contact with that kind of use. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 892.94 894.55 S yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 894.55 899.18 So they'd be able to use that um, as I said I think i I'd presume it would come up on the screen. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 899.18 901.13 Um so there you go. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 898.71 899.07 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 900.75 905.64 And that means tha that means you get to bump that bit to the T. V. maker, so 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 904.7 904.89 Yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 906.08 906.3 Oh. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 906.98 909.79 So that's um the user interface 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 910.67 911.14 'Kay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 911.38 911.8 design. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 914.67 916.46 So okay, I'll take this out now then. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 914.68 915.08 Okay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 925.63 927.25 Um so 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 926.53 927.79 There you go. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 928.8 932.72 I guess there are a lot of options that we're gonna have to choose from among, 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 933.54 934.88 Yeah, looks like it. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 934.11 941.56 and I'll I'll give you the uh, I guess, technical considerations for those. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 937.54 937.68 Mm. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 942.75 946.88 Uh 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 949.19 951.38 And I'm gonna use the whiteboard, just 'cause we haven't used it. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 951.51 954.55 Yeah, I was just thinking the self same thing. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 961.8 972.01 uh reuse the the vital kind of um essential pieces of it, and then we'll throw in our new innovations um and keep it all within budget. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 953.33 953.81 Right. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 953.81 961.8 So, the way I'm gonna do this is uh we're gonna take a look at some old remote controls, see how they work,
ES2005c H02 MEE017 972.83 975.21 Magic man. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 979.43 981.31 Um this is what they sent me. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 973.91 979.43 So uh yeah, looking inside a a very simple remote control. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 982.55 984.9 Here's uh the competition, I suppose. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 982.4 982.55 'Kay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 986 992.68 Um you open it up, there's a circuit board inside, um and there's a a chip,
ES2005c H00 MEE018 992.68 999.01 a processor, the T. A. one one eight three five, which um receives input from the buttons, and ch 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 988.72 989.06 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 998.74 1001.23 So this is a standard off the shelf kind of a chip, is it? 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1001.41 1003 Right, it's very they're very cheap remote. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1034.58 1035.07 Oh here it is. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1019.68 1025.5 op-amps, and then that gets sent to the uh to the L. E. D. light,
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1015.62 1019.68 which is made of some transistors and amplifiers,
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1003 1005.63 This remote costs nothing, you know. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1005.63 1015.62 Um so that takes a signals from the buttons and translates it into a sequence of pulses that it then sends to the to the amplifier 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1025.5 1034.58 which I can kinda see is that little red light bulb at the end, and that sends out the infrared uh light signal to the television. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1028.11 1028.4 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1029.19 1029.44 Right. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1036.01 1042.8 Um so this is kind of the the bear essentials that we need to have in our remote control, because it it defines the uh 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1040.98 1042.46 Okay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1042.46 1046.33 So can we make them to pretty much any size we like or is there a minimum or? 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1045.79 1054.31 R Um no, I mean this is a very old one, so now with the new technology this is a a minimally small and cheap thing to make. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1050.86 1051.32 They gotta be 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1052.92 1054.82 Almost a key-ring. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1055.1 1055.58 Right. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1055.58 1057.88 So this is what we need to have for certain. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1058.4 1060.11 Okay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1070.25 1077.73 processor, um we'll probably use the more advanced processor than they had, amplifier and transmitter are all standard. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1060.31 1065.24 So you know, as we said, we got the outer casing, which we have to decide, you know, what's it gonna be 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1077.73 1082.9 Um so for the casing, uh this an e-mail I got from our manufacturing team 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1065.24 1070.25 um the board we have to use basically uh the same set-up,
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1059.03 1060.31 Um. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1084.21 1090.84 uh, you know, we have a bunch of options from wood, titanium, rubber, plastic, whatnot, 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1092.13 1094.7 um latex, double-curved, curved. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1095.89 1097.74 So lots of choices, what do we think? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1096.18 1096.49 'Kay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1099.15 1101.56 Uh or sponge, I guess, isn't on there, right. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1101.56 1103.83 Organic sponge. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1099.32 1099.68 Well. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1102.14 1104.16 I'm not sure about the sponge. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1101.02 1102.14 Mm. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1105.6 1106.26 Um 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1101.57 1105.6 Well, I mean like la latex has a kinda spongy feeling to it, doesn't it. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1105.7 1107.75 Uh yeah, it's very elasticy for sure. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1108.31 1110.78 And that would k also give it kinda durability and 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1107.83 1108.31 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1108 1108.33 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1111.48 1112.03 Yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1112.02 1112.45 Um. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1115.9 1123.21 Um so maybe s uh a sort of uh plastic initial plastic with a a latex kinda sheath? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1112.04 1115.9 and ther that's also f sorta relatively cheap to cast. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1115.32 1115.95 Yeah so 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1123.49 1125.67 Okay so, here are a a plastic, 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1127.11 1128.62 uh latex 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1129.01 1136.43 I like the rubber, the stress balls, I think, you know, that could be a bit of a gimmick like it's good to hold and 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1132.35 1132.98 Oh right, okay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1134.58 1135.1 Oh right. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1134.68 1136.09 I don't know what that stuff is. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1140.63 1141.64 And 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1139.77 1140.63 Okay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1137.03 1139.77 So something with give to it. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1138.63 1139.06 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1138.71 1139.08 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1140.56 1143.47 And that might be quite durable and easy to chuck around. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1142.72 1143.86 and the colour is yellow, right? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1144.35 1147.55 Yeah, y yellow incorporated, yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1144.99 1148.15 Or at least incorporating, yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1146.9 1149.21 Yellow, okay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1149.21 1149.71 Um. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1149.92 1152.99 I mean I forgot i we're sort of uh 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1154.02 1156.75 I don't know what other standard silver kind of 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1154.93 1155.35 I think 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1158.32 1158.58 Mm. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1158.47 1159.8 Other parts or uh 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1160.26 1162.21 Yeah, the buttons w like 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1162.21 1172.36 'cause there's gonna be the the cover the the rubber or the plastic casing and then the buttons in probably two different colours or i if we're having buttons actually 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1172.36 1173.07 I don 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1168.43 1168.85 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1170.24 1170.57 Mm' kay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1172.08 1176.43 So yellow for the body, and then what colour for the buttons? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1173.33 1173.91 Um. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1177.9 1180.75 Um I quite like the multi-coloured buttons myself. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1180.48 1180.84 Yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1181.27 1183 So multi-coloured buttons. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1182.83 1188.69 You do have ones like um play could be green or on and off is red, and stuff like that, yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1188.32 1194.38 Yeah or yeah a limit uh maybe even just a limited multi-colour so it it doesn't look too childish, perhaps. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1189.34 1191.03 Makes it easy to use. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1193.76 1197.74 Yeah, that's true, because that blue one did look quite hardish. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1196.92 1198.91 Okay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1198.75 1201.48 Although I mean this uh uh also comes to shape as well. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1201.48 1208.56 I mean if we are gonna make it a novel I mean double-curved sounds good to me if we're talking about sorta ergonomic and easy use, 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1197.03 1198.75 Yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1206.33 1206.67 Okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1206.64 1206.91 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1208.83 1209.24 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1208.18 1208.83 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1209.33 1210.55 a bit comfier, you know. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1210.88 1211.24 Yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1211.51 1214.56 Mm 'kay so the shape we wanna go 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1215.68 1217.66 Um how exactly? 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1217.66 1218.09 Maybe 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1219.59 1220.05 double 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1219.72 1224.79 Like uh an hour glass kind of figure, is that what you're thinking of, or just like a 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1223.6 1229.19 Yeah it's uh, yeah, that that'd be that's sort of comfortable to hold, easy to hold so you don't drop it. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1228.36 1229.91 It's not Yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1229.25 1230.3 What about a banana? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1230.97 1234.44 We could make novelty remote controls. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1232.27 1232.43 Yeah? 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1234.21 1240.55 Okay, like we could have a big banana shaped remote control, 'cause it's yellow fruit, right? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1234.4 1235.41 Well, yeah, I mean like 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1244.15 1246.33 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1240.78 1244.15 Mm and a lemon might be a little hard to grip. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1239.64 1240.78 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1242.54 1243.94 But then how would you point it? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1241.01 1242.54 Yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1245.56 1245.93 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1244.06 1245.56 Ah yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1246.26 1247.16 How would you point it? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1247.16 1247.72 What 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1249.56 1251.31 We could have a little L. E. D. s on each end. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1247.09 1249.56 Oh i it doesn't matter which end you point, I guess. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1264.21 1268.18 That what our data shows that, so this w this w 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1251.63 1264.21 Yeah, I appreciate this idea, because then this this will help us in our advertisement also and we can relate with fruits and vegetables, the people's choices. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1251.99 1253.63 They only cost pennies. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1266.32 1266.93 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1267.79 1271.78 y I'm I'm not sure about the banana idea. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1267.93 1268.4 Huh? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1269.58 1272.81 Um. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1272.07 1275.72 So a spongy banana re Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1273.84 1277.79 I mean that that th 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1273.89 1278.35 Rubber banana. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1278.35 1279.09 Okay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1278.6 1281.83 does it does seem a bit uh again childish maybe. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1288.18 1290.77 And what else did you say about fashions? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1280.7 1283.14 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1290.77 1291.73 What was trendy? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1283.14 1288.18 I think maybe just draw on the kind of fruit and vegetable shape. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1282.48 1283.19 Okay, okay. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1291.33 1296.19 Uh the fashion trend shows that fruits and vegetables, like people uh now 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1291.88 1292.84 S 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1294.71 1295.26 See 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1295.48 1296.4 And sponginess. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1296.48 1297.75 And spongy, yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1296.55 1304.48 So maybe an an unidentifiable fruit or fiable fruit or vegetable like so it would have a stem perhaps and a 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1297.23 1297.83 Spongy. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1299.3 1299.93 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1300.52 1300.94 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1304.21 1305.92 Maybe, yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1305.41 1308.71 maybe a it'd be s axially symmetric. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1306.69 1307.08 Huh. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1311.12 1314.48 you know where it's like looks like a little snowman kind of thing. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1314.48 1315.5 I don't know the name of that. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1307.52 1311.12 Like what's what's that, I don't even know the name of it, some kind of 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1315.87 1317.08 So it'd look like this kinda. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1317.36 1318.65 Yeah, that's what I was thinking. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1318.63 1323.21 Like a gourd almost, or a squash of some sort? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1319.24 1319.89 Uh. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1319.84 1321.25 Yeah, maybe that's what they are. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1323.17 1326.25 'Cause that you can hold it in like the bottom bit and 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1325.62 1330.79 Yeah, and it has a a clear top and bottom so y so you could say, you know, it transmits from this end. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1328.42 1329.04 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1333.01 1336.1 Let's that'll make us fifty million Euros. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1331.49 1333.01 Yeah, why the hell not. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1333.88 1334.83 I don't know. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1334.83 1336.33 What do you guy What do you think? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1338.22 1346.65 I guess it's kind of dra uh you don't necessarily have to have it sort of clearly identified as a fruit just to have that kind of fruitish shape 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1336.69 1338.07 Um. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1338.07 1338.22 Well 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1346.65 1346.96 yeah? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1343.84 1344.4 No. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1346.04 1346.33 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1346.31 1346.69 Yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1351.29 1352.42 Yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1352.42 1353.04 Exactly. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1347.36 1351.29 Yeah, then only we can relate it with something. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1350.04 1352.04 Yeah, we can relate it by advertising or 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1352.5 1356.88 Okay, so double-curved, single-curved, what do we feel? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1355.55 1357.64 Yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1357.26 1364.63 Or we can do something, we can design two three shapes and we can have a public survey, let the public choose what they want. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1363.78 1364.27 Uh-huh. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1365.61 1366.44 There's a good idea. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1364.71 1365.61 There's a good man. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1364.87 1365.26 Okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1366.4 1366.98 Okay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1367.01 1369.62 Okay um, I guess, since you're the marketing guy. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1370.73 1372.01 I will be happy to do that. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1369.66 1370.73 Yeah, sure. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1370.72 1371.26 We'll uh 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1374.36 1374.95 Um. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1372.23 1374.36 Okay, we could do that. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1374.45 1374.85 Okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1375.7 1378.46 And buttons would, did we say? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1378.46 1381.3 Uh different shapes of buttons? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1389.61 1392.4 They've got, I mean, they've got standard sort of intuitive um 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1381.35 1389.61 Um I l I su I mean for the specific functions, you know, up and down, uh play, stop. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1387.46 1387.97 Mm. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1389.28 1390.26 Okay, so 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1393.76 1394.72 so buttons. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1394.02 1395.16 things that are always used. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1397.12 1398.75 Okay, just like that. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1403.53 1404.48 Um. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1401.05 1403.53 I like it. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1398.11 1401.05 That's cool. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1400.05 1400.45 Yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1403.51 1404.85 Okay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1404.85 1406.09 With the scroll-wheel or no? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1406.37 1409.87 Yeah, what about the scroll wheel and speech recognition? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1409.09 1413.5 Uh speech recognition, I think, so we need a microphone presumably. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1412.95 1416.31 Okay uh I could put the microphone here. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1418.45 1418.96 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1419.25 1420.05 Okay there's the microphone. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1420.39 1420.87 Yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1421.97 1422.85 Where should I put the microphone? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1422.29 1425.77 I mean ho h h wel are we sure that scroll wheel does give ease of use? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1433.43 1436.43 Um yeah, I can no I'm not sure. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1426.48 1428.36 Yeah, I'm not sure. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1428.36 1433.43 Um I mean those ideas I saw were just for inspiration, I think. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1432.98 1434.38 Glad, we're not doing this for real. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1437.04 1440.25 Okay, well we can do some user test with scroll-wheels, right? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1437.57 1438.04 I couldn 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1439.78 1441.9 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1441.03 1441.4 Yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1442.54 1442.73 Okay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1442.74 1448.06 And uh I think if this this new software for the sound recognition is the microphone 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1446.9 1447.31 Yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1447.12 1447.89 Okay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1447.89 1451.01 So should the microphone be just anywhere on it or 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1450.42 1454.85 I would put it sort of sub-centrally, so it's Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1454.98 1455.52 Yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1455.92 1456.7 'Kay there's the mic. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1456.52 1465 So it can be sort of held and w We really need really gonna need to hold it, if it's gonna be voice recognition. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1457.15 1457.91 That's cool. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1465.43 1467.05 Um n well we can 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1469.28 1473.37 Whoops. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1475.27 1475.69 Um. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1469.43 1475.27 Oops. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1475.07 1475.56 Um. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1476.82 1480.57 So let's not use the whiteboard any more. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1481.96 1483.03 Um. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1479.41 1481.96 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1485.68 1490.16 Upsidaisy. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1491.56 1493.07 Okay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1489.98 1491.56 Oops, sorry. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1499.02 1500.09 Are we just gonna leave that? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1493.64 1499.02 Um the What about the glow-in-the-dark thing, the strip around it? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1492.2 1493.64 And uh so what else was there? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1501.27 1505.02 Um but that's me. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1499.06 1501.27 I s I still like it. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1501.34 1501.98 You still like it. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1503.8 1510.28 'Cause we've got the uh technological innovation with the speech recognition system. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1508.32 1508.82 Right. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1511.69 1516.02 I mean we are pushing it probably with funny fruit shapes. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1516.02 1518.42 Um don't wanna sort of overkill. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1509.36 1511.69 Yes, or maybe it's just going a bit uh too far. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1513.33 1515.59 'Cause um it could Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1520.62 1521.63 I dunno. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1517.71 1519.81 Especially with yellow. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1519.81 1520.62 Mm. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1521.02 1521.18 Hmm. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1521.92 1525.48 'Cause I mean like uh if we I mean how good is the speech recognition thing? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1525.48 1532.34 Do we want to go for buttons at all, do we want to just have a device that maybe sits and pretends it's a fruit? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1531.37 1534.21 Then you put it in the fruit bowl? 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1534.16 1537.61 They can work from a You don't have to hold it. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1534.44 1542.59 Yeah, you know, and then you just tal I mean like everybody's got fruit bowl in front of the telly. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1542.59 1543.92 Um. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1538.63 1538.91 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1539.17 1539.54 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1541.32 1549.5 I it could even encourage healthier habits for television watchers, you know they have uh fruits all round them. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1549.5 1552.43 Now just make sure they don't eat the remote. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1546.74 1547.78 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1548.17 1550.38 Make them make them think of fruit, yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1547.25 1548.17 Yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1550.68 1551.08 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1552.6 1560.56 I mean uh some uh I l like think of a fruit that could sit sort of independently on its own like uh, I dunno, an apple. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1554.42 1555.7 Yeah, do we need buttons? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1560.91 1561.35 Mm. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1561.62 1567.81 Then it's just apple so sort of Uh, yellow apples though Hmm. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1563.96 1566.89 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1565.62 1566.9 I quite like the shape. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1566.9 1574.52 I quite like the design of that, uh 'cause that could sit on its own and it's quite got a quite steady base. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1572.72 1573.73 Okay, yeah, that's good. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1571.72 1572.72 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1575.47 1575.77 Groovy. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1575.7 1576.78 Okay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1576.78 1577.1 But yeah 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1575.8 1576.18 Um 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1576.8 1580.96 and as we say we n we don't wanna be too ridiculous with the fruit things you know. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1580.65 1581.32 Yeah,. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1585.15 1587.46 It can sit at a distance and pick it up still. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1581.76 1585.15 But yeah, about the speech thing, it doesn't have to be hand held or close. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1586.85 1587.13 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1587.13 1588.97 So I mean like you could actually 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1586.88 1587.12 Okay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1591.16 1592.35 Yeah, gives you the options. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1599.57 1606.94 different fruit shapes in such a way that a any casing can be could be fit into this mobile general piece. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1591.38 1599.57 Or we can we can do one thing, we can just have a remote control and casings of different different shapes 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1616.87 1617.45 In that w 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1610.53 1616.87 we will put that casing onto that mobile phone, okay, it will look l Uh yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1606.94 1610.53 So whatever people want, like if somebody want it in banana shape,
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1601.08 1601.53 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1606.87 1607.23 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1613.26 1613.74 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1613.33 1614.93 So a selection of casings. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1616.84 1618.95 Yeah, 'cause you said about disposable, didn't you? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1616.89 1619.7 It kind of fi it fits with f fits with marketing um 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1618.76 1620.27 S s sorry? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1620.37 1625.44 You said about disposable earli people want disposable things so we could do that, like have a choice. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1650.82 1656.34 So in that way you can have any, that means whatever you want, without uh yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1649.06 1650.82 It will give apple shape look. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1642.47 1649.06 If somebody wanted in apple shape we will design that, we will put we will put apple shape casing on that. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1631.19 1635.45 we need not to have a full cover, we will just have a half of cover, okay? 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1623.72 1631.19 Uh like if this is a like if this is a mobile phone uh we will design casing in such a way like half of,
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1635.45 1642.47 If somebody wants it i in banana shape, we will fit banana shape casing onto that, so it will give a banana shape look. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1633.09 1633.48 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1635.35 1636.81 Like like mobiles, yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1636.48 1636.89 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1650.81 1651.16 Okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1655.22 1659.06 We still need the buttons in the same places thought, don't we? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1654.47 1655.22 Okay. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1658.22 1662.43 Yeah, button will be on the upper side, buttons will be the on the upper side. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1686.33 1686.57 And 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1662.43 1666.51 Yeah, buttons will be on the upper side, lower side we will just put the casing,
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1666.51 1670.83 so half of that will be look the Yeah, not not the upper side. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1678.35 1686.33 So in that way we need not to d have different different shape mobiles everything, we will just design casings fruit shape. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1670.83 1678.35 So from lower you can, it means while you are holding of from this side you c you can have banana look or apple look, whatever. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1659.06 1660.6 You can standardise those, I mean. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1662.99 1663.6 Oh, okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1661.99 1662.99 Oh, that's the other side. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1667.97 1669.17 Oh, half a fruit. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1669.17 1670.56 Oh, okay, okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1677.1 1678.24 Okay, okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1685.96 1686.58 Okay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1686.07 1686.73 Yeah yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1695.23 1699.37 if they're using it, and what they want to look at is facing away from them. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1699.37 1700.2 It doesn't really 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1691.84 1695.23 'cause when if you think about it if they're wanting it, 'cause they want to look at it,
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1686.23 1691.84 I think tho I think if you're gonna have a facia then you'd want to have it so that it does go over the buttons,
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1699.11 1700.68 Mm mm. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1702.76 1705.68 You know 'cause that'd be in the palm of their hand and they wouldn't be able to see it 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1705.68 1709.12 unless you have sort of you got the buttons options on one side 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1709.12 1713.68 and you get the facia on the other side with a microphone so that you can place it face down. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1704.47 1705.53 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1714.85 1717.74 And you've got the facia, and you can just talk at the 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1719.56 1719.88 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1720.58 1724.12 Maybe. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1724.13 1725.82 Okay, um so 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1725.93 1731.14 So you've narrowed it down to half a dozen options. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1733.56 1738.45 So that that spongy latex rubber everything feel,
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1730.16 1733.56 Yeah, s I guess we decided on material, right? 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1738.45 1744.03 and the colours we got down, and the shape, maybe we'll just make it kinda mix and match type of shape or 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1736.5 1736.87 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1737.97 1738.17 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1740.21 1740.73 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1740.56 1740.78 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1744.24 1749.24 Well, um because Well, I I'm not sure if we should go so far in the whole fruit thing 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1772.22 1781.6 like good to hold, based on fruits and natural things like that, because al already we're going a bit gaudy with the yellow, you know. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1761.74 1772.22 They wanted something that looks fancy and I think maybe fruit could be a bit of a too much of a gimmick, but something ergonomically shaped and organic,
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1749.24 1756.22 because I think we should maybe just take the inspiration from the fruit and uh because what Yeah,
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1756.22 1761.74 w I think wh wha would we're trying to get to twenty five, thirty five year olds who want it quite trendy as well they said. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1781.6 1783.65 I mean we could make it nice pale yellow. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1753.46 1755.55 Okay, so we stick with what we've got there. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1775.79 1776.25 Mm 'kay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1780.12 1781.92 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1780.98 1782.03 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1788.17 1793.34 So again I mean like we could have, uh I mean, we could quite easily have the the main body be a different 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1783.95 1788.17 Well, it's kind of gotta be our company's yellow. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1786 1786.62 Okay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1787.8 1788.13 Okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1788.15 1788.83 Okay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1793.68 1794.32 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1794.32 1800.22 Maybe we could have that pale yellow and then an outside bit bright yellow with, you said, the logan the slogan. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1794.58 1795.36 colour, but have 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1799.67 1801.81 kinda going round, yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1802.21 1802.33 Mm. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1802.64 1803.48 Because 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1809.61 1813.63 so you know um blue and yellow tend to go to we well together. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1802.92 1809.61 Um I mean e even if I mean not necessarily that the um the whole body has to be of the company colour 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1813.63 1819.93 So you have the main body blue with the yellow logo and slogan running up one side of it kind of thing. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1809.99 1810.51 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1818.56 1819.53 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1819.53 1819.76 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1821.19 1821.53 Uh-huh. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1821.8 1822.14 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1821.87 1822.64 W sort of 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1835.81 1838.36 Um I don't know what that means, we crank it? 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1833.27 1835.81 We can use a hand-dynamo. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1823.78 1825.01 Great. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1825.01 1833.27 Um as for the energy source um, you know, almost every remote control uses just batteries, but we don't have to be limited by that. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1836.37 1843.48 Uh It's I think it's basically the more you move i it, it's got a wee thing inside that just kinda powers it. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1843.48 1844.58 Uh yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1842.11 1844.67 Right, it's like those watches that you c So,
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1844.67 1849.16 this might be an idea for something that people really wanna grab, you can shake it if it's out of power. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1844.77 1846.02 Oh, a d a dynamo? 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1846.9 1847.68 Yeah,. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1848.42 1849.11 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1848.49 1851.93 Yeah, I like that, yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1850.56 1853.3 Yeah, like with those watches that you kind of twist. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1853.3 1855.42 Yeah that's quite cool. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1852.72 1853.02 Yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1853.82 1854.24 Okay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1854.24 1860.76 So if it if it's not working, I guess people's natural reaction anyway is to just shake the thing. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1854.28 1854.9 Okay. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1854.37 1856.08 But 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1858.25 1858.51 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1856.16 1858.25 You shake it and scream at it. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1864.36 1871.85 Because then people have to, well like if the cell is out of bat Yeah, to mo Yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1858.47 1864.36 But but do you think that it will be a good idea to use dynamo, tha these type of cells? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1859.08 1860.24 Yeah, it is, yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1867.42 1875.05 It does leave them with an obligation to Especially if they want to use it uh uh sp uh specifically as um voice activated. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1875.05 1876.72 Then if it's just sitting on the 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1874.67 1879.76 Yeah, because most of the people Yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1875.3 1875.98 Right. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1875.38 1879.12 Yeah, then they have to pick it up and then activate it and then Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1879.86 1880.95 Okay, okay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1880.95 1883.03 Right um what are the other options? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1880.23 1880.81 That's true. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1880.64 1881.01 Okay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1883.32 1885.18 Uh there's solar power. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1885.18 1885.89 Um. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1899.9 1903.87 I think we should a rechargeable battery will be a good idea. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1897.4 1899.9 What we w yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1903.87 1906.5 They can they can recharge it. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1892.28 1896.32 and the days when there is no sola sunlight Yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1885.11 1892.28 Uh, solar power will w also not be a good idea, because then they have to keep m their mobiles outside in solar energy 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1896.32 1897.4 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1891.49 1891.73 Yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1891.55 1891.77 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1894.11 1896.96 I'm I'm with uh Raj on that, I think, you know,
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1896.96 1900.59 I've got I've got no I've got a north facing house, there's not really ever sun coming in my window. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1895.8 1897.38 Okay, so probably just 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1899.78 1901.87 But w like just normal light? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1902.28 1902.97 Oh that's true. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1905.17 1914.96 I mean I w I w uh that idea that I thought um just on the basis of like ridding them of batteries and that kind of bother is having a, 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1913.11 1913.51 Mm. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1913.67 1916.69 And we're a very environmentally friendly company, aren't we as well? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1920.39 1927.26 but um for using it as uh recharging it, but also for using it as sound recognition. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1915.59 1920.39 yeah, having a rechargeable stand, so that not only it doubles as a stand,
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1916.17 1916.53 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1918.34 1918.73 Yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1919.3 1919.72 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1925.67 1926.09 Yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1927.46 1927.69 'Kay. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1927.8 1931.52 Like like a hand like one of those portable phones kind of thing. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1930.6 1931.8 Yeah that kind of thing. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1930.93 1932.82 Yeah, that's Yeah, exactly. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1931.6 1932.49 Okay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1937.45 1942.44 Um the user interface, the buttons, I guess we talked about this already. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1936.32 1937.45 Okay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1933.25 1936.32 So uh a rechargeable battery. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1935.47 1935.85 Yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 1935.59 1936.19 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1937.39 1938.22 Rechargeable. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1942.31 1942.82 Mm. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1944.63 1945.12 What's 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1943.21 1944.63 What's chip on print? 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1943.41 1943.81 Um. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1945.51 1945.69 Hmm? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1946.45 1948.63 Sorry, never mind. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1947.34 1953.18 Uh th the uh the electronics um, basically the more features we add um 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1956.82 1965.88 So the more features we add the fancier chips we need to buy and put in, which adds to the cost as you can expect. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1955.07 1956.82 Oops, this one. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1965.88 1966.41 Um. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1961.33 1961.68 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1964.22 1964.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1968.16 1971.01 But uh I think we can keep it all under budget. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1972.41 1980.99 So uh yes, so the speech thing you said our our techno our research and development department came up with some break-through. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1980.99 1983.74 So just in time. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1981.59 1982.45 Just in time. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 1980.4 1981.59 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1981.48 1987.29 Yeah, and if we if we're just having buttons and the speech then we're getting our cheapest option of 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1988.66 1989.12 chipping. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1989.41 1989.94 Right, right. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1997.84 2001.72 Um we're kind of running out of time, so if you could 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1990.49 1991.08 That's good. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1991.65 1997.84 Okay, we're we're kind of uh we're kind of um Excuse m I've just deleted that whole thing. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 1991.08 1991.65 Uh woah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 1991.49 1993.87 Yeah, and keeping the L. C. D. screen out. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2003.3 2004.06 Uh. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2007.79 2011.51 Was that you? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2011.51 2018.35 Um that was your bit's covered, I just dele I just accidentally deleted what I was supposed to say next. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 2011.6 2011.87 Huh? 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 2014.79 2015.85 Oh yeah that was that was it. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2018.36 2020.97 Uh excuse me, Bri 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2019.54 2021.54 Um, yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2021.54 2021.97 Oh, yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 2021.2 2022.95 So control F. eight, right? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 2025.5 2026.56 I can't do anything. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 2023.3 2025.5 Yeah, mine seems to have turned off. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2025.64 2026.81 And I just touch the pad. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2026.82 2028.44 You just touch the pad, yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 2028.99 2029.29 No. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2029.61 2030.83 It's actually shut down. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2030 2030.17 No? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 2030.97 2032.9 It's on, but there's nothing on the screen. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2032.16 2032.95 Okay 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2032.95 2047.13 um now what we have uh our next meeting's in half an hour and what I would like you guys to do is work on giving me a model in clay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 2034.74 2036.41 Try uh flipping the screen down. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 2038.88 2039.09 'Kay. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 2049.48 2051.12 Oh, I get to do it, too. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2052.09 2053.09 It's you guys. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2059.73 2063.27 Um and further instructions will be sent by your personal coaches. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2053.09 2053.59 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2053.59 2059.73 So um, you know I mean, luckily we chose a nice simple shape. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2050.52 2052.09 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 2052.07 2054.23 Cool. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 2052.28 2053.11 Oh neat. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 2058 2058.66 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 2058.66 2059.12 Mm. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 2058.23 2058.85 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 2063.13 2063.69 Okay. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2063.64 2064.73 That's great. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 2064.81 2067.41 Save everything to the shared documents, is that right? 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 2063.96 2064.81 Okay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2067.38 2072.83 Uh yeah, I hope I can recover this, 'cause I've accidentally deleted it. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2072.83 2074.35 Which doesn't really help me much. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 2068.31 2068.67 Yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2072.11 2072.48 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 2074.42 2075.98 I think, I've saved mine already. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2077.48 2082.99 Yeah, can you save that uh send that last one again, please, Raj, as I still can't find it on the 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2081.77 2082.05 Yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2083.58 2085.31 Uh it was under a different name. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2085.31 2087.27 I will show you, in shared documents. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2087.48 2088.32 Okay. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2092.96 2095.84 Oh, you didn't get that. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2097.28 2099.76 Uh I'll put it in shared documents, again. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2095.84 2097.28 I will send new. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2089.31 2092.96 Uh working components. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2095.36 2096.67 No. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2096.67 2097.31 Okay, thank you. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2101.17 2103.27 Um yeah, Project, Project Documents. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2102.78 2105.65 Project documents, sorry, I put it in the shared documents. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2106.19 2109.96 Uh right, that's that's the that it goes there automatically if you put it in Project Documents. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2109.96 2113.73 Project Documents is on the um desktop. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2106.79 2107.29 Uh yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2115.61 2120.31 But I cou can't open that, because it w asks uh for some username or password. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2113.94 2115.61 Right, that's great. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 2121.25 2121.63 Oh. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2122.55 2124.28 Really? 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2123.26 2124.39 I'll show you. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 2130.19 2132.57 Uh these lapel mics are trouble. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2133.69 2134.07 Ts 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2140.36 2144.11 Yeah, I don't know if y it it just ca it just came up on my um 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2134.12 2140.36 Oh right, I think um Hold on. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2136.46 2136.78 Sorry. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2138.48 2138.91 Uh. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2145.23 2146.29 on my agenda. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2151.05 2152.06 Um. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2146.29 2151.05 S Um presumably there's clay somewhere. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2156.15 2157.16 Four. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2160.79 2161.83 Yeah, that's great. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2163.01 2164.07 Light, light, please. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2164.07 2167.23 Light. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2167.23 2167.79 Right, there you go. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2162.06 2163.01 Whoops. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2168.08 2169.13 Yeah, th thank you. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2169.11 2170.04 Yeah, quite. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2170.04 2176.33 And we're using this our basic chip set, so it's all good. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2175.09 2176.17 Oh sorry. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 2176.14 2176.98 Are we done with our meeting? 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2177.57 2179.67 Uh excuse me, Brian. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2179.67 2182.56 You have to keep your pen separate, because I used your pen. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2177.89 2179.63 Um I think we're almost done, yeah. 
ES2005c H00 MEE018 2179.96 2180.09 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2183.19 2184.12 Oh oops. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2184.12 2184.82 Sorry man. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2184.23 2185.77 S 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2186.3 2191.77 Uh okay, still didn't manage to get down all the last bits so we had rechargeable and 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2193.19 2193.48 Uh. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2200.81 2201.19 Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2196.13 2200.81 Apples. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2202.4 2204.3 'Kay, so we came up with that, that's okay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2204.3 2205.39 What's supplements? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2208.69 2210.98 Uh uh. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2205.39 2208.69 Supplements. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2216.88 2218.52 See. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 2218.81 2219.26 Cool. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 2221.86 2222.53 Fun. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2232.09 2234.51 Just for cruelty. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2223.09 2224.54 I shoulda something like that. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2225.75 2232.09 I shoulda sort of engineered it so we k ended up making a diffi difficult shape. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2224.54 2225.75 If I kn see I I knew that. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2230.48 2230.96 Hmm. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 2233.32 2234.57 Yeah. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 2234.57 2236.23 Star fruit. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2233.75 2233.96 Hmm. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2236.45 2242.5 I wonder if they mean like literally make it, sort of buttons and everything. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2238.37 2240.51 So sh should 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 2243.88 2245.17 Oh yeah, we can do buttons. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 2243.14 2243.88 No. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2243.48 2245.98 Should we leave now, Brian? 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2245.98 2247.66 Or we are going to discuss something? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2245.98 2246.27 Um. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2248.63 2254.98 Uh no, I think that's us our discussion over unless anybody's got questions or confusions, 'cause I'm confused. 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 2253.62 2254.16 No I'm good. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2260.15 2261.35 Excuse me. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2258.37 2260.15 Yeah. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2258.4 2258.75 Huh? 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 2258.46 2258.98 Okay. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2261.67 2264.28 Um uh we'll probably get questionnaire in a minute, it's a 
ES2005c H03 FEE019 2265.21 2265.56 Mm. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2270.98 2271.27 Yeah. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2268.94 2270.98 Thank you. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2268.31 2268.94 Sorry. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2275.32 2276.35 Warning, finish meeting now. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2274.86 2275.32 There we go. 
ES2005c H01 MEO020 2277.73 2278.03 So. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2288.26 2289.85 My Project Documents. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2284.65 2288.26 My Documents, that's not what I want. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2283.38 2284.65 Where are we going? 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2278.83 2282.5 I rounded it up far too fast. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2282.5 2283.38 Um. 
ES2005c H02 MEE017 2291.8 2295.25 There we go. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 41.24 42.39 Okay. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 41.74 43.09 Okay, almost there. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 44.13 48.1 We'll sta I'll use the PowerPoint, I guess. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 48.1 49.82 How was that, was that fun? 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 43.17 44.13 Okay. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 52.01 52.69 Very fun. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 50.32 52.01 Mm. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 51.06 51.73 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 52.76 54.82 Okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 61.19 62.99 Upsidaisy. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 62.99 68.01 Um Um we Yeah. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 56.66 61.19 Uh oh I've forgotten to mail you the minutes, but I will do. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 60.45 61.01 Okay. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 61.34 61.65 Hmm. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 66.73 68.25 E excuse me I forgot my 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 69.48 70.44 Alright, okay, yeah. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 69.7 70.64 copy. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 73.19 73.91 He's gonna get his pen. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 74.97 75.2 Okay. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 74.52 74.97 Oh right. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 75.56 79.86 Um Will you guys first with your prototype 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 81.08 85.29 um before we get to the good news? 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 86.23 87.92 Yeah, there's good news? 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 87.92 88.25 Oh. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 87.35 92.09 Uh we have budget problems. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 88.83 89.48 Mm. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 92.32 93.18 Oh. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 94.37 95.1 Cutbacks. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 96.25 97.8 I don't even have this on. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 95.38 96.25 Oops. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 94.37 95.38 I'm afraid you're all sacked. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 98.8 99.21 Hmm. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 123.33 125.82 Okay so it's just your your show. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 123.05 123.33 No. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 120.13 123.05 Okay, have you got a presentation to make? 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 120.92 121.59 Okay. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 122.62 123.86 No, not mine yet. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 124.57 124.86 Oh. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 126.64 129.08 Um maybe we should bring so that the camera can see. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 129.08 130.22 Yeah. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 129.9 130.19 Sure. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 129.3 129.9 Okay. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 131.25 131.52 Okay. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 135.76 138.03 We made three for you. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 137.22 138.32 Three? 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 138.32 138.63 Oh. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 139.69 147.36 Um one's based on the banana, one's based on the tomato and the other one is st 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 145.3 145.93 Tomato? 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 145.93 147.56 What tomato? 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 147.56 150.69 I don't recall a tomato. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 154.07 164.28 Okay, so this is the um non to non uh no buttons one, or as mm few buttons as possible, mainly speak recognition. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 164.28 170.4 The yellow there is the um the slogan, yeah, that we need to incorporate, it's very simple. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 170.4 177.63 If you do need buttons, you can flip it over, and there's some there, um but mainly it's speech recognition. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 153.12 154.07 So. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 149.88 150.59 Look. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 150.59 153.12 Oh yeah, well yeah, we had v some red left over. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 153.13 154.36 Ah I see, okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 162.13 162.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 166.79 167.36 Logo. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 168.28 169.33 Okay, brilliant. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 174.28 174.69 Okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 177.89 181.98 Okay, so the buttons would be like, you know individual users, or Yeah. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 181.14 181.47 Yeah. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 182.21 187.96 Yeah and yeah they might project things onto the screen which you can do on there. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 187.96 189.89 Mm I'm not sure about that. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 195.68 198.35 Yeah, you guys can have a look at that if you want. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 189.89 195.68 Um and this one is the one w more like the one w that we looked at earlier. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 187.01 187.66 Alright, okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 195.22 195.58 Right. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 197.11 199.08 That's groovy. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 197.8 198.02 Yeah. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 200.05 203.25 Well I like the feel of it, I like the feel of it. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 200.21 202.04 Uh can I have 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 201.99 204.91 Yeah, sure. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 204.91 207.84 Um that one is Oh no, it's delicate. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 206.1 207.34 Oh sorry s 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 206.76 209.44 At Oh dear. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 209.8 211.77 That's that's already got its stand that one. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 211.77 212.6 That's it stand. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 219.61 223.39 Um the black on the back is the slogan. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 212.6 219.61 It does also lie flat, but that's the that yellow stand there represents the the charging stand. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 212.54 213.14 Alright, okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 219.33 220.3 Okay, brilliant mm. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 223.56 228.48 Okay, nice and obvious there, if it's standing up, I guess, yeah. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 225.01 227.76 Uh yeah, that Well, we did think of that. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 249.41 256.02 We n were weren't sure about putting them there, because um i it's it kind of could get bashed. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 243.51 249.41 These are the s two scroll ones which we thought could be channel up and down and volume up and down. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 234.31 238.04 which is the little black kind of line in the middle. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 228.44 234.31 Yeah, if it's standing up it's it's on there, but also we're gonna have the company name on the front 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 238.04 243.51 So um and that's the um transmit the L. E. D. thing. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 238.02 239.32 Like that from its centre. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 236.59 238.02 Oh right, okay, brilliant. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 255.44 257.55 Where you're, yeah, uh were you're holding it kind of 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 257.45 257.97 Yeah. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 269.08 271.54 It would have to be a bit bigger. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 272.35 278.41 Um that's a speaker at the top, so you can speak into it like a little walkie-talkie as well for speak recognition. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 266.22 269.08 Um, obviously I don't think that's real sized. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 257.97 266.22 Well, if you hold it, you can you all can hold it, is it does actually feel quite ergonomic, if you've got small hands. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 271.54 272.35 Okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 262.52 262.77 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 264.07 266.64 Yeah. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 266.64 267.04 Okay. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 264.64 264.87 Mm. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 269.51 270.02 Yeah, okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 270.02 271.32 Yeah, scale model, yeah. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 278.7 279.01 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 292.92 300.16 And um then the big red button in the middle is the on and off one. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 300.16 305.23 It's not in the traditional place, but um it's quite an obvious place. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 279.36 283.5 Um and um then the buttons. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 286.51 287.73 Tried to keep it simple. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 287.73 292.19 Oh that's the charging base prongs at the bottom. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 292.19 292.92 We used those. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 283.5 286.51 Yeah kind of self-explanatory, just buttons whenever you need them. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 290.54 295.42 Alright, excellent. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 300.22 300.77 Okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 302.05 303.07 No. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 303.07 304.64 It's out of the way as well, I suppose, so. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 305.81 306.19 Excellent. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 307.36 314.63 So there we go and and um we have the banana-based one too. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 312.74 313.63 Oh yeah, yeah. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 314.24 315.83 Yep. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 315.07 318.14 This one is uh, I suppose for the younger audiences. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 318.83 322.27 Okay, so so Barney the banana. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 319.22 320.94 A a more friendly type of 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 322.05 322.83 Right, right. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 322.83 327.54 It's to uh induce more television watching I suppose or 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 326.64 328.16 Ah excellent, just what we need. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 328.35 328.95 Yeah. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 328.36 328.71 Yeah. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 329.9 330.55 Say it for the camera. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 330.43 335.47 Lo Sort of Loch Ness banana. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 331.81 332.3 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 335.11 336.53 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 335.9 336.97 Right, right. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 342.86 343.87 'Kay and 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 339.81 342.86 Well, nice to have uh options at least. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 337.6 339.81 Cool yeah. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 341.53 341.71 Yeah. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 341.79 342.69 Yep. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 342.6 348.6 So are there any um improvements or issues or 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 346.52 347.22 It won't stand. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 347.12 349.54 Oh there are issues, oh there are issues. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 348.5 351.47 Just let it lie down, it wont stand. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 352.34 356.89 Um main problem that we have unfortunately being finance. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 357.25 358.31 Oh. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 358.37 362.43 Uh, let's just enter in the um evaluation criteria. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 362.43 365.46 Um unfortunately 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 366.53 374.68 the unit we are currently going to produce minus the extra scroll buttons, uh it's gonna cost us fourteen point six Euros. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 372.26 372.5 Mm. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 375.16 375.65 Oh. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 384.63 385.05 There we go. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 376.67 384.63 So we have to rea Sorry, I've accidentally highlighted somehow Um. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 377.25 379.67 What's on the uh on the left? 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 386.05 386.44 Okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 388.63 390.54 Oh god, why is it doing that? 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 389.02 389.21 Ooh. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 392.66 397.76 There we go. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 397.76 403.66 So basically, um in order to save our two Euros 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 405.04 406.43 um I was thinking 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 407.62 411.51 that we could have essentially the same shape, but just have it flattened. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 413.5 415.26 More like a traditional remote control. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 412.31 413.5 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 413.78 414.02 Um. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 425.29 426.63 Doesn't save us quite as much. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 415.11 421.71 Yeah, I mean it's already got a kind of cool shape, so but it wouldn't have to be curved sort of in and out. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 421.71 425.29 And by doing so Oh no, hold on. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 417.82 418.15 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 419.97 420.99 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 428.29 429.85 I don't know what's going on with this again. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 430.1 432.86 W why is the uh double curved two of them? 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 434.9 436 Oh, good point. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 437.38 441.13 And double curve on both sides? 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 439 439.48 Um. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 443.14 445.64 Yeah, this is double-curve, no? 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 446.5 447.88 It This one is single curve. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 442.29 443.14 Curve. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 445.64 446.5 This is double-curve. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 443.73 446.7 That's sort of curve in and out. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 445.68 445.97 Is i 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 449.42 450.39 Mm. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 449.58 452.02 'Cause this is single curve, this is curved on both sides. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 453.17 453.93 So double-curve. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 467.18 468.3 Okay, I might be wrong though. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 453.91 462.94 No, I think it means double curved as in um like uh a single curve on that bottom half 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 462.94 467.18 and the double curved would be if it was that similar curve upward. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 456.77 457.71 Like an S. shape. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 466.51 466.98 Okay. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 468.57 473.01 Like this, one curve on this side, one curve on that side. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 473.01 474.34 Hmm. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 474.34 474.97 Hmm. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 471.49 473.96 I don't think that counts as a curve, I think that's just a shape. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 474.73 475.09 Okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 475.06 477.95 A curvature is like the this case. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 477.12 478.01 Maybe. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 478.68 482.01 'Cause that's the uh the biggest expense there, right. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 482.01 483.11 got two of them 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 478.93 479.45 Okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 481.63 486.34 Yeah, and why why I've got it two, I don't know, I can't seem to select any more however. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 488.25 490.78 Well we can work around that um 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 486.98 488.25 Okay. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 490.2 490.87 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 491.4 492.01 Right. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 492.01 492.61 No. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 492.17 493.63 Cut things out. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 496.44 497.4 But you think it should be one. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 500.94 505.1 but um Hold on till I find it, I think this shift button might be stuck again. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 498.44 500.94 It's meant to be one, yeah, I don't know why I put two in there,
ES2005d H00 MEE018 500.89 501.16 Okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 514.47 517.97 Um okay, so that would take away three, which would give us 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 508.55 514.47 No maybe the shift button's stuck in. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 512.84 513.29 Yeah. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 515.48 516.08 Should 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 514.71 515.48 Mm. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 518.77 519.52 Oh that's fine. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 519.91 521.21 Yeah, so we're 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 520.52 522.19 Eleven uh eleven Euros sixty. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 520.73 521.13 Cool. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 522.55 522.98 Cool. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 523.67 526.75 Um 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 525.88 527.61 So we could even add something. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 531.9 532.11 What? 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 527.6 531.9 We cou Oh not quite, have the scroll-wheel, unfortunately. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 529.53 531.15 We should fire the accountants. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 532.85 534.99 Fire the accountants. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 540.15 541.37 Ah yeah, we could add things. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 543.82 548.65 Maybe if you click back in that bottom right cell, where you're starting from, and then use the arrow keys. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 549.97 551.51 No mm. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 548.65 549.97 Does that work? 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 547.2 547.54 Yeah. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 551.83 552.36 I don't know. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 549.19 551.83 Yeah, I know, that just extends it as well. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 561.58 564.45 Just uh just uh Okay, just a minute. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 551.16 554.01 Uh you can do one thing. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 556.77 561.58 Then move it with the help of this Okay. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 554.01 556.77 You just select one box outsi yeah, this box. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 560.82 563.55 It One of the buttons is sticking, I don't know. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 567.01 567.76 Okay. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 570.83 571.58 Shift. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 575.86 582.72 Should we ask Meli Should we ask our technical expert Melissa? 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 573.33 575.86 Yeah, it's not working. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 571.58 573.33 No it's not. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 567.76 570.83 No input, like this. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 571.61 573.85 No, it's 'cause the uh the shift button's stuck, or something. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 575.84 577.33 Is it the other shift button maybe? 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 580.51 582.01 No that's fine. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 582.01 583.97 Um we've worked out what it would be anyway. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 586.08 586.94 It could be the other side. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 583.95 586.08 Did you try both shift buttons? 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 586.29 587.02 Yeah. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 590.95 591.77 Piss off. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 589.32 590.95 Cancel. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 592.65 593.15 That's too bad. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 596.05 597.28 Oh well, never mind. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 597.28 597.88 Um. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 599.77 604.54 Right, so that's finances and I dunno what we what could we reckon we could add? 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 605.76 606.25 Um 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 606.84 613.58 Well maybe we could add something, but maybe if What do you th We're trying to save money, so. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 613.58 618.09 Yeah, if we're happy with the design there's no point in spending money, if we don't have to. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 618.09 622.11 But if there is anything you think we've missed out there, then, you know, feel free to add it. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 628.66 631.58 because it's not in an ideal place right now. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 622.11 628.66 Maybe I mean obviously it would be bigger so there might be more space for the the slogan on the front 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 610.22 613.83 Well I suppose that's our that's that's our design that we've got. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 613.83 614.43 So 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 618.08 618.55 Yeah. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 629.08 629.88 Yeah yeah. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 638.75 640.69 Project process, how do we think that went? 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 635.02 638.75 We have under twelve Euros fifty. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 631.73 635.02 Well that's that's uh Okay, so project evaluation. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 642.69 643.29 Are we happy? 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 643.23 643.54 Oh. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 643.83 644.46 Mm. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 644.57 646.82 Yeah I think we have a a winning product. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 646.94 653.83 Okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 655.04 656.03 Evaluation. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 658.06 660.08 Oh we've been writing this up for m months. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 659.3 661.23 I think it went quite smoothly. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 664.31 666.78 Uh room for creativity, were we happy with that? 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 667.83 669.74 W I think we were very creative. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 669.96 671.93 No, I mea I think it means sort of individually. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 672.42 673.53 Oh right, okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 678.6 680.12 So uh we're just gonna. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 675.61 677.03 Yes, no, maybe? 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 677.74 678.6 Groovy. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 680.12 681.18 Uh yeah, okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 682.2 682.91 Leadership, sorry. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 677.03 677.74 Okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 681.18 682.2 Teamwork? 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 676.36 677.79 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 684.04 688.28 Great leadership. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 684.09 686.3 Excellent leadership. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 691.73 691.92 Yeah. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 689.93 691.73 I thought went well. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 688.46 689.93 Uh teamwork. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 685.62 686.29 Thank you very much. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 686.29 688.46 You're all get you're all getting a raise. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 690.92 691.51 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 691.08 691.33 Yeah. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 691.27 694.19 Yeah, everyone got enough input, I think. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 703.06 706.8 Um I don't know what, new ideas found, means, to be honest. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 696.34 699.93 The technical stuff was brilliant. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 700.87 703.06 Uh Right. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 694.38 696.34 Uh and well means, yeah. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 699.93 700.87 Let's buy more. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 696.24 697.18 Yeah, we 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 700.06 700.45 Yeah. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 701.27 701.8 Yeah. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 703.35 705.47 These pens are are neat though. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 720.31 723.39 These are new ideas we And new shapes, everything. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 723.39 724.93 At le Yeah. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 705.66 710.76 Yeah, these are new ideas, like glow-in-the-dark or something like that. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 715.13 720.31 we couldn't use these, but we h we are using these scroll buttons like this. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 710.76 715.13 We discussed all the new ideas, but of course we couldn't reach any proper goals,
ES2005d H03 FEE019 720.01 720.52 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 720.21 720.5 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 722.78 723.15 Yeah. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 735.15 735.77 Uh. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 725.01 728.21 So just general thumbs up for all of us then. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 728.21 735.15 That kind of unfortunately is too quick. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 735.77 738.47 I suppose yeah. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 738.47 739.19 Um. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 724 725.01 Groovy. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 723.09 724 Mm 'kay. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 727.6 727.71 Hmm. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 731.97 733.42 Okay. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 733.42 736.09 Well um. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 732.11 732.29 Hmm. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 733.03 733.54 Okay. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 738.44 745.08 Uh so let's talk about our bonuses and the raises we're getting for this, right. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 753.12 753.61 Whoops. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 748.36 753.12 Uh Let's see if I can get this bloody thing to work. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 741.24 748.36 That's it, um I think another couple of days holiday pay might be well in order for all of you. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 745.83 746.1 Mm. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 747.95 748.89 Right, right. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 752.72 755.46 Uh maybe we should start cleaning up the clay. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 755.82 756.69 Yeah, maybe. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 756.39 756.76 So 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 759.43 760.11 Reusable. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 757.52 759.43 Does it go back in, does it? 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 763.22 764.42 Something we should get. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 763.64 766.53 I don't know what this is but it's really really annoying. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 764.63 765.25 So 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 767.11 770.87 Uh Brian, have you have you finished? 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 770.87 772.77 Uh mine needs also this. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 768.75 769.12 Uh-huh. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 770.66 771.83 Um I have, yes. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 773.84 774.03 Huh? 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 774.07 776.56 At last mine is also the presentation. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 776.71 778.48 Oh right, okay, you've got more, okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 779.95 782.03 It didn't bother to tell me that on this 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 778.48 779.95 Sorry uh. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 777.71 779.53 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 777.95 779.38 Oh, you got a presentation, sorry. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 779.54 780.13 Oh ok 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 780.69 780.72 S 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 782.88 783.24 thing. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 785 785.28 Is it? 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 786.85 787.18 Okay. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 787.6 792.27 Uh is the project evaluated, that is mine. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 787.68 789.97 Doesn't tell me. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 792.39 793.62 Oh you're doing that. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 793.92 794.25 Yeah. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 795.19 798.66 We evaluated ourselves, we thought we were great. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 797.51 798.11 Yeah. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 804.09 804.28 Uh. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 805.58 808.1 Mm, love to eat that now. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 808.1 809.46 Kind of a green banana now. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 806.63 808.41 Anybody 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 808.64 809.84 Mm. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 809.27 810.34 Clay covered banana. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 812.7 820.16 It's this as well, sorry, we forgot to mention it'll be made out of kind of a rubbery latex, new material that we've got. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 820.16 820.68 I've got. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 819.82 821.07 O okay, hold on. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 823.77 824.82 blue. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 831.09 834.16 I wonder w which cell do I want. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 843.51 844.37 It's fun to touch. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 844.73 845.7 Yeah. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 870.2 870.68 Yeah. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 867.15 870.2 So. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 869.77 872.39 Okay, I didn't realise you had that bit. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 872.43 874.94 So. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 876.23 876.65 Thank you. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 875.3 876.23 Sorry. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 873.25 875.3 Oh could you pass the tomato please. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 890.04 893.3 How mu What rating we will give to these products. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 877.74 882.68 So now is the final evaluation, final evaluation of the uh uh of our product. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 900.82 906.39 So what methodology I will tell you on what basis we are going to discuss all this. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 893.3 900.82 So of course this is will be a team work, w we together have to decide wha what rating we will give to this product and everything. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 882.68 890.04 How we are going to means uh at what standard what standard whether it meets our standards or not. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 882.6 882.87 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 900.76 901.35 Okay. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 932.78 935.05 Then marketing strategy of the company. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 942.82 948.95 not only in pro providing latest technologies, but also in terms of providing environmental s 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 935.05 942.82 As we have already discussed that our company is quite in the market, not only in terms of providing quality products,
ES2005d H01 MEO020 916.33 920.96 Then trends, whether it is as fashion trends or not? 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 920.96 928.41 Means because we have already stated that people do prefer fashionable things nowadays. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 928.41 932.78 So this is also an important factor for our evaluation also. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 906.92 916.33 We will give the rating to this product based on the user requirements, whether it meets the user requirements or not, this product. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 927.57 928.11 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 950.38 951.79 Sorry, carry on. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 949.36 950.38 Sorry. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 951.03 951.53 Yeah. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 951.53 961.39 So but also in terms of providing environmental safe products, uh yeah like uh keeping uh keeping in mind all the safety issues. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 961.39 962.32 So 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 964.23 968.07 Now comes the criteria rating with seven point scale. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 968.07 975.21 I'm having this scale this scale, so we have to do it on a board. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 967.99 968.2 Okay. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 971.54 972.86 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 976.13 976.56 Okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 976.6 977.33 Alright, okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 977.33 978.63 The board working again, is it? 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 976.99 983.16 the user requirem I think. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 982.41 984.65 Do we have the uh the marker for the board? 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 985.35 987.36 Uh. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 985.69 986.17 Um. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 987.2 990.85 Thank you. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 987.7 988.18 There it is. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 992.31 992.67 So. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1081.97 1089.08 So these are the three crite criterias for our evaluation of our product. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1092.75 1098.22 So we will see whether this product meets all user requirements or not. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1098.22 1103.84 I I will first I would like to have your views, what do you think whether it meets all user requirements or not? 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1089.08 1092.75 First of all uh comes user requirement. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1088.83 1089.33 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1104.89 1106.89 Um I think 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1108.05 1109.81 Yeah, it did. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1123.21 1124.68 Yeah. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1109.81 1118.99 It had all the basic buttons that they needed as well as the uh new technology that people said they wanted. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1121.79 1123.21 Does it work? 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1124.68 1125.03 So. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1118.99 1121.79 Um so. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1109.86 1111.1 S 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1118.05 1118.24 Yeah. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1119.57 1126.68 When the user requirement is essentially just to operate the T. V., so yeah, of course we haven't actually got a working model yet. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1130.66 1131.45 Uh. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1124.81 1129.61 So what do you think you will personally give. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1129.61 1130.66 Seven. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1127.89 1130.93 I would say seven. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1134.23 1136.42 No sorry tr one is true. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1130.93 1132.95 Seven is good, yeah, isn't it? 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1132.95 1134.23 I can't True or false? 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1135.02 1136.1 One, yeah. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1137.04 1140.5 Uh one is means highest ranking, okay. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1140.5 1143.27 But I think highest ranking is seven, or one? 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1139.35 1139.64 Yeah. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1142.66 1146.25 No it's it's like true is one end, and false is the oth 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1143.28 1144.45 No that's false. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1147.25 1151.08 So it's one for from your point of view. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1151.08 1156.01 And what do you say our Industrial Expert? 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1145.13 1147.25 Okay, right right. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1146.8 1147.58 Okay, so one. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1150.63 1150.91 Yep. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1153.97 1155.28 Uh. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1157.56 1158.51 It's hard to know. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1158.51 1163.24 I I give it a two. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1167.17 1169.54 because she was our i Interface Expert. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1160.64 1167.17 Uh d you can you can tell on on the like I think she has given her views on the basis of design 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1169.54 1177.18 But you can give your views based on technology, whether the technology meets the requirements of the customers or not? 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1169.41 1169.76 Okay. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1176.52 1180.17 Um yeah, I think i it might even exceed it um. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1181.91 1184.57 But I guess there is a kind of a shortage of buttons. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1189.05 1189.29 Two. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1185.73 1189.05 Um I'm gonna give it a two. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1193.48 1195.74 You will go for one. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1214.51 1222.36 like we are having one banana design and the other one is orange, and Uh yeah, lower end. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1226.33 1231.51 But if a person doesn't like banana, or orange, you are limiting him. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1203.82 1209.15 it may be uh meeting all the requirements of the customers like technology-wise, price-wise,
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1189.32 1193.48 And what about uh you, Brian? 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1242.45 1242.75 So. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1231.51 1235.77 No, don't buy our product, because we are l we like this only. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1198.5 1203.82 Uh for me personally it is everything fine, it may be having good design,
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1235.77 1242.45 So we are showing our preference for particular fruits, two or three kinds rather, and Yeah. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1188.51 1189.32 Two. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1195.74 1198.5 Okay. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1222.36 1226.33 And the third one is what you ge uh that is not a f fruit look. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1209.15 1214.51 but there is one thing which limits the customers, like we are having only two, three designs,
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1192.21 1193.42 Oh, I'll go for a one. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1194.79 1197.38 Basic requirements but of the pro of the project. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1217.16 1223.19 Yeah th 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1218.84 1220.39 Mm yellow. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1226.32 1226.73 Uh-huh. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1226.9 1228.44 Come on that was the tha 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1231.15 1231.97 'Kay. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1231.32 1231.68 Uh-huh. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1235.34 1235.76 Okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1238.47 1243.99 Being fruitist. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1242.11 1243.99 Is that no is that not trends? 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1276.09 1281.01 And by limiting them, we are limiting our sales, limiting our profit also. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1270.98 1276.09 So in this case giving only one or two choices we are lim limiting our customers. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1267.4 1270.98 So you can what shape a person will like. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1244.69 1253.49 Uh no, uh personally as a Marketing Expert I don't believe that, because whatever companies they launch their products in the shape of fruits,
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1253.49 1257.53 they give a range of products, a range of shapes, like if we see,
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1262.04 1267.4 Some children like to buy banana shape, some apple shape, some even pineapple shape, some orange shape. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1257.53 1262.04 look at the smallest thing, toffee chocolates, they give a variety of different things. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1261.33 1261.93 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1267.01 1267.33 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1276.41 1276.93 Uh-huh. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1294.57 1299.16 a company'll have two or three choices, but they're different designs. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1287.95 1294.57 I think, you know, if you're going to buy a T. V. maybe a company'll have That you're going to choose from,
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1280.11 1287.95 But in electronics, I think, it's not q always quite so um you don't always have so many choices as with chocolates. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1299.16 1300.86 We were coming up with one product. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1311.69 1314.19 So we can 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1303.92 1304.98 Uh maybe. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1304.98 1311.69 Okay but I will I will personally won't give it beyond three. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1306.11 1308.97 No, I mean uh obviously your opinion, I'm just trying to 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1311.11 1311.53 Okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1312.81 1314.61 He's a tough cookie. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1315.3 1319.88 Yeah, on an average we can think three, four sevenths, maybe. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1324.18 1328.03 Uh, no sorry, it should be 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1321.79 1324.18 Three or four? 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1326.19 1327.13 Six. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1327.13 1327.8 Five or six. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1328.92 1329.58 What are we doing? 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1333.26 1336.77 Yeah, yeah, we are taking everything, and that's I have taken it very wrongly. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1344.56 1349.96 because it is one point eight uh two, so we will do two. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1350.93 1355.48 So where were the trends. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1336.77 1341.57 Yeah uh three four four two six seven seven sev Yeah one pe exactly. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1349.96 1350.93 Yeah. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1329.48 1333.26 No sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, we are doing a very wrong thing. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1341.57 1344.56 So we can say one or two. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1329.78 1330.73 What are we doing? 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1330.84 1331.45 Adding them up? 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1332.19 1333.24 We're gonna average them? 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1334.55 1335.47 Okay. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1337.27 1339.47 About one point f one point eight. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1335.47 1337.27 So seven fourths. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1334.92 1335.22 Oh. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1343.52 1343.75 Okay. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1343.64 1344 Okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1346.32 1346.81 Oh I see. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1351.32 1352.45 So trends. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1349.01 1351.32 Yeah round it up to two. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1350.42 1351.03 Okay, yeah. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1354.49 1356.58 Can you explain what you want us to write there? 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1357.4 1357.73 Sorry? 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1358.12 1360.4 How it how conforms to the current trends? 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1370.91 1371.75 Uh. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1360.38 1370.91 Yeah, again the the fashion trends, this also like whether it it will be fashionable to have these products in the uh as a fruit shape or something. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1367.71 1368.17 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1385.33 1391.72 I would give it um, well, because it's hard to make a fruit good to look at,
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1403.36 1403.75 That's fine. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1401.84 1402.47 Three. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1391.72 1398.88 that that looks cool, you know, so I would actually give it a three. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1370.13 1371.09 Okay. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1402.47 1403.36 Go for three. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1371.09 1378.04 Well um going on uh the specifications that we had, that fruit and vegetables are quite popular 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1378.04 1385.33 and that people like something that is good to look at and not many buttons,
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1398.88 1401.84 Tha three or four, I'm not sure. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1402.12 1402.6 Okay. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1402.6 1403.88 Yeah. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1403.88 1404.59 Uh 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1405.13 1412.51 As far as the uh technology it its' got the latest trends in speech technology, but it's missing the screen,
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1412.51 1417.59 as we said, um but it does have the push-buttons, or the scroll-buttons, 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1404.88 1405.13 'Kay. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1424.44 1426.96 So I give it a a four. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1426.96 1428.49 I'd give it a kinda middle of the road for 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1418.52 1424.44 um but it doesn't have that fancy solar power or the the vibrating energy mechanism. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1428.68 1429.27 Mm. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1429.64 1430.43 for technology. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1431.86 1437.25 Yeah, I am sort of pret uh Just the fruit does me in, I mean uh it might 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1447.98 1451.61 Um so yeah I'd say about four as well. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1441.47 1447.98 so um Uh also uh I would have liked to have seen the L. C. D. screen in it. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1438.52 1441.47 it might be trendy to some, but I'm just not swallowing the fruit 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1441.61 1442.17 Yeah. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1454.04 1465.09 Uh personally I wi uh I think that in terms of trends, these products are quite good, like, these products are in fruit shape,
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1465.09 1472.93 because that wha people now our fashion trend shows that people like everything all f everything that is being advertised, like clothes,
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1472.93 1481.1 shoes, and everything is being advertised in the form of fruits and vegetables, or getting them or showing some association with them. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1452 1454.04 Okay. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1474.24 1474.62 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1481.4 1484.38 So and in this way our product is good. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1502.05 1503.89 It is cus spongy also. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1511.37 1516.72 So four five ten thirteen thirteen. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1503.89 1506.2 So they can play with it, it's quite good. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1506.2 1511.37 So then I think, maybe I can give it two. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1519.87 1522.43 So what about company strategy? 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1484.38 1493.03 And the second thing, now people don't want any complicated or bulky products and ours is quite simple and quite handy. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1516.72 1519.87 So we can Is it fine? 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1493.03 1500.06 So that is also ef that also Our product meets the f the fashion uh trends of the market. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1500.06 1502.05 And yes. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1492.93 1493.43 Mm-hmm. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1520.54 1520.93 Yeah. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1525.7 1527.3 Well it was yellow. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1525.7 1526.24 Um. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1531.7 1535.2 Um there was lot of discussing, that was good. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1535.2 1537.53 Um I feel I got my say. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1528.3 1531.7 Yeah, the company strategy, okay. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1537.53 1541.48 Um so I'd give the company strategy 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1542.83 1543.26 a 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1544.78 1545.58 two. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1546.96 1547.65 Okay. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1547.34 1553.16 Well, I think it's the the remote control conforms to the the company strategy. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1553.16 1554.13 Is that the question? 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1552.44 1554.33 Okay. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1554.73 1555.19 Okay. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1554.33 1554.73 Is it? 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1553.07 1554.52 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1556.74 1557.05 Um. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1556.76 1557.62 Okay, so 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1561.19 1561.83 One. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1561.83 1563.67 Okay, just leave it, it's fine. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1559.91 1561.19 one or two. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1561.15 1561.65 Yeah. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1564.42 1565.09 I'll go with two. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1567.25 1568.81 So what about you, Brian? 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1569.4 1571.43 Um yeah, a three. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1572.87 1575.91 Pretty much kept to the company strategy, so I would go for a 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1576.95 1581.37 a one, as we not only kept it, but we were limited by 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1581.81 1582.65 Mm. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1607 1609.54 So four six six 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1596.23 1600.84 as per latest technology, and it should be environmental safe. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1583.81 1596.23 Yeah, and me also, like, this product me uh me uh me uh this meets all company strategy like our product should be as per customers' requirement,
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1600.84 1607 So since our product meets all these requirements, so I would also prefer to give it rank one. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1608.49 1610.2 So one and a half. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1610.64 1611.36 Yeah, one. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1610.8 1611.17 half. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1616.48 1620.71 So th seven seven. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1611.17 1616.48 So we can say two or one Okay. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1614.6 1615.1 A two. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1627.2 1631.88 Uh overall we are getting two something, but we can round it as two. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1632.38 1632.83 Yep. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1632.5 1632.8 Okay. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1632.93 1633.59 Cool, groovy. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1641.31 1641.8 Yeah. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1634.03 1638.99 So I think overall uh evaluation of our product is quite good. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1633.18 1634.03 Yeah. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1638.99 1641.31 So we can launch it. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1634.68 1634.98 S 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1638.71 1638.97 Cool. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1641.94 1643.21 Brilliant. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1642.02 1642.5 Woo-hoo. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1650.92 1653.09 In which case we are done. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1653.88 1656.51 'Cause we've evaluated and we are within budget. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1658.7 1659.63 Okay. 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1658.83 1659.09 Cool. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1663.43 1664.76 Great. 
ES2005d H01 MEO020 1659.69 1663.43 So yeah. 
ES2005d H02 MEE017 1660 1664.36 Champagne lunch anyone? 
ES2005d H03 FEE019 1661.1 1661.67 Yeah. 
ES2005d H00 MEE018 1663.23 1664.07 Uh. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 8.69 9.49 Okay. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 10.69 14.38 So, this is uh first meeting of 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 17.72 26.65 Um and I um like to show you the agenda for the meeting, I don't know if it was sent round to all of you. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 15.72 17.72 this design project. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 28.03 29.94 Mm, yeah. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 29.94 31.16 I didn't receive it yet. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 29.66 30.27 Maybe not. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 50.09 59.25 Um then we want to practice using some of the tools that we'll be using during the the course of the design project and the meetings 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 30.27 40.31 Anyway, this is the the plan for today's meeting is um firstly just to introduce the project briefly 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 59.25 64.3 um specifically the whiteboard over there. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 64.3 75.56 Um then we need to go through the specifics of our project plan um and discuss come up with some preliminary ideas about it. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 45.12 50.09 Then the main purpose is to so that we get to know each other a little bit more. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 40.31 45.12 um although I'm sure you've actually got some of the information already. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 49.38 49.66 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 76.88 78.66 And then that's it. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 78.66 82.58 So we've got twenty five minutes to do that, that's until eleven twenty five. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 84.43 86.98 so sh 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 85.17 88.61 S so any any questions? 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 88.61 88.73 Is i 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 89.3 90.22 Not at this point. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 89.49 91.36 not at this point. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 113.73 118.84 so it has to be quite intuitive that people are able to use this product. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 96.94 103.73 What we're aiming to do is to create a new remote control for a television. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 94.72 96.94 So this is our project. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 103.73 113.73 Um we want it to be something original, something trendy and also something user friendly 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 139.03 150.09 The method that we're going to use to complete the project, that has three components as such. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 157.43 166.22 We're going the way we'll do that I think is to to work individually initially and then come together for meetings to to work on that. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 150.09 157.43 There's the functional design of the the remote control. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 167.58 180.2 Um similarly with the conceptual design, we'll start off by working individually with our own expertise on our own laptops and then we'll bring what we've done together. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 181.63 186.88 Um and then the detailed design will come after that. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 186.88 188.11 We'll pull it all together. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 194.05 199.12 Uh i is it just uh more detail, uh as I understand it? 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 188.69 194.05 I'm a bit confused about uh what's the difference between the functional design and conceptual design? 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 199.01 204.32 I think it th w we're talking the the functional design is more your 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 205.82 225.83 um area of things where you'll be we want to look at what functions we need in the remote control and what what specific things it it has to do but the conceptual design is um perhaps bigger than that and includes the how people are going to use it and and that kind of thing. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 212.63 212.97 Right. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 221.67 223.18 How how it will be done. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 233.14 243.33 Uh I think it's it's in the conceptual design phase that we identify the it's in the conceptual design phase that we identify the components of our product? 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 227.37 233.14 So whe where do we identify the components of our uh product? 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 244.45 251.9 Um I think we'll we'll start that initially with the functional design already but then yeah. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 249.72 249.99 Okay. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 258.04 262.97 Okay, so that's just a brief overview of the p the the project itself. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 262.97 278.45 Um what I'd like us to do now is simultaneously introduce ourselves and start using some of the tools that we're using for for the project, specifically the whiteboard. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 279.07 279.75 Hmm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 279.87 286.16 So each person in turn, I'd like us to go up to the whiteboard 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 300.39 309.11 what your role is and perhaps how your animal relates to the role that you're taking in this project. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 286.16 300.39 the pen's just underneath it there and draw your favourite animal and then tell everyone what the f your favourite characteristics of that animal are and while you're doing that tell us your name 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 306.41 307.6 Why are you looking at me? 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 311.26 314.98 Would you like to go first? 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 312.77 315.82 Do I have a choice? 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 315.82 316.35 Okay. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 318.67 320.16 Right, okay. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 316.35 318.67 Ooh ooh, things falling everywhere. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 316.86 320.61 Oh, yeah, p put them in pockets. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 325.98 326.41 Cool. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 328.14 330.65 You don't have to hurry, we've got plenty of time. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 328.23 328.68 Okay. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 331.49 338.19 So, my name's Cat and I'm really not very good at this whole drawing malarkey so um 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 351.08 351.45 Okay. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 352.69 353.85 It's got no eyes. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 354.5 355.36 Oh, good point. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 358.78 360.64 Okay, what do it's eyes like? 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 356.86 358.44 Ah, the eyes always ruin it. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 358.44 358.78 Right. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 369.67 371.77 Okay, cool. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 371.77 375.85 Um this is a rabbit. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 373.69 376.52 I thought it might be a cat. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 373.71 379.21 Yeah well origi uh at first I thought it was going to be cat. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 379.17 382.56 Yeah, I don't think it's furry enough, so we'll make it a fluffy rabbit. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 380.88 383.92 Yeah now I now I understand now, yeah. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 382.35 385.18 Yeah I can see by the ears. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 385.49 385.86 Yeah. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 391.49 396.19 Um okay and I like it because it's small and it's fluffy. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 386.2 389.17 Okay, right, it's a fluffy rabbit, blue. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 389.17 391.49 Rabbits don't come in blue but you know. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 394.49 394.63 Mm. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 397.98 402.19 And one day you'll be able to getical genetically modify them and they will come in pink. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 402.74 403.51 Ah. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 403.55 405.16 Okay? 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 405.18 407.52 Excellent, and what's your what's your role within the team? 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 405.47 405.66 Mm. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 415.33 416.12 Thank you. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 416.12 421.26 Okay, cool, I am the Marketing Expert um so like 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 407.56 415.33 I am the um I need my notebook, mm ooh top banana. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 422.37 432.23 I'm gonna be doing the apparently according to the little guy in the computer that knows everything the user g requirements specification of the functional design 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 432.23 441.61 um trend watching in the conceptual design and product evad-valuation in the detailed design um so yeah. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 432.41 432.76 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 439.6 440.55 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 440.02 440.36 Okay. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 442.28 444.62 And more about yourself, you're from? 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 442.5 442.93 'Kay. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 444.69 449.51 Um I'm from Leicester, um second year. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 449.51 451.68 Um what else do you want to know? 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 446.27 447.05 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 453.11 462.19 I like sports um yeah, aerobics, kickboxing, spinning um and uh 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 462.11 463.01 But not with rabbits. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 473.41 474.15 Okay? 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 469.23 473.41 And yeah um and I like cocktails, especially pink ones. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 463.57 465.7 not with rabbits, no no. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 465.7 469.23 And vets, I like vets as well. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 474.15 476.67 Cool. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 464.5 464.64 Mm. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 473.24 474.34 Cool. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 473.99 476.24 Excellent, to match the rabbit. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 488.72 489.89 Where's the pen? 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 485.87 488.72 Um so my name is Maarika. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 489.89 490.32 Okay. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 481.11 485.87 Okay. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 494.34 499.61 There's a an if you have not enough room there's an eraser there and you can rub it off. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 508.07 516.14 I m I mean I'm not so sure because I'm not so so very um familiar with all kinds of animals, but I do like dogs. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 516.14 521.74 Oh, sorry, maybe I should have shouldn't have said it beforehand but mm hmm. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 502.48 508.07 Uh so um um I'm the Interface Designer in this project and my favourite animal,
ES2006a H03 FEO023 499.12 502.48 Yeah, well, or I can make it smaller. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 519.12 519.25 Mm. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 524.91 529.51 Um well, there are different kinds of dogs, but okay um. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 541.39 541.57 Yep. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 538.66 541.39 That's not bad at all. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 539.59 541.16 Ah it looks like a dog. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 541.52 542.37 Okay. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 543.64 545.64 I think it needs four legs if it's gonna walk though. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 541.91 543.64 Is a bit more impressive than my rabbit. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 549.41 558.14 Um yeah and I do like dogs because they are good friends to people and they are loyal. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 546.03 549.41 Yeah, maybe it has some colourful patches, yeah. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 548.11 551.02 the other legs are on the other side. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 564.24 568.62 Um they're really much more fun because they are not so independent. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 568.62 569.13 Um 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 560.39 564.24 Mm, well that's compared to some other animals like cats. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 581.84 593.54 Uh I hope to be loyal to the project and not to n not to um let people doing similar projects know the details of our project or something 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 593.54 595.21 yeah. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 602.41 609.83 Oh, right, my roles, um so um in the different um stages of the design,
ES2006a H03 FEO023 595.21 598.92 I'm from Estonia uh, yep. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 598.92 602.41 Um so is there anything else you'd like to know? 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 577.98 581.84 Um what it has to do with with my role in the project is hard to say. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 609.83 618.86 so at first I will be responsible for um for yeah, designing the technical functions of the um 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 571.77 577.98 yeah maybe maybe the fact that they protect their home as well, yeah. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 593.65 594.77 And where where are you from? 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 596.35 596.95 Estonia. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 619.64 638.45 um of the remote control uh then in the in the conceptual design stage I need to um come up with uh interface concept and then in the last um stage I will be responsible for the int infa for the user interface design. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 640.92 643.44 Okay, that's it. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 642.45 643.53 Thank you. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 647.84 651.04 Okay um I'll do some 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 653.53 659.57 I'll rub the features and let the drawing stay. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 660.86 662.63 'Kay um my name is Gaurav. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 668.95 675.2 Um my favourite animal one of my favourite animals is a cow. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 675.2 677.2 I've got no idea how to draw a cow. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 676.41 678.89 Good luck. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 681.18 683.2 Uh this is going to be 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 684.08 688.48 They're not just like a big round body and then some really skinny legs and then just some horns. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 687.43 688.55 Yeah, that'll do. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 688.55 690.41 Okay, so let let me draw the body first. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 691.21 691.45 Mm. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 692.04 701.69 Big, round body, really skinny legs and they've got a long tail and a long face. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 701.12 703.46 It's eating. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 704.02 705.65 It looks like Eeyore. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 704.9 708.34 And there is some grass there. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 708.34 721.68 So this is what I like about cows that they just keeps sitting there eating grass, they do not disturb anybody um they're kind of Buddhist in a way. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 731.82 742.21 so I'm supposed to design all the details of of the product um ho how it works and whatever it'll mm take during the functional role 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 755.26 762.78 Um the detailed design, I I guess it will again be the identification of the components and how they integrate with each other. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 742.21 748.08 what are the various functions that have to be performed by it uh during the um conceptual design,
ES2006a H00 MEO022 721.68 724.95 So yeah, I like cows. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 748.08 755.26 what are the various components of it and um finally, I'm not too sure what was the last part. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 724.95 731.82 Um my my role in the project is um uh the industrial designer 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 706.5 708.1 Yeah. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 710.69 715.38 Horns, draw some horns. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 764.21 766.93 Um I'm from India. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 766.93 773.3 Uh I'm doing my P. H. D. in Psycholinguistics, I sit at the Department of Psychology. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 773.3 773.5 Yeah. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 774.46 775.11 Excellent. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 774.66 775.69 Thanks. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 774.69 775.06 Thank you. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 776.64 778.67 Right, now now it's my turn obviously. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 791.24 792.34 Okay, here's a space. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 791.39 794.05 That doesn't look like a cow, does it? 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 792.75 796.05 It looks very very cute. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 797.28 798.34 I'm Jen. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 795.7 797.28 Yeah, I like the cow. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 797.32 797.58 Yeah. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 798.96 799.33 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 805.98 807.58 I like 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 799.64 805.98 Um I like dogs too, but I can't do that already because I can't draw a dog as well as you can. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 808.72 809.44 Mm. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 825.48 826.24 Is that a lizard? 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 826.02 829.41 No way. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 828.54 829.07 Hmm. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 833.75 834.53 Wow. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 837.53 838.29 It's a gecko. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 841.74 846.94 Is a ar are they also like lizards or are they yeah, they are mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 838.84 841.74 Ah, a gecko, okay. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 839.01 839.64 Ah okay. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 839.92 840.54 Yeah. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 840.81 841.98 Is there a difference? 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 842.32 843.39 They're 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 846.91 852.74 And I I like geckos because they remind me of warm places and 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 852.74 863.41 and where I was living in Cambodia they used to live in my house and they were on the ceiling and they would make little gecko noises in the evening. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 844.56 846.91 Yeah, they're l it's a kind of lizard. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 851.71 853.33 Ah. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 851.96 852.21 Uh-huh. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 862.59 864.31 I hope you don't like snakes, do you? 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 861.2 862.59 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 871.71 887.44 I'm from Melbourne and I'm your Project Manager for today and my role is basically to keep things going and make sure that you all work together 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 865 865.94 I don't like snakes. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 865.94 868.71 I come from Australia and we have nasty snakes. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 868.71 871.71 That's where I'm from, Australia. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 866.03 866.72 Okay. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 868.54 869.21 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 880.31 880.58 Mm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 888.66 892.95 in a productive way, so that by the end of the day we come up with a great product. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 894.02 894.61 Wonderful. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 895.28 898.13 Okay. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 897.51 898.89 Thank you. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 905.52 909.4 So, let's see what's next in the PowerPoint presentation. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 921.81 927.63 Okay, so this is the um overall budget for our 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 911.94 921.81 So, I've just thought yeah I've just thought about this that we could even put it much more professionally as there we go. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 912.88 915.29 If you right click on it you can 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 919.02 919.93 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 938.27 943.34 Um we're planning to sell the remote controls for twenty five Euros each. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 930.48 938.27 We've got um we're planning to sell these remote controls for let's make that go away, that means we've got five minutes. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 929.43 930.48 project. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 944.61 949.95 Um and with that we're aiming for a profit of fifty million Euros. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 952.07 955.89 And that's selling them on the international market, not just in the U. K. . 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 957.83 969.82 Um so to do that our finance people estimate that we need production costs of maximum twelve and a half Euro so that we can reach that 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 970.95 972.63 profit target. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 990.27 993.78 So that's something to keep in mind while you're designing. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 997.36 998.93 Okay. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1002.39 1003.13 Hmm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1005.72 1010.68 This is let me just skip ahead to see that's the last thing, okay. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1012.84 1021.29 Does anyone have any first ideas to bounce around about um what we're thinking of this remote control? 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1010.68 1012.84 We've only got a couple of minutes. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 1021.37 1032.2 I'm just wondering whether whether there is like any special feature that we want to have w want this remote control have as opposed to the already existing ones. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 1020.27 1021.37 Yep. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1032.45 1033.3 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1048.95 1057.03 what specific things could be um included in this remote control that that are out of the ordinary. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1044.49 1048.95 but if we all have a think, when we go away from the meeting 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1040.05 1044.49 I think that's probably something that w it's best if we take away with us,
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1044.88 1045.33 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1061.76 1069.24 user friendly and original so um I think your point is relevant as far as the originality is concerned 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1054.56 1061.76 I think uh i in the beginning uh one thing was that was mentioned was that it should be mm trendy 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1069.24 1072.89 that we should provide some features that are quite unique to this. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1072.22 1073.64 Something something new. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1094.18 1099.47 So I'm kind of thinking, you know like those phones that they have,
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1084.27 1094.18 So the motto is um we put the fashion in electronics and um so it's something that is sleek and stylish but it's still functional, you know? 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1099.47 1103.75 the new generation ones, where they don't actually have any buttons on them and stuff like that. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1075.38 1084.27 and the other things that they've made and I like put down some like inspirational words like that I got from looking at the pictures. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1073.8 1075.38 Yeah, I was looking at the website 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1074.46 1074.75 Mm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1084.03 1084.34 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1093.3 1093.84 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1104.21 1104.56 Uh-huh. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1104.28 1104.69 Alright. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1111.41 1113.04 so I figure how many do you need, you know? 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1106.85 1111.41 so it's not overly I mean I don't know what h most of the buttons do on my remote controls,
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1104.76 1106.85 You know, so something heading towards that 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1113.29 1113.79 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1115.29 1116.25 Mm. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1115.31 1115.75 Okay. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1115.45 1118.56 So perhaps some sort of menu-based thing, or 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1119.58 1126.36 Something that's a little less crowded than this, like I mean you know, theoretically you can do all kinds of things with your T. V., right? 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1126.36 1127.54 But what do most people do? 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1127.54 1133.19 They turn it on, they watch certain specified channels, you know, and then they turn it off again. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1133.19 1134.42 Sometimes they play a movie. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1121.71 1122.06 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1126.29 1126.54 Yeah. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1128.64 1128.99 Yeah. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1130.44 1130.85 Yeah. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1132.73 1139.72 There is a lot of functionality in there that is not used ninety percent of the time, but will be used ten percent of the time, yeah. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1137.15 1137.97 Yeah, so 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1137.27 1137.57 Yeah. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1139.08 1142.33 there's no need to have buttons on it to do that, maybe to do 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1142.32 1146.36 It could be one button for a menu or something, if you really need to go and do that. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1139.43 1142.32 So, no. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1141.86 1142.08 Yep. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1144.63 1145.07 Yeah. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 1144.86 1145.31 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1145.15 1146.35 And then use the 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1157.06 1157.26 Hmm. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1145.93 1149.92 So, if you're the kind of sad case that knows how your remote control works,
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1149.92 1157.06 then you know that's fine and you can do it on the screen rather than everybody else having to have those buttons, which just confuse them. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1150.51 1150.86 Mm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1155.9 1156.32 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1157.8 1158.41 Excellent. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1159.65 1164.5 'Cause like if you look at the train, it's just very like, there's no extra bits on it 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1174 1175.15 but it looks really pretty too. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1164.5 1174 the train on the website and I dunno if you can put it up on the thing um but it is just like a long like thing used for mu moving people 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1166.92 1168.26 Oh I haven't had a look yet, yep. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1175.46 1175.69 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1179.7 1180.58 Great. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1180.58 1184.88 Any other immediate thoughts before we 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1183.28 1184.38 Mm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1186.7 1187.49 move along? 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1188.32 1195.29 Uh we can aim for I mean we can think about all these little things, but we can aim for something wi that gives a high battery life,
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1203.58 1205.04 Um 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1195.29 1203.58 although I don't think that um it's a huge problem for remote controls anyway, battery life, uh every now and then you need to replace the batteries. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1195.57 1195.9 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1203.25 1203.51 Yeah. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 1215.29 1221.34 because otherwise the new users will just have a lot of problems with l learning, yeah, yeah. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 1208.61 1215.29 Yeah but uh I mean e even though it has to be re original we shouldn't uh go like too far away from from the usual ones,
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1208.84 1209.23 Hmm. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1216.33 1216.71 Yeah. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1218.19 1219.92 A big learning curve, yeah. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1219.67 1220.15 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1222.24 1228.61 So, i it should kind of fit in as well, and the stereotype of a yeah. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1221.17 1222.24 Yeah. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1225.61 1227.38 It's like those fancy websites 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 1228.13 1228.9 Hm-hmm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1229.54 1234.46 that you can't access because you have no idea how to get in, but the designers thought they were great. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1242.04 1247.14 Um we've got another meeting in thirty minutes, so 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1236.66 1242.04 Okay, so we need to wrap it up now, so that we can go away and get on with some of this. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1248.47 1257.64 you're you'll be getting specific instructions once you go back to your workspace, but im basically you're looking at the working design, 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1257.59 1258.41 Alright. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1259.65 1261.83 you're looking at the technical functions design, 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1263.88 1268.47 and for you it's the user requirements specification, like you said at the start. 
ES2006a H01 FEE024 1266.64 1266.85 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1269.67 1270.08 Okay? 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 1272.06 1273.6 Okay. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 1273.6 1274.33 Thank you. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1272.4 1273.43 Thanks for that. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1274.52 1276.75 Uh I'll see you in half an hour. 
ES2006a H03 FEO023 1277.05 1278.19 See you. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1279.84 1281.57 Do we need to unplug things? 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1281.57 1282.15 Probably. 
ES2006a H02 FEE021 1278.35 1279.84 Carry the laptops back again. 
ES2006a H00 MEO022 1279.6 1280.11 Hmm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 11.81 13.32 All hooked up. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 20.74 31.03 Um hopefully this meeting I'll be doing a little bit less talking than I did last time 'cause this is when you get to show us what you've been doing individually. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 31.03 36.22 The agenda for the meeting, I put it in the sh shared documents folder. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 36.22 38.9 I don't know if that meant that you could see it or not. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 15.32 20.74 Okay, so now we are here at the functional design meeting. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 40.13 41.78 Did anyone? 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 51.97 54.49 Um and it should be in there. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 42.72 43.48 Oh well. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 41.78 42.72 No. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 43.48 51.97 Um I'll try and do that for the next meeting as well so if you check in there, there's a shared project documents folder. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 41.15 41.78 No. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 41.46 42.72 Mm. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 54.48 55.25 Mm. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 58.86 61.47 Oh project project documents, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 56.64 58.86 Um um wi on on a what? 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 63.52 67.23 Is it best if I send you an email maybe, to let you know it's there? 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 60.32 62.34 Project documents, yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 62.34 63.52 So I'll put it in there. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 62.88 63.76 Oh okay, yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 67.7 69.09 Yes, I think so. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 70.89 80.11 Um I'll act as secretary for this meeting and just take minutes as we go through, and then I'll send them to you after the meeting. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 69.27 70.89 I'll do that next time. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 68.42 69.27 Yep. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 109.8 121.67 by the end of the meeting come to some kind of decision on who our target group's going to be and what the functions of the remote control that's the the main goal is to come up with those two things 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 81.73 91.78 The main the main focus of this meeting is your presentations that you've been preparing during the time, so we'll go through each of you one by one. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 121.67 125.83 target group and functions of the remote control. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 97.58 105.09 I just sent at the last minute, I'm sorry about that, but we can see how that affects what you were you were doing. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 91.78 97.58 Um then we need to briefly discuss the new project requirements that were sent to us. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 125.83 127.8 And we've got forty minutes to do that in. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 105.09 109.8 Um and then we need to 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 97.83 99.89 Yeah, the last minute, yeah, yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 102.74 103.18 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 130.21 130.78 So 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 131.88 132.54 I would 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 133.62 136.82 You said uh targ target groups, what does that mean? 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 133.75 134.78 say yeah? 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 136.83 137.93 Um 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 137.19 141.4 As uh who it is that we're going to be trying to sell this thing to, yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 140.13 141.61 Uh okay, 'kay. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 142.47 143.59 So are 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 143.8 155.59 we need to have a fairly defined group that that we want to focus on and then look at the functions um of the dem remote control itself. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 142.88 143.8 So we need to yeah 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 146.57 147.13 Okay. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 160.07 162.97 Does anyone have a preference for going first? 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 157.01 160.07 So with that I think it's best if I hand over to you. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 160.63 161.05 Alright. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 163.16 165.65 I can go first, yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 164.53 165.58 You wanna go first? 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 165.58 170.48 Okay, so we need to unplug my laptop and plug in yours. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 165.84 166.05 Hmm. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 164.81 165.84 Okay. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 172.6 174.38 I assume we just pull it out? 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 175.3 175.44 Mm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 197.06 199.07 Right. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 199.07 203.72 Um so f from the 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 209.63 216.03 Once we you don't have to do it now but when once you go back, just so that I don't have to scribble everything down. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 203.57 209.63 Just before you start, to make it easier, would you three mind emailing me your presentations? 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 210.9 212.53 Okay, yeah, afterwards, yeah, okay. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 213.17 213.66 Right sure. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 216 216.85 Uh okay. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 218.43 238.17 So n uh with uh with regard to the uh working design of this uh uh remote control uh I've identified um a few basic uh components of the remote and uh se uh from the design 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 238.17 247.65 functional design perspective um w I c we can now uh know wha what exactly the components are and how how they work together with each other. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 250.86 252.75 So 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 254.24 261.87 this is the method that uh I'll mostly be following in my um in my uh role. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 270.37 278.26 I would need feedback from the marketing person uh and uh from the user interface person. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 262.14 270.37 Um the identification of the components, uh and uh since since I'm dealing only with the technical aspects 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 278.26 288.43 Uh we'll then integrate this into the product design at a technical level and uh basically update and come up with a new design, so it's a cyclical process. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 278.23 278.43 Hmm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 304.88 313.77 Um so basically uh the as I told you the identification of how the remote control works and what are the various parts to it 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 301.95 304.88 Uh I just quickly jotted them down. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 296.7 301.95 The last three bullets have been integrated from uh the last minute uh email. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 289.79 296.7 Okay, so these were the basic findings from today. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 322.08 332.39 Um okay, so e the mee email said that teletext is now outdated, so we need to do away with that functionality of the remote control. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 332.39 342.76 Um also uh the remote control should be used only for television, because incorporating other features um makes it more comp complex. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 315.38 322.08 uh and what are the different processes um and how the parts uh communicate with each other. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 343.22 350.8 And the reason why teletext is outdated because uh of internet and uh the availability of internet over television. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 350.8 359.84 How however, our our remote control would only be dealing uh with the the use for television, in order to keep things simple. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 359.84 377.43 Um also the management wants that um our design should be unique uh it so it should incorporate um colour and the slogan uh that our company um has it as its standard. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 392.83 398.6 The user interf interface communicates with the chip, so I'll basic go over to the 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 384.51 392.83 Um there's basically an energy source at the heart uh which feeds into the chip and the user interface. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 379.5 384.51 Okay, so he he here is a functional overview of the remote control. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 406.93 407.24 Okay. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 409.47 421.01 So if uh if this is our energy source and this is a cell, uh it communicates uh it feeds energy into the 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 429.89 431.72 There is a user interface here. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 423.78 429.89 into the chip, which basically finds out h uh how how to do everything. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 444.42 451.61 um which then so the output of the chip is an infrared bit code, 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 433.13 444.42 So whe when the user presses a button, it feeds into the chip and the chip then generates a response and takes the response to an infrared terminal,
ES2006b H00 MEO022 453.45 458.02 which is then communicated to the remote site, which h has an infrared receiver. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 460.63 469.66 Um the there can be uh a bulb here or something to indicate whether the remote is on or communicating. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 469.66 476.7 Um so these are the essent so a all the functionality of the remote control,
ES2006b H00 MEO022 476.7 484.19 whatever new functions that we need to do, um make the chip more complicated uh and bigger, basically. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 481.87 482.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 488.19 492.57 Okay. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 493.93 506.19 Um so i in my personal preferences um I'm hoping that we can ke keep the design as simple and clear as possible. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 528.25 529.75 That's about it. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 511.5 518.59 And uh also if we can incorporate uh the latest features in our chip design 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 518.59 528.25 so that our um uh remote control does not become outdated soon and it's compatible with mot most uh televisions. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 506.19 511.5 This would uh help us uh to upgrade our technology at a future point of time. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 529.75 534.06 So anything that you would like to know or 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 529.64 530.53 Thanks. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 529.77 530.16 Okay. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 533.42 538.82 Do you have any um i idea about costs at this point? 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 538.82 540.29 Br 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 542.74 544.36 Um yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 537.91 542.74 No, I don't have any idea about what each component costs. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 542.79 543.26 Okay. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 547.15 549.05 Anything else? 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 547.97 554.29 'Cause that's something to consider, I guess, if we're if we're using more advanced technology, it might 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 551.41 551.66 Yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 554.67 555.78 Certainly, yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 560.55 567.63 but um unfortunately I I do not have any data, so uh I just identified the functional components for that. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 555.78 560.55 So so tha yeah, we definitely need to operate within our constraints,
ES2006b H02 FEE021 556.1 557.54 increase the price. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 559.87 560.22 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 567.49 568.41 That's fine. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 570.15 571.22 Are there any more 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 573.36 578.09 questions, or shall we just skip straight to the next one and then we can discuss all of them together at the end? 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 576.94 580.69 I think we need like some general discussion at the end probably. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 581.61 582.7 Okay, so do you want to 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 579.94 581.61 Yeah, I think that will do. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 580.23 581.85 Yeah, okay. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 581.48 582.73 Yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 582.73 591.66 Yeah, I think since since we were discussing some um design issues then I I I would like to continue okay, yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 591.27 593.12 I think that has to come out of there. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 588.42 591.27 Yes, shall shall we pull this up? 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 592.72 593.07 Yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 596.26 597.2 Mm 'kay. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 596.26 596.6 Yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 598.55 598.83 Oh i 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 596.94 598.55 Thanks. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 598.14 603.54 Yeah, I thought those last minute things, they're gonna hit you the worst. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 608.78 611.25 Okay, I hope wait. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 611.25 612.2 Should it just 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 612.24 613.36 I it'll take some time. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 613.23 614.64 It ta takes a little 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 616.29 617.14 There's just nothing. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 616.69 627.95 Oh, and have you you need to then also press on yours, function F. eight, so the blue function key at the bottom and F. eight. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 620.26 622.06 Oh right, right, right, um 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 626.5 627.01 Okay. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 629.66 632.01 Nothin okay, something is coming up. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 630.38 632.27 Oh, there it is, yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 632.27 634.22 It'll come up, it um uh no signal. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 630.9 634.4 Now it's coming, computer no signal. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 635.02 635.57 Why? 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 633.46 635.02 No signal? 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 635.84 636.77 Maybe again? 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 640.37 643.44 Yeah yeah, it says something now, adjusting 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 643.16 644.79 My my computer went blank now. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 642.25 643.16 Oh. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 645.27 647.63 Okay, adjusting. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 646.08 646.6 Adjusting. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 653.04 654.38 This is the problem, but 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 648.92 653.04 But I don't see anything I don't see anything on my computer now. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 650.33 651.22 There we go, there we go. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 650.74 651.07 Okay. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 653.19 654.34 Oh, that's strange. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 658.75 662.01 one where it's only here, one where it's only there, and one where it's both. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 653.46 658.75 Oh, if you press if you press function and that again there's there's usually three modes,
ES2006b H00 MEO022 660.24 660.56 Okay. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 661.65 663.18 Um. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 662.65 664.68 And one more time. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 662.7 664.32 Okay, so one more time. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 668.43 669.57 No? 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 669.57 669.91 No. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 666.77 668.43 Uh now it's okay. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 669.96 672.85 Should yeah just wait for a moment, adjusting. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 670.05 671.09 Mm. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 672.52 673.73 Oh okay. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 675.77 676.55 Okay. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 675.8 677.22 Okay, that's fine, that's good. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 692.24 698.08 Um 'kay, so the method I was um adopting at this point 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 698.08 708.25 it's not um for the for the whole um period of the um all the project but it's just at th at this very moment. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 679.62 682.04 Okay, let's start from the beginning. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 682.04 692.24 So I'm going to speak about technical functions design uh just like some some first issues that came up. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 722.48 737.05 And then um after having got this inspiration and having compared what I found on the web um just to think about what the de what the user really needs and what um what the user might desire as additional uh functionalities. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 715.09 722.48 uh so mostly just by searching on the web and to see what um functionality they used. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 708.25 715.09 Um uh my method was um to look at um other um remote controls 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 707.87 708.23 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 737.92 746.4 And yeah, and then just to um put the main function of the remote control in in words. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 774.1 783.89 or then mm uh the other possibility would be that um she might just want to choose one particular channel, so we would need the numbers. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 746.4 758 Um so the findings uh were um that the main function of the remote control is is just sending messages to the television set, so this quite straightforward. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 787.36 792.34 Um um I als okay. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 758 762.21 And uh w some of the main functions would be switching on, switching off 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 762.21 774.1 uh then the user would like to switch the channel um for example just m changing to the next channel to to flip through all all of the possible channels,
ES2006b H03 FEO023 783.89 787.36 And and also the volume is very important. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 745.72 746.36 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 792.47 798.88 Uh switching on off channel, uh volume, okay, that's great. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 790.19 792.47 Sorry, cou could you go back for a second? 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 799.77 800.19 'Kay. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 847.79 857.04 so it must follow some conventions um like whereabouts you find the on off button and maybe the colour tends to be red or something. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 836.43 846.12 So my personal preferences would be uh to keep the mm the whole remote control small um just like the physical size. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 802.18 814.34 Um um among the findings I found that m m most of the curr mm presently available remote controls also include other mm functionalities um in their design,
ES2006b H03 FEO023 826.49 836.43 but according to the last minute update um actually um we do not want to have all this complicated functions added to our design. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 814.34 819.87 like operating a V. C. R., but they don't seem to be able to deal with D. V. D. players 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 846.12 847.79 And then it must be easy to use 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 819.87 826.49 but then there are surely there are many other functionali functions that could possibly be added to them 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 829.24 830.27 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 869.78 871.46 and then volume has to be there. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 871.46 880.45 But then um other functionalities um could be just uh there could be a menu button and you could change things on the screen then 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 898.99 901.56 So at the for the time being that's uh that's all. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 880.45 888.89 um for example brightness and mm similar functions could be just um done through the menu. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 901.56 902.63 If you have questions 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 860.38 869.78 the must-have buttons would be on off and then the channel numbers and then um the one that allows us to go to the next or the previous channel 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 888.89 898.99 And yeah, the last question I had about whether we wanted to incorporate n uh more functionalities, the answer was already no because of the last minute update. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 857.63 860.38 Um then yeah 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 898.72 899.03 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 907.02 914.58 but if we had a a decent case for that we really think it's important to include video and D. V. D., I could get back to them and see. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 901.73 902.83 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 902.83 907.02 If I mean that was the the directive that came through from management,
ES2006b H02 FEE021 915.7 917.66 It's w it's just whether it's worth arguing about. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 917.94 923.64 Yeah, and also it's it's um other question is uh because there are so many different 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 937.61 944.46 so it might be problematic to to choose between all these possible things. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 927.01 937.61 And there are so many different things that could possibly be included because besides video and D. V. D. there are the mm um video C. D. s and whatever 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 930.71 931.09 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 938.61 939.87 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 942.85 943.96 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 955.55 960.59 Are there any questions for clarification of Maarika before we go on to the next one? 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 953.62 955.55 Okay. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 961.44 971.11 So in the u user interface requirements uh uh uh we we have been able to identify what are the basic buttons that we do want. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 971.11 976.71 Um but um so so at this stage 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 988.88 992.1 But uh is is there any uh uh any thoughts on that? 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 976.71 988.88 uh how we go about implementing those button we will not identify or I mean in we can completely do away with buttons and uh have some kind of a fancy user interface or something like that. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1001.14 1002.25 A little screen or something 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1017.91 1025.33 I think I th I would I would think the put the buttons, but if if you have other mm proposals um. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 998.37 1001.14 I mean um what other options would you have? 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1002.25 1012.1 but this would be really kind of I think a lot of learning for the user and and I mean the user just wants to get um get a result um quickly 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 992.76 998.37 Um well, I think the buttons are still mm kind of the most um easy for the user to use 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1012.1 1017.91 not to spend time in like um giving several orders um I dunno. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 998.6 998.84 Right. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1003.5 1006.65 Yeah, and it'll make the costs yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1016.64 1016.87 Right. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1017.75 1018.38 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1033.59 1043.21 Uh i if the if the costs allow, we can have like an L. C. D. display and uh with um because we do want something fancy and fashionable as well. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1029.38 1033.59 So well we can probably wait until t we have more knowledge on that. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1046.05 1046.33 Cool. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1043.21 1046.05 So yeah? 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1024.75 1029.38 Uh I think the co costs will also play a big role when we come to know about them. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1025.34 1025.46 Mm. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1029.4 1029.76 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1029.6 1029.98 Mm. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1033.46 1033.96 Yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1042.97 1043.33 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1043.23 1043.8 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1045.43 1045.6 Yep. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1046.59 1050.17 Sure, we can discuss that maybe after the next one. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1050.17 1052.76 Do you want to yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1050.21 1051.89 Do you wanna give me the little cable thing? 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1049.75 1050.21 Cool. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1058.09 1059.79 No. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1059.79 1060.51 Wait. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1055.78 1058.09 Uh am I going in the right direction? 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1057.72 1060.92 Yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1064.35 1065.65 Okay, here it comes. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1064.81 1065.81 Oh, I'm getting hungry. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1068.09 1069.35 Okay, here you are. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1069.52 1069.9 Cool. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1082.11 1082.83 Okay, cool. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1077.93 1082.11 Ah, that's why it won't meet. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1095.04 1095.41 You set? 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1098.79 1101.31 Okay, functional requirements. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1097.53 1098.79 Yep, cool. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1101.6 1106.17 Uh we need to do the function key thing so that it comes up on here. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1105.96 1106.99 Alright, yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1112.36 1113.32 Hello. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1116.75 1119.42 try to press oh, okay, yep. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1117.35 1119.22 Is it plugged in prop it's working? 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1119.22 1119.55 Okay. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1117.78 1118.33 It's working. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1122.24 1122.73 Excellent. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1122.35 1124.71 Cool, okay. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1124.71 1124.96 So 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1144.13 1152.96 What's the most annoying things about remote controls and um the possibility of speech recognition and L. C. D. screens in remote control. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1126.34 1127.64 what I have 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1152.96 1157.31 Not that they actually gave me any answers on the L. C. D. screens, so I should have taken that bit out, but anyway. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1127.64 1139.52 wh where I've got my information from is a survey where the usability lab um observed remote control use with um a hundred subjects and then they gave them a questionnaire. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1139.52 1144.13 Um so it was all about, you know, how people feel about the look and feel of the remote control, you know. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1157.82 1160.56 Um okay, so. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1185.33 1191.51 Um current remote controls, they don't match the user behaviour well, as you'll see on the next slide. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1191.51 1193.71 Um I dunno what zapping is, but 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1170.39 1174.85 Um seventy five percent of users find most remote controls ugly. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1174.85 1177.65 Uh the other twenty five percent have no fashion sense. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1160.56 1170.39 What they found is that people don't like how current remote controls are, so you know, definitely you should be looking at something quite different. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1177.65 1185.33 Uh eighty percent of users would spend more to get um you know, a nice looking remote control. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1193.67 1198.28 It's um switching between channels, sort of randomly going through. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1200.25 1203.47 But you have that little thing that comes up at the bottom and tells you what's on. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1215.74 1217.39 Um so this is my little graph thing. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1214.32 1214.73 Okay? 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1199.04 1200.25 Oh, right. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1203.47 1208.58 Um okay, fifty percent of users say they only use ten percent of the buttons, so that's going back to what, you know,
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1214.73 1215.74 Cool. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1208.58 1214.32 we were saying earlier about, you know, do you need all the buttons on the remote control, they just make it look ugly. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1204.33 1204.72 Mm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1210.06 1210.33 Right. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1212.63 1213.02 Mm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1216.72 1218.04 Ooh, that's a bit difficult to see. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1219.55 1220.69 Mm k 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1220.47 1222.48 If you explain it to us it'll be fine. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1224.64 1229.3 What it is is um it's cones, 'cause I thought they'd be more exciting. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1229.3 1231.58 Um but ooh where's it go? 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1222.52 1224.64 Okay, well, I can send it to all of you. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1224.4 1224.69 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1229.64 1231.91 I liked the, I liked the litt ooh come back. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1232.65 1233 Back. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1234.83 1235 Oh. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1234.88 1235.11 No. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1235.9 1237.26 Oh yes, cool. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1237.26 1240 Okay, I'm gonna stop playing with the little pointy thing. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1241.03 1251.9 so like what it shows is how much things are used relatively and what you can clearly see from that is the thing that's used most is the channel selection. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1251.9 1255.1 What you can't see is volume selection, it's a little bit higher than all the others. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1240 1241.03 Um okay 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1239.53 1239.85 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1246.97 1247.39 Okay. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1255.27 1258.25 Mm-hmm, that's the next one along, yeah? 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1267.03 1277.95 you know, nobody really uses and so that's the the numbers along the top represent their like um their importance,
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1287.92 1293.21 well it's not quite so essential, apparently, although I don't understand how it couldn't be, um and everything else,
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1277.95 1282.3 you know, so on a scale of one to ten, how important is that and,
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1257.43 1267.03 Yeah, so what the graph shows is that, you know, power, channel selection and volume selection are important, and the rest of them,
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1293.21 1298.4 I think, you know, you can forget about having those buttons on the remote control, 'cause they're just not needed, and they're not used. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1282.3 1287.92 you know, channel selection and volume selection are absolutely essential, and the power,
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1269.88 1270.39 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1277.99 1278.44 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1299.57 1299.97 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1300.24 1304.76 This is the bit that the email messed up for me and that's what I was fiddling about with at the beginning of the thing. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1334.26 1344.94 like when you have the computer keyboards and you keep your wrists up would be something that encourages you want something with an ergonomic t design that encourages good use of the remote control and you know 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1310.67 1318.21 Uh that they get lost, that the uh you know, they're not intuitive and that they're bad for repetitive strain injury. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1304.76 1305.83 Okay, cool. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1299.59 1300.24 Okay. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1329.67 1334.26 Okay, so um I mean the the R. S. I. thing would be that 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1318.21 1323.23 I think if you're watching enough T. V. to get repetitive strain injury from um you know,
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1344.94 1347.45 not straining your wrists watching T. V. . 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1323.23 1328.14 watching T. V., then that's the least of your problems, but you know, it's up there. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1328.14 1329.67 Um that yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1305.83 1310.67 So um okay, so this is what people find annoying about remote controls. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1317.66 1317.94 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1322.06 1324.22 The remote control. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1326.37 1326.55 Mm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1337.96 1338.3 Right. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1344.23 1344.64 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1344.34 1344.87 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1358.79 1365.19 Um okay, but that shows how people whether they would pay more for voice recognition software. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1367.67 1376.54 younger people to the age of thirty five are quite likely to pay quite a lot more f well quite are quite likely to pay more for voice recognition software,
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1386.4 1392.06 but um you know I d I do wonder how well that would work given that a T. V., you know,
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1365.19 1367.67 So you can see from that that, you know 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1350.56 1351.84 Okay, cool. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1392.06 1401.54 tends to be people talking and um, you know, how are you going to stop it from just flipping channels whilst watching T. V. . 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1401.54 1402.23 Um okay? 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1351.84 1358.79 Right, um sorry this is pink because I was copying and pasting the table, and I didn't have time to white it out again. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1348.81 1350.56 Yes. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1382.46 1386.4 Um so clearly voice recognition is something to think about,
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1376.54 1382.46 whereas as people get older, they're a bit more sceptical about it and they're less willing to to try it. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1349.09 1349.19 Hmm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1358.08 1358.5 That's alright. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1393.94 1394.45 Mm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1400.79 1401.01 Right. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1455.66 1462.65 Um and then like a locator, so you know, kind of like you have for a mobile phone or not a mobile phone 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1405.18 1410.39 Um okay, so these are my personal preferences. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1450.3 1455.66 you know, your remote control just sits there, and you could just sit it in the sunshine and save the environment a bit. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1436.58 1442.95 You know, so things should either be functional or beautiful or preferably both, so I think we need to aim for both. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1442.95 1447.57 Um okay, then a long battery life, like you were talking about earlier and um,
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1410.39 1418.75 So you have sleek, stylish, sophisticated, you know, so something that's, you know, a bit cool. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1404.05 1405.18 Cool. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1418.75 1423.6 Um you know, functional, so it's useful, but minimalist. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1432.97 1436.58 and you've got all this stuff, and you're just like, what the hell is that, who is ever gonna use it? 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1447.57 1450.3 you know, I was thinking that solar power would be quite cool because,
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1423.6 1429.98 Um there's a there's an important thing that, you know, people use when, you know, when you're filling up your home, you know,
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1429.98 1432.97 a lot of people fill up their home with bits of crap, basically, you know,
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1442.5 1442.75 Mm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1441.61 1442.5 Mm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1461.79 1462.06 Mm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1463.09 1464.97 Some kind of a ring, some 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1465.86 1468.64 Whistle and it screams at you, yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1463.39 1465.86 Keys and things like that, yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1464.31 1465.77 Yeah, that's it, you know. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1468.07 1474.23 My flatmate and I were talking about this on the way into uni this morning and I was like I need to get one for everything. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1489.48 1491.2 Cool. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1467 1468.07 I know, it's weird. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1474.23 1481.11 So yeah, so maybe something where you clap and then it beeps, something a kind of sound that you don't often hear on the T. V., you know,
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1481.11 1488.57 'cause you don't want your remote control beeping every five minutes, 'cause you you'd then deliberately lose it by throwing it out the window or something. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1488.57 1489.48 So okay? 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1491.2 1491.59 That's me. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1480.33 1480.68 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1480.61 1480.77 Right. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1489.05 1489.44 Hmm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1491.98 1493.39 That's you, excellent. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1492.41 1494.08 Okay, that's great, thanks. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1492.59 1494.78 Um that's very good, very interesting. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1494.52 1495.16 Um. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1497.18 1499.84 I'm just gonna tick yes. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1502.6 1507.43 So, we've got about ten, fifteen minutes to discuss 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1506.29 1506.6 Mm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1507.68 1527.32 I think one of the very interesting things that came up in um uh Ka Kate Cat Cat's uh presentation was um uh this this issue of uh uh like voice recognition being more popular with uh younger people. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1539.89 1548.08 good looking uh we are better off targeting a younger audience then um you know, people who are comparatively elderly. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1548.08 1549.6 Um. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1527.32 1537.05 So if we need to have a target group um then uh I think as far as the m motto of our company is concerned 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1537.05 1539.89 if we want to have something sleek and uh you know,
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1515.4 1515.98 Ca. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1514.61 1515.4 Cat's. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1548.34 1548.96 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1549.66 1556.54 Yeah, I mean that's the thing is that it didn't say in the survey, you know, whether,
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1556.54 1561.9 you know, these are the people that will pay more for a more stylish remote control, but I'm assuming, you know, yes. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1554.08 1554.29 Right. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1569.44 1575.84 then uh th it'll certainly be more popular with this i ye with the younger people as compared to older people, yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1561.54 1562.48 Right. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1562.48 1569.44 Bu but but the survey did say that f things like voice recognition are more popular with them, so if you want to put in something stylish,
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1562.55 1562.95 Yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1562.89 1563.37 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1570.55 1570.93 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1575.96 1586.76 Then again I guess the th where it was most popular was the fifteen to twenty five bracket and the I don't know how often they're buying televisions. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1574.92 1575.96 Yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1582.67 1583.8 Right, and 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1585.39 1585.88 Right. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1588.98 1591.02 So, you know 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1586.95 1588.98 Well, that's when you go to uni, isn't it? 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1587.25 1587.53 Mm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1596.63 1600.8 when people are really moving out and they've got their first job and they want their nice toys and 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1593.07 1596.63 I would've thought it's it's more that twenty five to thirty five 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1589.19 1593.07 Yeah, but you don't have much money, generally. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1591.51 1593 Yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1593 1595.3 Yeah, you share a television or something that yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1620.49 1623.35 So even they are seventy six percent, is that high amount? 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1606.78 1608.69 Oh, oh, okay. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1601.88 1606.78 But uh still, if if you can go back to that slide and uh, how popular was it? 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1614.98 1620.49 uh how popular was so it was sti still still quite popular amongst them. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1608.69 1614.98 That's alright, if you can just look it up on your computer, wh uh um people between twenty five to thirty five 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1601.04 1601.88 Right. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1601.27 1601.82 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1604.77 1606.99 O oh it's on sorry, we unplugged it. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1605.36 1606.53 Oh, I've unplugged it. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1606.53 1608.57 Do you want me to 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1607.73 1608.38 Here, let me 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1610.69 1610.96 Yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1610.93 1611.33 Yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1616.17 1618.7 Seventy six point three percent. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1616.98 1619.56 It was seventy something, yeah, yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1620.16 1620.3 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1620.42 1620.61 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1622.62 1625.98 Yeah, I kn I mean I know what you're saying about the fifteen to twenty five year olds 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1632.46 1638.16 you know, if you're at university, you're paying your rent, but you don't have a mortgage, you don't have a life insurance policy, you don't 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1625.98 1632.46 but I mean it has been proven that that people of that age group have a higher disposable income because they don't have like I mean,
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1622.92 1623.22 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1632.68 1634.71 Yeah, they've got no commitments and 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1637.13 1637.46 Alright. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1637.7 1639.86 usually not a car and all of those things. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1641.08 1646.36 You're still learning to drive actually, so that just costs more than a car, but yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1646.36 1650.32 Um so I mean like it is an age group to target, really, I think. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1639.09 1641.08 normally have a car, yeah, so. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1641.81 1642.12 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1640.87 1641.81 Kids. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1640.88 1641.89 Yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1641.89 1643.02 So you're more likely to b 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1644.85 1645.09 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1649.97 1657.41 Yeah, and if we're if we're talking twenty five Euros as a price, that's not unaffordable, even for young people. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1656.08 1658.7 No, I mean that's what, that's like fifteen Pounds? 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1658.7 1660.35 You know, I think 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1658.53 1658.82 Yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1659.24 1666.19 Yeah this this is not unaffordable, but the problem is whether people need it, whether they do have a T. V. to use its full 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1664.64 1665.25 Yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1665.41 1668.94 Yeah, I d I don't know many people without a T. V. . 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1668.94 1672.37 We didn't have a T. V. last year, and everyone thought we were off our heads, you know. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1665.75 1666.02 Yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1668.5 1668.89 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1668.87 1669.6 But do they 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1672.16 1680.4 But the T. V. s are often kind of someone's old T. V. that's blah blah and be a bit strange to have a fancy rome remote. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1674.3 1676.57 Common, the students yeah, yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1676.57 1682.46 The s the stu yeah, and the remote control might not yeah, it might not even function with the old T. V. . 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1680.67 1680.93 Mm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1688.71 1691.04 So mm uh are are are 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1681.64 1688.71 Bu but even even in the case of twenty five to thirty five it's quite popular, right? 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1683.16 1686.51 Yeah, I d well we've we've got quite a d decent T. V. . 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1684.01 1684.58 Mm. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1687.72 1689.83 Yeah, we're still yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1689.83 1693.2 Or w maybe we can just kind of uh uh 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1688.3 1688.78 Yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1689.96 1690.46 Yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1691.99 1698.09 I think I think the fact that, you know, ninety one point two percent of fifteen to twenty five year olds are saying yes,
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1702.63 1711.28 You know, so I mean that and the disposable income and I don't think it's something to ignore, you know. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1698.09 1702.63 I would pay more for a voice recognition remote control, does say quite a lot really. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1699.67 1700.01 Yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1700.12 1700.36 Mm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1704.51 1704.91 Yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1711.56 1717.76 Yeah, but at the same time I think maybe we can we can just decide to to have both of these groups as our target 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1717.76 1720.55 because actually I mean they're all still re young people. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1720.55 1721.05 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1717.25 1717.65 Yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1719.03 1720.73 Is not a massive difference, you know. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1720.73 1722.03 No, do totally. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1720.7 1727.13 Yeah, if we ta if we take fifteen to thirty five, but that then does imply that we should try and incorporate voice recognition. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1727.13 1731.19 Is that gonna have a an implication for the technical specs? 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1721.89 1722.1 Mm. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1723.7 1724.01 Yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1734.76 1737.16 but voice recognition itself I'm not very sure about 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1742.78 1744.84 Uh and uh 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1727.42 1734.76 Um I was having a a general outlook on um m most like sophisticated features 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1737.16 1742.78 because one of the p uh things that Cat pointed out was uh uh how do we go about implementing it? 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1742.68 1743.06 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1744 1746 You do have it in your mobile phone though, don't you? 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1746 1751.81 Because you have like I mean every mobile phone now has like call this person and it calls them. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1747.59 1748.11 Yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1750.76 1751.52 Yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1751.52 1759.96 But how frequently do we use it anyway and um uh h ho how good is it, you know uh voice recognition softwares are still quite uh 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1752.13 1752.52 Yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1753.86 1754.39 Yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1758.56 1759.02 I don't know. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1759.59 1768.84 With um but with a T. V. remote it's gonna be quite limited if we're t saying the main things people want to do is on off channel five, 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1758.93 1759.59 Yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1760.08 1760.23 An 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1766.63 1767.33 Yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1767.94 1768.27 Yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1769.04 1769.52 Yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1770.15 1770.61 Right. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1770.94 1774.12 louder, tha that should be relatively simple. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1771.15 1772.49 S so 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1772 1772.21 Right. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1774 1774.33 Okay. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1774.33 1774.94 O 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1774.23 1775.78 y you'd maybe need a code word. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1783.9 1786.97 I mean how often do people say remote on T. V. ? 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1786.97 1797.29 Although I only watch Charmed, so really I wouldn't know but like so you'd just say remote five, you know, remote ten, remote one two nine. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1775.78 1776.82 Do you know what I mean? 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1776.82 1783.9 So like when you say change, except that's being said quite a lot on T. V., so maybe like, you know, remote. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1776.59 1776.95 Right. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1776.79 1777.04 Mm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1786.04 1786.72 Yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1786.77 1787.1 Mm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1793.52 1793.82 Right. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1795.43 1795.68 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1795.64 1795.93 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1797.88 1804.66 Okay, so it seems like a feasible thing to implement uh for for a limited yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1799.06 1799.31 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1801.67 1806.21 Yeah, but maybe if you wanna look into that just to just to check. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1806.21 1811.38 Um, so if we go for the the fifteen to thirty five age group 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1816.38 1818.32 Yeah but uh um 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1822.92 1826.46 then they'll they'll still go for the same advertising. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1816.63 1822.92 and then of course we're going to get th anyone who's older than thirty five who wants to look young and hip and trendy and has the money 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1822.18 1823.79 Yeah, yeah sure, yeah, yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1825.8 1826.06 Yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1826.56 1829.85 I don't think there's a lot of uh voice recognition remote controls. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1844.45 1849.34 so the voice recognition would be just an extra, it wouldn't really reduce the size of the remote. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1835.95 1838.22 but I think this is not really the right moment yet,
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1838.22 1844.45 because people are just so used to buttons and um, yeah it's it's kind of safer, so we we need both,
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1829.32 1835.95 Yeah, w well now the v the voice recognition if if it works wonderfully w we could possibly do away with all buttons 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1840.07 1842.83 Yeah, I think we need both. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1842.13 1842.98 Mm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1842.98 1843.07 W 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1844.32 1845.29 What uh 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1847.49 1847.76 Yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1849.04 1849.33 Mm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1849.36 1849.99 Mm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1874.45 1880.97 Yeah, so if uh if something like that can be incorporated, some kind of 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1850.65 1862.24 What wh uh what I was thinking is that there is this uh separation between what the channels are on T. V. and how they are numbered on the remote control. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1862.24 1868.88 If we can do with away with that, our product can be really popular uh in the sense that uh a person can say 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1868.88 1874.45 I want to watch uh I. T. V. one instead of saying that I want to go onto channel number forty five. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1874.1 1874.43 Uh-huh. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1872.57 1874.1 Uh-huh. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1873.99 1875.92 Yeah, that would be another way to do it. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1877.35 1880.77 So that if that was in the the voice recognition, that would be great. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1886.76 1893.58 so then it would be you'd be watching Charmed, and then the Sky advert would come on and it would change to Sky. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1880.15 1886.76 Yeah, but then the code word would be even more important, because I mean Sky advertise on every channel, don't they, you know,
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1883.69 1884.03 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1885.53 1885.81 Yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1885.6 1886.14 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1893.14 1895.44 Watch Sky and yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1894.76 1897.26 Yeah, yeah, and that would be really annoying. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1894.87 1895.37 Alright. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1896.21 1896.86 Yeah, that's 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1897.66 1897.98 Right. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1898.37 1898.92 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1900.42 1902.73 But that's definitely a possibility. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1910.11 1914.04 so it might not pick up the other things coming from there. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1900.72 1902.36 Yeah but m but on the other hand 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1902.36 1910.11 remote control isn't as close to you you probably might just just uh speak into it and and the T. V. would be already further away 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1901.16 1901.51 Mm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1908.04 1908.32 Yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1911.95 1912.53 Yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1913.55 1918.25 Do you not think that defeats the object of having voice recognition on a remote control though? 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1918.32 1921.12 So that you can yell at it, yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1920.02 1922.39 Yeah, you know, so you have to have the remote control. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1926.63 1929.04 you can look for it later, yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1922.39 1926.63 It's more like if you lost it and it's down the sofa sometime, you can yell at it and it'll just change it,
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1928.92 1929.73 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1931.44 1931.99 Alright. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1940.08 1944.37 because then you could already yell at the television and you wouldn't you you wouldn't need the remote control 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1944.37 1947.55 so the remote control is still something you keep n near yourself. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1932.5 1940.08 Yeah, but then the remote control I think I mean um the idea is kind of it's it's not that it's sitting there on on top of the television 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1946.85 1952.73 Yeah, yeah, I suppose nearer to you but a b like if you have surround sound then 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1955.35 1966.86 Mm yeah and it might become very difficult from a distance for the television to understand what you're saying because of the noise factor for the remote control being cl I mean it'll it'll mm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1955.46 1955.9 Mm. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1962.4 1963.2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1962.86 1963.41 Yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1964.82 1972.07 No, but I I I was just defending the the fact why why we want to keep the remote control close to us 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1972.07 1974.42 a and uh not to yell at it from the distance. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1967.34 1967.67 Yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1972.1 1972.51 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1972.51 1972.96 Yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1974.55 1974.93 Mm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1985.71 1989.47 wherever it is, it'll beep, so we we can probably come to know where it is. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1981.81 1985.71 so you can go and press that button and um and the remote control,
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1974.93 1981.81 So uh wh another thing uh that can be used is that uh there can be a beeper button on the T. V. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1974.66 1974.93 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1983.83 1984.65 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1996.42 2001.17 some like a two p if you bought it in a two part pack, so one part attaches to the T. V. . 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1992.73 1996.42 but i if it was something that you could like stick onto the T. V. or something,
ES2006b H02 FEE021 1987.28 1992.73 That's but then if you're buying the remote separately, but y you could have something 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1988.24 1988.65 Okay. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1988.73 1989.15 Yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1991.99 1992.87 Oh yeah, yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 1995.75 1997.47 Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 1996.29 1998.27 Okay, yeah, mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 1998.33 2004.37 Yeah, 'cause it's it's quite important that you don't lose the the bit to locate the remote control. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2002.76 2003 The l 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2004.1 2007.37 Well that's right, but it solves the problem of having different noises. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 2004.14 2004.85 Alright, yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 2007.27 2008.58 Yeah, definitely, yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2009.17 2009.93 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2009.93 2013.93 Okay, I think we're gonna have to wrap this up um. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2016.16 2019.24 But if we go away with that that kind of general 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2028.16 2035.66 but still have the buttons so it's easy to use, but only those key buttons, the major buttons and then one sort of menu one 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2035.66 2049.21 and then voice recognition included as an option um but that obviously needs a little bit more working out as to whether it's really feasible and some of those problems we were mentioning um. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2020.63 2028.16 um specification in mind that we're looking at fifteen to thirty five year olds, we want it to look simple,
ES2006b H03 FEO023 2032.28 2033.46 The major ones, yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 2040.42 2040.78 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 2040.46 2040.79 Right. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 2045.63 2046 Okay. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2087.1 2089.92 So I'll put it I'll put them there as soon as I've written them. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2081.71 2087.1 It should be on your desktop, so on the yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2056.48 2061.84 complete our questionnaire and some sort of summarisation, which y you'll get immediately by email. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2061.84 2065.73 Send me your presentations so that I can use them to make the minutes 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2051.88 2056.48 What we have to do now is to go back to our little places,
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2075.07 2081.71 Um I'll put the minutes in that project documents folder, but I'll send you an email when I do it, so that you know. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2065.73 2075.07 and then we've got a lunch break and after lunch we go back to our own little stations and have thirty minutes more work. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 2067.52 2067.85 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 2080.67 2083.28 So where exactly is this i 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 2086.55 2086.76 Yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 2085.35 2086.55 Ah, okay. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 2086.55 2086.91 Yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 2089.09 2090.31 Did you find it? 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 2090.31 2091.83 It's just yeah, yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 2090.36 2092.21 Yeah, yeah in that one, right yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2092.58 2094.29 Yeah, and email them round. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 2094.31 2097.71 Oh, so y you want our um PowerPoint presentations in there, hey? 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2097.38 2098.48 Yeah, that would be great. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 2098.92 2099.37 Okay. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 2098.98 2102.88 Oh so so we'll just put them i there, we we yeah, w we won't even okay. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2099.96 2101.5 Oh yeah, put them in there. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2101.5 2103.37 Yeah, then you don't have to email them. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 2101.54 2101.92 There you go. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 2103.51 2105.73 But is everyone's called functional requirements? 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2105.59 2108.66 No, they're all called something slightly different. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2111.86 2116.26 So, if you put them in there, we'll all be able to see them and refer to them if we need to. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2108.66 2111.86 Technical requirements and something something, yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 2105.79 2106.33 No. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 2110.01 2111.84 Okay, so that's good. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 2111.84 2112.46 That's me done. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 2111.21 2111.69 Yeah. 
ES2006b H01 FEE024 2116.44 2117.42 Okay, cool. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2126.98 2128.35 Yeah? 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2117.62 2126.98 Um as to where we're going from here, you're going to look at the components concept. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2128.35 2129.42 Whatever that means. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 2126.42 2126.71 Right. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 2130 2130.25 Yeah. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2130.6 2130.88 Yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 2130.64 2131.79 I guess I'll find out. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2136.39 2147.04 on something conceptual and you're watching trends to see how we go and surely voice recognition'll fall off the map or something that um we'll keep keep our options op hmm? 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2132.05 2136.39 You'll be looking you'll be looking at the user interface concept 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 2134.94 2136.89 Uh something conceptual, yeah. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 2148.27 2150.3 Con components, oh. 
ES2006b H00 MEO022 2145.21 2148.27 Wha what was it again that I was supposed to look into? 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2148.71 2151.89 Components, yeah. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 2151.32 2157.76 Sorry, but um the next meeting um are we going to have it um right after lunch or shall we prepare our 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 2150.57 2151.32 Hmm. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2156.57 2161.81 No, we have we have after lunch we have thirty minutes to ourselves to prepare,
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2161.81 2167.36 so that's fine, w before lunch we just have to complete the questionnaire and some sort of summary. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 2160.15 2162.1 To prepare, okay, yeah, that's good. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 2168.31 2168.76 Okay. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2169.25 2173.83 Right on time. 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2169.01 2169.25 Okay? 
ES2006b H02 FEE021 2173.83 2179.78 Okay, so you can I guess we'll see you for lunch in a sec? 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 2170.61 2171.16 Cool. 
ES2006b H03 FEO023 2178.17 2179.76 Okay, see you. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 10.44 13.85 I don't know if you got a chance to just have a look at it. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 3.5 10.44 So um I sent you the agenda, it was on the in the project documents. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 19.07 26.15 so we'll go round each of you in turn and you can give your presentations on what you've been up to. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 13.85 19.07 Anyway, it's the meeting's gonna follow more or less the same structure as last time 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2.37 3.5 Excellent. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 36.94 49.72 so that's we need to know about the components' properties, materials, the user interface and any trends that the Marketing Expert has been watching. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 26.15 36.94 Um and at the end of that we need to discuss what you've come up with, so that we can make a decision on the key remote control concepts,
ES2006c H00 MEO022 51.36 52.11 Right. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 51.8 52.54 Okay. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 54.7 56.88 Let me we've got forty minutes. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 52.54 54.7 Um, do you wanna start again? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 53.65 54.34 Okay. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 71.45 91.63 so basically I'll start off by uh I thought I'll use the whiteboard because we have so many different options and what we can do is that we can start um uh rubbing off the options that we do not require and putting in the options that uh are m or highlighting or underlining them or something like that. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 55.62 64.08 Right s so I haven't made a PowerPoint presentation, yeah, I I thought I'll use the whiteboard instead. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 64.08 71.45 Um mm, okay 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 59.55 61.83 You haven't made a PowerPoint, okay. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 63.33 64.11 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 65.14 66.9 Let's hope the pen holds out. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 86.72 87.2 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 93.03 93.31 Okay 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 93.31 112.05 so uh I'll start again with a brief introduction to connect that anyway brief introduction to the insides of a remote control and uh then we can probably uh discuss the various components. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 112.05 112.26 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 98.31 98.48 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 136.27 143.78 If you flip the printed circuit board, and this is th the most important point here, uh everything else is kind of 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 127.83 136.27 This basically sends information to a tr uh transistor here, which then uh sends the information to an L. E. D. device here. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 112.96 119.68 Okay, so w what you see here is so this is the outside of the remote, right? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 119.68 127.83 If you open it, you have a circuit board here, right, and this is the chip that I was talking about last time. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 119.36 119.71 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 135.94 136.57 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 192.2 196.66 So that's the important point here, so these are the different options that we have. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 191.9 192.2 Right? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 148.88 160.9 So you see for example a particular button attaches to a particular place on the P. C. B. and uh on pressing this button I a circuit completes,
ES2006c H00 MEO022 144.87 148.88 Okay, so if you flip the circuit board, this is what it looks like. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 160.9 168.42 the information goes to the chip, which is somewhere here and the chip that tra then translates the code into an infra infrared radiation 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 171.57 183.02 So uh the important point that I read over the website was uh that the configurations of these printed circuit circuit boards uh are quite cheap to make,
ES2006c H00 MEO022 183.02 191.9 you can ge get them printed as you want to, so w we can have a configuration um irrespective of the cost, the way we want to have. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 168.42 171.57 which goes goes out through there. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 154.47 154.68 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 183.2 183.67 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 191.52 192 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 198.6 199.57 Okay. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 199.57 203.63 So the batteries, I'll start with the battery, right? 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 203.4 203.66 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 218.54 224.19 Uh thes these are the kind different kind of batteries that the company makes, right? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 208.6 218.54 So they can be simple which is like uh the normal batteries in uh our uh the cells, yeah? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 224.19 224.64 So. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 217.63 217.99 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 226.42 227.85 And dynamos. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 247.5 252.47 So the third one is uh the kinetic energy ones. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 234.64 240.72 So uh I don't know if even if you want to consider this, but these are the different things that the company makes,
ES2006c H00 MEO022 230.49 234.64 Um yeah, yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 240.72 247.5 so th they'll they'll since uh they'll come internally from the company, they'll be eas uh cheaper, uh all these options. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 231.06 232.68 Does that mean like a wind-up one? 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 234.01 236.84 A wind-up remote. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 240.94 241.31 Okay. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 247 247.21 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 253.36 257.73 You could make the hand dynamo into an exercise bike, and then people could exercise whilst watching T. V. . 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 257.98 258.27 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 258.01 260.29 And charging their remote, yeah. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 259.51 263.92 Yeah, and stop worrying about the whole R. S. I. from the remote thing, 'cause that's just 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 284.42 290.55 And the fourth option is the solar cells, which are also made by the company. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 265.75 274.38 The the kinetic energy one is uh that e uh uh they are usually modern watches, since our hand keeps moving, it keeps the watch ticking. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 278.95 284.42 But as soon as you pick it up it moves and then again it uh re recharges or something. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 301.47 304.88 There are different cases that can be provided. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 290.55 292.33 Environment friendly. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 274.38 278.95 But I dunno i if it is a good idea for a remote control, because it'll just lie there for a long while sometimes. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 292.33 301.47 Okay um so I'll list things and then we can come back and discuss what what we think from uh everybody's perspective. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 262.32 265.75 Yeah, it's a good option. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 304.88 314.64 They can be basically the shape of the cases, they can be flat, they can be curved with uh one-sided 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 264.92 266.75 So what was what was this k ka 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 271.08 271.63 Okay. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 271.75 272.45 Uh yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 274.39 274.68 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 276.2 277.2 For a remote, 'cause you 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 277.87 278.16 Yeah. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 279.08 279.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 283.7 284.2 Yeah. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 287.83 288.95 Yay. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 296.85 297.86 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 309.82 310.25 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 316.2 321.72 curved and one side flat, and they can be curved with on both the sides. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 322.42 322.83 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 327.42 328.8 Um 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 324.72 327.42 These are the three options, right? 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 328.35 334.01 Um you mean this would be like the the overall shape of the remote control, yeah, mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 347.91 349.37 Wo wo wood. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 341.81 347.91 um like it can be in plastic, rubber, wood, or titanium, right? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 333.3 341.81 Yeah, would it be flat on both the sides, would be curved from one side, or whatever uh there were different kind of supplements available,
ES2006c H03 FEO023 335.05 336.5 Yeah, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 337.46 338.08 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 337.49 337.85 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 346.8 347.22 Okay. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 345.64 346.8 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 347.65 348.47 Did you say wool? 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 348.77 351.25 Wood, wood. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 351.25 352.3 A fluffy remote. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 350.25 351.45 Oh right. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 349.71 350.25 Wood. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 350.21 351.35 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 351.35 352.85 Not wool. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 352.89 355.78 Yeah, you'll understand why when we get to my presenta. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 379.48 381.97 If we choose this, we cannot use titanium. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 388.06 390.01 Yeah? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 390.01 392.76 Uh okay, the interface options now. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 381.97 388.06 For for these two we can use titanium, wood, rubber, or plastic. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 356.24 357.47 Okay. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 368.86 375.64 so it's kind of um uh it'll be probably nicer to use, because it relates to the overall image of the company 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 392.76 393.17 So 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 355.43 356.24 Oh really? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 357.47 368.86 Um the so uh we can use even um a certain titanium is also used uh in the company to make uh uh some space design equipment,
ES2006c H00 MEO022 375.64 379.48 but uh it cannot be used on a double curved surface. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 357.43 357.57 Huh. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 381.56 381.98 Mm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 387.93 388.37 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 395.44 402.88 we can have push-buttons, like most remotes do and our company is an expert in making push-buttons. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 404.15 405.04 Ooh. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 405.04 411.37 Uh we can have scroll wheels like the ones on um uh mouse pointers uh uh 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 408.06 408.73 Sony. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 409.83 410.15 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 410.93 412.61 Sony Ericsson mobile phones has it. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 413.22 415.59 Yeah, yeah, something like that. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 431.78 434.02 And L. C. D. s, we can have L. C. D. s. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 424.6 431.78 So this is something that has been recently developed by the company, um in the last decade, so not too recent. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 434.02 440.36 So these two are recent and and this is q quite old. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 421.72 424.6 The scroll plus push. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 415.59 421.72 So, and they have they can even have an an integrated uh push-button inside the scrolling thing. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 440.36 443.46 The various electronic options are um 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 414.41 414.58 Mm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 420.79 421.5 Okay. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 439.16 439.84 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 461.51 466.1 but the various integrated circuit options are, we have either a simple one 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 456.51 461.51 The P. C. B. is uh inexpensive, so we can put put in uh whatever we want,
ES2006c H00 MEO022 448.22 456.51 uh so th this concerns firs first of all the the chips I I showed you at uh so there's there's a chip behind this one, right? 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 461.64 462.03 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 468.88 470.1 or a regular 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 472.93 474.32 or advanced. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 476.9 479.34 And uh the price goes up 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 479.96 480.77 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 484.14 486.64 Um okay 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 497.83 504.44 Um the we need regular or advanced for uh scroll wheels. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 481.83 484.14 as we go down, obviously. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 486.64 497.83 so the good thing about uh wh wh why why we would want to use advanced u why we might want to use advanced is that L. C. D. s can only come with the advanced chip. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 496.92 497.41 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 509.26 513.35 Um and the chip basically includes the infra infrared sender. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 508.34 509.26 Right? 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 513.86 514.41 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 515.29 524.09 Uh besides this in electr under electronics uh also the company has started making a sample sender,
ES2006c H00 MEO022 514.61 515.29 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 524.09 532.34 which is did not explained what i what it was, but I'm guessing that uh so they have a sample sender and a sample speaker. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 535.19 540.95 So I'm guessing that uh the sample speaker is probably something like um uh you know,
ES2006c H00 MEO022 540.95 547.27 as soon as you press a button, it it mm uh give gives you feedback, one five or whatever. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 556.92 558.77 So, these are the different options that we have. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 548.53 556.92 Um and uh I dunno whether sample sender sender has to do something with voice recognition or not, but anyway. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 547.27 548.53 Yeah, on. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 547.33 547.8 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 556.41 556.84 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 560.32 567.97 Okay, so th that's that's basically now now uh I think that uh we can integrate um uh you know,
ES2006c H00 MEO022 567.97 578.41 uh the user interface uh and uh the marketing things in that, keep uh taking out things from this and uh underlining things that are important, yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 572.69 572.86 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 575.65 575.86 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 577.73 578.75 Excellent. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 578.75 586.04 Do you wanna stay somewhere near the board, so that if we need to you can sit down, but just we might need you to leap up. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 578.92 579.47 Okay. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 582.01 583.55 Yeah, yeah, sure. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 584.27 584.54 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 583.55 584.27 Sure. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 586.87 588.54 Okay. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 587.76 589.93 What are you, PowerPoint, or 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 589.96 591.76 Um I have some PowerPoint, yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 591.65 592.15 Right. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 591.73 592.48 Okay. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 595.05 596.19 Oh. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 620.04 622.41 Do you think these pens can give you cancer of the hand? 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 622.41 624.49 Some sort of radiation? 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 620.12 620.65 'Kay. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 624.88 627.54 No it's got its little camera in there, plug it in. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 626.69 627.12 Yeah. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 628.98 629.45 Okay. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 629.38 629.72 'S a 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 630.75 631.1 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 629.66 630.75 Yeah, it should should do it. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 633.6 635.25 Right, interface concept. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 636.54 644.7 Um to be honest actually, I mentioned some some of the things which which could fit on the on the this talk um this time 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 647.04 655.25 So um yeah, this time um I might not have them on the slides but I I can just mention them aw again. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 655.25 655.8 Okay. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 644.7 647.04 I m I mentioned them already in the previous talk. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 635.4 636.54 Okay. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 646.7 647.3 That's fine. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 653.19 653.64 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 677.04 684.61 So this would p includes things like shape and size and buttons and um voice recognition as well, and colour, and so on. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 657.27 677.04 So um I thought um I would also include the definition of user interface um so it's the aspects of a of of a computer system or programme which can be seen uh by the user um and and which uh the mechanisms that the user uses to control its operation and input data. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 683.66 684.06 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 685.53 709.83 Um um the method I employed this time was a again having a look to related products and mainly on the internet and then um analyse them uh from the point of view of user fen friendliness and also um whether their appearance was was pleasant. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 709.83 715.03 Um and then um this uh this um 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 715.76 721.88 this can help us to decide which features we want to incorporate in our product. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 721.88 725.36 So some findings um um. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 719.21 719.73 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 741.81 748.7 Um okay, and I thought I would just quickly show some of them that I found. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 726.42 729.35 So in in the case of many user interfaces 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 729.35 739.01 they're just so full of buttons that it's actually uh hard to find the ones you you really um want to use and um and it's just confusing 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 739.01 741.81 it takes y know time to learn. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 750.82 752.99 Okay, some of them are here. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 752.99 758.84 Um well the picture is not very clear, but as you can see, there are actu oi, oh oh oh, sorry for that. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 759.97 760.65 'S go back. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 762.4 763.67 That's nice one. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 762.94 764.46 Ah, no, please. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 767.46 771.41 Okay, so yeah, they're quite big and have many many buttons. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 771.41 775.78 Actually of the of all these I personally p prefer this one 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 789.21 791.11 Um okay. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 775.78 781.68 because it's it's the smallest and and with with least uh with the smallest number of buttons as well. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 781.68 789.21 And I would say even the appearance of some of them is kind of not so nice. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 785.83 786.16 Ugly. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 787.09 787.69 Mm. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 793.08 797.83 So let's carry on with this. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 797.83 798.76 Um 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 800.55 814.15 So uh um o other findings um some new things um used, uh some of them were mentioned already by our Technical um Designer uh. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 814.15 819.3 Our own company has developed a new in user interface uh wait, no this is not the one. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 819.61 830.88 Okay, there is a we can uh include voice recognition and um it allows i it's possible to record eighty different voice samples on it. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 830.88 835.85 Uh so uh this uh this one was already mentioned uh the L. C. display. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 829.72 830.1 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 829.92 830.11 Mm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 834.99 837.03 It's yeah. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 842.37 849.61 And uh our own manufacturing division ha has uh designed a new um 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 836.29 842.37 Um s another new development is a scroll button, which was also th also already mentioned. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 850.32 854.35 uh programmable speech uh 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 855 858.29 mm sorry uh speaker unit I guess it's it should be. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 875.64 882.49 you can pick up the remote control and say something to it like hello and it says some hello and your name or whatever. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 865.7 871.99 but it's once once the mm um gadget uh recognises uh the voice of the speaker,
ES2006c H03 FEO023 858.29 865.7 Um and this means that um once uh uh it it it comes together with a voice recognition 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 882.49 889.29 So I mean this is also one of the n dev new developments which we might consider if we wanted to include. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 871.99 875.64 there can be a um pre-programmed answer, for example 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 858.02 858.27 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 879.93 882.19 Uh-huh, hi yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 882.64 882.91 Mm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 890.96 895.69 Um uh are you sure wha what this means, a spinning wheel with the L. C. display? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 895.69 900.65 Uh oh yeah are th 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 888.74 890.96 Uh sorry, uh can you go back for a second? 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 896.38 898.69 It's like the like you said, no? 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 898.69 900.72 The scroll scroll wheel. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 899.87 901.15 Yeah, you can't 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 907.28 915.17 I wasn't completely sure myself, but I think it's just like um it's it's a wheel, it's like not separate buttons. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 900.14 902.31 No no, the scroll button is a different thing. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 902.31 907.28 I I have a picture if you just a moment, I'll I'll show you. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 915.17 916.7 Look, this one here. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 916.7 922.3 But I'm I'm not really sure whether whether you can really turn it round, it's like you press this or this or 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 915.07 917.32 Oh okay, the iPod thing, yeah. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 916.07 917.43 Oh, it's like the iPod. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 931.91 932.63 It is 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 920.23 921.64 G yeah, no, you can. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 921.64 925.82 It's like it's like where you you know how you have your your mouse 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 925.82 931.91 and y you go round and i it's kind of like that and you spin round and it yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 921.33 923.29 Uh it's the iPod uh kind of uh 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 925.23 926.49 Uh-huh. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 929.48 930.52 Okay, okay. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 927.58 929.48 Alright, right. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 931.88 936.42 So instead of going down you just spin yeah, yeah. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 934.21 938.41 You just go round and it is a bit weird at first, but it's actually very like fast. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 934.42 934.83 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 938.83 939.02 Uh-huh. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 939.02 939.43 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 946.17 951.31 Do you know, if you're lookin if you're th scrolling through the A. to Z. of your music and you're looking for something at T. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 951.31 954.25 then it's a lot faster than the wheel, but you've got a lot less control over it. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 939.42 946.17 I like the the wheels that click on the side you you get 'em much slower, so it's quite good if you like searching quite a lot of stuff. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 945.69 946.21 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 945.72 946.01 Right. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 946 946.61 Uh-huh. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 950.86 951.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 954.57 954.85 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 954.58 954.84 Right. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 954.84 960.89 So maybe I should include that here as well, L. C. D. s um plus spinning. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 955.47 955.84 Mm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 957.6 958.01 Yeah. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 958.84 959.38 Uh 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 962.28 963.04 Yeah. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 978.16 985.4 off, um ch the channels and and then um volume and then the rest would be a menu on the screen. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 964.68 968.71 Okay, and the personal preferences are pretty much the same as as as last time. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 971.29 978.16 Okay, we decided to include voice recognition, so to have the standard uh major buttons like on,
ES2006c H03 FEO023 968.71 971.29 It it has to be small, simple. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 968.6 969.17 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1003.53 1008.69 There is uh I think there is no reason why we couldn't use something like this for for the remote control. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 985.92 995.83 Um and I I also thought uh if we want to keep it small and nice um and actually I I quite like the idea of a scroll a scrolling button,
ES2006c H03 FEO023 995.83 1003.53 I thought it could be for for voice like, I dunno, it mm like on a um i like it used to be on Walkmans or something. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1008.74 1009.23 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1008.93 1009.48 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1010.45 1012.12 So yeah, that's uh that's it. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1012.28 1013.84 Excellent. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1013.84 1017.49 Okay, straight to trends, and then we can discuss it all at once. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1016.98 1017.2 Right. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1025.65 1032.06 Okay, I've put the copy of the presentation in um the yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1031.58 1032.45 Excellent. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1032.45 1037.1 If you two could both do that as well, in case we need to refer to it. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1029.49 1031.58 The project documents. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1033.93 1034.43 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1050.59 1051 Cool. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1058.13 1058.93 Here it comes. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1068.72 1069.38 Okay. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1070.44 1071.83 Fabulous. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1073.29 1082.74 Um so what I did was to search the internet to come up with market trends and you know what users are gonna be wanting in the the near future. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1082.74 1083.25 Okay. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1071.83 1073.29 Okay, cool. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1081.54 1082.17 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1092.36 1101.03 So, I mean the the easy to use thing is fairly low down on the which I think given the target group is what you would expect, really. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1084.59 1085.04 Right. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1085.04 1092.36 Now, the first aspect is apparently twice as important as the second aspect, which is twice as important as the third a aspect. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1092.01 1092.49 Okay. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1096.57 1096.91 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1100.58 1101.03 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1101.75 1106.88 Um, you know, people want something new, something technologically innovative and different,
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1119.64 1121.01 So 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1114.8 1119.64 And um, yeah it wants to look fancy, fancy look and feel. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1106.88 1114.8 so the whole idea with the L. C. D. s and the spinning and the colours and the voice recognition is quite like, quite the thing to go for. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1114.41 1114.82 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1114.67 1115.13 Okay. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1119.48 1126.43 So um uh maybe uh as you're discussing things, is it okay if we just uh keep highlighting things here? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1138.64 1143.3 Okay, I I have a point about L. C. D., I dunno if it is the right point to take it up. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1126.96 1135.38 So mm uh so it yeah, so probably voice recognition is is kind of important, right? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1148.03 1151.79 and the feedback can come through television itself, so do we need an L. C. D. on the remote? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1126.43 1126.96 Right. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1143.3 1148.03 W uh L. C. D. s are basically for feedback, right, to the user who's pressing buttons,
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1135.38 1138.64 Um and an yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1125.71 1126.09 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1123.96 1125.71 Yeah, yeah, sure. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1124.7 1125.77 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1127.73 1130.78 That's over on the interface, if if you could put 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1133.68 1134.1 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1135.74 1140.28 And maybe the L. C. D. and spinning so that means we need an advanced thing. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1146.01 1146.41 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1146.67 1147.08 Mm. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1165.98 1169.61 And if you get the number in wrong, then it's a bit of a pain, so I think,
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1169.61 1173.7 you know, a screen on the remote would probably cut down your time on that. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1173.7 1176.06 But like remotes do tend to get f thrown about a bit. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1152.22 1155.85 Depends how fast your television runs, really, don't don't you think? 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1162.89 1165.98 and then it comes, so i it actually takes quite a long time. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1155.85 1162.89 I mean we've got one of those um Telewest boxes and you put the number in the remote and then you wait and then it goes to the T. V. and then you wait,
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1159.03 1159.32 Mm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1165.67 1166.3 Mm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1166.78 1167.75 Right. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1176.47 1176.9 Right. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1176.57 1182.83 It it is also quite nice though to to have something here so you don't interrupt the picture on the screen, so if you're watching something 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1177.32 1177.71 You know? 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1181.89 1182.53 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1182.8 1185.05 That's true, yeah, that's also 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1183.49 1188.86 And i it would be like I mean if you could make it integrate with the T. V. then it could come up with new information about what's on 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1188.86 1190.97 and you could just see that on the remote rather than 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1190.43 1191.33 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1191.33 1194.28 Rather than having to interrupt your viewing pleasure. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1192.7 1193.05 Yeah. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1215.39 1218.36 you flip it open and, yeah. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1204.91 1209.98 So you can have like what looks like a normal remote control, you know or like a minimalist remote control. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1209.98 1215.39 So you got your buttons one to nine, your on and off and your volume on that and then if you want to mess about with it,
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1194.24 1198.83 But um I think maybe a way to do it would be a similar way to how you have your mobile phone, you know 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1198.83 1204.91 like you have the slidey ones and you have the flippy ones and then the screen's protected so it doesn't actually get scratched. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1194.35 1194.71 Right. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1203.22 1203.97 Mm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1204.55 1204.83 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1208.33 1208.58 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1212.33 1212.85 Mm right. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1214.16 1216.16 And then you can flip it open. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1218.01 1218.32 Okay. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1219.03 1223.93 So now we seem to have a consensus that L. C. D. s are definitely the way to go because of style and 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1222.56 1223.61 Yeah, I think so. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1224.11 1226.52 Yeah, so that kind of decides your whole chip thing. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1226.64 1226.97 Right. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1226.81 1227.22 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1228.05 1229.21 You you agree? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1229.21 1229.97 Maarika, yeah? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1229.97 1230.22 Yeah. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1229.24 1230.02 Yep, yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1231.32 1231.63 Right. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1232.18 1235.6 So L. C. D. s, yeah, definitely. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1235.6 1236.03 Go on. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1232.81 1233.29 Okay? 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1238.01 1241.9 Okay, apparently, fruit and vegetables will be providing inspiration. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1241.9 1245.59 Sorry, I discovered clip art. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1250.25 1253.56 So I mean, I'm taking this to mean, you know, curviness. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1245.59 1250.25 Um so these will be an important feature for clothes, shoes and furniture. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1236.88 1238.01 Cool. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1255.06 1255.52 Do you know? 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1255.52 1258.08 'Cause you don't tend to get flat vegetables. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1258.08 1258.38 You know? 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1256.61 1261.38 Yeah, and possibly even uneven, like not not symmet yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1257.95 1258.1 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1259.67 1261.93 Yeah, bit of asymmetry and stuff. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1261.93 1268.5 But that would be a good way to to get in the whole um R. S. I. issue in there 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1278.19 1283.55 Um yeah, I'm not quite sure about the relevance of material will be spongy. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1268.5 1278.19 because I mean if you think most people use the remote control with their right hand ha right hands so you wanna you curve it so that it's suitable for use with the right hand. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1283.55 1283.96 Um 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1268.46 1268.91 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1268.75 1268.98 Right. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1276.5 1276.83 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1277.89 1278.23 Mm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1278 1278.53 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1283.74 1285.92 Something a bit squishy and 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1285.88 1288.6 Yeah, but I mean y you have to 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1287.16 1296.54 Yeah, we we have we have rubber, but there is a problem that I forgot to discuss with the um with using 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1287.3 1290.3 So it could be like a rubbery yeah, uh-huh. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1299.59 1304.25 Well I suppose you wouldn't get a remote uh an electric shock off your remote control if it was made of rubber. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1304.17 1307.66 Yeah, and it'd help if you drop it, it protects it as well. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1307.84 1309.31 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1308.84 1309.65 To some degree. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1309.86 1318.14 So if if we use uh latex cases, they won't allow us to use solar cells, as an energy source that is the constraint,
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1318.14 1328.08 so um we could use titanium, wood or plastic uh or uh 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1317.44 1317.92 Uh-huh. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1326.29 1333.35 Or if we want to use the the latex, then we have to go with one of the other um power things. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1332 1337.49 If it's made of rubber you could get the kinetic energy fairly easily there, you could just bounce it up and down. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1332.13 1333.26 Yeah, w energy source. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1334.46 1337.91 From from bouncing it. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1337.91 1343.04 You can have it as like a little ball to bounce, that flips open. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1336.22 1342.51 Yeah, tap it on the desk, yeah. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1343.31 1346.61 Um so yeah, um okay. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1340.68 1343.31 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1343.84 1344.12 Mm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1346.15 1350.95 So probably double curved surface is the way to go, yeah,. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1349.39 1351.53 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1350.23 1350.95 Mm yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1358.19 1361.92 then ho how much easy would it be to reach for buttons, etcetera. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1351.75 1358.19 Or or curved at one end and flat on the top, because I I'm not sure if it is flat on both both the sides,
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1361.92 1363.08 Um 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1365.39 1373 It it depends on the whole ergonomics of it, you know, it's like how you put your hands so y it's the least movement basically. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1362.77 1365.39 You have to have a certain element of flatness, I think. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1365.37 1365.7 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1371.04 1371.37 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1371.37 1376.2 Yeah, singe single side curved or double side curved does not say too much, does it? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1376.2 1377.98 It uh 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1372.5 1373.08 Uh-huh. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1393.4 1397.59 you know curved two sides means the whole thing is just a big curvy p thing? 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1386.8 1393.4 Besides, you have four sides to a thing, so I mean does curved one side mean one side is straight and 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1379.37 1386.8 I I have one of those s slidey phones and I mean the back is essentially straight, but it's curvy, so. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1376.21 1379.37 No, I d I don't think it makes a lot of difference. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1384.09 1384.49 Mm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1384.73 1384.93 Mm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1386.44 1388.7 Uh I think uh 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1386.8 1387.93 Yeah, 'cause the 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1389.08 1389.46 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1392.48 1392.78 Right. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1415.19 1419.59 It does not say anything about uh whether technically, you know, this this stuff is available at all. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1397.46 1398.03 Right. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1410.26 1415.19 Uh eith either we have uh a flat surfaced uh case or a curved surfaced case. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1405.44 1410.26 I think uh the onl only options that we have with the case is are these three. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1398.03 1405.44 Di now did it say anywhere in your research material about this sliding stuff uh because um according to the information that I have 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1397.92 1398.25 Dunno. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1410.24 1410.77 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1415.35 1417.55 Nothing to open them. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1431.36 1432.28 Okay, cool. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1420.41 1425.44 Uh it's it's more about the protecting the L. C. D., which I think is where it came from. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1425.44 1431.36 But no, my research didn't tell me anything, which is why we have all the pictures, 'cause I had nothing better to do with my time. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1419.84 1420.41 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1423.47 1425.35 Right, yeah, yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1428.92 1430.23 Right. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1431.14 1431.47 Okay. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1432.85 1433.58 What've we got? 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1431.98 1432.85 Anything else? 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1433.61 1440.94 Uh combine style with a level of functionality, um beauty and practicality and a thing of beauty and p function. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1441.71 1443.91 Okay, so. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1441.76 1442.96 Cool, thanks. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1442.55 1442.7 Okay? 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1443.17 1443.97 Thanks 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1445.78 1451.13 Looking at what we've got, we we want an L. C. D. display with a spinning wheel. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1450.59 1451.62 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1451.62 1459.05 Let's let's try to r rub off things and yeah, so um hand dynamos are definitely out, right? 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1453.65 1455 Yeah, rub off some of those. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1459.71 1466.79 Yeah, it's not that's not streamlined and sexy, having a having a wind up. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1459.77 1462.76 You you got a wind dynamo, yeah. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1460.42 1462.36 Yeah uh-hum yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1466.24 1472.25 Um kinetic energy does seem to have some kind of uh uh appeal, but uh 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1464.73 1466.24 Okay. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1470.53 1470.99 I think tha 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1476.51 1477.32 I mean if 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1473.03 1475.81 It's about the practicality of it really, isn't it? 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1475.81 1476.51 You know? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1473.36 1474.35 it's 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1476.46 1483.67 As against a watch, which constantly keeps moving, this this thing will have to be tapped every time, which which might be very frustrating for the user. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1475.51 1476.46 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1493.31 1494.25 I'd I'd keep it on. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1488.09 1493.31 Pr presumably if they're suggesting it, then we could use it. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1483.52 1488.09 Depends how much how much movement it really needs. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1499.49 1501.87 It has to be at least curved from one side, yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1495.03 1499.49 Um the flat co completely flat case is definitely out, right? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1492.66 1495.03 Okay, let's keep it option uh keep an option, yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1486.12 1492.66 Kinetic energy it needs I don't have too much technical information on that, yeah, right. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1499.07 1500.9 Yeah it's yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1499.1 1503.5 We don't want that it's no it's not not vegetable. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1504.39 1508.98 Um okay, we still have all all the options. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1508.98 1511.18 Wood, do you think wood will be a good idea? 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1510.4 1518.28 N wood is I can't n how do you uh I mean you can't keep it really small uh you can't make it like thin and 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1515.91 1516.34 Mm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1518.71 1519.19 Right. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1519.56 1520.03 The wood thing. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1520.03 1523.28 Because you need to you n you need to put all the technology in 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1523.28 1529.32 so I mean if the case you add the case and it it becomes a bit bulky wi mm-mm yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1519.65 1519.9 Mm. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1519.76 1522.04 I can't imagine a m wooden remote control. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1526.12 1534.16 Yeah if if it is really thin if it is really thin it it's likely to break, it's it's much more uh 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1529.3 1529.58 Mm. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1531.6 1532.37 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1533.12 1541.53 Yeah, and given that we're we're looking at more spongy material preferences, I ha would think maybe rubber or plastic is more 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1533.2 1533.64 Yeah. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1539.47 1541.68 U yeah wood is not really yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1541.16 1541.4 Right. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1541.6 1544.86 Well it's not very cleanable either, do you know. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1544.86 1549.69 It's it's not a practical I mean it's it's alright for a table, but for a remote control, you know. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1543.25 1543.82 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1543.77 1544.31 That's true. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1543.99 1544.31 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1550.35 1551.01 Yeah. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1551 1553.14 And splinters and stuff and 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1552.69 1555.46 Yeah, okay wood is out. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1553.24 1554.09 Yeah. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1555.11 1558.35 It just m doesn't make any sense, I think is the thing with wood. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1556.79 1557.01 Right. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1556.79 1559.62 Yeah, yeah, in the case of remote control not really. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1559.75 1560.15 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1570.75 1575.42 but uh it seems to be out of trend, you know, nobody seems to be 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1559.96 1564.31 Okay, now for the really interesting stuff, the interface. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1564.31 1570.75 Right, so uh the the push-buttons is is our expertise uh in the industry,
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1564.17 1564.55 Yeah. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1574.88 1577.13 You have to have some push-buttons, don't you? 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1575.12 1580.62 Yeah, but you um I think for for the channel numb uh channel numbers you still need them, wouldn't you? 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1580.22 1580.79 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1580.84 1581.98 G yeah, yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1581.2 1582.89 Mm right. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1581.99 1584.48 Yeah, so for channel numbers but 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1587.28 1592.12 if you have an L. C. D. display, then mm you can select almost everything on the L. C. D. display. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1583.52 1587.28 Oh, if if we have L. C. D. displays, that opens up a whole world, you know,
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1590.07 1594.58 But I th yeah but I think the L. C. D. display is kind of yeah 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1605.71 1608.8 then you flip it open, but it's it it's more time-consuming. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1594.58 1601.07 it's faster with a m yeah and w if we dis and when we s um discussed that we might like this flipping open thing,
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1601.07 1605.71 then I mean y you can use it as a normal remote control, but if you do want to use L. C. D. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1592.92 1594.09 Just for fast 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1601.12 1601.58 Right. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1601.54 1601.82 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1603.95 1604.26 Okay. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1604.05 1604.38 Yeah. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1608.79 1614.37 I think this is going back to the the graph at the beginning that I made, where, you know, the buttons that people use all the time 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1607.52 1608.79 Yeah. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1614.37 1618.29 you want buttons for them and everything else menu-driven. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1608.06 1608.36 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1615.62 1616.03 Mm right. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1615.86 1616.09 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1616.22 1619.19 And it yeah L. L. C. D. . 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1622.72 1625.81 Do you do we enumerate everything from zero to nine? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1618.78 1622.72 So uh in in the buttons we have for the channels also we have options. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1625.81 1630.32 Or do we have just uh channel plus, channel minus, just to just to scroll? 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1637.31 1637.68 Um 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1628.86 1637.31 No, no, I mean mm we we definitely need the the numbers, because it's uh otherwise people don't want to flip through all the channels. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1632.75 1633.37 The numbers. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1633.73 1634.11 Yeah. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1636.77 1637.07 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1636.91 1640.24 Do we need them on as buttons or do we need them as L. C. D. ? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1637.07 1637.3 Right. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1638.88 1643.52 Or on the L. C. D. we can, you know 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1641.57 1644.4 G yeah, I would think buttons, yeah. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1641.87 1645.13 Yeah, I would say buttons, because it's yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1644.38 1645.05 Buttons. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1646.86 1648.06 So mm 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1645.3 1646.86 Okay. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1671.33 1673.12 I think is the the the issue there. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1652.01 1657.81 then it should be easier to use than any other remote, and then if someone wants to, you know,
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1645.68 1652.01 It's it's the I think the thing is, so if someone just wants to turn on their T. V. and put on a channel,
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1657.81 1664.66 change the contrast on their T. V. and they should be able to do that and it should be accessible, but, you know 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1664.66 1671.33 I mean most of the time I mean there's a limit to how much the biggest techno geek can spend fiddling with the T. V. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1646.57 1646.76 I 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1650.03 1650.35 Mm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1652.13 1652.5 Yeah. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1653.08 1653.49 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1660.33 1660.7 Alright. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1663.85 1664.25 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1670.8 1671.15 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1670.97 1671.8 Right. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1673.85 1681.29 Okay, so buttons definitely in but oh shall we uh try to draw a prec um 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1680.66 1689.5 I think that's what you guys are gonna do next, so if we put down the key um things that we want. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1683.16 1683.8 Uh okay. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1685.42 1688.17 Okay, okay, so the components. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1688.17 1691.82 Right, so uh what about the the scrolling uh? 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1686.55 1687 Yeah. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1692.81 1699.05 Yeah but n I I'm not completely um completely clear uh I yeah, about the spinning wheel. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1704.37 1709.84 it's uh you can al include everything in the spinning if you yeah, yeah, in that case. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1699.05 1704.37 So I think it it doesn't make sense to have both like a scrolling and spinning thing,
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1702.95 1705.11 E either or 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1707.28 1709.58 Just spinning and not scrolling, I would say. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1707.56 1708.25 G yeah. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1718.13 1722.41 But I mean the the thing with this whole if y you're planning on making it out of rubber,
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1713.13 1718.13 so you have to decide whether you you know, you want to be going so fast or not. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1722.41 1726.73 on the basis that it's spongy, then I'm not sure how well a scrolling wheel would work. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1708.99 1713.13 I would say the s the s the spinning goes at a high speed to th to the scrolling wheel,
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1712.24 1712.62 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1724.36 1724.57 Hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1726.5 1727.9 Mm um 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1736.64 1739.77 Th that would be on one side, uh-huh. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1726.82 1730.15 But if you've got a if if you've got a flipped thing,
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1730.15 1736.64 effectively it's something that's curved on one side and flat on the other side, but you folded it in half. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1728.2 1729.88 Ah, but I mean you can 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1734.85 1738.56 Yeah, but y your spinning wheel tends to go to one side. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1739.31 1743.12 I'm not sure it'll be a good idea to construct the whole thing out of rubber. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1743.12 1744.59 Uh i it 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1742.74 1747.54 Yeah, I um I think so too, I mean the case would be yeah the case would be rubber and the the buttons, 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1743.19 1746.7 No, I think it's just the casing rubber on the outside. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1745.34 1748.36 You want an outside of rubber and then open it up and 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1751.66 1755.34 Everything else in plastic or even titanium if we want to use it. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1747.6 1751.66 Or or at the corners, edges, just the edges covered by rubber or something like that. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1748.07 1748.4 Yeah. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1748.36 1749.53 rubber buttons, but then 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1751.16 1751.42 Yeah. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1753.09 1753.39 Yeah. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1755.25 1757.46 Or maybe like interchangeable cases. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1757.92 1758.38 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1762.49 1766.84 but I have like a you know, obviously my iPod's not made of rubber,
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1758.55 1762.49 'Cause I know like we're going back to iPods again n the whole spinning wheel,
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1766.84 1772.69 but then I have a little rubber case that goes over the top of it and I can change the colour, theoretically, to match my outfit. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1769.4 1771.07 Right, right. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1769.5 1769.7 Mm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1772.65 1779.47 Right, okay, so so that gives us a more trendy look as well. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1779.47 1780.08 Um 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1779.56 1782.73 Yeah, I think the spinning wheel is definitely very now. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1783.69 1788.64 Yeah, and uh we're going more for the trends than for the usability anyway, right? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1788.64 1789.61 So 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1782.98 1783.69 Right. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1783.24 1783.66 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1783.82 1784.19 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1785.94 1788.55 That's right, that's what they're after. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1787.25 1787.63 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1790.76 1791.55 I'll rub that out. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1793.28 1797.63 And uh colours can be provided with the case rather than 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1798.1 1803.52 Um but we still need to te think about the colour of our remote as such, you know, just keep it black, or 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1798.17 1798.97 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1802.24 1807.79 Yeah I think we um it was a a requirement that we use our um th the colours of our company,
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1807.79 1811.15 so would it be like yellow, grey and black or something, or 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1811.55 1812.27 I guess. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1811.91 1814.28 That doesn't fit in with the whole vegetable theme though. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1812.6 1813.07 Yeah, does 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1814.96 1815.85 Bananas. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1815.96 1818.17 Banana's yellow, yeah, definitely. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1815.12 1815.96 Yeah. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1825.77 1826.51 do you know? 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1826.51 1838.76 So you could have like I mean I suppose vegetable colours would be orange and green and some reds and um maybe purple and that and then you'd pick the buttons in company colours to to match with it. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1817.42 1817.99 Yeah 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1817.99 1825.77 but I mean do you think we could incorporate the colours of the company into the buttons and then make the colour of the main remote the colour like vegetable colours 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1826.65 1827.14 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1830.18 1830.77 Green. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1833.39 1833.82 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1838.33 1838.95 Mm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1846.73 1853.1 Uh since we're having L. C. D. s there there's no way that we're will be able to um what we do need to consider,
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1842.22 1846.73 Um okay, if you g go over to uh the integrated circuits. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1857.06 1864.21 but since L. C. D. s seems to be uh a definite yes, so it seems to be one area where we would want to spend. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1853.1 1857.06 however, is that the price is going up for the ever every such thing that we are considering,
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1840.54 1842.22 Okay. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1847.94 1850.97 We need the advanced yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1857.04 1857.35 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1860.84 1861.57 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1865.35 1866.83 So I'll rub off the other two. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1866.42 1866.92 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1868.86 1873.85 So are we discounting solar energy because rubber's gonna be used in there somewhere or 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1874.58 1875.4 That was the 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1875.75 1879.51 Oh is oh the constraint was uh yeah. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1878.14 1880.88 If solar panels with the rubber. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1878.18 1882.84 We can't have solar panels with rubber, so. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1881.5 1882.57 So 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1880.32 1881.5 Yeah. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1882.36 1885.08 Yeah, okay, so we lose that I think. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1886.32 1892.83 Shall we go for if we're going for rubber, we think uh on as our case, and then 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1891.69 1893.01 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1893.01 1895.17 And the buttons as well, I think. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1895.17 1895.52 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1894.76 1895.1 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1897.52 1906.66 I think uh we'll have uh uh using the simple battery will be a safer option as compared to the kinetic energy one,
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1910.17 1913.7 But it does not hold any advantages as such for a yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1906.66 1910.17 I mean, a although it does seem uh interesting. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1897.89 1899.87 We've got five more minutes. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1906.68 1907.2 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1910.07 1910.38 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1910.1 1910.45 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1911.88 1913.86 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1912.21 1913.45 It's just a gimmick. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1919.11 1924.28 Uh okay, so r we understand this better now that uh the the speaker is for the feedback, right? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1924.28 1929.77 It it says uh the things that you type in or something like that, so 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1918.05 1919.11 Okay. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1924.06 1924.69 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1927.44 1928.44 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1928.44 1935.3 I think if we can if we can include them at not too much extra cost, then I'd put them in, but if it's 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1932.01 1937.27 Ye yeah, we we don't have too much information about it, um 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1936.47 1936.96 Yeah. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1936.93 1941.37 Yeah, but it it I think it should be quite cheap because it's from our own company, yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1940.1 1943.07 It's from the company, so 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1941.03 1946.54 Yeah, okay, so so th this is in as well then, the sample speaker. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1945.54 1946.51 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1948.29 1949.68 Okay. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1949.68 1956.36 And the case is curved on one side, but then flat flat, so it's flipped into each other. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1948.78 1949.23 Right. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1952.64 1953.59 Flat on the top. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 1955.6 1956.06 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1955.82 1956.14 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1960.77 1961.13 Okay. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1964.82 1968.59 Can I pull the thing out the back of your computer? 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1966.6 1967.78 Yeah, sure j 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1974.48 1975.4 Just so we can 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1980.22 1981.08 Sorry, do you want me to 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1981.08 1983.15 Nothing, it's right, I'm just 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 1987.45 1987.87 There we go. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1990.52 1992.49 What does um I. C. S. mean? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1992.97 1993.88 I. C. s? 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1993.88 1995.26 Uh integrated circuits. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1997.51 1999.75 So it's advanced integrated circuits? 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 1995.52 1997.51 Okay, cool. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 1999.88 2000.04 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2000.34 2002.5 Uh oh now I've gone too far. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 2004.74 2011.43 Uh um we we're definitely going in for voice recognition as well as L. C. D. s, mm. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 2009.05 2009.47 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2009.86 2010.13 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2015.88 2016.38 We're on our way. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2033.15 2038.33 So we've basically worked out that we're going with a simple battery,
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2038.33 2050.64 the advanced chip and a curved on one side case which is folded in on itself, um made out of rubber and 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2031.43 2033.15 Okay. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 2041.3 2041.48 Right. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 2046.7 2046.89 Yep. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2052.01 2053.11 the buttons are also rubber. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2062.15 2069.71 That's our overall concept, and it's gonna look sort of vegetable, and be in bright vegetable colours. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2053.11 2062.15 We're having push-buttons on the outside and then on the inside an L. C. D. with spinning wheel, and we're incorporating voice recognition. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 2063.13 2064.86 Um 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 2069.78 2070.58 Uh-huh. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 2070.58 2076.44 So w w would with have the spinning wheel inside with the L. C. D., or would it be on the outer 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2076.82 2077.82 I think it's on the 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 2079.3 2086.96 So um actually that could like really cut down your thing, so you've got your outside, which is like minimalist,
ES2006c H01 FEE024 2093.59 2097.88 Um so you've still not got like a lot of stuff in the 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 2076.98 2079.3 Imagine it would be inside. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 2086.96 2093.59 and then you open it up and you've got a screen and a spinning wheel, which you can incorporate buttons into. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 2078.67 2079.1 Okay. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 2080.79 2081.33 Mm. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 2086.69 2087.05 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 2088.56 2089.37 Yeah, okay. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 2092.98 2093.32 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2094.82 2095.19 Yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2093.36 2094.82 Mm-mm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2098.36 2099.07 On the 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 2098.73 2105.73 You've maybe got, you know like if you're modelling on iPod you've got five buttons and a wheel,
ES2006c H01 FEE024 2105.73 2111.04 and four of the buttons are in the wheel, and the other one's the little bit inside the wheel, yeah. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2104.78 2105.26 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2137.41 2138.96 And as well as that 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2138.96 2152.96 the two designers are going to work together on our prototype following those instructions that we've just come up with using modelling clay and you will get extra instructions from your personal coach. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2117.11 2126.33 In the meantime, the Industrial Designer over here is gonna work on the look and feel design, which I'll presume he'll work out what that means. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2153.86 2160.44 And anyone who hasn't put their their presentation in the project documents folder, it would be good just so in case we have to refer to it. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2109.6 2112.66 In the centre, yeah, sure. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2126.33 2137.41 Um the User Interface Designer will work on the user interface design and the Marketing Expert is going to work on product evaluation. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2152.96 2153.86 Is that all okay? 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2112.66 2117.11 Okay, so now we've got thirty minutes before our next meeting. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 2110.96 2111.21 Mm yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 2123.17 2123.65 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 2148.88 2149.35 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 2150.85 2151.14 Cool. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 2154.25 2154.48 Yeah. 
ES2006c H00 MEO022 2157 2158.26 Yeah, okay. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 2159.25 2159.66 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 2165.77 2168.37 Cool, I'm gonna go and sit on my own. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2168.84 2171.42 Y ah nobody wants to talk to you. 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2171.42 2172.51 Unplug yourself. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 2169.36 2172.46 I know, I'm hated. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 2172.46 2173.42 Hmm. 
ES2006c H01 FEE024 2173.69 2177.32 I've got a bit tangled up in all this. 
ES2006c H03 FEO023 2176.08 2180.63 So but shall I move away first or shall I stay here with we need to 
ES2006c H02 FEE021 2179.76 2181.64 I dunno, maybe I would car 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 0 4.65 I'm proud of it. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 4.79 6.25 Okay. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 6.25 9.69 This is our final meeting, the detailed design meeting. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 22.11 26.3 so you can show us what you've been working on so diligently. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 10.85 14.62 And again I'll take minutes. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 14.62 22.11 The what we have to get through in this meeting is firstly the prototype presentation from you two 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 23.52 23.84 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 27.15 27.88 Um then 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 27.5 29 It does look very cool. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 47.9 58.75 Um and then we'll be making sure that our product fits both the evaluation criteria from Cat and the financial limits. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 28.96 38.81 then Cat's going to present the evaluation criteria that we're going to be evaluating this against. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 58.75 66.73 Um and then we uh will have a brief evaluation of the whole process of production and design that we've been through. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 68.73 68.87 S 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 66.73 68.73 So we've got forty minutes. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 38.81 47.9 Then I need to say some st a few things about finance, 'cause we have to check that it's within the finance criteria. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 68.61 70.54 And then do we get to make a remote control? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 70.99 74.09 'Cause we missed out. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 73.7 75.12 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 75.95 76.7 So 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 77.73 84.17 it's now I guess that we're supposed to start at fifteen thirty five, so we've got until four 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 86.33 86.81 fifteen. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 91.57 91.79 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 89.06 91.57 How how much do we have, forty minutes? 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 87.99 89.06 Uh-huh. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 88.98 89.38 Is that right? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 90.48 92.19 Yeah, about four fifteen, yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 90.98 93.26 Yeah, until about four fifteen. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 93.26 95.75 So yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 91.19 91.53 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 95.88 97.84 Okay, so. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 97.36 97.81 Go for it. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 97.81 99.19 Do you want 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 98.75 111.55 So, you said um are are we starting with the the so will you maybe start with like the mm the shape and things and and then I will explain the the user interface th uh things 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 111.55 113.98 like the buttons and the scrolling things and 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 101.6 102.12 Yes. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 102.14 102.74 Presentation. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 114.57 126.71 So um basically going with our trend of vegetables and we selected the colour and approximate shape of banana. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 111.36 113.8 Okay. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 126.71 127.34 Um 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 113.8 114.57 Okay. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 124.59 128.72 You think bananas are a safe thing to use? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 128.72 130.19 It's a bit um phallic. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 132.13 133.07 Um 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 130.84 132.13 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 130.89 135.69 Well, but it's it's just an a approximation. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 144.51 145.61 Sorry, sorry. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 142.66 144.51 Does it vibrate when you press the buttons? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 133.77 136.02 Dual use, perfect. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 136.02 142.66 Dual use, perfect. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 134.91 140.13 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 139.84 142.26 Oh that's just bad. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 138.72 139.84 Oh, your remote control? 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 162.53 171.18 And we have the user interface o in here and uh the the L. C. D. and and the scroll are inside. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 171.18 172.43 Um 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 157.69 162.53 And it flips open on the side, so it opens like that. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 143.55 150.93 Um so basically it's the it's the flip open thing again. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 150.93 157.69 So now we we have the okay, so Ma Maarika will explain you the user interface there. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 150.58 150.94 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 162.19 162.53 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 164.31 165.33 Wow. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 176.84 178.01 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 173.49 176.84 well, everything else is probably user interface, so. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 176.98 177.82 Uh yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 177 180.36 And it's the whole thing's made of rubber, is that 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 179.3 180.35 Oh yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 180.35 181.09 Yeah, it has, yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 179.36 180.1 Rubber. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 181.09 181.62 Yeah,. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 181.26 183.69 Is it to scale, or do you think you can make it a bit smaller? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 189.5 193.77 but um one thing we actually kind of um forgot while designing,
ES2006d H03 FEO023 184.79 189.5 Um it could be made a bit smaller, and and of course it would be and yeah 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 193.77 197.89 that one side was supposed to be rounder, so we said the back side round, yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 189.31 189.42 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 199.89 202.04 I I think it's it's uh 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 195.55 199.89 Yeah, well, but i since it's made of rubber anyway. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 199.99 200.37 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 200.58 200.91 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 200.98 209.36 It l does look like the curvy and then the whole shape's curvy, so I would say that this curvy does look quite like a vegetable. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 205.24 205.49 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 206.96 207.22 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 225.49 233.2 So we have that n uh channels here starting from um uh one two three there would be numbers in in the on the actual one. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 214.32 225.49 So so uh the user interface as as we discussed last time uh mm on on the on the cover we just have the very basic things. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 210.82 214.32 And it's spongy as well. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 209.81 210.82 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 233.2 238.91 So it's four, up to four, up to seven, up to nine and zero, z zero here. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 209.87 210.27 Mm. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 210.27 210.49 Hmm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 212.03 216.11 I wasn't very keen on that, but yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 216.44 216.73 Huh. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 225.37 225.74 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 231.64 232.04 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 235.58 238.16 Six seven eight nine. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 238.16 238.9 I like that. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 239.15 240.04 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 241.93 251.01 It's it's quite standard mm place for it and and also the colour is quite often red, so it's it's kind of user friendly. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 256.33 262.25 And and we would also have a l little um thing saying here, previous and ne prevon prevon next. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 240.04 241.93 And then, well this is on off button. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 251.01 256.33 And then these ones would be for flipping the channels back and like the previous one and the next one. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 250.88 251.24 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 256.18 256.67 Uh-huh. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 261.81 263.11 So where's the volume? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 262.19 262.52 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 263.52 265.12 The volume is is scrolling. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 266.64 268.2 Yeah you just do it like this. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 268.2 276.14 And and and it's it's on the back is mm cover or back lid, because if you flip it open, you can still do the scrolling here. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 265.12 266.64 On the side, this one. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 265.23 266.13 It's on the side. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 266.08 268.5 Ah, you did get that in then, mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 276.1 277.19 Oh okay,. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 276.23 276.58 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 277.38 278.23 See? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 278.23 282.73 So the volume is you just scroll, but then once you flip it open, okay 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 289.27 294.73 You can move back and forth and then if you need to m choose something on the screen, you just push the cen mm the middle button. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 282.73 289.27 there there you have the screen and and you have the mm spinning wheel with options to choose. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 284.45 284.64 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 287.73 288.12 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 294.82 295.08 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 296.3 298.36 Oh, the thing we forgot was like a mute button. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 295.54 296.3 Cool. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 298.89 308.54 Uh no, we we'd not put so on on the cover we have the the bare essentials. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 299.37 300.1 A mute button. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 300.26 300.7 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 301.54 304.51 Well, we'll have this on the screen, on the display. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 305.79 309.6 Y or you could have it so you on the wheel if you 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 307.38 312.08 On the wheel, like if you hold the wheel down then it will mute. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 311.11 315.5 Uh on the L. C. D. we r you know, the main menu will have various options. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 313.7 318.29 Well, but the but the mute yeah, the scrolling is kind of you have to scroll all the way to make it mute, right? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 318.52 322.7 But if you hold it in, if it's a scroll and click so you hold it in? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 318.82 320.52 Yeah, but it's a scroll and click, isn't it? 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 319.29 319.8 Mm. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 321.89 323.92 Okay, yeah, okay. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 322.31 323.1 Okay, cool. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 323.1 324.83 So that that solves the whole mute issue. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 324.57 325.2 Mm. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 325.3 325.66 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 331.17 332.83 You can't really see it in the interface. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 326.88 331.17 And okay, so i so the the voice recognition is also just part of it. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 331.59 332.52 no. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 332.8 336.06 Yeah, it's hidden in there somewhere. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 334.44 335.36 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 335.36 337.86 And we do have the logo on it as well. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 337.75 338.94 Mm-hmm, very good. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 339.85 341.02 So I think it 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 340.61 344.7 And it's with the the black and yellow you're even in the right colours. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 344.54 344.93 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 346.95 351.47 Yeah, I think um we could do l the logo in grey, as it is on the website. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 347.21 347.42 Cool. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 349.94 350.32 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 351.91 352.22 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 351.94 355.64 We ran out of resources here, so. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 352.56 353.31 In the actual one. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 354.52 356.95 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 356.95 358.2 So if you have questions. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 357.2 361.99 You can have a look. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 358.21 360.14 Very good, let's have a look. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 360.14 361.92 Test it out. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 366.22 368.46 Uh it's a sort of intermediate colour, I guess. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 371.28 374.78 Oh, but it it does feel all cold and slimy. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 376.75 379.03 But yeah, uh that's cool, cool. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 374.78 376.75 I hate Play-Do, it's just minging. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 368.93 371.28 Yeah, oh, we hold the remote. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 381.52 391.05 Okay, so maybe if we go on to evaluation cri criteria and then we'll there I suspect we're gonna have a couple of minor finance issues 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 380.47 381.52 Very good. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 391.05 393.89 but um we'll se I'm sure we can get around them somehow. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 381.41 381.97 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 385.6 385.99 Okay. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 387.59 388.53 Yeah, see the budget. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 402.85 405.86 We'll just send all of our manufacturing to 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 406.8 408.36 some nice poor country and 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 409.56 410.86 cut some of the prices that way. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 415.08 418.08 Wales. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 416.04 418.45 Wales, for example. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 421.91 424.31 Right, okay. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 420.36 421.91 Cool, okay. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 419.65 420.36 Mm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 442.34 447.16 So what we're gonna do is prefer prepare the evaluation of the new design. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 436.55 441.3 Fabulous, yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 451.2 457.06 it totally meets with that requirement and seven is, no, it really doesn't, we need to go back and start again. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 441.3 442.34 Okay, cool. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 457.06 458.33 Um, you know. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 447.16 451.2 Um so we're gonna be using a seven point scale, so one is, you know, yes,
ES2006d H02 FEE021 438.02 439.08 Marketing Expert. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 446.86 447.09 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 478.93 482.19 Cool, so these are what they are. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 475.2 478.36 we did manage to do that, or oh no, we really forgot about that. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 459.59 469.61 Basically, what I did was I went through all the like user requirements and things that we've done and we've worked on and like made a list of them. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 482.19 482.56 Oh 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 469.61 475.2 Um you know, so that we can evaluate each one and like so it was about going back to the start and saying oh yeah,
ES2006d H01 FEE024 478.36 478.93 Okay? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 477.7 478.01 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 478.26 478.73 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 482.75 485.41 So for each of these we need to give it a one to seven. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 485.41 485.94 Is that right? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 494.03 498.33 But if you can imagine that they say A., B., C., and D., then that would be really good. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 486.09 493.45 Yes, I did have A., B., C., and D. down here, but it seems to have turned into like just bullet points. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 493.45 494.03 Okay. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 491.16 493.42 Mm dots, never mind. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 502.81 506.52 I guess we'll give it maximum points in everything. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 505.43 509.55 Yeah, the yeah, it's definitely attractive. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 507.55 510.4 Yeah, I agree. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 518.47 521.08 Oh, the locatable thing we actually forgot. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 521.84 525.94 Well, I thought we'd um kinda said that you'd have a little thing to stick on the T. V. ? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 526 526.66 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 526.66 527.92 Shall I just prepare it now? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 526.32 528.7 Yeah, just prepare one now. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 529.06 529.72 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 530.08 531.04 It will be red, too. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 548.49 549.75 Okay. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 549.75 551.74 So, be attractive to look at. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 547.36 548.49 Cool. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 555.37 556.3 What do you all say? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 554.16 555.37 That's this one. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 556.76 560.01 S seven was th the maximum, yeah? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 560.01 561.17 I I go for seven. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 557.11 558.14 So? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 557.23 558.35 I reckon it 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 559.19 559.54 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 559.4 559.74 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 564.57 565.04 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 560.95 564.57 Seven, yeah, it's terribly sexy. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 561.19 564.64 Oh we're all so proud of the. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 568.35 570.75 Could oh no, you can't whilst that's up there. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 570.75 575.21 Okay um uh what I've done on the next page is I've set it up so we just put the marks in. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 564.64 568.35 Okay, so that'll be a seven for A. . 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 561.28 562.79 Yes. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 575.51 576.4 Ah, okay. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 576.08 576.36 Okay. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 578.92 584.32 Except we can't uh we can if we then yeah, I'll take a note, it's fine. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 577.88 578.92 Excellent. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 581.4 584.39 If you take a note of them, and then I'll put them in in a minute. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 587.65 588.4 Cool, okay. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 588.4 590.72 Does it match the operating behaviour of the user? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 580.72 581.4 But that's alright. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 584.39 587.65 Okay, so we're all agreeing on seven for A. ? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 580.26 580.72 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 580.87 584.33 But we can we can I can I can take note uh uh 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 586.99 587.55 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 591.78 593.74 I would think yes, yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 600.8 604.85 so if you're left-handed you're kind of left uh scrolling with your finger. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 591.8 600.8 Um the the only thing that we were considering was that uh this thing is kind of more for right-handed people than for left-handed people 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 592 593.45 I think it does. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 593.91 594.82 I mean 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 593.01 593.91 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 602.79 609.98 Yeah, so y so we we might do we might want to do like a uh another m model another another version 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 609.98 612.28 which is like exactly the mirror image of this one. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 603.38 604.16 Alright. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 612.41 612.85 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 612.58 617.25 But that's gonna be a problem, 'cause you don't always have all left-handers or all right-handers in a family. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 613.16 614.13 But then yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 618.79 622.52 So bu it's it's not a huge problem, because i i it is operatable. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 617.63 618.79 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 617.79 618.35 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 618.82 622.7 I th I think it's not it's not like it's a pen. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 621.27 626.76 But then then I think left-handed people are already used to discrimination anyway, so they just 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 625.2 625.78 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 630.98 636.37 but they can normally do most things right-handed, so I would say it's not such a big issue. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 626.66 630.98 Yeah, but I mean because it's not like it's a pen, you know, left-handed people can't normally write right-handed,
ES2006d H03 FEO023 629.25 629.62 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 632.54 633.1 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 633.28 633.66 Right. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 635.79 642.35 Yeah, because I mean anyway, right-handed people would be able to scroll with it, so i if the majority are right-handed, it's uh 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 636.16 636.52 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 652.89 654.17 What do you what do you all think? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 640.12 644.69 I mean you can you can use your finger to to scroll rather than your thumb. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 638.79 640.12 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 648.17 652.89 So maybe we need to put that needs a little bit of investigation, maybe give it a five, I would say? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 644.69 648.17 So I mean that does kind of negate the whole R. S. I. issue. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 639.77 640.01 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 639.91 640.08 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 642.76 643.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 644.36 644.53 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 644.39 644.71 Yep. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 648.04 648.64 Mm. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 651.29 651.66 Um 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 654.82 655.62 Six. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 655.03 658.92 Or maybe six, because it's just one one i one among the issues, I mean. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 658.92 659.22 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 655.21 655.92 Mm. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 665.2 669.84 I think it's pretty good, but we might want to flag it for management, they want might want to um 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 657.75 665.2 Yeah, I think I think for um I mean most people are right-handed, so in in terms of our greatest target group,
ES2006d H03 FEO023 666.09 666.64 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 666.62 667.72 One more thing is that i 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 670.21 670.72 Okay. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 670.89 675.69 It might be a little clumsy when when it opens up, right, so it opens on the side. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 675.69 677.53 So 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 670.92 671.54 They 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 675.56 676.28 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 680.51 686.15 So it won't be a problem, it will be and it will be it won't be heavy. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 675.6 680.51 No, yeah, but mm but we have it nicely with the hinges here yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 682.3 684.46 So you guys can decide wh whether 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 678.64 682.3 Yeah yeah yeah, I mean yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 680.67 681.09 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 682.46 682.83 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 681.6 682.46 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 685.96 686.21 Oops. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 686.56 689.01 I th I think the alternative is flipping from the top. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 689.59 691.98 Yeah well yeah, but it's it's a bit long. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 693.57 696.63 Well, I mean it can be opened like this of course and yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 691.98 693.57 It's a little bit long. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 689.62 693.78 Yeah, but we which makes it kind of really big, yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 690.88 692.67 The length is gonna be difficu 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 693.57 694.58 Yeah um 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 695.56 697.91 But you were thinking about making it smaller, yeah? 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 698.3 704.87 Uh this this kind of uh makes it more and two, it might interfere with the I. R. channel. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 698.75 699.18 Mm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 699.48 700.25 Because 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 699.77 701.19 S uh slightly smaller. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 701.48 704.88 So you have to keep that side flat. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 705.13 707.55 Yeah, but if we flip it open only as much as that. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 707.9 708.53 Okay. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 709.09 713.94 So it works like a mobile phone flipping, but y you know, as long as that side's flat, than that will work. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 714.21 714.45 Right. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 734.32 735.68 To make it beep. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 715.77 717.48 Okay. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 717.48 721.89 Um okay, so C. . 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 735.68 736.24 Or a buzzer. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 728.24 729.02 There's a locator. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 729.02 734.32 Cool, so that means you need a that does mean you need a little speaker on it though, doesn't it? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 721.89 728.24 Are are we admitting defeat on C. or are we saying we're gonna stick a locator on the T. V. ? 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 716.01 716.9 Okay. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 726.05 729.26 No, we're gonna put it like we've got th there's the locator dot. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 726.22 727.3 No, we have a locator. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 729.25 730.91 Mm that you stick on T. V. . 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 731.07 731.77 Mm. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 735.44 738.37 Yeah well w but l but the speak sample speaker is included,
ES2006d H03 FEO023 738.37 743.07 so it it has some capacity to mm to do some to make some sounds, so yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 735.45 735.92 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 735.72 736.16 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 739.16 739.55 Okay. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 741.1 741.47 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 741.76 744.47 So that's two, so that's seven, yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 747.1 747.85 D. . 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 745.92 747.1 Fabulous. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 744.47 745.92 It's locatable? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 744.68 744.91 Yep. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 748.82 752.17 Intuitive, completely intuitive. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 751.19 752.41 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 752.41 760.39 If uh uh if this means intuitive, if it means the way people kind of are used to finding things and it's I th I think it's 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 758.02 758.36 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 768.87 773.08 I really like the way you have it, but it's not the immediate thing that you're used to. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 759.9 768.87 I'd say six, 'cause the I mean the the standard layout for numbers is three three three and one, rather than the way you've got it. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 770.48 770.93 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 772.35 773.01 Intuitive. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 773.16 774.48 Yeah, and I mean d 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 774.17 774.66 So 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 785.43 786.49 I mean once they get used to it. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 776.01 785.43 it's a it's a new technology so m m might be a little more difficult for people to get used to in the beginni so it is kind of not very intuitive but uh it's a good technology 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 774.4 776.01 And uh even the scroll 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 778.28 779.39 Might be 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 785.06 789.76 But it and it's something that they will be experiencing in a lot of different places soon. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 789 789.41 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 789.13 789.49 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 795.44 800.14 so, do you know, I mean it's obvious how to use it, but you might have to think about it first. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 800.14 802.28 So we give that one a five, you think? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 790.05 795.44 So, should we maybe say f a five and say it is intuitive, but it's different,
ES2006d H01 FEE024 802.28 802.63 Yep. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 790.61 791.59 So l 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 792.48 792.93 Five? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 796.36 796.63 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 802.49 808.03 I'm gonna give a seven in everything, so. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 801.15 802.49 Yeah, okay. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 804.22 805.1 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 802.21 804.22 I'm happy with five? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 802.77 803.04 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 808.48 809.98 Um intuitive 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 805.27 806.52 I'm glad you're accepting this. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 806.52 808.48 It has taken a little while, hasn't it? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 812.21 812.84 but 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 820.07 821.68 Sorry, it's really hard to write on those. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 823.41 827.28 Um okay, cool, E., okay. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 821.68 823.41 I just went a bit mad, didn't I? 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 821.88 823.55 Mm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 828.79 837.14 Um I would guess this comes back from this whole B. thing links in here, so possibly for left-handed. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 840.44 841.37 Investigate. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 843.38 845.23 But otherwise it's superb. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 842.47 843.38 Yep. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 845.64 848.12 So, should we give it a six? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 848.12 848.66 Six? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 847.61 848.12 Six. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 849.36 857.96 Um uh the ergonom ergonomic design well mm I mean I d uh I dunno, I mean the the repetitive stress things,
ES2006d H03 FEO023 857.96 864.33 but then who would be really pushing the buttons so much on the on the remote control anyway, yeah? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 864.33 864.64 See. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 852.22 852.39 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 863.33 864.08 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 864.08 866.33 Yeah, unless you are a all the time sitting. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 867 868.86 Yeah, so it's kinda 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 867.43 867.81 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 869.36 870.94 Well we've banned them from 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 869.54 871.3 Yeah, I I think it is ergonomic. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 869.75 873.98 I used to send fifty texts a day, you know, and I never got repetitive strain injury from that 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 873.98 876.14 so I find it quite hard to believe to be honest. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 873.6 874.11 Mm yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 876.12 876.42 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 876.35 882.66 And moreover it it has um L. C. D. and everything, so that uh you know uh we minimise the pressing of the buttons anyway. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 879.6 880.07 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 880.2 881.64 Yeah, it's varied. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 883.27 883.94 Six? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 882.4 883.27 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 885.48 886.31 Okay, F. . 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 882.56 885.48 Okay, so we give that a six, yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 887.48 889.75 Yeah, it does have yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 888.3 890.44 Absolutely. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 888.45 890.02 Voice control have seven. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 894.01 895.22 That's just 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 890.48 894.01 Hang on, how come it's showing up with the things there but it only had bullet points there? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 894.2 895.97 Ah, that's the second one. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 895.97 900.74 So you must have changed it on this one where it's got score, but not on the previous slide. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 901.13 902.86 Oh okay, cool. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 902.86 905.97 Um right, so. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 905.54 906.83 So it has voice control. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 906.93 909.24 Yes, so that's a seven then. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 909.24 910.28 Um, cool. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 908.42 908.84 Yep. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 909.86 913.2 G. technologically innovative. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 911.3 917.22 Anyway it ha yeah, it's the most sophisticated remote that I ever seen. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 911.44 913.1 Technologi well 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 916.09 921.9 But in terms of the actual technology, none of it is actually new. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 916.4 917.06 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 920.95 926.51 Well mm we have we have the sample speaker as well, which is yeah, it's kind of new. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 924.18 924.72 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 925.4 927.74 Yeah, but I mean you don't 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 927.09 931.51 All of the components have been used in other things before. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 931.51 933.82 But do yeah, yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 930.32 933.28 But at the same time they are all they are all relatively new. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 930.35 932.29 Yeah, but they've been brought together in a remote. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 931.03 936.36 They're never been used i they've never been using remote remote control before I don't think. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 936.68 938.11 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 938.11 939.58 What do you reckon, five, six? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 939.84 942.01 Yeah, what do you all think? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 942.01 942.65 Six? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 941.3 941.87 Six. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 942.49 942.89 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 942.96 946.31 I mean how how far can you go with a remote control, really? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 946.31 948.66 It still has to do what i what it has to do. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 945.05 948.96 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 945.92 947.43 Well, that's it, I mean 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 949.46 954.44 Yeah, but I mean everything has been used in space before it gets to anyone else really, hasn't it? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 954.44 956.53 So, I don't think many peop 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 956.21 957.72 Space remote. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 958 959.38 That's it, they can take it with them. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 959.5 961.74 Put fashion in electronics. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 961.31 963.95 Absolutely. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 963.95 967.51 The carrot banana remote. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 963.52 964.1 Yeah, sure. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 961.83 963.52 Yeah, isn't it fashionable? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 965.32 967.23 It's the maximum fashion. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 967.23 970.9 Fruit fruit and vegetables are fashionable these days, so. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 966.4 968.64 So, we give it seven, and we write 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 973.7 973.99 There we go. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 975.41 977.4 So I think we've done very well, but 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 975.73 977.07 I think that's a. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 978.91 981.56 So, we need the average here, so we got 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 977.8 978.91 Cool. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 977.83 979.26 Very good. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 977.87 979.37 What's the assessment? 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 978.27 978.53 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 981.79 984.51 The average is about six and something. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 984.51 985.83 A little bit over six. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 984.06 985.85 Yeah, one. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 987.24 987.84 Seven 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 987.55 988.38 Or a seven. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 987.76 989.08 There are how many sixes? 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 991.35 991.67 Three. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 989.08 991.35 One, two, three. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 988.71 990.92 No, wait, a little bit under six. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 990.92 991.39 No, wait. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 988.74 995.8 So we've got four sevens, so that's twenty eight, three sixes, eighteen. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 994.02 994.85 And one five. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 996.29 997.73 Oh, three sixes, okay, yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 996.83 1001.5 Fifty one, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1001.73 1003.43 Forty six and five, fifty one. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 997.46 1001.73 Okay, twenty eight, thirty eight, fo forty six. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1003.43 1005.46 Fifty one divided by 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 999.58 1000.86 Four sevens. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1007.45 1008.11 Close enough. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1002.8 1007.45 Six point point about six point five. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1004.02 1005.33 Six point something, yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1005.55 1006.84 Two three four 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1006.13 1008.7 Six point five, yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1007.42 1008.01 Seven eight. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1009.52 1011.62 Okay, that's pretty good, I think. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1012.7 1017.05 Now wait until we get to finance and then we'll see if we can afford it. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1018.52 1022.08 That's all you've got at the moment, or did you have anything more? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1022.43 1024.69 Um no, that's it, yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1023.83 1024.7 That's it? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1025.76 1027.1 So, finance. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1024.7 1025.76 Alright. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1028.33 1029.9 And we'll see if we can 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1035.08 1036.31 unscrew this first. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1041.8 1043.46 Cool, there we go. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1041.94 1043.74 Sorry, this is I'm just um 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1052.77 1053.85 There we go and there are the marks. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1058.26 1059.46 Not anymore. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1056.3 1058.26 Beautiful. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1057.46 1057.64 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1073.47 1074.41 Computer no signal? 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1081.57 1084.29 Mm I guess it'll have to wait for a bit. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1095.64 1096.46 Adjusting. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1100.16 1101.32 There we go. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1104.93 1108.67 Okay, so we've looked at the prototype presentation and the evaluation criteria. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1110 1115.02 And now we have to calculate the production costs. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1115.02 1119.04 So I've got an Excel spreadsheet to help us do that. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1121.04 1122.65 Can you read that? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1122.65 1123.42 Almost. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1138.31 1140.46 One simple battery. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1126.92 1128.67 More or less. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1128.67 1136.15 Um I started filling it in, but of course these are provisional, so we have to go down. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1136.15 1138.31 No hand dynamo, right? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1140.46 1144.14 No kinetic energy, no solar. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1137.81 1138.25 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1138.2 1138.76 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1139 1139.58 Mm. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1145.1 1149.1 The chip, we're going for an advanced chip on print. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1149.1 1152.2 We also said the sample sensor and sample speaker. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1147.18 1148.09 Advanced, yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1152.18 1152.45 Yep. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1153.73 1158.11 Um single-curved surface, so that we can fold it. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1157 1158.36 Yeah, yes. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1159.67 1162.3 Case material we said rubber. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1162.3 1164.55 I don't know what special colour means. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1161.34 1161.76 Rubber. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1162.03 1162.19 Yep. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1165.38 1170.41 Mm anything uh I think which is not more. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1171.02 1173.59 So I think this is probably special co no? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1168.94 1171.02 I think something coloured, yeah, probably. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1172.81 1173.68 It could be 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1172.83 1173.22 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1173.58 1175.47 Yeah, but rubber comes coloured, doesn't it? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1175.47 1176.11 You know. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1174.9 1180.79 Rub rubber comes coloured, it's I would maybe it's like if you want titanium coloured or wood coloured, it's different. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1175.51 1176.07 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1179.58 1183.69 Or maybe maybe if you want some kind of pattern thing on it, yeah yeah, okay. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1182.4 1184.56 Yeah, let's leave it as zero, 'cause it's easy. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1184.68 1184.99 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1184.85 1187.28 Yeah, you might end up having to take off the 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1186.84 1191.89 We we're definitely going to have to so we've got pushbutton, and then we've 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1188.24 1189.5 We have pushbuttons, 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1189.09 1189.26 Mm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1189.14 1190.19 sample sensor. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1191.41 1193.33 scro we have scroll wheel as well. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1196.74 1197.58 S for the muting. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1193.67 1196.74 Scroll wheel with pushbutton we had, no? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1197.01 1199.81 S yeah, yeah, we had, for muting, yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1199.81 1202.29 And we have L. C. display and yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1197.03 1199.31 No uh we we have uh yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1199.53 1199.82 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1201.97 1204.95 And button supplements. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1206.09 1206.96 Um 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1206.57 1207.75 Mm no. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1209.08 1209.3 No. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1209.69 1211.6 We don't have we're not using any of that. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1209.83 1210.36 No. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1211.13 1211.35 No? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1211.28 1217.72 Yeah, but what do we ha we have L. C. display, but but the wh but the s spinning wheel 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1217.88 1222.07 I have think maybe it's integrated with the L. C. display? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1215.33 1217.88 But the the spinning wheel's not there. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1219.19 1219.59 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1222.26 1224.06 Okay, let's yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1222.29 1224.46 We've got more than one pushbutton though, haven't we? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1225.35 1227.91 I think the pushbutton oh. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1228.82 1229.64 'Cause then you have 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1229.67 1231.24 I don't know if that's one 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1230.51 1233.47 That means you can only have twenty five push buttons in total doesn't it? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1233.47 1235.56 Not counting anything, we'd still be in budget. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1234.66 1235.23 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1236.21 1237.33 That seems unlikely. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1239.1 1248.99 Push what uh whether whether pushbutton means that p count by button or do we I don't think that makes sense. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1239.44 1239.63 Huh? 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1239.63 1241.54 Wh wh what is the limit? 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1241.54 1241.88 Uh. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1241.7 1242.59 Twelve point five. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1244.48 1246.27 We have to count all of them, or yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1249.86 1255.55 No it says what what is the kind of interface, if it is pushbutton then you got a zero point five,
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1255.55 1265.74 it's a scroll wheel so we we've put it's pushbutton and scroll wheel and L. C. D. display, so that's that's the three kind of interfaces that we have. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1246.63 1249.86 Mm I don't think so, no. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1249.34 1249.74 No. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1249.74 1251.64 Well it doesn't, but it uh 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1251.28 1251.48 No. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1258.99 1259.28 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1260.79 1262.22 And L. C. display. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1260.79 1261.22 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1262.24 1262.59 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1265.08 1265.99 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1267.65 1271.52 So, as we can see, that's way too expensive down here. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1270.79 1273.32 Wh wh what's our criteria? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1272 1274.41 This sample sensor. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1272.85 1275.68 Our budget's twelve point five. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1275.47 1276.09 Uh okay. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1275.8 1279.45 Yeah, the sample sensor will have to go, 'cause that's the most expensive thing on there. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1279 1285.27 Yeah, so that has implications though for the. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1289.48 1292.85 when you say when you press one it says one or it says hello. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1284.33 1289.48 Uh it does not have for voice recognition, but it does have for the feedback speaker. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1289.72 1290.28 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1290.93 1292.02 For the locator. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1292.69 1294.86 But that's a bit of a gimmick anyway really, isn't it? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1294.86 1296.44 We can afford to get rid of it. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1294.29 1294.8 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1294.55 1297.03 Mm and the locator also goes away. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1301.76 1305.52 Well um yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1297.03 1301.76 But it was very no innovative innovativeness. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1299.4 1299.83 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1300.63 1302.69 So that means no locator, does it? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1306.39 1307.24 I mean does 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1306.69 1308.11 What else does it need? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1307.06 1314.83 Well the speaker uh the sample speaker is is expensive, but we could just have some some very very easy device that just beeps. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1314.93 1319.17 Yeah, 'cause the sample speaker was, I think, more complicated then just a beeping thing. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1315.81 1316.67 This would be 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1318 1322.76 Yeah, yeah yeah there you record your samples your speech samples and 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1318.68 1319.23 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1321.46 1321.96 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1321.46 1323.41 Yeah, okay, so we 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1322.31 1327.77 A also i in the case I'm not sure that you will evaluate this as a curved surface,
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1331.28 1333.72 Uh I mean uh um yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1327.77 1331.28 because it's just rubber, so it's probably a flat surface rubber. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1332.1 1332.41 Uh-huh. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1332.79 1333.69 Okay, yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1338.71 1340.5 Right, so we need one fifty off. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1338.74 1340.09 Um 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1341.67 1346.25 See, I was gonna say the scroll wheel pushbutton thing, 'cause 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1346.36 1348.27 Take it down to just a scroll wheel. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1349.56 1351.1 We could do 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1359.03 1361.92 But how do we make a selection if we d cannot push the button. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1356.95 1359.03 If in the L. C. D. we can scroll, right? 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1350.6 1356.95 So tha that mean that we cannot press how do we how do we make a selection in uh in the L. C. D. ? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1352.77 1354.62 Yeah, then then we would be in the b budget. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1360.66 1367.87 Yeah b no no, you can push this one, but we don't have a pushbutton uh we ca we don't have this muting mechanism for this scrolling thing. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1367.28 1370.26 But that's well you would just have to to spin it down. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1367.36 1367.93 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1369.6 1373.73 You can have to scroll it straight r roll it straight down for for mute. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1372.93 1373.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1374.16 1375.65 So that's point three. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1374.26 1380.9 No w w w but ha it's it's the scroll wheel and I thought we were referring to this as a scroll spinning wheel and pushbutton thing. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1381.17 1385.25 But I mean we can put an additional mute button on the top as well. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1386.27 1386.78 If you 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1389.24 1390.7 That's the spin wheel though, isn't it? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1386.67 1389.24 Yeah, I mean that wouldn't actually cost any more. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1390.7 1392.42 Didn't that come with the L. C. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1392.24 1394.07 That's with the L. C. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1393.46 1394.86 That comes with the L. C. D. ? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1394.79 1395.26 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1395.24 1397.12 We decided, 'cause it's not on our list. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1397.34 1397.71 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1397.48 1399.72 Oh so so the the this is 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1397.91 1398.1 Mm. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1399.68 1401.77 The scroll wheel is on the side. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1402.26 1409.12 So we're adding costs for right, okay uh I mean I think this is good. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1409.44 1409.95 So 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1409.6 1411.67 S so we're point three over. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1411.13 1413.33 We're point three over at the moment. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1414.69 1415.56 It's nothing n 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1415.07 1419.08 Unless we just take off the scroll wheel altogether and just have pushbuttons for the volume. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1420.15 1421.71 Could b still put them on the side. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1423.94 1424.67 But yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1424.67 1426.88 I mean the scroll wheel's pretty cool, but 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1424.15 1425.64 Yeah, I have 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1427.92 1432.23 Instead of scrolling here we have two buttons here, up for up and down. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1432.75 1434.59 Mm uh it sounds good actually, yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1432.23 1432.75 On the side. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1430.1 1430.65 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1431.75 1432.21 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1432.05 1432.46 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1432.65 1433.1 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1433.25 1434.5 Okay, yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1434.61 1437.36 Rather than having three different things that people have to do. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1438.35 1438.74 Okay. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1439.36 1439.86 There we go. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1439.86 1443.6 Oh look, we're way under budget and we'll make huge profits and we'll all get bonuses. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1444.2 1448.62 Yeah, well we could admit to the single curve, couldn't we? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1447.08 1452.59 Or or that we have to have some sort of special colour. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1453.94 1456.05 Yeah, but 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1469.34 1476.01 So did we lose um on our evaluation criteria, as a result of doing that? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1468.09 1469.34 Alright. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1456 1461.99 We we'll leave it at that and then I'll take I can send it back to management and say we weren't quite sure about the colour,
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1461.99 1466.21 if that costs extra then we've still got some space for it, yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1466.21 1468.09 Excellent. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1455.3 1456 So that's alright. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1457.44 1457.87 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1464.03 1464.92 We have, yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1464.63 1464.98 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1465.17 1465.57 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1475.25 1476.24 No. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1476.24 1477.18 No, I don't think so. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1483.16 1486.56 We instead of having scrolling we we just push the buttons. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1478.35 1483.16 Because we keep all the features, we keep voice recognition, we keep L. C. D. display. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1486.56 1488.41 Um yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1476.45 1478.35 Not really, no. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1481.83 1482.02 Mm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1482.95 1483.42 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1483.21 1483.68 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1484.93 1487.92 We just got rid of a gimmick that was never anyway 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1487.92 1493.33 and the scroll wheel is I mean essentially the two buttons that was it's not a great difference I don't think. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1486.52 1486.89 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1492.92 1494.94 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1494.94 1495.62 Alright then. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1493.05 1493.33 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1495.07 1497.07 But we lose the locator. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1501.51 1506.48 But yeah, it's it's not like sample speaker, but it will just beep, so we still have the locate. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1497.69 1501.51 Well we're going to have a beeping thing. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1497.97 1498.47 Really? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1498.16 1499.1 We're gonna have a beep. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1500.74 1502.29 So instead of speaker,. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1501.91 1502.38 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1506.56 1507.18 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1507.49 1508.95 'Kay. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1508.35 1508.54 Cool. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1512.39 1516.07 I think you should make it more vegetable-like. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1510.64 1512.39 That's not a very exciting colour. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1514.68 1515.92 Tha 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1515.43 1518.36 Which colour, the the colour of the phone or the colour of the 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1518.53 1519.96 Oh the the beeper thing. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1521.12 1522.53 But it can be yellow as well. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1522.53 1526.19 It can come in the same colour as the the case. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1521.17 1521.6 It 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1525.41 1529.57 'Cause we we won't have run out of our pot of Play-Doh. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1528.61 1530.15 Yeah, I think Jen wants it to vibrate. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1535.87 1538.12 But only for a very short time. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1530.52 1535.87 Yeah, I know I know, my pen vibrates. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1538.12 1538.88 Um 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1531.69 1534.02 You know, your pen vibrates? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1534.02 1535.28 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1540.17 1541.25 okay. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1542.87 1543.32 So 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1544.4 1546.56 looks like we've designed a 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1548.08 1549.79 banana. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1556.68 1563.57 so it would be good if we could just have a little talk about the project itself and how it went 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1563.57 1569.71 um so that we can feed back to the management for next time they're designing a product. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1552.41 1556.68 Um we need we've just got about ten minutes or so left of the meeting 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1549.79 1552.41 Well done, team. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1571.59 1574.11 I think it mm 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1571.81 1572.18 Cool. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1572.95 1573.38 Feedback? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1573.38 1573.94 Ideas? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1580.21 1586.39 The only the only problem being that at the end we had to cut some things down because of the the budget we had. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1574.7 1580.21 Yeah mm, as far as creativity is concerned, yeah I think there was there was room for creativity. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1584.32 1584.67 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1597.67 1599.2 So, had we known 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1594.33 1597.67 Um we kap kept a adding things randomly. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1587.28 1594.33 I think uh n one thing that was lacking uh was that we did not know what the various things cost to begin with. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1593.78 1594.56 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1594.02 1594.63 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1597.4 1597.62 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1598.05 1600.95 If we'd had that sheet at the beginning should've been like, okay,
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1600.95 1604.69 so we can have that lot, let's just throw it together and do what we can. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1600.38 1603.29 Yeah, that or not, yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1602.1 1602.51 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1602.76 1604.19 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1604.03 1604.83 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1604.83 1609.31 So d all the random decisions at the end could have been prevented. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1608.67 1609.13 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1611.3 1612.48 Mm. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1612.66 1622.04 But in terms of the process of um going and working individually and then coming back to a meeting, that that worked in terms of. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1619.97 1621.29 Yeah, mm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1627.84 1634.05 wouldn't it be great to have a vibrating remote control shaped like a banana,
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1634.05 1641.19 and then, you know, come back three days later and Jen's going look, look, it vibrates and it looks like a banana. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1641.19 1642.92 Um yeah, so yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1623.19 1627.84 It wasn't like we were alone for very long, so you didn't st go off and think 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1621.01 1623.19 I think 'cause the meetings were so regular, you know. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1623.12 1623.59 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1629.05 1630.67 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1630.67 1633.94 Banana. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1636.42 1640.2 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1644.85 1647.89 Yeah, the m the means were very very good, the means we used. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1652.34 1654.58 We like the pens. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1648.12 1652.34 Mm-hmm, the whiteboard digital pens. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1650.12 1652.18 And the pens. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1652.32 1653.61 Uh I like the pens. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1653.61 1654.29 I want one. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1654.29 1656.94 That would just be so cool, to d do all your notes and s 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1656.76 1661.94 Yeah, you could take it to lectures and just write stuff down and have it printed out when you got back to the office. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1661.94 1662.52 They great? 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1659.36 1666.35 Yeah yeah yeah, that's it's it's I wonder what one of these costs. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1660.6 1661.45 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1664.23 1665.73 Do you think they'd notice if one went? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1666.73 1670.74 I don't think you should say that was the recording. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1670.74 1671.92 Okay, cover up the microphone. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1671.92 1675.68 Alright, let's take it. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1675.68 1676.26 Okay. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1670.1 1670.66 Oh okay. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1672 1672.36 Yep. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1675.77 1680.64 But that worked well having having a whiteboard that we could draw on as well as having the PowerPoint,
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1672.36 1675.12 Shh. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1680.64 1688.13 'cause the I find that the problem with PowerPoint often is that it's so static and you can't change it once you're in there, yep. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1675.12 1675.77 Yep. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1685.55 1687.25 It is a bit limiting, isn't it? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1687.25 1687.64 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1686.18 1686.58 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1686.45 1686.93 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1687.78 1692.49 Yeah, and and and this time also the time limits but actually preparing the 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1690.28 1691 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1692.82 1698.33 The thing flew in, you didn't have the whole whooshing thing, 'cause there wasn't time for that, so yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1692.85 1693.35 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1696.01 1696.78 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1698.55 1701.76 That's alright, that always irritates me anyway, yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1697.55 1698.55 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1699.94 1701.85 Not that you can do that on the board, either. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1701.85 1703.57 We could make some little 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1702.79 1707.74 But yeah, but I mean already just just preparing the slides before before the meeting, yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1716.36 1718.57 And yeah, so cool. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1706.29 1712.68 Yeah, totally, I mean that was fairly tight anyway, I mean especially with that last-minute alteration. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1712.68 1716.36 back it, this is just had to be changed. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1708.61 1709.01 Mm. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1711.27 1712 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1711.48 1712.11 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1712.18 1713.87 Mm yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1719.04 1719.46 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1720.28 1722.05 Are we supposed to say nice things about Jen now? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1722.24 1725.53 And presumably you don't you can say nasty things as well. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1726.84 1730.38 I was I was satisfied with with the leadership, yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1725.84 1726.84 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1727.25 1728.77 I have no stake in it. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1728.8 1730 Yeah, definitely. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1730 1733.15 You weren't like a a dictating leader, so that was always good. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1729.88 1730.41 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1737.29 1739.1 I'll leave the room and you can have another go. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1734.96 1737.29 You have to say that, 'cause I'm taking the notes. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1737.18 1737.51 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1738.39 1742.9 I know you've got the pen, you might attack me with it. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1739.73 1742.96 Better than that than the banana. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1741.8 1746.08 And then the teamwork I think I think it worked quite quite nicely, yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1746.02 1750.3 Did anyone feel that they were getting sort of covered up and not being able to 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1744.4 1746.02 I think it worked quite well. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1745.68 1746.17 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1745.73 1746.18 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1751.68 1752.34 say their bit? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1751.76 1755.22 To express them mm mm no. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1753.01 1754.19 Mm. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1754.19 1758.36 I guess it was a fairly small group, so all of us got to express our opinions, yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1756.68 1757.13 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1759.18 1759.49 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1772.44 1774.49 Not quite sure what about. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1774.49 1775.58 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1769.92 1772.44 New ideas found. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1772.6 1780.62 Well it's it's it's pretty new, pretty novel solution for a for a remote control really, all this flipping open thing and 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1774.77 1775.44 Mm. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1778.5 1780.1 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1780.58 1784.77 I don't know, I don't go shopping for remote controls that often, maybe somebody's already though of it. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1782.68 1788.8 Yeah, neither neither do I, but I've never seen anything and and none of my examples were was was like this, actually, so. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1788.06 1788.58 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1788.31 1788.7 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1788.55 1789.15 Hmm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1790.39 1790.66 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1793.96 1797.02 That looks boring, I'll see if anyone's made a remote control. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1791.53 1793.96 I'll be looking out next time I need to write an essay. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1792.79 1793.74 Yeah, that's right. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1795.48 1797.84 Yeah maybe w maybe we could have a patent on this one. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1798.2 1799.52 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1798.7 1800.7 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1801.4 1801.59 Mm. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1799.3 1801.4 Patent patent patent. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1800.73 1801.66 Banana remote. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1800.85 1804.02 I think we'd like to think the ideas were new, but we've got no way of finding out. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1812.64 1813.78 Vibrate. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1811.05 1812.64 Flip. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1805.87 1811.05 Or you can always go to Google and type in banana remote control. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1804.37 1805.87 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1813.78 1815.41 And uh yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1805.08 1805.38 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1810.98 1812.32 That vibrates 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1813.1 1820.99 Yeah, but that would just come up with like other things really wouldn't it. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1817.53 1820.69 Nothing that you really want. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1821.97 1822.76 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1820.69 1821.97 True. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1824.48 1826.18 Okay. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1832.76 1835.91 One Euro left over for bits that we didn't foresee. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1826.18 1832.76 So, costs are within budget, well within budget, including a little what have we got? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1828.77 1829.72 Yes. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1829 1829.66 Yes. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1837.54 1839.21 Um we've evaluated 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1839.71 1840.33 Yes. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1840.28 1841.65 the project. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1847.66 1852.77 And the process wheel didn't really have any major problems with. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1845.52 1847.66 It's in there already. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1841.65 1842.78 You've got the scores. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1842.78 1845.52 Can you put that in the project documents file? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1852.77 1857.75 Were there any was there anything that you found difficult, or anything 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1841.66 1842.89 And it's fabulous. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1844.94 1846.86 It's in the project documents. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1859.07 1861.77 that didn't go as smoothly as you'd hope? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1864.26 1866.59 Otherwise it's it's all fine. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1861.35 1864.26 And my main difficulty was the the time pressure. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1864.08 1864.36 Yeah. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1864.77 1867.95 Yeah, yeah, sometimes it's like a little bit rushed. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1865.2 1866.04 Mm-hmm. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1877.85 1881.22 Although we could have made the R. s better had we had five more minute. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1869.4 1877.85 I thought that was good though, because if you're given too much time then you got nothing to do with your time and um yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1873.12 1875.23 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1879.91 1880.94 Yeah. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1886.8 1888.77 Um I think we're still well within our 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1885.41 1886.8 Okay then. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1889.32 1891.27 Yeah, we've got like five minutes left. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1895.53 1902 We're just too too efficient and you should never drag a meeting on just because you have extra time. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1890.64 1895.53 We've got about five minutes left, but if we've finished, then we've finished. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1890 1890.64 time. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1895.44 1895.89 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1902.05 1903.39 Yeah. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1897.34 1902.05 We certainly are, mm. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1898.15 1898.52 Yeah. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1903.04 1903.68 Yes. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1903.61 1907 So I would say that's the end of that meeting. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1908.33 1909.96 Yeah, it was a pleasure working with you. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1908.34 1910.15 Thank you, team. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1910.15 1915.37 It was very productive day and 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1908.46 1908.61 'Kay. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1909.93 1912.66 Yeah, same here. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1914.64 1916.28 We could draw animals on the board again. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1916.73 1920.51 Mm uh no. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1917.81 1919.1 Mm uh no. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1919.1 1919.83 I don't think so. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1922.64 1923.89 Oh, you don't like anim 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1920.8 1922.64 You can make some animals. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1924.14 1925.27 It's just minging. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1925.27 1926.27 It smells so bad. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1922.57 1924.14 I don't like Play-Doh, no. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1927.99 1929.13 It doesn't? 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1930.58 1931.6 Smells very sweet. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1929.13 1930.58 Smells quite nice. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1929.06 1929.87 It does. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1933.76 1934.14 Mm. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1943.24 1945.42 Um presumably I have to 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1934.7 1940.97 Right, so we have to complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary when they send it. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1940.97 1943.24 I don't know if it's already sent or not. 
ES2006d H00 MEO022 1939.43 1940.97 Was there a questionnaire already sent? 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1942.33 1943.41 No, it hasn't been. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1944.72 1947.33 Do we have to go back into the other room or can we stay in here now? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1947.56 1949.65 I don't see why you can't stay here, really. 
ES2006d H01 FEE024 1949.99 1953.68 Okay, so the other way. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1953.96 1955.16 Did I save this one? 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1955.16 1956.4 Production costs. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1959.52 1961.07 I made your animal for you. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1965.97 1967.33 But it was blue on the board. 
ES2006d H02 FEE021 1961.48 1965.97 It was supposed to be pink. 
ES2006d H03 FEO023 1965.5 1966.65 Yeah, that's the one 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 7.59 8.19 Mm-hmm? 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 21.27 22.1 Okay. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 32.34 33.07 Ooh. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 36.25 36.84 So we're 'kay? 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 36.84 39.34 On the or 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 40.1 40.54 No. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 40.54 42.12 I dunno where to put it 'cause the 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 43.91 44.64 Okay. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 44.64 46.74 Could you s take it off? 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 49.96 51.48 Is that alright? 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 54.25 56.53 or 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 60.35 60.96 Okay. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 64.59 64.98 Okay. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 69.39 70.39 Keeps coming off. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 70.39 71.19 'S fiddly. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 82.23 82.36 Hmm. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 89.47 90.07 Right. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 90.06 91.92 How do we sta wa how do we start? 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 93.95 94.82 Does anybody know? 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 96.87 97.68 Oh, another one. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 107.15 108.52 So that's this 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 111.29 113.8 Oh okay, right. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 112.84 115.59 Are we free to take notes uh 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 117.22 117.52 Okay. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 119.06 124.19 Uh. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 142.26 142.76 Hmm. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 151.82 153.84 I haven't actually looked at this yet. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 148.94 151.82 Okay, just hang on a second everybody. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 153.89 156.56 Ah. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 157.35 158.23 um 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 158.91 159.24 Very nice. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 159.96 163.76 I haven't looked at it, but let's just start it off and we'll see what happens. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 166.18 166.95 If you're all ready. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 167.82 168.11 Yeah. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 177.3 184.2 Opening, acquaintance, tool training and project plan, discussion and then closing. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 173.83 177.3 So is the agenda? 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 189.92 194.76 It's original, uh trendy and it's user-friendly. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 185.75 189.92 Project aim is a new remote control. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 194.76 208.66 Project method, functional design, individual work, another meeting, conceptual design, individual work, and a meeting of details design, individual work and a meeting. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 193.63 194.22 'Kay. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 211.66 212.55 Tool training. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 213.67 221.55 Try out the whiteboard, every participant should draw their favourite animal and sum up their favourite characteristics of that animal. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 222.96 223.83 Okay. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 223.97 224.57 Um. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 228.42 231.28 Uh Miss Industrial Designer, would you like to go first? 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 230.52 231.02 Okay. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 232.11 235.48 So are we supposed to bring the little things for the 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 235.57 239.28 Yeah, why don't you just c, I think just clip on clip do you have a belt? 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 239.98 241.64 Clip. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 240.09 240.36 Mm. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 240.72 242.48 Or put 'em in your pocket, yeah. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 241.74 245.63 Yeah. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 245.63 246.75 okay. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 246.75 248.24 So my favourite animal 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 249.06 250.51 Yeah, what's your favourite animal? 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 252.92 254.21 'Kay um 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 259.83 260.01 Ah. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 265.24 265.89 Is it rude? 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 265.89 267.87 It's an elephant. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 268.79 270.13 That's a very good elephant. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 270.3 271.62 The back end of an elephant. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 271.52 277.05 Oh my gosh, I'm never gonna be able to draw that well. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 274.86 280.41 'Kay, and you want to write up on there, it says you've gotta sum up your f f your favourite characteristics of that animal. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 280.43 286.3 Um okay, it's big, it's got a great memory. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 288.68 288.83 Oh. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 286.95 288.68 Does it? 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 289.7 294.62 Supposed to have a great memory, we say an elephant never forgets. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 294.62 300.26 And uh dunno know why but looks like nice to me. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 300.26 300.97 Nice animal. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 293.17 293.36 Mm. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 293.24 293.51 Mm. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 301.27 302.95 Wonderful, well done. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 302.95 307.72 Do you want to use the wipe the m the wiper and wipe it off? 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 300.18 301.27 Okay. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 304.95 305.33 Okay. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 313.04 317.6 And Mister aesthetics designer do you wanna go next? 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 316.22 318.7 Aesthetic yep, sure. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 317.92 319.48 I have no idea what my favourite animal is. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 320.73 325.14 'Kay, my favourite animal, uh let's see. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 333.67 334.14 Oh. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 336.19 336.76 It's 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 348.63 350.68 Have you not seen Napoleon Dynamite? 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 350.68 351.63 Oh it's a hilarious movie. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 352.35 352.64 And 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 339.61 348.63 It's a liger, a combination of a lion and tiger. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 351.63 352.35 You have to see it. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 336.34 339.61 Dunno if any of you have seen Napoleon Dynamite before. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 342.05 342.58 No. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 342.09 342.73 A what? 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 346.34 346.95 Alright. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 348.65 348.79 How. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 350.26 350.62 No. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 350.61 351.06 No. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 350.63 351.09 No. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 354.05 358.83 and it's best characteristic is it's pretty much 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 360.2 361.17 the awesomest 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 363.59 363.96 animal. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 367.06 371.94 But you have to see the movie to fully appreciate it. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 370.06 370.88 Okay, well done. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 371.65 371.98 Great. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 374.39 374.66 Me? 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 374.95 376.55 Yeah. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 376.55 377.84 Miss mar Miss Marketing? 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 380.43 380.76 Okay. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 382.98 384.37 Not quite sure how this is gonna work. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 384.48 384.89 There go. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 386.12 388.27 Cool. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 388.27 394.01 Uh well I'll try my best to draw. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 401.6 403.07 Can I just draw the face? 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 405.03 414.23 Um yeah, I think you can just draw the face, but then you'll have to describe in writing how the rest of it looks. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 414.59 414.68 Ooh. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 419.76 422.17 It's a cat. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 423.81 426.15 A big fat body and 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 422.17 423.81 Which also has what? 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 420.39 422.24 That's a very pr pretty cat. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 427.61 429.12 big and a long tail. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 429.88 433.79 Okay, do y do you wanna do some write you wanna just write some words about it? 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 430.14 434.83 Why? 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 434.83 437.71 Because um cuddly. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 440.08 442.9 And usually cats are very friendly. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 442.9 443.45 Usually. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 450.82 454.83 And they can feel when a human's got problems so 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 449.53 450.82 They heal. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 447.63 449.53 And they're healing as well. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 453.33 456.12 Wow, so they're kinda spiritual. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 458.13 459.41 So, that's why I like cats. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 460.56 461.03 Well done. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 461.73 462.76 There we are, that's me. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 473.26 473.72 Okay. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 481.02 481.22 Mm. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 481.3 491.96 Um, I don't actually have a favourite animal, but for the for th for this meeting I'll s draw a little 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 502.16 503.46 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 502.69 503.53 Uh. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 506.91 511.32 I honestly can't draw for toffee. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 511.32 511.72 Uh. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 512.32 513.67 Oh that's a 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 510.11 512.32 Really? 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 512.79 513.3 Yeah. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 515.31 521.44 no no uh 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 518.01 522.9 A prairie dog? 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 522.9 523.57 Oh a squirrel? 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 524.42 526.59 That's exactly what it is. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 526.59 527.98 Uh not a very good one 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 531.4 532.42 Not bad I would say. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 532.89 533.66 Yeah, that's pretty good. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 533.99 535.63 Okay, well, you got it's a s 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 541.04 546.64 It's a squirrel, and I like them, because they're cute 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 548.74 550.15 and stupid. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 551.24 551.7 Very good. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 553.77 554.11 Ah. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 554.5 555.38 Alright. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 556.22 560.29 Right. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 560.29 566.62 Okay, so, I guess that was the test to see if this equipment is all working. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 575.09 580.27 Let's move on to the next page. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 580.27 589.42 Okay, project finance, selling price twenty five Euros, profit aim fifty million Euros. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 571.67 575.09 Mm. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 591.64 594.35 Market range internationally sold. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 595.98 601.63 Production cost, ah right it's gotta be can't cost any more than twelve fifty to make. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 595.26 595.98 Yeah. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 598.7 599.24 Ah right okay. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 605.88 615.1 experience with with remote control, so talk about who who's used what. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 615.1 616.25 Any ideas? 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 618.23 619.47 Stuff like that. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 621.12 624.16 Next meeting starts in thirty minutes. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 626.84 628.58 At quarter to twelve. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 632.63 638.24 So I think before we close uh, we are expected I mean the last slide wanted us to maybe discuss longer what our 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 640.91 643.61 I mean if you wanna go back to the last slide. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 639.94 640.91 what our ideas where. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 643.61 644.02 Uh 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 643.73 644.41 Yeah. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 644.82 645.24 Yeah. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 644.92 645.13 S 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 646.02 649.79 Yeah, I think we're I mean before we close the meeting, we're supposed to come up with some ideas for 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 649.73 655.97 Oh k so we're actually supposed to be doing this discussion like right now are we or oh okay. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 655.97 661.21 I thought this was just t giving us instructions for the re to do next, but 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 653.01 653.29 Yeah. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 653.45 653.82 Yeah. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 653.82 654.07 Mm. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 655.04 655.26 Yeah. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 660.79 668.33 Yeah, I think this is just the preliminary, get some rough ideas for what our experiences with remote controls have been and and what we would 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 669.64 672.36 roughly what we would incorporate into a new one maybe. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 673.25 674.9 Okay. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 674.9 677.19 Right, who's got experiences with remote controls then? 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 678.39 679.71 Pretty much everybody. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 678.57 680.01 Yeah. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 679.46 680.63 Yeah, I think we've all got 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 680.78 680.81 Uh. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 682.84 683.52 Um. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 683.49 685.56 Is this a T. V. one we are supposed to make? 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 687.15 688.84 Yeah it's a T. V. remote control. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 685.65 687.15 Yeah. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 688.4 688.76 Okay. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 691.13 692.25 'Kay um. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 691.24 692.37 Well. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 692.89 693 T 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 693.64 695.16 A new remote control for T. V. . 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 700.05 701.12 Um. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 696.44 700.05 What would I like? 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 697.22 698.06 W what 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 703 704.57 You want it big do you want it small. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 706.82 707.28 Medium. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 706.86 714.52 Are we are we going for like like telephones are going little teeny tiny things or we are going for something that's that's big and 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 713.16 713.3 Mm. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 715.69 719.7 Yeah it seems like there's like there's sort of a tension between two ideas, I mean 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 719.7 728.01 you want you want one remote that maybe can work uh all all of the functions of T. V. and if you have whatever associated with T. V. the D. V. D. player,
ES2007a H02 MEE027 728.01 735.65 or something like that, but like at the same time you don't wanna really busy remote with a thousand buttons on it or something. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 727.4 730.7 Video and ts hi-fi and stuff. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 736.25 740.11 Maybe you yeah now th that's the other thing is it's gotta be cheap. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 736.64 736.88 Mm. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 740.53 741.07 Yeah. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 741.84 752.64 'Cause I I I mean I was thinking something that's got different like maybe a a an L. C. D. display on it that's got different pages for different devices, 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 754.01 754.32 Mm. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 754.47 756.87 but that would p that would probably be quite expensive. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 756.85 765.35 But how do we know how much uh, I mean, how much do we have per how much? 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 765.35 766.81 Twelve fifty. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 764.27 765.27 Twelve fifty. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 765.6 767.92 It g can't be more than twelve fifty per unit. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 766.36 766.85 Each. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 767.86 768.87 Per unit, yeah. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 769.35 769.78 Cost. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 770.31 773.1 So do we have to be realistic within the budget or 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 773.8 774.93 Well at the moment we could 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 789.53 793.59 So would be nice to have something that that controls lots of different things. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 774.93 779.21 wa I mean we 'cause we this is what we th what we're doing at the moment is just saying what what we'd like 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 781.62 789.53 some different ideas, we can then go and do the research to find out if these any of these ideas are feasible or not. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 779.21 781.62 and then after we after we've found out what we can like,
ES2007a H01 FEO026 773.9 775.95 Close pr I don't know how much it would cost. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 775.95 776.43 Yeah. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 774.13 774.76 Guess 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 787.82 788.06 Right. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 794.44 794.71 Yeah. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 795.38 795.87 Um. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 795.6 798.39 Couldn't we have like one that comes out? 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 800.08 805.61 Like so you have one in like mm it doesn't have to be really thick. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 807.9 813.8 And then you have one for your D. V. D. and you sort of slide it out, and then you have another one, you slide it out. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 814.69 816.34 And then it all comes compact 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 813.8 814.69 have slides. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 805.61 807.9 I mean remote controls can be thin bits. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 803.49 803.8 Yeah. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 813.31 814.16 'Kay. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 816.92 817.94 Okay, that's. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 818.37 826.34 So it's not you actually just putting three or four different remotes together but making them thinner, and um into one basically. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 817.48 818.37 into one. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 826.08 827.1 Th that's an idea. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 827.51 827.77 Yeah. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 827.56 828.69 So you just flip them out. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 830.49 830.93 Okay. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 839.49 845.69 and then on the other side o one uh a remote control that would be very very simple with just the channel,
ES2007a H01 FEO026 845.69 850.08 program plus and minus, and the just the mute button, for example. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 831.25 839.49 Um have uh one very complicated one on one side with all the D. V. D. and V. C. R. access and stuff 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 850.08 854.21 I can real keep it really really simple on one side and the other side be very complicated. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 854.56 856.51 One side for kids, one side for adults. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 856.25 858.04 I'm not sure if that's like 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 857.33 860.19 Or grandma as well, you know it's like what is the mute button. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 856.44 857.33 Yeah. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 859.44 861.82 I'm not sure if it's a good idea to have a two sided remote though 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 861.82 865.55 'cause it would be very hard to use in the way that you mani manipulate it. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 864.42 871.36 No, but you would slide it into uh someth like something on the back would hold like you wouldn't be able to press the buttons, but 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 869.11 869.35 Oh. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 870.58 871.01 Oh okay. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 870.96 876.54 Like it or something like a flip telephone, something like that maybe. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 871.48 871.7 Yeah. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 875.28 875.6 Okay. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 876.31 877.49 That would be cool. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 877.49 879.98 I was thinking that like a flip. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 877.93 885.25 F flip it open and you've got all the buttons, or you flip it closed and you've just got the basic buttons on the outside maybe. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 885.58 885.81 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 887.23 889.7 Um, oh we've got five minutes left. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 890.57 891.85 Start breaking up. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 895.91 896.98 Um. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 893.8 895.91 Okay. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 893.91 895.03 But okay. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 896.42 898.29 Well we've got a k we've got a few ideas there. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 908.45 910.36 what effect the apparatus should have. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 916.47 920.26 but the the functions that we're sure that we want are that it can control the T. V. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 920.26 924.94 but also devices connected to the to the T. V., I mean, be able to operate 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 910.36 910.9 Okay. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 910.9 916.47 Um so I mean we still have time in our next meeting to come up with the actual concept for the user interface 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 899.43 908.45 Yeah, we should uh I guess by the end of this meeting we should have at least a a rough conception you know stage one was technical functions design 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 923.88 924.33 Yeah. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 926.29 928.55 D. V. D. players, things like that. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 930.71 938.38 I have got I think we should also have a back-up plan of I 'cause I I I just think that it might be expensive to make something that I mean we don't 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 938.38 942.6 we haven't been told it has to be something that will control everything. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 942.6 947.11 We should have a back-up plan of just a really good television remote control,
ES2007a H00 MEE025 947.11 951.58 that just that is just for a T. V., but it's just a really good, nice one. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 942.16 942.46 Yeah. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 943.01 943.3 Yeah. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 947.22 947.45 Okay. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 951.67 951.85 Right. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 953.43 954.08 What do you reckon? 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 955.81 956.37 Yeah, I mean. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 956.3 961.28 See 'cause, I'm just thinking bearing in mind th we've gotta we have to have something that's cheap to make. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 961.3 966.7 Yeah, that's true, maybe we should just concentrate on having a a good T. V. remote, and have it be um 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 966.22 969.21 I think we'll be able to come up with ideas and stuff a lot quicker. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 969.3 975.74 have it be like ergonomic so it's comfortable to use, uh simple to use, and looks decent and 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 970.61 971.02 Yeah. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 975.19 976.52 May w you know, maybe even 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 979.04 981.75 I mean if it's if it's just like 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 975.56 979.04 But what'll make it what'll make it interesting for people to buy though? 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 979 989.27 Or maybe even so something that's for disabled people or so people that uh b don't see very well or big buttons for touchy buttons for 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 988.93 993.41 Sorta find a niche for our remote, like market it to a certain kind of p kind of people, 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 991.91 992.57 Yeah. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 992.34 992.75 Yeah. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 994.52 996.17 certain certain demographic 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 994.96 997.19 Or just one that looks really fucking cool. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 998.78 999.41 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 1003.7 1004.67 Yeah, no I think you're right. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 1003.72 1007.17 Could be really light or, I dunno, something special. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 1007.52 1009.36 Yeah, rathe rather than focus on 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1009.71 1016.27 Otherwise we'll be we'll be here all day talking about do this let's do that n I think we sh I think we should 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 1009.99 1010.86 Y 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 1013.42 1013.78 Yeah. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 1015.84 1021.73 Yeah, 'cause at the end of the day if it says just T. V. remote, doesn't say com combination with all all the r 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 1019.48 1019.74 Yeah. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1027.45 1028.97 but you know, that's 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1021.21 1027.45 I mean obviously everyone we're uh you know uh sounds like we're all a bit sort of gadget heads and we like things that do everything at once,
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1020 1021.21 Yeah. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 1026.33 1034.51 Remotes spinning out from other remotes and having little nested remotes inside. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1030.41 1030.78 Yeah. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1030.88 1031.24 Mm. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1033.73 1034.7 Yeah. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1032.68 1033.73 Yeah, that's right. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1034.7 1038.85 I mean I'd like one that makes tea as well, but that's not gonna happen. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1052.32 1054.36 So maybe something that like 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1036.72 1044.18 I think a flip up thing, 'cause you always have this problem of like if it's on this well I did anyway 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1047.31 1052.32 and you'd come and sit down and ooh, the telephone's the television switched on or something. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1044.18 1047.31 like we had five or six remotes and they would be lying on the c on the coach,
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1055.92 1062.4 does have a lid or closes, so you don't accidentally press a button or record button for something. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1060.54 1065.03 Okay, like a lock f like a lock functs function on it like you have on your telephones, yeah. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1064.44 1064.76 Yeah. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1068.63 1069.47 So make it Yeah. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1065.91 1068.63 But make it like really snazzy and cool people will want it. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1069.8 1071.56 Yeah, it's gotta be sellable. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1071.56 1071.89 Yeah. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1071.09 1071.45 Yeah. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 1075.2 1079.05 so that it's not uh not usable when you don't want it to be usable. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 1071.67 1075.2 Yeah, that's true what you were saying, I mean it doesn't have to have a flip function, it can just have a lock function 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1075.29 1075.61 Mm. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1075.7 1076 Yeah. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 1075.97 1076.16 Mm. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1079.25 1079.58 Yeah. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1079.81 1080.26 Okay. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1081.86 1083.96 It's um it's safer for them, I guess. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1083.96 1085.77 Like they don't flick onto 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1080.79 1081.86 And even for kids as well. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1087.09 1090.74 channels and all that sl flick onto. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1093.76 1095.13 Okay. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1095.13 1098.75 Um alright, so we've got some ideas, we've got um 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1089.69 1093.76 No porn channel for children. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 1093.59 1093.72 Okay. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 1099.68 1102.02 I guess that's good good for now. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1100.58 1101.32 Let's move on. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1102.48 1102.79 Mm. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1107.2 1108.3 Next meeting, uh okay. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1103.03 1107.2 Oops, let's close that. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1107.89 1110.88 W What does I. D. V. I. D. N. M. E. stand for? 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1111.83 1115.27 Industrial Designer um which is 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1113.52 1114.94 Ah ri okay. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1114.94 1116.17 these are requirement specification. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 1115.99 1116.6 That's 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1116.35 1116.94 Um. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1117.65 1118.33 And I'm marketing. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 1118.08 1118.29 Mm. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1122.09 1123.45 So 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1118.59 1122.09 Yeah, there you go. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1124.5 1135.75 User Interface Designer, that's that's that's you, so you gotta you go, you're you're gonna be the one that's working out what what buttons we need. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1135.75 1136.33 Um. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 1126.94 1128.23 That's me. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 1128.23 1128.49 Okay. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 1134.76 1134.99 Right. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 1133.86 1134.76 Right. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1138.31 1145.82 Industrial Designer, you are the one, you know, you're gonna be working out kind of box it goes in, I guess so, um 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1148.76 1153.72 whether it's what goes into the box, somehow. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 1154.54 1155.77 Har how it works an 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 1153.99 1154.54 Mm. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1157.47 1158.38 And in marketing 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1158.63 1160.28 These are requirement specification. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 1158.97 1159.19 Bu 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1160.76 1162.91 User requirements specifications. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1162.22 1163.82 So what the user requires 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1164.68 1165.28 Yeah, what 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 1164.78 1167.83 Do you think our two kind of overlap, because 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1164.97 1165.68 in a remote. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1166.56 1167.52 Right, okay, yeah. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 1167.89 1171.96 Yeah, it does seem like our our responsibilities have some overlap. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1168.24 1169.58 I guess that's what it says. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1168.9 1174.82 You two you two are gonna be just, I think, you just double up, you know, you working together. 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 1173.33 1173.8 Yeah. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 1174.08 1174.42 Yeah. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1176.23 1180.1 You're the one that's gotta go and find out do th do the research,
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1180.1 1185.33 see what people want in a remote, what buttons are used more often, and s stuff like that. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1184.27 1184.58 Mm. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1189.93 1190.31 Okay. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1187.11 1189.93 Oh, we've been warned to finish the meeting now. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1197.21 1197.9 Good meeting. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1196.01 1197.21 Okay everyone, well done. 
ES2007a H02 MEE027 1198.08 1199.59 Alright, see you in thirty minutes. 
ES2007a H00 MEE025 1200.08 1201.88 Yeah. 
ES2007a H03 FEE028 1202.93 1204.79 So, do we take these off? 
ES2007a H01 FEO026 1205.83 1205.95 I don't 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 0.02 1.21 Think we can first 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 9.61 11.14 Right it was function F. eight or something. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 9.71 10.16 Mm. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 13.7 14.49 This one right there. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 14.07 14.27 Tha 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 18.32 20.21 Who is gonna do a PowerPoint presentation? 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 17.27 18.32 Okay. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 17.64 17.88 Okay. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 20.75 22.03 Think we all 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 22.81 23.52 Huh. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 22.96 23.56 You will as well? 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 24.59 25.3 Oh I thought we all were. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 25.3 26.71 Yeah, I have one too, okay. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 25.73 26.17 Okay. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 33.49 33.61 S 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 46.02 46.36 Yep. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 49.27 54.06 Whoops I forgot to put the thing on 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 79.87 80.43 So 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 75.42 79.87 just gonna leave this up here 'cause I'll you know. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 63.91 75.42 I just wanna 'cause basically I can't re I've really crap at remembering everyone's name so I just wanna rather than going uh Miss Marketing and Miss this and Miss that wanted to know your names again. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 63.4 63.91 Right. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 72.11 72.48 Okay. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 74.83 75.7 Okay I'm 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 78.45 79.54 Sure, that's a good idea. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 76.97 78.45 Yeah. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 77.4 77.83 Okay. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 83.2 84.31 C. A. T. H. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 80.45 83.2 I'm Catherine with a C. . 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 86.1 86.76 E. R. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 88.02 88.62 I. N. E. . 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 89.78 94.97 Okay, and Gabriel. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 93.36 94.36 Uh Gabriel. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 99.15 100.1 E. L. is it? 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 99.6 99.97 E. L. . 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 102.58 103.08 'Kay. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 103.97 114.49 And you're s r R. E. I. S. S. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 104.94 106.36 I am Reissa. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 106.36 107.6 R. E. I. S. S. A. . 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 111.18 113.45 Double S. A., yeah yeah. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 113.45 113.93 Sorry. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 117.18 117.91 Okay. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 126.38 128 Uh, right. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 120.95 126.38 'S just a bit nicer calling people by their names I think. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 123.82 124.58 Right. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 125.36 125.75 True. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 131.72 131.93 Mm 'kay. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 143.5 148.38 I am your Project Manager, and, uh yeah, I'm just here to 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 133.01 135.88 Okay, right, welcome to meeting B. . 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 135.88 143.5 Um this is gonna go a lot better than the last meeting, basically, uh 'cause I know what I'm supposed to be doing now. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 163.32 176.24 Um right, this for the purposes of this meeting what this meeting is all about is um I'm gonna have some presentations from all three of you 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 176.24 178.6 what you've been working on for the last 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 153.71 163.32 get people talking and and I'm gonna be making notes and sending them off to the powers that be and stuff basically. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 150.12 153.71 sort of liaise between the three of you and get things going 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 197.36 198.04 Um. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 192.41 197.36 So we're gonna each of you gonna give us a litt a little presentation. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 180.02 188.56 wee while, when you haven't been getting hit with spam on your computers and and, you know, filling out silly questionnaires and things. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 188.56 192.41 But hopefully you've been actually been doing something productive. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 196.88 197.1 Mm. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 199.38 202.4 Then we're gonna work, you know, from each of your presentations. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 202.4 209.12 We'll we'll uh talk about what we actually need as a final coming together of it all. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 209.12 214.38 Um and then we'll, yeah, we'll sort of conclude anything else comes up at the end of it. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 214.92 215.75 How long is the meeting? 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 228.63 236.64 Um if you haven't done a PowerPoint thingy, it doesn't matter, it it just it just says that you it's that's just one particular medium. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 216.13 217.79 This meeting it's not very long. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 241.3 247.72 you can talk to us, you can you know however you want to do your little presentation, basically, you can. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 221.2 228.63 So I want each of your presentations to not be too long, five five minutes, something like that. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 236.64 241.3 If you haven't had time to prepare one, you can draw stuff on the noteboard,
ES2007b H00 MEE025 217.79 221.2 It's uh probably down to about thirty five minutes now. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 220.88 221.09 Okay. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 225.55 227.28 No problem. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 262.77 264.33 Reissa 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 261.04 262.77 You okay over there? 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 248.56 251.83 Don't feel pressurised into using this thing. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 255.17 257.31 Uh okay. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 251.83 255.17 'Cause I don't. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 264.33 273.19 are you uh b are you joining in with this meeting here or are y or are y or are you are you just are you just uh doing some Internet shopping there? 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 257.31 261.04 So um. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 263.87 264.2 Yeah. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 263.08 263.87 I'm fine. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 267.74 270.01 D I mean, I I'm finishing off my presentation. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 266.3 267.74 I uh yeah, yeah. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 267.06 269.16 Think she's finishing up her presentation. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 271.33 272.39 No no. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 274.75 275.02 Okay. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 273.36 274.75 Uh I'm done. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 283.2 291.45 I think the first thing we should look at is um probably the um what it is that it is actually supposed to be. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 291.45 295.3 So that's gonna be you Catherine, if we wanna hear from you first. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 274.97 276.27 Okay, jolly good. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 276.27 283.2 Alright, let's have um well, we all know that it's it's a remote control that we're gonna be dealing with. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 283.2 283.45 Mm. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 292.95 293.18 Okay. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 296.5 299.23 Um just connecting this. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 295.31 296.5 Okay. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 314.02 314.76 Are we getting i 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 314.2 317.83 You don't have to worry about screwing it in just there you go. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 318.3 319.88 Cool. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 322.56 325.15 So I've got a very quick uh 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 317.08 318.3 Okay. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 319.88 322.56 Okay. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 316.51 317.08 Really? 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 326.95 327.64 Uh. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 330.48 330.95 Okay. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 332.86 342.94 So the working design, I've got a very quick presentation on this, so um I've oh no, you can't see a thing. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 348.32 351.12 We it's fine on my screen, but never mind. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 351.12 355.74 So um the idea is that we've got the 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 342.94 345.36 Oh well, I'm gonna draw it on the board then. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 345.36 348.32 It's in blue uh, and I couldn't change it. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 345.56 347.48 Oh. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 348.42 348.67 Ah. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 376.41 379.16 Uh and then 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 366.84 376.41 So um I think maybe uh two batteries, I dunno what they're called six, or something like that. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 357.3 366.84 energy source um, which in our case will pr, oh well okay, never mind. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 374.76 375.27 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 380.84 382.84 um 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 386.34 397.95 then on the uh remote control itself will have um the sender for the signal, which could be uh 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 399.67 401.42 an infra-red signal, 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 405.23 411.82 um which will be sent by an electronic chip. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 414.98 420.38 And uh the chip will be controlled by the user interface. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 425.74 438.12 And uh the sender will send to the telly itself an infra-red signal to tell it to switch on or switch channels. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 422.29 425.74 So we'll hear about that later from Gabriel. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 425.59 425.97 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 442.1 446.94 Um and that's it really for the working design. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 448.27 452.84 Great. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 452.84 453.52 Okay. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 453.03 456.67 Sorry the presentation wasn't very uh clear but 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 455.92 458.92 I prefer the pe I prefer the human touch personally. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 458.92 459.6 Yeah. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 457.56 458.35 Really? 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 458.35 458.68 Cool. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 459.95 463.13 Um, should I erase this or 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 462.66 465.83 Do you wanna just give us a moment, I just wanna copy this down. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 465.83 471.66 Um I dunno if you guys have got any questions for Catherine on any of this? 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 464.22 464.56 Okay. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 465.94 466.4 Fine. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 471.08 472.18 Or suggestions? 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 475.81 477.32 Is a battery like 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 478.63 479.77 the only way of 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 481.12 485 Well, it's just, you don't want it plugged in really, s 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 484.87 487.58 Yeah, alternate energy source, like win wind power or 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 487.5 492.92 Yeah, you blow on it and i 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 487.7 488.17 No, no 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 487.84 488.89 In indoors. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 489.35 490.53 No I meant like 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 489.49 492.87 Bicycle power. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 490.99 497.1 No 'cause like cha 'cause always changing um um batteries can get like annoying. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 497.1 502.64 The battery's down and maybe, I dunno, solar charged? 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 500.31 506.46 I dunno, swi I th I th I think changing your batteries once every six months is not really a pain, but 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 506.4 510.1 Yeah, it's worked for the last fifty years you know. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 506.8 508.38 Mm. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 508.38 508.78 Yeah. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 522.22 526.21 I mean, maybe we want one with a strong signal stream. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 517.04 522.22 you know, how far away you can be from the receiving unit, the the T. V., and still have it be operational? 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 514.24 517.04 as far as the infra-red signal, do we have control over,
ES2007b H02 MEE027 510.33 514.24 One question I have, and I don't know how much control we have over this is um,
ES2007b H00 MEE025 526.44 528.85 How far away is your television? 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 527.71 528.08 Yeah. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 531.98 536.78 you kno unless you've got a T. V. the size of a football pitch, it's not doesn't have to go that far, does it? 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 536.78 540.23 Doesn't have to go through a wall, because you're not gonna be looking through a wall. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 529.91 531.98 It's never gonna be more than it's never gonna be,
ES2007b H02 MEE027 530.08 530.46 Uh 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 530.91 532.77 Well, the thing is uh you you don't 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 541.19 541.37 Yeah 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 547.03 550.39 and go into the other room. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 541.37 547.03 but if like you're on the phone in the other room and you need turn television off or something and you don't really want to go into the put the telephone down 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 541.34 541.89 That's true. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 549.16 554.84 Well, we can make the the signal strong enough to go through walls if if you fancy it. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 556.58 557.48 I didn't think about that 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 558.91 560.6 How about Bluetooth? 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 559.24 559.7 but 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 562.77 563.76 Instead of using infra-red, 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 564.98 565.52 use Bluetooth. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 566.98 567.42 Why not? 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 569.22 570.27 Isn't that a better signal? 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 569.28 574.72 I just think that it's it's gonna cost more and I'm I'm not sure it's you're gonna use it. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 577.04 578.15 You know we don't need it. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 572.15 577.04 Yeah, yeah I d it sounds like you you w don't wanna overcomplicate things. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 576.34 576.89 Mm. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 577.66 582.32 It's a fancy idea uh it's quite nice, but then I don't th I dunno,
ES2007b H01 FEO026 582.32 585.88 either you if you wanna watch the telly you're in the room, you are gonna 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 586.19 591.66 Basically, we're we're desi we're designing and marketing a television remote control unit. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 599.66 602.14 It's uh 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 591.66 599.66 We're not w w w w designing something that you can plug in a headset to and and you know connect to your laptop computer and stuff. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 585.12 586.19 Yeah, exactly. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 586.46 586.83 But 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 602.12 602.36 Mm. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 603.07 606.42 Oh, we can we can keep the idea if you i 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 609.12 612.25 We can see at a later stage, maybe, I don't 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 609.45 610.14 'S just an idea. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 612.79 613.32 Okay. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 636.55 643.73 Um Gab Gabriel let's uh let's hear from you on on on such things. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 632.22 636.55 Right, well done, Catherine. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 640 640.4 Okay. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 642.32 643.38 Do you need the border? 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 643.33 645.59 Uh I'm just gonna use the PowerPoint uh. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 644.6 644.78 Okay. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 667.45 668.46 Sorry. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 669.04 670.74 Okay. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 668.41 669.04 Technical. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 691.65 692.24 Adjusting. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 691.7 694.51 Okay, so, while this is warming up, there it is uh. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 693.86 694.05 Yeah. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 695.57 699.93 So I'm doing the user interface design. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 700.22 701.06 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 701.2 705.89 Yeah, and basically uh, as far as methods, I was I was looking looking at 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 707.48 712.99 looking at uh already existing remotes, trying to find some inspiration from designs that are already out there. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 728.73 734.17 that has their favourite functionalities um and and does the basics, but 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 723.61 728.73 we don't want to do something that's too radical of a change, I guess, I mean people want a remote that's familiar,
ES2007b H02 MEE027 714.39 723.61 Thinking of what we can retain, what we can do away with, uh what we what we can perfect a little bit as far as design um. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 733.2 734.26 Mm yeah. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 734.76 737.29 Um so we can improve what's out there and maintain that, 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 738.37 740.01 the basic functionality that people want. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 742.79 748.09 Um so things that seem like absolute must-haves uh would be a volume control, 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 770.79 774.77 Uh, I don't I dunno, uh that's one possibility. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 759.33 764.29 rather than doing up-down, and uh a mute button. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 754.08 759.33 but then also a numerical key pad so that they can just key directly to the channel that they want,
ES2007b H02 MEE027 764.29 770.79 Uh one thing that I didn't include here, that I forgot that we talked about last time, was doing um some sort of lock uh function. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 749.35 754.08 um so up-down keys for that, uh channel keys up-down 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 770.8 771.26 Okay. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 776.71 778.72 And so in the research that I was doing 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 779.74 786.73 there's basically two types of remotes, ones that are engineering centred and ones that are more user centred,
ES2007b H02 MEE027 786.73 791.91 which I don't know if I can access the web page from here, but I can show you uh. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 818.25 825.4 And I judging from what what we all talked about during our last meeting I kind of gathered that that's what we were going after 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 828.88 829.44 Um. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 810.46 818.25 Uh it's it's easier to g just glance at this and see what's possible to do, you're not gonna be staring at it for five minutes. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 801.47 807.28 stop your movie, fast-forward, all this, um freeze frame. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 825.4 828.88 uh or the direction we were going in at least. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 794.27 801.47 So this is a engineer centred one, so you see it's rather busy, but it also lets you play your movie,
ES2007b H02 MEE027 807.28 810.46 Uh and this is a user centred one. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 793.65 794.27 Yeah. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 803.28 803.96 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 811.47 811.89 Yeah. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 818.09 818.46 Great. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 854.21 856.48 So uh, yeah, that's me. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 831.78 836.23 So, the engineering centred ones uh provide a lot of functionality,
ES2007b H02 MEE027 846.81 854.21 because uh we we need to find out what what people want before we make firm decisions on this. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 836.23 841.1 but it can be a little bit overwhelming, so the user centred ones just focus on ease of use. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 841.1 846.81 Uh and this sort of overlaps with what the marketing person uh, Reissa 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 846.91 847.17 Mm. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 851.73 851.95 Yeah. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 863.12 871.73 This w um research that you've been doing looki looking at other, you know, existing units stuff. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 871.73 878.68 Um have you found that anyone else has do has looked into the locking function or 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 857.79 859.63 Okay. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 857.2 857.79 Great. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 859.63 863.12 Now that's I just have a q a q question for you. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 885.13 887.01 That was sort of the inspiration for it. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 887.01 890.79 Um I've never seen that with in in all my years in in the remote business. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 880.9 885.13 I mean obviously another exists like you like you said in in mobile phones. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 878 880.9 No that that that seemed like a novel idea as f as far as I know. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 884.8 885.28 Yeah. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 889.92 896.06 Yeah. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 891.25 894.16 I've, haven't I've never seen a locking functionality. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 895.19 900.89 I dunno, what uh do you guys have a a yea or nay on that a feeling about whether that's really necessary? 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 902.05 902.51 Um 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 903.97 904.99 I would say 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 906.12 907.07 it's 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 911.49 912.7 If it's simple to do, 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 914.16 918.24 which I think it probably should be, even if it's a physical, you know,
ES2007b H00 MEE025 918.24 925.27 a f a like a f a physical switch or a physical cover for the remote, even something like that,
ES2007b H00 MEE025 945.09 952.99 something we should take into account is um we've gotta keep the corporate image within this remote control unit. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 952.99 955.96 It's gotta d look like it's in the R. and R. . 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 936.67 938.1 Look into. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 938.1 945.09 Um I've had word down from head office that something that we should be centred well 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 929.08 936.67 like s you said earlier on ab ab ab a flip thing, something like that, but you know being physical. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 925.27 929.08 um then yes, it's like, you know,
ES2007b H02 MEE027 915.93 916.27 Yeah. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 923.01 923.31 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 925.23 925.66 'Kay. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 932.91 933.31 Right. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 956.72 956.96 Mm. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 957.4 964.83 You know, the the company it's it's, from what I can see from our other products, are yellow with blue writing on them. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 964.83 965.36 Um. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 963.46 964.67 Mm. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 964.04 964.36 Right. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 965.62 968.76 And our motto is is we put the fashion in electronics. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 969.4 970.04 There you go. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 967.46 969.4 We put the fashion in electronics. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 968.97 969.32 Mm. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 969.35 971.38 I think I think we have to carry that mental. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 971.57 978.08 So it's kinda gotta look it's gotta look new and s you know something fashionable. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 978.08 982.85 If if remote control well, if telephones can be fashionable, then maybe remote control units can be. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 978.27 978.38 Mm. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 983.89 984.08 Mm. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 985.14 991.86 we can so we talked about the layout in my presentation and what I didn't mention yet really is is the sort of like the ergonomic design. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 984.44 985.14 Well yeah these, I think 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 991.86 995.4 I t I think we can make big improvements over these two that you see here, I mean. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 991.61 992.63 Because we need 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 991.11 991.61 Yeah. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 995.08 996.74 Yeah. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 996.74 997.16 Great. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 995.92 998.83 Uh, everything is going t ergonomic, you know 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1007 1007.46 Um. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 998.83 1005.91 there's you know mice for your computers that are very ergonomic and keyboards and that could be one of our niches p sort of uh uh in the market 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1005.91 1007 I guess. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1006.76 1010.27 Okay, fantastic. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1012.18 1016.31 Um Reissa. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1016.31 1017.28 Let's plug you in, baby. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1010.27 1012.18 Right, well done, Gabriel. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1010.27 1010.69 Okay. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1015.92 1016.74 Where does it go into? 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1018.33 1019.25 Here? 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1019.25 1019.71 The blue thing. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1018.91 1019.05 Yeah. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1022.09 1025.55 Mm. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1020.19 1022.09 Uh, yeah, this is getting all. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1030.15 1032.98 Yeah, then you just have to do function F. eight and it should come up. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1034.91 1037.42 Well, function F. eight. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1040.23 1043.41 No oh. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1040.99 1043.01 Yeah, w it it just takes a wee while. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1041.34 1042.92 Yeah, it just takes a second uh. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1047.17 1047.69 Come on. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1056.98 1057.61 Okay. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1080.67 1086.38 So seventy five per cent of users find the remote control ugly. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1097.91 1102.98 Um current remote controls do not match well with the operating behaviour of the user. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1057.61 1066.71 Well, for our marketing report uh we observed remote control users in a usability lab 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1054.79 1056.98 Okay. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1089.19 1095.55 Um eighty f eighty per cent of them would spend more money if the rem remote control looked really cool and fancy. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1053.6 1054.79 Right. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1074.26 1080.67 Um total number of people tested were a hundred just so you know, so that hundred people were tested and these were the findings. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1066.71 1074.26 and also gave so this is research and we also gave participants um questionnaires to fill out. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1086.38 1089.19 Okay, so they don't like the look of the remote control. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1095.55 1097.91 So I think we all agree with that. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1104.31 1107.86 So, they don't like like the way they operate it doesn't 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1118.94 1125.03 two, three, four, five, the whole up to z ten, they probably don't use those, they only use the up and down channel. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1109 1112.45 like match how people behave. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1112.45 1118.94 Um per cent of the users say that they only use ten per cent of the buttons on a remote, so probably if you have like one,
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1124.92 1129.97 'Cause we've only got five channels. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1126.84 1129.23 exactly. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1129.23 1130.78 That's another thing. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1130.78 1134.16 Um seventy five per cent of users say they zap. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1135.4 1137.81 Not quite sure what they mean, zap, goes like. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1137.93 1141.17 I think that's k flicking quickly between channels. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1141.59 1143.68 Yeah, you wanna navigate the channels quickly I guess. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1141.89 1142.26 Yeah. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1143.22 1143.71 Yeah. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1155.5 1161.93 Anyway um and they also remotes often get lost in the room, so nobody can find them. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1164.58 1169.33 Um personal preferences. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1147.96 1150.55 I think especially for uh the older generation. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1143.39 1145.03 Mm. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1150.55 1155.5 I know my grandmother doesn't like mobile phones, takes ages to work how to use. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1145.03 1147.96 Um takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1161.93 1164.58 So maybe tracking devices is a good idea. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1161.48 1161.67 Mm. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1164.7 1168.66 Wow. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1168.66 1174.33 You are a child of technology, aren't you? 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1173.04 1179.34 Um so yeah um I was thinking something easy to use, especially for older people. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1186.2 1199.63 And it's easy to find, so I don't know whether maybe and also we asked them whether they wanted whether they'd be interested in um voice activating. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1179.34 1186.2 Um has to look really cool, flashy groovy for people to buy it. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1211.3 1217.16 So fifteen to twenty five said like ninety two ninety one per cent of them said yes. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1224.35 1228.63 And neither did the older generation, but the younger generation who we are catering for,
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1228.63 1233.99 like who have most of the money nowadays, do want a voice act speech recognition in a remote. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1201.13 1202.92 So voice activation. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1202.92 1205.54 So and this was what we came up with. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1205.54 1211.3 Then if you look fifteen to twenty five this is age, sorry, age groups. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1217.16 1224.35 Um so basically the majority except for the forty five to fifty five year olds for some reason didn't want a voice activated one. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1215.33 1216.74 So there you go, yeah. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1235.83 1238.32 It's older generation, they're the ones that have gone out and 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1232.11 1235.02 Uh but do the younger generation have the money? 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1235.02 1235.83 They they don't. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1234.53 1238.34 No I would I would say the older the older people, yeah. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1237.26 1242.01 Well the twenty five to thirty five year old, and thirty five, and the thirty five to forty five,
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1242.01 1246.24 forty five point seven per cent say no, so 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1249.95 1254.84 For people up to the age of thirty five, you're kinda saying, yeah, they want it. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1244.81 1249.95 People people from the age of thirty f there's a big drop off there. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1255.92 1263.2 Um but no they're not sort of most people that have the money are people from the age of thirty five to fifty five 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1263.2 1266.46 uh 'cause they're the ones that have been working for twenty years. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1266.46 1274.46 Um d and tha and that's a that's quite a minority there, so yeah, it's not even like fifty fifty that's th thirty five per cent. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1262.21 1263.71 Yeah, that would be my guess as well. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1264.04 1265.04 So they don't 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1267.33 1268.08 Well 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1274.71 1275.53 These guys are growing up. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1277.97 1281.31 What about just from the the prospective of our manufacturing cost? 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1281.31 1283.91 I mean if if it's twelve fifty per unit. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1283.91 1285.39 I mean, okay, there's 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1283 1283.66 Yeah. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1284.89 1286.74 Voice activation might not be the best. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1286.55 1289.83 I would say scra I'd say scrap that straight off. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1287.44 1287.65 Uh. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1290.96 1301.78 Um also with um with buttons, a thing called R. S. I., so wrist sense Huh? 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1300.28 1304.36 Repetitive strain uh rep repetitive strain injury or like from doing 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1303.49 1311.56 Yeah, repetitive strains injury, so they don't I think people who watch T. V. maybe too often, keep changing channel hurts their wrist. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1311.56 1315.76 I don't think so. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 1309.92 1315.76 Well maybe they shouldn't watch so much T. V. then. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1313.6 1329.22 So y so it's so it's so you got so that's something we should have a look into then i when desi when designing the ergonomics of see have a look if um there's any w any medical background we can find out about this. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1318.79 1320.68 Yeah maybe not so hard. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1319.29 1319.67 Mm. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1322.52 1322.72 Mm. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 1327.32 1331.04 Maybe it could be, instead of pressing button it could be just touching a 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1331.22 1331.6 Yeah. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1332.42 1337.39 Let's jus we just want need to cover our arses so that people aren't gonna sue us in ten years' time 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1337.39 1340.23 say your remote control gave me repetitive strain injury. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1332.59 1333.2 Maybe 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1341.01 1345.45 Yeah, we should probably consult with our legal department uh. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1341.85 1342.11 Mm. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1346.34 1350.83 They're having a lunch break at the moment, but yeah. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1344.18 1346.34 Yeah. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1350.83 1353.5 I'll see if I can get see if I can get hold of them for the next meeting. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1347.97 1351.08 Yeah. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1351.29 1351.49 Yeah. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1354.04 1359.93 I think we can do some really in in that department, the the ergonomic department, we can make some some really good improvements. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1357.88 1358.42 Yeah. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1361.09 1366.35 Maybe th the buttons not so high up so you don't have to press so much, or we just like flat buttons, something. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1360.25 1361.09 Mm. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1364.13 1364.31 Mm. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1367.75 1368.02 Yeah. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1370.21 1372.26 Okay. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1376.33 1381.31 Um okay, so we've basically 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1372.26 1376.33 That's great, thank you very much for that, Reissa. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1370.93 1371.65 So that is me. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1383.34 1384.63 we've decide we've d 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1385.86 1391.62 we've decided that it's gonna be, you know uh, we're going for a basic television remote. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1391.62 1399.37 It's gotta be safe to use, it's gotta look cool. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1399.37 1401.13 It's gotta be cheap. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1401.13 1401.95 S um. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1395.15 1395.36 Mm. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1401.41 1401.97 Mm. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1433.91 1435.22 Um. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1403.7 1413.66 Now going back to the uh industrial design of it, you know, we were looking at whether to use maybe infra-red or Bluetooth. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1413.66 1426.59 I think, we should just go with the simplest option on everything, uh and that would be infra-red, energy source, that would be batteries. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1426.59 1433.91 Uh mean we we can look into using the s, you know, the little tiny weeny batteries, all like special long-lasting batteries. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1436.99 1443.77 But a in there's no I don't think there's any point in making a remote control unit that's gonna last for fifty years,
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1443.77 1451.42 because technology will have changed and, you know, we won't have televisions in ten years' time. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1451.42 1452.25 So 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 1451.69 1451.99 Yep. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1455.28 1457.62 I think we're all um pretty sussed on that. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1458.74 1459.2 Um 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1460.88 1464.57 anyone have any questions? 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1464.57 1465.92 Everybody happy in their work? 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1464.28 1464.72 Mm. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1466.92 1469.63 Yeah, it seems like we're all on the pretty much on the same page. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1469.5 1473.66 Now this is good, we've got a good structure going on. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1477.69 1482.37 Have you been ge has have any of you lot been getting loads of crap spam on your computers? 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1473.66 1477.69 We all know where we're going to. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1482.48 1485.92 Oh it's probably just you, 'cause you're the project manager. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1485.51 1487.28 Well, just questionnaires. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1487.65 1488.06 Yeah. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1487.67 1495.15 Sell trying to sell your things. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1494.7 1500.18 Do oh have you guys found out if we can if we can e-mail stuff to each other? 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1490.07 1492.23 Yeah, stuff. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1492.23 1494.7 Um okay. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1500.41 1500.85 Yeah, you can. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1502.8 1504.98 Do all you all know my e-mail address? 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1501.73 1502.8 Right. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1502.64 1503 Okay. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1504.6 1505.6 No I don't. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1505.6 1505.79 I 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1505.51 1507.59 I think he's participant one, aren't you? 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 1509.2 1514.15 So Project Manager, it's participant one at A. M. I. . 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 1505.57 1509.2 Well, in the project announcement, you've got the addresses, I think. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1509.06 1509.28 Uh 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1512.58 1512.75 Yeah. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1510.6 1512.58 Oh, it's just participant one oh okay. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1513.03 1516.29 Can you all d e-mail me your e-mail addresses? 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1517.14 1521.75 Well it's just w it's just it's just par participant one, participant two. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 1517.48 1521.83 You have them i you have them, but we'll send you an e-mail. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 1521.83 1523.21 You want to have friends, don't you? 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1521.72 1524.35 Send me, yeah yeah, okay. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1523.16 1531.51 So are we headed towards like a b a big yellow and black remote as far as maybe that's our next meeting that we discuss that. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1532.58 1537.46 I I kind of thought it was blue writing on a yellow background, but I might be just going a bit 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1530.39 1532.58 Is it yellow and black or is it yellow and blue? 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1542.21 1544.55 Maybe that's like getting ahead of ourselves. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1536.97 1542.21 Well, it's like white on i white and blue on a black background with white with yellow borders. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1541.77 1542.95 Okay. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1542.95 1543.34 Well, 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 1544.13 1544.99 It wouldn't be 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1544.53 1547.33 maybe you can come up with a few with a couple of different ideas? 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1546.52 1546.67 Mm. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1547.74 1552.96 Can't we have different colours in the remotes, so somebody can choose different col like does it have to be of a certain? 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1551.27 1554.12 Well, see the thing is is we've gotta keep the company image. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1554.12 1560.87 It's gotta say people have gotta look at this remote control and instantly recognise that it's a Real Reaction i product. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1551.52 1551.64 Mm. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1559.94 1564.33 But if it's a R. R., it would be Real Reaction, like if it had a symbol on it. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1560.18 1560.38 Mm. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1563.48 1565.93 There's loads of companies that called R. R. . 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1565 1565.33 Mm. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1566.9 1567.23 Whoa. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1567.25 1571.42 This is slog but this is the slogan, this is the the the the type. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1570.93 1575.53 And this is something that came on down from from the higher ups, so, I mean, we are sort of beholden to them. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1573.64 1574.01 Yeah. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1576.47 1577.59 So we have to have it one colour. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1579.55 1580.91 But we have to incorporate it. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1578.06 1579.55 Well, not necessarily. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1578.57 1581.41 Not one colour, but the pattern needs to be recognisable. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1582.12 1582.4 Mm. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1583.13 1593.61 Not necessarily even if i it just has to ye but you have to look at the product and instantly know that it's one of our products as opposed to a Sony product or a,
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1595.35 1603.98 It's got to so maybe, so you can have a look at our our other products and see if they all follow a s similar vein, perhaps. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1593.61 1595.35 you know, a Panasonic product. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 1589.8 1590.58 Well you could 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1591.09 1591.38 Mm. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 1596.76 1597.58 It could come 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 1604.24 1615.58 But it could come in different colours and have the R. R. colours just somewhere like just around the lock button could be the R. R. logo or colours and 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1608.85 1609.26 Yeah. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1614.32 1614.77 Yeah. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1616.17 1616.41 Mm. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 1617.38 1618.11 If. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1619.74 1620.95 Well this is all your department. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1618.29 1619.74 Quite poss yeah. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1626.41 1628.92 Well, well done everybody. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1628.92 1634.04 And um, I think we uh stop for lunch now. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1623.98 1626.41 Mm okay. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1633.29 1634.88 Yeah, pretty soon I think, I guess that's now. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1634.74 1636.42 Are we are we finished ahead of schedule? 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1636.62 1638.6 We might possibly have done. 
ES2007b H01 FEO026 1638.61 1638.96 Cool. 
ES2007b H02 MEE027 1639.58 1641.24 Alright, see you all soon. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1640.25 1649.11 If we've if we've finished at five minutes before the meeting's supposed to finish, then that means we get an extra five minutes for lunch. 
ES2007b H03 FEE028 1653.13 1654.57 'Kay uh. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1660.64 1662.11 Yeah, there you go. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1669.87 1670.82 Right. 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1670.82 1674.59 I just have to there's a few little bits and pieces I have to write down, but 
ES2007b H00 MEE025 1677.39 1682.73 Take your headsets off, kick back, smoke 'em if you got 'em. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 5.43 6.23 Oh right okay. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 8.63 12.64 I cover myself up. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 16.45 19.84 I said I feel like Madonna with one of these on. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 14.09 16.45 I feel like Madonna with one of these on. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 27.87 31.77 Where do you buy 'em from? 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 22.32 27.87 I've always wanted one of these, I really have. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 38.59 39.04 They're. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 77.14 77.38 Right. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 79.27 83.83 Back again for another wonderful meeting. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 91.72 93.67 Okay, we c we can hold on for a minute. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 77.38 79.27 Hello everybody. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 83.83 91.72 Is uh everyone ready? 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 78.63 79.01 Hello. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 87.19 87.4 Yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 88.9 89.55 Yeah. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 89.08 89.91 Almost. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 110.69 111.26 Oh my gosh. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 120.78 126.18 I figured with the spam thing, if you can't beat it, join in. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 126.32 128.55 That's the kind of spam that everybody likes to receive. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 141.93 142.11 Mm 'kay. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 143.26 145.26 Are you ready? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 182.1 190.6 and who we all are and stuff like that, mm get bit more of an idea together of what's going on. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 163.55 171.59 Um alright first off we'll just uh recap from our last meeting. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 159.49 163.55 Okay, right, well, I take it that you are all ready now. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 171.59 182.1 Um which was we got together just to basically decide on well to talk about what it is that we were actually uh supposed to be doing,
ES2007c H00 MEE025 192.06 196.86 Um what we are gonna talk about in this meeting is um 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 198.45 200.15 now that we know what it is that we are doing 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 209.75 218.25 that's research and development for those that haven't heard that before, see I'm learning all sorts of new technologi terms in technology today. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 200.15 209.75 now we know that it's a T. V. remote and stuff and you guys have just been off doing some some uh R. and D. for that,
ES2007c H00 MEE025 218.25 230.87 Um yeah, we're gonna hear your uh th three little presentations, whether they be on computer or on the whiteboard or whatever you want. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 211.81 212 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 225.15 225.31 Hmm. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 230.88 233 Do you have any preference uh of order? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 249.87 258.25 I want what I'd like to hear about is uh if we've finally decided on um what sort of energy we're gonna be using and 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 234.05 249.87 Um I'd like to um hear o I'd like to hear who's g who's on the um from from uh Catherine actually first. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 256.33 256.92 Batteries. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 258.41 261.23 I think she is still finishing her. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 259.73 261.25 No no no no, it's fine I'm just preparing. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 261.55 263.82 It's just that yeah, let's let's hear from you first. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 263.35 263.49 Hmm. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 263.48 266.45 Okay. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 269.61 270.56 Oh sorry, couldn't see. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 266.45 269.61 Where is that thing? 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 267.26 269.47 Okay, it's uh 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 268.56 268.91 It's here. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 277.14 278.33 Would that work? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 279.97 282.79 Get yourself in position. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 300.32 306.13 if you remember that kind of which wouldn't be v wouldn't be v v yeah, yeah. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 312.39 317.5 So if you have just a bit of gentle movement that it will give it the energy to work. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 295.45 300.32 a hand dynamo which is which was used uh in the fifties for torches,
ES2007c H01 FEO026 287.69 295.45 Um so um for the energy sources we can have a basic battery 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 307.57 312.39 You can have a kinetic provision of energy, which is used on some watches these days. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 317.5 322.54 Or you can use solar cells, but I'm not sure about that indoors, really, but 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 281.6 287.69 Okay, so that's me again. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 306.13 307.57 It wouldn't be very fancy. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 284.87 284.94 Ah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 302.61 304.8 I don't think any of us remember the fifties. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 304.66 306.83 Is it like a crank thing or something. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 315.81 316.05 Mm. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 322.48 329.22 Well, there's sometimes combinations, I mean, like calculators do combinations of battery with but also using some solar power. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 324.95 325.25 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 330.05 334.99 Do sol solar panel things, do they have to work from the sun or can they work from a light bulb? 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 330.52 330.81 Mm. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 337.14 338.13 I dunno actually. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 337.41 338.24 Does anybody know? 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 339.38 342.52 Uh I think, it has to be on the on the solar energy, but I don't know. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 343.93 344.3 I dunno. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 345.54 346.19 Um. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 353.72 364.77 And uh if we want something fancier, I think the kinetic provision of energy could be nice, but I don't know if it's worth the cost. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 347.93 353.72 Think the the uh what would cost the less would be the basic battery, really. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 364.77 366.26 So we've got to discuss that. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 349.81 350.23 Okay. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 353.59 353.85 Mm. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 366.83 367.2 Mm. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 368.82 370.58 Okay, jolly good. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 378.33 384.16 You can have uh a curved one or a double curved one, if you know what I mean, so 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 370.62 378.33 For the case of the remotes itself, um they can be a general case, which is just a flat one. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 384.58 385.91 What's a double curved one? 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 386.77 392.45 You know, kind of more ergonomic, that kind of suits the palm of your hand, that kind of thing. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 393.52 393.9 So 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 393.96 394.37 Okay. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 398.24 408.34 Um then the case material itself, so it can be uh uh either plastic or latex, 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 417.72 424.28 you can't use it for if you if we're choosing a double curved case, we can't choose titanium. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 424.28 432.98 And if we are choosing um solar cells then we can't choose latex for the case material, so we just have to take that into account. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 411.86 417.72 And th for each of them you have uh cases where for example titanium,
ES2007c H01 FEO026 409.52 411.86 uh rubber, wood, or titanium. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 432.98 437.3 But if we're choosing just the flat case then we can go for anything. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 437.3 443.55 And I think we discussed earlier on the R. S. I. problem thing, so we could uh 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 443.46 450.46 So that might be an idea of using the rubber, but then it should, you know yeah. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 445.35 445.64 Yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 448.32 450.59 Let's have a squeezable remote. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 450.02 451.08 Yeah. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 451.08 453.92 And also it doesn't break as easily maybe, I dunno 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 462.82 464 Yeah, I like that idea. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 453.58 458.79 when a T. V. programme's got one watching the match and your team's just lost 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 458.79 462.82 you can fuzz it across the room and it'll bounce off the wall back at you. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 461.32 461.85 Yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 465.81 466.06 Mm. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 467.57 468.76 So rubber would be 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 469.99 470.54 Okay. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 470.12 471.11 I think rubber's 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 472.31 475.41 Rubber, we're all we're all going we're all liking that idea? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 475.41 476.49 You think you can market that? 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 476.13 481.86 But after my after my fashion thing, I think you'll realise that rubber is more 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 482.14 485.58 Uh s so if d okay. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 482.15 485.09 Ooh, we like rubber, ooh. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 484.05 486.53 People. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 487.03 494.32 And then there are the push-buttons, so you can have basic push-buttons or a scroll-wheels, like you have on a mouse,
ES2007c H01 FEO026 494.32 500.25 um or you could have um L. C. D., which gives you a display. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 501.72 504.5 Um scroll buttons, as well. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 506.52 506.88 Uh-huh. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 517.66 522.72 Um and if we choose double curved then we have to go for rubber push-buttons. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 507 513.79 So if you use a rubber double curved case, you must use rubber push-buttons. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 522.72 523.6 So it's a constraint. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 513.79 517.66 So if we're going for rubber then we have to decide for the case. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 522.91 526.65 Well, we're gonna go with I think we've decided that it's gonna be a rubber case so 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 526.08 528.75 Yeah, but is it a double curved one or not? 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 528.75 534.29 If it's not a double curved, then we've got the choice for the push-buttons, if it's a double curve, we've gotta go for rubber push-buttons. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 535.7 536.52 If that makes sense. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 537.75 540.54 push buttons instead of the wheel? 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 541.04 542.4 Yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 551.58 561.22 Mean so what's the difference between a normal rubber case and a rubble doub double rubber double curved case? 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 546.19 551.58 mean it's completely flexed, I mean, it it flexes to whatever they want it to? 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 541.6 546.19 If it's rubber, isn't it malleable anyway, it doesn't matter if it's double I mean isn't a rubber case,
ES2007c H00 MEE025 555.02 558.15 rubble double double. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 555.83 560.17 No, but na le you see, you've got, okay, the energy that's one thing, 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 559.41 561.65 I'll have a Big Mac, please. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 561.64 566.83 then you have the case is uh, whether it's flat or curved. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 575.22 585.41 So if we've chosen rub rubber and if now we have the choice for the case whether it's flat, single curved or double curved. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 566.83 575.22 And that's we don't care if it's rub rubber or not, but then we've decided that we going for rubber for the case material. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 589.89 592.2 but we need to go for uh rubber push-buttons. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 585.41 589.89 And I'm just saying if it if we choose it to be double curved then we need to go I dunno why 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 593.37 593.65 Okay. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 593.76 596.01 So, either 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 597.36 600.79 I dunno we just need to decide on the on the case. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 599.8 601.32 Let's have rubber push buttons, hey. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 601.7 602.5 Okay. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 602.5 603.69 Go rubber. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 603.69 604.61 Go rubber the whole way. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 607.71 609.48 Yes, I do. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 630.12 639.34 If we get an advanced chip which is um used for the L. C. D., the display thing, then that's even more expensive. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 618.09 625.5 Um and the price that go with it with it, so the simple push-buttons are gonna be the cheapest. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 603.77 605.92 Let's go crazy. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 609.48 618.09 Um so the push-buttons themselves they can be just simple or they can be so that's just the electronics between the but behind the push-buttons. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 605.92 607.71 And then, do I have a last slide? 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 625.5 630.12 Uh if we get a scroll-wheel, that's a higher price range. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 617.16 617.44 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 643.92 644.79 Simple, yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 649.59 650.78 It's a bit. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 646.95 649.59 Chip on print. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 662.56 665.25 Okay, uh what I'm not understanding here 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 665.67 665.9 Mm. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 666.26 670.13 is uh, okay, advanced chip on print 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 670.13 680.49 which I presume is like one P. C. B. and that's got all the electronics on one board including the um infra-red sender? 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 676.32 676.55 Yeah. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 679.09 679.61 The infra-red. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 680.53 680.86 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 682.24 686.96 Um what a what alternatives do we have to that? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 681.59 682.24 Right. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 689.05 693.39 Y um what alternatives do we have to the chip on print? 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 701.39 703.1 It's less expensive mm 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 692.34 701.39 Well, if if it's not chip on print then, I guess, you get different chip components, and you build them separately and doesn't include the infra-red. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 704.2 705.56 so it sounds 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 705.16 708.39 Technically speaking, it's not as advanced, but it does the job, too. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 713.41 716.46 If it's something that's inside the the unit. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 709.78 713.41 So, why would we not go for that? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 720.96 726.69 Um we wanna go for an i i all so long as it works, 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 716.46 720.96 I it doesn't affects whether the customer's gonna buy it or not. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 713.94 714.15 Fo 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 716.31 717.38 It doesn't, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 718.44 718.88 Totally. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 720.34 720.65 Yeah. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 723.03 724.26 So let's not go for the 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 727.38 728.42 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 728.42 728.94 I agree. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 730.05 732.86 So let's not let's uh not bother with the chip on print. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 728.29 730.05 you know. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 733.32 736.78 So it's either um the scroll-wheel or the push-buttons. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 739.92 740.17 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 741.62 743.33 S yeah, push buttons. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 743.22 745.63 What about the just developed uh sample sensor? 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 743.94 745.24 I think push-buttons is 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 747.69 748.27 What about what? 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 748.84 752.56 G there, the sample sensor, sample speaker thing. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 751.24 751.76 Well 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 752.51 754.97 Well, what do we need a speaker for in a remote control unit? 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 755.69 756.46 Mm, I dunno. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 757.77 759.35 Be cool. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 759.35 761.3 Channel two. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 759.16 762.96 It'd be it'd be cool, but they are saying they've just developed it, I'm just guessing. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 762.96 765.68 But it's gonna be the most expensive option, probably and 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 759.68 759.97 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 763.31 763.45 S 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 766.28 774.22 Th the the speech recognition um option is it doesn't seem really very promising for us uh, 'cause uh 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 772.79 773.6 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 773.6 776.35 It's not something that we wanna t go into with this product. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 775.63 783.02 The yeah the example that they're already using it for is with the coffee machine, where, basically, you can program a sample wi um 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 804.79 808.01 It just gives you a it just gives you a verbal response. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 796.39 802.29 But, I mean, it's not it would be one thing if it was speech recognition where you say something and it turns the T. V. on like,
ES2007c H02 MEE027 815.45 817.1 Yeah, if you're really lonely, it is it's 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 802.29 804.79 turn the T. V. on, and i turns comes on, but it's not that. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 808.01 815.45 So, yeah, I mean, like what's the point of saying, Hello remote, I mean, hello, how how are you? 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 784.12 787.36 That when you say something it will give a response, and you program the response as well. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 787.36 790.59 Just uh clips of tha that you record yourself. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 790.59 796.39 So you can program your coffee-maker that when you say, good morning, to it it says, hello Rick, or whatever. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 796.13 798.51 Yeah. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 798.16 798.36 Hm. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 805.2 806.42 Oh, it just gives an answer. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 808.5 809.37 Oh, then then 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 809.91 810.36 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 811.4 813.16 Yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 812.44 815.05 I thought I thought it was when they said 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 812.79 817.15 Just if you are really lonely, maybe. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 822.72 823.74 Like you talk to it. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 828.63 829.27 Oh right okay. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 827.01 828.63 Oh, then forget about it. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 823.74 827.01 Can I have channel five? 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 816.36 822.72 I thought when they said, voice recognition, they meant um like, channel five, and it will change. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 820.44 821.97 Channel five. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 821.97 823.26 And then it switches on. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 829.15 830.3 I mean to certain cues. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 822.1 824.89 No, tha that w that w that would be more promising. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 826.96 829.15 Uh. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 824.89 826.96 It it's just a remote that talks to you. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 824.75 825.19 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 827.97 828.45 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 827.34 827.97 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 830.66 831.41 Yeah. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 831.55 837.1 Okay, so I'll go back, maybe, to the previous slide and we can decide for each problem, what we should choose. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 837.1 840.41 So for the energy source, do we go for the battery or the 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 837.38 837.58 'Kay. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 842.66 844.35 Yeah, I'm fine with the basic battery. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 844.39 845.66 Basic battery. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 845.66 848.96 It's cheap, it's cheerful, it's worked, does work. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 844.64 844.94 Mm. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 849.5 849.61 Hmm. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 854.32 856.18 So we'll go for the battery. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 852.71 854.32 Okay. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 850.25 851.04 Cheaper option. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 851.04 852.71 Are you happy with that? 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 851.82 852.05 Yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 851.12 851.82 Mm. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 858.34 863.49 Then the case, do you want it flat or curved or sing or double curved? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 862.36 866.61 We were go we were going with the late with the the R. S. I. rubber, weren't we? 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 866.25 874.48 Yeah, so we want it rub rubber double curved. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 869.45 871.35 The the 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 870.62 872.77 So it will look like something like this. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 871.48 871.82 Double? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 871.99 873.1 The double whopper, please. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 873.42 882 Okay, so then if we use double curved case, then we have to u choose rubber push-buttons, and that's fine? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 876.83 880.34 Yep, but we're going for the simple buttons. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 880.23 881.9 So rubber rubber keys, yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 886.53 897.45 and we can also market it as i 'cause we were s saying earl you were saying earlier in your research that um the the people have the R. people were getting the complaining about R. S. I. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 881.38 882.2 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 897.45 898.81 and this is anti-R. S. I. . 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 882.2 886.53 And it's cheapest all round, it sounds kinda funky 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 886.7 886.92 P 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 887.08 887.31 Yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 899.04 899.45 Yeah. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 899.48 899.82 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 900.32 902.7 So that's another marketing point that we can use. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 902.92 904.35 Well the rubber push-buttons. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 906.05 907.18 Don't you have to move your 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 906.53 908.56 But anything is gonna have buttons. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 909.95 910.29 Mm. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 910.61 913.34 Even if it's a jog wheel, it's still repetitive. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 914.82 917.4 I thought they would give an option of flat buttons or a 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 915.13 915.47 You 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 917.75 924.78 You see, you can still get it does you still get repetitive strain injury, whether you are pressing a button or pressing a flat bit of screen. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 928.55 930.23 It's not actually what you are doing. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 924.78 928.55 It's the v it's the fact that you are pressing the same doing the same movement. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 918.28 919.73 That they don't. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 925.63 926.09 Mm. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 933.86 940.99 But the fact that this this rubber i is actually used in these anti-R. S. I. ps specific 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 941.06 941.74 Yeah, the rubber's good. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 940.05 941.06 Mm. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 942.05 944.34 We're giving them a way to burn off steam, basically, yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 941.27 942.05 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 944.13 944.56 Yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 945.06 946.72 Yeah, so they can sit there and go like 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 946.73 949.96 Not that watching T. V. should be that stressful. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 949.64 956.59 And you know, yeah, you can fuzz it across the room and throw it at throw it at your children yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 952.13 956.14 Oh yeah, I guess T. V. can be stressful, yeah, if you're watching sports. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 956.88 957.8 Alright, that's me done. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 958.27 958.58 Alright. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 959.41 964.4 Let's um let's let's hear from you about the um it's the interface. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 958.35 959.41 Okay, Gabriel. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 960.25 960.71 Alright. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 965.38 969.69 Yeah, some of what I have to say ties into what Catherine was just talking about. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 969.67 970.1 Great. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 970.28 970.83 Sorry. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1004.34 1012.15 Uh I also took uh Reissa's marketing findings from the last meeting into consideration um 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1012.15 1021.08 'cause I think that's that's crucial as far as uh what keys we're going to inc inclu what buttons we are going to include and and how they're laid out. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1000.35 1004.34 It sounded like Catherine was also speaking with them. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1031.08 1032.64 uh like the coffee machine. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1021.08 1031.08 Uh and so the manufacturing division uh sent some some samples of of uh interface components that we might be interested in using that have been used in other products 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 995.74 1000.35 And so basically I consulted with our manufacturing division. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 990.23 995.74 Okay, so I'm continuing with the user interface uh topic. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1020.84 1021.02 Mm. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1040.88 1042.04 It's it's pointless. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1037.66 1040.88 I guess, we we basically vetoed that idea. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1034.65 1037.66 So I already mentioned the speech recognition interface. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1042.08 1042.53 Mm. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1056.58 1064.57 they they also give the uh they they suggested the idea of using a spinning wheel like you use on the side of an M. P. three player like iPod. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1072.68 1077.59 Um the other suggestion, and I I have a feeling that 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1055.61 1056.58 Uh so yeah 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1064.57 1072.68 Um so we've already addressed that and I think that would actually be worse for something like R. S. I. I mean you got that thumb movement that you're constantly doing. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1046.15 1055.61 It would just be probably the most expensive part of our remote without any actual interesting functionality as far as operating the T. V. . 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1043.32 1046.15 Uh it's just a sample sensor sample output. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1062.18 1062.49 Mm. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1062.58 1062.91 Mm. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1070.04 1070.45 Yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1070.45 1070.99 Mm. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1072.28 1073.32 That does get annoying. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1090.48 1097.23 the keys might be you know, funny or or, or uh something for the elderly 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1078.74 1085.27 we're interested in in something more general, but they suggested uh, you know, going i a little bit into a a niche,
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1097.23 1101.7 where the remote's very large and the buttons are very large and there's only a few buttons. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1108.27 1110.44 Uh um 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1085.27 1090.48 like either gearing our remote towards kids, where you could have lot of colours um,
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1101.7 1108.27 But you know we can we can discuss this, but it sounded like from our last meeting we really wanted something that was general, but done well. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1094.04 1094.33 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1108.44 1108.95 Yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1111.7 1114.21 So, the key layout and design are really crucial. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1122.25 1129.23 And I didn't mention that we need a power button in our last I can give you an example here of uh, good layout and bad layout 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1114.21 1122.25 You don't want uh you want people to be able to quickly access the buttons that they use a lot without uh always pressing the wrong one um. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1131.21 1131.58 uh 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1133.4 1136.63 from our manufacturing department. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1138.99 1142.75 where you have volume up and volume down, but they have a V. on both of them, so uh 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1136.63 1138.99 So this would be an example of bad layout,
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1139.73 1140.39 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1142.35 1142.77 Yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1143.53 1147.58 it's sort of confusing for the user. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1157.63 1159.01 And for something for kids. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1147.58 1157.63 Uh this is the example of the giant remote that's impossible to lose. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1148.4 1150.17 Do we have an uh example of a good one? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1153.05 1156.17 Brilliant. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1153.33 1153.79 Uh-huh. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1156.88 1157.44 Well 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1162.09 1162.78 Um. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1160.44 1162.09 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1162.28 1162.9 Yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1165.25 1166.18 And so, 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1188.76 1191.16 And, yeah, that's it for me. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1167.3 1174.75 yeah, I th I think my personal preferences of we've all kind of talked about and seemed to be on the same page um. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1181.16 1182.84 I think it should be more general. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1174.75 1181.16 Uh so I was against the speech recognition and against going uh towards anything in in a niche sense. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1182.84 1188.76 I didn't I didn't think the spinning-wheel or the uh L. C. display were were crucial for us. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1182.57 1182.83 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1192.2 1199.41 Well let's um so w what are our definite decisions on this then as a team? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1191.67 1192.2 Okay. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1199.41 1200.12 The um 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1201.9 1205.93 The the um the interface type we're going for 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1207.92 1211.96 So we're we're not gonna have any sort of display I think uh. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1211.96 1215.28 So, yeah, it's just gonna be just gonna be push-buttons. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1215.28 1215.92 Um. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1211.47 1214.63 Just the simple s simple straight set of buttons. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1221.71 1225.22 channel up, channel down, volume up, volume down, and a numerical keypad. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1217.15 1221.71 I think we shall have a limited number of buttons, ideally, I mean a a power,
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1220.45 1220.81 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1223.21 1223.78 Yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1226.92 1227.3 Uh. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1228.55 1233.78 And some sort of it will either have a a lock button like we mentioned or or a cover or something like that. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1233.78 1235.85 I guess it's to the point where we need to decide about that. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1233.3 1233.77 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1239.65 1244.11 Are we gonna hav hav an are we d have we decided on whether 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1236.27 1239.65 Okay, and we're not yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1238.9 1240.2 Well now that we've decided on our 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1246.35 1255.05 w we're gonna s supplement it with anything, you know, colours or particular gimmicky bits to it, we're not we're just gonna go for something 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1257.1 1263.93 Um it seems like we wouldn't wanna make it too busy and too sort of gaudy, but um 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1257.7 1257.88 We're 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1258.46 1259.65 Maybe we can 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1271.06 1274.3 like maybe the R. R. can be yellow, or something like that. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1265.92 1271.06 Yeah, I would say mayb maybe a couple of colours like uh like a black with with yellow and somewhere,
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1271.96 1272.54 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1277.95 1279.73 Okey-dokey. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1275.26 1277.95 Okay. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1274.74 1275.26 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1280.84 1282.92 Yeah, I don't have any other questions on this. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1284.55 1285.78 Let's move over to 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1300.22 1306.1 But I think that should be I mean um, I can speak with the button department 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1285.11 1295.36 I I guess the fact uh also that we are having a rubber case uh would prevent us from having the cover function that we thought of before. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1306.1 1312.6 but uh I think that it should be easy to have a button that just prevents prevents the other uh the other buttons from operating. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1295.36 1300.22 I mean, 'cause uh s so if we wanna have a lock of some sort it would have to be a button. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1312.6 1313.39 So that should be simple. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1295.85 1297.08 Yeah, sure. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1308.45 1310.72 Yeah, the button that just does that, yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1315.86 1316.22 Cool. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1328.08 1328.53 Right. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1333.92 1339.18 Well, I'm just basically letting you know what's happening in the markets 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1339.71 1340.06 Mm yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1344.07 1344.73 Um. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1340.36 1344.07 and what the fashions are for next year. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1365.24 1369.77 Um the most important aspect is look and feel. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1369.77 1374.7 So the remote control has to look and feel fancier than the ones that already that we already have. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1357.13 1365.24 we have found that for the remote control market these are like most important aspects like that we really need to which we've already probably discussed. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1346.22 1357.13 So yes, so from looking at this year's trends and fashions and also recent investigation that we've done in the remote control market 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1374.7 1375.84 So it has to be 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1350.97 1351.35 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1375.78 1379.56 Yeah, why should people buy this when they're already got a remote that came with the T. V. ? 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1376.51 1376.72 Yep. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1377.85 1380.11 Exactly. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1380.11 1387 Um second, uh it should be technologically innovative innovative. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1387 1387.71 So 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1377.94 1378.09 Mm. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1379.8 1380.08 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1389.03 1389.71 What's that mean? 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1398.67 1399.26 It should work. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1389.84 1398.67 Technologically it should be like um work, basically, I guess. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1399.14 1405.72 Well it should be it should be maybe cutting edge in some sense, I mean have something that's little more technologically advanced than what's on the market. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1400.26 1400.78 Should 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1403.75 1404.33 That's new. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1404.84 1411.04 Okay, now the trouble is is we've already decided that we're going with the stuff that works already, that's cheap. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1405.33 1405.66 Yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1406.91 1407.21 Yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1413.79 1418.95 'cause our rubber one is not fancy I mean it's different, but I wouldn't say like a rubber remote is fancy. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1411.29 1413.79 Actually, I mean, these first two points we've already sort of gone away from,
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1421.73 1424.58 And it's it's not technologically innovative either. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1418.95 1421.73 If that's what people want then we maybe we're going in the wrong direction. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1410.44 1411.29 Yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1411.42 1411.9 Yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1414.32 1414.57 Mm. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1414.36 1414.74 Yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1425.44 1427.27 So, no loose 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1425.87 1428.09 Maybe we could um 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1425.99 1426.15 Mm. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1433.45 1437.02 everybody's gonna like, oh, 'cause Bluetooth is the in thing nowadays,
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1437.02 1445.84 like it really is, like people and um when it comes to marketing like that's what people go for, they don't really care whether, you know, 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1428.96 1433.45 That's why I was thinking, Bluetooth, 'cause if you like put up Bluetooth, and it's like a Bluetooth remote control,
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1447.02 1449.86 at the end of the day whether it works properly or not. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1450.29 1451.99 Of course, they do. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1451.99 1456.32 One hundred per cent, that's your first thing, you go, oh I'm not gonna buy that, 'cause I dunno if it works or not. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1451.07 1453.1 Well, they do, but it's like it's not 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1456.39 1457.52 Yeah, but it looks good. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1457.52 1462.47 If it looks good and it's it can just be there for decoration. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1463.16 1467.03 Okay, well, what do you two think about this? 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1467.22 1470.86 So is is the advantage of Bluetooth that you can just like synchronise it with other 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1468.12 1468.97 But like 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1471.63 1472.46 electronics? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1471.7 1473.89 Yeah, what I don't understand what m 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1473.1 1474.47 You could always insert, yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1475.12 1476.69 Yeah, that's basically what it allows you to do, right? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1477 1482.01 Yeah, and it this is just gonna all this is being used for is your television. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1483.17 1485.98 Yeah, but, I mean, people like 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1485.27 1491.21 It would that would mean you'd need a television that has Bluetooth in it, which no no television does, does it? 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1489.41 1495.17 Well, if you're looking at if you looking at something that's going to be bought by people,
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1495.17 1500.64 you have to make it new, you have to make it state of the art. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1489.96 1490.91 Well 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1498.95 1501.33 That would mean we'd have to make a television as well. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1512.32 1517.46 but your mobile phone is downstairs or something, you would get on your television you're being called by this person right now. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1503.52 1512.32 Bluetooth would, for example, enable you, I think, to um um connect for example you if you get a w call on your mobile phone,
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1518.52 1519.04 Things like that. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1519.19 1523.01 No, that would be your telephone in with your television. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1522.98 1525.64 Yeah, the that wouldn't be the remote so much, I mean 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1523.01 1524.1 No i 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1523.98 1525.97 Yeah, and i 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1525.67 1529.69 No, but if you get Bluetooth on the remote, you'd be able to 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1530.25 1537.51 Nah, the televi the television would have to be a Bluetooth compatible, basically. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1537.51 1539.52 An and there is no there is no such thing. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1536.22 1538.83 Wha what w what advantage would you get for the 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1531.2 1534.03 I with the television, yeah. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1534.03 1536.22 I was just trying to find an advantage. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1535.89 1536.11 Mm. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1536.87 1537.82 Well, it doesn't 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1543.65 1547.94 but like it needs do something that, you know, is new. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1539.7 1543.65 Like it doesn't have to be, you know, Bluetooth, that was just an idea,
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1547.94 1551.5 Whether it's a battery it could be something really 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1553.82 1560.67 really minor, you know, like but I think we are really keeping to what is already out there,
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1560.67 1564.11 and people've already seen it, people've already got it. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1564.11 1567.79 If we want something new, we need to move away from what we already have 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1564.03 1564.41 Okay. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1569.16 1572.19 and um just go creative. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1574.26 1578.96 It's been done for watches, but I haven't seen that for remotes, yet. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1570.23 1574.26 Maybe the kinetic mo provision of energy then. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1579.3 1581.61 Yeah, this that's that's very good. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1578.3 1579.3 Okay. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1580.62 1581.9 And then you can market it. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1581.9 1584.38 Never have to change a battery again. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1582.79 1584.89 Change the batteries ever again. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1594.49 1599.37 Th we should encourage people to throw their remote controls about, because it charges itself up by doing it. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1588.56 1594.49 The fact that it's made out of this rubber, we can throw it about. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1584.29 1588.56 And and this is all tying in very nicely. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1595.74 1601.76 Yeah, well, and in little characters you say, yeah, but not too much. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1598.96 1599.74 Yes, so can 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1602.07 1603.91 I think, safety s 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1602.45 1604.11 But yeah, by the squeezing it the 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1603.8 1608.67 Yeah, we can make the squeezing of the rubber be the be the generating like the energy generator. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1610.81 1611.24 Well done. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1607.17 1610.81 Yeah, that's a great idea. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1608.13 1608.43 Yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1616.32 1619.63 And I think we've all um worked that out. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1630.92 1639.24 So next year people will be buying, I found this really funny, you know, strawberry shaped chairs, 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1619.63 1621.88 Um okay, in the fashion, how it's supposed to look. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1611.24 1616.32 Third most important aspect uh is it's easy to use. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1621.88 1630.92 Next year's fashion i very much in fruit and vegetables are thm are like the theme for cloths, shoes and furniture. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1616.3 1618.06 we're all about that. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1640.04 1646.3 Okay, so we could have keys that are like a b like a broccoli key and a uh and an avocado key on them. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1640.71 1641.36 and things. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1643.78 1644.13 Yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1644.37 1645.5 Yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1645.5 1646.52 Rubber things. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1645.56 1649.61 I wanna watch the pineapple channel. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1654.69 1660.05 so it's it's not quite spongy, but spongy, I would say is yeah, so we're in. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1647.48 1654.69 Um and as it's rubber the feel which is in this year is spongy,
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1656.66 1657.87 Well spongy, that's where. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1657.87 1660.98 Yeah, we're we're ahead of the game there. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1658.17 1659.39 Yeah, that's great for us. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1672.79 1675.75 while still keeping to the company's image, basically. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1660.91 1661.74 Yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1661.74 1672.79 And so personal what I was just saying like move away from the current remote controls uh like the look and the feel of the current ones and change the look and feel,
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1677 1677.37 So yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1680.75 1681.25 Okay. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1683.56 1684.32 I had to say 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1685.89 1687.67 So we're moving in the right direction like 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1686.04 1686.17 Right. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1697.91 1706.08 using the spongy rubber that we were talking about that anti-R. S. I. you can as you squeeze it you are not only therapeuticising yourself,
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1690.81 1697.91 we're gonna go go back to um going with the kinetic thing, that's great 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1687.08 1690.81 Alright, yeah, no, this i this is good, so through all that we've we go we're right,
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1706.08 1714.15 you are charging the batteries, and um I'm not sure about the buttons being in the shape of fruit though. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1687.68 1687.94 Yeah. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1695.32 1696.41 Yep. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1696.06 1696.57 Yeah, that's great. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1708.83 1709.06 Mm. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1714.29 1717 No vegetables. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1715.28 1716.86 Yeah, I don't know how we incorporate 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1720.1 1721.62 We don't have to follow every trend, I guess. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1720.35 1722.89 Maybe make it like fruity colours or something. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1724.31 1724.83 Some sort. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1724.48 1724.77 Uh-huh. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1729 1729.43 Or 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1729.89 1732.43 The power button could be like a big apple or something. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1730.28 1730.51 Mm. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1734.06 1736.49 Well yeah, but Apple would sue you for that. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1736.08 1738.05 Yeah, this is true. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1737.8 1740.99 They don they don't own all images of apples. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1740.93 1743.24 sued the Beatles so 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1743.4 1746.63 Okay, we'll make it a uh pomegranate, a big pomegranate. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1747.87 1756.99 Well, okay, it seems like the only thing that we haven't really finally um agreed on is 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1758.44 1759.33 its image. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1760.9 1763.75 Like, yeah, we're we're saying no we don't want it to be fruit and vegetables,
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1767.2 1771.78 but what do what do we mean by slick sort of thing? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1763.75 1767.2 but we dunno what it should be, or like are we going yeah it looks slick 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1767.72 1769.19 Well 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1772.45 1775.03 I think, if it's rubber 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1776.66 1777.59 it needs to be 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1777.76 1780.25 I mean you said earlier on i it should be funky. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1779.6 1780.72 different. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1784.85 1785.62 You know like 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1780.72 1784.85 I think, it's it should be I mean, what do you associate with rubber? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1786.64 1793.06 L keep it clean, keep it clean. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1796.43 1804.13 Um Um like I'm just thinking bright colours. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1788.6 1796.43 Okay, sor I sorry, I used the wrong word, what do you associate with the mate the material that material? 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1786.82 1788.6 really different colours basically. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1805.09 1805.34 Yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1805.33 1806.99 Bright natural colours, nothing 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1808.84 1809.28 too 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1810.71 1812.18 Bright, but not too bright. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1817.45 1822.4 Wanna make it different colours so anybody can choo like like 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1813.63 1817.45 Like no lime green or bright yellow or bright pink. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1811.43 1813.63 Bright, but too not yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1812.89 1813.15 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1820.77 1827.34 Like the volume buttons should be the all the same colour and the d and the the channel buttons should be one colour and stuff like that 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1827.34 1827.74 do you mean? 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1825.02 1825.21 Mm. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1828.92 1832.87 And on the back of it have the logo. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1827.76 1828.92 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1836.07 1837.7 Okay, what? 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1838.65 1838.85 Yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1839.77 1840 Sure. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1840.39 1840.67 Why not? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1841.65 1842.06 Okay. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1854.37 1859.22 and then a big spongy pink t tomato uh remote. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1845.21 1854.37 I hope that we're not going like too much down a gimmicky road of of having I mean if somebody go goes into the store they're gonna see like three or four normal remotes 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1843.84 1845.21 The one thing I'm wondering about 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1859.22 1863.14 I mean what are ninety per cent of people gonna take? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1843.92 1844.24 Tha 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1849.19 1851.01 Yeah, I mean we that's we we 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1857.89 1858.35 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1859.18 1863.28 This is the remote control tomato. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1861.41 1862.07 Well 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1863.78 1871.14 I can say in this country, you'll get, you know, lots of people wanting something really funky and cool. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1880.86 1885.55 And uh parents will see the will see the pro as well, because it's um 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1873.04 1880.86 Like and kids will be walking in with their parents saying, Mummy I wanna buy that one. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1887.05 1891.73 like kids won't break it, it's not breakable if you throw it around. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1891.73 1895.42 Especially with younger kids, you know they can pick it up and and 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1891.65 1891.98 Yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1897.27 1897.64 Yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1897.64 1901.2 The only thing is is that really small kids might chew on it, but 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1900.98 1903.01 Well, it's it's gotta be chew proof. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1904.29 1914.05 So so it's rea it's quite it's quite like um user friendly and also for different families,
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1914.05 1920.45 like like family use as well, so for little kids and for old ki like teenagers will like it, I think. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1920.45 1925.66 Especially maybe younger girls if it's in pink they'll be like pink remote control for their room something. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1903.83 1904.29 Yeah. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1904.43 1907.13 I'm gonna write that down. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1932.84 1935.28 the blue range, the green range, the 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1926.98 1932.84 So, what are you saying, maybe we should market it in different colours for different so we could do like the pink range,
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1930.2 1930.44 Yeah. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1931.79 1933.22 That's yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1932.05 1932.29 Mm. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1951.57 1952.71 So they also get to pick. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1935.22 1939.07 So like you walk in, you're like, oh I like that remote control, because it's so bright, and then,
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1942.32 1944.83 and then they go like, oh I can choose the colour wow. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1944.83 1951.57 So it puts, I think, even the customer into more control over what they're buying instead of, you've got all colour it's either that or nothing. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1939.07 1942.32 and then the shop assistant comes up and says, oh what colour would you like? 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1954.68 1957.04 Well, personally I like walking into a shop and choosing a colour. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1962.27 1966.89 that people feel like they're customising it when they buy it, even, you know, just just by the fact of choosing. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1957.33 1962.27 Yeah I mean, that that seems to work well with for products like iPod, where, you know, you have a variety of colours,
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1958.31 1959 It's um 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1961.06 1961.37 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1961.26 1961.6 Mm. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1963.65 1964.07 Mm. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 1965.2 1966.16 D you've got the 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1965.44 1968.01 Although I'd be curious to see how many uh 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1969.33 1974.52 You know, there are some colours that I wouldn I would never choose, and I would be curious how many people choose that colour. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1974.18 1974.41 Right. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1974.58 1980.53 Well that's that can be down to bit of market researching you know, if that's easy enough to find out what colours are more popular. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1977.39 1977.69 Mm. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 1977.96 1978.17 Yeah. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 1980.41 1983.25 And produce less of the silly colours, maybe. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1983.03 1983.32 Mm. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1988.68 1998.47 Well um, we'll alright let's what we're gonna aim to get together by the next meeting then um 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1987.01 1988.27 Okay. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 1988.27 1988.68 Alright. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2000.53 2002.61 is 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2004.47 2009.67 from you Catherine wi your y y you know you're gonna be working on the the look and feel design. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 2010.06 2010.65 Yep. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2017.88 2021.82 Then basically, you two are gonna be working together on this. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2021.82 2023.75 You won't be going off to your separate offices. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2010.95 2017.88 Um Gabriel, you're gonna be working on, you know come up with the the user interface design. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 2022.5 2022.85 Alright. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2024.57 2024.86 Okay. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2025.09 2029.6 Um and I think you are gonna get a chance to play with some clay. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2030.11 2030.7 Oh right. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2031.26 2035.31 I think, yeah, it's gonna you know, come up ki you know 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2041.31 2043.8 'Cause at the moment, uh you know, it's it's hard. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2043.8 2049.76 We were kinda going, yeah, it's gotta feel nice, it's gotta look cool and that it's you know now we can actually start, 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2035.31 2041.31 be ab for the next meeting be able to come in and show us some some i some physical ideas. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 2032.32 2032.76 Mm. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 2041.57 2041.71 Cool. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2043.46 2043.69 Yeah. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 2043.83 2044.28 It is. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2052.17 2055.19 you know, s some sort of physical something or other. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2056.89 2057.84 That sounds good. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2058.59 2063.16 Um and you're gonna be working on the product evaluation. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 2063.52 2064.96 Evaluation. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2067.65 2068.66 Um. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2071.44 2073.44 And I 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2074.29 2076.88 will be uh 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2079 2082.14 talking to the bosses, basically, and uh 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2083.12 2086.3 f fielding off some more spam and 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2087.48 2088.69 uh 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 2090.12 2090.46 Great. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2091.01 2091.92 that's it really. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2099.57 2100.11 Um. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2093.65 2099.57 Keeping things t well, uh you know, ho hopefully uh keeping things together. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2103.48 2104.67 Yeah, that's 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2106.8 2108.44 This is this is uh good. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2108.44 2114.14 So we know for definite we know we've we've now got some definite things going on. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2114.14 2119.48 We definitely know how it's powered, we definitely know that um it's gonna be a simple buttons,
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2138.28 2143.83 People, you know, people are saying, oh, standard stuff gives you repetitive strain injury,
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2126.65 2134.21 It's this rubber casing that we can sell as um fun and funky. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2119.48 2126.65 we're not gonna be going for the new technological chip on print expensive things, so we've we're keeping the costs down. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2134.21 2138.28 Don't know of any other remote controls that are made out of this stuff. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2143.83 2146.92 well this remote control is designed to do the complete opposite, 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2114.46 2114.56 Mm. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 2137.23 2137.46 Mm. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 2147.56 2147.73 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2148.17 2151.75 It's supposed to fix it rather than cause it. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2151.75 2152.21 Um. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2163.73 2165.42 We'll look into this lock key 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2155.07 2163.73 you know, we're gonna we we're gonna as a sort of extra something on it, you know what what extra things are there extra things this product have? 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2165.94 2166.16 Right. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2166.52 2172.88 facility, although whether or not it happens, or is possible, I don't know, but something to look into. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2176.56 2177.31 Okay. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2177.31 2180.11 I think that's um well done everybody. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2181.48 2181.73 Alright. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2181.71 2182.79 Anyone have any uh 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2184.13 2186.56 any questions, everyone know what they're doing? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2186.56 2189.5 'Cause if you don't, you'll I'm sure you'll soon get an e-mail about it. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2186.53 2187.12 Yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2189.71 2190.01 Yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2191.29 2193.21 Mm, I think we all know what we need to do now. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 2192.37 2192.52 S 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 2193.26 2194.57 This gives you all the details? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2198.08 2203.82 It's um we're we've still couple of minutes until our meeting's due to finish. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2196.84 2197.26 Okay. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2197.26 2198.08 right well. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2197.19 2197.46 Okay. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2204.92 2205.52 But um 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2207.78 2215.07 I got a note saying that you two who are gonna be working together so bef before you all disappear off just 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2212.26 2213.1 Okay, I'll stay in here. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 2214.78 2219.17 um. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2219.6 2222.09 hold hold fire. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2222.09 2222.73 Um. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2223.75 2227.64 Does the pay-raise immediately come into effect on our next pay-check, or is that 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2226.64 2235.44 Um I think, it's uh, yeah, I think, it's gonna be par part more of a profit sharing on the product. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2235.88 2239.04 So we're buying fut I mean, we're getting futures in the company. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2238.12 2242.59 Yeah, I think i I think that's I think that's the way it's gonna happen at the moment. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2241.43 2246.48 So we really have a incentive to make this remote work. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2246.16 2247.09 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2247.09 2247.48 Yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2248.83 2251.94 I'd like to share in the coffee machine profits, because that's really doing well. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2252.15 2254.6 I want a share in the space rocket. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2254.6 2258.57 Did you see that this k that this company we've made a spaceship. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2255.5 2256.36 Yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 2257.71 2259.02 Yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2258.64 2262.71 This company has its its fingers in a lot of different pots. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2261.09 2261.36 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2263.48 2267.07 Yeah. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 2264.05 2264.3 Mm. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2267.79 2270 Yeah, we're definitely not in the money making department. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2285.44 2287.66 Well I I did notice looking at I mean 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2287.66 2295.08 they told you that they wanted whatev our product to represent the the R. R. brand and and to be immediately noticeable. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2294.31 2294.67 Yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2296.75 2302.11 I mean, if you look like at the coffee maker at the at the corporate web page, it's not obvious. 
ES2007c H03 FEE028 2300.76 2301.79 Mm. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2303.73 2304.48 R. R. . 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2309.63 2316.27 but it's doesn't have the colour scheme of of the of the company anywhere on it obviously it's just sil silver and black. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2304.48 2309.63 Well it is to us, because we we worked worked here for years and we use that coffee machine 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2315.13 2315.46 Mm. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 2317.56 2318.67 That's true. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2320.1 2330.66 And the spaceship doesn't have the R. have a massive R. and R. down the side of it but I still want one. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2322.64 2322.92 No. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 2323.4 2326.43 Doesn't 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2325.5 2325.96 Mm. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2333.69 2337.34 Um I've just had a sign flashing up saying, finish the meeting. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2332.96 2333.69 Okay. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 2338.14 2338.29 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2338.9 2340.53 Uh. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2339.36 2339.67 Okay. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2350.42 2350.81 Yeah. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2351.1 2352.28 Right, well, I guess that's us. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2353.54 2354.88 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2359.27 2361.1 So maybe you should go back to your own offices. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2354.88 2359.27 It's not telling it's not saying do anything in particular just yet. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2364.61 2365.21 Right. 
ES2007c H02 MEE027 2362.48 2364.61 Okay. 
ES2007c H01 FEO026 2366.17 2367.16 Are we taking these off? 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2369.4 2369.73 Yeah. 
ES2007c H00 MEE025 2376.58 2377.19 Yeah, it says you two 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 0.02 0.9 It's Play-Doh. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 4.12 5.15 Play-Doh's edible. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 6.71 8.16 It's definitely 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 5.15 6.71 Did you know that? 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 7.91 9.66 Because kids yeah. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 8.85 9.97 I used to eat it. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 10.81 14.27 I didn't know was edible. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 8.91 10.81 I've, I've definitely eaten it before. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 11.68 12.08 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 13.39 15.97 But um, it's it's made edible 'cause, yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 13.86 17.34 It's it's chew proof. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 16.92 20.27 It's made edible 'cause kids eat it, and if it's wasn't edible then 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 18.55 19.1 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 21.2 22.8 Well, normal babies. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 25.05 35.44 peopl I dunno if my Mom ever did it but I remember other people's Moms making like home-made Play-Doh where you just like make the colouring and make some sort of sort of dough. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 22.06 25.05 Actually that makes sense, because I remember like 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 33.43 33.76 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 34.09 35.88 Oh yeah it is, yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 35.88 36.19 Oh yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 45.79 48.95 Everybody everybody ready? 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 48.95 54.85 Okay, let's have your um let's get have the uh presentation? 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 42.47 45.79 Right. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 44.75 45.17 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 47.83 48.15 Yeah. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 48.3 48.49 Yep. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 51.83 53.52 We've got some. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 54.88 56.39 We've got a cool prototype. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 57.69 58.44 So, 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 55.09 57.69 Yeah, it's pretty exciting. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 74.98 80.59 something that would be different uh, separate it from the other remotes out on the market. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 69.95 74.98 double curved, um but also something that was gonna jump out at people,
ES2007d H02 MEE027 59.92 69.95 everything uh that we wanted we wanted it to be ergonomic and to be made out of rubber, very simple and easy to use, yeah,
ES2007d H02 MEE027 80.59 86.87 So uh I think if you put this in the palm of your hand, you'll see what a nice thing we have going here. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 68.02 68.84 Double curved. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 69.92 70.84 Nice. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 87.92 88.64 That is cool. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 89.71 90.95 So, basically, 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 92.66 98.67 if you hold it like that, the one on your thumb, yeah, the thumb button is the power button. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 96.85 97.26 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 98.92 99.32 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 99.96 107.63 Your index finger is channel up, middle finger is channel down, ring finger is volume up, your pinkie is volume down. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 108.53 110.09 What's the big blue thing? 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 114.91 116.02 And then it also has digit 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 110.36 114.91 That's the lock button, has a L. L. on it and then the M. is a mute button. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 112.15 112.9 Oh cool. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 118.16 118.71 Oh mute. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 115.69 117.05 what button? 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 117.05 118.16 Um. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 117.41 118.03 And mute. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 117.52 118.67 For muting the uh 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 127.86 135.49 So it's really basic functionalities as far as what keys are available, but we think it's very comfortable and very innovative and it looks different. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 119.82 127.86 Um and then then you can also there's a numeric keypad on the top so you can key directly to the to the channel if you want. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 125.3 126.05 Okay. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 135.69 137.22 That certainly does. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 146.29 147.21 So you don't you 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 137.74 146.29 So all the, I mean the important keys are right at your f f you know right at uh at a convenient place for you to to access them. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 145.63 145.82 Mm. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 146.34 148.96 Which is ant anti-R. S. I. . 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 148.96 150.09 Yeah. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 151.44 153.99 And it's also conformable to the size of your hand. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 150.09 151.44 It should be. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 153.99 157.22 I mean if that's too big, it's a rubber remote, so you can, you know 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 149.69 150.16 Mm. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 156.21 156.49 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 158.59 159.22 'S great. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 158.93 161.63 change that. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 161.63 168.95 So d does that uh what mesh with what you guys were hoping and for and expecting or does it 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 161.3 162.53 Oh it's so cute. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 168.5 178.37 I have one thing about it, but it's a small thing, but it'd mean we'd have to make a right-handed one and a left-handed one. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 178.75 181.07 Ah, that's good thinking, yeah. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 178.96 179.61 Oh right, yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 181.97 184.7 But, that's I don't see why that's not possible. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 184.18 188.88 Yeah, if we build rocket ships why can't we build left-handed and right-handed uh remotes. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 187.52 189.28 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 189.28 193.62 They make left-handed scissors, you know. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 191.58 196.46 Yeah, I didn't I didn't think about that, but I'd yeah,. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 193.67 194.37 Yeah, but then 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 197.32 205.31 but then you can learn to use your right h like I was just thinking if there's left-handers and right-handers in the family, what, they have two remotes? 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 205.48 207.24 Yes s 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 215.97 218.27 and everybody is using right-handed mouse. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 205.82 215.97 I know I know people who have left-handed and right-handed people in the family and they all use the computer for the whole the same computer the fes family and they have a mouse 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 205.64 205.82 Yeah 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 215.04 215.79 Sure. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 214.38 215.04 Mm. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 215.79 216.3 Sure. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 217.83 219.87 Yeah, I'm sure they'll be able to 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 220.76 220.99 Uh-huh. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 225.34 228.35 I think everybody can press a button with their left and right hand so 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 221.2 225.34 I mean it's only pressing buttons, you don't have to do anything, you know, extraordinary. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 226.1 226.39 Yeah. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 228.29 229.95 Imagine d are you right handed? 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 230.78 231.09 Yeah. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 231.44 234.67 Imagine you're doing it with your left hand, I don't think it's too 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 234.61 235.24 Yeah, it's not 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 238.16 240.43 But we can have both uh 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 240.85 241.28 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 244.4 245.32 Have them in stock. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 245.7 246.05 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 246.13 246.56 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 247.01 248.24 Make 'em more appealing as well. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 251.82 255.06 that's just something, I think I think it's great, yeah, great idea. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 248.22 251.82 But um other than that, I mean uh and that's um, you know,
ES2007d H02 MEE027 255.56 257.58 Do you think it says R. R. ? 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 257.05 259.89 I think it does. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 259.56 267.99 I think it's, well, if the R. R. motto is, we bring fashion to to electronics, I'd say that could be quite fashionable. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 263.99 266.32 Fashion to electronics. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 266.32 266.61 Yeah. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 266.55 266.97 Yeah. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 268.18 268.72 Yeah. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 268.72 270.41 And it's got the b the black and yellow and blue. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 271.63 275.49 Plus red, which is sort of a a fruit and vegetable uh uh. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 271.99 272.69 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 274.94 278.33 Yeah. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 275.29 276.37 There you go. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 280.36 282.95 So that's that's our end of things wha uh 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 283.39 283.9 That's 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 284.26 294.08 It's come up with what we've you know, the things that's what we've what we were looking at doing, hasn't it, all seems to be there. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 283.43 284.26 Yeah, very good, yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 294.08 294.7 Well done. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 289.67 289.92 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 295.19 297.58 And all the playing around is uh 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 298.05 300.16 Um before we move on 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 302 302.3 Okay. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 299.64 302 Yeah, I'm just do you wanna plug in? 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 304.83 305.48 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 305.48 305.95 Um. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 303.64 304.83 Thank you. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 301.19 303.64 I need that cable. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 307.52 312.26 One thing I do need to do we need to look at, is the costs. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 314.27 315.38 The costs, was that what you said? 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 315.58 319.31 Play-Doh is very cheap. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 316.76 318.94 Well, yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 318.05 318.27 Mm. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 320.52 321.87 um 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 321.32 327.44 Play-Doh won't last very long everybody'll go like, oops, it's gone. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 326.8 327.52 But it's edible. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 328.56 329.48 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 329.48 329.81 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 330.39 330.99 Chew proof. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 331.97 334.11 Well, they'll buy more of them if you eat them,. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 333.35 336.33 That was the main criteria from the last meeting, it had to be chew proof. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 336.42 336.77 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 342.96 349.46 Okay, now I think we'll do this I could do you know, I can do this o on my own or I could do it with you,
ES2007d H00 MEE025 339.68 342.96 Uh right. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 349.46 356.63 but it's just easy enough to go through it with you, so we're going for the kinetic power. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 345.12 345.28 Yeah. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 347.22 348.09 Oh ho-ho. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 356.21 356.45 Yep. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 357.88 363.91 And the electronics, we decided on it being just a simple, the easiest 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 368.78 373.53 So the case, we've gone for the double curved. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 365.01 367.7 thing that's inside it. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 367.7 368.78 Ooh. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 375.66 376.66 Um 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 377.81 379.01 and it's made out of rubber. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 381.34 384.86 The interface is push-buttons. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 393.91 395.96 So special colours. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 388.14 393.91 And button supplements well they're in diff special colours, aren't they? 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 393.35 393.78 Yeah. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 394.59 394.84 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 397.49 398.84 It's better for 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 398.01 401.82 Special form, yeah, they're a special form there in shapes and stuff. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 401.8 405.33 Yeah, I mean, these these ones on the side are curved kind of, so 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 402.03 403.42 And special material. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 403.85 404.49 Yep. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 406.16 406.88 Um. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 404.49 406.16 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 413.03 416.7 They're not made out of wood or titanium or rubber or anything, they're just simple 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 412.11 413.03 No they're not. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 410.1 412.11 Are they made out of any special material? 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 410.4 411.15 Rubber. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 417.78 419.03 Well they're rubber, aren't they? 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 418.1 418.88 The buttons are rubber. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 428.31 430.54 That is gonna cost uh Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 419.34 420.64 Okay. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 426.75 428.31 And it does. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 422.67 426.75 So let's see if that comes within budget. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 440.8 441.7 So, 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 430.54 436.45 That's gonna cost ten ten Euro seventy cents a unit to make. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 436.45 440.8 And our target was it had to come in at under twelve fifty. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 420.64 422.67 Right. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 419.97 420.22 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 428.62 429.6 We're under budget. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 436.58 436.96 That's cool. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 439.14 439.93 Yeah. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 439.93 440.22 Yeah. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 441.51 444.05 And we're actua actually making a better profit than we expected. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 447.32 450.5 The bosses will be very pleased. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 450.5 455.56 Okay, let's just save this so I can e-mail it to you. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 455.56 456.03 Uh. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 444.47 447.32 this is all very very good. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 459.64 469.83 Save it in save it in the uh my documents. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 461.94 463.16 It's already saved, I think. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 481.9 483.12 Okay. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 480.1 481.9 Splendid. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 487.6 493.05 So uh, that's done with this with this um doodah, so you're. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 493.05 494.44 Gonna do what you were gonna do, 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 493.49 494.15 Thank you. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 498.39 499.32 Mm. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 499.75 501.18 your evaluation. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 503.05 508.85 This is where we all get to I get to write on the, oops, on the board. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 508.85 510.64 Right. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 510.64 510.83 Oh. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 501.83 503.05 Oh, yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 512.53 513.76 'S function 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 514.13 514.51 F. eight. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 516.74 518.15 Okay. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 521.73 523.76 I love the smell of that Play-Doh. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 524.14 526.39 Yeah, have some have some. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 524.66 525.04 Mm. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 525.15 530.23 I cou. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 530.67 533.29 So, evaluation. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 529.45 530.67 Okay. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 549.17 560.83 And the criterias are, and I'll draw this up on the board so we have a box 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 537.83 541.78 And we have to do it on a scale of one to seven, one being true,
ES2007d H03 FEE028 535.99 537.83 I've got the criterias. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 541.78 549.17 so it's it's more like it's fits the criteria, and seven being as in it doesn't fit the criteria. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 533.29 535.99 We're gonna do it all together so we evaluate each criteria. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 571.52 573.24 And this is false, this is just like 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 584.45 585.5 Okay, cool. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 596.23 598.34 So what mark should we give for that? 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 585.5 587.55 Okay, first criteria, look and feel. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 574.46 575.76 to keep you informed. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 582.73 584.45 Do you all get what we're doing? 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 591 596.23 As it is it colour-wise and is it spongy? 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 575.76 580.74 So seven's here and one's here and then you've got in the middle. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 587.55 591 So the does remote look and feel fashionable to what we talked about? 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 580.74 582.73 So the first criteria. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 583.97 584.17 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 584.16 584.37 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 596.71 596.77 Mm. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 597.38 599.15 I would give it a seven. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 598.74 599.59 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 600.55 601.26 As in it's not. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 601.59 603.2 Oh, sorry, one. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 602.08 603.97 Oh sorry, one, d yeah. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 602.46 602.99 A one. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 617.86 620.96 As in the new high-tech 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 611.46 614.79 Second criteria, new technology. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 614.79 617.86 Have we implemented new technology? 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 602.7 604.4 A one a one. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 604.4 611.46 So I'll just write criteria criteria one we get one. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 618.88 620.26 Well, the kinetic thing, yeah. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 620.29 620.64 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 620.58 621.02 Yeah. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 622.16 629.17 That was our main technological innovation w every everything else was fairly simple, but the fact that we used the kinetic energy was new. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 625.55 625.95 So it's. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 627.25 628.14 So we'll give it a 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 628.8 630.48 Well so the um 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 630.63 635.37 It's ergonomic, but that's not that's that's a design that's a des that's a design thing, yeah. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 631.5 631.8 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 635.71 637.91 So on the technical side of it it 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 631.83 635.71 Yeah, but that's not a technological thing, that's another thing, i that's another marketing thing. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 635.04 635.45 True. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 634.4 635.04 Yeah. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 633.16 634.4 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 635.66 636.05 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 641.11 641.79 Three. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 639.8 641.11 Two. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 637.7 639.8 I'd say it's about a a twoish? 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 638.72 641.45 It's about in the mid in the middle somewhere, maybe, yeah, I dunno. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 639.17 639.88 Two. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 642.09 642.46 Yeah. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 642.49 643.15 Maybe three, yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 644.41 645.33 three. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 651.35 653.44 I think it's a one, I think. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 647.42 651.35 So criteria three is is it easy to use? 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 652.29 656.03 I'd say it's I wouldn't not if you're left-handed it's not. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 650.25 652.29 Easy to use. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 652.52 652.75 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 660.34 665.45 'cause i i it i it i it is more geared for right-handed people than left-handed people, but 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 657.17 660.34 I would give it a I would give it a two,
ES2007d H02 MEE027 657.48 657.76 Mm. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 659.52 660.61 Two, so it's 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 660.94 661.22 Okay. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 665.32 667.52 But if we make a right-handed and a left-handed then? 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 665.45 665.91 Mm. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 670.13 674.48 If we're gonna have one left-handed and one right-handed then I would give it a one, but otherwise otherwise a two. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 673.38 673.77 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 673.41 673.89 Yeah. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 674.52 674.89 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 675.9 677.08 Give it a t give it a two. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 677.34 679.4 Yeah, okay. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 679.4 683.68 'Kay, criteria four is costs. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 683.68 685.76 's great. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 683.59 685.18 It's come in under budget. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 682.08 683.59 Cost. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 685.18 686.33 So that's a definite one. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 686.43 686.9 That was great. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 685.17 686.43 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 687.67 688.13 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 691.37 693.03 Amount of buttons. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 693.16 696.03 Like the amount of buttons, 'cause people like a lot le like 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 694.4 697.43 Contains only the necessary buttons. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 697.43 697.99 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 696.56 697.18 So it's a one? 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 697.45 697.93 Yeah. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 698.04 698.36 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 704.58 706.08 Very good. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 711.07 712.19 Is it easy to get lost? 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 703.38 704.58 Yes. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 702.18 703.38 R. S. I. is it good against? 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 708.42 711.07 And criteria seven, which is the last one, does it get lost? 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 706.08 708.42 It's one. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 698.8 702.18 Um criteria six. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 702.73 706.65 Yes s yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 704.53 706.02 So it's anti-R. S. I. . 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 711.33 712.02 It's yellow. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 712.45 714.65 It is very bright, yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 712.63 714.45 I don't think it's gonna get lost easily. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 714.93 715.49 No? 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 715.49 716.88 But it is smallish. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 718.01 721.71 It's not the kinda thing that's gonna slip like between a couch cushion or something, you know. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 718.37 718.95 Two. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 726.46 727.06 Uh. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 724 726.46 Maybe it will. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 726.52 726.91 T 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 726.76 727.36 Mm. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 727.36 729.84 I think i it would, could be, could get lost. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 729.42 730.48 You think it could lost 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 730.78 732.36 two. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 731.17 732.32 Mm. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 732.32 733.22 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 733.22 738.31 I mean it's not fully it's not fully like you can't say I mean, it's not a one, definitely. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 732.38 732.55 Mm. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 733.49 733.96 I mean it 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 735.62 736.14 No, I mean 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 737.86 740.78 I mean, you could still flush it down the toilet theoretically, but 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 738.19 738.39 Okay. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 741.05 741.34 Okay. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 740.16 741.05 Yeah, anything, I mean. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 741.34 743.64 It's bigger than the average mobile, I guess. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 743.97 744.56 Yeah. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 745.51 746.32 But, yeah, it can get lost. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 746.92 748.19 The mobiles get lost all the time. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 748.53 749.45 Yeah. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 749.45 750.27 Okay, yeah, two is fine. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 754.23 754.67 So 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 749.99 754.23 But then you ring 'em and you find them. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 752.1 752.65 Mm. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 752.65 752.95 Mm. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 752.14 752.98 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 755.07 755.52 Okay. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 755.67 756.11 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 756.11 757.09 So, that's that. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 757.71 759.58 So that's the evaluation, so I'd say 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 761.3 761.69 Yay. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 761.91 764.94 We've, we've done well. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 762.29 764.44 Alright it's all all systems go. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 762.92 766.88 It's like like a number one. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 766.88 767.44 Um. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 765.11 765.37 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 768.65 769.68 Number one product. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 770.36 770.65 Mm. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 770.94 772.99 We can't fail. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 771.16 772.07 All done, thanks. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 772.63 777.68 We fitted all the criterias. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 777.68 778.15 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 779.76 780.75 Yeah, so 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 782.55 783.46 Well done, Reissa. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 784.99 785.6 So that's that one. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 817.96 825.16 That's all, you know, gone very very well and and and be you know, has been good communication going on. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 811.22 817.96 you know, integrally, you know, at the right times, psp, you know, especially you two. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 794.52 801.77 little bit of praise for everybody here for how they've worked on it, you know, both individually and as a team. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 786.63 794.52 Okay, I I think um I just wanna put in as Project Manager the you know,
ES2007d H00 MEE025 801.77 811.22 You know you've w everyone's come up with their own individual ideas in their own different departments, um and then come together and worked in,
ES2007d H02 MEE027 819.41 819.69 Yeah. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 824.92 832.75 Yeah, during our design I mean there was some s some heated heated discussion, but we we kept we tried to keep it cool and and 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 832.39 839.31 Did you have to go down to the the corporate squash court and bash a few balls about? 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 834.04 834.89 just just 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 836.86 842.39 We just had to we just had to squeeze our product a little bit and 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 837.32 837.98 Well. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 839.54 840 You know 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 843.84 845.83 Fantastic. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 848.19 852.05 Think we're the we're the envy of all the of all the other R. R. teams,. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 845.75 848.19 Now you guys have been a a great team. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 845.87 846.86 It is. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 848.91 850.12 been cool. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 856.4 860.37 something that hasn't been done before, we haven't we're not just rehashing an old design. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 851.98 856.4 I think So I I, you know, and I think we've co we have come we've come up with something new,
ES2007d H03 FEE028 864.64 866.61 Funny, all designer meetings could be this quick. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 861.57 864.64 In four diff in in four meetings. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 864.07 864.44 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 868.02 878.51 You know, maybe this isn't a simulation, maybe this is actually so it's like Sony or someone like that they're they're just, yeah, they get 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 873.13 877.09 Yeah I think they're actually trying to find ideas for a ideal remote. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 877.48 878.98 They're using our ideas. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 880.83 884.15 Yeah, two years' time this will be on the market. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 884.15 892.62 Ex exactly that product um thum we'll go, yeah, we designed that and no-one will believe us. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 892.62 894.7 But um 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 879.78 880.83 Yeah. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 899 902.59 We don't uh have another one after it's gone gone to marke market or something? 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 895.75 899 So at this stage, I mean, is this the last meeting of the project? 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 899.79 900.24 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 909.35 911.28 Or six, uh 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 901.33 909.35 No, I think when this meeting's finished like officially, there b we'll get a uh questionnaire to fill in. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 904.35 904.64 Y 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 906.93 907.45 Oh really? 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 910.64 911.88 Just start summarising now. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 913.02 915.65 You can reply to the same message. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 917.27 919.07 I haven't got message. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 920.76 922 If you just reply to that one. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 919.22 920.76 See summary, there. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 927.56 931.1 So there's no way to like predict what our 'Cause we had a we originally had a 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 938.16 941.29 It was fifty mil fifty million 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 932.13 938.16 As far as our financial uh um goals, we had a specific number for profits that we wanted. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 940.92 942.3 Was it was it fifty or five? 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 943.05 944.06 I don't remember. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 944.06 948.55 But there's not a way to compute that, I mean, since we saved on the on the production cost 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 948.55 951.03 do we know how much we're making on profit? 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 978.58 984.31 the all the guys in the profit sharing, yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 968.76 978.58 the b the profits and all that that's other departments it's another team that actually work out the mai the oh yeah,
ES2007d H00 MEE025 964.33 968.76 When it c when it comes to all the other things of how to sell it and, you know 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 951.41 954.55 It gets handed over to another department. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 959.7 964.33 the for the and just basically is it it come can is it within budget. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 984.31 984.88 Um. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 954.55 959.7 What our what our project was was to come up with the product, basically. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 951.52 952.61 Depends how much we sell. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 953.65 954.19 Uh. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 958.39 958.53 Hmm. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 975.63 979.52 But we have a vested interest prof profit sharing. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 995.07 1000.44 it's within budget, it's does everything that we wanted it to do. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 987.32 988.41 Yeah, that's it. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1000.44 1002.55 It's new, it's it's um 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 988.41 995.07 You know, we've we've we've made i we've made we've designed the product, we've ma we've got the prototype,
ES2007d H03 FEE028 989.59 991.59 We finished an hour earlier. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1003.99 1006.29 something that uh that isn't out there already. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1006.63 1012.01 I think actually and one advantage of of this is that after the uh, you know,
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1012.01 1017.23 after this fad of fruit and vegetables passes this will still be c a cool remote, you know. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1017.23 1023.94 We're not we're not you know, tying tying our cart to that one horse. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1016.28 1016.65 Mm. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1029.96 1035.93 it's that it's um, hang on, I wrote it down here somewhere 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1023.45 1029.96 Well, this is very marketable in that it is it's it's something that's kind of new and looks a bit quirky for people who want that,
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1021.3 1023.45 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1022.1 1022.37 Mm. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1023.9 1024.72 Definitely. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1056.76 1060.1 which is one of the criteria they asked us to come up with something with something new. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1041.73 1051.53 Um that, you know, it's marketable in the sense that it's whilst all these other remotes uh actually do give you repetitive strain injury,
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1051.53 1056.76 our one does the complete opposite, you know, so that's something that's new 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1037.56 1041.73 Oh no I thi I put it in one of my e-mails that I sent off. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1052.28 1052.47 Mm. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1053.82 1054.01 Mm. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1059.05 1059.24 Mm. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1060.32 1061.7 It make watching T. V. healthy. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1066.83 1068.38 It's fine, it's kid proof. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1062.41 1066.83 Yeah, and if you're not having a good time with the T. V., you can f throw it about, you know. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1062.9 1063.06 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1068.23 1071.36 Just don't sh don't throw it at any of the ornaments and break them. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1069.15 1069.36 Uh. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1082.86 1084.43 Well done everybody. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1080.01 1082.86 So all in all, I think we've done very well. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1076.74 1080.01 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1072.05 1076.74 Well, you can break the ornaments, but you won't break that. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1074.16 1075.91 No. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 1082.18 1082.47 Mm yep. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1084.74 1085.58 Yay. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1084.75 1085.58 Right, you too. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1086.48 1087.91 Drinks are on the company. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1085.76 1086.48 Um. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 1088.91 1089.42 Cool. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1100.72 1100.97 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1089.51 1100.72 In the corporate bar that's next to the corporate swimming pool on the top floor that we're that've all just gained access to. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1097.43 1098.71 Mm. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 1098.03 1098.94 Glad to hear that. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1105.82 1108.78 Well, as far as I t as far as I know. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1104.61 1105.82 That's it. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1108.78 1109.92 Um. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1105.3 1105.81 That's it. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1110.08 1110.36 Yep. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1112.92 1115.2 We haven't got the five minute left thing yet. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1116.07 1117.88 No. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1117.88 1121.79 Anyone wanna play I spy? 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1118.24 1120.07 Mm mm. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1122.7 1126.13 I guess it's probably better that we wrap it up than have five minutes of 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1127.46 1128.16 silence. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1131.94 1132.96 Should we call the day then? 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1134.36 1135.22 Yeah, I guess. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1135.22 1137.75 I mean we're gonna get asked to fill out another questionnaire. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1138.07 1138.66 Uh, right. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1139.82 1140.24 Um. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1141.89 1145.23 It's probably gonna be the same as one we've done before. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1145.69 1145.99 Mm-hmm. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1150.45 1151.27 In project. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1150.52 1154.26 But I'm not the authority to say that it is. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1157.59 1162.08 Um how does everyone feel about the technology that's been used in this? 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1162.08 1168 The sort of using of the the pens and writing on these special pads and all that? 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1173.8 1178.2 Being all wired up and a vibrating pen and it's cool. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1169.77 1171.77 I love it. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1168.47 1169.77 I love it. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1171.77 1173.8 I think it's cool. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1182.1 1182.3 Um 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1179.58 1182.1 Being watched. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1184.33 1185.7 Your moment to shine. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1185.77 1188.38 Wow. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1186.13 1189.95 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1199.63 1202.47 something that t the whiteboard 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1193.08 1199.63 I thi you know, I'd I'd n yeah, as we said earlier, I've not never seen that before. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 1202.7 1202.98 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1203.93 1205.91 thingy, that's great. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1222.91 1229.25 but as it's not it's literally that'll come up on a computer screen as a picture file rather than actual text. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1217.44 1222.91 It would be different if it was sort of hand writing recognition stuff 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1208.75 1213.74 Um, but a p a pen with a camera on it, I don't think it's such a new thing. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1213.74 1217.44 I mean it's i or in such a new idea. 
ES2007d H01 FEO026 1222.43 1222.96 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1229.48 1229.76 Mm. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1230.09 1233.63 Right, I think they do want to do hand writing recognition on that, it's just the first step. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1234.28 1234.58 Mm. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1232.77 1234.28 Yeah. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1232.02 1232.77 Yeah. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1235.85 1236.81 Logitech. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1237.41 1239.63 I guess we should end this, since we're off off topic. 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1240.33 1241.03 Yeah. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1240.77 1242.61 So. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1242.61 1243.07 Shall we 
ES2007d H03 FEE028 1242.99 1244.08 Meeting adjourned. 
ES2007d H02 MEE027 1244.4 1244.68 Right. 
ES2007d H00 MEE025 1247.33 1247.77 Yeah. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 31.69 32.1 Hmm. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 32.79 33.86 Good morning everybody. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 35.36 37.49 I'm really excited to start this team. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 33.86 35.36 Um I'm glad you could all come. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 32.58 32.79 Okay. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 43.03 44.87 I I'll be the Project Manager. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 41.95 43.03 My name is Rose Lindgren. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 37.49 41.95 Um I'm just gonna have a little PowerPoint presentation for us, for our kick-off meeting. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 51.1 56.46 then we'll move into acquaintance such as getting to know each other a little bit, including a tool training exercise. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 46.13 51.1 Um our agenda today is we are gonna do a little opening and then I'm gonna talk a little bit about the project,
ES2008a H00 FEE029 56.46 61.64 And then we'll move into the project plan, do a little discussion and close, since we only have twenty five minutes. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 77.13 82.14 Um so we're gonna divide us up into three compa three parts. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 82.14 88.89 First the functional design which will be uh first we'll do individual work, come into a meeting, the conceptional design,
ES2008a H00 FEE029 94.34 99.59 So that we'll each be doing our own ideas and then coming together and um collaborating. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 72.86 77.13 I'm hoping that we can all work together to achieve all three of those. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 88.89 94.34 individual work and a meeting, and then the detailed design, individual work and a meeting. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 63.86 65.62 First of all our project aim. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 65.62 72.86 Um we are creating a new remote control which we have three goals about, it needs to be original, trendy and user-friendly. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 109.8 112.73 Um Alima, sorry, Alima. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 103.78 109.8 So um, what we're gonna do is start off with um let's start off with Amina. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 101.16 103.78 Okay, we're gonna get to know each other a little bit. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 117.18 122.84 Um introduce yourself, um say one thing about yourself and then draw your favourite animal and tell us about it. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 112.73 117.18 Um we're gonna do a little tool training, so we are gonna work with that whiteboard behind you. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 109.98 110.38 Alima. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 124.82 128.79 Um I don't know which one of these I have to bring with me. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 123.64 124.82 Okay. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 129.44 130.07 Probably both. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 146.8 148.35 I'm doing nationalism studies, 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 138.47 140.6 But uh let's see, introduce myself. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 130.33 135.81 Right, so, I'm supposed to draw my favourite animal. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 140.6 142.57 My name is Alima Bucciantini. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 142.57 146.8 Um I'm from the state of Maine in the US. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 135.81 138.47 I have no drawing skills whatsoever. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 149.25 151.12 blah, blah, blah, and I have no artistic talents. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 152.02 153.81 How do you spell your name? 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 153.08 154.5 A. L. I. M. A. . 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 154.62 155.11 Thanks. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 171.72 177.37 Not necessarily 'cause it's my absolute favourite animal, but just that I think they're drawable. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 165.21 171.72 I will draw a little turtle for you all. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 155.82 160.4 Oh, and I guess I'm the Industrial Designer on this project. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 160.4 165.21 So let's see if I can get um here. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 180.36 182.37 And you have the pretty little shell going on. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 186.79 187.21 Happy. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 185.05 186.79 Some little eyes. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 192.5 193.48 There you go. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 193.48 193.98 That's a turtle. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 195.19 195.4 Yes. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 195.91 197.4 So what are your favourite characteristics? 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 198.49 201.07 I I like the whole having a shell thing. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 201.07 207.81 It's quite cool carry your home around where you go, um quite decorative little animals, they can swim,
ES2008a H01 FEE030 197.54 198.49 Um. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 207.81 215.41 they can, they're very adaptable, they carry everything they need with them, um and they're easy to draw. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 200.49 200.9 Mm. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 216.32 218.4 Excellent. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 218.4 219.63 Shall we just go around the table? 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 220.07 220.85 Uh Okay. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 220.85 223.53 Well, my name is Iain uh 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 222.53 222.73 Mm. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 224.69 228.69 and I'm the User Interface Designer for the project. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 228.69 229.15 Um. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 230.56 231.09 And 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 231.61 233.21 I'll try and draw my favourite animal. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 238.62 242.29 No, you can erase the turtle, it's alright. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 239.09 242.8 I'll I should leave that one on there shouldn't I before I callously rub it off. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 242.75 244.69 Might be nice to have them all up there at same time. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 246.18 250.15 Um I'm not gonna draw it quite to scale um. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 274.8 276.79 Is that at least identifiable? 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 278.14 279.5 Snake. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 279.5 280.14 Well, snake? 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 280.14 283.04 It's w 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 278.29 278.76 Well. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 283.5 292.75 Um and, yeah, the reason I like whales is 'cause uh they're well, first of all they're quite intelligent um and also they're they're kind of mysterious,
ES2008a H02 MEE031 281.05 283.5 Thanks. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 279.06 281.05 It's a whale, yes. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 299.24 301.29 And I just find them interesting animals. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 292.75 299.24 like we don't really know much about them or or understand how they work, how they form groups. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 279.07 279.37 Em 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 281.2 283.1 Oh my god, it's better than what I'm gonna be able to do. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 308.14 309.87 Take my contraptions with me. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 313.57 318.25 I'm from around D. C. ish sort of in the U. S. . 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 312.1 313.57 Alright, I'm Jessy. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 319.19 324.38 And we're gonna keep the deep sea sort of theme going on, animal. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 328.44 330.29 Don't really know how to draw this. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 330.87 331.98 Just where can I 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 333.73 334.25 Mm. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 339.48 339.71 Mm. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 341.06 343.12 Maybe if I do the water, but how? 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 346.74 349.34 I have no idea how one would explain this. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 343.94 346.74 Sort of give an idea. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 350.7 352.48 Mm maybe with some whiskers. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 353.53 355.56 Briefly, it's supposed to be a seal. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 358.6 364.27 I like them, because they are like playful and silly sort of have a good time. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 356.66 358.6 You can imagine it in the water. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 366.07 370.41 Not gonna try and pretend like I can get any better than that. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 372.67 373.31 Mm 'kay. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 375.64 376.02 Mm 'kay? 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 376.02 380.75 I'm Rose and I'm Project Manager, from California. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 382.26 382.93 Um. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 387 387.39 Hmm. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 407.82 411.12 S 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 409.86 413.37 Oh, a cat. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 411.52 414.64 It's definitely significantly harder once you are doing it. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 414.76 414.88 Yeah. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 416.73 417.85 Let's see. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 417.85 421.63 Let's see, let's give it a little bit of a snout, I don't know, some teeth. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 415.11 416.73 Um it's actually a coyote. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 417.09 417.31 Right. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 417.72 418.89 That's impressive. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 420.78 421.25 That's 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 423.32 423.56 Yeah. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 424.04 424.91 That's pretty impressive. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 424.46 425.63 Cool. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 429.42 433.23 I live um I live right across the street from an open space in California. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 435.7 440.1 So I really enjoy their their singing, you they're really beautiful animals. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 440.1 440.46 Mm. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 428.86 429.42 Yes. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 425.09 428.86 Oh dear. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 433.23 435.7 We have coyotes howl all the time. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 442.42 445.42 Okay um, moving on to 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 448.95 452.89 We're gonna talk about project finances. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 446.01 448.95 slightly more serious stuff. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 467.79 471.14 like it's an international market range, we don't have to worry about specifics. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 452.89 467.79 Um we have a couple we'd like to sell it for about twenty five Euro with the profit aim of um fifteen million Euro um from our sales and because this is such this is for television it's a we have a market range of Internet,
ES2008a H00 FEE029 471.89 482.36 Um in order to make a profit of this magnitude, we need to um be able to produce each one at a maximum of twelve fifty Euro. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 482.36 485.24 So we're selling it for twice what we'd like to produce it for. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 500.5 504.29 um your first ideas about um creating a new r remote control,
ES2008a H00 FEE029 504.29 511.71 what would be the best um like you what are the features that you really like what are the features that you don't like, etcetera, so 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 490.42 500.5 Okay um, just to generate a little bit of discussion about the project um, I could I'd like to hear about your experiences using ro remote controls 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 525.95 535.45 Now they keep combining all different remotes together, and I don't know if I necessarily like that 'cause I feel like you end up with multimedia overload. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 513.36 525.48 Um I hate when there's like four different buttons and you have to press to actually turn on the T. V. like you have to do one for the power of the T. V. and then like another one to get the actual screen on and something else to get it all going 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 535.45 538.37 I just wanna watch the T. V. um. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 525.48 525.95 I don't know. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 536.79 537.2 Hmm. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 541.42 542.79 Always gets lost. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 542.79 543.42 Some sort of like 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 544.47 546.15 device to help you find it. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 551.1 559.17 I've used, I've used remote controls, for things like T. V. and the C. D. player and video recorder and 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 563.39 567.05 You don't have to get up and walk across the room to change a channel. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 571.04 571.53 Um. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 560.34 563.39 I I guess they're they're pretty neat neat little tools uh. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 567.05 571.04 So especially if you're someone really lazy like me they they're pretty nice. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 565.86 566.34 Mm. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 581.36 586.15 you know, one for the T. V., one for the digital box, one for m the video recorder as well. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 576.15 581.36 like you know if I'm watching T. V. I have have to have three separate remote controls of in front of me,
ES2008a H02 MEE031 573 576.15 I find them they can be a bit annoying, especially 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 586.15 586.79 Um. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 588.15 590.89 And also they tend to they tend to be a bit confusing 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 599.59 600.83 change the channel, change the volume. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 590.89 599.59 they've got too many buttons on them uh too too sort of too sort of complicated when all I really wanna do is switch on and off,
ES2008a H01 FEE030 603.44 604.33 Yeah um. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 608.91 615.62 My dad has a whole drawer at home of remotes for various things, and I don't know how to work half of them um. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 605.8 608.91 I agree with having too many remotes around. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 624.33 628.61 they are not too small, you know you know you need to n to know what you're doing. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 617.42 624.33 What's important for me, I guess, is that it's easy to use and that there's not too many buttons,
ES2008a H01 FEE030 640.91 647.35 but I know in my residence right now the the television you sort of have to walk all around the room to get it to turn on 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 647.35 651.26 so i it's just simpler just to just turn around the T. V. itself,
ES2008a H01 FEE030 630.21 638.34 And one thing I particularly like is if you are not um sort of moving it around to get it to work with the infra-red. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 651.26 655.81 and I think that's if we're gonna make a remote control, it should actually work for what it's doing. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 638.34 640.91 Um, I think there is a way around that 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 637.59 638.03 Yeah. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 638.12 638.29 Yeah. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 646.42 647.99 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 657.32 657.86 So 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 657.92 662.32 What about like batteries and things like that, like are there some remotes that don don't require 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 663.43 666.33 like batteries or do all remotes require batteries? 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 681.06 681.4 Um. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 666.29 668.12 Um I would imagine all of them 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 668.12 674.81 but we could but it's possible we could use like a lithium battery um that would last a lot longer than like double A. s. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 674.81 681.06 Um like tho those are the batteries that are used in a lot of um M. P. three players now and that kind of thing. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 667.58 668.62 I know. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 671.94 673.4 Yeah, something that doesn't 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 673.67 674.06 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 680 680.25 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 682.36 682.44 Mm. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 705.75 706.71 So how do we work with that? 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 697.8 705.75 So um like you said you don't like having all the buttons on one on one remote, and yet you don't wanna have five remotes. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 685.9 687.94 Um. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 687.94 697.8 Okay, it seems we have a little bit of a conflict over um to uh combining all the remotes cont together versus having f five different remotes. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 707.48 708.61 Could we get something that 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 705.77 707.48 Yeah. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 705.9 706.12 Mm. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 709.65 710.81 just has 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 711.9 721.09 No doesn't have all the buttons that you need to program the video recorder or program s other things that I'm not very coherent about,
ES2008a H01 FEE030 721.09 728.23 but that just has your major buttons for that work for everything, you know volume control, on, off, 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 726.96 727.38 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 729.67 730.49 channel changing. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 735.43 740.68 like the top thing on the remote, I dunno if d be vertical or horizontal in terms of how we're gonna make it,
ES2008a H03 FEE032 744.06 749.97 all the whatever else we have programmed into it it's all just in its separate place and not like all the on buttons together,
ES2008a H03 FEE032 730.72 735.43 And maybe that spatially divides it, so it's like if you're looki if you're trying to get the T. V. on that's, you know,
ES2008a H03 FEE032 749.97 751.69 'cause then you like, I don't even know what I'm turning on. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 740.68 744.06 but if it's like all the T. V. stuff was here, then all the V. C. R. stuff was here 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 739.5 739.91 Yeah. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 745.5 746.14 Mm. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 745.88 746.47 N that way 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 747.63 747.92 Yeah. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 751.36 760.24 Yeah, and if um if you'd save the more complicated functions maybe for separate remotes that you wouldn't need to use every day. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 751.55 752.06 Mm. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 760.71 761.16 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 768.66 774.54 Because that is one thing that um remotes tend to have buttons that the T. V. s no longer have as well. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 761.29 764.91 Okay, so maybe have like one remote that has the main functions on, off,
ES2008a H00 FEE029 764.91 768.66 channel changing, volume, and another rote remote with all the special things. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 774.54 778.92 So like you have to have them somewhere, 'cause you're gonna m need those special functions occasionally. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 778.92 783.53 Um but not necessarily on the m the normal remote. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 761.51 761.7 Um. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 768.8 768.94 Yeah. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 774.3 774.63 Mm. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 774.57 774.71 Yeah. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 778.8 779.1 Right. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 783.99 793.98 Can I ask, are we designing a remote control for a television only um, and if if this device is just to be used for the television 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 788.52 790.11 Good question. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 795.05 799.09 would we even technically be possible to include video recorder functions on it? 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 801.04 802.86 I don't know that yet. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 801.8 808.29 Um or should we just stick to just stick to having television television related buttons on it? 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 808.13 808.35 Mm. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 811.58 812.08 Um. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 810.4 811.58 It's a good question. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 813.95 814.84 I'll look into that. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 814.08 814.7 Mm-hmm hmm. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 815.99 816.7 If I can. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 816.24 826.53 I think it's just T. V., I mean, if it if we're taking it just new product a new television remote control that's not like doesn't say. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 827.41 827.65 Mm yeah. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 828.63 831.04 You know, things might be more advanced than that. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 831 831.21 Mm. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 833 837.74 So we should maybe we should assume that i t it's just a television that we're wanting to control. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 839.03 839.98 Well 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 839.98 848.03 I mean I suppose it would be nice to have playing and record and stop buttons on it for the video recorder as well I I don't know if that works technologically or not. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 854.42 859.82 If it's just a television then that it's a bit simpler, 'cause there's less buttons that would even need to be on it. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 850.6 854.42 I guess we have to define what what we're aiming for. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 850.31 850.6 Yes. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 860.47 860.68 Yeah. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 861.52 863.19 It's an idea with the buttons being really. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 865.41 869.38 If you have older people or people like me that aren't very co-ordinated hand-eye,
ES2008a H01 FEE030 864.42 865.41 Large. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 869.38 875.59 it's really quite important that you are not pressing a small like teeny mobiles phone size buttons, if we can help it. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 865.28 865.53 Yeah. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 870.43 870.76 Mm. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 874.76 874.93 Yeah. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 883.97 886.71 Ps mm okay. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 886.71 891.62 Um now our next meeting starts in thirty minutes. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 891.62 898.66 I believe we've actually been only working on this this one for about twenty, so we can continue discussing more new ideas if you'd like um, 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 882.79 883.97 Mind if we move on? 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 878.47 879.36 Okay. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 879.36 882.79 'Kay sounds like we've had a good little discussion for our first ideas. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 884.19 884.33 'Kay. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 884.29 884.48 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 895.59 895.89 Hmm. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 925.72 930.85 um I guess kind of the same uh discussion that we've been having, we'll get from the actual consum s consumers. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 918.09 925.72 Um user requirements um, so you'll be hearing about different trends, uh about different things that people need,
ES2008a H00 FEE029 908.75 913.11 Um the User Interface Designer, that's for. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 903.23 908.75 Um the industrial design, Alima will be doing um the working design. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 899.51 903.23 but this is just a breakdown of what we'll be doing individually. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 913.11 918.09 Technical functions, I guess like keeping in mind the buttons thing, the size of the buttons. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 905.59 905.83 Yeah. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 928.64 928.92 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 943.31 955.66 Um so very exited to see all your animals and how what wonderful um artists we all are um. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 938.78 943.31 I realised in this past one we we didn't have much, we just wanted to get a little brain-storming done. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 932.89 935.78 Mm 'kay um. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 935.78 938.78 And you will get specific instructions sent by your personal coach. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 958.66 959.4 Any questions? 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 975.29 975.93 Do we know that? 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 972.63 975.29 What we're gonna be discussing at the next meeting? 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 976.01 979.07 I haven't gotten an agenda yet, um I'll put that together. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 986.5 991.37 So I'm sure we'll all have more concrete things to contribute next time 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 979.07 986.5 I'm sure as we'll each get our own instruction and then um because what we gonna do is first our individual actions and then we'll come back together. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 979.38 979.58 Right. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 986.13 986.3 Yep. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 988.8 988.87 'Kay. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 991.82 991.98 Yep. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 992.5 993.36 I'm sure we'll be busy. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 1002.47 1006 Um just including all the things that we talked about. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 1006 1006.51 Um. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 996.44 1002.47 Mm 'kay um I'll type up mi minutes and probably email those out to all of you. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 1002.35 1002.73 Okay. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 1008.21 1008.8 Is that possible? 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 1005.96 1008.21 Can you e-mail your slides as well? 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 1009.26 1011.04 Yes, I yes, I think I can. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 1018.03 1018.77 Okay. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 1011.04 1012.03 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 1017.47 1018.03 Is that correct? 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 1012.03 1013.94 I'll just attach it to an email. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 1013.94 1017.47 And you're you're number two, three, four? 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 1011.06 1011.23 Cool. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 1015.7 1016.2 I'm two. 
ES2008a H03 FEE032 1016.96 1017.78 I'm four. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 1020.14 1020.35 Alright. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 1021.51 1022.62 It was lovely meeting you all. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 1021.15 1021.51 Excellent. 
ES2008a H02 MEE031 1022.39 1022.5 'Kay 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 1032.66 1036.41 Just make sure you keep checking the company web site and the emails. 
ES2008a H01 FEE030 1038.02 1038.31 'Kay. 
ES2008a H00 FEE029 1039.88 1041.14 Let me see if I can do that right now. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 51.43 53.65 Let's see if that comes up. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 49.68 51.43 Good to see you all again. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 58.23 59.84 This is our functional design meeting. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 61.08 61.66 Um. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 63.05 64.59 Just a sec while my PowerPoint comes up. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 66.78 67.2 Et voila. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 72.4 75.02 Mm um we put the fashion in electronics. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 71.73 72.4 Okay. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 77.3 81.87 Okay, our agenda today um just check the time, it's twelve thirteen. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 75.79 77.3 Let's start. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 83.19 83.82 Um. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 97.59 104.37 Um I'll talk about the new project requirements I've just received, and then we have to make a decision on our remote control functions. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 109.45 109.85 So 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 91.53 97.59 So um then I we'll talk about our general objectives and have your three presentations. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 88.39 89.26 I e-mailed them to you. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 104.37 105.98 Finally we'll just close. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 85.33 88.39 I'm gonna do an opening, talk about um did you all get the minutes? 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 89.26 91.53 I'm also putting 'em them in the shared folder. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 105.98 109.45 We're starting this meeting at approximately twelve thirteen and we have forty minutes. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 89.55 90.06 Yep. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 91.75 92.08 Right. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 114.57 121.24 Uh we need to keep in mind the user requirement specification, what needs and desires are to be fulfilled,
ES2008b H00 FEE029 111.91 114.57 First of all the functional design objectives. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 121.24 128.68 the functions design, what effects the apparatus should have, and the working design, how the apparatus actually works to fulfil its function. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 130.83 135.26 Okay, three presentations, um you can go in any order you choose um. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 135.83 137.63 Mm shall we go in the order that you just did it? 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 138.15 138.94 Sure, please do. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 139.19 139.61 I dunno. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 143.03 147.68 How do I hook my screen up? 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 148.13 150.56 I think, you might have to disconnect Rose. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 149.74 150.51 Yes I do. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 161.68 162 Yeah. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 168.31 171.5 Well there's a wee a wee plug just just that one there 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 169.48 170.18 Where does it go? 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 170.18 170.51 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 172.83 174.95 Hmm, I'm not supposed to move this, but 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 177.96 178.86 Ah that's it, yep. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 186.71 190.84 And then you have to press function F. eight I think it is on your laptop. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 189.51 190.3 Function, F. eight, yeah. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 193.38 194.34 Where's function? 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 193.78 195.32 The blue one, F. N. . 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 207.22 208.01 No signal. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 209.14 212.56 Is it plugged in all the way and you screwed it in and 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 212.86 214.1 Ah, wait, 's screw in. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 212.88 213.17 Yeah. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 215.12 216.9 I I think you just have to push it in really hard. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 215.3 215.97 Push the screw. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 220.08 220.37 That's it. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 220.86 221.36 Oh, got it. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 223.43 224.89 It's taking it a little bit 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 222.41 223.43 Mm 'kay. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 222.86 223.45 Mm alright 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 225.23 227.7 I've never attached to anything. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 227.26 228.65 Mm, neither have I. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 229.67 230.28 'Kay there you go. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 231.28 240.17 Alright, so, I don't know if you guys are able to get access to um the report that was online or if I'm the only one who is. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 231.95 232.34 Alright. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 241.52 244.2 But, I don't even know how to play this. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 246.2 246.8 No. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 247.84 249.24 Press the little presentation. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 249.24 253.02 It's the um it looks like a Y. kind of over there above Draw. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 254.36 256.47 There, that one, there you go. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 263.47 266.41 Um I guess Real Reaction did some market research. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 257.45 263.47 So we're just gonna talk a little bit about the functional requirements that people specified when they were asked. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 256.08 257.45 Alright. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 266.41 280.22 They had a hundred subjects and their usability lab and they watched them watch T. V. and recorded the frequency that they used particular buttons and the relevance that those buttons had. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 328.02 336.5 whereas the older people in the like sixty and above segment or so did not really think that they would pay more money for voice recognitions. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 313.39 322.58 Um also they did some questions on voice recognition and found that the desire for voice recognition was inversely related to age 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 289.44 295.68 Focusing on their desires, um people specifically said that they thought remotes were ugly 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 301.43 306.47 eighty per cent said that they would be willing to pay more for a fancier looking remote. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 295.68 301.43 seventy five per cent of the a hundred subjects noted that and that they more importantly though 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 322.58 328.02 so younger people were more inclined to want something with voice recognition 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 285.35 289.44 What they found was they analysed people's desires and needs. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 306.47 313.39 I don't know anything beyond what fancy means, but that's particularly of use to us, I think. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 307.06 307.42 Hmm. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 337.73 344.92 Um people also had certain frustrations, that I think that we could try to take into consideration with 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 337.74 338.26 'Kay. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 356.65 366.59 People are also frustrated with the difficulty it is to learn how to use a remote and I think that ties back to what you were saying before just that there's too many buttons 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 366.59 368.68 it just needs to be easy to use. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 346.57 351.66 That being people k um frustrated with losing their remotes. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 368.68 375.47 It also mentioned something called R. S. I. and I was hoping someone might be able to inform me as to what R. S. I. is, because I don't know. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 351.66 356.65 I think, over fifty percent of the people mentioned that that was their biggest frustration. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 345.54 346.57 our design. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 364.49 365.15 Hmm. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 374.74 376.24 Repetitive strain injury. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 376.98 377.2 What? 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 377.36 378.57 Repetitive strain injury. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 398.53 405.56 People are only using ten per cent of the buttons that they have offered to them on their remote. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 380.93 382.74 People do not like that. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 378.55 379.56 Ah. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 382.74 389.69 So I guess sort of the carpal tunnel type thing, people do not like that, um the repetitive use, I guess, caused a strain. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 380.43 380.93 Wow. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 389.69 398.53 Um looking at the needs people specified, the problem right now is that people's remotes are not matching their operating behaviour. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 379.56 380.43 There we go. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 380.92 381.61 So if you 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 419.52 427.31 So we really just need to focus in on those volumes and channel changers rather than things like the audio settings,
ES2008b H03 FEE032 427.31 434.01 the screen settings and the channel settings, because they're used much more infrequently and probably just complicate what's going on. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 406.02 411.51 And what people do most often is changing the channel and changing the volume. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 411.51 419.52 People also zap like to change the channel, about um sixty five per cent during an hour of use. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 435.27 442.7 So I think that some things that we might wanna think about, the idea of an L. C. D. screen was brought up although they didn't have any details on 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 473.87 480.16 that it has a fancy appeal and that it's not ugly and that it feels like the way they're gonna use it 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 480.16 485.02 so it doesn't give them any hand injuries or things like that. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 468.54 473.87 And basically in order for us to win over to the consumer we just need to focus on what it looks like 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 458.14 468.54 you know, something like an audio setting isn't given as much importance and visibility on the remote as something like channel changing that's used a lot more often. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 443.81 447.93 what people's preferences on that were, so I dunno know if that's coming to me later, or something like that. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 447.93 457.18 But something for us to consider also just the phenomenon that less is more when it comes to the buttons on the remote or what we wanna make easiest to use 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 457.18 458.14 make sure that,
ES2008b H01 FEE030 485.31 485.69 Hmm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 489.6 490.26 Thank you very much. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 492.07 497.86 Um 's move on to the next presentation um on effects. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 490.26 492.07 That was that was great. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 499.67 500.21 Great. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 497.86 499.67 Was that you? 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 491.24 491.47 Mm 'kay. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 497.99 498.21 Hmm. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 501.87 502.92 Yeah, have I unscrewed it? 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 506.24 506.7 Push. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 508.81 509.99 User interface, right. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 511.51 512.39 Interface. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 517.02 517.23 Here we go. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 518.07 518.53 Cheers. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 518.79 518.88 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 524.79 528.37 And I think that's in the shared, if I did it right, if anyone wants to look at it. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 528.2 529 Mm 'kay, thank you. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 528.25 530.15 Okay, great. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 563.88 564.11 Okay. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 564.2 564.53 Here we go. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 569.97 576.14 Right so I'm gonna talk about the technical technical functions design of the remote control um. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 591.86 598.17 We we tell the remote control what we want to do, it sends a message to the television saying change the channel,
ES2008b H02 MEE031 578.12 581.37 We need to start by considering what a remote control actually is. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 598.17 602.91 change the volume, uh yeah, adjust these settings, adjust the brightness. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 581.37 591.86 It's a device that allows us to produce certain effects on our television, so i it's basically a communication device. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 605.11 608.99 Um how do we actually go about designing a new television remote control? 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 613.51 621.37 We need to know what our final product is gonna be like, so we need a a clear idea of exactly what this product does,
ES2008b H02 MEE031 610.08 613.51 First thing to do is to come up with the design specifications. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 621.37 626.15 uh how it works, and what the end-user is gonna want from this product. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 627.46 628.01 Um. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 629.19 638.49 Oh, a way I'd suggest that we could go about this is by designing uh several different prototypes of user interfaces for this product 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 638.49 643.36 um and then uh trying to get some feedback uh about 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 650.6 655.43 Um using a remote control is is quite a subjective experience. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 644.49 650.6 h how well these particular prototypes work, uh sorta find out what people think of 'em. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 655.43 656.14 Um, 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 655.49 656.22 Hmm. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 657.32 660.02 and different different people sort of prefer different things. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 682.39 690.72 But I think within that there is also room for us to introduce novel ideas uh and to make something that's that's perhaps a little bit different 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 672.66 682.39 So in some sense we're gonna we're gonna have to aim for a device which is fairly conventional in design uh so that we're not completely shocking people. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 661.19 667.22 Um we should remember that remote controls are a a fairly standard piece of equipment. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 667.22 672.66 When a users using a remote control, he or she expects the buttons to be in certain places. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 690.72 691.69 something that stands out. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 698.53 705.06 Uh the first of these is is technological ye uh what can we do with the current state of technology as it is. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 693.44 698.53 Um also in in designing the user interface we need to consider practicalities. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 705.06 709.9 The second is is economic, uh we need to find a balance between features and price. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 709.9 717.93 So as you mentioned things like voice recognition would would add to the price uh but it would also im improve the design of the product. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 716.18 716.5 Hmm. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 736.69 747.7 um how we can improve on the designs that that that I found and what can we do to make our product stand out from from the large majority of remote controls. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 728.23 733.03 In analysing these we can consider what what things what's good about them,
ES2008b H02 MEE031 733.03 736.69 uh what things do they get right, what's bad about them, what's wrong with 'em 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 720.05 728.23 So I had a look on the on the web uh to see if I could find a few examples of existing television remote controls. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 763.84 769.04 it's it's fully featured, everything you might possibly want to do is there, you know, it's got forward,
ES2008b H02 MEE031 749.49 754.15 Here's two examples uh probably at the extreme ends of the spectrum. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 773.56 778.38 Yeah, it's it's fully featured and it might take a while to get to learn to use it 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 769.04 773.56 backwards, up, down, channel numbers, volume, uh freeze frame. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 778.38 781.83 but once you've learned it you can you can do whatever you want with your T. V. . 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 754.15 763.84 Um on the left here we've got uh an engineering-based design for a remote control, so it's one that's got lots of buttons,
ES2008b H02 MEE031 789.39 794.97 It would be a lot quicker to learn to use it, but again th it's it's swings and roundabouts. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 799.89 803.4 Uh there's a lot of features that are missing from that remote control. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 794.97 799.89 There are disadvantages, you can't use it say to to freeze the television picture. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 782.58 784.39 The one on the right is a lot more basic. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 803.4 807.67 So we've got to to find our find a way of striking a balance between the two. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 784.39 789.39 It's just got the essential functions of the T. V. changing the channel, play, stop, volume. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 837.19 843.05 I also want something that that looks cool, um and that that feels good, that's ergonomically designed. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 816.35 821.98 Um personally wa what I want from a remote control is a device that's simple,
ES2008b H02 MEE031 809.92 816.35 Um as I said before, remote controls are subjective, different people want want different things. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 829.12 832.89 It it does everything that I need it to uh, as I said before,
ES2008b H02 MEE031 821.98 829.12 it it's easy to use, uh it's got big buttons for doing the things I do most often, changing the volume, changing the channel. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 832.89 837.19 I'm quite lazy, I don't wanna walk across the room just to adjust my television. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 851.35 856.51 It's funny to see the drastic difference between those two remotes. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 856.51 856.98 Um. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 848.13 848.51 Mm 'kay. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 849.33 851.35 That was very useful. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 848.51 849.33 Thank you very much. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 856.45 856.62 Hmm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 858.1 860.14 And neither of them were very pretty, you know? 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 859.82 860.29 No. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 861.05 862.93 I think that could be our selling point. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 860.15 861.05 Yeah. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 863.11 863.84 Mm. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 863.15 866.11 A fashion fashion remote. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 869.41 874.1 And I think that's that's why companies like Apple've 've 've made a lot of progress. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 865.46 869.41 I think there's there's certainly a market for technology that looks cool. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 865.53 866.17 Right. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 869.27 869.65 Mm. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 869.37 869.72 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 872.76 874.88 Hmm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 874.88 877.98 Right, I really can't see what I'm doing, so does anyone have a 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 873.01 873.33 Yeah. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 878.08 878.78 You there it is. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 888.39 892.78 Ah-ha, look at that, showing up already. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 892.25 892.9 Lovely. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 892.32 896.08 So wait, did it let you go on the Internet or was that just what it let you see? 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 895.62 898.49 Uh that was just on the d on the company web site, yeah. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 898.37 902.34 'Cause I was like googling and then I'm like wait it won't let me google. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 897.36 898.37 Okay. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 899.17 900.07 Hmm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 899.46 899.76 Yeah. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 903 904.44 Alright um 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 906.82 908.17 No, how do I play again? 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 918.34 919.73 Yeah, that one. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 909.18 911.92 Um the it's right above Draw. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 919.73 920.74 There are Y. s. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 911.92 915.28 There are three thingy if it's way at the bottom. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 915.28 918.34 Under three icons and it's the one that looks like a desk. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 915.04 915.27 Ah. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 923.07 933.62 Um I had a bit of some issues with this, because I wasn't able to find everything I needed, but I guess that's we're still in early stages. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 920.87 923.07 So this is our working design presentation. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 933.62 936.41 Um so, yeah, this is this. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 936.41 945.03 Though th the thing about working design is the what we're trying to do as a working design is figure out how the aparata apparatus can fulfil its function. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 919.86 920.87 Okay. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 966.76 970.34 Don't know if I'm explaining that very well, but how do I get to the next s ah. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 950.5 958.93 It works because it converts electrical energy to grinding the beans and then you put the bean through a filter and that filters out 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 945.49 950.5 Um one of the examples that kept coming up for me is that a coffee grinder. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 958.93 966.76 and then you get coffee at the end that's nice and hot because of the combination of electrical energy and then the other things that are brought in to make it work. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 971.16 979.65 So h the method as um working designers figure out what you need to make it fulfil this practical function 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 984.62 989.62 So wha the easiest thing to do is to break down all the points 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 979.65 984.62 what what needs to be done and how do we convert all the elements to make that done. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 993.57 997.39 So you make a schematic of the way that the the energy is converted 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 990.79 993.57 at which you need something to happen. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1005.34 1006.96 So um 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1000.2 1005.34 And then I think the easiest thing to do is gonna be work on each task separately. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 998.61 1000.2 tsh towards this practical function. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1009.25 1009.57 Uh. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1008.15 1009.25 Uh. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1008.42 1009.92 You just press yeah, just click. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1009.92 1010.35 That'll be fine. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1037.47 1044.59 which then goes through the infra-red, so the the chip that uh I think Ian is designing, is gonna be crucial. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1029.79 1037.47 because a lot of the things that happen in a remote control happen through the chip that controls that converts the electrical energy into data,
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1027.8 1029.79 Um the user interface is critical here 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1025.69 1027.8 So that's one thing we're gonna work on. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1010.66 1025.69 So the findings that I got uh very just very briefly is that you have a choice of the way that the information is projected to the receiver and in my opinion infra-red is the best way to do that 'cause you don't need a sight line. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1059.04 1065.85 which converts the data, the user that's controlling the chip, and the infra-red bulb that's gonna let us move the data to the receiver. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1051.67 1059.04 So the components that we find here are the energy source, you know the battery or whatever that's gonna m make it work, then the chip,
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1071 1077.43 You have your energy source right there which then um brings 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1065.85 1071 So you have four main components and they are designed sort of like this. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1045.07 1051.67 And really it all comes down to the to the user, because they're the one that's controlling most of the working design. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1078.99 1084.34 uh energy or information to the chip, which is also controlled by the users. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1084.34 1091.39 You have energy going to the user who's controlling the chip ooh 's not what I wanted to do uh uh. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1091.75 1095.25 Um yeah use that thing you can go back, previous. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1095.17 1095.73 Previous. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1097.07 1098.08 Sorry about that, guys. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1097.72 1099.22 Pardon. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1099.4 1099.88 Oh. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1102.36 1102.65 Okay. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1101.41 1102.36 Oh, well. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1101.41 1102.54 No, no, no, no, no. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1102.54 1104.83 Okay, let's just get back to my schematic here. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1105.93 1106.14 Ye 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1107.22 1107.97 Double click on it. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1109.25 1111.13 With the right with the left hand one. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1155.86 1160.36 We need a chip that works well with the user interface, that isn't too complicated. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1142.49 1147.7 This is the the parts of the working design that need to be figured out. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1112.73 1113.91 I think it's frozen. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1113.91 1114.57 Here. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1138.01 1142.49 So hopefully that makes sense for everyone in my kind of garbled way. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1118.67 1121.98 I'm kind of pathetic with things like this. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1117.51 1118.67 Sorry about this, guys. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1114.57 1116.64 Don't show me that tip again. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1135.1 1138.01 which will then bring the data to the receiver. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1129.2 1135.1 and the chip through the use of the user interface is gonna control the switch which will work your infra-red bulb 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1110.43 1112.73 W yeah, yeah. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1123.15 1129.2 So you have your energy source, your user interface who's controlling the chip, the chip also uses the energy 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1121.98 1123.15 Um alright. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1116.64 1117.51 There we are. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1147.7 1155.86 And personal preferences, besides the fact that I can't spell, we need a long-lasting energy source, people don't wanna be changing it a lot. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1115.87 1117.28 There we are. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1142.66 1143.26 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1170.83 1175.48 so that you're not waving your remote around and having to get frustrated and go do it by hands. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1175.48 1177.53 So that's pretty much it for the working design. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1161.76 1170.83 We need a straightforward interface, like Ian was saying, simple, not overwhelming it with information and we need a reliable and clear infra-red signal 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1172.68 1173.39 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1181.1 1182.21 Excellent. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1195.66 1197.3 So, um. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1203.08 1204.69 Rose, do you think you can give me a hand with this? 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1204.58 1205.55 Yes, absolutely. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1215.77 1217.83 Ah I can never tell which way to turn these things. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1217.59 1217.9 Yeah. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1220.68 1225.26 Lefty loosey, righty tighty, right? 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1225.26 1228.41 Lefty loosey, righty tighty. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1222.45 1222.74 Yeah. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1224.2 1224.69 What's up? 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1225.25 1226.33 Lefty loosey. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1228.13 1229.49 Uh. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1229.49 1232.56 Never heard that before, that's good. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1230.09 1232.08 Oh yes. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1237.77 1238.99 I'll think of that every time now. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1239.66 1240.8 It's gonna stick in your head. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1239.76 1241.48 Yeah, that's a good one it'll stick with you. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1247.33 1247.59 Mm 'kay. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1259.1 1261.27 Um I have nothing on my screen. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1264.05 1264.65 Just a sec. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1265.3 1265.38 Mm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1265.57 1265.78 Here we are. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1267.07 1267.83 Ooh, no signal. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1267.57 1268.42 Okay, yeah, it's fine. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1278.78 1281.27 We didn't bring it up yet, or at all in the meetings so far 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1271.95 1278.78 We have a couple new requirements that I was just e-mailed right before the meeting and that we have to keep in in um in mind as we're creating this. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1281.27 1286.79 but we're not gonna work with teletext because um well it that's been taken over by the internet 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1286.79 1289.86 so we're not gonna worry about um we're not gonna worry about that. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1270.42 1271.95 Okay, requirements. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1275.19 1275.61 Okay. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1289.92 1291.21 What's teletext? 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1291.83 1292.29 Um. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1292.05 1293.35 Uh, it's a British thing. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1294.68 1295.5 Oh, so 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1294.05 1294.68 Oh. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1294.55 1295.53 You don't have it in the States? 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1295.59 1296.34 No. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1296.48 1298.01 W d could would you care to explain it? 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1295.97 1296.48 It no. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1298.31 1300.62 Um yeah, it's like a 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1296.83 1298.31 Oh, I didn't realise. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1324.43 1328.54 And you just type numbers to go to different pages and it gives you information 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1301.7 1304.95 I suppose it's kind of similar to a very very basic web browser. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1304.95 1313.53 Um you have like you have uh numbers on your remote control, uh y and you type in the page number you want 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1313.53 1324.43 so like you type a hundred on your remote control and this this kind of index appears on the television screen with just some some text and some very blocky looking graphics on it. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1328.54 1333.36 mostly rather boring stuff like what's on T. V. next and share prices and that kind of thing. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1309.99 1310.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1329.39 1329.68 S 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1333.15 1335.37 Lottery numbers and sport scores. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1335.36 1336.72 Yep, news headlines. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1336.63 1341.45 But if you ever see the T. V. saying like go to page one sixty on Ceefax now, that's what they're talking about. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1342.47 1342.89 How? 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1342.55 1343.01 Oh. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1344.38 1345.69 It's like nineteen eighties. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1342.92 1344.38 It's earl it's pretty old technology. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1345.02 1345.29 Okay. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1345.62 1346.59 That explains a lot. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1346.56 1348.22 I have no idea why we don't have it, but 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1349.01 1349.69 That's good. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1350.94 1352.54 Interesting. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1358 1358.68 Um 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1352.54 1358 Okay um, well, we're not gonna the management has decided we're not gonna work with that. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1369.69 1371.02 Just for television. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1372.54 1376.56 Um otherwise becomes to complex, we wanna get this out um very quickly. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1376.56 1378.77 We only have a a short amount of time. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1371.02 1372.54 That's what we're focused on. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1363.18 1369.69 Okay um and we're also gonna w like your question earlier um whether this is going to be t for television, video, or etcetera. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1371.09 1371.43 Right. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1379.26 1379.44 'Kay. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1385.99 1391.16 So while we're gonna make it look pretty we need to use our colour and our slogan i in the new design. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1379.89 1385.99 Um and finally there's more marketing, I think, um, our corporate image has to be recognisable. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1386.87 1387.34 Mm. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1394.24 1395.71 So what's our corporate image like? 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1395.71 1400.19 It's It's kind of yellow colour with uh we put fashion in electronics. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1398.31 1404.37 Looks like, yeah, kind of a yellow and black and we have that the emphasis on the R. s in um mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1402.81 1403.63 It's like double R. . 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1404.71 1404.86 Yeah. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1405.97 1408.28 But it's, yeah, we put the um 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1412.18 1413.88 So we gotta keep that in that in mind. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1410.26 1412.18 fashion in electronics. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1414.54 1416.35 Okay, so we want something that looks good 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1417.31 1417.44 Yep. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1416.71 1417.31 Yep. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1417.69 1418.45 and is yellow. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1422.36 1424.01 Like, we can we can play around with it a little bit. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1419.42 1422.36 Yeah, or ha maybe some buttons could be yellow. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1422.04 1422.28 Okay. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1425.71 1426.07 Um. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1431.53 1433.23 We need to decide who our target group is. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1433.23 1441.83 You um in your analysis of different market um of the marketing, you identified that different groups wanted different things or had certain preferences,
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1441.83 1449.65 for example that um that older people didn't really care for um voice recognition, but younger people did. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1427.43 1431.53 Okay, we need to talk about our functions and our target group. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1449.65 1453.04 Um and so who are we aiming this at? 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1436.67 1436.96 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1447.75 1448.25 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1463.51 1467.77 I think, a sort of younger group that that's who's gonna be attracted to this. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1456 1463.51 Well if we're gonna say that function um fashion we put the fashion in in electronics then you automatically,
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1469.78 1473.08 Yes, I do think, who's gonna have the money to buy that also, that one? 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1473.49 1480.15 It's gonna be twenty five Euro remember, so um it has to be avai marketable to um whomever it is. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1472.5 1473.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1480.43 1480.65 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1481.46 1487.49 Is it is it something that's gonna be sold separately from the television or is it something that comes w with a television? 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1487.49 1489.42 'Cause that would affect the way that we market it. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1490.12 1499.79 Well at least right now what we're doing is um deciding on just the remote itself, so it will probably be sold separately, twenty five Euro by itself. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1495.22 1495.46 Right. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1497.62 1498.23 Right, okay. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1517.54 1525.16 but if that's sort of the only quality that we have that is divided into age then we would wanna stick between the fifteen and thirty five range. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1500.08 1505.62 The only break-down that I was given in terms of age was the voice activation and basically there's a big jump,
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1514.07 1517.54 I dunno I'm gonna be given any other numbers broken down in terms of age later 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1505.62 1514.07 after thirty five people don't really care if it has voice, so it's like basically fifteen to thirty five that think that that's a good idea. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1512.43 1512.92 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1531.75 1535.05 so that might be a fairly good target group for us. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1525.7 1531.75 Yeah, that's probably uh a population w quite a little bit of disposable income for use on technology anyway 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1532.53 1532.73 Yeah. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1538.7 1540.53 Are we gonna use that as one of our functions? 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1535.2 1538.7 Now, those are that's all specific for speech recognition. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1543.16 1543.6 Um. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1544.78 1544.97 Mm. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1546.21 1549.49 I I would say no, because it's gonna add too much to the price. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1562.71 1569.1 And I wonder if we can get voice recognition into that twelve and a half Euros without having to make too many other compromises. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1557.12 1562.71 well, uh we've got a price limit of was it twelve twelve and a half Euros for to produce it? 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1550.61 1557.12 Especially if we are marketing it as a separate product, people are gonna be paying uh,
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1553.27 1553.8 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1558.57 1558.98 Mm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1561.08 1561.97 To produce it, yeah. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1561.67 1562.86 To produce it, yes. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1565.26 1565.84 Mm. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1569.65 1573.15 But what else are we gonna put, I mean not that I'm really gung-ho about it 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1577.31 1579.67 So like other than just making it look good 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1579.67 1585.71 how is it I mean it can look really great and still have the same up-n-down buttons and why's anyone gonna buy a new remote? 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1573.15 1577.31 I don't know what else you can put in a remote to make it technologically advanced though. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1578.3 1578.61 Yeah. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1579.59 1579.79 Hmm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1583.2 1584.86 But right. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1589.57 1599.65 Everything we're talking about is ease of use and simple and that doesn't necessarily mean more technology, in fact it could use it could mean, not. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1586.08 1589.57 Well but why are we why are we aiming for a technological advancement? 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1599.65 1605.09 If they might be overwhelmed with with remotes that have too many buttons and too much technology. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1594.32 1594.69 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1596.27 1597.87 That's a good thing to keep in mind. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1605.51 1608.69 If someone's looking to buy a new remote, don't they want like an upgrade? 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1608.69 1609.21 I dunno. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1610.98 1614.7 Well, we can look for we can look at upgrade or we can look at um user-friendly. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1610.08 1610.98 Upgrade? 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1616.66 1623.9 They could have a crap remote that came with their T. V. that's just impossible to use, or maybe it broke, or maybe they're just missing it. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1615.08 1616.66 Yeah, simplification. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1616.45 1616.62 Yeah. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1616.56 1617.8 Simplification, so 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1616.6 1616.92 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1622.74 1623.07 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1626.03 1626.51 Uh-huh, mm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1628.15 1635.55 And we also need to talk about if we're only gonna have the very simple ones or also have the other ones just separate somehow or 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1635.34 1635.54 Hmm. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1635.46 1642.05 Can you like I mean this may be too complicated, but, I wish I had something to explain it, like if it was just a simple,
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1642.05 1645.44 either this way or this way, that had like the main buttons and then you could like pull something out,
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1645.44 1649.21 kind of and like you got the rest the buttons, but the rest of them like went in. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1649.21 1650.15 Do you know what I'm saying? 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1635.94 1636.16 Yeah. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1646.6 1646.86 Ooh. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1649.1 1652.12 The remote There are remote controls like that, yeah. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1664.67 1670.04 then you you open up this little hatch or or slide the screen down and there's all the all the special buttons. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1659.8 1664.67 So if you wanna do something complicated like programme your television or re-tune it 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1652.12 1659.8 Like some T. V. s they have a sort of uh a sliding screen on the remote control of it that hides all the complicated buttons. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1650.25 1651.39 Kind of pull out of the side. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1657.54 1658.07 Mm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1659.3 1659.7 Ooh. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1667.68 1668.15 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1668.61 1669.25 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1672.25 1680.59 never even have to see them and if you like get the instruction manual that comes with it and you just don't even read it then you'll never even know that those things can pull out. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1680.59 1685.15 And you're a happy person and everyone else doesn't have to have like two remotes, one that has the easy ones and one that has 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1670.02 1672.25 'Cause then 's like people who don't wanna ever look at them 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1673.8 1674.27 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1673.96 1674.54 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1674.32 1674.58 Yeah. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1680.43 1681.13 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1685.73 1687.41 Yeah, that's a good idea. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1685.76 1688.03 more complicated ones, but 's all still in one. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1685.96 1686.14 Yeah. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1686.12 1686.73 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1687.33 1688.47 I think that's a good idea, yeah. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1688.82 1689.01 Mm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1699.88 1700.72 Um. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1690.93 1699.88 Um we have to be careful that that that doesn't impede um the chip transmitting information, but um that's gonna be mostly technological thing. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1695.91 1696.22 Yeah. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1696.69 1698.88 Good point. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1698.88 1699.2 Yeah. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1696.71 1697.07 Yeah. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1703.73 1706.76 Okay um, so what are we emphasising? 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1708.59 1709.8 I what in this project? 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1709.28 1711.54 Si simplicity and fashion. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1711.32 1712.87 I think simplicity, fashion. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1711.72 1712.84 Simplicity and fashion. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1712.07 1713.17 Yeah mm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1714.8 1719.32 Okay, those are very good goals, I think, um that we have to keep in mind in with everything we do. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1719.32 1724.53 Simplicity and fashion and, yeah, or usability speci however you wanna say that,
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1724.53 1730.7 which includes um an emphasis on making the infra-red very functional, so that you don't have to travel around a lot. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1728.81 1729.13 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1729.27 1729.44 Yeah. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1730.96 1731.1 Yeah. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1735.43 1740.91 What can you do to like make the infra-red more functional, like why would it not be? 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1740.91 1741.65 I'm just wondering. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1735.59 1736.07 Um. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1741.76 1745.53 I think it's a lot to do with battery, but that's just my 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1744.52 1744.85 Okay. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1745.52 1752.17 The battery and that I think that the chip takes the data and presents it well, without sort of scattering. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1752.39 1752.78 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1752.84 1753.95 So 's just the quality of the chip. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1755.2 1756.19 I think so. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1754.6 1755.2 Yeah. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1756.15 1756.38 Okay. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1757.52 1764.87 The quality uh quality of all the components really, I mean, we can't really do anything shoddy work, 'cause it's 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1765.35 1765.49 Yeah. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1766.05 1767.33 gonna be visible down the line. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1769.59 1772.57 So our target group, we're saying, fifteen to thirty five? 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1773.28 1775.72 Well, I dunno how useful that number is if we're not doing 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1782.37 1785.66 like it might be necessary for a T. V. but not for the remote c, you know. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1775.84 1782.37 S voice recognition, which I kind of I kind of feel like voice recognition is not necessary in a remote control,
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1785.66 1786.35 Seems a little bit 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1776.84 1777.18 Yeah. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1781.73 1782.11 I don't. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1781.49 1781.73 Yeah. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1784.47 1786.85 It's, yeah, it's pretty it's pretty high-tech. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1785.15 1785.58 Mm-mm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1787.78 1788.07 Yeah. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1787.83 1788.23 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1788.23 1789.62 Yeah, and it might be too expensive. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1789.65 1793.41 And if the whole idea is you're using a remote then why would you have voice 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1793.41 1796.14 like you know what I mean and then it's like you wouldn't need a remote you'd just talk to your T. V. . 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1793.76 1794.19 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1796.33 1797 Yeah. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1796.88 1801.47 It's for, like, the ultimately lazy people, who can't even be bothered to pick up the remote. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1797.15 1797.8 Ooh. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1801.81 1802.06 Yeah. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1803.37 1809.07 Maybe I mean if I get m more numbers, I'll e-mail you before the next meeting in terms of ages. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1809.07 1815.5 But this doesn't divide up anything and there was only a hundred subjects also, which isn't, I mean 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1816.54 1822.69 especially if it's a hundred subjects that th they then can subdivide into age groups that means there's very few in each age group, so 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1815.5 1816.54 really isn't that representative,
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1802.35 1803.37 Mm yeah. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1803.47 1803.66 I 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1813.05 1813.39 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1813.25 1813.57 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1823.59 1828.72 Yeah, but I th I think regardless we're we're aiming for the under sixty five or something. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1831.33 1832.13 Um. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1828.95 1831.33 Under sixty five, okay, that's a good start. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1829.7 1830.05 Yep. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1833.14 1836.7 I'd say we're uh can we narrow it down to maybe um 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1837.68 1838.68 teenagers and families? 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1840.26 1842.14 'Cause that would go up to like fifty? 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1840.73 1843.2 Or like single professionals or something. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1843.75 1846.12 Twenty to like fifty five. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1843.76 1844.43 Okay, single 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1848 1848.25 Yeah. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1848.02 1848.61 I dunno. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1850 1851.92 It's it's hard to narrow it down. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1850.84 1852.81 It's really hard to figure out right now. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1858.12 1867.29 I mean, we we said simplicity is is one of the features, so it's going to appeal to people, maybe people who have problems with technology,
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1871.55 1875.58 but then we've also got fashion, which is something that definitely appeals to younger people. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1854 1858.12 I think the product appeals across a quite a broad range of ages. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1867.29 1871.55 you know, people who get scared by having lots of buttons, and that might be older people,
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1857.71 1858.37 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1868.19 1868.52 Okay. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1871.5 1872.29 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1874.67 1875.02 Yeah. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1875.68 1880.78 Well maybe we don't have to defi define the target group by the demographic of age, maybe we can define it by like the demographic of 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1878.92 1879.22 Right. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1882.29 1885.62 like h t how much money they have to spend or something like that, like,
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1885.62 1891.74 well obviously it has to be someone who owns a television, and like how recently have they bought their television like that sort of thing. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1884.23 1885.11 Yeah. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1885.11 1886.94 Yeah aim for a an income group. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1885.3 1886.02 That's a good point. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1885.88 1886.59 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1888.36 1888.9 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1888.9 1889.1 Yeah. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1892.36 1892.59 Mm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1902.07 1905 yeah, things so different will appeal to different people, but 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1893.05 1902.07 So maybe it's more useful to d d to define objectives like fashion and simplicity than to find specific target group as far as age is because,
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1896.66 1898.09 Yeah, t probably. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1900.49 1900.73 Yeah. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1906.04 1907.22 Okay. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1907.22 1914.93 Um oh, there're a couple functions do we want something so that do we want some kind of thing to find it if it's lost? 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1916.13 1916.42 Mm. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1916.39 1916.86 Yeah. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1916.53 1921.48 Like a button on a T. V. you can press and it'll ring or something, I don't know like or beep? 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1920.8 1921.14 H 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1922.12 1923.87 I mean, like I said before 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1923.87 1932.85 fifty per cent of of the fru f like frustration someone can have that was the biggest one and half the people said that happened and we all mentioned it before we knew about it. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1931.32 1931.85 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1933.59 1933.76 Yeah. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1941.83 1944.46 It would be relevant to like the overall goal I think, so 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1934.33 1941.83 And if we're talking about making something easy that sort of goes along with it so it wouldn't be like a random thing to sort of add in. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1941.66 1942.03 Mm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1943.47 1943.91 Mm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1943.91 1945.29 Yeah, that'll probably be good. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1949.1 1951.13 So let's do that quickly. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1945.78 1949.1 Okay, we have to we have about four minutes left to define our functions. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1951.13 1953.55 Um so we want something to keep it from getting lost. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1953.99 1954.13 Yep. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1954.45 1954.72 Yeah. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1956.28 1958.86 And we want 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1960.37 1960.84 um 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1962.88 1965.24 we want large buttons for the essential things. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1965.76 1965.89 Yeah. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1966.16 1966.4 Yeah. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1966.56 1969.09 Large, accessible buttons for the essentials. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1972.47 1976.59 We want a possibility to um to get um 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1978.43 1981.95 a possibility to get the extra functions. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 1982.33 1982.69 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1982.9 1983.04 Yeah. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1985.9 1988.56 Which are kind of hidden away in some way or 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1989.7 1991.37 well not hidden but they're uh 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 1992.34 1994.19 they're not as prominent as the main features. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1994.43 1995 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 1994.56 1994.84 Hmm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 1999.03 2000.81 Um, yeah, hidden way. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2002.05 2009.8 And we also want it to be fashionable, which I'm not sure if that's a function so much as a um yeah 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 2010.04 2014.03 on your coffee table, it's not like an eye sore, that kind of thing. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2013.06 2013.58 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2013.73 2014.02 Yeah. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2018.59 2019.05 Alright. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2021.68 2023.42 Any other essential functions that we need? 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2020.87 2021.68 Okay, do it. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2024.98 2026.15 Battery? 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2026.15 2027.49 Do we need a long-life battery? 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2028.74 2031.56 Yeah, but I think that goes in with simplicity and ease of use really. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2026.47 2028.74 Battery battery use. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 2029.09 2029.36 Yeah. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2032.84 2033.51 But we might as well. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 2032.92 2034.71 So you never have to change the battery. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2034.71 2034.93 Yeah. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 2038.48 2040.86 We should maybe investigate whether it needs a battery at all. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 2041.96 2044.34 I suspect the remote control does need a battery, but 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2044.57 2045.97 Yeah, I would imagine. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2045.97 2048.19 Just 'cause it is an electronic device, the 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2044.62 2045 Yeah. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 2045.32 2046.2 I dunno if you can 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 2048.17 2048.38 Yeah. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2048.69 2049.64 It I think it does. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2048.3 2048.69 Mm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2049.64 2055.75 I don't I don't think of a way you can operate a chip and convert that much data without without one. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2055.75 2061.98 But you could maybe have it in a little charging station like a mobile phone, or like a little cradle for your iPod. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 2054.6 2056.26 Yeah, without the energy, yeah. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 2064.13 2064.3 Yeah. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 2062.52 2064.13 Yeah, that's that's possible. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2065.83 2068.32 So you don't ha you got like a rechargeable battery. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2063.16 2065.83 You could we could maybe do that instead. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2066.11 2066.58 Charging. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 2068.71 2068.88 Yeah. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2070 2075.1 I dunno, that might contribute to less people losing it too if it it stays in one place. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2073.1 2073.55 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 2075.41 2075.83 Mm. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2086.63 2087.42 Think it's 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2076.87 2082.78 We have to think about um space in living-rooms, too, like 'cause they're I mean, would you put it on top of the T. V. ? 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2082.78 2086.63 I don't know, just think okay, that's that's a good idea, we'll keep it. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2080.39 2080.6 Mm. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2086.83 2087.85 That's just off the top of my head. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2086.17 2086.83 Yeah. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2088.32 2088.92 And maybe fun. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2090.67 2091.25 Okay. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2091.25 2096.32 Um 'kay we're gonna conclude now, has everyone said their functions and 'kay. 
ES2008b H02 MEE031 2095.96 2096.05 Yep. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2106.46 2109.23 After that we have thirty minutes of individual work. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2104.59 2106.46 Um and then we'll have our lunch break. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2114.44 2116.29 If everyone could do that as well, that'd be great. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2109.23 2114.44 Um I'll make sure to put up um the minutes and the project documentation and including these PowerPoint slides. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2102.84 2104.59 I don't know what summarisation. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2097.69 2102.84 Um after the meeting we're gonna each complete a sks um a questionnaire and a summaries summary. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2136.88 2141.94 And hopefully, I hope, next time you'll be able to access more of the web site that they they seem to tell you that you could. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2117.38 2130.23 Um you each have individual actions, I. um I. D. Industrial Design you've your components concept, User Interface, the user interface concept, market trend wa watching. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2130.23 2136.88 And as as per last time you'll get specific incrat instructions from your personal coach e-mailed to you. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2142.36 2143.52 Yeah, who knows. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2142.73 2144.8 It's kinda frustrating, but um 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2147.09 2154.86 Be sure to note any frustrations or any um issues that come up in your um in your um summary. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2157.05 2157.42 Okay 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2158.94 2159.15 Mm 'kay? 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2159.46 2160.04 Sounds good. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2160.71 2161.33 Great seeing y'all. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 2163.13 2164.19 It's good. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 2166.4 2170.42 Did you um were you able to like put yours in the group folder? 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 2170.42 2171.07 Okay. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2171.6 2174.56 Hopefully it is there for people. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2169.92 2171.6 Yes, I just did that. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2174.56 2174.98 Yeah? 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 2173.62 2173.83 Yep. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2182.71 2186 it's from like an earlier project, I think so um 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2176.5 2182.71 Looks like there are um looks like there's a second one kind of of mine that's that I didn't do,
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2181.66 2182.03 Yeah. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2184.9 2185.19 Okay. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 2186.77 2188.17 Where is that? 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 2188.17 2188.87 Yours is 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2192.4 2193.04 Projects. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2188.85 2192.4 Under the shared folder, I don't know it might not even be under yours as well. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2197.84 2199.19 At least that's what I have in. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2191.54 2197.84 So in there we have technical functions presentation, working design presentation and the functional requirements. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2190.79 2191.54 Technical. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 2200.89 2201.15 Yeah. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 2198.67 2200.89 I only have three, I just have like our three. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2200.4 2202.75 Yeah, that's what I have as well, R Rose So. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2203.06 2203.76 You don't have mine? 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2201.92 2203.06 Okay. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 2205.1 2209.19 No, but that's 'cause I think yours is in the e-mail separate, like it's not on the server. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2209.35 2211.15 S 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2210.84 2211.07 Yeah. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2215.46 2216.04 Mm. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 2216.31 2219.98 But if I open it and then save it, probably will be there. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 2219.98 2221.51 Oh wait, never mind you can't save it to the 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2225.26 2226.17 Okay. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2226.17 2227.57 Well I'll figure that out in the meantime. 
ES2008b H01 FEE030 2227.94 2228.23 Okay. 
ES2008b H03 FEE032 2228.26 2228.51 Okay. 
ES2008b H00 FEE029 2228.98 2229.17 Okay. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 37.99 38.61 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 43.74 44.28 Mm yeah. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 48.57 48.99 Okay. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 50.76 52.2 I g yeah. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 56.88 57.47 Time is it? 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 58.3 60.4 Fourteen twenty six. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 61.32 62.55 Okay. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 64.5 75.95 Um it's our conceptual design meeting and it's starting at approximately fourteen twenty five and so we have forty minutes for this one again and so we'll go just after three o'clock. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 83.57 90.78 then we'll have your three presentations um and then we'll have to make a decision on the remote control concepts, and finally we'll close. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 75.95 83.57 Um okay our agenda, we're gonna do an opening, I'm gonna review the minutes of the last meeting,
ES2008c H00 FEE029 62.55 64.5 Lovely to see you all again. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 91.66 91.92 Okay. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 91.68 93.63 So opening. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 105.01 108.27 Our main objectives were simplicity and fashion. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 117.36 125.24 a possibility for extra functions, like a sliding a sliding piece and a long-life battery or a charging station. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 96.46 99.54 We decided our target group is the focus on who can afford it,
ES2008c H00 FEE029 93.63 96.46 Um these are our minutes from r the functional design. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 99.54 105.01 because we have international appeal and we said it's for all age groups, different um functions of it. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 108.27 117.36 And s um in specific functions are something to keep the remote from getting lost, large buttons for the essential functions,
ES2008c H00 FEE029 126.98 128.59 Okay, now three presentations. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 132.6 140.08 properties and materials um and then the conceptual specification of user interface and finally trend watching. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 128.59 132.6 I'd like to do it in this order, first do the conceptual specification of components 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 134.19 134.96 That would be me. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 138.56 138.79 Yep. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 142.36 142.97 Alright. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 146.72 147.04 Well. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 153.1 153.53 'kay. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 152.81 153.1 Mm. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 160.96 162.31 Function F. eight it. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 162.31 162.69 There we go. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 164.24 165.03 Alright. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 165.92 173.18 Um I'm very excited by this one actually guys I uh had a lot of fun doing it. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 175.17 183.67 This is where you look at what does it take to make a remote control and what should we make our specific remote control out of. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 173.18 175.17 Components design. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 205.24 211.21 but I'm gonna take each one a little bit separately here as we figure out what they should be made of and what they should look like. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 194.95 198.79 The main elements of remote controls in general, and therefore ours as well,
ES2008c H01 FEE030 203.23 205.24 These are all things that we had sort of addressed before 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 184.76 188.09 Um. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 198.79 203.23 are the case, the buttons, the circuit board with the chip and the battery. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 188.09 194.95 So, we need to examine each element separately, but we're designing a full thing, so you wanna keep it integrated as a whole. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 235.31 241.06 the m the main base will be plastic, but we have all these sort of fashion and technological elements we can add in,
ES2008c H01 FEE030 229.51 235.31 but these are the options that we have from manufacturing and we can make our case out of plastic,
ES2008c H01 FEE030 212.76 219.54 The case, uh the options that I've gotten from headquarters about what we can do, um there's there's the shape of a case,
ES2008c H01 FEE030 225.13 229.51 I haven't seen any pictures of what this exactly looks like yet, just keep that in mind 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 219.54 225.13 we could do a flat sh a flat case, a curved case or maybe even a double double-curved case. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 241.06 245.29 wood, latex, titanium, rubber or other coloured types of plastic. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 283.86 289.52 like are used in high-tech watches, where you just have to move it a little bit to get it to power up. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 247.97 254.7 Um buttons, for buttons we have um pushbuttons, which is what Real Reaction uses the most often,
ES2008c H01 FEE030 271.05 274.18 And then battery I think is where things get most exciting. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 246.27 247.97 That would be our case. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 274.18 276.58 We're talking about long-life batteries here. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 254.7 263.77 but we also have scror scroll wheels, which can have integrated pushbuttons, or we could go all high-tech and have an L. L. C. D. screen. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 263.77 271.05 Um circuit board and chip we can have a simple one, a regular one or an advanced one, depending on what our other needs are. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 276.58 283.86 Um we can we can have your sort of basic double A. batteries, but we also have these options of um using a kinetic battery,
ES2008c H00 FEE029 257.7 258.49 Mm. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 293.8 302.61 Or a solar battery, although there are slight um complications with solar batteries as in we can't use a latex case if we have a solar battery. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 290.17 293.8 Um so simple movements like pushing buttons would recharge the battery. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 302.13 302.54 Hmm. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 311.02 316.18 Not quite sure what that is, but that's the description that I received, so that's what I'm passing on to you. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 303.33 311.02 Or um something they only described as the type of battery you find in torches from about fifty years ago, flashlights. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 316.18 317.52 So those are our options. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 327.08 330.36 So if we're going for fashion in our cases,
ES2008c H01 FEE030 339.69 346.01 We're gonna have to investigate that better when I get specifics of the actual materials, but that's sort of what I have in mind. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 330.36 337.91 I think that what we're gonna wanna look at is a curved or a double-curved case, probably with a variety of design elements. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 347.93 354.15 Probably pushbuttons, but I'm sort of intrigued by the idea of a scroll scroll wheel, if anyone has anything 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 337.91 339.69 Maybe titanium, maybe some wood. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 318.69 327.08 Um personal preferences that I was thinking through here's what we've been talking about all through, fashion and simplicity. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 346.01 347.93 And we wanna go for simplicity. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 352.49 352.78 Mm. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 397.25 401.16 So I think we want to be aware of not making things overly t 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 391.79 397.25 Uh we really only need a regular or advanced chip t if we're gonna start using an L. C. D. . 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 369.05 376.92 Solar I don't think would be such a good idea, because how often are you sure that your remote control will get a certain amount of light. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 363.18 365.49 so that might be something we wanna look into. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 356.01 363.18 I mean I know the iPods and things right now have touch scroll um buttons which are exactly like what they're describing 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 385.93 391.79 But I think we'd also wanna go for e a simple chip or regular chip to keep our costs down. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 365.49 369.05 And I'm really intrigued by the idea of a kinetic battery. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 382.67 385.93 I think that that m would be a very interesting thing. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 355.04 356.01 any ideas on that? 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 376.92 382.67 But this idea of the kinetic, that you don't have to replace, and that a simple just shaking it around will make it work 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 402.52 407.17 technological if they don't need to be, 'cause that'll keep our manufacturing price way down. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 407.17 409.55 That's what I have for options. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 409.55 416.16 Um I'd appreciate anyone's input, but that's what I'm seeing for the future of the the look of this thing. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 416.85 420.33 Is double-curved like would be like two hands kind of thing? 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 421.17 423.24 I haven't received any specific 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 420.6 421.17 I'm not sure. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 424.26 427.35 'Cause I'm imagining like double-curved is like, you know,
ES2008c H03 FEE032 422.26 424.26 Okay. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 427.35 434.14 like two sides that curve and then like one curve would just be like a single vertical-ish kind of looking thing, but I've no idea. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 424.03 425.04 visuals of this yet. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 428.63 430.17 This is what I'm sort of 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 432.38 433.46 Yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 433.46 436.58 I'm not sure, but I'll let you know as soon as I get any pictures. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 436.42 436.91 Sounds good. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 437.95 439.16 Yeah, I wonder 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 439.37 443.44 I know if we do have a double-curved case, it can't have any titanium in it. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 451.37 452.52 Space-age remote. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 444.44 451.37 But the titanium, they were quite they're marketing quite hard to us as being used in the space programme, so that could be quite interesting. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 455.06 457.57 Just an interesting marketing kind of element. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 453.6 455.06 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 454.59 456.9 Just all things to keep in mind. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 456.9 457.25 Yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 458.52 461.67 That's about all I have to do, guys. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 461.67 463.7 I hope I didn't go through that too quickly. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 464.71 470.87 Uh just a real quick question um the weight of these different elements, have you no idea, okay. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 469.02 471.23 Yeah, n no idea, no idea. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 472 472.48 Um 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 473.67 474.53 I'm assuming 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 483.06 489.5 um but other than that's really basic, I mean, that's all I have gotten so far. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 476.2 483.06 that a kinetic battery isn't gonna take up that much weight, and that a tita titanium is very light, I know,
ES2008c H01 FEE030 489.5 489.82 Alright? 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 479.86 480.35 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 482.9 484.72 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 488.97 489.28 Okay. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 490.8 491.84 Any other questions? 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 494.4 495.08 Don't think so. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 493.77 494.4 Uh-huh. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 494.81 495.13 No? 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 495.13 495.46 Okay. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 497.66 498.15 Mm 'kay. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 507.86 508.19 Uh 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 497.81 504.79 I have save this in the uh shared projects, if anyone wants to look and I have c considerable notes on the topic as well 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 504.79 507.86 if anyone needs any more information. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 501.28 502.72 Thank you, perfect. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 502.15 502.6 Thanks. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 508.53 516.07 Um if you made notes yourself you can put those on our um underneath our oh, uh in your book, then don't worry about that. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 513.54 518.63 Just in my notebook, but if anyone has any specific questions, don't hesitate to email me or something. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 520.45 522.25 Uh I guess I can 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 520 520.45 Alright? 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 522.95 526.47 'Kay now we're um concepts concepts of user interface. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 532.89 533.29 Yeah, um. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 533.29 534.79 This one's so much tighter than the other one. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 534.36 535.29 I know. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 536.94 538.58 Okay. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 538.58 538.92 Nope. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 543.19 543.39 Here you are. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 540.79 543.19 There we go. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 544.76 545.26 Jess. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 554.8 555.63 G oh, geez. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 583.38 588.65 Alright, so I'm gonna describe the the concept of the user interface of this des device. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 591.08 597.39 Um we've talked about uh the two essential properties of the user interface. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 597.39 600.79 We want it to be simple and we want it to be fashionable. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 601.85 602.26 Um 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 608.16 612.41 Uh we want people to be able to use it s as a remote control 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 603.35 608.16 other we've also got to remember that this is a device that serves as a useful purpose. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 612.41 626.23 so we need to determine what the essential functions of the d of the device are and make sure that we include that we've included all of those and that we actually end up with a device that is going to be useful to people. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 657.16 666.55 making sure that we get all the essential functions in the device and uh the extra functions and the more advanced features. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 666.55 668.49 And of course we also have to make it look cool. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 644.04 650.63 how how what kind of model is there going to be for user interaction with this device. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 628.23 638.82 We have a number of different choices for a design concept um and s that's that's something that that I'll show you some examples of um 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 650.63 657.16 Uh once we've chosen a a concept for it, we can then design the features around the concept 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 638.82 644.04 but essentially we need to choose how how is this device going to work 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 678.51 680.24 We want something that looks nice and simple. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 671.57 674.29 So basically, that's what we don't want. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 674.29 678.51 M we don't want lots of buttons, uh complicated features. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 694.37 701.62 Uh you use these four buttons to m to move around a range of settings on the small L. C. D. screen. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 701.62 704.67 Um the thing I like about this is that 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 683.86 686.32 This is an an iPod from Apple. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 691.08 694.37 It's very minimalistic in its design. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 682.16 683.86 Here's a a fairly simple device. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 686.32 691.08 Um I think the main thing to notice about it is it just has four buttons. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 682.44 683.24 Hmm. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 705.83 709.15 it's very very quick to access the main features. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 738.24 738.76 Um 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 725.94 733.77 you go into the little menu on the L. C. D. screen and you use the buttons just to scroll around and and find the more advanced features that you want. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 718.26 723.14 They're the main the main features of the iPod, the things you will use a all the time. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 709.15 718.26 Uh you can just about make out uh that the button three buttons are uh previous track, next track and play pause. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 723.14 725.94 Um then if you want to do anything more advanced 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 733.77 738.24 So I think that's that's a good a good kind of model that we could have. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 747.54 750.32 Um it's certainly got novelty value. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 750.32 753.41 Uh it's nice and colourful, it's nice and bright. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 763.6 768.27 you can work out which button's which and basically, yeah it's ith it's fun. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 738.98 741.25 here's a another example. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 753.41 757.4 Uh it's also something that you can kind of feel your way around. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 741.25 747.54 This is uh it's an interesting idea and I think i it looks pretty cool. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 757.4 763.6 The buttons are are different shapes and and you can sort of yeah if you're watching T. V. in the dark or whatever,
ES2008c H00 FEE029 750.47 750.86 Mm. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 777.66 781.59 So you'd need a few buttons to select your favourite channels. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 789.25 792.23 So, you have buttons for your favourite channel, changing the volume,
ES2008c H02 MEE031 771.63 777.66 So I I like I like this idea of just having buttons for the features that you use most often. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 781.59 783.96 I mean most people, when they watch T. V. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 792.23 797.17 which is something you do all the time when you're watching T. V., and the button to switch it off, in case you get bored. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 783.96 789.25 they have two hundred and fifty channels on their T. V. and they watch of 'bout four of them at the most. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 821.14 827.84 Um and one other suggestions I'd make is to in is to include in a menu system, a bit like on the iPod. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 807.56 811.82 Um but these are these are all necessary functions. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 798.55 807.56 Um other features, things like adjusting the brightness, tuning the T. V., uh I don't know what else you do with a T. V. . 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 811.82 818.03 Uh you can't have a t there's no point having a television that you can't tune or that you can't set the contrast 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 818.03 821.14 so we need to find a way of including these somehow. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 840.39 851.3 And that would allow you to access access the advanced features uh whilst keeping a very small and simple set of buttons for the features that you use most often. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 833.77 840.39 or uh have a dis a menu display that comes up on your television and can b be controlled through the device. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 828.38 833.77 So we'd either have a small L. C. D. display on the device itself 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 840.04 840.46 Hmm. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 855.99 856.6 Okay. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 856.79 858.78 So you'd be advocating an L. C. D. then? 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 863.67 870.45 Um I mean there are there are advantages and disadvantages if you if you have an L. C. D. display, it's it's nice 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 860.38 863.67 I think that's that's one way to go, yes. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 870.45 876.17 because it's it it lets you just sort of sit there and st and control your television from your armchair. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 863.64 864.02 Okay. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 876.29 876.89 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 891.3 896.78 'cause you ten you tend to watch T. V. in the dark, but you need to be able to see your L. D. D. L. C. D. display. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 886.8 891.3 Um it would also have to have uh a kind of backlighting in it,
ES2008c H02 MEE031 877.28 880.86 There are disadvantages, an an L. C. D. display would have to be quite small 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 880.86 886.8 'cause we're we're I well we're I assume we're gonna be making quite a small device. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 881.92 882.28 Right. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 892.6 893.12 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 893.8 894.13 Right. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 897.63 904.39 The alternative is to have a an on-screen display on your television that you control through your remote control. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 904.39 904.77 Uh 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 917.07 919.39 It's it can it does have it's problems as well,
ES2008c H02 MEE031 919.39 924.01 if you've got a small T. V. and you're sitting on the other side of a room, it's hard to read the little text that comes up. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 914.72 917.07 I mean that that's also a good idea. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 905.99 914.72 a bit like a bit like how they have these um digital boxes where you you press the buttons and it comes up with your this thing of watch lo what's on each channel. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 913.65 914.18 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 914.83 915.31 Okay. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 921.2 921.57 Mm. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 924.37 924.78 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 925.2 928.12 Uh but that's a that's a design decision that we can make. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 928.65 928.98 'Kay. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 929.78 934.87 I do think that um one of the important features for a remote is seeing a menu and seeing what's on. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 940.22 948.39 but I think th that you do need to have some kind of function where it's um you have t you can see the title of the show or possibly a description of it. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 934.87 940.22 Um and so like favourite channels is is applicable 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 948.39 950.46 Like I I know I use that often enough. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 934.96 935.25 Yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 944.88 945.26 Well 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 947.89 949.05 Are you are you tak 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 948.07 948.25 Yeah. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 948.63 951.22 Wait, but is that separate from what he was saying? 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 951.33 951.61 Yeah. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 951.61 956.76 Well if it if it was a L. L. C. D. on th on the remote, I don't know that you could f that you'd be able to see a 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 955.8 965.51 No, I think I think we're talking menu like contrast and tuning the V. C. R. or something if I've understood you correctly, rather than menu as what's on. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 960.74 960.98 Okay. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 963.4 965.7 Yeah, that that would be one of the features, yes. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 966.94 969.54 'Cause that would be more specifically a digital box, mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 966.05 966.94 Okay. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 966.79 971.68 But it's it's it's something to bear in mind is that if we put a display on the remote control 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 972.76 980.44 the c uh communication is one way, so you can't have the televisions and information back to the remote control, at least I don't think you can. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 980.44 981.47 Um I'm not sure. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 979.21 980.42 Oh, good point. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 979.8 980.56 Mm. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 982.16 982.45 Yeah. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 993.29 994.17 Marketing. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 990.38 993.29 Okay, now we're moving on to market. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 990.62 991.78 Should I plug that in? 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1027.68 1028 Okay. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1027.04 1027.68 Is that going on? 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1033.98 1036.15 Maybe it's just not Is it on? 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1034.96 1036.61 Uh that should be alright, actually. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1043.55 1045.76 Ri What F. do you have to press, five? 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1045.38 1045.67 Eight. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1047.67 1049.47 I just keep pressing lots of 'em. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1054.05 1058.85 Well, I don't know how relevant all of this gonna be. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1062.11 1062.85 Alright. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1058.85 1062.11 If anything, the that they gave me. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1060.52 1061.52 No signal. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1060.63 1063.19 Oops, it's not plugged in, quite in well enough. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1065.92 1066.33 There we are. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1069.7 1070.64 Oop, there we go. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1072.7 1073.22 Mm 'kay. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1077.27 1077.59 Oh yeah. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1080.82 1086.66 Okay, so we're gonna look a little bit at trend watching. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1104.48 1111.08 So first um they had people they ranked um the important aspects of r remote controls 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1086.66 1096.11 Basically, I was given um an executive summary that was a market investigation on remote controls that was recently conducted 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1111.08 1117.74 and right now i d they're saying that currently there's a functional look and feel preference,
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1096.11 1104.48 and then also some fashion watchers in Paris and Milan commented on some things that are gonna be going on this year. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1117.74 1126.1 but that really, over the next year it it that's gonna be switching to fancy look and feel remotes, so that just goes back to 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1140.08 1144.84 they're sort of wanting us to remember that the number one thing for everyone is that it's fancy look and feel. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1144.84 1148.97 And as these are ranked, the top one is doubly important to the second one,
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1148.97 1153.86 which is doubly important to the third one, so just to take that weight into account. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1135.58 1140.08 we've all been talking about this like simplicity and easy to use idea 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1126.78 1135.58 the whole desire of our c Real Reaction company wanting to focus on fashion and so, even though we're stressing, when we're talking 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1150.86 1151.2 Okay. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1159.13 1164.29 That would be like if we use something like the space material or the L. C. D. screen, things like that. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1191.81 1195.85 And so that brings us to my personal preferences. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1154.07 1159.13 The second thing that was mentioned as important was the technological innovations. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1200.19 1209.83 Personally, I don't really think that I want one that's gonna go out of style or go stale, excuse the pun, um in a year, so 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1175.15 1180.6 And then the fashion watch talks about that this year's top trend for clothes,
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1164.29 1168.8 And then ease of use was the third most important, whi so really,
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1180.6 1191.81 shoes and furniture is fruits and vegetables and tha that there's a preference for spongy, tight material. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1172.44 1175.15 I don't know how much we agree with that. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1195.85 1200.19 Who wants a spongy remote or one with fruit and vegetable padding. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1168.8 1172.44 no matter what, we need to focus the most on fancy look and feel, according to this. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1186.84 1187.61 S sweet. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1242.02 1248.33 But it doesn't necessarily need to be a spongy material. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1210.04 1218.46 even though this is coming from us as, you know, trend watch, market research, I don't know how much of it we necessarily wanna take away. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1226.47 1235.83 how these questions may have been worded, and if necessarily this whole fashion to technology y edas ease of use is necessarily the right ranking. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1235.83 1242.02 Personally, like I might reverse it, but if we're working for this company then I guess no matter what, we have to stress fashion the most. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1218.46 1226.47 Also, considering that the d research b has been carried out by Real Reaction, I'm a little hesitant as to like,
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1243.18 1243.26 Mm. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1248.18 1251.22 That there's all kinds of scope for imagination in that one though. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1258.93 1259.6 So yeah. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1251.33 1254.08 Yeah. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1254.08 1258.93 I don't have a lot of notes to share if you want them, that pretty much sums it up. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1259.83 1264.24 Okay, do we have any s some questions for this, let's see um. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1263.06 1267.69 Yeah, what can I possibly enlighten on? 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1268.64 1273.43 Um do you have any ideas how to possibly use these? 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1273.43 1279.7 Um how to how to use a fruit or vegetable or um or the spongy material at all? 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1279.7 1282.94 Like could we make a s like could we make a spongy remote? 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1282.94 1284.31 It would be easier on the hands. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1283.41 1285.93 If it's latex if it's latexy 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1285.94 1291.73 It's kind of and then it we would have to find a way to protect like the chip and all that, I dunno. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1291.73 1292.09 But 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1287.4 1288.76 Um, mean 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1288.24 1289.62 A kind of thing that 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1291.56 1299.02 An uh I if th my understanding of a latex case is that it's in fact hard to protect stuff inside,
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1299.02 1302.45 but that it's covered with the latex, which is spongier and softer on your hands. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1299.19 1299.68 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1303.49 1309.51 It's there's something to be said, I mean we we got that thing earlier from you about um not wanting it to 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1310.28 1314.17 R. R. repetitive stress injuries and things and and 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1312.41 1313.14 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1312.74 1313.11 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1313.14 1313.41 Yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1324.83 1325.13 Yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1314.69 1324.83 Yeah, something grippable, I mean we don't we don't we don't wanna go spongy, maybe. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1314.97 1322.39 Yeah, so something, m m instead of a necess yeah, grip, I'm thinking grip more than like sinking into your hands,
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1331.4 1334.83 like I'm imagining that sort of thing, I don't know what th that material's called. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1325.85 1331.4 you know, the material that you have when you sit on like a bicycle, so that it doesn't hurt when you're sitting down for a long time,
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1322.39 1325.85 you know, i and I think I'm envisioning more like,
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1321.61 1322.98 Yeah. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1322.98 1323.24 Yeah. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1329.12 1329.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1330.39 1330.67 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1333.43 1339.06 Yeah, I think that given the list of materials I w I was forwarded it's that seems doable. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1339.8 1342.33 could we go in fruit and vegetable colours? 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1342.33 1344.88 We could colour-co-ordinate them, li 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1343.14 1344.82 F for sure, or maybe like 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1346.45 1351.24 um couple main ones being like, I dunno, lemons or strawberries or something. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1351.11 1354.21 The buttons could be fruit-shaped. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1364.94 1367.93 Or maybe the buttons could be shaped like different fruits. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1354.21 1364.94 Oh well it's quite easy to s shape thing like carrot isn't it? 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1352.05 1353.2 Could they be smelly? 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1353.26 1357.79 I Is it supposed to be shaped like a vegetable? 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1357.79 1360.71 Uh like uh I dunno, like uh carrots or something. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1354.16 1355.94 Oh God. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1358.11 1359.32 I don't know. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1361.35 1364.03 Or carrot shaped, mm. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1363.48 1366.02 Maybe, or 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1365.29 1368.03 Like large button, that's what I was thinking of, yeah. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1377.88 1379.3 Just to tie it in a little. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1372.64 1374.41 Like in terms of holding it. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1370.54 1372.64 Instead of like a vertical up and down one. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1374.41 1377.88 Like that's a f shape of a fruit. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1368.66 1370.54 What about the idea of like a round remote? 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1385.43 1386.9 It'd be harder to press button. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1372.75 1377.43 be yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1377.43 1385.43 It'd be harder to f bu uh buttons I think. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1372.82 1373.81 Kind of like a potato. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1375.94 1378.65 Yeah. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1377.9 1380.78 Might would you think you you do you think you'd be able to hold it? 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1380.78 1384.23 'Cause I think the reason they're long is yeah. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1387.07 1390.49 When you when you use a remote, do you press the buttons with your thumb, usually? 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1386.29 1387.07 Depends. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1386.57 1387.46 Harder to push. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1391.45 1392.14 Yeah. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1391.8 1392.46 Or your fingers? 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1392.87 1393.23 Um 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1393.72 1395.17 I usually hold it in one hand. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1395.17 1395.72 Maybe 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1396.33 1402.13 Or maybe you want something that's shaped like a mobile phone, so you you hold it in one hand, and you press the buttons with your thumb. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1396.6 1397.07 I 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1401.32 1403.55 Yeah, that's ts how I tend to do it. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1401.33 1404.41 But then the buttons would have to be very small. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1404.41 1405 Don't you think? 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1404.29 1407.24 Yeah, 'cause otherwise your fingers can't move around. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1407.24 1408.2 But I like i 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1404.65 1405.83 No just thumb-sized. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1405.83 1407.66 Jus 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1407.37 1410.04 But I mean in order to get to all of them, you know. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1409.63 1410.09 Yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1410.45 1410.83 Yeah. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1410.86 1413.57 They would have to be within a certain amount of space with each other. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1411.41 1412.34 Maybe. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1412.34 1417.9 But if you've only got like four or five buttons anyway, then it's it's not so much a problem, perhaps. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1412.19 1412.79 That's true. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1416.27 1416.51 Right. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1417.71 1423.51 I When I'm when I'm pressing buttons on my iPod, that's how I do it, hold it and press the four. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1423.51 1424.22 Yeah. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1422.21 1422.72 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1422.23 1427.38 So you hold it in one hand and you press you press the buttons with your thumb and 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1425.96 1430.63 Yeah, or in and use my thumb or my pointer finger on the touch scroll wheel. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1426.15 1426.51 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1430.85 1432.14 And you find that works quite well? 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1436.27 1436.67 'Cause th 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1430.93 1436.27 I love the idea of the wheel like the iPod. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1432.3 1432.65 Yeah 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1433.21 1433.78 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1436.12 1442.41 Is that The button on an iPod, is it what is it, is it just four buttons or is it li more like a scroll thing? 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1440.6 1442.83 It's like five, 'cause there's one in the middle. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1441.18 1442.85 It's a scroll, yeah, it's a wheel. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1441.89 1448.32 It wel well yeah, it would I mean each version of it has been a little bit different, but 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1447.32 1452.16 The one I have doesn't have the four on i like around it, I don't think. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1450.87 1453.97 Oh yeah, you had one of the in-between ones, when they weren't doing that anymore. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1467.06 1471.77 Ts and you press the centre button, that's that's your all-purpose select button right there. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1467.52 1467.8 Right. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1472.1 1473.09 Oh, okay. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1473.09 1474.25 Yeah, that's quite a good design. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1469.62 1472.1 Oh, I see, right, yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1472.71 1475.1 Since it's the one in the centre that's not marked, yeah. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1494.45 1501.45 I kind of am wanting to say on the T. V., 'cause if you're changing the brightness, don't you wanna see it happening, kind of? 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1501.45 1503.88 And then you could still have that available. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1484.91 1491.16 Like just the idea of like those so few buttons for main things, but then how you could go back to the menu and like 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1491.16 1494.45 I dunno if we would want it on the screen there or on the actual T. V. . 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1476.99 1484.91 I think why it would be good for us is 'cause like you could have the same wheel sort of effect for like channel flipping and then the other one could be like for volume. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1483.46 1483.82 Yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1487.18 1488.02 Uh uh t 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1495.67 1495.94 Yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1497.95 1498.31 Hmm. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1500.41 1501.02 Mm. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1500.74 1501.01 Yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1501.09 1501.36 Yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1502.47 1509.22 Yeah, I think an L. C. D. screen might be good in theory, but not as useful in practice. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1507.87 1510.7 I think it could be difficult in practice, yeah. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1510.7 1516.95 Also z yeah, 'cause you would be z looking down at the L. C. D. screen, than back up at your T. V. and people don't wanna do that. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1510.31 1510.56 Yeah. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1515.22 1515.51 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1513.66 1515.22 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1514.01 1514.37 Right. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1516.09 1516.55 Um 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1517.79 1522.91 Okay um we have we've about fifteen minutes left, so I'm I'm gonna 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1519.41 1521.01 Oh we probably have to get going, don't we? 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1524.07 1524.58 Uh-huh. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1524.11 1525.9 continue with my pres presentation. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1531.58 1534.08 so I'll just bring that up and show you all 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1525.9 1531.58 Um I've one more slide before we close, but in that slide is when we need to make decisions about this these kinds of things 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1531.36 1532.24 'Kay. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1538.5 1539.72 Um 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1535.17 1538.5 before we move on. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1541.23 1545.66 If I get any more information of fruits and vegetables, I'll let you know. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1541.57 1542.05 Could 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1544.15 1549.01 Could we uh could we have changeable covers like for your mobile? 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1549.01 1551.27 In different fruit and vegetable colours, yeah. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1548.96 1553.66 Like, to make it different fruits. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1553.88 1554.71 Yeah, it's possible. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1554.47 1560.74 Yeah, and then like the the covers could be spongy latex wherea but the actual model could be titanium. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1557.62 1558.86 Exactly. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1566.07 1566.98 All these options. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1561.04 1566.07 And you could co-ordinate with your house or whatever. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1566.04 1573.38 I think maybe th the packaging, it should be like a lemon and the the packaging is like the peel. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1573.38 1577.04 So instead of opening the box you just kind of peel it, and the remote control's inside. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1573.46 1574.5 Ooh. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1583.73 1585.44 It's like the way it all comes all cute. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1579.73 1583.73 The iPod packaging is me like was so that was like half the fun. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1577.4 1579.73 Well, there we go. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1578.47 1580.32 Oh. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1578.49 1579.79 Don't know. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1578.91 1581.22 Ah hmm hmm hmm. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1583.76 1584.04 Yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1586.37 1587.54 Mm. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1587.54 1587.86 Options. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1587.38 1588.12 Lemons? 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1590.05 1593.61 Okay, um components concept. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1593.61 1596.66 Energy, chip on print. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1597.61 1599.91 Right, I had sort of skipped over that hoping it wouldn't get 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1595.47 1597.61 Uh-hu oh, oh yes. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1597.67 1597.73 G 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1600.9 1602.41 be necessary but um 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1602.38 1604.27 That's th th this is the agenda they gave me. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1604.27 1606.07 So can you just explain what that is real quick? 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1604.42 1612.47 Alright, so um decisions, what the okay deci decisions on energy I'm thinking is based on the battery. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1612.47 1617.09 Um I dunno, what do people think about this kinetic battery idea? 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1612.02 1612.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1618.18 1619.22 I think it's really cool. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1616.89 1618.18 I think it's awesome. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1618.19 1618.92 Am I 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1620.79 1621.25 Yeah. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1621.32 1623.11 Yeah, I mean, it would 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1624.37 1627.59 t totally take care of our problem of not wanting to change batteries. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1628.23 1628.52 Yeah. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1628.81 1635 Yeah, um I think it's good, as as long as we consider the the cost and the uh how reliable it is,
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1635 1636.91 but as far as I know, the technology is good. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1642.06 1647.94 but um but if we're using a an i a cheaper chip, then it'll even out, I think. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1635.23 1642.06 Right, I haven't gotten any yeah, any more information on cost other than it's more expensive than a regular battery,
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1637.04 1637.71 Costs. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1643.21 1644.27 But over time 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1648.51 1649.85 Um circuit boards. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1663.34 1668.41 which is chip on print is where the machine prints on the wires and solders it all together for us. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1651.55 1655.55 Um yeah, I got a whole bunch of information on how circuit boards are produced. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1668.41 1670.87 I don't really know what to tell you as far as decisions. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1670.87 1674.37 I wasn't really given any options, I was just given that this is how they're done. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1655.55 1663.34 They're they're thin fibreglass with copper wires etched on to them, and di I think they're quite easily printed on by machine 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1675.01 1675.65 Okay. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1675.64 1676.28 Um 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1679.44 1682.39 I can I can tell you a whole lot about how it works. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1682.39 1684.15 But I don't know any decisions on 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1678.06 1679.44 yeah, I can't can't really tell you. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1684.76 1686.24 If they're if they're really options. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1686.57 1686.96 Yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1687.86 1689.49 I'm sorry, I did f 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1688.59 1688.88 Okay. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1688.8 1691.33 Al all circuit boards are pretty much the same, I think. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1691.33 1693.27 Uh it's fairly fairly standard. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1693 1693.25 Yeah. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1695.44 1698.25 Um okay, then we'll move on to the case. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1699.82 1706.32 Um oh bu I guess maybe if we decided on like a simple, a regular, or an advanced chip, maybe. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1705.12 1705.86 Right. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1705.86 1709.6 Well okay, here's the here's the thing on the chips that I that I got. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1709.6 1712.82 Um simple, regular, advanced chip on print. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1712.82 1716.39 The chip on print includes an infrared sensor, so we don't have to worry about that. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1717.52 1718.17 Um, 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1730 1732.64 Do we want a scroll wheel, or do we just want pushbuttons? 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1719.35 1730 'kay, the pushbutton if we're gonna have pushbuttons, they require a simple chip, but a scroll wheel requires a regular chip, and an L. C. D. requires advanced. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1734.16 1734.56 Um 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1737.04 1739.45 I don't think we ne really need the scroll whe wheel. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1742.42 1743.71 Uh but 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1739.45 1742.42 I mean it might be nice for changing the volume. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1742.05 1742.53 Oh. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1742.29 1746.38 It would be nice for changing the volume, but I don't know how useful it'd be for changing the channel. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1746.38 1749.08 'Cause you don't have control over numbers or 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1746.16 1747.58 I don't think it would really work. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1746.82 1747.89 Yeah, it's a 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1749.03 1751.43 Yeah, you really need buttons for changing a channel. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1749.35 1759.64 Yeah, th it'd be it'd be handy for going through if there was an on-screen menu of your channel choices, than you can scroll down on the scroll. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1757.37 1762.54 But if you c if you could scroll through the channels, and then the volume would just be 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1758.01 1758.22 Yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1761.22 1761.66 Yeah. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1762.08 1764.81 We have five minutes left for the meeting, so. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1776.67 1785.84 black with red sticking out and th no it's gonna inevitably sort of start looking like those group of sort of ugly ones that we saw stacked up. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1773.47 1776.67 And otherwise, no matter how may buttons we have, we're gonna have like, you know 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1764.03 1773.47 and the volume would just be like the same way, forward and backward as I'm just thinking like it would make it much like sleeker sort of looking. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1766.16 1766.56 Yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1772.69 1773.13 Yeah. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1773.49 1773.71 Yeah. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1782.34 1782.59 Yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1786.56 1787.05 Hmm. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1787.27 1790.48 So, have a scroll for volume? 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1790.72 1793.06 F or for all those secret functions? 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1792.12 1792.26 F 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1793.95 1801.94 When you get on the on-screen menu of all your functions that your remote could do for you without the buttons and you could have a scroll wheel to go through those menus. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1802.45 1806.74 I think yeah, I think a scroll wheel would be nice, but it's not necessary. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1806.74 1807.23 Um 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1807.55 1812.7 So we could either go with a simple or a regular chip, depending and maybe we could table that decision for later. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1806.71 1807.55 Right. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1813.79 1814.59 Um. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1814.22 1814.84 I don't know. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1817.45 1820.49 I think w well I think when we go on to the une userface 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1820.49 1825.09 we're gonna have to decide the interface we're gonna have to decide um whether we're gonna have a scroll or not. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1822.65 1823.06 Okay. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1825.27 1827.81 Well, let's think about that while we talk about the case. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1827.4 1828.18 Okay, let's do case. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1828.53 1833.62 Uh I'm kinda liking the idea of latex, if if spongy is the in thing. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1831.99 1832.2 Yeah. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1834.14 1838.6 I'm a little um I'm a little hesitant about it, because I'm worried about protecting the stuff on the inside. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1839.11 1839.52 Okay. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1839.81 1840.43 Um 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1840.6 1843.19 Oh could it be hard, and then something around it? 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1842.01 1844.31 Uh yeah, everything I've 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1843.27 1848.61 Yeah, I would be more okay with like a titanium actual thing and then maybe like a mobile phone kind of thing. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1866.05 1867.43 The inside is hard. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1846.33 1853.36 N oh wha what I've what I've seen, just not related to this, but of latex cases before,
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1867.43 1871.77 I don't think we need to worry about protecting the circuit board, I think that that's done for us. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1853.36 1859.42 is that there's uh like a hard plastic inside, and it's just covered with the latex. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1859.42 1866.05 Not too thick a layer of latex, just enough to be grippable, like bike handles or or anything that you've seen like that. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1851.38 1851.76 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1858.65 1859.22 Okay. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1860.4 1861.02 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1862.84 1863.17 Okay. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1869.48 1870.35 Ge o 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1873.46 1875.41 So we uh we do want latex. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1871.89 1873.46 Okay. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1873.3 1873.41 Yeah. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1872.73 1873.3 'Kay. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1875.83 1876 Yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1876.23 1876.4 Yeah. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1877.65 1877.92 Okay. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1879.38 1880.19 Latex. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1880.19 1884.8 Um and probably in colours, maybe fruity, vegetable colours. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1885.42 1885.68 Yeah. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1890.61 1896.01 Okay um let's go to the ufe user interface then we'll come back to the chip I suppose. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1886.36 1890.61 Fruity colours. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1896.18 1898.49 Oh and we want a curved case, yeah? 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1898.49 1899.75 Or a double-curved? 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1900.54 1902.1 Well, we don't really know what the difference is, right? 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1902.21 1904.48 I'm thinking curved of some sort. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1903.8 1904.13 Yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1906.48 1907.93 We don't really know what the difference 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1904.23 1906.48 Yeah, okay. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1904.45 1904.8 Yeah. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1909.14 1912.68 Um okay, interface, the type and the supplements. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1918.82 1919.55 Or both? 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1914.2 1918.82 So push or scroll, right? 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1915.79 1916.49 Um 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1919.82 1920.46 Um 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1918.53 1919.82 Yep. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1921.84 1926.7 And I think if we wanna keep our costs down, we should just go for pushbuttons,
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1934.13 1939.4 So in terms of uh in terms of uh economics it's probably better to have pushbuttons. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1926.7 1934.13 'cause then we can have a a simple chip and it's simpler, it's it's cheaper to make pushbuttons than it is a scroll button. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1933.75 1934.28 Good point. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1934.72 1935.26 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1940.94 1949.11 And if we had a sc an on-screen um kind of thing that you could scroll through, like you can use your buttons to scroll through things. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1949.11 1951.17 I think that yeah. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1951.17 1957.81 For channel surfing I think a scroll an actual like an iPod's kind of scroll thing would be too fast, I dunno. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1947.69 1950.62 Yeah, yeah, it's uh it's it's fairly simple. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1967.27 1976.71 but it's gotta be some more expensive, so I think it might be better to put our money into the stuff like the kinetic battery and the cool case 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1958.93 1967.27 I say pushbuttons at least unless we get any information but I have no idea how much more expensive a scroll wheel is than than a pushbutton,
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1956.92 1958.93 Yeah. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1969.98 1970.23 Yeah. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1977.57 1978.54 Is that okay with you? 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1976.33 1977.57 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1978.54 1979.29 How you feeling? 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1977.01 1977.84 Yeah. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1977.84 1978.33 Interesting. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1977.56 1978.6 because 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1978.55 1979.49 Yeah. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1985.9 1992.45 but if it's gonna be in a latex type thing and that's gonna look cool, then that's probably gonna have a bigger impact than the scroll wheel. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1981.06 1985.9 I mean I'm not like hard-sold on the scroll wheel, it's more just to give it a different kind of look,
ES2008c H03 FEE032 1979.49 1981.06 And let's like see if we get anything else. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1985.83 1986.45 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1988.48 1989.92 It might be cool enough. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 1992.82 1993.2 Yeah. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 1994.13 2001.42 Okay, so we're gonna go with um type pushbuttons, and then supplements, how are we gonna do that? 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 1998.52 1998.68 Yep. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 2002.68 2004.78 Uh what do you mean by supplements, exactly? 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 2005.44 2012.63 Um I assume that's what else we're gonna like h ha the um the additional buttons we can use. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 2013.04 2013.64 Um 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 2013.63 2013.97 Oh. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 2018.81 2022.33 Okay, um so we're doing an on-screen menu that we can scroll through. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 2013.72 2018.81 So we're gonna have like a menu button, so that we can access on-screen things then? 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 2015.88 2016.22 Yep. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 2018.12 2018.33 Yeah. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 2019.05 2019.28 Alright. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 2019.21 2019.99 Um in 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 2021.11 2023.08 So what are what are our buttons gonna be? 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 2023.08 2024.16 On off 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 2021.46 2021.71 Yeah. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 2035.84 2036.58 Um 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 2024.22 2030.92 On off, uh volume, favourite channels, uh and menu. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 2030.92 2035.84 Yeah, yeah about yeah like yeah, a bit like radio presets. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 2028.92 2031.74 So like one through five, or 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 2031.01 2033.85 Like a radio type sorta situation? 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 2036.2 2042 Pre-set channels and then we're gonna need um numbers one through zero, right? 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 2041.59 2043.69 Uh we wouldn't even need the numbers. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 2042.7 2043.16 No. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 2045.17 2047.81 I think maybe numbers seems is kind of old-fashioned. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 2047.12 2052.86 Well, but in order to pre-set a cha oh I guess you can just hold it down when you get to one when you're scrolling through. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 2054.71 2059.96 sort of up down kind of button, but the volume control could double for that, for example. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 2050.48 2054.71 Yeah, yeah, you can just and you need some kind of, I dunno,
ES2008c H01 FEE030 2051.82 2052.06 Mm. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 2056.41 2057.33 Yeah, up down. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 2074.56 2076.98 You'll get specific instructions from your personal coach. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 2064.26 2069.46 Um our next meeting starts in thirty minutes, um you each have things to do, look and feel design, user interface design,
ES2008c H00 FEE029 2069.46 2074.56 product evaluation, and you two are going to work together on a prototype using modelling clay. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 2060.11 2062.14 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 2062.14 2064.26 Okay, um finishing the meeting now. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 2075.15 2079.36 Ooh. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 2075.56 2079.29 Cool. 
ES2008c H03 FEE032 2077.39 2077.81 Wow. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 2078.16 2079.46 Um did we decide on a chip? 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 2081.48 2081.79 Okay. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 2079.46 2081.48 Let's go with a simple chip? 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 2080.86 2081.51 Simple chip. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 2081.48 2081.77 Yep. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 2083.34 2084.85 We are done. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 2084.85 2085.98 Thank you everyone. 
ES2008c H00 FEE029 2089.21 2092.78 Oh I di these are already in our shared folder, so. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 2091.4 2092.1 Okay, cool. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 2095.57 2098.23 I wasn't expecting that. 
ES2008c H02 MEE031 2094.81 2095.57 Clay. 
ES2008c H01 FEE030 2094.87 2097.98 Clay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 36.32 37.4 Okay um, 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 38.56 42 welcome to our detailed design meeting. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 42 43.01 I'm pretty excited. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 43.49 48.14 Let's start it's approximately fifteen forty or something like that. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 60 67.52 what we d discussed um, then we'll have the prototype presentation and a look at the evaluation criteria. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 52.36 60 Okay um the agenda we're gonna do an opening and then um I'll talk about the minutes from the last meeting,
ES2008d H00 FEE029 67.52 72.45 We'll look at the finances and finally a do a production evaluation and close. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 74.03 79.83 So, starting off with the um last the last one, oh I don't have it here um, but we talked about energy,
ES2008d H00 FEE029 86.6 88.39 we're gonna need a scroll um 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 88.39 99.76 we're choosing a latex case w in fruity colours that's curved and um we're using push buttons uh with a supplement of an on-screen menu. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 79.83 86.6 we're gonna use a kinetic battery um, we want to use a simple chip, because we're not gonna need a a shuffle um 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 100.88 106.82 And it sounded like we had set um like eight or nine buttons, including five pre-set channels. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 107.74 108.59 Okay? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 108.59 111.37 Let's do the look and feel design presentation first. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 112.6 113.9 Right, do you wanna start? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 114.42 118.66 Right, well we made three different prototypes and I guess we'll start with with this one. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 118.95 125.2 Um we have our colours not are not fixed, but this is the general shape. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 125.2 134.13 Um it's you hold it sort of either like like this in your left hand or you switch it over and uh it's easily adaptable to either hand. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 134.13 137.88 You can push the buttons with your thumb like a mobile phone, or you can push them with your 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 138.35 144.21 index finger of your other hand, or even I mean there's a whole variety, you can hold it like this and press it with your same index finger. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 144.88 149.06 Uh we have the on off button at the tip, very visible, very big. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 165.9 168.3 If we press select three times,
ES2008d H01 FEE030 156.47 162.61 If you push if you're just pushing these normally, they're the menu buttons, if uh the volume buttons rather. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 162.61 165.9 If you press select once, they become channel changing buttons. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 168.3 177.17 the menu with the other features and pro possibly also with your T. V. channel choices shows up, and you have your five presets down here. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 149.56 156.47 We have our up and down buttons, which are also gonna be our channel selectors, and we have our little menu button here. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 178.26 181.62 Um if people wanna grab hold of that, see how it feels in your hand. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 185.61 189.34 Um do you wanna present the potato, or shall I present the Martian? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 182.82 185.61 That's our number one prototype. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 187.43 189.04 like a little lightning in it. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 188.54 190.36 Okay, um 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 189.89 191.86 The little lightning bolt in it, very cute. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 191.06 191.48 What 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 196.77 200.54 Um this one is known as the potato, uh it's 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 192.47 196.77 We call that one the rhombus, uh the rhombus. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 193.02 193.5 I could 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 194.28 196.86 The v the rhombus rhombus? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 195.8 197.01 That's the rhombus, yep. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 204.1 208.26 It's an ergonomic shape, so it it fits in your hand nicely. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 208.26 208.79 Um 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 201.43 204.1 it's a how can I present it? 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 209.15 212.97 it's designed to be used either in your left hand or or in your right hand. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 213.51 217.87 Um I've gone here just for just for four buttons on this one. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 217.87 218.61 Um 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 221.75 225.29 So you've got volume up and volume down on the other side here. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 219 221.75 the two blue buttons here are for adjusting the volume. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 225.96 237.17 Um the red ones are for uh changing channels, channel up and channel down and that's um moves between your favourite channels that you've selected. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 237.45 248.74 Uh this middle button here brings up the on-screen menu and when you're working in the on-screen menu you use the other four buttons to navigate around the menu system and the middle button uh to select 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 249.53 252.08 and that's basically it, that's the potato. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 255.27 256.14 Um on, off? 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 256.89 264.27 Uh that would be one of your channels, basically, so like channel zero would be t to switch switch the machine off, yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 260.41 261.2 Okay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 262.73 263.62 Yeah we turn it off. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 264.58 268 Could the middle button of the on-screen menu function as a power button? 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 268.98 274.95 Um not really, it would make it hard to turn the machine off, to turn your T. V. off. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 272.77 273.16 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 275.89 277.31 If you pressed and held it maybe. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 277.77 280.32 Yeah yeah, that that'd be one way of doing it, yeah. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 280.32 282.05 That'd work, yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 278.13 281.02 If you like held it down, that would be on off. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 279.3 279.57 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 280.79 282.77 On off, that's a possibility, yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 282.77 283.06 Okay. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 299.5 301.93 We have the five preset seeds. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 294.33 299.5 Uh you have the on off toggle stem on the top. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 289.94 294.33 Um it's a bit different, just a little bit more of a creative feel. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 283.99 289.94 And then finally we have um the Martian or the pear, either way. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 307.94 312.13 you have your channel changing, volume changing buttons and your menu button right here in the middle. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 304.11 307.94 And then you have on the sides to make it a little bit more three-dimensional,
ES2008d H01 FEE030 319.44 325.64 We figured it could stand up like this on your table, if you wanted it to, if I made the bot the bottom flat. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 313.76 319.44 So, that's for your consideration as well, plus it's an interesting talking point to have standing up. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 316.19 316.86 Let's pass. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 321.74 322.13 Uh-huh. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 325.16 326.93 Sorry, what's the yellow one in the middle, I forgot. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 326.61 330.19 Uh the menu select button. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 332.09 333.49 Very interesting. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 333.49 335.99 I think that one's my favourite. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 333.87 335.06 So that's 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 346.64 350.78 then decide what kind of button layout we want, how many buttons, 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 340.55 346.64 what we'd need to do is first of all decide on a form uh which of the three different shapes we want,
ES2008d H02 MEE031 336.31 337.8 So that's our three prototypes. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 337.8 340.55 Um basically, in terms of making decisions 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 356.79 362.01 like label on the buttons or put a brand name or or a logo on it or whatever. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 351.08 356.79 and then to choose what colours we want to make the buttons and if we wanna put any text on the device 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 360.88 362.02 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 362.83 364.15 We were we were thinking that 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 365.29 374.95 normally we'd go for fruity colours, but maybe we're also thinking that your sort of middle aged man, for an example customer,
ES2008d H01 FEE030 374.95 384.85 might not want a fruity coloured remote, so m maybe we'd have one version that's a bit toned down, maybe with with less contrasts on it. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 384.85 388.16 Yeah, something still a little bright to make it hard to lose, but 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 382 382.43 Mm 'kay. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 384.86 385.15 Would 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 387.11 388.14 Yeah, 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 388.77 391.11 but we don't want it to look like a kids' toy. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 390.92 391.74 yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 394.04 399.77 I don't know if you picked up your email, but um the f the um feature that we considered for it not getting lost. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 391.93 394.04 Now that was one thing that we brought up over email. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 395.21 395.42 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 400.04 400.55 Right. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 408.44 411.05 that it it's not just like another piece of technology around your house. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 414.15 419.15 So we're we're not thinking that it's gonna be as critical to have the loss 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 400.55 408.44 Well we were we were talking about that a little bit when we got that email and we think that each of these are so distinctive 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 411.05 414.15 It's gonna be somewhere that it can be seen. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 413.68 414.06 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 417.33 420.98 But if it's like under covers or like in a couch you still can't see it. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 419.75 420.48 It's really 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 426.09 432.08 you tape to your to your T. V. um that when you press it you ha a little light beep goes off? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 421.58 426.09 Would it be very difficult to um just have an external device that like I dunno 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 432.8 435.69 Do you think that would be conceptually possible? 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 435.82 438.79 I think it would be difficult technologically 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 438.79 448.91 because if your if your remote's lost it's probably under the settee and in that case you can't you can't send an infrared sing signal to it to find it 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 448.91 449.93 s so it's 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 435.83 436.31 I think 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 438.53 439.03 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 448.4 449.24 Mm. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 456.8 465 Uh I mean ho how many times do you really, seriously lose your remote control and would would a device like that actually help you to find it? 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 450.26 456.8 I'm not quite sure how it would work and then I wonder if it's if it's more just a gimmick then anything else. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 451.01 452.99 That's true, mm 'kay. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 451.84 452.09 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 465.14 468.19 There might be something that you can do in the circuit board and the chip 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 469.2 474.1 to make it make a noise or something, but it would take a lot more development than we have this afternoon. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 472.75 473.21 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 474.64 478.18 Okay, that's a fair evaluation. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 478.18 479.65 Getting lost. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 479.65 482.61 Um we so we do we've decided not to worry about that for now. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 483.77 488.01 Okay 'cause well, the designs are very bright, so you're right, they're gonna stick out, but um 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 492.15 492.48 Um. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 488.1 492.15 So d do people have a preference as far as feel and functionality? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 492.69 499.56 I feel like this is simil or it's sort of what already exists so if we're trying to think of something sort of like new and fun,
ES2008d H03 FEE032 516.63 520.98 But I also like the b the side buttons on that one, like I think that's kind of neat. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 507.44 516.63 I sort of like this one, like I I don't know why, it just it's like small but still sort of like cute looking, I dunno. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 499.56 507.44 even though this is like what you're init I'm initially drawn to, just 'cause it's like comfortable and like not different. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 518.98 519.45 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 521.97 531.12 But I dunno how much any of this has to do with the fashionable, sort of cool looking thing that we also need to focus on. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 530.4 533.42 Could we maybe have like an extra button on the top for on off? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 533.42 535.26 So then w we wouldn't have to have like a dual function? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 534 536.08 Mm yeah, that's good, that's good. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 534.15 535.69 Ah, there we go. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 534.22 536.46 Yeah, it's possible, yeah, yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 537.16 538.67 Here, stick it on. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 538.38 541 Put an extra the button on. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 540.15 540.59 Sure. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 542.66 547.26 Um uh why don't we do a product evaluation using your criteria, if you've developed some? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 546.34 550.72 Well do we w like I think we're supposed to have one that we do it for. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 550.71 551.96 Oh okay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 551.96 552.19 Okay. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 552.15 558.86 That was I was a little vague on what exactly I'm supposed to do, but let me I have to like write something on the whiteboard, so. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 552.98 553.89 So where 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 557.66 557.97 Okay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 559.48 561.91 Do you need this or just write on the white board? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 561.12 566.2 No, I actually don't have like a PowerPointy thing, 'cause I think it would be redundant. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 564.07 564.32 Okay. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 564.65 564.88 Right. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 567.38 567.69 Okay. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 567.53 568.51 I dunno. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 570.19 575.19 It's kind of like uh like a joystick kind of thing, you know, kinda push it. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 570.73 571.15 Ooh. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 572.48 574.91 Cool. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 574.82 575.35 Hey. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 577.85 578.01 'Kay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 579.79 581.3 Maybe a little smaller than that. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 582.38 583.34 That's hard to miss. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 581.46 582.38 No, I kinda like it. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 583.33 584.72 It makes look more fruity as well. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 585.37 586.89 Oh it does, it's kind of like 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 586.6 590.25 It's like a deformed foot, I dunno. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 596.03 598.9 There it could have a stem like that, 'cause I do l kind of like the stem. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 597.53 599.75 Like 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 598.45 598.59 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 602.67 602.97 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 604.12 607.39 It almost helps you ge keep a grip too, 'cause it goes in between fingers. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 606.21 606.38 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 606.66 607.69 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 607.69 608.21 Interesting. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 608.46 608.98 I like this one. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 612.92 618.33 I like the idea of the I mean that's really gotten the simplicity of the buttons down, that one. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 609.65 612.92 Okay, is that where people are leaning then, the potato? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 610.24 611.53 Variety of colours are nice. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 613.52 614.87 I think I'm leaning towards the potato. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 619.51 621.82 I am worried about like um using a menu. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 618.32 619.51 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 622.99 630.69 Um in that like i withing menus there are submenus, and so how do you get back to the main menu? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 628.36 628.62 Hmm. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 628.96 629.1 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 631.08 636.8 Well that on the iPod, for example, you just every time you wanna go back you hit the menu button again and it brings you back one level. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 637.16 642.28 But that has a menu button separate from a select button, whereas if this one's both the menu and the select button? 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 640.48 640.65 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 641.16 641.85 Good point. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 649.23 654.75 You find the choice that you want and you press uh you press the right button uh. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 642.9 649.23 This is, it's the up and down buttons are used for scrolling up and down for a list of choices. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 648.53 648.88 Okay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 656.88 660.06 Could these be used for going to submenus or 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 657.72 657.9 Yeah. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 658.95 661.96 Yeah, so they're used for going into and out of your submenus, yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 659.42 664.3 Maybe yeah, maybe it can be one of those, if you press down and hold 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 662.27 662.67 Okay. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 665.81 668.51 for two seconds, then it brings you back one level or something. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 668.49 669.01 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 671.23 674.22 Well, as long as we have that in mind as we're designing it still, mm 'kay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 670.79 671.23 Okay. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 674.66 684.62 Okay, so which one are we sort of roughly looking at to address whether or not it meets our s um necessities, the yellowy one is that 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 685.52 686.78 Are we leaning towards the potato? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 684.81 685.52 The potato? 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 685.84 686.34 Potato. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 686.55 687.13 I think so. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 687.85 690.96 Okay, well we can obviously change it after we go through each different one. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 700.73 703.7 So what we sort of wanna do is that we each need to separately 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 690.96 700.73 So basically what we need to do is some of the things that we've talked about before we need to make sure that that remote actually does conform to the things that we said it was going to. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 690.48 690.83 Okay. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 698.31 698.56 Okay. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 704.54 711.59 rank each of the following things and then I'll tabulate an average just to make sure that it does meet that. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 711.59 719.49 So we'll just go through them one at a time and we'll just go around and each of you can tell me on a scale of one to seven with one being really extremely true 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 709.06 709.21 Okay. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 727.99 730.1 So we can do this one first. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 719.97 727.99 and seven being not true at all, or false, if the remote that we've created conforms to the following criteria. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 730.1 736.13 First we wanna know if it meets the fancy look and feel um objective. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 737.41 745 So like in my opinion the for now at least, the yellow one is probably somewhere in the middle so I'm gonna say it's like a three. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 745 746.05 That's just my opinion. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 746.47 746.72 Yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 747.22 748.81 What does each of you 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 750.38 753.49 I I kind of think it's it's unique enough that I'd give it a one or a two. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 753.65 756.67 Okay, well give it a number, sorry. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 755.65 756.06 Okay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 757.47 759.37 I will give it a one. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 764.28 766.4 I dunno if fancy is the word I would use. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 761.67 764.28 Um I dunno if it's it's creative. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 767.6 773.74 I dunno if any of them are fancy in I'd say two, because c unique. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 772.54 772.87 Okay. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 782.4 785.01 I think it's extremely functional, I'm gonna give it a one. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 777.31 782.4 Alright, and same sort of scale for functionality, is it functional? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 774.88 777.31 And two, awesome. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 774.93 775.56 I'll go for two. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 786 786.91 Yeah, one. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 786.92 787.28 One? 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 788.1 792.25 I think it's it's functional, it's also pretty basic, so I'll give it a two. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 792.65 792.88 Okay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 794.53 796.33 Um functional. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 797.78 804.55 I think it'll get everything done, I think it might be a little confusing at first, um, I don't know if that's gonna be a later one. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 804.55 805.75 Okay, then I'm gonna give it a two. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 802.66 804.7 Well there's some other ones, I will address that, yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 801.46 802.66 Okay. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 808.03 811 Um we wanna know next if it's technologically innovative. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 806.11 808.03 Awesome, okay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 814.24 814.38 Okay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 811.59 814.24 Did you give a functional? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 814.79 816.81 Um is it technologically innovative? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 813 814.79 Yeah, she said it was one. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 818.5 818.53 Mm. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 820.2 827.05 Not really, I mean not so much, 'cause we we don't have the L. C. D. screen, we don't have fancy chip. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 827.05 830.63 Other than what it looks like, I dunno if it's really 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 829.84 830.88 Well, the kinetic battery. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 830.08 832.13 In the battery, that's it. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 831.67 833.7 I kinetic battery is a big one, so. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 834.71 836.19 How many people would notice that, though? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 835.01 835.04 Mm. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 836.87 838.73 But it but we know it's there. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 837.38 841.11 But they'll notice it after like a year, they'll be like hey, I have never changed the battery. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 840.56 843.89 And if it's made of like latex, that whole idea, that's pretty cool. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 843.89 844.65 I'll give it a three. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 842.42 842.84 Mm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 844 844.73 Just the material. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 845.81 848.43 'Cause it we could've picked a lot of features that would've made it really 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 849.88 852.99 I I would say that it's 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 848.71 849.88 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 854.56 857.82 Yeah, like fancy versus creative it's it's 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 859.84 860.96 But does that equal innovative? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 860.96 861.86 I dunno. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 858.68 859.84 different. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 861.86 862.88 I'll give it a three. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 863.58 863.86 Alright. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 865.27 865.57 Everyone else? 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 866.27 875.45 I'd say it's technologically it's not it's not unique, I mean it's it's just it is just pushbuttons um, so I I'd give it a four. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 877.71 878.94 Think I'm gonna go with the four as well. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 879.42 879.88 Mm 'kay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 880.48 881.91 I really like that kinetic battery though. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 888.74 890.55 I think it's really easy to use. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 883.91 888.74 Just so you know, easy to learn will be separate, so don't overlap them. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 881.99 883.91 Next, is it easy to use? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 890.55 893.25 I'll give it a two. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 886.29 886.77 Mm 'kay. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 887.14 887.45 Okay. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 896.46 897.23 Pretty hard to mess up. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 894.34 896.46 Um I'll give it a one. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 898.48 898.99 I'll say one. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 899.69 900.55 Uh let's say two. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 901.88 902.84 Alright. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 902.84 912.65 Um we next wanna see if it has a spongy quality and if indeed it's made of latex or rubber I it's spongy all the way. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 913.54 914.22 Give it a one. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 914.2 914.61 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 914.38 914.75 Yeah. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 915.22 916.96 I wonder if it bounces when you drop it. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 917.43 921.68 Ooh, that you couldn't it'd be harder to break, harder to lose. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 917.9 918.26 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 920.79 921.92 Mm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 921.92 923.48 'Cause there would be less impact maybe,. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 921.12 921.36 Yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 923.66 924.3 Iain, what do you give it? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 923.91 924.02 Mm. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 924.12 925.26 Yeah I'd I'd give it a one. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 926.83 934.51 Alright and the next is, does it integrate some notion of fruits and vegetables? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 934.51 936.37 Well, is it gonna be yellow? 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 932.04 933.39 Uh um. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 937.56 939.74 It it might be, 'cause that's our corporate colour, isn't it? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 948.83 952.83 but if we had all the buttons in black, and a design in and the outside in yellow,
ES2008d H00 FEE029 952.83 958.86 that'd be our corporate one and we could also have alternative colours, one a more conservative one, one that's more fruity. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 941.79 948.83 we didn't keep that in um well if we I know it would make it a little less c a little more confusing,
ES2008d H00 FEE029 940.28 941.79 That's right, yeah, corporate colour 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 941.46 941.61 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 943.22 944.37 We might wanna keep it yellow. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 957.86 960.54 Yeah, but if you had like a silvery kind of white or something. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 960.52 960.85 Yeah. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 961.72 962.51 Yeah, 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 962.34 965.77 Um and can we have like an R. R. inscribed on the bottom or something? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 965.77 966.09 Okay. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 962.71 963.72 If we had a yellow 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 965.25 965.63 Sure. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 965.87 966.38 Oh, yeah. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 966.07 966.21 Yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 968.31 970.13 Alright, so I think it it's 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 968.67 970.15 Fruity, so fruity. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 968.68 972.94 So it was inspired by the potato, so I think it's pretty fruity. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 971.91 972.14 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 972.49 974.21 I think i it's kind of mangoey too. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 974.5 976.59 Oh, mango that that 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 974.5 975.17 Yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 975.17 977.96 I okay, I'm giving it a one the mango put me over. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 974.8 975.88 Mangoey is better, yeah. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 975.88 980.15 I like mangoes. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 975.54 975.88 Yes. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 978.04 978.37 Mm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 978.28 983.59 That's a much more trendy than a potato one. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 979.16 982.75 What are what's everyone's numbers? 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 984.64 985.01 Uh two. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 985.74 986.09 One. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 991.1 998.14 Remember earlier we discussed that people don't use a lot of buttons, that they use the channel flipping and the volume the most. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 986.98 991.1 Alright um, and does the design match the appropriate behaviour? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 999.46 1002.25 I think we really took that into account a lot, so I'm gonna give it a one. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1002.43 1003.14 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1002.48 1003.31 Yeah, me too. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1005.39 1005.71 Uh one. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1006.63 1007.45 Did you say one, Rose? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1008.02 1008.39 Yes. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1017.98 1022.94 Do we think that the latex sort of grip appropriately takes that into account? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1009.77 1017.98 Okay um, also we talked earlier about R. S. I. and wanting to prevent um any sort of like Carpal Tunnely kind of thing. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1024.13 1029.36 I think I'll give it a two, 'cause I almost feel like no matter what you do, something is gonna happen. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1028.22 1031.04 It's gonna be hard. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1028.42 1028.71 Yeah. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1029.38 1030.17 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1031.32 1036.21 And if it's repetitive movement it is gonna be only four buttons that you're constantly pushing, but um 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1036.98 1038.49 Um um worth the risk, I think. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1037.95 1041.1 I like how it fits in the hand though so I I'd go with a two. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1040.36 1040.61 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1044.04 1050.48 Because older people that aren't used to like texting with the thumb might find it a bit at first, but 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1042.39 1044.04 I'll I'll say two as well. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1048.82 1049.42 Mm. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1049.43 1049.7 'Kay. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1052 1052.95 Yeah I'll I'll say two. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1053.02 1054.54 Alright, awesome. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1056.98 1060.64 I know you were saying that you're a little bit nervous about that, I dunno. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1062.47 1068.64 I just got mine, I still haven't read the instruction book and I'm doing okay, so and I'm not good at learning technology. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1054.54 1056.98 And the ease of learning it. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1060.64 1062.47 It sort of reminds me of the iPod. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1068.64 1069.55 So I'll give it a two. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1065.3 1065.86 Mm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1071.25 1077.13 The menu system and the the fact that multiple buttons are used for different things might be a bit confusing,
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1083.28 1085.79 So I'd I think I'd give it a two I guess. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1077.13 1083.28 but I think if it's one it's one of those things that it might take you five minutes to figure out, but you'll have it afterwards. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1082.92 1083.23 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1087.54 1090.98 I think it it's probably a little harder then most remotes to learn 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1090.98 1099.76 because you have to you have to use the menu system and you have to tell it what your favourite channels are and that could take a bit of learning at first 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1099.76 1100.02 but 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1097.28 1098.09 Oh, good point. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1099.54 1099.82 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1101.78 1105.03 once you've, yeah once you'd learned how to use it, I think it is a lot easier. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1105.03 1106.79 So I'd I'd give it a four. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1106.66 1106.85 Okay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1107.78 1108.96 I think I'd give it a four too. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1108.96 1111.9 It's a pretty high learning curve, it'll be easy once you've done it, but 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1112.15 1112.52 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1112.22 1112.45 Yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1113.7 1120.22 Alright, um also earlier we had something about losing it and so now we're not addressing that at all, so 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1121.11 1125.53 We we I think we can kind of say we addressed it with colour, but 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1138.89 1142.64 you're kind of not gonna find it, but anywhere else it's gonna stand out. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1124.44 1132.75 Okay, so in terms of not losing it, do you think that on a scale of one to seven, how easy or hard is it to lose? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1132.75 1138.89 I'm gonna I'm gonna give it a four, 'cause I think that you can still if it's in between somewhere where you can't see it,
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1140.84 1141.19 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1141.3 1141.4 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1144.6 1149.55 Um I'd say I'd give it uh a three, I guess it depends on how tidy you are normally. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1149.56 1151.15 Mm I'd give it a four. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1152.07 1156.43 Um I'll give it a five 'cause i it would be easy to lose something like that, yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1155.58 1156.36 Small too. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1157.3 1163.09 Alright, we also said simplicity, how w how well does it address just being simple? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1164.15 1167.07 Simple to use or simple in design? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1167.07 1167.52 Do you know? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1167.19 1173.67 I think overall, 'cause we had said before our two main things were simplicity and fashion, so those are the next two things we're gonna look at. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1173.67 1176.39 Separate from fancy, like that sort of thing. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1175.32 1175.64 Right. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1177.59 1183.72 Um it like wants to be simple but it's not like totally totally simple, so I'm gonna give it a two. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1184.65 1186.6 I'm give it a three I guess. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1187.81 1188.51 I'll give it a two. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1189.73 1189.97 Three. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1191.46 1192.81 Alright, and fashionable? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1194.98 1195.7 I'd give it a one. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1193.78 1194.98 It's totally fashionable. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1194.8 1196.97 It's hot, I mean it's a mango, come on. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1196.93 1197.69 Mango. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1198.38 1200.33 I mean how fashionable can you make a remote? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1200.33 1203.74 I think it's bringing technology and fashion together real really well. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1202.64 1204.51 I dunno. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1204.51 1206.68 I don't think it's quite as fashionable as my robot remote 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1207.21 1209.9 I do like uh the little Martian one. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1208.58 1209.79 or alien or whatever he was. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1209.76 1211.89 Yeah, the toggle on off switch, it's really appealing. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1215.11 1215.54 Number. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1215.68 1217.19 Um two. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1219.73 1219.93 Three. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1221.21 1221.42 One. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1222.56 1229.36 And does it meet our like demographic need sort of for international appeal, 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1231.01 1232.1 that whole thing? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1233.76 1235.74 Just that it would se serve our audience. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1236.71 1237.47 I don't see why not. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1238.54 1243.56 I think as long if we offer in a in at least three different colour arrangements. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1237.66 1238.54 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1244.28 1245.16 Um yeah, that's good. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1244.32 1244.61 Yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1244.69 1245.04 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1247.08 1251.56 So I'll give it a a two. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1249.33 1250.52 Yeah, I'll say two. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1251.97 1255.74 Alright, did anyone have any other features that they think were important that we didn't talk about? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1260.44 1267.09 so let's let's make sure we keep that in mind that we ha that one of our colours concepts is corporate and has an R. R. on it. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1256.18 1260.44 Well um we didn't we didn't address the fact that it does need to b have a corporate logo 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1267.09 1268.52 All of them should have R. R., yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1264.44 1265.12 Shall we uh 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1266.33 1268.32 Well I think all of them should have an R. R. . 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1270.7 1273.33 And so we're gonna do that, so it will address it, fine. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1272.1 1272.46 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1272.46 1273.36 Mm 'kay. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1276.36 1276.76 Okay. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1278.32 1278.88 That's me. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1278.42 1279.04 Lovely. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1280.66 1282.68 Okay, now we're gonna look at finances. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1282.68 1287.86 Um I have an Excel sheet that we're actually gonna calculate the cost um, 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1289.04 1291.21 so let me exit out of this first. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1295.67 1297.09 Okay um 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1297.4 1297.84 Whoa. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1297.42 1298.47 Oh my. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1298.63 1299.09 I know. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1300.26 1304.13 Let me one more space. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1304.13 1305.32 Gonna zoom in real quick. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1310.82 1311.95 Okay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1311.95 1313.07 Hand dynamo. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1314.2 1315.41 We're using kinetic battery, right? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1314.47 1316 Uh we're n using kinetic, yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1316.52 1318.51 Um and we're having one per 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1320.28 1320.64 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1320.29 1321.61 One, okay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1321.61 1322.86 Um electronics. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1324.52 1325.95 Simple, simple rather. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1323.43 1324.52 Single. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1324.6 1324.97 Simple. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1325.13 1325.6 Simple. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1326.4 1326.73 Mm 'kay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1328.07 1329.22 Um the case. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1329.68 1332.36 Uh uh uh double-curved. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1332.68 1333.62 It is pretty curvy. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1331.05 1332.68 Guess it's double-curved. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1333.54 1333.87 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1333.91 1336.9 It's very curvy, so okay. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1335.67 1338.09 Yeah I never did get a picture of those so I don't really know. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1344.16 1348.87 No, we we the plastic is the plastic for the inside is assumed. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1339.59 1344.16 Our case material supplements oops, we just skipped by them. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1348.87 1349.92 The supplement is 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1342.2 1343.93 Well don't we need plastic, and 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1348.47 1349.23 Provided, okay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1350.81 1351.19 The wood? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1351.03 1352.91 Oh, I guess it was rubber rather than latex. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1352.13 1352.96 I mean the rubber. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1352.26 1353.87 It was rubber and special colour, right? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1354.53 1354.86 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1355.24 1355.93 Mm-hmm, okay. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1355.76 1357.26 Do we have more than one special colour? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1359.36 1363.01 Yeah, we're using we're gonna need at least two special colours. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1359.37 1360.78 Uh well 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1361.25 1362.27 Special colours, isn't it? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1364.16 1364.54 Um. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1364.61 1366.88 I don't know what the se the basic colour is though. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1365.06 1365.49 Per 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1366.35 1367.57 I dunno where it yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1367.89 1370.27 Well, but we know that we're having at least three colours, so 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1369.85 1370.86 So let's y say three. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1377.08 1379.07 Is that two special colours? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1370.39 1377.08 Well, are we talking about on each colour combination or are we, you know, we'll like we'll have yellow and black. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1379.62 1380.8 Yeah, I dunno. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1380.8 1383.23 That I thi I thought that would be under yours. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1380.31 1383.73 Or or is white and black, then two more or 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1388.11 1389.17 Uh. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1390.55 1393.31 I guess it's three, three three. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1391.25 1392.17 We'll just say three. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1393.61 1394.66 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1399.81 1400.96 And how many buttons do we have? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1394.66 1397.5 Maybe the R. R. will be in colour as well, so yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1397.5 1399.81 Interface, we're doing push buttons. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1393.72 1394.13 Right. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1394.44 1394.81 Alright. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1399.4 1399.69 Yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1400.61 1402.47 We have six. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1401.84 1403.55 We've got five. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1403.55 1404.36 Oh six. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1403.43 1404.01 Oh no, five. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1403.45 1404.73 Six, with the power. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1403.62 1404.31 Six. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1406.47 1406.83 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1406.79 1407.65 Anything else? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1408.64 1409.8 Oh, we'll do we wa 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1408.25 1408.64 No. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1411.36 1413.16 Are the buttons in special colour, special f 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1414.52 1415.58 I didn't get information on 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1415.52 1415.97 Oh wait. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1415.87 1418.66 Oh, buttons oh, so um. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1418.66 1423.38 So the case material will just have one colour, right, but then the buttons will be in special colours? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1421.48 1426.62 Well, does it but if we're making multiple varieties of this is where I'm getting confused. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1421.53 1421.96 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1426.95 1428.19 We're saying per unit. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1427.71 1430.08 per unit, okay, okay. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1428.92 1429.82 Yeah, per unit. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1429.59 1434.06 Okay, so each unit will only have one colour on their but the case is 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1431.86 1434.41 Alright, and each button s 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1440.95 1441.6 So 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1435.08 1440.95 could have up to thr I mean the buttons could ea could be up to three colours, 'cause that how it's designed there. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1439.03 1439.37 Yeah. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1439.84 1440.15 Yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1440.26 1441.19 I like it like that. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1440.56 1442.34 Yeah, okay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1445.26 1447.5 They're all kind of just push button, right? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1443.97 1445.26 Special form? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1448.91 1451.21 Material, we want them rubber as well probably, yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1446.52 1448.91 No, I think they're fine. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1447.22 1447.44 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1448.6 1449.49 Special material? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1452.65 1454.59 Oh do I have to do it per button, do I? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1451.65 1452.65 Uh. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1455.56 1456.78 No, I don't think so. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1458.8 1462.16 I think they're if they're all gonna be rubber then it that's what it matters. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1459.78 1460.03 Okay. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1469.61 1470.48 Oh wait, so maybe. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1463.83 1467.71 Yeah, 'cause it wouldn't make sense otherwise, 'cause for the whole mat case material it's only one. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1467.71 1469.61 It's I mean it's two to make it rubber. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1464.21 1464.53 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1464.68 1465.2 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1467.18 1467.57 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1467.44 1467.71 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1469.38 1469.63 Okay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1471.86 1472.99 Thirteen point seven. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1473.92 1474.3 Oh oh. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1475.04 1477.05 Yeah, what can we reduce? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1476.6 1478.75 Okay, let's have our buttons all be one colour. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1480.6 1482.37 Mm, I kind of like the buttons. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1483.03 1484.94 It's only gonna bring us down to thirteen point three anyway. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1481.42 1483.03 Let's see what that would do. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1485.2 1485.73 Alright. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1487 1489.61 Okay um, are we sure this is double-curved? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1489.61 1492.25 Maybe it's single-curved, we have no idea. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1487.87 1488.45 Uh. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1490.2 1491.32 We have no idea. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1494.36 1496.08 I dunno, I didn't get any pictures. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1497.23 1503 It's single curved. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1503 1504.32 Why not? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1498.92 1501.07 It's single curved. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1504.35 1505.83 Well it's not the yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1505.83 1510.75 Okay, it's the kinetic battery that's kind of expensive, but we have a simple chip, single curve, 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1512.22 1518.51 case material is rubber and it's a special colour, but that's important. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1518.51 1521.63 Six buttons we have to have six buttons. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1515.41 1515.67 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1522.9 1525.16 It was it was thirteen and now it's fifteen. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1518.1 1519.76 That is important. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1519.76 1522.9 How did it get more expensive, what did you just change? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1522.9 1523.22 What? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1530.02 1530.67 Now it's twelve. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1528.16 1530.02 I don't know what just happened. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1526.51 1528.16 No, okay, maybe not. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1530.19 1530.39 We 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1531.01 1532.24 What was our target price again? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1533.54 1534.22 Hey hey. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1532.48 1533.54 Twelve point five. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1532.67 1533.47 Twelve point five. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1533.57 1534.25 Twelve point five. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1534.25 1536.16 So we're just just about there. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1535.35 1536.78 So we're okay, I think. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1536.23 1536.85 We're all set then. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1537.97 1538.1 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1540.37 1540.81 Ish. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1551.93 1554.33 Um okay, back to agenda. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1546.67 1551.93 I saved that to our um our big shared folder, so you know. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1542.55 1544.78 Okay, we're all set. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1544.78 1546.67 Um save. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1543.01 1543.26 Alright. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1563.21 1564.96 Let's move on to the project evaluation. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1559.09 1561.74 Um are the are the costs under twelve fifty Euro? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1561.74 1563.21 Yes. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1561.57 1562.22 Yes. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1562.31 1563.11 Yeah, they are. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1562.32 1562.43 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1566.21 1567.14 Project process. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1575.36 1581.61 So I guess what we're gonna talk about here is just evaluating how we created this project, the information we got on the news,
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1568.18 1575.36 Satisfaction with for example the room for creativity, leadership, teamwork, the means, any new ideas found. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1581.61 1587.76 how we used it, if we were able to um, you know, use our creativity with the information,
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1587.76 1598.59 um how how well I guess I led it, um the how well we worked together as a team, um the digital pens, the whiteboard. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1599.78 1599.89 Well. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1600.07 1600.37 Okay. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1606.23 1608.3 I enjoyed making the prototypes. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1603 1606.23 I felt very creative. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1609.27 1621.74 I think we've been successful in that we've achieved almost all of the design goals that we've set and we've come up with a finished project and we just about got cost. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1616.35 1616.73 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1623.36 1630.4 I think we could've done even better with a little bit more information, like what's a single-curved case, how many colours, what do colours count 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1626.67 1626.97 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1631.02 1631.33 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1631.49 1635.2 things, but given given what we had I think that we did we did really well. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1636.46 1638.88 Um I think we worked together pretty well. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1639.36 1639.51 Yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1640.72 1646.86 Yeah, I mean if I'd had more market research on the fruits and vegetables, maybe we could've taken that into account. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1644.22 1644.55 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1646.76 1649.86 But the fruits and vegetables, they really my creativity, so. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1644.26 1646.76 Yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1652.51 1653.36 No, I mean 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1649.47 1652.51 I know, I really did, the the whole mango idea was great. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1651.96 1655.51 Do you think we could 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1655.08 1665.09 I thought the pen was a little distracting for me personally, like its heaviness, and like just being so conscious of like turning the pages, I dunno. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1671.5 1675.48 so I liked that I had the option to do that and just to take my own notes and that whole sort of thing. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1667.05 1671.5 That was the last one, like I chose not to do a PowerPoint 'cause I didn't think it made sense to 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1665.09 1667.05 That was a bit of a distraction. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1666.71 1666.96 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1674.53 1675.09 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1681.57 1681.74 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1681.75 1687.65 I think we all made um very significant contributions, I don't think anybody dominated it, which I thought was really good,
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1687.65 1696.12 like each of us was able to um like each of you had your information and I uh I tried to facilitate it without like taking over, um 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1695.59 1695.74 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1697.54 1699.21 I like our little finished products. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1706.65 1708.51 Should we have that somewhere on the packaging? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1699.15 1706.65 Can we market this as the mango remote? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1699.37 1700.53 They're funny. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1700.39 1701.4 Really cute. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1701.43 1702.4 I kind of want one. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1711.12 1712.55 I have a little R. R. . 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1711.56 1714.27 I'm trying to think of a good pun that I could add there. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1714.12 1716.11 I know, let's think of it like a little jingle. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1717.41 1718.28 Um. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1718.08 1720.13 I like the R. R., that's gonna be etched in. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1721.29 1727.47 Hopefully not with just my fingernail at some point but um it's quite a useful little gadget. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1720.14 1721.29 Yes. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1728.82 1730.85 All thanks to Iain for the design of that one. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1733.46 1736.51 Okay um new ideas found? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1734.9 1736.78 What did we find for new ideas? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1736.78 1739.36 People should really base their remotes on fruits and vegetables. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1734.07 1734.9 Mm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1739.64 1740.83 Definitely. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1740.83 1745.05 Or or at least be c p creative enough to think of toggle switches mm 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1740.47 1740.61 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1746 1752.26 I I am really into the idea of kinetic batteries now after reading about them. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1752.26 1752.66 That was 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1746.41 1746.72 etcetera. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1749.56 1750.81 Oh, I'm so excited. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1752.24 1754.16 Yeah, I didn't even know they existed. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1754.14 1761.68 I I knew you can get watches that had them, like really quite expensive watches that just never need a battery, 'cause you're always moving your wrist. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1761.57 1761.95 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1763.11 1766.09 But in other things, I think it'd be really good. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1767.87 1769.5 I thi yeah, that's awesome. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1770.71 1772.96 Um okay, closing. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1787.64 1791.8 um especially if we can produce it at twelve point three which we hope um 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1776.14 1778.51 Is the project evaluated? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1774.19 1776.14 Are the costs within the budget? 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1780.65 1787.64 Um so, this is the great product kids, I think we've created something really interesting and that we have a market for it 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1778.51 1780.65 Now there's the final questionnaire and meeting summary. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1776.47 1776.9 Yes. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1787.81 1787.98 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1794.4 1797.58 Make sure in your questionnaire to put down criticisms of 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1793.7 1794.4 yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1805.52 1807.38 I do like the Martian remote. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1798.55 1805.52 both the process and the um the final results and. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1807.38 1809.51 If we could choose more than one, that would be my second choice. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1804.55 1806.1 Yeah, Real Reaction. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1809.32 1810.85 Oh, that would definitely be my second choice. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1810.95 1811.16 Mm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1811.43 1812.72 Although the tog toggle 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1813.92 1814.92 I'm afraid I would 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1814.26 1814.79 That's cool. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1814.79 1817.48 Let's all let's all go for the yellow 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1816.37 1817.02 I would break it. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1814.96 1816.37 I would break it. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1815.72 1816.9 It's cool. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1816.9 1817.78 I think I would break it. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1816.59 1823.69 It started because I wanted to have it as st as a stem and then alright, so 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1818.2 1818.84 Break the stem off. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1823.61 1826.25 Oh that's funny. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1826.68 1832.06 Is it started as a pear, but then it started looking more and more like a Martian when I put the 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1831.23 1835.4 Oh yeah, it's kind of a penguin. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1831.46 1833.79 Kind of looks like a penguin, like with no eye. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1832.86 1836.65 Take me to your leader. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1837.73 1838.9 I like that it stands up. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1839.56 1840.21 Mm-mm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1841.41 1845.18 Wow, maybe I should market it to some remote control company now. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1846.64 1853.45 So are are poor little thing. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1848.67 1850.35 That was bound to happen 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1849.2 1850.65 Oh, sad. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1857.57 1859.66 Mm 'kay, congratulations. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1861.24 1861.95 Um. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1863.7 1864.51 Anything else to say? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1867.67 1870.93 Nothing will come up until after our meeting's supposed to be over, its all timed. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1870.01 1870.56 Alright. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1871.08 1871.34 Oh. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1871.49 1877.24 Um anybody have I got more master classes, anybody else wanna like take a master's class? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1872.39 1874.12 Oh. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1875.4 1881.06 It's really funny that you got spam in your work emails. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1881.76 1884.15 So like there are all these like links, they don't go anywhere. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1880.65 1881.76 Yeah, but check it out. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1885.47 1889.12 But all that you need to keep in mind your knowledge management. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1889.12 1891.09 Um just wanna make sure you do. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1891.44 1897.6 No the first one that you sent like I didn't realise that it was a joke and I was like why did she send this to us? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1897.6 1901.88 It's very it's very work relevant, 'cause people send spam a lot. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1895.6 1898.3 Oh 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1899.66 1900.29 It is. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1901.51 1905.47 Yes definitely I'm very sad that I didn't get any links to the corporate website. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1906.32 1910.02 Let's see, what did I get through the corporate website? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1910.02 1912.51 It's just inspiration about circuit boards. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1906.58 1908.85 Oh here you can you can view. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1910.04 1911.01 You can just see what's up. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1912.86 1913.21 Wow. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1913.38 1915.43 Yeah it's it's really deep. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1915.43 1915.9 Hold on. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1918.29 1920.87 Takes a little while to get excited to load. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1923.24 1929.58 Here, like, basically it's like inspiration, basically I'm gonna give you two sentences on fashion and 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1920.87 1923.24 That the Excel thing is pretty cool. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1923.4 1925.39 I love Excel, it's one of my favourite programs. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1922.78 1923.4 Yes. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1922.88 1924.2 Yeah, that is pretty neat. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1932.1 1933.48 You didn't miss out that much. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1930.89 1932.1 that kind of thing, see. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1932.67 1933.77 I see, mm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1941.86 1943.22 I learned a lot actually. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1933.91 1941.86 Yeah, my inspiration from from last time is the in interior of a remote control being taken apart bit by bit, talking about circuit boards. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1943.22 1946.04 I could probably take apart a remote control now if I really needed to. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1935.87 1936.49 Spongy. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1942.54 1942.73 Mm. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1942.8 1943.44 Oh wow. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1946.39 1947.54 This one was cooler. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1947.54 1948.86 I got a whole table and everything. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1961.14 1964.16 you don't actually need this you just need to talk about the case. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1949.68 1957.42 Now I have all about circuits and chips and transponders and I wrote it all down, because I thought it would be relevant,
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1957.42 1961.14 like all the different parts of the inside of a remote control, but then they're like 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1967.13 1974.07 And then it didn't have like any kind of table, like awesome, I'm glad they asked that question and didn't report the result. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1963.04 1967.13 That's like mine it was like, would you prefer an L. C. D. screen or a multifunction remote control? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1974.53 1975.58 It's really interesting though. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1974.72 1979.7 I I thought it was a little tricky having to hand around this thing. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1980.68 1980.91 Yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 1980.92 1981.26 Yeah. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1981.24 1981.47 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1981.83 1985.79 We had a lot of the um otherwise the technology today was kinda cool. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1983.72 1984.24 I think. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1986.18 1986.38 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1986.39 1988.65 That was really neat how I got emails and 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 1987.98 1990.17 We didn't we didn't use the whiteboard that much. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1988.89 1989.32 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1990.71 1991.87 No. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 1991.87 1996.52 Although I don't see how we could have very l at least for me I 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1990.73 1991.25 No. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1998.12 2004.81 If I'd gotten pictures of the different parts of the case, the different looks of the case, I would have probably drawn them up, but 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 1996.9 1998.12 I yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2004.97 2005.23 Mm. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2005.43 2009.22 'Cause we weren't like voting on anything and I think usually, like whiteboards are good,
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2009.22 2013.34 you know like crossing out ideas, or like if we had had like a brainstorming period. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2012.2 2019.84 Yeah, we could've put our brainstorming stuff up there rather than just talking about it, but with only four people it doesn't really make sense. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2019.84 2021.67 I think if you had a larger group 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2016.07 2016.4 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2016.23 2017.61 But I thought we were good orally. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2019.79 2021.22 Get crazy. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2020.23 2022.63 And with and with the PowerPoint that we can all look at 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2022.63 2026.92 like you can do all those things pretty much on PowerPoint as that's not as necessary to have. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2022.84 2022.97 Yeah. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 2025.09 2025.23 Yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2025.7 2030.01 And these might've made us more willing to like take notes than to 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2030.88 2034.9 like write up them here, 'cause we all needed them separately, kind of on the whiteboards in this room. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2031.08 2031.34 Mm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2034.21 2034.55 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2045.34 2048.06 but everyone needs their own, like specific notes, I guess. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2040.08 2045.34 We if we were all gonna stay in here all the time, then having the notes up on the whiteboard would've been alright,
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2036.42 2040.08 Because we're all gonna be working in different places. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2039.52 2039.8 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2042.52 2042.81 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2049.14 2055.38 Now when you were um creating your um prototypes here, did you work together or did you like do separate projects? 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 2065.81 2070.32 um and how we could like improve on the on the design. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 2055.94 2065.81 Uh we we worked together, um but we were making like we sort of made different shapes and then discussed how the how the buttons might work 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2057.88 2058.08 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2065.54 2065.87 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2065.94 2066.25 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2071.19 2075.66 So it was a bit of both really, we just kind of started out by each taking a colour of clay and 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2081.41 2084.19 mangoey shape, and then just went from there really. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2076.46 2081.41 just fooling around with it and I came up with that rhombus shape and he came up with the sort of potatoey,
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2079.29 2079.73 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2086.82 2086.96 Cool. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2087.48 2087.98 It was fun. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2094.84 2098.33 So well done with the management, I felt well managed. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2098.73 2099.82 Oh thanks. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 2099.96 2104.65 I think we did well in first of all giving our meetings the time, and second we actually 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2101.05 2101.41 It's kinda fun. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 2106.28 2109.84 we we did a good job of making firm decisions at the ends of the meetings. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2109.42 2109.65 Mm. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2110.37 2112.6 Sorry. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 2110.71 2112.6 And I 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2111.84 2113.69 That happened to me all the time though. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 2122.16 2127.73 But I think here we got we got clear and and decisive decisive points at the end of the meetings 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 2114.34 2122.16 I know what happens sometimes is that you tend to sort of have meetings and then people sorta drift away without anything actually really being decided. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 2127.73 2130.48 so that we we knew where to go on from there. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2121.92 2122.25 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2138.46 2140.33 but we were able to do it regardless, so. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2131.41 2138.46 Yeah, I was quite worried at the end of the last meeting that we weren't getting we didn't really have enough information to make firm decisions,
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2138.19 2138.64 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2143.19 2149.27 I'm not usually a very decisive person, so it helped to have people say this needs to be done in five minutes. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2147.38 2148.13 This is what we'll do. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 2147.53 2147.73 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2152.85 2156.03 I found that we did we could have used another five or ten minutes 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2156.84 2158.12 sometimes in the meetings. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 2156.85 2158.33 Yeah, for some of the meetings, yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2157.21 2159.28 Especially last time, yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2159.79 2165.79 Yeah I think the last time we had a lot of information, but at the same time not quite enough,
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2158.77 2159.79 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2165.79 2169.1 you know what I mean, like we we couldn't answer every single question. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2162.42 2163.44 Yeah, 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2165.71 2166.23 Yeah. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 2166.8 2166.96 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2167.19 2167.52 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2169.52 2169.67 Right. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2169.8 2171.62 Um but 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2173.33 2178.41 And I I felt the first two meetings, that I was coming in with no information, and not sort of 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2177.94 2178.21 Mm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2186.67 2188.96 I had so much information and so much to talk about. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2179.09 2186.67 made me really like, ooh I don't know, throwing together PowerPoint out of no no information and then last time it was like the opposite. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2196.06 2199.35 that more points came out from your presentation even. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2189.71 2196.06 It was interesting what came out like later, like as I was doing the when I was doing the breakdown on the agenda that they gave me um 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2192.19 2192.42 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2198.13 2198.23 Mm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2200.73 2200.94 Um. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2205.59 2212.69 I'm a little I am a little disappointed that we didn't do a um something for losing the remote, because that was kind of a big point. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2211.32 2211.56 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2212.76 2220.51 that was something like in order to talk about that we would've had to have actual knowledge about circuit boards and things like 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2218.55 2219.19 About yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2230.07 2231.44 There was no way for us to have 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2219.11 2222.52 Well the problem was, even when we just were creating from the Excel file,
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2222.52 2230.07 there wasn't like a option to select to somehow have it included, so there was no we could be like yeah, it has it included. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 2219.42 2219.62 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2225.98 2226.34 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2226.11 2226.46 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2228.71 2229.6 I think we were 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2229.8 2230.16 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2232.12 2233.38 Considered the re yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2232.21 2233.77 written down that it was really there. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2232.3 2232.51 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2237.63 2241.89 I think we really got into it, I mean I got into it as the day went on and I got really like,
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2241.89 2245.07 ooh I'm designing a remote control, I dunno if that's just me, but 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2233.75 2237.63 I think we were just getting overenthusiastic with the task. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2237.33 2238.75 Well it's interesting that they 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2246.48 2257.41 It was interesting though that they put that fifty percent of people say they have frustration with losing their remote and yet they didn't provide us with information to um we weren't provided with information to discuss that. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2244.46 2246.48 Mm-hmm, yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2253.73 2253.92 Yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2254.44 2254.77 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2264.89 2267.44 but I but I'm sure that would require some kind of technology that 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2259.13 2264.89 I know that like people people have like things they can put on their keys that you press it and it'll beep 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2264.5 2264.81 Yeah. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 2264.56 2264.82 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2268.53 2269.96 I just don't know what it is, but 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2269.36 2273.32 I think there are some of those like infomercial remotes that have things 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2274.32 2275.25 so you won't lose them. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2275.32 2275.61 Mm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2280.71 2285.23 there's only about two places that the remote is ever 'cause there's only one T. V. and 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2277.19 2280.71 I mean we were talking about it and like i in my household at least 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2276.5 2277.19 I dunno. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2283.09 2283.39 Hmm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2286.42 2287.94 there's only like three chairs. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2286.67 2289.96 That's like saying you're never gonna lose your keys, and I always do, anyway. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2291.06 2297.71 You'll lose 'em in your pocket, like you just will forget that or you like put it down somewhere that like made sense and then not remember 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2297.71 2299.66 there's always ways to lose things. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2292.53 2292.83 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2297.15 2297.48 Mm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2299.84 2299.98 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2300.69 2303.1 It d yeah, it depends on how organised you are personally, but 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2303.04 2305.66 Yeah, or like I guess what the setup of the house is too. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2305.67 2306.01 Mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2307.51 2308.22 But, I mean 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2309.38 2314.57 I am notorious for losing my keys, I just I guess I've just never lost the remote. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2319.15 2320.67 'Cause I was putting groceries away. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2314.57 2319.15 I put my keys in the refrigerator the other night and couldn't find them. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2321.92 2322.27 That's funny. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2323.8 2327.35 Oh. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2326.79 2331.71 You you're taking stuff from a bag and putting them in the refrigerator and then go back to my room. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2333 2335.34 Can't get in. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2333.76 2335.85 Can't get in, look all around the kitchen. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2337.19 2338.8 Definitely in the vegetable drawer. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2339.78 2340.15 That's funny. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2341 2341.26 So. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2341.48 2344.52 I always do that, leaving it in my coat, and then like using a different coat. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2344.84 2345.15 Mm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2345.69 2345.98 Yep. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2347.96 2350.51 But I guess it's 'cause we don't carry remotes around that much. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2350.84 2351.12 Yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2354.53 2356.04 Can't really take it into the other room. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2356.94 2357.15 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2360.69 2364.12 Maybe with our little robot one we could've had him have a robot,
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2364.12 2367.87 alien, pear, whatever he is, have a little voice like, I am located 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2368.98 2373.16 Oh a G. P. S. system, internal G. P. S. . 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2374.34 2374.89 Oh man. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2377.83 2378.31 Here you go. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2378.81 2384.56 We should make one that walks by itself. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2379.64 2381.35 Although if it's sitting still for too long. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2382.44 2384.73 Yes I 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2384.21 2385.84 That really could get up and walk away. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2386.15 2392.67 Or or like some crazy like electro-magnet, that you push it and it'll go zoom to the T. V. and stick there. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2388.82 2389.72 Or little 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2390.91 2394.19 Or just just a wheel, you know. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2395.23 2399.76 Just if you like you'd have a remote for your remote, that'll. 
ES2008d H02 MEE031 2400.09 2401.05 Yeah. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2401.12 2405.09 Well, but if you could attach them to the T. V., then you can. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2401.4 2402.48 zoom 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2403.52 2403.79 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2405.69 2406.04 Hmm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2406.71 2408.04 All kinds of possibilities. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2406.77 2407.46 Mm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2416.87 2417.07 Okay. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2433.75 2434.92 'Cause that seems a little more useful. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2429.01 2433.75 Just gonna make I'm making full minutes, so that it'll include all of the agenda and all that. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2419.91 2423.29 Sorry, I'm just um trying to update my minutes. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2423.29 2429.01 I decided to you know how I sent you the email saying that PowerPoint minutes will be complimentary, rather than like repeating them. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2427.48 2427.82 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2431.23 2431.46 Oh. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2433.36 2433.69 Wow. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2436.85 2440.44 'Cause you've had like the most typing and organising to do. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2441.96 2444.96 But I didn't have like information to sloth through either, so 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2444.16 2445.5 Yeah, I guess 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2447.06 2450.01 How much of your PowerPoint was already done for you, every meeting. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2451.9 2456.19 I added slides, um I added a couple slides each time, but that was about it. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2450.13 2451.9 Most of it, mm-hmm. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2454.02 2454.16 Oh. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2456.27 2456.5 Okay. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2459.44 2465.13 'cause I would just get slides with titles on them and fill them all in w didn't even think about adding more. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2457.86 2459.44 Yeah, I didn't even think about adding slides 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2461.96 2462.19 Mm. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2473.9 2478.62 I know personally when I do PowerPoint, that's what I do and so I had it once,
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2465.71 2470.92 Well, the thing was they would provide y an agenda with s like several points, but it wouldn't have a slide for each point. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2478.62 2482.25 even if it was just like the title of it, like the three presentations, and I would do your three. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2470.92 2473.9 And that's the only way I remember that I need to go other that point. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2470.61 2471.62 Ah yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2481.91 2482.08 Right. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2497.42 2500.36 You have you have to have the slogan on it or can it just be like 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2502.88 2504.01 No no no. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2501.96 2502.88 The slogan on it? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2502.1 2504.13 No, no, definitely not. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2503.48 2504.23 Okay good. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2505.37 2505.66 We 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2505.44 2508.78 'Cause I was like, it could go around the outside. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2507.04 2513.53 No, I don't think we need to I think the R. and R., especially if the yellow and black one. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2509.54 2511.92 I think we just need the um the R. R., yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2515.41 2516.81 Is it yellow and blue? 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2518.33 2519.37 Lemme go to the web page. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2517.3 2518.33 Or yellow and blue. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2519.59 2526.82 Yeah, I was just kinda going by the web page, 'cause they didn't give me any clear, like yellow, grey, or. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2526.56 2528.77 Grey is better than black, doesn't look so bumblebeeish. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2524.48 2526.56 Oh I guess it is black, grey. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2532.44 2535.27 I don't really like yellow in general. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2534.71 2537.48 Hey now I understand the random like newsclippings. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2535.46 2535.82 But it 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2539 2542.13 Finish meeting now. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2541.84 2548.79 Wasn't it interesting that um I thought it was interesting that our market marketing um expert did not agree with the marketing um 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2549.02 2552.35 Yes. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2549.96 2554.51 the marketing choices, you know, like that was a bit of a conflict. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2552.71 2561.21 I will I just feel like if you're really doing like a a really big market evaluation, you wouldn't just have like one set of source,
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2561.21 2567.33 it's kind of an they were so not backed up, it would just be a sentence like we did a survey, this is what people said. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2568.34 2568.71 Yeah. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2568.44 2569.81 S mm, I dunno. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2570.96 2571.64 People are stupid. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2576.13 2578.19 Yellow and grey, but then the slogan's in blue. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2572.62 2576.13 I guess it i it sort of a grey, isn't it? 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2579.89 2582.46 Well we got some grey and we got some blue buttons, we're good. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2582.92 2583.79 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2583.79 2585.55 Well we don't have the right colour clay anyway. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2587.91 2590.62 That could always be. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2585.89 2587.91 Maybe, like I don't know. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2591 2595.15 Well we're not, sadly, going to actually be producing this, so. 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2594.3 2595.25 Oh. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2595.35 2598.25 If they ever come out with potato 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2598.23 2600.81 Potato mango shaped remotes. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2601.11 2602.71 I'm gonna have to 
ES2008d H00 FEE029 2601.75 2603.48 I'm claiming it intellectual property. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2603.81 2604.37 Yeah. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2613.66 2615.05 I don't feel like it's been that long. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2611.83 2613.66 I can't believe a whole day is gone. 
ES2008d H03 FEE032 2613.48 2613.9 I know. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2616.14 2616.96 Get sucked in. 
ES2008d H01 FEE030 2620.31 2622.63 Mm I haven't gotten questionnaire eight yet. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 8.36 8.9 Okay. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 2.27 8.36 Are you sure I got it all head's kinda small. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 8.27 11.69 How're we placed in terms of the alright. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 11.17 12.4 We're okay? 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 14.57 17.28 Guess I should probably try to sit up straight. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 20.32 21.05 Okay, cool. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 19.57 20.32 Like that? 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 22.16 22.45 We're good? 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 24.52 26.16 Oh, I think mine's fallen off. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 25.92 26.6 It fell 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 27.54 27.9 That's why. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 35.72 39.94 I guess it's gonna be hard to drink coffee. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 39.94 41.1 Mm. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 41.1 42.33 Uh okay. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 42.65 42.71 Ah. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 43.71 43.99 Okay? 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 51.98 54.31 Yeah, PowerPoint. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 46.29 51.98 Right, so I'm just gonna start this PowerPoint real quick. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 54.31 58.42 Yeah, well, you know,. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 51.62 51.89 Wow. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 53.47 54.13 Very official. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 73.38 73.76 Right. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 69.08 73.38 Yeah I kinda like this I'm kinda getting into it. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 73.76 75.2 Um. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 75.2 83.41 So just to kick off the meeting basically um so we're working now for a real reaction, this is uh so it right. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 84.7 89.18 Just got an agenda to set out what we're gonna try to accomplish in this particular first meeting. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 89.18 90.32 Um 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 91.36 98 We're gonna just do a quick opening and we can hopefully all get acquainted with one another um then we're gonna start talk a little bit about tool training. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 110.82 118.8 Um I guess you know game or something um in real life um so yeah basically 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 98.16 103.27 Essentially that means getting used to the only thing that we haven't tried out yet, the whiteboard. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 103.27 110.82 Um we've got a general plan for the project how we're gonna go about accomplishing this and then just a bit of discussion close up. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 134.6 140.31 Um so um if you say something about marketing, right, sorted, um y is 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 122.99 134.6 I'm thinking about um uh proposing that since we've got this weird blend of ourselves and our roles that we just don't ask, don't tell. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 119.92 122.99 I want to I'm just gonna you got of course you can discuss that,
ES2009a H03 FEE036 138.62 142.01 You're just gonna believe me, we'll go from there. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 142.01 142.4 Fair enough. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 141.33 142.3 Exactly. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 142.3 151.15 Um I mean obvi if if you guys if if at the same time if you like logically if something doesn't like if I'm like we're gonna sell a remote control that's the size of this paper book you know 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 156.27 157.72 I mean we'll discuss it but 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 151.43 156.27 um you say like well that doesn't seem like such a good idea because of X. obviously go with it. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 157.96 163.5 I'm not gonna ask do you know that or uh yeah it seems like yeah yeah exactly so 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 163.5 168.43 'cause we're what we're sort of role playing is y g yeah you're gonna tap into your own knowledge as well um. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 160.91 162.77 Prove it yeah, okay. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 168.64 173.96 And that's the same for your when we do introductions I mean um and you talk about your background you know have fun 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 173.96 175.64 you know maybe you went to um 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 175.77 181.49 uh you know maybe i you're like in Maine you went to U. C. S. B. but you wanna say you went to Harvard or something like that,
ES2009a H00 MEE033 185.31 188.17 So are you guys okay with that does that seem logical? 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 181.49 185.31 why not, you know you can this is you know I guess we can have a little bit of fun with it. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 188.67 189.61 Oh yeah, that's fine. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 189.96 190.19 Sure. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 190.16 190.65 Works for me. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 190.88 191.43 Sweet. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 194.24 214.98 So I guess that that we're totally we're making a remote control which is thrilling um uh but the idea is that we can make something based on the whole corporate model I dunno if you guys had time to check the in real life I dunno if you guys uh checked the um uh the corporate website. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 193.67 194.24 Cool. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 199.21 199.45 Right. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 215.19 220.03 Um we've got to make something as fashionable as possible 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 220.03 230.36 that's kind of the corporate strategy is we're gonna try to take ordinary stuff that nobody really thinks about and try to make it nice you know like John Lewis nice or you know if you go to Debenham's or something. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 231.44 240.81 So um basically we are reinventing the wheel but we wanna try to do it in a user friendly um slick sleek kind of way. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 240.81 246.81 Um way we're gonna go about doing that is basically at first we're gonna start on the basics. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 255.25 262.74 the the I. D. and the U. I. D. right um the Industrial Designer hey right on alright, getting into it um 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 247.01 255.25 And that's where I'm gonna need you guys the User Interface Designers and the um um the other designer that I can't remember,
ES2009a H02 MEE035 260.39 260.54 Mm. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 260.86 261.36 There you go. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 263.3 273.58 to guide me and guide us on this project 'cause you're gonna be you're g you guys are the bottom you know you're like no you can't do that you can't have you know X. and Y. um at the same time. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 274.14 280.45 And then um we'll work up from what is necessary to more like what would be good 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 295.67 296.54 or something like that. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 286.7 295.67 yes a coffee pot needs to be able to hold coffee but it's also better if it's not like really cheap glass so that it if you touch it you hurt your hand 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 280.45 286.7 you know like um I I think you guys probably got the same emails I did but the idea of um 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 296.83 315.23 Um and so we'll work up from there and um then we'll meet on and talk about it and then finally we'll incorporate as kind of the last stage you know where you guys build or tell me tell us what's possible and then you tell us what we can um hope for and what way to go take the the the 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 315.32 325.93 take the basics and make it nicer and then ov obviously uh the U. I. D. and the I. D. you know you you can keep on the you know sort of at the cutting edge of how to get about maximising what is possible 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 326.3 329.23 um to try t of sync it all up. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 330.34 332.24 So it's a three stage kind of thing. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 329.23 330.34 So that's the detailed design. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 332.24 336.45 Um right so for now just for th the white board um 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 337.57 345.39 basically uh just to get used to it, I haven't tried it yet either um I'm just gonna start and um mm carry like five remotes around 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 362.79 365.31 Oh, we skipped introductions. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 358.54 362.79 not all five, if you wanna write all five go for it but name one of them that you could um. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 346.13 358.54 um and just write down I'm just gonna write down one of the names of my um desert discs you know if you if you were trapped on a desert island and you could only bring five C. D. s along with you name one of them that you could,
ES2009a H00 MEE033 365.31 365.87 Nice. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 368.57 369.32 Um. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 369.32 375.83 I'm Marty, um I went to uni at uh U. C. Santa Barbara and I'm here working on a P. H. D. in psychology. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 375.83 377.74 Um yeah. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 377.74 378.61 So 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 366.92 368.57 I'm a excellent Project Manager. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 389.83 390.65 Fine. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 388.8 389.83 Expert. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 386.44 388.8 Marketing, yeah Expert. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 390.65 391.13 That's me. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 379.14 386.44 I'm Sarah, I went to Michigan, and I'm here doing cultural studies and I'm the Marketing Manager or something. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 387.07 389.58 Expert Don't play yourself down. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 389.99 391.16 Expert 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 392.08 392.86 I'm Ron. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 392.86 400.75 I uh once upon a time studied in Victoria and I am the User Interface Designer. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 401.79 406.62 I'm Nathan, I'm from California, and I'm here doing a Masters degree in social anthropology. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 409.69 412.03 My little brother goes there. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 406.74 408.79 Where did you go to uni Nathan? 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 415.83 416.35 Yeah. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 408.79 409.51 Oh brilliant. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 409.51 409.69 Cool. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 412.03 415.83 Right so desert island discs. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 409.43 409.63 Yeah. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 407.43 409.43 U. C. L. A. . 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 410.71 411.17 Okay. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 413.1 413.57 So. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 416.84 419.47 So do we have to wait for you to write it down or are you gonna tell us? 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 419.47 420.29 I'm waiting to know. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 422.37 427.3 See I'm a big music fan I don't know if you guys are, I'm assuming everybody likes music to some lesser or greater extent but 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 419.26 422.37 Well I'll t i no no yeah I'm just gonna write a couple of 'em down. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 423.81 424.73 Uh 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 427.38 427.77 Fair enough. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 433.29 434.64 it's rubbish but I love it. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 427.49 433.29 there's some other options, if you're a T. V. slut like I am like Smallville terrible television show but I happen to love it 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 434.29 436.77 I went to high school with Tom Willing actually. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 431.78 434.29 Oh, Smallville. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 438.72 439.26 Wow. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 436.97 438.72 T the the main c the main character? 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 439.22 439.79 Yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 438.17 439.22 The guy. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 440.56 441.33 Is he a wanker? 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 442.9 443.99 Very much so. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 441.4 442.9 Yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 443.99 446.85 Hell of a soccer player but a total bastard nonetheless. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 451.08 454.75 Um okay so I really like Jeff Buckley. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 467.81 468.07 It's a r 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 456.83 460.77 Um that's cool 'cause like not very many people have. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 446.32 449.83 He looks really tall, like he's gotta be like six six. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 460.77 467.81 Um and um oh well I might as well throw a British person in there um you can't go wrong with Radiohead. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 454.75 456.83 You guys heard of Jeff Buckley? 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 449.83 451.08 Yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 450.34 450.56 Yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 448.62 450.34 He is a big guy. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 447.74 448.62 Yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 455.87 456.12 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 456.25 456.65 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 468.46 468.97 Good call. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 484.26 489.4 Alright so um whoever wants to get up next, you can write down some telly that you watch or whatever you want. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 479.94 482.21 Yeah, you're like press and it's. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 483.51 484.26 You'll see. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 477.98 478.55 It's kinda weird. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 482.21 483.51 Kinda cool. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 478.55 479.94 Anyway yeah. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 473.23 477.98 Okay so it really works just like a pen only makes noises I think. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 478.62 479.28 Interesting. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 491.77 494.97 Don't wanna lose all my mikes, plugged in here. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 496.27 499.97 This is basically just pen practice huh? 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 494.97 496.27 Okay. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 499.97 500.95 Okay. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 491.4 491.77 Okay. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 489.32 491.4 I guess I'll go next then. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 500.95 503.23 Oh you're much taller than me so I'm gonna write down here. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 490.49 491.47 Go for it. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 490.71 491.97 Right on. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 499.92 500.1 W 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 505.11 505.51 Um. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 507.73 518.33 Right now I'm listening to a lot of somebody nobody's ever heard of, Chris Bathgate, local Michigan folk singer, really lame and uh 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 513.92 514.29 Mm. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 515.88 516.25 Nice. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 516.1 516.51 Wow. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 519.24 520.4 uh what else did I bring with me? 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 521.66 525.15 Probably classical, to totally geek it out, yeah I think. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 523.57 524.54 Okay yeah yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 531.85 533.63 So yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 528.36 531.85 And my family guy D. V. D. s but we don't need to write that one down. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 532.86 534.58 Isn't h has h do you watch the new season? 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 529.98 531.5 Well yeah. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 531.5 532.86 Oh, family guy. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 534.92 536.13 No. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 536.13 539.05 Are you getting it online, or is it on sky? 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 539.05 540.49 Yeah, that'd be nice. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 537.45 539.53 I think I'm gonna start downloading it yeah. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 543.83 548.71 Think I'm just gonna put down one uh one C. D. . 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 541.53 543.83 Alright. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 568.55 569.44 Yeah. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 572.63 578.02 Um and I'm hoping to go to the concert in Belgium, in Brussels in April first. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 578.26 580.03 It's supposed to be in Brussels anyways. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 580.03 583.77 Um thing I love about Edinburgh 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 564.53 565.09 No? 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 565.09 565.73 no? 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 565.73 568.55 Afro beat orchestra, very cool. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 569.44 572.63 Fift S they like fifteen members from Brooklyn. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 563.74 564.53 Anybody? 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 578.02 578.26 Yeah. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 564.36 564.84 Mm-mm. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 564.41 564.95 No. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 564.99 565.61 'Fraid not. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 568.9 569.66 Very cool. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 567.45 568.9 Afro beat orchestra? 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 569.66 569.85 Mm. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 569.11 569.53 Mm. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 569.55 570.33 Sounds nice. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 576.55 577.11 Wow. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 576.7 577.6 Exciting. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 578.79 579.29 That'd be. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 584.02 584.41 Oh. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 584.41 585.34 I didn't even read those. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 586.34 588.13 I shouldn't admit that. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 585.91 586.34 Oops. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 590.71 591.91 I it's th brilliant. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 588.52 590.71 It's they're designed specifically to ignore. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 586.84 588.52 That's what a PowerPoint presentation is for. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 588.08 589.04 Oh, wow. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 590.79 591.75 Yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 591.75 593.82 It's the five by five, I can't read that much. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 597.45 597.86 Vomit. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 597.86 599 Yes. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 599 599.94 Street pizza. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 594.57 597.45 Ah yes yes yes okay I see that. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 599.94 601.04 It's so brilliant. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 597.54 602.75 Yeah oh it's so horrible. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 598.98 603.64 Love um 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 602.7 606.5 I've seen more urine in this city than ever before, I mean 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 604.98 606.07 Oh my God. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 606.07 606.88 Seriously? 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 613.87 614.44 Um. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 605.5 613.87 I just came from Glasgow and I'm um happy to say that there's the there's the same quantity approximately. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 614.44 614.63 I w 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 610.37 611.28 There's more vomit there. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 614.4 615.71 It's so minging. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 616.2 618.35 It really is 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 616.95 617.66 Uh. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 621.25 624.9 Ready? 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 618.87 621.25 Does uh yeah. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 624.9 625.45 Minging? 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 625.45 625.89 Nice. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 621.95 622.12 Yep. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 621.64 621.95 Alright. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 627.29 628.25 Slide it in there. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 628.25 628.59 Yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 626.28 627.29 Yeah. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 628.25 628.83 Going local. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 628.83 631.79 I have to be here for three years so I might as well get the terminology right. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 626.97 628.25 I'm going local. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 630.26 630.83 Yeah fair enough. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 632.04 633.89 I've already got more than I can keep track of. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 633.89 639.02 And I'm gonna go home next week and everyone's gonna be like oh my God you're turning into one of those people, no. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 636.9 638.87 Oh, have you been home yet? 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 638.87 645.1 They'll be like, say something British, and you're like oh shut up family. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 640.88 642.12 I know. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 642.12 643.47 I know. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 643.47 645.52 Oh it should be interesting. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 645.52 647.01 Wait until I tell them I'm not coming back. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 642.28 642.46 Uh-huh. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 643.25 644.25 Um 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 645.86 646.79 Let's see. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 647.79 650.91 Right you s you're gonna stay here? 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 648.19 649.19 They're gonna love that one. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 651.08 652.03 Probably. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 652.03 654.28 Or at least get a work visa for a while and then decide. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 652.07 653.05 Wow. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 654.44 655.14 Nice. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 654.84 657.12 'Cause nice. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 654.96 655.7 Bad religion? 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 655.88 658.04 Yeah, that's the music I grew up listening to. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 658.12 658.88 Of course. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 658.23 659.03 Yeah yeah, yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 659.99 662.03 Oh, now I can think of so many other ones. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 660.13 661.82 And so there 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 662.2 664.08 Well yeah that's why yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 663.08 663.9 That's how it works. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 664.1 665.94 Something I miss about my hometown. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 668.44 670.52 I miss coffee. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 670.52 671.38 Burritos. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 669.57 670.4 Burritos 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 669.78 671.55 Mm. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 671.55 672.33 Oh 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 670.47 670.97 Nice. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 671.67 675.86 that cost less than eight Pounds. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 673.01 675.64 Any thing that are like free. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 673.09 674.39 Oh yeah two two bucks. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 675.75 677.16 Where are you from in California by the way? 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 677.08 683.26 I grew up in San Diego, but yeah um La Jolla, P. B. . 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 678.57 679.03 What part? 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 678.24 678.57 Did you really? 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 681.47 682.41 Yeah I'm from San Diego as well. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 683.89 684.39 Nice. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 684.05 685.25 Yeah oh man. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 684.42 690.5 But really uh I last lived in San Francisco, I haven't lived in Cali well I haven't lived in southern California since I was eighteen. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 690.52 696.24 Going to s like North Carol I'm sorry you you just can't get a better burrito than what's available in the s in San Diego. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 696.91 697.72 It's different. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 697.72 702.55 'Cause in San Diego th the tortillas are cooked on the grill and in northern California they steam them. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 703.81 707.36 It must make all the difference. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 705.01 705.93 Yeah, it really does. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 705.94 713.4 Well it's it's i there's other things too there's you just can't place it like I when I went to school in the U. in Santa Barbara which is central California 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 709.31 709.64 Ah. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 713.81 718.68 the Mexican food is okay, it's just not good like and yeah it's like two bucks 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 718.68 722.84 like literally two bucks for this massive I miss yeah good call on that. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 717.08 717.83 Mm. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 720.66 721.05 Right. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 722.89 723.77 Yeah. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 723.77 724.7 Where you from in San Diego? 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 724.19 724.64 Mm. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 730.12 732.12 So North Park actually if you want to get real specific. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 725.06 730.12 Um just literally just metropolitan San Diego, I live like five minutes from the zoo. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 729.64 729.96 Okay. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 731.6 734.46 Yeah, my grandparents lived on um thirty second. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 734.62 734.78 Yep. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 736.72 739.63 Close t uh do you know where Clare de Lune coffee shop is, and 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 739 739.58 Yes. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 741.81 745.54 Yeah it's actually like literally half a mile from my house. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 739.58 741.81 On university, yeah. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 745.54 746.18 Yeah, pretty cool. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 746.18 748.6 Small world as we were discussing before. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 740.51 741.66 Cafe Forte 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 744.89 745.23 Cool. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 747.05 747.39 Yeah. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 753.1 755.83 Right so okay, success on the whiteboard. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 755.83 761.95 You can harness the awesome power a little bit introductions we talked about some of our C. D. s and things we like about the city you know, I think we'll 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 748.97 753.1 Especially when we're all from the same general region. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 755.62 756.19 There you go. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 756.75 757.25 Wow. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 771.23 772.03 Um. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 767.41 771.23 Um basically what we're trying to do is sell this remote for twenty five Euros. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 762.74 767.41 Um right so moving on to not fun stuff uh project finance. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 773.08 777.5 This is what the finance department has told me, the C. F. O. but I don't know,
ES2009a H00 MEE033 777.5 782.21 I'm not sold on this, it's pretty dear, I mean twenty f that's like you know 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 786.19 792.21 Um so what we can maybe work on that a later but we're gonna make a lot on it, the profit aims to make fifty million Euros on it. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 782.33 783.48 forty bucks for a remote. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 783.48 786.19 It would have to pretty much like do my laundry for me. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 785.98 786.33 Mm. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 793.84 804.45 So um one of the things I I was gonna mention to you um you guys the designers is that um it m we probably need a rever it needs to be a universal remote control probably. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 792.37 793.84 Eur internationally. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 804.59 804.87 Okay. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 804.97 817.96 Um so something that could do N. T. S. C. as well as PAL as well as various other formats like if it's gonna control D. V. D. s but um you know I'll leave that to you guys but that's something that i i it is gonna be an international sold thing. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 807.76 808.49 Makes sense. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 812.12 812.4 Uh. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 821.54 824.42 So we wanna try to make a hundred percent profit on it if we can. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 818.3 821.54 Um but we wanna try to make it for twelve fifty. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 832.28 832.87 Um. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 825.32 832.28 Um s right so um just to close up, I'm not sure how much time I've used mm next time right Project Manager, sorted. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 841.61 843.47 like what the basic function of it. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 833.08 841.61 Is uh we'll meet in another half an hour or so um and I'd like the um Industrial Designer to get ge think about what needs to be done 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 843.89 853.81 Um U. I. D. well yeah you right g your assignments are up there and you'll also get s assignments from in your email as well more spec specifics on what do do. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 868.05 870.2 you know like uh so 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 860.82 868.05 So actually in a way you guys c maybe in our next meeting chat a bit about what the user's gonna want and what the user can have 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 854.29 860.82 Um mm basic and um so I need you to tell us what um we what the user's gonna want. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 860.14 861.03 What they're looking for. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 869 871.03 And negotiate that. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 871.03 871.19 Uh. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 870.35 878.14 yeah well it is and we'll discuss the trade-offs in between um so yeah specific instructions will be sent in your email. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 878.14 883.53 But I think that that is more or less a good place to start for now um 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 887.71 890.1 Um any questions, before we get started? 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 883.62 887.71 and as more things come up we'll have meetings and you'll get emails and so forth. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 892.76 900.8 I assume that we're building a stand alone uh remote control, we can't kind of build it into other uh products. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 901.17 902.78 You mean to like 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 902.72 906.01 For instance like a mobile phone or something like that. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 905.63 907.37 Mm. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 907.37 908.41 Sounds interesting. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 906.68 907.24 Hmm. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 909.06 910.53 Yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 911.04 912.77 I don't think there's any rules about it yet. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 912.77 913.45 So 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 912.79 917.43 Maybe our personal coach will have something to say about that. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 914.93 915.09 Yeah. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 915.52 921.77 Or or you know can we produ can we sell a remote control phone for twenty five pounds or less? 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 937.31 940.46 No I mean no, good idea, good idea. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 940.46 941.12 We'll see what see what 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 936.76 937.31 The clapper. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 922.05 923.28 Well, have a think about it. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 923.28 928.76 I mean I'm I'm certainly op it seems like yeah it it seems like it's certainly do-able isn't it. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 928.76 936.76 I mean um or if we can't have a full mobile phone maybe a remote that has some other kind of useful function. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 922.13 923.02 Mm. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 924.2 924.53 Okay. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 923.41 924.2 Yep. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 926.51 927.27 W yeah. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 934.72 934.93 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 934.91 935.33 Yeah. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 946.32 947 Yeah. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 940.8 946.32 Maybe a remote with changeable faces, like the faces that you can buy for phones. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 944.43 947.63 Nice. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 947.63 949.52 Hot. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 945.3 947.18 I like the little cover thingies. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 945.91 948.62 Uh-huh y I like that 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 951.01 957.02 That's true, I guess we we probably have some time, maybe we should brainstorm a bit like what we wanna do, go back to um 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 949.78 951.01 Yeah. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 959.74 961.05 Let me bring up something about 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 959 959.74 I don't really have any. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 967.06 968.95 Uh project announcement. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 962.48 967.06 our basic goals here, what we want to accomplish. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 970.72 971.87 Ts ts ts 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 982.25 983.24 Yeah. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 983.24 984.22 Not so much. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 985.52 985.7 Hmm. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 986.39 987.81 All right we'll find them, we're on our own. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 988.44 991.68 Now are we also discussing kind of our initial ideas at all here? 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 991.38 993.38 Yeah yeah let's do it, let's do. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 993.84 996.18 S does anybody have any initial ideas? 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 996.52 998.4 I'm gonna go ahead and take notes on this too 'cause 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1002.56 1004.2 Start your minutes. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1001.24 1002.56 Good idea. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1004.2 1005.03 Um 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1003.56 1006.4 Yeah I mean oh yeah right. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1006.4 1008.4 So initial ideas. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1010.31 1017.02 Well it's pretty much given it's gonna be universal right, we decided that already and it may be functioning for other things, 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1012.92 1013.17 Yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1019.52 1023.56 like your microwave or your front door or like to have everything on one thing,
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1017.08 1019.52 as soon as you said that I was thinking like all the other things you could get a remote to do 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1023.56 1028.28 but then, I've never been a fan of those huge remotes that have like a million buttons, you can't tell what they do. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1021.46 1021.83 Yeah. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1029.06 1029.99 Simple. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1027.25 1029.06 S smaller's better. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1027.52 1027.9 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1029.11 1029.58 Yeah. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1029.17 1042.59 But I'm thinking I'm thinking kind of P. D. A. uh design so touch screen design rather than button so that you can kind of flip around all sorts of different things. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1030.48 1031.3 Specific. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1037.68 1038.17 Okay. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1039.26 1039.89 That'd be different. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1038.67 1039.26 Oh right. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1039.66 1040.42 Interesting. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1044.01 1048.95 I mean like stylist yeah like a just a yeah. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1059.54 1061.08 Um and we also 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1048.95 1051.83 Right so we got five minutes more to chat about this, perfect. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1051.83 1059.54 Um so we've got this kind of an idea of a trade-off between um uh size and functionality. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1041.72 1044.01 Yeah that's slick isn't it. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1047.03 1047.58 True. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1055.83 1055.91 Mm. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1059.56 1059.91 Right. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1059.91 1066.08 We want it to be munt multifunctional but at the same time if you get it to do too much you're not gonna be able to tell them apart 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1058.43 1059.56 Mm. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1066.08 1067.79 that whole yeah. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1065.98 1069.69 It's gonna be too complicated, too crowded with buttons and things. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1064.49 1065.98 Yeah. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1065.23 1065.96 Too confusing. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1071.2 1079.23 I'm also gonna note for future reference this idea of um so you like maybe like an L. like a touch screen type of remote? 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1071.76 1072.24 Hmm. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1079.33 1080.58 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1080.58 1081.15 Possibly. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1080.02 1080.33 Mm. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1082.66 1083.32 Be a good idea. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1081.24 1082.66 I don't think one exists. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1081.73 1082.74 An interesting option. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1082.74 1086.84 Needs it needs one outstanding feature to set it apart from all the other remotes. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1084.15 1084.5 Yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1086 1086.61 Definitely. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1086.95 1089.27 Yeah all the other universal remotes. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1089.27 1091.58 Um I don't know if there's such a thing out there 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1102.16 1103.82 N. T. S. C., region one 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1091.58 1102.16 I guess we could do some uh do some research on or one of us could do some research on it about whether or not there are um multi-format like um you know PAL,
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1104.08 1104.41 Right. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1107.27 1124.33 I mean I I have a friend who has a P. D. A. that he just points at his telev any television he wants and it'll figure out the the specifications of it and will control it um so I th I assume that that can be done with uh kind of around the world. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1105.24 1107.27 I'm pretty sure there is. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1107.58 1107.83 Okay. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1109.7 1109.97 Okay. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1111.53 1111.77 That 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1114.65 1114.94 Yeah. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1120.69 1121.15 Okay. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1119.37 1120.69 Interesting. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1120.07 1120.44 Awesome. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1123.42 1123.76 Yeah. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1124.32 1124.58 Okay. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1123.43 1124.32 Okay. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1132.39 1132.83 Um. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1126.24 1127.02 Um all right. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1127.02 1128.08 So. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1128.08 1132.39 I li I'm liking that idea, this idea of a touch screen remote with multi-format features. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1132.33 1132.84 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1133.11 1133.58 Right. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1134.41 1134.89 Um. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1136.03 1137.85 Let's see. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1141.34 1146.73 because so many of those remotes that you see, these universal remotes look so cheap and low quality. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1138.02 1141.34 I think, making it out of a nice material would be very important,
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1143.98 1144.32 Yeah. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1145.68 1146.05 Mm. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1149.38 1149.76 And 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1146.38 1149.38 Keeping it nice and slick, would be important. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1146.2 1146.38 Yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1154.21 1159.47 that adding this whole like P. D. A. pen business is only one more thing to lose, so we're gonna have to be careful with what like 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1150.8 1154.21 I don't know, like, there's such a problem with losing them,
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1156.41 1157.08 Mm. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1158.78 1159.17 Oh. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1161.11 1166.1 Just something like keep in mind when we start actually dealing with this stuff but that would be really cool. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1166.92 1169.06 Uh let's see. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1169.06 1169.89 Um. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1169.92 1173.84 I like the idea of the uh multi plate. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1173.84 1175.27 In in 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1173.14 1173.97 Yeah yeah okay. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1177.82 1178.56 Are they? 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1176.54 1177.82 Isn't there a name for them? 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1178.56 1179.13 I dunno. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1173.76 1176.54 Fi b like what are they called, those face plate things? 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1173.19 1173.76 Yeah. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1176.58 1178.16 Think they're just called face plates? 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1178.16 1178.57 I don't know. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1178.12 1181.2 something, uh we'll have to come up with a name, patent it. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1180.71 1185.24 We should c we should come up with a fuzzy one as well. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1179.3 1180.71 I like. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1185.24 1187.83 For those cold winter days. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1180.82 1181.55 Yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1181.55 1182.33 Something really cool. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1183.55 1188.93 Leopard print or something. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1185.93 1187.86 Leopard print. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1189.65 1190.53 Um. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1196.94 1197.29 Hmm. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1197.78 1201.55 I think, it wouldn't be such a bad idea to have a like a locator device 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1201.55 1204.48 maybe a simple button that you have on your television to help you find your remote. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1204.36 1204.76 True. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1205.95 1209.82 But if we're bundling it unless we're selling their telly with the remote. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1205.69 1205.95 Mm. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1209.85 1210.27 Right. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1210.58 1210.9 Mm. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1211.03 1214.41 Um 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1220.38 1229.42 If you're not doing that then we can have something that just kind of rings from either well there used to be those whistling devices but that's a little bit annoying. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1217.03 1220.38 Well if we bundle it as a phone then you can always call it. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1220.28 1220.61 True. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1220.94 1221.35 True. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1228.57 1229.01 Right. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1239.95 1246.56 Kinda like how on a lot of um uh cordless regular phones, you have a page button and it goes, could we do something like that? 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1229.76 1239.95 Cou could we not do something where like just a little lit like literally just a very small kind of thing that comes with the remote that you could place something else that you press and it makes the remote page. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1239.99 1240.43 Th 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1240.31 1240.78 Right. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1242.97 1243.24 Yeah. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1243.57 1243.83 Yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1245.08 1245.51 Right. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1246.24 1248.54 I think so. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1246.34 1246.81 That's cool. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1247.04 1247.49 Probably. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1248.86 1254.36 I think we could design into that. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1249.85 1250.61 Yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1250.52 1251.58 Good. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1253.41 1267.33 Um yeah I think this material quality as well like I guess what we can think about what kind of um uh you know Apple 's been really successful with this surgical white kind of business or this sleek kind of you know 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1263.83 1264.07 Mm. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1265.86 1266.72 Yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1266.72 1271.18 And that titanium the new silver sleek ones that's last couple of years, very much so. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1266.82 1267.09 Mm. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1270.26 1270.66 Yeah. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1271.24 1272.27 Curves. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1272.39 1272.73 Mm. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1272.94 1279.72 We do have the minimum am amount I mean we were talking finances I dunno, selling a a forty Pound remote would h or a forty Dollar remote 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1279.72 1288.47 twenty five Euro remote would be pretty you know it's pretty expensive so maybe we might wanna trade off some of the features for a lower price. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1272.71 1272.94 Yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1282.23 1282.52 Right. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1288.82 1296.51 Without without getting into that whole like you know go down to bargain store remote you know bargain store universal remote that's black and you know m massive 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1296.51 1298.91 some kind of I dunno a balance there in somewhere. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1293.64 1294.14 Right. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1294.66 1295.08 Yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1297.06 1297.16 Mm. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1299.34 1299.89 Definitely. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1300 1306.36 But um have a think about what we can do, have a think about what we want to do, how we're gonna sell it and um 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1304.45 1304.82 Yeah. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1315.86 1318.7 and who we're gonna be able to get it out of. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1311.91 1315.86 no it's they're used to the buttons so we'll have to be careful of exactly who we're marketing this to 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1305.9 1311.91 Or if you our users in mind, like these grandmas are not gonna be into this whole new let's design 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1315.35 1315.87 Yeah. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1315.94 1316.39 Mm. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1319.35 1320.16 'S true. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1323.59 1324.18 But 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1325.54 1327.55 We're talking twenty five Pounds or twenty five Euros? 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1327.57 1328.26 Twenty five Euros. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1327.77 1328.48 Euros. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1336.69 1337.85 Slight difference I guess. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1338.77 1340.44 Yeah. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1340.44 1342.75 They're all weaker than they're all stronger than the Dollar. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1343.06 1343.32 Mm. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1347.97 1350.37 Like um do you guys know Fry's? 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1350.37 1352.27 Huge computer uh electronics store? 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1343.23 1347.97 Although, computer parts, all if you're gonna upgrade your computer, buy it in the States. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1350.53 1350.83 No. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1350.7 1351.05 Mm-mm. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1352.57 1361.59 They serve um right they sa tha s they will sell things overseas so you can buy stuff in America and have it shipped over for like twenty thirty Pounds about. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1357.57 1357.9 Mm. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1362.15 1374.6 Right so um let's go ahead and wrap that up here for now, I'm gonna put these initial ideas that we've got in the um project documents 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1383.78 1385.44 you can consult them at your leisure. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1374.6 1383.78 so if you guys wa need a reminder about what we've talked about um the different you know kind of trade-offs that we've got and the other ideas 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1380.02 1380.34 Okay. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1380.44 1380.92 Okay. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1387.87 1392.44 Let's just uh head back to work on what we were talking about bef uh goi h h getting into. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1386.18 1387.87 And uh right so thanks for that. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1392.95 1393.68 With half an hour? 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1395.01 1395.52 Yes. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1394.18 1395.01 Um. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1395.95 1396.37 Perfect. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1395.61 1395.95 'Kay. 
ES2009a H00 MEE033 1396.76 1397.32 Thanks guys. 
ES2009a H03 FEE036 1397.49 1397.73 Cool. 
ES2009a H02 MEE035 1397.99 1398.38 Thank you. 
ES2009a H01 MEE034 1398.3 1398.65 Alright. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 2.57 3.27 All set? 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 14.94 21.67 And then I'm gonna turn over to you guys to make brief presentations um on what you've found and then we'll have a bit of discussion. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 5.56 5.81 Right. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 4.09 4.67 Okay. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 4.67 5.56 Cool. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 5.81 14.94 So um basically I'm just gonna go over real quickly um some news I've just got from the board on how we're supposed to do with this um remote control. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 22.67 28.18 So basically uh what I've just found out from the board I dunno if you guys got this email as well but it needs to be television only. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 28.18 32.75 So no we're not doing D. V. D., we're not doing anything else, it's just gonna be a television remote. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 32.75 38.49 Um it also needs to have the company colours included in it. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 38.49 39.97 Um so that's red and black. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 39.97 45.54 And it has to have the slogan, case you guys forget the slogan it's, we put fashion in electronics. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 29.32 29.78 Okay. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 49.53 56.22 I'm not sure what teletext is but I'm assuming you guys do, so we don't wanna include that um in this particular design. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 47.41 49.53 Um and no teletext. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 63.5 74.69 So basically um given those guidelines which will have some effect on how we design we'll discuss it later I mean 'cause it's television only we'll be able to change our uh um 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 60.53 63.5 There's but it's the board so there you go. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 56.55 60.53 For reasons that I don't really know. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 80.47 81 Anyway. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 81 86.14 So I'm gonna turn over to the Industrial Designer uh to go ahead and make a presentation on 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 75.97 80.47 well we can s sacrifice more function for a better television remote. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 87.59 90.59 So do I unplug this bit here? 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 85.48 87.59 Okay. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 88.21 89.24 Gotta plug you in. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 88.27 89 Oh, right yeah. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 90.79 90.93 Yep. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 101.51 104.33 Might have to hit function F. eight but it looks like it's gonna come up. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 107.42 107.86 Yep. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 107.86 108.01 Cool. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 112.29 117.12 That's page one of my presentation. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 124.06 126.82 Um remote control works as follows. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 110.24 112.29 Right. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 117.12 118.92 So the uh method. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 108.05 110.24 Okay. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 151.82 160.76 A user interface controls the chip, basically that's the casing and the buttons and um accordingly the messages as well. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 129.07 132.69 Um sends message to another system,
ES2009b H01 MEE034 118.92 124.06 We're gonna have to understand how remote controls work and res uh successfully complete this project. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 132.69 140.34 so there's an energy source involved in that like a battery or solar power, something along those lines, there's an integrated circuit,
ES2009b H01 MEE034 126.82 129.07 This is all pretty basic stuff you guys. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 140.34 151.82 which is the microchip, um and that actually compose the messages and usually the way a a remote control works is it sends infrared bits to another system. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 114.6 115.01 Brilliant. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 115.55 116.78 For your first PowerPoint it's lovely. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 114.62 115.55 Very nice. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 173.35 178.76 And too much metal can cause remotes to behave unexpectedly by receiving false signals. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 191.12 194.06 Therefore I suggest primarily plastic construction. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 178.76 182.76 Um too much metal is used sometimes and people pick up radio signals and the like,
ES2009b H01 MEE034 182.76 191.12 and there's also the possibility of the remote catching on fire and injuring the customer, just think of those lawsuits, that'd be really bad. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 161.69 162.82 So my findings 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 162.82 173.35 um I just did a preliminary study here and uh I found that too much metal in remote design could potentially cause interference with the ability of the remote to send commands. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 193.92 194.27 'Kay. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 222.9 227.66 Um, the sender well I'm thinking infrared 'cause it is the industry standard,
ES2009b H01 MEE034 241.53 244.5 Um but in this case it'll only be T. V. s. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 250.54 259.63 the company simply can't afford this kinds of lawsuits which adm admittedly is gonna come at the cost of a certain aesthetic value, 'cause we were thinking 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 227.66 231.46 multi channel, that's a word I made up, I don't really know what it means. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 236.73 241.53 Uh and the receiver of course is any number of electronic devices. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 244.5 250.54 Um personal preferences, I really think that we should use plastic as opposed to metal, um,
ES2009b H01 MEE034 215.52 222.9 The chip, um, silicon based chip I don't really see any way around that, we can't really be different in that respect. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 196.82 200.27 Just some ideas that I had, um, energy source 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 194.98 196.82 Um, components. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 200.27 207.68 it's kinda hip to be eco friendly so I thought maybe we could do something with solar power with an alkaline battery backup. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 231.46 236.73 Uh PAL and N. T. S. C. compatible and uh probably a two hundred foot range. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 207.68 215.52 Um the user interface, I was since we can't use metal I was thinking maybe a high grade recycled plastic. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 214.6 214.82 Mm. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 231.73 232.27 Fair enough. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 231.13 231.73 'Kay. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 236.22 236.59 'Kay. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 251.24 251.53 Fine. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 274.64 278.93 you can do i is there some kind of nice colo der quality plastic that we can work with? 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 257.81 262.95 Is is there a way that we can use um modern types of polymers 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 262.95 274.64 or mo modern types of plastics that maybe do have some kind of aesthetic value um like if a white like if we talk about like well like on the lapt on these laptops and other ones they use a a pretty nice 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 272.51 272.83 Right. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 272.56 274.25 It needs, yeah. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 280.51 286.44 Um for example the plastic they have on your laptop there is something that's perfectly possible for us to do. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 279.17 280.51 Yeah that shouldn't be a problem. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 285.64 286.91 Okay, okay. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 289.74 291.77 That's the end of my presentation. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 289.83 290.08 Cool. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 290.58 290.87 Great. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 291.83 293.77 Thank you very much Nathan. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 293.77 300.29 Um if next we can have the um User Interface Developer go ahead and make a brief presentation that'd be great as well. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 302.47 303.75 S plug yourself in here. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 322.2 322.7 Mm. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 325.04 328.22 Um hit function F. eight real quickly, hold down 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 334.82 335.03 Mm. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 335.28 336.32 Looks like you're in okay. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 336.6 337.51 Is it plugged in well? 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 342.59 343.57 Computer adjusting. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 340.73 342.59 There it goes. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 342.76 343.25 Th 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 343.21 343.7 There you go. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 344.07 344.45 Sweet. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 343.57 344.07 There you go. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 377.82 381.76 Um basically wanna send messages uh to a television set. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 387.5 391.38 uh switch to the next channel, that sort of thing, I think we're all quite uh 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 381.76 387.5 Um that would be any number of different things uh such as switch on the television,
ES2009b H02 MEE035 363.95 374.14 it needs to be universal um and possibly uh operate several different types of devices although we now uh find that uh that that's no problem. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 356.76 360.8 Um so a few of the requirements we need here. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 350.85 356.76 Here we have a uh my technical functions design presentation. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 360.8 363.95 Uh we n basically need to operate an electronic device 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 374.14 377.82 Um so some of my findings. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 349.58 350.85 Well so. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 370.91 373.12 Yeah sorry I couldn't get that g to use before. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 391.46 396.81 quite uh intelligent and know know what a normal remote control does. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 396.81 422.25 Um now some of the other things I found is a a complicated remote control sorry that we can't quite see my red there very well but uh this remote control has many functions um so it can do a lot of things but it uh it is quite complicated and most users will find it uh find that they won't use most of the functions because they don't know how to use them and don't wanna take the time to learn how to do it. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 403.9 404.79 Oh yeah look at that. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 404.82 406.81 Mm. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 414.07 414.38 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 428.64 437.81 Another remote control, slightly different, it's a simpler remote control uh many less buttons but uh has many fewer functions 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 437.81 441.76 um m much easier for the user to manipulate and use. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 427.18 428.64 Um. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 441.76 445.87 Um it also has a bit of a cheap look and it's also quite boring. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 423.3 427.18 As you also notice it's quite a boring design. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 447.47 450.35 So my personal preferences. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 466.6 467.31 Um. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 467.31 474.1 Just incorporating some of the ideas that we had previously like uh having multiple face but it's uh. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 462.71 466.6 And I was gonna add another uh slide here but I didn't quite have time there. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 454.39 462.71 Um so attain the functionality of a complicated device but use a simple formatted display uh for the user to to work with. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 450.35 454.39 Revolutionise the idea of uh a remote control. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 448.18 451.42 Nice. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 466.33 467.33 Okay. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 474.52 474.79 Great. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 474.79 475.5 Thanks for that Ron. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 475.52 475.76 Right. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 478.25 481.82 'Kay yep that's you. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 478.96 480.36 Does that mean I'm up? 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 484.18 485.41 Thank you. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 483.32 484.18 Oh that would be perfect. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 481.81 483.32 Okay. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 480.36 481.81 I think so. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 482.44 483.12 I can plug you in. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 488.07 488.96 Slide show up and running. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 492.15 492.34 Uh. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 491.27 492.15 Or not. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 491.76 492.83 Give it a little bit. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 503.13 504.09 Perfect. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 502.62 503.13 Oh there we go. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 526.76 535.99 Um pretty much through testing we were finding out that most of the time, everybody's used to using changing the channel, turning it on, using the volume,
ES2009b H03 FEE036 535.99 540.29 m the majority of the time that's all that's going on, the other functions happen,
ES2009b H03 FEE036 506.63 507.66 So this is me. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 552.79 556.22 they're not using a lot of it, they don't need it 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 505.36 506.63 Okay. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 556.22 559.63 they even find it frustrating when there are all those buttons that they don't know what to do with. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 507.66 526.76 Um basically I was looking through some marketing reports that we've got and we had a usability test where we were actually sort like watching a hundred people use T. V. remotes and see what it is that they're using and then they filled out a questionnaire about what they like and what they don't about their general T. V. remote control practices. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 544.73 552.79 Um and so big complicated remotes like one we saw in the last presentation are really not the general public's use,
ES2009b H03 FEE036 540.29 544.73 for some people they're important, but the primary uses are really really basic. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 582.51 587.94 and the younger demographics are all really interested in voice recognition options. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 600.87 605.8 Um but basically it really is the primary functions and getting it to look nice, which are 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 587.94 593.52 I don't know if that's something we're ready to look into technically, that's up to the design people, but it is s something worth thinking about,
ES2009b H03 FEE036 560.2 565.9 And um we also found out that uh fifty percent of our people, their the worst thing about a remote is how often they lose it. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 565.9 567.63 And then they can't find it in the room. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 567.63 574.92 So I think what we were talking about with a pager or something, will really come into play with a lot of these people. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 574.92 582.51 Um there's also a survey about what they liked about remotes, and pretty much they all think they're hideous and not very useful 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 593.52 600.87 especially since the younger demographic's obviously the one that's gonna keep growing, so if that's the direction we're headed in it's something to think about. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 607 608.48 the standards. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 608.48 611.1 So it's a good start for us. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 612.46 614.91 Thank you Sarah. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 614.91 615.66 Right. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 610.72 612.46 That's great. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 615.66 619.52 So um yep I'll just uh switch that back here. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 619.52 624.4 I'll finish up with just a bit of discussion plan on for the next phase. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 615.4 616.17 Need to unplug this? 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 617.75 618.27 Need it back. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 620.91 621.57 There you go. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 668.61 674.09 um so do we wanna go for that, or do we want to go for an older demographic 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 634.82 650.89 Right so I think we've covered most of these important questions through this um through you guys's presentations um we've got uh y the Industrial Designer suggests uh or pretty much emphatically suggested that we need to go with plastic. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 650.89 661.26 Um Sarah, she's recommended that we go for simpler functions, so fewer functions um but we need to decide who are we selling this to,
ES2009b H00 MEE033 674.09 687.02 and my thought is um we've got w if we're gonna go for a sleek look I mean we are putting the fashion in electronics um. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 661.26 668.61 you s your stats suggested that seventy five percent of people under thirty five wanted, thought about voice control,
ES2009b H03 FEE036 666.31 666.7 Oh right. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 683.35 689.66 We're not catering to the pensioners of the world I don't think so. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 688.42 689.65 Yes. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 695.03 695.76 So 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 693.12 695.03 Um. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 689.65 693.12 So maybe this we should look into this younger demographic. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 693.14 693.48 Right. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 708.1 713.6 Ron was saying we need to think about uh revolutionising the way it's looking um 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 713.6 717.25 which might be easier given that we're going for simpler function and that we're only going for a telly. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 698.65 708.1 uh we need to wonder ah h about how we make it better and smaller and faster um think we're constrained to plastics very well, we've got this idea 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 712.32 712.55 Right. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 716.2 716.41 Uh. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 717.99 720.69 Um so um. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 722.28 729.46 How th this voice operation thing is I think is a good idea um assuming that it's doable,
ES2009b H00 MEE033 733.96 740.65 Okay you can't say record alias tonight at seven P. M. but we might be able to say um volume up. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 729.46 733.96 um at least for the basic controls, maybe we can balance it that way, you know we can see. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 731.69 732.05 Right. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 732.7 733.12 Mm. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 741.64 741.92 Yeah. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 743.68 750.59 I think it would be possible to uh combine the locator device and the voice recognition technology. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 742.54 743.68 Right. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 751.32 751.74 Mm. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 751.48 752.47 Oh. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 753.69 754.17 I like that. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 752.47 753.69 That could work. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 754.45 756.88 With a simple command like locate. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 756.88 760.02 And then it could start to beep and 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 757.35 758.22 Something very basic. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 756.69 757.35 Yeah. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 759.48 759.8 Right. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 760.54 762.04 Right. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 761.26 762.23 therefore be found. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 762.33 762.8 Sounds good. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 762.34 764.46 Is that only gonna be within our two hundred foot range then? 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 764.68 766.73 Oh yeah I think that's very doable. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 765.51 765.92 Okay. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 766.89 775.36 The difficulty wh would be in um I think like i you couldn't speak into the remote that you're trying to find. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 775.36 776.83 'Kay you have something that picks up 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 778.3 778.83 Mm. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 778.65 780.09 a voice from far away 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 778.88 779.29 Yeah. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 780.31 781.28 It's a good point. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 781.06 787.59 If it's hidden under the couch but then again you have this wee this wee thing you know that's just a little chip or whatever that has the page button 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 787.59 789.12 maybe that could be voice activated too. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 789.32 792.4 A little sticky pad to stick on top of your uh television. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 792.4 794.01 And you just say something to into that and it 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 789.62 789.84 Mm. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 792.49 792.81 Yeah. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 794.37 794.81 Yeah. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 794.63 795.06 Yeah. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 795.47 796.19 finds your 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 795.72 796.24 K 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 796.84 802.72 Or an isolated magnet or something like, or you know something that wouldn't interfere I don't know that'd be the technical thing but yeah I like that,
ES2009b H00 MEE033 802.72 805.05 I like that, the voice recognition for the paging system. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 800.82 801.09 Yeah. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 805.07 814.83 The other thing is we might be able to handle the simplicity of a remote control and kind of put the more complicated things into a voice control. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 814.83 817.99 So it could be sold to both the younger market and the older market. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 817.99 830.56 And the younger market could use kind of the voi voice control method and the older market might might k exactly and might consider the older market could use the simpler design with the traditional buttons and what not. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 817.17 817.63 True. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 824.44 824.81 Yeah. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 822.66 824.44 Making it just an option? 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 823.97 824.65 Mm. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 828.25 828.53 Right. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 830.56 831.82 Yeah. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 831.2 832.52 I was thinking uh 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 833.85 834.28 Go ahead. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 831.81 833.85 Are we still thinking about this screen sorry. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 833.81 834.37 Oh go ahead. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 834.76 841.67 The uh if we're gonna do this touch pad screen thing, it would be still, do we know if that's an option technically right now to that? 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 841.67 842.25 Okay. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 837.61 838.08 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 840.36 842.16 'S definitely an option technically. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 846.37 851.09 they seem to be uh you know almost as cheap as a button method at this point. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 842.16 846.37 I've looked into uh costs of uh touch screen methods and what not 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 845.45 845.84 Okay. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 848.79 849.39 We're doing okay. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 851.3 857.61 'Cause it seems like an interesting option especially because then you could have like your primary screen just be these you know four or five basic functions 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 857.61 858.05 you can have 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 851.38 851.68 Okay. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 858.35 859.57 Mm. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 858.56 863.96 menu options or something to have all these other complicated voice recognition, settings 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 863.96 873.29 things that you're not gonna use every day and that a lot of people aren't gonna use but it is an option there for this hi-tech market that sort of re is the sleek thing we're going for. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 858.69 859.03 Yeah. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 895.64 897.95 So it's just something to consider. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 889.82 895.64 The microchip is probably the most expensive part of the the whole mechanism. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 873.83 877.78 Gotta wonder though, if we're adding so much technology to this one remote 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 877.78 884.79 are we still gonna be able to meet out twelve pou our twelve fifty Euro you know goal for selling these things. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 884.79 889.82 It seems like, we're not gonna be able to handle all these functions with just one microchip. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 880.57 881.04 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 880.83 881.51 True. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 882.32 883.15 Worth looking into. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 884.23 884.98 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 884.98 885.2 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 884.85 885.17 Yeah. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 891.92 892.28 True. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 892.02 892.51 Okay. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 894.84 895.05 Yeah. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 895.78 896 Okay. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 898.95 909.33 Mm 'kay um well yeah I guess we'll cross that bridge um in a la slightly later stages of development um but yeah I know, that's perfectly viable question. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 916.5 929.73 but then in a sense that its bells and whistles are available for anybody who wants them but basically we'll make a sleek simple functioned um uh remote control. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 929.73 935.03 Um I think this voice recognition thing is a we've got a market for it uh I don't think there's too many,
ES2009b H00 MEE033 897.17 898.95 Absolutely. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 935.03 939.17 we'd more or less be cornering the market on it as well, we don't have many um. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 909.33 916.5 Mm 'kay um so I'm seeing that we're gonna just basically focus on this young demographic group, aim it at them 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 924.48 924.83 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 934.17 934.38 Mm. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 939.22 939.52 Yeah. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 941.68 944.28 I appear to have lost my microphone. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 944.28 944.58 Mm. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 963.18 963.79 Um. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 958.19 960.22 I guess we've c we've touched on most of this. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 960.22 963.18 The idea of a paging function, a touch screen, and face plates. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 954.12 958.19 Um right. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 947.4 954.12 Right um we don't have many people or there's not very many competitors out there that do that so cool. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 965.46 971.52 The thing with I see would there not be a we'd have to maybe sacrifice the face plates for a touch screen? 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 975.13 986 I think if you kind of take the example of a mobile phone that uh trying to pass a portion of the device is not interchangeable whereas the surrounding portions are interchangeable. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 971.88 975.13 Um I'm not sure that's sincerely correct 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 986 988.74 We could have the casing, the the face plates. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 975.4 975.68 Okay. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 984.47 985.46 Mm. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 985.46 986.17 Just the casing. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 985.37 985.62 Okay. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 988.71 989.1 Okay. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 998.99 1004.25 That's something I w for say we're including three or four face plates, it's gonna drive the cost up. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1004.25 1009.31 And the other question is, if we do include them are we really in a position to evaluate that market? 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 993.32 998.99 We have to ask whether we're going to include a certain number of face plates with the package? 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 989.96 993.32 Back to the uh the cost the material. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1009.31 1012.49 We haven't done any tests on face plates and whether 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1000.46 1000.81 Mm. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1003.64 1004.11 Mm. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1004.64 1004.85 Yeah. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1012.44 1012.68 Right. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1013.73 1016.43 See if there if there's even interest out there. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1016.43 1020.98 Off the top of my head it sounds kind of like a gimmick that wouldn't really go anywhere. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1013.8 1014.14 Okay. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1015.78 1016.34 Okay. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1016.34 1016.7 Right. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1029.03 1033.09 we'd be just our model of pho of t remote control. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1021.44 1029.03 Yeah 'cause then ha you would have to who all it's not like with cell phones like where you have a you know Nokia model X. and then ten people make face plates for it 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1022.17 1022.45 Mm. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1029.38 1029.65 Right. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1029.49 1029.86 Yeah. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1035.74 1039.98 it is sort of emblematic whereas you're just sit at home, so unless somebody comes over to watch T. V. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1032.82 1035.74 Well in the publicity of a face plate on a phone is you have it out and around,
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1037.36 1037.58 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1038.8 1039.04 Mm. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1039.04 1039.45 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1040.02 1040.77 Yeah. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 1040.95 1047.43 Well hopefully some people have people coming t over to w to hang out at your house and most people have their televisions in the living room. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 1047.43 1050.28 Uh. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1043.35 1044.31 True. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1044.31 1045.21 True. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1045.21 1045.54 True. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1056.99 1057.25 True 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1047.57 1056.99 Alright well we can we can discuss that one further when we think about um whether th when we do costs and so forth, um. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1057.25 1068.55 if plastic is dead cheap and if we're making the whole thing out of plastic anyway um yeah we'll cross that bridge later um but yeah we will have to evaluate what's most important. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1068.55 1074.99 Um I think we've had a bit of discussion already on this thing, n s there any other questions comments that came up in these presentations? 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1048.88 1049.31 Yeah. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1051.5 1051.84 Oh yeah. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 1055.16 1055.36 Sure. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 1075.76 1080.08 Well have we confirmed that we're gonna go ahead with a uh touch screen um 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1083.08 1084.44 Um 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1080.61 1083.08 Yeah yeah okay. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 1081.09 1081.71 Interface? 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1090.33 1096.51 Let's based on what sh on what you guys have all said to me let's go for a plastic 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1089.17 1090.33 Yeah I think that would be best. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1097.64 1101.73 built or uh b plastic cased 'cause tha tha that's easy on the cost 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1110.43 1111.24 Um 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1106.83 1110.43 With a touch screen for the basic functions. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1101.73 1106.83 try to look for some kind of high quality recycled plastic as you recommended and I think that's a great idea. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1125.44 1128.73 Um do we have 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1114.13 1125.44 And we'll yeah tha let's provisionally let's go for a touch screen one with several submenus um for possible extra stuff that one basically put the channel and the on and off switch on the touch screen. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1130.03 1134.8 Mm wait a minute it occurs to me that if we have a touch screen people are going to have to recharge their remote controls. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1137.44 1143.07 Yet at the same time that might help for this whole complaint of it being lost. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1138.58 1139.08 True. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1144.45 1145.66 'Cause it would have a docking base? 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1146.89 1149.73 But then again that costs as well. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1149.73 1150.4 Hmm. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1145.74 1146.89 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1148.95 1149.58 Yeah. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 1151.46 1155.08 So these new lithium batteries they last twenty years even with the touch screen? 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1155.51 1156.45 Do they? 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1156.45 1156.77 Okay. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 1156.36 1157.2 Those new ones. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1157.22 1158.14 Can we afford that? 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1157.7 1159.64 Can we afford to include one of those? 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1160.33 1165.77 And will somebody buy it if we don't? 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1169.8 1173.88 Okay so let's go with a um touch screen 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1162.21 1169.8 Well I I don't think yeah I can't see anybody buying a lap a remote control that they have to plug in so we'd have to see some kind of new battery technology. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1168.84 1169.32 Right. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1175.82 1180.89 with um some kind of you know with with some kind of cutting edge battery technology 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1182.17 1185.32 For twelve Euros? 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1198.2 1206.92 you know people know the channel and volume function make them large and easy to get at and then the the other the other bits and bobs you know go through menu um w we'll do the aesthetics. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1206.92 1213.01 Okay so we'll touch screen and the battery, focus on um uh presentation. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1183.78 1186.09 Yeah well hey you know well it's it's worth looking into 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1186.09 1191.83 if not we can always default to just doing a a well presented plastic simple you know so you know. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1191.83 1198.2 Well yeah I mean you can put the we could I I dunno I mean I suppose we could put the the basics on the centre easiest you know 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1186.67 1187.11 It is. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1188.24 1188.65 Fair enough. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1191.08 1191.67 The basics. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1203.44 1203.72 Mm. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1209.2 1209.44 'Kay. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1214.96 1228.68 Um it's th uh with this voice recognition option as well um just as for the simple functions the um the on off, channels, volume, um 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1226.98 1227.53 Right. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1243.71 1244.19 Just a beep. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1231.13 1234.89 and um a small paging function. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1234.89 1243.71 Even if you can't do voice recognition for the paging you know just some kind of simple button that's just a I guess another infrared signal to the remote control and while to emit some kind of paging. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1243.86 1244.44 Okay. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1247.58 1250.53 Um right so any comments? 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1250.53 1254.72 Thoughts before we break into go into the next round of individual work on this. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1267.03 1270.69 Or is it just gonna be one touch screen for everybody. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1255.83 1257.88 Since we're doing uh touch screen 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1257.88 1267.03 do we wanna look into the possibility of people being able to input different types of skins for the you know the actual interface part of it and things like that? 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 1271.01 1271.58 Be interesting. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1272 1272.56 Mm. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1273.92 1278.45 'Cause you said earlier that we have to think about company colours and um 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1272.59 1273.92 What what would be on that touch screen? 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1281.85 1284.78 Yeah the the fashion do. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1284.78 1285.11 Yeah. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1278.74 1281.85 And oh. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1279.67 1282.92 logo or something or motto, I can't remember exactly what you said. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 1282.88 1285.14 We put fashion into electronics. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1288.45 1299.08 W it's my understanding that if you were going to do a skin you'd need to have some way for people to download or import skins into the remote control. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1299.08 1304.65 Yeah I think perhaps good idea but yeah I think that that one m might just be um 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1296.3 1299.05 Right, and then you're dealing with ports and cords and 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1300.7 1301.48 'S too much. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1301.68 1302.1 Yeah. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1306.16 1316.72 and they just yeah I think that one might just be out of the range for this particular a P. D. A. would they would makes a lot of sense for a P. D. A. 'cause you're gonna be using it to connect up to things anyway but 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1309.04 1309.7 For now. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1318.79 1319.66 I dunno, what do you guys think? 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1327.46 1329.04 That'd be okay. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1323.05 1327.46 Think we just need to come up with a nice black and red interface on the touch screen. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1325.62 1326.09 Nice. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1325.21 1325.62 Yeah. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 1328.64 1335.97 Uh I I'm I'm in agreement with that, I'm wondering how we're gonna get uh we put fashion into electronics onto this device. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 1328.28 1328.64 Yeah. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1330.88 1331.11 Um. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1343.2 1344.81 perhaps it could be like a temporary 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1334.55 1343.2 Well but if we're gonna use a touch screen where it's gonna come on like on your cell phone it'll have your your carrier provider name come up first like while it's loading and then it goes away 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1338.55 1338.94 Hmm. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1345.64 1346.15 Mm. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1346.45 1352.12 Comes on every time you turn it on and then that's it 'cause it is a bit much to have it like engraved on the back or something I think. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1351.35 1351.94 True. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1350.03 1351.35 Mm. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1352.31 1352.75 Yeah. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1351.06 1352.31 Yeah. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 1351.87 1358.33 I'm hoping for a subliminal maybe half a millisecond as it turns on. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1354.77 1354.88 Yeah. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1356.19 1358.64 Y 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1357.54 1358.01 Yeah. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1359.08 1362.59 Yeah I know I d it seems like it would suffice to have just the R. R. on there. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 1362.36 1362.56 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1364.31 1364.61 But. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1363.45 1364.31 Yeah you would think. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1363.52 1363.95 Jus 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1366.17 1366.48 So. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1364.74 1366.17 But apparently not. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1365.92 1367.1 If it comes from above. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1370.93 1373.32 They just want it to be on and ready to go. 
ES2009b H01 MEE034 1366.08 1370.93 People aren't gonna want their remote to boot up and to see flashing things come on. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1373.24 1373.47 Yeah. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1373.35 1373.85 Yeah. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1386.06 1386.91 Kind of if i 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1375.16 1376.89 Well fair enough. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1376.89 1383.34 Um and yeah that would help the battery life too and if it the remote they do have to press a button for the remote to turn on. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1383.34 1386.06 But then again who wants to turn on a remote control. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 1389.73 1390.93 Goes into a sleep mode. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 1389.05 1389.73 Yep. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 1385.95 1389.05 Well all you have to do is touch the screen and it automatically goes on. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1387.71 1387.96 Mm. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1392.18 1397.53 Oh yeah I like that I like the idea of um putting the logo in the boot up screen, nice. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1388.19 1391.1 Oh to wake up okay or go into like a dormant mode. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1397.53 1398.43 Um. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1391.1 1392.18 Okay. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1402.82 1405.45 Um cool so any last things before we break? 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1408.33 1408.64 Alright. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1408.64 1409.33 Fair enough. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1410.41 1410.94 We're good? 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1410.45 1411.11 Sounds good. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1412.6 1415.33 I'm gonna save th a copy of this in case you guys need any reminders. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1415.33 1420.01 I'm gonna save a copy of this and the minutes that I'll do it in a second and put them in the shared folder for later reference. 
ES2009b H02 MEE035 1420.56 1422.63 I've put my files in the shared folder as well. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1422.82 1423.2 Brilliant. 
ES2009b H03 FEE036 1423.42 1423.73 Yeah. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1429.26 1429.64 Cool. 
ES2009b H00 MEE033 1428.08 1429.26 That's fab guys. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 6.78 8.09 That went well, thank you. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 11.92 14.77 'Kay. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 11.94 12.56 That's great. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 13.67 14.09 Perfect. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 14.49 17.59 Alright, let me just PowerPoint this up. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 40.14 44.82 Um, think of it 's kind of uh turning the abstract into slightly more concrete. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 31.16 35.27 Right so um this meeting will be about the conceptual design,
ES2009c H00 MEE033 44.82 49.33 In this meeting ideally we'll come to some final decisions on what we're gonna do for the prototype. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 35.27 40.14 don't ask me s precisely what conceptual design is, it's just something important that we need to do. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 50.13 51.32 Um. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 51.32 57.18 Right so um, apologies for the last meeting, it was brought to my attention that I did not make the roles clear enough,
ES2009c H00 MEE033 64.89 65.4 Um. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 57.18 61.36 um, so I will attempt to do so more accurately in this particular meeting. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 61.36 64.89 Um, fair enough, thanks for the input, 's always good. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 99.4 100.58 Alright Nathan, take it away. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 67.23 73 So, basically all we're gonna do is have some presentations again much like last time, um, and gonna go through you,
ES2009c H00 MEE033 93.92 99.4 So, without th further ado, whoever wants to go first is free to. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 82.61 91.6 And then we'll make some more decisions on um basic uh firm up our idea on how we want this remote control to look and work. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 91.6 93.92 So, perfect. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 73 82.61 uh whoever wants to go first is f fine by me um and we'll collate what we know about um what we discussed in the last meeting, possible directions. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 98.74 99.38 I'll go first. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 99.28 99.71 Go ahead. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 108.03 108.74 It is Nathan right? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 111.56 111.82 Good. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 108.74 111.56 I'm not calling you the wrong name over and over again? 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 109.92 111.84 No Nathan's fine. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 111.84 113.83 It's either Nathan or participant two. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 115.39 118.79 Mister participant two that is. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 116.71 117.21 Uh. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 118.24 118.67 Nice. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 134.11 137.9 so Basically what I'm gonna be doing is talking to you about that. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 122.13 122.84 Um 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 119.15 122.13 Okay. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 122.84 134.11 basically what I'm gonna have to talk to you about today is um component design and it's been brought to my attention that we may be somewhat limited as to what we can do because of what our manufacturer offers 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 120 120.57 Nice. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 134.29 134.77 Mm. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 142.04 147.94 We've already kind of gone over this but we're gonna have to get into more detail and probably have to reach some conclusions some time soon. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 139.16 142.04 Um, components of a remote control, okay. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 180.03 181.11 So we'll have to look into that. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 157.37 163.75 Our manufacturer didn't say anything about lithium so we might have to look if we do go that route, we might have to look elsewhere. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 163.75 167.08 Um, and also there's a kinetic energy possibility. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 173.4 180.03 So that's one possibility but I don't know whether that would be powerful enough to illuminate a touch screen. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 148.9 157.37 Energy source, um, our manufacturer offers a variety of energy sources, your standard battery, solar cells. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 167.08 173.4 Basically, it's like a um the idea of moving the remote would create enough energy to keep it running. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 179.47 179.8 Hmm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 179.87 180.26 Mm. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 195.39 199.47 which we probably don't wanna do, curved or very sexy double curved. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 189.42 195.39 Um and then as far as the way it's shaped, we can do standard boring flat,
ES2009c H01 MEE034 182.01 189.42 Um, the case, we have a few options, plastic, rubber or wood. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 199.72 201.28 What kind of th thickness are we looking at? 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 204.93 209.53 Um, I don't see any reason to go outside of the convention of 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 201.64 204.93 Um, I imagine that we could specify. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 212.73 212.89 Yeah. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 210.68 212.73 three or four millimetres. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 212.21 213.2 Okay, brilliant. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 219.74 227.04 but to use those we'd have to use more chips, um and that would cost us more. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 236.86 243.31 Um and just a little note there, touch screen equals many chips which equals many Euro. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 227.04 236.86 And if we do go with the rubber doubled curved case um we'll have to use rubber push buttons because the other buttons aren't compatible with that. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 214.07 219.74 Um, the buttons, there are multiple scroll buttons available from our manufacturer,
ES2009c H00 MEE033 235.62 235.8 Hmm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 236.42 236.74 Right. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 244.49 244.92 Nice. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 243.6 244.49 Right. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 254.94 263.83 So you notice when you push a button on a remote you can't see anything coming out of it but in fact there is light coming out of the remote and you know the television can detect that. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 263.83 267.49 And if you were to record if you were to make a video recording you could actually see the light. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 245.78 254.94 Um, one thing that I noticed was that most remotes operate on a infrare on the infrared part of the spectrum. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 281.02 285.37 Course it'd have to be a part of the spectrum that wouldn't damage the human eye or anything like that. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 277.8 281.02 So you could actually see something coming out of the remote when you pushed it. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 268.54 277.8 Uh one thing that I thought might be interesting was to use part use visible light coming out of the remote, just kind of as a fun gimmick. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 277.79 278.01 Hmm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 277.94 278.7 Interesting. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 284.76 289.34 M Maybe is there an option that we can have that off or on so a person can select like 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 285.45 285.85 Good call. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 284.85 285.45 Mm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 289.86 290.33 Choose it. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 291.23 293.37 I am sure that we could do that. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 293.37 295.83 Um, of course 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 290.02 291.23 Yeah. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 295.27 296.67 Yeah I like the idea, it's a good idea. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 296.95 298.85 Yeah, just as a fun gimmick. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 298.93 299.31 Yeah. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 302.2 307.47 Um, and then on to the circuit board that we're gonna use, also known as the chip. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 313.36 319.5 Um findings, okay, we're very limited by what our current manufacturers can offer,
ES2009c H01 MEE034 300.42 302.2 Just to set us apart a little bit. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 319.5 326.52 um and my question to all of you is, should we look to other manufacturies or should we just make do with what we have available? 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 307.47 313.36 Uh, we really don't have any way around the T. A. one one eight three five. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 327.71 328.67 Interesting question. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 328.47 329.72 'S a bit of a challenge question. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 329.24 329.41 Mm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 329.89 334.09 Well I'd say shop around but with our time constraints, is that really a feasible option? 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 329.97 330.36 Yes. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 334.02 334.2 Mm. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 334.45 336.66 Right, that's my concern too. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 343.79 350.49 My personal preference is I'll just throw my cards on the table, uh I think we should probably go the solar battery route 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 350.49 355.99 just to kinda keep with the environmentally friendly theme that we have going on. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 355.99 358.35 Uh, I like the idea of the visible light signalling 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 358.35 368.87 that's something to set us apart and uh I was thinking about I was thinking of ways that we could produce the remote in a variety of different case materials to suit different tastes. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 337.73 343.79 Um, if we do go the lithium battery route then we'll have to go outside our current manufacturer. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 370.07 374.85 So we're not so confined by one style and say some you know 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 374.85 380.96 say our the one if we just go with one and it doesn't go over well then we're in a bad situation. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 374.34 374.61 Right. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 382.26 384.68 Can we do marketing piloting too? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 380.98 382.26 Mm. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 384.68 389.49 Try to see what kind before we launch can we see how they're received? 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 381.43 381.69 Right. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 388.36 389.18 Um 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 401.66 402.38 Temporarily anyway. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 389.91 391.14 It's an option 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 399.93 401.66 it may help us decide for now. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 391.14 399.93 uh but actually there's I've got some research already on like what we're looking at and trends in casing right now which actually might even come into play beforehand 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 396.99 397.31 Okay. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 395.2 396.99 Okay. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 399.78 401.43 Okay, perfect. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 402.7 406.59 That's perfect, so I guess that makes sense for you to take it from here. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 401.43 402.7 Great, thank you very much Nathan. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 402.17 403.23 Oh yeah, you're welcome. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 404.67 410.32 I guess so, 'cause I found some interesting things. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 411.04 413.59 Did you? 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 417.33 417.67 Right. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 411.67 413.8 You waiting for me? 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 416.23 417.33 Um. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 413.8 416.23 I know, what a teaser ain't it. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 412.21 414 Fascinating, compelling even. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 420.2 422.19 So current market trends. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 424.7 431.19 Um, basically I was looking at what's going on in the remote control market right now and what's going on in other design fields,
ES2009c H03 FEE036 423.24 424.7 Screen. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 434.65 442.34 Um, remote control right now basically everybody says they want newer, fancier, more exciting they're sick of this boring,
ES2009c H03 FEE036 449.99 456.08 Um the challenge is that current trends right now, across the board in fashion, in furniture,
ES2009c H03 FEE036 431.19 434.65 to see sort of what's what's trendy, what's new, what's happening. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 442.34 449.99 normal, functional, um that we need innovative design options and there needs to be an easy user interface. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 456.08 461.63 in technology, is a very organic fruit and vegetable kind of thing. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 462.13 466.28 Now I'm not saying we should have, you know, tomato shaped remote controls or anything,
ES2009c H03 FEE036 466.28 474.74 but I think it is possible maybe to use um natural colours, like if wood is an option, that whole organic, sleek, clean, 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 471.96 472.52 Mm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 487.65 494.52 maybe having the b images be specific, like you could choose your menu bullets to be 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 476.13 479.31 v line thing may be something we can look into. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 479.31 487.65 Different skin options, or if we can't afford this touch plate thing, or touch face screen interface um,
ES2009c H00 MEE033 495.16 499.63 Tomatoes. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 495.87 499.91 a different shape or okay, not the example I would choose 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 507.33 515.74 uh not something I I've come up with a though if we can get around to getting piloting, I thought maybe a casing option like uh 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 499.91 507.33 but you know what I mean to t sort of and th apparently the feel of the next couple of years is spongy,
ES2009c H01 MEE034 507.22 508.89 Mm. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 507.79 510.26 I like it, I like it. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 517.57 524.65 not like a skin, but like a holder almost if you could do like um, leather options or wood options or something 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 520.26 520.8 Hmm. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 524.61 526.6 I should have mentioned this um. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 526.6 533.9 As far as the rubber that we can use we can use a rubber as part of the case, it has a consistency of those stress balls. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 528.65 529.07 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 533.96 534.45 Yes. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 535.22 536.69 Might be an interesting way to go. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 534.17 535.22 Mm. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 535.63 536.34 Fabulous. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 535.73 537.44 Slick, slick. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 537.99 542.17 Um, yeah so something to sit on for now. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 547.26 554.49 technologically innovative and this fancy new I think perhaps the double curve thing and maybe this rubber option is our best way to go for right now. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 542.17 547.26 So overall I think we should stick with what we're finding, everyone's looking for easy to use 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 552.5 553.09 Mm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 554.82 556.24 Um. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 556.99 559.52 Interface, oh the interface graphics for the um 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 560.12 561.08 Um. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 558.32 560.12 Yeah. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 561.08 565.33 Well I d but then if the touch screen thing isn't gonna work out for us that's really a non-issue. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 563.4 563.75 Yeah. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 573.98 577.89 'Cause so many you go to so many houses these days and you see broken remote controls. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 566.91 573.98 I like the idea of of rubber too because it's tends to be associated with being durable, something that you can drop and it doesn't matter. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 573.41 573.91 Mm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 573.6 574.04 True. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 580.11 581.58 Very much so. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 577.96 578.92 Very true. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 578.92 580.11 Very true. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 581.58 582.17 Um 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 578.79 582.79 Yeah, it's like, yep it's ubiquitous isn't it? 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 578.95 582.3 Taped with duck tape and what have you, you wouldn't have that problem if you used rubber. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 582.13 584.32 We can have a duck tape casing. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 585.85 590.91 I think that goes against the whole fancy something, a new line, but worth a shot. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 585.3 585.85 We could. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 588.8 592.48 It could go with the granola crowd. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 592.74 596.16 Ah, it could be, it could be, um. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 596.16 597.22 Yeah that's what I know. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 600.64 601.78 Ron? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 598.19 600.64 Great, thanks for that Sarah. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 599.77 600.37 No problem. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 602.4 602.91 Phew. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 614.55 617.6 Computer's adjusting. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 617.6 619.29 One moment please. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 619.29 624.97 So interme interface concept by your faithful user interface designer. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 650.96 652.53 Um, so 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 626.26 637.1 So yur user interface, guys, is basically aspects of a computer system that we can see or hear, or otherwise uh perceive. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 647.46 650.96 I think we're definitely trying to get away from this kind of a look. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 643.17 647.46 Here's a d series of different remote controls that are out on the market today. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 637.1 643.17 Uh, commands and mechanisms, that basically user uses to control the operator operating system. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 650.21 650.85 Yeah. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 694.89 702.57 Like you could say good morning uh remote control and it'll say in a sexy female voice, Good morning Joe. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 653.79 658.51 the following are a bunch of different uh interface uh concepts. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 673.71 678.69 um and basically you record your own verbal labels c and connect them to the remote control. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 678.69 681.44 Now our design team, research team 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 702.57 703.05 Um. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 681.44 694.89 has been able to uh set up a system in which uh you can teach the remote control voice c recognition system to respond to um with standard responses. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 669.03 673.71 Um, so current voice recognition starts up to about eighty speech samples 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 658.51 669.03 Uh voice recognition, we we um actually have some new uh information from our research design team but uh I'll get to that in a moment. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 703.89 707.21 In fact we already have this for a coffee maker line 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 705.74 706.03 Mm. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 707.37 713.85 Lot of single people on the um on the re on the remote control research team at the 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 709.59 712.64 On the remote control right. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 711.97 712.44 Yeah. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 712.44 714.07 Very true, very true. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 759.24 759.67 Um 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 735.45 740.58 And uh some special components, uh ideas like uh blocking 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 724.28 730.72 Um and then we have the scroll button with integrated push-button, kind of like a modern a bit bulky,
ES2009c H02 MEE035 730.72 735.45 a bit crazy, I don't think that's we're necessarily going for. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 717.96 724.28 the spinning wheel with uh L. C. display like on the uh iPod which I am sure most of you know about. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 714.15 717.96 Um, another concept is what uh Apple has come up with 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 740.58 759.24 having the ability to block channels from your for your children um and uh dedicated buttons for for commonly used uh channels and even uh ideas like secured or hidden programming but uh I again if we go with touch screen I don't think that's a big issue. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 718.25 718.51 Mm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 723.54 723.92 Mm. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 728.81 729.11 Mm. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 730.14 730.65 Mm. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 734.17 734.85 No. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 760.77 765.23 and uh this is kind of the uh the big daddy of remote controls here. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 763.56 763.69 Hmm. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 766.11 771.41 Uh the jumbo universal remote control is almost impossible to misplace or lose. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 770.7 773.54 Yeah, I can see. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 772.68 773.59 Um 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 773.59 789.12 again probably not what we're going for so I I mean my ideas here and kind of where I think we're heading is something slightly larger than a regular iPod uh with a hard cla c uh plastic casing although I think some of the suggestions we've come up with are definitely uh very good ideas. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 789.12 807.56 Uh changeable casings uh our design team was possibly talking about including one extra face plate with the package to kind of set the idea that you can change it and you can try changing it and kind of get used to thinking about maybe buying another one which can add value to our uh bottom line. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 782.83 783.25 Okay. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 799.01 799.46 Mm, right. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 822.39 834 and of course our voice command system which I've talked a little bit about already and uh the use of recognisable colours and shapes to aid recognition of the features um that are around so 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 817.11 821.51 uh, the important ones like power, volume and jump between channels. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 821.51 822.39 Um 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 808.52 817.11 Uh touch screen interface, um possibly having go-to buttons being uh stuck into the system so those don't move away from the screen,
ES2009c H00 MEE033 825.56 826 Mm. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 843.11 852.44 And uh perhaps even adding in some stupid little jokes with the voice recognition idea like perh mm for instance my toastie maker that I got from my bank 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 834.87 843.11 red for power, um arrows for different volume ups and downs and channels ups and downs and what not. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 836.92 837.26 Mm. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 853.22 854.64 has jokes when it's ready. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 854.77 856.69 Nice. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 857.92 858.25 Great. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 858.26 860.84 And uh that is about it. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 864.56 867.78 Lot of good ideas, good facts to have. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 861.24 864.56 Great, wonderful Ron, cool. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 867.9 868.28 Mm. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 894.73 895.65 Um. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 879.38 882.54 just connect it, my kingdom. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 882.54 887.95 Right so, good to know all that stuff, thanks guys, um. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 875.46 879.38 That's what they need, it's like a little dongle it just sticks up this further so you don't have to stand up every time,
ES2009c H00 MEE033 887.95 891.58 Now we kind of have to come to some decisions, um 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 891.58 894.73 I figure we can just go down the line and all three of us can have a chat about it. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 879.78 880.91 Yeah. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 880.04 880.4 Mm. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 908.19 910.81 I dunno, what do you guys think about the touch screen at this point? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 896.97 908.19 Based on what Nathan presented as far as the um various costs and benefits um I think,
ES2009c H03 FEE036 913.19 918.11 I think it's our most marketable feature just because it's so new and it's something that is showing up in other places. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 918.52 919.01 'Kay. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 920.05 920.28 'Kay. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 920.11 929.01 But can we really afford it 'cause it looks like they would be, that would be a really main cost source then right? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 928.56 929.04 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 930.4 941.94 My estimate is that in order to incorporate touch screen technology it's gonna cost us upwards of seventeen fifty Euro per remote, yeah that's just an estimate though. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 939.61 940.65 To produce each one. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 939.73 940.32 Per? 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 941.45 941.97 Piece. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 942.35 944.68 Oh you guys are always the dampers on these projects. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 944.11 945.19 I know 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 945.32 946.23 Mm. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 946.34 948.25 You industrial designers. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 949.06 950.28 It's fun. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 947.52 949.06 I know. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 948.51 950.37 Hmm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 954.36 955.27 Do we remember? 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 950.53 954.36 And our goal was to be under twelve fifty or we have to be under twelve fifty? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 953.99 954.62 Well. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 955.03 956.55 I thought there was some flexibility with that. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 956.55 957.11 Okay. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 965 972.64 Um, from twelve fifty if we d wanna get our fift uh hundred per cent profit margin um that would mean selling it from twenty five. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 972.64 975.64 If you multiply seventeen fifty by two that's thirty five. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 957.24 965 There is, it's just, it is a question of and how much ca o does that mean we're gonna have to increase the price to make money. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 959.75 960.74 Can we justify it? 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 975.94 976.49 Right. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 976.8 978.72 So 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 979.81 981.52 Where do you guys come up with these numbers? 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 982.2 985.97 That's just off the top of my head, it is pending further emails. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 985.55 991.47 From the board, um, well 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 988.13 989.5 Right. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 991.53 997.79 Though I think that's what people would pay for, I mean if you're gonna pay for an expensive high class remote, you're gonna expect it to do something 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 998.71 999.39 That's true, I mean 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 999.28 1002.03 It is the new it would be in a class of its own. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1001.65 1001.98 Yeah. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1004.45 1012.44 And that's to be fair the um the per cent of the market we're not going for mass any you know,
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1012.44 1018.48 mass sales anyway, we're gonna make I mean we we're not talking about selling eight zillion of these things,
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1018.48 1021.38 we just couldn't, not for twenty-five Euros, so 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1019.24 1019.74 Right. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1031.24 1038.22 Um, I say that we provisionally go with the touch screen or wh y wh what was your thought on the matter Ron? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1023.45 1031.24 we could probably maybe shrink the profit margins rather than selling for twenty five, sell 'em for thirty, but that's something that we can have finance deal with. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1031.08 1031.5 Yeah. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1038.31 1047.36 I'm thinking that's uh definitely a good idea and I also think that we could probably come up with some sort of a cheaper uh means to to go about this kind of production 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1047.36 1051.23 my my team in the uh on the third floor suggested that uh 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1046.95 1048.08 See if we can cut some corners. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1051.2 1051.73 Right. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1051.73 1055.39 Well and we can look into this other manufacturing option, and maybe we can get 'em somewhere else cheaper. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1055.35 1055.61 Mm. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1055.44 1055.82 Yeah. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1057.43 1062.08 We could initially go with what we have and if we can find them cheaper later on 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1055.86 1057.43 It's true. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1060.66 1060.96 Right. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1061.32 1062.78 It's a starting point anyway, so. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1066.48 1071.73 if it's gonna be about the size of the iPod or whatever, you know, w we yeah, I guess we can play around with it a bit. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1063.07 1066.48 No we could have a s very simple touch screen, you know, there's always the opportunity,
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1071.73 1078.07 Alright, let's let's say that okay so the touch screen will be our um our main selling point here. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1072.22 1072.46 Mm. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1080.16 1082.54 So 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1081.08 1086.74 I mean I think that we really have two main selling points, I think that our casing and the voice recognition 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1083.59 1085.34 Yeah 'cause with voice recognition 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1086.39 1090.05 I mean really this is pretty bells and whistles kinda remote. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1089.28 1094.96 The voice rec thing, I mean, if if we're looking at bottom line,
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1094.96 1100 now we're looking at upping the cost to seventeen to get the touch screen on, I think we might have to drop the voice rec. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1089.92 1090.26 Yeah. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1099.91 1102.08 I think we'd have to decide between 'em definitely. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1102.1 1102.66 Yeah. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1102.56 1105.76 To be honest, we have the capa we have the design in-house,
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1105.76 1111.36 I mean we've we've come up with this, with this new voice we're using it for our coffee machines already. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1103.16 1103.72 Price-wise. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1108.41 1109.39 True. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1109.39 1110.22 We've already got it. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1112.96 1119.33 I can pass you on that email from my uh guy in uh guy down the hall. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1119.33 1119.96 Sounds good. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1125.76 1126.96 What do you think on it Nathan? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1126.96 1127.79 About the voice rec? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1122.5 1125.76 Hmm. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1140.27 1142.27 It would be very nice. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1128.25 1140.27 I think if we we do both the obviously production costs are going to go way up um but it does put it into it'd become the Rolls Royce of remote controls basically. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1139.85 1140.48 Pretty much. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1142.6 1146.88 I mean we we have to r reflect back on what our market research did say. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1152.26 1159.41 but definitely we know the market is there for voice recognition so to say we have the technology and we're not gonna use it even though we know it'll sell 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1146.79 1149.36 Right and they said they wanted voice recognition. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1149.36 1152.26 Course, maybe they hadn't thought of this whole touch screen option 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1162.81 1165.98 Like really I can't go in and say no we're gonna just ignore everything we know. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1160.64 1162.81 is a call I don't think I can give the highs ups. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1162.66 1163 Mm. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1166.97 1167.36 Yeah. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1169.46 1171.79 Does having both really up our costs? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1182.07 1184.81 You know, you can't you can't have all three. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1173.16 1177.72 I can't see how it wouldn't, I mean, there's you know the old aphorism, you can have it fast,
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1177.72 1182.07 you can have it cheap or you can have it quality, pick two of three. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1184.81 1186.02 It's just impossible. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1182.71 1182.99 Yeah. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1183.57 1189.35 Yeah, 'cause you you just upping the number of chips that you need to deal with each different function. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1188.46 1188.8 Yeah. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1195.33 1196.21 Um. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1191.16 1195.33 Well if we're gonna pick betwe e alright so we have to pick between one of the two. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1200.91 1205.09 What which, which do we suspect we should hold o we should hold on to? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1197.97 1200.91 Otherwise, yeah, we just it just becomes cost prohibitive. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1205.59 1210.66 Well, we already have research backing voice recognition as you know 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1211.76 1213.24 fiscally solvent. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1213.24 1225.48 But uh I I I personally would tend to another direction but if that's what's gonna sell I think that's what we need to go with and maybe we can table this touch screen for our next model. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1232.73 1237.66 we already have the all the technology in-house, it's ready to go, it's packaged, it's 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1228.24 1232.73 I would have to side with that, I think the voice recognition is simpler,
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1229.99 1230.58 'Kay. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1238 1239.28 What does the cost look like Ron? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1239.28 1242.33 Is it cheaper to do the V. R. or to do the uh touch screen? 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1242.52 1245.71 Well my p is 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1243.41 1244.14 Nathan? 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1244.99 1245.24 Mm. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1249.33 1257.85 but I think the voice recognition would they're both mm they're both gonna push the costs up 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1245.65 1249.33 Um, this is just off the top of my head keep in mind 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1257.85 1259.16 but um 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1259.16 1269.03 since we already have the technology in-house for the voice recognition we're not gonna have to do as much design work and sometimes the design work is what push the costs up 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1269.03 1269.68 if you know what I mean. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1260.83 1261.1 Mm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1264.08 1265.51 Right. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1268.54 1268.88 Right. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1269.85 1270.13 Right. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1272.24 1274.8 Um, I definitely have to agree with that last comment. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1274.32 1279.23 And we're still not then we don't have to deal with this battery issue nearly as much either, we can stick with what we've already got. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1277.5 1277.83 Mm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1280.48 1281.32 In a lot other ways too. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1282.08 1282.44 Okay. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1290.09 1290.5 Yeah. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1288.25 1290.09 Okay. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1282.44 1288.25 So I'm getting alright so more or less you guys think that o o of the two of 'em, the voice recognition will be better. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1288.27 1293.98 I think it's our lower risk option which for right now we can have it on the market sooner which is all in all our best option. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1294.86 1296.99 Sorted. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1294.15 1294.86 Okay. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1296.99 1300 We will omit the touch screen in favour of voice recognition. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1300.32 1302.44 It's you and me outside a little here. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1302.58 1308.49 So and when are we gonna have basic prototypes coming up next that's you guys's next step right? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1308.59 1314.71 Yeah, well we'll we'll sic we'll sort out what it what f what else we're gonna talk about for the prototype but yeah that's our next step 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1314.71 1316.19 it'll be a developing of prototype. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1312.74 1313.28 Yeah. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1312.89 1313.19 Right. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1314.78 1315.09 Okay. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1315.48 1321.27 Are we going to talk now about um the materials that we're gonna use for the case and all those things? 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1321.27 1321.62 Okay. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1318.99 1319.4 Yes. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1320.14 1320.54 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1330.39 1335.1 Or this kinesthetic one, would that be enough to fuel a voice recognition remote control? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1326.49 1330.39 Would the solar power be enough to fuel a voice recognition? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1323.4 1326.49 You discussed either a lithium or a solar power. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1320.26 1323.4 We'll just run through it yeah, yeah, um. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1334.5 1340.49 Um, the solar power definitely would be but I think just to keep people from getting annoyed,
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1340.49 1345.89 'cause sometimes solar power fails and there's no way round that, we should install a small backup battery. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1346.33 1346.58 Mm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1346.89 1347.2 Yeah. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1347.62 1351.84 Just to cover those moments when for whatever reason, the remote hasn't been exposed to 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1350.71 1358.63 Well what of people with like the T. V. in their basement, like what if wha we can't guarantee sunlight everywhere so having a secondary source is probably 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1352.95 1353.94 Mm. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1353.94 1354.25 Yep. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1365.12 1369.39 um, but obviously a little more light than a calculator, but we're not talking about a lot of light. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1358.17 1365.12 Yeah, it works about the same as a solar powered calculator, and you know how those those don't really require that much light,
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1356.75 1358.17 It's true. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1369.39 1374 Doesn't have to be out taking a sunbath for a few hours a day or anything. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1361.04 1361.63 Calculator. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1362.82 1364.36 True. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1361.7 1362.82 Yeah. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1364.36 1364.74 True. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1372.09 1373.26 Right. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1372.27 1372.57 Right. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1374.5 1374.73 Okay. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1374.71 1375.7 Okay. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1375.7 1376.44 What do you think Ron? 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1379.86 1384.28 Uh I have to say though that um another idea's come up in my head. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1400.62 1404.77 kind of a sleek little uh neat thing that sits on your table or something. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1384.28 1400.62 If we're really not uh handling the remote control to a great extent we could possibly get away from the idea of having a hand-held remote control and maybe kind of have a round remote control that kind of looks like a paperweight or something like that 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1376.88 1379.86 I'm willing to agree with everything that's been said. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1379.55 1379.9 Okay. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1400.82 1401.39 Uh 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1402.53 1403.44 Hmm. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1402.66 1402.9 Hmm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1405.2 1405.93 Interesting. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1407.07 1409.28 Yeah. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1407.35 1410.85 Why, why moving away from hand-held, why? 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1410.85 1412.72 What's the uh idea? 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1407.43 1408.47 Just a thought. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1412.29 1415.74 Well if you don't need to pick it up it could kind of be a selling point. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1414.82 1419.15 I if it's got voice recognition it can be technically anywhere in your room and still do its job. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1418.17 1418.63 Hmm. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1419.94 1426.18 Do you think people that are people that buy a remote, are they always gonna wanna use the voice recognition or is it just something that they do sometimes. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1426.37 1432.96 True, and i probabl I think we're banking on selling it to more than just voice recognition people,
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1432.96 1436.67 like we want it to work fundamentally as a basic manual too, right. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1436.91 1437.64 But that's done 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1434.63 1436.91 Well we have to have buttons on it too as well. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1445.43 1455.33 Apple makes these really pretentious speakers with the th sub-woofers you know like clear and glass and you know and then they got these little pyramidal type of um speakers. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1437.64 1445.43 that's no bother I mean if you look at the catalogue from places like with sharper image or whatever you know they might have or like um who is it 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1460.37 1464 Um, 'cause we're going for basic functionality primarily as well. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1455.33 1460.37 I mean, why not have a little rounded kind of thing, it could still have the basic buttons on it. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1451.15 1451.65 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1452 1452.24 Right. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1452.52 1452.74 Yep. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1454.9 1455.21 Yeah. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1464.24 1465.09 With the bu yeah. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1465.19 1467.09 And maybe a menu button and so forth 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1467.09 1473.04 you know um use a channel button to scroll through the menu d if they want to record programmes or whatever you know I mean we can sort that out. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1472.15 1479.39 I think, I think you're on to something because we need to escape the traditional shape of a remote. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1479.39 1484 Maybe something that looks nice on a table is would be good, even though and hand-held the same time. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1472.5 1472.83 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1473.81 1475.33 Yeah. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1479.83 1480.14 True. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1482.26 1482.8 Way to go. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1484.26 1488.83 I think it's all about following Apple's lead on a lot of these things. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1488.31 1492.86 Yeah I'm thinking of the airport portal, you know like that little pod looking thing? 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1490.27 1490.62 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1491 1491.45 Mm. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1492.63 1493.37 Yeah, those are nice. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1492.87 1493.49 Exactly. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1493.98 1509.44 I mean a nice although we do um wh uh is I'm recalling that she mentioned that we n need to get away from the surgical white kind of brushed aluminium thing and get back to it but you could have a very tasteful um wood coloured or earth tone kind of um 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1493.83 1493.98 Yeah 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1501.21 1501.7 Right. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1501.92 1502.3 Mm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1507.51 1508.82 That would be kinda neat. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1509.88 1512.39 Terracotta bowl or something. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1534.25 1541.02 You know something where it's uh a a more advanced f form of plastic that has some kind of a tactile response to it. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1516.77 1519.93 Um, let's see what we can do as far as that goes. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1527.99 1534.25 um you know li lik if you feel the the tip on this pen it's a bit gives just a bit. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1511.74 1514.97 Still, I mean, yeah, along those lines. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1514.97 1516.77 Yeah I like that, I like that idea a lot. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1519.93 1527.99 And the uh the material like the plastics and so forth, we were discussing that being uh using like a rubber kind of softer feel 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1514.29 1514.56 Mm. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1519.69 1519.99 Okay. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1527.74 1528.03 Mm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1533.96 1534.3 Yeah. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1541.18 1541.66 Right. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1543.7 1545.18 Just kind of the squishy feel. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1545.73 1550.23 Yeah, which is the next big thing, so that's not gonna hurt us either. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1549.53 1549.8 Mm 'kay. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1557.33 1563.29 you just c you could just put it literally put it on the the ni the coffee table next to the telly and say volume up. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1556.31 1557.33 But to be fair, yeah, I mean 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1550.78 1556.31 Yeah let's see if we can do a squishy non-remote control-looking remote control. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1562.58 1562.93 Right. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1564.04 1568.14 Yeah I like it, I like the idea, that's good. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1571.86 1577.02 I guess we'll a that's gonna be uh a thing, if we run a bit over-budget, that might be okay, um. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1568.14 1571.86 Um and we've sorted of discussed costs, um. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1565.54 1565.89 Handy. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1578.13 1585.85 Sorry about the uh lack of information on cost, I just haven't been provided that information by our manufacturers and I'm just having to guess. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1583.26 1583.56 Okay. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1584.03 1586.46 We'll have more of an idea when the prototype 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1590.13 1591.79 Um. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1591.79 1594.12 And we just yeah go from there. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1608.97 1611.08 you know, not too complex. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1599.31 1608.97 I think so we're more or less con we wh wh we're more or less in agreement that we want to have a um a simple kind of function,
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1587.57 1590.13 have more of a we'll have more of an idea later on. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1594.12 1599.31 Um, so we've revisited the touch screen and more or less ruled that out, um 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1609 1609.13 Mm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1617.92 1627.17 although I'm not saying we should completely rule out major functions, they should be secondary, at least if not functionally then visually, like those shouldn't be 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1612.17 1617.92 Well when the majority of people are only using the most primary functions on a daily basis,
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1611.35 1612.17 Right. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1627.26 1627.71 Right. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1627.97 1629.45 Like maybe have menu things. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1628.6 1630.26 Take precedence, yeah. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1629.6 1630.15 If 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1630.15 1644.62 if we're not going the touch-screen route then we can um just incorporate maybe something that folds out like what you often see on these kinds of remotes is the most basic functions up here and something that slides down to reveal the you know more complicated things. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1636.54 1636.78 Right. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1637.01 1637.48 Mm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1640.59 1641.42 And they slide. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1644.94 1645.89 Yes. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1645.3 1652.03 Well and do we wanna consider like an iPod screen which isn't a touch screen but you're still scrolling through menu options, in p 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1652.29 1654.7 Think then we're hitting our cost issue again. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1654.76 1656.57 True, we're still not making it easier then. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1675.6 1678.05 like on um like on a D. V. D. player. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1661.43 1663.99 B But no I mean we could do a slide or a compartment, you know,
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1678.05 1687.2 You know you see the modern D. V. D. players'll just have um a menu button on the side and then four buttons around them and you can just kind of manoeuvre through the menu like that. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1669.99 1675.6 a b a b a a series of you know three or four buttons with a menu button and then a side an s up and down type of thing 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1654.82 1661.43 Yeah we've also got the the me the thing of, if we're gonna have a non-remote-looking remote, how do we yeah. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1663.99 1669.54 like if it say it's a lit little vaguely ovoidal type of thing, it'd be easy to have a compartment in there. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1669.54 1669.99 Or you know 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1655.48 1655.93 Yeah. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1659.6 1659.95 True. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1661.3 1661.6 Fair enough. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1664.68 1664.98 Yeah. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1678.12 1678.43 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1682.82 1683.97 Yeah it's just a scroll. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1684.26 1684.51 Right. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1685.48 1685.66 Yeah. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1693.85 1695.51 Rubber buttons? 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1695.51 1696.17 Um 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1687.19 1693.85 So are we gonna are we talking we need to figure out what kind of buttons we're going to use, are we going to use scroll buttons? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1696.33 1710.33 Well it seems like I dunno it seems to me that we could just do the um stick with the rubber 'cause since we're probably gonna be using some kind of um rubber for the outside case we might as well stick with that um. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1703.04 1703.35 Yeah. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1708.26 1708.9 Probably. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1709.84 1710.68 Right. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1711.89 1723.19 I think to a certain extent we have to stick with uh kind of uh a little bit traditional in terms of the buttons and then and then make our unique feature our casing and what not and our voice command. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1718.9 1719.42 Right. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1721.65 1721.98 Mm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1729.99 1740.48 are really versatile and everybody's already got them to some extent on the remotes they already own so it's not like we're dealing with everybody relearning things 'cause that's not something anybody's gonna wanna buy a new for. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1723.22 1729.99 Well no it's basic just like four directions that are that can use as menu or channel and volume or however you wanna do it 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1741.12 1741.58 Right. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1743.7 1745.44 Mm 'kay, um. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1746.95 1751.45 We've already kind of covered this as well. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1751.45 1760.85 That seems to be selling um and we we've more or less agreed that we want to kar target this youth market, um. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1760.85 1765.24 Especially now with eighteen to thirty five year olds being such a large quantity of the population. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1757.44 1757.71 Mm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1764.1 1768.72 Right, particularly in technological fields, so that's exactly where we're headed. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1767.01 1767.79 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1768.92 1769.3 Okay. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1770 1771.39 Um. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1774.64 1780.08 more or less covered what we need to cover I think fi an an any final thoughts before we think about doing the protot moving on to the prototype. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1773.81 1774.64 Yeah alright, well 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1783.56 1784.2 What were 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1781.66 1783.56 Well what are we actually doing? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1790.71 1795.55 Oh, my bad um sorry. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1783.52 1784.3 Right. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1784.3 1790.71 I was just gonna step on to um I wasn't? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1795.55 1803.14 The um, yeah okay I was just gonna assign tasks in the next b anyth any oth any other final thoughts before we go ahead and cool? 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1787.67 1787.98 Uh. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1789.32 1791.37 Oh it wasn't in the way but yeah, whatever. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1793.85 1794.71 No, don't worry about it. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1799.12 1799.56 Sure. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1800.74 1801.3 Okay. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1804.66 1805.14 Yeah. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1809.6 1811.34 Or are we just going to go with one? 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1804.73 1809.6 So have we decided that we are gonna go with different style cases for different people? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1809.86 1811.36 Um. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1820.08 1820.43 Yeah. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1828.29 1828.72 Yeah. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1828.44 1828.85 Right. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1839.02 1845.24 like a stained wood and um, I don't know, olive green or something. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1845.24 1848.92 That wouldn't be so much of a problem to incorporate into the colour of the thing. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1832.17 1839.02 Well then again colours wouldn't be so hard to do, you could have uh a, you know, a um uh kind of a natural wood colour,
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1834.77 1835.42 There's an idea. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1840.1 1840.45 Mm. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1844.69 1845.07 Yeah. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1849.36 1854.88 And again copying iMac's kind of for iPod Mac Apple's uh colour scheme. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1852.95 1854.11 Yeah, get in there. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1855.52 1856.14 Yeah, totally. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1857.19 1864.05 Yeah, I think that's probably a good id okay so let's work on uh multiple case colours. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1867.12 1874.34 But yeah, stick with the same kind of kinda yeah, the same basic non-remote kind of remote design. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1875.83 1876.09 Cool. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1878.02 1882.43 Alright, so we'll have the next meeting about half an hour, um. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1882.43 1889.82 I want the uh I'd like Nathan, I'd like you to work on just the basic look and feel, what can we accomplish,
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1889.82 1896.37 um, given these parameters that we're just gonna sort of have this kind of uh non-remote remote. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1902.78 1904.6 And um Ron if you can 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1896.37 1902.78 Um, what are our broad constraints before we deve design a prototype. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1896.4 1896.95 Right. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1905.8 1920.16 figure out how probably best to lay out this idea of this simple design with the voice recognition built in and also this kind of drop down or s on the side kind of menu options simple. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1920.16 1924.13 Somehow work out how we can get this all s in the same place. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1929.67 1940.49 Um I need you guys to work together on making a prototype, um using um prototype building materials um. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1944.39 1947.44 So that's what to start with for now, is that alright, you guys feel clear about this? 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1925.33 1929.67 Um, and if you can check product evaluation with m some pilots and stuff. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1940.49 1944.39 And also um specific instructions will be sent to you by your coaches as well. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1943.65 1945.1 Oh excellent yeah. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1946.04 1946.44 Cool. 
ES2009c H01 MEE034 1946.63 1947.88 That sounds good. 
ES2009c H02 MEE035 1947.58 1948.23 Fabulous. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1949.38 1952.04 I guess we'll just hit the bricks. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1948.82 1949.38 Alright. 
ES2009c H00 MEE033 1952.04 1952.52 Thanks guys. 
ES2009c H03 FEE036 1952.76 1953.07 Cool. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 20.62 21.43 Okay. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 26.02 26.89 Oh I totally 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 28.38 30.17 Yeah 'cause I moved it. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 37.15 38.76 Then we don't have to worry about it. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 36 37.15 'S put it over here. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 38.39 39.75 Ready for this? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 41.98 43.01 All set? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 43.01 43.31 Cool. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 44.54 46.73 Alright, it is PowerPoint time. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 48.53 57.91 I've done more PowerPoints in this particular experiment than I've ever done in my life before this experiment which is kind of fun. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 54.54 56.59 Yeah. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 58.56 60.65 Oh man. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 76.4 78.94 It means I'm supposed to read the minutes from the previous meeting. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 71.83 76.4 I finally figured out what this whole second bullet point is about in my that my coach was sending to me. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 61.12 71.83 So uh here we have our detailed design meeting where we will um look at the prototype and um right so um 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 78.76 79.56 Oh really? 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 79.56 79.98 Okay. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 98.04 100.24 Wait for it, wait for it. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 92.9 98.04 uh, I will open them slowly, no? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 87.23 92.9 s so just to go um just real briefly to go over minutes from last meeting,
ES2009d H00 MEE033 82.44 87.23 Otherwise it's just saying I'm the secretary and I'm therefore I'm taking the minutes 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 81.34 82.44 I don't know. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 79.86 81.34 I think. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 80.53 80.93 Huh. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 107.4 111.47 Yeah that's not you. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 108.6 109.2 No. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 109.2 110.34 That's how the 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 111.25 112.48 Wait. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 119.42 129.69 So um basically the moral of the story from our last minute uh last meeting was that um we that we had meetings from uh we had presentations done by the Industrial Designer,
ES2009d H00 MEE033 114.04 119.42 This is, this is very high-powered stuff here, double-clicking, there we go. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 129.69 135.87 uh or from Nathan, and Ron and from Sarah about what we can do here um and what 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 137.06 142.46 sort of limitations we're operating with um uh excuse me what limitations we're operating under 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 159.06 169.28 That would include some mostly just the simple design features for a television operation but with a slide or a fold-out bay for more advanced functions for users. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 178.69 179.96 So. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 152.76 159.06 I. E. that had a vaguely non-remote like shape um because you didn't really need to use it as a remote since you could just use your voice. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 169.28 178.69 Um, and uh the uh uh the U. I. D. and the I. D. were asked to go ahead and start developing a prototype for us to look at. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 142.46 152.76 what kind of risk we'd be looking at with some of the various approaches we were discussing and we essentially came to the conclusion that we should develop a remote with uh voice recognition 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 181.45 183.94 That's sorted, back to the main 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 187.28 191.01 meet here, um, go ahead and take it away guys. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 207.68 220.74 Some of the most important things to consider are that we decided not to go for the touch screen which you can see and opted for some very large buttons for the primary functions 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 201.77 207.68 Um, we took into account a lot of the things that we went over in the last meeting, um. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 199.92 201.77 What's to be said about it? 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 192.17 193.14 Well. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 220.74 221.36 um. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 193.14 199.92 Uh, we have assembled our prototype, um. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 213.92 214.3 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 222.25 231.13 This is going to be the on off button and we have these buttons to go through the channels um and then two volume buttons down here 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 234.55 244.28 And then, for the more advanced uh functions there is a slide out panel here um and you can see that there are lots of other things going on. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 244.28 251.4 But this actually can slide back in and provides a very nice aesthetic when it's all put away, um. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 231.13 234.55 d uh we decided those were the most important uh buttons. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 254.98 261.98 As far as the uh whole visible light thing, we decided to go with the multiple colours coming out, why not? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 258.85 260.2 Ah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 260.13 265.31 Nice. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 262.47 263.39 Fair enough. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 264.14 268.92 Of course, if that's annoying for some people that function can be turned off. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 268.92 269.62 Um. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 267.39 268.37 Perfect. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 284.73 286.14 Um. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 270.95 284.73 No it's important to we talked a quite a bit about uh you know the the interchangeable uh faces and what we've done here is come up with a bit of a natural look here um f we call it fruity if you will. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 286.97 310.7 of course that's uh interchangeable and uh I think it would be desirable for the uh for the regular product in the in the in the in the first packaging to be something a little bit more subdued but this is kind of something that can be done um and as you can see on the television there uh we have the uh voice detector device um on the top there. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 311.64 316.88 So that that will work quite well with with regard to finding this uh contraption. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 310.7 311.64 Um. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 286.14 286.97 Right, um 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 271.18 271.83 Go ahead. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 277.51 277.95 Mm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 281.6 282.02 Right. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 284.72 286.24 Appropriate, okay. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 295.1 295.58 Mm 'kay. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 300.64 301.3 It is an option. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 307.1 307.83 Oh, right. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 308.86 309.52 That's this here. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 310.89 311.33 I see. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 309.62 310.89 Ah. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 330.14 340.6 Um and uh let's see, well clearly there's gonna be some more colours and what not available. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 317.45 325.08 Um, what other things do we see here, well, um if you give it a touch it does have actually a bit of a spongy feel,
ES2009d H02 MEE035 340.6 343.65 Um uh do you have anything else to add to that? 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 325.08 330.14 um, so I think that will work well with regards to our market. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 354.13 357.5 it's not gonna break like some types of plastic that's dropped. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 344.03 354.13 Um I worried about the materials, it is uh the entire thing is covered in a rubber coating so it's very durable uh 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 358.74 363.93 Um, and of course as you can see and if you touch it it does have that nice squishy feel. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 365.78 375.08 It's actually important to note that the television, uh you know if there's an earthquake or anything like that, that i it actually is edible inside. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 386.61 387.07 This 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 383.33 386.61 This was actually an apple on the inside. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 377.36 383.33 Fact, I dunno if you noticed, but I wrote the uh the company's name on the telephone screen, I thought that was kinda nice. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 380.8 383.68 Oh well done yeah, yeah oh ok 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 381.56 382.37 Nice. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 386.3 389.59 Do we need to worry about um rot factors? 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 389.52 393.66 Um it's encased in a new uh type of uh 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 393.61 396.94 Oh okay, there's preservatives involved, we don't need to worry, okay. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 394.85 395.89 polymer yeah. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 395.89 396.34 It's fine. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 395.98 401.37 We got a bit ahead of ourselves, I know we're not talking about making televisions at this point or anything like that, but 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 395.02 395.98 Yeah. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 397.45 397.63 Hmm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 397.47 398.14 Fair enough. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 399.18 402.27 Edible televisions, it's a wave of the future. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 400.13 401.31 No but 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 402.14 403.89 It's a couple years off at least. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 406 412.12 Um, but I think that's I think that sums up the main features of our of the remote 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 412.12 421.64 um I dunno if you guys have any questions or f whether that uh whether we need to worry about any uh other marketing areas or anything of that nature. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 421.64 423.11 Um, did we come in under budget? 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 402.62 406 It's pos a possible new product. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 404.68 405.08 Okay. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 412.16 412.77 Brilliant. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 412.27 412.58 Right. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 432.58 438.31 It was twelve fifty Euro um and this actually came in at about eleven ninety nine. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 423.75 424.94 Uh we did, yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 424.94 432.58 This cost well to put this into um production, we're looking at about what was our goal? 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 459.63 465.46 So even though it has a lot of modern technology, um for example the voice recognition 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 442.41 449.19 One thing that we didn't do um obviously we had a choice with the buttons whether to use scroll buttons or standard rubber buttons 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 465.46 478.63 in a lot of ways it's just a simple remote and um I think if we shopped around for other manufacturers um we might be able to get even cheaper. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 439.33 442.41 Um, so I was quite pleased with that. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 449.19 459.63 but we just went for a classic rubber button and um since we did that we didn't have to use as many microchips which was quite nice and that's what helped keep the cost down. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 441.44 442 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 452.27 452.56 Mm. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 459.14 459.44 Brilliant. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 460.1 460.52 Mm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 467.96 468.23 Okay. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 469.72 469.87 Mm. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 478.91 483.22 Did we talk about the voice recognition uh option? 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 480 480.55 And 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 483.34 485.18 Oh no, we haven't talked about that yet have we? 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 499.15 507.14 Um, but basically the voice recognition uh incorporates um the latest designs that our research team has been able to cufw uh come up with. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 507.14 514.57 Basically uh quite similar to the coffee maker um design that we were talking about earlier and um 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 514.57 522.42 I think that uh has given a proven um ease of use and what not. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 522.42 531.82 And uh allows features like the remote actually talking back to the user um, so. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 484.43 499.15 So uh so uh yeah on the back here you all noticed this area here which is actually the voice recognition uh uh console and uh I think it's nicely designed into the into the overall look. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 491.93 492.41 Okay. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 498.35 498.69 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 510.22 510.63 Mm 'kay. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 522.01 522.4 Yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 520.86 522.01 Hmm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 528.41 528.7 Right. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 532.17 532.79 Cool. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 532.44 533.2 Any questions? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 539.69 540.76 Covers? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 540.76 545.41 In play now or are those ones gonna be developed later once we see how the couple we have g go or? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 534.89 539.69 Do we have um other, for lack of a better word, skins? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 534.92 536.62 No, no I think that's 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 545.33 547.98 Um, do you wanna answer this one or do you want me to answer it? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 546.53 547.85 Do we know where we stand on that yet? 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 548.01 551.4 Well we didn't quite have enough material uh. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 551.29 554.11 Oh I wasn't expecting a prototype I just didn't know if you guys had any in mind yet. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 552.33 553.17 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 552.52 555.2 Oh I see, right, um. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 554.77 567.1 Um, well as you can see this is just a most superficial layer and um it'd be very easy to put another layer of something else like 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 562.79 563.38 Okay. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 567.34 567.72 Okay. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 564.5 567.34 Just veneer really, yeah. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 577.19 587.26 So I mean there are I we definitely priced out a spongy even spongier non-natural look um materials which I think worked out fine. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 566.77 567.84 Right. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 587.26 596.17 We also continued on with the ideas that f following uh Apple's colour schemes with the kind of the uh light orange and the green. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 567.84 577.19 Actually this bottom red ring here just unclips and then you put a a new a new uh a new plate on top of that. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 570.34 570.83 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 571.99 572.83 And the whole thing 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 573.76 574.45 Okay. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 577.12 577.46 Right. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 580.27 580.8 There's 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 579.29 580.27 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 584.99 585.46 Okay. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 588.02 588.41 Mm 'kay. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 593.02 594.22 Okay, very cool. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 607.33 613.6 it locks into place such that, you know, it's pretty permanent but at the same time 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 613.6 618.89 if we wanna go the other way it's just a matter of a couple of adjustments and we could go the face plate way if you know what I mean. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 595.39 598.36 It's not it's not quite a a face plate 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 598.36 607.33 it's more like a pseudo-face plate because it's simple enough that in the factory it could we could very easily put a different one on it,
ES2009d H03 FEE036 600.92 601.39 Okay. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 617.22 617.54 Okay. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 619.79 621.89 It's still an option if we need it. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 619.03 619.79 Yep. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 621.89 623.55 Very cool, nice job. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 620.77 621.11 Yeah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 627.35 628.66 I like it, brilliant. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 624.22 627.35 Right, yeah thanks guys that's very, very good work. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 651.29 655.42 I'm just gonna clear this out real quickly, but it looks like 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 644.04 651.29 Um, it's a spreadsheet of the parts and I've just tentatively put in what it's going to look like um. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 640.16 644.04 Um the trouble is I was just given this by finance. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 629.77 640.16 Um, what we need to discuss now is the finance of it, um I got me you've got you provided a number that actually sounds quite nice. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 644.04 644.39 Oh. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 649.65 649.92 Ooh. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 659.96 665.37 So we'll just if we can just itemize what's in here, we've got this it's a solar cell thing right? 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 666.27 670.09 Right uh we didn't really touch on that but it it's in there, yep. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 667.17 668.25 With a back-up battery? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 671.63 673 Um and 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 670.13 671.63 With the ba okay. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 672.56 678.45 The voice recognition area actually doubles as uh as the solar cell area. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 678.45 678.76 Yeah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 680.07 682.73 Um so I guess that would mean we've got a bit of a um 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 677.84 680.07 Clever, clever, well done. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 684.04 687.96 It's a s a speaker and a sensor at the same time isn't it? 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 688.27 689.34 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 689.34 692.88 It's just making use of the same space and the same materials, but 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 691.47 691.91 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 692.1 692.67 Okay. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 693.78 698.41 Um and the case, it's more of a single-curved case, I guess would be that be the general 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 698.37 700.85 Yeah, one big curve I guess you could say. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 699.12 699.57 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 701.59 706.92 Um and we've got a rubber skin material basically throughout. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 708.6 710.35 Push button interface 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 706.92 708.6 Um. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 711.81 716.31 um with this other drop-down so maybe we've got two push button interfaces don't we? 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 715.89 717 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 716.98 717.91 Um. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 719.11 721.23 And um a special 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 722.56 729.9 I guess it's uh we've got a sort of a wood materi a rubbery type material that throughout, yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 727.67 729.56 Yeah, special. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 734.04 737.99 'Cause it i it is very unconventional, I like to think of it as unconventional. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 729.56 734.04 And s I guess you have to mark special colour and special form as well, don't you? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 737.33 738.34 I like it, yeah it's 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 736.08 737.33 Yeah, it's it's quite unique. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 739.79 741.95 So it looks like 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 742.2 743.51 M come in at sixteen? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 743.43 746.1 a bit over budget, um. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 744.08 745.04 Oh. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 745.04 746.59 Huh, doesn't match up does it? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 748.56 754.83 So what we could do perhaps, a simple fix would maybe to switch away from the solar cells 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 759.79 760.13 Uh 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 755.96 759.79 um or take out the back-up battery. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 759.66 760.48 How do you feel about that? 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 761.17 768.67 I mean I think that uh if we're talking about it being one of our main selling features, being environmental and without the batteries and what not 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 768.67 773.76 although it does still have a battery so I'm not sure that you know what the sell is on that. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 772.33 772.58 Yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 792.31 798.57 it's hard to scrap the whole cell battery idea 'cause that's so integral to the theme that we have. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 789.07 792.31 I think in the long-run it's better to keep the battery 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 773.73 787.51 I mean we could take we could take the battery out of it you see and it'd probably work ninety nine per cent of the time but you're gonna have to set up a call centre for that one per cent of the time when people are calling and saying oh look my remote isn't working what am I gonna do? 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 787.51 789.07 People'd be real upset. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 785.99 786.89 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 786.89 787.19 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 786.28 786.63 Mm k. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 789.1 789.67 True. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 801.14 801.96 Hmm. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 809.06 816.31 What's difficult, we have all these things integral to the um to the design of it that we just can't back out of now 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 816.31 819.4 it would have to be seems like we'd have to go back to 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 813.94 814.37 Nah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 820.61 821.69 square one 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 824.53 825.96 in a way. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 825.96 832.59 Um if we were gonna try to undo one bit we'd probably have to undo most of it, um 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 831 831.28 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 841.39 850.35 new thing, but honestly if we cut that one piece out we're actually coming in under budget if I've done my math correctly. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 831.84 841.39 Although we don't wanna get rid of the whole environmental I mean obviously the solar cell is a big piece of the way we're marketing this as like a natural,
ES2009d H01 MEE034 851.16 851.5 Hmm. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 851.98 860.5 I mean you might be able to sway me on the idea that we our main selling point could be already this voice recognition thing I mean that's what sets us apart right? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 852.3 852.89 I mean 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 859.03 864.91 Which, it's yeah that's what setting us into this young market, I mean that's where we started from, so 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 867.84 868.25 I don't know 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 868.25 876.27 and I mean you know perhaps when the cell technology comes down in price we can bring that back into the game but it looks like at this point that may be out of our league. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 884.56 899.08 but I h kind of have to throw myself in the in the business structure model here and uh you know I think I think that I think that we need to come to a compromise here and maybe move ahead with the project 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 899.08 900.16 without the solar cell. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 877.81 884.56 And the reality is you know, for me from an ideological stand point, I'd like to stick with the uh the solar cell 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 878 878.27 Right. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 887.28 887.69 Right. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 889.42 889.81 Yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 890.35 890.66 Right. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 892.05 892.89 It's either or. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 893.92 894.21 Yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 901.99 902.71 Yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 904.47 908.07 It's the only way we're gonna get below our uh goal isn't it? 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 902.71 904.47 I guess we might have to do that. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 908.07 909.18 Of twelve fifty. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 902.64 904.44 I think unfortunately that's our best option. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 907.94 908.28 Mm. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 909.4 920.97 'Cause we can't remove the push buttons 'cause they're um and we can't get rid of the uh I mean removing the changing the case wouldn't be so much of a 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 912.19 914.59 It kind of yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 912.61 913.45 Yeah,. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 922.02 922.72 Savings. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 922.18 926.53 mm-mm, um, nor would changing the case materials. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 924.3 924.75 Mm-mm. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 932.66 935.24 So that would be the it's a major change but 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 929.93 932.66 So yeah that looks like to be the only thing. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 927.66 929.93 Um. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 932.31 932.7 Yeah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 936.72 937.12 Yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 939.8 940.89 Gotta do what you gotta do. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 939.95 941.89 Alright, so we're in agreement on that. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 942.68 944.42 Unfortunately I think we are. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 946.39 948.87 No, I think that was a good compromise you brought forward Sarah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 955.63 957.48 Right. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 959.57 961.07 Moving along swiftly. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 961.07 965.99 Um, so I guess now we just go to the project evaluation 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 967.46 970.17 which I will allow Sarah to take over. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 971.1 972.47 Um cord? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 969.88 971.1 That would be me. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 972.84 973.77 Ah of course, sorry. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 974.01 974.62 No problem. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 974.92 975.11 Whoosh. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 977.19 979.59 Can you reach, that would be great, thank you. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 977.99 978.34 Yep. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 979.8 986.97 That'd be great 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1005.35 1012.51 I are technologies up to where we hoped they would be and does it fulfil the aesthetic qualities that our original market research was looking for? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 995.72 998.24 these are the things that look like we feel they're important. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1012.51 1013.01 Um. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 998.24 1003.24 Um so I was looking at basic design things, does it fulfil its functions as a remote? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 981.27 986.92 I didn't even do that one on purpose either, damn. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 987.82 995.72 basically I was just evaluating um from what we know of how our product's working right now with the criteria that we set at the beginning of these are the things we needed to do 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 986.92 987.82 Okay, um 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1003.24 1005.35 Is the design what we wanted it to do? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1029.16 1035.2 um that looked like it was coming up rough, but then, once you get used to it, it does make a lot of sense. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1016.79 1019.31 Does it respond to voice recognition? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1022.59 1029.16 Um, the only thing is with with the pull-out panel, that is, can it take some adjusting because it's a new sort of interface,
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1013.65 1016.79 Basic questions like, you know, does it turn on? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1035.2 1037.68 So I think overall we're headed in the right direction. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1019.31 1022.59 And overall, in general, it looks like it's coming up to par. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1022.47 1022.65 Mm. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1038.1 1038.5 Really good. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1038.26 1039.75 So. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1039.93 1041.33 They like that spongy feel. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1041.63 1042.63 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1042.63 1044.46 It looks like it's going over well, so 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1043.81 1048 And the paging function works well, that's good to hear, we worked hard on that one. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1044.33 1045.05 Six? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1049.14 1060.69 It's I think eventually if we do um branch out with this product maybe we do have a higher budget options and if it goes over with this model we can look into um wider range voice recognition like from other rooms of the house and stuff,
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1060.69 1064.81 but for now, what we've got is working in the range we need it for, so it's all good. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1045.69 1048.08 we're we're good yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1048.08 1049.14 Yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1047.98 1048.35 We did. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1066.47 1066.78 Brilliant. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1066.71 1070.88 I am bit disappointed about losing the solar panel but it's okay. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1066.95 1068.17 That's everything from me. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1069.83 1070.08 Hmm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1070.02 1070.49 Yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1071.59 1071.81 Mm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1071.65 1073.5 Yeah, it is a set-back, but 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1076.17 1077.21 Okay, do you need the cord back? 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1077.09 1082.36 W we might have uh we might have lost that granola market again that we're 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1077.54 1078.83 Um yeah, I was just go on. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1080.78 1081.34 I know. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1082.89 1084.32 Well they don't own tellys anyway do they? 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1084.58 1085.53 I guess that's true. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1084.97 1085.28 True. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1102.83 1112.4 Um so I guess we are going to discuss um our project process um and that is gonna go into my report. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1125.53 1126.61 I guess, um. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1112.4 1125.53 So I guess this is the point where we go um uh out of role it looks like and talk about our satisfaction for room for creativity and so forth and how that all worked,
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1089.8 1098.15 So, um, this one's a bit unclear to me to be perfectly fair, um. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1089.17 1089.8 Right. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1098.15 1102.83 I got this slide from the coach and I'm not sure what it's connected to. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1124.2 1124.52 Okay. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1126.36 1128.71 As in within the team or? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1128.17 1129.15 I think so yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1128.93 1132.38 Right so it's just kind of a open mic kind of thing or 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1129.6 1130.11 Okay. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1130.59 1131.29 I think it's 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1132.48 1133.27 I mm-hmm, I think so. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1134.58 1134.83 'Kay. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1134.93 1141.9 I think hope I'm not screwing up an experiment. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1135.04 1139.22 It is now, you're in charge so there you go. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1146.48 1151.88 Um right, um so any thoughts? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1143.47 1146.48 But I trust that she would jump in if I was so okay fair enough. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1145.81 1146.4 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1145.85 1148.16 Whatever. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1152.72 1155.26 Are we considering these points here? 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1155.26 1155.69 Okay. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1153.32 1153.61 Um. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1154.89 1155.17 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1155.27 1156.56 I think they're starting blocks yeah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1158.69 1160.51 What do you guys feel about the process? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1162.11 1167.99 Um, you know I think in general, for a day's worth of work we actually were relatively productive 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1171.17 1175.69 Um, and the technology has definitely been a help, it's really been interesting to try out all this new stuff. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1167.99 1171.17 considering the little amount of input we had going in. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1170.42 1170.91 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1177.61 1179.29 We didn't use the whiteboard at all. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1179.2 1181.44 No, we didn't. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1181.44 1190.08 We could now if that'd make up for it but really and I feel like if you guys had been designing in here perhaps that would have changed but because of room constraints 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1190.08 1190.88 doesn't really matter. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1179.51 1179.85 No. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1179.58 1181.26 No, no whiteboard. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1183.59 1185.21 And 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1192.09 1201.02 Um, also had I not been intrigued about the pen, I don't think I woulda used it at all, I didn't write barely anything. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1200.83 1206.46 Yeah I think I was taking notes more often than usual just 'cause I liked the pen, yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1203.89 1205.29 Yeah, it's true. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1209.14 1209.78 Uh. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1209.33 1209.8 Mm. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1210.55 1211.78 Was pretty cool tack though. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1212.8 1212.89 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1214.63 1218.65 I am disappointed I didn't get a note back from my personal coach. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1213.5 1214.63 Mm. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1213.53 1214 Definitely. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1218 1219.14 As you write your personal coach. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1219.17 1225.08 Yeah, but I didn't get a response so we'll see. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1227.57 1228.26 That'd be weird. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1220.78 1227.57 What if you get a response two or three months from now? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1227.39 1228.91 Okay that would be kinda creepy. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1228.44 1231.91 Attempts to contact coach ineffective. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1234.49 1240.83 What if I really needed something. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1229.99 1234.49 Well what kind of coaching is that really? 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1241.57 1247.78 we could do whatever basically what we wanted until the budget came down on us, um. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1237.05 1241.57 I so I don't n I think there was a lot of room for creativity,
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1243.19 1243.99 I think so. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1248.42 1252.83 And even then we did get a decent product turned out although it's not everything we wanted it to be. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1253.13 1253.49 Yeah. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1253.49 1254.65 With the natural look. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1254.86 1256 That's very natural. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1255.13 1256.94 Very natural look. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1262.84 1268.08 And highly resourceful team mates might I add which is always a plus. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1255.5 1262.84 Organic, really. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1258.67 1261.86 That's the brilliance of they had a p they had a peeler in here. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1266.42 1266.91 Yeah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1268.42 1271.77 Yeah, I think, yeah re I thought it was like really creative actually, I mean. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1271.18 1275.93 I think the teamwork was good as well. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1271.51 1273.08 Mm yeah, I'm impressed. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1275.22 1279.5 And to prove that we weren't wasteful we didn't waste a single bit of Play-Doh, we used every bit. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1279.54 1281.33 Nice. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1281.33 1288.68 All four of those little containers. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1282.08 1286.32 Including the s the multi-coloured wave pattern. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1283.08 1284.62 Yeah, I guess 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1286.63 1293.3 My one my one criticism is that we didn't have enough colours to work with, we only had four, wasn't enough. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1289.98 1293.11 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1293.11 1296.63 You could have developed multiple skins really had you had more colours. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1295.33 1297.13 I know it could have been amazing. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1297.59 1298.77 Oh well. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1299.76 1303.27 What did you guys think about the the the roles? 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1304.73 1305.19 Hmm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1308.69 1310.47 They were good. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1310.8 1313.88 Yeah it's f kind of fun, it was 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1312.55 1312.71 Yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1315.84 1326.19 I think it was pretty clever 'cause we were never able to get too far off track because the information came in at the right time and kind of filled in the gaps enough. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1326.19 1331.56 At the same time you had enough room to kind of just make things up, which was kind of fun. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1324.18 1324.67 True. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1330.05 1331.57 Do your own. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1331.57 1336.31 Though I did feel like th the level of information dropped off severely over the course of the day. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1336.42 1336.78 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1337.7 1343.26 I mean maybe it's just me but I didn't actually get any information for the last presentation at all. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1343.26 1346.72 Nothing, I didn't even get an email, like that was it. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1342.81 1345.3 That's true, I I got this spreadsheet. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1348.42 1356.25 So, yeah, I feel like that was slightly lacking but then you know, fill in the blanks on your own, level of creativity upped. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1356.25 1356.95 Whatever. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1386.57 1387.25 which was fine. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1356.2 1386.57 Well I think that was I think that was an issue I kept finding with regard to well no but also yeah when I was reporting about what each of us was doing I was often confused as to what you were doing um and then I also felt like you know a lot of our discussion would centre around n specifically what my task was because that was kind of the interface portion which was what the whole project was about uh but and then in the end I think our jobs kind of melded together a little bit more 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1359.54 1360.22 Of what to do. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1364.7 1365.06 Mm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1364.86 1365.27 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1367.07 1369.32 Uh-huh, that wasn't very much. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1368.71 1369.05 You know 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1370.13 1370.46 Mm. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1377.48 1378.03 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1378.42 1378.93 Yes. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1380.14 1380.76 Mm, mm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1380.64 1381.38 Hmm, very much so. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1384.87 1385.83 Yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1385.83 1386.62 That was fun. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1386.62 1398.26 I think the most helpful thing out of everything was getting the the PowerPoint slides already put together for you 'cause if we didn't have that there's no way we could have got all that done in time. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1394.02 1394.45 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1394.62 1396.91 Yeah, already having the formatted stuff helped a lot. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1398.74 1399.27 Very much so. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1400.62 1401.19 Cool. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1402.3 1403.99 And I think your leadership was quite good. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1404.08 1405.28 It was really good yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1404.23 1404.49 Hmm. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1405.52 1411.94 She said I I I she actually made a comment off boy you're getting into this and I really I think it's true I did get I I felt like I got way too into it. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1410.38 1410.72 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1412.6 1417.26 That's kind of a good thing though, you know, give the rest of us some structure to work with so hey. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1413.44 1414.94 I felt like I slipped into it a lot. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1413.78 1414.52 It's kinda fun. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1417.67 1418.17 I dunno. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1418 1420.21 An so is that the first time you've taken on that kind of role? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1424.13 1429.19 I usually organise crap, it's one thing to do, you know set up a party with your friends, you know? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1420.58 1424.13 The first time I've ever done anything like yeah project project management. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1424.31 1424.59 Hmm. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1428.03 1428.42 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1428.71 1429.03 Yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1429.75 1430.51 Little different. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1430.82 1437.62 But you guys felt that you could keep the, yeah, suspension of disbelief kind of like like the role and the okay? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1437.29 1444.94 I except for a couple moments where it just got out of hand and I knew we were all lying through our teeth, other than that 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1436.63 1437.29 Yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1437.27 1437.71 Yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1440.23 1440.68 Yeah. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1442.55 1449.74 I had to admit, as soon as w we started I mean as soon as we got the Play-Doh 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1449.74 1454.9 th you know the whole concept of really trying to stick with reality went out the window. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1447.23 1449.88 I could only imagine. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1453.96 1454.91 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1462.83 1470.89 we used to have spaceship Legos did you guys ever used to build spaceships with Legos everybody knows best spaceships ever. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1457.1 1459.58 Maybe in in Legos you know? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1459.58 1462.83 Be fun with Legos too, like make a remote control or spaceship 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1470.89 1473.06 Um you guys felt like there was enough teamwork in all? 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1459.51 1460.1 Possibly. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1465.89 1467.86 Oh yeah, still have 'em. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1466.59 1467.12 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1468.5 1469.04 Totally. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1473.33 1473.63 Yeah? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1474 1474.42 I think so. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1476.07 1476.28 Yep. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1477.66 1477.79 Hmm. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1479.87 1480.55 You don't. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1480.14 1484.16 No I, no I dunno, I d I I dunno, I don't I I was just I 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1495.2 1501.84 use the board well and this would have been six months' worth of work, not like three hours' worth of meetings. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1489.67 1495.2 but I feel like if this was a team project there actually would have been much more of the collaborative like brainstorming,
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1483.8 1489.67 Though we didn't actually I mean other than minor discussion at meetings there wasn't except for the actual building 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1489.12 1489.49 Yeah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1489.78 1490.6 It's true huh? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1499.97 1500.36 Yeah. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1502.32 1507.1 I mean I think had the issue been more serious we probably woulda brainstormed more during our meetings as a team. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1506.4 1506.87 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1506.46 1507.01 That's true. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1509.25 1510.43 Yeah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1520.36 1520.93 It d 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1510.43 1518.24 Course I'm I'm conscious of the idea of the Project Manager asking if you guys feel like there's a team you know it's like,
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1518.24 1520.36 kind of like, like hmm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1520.45 1521.31 Yeah that is kind of 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1524.71 1526.57 It's kind of fascinating wasn't it? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1522.23 1523.43 But yeah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1523.43 1524.71 Interesting. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1526.57 1527.76 I mean the whole process of 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1527.56 1533.66 Wonder why is there anything about the way that we got so much inform what was it that kept us from going to the the board? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1534.68 1535.64 I don't know. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1535.64 1537.37 I I don't know if there was a ri I th 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1537.03 1537.95 Mine was the mics. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1537.95 1542.52 I didn't feel like getting up and down and dealing with all these wires, I was afraid I was gonna break something actually. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1539.76 1547.68 Yeah, that's it 'cause the mics are loose and each time you get up it's s a possibility of tripping over something or getting tangled or. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1543.23 1543.53 Yeah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1544.93 1547 Mm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1545.41 1545.83 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1547.86 1548.21 Yeah. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1547.96 1550.15 Well I dunno what I woulda shown on that board. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1550.21 1555.67 True, but it didn't even occur to me as an option, I mean I don't know that I would have but I know that I consciously didn't. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1552.93 1553.5 Nor I. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1565.31 1568.23 Standard, I just used it 'cause it's literally right in front of me. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1560.13 1565.31 Um, because I've got this laptop. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1556.07 1560.13 I mean it's just like the paper I don't know what I really needed the paper for. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1559.59 1559.9 True. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1562.97 1563.28 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1568.65 1568.83 Yeah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1578.27 1582.96 I mean, just to see what it looks like in P. D. F. format or something. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1568.81 1572.61 I wanna see the output files from these um, from the digital paper. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1572.61 1578.27 I wanna see wh wh what my my handwriting looks like digitized because my handwriting is crap. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1570 1571.38 Well it looks really professional. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1573.22 1574.03 I know. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1577.62 1579.08 Yeah, that's it. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1583.12 1586.02 Usually I would do a lot more doodling too but I didn't because 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1585.38 1591.62 I know, I felt like I needed to be professional so I didn't like draw all over my paper and stuff. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1591.62 1597.12 Okay, well not entirely, but still, I doodled less than I usually do. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1600.81 1602.13 You know, like what is the uh 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1597.94 1600.81 T I I'm curious about what the de-briefing is gonna be like. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1603.6 1605.17 what exactly we're looking for here. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1605.69 1606.96 So is this all we need to get through? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1607.44 1610.96 I dunno, I'm not sure what the new ideas found i is about. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1608.08 1608.88 I guess. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1612.47 1614.79 It did it just say in an email that we need to discuss that? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1610.63 1612.47 Um. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1610.65 1611.6 New ideas. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1612.49 1613.11 Is it 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1615.46 1623.04 Well, that's the thing I got i in the email I got this PowerPoint file but this slide was just there, mm-hmm. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1623.04 1624.22 I didn't change this one at all. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1621.06 1622.2 That slide was like that? 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1624.23 1624.37 Hmm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1625.77 1626.3 Well. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1626.58 1627.23 Um ch 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1626.83 1628.38 I guess we're on the right track. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1629.15 1630.56 Yeah well. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1630.15 1636.94 Any new ideas with regard to remote control concepts? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1633.43 1636.76 W I kinda like th 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1635.41 1636.61 No, none. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1636.66 1638.29 Uh I think they still do their job. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1639.12 1640.43 I think they're fine actually. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1639.17 1640.01 Yeah you can't 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1640.23 1646.31 I am thinking outside the little square box though, with literally in like form I don't 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1643.92 1644.24 Yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1645.67 1648.52 Yeah, maybe a s a circle would be alright, different. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1647.89 1648.08 Yeah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1652.99 1654.95 It's like inventing a new car. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1648.88 1652.99 Does kinda make you wonder, I mean, how much can you do with a remote control? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1654.95 1655.8 Yeah yeah, you can 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1655.05 1658.49 It's still gotta be technically car shaped or it won't fit on the road, you know? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1657.55 1659.28 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1661.08 1662.3 Don't know. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1662.99 1663.16 Hmm. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1664.48 1665.6 Um. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1665.6 1665.83 'Kay. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1665.41 1665.87 What is that? 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1665.87 1668.33 Our limited ability to think outside the box? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1666.25 1666.83 Kind of. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1666.53 1667.98 So this was other costs. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1667.46 1670.2 Are we back into project mood? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1669.58 1670.63 I think this is 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1668.93 1669.58 I dunno. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1672.38 1673.31 How much time do we have left? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1670.68 1672.38 Oh, how long was our meeting supposed to be? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1672.77 1677.48 forty ish I I I mm we should go on a bit yeah about the project eval, um. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1679.84 1681.22 I dunno about you guys but I felt like 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1682.92 1683.28 a bit 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1687.06 1690.17 Like, what like you know what am I really doing, you know what is 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1685.14 1687.06 under-stimulated on the whole thing. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1687.3 1687.69 Mm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1691.56 1705.45 at the beginning it started out and I felt actually like under pressure like the first couple were taking a lot of work and I was like had like all this brainstorming I was doing and then suddenly I was like well it's just another two minute presentation that you guys don't really care about anyway so type away. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1705.45 1712.15 You know, you know what I mean like we all sort of knew where we were headed with it so it didn't feel like it mattered anymore. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1690.76 1691.56 Yeah 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1695.78 1695.99 Yep. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1698.12 1698.63 Yeah. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1705.43 1707.24 Huh I think it was the real. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1703.79 1705.43 Why? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1704.42 1705.38 Hey. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1708.11 1708.59 Yeah. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1710.48 1710.85 Yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1710.57 1720.07 Definitely when when I first filled out the questionnaire I was marking it probably higher in terms of how much I had to how much I stressed over it and then by the time I got to the last one I was like,
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1720.07 1721.5 you know, not very much. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1715.9 1716.37 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1720.49 1721.89 Whatever. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1721.89 1722.16 Yeah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1721.49 1721.7 Mm. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1722.22 1732.38 Think it was also realisation of you basically just copy and paste what's given to you into your presentation which uh wasn't so clear to me at the beginning. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1727.46 1728.15 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1727.88 1728.97 Very much, yeah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1731.89 1738.75 I actually didn't do that at all though, every single one I a all the presentations I either added slides or edited 'em. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1738.75 1738.94 I di 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1732.57 1732.86 Mm-hmm. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1738.77 1741.9 Oh I added like five slides too, but I 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1739.32 1741.77 See I only got blank ones. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1740.44 1740.68 Oh. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1741.97 1743.26 I just got blank ones and 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1740.89 1741.97 Did you really? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1743.27 1743.79 Really? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1742.97 1743.27 What? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1743.76 1747.37 My slides were all blank, they'd have a title maybe and they were just empty. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1745.97 1746.74 Yeah, mine too. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1747.4 1747.76 Me too. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1752.67 1755.89 This is what that looked like, literally, just like that. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1755.89 1757.28 Interesting. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1747.64 1750.5 Did they not have they didn't like uh mine yeah they didn't come like this? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1750.5 1752.67 Like with this was what it looks like. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1752.65 1754.04 Like with those words already on it? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1754.63 1755.01 No. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1754.79 1755.73 No. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1756.02 1762 I wondered why yours always looked so more complicated. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1758.53 1760.44 Uh-huh huh huh. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1759.7 1762.79 I deleted slides. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1763.17 1764.56 I think I added a slide one time. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1765.62 1771.89 I added many slides every time Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1767.04 1771.94 Hey with the whole new background being innovative, yeah that was class. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1770.48 1774.08 That was pretty cool, it was a high moment of the whole experiment. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1773.08 1776.25 Um. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1773.1 1773.37 Mm. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1775.53 1776.1 Interesting. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1781.2 1782.57 Any other thoughts come to mind? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1785.74 1788.65 I can't just leave it there. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1783.13 1785.74 I wanna know how our product would fare. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1799.29 1800.86 But you know the whole 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1788.65 1799.29 I think it would take extensive marketing, okay, an apple with a red button on top, even I am sceptical. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1785.8 1787.61 I think it would fail, I think 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1788.4 1799.04 it'd be a huge disaster, especially if it looks like that. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1801.14 1802.87 Even you. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1802.24 1803.24 Yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1802.75 1805.8 I don't we kind of designed it to look little bit like a face. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1805.85 1810.13 Yeah but 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1806.19 1809.01 I know it is. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1808.24 1809.24 It's a happy face. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1809.43 1819.19 Actually that looked a lot more like a tongue from previous to uh fr some other design uh modifications. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1810.69 1811.03 Mm. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1815.04 1815.65 Builds. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1821.17 1821.5 Mm. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1822.66 1832.61 I hope you appreciate the uh incorporation of some tin foil from a uh random Kit-Kat bar that happened to be consumed. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1827 1831.24 I I noticed that. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1831.24 1832.06 By accident. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1832.02 1834.53 Interesting. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1837.39 1840.08 An interesting day all in all I would say. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1836.68 1837.39 Well huh. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1838.8 1839.9 Yeah, it's uh 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1838.93 1840.21 Uh, yeah, I'd say so. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1840.6 1848.09 So again I reiterate my question of how different we are comp compared to the other groups, especially between culture groups and what not. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1847.78 1848.52 I know. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1848.16 1848.98 Mm, I know. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1851.98 1852.97 Mm. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1873.67 1883.01 maybe i rather than concepts i it should be th thought of we sh I I thought of I thought of rather than in terms of concepts I thought of it in terms of um like 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1853.01 1855.26 It seemed like everything flowed pretty logically. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1855.26 1864.58 You know from the the the basics to the conce although the whole concepts thing, the whole concepts phase, I don't think I really understood like the concept. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1864.58 1873.42 Well the id okay the notion of yeah I mean i it's not like I have a concept of a mug's material, it's just it is what it is. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1873.42 1873.67 You know 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1853.09 1853.85 I wanna see a 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1853.7 1853.73 I 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1856.85 1857.11 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1866 1867.55 'Cause it's such a functional item. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1873.06 1873.49 Yeah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1884.77 1887.04 proposed idea. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1887.04 1894 And then the final would be like th the actual specified prototype or whatever, I dunno. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1894 1894.28 But. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1887.07 1887.25 Mm. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1896.65 1896.78 Hmm. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1896.79 1899.59 All in all it's kinda interesting. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1898.41 1898.72 Mm. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1900.16 1901.71 So we have more slides or? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1902.3 1904.17 No just this closing one. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1904.17 1908.7 No we've established that the costs weren't really within budget, but we could s you know do it 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1908.28 1909.23 We got it to be. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1910.52 1918 We did the project evaluation based on um Sarah's evaluation of on off switches and 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1910.55 1911.48 Like cutting corners. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1916.88 1922.93 Kind of, though it was really technically an evaluation of the product, not the project in general. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1922.88 1924.02 Mm. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1924.02 1924.64 True. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1923.65 1924.27 Mm. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1923.92 1931.01 Which I'm not sure is the same thing, at the time that just i made more sense, but I could see if they were really asking about us. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1932.01 1932.63 Yeah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1936.83 1937.35 Um. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1934.87 1936.83 'Cause we di we had a thu think about it. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1939.38 1939.74 Yeah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1955.89 1959.63 like because and if and so forth, but I'll put most of it in the reports. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1944.7 1951.4 Yeah what I'm gonna I'm gonna put um I'm supposed to do this final report thing at the end so I'll put all that into the final report as well 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1951.4 1955.89 or as much as seems like maybe not like the articles and stuff,
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1943.14 1944.7 And it's all recorded, woo-hoo. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1944.7 1945.35 Yay. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1944.95 1945.29 Hmm. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1955.99 1956.34 I 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1958.51 1961.69 Make it sound eloquent. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1958.89 1962.34 It'd be so cool if we get a copy of the recording. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1963.52 1973.53 I have to done I've I've done transcription before and it's really ridiculous how many words people say like just in the middle of their sentences like that that mean nothing. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1963.21 1963.52 Oh 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1965.64 1966.6 Nice. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1970.95 1971.2 Oh yeah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1974.21 1977.02 There's a whole branch of psychology that looks into that, psycholinguistics. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 1977.11 1978.48 What the uhs and the 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1977.26 1977.55 Really. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1977.65 1981.78 There's a guy studying it here, yeah, he's studying ums and ahs or something. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1981.78 1982.12 Yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1979.75 1980.56 Filler words or? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1981.01 1982.8 Yep, they're called um disfluencies. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 1983.11 1984.06 Disfluencies. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1984.32 1985.13 That's a good word for it. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1985.94 1989.96 Yeah we like our fancy phrases and terminologies for things. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 1989.59 1991.72 Just add some prefixes, sounds classier. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1991.75 1997.36 Exactly uh I will save this into the 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 1999.99 2001.52 project documents. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 2000.41 2006.67 I find myself hitting the send and receive button on the email a lot, just out of boredom, like c come on gimme something. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2003.16 2007.83 I, yeah, pretty compulsively during meetings, like, yeah. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 2003.39 2003.6 Mm. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2003.7 2005.38 Oh yeah. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2009.29 2013.6 Well to be fair we're we're hooked we're all hooked on the internet, so I mean I do the 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2007.76 2009.29 Come on give me some information. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2005.38 2007.76 Yeah I know. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2003.45 2003.7 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2012.33 2014.26 Yeah, we are addicts. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 2015.15 2016.08 That's scary yeah? 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 2016.27 2017.02 It is scary. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2017 2017.41 Mm. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 2017.51 2019.88 Well just around that eight or or nine people that are 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2018.95 2023.69 I know, imagine we went the first ten y fifteen years of our lives without the internet. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2023.69 2026.92 It's only in the last ten that we're like where's the internet? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2026.92 2031.81 I mean, you know, it just in the past five we've gone from twenty eight eight modems to broadband all the time. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2025.44 2025.86 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2028.7 2029.14 I yeah. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 2032.4 2035.4 Dude, I think we've had internet for like eighteen years. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2032.55 2032.97 True. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2035.99 2040.05 No we have but I not in the sense that it's so un you know uh ubiquitous 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2036.34 2037.92 I yeah. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 2038.76 2039.28 Yeah. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2039.04 2044.03 But it's not regular I mean my grandparents had it in the eighties and I got it in ninety four, but still. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 2044.23 2046.11 It's crazy. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 2046.11 2046.68 So 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2045.23 2045.98 Uh-huh. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 2046.87 2047.85 In the eighties? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2048.12 2054.57 My um grammy does computer science back in the States and so they had um an E. D. U. and gov network. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2054.57 2061.82 There's basically the fundamental structures, but it wasn't uh household to household yet because it hadn't been 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2054.19 2054.6 Mm. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 2060.38 2060.62 Right. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 2062.34 2065.48 Yeah, it was to the like seven universities or something. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2063.73 2066.71 partitioned off and stuff, yeah that was him. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 2069.35 2070.94 You guys ready to celebrate? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2072.96 2073.96 Celebration. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2071.67 2072.96 Yeah that's our last step. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2071.92 2075.31 Apparently, does that include like champagne or something exciting? 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 2074.52 2075.85 Should. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2076.17 2077.04 I think so. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2080.78 2081.11 Cool. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2076.26 2080.78 'Kay I guess we can probably call that meeting to an end for the most part. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2078.96 2080.27 I think that's a closer. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 2080.83 2082.59 Has it been forty minutes or whatever? 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 2082.59 2083.39 this has been long enough. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 2084.06 2085.8 Celebrate. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2087.09 2087.92 Where do you find that? 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2088.32 2089.64 I have no idea. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 2090.32 2091.76 Is that the only song you have? 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 2091.96 2093.15 There is another one. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2093.52 2094.65 Is this one of those media player? 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 2095.69 2098.19 Yep. 
ES2009d H02 MEE035 2095.25 2095.69 Huh? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2096.98 2098.23 The default track. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2095.85 2096.98 W oh. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2098.23 2100.71 I thought it was David Burns, look into the eyeball. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2100.71 2104.48 That's one that seems to be shipping with it uh shipped with for a while, maybe this is the new version. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 2096.02 2096.64 That's awesome. 
ES2009d H01 MEE034 2097.92 2098.73 Maybe I have a different one. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2105.86 2106.73 So is that a close? 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2109.94 2110.65 Fab. 
ES2009d H00 MEE033 2107.17 2109.94 Yeah, I guess we'll call that a a doner. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2107.98 2109.71 Okay, that's the end of the meeting. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2111.09 2111.73 Thank you gentlemen. 
ES2009d H03 FEE036 2113.96 2114.9 I feel like I'm signing off. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 29.12 35.53 And I know all your names again, Courtney, Fenella and Amber. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 36.54 40.54 Okay, so first let's go through this PowerPoint. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 19.91 25.92 Hi everybody and welcome to our kick-off meeting um for our new product that we're gonna be designing. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 19.21 19.91 Okay. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 25.92 29.12 Um I'm Mandy and I'm the Project Manager. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 35.53 36.54 Alright. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 31.73 31.95 Yep. 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 35.42 36.11 Yep. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 42.08 43.59 I wonder what button I press? 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 44.6 46.26 Just do it on the arrow. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 51.76 55.12 Um we're gonna start with our opening which was our introductions. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 47.17 49.11 Yeah, or how about I just click? 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 49.11 51.76 Okay, here is our agenda for this meeting. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 55.12 57.24 We're gonna get to know each other a little bit better. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 64.76 69.2 Um we're gonna make a project plan and then have some time for discussion and close up the meeting. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 57.24 64.76 Um tool training, we're going to, I guess, figure out what to do on this project with our individual roles. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 73.04 79.13 We're gonna make a new remote control that's um original, trendy and also user-friendly. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 70.98 73.04 Okay, here is our project. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 102.11 104.67 Same thing with conceptual design. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 104.67 110.4 Just the basic overview of the project and then we're going to do individual work, meet. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 113.75 120.82 And then the detailed design, just more in-depth, get the actual schematics of the remote. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 98.88 102.11 And we're going to do individual work on that and then meet. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 110.4 113.75 That's pretty much the the whole process for today. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 84.53 93.51 And how we are going to do it is each of us is going to um We're gonna have discuss the functional design first,
ES2010a H00 FEE037 127.7 133.74 And the whiteboard thing, do you guys wanna give that a try even though the ink wasn't working or do you wanna do it on here. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 93.51 98.88 how is it gonna be used, what's the actual goal here, it has to operate T. V., blah blah blah. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 122.23 123.39 Alright. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 123.39 127.7 First we're gonna start off by using our tools. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 120.82 122.23 Okay. 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 134.9 138.44 I think we should forgo the whiteboard since we can't actually see what we're writing. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 137.09 137.4 We could 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 138.41 139.68 Yeah, we could on here. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 148.06 150.56 Even if you are not a good drawer like me. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 139.79 141.38 Alright, let's go forward then. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 150.56 150.97 Alright. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 141.38 148.06 Um right now so we're all gonna draw our favourite animal and then sum up our favourite characteristics of that animal. 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 150.57 151.96 Artistic skills, nil. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 152.12 152.49 Fine. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 152.9 153.51 Um. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 164.18 167.57 Oh, thanks. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 164.98 165.36 Bless you. 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 186.18 189.62 I draw like I'm in grade five. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 189 190.81 Oh do I. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 218.94 220.47 'Kay, about one more minute. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 241.49 242.35 Okay. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 245.6 246.36 Okay. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 246.36 247.77 And who would like to start us off? 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 249.41 250.62 I'll go. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 252.88 259.31 I drew fish I like fish, because uh, you know, their whole water-vascular system thing. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 266.73 266.91 Yeah. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 250.62 252.88 Um this is my picture. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 259.31 266.73 It's pretty cool, and um they've got a pretty good habitat and they are pretty sometimes, sometimes vicious but that's okay. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 250.15 250.39 Alright. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 265.93 269.01 Only if they're piranhas. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 268.39 270.39 Yeah, they they're easy, you know. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 272.02 272.23 Yeah. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 272.45 274.73 Alright. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 274.73 275.55 Who wants to go next? 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 279.7 283.73 It's pretty much impossible to tell that's a cat, but I love cats. 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 276.76 278.14 I'll go. 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 278.14 279.7 I drew a kitty. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 283.76 284.8 Yeah, it does look like a cat. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 282.07 283.76 No I I see it. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 282.58 283.33 No, I kne I knew. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 283.02 284.02 No, it looks like a cat. 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 285.36 291.79 I love cats because they're independent, uh they pretty much know what they want, they get it, they move on. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 295.37 296.08 I'm a cat person. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 294.06 295.37 I love cats, too. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 295.31 295.54 Yeah. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 296.33 299.1 I'm allergic to cats. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 299.1 299.85 Oh, okay. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 297.63 297.95 Ah. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 297.74 298.73 Uh. 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 297.77 300.08 I'm allergic to cats, too. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 303.54 307.41 but if she was around my cat forever she became used to it, you know, it's weird. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 300 303.54 If you're around one I had a roommate who was um allergic,
ES2010a H02 FEE039 300.08 301.05 In my next life. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 306.05 308.39 Yeah, yeah, if you're around them for a long period of time 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 308.39 310.04 I still can't sleep with them in my room. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 308.64 310.32 Okay. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 315.35 315.47 Yeah. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 310.45 313.72 Oh, yeah, this summer I, oh I had to live with cats. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 313.72 315.35 It was crazy. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 315.43 316.32 Okay, Fenella? 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 316.29 318.55 Um, I drew a badger. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 318.79 320.66 Cool. 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 318.99 319.98 Yay. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 319.36 320.79 Badger. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 321.69 322.45 Why a badger? 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 320.79 321.69 Good choice. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 319.56 321.85 Well, yeah. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 321.85 322.13 Uh 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 323.02 327.4 I dunno, they're grumpy and nocturnal and 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 325.8 328.19 Are you trying to suggest something? 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 330.37 331.3 Um. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 335.09 338.14 Yeah and then uh I don't know if you know Brian. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 331.3 335.09 And then, if you know Wind in the Willows badger. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 328.87 330.37 Well, a little bit like the Yes. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 338.14 339.92 He's Liverpudlian writer. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 334.44 335.14 Oh, okay. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 340.16 340.52 Alright. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 344.48 347 Badgers are cool in that one too. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 340.77 344.48 Um, that kind of books. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 395.45 402.57 And um our production cost to make that profit is gonna be a max of twelve fifty Euro per remote. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 376.81 379.13 Guess we're getting straight back into business here. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 372.77 376.09 Okay. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 347.08 348.14 Okay. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 370.53 372.77 Yeah, but you can appreciate the way they look. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 360.14 362.85 They're just such odd creatures, you know. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 348.14 349.86 And I'm last. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 379.13 388.9 Um the selling price for our remote is going to be twenty-five Euro, and our profit aim is fifty million Euro. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 376.09 376.81 Alright. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 349.86 350.27 'Kay. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 388.9 395.45 We're going to make this an international product marketed in the States, in Europe, in Asia. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 350.27 352.67 Look at my sad sad giraffe. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 368.96 370.53 Only seen a couple in zoos. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 366.41 368.96 I don't know much about their behaviour or anything, though. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 352.67 356.11 No, no, no, it ends up looking like some kind of a dinosaur, but whatever. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 356.11 360.14 I don't know even much about giraffes, but I just love the way they look. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 362.85 366.41 I I like that they're so unique and individual, I guess. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 351.72 352.71 No, that's good. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 369.49 371.74 You don't really have to, I mean, if you like 'em 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 411.97 415.46 Um here are some topics that we might be able to discuss. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 415.46 424.9 Expe our experiences with remote controls um, our first ideas about this new remote, anything that you can bring to the table for this project. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 408.26 410.16 Okay. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 410.16 411.97 So we're gonna talk for a little while. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 424.9 425.11 So. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 426.25 426.58 Now? 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 427.25 428.27 Yeah. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 428.27 429.45 You wanna start us off? 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 429.45 430.65 Anybody have anything to offer? 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 431.02 433.87 Well, we wanna make a multifunctional remote, right? 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 433.87 435.36 One remote for everything. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 433.56 433.79 Right. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 436.05 448.28 And everything being Wait, we have what, sound system, T. V., D. V. D., V. H. S., uh TiVo? 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 436.08 436.25 Right. 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 438.49 439.47 Um. 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 447.12 449.58 I think they'll be phasing V. H. S. out shortly. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 448.29 449 Yeah, TiVo. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 449.46 450.2 TiVo. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 450.55 451.9 But it's still there, so 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 452.21 452.52 Okay. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 452.8 454.25 if po if we're gonna do it 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 455.01 458.36 It needs to be compatible 'cause universal remote controls are never universal. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 469.36 470.07 Yeah. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 470.07 471.11 Something from Sam's club. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 459.3 459.74 That's right. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 459.74 469.36 Esp e especially if you buy a a not big product, D. V. D. player, say, usually it doesn't work if it's not one of the Yeah. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 458 459.3 They're never universal. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 466.69 469.66 Or if it's not like a Sony, if it's like a I don't know. 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 470.11 475.17 So we'll have to figure it how to cover all the different variances in signals. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 475.48 475.73 Yeah. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 475.51 482.32 And what we need an insanely good instruction booklet, because you always have to reconfigure all your contraptions to go with the remote anyways. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 480.05 480.33 Yeah. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 493.03 499.15 If it's just flat and kind of boring th those don't Nobody wants to buy those any more. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 501.07 502.19 Yeah. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 485.41 493.03 'Kay, and um another thing that I think is important is the d the design of the product, how it feels in your hand. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 502.19 506.81 Ones that ones that look high-tech, too. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 499.15 501.07 They want the ergonomic ones. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 500.13 501.59 They want like the flashy lights. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 501.59 503.69 Oh like this came from Las Vegas. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 506.87 508.08 But at the same time are simple. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 508.25 508.7 Mm yeah. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 510.2 511.88 So that people like my mother can use it. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 508.27 510.2 Right. 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 510.44 514.2 What about something with the curvature like that matches the curvature of a hand? 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 514.44 514.63 Yeah. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 519.45 520.36 'Kay. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 520.36 523.74 Anybody have any experiences with remote controls that they can remember that 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 524.01 525.84 Just bad ones. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 526.21 528.05 That's true. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 525.12 526.21 Yeah. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 527.14 527.6 Um. 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 531.21 534.59 Because battery changing is usually Okay. 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 529.05 531.21 What kinda battery would we want to use? 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 531.64 531.91 D 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 532.77 533.34 Double A. . 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 533.4 534.03 Double A. . 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 535.52 537.33 Do some of them use triple A. s though? 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 537.37 538.58 Yeah some use triple A. s. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 538.58 540.01 So double or triple? 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 538.54 539.47 Some but 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 538.79 539.04 Okay. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 540.52 542.12 Yeah, I guess then it's 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 543.78 547.45 If we need to do triple A. we can, but most people usually have double A. s around. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 548.17 549.5 Yeah. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 552.01 554.52 Well, w as long as we know that issue is 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 549.5 552.01 But that has to do with the size of it too. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 547.7 548.17 Okay. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 551.46 551.7 Right. 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 551.86 552.09 Yeah. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 555.25 558.21 Yeah, if we want it to be more thin, then we'd probably wanna go with a triple A. . 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 555.62 556.46 Here we can 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 567.79 569.28 Anything else? 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 567.25 567.79 Hey. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 559.07 567.25 But it's okay, we don't have to decide about it now, just as long as we remember battery type and size is important. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 557.86 559.07 Triple A. 
ES2010a H01 FEE038 558.92 560.91 Can you with a small lithium battery? 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 574.58 575 Alright. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 575 575.82 Moving along. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 577.2 579.4 Oh, we're closing the meeting. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 593.13 596.53 What do you think that means? 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 579.4 582.08 Next meeting is gonna start in thirty minutes. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 584.04 587 Um the I. D., which is who? 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 587 593.13 Okay, you're going to think about the working design. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 582.08 584.04 Here's what we're going to do. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 599.2 603.67 And U. I. D., the technical fun functions design,
ES2010a H00 FEE037 598.5 599.2 Okay. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 603.67 609.74 making sure it does everything that we need the remote to do, the functionality of it, operating all those different things. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 610.49 617.94 And the marketing person, that's Courtney, is going to do the user requirements specification. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 609.74 610.49 Okay. 
ES2010a H02 FEE039 600.59 601.8 Mm-hmm. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 626.29 627.14 Right? 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 619.14 626.29 I guess that means specifying um what exactly the user is going to be looking for. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 633.45 636.28 Okay, so does anybody have anything they wanna say before we close the meeting? 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 627.14 627.89 I would think so. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 628.62 633.45 And you're gonna get more specific instructions emailed to you in just a little while. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 627.89 628.62 Okay. 
ES2010a H03 FEE040 626.79 627.17 Right. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 639.63 640.77 This meeting is officially over. 
ES2010a H00 FEE037 638.14 639.63 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 86.61 88.79 Um welcome to our second meeting. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 94.67 96.99 Okay, let's get started. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 99.07 102.67 After the opening um I am going to 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 91.33 94.67 And I hope you all had a good individual working time. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 85.33 86.61 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 96.99 99.07 Okay, here's the agenda for the meeting. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 88.79 91.33 This is the functional design meeting. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 119.75 122.27 And we're gonna do this all in about forty minutes. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 103.99 107.18 fulfil the role of secretary, take the meeting minutes. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 112.78 117.2 Um gonna come to a decision on the functions of the remote control. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 107.18 109.94 And we're gonna have three presentations, one from each of you. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 109.94 112.78 Then we're gonna discuss some new project requirements. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 117.2 119.75 And then we're gonna close up the meeting. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 144.21 149.22 what actually is it supposed to do, what do people pick up the remote and use it for. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 124.65 127.45 First I want to discuss the goals of this meeting. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 127.45 137.96 First we need to determine the user requirements and the question that we can ask ourselves is what needs and desires are to be fulfilled by this remote control. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 137.96 144.21 And then we're going to determine the technical functions, what is the effect of the apparatus,
ES2010b H00 FEE037 123.43 124.65 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 151.69 159.07 And then lastly we're going to determine its working design, how exactly will it perform its functions, that's the whole technical side of 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 162.57 165.94 'Kay I'll just give you a minute, 'cause it looks like you're making some notes. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 169.82 170.16 'Kay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 179.35 185.25 So what I wanna do right now is hear from all three of you, on your research that you just did. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 172.44 179.35 Oh, well let's go ahead and, back, previous. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 185.25 186.19 Who would like to start us off? 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 190.18 191.25 I don't mind going first. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 190.3 190.56 'Kay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 193.04 194.89 Um do you have a PowerPoint or no? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 191.61 193.04 Okay. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 194.88 197.2 Yeah, it's in the should be in the m Project. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 196.58 196.91 Okay. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 196.88 198.49 Do you want us to do our PowerPoints now or 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 198.23 201.1 You know you could you could do it yourself actually. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 201.34 201.67 Oh. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 201.8 202.55 Did you send it? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 205 205.25 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 203.16 205 Save it in the project documents. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 203.24 204.98 Put it in Project Documents, yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 212.33 212.76 Mm-mm-mm. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 217.03 218.95 This one? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 218.95 219.66 Okay. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 218.2 218.6 Sure. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 222.15 222.4 Yeah. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 225.64 226.07 Great. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 224.63 225.64 Okay. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 224.9 225.26 Okay. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 239.73 244.57 switch it on, switch it off, go to this channel, go to channel nine, turn the volume up, etcetera. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 235.25 239.73 is basically to send messages to the television set, for example,
ES2010b H02 FEE039 228.64 235.25 Um well, the function of a remote control, as what uh we've been informed,
ES2010b H02 FEE039 255.98 260.57 you know, zero to nine, so you can move to a channel, the power button on slash off, 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 249.35 255.98 Um some of the considerations is just um for example the what it needs to include it's the numbers,
ES2010b H02 FEE039 263.45 265.26 the channel going up and down, 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 266.77 268.81 volume going up and down, and then mute, 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 270.47 271.99 a mute function. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 281.83 285.18 And then other menus for D. V. as well as T. V. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 285.18 292.75 whether that means like um we can go and decide the brightness of the screen, things like that, all the more complicated functions of menus. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 278.3 281.83 And enter would be for like, you know, the menus. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 271.99 278.3 And then functions for V. H. S., D. V. D., for example, play, rewind, fast-forward, stop, pause, enter. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 298.82 301.82 if that's something that would stay on the T. V. itself, for example. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 294.88 298.82 And we can decide if that's what we want,, um if we want to include that on the remote,
ES2010b H00 FEE037 297.36 297.58 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 302.07 302.33 Okay. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 323.82 330.01 And then on the right, it's a lot more simpler, it's got volume, it's got the play the like circle set, which is play,
ES2010b H02 FEE039 309.19 314.01 and I don't know if you can read it, but it says, step, go to, freeze,
ES2010b H02 FEE039 330.01 335.55 rewind, but it's also what is fast-forward is also like next on a menu. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 303.39 305.17 These are two examples. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 305.17 309.19 Um and you can see on the left, it's got a lot more buttons,
ES2010b H02 FEE039 335.55 338.37 So you have functions that are d uh duplicating. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 314.01 323.82 um slow, repeat, program, mute, and so those are some of the buttons and so it gives you an idea of s one example. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 339.16 339.31 Right. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 339.51 342.74 And you have a mute button and then the numbers and the eject, and the power button. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 342.74 346.32 So that gives you two different kinds, a more complex and more simple version. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 347.71 348.03 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 348.22 348.76 Ready. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 349.46 355.09 And then lastly, it's just the questions that we want to consider like what functions do we want it to include,
ES2010b H02 FEE039 365.73 369.92 that's something that also has to be considered and it's gonna be hopefully a one-time thing 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 361.82 365.73 Uh, what are needed to complete insulation process, 'cause, you know 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 358.45 361.82 And what functions it needs to complete. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 369.92 372.02 when you set it up it should be set to go 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 372.02 376.08 but we have to include the functions that can allow it to set up i in the first place. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 355.09 358.45 and how simple, complex it should be? 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 378.79 379.38 So that's it. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 389.31 391.31 Who would like to um follow that one up? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 381.65 382.91 Very good presentation. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 383.29 388.01 You speak with such authority on the matter. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 380.73 381.65 Alright. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 388.01 389.31 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 382.91 383.29 Thank you. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 386.9 388.1 Mm. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 388.1 388.51 Left. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 394.27 396.77 Do you want me to run it or you wanna Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 392.53 394.27 Now, that we've discussed Okay. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 392.84 393.38 I can go. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 395.72 396.5 Yeah, you should run it. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 402.8 402.88 'Kay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 400.66 402.8 Functional requirements. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 401.88 403.13 Mm yes. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 411.2 414.03 Now we have Courtney with the functional requirements. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 410.72 411.2 Alright. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 431.39 439.16 Eighty percent want they've are willing to spend more, which is good news for us um if we make it look fancier,
ES2010b H03 FEE040 452.01 457.05 And we need we need it to be simple, yet it needs to be high-tech looking. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 457.05 457.48 So 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 423.73 429.23 and we found that the users are not typically happy with current remote controls. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 414.01 423.73 Yes, okay so we tested a hundred subjects in our lab, and we just we watched them and we also made them fill out a questionnaire 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 449.26 452.01 So that's really what we need to do. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 429.23 431.39 Seventy five percent think they're ugly. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 439.16 449.26 and basically w we just need something that really I mean there's some other points up there, but they it needs to be snazzy and it but yet simple. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 449.71 451.6 Wait. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 457.28 458.84 And that meaning what? 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 458.8 459.18 Like 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 463.66 463.9 Yeah. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 460.24 463.66 They like I guess use the buttons a lot. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 463.22 463.68 Okay. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 465.48 466.47 I don't know. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 466.47 467.92 It's from my uh research. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 468.57 468.8 Right. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 469.05 471.67 Okay, what do you m Oh, I'm sorry. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 471.67 479.29 What do you mean by um the current remote controls do not match well with the operating behaviour of the user, like they have to press the buttons. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 471.33 471.71 That's okay. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 469.32 471.33 My team wasn't very clear. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 470.04 471.62 Only use ten percent of the buttons. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 491.7 493.37 because they only use ten percent of the buttons really. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 481.52 491.7 whereas like the engineering she showed that the engineering ones are more complex and users don't really need all of the buttons that are contained on there 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 478.2 481.52 I I think it's like the engineering versus user 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 481 481.2 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 485.84 486.33 Oh, right. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 489.22 490.03 The buttons. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 491.46 491.58 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 493.35 494.56 Yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 494.56 494.93 Okay. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 494.66 497.06 We only use ten per cent of our brains. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 499.02 499.99 It's a necessary evil. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 497.14 499.02 Good point. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 500.83 501.57 Ready for the next slide? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 498.23 500.83 It works. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 500.03 500.69 yeah. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 510.38 517.91 much like any small appliance like a cellphone, and they we need something simple, because most people 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 523.01 528.01 and we don't want to go we don't want to vary too far from the normal standard remote,
ES2010b H03 FEE040 501.54 502.94 Mm-hmm. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 502.94 510.38 And so people say that they typically lose it, as you yourself know, because you probably lose your remote control all the time,
ES2010b H03 FEE040 528.01 533.15 but I mean they do need to be able to identify it, and R. S. I., I'm not very sure what that is. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 517.91 523.01 well thirty four percent say that it's just too much time to learn how to use a new one 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 510.27 510.39 Hmm. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 511.75 512.13 Lost. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 526.53 526.75 S 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 534.34 535.79 It's very important. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 533.41 534.34 It's okay. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 534.35 536.98 Yes, it is important for the remote control world. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 536.87 538.59 Wait, is that like your 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 539.83 542.05 ergonomics like your hand movements or something? 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 539.88 540.09 Sh 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 542.4 543.28 Could be, yeah. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 542.92 543.89 Uh possibly. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 545 548.78 Do we really need t to provide more information on what R. S. I. is? 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 547.55 549.01 Like 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 549.01 549.94 Oh. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 549.01 550.86 Uh yeah, that's what my web site said, I 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 551.27 551.94 Channel, volume, power. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 551.94 552.46 don't know. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 551.97 553.5 I think that's a pretty good guess though. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 553.62 555.44 Yeah, I would assume so. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 561.37 572.04 the volume and the power buttons are the most important on our company website you can find like the specific statistics concerning to how much each button is used 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 555.44 559.08 I think we're supposed to know it as remote control experts. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 572.04 574.19 but those are the definitely the top ones. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 559.08 561.37 But also s so the channel 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 555.58 556.86 It's like if you're holding it 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 558.85 559.57 Yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 559.57 561.09 It's okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 575.98 576.54 Next slide? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 574.64 575.98 Okay. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 576.3 576.72 Yes. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 583.67 595.04 So saying from y your slide, your presentation, the engineering versus the user-specified remotes, I think that we should go with something that's more user-friendly. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 577.86 583.67 And so personally I think that we need a modern eye-catching design, but it it really needs to be simple. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 600.42 608.28 Um the functionality of the product really needs to be considered as to like what type of buttons do we really need on it. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 595.04 600.42 Where the engineering ones, the boxes, tend to make it look more complicated than it really is. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 593.76 594.35 User-friendly. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 614.63 620.6 we also need to take in like are most people going to be using it for a D. V. D. player,
ES2010b H03 FEE040 608.66 614.63 And it needs to be open to a wide range of consumers, so even though we need a small number of buttons 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 626.69 632.5 So we need a hip, but not a corny marketing scheme for promoting our product. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 632.5 641.38 And also we found our team found that speech recognition is it's like an up-and-coming thing they really consumers are really interested in it 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 620.6 626.69 a TiVo, what what exactly are we using it for, as well as the age range. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 641.38 649.79 and since our findings found that people are willing to pay more money for a remote for it to be more high-class we could consider it. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 648.58 655.22 And so just to just to clarify by speech recognition you mean they would say, channel five, and the thing would go to channel five? 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 654.37 655.27 I guess so, yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 656.82 657.58 Okay. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 657.68 661.19 to just say, where are you, and thing beeps, you know. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 660.32 662.46 Oh, that'd be lovely. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 660.39 667.45 Yeah, I guess we can interpret it like, we can just try out different types of speech recognition within our remote programme. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 664.52 664.71 Yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 666.64 675.97 Didn't they um didn't our rival companies manufacture a remote that you would press the button on the T. V. and it would the remote would beep so if you have lost it 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 675.14 677.1 It's kinda like what the remote phone used to do. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 679.56 681.37 We could definitely include that if we wanted to. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 678.05 679.56 Oh, yeah, that's true. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 677.27 678.05 Mm. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 678.74 682.01 You know like go to the base. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 682.01 682.3 Yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 685.99 687.93 Are we ready for our last presentation, Amber? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 684.85 685.99 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 682.66 684.85 If it's within our price. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 688.21 690.13 Yeah, I'm just trying to move it. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 689.63 689.96 Okay. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 698.8 699.15 'Kay. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 699.15 701.74 I think it should be there, working design. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 700.7 701.5 Working design. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 702.55 703.07 There we go. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 705.03 705.83 'Kay. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 706.78 714.92 Uh I didn't get a chance to complete this one, 'cause some of the tools that I was given were frustrating. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 714.92 724.69 Uh okay, so method method of our design, I think I just start listing th some of the things that we actually need to put into this. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 729.82 733.92 Um extra functions will probably need an additional chip. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 706.11 706.78 'Kay. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 733.92 737.73 Either that or the smart chip will have to be extremely smart. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 724.69 729.82 We need a power source, we're gonna need a smart chip if we're gonna make it multi-functional. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 708.14 709.12 Oh my bad. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 713.92 714.38 Oh that's fine. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 715.22 715.5 Help me. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 739.73 741.12 What exactly is a smart chip? 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 741.46 749.17 Usually a smart chip is just a chip that's been programmed and designed so that it can complete a fair range of functions. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 752.46 754.61 Is that gonna push us over our production costs? 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 749.57 752.46 Well, how much extra would the additional chip be? 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 754.98 761.81 I wouldn't think so, 'cause we could probably get it from like, in bulk, from a a newer company. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 761.81 763.72 And they tend to sell their chips pretty cheap. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 761.45 761.73 Mm-hmm. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 763.96 764.83 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 765.78 766.11 Ready? 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 765.86 768.27 Um yep, nothing here. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 768.55 769.36 That's okay. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 781.31 785.82 Uh it really kinda depends on the size of the actual remote itself. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 770.32 776.06 Um power source, I figured, batteries, 'cause they're easily available. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 776.06 781.31 Typically a remote has either two double A. s or four triple A. s, sometimes three. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 785.82 797.13 Um a large on-off button, demographically we're moving towards an older generation of people, so a large on-off button would probably be good. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 797.13 806.38 Selection button for various entertainment devices, so you want something that will permit you to select the D. V. D. player or the T. V. or the stereo system. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 796.98 797.09 Hmm. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 807.92 813.92 Um smart chip that perverts uh that permits, sorry, universal application again, 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 821.43 826.21 Uh this is my fifty second design. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 815.21 821.43 something that'll allow us to skip over between devices, and that's kinda it. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 835.52 849.45 Um extra bulb could just be for flashiness, um subcomponent which would be like a way of diverting the power to different parts of the the device. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 827.97 830.56 Power source over here. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 830.56 835.52 We're gonna have a switch obviously between the power source and the rest of it, and you're gonna need the switch. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 849.45 855.56 Um the chip and of course the infra-red bulb, so it can communicate with the various devices that it needs to talk to. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 855.91 859.7 So what exactly we are looking at, is this like the front of the remote? 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 858.39 860.82 This is just like a rough schematic. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 860.82 862.62 So this is the internal workings. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 862.81 865.5 So the red would be the front of the remote though, right? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 865.5 865.76 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 860.82 862.81 So this would be the front? 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 862.96 863.38 Oh okay. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 864.92 865.32 Yeah. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 865.43 868.88 Yeah, that's gonna be what's communicating with the T. V., but the other bulb, I think,
ES2010b H02 FEE039 868.88 873.67 is good to just to indicate, I'm doing something, it's sort of like a reassurance. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 872.56 876.27 The l the light up kind of Yeah. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 872.84 874.49 Like that we know the battery's working. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 873.32 878.88 Yeah, so you don't have to stare at that infra-red, 'cause you know when the battery starts dying in your remote currently,
ES2010b H01 FEE038 878.88 884.4 you have to actually stare at that bulb and go, okay, when I push this button, is it working? 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 884.4 886.12 We can skip that whole thing. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 886.12 886.36 Yep. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 881.84 882.03 Hmm. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 883.68 884.13 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 883.99 885.88 It'd probably be lighting up the key too, right? 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 886.26 886.61 Yeah. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 886.58 886.83 Yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 886.74 887 'Kay. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 887.85 889.97 So you can put it in the dark. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 888.56 889.05 The buttons. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 891.49 893.66 We should make it glow in the dark. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 890.18 891.49 Yeah, and that's good. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 891.51 891.85 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 893.88 895.46 'Kay nex R Ready? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 892.93 893.88 Yeah, definitely. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 895.48 896.2 Yeah, that's it. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 896.57 898.43 'Kay, any p 'Kay? 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 897.85 898.13 Mm 'kay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 899.99 905.4 Anything you wanna add for personal preferences though, you f you said already that we needed a large on-off button, you think. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 905.4 905.9 Anything else? 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 905.33 909.63 I think that that's a good idea, because you know that's one of the most important buttons. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 908.58 909.17 Just 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 909.95 910.21 Okay. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 915.25 919.11 So should we try and go for something that has l larger buttons? 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 910.18 915.25 Well, should it be larger buttons in general, you know like uh the examples that I had, they were swi quite small. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 919.96 925.01 Like I think that would be in a as in like in for the design, sorry, um. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 925.01 929.85 I think we should definitely go with buttons that don't look like a normal remote, 'cause most remotes have small square buttons 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 919.19 919.96 I think we should. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 929.85 933.47 I think we should do something like maybe bigger and round like bubbles. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 929.78 929.93 Mm. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 931.26 931.72 Ovals. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 932.87 933.53 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 933.96 935.27 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 935.27 937.16 Okay, let's talk about all of our 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 953.59 955.29 Wait, come back. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 938.74 947.38 We'll come to decision later about all the components that we need to include, let's um wrap up this one, and I'm gonna go back to my PowerPoint 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 947.38 953.59 'cause we need to discuss the new project requirements which you might've already seen flashed up on the screen a bit earlier. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 960.9 961.45 Alright. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 958.7 960.9 Sorry, let's go through this. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 961.45 962.68 Here we go. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 957.47 958.7 Alright. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 967.11 970.43 We're trying not to over-complicate things. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 963.99 967.11 First it's only going to be a T. V. remote. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 970.43 972.93 So no D. V. D., no TiVo, no stereo. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 962.68 963.99 New product requirements. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 972.93 974.25 It's not gonna be multi-functional. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 971.96 973.07 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 977.29 978.23 Hey. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 978.23 985.95 And we th need to promote our company more, so we need to somehow include our colour and our company slogan on the remote. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 987.64 992.05 We're trying to get our name out there in the world. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 992.05 992.59 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 992.59 995.05 And you know what teletext is? 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 995.73 995.89 Yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 996.44 1003.13 in States we don't have it, but um it's like they just have this channel where just has news and weather, kind of sports,
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1003.13 1010.99 it's very um bland looking, it's just text on the screen, not even Yeah, just black with just text. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 997.94 998.46 I know. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 997.96 998.4 What is it? 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1007.52 1009.68 Yeah, it's like black, black and white kind of 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1010.36 1011.85 Like running along the bottom? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1011.93 1012.39 Yeah. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1012.23 1015.29 You can also get the kind of the T. V. guide so 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1012.39 1014.9 It'll give you the sports. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1015.24 1019.48 Wait, is it like the Weather Channel where it's got like the ticker running on the bottom or something? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1018.76 1019.29 Kind of. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1018.84 1020.67 Except the entire screen. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1025 1025.55 Seemingly. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1020.31 1025 It's the entire screen is just running information at random. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1020.71 1021.76 Yeah it's the whole screen. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1024.44 1028.08 You can pick sports, you can pick the news, you entertainment, you know it's like 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1024.59 1025.05 So anyway 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1028.02 1030.22 So it's like a separate channel from like what you're watching? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1041.97 1043.03 Alright. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1036.55 1041.97 and we have twenty four hour news channels now too, so Those are our new product requirements. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1028.46 1029.58 Right. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1029.58 1030.48 Right. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1030.48 1032.81 But it's becoming out-dated now, because of the Internet. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1043.03 1043.27 Mm-hmm. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1032.81 1036.55 Nobody needs to go to the teletext channel to check the news,
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1030.39 1030.63 Yeah. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1041.46 1041.81 Okay. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1041.96 1045.67 So, do we have to include the company colour within that? 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1041.75 1041.96 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1046.94 1048.66 It's part of the logo. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1045.97 1046.94 Yes. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1050.59 1050.94 Okay. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1051.03 1053.07 Company colour being yellow. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1067.7 1069.58 So. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1059.02 1067.7 about um the target group and the functions and just definite things that we need to do and then we'll close up the meeting. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1069.58 1071.26 Alright. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1053.74 1059.02 What we're going to do right now is come to some decisions, definitive that we can all agree on 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1073.9 1075.83 Whatever. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1077.42 1078.11 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1094.15 1100.57 Because I think even if something has large buttons, as long as they are not childishly large, like even technically 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1091.47 1094.15 Would it just be universal for everyone, you think? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1085.32 1091.47 So our target group is You mentioned um older people? 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1091.02 1091.43 Mm-hmm. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1097.22 1098.58 It's gonna make it nicer. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1099.77 1100.14 Yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1104.97 1107.16 I mean they want something user-friendly, so 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1102.32 1104.97 non-technically challenged people are gonna use it. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1116.17 1122.89 'cause they're saying they only use ten per cent of them, then we should be able to accommodate fairly decent sized buttons. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1106.93 1110.5 Mm well, even if we kept the regular standard size of remote 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1110.5 1116.17 if we reduced the buttons down to the ones that people are saying that they use the most often and a couple extra,
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1116.2 1116.45 Yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1118.31 1119.29 Yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1128.24 1133.08 I mean, young and old, all age ranges, all um, not kids obviously, right? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1123.08 1128.24 Okay, so we want um for our target group would we say,
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1134.15 1134.69 Or kids? 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1135.13 1138.58 No, kids need to know how to use a remote, I would think. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1138.58 1141.57 They gotta change between Disney Channel, Cartoon Network. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1137.63 1139.68 Most of them will intuitively pick it up though. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1141.29 1150.38 Okay, so we're going to go anywhere from kids to adult in the age range Um what about 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1143.4 1144.8 Yeah, I think we need it all. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1151.88 1158.66 technic technical um specifications, like how how technically literate are these people who are going to be using our remote? 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1159.54 1163.17 Um I would say we should say dumber than the average person. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1163.32 1165.23 We should go for the lowest denominator. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1163.35 1163.6 Okay. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1165.28 1165.72 Yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1165.99 1167.18 Right, okay. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1167.82 1169.13 High school educated. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1167.89 1171.53 So so they need no technical experience to operate 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1170.85 1176.45 how 'bout little to no, because there is no way that you are gonna be able to make it no. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1196.92 1205.39 So we said it needs to send messages to the T. V., needs to change the channel, turn on and off, just basic simple stuff like this. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1189.93 1190.47 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1205.39 1210.04 So if you have something just say it and we'll add it to my meeting minutes. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1190.47 1196.92 And we also need to determine the specific functions of this, just to get it all out on paper. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1213.14 1217.33 Well it's channel, on-off button, volume, mute. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1215.18 1216.66 Mm-hmm, volume. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1218.22 1219.08 Yeah. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1217.3 1218.22 And channel. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1219.08 1220.4 Those are the most important ones. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1225.67 1227.9 Correct, because people only use ten percent. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1221.25 1225.67 And we wanna keep um I'll make a note here that we wanna keep the number of buttons down. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1227.9 1228.1 'Kay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1220.52 1221.25 Right. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1227.34 1227.6 Yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1233.23 1234.1 Hey, what else? 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1233.51 1233.96 Um. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1242.33 1243.7 Um. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1244.83 1249.54 Do we want this thing to be able to be found easily? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1251.01 1251.4 What do you 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1249.75 1251.01 I think so. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1252.7 1253.22 Sure, yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1254.44 1258.51 A finding kind of device or Yeah, ho homing device. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1254.98 1255.33 And 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1255.46 1257.66 I need we we need a like homing device. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1256.4 1263.2 like if this is gonna get lost underneath the coach, how are we going to accommodate the quick ability to find it? 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1257.05 1258.03 Oh right yeah okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1262.17 1262.67 Mm 'kay. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1262.76 1263.28 Tracking. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1266.67 1272.16 Because people really are looking for a remote that's more high-tech. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1266.71 1267.21 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1272.39 1272.85 Right. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1280.63 1284.99 you push the button to find it, and it finds th the phone beeps for you. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1272.43 1274.36 What if we gave it a charger? 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1274.36 1280.63 And on the charger, just like a phone, like you get a portable phone and it's got a charger, and if you d leave your phone somewhere,
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1278.21 1278.89 But you got a base. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1283.84 1285.27 Do you think people'll really go for that though? 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1286.86 1287.15 Because 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1287.01 1288.86 It's useful for the remote phone. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1289.92 1291.02 Hmm. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1291.02 1292.89 Would that add to our costs at all, I wonder? 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1290.13 1290.54 Yeah. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1293.44 1295.58 I would think so, because you'd have to develop a base. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1295.61 1295.89 Right. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1295.92 1300.01 Well, if you have the base, you could start putting in a charger and then you have a different kind of battery. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1300.31 1300.71 Yeah. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1302.77 1303.45 Hmm. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1303.44 1306.09 Rechargeable batteries are cheaper usually. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1306.11 1306.65 Yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1307.6 1308.06 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1310.36 1313.03 Uh we'll still put that as a point that we need to discuss. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1308.06 1310.36 I I think we can make a decision about that later. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1313.03 1315.05 So that would include battery source 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1317.25 1319.3 Power source rather. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1325.72 1331.23 And we also need to deal with the issue you mentioned of speech recognition, if we want that. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1319.3 1325.72 Is it going to have a charger, or is it going to be run strictly off batteries? 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1329.33 1329.81 Right. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1331.65 1331.9 Do w 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1331.76 1341.28 Well, then we could If we have the speech recognition then we can start aiming at a like another kind of more handicapped disabled uh demo demographic. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1339.75 1339.95 Mm. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1341.71 1350.52 Well, th there's the people who desire speech recognition, there's the different demog demographics have different desires, I don't know if you guys ge 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1350.93 1353.74 You could um we could hook it up. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1353.74 1354.25 Oh. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1352.46 1360.44 It wouldn't copy onto the the thing 'cause it's black, but all the different age groups have different desires for speech recognition. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1360.44 1364.07 So basically older people don't really care. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1370.66 1373.72 They're the ones that get addicted to soap operas and 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1367.91 1370.66 I feel those are the people that really watch a lot of T. V. though. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1365.28 1367.91 It's really the people twenty five to thirty five. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1370.47 1370.72 Mm-hmm. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1375.09 1375.37 Well 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1375.11 1380.44 And if and if we introduced it when they're this age, they're going to probably always buy a remote that has 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1375.15 1376.32 just sitcoms and stuff. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1379.67 1379.91 Right. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1381.04 1381.24 So 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1392.46 1397.11 whereas if you just speak in general and you don't have to have the remote in your hand and like talk at it. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1381.06 1386.42 Well, then then do you put the voice recognition do you put the r like receiver on the actual television,
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1388.28 1392.46 'cause then you've already got remote in your hand, why you just gonna speak to the remote 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1386.42 1388.28 in the base, or in the actual remote,
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1391.76 1392.27 Right. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1402.89 1405.68 If we said, find remote, locate remote, or something. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1398.2 1402.89 and the speech recognition could be part of the lost and found device, too. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1397.39 1398.2 Yeah. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1403.18 1403.45 Right. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1407.1 1408.05 A certain phrase 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1408.98 1410.4 then it could beep. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1411.66 1412.55 Just throwing it out there. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1410.4 1411.66 I dunno. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1412.79 1413.02 Yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1417.89 1420.17 Well 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1422.71 1424.36 Still fifteen minutes. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1428.07 1428.71 Um. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1428.16 1430.09 Okay, anything else we wanna discuss? 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1435.4 1436.87 Can we conceive of leaving them out? 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1431 1435.4 Well, do we wanna include the numbers like zero through nine? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1438.71 1439.39 Um. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1439.2 1440.37 Wait, on the remote itself? 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1440.34 1443.47 Yeah, like you have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, zero. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1443.57 1444.8 Well, we definitely need those. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1443.69 1445.8 How how, yeah, how would you leave those out? 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1445.03 1445.53 Yeah. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1446.26 1451.45 Well, I don't know, I mean, if you can like well I don't know, if there's just a way of leaving them out? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1449.61 1450.93 Unless you could say the channel. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1451.8 1453.43 I think people would find that too foreign. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1453.73 1454.73 Yeah. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1454.73 1455.78 You definitely need 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1454.88 1460.69 And also remember that in this day in age we need, you know, like a hundred button, too. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1460.69 1465.23 I used to have a remote that did not even go up past like fifty. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1465.23 1468.01 So I couldn't whenever I got cable, I had to get a new T. V. . 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1454.12 1454.88 Yeah, that's true. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1470.14 1471.51 It's when we get satellite. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1472.94 1476.07 get your own remote, or digital cable. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1471.92 1472.94 Mm. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1476.07 1476.64 'Kay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1476.64 1478.31 Um. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1474.98 1475.53 Yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1489.78 1490.75 Um. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1480.8 1489.78 I guess, we're gonna discuss the project financing later, making sure that we can fit all of the stuff that we want to on our budget. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1493.65 1497.66 Yeah, 'cause I don't have any material pricing information available to me at the moment, so 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1498.42 1500.94 And don't forget we need to include the colour 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1497.82 1498.42 'Kay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1502.32 1503.97 of our company and the logo. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1504.21 1506.4 The colour being yellow? 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1504.38 1504.84 Wait. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1506.82 1508.63 I'm guessing. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1508.63 1509.5 And the R. R. . 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1508.28 1508.83 And how do we 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1508.47 1511.52 I feel like a ye I feel like a yellow one would be too garish. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1509.38 1511.66 R. the double R. . 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1511.6 1515.96 We could just have the logo in yellow, or maybe a yellow light for the keys. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1512.06 1513.28 Can't make it entirely 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1514.4 1515.3 Or is the l 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1515.68 1518.62 Or put like stripes, oh yeah, yellow lights. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1518.17 1521.6 Yeah, yellow could be and it could doesn't have to be huge. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1522.64 1522.97 Yeah. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1525.37 1532.01 If you have this sort of strip kind of down at the bottom the base of it, just like yellow with the R. R. . 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1522.92 1525.37 Well if you have like a Hang on. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1532.19 1532.8 Right. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1537.25 1541.49 So we've simplified, we don't need all those um play, fast-forward, rewind, 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1541.67 1542.48 Right, yeah. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1542.55 1542.97 Yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1544.36 1551.56 So we've pretty much pared it down to on-off, volume, mute, channel up and down, um the numbers 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1543.01 1544.36 or no menu buttons. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1555.06 1555.85 Yeah. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1556.71 1557.05 Yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1562.21 1566.53 Um can we go back to I'm gonna look really quickly back at those 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1567.25 1568.67 Two examples. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1568.67 1568.89 Yeah. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1572.95 1573.13 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1569.66 1572.95 Which one is yours, technical functions or functional requirement? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1567.95 1569.66 examples and see if there is anything. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1571.44 1572.33 Oh, it's a Yeah. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1580.36 1586.17 pitch, screen settings like brightness, colour, or do we just want that accessed accessed from the television itself? 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1574.4 1580.36 Yeah, audi audio settings and screen settings, we need those like audio settings mono, stereo,
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1588.09 1591.8 I mean how often does the average user need to do that kind of stuff? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1585.76 1588.09 I think that that's fine just for the T. V. . 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1585.19 1585.76 The T. V. . 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1592.07 1597.12 Well, the other option is sort of like down at the bottom, like farther away,
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1597.12 1602.72 you just have this sort of box inset where it's like the buttons that you don't use as much, but occasionally you will use. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1601.17 1601.39 Hmm. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1607.77 1610.57 It's 'cause the foreign film market is expanding and stuff 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1610.57 1620.96 and like on television like I know f k living in Los Angeles it's tons of Spanish network television if it has English sub-titles it's definitely helpful. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1603.45 1607.77 Yeah, 'cause we need to we definitely need to have buttons for like sub-titles and things like that. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1603.76 1604.68 and so it's like 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1626.22 1630.22 you know, audio, video, whatever, language, you know? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1621.17 1626.22 Couldn't we do that all through one button, something, a menu button, that pops up with a menu on the T. V. that says,
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1623.06 1624.19 I don't well, I don't know. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1630.4 1630.72 Right. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1630.64 1632.67 So we need up, down, and side-to-side buttons. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1633.25 1637.44 Well, that could be No you could just double up with like the channel or the volume buttons. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1633.46 1634.37 For the menus. 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1637.48 1637.83 Mm-hmm. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1638.63 1639.15 That's true. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1639.23 1640.09 Yeah, okay. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1639.68 1640.88 Channel is just up and down. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1641.84 1642.41 Okay, yeah. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1642.68 1643.63 And then add a 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1644.56 1648.04 Something that looks mayb you know. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1645.8 1650.42 Such as, yeah, the one the one over there on the left the engineering centred one. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1651.4 1651.81 That one? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1649.52 1651.4 Y right, right right right. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1650.57 1651.02 Yeah. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1651.95 1657.14 So we just have it like add a menu button then for the various things needed 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1657.14 1661.58 including v voice recognition if we have any like settings for voice recognition now 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1657.03 1657.65 Right. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1657.65 1659.36 In the middle perhaps. 
ES2010b H02 FEE039 1663.25 1664.23 included in the menu. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1664.95 1665.17 Yep. 
ES2010b H03 FEE040 1667.36 1669.39 Ooh, I just got an idea for a design. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1669.39 1670.29 good. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1682.29 1685.84 Anybody have anything else they'd like to bring up in this meeting? 
ES2010b H01 FEE038 1686.43 1687.55 I had something, but I forgot. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1690.37 1693.43 get out of here. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1693.43 1697.83 Let's go back to the meeting closure then and see what we need to do next. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1697.83 1698.47 Mm. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1687.74 1690.37 Okay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1725.12 1728.76 Um here's what we're each going to do. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1705.13 1705.54 Alright. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1712.58 1713.94 And then we're gonna have lunch break. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1717.17 1722.45 Um I'm gonna put the minutes I put the minutes for the first meeting already in the project documents folder, if you'd like to review them. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1705.54 1712.58 After this meeting we're gonna be sent a questionnaire and summary again which we need to reply to that e-mail. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1722.45 1725.12 And I'm gonna type up the minutes for this one as well. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1728.76 1737.83 The I. D. is going to work on the components concept, um U. I. D. the user interface concept, and you're going to do some trend watching. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1713.94 1717.17 And after lunch thirty minutes of individual work time. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1747.61 1749.29 Okay, well, this meeting is officially over. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1742.53 1746.5 And if anybody has anything they would like to add? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1738.55 1738.78 'Kay. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1746.5 1747.61 No? 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1738.78 1742.53 Specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach. 
ES2010b H00 FEE037 1751.39 1751.93 Thank you all. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 36.44 39.56 Okay we're back for the conceptual design meeting. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 33.29 33.97 Okay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 34.67 36.44 Hope you had a good lunch. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 33.97 34.67 Hi Team. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 39.56 41.46 Um let's get started. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 58.78 60.2 And we have forty minutes again. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 50.21 53.15 We're gonna have three presentations, one from each of you again. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 53.15 58.78 And then we are going to come to decision on the remote control concepts and then we're gonna close it up. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 45.92 50.21 Um we're gonna open it and I'm gonna keep the minutes as Project Manager. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 42.9 45.92 'Kay, here is the agenda for today's meeting. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 61.48 68.09 'Kay, and just to reiterate um after this meeting the team will reach a decision on the concepts of the remote control. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 70.9 72.27 Okay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 75.23 76.65 Who would like to go first? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 72.27 75.23 Let's go ahead and start off with your presentations. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 79.39 80.88 Just trying to move mine right now. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 80.89 81.87 Okay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 81.87 83.75 Um Courtney would you mind starting us off? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 83.75 84.35 Okay. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 83.11 84.12 Yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 89.15 90.07 Trend watching? 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 90.27 90.59 Yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 90.75 90.95 'Kay. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 100.47 102.47 Okay, so trend watching. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 109.38 111.92 So I guess we can go ahead and go to the next. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 130.69 136.55 and then it has to also be technologically innovative, and yet easy to use. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 138.97 140.22 They don't know exactly what they want. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 111.92 112.9 So what they want. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 103.37 109.38 Uh since we do put the fashion in electronics, it is kind of important how our product looks. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 116.91 125.28 Um basically about fifty eight percent of what they like of the product that they want, describing like the in order of how much they want,
ES2010c H03 FEE040 112.9 116.91 Right now customers want fancy versus functional. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 136.55 138.97 So the customer basically is confused. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 140.22 143.19 They want us to tell them. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 125.28 130.69 fifty eight per cent of the decision of what it should look like, fancy versus functional,
ES2010c H01 FEE038 142.11 144.61 They want everything, but simply. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 144.61 145.04 Okay. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 148.22 159.91 So in Milan and Paris recently the trends have been showing that clothing, shoes and furniture are basically just covered with fruits and vegetable patterns. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 144.53 145.72 Exactly. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 145.72 147.5 So we can go to next. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 167.17 168.16 I don't know really 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 147.5 148.22 Okay. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 168.16 176.6 I mean I guess the spongy could relate to the buttons if we want to rather than like a hard clicky button that you find on like some mobiles and stuff 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 143.52 144.53 Yes. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 176.6 178.55 you'd want like a softer touch. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 159.91 167.17 So I don't know if we want to go with that um and also the spongy feel is in in contrast to last year. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 180.14 180.44 Yeah. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 178.55 180.14 I mean do you guys know what I mean. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 147.38 147.8 Mm 'kay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 172.39 172.75 Mm. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 171.25 172.39 Mm. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 179.34 180.64 Yeah th 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 180.05 180.44 Yes. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 179.62 180.05 Right. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 180.9 181.72 Um. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 181.72 187.35 But as for the fruits and vegetable patterns, I don't know if we really want to go with that, because it is just a trend,
ES2010c H03 FEE040 193.74 196.24 I mean that could just be a Spring thing right now. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 187.35 193.74 and our product we want to stay around for much longer than just a few months, because Yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 187.49 187.85 Right. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 191.85 193.32 I I can 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 191.93 192.12 Right. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 192.12 194.5 People don't buy a new remote every so often. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 196.34 200.49 I can address some of that issue, I think, with uh my presentation. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 227.62 229.78 That's one of our key goals, we wanna promote our product. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 223.99 227.62 Uh we need the Real Reaction logo and colour scheme obviously. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 214.2 219.76 Um and then also buttons illuminating upon touch, you said that in your design, with the bulb. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 219.76 223.99 Um and that could also tie in with the colour scheme. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 201.97 203.79 Awesome. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 203.79 214.2 Um so design preferences, um we need easy to read like large buttons, clearly labelled so that, I mean 'cause we talked about that being a problem. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 200.96 201.97 Okay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 202.18 202.64 Okay. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 236.33 241.85 So what we could do is something like an old-fashioned telephone like this,
ES2010c H03 FEE040 256.31 259.12 So it's classically retro. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 262.89 264.87 And, yep. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 230.08 234.14 And I was thinking about different types of designs and I came up with something. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 264.87 267.02 And that's it. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 252.33 256.31 'Cause then it'll appeal to older generation and like said retro's cool. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 234.14 236.33 Actually right here. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 245.45 252.33 I mean it could be the arrows or whatever for channel up and down, and then put the numbers around in like an old-fashioned dial shape. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 241.85 245.45 where we put the buttons around, like we'd put a big on-off button or something else in the middle,
ES2010c H03 FEE040 259.12 262.89 So I mean that's just an idea if you guys like it. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 258.39 258.7 Hmm. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 261.27 262.62 I like it. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 262.62 264.04 Okay, ready for the next slide? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 260.83 261.27 Very good. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 265.45 266.77 Op mm 'kay. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 267.02 267.74 Okay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 268.23 269.23 Great presentation. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 267.81 268.23 Great. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 271.94 272.19 Ready? 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 274 274.92 Okay hang on. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 274.89 275.54 'Kay. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 276.52 277.2 See if it's there. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 289.64 290.98 Which one is it? 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 290.2 292.35 I don't know. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 292.35 293.36 Hang on. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 293.36 295.17 Interface concepts, no? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 296.2 298.39 Interface concepts new. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 298.33 302.27 Either refresh it, or it sh Oh wait, maybe I didn't put it there. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 302.27 302.62 Hang on. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 300.08 300.41 Y 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 302.97 303.17 'Kay. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 306.43 308.83 I I copied mine before I sent it over. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 303.12 306.43 Mine will always read copy of something or other. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 305.48 305.98 Sorry? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 309.01 309.5 Oh okay. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 309.98 311.52 Sorry, hang on. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 312.7 314.04 Don't know. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 328.6 329.53 Oh there we go. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 329.6 330.46 Okay. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 351.49 353.13 Uh if you wanna start the next slide. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 343.96 351.49 Okay, um looking at the interface concept, it's gonna be mostly examples of possibilities of where we can go with this. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 353.09 353.64 Sure. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 358.85 365.03 if you see on th on the sides of of the remote, you have the sort of scroll down, so you have that option right there. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 374.6 382.54 It's becoming really and so you have this sort of very very simplistic menu section uh with the round buttons,
ES2010c H02 FEE039 354.49 358.85 Um uh can't really see, but there's two possible ways, on the r left,
ES2010c H02 FEE039 367.05 369.67 That's sort of like an idea there. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 382.54 388.13 and it's sort of like you have the both kind of trendy and hip, but also very sleek and 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 365.03 367.05 And then also there's the idea of the base. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 369.67 374.6 And then on the right, we have what's really big trend right now, it's the iPod. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 391.99 398.56 So if you wanted to do that th if we could find a way of sort of like using that idea in a remote control then sort of 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 388.59 391.99 um and very simple, but technologically advanced. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 401.2 403.13 look into it, but Anyway, next. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 402.34 402.87 Mm 'kay. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 429.58 432.92 And so it's like a sort of a criticism you'd probably turn that o the other way up. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 413.82 419.69 And the picture particularly is pointing out if you look at the top volume button it's a V. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 424.02 429.58 What it really is is a V. and what it you think it is is down, because the down arrow. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 410.21 413.82 You'd you know you're in the dark, you don't wanna be looking at the remote control. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 419.69 424.02 and so yo you're kind of feeling a V. like volume up. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 404.6 410.21 Um there's the idea of like being able to do it by feel as well as by um by sight. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 428.92 429.15 Mm. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 442.74 448.88 Either that or just have it by shape, for example you have a specific triangular shape that you know you're looking at the up and down arrow. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 453 458.23 So it's sort of looking into how we wanted t to do it by feel. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 448.88 453 And then the round ones you sort of feel by, you know, that's the second one down, that sort of thing. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 433.38 442.74 Um but then you have you could either do it by raised type, which could be you know, iffy, um sort of old-fashioned in a way. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 458.23 458.71 Okay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 442.37 442.73 Mm. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 457.1 457.45 Okay. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 466.77 474.09 Um it's very cute, and we could probably change it to yellow, bright yellow for like a the for the company logo. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 474.09 478.2 Um and you have the shapes and it's very simplistic and friendly looking. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 463.46 466.77 Um this is particularly geared towards children. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 459.88 463.46 Um this is sort of an example of going for a s certain demographic. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 478.2 484.11 Um and then the other thing that it would be able to do is just to pro be ab you program certain 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 466.22 466.81 That's cute. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 485.39 491.05 channels that only these children would watch, so it's like they ch watch, you know, the C. Beebies or something like that, 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 491.72 493.44 uh keep them away from other channels. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 504.95 510.79 And then on the left you have an example of the round buttons, and a simpler design. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 510.79 516.99 On the bottom we probably wouldn't need that, because it's more for like a D. V. D. function which we are not gonna be using. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 498.57 502.78 You have the wider section for the main controls there. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 493.87 498.57 So that's like another ar Um, I mean, these are three examples sort of looking at it. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 516.99 517.73 Um. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 502.78 504.95 Uh you could see how many buttons there are. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 494.99 495.36 Okay. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 527.07 527.82 Real Reaction. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 519.99 527.07 So again it's sort of like just give you ideas and then down at the bottom you have the logos and that's where you could put the R. R. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 528.34 528.62 'Kay. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 531 537.5 And then finally these are like the sort of same examples, but also some more, just possibilities that we could go with. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 537.5 539.79 None of them I'm particularly keen on by the way. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 540.23 540.66 Yeah. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 540.66 541.03 Hmm. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 541.2 541.9 No. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 541.32 546.12 But it's sort of like just taking aspects out of that and saying,
ES2010c H02 FEE039 546.12 552.79 well out of this one we like, you know the round section of um, b or we'd like the the button size on this. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 552.55 556.14 Or I like, you know, the black finish or the silver finish or whatever. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 551.41 552.55 Mm. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 555.78 556.1 Right. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 556.55 558.21 I have four of those remotes. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 558.43 560.05 Good lord. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 560.05 560.88 Okay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 562.79 563.41 Okay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 560.88 561.83 Ready? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 561.83 562.79 Oh, yeah. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 561.62 562.23 That's it. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 564.63 565.22 Great job. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 566.19 566.86 Okay, my turn. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 567.55 568.79 Okay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 567.82 568.16 Okay. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 569.2 569.89 Whoo. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 569.88 571 What's the title? 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 571.19 574.48 It'll be copy of component design. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 574.17 574.86 Got it. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 579.35 579.53 Yeah. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 579.53 581.17 Th that looks like it. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 599.77 605.29 So you press the button, it produces uh a signal that's encoded specifically for that button. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 613.92 616.52 So that being said Next slide, please. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 593.33 599.77 chip senses the connection, chip produces a morse code infra-red signal, specific to that button. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 583.6 584.74 'Kay. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 584.74 593.33 So basic remote operation runs as follows, press button makes connection with the power source and the rest of the circuit,
ES2010c H01 FEE038 605.29 613.92 Transistors amplify that signal and it goes to the T. V. 's centre, which interprets the signal response accordingly, changes channel etcetera. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 627.23 632.89 aluminium for battery y contacts, integrated circuit which consists of a diode, transistor,
ES2010c H01 FEE038 639.04 642.98 Um fibreglass and thin copper wire to create the actual circuit board itself. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 632.89 639.04 resonator, resistors, and a capacitator, all those basic things that make a circuit function. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 617.17 627.23 Findings oh which were the required materials for the basic internal construction, so all the really simplistic functions that we just discussed, we need rubber for buttons,
ES2010c H01 FEE038 656.68 658 Next slide, please. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 658 658.99 Thank you. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 644.08 650.3 An L. E. D., which is a light emitting diode, um contact discs for the buttons,
ES2010c H01 FEE038 666.94 671.89 Um if we find another company who can produce the required chips, casing, L. E. D. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 671.89 677.97 any additional materials we decide we require at a less expensive rate than we ourselves are producing, we should go for it. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 658.99 666.94 Uh personal preferences, uh to save money for the components, the remote should be mass-produced and basic materials should be bought en masse. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 650.3 656.68 plastic for the casing, and a power-source, whatever power-source we've actually determined we want. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 704.8 711.17 We can offer options for casing such as straight, curved, double-curved, you know, very specific to the customer. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 695.15 698.9 Um I'm not sure how the hand dynamo works, they have yet to get back to me on that. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 704.12 704.8 Okay. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 681 686.44 Um just talking to the um manufacturing division. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 714.4 717.9 I don't think anyone's gonna go for a wood one, because splinters 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 679.06 681 Next slide, please. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 686.44 695.15 They suggested power options, solar cells, hand dynamo, and kinetic power, so you shake it and it increases the power. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 698.9 701.95 So next slide, please. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 711.17 714.4 Options for materials, plastic, rubber, titanium, wood. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 701.95 704.12 Suggested casing options. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 698.92 699.12 Hmm. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 700.86 701.6 Interesting. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 717.03 719.37 That would be amazing, though, yeah. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 719.37 720.42 No, splinters would 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 723.33 726.71 Uh latex, you can't do solar power with a latex one. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 719.57 720.82 Yeah. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 741.47 745.81 so you could have two curves that match the shape of your hand to make it more comfortable to hold. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 734.69 741.47 Um that would be two curvatures, so it would actually, if you the shape of your hand, you curve here and you curve here 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 761.05 762.49 I think I have one more slide. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 745.81 749.08 Now if you wanted that, you can't do titanium. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 731.76 734.69 Double-curved, you can't do titanium. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 749.08 761.05 And uh so you functions what for the buttons, scrolling function could be very beneficial to us instead of actual buttons themselves. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 726.71 731.76 So, if they want some a soft squishy rubber, they can't have the solar powered option. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 720.82 723.33 Um certain restrictions do apply here though. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 762.49 763.28 No, I didn't. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 733.24 733.88 What is that? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 741.43 741.84 Mm. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 745.17 745.81 Mm. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 753.02 753.46 Right. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 761.26 761.71 'Kay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 762.83 763.81 No, okay. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 788.75 798.21 In addition to that if we're offering all those different options to the customer for producing their remote, we're going to have to have multiples of each type,
ES2010c H01 FEE038 778.24 784.74 Um push button requires a simple chip and scroll requires more complicated chip. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 798.21 809.63 like a double-curved in rubber, um you know, each option should have a certain select number produced with all those options. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 775.94 778.24 which we could utilise. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 813.56 823.92 But that could also drive up the price of the actual remote itself if they know that we only produced five thousand, you know, double-curved wooden remotes. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 809.63 813.56 So we'll have to mix it up, make sure we produce enough of everyone. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 763.64 775.94 Um the manufacturing division also has said that um they have several types of chips and they've just developed a sample sensor or sample speaker chip 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 784.74 788.75 So depends on what we decide we wanna do. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 815.84 816.18 Mm. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 821.31 821.67 Right. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 826.03 826.36 Okay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 826.04 826.65 Hmm. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 827.51 831.5 Alright, well thank you for those informative presentations. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 831.5 835.68 Let's go back to um Now we have to make some decisions. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 826.65 827.51 Okay. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 826.58 827.34 And that's all I got. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 836.2 836.75 Where were we? 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 837.46 845.24 Let me just add one more thing that I couldn't say before, and that's just that there's the new technology that they've developed on the voice recognition. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 839.35 839.82 Sure. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 846.06 846.53 Um. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 846.62 848.44 Oh this the thing we were talking about earlier. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 855.4 860.16 um there's a sample sensor and there's a sample speaker unit for So,
ES2010c H02 FEE039 848.59 855.4 Right except that it's sort of odd, and I'm no not exactly sure why they are explaining it in the way they are 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 860.16 865.74 you would say like, good morning, coffeemaker, and it would respond, good morning, Jill, but 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 866.82 872.99 I'm not sure exactly how it's gonna work, 'cause do you programme do we program the responses and the questions. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 880.42 885.25 or can it be altered in a certain way, or does the actually user program it, to say a channel means this. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 872.99 880.42 So does that mean that the user then has to ask the specific question, and can't change it in order for it to be recognised,
ES2010c H00 FEE037 878.14 878.61 Mm. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 883.78 885.37 Right. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 885.37 885.65 Right. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 885.11 889.7 Yeah, like using the menu to be like, enter your name into the screen like on the menu options. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 889.7 891.69 So that way the remote reads it. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 893.75 897.69 So it's sort of iffy, but that's kind of what you'd say. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 889.75 893.75 Right, so it's got like a limited memory and programme it. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 895.19 895.57 Mm. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 898.38 900.65 I feel like voice recognition would be, 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 902.36 907.13 I don't know, w it would be too hard to really I mean we could do it, but 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 902.95 903.21 Hmm. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 905.3 905.92 Programme. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 907.94 913.46 If it's within our price to get that kind of chip that would, you know, technology 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 911.54 912.07 Technology. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 915.57 918.03 So, I mean 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 911.98 915.57 Well, we are making the chip. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 914.97 915.49 Hmm. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 919.82 926.37 But, I guess, we have to look at w what our production cost is for the chip itself anyway. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 926.37 927.34 Yeah. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 924.72 929.03 And it is a growing trend, the higher technological, like 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 926.48 926.94 Mm. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 930.05 932.24 the, I mean just like the more advanced it is, 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 933.03 933.36 Yeah. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 933.28 934.56 the better it'll sell. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 945.28 946.99 So that we could reduce cost. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 934.16 940.62 I I thought offering some of those options for different materials that it could be made of different,
ES2010c H01 FEE038 940.62 945.28 you know I think we'd have to decide on the power options, maybe. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 946.99 947.41 Yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 945.15 945.37 Hmm. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 945.35 948.29 Yeah, 'cause we need to know how big it's gonna be and how heavy. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 948.13 955.67 Okay, that kind of brings us to this, let's let's see if we can decide what kind of energy source we want to have first and foremost. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 955.67 956.12 Um. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 950.63 950.89 Okay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 959.27 966.17 Do we wanna go for batteries or a stand like the one that we saw illustrated earlier? 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 968.51 969.49 Oh the base, yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 969.36 973.49 The base, the charging base with rechargeable batteries? 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 971.88 972.34 I think the p 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 977.26 983.63 then it's sort of harder to imagine a base for it, that was p quite a s substantial size sort of standing up 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 971.94 977.26 I always feel like first I wanna know what it looks like, before 'Cause if it's something really really small,
ES2010c H00 FEE037 974.88 975.14 Hmm. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 983.75 988.46 Yeah, and we don't have multiple things that it has to control, it just has to control the T. V. . 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 988.46 990.52 It's not gonna be a huge universal remote. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 983.87 984.08 W 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 991.01 997.47 We need to decide, well so we can figure how big it's gonna be, like exactly what buttons we want and exactly 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 991.11 991.51 Right. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 994.15 995.96 What size battery and 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1002.58 1008.18 'cause it still fits in your hand, so you still wanted something that's comfortable and substantial, but not necessarily full of buttons. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 996.66 1002.58 Well, the other thing is like even if it's got a few buttons, so we want it to be bigger than this,
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1001.54 1002.1 Yes. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1002.1 1003.04 I'd, well uh 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1000.08 1001.54 It could be like this. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1007.99 1012.3 This one is really comfortable, like I like the sides whatever, because 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1011.47 1012.84 Are you gonna lose it easier? 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1013 1017.45 But if we have the um, the locator, then we don't have to worry about that. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1017.63 1018.23 That's true. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1018.71 1021.36 So we can make it small if we have a l locating device. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1021.55 1027.92 If we do a voice-activated locator, though, we're gonna be looking at a more substantial chip. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1027.92 1029.18 So 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1021.55 1021.94 Yeah. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1027.99 1028.22 Hmm. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1028.39 1030.6 So i That's the other thing, it's like 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1032.2 1033.16 You know 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1033.96 1037 Are we gonna have certain chips that are gonna require bigger size period? 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1037.33 1038.23 Two double A. s, 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1039.47 1040.19 for this size. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1043.83 1049.51 But like, you know, if we get more complicated then it's gonna v be have to be bigger to just accommodate the chip size. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1047.01 1047.31 Right. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1049.91 1057.29 Honestly, I think the customer would be kind of irritated by the fact that it has a base if we did do a nice small, compact 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1056.64 1057.49 Right. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1057.49 1060.75 I agree, it's either gonna be bigger with a base or smaller with just 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1057.59 1058.01 Yeah. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1058.1 1058.7 So we sh 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1059.89 1061.83 Smaller, without Yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1066.83 1067.46 You wanna vote? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1061.88 1064.33 A battery like this guy. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1064.33 1066.83 Alright, so what direction do you want to go in? 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1062.68 1062.92 Yeah. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1062.75 1063.76 Mm yeah. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1068.23 1072.88 I think if we had a a locating device with the small one, I think that seems way more advanced. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1072.84 1075.79 I'm kind of I'm kind of leaning in the direction of this kind of 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1073.71 1074.26 Yeah. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1074.26 1075.65 I'm a away from 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1077.61 1077.9 Yeah. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1076.6 1077.61 the base. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1076.92 1078.66 bigger and the base. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1078.66 1080.09 That just seems so clunky and 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1077.76 1078.13 Yeah. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1078.48 1079.45 'Kay so 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1080.04 1086.46 Yeah, because I mean if even looking at cellphones right now, those trends the smaller the hotter it is, yeah 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1084.26 1086.11 Smaller and smaller, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1086.31 1086.78 Okay. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1086.93 1090.08 The only problem with that is if you forget to take it out of your pocket and it goes in wash. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1090.03 1090.98 Oh. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1090.29 1092 You're kidding. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1091.96 1094.33 You know it happens. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1094.33 1096.92 I've had three watches go that way too. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1093.52 1093.78 Hmm. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1094.29 1094.67 Yeah. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1096.29 1099.28 Oh watches I've but I've never washed a cell phone. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1096.41 1096.75 Ouch. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1098.34 1101.25 A phone, whoa, that would wow, that would hurt. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1101.56 1105.02 Okay, so what kind of material do we want to be made out of? 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1101.57 1102.49 Pieces everywhere. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1106.67 1108.48 I don't think wood is a viable option. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1105.52 1106.67 Well, we have lots of options. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1107.69 1108.55 Yeah wood. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1109.14 1109.83 No. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1109.83 1111.49 Oh what did you Oh sorry, go ahead. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1109.59 1114.45 Well, titanium s I was saying that titanium, if we're being restricted then 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1116.05 1117.94 I would probably lean away from that. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1118.31 1121.42 Yeah, 'cause if it's gonna cost us more to produce a chip, titanium will be more expensive. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1121.64 1123.08 Right. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1123.08 1123.92 What would you recommend? 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1127.38 1134.18 'Cause I was thinking if we wanted to get the high in market then you could produce a few in titanium, make them a rarity so to speak. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1122.24 1127.38 However, well, we only wanna sell it for twenty five Euro right? 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1124.08 1124.4 Yeah. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1126.98 1127.44 Yeah. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1129.2 1130.14 That'll Yeah, exactly. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1131.66 1132.02 Mm. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1133.16 1134.33 The selling point, yeah. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1133.72 1140 We could do that, because all our research shows that people are definitely willing to spend more if 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1139.06 1140.6 Are we restricted by this? 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1139.23 1139.57 Yeah. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1142.5 1144.27 Well the original 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1142.72 1151.9 I I think we should just focus on one design and one concept right now. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1143.11 1143.91 Twenty five Euros 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1147.57 1147.89 Okay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1153.28 1154.67 remotes. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1154.67 1160.17 If this was a successful remote, we might then produce a higher end version of it, I think. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1160.49 1161.31 Yeah. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1161.31 1161.75 Good plan. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1160.56 1160.94 Good plan. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1162.42 1166.71 Okay, so we wanna go for plastic, or what would you recommend for materials? 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1190.45 1198.38 um we could do f a cherry cover for this year and then i if next year is stripes or solids, you know 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1182.68 1190.45 We could do uh one that fits in with the trends of the year so, because this year is all fruit, God only knows why,
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1167.1 1176.54 Honestly I'd recommend like um uh since we're going with batteries instead of solar power, I'd recommend maybe a uh soft like latex,
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1176.54 1182.68 because we could produce, you know how cellphones have those overlays that you can change the colour. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1167.79 1168.33 Hmm. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1182.82 1183.72 Oh. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1182.88 1183.3 Mm-hmm. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1184.21 1184.64 Mm. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1189.26 1190.83 Yeah, who knows. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1198.8 1199.19 Okay. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1198.95 1207.14 So you're talking about like when it leaves our salesroom then it's all gonna be cherry-coloured or is it gonna be the kinda thing where people come back and swap it? 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1206.08 1207.95 O or we could like take off this. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1206.86 1209.22 They could buy cases, maybe, 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1208.98 1214.25 And buy the extra case. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1207.1 1208.98 They could come back. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1214.25 1224.19 So we could do like a b a hard base plastic, and then we could give two latex covers to start. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1210.27 1210.94 Okay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1211.67 1213.86 I think it's good to sell a basic thing and then sell 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1210.42 1211.67 if they wanted. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1214.91 1215.45 options. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1217.11 1217.64 Yeah. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1219.42 1221.94 The what the top face, right? 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1219.99 1221.86 Yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1223.22 1223.55 Okay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1222.01 1223.22 Okay. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1229.19 1233.08 Well I mean squishier than like, yeah, just a hard plastic. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1228.28 1229.19 That's in. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1225.63 1228.28 Yeah, because the soft latex definitely is squishy. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1230.95 1231.79 Right. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1231.79 1232.3 Right. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1233.3 1236.98 Okay, and what kind of chip would we need for this guy? 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1237.22 1239.82 How complicated Are we gonna go with the voice activated 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1238.75 1239.38 Yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1239.81 1246.84 I don't think we should do voice, I think we should just do um the recognition for when it's lost, you know. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1246.84 1248.24 could we Yeah. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1246.75 1247.86 A tracker, yeah. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1248.48 1254.06 'Cause that uh what it type of, yeah, for voice activation would it be like a certain term what we would say like, 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1254.28 1254.71 Hmm. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1255 1258.22 because people could just be talking and we don't want it going off all the time. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1260.52 1260.78 Right. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1261.03 1261.57 So uh 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1261.41 1264.83 Well, we could give it a specific code, you know, remote missing. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1273.15 1276.35 because it's, I don't know, it's just so high-tech. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1266.58 1268.02 Ooh. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1268.02 1273.15 Uh see I'm uh I'm strangely attracted to it, because I know that's it's definitely gonna be big,
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1289.86 1291.52 So it became highly irritating. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1281.23 1285.41 and you have to whistle in a certain frequency for it to work. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1275.33 1281.23 Well, my little sister got for Christmas she got one of those key finders that's like a key-ring 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1285.41 1289.86 And then she would laugh and it would start going off in her purse, and you couldn't turn it off. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1284.97 1286.63 Yeah, see that would just irritate me. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1289.19 1289.69 Oh dear. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1289.33 1290.71 Oh, then maybe voice 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1291.48 1291.95 Okay. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1291.96 1293.65 maybe voice activation won't be good. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1292.32 1294.72 So I think having a key-phrase is much better. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1301.07 1302.72 Just a Okay, alright. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1294.83 1295.78 Okay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1295.78 1296.08 Alright. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1296.08 1301.07 But it's not gonna be voice activated in the fact that you would say, channel up, and it would work, right? 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1300.33 1302.28 Yeah, n n no, we just want it to be a finder. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1300.94 1301.59 But then it 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1301.13 1301.59 No. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1303.31 1304.19 Okay. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1302.84 1303.31 Hmm. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1304.15 1306.73 But do can your can the department make 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1310.77 1313.12 So we don't actually have to go for 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1306.88 1310.77 That would be like a mid-class um Yeah. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1309.83 1310.77 Oh, brilliant then. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1321.1 1322.64 Why not introduce it in this way? 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1314.69 1321.1 Well, if they've just developed the sample sensor, sample speaker, it's a brand new chip. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1321.47 1321.8 No. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1323.09 1324.06 Yeah, good point. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1323.44 1323.9 Mm 'kay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1325.08 1329.13 Uh and what size batteries, double A., triple A. ? 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1329.57 1331.33 I think triple A., it'll be lighter. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1331.49 1331.79 Two? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1332.91 1334.04 Could it run off of two 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1335.67 1335.82 Yeah. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1333.01 1335.67 I mean more more come in a package. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1334.15 1335.89 Well, that depends on what the energy is needed. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1356.35 1359.3 But if you only have to replace it every five years. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1348.74 1351.41 So they're more widely available now. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1351.41 1356.35 And they also have a longer battery life than most batteries. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1342.47 1348.74 'cause you know the lithium batteries are doing quite well in most other electronic products, right? 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1336.54 1342.47 I think, well, we could d r do two or we could do one small lithium,
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1354.5 1355.73 They're more expensive though, too. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1358.44 1358.77 Mm. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1361.01 1361.78 That's a good point. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1361.43 1362.64 Thoughts anybody? 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1362.15 1363.28 As long as we sell it with it. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1364.43 1371.81 Well, how about a initial, you get one battery when you buy it, 'cause I'm pretty sure we can get them pretty cheap on bulk. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1371.81 1372.3 Yeah. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1368.68 1369.83 Right, that's what I meant. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1370.02 1372.03 We could think about it and come back to it next meeting. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1372.03 1372.8 We still have one more meeting. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1370.84 1371.76 Okay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1372.77 1373.21 Alright. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1371.76 1372.77 Yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1380.28 1380.65 Okay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1382.12 1388.62 So we've covered that first category, User Interface Concept, meaning design. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1388.38 1389.89 What's it gonna Yeah, what's it gonna look like. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1391.27 1400.99 I ki I kind of like your idea about the retro phone dial, and that the central button could have, maybe our logo on it? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1390.08 1391.27 Okay. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1391.17 1392.73 Um. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1402.13 1404.41 It might be the four way scroll, too. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1404.41 1406.29 I mean if Yeah. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1409.48 1412.91 there's like that just like piece of metal or like a picture or something in the middle. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1404.4 1409.48 Yeah, it could be whatever, as long as there's something big in the middle, because like the old phones 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1409.06 1409.38 Yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1411.53 1411.87 Mm-hmm. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1411.72 1417.65 Well, my issue with that is if it got too big though, 'cause if you have the circle and the button in the middle,
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1417.65 1425.41 then is it gonna get wider than your your hands are, because w And then would the buttons be too small if it was enough to fit on it? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1418.63 1418.93 Mm. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1418.96 1419.76 Oh, that's true. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1425.59 1426.18 Good point. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1431.78 1441.76 which I think if we make it curved like a hand like a hand-shape like if we put the the scroll-button on the side, that could be particularly useful. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1426.52 1431.78 In the sample ones that you showed us there was one that had the scroll buttons on the side,
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1431.28 1431.58 Yeah. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1431.56 1431.94 Yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1439.06 1439.97 Oh, I see what you mean. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1441.33 1441.9 I think so. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1442.37 1444.64 So scroll buttons on the side and then buttons on top? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1444.78 1444.97 'Kay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1443.46 1444.78 Yeah, I like that. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1456.61 1460.25 But we definitely If we have scroll things on the side, we definitely have to have 'em labelled. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1461.44 1461.64 Mm. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1462.02 1465.13 Yeah, like on the side of it. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1465.13 1466.11 Oh if it's just up and down. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1463 1465.52 Well, if it's just up and down 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1466 1469.91 But is that for Which? 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1470.13 1470.62 I don't know. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1467.88 1470.13 Volume or channel. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1470.6 1472.47 Well, you could do some on both sides. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1471.11 1472.55 Do we have both sides? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1473.33 1473.8 Can we? 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1475.44 1479.46 We should probably make it that you have to depress it to activate it then,
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1473.47 1475.44 Mm yeah. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1479.46 1483.02 'cause oth otherwise you're not just holding it and going like this, you know. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1481.29 1481.95 That's squishy. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1480.18 1481.29 That's squishy. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1478.79 1480.18 Yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1479.25 1481.34 So that you're just not holding it and it changes the chan 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1482.61 1487.24 Well, the other option is in instead of a scroll you just have the buttons up on the side which are on the side. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1484.91 1485.77 have buttons. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1486.37 1487.84 Mm. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1487.84 1488.28 Yeah. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1487.69 1487.97 Okay. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1487.94 1489.18 Yeah, that. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1490.37 1490.72 Hmm. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1500.39 1501.52 'Kay any other ideas? 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1503.25 1505.79 Um what colour? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1509.73 1509.94 W 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1507.95 1509.73 Latex covers. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1506.44 1507.95 Oh, yeah. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1509.24 1514.81 We have to make sure that logo always sticks out when we put the latex covers on,
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1514.81 1520.04 so we'll have to like have a little square or something, so that the our logo's available. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1518.31 1524.55 Well I sort of like having the a yellow strip at the bottom with the R. R. like that. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1525.7 1526.01 Yeah. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1525.84 1526.98 And that's at the bottom of it. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1529.91 1534.13 because if people are able to change the covers, I don't know, maybe the on-off button,
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1534.13 1541.05 something, some the menu button, I don't know, but you know if we're gonna put our company logo on there and somebody could just get 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1527.17 1529.91 I think maybe we should do it on a b button itself though,
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1531.08 1531.81 Which button? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1545.04 1545.71 Every cover? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1542.33 1542.76 another one. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1542.76 1545.04 Are they all gonna have our company logo on them? 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1546.08 1550 Yeah, I don't think we should do that, because that would just be icky. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1550 1552.53 So I think maybe putting it on a button is probably a good idea. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1549.39 1549.97 Yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1553.09 1555.4 If we want it to be visible and 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1556.96 1564.29 Um are all those those one that you showed where they were um s met silver-metallic looking? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1569.08 1574.47 Uh but, or if it was really Yeah, for the base or if we're going for the retro look,
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1566.7 1569.08 I kind of like that look. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1565.63 1566.7 They're not titanium. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1564.29 1565.63 But those are plastic, right? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1574.47 1577.47 I think, like a really shiny black would be cool. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1563.83 1564.09 Yeah. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1565.59 1565.94 Yeah. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1569.68 1571.49 For our base one? 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1577.83 1582.34 Yeah, or like a gun-metal grey, 'cause then it combines the silver and the black. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1579.8 1580.75 Gun-metal gray. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1578.44 1579.8 What are your thoughts? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1582.19 1584 There you go, gun-metal gray. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1594.82 1597.88 I'm just really wary of the putting anything on a button. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1597.89 1598.17 Why? 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1598.72 1600.7 It'll wear off. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1599.31 1604.25 What's the button Well, w w then what's the button do, and how do you know that that is what the button does? 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1599.54 1600.53 Yeah, buttons wear off. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1600.55 1600.84 Mm. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1606.02 1607.73 I guess. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1607.73 1613.11 Just looking at examples, y you just don't ever see the logo on a button, it's always on the actual casing. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1613.4 1614.09 Right. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1615.82 1616.27 Hmm. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1618.1 1622.83 There's nothing saying that we have to put the logo on the front of the actual 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1623.02 1624.14 We need it to be seen. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1621.51 1623.02 But we want it to be seen. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1622.49 1629.86 It d visible Visibility though 'Cause if it was only on the back really the only time you're gonna see it is when you drop it or when you're changing the battery. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1621.52 1622.49 On the back? 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1621.58 1624.21 But you don't But uh, yeah, you don't see it. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1627.68 1628.81 Well, hang on. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1630.56 1634.62 The other option is, I don't know if you can see it but it's like if 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1635.34 1636.64 I can find it again. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1636.72 1639.2 Yeah, it's like the second to last slide. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1639.33 1639.77 Okay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1639.77 1642.86 And yours was called Interface Concept? 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1641.77 1643.02 Interface, yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1644.71 1646.4 This one? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1646.4 1649.82 Well, for some reason I can't get it to just go to that slide directly. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1646.5 1647.04 Um. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1645.16 1646.5 Yeah. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1653.53 1658.89 You see at the bottom, it's kind of difficult to see, but you have like a d sort of s division between the bottom like,
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1663.22 1666.41 It doesn't necessarily replace the entire top. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1658.89 1663.22 where the logo is, and if we have the replaceable section, it's like the top. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1651.2 1653.53 Okay, it's the very right one. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1666.41 1669.51 And so you have that one piece that stays and the rest just sort of clips in. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1666.03 1666.27 Mm. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1669.89 1672.38 Okay, yes yes. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1671.62 1678.17 And so that stays the same when you have the logo, and then you have this s slip that kinda clips in and that's the bit that changes. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1670.38 1671.62 If c you envisioning it? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1678.64 1679.07 Okay. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1686.22 1692.29 so I was thinking maybe instead of doing that what we could do is leave a space for where the logo should be. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1679.57 1686.22 The only problem is we're using a latex overlay so it actually would go over top of everything and have holes for the buttons 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1684.67 1685.14 Hmm. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1691.33 1691.84 Yeah. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1691.84 1692.3 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1692.31 1694.47 Like a little cut-out kind of 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1693.7 1693.98 Yeah. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1693.94 1695.12 Right. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1695.12 1700.46 That's like, you know, a a cellphone it's like the the screen is always just left opened. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1695.19 1696.39 Okay. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1698.74 1699.02 Right. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1701.67 1704.51 And so, what we are gonna do it like bright yellow with the R. R. ? 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1705.7 1705.98 Yeah. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1713.66 1714.08 Some of tho 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1713.72 1716.63 Anybody see anything that they liked in these ones? 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1733.22 1741.94 Um where the button is actually blue, but the number itself is clear or white or whatever so if you pressed it would illuminate yellow. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1741.94 1744.45 So we'd have blue and yellow for the touch buttons. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1718.08 1720.42 Um well, a lot of those buttons are blue-based. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1720.42 1721.61 Well, kind of. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1728.05 1733.22 Like if we like the one all the way on the left, uh you ca you can see it on your computer better. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1715.72 1718.08 Well, some of those buttons though are blue-based. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1721.61 1728.05 Um and then if v we do have them illuminate upon contact, they could illuminate yellow. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1718.3 1718.83 Mm. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1720.63 1721 Mm. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1725.27 1725.66 Yellow. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1727.04 1728.41 Yellow, I like that idea. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1727.27 1727.53 Yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1733 1733.19 Mm. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1741.5 1741.87 Mm. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1743.86 1744.88 Oh, that one. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1745.32 1749.03 I like the yellow illumination idea, very good. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1745.7 1745.98 Yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1753.47 1753.85 Okay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1756.38 1760.04 Any other ideas or thoughts? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1764.44 1767.87 We all seem to be fairly in agreement about what we wanna do with this project so 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1766.22 1768.88 Ha hang on Let me catch up. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1764.49 1766.22 Um. 
ES2010c H03 FEE040 1767.87 1768.18 Mm yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1768.7 1769.23 'Kay. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1776.39 1779.79 Did we finalise what buttons we're including or we just everything that we said before? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1781.88 1784.47 I think there will be time for that later. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1784.47 1785.18 I'm guessing. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1788.73 1791.09 'Kay, well we're gonna wrap this up. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1791.09 1793.61 Um next meeting is gonna start in thirty minutes, 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1794.48 1796.71 and here's what we're each of us going to do. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1807.54 1809.82 but I think, that's pretty much what you're gonna do, right? 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1802.36 1807.54 I think you're going to get a lot of, I mean, the final say on what buttons get put We'll all talk about it,
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1796.71 1802.36 The I. D. is going to do the look and feel design, the U. I. D. the user interface design. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1810.5 1811.45 Yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1811.15 1812.3 I guess. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1812.3 1812.98 'Kay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1816.08 1821.83 Okay, and right now, the I. D. and U. I. D., you two are going to work together on a prototype using modelling clay. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1812.98 1816.08 And you're gonna do some product evaluation. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1824.11 1824.58 Play Doh. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1822.99 1824.11 Great. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1829.73 1831.62 Well, thank you for a very productive meeting. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1829.1 1829.73 Alright. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1823.47 1826.05 Yeah. 
ES2010c H00 FEE037 1826.05 1829.1 Okay, and you should all be getting an email pretty soon. 
ES2010c H02 FEE039 1824.1 1824.53 Fun. 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1829.87 1830.61 Wonderful 
ES2010c H01 FEE038 1832.03 1832.44 Ooh. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 8.11 9.85 I wanna find our if our remote works. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 9.84 10.39 Me too. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 11.22 12.93 Oh. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 19.48 20.91 Okay. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 20.91 23.89 Um here's the agenda for our last meeting. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 35.36 42.21 Then we're going to evaluate the product and I think the whole production process, and then we're gonna close it up, and we have forty minutes, so 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 23.89 35.36 Um after the opening we're going to have a prototype presentation, then we're going to discuss the evaluation criteria and the financing of our remote. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 19.64 19.97 Whoohoo. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 44.52 46.74 Oh, no, let's have the prototype presentation. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 43.6 44.52 let's get started. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 46.82 50.12 Mm 'kay, you ready? 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 49.82 51.39 Um sure. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 51.39 51.92 You or me? 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 53.76 56.58 Y you read that stuff, since you wrote it. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 56.09 56.94 Okay. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 77.34 81.08 Um and then the buttons are actually kind of poking through rather than on top. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 81.08 85.21 Um and the buttons will be a l much lighter blue, almost see-through. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 56.94 64.91 Well, since our materials aren't exactly what we were going for, I'm just gonna translate what this all means for you. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 73.83 77.34 Um because it can be replaceable, we just kinda went with the colour. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 88.01 91.86 The whole thing lights up if you press any button, rather than it just that one button will light up. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 85.21 88.01 It's just sort of a very pale blue and a light-up yellow. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 64.91 70.16 The base is gonna be gunmetal gray, which is what we had decided, and it's gonna be plastic. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 70.16 73.83 Um then there's the latex cover, which is what you see as red. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 58.22 58.97 I'll be the Vanna. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 76.84 77.09 Right. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 85.13 85.35 Hmm. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 86.49 87.3 That's nice. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 87.36 87.72 Yeah. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 91.86 92.07 Good. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 105.26 107.39 They're one button, but they kind of push up and down. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 93.25 96.05 Um and then at the bottom we have our logo. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 96.05 102.33 Um bright yellow sort of design with the R. R. which will actually look like our logo. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 102.33 105.26 And then on the side you have the buttons. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 101.74 102.12 Great. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 107.49 107.84 Okay. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 108.6 109.53 I don't think they're scrolling. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 110.26 110.68 No. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 112.27 113.34 They're just buttons. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 114.29 117.21 And then yeah, the buttons. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 112.77 114.29 Right, yeah. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 125 129.3 by concave sort of thing, except for, you know, can't see underneath. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 117.68 125 On off switch will be here and as you've noticed on our prototype um they've ended up with a curvature kind of,
ES2010d H01 FEE038 129.3 134.72 So I'm hoping that when we get to production we can actually make them like that, because they're very 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 128.62 128.86 Yeah. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 145.22 152.27 mute, and then these are the numbers, so our channel and our volume will be on either side. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 135.78 139.13 nice to stock you know, stick your finger in. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 139.13 145.22 Um the two squared buttons are are two probably least used, menu,
ES2010d H03 FEE040 139.03 139.41 Yeah. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 139.25 140.22 Thumb-shaped. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 153.77 158.87 And then the last thing is just that it'll be black labelling on top, just which we didn't do. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 152.63 153.77 Yeah. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 158.85 159.25 Okay. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 159.25 164.41 And did you determine um the curvature of the bottom part of it for the hand, is it gonna be a single or a double? 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 167.22 168.45 I'd say a single. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 168.95 172.19 Single sounds good, 'cause it's not big enough to really constitute a double. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 168.06 168.95 Single. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 168.63 168.99 Single. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 170.13 170.54 Yeah. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 172.07 172.49 Right. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 172.25 174.2 Yeah, it's only actually the size of my hand. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 174.45 175.3 Great. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 175.3 175.89 Great. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 175.89 177.89 I think you did an awesome job. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 177.89 180.12 It is beautiful, and it's everything that we discussed. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 176.92 178.54 Yeah, I think it's a beautiful 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 179.92 180.36 Yeah. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 181.27 182.51 Good job, you guys. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 182.51 183.23 Those are really good. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 181.79 182.38 Good job. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 181.93 183.31 Oh thank you. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 182.17 183.22 Whoohoo. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 185.11 188.02 Alright what's next in our agenda? 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 192.5 196.63 Um we're gonna discuss the evaluation criteria, and that's with Courtney. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 199.96 202.71 I don't really know exactly what we should uh talk about. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 202.71 203.87 It's under evaluation. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 196.61 199.96 Okay, it's a PowerPoint presentation. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 204.44 204.68 Right. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 216.89 221.56 is it fashionable uh yeah, I guess we should write these down so we can reference them. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 210.63 212.43 Alright. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 212.43 216.89 Um so these are the criteria we're gonna ask, is it easy to use,
ES2010d H00 FEE037 220.84 221.18 Mm. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 230.65 233.48 Feel good meaning what? 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 233.48 234.75 Physically, okay. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 231.83 234.78 Like does it feel good, like yeah, physically. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 234.28 234.64 Right. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 245.24 246.11 Sqi 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 250.77 252.91 That's just for current trend. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 252.91 254.48 It doesn't really count, you guys. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 252.42 252.79 Right. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 257.64 261.67 Yeah, it was a little difficult to incorporate the cover with the cherry fruit on it. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 262.07 262.43 Yeah. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 267.76 269.23 And so we n k everybody have that? 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 265.93 267.76 Yeah, well then that's covered. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 263.49 265.93 But it's so we do have removable covers, right? 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 265.51 265.85 Right. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 265.51 266 Yes. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 267.93 268.08 'Kay. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 269.75 270.1 I'll wait. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 275.45 276.2 Yeah, she's got it. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 288.7 291.45 It falls within this range, so for easy to use, 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 278.05 278.72 Yeah. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 277.14 278.05 It's good. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 278.72 288.7 Okay so, we're using the criteria uh for a seven point scale, and so we need to discuss how we feel. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 277.44 277.64 Yeah. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 293.12 294.48 do we feel it's very easy to use? 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 298.5 298.81 Why not? 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 298.81 300 We have okay. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 294.72 297.76 Are we going to indi I say we individually rate what do you say? 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 297.76 298.5 Just orally. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 294.82 296.39 True or false, easy to use. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 297.05 297.67 You guys 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 297.71 298.27 Yeah. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 299.99 300.2 Okay. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 301.32 303.18 Um easy to use. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 303.18 304.54 I vote six. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 305.18 306.13 Oh wait, that's false. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 306.29 307.55 Oh, two. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 307.95 308.35 Okay. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 308.88 309.81 I'd say two as well. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 310.31 310.77 Yeah, two. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 310.93 311.8 Two. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 311.8 312.39 That's what I say. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 311.7 313.82 Uh hello, we're great. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 313.66 314.85 Okay, fashionable? 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 315.63 316.7 Um one. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 316.06 317.5 At the moment, no. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 317.49 317.67 No. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 317.67 319.76 I mean like no, I think it's very fashionable. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 319.16 320.97 Me too, very chic. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 317.58 319.16 No. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 320.67 321.81 I thi I would give it a one. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 323.08 326.02 I'll give it a two, because at the moment it's not looking that way. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 322.05 323.08 Okay. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 322.08 323.67 One, I give it a one. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 329.21 329.67 What do you think? 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 325.98 329.21 Well, that's that's just like that's a clay, it's a prototype. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 326.27 328.86 Oh, and ma it's a prototype, right. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 331.2 332.77 I'd give it like three or four. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 329.38 331.2 Mm I don't think it's that fashionable. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 334.87 336.73 So, the average is about a two. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 333.38 334.87 Well, now I'm. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 333.56 333.93 Okay. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 336.94 337.47 Yeah, it's a two. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 337.4 338.73 But then I'm not fashionable, so 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 339.75 341.04 Two point five. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 337.93 339.75 Two or three. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 339.6 341.01 don't use my opinion. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 340.56 341.21 That's okay. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 341.21 342.77 Yeah. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 342.77 343 Um 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 342.64 346.13 Neither are all o all the customers we have, either. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 344.74 345.63 does it feel good? 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 346.24 348.26 Imagine, since we obviously don't have that. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 347.68 348.52 I feel like 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 347.71 348.37 Does it feel good? 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 348.44 350.42 Uh the shape of it actually does uh. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 351.01 353.76 And it's i it is very ergonomically designed. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 353.76 355.05 It's gonna be curved. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 355.52 356.8 Yeah, it's gonna be thicker. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 357.61 357.85 Yeah. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 357.92 358.27 Depth. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 358.28 359.17 I think it feels good. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 359.2 359.92 I think so too. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 360.28 360.82 I'll give it a two. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 361.4 362.29 'Kay. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 362.29 362.7 Two. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 361.8 363.77 I'll give it a one. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 366.07 366.42 What do you say? 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 366.65 367.48 I'd say a two. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 367.7 369.01 Alright, average is two. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 367.96 368.29 Okay. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 374.55 378.54 Go right ahead. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 370.29 372.25 Is it technologically innovative? 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 372.25 374.55 Oh sorry I'm taking over your job here. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 376.43 381.59 Um yeah, I mean and it does it have voice I mean the phrase recognition on it? 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 373.4 376.43 Oh no, it's fine, you're I mean you're Project Manager. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 385.35 388.52 We were able to do it with that kind of chip. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 384.1 385.02 Yes. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 385.02 385.35 Right? 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 387.11 388.26 Oh right, the 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 388.22 389.99 We could do it with the chip, yes. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 389.99 396.86 It wasn't we have no reflection of it on the prototype, but that's because it's only two dimensions, really. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 391.84 394.38 And there's no way you can represent it on here. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 394.38 394.7 Y 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 393.54 395.1 Yeah, right. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 395.1 396.64 That was 'kay. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 396.64 398.87 And we discussed that being included. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 396.4 399.32 Yeah, so. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 399.32 405.45 Then yes, then I would well it isn't what else would it need for it to be technologically innovative? 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 397.92 398.47 Right. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 403.65 404.94 It 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 405.54 409.13 Well we don' have the you know, we can't say channel, and it changes the channel, channel eight. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 408.48 412.62 And it doesn't cover anything other then T. V., so I'd probably give it a three. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 411 411.34 Right. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 413 413.65 Yeah. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 414.18 414.51 Okay. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 414.52 418.23 Even though it is for just a T. V. remote it's uh very advanced. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 418.23 419.74 But it is just a T. V. remote. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 421.16 421.69 Yeah. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 421.69 427.27 I'd go for a three or four on that one, so okay, let's go for a three point five. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 423.57 424.34 Yeah I go four. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 428.03 428.7 Three and an half. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 428.87 432.51 Alright, and the last criteria is it is it um 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 434.84 436.33 It's just trendy, basically. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 432.26 434.84 Squishy and fruity. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 433.11 438.58 Well yeah, so I'd give it a two. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 433.66 436.63 Well, we've covered that with the trendy. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 439.94 442.63 It's capable of being squishy and fruity. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 440.09 441.05 Sure. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 441.05 442.13 Capable. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 442.13 442.99 Very capable. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 441.27 443.83 Oh, it's very capable of being squishy and fruity. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 442.75 444.97 Okay. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 449.18 449.65 So. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 445.27 447.24 And it's very important. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 447.24 449.18 'Kay, there we go. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 447.12 447.32 Yeah. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 449.11 450.87 Okay, next. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 450.87 454.8 Next. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 452.01 459.62 So um our re model slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie appears to be a winner, and uh hopefully we'll sell millions. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 459.62 460.42 Good job, team. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 460.7 463.65 How did you get that in there? 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 468.37 469.06 That was good. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 463.65 468.37 The slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 462.75 463.43 What? 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 466.2 469.44 It does. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 469.44 470.4 Very good. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 470.4 473.41 Alright, let's go back to this 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 466.4 468.09 It it does. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 469.34 469.62 Thanks. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 475.28 479.32 No, that's it. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 479.32 479.94 Hmm. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 483.54 483.9 Oops. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 504.84 505.19 'Kay? 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 500.47 504.84 If so, we can proceed, if not, we need to go back to the drawing board a little bit. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 490.72 500.47 I'm gonna show you an Excel spreadsheet and we're going to fill it in together based on what components we're including in our remote and see if it's under twelve fifty Euro. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 505.19 507.14 So let me bring that up. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 487.44 490.72 Okay, so now uh we're moving on to finance, okay. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 511.58 513.16 Alright. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 513.16 518.48 Um it's not hand dynamo, it's powered by battery, so we give it a 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 510.5 511.58 Here we go. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 516.51 516.99 Yep. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 518.77 519.16 Two. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 521.6 525.5 Do I just put quantity being one battery, or 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 519.64 521.6 Number of components you plan to use. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 526.17 526.54 Yeah. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 544.73 549.09 Okay, down to the electronics um section. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 537.2 539.69 What do you say? 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 526.55 527.7 Yeah. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 536.13 537.2 Oh, let's just go for a lithium. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 549.09 553.21 We're gonna need this kind, correct, if we do the voice sensor, so one of those. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 533.26 536.13 'cause triple A. s we're gonna have t do more than one battery. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 527.7 533.26 But if it's a do you wanna go for this is where we need to make a final call on if it's a lithium or do we wanna go triple A. s 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 539.69 544.73 I think uh I think the people who purchase this are gonna be technologically right. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 527.17 527.91 Mm 'kay. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 537.59 539.33 Yeah, let's let's do a lithium. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 538.12 540.34 Yeah, it's. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 540.47 541.19 We're gon that's gon 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 542.92 544.54 Nologically advanced, yeah. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 550.55 550.88 Yeah. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 550.96 551.66 Yep. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 554.29 557.5 It is a single-curved, so one of those. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 558.23 559.14 Uh. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 558.86 559.76 Oh. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 562.04 564.1 'Kay, down here, case material. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 559.76 560.55 What's that? 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 560.55 562.04 Yeah, that's correct. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 564.1 564.86 Plastic. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 560.85 561.26 Yeah. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 562.76 564.04 It's plastic. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 562.88 564.74 We plastic. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 566.29 567.35 And special colour. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 566.41 567.6 And special colour. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 567.9 568.16 'Kay. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 569.44 571.62 Down here, interface type. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 574.29 576.09 Isn't oh those are just regular buttons. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 571.62 574.29 We're gonna have the integrated scroll scroll wheel. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 575.63 576.27 Buttons. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 573.42 575.63 No, we don't have the scroll. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 575.45 576.17 But it's 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 575.57 577.37 Well, that's the push-button too, right there. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 577.88 580.39 Yeah, but i so i 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 578.61 579 This? 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 579.64 581.9 Integrated scroll-wheel or push-button. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 581.9 583.87 We're really having just push-button interface. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 583.96 586.33 Okay, so we can just go um. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 587.36 590.62 But will we w actually we'll need two, won't we? 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 590.62 593.51 One for the top and then one for the s one e for each side. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 596.39 598.89 Because we're not doing a scroll on the side, it's still push-button. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 593.2 596.39 But it that just covers the type of button we're having. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 600.04 603.04 Oh like the twenty nine means like you have both scrolls and 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 604.63 605.71 But we just have push 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 603.5 604.63 Push-button. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 604.21 605.01 push-buttons. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 605.01 606.25 But we don't have any scrolls. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 604.44 604.97 Okay. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 604.58 608.35 Right I think she's I think what Courtney's talking about is do we need to put two here? 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 613.87 616.66 There's gonna have to be additional signals on the sides. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 616.66 619.6 So is that gonna be an extra one on each side? 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 607.69 613.87 Like because there's like one interface right here and then because it's not gonna be on the same plane when you press the button. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 614.01 614.38 Right. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 615.17 616.66 Yeah. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 616.66 616.99 Okay. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 619.96 622.65 I don't know, they might put us well, let's just. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 622.16 624.35 Two interfaces, is that what w should we s say? 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 623.91 625.54 Let's call it th 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 623.92 625.29 Two or would it be three? 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 624.47 626.77 Or three, because of one on each side and one on top. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 626.77 629.61 I mean it's fine 'cause it comes out the same as twenty nine. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 629.61 630.69 Well less than twenty nine even. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 626.52 626.8 Yeah. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 625.94 626.52 Okay, fine. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 630.77 631.54 Okay. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 630.95 635.94 Okay and we're gonna button supplements the buttons are no uh okay. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 634.51 635.47 They're a special colour. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 636.61 639.4 Um they're uh they're a special form, 'cause they're indented. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 638.63 638.97 Are they? 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 640.09 640.71 Oh, right. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 640.9 643.01 And then s yeah. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 640.94 642.66 And, they're a special material. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 645.22 646.46 Well, we're under cost then. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 644.61 645.22 Mm. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 648.62 649.54 No, we're under. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 651.47 652.64 We've got eleven point two. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 649.54 651.47 Twelve point five is our limit. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 647.85 648.62 Alright. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 647.91 648.37 We're over? 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 648.63 649.17 Grand. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 648.64 649.33 We're under. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 649.69 649.94 Okay. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 651.32 651.8 Oh, I see. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 653.83 655.42 So we can go to production. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 654.02 654.48 Alright. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 655.4 656.57 We can go to 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 666.14 667.22 I dunno what I just did. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 696.37 699.15 Now, question is, how do we do this? 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 689.17 696.37 meaning the technology that we used to produce our little guy there, and if we found any new ideas. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 682.64 689.17 Did we have a lot of room for individual leadership, um teamwork, and the means,
ES2010d H00 FEE037 680.38 682.64 Um did we have a lot of room for creativity? 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 671.95 680.38 Now we're gonna talk about the project process um and whether or not we're satisfied with the whole process and the result. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 669.62 671.95 Okay. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 701.27 701.71 Go back. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 701.8 702.85 I think we just discuss it. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 703.04 704.11 Discuss, sure. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 703.06 703.85 Previous. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 706.4 708.11 Who want who would like to go first? 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 705.51 706.4 Alright. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 708.43 718.73 We think we got stifled for cri creativity by the company itself, in restricting us only to using a T. V. remote, initially. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 708.57 709.7 We didn't have a whiteboard. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 717.07 717.32 Hmm. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 717.97 719.27 Yeah. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 719.27 720.05 And no internet. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 718.35 719.17 Oh that's true. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 718.36 718.65 Hmm. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 721.2 721.58 Yeah. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 726.58 730.64 'Cause I'd forgotten that that wasn't our decision, yeah. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 722.89 726.58 No, yeah, that's a good point. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 730.62 733.65 And how did you feel about the whole the whole process though? 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 734.09 736.27 Oh, overall I mean I thought we did a good job like 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 737.15 743.27 We got to choose basically we had control over minus it being just merely a T. V. remote we got to choose what we wanted to do with it. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 743.28 745.1 Right, and we got say over 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 746.15 753.97 what how technologically advanced it should be and also how fashionable, which I kind of like we yep. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 751.74 753.68 And we're a fashion forward technology company. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 754.64 755.22 right. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 754.78 755.17 You know it. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 757.08 760.19 Um what about um the teamwork aspect? 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 760.19 762.88 How did you guys enjoy making the model, the prototype? 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 762.56 764.49 Yeah. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 763.07 764.14 I think we did well. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 765.04 767.67 Did you work well together in there, and 'kay. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 764.5 765.04 I think ya' did. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 766.46 767.65 Yep. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 767.24 770.79 Well, no, there was there was scratching and fighting, but no. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 767.67 769.05 Minus that one fight. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 769.05 769.73 Yeah. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 768.94 771.15 Gouges. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 769.49 773.65 Oh my God, and we've all been a pretty congenial team here, I think. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 773.65 775.21 We hadn't had any ma fallings out. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 778.05 779.59 Irritating, yeah. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 773.8 778.05 I mean minus you guys being wha what is it, the survey, annoying or what is it? 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 773.57 773.8 Yeah. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 779.59 782.41 Wow that's a it's definitely a strong one. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 777.1 778.94 Irritating. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 777.46 779.23 Irritating. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 778.32 779.47 Irritating. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 782.76 783.27 Okay. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 783.06 784.91 The means, the whiteboard didn't work. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 785.75 786.7 And no internet. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 785.77 786.1 Yeah. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 786.53 788.5 I have to knock that one down a couple notches. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 785.83 786.53 Yeah. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 787.47 792.69 A and our friend here really feels strongly about the internet. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 787.81 788.92 Yeah, and no internet. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 794.59 795.85 Like it's information 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 791.1 792.55 Misses. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 792.55 793.18 I do. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 793.18 794.59 There's so much available. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 798.67 804.54 Yeah they were fun, even though I'm not really sure what I could do with them, but they are awesome. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 792.94 798.67 And the digital the digital pens were they were pretty cool. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 797.83 798.5 They were fine. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 795.99 797.83 Yeah, digital pens. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 796.79 799.07 I really appreciated those, yeah. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 804.32 806.91 The use of the laptops for receiving everything. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 806.91 809.69 It was wireless too, so. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 807.04 807.5 Yeah. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 807.1 810.38 Right, laptops are extremely handy, wireless. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 810.38 813.48 And that we have a shared network where we can put all of the 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 809.89 810.75 And these things whoa. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 813.91 814.18 Yeah. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 814.36 817.84 And let's not forget the sexy dual microphones everyone gets to wear. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 817.29 818.33 Yeah. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 818.33 818.98 And Big Brother. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 819.6 820.1 Big brother. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 820.27 821.76 Yeah. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 822.75 825.12 'Kay, have we found any new ideas through this process? 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 827 829.53 Um we are really gonna sell this. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 829.53 829.9 Ta-da. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 849.24 855.23 And that's your right brain taking over, w wanting the artistic, the fashionable, the hip, you know. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 855.23 859.36 If we all just went out and bought useful things, I don't think I mean that's not what technology. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 844.15 849.24 For something that looks cool and also has what I want it to b do technologically. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 848.55 848.92 Yeah. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 854.4 854.61 Mm-hmm. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 867.67 871.21 They look like they did when I was in elementary school, and that's so old-fashioned to me. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 863.71 867.67 but I look at it, and I'm taken back to elementary school, 'cause they look the same. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 858.52 863.71 Well, that's why I don't like uh Macs or Apples, just 'cause I look at it, and I know it's probably a very good computer,
ES2010d H00 FEE037 867.31 867.64 Mm. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 867.77 868.14 Yeah. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 869.67 871.87 Yeah, 'cause they're pretty and just like 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 871.64 874.96 The Toronto district school would only use his Macs with their kids. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 871.86 872.3 Yeah. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 874.92 879.5 Exactly, so I associate them with like really low-tech, really cheap, bad 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 877.36 877.7 Yeah. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 881.27 882.97 But I do like iPods, go figure. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 878.78 881.27 Just the Mac font bothers me even. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 879.88 880.48 Uh yeah. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 880.37 881.12 Yeah. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 882.9 886.52 Yeah, no, iPods They want all those words for presentation, even the plugs. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 884.95 885.22 Yeah. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 885.43 890.62 Well, i iPods are now quite trendy, and they come in different colours. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 890.62 890.81 Yeah. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 894.43 897.06 just so they could get the changeable face plates. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 888.75 889.55 Colours. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 887.7 888.75 Mm-hmm. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 889.55 890.67 Exactly. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 890.67 894.43 I mean how many people went out and bough a Nokia phone, back when we were like in high school 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 896.48 897.6 Oh yeah, everybody. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 898.13 899.1 Okay. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 899.1 901.27 Anyway, so that is definitely at work. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 898.9 901.52 Mine is amber. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 901.52 902 Oh. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 899.12 900.38 Not me. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 900.38 902.8 I didn't have a phone 'til university. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 905 909.67 I was like who's gonna buy a remote just for the T. V. unless they've lost theirs. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 900.15 905 But the my but my one issue is just like the whole it's for T. V. only. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 909.62 910.91 Look at it. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 913.34 914.34 Wow. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 914.34 916.25 Marketing Director says yeah. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 910.91 913.34 That is a piece of work. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 909.9 911.28 Yeah. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 911.28 913.82 Fashionable chic people will. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 911.33 912.17 You're kidding. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 917.8 921.24 No, marketing has to actually create the desire for it. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 913.7 917.8 No, no. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 917.37 918.59 Fashionable people will buy it. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 920.79 923.14 Oh, I will create desire. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 921.52 921.99 That's okay. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 925.65 928.5 This will help them find the one. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 921.99 925.65 We can create a commercial where they think that all their needs will be met. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 928.5 929.09 That's right. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 925.85 929.54 Ri They'll be sexy with it. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 926.54 926.73 Hmm. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 933.16 933.76 That'll sell. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 932.04 933.16 Mm. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 928.39 932.04 We could have like an Adam and Eve type commercial, and that's the fig-leaf. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 931.72 932.32 Oh right. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 932.76 938.62 And so the serpent says, use our remote. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 934.2 935.08 There you go, marketing. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 934.34 935.16 Let you loose. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 937.87 938.33 Yeah. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 956.49 960.03 Alright, thank you team, you did a great job, it was lovely working with you. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 942.02 943.58 Okay, we're gonna wrap this up now. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 943.58 951.84 Um the costs are within the budget, we evaluated the project, and now we're gonna complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary,
ES2010d H00 FEE037 951.84 956.49 and then we're going to have a big giant party, apparently, according to this, so. 
ES2010d H00 FEE037 937.93 942.02 Alright. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 939.46 940.64 Yeah, no. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 939.49 939.71 Yeah. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 957.42 958.48 Margaritas for everyone. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 956.11 957.42 Whoohoo. 
ES2010d H02 FEE039 959.22 960.74 Good. 
ES2010d H03 FEE040 960.71 961.13 You too. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 962.93 964.34 Thanks to the Project Leader. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 961.73 962.93 Yay. 
ES2010d H01 FEE038 968.79 969.18 Now we know w 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 37.14 39.15 Welcome everybody. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 39.15 43.32 Um, I'm Abigail Claflin. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 43.32 44.39 You can call me Abbie. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 34.27 37.14 Here we go. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 47.63 50.2 PowerPoint, that's not it. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 50.2 51.33 There we go. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 46.43 47.63 'S see. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 55.53 56.85 Um 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 51.33 55.53 So this is our kick off meeting. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 62.17 64.28 Let's shall we all introduce ourselves? 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 58.56 62.17 and I guess we should all get acquainted. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 73 77.78 or would you like me to just say my name and then we can talk about business later? 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 70.04 73 Um, would you like me to talk about my aims at the moment 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 65 70.04 Hi I'm Chiara, I'm the um Marketing Expert. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 77.04 78.98 I think we'll get around to that, yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 78.98 80.79 So this is just introductions yeah. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 78.93 80.51 We'll get round to that later. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 80.51 82.89 My name is Chiara and I'm the Marketing Expert. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 82.98 83.64 Okay. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 83.64 89.24 I forgot to s say I'm the Project Manager but I figured you all knew that already, um so. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 88.66 93.1 I'm Stephanie and I am the User Interface Designer. 
ES2011a H01 FEE042 93.94 95.68 I'm Krista and I'm the Industrial Designer. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 96.02 96.35 Okay. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 98.26 102.23 Um so f here's our agenda for today. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 102.23 107.77 Um we're gonna do some tool training, project plan and discuss 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 108.92 111.99 then close. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 139.55 140.41 Oh there it is. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 141.19 144.35 Functional design, conceptual design and detailed design. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 140.41 141.19 Right. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 124.27 135.79 And to do this, we have to um there's certain things we have to consider about functional aspects and conceptual design of the thing. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 111.99 116.57 Um so. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 137.29 139.55 We'll get to that. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 135.79 137.29 So. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 144.35 150.87 So throughout our next couple of meetings we'll we'll be covering these things. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 150.87 154.36 Um so we're gonna try out our white board. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 116.57 124.27 So our aim is to produce a remote control that is original, trendy and user friendly. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 157.03 164.1 If we'll all draw our favourite animal, to sum up the characteristics of that animal. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 166.81 168.51 So you want us to draw it and then talk about it? 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 168.51 169.81 Or just draw it? 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 166.85 167.28 Okay. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 172.05 173.57 I think both. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 173.16 174.02 Yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 174.02 174.84 Both. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 174.84 176.7 Yeah. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 173.91 175.93 Why don't we do both. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 173.16 173.91 Okay. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 175.93 176.24 Right. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 180.79 181.08 Uh-huh. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 176.81 180.01 We ought to decide who starts and all that. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 175.8 176.81 Who starts? 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 180.01 180.79 No? 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 180.64 182.69 Any volunteers? 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 182.69 184.96 Does anyone know what they wanna draw? 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 186.7 187.72 Uh 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 184.17 186.7 Mm, I gotta think about it for a second like. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 190.9 195.19 Does it have to be functional, trendy and user friendly? 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 193.75 196.54 I don't think so. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 196.53 197.03 Um. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 200.05 200.66 Okay, I'll draw. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 200.66 201.2 I'll draw one. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 203.5 205.25 Make sure my things here. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 220.69 220.87 Uh-oh. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 229.48 229.96 Right. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 239.31 243.49 Okay, my favourite animal is see. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 261.76 262.14 Oops. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 265.48 269.33 A dolphin. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 269.33 270.51 'S like playing Pictionary. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 266.6 268.79 Yeah, it's 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 269.58 272.79 Yeah, I guess it has a fin on top too, yeah. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 278.81 280.44 It's my dolphin. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 279.42 286.2 So what characteristics do you like about your animal? 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 284.36 286.18 I like its tail. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 290.6 301.24 they're smart and they they're cute and they like swimming and that's cool, like they're graceful yeah, and they're so 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 286.18 290.6 Um, no, I think dolphins are really uh I dunno,
ES2011a H00 FEE041 298.52 299.25 They're graceful. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 302.85 305.48 Sleek. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 303.16 310.31 Yeah they're sleek and they look intelligent and I don't know, they're I guess it's the whole like binocular vision thing. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 309.22 313.88 I don't know how intelligent that one looks. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 311.39 314.42 Yeah he he doesn't look that smart. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 338.64 340.88 but they swim. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 314.42 338.64 He's a I dunno um they're I think it's cool the the um the interaction that or the th things that the reasons people seem to like you know you get ex you know people are sitting on the beach and p they're like oh look there's dolphins and it's kinda like but they're you know they jump around in the water and they're happy and they're mammals 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 338.96 339.12 Yes. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 339.12 345.4 Does anybody else wanna draw their animal? 
ES2011a H01 FEE042 346.66 349.35 Suppose I can draw an animal, yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 379.03 381.32 It's a cat. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 376.08 379.03 Uh-oh there goes the ten. 
ES2011a H01 FEE042 377.93 380.22 Yeah. 
ES2011a H01 FEE042 386.53 389.07 They sleep all day, they're easy to draw. 
ES2011a H01 FEE042 386.04 386.53 I don't know. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 396.16 398.62 I dunno if the the ah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 394.66 396.16 Do you wanna anything? 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 395.22 396.26 Uh yeah. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 396.26 400.82 Well I had the cat as well, but uh I've got a spare one. 
ES2011a H01 FEE042 396.66 398.81 I think the pen is running out of 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 401.49 403.74 So I'll use the spare one. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 405.32 408.73 Um but it's harder to draw um. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 408.26 410.71 And the pen's dying. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 409.82 410.49 Um. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 414.06 414.97 A horse. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 414.09 414.45 Uh. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 414.39 415.17 Horse. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 419.01 424.67 Um I don't really know how the legs go, but anyway I will do that. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 421.19 421.91 That's very good. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 439.71 448.85 And I like the way um they feel, sort of under under the hand, I think that's pretty much it. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 448.85 449.37 Um 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 429.69 433.08 I think they're very pretty and they go well with the environment 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 433.08 439.71 and I like the way they run and I used to do horse riding and they're just very sort of sturdy and nice animals. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 425.91 429.69 Um, and the main reason is they're pretty. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 449.93 450.63 Yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 458.82 461.01 This cord's 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 469.2 470.69 Right. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 470.69 474.12 Actually I haven't thought of anything yet. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 468.02 469.2 Uh. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 474.12 475.11 Uh 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 491.62 494.8 So I'm thinking we should design a remote control that's 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 487.56 491.62 It's a pig. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 496.25 498.73 water resistant, strong and furry. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 502.34 508.46 This is yeah, well like a cat, you know, soft yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 511.04 514.07 Right. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 508.46 511.04 Although uh I'll just put there. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 498.73 502.34 What do you think, yeah? 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 502.1 502.67 And furry. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 505.36 508.83 Textile tactile, tactile remote control. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 515.09 520.35 You're dragging a you have a tail. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 516.43 519.55 Oh my gosh, this is disastrous. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 521.83 522.9 Sorry about that. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 546.58 550.99 Um, and we will hope to sell this internationally. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 530.49 539.17 Our selling price goal is twenty five Euro and profit aim is fifty million Euro. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 539.17 546.58 So I'm guessing that we're not actually in Scotland, we're in some European country. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 527.26 530.49 So moving on. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 524.32 527.26 Okay. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 551.61 554.92 Sorry can you just say that what's the what are our price goals again? 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 555.49 558.88 Um selling price is twenty five Euro. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 558.88 563.14 Profit aim fifty million Euro. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 557.6 558.2 Okay. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 567.89 570.62 How many should we sell then? 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 570.62 577.6 Um, a lot, two two two million, two mi no, more f four million. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 571.73 574.26 Anyone a mathematician? 
ES2011a H01 FEE042 577.98 578.42 Two million. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 580.19 586.8 And it well it's the profit so if a profit for each is twelve fifty, that'll do four million. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 578.64 580.19 Four million. 
ES2011a H01 FEE042 584.77 585.45 Oh, yeah. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 599.21 599.66 Uh. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 597.55 599.21 It is a lot. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 614.41 618.15 So f that's a fifty percent um uh. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 628.35 640.05 So I guess we have to reflect on our experiences with remote controls to decide what um we would like to see in a convenient, practical, 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 619.55 625.91 Um, I don't know what these mean because I didn't actually make the slide-show. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 625.91 628.35 Experience with remote control. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 641.4 643.51 nice remote control. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 643.51 654.95 Um so do we have any initial ideas for uh how this remote control should be designed or formatted or the the buttons it should have. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 654.15 660.06 Um, I think one thing is that it should be easy to find bec yeah bec 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 666.16 668.1 so just have a call button, I've always wanted that,
ES2011a H02 FEE043 672.12 676.09 so you should have a call button on your television to be able to find your remote control. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 658.36 659.66 I was thinking that too. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 659.66 666.16 I think we should design something that has like a so you can like somehow like you I mean you always know where your T. V. is,
ES2011a H02 FEE043 668.1 672.12 so like you can push a button on your T. V. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 659.66 660 Yeah. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 668.04 669.31 Yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 669.45 672.22 I mean you have it for the portable phone, so why not yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 668.26 669.45 Yeah. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 674.61 675.03 Yeah. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 676.52 678.82 And even I think a little light. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 678.82 683.24 Um or even a maybe a vib a vibrating thing. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 683.24 686.59 I dunno but someth because it's usually under the sofa. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 687.41 688.06 Yeah. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 688.06 688.37 Yeah. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 687.55 694.15 In which case you're going to be l but if it has a sort of signal which isn't any sound I don't know if it's expensive maybe to 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 692.38 693.94 Yeah. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 702.47 705.68 it can light up and make noise and I dunno. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 693.94 702.47 I don't yeah I mean it but like I mean just I mean like your phone even just has so like it can vibrate 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 695.09 696.45 Maybe call is enough. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 696.45 697.04 But yeah. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 701.17 701.99 Yeah yeah yeah. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 704.23 704.77 Yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 712.88 714.92 What if it had something like um 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 732.56 738.67 'Cause people just stick it on top of their T. V., but the point of having a remote is not to have to walk over to the T. V., so 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 716.23 725.17 just like a magnet on the back of it and you could I mean j just to have some place to put it besides like a base. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 725.17 732.56 You know like a portable phone has a base, like just to have a home for it. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 725.85 728.15 Yeah, or if it had a yeah. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 724.86 725.85 Yeah. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 730.69 731.77 Yeah yeah yeah yeah. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 731.8 732.64 Yeah, I mean 
ES2011a H01 FEE042 736.97 739.66 Well that's why it's always in the couch. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 737.84 738.37 Yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 739.65 740.31 Yeah. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 739.79 742.47 Yeah, in in the couch. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 742.47 748.16 I dunno, it seems like though that that would be hard, 'cause you not you're not gonna be lazy anyway and 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 745.76 746.05 Yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 747.22 752.38 Maybe we should design couches that have the remote control in the side arm. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 749.65 753.57 Yeah so we the project is now couches and remote controls. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 766.52 767.52 And the other thing is 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 765.42 766.52 Something like that. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 760.21 765.42 But it's only a plastic thing, r really, the thing on the wall. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 757.78 760.21 But that would really make it more expensive. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 751.96 757.78 But even just a thing to attach it to the w you know if you had a thing, a pretty object attached to the wall. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 758.47 758.94 Yeah. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 763.74 764.14 Yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 764.06 764.4 Yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 766.76 771.88 Do you think it needs to be bigger to not lose, or does that not factor in? 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 771.01 771.57 Bigger. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 771.52 773.88 Not well it needs to be sort of 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 772.44 772.74 Like 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 773.93 775.82 Hand hand held size, yeah. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 774.43 775.47 Hand-sized. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 776.03 777.24 I don't think you need a 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 775.06 776.03 Yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 777.62 779.37 Not not huge, but 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 779.48 781.66 But definitely not well I don't know. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 781.67 784.96 It can't be that hard to put some kind of a noise on it. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 784.93 786.33 No, it can't be, uh-uh. 
ES2011a H01 FEE042 785.67 786.76 No it really wouldn't be. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 791.61 793.03 Yeah. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 789.06 790.07 You know. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 786.02 789.06 Or like or like a light thing. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 804.01 804.86 Uh. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 793.03 798.65 Or make it mobile so it runs around and comes come find you yeah. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 798.65 802.76 That would be really I'm sure we could do that for twenty five Euros a pop. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 790.07 791.61 I dunno. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 802.76 804.01 Yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 786.22 786.72 Huh. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 792.88 793.67 Um 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 792.11 792.88 Right. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 789.77 792.11 Like spaceship. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 804.07 804.63 Um. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 800.95 804.07 Little homing device. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 807.07 810.43 So what do we think this remote control should 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 805.9 807.07 Okay. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 811.97 812.93 Five minutes. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 813.01 813.45 Oh dear. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 814.08 815.91 Till the meeting oh right. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 815.91 816.87 This is what we have left. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 821.86 827.33 'cause I hate that when they have too many buttons and I mean I know it has to have enough functions but like,
ES2011a H02 FEE043 818.79 821.86 I also think though that it shouldn't have too many buttons 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 827.33 832.24 I don't know you, just have like eight thousand buttons and you're like, no, you never use half of them. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 832.24 832.35 So. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 819.02 821.76 Um, oh we just 
ES2011a H01 FEE042 822.2 823.76 Yeah, I agree. 
ES2011a H01 FEE042 823.76 826.26 B. button and the F. button, they don't do anything. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 823.78 824.61 Yeah, yeah yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 823.85 824.15 Yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 838.39 842.32 so it has less buttons but it still has all the functions. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 842.32 843.97 Like the way a mobile phone does. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 832.09 838.39 You what if um may be a little fancy but what if it had like a little screen 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 841.87 842.72 That would be cool. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 842.58 843.23 Yeah. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 844.08 845.57 Yeah. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 845.57 847.84 I mean it just seems like yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 846.74 852.32 So you could like um like if you have I dunno if you have satellite if you have a hundred channels 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 858.25 863.08 so you can programme like your favourite channels, so like if you had a s 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 852.32 858.25 you can the way you do it on your radio is that you uh what do you call it s y yeah but you can programme,
ES2011a H03 FEE044 856.9 857.15 Uh. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 855.47 856.9 Select. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 862.76 866.85 But, would you have the screen on the thing, or would you have it on the telly transmitting the screen. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 867.12 869.12 That's something we could decide. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 869.12 869.74 Mm. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 870.71 871.13 I dunno. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 868.88 870.71 I guess they would go together somehow? 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 868.88 869.57 Because 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 871.4 879.67 Because, I don't know if it's I think it's e expensive, if you have if you use the telly screen, 'cause the telly's already a screen 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 879.67 883.03 then you can pro sort of have a programming function,
ES2011a H03 FEE044 883.03 888.14 really easy sort of arrow up and down, on the remote, and then use the telly as a screen. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 877.82 878.22 Yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 885.6 885.86 Yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 889.78 891.24 Right. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 889.91 890.89 But um 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 892.85 893.8 I'm thinking kind of 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 894.09 898.61 Something like not it's not on the button but it's telling you what to do, is that what you mean? 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 893.12 894.09 But yeah for sure. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 897.83 898.82 Yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 898.82 899.17 Yeah. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 900.39 900.84 Right. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 900.84 901.3 Mm. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 922.7 927.69 I don't know if it must be it would probably must be ex too expensive though t like I dunno. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 901.7 912.06 Or like you h you see those you know people I'm thinking of like celebrity cribs kind of things when like they have all those these things that at their house you know their their entire house is so electronic 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 912.06 922.7 and they have like this one master control that and it's like a hand held like turns on everything sort of control and it has like a screen and like so I think it should be possible to have some kind of a screen 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 923.13 923.39 Yeah. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 927.84 930.52 But like mobile phones have screens and they're cheap. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 928.14 928.29 Mm. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 929.5 930.77 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 930.77 931.41 Yeah that's true. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 931.96 938.55 I mean, we have to remember our budget is twelve point twelve fifty for to actually make the device. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 930.78 931.96 Yeah. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 935.17 935.49 Yeah. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 938.29 938.72 Mm. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 942.98 945.47 I mean we'll have to see how much that would be. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 940.66 942.98 Um but it's something to think about, yeah. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 940.7 942.75 Well, I guess we have to get to that later, yeah. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 945.27 951.56 Or some it i we can find out probably on the internet how much it's 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 948.6 949.07 Yeah. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 952.89 953.93 Um. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 953.93 958.68 Yeah, and the other thing you said that thing about robust and water um 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 961.28 962.51 Water resistant. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 960.21 961.28 What was the word? 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 960.98 961.5 Furry. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 962.2 967.44 Oh I was just 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 963.79 967.04 No but it's I thought, ah, spot on. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 967.04 974.36 Good feel, tact tactile, good tactile feel, maybe something didn doesn't make your hands sweat lot. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 968.74 969.04 Yeah. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 975.68 975.82 Mm, mm. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 974.61 975.68 Yeah. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 975.78 976.8 That's quite annoying. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 980.74 988.68 Maybe um just like a simple thing to have a clip on it, like so you can clip it to your like that's another 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 986.93 987.36 Yeah. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 989.2 990.05 Yeah, clip. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 991.69 992.6 Ooh. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 993.67 994.22 Um. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 999.35 1005.45 We should probably start wrapping up, um we've got some initial ideas that we can all look into. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 997.66 999.35 Um. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1012.52 1013.21 Um. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1005.45 1012.52 Um, and come up with some new ones for the next meeting, which will be in another thirty minutes. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1014.97 1015.54 So. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1017.38 1018.25 Yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1018.25 1018.75 The 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1035.32 1035.9 The 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1026.76 1035.32 So I guess you'd be looking at lots of the things we discussed about screen and um that sort of thing. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1020.3 1026.76 Industrial Designer, what does that stand for, I. D., yeah um is going to be looking more into the working design. 
ES2011a H01 FEE042 1021.85 1022.62 Yeah I think so. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1039.99 1042.22 Yeah, what does it stand for again? 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1042.22 1044.16 User Interface Designer. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1044.16 1045.61 So that's gonna be 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1037.44 1039.99 something, what is the U. I. ? 
ES2011a H01 FEE042 1038.69 1039.17 User. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 1039.55 1040.03 That's me. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 1041.22 1043.11 Uh, User Interface design. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1048.84 1057.67 I guess that maybe the working design has also to do with like the physical feat like just the way it looks and the way it w 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1047.8 1048.84 more technical. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 1055.07 1057.2 So technical function. 
ES2011a H01 FEE042 1056.53 1058.91 The working design is the structure. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1059.08 1059.79 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 1060.88 1063.79 What is technical functions exactl I I don't really know what 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1063.89 1067.36 Um, I guess you'd have to find out. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 1067.15 1069.32 It says on that email but it 
ES2011a H01 FEE042 1067.42 1067.83 Um. 
ES2011a H01 FEE042 1068.68 1070.18 It was in the email. 
ES2011a H01 FEE042 1070.18 1072.03 I wrote down what mine were. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 1068.79 1070.67 It does but it I just don't really 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 1070.86 1072.41 It said um 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 1071.71 1072.32 Yeah. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 1074.26 1075.25 It said 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 1079.64 1080.64 And working design. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 1080.64 1080.96 Okay. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 1078.71 1079.64 Alright. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 1074.86 1078.71 What effect should the thing ha should it have, okay. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 1079.11 1079.93 Yeah like 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 1080.93 1084.28 Be a medium between you and the telly I think, that's uh 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 1086.74 1087.02 Right. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 1084.34 1085.53 Alright. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 1087.02 1088.29 I'm I'm on task. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 1083.04 1084.34 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2011a H02 FEE043 1085.53 1086.74 And how it works, okay. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1083.59 1083.9 Mm. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1091.38 1091.6 M 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1088.3 1091.38 And the M. E., what does that stand for? 
ES2011a H01 FEE042 1092.09 1092.54 Marketing. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1092.74 1093.99 Marketing, right. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1093.99 1094.85 Um. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 1093.56 1096.16 Oh it's written here, but um. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 1092.83 1093.56 Marketing. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1096.93 1100.46 So we'll be working on the user requirements, um 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1102.5 1103.77 Yeah. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1103.77 1106.88 So I guess that wraps it up. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1106.88 1110.7 I'll see you all in thirty minutes. 
ES2011a H03 FEE044 1102.95 1103.32 Okay. 
ES2011a H00 FEE041 1113.05 1113.77 I just did. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 31.54 31.8 Okay. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 67.23 72.84 Um I I'll get the ones up for next time, um they're not finished yet. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 73.18 86.02 Um so can we have updates from everyone from what you've worked on just kind of a quick summary of anything interesting that you'd like to share or discuss in this sure. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 36.52 37.97 Welcome everybody. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 72.84 73.18 Right. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 41.52 56.89 Um so this is our functional design meeting, we're going to consider um user needs, technical effects, and the working design of our remote control. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 33.49 36.52 'Kay so we'll try to zip through this, since we're short on time. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 61.33 67.23 and I'll be putting them in the shared documents folder so if there's anything you need to refer to you can find them in there. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 37.97 41.52 Um hope your sessions went well. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 56.89 61.33 Um I've been taking meetings on the minute minutes on the meetings 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 85.28 85.48 Mm. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 83.19 85.28 And I can start if you want. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 88.05 89.41 We haven't decided on an order. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 86.24 86.96 Is there an order? 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 86.96 88.05 No. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 88.39 88.58 Hm? 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 90.37 92.04 No, any any order's fine. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 92.04 92.6 Yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 92.74 96.73 Um, how do I put this I'll just put the cable in. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 90.38 91.73 First. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 91.73 92.74 Okay. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 95.3 95.88 Just uh 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 98.48 99.05 Oh yeah, sorry. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 109.05 109.47 Oh, here. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 108.56 109.05 Can you see? 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 107.96 108.56 Is that it? 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 109.47 111.36 Okay. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 113.96 115.85 So what happens it doesn't work? 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 115.32 117.93 It sh it takes a few seconds I think. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 124.99 125.88 You may need to 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 129.66 132.76 Who's that? 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 133.13 133.41 No. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 135.38 136.47 Is it in the right thing? 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 135.74 142.77 But sometimes you have to do it it's like a three set setting cycle, so press it a couple times, hold down function and then press F. eight. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 142.19 143.81 Oh wait, um. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 146.46 146.72 Uh. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 146.72 147.86 You need to help me. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 148.19 151.19 Uh-huh, and then press function. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 152.15 152.77 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 152.37 153.43 and F. eight. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 157 159.61 Could you just plug it back into hers because she had oh. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 158.5 159.41 Oh, wait. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 159.41 160.62 That's is that it? 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 160.55 161.12 Adjusting. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 162.66 162.99 Here we are. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 165.76 167.99 The cable might be a little loose or something. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 167.99 168.56 Oh, you got it. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 170.59 172.05 Okay, um. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 169.75 170.59 We're here. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 167.91 169.75 Right here we are. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 172.05 177.39 In order to see what the functional requirements were to be found, um 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 169.37 170.36 Is it on? 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 170.36 170.8 Okay. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 169.12 169.37 Oh. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 212.97 220.02 so later on there's a study of the buttons that they use most and I think we should design according to these buttons. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 197.3 208.07 Custome Customers and users don't like the way remote controls look, they don't like the way they feel, they don't think they match their operating behaviour,
ES2011b H03 FEE044 179.09 190.71 a hundred people were tested in a usability laboratory through just their habits to n know their habits were observed and questionnaires were given out. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 220.02 221.8 Easy to lose, and R. S. I. . 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 221.8 223.88 I don't know what R. S. I. means. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 208.07 212.97 and an example is what we were talking about, the buttons, they only use ten per cent of the buttons 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 223.88 228.14 Um the person that did the questionnaire obviously did, I don't have a clue. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 190.71 197.3 Um, the findings in in some cases matched what we were talking about. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 227.72 227.9 Hm. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 249.16 250.43 And um 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 244.83 249.16 They're used about a hundred and sixty times per hour. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 228.74 235.51 Um, according to the frequency of use and the relevance of each buttons 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 235.51 241.23 I have made a list of the buttons that we should focus on in order of importance. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 241.23 244.83 So the most important buttons are those to do with channel selection. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 278.72 279.33 Um, 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 273.11 278.72 and then from there go on to the audio on the screen, either on the remote or on the television. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 251.37 256.12 yeah so and and people like to zap a lot apparently, so this is the order. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 267.14 273.11 and this means that I think we can we could have like a a button for all the settings, and then, just one,
ES2011b H03 FEE044 260.1 267.14 The other ones are the settings, and they're used less than you know zero point eight to zero point five times per hour,
ES2011b H03 FEE044 256.12 260.1 Channel selection, teletext, volume, and power. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 304.5 311.52 while people that are above thirty five years ol um years old go from thirty five percent to eight percent 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 317.14 322.06 Um I don't I don't know um what the decision to be made is 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 331.36 333.63 most likely, but we should discuss this together. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 295.33 304.5 um ninety one to seventy six percent of people in that age range are willing to pay more for this sort of product 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 322.06 331.36 but I think that the people that actually do buy remotes m more are those like teenagers and young professionals and um,
ES2011b H03 FEE044 280.07 286.48 about the screen, and speech recognition, some people are more willing than others to actually pay for that. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 286.48 295.33 And if we look at the market, f people from well from fifteen to thirty five year old year olds, I don't really know how to describe this 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 311.52 317.14 so people that are sixty five for example wouldn't actually pay for this sort of thing. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 334.64 338.26 And that's all I have to say about the matter, um. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 337.77 338.68 'Kay. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 341.89 343.1 Shall I what do I do? 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 343.1 344.56 Do I give this to someone else? 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 344.4 345 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 345 345.83 Just move right on. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 350.17 350.84 Right. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 352.15 354.01 So get this. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 377.81 381.85 Okay so now I need to press F. eight, what is it? 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 381.93 383.52 Uh function F. eight. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 382.44 383.42 Function F. eight. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 390.16 391.2 What's function? 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 389.19 390.16 'Kay. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 391.49 394.57 It's the little blue w it's the one th yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 393.08 393.9 Oh function, I see it. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 397.68 398.38 There we go. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 398.05 398.81 Yeah should be 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 405.73 406.78 It should be yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 410.55 411.45 Okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 411.45 412.01 Um. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 414.07 422.54 This my presentation about the uh technical functions design and I basically just tried to focus on um 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 423.46 427.74 just what what functions we need and how to make that 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 430.95 435.42 So uh and I just sort of like thought about it myself and looked on the internet. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 445.32 448.61 Um so I think things like uh 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 428.98 430.95 the best function for the user. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 435.42 445.32 And okay so basically um I think i uh like it is really important that we sort of get this done in a user friendly and fashionable way. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 449.88 462.53 you know keeping buttons together that like close together that um are used in the same way, uh or um maybe that making 'em the same colour 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 462.53 467.18 keeping the number of buttons the uh leas you know to a minimum 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 467.18 477.56 and also things like is it is it um is it uh can you c y small enough large enough I'm not sure we c I guess we would need to 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 503.34 505.18 And um 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 497.2 503.34 And then, is it findable, and uh how do we wanna do that? 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 478.77 484.13 do some research about, I would, about what size is appropriate and that sort of thing 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 487.59 490.24 Does it have like capacity to change the channels? 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 484.13 487.59 um but basically we need to make sure that it turns on and off the T. V. . 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 490.24 497.2 Um does it do or do we need to have like functions for cable or V. C. R. ? 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 506.49 512.3 I just thought that these two remotes were pretty boring, um I dunno if this will work but 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 514.61 518.95 And I think we can find something that's more fun to look at and use than either of those. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 533.86 537.66 shapes, that sort of thing, to best fit the user. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 525.63 533.86 uh but I mean I think we sh can sort of think about things like um like colour and you know size,
ES2011b H02 FEE043 521.37 525.63 Just I mean I like the one on the right better, just because it does have fewer buttons 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 540.73 542.66 That concludes my presentation. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 545.86 546.29 Okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 546.29 547.44 You need the little thingy. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 564.54 564.79 Ooh. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 593.58 595.53 How do I um 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 599.83 599.96 S 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 609.73 611.11 That's on view. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 611.11 611.24 Oh. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 611.4 611.66 Right. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 621.09 627.04 um and the method I used was to basically look at existing designs and incorporate ideas from our last meeting. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 614.36 621.09 Okay so this is on the working design, which is sort of the uh mechanical functions of the remote 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 638.8 650.24 And also we talked about um a location function where maybe you could press a button on the T. V. and it would send sort of signal to the remote where it would beep or flash or vibrate or whatever to tell you where the remote is. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 633.92 638.8 the user can input a channel or volume setting and it will be output to the T. V. . 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 628.1 633.92 Um so I think we need two basic functions which is just the basic remote functions 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 672.25 675.74 like possibly a beep or a vibration. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 678.01 684.32 which would probably be a separate um thing that we'd have to sell with the remote and people could stick it on their T. V. or stick it on their wall. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 652 658.3 So the components we need are an energy source to power the remote, um input which would probably be buttons,
ES2011b H01 FEE042 658.3 664.06 although um we just talked about voice recognition, processor to take the information,
ES2011b H01 FEE042 664.06 672.25 um something to transmit it to the T. V., and we also need something on the remote that would receive the location signal and have an output 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 675.74 678.01 And also you need a sender for location signal 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 690.35 692.86 Power comes from the battery, goes to the chip, 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 686.77 690.35 And this is just sort of an overview of how the remote works. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 700.59 707.14 And then for the location function, you would have a sender on the T. V. which would output some sort of signal 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 707.14 711.32 um we could use I. R. but we'd probably wanna use radio instead. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 711.32 718.58 That signal would go to a receiver which it would process it, and it would be output in the form of a buzzer or a light lighting up. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 693.92 700.59 um and then it is sent from there to an infrared bulb which is probably the easiest way to send to the T. V. . 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 752.83 754.22 So that concludes my presentation. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 732.67 738.9 um we can purchase a pre-made chip which will handle all the processing stuff, I. R. transmitter to communicate to the T. V. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 727.43 732.67 that way you wouldn't have to plug it in, um a button pad for input,
ES2011b H01 FEE042 738.9 743.2 that's just sort of standard, um so most T. V. s have an I. R. receiver. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 743.2 752.83 Probably a radio receiver to send out location function and to receive it and I'd probably say a buzzer for the location function on the remote itself. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 721.77 727.43 Um so my personal preferences for how to build the remote would probably be uh, battery for the energy source,
ES2011b H00 FEE041 756.06 756.37 'Kay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 756.34 760.27 Do you know about like I dunno, you seem like you know about 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 758.19 758.33 Mm? 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 760.21 763.03 Yeah, uh I d I was an engineer before I came here. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 763.16 763.98 Cool. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 761.96 763.16 Okay. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 770.82 779.86 Um we have we'll discuss that and then I just wanna mention some new project requirements that came in. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 769.51 770.82 Well thank you everybody. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 779.86 790.64 Um, teletext is apparently outdated, so due to internet popularity, so that's off the list. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 768.96 769.51 Okay. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 790.64 791.42 Um, 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 792.5 803.07 also our remote should be used only for television, um, no extra internet kinda fancy things, just the remote and the television. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 803.07 812.36 Um and also we need to incorporate our corporate image onto this, so um the 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 834.81 835.36 Okay. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 826.43 834.81 so if we had a like a kind of silver one like you saw, and yellow writing, something like that. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 835.36 836.24 Um. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 814.42 820.66 phrase is, we put fashion in electronics, so let's be fashionable I guess. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 820.66 826.43 Um if we have something I mean silver and and gold or yellow are our colours,
ES2011b H00 FEE041 837.64 843.42 So we need to make some decisions on the remote control functions. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 843.42 844.09 Um, 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 848.99 851.89 Do Let's I guess we should yeah make some 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 846.61 848.99 yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 853.06 856.16 kind of brainstorming, see what we can 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 855.35 856.3 Like in terms of 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 856.87 858.21 How it looks or 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 857.46 859.74 how it looks, or like what it does? 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 873.91 874.21 So. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 859.08 873.91 wha what um well probably our target group and how it's gonna going to appeal to our target group and I dunno the the s the buttons and what it does and that sort of thing. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 868.37 868.79 Okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 873.74 874.09 Okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 872.34 873.74 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 877.54 878.04 So 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 880.85 886.28 Is our target group then people so do we wanna go ahead and design this thing with the finder button? 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 888.15 888.54 So 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 888.3 890.5 I think that seems to yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 890.5 890.7 Mm. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 888.87 890.07 It's easy to implement. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 894.27 899.14 So then our target age group would be the nineteen to thirty five range, what was it? 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 890.28 891.01 Okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 891.01 894.27 So the yeah, yeah, yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 891.02 894.68 the the buzzer you mean, yeah, for sure, yeah. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 893.58 894.13 Locator. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 898.52 900.96 Yeah, teenagers and young professionals. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 900.32 902.05 Well that's for speech recognition. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 902.6 902.85 Oh. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 902.79 903.21 Well 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 902.96 903.73 Oh, uh. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 903.01 904.39 And screen. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 904.39 906.57 That's only for speech recognition and screen. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 909.89 913.97 and also, if the T. V. is on it's making sound and the people on the T. V. are talking,
ES2011b H01 FEE042 913.97 917.03 and if somebody says like one, then the T. V. 's gonna switch itself to channel one,
ES2011b H01 FEE042 904.93 909.89 I was thinking about that but uh I mean speech recognition is really hard to programme,
ES2011b H01 FEE042 917.03 920.67 or it seems like a silly, I'm not sure how you would implement it. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 910.02 910.52 Yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 916.69 917.85 Yeah yeah yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 917.85 918.53 I mean 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 918.73 919.22 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 917.39 918.73 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 917.41 917.81 Mm. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 922.84 925.42 But um the screen is the same as what, 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 920.96 922.84 I just put the values in. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 926.83 933.81 to h have speech recognition programmed in every single remote might be a little pricey. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 933.81 935 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 935 942.79 Right so um yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 922.79 926.83 And if if you consider our budget, it probably if you consider our budget 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 924.81 927.9 It's a cool idea but 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 927.25 927.63 Yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 932.41 934.49 Yeah, I'm happy with that. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 934.49 935.13 Completely. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 934.61 935.01 Hu yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 939.16 944.01 Okay so are we gonna have just some kind of a like we'll have the buzzer on the som like on the T. V. itself. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 959.85 963.26 um so probably like a radio signal like on a on a cell phone. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 944.41 950.47 Well you would have to have a button on a T. V. or on your wall or some place since the T. V. already has power. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 950.47 956 Yeah you click the button, it's gonna send out a signal, and I was thinking, I. R. is line of sight 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 956 959.85 so unless the remote is like actually in front of the T. V. it's not gonna work 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 963.26 968.27 Sends out a signal and then the the remote hears the signal and so it beeps probably. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 946.21 946.43 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 947.81 948.16 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 949.62 950.03 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 963.08 963.29 Alright. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 961.55 962.24 Okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 962.24 963.08 Okay. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 963.06 963.73 Okay. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 962.25 963.06 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 963.25 963.65 Okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 968.52 969.02 Okay. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 969.1 973.89 So you you'd need like a separate base for that or like something you can right. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 972.15 978.41 It would have to be sold separately because if the sender's on the remote then you'd have to find the remote first to click the button to find the remote. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 977.26 978.14 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 979.72 983.44 So do you plug it in the T. you plug it in T. V., this thing? 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 982.93 986.2 Yeah, it'd probably just stick it on your T. V. so if you need to find the remote, click the button. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 984.46 985.73 Okay. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 985.73 986.25 Okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 986.4 988.63 So it's now like a two-part thing. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 989.66 989.9 Alright. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 988.63 989.66 Okay. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 988 989.66 Yeah, so it would be a two part package. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 989.88 990.39 Okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 991.14 993.36 So we get to design that too. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 993.36 994.69 Make it fashionable. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 995.94 997.44 Um, okay. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1005.95 1006.16 Huh. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 998.61 1005.95 So do you think even though we're not talking about speek speech recognition our target group should still be teenagers and young professionals. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1004.91 1005.64 Yeah I think so. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1006.62 1007.21 Just there. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1005.4 1006.62 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1007.72 1008.3 Okay. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1016.67 1021.79 Do you still want to build a little thing next to the telly or to p hang on the wall or shall we leave that for now? 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1008.69 1016.67 Are we um should that thing be on the thing to put the you s you talking about a home for it. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1007.98 1008.69 Mm. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1016.79 1017.14 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1023.52 1030.43 I mean I guess one takes care of the other, like um if you can yeah if you can call it then it's 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1022.64 1023.52 We probably leave that. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1025.75 1026.26 Okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1026.28 1026.74 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1030.9 1031.82 Then it can live anywhere. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1031.78 1033.24 Yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1032.69 1033.56 Okay. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1033.56 1040.86 For the so you have that button, that so there's is there a light or shall we leave just have a radio? 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1032.93 1033.28 Yeah. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1041.84 1044.65 Um on the T. V. or on the phone? 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1044.65 1050.45 Um it seemed like a a beep seemed the most reasonable to me, I think that's what the phone has 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1051.48 1055.93 you just have someone call it and it starts ringing somewhere and then you can figure out that it's in the couch or wherever. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1050.45 1051.48 I mean when you need to find your phone 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1041.97 1042.99 Are we just having a radio? 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1043.58 1044.29 On the phone. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1045.47 1045.56 T 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1046.31 1047.81 You don't need a light. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1047.81 1049.35 Yeah yeah yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1049.35 1049.83 Yeah yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1048.58 1048.96 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1050.33 1050.68 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1054.79 1059.18 And like if the if the phone's under the couch, you might not see the light, so yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1057.2 1059.9 You can hear it's under the couch yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1059.9 1062.83 Um, 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1059.82 1060.54 So i Yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1067.52 1069.34 So need the other buttons. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1069.34 1072.14 So we have this mm. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1078.63 1084.77 they're I mean one looked like it was for V. C. R. type thing, and the other looked like just television. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1071.48 1078.63 So I mean the two remotes that you had shown r I don't remember who showed them, yeah you you did um,
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1075.56 1076.88 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1075.7 1076.88 That was that was me. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1089.33 1089.94 And uh 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1084.07 1089.33 I think w I think they're both sort of just like general remo they're both general remotes. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1087.64 1088.21 Oh really. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1089.41 1094.94 'Cause that that is something we have to decide, is whether we want to have V. C. R. capabilities. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1095.08 1095.55 Yeah. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1095.43 1099.4 Does anyone know if V. C. R. s are the same across international? 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1099.99 1101.76 They're not no. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1100.57 1101.42 They're not, no. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1101.41 1105.2 Okay, so you'd need like a whole different set of buttons for everybody's V. C. R. s. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1101.79 1102.09 S 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1102.98 1104.61 Yeah, that's right, yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1104.61 1106.23 But D. V. D. probably is. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1103.34 1105.1 It not V. H. S. here? 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1107.46 1109.33 Yeah, other than that region and coding thing. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1109.48 1110.35 Um 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1110.29 1111.59 But V. C. R. s 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1110.69 1118.67 And and if we're if we're targeting young professionals and teenagers, I mean it's gonna be D. V. D. type, that's the the technology these days. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1116.91 1117.74 Yeah, for sure. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1116.03 1116.91 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1117.7 1118.85 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1127.99 1132.38 like 'cause if you just have like one menu button, that works like with a 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1118.85 1119.86 So. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1119.86 1127.99 Okay, let's see if I can I think still though, it shouldn't be that hard to take like just reduce the number of buttons you know,
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1117.83 1118.31 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1127.64 1128.03 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1133.52 1139.01 you know, or you can just kind of scroll through the options u that come up on the T. V. . 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1136.63 1137.03 Yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1137.78 1142.36 Well for sure we need the um I think we can just design the 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1149.84 1154.83 s and it's usually that red and I think it's quite nice to keep it like red. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1145.86 1149.84 I mean power's just a button, and it's not used that much 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1144.31 1145.86 channels? 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1146.51 1146.89 S 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1147.54 1147.99 Yeah. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1147.83 1148.09 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1148.22 1148.51 Huh. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1150.07 1150.4 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1151.66 1152.16 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1154.11 1154.63 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1159.72 1164.18 like if you hold one down it's it's a different colour than the other buttons but that turns it on. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1154.98 1159.72 You know, I've seen some remotes that where you just hold one 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1164.18 1167.58 So you don't actually have a separate power button, it's just 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1166.52 1168.02 Oh okay, yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1173.65 1179.4 Just 'cause I wouldn't I would probably pick it up and just be like uh why is there no on button. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1169.07 1173.65 I mean, like because unless you know yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1179.4 1179.97 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1179.97 1182.52 B Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1167.72 1169.07 It seems like that would be hard though. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1168.44 1168.73 But 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1172.96 1173.34 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1171.58 1172.96 It might be confusing. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1175.44 1176.02 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1186.23 1186.49 Right. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1182.95 1186.23 So we definitely want a power button and numbers. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1177.27 1179.26 Besides you like to be able to go power. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1179.26 1182.95 I have the power I guess. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1178.11 1181.35 Yeah, I never think to hold something down. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1178.41 1178.99 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1185.97 1186.45 Yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1186.48 1194.11 Well even um iPod thing, like um, I don't know if people like this but if you want to reduce the number, 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1195.8 1201.19 of buttons, instead of having like one to nine, have a sort of 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1202.05 1205.63 That sort of like joystick flat touch thing, yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1202.33 1204.16 scrolling I don't know. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1205.35 1210.27 Because people li seem now the iPod's out people seem to like this thing that there's no 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1204.16 1205.35 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1203.94 1205.18 Mm. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1211.98 1214.32 Know you don't have one two three four five 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1215.89 1219.91 it's it's funny like you f like I just I don't have an iPod but like I, you know 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1222.13 1226.57 and you just sort of and it's funny how you pick it up and you just figure out how to use it quite easily,
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1226.57 1227.98 like it's not that hard, you know. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1219.91 1222.13 I just like started messing around with one of my friend's the other day 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1213.48 1215.89 I think that's an interesting idea, 'cause it's cool,
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1212.93 1213.48 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1214.72 1214.95 Mm. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1227.65 1227.98 Yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1227.99 1231.27 Yeah yeah, it's just and it's one thing which has everything. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1231.77 1234.84 It is really but do you need a screen then, do you have to have a screen then? 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1229.73 1231.77 Yeah, and it is yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1234.82 1243.71 Well can't it tell the like can't you if you you can have the number on the telly going like one two three four five once you scroll and then 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1237.83 1240.35 Yeah, you can have the number going around in the corner. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1239.86 1240.59 Okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1239.09 1239.86 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1242.82 1245.65 Okay so we have this like scrolling sort of button. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1241.72 1242.82 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1240.59 1241.72 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1243.35 1244.3 Oh that's gonna 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1245.7 1249.64 Is that like on on a mouse pad where like kind of okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1246.33 1247.11 Like a disc. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1248.97 1249.21 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1249.21 1252.63 It's like it's just like the same technology as a mouse pad. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1248.29 1248.97 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1250.88 1252.05 I've never used one. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1252.05 1252.25 No. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1250.97 1254.97 It's like l this like that, and then you do that. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1253.67 1254.01 Okay. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1255.34 1255.94 Okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1255.34 1255.72 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1256.86 1257.49 Yeah and then. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1256.92 1264.64 And then you can have um if you actually just want to zap, you can have like a thing 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1265.72 1271.7 like that, and that, and then it can just be plus and minus. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1272.5 1275.45 So like it's like a little part of the circle that 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1271.47 1272.5 Okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1276.55 1279.76 Or it oh so it's just a region of the circle that you can 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1277.25 1278.27 Yeah, you can 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1278.16 1278.58 Well i 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1280.59 1283.21 Yeah, click o actually click on to have 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1281.51 1281.97 Okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1280.98 1281.51 zap. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1282.02 1288.06 We could we could even have four buttons, like, if that's the if that's the mouse 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1288.06 1292.26 you could have the volume and the channel changers just like on that as well. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1289.33 1289.71 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1291.52 1295.44 So volume could be like the top it and the bottom So do you need to okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1290.74 1291.52 Yeah. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1294.88 1297.63 Doesn't it rotate though, so it'll be moving around. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1296.77 1300.25 Well y you have to you have to like be able to change the function of it to like 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1301.76 1302.75 What do you mean the function? 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1302.73 1304.43 I mean like okay, 'cause so 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1306.58 1313.18 I dunno, I guess Okay so when you g scroll your thumb like around it, it'll s like say you're go you're going clockwise. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1317.5 1321.08 But then so if you wanna switch to the to u do you have to switch to a function where 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1313.18 1317.5 That that means you're gonna go up the channels, and then you scroll the other way and it'll go down. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1315.67 1315.9 Yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1317.14 1317.44 Yeah. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1317.44 1317.68 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1329.36 1330.82 that's that way and volume is up and down. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1322.31 1329.36 like y so you're either in that mode or you're in the mode where like it just has like the four like you know this is channel that way 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1331.62 1333.75 Yeah but it knows for some reason. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1333.75 1334.89 The iPod knows. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1332.88 1333.43 It just 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1336.03 1336.67 S 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1334.53 1336.03 It just kno the iPod knows. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1335.21 1337.87 If it works on an iPod then it works. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1337.78 1338.35 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1338.35 1341.79 So you just you just can either do this or like you can just touch it if you want. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1338.22 1338.45 Huh. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1339.42 1340.31 I don't have one. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1341.76 1346.33 Well for the volume you have to press the middle, and then go up. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1344.74 1345.48 That's what I mean. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1344.36 1344.74 Okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1345.48 1345.84 Okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1346.84 1351.49 Okay so you have to like press this middle region and then you can scroll up, go up and down. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1348.05 1348.46 Oh. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1351.09 1352.9 And then well if you do that it goes,
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1352.9 1359.02 but if you like that makes more sense 'cause there's already ones with up and down here, that I've seen. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1351.36 1352.7 So it's like holding 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1356.88 1357.63 You can o 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1359.25 1359.78 And you 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1366.82 1367.07 Like 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1360.92 1362.87 you is there an extra actual button? 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1362.87 1366.82 Or are you actually you're just using the mouse to go up and down. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1366.29 1370.74 Well what you for the iPod you press an w right if you're on the channel let's say,
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1370.74 1376.15 then you press on the middle and then if you do that again the volume goes up, and if you do that it goes down. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1376.15 1381.84 But if you wanna keep it with volume here and here, I'm pretty sure 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1367.24 1367.64 It's like a b 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1370.19 1370.51 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1372.11 1372.39 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1374.57 1374.92 Right. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1375.89 1376.16 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1382.16 1388.94 Well I mean if if you're gonna this for channels, right, then y wouldn't the volume need to be separate somehow? 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1388.94 1389.9 Like you could just have 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1385.43 1385.76 Yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1391.06 1394.4 I don't know, you could click and then have it up and down, but I think 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1391.62 1392.65 Oh, like 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1393.18 1393.59 Like 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1393.63 1394.81 Oh you could actually 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1407.03 1407.44 Okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1398.7 1406.2 But the only thing is like, iPods are so expensive, like, it has to be is that part of yeah, I dunno, I dunno. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1395.73 1398.7 I think we can go on the fact that it does just work with the iPod. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1406.2 1407.03 You don't think so? 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1397.97 1398.82 Yeah yeah yeah. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1398.45 1398.98 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1398.57 1398.9 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1403.09 1407.65 Is that what makes them expensi I think it's all of they have so much memory though, that's it's 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1404.09 1406.04 I don't think so. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1407.03 1409.33 I don't think it's the wheel dealy. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1408.12 1408.63 I think it 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1409.78 1415.8 I think it's the uh h it's their capabili I mean they it can hold what like five thousand songs or something. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1409.16 1409.78 Yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1409.72 1410.02 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1410.02 1410.56 Okay. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1414.39 1414.71 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1415.53 1420.13 I'm thinking we could if if we're hav So ba I mean but an iPod just has that circle thing you know. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1414.75 1415.53 Yeah. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1419.47 1424.13 You can put on your songs and then put on a different set, that's probably why they're expensive, they're like little computers. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1417.98 1419.47 And they're re-programmable aren't they? 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1421.53 1421.84 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1420.84 1421.53 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1419.59 1420.84 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1422.63 1423.99 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1429.4 1436.72 like it could be a cool sort of you know, because it could be circular, you know, or something weird like that, just 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1423.99 1425.3 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1425.3 1429.4 Well like since it just has the circle thing, you could make it a qui a kind of cool shape,
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1423.41 1423.64 S 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1430.13 1430.53 Yeah. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1431.4 1431.66 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1434.25 1434.98 Yeah yeah yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1439.5 1440.93 Because, the other thing, 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1435.98 1439.5 Well it could just be simple instead of being a l mass. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1442.41 1446.84 I didn't tell you all my presentation, is that people find it 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1460.35 1462.5 Volume oh we've ts just said that. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1457.24 1460.35 Um, what other buttons were there? 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1449.16 1457.24 find that it's a big waste of time to have to learn how to use your remote and that's another thing they complained about. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1453.59 1454.05 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1454.63 1455.31 Mm. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1456.37 1456.78 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1464.59 1465.43 So okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1465.43 1469.34 This is just for T. V., it's not for or it is does need to be compatible with 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1464.84 1466.06 Channel selection. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1469.1 1469.49 I 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1469.54 1470.43 Um 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1470.6 1474.59 A D. V. D. is simple, you just have play, pause, eject, 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1473.68 1474.77 So how do you switch 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1472.72 1473.68 Yeah. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1473.76 1474.3 Menu. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1483.98 1489.55 So I'll I'll check that and update you on the next But we'll hold off on that 'cause 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1476.52 1483.98 I'm not sure if they meant o onl use only for television as in not for D. V. D. or just not internet type things. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1474.05 1476.52 You know actually our our new project requirements 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1476.44 1477.29 and menu maybe. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1482.52 1483.13 Oh yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1484.72 1485.13 Okay. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1486.6 1487.98 So like if we had that 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1489.08 1489.74 Yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1490.29 1491.36 But s yeah uh. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1490.99 1493.01 But D. V. D. players usually have their own remote. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1493.6 1495.17 That's true, yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1495.17 1496.98 So, I know I'm not c really clear on what 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1494.32 1494.73 Yeah. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1496.22 1499.79 But it's cool to have it all on one, because you wanna turn it on then you wanna turn up the volume,
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1499.79 1502.63 and then you wanna go to the menu, so you don't wanna switch. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1497.7 1499.04 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1497.76 1498.63 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1501.26 1501.66 Mm. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1500.46 1501.26 Mm. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1500.73 1501.35 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1510.33 1510.59 So 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1500.88 1504.89 So you'd have to have like I think you would have to have like a function switch button,
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1504.89 1510.33 you know somewhere so like you can you're either on T. V., you're on D. V. D. or you're on V. C. R., or you're like. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1509.27 1509.77 Yeah. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1510.24 1512.39 Well but D. V. D. is only like four buttons. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1512.52 1513.85 Yeah, it is only fun 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1512.92 1518.99 Yeah, but I mean like to switch the fun so like to switch the function of the little circle disc, the touch pad. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1514.09 1514.68 But i 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1518.82 1527.48 But I think the circle only does channel isn't applicable to D. V. D. really 'cause you don't wanna but volume is and volume is actually controlled on the T. V. so you don't have to switch. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1518.49 1518.82 Oh. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1518.78 1519.31 Yeah. 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1523.6 1524.91 Yeah but it it would be 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1545.52 1547.89 to different I mean do we need to think about that, that like 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1535.04 1545.52 but then if uh if you're on D. V. D. then like the channel bu like the the region of the disc that was for channels is for like switching to different tracks or s you know,
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1531.52 1535.04 so like you're if you're on T. V., like you can switch channels 
ES2011b H02 FEE043 1527.68 1531.52 So but I'm saying like, does it make sense to have like some kind of a button,
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1548.08 1550.99 Um, yeah, let's think about it 'cause we need to wrap up. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1570.94 1571.53 See you soon. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1562.75 1570.94 um yeah, so think about the things we've discussed and bring some new ideas to our next meeting. 
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1553.55 1562.75 Um so everyone's gonna go finish their questionnaire, uh then when we come back after lunch we'll have thirty minutes of individual work,
ES2011b H00 FEE041 1550.99 1553.55 Um let's see. 
ES2011b H01 FEE042 1548.29 1549.23 Yes we can try that. 
ES2011b H03 FEE044 1550.89 1552.93 Okay. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 77.95 79.62 Um. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 74.59 77.95 Hi everyone, hope you had a nice lunch. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 79.62 83 Alright we're moving on to conceptual design. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 83.55 86.91 'Scuse me. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 86.03 86.6 Bless you. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 88.02 92.44 Um, I'll just review what we did in our last meeting. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 92.44 97.5 Um, under marketing we targeted our audience, and 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 98.68 100.41 Um, yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 101.12 106.13 That was generally how helpful that was. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 106.13 112.85 Um, then we considered some design options with how it should look, um,
ES2011c H00 FEE041 112.85 119.71 we discussed an iPod-like button system which, uh, we haven't concluded but we're 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 120.72 122.49 Right, um 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 124.67 133.72 So, if you all have presentations to do, we can see what where you've come from our last time. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 134.77 136.22 Does everyone have presentations? 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 135.29 135.6 Hmm. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 136.72 137.33 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 136.86 137.94 Yes. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 138.32 139.75 Would anybody like to go first? 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 137.28 138.32 Okay. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 137.3 137.83 Yes. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 141.06 141.56 Sure. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 141.94 142.09 Okay. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 165.68 167.38 Um. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 161.56 165.68 So I've been looking at the components design. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 167.38 173.26 Mostly by consulting remote control diagrams from the internet and also by incorporating design ideas from the last project meeting. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 181 188.93 Um, I assume we'll be custom designing our case, probably a hard plastic or some other material case, to protect the remote and the locator. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 175.35 181 Um, so we need some custom design parts, and other parts we'll just use standard. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 190.16 193.04 And we'll need to custom desi design a circuit board 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 193.04 199.92 because the circuit board has to take the button input and send it to the output so you have to design that each time. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 199.92 203.3 But once we come up with a design we'll send it to the circuit people and they'll just print it out. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 209.37 213.92 The infrared L. E. D. is actually gonna be included in the circuit board that comes with it. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 204.39 209.37 Um, standard parts include the buttons and the wheels, um the iPod-style wheel. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 216.71 222.18 And al we also need a beeper or buzzer or other sort of noise thing for locating the remote. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 213.92 216.71 Um, we need a radio sender and receiver, those are standard. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 223.54 225.19 So we have some material options. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 225.19 229.14 Um, we can use rubber, plastic, wood or titanium. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 229.14 235.18 Um, I'd recommend against titanium because it can only be used in the flat cases and it's really heavy. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 235.18 240.99 Um, and the rubber case requires rubber buttons, so if we definitely want plastic buttons, we shouldn't have a rubber case. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 245.09 250.68 And why not wood? 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 243.83 245.09 And why not wood? 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 243.83 245.14 And, hmm? 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 257.23 262.18 We can't use the minimal chip, we need the next higher grade, which is called regular. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 262.18 264.77 I don't think it's much more expensive, but it is more expensive. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 248.87 251.22 I don't know why we'd want to. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 251.22 257.23 Um and also we should note that if we want an iPod-style wheel button, it's gonna require a m qu slightly more expensive chip. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 246.3 248.87 Uh, well we can use wood. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 265.94 268.43 So that's what I've got on design. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 271.33 271.7 'S good. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 280.58 282.56 'Cause I have to say something about the material 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 279.27 280.58 Um, can I do next? 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 281.85 282.14 Hmm. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 282.55 282.79 Yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 283.7 285.73 which is quite shocking. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 292.77 293.49 Ha. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 293.49 293.54 Mm. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 310.16 318.7 Right, um, I have been searching the current trends, um, both on the web and via fashion-watchers,
ES2011c H03 FEE044 325.7 326.58 Um. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 318.7 325.7 and the findings are that the first thing to aim for is a fashion uh, fancy look and feel. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 326.58 331.85 Next comes technologic technology and the innovations to do with that. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 331.85 334.37 And th last thing is the 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 366.97 369.57 you know, wh whatever our motto is. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 369.57 370.31 Um. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 338.07 347.27 Um, fancy look and feel goes far beyond the functionality of the thing, but I suppose that is included in in the ease of use. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 347.27 355.28 Um, our fashion-watchers in Milan and Paris have decided, well noticed 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 355.28 366.97 that f the fruit and vegetable theme is the is the current trend and and therefore um we need to go for that if we want,
ES2011c H03 FEE044 335.61 338.07 easy to use um factor. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 374.65 378.84 So we want to put the fashion electronics, we need to go fruit and vegetables. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 370.9 373.11 For fashion, we go for fashion. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 378.84 389.34 And also go for a spongy feel, so the the question of our technology whate is Industrial Designer. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 389.34 395.48 As to the material should be limited to I don't know how spongy it can be, should discuss this together 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 373.11 374.65 The fashion in electronics. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 395.48 400.52 I don't know how spongy can be achieved but apparently that's the way to go. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 371.48 371.66 Mm. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 401.62 402.97 Um. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 402.97 412.45 I I have been thinking about this fruit and vegetable thing and I prefer fruits to vegetables, but that's just a personal opinion. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 412.45 418.02 I think I think people like to have a fruit instead of a vegetables in their sitting room. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 418.02 423.28 Uh those are just suggestions and also we need to decide whether this should be printed,
ES2011c H03 FEE044 423.28 431.01 so that still has to do with the material discuss should we print the fruit stuff, or should the actual remote look like a fruit? 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 446.51 450.28 Um, yeah, to summarise these are the points that need to be 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 435.96 446.51 It has to be technologically innovative so maybe again our Industrial Designer should look into that or find come up with a solution that's better than mine. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 431.64 435.96 Um, and finally again with the spongy. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 461.03 462.41 Thank you for your attention. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 451.33 461.03 um, touched in order to get a good decision, and hopefully our User Interface has more to say about the matter. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 460.49 462.32 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 477.83 479.28 So. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 480.83 482.86 I think it's the next it's the blue one, yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 484.93 485.28 Uh. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 481.74 484.93 Oh, uh, there we go. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 489.77 490.45 Okay. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 490.45 491.81 Um. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 495.22 503.77 I actually wasn't aware of the new trends in electronics and and uh 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 491.81 495.22 Well so that fruit and vegetables thing huh. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 500.28 500.95 Neither was I. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 500.95 509.26 Well it's a trend in fashion, in clothing and um fabrics. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 505.35 509.16 Yeah but you're not gonna wear your remote control. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 512.27 513.26 Okay, uh 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 507.96 512.27 So so okay, let me get this right. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 519.05 528.89 Trying we're gonna try to talk about, um what kind of uh how people are actually going to be using this iPod-ish remote control 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 517.53 519.05 Conceptual User Interface. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 542.34 545.59 Um, kind of I mean I assume, are we still on the screen idea? 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 539.16 542.34 Uh, so people are going to be looking at this little screen. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 531.76 539.16 And, um, basically, so, this is a touched ba a touch-based graphical interface system. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 528.89 531.76 based on fruit vegetable design. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 514.54 515.66 Okay, alright anyway. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 515.66 517.53 Um here we go. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 546.39 549.62 Oh we s hadn't discussed it last time. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 548.98 558.7 'Cause if we're gonna have to ha if we have this it just seems like in order to have someone going around and using the um the wheel 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 559.17 560.55 You need a screen for it? 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 559.99 561.79 you it seems like you would need a screen. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 566.11 568.41 With T. V. channels it's, you know, one two three. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 561.42 566.11 You need a screen with music because you're looking for a specific song, like you know that band or whatever. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 568.41 569.07 So 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 570.21 575.45 So, b you you're gonna have to switch to like D. V. D. and like other things like that, aren't you? 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 565.66 570.21 But like if you think about it yeah but if so is it just okay. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 575.45 576.54 Are we 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 581.49 582.09 Um. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 574.42 581.49 We're, um, we're actually not having D. V. D., that was one of th I I was sorry, I I meant to update you on that. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 577 577.55 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 578.28 580.16 Okay. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 581.33 581.66 Okay. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 580.16 581.33 Alright. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 581.69 584.9 But the screen can come up on the telly, the she said. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 584.9 585.77 That correct? 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 593.34 596.33 So basically it's just gonna be a wheel then? 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 585.66 593.34 So anyway if well we just we need to Okay so if we're not gonna have a screen I think I was thinking okay. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 596.33 601.14 And you're just gonna I mean I think you're gonna have to have some kind of a right. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 584.91 585.66 Okay. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 612.77 617.39 um, you know, channels one two three four five six seven eight nine. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 601.14 607.91 Yeah like you're g yeah like you're gonna have to be able to switch to like a mode where you can okay we're not choosing that, I guess. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 584.04 584.91 Okay. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 617.39 619.72 So that people seems to be well 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 607.91 612.77 But like choose channel control, like if you wa Because people aren't gonna be able to have like,
ES2011c H01 FEE042 585.19 585.46 Yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 601.45 604.01 Uh on the you can have it on the telly though. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 600.2 601.45 Graphical interface? 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 603.72 604.03 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 616.59 616.92 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 619.15 621.61 You've Yeah, I know what you're saying, you have to 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 623.48 630.68 So um I guess that's wh why I was thinking you may need to have some kind of a screen because 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 621.19 623.48 But you're gonna have to scroll to get channels. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 620.67 621.19 You know. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 643.52 647.02 You can just scroll and you can just get to like five or like twelve or 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 631.75 643.52 So that people can go arou go back and forth and choose if or or then again if you just I guess I c I can see like some kind of a thing where like you sort of have like the number come up on the T. V. like what channel you're on. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 642.64 644.37 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 644.37 645.1 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 643.71 644.01 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 646.96 648.44 But but imagine someone with s 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 647.14 650.22 My flatmates actually had one with a wheel, and it it did show up on the T. V. . 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 649.61 650.76 I oh yeah? 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 654.28 656.85 Then to get to channel one eighty nine you have to 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 651.44 654.28 But i what if you have satellite and you have like two hundred channels. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 654.55 659.86 'Cause you'll have to like but you can quickly s you can 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 655.67 656.59 Yeah. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 656.55 658.93 They have to r wheel really fast. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 658.93 662.42 But I think the wheel goes through like a hundred channels, at least on theirs. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 657.76 658.84 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 660.44 661.03 Yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 660.46 661.77 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 668.26 672.19 you know, range we need to have on the wheel, and um 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 662.55 668.26 Yeah if you do, it w so it would have to be you I mean so you basically just kinda need to figure out like what kind of,
ES2011c H02 FEE043 680.3 683.97 you know, you can like tap for, um, different 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 673.31 680.3 So you're either you're you know, th you're either doing this motion to like control the channels or like once once you stop that,
ES2011c H00 FEE041 683.24 683.81 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 685.91 694.24 uh, whatchamacallits, different um, you know, functions like volume or, like you can tap just to get to different channels. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 695.92 699.83 Like if you just wanted to go to like from five to six you could tap or someth 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 699.93 700.31 Right. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 708.28 713.86 or if you want to um you know switch around, I don't know,
ES2011c H02 FEE043 701.01 708.28 And then there's also the concern about you know um how do you get to the menu if you wanna change the brightness of your television,
ES2011c H02 FEE043 713.86 719.12 like, these different modes like turn on the timer or like something something like that, like 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 716.46 716.73 Yeah 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 718.68 726.6 I mean with that many options, you'd uh I'd think that the screen would be better, because you could have that menu option, sort of 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 723.22 724.81 I would think so too, like 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 731.21 736.31 you know, because but then again it would it does make kind of if the screen's sort of just like an option that,
ES2011c H02 FEE043 726.18 731.21 So I mean and it seems it w it does seem a little silly to have this screen if you hardly are ever using it,
ES2011c H02 FEE043 736.31 741.6 like, is just there and you're not really using it, that's kind of m yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 731.94 732.29 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 739.17 739.54 Yeah. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 743.14 746.16 You have to get a an advanced chip if you wanna have a screen in,
ES2011c H01 FEE042 739.79 743.14 It's more expensive according to the design people. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 746.16 749.64 which is more expensive than the regular chip, which is more expensive than the minimal. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 741.75 743.07 Uh. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 742.47 743.74 Yeah, that's the only thing though. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 749.06 749.85 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 749.85 755.98 So then basically it has to have some way to get to get to a mode on the television where you're doing, um 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 750.42 750.75 Mm. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 757.26 759.42 You can get to you know, you can 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 760.44 763.81 Like maybe it'll be that central button that, like 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 768.3 771.59 like, to do the timer, to do the yeah, yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 763.81 768.3 then you hit that and then you can it brings up like the menu on the T. V. and you can just scroll around,
ES2011c H03 FEE044 762.77 763.87 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 763.34 763.76 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 763.83 763.97 Mm. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 766.88 767.38 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 768.17 771.04 So the T. V. is the screen, that yeah 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 767.4 768.17 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 771.8 774.97 So it would have all these different options of changing 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 773.78 775.39 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 775.39 777.81 But the remote itself isn't really cluttered up. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 775.96 776.42 to 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 776.87 778.35 Look it even has settings. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 777.87 778.16 Okay. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 779.51 781.45 Hmm? 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 781.45 789.14 Yeah, well we don't want the screen I guess, but um 'cause that just it does seem like, it that would be, like, incredibly expensive,
ES2011c H02 FEE043 789.14 797.09 but I dunno, and then so, it just im really all you need is, like, this little wheel then, and you can control everything. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 779.53 784.75 On the you can just take theirs and just 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 780.05 780.21 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 782.19 782.39 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 798.32 799.02 So 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 802.22 804.61 Um, right. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 812.71 819.77 um, and you just have this, it's like just a long silver thing, or whatever we're thinking. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 824.19 824.81 Or 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 819.77 824.19 I mean are you you gonna have any buttons on that besides power and this thing? 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 805.99 812.71 What if I mean, if you're thinking of the design of it now, like the a you know, physical attributes,
ES2011c H02 FEE043 812.03 812.38 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 825.12 834.56 It doesn't seem that you would need anything besides pow I mean and the power button could even be like hold down the menu button for like longer than one second and it turns on the T. V. . 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 831.32 831.63 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 834.74 840.02 So can we imagine that this would be smaller than the remote controls that you showed us before. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 840.02 841.8 I mean okay. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 840.02 840.53 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 840.53 841.25 Yeah definitely. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 841.25 843.63 Like, I think we're looking at something that could be, like 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 844.98 850.28 like even maybe like a cir I'm f I'm seeing almost like a circular sort of like handheld like thing. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 850.28 856.19 I mean it it needs to be easy to somehow it needs to be easy to like manipulate and use your 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 850.08 851.84 Yeah but should be comfortable. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 850.69 852.05 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 852.05 852.45 Yeah. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 850.93 851.21 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 856.45 856.75 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 857.32 859.12 I mean how do how do I'm not really 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 861.24 867.28 Like when I use an iPod, I end up just kind of using my index finger to like control it. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 867.28 867.76 So 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 866.87 870.05 Yeah, I've seen some people just going like that with their thumb, yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 869.15 870.4 Or your thumb or something. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 870.4 871.03 So 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 868.53 869.15 Yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 868.97 870.61 Yeah I use it like that. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 870.36 875.17 W when we had the wheely remote control, we it was on the top I think, if you held it like that. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 874.74 875.09 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 875.12 876.8 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 876.8 877.82 Yeah, so 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 875.25 875.73 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 876.88 878.69 But, were there buttons on there as well? 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 878.72 882.74 Yeah well it had the wheely thing and then it had those eighteen different buttons that I don't know what they do. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 882.74 884.2 So we just used the top part. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 881.63 882.67 Mm. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 882.67 883.27 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 882.7 883.5 Mm yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 884.6 885.06 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 887.76 890.29 Like, I d I mean, you you want it to be large enough that 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 885.04 887.76 Yeah, so but I mean I think it could be pretty small. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 885.13 885.43 Uh. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 891.57 892.94 you can 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 892.13 898.73 What if, um, you had like a b a cover that went over buttons that you don't use very much? 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 903.98 910.57 So the options are there but they're not in interfering with the design and the practicality of it. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 898.73 903.98 Like you so you could slide it up if you needed to like change the contrast or something like that? 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 912.13 913.61 But can't you just get 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 913.81 915.23 Like, uh, yeah just something 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 912.65 913.81 Do do you know what I'm talking about though? 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 913.43 914.51 Yeah. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 914.51 918.78 Yeah like maybe something on the side where you slip a panel down and it's got a whole bunch of 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 914.86 914.94 K 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 915.89 918.34 Well you can have it on the settings, no? 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 916.52 918.75 Yeah, that you can flip over, yeah, yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 917.97 919.89 Yeah, But, I mean, do you need that? 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 919.89 927.09 If if you can get to, you know if so long as you're able to bring up the menu on the T. V. screen. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 927.09 927.66 That keeps it 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 926.01 931.66 Yeah I mean I guess that's the thing is is if w I if we can do this, that'd probably be 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 926.8 927.27 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 928.71 929.36 really 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 931.89 934.64 Uh you wouldn't I don't I just don't think you would even need it. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 931.04 931.89 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 934.64 935.42 So 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 933.83 934.56 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 935.86 945.84 So I guess we have to look into the, um, like, the programming, how this how they actually programme these things, and if that's yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 936.04 936.87 Mean 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 944.02 945.82 Oh how they make the menu show up on the T. V. ? 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 947.28 950.99 I mean you can do it, you it's it doesn't seem that hard. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 947.39 949.18 I don't know. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 949.18 952.97 I believe it's ins it's gotta be inside the T. V., not inside the remote. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 947.77 950.7 I mean it would y would that would be 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 947.95 949.25 They already do it. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 953.8 954.95 I mean I've never bought a remote. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 954.95 958.49 It sounds like this remote's going to be purchased separately from the television, which is a little 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 954.45 955.27 I'm not sure. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 959.17 959.79 Well 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 957.98 959.17 Well they usually are. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 962.79 963.68 But um 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 959.74 962.79 My I've never bought just a remote, like, so I don't I don't really know. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 961.72 962.16 No. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 962.51 962.78 Huh. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 963.65 964.4 I guess that's right. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 964.4 966.66 It always comes with the T. V. . 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 971.12 976.57 like bringing up the menu screen if you need to like change the date or whatever, you know. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 966.22 971.12 So, um but I mean it's I've never had a hard time with like my remotes,
ES2011c H02 FEE043 976.57 979.7 And I don't think that should uh that should be too hard. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 979.72 982.62 Yeah, it most of the ones we've had have had the menu button 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 986.92 989.23 'Cause it just doesn't come up every day or something. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 982.62 986.92 'cause it's not like you need to have a button access to like change the contrast or something. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 986.56 986.91 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 989.2 990.55 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 990.55 991.52 Well so 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1003.89 1004.73 That's what it does anyway. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 993.28 995.72 So, do we need I dunno. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 995.72 1003.89 Well I guess we have to you know think about But I mean you just basically need the output signal you know to be able to bring it up. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1001.15 1001.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1001.75 1003.36 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1003.36 1003.69 Okay. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1010.59 1017.99 they have these sort of abbreviations and codes that you're supposed to understand, and I never get it. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1017.99 1019.68 Never ever. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1004.64 1010.59 But also if you have it on the screen you can actually write everything out, because the problem with buttons is you like,
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1019.68 1020.65 So 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1014.02 1014.68 Yeah. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1014.44 1014.96 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1014.7 1018.41 Yeah, you don't know they mean, yeah, it's like yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1017.86 1018.36 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1024.72 1025.98 On the telly, okay, yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1025.98 1027.02 So yeah I think, I mean 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1027.02 1036.92 I think I think the touch-based graphical interface is a really uh cool idea because you know it is so obnoxious to like have to push those like okay now I hit this you know,
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1036.92 1041.58 you have your little guide out and you're like, hit this button twice, like to activate the date. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1019.99 1024.72 So, but oh, you mean if we have this screen like the iPod screen? 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1023.62 1024.78 Well on the telly. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1024.23 1025.83 Or on the T. V. too. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1039.26 1040.3 Mm. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1040.3 1044.43 And it is technologically innovative in a way, so that fits with the 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1039.88 1040.36 Mm. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1043.03 1043.42 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1043.42 1045.02 I guess. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1045.02 1048.67 And it is trendy, the iPods are really hot right now, so 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1045.56 1045.58 B 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1047.01 1047.19 Yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1047.98 1052.39 Did you did you get that pc picture on did they provide you with that picture on the web? 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1051.68 1055.86 Um, yeah, by web research, yeah, so 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1055.69 1056.79 That's quite interesting. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1058.16 1064.61 What are we going to do about this vegetable thing that I'm dreading? 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1061.32 1063.08 Oh god. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1061.42 1063.71 Oh, I was gonna say. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1063.71 1066.21 You said uh people want spongy. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1071.68 1073.48 So, that would be spongy. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1066.21 1071.68 Um, one of your one of the material options is a sort of rubber that's in like those stress ball things. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1061.58 1062.19 Oh. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1066.33 1066.61 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1066.48 1067.04 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1071.83 1074.26 Oh, okay, that would be cool. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1074.26 1075.67 Mm. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1072.39 1073.74 Yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1073.74 1074.07 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1073.38 1074.14 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1072.47 1073.38 Ah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1075.4 1077.94 Just nice feel, but I hate spongy. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1077.91 1080.3 Yeah, c that's e that would be kind of oh, you know,
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1085 1092.41 But what if we ha what if we had like a spongy sort of like stress balley kinda so you're like 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1080.3 1085 usually like the touch pad things are kind of a hard plastic typ mouse type, you know, thing. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1078.39 1078.68 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1083.54 1083.89 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1085.28 1086.92 I mean definitely the area round it. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1092.35 1093.2 Yeah I think it could work. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1093.44 1101.58 Or what if we integrated the the uh the f what if the whole thing about the fruit and vegetables we somehow made it tactilely fash you know,
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1101.58 1103.78 we c tapped into that, so like it feels like 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1093.54 1093.78 Yeah. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1104.11 1108.1 Don't think I'd want it to feel like a banana. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1104.9 1108.93 Well it could be like mobiles that just you just put a cover. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1104.94 1107.25 a vegetable. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1105.46 1107.95 An orange. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1109.56 1110.22 Yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1123.84 1127.85 You know you had there was a time when they had all these different covers for mobiles. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1115.78 1123.84 which frankly I'm not particularly fond of, um you could just have covers and then your mobile f it's like a mobile phone thing. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1110.01 1115.78 If it's a small thing, you c instead of creating an object for it that looks like a banana,
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1124.16 1125.09 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1124.38 1124.88 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1126.65 1127.6 Yeah. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1126.89 1134.61 You could do like the computers where they have like the grapefruit, apple machine and they have like the blueberry, like all the colours are named after fruits. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1132.61 1133.5 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1134.36 1135.09 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1132.94 1134.36 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1134.93 1138.65 You could name it after fruits and vegetables, or 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1134.33 1134.93 Yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1134.73 1135.08 Yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1142.58 1145.49 and then if you have a green one you can have well I don't know. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1145.49 1145.55 Um. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1137.19 1142.58 And it could the colour can fit your sitting room, so if you have red sitting room you can have strawberry 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1145.29 1145.81 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1176.49 1177.02 Um 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1152.88 1157.82 If you have like that stress ball material kind of as what you're actually holding in your hand,
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1157.82 1164.29 so like what you're feeling is comfortable, and then there's more of a hard plastic thing where that thing is. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1146.85 1152.88 So what if what this is I'm just forming this idea in my head of how this thing is looking. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1171.7 1176.49 Is that kind of I 'cause I I'm thinking of silver because those are our company colours. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1164.29 1171.7 And on that hard plastic thing you can change either the colour or the fruit or vegetable that's on there. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1147.07 1148.89 So I think yeah, colours. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1161.67 1162.08 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1163.4 1164.32 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1171.39 1172.01 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1175.61 1177.19 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1181.02 1181.9 Um 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1177.19 1180.07 Unfortunately they don't have silver fruits and vegetables. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1180.07 1181.02 I do I dunno. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1184.58 1191.21 I mean how are you how are you all envisioning by what we've just the feedback we've just got about the 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1191.52 1192.6 Maybe a ball. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1193.73 1194.28 A ball? 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1198.98 1201.03 A relaxing squashy ball. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1196.29 1198.98 Know, a squashy ball. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1208.73 1217.5 you're thinking the opposite of me 'cause you're thinking you change the the hard bit and I'm thinking how do you change the hard would you put a um 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1201.84 1208.73 That you can p well I see you're thinking, it's weird 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1202.54 1206.12 That's in the shape of a fruit, like a 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1212.6 1212.99 Yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1219.89 1224.31 Because I was thinking if you have a cover for the squashy bit, like a 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1218.38 1219.89 sticker sort of? 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1225.33 1226.39 This is just 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1227.15 1228.07 Okay. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1230.33 1231.42 Squashy. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1228.07 1230.33 Say that's the s say that's the squashy bit. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1228.06 1229.66 Oh, okay, yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1230.79 1233.62 Yeah I was thinking of getting a cover for 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1244.17 1250.33 And like this you could have like you could have like cherries and things around there. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1234.04 1244.17 That see I was thinking this s sorry I was thinking this bit here would be the cover and like that's your actual thing. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1250.33 1251.55 Um but 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1236.51 1238.51 Well I don't know if it's cheaper actually. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1235.24 1236.51 Which is cheaper. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1237.47 1237.92 Oh. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1237.92 1238.14 Mm. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1244.84 1246.28 Oh I like that shape. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1243.53 1244.84 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1247.4 1248.1 Yeah. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1250.55 1254.07 I was thinking sort of a single ball shape. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1254.07 1256.64 So you're holding a squishy ball and then it has a 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1253.26 1254.19 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1253.51 1259.11 I was thinking if it was like this 'cause the way you were describing the the iPod and the thi the roll thingy 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1258.95 1261.08 It's like it has to be s yeah. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1259.25 1259.57 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1260.16 1264.85 It's almost like your thumb is farther up, so if if you could squish it lower then 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1262.8 1263.42 Yeah I guess so. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1263.99 1264.75 Yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1265.69 1268.56 So it wouldn't be very big in either like how big? 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1264.4 1265.69 Yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1268.56 1271.84 This big, and then you just do that, I suppose. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1281.53 1286.53 and then you could have like the banana squishy thing and you could get you could have your choice, you know? 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1270.81 1275.13 What if, yeah, what if the squishy, oh so so you're saying the squishy part's like detachable 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1275.13 1281.53 and you can so so maybe one you know you can have like the broccoli squishy thing,
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1270.92 1272.27 Yeah, I know what you meant, yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1293.2 1300.5 But well the question is, which one's easiest to change and we can just contact our relevant department for that 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1300.5 1303.97 and just see what the cost is for covering that or covering that,
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1303.97 1310.44 and for now we can do two prototypes maybe and then hi try and ask users what the best is, and 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1286.23 1293.2 Well just a li I can't des like condom thingy, like a a cover. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1297.1 1297.5 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1300.55 1301.68 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1303.31 1304.6 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1303.83 1304.05 Mm. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1307.22 1307.64 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1309.08 1309.32 Okay. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1312.32 1312.61 Okay. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1311.19 1312.32 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1313.34 1314 Oh. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1311.33 1313.34 Yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1311.97 1312.24 No. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1313.82 1314.36 Um. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1314.36 1315.15 That's nicer. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1315.15 1318.31 I think it's nicer to have a drawing 'cause it's neater. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1315.88 1316.76 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1318.79 1318.96 Hmm. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1319.97 1320.66 Um. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1320.39 1322.28 Well that's not very neat, but 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1322.29 1322.94 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1322.94 1328.28 I mean I think uh and I think the handhe I think the handheld part is definitely 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1329.62 1331.25 So you could make that 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1332.36 1333.74 into the fruit and vegetable part. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1333.99 1338.57 If it's a bit like those juggling balls, you can change shape according to your 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1340.6 1346.75 If it's got sand in it maybe, or something, you it it just moulds to your hand. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1339.47 1340.6 to the way you hold it. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1340.11 1341.68 Yeah you could squish it. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1340.6 1340.86 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1343.46 1343.69 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1346.34 1348.04 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1348.04 1349.86 So where are the fruit and vegetables now? 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1350.55 1352.62 We we don't know. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1350.75 1351.43 Fruits and veg. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1351.16 1357.08 I guess they would be either in the colour of that plastic face on the front, or in the colour of the squishy thing underneath. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1354.12 1354.69 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1354.52 1354.82 Yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1356.72 1357.11 Yeah. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1357.65 1358.02 Yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1358.26 1361.97 And the rest is the company the company colour's silver? 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1362.26 1364.26 It was, yeah, silver and yellow. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1364.26 1366.98 It l it looks like I don't 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1366.67 1370 We could promote the banana one. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1370 1371.61 Like mm. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1367.2 1367.69 Okay. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1368.91 1369.69 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1372.36 1376.96 I mean that's another question, where are we gonna we we should have the logo somewhere on it. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1377.35 1377.71 Mm. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1378.57 1380.99 Should also fit the batteries, which we haven't 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1377.36 1378.57 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1381.35 1381.84 Oh yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1381.37 1381.72 Yeah. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1381.79 1384.21 I think the batteries would have to go right under the plastic case. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1383.76 1386.55 Yeah, th and that would that 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1384.26 1385.06 Yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1385.04 1385.49 Okay. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1387.85 1391.95 Then you need to have the other part just be sort of a single unit that you can snap off. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1385.59 1387.85 Especially if you're switching out the squishy part. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1391.92 1392.31 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1392.42 1392.71 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1393.95 1395.56 Yeah, I think, um 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1399.44 1401.9 it'd be interesting to have the b the squishy bit. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1403.29 1409.6 The part that you, yeah, can change into the different, you know, trendy vegetables and fruits. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1409.6 1412.2 But uh it 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1412 1415.32 You'd spend so much time like squishing it to your own personal hand. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1415.32 1417.22 Then you'd get a new one and you'd have to do it all over again. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1411.62 1412 Well I dunno. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1417.21 1417.86 Yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1421.54 1422.75 Does it automatically? 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1418.55 1421.54 No but it does it automatically. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1422.75 1423.24 I don't know. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1422.06 1422.48 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1439.1 1441.41 Um, so what d but what do we know about 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1429.6 1433.1 But if someone components concept. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1437.15 1437.83 Oh right right. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1435.79 1436.88 Was that you? 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1433.1 1433.99 Question mark. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1437.83 1439.1 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1436.88 1437.15 Okay. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1433.99 1434.69 Energy. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1423.38 1429.6 I don't know what the rest of my notes mean because they were made for me. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1434.69 1435.79 Question mark. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1429.26 1430.11 Okay. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1434.77 1435.25 That was me. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1436.38 1436.68 Yes. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1443.17 1444.96 I mean we're gonna use batteries right? 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1444.96 1445.45 And 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1442.58 1443.17 energy? 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1451.65 1452.86 Something to do with torches. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1444.71 1451.65 Uh we actually had an option of batteries, solar power, and um a dynamo, which is something I don't know what it is. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1455.14 1456.6 It's a bicycle mechanism. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1456.6 1463.44 It's the en it's like if if something moves, when it moves, it stores energy. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1451.8 1455.14 Oh, a dynamo is ah, it's a bicycle. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1467.07 1469.2 So I sort of picked battery. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1469.2 1474.87 We could have talked about doing a wind-up or a dynamo or a solar power. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1474.87 1477.69 Um but I think solar power's not available with the rubber case anyways. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1460.5 1461.55 Oh okay. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1461.55 1467.07 Yeah, the other one was the other one was a kinetic thing where you'd basically have to wind it yourself. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1467.43 1468.68 It's quite sweet. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1480.03 1483.28 What does everyone else think? 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1478.34 1480.03 I think batteries sound good. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1478.68 1483.5 It it seems a little weird for a living room anyways. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1479.85 1482.66 The dynamo would be interesting. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1480.32 1482.2 No. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1482.2 1489.92 But dynamo the the fact with dynamo is, the moment you move it, it c it creates energy on its own. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1490.18 1490.97 Oh. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1490.51 1492.7 What about Kryptonite? 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1490.88 1491.53 Which is quite cool. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1497.79 1499.69 But we need to find cost. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1491.53 1497.79 So if you throw it, it's gonna store loads of energy, and you don't need to buy a battery 'cause they're quite f I find them annoying. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1499.83 1500.11 Yeah. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1502.24 1503.32 Don't know the cost. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1505.08 1506.71 Didn't have enough data to actually 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1505.28 1508.48 Does anyone have costs on the on the web? 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1513.1 1515.92 It didn't give me any actual cost. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1507.73 1513.1 All it said was it gave sort of relative, some chips are more expensive than others, sort of things. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1514.37 1515.13 Okay. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1516.37 1516.68 Right. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1517.35 1517.52 Hmm. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1517.39 1517.75 Mm. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1520.6 1522.48 So I don't think it's that much of a problem. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1518.57 1520.6 Most of the stuff is pretty cheap though bought in bulk. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1524.91 1527.33 Like the chip is probably the most expensive part. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1528.28 1529.81 What does chip on print mean? 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1537.71 1540.38 Um, so you can mass produce 'em pretty cheap. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1530.42 1537.71 Um, for things like remote controls, um, they stamp out a chip, calculators too I think. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1540.38 1544.71 But it's not like a computer, you can't like reprogramme your remo remote controls, it's like stamped onto the chip. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1535.73 1535.97 Uh-huh. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1539.89 1540.22 Okay. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1543.6 1543.81 Right. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1551.5 1553.07 Uh I guess that's what we've been talking about, yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1545.17 1548.85 So, chip on print is just means like that they're mass-produced. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1553.07 1553.78 Casing. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1548.85 1550.13 Okay. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1553.78 1553.91 Yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1550.13 1551.5 And case? 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1547.87 1548.16 Yeah. 
ES2011c H01 FEE042 1551.78 1553.66 Case is what we were discussing yeah. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1554.97 1560.55 thinking of like syntactic case and thi um let's see. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1567.36 1569.58 Is there anything else we need to 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1570.65 1571.31 Hmm. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1572.06 1576.77 Oh when we move on, you two are going to be playing with play-dough. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1571.38 1572.06 talk about? 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1584.14 1587.99 And you're gonna be doing protu product evaluation. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1577.91 1584.14 Um, and working on the look and feel of the design and user interface design. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1589.83 1593.96 So you'll get mm m more instructions from your personal coach. 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1594.21 1595.34 Oh, thank you. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1594.72 1594.91 Mm. 
ES2011c H02 FEE043 1594.95 1595.46 Cool. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1595.76 1596.4 See you soon. 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1599.27 1600.68 Does it matter that I end early? 
ES2011c H03 FEE044 1601.59 1602.68 I it's strange because 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1604.23 1605.36 How how early is it? 
ES2011c H00 FEE041 1609.78 1611.62 I didn't get a pop-up thing that said 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 64.98 65.28 'Kay. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 67.56 68.17 Hmm. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 70.62 74.03 Welcome to the detailed design meeting. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 69.48 70.62 Okay everybody. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 74.03 75.18 Um 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 112.93 118.81 Um so actually I think 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 77.08 78.86 Our agenda. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 91.6 98.76 Um and we also talked about materials we'd use and what kind of chip would be necessary. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 107.29 112.93 Um and see if it's changed at all from when we last discussed it. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 78.86 87.36 Last time we discussed the squishy fruitiness of our remote controls and how we might pursue that. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 76.06 77.08 Let's see. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 87.36 91.6 Um and I think looks like we've come up with some ideas. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 98.76 107.29 Um so for later in the meeting I've done a a spreadsheet of production costs so we'll take a look at that. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 121.45 127.78 Yeah um f you guys wanna give a prototype presentation of 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 132.87 134.75 So our design looks something like this. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 129.31 132.87 Okay well um. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 135.77 140.34 This being the wheel that you use to uh change channels or volume or whatever. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 140.34 147.32 This is a button, serves as the power button if you hold it down, and if you just tap on it I think it brings up the menu. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 163.19 165.11 This one's broccoli. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 165.11 167.98 So this snaps off and you can put on whichever one you want. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 167.98 170.33 This is not to scale 'cause it would have the battery inside it. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 159.6 163.19 And it comes yeah, I can change the vegetable. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 154.94 159.6 So you can change the colour, according to your to suit your living room or whatever. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 148.82 154.94 And uh the base of the remote control, which has a squishy spongy rubbery feel, is interchangeable. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 159.62 162.12 You could change the vegetable, or fruit. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 162.11 166 Oh is that broccoli? 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 163.29 164.08 Yeah. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 171.6 172.7 This is a mango. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 174.81 177.11 You don't have orange, you have mango. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 177.11 181.14 Um I guess strawberry's not as trendy, but 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 172.7 174.81 The it's trendy fruit, it's not just ordinary fruits. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 179 181.11 'S a very bright strawberry. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 181.89 188.68 So we'll come up with a variety of trendy and exciting fruit designs for the remote control. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 189.7 190.27 It's been a l 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 189.74 193.37 And then people will be encouraged to buy three or five of them, because they'll need to switch 'em out. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 223.32 224.4 How how so 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 194.61 203.8 It's been a little bit difficult to um make sure that it's hand-holdable, and that the user can use it, you know, it's not too big. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 203.8 213.21 Uh but we think that this you know, this size will be okay and we will have to fit the battery case in there somehow. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 213.21 223.32 And I guess the only other thing that we really didn't talk about was or design yet actually, would be the um thing the locator. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 212.42 212.7 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 213.13 213.61 Oh yeah. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 224.35 226.33 Well the locator is just chip that's inside there. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 226.35 227.91 Okay so that's just 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 227.61 229.81 And the beeper's also inside there too somewhere. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 229.65 233.61 So you have to have a button on your on your you have to attach the button to the 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 233.81 235.36 Yeah we didn't design that. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 234.82 237.28 Yeah we have that that has yes yet to be designed. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 236.45 238.65 But it would be coordinating with that of course. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 238.56 241.58 Yeah that c hey that that could you know match the handset. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 239.22 239.53 Yeah. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 241.88 242.15 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 243.24 246.24 You could have a broccoli, or you could have a mango. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 247.39 248.2 So. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 248.2 248.59 Tada. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 248.58 248.81 Oh. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 250.76 259.16 Um if you wanna look in your project documents folder, there's an Excel spreadsheet. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 290.98 291.93 Um 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 281.74 290.98 and the regular chip would be necessary for the more advanced iPod-like button. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 260.83 265.33 Um the only one that's in there, production costs. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 267.02 271.31 Um I've just stuck the numbers in, it was a real challenge there. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 271.31 281.74 But if I missed anything that we've gone over, or if you see something that has changed I mean, we decided on batteries 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 265.33 267.02 And if you open it up. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 295.01 297.26 I think that's what you have there, is that right? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 292.99 295.01 I said uncurved or flat. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 297.26 299.32 For the for the plastic part would be 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 298.82 302.2 My impression was that flat meant like like one of those square remotes. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 310.02 312.6 One side is curved and then the other side is curved. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 303.51 310.02 But it's really not very clear, because you got single curve and double curve and d I dunno what that means. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 304.48 305.19 Okay. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 303.76 304.48 Oh. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 307.31 307.89 Right. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 314.06 315.5 Well yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 315.5 318.95 If we're talking about the area just oh I d 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 337.76 343.58 Um and lots of special colours actually. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 328.93 333.14 There's plastic for that area around the button. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 327.02 328.93 Um so what else? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 333.14 337.76 Um and then rubber would be the squishy like thing right? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 320.75 327.02 I guess we'd have to contact the company that makes them and see. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 343.58 344.81 Uh scroll wheel. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 344.81 346.22 Do you see anything that I've missed? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 320.42 320.75 I dunno. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 336.45 336.74 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 347.07 348.79 No I think that's alright. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 348.99 353.47 Okay so that would make our total of eleven point nine,
ES2011d H00 FEE041 359.53 362.56 And if we sold a lot of squishy things. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 362.56 363.5 Boo yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 353.47 359.53 which is even less than twelve point five, which means we'd be making even more of a profit. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 361.59 361.94 Mm. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 365.5 366.19 Okay. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 368.59 370.5 S 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 373.73 375.36 So 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 377.49 378.31 Mm. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 389.73 390.48 The 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 388.13 389.73 Did y what did you work on? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 389.99 393.3 Um evaluation criteria. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 393.3 395.09 I've got a presentation. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 392.26 392.96 Okay. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 392.96 393.74 Do you wanna 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 396.61 398.1 I think that's 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 395.42 396.61 Okay. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 396.8 398.53 So I need where's the cable? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 409.28 416.32 Right what happens is we have to um decide whether this this whole 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 417.69 425.3 this whole project we've been working on actually um meets the standards we were set at the start. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 426.91 427.6 Um. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 429.65 429.93 Right. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 433.01 445.84 Um the method is we well I've analysed the user requirements and integrated them to the trends found in marketing reports and in our company strategy marketing. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 445.84 454.49 And um the findings were that we need it to look in a certain way, feel in a certain way, and this is everything's listed down. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 431.09 433.01 This doesn't okay. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 468.37 475.46 We have to use a table, I'll show you that later, together to decide whether it meets the standards. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 463.3 468.37 These are all things we looked at at the start, um and criteria that have to be met. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 455.29 463.3 Um, look in a certain way, feel in a certain way, it has to be technologically innovative and it has to be easy to use. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 475.46 480.54 And we we have therefore in total um 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 489.79 496.14 And um the cri well basically the findings are the same as the evaluation criteria. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 482.02 489.79 We have five we have eleven points according to which this should be evaluated. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 499.77 500.66 Um. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 496.14 499.77 I would like to show you the table we have to use. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 505.26 506.41 Can you see this here? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 504.29 505.26 This is the table. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 501.97 504.29 No. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 506.65 507.02 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 512.24 515.19 True is one and and false is seven. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 515.19 522.58 And we'll just go through each point together, hopefully. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 522.58 523.09 Um. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 507.35 512.24 Um so the que the questions I've given you c could you write that down? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 530.6 533.33 I dunno how it works exactly, I haven't been told. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 526.86 530.6 I think if each of us gives an opinion then they can be mixed somehow. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 533.91 536.07 Is it possible that we can bring this up on our own 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 532.21 533.91 Yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 537.22 539.01 Yeah it's in the um 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 539.95 541.42 it's in the project documents. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 543.22 544.58 No it's not minutes. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 541.74 543.22 Is it meeting three minutes? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 543.73 546.04 It's called evaluation criteria. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 546.32 546.87 Okay. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 548.26 549.65 And it's 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 550.92 552.24 under evaluation. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 552.8 554.23 Huh, the PowerPoint one? 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 553.72 553.91 Hmm? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 554.72 555.29 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 555.04 555.52 Okay. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 555.52 556.02 Cool. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 556.54 557.55 You've found it all? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 557.51 557.69 Yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 564.27 565.74 So it was um 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 567.97 569.05 Yeah true's one. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 574.19 575.96 True's one and false is seven. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 575.64 579.02 Do you want us to discuss this together or do you want us to do it singly? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 579.39 584.37 Um we can do it separately and then discuss it if if that's what people wanna do. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 581.24 582.04 Yeah okay. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 590.47 592.02 So it's actually a scale. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 592.33 598.79 Wait, one is true and so these are the questions we're answering. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 598.79 599.95 And one is 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 594.26 596.84 Um, 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 598.42 604.58 yes it's if it's fancy you put one, if it's really unfancy it's seven. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 601.2 602.41 One, right okay. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 607.25 607.83 Okay. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 603.99 607.25 If it's somewhere in between you put four. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 605.57 607.35 Yeah, something. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 606.79 607.64 Okay. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 661.03 666.27 Does it feel fancy? 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 666.27 669.16 No. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 662.51 665.32 Feels like play-dough. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 678.6 680.64 They shouldn't really be questions. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 680.64 682.15 Should be more like 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 713.48 716.8 Are the batteries easy to insert? 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 716.06 717.85 I'm gonna say yes. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 717.63 718.19 Yes? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 719.76 720.34 Okay. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 718.19 719.76 Very very true. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 719.25 721.37 I imagine they're somewhere on the front. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 721.37 723.75 We have a little case that you slip 'em in. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 723.76 724.41 Okay. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 785.28 786.36 Are we just about ready? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 788.28 791.24 Apparently I'm supposed to use the whiteboard. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 791.24 793.25 Do we um is it necessary? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 794.45 796.02 I don't think so. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 796.02 800.4 It's yeah the the marker thing kinda stopped working last time we 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 796.1 797.74 We'll just do um 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 801.22 801.87 Okay. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 799.73 801.22 Yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 802.18 802.89 Okay. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 801.34 802.18 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 801.79 803.15 Our animals will forever be there. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 804.54 809.71 Un unless you feel you need it t to okay okay. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 809.71 810.6 We'll 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 807.92 812.3 I don't feel any right um 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 815.65 817.02 We'll just go in a circle. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 813.54 815.65 Right so one point one? 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 817.15 818.07 One. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 817.39 817.51 'Kay 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 818.66 819.08 Five. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 818.71 819.31 Right. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 819.31 821.22 Ooh I don't know. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 821.22 822.4 Right. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 822.4 822.96 One? 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 823.44 823.82 Five. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 824.25 824.98 Five. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 827.39 828.41 Two. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 828.41 831.31 Okay so do we just add it up and divide it by four? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 831.31 833.08 Is that what the company does? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 825.85 827.39 Five. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 833.39 835.21 I I think we should 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 834.92 836.12 It's four if you wanna do that. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 836.16 837.58 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 837.58 837.99 Yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 837.06 837.4 Yeah? 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 837.42 838.79 It adds to sixteen, so that's four. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 841 841.54 Oh no. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 843.42 844.66 One five five two. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 841.54 843.42 It adds to thirteen. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 845.04 845.93 Oh I thought she said five. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 846.13 846.29 Hmm. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 847.37 850.52 One five five two is thirteen, over four for now. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 850.52 853.39 I think that's um next? 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 854.29 855.69 Um three. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 856.91 857.44 Six. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 857.54 861.48 Six. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 861.48 863.95 I wasn't cheating I swear. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 860.58 861.66 Two. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 861.66 861.83 Uh-oh. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 859.29 860.58 Really? 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 859.99 861.3 Yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 863.41 863.88 Right. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 863.88 867.07 One point three is 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 868.18 870.72 So it's a one was true and seven was false? 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 872.02 875.15 Okay, so you guys really didn't like it? 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 872.26 872.53 Huh? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 872.39 872.64 Uh. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 872.59 873.46 Yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 875.58 876.51 I really 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 880 883.38 So we do have about the same thing, we just have it the other way 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 875.74 880 Oh I thought it was the other way round. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 875.94 876.91 Wait a minute. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 876.91 878.02 I thought it was the other way round too. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 879.99 881.19 Well uh 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 881.11 881.3 Sh 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 882.84 888.14 Yeah I I was thinking one means no points, you know, all the way up to the top. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 887.38 888.96 I should've kept the table up. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 883.95 887.38 It was one is true and false is seven. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 883.44 883.95 Yeah yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 888.92 890.03 Oh gosh. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 890.03 890.53 Okay. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 890.53 891.19 Well 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 891.46 892.21 It's no problem. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 889.13 891.46 I'll just I'll just reverse them all. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 892.05 892.6 Yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 894.17 896.73 Right, well I'm glad this came out. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 896.03 904.61 Yeah. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 896.3 904.92 I thought you guys hated it. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 900.54 904.53 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 896.6 900.54 I was like, why did you guys design it that way if you hated it? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 898.09 900.23 Yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 901.13 904.74 Oh that's quite funny. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 900.23 901.13 No. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 923.7 924.09 Okay. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 924.63 925.82 Okay. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 925.51 925.88 Yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 928.02 930.9 So, starting again, one point one? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 927.15 928.02 Okay. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 931.1 931.8 One. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 933.15 934.08 Say two. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 935.16 935.78 Three. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 937.69 938.87 Okay, one point two? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 937.29 937.69 Two. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 941.1 942.25 Uh three. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 942.31 943.01 Two. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 942.86 943.68 Two. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 944.66 945.29 Two. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 946.09 948.19 Um, one point three? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 945.29 946.09 Okay. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 949.47 949.78 One. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 950.64 951.39 One. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 951.17 951.8 One. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 954.95 955.68 Two point one? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 953.17 954.95 Ha. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 956.95 957.85 Uh two. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 957.07 957.65 Two. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 958.92 959.84 Uh two. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 961.29 964.58 Two point I think I missed two. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 964.58 965.73 Wait, is that two point one? 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 966.73 969.01 Yeah I put it down as one point four for some reason. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 967.18 968.23 Yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 970.11 970.89 Sorry. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 968.23 970.11 Oh dear, okay. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 969.57 971.92 Okay right that's I have two of them. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 968.21 969.57 One point four, one point five. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 971.57 973.13 Mine has all kinds of problems. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 973.54 974.65 Sorry about that. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 974.65 977.18 T two point two, which is one point five. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 972.41 973.54 Two and one. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 977.99 978.33 One. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 979.38 980.43 Uh three. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 981.58 982.95 Wait why did I put three? 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 982.82 983.46 Uh one. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 984.62 986.11 I meant one on mine too. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 984.8 985.33 Okay. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 987.44 989.45 Is that correct on my slide? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 989.45 989.71 Yeah? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 986.42 987.44 Three point one. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 988.53 988.94 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 988.94 989.46 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 989.24 990.1 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 990.1 991.33 Uh one. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 992.87 993.84 Three point one. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 993.84 995.02 I have four. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 995.47 996.33 Three. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 995.64 999.9 One, four, three, three, three point two? 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1001.06 1001.93 Three. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1001.72 1002.27 Three. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1004.67 1005.2 One. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1003.45 1004.67 Uh. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1006.45 1007.73 Three point three. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1008.31 1008.89 One. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1008.89 1009.19 One. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1010.08 1010.89 Two. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1013.4 1014.52 Four point one? 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1015 1015.83 One. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1015.63 1015.91 Two. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1016.55 1017.65 Five. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1019.35 1020.23 Two. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1020.23 1021.79 Four point two. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1022.08 1022.65 Two. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1023.1 1023.63 Three. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1023.81 1024.41 Four. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1025.89 1028.36 Two and four point three. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1029.19 1029.68 Two. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1029.51 1030.17 One, two. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1030.78 1031.19 One. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1031.34 1032.01 Two. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1035.3 1040.94 Okay I'll um I'll just do the calculations now if you want to continue. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1033.76 1035.3 Right so I put one on that. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1040.94 1042.11 Or is it tedious? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1042.11 1044.6 I'm I'm sorry this was so tedious for everyone. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1040.8 1041.18 Okay. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1041.18 1042.24 Um 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1043.9 1051.73 No no that's um I think we should look at the ones that like where s where people said four 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1051.73 1058.55 where um it looks like we might wanna discuss changing an aspect of the remote. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1045.82 1047.1 I didn't know how else to do it. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1058.69 1059.58 Okay. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1059.58 1062.36 Well the worst ones were three point one. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1062.94 1063.23 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1066.55 1067.9 Three point one. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1063.59 1066.55 Do does every ones have the slide? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1066.83 1069.04 The that was material. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1069.96 1071.15 Slide show. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1080.17 1081.54 What are the suggestions? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1078.08 1080.17 Um, do you want to change it? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1081.54 1082.56 I don't know, anyone? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1073.52 1078.08 Material technologically innovative, okay. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1077.51 1077.79 Mm. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1083.28 1084.23 Um 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1083.51 1084.96 Which one is that again sorry? 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1084.96 1085.92 Three point one? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1086.33 1087.05 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1087.01 1090.3 Yeah that it's three point one was not that good. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1090.3 1091.51 Four point one. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1092.94 1094.33 Does the shape 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1095.68 1097.01 Four point two? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1094.29 1095.68 The shape. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1095.2 1096.2 I think 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1097.26 1099.89 See I'm having I'm having trouble imagining 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1105.25 1106.55 It or bigger? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1101.22 1105.25 the is it uh gonna be the size, like the the controller? 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1105.34 1107.33 I think the wheel would probably be mm. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1107.22 1108.41 Because 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1110.72 1113.49 And like then it you could hold it in your hand better. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1107.59 1110.72 What if we just smash all the vegetables down flat? 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1117.33 1119.4 They're kinda smallish. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1114.08 1117.33 I think the base would definitely be larger, 'cause some of these are not as easy to hold. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1118.01 1118.54 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1133.65 1141.92 Um but I don't s I I personally don't think this is comfortable to to sit there, like it's an awkward position. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1121.82 1133.65 like if it's round and it's big then you you can't get that's why remote controls are long because you have that thumb kind of so c they could all be bananas and cucumbers. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1119.95 1121.82 No but I imagine even if it was bigger 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1124.58 1125.54 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1126.58 1127.31 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1125.54 1126.58 The flat one. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1125.64 1126.07 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1132.2 1132.9 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1140.34 1144.08 But like if if you just squash them flat like and you made it flat 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1138.6 1140.34 I didn't yeah. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1144.04 1147.64 Well if they're that s uh stress ball stuff they would be pretty squishable. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1150.45 1153.2 But it's still too big I think, in your hand. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1153.2 1153.35 Yeah. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1150.74 1150.85 Mm. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1152.24 1152.96 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1155.82 1158.38 And would it even resemble fruit that way? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1158.38 1159.48 I mean 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1159.02 1164.98 Yeah like certain ones you'd have to limit the fruit selection, like you could probably do a strawberry still. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1164.98 1166.34 I think the broccoli would be out. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1161.91 1162.2 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1164.78 1165.28 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1167.51 1172.78 You could do, although the broccoli is quite comfortable, I have to say, like sorta like a joystick. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1171.73 1175.52 Yeah that I I when you were holding that before, it actually looked yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1173.99 1175.44 That looked really good. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1173.33 1173.99 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1175.88 1176.64 So 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1175.45 1175.88 I don't know. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1178.01 1180.15 Are there any fruits that look like broccoli, no? 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1180.6 1181.28 Uh. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1182.84 1183.88 Not that I can think of. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1183.88 1188.02 Rhubarb. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1184.94 1191.84 I think that broccoli is my favourite actually. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1191.84 1192.8 Uh despite the 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1185.06 1188.17 Rhubarb. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1188.17 1189.71 These obscure fruits. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1191.3 1191.72 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1192.55 1194.03 I think we needn't 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1193.45 1206.71 What if um the it was just patterns on like we we chose the shape or the sh shape could be whatever we wanted and then it would just be like a design on the rubber. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1208.33 1209.39 Huh? 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1209.39 1209.99 Oh okay. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1209.33 1213.34 You know like like just a printed yeah or coloured yeah. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1210.26 1213.38 So it's just colour, and not necessarily the shape of a strawberry. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1213.39 1214.25 That could work. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1212.92 1213.39 Yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1214.45 1215.61 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1215.94 1222.18 Or I mean we could even have fruit like around I mean 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1220.26 1220.93 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1222.97 1223.52 I dunno. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1222.32 1222.97 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1226.41 1229.53 And if we wanna incorporate the fruit thing somehow 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1229.53 1236.99 there might be I mean if it if it in if it uh conflicts with the comfort of actually holdi holding the 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1223.38 1226.41 But if we if we need yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1223.5 1226.05 Yeah and just have the colour match or something. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1236.68 1240.3 'Cause yeah no-one wants to hold a remote that's uncomfortable obviously. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1235.88 1236.68 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1239.65 1240.83 Mm. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1240.33 1240.74 Mm. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1241.32 1244.6 Or like I dunno, some of 'em you can kind of think see as like 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1246.52 1251.55 like you could if it was only this you know, if it was shaped like that, and it just had that. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1251.55 1254.69 But you see the problem is you have to attach that, and this has to be detachable. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1252.09 1252.72 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1255.01 1255.42 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1256.34 1258.59 So like maybe that's just too big because 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1257.58 1264.08 Well see th the reason the broccoli works is you can kinda hold it like that, which is a nice kind of yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1261.58 1263.31 Yeah it's sorta like a joystick. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1261.89 1262.6 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1266.13 1266.95 But 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1268.56 1269.15 I guess 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1267.43 1268.56 I dunno. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1268.69 1271.95 I mean is there some way we could make it this kind of shape? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1271.95 1274.29 'Cause like kind of 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1273.24 1277.78 We could make it that shape but just have different colours, and call 'em the different fruits. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1277.78 1280.81 We went with shape because we were having fun with the play-dough. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1275.55 1277.24 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1277.24 1278.33 Or like even 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1275.82 1276.49 Yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1276.01 1276.51 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1277.25 1277.68 Dif 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1279.58 1280.79 Or even like 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1281.48 1284.07 Yeah like you said, like a joystick like that. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1284.07 1284.5 You know? 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1284.59 1285.89 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1285.89 1290.9 Like uh we could do I'm trying to think of other sha like fruits that are oddly shaped. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1283.66 1284.59 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1290.43 1292.52 'Cause that, I think 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1297.67 1300.91 And you still have the comfort of holding it like that. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1293.73 1297.67 I mean that fits the whole round iPod idea. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1296.77 1297.5 Yeah. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1297.58 1297.83 Mm-hmm. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1297.73 1298.25 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1302.17 1302.47 Mm. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1303.99 1310.47 And you could like if it's like this, you could put fruit designs and stuff on that part. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1309.96 1310.34 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1308.88 1309.96 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1311.34 1311.78 Alright. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1312.36 1316.47 But I mean it do we have any other ideas about that? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1317.53 1318.2 Um 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1322.2 1324.54 We could tr I don't know. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1327.86 1333.38 Think the critical ones came out to be yeah that one. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1336.81 1344.25 Batteries easy to insert for some reason, which can be easily I think that's not a problem any more. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1343.39 1346.45 The batteries are going in the back? 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1344.06 1345.71 That everyone gave that a one or a two. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1346.95 1349.78 Yeah they'd probably be either on the front or the side of the remote. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1346.99 1347.43 No. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1349.18 1356.73 The reason I I ga I didn't give it a one I think I gave it a three because I thought you'd have to like unc clip no you could 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1354.71 1359.89 No I imagine there'd be sort of a hatch door, yeah um like on a normal remote. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1357.79 1358.85 Just like any other one. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1359.67 1359.92 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1358.85 1359.67 Okay. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1361.06 1361.39 Right. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1361.59 1366.43 So it would probably either in the f no it can't be in the front 'cause the I. R. 's right there, but it'd be on one of the sides probably. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1366.64 1367.12 Okay. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1367.01 1369.05 I think everyone's under three anyway. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1371.03 1371.16 Mm. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1371.36 1374.78 So I think it's yeah those are the only two points. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1377.81 1378.42 Well 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1377.03 1377.81 Cool. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1380.46 1383.46 Yeah the broccoli I guess wins. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1386.01 1389.03 Um, I was just having fun making strawberries and stuff. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1381.8 1386.01 Yeah I'd agree with changing the shape. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1383.76 1384.73 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1386.21 1386.75 Okay. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1388.36 1391.64 We were a bit off task. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1391.64 1396.44 Um so uh I can't think of any 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1397.71 1398.66 So we'll have to like 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1403.12 1403.9 Mm. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1405.47 1406.37 Yeah I dunno. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1407.81 1415.22 You could make the touch pad in th in different shapes, but then that kind of re-designs the whole project like, but you could do like 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1414.66 1418.59 It might also sort of annoy people if we get used to having the buttons in one shape. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1417.59 1420.22 Yeah that's true. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1420.22 1420.63 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1418.84 1419.25 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1420.71 1424.24 And it would probably cost more to produce, 'cause they're irregular. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1422.47 1423.43 Yeah that's true. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1425.27 1426.23 Mm. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1426.41 1429.61 I bet having different colours is a lot cheaper than having different shapes too. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1429.62 1430.27 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1431.57 1437.35 Which is why printing might be like just printing the fruit on fruit. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1438.24 1438.46 Hmm. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1440.53 1440.88 Mm. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1448.48 1449.44 Not really 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1465.36 1467.96 Um so project evaluation. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1454.06 1465.36 Well we've done finance evaluation criteria, production evaluation. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1467.83 1469.36 Do you want this and we can all 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1472.37 1473.18 No. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1473.25 1484.08 I guess we're supposed to discuss um the prod the process of the project and how satisfied oh, oh it's alright. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1485.98 1486.62 Um 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1484.08 1485.15 Uh. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1485.15 1485.98 Yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1484.5 1485.4 It's alright yeah? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1488.17 1492.28 Did you feel there was a lot of room for creativity in the sort of 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1492.5 1493.37 Sure. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1493.4 1493.96 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1495.64 1496.24 I did. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1497.18 1497.42 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1497.38 1498.92 I mean fruit and squishiness. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1498.92 1501.65 How c more creative can you get? 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1498.25 1501.64 Sponginess. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1501.58 1514.5 The prototype making was very creatively stimulating and I think we've come up with a product that's fun and meets all the criteria. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1515.2 1518.61 And how was our leadership and teamwork? 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1518.72 1519.64 I think it was good. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1520.9 1523.64 It was a very democratic process and everyone got to contribute. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1519.64 1520.9 We knew what we were doing. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1533.82 1534.25 Um. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1525.87 1529.28 Well I thought my leadership was crap personally. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1529.28 1531.57 Excuse me, am I allowed to say that? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1531.57 1533.82 Yeah. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1527.56 1532.58 Well you told us when to start and when to end, and that's all that matters. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1534.49 1535.34 I think you were fine. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1535.34 1536.39 You did a good job leading. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1535.61 1540.1 Yeah, well I'm never gonna do a management position, I know that now. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1540.1 1542.32 Um yeah, I thought we all worked very well together. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1541.47 1545.1 Yeah we didn't we uh it all c sort of blended quite well. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1544.24 1544.57 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1544.53 1547.49 Yeah I think it more than anything we didn't really have our set roles so much,
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1547.49 1552.47 as we just would be like I don't know, all had ideas about it but yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1548.68 1550.24 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1550.24 1551.11 Very democratic. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1557.24 1562.94 Um and the means for like the materials we used, how convenient were they? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1552.54 1557.24 No spats, that was good. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1554.22 1555.15 No. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1564.59 1568.08 Like the the pens, the whiteboard, I mean we used 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1574.92 1580.32 I just use the Unix or the off market, sort of WordPerfect and all these other things. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1572.63 1574.92 No no I never touch Macs either. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1567.3 1572.63 Well I'm not a big fan of any Microsoft, PowerPoint or any of this stuff. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1571.39 1573.6 Are you a Mac person? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1580.39 1580.73 Huh. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1581.09 1581.26 Hmm. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1581.68 1584.35 Which isn't very user-friendly though. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1583.38 1584.34 Yeah. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1591.42 1593.28 So I have all these documents I can't use now. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1584.34 1591.42 Well the problem is if you don't like my new computer never has WordPerfect so I have to go track someone down who has an old disk and then I have to reinstall it. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1595.32 1596.65 But yeah I mean I guess it's okay. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1597.62 1600.13 I felt like my I dunno if it was just my role 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1600.13 1606.37 but l but uh I di I thought that my the information that was available to me was kind of just like or maybe it was just the idea that we had. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1624.36 1629.16 But yeah I d I don't really like PowerPoint personally, think it's kinda stupid. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1611.81 1614.49 So I didn't really think it was helpful. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1606.37 1611.81 But there's kinda it was kinda like okay, I don't really think I dunno what I'm doing here. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1614.49 1624.36 So I kind of just made up my own stuff and I didn't really like the PowerPoint presentations, so I kind of wrote a lot of notes instead. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1611.67 1611.88 Mm. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1619.89 1620.21 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1624.55 1624.97 Yeah. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1629.34 1630.16 I never use it. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1628.38 1629.34 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1630.29 1631.84 Yeah but uh 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1631.94 1636.7 I can't say I found everything particularly helpful. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1636.7 1637.51 Like I 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1636.56 1636.9 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1636.9 1637.96 It didn't really yeah. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1637.26 1638.61 Yeah. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1638.61 1642.83 My first bit of information was like this child's drawn picture of how a remote works. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1638.34 1638.67 It 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1638.55 1640.62 I though it was brilliant no? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1640.05 1642.13 Really? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1642.91 1647.82 No mine was really helpful as in my stuff was quite helpful I think. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1647.82 1649.64 I think it depends on the role no? 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1647.59 1651.38 Yeah it probably does. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1647.64 1648.16 So like a f 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1658.86 1665.67 And when you were talking about it I was just like you know that's wh that's why I seemed so ignorant when when you were j explaining things 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1656.17 1658.86 See I couldn't do that, so I didn't really know what you guys were doing. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1665.67 1666.4 'cause I 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1647.75 1650.88 I mean m my problem yeah, yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1650.88 1656.17 'Cause my problem was, you guys had access to like they'd put send you to sites and stuff right? 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1649.53 1650.65 Yeah I think so. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1655.62 1655.92 Yeah. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1665.93 1672.6 Yeah well mine was mostly made up except when they told me like you know titanium costs more than wood to make a remote control. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1672.6 1673.51 As if you'd wanted to. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1670.41 1671.13 Yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1672.7 1673.86 Yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1673.86 1677.5 But it must have been quite difficult for them to build a whole um 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1672.86 1673.24 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1678.99 1679.45 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1677.98 1678.99 System. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1678.6 1684.76 a whole system, 'cause of course they can't give you uh uh anything comparable to the internet for the 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1683.97 1685.81 Yeah I mean, it 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1684.4 1684.67 Yeah. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1684.81 1687.09 Well I think it's interesting how it all went together,
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1687.09 1692.16 like I had the stuff about how me how rubber's cheap, and you have how people want it to be spongy, and 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1690.53 1691.44 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1692.27 1693.37 Yeah, huh. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1693.21 1694.45 It seems planned you know. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1694.52 1695.44 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1708.64 1709.68 But um 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1694.7 1699.41 Yeah I kinda thought that um I felt like I would go and like try to use my information 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1699.41 1708.64 or like I'd make this stupid little presentation and then like I just would end up talking about something completely unrelated because I dunno I felt like I was off-task all the time. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1706.39 1706.64 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1710.29 1721.79 Well I mean we really got into talking about like personal practicalit like it wasn't necessarily what was like we would never have thought of fruit or sponginess you know? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1721.79 1722.96 So it's 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1721.95 1723.42 If I hadn't been told that fruit was 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1719.69 1721.95 Yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1720.13 1721.11 No. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1720.51 1721.34 Yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1723.73 1731.52 But I think that it it might be to see whether people actually all come up with the same thing. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1731.43 1733.52 given certain information or 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1730.89 1731.43 Oh right. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1738.34 1740.4 Um what's next? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1734.32 1738.34 Yeah, like if everyone's given the same input I don't have a clue, anyway. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1740.4 1742.72 Looks like oh no that's not um 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1734.46 1735.16 Just yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1737.51 1738.86 Mm, mm. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1744.42 1745.17 It's quite 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1746.07 1747.58 It asks about that. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1744.52 1746.07 What do you guys think of the pens? 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1748.42 1750.11 They're kinda hard to write with though. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1746.54 1748.42 They're pretty cool. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1748.3 1748.46 Mm. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1748.42 1748.85 I wanna s 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1750.05 1755.28 Yeah and I I've f forgotten once or twice to check the box. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1750.09 1750.64 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1755.51 1760.01 I I'd like to see what what it looks like on the 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1760.06 1766.59 They're nicer than the pen that I'm using, because like your stuff actually shows up here, rather than having to look at the screen and write. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1766.66 1767.12 Mm. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1768.91 1770.16 But even so, I dunno. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1773.43 1779.54 And new ideas found? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1779.54 1779.92 Yeah. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1778.19 1780.3 Yeah it's all very new, no? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1781.52 1782.31 It's all very new. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1784.71 1787.95 Yeah I think I'd like to um 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1788.81 1789.28 I dunno. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1794.16 1799.3 but like they're kinda clumsy I guess when you're like when you're s going up to the whiteboard like. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1791.2 1794.16 Like it was the I think the microphones are okay when you're sitting down 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1791.35 1791.87 Sorry. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1796.81 1797.99 Oh yeah. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1799.81 1801.78 Well they drop off if you like move too much. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1802.51 1803.74 But they're they're okay. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1801.7 1802.51 Yeah I dunno. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1806.64 1807.54 I don't know. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1802.84 1806.06 But I don't think we're supposed to be testing these microphones. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1806.06 1806.64 Maybe we are. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1806.71 1809.61 Uh I think, and I think that uh 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1806.82 1807.26 Mm. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1819.95 1821.4 or like I dunno. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1810.94 1819.95 all this technology like I guess some people must be interested in using it but I can't imagine finding it any more useful than like looking at someone's notes 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1819.4 1819.87 Yeah. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1846.09 1848.63 It's like the there's just really not a lot of information that goes through. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1819.88 1825.42 Well the thing is, like I actually worked in a company, and I had a role and I had to go to meetings. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1825.42 1830.12 And like the last thing I would have wanted would be to have to watch a video 'cause I missed a meeting. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1841.23 1846.09 And you're sort of going over general stuff that anybody who's sort of on task should already know. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1830.12 1832.25 Like usually I missed meetings deliberately. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1838.71 1841.23 It's mostly like rehashing old stuff. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1832.25 1838.71 There's just there's really not that much information that actually goes through a real meeting, like when you're actually at a real meeting in a real company. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1836.07 1836.41 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1838.42 1838.64 Hm. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1842.85 1843.16 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1847.99 1850.86 Seems kind of like an excessive reiteration. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1850.86 1851.26 Yeah. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1849.51 1851.1 It seems like way overkill. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1851.1 1855.03 Like if I missed a meeting I could probably get it summed up in like one sentence. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1855.03 1859.64 I wouldn't need to have to watch like a t two hour video with the sound and the transcript and 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1854.36 1854.85 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1859.64 1860.02 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1860.94 1862.65 I guess it would be 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1864.83 1872.89 it's gotta be worth it to I 'cause I'm just mostly curious about like what kind of person or like company would would really find it useful, 'cause 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1873.99 1875.51 can't really imagine, dunno. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1877.39 1879.78 How about a p a? 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1881.08 1883.66 Um I dunno. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1893.74 1896.33 Any other ideas for 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1888.68 1893.74 Well does anyone wanna talk about fruit more while we still have time? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1902.25 1902.99 Is that the end? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1900.79 1902.25 Or we ending? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1896.45 1900.79 Are we are we supposed to um you supposed to write a report? 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1895.04 1896.45 What what's the end? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1902.13 1909.27 Um we still have time if there's any other input. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1909.27 1913.85 I mean the I think we did really well personally, which is why we've 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1917.55 1929.17 'Cause I mean we've all we all kind of agreed our product is satisfactory, it fits the budget, and it's trendy. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1929.17 1929.67 So. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1915.07 1917.55 you know, gone through this so quickly. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1927.1 1927.71 Yeah. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1932.02 1932.57 Um. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1933.93 1935.46 You have to tell her, she 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1933.13 1933.93 End of meeting. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1936.22 1939.86 So I think that's all for today. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1937.51 1942.77 Okay we have to fill in all this stuff. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1942.77 1943.48 Stuff stuff stuff. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1943.25 1944.9 M meeting adjourned. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1944.42 1945.3 Meeting adjourned. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1944.9 1945.62 Yeah. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1946.98 1952 I think I've learned not to bring play-dough to meetings. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1949.38 1950.75 Yeah. 
ES2011d H02 FEE043 1952.42 1955.32 I think it would be a good idea, I like it. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1953.49 1958.98 It's hard enough to get people actually paying attention. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1958.98 1960.38 Especially if you have food. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1968.22 1968.79 'Cause 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1964.19 1968.22 So I guess we're supposed to write final reports. 
ES2011d H01 FEE042 1968.39 1969.02 All of us? 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1969.87 1971.31 I don't know. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1971.31 1971.51 Hmm. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1970.52 1972.33 Well there's al eight, nine. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1972.33 1973.05 Ooh. 
ES2011d H03 FEE044 1973.92 1974.41 Oh ooh. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1974.66 1975.32 Hmm. 
ES2011d H00 FEE041 1975.32 1977.02 Or is that just me? 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 57.78 63.42 uh one that everybody wants, uh at a good price for the consumer and at a good price for the company. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 38.86 57.78 taking advantage of the uh the the latest developments in in technology and the uh the latest uh uh feelings in in consumer design and and demand and uh we want to make this the the very best product th that's possible for everybody,
ES2012a H00 MEE045 19.69 30.06 Right w welcome to the the first meeting of uh Real Reaction's uh um development meetings for our our new television remote control. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 30.06 38.86 Uh this follows our very successful entry into the the consumer market over the last year or so um which we want to to build on 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 81.81 92.98 marketing, um m Kendra with the uh um designing the the the User Interface uh uh and Kate with the the industrial design. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 92.98 93.57 Um. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 64.43 70.89 Uh and to that end we need all to work together uh to do that. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 70.89 81.81 Um and uh b in no particular order because ev everybody is uh just as vital to this project um I'll just go round th the table, Andrew,
ES2012a H03 MEE048 76.26 76.33 Mm. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 105.02 115.44 ev everybody is is free to uh say wh whatever they want, uh everybody has a contribution to make and uh 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 98.59 105.02 What's uh the the th th project is is here to do, is is to to get this this project up and moving,
ES2012a H00 MEE045 137.87 150.74 if if if anybody wants to b briefly give their their background so that everybody's quite clear what everybody uh uh everybody's experience is please do so. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 150.74 151.22 Uh 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 116.63 123.9 everybody feel free to interrupt me at any time to to say what you want to say. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 123.9 131.21 Um in in terms of the immediate meeting the uh um everybody knows everybody else,
ES2012a H00 MEE045 131.21 137.87 everybody's worked for the the company for a while, if if an anybody feels that they need to say more about themselves please do 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 164.1 165 So we'll start with Andrew. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 157.84 164.1 in fact we will do that by by going round the table quickly and and saying what what contribution you you're looking to make. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 153.32 157.84 in fact I'd I'd I'd welcome anybody to uh say something briefly about themselves 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 165.14 169 Oh my name's Andrew I'm a I'm the Market Research 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 170.64 185.49 person for this uh for this meeting and this uh project for creating this new remote control and uh yeah I'll be uh presenting information statistics on what people want to want to uh get from this new design 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 185.49 189.77 what people want to like and from a fashion point of view and the practicality point of view. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 190.8 191.96 Right Kendra. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 191.4 204.22 I'm Kendra and I'm the Us User Interface Designer and um I haven't had a whole lot of experience in this kind of thing before but I'm m so I'll be 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 205.42 208.04 working on the design. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 208.28 213.08 Right at least means you haven't got any preconceived ideas so. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 213.31 215.4 Yep, I'm just open to being creative. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 211.39 213.31 Right. 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 214.99 226.37 Uh I'm Katie, I'm the Industrial Designer and I'll just be I guess presenting about the the inter workings of our little remote control and uh yeah. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 215.53 216.68 Yep, good. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 239.66 242.23 Everybody says what they what they want to say 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 261.99 271.23 there has to be something about it that uh other remote controls don't have so that as soon as people see it they think um yes that's different,
ES2012a H00 MEE045 242.23 259.7 uh and we don't want to be constrained by uh kind of convention or uh uh slides on screens or or anything else um but um briefly um th th this is what we want to do. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 259.7 261.99 The the remote control needs to be original 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 271.23 279.81 uh I want one, um and that goes along with being trendy, uh uh you know the I want it 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 227.59 230.35 Okay, very very quickly 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 230.35 239.66 um this I don't want to make this meeting too structured because the the whole idea is that it's a um you know a think tank. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 284.82 298.52 remote controls can be uh uh very user-unfriendly so we want to make ours one that people can pick up and think oh yes that's it's obvious how that works 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 282.32 284.82 User-friendly as as we all know 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 281.45 282.32 uh scenario. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 316.86 321.27 and we make the company money by producing what the consumer wants. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 310.27 316.86 And last but not least, or indeed first of all, it it must make the company money 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 298.52 310.27 uh and they also want to look at the price and think oh yeah that's something that I may not need another remote control but uh it's such a nice one I'm gonna have one. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 324.99 337.54 The uh the further work to be done is i the um the functional design, uh what it uh what it must actually do,
ES2012a H00 MEE045 337.54 351.03 the uh conceptual design, uh how we actually present that to the consumer and th the the detailed design i is uh how we get that into production. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 370.85 371.88 um 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 353.18 370.85 Uh now th the main design tool that we have available to us at the moment is is the white board and uh uh let us very quickly do what i what it says in the in the in the prompt slide here 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 374.45 382.3 In fact I suggest to avoid everybody untangling themselves from the uh the the wires, that we don't do that, um 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 385.58 398.44 So I I everybody knows what whiteboard is so we'll um uh we'll do a virtual drawing on the on on the whiteboard of of your your own uh uh favourite animal,
ES2012a H00 MEE045 398.44 401.48 but le let's go round the table, your favourite animal. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 402.99 405.8 Um, badger. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 405.8 416.64 Uh it's it's got nice contrast with black and white and uh I feel they're underdog kind of status and they're, the 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 404.53 405.21 Mm and why? 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 409.1 409.57 Uh-huh. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 423.66 424.02 Kendra. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 415.12 423.66 Oh right uh my my wife says my beard looks like a badger's arse 'cause of the the white streaks in it. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 418.33 434.81 Um probably a duck I just I li I like the way they look and they're just nice animals and I like how they can fly or swim or walk around or whatever. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 434.02 434.3 Uh-huh. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 435.42 436.14 Right, okay. 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 436.06 439.74 Uh 's horses, no particular reason why. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 440.01 448.65 I'm not sure that I've got any favourite animal to be quite honest, I think homo sapien because of their their uh overall ability to uh uh 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 438.73 440.01 Uh-huh, fair enough yeah. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 448.8 454.36 Make mobile phones and T. V. remotes to make T. V. remotes. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 451.36 451.59 Sorry? 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 453.08 455.77 Indeed absolutely yes, tha that's um 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 484.82 488.18 It needs to cost twelve Euros fifty to make. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 498.92 511.38 Um, okay, um would anybody like t like to to start by giving their o um sort of quick views of of current remote controls. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 488.18 498.92 Um so we're not only looking at a a very trendy original product, we're looking at making it at a very good price. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 467.95 484.82 we want to m make an overall profit for the the company of fifty million Euros so we're we're looking at selling a lot of these um ag across the the entire planet and and we're looking at a gross profit of fifty percent. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 458.73 467.95 Okay and uh w we need to keep in mind here that the uh we want to sell this for for twenty five Euro um 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 543.19 544.22 you know. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 526.67 543.19 but that it's easy to if you can switch back and forth instead of having to press a bunch of different buttons and so I think it's is best when they're clearly labelled and you can see which buttons you're supposed to use 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 513.71 526.12 Well I think I find a lot of them really complicated to use with all the different buttons and uh it's handiest when you have one that works both the D. V. D. player or whatever and the T. V. as well. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 526.12 526.67 Um 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 529.9 530.32 No. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 544.34 550.64 Any any thoughts about buttons or any oth other way of approaching the p the uh the problem? 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 552.04 555.36 Or anybody else, strong feelings about remote controls? 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 555.36 562.58 Are there you know, bad ones they've used or good ones they've used or ones that they've lost and never found again? 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 559.7 561.16 Um 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 562.98 572.65 I think it's important that you should be able to when you when you press the buttons it'll actually pick up the signals from kind of anywhere and you shouldn't have to like contort yourself and twist your remote control to get it the T. V. to actually pick up the signal. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 571.96 572.22 Yeah. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 572.82 573.24 Yeah. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 575.16 580.92 Think a lot of the time, remotes that come with T. V. players and T. V. s and D. V. players, like they aren't 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 579.16 579.32 Mm. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 585.86 591.77 Like it's very a very like um making a a stylish remote control would be a very like 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 582.23 585.86 like an area that's put a lot of effort into, they're very boring, very plain. 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 586.16 586.38 Mm. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 593 595.21 Easily put us one step ahead of the current competition. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 594.74 599.15 Um what so wh what's in in what particular style features are you thinking about? 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 597.97 599.6 Um. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 604.51 608.86 So if you want, something that looks like uh something that makes you think oh what's this? 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 608.86 613.17 Like this pen doesn't really look like a pen, but it makes you think oh. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 600.95 604.51 Something that looks looks doesn't look like remote control. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 613.17 616.22 So, sorry that's a bit vague. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 610.71 611.04 Uh-huh. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 613.41 623.64 Yeah d no I mean do you think there's a risk if it doesn't look like remote control, people won't see it as a remote control um and uh 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 624.04 626.58 Uh I suppose suppose that's up to the marketing to 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 628.08 630.27 to make make people aware of the product. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 630.22 630.48 Uh-huh. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 635.07 641.4 Any other thoughts about um th the physical appearance of a of remote controls? 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 647.03 654.14 rectangular things and uh they're kind of awkward to hold onto, so something that's more comfortable that fits in a person's hand better. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 641.67 647.03 I think something that's comfortable to hold because sometimes you get the remote controls that are just those big,
ES2012a H01 FEE046 646.01 646.32 Mm. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 647.22 647.36 Mm. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 677 687.69 Um any thoughts about buttons or flat screens or uh uh 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 655.66 677 I mean th the thing that i immediately comes to mind is computer mouses which um I mean y you get all sorts of shapes in the shops and s you know some quite fancy ones um than the some from personal experience which look nice but aren't particularly comfortable. 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 661.03 661.34 Mm. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 661.82 662.19 Yeah. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 662.76 663.04 Yeah. 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 664.78 664.98 Mm. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 668.67 669.07 Yeah. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 676.64 677.01 Yeah. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 708.86 709.5 like a mouse button. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 697.64 708.86 whereas if you want could all be flat and the buttons are very kind of almost subtle that instead of being raised out of the device uh you push into device you see 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 689.65 697.64 Well from the mouse idea you could, remote is a piece of plastic with the big rubber buttons sticking out of it which you press 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 709.59 718.09 Yes, I mean the only thing is if if you're watching television in a in a a darkened room um you need to be able to uh 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 715.71 715.99 Mm. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 716.12 716.71 I suppose. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 719.28 721.53 fi find the button buttons easily. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 719.3 720.27 Easily, yeah yeah. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 722.05 727.5 But maybe they could be concave instead of sticking up to have them be kind of down so you could feel them 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 727.36 727.55 Mm. 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 727.43 727.74 Mm. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 729.3 730.09 better. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 729.96 739.18 Yeah, that's uh must admit I don't think I've ever seen one with concave buttons, that's uh certainly be different. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 749.85 752.09 Do we do we want uh 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 739.18 749.85 Um do we need it to uh I can't think of any re remote controls that I know of that actually light up at all. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 749.21 751.46 Oh yeah. 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 750.8 751.92 Mm that would be good. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 754.47 755.01 Yeah. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 752.71 754.47 Like a like a mobile phone? 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 754.12 754.71 Yeah. 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 754.41 754.68 Mm. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 755.68 757.25 Mm, yeah that would be good. 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 755.78 755.99 Mm. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 765.65 766.73 Okay. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 766.73 767.26 So 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 767.26 778.98 Andrew have you had any thoughts yet about how we might market something which there are already millions out there and that we want to uh uh uh t take over the entire 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 780.47 782.1 um the planet with? 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 782.19 787.69 Mm-hmm, um especially if we try to sell, what two million of them. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 790.38 792.56 Oh sorry, four million of 'em, but uh 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 826.45 830.08 therefore they want it so make it practical at the same time. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 818.63 826.45 but that might considering the act what the device is for and the nature of some people might not like respond to having a device that they just looks nice 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 810.75 818.63 is fashionable and like you just it's it's like uh it's one that rather than ra I wan I want rather than a kind of a need relationship with the device 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 795.57 810.75 I think if w if we market it as as not as not well this you c you could either market it as the point of view we could have the two we could have parallel marketing s schemes where you've got one where it appeals to people that want to have the new device that looks cool 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 830.08 839.78 I think it's this is gonna have to appeal to people that want device that can enhance their living room uh but also a device that uh 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 810.73 810.91 Mm. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 816.61 816.78 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 836.62 836.9 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 842.36 845.41 is practically sound. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 845.41 849.33 So um, I dunno we'll have to decide which which angle we're gonna go to or both. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 844.64 844.88 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 861.53 866.3 Um okay well first thoughts on um 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 851.23 861.53 Okay, yeah, yeah, well I d I think an any uh any facets that we identify w we aim need to aim for for all of. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 851.27 851.79 If you. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 861.3 862.52 Mm. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 867.86 869.73 the the industrial design side. 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 882.69 884.61 it's gonna something's gonna get messed up eventually. 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 878.33 882.69 you don't think of them as a comp like a computer can break down and you're kinda like oh well fair enough there's all these complex things going on 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 884.61 892.03 They they just need to be very very dependable because people sort of take them for granted and then if your remote control breaks it's 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 874.7 878.33 but you don't i i it's you sort of just assume they're always gonna work 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 868.53 874.7 Oh I think it's it's remote controls are kind of a unique object 'cause it's you depend on them so much 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 900 908.14 Uh I don't think we should make it too small I 'cause I think it needs to it can't be too big like you were saying big an and huge and um awkward 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 912.84 916.63 it's just gonna end up under a couch cushion somewhere and um yeah. 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 908.14 912.84 but also if you make it too small kinda like you know how mobile phones are getting smaller and smaller um 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 892.12 900 God forbid you actually get up and manually change the channel it just it needs to be very effective, very always dependable. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 893.93 896.29 Indeed. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 914.63 914.78 Yeah. 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 918.43 921.97 But so yes dependable, and have a good medium range size. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 923.89 930.35 Okay, and um colours, materials? 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 933.73 934.73 Kendra, anyone? 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 934.49 941.02 Well, most I think most of the remote controls now are either just black or grey 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 958.57 965.93 where you can change the face-plates or have kind of a variety so people can get different different things. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 952.58 958.57 Like the face-plates that you change so we could have maybe I don't know if it would be feasible to do something with that 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 941.02 952.58 so maybe we should go with something different or be able to I was just thinking of um what they're doing with mobile phones now how you can get the different um what are they called? 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 965.93 973.59 Have it kind of look how they want to, different colours, things like that, probably just plastic because that's always the lightest. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 953.49 953.64 Yeah. 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 953.62 954.87 Mm, mm-hmm. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 961.83 961.97 Uh-huh. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 970.58 971.01 Right. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 973.92 974.32 Yeah. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 976.61 977.96 Okay that's uh 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 982.57 991.54 it's uh the sort of the sort of thing that would get people uh thinking yes that's something that I haven't got and uh 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 980.61 982.57 Again I don't think that's ever been done before 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 982.89 983.18 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 993.96 995.17 might need so. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 995.17 1004.36 Uh Andrew, any thoughts about uh how we might market interchangeable fronts on on the remote control? 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 1005.4 1015.82 Um, well we could either market it together by getting control in a set colour or with like you buy it with several 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 1017.8 1018.8 uh like 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 1020.01 1025.67 you ge you get the f uh the face-plates with it when you buy or as a separate thing,
ES2012a H03 MEE048 1045.29 1046.04 Unless you were trying to 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 1031.76 1045.29 maybe a second thing like a second campaign to market new facials for your to your might go a bit astray since it is the kind of thing where y you generally get one and then forget about it. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 1025.67 1031.76 but uh maybe thinking of that, it's considering the nature of the device 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 1036.03 1036.32 Mm. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 1041.38 1041.71 Yeah. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 1045.33 1046.6 Yeah. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 1046.6 1047.13 I think 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 1046.26 1049.24 Well you could come up with like novelty ones, like they've done with the the mobile phones 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 1049.24 1060.08 you can get like different you know scenes from different movies and stuff on the remote control and sorta stagger the release of them and get people like oh I want that cover on it now and that'll keep them spending money. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 1052.09 1052.32 Mm. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 1052.64 1052.99 Yeah. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 1053.64 1055.26 Oh it's that's a that's a good idea. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 1058.58 1059.11 Yeah. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 1065.95 1067.63 We uh meeting is uh 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 1060.77 1065.95 Right, okay I think we've got um a good idea now. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 1059.28 1060.77 Mm-mm. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 1059.29 1059.69 Mm. 
ES2012a H03 MEE048 1060.83 1061.4 Yeah true. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 1070.05 1072.82 Needs to be k uh wrapped up fairly quickly. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 1072.82 1077.89 So uh um we've got thirty minutes to 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 1085.25 1086.18 Um 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 1079.75 1085.25 start looking at the um at the design in more detail. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 1091.93 1096.53 then we'll we will reconvene in in thirty minutes and try to get some of these ideas uh 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 1097.98 1099.97 uh more formalised. 
ES2012a H00 MEE045 1099.97 1101.39 Uh thank you very much indeed. 
ES2012a H02 FEE047 1101.52 1101.88 Okay. 
ES2012a H01 FEE046 1101.65 1102.04 Thank you. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 44.37 48.62 Okay, welcome to the second meeting of this uh design group. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 49.32 49.87 Um 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 53.26 56.07 I'll briefly go through the uh 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 57.75 59.24 notes of the of the last meeting 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 64.11 69.81 uh just done in in note form and I haven't attributed anything to individuals,
ES2012b H00 MEE045 69.81 78.75 because we're working strictly as a team here and uh n nobody's working equally, so uh. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 78.75 88.03 Um we we s we saw that the the problems with existing remote controls were the uh b a boring shape and boring colour. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 75.73 75.97 Sorry. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 98.04 99.14 that switching was easy, 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 89.32 98.04 Um and and we s we saw that the um what we needed to do was to to make sure the device um controls several items,
ES2012b H00 MEE045 110.3 118.18 that the keys might be concave, simply because that hasn't been done before that we know of. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 118.18 125.97 Um should have interchangeable fascias so people can personalise it, um illuminated so that people can see it in dark rooms. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 100.07 110.3 that you shouldn't need to point the thing at uh anything in particular, um that it need to be contoured to make it interesting,
ES2012b H00 MEE045 125.97 131.94 Um and that people might want it as as in addition to their existing remote controls. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 131.94 138.19 Um and that it sh it should just always work, whenever you uh um 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 140.6 144.13 And that it shouldn't be too small, mm that it it gets lost. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 139.47 140.6 mm uh use it. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 145.35 145.97 Um. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 156.46 156.97 Now uh 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 158.68 162.34 uh I'll shortly ask for for three three presentations. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 162.34 164.74 Uh before I do that, however 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 164.74 179 I will go through some new project requirements that um the the management have placed on us and uh will be challenging in terms of what we discussed at the first meeting. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 179 180.66 Um the uh 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 191.49 200.64 Um and and then we'll as a result of that we will then talk through the the functions that we see the the device um actually b carrying out 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 181.57 191.49 the ma the management has had it's own thoughts on this and uh the they don't necessarily agree with with what we uh we thought. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 200.64 205.05 and we have uh forty minutes to do this in and I uh 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 212.02 213.23 Anyway. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 213.23 213.74 Okay. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 217.98 219.29 Now 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 219.29 233.89 the n the new requirements are um the the management team see that um teletext is no longer of any importance given the uh the rise of the internet. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 233.89 237.8 Um and and they want it only to cover televisions. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 240.08 249.83 what is not q quite clear from their directive is whether they mean th they don't want it to cover teletext or whether they don't want it to cover 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 262.2 266.95 The um the actual wording of the directive is that it should cover television only. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 238.89 240.08 Um now 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 249.83 250.5 you know,
ES2012b H00 MEE045 250.5 262.2 videos, D. V. D. s, um satellite boxes, which uh I mean we saw as being fundamental to the uh to the exercise. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 275.85 286.07 um but possibly uh keep at the backs of our minds that the reality that people even when they uh no longer they don't look at teletext anymore 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 288.48 295.49 Um the device has to incorporate the company logo and colours. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 295.49 303.45 Um the the logo uh being at b the bottom of the screen there, the the the two R. s in grey against uh a yellow background. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 286.07 288.48 they certainly do look at other things. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 267.69 275.85 Um and on that basis um I I think we we need to bear that in mind 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 317.92 323.45 Um it also has to be simple, which to some extent goes along w with the first one 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 312.74 317.92 But uh do do introduce some some constraints as to how we might do that. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 323.45 327.99 and that we've already said that it must be simple 'cause that's what people want anyway. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 327.99 334.74 Um but they also want it to be simple to get it to the market quickly, which um 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 304.25 312.74 Um now this doesn't necessarily mean that we have to give up some of our ideas about making it attractive to the t to the market. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 346.11 352.45 Um okay, so uh 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 336.28 346.11 mm uh is is is their choice, but uh um we we need to talk that through. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 357.14 359.88 after the meeting it'll be summarised and uh 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 361.63 365.77 um notes sent out and uh etcetera. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 372.29 384.94 Um again I there is no order of precedence here um so I I I'll leave it up to you to who who who thinks they would like to go go first? 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 365.77 372.29 Okay, so we'll first of all mm have individual reports from everybody. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 388.13 390.09 Uh I don't mind. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 389.67 390.52 P fine. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 392.76 394.06 Uh can I steal the cable? 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 394.07 395.08 Oh sorry, you can indeed. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 399.66 400.05 Cheers. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 440.76 443.61 I got a how do I start there? 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 451.19 451.44 That one. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 444.07 451.19 Oh, if you click on the um uh the one that that looks like a projection screen, no the one to the right of that. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 454.12 462.18 Well these are functionality requirements from the our our guys down in the the research lab. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 462.18 468.62 Took hundred people and covered all the aspects of what um is needed by people and what they want to see. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 450.78 452.82 That one. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 452.82 454.12 Cool. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 481.5 485.73 And general opinions about current current remotes. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 485.73 492.23 See that, as we kinda noticed, seventy five percent of people find their remote controls ugly. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 471.42 481.5 Um everything kinda from functionality and how individual functions are how mu how how often they're used and how much their necessary and stuff. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 500.98 507.61 Uh along with um looking less ugly, if it looks better, eighty percent of people said they'd spend more money on it. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 493.88 500.98 So some kind of a new style should be incorporated that's less ugly. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 511.3 514.39 Which is a a plus for us, if we can make it look better, it'd be uh 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 515.59 516.92 more cost effective 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 518.22 519.75 and we can put the price up. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 526.01 528.45 I can empl I kinda take that to mean as um 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 522.94 526.01 Current remote controls do not match the operating behaviour of the user. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 531.79 532.44 they 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 542.58 545.51 a digital box, a D. V. D. player, a video player and T. V. . 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 533.62 534.95 they don't uh they, yeah 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 534.95 542.58 they only use they only work for the television or yeah like as in in my flat I've got six remote controls for a stereo system,
ES2012b H03 MEE048 545.51 556.61 If it was uh I mean th my behaviour is to use multiple things at the same time and multiple remotes aren't really matched well to my behaviour. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 562.61 569.04 I took to mean that they just they use it a lot, they use it regularly rather than standing up and 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 558.14 562.61 Uh again, seventy five percent is seventy five percent of users say they zap a lot. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 570.29 572.33 manually change channels or volume. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 573.67 574.63 And uh 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 576.25 582.13 yeah, uh I think the big issue is fifty percent users only use ten percent of the buttons 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 600 604.44 So I think maybe fewer buttons, which also make the design look sleeker, I dunno. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 582.13 587.52 'cause uh wh if we got a remote that like well we'll have some buttons taken off by the lack of teletext 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 587.52 600 but uh oh and we're going to see uh on the uh that some of the functions like audio settings aren't h hardly ever used and used very aren't considered relevant by the user. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 606.54 608.52 Uh um yeah and 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 613.91 619.2 I dunno maybe some kind of system of you press a button on the T. V. or maybe that's b it would have to incorporate 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 610.97 613.91 uh frustrations of like people losing remote control. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 619.2 622.54 but like some kind of system where you can f use something else to find the remote control. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 614.04 614.36 Mm. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 623.64 625.09 Maybe like it'll beep or something. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 627.15 634.08 And um, yep, the uh time taken to learn new remote controls is 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 635.24 639.6 Uh don't want to make it too complicated, easy to use for uh new like first time users and stuff. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 648.26 653.79 yeah, fewer buttons, like I was saying about the whole mice the mouse idea of it feels more comfortable. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 641.12 648.26 And uh repetitive strain injury, I suppose we should make it more comfortable and make ma possibly even use have to make it,
ES2012b H03 MEE048 653.79 655.9 Maybe don't even have to hold it as such. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 654.21 654.38 Mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 656.62 661.36 Gosh, must be some telly addicts out there if they get R. S. I. from their television remote, is all I can say. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 665.44 671.07 It also asked um if we would if people would pay more for speech recognition and younger people say they would. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 663.71 665.44 But uh yeah. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 686.04 687.85 May be incrementally emitting, but yeah. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 681.97 686.04 I don't actually know what the results for that were, so. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 674.28 681.97 And uh there was another section on our on the report for uh L. C. D. displays, but the data wasn't there, so. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 682.28 682.7 Right. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 682.1 682.28 Mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 684.89 685.15 Mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 687.94 695.87 Yeah, I must say that um the uh I c can't remember what um f you know phone service I was using the other day,
ES2012b H00 MEE045 695.87 701.31 but that had sorta speech recognition which worked uh remarkably well, so that is indeed a uh 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 702.72 703.42 um 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 704.42 709.92 And uh it would cut out the R. S. I. as well if you 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 704.5 705.89 a thought and it it cuts out uh 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 707 710.93 I was was gonna say, you can't get a lot of R. S. I., j just get jaw ache. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 710.93 711.44 Okay, sorry. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 712.2 718.42 Yeah, um oh yeah, so possibly the speech recognition is possibly something could add into the design. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 718.42 721.47 Oh, I've got some other things I couldn't fit onto this presentation. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 724.13 724.46 Um. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 728.51 729.7 Almost no? 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 729.7 730.53 It's sorry it's a bit. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 730.53 731.84 I'll read out to you. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 731.84 739.61 Uh functionality, uh like people's opinions on functionality, the relevance to the remote and how often they're used. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 727.72 728.51 You see this okay? 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 739.61 740.44 So um 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 754.94 765.09 So m we can maybe even start to cut down on or I was possibly even thinking of a design that maybe some of the buttons are hidden from everyday use. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 750.46 754.94 Whereas channel selection, which is very high relevance is used the most. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 742.91 749.91 Using the using the d swi the power switch to switch on T. V. is a high relevance of nine, but it's not frequently used. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 767.87 775.3 So that we can maybe go into the channel settings and the audio settings, which are low relevance and rarely used. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 749.91 750.46 You see what I mean? 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 741.92 742.91 like the power. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 765.09 767.87 Maybe like uh a folding ledge or something. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 775.3 780.35 And keep the v volume selection and channel selection very easily 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 750.72 751.76 Yeah. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 752.87 753.22 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 768.48 768.79 Mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 780.76 782.06 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 782.06 782.81 I mean 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 800.8 801.29 Yeah. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 781.7 788.18 It could be oh uh I was just gonna say uh maybe like the flip phones that they use? 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 793.66 800.8 so you could have the most used buttons on top and flip it out or something. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 788.18 793.66 Have you seen the new mo mobile phones that flip out and they have the like texting, and then the numbers on one side 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 788.52 788.8 Mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 789.09 790.14 Yeah. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 791.2 792.13 Oh yeah. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 794.36 794.63 Mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 798.12 798.53 Hmm, hmm. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 798.24 798.38 Mm. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 798.53 801.73 Yeah, like the one that like slides back and the buttons are concealed underneath. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 799.89 799.99 Uh. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 812.14 817.47 We we could actually have we could actually have a remote control with um 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 803.69 812.14 If people really don't use those buttons to any extent at all um remove them altogether. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 801.03 803.69 Should we actually bite the bullet here? 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 801.52 801.75 Mm. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 809.24 811.09 Just remove them completely? 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 811.7 813.71 That might be the 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 821.9 829 I wonder whether we could get the remote control with no buttons at all if we went for voice recognition, given that um the 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 830.76 838.32 Um now the the age structure we were looking at um I mean w we had usage by age structure 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 845.53 849.1 Now do we know whether they 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 838.32 845.53 what we didn't have was what proportion of people using remotes were in those particular age groups. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 845.96 847.04 Uh yeah. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 862.51 863.15 Yes we 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 856.39 862.51 um u use remote controls to a great extent. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 850.08 856.39 Forty no sorry for forty five to fifty five age group, uh to put myself right in the middle of it 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 863.11 866.32 Um no this is for pay more for speech recognition. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 867.36 873.95 So, we're looking at um well again, we don't know the relative proportion the relative numbers in the age groups. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 864.34 867.36 That would 've speech recogn right. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 875.24 875.74 Yeah, that's true. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 876.1 877.43 If we wanted something 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 880.1 887.84 different, truly different, then the buttonless remote control w would be it. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 883.88 884.08 P 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 892.1 897.11 If you just kind of take away everything that they're used to knowing, that's gonna be quite a change. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 886.78 892.1 Well the only problem I can think of with that is if you've got a lot of people that don't wanna be bothered learning how to use new rem remote controls. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 897.11 897.72 It might 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 896.8 900.4 But if you just lift it up and say, channel one or B. B. C. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 903.61 906.46 You could just put it down once on top your T. V. and never have to 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 899.36 903.61 Or even I mean you could even just have it left on. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 903.7 904.06 Maybe i 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 914.08 915.06 you won't lose it. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 906.66 906.85 Yeah 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 906.85 914.08 have a big kind of like the satellite box or the cable box and have it just go on the T. V. and then it doesn't matter where in the room you are 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 914.28 914.78 Yeah. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 914.49 914.75 Mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 925.3 935.17 I. T. V. and you're watching B. B. C. then then it might um change itself, so it probably needs to be um possibly actually need a button on it 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 915.63 920.09 It c well it I can I can see technical problems with that in terms of the, you know,
ES2012b H00 MEE045 920.09 925.3 the sound from the television, because if somebody actually on the television says uh uh, you know,
ES2012b H01 FEE046 918.46 918.78 Mm. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 919.46 920.21 No. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 922.38 924.77 B. B. C. one. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 923 925.44 Yeah. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 923.35 926.07 Oh. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 928.46 928.76 Yeah. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 932.85 933.49 Yeah, that's true. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 936.19 937.76 just to activate it. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 943.63 952.98 And and then just say, oh I don't know, a thought and and then uh I mean that that would certainly be uh truly different. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 937.76 943.63 Or or something just to identify that you've lifted it up and it's use. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 936.21 936.64 Oh yeah. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 944.27 944.6 Yeah. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 954.59 960.07 Um 'cause uh you know audio settings, nought point eight percent. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 960.07 960.95 I mean if they weren't there, 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 962.99 963.87 Mm-mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 963.13 964.43 would people miss them? 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 965.02 967.36 But look at the importance of them. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 967.36 968.48 The volume settings. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 970.29 971.73 Relevance of two out of ten, yeah. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 971.76 982.38 Vol volume, yes um th w we need to s identify things that people actually need and and it's a function of frequency and relevance. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 986.98 993.75 um the channel and volume and th w w given given that we've been told to ignore teletext. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 993.75 996.28 Uh channel and volume are the only ones that 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 982.38 986.98 And um I would say ignoring ig ignoring power for the moment 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 972.03 972.45 Yeah. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 977.14 977.44 Yeah. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 973.49 977.14 They're not used often but they are quite important when they're used. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 989.53 989.92 Mm. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 993.43 993.71 Yeah. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 997.42 999.82 uh would appear to be essential. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 997.96 998.57 Stand out. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1001.41 1002.07 Um. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1003.89 1008.29 So we if we can design something that that looks interesting, 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1011.59 1024.09 um incorporates the the logo and and the colours and um we can still have our interchangeable fascias even if it's the yellow and grey, um 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1009.66 1011.59 know, or looks different,
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1025.41 1030.04 and uh I dunno, buttons or or buttons as an option. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1032.43 1045.05 Uh you were saying about um it could technical problems of like uh someone on the television saying a channel number and it changed we could maybe have like an activation 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1030.52 1032.43 Uh I just had a thought actually, sorry to interrupt. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1032.26 1033.42 Do, please. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1041.94 1042.42 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1046.42 1046.76 word. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1048.5 1055.3 'Cause I've seen I've seen this used on computers before, where you just you address the remote, you address the computer, and then give it a command. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1048.9 1050.3 You cer certainly could. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1051.93 1052.24 Mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1054.54 1058.91 Depe uh i depends whether um if we want to make this 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1060.69 1065.49 so simple that anybody can walk into the room and lift it up and say 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1065.76 1066.21 Oh I see. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1066.21 1068.45 Oh yeah, I see. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1068.9 1070.75 Um okay, I mean you could 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1067.3 1068.9 B. B. C. one. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1071.99 1073.41 print actually print it on the uh 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1073.56 1075.13 Mm-hmm, yeah. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1074.91 1076.06 device itself. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1077.08 1077.5 Um. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1077.24 1081.27 I mean I'm just thinking of the point of view of peop you could still like lose this remote. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1081.4 1085.4 S th this I th that's always gonna be a problem I think. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1085.4 1089.16 Um and I I I s so I suppose one um 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1084.67 1085.35 Mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1097.76 1099.53 Anyway, sorry, carry on. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1099.53 1101.11 Do you want to just carry on with 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1093.46 1097.76 could make it so desirable that if people lose it they immediately go out and buy another one. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1101.2 1102.89 Oh no I I interrupted you, sorry. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1102.03 1106.46 or no no, no uh b I was in the middle of in the middle of your report there. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1104.97 1105.51 Oh okay. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1107.15 1108.96 Um well, I was just kinda wrapping up there. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1108.96 1113.39 Yeah, I was thinking um, yeah, maybe such things are relevant. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1113.39 1119.59 We could make things much more f I think the the eighty percent of people would spend more on uh a remote uh that looks better, 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1109.51 1109.99 Mm okay. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1139.81 1147.3 But, since if we're marketing a more kind of fashionable approach then it'd it would be fashion and fashion over practicality. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1129.42 1139.81 alright take out teletext, but as for channel settings and stuff it might it might um turn people somewhe peop some people that want the whole functionality away. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1120.92 1129.42 combined with uh decrease the or take out the limited functio functions that we don't really use much. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1143 1143.29 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1149.03 1158.14 S s we could we could make it dual function voice recognition and still have buttons on it um 'cause we're 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1154.28 1155.07 Oh, we could, yeah. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1163.5 1163.86 so. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1157.26 1163.5 we could even have it as like a yeah the buttons control this and the voice functions control the f things that you would do all the time 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1156.89 1157.26 We c yeah 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1166.43 1167.39 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1164.22 1166.43 Certainly could. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1166.1 1172.11 So uh yeah, if we could uh power on and channel selection and and volume selection, wouldn't have to really 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1166.39 1166.5 Mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1172.36 1175.66 The I mean the the advantage of doing away the buttons altogether is it makes the thing cheaper. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1176.67 1178.75 Yeah and probably it would look better as well. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1178.72 1184.18 No, it cou certainly opens up the possibility for making it uh, you know, visually very distinctive. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1184.3 1185.77 Yeah. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1185.77 1186.01 yeah. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1185.53 1189.69 Um 'cause you know, it does not have to be a oblong box. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1190.17 1190.43 Mm. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1191.46 1193.52 Lined with numbered buttons and 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1192.79 1193.29 Mm, yeah. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1194.98 1197.82 Okay, who sorry, have you have you finished there Andy? 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1197.82 1198.39 Yep, yep. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1197.32 1198.54 Uh yeah, yeah, that's everything. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1198.93 1205.66 Um given that we've already had a extensive discussion uh. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1207.22 1209.53 Okay well, I can do mine. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1208.88 1209.02 Hmm. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1210.94 1211.52 Do you want the cable? 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1215.4 1216.72 Um. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1211.7 1215.4 Yeah, let's see if I can make this work. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1236.59 1238.68 Oh, you have to hit like function and F. something. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1238.73 1239.68 Oh. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1239.08 1239.72 F. eight. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1239.76 1241.03 F. eight. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1246.02 1246.73 Is it doing 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1249.47 1250.34 Dunno. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1250.63 1252.21 Uh, give it about twenty seconds, or so. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1252.56 1252.92 Okay. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1254.01 1255.17 Ah, there we go. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1254.19 1254.94 Oh yeah, it's going. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1254.26 1254.65 Oh okay. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1266.33 1267.54 So the method 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1261.63 1266.33 Okay, so this is just about the technical functions. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1267.54 1279.55 I looked online for examples of other similar products and then just kind of was trying to brainstorm some possible design ideas and um identify what the necessary things are 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1283.13 1286.08 Um and then there are two different kinds that I found. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1286.08 1293.83 There's a user centred one and an engineering centred one which I will have pictures of and then we kinda have to decide which one this should be. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1279.55 1283.13 what people are what you really wanna have a remote control do. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1265.02 1265.45 Alright. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1290.98 1291.3 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1300 1310.87 This one um this is the user centred, it has uh quite a few mm uh um fewer buttons and then this is the engineering centred,
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1331.25 1337.82 And so for this product it's gonna be television only, and then it has to have the uh logos 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1326.09 1331.25 you know, turn on, off, switch the channels and the volume and things such as that. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1295.46 1300 So these are the two different ones. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1310.87 1319.28 which has a lot more buttons, and probably this is one that people complain about, about having too many buttons that you don't use. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1319.28 1326.09 So basically, what a remote control is is you it's to send messages to the television set,
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1312.17 1312.64 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1341.47 1348.32 And so, for my personal preferences, I think this one is easier to use and has quite a you know, fewer buttons. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1356.91 1363.46 It looks kind of narrow at the top, and I was thinking maybe if it were wider at the top, then that would be easier. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1338.92 1341.47 for the company and the colours. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1348.32 1356.91 Um we want something that sends messages easily to the television and I was kind of wondering about this example that they have. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1361.2 1362.13 Mm, yeah. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1368.58 1373.52 E the unique style, maybe have it light up so it's visible in the dark,
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1364.25 1368.58 Um and so we have to decide what's gonna make our product different. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1379.97 1386.28 maybe to have a button on the television that you press and it maybe if it makes a noise or lights up or something like that 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1386.28 1391.45 so it's easier to find if someone has hidden under the couch or something like that. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1373.52 1379.97 um the changeable face-plates, and the lighting up and visible I was when we were talking about havi losing it 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1393.56 1396.23 So that's my presentation. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1397.25 1397.47 Yeah. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1404.24 1405.71 I'm actually gonna use the 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1397.36 1404.24 Okay, can I um I'm actually gonna use the um it's gonna cause great technical problems over here. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1414.93 1418.5 F they probably clip to you. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1416.8 1418.14 Oh yeah, they might be movable. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1418.14 1421.47 Oh yeah, they're all they're not connected to anything on the table, you just leave 'em on and walk around with 'em. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1417.3 1417.84 Yeah. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1450.18 1456.17 Um something like this shape, you know 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1444.1 1450.18 Yes, rather than the uh the the traditional in fact, um I won't even go that far. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1459.94 1464.78 um that you you sort of hold in your hand, um, well I'm trying to think 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1456.17 1459.94 sort of something that you can that's sort of a more vertical shape,
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1472.39 1477.25 but with the the entire top with the, you know, the uh the infrared or whatever source. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1465.9 1472.39 uh uh uh l uh l such as I mean um something you hold up like that, possibly with a couple of buttons like that,
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1472.61 1472.88 Mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1478.1 1479.73 Uh so that you know, it's 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1480.85 1488.78 flying off in all directions, so that uh um uh again the n need to look at the the the technicalities of um 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1480.96 1481.27 Mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1498.65 1504.43 um you know, compromise the our our need for uh you know, it it being 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1492.48 1498.65 actually achieving that in terms of whether the, you know, the power requirements of the uh such a source,
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1505.2 1506.85 um mm permanently 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1520.63 1526.26 Uh we we possibly need to be looking at at at something different, um you know, short range 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1511.16 1520.63 Uh whether whether different technology um I mean th all all these remotes are presumably infrared, and like they have been for a long time. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1532.68 1533.43 Um 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1509.18 1511.16 uh you know, available. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1526.26 1532.68 not like the old uh radio remote controls where you'd change next door's telly when you change yours. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1544.43 1553.45 r know, really bite the bullets and and reduce the buttons to absolute minimum, you know, possibly with backup channel and volume buttons and on off. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1535.62 1544.43 but uh uh I think basically i if we're going for i if minimum number of buttons is our priority, then we should, as I say,
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1553.45 1555.15 Um and nothing else. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1564.94 1571.32 Um anyway okay um so Kate, wh what are your uh your thoughts on this? 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1555.95 1564.94 Um so that it can al it could uh almost end up like that, but again, except that um you know the risk of losing it. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1567.74 1568.96 Yes, mm. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1568.95 1569.63 Oh. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1572.6 1573.88 Which one does this plug into? 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1574.01 1577.24 Hmm I think it's all there. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1577.13 1577.57 That one. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1579.85 1580.27 H 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1605.49 1607.99 I can't did you could you see it on you screen when it 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1607.9 1611.22 Oh yeah. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1611.22 1614.12 That's kind of strange. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1614.94 1615.74 Anyways. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1614.51 1614.94 Oh well. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1612.12 1614.51 That's not cool. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1615.74 1620.81 Um alright, yeah, so um I'll just do my presentation on the working design uh. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1624.89 1626.34 Oh there we go. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1641.39 1655.12 you need to start off you need an energy source and this energy source will feed into an integrated circuit chip and the circuit chip is the part that actually composes the different messages uh within the remote um which will then be sent to the uh the television 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1627.9 1633.08 Okay um just at the m yeah the whole sort of method of how the remote control works. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1669.72 1670.81 Um 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1633.08 1639.26 Uh the basic function of the remote control is to send messages to another sh system, the the T. V. or the D. V. D. player or whatever. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1658.85 1669.72 which controls the chip and thus the messages and uh the user interface is that's basically just you kn the s sorta design of the actual remote which you hold in your hands and what buttons will be on it. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1655.12 1657.15 the D. V. D. to tell that what to do. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1657.15 1658.85 Um and you need a user interface 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1639.26 1641.39 Um and it does this uh by well 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1673.3 1677.44 Oh shoot. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1690.78 1697.61 Um a circuit chip within that to uh control and send the messages and um a sender and receiver. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1677.44 1678.27 Okay. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1678.27 1680.11 Uh just general findings. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1680.11 1685.3 Uh what we need uh technically speaking for the remote control is some sort of energy source,
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1685.3 1690.78 uh some sort of user interface, which I think we've mostly been talking about the user interface and the design of that. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1704.93 1705.42 Uh-huh. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1702.3 1704.93 And um oops. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1710.1 1725.75 Uh this just kinda represents the energy source which feeds into the circuit chip uh which maybe then we could have that feed into a switch which would send signals f to um a subcomponent and on to a light bulb between so it'll light up once we start once you start pressing buttons. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1725.75 1732.62 Um also send signals to the um infrared bulb, which will be the part that actually what? 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1707.03 1710.1 This is just sort of a little schematic diagram of what we're looking for. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1732.62 1735.65 Sends signals to the the television. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1735.65 1737.87 And then you've got your happy little T. V. watcher there. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1710.7 1710.81 Hmm. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1780.53 1781.69 And that's pretty much it. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1746.81 1750.85 uh perhaps some sort of rechargeable battery or a battery dock you could place it in,
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1772.17 1780.53 so when it does get stuck under the couch cushions, as they inevitably do, you can find them easily. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1757.3 1764.98 Uh a wide range uh sender-receiver, so that you can hit the buttons from basically anywhere in the room, and the channel'll still be changed. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1750.85 1757.3 so it'd constantly be charged, so you wouldn't have to uh be worrying about it running out of batteries and not changing channels for you. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1764.98 1772.17 Uh also definitely a user-friendly interface um and I think we've all sort of mentioned adding a a locating device on it,
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1741.01 1746.81 And so my personal preferences I I just think we need sorta big uh energy source that won't die out 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1782.29 1782.88 Okay. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1784.75 1797.46 Uh it seems seems to me there are a number of fundamental decisions to make before we um I think your point about the the big energy source is uh a very valid one. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1807.66 1809.06 Um given 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1797.46 1807.66 Um I don't suppose we've got any statistics on the the life expectancy of uh remote controls, particularly sort of independent ones. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1789.17 1789.52 Mm. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1794.15 1794.33 Mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1827.1 1828.65 You know, the the the battery will last 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1810.16 1815.41 you know, the number of things you buy these days, which you know, have a a a lithium whatever battery in,
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1818.85 1827.1 Um perhaps we should have the the disposable remote control, uh um you know, one some sort of typical usage. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1815.41 1818.85 that's uh, you know never needs replacing. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1829.64 1831.26 know, five, ten years. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1832.34 1835.98 By which time I mean when all's said and done, the digital television 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1840.58 1841.12 Um 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1836.99 1840.58 will be taking over in that time scale. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1838.39 1838.65 Mm. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1840.04 1840.2 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1842.05 1844.42 uh uh p perhaps we should, know, reduce the uh, you know 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1844.42 1849.2 the sort of moving parts even more by not even having a battery compartment and uh 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1851.31 1852.2 Oh, cool. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1848.4 1851.31 Just having one that's guaranteed to last five to ten years? 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1866.78 1869.91 Uh so I th think you know the idea of a rechargeable one is um 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1850.88 1855.21 Yeah, and if if anybody manages to run it down, we'll we'll give 'em a new one. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1863.68 1866.78 I mean it's hardly a gimmick, it's uh it's totally practical. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1855.21 1863.68 Um it's, you know, it's what it saves in cost and you know there there's a well, it's actually a marketing gimmick. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1853.12 1855.62 Yeah, fair enough. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1871.34 1879.14 uh unless you're really high tech and it sort of just recharges itself if it's n by, you know, magnetic waves or whatever, if if it 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1878.12 1883.84 It could have like uh know like a cordless phone in your house it s got like a base that sits there all the time. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1882.65 1883.72 Yeah. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1883.72 1886.13 Are are people really gonna use it though? 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1886.13 1886.61 Um. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1882.79 1883.77 Mm, mm. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1885.64 1887.05 I suppose, yeah. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1885.81 1892.37 Yeah, people are pro I would think that people might forget I mean people forget to put their cordless phones back on there, so. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1886.73 1887.33 Mm yeah. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1889.64 1890.84 I I th I think 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1891.92 1892.16 Mm-mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1892.88 1903.86 it's um I mean I know that somei times my my wife goes out in the morning and says oh I should have put the phone on to charge and then then she's had those for so long that if she hasn't worked that out by now. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1892.52 1892.88 Yeah 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1903.86 1904.41 Um. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1892.75 1893.13 Yeah. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1898.78 1899.32 Mm. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1905.03 1908.62 'Cause I only remember to charge my cell phone uh when battery dies. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1910.99 1915.03 Yeah, when it turns itself off, that's when I plug it in, yeah. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1908.62 1910.99 And that's pretty much yeah. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1908.27 1909.53 Yeah. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1911.85 1921.75 Yeah, yeah, yeah, so uh um what so wh what what do we think about the um the the permanent mm battery? 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1909.57 1911.85 When it yeah, wh when it's died is a problem. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1921.83 1923.89 Yeah, think that's a good idea. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1922.97 1923.1 Uh. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1923.1 1925.04 That sounds pretty good, yeah. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1923.26 1923.32 No. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1925.46 1931.46 Is the uh you know, we we we are really going for the ultimate in ex uh external simplicity here. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1931.46 1934 Um you know, cut cost within the 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1926.62 1926.79 Um. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1930.01 1930.81 Mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1935.01 1936.54 manufacturing and uh 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1938.56 1942.72 you know, if we have a high tech interior, then then that that sh may well be cost effective. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1943.27 1944.99 Do they make batteries that last that long? 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1945.64 1946.72 I mean th th certainly. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1952.47 1953.94 I mean calculators for example. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1946.72 1952.47 Um I can't think of anything off the s top of my head, but there are certainly things that you buy. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1954.66 1961.5 They usually have the little light uh source, I dunno what the heck they're called, the but yeah, the little cells that 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1958.58 1960.01 Yeah, they have that little solar 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1960.28 1967.21 Som well some do, I mean th th but there are battery ones that um are you know, sort of permanently sealed. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1967.21 1968.28 In in fact I'd 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1962.28 1962.63 Yeah. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 1964.17 1964.4 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1965.04 1965.87 Mm. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1966.79 1967.27 Yeah. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1982.24 1984.91 but you will have the battery there for when you need it. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1970.52 1973.24 like when there is light, they'll work off the light, and if there isn't,
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1973.24 1977.51 they'll kick into this battery, so we can maybe do something like that whereas there is a battery,
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1977.51 1982.24 but if there's enough light, then it's using the light, so that it's not actually draining the battery all the time 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1968.58 1970.52 Most of them, don't they have sort of a combination of the two,
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1972.67 1973.76 Yeah, uh uh 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 1981.93 1982.29 Mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1983.94 1987.5 Yeah, I I mean th th this needs going t into the technology a bit. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1987.5 1991.68 I mean the the actual time that a remote control is actually operating 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1986.62 1987.4 Mm. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1991.64 1992.37 Mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1992.9 1993.85 I would think is 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1995.04 1998.36 i is is probably, you know, no more than minutes in its entire life. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 2006.31 2008.58 Yeah, then they're clicking a lot, yeah. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 1999.8 2006.31 Oh, it depend if it's uh depends who who's using it, who's just sitting there clicking clicking clicking clicking, yeah. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 1999.81 2002.29 Um. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2002.72 2004.81 Yeah, some people are 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2003.91 2010.54 If, but I say if if people are getting R. S. I. from it then uh then uh then then perhaps we're looking at the wrong market n 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2008.02 2008.98 Yeah. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2006.85 2008.02 Yeah. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 2009.38 2017.81 W like like this um this uh market research thing says number of times per hour that it's used, channel selection a hundred and sixty eight 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2018.35 2020.59 Per hour? 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 2018.62 2019.61 times per hour. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2019.06 2019.54 Right. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 2019.37 2024.74 Yeah. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 2024.74 2024.99 Yeah. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 2020.79 2022.63 Yeah. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2023.49 2025.43 That's a lot. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2022.1 2023.49 Wow. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2028.26 2029.6 That does sound excessive. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2025.11 2028.26 Oh, I must admit I hadn't um I'd I'd missed that. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 2030.58 2035.13 But then again, if you think it of the amount of, you know amount of use it's like 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2035.97 2036.3 Yeah. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 2036.28 2039.11 That's it's less than a second, um. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 2038.16 2038.8 Yeah. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 2037.04 2038.16 Yeah. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2038.04 2038.61 Yeah. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2039.8 2040.31 Well that's right 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2040.31 2046.53 and and I I don't I don't even know whether the I don't even know whether the s the signal lasts as long as you actually keep the button pressed 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2046.53 2048.08 or whether it's just a 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 2045.16 2045.54 Mm. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 2047.94 2049.64 Yeah. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2054.37 2054.82 Um. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2049.4 2054.37 sorta tenth of a second, no matter how long you press it for, I don't know I don't actually know. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2054.33 2058.57 Though I think with digital T. V., like I know on my cable box 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2058.57 2062.63 you're not supposed to do that because the channel can't keep up with it if you just press it like that 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2062.63 2066.19 so you're supposed to use the menu and go through the different 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2061.67 2061.98 Yeah. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 2061.88 2062.48 Mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2064.84 2065.15 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 2064.88 2065.17 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2067.66 2069.53 channels that way instead of 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2071.28 2071.94 Mm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2081.13 2088.85 Um 'cause we're we're getting um right, so I'd I need to sum up very quickly here um. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2088.85 2090.44 We're looking at extreme simplicity. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2077.65 2081.13 Right, so I've got a message to say five minutes, I dunno how long ago that appeared. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2081.44 2082.14 Uh-oh. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2092.23 2093.04 We're looking at a 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2094.19 2095.42 radically different shape. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2097.21 2102.37 Possibly no buttons at all um, but if you can incorporate um 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2110.42 2120.42 Um in the I mean the the role of the of the um the user interface des designer becomes b you know more important here,
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2103.4 2110.42 channel change and volume buttons um in into the design, then then that's fine. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2120.42 2122.17 because, you know, shape is no longer an 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2127.16 2133.07 But we clearly only need th the main buttons, although, uh if clearly only need the main functions. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2122.96 2127.16 a uh um a serious constraint. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2145.61 2148.62 volume control and on off. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2134.73 2145.61 Um I don't see why we shouldn't go for voice recognition um and the the only buttons that I think we need are channel control 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2150.8 2163.55 Um it needs to incorporate the corporate logo, uh the the grey and yellow colour scheme and there's no reason why we can't introduce um interchangeable 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2167.53 2172.91 Um uh d so does that accurately summarise what we've discussed? 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2165.11 2167.53 uh covers. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 2173.92 2174.23 Yeah. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2174.05 2174.36 Yeah. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 2174.55 2175.54 Yep. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 2175.54 2175.81 Hmm. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2175.84 2176.31 Right. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2176.87 2178.97 Um 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2179.91 2180.64 So uh 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2182.73 2189.39 So are we doing just the television or are we doing so not D. V. D. players, we okay, okay. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2181.42 2182.73 Oh I just have one question. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2181.43 2182.85 Yeah. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2185.57 2188.1 We are doing just the television. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2188.1 2188.39 No. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2190 2192.85 I think that's quite clear from the the information that we've been given, no? 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 2191.98 2192.64 Mm. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2193.11 2193.9 Okay. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 2196.39 2199.84 In fact they're in the constraints email that I got. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 2194.06 2196.39 Yeah, like in the email of television only. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2200.35 2200.82 Right. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 2201.13 2203.01 Didn't you mention the teletext, just television only? 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2202.75 2204.76 Oh yeah well th that's one I s that's one I sent you 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2210.78 2212.76 Um 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2204.76 2210.78 which which was my interpretation of uh of the uh what came down from from head office. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 2203.23 2203.52 Mm. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2203.44 2203.81 Yeah. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 2207 2207.37 Oh yeah. 
ES2012b H03 MEE048 2205.62 2207 Oh okay. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 2206.44 2207.65 Yeah. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2207.75 2208.41 Oh okay. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 2208.62 2208.98 Okay. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2216.34 2220.26 That's that that that that's their uh their view. 
ES2012b H00 MEE045 2221.52 2227.87 Okay, so uh we can all give some thought to that uh for for the next meeting, thank you very much indeed. 
ES2012b H02 FEE047 2226.92 2227.16 Okay. 
ES2012b H01 FEE046 2228.01 2228.25 Cool. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 15.36 16.07 Alright? 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 16.57 21.48 Thank you for coming to this third meeting of the uh uh design group. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 16.07 16.57 Alright. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 57.71 59.83 Um and people lose them. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 59.83 61.02 And 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 40.4 52.21 Um the the the problem with existing remote controls, we felt, was that they're ugly um and that people are prepared to pay a premium for something better. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 52.21 57.71 Um they've got lots of buttons on them that uh people don't use and find difficult to learn. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 21.48 34.25 Um I think we uh made some definite progress at the last one um and come up with some interesting uh uh w suggestions for our our new remote control. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 34.25 40.4 Um I'll again very quickly uh just present some notes of that meeting. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 76.22 84.39 and that if we have any buttons they should be very few of them and only for those functions that are actually identified that that people use. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 103.84 113.47 So that w uh when people are uh happy with that, they will they will want to buy uh everything else from us. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 84.39 96.44 That um we want to go for uh a long lasting battery that we gua we guarantee for the life of the uh uh the product and a shape that will be instantly recognisable,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 96.44 103.84 A. um as uh a trendy remote control, and and B. as uh a Real Reaction product. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 113.47 114.24 Uh 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 69.84 76.22 um that we're we should look at speech recognition rather than r rather than buttons 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 61.65 69.84 We we thought that f for our our new uh uh remote control that everybody will want to rush out and buy 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 119.56 120.53 Okay. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 126.03 138.18 I'll we'll have the three three presentations from the the the three of you and then uh we'll we'll make a a final a final uh decision. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 124.12 126.03 So again um 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 138.18 141.94 Um and the the decisions that we need to to make today, finally,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 141.94 148.13 are um what energy source we want to use, whether i it is practical to use uh um 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 149.29 151.35 a a a long lasting one. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 174.75 177.25 you know, for life, guaranteed for life. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 166.18 174.75 And uh it it'll be uh, you know, prominently displayed as part of the th the advertising literature that it's um um,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 158.19 166.18 then basically it's uh sealed for life and uh if anybody does manage to run one down, we'll we'll give them another one. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 151.35 158.19 And uh I I think our discussion was around the fact that uh if we're gonna go for uh a long lasting power supply,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 200.7 202.96 Uh I mean I'm I'm I'm 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 195.65 200.7 Or or do we buy one off the shelf and and programme it ourselves? 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 178.08 195.65 Um now the the the internal chip um and uh this is where I need uh uh Kate's expert advice and given that th this has to to go to market as quickly as possible um d d do we go for a custom designed chip? 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 215.79 224.25 And then the uh, you know, the the overall design of the case uh is is is Kendra's field and uh 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 210.41 215.79 But uh that that's uh that's your area of expertise. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 204.8 210.41 n not an expert on these things, but presumably, there must be loads of 'em already on the market that we can modify. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 225.58 232.23 we we had some discussions last time as as to uh how we might go forward and we'll we'll finalise those 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 233.39 237.05 uh da today. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 237.05 242.28 Um and thi this is all linked in with the the the user interface, whether we p um 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 243.31 247.33 go for voice, buttons, or or a bit of both. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 247.33 247.67 Uh 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 249.41 255.04 and then uh, you know, f for the next meeting Kate will be looking at the the the s the look,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 255.04 258.49 feel and design, Kendra the uh 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 260.17 265.63 ho how the the user actually uses it and and Andrew of course the the product evaluation. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 265.63 275.14 And uh Kate and Kendra will be producing a a model for us to uh to look at. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 275.14 284.75 Uh so, if if we can have the the three presentations again please, and uh um p perhaps you'd like to start uh k. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 283.46 285.44 Okay. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 285.44 286.32 Um 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 285.44 286.01 Kate. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 289.31 291.93 Oh I'm sorry, oh sorry. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 290.08 292.44 Um p there we go. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 318.26 320.6 And 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 313.93 318.26 'Kay, I'll just be talking about the components design. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 327.18 336.82 Uh basically they wait for you to press a key or give a voice command and then this is translated uh into uh light signals which are then seen by the T. V. . 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 323.42 327.18 Okay, basically I just uh looked at what exactly do remotes do. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 355.56 357.33 Um. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 336.82 348.64 Uh the materials we're gonna need to look at uh the two big ones are the integrated circuit chip and the battery and the in integrated circuit chip uh works in conjunction with a a diode transistor or resonator 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 348.64 355.56 uh two more resistors and a capacitor and the battery works in conjunction with a resistor and a capacitor. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 373.25 388.51 This signal's sent to the transistor which amplifies it and then sends it on to the light emitting diode and uh which is then trai changed into a infrared light which is sent to the T. V. and sort of seen by the T. V. and which uh changes the channels. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 360.3 373.25 Uh basically what happens is you'll press a number or give a voice command and this creates a a connection within the the remote that allows the chip the chip then senses this connection and produces a signal in a Morse code format. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 394.58 395.64 Uh cool. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 389.26 392.75 Um. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 392.75 394.58 Oh. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 415.91 416.45 Um 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 403.89 410.67 Uh so as for how we should end up uh using this in our remote uh t couple of main questions are the buttons. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 410.67 415.91 Uh y the fewer buttons you have, I guess the fewer internal connections and internal codes you're gonna need. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 429.82 438.15 and the company has informed me via email that uh they're experts at pushbuttons and that seems to be the most uh cost-effective way of producing it. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 417.51 425.91 however uh to n not have buttons or to use a voice commands instead of buttons might make these connections more difficult and uh raise the production cost. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 427.58 429.82 Also we have to work within the company constraints 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 425.91 427.58 That's something we should think about. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 438.88 443.57 Um also with battery connections the company has some limits on the batteries we can use 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 443.57 458.94 so I was thinking perhaps a combination of solar cells with a back-up basic battery and somehow between the combination of that two we might be able to come up with something that uh will last the the lifetime or the five to ten years and we could still keep that original idea. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 496.94 499.8 And that pretty much sums it up. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 484.05 489.69 which haven't really been used much on remotes, so there's not really chips out there that would be easy to uh to convert 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 459.65 464.97 Um we also need to look at the chips, uh v custom-designed versus off the shelf 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 479.26 484.05 but it's going to be less flexible with the features, especially things like uh voice activation,
ES2012c H01 FEE046 472.4 473.85 Um, however that's gonna cost more 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 464.97 472.4 and the custom-designed will give us much more flexibility and enable us to incorporate the voice function that we all uh seem to have agreed upon. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 473.85 479.26 but uh the off the shelf is gonna be uh cheaper and it's gonna be allow us to produce it quicker and get out there faster,
ES2012c H01 FEE046 489.69 496.94 so if we were uh definitely gonna go with the the voice option we'd probably have to design um our own chip. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 499.68 505.86 Okay, so how um sorry, can you uh just put that one back up again, please? 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 505.86 506.47 Um. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 504.89 505.84 Yep. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 502.62 503.03 Mm. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 503.03 504.89 Oh yep, sorry. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 508.3 513.02 Uh d d d okay, I mean uh inevitably a b a custom design chip is gonna be more expensive. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 513.02 515.41 Do we do we know uh by how much? 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 512.94 513.16 Mm. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 514.66 518.77 Um I don't actually have any price information, no. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 518.39 522.48 And and do we know how long it'll take to uh develop a a custom chip. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 533.95 539.03 uh so it would uh it's hard to predict the time. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 526.21 531 Oh w yeah, we did the the problem is the the the voice technology is not really highly developed 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 531 533.95 it's sort of still still in an ex experimental form 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 522.86 526.21 Um it a lot longer than an off the shelf chip. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 530.29 532.1 Right, okay. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 537.99 542.15 Right, I think we need to make a a decision here. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 546.85 554.88 that would appear to uh effectively constrain us to an existing chip and thus therefore conventional button technology. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 542.15 546.85 Uh given that the company wants this on the market quickly and cheaply 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 545.91 546.04 Mm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 556.02 561.41 Um uh now before we go round everybody else, does anybody um 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 562.76 563.36 I 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 562.8 565.45 h have any have anyti ha anything to say about that? 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 586.6 591.25 as your favourite, it's like to have a certain number of favourites um and that w 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 578.25 586.6 nine channels and then just use the voice recognition to say channel one and then you've programmed in say B. B. C. four as your channel one,
ES2012c H02 FEE047 567.19 571.3 Um does it make a difference if there are just a few commands,
ES2012c H02 FEE047 565.72 567.19 I just have a question about that. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 571.3 578.25 for example if you um can pre-programme in like numbers one through ten and pre-programme say, you know 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 590.2 594.29 W just to to incorporate the voice activation in it is is sorta the trick. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 598.62 603.45 but to actually the the big step is to actually get the voice activation chips in there and working. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 594.29 598.62 Once you've got the whole voice chip in there, then it's pretty much the the world the the sky is your limit 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 595.74 596.71 Then it doesn't matter. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 596.71 597.29 Okay. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 594.35 595.74 Okay. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 601.48 602 Okay. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 612.99 619.42 So uh um I mean I d d for slightly different well no, I mean, it's if you you 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 604.66 612.99 Cause uh I must say I find it slightly surprising given that, you know, mobile phones incorporate voice activated dialling. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 613.58 613.66 Yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 623.77 633.04 so uh bu I mean the this this information is from is this is the internal company information, is it? 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 620.53 623.77 speak somebody's name and it'll dial the number for you,
ES2012c H01 FEE046 632.04 633.58 Uh bits of it, yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 634.8 635.47 So uh 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 635.07 640.32 Of course mobile phones do tend to be more expensive, you know, hundred and fifty pounds or something. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 637.55 638.27 Yes, as well. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 641.97 646.29 As opposed to the twenty Euros, twenty five Euros. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 642.63 650.04 Yeah, mm true, again but if it's without any without any uh p price informations that's uh difficult to uh 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 651.58 652.64 uh decide. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 652.07 656.15 Also lots of mobile phones have got a lot of technology in them, not just that, so. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 652.25 652.66 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 654.9 655.23 Mm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 665.07 665.76 Um. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 656.67 663.1 It's like it's it's you can't 'cause mobile phones are expensive, you can't say it's the voice recognition bit that is. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 663.1 665.07 But we don't know. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 655.44 656.67 Yeah, that's that's right. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 661.16 661.84 Yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 667.64 668.63 I mean uh 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 669.84 677.14 I su i I mean if given that the um the technology is not well developed and and given that it's it's never been done before,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 677.14 679.48 um th th the double risk, 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 690.7 691.26 Um. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 680.78 690.7 uh perhaps we ought to uh stick to uh to buttons, since the last thing we want to do is present a product that doesn't work. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 695.08 695.46 Thoughts? 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 701.87 704.3 Well, another thought I oh, sorry, go ahead. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 702.09 702.48 Would 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 704.37 705.85 Oh I was just gonna say mayb maybe it sh 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 706.82 707.4 like um 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 708.93 711.76 maybe we can like cut corners somewhere else to bring in over cost. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 712.92 717.67 I mean do w do we think that the voice technology is fundamental to the project? 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 729.82 736.71 but I don't know that the uh the upper echelons of the company would necessarily agree with that, so I think you have to 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 726.92 729.82 so I th I think in in our in our minds it's it's fundamental,
ES2012c H01 FEE046 721.57 726.92 Uh it's fundament well I mean I guess it it's something we've discussed uh since the the sort of the beginning 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 735.99 736.75 I mean I think we 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 835.27 836.2 Oh yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 845.2 845.55 Mm. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 845.35 845.56 Hm. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 849.16 849.61 Okay. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 851.17 855.9 Well, I kinda think if we're gonna have the voice recognition for part of it, then maybe we should have it for the whole thing. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 856.08 858.7 Yeah, I I I I I think that's uh 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 856.93 857.03 Mm. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 860.02 863.32 Anyway, I'm I'm incli kinda inclined to say that we should just go for it. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 858.64 860.02 And we've been talking about it the whole time. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 859.71 860.42 Mm, mm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 859.72 860.48 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 862.6 863.71 Mm, right, okay. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 863.41 863.65 Mm. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 863.9 870.05 Uh yeah, it's the second most important aspect to users that the device should be technologically innovative. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 870.89 871.34 Yeah. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 871.99 874.74 From uh my presentation show, so. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 874.74 876.27 Uh technologically innovative. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 873.19 874.51 Yeah, it should be 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 876.45 877.88 Right, okay, so. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 879.98 880.06 Mm. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 878.46 879.98 No, that sounds good. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 879.03 879.64 Fine. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 891.82 898.63 do we need the five buttons for channel change, up down, volume up down and on off 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 898.63 903.82 just as a a backup or just so that people can uh j j just sit there pressing buttons? 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 879.64 880.53 Okay. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 880.53 891.82 I it will have voice recognition um uh if if that means uh if that means we can't afford buttons but I mean b b second question,
ES2012c H01 FEE046 881.8 882.97 Mm. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 882.97 883.23 Cool. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 882.66 883.05 Okay. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 900.42 901.31 Um 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 901.85 902.25 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 902.36 904.53 Yeah, I I would say we do, yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 904.21 905.21 I think so. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 907.17 908.03 Right. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 919.68 922.68 Uh um ra rapidly move the cable over. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 915.93 916.32 No? 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 916.66 919.68 Shall we move rapidly on to uh Kendra? 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 916.32 916.66 Okay. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 914.42 915.93 Sorry, d did you want to say anything? 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 913.72 914.42 Okay. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 917.37 917.73 Okay. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 915.6 917.37 Uh nope, that was it, that was it. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 918.13 918.43 Okay. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 922.87 924.89 Let's see. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 931.42 931.73 Mm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 935.64 935.95 Oh good. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 938.07 939.05 Oh. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 941.52 943.03 Yes. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 950.02 950.84 Is it gonna work? 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 950.95 951.99 Yeah, it's thinking about it. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 951.05 952.5 Mm yeah, it'll get there. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 952.5 953.3 Yep. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 987.18 992.98 um different designs, and one of the things that n we need to watch out for is a V. in volume because people some 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 956.39 966.18 Okay, so I did some research on the internet and um what you know, the interf user interface are just aspects that are seen by users,
ES2012c H02 FEE047 973.38 982.34 so a lot of times they tend to look cluttered and these were just a couple examples of um different kinds that are a little bit more unusual. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 982.34 987.18 There're some special ones available, like this one right here, which is marketed towards children,
ES2012c H02 FEE047 966.18 971.93 um commands and mechanisms for the operation, and there're just kind of a variety of choices. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 971.93 973.38 Um findings 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 953.16 956.39 Okay. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 954.14 954.49 Yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 975.83 976.76 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 982.7 983.2 Mm, yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 985.08 985.51 Uh-huh. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 987.22 987.57 Alright. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1017.27 1022.68 that possibly we could use that on the sides for volume, for example, have the slide button on the side,
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1008.31 1010.41 So just kind of minimise the clutter,
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1010.41 1017.27 avoid too many buttons and also um one of the things that people have used is a slide button, like you have on a mouse,
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1004.59 1008.31 Bring a little picture of what I thought ours could look like. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1022.68 1028.28 and then you can pre-programme the channels, the voice recognition and then the voice response sample locator. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1010.01 1010.33 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1018.94 1019.16 Mm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1023.32 1024.89 Mm yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1033.84 1040.01 I mean I think the reason everybody uses pushbuttons is that they're they're si simple, cheap and reliable. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1029.28 1033.84 Well d p 'kay, do you wanna say anything about um slide controls? 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1026.36 1029.28 Sorry y y yeah, if I can interrupt you. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1031.27 1031.39 Mm. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1036.71 1037.33 Uh 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1045.55 1047.68 I think it's pretty much the same sort of connection. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1038.66 1041.08 Uh I think they're they're about the same cost really. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1047.68 1048.68 Mm yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1041.08 1045.55 I I mean, I think it's just sort of the the there's a lot of slide buttons out there. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1046.97 1048.68 Okay, fair enough, fine. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1049.75 1062.84 Just because I n for example if I'm using a mouse I like to be able to slide it up and down so I thought it might be good for volume to just be able to kind of roll it and then have the up and down and then the this is my great little drawing. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1053.76 1053.95 Mm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1054.58 1054.83 Yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1056.7 1058.11 Good, good. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1060.11 1060.45 Yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1061.7 1065.01 So three three there's three buttons on a slider. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1065.01 1067.04 Three buttons, channel up channel up down and 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1065.41 1066.83 Y yes, yes. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1065.75 1069.97 Well, if you g if you if you got a channel up down, we can have a slider in that as well. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1077.46 1080.72 if you know what I mean, up like one unit, if you see what I mean. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1069.97 1077.46 Because if it if you no if you notice on the thing it it kind of like has got kind of if you you know it s kind of like sticks,
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1080.72 1085.36 So it kinda goes up one, then y like you can keep rolling it up, but it's like like like like a cog or something. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1085.36 1086.79 So you kinda take it up one at a time. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1080.05 1080.4 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1080.49 1080.74 Mm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1084.96 1085.33 Uh-huh. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1089.11 1089.59 Um 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1087.95 1089.11 Okay. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1094.16 1097.51 and then the slider is that if you're just holding in your hand, and you pick it up,
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1088.64 1094.16 The only advantage I was thinking of to having the buttons, like the buttons on one side for the channel,
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1097.51 1101.3 it's easy to n s know, okay, this is just the volume and this is the channel. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1089.1 1089.21 D 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1094.02 1094.33 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1098.14 1098.9 Oh. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1100.49 1103.08 This one on the one side and one yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1103.08 1103.73 Okay. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1100.51 1104.27 Uh you could you could as l as like a mouse you could 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1108.75 1110.22 You'd know what you were fiddling with. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1102.21 1105.91 Ye yeah, 'cause I've definitely picked up remotes and like meant to change the channel and turn the volume,
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1105.91 1108.75 or vice versa, so it'd be kinda good to have them be feel completely different. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1104.5 1104.78 Yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1106 1106.46 Yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1106.88 1107.15 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1110.83 1111.06 Yeah. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1111.08 1113.66 Yeah, like the shape of it almost like a mouse, with a 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1111.32 1111.63 Yeah 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1111.63 1120.49 or yeah uh th th the I mean thi this is what the we have to come up with is the the actual shape that people can ins instantly pick it up and and know know uh know what it's going to do. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1111.56 1112.3 That was 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1118.22 1118.49 Mm. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1120.55 1120.85 Yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1121.94 1127.93 Okay, so we we're looking at sliders for both a uh volume and channel change 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1135.33 1135.79 We could 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1129.58 1135.33 Um well I was thinking kind of just for the volume, but what what do you guys think? 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1131.08 1132.66 of one sort. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1132.66 1133.69 Just for the volume, uh. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1133.2 1133.51 Mm. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1133.44 1133.55 Dep 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1138.91 1143.94 I dunno, it looks like you can c control the volume with your thumb, and then you could control the buttons with your fingers. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1134.72 1138.91 I dunno if it depending on the final shape of it, 'cause you could have like,
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1142.59 1144.4 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1143.19 1149.6 Yeah, 'cause if yeah, in that kinda position the fingers would be better for pressing and the that for rolling, just the way it would 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1144.33 1145.29 I mean it's it's 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1143.54 1144.33 Fingers, yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1160.99 1166.56 Right so uh that's sorry is that that all you want to say at the mo okay, fine. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1154.06 1159 um that there's no no possibility of uh confusing the two. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1159 1160.99 So okay. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1147.11 1154.06 It yeah, I mean it it it seems to me that uh it uh it al also has the advantage that it it the two are clearly different 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1147.79 1147.83 B 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1149.36 1149.8 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1153.19 1155.11 Mm yeah, yeah, yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1153.53 1153.85 Yeah. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1154.07 1154.89 Oh yeah, yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1159.3 1161.34 I'm just gonna pass this along. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1165.33 1165.81 Yes. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1167.72 1169.3 Yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1199.69 1199.85 Mm right. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1221.03 1224.29 And we got reports from Paris, Milan on new fashions. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1212.44 1221.03 The data's come off internet uh from executive summary for us on the top three things wanted by the consumer. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1206.96 1208.97 Here we go. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1208.97 1212.44 Uh yeah, this is my report on trend watching. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1208.04 1208.83 Right. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1211.15 1211.44 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1227.88 1228.88 And uh 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1230.11 1234.83 the most important aspect is the l the look it has to look fancy, look and feel 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1234.89 1235.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1236.56 1239.34 uh instead of the current functional look and feel. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1249.58 1257 So uh and the third being easy to use is probably a given, we have to try and incorporate, so uh 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1239.34 1249.58 This is a st well I was gonna say yeah twice as important as the second aspect, which is the technologically innov innovative um side of it. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1243.08 1243.53 Mm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1259.83 1264.08 Well I I mean I th I think that what we're suggesting ought to address all three of those. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1263.74 1264.94 Uh exactly, yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1264.17 1264.77 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1264.74 1265.33 Mm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1265.93 1266.78 Okay. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1271.98 1273.19 Uh yeah, sorry. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1282.61 1284.3 Uh sorry, clothes, shoes and furniture 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1269.66 1271.98 I s that out of sequence? 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1273.19 1281.2 Uh yeah, and uh from the fashion watchers from Milan and Paris have said fruit and vegetables are an important theme for clothes and furniture and shoes 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1281.2 1282.61 et cetera. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1280.88 1281.93 Oh. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1283.76 1284.17 Uh-huh. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1285.63 1286.28 and uh 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1287.54 1290.46 a spongy material to be used on the on the outside. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1290.42 1292.84 Mm I hadn't thought of that, that's different, certainly. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1292.4 1294.16 Yeah. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1294.16 1304.21 But uh I was gonna say um yeah, fruit and vegetables, uh important to this year um important to furniture, I'm just gonna say 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1292.79 1293.08 Mm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1296.76 1297.07 What? 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1312.95 1315.14 But fashions do don't last very long. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1305.6 1312.95 uh f like it's in if if fashion if we're going for the it looks fancy, then fashion is obviously the line we gotta be going through. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1311.58 1312.34 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1312 1312.33 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1317.77 1323.31 like we could have the fruit and vegetable theme this year and uh whatever happens next year, we can have the face plates, yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1315.2 1317.77 Well that can kinda tie into our changing uh face things,
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1318.49 1318.6 Mm. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1319.91 1320.39 Yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1320.34 1320.91 Yeah. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1321.92 1325.96 Yeah, we can have a sp like a spongy skin on it and then we can just whip that off and 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1324.61 1326.28 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1324.95 1325.1 Uh. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1328.86 1331.94 You know, that kind of spongy yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1326.1 1328.86 Yeah like the kind you get on like hand weights. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1329.27 1332.09 Mm, yeah, that weird I dunno what that is, but yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1330.57 1331.66 Uh. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1334.18 1334.52 Oh 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1332.18 1334.18 A kind of yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1333.14 1333.49 Mm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1334.07 1336.17 Also means you can drop it without damaging it. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1336.2 1336.54 Yeah. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1336.54 1337.36 That's c cool. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1338.29 1339.15 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1336.4 1338.29 Uh, yeah, it's good as well. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1336.75 1338.09 Yeah, that's true. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1338.86 1340.72 Um you have we could 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1345.67 1351.21 could we have uh a cheaper b cheaper power source and then just have it annually renewed? 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1341.93 1345.67 if we could save depending on the cost of the product itself, you know 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1352.75 1355.44 Instead of having a ten year guarantee? 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1355.44 1360.27 With interchangeable covers, could just buy a new one every year, a new one when new fashions come out. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1359.12 1359.5 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1360.87 1361.38 Mm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1378.62 1383.31 Um that's yes if if if they're made in sufficient quantity 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1371.68 1378.62 'cause people just bought a new one when it went out of fashion, but it's just never been seen as a a fashion item before. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1362.4 1371.68 I I mean it its uh I that's an interesting idea, it's like the old Swatch watch where uh um on only batteries ever got changed in those,
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1374.64 1374.96 Mm. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1378.27 1378.63 Yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1380.42 1380.58 Wh 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1381.17 1381.51 I 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1388.53 1391.22 because you don't feel like you're investing in a whole new product. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1383.52 1388.53 I think it's easier sometimes to have them buy changeable covers for it than to buy a whole new one 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1402.36 1409.73 Um but if we also make it cheap enough that people either change the cover every year or even buy a new one every year then it it's it's even better. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1391.16 1399.69 W I mean we we can uh uh b but I mean my feeling is that current power sources are such that for relatively little cost you can make it last,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1399.69 1402.36 you know, a long time. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1394.75 1395.09 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1396.68 1397.32 Mm. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1401.79 1401.98 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1406.59 1406.96 Mm. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1409.94 1410.11 Mm. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1410.1 1412.8 What if we included the batteries in the cover? 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1410.47 1410.92 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1415.83 1419.45 That all c also kind of encourages 'em to buy new covers and yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1413.67 1414.85 Oh yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1414.85 1415.83 I like that. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1414.35 1416.72 So um like 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1419.12 1422.38 Yeah, so can I see that thing? 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1422.38 1424.22 Just this as examples. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1421.21 1421.53 Um. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1421.53 1422.11 S 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1433.47 1437.61 whereas the advantage of having it plumbed in is that that the whole thing is all, you know,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1423.93 1433.47 I n I know the only p I mean the the the the immediate thing that comes to mind with that is that it it it y you've then got the connection and you've immediately got a sort of unreliability,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1422.7 1423.93 Yeah, yeah 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1437.61 1444.4 completely soldered together and it it it you know, total reliability, but I mean I d I I uh 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1425.61 1426.19 So f 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1433.53 1434.26 Uh yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1439.27 1440.25 Yeah, I guess that's 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1439.58 1439.86 Mm. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1441.43 1442.66 true. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1446.24 1449.32 I know what you're saying and uh understand where you're coming from. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1464.91 1465.66 And then 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1461.37 1464.91 And then this is the power source and the bit everyone sees. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1448.06 1455.68 Or well, but like uh like more than just the battery, like a complete different like you've only got like,
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1455.68 1461.37 you know like th uh this bit's the bit you keep, and this is the expensive bit, this is like the chip and this is the microphone. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1460.63 1460.93 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1493.49 1504.17 I mean they they might be well inclined to go out and spend however many Euros on a on a new one um rather than a a complete new re remote. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1471.12 1478.09 um just building the whole thing in one, then having getting cheaper production costs um and 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1478.09 1482.84 you know giving people the option of buying a new uh a a complete new thing,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1465.62 1471.12 I th I s I think if we're gonna go down that route, then we're talking about uh even if it costs slightly more than that,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1482.84 1490.58 the advantage of a replaceable cover is that even if they don't it doesn't have a cover on at all, it will still work um totally. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1490.58 1493.49 Um then if, you know, if people lose the cover 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1473.47 1475.06 Yeah, you probably are right. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1488.21 1488.5 Mm. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1488.26 1489.37 Yeah, that's true. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1489.45 1490.11 Mm. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1491.26 1492.04 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1500.31 1500.7 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1503.33 1504.42 Well that that's just it with the covers 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1504.42 1511.07 you're sort of tricking 'em into continuing to spend their money on our products without making 'em feel like they're being ripped off having to buy a new product. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1511.07 1512.29 So, yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1503.59 1503.92 Yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1510.4 1512.68 Yeah, I mean it is it's up to it's up to 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1510.74 1513.28 Yeah, just another five Euro to get 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1513.22 1513.66 Yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1526.78 1527.66 And um 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1513.51 1518.8 Yeah, it's it's up to our marketing people to to ma to ma turn it into a a fashion item. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1518.8 1526.78 Um and, you know, as as external fashions change, then we get new new covers on the market and, you know, readily available. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1515.34 1515.62 Mm. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1515.63 1515.93 Right. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1517.9 1518.56 Mm, yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1522.84 1523 Mm. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1523.7 1524.01 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1526.85 1532.32 And that's the sort of thing, once you get the mould set, you can just whip out different colours, different pictures very very quickly. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1532.32 1533.89 Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1529.85 1533.91 that's that's right, yeah, yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1536.4 1537.43 Yeah, okay. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1530.55 1536.4 Yeah, like they have for mobile phones that are just fruits and animal prints and colours. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1535.4 1535.76 Yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1539.94 1541 Um right, sorry. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1536.53 1539.94 So uh i so uh okay. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1541 1543.84 Um we hadn't finished your 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1542.9 1546.86 Um oh, don't worry it's all said, I was just gonna say uh yeah 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1546.86 1551.85 are we gonna make this as part of like like uh a part of the f like it it the fashions apply to furniture 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1551.85 1553.23 so are we gonna make this part of the furniture? 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1553.82 1562.08 It's the sort of thing that we want people to have prominent dis displayed on their um coffee table to say this says something about me. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1556.81 1557.62 Mm. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1557.62 1558.28 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1563.22 1566.15 Um this is fashionable. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1569.18 1575.82 And you know, th the the design that I've got, and and it could be a a home-made design,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1582.89 1583.5 Um, 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1566.15 1569.18 I, you know, I'm I'm I'm with it, I'm up to date. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1575.82 1582.89 um you know this says this is not just a a television remote control, this is, you know, a fashion accessory. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1563.35 1564.26 Yeah. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1564.26 1565.8 This is fashionable with 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1565.64 1565.85 Yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1593.14 1604.12 two buttons for uh channel change and one slider and basically nothing else, um w we need to decide on the just the basic shape of the thing. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1584.76 1593.14 so I mean the the the basic shape i is is what we uh I mean given that we've got you know one one on off button presumably,
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1592.13 1592.3 Mm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1621.28 1627.55 the the the the square look of most um current uh remotes and,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1604.77 1610.07 And, know whether we go down the fruit and veg route, and I don't suggest we make it look like a banana 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1612.99 1621.28 you know, curved look, you know, t to deliberately get away from the uh um uh you know 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1627.55 1632.7 you know, whether whether the you know, the the fixed part of it is the corporate yellow. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1610.07 1612.99 but um know sort of the the organic,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1632.7 1633.38 Um 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1615 1615.37 Mm. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1615.09 1615.73 Oh yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1635.01 1643.48 mm or uh 'cause there's certainly you know, the the corporate logo needs to be prominently uh displayed so that people s th looked at it and say right,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1643.48 1647.21 that's a Real Reaction remote control, I want one of those. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1652.47 1655.53 but I'd yellow seems a bit of a strong colour to make the ent like the thing no 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1658.94 1659.79 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1647.47 1652.47 I dunno that we should make the whole thing yellow I kinda thought with a you'd have like a yellow circle with the R. R. in it somewhere on it 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1655.53 1658.94 but I mean just like white or grey or black or some sort of blah colour. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1651.7 1653.21 Yeah uh the the uh or or b 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1652.08 1653.38 Yeah, like an. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1656.1 1663.73 Uh no I d I I agree, I mean we're we're we're simply it's simply required to incorporate the the the the corporate logo prominently um. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1654.18 1656.1 Yeah, I'd I'd um yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1654.64 1656.23 Yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1660.37 1660.7 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1661.03 1661.41 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1663.02 1663.2 Mm. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1663.19 1665.25 And make that a fashion symbol as well. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1663.89 1665.2 Well n 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1667.9 1675.91 I'm I've got a a Real Reaction uh remote control to go with my Real Reaction coffee maker or or whatever. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1675.91 1681.05 And uh then people, you know, people demand more Real Reaction stuff. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1665.35 1667.9 Well, th this is this is the whole point, yes, you know 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1680.33 1680.59 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1688.42 1689.53 So that, you know 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1681.48 1688.42 Well I was sort of mm kinda picturing like maybe um a shape that's almost like a mouse. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1696.66 1701.08 but that way they can have the volume on the side and then the channel buttons and 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1689.53 1696.66 when they hold it it's because a mouse is pretty comfortable to hold in your hand um maybe we could make it a slightly different shape so they could hold on to it 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1688.7 1688.99 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1687.78 1688.7 Mm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1688.08 1688.37 Yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1702.13 1702.4 Yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1700.95 1702.13 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1701.52 1701.78 Mm. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1702.14 1704.76 have the power, wherever, somewhere. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1704.33 1704.68 Yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1705.96 1707.71 I mean that was just an idea that I had. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1706.05 1707.15 I mean I've uh yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1708.46 1715.44 Oh no that well there's the sim my my idea was something a b probably you know a bit fatter than this but sort of tha that sorta shape so that you can just sort of ho hold it. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1712.39 1712.85 Yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1715.59 1716.2 Kind of a c 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1713.85 1715.59 Yeah, maybe. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1719.41 1720.4 So maybe it'd be 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1714.39 1719.41 Yeah, you'd want it narrower than a mouse though 'cause it a mouse you're kinda just resting on it, you want something you can definitely grip. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1719.2 1723.85 W it I mean well it's sort of it's it's sort of uh a a mouse, but held,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1723.85 1728 you know, so it's you sorta hold it in your hand like that, i with, you know, and fiddling with the buttons. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1720.49 1721.59 Sort of a combination. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1719.47 1720.49 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1720.96 1722.36 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1723.7 1724.08 Yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1724.65 1725.06 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1725.95 1727.79 Yeah, and fiddle around with it and press it. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1728.07 1733.64 Yeah so yeah, kind of maybe maybe a little wider than this, 'cause this is pretty comfortable to hold, and then if you had 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1733.46 1734.72 Maybe almost like a hairbrush 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1734.72 1739.46 like you could get the about the width of that end of the pen and then it widens up top and you can fiddle an yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1738.74 1742.82 And then it would have a l uh wider thing to uh have the light,
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1736.48 1738.74 Yeah, then wider up here. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1754.17 1756.14 What do you guys think about that? 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1742.82 1754.17 the infrared light at the T. V. and just kinda change channels and adjust the volume and the power could be wherever, up up the top or something. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1743.19 1743.47 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1741.27 1743.19 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1747.19 1747.57 Mm. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1752.2 1753.22 Yeah, cool. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1756.21 1756.81 Yeah, that sounds 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1756.53 1757.89 Okay, yeah, yeah. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1764.77 1768.32 I mean are we are we starting to get away from the the voice functionality of it? 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1757.71 1764.77 Um I'm just I'm suddenly realising that yeah we're discussing how much how good it's gonna be to change channels t we still can just tell it to. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1771.18 1772.73 Oh yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1771.55 1773.43 Yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1773.95 1774.85 It's a very good point. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1775.06 1776.47 It is a very good point. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1775.3 1775.61 Yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1782.03 1790.68 That um the we n we need the the manual controls and that they should be of that form, but that uh yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1776.61 1782.03 I think we d I think we decided that w we're actually going down both routes. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1781.64 1782.72 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1781.76 1782.28 Yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1788.66 1789.02 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1790 1794.96 But do you know, this shape also kind of les lend itself to to voice 'cause if you're you're holding it and you're fiddling,
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1794.96 1799.84 but you can also bring it up like that and it's microphone-esque, yeah, yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1795.46 1798.79 Then you just bring it up to your mouth and just speak to it, yeah, yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1796.96 1798.06 Yeah, and just say 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1799.15 1804.74 Yeah, maybe we cou like w like we're leaving out the buttons for the the f less frequently used stuff 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1804.74 1806.8 but maybe we could incorporate that into the voice. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1805.06 1805.6 Mm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1807.44 1814.78 I th I th honest uh my personal view is that if it's not there, people wouldn't use it anyway um. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1813.56 1819.61 Mm I suppose, but t there is the off chance that, you know, th the brightness is wrong on your T. V. or the contrast needs changing. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1819.97 1821.55 It's cer it's certainly possible I mean 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1821.55 1832.69 but they we we're going beyond w w given the state of the technology we want something that we kno we know will will work um. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1822.04 1822.2 Bu 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1823.63 1824 Mm. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1831.32 1832.08 Hmm yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1851.11 1852.64 you know, brightness and tint and stuff. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1835.44 1840.94 I mean uh if the power button was also somehow like a menu button you could press that and or do voice commands 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1840.94 1851.11 and either volume thing could also be to scroll through other options like y and you could scroll through brightness and and sc and then you can you can minimise the buttons and still have those,
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1832.36 1835.44 Well you can still i incorporate the voice with with less buttons. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1843.24 1844.25 Uh 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1845.92 1846.87 Yeah, that's a good idea. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1846.75 1848.17 Yeah, I suppose I sup 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1850.61 1850.87 Yeah. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1851.72 1852.14 Yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1852.29 1857.17 If we we're I mean I'm getting a clear message that we think that we should have those facilities available. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1857.16 1859.25 So I guess we could have a menu button as well. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1859.25 1863.71 We could have the channels and the power and then a menu button and then the volume. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1863.71 1867.8 So have four buttons and the volume instead of three buttons and the volume. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1858.11 1858.65 Yeah 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1862.31 1863.11 Yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1867.43 1868.18 Uh uh uh 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1869.6 1872.8 Okay, if we if we're going down that route, then 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1877.62 1880.16 We actually use the television, okay. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1880.16 1882.74 Okay, okay, okay. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1874.17 1876.43 we need some sort of display. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1876.43 1877.62 Do we need some sort of display? 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1882.4 1883.95 and you'd use the scroll, scroll through it yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1876.59 1882.4 But the television would be the display that things like that usually c pop up on a televi like you hit menu and menu will come up on television and have like tint brightness,
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1877.33 1878.6 Yeah, that's on the T. V., yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1879.41 1880.05 Yeah, and then y 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1886.89 1891.11 is actually a button as well, you could press it, you could press that and have it as a menu button. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1882.94 1886.89 Well I mean on a onto like a mouse, the ru the scrolling button,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1884.36 1884.72 Yep. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1888.6 1890.71 Yeah, yeah, that's true. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1889.5 1894.55 Yeah, press that is t yeah, that might work. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1894.55 1898.02 Yeah, it's like um yeah, it's like the mouse where you just kinda click it. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1898.02 1898.82 You just press it. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1892.74 1894.78 I never understood how that worked though, but yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1896.66 1898.12 Yeah, mm. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1900 1906.45 Yeah, and you could just click that to so if you had like the menu then you could scroll through and then click it to select. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1905.14 1906.35 Mm, oka yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1907.31 1907.64 Yeah. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1907.54 1908.04 Uh yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1908.01 1908.59 You know what I mean? 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1910.63 1913.65 Okay, we got five minutes to go in this meeting 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1913.65 1925.09 so um I d I think we've actually very conveniently just uh come to uh a good point to s to sum up um. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1908.97 1910.63 Mm yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 1913.01 1913.14 Okay. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1922.36 1922.99 Cool. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1927.46 1936.41 So um b b Kate and Kendra now go away and uh pa play play with a bit of Plasticine or play-dough 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1938.94 1947.08 Um and actually put what we've discussed into something uh I was gonna say concrete 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1947.08 1965.17 but that's a slightly inappropriate word um to something that we can we can see and um Andrew n can go away and th th think about how we can uh actually market this as a concept and not j not just a uh um a a simple remote control. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1936.41 1938.94 whatever it is on the other side of the Atlantic. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1932.84 1936.46 Play with play-dough. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1938.86 1938.95 Hmm. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1966.16 1968.86 Uh can I just get some things clear just for my sake. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1968.86 1970.75 Our energy source is gonna be 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1967.89 1969.14 Yeah, certainly, of course. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1976.99 1984.45 manufacturing and uh maintenance that we will go for a a long term battery source um,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1971.52 1976.99 I think I think we decided that we're gonna for for simplicity of, you know 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1989.77 2011.13 then uh people are more likely to change it anyway uh before i it runs out and um make an assumption that we we can aim for a battery that will last most people for uh we'll say at least five five ten years and that we'll w we will guarantee it for for five years um. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 1984.45 1989.77 I you know, on the basis that um that, you know, if we're going for making it a fashion statement 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1971.57 1972.18 long term. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 1982.12 1982.32 Mm. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1983.9 1984.4 Uh 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 1983.05 1983.9 Cool. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 2005.02 2005.44 Yeah. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 2011.19 2012.46 And we're having a custom chip? 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2012.6 2014.1 We're having a 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2025.82 2035.66 but given that um technol technological innovation is important, then we need to, I'll say it again, technologically innovate. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2016.05 2025.82 a custom chip, but given the the we've cut the functions down, um that will hopefully not be too problematic,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2037.08 2046.35 Um and uh we we, know, we must resist any efforts to uh to try and water that down um. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 2046.87 2048.69 And interchangeable case? 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2049.33 2055.9 I i interchangeable case seems to be um um important to the concept. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2069.61 2073.08 then uh I mean uh uh this is totally new. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2073.08 2074.12 We d we don't know whether 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2061.81 2069.61 And uh i you know, i if we can come up with some way of of allowing people to actually personalise it uh to whatever they want 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2055.9 2061.81 Um it it should be cheap, you know, if if we avoid any, you know, electrical connections. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 2052.36 2052.57 Mm. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 2058.07 2058.96 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 2058.21 2058.46 Mm. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 2067.42 2067.77 Mm, mm-hmm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2082.55 2087.02 and uh and if if we can keep them, you know, rolling, then uh you know,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2087.02 2095.21 so they can get them in the supermarket when they go down to um a any of the famous supermarkets, I won't mention any mention any names 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2095.21 2101.65 um it's uh it's good for the supermarket and it's good for us and it hopefully makes them feel better. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2075.09 2082.55 that to what extent people do it or not, but if they've at least got a a good selection of um covers that they can use anyway,
ES2012c H03 MEE048 2102.44 2106.92 And uh are we gonna have it il being illuminated from inside onto the buttons or 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2107.34 2115.32 Um the that I mean that's no, because we've got so few buttons that it that actually makes that redundant. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 2115.11 2116.83 Yeah, I think so too. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 2116.83 2120.35 Yeah, and especially for making them so like different and 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 2115.27 2117.38 Mm, does actually, yeah, yeah. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 2115.92 2116.17 Cool. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 2119.56 2121.36 Mm different to feel, yeah, yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2120.07 2121.35 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2123.81 2125.98 'cause that would well that would clobber the battery life, so no,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2125.98 2131.33 I mean given the nature of the buttons we're having, it's actually uh uh unnecessary I think. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2121.35 2123.81 And the you know, that that solves one of the problems of b of battery life,
ES2012c H02 FEE047 2121.19 2121.48 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 2123.67 2124.19 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 2124.19 2125.77 Yep, yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 2125.77 2126.07 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 2123.98 2124.38 Yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 2126.21 2126.53 Yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 2131.59 2132 Yeah. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 2131.98 2132.48 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 2132.41 2136.75 Are we having it that it's any angle, or is it just 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2143.75 2153.65 anyway like you're likely to and uh it's uh you know, i i it will work most of the time um. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2135.29 2143.75 As uh as wide cer certainly wider angle than than current, so that if you're holding it, you know,
ES2012c H01 FEE046 2138.43 2139 Yeah. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 2138.96 2139.91 As wide as possible. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 2144.33 2146.21 Like this or like this. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 2144.48 2147.02 Mm yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2155.87 2160.53 Not like my my mum who points it at the ceiling and wonders why the th th the television doesn't work. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2166.53 2171.34 then sort of the the whole of the top would be the uh the infrared uh. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2162.1 2166.53 Um yeah, I mean I d I th I sorta envisaged that if if this was the the thing 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 2169.61 2171.23 Yeah, kinda like this whole 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 2169.91 2170.28 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 2171.36 2172.33 Yeah, mm. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 2172.54 2175.71 So you could use like this and it would go. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2172.55 2174.37 Um so 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 2175.33 2175.54 Mm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2176.06 2181.92 Yeah, 'cause I mean the r reality is people are they're gonna be looking at the television whilst they're using it,
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2184.4 2191.14 the they're reasonably likely to be holding it to use it, then uh then that that's the sort of coverage that we want. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2181.92 2184.4 the chances are, so if if they're holding it anyway,
ES2012c H02 FEE047 2183.28 2183.85 Yeah. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 2187.86 2188.16 Yeah. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2192.63 2198.55 Um okay, d we're all clear where we go from here. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 2195.94 2197.1 Yep. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 2196.61 2198.67 Yep, sounds good. 
ES2012c H03 MEE048 2199.12 2199.52 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012c H00 MEE045 2200.12 2204.14 Okay, so thank you very much indeed and I'll s see you all again in thirty minutes. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 2201.4 2201.77 'Kay. 
ES2012c H02 FEE047 2203.9 2204.44 Okay. 
ES2012c H01 FEE046 2204.56 2204.92 'Kay. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 8.17 8.81 Right well. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 9.94 17.44 Welcome to the what should be the last of these meetings and uh it looks like we've uh done a good job here and uh 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 18.69 24.17 we'll just go through the the final uh the final details. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 24.17 28.06 Um okay, oh the um 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 31.01 35.48 th the the minutes of the last meeting uh I think we'll take those as read, um 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 36.25 47.97 Okay the um th the the next uh thing we we we'll have a look at the uh th have a look at the prototypes and uh look at the uh evaluation criteria and finance and then uh 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 55.07 55.98 Um 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 49.02 55.07 uh just tidy up with production and um and then we can close. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 59.45 65.2 So f if if you'd like to uh present your your proposals. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 65.79 73.5 Uh okay we basically have the same kinda lay-out here it's just um you hold it like this and it gets kinda moulded to the to the shape of your hand 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 82.95 85.01 or you can hold it and and push. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 85.01 89.27 Uh this is the power key, um it's kinda like the biggest so you know how to turn on. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 78.56 82.95 on the right we have buttons for the channels up and down and that kinda so you can hold it and scroll 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 74.59 78.56 Um on the left we've got the scroll for the volume 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 73.5 74.59 basically. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 89.25 89.7 Uh-huh. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 89.76 92.04 Uh that's the little menu key. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 98.28 100.92 or if you hold it up like that it'll send it. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 107.29 120.2 Um the logo is down down there um and has the cover on it and you can see like it just kinda goes the red bit's the cover and it kinda goes over everything and then there's holes for the buttons to come through. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 120.2 120.84 Um. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 100.92 107.29 Uh we got a microphone there which for all the voice commands so you can you know talk to it like that and it'll still understand. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 92.04 98.28 This is the infra-red section so you g it'll be sending rays and if you're you know pointing it like that it can send it 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 97.95 100.84 Yep, yeah, good, good. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 104.3 105.63 Uh-huh. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 105.63 107.12 Yep, right. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 110.73 111.15 Uh-huh. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 111.72 112.33 S 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 111.32 111.72 Mm. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 117.29 119.08 Yep, yep, mm-hmm. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 124.17 132.43 just kind of a light non-descript grey so that people'll wanna buy the covers and then the covers will be that sort of rubbery material like they make iPod covers 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 132.43 133.87 so they kinda just stretch over. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 120.82 124.17 And so we figured it would be kind of you know a light weight plastic 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 124.22 124.46 Mm. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 124.88 125.69 Yep yep. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 124.44 124.88 Uh-huh. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 128.22 128.52 Yep. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 138.25 139.31 Yeah yeah. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 132.45 138.25 showing me age, I don't know what i c iPod covers are like. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 134.26 135.19 Mm. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 137.75 151.05 well I I didn't know that but yeah they're kind of it's just kind of a rubbery and that way you know spongy like is something that people wanted and it just sort of stretches over and that way I think probably helps protect it a little bit too as well and 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 137.43 137.75 Yeah 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 141.1 142.55 Uh-huh. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 142.55 145.13 Okay, yep, right. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 141.66 141.94 Yeah. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 146.66 147.84 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 150.4 155.9 But it's also e e easier to put on versus like mobile covers you actually have to screw them on and stuff and you kinda sometimes have to get someone to do that for you. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 155.9 159.25 This is very much you should be able to stretch it over yourself and it'll be fine. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 150.86 151.47 Okay. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 156.85 157.27 Yep. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 156.88 158.72 just kinda stretch it over 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 159.38 160.52 Okay, good yeah. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 159.74 169.69 and it'll just stay on and then the buttons come through and so and then the each one of 'em on the very end will have the logo with the yellow circle and the R. R. . 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 159.77 159.99 Yeah. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 161.25 161.51 Yeah. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 168.29 169.67 Yep, right. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 169.75 172.29 Li that'll be the covers as well, yeah yeah. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 171.05 171.4 Yeah. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 178.87 179.36 Right. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 172.36 178.87 I mean tha it's it's a detailed point, I just wondered I mean h how will people put these down I wonder? 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 171.09 172.36 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 178.23 178.72 Like that. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 182.91 189.52 Okay for some strange re reason I had it in my mind that they'd put them down vertically but uh uh 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 187.05 188.98 Yeah it could stand, yeah. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 188.98 193.23 Well we could broaden the broaden it out a bit so it would stand like that. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 187.85 188.94 Oh. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 201.58 204.55 but um as you say you can just make the base a little bit bigger and uh 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 192.89 201.58 uh no because particularly if they've dif if they're gonna have it as a you know as a fashion item uh I mean it it's uh it it's just I mean it's just a minor detailed point 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 191.87 192.89 Yeah 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 196.87 198.41 Yeah, standing. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 203.97 205.93 Yeah, we could just widen it out uh 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 205.52 218.08 Yeah and uh it just needs another uh another logo somewhere is is is is all it gives gives people the option and if if say if they've got them um because actually have several upon the uh 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 211.81 213.34 Mm. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 213.34 213.66 Mm. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 218.53 221.21 Could have one for your stereo, one for your D. V. player. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 220.63 225.79 Have to if we just lengthen it I guess so it comes down to the base of the hand and then flatten it out and could sit there. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 219.05 220.63 Mm, yeah, yeah. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 219.57 220.62 Yeah, well. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 219.94 220.29 Yeah. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 221.73 232.08 Yeah but that that's uh but uh no the the the overall uh the overall concept is uh yeah yeah, no no, I mean that's these uh 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 221.74 223.6 Yeah, just kind of 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 226.39 227.38 Or just make it little. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 226.87 229.27 Yeah, mm. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 230.43 231.75 Yeah. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 229.27 230.43 Yeah. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 228.93 229.98 Somewhere like that 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 231.17 232.36 so it just sort of 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 232.31 238.71 We might have to lengthen it so it kinda your hand still holds it and have it there, yeah, yeah, yeah like that, like that. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 238.71 238.9 Yeah. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 232.66 233.71 Yeah I kinda had a 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 234.5 240.53 a kinda a natural kind of a idea where it's like more of a kind of like a kinda maybe slightly like thinner,
ES2012d H03 MEE048 240.53 245.52 yeah, kinda like that kinda like a flower or a plant for the more natural kinda 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 235.59 235.98 Yeah. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 238.72 239.05 Bu 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 240.85 241.1 Yeah. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 242.88 246.27 But uh yeah but no th but the yeah the the the 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 244.09 245.39 Mm. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 247.38 251.4 The final product would actually stand up, yeah. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 247.52 251.35 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it it's uh wouldn't wouldn't do that, indeed yeah. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 265.48 269.77 Um, so good that's that that's excellent. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 251.35 255.44 But th th but th yeah th b the these were all minor minor uh minor details 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 269.77 273.43 Um right let us um 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 255.44 265.48 I think the uh the basic concept i i is is absolutely bang on and the i it certainly meets our criteria of being uh of you know looking different. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 248.84 249.6 fall over. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 251.12 251.4 Yeah. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 253.86 254.99 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 254.2 254.59 Yeah. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 257.25 257.87 Yeah. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 257.66 258.58 'S a little longer. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 260.23 261.37 Wee 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 263.08 263.38 Mm. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 265.08 265.37 Yeah. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 277.98 279.95 Oh right yes, let's have a look at the um 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 276.14 277.98 What's on the next one? 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 282.77 284.14 f finance. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 284.14 285.43 Um, now 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 289.52 293.13 we're given a a clear design brief, uh 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 299.18 301.8 if I get the uh spreadsheet up. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 303.36 303.44 Oh. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 310 311.26 Uh yeah, just click there. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 312.72 313.12 Uh the 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 313.64 315.1 the maximise button. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 315.75 316.92 Oh right. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 316.92 317.23 Ah. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 319.52 324.7 Good, this is why we need to make these things simple so that the uh the the the boss can understand. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 348.55 352.44 then that is not a special colour, that's a that's a standard colour. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 343.84 348.55 um I wouldn't know for in for instance if if they require us to have it in the corporate colours,
ES2012d H00 MEE045 324.7 343.84 Now I've um this is the company's uh uh costing for for various uh uh aspects of design and I I I've treated some of these slightly uh liberally given the constraints placed on us 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 352.44 360.2 Uh, so we're just simply on batteries, the the one th the one decision I've had to make is that um 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 376.56 388.07 The uh the the voice sensor is is expensive but we we made a a basic decision that that was absolutely fundamental to the to the design so that that has to stay. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 388.07 395.15 Um then again the the the the shape of the case means that it's it's expensive to uh um 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 372.53 376.56 um that I don't think is a a serious problem. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 361.14 372.53 we're we will have to find a s a regular standard chip to to do this with and I I um I'm I'm I'm certain that they they are around so 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 407.94 423.79 Um it's simply made of plastic so th that's uh that's no problem and uh um just because the whole the colour of the the whole thing that's uh uh there's some cost there. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 423.79 425.68 Um and uh 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 396.47 407.94 l to make 'cause of the the th the double curves but on the other hand because of our overall fashion concept um we we should exceed the the sales targets. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 427.34 433.17 we haven't actually got a scroll wheel we we we got push buttons and and a simple uh um 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 446.31 468.99 Anyway the the costings uh come in at exactly on target at twelve point five uh but I thi I think we have a a very strong case to argue that uh what what we've got is is so in innovative and uh and different that um any any slight compromise we have to make on on cost is is offset by the uh you know the 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 434.27 446.31 slider so um and the and the the buttons are uh uh well I do don't know that they're special colour. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 470.67 493.72 uh you know the the the the concept of it being a a fashion accessory and and having the the interchangeable covers so uh um you know the if if if the management expect us to be techno again fail again technologically innovative um that they they have to accept that we we can't operate absolutely within uh the constraints that they give 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 508.42 509.59 Um. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 493.72 508.42 so uh we we we present this as the uh the company's uh the the company's way forward and uh uh I I think we can argue that we we have uh come in on on budget. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 471.38 471.61 Mm. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 491.6 491.87 Mm. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 512.19 515.6 Okay, uh. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 517.55 518.96 So um. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 521.16 525.61 Does anybody want to uh uh Andrew do you want what do you want to say about um 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 527.76 533.09 the uh yeah the evaluation where where you know well where where we're where where we're at? 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 528.29 528.84 Evaluation. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 533.91 536.82 The the product or the project? 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 535.91 538.25 The the the well the I meant the product. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 538.41 542.86 Um, well well my presentation just now? 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 542.86 544.17 Sure, uh can I get the 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 544.19 546.22 Oh sorry yeah um, mm. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 542.28 544.19 Yeah. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 548.65 548.98 Cheers. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 549.06 551.55 Mm. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 553.94 556.54 More loud clicks in the microphone. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 569.55 570.65 There we go, oh. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 573.14 580.19 Method of evaluation testing the product was to just if it met all the criteria all the conditions that we set out to 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 586.25 586.62 So 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 582.21 586.25 set out to solve, from the point of view of the the consumer and the management. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 587.91 591.39 what I've been asked to do is, on the whiteboard 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 593.28 594.25 um gauge 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 595.01 599.2 our team response to these questions. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 599.2 605.12 So, on a scale of one to seven, one being true and seven being being false. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 604.73 607.66 Seven being a nice round number to work to. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 607.02 607.98 Yeah. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 609.16 610.9 And then at the end just take an average 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 611.72 611.94 Tr 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 612.3 614.73 On for true and seven for flase. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 616.59 619.95 Yes. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 617.2 617.41 Yes. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 627.72 629.26 So uh. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 639.91 642.76 Is the device f flashy and fashionable? 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 637.31 639.91 So, look at these questions. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 643.74 645.41 Well I think most definitely. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 644.25 646.8 Yeah I'd say definitely a one yeah. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 644.27 645.61 I think it is yeah. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 648.35 652.61 So uh and also uh technologically innovative? 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 652.9 655.39 Yes the voice technology indeed. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 653.25 655.19 Yeah, defi yeah, yeah 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 653.49 653.9 Yeah. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 658.9 659.57 Easy to use? 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 660.05 662.24 I don't see we could've made it any easier. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 660.35 660.86 Yeah. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 660.72 661.2 Yeah. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 667.71 669.26 That was um 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 665.79 667.71 Uh suitable for the consumer? 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 668.33 669.28 Totally. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 668.84 669.88 Yeah definitely. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 669.4 672.38 Yeah I think it made we met all of the consumer 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 673.03 673.36 Yeah. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 673.71 673.83 Yeah. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 675.22 675.84 wants. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 676.62 678.38 Uh is it complicated? 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 678.07 678.3 No. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 678.36 678.76 No. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 682.55 683.48 Uh functional? 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 680.15 682.55 Doing pretty well so far aren't we? 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 683.94 684.21 Yeah. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 684 685.29 Yeah definitely. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 684.2 684.5 Yeah. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 687.98 688.53 Um. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 689.46 691.31 Where are we? 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 691.34 694.03 found easily. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 694.03 696.73 yeah I mean that's that's 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 693.72 697.38 We've b built in the the speech, where are you, function. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 694.72 695.11 Yeah. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 696.59 697.52 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 696.29 696.59 Yeah. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 696.8 697.29 Yeah. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 697.16 697.88 Yeah. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 699.01 699.37 Uh-huh. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 701.25 702.95 Does it take long to learn to use? 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 702.95 703.38 Shouldn't. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 703.57 704.85 No, not at all. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 704.1 704.36 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 709.49 712.07 The R. S. I. compares to the current standards, well. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 706.76 709.49 And uh, what else? 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 711.38 713.3 Less buttons so it must be. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 712.1 712.67 Uh 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 713.14 716.66 We we uh yeah it was our it was a we made an actual effort to 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 713.68 718.48 Yeah it is sorta the the handle more ergonomically correct as well. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 718.69 719.2 Yeah. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 718.72 720.05 yeah. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 719.37 720.96 So yeah, um um. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 723.61 726.48 Um will device appeal to all age groups? 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 726.52 735.21 I think it will because I mean uh old older people who can't manage the buttons anyway will actually probably like the like like the voice bit so 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 727.12 727.74 Mm. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 727.5 728.37 I think so. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 734.48 741.7 Well we had the we had the data saying that old people will be less likely to pay extra money but the funct the increased functionality 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 731.73 734.48 Yeah, uh that's a good call, yeah. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 741.7 743.97 the e ease of use of the device might make up for that. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 732.67 733 Mm. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 744.29 744.53 Mm. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 744.66 747.34 And it's it's it's well I don't think we're actually 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 749.01 752.04 charging a particular premium anyway, in the end, so 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 759.74 763.5 but um I think it should still appeal on a certain level to everybody, yeah. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 751.23 759.74 I I I think it will tend to appeal more to younger aged groups just 'cause we have gone with the fashion focus and the younger people tend to would be more conscious of that aspect of it,
ES2012d H03 MEE048 751.27 751.55 Mm. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 751.88 752.29 Yeah. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 756.19 756.7 Yeah. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 755.5 756.19 Yeah. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 761.94 768.88 It will appeal f for dif for different reasons but it's it's uh yeah yeah so I I yeah I 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 763.69 766.6 Yeah I think just the simplicity of it and 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 763.91 765.07 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 765.7 766.31 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 768.99 773.38 not having to learn to programme and not having you know a million buttons. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 770.56 773.14 Yeah. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 771.25 776.77 Yeah, so I think we can reasonably say it's another another one, why not? 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 775.53 775.79 Mm. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 777.99 781.41 Uh can you just click the my mouse to move onto next page? 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 781.41 785.43 Uh, yeah and what h did we make the management's 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 783.62 794.87 in in in in my interpretation of management's instructions uh is that yes it it meets the requirement is t it's television only, it's it's simple to use,
ES2012d H00 MEE045 794.87 806.94 um it's it's it's within budget, um I it's uh yes an an any minor points we we we argue. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 791.72 791.87 Yep. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 792.76 793.23 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 796.2 797.5 Under the cost. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 797.29 798.52 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 798.52 798.62 Yep. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 807.78 808.36 Um. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 808.53 812.57 So uh I I think we've done an amazing job in uh 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 811.16 811.29 Yep. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 812.32 813.01 Okay. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 812.54 814.89 Well done us. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 813.51 815.21 coming up with what 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 813.93 820.87 So uh one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 820.87 826.84 Eleven divided by eleven's one so equals average of one. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 823.25 824.13 Yeah,. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 824.68 827.72 Need a need a calculator for that. 
ES2012d H03 MEE048 837.4 841.96 And that roughly concludes my evaluation of the of the product. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 840.54 841.12 Excellent. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 840.97 846.81 Okay, nick the cable back then. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 847.08 848.75 Right do um 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 846.81 847.08 Ooh. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 842.56 844.46 I mixed up the colours a little bit. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 842.78 845.12 Oh no that's 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 845.22 847.3 I think I all wrong. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 849.81 852.48 either of you want to uh say anything? 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 852.98 853.56 Uh. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 855.51 855.78 Mm. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 855.62 856.38 Mm. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 856.58 858.03 Before I uh 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 858.52 860.25 Ps I don't think so 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 868.71 873.5 seemed to discuss things pretty well and come to group consensus and 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 860.25 868.71 I mean I think we worked well together and looked really at what the consumers wanted and what we were trying to make and you know 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 860.44 860.67 No. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 862.46 862.8 Yeah. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 865.35 865.65 Yeah. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 870.76 871.02 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 878.65 886.66 I mean I think we've allowed ourselves uh as much creativity as the uh the the the product uh allows. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 886.66 894.75 Um I won't comment on leadership, uh teamwork I think we've uh I think everybody's uh worked pretty well together. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 904.49 914.36 again gi no given relatively everyday product, I think we've v very uh very effectively come up with a a new uh 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 873.44 878.65 Well that's right, I mean th this this slide here I mean the satisfaction with uh room for creativity 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 894.75 904.49 Um we've just about coped with the whiteboard and digital pens, uh I think the results speak for itself and new ideas found, um,
ES2012d H01 FEE046 878.35 879.01 Mm. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 879.01 879.91 Yeah, definitely. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 884.35 884.69 Yeah. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 891.59 892.37 Mm-hmm. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 899.93 900.32 Mm. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 910.26 910.64 Yeah. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 911.01 911.18 Yep. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 920.57 920.94 Yes. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 922.39 927.59 We're we're all happy that it it meets all the criteria, um 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 916.48 918.73 uh a new approach. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 920.94 922.39 Is the project evaluated? 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 918.73 920.57 Um are the costs within budget? 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 922.61 922.83 Yep. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 940.03 942.36 So I call the meeting closed. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 931.96 940.03 Thank you very much indeed, I think that I think that's uh I think we can go f for an early bath. 
ES2012d H01 FEE046 933.09 936.43 Cool, thank you, 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 933.57 934.31 Alright. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 936.18 936.47 Yeah. 
ES2012d H02 FEE047 942.73 943.37 Okay. 
ES2012d H00 MEE045 945.96 948.01 Not sure how far ahead of schedule we were there. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 22.78 23.58 Is this okay? 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 27.56 30.28 Uh yeah. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 30.28 31.93 Fine now. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 47.43 50.73 Oh, it's not liking us, it went that-a-way. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 54.1 56.32 Computer adjusting. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 56.32 56.64 Oh. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 61.99 62.13 Uh. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 80.98 81.61 So. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 79.34 80.98 Okay. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 88.5 89.04 Right. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 99 99.93 You ready back there? 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 104.45 105.56 Uh okay. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 108.64 111.88 Um this is the kick-off meeting for the day. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 107.09 108.64 Welcome everyone. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 111.88 119.38 Um we're the new group uh to create a new remote control for Real Reaction. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 127.87 137.08 um have a little training on tools, uh create a plan, discuss things and and we only have twenty minut twenty five minutes total. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 120.98 127.87 As you can see our agenda is to open up the meeting, um become acquainted with each other,
ES2013a H00 FEE049 139.05 140.01 Okay. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 163.65 174.89 Okay, so we'll have a functional design individual work um with meeting and then conceptual design t and then detailed design. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 145.93 149.37 That, Steph, is your part, is the user-friendliness. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 160.53 163.65 Um and we'll get on with it. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 149.37 153.36 The originality um is gonna take all of us. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 153.36 160.53 Um the trendiness we'll probably go look at for some marketing research information from you, Sarah. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 140.01 145.93 The new remote control is to be original, trendy and user-friendly. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 176.55 178.92 Okay? 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 183.96 190.79 Kate, why don't you try it first, if you can either bring your things with you, I guess 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 180.79 183.96 Everybody's supposed to try out the whiteboard. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 178.92 180.79 Right. 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 188.01 191.37 Uh yeah, if I can pick up with all these bits and pieces, hang on. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 191.76 199.59 And while you're doing that we'll try and figure out how to hook these things on as well, 'cause we're all gonna have to be able to walk around. 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 208.55 215.79 Uh right, so you want an animal and the characteristics of that animal. 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 215.79 222.3 Do you have to be able to recognise what animal it is? 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 222.3 223.32 Um 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 217.81 221.76 Uh I do not think so, I think it's just to try out the whiteboard. 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 230.19 232.44 Are we all gonna draw a cat? 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 232.38 236.87 Only animal I could thin I could draw. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 232.66 233.15 I know. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 232.76 238.2 Ah. 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 245.44 248.16 You can tell it's not a bunny rabbit by the ears. 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 248.16 251.8 Um I suppose it should have a mouth as well, sort of 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 242.26 245.44 Its a sort of bunny rabbit cat. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 247.91 248.12 Uh-huh. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 252.04 252.41 Okay. 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 253.07 254.71 Right, yeah. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 254.6 255.47 Great. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 255.47 257.13 And the characteristics? 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 264.08 265.71 In fact, I'll give it some more 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 255.75 264.08 Um the favourite characteristics of the cat um the whiskers I think, um because they're the easiest to draw. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 263.62 263.93 Uh-huh. 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 268.36 269.32 Oh, and the tail 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 268.52 268.94 Okay. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 272.72 274.54 Fantastic. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 274.54 278.14 Since you're handy as well, why don't you do yours next, Steph. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 285.45 287.66 I think it's to get us used to using the pen. 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 289.61 292.48 Um sure it's not to test our artistic 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 287.63 289.61 Yes. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 292.81 294.93 Uh no. 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 299.25 300.19 It's a mouse. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 299.74 300.37 A mouse-y? 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 300.83 302 That's not a mouse-y, no. 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 302.16 303.29 No it's not a mouse. 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 306.73 308.2 It's a wombat. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 307.45 307.66 Oh. 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 315.58 316.45 It's a ratty. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 318.45 318.7 Rat. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 317.16 318.45 Argh. 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 317.83 318.16 A what? 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 318.39 319.23 A ratty. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 320.23 321.36 Not a mouse, a rat. 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 321.92 328.42 Webbed f Oh right. 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 320.63 321.92 A webbed foot. 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 322.3 323.55 It's clothes. 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 323.55 324.77 That's it's clothes. 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 326.2 328.2 It's a ratty with a with a with a very long tail. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 330.7 333.77 And your favourite characteristics of that animal. 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 331.6 332.69 I love whiskers. 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 334.18 338.57 Uh they're intelligent and they're cheeky and 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 344.07 349.04 And they sit on your shoulder and whisper the answers to your homework in your ear when you're doing your homework. 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 340.16 344.07 uh fantastic pets and very friendly. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 341.97 342.92 Oh. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 344.1 344.43 Kate? 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 342.92 344.1 Okay. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 353.16 353.64 Thanks. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 379.44 380.41 Oh, a fish. 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 381.83 383.45 Gosh, why didn't I think of fish? 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 383.45 387.23 That's even easier to draw than cat. 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 381.89 382.51 A shark? 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 387.48 391.52 Mm this is very representational fish. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 391.52 401.91 Um I like them because they're sleek and they have a lot of freedom but they also do n uh swim in groups, so. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 390.34 391.2 Oh, okay. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 391.2 391.83 Fine. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 392.85 394.2 Favourite characteristics? 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 401.76 401.91 'Kay. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 403.09 407.14 So they have team elements. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 403.17 404.57 Do you have a favourite one? 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 411.27 412.94 I'm afraid I'm with Steph. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 414.72 417.6 And I think your pen's running out of whatever. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 419.5 429.04 But I'm afraid I take the coward's way out, and the cat's looking the other way. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 429.04 429.99 He's hiding. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 437.58 444.46 Uh and they can mm decide for themselves what is best. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 431.28 435.23 Um cats are sometimes very independent. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 435.23 437.58 My parents had cats. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 451.09 451.84 Okay. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 495.48 501.13 Um the production is to only cost twelve and a half Euros per item. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 486.49 495.48 a hundred million of them um to make twenty five Euros on each one and to make a total profit of fifty million. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 469.88 475.53 with a profit aim ultimately of fifty million Euros. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 475.53 483.71 That tells you something about how many um we have to sell on an international scale. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 483.71 486.49 Um would be an awful lot of these, would be like what 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 454.08 469.88 Now um we have to get down to the nitty-gritty of how to make this and this remote control has to be sold um we're to sell it for twenty five Euros 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 503.48 511.62 Now if they cost twelve and a half, you're selling it for twenty five, you're making twelve and a half Euros each. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 511.62 518.48 Um and we're to make a profit of fifty million, that's t uh can you do the maths and how many are we selling? 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 521.11 523.07 I was just wondering if that's the um 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 518.78 521.11 Uh yeah. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 524.16 527.02 If fifty percent is normal 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 527.76 528.66 Mark-up? 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 528.37 528.91 B yeah. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 528.91 530.95 Um I would think would be more like sixty percent. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 534.78 536.62 One hundred, fifty percent. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 531.82 534.78 But um let me I have two thoughts. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 532.95 533.46 Okay. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 538.24 540.73 And and your question is how many do we have to sell? 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 541.05 548.99 Yes, 'cause our market um is international and your problem is has to do with marketing of you know 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 548.99 556.15 you gotta know how many we're going to be selling to know how big a market you have to target and who is that. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 551.08 551.91 At twenty five. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 554.66 555.07 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 556.78 558.51 Yeah, that's um 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 560 561.91 To give you a pretty good idea of where you're looking. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 561.88 563.28 So that's four million of them? 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 563.77 564.94 Something like that? 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 566.89 567.32 Okay. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 567.76 568.01 Yeah. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 569.79 572.41 That's fifty million Euros. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 572.41 578.24 In order to make fifty million Euros, and you're only getting twelve and a half each 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 572.48 573.39 And if we make 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 578.69 579.07 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 580.77 582.79 That's a lot of selling. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 584.12 584.29 Yeah. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 584.4 585.74 Two four 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 586.79 587.42 Four million. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 590.44 591.71 You'd have to sell four million. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 587.38 590.44 To be fifty, be four million. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 592.1 592.24 Hmm. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 593.71 594.21 Okay? 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 596.41 597.49 Right. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 603 605.07 Experience with a remote control. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 610.73 612.32 You're both nodding, all three. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 605.07 610.73 Any of you use of remote control for a television or D. V. D. or something? 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 610.71 617.45 That that that's the sorta product we're talking about, one that will work for a in a home environment, for a T. V. s and 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 610.73 611.09 Yeah. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 616.04 616.59 Well 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 618.34 623.67 I've seen some remote controls that are for more than one device at a time 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 623.67 632.55 but I also have heard about them not working well or not well co-ordinated and you wind up working with this one for thi this three and then this one over here for another. 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 643.63 647.32 But I presume this is t I presume this is just for television. 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 631.14 637.77 It is true that you always sit around you know, you're sitting on your sofa and you wanna change something, there's five different remotes 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 637.77 643.63 and one for the D. V. D. and one for the video and one for cable and one for whatever else. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 639.92 640.35 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 642.64 643.04 Y yeah. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 643.16 644.8 And they don't always talk to each other. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 647.76 648.29 Don't know. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 654.52 658.05 What would it be for and what group would be be for? 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 650.51 654.52 Are there any um ideas for the remote? 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 649.91 650.51 Okay. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 660.61 662.18 We have to think about that one. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 663.13 664.56 We could make a Hello Kitty 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 665.56 666.35 themed remote. 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 668.63 671.28 I think one in b bright colours would be good. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 671.69 674.98 We could totally go for the Japan-a-mation. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 670.68 671.69 Yeah. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 674.98 682.05 Well I mean there's also the cachet that um uh the Japanese make great products. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 682.05 685.24 Electrical their industrial design is very good. 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 671.32 676.09 I think one that works would be good. 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 685.64 690.12 I think one that doesn't have lots of superfluous functions. 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 690.12 692.61 Like I've got one at home that has 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 694.41 698.09 well, apart from the obvious, channels, channel up, channel down, volume, 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 700.31 700.61 Yeah. 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 701.01 707.12 you know, subtitles, mute, there's a lotta buttons that I've got no idea what they do, like. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 722.4 728.52 We don't need to have like the l the numbers if we also have uh uh channel up channel down. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 713.19 717.33 we tend to um go to menus and then make choices, you know,
ES2013a H03 FEE052 717.33 722.4 so if it's like an uh volume button, you know, you can go in and say mute or or volume. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 706.45 713.19 Well, that's a really good point, because I think one of the things that being somewhat computer literate,
ES2013a H00 FEE049 708.92 709.27 Okay. 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 727.16 727.58 Mm. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 729.36 729.69 Mm. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 731.02 731.89 Okay. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 731.86 735.72 We can make it smart like an iPod, you know, make everything menus. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 731.14 731.86 Mm. 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 743.47 744.65 Ooh, closing the meeting. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 745.77 746.76 Yeah. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 746.76 752.86 Um I know this sounds like it was very quick, but the 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 747.19 747.99 That was quick. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 761.48 772.14 And user, that's you S Steph, for the technical functions design, and for marketing the user requirements specification. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 772.14 778.26 I think there's going to be a lot of we have to help each other and work through this as a group,
ES2013a H00 FEE049 780.93 788.88 we like our kitty-cat and our rat and our fish, but I think we all have to like each other um to get this done. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 802.71 803.58 Do you all agree? 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 795.5 802.71 so I think a little bit of less of this and more at do will set us in good stead. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 778.26 780.93 and I think we all, you know,
ES2013a H00 FEE049 754.98 761.48 I think that's the industrial design is the first one, that's Kate, for the working design. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 788.88 795.5 Uh as it says, we're gonna get individual instructions, but uh I don't think they allowed a lot of extra time 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 756.77 757.04 Mm. 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 758.95 759.29 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013a H02 FEE051 803.93 804.14 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 804.27 804.93 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 821.15 822.32 Thank you all. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 816.35 821.15 Alright, so this is the end of the first meeting. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 806.88 816.35 Um then I don't see any reason to prolong it and f we should finish this meeting at ni right now and go into other things. 
ES2013a H00 FEE049 805.44 806.88 Alright. 
ES2013a H03 FEE052 819.14 819.41 Okay. 
ES2013a H01 FEE050 819.77 819.92 'Kay. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 3.94 6.17 Uh it fell off. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 12.07 14.09 One, two, three, four, yeah, we're ready. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 33.42 38.92 Um and I wanna welcome you all and thank you all for doing some research in between. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 20.51 22.96 Welcome to this second meeting. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 22.96 29.6 Um it's now quarter after twelve and we're given forty minutes um for this meeting. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 29.6 33.42 This is a meeting on functional design. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 19.48 20.51 Okay. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 76.14 77.01 Okay? 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 65.93 76.14 because there's I happen to have been told there were some new project requirements and we have to make some uh decision on what functions it will have. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 46.42 52.75 Um I know each of you have a presentation and um in thinking about the forty minutes,
ES2013b H00 FEE049 52.75 60.36 I thought it would take only like three minutes for the previous minutes, um each of you having about seven minutes or maybe a little more 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 39.84 46.42 Um I did took the minutes from the first meeting and I'll show them to you in a moment. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 60.36 65.93 maybe a little less for your pre presentations and a little discussion 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 78.12 80.4 Is this ap everybody agree with this? 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 78.66 79.09 Yes. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 78.95 79.38 Oops. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 81.31 81.66 Yes. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 92.05 99.81 um and then some more individual work and then putting minutes away and individual actions. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 99.81 106.54 Um but uh now for the minutes of the first meeting. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 81.89 83.31 Okay. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 83.31 92.05 Um and after the meeting there'll be things to be done and as you can see it says we get to get lunch 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 121.59 131.04 I opened the meeting, the product was developed uh and reviewed, and we talked about the financial end of it. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 115.11 121.59 Um Kate, Steph, Sarah and myself in our four capacities were present. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 110.52 115.11 Um as you can see it was this earlier today. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 140.69 145.08 bright colours and some of the influence of the Japanese. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 145.08 151.55 And we closed early so you could then proceed with your research and getting your reports together for tod this meeting 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 131.04 140.69 Um and it had some implications, um the four million sales target and new ideas of not too many buttons 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 107.84 110.52 And go to that one. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 152.67 156.8 Anybody have any questions on those minutes? 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 156.8 161.53 Are they complete, did they discuss everything that we covered last time? 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 163.68 163.95 'Kay. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 165.42 171.92 Uh I think so, we we we talked about the the individual roles that we each had as well. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 166.45 167.26 Did I miss something? 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 171.67 172.03 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 178.82 187.69 and we did a little bit of uh team building of uh of making the pictures, but I didn't think those were appropriate to the minutes necessarily. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 174.04 178.82 I'm afraid I incorporated that when I said who was present, but yes, we did,
ES2013b H00 FEE049 172.2 174.04 Yeah. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 187.69 193.42 So um as a group I think we've are they're accepting the minutes. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 177 177.38 Okay. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 195.16 197.21 Okay, I accept the minutes. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 195.91 198.11 And uh okay. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 198.77 200 Is that what we're supposed to say? 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 203.18 204.16 Good. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 200.05 203.18 Yeah. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 204.16 207.57 Um, then we'll move to the three presentations. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 201.14 201.64 Yeah, I do. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 208.47 209.26 Okay? 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 211.06 211.42 Okay. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 212.57 213.37 Okay. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 216.19 218.17 Mm we need to move this. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 218.17 221.96 Who wants to go f first? 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 224.39 225.75 That's as far as it goes. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 231.86 233.34 Oh it doesn't have any on, does it? 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 233.34 233.67 That's fine. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 229.02 231.86 Uh not really meant to touch those microphones. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 237.58 238.6 Excellent, thank you. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 238.34 240.23 Oy, big loop under the table. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 262.04 263.73 She said we didn't need to screw it in. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 264.11 264.54 Okay. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 267.38 268.44 Okay, that looks good. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 269.61 271.63 It's doing its thing. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 271.63 272.27 There we are. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 272.56 273.82 Alright. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 273.82 275.14 Thank you very much. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 275.14 275.94 Um. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 277.58 287.74 One of the the biggest issues I found about um from last meeting was the fact that we need to sell four million of these um 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 289.01 299.45 remote controls and I think that this is an opportunity to really take Real Reaction in the direction of of similar 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 300.5 313.66 of handheld tools that have been used and are used by many of us and to kind of bring the remote control into the si same realm as an accessible um useful electronic device 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 317.19 331.81 So um my main goal here is to re-envision the remote control in in this context and to think about menu functionality and current technology and the fact that it could be interactive with other tools. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 313.66 317.19 as opposed to something that is lost in the couch and what have you. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 331.81 339.77 Um some of the research uh in the market has shown that people really are not happy with remote controls as they are now 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 339.77 342.44 and um that means we do need to 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 362.54 374.19 the I go everywhere power and the high definition D. V. D. players although it makes immediate sense to have our remote control interact with these 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 374.19 378.72 I think we can also use this as a platform to make it interact with other tools. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 353.74 362.54 And if we devote some energy into this, I think the um recent productions of Real Reaction 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 378.72 387.6 And um in fact I think the high definition D. V. D. players and all of this will come along in the uh will only benefit from the positive feedback 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 344.18 353.74 make some decisions about what what keys or or buttons on the on the remote control to perhaps keep and and what ones to discard. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 413.74 420.54 stereo remote control users out there, eighty percent would spend more money on a remote control that looks fancy. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 388.29 390.24 from our well designed tool. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 406.31 413.74 And eighty percent of users, and if we think about this there are a lot of uh television, D. V. D. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 397.3 406.31 Um fifty percent I think of all these uh numbers the most important is fifty percent of user say they only use ten percent of the buttons. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 390.24 397.3 So again, most uh users really dislike the current look and feel of remote controls. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 421.14 424.49 Could can I ask where these figures come from, is this market research we've 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 423.44 430.36 Um it was market research and there were a hundred people in the room, so eighty out of a hundred said they would spend more money. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 430.63 433.53 Now in between, as the Project Manager 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 433.53 443.14 they sent me an email from the powers that be um that teletext is outdated um and the internet is coming in as important,
ES2013b H00 FEE049 443.14 451.79 but that they want this remote control to only be for T. V. um with incorporating the corporate image, colour and slogan. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 430.8 431.08 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 436.56 436.91 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 452.1 452.46 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 470.75 480.02 even if we directly don't um advertise for the I go everywhere line. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 480.02 487.82 So an interesting um element was the would you pay more for speech recognition question. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 487.82 499.96 So these market research uh uh questionnaires looked into your your uh concern about technology and s specifically wanted to 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 453.74 470.75 Well I think we can I I think we can really focus on this remote and and again bring the Real Reaction um brand in in and and get some positive marketing for our other tools 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 479.05 479.33 Mm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 489.91 490.31 Hmm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 501.28 503.45 find out information about speech recognition. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 504.1 504.94 Okay. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 504.96 505.51 Now 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 507.45 518.66 the early adopters, those of us who grew up with technology and uh luck lucky for us have the uh cash to to pay for it,
ES2013b H03 FEE052 518.66 529.62 the young age group without the mortgages and responsibilities, ninety one percent of them would pay more for speech recognition in a remote control. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 529.62 535.97 Very interesting, I I leave this up to the group to decide if we wanna use this uh if and you know,
ES2013b H03 FEE052 535.97 539.79 the the designers, but ninety one percent, fifteen to twenty five 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 536.16 536.51 Mm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 538.47 540.97 Is that a large enough target market to target it? 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 553.28 557.47 and uh with the technologies improving, if we can get these uh 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 548.45 553.28 I mean s three quarters of the next age group, twenty five to thirty five are interested,
ES2013b H03 FEE052 541.41 548.45 Well, I I I think especially in terms of growth, I think this would be a very smart group to target. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 558.3 566.1 In real numbers, does the ninety one percent and the seventy six percent translate to ex in excess of the four million? 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 558.32 559.97 Yeah. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 564.35 564.83 To 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 566.49 567.57 Um yes. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 567.29 568.23 Or eight million. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 569.72 579.46 But would you pay more and does it work and is it approachable and and did I know that it was it was an that's a that's a very good question. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 568.49 569.72 Yes. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 579.46 588.41 I don't know if speech recognition should be um should be included, but I think it's an interesting I think that maybe shows more about uh 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 576.34 576.86 Hmm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 578.82 579.58 Yeah. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 579.47 579.83 Um 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 584.4 584.65 Mm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 589.79 591.04 being open to technology. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 591.37 599.23 Uh it definitely needs uh a lot more research on like how much more it would be and any,
ES2013b H02 FEE051 599.23 606.01 you know, existing examples, and what reactions to them have been, and that sort of thing. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 591.7 592.15 Mm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 593.67 594.36 Shall I go back? 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 597.91 598.62 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 603.86 604.11 Yeah. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 611.21 613.01 I expect an Industrial Designer should know that,
ES2013b H01 FEE050 613.01 619.96 but if we're aiming to to build this thing for twelve Euros fifty, um is that a lot or a little? 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 604.49 611.21 How d I'm wondering how how ou how our target price compares with the the typical price of these things. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 633.04 642.46 because um there is a question about do you want an L. C. D. screen and and that wasn't responded to, but uh some of the larger 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 626.74 633.04 sussing out what other people are doing and what's in the pipeline is very very important,
ES2013b H03 FEE052 620.3 620.97 Exactly. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 620.97 626.74 I mean I I I uh did not receive any information on that, but I think the competition 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 648.24 662.19 so it turns into something uh perhaps you all have seen uh the Osbournes where Ozzy Osbourne is is attempting to manage his super entertainment system with something that looks like a uh a small tray. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 662.19 665.69 You know, it's I a and I think, you know 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 644.1 648.24 remotes do have screens where you can navigate, you know 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 661.86 666.12 Sh surely he's in the wrong age group. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 666.12 673.27 He must be w one of a s small population. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 671.57 678.11 But I think the key is to get the early adopters, people who are familiar with technology and and uh they'll be 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 668.18 671.57 No, no, you Kate, you're exactly right there. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 669.39 670.16 Mm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 678.15 682.91 But we're not looking at whether they're early adopters on that screen, that's looking at age groups. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 680.07 680.9 Uh, mm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 683.71 695.64 and I'm making and I'm making the the uh uh leap that people who are familiar younger people are l are more familiar with technology than than older people. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 695.64 698.66 Or comfortable, you know, um so 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 681.82 683.13 Exactly. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 683.13 683.71 I yes 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 687.78 689.41 Leap. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 694.72 695.07 Hmm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 696.84 697.25 Mm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 699.22 702.22 Okay, you had the other power channel. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 701.74 713.66 I think the most important thing is an attractive streamlined remote control and to be extraordinarily reductionist, power, channel, volume and everything else is is uh 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 715.66 717.05 up to the designers. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 718.84 723.15 And this is this is also supported by the market research. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 724 724.42 Okay. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 727.11 728.27 That's my contribution. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 726.22 727.11 Thank you. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 731 734.42 And we'll turn to the next presentation. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 728.88 731 Alright. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 746.21 749.69 I think she said we don't need to screw it in, just stick it in. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 751.19 753.46 And then press, what? 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 757.98 762.51 Next to the control button on the bottom, and then F. eight at the top. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 753.46 757.98 F F. N. and F. eight. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 763.03 764.05 Yeah, press them. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 763.66 765.32 And then w be patient. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 768.49 769.44 Yeah, here we go. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 770.36 770.89 Tada. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 772.83 775.49 And if you want it to go into slide show mode, it's that little button there. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 777.3 779 Can I not just uh 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 780.64 781.57 do each one in order? 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 782.47 788.11 I you can if you like, it it that that just sets it up to do a p a p no that one, that one there. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 788.08 788.75 Yay. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 786.47 788.08 There we are. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 786.59 786.77 That? 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 788.61 788.78 That? 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 791.55 793.58 And then you just press the click when you wanna go on. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 789.25 791.55 Left, left a bit, left a bit, that one, yep. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 790.27 790.47 That? 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 795.99 797.72 Right, technical functions design. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 800.94 812.18 Uh well I think first off, basically I do agree with what Sarah has defined as as uh your personal preferences,yeah. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 812.18 818.77 I think we need uh a more streamlined volume with no extraneous functions. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 825.88 829.18 And what we all need to discuss is whether we want these functions 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 820.92 825.88 So my method was to look at the existing remotes and what functions they have. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 833.92 841.31 If we can build on this with the speech recognition, that's not something I'd thought about at all, but it's also something we can discuss. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 830.49 833.92 uh pretty much the same as what existing remotes have. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 843.85 844.38 Okay. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 844.56 851.57 Um and and I presume we can miss out the functions really to to a video or D. V. D. remote control,
ES2013b H02 FEE051 851.57 856.26 if this is only gonna be a, you know, satellite, cable, T. V. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 854.13 855.16 T. V. only. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 857.62 858.89 remote control. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 858.89 862.06 So these are two models of existing remote controls. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 863.99 865.32 Uh the one on the left 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 865.84 866.85 Ugh. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 866.44 867.9 seems to be a fairly 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 872.23 877.39 It has fast-forward, stop, play, all relating to movies. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 869.73 872.23 uh standard universal remote control. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 877.39 884.86 It also has seems to have channel up and channel down, which is which is more what you'd expect from a,
ES2013b H02 FEE051 884.86 892.45 you know, like a Sky or cable remote control where you've got hundreds of channels instead of a merely terrestrial one. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 887.13 887.54 Hmm. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 894.23 898.08 Uh but I think we should be looking more along the lines of the one on the right,
ES2013b H02 FEE051 898.08 902.66 which has it also has play, stop and pause and everything, I don't think we need them at all. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 904.21 907.5 I think we just need channel selection, 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 908.89 911.21 volume up, volume down and 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 924.84 925.31 Uh 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 914.44 924.84 I think an an enter function where you can access it's not like teletext, but along the same lines, access things on the screen. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 926.36 932.87 not related to the internet one that you mentioned, because that'd be far outside our budget and what we want this to do. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 933.31 933.6 Mm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 935.45 938.03 And exceed the requirements they're expecting of us. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 935.51 945.87 So it really exceed the requirements, 'cause the requirements really are just want to be able to change channels and functions, which 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 946.92 956.5 is more a text on the screen thing than uh than actual buttons o I was thinking something some smooth,
ES2013b H02 FEE051 956.5 965.26 sleek, little remote control with big user-friendly buttons and uh a menu that you can access. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 951.52 952.06 Okay. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 959.55 960.05 Alright. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 967.25 970.24 Uh but then I do think we need to discuss the speech 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 971.6 975.13 um recognition possibility. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 976.74 978.58 Okay. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 978.58 980.77 Any uh thing else you wanna add? 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 980.77 981.33 Okay. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 979.84 980.38 No. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 982.48 984.51 But we could go back to the pictures of the 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 985.78 987.33 uh, what're they called? 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 989.8 991.44 The pictures of the remote controls 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 993.27 1000.41 and possibly discuss what we think about them, but maybe should hear what Kate has to say first. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 996.5 997.79 Or if 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 999.77 1000.16 Yeah. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1000.87 1001.93 Yeah. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1001.93 1003.64 Let's hear what Kate has to say. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1003.68 1004.29 Okay then. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1003.71 1011.7 Maybe afterwards we could do a uh whiteboard with that your the one on the right as a as a 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1012.8 1013.42 basis. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1014.53 1014.81 Hmm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1015.36 1016.07 Whiteboard session. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1018.38 1023.61 I think the white that one on the right is, as well as less cluttered, 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1023 1023.36 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1023.64 1027.64 Definitely less cluttered and I mean but still it's 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1035.47 1038.91 I I I really think we need to uh 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1028.9 1032.46 Sorry I was just I'll just uh resume something else I was gonna say. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1032.46 1035.47 The the style of these is terrible. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1029.05 1030.33 It's there but it's 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1035.44 1035.94 Yeah. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1040.23 1048.56 not only possibly even materials, like the type of plastic used, but everything including size and shape of buttons,
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1048.56 1053.85 positioning of buttons, the actual shape of the hand-held device, colours, 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1054.24 1057.51 The ergonomics, the way it fits in your 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1055.66 1062.2 just every e yeah, everything to do with this has to be revolutionised. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1056.08 1056.67 Hmm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1059.54 1059.65 Yeah. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1063.83 1064.11 But 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1068.53 1069.6 So that's that for now. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1071.38 1071.79 Cheers. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1104.89 1113.52 Okay um, now I wanna bring us down to earth again I'm afraid and talk about the actual practicalities of how the thing needs to work. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1102.05 1104.89 Still, I'll do without that. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1099.16 1102.05 Mm, I haven't actually got a display on my screen. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1101.36 1102.11 Okay. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1115.9 1123.32 Um oh and this is the methodology I used in preparing for this meeting. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1133.19 1138.75 But the the net result is that I've come up with a first cut for the working design that I'd like to discuss with you. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1123.32 1133.19 Um basically I've been doing a little bit of web-based research, and if I had a design team, I would've been discussing my ideas with 'em. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1145.77 1152.64 It's for sending a message, um typically um via infrared. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1152.64 1164.43 And the the basic components we've got to build in for our twelve Euros fifty are um an energy source, the user interface and 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1141.75 1145.77 So, let's go back to what the basic function of a remote control is. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1188.42 1190.04 I would have have hoped to um 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1178.19 1185.53 we turn that into a message, um and then we need a sending mechanism to send it to the receiver. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1185.53 1188.42 Now I would have hoped I think that's my only slide actually, yeah. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1165.72 1178.19 which will um in incorporate um an integrated circuit that actually composes the message um based on what the which buttons the user presses,
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1192.28 1197.55 do you a pretty PowerPoint slide of um my first cut design,
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1197.55 1202.82 but unfortunately the technology defeated me, so if you'll bear with me I'll do it on the whiteboard. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1207.19 1209.39 So we want an energy source 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1212.36 1214.41 which is there. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1223.29 1228.04 Uh typically it would be a battery, but I'm open to suggestions. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1228.04 1231.24 Um and 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1216.5 1218.78 And we've got to think about what that might be. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1218.78 1223.29 Uh we obviously don't want wires on this thing. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1219.19 1219.51 Hmm-mm. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1234.42 1237.45 then we have the the user interface. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1239.73 1240.45 Oops. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1246.25 1249.19 And the main components in there are the 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1257.63 1266.29 the th the chip that actually has the intelligence of the machine that translates button presses into a message, which it then 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1269.79 1274.3 transfers to some sending mechanism, which encodes it 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1292.8 1293.11 Thank you. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1288.08 1292.8 So those are the basic things that we've got to get in for our twelve Euros fifty. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1286.09 1288.08 and sends the message to the receiver. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1295.48 1295.75 Hmm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1298.89 1299.9 Okay. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1307.24 1312.65 But those things as long as we can get those components, 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1303.14 1307.24 Right. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1322.52 1324.94 What do the buttons look like? 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1330.4 1343.28 The technical end is what's actually gonna be in there, but also it has to be easy enough to change or repair if something goes wrong. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1324.94 1326.4 Uh what does it feel like? 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1326.4 1330.4 That's where the user interface is really coming into its own. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1314.36 1322.52 the block, that that rectangle for the user interface, is where the user comes in of what what does it look like? 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1329.85 1330.16 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1344.43 1351.81 For example the battery energy source or um what if the chip,
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1351.81 1357.7 for whatever reason, breaks down after a certain amount of time, do you just replace it? 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1367.82 1371.12 Um does it have to have a 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1357.7 1367.82 Um is there any um because it may be in the same area with several other user interfaces, like for D. V. D. s, movies, whatever. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1373.45 1379.34 a way of being segregated from the others, in a different frequency or something? 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1380.52 1386.17 Well I may be wrong here, but I'd been thinking of this device as being a a cheap mass-produced device. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1404.58 1409.26 but I'm not convinced we can put it into this box for the price that we need gonna need to hit. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1398.22 1402.17 you just if it goes wrong you chuck it out, and that's why I'm a bit concerned. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1386.17 1394.15 We're trying to sell four million of 'em, um that's that's, you know, that's almost one in every tenth household or whatever it is. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1394.15 1398.22 Um and I hadn't thought of it as being a reparable thing,
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1402.17 1404.58 I like the idea of speech recognition, that's a great idea 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1388.22 1388.51 Mm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1398.65 1399.37 Okay. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1409.75 1411.08 Do we have um 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1409.84 1410.05 Whoop. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1410.13 1410.45 Okay. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1412.16 1420.43 ki some idea of how much it would cost to create a device that has these basic elements? 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1420.43 1421.29 Because then 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1419.52 1422.32 Isn't that your job? 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1422.51 1426.12 Oh. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1426.53 1428.13 Oh no, the chip composer sender. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1423.44 1426.53 No, the chip composer marketing. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1423.98 1425.39 Oh right. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1431.33 1432.15 What they cost. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1428.24 1431.33 Mm. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1429.44 1429.69 Um, 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1429.45 1431.29 I I don't believe I know, um. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1430.97 1438.01 I'm I'm I'm hoping that my personal coach is gonna give me some advice on that, if you're asking me, but 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1434.44 1436.7 Okay. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1434.84 1435.27 Okay. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1436.37 1444.17 Be because then we would ha ha figure out how much we had to play with in terms of user interface and this look and feel idea. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1440.39 1440.84 Yeah. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1441.01 1441.26 Yeah. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1441.39 1441.88 Mm. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1448.6 1453.29 the which is pretty much the same as these existing models, just maybe 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1444.39 1448.6 It does it does seem as if we're just to do something really simple and mass-produced,
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1448.28 1448.85 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1453.91 1454.6 Inspired? 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1455.09 1456.74 a little bit more inspired, 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1457.78 1458.26 Mm. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1460.25 1470.49 Although what what uh suddenly came into my head is, you know how they always take two A. A. batteries which which is really not very efficient at all. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1457.99 1460.25 but basically just the same. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1481.17 1483.98 With that you could jus or a mobile phone or whatever. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1490.22 1494.32 and you don't have to worry with replacing A. A. batteries, which are 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1483.98 1490.22 You could you know, you just plug into a power source for a couple of hours, and then it's recharged for ages and ages and ages,
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1472.08 1481.17 Could it be possible to have uh, you know, like a rechargeable internal battery, like, well, like an M. P. three player does? 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1477.61 1477.89 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1482.99 1483.28 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1493.27 1502.21 Well that has another element, which is if every time you're done using the remote you put it on a charger, then you then it has a place. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1500.19 1500.38 Mm. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1501.35 1503.07 You'd never need uh batteries would y uh yeah. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1503.17 1506.46 Yeah, but it also has a place, so exactly. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1504.58 1507.83 And it's not stuck down the back of the sofa. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1507.83 1511.43 But then again I d I don't know if this is within our price range or not. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1507.21 1507.6 Mm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1511.72 1512.99 That's a really good idea. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1512.49 1519.6 Well I uh think that's a very interesting idea, but um I'm not a very good industrial designer and I don't know much about what these things cost. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1519.6 1521.55 I'll do some research for the next meeting. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1528.39 1530.89 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1521.52 1528.39 Well it's better than my idea about solar, probably. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1530.89 1531.43 Depen 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1521.56 1522.05 Okay. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1524.81 1525.97 Uh yeah. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1526.38 1529.84 Well solar may not be so good when you're watching T. V. in the night, but 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1529.78 1530.28 Mm. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1530.83 1532.71 Well it is just so annoying how 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1531.7 1533.82 It would have to sor store up the energy 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1533.59 1534.2 Mm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1534.2 1534.63 Yeah. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1534.37 1535.34 Yeah, I guess. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1535.16 1536.16 and then use it. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1536.16 1537.43 Solar can do that. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1536.93 1538.44 We may be talking quite heavy then. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1538.8 1539.29 Yeah. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1539.06 1541.53 M yeah, that would be too heavy and it'd cost too much. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1541.67 1541.93 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1542.41 1551.46 No, but just a rechargeable internal battery would probably I mean it might cost more to at first to develop and to install 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1551.46 1564.48 but for long-term use it'll be so much more convenient and economic than fiddling around trying to replace chunky A. A. batteries and not having any in your kitchen drawer and 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1550.06 1550.38 Mm-hmm 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1562.13 1562.42 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1565.63 1570.16 So do you think we might make that a selling point if it was something that we found we could afford to develop? 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1565.74 1566.15 you know f 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1570.44 1573.91 Definitely, 'cause I'm thinking in terms of um uh 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1571.4 1571.58 Mm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1574.82 1576.03 the 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1590.49 1595.11 So if you can dock it, um you know, you could s argue that this is 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1586.1 1590.49 a um a nest, a place to live, exactly. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1577.68 1586.1 loss and breakage of um remotes, how much of that is is to do with it not really having a uh a home,
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1586.58 1588.08 Mm. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1588.08 1590.61 Sort of have its little dock that you could put it in. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1587.34 1587.85 Mm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1590.42 1590.71 Yeah. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1594.2 1599.95 And the dock could look very fancy and that could be your inspiration of having it looking decent. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1596.16 1596.98 Exactly. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1598.45 1602.24 Still I don't know if it's quite within our price range. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1602.38 1602.64 Mm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1602.64 1606.12 'Cause you are talking about another component, like another piece of hardware. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1602.47 1602.86 Hmm. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1605.63 1606.04 Yeah. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1607.95 1608.66 Okay. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1606.39 1607.95 Yeah. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1608.66 1611.84 Are we agreed as to what our target group is though? 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1607.85 1608.15 Mm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1613.96 1616.53 Pretty much, so that we'd be looking for the younger end. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1614.53 1620.94 Well I I brought up some exactly, but I think you raised some good questions about are there enough of these people out there 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1623.83 1624.94 You know, these are the 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1620.94 1623.83 or are they making purchasing decisions? 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1621.69 1621.91 Mm. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1623.99 1629.03 Yeah, I was wondering that, because I ag I agree that there there're people with uh how can I put it,
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1629.03 1633.24 more money than sense and who are liable to buy something new, but 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1624.17 1624.54 Mm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1630.44 1634.17 I I s usually put more money than brains. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1630.47 1631.55 Yeah, exactly. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1646.48 1652.97 Because they probably live in a household that has a T. V. if they're at the lower end of the age range, I don't know. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1639.62 1646.48 although they they may be buying um, you know, personal music devices and all that, are they necessarily buying T. V. remote controls? 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1634.12 1639.62 Bu but what I was gonna say was,
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1634.45 1636.27 Oh oh oh I'll make a note of that, Kate. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1636.27 1638.13 Good, good comment. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1649.5 1649.92 Yeah. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1651.98 1661.18 It might be good to know um uh who, you know, who's actually buying televisions and are we in a uh uh s 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1652.46 1653.33 Yeah. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1662.48 1666.08 region where people have more than one television in a home? 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1668.27 1673.6 I mean we've gotta persuade people who've got a remote control 'cause it came with the telly that they should buy our product instead. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1665.65 1666.3 Mm. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1666.3 1668.27 I think we've got a big hill to climb here, haven't we? 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1668.63 1668.96 Yeah. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1672.06 1672.37 Mm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1674.53 1674.79 Yeah. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1678.62 1683.21 We sell to the manufacturer as the remote that goes with it. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1674.8 1675.35 Yeah. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1675.35 1678.62 Or do we s make sure that it goes to the man through the manufacturer? 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1681.07 1682.66 Yeah, yeah okay, yeah. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1679.78 1681.07 Right, good point. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1681.76 1682.05 Yeah. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1682.16 1682.54 Yeah. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1684.58 1685.32 Yeah, good point. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1683.4 1684.58 Yeah. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1683.68 1683.97 Yeah. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1684.13 1687.22 That's probably more what it is. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1685.49 1687.91 What would be a more efficient way of doing it? 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1687.73 1695.99 Yeah, and and some of our D. V. D. players incidentally have them, because we have the relationship with our own department, but moreover we need to 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1696.75 1697.22 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1696.83 1699.29 to go for the the manufacturers. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1701.62 1702.04 Right. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1700.11 1701.62 Okay. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1701.4 1704.26 We're not gonna get any resolutions by the end of the day, are we? 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1706.31 1717.66 Um the other thing that we're supposed to do is make decision on our functions. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1732.42 1741.41 It has to have big user-friendly buttons and sh n definitely we wanna be inspired that the current 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1717.66 1727.53 Our functions, we've so far decided, I think, that power, channel, volume make it attractive. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1727.53 1732.42 Um it has to have an enter key and of course the number keys. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1704.03 1706.31 Probably not. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1705.01 1705.7 Mm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1742.62 1744.18 styles are just plain awful. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1744.52 1745.17 Yeah. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1745.62 1747.87 Do we need um let me 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1749.76 1751.06 Is that agreeable to everyone? 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1750.32 1752.45 Br actually, um 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1751.2 1751.48 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1753.64 1757.31 the enter key I have a chart here that I didn't include. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1757.31 1757.93 Um 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1756.59 1757.09 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1758.85 1759.75 Do you want the gizmo? 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1759.72 1762.59 yeah, which might 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1764.29 1765.84 Throw some light on that. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1765.12 1767.4 Th yeah, th those are 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1770.46 1773.69 felt like had a lot of charts. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1774.2 1782.53 Um actually we're, you know, we are almost a half hour out of the forty minutes, so we have to get close to finishing. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1781.11 1794.68 I I my only comment is I think maybe um we could somehow include an enter key in like a power key if power power was enter and pow that was my only just really in terms of streamlining. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1780.57 1781.11 Okay 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1791.46 1791.96 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1790.04 1791.46 Ah. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1793.37 1794.01 Okay. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1797.39 1798.38 Um 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1797.78 1801.78 Enter, power as a s oh um a sum simultaneous key. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1802.64 1805 Again, you know, thinking of menus or 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1801.02 1802.64 Exactly. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1803.35 1804.45 Is that okay with you? 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1807.51 1809.67 I was re I was reading the chart to be honest. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1806.21 1807.51 Sorry, I was miles away. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1806.88 1809.77 Would that uh-huh. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1807.97 1813.71 How so so how does that work, how do you avoid switching the thing off when you actually wanna press enter? 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1807.06 1807.97 H how does that work? 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1813.92 1814.54 Um 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1837.29 1843.45 and maybe power follows something like a channel up channel down power, and then that would make that choice. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1815.62 1824.46 well if you're pressing enter, the the thing would already be on, and so maybe um when you press power, initially it turns it on 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1824.46 1837.29 press power again and use that as an enter um so you press power after you've um well I was thinking maybe you to turn it off you'd have to press power twice in succession,
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1828.99 1830.86 Then you'd have to have an off te off key. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1836.1 1837.31 Okay, yep, mm-hmm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1837.71 1838.06 Mm. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1844.56 1845.69 It's not getting a bit complicated? 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1846.79 1849.32 Could granny do this, or are we just not aiming at granny? 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1846.81 1847.38 Well 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1857.49 1860.42 Yeah, I don't um I wish. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1849.36 1850.44 Or y yeah. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1850.44 1857.49 Or something that has a a turning dial, where at the far end is on or off. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1860.42 1865.55 Anyway, uh that was the only comment about um some of the the decisions 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1854.33 1858.43 Who's got an iPod then? 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1858.45 1858.48 Mm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1863.3 1863.73 Okay. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1866.34 1868.31 people have made, what's most important. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1868.31 1870.43 It's definitely channel, volume, power. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1868.53 1868.89 Mm. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1870.45 1874.66 Yeah, things like screen settings and audio settings, I would generally 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1875.94 1879.02 do them on the actual television itself, like here you have a 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1877.51 1878.26 Exactly. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1885.22 1888.87 I I wouldn't know how to do it using a remote control, so 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1880.58 1885.22 you know, a little flap th with a little control panel on the actual box itself. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1883.04 1883.65 Exactly. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1887.94 1888.19 Yeah. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 1890.48 1893.96 um I would say that they are definitely less relevant. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1896.64 1898.01 Thanks for looking at that. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1894.73 1896.64 Okay, well. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1894.88 1895.39 Okay. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1904.29 1909.1 So I guess easy to use is the other thing that we want 'em to be able to do. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1918.08 1923.11 Um first grandchild arrived. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1909.1 1914.64 As you said, you know, don't make it too hard for the granny. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1923.11 1930.05 Um so are we agreed then of those things? 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1914.64 1918.08 I just joined that set last week. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1930.05 1935.54 And let's go back to agenda and hook me up. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1906.97 1907.34 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1908.82 1910.23 We don't wanna outsmart 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1916.04 1916.14 Hmm. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1918.2 1921.11 Congratulations. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1918.84 1920.25 Mm. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1922.48 1922.64 Uh. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1930.09 1930.26 D 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1939.32 1940.76 Mm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1942.37 1945.89 It probably won't go the first time, it'll probably be like a g mess. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1940.76 1942.37 This oughta be fun. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1951.49 1952.16 Come on. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1960.24 1961.37 Uh 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1956.98 1960.24 Uh it lost it off here. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1959.13 1959.59 Oh you're fine. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 1962.7 1963.13 It's fine. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1964.12 1966.47 No, it was up there, but I couldn't see it down here. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1979.45 1979.55 Mm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1985.57 1987 This time it should be both. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1988.13 1988.87 There we go. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1989.95 1990.53 How do you do that? 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 1990.53 1991.43 How do you make it do both? 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2011.49 2026.37 Um will be completed q questionnaire, um then we'll have some time for individual work to continue our research um and I'll put some minutes of this meeting together. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 1995.37 2005.66 Um you have to keep doing the financi the the F. N. and F. eight to five minutes to finish, thank you a lot for telling me. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2005.66 2011.49 Um right, we're ready to close. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2026.37 2031.26 Um your individual assignments are for 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 2001.99 2003.65 Ah okay, it toggles through, yeah. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 2005.51 2006.72 I think you have to cycle through. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 2007.15 2007.39 Yeah. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2032.84 2036.5 um Kate to do the components, for 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2053.28 2054.98 Okay. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2044.15 2048.62 Um and each of us will get help from our coach. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2060.89 2061.41 Okay? 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2057 2060.89 And I hope that's good enough for her to tell her that's the end. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2037.75 2044.15 you, Steph, to do the user interface and for you the trend-watching. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2048.62 2053.28 Are we agreed to get ourselves together and then have lunch? 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2054.98 2057 Then that's the end of this meeting. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 2052.3 2052.67 Yes. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 2052.97 2053.98 Sounds good. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 2061.64 2062.02 Okay. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 2062.96 2065.87 We didn't come to any sort of decision on the functions though. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2072.79 2077.34 Um that's what I went over and nobody was objecting to them. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2066.36 2072.79 Well I think I went over the functions and wrote them down and marked them. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 2071.12 2072.25 Alright, well that's fine then. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 2075.29 2075.73 Okay. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 2083.19 2086.35 because it they were it has to be for a T. V., just to keep myself 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 2077.73 2083.19 Um and you'd mentioned I I was just gonna say, could you reiterate the new project requirements,
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2083.21 2083.69 Okay. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2086.53 2093.78 Um the teletext is outdated, the internet is important 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2093.78 2099.36 it's only to be for a T. V. and it must include the corporate image,
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2099.36 2106.41 colour and slogan um which I think is more in the user uh range, with Steph. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 2089.91 2093.01 So we're still in meeting, aren't we? 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 2091.12 2093.04 Yeah, I think I've 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 2101.33 2101.77 Okay. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 2104.63 2104.89 Mm. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 2106.66 2110.19 Sorry, what what actually are these is that the yellow and black? 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2109.86 2111.35 It doesn't tell me. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 2112.48 2112.78 Mm. 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 2114.29 2115.98 From their I'll just use it from their website. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2116.42 2116.82 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013b H00 FEE049 2121.06 2121.42 Okay? 
ES2013b H02 FEE051 2121.65 2122.59 Okay. 
ES2013b H01 FEE050 2122.46 2122.71 Okay. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 2122.84 2124.17 Right. 
ES2013b H03 FEE052 2124.17 2125.08 Thank you. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 99.77 100.38 Okay. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 77.8 81.87 Um and we should each have a presentation to make. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 57.44 60.03 Okay, carry on. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 81.87 86.75 Um we have certain decisions to make and we have forty minutes total. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 86.75 99.77 It's twenty five after two at the moment, so forty minutes is five after three, um which I'll be keeping an eye on the clock for us. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 60.03 67.04 Alright um this is the beginning of the third meeting, the conceptual design meeting. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 54.47 57.44 Hi Kate. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 67.04 77.8 Um our agenda should be um that we're opening the meeting, I have the minutes from the previous meeting are on the shared f drive at this point. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 57.2 59.49 Just just carry on. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 101.6 111.04 Um there are the decisions we have to turn to, but we'll come back to them in a minute after I take us to the 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 112.82 115.95 minutes of the previous meeting. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 120.76 131.61 Right um as we remember, I opened the meeting, the four of us were present, the meeting the first meeting's minutes were reviewed and approved. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 144.15 148.74 power, channel, volume, number keys, possibly a speech recognition. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 131.61 144.15 Um Sarah, you presented a marketing research report um which pretty much rep represented that fifteen to thirty five year olds uh it has to be hand-held,
ES2013c H00 FEE049 150.38 163.81 And then Steph did a second presentation um that those functions plus streamlining them with big user-friendly keys that were easy to use. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 167.04 176.3 Kate presented a working design of going after going over the basics on the whiteboard um that it should be a simple mass-produced device 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 179.33 187.15 Um but we did talk about possibly using rechargeable batteries and having a docking place as a selling point. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 163.81 167.04 I think all of us agreed with those things. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 200.98 201.68 Um 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 176.3 179.33 because of the twelve and a half Pence cost. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 187.15 200.98 Um and the new requirements that it for be for T. V. only um and that it include the l so slogan and colour of the uh corporate design be included. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 202.73 204.06 the corporate image. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 205.66 213.86 So we agreed that the target market would be fifteen to thirty five with more money than sense, that were decision makers. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 213.86 220.53 Alternatively it would be a manufacturer to enclose it with the T. V., but it still should meet those parameters. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 220.53 232.68 Um and that the function we agreed was volume, power, numbers, enter, channels, a way to move between channels, easy to use and hand-held. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 246.43 251.74 Kate was gonna look at cost and feasibility of the various possibilities that we discussed. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 242.7 246.43 Um and Steph was gonna look at ec ergonomics. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 233.98 242.7 Um at that point we agreed that Sarah would look at the current cost of competition, what what do the current ones sell for. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 251.74 255.25 And I was to type up these minutes and work on the final report. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 256.37 261.31 Is this a fair presentation of what our last meeting was? 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 259.24 259.47 Yeah. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 262.26 262.67 Yes. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 262.73 262.99 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 263.31 263.95 Okay. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 265.73 267.44 Right. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 267.44 271.71 So we're ready to close that and go back to our 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 274.02 274.58 That one. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 277.57 279.9 We're up to the point of the 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 276.24 277.57 Right. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 281.51 282.49 Go back. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 292.52 292.98 Is that okay? 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 284.55 288.1 Um the three presentations. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 288.1 292.52 So we're going to pull the plug on me and turn to Sarah. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 294.64 296.5 Is that alright with everybody else? 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 296.5 300.64 Especially since Kate asked to be last. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 300.64 305.83 Sarah, I'm sorry if I misspelled your name, I didn't know whether it was S. A. R. A. or S. A. R. H. . 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 295.58 295.83 Yep. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 295.89 296.2 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 307.43 308.8 No worries. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 303.69 307.43 I respond to either. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 307.56 310.37 You respond to whatever you get, huh? 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 310.37 310.76 Okay. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 326.17 328.69 Um, did you do your Hit 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 328.18 329.09 Yeah, 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 329.54 330.82 Ah, there it is. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 333.96 334.48 Ta-da. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 357.73 368.66 But I think that with the current um price that we're searching for, we're well within, even on the lower end, of the uh of the market. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 333.99 342.7 Okay, first thing I want to address is um one of the points that Florence brought up, which was uh current cost of the competition devices,
ES2013c H03 FEE052 353.79 357.73 Some of them that have a higher brand recognition are on the more expensive end. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 342.7 353.79 similar to the ones that Stephanie uh showed us and and they're uh twenty to sixty Euros, depending on uh branding. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 368.66 375.07 But I'm going to move on to more interesting um more vibrant things. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 353.55 353.78 Right. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 367.78 368.25 Mm 'kay. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 376.12 385.46 So, I investigated the remote control market in greater detail, and my uh the theme of what I was to work on was uh trend watch. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 386.61 387.6 And 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 387.83 388.1 'Kay. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 389.72 395.25 Sorry. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 395.25 403.17 I'm glad to see the marketing budget is being so well spent on. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 410.95 412.41 What's hot, fruit and veg. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 400.59 410.95 I know that you all are a distance from cutting edge marketing research, so you know, I'm just gonna try to cloak it in really professional terms here. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 424.16 433.36 This is really interesting change from past years, because it is much more organic, um some would say approachable. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 413.52 415.25 Spongy. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 433.36 446.62 And I think if we're to refashion our view of what we want in a remote control, we should perhaps think about incorporating technologically interesting fabrics 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 415.25 424.16 And this is all over the catwalks, Paris, Milan, and I'm talking about clothing, furniture, shoes. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 428.57 429.04 Mm. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 447.83 451.77 and some of the bold colours into a simple 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 453.16 454 handset. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 455.83 458.2 I also did a little research on um 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 454 455.83 So. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 486.05 490.73 This is interesting, 'cause I think in the last meeting we were talking about technology as being so important,
ES2013c H03 FEE052 470.43 481.19 And f the fancy, and that's exactly the term, I'm I'm thinking polished, elegant, you know, kind of innovative, but a cut above. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 481.19 486.05 This is twice as important as the next finding, which is technologically innovative. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 459.21 467.24 what again are the most important priorities in uh decision making about uh purchasing. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 507.52 508.54 Ease of use. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 467.24 468.51 Fancy. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 490.73 507.52 but maybe what's innovative is having it simple with um with uh technologically superior fabrics or uh, you know, designed in interesting substances. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 516.77 517.24 So 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 508.54 516.77 Again, pretty low, I mean it's the top three, but each of the uh fancy and technologically innovative are far more important. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 468.51 470.43 Functional is out. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 519.22 531.98 I think we should cloak the streamlined remote control device in a series of fruit fruit themed sleeves. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 533.79 539.92 Don't you? 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 532.06 533.79 I think that's a good idea. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 533.47 535.98 Y yeah, you know 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 534.98 535.65 Yes. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 535.44 542.15 It sounds like the the uh covers that they use for the remote, you know, your t your cell phone. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 538.91 539.73 Exactly. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 541.41 543.46 Exactly. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 572.41 581.83 Um it could actually the sleeve could take up a lot of the development and the remote control, we'd just need to get reductionist on it. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 581.83 586.78 They could be interchangeable, they're spongy, that goes back to ergonomic,
ES2013c H03 FEE052 552.78 557.51 you know, it would have like fruit and veg, is that we actually make these spongy. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 591.39 594.38 So what we're talking about is changing. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 543.46 552.78 I was thinking though that instead of having something uh like patterned, you know, so, you know, something similar to a summer dress. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 557.51 568.8 They could be ini initially I thought we could start with kind of um fruit that would suit kind of uh a long uh hand-held,
ES2013c H03 FEE052 586.78 591.39 and the youngsters love 'em, fun for the whole family, everyone can have their own. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 568.8 572.41 so banana, pineapple and pear. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 553.16 553.69 Mm. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 608.33 609.56 So, this is my 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 606.38 608.33 That's what's hot on the catwalks. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 595.6 597 this concept. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 597 606.38 Everyone has a T. V. remote, but then we add in the fact that they could each have their own individual fruit. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 611.08 612.35 This is what I'm thinking. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 614.04 614.54 Hmm. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 618.01 618.59 Uh-huh mm. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 620.61 624.75 In most families, don't isn't the remote is a remote. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 639.46 648.01 the someone fifteen to thirty five would go out and get this additional thing the same way as you mentioned that people would get the cell phone covers. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 632.91 638.35 but the person who is really perhaps active in personalising 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 626.5 632.91 but I think I think what this would allow is perhaps a person in the family who had the most opinion about it we all need a remote 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 638.35 639.46 I'm thinking the teenager 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 625.48 626.5 Y yeah 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 632.98 633.27 Mm. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 651.1 656.45 going no we're gonna watch this, you can bring out your own remote and be like zap, no we're gonna watch this. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 644.91 651.1 So when your dad's sitting there, overriding your decision,
ES2013c H03 FEE052 653.18 657.21 Yeah. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 657.21 658.84 W and plus I think 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 657.72 659.18 Mm. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 659.18 665.79 Well actually some households do have three and four T. V. s and they would have a remote for each one, so. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 662.18 662.54 Uh yeah. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 663.24 663.45 Yeah. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 673.63 677.29 So I really open this up to uh any other feedback. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 666.55 673.63 So this is an idea and I I you know, this is exactly what the research has uh has shown. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 666.23 666.55 Yeah. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 677.29 680.78 This spongy fruit and veg. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 681.99 687.59 Yeah, I I think we're gonna have some trouble when we get down to the component design on this. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 687.59 689.71 Spongy is gonna be difficult, I'm afraid. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 682.31 682.75 Thanks. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 686.73 687.53 Alright. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 687.35 687.59 Yep. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 687.78 688.37 Hmm. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 689.93 692.03 And as for 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 690.47 690.95 Hmm. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 693.8 700.22 as for um well budgeting as well, if we're gonna have lots of different interchangeable 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 701.8 704.97 I I just have my ear to the market, guys. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 704.13 705.46 Is this to the market? 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 701.88 704.13 components. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 705.52 711 Yeah, I mean basically we can make these things out of wood, titanium, plastic or rubber. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 711 713.89 I suppose rubber is the closest to spongy, yeah. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 714.86 715.83 That would add 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 712.29 714.86 Is spongiest, yeah. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 715.5 717.73 I was thinking titanium myself. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 716.78 726.22 I was thinking titanium, I was thinking it's just I have been influenced by pictures of iPods, and they're also minimalist and shiny. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 722.94 723.23 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 737.01 738.6 Something else we could do is uh 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 726.16 733.79 They are and they they would fulfil the uh first um priority, which is fancy. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 733.79 737.01 I think many of us would associate those with fancy. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 740 741.71 call it something that's fruit and veg 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 745.02 746.4 We could call it uh 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 744.55 745.02 oriented. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 747.5 750.37 The name. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 747.52 755.93 Are we talking about the device itself or the c or a cover for the device that would be an interchangeable cov cover as a separate 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 757.03 757.89 product? 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 758.14 763.95 Well it would be uh a a very simple product that would have a spongy sleeve that would be interchangeable. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 763.95 764.65 So 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 763.84 774.33 Perhaps perhaps that desi that particular suggestion needs to go back to management and perhaps go to another group to actually design as a separate product. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 764.08 766.19 Yeah, but it's kind of pointless, isn't it? 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 773.01 773.47 Yeah. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 773.95 775.61 That, you know, that might be 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 775.03 777.05 Let's delegate. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 777.09 778.64 Wo would that be agreeable? 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 777.4 779.73 And then we could keep it titanium. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 784.92 791.29 because I think it would give you um maybe bring this discussion back to Earth of what we can actually physically do. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 778.78 779.5 Yeah. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 779.5 784.92 W w would it be helpful if um I described the components a bit 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 791.95 793.82 Yeah, maybe. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 793.82 794.06 Or 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 794.5 796.67 Do you wanna be next or you want Kate to go next? 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 797.84 800.76 I think possibly it might be more useful if Kate went next. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 800.88 802.43 Okay, we'll move the 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 802.53 803.4 Um 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 817.69 820.93 You can even have them in different flavours as well. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 820.93 827.06 So that if you just wanna sit there and chew on the remote, it could be like pear flavour, yeah. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 827.06 829.76 Scratch and sniff. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 824.88 826.61 Or s or smelly. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 824.45 824.88 Yeah. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 826.61 827.43 Scratchy 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 828.41 837.73 Uh well I was really thinking a lot about the I. uh the iMac kind of gel gem tone. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 837.73 839.16 It's hot on the streets, guys. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 843.57 846.56 but I'm afraid this is the real world. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 837.31 843.57 Right, well I I I think some of this um you're gonna be a little disappointed with some of the things I have to tell you 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 846.56 848.16 So um 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 886.55 893.87 This is this is the a a a remote that's been opened up and that's the the back of the interface. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 849.36 855.4 I've been looking at the the basics of how these devices actually have to work in order to operate,
ES2013c H01 FEE050 882.81 885.94 Um oh yeah, can you see my little mouse pointer? 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 882.04 882.81 No. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 861.42 866.67 you know, what the current state of the art in components is, and some of the exciting new things they've got 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 878.92 882.04 I really need a pen or something but uh does my mouse work? 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 871.1 878.92 Now this isn't a very good overhead, but this is just to show you, this is the innards of a remote control um. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 885.94 886.55 Right. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 866.67 871.1 but I'm not sure that it's quite what you want um. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 855.4 861.42 and I've had some discussions with the ma manufacturing division, who have told me what's actually available,
ES2013c H00 FEE049 885.81 885.97 Mm. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 890.97 891.33 Mm. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 894.29 898.37 And this is a push-button one, so you see these little little buttons here 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 914.04 924.04 We got to have something that pushes the little buttons that um talk to the chip that encodes the message that sends the the message to the receiver. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 907.63 914.04 Um and we that's the basic construction that we've got to got to accommodate. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 898.37 907.63 they're little rubber rubber buttons that go through onto the the board at the back and they push these buttons here. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 939.61 944.39 So first of all um I wanna talk about what possibilities we've got for the energy source. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 944.39 951.83 Um we can have your bog standard double double A. batteries in a replaceable um little compartment. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 932.94 939.61 Sarah, but um doing my presentation in the order I wrote it. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 925.46 932.94 So um I wan I wanna go through not not just addressing the um uh the the points that you made,
ES2013c H01 FEE050 978.44 984.71 where um you you actually get the energy by moving the device, which is quite a ni a nice and neat one. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 987.8 991.22 but you have to sort of throw it between your hands every now and then, it'll work. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 964.63 973.67 but i it maybe is doesn't quite go with the um the fruit and veg. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 952.15 964.63 We can have a hand sorry a wind-up, yeah, which I think is quite an interesting concept for a sorry for a remote control 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 973.67 978.44 Um one that one that I think is quite interesting is the kinetic energy source,
ES2013c H01 FEE050 984.71 987.8 You have to it means that if it's sitting there for a long time it probably won't work,
ES2013c H01 FEE050 991.22 995.19 Or we we had talked about solar power, but I thing that we agreed that that's not so good in the dark. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 953.63 955.34 A wind-up. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 973.72 974.31 Alright. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 977.27 979.22 Remember, we only have forty minutes 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 980.03 980.17 Mm. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 983.69 983.96 Hmm. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 991.06 991.25 Hmm. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 995.03 995.45 Mm. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1011.2 1015.95 Um and the nearest we've got to st to spongy there I guess is rubber, but um 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1002.75 1011.2 It can be made of plastic, rubber, wood o if you like, or titanium. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 999.01 1002.75 Now I'm afraid this is the options we've got on on the case. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1006.64 1010.47 Hmm. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1024.9 1031.4 but I think if we wanna use standard components, we're gonna have difficulty with anything much beyond that. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1017.16 1024.9 I'm gonna come back to the advantages of titanium, and basically it can have a flat surface, a curved surface or a double curved surface,
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1017.19 1017.39 Hmm. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1033.29 1033.58 Hmm. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1050.08 1053.15 change volume or channel or something like that and push to 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1046.56 1050.08 so you can have it like on a mouse where you can use it to go up and down 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1034.15 1036.47 Okay, what does the interface look like? 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1036.47 1040.38 Um well push button, that's that's the one we're all familiar with. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1040.38 1046.56 Um we can have scroll buttons and the the scroll button can incorporate a push 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1044.82 1045.11 Hmm. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1055.88 1064.07 Um you can have multiple scroll buttons, um this is maybe getting a little bit complicated, but um it's it the technology is there. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1064.07 1073.22 And we can also incorporate an L. C. D. display in the remote, but this will increase the cost. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1073.22 1078.24 Um the electronics that actually makes the device work, we've basically got three,
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1054.28 1055.88 select something. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1087.09 1090.74 All the other fancy interface designs go out the window, I'm afraid. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1096.75 1102.53 If you want the advanced chip it obviously costs more, but it that's what you need if you want the L. C. D. display. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1090.74 1096.75 Um pay a little bit more for a regular chip and you can have scroll buttons. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1078.24 1082.74 simple, regular, advanced, and the price goes up as we choose each of this. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1082.74 1087.09 If we want the nice cheap one, the simple, then we can only have push buttons. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1133.22 1138.79 um which means a flat plastic case with an ordinary battery and simple push buttons. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1138.79 1145.51 Or we can have something that looks a bit nicer, I think it, um won't necessarily l uh look like a pineapple, but um 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1129.2 1133.22 We can either go for a really cheap model, keep all of the costs down 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1126.31 1129.2 And well I I think we've got two options. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1102.97 1110.49 And the manufacturing devision tell me that they have recently developed um sample sensor sample speaker devices. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1110.49 1118.81 Now I don't know what that is, but I think they think it's quite important and we might want to incorporate it somewhere. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1118.81 1126.31 Um ou our real expertise is in push buttons, I have to say, but maybe you think that's old technology. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1124.71 1124.91 Mm. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1146.93 1151.58 that may or may not be a good thing. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1155.2 1159.63 Um but it could have an L. C. D. screen and it could have multiple scroll buttons 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1151.58 1155.2 Sorry. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1159.63 1167.78 and it could have the the company's new development of the um sample sensor and speaker. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1167.78 1168.41 So, thank you. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1169.4 1173.9 Any idea you you mentioned that there would be a cost difference. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1173.9 1183.11 Um do you have any idea if if this could if the fancy model could be done in twelve Euros fifty? 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1168.67 1169.4 That sounds good. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1183.26 1185.58 Yeah, I'm afraid I don't have that information available. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1185.58 1185.95 Um 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1187.52 1191.45 manufacturing didn't actually give attach any prices to any of this, I'm afraid. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1191.22 1191.54 Hmm. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1205.73 1210.08 You know, if if what you're telling me is is um some of these things aren't just f aren't feasible,
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1200.46 1205.73 But I think the important thing might be to choose one. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1192.72 1200.46 Because, you know what, I'm being quite serious when I say that that um the things I mentioned are hot. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1210.08 1213.23 maybe we could something about naming, we could call it, you know, Blackberry. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1192.32 1192.72 Hmm. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1205.44 1206.98 Yeah mm-hmm. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1214.35 1215.07 That's uh 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1214.48 1220.41 Bear bear in mind it has to be the colours and styles of the company 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1220.41 1228.2 so what I had been thinking was something chunky and yellow and plastic with black buttons with a logo on it. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1226.71 1228.01 Banana? 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1227.2 1229.36 Alright, well let's see then. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1229.35 1231.08 But um 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1242.32 1247.55 That's before I heard about all this hot tips about the future, fruit-wise. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1233.25 1240.04 I I don't know how important that is to keep it exactly the colours of the Real Reaction company. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1240.04 1242.32 It's just what I'd understood we'd be doing. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1236.36 1236.77 Yeah. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1241.85 1242.33 Yeah. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1246.6 1249.47 But yeah, I'm trying to streamline mine a little bit. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1253.63 1261.08 but um unfortunately I see from my notes that if we do that, we have to have a push button as the interface, we can't do anything fancier. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1247.14 1253.63 We we could we could do um a double curved rubber one, which would allow um say a banana,
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1259.2 1259.78 Yeah. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1261.88 1262.23 Hmm. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1262.11 1272.08 Shall we wait 'til I've 'til I've showed you what well, my extensive presentation on what sort of interfaces are available. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1263.51 1263.9 Yeah. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1272.65 1273.07 Mm. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1272.75 1272.94 Yep. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1275.7 1276.43 Thank you, Kate. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1277.33 1277.91 Thank you, Kate. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1279.2 1279.41 Mm. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1280.39 1284.31 You did seem to include just in more detail what I've got though. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1284.31 1286.5 So so mine's a bit pointless. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1291.53 1292.24 Right. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1293.68 1296.26 F. N. and F. eight, did you say? 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1296.09 1296.56 Yes. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1313.98 1314.39 There we go. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1315.81 1316.74 I don't have it on mine though. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1320.8 1321.76 Oh I think um 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1323.06 1324.54 Florence resolved it by 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1324.74 1329.13 I If you do F. uh F. N. F. eight again, it's it'll 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1326.25 1327.39 Do it again. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1326.31 1327.4 F. eight again. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1329.23 1336.41 Keep doing it until you get it in both you get it there, you get it yours without that one, and then you get it with both. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1332.58 1335.21 I think it yeah, you you will do an 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1345.97 1346.84 Should I do it again? 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1348.47 1348.91 Maybe. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1348.69 1348.96 Yeah. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1354.61 1356.01 This time it should come up both. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1367.94 1373.57 I don't actually have a huge amount of different information then what Kate says, just 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1365.63 1367.94 Right then. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1372.13 1372.65 Okay. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1375.25 1379.63 that my method was to look at the, well, my my inspirations,
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1379.63 1391.71 which was a big collection of lots of different models of remote controls and other things that use a similar sort of thing, including M. P. three players, uh 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1384.97 1385.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1393.6 1397.61 like you know, hi-fi remotes, not just television and these things. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1397.61 1400.67 Uh having a think about the feature of ea the features of each ones, 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1395.38 1395.61 Mm. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1402.1 1407.86 um what functions we actually need, and then how to group and arrange these on the actual 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1414.01 1419.8 Uh I've been especially interested in the iPod style scroll wheel, which 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1409.22 1414.01 the actual plastic or rubber hand-held piece. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1420.88 1425.32 Well, I couldn't find a the picture of the iPod w only linked to a web browser,
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1430.37 1439.98 It has uh scroll wheels without without a display, but they they scroll like a computer mouse. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1425.32 1430.37 so I couldn't copy and paste it, but it had a similar thing to this thing on the right. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1439.98 1443.8 So I was thinking that uh um a really simple 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1439.79 1439.92 Hmm. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1440.43 1440.65 Hmm. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1445.25 1455.26 a really simple interface with just a couple of scroll things on it um and then instead of a display the display could appear on the television screen. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1456.32 1459.11 Like I guess an existing 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1463.08 1467.61 Like, you know, you press enter and it comes up with what's showing on that channel at the moment 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1471.46 1474.98 and you scroll up and you can see what's on the other channels while you're watching 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1460.69 1463.08 Sky or cable one does. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1467.61 1471.46 and you can do you can scroll along and it'll show you what's on in the next half hour 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1476.8 1477.98 the same channel on the screen. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1479.25 1486.15 Uh but I'm also equally taken with this chunky plastic kiddie remote, 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1486.85 1487.1 Mm. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1487.57 1499.45 um which is really nice and fun and good to hold and nice, big, easy buttons to press, but still quite simple and quite cost effective. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1499.45 1499.92 So 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1502.5 1506.4 what seems kind of ideal for me would be to just have 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1531.82 1541.87 just small along the bottom instead of instead of having the iPod style display screen on the actual remotes, which is far too expensive. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1518.17 1526 probably, I was thinking, yellow and black, just because that's the company's colours, with very very few buttons,
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1509.03 1518.17 a fairly simple, uh not fancy but not totally minimalist, I mean just pretty simple plastic,
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1541.87 1546.77 And when you've got a screen sitting there in front of you, you might as well have it appearing uh on the screen in front of you 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1546.77 1549.46 it doesn't obscure much of the actual picture you're watching. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1526 1531.82 but that would correspond to a screen that would appear on the television screen, like, you know,
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1541.6 1541.84 Hmm. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1542 1542.34 Mm. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1548.96 1549.22 Yeah. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1561.67 1569.06 And uh and I definitely support uh the use of plastic and or rubber. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1577.63 1578.69 If we're k trying to keep it 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1569.06 1577.63 I mean titanium would be great, but I think it might be a bit too expensive and too kinda spacey. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1550.27 1561.67 And so on that you can, just much in the same way as an existing Sky remote, scroll along, scroll up and down. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1560.77 1562.65 Yeah, I'd I'd certainly support that idea. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1579.88 1583.74 colourful and slightly organic, then I think titanium's too 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1585.07 1586.24 futuristic. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1586.45 1593.39 It's difficult to make fancy shapes in it as well, we can't for example have a double curved case in titanium unfortunately. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1589.38 1589.7 Yeah. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1593.36 1599.21 Whereas a plastic's so cheap and easy and mouldable and everything else. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1600.88 1601.08 Hmm. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1601.46 1604.24 Uh then 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1608 1615.05 'cause um otherwise we're we're putting up the price not only for putting building the L. C. D. in, but for the electronics as well. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1603.4 1608 And the the having the the the screen on the television screen I think is a good idea,
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1615.22 1617.37 And it's a little bit pointless as well I think. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1623.71 1628.34 a menu, you go into one menu and then it can have your different options, whether you wanna change the settings or the 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1617.37 1623.71 Like when when when you've got when you've got the screen there, it doesn't have to be anything fancy, just a little menu showing yeah,
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1617.3 1618.73 It's a duplication. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1617.39 1617.94 There is that. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1628.85 1629.21 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1634.27 1637.39 I don't think that's to taxing to uh 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1630.14 1634.27 you know, your information about programme that's on at the moment. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1640.97 1641.62 Um. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1639.27 1640.97 s engineer. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1642.86 1647 But as for actually arranging them let me go back to the 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1649.09 1650.62 to the picture of the kiddie one. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1663.64 1666.78 so something a bit like that with 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1655.82 1663.64 And I quite like it, 'cause it's just smooth and hand-held and it's got these easily reachable buttons that quite nicely uh spaced out 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1668.49 1669.63 buttons arranged in a 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1672.7 1673.94 Up, down, left, right. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1671.16 1672.7 kind of circle. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1672.49 1672.83 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1674.04 1675.68 Do you want scroll buttons in that as well? 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1686.31 1686.74 you see 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1676.12 1686.31 I I was thinking not actually scroll, like a like mouse scroll, but you know, a I can't quite d uh describe it. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1688.34 1690.64 on the one on the right, down at the bottom, is the mouse. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1690.64 1696.51 Yeah, see where the mouse is, like this s style thing where you c have up, down, left and right. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1691.83 1692.11 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1696.94 1697.45 Right. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1709.11 1711.87 I'm getting a bit uh specific here. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1706.38 1709.11 it you can go into a new menu for that. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1711.87 1716.73 Really we'd have to use something to show you, but 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1698.85 1706.38 And enter in the middle, so you pick your menu and then your different options and when when you click on each one 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1713.15 1718.24 I think I think that's a g nice clean design, it's playing to our strengths which are in push button technology. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1712.6 1713.15 Yeah. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1718.97 1722.49 To uh m make it. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1723.35 1723.51 Right. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1720.53 1722.48 If I don't think I can get it up on the screen. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1722.48 1723.35 Ah here we go. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1723.92 1724.54 Oh nice. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1725.81 1727.18 Um Hmm. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1731.72 1735.66 It does scroll, but it is hugely complicated. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1735.66 1736.7 What else have we got? 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1725.9 1731.72 Well, the iPod spinning wheel is uh really complicated. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1731.25 1731.59 Huh. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1731.98 1732.27 Yeah. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1735.36 1735.69 Mm. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1738.08 1738.45 Wow. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1741.77 1744.54 But they all have this this feature of this uh 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1739.15 1741.77 Them, they're terrible. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1746.32 1749.12 It's not quite a scroll wheel, but 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1749.62 1750.69 It's a selection wheel. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1750.69 1753.95 it's a kind of selection in this circle, which I think is a really good idea. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1754.21 1757.99 But we can implement it with simple push buttons, which is much cheaper. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1756.63 1759.54 Yeah, like up, down, left and right. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1761.44 1762.65 And then and then 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1761.03 1761.44 Which is good. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1763.73 1767.48 Yeah, so I mean either a channel up and down, volume up and down, 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1770.19 1777.8 next appearing programmes up and down, uh and then also when you get into the different menus on the screen 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1777.8 1782.12 it's got your things like settings and contrast up and down. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1782.12 1785.92 So all you really need is these four buttons with the enter in the middle. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1781.32 1781.66 Okay. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1786.99 1787.28 Okay. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1788.96 1790.04 And that's it. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1792.43 1794.18 Look at look at this one. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1792.65 1793.76 In fact 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1795.8 1798.53 Oh that's really nice. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1796.83 1803.89 Almost impossible to misplace or l or lose. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1803.89 1805.78 Might take up your whole living room. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1803.01 1804.57 Do you think with um 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1814.28 1818.01 Do you think we could put it in a in a fruit colour? 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1805.44 1814.28 It seems that that uh you guys are quite keen on the plastic, perhaps the something reminiscent of the child's remote. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1819.21 1821.02 And have it abstract. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1821.02 1824.98 You know, we could call like a fruit name, but it would be a little more abstract. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1822.94 1823.28 Yeah. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1821.63 1822.94 Possibly. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1822.99 1823.17 Hmm. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1825.33 1826.17 Mm. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1826.17 1831.48 We we could actually do it in rubber instead of plastic if you'd rather if you feel if you like the spongy 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1825.95 1827.1 That also is possible. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1828.07 1828.42 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1829.58 1831.44 I'm just just throwing out ideas. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1829.62 1830.12 Just 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1830.38 1834.04 Or call it a or call it a banana and have it in yellow. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1833.15 1833.39 Hmm. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1834.24 1834.59 Yeah. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1834.59 1837.39 I'm thinking maybe we need to be a little bit more abstract if the 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1838.6 1840.85 design constraints are so 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1839.67 1840 Okay. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1840 1840.36 Yeah. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1840.56 1846.54 Uh just something else I need to bring to your attention is have you have you seen these on a remote? 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1846.54 1855.04 This is actually the volume up and down, but they both say V. on them, which, when you first look at it,
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1855.04 1862.91 you expect that to be the down, because it looks like a downward pointing arrow, but it's actually the V. to indicate that it's the volume, so 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1849.84 1850.21 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1852.21 1852.61 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1857.07 1857.37 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1857.62 1857.94 Yeah. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1859.99 1860.44 Hmm. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1862.15 1862.51 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1864 1867.63 uh we do need to avoid little ambiguities like these. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1867.97 1868.27 Yeah. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1868.26 1868.7 Hmm. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1869.02 1870.16 Nice. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 1870.16 1870.49 Good point. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1871.48 1874.49 But we wouldn't have a specific volume up and down. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1874.49 1880.61 If we're having the scroll wheel, then it's gonna double up as all the other up and down functions. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1881.46 1881.87 Mm 'kay. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 1882.12 1883.55 But then, that's complicated. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1884.3 1887.66 I wanna thank you all for all your presentations. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1887.66 1895.27 We have about ten minutes left, in which time we have to make some decisions on the remote control concepts. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1909.62 1919.8 things like making the decision on the energy um and the case and the interface type things. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1902.73 1909.62 Um we need to come up with some specifics of the components, um the materials 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1919.8 1922.25 So let's 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1895.27 1902.73 Um and I think you all have been self-stimulating of working together. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1924.28 1924.45 Mm. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1926.76 1927.31 Right. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1931.59 1933.16 They want us to decide 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1934.47 1937.81 what form of energy are we going to use, 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1939.33 1946.76 which the choices that we've discussed were pretty much battery, kinetic or solar. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1948.18 1958.6 Um this is where Kate's expertise comes in, and our decision making will be a little bit guided by Kate at this point. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1958.6 1959.08 The 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1960.37 1963.97 You were saying that the kinetic would be useful 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1975.42 1976.09 Um 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1963.97 1975.42 that is you just have to move it some and you'd be able to use it um as opposed to a battery that you have to either put it in a recharger or um keep replacing the batteries. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1986.22 1992.59 Um so what's our pleasure here, what would be the cost consequences of each of the three? 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1977.3 1983.82 or solar that you'd have difficulty with it if it's a dark day, that it'll die on you, and no way to do it. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1983.82 1986.22 That's the day you wanna use the T. V. . 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1985.54 1986.05 Mm. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1997.81 2005.21 I i in terms of workability, I I think the the two front-runners are the standard battery or the kinetic 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 2005.21 2007.73 but I'm sorry I don't figures on the difference in cost. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 1994.66 1997.81 Oh unfortunately I don't have costing information. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 1997.57 1998.24 Okay. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2005.46 2006.02 Mm 'kay. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2008.53 2012.26 What's the uh feelings of the group on the kinetic? 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2011.88 2018.65 I've used kinetic in terms of watches and it's very very uh handy, you don't even notice 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2019.81 2021.21 um that it's there. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2023.81 2030.32 Sounds like it could be g a really good economical it would make the whole thing a lot lighter, more convenient. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2020.29 2021.08 It sounds great. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2021.08 2023.81 I've never come across it before, but it sounds fantastic. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2023.86 2024.47 It's 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2027.07 2027.64 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2030.6 2030.95 Hmm. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2030.95 2038.78 It could tie in with the fanciful design as uh, you know, throw the banana, you know, just gotta keep it moving. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2033.59 2033.98 Hmm. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2036.82 2040.66 It's like yeah, a good selling point. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2033.62 2034.87 Yeah. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2034.87 2036.82 'Cause it's really a quite attractive thought, isn't it? 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2039.58 2043.38 So the consensus seems to be use the kinetic if it's at all possible. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2039.65 2039.74 Be 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2043.62 2044.8 But it does depend how much 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2045.43 2046.59 It costs. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2045.99 2049.83 I mean how much it costs and how much more development and research it needs. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2049.78 2050.26 Yeah. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2049.89 2050.25 Mm. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 2050.21 2056.48 And and how much you do have to keep it moving, 'cause I'm conscious that watching T. V. can be quite a sed sedentary activity. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2052.67 2053.19 Mm. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2052.79 2053.11 Yeah. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2057.12 2067.69 But I could market that as a um as a a I was thinking actually a a cost saver down the road, in terms of battery, you know. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2056.5 2057.12 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2057.46 2058.04 Mm. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2059.55 2062.69 Do your exercises while you're watching the T. V. . 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 2060.89 2063.21 Yeah. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2067.28 2067.66 Hmm. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 2067.42 2069.92 True, yeah, m more more environmentally friendly. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2069.91 2071.36 Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2070.02 2071.11 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2071.11 2072.3 You know, kind of the 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2070.56 2070.89 Yeah. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2076.1 2087.44 Um the next thing that they wanted us to do was look at chip on print as a decision. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2072.46 2076.1 Thanks for the reminder for five minutes to finish, thanks. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 2092.06 2095.36 Oh right, okay, I'd that that's something I maybe should have covered. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 2095.36 2095.84 Um 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 2096.92 2106.42 chip on print is just a manufacturing technique um and I would certainly recommend it, I think, because I'm not sure I have an alternative. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2100.12 2100.42 Oh. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2107.51 2108.1 Okay. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 2111.08 2119.35 I i it it's just the way that the the the uh th the way it's ac it's actually built and you you print onto the circuit board like you might print onto paper. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2111.56 2113.07 What about the ca yeah. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2113.07 2115.3 Oh, the way we uh-huh. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2119.83 2120.76 Oh, okay. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2122.07 2124.14 Um what about the case? 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2140.05 2142.26 Um we've sort of eliminated wood. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2125.84 2133.17 I think they're talking there about do we want wood, plastic, titanium or rubber, and I think we've discussed not having titanium. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2133.17 2140.05 One, it's too expensive, um and second, it won't do this double um curves. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2143.92 2144.8 What's the pleasure? 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2142.26 2143.92 We said plastic or rubber. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 2147.26 2150.51 Well if if Sarah's keen on a spongy feel,
ES2013c H01 FEE050 2150.51 2158.62 the the rubber that we're talking about is the same as you have in those little stress balls, so it's yeah. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2157.35 2157.84 I'm sold. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2155.19 2157.35 That's exactly what I was thinking. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2159.46 2160.15 What about you? 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2160.55 2161.53 Do you not think it might need 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2162.84 2164.19 like a kind of 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2165.56 2173.04 a hard plastic inner shell with the actual delicate workings inside, and then a kind of spongy 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2171.78 2172.13 Mm. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2173.57 2174.64 Kind of like an internal egg. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2176.1 2176.5 Uh-huh. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2174.69 2176.1 Cover. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2175.09 2183.35 Yeah, s thick spongy cover, so it feels like the whole thing's spongy, but actually you're not damaging anything by squeezing it. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2181.4 2182.66 Plastic inside. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2183.65 2185.59 Yeah. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2185.8 2189.23 Because I mean you could just get carried away with the with the tac 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 2185.98 2186.83 Yeah. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 2186.83 2192.86 I'd I'd need to talk to manufacturing again about whether that's actually possible, but I agree, it's uh sounds like a nice idea if it is. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2191.6 2198.2 Well you do get a bit carried away with things that are tactile, you just wanna stroke them and squeeze them, and 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2191.11 2191.6 Yeah. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2195.52 2195.9 Hmm. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2196.94 2198.61 And with sports on television. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2197.46 2197.9 Okay. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2201.3 2201.76 I su 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2200.13 2201.3 You know. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2200.73 2204.44 Um the next part they want is the user interface concept. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2204.44 2208.1 I'm sorry to push you, but we only have a couple minutes to finish with. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 2201.38 2202.17 I should I should r 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2208.23 2213.66 Then I'll just say I support either from a marketing point of view I support either decision that the designers make on that. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2213.77 2215.61 Okay, and it says interface. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2215.61 2217.79 What type and what supplements? 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2224.19 2226.19 No um a scroll 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2220.81 2224.19 Just copy the one on the left. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2227.67 2233.87 Well, like four buttons, up, down, left and right with enter in the middle, that will correspond to a menu on the screen. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 2234.21 2241.76 Which I think technically is just push button and uh I'd certainly support that that that brings the cost down quite a lot and it's something that we're an ex the company's an expert on. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2237.06 2239.07 Yeah, I'd like push buttons with 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2241.8 2242.83 So push buttons 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2248.19 2250.04 Okay, um 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2251.4 2252.69 that's that. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2268.06 2270.91 Marketing they want product evaluation. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2259.84 2260.92 Whew. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2270.91 2272.26 Oh. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2254.05 2259.84 Um this is gonna sound weird, but the next meeting starts in thirty minutes. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2260.92 2268.06 And they actually want a look and feel design, user interface design, you can look and see this as well as I can. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2272.26 2273.61 Oh my, I'm sorry. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2269.48 2272.83 No, it's still it's still plugged in on mine actually. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2269.79 2270.94 No we can't, actually. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2274.88 2276.73 That's why I was looking over your shoulder 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2278.82 2279.8 Sorry about that. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2279.8 2280.44 missed that one. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2276.34 2278.82 Oh, okay. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2286.42 2290.26 This ought to be fun trying to get this thing to work. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2290.26 2291.96 Ah, ta-da. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2293.02 2293.63 Now it's gone again. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2295.39 2295.42 Ah. 
ES2013c H01 FEE050 2301.19 2307.54 You know, I think the the company's s next project should to design a better overhead device that switches immediately. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2306.04 2309.62 Yes, because I can't even see mine. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2341.39 2342.67 Anything else we need to do? 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2314.29 2315.46 Yeah, right. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2315.46 2327.96 Um the look and feel design is for Kate, uh Steph gets the user interface design, you get product evaluation. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2327.96 2334.96 Um the two of you get to play with a Pla modelling clay um to do a prototype. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2334.96 2341.39 Uh and everybody gets individual instructions in the usual way. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2309.62 2314.29 Next meeting starts in thirty minutes, these are the individual actions. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2311.31 2312.19 Oh yes. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2316.29 2316.67 Mm. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2332.48 2333.06 Great. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2339.92 2340.44 Sounds good. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2343.22 2344.36 I don't think so. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2344.69 2346.26 Go to it. 
ES2013c H02 FEE051 2349.03 2349.9 Play-Doh. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2349.55 2350.94 And that's the end of this meeting. 
ES2013c H00 FEE049 2352.19 2353.98 That's for her benefit. 
ES2013c H03 FEE052 2352.38 2357.69 That's really all I got, guys. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 18.55 25.81 Um almost, there's one more thing I have to get out of the I have to make sure that this attachment will open. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 28.57 31.45 I keep forgetting whether I've done this. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 31.89 32.31 Ah-ha. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 36.25 36.76 Okay. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 38.69 41.1 We'll open that when the time is right. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 42.34 43.55 In the meantime 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 45.59 48.08 Closing things down, okay. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 59.52 61.45 Let's see what this thing does. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 67.16 69.45 Ah, we came up together, we're good. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 62.7 67.16 Does it come up together or disappear one of them or what? 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 84.36 84.74 Okay. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 87.01 88.16 Are we ready to start? 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 90.22 90.83 Okay. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 93.44 99.7 This is a f another forty minute one so it will end at four twenty five. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 90.83 93.44 It's now quarter of four. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 103.93 105.12 Okay. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 112.76 118.99 Our agenda is, as before, for me to open the meeting, for us to go over the previous minutes 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 118.99 127.3 then for the two of you to present your prototype and for you to g um Sarah present the evaluation criteria. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 137.38 144.52 um because we're only given a forty minute time period to get it all in, including the production evaluation. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 112.09 112.76 Right. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 144.52 148.19 So we're going to make a very fast track. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 127.3 134.16 We then have a finance aspect, which is a spreadsheet, an Excel spreadsheet. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 148.19 148.91 Okay. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 134.16 137.38 And I know what you're all thinking of, oh my,
ES2013d H00 FEE049 150.49 157.13 Um and as you can see that's what we do next on this thing. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 157.13 164.6 So the first thing I have to do is close this so that I can get to 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 167.42 168.2 Where is it? 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 171.9 172.14 Red. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 173.7 175.3 I need to open mine. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 179.26 180.35 Not the agenda. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 182.54 183.39 Agenda three. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 188.62 189.99 That should be there, minutes. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 189.99 191.21 Yeah. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 204.6 216.3 Okay, um obviously all of us were here for the last meeting, we reviewed the previous minutes before that, um each of you made your presentations. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 192.62 201.36 Uh from meeting three, is it alright with you if I don't switch it to show, just use it as is? 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 201.36 204.6 'Cause this way I can more easily flip it. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 191.21 192.62 Okay. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 183.9 188.62 No that th I want the minutes from the previous minutes. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 186.63 186.87 Mm. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 242.29 250.77 Um we would use plastic with a rubber casing, I think was the consensus, powered by kinetic energy. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 250.77 256.27 There was no decision made on the curvatures or double curvature or straight. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 225.86 237.6 The market trend of fruit and veg, mm spongy, uh fancy and elegant more than technologically innovative and that more than easy. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 260.95 268.39 Um looking like a scroll, but it's really a push button technology, excuse my spelling 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 237.6 242.29 Um we decided chip on print would be used. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 256.27 260.95 Um perhaps the prototype will give us an inkling of that. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 217.63 225.86 Um we discussed the various possibilities based on what was presented in those presentations. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 268.99 272.74 um that was actually in use 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 291.89 297.8 Um and as suggested um yellow with black buttons with the company logo 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 281.98 291.89 Um we decided that separate fashionable covers covering your fruit and veg might be a separate product that could be suggested to management. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 272.74 281.98 that is uh behind the scenes is push button which we uh according to Kate have a very good uh grasp on doing that in production. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 297.8 304.45 a slogan and image might be a good idea based on the requirements that have been provided to us. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 327.39 331.14 And uh we closed as it ran out of time. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 336.33 340.78 Okay, back to this meeting. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 306.39 322.62 Um we did have a few production issues and coordination of the various bits and we had some conflict of ideas and cost constraints and we ran out of time. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 322.62 327.39 Um we had to follow that up and prepare for the last one. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 340.78 343.49 Um we're down to the prototype presentation. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 331.14 336.33 Is that a fair presentation of what happened? 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 332.9 333.15 Yes. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 333.3 333.57 Yep. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 344.23 346.24 Ta-da. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 346.24 347.33 Right. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 345.2 345.64 Alright. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 345.72 346.72 Over to you. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 347.52 348.17 Well. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 350.59 352.29 Ooh, two. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 352.3 356.15 Yeah, well you see, each made one, we didn't have enough yellow dough. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 356.15 356.65 This is the one 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 355.3 355.84 Ah. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 358.83 359.34 that I made. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 359.84 360.34 Uh-huh. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 360.66 368.3 It is uh curved, easy to hold, hand-held, nice and small with big easy buttons. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 368.3 368.89 This is 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 384.94 389.29 Uh I'm not quite sure how to make that, but I'm sure it will work. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 395.47 400.8 And it's gonna have the logo imprinted on it uh in there. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 381.17 384.94 I mean this is the infrared thing that's gonna zap at the television. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 375.06 381.17 Of course we need someone who's experienced with the television. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 400.8 409.41 Um as for what it's actually made of well the function of these buttons is up, down, left and right in the different menus. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 389.29 395.47 Uh this is on off switch, 'cause I think we do need that, and I think it gives it a nice balance. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 370.27 375.06 like a scroll, but they are push buttons and they enter takes you into the different menus. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 395.72 395.91 'Kay. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 399.51 399.66 Okay. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 410.16 410.55 Okay. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 411.22 413.9 Uh position, I presume that just means 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 425.97 427.01 Right? 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 418.04 425.97 The main feature of it is just a simple design, simple, lack of uh buttons all over the place. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 415.56 418.04 right right on it, easy to see. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 427.01 427.66 Form 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 429.53 435.22 curved, kind of smooth, hand-held, makes it feel nice to hold. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 467.24 477.31 Also with on off switch and infrared uh I had envisioned it in hard smooth plastic. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 443.97 452.74 because we did make a another one, which wa uh is in the shape of banana, it's just if you can imagine this as yellow with black buttons 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 454.63 464.87 which is also nice and easy to hold and feels good and has a similar sort of scroll push button technology 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 464.87 467.24 just a slightly different design. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 437.52 443.97 Uh material, I think Kate's gonna tackle that quite a bit, but I think we have two different options,
ES2013d H02 FEE051 452.74 454.63 like just like this but in the shape of a banana 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 452.66 453.12 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 453.96 454.34 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 478.76 484.24 So like uh well, I dunno, what's it like? 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 484.24 487.58 I guess like an existing remote control, but molded and smooth. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 489.38 493.83 Whereas otherwise we'd thought, like with this one or mix and match,
ES2013d H02 FEE051 493.83 499.13 just we were gonna see what you thought, the uh a more spongy rubber cover with spongy buttons. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 500.31 507.06 So we have the two options we can follow, either the smooth hard plastic or the spongy rubber, depending on cost restraints. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 507.06 508.3 And what we 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 509.56 511.84 well, what conclusion we reach when we discuss it. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 512.39 516.64 Uh material yeah, that's what I have to say about material. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 516.64 518.41 Can I scroll down on there and see what else 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 517.65 517.91 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 526.72 535.1 because that's the company colours, but if anybody's got any other suggestions, I'm quite willing to consider them as well. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 519.51 526.72 Well colour, I think I definitely have a preference towards bright yellow with black buttons,
ES2013d H02 FEE051 536.91 545.6 So, it just depends what you think about these ideas and if I'm yeah, maybe, Kate, you better say what you think about them. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 545.99 547.54 Um well I don't have very much to add. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 579.23 586.85 Um the um the diode that actually does the um infrared is at the end,
ES2013d H01 FEE050 552.83 558.53 The the case can be either um spongy rubber or hard plastic. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 596.24 599.34 Colour, well uh Steph's the expert on colour. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 592.33 596.24 Um so that's for material. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 574.85 579.23 We have simple rubber push buttons um which provide all the functionality we need. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 599.34 603.16 Um we we don't have any particular restrictions on that. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 563.96 574.85 Um and as for the the actual components um, uh Steph just said this is a quite a cheap device to manufacture. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 547.54 552.83 Um the the case oops, that's the uh on off button just come off our prototype. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 558.53 561.88 We're not absolutely sure about a combination of the two, but it can be either of those. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 586.85 592.33 it's the stalk of the banana, or it's just the thing at the end of this version. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 561.88 563.96 We have the technology to do that. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 605.16 607.28 Yeah, I think that's all we've got to say really. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 605.82 614.11 I thin as for as for the fruit or organic theme, I guess this one is obviously fruit shaped. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 616.79 622.29 This one has no obvious connections to fruit, but because it's round and molded, 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 614.11 616.79 This one has n banana, yeah. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 614.57 615.41 A banana. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 623.46 629.01 it kinda makes you think sort of organic, touchy-feely, kiddie, it's more like yeah,
ES2013d H02 FEE051 638.27 641.95 'Cause it's very big and chunky and child-friendly and 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 629.01 638.27 you'd expect it to be like a child's sorta toy remote control instead of a real one, which I quite like that sort of image. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 642.39 645.91 Would you care to examine the prototypes, see how they feel in the hand? 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 646.64 648.21 Curvature, is it to your liking? 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 644.16 646.64 Hold them, you see, you know. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 652.2 653.97 Oh I see, the on-off's in the back. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 654.44 658.18 Yes, that's so that your index finger automatically goes straight to it. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 659.54 661.42 If you don't wanna tire out your thumbs after all. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 660.45 662.82 And then you can use your thumb. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 662.03 664.16 And it was partly we thought the design looked better 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 664.16 668.28 but it could be moved if if marketing feel it's important to have the on off button in a different place. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 663.8 664.12 Yeah. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 670.09 674.38 I could see this thing, unless it's reinforced, having a problem with the 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 675.34 676.97 Breaking, oh right. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 676.97 682.51 Well you see, that's why hard plastic would be quite a good thing for it, because then it'd just be rigid. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 675.56 676.47 you know yeah. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 687.04 691.64 I like the fact that on both of them the keys play such a prominent role. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 691.38 691.8 Hmm. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 692.97 694.49 It's really kind of a 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 710.7 711.13 Yeah. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 704.98 710.7 And it's like the the iPod scroll wheel, but better. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 714.26 718.97 I was try I was thinking, moving your thumb like this, what does that remind me of? 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 711.13 714.26 Yeah, yeah, I mean it that's what it makes me think of, mobile phones,
ES2013d H02 FEE051 718.97 719.93 It's texting. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 693.01 699.25 Yeah, we really like we really like that design, I mean it looks just like a logo, that arrangement of the keys. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 699.25 702.06 Like a c like a compass point, you know, just up,
ES2013d H02 FEE051 702.06 704.98 down, left and right, and we think we could make that quite a good feature. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 701.01 701.79 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 708.77 711.05 But it's also like texting, you don't 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 707.94 708.77 Yeah. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 711.61 711.82 Hmm. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 718.45 718.81 Yeah. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 718.71 722.34 And it's a very simple design, there's not a lot to wrong, the components are cheap to make. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 722.6 728.92 It's also in terms of um being lost it's it's quite it looks quite different. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 732.52 738.23 and they all look the same until you get up close and you have to you know, this is really identifiable. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 728.92 732.52 You know, I I d I have several four remotes,
ES2013d H02 FEE051 728.73 729.02 Hmm. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 735.75 736.05 Yeah. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 746.34 754.38 you know, text box is gonna appear at the bottom of the screen, but we do definitely think that it's a viable option. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 738.25 746.34 I mean the thing is we do need to develop our technology of I mean actually how to program the menus and what sort of,
ES2013d H03 FEE052 744.79 745.08 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 750.01 750.15 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 754.61 756.31 Okay. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 756.31 759.99 The next item is evaluation. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 761.21 761.95 No, okay. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 762.44 764.26 Uh if that's if you're finished. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 762.72 763.33 Um 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 763.13 765.22 Uh yeah, we're finished. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 763.8 764.06 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 764.71 766.91 shall I take your uh power? 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 767.19 767.89 Oh sorry. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 784.79 784.93 Oh. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 788.13 788.64 Try again. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 806.92 808.75 Okay. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 813.27 821.48 and the method here is to evaluate the new remote control in terms of the user requirements and the hot trends introduced by the marketing department. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 808.75 813.27 This is going to be a heavily interactive evaluation 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 821.48 827.47 So, this means we're going to go over the priorities that were raised by uh the consumers 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 840.66 844.7 and so I'm gonna I'm gonna leave this up as the last thing,
ES2013d H03 FEE052 844.7 852.86 but for the evaluation it's going to be one is true and seven is false, going over these different criteria 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 832.56 840.66 So I'm going to go and use the whiteboard, and I've made a list of criteria to look at 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 852.86 859.79 so one true seven false and I'm gonna now use the um the board. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 828.18 832.56 a as well as incorporate all of our insight into this uh evaluation exercise. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 880.54 881.98 Okay. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 881.98 883.42 So um 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 887.91 888.7 fancy, 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 890.39 892.28 technologically innovative, 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 894.98 897.26 easy to use, trendy, 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 899.75 900.6 buttons, 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 901.86 905.55 excess buttons, good buttons, 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 908.76 909.23 ugly, 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 913.48 914.28 sellable, 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 916.02 916.51 and other. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 916.51 921.08 And in fact I hope that uh you all introduce some additional terms,
ES2013d H03 FEE052 921.08 927.04 because these are things that um have been brought up, some of them seem rather close, like they overlap. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 929.21 930.35 Price of materials. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 925.84 929.21 Yeah, what about price, is that gonna go on there as well? 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 928.63 929.85 Mm, yeah, price. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 929.22 929.84 Hmm. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 931.45 933.07 We'll put price up at the top. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 932.19 936.09 Not that we actually know anything about it, but we can we can pretend. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 937.58 939.36 Well we will soon, unfortunately. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 940.13 940.86 Um 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 941.97 942.97 Okay, so 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 944.33 945.66 Come on. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 948.68 950.31 Did you say? 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 950.31 952.97 Uh okay, so 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 949.45 950.94 No,. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 954.31 956.78 wha how do we feel in terms of is this fancy? 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 961.78 966.76 I think of it's got lots of extra sort of fripperies and, you know, like 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 958.56 961.78 It depends what what you mean by fancy really, 'cause when I think of fancy,
ES2013d H02 FEE051 968.32 970.48 baroque curliness and which 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 969.7 970.68 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 971.6 973.89 I'd call these quite uh minimalist, 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 973.64 976.4 Yes, a plain, simple, clean design. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 976.12 986.96 simple and plain, but I mean I do see what it is heavily reliant on appearance instead of pure functionality, so in that respect it is quite fancy. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 982.54 982.82 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 984.59 988.55 I yeah, so in that respect I think we'll go with that respect. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 988.13 993.48 I think just maybe we need a different word other than fancy, I'd say maybe aesthetic. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 990.47 991.06 Yeah. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 992.09 994.62 Well we have got s trendy further down, but 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 993.07 993.86 Elegant. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 994.91 995.39 Elegant. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 995.82 996.45 Elegant. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 996.53 998.19 Elegant, I don't know if I'd call them elegant. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 998.37 1001.24 Yeah, no these aren't the exact terms that the um 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1000.72 1002.78 like stylish or aesthetic. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1003.02 1003.39 Yeah. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1003.09 1004.22 Stylish, yeah. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1004.71 1005.38 Elegant. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1005.38 1010.89 We're gon let's use elegant, although the the the people, the word on the street is is 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1011.1 1011.58 Fancy. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1014.36 1017.31 N that um 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1013.13 1014.36 Yeah. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1017.64 1018.77 Did you just break the pen? 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1021.89 1023.61 So let's let's take it to the next level. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1019.31 1021.89 yeah uh the uh is fancy. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1023.2 1024.9 Well d we'll just call it fancy then. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1025.08 1028.35 Well okay, so in terms of elegant, fancy. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1029.59 1036.54 we'll call it E. F. um, do we do we think that perhaps and maybe we should say the yellow? 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1036.54 1042.16 Should we go with the yellow in terms of I think that's a really superior they're both 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1051.15 1055.53 So what we re really need to decide is whether we want the actual banana shape 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1040.97 1047.1 Yeah, I think we n we need to they're both yellow with black buttons, it's just that we didn't have any more dough to represent uh that 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1047.1 1051.15 but if you can just imagine banana shape with these bits as black. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1044.01 1044.3 Yeah. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1047.28 1047.65 Mm. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1049.58 1050.01 Yeah. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1057 1065.04 or just a a purely blob or some sort of abstraction in between the two that isn't that is more curved,
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1065.04 1071.16 like a banana, but that isn't actually recognisable as a banana, you know, with the grooves and the stalk and stuff, so. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1060.51 1060.85 Yeah. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1067.84 1068.42 As a banana. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1070.45 1074.47 I think that many of us are abstract enough to look at the yellow one and say we'll call it the banana. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1075.35 1075.64 Yeah. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1076.38 1081.28 And of the two I really like I m I like the banana, but I I do like the chunk. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1079.96 1080.67 The chunk. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1086.46 1088.99 Just somewhere a long the scale of in between these two. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1083.44 1086.46 So that's maybe not something we have to decide just right now, is it. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1085.88 1088.76 No, but I mean in terms we have to evaluate one of them. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1091.38 1093.5 Unless do you guys wanna evaluate both? 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1092.15 1096.25 I think between the two, somewhere between the two is true. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1094.75 1095.72 Yeah, I'd 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1097.48 1099.58 It's more true than false, about a two. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1098.32 1098.65 Okay. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1101.57 1102.21 Um 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1099.99 1101.57 So we say true. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1102.79 1106.08 technologically innovative. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1109.92 1115.08 I think we're using simple components that are gonna be robust but not particularly innovative. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1107.51 1109.92 I d I don't think that's what we're aiming at with this concept. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1109.32 1110.06 Yeah. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1110.06 1113.38 So we'll say we'll say uh false. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1115.34 1116.24 Easy to use. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1116.53 1117.08 Very. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1117.06 1117.6 Yes. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1123.21 1124.06 Um 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1122.08 1123.21 Oh, pardon me. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1121.1 1122.08 Okay. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1119.07 1121.1 One, is that inappropriate? 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1120.34 1120.78 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1120.81 1121.15 Yeah. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1126.2 1126.71 Trendy. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1126.85 1130.15 trendy, s and I say specifically spongy fruity. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1126.92 1127.59 Oh yes. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1130.46 1131.27 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1132.26 1138.82 Well, maybe only a two or a three then, 'cause it's no we still haven't decided about specific sponginess or specific 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1137.88 1143.34 We have the worry about how robust it will be if it's it's curved as a banana but spongy. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1143.34 1144.98 I think yeah. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1143.32 1143.69 Hmm. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1143.65 1143.91 Okay. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1143.8 1146.76 Yeah, I don't really think that's gonna work, but 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1146.12 1148.44 Okay, so two? 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1148.44 1149.08 Um 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1147.38 1147.65 Yeah. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1152 1152.44 No. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1150.11 1152 Excess buttons. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1150.26 1151.55 are there excess buttons? 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1151.53 1151.89 No. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1151.8 1152.25 No. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1158.58 1163.74 Um good, well designed buttons, intuitive buttons. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1155.97 1158.58 That is false. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1156.71 1157.88 So that's false. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1163.08 1165.65 Better, more intuitive buttons, yes. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1165.4 1165.75 True. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1167.7 1168.1 Ugly. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1168.33 1170.83 No. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1168.71 1169.57 No. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1169.42 1169.69 No. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1170.8 1173.05 People don't respond well to ugly. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1180.32 1180.96 Yeah, I do too. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1173.05 1180.32 Sellable, uh quirky, you know, something people like oh, yeah. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1177.46 1178.93 Yeah, I think they're different, aren't they? 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1178.2 1180.03 Well it is quite it is quite quirky I think. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1179.63 1180.2 I like it. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1181.08 1183.33 It could be quite a good brand, like 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1184.41 1184.78 Oh yeah. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1184.68 1186.05 a good little object. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1186.44 1192.65 And I was I was thinking of other things um in terms of uh could we say it's cost saving? 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1194.69 1195.31 With the 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1195.32 1196.83 Oh, we also need tho think about the energy. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1198.44 1203.1 If it's it is gonna be environmentally friendly with the kinetic energy. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1196.83 1198.44 Is it the kinetic energy? 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1197.33 1198.77 Yeah, with the energy. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1198.53 1199.6 Mm. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1199.6 1199.91 Yeah. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1200.09 1201.08 It is going to be kinetic? 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1201.83 1202.1 Yeah. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1202.4 1202.63 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1202.59 1205.46 Yeah, we'll c we'll say it's a cost saving enviro. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1207.08 1208 Uh so yes. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1208.66 1209.45 Yeah, but we haven't 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1211.04 1215.98 completely developed that side of it yet, so we're not completely sure about that, but yeah. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1213.9 1217.82 Well you're still in the Play-Doh stage. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1217.82 1219.33 Anything else? 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1219.33 1223.36 Including price, do you have any idea about price or other features? 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1217.33 1217.53 Yeah. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1223.89 1226.54 Well I think our instinct is that it should be pretty cheap to develop. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1226.54 1228.51 We haven't got a lot of expensive components in there. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1226.8 1227.17 Okay. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1227.04 1229.29 Yes, the instinct says true. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1229.43 1231.84 So true one or should I go to two or three? 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1232.69 1234.9 I'd put it at one I think, but I dunno, what do you 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1234.03 1234.41 Okay. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1234.4 1240.8 I would say maybe a two, 'cause we still we need to uh get somebody in who is good with the programming for the menus 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1241.75 1245.03 Yeah, true, it might be the yeah, yeah, true. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1242.17 1249.96 I mean it's not just like I mean it's not like ev you know, on a normal chunky remote every button res I mean means something different,
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1249.96 1257.69 whereas this one has only got the four buttons and they all they mean everything, depending on what menu you're in. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1241.8 1242.17 and things. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1257.69 1260.31 uh we need somebody to develop that. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1242.71 1244.35 Yeah, that's not a cheap thing to get. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1246.39 1246.78 True. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1256.29 1256.64 Hmm. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1257.48 1259.39 Yeah, that's a good point. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1261.51 1262.13 Um 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1264.25 1265.56 Anything else you guys can thing of? 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1263.29 1264.25 other? 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1279.66 1282.52 And then um excess buttons. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1276.8 1279.66 so that 'cause I have to do an average. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1269.86 1276.8 And I'm gonna actually change a couple of these so then I'm gonna instead of ugly I'm gonna say it's attractive and then make that true 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1277.68 1277.97 Yeah. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1279.07 1279.59 Right. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1282.65 1284.1 Just putting no excess buttons. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1284.08 1284.78 Exactly. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1287.35 1288.38 Wow we're doing really well. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1290.5 1293.83 Yeah, be you know, so it doesn't ruin the polarity. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1303.14 1307.25 I mean I know we're not doing anything involving internet or speech recognition 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1292.36 1297.47 As for see if we're technologically innovative, I'd say it is quite innovative 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1297.47 1303.14 because there aren't really many that have this menu idea instead of all the extra buttons. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1300.25 1300.58 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1308.39 1313.71 but but we are at the upper end of the push button market. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1308.43 1309.29 Or L. C. D. . 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1313.07 1313.41 Yeah. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1314.28 1328.67 Well if you g uh let me know if if any of these um if you if you all can think of any other um thing to change here if you th if you think I should change the innovative or add other features. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1328.67 1330.49 If not I'll average those. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1333.18 1333.88 I think we're good. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1334.3 1335.2 Okay. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1338.78 1338.87 Mm. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1346.4 1353.05 We're a little over halfway through the meeting and the next big thing is the finance. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1345.59 1346.4 Okay. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1346.36 1347.02 So 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1358.06 1358.38 Okay. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1360.37 1367.79 Um okay, how about if I uh pass this back to you and I'll uh figure out the average here. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1364.81 1365 Yep. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1368.22 1369 Right. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1375.8 1377.39 Thank you for everyone's help with that. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1380.96 1381.27 Right. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1392.63 1399.44 And we're going to raise what's called a sp a spreadsheet that they provided to me. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1399.44 1400.05 Um 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1383.86 1392.63 And as you can see it says the same thing, it had not lost itself, thank Goodness. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1401.65 1402.39 and 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1404.12 1409.02 it says fill in the number of components you plan to use in your device. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1412.18 1416.89 Hand dynamo, battery, kinetic, solar cells. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1418.31 1419.02 Okay. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1418.44 1420.85 Well, just kinetic then,. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1420.77 1421.22 Yeah. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1421.32 1421.74 Yeah. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1423.05 1423.71 Um 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1426.6 1427.82 what's a hand dynamo? 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1428.23 1432.46 That was the crank, wind-up crank on the side. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1428.53 1429.27 It's the wind-up. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1433.04 1439.64 Kinetic is um and how many of those will we need per we only need one. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1429.49 1433.04 Oh shoot, forget that. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1438.53 1439.12 Just one. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1443.94 1448.79 Electronic simple chip on print, and we'll need one of those. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1442.51 1443.94 Okay. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1448.93 1450.99 Uh uh yeah, I think we can do it all with simple 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1452.33 1453.56 Just checking that. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1471.04 1475.17 Yeah, simple, 'cause we've just got push buttons, so we can do it all with simple which is the ch should be the cheapest. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1475.94 1478.46 Okay, and we only need one of those. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1488.57 1490.75 It's that's uh uh one. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1484.12 1488.57 It looks like it single curve, 'cause of th the chunkiness. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1478.46 1484.12 Okay, the case will be uncurved and flat or a single curve or a double curve. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1477.45 1477.67 Yep. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1490.97 1492.42 Um do we have 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1488.87 1490.97 Yeah, that that one is single curve, isn't it? 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1492.12 1494.08 What does double curved mean, I don't understand. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1492.26 1492.95 And that's 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1493.67 1495.41 I I think you it means you reverse the curve. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1494.24 1496.6 uh that's the the one that goes like this. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1497.85 1498.3 No. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1496.71 1497.85 Oh no, we don't need that. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1496.76 1497.88 Yeah. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1497.88 1501.91 Yeah, I do I don't think we need that for either of them, you can do a banana in single curve, yeah. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1498.06 1498.57 Right. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1499.94 1500.98 Single-curved, I'd say. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1500.39 1501.58 No, single curve. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1506.45 1509.3 Okay, case material supplements. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1509.3 1513.9 Plastic, wood, rubber, titanium, special colour. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1513.9 1515.42 We had the special colour. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1509.4 1510.94 I 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1512.12 1513.89 I just wanna say plastic. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1517.11 1519.75 And did we say plastic? 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1520.1 1525.88 Yeah, can we do some what ifs, 'cause it may I mean I I still quite like the idea of combining plastic and rubber myself,
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1525.88 1527.31 but it depends on the cost, I guess. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1522.29 1525.41 One, two, three, four, five, six. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1522.61 1522.96 Yeah. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1528.36 1529.36 Okay. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1529.36 1537.19 We'll come back, if we can, to the rubber being added at the moment, that's where we are. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1537.19 1541.11 Interface button push button interface. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1541.11 1542.69 That's what we're using, isn't it? 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1538.88 1539.63 It's just button. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1540.63 1540.91 Yeah. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1541.12 1541.79 Yes. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1543.29 1544.86 Do we need to say how many buttons, or 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1542.76 1543.29 Yep. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1542.77 1543.01 Yeah. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1546.08 1549.52 Whoops, don't want that, not yet. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1549.52 1550.14 Um 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1547.51 1548.61 or d is it just one? 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1552.66 1556.33 No, it just says push button interface. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1556.33 1560.65 Button supplements, they'll be in a special colour of black. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1556.51 1557.08 'Kay. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1562.33 1564.06 And the buttons 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1565.22 1567.8 Wha what is the buttons made of, rubber? 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1567.3 1568.81 Uh they'll be rubber, yep. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1569.54 1570.65 So we need one of them. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1573.11 1574.84 And are they any special form? 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1576.48 1581.23 Well yeah, like the compass point one. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1586.03 1588.36 'Cause I think they can be plastic. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1581.69 1586.03 Actually, does tha does special material mean that plastic is not a special material? 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1598.99 1601.96 'Cause the rate we're going we can put the rubber on top. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1600.92 1601.45 Yeah. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1601.45 1606.86 They could be plastic, we don't have to have rubber buttons, because we haven't got a double curved case. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1605.52 1605.82 Oh. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1609.09 1610.1 Yeah, they could be plastic. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1611.69 1612.41 Okay. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1613.73 1614.27 Um 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1617 1622.02 let's put that rubber in then, of the case material supplement. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1622.4 1623.31 It's just one, isn't it? 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1624.16 1625.25 Uh we only need one of them. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1629.03 1637.62 Um and the total cost has been calculated as nine Pounds twenty out of the twelve and a half we were allowed. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1637.65 1638.21 What, we're in. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1638.79 1639.05 Yeah. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1642.81 1643.78 That's us. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1639.89 1642.81 We're in. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1644.15 1644.69 More profit. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1645.4 1646.04 Great. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1646.77 1653.13 Okay, I'm going to save this into our 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1658.71 1659.29 Okay. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1654.58 1658.71 desktop, project documents. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1660.94 1663.04 As our project document bit. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1662.55 1664.33 Do you do you need to double click on that to open it? 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1665.24 1665.49 Yeah. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1670.09 1670.61 There we are. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1680.36 1683.81 Okay, so, are they under twelve fifty? 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1689.21 1695.52 Um the project process, satisfaction with, for example, the room for creativity. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1673.59 1680.36 That's the only Excel document that will be in there, so it's there for all of us. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1683.81 1687.62 Yes, go to the project evaluation, next slide. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1687.62 1689.21 Right. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1684.21 1684.98 Yes. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1696.77 1698.78 Yeah, leadership, 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1699.82 1700.47 Sure. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1699.86 1700.39 Yeah. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1700.2 1700.84 teamwork, 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1701.36 1701.83 Yes. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1702.31 1707.03 means, of having whiteboard, the digital pens and all that kind of good things. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1706.77 1707.71 And Play-Doh. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1708.38 1708.69 Uh-huh. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1708.4 1708.64 Yeah. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1708.75 1711.07 Yeah, yeah, the Play-Doh was best, I thought. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1720.48 1721.9 So much better just to go and, 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1717.39 1720.48 well we quite want this, but imagine it rounder. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1711.49 1717.39 Yeah well, 'cause I mean it's so hard to describe what you mean just with words and pointing at photographs and saying,
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1723.29 1726.29 you know, this is it, this is what we want. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1724.93 1725.68 Yep. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1734.08 1734.43 Okay. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1736 1742.17 So, we went over all those things and we're satisfied with all the above. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1742.75 1742.96 Yep. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1748.2 1750.2 Um did we find any new ideas? 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1751.8 1759.18 I think with the marketing element of uh fruit shaped I I mean I that really opened my eyes. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1761.43 1762.21 Spongy. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1760.16 1761.43 Yeah. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1765.11 1766.78 I I only speak for myself though. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1772.88 1776.44 Good work as a design team, because we 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1768.77 1772.88 And I'd never heard of the kinetic energy before, so. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1771.72 1772.53 Yeah. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1774.08 1775.93 Yeah, I think we're a good team actually. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1780.45 1783 I'm not sure all the wires are really great though. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1787.89 1789.79 So we actually worked well as a group. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1792.5 1792.99 I thought so. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1794 1794.61 Right. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1797.54 1799.13 Is the project evaluated? 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1799.13 1799.9 Yes. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1796.64 1797.54 Yes. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1794.61 1796.64 Are the costs within the budget? 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1796.41 1797.1 Oh yes. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1796.97 1797.41 Yes. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1797.27 1798.18 Yes. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1799.12 1799.8 Yes. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1800.12 1802.62 Oh hang on, we haven't heard. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1799.48 1800.12 Yes. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1828.96 1830.33 I would say that's ex excellent 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1806.36 1809.67 so it means w you know, I can I can spell it out. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1816.82 1823.08 two s almost true or close to true, so that was four points,
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1823.08 1828.96 and then uh one false, seven points, so seventeen divided by nine we're between one and two. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1809.67 1816.82 There were six true or ones, four um pardon me,
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1799.65 1806.36 I can give you a number, um it's uh the average evaluation score is one point eight eight,
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1801.77 1802.26 Uh-huh. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1831.54 1837.02 in terms of uh ho how much we adhere to the ideals of the uh market place. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1837 1840.22 And the the only false one is because we've chosen 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1836.26 1837 Yeah. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1840.9 1843.92 To maintain old technology, exactly. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1841.51 1850.59 to keep a simple old technology, which if it works perfectly well I see no point in improving on if it works, so. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1844.16 1844.5 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1848.71 1849.8 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1849.69 1851.44 Absolutely, and it's kept us within budget. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1851.98 1852.39 Yes. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1852.66 1855.18 So we do count as I think excellent or one. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1852.04 1852.66 Yeah. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1852.59 1853.03 Mm-hmm. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1855.7 1857.33 Alright. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1857.33 1867.84 And we've therefore we have to do the final questionnaire and do the meeting summary, I have a final report to present, um and then we're done. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1868.32 1868.64 Okay. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1869.67 1872.46 We done good, and we're finished in time. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1870.12 1871.56 Bring on the ice sculptures. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1872.64 1873.07 Nice. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1876.81 1880.5 Product launch party? 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1874.01 1876.81 And then we get the product launch party. 
ES2013d H01 FEE050 1880.5 1882.98 Absolutely. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1874.28 1875.33 So we might have to wait. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1876.32 1876.5 Yeah. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1878.32 1878.63 Yeah. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1878.42 1879.76 That's what I said, ice sculptures. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1882.21 1885.29 Um I one thing I want to do is oh, I think the meeting's done. 
ES2013d H02 FEE051 1885.57 1886.38 Is that the end of the meeting? 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1885.84 1888.03 I believe that is the end of our meeting. 
ES2013d H00 FEE049 1888.03 1889.53 Thank you, Melissa. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1887.93 1888.4 Yeah. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1889.72 1895.26 Um one thing I wa I wanna do is save everything in the right files, because I don't think everything is saved. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1896.37 1897.68 The right files. 
ES2013d H03 FEE052 1897.68 1898.52 Final meeting market 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 71.42 72.12 Right, so 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 74.44 77.13 start of the first meeting. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 77.13 77.86 Uh. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 76.13 76.4 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 85.42 86.84 Where we uh 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 81.45 85.42 Right, so agenda of the first meeting. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 99.57 102.64 So does everyone want to say who they are? 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 90.12 92.6 We have twenty five minutes for this meeting. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 92.6 99.57 We uh are to get acquainted. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 102.64 104.24 that seem sensible? 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 91.88 92.33 Okay. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 102.98 103.47 Yeah. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 104.86 105.6 I'm Robin. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 105.6 106.78 I'm the Marketing Manager. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 107.64 108.53 I'm Louisa. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 108.53 110.13 I'm the User Interface Designer. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 111.02 112.59 I am the Industrial Designer. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 110.4 111.02 I'm Nick. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 113.32 117.87 And I'm Alastair and I'm the project leader. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 117.87 121.79 Alright okay, so tool training. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 121.79 122.57 Um. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 127.46 130.9 So does anyone have any uh thoughts 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 125.38 127.46 Project plan. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 132.57 136.22 as to the tool training that uh is required? 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 136.52 137.38 Tool training. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 137.09 140.02 I'm not exactly sure what you mean by tool training. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 140.43 142.65 Neither am I. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 145.91 148.04 Oh I see, so we shouldn't really be 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 158.68 165.89 So we have the project team, which is to um basically to come up with a new r remote control device. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 165.89 176.82 Uh we have uh the starting base was the original which has been in existence now for a period of time. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 156.88 158.68 Oh right okay, so. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 176.82 180.44 And uh our idea is to uh 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 190.27 197.08 to be with it, and therefore to uh to get a bigger market share and bigger audience. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 181.72 190.27 to make the new remote control device uh more user friendly than the previous one, and to to be trendier,
ES2014a H00 MEE053 197.08 205.73 So um method of doing this is uh split up as you can see into uh 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 191.27 193.14 Yeah. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 212.87 214.22 So um 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 206.92 212.87 the functional design, the conceptional design, and the detailed design. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 217.41 226.29 in each of these uh phases we'll uh basically be handing over to yourselves, the designers of this uh 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 223.86 224.15 Yes. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 229.2 236.48 And uh having uh meetings so that we can uh during the course of the day um come up with a 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 227.78 229.2 this device. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 242.21 248.01 And therefore um have a successful uh conclusion to the day. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 239.28 242.21 better better inst implement than we had before. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 248.01 248.47 Um 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 265.3 268.04 So we will um. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 274.12 277.74 I guess this is uh make sure the whiteboard works. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 262.32 265.3 Uh. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 277.74 282.2 So uh I don't know who wishes to go first. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 259.42 262.32 Try out whiteboard. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 257.33 259.42 So we've got tool training. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 250.41 257.33 and you'll be doing uh various designs uh throughout the day to meet this end. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 282.2 285.41 Do you wish to go f Have a first bash at uh whatever. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 268.04 274.12 Right so everyone's to uh supposedly uh draw their favourite animal over on the white board over there. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 254.75 256.06 Mm-hmm, okay. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 277.82 278.55 Okay. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 282.25 283.89 I don't mind. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 282.39 283.49 I dunno. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 286.2 286.95 Um. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 288.07 290.73 Ah uh. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 288.72 290.25 Let's see. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 290.25 291.74 Good job I got pockets today. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 291.77 292.82 Your microphone's just 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 297.07 297.71 I take it that 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 291.89 297.07 But now you you uh you'll move out from the microphone and the camera. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 297.1 299.27 Are we supposed to do this right now, do you think, or? 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 300.7 302.58 Or 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 299.08 300.7 I would I would guess so. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 301.98 302.56 I don't know. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 301.02 301.98 Yeah. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 301.64 303.48 You've lost uh your microphone there. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 303.55 304.2 Oh. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 304.04 306.61 Technical problems. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 306.61 310.54 I mean you designers are meant to come up with these sort of things. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 305.47 309.92 Right here we go. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 322.68 323.95 Okay. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 323.95 329.84 I think that I would have to say that my favourite animal is the cat. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 336.08 337.31 Little smiley cat there. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 339.58 341.24 Um and this would be 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 356.78 357.44 Um. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 342.73 349.81 because they're very independent, uh they're very intelligent, compared to dogs maybe. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 349.81 353.62 Um and they can be very very affectionate. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 353.62 356.78 Some people don't think so but I know very affectionate cats. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 359.65 361.67 Um and they can look after themselves. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 363.01 365.9 Next. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 366.41 367.21 I'll I'll 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 365.73 366.41 Okay, yeah. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 366.52 367.84 Shall I rub that out, actually? 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 370.49 372.14 There's plenty of space. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 368.72 370.49 I don't see as there's any need to. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 372.14 374.96 I mean whatever. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 374.17 377.04 We can have have a whole menagerie. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 376.45 376.99 Exactly. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 377.29 380.19 Shall I see if I can get across without just tangling everything. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 384.03 384.43 There's one. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 383.65 384.03 Okay. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 384.18 391.55 We've had more time to prepare over this side, so we've all stuck our bits and pieces in our pockets. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 386.68 390.26 Didn't think of that. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 392.93 395.81 'Kay uh pens are over here. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 395.81 397.6 I'll try the red pen. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 394.66 395.93 The three pens are underneath. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 400.08 400.71 Okay. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 404.13 410.36 I'm gonna go for the bear which I'm be able to draw very well, but 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 400.71 404.13 Um. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 409.96 417 You get marks for artistic impression. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 411.05 411.93 I'll have a bash at it. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 413.29 413.7 Uh. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 425.17 427.93 I think I've just knocked the microphone. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 423.06 425.17 Ooh ooh I lost it there. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 427.93 428.59 Um. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 428.54 433.08 So you're just doing the face. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 430.82 435.47 We'll g then we'll go for a a s small small bear. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 442.44 448.79 Um and I like my animal that looks nothing like a bear because um 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 450.19 456.58 I dunno maybe because there's so many cartoon characters made up after the bear like the jungle book characters and stuff like that. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 456.58 458.54 Great. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 460.6 461.03 Right. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 471.31 476.24 Um I'm gonna go for the dog, and I'm gonna draw one badly as well. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 470.84 471.31 Hello. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 476.24 476.92 Uh. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 484.67 488.57 looks like it's going to be a dachshund or something. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 496.25 498.1 That's quite good. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 504 508.01 Um I like dogs because they're very loyal. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 517.07 520.4 So um you can always have a lot of fun with a dog. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 502.76 503.31 Right. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 503.31 504 There's my dog. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 508.01 517.07 And they're always happy, so whenever whenever you're feeling sort of a bit a bit down or tired, they're always coming up and they're always um quite excited. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 524.91 527.96 And and when they're tired they're quite cute as well, so. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 520.4 522.42 And they're also good for exercise as well. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 522.42 524.91 You can sorta get out and they they sorta never get tired. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 529 530.54 Okay, that's why I like dogs. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 540.28 546.85 Well I've not actually had too many pets uh over my uh time 'cause to be honest with you uh 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 531.6 540.28 Right, um. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 552.27 552.76 Not to worry. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 552.76 561.63 So what my daughters have got at the moment is they've got uh a few fish and so hopefully um won't prove too difficult to draw. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 561.63 564.64 Uh 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 548.99 552.27 I'm not too keen on them anyway. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 583.54 596.29 And uh one of the best uh things about fish is that they don't really take uh too much looking after because uh with most of the animals if you're going away on holiday or whatever 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 581.13 583.54 Anyway um. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 596.29 601.47 you've gotta spend money or get a friend or whatever to look after them for you. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 602.99 608.99 you just gotta put the food in a a a dripper feed which feeds them over the uh couple of weeks that you're away and uh 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 576.41 581.13 As you can see that my artist artistic work is useless as well. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 601.47 602.99 Whereas if you got fish 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 610.96 615.97 change the water every couple of months, and buy in a few plants, so. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 615.97 629.73 Other than the fact that they keep dying, uh fish are uh are not are are are reasonable pets in that uh they're low maintenance. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 629.73 630 Right. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 626.51 629.41 Great. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 637.14 640.25 Right okay, so. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 633.1 637.14 Okay, uh if we're still all with us. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 641.7 643.29 Work has been done on uh 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 663.08 666.62 So we're looking to sell internationally, not just in Europe. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 666.62 677 We're looking at um having our production costs limited to uh twelve and an half Euro per unit. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 677 690.47 And therefore making a profit margin of uh well not actually a profit margin it's uh because obviously you're gonna have overheads and various other costs to uh take uh from uh 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 656.12 663.08 That information has come from our marketing manager here. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 645.16 656.12 this uh project where by um twenty five Euros is uh the uh expected uh selling price. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 655.86 656.14 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 658.79 660.27 Yeah. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 691.94 694.86 from that to give you your profit margin per unit. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 696.93 710.03 And so depending what the uh the overhead uh costs are will determine uh how many units we're uh looking to sell or projecting to sell at this point in time. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 710.03 711.36 So um 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 735.26 739.35 So uh any any thoughts? 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 719.87 720.9 New remote. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 716.42 719.87 Experience with remote control, first ideas. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 720.9 735.26 So I guess we're looking at um having a discussion at this point in time to help uh you um folks design our our new model as it were. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 733.44 734.04 Yes. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 739.49 746.75 Um I with some remote controls the buttons were a little small so they're quite hard to press so maybe we make something with uh 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 747.8 749.34 easy to press buttons. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 749.34 750.39 As that is the main function. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 751 764.45 Okay, so so basically we're looking for some um we're looking for a device that is um robust and 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 763.04 763.44 Yes. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 769.69 772.64 Um we're looking for a device 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 765.83 769.69 and therefore uh won't get damaged too easily. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 776.53 779.34 that is uh What was the other things you said there? 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 779.49 783.42 Um sort of easy to use so the buttons are accessible. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 781.48 782.09 Easy to use. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 783.93 784.7 Use. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 786.24 787.34 is easy to use and see. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 789.71 791.56 Okay. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 788.33 789.71 And see. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 791.56 793.47 Uh. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 789.08 789.44 Yes. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 795.95 797.6 Because a lot of um 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 793.75 795.95 Is this just a television remote? 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 792.66 793.75 Can I just check? 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 806.42 809.66 So if you've got a combined system, it could be a combined remote. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 802.82 806.42 And one of the most annoying things is having like five remotes in the house. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 798.97 802.82 systems are kind of T. V. video combined now, or T. V. D. V. D. combined. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 803.08 803.6 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 810.66 810.89 Mm. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 810.87 812.88 Or is it just a television that we're supposed to be doing? 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 825.64 828.68 And uh 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 816.51 825.64 But it seems to me sensible, 'cause as you rightly said, there's nothing more annoying than having three or four devices littered about the uh about the room. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 814.12 816.51 Oh I w um basically I'll get back to you on that. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 824.72 825.22 Yeah. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 831.15 832.59 So a device for 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 834.63 835.89 for all remotes. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 839.13 840.21 Sorry, you go. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 840.21 841.17 You go. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 839.39 839.52 I've 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 879.87 880.66 I don't know. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 868.59 879.87 So so I don't we need to sort of maybe think about how um we could maybe uh develop a remote control which moves around the room. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 840.77 841.34 Okay. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 841.34 841.96 Yeah. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 862.88 868.59 So whereas in the past you'd have to get up to change the channel, now you have to get up to sort of pick up the remote. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 848.82 851.7 'Cause there's quite often lots and lots. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 841.96 848.82 Um one of the things um we found from the market research is that people often get confused by the number of buttons on them as well. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 851.7 862.88 And um sometimes uh they sort of remote controls defeat their own purpose because you're sat in the chair and the remote is somewhere else in the room. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 879.32 883.41 Comes to your whistle. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 880.82 882.27 Hmm. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 882.6 887.08 That's that's maybe something for the future when you can talk to your television, but 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 886.06 887.08 Yeah. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 903.87 908.77 Whilst at the same time you want, as you rightly said, one remote for all. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 887.36 890.62 But is it in a sense it's r um mutually exclusive. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 900.49 903.87 you want any idiot to be able to use it. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 890.62 900.49 You can't have both the th the one device and then have few buttons on it to 'cause you want you want simplicity as well 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 892.08 892.59 Yeah. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 903.72 903.92 Yeah. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 909.61 909.85 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 910.04 926.39 And so these are probably mutually exclusive options that uh Hmm you could argue that experience of using devices and similar devices as people get more and more used to using remotes,
ES2014a H00 MEE053 926.39 930.87 therefore they're more with handling them, therefore you can make them more complicated as time goes on. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 914.84 915.02 Yes. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 915.92 916.16 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 927.57 928.22 Yeah. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 930.97 933.48 Maybe we could um have better instructions with the remote. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 933.48 937.73 Or are we just doing the design of the remote control itself, or sort of the instructions that would come with it? 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 937.68 941.09 Better instructions. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 941.78 942.06 Yeah. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 943.34 943.66 I mean 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 945.23 952.36 we've done some research um about sort of you know what the cutting edge sort of hand held devices are 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 957.14 967.2 So it's possible that we could devise a system where where you're you're basically sort of holding a a miniature computer which is controlling all your your sort of your television,
ES2014a H03 MEE056 952.36 957.14 and a lot of them sort of use you know they're like they're like mini laptops. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 967.2 973.76 your stereo, and where you know if you buy a new thing then it sort of you can link it to that as well, maybe. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 956.78 957.14 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 975.6 978.67 Um well we've got five minutes before the end of the meeting. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 974.53 975.6 Okay. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 982.53 987.84 Um is there Next meeting in thirty minutes. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 978.67 982.53 So uh we have to uh start winding up. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 988.72 989.22 'Kay. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 989.88 990.22 Okay. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 990.64 993.48 So um 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 995.16 1000.46 Right, so we've got I. D. the Come on, where's my 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 1000.31 1003.14 If you just click return it should be okay. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 1003.14 1004.32 It'll get rid of the message. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 1007.92 1011.49 Or not. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 1011.49 1014.17 If you hit just hit return and it should get rid of the message. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1023.55 1027.16 Oh there we go. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1027.16 1028.21 Yeah. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1028.21 1030.26 That's what I was looking for. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1031.32 1034.14 So we've got function 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1030.26 1031.32 Right. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 1026.33 1029.09 Oh you've got. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1035.59 1038.22 Oh what happened to the 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 1039.73 1043.91 Um if you grab the kind of uh slide to the left and pull it down? 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 1037.57 1039.73 I think that might be back to the start. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 1039.7 1040.09 Yeah. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 1041.8 1044.36 slide four 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 1044.98 1045.23 Yeah. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1053.54 1054.06 Right. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1062.7 1064.09 Right. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1065.64 1068.76 Okay, so we've got um the working design 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1064.09 1065.64 Sorry about that. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 1063.77 1064.09 Okay. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1077.41 1083.79 Specific instructions will be sent to you by your person by your personal coach. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1073.97 1077.41 Marketing, the user requirement specification. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1070.79 1073.97 For U. I. D. the technical functions design. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1083.79 1084.47 So. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1069.91 1070.79 for I. D. . 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1085.65 1090.39 Are we all clear what objectives we're looking to meet in the next thirty minutes? 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1090.39 1099.13 And I guess I'll try and write up some minutes of uh this meeting to uh to give it to you for the next meeting. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 1090.06 1090.3 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 1090.49 1090.9 Yes. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 1098.68 1099.38 'Kay, yes. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 1099.75 1099.96 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 1100.2 1103.43 I'm not exactly clear on what we're designing the rem remote for. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 1103.43 1108.27 Is this a mun multi-functional one or do we decide that ourselves as we go away and work on it? 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 1109.08 1114.36 I think you just said at the start it was a television remote control, so maybe we should just stick to that unless we get told otherwise. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1111.09 1112.88 Television remote control. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 1111.7 1112.26 Right. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1135.41 1139.45 We will stay here and uh and break off. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1139.45 1143.91 And I'll do minutes and and we'll see you in half and hour. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1125.27 1131.41 But at this point in time I think you're right that uh shall we make it just a T. V. . 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1131.41 1132.75 Okay? 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1146.52 1148.92 Right s 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1143.91 1146.52 Okay. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1115.1 1125.27 That's true, 'cause during during the course of our day we might make decisions based on information or meetings that would change where we're going. 
ES2014a H00 MEE053 1132.75 1135.41 So we will depart. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 1124.06 1125.19 Okay cool. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 1132.28 1132.63 'Kay. 
ES2014a H01 MEE054 1142.83 1143.32 Okay, that's great. 
ES2014a H02 FEE055 1143.14 1143.33 Okay. 
ES2014a H03 MEE056 1143.4 1144.83 Okay cheers. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 57.32 59 Right uh. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 62.7 64.34 So um. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 69.88 73.7 So where's the PowerPoint presentation? 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 76.68 78.22 Sorry? 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 81.37 83.22 Microsoft PowerPoint, right. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 91.93 92.28 So. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 88.79 91.93 Right, okay. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 97.74 98.16 Right. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 101.49 103.51 Okay, so we've got uh 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 108.64 111.36 so we've got new project requirements. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 111.36 112.16 Um. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 116.2 124.82 So basically we've got three things, and we've got forty minutes in which to uh for this meeting to uh to discuss the various options. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 124.82 125.4 Um. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 127.29 128.72 Three presentations. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 133.99 134.41 Um. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 130.86 133.99 We have a I guess we have a presentation each, 'cause I've got one. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 134.08 134.22 Yeah. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 134.19 135.54 Yeah, I've got one too. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 140.38 145.87 Um so do we want to do the presentation first, or do we want to um 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 134.79 136.16 I see, right. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 137.97 140.38 Um new project requirements. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 136.16 137.97 That's nice to know, one from each of you. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 190.56 190.94 So 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 169.32 172.48 Um we've got uh teletext outdated. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 187.32 189.72 Um. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 156.61 163.84 We discussed that last time and in actual fact that was pr pretty well what we came up with anyway. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 163.84 169.32 So in fact it actually f we won't be forestalled in a sense. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 182.11 187.32 So I I got that in email form. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 189.72 190.56 Right okay. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 177.69 182.11 Right and the corporate image was the uh final thing. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 147.4 156.61 W I I got um or or three things basically, um relating to the remote being only for T. V. . 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 172.48 177.69 Um did you get any information on that? 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 158.58 159.05 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 159.55 159.88 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 164.08 164.55 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 175.54 176.59 Uh we didn't, no. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 176.65 176.94 No. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 177.84 179.05 I d I didn't personally. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 179.07 179.45 Hmm. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 192.39 197.72 I guess if we go ahead with the uh with the three presentations. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 197.72 204.38 So we'll start with yourself on the basis that uh 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 200.99 201.79 Okay that's fine. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 204.33 208.41 I'll just um I'll grab the wire out the back of this one. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 208.54 209.34 Sorry, yep. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 236.86 238.23 Oh. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 237.61 238.11 What is it? 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 240.82 242.38 I'm not quite sure how it 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 241.28 243.35 I think you've got to do um control F. eight. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 243.9 245.95 Control 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 251.03 252.79 Doesn't seem to be quite working at the moment. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 252.55 254.97 Shift F. eight. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 256.5 257.49 Alt function F. eight. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 260.51 262.58 Again not doing anything. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 262.94 267.05 There's usually a little thing in the top right for the Oh hang on, it's just coming on. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 265.75 265.87 Oh. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 265.77 267.27 Ah there, it's doing something. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 267.13 270.25 pressed about five times now. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 278.17 279.61 Okay, that's me. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 305.87 307.97 Okay, um I have to go again. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 315.29 316.62 it going? 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 319.52 320.67 Hopefully that should be it this time. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 329.11 330.16 Okay, I think we're there. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 330.16 330.54 That's good. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 332.07 333.45 Okay, um 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 339.08 341.89 Okay I'm gonna be looking at the working design. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 353.61 359.7 And then that involves the components required in it and the systems uh design of the actual the actual remote. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 345.95 353.61 Um I've just got three sections, first is the research I made on the on the remote control itself um. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 341.89 345.95 Um of the of the remote control. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 367.99 373.06 Um I've established what the components required for the remote control to function, actually are. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 361.16 367.99 Um so having researched the existing models within the market, um I found my research off the internet. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 373.06 382.75 And then also the methods in which these components interact together for the remote to actually do what you want it to do and how it connects with the television. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 382.75 390.61 Um the basic components are an energy source which I guess um in most existing models would be a battery supply. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 413.85 416.72 And then the sender, which um 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 401.46 407.9 Um the various functions used for changing channel, uh channel up and down, volume, things like that. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 391.17 396.11 Whether that'll be sort of two batteries, four batteries, um it may vary. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 396.11 401.46 We then have the user interface, which is basically the like the the buttons on the actual remote. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 407.9 413.85 Um there's also a chip inside the remote which does all the computer type things. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 396.51 396.71 Okay. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 435.02 441.23 Um I'm gonna have to actually draw on the board because uh it was a little tricky on PowerPoint to get this working, so. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 426.86 435.02 Um and the last part is receiver which is important in the system but is not actually part of the remote itself, because that's obviously found in the television. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 418.85 426.86 is usually, I've found, an infra-red device which sends a signal to the actual television. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 442.28 443.57 I'll just go through there. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 444.84 448.32 S um um do we have a cloth to wipe this down with, or? 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 448.32 449.4 Oh I'll j 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 448.9 450.36 I think it's that little 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 449 454.99 Uh there's the rubber on the right, I think. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 454.99 458.02 it's magic. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 452.29 454.31 Oh okay. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 454.31 456.46 I'll get rid of the bear 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 451.62 452.29 Oh I see. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 462.58 463.22 Okay that's great. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 474.36 474.67 Um 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 466.18 474.36 Okay, so we start off with a um battery suppl Uh no, a power supply which we'd probably get it's probably gonna be the battery. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 476.44 477.31 we then have 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 478.82 484.19 a particular button, which may be that's obviously there's lots and lots of different buttons. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 484.19 487.14 Um but this is how the basic system works. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 487.14 490.51 Um that sends after you press that that sends the message to 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 491.2 495.44 the chip, which um then sends 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 496.74 503.2 It sort of interprets which button you've pressed and then sends the appropriate message to the sender. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 514.23 514.87 Um. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 520.47 522.79 So this is the uh user 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 516.02 517 So that's. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 517 520.47 That's the remote in itself, that's the components of the remote and how they work together. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 524.1 525.04 interface. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 528.41 534.64 Um this is the chip itself, which then, and that's the that's the infra-red 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 537.64 539.8 And then on the separate thing we have on the 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 536.45 537.64 sender. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 541.22 542.19 on the television 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 544.55 545.23 we have a 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 546.78 547.33 a receiver. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 549.54 552.76 And the sender sends a message to the receiver. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 552.76 553.2 'Kay. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 558.45 565.6 So the the top bit's the power source, yes? 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 560.49 563.49 Ah yes, that's the power source. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 563.49 564.23 Um. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 565.48 571.57 going on to personal preferences, I've said that battery seems the best option for the actual remote, just because of the size. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 581.58 584.73 If the battery's on reasonable power, they always seem to work fairly well. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 587.62 588.1 Um 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 584.73 587.62 You don't have to be point directly at the television itself. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 576.98 581.58 Um and then the sender, and infra-red um has been used quite successfully. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 571.57 576.98 You don't want a a cable attached to the remote otherwise it's not it's not really a remote. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 587.47 590.2 So the battery is the in the sender. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 590.07 590.36 Yes. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 591.88 593.74 'Kay and that's it for the moment. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 593.88 594.22 Okay. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 598.04 603.02 So, now more design. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 596.92 598.04 Okay. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 601.21 601.53 Right. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 604.37 604.78 Thank you. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 609.19 612.52 Mine's not quite as complicated as all that. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 611.79 617.15 That's what we like to hear. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 620.09 621.24 Did I press function? 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 621.24 622.96 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 630.32 634.65 Is it control function ei Oh, th there you go. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 631.25 631.4 Oh. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 638.28 642.19 I'm Louisa, the User Interface Designer, as you know. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 642.19 651.83 Um so the m basic method of this is to send a signal from the remote to the television set, so that a desired function is performed. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 634.41 638.28 Okay so I'm gonna talk a bit about the technical functions design. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 632.7 634.41 Um. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 651.83 658.87 Um an example of the function could be to change the volume up or down, uh so obviously you need two different buttons for that. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 685.14 691.39 Uh but as you can see, the left remote is quite um quite busy looking, quite complicated. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 678.88 685.14 so I think they incorporate a kind of video function which we won't have to worry about. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 691.39 697.22 Um whereas the right remote is much simpler, it looks much more user friendly. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 666.1 669.78 Um to switch the television on or off, maybe a standby button. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 673.28 678.88 Um by the look of it they both have um kind of play and fast forward, rewind functions 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 669.78 673.28 Um here are two example remotes. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 659.41 666.1 Um to change the channel, either by pressing the number that you want or by channel up or down. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 702.72 706.63 So, it's got nice big buttons, it's got a very limited number of buttons. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 706.63 709.92 Um they're nice, kinda clearly labelled. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 726.68 727.36 Um. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 698.85 702.72 Um so my personal preference would be the right remote. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 709.92 720.97 Um I like the use of the kind of um symbols like the triangles and the squares and the arrows as well as the words on the um kind of play functions and all that. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 724.82 726.68 Could maybe do with some more colour. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 720.97 724.82 So it's very very user friendly, and it's got a little splash of colour. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 727.85 730.66 Well there's a couple of things there. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 730.66 738.69 Um we have to remember that we have our own um logo and colour scheme. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 738.69 747.81 So basically we'd have to uh we'd have to be putting that on um the the product. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 747.83 748.4 Hmm. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 749.82 753.53 Will you be presenting that in a bit? 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 748.4 749.82 Do we get to see that? 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 754.21 767.25 But uh I got uh I got an email that basically said to uh make sure that uh whatever device we come up with at the end of the day had to incorporate um the corporate colour and slogan. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 749.68 754.21 I haven't as yet, no. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 767.25 774.8 So uh I'm guessing that uh uh I notice on the bottom there it's got uh 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 776.16 776.68 what's that? 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 776.68 790 A. P. O. G. E. E. that might be the corporate colour scheme, although the only the only colour I can see in that is the red. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 789.39 789.65 Hmm. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 790.51 792.8 Would you be able to get rid of the the extra buttons here,
ES2014b H01 MEE054 801.84 802.46 Possibly? 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 796.51 801.84 So we could dispense with that little bit as well and just get it down to just the numbers and the volume. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 792.8 796.51 the the sort of circular section, because that seems to be for a video as well. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 801.83 803.11 What do you mean by the circular section? 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 803.11 804.19 Like all of that bottom bit? 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 803.29 808.06 J yeah yeah yeah j yeah just this little bit is that I think that's still um a video remote part 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 808.06 809.42 so maybe we could get rid of that as well. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 807.3 807.57 Yeah. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 810.1 813.12 And I don't really think that you need nine numbers. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 815.19 818.91 I think just one to six and then channel up and down should be enough. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 809.67 810.1 Yeah. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 813.12 815.19 I mean how often do you use seven, eight and nine? 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 810.72 812.33 Well b uh w 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 828.15 833.91 and we'd have to have some room for uh future such channels. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 833.91 835.44 But but 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 819.51 828.15 Well th the on the Well uh for for general television purposes obviously you have channels one to five at this point in time 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 819.77 821.06 Like how often do you hit nine? 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 821.31 821.61 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 833.83 838.36 It's just people are used to seeing that, so if we didn't have them then they might think it's 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 836.62 847.67 But, well possibly but the the other thing is that with um the current expansion of uh channels uh in the process of taking place,
ES2014b H00 MEE053 857.67 858.95 I would have thought that uh 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 847.67 857.67 certainly the button up and down, but uh I mean how many channels do we have to um actual television channels do we have to uh prepare for? 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 881.46 885.73 So I would've thought that we wouldn't, you know, rather Okay,
ES2014b H00 MEE053 866.41 881.46 you've got the B. B. C. have come up with a further six and uh there's uh I don't know exactly how many channels there are on uh when you take into account uh Sky and various other um various others. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 859.33 866.41 it's forever expanding and at the moment we've got although you've onl you've got the five standard 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 891.09 897.68 Maybe you could have a fast forward on the on the channels that w and then you could dispense with more otherwise. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 885.73 891.09 if the time of flicking from one to other, but presumably it'll take a second 'cause you have to be able to stop it. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 897.68 901.36 Y you'd want you'd want to get fairly quickly to the channel that you wanted. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 870.53 870.89 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 877.76 878.18 Hmm. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 881.51 881.76 Hmm. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 908.84 912.96 um if that's a favourite you just like by-pass two to five. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 902.8 908.84 Um some remotes have kind of favourite options where if you always flick from channel one to channel six 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 911.68 912.53 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 914.16 922.86 I s I suppose in a sense you could have um if you've got a hundred channels then if you had sort of an easy way of getting rather than having to go one to a hundred 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 913.94 914.16 Yeah 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 934.41 936.04 Anyway. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 925.42 934.41 ten to twenty and then have a second button to get you to the actual channel you want and that would cut down your time. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 922.86 925.42 you could go one to one to ten 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 925.45 925.62 Hmm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 929.13 929.4 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 942.88 945.36 Like to get to fifty five and the higher numbers 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 934.28 935.21 Um. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 935.21 938.83 But I think a lot of um like Cable and Sky and stuff, that would be tuned to one channel 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 938.83 942.88 and then you'd have another remote for all of those channels. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 933.26 934.28 Mm. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 942.96 943.61 Okay, yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 949.76 951.98 Limit the number of buttons, user friendly. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 949.12 949.76 Okay. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 947.54 949.12 Okay. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 944.54 947.54 Whatever. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 946.45 947.14 Yeah. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 954.83 956.55 I suppose it does make a good pattern. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 952.62 954.83 But I suppose nine's not really excessive. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 954.6 961.32 I suppose with nine you've got the the like the last one which makes the tenth means you uh it's like uh multiples you can put them together so you can make any number. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 961.32 963.48 So with that we'd kind of by-pass any problems with 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 962.26 962.59 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 964.02 967.92 Well that's true, yeah, you could get fifty by five and a zero or whatever, that that makes sense. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 964.81 965.16 Yeah. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 967.85 970.32 'Cause that facilitates having all the numbers you could ever need. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 966.83 967.85 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 970.84 971.09 Yeah. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 971.49 971.85 Um. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 972.45 972.73 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 972.53 972.77 Does. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 974.16 975.05 Okay. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 974.26 977.05 So w so what was the circular thing that you were 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 977.04 980.75 Um I think that's just for a video, so we wouldn't need any of that at all. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 981.4 982.94 So we could get it down to what? 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 981.92 985.85 If it's just for T. V., which is what it is at the moment. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 986.41 986.65 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 987.3 988.65 So we get to How many buttons have we got? 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 988.65 992.97 We've just got ten, eleven twelve th We got fourteen that we need. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 992.97 993.44 I guess. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 993.81 994.11 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 995.92 999.07 That'll be quite easy to make a user guide for a fourteen button remote. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 994.65 995.92 Um which isn't really too many. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 998.08 998.35 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1013.85 1019.45 I'm I don't know d did you have that information behind the marketing, or was I meant to give you that information? 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1000.27 1013.85 Well we've we've got um that it's remote for T. V. only otherwise project would become too complex with uh which would endanger the time to market was one of the considerations. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1012.35 1012.56 'Kay. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1014.82 1015.02 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1017.65 1018.2 Um 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1019.67 1020.43 I'm not sure. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1020.43 1024.54 I had I've had some market information, but not from the company, no. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1022.92 1023.43 Right. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1031.28 1036.63 We've only got about another four hours left. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1024.93 1031.28 Right, okay, so basically time to market seems to be important, therefore speed of delivery. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1028.64 1028.85 'Kay. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1036.69 1038.75 Okay, so is everyone happy with that? 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1039.03 1040.3 Ah yes yes, that seems good. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1039.32 1039.61 Okay. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1041.33 1043.84 Right well that's the end of my presentation. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1044.54 1044.71 'Kay. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1050.98 1052.63 I'm gonna pull this off. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1085.46 1088.71 I think if you just give it a second to maybe catch up. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1087.41 1090.12 Yeah, I think she said twenty seconds to um 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1089.58 1090.06 Uh-huh. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1091.63 1092.08 Okay. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1091.97 1093.19 I'm sure we'll have by the end of today. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1097.91 1099.06 I'll give it another go. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1109.43 1110.2 Yeah, there we go. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1122.88 1128.13 And first off we should state that th the remote control's for controlling the T. V. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1116.08 1122.88 Right, we've done some research into the functional requirements that people want out of their remote control. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1129.22 1131.81 and um how do people use it? 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1134.73 1142.58 Um how d how does a remote control look and feel for them, and what improvements would would they like to remote control. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1131.81 1134.73 We asked them sort of which buttons were useful for them. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1142.58 1148.27 And we did that by sort of giving them a questionnaire that we'd prepared and asking them to fill in the answers. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1150.29 1161.21 And three quarters of them found that remote controls are ugly and that a sort of even higher proportion would spend more for a sort of s uh a fancier remote control 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1190.4 1196.86 but as soon as we got sort of over about into a thirty five to forty age forty five age group and older, 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1187.6 1190.4 And young people were quite receptive to this,
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1166.83 1176.93 the sort of setting buttons for sort of the picture picture and brightness and the audio settings, um they weren't used very often at all. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1176.93 1182.52 People concentrated on the channel buttons and the volume buttons and the power buttons. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1162.92 1166.83 And that of all the buttons on the remote control,
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1182.52 1187.6 Uh we also asked them about speech recognition uh for remote control. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1230.66 1232.46 Okay, so 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1200.93 1206.81 There's a lot more th there's a lot lot more older people who didn't know whether they wanted it or not as well. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1197.44 1200.93 people people weren't quite so keen on speech recognition. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1223.2 1230.66 it was difficult to learn um all the buttons and all the functions, and to find your way around it. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1218.55 1223.2 And the second second biggest frustration what that if they got a new remote control,
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1206.81 1218.55 Um we also asked what frustrated people about remote controls and the number one frustration was that the remote was lost somewhere else in the room and that they couldn't find it. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1268.38 1275.13 Um and maybe we could think about speech recognition as well, because um sort of young people are 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1244.63 1249.65 Um and that we should come up with fewer buttons than most of the controls on the market,
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1249.65 1258.64 and we should sort of concentrate on the channels and sort of power, and also volume and that sort of thing, as as Louisa said. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1243.32 1244.63 basically. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1233.33 1243.32 My personal preferences from the marketing is that we need to come up with some sort of sleek sort of good looking high high-tech A design which looks high-tech 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1258.64 1266.64 Um we could maybe come up with a menu, a sort of a an L. C. D. menu for other functions on the remote control. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1266.64 1268.38 That's worth thinking about. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1276.26 1281.86 perhaps the ones that are gonna buy buy our new product if we aim it at sort of you know sort of a high-tech design. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1283.22 1285.73 That that might be the market that we're we're looking for. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1306.38 1309.31 Okay um, and that's the end of the slide show. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1287.25 1293.6 And we could maybe think about using speech recogniti recognition as a way to find the remote control if it's lost in a room 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1309.31 1310.09 That's it. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1310.09 1310.28 Cool. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1299.63 1306.38 'Cause there's a problem with that in that the television makes noise, so it could end up talking to itself and changing its channel. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1293.6 1299.63 rather than sort of um having it to speech recognition to change the channels. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1304.84 1305.11 Mm. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1311.52 1312.76 Do a lot of um 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1314.85 1316.74 Speech recognition, right okay. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1316.74 1320.21 But that was only for young people that preferred it, older people didn't. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1311.57 1314.85 What was that last wee bit there? 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1313.4 1316.2 Um about speech recognition? 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1316.2 1316.51 Yeah. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1326.89 1331.6 people got less and less interested in sort of a a remote control that you could talk to, so. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1320.02 1321.2 Youn young people pref Yeah 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1321.2 1326.89 they s they said that they'd be interested in a remote control which offered that possibility and as you go up through the age groups,
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1332.23 1333.5 No what I maybe think is um 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1334.92 1339.84 it seems the technology would be quite advanced for that and they might end up costing more than our twelve fifty budget for 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1339.7 1340.75 Yeah. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1340.75 1340.94 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1340.05 1340.85 Well that's right. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1340.37 1342.61 for the speech recognition. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1342.61 1343.04 Um. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1342.15 1342.33 Yeah. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1344.12 1349.73 And possibly the thing about the about the remote being lost we could have You know with your mobile phone, you lose that and you can ring it. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1354.38 1360.83 So you can press a button which is always kept in one place and then it maybe buzzes to somewhere else, wherever the remote actually is. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1349.73 1354.38 Maybe we can have some kind of sensor which is kept somewhere where you can some kind of buzzer system between the two. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1354.07 1354.4 Yeah. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1357.19 1357.49 Uh-huh. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1358.85 1359.12 Yeah. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1361.22 1367.74 Yeah, we'd have t that would mean we'd have to put two products together as well, which which again would probably be a bit expensive, but 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1364.82 1365.82 That is true, yes. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1367.02 1367.26 Hmm. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1367.88 1374.17 There's key rings um that you kind of whistle at or clap at, I can't remember, and then they whistle back, or something like that. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1374.17 1375.87 That'd probably be really simple, they're cheap. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1371.64 1371.98 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1373.97 1374.84 Sounds reasonable. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1374.1 1374.35 Yeah. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1375.96 1376.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1376.12 1376.46 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1378.24 1379.05 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1379.05 1379.69 So 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1378.24 1382.94 So I guess it'd be something we could like attach to the or like the same technology could be put inside the 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1394.77 1396.38 But if you 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1383.67 1391.82 Well if you're trying to avoid having a second product 'cause obviously you could have a second product that gave you the right pitch which would set the remote off to say here I am sort of thing 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1391.82 1394.77 you know without sound recognition. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1383.88 1384.57 inside the remote. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1398.3 1398.84 I know. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1398.84 1403.43 Um I was gonna say a sharp noise, you know a clapping of hand or whatever. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1405.1 1411.26 You'd want to try and av just have the one product that if 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1409.01 1409.29 Yeah. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1412.29 1416.88 Yeah if we if we could have it in the actual remote like everything in one one device. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1412.8 1413.02 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1415.43 1415.69 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1428.64 1431.57 a set command whatever that happened to be. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1431.57 1435.9 But you've then got the point if if you're not going with uh voice recognition then 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1417.39 1428.64 Um I dunno um talking about vo I mean obviously if you've got voice recognition then you can do it in that way because it'll recognise the voice and you can give it a command 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1416.52 1417.39 Yeah. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1430.84 1431.12 Yeah. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1435.82 1437.95 you could have an option to turn it off. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1437.95 1438.43 Or 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1435.86 1436.04 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1439.78 1441.25 Perhaps, um. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1441.56 1442.07 Yeah. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1442.35 1446.14 So that would solve the problems with the T. V. kind of speaking to the remote and changing its own channels. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1447.21 1452.7 So uh Any sugges Well, any conclusions? 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1445.78 1447.21 Mm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1460.08 1460.62 Considering 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1453.02 1460.08 Um would it take quite a while to sort of develop the speech recognition software in the remote control? 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1459.81 1459.98 Mm. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1462.63 1471.14 It's that simple, because we've got uh th th three um primary um uh requisites from uh 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1460.24 1462.63 Well if it does then we can't. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1462.31 1462.49 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1472.48 1480.11 from and email uh that was sent to me whereby we had The design logo was one, which we've already mentioned. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1487.66 1494.96 And the uh third thing was that um teletext uh as far as uh the management is concerned 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1494.96 1499.52 um is becoming dated uh due to the popularity of the internet. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1480.11 1487.66 We've got um the remote was only for the television and not for because that would make it too complex and we have to get it market quickly. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1487.04 1487.28 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1500 1500.63 Okay. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1538.12 1539.9 S 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1510.76 1523.12 So we're being focused effectively directly at a television and it seems to me that the management is uh wanting us to go down a narrow path and not opening out. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1523.12 1526.31 So anything that uh is to be added 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1500.02 1510.76 So that means that uh so these are the sort of three um extra parameters that have been put on this uh project. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1526.31 1538.12 such as voice recognition et cetera has to be very simple and has to be very quick because time to market is is critical. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1500.1 1500.49 'Kay. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1510.18 1510.45 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1516.14 1516.55 Yes. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1528.76 1530.09 Has to be simple enough to 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1537.18 1543.67 I suppose if we could get something in which was quite quick and simple that would give us an advantage over the other remotes. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1543.67 1544.11 Um. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1537.58 1537.84 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1542.92 1544.74 It would. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1544.74 1549.2 But probably quick and simple is primary rather than 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1549.65 1550.45 'Kay. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1551.46 1559.42 Added extras would be nice, but the primary consideration is to get the project finished within uh this short time window 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1550.68 1551.46 added extras. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1559.42 1562.71 which effectively now is sort of four hours. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1562.71 1566.58 So and if and we've gotta get to the end. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1566.58 1573.03 Uh d d I think I think first and foremost we've gotta get to the end and then get to the end with um added extras if possible. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1559.4 1559.6 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1573.33 1573.5 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1573.57 1573.82 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1574.89 1578.87 Okay. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1578.87 1583.95 Right okay, uh so I need to 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1578.16 1578.94 So 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1587.04 1587.74 Right. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1592.9 1599.01 But we have to make the decisions on uh the remote control functions 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1587.74 1592.9 So I don't know how long we have left of our uh time. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1593.29 1594.29 About five minutes. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1600.18 1605.8 and how we were planning to proceed so that at the next uh meeting 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1615.8 1623.47 We'll also know w when the next meeting is I um so we'll know how long we've got to complete that task. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1626.23 1630.45 we've achieved this or we haven't achieved this, this is how far we've progressed. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1630.45 1635.15 Does that make reasonable sense? 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1623.47 1626.23 And then we can report back at the next meeting and say right okay yes,
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1635.15 1642.97 So we have to come effectively to the decision on the remote functions so that you can decide what you're gonna be doing. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1607.08 1615.8 each person that's got a a a task to do is clear from this meeting what that task is. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1610.72 1611.08 Yes. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1613.19 1613.44 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1615.79 1616.48 Um. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1630.54 1630.8 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1633.28 1634.28 Yes that seems right. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1633.78 1633.99 Yeah. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1633.88 1634.67 Okay, yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1649.2 1661.06 if you get any additional information that uh only you have at that point in time you'd think would be relevant to other people in terms of their des decision making um process 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1643.88 1649.2 And if dur between the time of this meeting finishing and the next meeting starting 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1661.06 1666.17 then we should communicate that as quickly as possible and not wait until the next meeting. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1654.5 1654.88 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1663.58 1663.78 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1689.75 1690.59 Okay. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1674.1 1678.38 Come along with it in the next meeting, we can discuss it then and take whatever action is appropriate. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1678.38 1680.44 But if you get it well before the next meeting 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1666.27 1674.1 Do it via the email so that rather than coming you know If you get the information just before the next meeting that's fine. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1680.44 1689.75 let everybody else know 'cause that might have an impact on their uh on what they come up with effectively at the next meeting. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1667.04 1667.92 Okay. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1667.92 1668.09 Yep. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1676.67 1677.14 Okay. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1684.21 1684.43 Yeah. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1690.55 1690.76 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1692.14 1693.28 Right, is there 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1696.31 1696.4 S 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1693.94 1696.31 So do we need to decide on the functions now? 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1696.91 1699.57 I would guess so. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1708.85 1711.46 'Cause that'll solve kind of the frustration of losing it. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1700.39 1708.85 Well I think it'd be really easy and it'd be a big advantage if we did have some sort of um kind of whistle back kind of function. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1706.97 1707.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1708.45 1708.97 Yeah and 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1711.73 1715.04 Yeah and that was that was the number one sort of frustration that people said, so. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1713.96 1714.99 Yep. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1716.26 1718.8 I don't think there's anything else on the market that does that, so. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1719 1719.32 Yeah. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1720.96 1723.64 I don't really know about the voice recognition thing. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1725.46 1727.8 I w well uh i 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1728.18 1732.52 Maybe we should concentrate just on the whistle back function at the moment, and if something comes back 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1730.36 1731.32 Something simple. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1736.54 1746.64 you want something to meet the major concerns of the consumer so that we can have that as a selling point for the product, something that's quick and simple. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1746.64 1747.9 So, sounds good. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1731.32 1736.54 Uh if if our primary consideration is to get it there in time, time's short,
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1740.04 1740.28 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1741.84 1742.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1747.18 1749.78 And that wouldn't put off the kind of older generation either,
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1749.78 1753.89 'cause everyone can whistle or clap, and they wouldn't have to be kind of scared of this new technology. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1746.28 1747.18 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1769.34 1773.32 Well If you think that more people can whistle than clap then that's fine, then go for that option,
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1764.09 1769.34 you want something that's easy to do, now something that doesn't like whis uh Well I I I don't know. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1773.32 1780.19 but if I would have thought that more people could clap rather than whistle, so uh so clap option. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1753.44 1764.09 Well, so maybe a clap rather than a whistle would be On the basis that if we've got if we're catering to the whole age range,
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1754.45 1754.8 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1766.88 1769.77 No not everyone can whistle, can they, though? 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1776.82 1777.21 Yeah. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1773.92 1776.82 No, clapping, I think clapping, yeah. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1774.54 1776.6 I'd go more Yeah, f more for clap. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1779.92 1780.38 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1789.74 1790.26 Okay. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1790.56 1793.24 'Kay we've already decided that we don't need a teletext button, haven't we? 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1795.45 1801.13 Ef effectively that's what the that's what they're saying, that uh if uh if people are now using the internet then you don't need teletext 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1801.13 1803.9 so so take out teletext. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1794.2 1795.45 Uh. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1795.17 1795.9 Is that one of the 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1798.24 1798.51 Hmm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1800.99 1802.95 Taking out teletext, okay. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1804.74 1813.4 Did we decide on having the ten um the ten numbers and then the the little digit next to it which kind of enabled you to put them together. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1805.01 1805.37 Right. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1809.81 1811.66 Yeah, I think so, so zero to nine. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1812.2 1812.35 Mm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1819.55 1822.97 so you can press any two and it'll sort of put them together. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1813.69 1819.55 I think nowadays you can just get ones where it gives you a sort of a second or two to press another number 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1819.49 1819.73 Yeah. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1823.4 1826.32 Okay, ten numbers and then some kind of device to allow uh 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1826.78 1827.12 Yeah. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1827.94 1831.41 I'll put delay to allow um multiple numbers. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1829.81 1830.03 Yeah. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1832.89 1833.79 Or multiple digits. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1834.34 1834.49 Yeah. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1837.8 1841.65 Did we decide anything about um the other functions? 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1846.31 1848.07 You had an had an idea about the menu? 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1841.65 1846.31 As in setting the audio and tuning it and stuff like that? 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1848.69 1856.2 Uh we could possibly put an L. a sort of a L. C. D. menu in, but that again is probably an expense that 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1860.53 1862.84 but you have to be able to tune it that once. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1856.33 1860.53 But just thinking um people probably I mean you don't have you only have to probably tune in the T. V. once 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1866.46 1867.94 You can't really avoid that. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1867.94 1870.45 Except the new digital markets which do it by themselves. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1862.84 1866.46 So and if finally the T. V. breaks, you get a new one, you're gonna have to be able to tune it. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1862.13 1862.41 Yeah. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1867.01 1867.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1867.57 1867.74 Hmm. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1867.74 1868.1 No. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1871.33 1871.61 Yeah. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1871.62 1873.15 So that'll be in 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1880.54 1885 But at the moment it's not, so it seems to me that you have to have a device that caters 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1885 1890.18 'cause otherwise it would make it uh your device would become inoperable 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1904.75 1907.53 so we're not really going for something that's uh 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1871.91 1880.54 But the but that's relying on the television market changing to an automatic and if it is at the moment, that's fine. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1890.18 1904.75 or only operable in certain circumstances and the idea is to have an international market which is And it's also m it's the the product we've got is something that's at the I would have said the lower end of the s of the cost scale 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1876.65 1877.28 Yes. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1885.17 1885.51 Yeah. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1890.13 1890.41 Yeah. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1892.55 1893.34 Yeah yeah. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1893.42 1893.56 Mm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1896.79 1897.1 Yeah. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1904.77 1905.01 Yeah. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1908.63 1909.92 I s I suppose um 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1909.44 1910.58 terribly high-tech. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1911.28 1918.32 if people are buying remotes, then they're probably buying it to replace another remote 'cause all most tellies come with remotes, so. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1918.32 1927.02 I mean we're maybe talking about replacing remotes for slightly older televisions, so we maybe need to keep the the tuning function in. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1915.86 1916.41 Possibly. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1918.33 1918.77 That's right. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1926.58 1927.24 Yeah. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1927.24 1928.58 So how would this menu function work? 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1928.58 1934.78 Would you maybe have like one menu button, then you'd use the other buttons, maybe the number buttons to actually do the separate functions. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1927.06 1927.31 Yeah. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1935 1936.4 Yeah, that would be a good idea, yeah. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1935.35 1936.62 Yeah, like the volume or something. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1936.89 1937.22 Okay. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1938.45 1941.93 Yeah, 'cause you do need um kind of brightness and contrast and everything as well. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1941.93 1947.14 My dad was watching a film the other week and it was too dark, so I had to go through it and turn the brightness up. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1942.05 1942.23 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1955.99 1966.89 to guide Presu uh I think it'd be quite hard just for people to grasp um just off like the menu use different buttons you maybe have to have like some better instructions of how that would actually work. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1947.39 1955.99 we're gonna have the the individual numbers and then a menu function and maybe sort of a slightly more advanced um instruction booklet to come with it 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1947.66 1947.83 Hmm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1965.88 1966.27 Uh 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1978.47 1984.24 you know each of them could have a number and then also a function written next to it, so you're basically pressing 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1967.35 1975.74 I'm not sure whether the sort of having people have a booklet 'cause one the second most annoying thing that people found was having to learn the new one. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1975.74 1978.47 So maybe next to each of the buttons,
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1974.96 1976.17 Right, okay um. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1987.56 1993.38 and there was the one on the left hand side which had all like the double functions and stuff which kind of looked too busy and had too much on it 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1993.38 1993.57 so. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 1984.83 1987.56 that also goes back to the original design when we saw those two 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1992.72 1992.91 Right. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 1994.63 1994.97 Okay. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2003.32 2006 So you don't use it that much, you don't have to see it all the time. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1994.95 1998.38 Well, if we're trying to keep it slee sleek and sexy as well,
ES2014b H02 FEE055 1998.38 2003.32 have you seen those remotes where kind of um the bottom bit slides down, so there's kind of um everything else revealed? 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2006 2007.43 But it's all there if you need it. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1995.11 1996.21 Okay, well. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 1998.87 1999.69 Mm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2001.72 2001.95 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2016.69 2019.21 I don't know if you've got the same. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2020.21 2031.57 So so keep um keep detailed functions um hidden at the back. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2010.16 2016.69 So you keep um Right we've got five minutes before we wind up this meeting, so I've been told. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2002.61 2010.16 So y Ah That's a very good idea. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2019.21 2020.21 Okay. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2008.62 2009.95 Sor sort of a second. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2006.72 2008.62 That is that is a good idea actually. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2006.93 2008.3 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2011.8 2012.77 Like a hidden panel. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2016.61 2017.09 Okay. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2018.52 2020 Uh not quite, but I guess. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2022.1 2024.07 Keep the other buttons but hide them away. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2032.24 2032.75 Hmm. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2040.08 2043.65 but he can pretty much read a button if it's displayed properly. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2032.75 2040.08 And that'll be better for the older generation as well 'cause, well my dad doesn't like anything that you've got to kinda flick through a menu 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2037.68 2038.65 Ah. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2040 2040.22 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2042.09 2042.96 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2042.18 2042.51 So 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2042.21 2042.35 Yeah. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2049.63 2052.67 So we're gonna have like two separate two separate lists, I guess. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2044.02 2049.63 So um we're gonna have to have to work out what's gonna be on these other functions as as well. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2049.78 2050.12 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2050.79 2051.78 That's right. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2053.01 2053.34 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2056.42 2058.67 Can bring out when needed. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2054.12 2056.42 data functions hidden at back. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2056.07 2057.14 So th the 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2058.63 2064.26 The detailed ones would be sort of brightness, uh sorta 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2062.64 2063.06 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2063.92 2069.36 That's right so we're dis So you've got which ones are gonna be on the front and which ones are gonna be on the back. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2069.36 2070.71 We have to decide. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2068.9 2069.66 So sh 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2070.94 2072.7 Should we decide in the next couple of minutes, and then 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2071.13 2071.36 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2072.84 2073.01 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2073.26 2074.23 I guess so. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2074.75 2075.64 So on the 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2076.54 2078.66 So on front, 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2078.59 2080.37 about the number. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2081.27 2082.81 numbers, 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2083.87 2086.08 Um the volume up and down. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2084.39 2085.1 And the volume? 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2085.17 2087.46 volume. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2087.8 2089.07 Shall we have a mute button as well? 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2087.91 2088.28 Um. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2089.75 2090.12 Sorry? 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2090.15 2091.12 A mute button as well. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2091.09 2091.44 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2092.34 2092.98 Mm. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2093.17 2093.66 Yeah. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2093.66 2094.2 Or 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2093.54 2094.52 Yeah I think they're handy. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2095.34 2098.03 And probably a power one as well. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2094.78 2095.34 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2098.03 2098.65 Dunno. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2102.77 2104.01 I know it's probably like um 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2113.51 2115 Have you seen the adverts? 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2120.53 2122.89 Like we should maybe try to discourage people from standby. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2115 2116.79 Like if you boil the kettle that's full that's a waste. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2116.79 2120.53 If you leave your telly on standby it powers Blackpool for a certain amount of time. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2105.69 2113.51 not an issue to raise here, but um the whole thing about not using your standby uh because of the like waste of electricity. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2115.21 2115.37 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2116.53 2116.73 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2116.58 2117.42 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2123.08 2125.15 But then they might not buy it if they haven't got one. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2125.15 2127.28 'Cause people might just be too fickle and not want to change. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2125.21 2125.53 Yeah. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2125.64 2130.65 Yeah, it's maybe too much of a big issue for here. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2130.65 2131.67 Uh-oh danger sign. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2127.62 2129.63 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2127.84 2132.79 So so are you having the stand-by on the front, then? 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2128.33 2131.32 We can send out a flier with the device saying that you shouldn't leave it on stand-by. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2132.79 2133.64 I think you probably should. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2136.82 2140.44 Compromise. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2133.87 2136.82 Yeah, but a little bit smaller. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2135.66 2138.6 Okay. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2137.75 2139.23 Well. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2139.08 2141.85 Um are we gonna have the channel up and down as well as the number buttons? 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2142.32 2149.21 Um 'cause yeah the market research said there is quite a lot of people do just zap around and flick, so. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2148.19 2149.5 Okay, so we'll have um 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2149.46 2149.63 Right. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2152.48 2156.21 So we've got ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen there? 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2157.54 2157.92 Um. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2157.88 2158.73 Channel up and down. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2158.73 2160 What else have we got? 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2160 2160.85 What was that, sixteen? 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2160.66 2162.31 Numbers is ten, volume is 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2164.05 2168.42 twelve, th Yeah si One up, one down. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2165.25 2166.08 Volume button. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2166.08 2166.94 How many volumes? 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2168.94 2169.88 Right okay. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2171.67 2172.21 On mute. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2173.94 2175.02 That's sixteen isn't it, yeah. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2173.1 2173.94 And a mute, yeah. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2176.27 2176.78 Um. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2175.11 2176.27 Is there anything else? 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2178.69 2179.64 I don't think so, no. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2180.42 2184.63 Power button, stand-by, channel, up and down. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2184.63 2185.29 So is that it? 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2185.56 2186.35 so. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2186.82 2187.84 Okay. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2187.84 2190.02 That's sixteen buttons, you reckon. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2190.02 2191.62 And then at the back? 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2192.92 2193.41 You've got 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2194.53 2197.01 brightness and contrast. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2198.31 2199.59 Maybe if we're gonna run out of time 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2199.59 2204.73 one of us should come up with a list of these and then get back at the next meeting just at the start and say what they're gonna be. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2198.34 2199.06 And then 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2205.71 2206.67 So on the back 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2204.77 2205.71 Okay. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2205.3 2205.52 Yeah. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2205.73 2205.96 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2212.19 2215.48 You're also gonna have the channel tuner, as it were. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2207.91 2212.19 it'll have brightness, contrast, anything else? 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2212.12 2213.88 Uh there's audio functions. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2214.82 2215.41 Yeah. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2215.28 2217.37 So tuner up and down, I guess. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2218.08 2218.4 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2219.71 2222.23 Tuner, would that have up and down? 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2221.64 2225.64 Um up Tune one way, tune the o I I dunno I dunno possibly. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2222.98 2223.92 I think they normally do. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2223.9 2226.77 okay. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2226.77 2227.13 Okay. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2224.84 2225.01 Yeah. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2225.35 2225.71 Yeah. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2228.79 2230.53 And then maybe sort of an enter button for 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2238.23 2243.53 So you go up and down and then it pick it finds something and then you wanna press enter to select it, yeah. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2232.56 2238.23 sort of s you know, saying that you want that particular thing tuned in. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2239.6 2241.77 Oh yeah and th and a enter button just to select. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2241.77 2242.44 Yeah, okay. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2247.67 2250 Um I guess we're keeping s it simple. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2250 2254.26 We don't really need any other audio funct uh functions because it's just volume up, volume down. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2253.85 2255.53 Um up volume, yeah, I would have thought so. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2255.51 2255.81 Um. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2256.09 2256.44 Yeah. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2257.39 2258.4 So I think um 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2260.15 2264.09 there's quite a lot of like Dolby surround studio, surround sort of things. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2264.39 2264.76 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2264.83 2265.11 Okay. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2264.83 2270.88 Do they have their own do they have their own controls on their actual products, then, or do you have to do it via the remote? 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2264.89 2266.98 Um maybe for the younger market. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2271.69 2275.37 Um I think they've got their own controls in this kind of like hidden panel. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2275.42 2279.21 Yeah I suppose if we've got their if they've got their own controls then we can avoid it for ours just to keep it simple. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2279.5 2279.83 Yeah. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2278.31 2279.5 Yeah. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2288.84 2291.42 I just know they're something to do with Dolby. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2280.42 2286.54 Oh no, I mean um like there's kind of individual buttons for them, like on the T. V. remote. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2286.54 2288.84 But I don't really know what they're for, I've never used them. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2283.44 2283.87 Oh, okay. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2285.81 2286.03 Right. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2286.46 2286.59 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2288.76 2289.17 Um. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2290.28 2293.29 Maybe unless something comes up then we should I think 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2292.32 2295.69 Well you might get some research. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2296.67 2299.21 Well shall we look into that and just get back together. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2300.42 2304.6 Right so I'll do the minutes of uh this meeting. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2309.42 2313.17 Um forty minutes, I believe is the time. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2304.6 2309.42 And we'll meet back at I'm not sure. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2299.42 2300.42 Okay. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2299.59 2300.16 Okay. 
ES2014b H02 FEE055 2300.3 2300.39 Right. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2300.96 2301.1 Right. 
ES2014b H01 MEE054 2313.11 2313.32 'Kay. 
ES2014b H03 MEE056 2314.98 2317.39 Okay. 
ES2014b H00 MEE053 2316.71 2317.31 Come on. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 91.2 91.89 Okay. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 112.68 113.14 Right. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 121.3 123.83 Right. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 118.01 121.3 Conceptual design meeting. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 123.83 126.97 Okay, so 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 135.78 141.84 but uh it didn't work out too well, so maybe in sort of um 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 129.18 135.78 Right well um from the last meeting I was trying to send you the minutes,
ES2014c H00 MEE053 143.38 146.8 quick summary of the last uh meeting, I can 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 148.12 149.46 quickly give you 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 152.91 155.62 what we what we had. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 155.62 159.6 Uh right, so 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 165.63 178.58 Wishing I hadn't closed the damn Right so we had the fact that we're gonna have the the logo uh the company logo in its uh colour scheme incorporated onto the the device the remote device. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 178.58 182.35 We had uh made our decisions about uh 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 184.69 186.6 made our decisions about uh 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 189.98 192.78 the device itself, that it was gonna be simple to make it uh 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 204.7 209.93 and then the uh the backup features on the second page so that it could uh 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 194.02 196.27 enable us to complete the project in time. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 196.27 204.7 We're gonna have uh effectively two pages, a front page which had the uh features that the uh the customers most wanted 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 212.8 215.06 meet the technical requirements. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 219.85 220.38 So. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 215.06 219.85 And the customers wouldn't have to look at them too often, only as and when required. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 224.08 229.3 So basically what decisions uh have we uh made? 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 229.3 231.45 Uh have there been any uh changes? 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 232.04 235.32 I think we all have a presentation again, so if we go through those and then um 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 233.87 234.23 Right. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 234.29 234.48 Yeah. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 237.38 240.37 So Yeah, fine. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 235.56 237.38 Three presentation, yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 235.79 240.07 Shall I go first again? 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 239.78 240.01 Okay. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 249.18 252.14 I see this a little more smoothly than the last one. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 288.06 289.3 Okay right, let's get started. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 289.3 289.95 Um 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 293.36 296.97 basically the uh for the Um I'll back actually. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 311.81 316.07 Then there is a chip and still the sender. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 306.77 311.81 We still have the user interface which is all the buttons we're gonna incorporate. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 316.07 320.45 So um yes including the power s supply as well. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 320.45 325.1 Um I'll go on to my findings in each of these areas. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 298.56 306.77 For the components design, um next step is basically the the way the remote's gonna work is still the same idea as before. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 325.1 330.07 Uh first in the power supply, we have the option of just the standard battery, 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 348.96 352.65 um it just requires a small amount of movement which would mean the batteries wouldn't have to be replaced. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 335.4 342.01 Any of you think of kind of like the the old torches which you wind up um. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 333.25 335.4 There's a dynamo. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 330.85 333.25 um. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 342.01 348.96 There's a kinetic option, which if any of you've seen those new watches which you kind of you power up by waving around 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 383.24 391.21 This says it's uh similar to uh the button on the mouse for a normal for like uh like modern computer. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 356.43 358.42 And then there's solar cells. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 353.49 356.43 Um that's one option, but I think that was gonna cost a little more. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 370.99 377.04 So I guess for the ease of for quickness and ease we should take them from at least like one of these options. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 377.04 383.24 Um so for the buttons there's an integrated push button, which I guess is just the same as the standard ones. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 358.42 361.41 Um as a final option. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 391.21 392.85 Um there's a scroll wheel 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 361.41 370.99 For the buttons, we have um an integrated push button, which is Oh just to say all all these are um supplied by Real Reaction. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 353.93 354.26 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 377.07 377.66 Okay. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 393.89 399.47 which is you know the new mouse has just got like the centre section which you can scroll up and down, which may be for the volume. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 407.49 413.06 if we use rubber buttons then it requires a rubber case, so we have to take that into consideration. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 402.64 407.49 Um one issue for the buttons is, depending on which material we use,
ES2014c H01 MEE054 413.06 415.33 Um moving on to the printed s 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 399.47 402.64 You could do do that. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 399.65 400.16 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 400.32 400.56 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 414.53 416.68 What would be the cost do do we know? 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 427.08 429.18 Um which is the next section. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 423.05 427.08 that that related to the actual buttons, but it does affect the printed circuit board. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 446.41 449.45 So if we've got the scroll wheel for one of the buttons 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 449.45 455.9 that would require a slightly more advanced circuit board than if we just had a standard um push button. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 438.42 444.39 The firm supplies a simple, a regular and an advanced um circuit board. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 444.39 446.41 And there's different prices according to each. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 429.18 438.42 Basically for the circuit board which is the middle, it's just see it down there the chips like the like the workings of the actual um of the remote. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 417.04 423.05 Um that's on the next I th I think the there wasn't too much difference in the cost,
ES2014c H00 MEE053 434.33 434.81 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 452.26 452.95 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 492.66 497.82 And this would avoid batteries running out, having to replace batteries and such like. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 497.82 505.97 Um for the buttons, I thought we'd probably get away with just having the standard um push buttons rather than the scroll wheel. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 476.58 479 There is th sorry an extra cost in that sense. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 479 481.1 Um going to my personal preferences 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 481.1 492.66 um I thought possibly for power we could use kinetic um which is the idea of the watches um that you move you move the remote around to power it up. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 461.3 470.18 There's a small unit available through the company um which obviously would be an extra cost, but it wouldn't affect the size of the remote too much. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 457.03 461.3 Um one final thing we came up with was some information on the speech recognition. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 470.18 476.58 Um and I guess that would require a more advanced circuit board, so there is an extra price in that sense. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 507.22 513.9 Um and for the circuit board, again depends on which features we want in the actual in the remote. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 513.9 521.55 So if we wanted the scroll wheel and wanted the voice recognition, um then we'd have to get a a more costly circuit board. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 521.55 521.92 And that's it. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 527.33 527.57 'Kay. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 530.54 535.17 with the printed circuit boards you were going for the 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 531.11 532.67 Thanks. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 543.15 545.75 Uh but I don't know, so that is something I'll have to look into. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 542.1 543.15 I'm guessing. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 535.47 542.1 Um i it kind of depends um if we're gonna have the speech recognition, we'd have to probably get an advanced one. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 542.84 543.25 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 544.97 546.66 But are we going f R right. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 548.75 549.28 Um. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 546.5 548.75 Um that's a that's a decision for all of us. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 568.24 572.62 The other way would be to do the presentation and then make the decision at that point in time. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 550.66 557.49 So are we able to make that decision now in a sense that this is the point at which we're discussing that issue 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 557.49 568.24 so would it not be best to rather than I mean one way is to do each of the presentations and then make decisions going back to the various presentations as they were. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 552.05 552.99 Yeah yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 557.63 557.84 Yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 556.16 557.63 We decide. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 556.27 556.52 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 569.77 570.17 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 573.89 574.29 Maybe w 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 572.84 573.89 Um. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 573.88 576.16 Yeah, that's probably a better one, to discuss it straight away. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 576.79 579.24 'Cause at that point then you've got the details up there 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 579.24 586.96 so if we wanted to know for instance that the scroll wheel required the regular and what required advance. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 586.96 593.34 Then if we were able to see that down then we could make the decision at that point in time and then that would be the end of that issue. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 593.34 595.29 Does that make sense? 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 587.85 588.28 Um. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 593.52 594.08 Yes. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 595.29 597.84 Um I have a lot of the information there. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 597.84 598.79 It might not be very clear. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 595.9 596.37 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 601.73 602.52 Is there 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 602.16 603.7 Unless you want to plug it back in to yours. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 604.34 605.12 Um. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 606.16 607.49 We could do, yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 607.49 610.1 Um yeah we should. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 618.82 622.84 As I say it only specified that we need a more advanced circuit board for the scroll wheel 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 627.04 627.54 Um. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 622.84 627.04 it didn't The voice recognition came as a separate piece of information. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 623.12 623.89 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 627.23 629.77 No the scroll wheel required the regular, so the 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 629.72 631.42 Yeah if if you down um. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 631.67 632.51 Hmm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 632.79 634.44 It's just this bit at the bottom which I've highlighted,
ES2014c H01 MEE054 634.44 639.86 but the scroll wheel requires a mini m minimally a regular chip, which is in the higher price range. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 642.37 649.63 The display requires an advanced chip the display requires an advanced chip which in turn is more expense. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 640.59 642.37 Okay. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 642.23 644.6 I think the scroll wheel um 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 649.91 651.47 Um but that bit 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 647.11 649.91 Also the display's for something else which we decided against. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 653.52 653.98 Okay. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 655.22 660.28 And note that the push button just requires a simple chip, so that would keep the price down. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 659.73 660.17 Down. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 666.05 671.3 I I've got um pictures well I've seen pictures with it kind of sticking off the side of it, and they don't really look great. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 660.68 666.05 Yeah, and if we're going for sleek and sexy, I think a scroll wheel is maybe a bit kinda bulky? 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 661.03 661.57 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 672.3 673.04 Okay. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 670.34 672.3 Right. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 671.83 672.04 'Kay. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 672.62 676.34 So maybe just a simple push button, and that would cut costs on the 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 679.56 684.64 So is um 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 674.64 675.72 So. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 675.72 679.56 So we're going for p Okay. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 690.05 692.96 So are we going for the w are we going for the simple one, are we? 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 693.19 695.77 Yeah, a simple pushbuttons. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 694.18 694.45 Okay. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 694.45 696.94 Simple push button. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 698.63 702.47 The um it was basically what we said before, the idea that you record in a set 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 695.64 698.63 Did everyone get this on the speech recognition? 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 707.72 710.54 So it is basically the concept we discussed before. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 703.12 707.72 message, and then it picks up that message um and replies to you. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 710.54 716.3 Um but then we don't know for sure whether it would require a more complicated circuit board. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 716.3 719.25 I'm guessing it would, but got like the definite information. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 719.25 721.16 Maybe we should go on what we're certain of rather than 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 705.6 705.98 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 705.86 706.25 Yeah. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 721.88 726.62 So if we go for the simple push button, so effectively we're going for the simple printed circuit board are we? 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 726.62 728.73 Or are we going for the regular? 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 729.92 732.8 Um if it's just the push button then it just needs the simple circuit board. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 756.19 756.59 S 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 745.86 750.79 And so if there is one element that requires the more expensive one,
ES2014c H00 MEE053 733.75 745.86 But is there any other I mean okay, that's true for the for for that element, but we have to take all el elements into consideration. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 732.69 733.75 Mm-mm. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 750.79 756.19 or say the regular one, or the more advanced, then that would have to be the same for all of them. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 752.85 753.1 Mm. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 757.37 757.99 But 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 755.83 757.37 Hmm. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 756.98 763.05 I suppose we need we need to find out what circuit board that requires, maybe before we m make a decision. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 763.95 768.73 But the way that I interpret that um it doesn't seem to send out a signal to the telly 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 774.38 777.4 So I don't think it would effect our circuit board. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 768.73 774.38 it just it's like a parrot just rep reply replying to your message. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 764.04 764.72 Right. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 771.99 773.5 Oh yeah, I suppose so, yeah. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 772.3 772.72 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 773.48 775.25 So maybe that would be something separate, yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 776.05 776.19 Yeah. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 776.53 776.92 No. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 781.15 781.97 Oh that makes sense. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 776.9 781.15 Okay, so we'd have a simple circuit board and that would be an extra that would be in addition to it. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 784.38 788.71 'Cause the example that they've given there is good morning coffee machine, good morning Jo. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 791.02 793.21 Here I am, Jo. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 793.21 796.09 But I think that's maybe as far as that one could go? 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 788.71 791.02 It might be useful to say like where are you remote. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 780.2 781.05 Yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 781.05 784.38 And I don't think you could really perform any of the remote functions with it. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 780.77 780.96 Yeah. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 788.06 788.79 Mm-mm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 791.01 791.26 Okay. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 791.87 795.06 Yeah. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 796.53 797.1 Okay. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 797.44 797.62 Yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 797.94 802.45 Yeah that makes sense, so we'd stick with the simple circuit board and then think of the speech recognition as an extra 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 803.56 804.65 an extra possibility. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 803.64 805 Yeah, just as a fun way to find it. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 805.4 809.83 Simple circuit board. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 809.83 811.04 Simple push button. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 805.41 806.08 Okay. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 806.08 806.75 Um. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 814.23 816.1 Okay. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 817.32 820.47 You were you were wanting to go for the kinetic power supply. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 816.1 817.32 W w kinetic. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 816.1 819.21 And it says that I think it said the cost of that isn't too much. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 820.82 825.45 Um yeah I I thought so just for just for ease of not having to replace the batteries. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 825.79 827.56 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 827.56 829.57 And how does it get uh charged up? 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 826.16 826.35 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 826.91 827.37 Um. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 830.08 834.7 It's um I think it works on the basis they have some kind of ball bearings inside. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 843.38 846.52 So you'd you'd move the remote around a little bit and then that powers it up to use it. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 834.7 840.15 It's um it's some on watches which you you kind of you shake to power it up. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 840.15 843.38 Somehow the mechanism inside powers up through movement. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 840.37 840.73 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 843.29 843.81 Okay. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 851.95 852.27 No? 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 846.8 847.61 Okay. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 847.61 851.95 So the speech recognition was Are we going for speech recognition? 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 852.27 854.16 'Cause that required the advanced 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 847.11 847.39 Yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 854.32 859.26 Um I think it would be helpful to find it, but I don't think it'd um 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 856.72 857.25 Just 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 858.21 861.64 Uh yeah I think did we decide it didn't affect the circuit board, it just affected 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 861.73 862.65 Yeah, I think so. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 861.86 864.95 Just just for the call and find thing. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 862.41 863.05 It was just 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 863.8 867.76 I had speech recognition requires advanced req require 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 867.1 869.74 Oh no th that's what that's what I thought, but maybe maybe it doesn't. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 870.44 871.64 Um I think I might have got that wrong. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 873.53 879.58 Speech recognition you reckon then is s simple. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 883.88 884.56 Would that be 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 870.55 871.86 Oh. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 879.58 883.88 And so we would want it in as an extra because it doesn't appear to cost too much. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 871.86 873.53 So okay. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 871.84 874.37 'Cause it's s it's separate isn't it, it's not part of the 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 876.72 879.23 It's it's just an addition thing it's um yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 883.94 884.33 'Kay. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 883.94 884.18 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 884.37 884.61 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 888.34 889.49 'Kay shall I pass on to you now? 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 888.97 889.68 I think 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 892.3 894.76 In fact, it wouldn't really cost anymore, would it? 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 894.63 896.59 I'll just just check what it said. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 900.72 907.01 Actually I don't think it really says anything about the cost, but it says that it's already in the coffee machines, so 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 908.12 908.43 Yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 908.26 909.69 like it's already kind of 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 909.28 910.97 I assume it would cost extra, but 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 912 915.94 Maybe we maybe we'll find out how much that does cost and have to decide slightly later. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 914.33 919.79 And then have to change all change everything at the last minute. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 921.73 922.63 Okay. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 922.63 923.96 S 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 922.56 923.34 Um. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 929.5 932.24 Oh, that was quick. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 932.24 936.22 Um okay, so very brief presentation, um. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 938.34 943.95 From looking at the remotes that are out there at the minute, none of them are particularly um sleek and sexy. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 943.95 952.94 Um I haven't actually got the examples of the scroll button there, um but there's some curved cases that you can see, uh a range of sizes uh. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 952.94 957.36 All of them have a lot of buttons there um they seem to just have the rubber buttons. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 958.83 959.44 Does that move it? 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 960.5 960.88 Sorry? 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 961.21 964.05 It just seems to be skipping on without us doing anything. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 962.33 966.23 Yeah, I've found that try and get it back. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 965.72 967.82 If you right click and then go onto a previous slide. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 969.24 972.85 There wasn't much more to say about that, just rambling. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 968.32 968.94 Ah it's alright. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 968.94 969.24 Um. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 972.85 979.9 Um some of the uh remotes that I looked at, one of the models da did actually have voice recognition where you could um 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 968.96 971.15 Okay, right. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 983.7 993.42 And uh it was quite uh a swish model, where it can control uh four devices, T. V., cable, satellite, video, D. V. D., audio. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 981 983.7 where it was connected to the remote control functions. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 993.42 996.16 Um so that's a bit of competition there. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 996.16 996.72 So 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 997.88 1003.52 I mean maybe it's better not to try and compete with that sort of thing and just to market it as a completely different um 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1004.61 1011.09 like different viewpoint as a kind of finding your lost control rather than trying to compete with the functions. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1011.09 1015.11 Um the scroll buttons, as you've already mentioned, um 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1005.96 1006.64 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1028.29 1028.76 Um 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1016.29 1020.54 there's examples of those, but they don't look as sleek as other models. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1020.54 1028.29 And there's no real advantage and because it impacts on other on the materials and the price it's not great. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1025 1025.83 On the price, yeah. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1028.06 1030.07 So you were saying the scroll buttons 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1030.93 1035.08 Th there was a specialist type of remote that we could think about, um. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1030.39 1030.93 Yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1038.19 1048.54 where um they just had a very limited range of buttons and they were b uh bright and colourful and um you you could program them so that they could only look at certain channels. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1036.88 1038.19 There was children's remote 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1048.93 1049.17 'Kay. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1049.15 1049.73 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1049.99 1051.92 Um but I don't know if that's really in our field? 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1051.92 1053.44 But that's something that's out there. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1052.35 1055.92 I guess I guess we're going for the biggest market, maybe not, but 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1056.79 1058.84 Was it was it specified that we went for the biggest? 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1084.96 1088.3 But that's really where your field is. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1081.17 1084.96 model two and model three, and therefore you can sub-divide your market up. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1059.16 1071.76 Well we're to go for the international market rather than a local market but that that wouldn't necessarily preclude The one thing that you can often do with products is you can uh make small modifications. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1075.95 1081.17 and then you could have additional features in you know like a You'd have model one,
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1071.76 1075.95 So you have your basic model which you would sell at whatever 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1062.76 1062.91 Hmm. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1086.69 1086.94 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1088.09 1093.08 So maybe the children's remote should be like a a next step, but maybe I dunno for ours, maybe we should 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1092.1 1094.22 Anyway you could add on for an extra package 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1094.22 1111.44 but on this basic one I'm reckoning that we're going for the basic model to be discussed here and that uh you would have for future reference the possibility of adding in extra features at extra cost to take care of specialist market segments. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1106.5 1106.75 Hmm. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1107.68 1108.15 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1110.84 1111.08 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1112.99 1116.14 Right well that's something that we can be aware of. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1111.59 1112.99 Okay. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1113.08 1118.46 Is that So so what are we deciding to do here? 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1117.96 1118.46 Um. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1124.89 1133.01 and because ours might not cover the same functions that the leading brands do, it might be a good idea to market it as a um finder function. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1119.49 1124.89 I think because there's already um very good voice recognition technology out there,
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1124.88 1125.39 Right. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1129.08 1129.61 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1133.63 1139.07 Uh the fi Yeah, the finder function rather than as a speech function to find your remote. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1139.07 1139.86 Okay. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1137.06 1137.46 Yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1138.38 1138.63 Yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1139.06 1146.21 So you also said for going for the international market um that some some maybe older people might not like the speech recognition. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1146.8 1147.24 Oh yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1146.88 1148.28 S s so um 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1148.05 1150.49 Different languages might not be compatible. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1149.38 1150.68 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1150.68 1156.55 It w it would make it quite complicated, where um ours at least keeps it fairly simple and then the 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1152.65 1153.32 Hmm. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1155.94 1156.16 Hmm. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1156.9 1157.15 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1158.06 1164.54 Yeah, 'cause I think you program um this one yourself, like to say like whatever you want to your question. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1162.63 1163.52 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1166.28 1170.3 Yeah and ours is quite a cheap device, so I don't know how much we'll be able to put into it. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1170.74 1171.07 Yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1171.79 1172.26 Yeah. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1171.9 1177.2 So you'd have a finder feature rather than a voice recognition feature. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1177.2 1177.83 And you were talking 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1176.01 1176.75 Hmm. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1176.75 1178.51 Maybe unless something else comes up. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1179.32 1181.45 And you were talking about scroll buttons? 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1179.02 1179.32 Mm. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1181.69 1192.11 Um yeah I think um I think we've decided that it's gonna increase the cost and give no real kinda extra benefit and it's gonna decrease from the sleekness of it. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1187.8 1189.64 Okay. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1189.64 1189.74 b 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1189.19 1189.51 Yeah. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1192.36 1195.9 Alright, so we're just gonna have the the rubber buttons, was that right? 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1194.98 1195.63 Yes yes. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1195.75 1206.2 Hmm um and just to be aware that there are kind of specialist functions and specialist remotes but we probably don't want to focus on those like such as the children's remote. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1205.53 1206.44 Okay. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1206.44 1208.96 So not to be focused on. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1209.55 1215.15 Um there was a mention just as kind of a warning about button design. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1208.69 1209.55 Yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1219.42 1225.82 So it gave the example of say your volume buttons for up and down, they might both have a V. on for volume, 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1215.15 1219.42 Um just to avoid ambiguity. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1227.06 1228.69 Um let's think how they did this. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1236.54 1237.81 An upside-down V. . 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1230.3 1236.54 Good in in Flip it round in ninety degree a hundred and eighty degrees and have it up and down. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1231.64 1233.13 I'm just gonna check so I do this right. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1238.52 1239.34 Um. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1239.34 1240.43 What did they say? 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1238.88 1243 So that would show that volume was going up, whereas the one underneath would see the volume going down. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1243.64 1250.51 Um I think the thing was that if you decide to do this, to have triangular buttons,
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1250.51 1256.78 um somebody might look at this one and say oh well this triangular button is pointing up, and that's the first thing that they see 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1259.75 1261.08 Oh well, no, they might see 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1258.45 1259.75 Actually that can't be right, can it? 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1258.47 1258.98 Right. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1262.72 1267.41 yeah, they might see this pointing down and think right that's gonna turn the volume down,
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1267.41 1271.5 whereas the actual button's pointing up, so the function is to turn the button up. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1264.84 1265.25 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1269.99 1270.38 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1272.58 1278.83 So, be careful what you put on the buttons and be careful of the shape that you make them, because they might be kind of two um 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1273.1 1273.8 So maybe we could have like 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1276.91 1277.13 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1277.1 1277.22 Yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1280.09 1281.88 contradicting kind of shapes. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1281.66 1286.52 So maybe we could have volume written on the side and then up and down on the on the buttons themselves. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1280.8 1281.66 Yeah I I know what you mean. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1302.35 1304.67 Limited number of buttons. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1286.98 1287.51 Yeah. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1304.67 1306.83 'Cause it was sixteen buttons, wasn't it that were 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1287.51 1295.66 You could have volume up and volume Volume up, down and Like that. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1295.66 1302.35 And 'cause the idea was to have limited um it was to have sizable amount of information on it. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1287.01 1287.61 Yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1287.92 1288.41 Possible. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1293.78 1293.99 Mm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1301.99 1302.93 Yeah yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1304.46 1304.61 Yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1306.4 1308.32 Yeah we got it down to not too many. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1306.99 1307.21 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1311.48 1314.59 Um and I think that's all I had to say for that. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1316.82 1317.18 Okay. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1319.86 1322.97 Um so what was the decision on the um design of the volume button? 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1323.88 1324.62 Um 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1327.42 1331.82 Are we are we gonna go through the design of all the buttons at the moment, or are we gonna t 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1330.84 1334.06 I've I've got some things to say about possible design things from 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1333.67 1335.42 Yeah, maybe we should see yours first. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1334.1 1334.72 Oh okay. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1334.15 1334.59 Okay. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1334.81 1335.48 trend watching. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1338.26 1338.5 Cool. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1352.55 1356.54 Right, um I've been looking at some trends 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1388 1391.95 So 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1381.94 1388 So we've had people in Paris and Milan watching the uh fashion trends. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1357.66 1369.08 in in sort of basically fashion on top of doing the um research into the remote control market the the one that's the one I talked about last time,
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1374.73 1381.94 And we've also been looking at sort of fa sort of fashions and what people are wanting out of consumer goods at the moment. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1369.08 1374.73 that we'd sort of asked people about remote controls and what what was good about them, what was bad, what they used. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1386.13 1391.82 You know yourself. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1403.46 1407.63 And second, there should be some technological innovation. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1407.63 1413.01 And then third and l less important than the other two, there should be an ease of use as well. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1398.02 1403.46 The most important thing was that the thing sort of look and felt fancy rather than just functional. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1391.97 1398.02 So just to summarise the most important things which came out of the remote control market investigation. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1402.96 1403.14 'Kay. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1435.41 1436.47 So 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1413.51 1425.42 And apparently, the fashion trends are that people want sort of clothes and shoes and things with a fruit and vegetables theme. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1425.42 1431.23 Um but um the feel of the material should be spongy, which is contrary to last year, apparently. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1431.23 1435.41 I presume it must have been not not spongy last year. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1457.73 1463.5 so perhaps um fewer fewer buttons and functions as we've as we've discussed. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1452.41 1457.73 And then we need to ma sort of make it easy to use that's as a third priority 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1445.17 1452.41 And then also try and add in technological informat innovation which could be our sort of find the thing with a hand clap. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1438.42 1445.17 we need to emphasise the fancy design with on on our remote control above all else. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1463.5 1468.36 And then maybe find a way to incorporate these trends so that we sort of capture people's imaginations. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1468.77 1477.3 So maybe we could make the buttons shaped like fruit and veg, or the the buttons could be spongy, uh somehow. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1485.97 1488.92 say in the shape of a banana or something like that. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1477.3 1481.46 Maybe we could make them out of rubber rather than sort of hard plastic. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1481.46 1485.97 And then sort of even wackier than that, we could maybe have a fruit or vegetable shaped remote 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1490.42 1493.25 Right, so that'll be it. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1493.25 1497.54 Maybe a banana or courgette or something. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1504.42 1511.86 do we think the trends are particularly important for this type of gadget, or or you know, do they not matter that much? 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1499.89 1504.42 How how far we actually want to go along and sort of follow the trends,
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1512.37 1516.87 I think if you start making the buttons fruit shaped, it might make it more complicated to use. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1522.33 1529.88 And I would've thought the functionality 'cause the people get cheesed off by things by having to read instructions et cetera, so. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1517.1 1522.33 Well you were just talking about you've got to be careful how you shape your buttons, 'cause you're can mis-direct people. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1522.8 1523.08 Yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1523.01 1523.75 Yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1536.53 1538.14 Maybe that could be a little apple. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1531.52 1536.53 Maybe just one button, say the standby button is quite kinda separate from all the other functions. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1537.97 1540.31 Maybe yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1538.71 1542.58 And then that wouldn't get in the way of like kinda one to nine, and it wouldn't confuse the numbers. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1540.46 1541.71 Now? 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1541.71 1542.45 Yeah. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1543.9 1550.95 No th that that incorporates the trend whilst at the same time not confusing people, if you're looking for functionality. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1542.45 1543.9 Stand-by button. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1538.76 1540.46 Okay. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1547.99 1548.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1551.48 1558.25 Well I dunno I I guess maybe fruit and vegetables may be popular at the moment, but as we know how fickle the fashion markets are, maybe 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1568.68 1574.36 next year's uh I was gonna say animals or elephants or w whatever. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1559.78 1568.68 But but th but okay but you you can incorporate the tr If y if you change all the buttons then you've got the problem that this year's fruit and veg 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1574.36 1581.58 That means you're constantly changing your production schedule, and you've gotta make different moulds and everything else, so that's not a good idea I would I would suggest. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1557.09 1559.78 What are they gonna be next year. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1555.49 1557.09 But what are they gonna be next Yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1557.53 1559.56 Yeah yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1559.89 1560.04 S 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1559.03 1559.89 Hmm. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1565.97 1566.25 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1572.49 1574.97 Yeah, I'm not 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1578.26 1578.58 Yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1580.33 1586.53 I'm not I'm not sure what what what the sort of timescale we're thinking of selling the product over is. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1586.53 1587.02 I don't know. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1587.06 1590.88 I mean it just seems realistic that the remote control market isn't the kind of thing which takes in 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1591.54 1593.28 those kinds of fashion trends. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1593.28 1596.13 to something which is maybe more universal. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1592.12 1592.97 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1596.68 1596.93 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1596.95 1597.37 Well 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1597.03 1603.14 But I suppose as long as it's quite a subtle design, um even if the design kind of changes, 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1599.68 1599.82 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1600.78 1603.64 We c maybe can imply a fruit shape possibly. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1603.72 1604.04 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1610.49 1610.72 Yep. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1609.76 1610.49 Well. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1604.19 1609.76 Ah d d But if Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1605.37 1608.79 Maybe the spongy feel is something we could think about, um. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1611.12 1613.64 Maybe still with a rubber design we could 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1619.53 1621.8 It was, wasn't it? 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1613.58 1619.53 Was that in the sort of fashion sense that this Or was the spongy feel was that uh sort of fashion? 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1621.8 1622.56 So the 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1620.47 1620.7 Yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1621.68 1625.05 It seems like you're gonna have rubber cases, as well as buttons. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1625.3 1625.62 Yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1626.84 1627.02 Yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1627.74 1628.22 Um. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1628.74 1634.11 And that you can make them curved or double-curved and that would be the kind of sleek and sexy look. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1632.93 1636.69 Oh yeah yeah one of the things were if you had rubber buttons then you had to have a rubber case. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1637.48 1637.87 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1637.55 1639.09 Oh right, that fits, doesn't it? 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1644 1644.55 That's the way round. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1644.55 1647.31 If you have the rubber case then you have to have the rubber buttons to go with it. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1637.57 1644 Um oh no no no sorry it's if you use the uh rubber double curved case then you must use rubber buttons. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1648.36 1649.42 Which makes sense. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1650.13 1650.41 Right. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1651.27 1651.61 Um. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1651.51 1654.79 Rubber buttons require rubber case. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1653.99 1657.8 And that would fit in with what we want, wouldn't it, for the spongy feel, to have everything rubber. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1655.88 1656.22 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1675.42 1684.5 then it means that your stock is um is last year's stock and therefore you're selling it or having to sell it at a discounted rate which you wouldn't want to do. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1684.5 1690.25 Whereas if you kept the product the same but you could have a difference from year to year,
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1690.25 1698.3 uh it seems to me that you could incorporate a fashion statement if you like, rather than changing the whole kit and caboodle. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1698.3 1707.89 You're just changing one aspect like like the standby button or something like that, and especially 'cause then you could make it something that 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1663.82 1675.42 'Cause in essence in the production you want things to stay you want to basically mint them out 'cause if you've got fashion changes and that you're incorporating 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1659.85 1663.82 The m the main problem is how f how frequently do the fashions change? 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1658.46 1659.85 Uh so, yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1668.05 1668.27 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1678.92 1679.19 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1684.04 1684.37 Yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1691.43 1691.98 Okay. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1697.68 1698.05 Yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1698 1698.33 Yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1706.81 1712.6 I suppose we maybe are limited in the fact that we still have to put the logo on the actual would or not. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1707.25 1707.46 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1714.28 1727.68 Well you two are obviously gonna find that out fairly quickly when you move over to your kit modelling stage as to uh how much pl how much how much how pliable is Plasticine. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1710.78 1714.28 Well, you might be limited in space, that yes. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1713.38 1713.71 Yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1713.66 1714.09 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1714.48 1714.79 Hmm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1719.54 1721.02 Yes yes. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1726.53 1732.65 Maybe we could think of the the cases like changing with the fashions like the Nokia phones where you could take the casing off the outside. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1732.65 1739.77 But whether that would be too much to incorporate in production, whether that would just increase the costs, make it more complicated. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1732.81 1733.12 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1737.62 1740.95 Hmm. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1740.95 1743.92 So you're talking there about uh changing 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1740.87 1741.82 That's possibly it. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1745.84 1747.13 changing the casing. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1751.27 1756.22 and the general function of the remote would stay the same, but you could change the the way it looked. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1747.11 1751.27 Yeah the a the actual the sort of the look from the outside, so where the buttons would stay the same,
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1751.28 1751.52 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1761.5 1766.6 but you could have like pink cases for girls and red ones and things like that. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1756.61 1761.5 Yeah and then you could have Oh but you still would have to have the logo on every new case 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1761.01 1762.16 Yeah, that's true. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1764.38 1766.37 Yeah you you could do a colour change,
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1779.44 1782.54 But uh so 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1766.37 1772.1 so therefore you would yeah yeah I mean that's effectively what they did with the with the mobile phones, was to have some in blue,
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1772.1 1779.44 some in red, some in rather than all in black or, you know, which four do you want, as long as it's black? 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1771.27 1771.64 Yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1773.51 1773.93 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1776.2 1776.48 Hmm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1781.94 1783.52 So it is a possibility, um. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1783.67 1787 But we are supposed to use the um company colour scheme, aren't we? 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1787 1788.89 We haven't really seen that yet 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1787.36 1790.24 Yes oh that's true uh that might no 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1787.57 1790.08 Oh okay yes that is 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1788.39 1788.98 Yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1789.62 1792.76 It might and we might be able to do both but it might clash with certain things. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1828.15 1832.32 the only colour that it might not stick out so well on would be a white casing. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1816.8 1823.34 but that badge would then have to stick out on top of it so that uh in a sense,
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1806.2 1812.49 it actually has a sort of um stick on badge so what you would al all you would really need,
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1823.34 1828.15 with a with a logo like that, because it's on a white background 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1812.49 1816.8 whether it, you know, whether the casing be w any colour, could be any colour 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1801.46 1806.2 I mean a lot of um computers for instance like like on the one you've got there 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1799.18 1801.46 You could have your company badge and logo. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1792.68 1799.18 Well not necessarily, because you could have your company uh We're we're meant to be finishing up. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1805.35 1805.8 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1822.07 1822.55 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1856.19 1857.17 So. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1832.86 1835.12 'Cause you you know you're sort of you're badging it. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1842.53 1850.78 And in fact the way they've got that there even if you had that on a white, which is the predominant colour of the uh the Windows badge 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1850.78 1856.19 you'd still be able to see it clearly from you know a white casing uh product. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1835.12 1842.53 And in fact a lot of companies get somebody else to make them and literally just badge them themselves with their own uh badge over the top. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1833.1 1833.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1839.52 1840 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1841.91 1842.13 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1852.81 1853.27 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1855.31 1855.63 Yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1856.71 1857.28 Hmm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1856.74 1861.51 And whether we'd have a big enough market to have this kind of like secondary market of selling the cases 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1862.18 1863.28 might be something to consider. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1863.96 1864.27 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1864.37 1868.98 Well if it's for young people, um like the phone generation,
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1868.98 1872.86 that sort of thing'd probably go down well, and the market research has been on that side of things, hasn't it? 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1867.04 1867.34 Yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1869.32 1869.63 Yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1873.15 1878.25 Yeah, I mean it's people say that it's the look, they want the fancy looking thing but I'm 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1879.49 1880.22 Yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1885.13 1886.41 I think with the mobiles, 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1880.22 1885.13 I'm not convinced on whether having changeable covers would be something that people would buy into. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1886.98 1890.53 it's the, you know it's a communication device, people see you with it all about and 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1890.75 1894.47 Yeah I suppose, where you you keep the remote hidden under the sofa most of the time. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1891.12 1892.3 i if it 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1892.92 1895.7 It's uh in in the house, isn't it, I suppose. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1894.71 1895.08 Yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1896.44 1896.82 I think 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1896.45 1900.02 Okay, so if we just went for one colour of a rubber case 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1899.87 1902.36 So don't change case. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1902.36 1904.34 Change case colour. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1904.34 1907.44 And we're sort of saying no to that. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1900.26 1900.75 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1909.63 1913.02 The spongy feel, or did we think that that might go as a trend? 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1908.05 1909.63 Did we decide on the rubber case? 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1913.73 1915.57 Well, it was different last year. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1917.47 1919.02 It was not not spongy feel. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1915.57 1917.47 The trend was different last year apparently. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1919.54 1920.27 But 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1923.46 1925.12 I don't know whether it's one of those things that 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1922.08 1923.46 I don't know whether the trend will change. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1932.14 1936.65 whereas just the fact that it was a rubber case is probably less less of something that 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1926.57 1932.14 like sort of having all fruit shaped keys, that that probably would go out of fashion very quickly 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1932.38 1933.13 Yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1935.99 1937.58 Yeah, less likely to 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1937.03 1937.76 Sounds reasonable. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1937.33 1940.12 y you're gonna end up hating in a year, you know. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1939.28 1952.49 If you're going for fashion trends like that they'll need t you'd have to have interchangeable cases so that you could or 'cause otherwise someone's gonna have to buy a complete new remote rather than just a case. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1941.8 1943.22 So then th th that would 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1948.06 1948.36 Yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1949.27 1949.73 Yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1952.89 1953.13 Mm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1953.08 1958.85 it seems to make sense that we we'd just maybe stick with the standard rubber case, and then have the standard rubber buttons as well. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 1959.51 1960.32 Okay. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1959.57 1960.08 Okay. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1960.29 1961.04 Um. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1964.14 1966.63 There's flat, there's single-curved and there's double-curved. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1960.45 1964.14 Uh we haven't really talked about uh the curvature of the case. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1967.33 1968.08 Um. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1969.06 1971.38 I'm not exactly sure what these things look like. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1969.14 1969.27 Mayb 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1973.4 1981.86 But the double curve wouldn't require us to perform miracles with the Plasticine. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 1970.36 1973.4 Maybe curves give it like the slightly more aesthetic feel? 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1979.25 1980.87 Well it says that 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1981.88 1985.14 When you say d when you say double-curved, what what exactly does that mean? 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1985.16 1987.66 I'm not exactly sure. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1987.66 1989.51 Um I'll show you 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 1987.58 1988.26 Okay. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1993.71 1994.43 See how uh 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1991.97 1993.71 the remotes that I've got. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1995.62 1996.5 Let's just get that bigger. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 1998.05 2000.92 See how uh the one Oh I'm not plugged in, am I? 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2003.23 2004.5 Shall I just turn it round for time? 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2000.92 2003.23 That doesn't help. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2000.34 2004.22 No you're not connected to me anymore. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2002.07 2018.64 One one thing to cons one thing to consider is that in some ways you want um by having a fairly standard case it means they can all fit together on top of each other therefore for storage purposes in shops and the like and it makes it easier that you can if you can store them up on top of each other. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2026.88 2032.11 And the cost of packaging could be quite important vis-a-vis the total cost of the product. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2018.64 2026.88 Whereas if you do um fancy things with it, you then gotta put it in a ca a a packaging box that that does that. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2008.91 2010.06 That should come up. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2016.9 2018.52 Mm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2017.79 2018.21 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2033.74 2038.66 So shall we go through quickly and just work out what we've decide on, if we have to kind of 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2032.08 2033.74 Yeah yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2032.71 2032.88 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2032.81 2033.19 Hmm. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2037.95 2040.97 So but 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2039.04 2039.32 Yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2040.45 2044.15 Um it's not very clear up there, but you can see some of them have got kind of bulges 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2044.15 2047.95 like the second one and the end one uh where there's a curve there. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2047.95 2052.59 I'm not exactl I don't know if a double curve is maybe it comes up slightly, or? 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2041.89 2042.34 No. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2044.21 2045.08 Mm yep. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2046.04 2046.22 Right. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2052.08 2053.84 That's what I was trying to work out. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2053.72 2058.01 But um it is a kinda sleeker look if you've got curves in there. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2055.17 2056.42 Oh right. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2058.32 2058.59 Shall we 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2058.56 2062 S so do you wanna go for curves, more curves? 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2062 2066.78 We're meant to be f we're meant to be finishing this meeting in about a minute or so. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2062.21 2064.25 Definitely a single, maybe a double. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2066.84 2067.08 Yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2067.19 2068.21 'Kay, so shall we quickly 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2067.42 2069.42 Shall we go for single curve, just to compromise? 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2069.23 2070.61 We'll go for single curve, yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2070.61 2071.33 Single curve. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2070.21 2070.83 Okay. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2072.41 2073.86 So it's single curved. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2070.59 2072.41 Okay, curved or double curved? 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2079.92 2080.68 Um 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2078.98 2079.92 Okay. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2077 2078.98 The one you move around? 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2074.02 2077 So did we did we decide on the kinetic power supply? 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2077.57 2079.79 Yeah I think that think that's a good idea. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2077.98 2078.51 Yeah. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2078.82 2079.12 Yep. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2084.21 2086.75 And the rubber push buttons, rubber case. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2085.6 2085.94 Rubber 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2088.44 2089.69 Rubber buttons and case. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2091.57 2097.05 Um and we don't really know much about the colour scheme or logo yet do we, but possibly a sticker. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2095.75 2102.76 Oh we ca Yeah yeah, we'll still have the Are we gonna go for the simple circuit board just to keep the cost down? 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2102.76 2106.14 I th I think we can by by not having anything too complicated. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2104.02 2104.52 Yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2106.39 2107.38 Yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2107.38 2110.96 Yeah and and the voice recognition, we can use that can't we, just to find it. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2107.23 2107.44 Um. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2111.52 2112.34 Yeah yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2111.71 2112.56 Um. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2111.96 2113.42 Without affecting the circuit board. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2113.89 2114.19 Yep. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2112.04 2113.89 Yes. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2113.92 2118.82 And see we could always decide against it if something comes up that's just something to that we seemed to leave out. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2121.08 2122.76 Okay. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2122.76 2127.92 And then are we going for sort of one button shaped like a fruit. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2127.92 2128.48 Or veg. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2127.59 2131.51 Yeah that sounds like it wouldn't do too much harm in a couple of years. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2131.51 2133.17 Uh what sort of shape do we want? 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2135.01 2136.1 Don't know, maybe just 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2135.44 2138.37 So we've got spongy feel buttons as well, have we? 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2138.37 2140.49 As well as or w or was that 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2139.16 2139.69 Yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2140.46 2141.82 That's ru rubber buttons, yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2141.67 2142.83 Yeah, it was just 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2145.94 2147.62 With a rubber case right? 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2141.89 2145.94 So it's rubber buttons, so it's not really spongy feel buttons, it's just rubber buttons. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2145.54 2145.71 'Kay. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2146.27 2147.64 Reasonably spongy I guess, yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2145.67 2146.27 Yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2146.19 2147.84 Yeah, so it's not too wacky. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2148.92 2151 And the standby button is gonna be different. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2151.29 2152.08 Yeah okay. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2153.56 2156.71 Um I think an apple would be a good recognisable shape. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2156.71 2159.89 If you start getting into kinda aubergines and things, it gets a bit weird. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2160.96 2161.64 Yeah. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2164.94 2166.26 Oh oh Sorry? 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2164.53 2164.94 A apple. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2161.01 2164.53 Okay so what what shape are we making the standby button? 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2163.8 2164.17 Apple? 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2164.31 2164.67 Vote? 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2165.46 2165.98 Yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2166.65 2168.31 Shall we vote on it? 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2170.23 2170.67 Right. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2168.31 2170.23 Anyone got any suggestions? 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2168.69 2173.1 Apple apple a a qu Quite a big one, as well. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2167.81 2168.69 Yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2173.1 2175.21 A big apple. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2175.21 2175.77 Uh 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2167.98 2170.12 We will go for the a a a apples apples. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2172.39 2172.87 Okay. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2175.38 2176.12 Well it could be red. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2172.87 2175.38 Ah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2176.96 2178.41 Could be a red apple, yeah. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2179.65 2180.75 Either, don't mind. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2180.82 2181.81 A red apple? 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2181.81 2182.57 Is it? 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2181.78 2187.32 Yeah 'cause we wanna incorporate a bit of colour if we can, once we find out um 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2186.65 2190.79 And then we're gonna are you gonna work on keeping the button design quite simple? 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2186.32 2186.65 Okay. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2190.79 2191.56 Just like the 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2192.94 2194.71 Just working out what we're gonna do for the next time. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2195.98 2196.26 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2196.52 2197.08 Um. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2197.81 2198.44 Yeah. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2199.96 2202.21 Yeah that seems pretty straight forward. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2202.21 2206.83 'Cause most of them will just be kind of mainly circular or like very plain. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2201.81 2202 Yeah. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2206.98 2207.63 'Kay. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2207.64 2207.79 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2209.88 2210.32 Okay. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2213.21 2216.21 Sorry what was that last thing again there? 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2215.46 2217.77 Uh just to keep the shape of the buttons simple. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2219.09 2221.46 Right much option on that. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2221.46 2224.7 I thought you were going for a single curve and 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2224.17 2226.69 Ah just the uh shape of the buttons. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2227.25 2228.48 Alright. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2228.98 2234.71 And j yeah, just keeping the sort of the labelling them labelling of them fairly simple as well. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2234.71 2236.3 Fairly sort of self explanatory. 
ES2014c H02 FEE055 2234.32 2234.64 Yeah. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2236.94 2239.21 Right, so shape of buttons simple. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2248.42 2249.28 Okay. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2249.28 2252.8 So that's that, I guess. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2252.8 2255.26 We should now go away and get these things sorted out. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2255.26 2260 I guess you two are on plasticine duty or whatever. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2260 2262.21 Okay, so um. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2258.94 2259.26 Okay. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2267.17 2267.4 Okay. 
ES2014c H01 MEE054 2266.58 2267.17 Is that the end? 
ES2014c H03 MEE056 2268.1 2270.29 Looks like it. 
ES2014c H00 MEE053 2272.61 2273.36 Okay. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 0.02 3.07 So is Why not save that. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 3.39 6.6 No, you'll ha have to open it up from elsewhere. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 9.76 12.6 Do you want to replace existing file, no. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 18.73 21.88 I actually tried to transfer it to My Documents, but 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 21.83 23.69 Yeah, you have to you have to close that window. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 23.69 25.68 'Cause that's the save one isn't it, so 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 27.19 27.92 And then find it. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 33.37 34.85 spreadsheet. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 50.2 54.02 That's the easiest way. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 47.05 50.2 Yeah, but I've ta uh right, I'll just re-do it. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 71.48 71.98 Right. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 76.59 78.37 Well we've made our prototype anyway. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 79.54 81.09 We can have a good look at that. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 81.45 82.67 You pass it round to have a look. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 83.36 85.28 Y no, it's a slightly curved around the sides. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 82.18 83.36 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 84.68 86.29 Mm very nice. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 86.68 92.26 Um, it's almost curved like up to the main display as well. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 101.09 103.61 And we've got the stick on the button with the company logo on. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 92.26 96.63 And the little line at the bottom indicates the bit the panel that you pull down. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 96.63 101.09 And the extra function buttons are below that panel on the little line. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 91.79 92.08 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 99.9 100.27 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 103.93 104.23 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 104.64 110.07 We also have a apple slash cherry design at the top. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 110.96 111.15 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 109.69 110.96 Cherry would be alright actually. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 107.98 109.69 So it is, yeah. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 112.91 117.73 And it's kinda not really at a kind of you think apple, you think computers, like Apple Mac. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 111.4 112.91 Yeah, it's a bit more fun, isn't it? 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 117.11 119.41 Yeah, yeah, we might get a 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 120.07 121.87 What's this this one? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 118.31 119.29 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 121.87 123 What's that one there? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 119.29 120.07 Copyright, yeah. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 120.68 122.93 Yeah, and cherries are fun, summery. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 122.93 124.26 Ah, that's the mute. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 124.38 125.09 Oh, okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 125.09 125.36 Right. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 124.82 126.48 For the M. . 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 129.49 131.32 But um, we didn't have anything small enough to write. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 125.8 129.49 It it'd probably have to be labelled mute. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 129.29 129.55 Uh-huh. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 129.54 130.5 They're thinking 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 131.81 132.37 Okay. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 131.94 137.52 For the first time, well it was hard to get the h um the actual labelling on the individual buttons. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 137.13 138 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 137.75 138.05 Yeah. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 145.84 147.9 The mute could possibly be a bit smaller. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 139.24 141.56 Uh, we just chose simple shapes for all them. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 143.86 145.84 So we made them a bit bigger. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 141.56 143.86 Um, the important ones are the volume ones. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 145.55 145.82 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 153.19 158.4 so you've got the volume in orange on design there, and the the channel is in blue. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 147.9 153.19 Hum, you separate off in colour the volume related buttons from the channel related buttons,
ES2014d H03 MEE056 155.6 155.94 Yeah. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 158.82 159.04 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 160.44 164.38 Um, all these things have cost implications. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 164.38 177.51 And so when I done my thing on cost a I had assumed that the only uh button that would be a different colour would be the uh the red apple button. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 159.46 160.44 R right. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 159.82 162.13 Yeah, and we chose a V. plus and V. minus. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 188.8 198.34 and uh as I suppose that so whether wanted to put in all these colours, would be uh open to debate, I suppose. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 179.09 181.93 So However, I've now. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 181.93 188.8 But um, yeah so uh but there would be a cost implication on that,
ES2014d H03 MEE056 185.62 186.69 I'll see if I can find them. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 195.13 196.32 Yeah, sis 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 197.6 202.68 Well the colours wouldn't like that's they wouldn't be too important, but we didn't have any white Play-Doh. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 202.68 207.24 So that's where the colour buttons came from. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 197.69 198.06 Have 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 207.48 209.42 Right, okay so um 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 203.34 207.48 An important consideration. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 210.92 215.2 And the second one underneath would be the idea for the 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 214.76 216.21 Yes, we'll have the slide-away. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 218.27 221.72 So we've got um detail design meeting. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 216.59 218.27 Right, okay. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 218.23 218.62 Bottom. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 224.32 224.67 Right. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 227.86 230.26 So So, we've got 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 252.84 261.83 So other than the fact that it doesn't have the second layer, but um obviously obviously it would. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 271.6 279.61 and the bit after the evaluation criteria is uh is the finance. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 231.8 240.36 prototype presentation, which we've just done, evaluation criteria, um and finance 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 240.36 252.84 so I guess w we have to evaluate if that meets the various uh aspects that we're looking for uh from um our previous meeting. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 282.2 284.39 The only snag about this is that uh 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 261.83 263.36 But other than that, we got the red apple. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 279.61 282.2 And the and the cost implication. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 263.36 271.6 We got the buttons and the only thing that has really changed is the is the colouration of the buttons 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 249.26 249.55 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 252.96 253.31 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 255.91 256.18 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 270.64 271.42 Yes, yes. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 279.42 279.89 Right. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 279.48 279.91 Okay. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 286.41 289.2 the cost is probably kind of important. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 298.47 299.49 Um, 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 289.2 298.47 So um, and then the production evaluation, as to how easy that would be to uh to manufacture. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 297.49 297.77 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 301.18 303.71 and whether it would uh 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 303.88 308.51 So if you had to do a presentation or will you just work it on the prototype? 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 308.76 310.73 Uh, that's it. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 308.77 312.13 This this is a yes, this is our presentation of the prototype. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 310.11 310.94 That's the pr 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 312.93 313.37 Okay. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 313.04 313.52 Right 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 313.52 330.56 so uh as far as the the finance of it would be concern would be to make sure that the cost aye the production cost 'cause you may remember that was one of the first uh considerations was to be in d under um uh twelve fifty or two and a half uh twelve and a half Euros. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 327.83 328.13 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 333.06 336.08 So, there's no redesign. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 336.08 345.05 So that should uh Right, so, seems to me that the thing that I have to do is 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 351.06 354.32 is quickly find that uh 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 358.06 361.44 Could we get this on the board just so we can see or do you mean do you have the figures there? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 363.29 364.33 we should plug it in. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 364.33 367.85 Do you wanna plu do you wanna plug it in into the the back of that one. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 364.22 364.56 Right. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 366.68 367.8 Okay. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 367.62 368.29 'Kay, Alice. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 369.68 370.52 So, sh 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 370.08 373.27 We could do it as we d go along, the production costs, looking at the prototype. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 374.18 376.05 Right. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 377.08 378.01 'Kay this should be then. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 380.74 392.61 Okay, so, by the fact that we've got uh the simple chip and the uh kinetic energy source, we've got a single curved 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 395.28 396.44 case. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 396.44 404.69 We've got a rubber uh case materials supplements. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 404.69 408.81 So, we had decided that we're having rubber buttons and 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 405.11 405.31 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 411.8 413.42 Have a push button interface. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 417.65 419.68 Okay. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 437.29 439.13 Do you make all the buttons 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 421.64 429.97 Well, originally, I thought there would just be uh one in there because it was the one red apple. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 429.97 437.29 But So the so the real w the real question then would come in. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 419.68 421.64 W the button supplements. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 420.24 421.52 Um 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 429.86 430.55 Um 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 439.91 443.78 Well do we'll do it on the prototype, so do two, see how much it is. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 440.55 440.85 O 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 450.6 456.54 We've got special material, rubber, wood, titanium, et cetera and that, so, I was originally,
ES2014d H00 MEE053 443.59 447.87 Well, so we've got one special button form, which was the apple. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 456.54 461.51 I was thinking rubber wasn't special, but according to this, maybe it is. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 461.51 462.64 So 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 447.87 450.6 Everything else is gonna be a standard. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 448.13 448.57 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 448.46 448.78 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 450.31 451.25 And then we'd have 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 454.28 454.53 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 460.48 460.72 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 464.01 469.08 And the r I mean effectively we've got sixteen buttons that we're gonna have on there. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 469.29 469.77 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 469.77 472.36 I think you just do one, don't you, for the 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 472.72 481.62 W I don't know is is is the sort of answer, is that meant to be all sixteen buttons, and therefore I mean,
ES2014d H00 MEE053 481.62 491.63 what's the op The option was maybe not to have rubber buttons, but just to have the one that was soft and spongy, and therefore 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 490.91 492.68 I think I think it's just it's just a one. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 492.68 493.17 Else 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 501.38 503.68 whereas the rest would be hard plastic. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 494.22 501.38 Whereas it would be the special colour would be for the So you would only have the one special button that was rubber 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 504.52 512.04 I thi I think I think the button supplement i is just a supplement for all the buttons made in a different material, rather than per button. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 511.59 515.39 Mm. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 515.39 528.55 I would Every design change is uh I dunno, um Okay, um, 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 513.63 514.25 I don't know though. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 521.2 521.52 Hmm. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 536.91 540.19 We'd have one special colour and one special button form. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 529.8 536.91 if we just had all the buttons as standard, except for the one red apple, then that would take care of that, I guess. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 540.72 541 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 542.12 542.79 And when 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 544.41 548.91 I plugged that in last time remember it has to be under twelve and a half. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 550.8 561.08 As far as I know, that um that took care of the uh of the various supplements. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 561.08 562.94 And if What happened? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 559.66 559.95 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 566.69 568.89 You've just gone off the window into another one. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 568.89 569.97 It's on the bottom row. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 581.72 581.97 Yeah. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 577.84 581.72 Maybe if you just minimise that one in the top right-hand corner of the little box. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 583.76 586.66 Now, right. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 586.66 589.59 Okay, so, but the point would be that if we uh 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 591.83 597.76 if we just did special Sorry, you were saying that it would be that one, that you would put in one there. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 597.8 599.02 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 599.02 599.25 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 600.95 601.46 Okay. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 604.09 606.7 So that's nine point one there so we've got some 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 610.3 610.75 Okay. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 606.04 610.3 So it Well, is it s is no, it's nine point seven I've got. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 608.95 609.23 'Kay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 609.42 609.71 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 610.77 611.76 Just give us a bit of 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 612.11 614.32 So, that would 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 616.17 618.01 that would work out fine if uh 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 618.7 619.01 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 629.28 634.76 And there's nothing else as far as I can see that we we had uh planned to put on. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 619.97 629.28 uh as assuming your correction are are assuming that that one change covers all the buttons, then that would be fine. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 628.49 628.77 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 629.71 630.16 S 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 652.53 656.58 and maybe go with the one the special form buttons, then we could have the speech 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 648.12 652.53 We should be slightly over our budget but if we gather something else down to slightly lower standard,
ES2014d H01 MEE054 641.63 648.12 Um, I guess the sample sens sample speaker would be the voice recognition thing, which puts up to four? 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 638.09 641.63 At the moment we've just got the simple chip, which costs one. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 633.92 638.09 I switching around those th um on the electronics we got the sample sensor. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 642.04 642.48 Uh-huh. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 646.29 646.75 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 652.42 652.67 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 655.4 656.73 Well, hold on. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 656.73 658.25 Um, if we 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 661.88 663.86 Okay, that gives us twelve point seven 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 669.34 673.33 kept them all the same colour, then we could have the voice recognition without 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 664 669.34 So uh maybe if we got rid of like the maybe one of the special colours,
ES2014d H00 MEE053 672.29 679.58 But remember that the idea was to keep it the colour of the Oh, I see, so just take out the special colour for the apple and 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 679.38 681.02 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 681.02 681.39 Um 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 680.99 684.57 D wouldn't you have to keep the simple chip there as well? 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 684.57 691.11 You know how you turn that one to a zero, wouldn't the chip and the sample speaker be separate things, so you need both of them? 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 680.84 680.99 Um,. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 688.05 689.06 Yeah, we have to have it 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 692.36 694.54 Maybe um we'd be giving up on the kinetic. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 690.15 692.36 Oh possibly, yeah, yeah maybe. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 690.67 691.18 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 695.97 696.7 Um 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 697.18 698.66 And go for battery instead. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 698.66 700.04 That would give you one less. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 697.46 698.03 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 698.97 702.48 We should Yeah, that would save us one, though we'd still be slightly ov 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 701.91 709.35 But you reckon that i I mean the thing is that you wanted to a appeal to people and not have to replace batteries. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 728.29 731.52 And then still have the batteries, or whatever they would prefer not uh You know what I mean? 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 731.52 737.35 The the problem was the battery's running out and losing the um losing the remote. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 719.36 728.29 Um, whether they would figure the the s uh sample senor and the sample speaker, voice recognition be sort of a worthwhile thing to have. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 709.46 710.49 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 710.49 719.36 Well, since it's the through the whole technology type thing, um, you were saying in the market research that people like kind of interesting gadgets in them. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 737.35 739.55 So you gotta decide which of those is more important to them. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 719.22 719.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 728.63 728.82 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 732.53 733.64 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 735.35 735.8 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 751.49 753.57 Remember that was a minimum requirement. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 750.75 751.49 At least. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 739.68 745.42 But which do you think or which do we think is the more important of the options? 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 753.57 763.98 The other option if we're planning on just going for something cheap and cheerful, would be to um make it originally, we're gonna make it a simple product. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 745.42 750.75 In a sense, at the moment, we've got a total which we need to reduce down by one point two. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 745.16 746.51 I think the voice recognition. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 774.89 778.12 Right um, I have a little thing. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 778.12 783.75 So, we've all got a note of it's thirteen point seven, isn't it, with everything we want on. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 773.31 774.89 Okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 763.08 773.31 Shall we shall we evaluate the prototype as we've got it now first, and then sort of make decisions about what needs to be changed after? 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 763.17 763.49 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 773.24 773.94 Makes sense. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 772.17 773.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 773.59 773.94 Okay. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 790.41 792.89 Sorry, do you want that back up? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 791.77 794.27 Yeah, I just had a presentation to 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 794.83 795.24 Right. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 796.38 797.51 do. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 798.99 806.16 But I do think uh the v uh voice recognition thing would be more impressive than the fact that it's got no battery. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 806.88 813.7 Okay, but remember the main the only reason we were planning on having the voice recognition was so that they could find the remote if it got lost. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 815.55 816.91 Mm. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 816.91 817.82 Right okay um, 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 814.53 815.55 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 831.98 838.28 And those ones are gonna be in response to sort of market research, and also finance, I guess. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 823.8 831.98 And so the method is that the design team makes a prototype, and we evaluate the prototype against some criteria that we've formulated. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 818.98 823.8 This is about the evaluation criteria that we use for the the prototype we've got here. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 839.33 847.67 And do that on a scale from say true being one and false being seven, so if it's neither true nor false, then that's four. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 855.5 863.95 So, I got a set of criteria just based on the marketing that we need to add in a financial one as well, at the end. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 863.95 864.75 Um so, 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 865.98 869.6 We have to say whether it's true or false that the product looks and feels fancy. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 870.68 871.4 Um 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 875.8 877.12 Whether it's easy to use. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 871.97 875.8 The whether the product demonstrates technical innovation. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 882.65 886.59 And whether it's a sort of recognisable Real Reaction product. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 878.44 882.65 Whether it's incorporating sort of the fashion element to attract the buyer. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 886.59 894.15 And I have to go up onto the whiteboard and do this apparently, so I'll go over here. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 889.35 889.6 Okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 909.71 911.66 So if we do a sort of a one 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 903.2 909.71 So the first one is um, does the product look and feel fancy. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 902.56 903.2 Right. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 917.73 918.38 So 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 925.43 926.27 So uh 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 918.31 925.43 Okay, well we have a single curve, which was maybe like the feel of the product's quite good. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 922.66 922.91 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 925.58 926.19 Okay. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 927.14 932.35 Um, then we have the rubber kinda spongy feel, which was in at the time. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 930.93 931.28 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 933.45 933.73 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 932.68 933.45 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 933.4 935.89 Um, sorry that'd be considered fancy. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 937.04 938.26 Yeah, I'd maybe give it a 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 939.4 940.54 a two. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 944.58 945.97 I forgot. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 945.97 947.41 One's true, and okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 947.41 951.02 Seven's fal Four is neutral, okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 951.02 952.19 So 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 941.91 944.58 Of but I think What Is one false, or is t one true? 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 944.75 945.63 One's true. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 947.68 948.78 And a four is neutral. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 951.64 952.87 So maybe maybe a two. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 959.11 960.07 But it's pretty close. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 960.07 961.66 We've got almost everything we can. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 953.55 959.11 Yeah, 'cause we haven't got the double curve, so we can't like say it's completely true. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 959.18 960.26 Yep. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 955.68 959.18 Go for one. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 956.7 957.21 Right. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 963.11 963.68 Right. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 963.68 966.56 I gonna put underneath so I've got some more space. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 962.27 963.11 Okay. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 963.03 963.4 Okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 969.08 973.08 So, false is seven, true is one, and 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 979.92 980.37 Okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 977.11 979.92 So uh say about a two for fancy, you think? 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 979.08 979.31 Yeah. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 979.61 980.06 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 980.26 983.24 Yeah, why not not, m m maybe nearer three. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 984.12 986.82 Okay, well d you do an average at the end, I don't know. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 986.82 987.6 Um 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 985.23 987.16 Two three. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 987.16 992.35 Well, it's just that uh saying something remember that when you look down, we've got solar power,
ES2014d H00 MEE053 992.35 997.41 we've got uh various other things you could have, and we're not going for these options. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 995.25 995.53 Uh-huh. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 996.52 998.54 This this is just this is just for like the look. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1000.84 1001.25 So 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 998.54 1000.84 Does it sort of look fancy rather than functional. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 999.12 999.47 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1003.99 1006.64 Yeah, I suppose that might be in the technical innovation bit. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1006.78 1010.81 Yeah, so that so sh should we go for a a two on that? 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1011.09 1011.46 Okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1012.43 1018.48 And I mean, how much does the product demonstrate technical innovation do you reckon? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1011.69 1012.43 'Kay. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1017.8 1024.6 Um, deciding between the kinetic power or um the speech recognition,
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1024.6 1029.64 and if we had either of those for our budget, they both show a reasonable amount of speech recognition. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1027.91 1028.73 D yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1031.5 1037.41 So, what about the pr The prototype as it is, we've got we've got the speech recognition on it, haven't we. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1030.21 1031.5 Okay. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1034.28 1034.87 Um 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1037.19 1038.32 But not the kinetic. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1039.46 1040.63 But not the kinetic. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1040.31 1041.04 Like the power. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1041.59 1044.03 'Cause you can't afford that w we took that out too. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1041.2 1041.59 No. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1043.03 1045.45 No, we c ca yeah, we can't afford both. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1046.93 1048.8 Alright, so 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1047.55 1048.3 Didn't you? 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1048.3 1048.91 Or 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1050.15 1056.22 So it doesn't It's pretty The prototype as it is isn't sort of um fulfilling the 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1056.59 1060.24 No may is maybe about neutral plus it it it's got something, but it hasn't got 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1057.61 1058.5 Maybe a three. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1060.36 1061.33 Okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1061.33 1061.59 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1062.41 1064.8 In thirteen point seven we do have kinetic. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1064.8 1070.31 The problem is we have to reduce down from there to get it down to twelve point five. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1070.31 1073.17 And one way of doing that would be to take out the kinetic. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1073.17 1078.26 So, it's very much dependant on what you do with your options. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1061.81 1062.41 Well, wait a minute. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1062.63 1064.47 I would give it more than a four. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1067.83 1068.17 Right. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1070.08 1070.55 Okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1080.41 1081.29 Right, okay. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1084.71 1096.55 then because that the other functions we've got in are are more at the The special material, the rubber, wood, titanium, et cetera, 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1080.58 1084.71 And if you're definitely going for the sample sensor and sample speaker,
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1080.8 1081.08 'Kay. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1112.53 1116.6 you're basically then having to go for the cheaper options on everything else. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1098.42 1105.74 if you go for that, th that's at the high end 'cause that's point six, whereas down at uh just special colours uh is point two. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1105.74 1112.53 Now you're trying to lose one point two, so it seems to me that if you're going for the sample sensors speaker 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1118.11 1118.54 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1118.83 1118.95 Okay. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1127.22 1137.04 and then you're looking to uh take out uh point two, which would be come from the button supplements category. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1120 1127.22 And and the simple way to do it would be to have a battery, to have your uh sample sensor speaker,
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1120.3 1121.19 Um 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1130.1 1130.38 S 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1131.77 1134.49 I'm just gonna check my email. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1137.16 1140.6 I'm just gonna check exactly what it said in the email for um 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1142.77 1143.81 the product. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1144.55 1147.56 How much of a difference would it make if we made the case in plastic? 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1151.59 1154.77 Because we did say that we don't wanna follow the fashion too much. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1157.26 1159.22 And then it stand the test of time better. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1154.77 1157.26 If the buttons are rubber that might be spongy enough. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1182.74 1188.58 So you could uh fiddle that down your special form at the bottom, or your special colour at the bottom. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1188.58 1190.57 And that would enable you to to do it. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1177.22 1182.74 you could keep your sample sensor, and you'd be looking to take out point two. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1166.94 1177.22 You could either you could have it If you have a in plastic rather than rubber, then that would uh enable you to get you could keep kinetic then,
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1157.52 1164.56 Um, interface type um, well plastic rather than rubber. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1164.56 1166.94 That that that would make the significant difference. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1163.84 1164.41 Okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1164.41 1164.91 But I 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1187.93 1188.23 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1188.16 1188.42 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1191.09 1191.55 Okay. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1195.76 1200.59 and if we make it more innovative innovative, then we lose points on it being fancy, so 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1191.63 1195.76 So it says if we make a slightly more fancy, then we lose points innovation,
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1197.5 1197.73 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1198.53 1198.93 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1199.08 1199.4 Ye 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1205.99 1212.64 so I think we need to think about finance after we've sort of evaluated that design. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1212.64 1214.58 I don't know whether we're doing it in the wrong order or something or. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1199.7 1205.99 ,0 I just read the email again and it sort of says it's evaluate the design sort of as it is, I think 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1214.77 1216.3 Well, okay, but 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1218.05 1219.93 Well, I suppose it's rubber as it is, isn't it. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1220.22 1221.57 It's rubber as it is, yes. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1221.6 1227.24 So, I mean does this need to go up a bit or something, 'cause we've got both the 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1228.86 1229.84 both the um 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1231.66 1238.09 We got we've we've got thirteen point seven and we've got it in at the moment and if and basically, we're going to reduce down from that. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1238.09 1241.6 But the current one, you'd say would be fancy, would be too 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1231.69 1233.04 the speech 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1231.96 1232.75 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1235.24 1235.55 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1242.11 1242.76 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1243.26 1248.81 Um, for for innovation, so we've got the speech the speech thing, and 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1242.83 1243.26 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1247.72 1248.31 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1250.16 1251.75 I would've said about a two as well. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1252.45 1253.02 Do you reckon a two? 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1254.95 1255.85 I'd be happy with a two. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1253.01 1254.95 Yeah, two or three. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1255.14 1257.02 Okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1257.91 1262.33 And the next one is I'll have to get it back up now. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1257.02 1257.91 Two. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1256.49 1256.88 Oh. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1265.8 1266.66 I would've said yes. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1266.66 1268.83 I would go for a one on that at this point in time. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1264.92 1265.8 Easy to use. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1262.52 1264.92 The next on Well, I can just sing about. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1270.35 1270.68 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1272.15 1272.59 Okay. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1272.52 1273.57 Yeah, I would say so as well. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1281.08 1283.64 Well, yeah it certainly has some. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1276.8 1281.08 Um, incorporates elements of fashion to attract buyer. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1282.22 1282.83 Um 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1284.27 1287.18 Yeah, it's got the cherry and the sponginess. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1285 1285.88 It does, yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1286.19 1286.6 Um 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1287.38 1287.69 Yep. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1288.5 1289.94 Say about a three maybe? 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1290.8 1291.48 I don't know. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1290.98 1294.49 Yeah, m um Yeah, it was just doing it quite well. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1294.49 1298.14 Um, I think we're gonna have to lose some of these, but the moment, as it stands, it's um 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1291.8 1292.7 Maybe two? 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1294.66 1295.01 Yep. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1297.61 1300.43 Yeah, I woulda said two would seem reasonable. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1298.02 1298.59 It's a two. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1302.24 1304.54 The product is a recognisable real 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1305.68 1309.28 r uh reaction product? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1307.89 1308.58 Yeah, this is 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1309.38 1315.79 Uh the sensor using all of its all of its products, all of its buttons, and it's got a fairly big label on the bottom saying 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1309.41 1310.17 This 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1316.29 1318.01 Yeah, that's a bit rough at the minute. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1316.64 1316.99 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1316.88 1317.84 where it comes from. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1318.04 1324.92 So this is about sort of the corporate image of like new sort of sleek technology and all that sort of thing 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1324.92 1326.8 as well as having the logo on and all that. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1326.8 1327.83 So sort of 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1319.92 1320.13 Oh. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1325.07 1325.47 Okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1331.33 1332.86 Is it sort of a recognisable product. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1332.86 1338.44 Does it fit in with our other other products, which uh are sort of coffee makers and spacecraft. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1338.03 1342 S 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1341.13 1345.44 Uh, well it's got the same um speech feature as the coffee machine. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1341.16 1342.06 What do y 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1352.69 1354.97 Um, it depends which way you look at it. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1345.82 1352.69 Also it's kind of spongy rubberiness is maybe bit more kinda comfortable than kinda sleek and new age. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1351.55 1352.12 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1353.82 1354.1 Uh-huh. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1355.65 1356.57 Okay. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1356.57 1357.51 So we're going for a 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1356.59 1356.97 So 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1360.68 1360.88 Uh d 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1359 1360.68 Maybe a kind of three? 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1359.8 1362.07 two, three? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1361.64 1362.31 Two or three? 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1362.96 1367.99 Well, the logo would be more um recognisable on the actual thing. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1370.59 1371.23 But um, 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1367.99 1370.59 It's just that the pen wouldn't really write on that paper. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1361.7 1362.96 Yeah, two or three. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1369.73 1370.01 Sure. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1371.32 1371.65 Yeah. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1372.37 1375.08 I think the logo would definitely be recognisable. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1380.05 1380.73 Go for it. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1375.08 1378.86 And it does have attributes that other products do. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1379.41 1380.05 Aye. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1378.86 1379.41 Two? 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1380.9 1381.53 Right, okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1381.27 1382.38 Two or three. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1385.5 1386.43 Right, come on. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1383.34 1385.5 Two. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1388.9 1389.31 So 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1388.01 1388.9 Right. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1386.43 1388.01 That's that decided. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1384.3 1385.58 How 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1386.44 1386.93 Okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1386.11 1386.44 Two. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1390.08 1390.96 Right. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1391.08 1397.53 So we're now on to changing it to get it to fit in with the budget requirements, and then 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1397.48 1398.38 Yeah. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1400.16 1402.1 Do we add them up and rate or anything? 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1398.37 1400.16 What does what do all them numbers mean then? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1410.64 1412.94 One point eight isn't it or something. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1412.94 1414.05 I think, anyway. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1401.35 1410.64 Yeah we s yeah, I think we sort of add them up so sort of at an average is gonna be I'm just gonna do this in my head. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1407.25 1407.86 About a two. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1409.75 1410.1 Two. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1415.2 1416.52 So yeah, pretty close to a two. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1417.4 1418.74 Yeah, so it's 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1417.45 1417.98 So 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1418.85 1422.25 So it's I mean it's pretty good at the moment, but it's gonna get worse, isn't it. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1422.25 1425.61 But we've gotta try and make sure it doesn't get too bad. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1422.61 1422.93 Yep. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1431.81 1434.3 Okay, so we need to 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1424.58 1431.81 So should we get So are definite Was it thirteen point seven was the definite price rule if has. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1424.86 1426.96 Two b two b two, yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1431.22 1431.56 Yes. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1431.64 1431.9 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1434.94 1441.16 Well, you can lose one point two and still meet the requirements. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1439.38 1442.29 Do you wanna plug it into yours so we can get up the 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1443.09 1445.57 Okay, well I put it back on. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1444.43 1446.28 the finances 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1444.54 1447.67 So I guess this Is this the last stage once we sort out the finances part of it? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1449.07 1450.23 I'm not sure. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1451.28 1452.74 we'll probably have to re-rate it. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1453.27 1454.43 Yes, I would've thought so. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1454.69 1458.14 Yeah, yeah we'll make the adjustments and then see how are rates are going. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1454.85 1455.01 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1459.02 1463.56 Okay, so what was it, control uh F. eight, wasn't it? 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1463.47 1463.98 Ah it's on. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1463.68 1465.13 it's come on already. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1478.85 1479.7 You've got 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1468.2 1469.17 Right, okay. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1469.17 1473.62 So, you can see there that the If you want to keep kinetic, right,
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1465.56 1468.2 How kind. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1464.72 1465.32 Oh. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1465.32 1465.56 Oh. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1473.62 1478.85 you've got a choice there of going down to battery, which would save you one. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1481.86 1485.46 the sample sensor and and sample speaker, which is your big item. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1487.91 1494.35 Oh actually we just have a plastic case, then we lose two points, which gets us um 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1490.8 1491.32 That's right. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1495.18 1495.48 Mm. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1495.65 1496.89 Which gets you 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1496.67 1498.06 In right within the budget range. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1498.21 1498.57 Yes. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1499.44 1500.3 Yeah, I think that'd be fine. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1500.3 1502.79 Because that was just a trend, and we do have rubber buttons anyway. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1502.72 1507.28 So that's eleven point seven, and then we could make sure we definitely had all the button supplements. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1503.54 1503.93 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1509.2 1519.69 I was I was thinking that because maybe maybe the sort of rubber case is a bit less in sort of the corporate identity than the sort of you know sleeker plastic case. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1508.99 1509.2 Yeah 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1507.24 1508.99 Different different colours, yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1507.26 1507.68 Alright. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1517.7 1518.36 Possibly, yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1519.88 1520.45 Um 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1520.07 1520.43 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1522.1 1523.52 Okay, so 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1524.43 1527.74 So we'd lose a little bit on the maybe kind of 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1522.32 1524.43 And that would allow us to have all the technical innovations. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1527.67 1529.07 So we're going for plastic, yes? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1528.71 1530.8 Lose a little bit on the fashion, yeah, but 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1530.82 1531.17 Yep. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1533.08 1535.97 Oh yeah, and that would now be Yeah, that's that's within the budget. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1535.97 1536.57 Um 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1533.08 1533.56 And then 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1538.07 1543.05 Do we actually have Do we just have one special uh special forms down here? 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1543.06 1547.65 Well, uh w uh there was debate as to how you would count them. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1547.65 1548.8 You got special colour. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1548.8 1553.35 Well originally I was assuming we had the red apple, and therefore, that was the special colour. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1547.39 1548.06 Um 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1553.41 1555.23 Yeah, I think we should just imagine white buttons. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1553.82 1560.74 And we we've we've got we've got enough for another we've got nought point eight left, so we've got enough for another 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1557.73 1558.17 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1561.46 1566.63 Now that would be one button, and the question was was that all buttons or is that just one button. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1559.86 1561.46 Well, we've got special form. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1566.63 1574.35 'Cause our plan really was to have one button only with a special So so no matter how you look at that, that would be the same. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1574.35 1577.59 The other thing would then be special material, rubber, wood, titanium. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1570.56 1571.58 Yeah, um 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1572.78 1576.16 But the but but but the 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1577.59 1582.31 I think maybe the special colour, we've got three now just because the volume buttons are different 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1586.98 1590.2 Yeah, which I think we should Yeah, they'll still be fine for the for the price. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1582.31 1586.98 I guess we'd have the ones which are blue at the moment would would just be the standard colour. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1580.89 1581.62 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1584.2 1584.97 Alright. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1584.97 1586.97 So, special colour, you want three in there. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1589.85 1590.38 Okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1594.35 1599.08 One original colour and then sort of two supplements, I think maybe. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1590.02 1594.35 Well I thin I think you you you just need two for the special colour 'cause it's just two supplements, you know. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1598.51 1599.83 That makes sense. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1599.95 1601.28 Okay, uh that's probably it. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1605.7 1609.48 The one colour's gonna be moulded out of a piece of plas uh of rubber, isn't it. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1601.23 1603.5 So we only ne we only need two for that. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1600.29 1601.23 Okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1603.5 1605.7 'Cause I mean these these are moulded. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1600.48 1600.85 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1603.02 1603.6 Okay. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1609.66 1611.54 Yeah, I would agree with that, I think. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1609.07 1609.66 Okay. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1611.54 1612.81 So special colours, two. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1614.43 1614.64 Right. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1614.56 1618.94 And we've got special form is the one apple. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1625.5 1628.39 I was presuming, bigger than the other ones, or were you? 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1628.39 1629.49 Was that the idea? 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1618.94 1625.5 The rest are all standard, although you could argue that should maybe be You were making these buttons down the bottom,
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1628.32 1629.63 Ne uh 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1629.54 1631.76 Yeah, the volume ones should stand out a bit. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1633.11 1635.24 Then there's a spe a second special form. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1630.71 1633.11 Maybe that'll be a second supplement. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1633.02 1633.58 Yeah, that 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1636.67 1644 I would have thought that's probably about r well. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1635.98 1636.67 Uh-huh. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1636.03 1636.47 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1636.76 1637.74 Um 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1638.95 1639.95 Well you got you got twelve. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1646.17 1646.89 Okay, so tha 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1648.12 1649.17 So I think that should still be okay. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1649.17 1651.53 Yeah, that's twelve point three, so we're still 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1649.89 1650.14 Right. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1653.09 1655.45 within budget on that. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1655.45 1656.09 Um 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1654.4 1656.81 Yep, that makes sense. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1658.97 1663.46 So decide we've lost a little bit on the fashion and lost a bit on the fancy kinda side of it,
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1663.46 1666.82 but generally speaking, we've kept the other attributes to the 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1662.95 1663.27 Yep. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1666.68 1667.76 I woulda said so. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1667.76 1667.98 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1667.98 1674.46 So you'd maybe put fash fan uh fashion at three rather than two. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1670.96 1672.15 That's without 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1673.29 1677.5 So shall we do a Well, um 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1673.78 1674.42 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1675.92 1683.13 And specially it definitely could fits the the real product What was the what's the company name? 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1684.45 1685.48 Real Reactions? 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1684.92 1689.07 Real Reaction produ I'm not quite sure, what does that mean? 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1688.67 1694.96 I mean it still seems definitely fit that p so that's like if that's the new age kind of um inno innovative 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1685.42 1686.63 R yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1686.63 1688.67 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1686.49 1687.12 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1695.86 1697.09 Yeah, so 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1696.46 1703.15 c type company, then um having the kinetic feature and the voice recognition is p quite high up on 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1701.09 1701.39 Uh 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1701.62 1703.32 Yep I would s 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1710.92 1712.71 Like we got a cherry one. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1716.7 1717.43 I don't know. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1717.43 1720.8 That would be poss seeing as seeing as it's cheaper to make them a different 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1702.48 1710.92 So it's w if we've if we've put in for another special form on a button, then maybe they could be a different shape. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1712.71 1716.7 Maybe other ones could be something else shaped. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1717.64 1718.28 Um 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1717.99 1718.56 You mean of 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1725.61 1732.59 so And that would sort of maybe keep us close on the sort of the fashion type one. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1721.92 1725.61 seeing as we've got, you know, we've made it a a special form 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1732.59 1735.9 And it would sort of, you know, keep it quite fancy as well, I don't know. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1735.58 1735.82 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1752.99 1753.43 And that 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1735.91 1742.57 Well you could argue you might do it once a year, you would change, because at the moment you're making a red apple. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1742.57 1750.7 So next year you could make next year's model the same, but have it as a a yeah whate whatever, a lemon. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1750.7 1752.99 Yeah, l a lemon lemon or something. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1742.11 1743.54 Yeah so it's a 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1742.16 1742.75 Well you could 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1747.28 1747.67 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1748.13 1751.28 Whatever fruit was in fashion next year. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1752.45 1756.4 Yeah, I mean the volume buttons could be lemons or something, maybe. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1756.19 1756.67 amount 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1757.32 1757.77 Okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1759.33 1761.92 So, we've what have we what have we rid of. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1761.92 1762.88 We got rid of 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1763.88 1764.94 the plastic. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1768.57 1769.32 We've 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1765.28 1768.57 Yeah, we've the main thing we've changed really is the casing isn't it? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1765.92 1767.33 Is it The rubber. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1769.42 1773.58 I think we've saved quite a bit because we've just got the push-button interface, which is by far the cheapest. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1766.46 1769.42 That yeah, that was uh that was just about all. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1768.71 1769.12 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1774.17 1774.57 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1774.79 1775.44 Um 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1777.11 1777.84 But uh 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1785.08 1788.51 And that is like the most standard type of button. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1783.83 1785.08 I dunno. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1777.3 1783.83 So maybe in a sense not having that, maybe we've lost some maybe lost something on the innovation side? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1789.11 1791.76 So I mean, we've got we got rid of the rubber case, but 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1798.17 1804.66 So maybe in terms of sort of fanciness and fashionability, we're pretty much the same, maybe. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1804.66 1807.19 So, I mean we could maybe put two again on them. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1792.79 1798.17 we've now s we now sort of got an extra form, and an extra colour for the buttons. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1803.8 1804.07 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1809.75 1812.36 And everything else has stayed pretty much the same, so 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1811.58 1813.16 Well, ease has certainly stayed. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1813.62 1817 Yeah, plus if anything that is special forms makes it slightly easier to 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1814.11 1814.32 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1816.99 1817.29 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1818.57 1820.05 And what about the sort of innovation? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1817.59 1818.57 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1818.07 1818.56 to use. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1822.65 1823.69 Um 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1820.68 1822.65 Um, well we've still got the kinetic energy. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1820.7 1821.35 Do you think 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1822.75 1823.86 Okay. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1823.78 1825.12 And the speech feature. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1825.28 1826.23 Yeah, the speech feature. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1826.54 1829.03 And then, the corporate identity. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1829.65 1830.84 I think we've cut just about the same. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1830.84 1831.84 We've maybe lost 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1832.85 1836.84 Hasn't it It's hard to tell how the rubber the rubber casing would really affect 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1837.54 1837.81 Oh. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1835.5 1837.54 How it would play out, yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1837.39 1837.89 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1837.89 1840.05 Whether whether that's considered to be sort of 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1842.18 1844.18 part of the corporate identity, I don't know. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1845.26 1846.15 I mean, it's maybe not. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1846.15 1846.62 I mean 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1845.34 1845.97 Um 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1847.08 1853.74 But I think more the the features of the actual control will be more important than maybe than the the actual aesthetics, but 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1851.93 1852.36 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1853.92 1854.37 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1855.52 1858.75 But either way, I think we've made it fairly close to what 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1859.08 1860.08 Okay, well I mean 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1858.68 1859.08 Yeah. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1859.45 1861.53 Yeah, I don't see how we could make it any more. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1862.6 1863.8 Um, apart from maybe 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1862.65 1862.97 We cou 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1865.11 1868.11 doing the whole thing in the kinda light shade of blue, like the casing. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1868.98 1869.28 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1870.96 1872.63 But then what colour would you make the R. s? 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1876.23 1879.65 So maybe there's like a set design which we get printed off. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1874.06 1876.23 just the the company logo. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1878.96 1883.81 Well, but you've got the company logo on there, which would effectively be a stick-on badge. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1887.52 1890.88 And then y but you've got the space for it to stick it on. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1883.81 1887.52 So you're in a sense, you're comparing the product without the company logo. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1878.96 1879.32 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1883.75 1884.22 Okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1887.45 1887.89 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1889.82 1890.49 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1891.02 1892.54 Hey, what what what's the company colour? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1892.54 1895.01 Did you get told what the company colour is or 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1894.38 1896.85 I'm still not quite sure we've established that. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1897.14 1899.58 No, I just We got the logo off the web browser. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1897.67 1898.25 Don't think so. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1898.25 1905.33 But but i but in the sense that, as you saw with um the Windows logo badge, it doesn't really matter. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1914.78 1921.2 so long as our company's logo is framed w in the same way as that with a like a black outline. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1921.2 1925.15 Fact, they've got black and white or black and silver. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1931.58 1939.98 because you've got effectively a double edging on the uh on the logo, it means that it splits off what your logo is from the from the product. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1905.33 1914.78 There's virtually n The way that you frame, you know, the Windows badge on there, it really doesn't matter what colour it is 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1939.98 1943.31 And that's actually quite a sneaky way of doing it. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1925.15 1931.58 So basically, even if you had a silver the same colour of silver on your display,
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1900.78 1901.42 Oh right. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1913.2 1913.44 Hmm. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1919.74 1920.06 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1925.2 1926.24 Mm. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1941.17 1941.86 Okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1944.43 1948.43 'Cause you've got sort of we've got point two to play with if you really wanted to. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1943.57 1944.43 Uh-huh. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1954.3 1959.52 Well, we decided that the blue ones were the um the standard colour. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1948.72 1954.3 You could put in another Well, in this one, you've actually got three colours of buttons. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1959.52 1971.24 So you were talking about uh um We're assuming that all the buttons on the second panel, the hidden away panel, would all be standard. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1949.84 1950.76 Another colour. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1950.76 1952.37 Or would that be t 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1953.91 1954.34 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1958.95 1959.47 Okay. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1971.57 1971.84 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1971.81 1972.16 Yeah. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1973.07 1973.55 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1973.14 1973.58 Which 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1975.32 1977.56 m may or may not be the case. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1977.53 1978.11 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 1978.11 1982.25 Shall we save the point two for profitability then? 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 1978.15 1978.72 Um 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1980.74 1981.4 Well, yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1988.97 1995 on the second page, as it were, that uh you were thinking of maybe having as a different colour? 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 1981.4 1988.97 Bu but but uh was the was there not a button that you were thinking of on the um on the other opt you know,
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2002.07 2004.75 Needs to be an enter button, but could just be the same as well. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1996.08 1998.29 Um, I don't think they would really need to be. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 1998.29 2002.07 I think if they were just all small round blue buttons, it'd be fine. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2001.79 2002.92 Yeah, maybe we've m 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2012.97 2017.28 we don't worry too much about that and just have that as like a plus it's hidden away anyway, you're not gonna see it at the start. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2011.47 2012.97 And then for the more functional buttons,
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2004.84 2011.47 Maybe for the the one they're gonna see all the time, we make it look good, and um, fit the kind of idea of what they want. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2008.72 2008.96 Hmm. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2030.17 2033.24 So it may be sort of different colour buttons isn't so important. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2017.13 2017.66 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2017.66 2023.88 I mean it's the sort of thing that, I mean, you wanna pick up the controller and just hit a button quickly to change the channel or volume. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2026.12 2030.17 But if you're opening the panel and you're looking and you're tuning, then you're paying a bit more attention. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2023.88 2026.12 So, if it's dead obvious, then that's fine. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2021.96 2022.93 Yeah, well 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2033.52 2034.01 Alright. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2034.01 2034.4 Okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2034.05 2035.15 'Cause you Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2035.83 2036.04 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2036.52 2039.08 So we just add that to profitability in effect. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2036.52 2037.26 So 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2039.26 2042.9 Yeah, I mean so we've dropped the cost, but 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2039.62 2044.88 Right, so we're meant to finish up in five minutes. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2040.26 2040.6 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2046.51 2049.01 The criteria? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2049.92 2053.03 Just made a load of money. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2045.17 2046.51 Same sort of function? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2049.01 2049.92 It's alright. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2049.82 2050.23 'Kay. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2062.26 2065.37 Shouldn't we maybe lose a point on fashion, go to a three? 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2065.37 2067.15 'Cause we've lost the overall spongy feel. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2068.32 2072.4 'Cause it doesn't seem right that it just hasn't changed at all. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2071.96 2073.51 Well, but I think we said that w 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2081.37 2082.63 le lemon sh 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2074.61 2081.37 Because you got rid of the rubber, we put an extra an extra sort of fruit um shape on one of the buttons. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2084.44 2085.29 On the volume ones? 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2081.36 2082.05 Alright. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2082.05 2084.44 Did we decide what that was, which button it was? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2092.07 2094.52 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2090.63 2092.07 Or something like that. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2084.09 2090.63 I think well, we could have lemon shaped ones with the volume ones or something. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2086.84 2090.38 Right. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2088.82 2091.08 Uh,. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2091.08 2092.07 That's good. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2095.23 2096.21 Definitely lemon shaped. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2108.89 2109.92 Or was it the other way around? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2105.48 2108.89 Did did you have to have a rubber case, though, for rubber buttons? 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2110.67 2113.21 You had to have rubber buttons if you had the rubber case. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2113.21 2114.61 So I think we can we're okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2112.73 2113.62 Right, okay. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2114.1 2115.34 So we're okay this way around. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2113.01 2114.1 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2115.53 2115.73 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2118.46 2120.65 So that so we've saved 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2119.48 2121.9 Until the design team comes in and says, get off. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2121.9 2123.81 But you are the design team. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2124.12 2125.9 Then we say it's fine, so it's all good. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2127.98 2130.03 Saved two Euros on that. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2152.65 2154.62 So what bit are we on to? 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2165.16 2167.54 And did we make it a cherry officially? 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2167.54 2167.81 Right. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2159.46 2162.9 Um, can I just check if that's a cherry or an apple? 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2162.9 2165.16 Did we decide against the apple because of Apple Mac? 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2166.81 2169.08 I th I th Oh. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2165.81 2166.81 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2169.08 2170.09 Right, okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2167.07 2167.32 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2170.54 2175.44 Just in case we need that point two for lawsuits and such like. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2180.38 2182.92 Oh drats, I've botched that, haven't I. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2209.92 2212.32 So were we aiming for a certain target on that scale? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2213.81 2216.17 Well, we're aiming for um one for all of them. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2217.46 2220.17 M but it really has to fit into the budget, so 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2217.69 2218.05 Right. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2221.03 2223.1 I guess we just have to adjust things to 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2224.11 2225.21 get it i in the 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2226.77 2228.13 Which is fair enough. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2227.67 2230.64 And we seem to have least something in each criteria. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2231.48 2231.75 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2231.82 2233.53 We haven't completely left anything out, so 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2234.02 2234.76 Yeah, I think 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2236.11 2237 most 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2236.17 2239.37 As an overall product which has to be quite cheap, we've just about achieved 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2239.16 2239.48 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2240.67 2241.09 everything. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2241.17 2241.78 Yep. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2251.28 2252.91 So do we have anything else to discuss? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2254.43 2255.48 I don't know. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2255.48 2256.64 What's on the agenda? 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2264.23 2267.05 Right, okay um 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2269.36 2270.16 What's happened here? 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2284.21 2286.9 Right, okay um 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2296.14 2296.65 Mm. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2303.3 2308.11 Right, okay um, Right. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2308.11 2308.92 So we got 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2311.13 2312.12 We've got the closing. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2311.54 2312.82 So we've done the 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2314.02 2317.85 the finance bit and the Excel project and the We've done the redesign. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2317.85 2320.67 So we're now on to project process. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2321.36 2328.94 Now satisfaction with, for example, room for creativity, leadership, teamwork, means, et cetera, whiteboard, digital pens, et cetera. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2328.94 2332.06 So, we're actually now uh, in a sense 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2332.06 2338.25 on to the evaluation of the course rather than the evaluation of the project is m my understanding of it. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2336.55 2336.85 Uh-huh. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2346.94 2348.63 So, um 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2339.27 2346.94 So what did you and remembering that nobody's just over the curtain. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2350.46 2353.04 Finish your meeting now. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2353.76 2355.34 We should just go through this quickly and then 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2354.27 2354.55 Huh. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2355.52 2355.81 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2355.78 2356.2 So 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2359.6 2364.91 I suppose the easiest way of doing it is to put some notes down, which I will do. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2366.39 2366.9 Okay. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2372.77 2374.6 Right, okay, so 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2367.59 2372.77 So, uh I think I have to finish that page. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2372.51 2373.94 Oh. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2383.67 2385.96 So, um 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2382.48 2383.67 Project evaluation. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2389.46 2390.39 Creativity. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2396.52 2397.47 Well um 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2392.12 2396.52 Did you feel you got a chance to express yourselves well enough? 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2396.63 2396.88 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2395.9 2396.63 Um, yeah. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2396.5 2396.91 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2397.81 2403.21 I thought some of the divisions though between sort of the individual meetings were a bit arbitrary. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2405.84 2406.4 How do you mean? 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2404.48 2405.84 Individual meetings. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2407.05 2409.96 Well, we were finding out various things in 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2406.19 2407.05 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2411.08 2411.96 In you on your own. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2425.91 2430.75 but in the first one you'd also looked at some remote controls and looked at the buttons 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2422.41 2425.91 you know, you'd looked at the remote controls and seen the curviness 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2430.75 2434.29 and I don't understand why it would be in separate meetings that you'd do that. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2417.73 2422.41 you know, sort of we had things thrown in at the second meeting where,
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2411.38 2417.73 in be in-between the meetings, and they didn't the one meeting didn't always follow on for the other one,
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2434.29 2437.85 You know, you'd sort of you'd probably present it at one or something like that. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2422.09 2423.13 Um 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2446.67 2448.37 Then you go away. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2438.73 2442.34 Mm, The only thing you find is in a manufacturing process,
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2442.34 2446.67 you would normally, you go to a meeting, you decide, right, you do this, you do that, you do that. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2454.85 2455.26 So 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2448.37 2449.79 You find out information. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2451.57 2454.85 You then go and change things around, and then go back. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2449.79 2450.59 You then come back. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2450.59 2451.57 You then discuss it. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2446.13 2446.77 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2451.92 2452.28 Uh-huh. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2454.84 2455.15 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2454.94 2459.81 Yeah, I suppose and then be going out and finding more information each time and then diff things will be relevant. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2458.04 2463.16 Whereas, this time, you're really getting it from a database source, so it's not uh well uh Anyway,
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2466.59 2467.57 I've put, seemed okay. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2469.07 2489.16 Um um flow of information on on any given subject given subject um sometimes disjointed. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2463.16 2466.59 so, what do you want to put down? 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2467.57 2469.07 Creativity, seemed okay. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2458.64 2459.28 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2461.56 2462.12 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2488.63 2489.05 Yeah. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2494.81 2497.98 I mean a remote control isn't the most um 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2490.98 2494.81 I think it maybe could have been a slightly more creative project. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2499.8 2501.16 Yeah, the thing itself. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2500.33 2502.37 kind of fancy thing that you could imagine designing. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2501.07 2502.37 Um 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2503.35 2505.4 I can't think of a better example at the minute. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2503.39 2504.07 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2505.01 2510.69 Have could have used a different 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2512.35 2519.05 example pel to increase create 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2517.09 2517.42 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2517.73 2521.25 Is this go It kinda kis fits the purpose that it was something everyone knows about and then 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2521.62 2522.42 Creativity. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2522.23 2525.37 something we can at least look at and think how we can improve on. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2524.41 2524.69 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2524.66 2528.04 You have to do it within a set time frame is the other thing, so 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2528.46 2534.62 But think like it was a bit restrictive just to say that you have to design a television remote control, in a way. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2527.27 2528.46 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2537.96 2547.92 From the website it looks it's quite innovative, but we're coming up with some bucket shop product aren't we that's, you know, fifteen quid. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2534.62 2536.53 I mean it depends what sort of business you're in, I guess. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2536.53 2537.96 I mean this one seems. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2546.54 2549.39 Like uh, companies can have like a range of products and 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2545.52 2546.54 one of those things. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2550.48 2551.78 I th I uh d 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2550.54 2554.8 I don't know how it works but I guess that something got sent out and have like a brief to kind of 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2579.4 2585.25 you got a problem, so you go to your tutor and find out information to see how to get it fixed. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2585.25 2597.94 So what she's doing is she's having to spend a day at the computer terminal at one end so that any student that comes along can uh ask whatever question. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2612.61 2618.85 either at the library, or uh or or come back, or go and see Joe Bloggs, or whatever. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2597.94 2607.09 And then you or the idea is that the whichever uh person's at the other end can point them in the right direction,
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2555.54 2569.96 But the other thing is that uh they're I'm guessing that they're trying to use this um software to to demonstrate how you could uh do a project. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2569.96 2579.4 I mean, m my wife at the moment, for instance, is uh acting as a computer um for um you normally,
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2607.09 2612.61 show them where to either give them directly give them help, or secondly, point them in the right direction,
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2569.98 2570.48 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2584 2584.35 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2624.64 2633.6 because they they were actually trying to debug the uh computer software to enable um to enable it to work. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2619.35 2624.64 So uh, and that was a project I suspect similar to this 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2639.92 2640.24 So 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2633.6 2639.92 And of course, you had the machine crashing and various things going wrong. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2633.64 2633.94 Hmm. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2635.73 2635.95 Yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2641.46 2643.42 I think there's one one more to go. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2638.86 2641.46 Well, sh we look at the last slide, see if it's got anything else. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2638.88 2639.09 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2641.68 2643.22 Alright, so we've got uh 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2643.38 2643.58 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2644.88 2652.6 I mean if you look at their products on their website here, Real Reaction, I mean it's all pretty high-tech and cutting edge. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2652.6 2654.01 And 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2652.54 2656.6 New ideas found, did we find any, no. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2655.08 2658.5 It was quite good with this um the white board, having that and the digital pens. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2658.5 2660.01 Like, that's something that made it a little easier. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2658.92 2660.35 Alright. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2660.35 2662.18 Leadership, teamwork. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2660.34 2660.6 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2659.25 2660.34 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2668.69 2669.57 batteries, I think. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2667 2668.69 I've never seen one of them before. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2669.57 2670.51 So 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2662.44 2667 we did find a new idea, I mean sort of a kinetic remote control. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2669.62 2672.25 voice recognition, especially not could 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2669.81 2670.41 Does 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2672.82 2673.4 Mm yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2673.24 2677.87 You've got voice recognition computers, that's not remote controls. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2675.4 2675.67 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2677.38 2677.68 Yeah. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2678.02 2679.62 Well it's a different application of it. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2680.17 2682.41 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2682.41 2682.76 Okay, 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2682.35 2685.33 Yeah, so it's just like the same products, but just put together in a different way. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2685.12 2685.35 Mm. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2685.6 2687.49 so how do you reckon teamwork went? 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2688.61 2689.04 Um 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2689.01 2690.43 That went okay, yeah. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2691.1 2693.61 Yeah, I guess we all had separate ideas and then discussed them. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2693.92 2694.84 Mm-hmm, yeah. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2694.31 2694.59 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2705.65 2706.88 Okay. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2698.25 2705.65 To uh go uh reasonably well. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2706.6 2713.44 I don't think sort of the budget um allowed us to do anything 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2711.9 2714.11 Bit bit arbitrary. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2717.8 2720.69 I mean, they've got all these sort of, you know, 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2714.32 2717.8 Well, I mean I don't think it I just don't think it fitted in with the rest of their products. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2720.5 2720.94 Mm-hmm. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2721.99 2723.99 high definition D. V. D. and 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2725.32 2735.33 portable seven inch d um lightweight computer screens, and uh I'm thinking, do you know, one cheap remote control doesn't really fit in. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2735.33 2737 Surely they they should produ 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2733.33 2745.03 So, we're m we're meant to comment on leadership and the means, E. G. whiteboard, digital pens, et cetera. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2745.03 2748.13 And and new i new ideas found was the the other thing. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2744.65 2746.82 Well leadership's a bit of a funny one, isn't it. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2749.01 2749.39 Yeah. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2750.78 2756.78 But we can't really all fairly comment on leadership because you are the Project Manager. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2758.03 2760.96 So our experience of leadership wasn't really 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2756.78 2758.03 You were the leader. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2762.29 2762.86 as much as yours. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2762.34 2762.91 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2764.29 2764.62 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2777.16 2784.82 However, um Alright uh means, so whiteboard um so really, it's uh equipment. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2765.43 2777.16 Now, I'd much rather be in marketing but I certainly didn't get this uh computer to work as well as I would have liked. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2784.82 2785.08 Oh. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2786.75 2789.01 It worked. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2785.38 2786.75 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2789.01 2793.38 Comput computers could be a bit difficult at times but 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2788.74 2790.03 Yeah, very nice. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2796.79 2799.76 But I mean, I d I don't I'm not sure I see the value in these. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2803.92 2805.76 Where do you get the recording? 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2805.76 2807.73 Do you plug the computer or something? 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2799.76 2803.92 I mean, they record what you're writing, and then what do you do with it? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2806.46 2810.04 I think there's a little there's a little um chi 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2809.76 2812.3 So it's not just for us, it's for the experiment as a whole, so 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2812.34 2817.16 There's a little there's a little chip, I think you must plug it into something and it produces a 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2814.56 2816.2 Should we quickly look at the last slide? 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2816.2 2816.72 Sh 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2817.12 2818.85 I think you watch a video of it kind of. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2816.26 2817.12 Right. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2819.94 2824.69 Whether it just produces a big image of sort of everything you've written or something, and Page after page. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2819.37 2819.94 I don't know. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2823.7 2824.47 Right. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2824.47 2828.04 New ideas found, so one or two. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2827.16 2827.66 Yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2828.76 2831.29 Kinetic powered remote control. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2831.29 2831.78 Um, 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2833.09 2833.82 what was the other one? 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2834.82 2837.68 Voice um recognition thing. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2836.11 2836.73 Vo yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2840.4 2842.33 um 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2845.51 2847.33 and uh 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2849.25 2850.02 voice 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2851.32 2853.76 uh, was it voice activated um 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2854.73 2856.02 Voice recognition, yeah. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2856.02 2856.52 S 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2855.99 2856.8 recognition. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2864.25 2867.93 To fill in these fill in these questionnaires 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2863.76 2864.25 Almost. 
ES2014d H02 FEE055 2864.67 2866.38 Pretty much. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2879.43 2882.75 Then celebration. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2873.49 2876.54 Is the project evaluated, yes. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2876.54 2879.43 Uh, don't forget to complete final questionnaire and meeting summary. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2866.73 2873.49 Right, so, uh are the costs within budget, yes. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2871.59 2872.67 Oh no. 
ES2014d H01 MEE054 2882.65 2885.63 Is that everything? 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2885.91 2889.97 I think that we've got two questionnaires and a report on the last meeting. 
ES2014d H03 MEE056 2884.77 2885.91 Hmm? 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2888.32 2888.6 Yeah. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2893.21 2897.62 Uh, so we don't re So really 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2900.08 2905.61 I tried to save this the last time at twelve point three, and it didn't seem to have saved anywhere. 
ES2014d H00 MEE053 2905.61 2911.32 Mind you, the the figure last was was different, but it should be poss 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 62.51 63.43 Alright, that did nothing. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 63.43 64.63 Okay. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 64.63 65.81 Welcome to the meeting everyone. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 67.89 70.02 Just gonna attempt to make this into a slide show. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 83.27 84.37 Sorry guys. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 87.42 89.35 Oh, okay. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 84.83 87.42 You may have to do the function F. eight thing. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 86.81 87.68 I did. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 87.68 88.15 Twice. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 93.57 96.89 This'll just take a moment. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 94.66 96.62 Okay okay 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 102.17 102.8 Or it won't. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 123.12 126.43 Okay we'll have to deal with it like this then. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 128.05 135.79 This is the first meeting uh for developing our, our new product. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 126.43 127.23 Alright. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 135.79 137.34 I'm Heather, I'm your Project Manager. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 127.23 128.05 Um. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 124.71 126.32 Okay. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 137.97 139.22 Hello. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 146.51 150.88 If everyone could go around and explain their role and um, and their name. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 139.08 139.94 Okay. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 141.66 142.99 So that was the opening. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 142.99 146.51 The first thing we'll do is get acquainted with one another. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 139.94 141.66 So um. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 156.66 160.81 Um, I'm going to be responsible for the functional design phase. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 152.85 153.76 My name's Poppy. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 153.76 156.66 I'm the Industrial Designer for this project. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 160.81 165.33 Also the conceptual design and the detailed design for the final product. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 152.51 152.85 Okay. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 166.65 168.15 Nice to meet you Poppy. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 167.12 173.41 My name's Tara and I'm the User Interface Designer. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 173.41 184.7 I will also be responsible for the functional design phase, the conceptual design phase and the detailed design phase of the user interface design. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 167.55 168.47 Okay. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 185.01 185.8 Alright. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 185.73 186.52 Hi, I'm Genevieve. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 188.81 190.22 I'm an expert at marketing. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 190.22 194.78 Um, I'll be telling you guys about the user requirement specifications for our new product. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 186.52 188.81 I'm the Marketing Expert. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 194.78 202.27 Um, I'll be doing some trend-watching in the conceptual design, and product evaluation for the design phase. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 203.11 204.72 Alright I'm Heather and I've 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 205.83 208.06 I said I'm your Project Manager, um 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 209.56 212.48 Well you can pretty much read what it is that I'm doing. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 212.48 215.12 But um um 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 217.42 218.03 Yeah. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 220.66 222.03 And uh tool training 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 223.04 229.21 is one thing that we're going to be doing today, um um as well as planning the project, how we're going to,
ES2015a H00 FEE057 235.56 242.28 um, our aims and objects of this, uh Which brings us to our next subject, is, um,
ES2015a H00 FEE057 229.21 235.56 uh, create this product, and, um, discuss,
ES2015a H00 FEE057 242.28 248.28 um, as a team we're going to be designing and creating a new kind of remote control. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 258.89 268.73 um, can really appeal to a, to a generation that doesn't want a simple plain kind of, uh, channel-changer. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 274.33 280.66 for people that, um, can't see the numbers as well, or, um, perhaps an ergonomic design. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 249.36 258.89 Um, we want this to be a marketable product that can be trendy, um, a completely new style, so that,
ES2015a H00 FEE057 268.73 274.33 And, um, it needs to be user-friendly for, um, maybe, for an example,
ES2015a H01 FEE058 280.91 281.79 Okay. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 285.85 286.72 Yeah. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 283.04 285.85 So this is a television remote control? 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 285.62 287.94 Yes, it's a television remote control. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 292.27 296.93 I believe I should be taking minutes on this right now. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 296.93 298.58 So, alright. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 290.89 292.27 Right. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 298.35 299.13 Okay. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 302.95 304.02 Um, yeah. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 309.07 316.85 Um, the way that we're going to go about this is, um, we'll have a time where we can, um 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 319.27 326.13 come up with new ideas alone, and, and work on the project and then, um, after we've brainstormed and, and thought about,
ES2015a H00 FEE057 326.13 332.97 we can come together in a meeting and, and discuss what, what um, what kind of functional design we want to use. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 332.97 335.81 Same with conceptual design and detailed design. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 336.92 337.55 So, um, 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 338.68 343.2 making sure that it, it's usable, that as a, um 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 344.34 346.78 and that it's, it's feasible to create, and uh, 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 352.73 354.76 Um, tool training. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 348.34 352.73 to come up with a concept of it want, what we want it to look like. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 354.76 356 Is, is everyone, um 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 358.81 359.6 Great. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 360.7 361.29 Um 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 357.12 358.81 Okay. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 359.6 360.7 Great. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 357.92 358.89 Got those notes. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 357.47 357.92 Yeah. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 358.57 359.48 Thank you. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 358.02 358.57 Yeah. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 371.38 373.94 Um, one of them is our whiteboard. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 392.34 396.3 So, um, I, I'm assuming that we should do that now. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 373.94 381.21 And, um, as a sort of team-building moment, um, I, I'd like us to,
ES2015a H00 FEE057 388.15 392.34 Um, why that, why that should be your favourite animal. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 381.21 388.15 um, try out the whiteboard by expressing our favourite animal and the charac characteristics of that animal. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 363.07 371.38 One thing that, uh, we're going to do is become more acquainted with the, the tools that we have access to for our project. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 396.62 397.58 Okay. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 398.02 399.57 'Kay. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 401.64 402.85 Okay. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 399.57 401.64 With our microphones still attached to our bodies. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 401.2 401.72 Okay. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 401.39 402.36 Gosh. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 412.91 414.41 'Kay, what's my favourite animal? 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 417.4 420.1 Do come up. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 420.69 422.48 Oh, are we all doing it individually? 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 418.3 420.69 Oh, to go first. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 421.24 428.06 This is a team-building time where, um,, okay cool, um 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 422.55 428.28 Yeah. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 423.42 426.36 Okay, let's stand up and support you 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 429.36 433.6 My favourite animal, which changes all the time, okay, 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 436.26 440.59 right now it is an elk. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 440.59 442.27 alright, so 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 439.18 440.62 An elk? 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 440.62 442.56 A vicious 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 439.27 440.64 Okay. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 445.11 446.36 And it goes like 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 450.54 454.03 Yeah it's got like big antlers, yeah. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 460.32 463.39 Looks kinda like, like it has holly growing out of its head. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 467.23 469.11 Do you have elk where you come from? 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 470.91 473.72 Yeah we have moose and we have deer. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 469.65 470.91 Yes. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 470.34 471.08 You do. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 470.91 475.82 We have moose too. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 472.4 472.96 Okay. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 475.14 475.48 Do you have 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 476.34 480.33 We have sheep. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 476.85 478.38 Sheep. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 478.38 479.39 Yeah, cows. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 477.24 481.08 'Kay, um. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 486.07 487.17 Yeah. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 483.86 486.07 That's a great elk. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 484.21 488.94 Uh-oh, we have a good artist. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 484.86 486.85 That is really good. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 486.85 489.32 I'm quite 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 490.35 491.45 This is my 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 486.3 490.35 Thanks. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 492.87 494.57 Oh, very shapely. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 494.62 495.68 Okay. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 514.9 522.66 and although it's gorgeous it's also very dangerous, because it has um strong antlers, and uh 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 503.86 508.9 that um, that um In a way it looks kind of awkward 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 495.68 503.86 That's a sketching of my my elk, and it, it is my favourite animal right now, 'cause it is a large beautiful majestic creature,
ES2015a H00 FEE057 508.9 514.9 because it's on spindly legs and it uh But it can really overcome harsh terrain,
ES2015a H01 FEE058 494.84 495.72 Brilliant. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 524.08 532.32 it can really combat its enemies, even like it it's a it's an herbivore but, uh, it can really defend itself. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 532.52 532.69 Mm. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 533.94 534.86 Very nice. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 534.86 535.25 Okay. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 535.55 535.91 Right. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 534.02 535.55 Yeah. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 550.35 556.08 Right, I'm gonna take minutes while, um, you guys express your favourite animals. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 557.54 559.47 I am a big animal lover. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 553.25 557.54 Okay, I'll go next. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 559.47 566.71 I like all sorts of animals, but for the moment I'm gonna draw a cat, in memory of my poor cat that died recently. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 565.06 565.86 Oh. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 566.02 566.66 Oh. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 570.8 574 It's gonna be a bit of a strange drawing, but never mind. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 601.85 608.72 Um, but that doesn't mean they're completely not sociable, 'cause they enjoy interacting with humans as well,
ES2015a H01 FEE058 593.29 595.13 Bit more cartoon style. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 608.72 613.25 and they seem to enjoy the good things like sunshine and, um,
ES2015a H01 FEE058 595.13 601.85 But I like cats because they're so independent, and they always seem to be doing what they want to be doing. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 627.54 629.41 They know what they want. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 591.47 593.29 Not as artistic as Heather's drawing. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 613.25 624.79 running around outside as well as being inside, and enjoying their food, and generally just, they just seemed so cool and they just know what they're doing. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 624.79 627.54 Uh I reckon they're sort of, they got it sorted. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 629.41 631.35 Basically, that's why I like cats. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 631.66 633.6 Very good. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 632.21 632.63 Great. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 632.32 634.7 I'll rub that out. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 640.3 642.35 There you go. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 659.14 659.86 Um, 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 653.23 659.14 I'm tempted to draw a snail 'cause I draw them sometimes and they're really easy to draw. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 642.49 643.29 Okay. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 643.29 649.91 I think my favourite animal would be a dog, but I'm not really sure how to draw one. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 649.91 653.23 I, I've never drawn a dog, I don't think. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 649.21 649.66 Ooh. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 660.96 661.69 I forget her name. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 661.89 667.33 right it's gonna be a really funny dog, 'cause I'm not sure how to draw a dog. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 662.2 662.87 Tara 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 663.74 664.4 or Tara. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 667.34 671.9 Well there are loads of different types of dogs, so I'm sure it'll represent one kind of dog. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 674.44 678.57 A s I don't ev Oh, oh well. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 671.46 674.44 It's a cartoon dog I think. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 678.57 681.44 It's a scary cartoon dog. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 688.01 691.96 I'm sorry. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 684.11 688.01 That This, that does not look like a dog. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 687.47 696.28 We can pretend. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 687.66 694.26 It looks kinda like a person. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 690.03 692.98 That's Pinocchio. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 725.74 729.58 Cats don't really like me, so I can't like them. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 704 707.64 It's a dog. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 696.4 698.92 I suppose it has a lon Oh my god. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 713.08 719.75 like they can be trained to be police dogs and seeing-eye dogs, and they're just such friendly animals. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 698.92 699.81 Right. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 719.75 724.57 And, like they're more of a companion than cats. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 729.58 737.38 But they're just so friendly and warm and nice animals, that don't look like that. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 707.64 713.08 Um, I like dogs because, um, they're so good to humans,
ES2015a H02 FEE059 724.57 725.74 I've nothing against cats. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 694.43 696.4 How do you draw a dog? 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 699.81 704 Yous know what it's supposed to be. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 700.85 707.65 Okay. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 724.64 725.85 Yeah, that's true. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 745.9 747.5 Alrighty. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 750.03 751.61 Okay. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 753.82 760.12 I'm going to draw a butterfly, because I saw a butterfly yesterday, that seemed to be like the symbol of Spring arriving. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 747.5 750.03 I feel like a robot. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 760.12 763.62 And it was actually the prettiest butterfly I've ever seen out in the wild, and I though that was pretty cool in Scotland. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 763.62 767.33 It was like, well it was a little pointier than that. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 751.61 753.82 Um, well I guess I had the most time to think about it. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 780.22 784.92 And then it kinda there was a green, I think it was a green ring, and there was like red going out like this. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 772.73 775.08 And then it landed on the wall next to me. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 770.77 772.73 At first I thought it was a dead leaf. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 775.08 780.22 But this part was all brown and then it has these big blue dots like this. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 785.27 786.41 It's kinda like a peacock. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 799.18 800.74 I wish I'd had my camera. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 790.27 795.78 and then it was the most colourful exotic butterfly ever, and I'm like, wow this is the middle of Scotland in like March. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 795.78 796.89 So I thought that was pretty cool. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 807.08 807.78 There you go. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 787.07 790.27 Yeah, it kinda was actually, 'cause it was This part of the body was really dull,
ES2015a H03 FEE060 800.74 806.64 So that's gonna be my favourite animal because after all the snow it seemed to say that like Spring is finally here. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 796.89 799.18 And it landed by a wall and let me look at it for about two minutes. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 806.64 807.08 Yeah. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 807.2 808.6 Very nice. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 808.49 808.9 Great. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 809.13 810.65 Uh, what do we Oh. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 816.86 818.9 Do you hear the eraser buzzing while you do that? 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 819.44 824 Yes I do. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 820.04 820.81 Yea 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 823.12 823.47 Right. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 826.78 834.23 So, now that we know how to use the whiteboard, um, the next, um,
ES2015a H00 FEE057 847.79 854.49 um, wanna make this um selling price of twenty five Euros. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 840.5 847.79 um or not meet our budget but more, um, like what kind of, uh, selling range we'll be looking at,
ES2015a H00 FEE057 834.23 840.5 thing we need to address is our financial department, to meet our our budget,
ES2015a H00 FEE057 854.49 862.46 And so we have to, um, come up with a way to, to create a, a uh remote control, where um 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 830.07 830.97 Okay. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 868.47 870.24 Um, we'd like to, um 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 863.66 868.47 we can like the price to create it will be significantly less. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 880.41 887.66 Um, one thing we'd have to think about internationally is in the design of, um, like different kinds of, uh, V. C. R. s. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 874.1 876.18 I'm assuming that's what the M. means. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 892.61 900.2 Um, we want it to cost, uh, absolute maximum of twelve Euro and fifty cents. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 887.66 890.1 Things like that, depending on which country you are. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 876.18 880.41 Um, and make it for an international market. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 890.1 892.61 Another thing for the design team to think about. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 871.49 874.1 to, uh, make fifty million Euro. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 908.04 909.45 Twelve fifty. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 904.42 908.04 Okay, so we'll have a hundred percent profit then? 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 911.86 913.63 'Kay. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 910.25 911.86 I'm bad at math. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 913.63 919.57 Um, so now that, um, that is underway, um 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 911.3 911.94 Okay. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 921.52 922.9 it is discussion time. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 922.9 926.68 So this is time for us to bring our initial ideas, any um 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 934.17 940.63 and um, um, areas you see that, uh, could be improved in your experience with them. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 928.16 934.17 suggestions that you may have so far, a um your personal experiences with remote controls,
ES2015a H00 FEE057 942.51 943.92 Does anyone have any initial thoughts? 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 945.66 948.85 I find that in the dark it's often hard to know what button you're pushing. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 949.19 950.23 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 950.23 953.72 So what's something we could, uh, do to remedy that? 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 953.97 954.76 Okay. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 955.36 957.56 Um 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 956.17 961.07 I always find that in our house the remote control always goes missing. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 961.07 963.68 It's always, where is the remote control? 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 963.68 965.57 So maybe if you could have some kind of 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 961.2 962.7 Yeah. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 966.64 972.53 tracking device for the remote control or some signal that you could find out where it was. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 974.59 979.77 You can press a button on your wall, signal, 'cause it always gets lost. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 972.53 974.59 I dunno, some kind of alarm. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 977.9 978.98 It's a great idea. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 976.75 977.9 It's a great idea. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 976.46 976.75 Yeah. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 981.38 983.23 Do yous not find that, um, 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 983.29 990.08 like, there's a lot of, um, buttons on your remote control, and you don't know what half of them do. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 990.08 993.11 Yeah, I don't know what they do. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 987.57 988.84 Yeah. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 988.84 993.44 Yeah, that you don't use half of them. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 988.06 988.64 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 991.35 991.67 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 1002.72 1004.26 That's useful. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 1004.26 1008.02 So you just have like the number buttons, power button, T. V. video button. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 996.96 1002.72 There's some remote controls where there's kind of a hidden panel, so all those buttons that you don't really use unless you're programming or something. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 1000.87 1002.17 Yeah. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1001.37 1004.32 Yeah, that's, that's Yeah, it is. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1004.32 1004.9 Yeah. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 1006.94 1007.58 Yeah. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1008.12 1009.16 Yeah. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1010.81 1017.39 Anything about, um, the look of the, uh, remote control that you might have ideas about. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1010.23 1010.81 Alright. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1017.39 1025.31 Maybe it could be, instead of like a standard rectangular shape, it could be, um, something more interesting like 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1026.27 1027.93 Any ideas will do that you have at this point. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 1032.07 1035.26 Be like a shell-shaped remote. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 1028.57 1032.07 Could be shaped like a conch, you know. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1028.63 1029.23 Mm. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1035.61 1035.8 Yeah. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1030.64 1035.61 Can hold it. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1030.65 1035.33 A novelty. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1035.33 1037.67 Are we going into kind of novelty factors here. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1037.67 1041.38 Like, I've seen phones like a Okay. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1042.05 1047.29 I mean, you're the designers, you c, you can um decide what kind of, um, direction you wanna go in,
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1038.47 1042.05 Well if it's a trendy original, um, aspect we're going for. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1047.29 1052.26 but at this point in the, in the first meeting it can be any ideas that we just throw out there. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1043.23 1043.67 Yeah. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1044.73 1045.13 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 1044.99 1045.78 Yeah. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1050.27 1050.74 Yeah. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1060.25 1064.63 Like, a novelty thing might only sell a few things rather than, like,
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1052.32 1060.25 I suppose, if we're he heading to have it, like make a huge profit out of this, it needs to be quite a universally accepted thing. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1071.29 1072.38 So, hmm. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1064.63 1071.29 a general kind of more acceptable But we don't wanna go towards boring, 'cause that wouldn't sell either. 
ES2015a H02 FEE059 1060.66 1061.3 Yeah. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1068.42 1068.8 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1071.34 1071.66 Yeah. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1075.83 1079.26 Um, that does not necessarily mean it needs to be outrageous. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1072.7 1075.83 And the key issue here is, is being trendy and original. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1075.68 1075.9 Yeah. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1079.24 1080.08 Yeah. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1083.21 1089.28 So, just to cover We have one more thing. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1095.76 1099.86 So you have half an hour to, uh, think about what you want to present. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1102.67 1106.15 Um, I. D., whatever that stands for. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1089.28 1092.95 Um, like you can go over your ideas, of course, in your own personal times. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1092.95 1095.76 Um, our next meeting will be in half an hour. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1099.86 1102.67 Or not present but bring to the meeting. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1081.01 1083.21 Okay we have five minutes left. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1080.39 1081.01 Right. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1092.94 1093.33 Yeah. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 1106.34 1107.5 Interface? 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 1107.5 1108.42 Oh, industrial. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1107.53 1109.26 That's me. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1106.42 1107.53 Industrial Designer. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1108.22 1109.92 I have to remember these things. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1107.35 1108.22 Industrial Designer. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1109.92 1110.57 Um. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1136.51 1139.33 And I'll see you in half an hour, okay? 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1131.17 1136.51 Um, you will get specific instructions, um, of what to do in the next half an hour. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1119.66 1131.17 Um, maybe how this can be achieved, and, um, we need the user requirements from the manag Marketing Expert. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1114.43 1119.66 Um, U. I. D. the technical functions design will, will be worked on the next thirty minutes. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1111.67 1114.43 You'll be beginning your, your working design. 
ES2015a H00 FEE057 1139.33 1140.01 'Kay. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1113.65 1113.98 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015a H03 FEE060 1128.95 1131.33 Marketing Expert. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1139.39 1139.81 Thank you. 
ES2015a H01 FEE058 1138.77 1139.39 Okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 25.43 27.3 Okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 29.11 29.57 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 30.43 31.57 That's okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 29.57 30.43 That's okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 47.65 48.68 Okay. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 54.02 54.92 Am I starting now? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 91.6 92.72 And, um 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 64.34 68.04 And um I hope you had a productive last thirty minutes. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 55.92 57.11 Anytime? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 57.11 58.46 Oh sorry. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 79.06 84.39 because it'll be more about uh, what you guys are bringing to the meeting today. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 60.08 64.34 Alright, welcome back fro to the second meeting. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 58.46 60.08 'Kay, um. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 84.39 91.6 Um, so, the first presentation we'll be looking at is Poppy's presentation. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 68.04 79.06 Um, and um, I'll be taking minutes on this one, and um Being hooked up to the PowerPoint for this meeting isn't very necessary for uh myself,
ES2015b H00 FEE057 95.49 97.13 So, um, take it away Poppy. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 93.78 95.49 So, sorry? 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 97.56 98.7 Okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 98.7 102.51 Um, do I need to plugged in. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 100.85 101.85 It's, it's plugged in. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 101.85 102.73 So, um 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 104.64 105.91 Function F. eight. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 103.7 104.64 F. eight, w. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 105.29 106.91 F. okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 108.02 109.59 Sorry about this guys. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 106.91 108.02 Function F. eight. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 109.19 109.57 No problem. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 112.84 114.13 'Kay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 114.13 115.09 is on. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 117.38 119.94 Right. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 122.15 122.8 Okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 137.28 142.44 Um, so I was looking at how we're going to go about the working design,
ES2015b H01 FEE058 125.5 129.94 I, I only, uh, received my emails later on. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 147.87 156.54 And it needs to um allow a person to have a portable desi device, so they can control the television from wherever they are. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 160.4 165.01 So, it gives them much more flexibility, and allows them to be where they want to be. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 122.8 125.5 I will take this time just to apologise. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 156.54 160.4 They don't need to actually manually touch the television set. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 135.91 137.28 But there we go. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 129.94 135.91 'Cause I was too busy carried away doing my own thing, which is not obviously not a very good part of a team-working thing. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 142.44 147.87 and what we actually need to do, and what the remote control needs to do. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 136.58 138.21 I'm sure it's fine. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 166.34 167.82 Um, from 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 191.06 197.77 And we could use illuminated buttons, which we are all familiar with when we're using a mobile phone, or um something fam familiar. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 207.04 209.46 and then as soon as they go off they would glow in the dark. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 187.17 191.06 So we need to think about how we could bring this in um technically. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 201.98 207.04 Or we could use fluorescent materials which would just um take in the light during the day 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 197.77 201.98 A automatically, um lights up at first touch. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 179.03 187.17 Um, one is the visibility in the dark, which was um Genevieve's idea. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 169.16 174.58 Uh, on a functional side of things, we found out that wh from our previous meeting 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 174.58 179.03 we decided that there're certain points that will make our product unique. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 231.36 232.15 Um, oop. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 229.5 231.36 Um, so that would work. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 227.57 229.5 Maybe behind a cushion or somewhere. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 221.68 227.57 which you could press, and then an alarm from the handset would sound where it was, hopefully in the room. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 210.27 214.35 Um, also we could use um an alarm. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 232.15 233 Go back there. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 214.35 221.68 So if we lost the um remote control, perhaps there could be a button on the television set itself,
ES2015b H01 FEE058 234.09 242.08 Um, another thing I think we d missed out on on the last meeting was the fact that we should consider the environmental impact of our design. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 256.11 263.82 So they can be heated and um and cooled, and they change the shape of um the metal. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 242.08 256.11 Um, from previous researches I've carried out on other projects, um we've learnt about smart materials where um um specific alloys of metals have a shape memory. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 263.82 270.2 So, for example, a screw that's holding something together could expand and it would force all the components apart. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 280.13 284.43 So, all the um individual components could be easily separated,
ES2015b H01 FEE058 289.92 296.82 Especially 'cause there's much uh responsibility for all the um companies who are coming up with like new designs. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 296.82 302.18 'Cause all, we all know that our resources are being limited, and we have to be very environmentally conscious. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 270.63 276.26 So um, the benefits of this for our product would be that when it came to the end of its product life,
ES2015b H01 FEE058 284.43 289.92 and then some could be reused, some could be recycled, and I think that would be very important for products now. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 276.26 280.13 if it was heated, um everything would spring apart. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 310.25 316.04 So that, um, someone could have this product for as long as they felt that they wanted it,
ES2015b H00 FEE057 316.04 321.37 and then once they contribute it, then that company can break down the part, the parts better? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 302.27 303.91 Right, um, one question. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 303.91 310.25 This, um, self-destructible uh metal, it allows for recycling materials? 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 303.6 303.95 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 310.2 311.63 Um 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 316.52 317.2 And then 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 319.74 320.27 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 359.82 364.01 and then either reuse some bits, and other bits which are obviously gonna wear out with time,
ES2015b H01 FEE058 368.73 371.88 Something like the case, if it's scratched or something, you would want to reuse it 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 333.57 341.47 And that's the part that would um allow all the other parts to be separated at the end. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 350.12 359.82 Um, and then the company could then just use, make use of this shape-memory alloys to split up the components,
ES2015b H01 FEE058 328.15 333.57 apart from the, the bits that hold it all together would be made out of this shape-memory alloy. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 371.88 375.58 but you might be able to melt it down and reuse it again somewhere else. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 321.62 328.15 Yeah they would, um you would make the, the product as you normally would,
ES2015b H01 FEE058 364.01 368.73 or not usable, they might be like be able to put into scrap metal. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 341.47 350.12 I mean, the user would return the p product to the company, 'cause it's the product's responsibility to get rid of what they've made. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 359.75 360.48 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 373.93 374.4 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 375.69 380.8 Would we be the company that would break down these, or uh metals? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 380.8 383.49 Or would we contribute to another group? 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 394.02 395.46 For a certain percentage at least. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 388.17 394.02 But it would be our responsibility to get that done and to dispose of the products that we made. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 381.15 388.17 You could we could probably empl em employ a, a side company or something to do that for us. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 395.46 399.72 Not every, not a hundred percent of everything we produce, but 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 395.44 395.8 Alright. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 398.9 400.46 This sounds like a really great idea. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 416.72 420.86 You would have to hire a number of people, and it might be more expensive. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 398.53 398.9 Okay. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 408.87 416.72 Um, so we'll have to investigate how much that will cost us, cost the company, um 'cause it sounds very labour-intensive. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 400.46 408.87 One thing we have to consider is our uh one hundred percent um turnover goal that we have for our financial sector. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 407.02 407.58 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 407.58 408.19 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 412.63 413.11 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 420.88 428.55 Well I the fact of the shape-memory alloys is that they, they don't need to be manually de um deconstructed. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 433.13 436.35 Because of this, their properties are smart material. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 428.55 433.13 Like, you don't have to individually um unscrew all the screws. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 440.85 448.67 So I suppose it does need like high contact, yeah, you know high uh quality machinery, and very specific machinery, but 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 436.35 440.85 All you need is just the heat, so they self-destruct themselves. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 436.42 436.84 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 440.92 443.77 We'll still have to investigate the financial implications. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 440.2 440.92 Alright. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 448.71 449.01 Alright. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 449.01 450.53 I like the environmental approach. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 450.53 453.57 Um, we'll have to see if that can meet our financial goals as well. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 450.59 451.06 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 452.74 453.32 Okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 454.61 456.59 Um also 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 462.45 464.43 But I haven't put this plan together yet. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 459.72 462.45 This'll be how it uh will actually work. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 457.64 459.72 there is um components. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 466.06 468.59 I'm sorry, could you Those were um 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 467.03 468.14 Sorry, should I go back. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 466.11 467.03 There we go. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 476.26 478.49 So I just put all those components in. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 468.89 471.86 This would actually show the circuit diagram. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 471.86 476.26 Although I haven't come up with the final circuit yet. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 475.66 476.04 Okay. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 478.71 483.25 So those are what, um, we'll c construct the remote. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 483.25 483.9 Those are all the 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 483.32 483.82 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 483.82 485.63 I it just shows what sort of energy source. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 485.63 488.55 It could be a battery, like rechargeable probably. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 488.55 498.82 Um, an' yeah, well how the infrared will actually be sent through the chip to be received by the chip on the television set itself. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 498.82 499.47 Okay? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 498.46 499 Great. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 498.18 498.46 Alright. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 500.95 503.61 So, now is it F. eight again to escape? 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 503.61 505.02 Or escape? 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 506.18 507.06 There we go. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 507.96 508.29 Okay. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 509.03 509.98 Thank you very much. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 508.76 509.03 Alright. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 511.1 512.1 Thank you. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 511.47 515.16 And, um, the next presenter will be Tara. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 518.07 519.71 There you go Tara. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 518.69 519.45 Thanks. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 524.58 525.54 Can you see? 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 527.08 527.75 Oh, 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 552.64 553.82 Do you think 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 558.84 561.04 Is it uh, function eight yeah? 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 560.72 562.33 Function F. eight. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 561.79 562.61 Function F. eight. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 560.87 561.79 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 562.61 563.2 Sorry. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 561.22 562.66 Function F. eight. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 562.66 563.4 The one at the top. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 563.97 564.35 Okay. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 563.15 563.97 Oh right. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 568.52 569.07 That looks right. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 569.28 569.88 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 580.36 581.2 Okay. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 583.73 587.44 I'm the User um 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 588.66 591.34 User Interface Designer. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 591.34 597.67 Uh, the technical functions design of the apparatus is the effect the apparatus should have. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 623.27 629.6 And a single function remote control, used specifically for the television. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 604.36 614.79 By taking inspiration from other similar designs, we'll try and come up with an original trendy remote control, which is sellable international. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 614.79 617.42 There're two functional design options. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 597.67 604.36 Um, in this case it's the function of the remote control, which is to send messages to the television, television set. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 617.42 623.27 A multifunctional remote control, which can be used for several entertainment devices. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 629.02 630.49 Multifunctional and 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 628.16 629.02 I'm sorry, what was that last one. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 630.8 634.23 Um, a single function just for the television itself. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 630.26 630.8 Sorry. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 633.53 635.23 Ch Oh, I see. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 635.53 635.92 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 637.7 645.29 Um, multifunctional controls can be difficult to use, as the multitude of buttons can be confusing. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 646.67 655.03 A single function remote control is simpler to use, but it means you have to have other remote controls for your other entertainment devices. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 668.71 668.87 'Kay. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 677.96 684.11 It'd be more compatible with a range of television sets, making it more internationally sellable. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 669.3 677.96 Um, I think that a single function remote control would be preferable, because it's easier to use. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 697.72 699.93 And less functions would have to be included. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 685.31 693.72 Um, it will make an original design more obtainable, as we have less functional necessities to include in the design. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 693.72 697.72 And it would be more profitable as it would be more simplistic. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 701.28 703.73 So it would be cheaper to make. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 703.73 710.31 And probably more sellable just because it's more compatible with a r a wider range of devices. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 712.51 714.49 Does anyone have any questions? 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 717.71 725.26 So as far as we know, um, a single function television remote control is us usable internationally? 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 726.24 737.4 Well, it's just that, when we're creating it, we're, we have to make it um compatible with different brands of devices. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 737.4 747.49 And it would be easier to make it compatible with just different brands of television devices rather than other ent, yeah, other entertainment devices. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 736.76 736.97 Right. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 744.96 745.16 Okay. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 743.91 744.96 D. V. D. s and V. C. R. ? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 745.09 745.47 Right. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 749.78 754.99 Does anyone object and, and find the multifunctional might be a better way to go? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 748.36 749.78 Does everyone agree with this? 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 755.44 763.43 Um, I was just wondering about the, what, what Genevieve said before, about having like some hidden controls like having the outer casing. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 775.21 776.55 And limit the design. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 763.43 771.44 And that would probably, um, I d, well well what you said before about it being a more profitable simplistic design. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 776.55 778.4 Do you think? 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 771.44 775.21 I suppose having that would complicate it a lot more. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 771.56 772.1 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 774.16 774.64 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 783.62 789.48 user-friendly, dadada, and it's also multi also multifunctional, um, we're gonna go over budget for one thing. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 778.19 783.62 Yeah, I think I agree with the single design thing for now, because we're trying to do so much, that if we're trying to make a unique,
ES2015b H03 FEE060 789.48 789.58 So 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 783.92 784.42 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 790.75 791.19 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 789.55 790.75 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 791.35 791.69 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 789.59 790.06 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 790.06 791.35 That's true. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 790.83 791.73 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 798.21 802.79 We'll have more money to go into the design side of it. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 792.19 798.21 And with this we'll have more room in the budget probably to make a more original design. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 797.23 797.5 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 797.47 797.9 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 800.27 800.61 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 802.74 804.09 Okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 804.09 804.27 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 804.82 805.48 Sounds great. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 804.11 804.82 Alright. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 805.6 806.15 Mm, 'kay. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 806.87 811.56 Alright, well, um, are you ready for your presentation Genevieve? 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 811.12 812.28 Yes I am. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 813.13 814.75 Fabulous. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 814.75 820.3 Except you're not hooked up to the Great. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 815.19 820.37 Oh, I'm not hooked up, but other than that, completely ready. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 828.74 830.03 Okay. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 839.04 839.67 Okay. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 846.19 847.69 I just lost my microphone. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 845.81 846.19 Oh. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 848.01 850.25 No problem, we can 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 870.41 874.7 Um, so what I'll be talking about now is the equivalent for a remote control. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 850.84 855.48 So I'll be discussing the functional requirements of this remote control. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 860.13 867.04 Um, if you all remember from the email we got before our very first uh kick-off meeting, with the coffee machine? 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 850.52 850.84 Okay. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 867.04 870.41 The functional requirements of that was to produce hot coffee quickly. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 874.7 878.69 Um, so basically what needs and desires are to be fulfilled. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 849.04 850.52 Just a moment. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 855.48 860.13 Um, and I'll give you a little briefing on what that means exactly. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 878.69 885.23 Um, I've done some marketing research, a lot of interviews with remote control users, um, and some internet research. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 885.23 886.73 And I'll show you my findings. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 905.91 907.27 Not just in electronic fashion. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 892.33 895.81 So we believe in providing international market with fashionable products. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 901.64 905.91 Um, and we should also be looking to trends in clothing and interior design. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 895.81 898.97 Um, hence our motto, we put the fashion in electronics. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 889.26 892.33 Oh, and firstly I wanted to remind you about our company motto and purpose. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 898.97 901.64 So I think that should be our priority here. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 907.27 909.06 So that it's something that fits in the household. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 912.01 913.7 I'm sorry, what was that last thing that you just said? 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 918.59 922.16 Any trends that are going on in, in the public, even media, you know who's famous,
ES2015b H03 FEE060 922.16 925.66 what T. V. shows are being watched, um, to influence our remote control. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 914.58 918.59 Um, we should be looking towards trends in both clothing and interior design. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 918.33 918.64 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 920.05 920.77 Mm. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 922.97 923.4 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 946.18 949.57 Current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 942.41 946.18 Eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 929.88 931.62 Okay, so the findings. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 937.23 942.41 Um, the other twenty five percent didn't specify if they love them or found them, you know, neutral. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 935.02 937.23 Which is a, quite a significant number. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 931.62 935.02 Um, seventy five percent of users of remote controls find them ugly. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 949.79 953.76 I'm sorry, that eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 953.76 957.43 You mean that they would spend more money on a fancy-looking remote control? 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 977.57 981.67 Um, and fifty percent of users say they only use ten percent of the buttons. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 956.31 960.13 Yeah, they're willing, they're willing to spend money on a remote control with personality. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 975.29 977.57 They're you know thumb-masters. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 981.67 985 That A very small amount. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 960.13 965.55 As opposed to your basic, you know, oval black, all same size button remote control. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 985 986.13 Thought that was interesting. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 965.55 967.14 Um, so it is something that people care about. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 973.42 975.29 Zapping meaning they go through channels a lot. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 970.22 973.42 Um, seventy five percent of remote control users said that they zap a lot. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 967.14 970.22 It's not, it's not ignored in the household. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 960.15 960.63 Okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 962.99 963.23 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 961.85 962.99 Mm. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 975.4 975.76 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 991.09 998 And another thing with um lots of surfing, we'd probably have to work on something that could be um a lot more durable,
ES2015b H00 FEE057 998 1005.1 because I find with um channel-changers that, um, a lot of the numbers get rubbed down if they're printed on the button. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 986.46 991.09 Alright, so it might be very appealing if, um, we have very concise buttons. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 986.72 987.14 Mm. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 991.24 991.46 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 988.05 991.24 the single function. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1001.65 1002.15 Yes. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1004.49 1005.09 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1003.52 1004.49 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1003.96 1005.03 Yeah that's a good point. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1005.38 1011.82 And actually to go with that, I'm gonna give you some statistics on the uh relevancy of the buttons, how much they're used. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1022.29 1026.35 So people wanna be able to turn on the T. V. with the remote control. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1011.82 1014.56 And uh how important the uh users find them. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1019.55 1022.29 Um, but the relevance of that button is nine out of ten. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1017.35 1019.55 Hopefully the person's not turning on and off the T. V. . 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1014.56 1017.35 So the power button, obviously, in an hour is only used once. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1026.35 1029.74 Um, as opposed to standing up and turning on the television set. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1034.47 1036.54 This is the most important button. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1041.64 1045.63 Relevance of that button, our users found was uh ten, ten out of ten. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1033.63 1034.47 That's a huge amount. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1029.95 1033.63 Channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight times on average per hour. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1045.63 1048.08 Uh, ditto for volume selection, so ten out of ten. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1048.08 1051.01 And it's used on average four times an hour. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1051.01 1053.07 Not as much as channel selection, but still significant. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1036.54 1041.64 Um, so obviously when commercials come on they're changing it, so as you said we want a durable button that's not gonna run down. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1053.52 1056.8 Um, audio settings is used on average zero point eight times an hour. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1056.8 1058.46 Relevance is two. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1058.46 1062.68 Screen settings, which means brightness, colour etcetera, zero point five times an hour. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1064.8 1067.29 We're getting to specific statistics here. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1062.68 1064.8 Um, and relevance of one point five. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1067.29 1070.57 Teletext, um, now I'm not too clear on what that is. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1071.27 1072.3 Flipping pages. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1070.57 1071.27 I don't know if you can help me. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1074.57 1075.28 Is that 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1074.59 1075.88 It's um 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1077.04 1079.51 Or like information. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1076.08 1077.04 It's like the news. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1085.97 1087.01 No, li Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1077.43 1085.97 It has T. V. has like information, it has information on holidays, the news, entertainment. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1084.43 1089.45 It's um No it's a button that you press, and then you, uh, like a menu pops up. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1089.45 1091.43 I haven't used it before but 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1083.16 1084.43 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1083.24 1085.08 The and what's on. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1084.26 1086.34 So like a running banner, underneath 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1089.44 1089.82 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1090.08 1090.77 Oh. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1091.14 1091.93 It's like 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1091.14 1098.56 And you have page numbers like for the menu, and you press the page numbers with your remote, and it, it'll come up. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1097.28 1098.22 Okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1097.39 1099.78 It's like very basic internet. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1099.78 1102.04 Sort of, um 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1099.76 1101.82 Very basic internet, yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1103.52 1106.21 But you have no interaction back with it, you know. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1101.82 1103.52 But you have Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1106.21 1110.03 Like the internet you can send emails and You've no interaction. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1101.49 1101.97 Okay. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1101.97 1104.15 Like tells you the weather, and Okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1107.58 1115.48 Yeah, it's just information that um, like television timetables, what's on, what's on now, what's on next, on every channel, and 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1107.99 1108.68 Right. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1114.64 1115.32 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1116.03 1119.9 Well I guess I'm not with it, because I wasn't But it's, it's being used fourteen times an hour. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1129.59 1131.13 Relevance of three. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1126.38 1128.11 Um, channel settings. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1119.9 1122.05 Um, and has a r a high relevance of six point five. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1128.11 1129.59 Zero point zero one times an hour. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1122.05 1126.38 So it looks like something that we're gonna want to do some research on and include on our remote control. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1131.13 1132.2 Channel settings. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1115.77 1116.03 Alright. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1124.28 1124.89 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1124.99 1125.54 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1144.19 1145.04 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1143.6 1144.19 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1139.93 1143.6 You know if you get a new T. V. set, you tune in all the channels, do you th do you think? 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1133.54 1138.42 Uh, probably just tuning in the channels, would it be? 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1138.42 1139.93 Tuning them in at the very start. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1137.06 1137.7 P Sorry. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1137.7 1138.45 Changing the channels? 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1142.15 1142.79 Oh, okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1142.89 1146.49 To get the right reception and picture, I suppose. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1144.45 1145.47 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1145.47 1145.81 Okay. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1145.59 1145.85 Mm. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1150.58 1151.22 Okay. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1147.39 1150.58 Um, so it's not used very often, but people still find it relevant. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1156.96 1158.39 Remote controls are often lost somewhere. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1170.81 1173.77 Um, remote controls are bad for R. S. I. . 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1152.89 1156.96 Um, biggest frustrations of uh the people that we interviewed. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1158.39 1159.68 So that was already discussed by Poppy. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1163.83 1166.76 Um, takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1168.58 1170.81 People know what to do very quickly. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1166.76 1168.58 So it should be very user-friendly, you know. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1159.68 1163.83 How we could have a, an alarm system so that people can find it. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1175.72 1177.18 Repetitive strain injury. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1175.98 1176.9 Repeti Uh. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1177.59 1178.5 Ah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1178.5 1179.02 Is that what it is? 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1179.02 1180.48 People with arthritis and such? 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1178.41 1179 I think. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1180.02 1182.92 That's rather sad. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1183.03 1184.7 Um, maybe our 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1185.46 1186.47 I'm not 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1183.97 1185.46 Oh, I'm guessing that's what it is. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1185.26 1185.83 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1185.83 1186.92 I think it is. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1193.71 1197.44 But we'll have to also avoid, you know, buttons responding to the slightest touch as well. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1186.15 1187.6 designers can look into that. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1197.44 1198.06 That's a problem. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1187.6 1193.71 Um, buttons that don't require, you know, very firm pushing, if they respond. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1188.54 1188.92 Mm. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1191.84 1192.3 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1198.61 1199.25 It is. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1198.31 1198.61 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1200.72 1201.19 Okay. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1201.19 1202.88 Did you guys uh get that one down? 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1202.71 1203.5 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1203.48 1204.08 Yep. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1205.04 1208.27 Um okay, here's some ideas for you. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1208.27 1212.3 A large percentage of the public would pay for voice recognition on the remote controls. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1212.3 1213.98 So I'll show you some numbers here. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1221.31 1226.75 Ninety one point two percent said that they would pay extra money to have voice recogni voice recognition included on their remote control. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1226.75 1233.27 Um, and you can see that number decreases a bit with ol s Interestingly enough, twenty five to thirty five is the lowest amount. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1218.73 1221.31 Um, so the youngest age group, fifteen to twenty five. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1243.95 1247.9 Um, if we are targeting young adults, it looks like something that would pay off. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1242.26 1243.95 And if we have the budget for it. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1236.61 1242.26 So I guess we're gonna have to figure out what age group we're, we're targeting, and if and if voice recognition is something we wanna look into. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1234.35 1236.61 Um, that would, are willing to pay extra. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1247.9 1249.84 Seeing as ninety percent, over ninety percent would pay for it. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1251.92 1256.76 I agree with um if we're targeting young adults then it would be something we should look into. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1256.76 1259.26 Um, financially and and functionally. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1259.26 1265.46 Um, and especially if we are um trying to be trendy, go with fashions, things like that. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1265.46 1272.32 Um, ages like from thirty five to sixty five which show lower numbers probably won't be as concerned. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1256.68 1257.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1263.93 1264.27 Mm. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1273.96 1275.91 So that, that's a whole other field of research. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1282.38 1285.32 So it m it may be too complicated for us, but it's something to keep in mind anyway. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1280.29 1282.38 Um and depending on how many members you have in households. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1275.91 1280.29 I don't know if it'd be, if we'd still have a remote, or if you're talking to your television and saying change channel. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1280.76 1281.58 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1281.51 1282.16 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1290.39 1291.44 Wonder if it would have 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1285.55 1290.39 And something that might further complicate it is that the T. V. makes noise itself. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1284.21 1285.55 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1289.83 1290.19 Right. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1290.54 1291.34 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1291.89 1300.02 And if there was conversation in the room at the same time, although in theory it doesn't tend to be when you're watching television 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1310.49 1310.84 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1300.02 1310.49 but could be very difficult to get the specific uh design. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1295.31 1295.85 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1295.54 1296.08 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1315.24 1321.6 Um, because if, if it is then I think voice, um voice-activated 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1308.45 1315.24 If we're looking for a simplistic design, if We need to decide if that is our um intention is, is a simplistic design. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1308.21 1308.45 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1310.08 1310.46 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1313.81 1314.42 Mm. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1321.86 1323.15 It looks like 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1322.66 1326.05 Yeah, and that would sort of negate the whole remote control thing,
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1326.05 1332.85 because if people can activate the television with their voice then they won't be using a, they won't be talking into a remote, I'm sure. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1326.05 1326.42 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1329.36 1331.71 It'd be like the ultimate remote. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1338.19 1340.87 So, I mean voice recognition might be a little too extreme for us. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1347.96 1350.38 So that you don't have so many buttons to deal with. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1333.8 1335.59 Um okay. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1340.87 1341.83 Not practical. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1335.59 1338.19 And th the last thing here was a, an L. C. D. screen. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1341.83 1347.96 Um an L. C. D. screen though might be something that, you know, you can shift through pages kind of li the way this PowerPoint is working. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1347.8 1348.62 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1350.22 1351.93 Um, I don't know what an L. C. D. screen is. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1354.49 1355.76 S Or like um 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1351.74 1354.49 Oh sorry, just, just a screen, like a computer screen. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1357.26 1357.66 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1355.72 1357.26 Mobile phone. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1356.96 1357.32 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1358.44 1362.5 You'd have an L. C. D. versus just a, a normal clock. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1357.32 1358.44 Or Like an alarm clock. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1357.13 1357.67 Mm. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1360.63 1362.71 What, what would appear on the screen? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1362.81 1364.33 I have no idea still. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1364.33 1365.17 I'm sorry. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1366.32 1367.22 As opposed to just buttons. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1364.73 1366.32 Oh just like an electronic screen. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1370.48 1373.28 Like on the top of a cellphone, the the little L. C. D. screen. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1373.28 1376.89 Um, now that's, I, I dunno exactly what exactly we'd put on there. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1376.89 1379.38 I guess the channel that you're on, the v the volume setting. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1367.22 1370.48 There would be like a little, like on Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1369.8 1370.35 Okay. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1368.19 1369.8 Oh, on the remote. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1372.12 1372.64 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1377.9 1378.82 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1384.14 1385.66 But that would probably be 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1379.93 1384.14 Could it it It would be good if it had the actual programme that was on, and what was next. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1385.58 1388.64 Like linked in with the teletext, or sort of like an 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1386.64 1387.07 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1387.79 1389.29 That would be good, yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1386.65 1387.79 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1390.73 1396.92 teletext at your fingers, without having to access that through the television. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1392.92 1393.6 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1398.04 1400.47 Might be quite expensive to do that though. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1401.59 1403.57 Mm, Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1405.04 1405.73 Could be. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1405.96 1411.15 Well I guess that's something we can all take back to our respective research. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1415.86 1418.86 Um, I think our priority really should be unique design. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1418.86 1420.9 Um, we want something that people want in their home. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1411.15 1415.86 Um, and finally, whoops, my personal preferences and thoughts. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1420.9 1427.35 Every remote control looks the same, so uh in my opinion it should be, um, user-friendly and unique. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1406.48 1406.97 Right. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1410.68 1411.21 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1443.38 1447.39 I mean if we wanted to concentrate on fifteen to twenty five years olds, we could go for the fancy stuff. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1436.07 1443.38 So if we're, if we're aiming to make this an international university, universally accepted product Um, and for all, the other thing is like age market. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1432.5 1436.07 Um, I th myself, voice recognition kind of scares me off. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1447.39 1451.69 But if we wanna make fifty million, and and have everyone want this remote control, we should maybe 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1427.66 1432.5 So the other stuff might be a little too, a little too gadgety for some people. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1432.44 1432.64 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1436.82 1437.2 Mm. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1453.04 1454.13 stick to the basics. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1454.27 1454.91 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1454.68 1461.06 And we should keep in mind that fifteen to twenty five year olds might not have twenty five Euros to spend on a remote control. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1461.06 1468.74 Like their priorities might not be a fancy remote control, when they're just starting out and, yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1460.68 1461.14 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1477 1481.79 Um, so I I think, I think the older generations we should be catering to a bit more. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1467.84 1470.75 And we have to keep in mind the, the reliability of our research. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1467.34 1467.84 Right. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1470.75 1477 I mean, you know, a sixteen year old boy would say, yeah I'd pay extra for voice recognition, until they realise that's three months allowance. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1472.41 1477.17 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1477.17 1478.2 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1482.33 1486.4 Early twenties, that's the kind of age group. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1486.4 1487.26 Twenties. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1483.89 1484.35 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1485.8 1493.38 And if one of the largest, uh, or most complained about thing is that it takes so long to get to know how to use a remote control 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1493.38 1500.72 I'm sure that something like an L. C. D. screen or remote control would be just furthering that problem. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1491.93 1492.3 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1492.65 1493.05 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1500.45 1501.15 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1505.41 1506.26 Okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1501.15 1505.41 Complicated jus complicating things even fo Mm. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1500.79 1500.98 Yep. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1502.02 1502.41 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1502.18 1502.74 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1504.71 1505.44 Alright. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1505.21 1505.61 Okay. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1505.61 1507.21 That's it for the market research. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1540.74 1546.08 Which is good as, as we've sort of decided that we would like to go with that anyway. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1507.18 1508.07 Okay. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1568.4 1568.57 Yep. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1532.61 1540.74 Um, we've decided not to include them and make it a specific, just a specific television um function. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1508.07 1520.83 Before we go into uh more discussion on we want this design to look like, I've received some information from the management that will affect some of our decisions. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1550.98 1561.78 Another thing that might um affect other decisions is that um the management feels that teletext is outdated, because more people are using the internet now. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1561.78 1568.4 And so uh we won't concern ourselves with um navigating the teletext option. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1547.11 1550.98 So um we have that decision sort of made for us. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1546.08 1547.11 Um, for many reasons. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1520.83 1532.61 Um, for one thing, because Having controls with D. V. D., V. C. R., that sort of thing, would really complicate the design of the remote control. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1567.36 1568.51 Can I just interrupt? 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1574.85 1575.27 Okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1575.27 1575.74 Thanks. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1569.34 1574.85 Would you like to plug in your Have you got a PowerPoint or not? 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1571.31 1573.01 Maybe we can do the 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1571.12 1571.31 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1572.5 1573.07 Okay, sure. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1574.28 1574.83 Yeah I do. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1574.83 1577.57 I'm looking at looking at it right now. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1578.48 1579.73 There you go. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1579.28 1580.31 thank you. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1582.83 1583.64 Oh, come back screen. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1588.5 1588.74 Hmm. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1593.97 1601.08 Were they, was the management suggesting use of the internet rather than teletext, or just avoiding both altogether? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1609.32 1614.49 but um they were just pretty much saying that the teletext would not be used. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1601.57 1609.32 Um, well, I mean we don't have the resources or or possibility of using the internet with the remote control 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1607.19 1607.71 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1605.35 1607.19 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1612.04 1612.52 Okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1614.53 1614.81 Okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1613.72 1614.53 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1617.7 1624.96 This is for the design, the design of the product is that um we wanna create, um 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1616.76 1617.7 Alright, and another thing. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1626.24 1630.18 more of a sense that people know that this is from our company. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1644.66 1652.16 Um, it doesn't have to be the colour of our um of our company but, another thing is that, um 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1637.87 1644.66 So, um, perhaps um our logo on the bottom, or wherever you feel like it would look good. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1630.18 1637.87 So, um, all the remote controls must have our um We'll incorporate our logo and colour in in some way. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1630.62 1631.15 Right. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1637.58 1638.06 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1636.95 1637.58 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1643.91 1644.24 Okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1648.92 1649.81 Just 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1667.44 1673.21 like a type of logo or colour, so if that could be um somewhere on the design so that we can be recognisable. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1660.43 1667.44 Um, I'm assuming that we already have one, but for the purposes of this meeting I, I wasn't offered a,
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1654.42 1660.43 we need to, we probably would have to have that colour and, and logo decided upon. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1670.18 1671.23 Work on that. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1669.75 1670.18 Okay. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1673.54 1675.96 It's probably R. R. R. in yellow. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1675.38 1676.68 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1676.76 1677.13 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1677.55 1678.99 The little R. R. yellow thing? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1679.97 1680.63 Real Reaction? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1678.99 1679.97 Okay. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1679.04 1680.28 Yeah, I think. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1679.05 1679.87 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1679.07 1679.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1686.66 1692.27 Um, so, now we need to discuss, um 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1682.9 1684.06 Okay. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1684.06 1686.66 Um, yes, those are the changes. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1698.77 1701.5 I'm just going to look at my notes for a second. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1711.27 1717.35 But um, you know, we could discuss um those other options that you brought up, Genevieve. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1705.81 1709.27 So, um, we already know that it'll just be for the television. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1693.85 1698.77 and come to a decision on our remote control functions, of, of how this is going to be. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1709.27 1711.27 It'll It won't have teletext. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1701.5 1705.81 Um, we have to decide on a target group and the functions of the remote control. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1705.9 1706.5 Okay. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1723.67 1723.96 Yeah? 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1719.61 1723.67 Okay, so I Are we going to write off the L. C. D. option? 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1722.68 1723.08 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1723.47 1726.13 Is that how most people feel about that? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1726.13 1726.9 Okay. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1723.56 1724.46 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1725.44 1725.89 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1726.04 1726.81 Okay. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1726.81 1732.1 So no L. C. D., no teletext, and no voice recognition. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1731.72 1734.83 I think it would be annoying though if I don't use teletext that much,
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1734.83 1740.12 but if it was on your T. V., you'd want to be able to use it, if 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1740.29 1744.87 Yeah, but another thing is that if we're reaching an international crowd, um,
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1744.87 1749.08 I know for one that in North America there is no such thing as teletext, so it'd be really superfluous. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1740.64 1741.82 You'd Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1746.43 1747.77 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1747.77 1748.5 Never heard of it. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1747.1 1749.41 So is it just Okay. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1749.41 1750.94 Alright. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1750.94 1751.67 Right. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1747.8 1748.12 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1750.33 1751.03 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1752.75 1755.41 Do you know if anywhere else has it? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1751.03 1752.75 I don't know about other countries besides the U. K. . 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1753.82 1754.76 I don't know. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1754.27 1755.91 I don't know. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1758.52 1762.64 But if Was it a management decision that we're having Okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1762.64 1763.4 So 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1755.91 1758.52 More research required, I think. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1755.74 1756.53 I don't know. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1758.19 1758.96 Alright. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1761.63 1765.06 It was a management decision, so it's, it's pretty much out of our hands at this point. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1762.31 1762.99 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1764.57 1765.17 Okay. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1764.87 1765.8 Okay then. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1766.23 1766.44 'Kay. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1767.63 1769.59 So, I guess we're looking at something rather simple. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1771.86 1775.85 Um, well I guess, just from my findings it looks like we wanna minimise buttons. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1776.59 1776.93 'Kay. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1777.39 1777.86 Um. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1779.47 1781.01 Minimal 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1783.36 1785.25 F findability is important. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1781.89 1783.36 And the What was the word they used? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1792.89 1796.8 'Cause I'm sure that could be inex inexpensive because we could use the same kind of infrared 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1788.58 1788.99 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1788.99 1792.89 I think we should definitely go ahead with the alarm system idea that you had. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1791.47 1792.83 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1791.69 1793.2 Yeah okay. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1792.69 1793.53 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1796.56 1797.02 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1798.11 1798.84 I mean 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1797.02 1798.11 The same signalling. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1802.3 1804.04 It's not that expensive to do. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1797.99 1802.3 the same signal through that and it could just like make a little beeping noise. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1805.24 1807.9 Like you just a, a buzz or something. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1802.54 1805.24 Or vibrate just the same as a mobile phone. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1807.9 1808.65 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1806.5 1806.78 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1807.49 1808.09 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1808.07 1808.4 Okay. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1808.4 1809.48 I like that idea. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1807.86 1808.07 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1815.14 1817.92 'Cause uh isn't our remote control for 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1809.92 1815.14 Would you be able to, um, put the little device anywhere? 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1819 1820.43 all T. V. s, so 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1821.25 1828.73 If Do you mean the the link between the Well, if the button was actually on 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1821.46 1822.08 you'd ha 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1824.71 1827.89 Yeah, with the button that you pressed. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1827.89 1828.54 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1825.93 1828.35 The button Oh. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1825.41 1825.93 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1829.28 1831.84 Oh, yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1829.41 1837.53 C 'cause then it would only be a applicable to one T. V. set, so it would need to be something that you could stick somewhere, or something. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1829.79 1832.75 Minor detail there. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1837.18 1844.93 Maybe something adhesive that you could like stick onto the back of any set that would be um yeah not very obtrusive. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1835.4 1837.18 Maybe Yeah, yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1844.93 1847.75 Obviously something small that's Yeah, that's a good point. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1837.35 1838.49 Yeah, it would have t 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1840.42 1841.26 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1841.96 1843.41 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1846.03 1846.64 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1853.31 1856.76 but the actual device would have to have its own infrared signaller. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1847.56 1847.88 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1856.76 1857.12 Okay. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1847.88 1853.31 Then it wouldn't, it probably wouldn't be able to use It would be able to use the same reception on the remote c control I guess 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1855.17 1855.66 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1856.04 1856.7 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1856.88 1857.62 Yeah, okay. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1858.24 1859.88 Would it need a battery then? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1860.56 1861.34 Maybe, um 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1862.91 1864.74 Pr probably. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1884.6 1885.27 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1864.74 1869.44 Unless it could be Okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1879.91 1881.37 I mean the power for the T. V. . 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1869.44 1879.91 Um, unless some way, it could have some universal connection to like the socket, the same socket that the T. V. 's supplied from. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1881.37 1884.6 So, mm, more research into that one. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1863.68 1865.3 Probably, I mean. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1865.3 1869.17 That's your department you'll have to sort that out. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1866.94 1867.26 Mm. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1880.94 1881.66 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1886.96 1887.8 Great. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1881.57 1886.96 Yeah, you'll have to Yeah, you'll have to investi Do some research on that, alright? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1887.8 1891.11 Um, alright, and I'm sure that, um 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1884.3 1885.09 Mm. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1893.35 1899.3 um, the glow-in-the-dark, fluorescent, whatever, system, um is a go ahead. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1899.3 1900.67 Is everyone interested in that? 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1899.34 1899.65 Y 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1900.03 1900.76 On the buttons? 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1901.06 1903.22 I I like the light up suggestion. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1904.63 1910.49 'Cause you know the way fluorescent lights lose their brightness after certain time, so 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1903.22 1904.63 I think that would be better. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1903.83 1904.37 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1904.98 1905.31 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1909.04 1909.59 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1908.3 1909.04 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1910.05 1910.48 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1914.66 1918.2 Um right, if w if we're minimising buttons, we might be able to make them actually larger. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1918.2 1919.1 And there's something on it. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1926.65 1927.09 S 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1919.1 1922.99 S you know like up arrow down arrow for, for volume. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1922.99 1926.65 Um, and I don't know what we could do for, for channels. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1911.06 1914.66 it doesn't It could it could be a tactile thing as well. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1911.15 1911.56 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1911.6 1912.83 I would go for 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1919.68 1921.17 Like a raised 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1930.47 1931.38 Like raised. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1927.48 1930.47 Well just the numbers could be embossed, couldn't it? 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1931.55 1932.47 The numbers themselves. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1932.47 1935.83 But then the like up button and down button for the channel, channel changing. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1932.39 1932.64 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1932.64 1933.72 Could be raised. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1936.31 1940.02 Just little arrows, that you could feel, maybe? 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1938.8 1939.08 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1939.24 1940.85 Yeah 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1940.34 1941.13 Hmm. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1944.62 1945.3 I'm not sure. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1940.8 1944.62 I just thought that it, it might be sucking more battery power, if there, if it is a light up. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1945.69 1946.65 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1961.51 1967.79 So like you say tactile might be better, because it'd be more available to everybody. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1946.57 1947.67 That's true. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1953.83 1958.91 Um, so like big b um buttons, for people you are visually impaired. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1958.91 1961.51 The glow-in-the-dark or light up won't make any difference anyway. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1947.67 1953.83 And also y, uh Heather you mentioned before, um like how it should be accessible to everybody. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1946.74 1947.75 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1947.75 1949.35 But I mean 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1953.59 1954.12 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1958.88 1959.57 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1959.27 1959.53 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1962.31 1964.09 That, I think that's good, yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1965.7 1966.03 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1980.88 1991.78 'Cause I d I don't think that glow-in-the-dark material, um, like the actual soft plastic, um, costs that much more than other colours. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1971.15 1980.88 incorporate them both so that the buttons could maybe be in the shape of the numbers themselves and be made out of some glow-in-the-dark material. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1967.51 1971.15 Could we somehow We could, may, possibly, sorry 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1973.18 1973.66 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1973.4 1974.09 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1974.09 1975.19 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1973.78 1974.51 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1977.53 1978.18 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1979.56 1980.87 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1980.87 1981.72 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1980.67 1980.98 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1980.88 1981.14 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1990.27 1991.8 No, I wouldn't say so. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1992.11 1994.98 I mean, it's quite easily accessible. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1990.45 1992.11 No, it's not these days. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 1992.95 1993.39 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1998.87 2002.74 when you're s and then it goes, so if, if you're like changing the volume during a movie. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2013.39 2014.19 It lights up for 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2010.7 2013.39 Um, so if you touch the button, it kind of reactivates it. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2005.73 2010.7 And you don't want to turn on the lights, to turn it down, because there's suddenly an explosion, and it's gonna wake up the baby. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 1993.54 1998.87 I guess the other option, referring to the battery thing is, you know how cellphones will t light up for fifteen seconds or something,
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2002.74 2005.73 I know, I'm thinking of mostly when you're watching a movie you turn all the lights off right. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1998.31 1999.36 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 1999.36 2000.52 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 1998.96 2001.68 That's good Yeah that a good idea. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2003.84 2004.16 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2005.69 2006.43 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2005.77 2006.46 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2009.32 2011.19 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2013.64 2015.16 That, yeah, that's a good idea. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2014.13 2014.69 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2013.71 2014.13 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2015.19 2016.07 On self timer. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2016.16 2018.05 So self-timed lighting. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2018.07 2018.28 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2018.53 2020.42 Alright we have five minutes left 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2021.02 2022.3 Um, I 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2031.38 2034.53 What were you talking about with the lighting up buttons? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2021.67 2027.9 um, for the meeting, but I think we should discuss this light subject a little bit more before we close. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2027.9 2031.38 Um, what was I missed the last moment, reading that. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2037.32 2040.54 fifteen seconds when you touch a button, after having not touched it for a while. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2033.55 2037.32 Oh, just if it was kinda the same way that a cell You know how a cellphone will light up for about ten,
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2040.54 2046.8 Um, if instead of a constant light up on the, on the remote control, if it lights up for ten seconds when it's touched again. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2038.93 2039.39 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2040.23 2040.92 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2047.58 2049.48 So it could be any button that would be pressed. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2047.31 2047.58 Mm. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2052.62 2056.5 So if you have all the lights off in your living room, you'll, you'll temporarily see it. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2049.48 2052.62 Yeah, and you, you touch it and it just kind of lights up a bit, and it gives a faint glow. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2059.92 2060.92 So 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2056.5 2059.92 Because usually you're not fooling around for it for more than what ten seconds. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2049.48 2050.14 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2051.89 2053.51 So, self-timed 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2054.71 2055.26 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2058.85 2059.17 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2058.94 2059.92 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2061.87 2066.67 So, do you think that we should do the lighting up thing, and the glow-in-the-dark thing, and the shape of the numbers? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2066.67 2068.59 Do we have to kind of decide what we're gonna do with this. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2059.4 2061.87 Okay, so That's probably feasible. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2060.9 2061.52 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2068.56 2069.07 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2071.16 2073.01 And I think that's un unique as well. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2073.01 2075.73 I mean, I haven't seen that. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2068.63 2071.16 I think the shape of the numbers is a really good idea. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2075.73 2082.16 And as you're saying like numbers can wear off if they're just sort of like painted on, you know printed. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2071.57 2074.44 For visually impaired, yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2070.67 2071.57 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2070.84 2071.62 Yeah, okay. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2073.09 2073.53 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2075.71 2076.32 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2092.92 2093.64 Okay. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2099.67 2102.39 Or did we want to go for the lighting up instantly? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2091.61 2092.92 Yeah instead of like hard buttons. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2080.58 2085.39 And it could, if it's that softer rubber material it'll be, maybe, um, uh,
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2104.48 2113.98 Because it might, for, for our design purposes, I mean, the lighting up thing might be better because glow-in-the-dark material has a funny kinda colour. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2085.39 2090.46 better for people with um els no what's it called, R. S. I., what was it that we were talking about? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2093.64 2099.67 Um, did we want to go for the glow-in-the-dark look? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2103.5 2104.48 Or we can have one or the other? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2102.39 2103.5 Like should we do both? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2113.98 2117.39 And it might not go with different like face plates that we might come up with. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2090.46 2091.61 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2079.19 2080.58 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2085.76 2087.51 durable. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2090.98 2091.42 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2093.37 2094.34 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2091.42 2093.37 Repetitive strain injury. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2090.66 2090.98 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2089.48 2090.66 Oh yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2089.9 2090.89 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2089.98 2091.35 Oh right, the 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2099.81 2100.95 If 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2111 2111.35 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2113.86 2115.63 I was gonna say, 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2124.08 2125.13 So 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2120.48 2122.32 It's kind of like Eighties neon-style. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2122.32 2124.08 Um, whereas we're trying to be trendy and fashionable. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2117.35 2117.91 Exactly. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2117.91 2120.48 It the it might be perceived as tacky, glow-in-the-dark. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2117.64 2118.29 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2120.67 2121.05 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2125.23 2130.25 or a huge range of different colours that it could light up in as well, which could like link in with the company colours. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2130.25 2137.48 Like it could be blue or green or yellow, or like we've just limited t with the, just ordinary phosphorescent so 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2122.29 2125.23 Yeah, and we could Yeah there are now like loads,
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2132.17 2132.71 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2132.36 2133.37 Right. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2133.37 2133.9 Right. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2136.84 2137.15 Alright. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2137.15 2140.23 So we've decided on lighting up things. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2139.36 2148.35 I was thinking though, if it was glow-in-the-dark, you could put the um Real Reaction symbol as glow-in-the-dark, and then it would be constantly advertised. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2153.56 2154.69 Or, or the, whate 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2149.01 2153.56 Every time the, that it lit up, you c that could light up as well. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2148.25 2149.01 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2148.73 2149.3 Mm. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2151.33 2151.77 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2152.77 2153.71 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2153.71 2154.04 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2154.09 2154.66 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2156.29 2161.27 If you touch the button and then it could be, it could be lit up as well. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2154.66 2156.29 But with the same thing, I mean. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2161.27 2163.58 Is Are you okay with that? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2163.98 2165.69 Cool. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2165.69 2166.2 Um 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2163.58 2163.98 Okay. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2155.6 2155.96 That's true. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2157.1 2157.63 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2158.75 2159.51 Okay. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2157.67 2158.75 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2163.17 2164.09 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2168.16 2169.35 So I think that um 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2167.9 2168.16 Alright. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2170.31 2171.15 Is 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2170.46 2174.98 that completes most of our um our more uh practical decisions. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2177.16 2180.71 And um making sure that this can be feasible. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2174.98 2177.16 And now it's up to designing. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2180.71 2184.38 And do you have anything Do you have anything to say? 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2180.33 2183.04 What um Oh sorry. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2188.76 2191.73 Um, it, you, 'cause you mentioned face plates. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2183.86 2188.76 Yeah well, I was just gonna throw out there the thought about um personalising the remote control. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2191.73 2193.19 So I I dunno if there's something that 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2194.61 2196.38 diff, you know like five different face plates. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2196.38 2201.02 I dunno if this will start making it more complicated, but it could increase the popularity of the, of the remote. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2201.02 2201.46 Um 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2200.51 2201.02 Okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2201.02 2205.35 Like you can have changeable um mobile covers or something. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2205.35 2207.5 Yeah, or Okay. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2202.02 2203.42 Interchangeable thing? 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2200.81 2202.02 Oh yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2203.36 2204.18 Yeah, 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2205.91 2206.86 Okay. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2204.11 2205.91 Like an iPod or something? 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2204.67 2206.01 That would be good. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2206.01 2206.61 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2207.08 2209.04 Or, or like mobile ph. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2214.42 2214.92 But 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2206.42 2207.08 Exactly. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2205.33 2206.42 Exactly, like an iPod. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2209.04 2211.63 And I dunno if we'd want to go with like T. V. show themes or something. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2211.63 2214.42 Like a Bart Simpson faceplate. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2208.8 2209.09 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2208.01 2208.8 Like a cellphone? 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2218.54 2220.36 Y Could buy extra 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2212.79 2218.54 Yeah, and then that would be uh more profitable like as a sideline to the remote as well. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2216.15 2219.09 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2219.33 2220.69 Accessories. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2217.98 2219.33 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2219.52 2220.02 Exactly. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2220.02 2223.71 You could start out with three, and if, if we hit it big then we can add some on. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2218.71 2219.52 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2220.59 2221.92 Person 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2223.02 2223.75 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2224.21 2225.32 Well, that's great. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2223.8 2224.21 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2225.23 2226.16 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2224.25 2225.23 That's a good idea. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2225.35 2226.71 I think that we should incorporate that. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2225.01 2225.35 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2226.84 2228.44 Interchangeable. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2228.44 2229.26 Um, als 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2228.84 2230.71 'Cause that wouldn't be very expensive at all. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2230.71 2231.96 You'd just get one mould, 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2230.82 2231.19 No. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2232.96 2233.73 Interchan 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2231.89 2232.96 Yeah. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2232.19 2232.54 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2233.35 2235.71 throw some plastic in it, you know. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2235.82 2244 And also possible I mean, uh, we could gain out of that by advertising certain T. V. shows, or 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2243.9 2244.73 Oh yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2244.07 2244.27 Yeah. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2247.57 2251.63 So, if it takes off then we'll, we'll, we'll try that out. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2244.27 2247.57 Well, that might be com problematic with um copyright issues. 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2244.9 2245.64 Right. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2247.85 2250.77 But if we, there is Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2250.77 2255.98 We could Um, the environmental factor, we didn't bring that up again. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2247.14 2247.85 Yeah. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2248.6 2249 If w 
ES2015b H03 FEE060 2256.23 2256.91 Right. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2262.87 2267.21 Um, does it need to be reached a de Do we need to reach a decision on that right now? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2256.23 2256.76 Right. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2267.21 2269.76 Because we need to investigate the financial implications. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2258.67 2262.87 Like as of yet, that has nothing to do with, um, the way it'll look. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2256.76 2258.67 We'll have to do more research. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2262.58 2263.48 Yeah. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2266.65 2267.95 Um, I've 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2269.92 2272.73 Okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2272.73 2273.8 Let's 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2271.29 2271.66 Okay. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2272.87 2275.42 Is it Does it need to be uh decided on now? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2275.42 2276.62 Or should we 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2275.64 2279.13 I think we could probably leave that 'til later on, then. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2277.89 2278.32 Okay. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2280.94 2284.21 Anyone else have anything more to say before we close? 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2280.29 2280.94 Alright then. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2279.58 2280.29 Good. 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2284 2284.46 No. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2284.58 2285.06 No. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2285.32 2286.36 Alright, well. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2287.05 2289.84 Let's have lunch and we'll discuss this later. 
ES2015b H00 FEE057 2289.84 2290.23 Alright? 
ES2015b H02 FEE059 2287.79 2289.98 Okay. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2289.96 2290.55 Thank you. 
ES2015b H01 FEE058 2289.46 2289.96 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 39.13 41.72 Is everyone ready to start? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 43.6 50.66 Well, welcome to the third meeting of conceptual design. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 50.66 54.85 I'll just get the PowerPoint presentation up and running. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 41.72 42.06 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 42.06 43.6 Great. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 40.47 44.01 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 40.55 41.6 Yes. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 41.05 41.44 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 92.14 95.41 Alright, and I will switch up PowerPoint. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 59.4 60.54 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 72.31 76.45 And, um, then we have to make some key decisions on,
ES2015c H00 FEE057 76.45 82.8 on our remote control concept, and how we're gonna make it, what uh materials we're gonna use, and that sort of thing. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 82.8 85.86 The meeting will be forty minutes long. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 67.53 72.31 after we came up with um some general ideas of our design. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 85.86 92.14 And um we will once again have Poppy as our first presenter. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 60.54 67.53 Um, on the agenda for this, um, for this particular meeting, we'll have your three presentations on what you've done since our last meeting 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 85.08 85.6 Okay. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 91.44 92.13 Okay. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 98.25 99.33 Thank you. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 100.77 101.89 Okay. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 109.02 111.73 Should be just loading. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 114.83 116.95 Oh, although I can't see it on my screen. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 113.56 114.83 Okay. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 118.45 119.81 That says go here. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 180.7 183 Um, and all their positioning in the circuit. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 155.41 160.16 Um, there are several components of, um,
ES2015c H01 FEE058 134.61 138.79 Um, first of all we have to look at how the remote control is actually made,
ES2015c H01 FEE058 122.69 123.94 Okay. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 173.75 180.7 Um, diodes, transistors, resonators, resistors, and capacit capacitors all need to be considered as well. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 123.94 134.61 I've been doing some research into the different components that we could use, um what's available to us f to actually make the remote control. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 138.79 143.27 and what is it happens inside the casing, which is more your field. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 151.44 155.41 Which is not necessarily a battery, as we're about to see. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 160.16 164.73 the circuit board that we need to consider, where we'll be getting them from, what they'll be made of. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 169.41 173.75 Which is where all the main information is uh contained. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 143.27 151.44 Um, thes main internal feature is a circuit board, which contains all the elec electronics and also the contacts with the power source. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 164.73 169.41 Um, including the integrated circuit, which is also known as the chip. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 181.2 181.71 Um 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 183.29 188.19 Are they all included, like mandatorily, or r are these different options? 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 208.05 210.79 And the L. E. D. of course, that's a light emitting diode. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 196.1 197.73 We can go into that later. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 188.05 192.73 Uh, these, they're all different options, they're all separate, apart from the chip,
ES2015c H01 FEE058 197.73 202.95 Um, all the other things are individual components that we'd have to get in separately, and work out the most,
ES2015c H01 FEE058 202.95 208.05 like, effective um circuit, including all the wires and everything like that. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 192.73 196.1 which we will probable decide whether we buy a simple, a regular, advanced. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 210.79 216.56 So, we could, so we've got flex flexibility with colours and things, with that as well. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 192.51 193.47 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 214.95 215.23 Mm. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 228.4 233.68 And they're not so great to dispose of, environmentally. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 233.68 240.37 There's a hand-powered dynamo which is a sort of thing that was used for torches fifty years ago. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 217.65 221.46 Okay, there are lots of different possibilities for the energy source. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 221.46 228.4 We could use a basic battery, but that brings with it, like they need to be recharged and the bulk, the size of it as well. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 241.5 245.08 Kinetic energy is something that's been recently developed. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 240.37 241.5 A bit out of date. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 242.63 243.01 Um 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 244.23 245.8 What is a hand-powered dynamo? 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 254.34 255.73 Every once in a while I think. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 250.56 252.85 Like you wind up something. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 252.85 253.89 Sorry? 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 255.73 256.81 But it's 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 253.89 254.34 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 245.76 250.56 Um, where you manually charge up the power. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 250.93 252.33 Just every, every once in a while? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 253.26 254.9 Just every once in a while or constantly? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 256.14 259.85 It'd be kind of strange to always be cranking it I think. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 255.83 256.14 Alright. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 258.12 260.33 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 258.27 258.62 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 281.98 292.2 Um, or there's solar power, which we've been considering inside a building, which is where it's gonna be used, might not be quite so useful. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 258.62 260.2 It would be like going a step back in time. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 260.2 264.25 I don't think it would really be with kind of cutting edge technology. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 264.25 275.32 Whereas kinetic energy is a new idea that's being used by some watches and other devices, where you just shake the device and it gives it power. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 275.32 281.98 I mean, the kinetic energy is transformed into power to make the circuit work. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 292.2 296.2 But, good to look into, renewable energy, always the way. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 263.52 265.45 No. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 290.19 290.91 Right. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 296.74 302.63 Um, lots of considerations for the case, like what sort of shape it would be, curved or flat. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 327.69 330.1 Because you can't really see which way round it is. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 311.27 312.33 Or too small. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 302.63 304.81 That's got a lot to do with the ergonomics. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 304.81 307.75 Like how it's comfortable and s sits in the hand. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 321.54 327.69 and the shape was so symmetrical that I'd be pressing like a volume button instead of the on button. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 313.95 321.54 I know I've had a remote control before which you couldn't tell which was the front and the back, 'cause it had so many buttons on 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 312.33 313.95 Or too slidy. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 307.75 311.27 We don't want something that's huge and you can't pick up. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 325.17 325.61 Mm. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 330.28 331.07 Right. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 351.97 353.29 Wood. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 330.6 342.98 Um, we also can choose what materials um, the we could use metal, we could use rubber which might be more um ideal for the anti-R. S. I. . 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 359.69 365.4 Um, titanium is not gonna be possible, even though it just it beyond our budget really. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 355.96 359.69 I don't think that's quite up to date with what we're looking for here. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 342.98 351.97 It's like the same sort of rubber that's used in stress balls and things like that, so it's very like soft, not so stressful on your hands. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 353.29 355.96 Um, again, stepping back in time again there. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 365.4 368.14 But, would've been maybe for future projects. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 346.74 347.69 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 359.32 360.05 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 369.15 372.15 Um right our choice for buttons as well. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 383.2 393.11 I think that was brought up for, um, they're basically quite a flexible design, modern, you don't have to use individual buttons. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 393.11 394.9 You can just slide up and down. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 394.9 399.88 I'm sure we're all quite familiar with those on mobiles or computer laptop pads. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 372.15 383.2 We've developed some we've got some good advances in technology, with our research team have found some uh new multiple um option scroll buttons. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 397.27 397.59 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 397.34 397.52 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 400.16 401.93 Um one thing with the scroll buttons though. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 401.93 406.16 It, it we would have to have an L. C. D. um 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 435.38 439.56 Linked in the different depends on what type of buttons we have and the inputs. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 407.72 411.04 And that would lead to an advanced yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 425.89 427.28 It's the most straightforward. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 406.02 406.63 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 439.56 442.06 Um simple would go with the pushbutton. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 431.71 433.91 Got decisions to make there. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 427.28 431.71 But you can in like incorporate that with a scroll button as well. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 417.87 421.26 And it's unlikely that that's gonna be in our budget. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 406.63 407.72 That's true. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 411.04 412.66 If we have yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 421.26 425.89 Um, also we've got the integrated pushbutton, which is what we're most familiar with. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 412.66 417.87 We're going on to that later with the advanc with the L. C. D. that means we'd need a really advanced chip. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 433.91 435.38 And this is what I was just saying before. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 407.09 410.53 display, and the glow in the dark thing 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 411.1 412.05 might be difficult. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 417.7 418.23 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 418.83 419.24 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 461.5 466.63 It's not been seen before, so it could be quite a, a novelty factor, attractive as well. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 442.52 446.94 Um, regular you could link with the scroll button. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 457.43 461.5 I don't, I think that's quite um an advanced kind of technology. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 477.13 479.84 You just give it a shake. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 455.22 457.43 I think we could go for the kinetic energy source. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 466.63 477.13 And also energy saving 'cause you're producing the energy, you don't need an external sort of battery supply or solar panels. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 446.94 453.71 And the advanced we'd have to go with a L. C. D. s display. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 479.84 480.69 Sounds brilliant to me. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 453.71 455.22 My personal preferences? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 451.13 451.65 Right. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 479.07 479.37 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 500.32 507.14 then we could possibly have the scroll and the push, but no L. C. D., 'cause we probably can't afford that one. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 490.34 492.74 Like it could be pretty much any colour we want. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 481.14 490.34 Rubber casing I thing would probably the best, if we're going for the anti-R. S. I. and like more choice with um aesthetics. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 492.74 496.67 Um, and gives you, yeah, more flexibility there. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 496.67 500.32 And probably the regular chip as opposed to the simple,
ES2015c H00 FEE057 481.35 481.53 Uh. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 507.16 508.09 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 508.09 520.83 Um, one concern with the rubber casing is that it would be rubber encapsulating all of these chips and diodes and delicate technology as 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 509.8 510.51 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 521.96 522.91 like as the exterior. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 522.91 524.9 This is the one thing that's protecting its innards. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 529.39 533.91 And the rubber would just be the, what's in contact with the human. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 524.95 529.39 I think that would, uh there would be an in sort of more internal casing. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 533.91 534.2 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 550.99 552.45 It would work that way. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 534.2 541.41 Another thing is it might be more difficult if it's a rubber exterior talking about putting on interchangeable plates. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 547.65 550.99 Like if it was sort of like a clip-on plastic plate. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 541.41 547.65 Um, is it I don't see how a like a rubber plate going on top it would stay there. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 533.54 534.2 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 541.1 541.84 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 541.19 541.64 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 553.05 559.8 Maybe if the, um, if it was just kind of a, more of a rubber coating which was on to a case. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 559.8 563.58 So, it was kind of, the whole thing would be removable. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 553.16 553.39 W 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 564.29 567.54 Like plastic with rubber, kind of on top 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 565.94 566.59 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 566.59 569.41 Like I can't think of what. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 567.05 567.8 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 569.11 574.69 Well, there's, there is a certain phone that has like a rubber casing, b like a Nokia it is. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 574.69 576.9 It's yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 590.04 590.63 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 572.41 573.19 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 573.19 579.23 Or like an you can get sort of outer casing for iPods and something, that's just it's protective as well. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 587.44 590.04 I think i maybe a mixture of both there, maybe. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 583.4 587.44 as well, 'cause it wouldn't damage itself so easily. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 579.23 583.4 It, it stops it, I mean, it would reduce the impact if it was dropped or something,
ES2015c H00 FEE057 572.7 573.61 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 573.19 573.48 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 577.78 578.48 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 577.84 578.82 Like the skin? 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 578.82 579.59 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 583.4 584.05 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 587.04 587.64 Alright. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 587.64 588.57 So maybe the 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 588.05 588.34 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 589.48 590 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 590.05 593.39 So the actual remote would be hard plastic and the casings rubber. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 593.39 593.87 Okay. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 593.87 595.19 And the buttons obviously are rubber. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 592.04 593.21 And then yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 593.21 593.57 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 592.84 593.33 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 594.09 594.83 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 595.87 596.5 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 596.26 597.16 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 596.41 596.64 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 596.96 597.54 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 600.24 605.49 I, um, is it possible to put designs onto this type of rubber? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 599.67 600.24 That sounds good. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 607.84 609.23 It should be. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 606.64 607.84 As far as I know. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 611.41 614.24 Yes, just why not. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 614.49 616.99 I like the kinetic energy source idea. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 616.99 622.59 Um, I don't know when people will, um, be moving a remote around a lot. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 614.24 614.49 Alright. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 622.59 625.89 But I think that it's worth it, kinetety, kinetic um 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 608.71 611.41 Okay, we'll just say yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 612 613.11 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 610.96 612 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 616.28 616.9 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 616.9 618.4 I thought that was 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 622.29 622.91 Yeah, tha 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 623.07 623.41 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 627.57 629.52 It could make an we could have any kind of style. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 626.96 627.57 energy source. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 629.52 631.07 It wouldn't be as heavy or bulky, and 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 627.69 628.13 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 631.09 631.97 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 632.92 635.15 Just for environmental reasons. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 632.69 632.92 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 635.25 635.89 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 636.64 638.62 I guess it's a bit scary 'cause it hasn't been done before. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 639.03 639.6 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 639.96 642.39 So it seems we'd have to do more research on it. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 642.39 644.79 Or I dunno if you could have a battery pack. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 645.02 647.73 Like as a backup for something. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 642.58 645.02 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 645.45 646.54 Backup. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 646.54 647.78 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 646.5 650.92 Yeah so there's there is a one battery, because most remotes use two batteries I believe. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 650.92 652.89 So, if it was running off of one battery as a 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 650.22 650.91 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 650.79 651.45 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 652.5 653.67 That would be good yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 653.35 654.66 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 654.66 658.68 Some alternative just in case something went wrong. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 656.5 657.7 Right. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 669.21 671.89 So maybe that could be incorporated as 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 660.04 669.21 Maybe we could you were saying about um solar power ma maybe not working indoors, but a lot of calculators, yeah, have solar power. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 667.02 668.9 I just thought of that. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 666.39 667.02 That's true. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 670.52 673.19 May maybe that could be the backup. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 670.05 670.52 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 668.9 670.05 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 673.19 674.54 Instead of a battery. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 674.54 675.93 Like solar backup. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 672.73 673.5 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 673.21 673.87 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 674.47 676.95 Although it needs some light, doesn't it? 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 677.72 679.37 I suppose s but some 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 677.37 677.72 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 677.66 681.09 Do, do those calculators yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 677.9 680.46 Yeah, you can watch a T. V. in the dark then. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 680.99 681.55 If we're 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 677.98 680.99 So, if we're doing yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 693.08 695.37 Like a few hours a day. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 684.4 685.28 It can be stored. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 689.41 693.08 It just needs to be in light for a certain amount of time per day. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 682.03 684.4 But thing is, it's not you don't need the solar all the time. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 685.28 689.41 It can be like you can have the solar energy and then it can store that energy and use it. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 682.16 683.56 I don't know how it works. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 685.83 686.39 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 686.45 686.97 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 691.52 692.37 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 693.31 693.85 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 694.95 697.44 I think that might be a little impractical though. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 696.9 697.29 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 697.29 701.58 I think sometimes it's just shoved under, under a cushion, and yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 700.25 700.66 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 701.16 702.14 It could easily 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 700.48 701.16 That's true. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 701.19 701.77 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 702.32 703.99 Like people don't wanna have to worry about that. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 718.32 720.49 And it works. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 715.08 718.32 You don't have to, you know, you can shake it a few times, or whatever. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 721.53 725.81 Instead of you don't have to like make sure it's in the right place to charge and. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 720.49 721.53 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 704.86 711.27 I suppose it would be really annoying if you get to think, oh no, I forgot to charge my remote today. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 703.54 704.86 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 711.27 715.08 Like if the kinetic thing, I think what's best about that is that it's instant energy. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 703.99 704.21 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 704.86 705.27 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 711.34 712.07 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 712.52 713.54 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 713.48 714.03 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 719.06 722.15 Or just like pick it up when you're gonna use it. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 718.05 719.06 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 721.06 722.55 Yeah, I suppose. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 724.6 724.92 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 725.14 725.68 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 726.59 727.02 Cool. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 726.37 726.59 Alright. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 726.99 728.4 K okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 730.25 731.01 Alright. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 728.64 730.25 'S that the end of your presentation. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 731.01 731.47 Thank you. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 729.3 730.02 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 729.93 730.31 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 736.88 737.38 There we go. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 737.6 738.64 Thanks. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 749.63 749.91 Oh. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 765.59 767.01 Why? 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 764.48 765.59 It's not on my screen. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 768.68 771.06 I think, I just, I just used the mouse on there. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 767.93 768.68 I don't know why. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 765.55 767.93 it wasn't on mine either. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 771.01 771.81 Oh okay. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 768.97 771.01 You don't know why? 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 773.58 774.38 Is it that one? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 774.52 774.8 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 774.8 776.25 That's um 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 774.83 775.53 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 776.55 781.9 Um, I'm just gonna go through the interface concept with yous now. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 785.69 797.76 It's the aspects of a computer system which can be seen or otherwise perceived, for example, heard or felt maybe, or by the human user. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 781.9 785.69 Uh, first of all I'll explain what a user interface is. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 799.22 805.86 And it's also the commands that the user uses to control its operation and to input data. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 810.61 813.45 Um, there are two types of user interfaces. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 813.45 823.75 There's the graphical user interface, which emphasises the use of pictures for output and a pointing device, for example a mouse for input control. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 823.75 826.47 So that's sort of like the scroll thing we were talking about. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 827.7 828.02 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 826.78 826.9 Oh. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 826.9 827.7 Okay. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 827.62 828.68 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 830.31 835.03 I'm not really sure about the pictures that maybe that's on an L. C. D. screen. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 835.03 835.98 Or maybe it's 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 834.69 835.34 Mm. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 837.19 842.03 the the buttons or pictures or something. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 841.8 842.27 Hmm. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 844.81 846.17 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 846.17 849.96 So I suppose sometime after you. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 845.7 846.61 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 849.29 856.67 Um, because command interface requires you to type textual commands and input at a keyboard, so the numbers are sort of like a keyboard. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 846.61 849.29 Yeah, 'cause I'm sorry? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 856.67 860.91 You're pressing the numbers for, um, for what you want. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 845.84 847.23 Do you think it's 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 857.43 858.05 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 856.53 857.43 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 857.95 858.66 Mm. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 859.68 866.28 So you must, for the graphical user you must need some kind of presentation for the graphics. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 866.28 868.02 Like an L. C. D. screen. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 883.08 887.06 which I suppose it's that sort of thing like the, the symbol on the button. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 887.06 894.08 But if we're having a simplified display anyway, w that, we probably won't have to focus so much on that. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 894.08 896.27 It'll be more the on the numbers and the volume. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 874.61 879.56 And if you wanted to go onto teletext or, I know we're not having that, but I mean a similar thing, you 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 866.57 874.61 I s I suppose where um mm on some buttons you would have like the power would be s some kind of symbol. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 879.56 883.08 they have there's a like little picture with a screen with lines across it,
ES2015c H02 FEE059 874.45 875.19 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 877.96 878.4 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 883.57 884.19 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 885.46 885.93 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 892.1 893.4 Yeah, we'll be doing 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 895.13 895.84 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 895.65 896.29 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 896.29 898.77 It'd be more a command interface, and then 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 897.54 898.56 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 897.92 902.37 I suppose we need to think of symbols for like the volume, display, and stuff like that. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 901.24 901.92 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 902.04 904.85 So it's just draf graphical for the pointing aspect? 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 905.98 908.09 The infrared is like, that's considered a 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 906.19 907.12 I 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 907.99 908.34 Hmm? 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 908.69 916.54 No I think it's to do with the actual symbols that are on the, that's on the buttons of the remote control, and per 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 915.64 915.93 Okay. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 915.93 918.53 So when it says pointing device that doesn't include 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 916.46 917.09 For inp 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 917.88 921.63 Well it could be a wee scroller thing, and something could come up on the screen. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 921.45 923.56 I think they're talking about L. C. D. type things. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 921.02 921.45 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 923.21 923.95 Mm. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 923.21 923.55 Okay. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 923.88 924.44 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 924.83 925.19 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 925.33 925.87 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 926.78 927.51 But um 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 934.08 945.09 But the, we could incorporate some of the graphical user um points, as in just to make it m um nicer to look at maybe. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 929.71 934.08 I think we're gonna go with the command interface anyway, to make it more simplistic. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 932.87 933.72 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 933.76 933.96 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 944.84 945.32 What do you mean? 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 946.2 950.16 Like I can't think of an example, but 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 950.72 953.26 Sort of like little pictures rather than 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 953.68 955.53 Oh yeah, like how the buttons 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 958.68 960.36 Yeah, something y 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 954.16 955.71 Like a little sound. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 955.71 958.68 Instead of saying volume, like a little speaker or something. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 964.93 966.7 I like that idea. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 963.56 964.71 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 960.2 963.56 So, it's a keyboard in the shape of it, right? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 964.71 964.93 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 958.61 960.2 Yeah, as a button though. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 958.87 959.29 Mm. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 962.12 964.19 Yeah m perha yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 964.5 965.12 Maybe. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 964.19 964.5 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 966.62 973.6 Um, the co uh we've decided that the command interface would be the most useful for a remote control. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 973.6 979.13 As it would be less complicated, and the controls would be more user-friendly. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 986.76 989.73 um, target the design area of the interface. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 980.33 986.76 Um, the remote control would be cheaper to design, so that we'd have more money in the budget to,
ES2015c H02 FEE059 989.73 991.33 You know, make it more trendy and original. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 991.33 993.34 We'll have more money if we keep it simple. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 993.84 997.11 I'm sure i like kinetic energy would probably dip into the budget. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 993.48 993.84 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 997.6 998.37 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 997.82 998.47 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 998.07 999.53 A bit more too, yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1002.82 1003.66 Um 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 999.14 1002.82 Seeing as it's quite a new technology. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1013.41 1023.44 that a lot of interfaces consist of a clutter of buttons, that, um, that their functions, colours and forms aren't always helpful. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1005.81 1013.41 We, we also have to keep in mind when we're designing our, um, more user-friendly remote control,
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1024.08 1024.44 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1030.25 1034.57 It can be a bit, yeah, overwhelming. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1024.44 1025.34 That's true. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1025.34 1030.25 That's in like the buttons with all the different like colours for different choices and things. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1025.1 1026.16 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1029.88 1030.68 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1037.34 1045.79 So, um, that doesn't improve the use of the produ product, so we need to come up with something that's easy to understand. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1033.49 1037.34 And that all interfaces are different. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1047.86 1053.71 And maybe learn from the mistakes of other interfaces that can be too complicated for people to use. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1055.54 1055.94 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1057.91 1058.76 Yep. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1058.5 1060.25 Does anyone have any questions? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1062.51 1068.41 Do you think that we should keep all the buttons to one same colour, just to keep it, give it a simplistic look. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1069.18 1069.72 Mm. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1078.72 1083.34 and we might, I mean, depending on what comes out of the design, we might have to stick to just black buttons. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1074.79 1078.72 Just because of colour clashing, and if we wanted to, so and,
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1070.55 1074.79 I think if we go with the um design plate thing, we'll have to. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1076.77 1077.59 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1077.59 1078.58 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1084.14 1085.76 But um 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1085.15 1086.73 But what about the lighting up effect? 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1087.79 1089.75 You mean different colours for the lighting or 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1097.44 1101.22 And so if they were black, it wouldn't be possible for them to light up. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1089.91 1097.44 Um, well, um, I thought we had um decided that we would if you touched one of the buttons they'd all light up. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1097.58 1098.02 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1102.52 1103.48 Oh I see what you're saying. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1104.51 1104.89 Well y 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1104.75 1106.63 If they were white they would glow, probably. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1106.63 1107.75 If they were made out of rubber. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1107.42 1109.45 Oh so you're picturing the light is coming from the back. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1109.45 1114.35 I kinda pictured it as kind of coming from the sides and lighting it up frontwards. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1114.83 1115.27 Oh. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1115.01 1117.08 But, but I guess, you mean from the back. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1117.08 1117.44 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1115.41 1115.72 Oh. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1115.72 1117.38 Where would the light come from? 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1124.04 1129.38 So there would have to, have to be some parts maybe transparent around the buttons, or something. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1119.01 1124.04 I'd assume, like, an internal light, that comes through. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1121.66 1122.02 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1122.16 1122.81 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1122.31 1122.84 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1127.79 1128.55 Right. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1128.08 1134.34 Yeah, and well rubber is a more translucent product too, so we have that taken care of. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1130.79 1131.66 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1132.38 1132.74 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1132.75 1134.5 It should be able to mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1152.21 1153.23 Do you know what I mean? 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1135.08 1141.74 In the phone that I was thinking of as well, when you change the um covers of it, the,
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1141.74 1148.78 the little buttons that actually, you know, that contro control stuff, are behind the rubber. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1148.78 1152.21 So you can change the buttons when you're changing the faces. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1153.23 1157.51 'Cause it's just the wee control, yeah, thing that's behind it. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1145.19 1146.98 Li yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1152.99 1153.24 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1153.24 1154.82 They, they insert over. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1152.12 1152.99 Oh. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1153.23 1154.46 Oh. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1156.02 1156.58 Okay. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1158.61 1159.67 So 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1158.9 1159.85 Mm. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1162.73 1166.25 Each face could have its own colour of buttons maybe? 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1160.13 1162.73 I mean, we don't have to decide on one colour. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1166.34 1167.59 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1171.5 1173.29 So that you can feel them. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1168.57 1171.5 Well, if they're raised up buttons. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1173.29 1174.85 We were talking about it being more 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1171.03 1171.55 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1184.6 1189.45 If it's flat then, like o like on a cellphone or a mobile phone,
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1179.89 1182.79 Um, it might be more difficult to do. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1177.13 1179.89 um, a lot more tangible. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1189.45 1193.42 it's like all very flat, and you just have to sort of press down on these tiny little buttons, but 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1182.79 1184.6 If they're, if they're sticking up. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1178 1178.32 T 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1182.4 1183.07 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1193.9 1194.48 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1194.61 1195.61 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1214.24 1215.56 And then you get to the circuit. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1204.78 1210.17 'Cause if it's just like constructed in the same way as like the front cover of a mobile phone. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1201.27 1204.78 I mean, the uh the dimensions of it. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1228.2 1231.64 I'm sure that'd be fine. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1198.89 1201.27 I don't think it would make that much difference. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1197.8 1198.89 I think it would be possible. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1210.17 1214.24 You can like take off the hard cover and then there's the like say the buttons. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1215.56 1222.26 I don't think it would matter that the buttons were bigger through the, the top casing. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1222.26 1228.2 I'm sure you could f work it out to fit in the casing, without causing too much difficulty. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1225.75 1226.46 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1229.1 1230.01 Alright. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1228.32 1229.1 Okay. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1228.33 1228.76 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1231.52 1233.13 If it's do-able we can do. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1233.13 1234.8 Yeah, sounds good to me. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1234.89 1236.23 So that's everything, then? 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1237.15 1237.82 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1238.21 1238.81 Alright, thank you. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1242.98 1244.13 Okay is that my turn then? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1246.36 1247.11 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1243.99 1246.36 That means you're up. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1244.29 1244.58 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1245.84 1246.96 Alright. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1249.31 1253.21 I have a shorter report for you today. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1253.21 1255.85 Um, it took a while to get this, uh 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1257.06 1257.7 Uh. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1263.09 1264.35 You're not plugged in yet. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1264.26 1265.72 Oh. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1265.72 1266.67 That's a very good point. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1290.6 1296.81 Um, basically so we can live up to our, our uh purpose of having a very fashionable remote control. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1297.22 1298.33 There we go. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1286.89 1290.6 Okay, so um, this report is about uh trend-watching. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1296.81 1297.22 Sorry. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1306.9 1311.41 And I looked at the design reports from previous years, here at Real Remote. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1303.52 1306.9 I also spoke with fashion experts in Milan, New York and Paris. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1298.9 1303.52 Um So, just so you know, my method was mainly web web-based research this time around. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1311.41 1314.43 Um, just so c we can work off of them, see how fashions have changed. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1323.03 1328.62 Uh, the first one is that there should be a fancy look-and-feel, instead of the current functional look-and-feel. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1315.2 1319.3 Um, so I'll list the three most important aspects that I've come across. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1319.3 1323.03 Um, and they, they're each more important than the one that comes after it. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1328.62 1331.15 Um, this should be our priority, as we've been saying. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1336.42 1340.16 So, I think we've done a lot of talking about that, just with lighting and the buttons and the 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1331.46 1336.42 The second most important aspect is that a remote sh that the remote control should be technologically innovative. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1340.56 1341.93 face-plates. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1344.41 1347.81 And the third most important aspect is that the remote control should be easy to use. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1341.93 1344.41 Um, so it looks like we'll be able to keep on track with that. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1348.73 1350.09 So, pretty basic there. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1355.98 1360.02 is that fruit and vegetables will be the most important theme for clothes, shoes and furniture. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1351.02 1355.98 And the recent fashion update, uh, according to fashion-watchers in Paris and Milan,
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1365.47 1368.81 Again, we've already discussed that with rubber versus hard plastic buttons. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1360.73 1365.47 Um, also, in contra uh in contrast to last year, the feel of the material is expected to be spongy. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1369.65 1370.19 Um 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1371.63 1374.26 So, my personal preferences here, 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1389.55 1391.7 Maybe for the television that people have in their kitchen. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1386.39 1387.72 I don't know if we wanna do it on remotes. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1375.33 1380.5 um of course, as we, we've already talked about the personal face-plates in this meeting, and I'd like to stick to that. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1387.72 1389.55 It could be one of the options. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1383.63 1386.39 It sounds something that you'd use on kitchenware. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1380.5 1383.63 The fruits and vegetable themes, I don't know if that's going to work for us. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1386.53 1386.84 Mm. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1389.66 1390 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1396.56 1400.59 And then, uh, tying in a trendy look with user-friendliness. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1392.71 1396.56 Um, the temporary light-up idea, sounds like we're gonna stick to that. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1401.92 1402.24 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1402.24 1405.75 Yeah, it's the fruits and vegetables is the only 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1409.53 1412.08 Everything else we can really, we can really 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1407.21 1409.53 area that I find rather jarring. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1409.45 1409.82 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1409.84 1410.81 It is strange. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1416.87 1421.08 But fruits and vegetables seems a very strange idea for a remote control. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1413.66 1416.87 um, do, according to our plans already, given the market. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1426.61 1430.81 But I I think, I think if we stick to T. V. based, you know, maybe T. V. shows, or 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1418.89 1421.81 It's, it's a little but it, it's everywhere. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1421.81 1426.61 So maybe we I've seen a lot of purses with olives on them, you know. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1419.96 1420.74 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1420.2 1420.96 Well 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1422.17 1422.6 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1426.66 1427.12 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1431.2 1431.67 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1431.57 1433.38 Or colour schemes. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1431.64 1435.93 But they still need to um fit into people's decor though. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1432.6 1433.46 We 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1435.63 1436.7 Right. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1459.42 1466.52 Or just like you know really make it a quite abstract, if that's fits in more with what we're doing. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1457.02 1459.42 Or a strawberry seed or a leaf. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1450.12 1457.02 I mean we don't have to make something in the shape of a strawberry, but it could have the curves of a strawberry, or something. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1479.85 1481.57 But initially, I dunno. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1466.52 1471.31 Instead of fruits and vegetables, just if you look at it straightforward, it's a bit yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1471.31 1476.53 It doesn't s quite fit in with the trendy well, obviously it does, if that's the current theme. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1435.68 1439.13 I think we possibly could take a more abstract design. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1476.53 1479.85 But may maybe we could go more directly, I don't know. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1439.13 1443.38 Like look at the basic shapes of different fruits and vegetables. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1481.57 1485.43 I think if we just sort of tone it down a bit. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1443.38 1450.12 And then just really like strip it down to like really basic shapes. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1456.82 1457.78 The 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1456.39 1456.82 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1456.9 1458.53 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1458.47 1460.31 The essence of strawberry. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1460.31 1460.69 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1459.78 1460.23 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1466.84 1467.56 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1468.5 1469.4 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1475.88 1477.04 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1479.67 1480.43 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1486.08 1489.77 Yeah and like not, not yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1486.92 1490.91 Yeah, like more like photos of fruit, on, on our product. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1486.35 1486.92 Tone it down. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1486.38 1487.42 I guess, yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1487.14 1487.94 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1489.76 1492.96 Or banana-shaped. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1495.74 1498.3 So maybe there could be animal-based, you know. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1498.3 1499.83 Because a lot of people have a house cat. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1490.88 1495.74 One thing I was thinking though is I dunno if you all remember from our kickoff meeting, we talked about our favourite animals. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1499.83 1500.94 Or, or a dog. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1495.58 1496.76 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1501.46 1501.81 Mm. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1506.29 1507.33 But it's something to keep in mind. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1501.88 1506.29 Um, that might be getting, you know, too specific, and we should see what the success of the first face-plates are. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1508.72 1509.02 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1509.66 1511.58 And, did you have any questions? 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1516.95 1517.91 Pretty straightforward? 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1518.41 1519.34 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1518.48 1520.67 Yeah um 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1519.91 1520.2 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1523.49 1525.43 Alright, given that information, 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1526.29 1530.19 we need to start making some more specific decisions. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1531.97 1535.83 So I'll need to um hook up the PowerPoint again. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1538.31 1538.69 There you go. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1551.92 1558.18 Have you guys been saving your PowerPoint presentations to the okay. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1558.51 1559.14 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1559.14 1561.87 Uh, hopefully. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1561.87 1563.27 Project documents I think. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1554.52 1556.64 I didn't for the first one. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1556.64 1558.51 But I have now. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1559.09 1559.8 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1557.27 1559.09 But it's still around right? 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1559.98 1562.02 Where do you have to save it to? 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1563.56 1563.97 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1577.84 1578.77 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1581.08 1582.63 I'm just trying to make this pop up now. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1591.61 1591.82 Alright. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1591.82 1592.63 Here we go. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1599.27 1601.68 So energy, we oh. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1594.57 1599.27 Okay so we have to uh decide now exactly what we are going to do. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1599.46 1599.94 Okay. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1603.95 1604.07 'Kay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1603.99 1605.88 Oh no I can't write it in when it's in this setting. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1607.47 1609.88 Does anyone know how to take it out of 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1610.67 1612.86 Um, yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1611.55 1612.97 Just escape I think. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1611.66 1612.32 The PowerPoint? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1616.06 1616.9 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1616.9 1619.68 Um, so back to decisions. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1615.69 1616.06 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1619.68 1623.49 Energy, we've decided on kinetic, right? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1623.49 1624.9 Okay, so that's good. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1622.27 1624.47 Kinetic yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1624.47 1625.68 Are we going to have a backup? 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1622.62 1623.11 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1628.43 1629.65 Hmm. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1632.2 1633.65 Or do we just 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1633.58 1636.77 But would a backup really be necessary? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1638.4 1641.85 I mean will people just use the battery if there's no, if there's, 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1642.39 1647.95 I think maybe we could just go for the kinetic energy, and 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1642.99 1644.07 if there is backup. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1654.83 1657.24 I think no. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1654.09 1654.83 I think yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1649.36 1654.09 be bold and innovative, and hope this works, and well hope that it works. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1657.24 1662.83 I, I think we should just like take uh advantage of like using this to its full potential. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1662.83 1663.44 Go for it. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1651.23 1651.79 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1654.82 1656.8 There's like no reason why it wouldn't work, right? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1654 1654.82 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1657.18 1657.92 So 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1662.74 1664.83 It could even be one of our selling points. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1662.45 1662.74 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1664.39 1667.19 It could be fully kinetic energy. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1667.19 1667.58 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1664.59 1665.55 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1665.49 1667.05 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1667.05 1667.84 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1667.84 1669.57 Environmentally conscious or something. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1669.09 1670.28 Is everyone happy with that? 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1669.18 1672.73 So if it's not working they just have to shake it a bit and that revitalises it? 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1672.73 1673.08 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1671.94 1672.22 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1672.2 1673.29 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1672.8 1674.27 Hope so. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1675.32 1680.15 Alright, the next um decision is chip on print. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1680.15 1681.81 I don't exactly know what that means. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1685.97 1689.4 And that linked in with what buttons we would gonna have, so 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1682.04 1685.97 Um, it was whether we went for the simple, the regular, or the advanced chip. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1689.34 1691.66 Right, and we were going for more simplistic style, right? 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1691.6 1695.16 Yeah, it was so that was without the L. C. D. . 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1695.16 1697.17 So that means we're not doing the advanced. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1697.17 1701.41 So it depends on whether we wanted the scroll buttons or just the push buttons. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1692.91 1693.3 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1696.07 1696.9 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1701.57 1703.67 I think we decided on the pushbuttons, right? 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1703.59 1704.52 I don yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1703.29 1703.59 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1703.61 1704.88 Uh, so that's the simple. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1704.08 1704.54 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1705 1709.21 Would we need a more advanced one for uh the lighting, the interior lighting system? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1704.58 1705 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1710.1 1711.13 Yeah possibly. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1714.04 1715.64 So it's a medium. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1715.64 1717.51 So regular chip. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1711.13 1714.04 So, it's probably gonna be the regular chip that we're going to need. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1717.51 1718.61 Regular sorry. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1711.36 1711.81 Yeah? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1716.06 1717.82 That's called medium, or regular? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1714.43 1716.06 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1718.83 1719.61 'Kay. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1720.36 1722.79 Regular chip. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1721.89 1723 Oh, is regular not simple? 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1723.46 1724.42 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1724.42 1726.22 It's for the lighting, yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1723.94 1724.37 Lighting. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1724.37 1727.64 Yeah if we because of the lighting that we've decided to put in as well. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1727.15 1728.07 Right right right. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1728.84 1730.99 Okay, and cases. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1730.99 1735.43 Um, does this, is this dependent on shape, or what it's made of, or what? 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1731.44 1731.94 So th 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1736.13 1740.98 I think this is just like gonna be the a very outer case, which we will decide on rubber. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1741.07 1741.6 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1746.14 1748.9 Plastic with rubber 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1742.06 1742.7 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1742.7 1746.14 Well, I guess plastic and coated in rubber. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1745.64 1746.32 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1744.52 1745.64 Rubber. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1746.32 1748.09 Plastic rubber coat. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1745.13 1748.1 Yeah plastic coat. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1749.9 1753.29 coating and interchangeable 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1754.73 1755.7 Interchangeable, yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1756.85 1757.19 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1755.7 1756.85 Still going for that. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1754.76 1755.3 um 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1759.22 1759.97 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1756.41 1759.22 yeah, interchangeable plates. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1765.47 1767.02 User interface concept. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1768.18 1769.7 This is your time to shine. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1769.62 1772.83 We decided on the component. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1772.83 1775.09 I, I I'm sorry, I've lost my um 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1776.01 1780.89 PowerPoint thing, so I can't remember what it's ca it's the component 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1776.84 1778.26 Your screen? 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1778.72 1780.53 Think it was called command interface. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1780.06 1780.91 Was it 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1781.6 1782.32 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1780.89 1781.6 Oh, yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1782.1 1783.31 Command interface,. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1782.72 1783.88 The command inter 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1783.34 1784.59 Command interface. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1784.02 1784.43 Ouch. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1785.17 1787.33 The command line interface yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1787.35 1789.23 Did you say command line? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1789.23 1789.76 Okay. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1788.9 1789.93 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1791.94 1793.42 Line interface. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1796.57 1798.53 Alright, and supplements. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1799.62 1800.59 What's that all about? 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1801.02 1801.58 Um, 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1802.88 1807.36 I think that is well we haven't really made any decisions about 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1818.29 1823.05 You know how um different interfaces are very different,
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1814.47 1818.29 Like what what are ideas to combat these problems? 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1808.45 1814.47 what we're gonna do about the cluster of button functions, colours and forms, in the in consistent use. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1823.05 1830.69 and can be confusing because because of their difference, and because of the different clusters of buttons that they have. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1818.27 1819.27 Um 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1827.5 1827.86 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1831.66 1834.67 We haven't really decided what to do about that. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1836.37 1838.88 Um, what are our choices here? 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1839.3 1841.11 Well it's just um 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1843.32 1846.9 w where where shall we locate the buttons. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1846.9 1850.06 What kind of functions wi shall we have? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1851.08 1857.07 You mean like we'll have the numbers of the channels, and we'll have the channel-changer, and volume, and power? 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1853.94 1854.86 The power. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1855.68 1856.29 Volume. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1856.56 1856.81 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1858.82 1863.68 So pretty just just the basic button functions. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1859.04 1859.91 Um 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1861.77 1862.73 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1862.73 1868.94 Like I don't know if we should go into like adjusting light levels, things like that, because different televisions will have 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1869.53 1870.89 Tone, contrast, and things. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1868.76 1869.53 May yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1870.89 1872.7 That's a bit 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1869.89 1871.39 Um, yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1871.42 1872.79 That was on, um 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1877.49 1878.08 Do you remember that? 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1874.2 1876.27 one of my presentations. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1876.27 1877.49 About how often it was used. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1877.94 1880.6 Yeah, it was minima well, it wasn't the l 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1878.25 1878.53 Yep. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1879.47 1879.94 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1879.95 1882.02 Yeah, it was hardly ever used really. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1880.3 1881.6 I w 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1882.01 1883.57 Should I bring it up? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1884.56 1886.81 And most televisions will come with a remote. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1883.85 1884.56 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1884.26 1884.51 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1886.37 1891.71 Yeah, and surely that would be like quite specific to the individual television, so 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1884.51 1886.37 That would be good. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1889.5 1891.37 Yeah, each television. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1890.18 1890.8 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1894.6 1896.83 'Kay, well we know we want numbers. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1895.8 1897.3 The ch t 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1902.35 1904.54 So tw twice every once every two hours. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1898.76 1902.35 Screen settings was used um zero point five times an hour. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1905.3 1908.7 Um, and it was considered a one point five relevance, on a scale of ten. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1908.7 1911.39 That's brightness, colour, tone, all that. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1910.79 1913.46 Mm. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1913.46 1917.27 I think most of that comes like on the i individual television set itself, doesn't it? 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1917.27 1923.37 I'm sure it has its own buttons, so you don't necessarily need to have it on remote. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1913.03 1916.28 You don't change that often, yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1918 1918.37 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1918.21 1919.17 Yeah, it does. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1924.61 1928.1 Like we, I don't know if we can make a remote that would be universal to all the different kinds of 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1923.49 1924.61 Yeah, and different televisions. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1923.87 1924.4 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1927.72 1928.84 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1928.84 1934.78 So we're just going for power, channels, volume, 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1929.09 1930.15 changes like that. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1932.87 1933.69 Volume. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1951.01 1952.51 Um, relevance of two. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1935.04 1936.53 The other one was audio settings. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1943.44 1948.27 um and that, they say that's used zero point eight times an hour, which is actually somewhat high. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1948.27 1951.01 Like almost once an hour. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1939.54 1943.44 Some T. V. s will have the option of like living room style, movie style,
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1936.53 1937.91 Mono, stereo, pitch. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1937.91 1939.54 I mean I sometimes use that. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1942.58 1943.51 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1949 1950.23 Mm. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1950.65 1951.71 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1955.81 1956.11 Oh. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1956.11 1957.74 We have five minutes to finish our meeting. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1959.97 1962.12 Okay, um, let's do this fast. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1958.9 1959.97 Crap. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1962.12 1962.94 Um 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1962.66 1963.57 Well that didn't some up on mine. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1963.69 1964.5 Should we have audio? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1966.65 1968.41 It only comes up on mine usually. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1967.88 1973.82 It w it would seem silly if we'd having anything else, just have an audio button though. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1968.38 1968.51 Oh. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1974.63 1975.19 Do you know? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1975.11 1980.32 Yeah, I don't, I it's, it's a problem with the international uh appeal, I think. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1980.32 1985.45 Um, if we have audio because we don't know how other televisions work. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1985.45 1987.8 But we know that everyone has this and it's the same. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1985.44 1986.19 But we 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1990.9 1994.82 mm it is a good sales ploy to say, aren't you annoyed with remote controls that have all these buttons. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1988.86 1990.9 Yeah I guess that it affects the marketing, 'cause it,
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1994.82 1997.82 This one has channel, volume and your channe and your power. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1989.23 1989.64 I've 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1994.73 1995.42 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1996.92 2001.44 We can just go for, make it a selling point that it is just the basic. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 1995.77 1996.92 Yeah, that's it. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 2001.44 2004.79 Yeah uh I brilliant. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 1996.77 1998.61 That could be a sales pitch. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 1997.75 1998.2 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 1998.79 1999.15 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 2000.19 2002.01 Simple and 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2000.72 2001.18 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 2002.02 2002.47 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2002.6 2003.32 Alright. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 2003.08 2003.46 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2011.58 2012.34 Um, 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2004.19 2005.33 Good. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2008.57 2011.58 We'll be meeting again in thirty minutes. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2005.33 2008.57 And, okay, in closing, 'cause we only have five minutes. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2013.55 2017.2 you'll be working, Poppy will be working on the look-and-feel design. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2018.59 2019.61 Is that right? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2018.1 2018.59 Wait a minute. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 2019.54 2020.01 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2020.11 2024.73 Yep, and um the user interface design, so this is where the trendy stuff comes in. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2024.73 2027.19 And you'll be evaluating the product. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2028.4 2028.88 Um, 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2030.22 2034.46 Poppy and Tara will have to work together, using modelling clay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2035.04 2040.53 And, um, your personal coach will give you the rest of the information of what needs to happen. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 2040.17 2043.59 Okay. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 2066.91 2071.48 Um, so I suppose that'll come out in our dev design development. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 2071.48 2074.56 But you're happy to go ahead with the fruit and veg? 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 2058.88 2066.91 because even if that may not seem obvious to us, if that's what the surveys brought out, I think that we should probably go along with that. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 2043.59 2050.19 Um, I just have one question about the whole fruit and vegetable aspect. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 2050.19 2055.15 Are we seeing as that was the most popular thing that came up out of your market research 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 2055.15 2058.88 I thi I think we should keep to that rather than moving to animals or something,
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2041.14 2041.56 Alright. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2041.56 2043.81 So, anyone else have something to say? 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2045.52 2045.7 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2048.4 2049.05 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 2048.52 2048.84 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 2059.29 2059.62 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2059.84 2060.4 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2066.33 2067.01 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 2077.65 2079.5 Like f five different 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 2073.48 2077.65 Now do you guys need want an idea of how many uh are you gonna come up with casing ideas? 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 2078.03 2079.21 Y Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 2078.59 2079.16 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2079.25 2082.48 five. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 2079.83 2080.52 What I 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 2080.98 2083.37 What I was thinking what do yous think of this? 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 2083.37 2090.73 Um, having the numbers kind of like, not a bunch of grapes, but you know like purple and kind of in a triangle. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 2090.73 2091.05 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 2091.28 2092.61 Like grapes. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 2092.61 2095.76 Like that's kind of fruity or something. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 2095.76 2096.59 That's just 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 2092.39 2094.3 Yeah you can have some fun with the buttons, it's true. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2094.8 2095.23 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 2096.01 2096.48 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 2096.37 2099.27 We can have a look at those ideas, yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2098.44 2098.79 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 2101.76 2104.92 So it's a something that will, you know, appeal to the fifteen to twenty five year olds. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 2107.92 2110.72 Um, and international tastes as well, so 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 2104.92 2107.92 Something that your granny would want on her remote control. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 2098.52 2101.76 I guess what you i ideally you'd kind of think of age markets as well. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 2101.89 2102.28 Yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 2108.02 2108.33 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2108.6 2108.92 Yeah. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 2111.38 2114.08 Not easy. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 2115.06 2115.53 Hm. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 2112.31 2115.06 A lot of things to consider. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 2111.96 2112.31 Tricky. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2112.9 2113.46 Yeah. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 2114.78 2115.46 Yeah. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2114.85 2115.87 Lots of yeah. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 2117.22 2118.6 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2117.33 2117.85 Alright. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2126.31 2128.76 Bye. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2132.84 2134.36 Oh, what did I just do. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2122.34 2123.33 Alright. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2134.36 2135.81 Okay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2126.02 2126.31 'Kay. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2119.46 2122.34 'Kay we'll stick to the fruit and veggie theme then. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2123.33 2126.02 And, um, we'll reconvene in thirty minutes. 
ES2015c H00 FEE057 2128.76 2132.84 I'll see you later. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 2125.65 2127.07 Okay. 
ES2015c H01 FEE058 2127.07 2130.87 Thank you. 
ES2015c H02 FEE059 2125.78 2126.17 Okay. 
ES2015c H03 FEE060 2126.16 2126.67 Okay. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 58.83 60.04 Here we go. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 58.48 58.83 Okay. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 64.37 66.2 Alright, the agenda for thi oh. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 68.16 77.41 Um the agenda for this meeting is um we'll initially have the prototype presentation by our two designers. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 77.41 82.73 And then we will evaluate it, given the criteria that um that we gave 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 67.33 68.16 Alright. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 83.95 84.48 gave it. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 99.46 104.06 And um evaluate the product, as a group. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 84.48 90.03 And um talk about our finances, whether we were under or over our budget. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 90.03 99.46 I have a um a spreadsheet where we can calculate um our prices for every aspect of of what we've made, given our options. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 104.06 105.25 And um 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 103.54 104.11 Okay. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 108.89 111.33 Do you need the um PowerPoint for this? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 106.12 108.89 So first we'll have the prototype presentation. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 110.77 111.33 Um yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 111.33 113.87 I just got a few slides, so show them. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 112.83 113.26 Alright. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 115.09 115.85 Thank you. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 123.12 127.1 Um 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 123.36 125.25 Do you want to present it? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 131.35 133.53 It's a pretty simple design. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 133.53 136.85 It's um based on a mango? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 128.12 131.35 This is what we came up with. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 136.85 137.76 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 137.76 139.96 And we 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 128.38 129.53 Yeah, here we are. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 138.29 140.21 Mango shape. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 139.66 140.91 A mango. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 140.91 141.24 Okay. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 138.38 139.66 On? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 140.94 141.72 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 141.72 146.41 And we have the company logo here and this will be the 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 147.86 154.18 infrared here and this'll be the power point, the on off button kind yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 149.05 150.15 The L. E. D. . 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 153.05 153.16 Oh. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 153.16 153.8 Okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 154.69 155.84 What was the where's the L. E. D. ? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 154.47 154.69 I'm sorry. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 155.16 155.57 Oops. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 161.01 163.84 And uh we just have a simple design. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 156.19 158.47 It's in the middle of one of the little R. s. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 163.84 165.02 We wanted it all to be 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 158.47 161.01 And then the other one is the power. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 158.02 158.97 Okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 157.82 158.02 Oh. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 165.42 166.76 So it's palm-held. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 165.97 170.14 accessible from your thumb yeah palm-held and all the 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 168.44 168.94 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 169.46 169.76 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 171.42 173.32 buttons are accessible from your thumb. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 173.88 175.45 Notice you have a number ten button. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 174.02 174.72 So you don't have to 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 176.24 179.29 Oh that was a mistake, wasn't it? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 179.29 182.89 Right no, that's a zero. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 182.89 184.08 Take that one off. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 178.57 186.75 Okay. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 179.57 185.71 You just need the nought. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 185.44 187.34 Sorry. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 187.34 190.5 I was in charge of the numbers. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 188.62 191.27 No problem. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 191.27 191.64 Ah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 191.67 194.25 And this is just if you've got like eleven or twelve or 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 200.64 203.41 You press that first and then you go one three yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 195.42 198.02 thirt the plus. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 198.02 200.64 You can go one, three or something. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 197.36 199.46 So one plus one would be eleven, or 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 200.25 200.7 Oh. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 200.7 201.8 You press a plus button? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 204.37 205.82 I've never heard of that kind before. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 203.84 204.37 Oh okay. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 205.84 214.24 Well we just thought, we have all the numbers here, so we wanted something representative of numbers larger than ten and 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 230.53 236.84 So if you did like one plus two you could go to channel twelve, or two plus two is channel twenty two. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 214.2 224.76 Yeah because if you on your average um remote, if you press one twice you just go to um or uh say you wanted channel twelve,
ES2015d H01 FEE058 224.76 230.53 you press one, and then you go to channel one, and then two then you'd just go to channel two, instead of twelve. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 214.68 215.13 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 225.01 225.39 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 229.58 231.04 Oh, there's no e okay. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 230.82 233.4 So the plus and then yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 230.95 231.88 Oh. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 233.81 233.93 I 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 233.85 234.45 Okay. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 234.96 235.67 But 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 236.56 239.56 Would you have to go zero plus one if you wanted to go to channel one or two? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 239.31 241.81 No no, th all that's why we have all these numbers. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 241.81 243.11 These numbers um 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 245.43 250.21 these numbers all work independently up to nine. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 249.19 253.56 Yeah but I mean if you press, it'll go to that channel right away. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 253.56 255.57 'Cause you gotta press the plus afterwards. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 253.2 253.65 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 256.54 260.52 Uh, the plus is only for if you're going past the number nine. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 256.08 256.54 Oh no. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 260.75 265.87 Yeah I know, but if if I wanna go to say number like sixty five, channel sixty five 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 265.87 269.08 if I press the six it'll go to channel six,
ES2015d H00 FEE057 269.08 272.99 and then I'll press the plus, and then it'll go to six and then put the five and it'll go to sixty five? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 263.88 264.58 Sixty. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 266.04 266.48 You p 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 269.37 269.67 Oh. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 274.11 279.88 I I well it doesn't we haven't really s I would've thought you pressed the plus first and then the six five 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 272.24 274.11 No you press the plus first. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 279.88 285.36 but she says plus press which what do you think is simpler? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 285.36 286.48 It's a 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 274.19 274.68 Oh. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 281.22 283.87 Well I don't mind, we can further define that. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 283.68 284.19 I th 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 285.51 286.16 Um 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 286.41 291.93 I wouldn't have thought it'd be a problem that it went to channel six first, in like on the way to channel sixty five. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 289.36 289.94 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 291.51 292.89 Yeah it wouldn't be a problem. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 292.89 296.39 But I was just wondering like as long as we realise that's what it'll do. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 292.61 293.27 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 292.91 295.06 But I suppose it's not as snappy. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 298.07 300.83 Where you can have it it's like a five second input time. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 300.83 302.2 So as long as you hit them dada 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 294.5 298.07 Well the there is a there's a delay on remotes I think. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 296.67 296.83 Oops. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 298.29 299.13 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 299.01 300.08 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 300.77 301.73 If you don't put it 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 300.08 300.77 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 303.2 304.45 Yeah, that yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 302.7 303.2 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 302.92 303.27 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 305.92 308.35 As long as there's not a big pause between the t hitting the two buttons. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 304.2 305.92 it should be fine. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 305.44 306 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 308.27 308.63 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 310.23 310.58 So 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 308.87 310.23 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 311.17 312.2 Um 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 312.29 315.26 Was there so on the top there is volume and 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 315.33 321.66 And channel, which is so you could just go like that without thinking about it, like 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 315.75 316.37 A channel. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 317.52 318.08 Okay cool. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 316.67 317.52 Channel up volume up. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 318.45 319.22 C. and V. . 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 318.52 320.45 Just so we can flick 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 320.76 323.26 Right, where um where's the power button? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 320.94 321.23 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 323.47 327.33 It's in the middle of one of the little R. s. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 323.97 325.35 It's the bigger R. . 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 324.05 324.55 It's the R. . 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 325.89 326.74 Oh okay. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 329.88 330.33 We deci 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 326.72 329.88 So it's just like. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 330.75 333.47 Without m taking your hand off the remote. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 328.47 330.75 Yeah, so it's all accessible. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 328.99 329.29 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 333.56 333.95 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 333.79 346.67 Yeah um we went for like a a circular design for the numbers because we thought that's kind of a more natural movement than just going like that with your thumb. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 346.67 348.89 Uh e ergonomics are all considered. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 348.89 349.87 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 334.28 334.76 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 346.08 346.67 Oh okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 346.9 347.14 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 347.31 348.22 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 348.22 350.12 Ergonomic, definitely ergonomic. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 355.09 357.88 Okay. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 348.14 355.09 And it might actually help with the repetitive stress injury as well. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 353.76 356.3 It could cause another type of repetitive stress injury though. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 365 369.45 which is representing the, you know, the rubber, and the spongy rubberness. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 383.88 385.07 Would you like to feel it yourselves? 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 385.07 386.97 How it fits in the palm of your hand? 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 381.61 383.88 and it just feels feels different. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 369.45 381.61 Um 'cause it was said before in the material specification that this the this anti-R. S. I. um material is often used in stress balls so this has got a you know a bit of give to it 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 356.3 360.89 But yeah, no I mean it's a different movement so yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 360.89 365 Um and the feel of it, I mean, we've made this out of Play Doh,
ES2015d H02 FEE059 359.17 359.97 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 366.72 368.04 The spon yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 367.68 369.4 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 381.6 382.27 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 382.45 383.6 Bit of a stress ball feel. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 381.96 382.45 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 383.55 400.1 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 385.71 386.25 I would. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 384.91 385.71 Yes. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 387.17 389.17 My goodness. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 392.25 393.03 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 391.71 392.25 Genevieve? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 389.17 391.71 There you go. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 388.4 391.2 Thanks. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 391.2 393.3 And you? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 393.81 395.84 Oh I think I killed the five. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 391.6 393.26 Yes. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 395.84 396.23 I did. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 393.26 393.81 Oh it's nice. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 396.23 397.44 I killed the four. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 397.44 399.4 Oh god. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 396.44 399.02 And something hmm. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 397.99 398.06 O 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 405.75 411.19 But we're thinking that, seeing as we're having it in interchangeable casing anyway 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 417.56 418.54 Or the combination. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 411.19 417.56 that this is not necessarily a representation of the true colours that we would necessarily use. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 399.4 405.75 Okay, as for the colours, we were presented with um a limited range of colours for this prototype. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 402.94 405.01 Oh it smells good. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 403.14 405.63 Of Play Doh yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 418.92 422.5 Um and we're thinking to carry-on with the fruit and vegetable theme,
ES2015d H01 FEE058 430.63 440.8 watermelon red and green, or vanilla might be the most popular if it just uh blends in more settled cream instead of the others are all a bit garish. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 422.5 430.63 the colour um combination just could just be named after different fruit, like banana could be black and yellow,
ES2015d H00 FEE057 428.74 429.83 Oh right. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 435.54 437.95 'Cause it'd be quite subtle and 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 439.13 439.91 It looks more 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 438.58 439.13 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 441.2 443.17 Think like vanilla and banana would. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 443.43 448.58 Banana's more representative of our colour scheme, like the company the yellow and black. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 448.29 449.3 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 448.75 449.69 Okay yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 449.54 453.29 So that for corporate identity that would probably be the most strength. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 453.29 458.4 I mean watermelon, you know, m probably appealing to the yeah, seasonal. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 456.03 457.52 Kinda Christmas, you know. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 457.34 459.29 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 459.62 463.69 Apple green, brown, more kinda trendy, you know, khaki 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 462.4 462.78 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 464.56 478.19 The pomegranate's kinda girly and funky kind of, and then the vanilla's more for the more sophisticated customer who just wants something that fits in with all decor. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 469.05 469.92 Cool. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 473.87 474.41 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 489.75 494.99 I mean you don't need to use both hands, one hand to hold this and type in with the other, you can just use your thumb. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 480.19 489.75 Um yeah we thought of the components it was definitely um a focus of ergonomics and just a single ha handheld device,
ES2015d H01 FEE058 479.02 480.19 Okay. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 495.16 495.62 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 496.2 502.33 Um, as we said the rubber's probably used for comfort and anti-R. S. I. and that's about it. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 502.55 504.47 Alright, thank you very much. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 504.47 506.02 Good work everyone. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 504.49 508.11 Bravo 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 519.65 521.53 So, I have 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 509.8 519.65 And so now that we've we have a prototype, uh we need to go over the finances and seeing if this prototype matches uh what our budget can handle. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 508.2 509.8 Alright. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 518.92 519.42 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 522.76 524.11 something I'm going to 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 525.98 526.8 You want the 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 526.64 528.36 Do you need to do a presentation first? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 526.29 526.64 Oh wait a minute. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 530.98 531.77 I have one. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 529.02 530.98 I don't know what order it goes in. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 530.97 532.58 I'm gonna check that out for a second. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 530.67 530.97 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 532.42 533.09 Mm go 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 534.23 534.94 What time is it anyw 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 537.21 539.87 Evaluation criteria is next in line. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 539.87 540.41 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 536.13 537.21 Oh yeah sorry you're right. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 538.26 538.99 That's me. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 536.9 538.26 Evaluation cri Okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 545.82 546.19 Hello. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 548.42 550.11 Oh there we go. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 571.66 572.02 Come on. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 568.82 570.35 Okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 570.35 571.66 Come on my computer. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 578.55 579.4 Should I press it again? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 575.21 578.55 Sorry my computer's giving me technical difficulties. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 578.21 579.94 Just press um function eight again. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 580.27 581.23 Last time I did that it sh 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 584.61 584.96 Okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 584.96 585.91 You're right. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 586.33 587.52 And then again I think. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 588.85 589.5 One more time. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 589.47 589.89 Oh. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 589.89 590.9 Still not there. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 590.62 590.91 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 596.15 596.52 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 602.05 608.78 Okay now I think for this one I could Would you guys prefer use the whiteboard or mayb maybe I'll just do it on right on the screen where you can see it. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 608.78 612.49 Um, we're gonna be doing an evaluation report together based on the protoptype that we've just seen. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 613.04 618.59 Um and looking looking back at my notes from our both our conceptual and our functional meetings,
ES2015d H03 FEE060 618.59 624.65 um I made a list of what our original requirements and goals were, um, back to our kick-off meeting this morning. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 624.65 628.67 Um, and we'll evaluate as to whether we've s done what we set out to do. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 629.4 634.63 Um and we're gonna do it on a one to seven scale where one is true and seven is false. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 634.63 636.84 So basically the lower p the lower the points the better. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 646.91 649.53 I can't change it so I'm g I'm gonna ask you to push it down once. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 643.05 644.1 Does the remote whoops. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 639.5 643.05 Okay so question number one. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 645.34 646.91 Oh I'm not gonna be able um, I'll do it on the whiteboard. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 644.1 645.34 Sorry. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 650.8 651.54 Okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 651.14 653 I'll write down our scores up on the 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 656.44 656.74 Ooh. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 657.21 658.58 Okay so number one. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 658.58 660.85 Do we have a fancy look-and-feel? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 663.22 663.73 Mm. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 665.22 669.47 We've been quite successful with the rubber coating and 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 663.52 665.22 Feel I think. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 666.79 667.18 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 670 672.01 The look is a little bit more playful. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 670.08 670.53 Well 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 672.59 673.42 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 673.04 673.93 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 673.39 676.42 Yeah I guess that depends on your definition of fancy, but it's definitely different. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 676.42 678.54 It's not your traditional yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 676.66 678.34 Oh definitely different yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 700.45 701.16 Um 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 680.44 682.45 I think the colour has a lot to do with it. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 682.45 691.46 I mean th the colours we were given for making the prototype aren't the colours that I think we would've necessarily chosen. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 691.46 700.45 It's not the kind of ooh uh at all sleek red, black and yellow, and orange. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 682.92 683.57 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 690.79 691.54 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 694.32 696.06 Oh you were only given red and black? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 697.79 698.42 Oh okay. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 705.67 708.91 So we want it to be stand out that way, anyway. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 698.05 705.67 Yeah so not very sleek and we don't wanna go for black because most remote controls are black or grey. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 704.48 704.76 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 706.32 706.77 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 709.5 720.2 But if you can imagine that in like a s just a maybe uh a kind of pale metallic-y finish or something 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 709.84 710.35 Okay. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 718.62 719.46 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 719.46 721.37 A metallic-y finish we were thinking. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 720.2 720.46 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 720.61 722.48 Well I know know it's for rubber. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 722.48 729.36 I mean diff if you can visualise this in nice colours I think it would look quite fancy. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 721.59 722.14 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 723.55 724.81 Okay 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 722.24 723.55 Polished. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 727.43 728.02 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 732.86 736.09 Oh sorry the mango the mango look. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 728.67 730.58 I kinda I like the potato look. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 727.98 728.67 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 736.09 738.19 Yeah it is, fruit or vegetable depends on your mood. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 730.58 731.89 It's very different. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 731.89 732.86 It's what? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 728.46 728.9 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 730.21 733.04 Oh well, potato, mango, fruit and veg. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 730.22 739.67 We we were we were thinking about yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 730.54 732.58 It's mango. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 732.58 734.31 It's mango. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 736.56 737.25 Potato's fine. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 733.96 736.56 Potato's fine. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 738.59 739.42 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 739.42 740.18 Totally. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 740.18 741.45 It's really adaptable. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 740.29 742.36 So I myself would say a one or a two. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 744.38 745.16 Personally. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 742.86 743.46 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 743.46 744.38 I would say two. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 744.51 746.42 I w I'd say two I think. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 744.65 745.01 It's a two? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 746.6 747.63 Okay, and p 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 746.67 747.26 For the 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 747.66 748.87 Fanciness. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 748.21 749.28 fancy 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 748.59 749.3 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 750.29 751.06 So 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 748.76 750.29 One being true. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 751.83 754.57 I uh two, three. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 758.49 764.59 Okay so question number two was is it techn technologically innovative? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 753.03 753.4 Two. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 753.4 758.49 Okay, actu that's pro that's gonna get confusing, like that. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 764.59 767.6 So I know we have the kinetic energy which is very innovative. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 753.57 754.27 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 767.61 768.44 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 768.06 769.76 Yeah and the use of the rubber. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 770.11 773.11 Use of the rubber, the use of the L. E. D. . 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 770.71 771.36 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 770.86 772.39 For the anti-R. S. I. . 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 772.4 772.92 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 773.91 780.99 The L. E. D. use isn't particularly innovative and we don't have any scroll buttons, it's all pushbuttons,
ES2015d H01 FEE058 780.99 787.78 there's no L. C. D. control, so if we're thinking about the rest of the market, it's sort of probably halfway. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 787.78 791.06 In some aspects it is, like we said. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 775.88 776.47 Isn't 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 777.35 777.9 Mm. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 783.79 784.16 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 785.08 785.59 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 790.37 791.91 I'd say maybe three. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 790.08 790.37 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 791.43 793.56 I'll go for three as well. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 793.08 797.48 And I think I mean it it's tough to say because we were we didn't want it to be any more innovative than this 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 800.26 803.85 So I mean I we'll put three, but I think we actually reached our goal. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 797.48 800.26 because then that would've defeated the purpose. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 791.87 793.08 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 798.22 799.88 Though it was our specification. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 797.95 798.22 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 797.95 799.28 No. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 799.28 800.74 Wouldn't be simple, yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 798 799.11 Yeah we want it simple. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 804.01 804.7 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 804.22 804.72 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 804.73 806.5 We didn't want it any more than that. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 806.5 808.08 Okay question number three. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 808.08 809.61 Uh, will it be easy to use? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 811.19 811.83 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 810.16 811.19 I think so. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 810.72 811.5 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 811.5 811.87 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 815.43 816.48 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 816.48 817.43 No. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 810.93 812.4 Yeah very. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 812.4 815.43 I think one for that. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 812.47 812.68 S 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 812.07 812.47 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 811.08 812.07 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 813.97 816.75 Yeah I think it's you can't really get confused with that. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 820.85 823.27 But once that's figured out, it should be fine. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 816.75 820.85 I mean, there'll be s we have to work out the uh number the plus system. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 814.56 815 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 815 815.72 One. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 814.91 815.35 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 816.98 817.1 Th 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 819.61 821.24 The plus number thing. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 820.55 822.89 Yeah that's the only thing yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 822.07 824.44 Yeah and perhaps the turning on but 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 826.53 830.15 Remember that seventy five percent of users find most remote controls ugly. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 825.11 826.53 Is this a good-looking remote? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 824.53 825.11 Number four. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 825.93 826.84 Mm. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 830.3 832.19 It's definitely 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 831.06 832.89 Again I think the colour comes into this. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 832.93 834.9 Yeah colour will definitely be a factor. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 834.94 835.77 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 836.17 838.37 I think that the logo could be smaller. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 838.67 839.14 Okay. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 839.02 839.6 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 842.53 844.31 Maybe like at the bottom, kind of. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 839.47 842.53 And maybe not such a prominent way. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 842.17 843.37 But the 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 844.5 848.12 Remember the management said that it it had to be prominent. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 844.59 845.43 Not in 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 848.6 848.99 Whoops. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 848.85 850.56 Oh it just had to be on there I guess. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 857.41 859.29 I was just wondering if it should be like flatter. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 850.02 853.5 Should just not touch it. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 853.5 857.41 This time it's the three I killed. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 850.16 857.36 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 851.34 857.12 Don't worry. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 860.67 861.27 Or 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 861.7 863.07 I suppose I've got quite big hands. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 862.58 866.81 I like the appeal of it being like a big glob in your hand. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 863.08 863.68 Well 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 869.07 871.23 What where's it gonna sit in your living room? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 866.2 867.12 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 871.23 874.23 Is it not gonna fall off the arm of the sofa? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 867.12 869.07 But you know what I've just thought of there now. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 872.83 876.68 Maybe if the bottom was just sort of flat, and then the rest is like 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 874.69 877.55 Yeah the bottom could be like ch chopped a bit. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 877.47 880.86 But then it wouldn't sit as comfortably in your hand. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 876.01 877.47 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 877.83 878.29 round. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 879.88 880.18 Oh. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 880.18 881.18 That's true. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 880.87 882.86 It would still be comfortable I think. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 882.86 884.84 We c we could handle it I think. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 882.36 885.74 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 882.54 885.73 Thing is like that, it's not going anywhere particularly. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 882.9 889.06 Maybe, it could it could be on the bottom, so you wouldn't loo like if it's flat here, so it sits up. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 889.06 889.84 Like that. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 888.87 889.09 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 889.69 891.39 Oh that would be nice. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 892.46 893.19 It'd be annoying. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 891.03 892.46 Ah it'd fall over all the time though. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 892.75 895.72 Uh yeah, it's less um, what's th ha. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 893.29 894.4 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 893.32 893.4 I g 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 894.8 897.9 If it's weighted maybe. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 900.44 903.35 So, is this a good-looking remote? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 899.88 900.44 Okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 897.9 899.88 Details, details. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 903.35 905.22 Would we wanna show it off to our friends? 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 897.46 899.75 H it's got higher centre of gravity like that. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 900.13 900.47 Come on. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 897.49 900.13 'Kay we're done designing. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 905.65 909.81 You would though, 'cause it's bit it's more interesting than other remotes. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 904.07 905.65 Three. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 908.67 909.41 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 913.87 914.93 I think maybe a two. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 909.33 913.87 I think, it was another colour and it was like I think it'd look okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 914.42 914.77 Yeah? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 916.34 918.4 I mean I gue yeah, it's personal taste, but 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 916.78 924.73 I would definitely go for that rather than like your average plain old remote like that, but definitely in another colour, I'm not happy with those colours. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 919.68 919.99 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 919.92 920.71 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 925.1 928.36 Okay, so should we say two for that? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 928.36 928.57 Yeah? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 927.74 928.4 Sure. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 928.3 928.89 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 929.09 929.7 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 936.88 940.81 Remember that eighty percent of users were willing to spend more money when a remote control looked fancy. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 929.52 930.94 Okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 932.83 936.88 What's um will people be willing to spend twenty five Euros on this product? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 930.94 932.83 Uh, question number five. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 941.52 945.99 I think we have to market it in the right way, that um to say that it is simplistic. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 945.99 952.12 So people don't just see it and think, uh, this is so simplistic, I don't want to spend twenty five Euros. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 952.12 953.43 We have to market it. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 943.77 944.2 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 944.14 944.76 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 950.64 951.12 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 952.8 954.65 Yeah it the marketing will have a lot to do with it. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 954.15 961.42 And the kinetic energy, shaker-style-y, whoo, ooh no. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 953.15 954.15 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 962.72 966.78 Don't shake 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 955.06 956.77 And the kinetic energy part. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 956.77 962.72 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 957.77 958.37 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 959.61 967.54 Shake it and the buttons fall off. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 959.79 965.74 Durable. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 962.47 967.75 But you know, those'll be firmly on. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 967.84 969.91 Oh no the plus. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 972.26 973 Make a new one. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 969.91 972.26 You're use the zero. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 969.91 976.95 No, I guess, I don't know much about the remote control industry, how much your average sells for, but I know I am, aren't I? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 974.73 977.54 But you're our Marketing Expert. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 982.99 983.45 Fifteen? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 981.45 982.99 About ten pounds. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 976.72 981.45 I think they're about ten po ten pound, aren't they? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 984.13 986.11 So in the long term this can actually save you money. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 986.11 987.37 So we'll market it that way too. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 982.78 984.13 But you don't have to buy batteries. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 985.39 985.93 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 985.41 986.66 Mm, yeah, that's true. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 985.91 986.91 Oh. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 986.91 988.6 Exactly. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 988.6 989.18 Exactly. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 989.34 990.45 Good point. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 988.19 989.34 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 989.09 994.25 So yeah I think with a good marketing scheme um and the personalisation options, it'll 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 994.29 995.59 I would give it a two still though. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 993.94 994.29 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 995.07 995.47 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 995.47 996.49 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 998.01 999.03 Can someone read it out? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 999.03 999.65 Or 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 996.56 998.01 Okay number six. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 995.77 996.56 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 995.89 996.22 Mm. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 998.89 1003.95 Does this prototype match the operating behaviour of the average user. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1004.45 1004.96 Mm. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1004.64 1005.26 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1004.99 1005.83 Um yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1005.83 1009.41 So that was mainly that the statistics we said 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1006.54 1007.06 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1006.97 1009.38 I think it does very well. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1007.64 1008.39 Oh yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1017.14 1019.24 You don't have to look down to find them. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1022.8 1023.19 Simple. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1014.9 1017.14 And it's just you won't have to think about it. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1019.24 1022.8 They're clearly there, easy to use. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1008.2 1014.9 Because yeah, because the most accessible buttons are the volume and the and the channel-changing. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1013.86 1015.43 The zap yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1014.82 1015.38 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1014.94 1015.32 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1022.21 1022.68 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1031.4 1033.14 Okay so one? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1028.26 1030.64 But they're not you and I really. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1034.19 1035.29 Number seven. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1037.25 1039.8 Will this remote control be easy to find when lost? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1042.15 1046.11 Now is there the is the alarm system still was it implemented? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1033.14 1034.19 Okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1030.64 1031.4 So. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1022.55 1028.26 Yeah I guess the I think the key word there is average, 'cause there were some people that used the uh video input and sound and stuff. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1039.8 1042.15 Remember that fifty percent of users lose their remote regularly. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1035.29 1037.25 C Heather could you push it down? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1022.95 1023.51 Uh 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1029.51 1029.9 Mm. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1027.92 1029.51 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1030.74 1031.11 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1032.42 1033.2 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1032.43 1033.02 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1042.33 1043.68 We have the alarm system. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1045.45 1053.98 Yeah the bu when you press the alarm system, the lights behind the and it'll vibra 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1047.19 1047.68 It 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1051.83 1060.99 But I mean it's not obviously obvious from the outside that that's gonna happen 'cause you can't s particularly see an alarm. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1049.94 1051.83 Yeah l lights on and, or flash as well. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1058.09 1059.94 It'll be again in the marketing. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1060.06 1062.03 I thought the light from the inside was gonna light up. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1061.39 1061.92 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1061.92 1063.11 The light it will. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1063.99 1065.71 Or or was it gonna make a noise? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1064.16 1065.1 But 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1066.54 1067.63 If you 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1064.33 1064.59 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1064.59 1066.54 But when the alarm's not yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1066.3 1067.93 But both 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1067.29 1068.91 You press the button it makes a noise right? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1068.48 1072.78 It turns into a duck and starts quacking. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1072.78 1075.27 Here I am. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1075.27 1076.28 Um 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1068.98 1069.65 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1069.6 1070.23 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1071.42 1072.89 You could s Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1074.54 1077.01 I'd be tempted to 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1072.04 1074.54 Oh, that would be brilliant. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1072.28 1073.08 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1073.83 1074.54 Awesome. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1073.08 1073.83 Awesome. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1078.68 1081.89 when it when it lights up as we I mean it could light up when the alarm went. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1075.22 1078.68 Well the thing is, if it was had an alarm system, I mean 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1081.89 1085.61 But if it was hidden underneath the cushion or something, there wouldn't be any point. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1085.61 1089.1 So you can't see the alarm, but it would light up. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1081.44 1081.91 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1088.85 1090.23 It would have to be in the market 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1089.77 1091.3 I though w it was gonna make a noise. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1090.08 1090.75 Okay. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1091.85 1092.33 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1092.33 1097.42 Alarm, but you can't see an alarm inside uh the alarm system itself. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1091.94 1093.86 Yeah but you still couldn't see it. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1095.2 1097.91 It would just be a little speaker on the back or something. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1097.84 1098.38 Okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1101.18 1102.93 So we can we could say that 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1098.64 1100.46 We oh you're just explaining why it's not on the prototype. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1100.46 1101.18 But yeah, it'll be there. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1100.86 1101.5 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1103.07 1103.68 Sorry. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1100.31 1100.86 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1101.5 1103.07 It w yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1101.46 1102.5 Oh okay. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1102.5 1102.58 Whoo. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1102.58 1103.32 Okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1109.05 1109.71 Um 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1103.65 1108.24 We can give it a one, because compared to every other remote ever m ever made, this one will be easier to find. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1108.24 1109.05 Okay. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1107.83 1109.46 Yeah, totally. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1108.2 1109.78 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1109.78 1110.52 Sorry Heather. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1110.52 1112.06 That wasn't very clear. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1110.78 1111.94 No problem, mm. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1113.38 1115.47 Will it be easy to learn how to use this remote when brand new? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1118.16 1122.14 So it has to be yeah, it's eas they'll pick it up and they'll know what to do. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1115.47 1118.16 Remember that thirty four percent of users usually found it difficult. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1111.52 1113.38 Question number eight. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1122.14 1123.51 The plus thing needs to be worked on. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1118.2 1118.99 Totally. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1120.34 1127.4 So the plu the plus w once that's written down on the page that'll be really simple, won't it? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1125.58 1125.97 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1126.55 1136 Yeah I think just because it's we've decided to reduce it down to the basic buttons, I think that in itself makes it so much easier to use. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1127.05 1127.34 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1129.8 1130.54 Well 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1132.8 1133.73 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1132.95 1133.43 Do 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1137.83 1140.33 So then you would have to push two buttons every time at least. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1134.63 1137.83 Does it make more sense for the middle one to be an just an enter button? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1140.55 1144.6 Yeah, so it's just like channel six, six, enter. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1142.9 1148.42 That kind of annoys me though, when it's zero six when you have to press I don't know why. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1145.08 1146.18 Mm. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1147.52 1149.08 Yeah but you don't have to press zeros. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1148.61 1152.89 You could just press six enter, or one two enter. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1152.89 1153.51 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1151.13 1151.44 Right. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1150.08 1151.13 Oh okay. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1150.63 1153.2 And or sixty six enter, y 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1150.73 1152.42 And then like twelve, enter. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1152.45 1153.82 Alright, aye. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1153.67 1154.53 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1155.93 1156.32 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1156.32 1158.02 Good 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1153.79 1155.93 Yeah I think that's probably more straightforward. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1157.33 1158.18 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1164.03 1164.45 Okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1158.31 1164.03 Um, okay so we can we'll say yes it's uh one? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1161.35 1163.2 I'd say w yeah one. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1163.2 1163.59 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1163.47 1163.98 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1164.97 1165.54 Ooh. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1165.54 1166 Mm. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1173.93 1176.32 Um, which affected over a quarter of users. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1167.1 1168.28 Question number nine. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1168.28 1173.93 Uh, will it minimise the effects of R. S. I., which was repeated strain injury? 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1167.75 1168.03 Oh. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1172.56 1173.11 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1172.63 1173.34 Injury. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1177.09 1178.76 Hmm. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1177.89 1178.03 S 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1178.45 1178.86 I think so. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1178.86 1179.92 It's like right in the 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1180.67 1183.65 But if you're zapping yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1183.65 1185.38 I don't think it will f 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1181.25 1183.82 Your thumb might get a little bit uh 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1182.55 1184.85 Yeah, that's what I was thinking. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1184.85 1189.79 We may have to do some more research into other strain injuries that we don't know about. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1186.77 1190.01 Yeah, the biology. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1187.99 1188.48 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1189.75 1190.83 But it is soft. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1190.97 1191.97 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1191.41 1192.85 It's soft, and 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1192.09 1194.86 And that's kind of what the um 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1192.69 1193.54 Mm. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1194.91 1195.09 Mm. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1196.33 1197.58 And people could 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1196.48 1203.5 the PowerPoint slide thing said would be good for R. S. I., so maybe it is but 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1199.97 1200.41 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1200.33 1201.03 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1200.34 1200.67 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1201.95 1204.05 I don't know what other options there are. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1202.79 1205.54 I think we're getting that's true. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1204.53 1204.9 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1209.52 1211.72 But there's not really any other options unless it's like a keyboard. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1211.72 1214.78 So, I think we did as as much as you can with a remote control. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1205.57 1209.52 Could I mean, you could hold it in your left hand and d use your index finger. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1209.56 1209.81 Mm. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1211.85 1212.64 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1212.15 1212.54 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1214.89 1215.25 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1216.44 1219.02 So, one or two do you think? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1221.71 1222.48 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1219.43 1221.71 I I'd say t two. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1219.61 1221.58 I think yeah, I think too. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1223.88 1225.18 Okay number ten. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1221.9 1223.88 Two okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1225.18 1228.06 Did we somehow incorporate the company colour and logo? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1228.06 1230.91 Now is the colour gonna be there even if it's like vanilla? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1230.91 1231.92 Is the yellow 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1222.32 1222.56 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1227.31 1228.08 Yes we did. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1227.96 1228.66 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1240.44 1243.44 So n it's not always gonna be the same colour. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1238.64 1240.44 It won't stand out. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1230.53 1238.64 N We we can't really do that because for example on the banana theme we can't have it as being yellow. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1238.45 1238.83 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1243.25 1245.09 It sounds like the colour's something that we 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1244.61 1247.77 Well, yeah the colours are yellow and grey. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1247.77 1249.63 So it could be grey on the banana one. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1245.08 1245.6 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1247.16 1248.33 Gray, yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1249.52 1250.83 Yeah, could be grey. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1250.98 1251.28 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1252.26 1255.93 But I mean the yell yeah d yellow's ugly though, depending on the 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1255.4 1257.32 Yeah that's right, we didn't even rea 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1256.66 1261.3 So I think we'll have to talk to our executive managers, and see if we can get away with just the R. R. . 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1259.15 1259.74 Mm. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1261.08 1261.54 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1261.54 1262.8 I think this is the 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1261.43 1262.27 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1264.29 1270.38 the factor that we've been least successful in confronting. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1267.45 1267.81 Okay. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1268.57 1275.73 Perhaps a metallic or or like that's grey, and it wouldn't be that expensive to have a little bit of metal. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1275.73 1275.92 No? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1269.57 1269.99 Mm, yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1277.32 1278.59 And the buttons in the middle. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1276.53 1277.32 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1277.25 1278.57 That isn't rubber. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1284.68 1285.58 Three, four? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1282.48 1284.68 So, do you think that's more of a three then? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1281.58 1282.48 Okay. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1281.79 1282.1 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1286.71 1287.79 Four I think. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1287.79 1289.81 Well I don't what do what 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1287.43 1288.06 Four? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1289.54 1291.91 Well we have good reasons for it, so we but we can still put a 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1289.93 1290.33 Hum. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1293.77 1294.15 a four? 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1294.39 1294.88 Okay. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1295.01 1295.83 Okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1295.65 1298.08 Okay, and final question. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1298.08 1302.19 Um, did we stay true to our motto and put the fashion into electronics? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1302.19 1305.64 Current trends of fruits and veggies, desire for sponginess. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1306.24 1307.52 I would say so. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1307.31 1309.8 Following that briefing we did. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1308.92 1314.09 But maybe more like two 'cause there's no like pictures of fruit, it's just sort of naming it by a fruit. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1314.07 1315.01 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1314.41 1315.07 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1315.07 1317.29 Like um the colour scheme names and stuff. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1314.52 1314.92 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1315 1316.34 With the with the colours. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1316.74 1317.24 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1319.16 1320.68 I think I missed a few they are? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1317.47 1319.16 No, uh, are the plates interchangeable? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1320.68 1323.59 So you can have banana and kiwi and okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1323.59 1328.99 Okay, so that's something that's kind of in the making too, like maybe it'll become more 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1319.52 1320.35 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1319.98 1320.74 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1320.27 1320.66 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1322.37 1323.91 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1322.69 1323.24 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1323.24 1323.77 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1322.72 1323.23 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1329.77 1332.97 That's fashionable in itself to have interchangeable plates. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1333.03 1333.44 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1333.7 1334.3 It is. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1340.57 1342.56 Well we haven't got a big banana but 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1337.98 1340.57 Well that was our brief and we followed the brief. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1335.12 1337.98 I think w yeah, I think one. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1340.95 1349.57 The thing is, I think if somebody saw that and you said what was that inspired from, I don't know if you'd instantly say mango. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1343.74 1345.39 Oh yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1345.69 1346.19 Be like 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1346.76 1347.33 No. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1348.51 1351.26 No. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1349.86 1350.43 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1351.67 1356.89 Maybe if it was scented. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1358.09 1358.93 Um 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1356.89 1358.09 Yeah we have money for that. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1353.1 1357.8 Oh that would be class. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1355.69 1356.34 There we go. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1354.14 1355.69 Oh yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1356.34 1357.13 That would be great. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1359.68 1360.52 Um 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1360.15 1364.61 Alright so based on this evaluation, do we average them out sorta thing? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1364.74 1366.17 So I wh what was I gonna put for that? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1366.17 1367.28 A two for fashion? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1364.12 1364.74 Yes we do. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1366.51 1366.89 Oh. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1368.45 1369.03 I would say two. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1369.63 1369.96 Two. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1369.24 1369.63 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1369.84 1370.68 Okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1370.5 1375.53 Okay, so our average there, five, six, eight, ten, eleven,
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1375.53 1380.88 twelve, thirteen, fifteen, nineteen, twenty one, divided by eleven 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1381.74 1382.18 It's 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1382.13 1383.2 is 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1382.19 1385.4 One point nine or something? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1386.52 1388.95 Um, between one and two. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1385.4 1386.52 I don't know these things. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1382.6 1383.21 It's 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1384.84 1385.72 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1386.36 1387.36 Between one and two. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1388.77 1390.76 Between okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1390.76 1391.51 Um. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1390.06 1392.12 So that's pretty fantastic. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1392.54 1393.2 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1390.34 1392.54 Close to two. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1395.02 1397.82 Yeah, that's very good 'cause the highest we coulda got is one. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1399.2 1399.69 I got 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1399.27 1399.71 Alright. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1399.89 1400.7 Does that seem right then? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1401.55 1404.55 Yeah, 'cause we've a four to bring down. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1405.74 1406.22 Okay. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1406.06 1406.52 Mm. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1407.99 1409.75 It seems like it should be more around two. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1407.99 1408.41 Uh, aye. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1409.93 1410.26 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1411.74 1413.57 Uh, should've added five. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1410.06 1411.74 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1419.4 1421.04 Do we have an online calculator? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1421.44 1423.84 I'm attempting to do that right now. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1422.04 1425.58 This is. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1423.31 1423.91 Okay. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1425.26 1426.48 Yeah it is one point nine. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1426.48 1426.83 Ooh. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1426.84 1427.58 Yay. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1426.96 1427.5 Oh wow. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1428.23 1429.55 Well that's excellent. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1427.5 1428.23 Well done. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1428.1 1429.26 Go Heather Pauls. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1432.14 1432.66 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1444.04 1446.78 And um my computer's frozen. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1436.67 1444.04 Alright, now with that over and done with, our next step is to see if we are under budget. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1448.88 1450.39 And now it's not. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1451.39 1451.81 So 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1450.39 1451.39 Okay. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1453.15 1458.62 um in our shared folder, if everyone could go there right now, um 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1459.91 1461.46 Sorry. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1462.75 1463.69 Okay. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1461.46 1462.75 Are you gonna do that? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1460.15 1463.65 I'm going to um steal a cable. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1463.65 1467.41 Um it's it's um 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1464.43 1466.18 Is that the project document? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1470.16 1472.22 it's an Excel file. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1472.22 1472.51 Oh. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1473.51 1474.69 Production costs. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1474.94 1475.47 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1482.32 1484.19 One moment. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1476.51 1477.1 'Kay there we go. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1477.1 1478.89 Um, production costs. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1478.89 1482.32 And um I have to access that as well. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1475.43 1476.51 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1482.31 1483.03 It says it 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1496.35 1496.84 Great. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1491.18 1496.35 'Kay so far I've added what I think or what is going on? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1498.95 1499.87 It's blinking at me. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1501.41 1503.34 It's locked for editing. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1508.62 1510.3 I have the original in my um 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1503.34 1504.77 Read only. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1504.77 1508.62 I'm gonna open up a second one then 'cause it's locked for editing. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1511.64 1512.38 my email account. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1512.8 1514.21 Oh is it locked 'cause I'm in it? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1515.04 1515.64 I dunno. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1515.07 1519.51 I think it just means that we can't add any more to it now. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1519.51 1520.97 Have you have you completed it? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1515.5 1516.71 Or okay. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1522.57 1524 No, I was hoping that you guys could. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1521.7 1522.57 No. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1522.65 1523.06 Okay. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1522.14 1522.65 Oh right. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1524.15 1524.49 Okay. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1526.47 1528.39 Um, there we go. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1532.34 1538.01 So we need to tally up how much our w our product will be costing. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1546.5 1552.38 Okay we're using kinetic which is quite a large expense at three Euros. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1542.12 1546.5 um the large screen, oh I guess looking at your own too and telling me which one you think. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1531.23 1532.34 Okay here we go. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1538.01 1542.12 So um if you can look up at the screen,
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1542.9 1543.36 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1552.57 1553.4 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1553.17 1554.17 Oh right. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1553.64 1555.39 Um we're using a regular chip. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1555.41 1555.61 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1556.88 1560.79 Um, it's cur it's double curved, so its curved all around. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1560.79 1561.63 That's another three. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1561.63 1563.58 We're already at five. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1563.58 1568.51 Um, we're using plastic and rubber, so 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1558.18 1560.47 Double double-curved yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1566.5 1567.43 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1570.98 1573.71 Good thing plastic is free, we're at eight. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1573.71 1574.43 Um 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1575.6 1576.93 What about a special colour? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1576.93 1578.56 Are we using that? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1575.74 1575.91 S 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1578.75 1581.75 I guess we should do it just for one kind. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1588.11 1588.99 So we can 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1581.75 1585.27 So it's like special colour well we'll have two colours right? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1577.11 1578.75 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1585.27 1588.11 Well one colour for the case, one colour for the buttons. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1581.38 1581.79 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1584.87 1585.11 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1588.01 1588.41 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1589.14 1589.88 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1590.04 1594.43 Um, we have push button interface, so that's inexpensive. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1594.43 1600.22 And um we have a special colour for the button, and we also have a special form. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1601.94 1604.9 And a special material. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1602.3 1603.59 And a special material. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1603.59 1604.7 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1609.67 1610.07 Oof. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1609.8 1611.7 Which puts us just barely under budget. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1611.7 1612.57 Hurray. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1612.37 1613.86 Congratulations guys. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1612.72 1612.88 Mm. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1612.88 1614.66 'S good. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1614.54 1615.3 Good work guys. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1615.3 1622.38 So um our operating cost is twelve twenty Euros. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1613.38 1614.54 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1615.83 1616.78 That's good. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1623.57 1624.2 Awesome. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1634.99 1635.91 So we've 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1633.08 1634.99 And back to our PowerPoint. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1643.9 1649.88 So we need to do a product evaluation, again, which is probably um 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1641.94 1642.51 'Kay. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1642.51 1643.9 Yes we are. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1652.96 1653.86 I dunno. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1653.86 1655.31 A different extension of a 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1656.23 1658.87 Of the actual project rather than the product? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1658.57 1659.13 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1660.34 1660.76 Hmm. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1661.82 1662.58 Is is yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1660.77 1661.82 A project? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1662.78 1664.81 Yeah 'cause we're talking about leadership, teamwork. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1663.29 1666.81 So wh how we actually went round uh about doing it. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1666.88 1667.62 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1667.62 1668.89 Alright so um 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1670.77 1673.7 Do you guys feel like there was room for creativity? 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1675.06 1676.37 I think we were pushed. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1676.07 1676.79 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1676.95 1678.2 Pushed for creativity? 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1687.62 1690.19 So I think we could've done with a bit more time. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1678.02 1687.62 I mean we weren't really given a lot of time, or materials, yeah, to go about our design task. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1679.58 1680.22 The ma 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1681.8 1684.58 Or materials. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1687.57 1688.49 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1692.07 1692.99 So it'd be like 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1691.3 1692.07 Ye Okay. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1694.23 1696.53 need more time and 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1699.85 1702.64 But you were allowed m creativity? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1702.64 1705.68 I think so as like but you were supposed to have creativ 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1698.62 1699.85 materials. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1699.57 1700.45 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1702.26 1703.23 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1705.03 1708.31 Yeah and the conceptual and functional. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1708.31 1711.97 Like we were very creative in in coming up with an idea I guess, but m 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1710.68 1711.29 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1718.37 1723.2 and like solar power backup and everything, then we wouldn't have been able to afford that. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1711.79 1718.37 Well we were just limited by resources really and like if we had decided to use the L. C. D. screen,
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1710.82 1711.79 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1723.2 1724.33 So that did limit 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1713.49 1715.2 When we can down to it. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1715.2 1715.93 Okay. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1714.13 1714.61 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1715.35 1715.72 Right. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1725.19 1726.33 Creativity. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1726.92 1728.45 Just resources. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1725.57 1726.92 creativity. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1728.45 1729.01 But yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1726.45 1726.98 Right 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1727.1 1727.37 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1728.44 1728.91 Okay 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1730.06 1732.54 The fruit and veg idea. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1731.42 1732.03 Great. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1733.55 1734.31 Leadership? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1735.61 1736.69 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1735.96 1738.16 Is this me being like, guys do you like me? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1738.16 1739.27 Um. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1738.06 1743.21 Good leadership, I think we stayed on task. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1742.53 1743.01 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1744.2 1747.81 We've, uh seeing as we've come out with what we intended. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1750.51 1756.44 I think that's a sign of good leadership and also our personal coach helped us along the way, so you know 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1747.81 1750.51 A pro um a product within the budget. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1743.25 1744.2 Yeah we did. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1743.58 1744.35 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1750.64 1751.36 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1755.89 1756.35 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1757.28 1758.28 And the timing was good. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1758.28 1761.58 We never were pushed for time, or sat around doing nothing, so 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1757.38 1758.58 I think it's been fine. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1761.19 1762.19 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1761.51 1762.11 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1762.11 1762.81 Good timing. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1763.78 1765.68 Oop Okay. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1765.68 1766.11 Teamwork? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1766.11 1767.7 I think we worked great as a team. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1765.51 1767.16 And project manager of course. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1768.58 1769.24 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1769.01 1769.53 Yeah? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1769.19 1770.08 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1770.32 1771.39 Was good teamwork. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1772.61 1774.25 I think we are well-suited to our roles. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1774.42 1775.06 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1775.58 1775.97 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1782.1 1783.36 Alright how were our means? 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1785.06 1785.77 Um 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1787.45 1789.4 We needed more Play Doh colours. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1789.3 1790.46 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1789.86 1792.48 Yeah and more Play Doh, 'cause that was all the red we had. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1792.48 1796.87 So even if we wanted to make a bigger prototype, we wouldn't have been able to. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1791.88 1792.37 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1792.6 1796.24 Yeah, it c it might've been bigger. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1794.79 1795.4 Oh really? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1796.86 1797.31 Okay. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1797.2 1798.99 But ever 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1804.04 1805.49 Is that good 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1800.69 1804.04 everything else was satisfactory? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1806.37 1806.94 The 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1805.08 1806.37 The computer programmes are good. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1804.87 1805.08 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1805.16 1805.92 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1806.48 1806.72 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1809.06 1817.94 I think the only thing was having to remember to you know to tick the okays but I think I was the only one who struggled with that. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1806.72 1809.06 It could be really straightforward for the computer. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1808.97 1810.09 I don't think there was anything 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1808.57 1808.97 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1812.01 1814.5 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1817.39 1823.51 I'm actually not sure if I've saved my presentations. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1821.29 1821.72 Yeah? 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1822.49 1822.91 Mm. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1824.09 1826.1 They'll probably still be there. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1825.48 1825.73 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1824.31 1825.48 Uh me too. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1826.87 1827.85 New ideas found. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1827.85 1829.48 I don't really know what that means. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1832.38 1833.14 Um 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1839.75 1841.68 Just about each different. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1832.39 1839.75 Well I think we've all learnt stuff from each other, like the n um yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1841.68 1846.37 Got new ideas from each other. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1836.9 1837.97 Through discussion. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1835.69 1836.9 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1845.48 1846.98 I'm not sure, new ideas found. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1854.24 1854.46 Hmm? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1860.54 1865.42 Like based on marketing stuff and then you'd say something about interface and yeah, worked well. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1856.49 1860.54 Yeah well I guess we really it we bounced off of each other, which was cool. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1859.7 1860.48 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1859.72 1860.17 Yeah. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1863.63 1864 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1864.43 1864.73 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1864.52 1868.09 And we were a able to modify each other's ideas 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1868.17 1868.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1868.95 1869.37 Yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1869.39 1882.02 to fit in with our areas of expertise. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1873.16 1873.81 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1873.81 1876 Each other's 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1874.21 1875.96 Oh does it have smart materials by the way? 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1876.57 1877.35 Sorry? 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1876.92 1878.23 Does it have smart materials? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1877.83 1877.95 Mm. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1880.77 1888.07 Well mm, did it come into the into I dunno if we counted that in the costs. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1878.57 1880.77 Oh yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1879.24 1880.15 Oh yeah. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1882.93 1884.72 If if it if it 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1887.32 1888.95 If it can be afforded. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1892.78 1895.6 Okay? 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1895.6 1902.12 Well with that achieved, our last slide is our closing slide. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1908.91 1913.72 And um don't forget to complete final questionnaire and meeting summary. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1903.21 1905.99 Yes our costs are within budget. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1905.99 1908.91 It's evaluated generally positively. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1913.72 1918.85 Then we celebrate in such a way that I have no idea. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1905.57 1906.06 Yes. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1906.15 1906.48 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1908.05 1908.98 Yeah. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1908.44 1908.97 Mm-hmm. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1913.81 1914.12 Uh. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1914.73 1919.12 By watching T. V. ? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1915 1916 Yay. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1915.04 1916.15 Fantastic. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1921.57 1925.17 Thank you very much. 
ES2015d H01 FEE058 1919.87 1921.57 Okay, brilliant. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1920.78 1921.34 Alright? 
ES2015d H02 FEE059 1921.49 1921.72 Yeah. 
ES2015d H00 FEE057 1922.62 1925.56 Okay, bye. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1924.28 1924.83 Mm. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1930.42 1930.7 Dadada. 
ES2015d H03 FEE060 1928.59 1930.42 Conclusion? 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 10.93 12.03 Okay. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 12.03 13.98 Oh, that's not gonna work. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 28.01 29.25 Oh, alright. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 35.42 35.88 Okay. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 60.49 62.85 Okay. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 62.85 64.88 Um alright. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 63.8 64.54 Uh, uh, um. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 80.27 92.09 Uh we'll just get started with everyone kind of letting each other know who they are and what you're doing, what your what your role is um. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 70.23 75.09 Uh as you all know we're here to create a brand new fantastic remote. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 67.88 70.23 I'll just put that there. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 75.09 80.27 Uh I'm Nick Debusk, I'm the Project Manager. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 93.67 94.21 Go ahead. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 110.93 117.9 and this means what needs and desires are to be fulfilled, and I'll be doing research to figure this out. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 94.89 103 I am Corinne Whiting and I will be the Marketing Expert and in each of the three phases I will have a different role. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 94.29 94.89 Okay. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 103 110.93 In the function design phase I will be talking about user requirement specification,
ES2016a H03 FEE064 117.9 125.21 In the conceptual design phase I will be dealing with trend watching and I'll be doing marketing research on the web. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 125.21 138.13 And then finally in the um detailed design phase I will be doing product evaluation and so I will be collecting the requirements and ranking all the requirements to see how we did. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 138.82 139.22 'Kay. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 148.49 153.65 Um the functional design is looking at the tex technical functions of a remote control. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 143.22 148.49 Um likewise I've three different roles for each stage of design. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 140.69 143.22 Um I'm the User Interface Designer. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 160.22 164.84 And the detailed design um sort of like the user interface design,
ES2016a H02 MEE063 153.65 160.22 Um in the concept design, the user interface, how the user reacts with the the product. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 164.84 169.93 what they might be looking for, uh things like fashions, what makes wha how we're gonna make it special. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 139.55 140.69 Hiya, I'm Ryan. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 171.73 172.24 That's about it. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 195.3 204.03 Um um in the conceptual design um I'll be pro mostly dealing with properties and materials um of our product. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 212.79 220.71 um so we're pretty much working together obviously on the design front here. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 184.77 192.01 um we'll discuss what the prog what functions the the product has to fulfil and so and so on. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 220.71 222.37 Okay. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 173.43 180.16 I'm Manuel and I'm the Industrial Designer in in this project um. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 192.01 195.3 Um I suppose we'll work pretty much together on that one. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 172.46 173.43 Right. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 180.16 184.77 In the functional design phase I'm I'll be dealing mostly with the requirements 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 204.03 212.79 And uh the detailed design in the detailed design I'll be concerned with the look and feel of the product itself 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 202.18 202.58 Yeah. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 221.21 221.77 Okay. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 251.5 257.06 Um of course we're a not only a electronics company but a 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 248.19 251.5 Um we want it to be something original. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 242.52 248.19 Um so we are putting together a new remote control. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 233.71 238.69 Uh tool training, project plan discussion and then closing. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 224.06 233.71 Um so we've got our opening, our our agenda is the opening, uh acquaintance which we've kinda done. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 238.69 242.52 Uh grand total of twenty five minutes we have here. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 258.27 267.55 fashion um conscious electronics company, so we want it to be trendy um and we want it to be easy to use. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 269.07 270.43 Um 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 273.2 284.7 we've got the functional design, conceptual design and detailed design um which basically is is the three of you um. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 287.68 288.45 And 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 291.68 298.82 w uh well um functional design um. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 303.04 307.18 Um do we have um 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 319.33 322.26 and then we can go into how we're gonna design it and 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 309.66 319.33 any ideas of of maybe d let's just throw out some ideas of what kind of remote control we want to have 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 323.44 326.54 and how we're gonna do the detailing on it. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 327.05 333.32 Well uh s function of remote control is just just you know, change channels is its main function. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 326.83 327.05 Yeah. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 333.56 343.05 So we want it to be um a T. V. remote or I I mean do we want it to to do other things besides just be a a television remote? 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 343.5 352.56 I suppose you c try make it a universal remote for could work on all sort of electrical 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 343.25 343.5 Oh right. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 348.59 348.81 'Kay. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 353.63 356.43 products in in one person's house. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 356.43 361.57 But, you know, they all sorta have the same role changing channels, volumes and then programming. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 356.11 356.32 Mm. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 361.79 362.67 Mm-hmm. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 362.67 362.91 'Kay. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 370.34 371.37 But is it just infra-red? 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 365.94 370.34 I think they all work on the same prin principle as well sorta like I don't actually know. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 371.37 372.02 Is that standard? 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 366.2 366.45 Mm. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 376.86 386.42 Um this is my first uh go-round with creating a remote control, so I think we're all in the same boat here. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 372.74 376.86 I I think yeah, yeah, r universal remote. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 372.9 374.04 Ye yeah. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 379.04 379.13 Huh. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 382.54 386.44 Ours too. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 387.98 388.92 Um 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 391.44 395.01 Um one thing I thought of with the remote control is you always lose 'em. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 395.64 396.18 Okay. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 396.23 396.52 Mm. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 396.55 401.79 So if there's a g a way of finding it quite easily, I thought that'd be quite good quite a good feature. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 397.95 398.29 Ch 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 400.16 404.45 So we should we should set our remote control up to where it has a uh 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 406.68 408.41 Like a tracking device? 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 407.43 411.13 like a tracking device or or like a a 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 408.76 413.26 Oh you can get those key well you could whistle or make a noise and it'd beep. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 412.37 415.92 It makes a noise, there's a button on the T. V. that you press and 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 413.81 413.98 Mm, mm. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 415.22 415.4 Mm. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 415.52 415.78 Yeah. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 416.39 416.78 Right. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 417.58 417.85 'Kay. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 417.92 418.4 Be good. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 419.41 420.04 So 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 422.66 428.32 Generally, all remotes are sort of quite similar in their appearance. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 433.48 435.46 Do we want something crazy? 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 428.68 429.79 Yeah. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 438.63 441.9 A m a modern so our remote should be 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 435.46 438.63 You know, we want something new that's gonna stand out. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 429.79 433.48 Do we want so they're kinda like long and rectangular. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 429.52 430.34 Just long. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 433.49 434.18 Black usually. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 432.23 433.49 Yeah. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 435.67 436.14 Yeah. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 436.86 438.18 Lot more modern. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 438.56 439.17 I think so. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 442.83 443.98 A ball. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 441.45 442.83 Maybe sorta spherical or something. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 444.77 446.62 Maybe like user-friendly, like a little 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 447.13 447.54 Yeah. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 447.99 450.73 you know, where you can use both hands, like a little keyboard type thing. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 450.25 453.06 People I thought maybe 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 458.48 460.79 and maybe the actual controls are inside or something. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 453.06 458.48 because people always tend to throw a remote control about the place to one another if it was in a ball 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 450.95 451.35 Mm. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 458.87 459.58 'Kay. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 461.61 461.77 Mm. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 462.17 462.45 Um. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 485.14 486.28 How sturdy is it gonna be? 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 483.02 485.14 What are we gonna build that thing out of? 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 473.95 483.02 Um however um one question is how stable is that thing supposed to be, that refers to the material, pretty much um. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 486.28 492.99 Do we want it to last longer or rather have people 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 469.53 473.95 so there are always the some restrictions we have to apply here. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 462.5 469.53 Well there are of course certain restrictions, you can't have it be any form and fulfil all functions at the same time 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 468.84 469.12 Yeah. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 482.58 482.89 Mm. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 494.72 497.94 whatever, have to buy one every half a year? 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 502.97 506.21 throwing it across the room or, as you said, people kinda throw it,
ES2016a H00 MEE061 506.21 511.5 so ball-shaped, uh you know, if it were ball-shaped maybe, then it 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 495.37 502.97 Okay so yeah, so we want it to be sturdy, we want it to to hold up to somebody's child, you know,
ES2016a H02 MEE063 497.15 497.42 Yeah. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 506.33 506.64 Yeah. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 511.16 514.33 It could be cased on the outside and t everything could be inside. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 514.46 516.28 'Kay. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 516.28 521.64 Um so we want it to be modern, fun, sturdy, 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 523.88 524.92 um 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 528.65 530.83 So our form and our function. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 530.83 534.79 Um we want it to be um 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 536.66 539.17 easy to find. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 553.47 554.78 Um 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 559.61 560.83 What else 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 566.09 569.71 So we want it to be universal. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 564.07 566.09 it what else do we want it to to do? 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 572.5 578.25 It's something that we're supposed to sell for about twenty five Euros um 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 579.7 580.47 and 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 582.76 591.13 you know, goals for profits are I think somewhere around uh fifty million Euros, what they wanna make on it, so. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 591.24 591.45 Mm. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 596.07 603.73 Also since we're partners of the International Remote Control Association, maybe we wanna make it something that would globally appeal. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 604.37 604.73 'Kay. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 605.42 608.23 That's more on the research end, but the marketing. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 609.91 614.72 So marketing, you know, how maybe uh 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 616.22 625.62 marketing, you could s find out what is the most universally um appealing remote control out there. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 624.6 625.98 Yeah. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 633.95 638.4 'cause maybe one won't apply to all of the countries we're targeting. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 627.66 633.95 And maybe as far as design goes, maybe we could have different ones for different target audiences 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 633.83 634.23 'Kay. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 634.46 634.57 Ye 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 636.05 636.48 Small. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 640.04 640.57 Right. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 650.33 651.37 Um 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 665.12 667.28 Do you guys have any ideas for what it should look like? 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 670.44 671.48 Some ideas? 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 667.28 670.44 Maybe we could draw it up on the on the board over there. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 676.22 684.14 We want it to be a b a ball, you know, we'll draw up we'll draw up the ball and maybe th um where the buttons are located. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 677 679.97 I'd I could draw sorta the ball idea. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 689.07 690.56 My original idea was just simply 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 693.17 696.32 sort of a sphere, where maybe you 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 704.62 708.36 like a flip phone, and then when you fold it out the middle 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 699.56 704.62 this is where it's connected together, and then when you open it out, it could fol it could be maybe flip,
ES2016a H02 MEE063 713.35 716.75 If that if we did use a hinge, or if it was just two parts, and then you'd have 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 710.66 713.35 Maybe a hinge that'll have to be the strongest part of it. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 718.02 719.92 just sorta you you you know, your buttons. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 722.69 731.67 Thing is inside I think, sometimes remotes have too many buttons, so maybe as simple as possible, um as few buttons inside as possible. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 732.99 736.12 Um, I dunno, what's the idea for. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 736.12 738.61 Just something maybe if you ha if it had like if some kind of 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 742.86 746.18 It's looking a bit like something out of Star Wars at the moment though, to be fair. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 740.23 742.86 like light or something or lights around it. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 746.18 746.73 But yeah. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 746.51 747.6 Futuristic. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 748.76 752.91 That was that was a sorta simple idea I had and then you know you could about 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 750.15 750.52 Uh-huh. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 758.55 760.86 I don't know whether anybody else has other ideas? 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 756.01 758.55 So that was just just an idea I had. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 753.81 756.01 Right, it would almost be like a ball. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 781.58 783.08 That's that's um a problem. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 778.81 781.58 Also also you risk the hinges here. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 769.29 776.46 since it's a ball, it'll roll, so we'd have to have it flat on one side at least, down here somewhere, take away that part. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 761.89 769.29 One problem you'd get with this design is um the ball is a nice idea because of it's stability really, but of course,
ES2016a H01 MEO062 776.46 778.81 That's one of the big issues. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 761.55 761.89 Right. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 767.04 767.26 Yeah. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 770.95 771.19 Yeah. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 772.76 773.46 Maybe f yeah. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 778.62 779.76 Yeah, that's g that's a good idea. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 781.43 782.42 Yeah. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 782.42 786.44 The idea it didn't have to necessarily be f a hinge, that was just one idea though. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 784.27 792.19 That's that's interesting of course, but that's of course a weak point, yeah. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 791.98 792.37 Yeah. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 803.64 805.26 How would we go about um 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 810.96 817.05 What I mean would we just have a flat spot on the bottom of the ball? 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 808.02 810.96 making you know getting rid of our weak points? 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 817.05 819.55 Not to put you on the spot, but 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 817.32 820.33 E No no, uh uh. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 822.44 824.1 What did you say your title was again? 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 823.08 823.81 N n 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 825.03 831.87 Uh, I'm your Industrial Designer, so i b well, the point is 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 825.41 828.19 You're the the Industrial Designer. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 833.52 834.62 that 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 842.67 845.65 The shape is perhaps not the most ideal. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 845.65 854.05 As as stable as it is, there must be a compromise between um stability and design here, so. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 836.56 842.67 well maybe I dunno. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 845.28 845.6 Okay. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 850.47 853.56 Well I I suppose that things become design. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 853.56 854.08 But I mean i 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 853.14 853.45 Mm-hmm. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 855 857.58 I was trying to think of like the design of others. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 857.58 862.46 I can't think of anything other than a long rectangle for remote, maybe small, sort of fatter ones,
ES2016a H02 MEE063 862.46 867.29 but there's nothing being done sort of out of left field, yeah. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 862.99 863.4 Yeah. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 865.98 873.88 It's not new, it's not innovative, it's you know, everybody does long remote because it's easy, it's it's stable um. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 870.25 870.56 Yeah. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 882.14 886.81 My idea was just to have it be kind of like a 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 876.06 878.34 'Kay, I'll draw something. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 878.34 882.14 What? 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 877.3 880.25 So if no, go ahead. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 888.07 892.04 keyboard type shape, you know, like video games l so. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 892.04 894.82 But maybe I mean that would be kinda big and bulky. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 894.82 900.42 We could also try to do the hinge thing, so it could like flip out that way. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 900.42 901.11 I don't know. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 890.26 890.54 Yeah. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 902.6 904.63 That's my idea. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 905.45 907.44 I think definitely doing something different 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 907.7 908.09 Yeah. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 908.7 909.49 is a good idea. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 921.04 921.22 Mm. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 922.18 933.34 I mean maybe design something, that's sort of like uh I suppose not everybody's everybody's hand's the same, but something that would maybe fit in the hand easier. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 933.48 934.57 Something with a grip. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 934.62 934.96 Yeah. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 933.59 934.62 Mm. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 934.55 935.44 Yeah, with a grip. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 939.15 941.66 Yeah. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 941.66 943.73 Because even I suppose even with the ball 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 944.44 947.97 It still might be hard to it still not the ho easiest thing to hold, yeah. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 945.49 949.35 it's it might not be the easiest to hold onto um. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 948.85 948.89 Mm. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 959.62 967.44 But then again, people like to use one hand to flip and one hand to hold their soda, so maybe maybe we 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 951.7 959.62 So perhaps the the joystick the the keyboard idea might work better. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 955.34 956.33 Like yeah. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 964.56 965.63 True. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 964.79 965.03 Yeah. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 967.01 967.34 It's d yeah. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 967.34 971.52 I think it's definitely got to be a a one-handed a one-handed job. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 970.28 970.69 Mm. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 974.38 976.7 I feel like I'm just shooting everything down here. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 976.7 978.68 Uh um 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 978.61 980.51 You're the boss, you're allowed to. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 976.07 978.61 That's fine. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 989.85 995.26 So if the remote is too small it if it's small it probably looks better, but 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 982.89 989.85 Well with the one-handed design you also have the the problem of the size w 'cause you know from cell phones, they can be too small. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 989.92 990.3 Yeah. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 990.47 990.81 Yeah. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 996.62 997.93 may not be th as functional. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 999.56 1000.49 So for that there's 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1003.23 1016.5 Okay, so unfortunately we've got about five minutes here to come up with our um remote control idea and start rolling with it. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1016.5 1025.64 Um we've talked about our experiences with remote control and um we've got a couple ideas um. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1004.94 1005.23 So 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1030.55 1031.92 Let's see here. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1040.52 1049.76 What if we had what if we had not only um say we went with the ball the ball function um 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1063.72 1064.72 So 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1049.76 1063.72 but maybe we give it sort of grips along the side s um to make it easier to hold on to. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1077.41 1085.38 Unless this unless this part were raised, so say the cover flips over and covers that part. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1074.04 1077.41 Course that'll then remove some of our our ball. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1068.2 1074.04 you know um s so it's easier to hold onto that way. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 1071.81 1072.2 Yeah. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1086.48 1087.8 So the grip is 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1089.98 1092.78 No, that wouldn't work either um. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1096.72 1102.02 But if we're gonna make it flat on the bottom, then that eliminates our ball anyways. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1102.02 1106.23 So if it were flat on the bottom and then had the 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1108.08 1110.26 sorta grips on the side here I guess, 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1113.09 1113.95 um 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1115.27 1115.99 and then 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1117.15 1118.72 flat uh 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1125.06 1126.92 And then we have the problem with the hinge. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1128.29 1131.21 So if we're flat on the bottom, it's not gonna roll away, it'll stay where we want. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1132.32 1138.04 The question is also, I dunno, d do you really always want to open that thing when you have to use it? 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1138.79 1140.16 Mm, that's true. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1146.26 1150.35 From stabil stability point of view uh it certainly is,
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1161.34 1165.83 So it's don't make it too stable uh. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1150.35 1161.34 but also you have to face it and take into account the more of these things break by accident, uh the more we sell. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1139.55 1146.26 It's probably going to lie around opened all the time anyway, so I don't know if a lid is a good idea. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1163.72 1165.77 So we don't have it flip open. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1167.08 1169.16 We just have a ball 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 1170.11 1174.83 But then maybe to go back to the to th s something along those things then. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1173.79 1174.58 To the other design. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1189.34 1195.07 What if we flipped it around here, so that it were um 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1186.28 1189.34 So we've got our sort of keyboard kind. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1175.2 1180.95 Okay, so then we forget the ball. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1180.95 1186.28 It looks cool, but it's really not it's not functional um. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1178.21 1181.88 It looks cool. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 1178.38 1181.55 Looks cool though. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 1181.55 1182.58 Yeah. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1183.4 1184.13 Uh functional. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1197.68 1200.8 Sorry, that doesn't look anything like what you had there. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1200.8 1203.31 Um so it's up and down, you hold it this way. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1212.19 1215.4 But it's one-handed um. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1205.65 1212.19 Course then it's it's like the rectangular again, only with a couple of jutting out points. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 1205.65 1205.96 Yeah. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1210.15 1211.54 Right. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1211.54 1212.07 Right. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1219.28 1222.88 W I think that's pretty much the form for full hand. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1222.88 1229.66 So it's a round shape underneath that makes it comfy, right, makes it nice, so that's the essential part. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1216.09 1219.28 Question is what makes those game pads functional? 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1229.66 1235.16 Except for that I think we'll not probably not get a get away from some longer design. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 1226.64 1226.98 Mm. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1226.7 1227.07 Yeah. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1230.92 1231.33 Yeah. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 1235.35 1235.64 Right. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1237.3 1241.3 'Cause you also have to know which way around to point this thing. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1243.07 1246.95 Yeah, because it doesn't have a cord, like joysticks do. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1243.14 1246.12 You know, all that dif batteries right, and 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1247.01 1252.11 Batteries go weak as well, so um after a while you have to point it towards the uh 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1256.53 1258.17 So, have to m 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1254.07 1256.53 towards the equipment you wanna control with it, right? 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1259.43 1261.06 show which is the front, which is the back. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1261.8 1266.8 Is it possible to have it to where it would work with a like a sensor on either side? 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1268 1270.29 So that either way you're pointing it it would work. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1269.91 1274.73 O of course the more technology you stick in that, the more it'll cost, so. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1268.35 1269.91 I suppose you could do that. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1273.43 1274.96 More expensive and yeah. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1275.84 1277.54 Course you can do that. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1278.45 1279.25 'Kay. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1281.27 1282.02 Um 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1286.35 1291.56 I mean of course it'll be evident after a while or if you look at it, it'll it'll be evident which way around to point it 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1298.85 1302.92 like you just grab it, you don't have to s look at it, you know, which way around to point it. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1291.56 1295.55 since you have the the numbers and the and the the buttons and stuff 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1302.92 1311.15 Otherwise the design of or the the point of putting two sensors on both sides um would probably work. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1295.55 1298.85 but um it's rather about an instinctual thing,
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1294.52 1295.14 True. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 1297.74 1298.19 Put it 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 1318.76 1325.41 So if that's your thing and you got something like that instead, and there's your s you kn you know which way you're gonna pointing it. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 1311.56 1318.76 Even if you designed it in some in a way that you know, isn't a rectangle, but still pointed in a direction that had definite points. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 1321.05 1322.12 Yeah. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1325.73 1326.21 'Kay. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 1328.64 1329.25 Yeah. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 1326.29 1328.64 Sorry to interrupt, but we have a warning to finish. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 1326.4 1326.95 Um 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1327.88 1331.26 Are we out of time? 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1331.26 1338.51 Okay, well, just to finish up, should we s go with this plan, start making some 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1328.8 1329.06 Mm. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1349.28 1350.6 Are good ideas, what are not. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1351.04 1351.66 Let's. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1351.66 1352.4 Obviously 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 1351.09 1354.44 Does it say what does it say for n it says on there what we need to do for the next meeting, I think. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1354.59 1355.45 Uh. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1360.86 1364.88 And then marketing will look and see what uh what people want. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1357.77 1360.86 Must finish now, so. 
ES2016a H02 MEE063 1357.93 1358.1 T 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 1364.45 1364.62 Mm. 
ES2016a H01 MEO062 1366.11 1366.34 Alright. 
ES2016a H03 FEE064 1367.52 1368.08 Great. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1370.94 1378.58 And Project Manager will design a better meeting for next time around, be a little bit more prepared. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1378.58 1381.7 And uh alright, good meeting. 
ES2016a H00 MEE061 1369.66 1370.94 Okay. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 15.35 16.82 Oh. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 25.54 25.96 Du 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 46.21 47.68 Okay. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 50.47 51.95 Thanks for coming to this meeting. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 51.95 55 S how we doing on our remote? 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 55 58.73 We have some we have some ideas and some uh 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 50.65 51.02 Hm. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 60.39 62.56 ideas for what people want. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 64.2 69.28 Uh we yes s I've lo I've done the role that I was asked to do anyway. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 69.28 70.43 I think. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 75.09 78.88 See if I can't get things uh moving along here a little bit better. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 78.88 83.39 Um I'll go over what we went over last time, which shouldn't take long. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 72.4 75.09 Alright let's just go over the agenda real quick for this meeting. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 68.61 72.4 Yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 83.77 86.78 Then I believe each of you have a presentation. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 93.77 104.48 Um then we can come to a conclusion on uh what we want the remote to do, um and how it's going to do it hopefully. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 86.78 93.77 Um I've was sent a a couple more requirements for our remote, what they want. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 113.25 116.71 Uh let's see, the last meeting we went over um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 109.07 113.25 Um which we'll have forty minutes for. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 105.19 109.07 And uh then we'll have the closing. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 133 139.56 She's gonna figure out what what um the consumer wants. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 121.02 129.57 I'm responsible for leading the meetings, keeping the notes, uh and coming up with the final presentation. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 118.24 121.02 who was responsible for what. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 129.57 133 Um Corinne is our Marketing Expert. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 139.56 143.37 Um Ryan is our User Interface Designer. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 144.65 149.33 And Manuel is the Industrial Designer. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 149.33 155.34 So you're gonna come up with the ideas Ryan, and you're gonna pick 'em apart. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 155.34 164.13 Um we decided our remote, uh we want it to be a universal remote uh that everyone would want. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 165.07 170.38 Um we want to be modern, um fun, different. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 170.38 178.92 Uh it needs to be sturdy, um easy to find, so we gonna have that locator function. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 178.92 183.84 Um and we want to be different. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 195.25 197.65 Something we could use with one hand. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 188.78 190.11 Ball-shaped phone. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 197.65 201.14 Um and that was our last meeting. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 191.4 195.25 Um we decided that it should probably be one-handed. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 190.11 191.4 The keyboard shape. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 185.87 188.78 Um and then we went over a couple of different ideas. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 202.52 209.66 So um why don't um Do each of you have a presentation? 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 209.7 210.24 Yep. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 211.63 214.54 I'll hand it off to you and um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 211.18 211.63 Okay. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 219.25 223.12 So we can maybe see what uh what the people want. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 216.24 219.25 Does anyone do you wanna go first? 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 218.64 219.06 Sure. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 229.35 229.78 What was it? 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 229.78 230.5 Function? 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 231.86 232.32 F. eight. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 231.26 231.86 Eight. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 231.83 232.5 F. eight? 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 254.67 254.94 Well. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 261.2 262.39 How do I get it 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 263.93 264.64 Slide show. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 268.18 268.37 Yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 266.22 268.18 Yeah you click on that guy. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 264.6 266.22 To go to the next one? 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 265.07 266.24 Oh right right right. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 267.45 268.19 That one? 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 268.19 268.95 Okay. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 270.7 271.99 Alright. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 271.99 283.27 Well, this is my report, which is going to be based pretty much on a survey that I was sent. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 285.68 286.1 G 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 283.27 285.68 Oh gosh, I've no idea. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 288.95 289.81 Usually goes to it. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 287.73 288.95 Just press the arrow keys I think. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 290.14 291.44 Sorry I actually need 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 289.18 290.14 Okay. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 293.27 294.86 to see something else on my screen. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 299.33 300.14 Hit F. eight again. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 300.55 300.88 Yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 301.33 301.81 I think. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 303.37 303.85 Again? 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 302.12 303.37 And then? 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 304.82 305.11 Yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 307.74 310.5 You want it to be on both screens, or just just yours? 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 309.04 310.86 No I want something else on mine. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 312.77 313.49 Is that possible? 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 313.95 317.02 Yeah but I think you have to hit escape. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 319.14 320.53 And then you can 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 322.37 322.77 Yeah. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 322.66 324.14 Okay but now you don't have that. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 324.01 324.91 Oh hit F. eight again. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 324.97 326.58 Sorry guys. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 326.55 326.86 I know. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 326.86 327.91 I did the same thing. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 329.51 330.88 And then it should come up 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 332.24 332.88 here shortly. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 334.57 334.9 'Kay. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 344.77 347.17 So is there no way I can give you the slideshow and 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 352.32 353.14 I'm not sure. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 351.65 352.32 Mm. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 346.65 351.65 I think oh give us the slideshow and something on your screen? 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 353.14 354.89 You could maybe minimise that screen and then 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 350.3 351.51 Yeah. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 348.23 350.3 have something yeah. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 351.51 351.96 Oh well. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 356.42 356.71 Yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 356.51 358.72 have them both up at the same time I think. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 359.6 360.19 Okay. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 360.19 371.42 Um so first of all, the method that I used was by doing some marketing research, by um doing research on some interviews that were conducted. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 371.42 373.3 And then some internet research. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 357.94 359.6 It's okay. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 386.1 389.51 Um okay here are some of the findings. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 373.68 381.13 And I was sent a report that was I think there were a hundred remote users that they interviewed. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 381.13 386.1 And so I will show you some of the results from that, which I think will be helpful. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 394.54 399.24 And seventy five percent of the users find their remote controls to be ugly. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 389.51 394.54 They said that the users dislike the look and feel of their current remote controls. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 399.24 402.79 Which is a fairly significant number I would say. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 403.04 409.74 And eighty percent of the users would be willing to spend more money if they could get a remote that would look fancy. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 409.74 417.48 So I think that earlier we were onto something when we were talking about having it be a modern cool look, I think that's definitely important. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 418.03 424.87 Um they say that current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 435.38 436.59 Okay. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 428.6 432.56 And if anyone could clarify what that means? 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 432.56 435.38 Zap, does that just mean like changing the channel? 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 424.87 428.6 Seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 432.68 435.61 Is is it j just just just using it yeah. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 432.97 436.09 Just jus yeah. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 454.06 458.31 And some of them it looks like barely need to be included at all. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 458.31 461.55 Of course channel selection is used the most frequently. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 444.75 454.06 And there was something else, they kept track of the frequency per hour in using certain buttons. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 436.98 444.75 Um and fifty percent of the users say that they're only using ten percent of the buttons on their remote control. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 467.88 473.44 And then audio settings and screen settings and channel settings were practically never used. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 462.12 465.04 And then teletext was the next. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 465.04 467.88 Volume and then power. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 473.44 480.62 So I think we could definitely eliminate or somehow combine a lot of the functions into one button. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 491.93 496.23 and so I think a tracking device of some sort would be a good idea. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 483.38 491.93 Um the biggest user frustrations, as we said fifty percent of people find that their remotes are lost somewhere 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 496.23 501.9 They said it take thirty four percent said it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 502.95 507.61 And twenty six percent said that the controls are bad for R. S. I. . 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 509.94 511.31 A repetitive strain injury. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 511.77 512.51 What is it? 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 513.94 514.49 I think. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 514.49 515.21 That's what I guess. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 512.46 513.94 Just repetitive strain injury. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 528.77 534.54 From the fifteen to twenty five age group over ninety percent said they would pay more. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 543.04 549.87 so maybe we could discuss this and think and decide if we think it's worth investing in this. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 518.49 520.79 And so bas okay. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 549.87 552.48 At least if we're targeting the younger groups. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 520.79 528.77 Um as far as speech recognition goes, um the younger group looks like they're all for it. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 534.54 538.08 And it kind of just went down incrementally. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 515.26 518.49 Okay. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 514.1 515.26 Okay. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 538.08 543.04 The groups at the older they get it looks like the less willing they are to pay 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 568.65 572.26 Um a multifunctional remote could be a good thing to explore. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 556.24 560.09 Some things that I drew from this are that I think we were correct. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 560.09 568.65 We definitely need to focus on a new modern appearance, since so many people seem to be concerned about the ugliness of their remote control. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 572.26 576.67 So you only have one rather than five different remotes sitting all over your room. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 554.23 556.24 And so in conclusion. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 577.28 585.74 Uh we need to simplify the remote and reduce the number of buttons, get rid of the ones that don't seem to be serving much purpose. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 585.74 589.57 And then lastly I thought that maybe we could discuss the idea of speech recognition. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 591.15 591.89 And that's it. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 612.12 613.26 Uh 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 601.23 602.36 'Kay. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 603.63 612.12 Now we actually have some ideas of what what people want, what we should focus on. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 602.36 603.63 Very nice. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 623.15 625.85 Wait can I look at that real quick? 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 624.36 624.69 Oh yeah. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 629.63 630.52 'Kay. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 625.98 629.63 Sorry did you guys get time to write everything that you needed? 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 628.85 629.26 Yeah. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 633.32 638.02 Having just listened to what Corinne just said, I'll draw on some of the things as well. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 638.02 640.97 Some things that sort of relevant to what I wanna say. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 642.24 645.61 'Kay so I'm just gonna yeah approach the technical functions design. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 655.88 663.2 And t s simplest approach that I came to is is to change, programme and operate an electronic device remotely. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 648.79 655.88 Um the method I used was to explore the uh technical functions of a remote control. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 663.2 668.29 I mean that's an obvious thing to say, but it's not attached to the device that you want to control. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 676.42 680.98 And then the personal preferences that I will suggest. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 670.93 672.05 Not very much. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 684.22 688.18 Um like it's just been brought up again then. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 680.98 684.22 Um we discussed a universal one. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 672.05 673.95 To look at similar devices. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 688.18 694.74 But I think a universal remote control is actually quite a difficult object to design,
ES2016b H02 MEE063 705.46 708.03 I'm not sure have you ever come across a universal remote control yourself, 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 694.74 705.46 and po possibly within maybe the budget that we do it, um because you'd need to know all the spef specifications of a all the like electronic companies. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 668.81 670.93 Um I had some things sent to me. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 673.95 676.42 Um defined in some them. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 717.96 723.33 So I think it'd be better maybe to concentrate on maybe just a universal one for T. V. s. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 712.9 715.31 Um and that would only add buttons. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 715.31 717.96 Whereas I think the aim is to take away buttons. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 710.73 712.9 You have to set them, reset them to everything. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 728.54 735.11 manufacturers could use it to set to their specifications, if if the aim is to get something that's unique in design. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 735.11 735.88 Um 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 708.39 710.73 but you have to i they're a nightmare to use. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 723.33 728.54 Um or maybe just one that you could we could design and then different people,
ES2016b H02 MEE063 749.86 752.19 And you can straight away see there's less buttons. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 747.88 749.86 That is the one on the left. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 744.87 747.88 But one is uh user-centred. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 752.19 761.4 And the other one is engineer-centred where that's more uh specified for the sort of the elaborate piece of equipment it's trying to control um 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 737.57 742.49 Okay here here's just two pictures of remote controls. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 742.49 744.87 They're just simple T. V. remote controls. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 763.29 772.33 which appeals more to the product that we want, and on what the have said and the market research and stuff probably looking at something that should be user-centred. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 782.47 790.41 they could be hidden maybe under some remote controls you might have come across have maybe a little flip thi thing where they're hidden away. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 790.41 793.14 And the main buttons are the ones you or the ones you come across. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 772.77 778.56 Fewer buttons, simpler to use, and if ten percent um is hidden away if ten percent is what's used,
ES2016b H02 MEE063 778.56 782.47 maybe the other fifty percent, the buttons that are used very rarely like programming 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 794.44 801.29 Um and finally, um uh sort I've sort of covered that, our product I think should be user interface orientated. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 801.29 801.9 Um 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 803.44 808.45 Like I said to concentrate on T. V. remote control, a universal remote might be too complex. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 818.64 821.9 So that we should concentrate on something that would set a trend. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 821.9 824.71 And then and change the fashion of remote controls. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 808.45 818.64 Um and as what it, the major findings market researchers have said, it's the image and the appearance that people di dislike. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 826.45 827.16 And that's it. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 839.29 841.22 cable there. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 841.22 842.02 Thank you. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 848.84 850.51 What was your last conclusion on that one? 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 850.51 852.21 Focus on uh the i 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 852 853.51 On something on the image of it. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 853.51 855.26 Uh the f the actual design. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 853.36 853.95 the image of it. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 856.44 856.77 Good. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 855.36 856.44 'Kay. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 856.77 857.2 Good. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 928.59 931.93 So unfortunately the people who were supposed to 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 909.31 927.31 Gonna talk to you about the working design of the interiors basically which is what dictates the design the both the interface basically and the outer appearance because this is all the stuff that needs to go in there. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 907.09 909.31 Okay. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 927.31 928.59 Right. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 942.06 943.93 Um just 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 933.5 942.06 do this little presentation for me obviously were too drunk to actually accomplish it, so um I'm going to do a lot of the stuff on the board. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 945.53 946.84 This is the basic 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 967.43 971.37 Um there's uh also some sound systems but infrared is 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 965.02 967.43 This is the most mostly used. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 954.22 956.97 Okay so much is clear. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 962.56 965.02 Often in the form of infrared bits. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 950.46 954.22 Um the basic function is to send messages to another system. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 956.97 962.56 An energy source feeds an integrated circuit, like a chip, that can compose messages. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 948.1 950.46 basic premise of a remote control. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 979.6 983.64 A user interface controls the chip and accordingly the messages. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 977.44 979.6 Um parts are cheaper as well. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 972.85 977.44 the better or the more more used system. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1002.91 1003.38 Right. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 991.45 999.1 Um what we have is different components that obviously need to go in there. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 987.97 991.45 So I'm going to explain that on the board rather. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 984.99 987.97 This is where my people screwed up basically. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 999.1 1002.91 We'll start with an energy source. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1003.38 1007.18 Um which is usually a battery right? 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1008.46 1013.65 Since it's not feasible to add a cable to that. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1013.65 1017.51 This energy source of course is connected to 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1019.37 1020.54 the 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1022.98 1027.35 the user interface itself. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1027.35 1031.95 Uh which can be buttons, whatever, which in fact 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1038.54 1043.04 This is the user interface and there we have the chip. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1043.04 1048.86 Um the way this goes normally is that this chip then controls an infrared lamp. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1036.93 1038.54 Right? 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1034.2 1036.93 controls a chip. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1050.67 1052.19 That sends out the signal. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1060.05 1063.85 Um depending on what the chip tells the infrared lan lamp. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1063.85 1064.48 And 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1056.97 1060.05 Of course the signal differs accordingly. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1070.98 1076.81 The way you normally normally do it is that you add a little device such as a lamp 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1065.82 1070.98 Of course that's controlled, the chip itself is controlled by the user interface. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1082 1083.91 You press something, you get a response. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1078.04 1082 to the whole thing as well, so that you know that it's working basically. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1085.14 1090.23 Which is also comparatively um important on one of those devices. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1091.94 1099.36 Now this, what we're talking about here, or what I think should be discussed are these two components mostly. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1099.36 1099.65 The 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1105.41 1114.65 What we probably cannot alter is of course the infrared, the sending device basically, the infrared lamp. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1101.34 1105.41 the uh energy source for one thing can be altered. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1131.49 1134.16 It c it doesn't have to be there. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1114.65 1119.38 We cannot change the chip which controls the infrared lamp. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1127.85 1131.49 Um the lamp can be put onto the desi the device. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1119.66 1127.85 These two are components that we have to use, and these are dictated by the whole function of the whole thing. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1134.16 1135.84 This can be discussed as well. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1119.38 1119.66 Right? 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1138.9 1141.96 The user interface. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1141.96 1144.81 That's something we can also discuss. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1144.81 1146.08 Um as we've heard 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1147.14 1151.32 uh speech recognition is the hype obviously in the moment. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1157.17 1160.66 Or if we just do the usual button thing. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1171.57 1172.2 Who knows? 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1165.81 1168.68 And of course the energy source. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1152.58 1157.17 Speech recognition um interface, we don't know that. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1160.66 1165.81 Or we have a touch pad or something like that that's something we can discuss. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1168.68 1170.39 Batteries. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1170.39 1171.57 Solar cells. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1187.26 1191.04 But that's like I s I suppose rather up to marketing, and not to 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1177.69 1187.26 Of course it's always a question whether these these components are in fact available cheap enough, developed enough. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1193.51 1198.73 So we could the the the more complex we make it of course, the more expensive 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1194.05 1196.04 to the industrial design department. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1199.59 1200.31 Yeah. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1197.73 1199.59 Expensive it's gonna be get uh. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1200.63 1208.83 But people have said that they would well younger generations of people have said that they would pay more for a speech recognition remote. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1208.83 1209.33 So 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 1207.36 1208.09 Mm-hmm. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1210.13 1210.45 Right. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1210.42 1213.01 possibly it might be worth the investment. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1213.11 1214.81 I think speech recognition was 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1216.67 1220.78 uh one of those things where um they have to be really good for them to work. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1220.78 1224.27 'Cause sometimes you find yourself just saying things over and o if it's on your phone. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 1223.03 1223.66 Yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1224.35 1224.88 I agree. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1226.01 1232.25 And you need to sort of take into light languages and then different dialects I suppose as well. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1226.07 1226.87 Well 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1243.35 1249.34 Sometimes they have a a speech recognition on the other end, and you say one for this,
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1238.51 1243.35 Like uh you call on the phone and you try to change your telephone or power or something. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1233.28 1238.51 I myself I find, when you, h when there's something like spee speech recognition. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1249.34 1252.47 and you find yours, like you said, saying the same thing over and over and over. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1245.47 1245.71 Yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1257.78 1261.45 So maybe if you're sitting on your couch with a bunch of people then 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1252.69 1257.78 I find myself, especially if I'm in a crowd of people, looking really silly. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1257.14 1257.44 Yeah. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1263.06 1267.51 And wou I don't know if would would you want to keep saying stuff if you were watching stuff. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1267.51 1269.71 If you were watching something would you sort of be wanting 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1263.1 1265.49 you know, you 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1272.08 1274.58 Change the channel, you know channel up, channel down? 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1270.53 1272.08 Volume down. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1269.65 1270.53 Volume up. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1274.58 1275.98 I I don't know. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1271.01 1271.32 Yeah. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 1276.69 1286.26 Another thing about these figures is ninety one percent of the youngest age groups said they'd do it, but probably a lot of them that's actually their parents money. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 1286.26 1290.48 Like I don't know if they would actually go out and purchase this themselves, a fifteen year old you know. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1288.89 1289.66 I think 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1295.09 1296.22 But practically I don't think it's 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1290.44 1295.09 As well it'd be j the gimmick factor for the younger people. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1292.88 1293.5 Mm-hmm. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 1293.42 1293.85 Yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1295.8 1299.48 It's a, it's a gimmick factor that they like at first, and 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1299.56 1300.25 It'll wear off. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1299 1299.56 Yeah. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 1300.3 1301.41 Gets old yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1306.06 1307.01 Okay. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1307.01 1308.17 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1309.93 1311.04 Let's see here. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1310.59 1313.35 Do you wanna put your cord back in? 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1313.62 1314.44 Yeah I guess so. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1314.33 1315.39 Oh right. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1315.67 1316.34 Trade you. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1316.13 1318.82 go. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1318.8 1320.55 Now I was sent a couple of 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1342.79 1345.6 it's more cost, more costly. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1350.54 1357.15 I think uh you said fifty percent of the people only use half the or ten percent of the buttons. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1365.17 1365.95 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1345.6 1350.54 And your re uh research showed that you know most of the people don't even use it. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1357.15 1362.58 So if we remove the universal remote then that solves that problem. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1331.54 1334.24 Um the remote's only gonna be for the television 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1334.24 1342.79 which is good because we already decided y your your research showed that uh not only is a universal remote more complicated,
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1323.63 1331.54 things to modify our uh new requirements. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1362.58 1365.17 Um no teletext. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 1350.74 1351.3 Mm. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1382.02 1384.96 And our corporate colours are grey and yellow. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1367.48 1369.47 So we don't have to worry about that. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1369.47 1382.02 Um but we do have to use the the company wants us to incorporate the corporate colour and our slogan, which is we put the fashion in electronics. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1388.71 1391.53 And we could probably get away with black too but 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1395.78 1401.93 So those are the three um the three new requirements that that I was told 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1403.16 1405.22 we need to use. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1412.76 1413.45 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1405.22 1412.76 Um from all all three of your uh presentations, I think that we were on the right track a lot in our last meeting. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1423.92 1424.95 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1415.73 1417.58 We want something that looks good. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1420.26 1423.92 We want something that you can find easily. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1417.58 1420.26 Um we want something that's simple. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1436.88 1439.46 But um it's 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1427.88 1432.15 And the speech recognition I I guess is kind of uh give or take. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1434.2 1436.88 S the young the younger people say that they like it. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1432.15 1434.2 It's gonna cost more. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1434.35 1434.94 Mm-hmm. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1445.5 1449.88 So maybe we should just do away with speech recognition. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1449.88 1450.65 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1440.63 1445.5 probably, I would say, probably not worth the investment at this point in time. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1452.6 1455.96 And that way we can focus on our form. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1457 1461.85 I did have have a thought about the sort of the tracking thing. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1461.85 1464.88 Is that if it came with maybe a holder 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1467.48 1470.59 Um that you you should put it back in. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1474.63 1477.88 and that just sort of sends out a beep to find where it is or something. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1470.59 1471.53 Your remote. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1466.17 1467.48 or holster, whatever you wanna call it. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1479.03 1480.81 That shouldn't be too complex I would've thought. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1471.53 1474.63 But if you don't put it back in, you press something like a little button on that 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1477.88 1479.03 Just by infrared. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1482.71 1486.12 That'd be, that'd be good if we were going with our our ball. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1486.96 1488.07 The ball could sit on a 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1486.33 1486.96 Yeah it would be quite good. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1490.29 1493.05 You know that could be the charger. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1505.34 1505.92 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1493.05 1497.15 For you know we could use rechargeable batteries in the remote. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1497.15 1499.58 And that would be or solar. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1487.24 1490.29 Or or with you know I guess with any form that that would be good. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1499.58 1505.34 Or you know However, however you wanted to go about it, the holder could also be the charging unit. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 1488.55 1489.18 Mm. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1493.32 1493.61 Yeah. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1504.8 1505.03 Yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1507.21 1508.23 With the locator button. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1509.73 1513.79 Um and if it were the ball you'd no longer have to have a flat space on it. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1514.01 1514.41 Yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1515.78 1519.79 Um like if we still have the how to hold on to it and 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1516.4 1517.93 Well you still do. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1517.93 1518.84 You s you still 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1524.97 1527.14 So that's not an issue really. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1523.06 1524.97 While you're watching, it's gonna roll off. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1520.86 1521.4 W yeah. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1521.4 1523.06 You put it on t on the couch table. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 1522.92 1525.01 Rolls away yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1523.35 1524.9 It's gonna roll away. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1547.45 1548.56 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1555.54 1556.35 And uh 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1551.11 1555.54 So I guess after the meeting we'll have some questionnaires. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1558.82 1561.6 and some summaries for for what's going on. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1564.07 1567.65 Then we can come back and uh work on our individual work. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1561.6 1564.07 Um then we'll take lunch. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1568.87 1569.64 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1571.56 1572.81 I'll do the minutes. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1577.86 1579.39 Uh let's see. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1584.48 1587.09 It looks like you're already on your way for uh 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1590.74 1594.81 Um chips, the what chips we need and what uh 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1588.34 1590.74 working with the components. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1598.75 1601.06 you know how to power it and whatnot. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1605.44 1608.21 User interface concept, we want it to be something simple. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1608.8 1609.17 Yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1609.59 1610.23 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1611.22 1612.75 Minimal number of buttons. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1617.33 1620.15 I guess our, I guess our main um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1622.33 1629.3 main thing that we should focus on until then is probably deciding on a certain look, you know. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1630.85 1631.23 Yeah. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1633.02 1633.41 Right. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1634.61 1635.23 That's 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1636.92 1640.09 Did you have time earlier to to work on that. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1640.09 1645.87 Did you guys feel you have enough time in between our meetings to get everything done that you need to get done? 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 1642.64 1645.43 Not really. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1647.77 1652.74 I'll yeah I'll have a look, try look at the actual appearance in the next break. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1656.08 1656.32 'Kay. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1656.08 1660.36 I th I I do still think it needs to be something that is ultimately one-handed. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1660.36 1661.41 The ball is probably not a good idea. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1664.99 1667.19 So that I think it still has to be a variation. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1661.41 1664.99 And even something that's held like that might be difficult. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 1660.52 1660.76 Mm. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1664.44 1664.78 Mm-hmm. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1668.51 1669.15 On maybe a 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1670.59 1672.92 a rect on a rectangle but maybe not necessarily as 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1674.07 1676.19 boring, as plain as a rectangle. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 1675.05 1675.42 Mm. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1678.57 1679.69 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1681.43 1684.6 Shall we maybe shoot for a a specific uh target group? 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1686.08 1687.48 That way we could l I mean 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1696.62 1700.37 Or girls or older people? 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1689.04 1696.62 if it were, if we were shooting for young guys then it's um a certain look to the remote. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1701.6 1702.44 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1704.08 1707.8 Would that you think that would help us find um a specific form? 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1709.12 1710.69 That we would would wanna pick out? 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1713.34 1718.69 D I don't know if that might cope with like the trend-watching. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1718.69 1720.06 I find anything more on that. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 1718.48 1719 Mm. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 1721.54 1726.05 Yeah not yet but maybe by the next meeting we'll have some info on that. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1731.54 1732.11 'Kay. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1741.57 1741.98 So 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1763.4 1764.51 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1755.87 1763.4 And our slogan pasted somewhere on it, on the the bottom or the you know. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1743.52 1749.18 um we know that the remote's gonna have to be we'll just say we've got a colour scheme for it. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1749.18 1755.87 Um yellow and you know yellow it's nice and bright, with the buttons being grey or black. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1748.72 1749.02 Yeah. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1753.7 1754.11 Mm. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1761.2 1762.32 Bottom perhaps yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1772.8 1777.36 Maybe we could sketch a so basically 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1806.73 1809.79 go ahead and erase this. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1794.2 1806.73 So it's more of course this will look like a bone then. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1786.7 1789.4 You know. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1793.54 1794.2 You know. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1789.4 1793.54 Um maybe we could flare it or something. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1809.79 1810.88 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1781.31 1786.7 all of our remotes all of our typical remotes now are just kind of a rectangular sort. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1818.45 1822.28 Hope everyone memorised that uh 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1829.36 1835.6 They've gone from big brick block things, which is a remote control is, to sort of slinky small things. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1820.79 1826.7 You I mean it might be to look at sort of the the shape and trend of like things like mobile phones 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1826.7 1829.36 and the shapes that the they've been going. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1828.32 1828.89 Yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1828.89 1829.59 Yeah. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 1828.81 1829.22 Mm. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1835.86 1838.71 Yeah everybody's got a mobile phone right? 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1841.99 1843.07 Uh 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1838.71 1841.99 Except for me now. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1854.71 1861.05 Um which may defeat our purpose for being able to locate our remote all the time. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1861.05 1870.57 But then again you don't want you know like the first mobile phone that was this big and you had a handbag to carry it around in. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1847.93 1854.71 But they are all, you know, mobile phones um they've kind of taken a turn to where they're really small. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1870.57 1871.55 Um 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 1854.29 1854.72 Yeah. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 1857.66 1857.86 Mm. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1859.55 1859.91 Right. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1874.11 1876.48 So we've got basically what 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1877.54 1880.66 remotes look like now is kind of what we're 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1882.23 1884.59 what we're stuck with. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1884.59 1885.52 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1894.51 1895.06 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1888.99 1894.51 Maybe we could go with a square or something. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1900.62 1900.79 Hm. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1902.21 1906.41 Um you know with minimal number of buttons. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1908.78 1910.98 I guess you've got you know one through nine. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1914.55 1917.36 For typing in your channels. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1917.36 1918.68 Uh you've got 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1919.85 1923.11 volume, up and down. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1923.11 1924.46 Channel up and down. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 1926.45 1927.01 Power. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1927.41 1928.04 Power. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1931.79 1933.53 Um a mute. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1929.68 1931.79 Usually at the top. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1939.41 1941.77 That's the classical design. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1941.02 1945.76 That's that's pretty much all you need I think. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1945.76 1946.54 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1948.34 1949.89 A menu button, maybe. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1951.37 1951.74 Right. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1952.1 1953.01 So you know. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1954.15 1954.64 If you 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1966.94 1972.89 we just have that under one standard menu button where you go in, press the menu button, scroll up and down to select it. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1954.64 1966.94 if we want the remote to do other things like um or I guess the T. V. to be able to change the tint and the colour and you know all those kind of things that are built into T. V. s,
ES2016b H03 FEE064 1972.97 1973.32 Yeah. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1974.91 1975.87 Yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1975.46 1976.12 Um 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1978.29 1981.85 Talking of which maybe a scrolling function is not not too bad. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1981.92 1983.5 'Kay so 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1983.42 1983.8 It's 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1999.63 2000.22 Yeah. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1984.65 1991.46 Talk about maybe f look at that from the side, there maybe. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1998.51 1999.05 Yeah. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1999.05 1999.63 Yeah. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1991.46 1994.59 Which is technically the easiest option. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2000.22 2000.46 So. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 1994.59 1998.51 Would probably be like a scrolling, little scrolling wheel like this. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1984.69 1986.02 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1998.14 1998.49 Mm-hmm. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 1999.88 2001.25 Like a wheel on your mouse. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2001.47 2002.87 Yeah, sort of like that. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2002.87 2003.5 You can even 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2002.38 2003.08 Sort of. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2004.63 2011.64 if we're coming from mice, we can even add a click function, where you, in order to verify the information you just press it down. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2029.04 2035.9 Just which maybe from an engineering point this could be holding the the batteries and so on. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2012.88 2014.32 Right. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2014.32 2020.4 Also when it comes to the ergonomics of the whole thing, if you wanna make it square for the looks of it,
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2020.4 2029.04 then maybe to make it more comfortable to hold the whole thing, you add a little bulge down here. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2013.42 2014.62 'S a good idea. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2036 2036.31 Mm-hmm. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2043.49 2043.94 Right. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2038.16 2041.45 You know what I'm getting at here, fel look at it from the side. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2037.73 2038.16 I know. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2043.94 2044.2 Uh 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2041.45 2043.49 It's like that. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2040.12 2040.93 Looks good. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2039.14 2040.12 Look g yeah. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 2040.1 2040.38 Mm-hmm. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2046.27 2048.94 Then you hold it in your hand like this. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2048.94 2056.67 And maybe you bring the buttons nearer to the or the imp more important buttons nearer to the to the side. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2056.67 2057.48 Right. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2057.48 2057.77 Mm. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2049.81 2051.19 Yes s 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2055.34 2056.37 To the thumb. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2056.37 2056.88 Yeah. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2058.01 2059.92 Maybe the buttons could like uh 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2056.36 2058.01 To the thumb yeah. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2061.6 2067.31 decrease in s the bigger ones you know they could actually be bigger in size than the ones that are less important, the smaller here. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2068.92 2072.96 You can also have it, maybe, talking about mobile phones again, sliding open. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2068.17 2068.92 Right. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2074.12 2074.69 Yeah. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2074.46 2080.44 With the lesser used functions on this part, and then it slides into that part. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2080.44 2081.16 And out. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2076.59 2077.48 Behind. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2077.48 2077.94 Definitely. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2080.41 2083.86 just like o on a sort of side view. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2087.52 2089.6 So you know you just sort of have your hand 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2085.19 2087.52 Something that you know it would sort of fit in the hand better. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2089.62 2092.87 Mm well I was just thinking, this this of course causes 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2092.06 2094.27 Right on the and your thumb would be up here type thing. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2091.41 2092.06 Yeah. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2099.39 2099.76 So. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2094.32 2099.39 causes a problem um for left or right-handed people actually. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2098.66 2099.59 Yeah that's also true. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2101.82 2104.69 instantly sort of always going for the right-handed person. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2104.8 2105.13 Right. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2107.41 2109.81 But I mean the older so 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2115.41 2115.84 Yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2109.78 2114.08 Yeah is everyone who in here's right-handed, left-handed? 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2115.84 2122.05 So I'm left-handed but I, so I can say that most things are designed for right-handed people. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2114.08 2115.41 You guys all right-handed? 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 2113.86 2114.52 Right. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2114.36 2115.03 Right. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2114.64 2115.63 Right-handed, yeah. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 2117.84 2118.15 Uh-huh. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2122.18 2123.84 That's right. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2126.13 2127.37 Or English. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2123.39 2126.13 Like the written language. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 2127.39 2132.46 Maybe you could buy like a special left-handed version of the remote. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 2132.46 2133.16 Special order. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2134.06 2138.06 I would say I mean it should be probably designed for a right-handed p person. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2131.6 2132.01 Maybe. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2132.01 2134.06 Ow. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 2138.13 2138.67 Yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2142.03 2147.57 That's w I think we've got a kind of a good plan there. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2139.51 2142.03 Um but that's that's good. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2147.57 2148.09 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2153.15 2154.38 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2149.92 2153.15 At least for what buttons we're gonna use. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2156.96 2158.64 So we've got uh 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2160.37 2164.41 I like the scroll, the scroll action and the 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2166.42 2168.67 I mean I'm just just thinking maybe 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2171.41 2172.71 if it was um 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2175.98 2176.67 circular 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2178.67 2179.15 um 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2192.9 2195.92 So you'd have your, you'd put your hand into there with the thumb there. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2181.92 2187.71 with the sort of that sort of the sort of early idea we had, with the way that was more like that 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2187.71 2192.9 whereas this is just a one-handed thing that you sort of almost wrap round the thumb. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2200.44 2202.66 And that I think could work. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2202.66 2204.33 On any hand. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2197.35 2200.44 And then your thumb would do you'd have all the buttons sort of round here. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2204.33 2206.05 If you just had it like wrapped round there. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2206.05 2206.73 Left or right. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2202.23 2203.41 Yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2203.41 2204.76 Kinda like holding a 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 2207.29 2207.46 Mm. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2209.59 2210.06 Right. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2211.19 2214.32 That minimises it size-wise as well. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2214.21 2216.06 It could be you know really quite small. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2212.45 2214.21 Minimise its size. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2215.4 2215.69 Mm. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2218.79 2220.09 Then there's maybe 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2223.78 2228.55 another point of making it a two-in-one kind of thing. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2228.55 2229.71 If we have a smaller 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2246.69 2247.1 That's it. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2231.29 2234.56 a smaller device that actually fits into the big one. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2234.56 2238.77 You give it the full functions in here, and just a couple of functions in there. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2238.77 2246.69 Like your zap zapping device is just u channels up-down, uh volume, and on-off. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2238.19 2238.6 Yeah. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 2238.75 2239.06 Hmm. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2240.48 2241.46 Zapping functions. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 2248.13 2248.71 Could be good. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2248.31 2249.26 Yeah. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2248.52 2251.73 Maybe. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2282.28 2283.9 So two remotes in one. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2287.23 2289.38 But then would be easier to lose 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2291.88 2293.08 one or the other. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2293.28 2294.07 That's right. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2297.71 2299.73 And perhaps heavy, so you can't move it around. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2295.16 2297.71 Means the big one has to be sufficiently big. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 2299.52 2306.73 Yeah, yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2300.51 2305.44 It actually is your coffee table. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2306.1 2306.96 Yes, there you go. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2301.4 2305.29 Make it a piece of furniture. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2305.29 2306.1 yes. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2310.33 2312.69 Or a statue or something. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2313.58 2315.35 Okay. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2315.35 2316.98 Well we need to finish up here. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2316.98 2317.77 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2319.62 2320.76 So for the next 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2337.98 2338.78 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2325.33 2337.98 So for the next um before the next meeting w uh sh shall we work on you're watching trends to see what what kind of new information we've got going on. 
ES2016b H03 FEE064 2334.71 2335.59 Mm-hmm. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2335.32 2335.57 Yep. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2341.29 2345.86 Manuel you're going to work on the components for for what we're gonna use. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2345.86 2349.91 Let's go with our our uh rounded 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2344.23 2344.87 Right. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2367.31 2368.22 Um 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2358.4 2367.31 So one for the the quick zapping um and possibly one you know with just that rounded part that fits into your hand. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2351.94 2358.4 kind of fit in your hand let's explore uh the the uh possibility of having the two-piece. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2359.41 2359.77 Alright. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2365.17 2365.39 Yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2378.27 2379.86 So both of those concepts. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2369.67 2378.27 And Ryan you work on um how how well they'll work with the us with the user. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2376.32 2377.41 How well it'll work yeah. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2387.37 2388.75 see you in 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2382.17 2387.37 And uh okay I think we made some good progress here. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2386.45 2387.4 Alright. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2391.13 2392.9 I gu I guess we'll take lunch 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2390.12 2391.13 I dunno. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2397.71 2403.53 Or I guess we'll be taking lunch shortly and then then in about half an hour after that we'll probably have another meeting. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2394.94 2397.71 in about uh half an hour. 
ES2016b H02 MEE063 2403.69 2404.14 Yeah. 
ES2016b H01 MEO062 2403.71 2404.77 Alright. 
ES2016b H00 MEE061 2405.6 2406.03 Okay. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 31.85 32.83 Okay. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 57.09 57.42 Right. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 61.26 62.08 Okay. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 76.29 77.34 Okay. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 77.34 79.45 This is our conceptual design meeting. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 72.12 72.86 Alright. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 72.86 76.29 Is everyone here? 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 74.13 77.2 Yep. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 75.73 75.98 Yep. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 82.88 84.32 And 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 88.12 93.86 I'll just take a few minutes and uh go through the previous minutes. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 93.86 102.83 Um then each of you will have your presentation, um and then we will need to make a decision on the concept for the remote control. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 103.95 108.86 And then we'll have uh forty minutes for finishing up. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 108.86 109.36 Um 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 115.34 128.22 Um, we just refreshed our our uh goal of making the finest remote control available. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 111.31 115.34 I'll go through the mee through the minutes first. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 134.74 137.32 Um and 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 128.22 134.74 Um we decided that, or we know that we need to use company colours, company logo. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 152.01 154.86 People thought their remotes were ugly, um 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 147.22 152.01 Um with some statistics that backed basically what we were thinking before. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 138.56 147.22 our Marketing Expert uh gave us some i uh information from interviews with a hundred different remote users. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 156.5 157.22 um 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 161.41 165.07 Um they only use uh a finite amount of buttons. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 158.3 161.41 that remotes zap a lot. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 167.08 172.34 Um and that they often lose the it's easy to lose a remote. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 172.34 177.62 Um which were all things we were thinking we would wanna make it simple. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 177.62 178.06 Um 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 185.52 186.12 Um 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 179.21 182.16 And uh some sort of locator. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 182.16 185.52 Either a button or tracking device. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 188.05 191.71 And that it should look different than what's out there. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 193.69 194.22 Um 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 204.47 206.5 Um uh I think we decided that 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 199.87 204.47 The younger people said they wanted it, older people did not. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 195.87 199.87 Kind of mixed mixed response on the speech recognition. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 221.68 224.25 Um 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 207.89 221.68 um the expense was not necessarily worth it, and that it was probably a gimmick, that um would increasingly wear on the consumers' nerves. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 242.05 246.77 The simple one being better for a user, the complex better for an engineer. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 227.5 236.64 Then the User Interface Designer um explored some of the technical functions of the remote. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 246.77 247.24 Um 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 236.64 242.05 Um the simple versus the um the complex. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 257.75 266.3 Um and that we didn't wanna go with a universal remote, because uh increasing cost and increasing complexity. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 275.54 277.42 Have it s be something that looks different. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 269.36 275.54 Um and that we should also focus on the appearance of the remote. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 250.04 257.75 Um and some personal preferences that were found in that would be that it should be a user-oriented remote, something simple. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 266.3 269.36 Um we would just have a T. V. remote. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 298.23 298.78 Um 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 289.7 295.33 Um from energy source, um uh what we would use. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 280.06 289.7 And finally our um Industrial Designer uh gave us a rundown of how the remote will work. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 295.33 298.23 Batteries because we don't wanna have a a cable. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 305.27 306.91 If we were to to have one. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 317.77 318.25 Um 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 306.91 317.77 Uh um the user interface then would connect to a chip, which would work with the infrared controls uh to send the signal to the T. V. . 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 300.11 305.27 How that would power the remote and the lamp. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 329.53 329.92 Um 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 320.33 329.53 I believe then we came up with a couple of ideas for what we think the design of the remote will be. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 331.29 337.4 Um something that will fit into uh easily into someone's hand. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 341.46 342.7 Just the basics. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 339.03 341.46 And with a, just a few buttons. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 342.7 347.22 And with a scrolling um function also. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 349.91 354.47 Okay and I will leave that, leave it at that. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 354.47 355.06 So 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 360.2 362.28 I suppose that you can have this. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 357.37 360.2 We're watching trends. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 355.9 357.37 Marketing? 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 356.75 357.28 Okay. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 358.82 359.33 Yep. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 359.33 363.17 Can I have your cable please? 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 363.17 363.91 Thanks. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 388.18 391.7 Okay so I was looking at trend-watching. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 406.65 409.85 And then I'll just tell you some personal preferences that I got from that. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 398.92 406.65 I was given a brief executive summary, and then an update on some recent fashion trends that we might like to look at. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 394.66 398.92 Um unfortunately I wasn't given too much information. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 410.98 424.7 Um okay the most important finding was that the fancy look-and-feel seems to be twice as important to the users as the current functional look-and-feel design 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 424.7 427.77 which I think we've kind of already discussed before. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 434.35 439.72 And again these are all things we've kind of already come up with on our own, but this just backs it up. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 439.72 443.75 And thirdly the remote would be easy to use. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 428.3 434.35 Um the second most important finding was that the remote should be technologically innovative. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 446.01 455.71 As far as fashion update, we've learned that fruits and vegetables will be the most important theme for cloths, shoes and furniture. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 455.71 460.56 So that might be a bit of a challenge to incorporate this into our remote, but we can try. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 460.71 469.25 Um and also, as opposed to last year, this year the material is expected to be spongy in feel. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 471.62 479.78 Okay so from that um, as we've already said, we need to focus on a fancy look-and-feel. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 487.42 491.54 But I think that, even if it's very subtle, we need to kind of trick our consumers 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 479.78 487.42 Um I think we've already discovered that it's kind of hard to go away from the traditional rectangular design. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 491.54 496.95 so they at least get the idea that they're getting something that's new and modern and sleek and 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 497.53 501.32 Whether it's through the shape or the colours or all of that. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 505.73 510.43 We brought up the idea of having two pieces, which we could discuss further. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 501.32 505.73 Um for technologically innovative, we've talked about the tracking device. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 521.73 529.03 We need to keep it simple, have limited buttons, which I think the two piece idea might be really beneficial for. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 511.24 521.73 And Manuel had suggested um the energy source and the user interface, discussing some of those, um that we could change a little bit. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 542.67 543.3 Yeah. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 554.66 559.62 and I'm not sure how they'd feel about having fruity logos on the outside. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 544.52 546.55 Or with exterior designs. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 542.02 542.67 Yeah. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 546.55 554.66 But my question is, I mean the stereotypically speaking, you kind of picture males with their remote controls 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 536.36 542.02 I don't know, I mean I guess the two options are if we had our remote in the shape of a fruit or vegetable. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 529.76 536.36 Um we need to incorporate this fashion trend of fruits and vegetables. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 559.62 567.12 So maybe we could have something that's somewhat removable, or I don't know, different options for female, male target groups. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 543.3 544.52 Right. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 540.81 542.98 A banana shape? 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 541.04 542.42 Oh it was sort of banana shaped. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 567.65 570.53 And then the spongy feel. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 570.53 575.75 I guess we could look at mobile phones and other technology that's out there. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 575.75 583.29 C and look at different types of material that might please our users who want spongy-feeling remote controls. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 584.78 585.67 So that's that. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 591.05 594.96 Possibly uh like a cover like they have for mobile phones? 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 586.69 591.05 So possibly like a uh, sorry, just to butt in for a second. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 587.47 587.88 Alright. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 594.37 596.4 That's what I was thinking yeah. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 595.09 597.96 Those like, yeah, sort of spongy ones. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 596.86 601.95 You have one with a flag, and one with a banana and one that's a spongy 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 602.2 602.54 Yeah. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 602.54 605.89 So when you buy your remote you can buy 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 605.88 606.84 You can 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 603.27 605.88 feel to it. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 607.09 608.16 various coverings. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 607.87 608.88 Mm various covers. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 609.03 613.12 Cust you personalised, yeah. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 608.07 609.03 What's it called? 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 611.7 612.96 Personalise your remote. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 619.97 622.47 We could leave that to the cover department. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 621.74 625.22 Mm-hmm. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 621.97 624.34 Yeah. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 627.05 629.66 We all know they've got nothing to do all day. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 650.1 650.73 Okay. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 655.71 665.22 Um yeah I talking about the interface concept and how the customer relates to, will use the, consumer will use the actual device. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 665.22 672.85 Um so I've looked at some of the stuff I was sent, um, try and get some inspiration. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 652.91 655.71 Why can't I see the crazy. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 672.85 675.14 But keep in mind that our own ideas that we had. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 679.43 689.53 the technology department have devised a new speech recognition technology, where you can program questions into such devices. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 675.91 679.43 Um I was sent some information from the company saying that they,
ES2016c H02 MEE063 704.14 710.1 There's different ways of a user can use products l like a remote. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 690.19 699.65 They gave an example of a coffee machine where you program a question, you program the answer, and the machine responds accordingly. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 699.65 704.14 Um okay. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 710.1 714.36 Um there's a graphical use, where you you look at pictures and 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 727.77 733.81 You can't really see that picture well, but there's various different remotes, once again with lots of different buttons on, making it more complicated. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 721.63 727.77 Um and then it ju that's just to point out the sort of inconsistent u sort of use of interface in remotes. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 717.35 721.63 A command line where you obviously type things in, and you get a response. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 715.57 717.35 well on a screen. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 748.93 749.95 I have a there is a picture. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 753.8 759.92 Store up to eighty speech samples, controls four devices, T. V., cable, satellite, V. C. R., D. V. D. and audio. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 749.95 753.8 You surf your favourite channels uh with your voice. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 742.07 748.93 Um this is the voice, there is a voice recognition remote control, which can control mus multiple devices. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 734.53 738.1 So, then I had a look at new products that are on the market. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 738.1 742.07 Not necessarily remote controls but ones that you'll recognise. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 767.03 774.78 Um the one on the left is very similar to what we drew up on the board in the previous meeting 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 760.48 764.03 And you can record your own v verbal labels, that are connected to remote control functions. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 764.03 767.03 So the technology is there. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 774.78 776.73 where there has scroll down functions on the side. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 776.73 777.94 You can sort of just make those out. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 778.25 786.24 And then on the right is obviously an iPod, which is you know possibly one of the simplest things to use out there,
ES2016c H02 MEE063 792.01 793.29 That is a 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 786.24 792.01 and really is, and all that is is just a a nice big scroll menu that y you sort of go through. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 807.59 814.4 So the remote control it o only allows them to access the channels that their parents want them to watch. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 801.03 807.59 where the the parents have the facility to control and program what children can watch before. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 796.51 801.03 Um then there's things like this, which is a a a kid's remote 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 794.38 796.51 And nothing's simpler really. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 793.67 794.38 possibility. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 814.85 820.94 And um it means that th children have a novelty of having their own remote control. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 827.21 829.77 maybe it can have more components you know, different remotes. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 820.94 827.21 So I don't know if there's a possibility of having one remote contr you know like we just had two components,
ES2016c H02 MEE063 840.68 846.47 Sometimes an arrow pointing down, which may suggest volume down, could become confused just as a V. for volume. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 838.6 840.68 as to what, you know, things you use. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 846.47 850.16 Just little things like that, which would need to be made clear in the design. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 830.25 838.6 Um the point made at the end there here is that you have to be sort of be need to be clear on your um devices,
ES2016c H02 MEE063 859.3 863.16 Maybe we've so suggested this two-part thing,
ES2016c H02 MEE063 863.16 869.27 where if it was to have a speech recognition thing, you could maybe control that on the do it or program all that on the control bit. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 851.7 859.3 Um I think, d carrying on from what I've already said, a user friendly remote with minimum buttons. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 869.53 875.18 And then just have the simple sort of hand-held thing that we sort of devised earlier, as the actual remote. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 877.79 884.64 the actual remote contr the actual control port maybe could have like an iPod where you just sort of control through the menus. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 884.64 887.8 Stuff like gets more and more compli complicated. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 875.18 877.79 Um I don't it could be a graphical display 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 893.64 894.87 And that is it. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 887.8 893.64 And then the the hand-held bit should be ergonomically designed. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 894.87 895.42 Why am I 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 896.84 897.73 Oh yeah. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 899.66 900.32 Just. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 901.61 902.82 Where are we? 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 902.82 904 Uh. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 906.91 907.94 Just to sort of show you. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 911.81 913.81 M they've even got things like that. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 914.63 919 Which is just for your gr ninety year old grandma yeah? 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 913.81 914.63 Huge things. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 919.58 922.59 That's industrial design for cranes, stuff like that. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 921.02 922.28 Yeah. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 922.28 922.54 Yeah. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 927.78 929.42 Also good for animals. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 922.44 927.78 Notice the giant dog bone shape? 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 922.45 925.61 Dunno. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 924.78 926.09 And that yeah. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 924.86 926.21 Makes sense, makes sense. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 928.57 929.28 See. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 928.06 928.57 Yeah. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 930.35 931.3 things. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 939.71 941.95 Why's my screen crazy? 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 940.3 941.6 Uh 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 947.01 949 I'm going to bore you with a 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 945.08 947.01 Well let's see. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 951.3 953.94 couple of descriptions of the interior. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 964.52 970.64 I've more information on possible materials um as well. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 970.64 972.14 What we can and cannot do. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 957.11 964.52 Just to to make it more obvious what we have to fit in there, and that we do have to fit the stuff in there. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 974.48 980.05 Um but let's just wait for this to load up and I'll show you 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 985.8 986.58 Okay. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 984.45 985.8 what we're talking about here. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 999.56 1007.66 The underside, that's pretty cheap piece of of technology really top left side you can see the chip,
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1014.37 1025.45 and it passes it on to a row of um further transistors and stuff like that on the right side that actually amplify the signal,
ES2016c H01 MEO062 988.95 999.56 The details of the components' design, as you can see there, what we have is the board, main board of the remote control. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1025.45 1033.52 which later on is being, is being transferred to a infrared lamp which 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1007.66 1014.37 which is the, what we were talking about, this was is the device to recognise the signals the input 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1035.43 1050.46 then um of course shines infrared light onto the television which then will recognise what signal um it's getting and will do what you tell it. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1050.46 1050.97 Um 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1054.19 1056.39 So much for the the workings of the 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1057.67 1058.85 of the uh 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1059.96 1062.86 remote control itself. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1062.86 1072.06 Its job is to wait for you to press a key, then to translate that key press into infrared light signals, um that are received by the television. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1082.86 1083.57 Right. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1075.95 1078.71 The chip senses the connection and knows what button you pressed. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1083.57 1084.1 Pretty clear. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1078.71 1082.86 It produces a morse code line signal specific to that button. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1072.47 1075.95 When you press a key um you complete a specific connection. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1091.63 1096.33 The sensor in the T. V. can see the infrared light, and seeing the signal reacts appropriately. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1084.5 1091.63 Transistor amplifies the signal and then sends the m sends the signal to the L. E. D. which translates the signal into infrared light. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1104.52 1112.03 with the green greenish board is is what we what we saw in the first the first slide just flipped over. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1100.47 1104.52 Um the lower part of it, I don't know if you can see that properly 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1097.1 1100.47 This is the circuit board from the other side. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1121.22 1130.99 Um what you do is you have, don't have cables, but you have the connections actually in these in these lines on the on the board. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1115.78 1121.22 That's the cheapest uh way to make electronic connections basically on the market. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1112.74 1115.78 Um you can see the circuit board itself. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1137.51 1139.71 That then sends the signal to the chip on the other side. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1131.76 1134.98 These are the actual keys that are being pressed. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1139.71 1141.22 That would be behind here. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1134.98 1137.51 They close the electric circuit. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1141.22 1144.31 Um which uh sends it over to the transistors and all that stuff that 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1145.76 1149.66 amplify the signal and all that is being sent to the infrared lamp up there. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1157.63 1163.78 The rubber button has a little metal uh plate on the other side, which closes the circuit here. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1166.15 1168.23 Now this is the simple version. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1150.9 1154.65 Now as you can see this is the the rubber button version of it. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1163.78 1166.15 And thus gives on the signal. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1154.65 1157.63 Um the way it works is that you have the keys here. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1169.47 1179.36 Um we are talking um this this the simple and cheapest version at the same time. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1179.36 1185 We are talking something more complicated of course, it's going to be more expensive as well. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1185.93 1187.85 And not only that. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1198.78 1204.41 Um I've gotten some information that 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1187.85 1198.78 Um we are also restricted in the use of our outer shell, or in the material that we could use for our outer shell. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1206.16 1209.27 we could use for the case material plastic, 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1220.06 1224.97 Um we could also use wood, or titanium. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1217.13 1220.06 That would that would serve that purpose. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1212.49 1216.03 Um rubber that is used in these anti-stress balls. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1210.43 1212.49 rubber, as well. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1216.03 1217.13 So it's pretty squishy. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1217.01 1218.29 Spongy? 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1225.55 1234.24 What's the approximate per hundred thousand for the titanium? 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1231.13 1234.36 Oh fya I don't have an information on that. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1234.36 1243.15 However our company obviously can provide us with uh with the titanium, so I assume, I'm, I was given an okay to use it. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1243.15 1248.42 It certainly is an expensive material, I'm aware of that, but I was given an okay. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1253.17 1256.15 Now let's first go through the list with the materials. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1261.04 1262.22 Can also mix these. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1256.15 1261.04 So we what we can use is plastic, rubber, wood and titanium. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1249.63 1253.17 But there are certain restrictions to certain materials. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1271.97 1279.02 Um what we could use is, or what I was offered, or what we could use, is a basic bateer battery. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1279.02 1279.44 Right? 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1263.9 1271.97 Um as for the energy source, um we were talking about that shortly in the other meeting. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1281.74 1283.06 Uh a dynamo. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1284.25 1285.17 Interestingly enough. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1287.5 1289.96 Um we could use solar cells. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1299.97 1301.34 Where you just move them 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1291.65 1297.99 Or a device that was not n not further specified that provides kinetic energy. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1297.99 1299.97 Such as like watches you know. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1309.25 1312.2 So um obviously 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1302.61 1309.25 m move the the actual device and this pr uh provides it with with uh some energy. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1322.03 1325.62 Um solar cell is interesting. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1313.24 1318.11 I personally have to say that dynamo is out of the question really. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1318.11 1322.03 You don't wanna wind up your remote control before you can use it right? 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1325.62 1327.6 May fail though, every here and there. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1316.14 1316.78 Mm. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1330.15 1331.38 yeah. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1328.22 1330.15 Would you have to leave it by the window? 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1329.58 1330.16 Mm. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1331.13 1335.39 Or you know you lose it, it lies behind the couch for a week and yeah mm. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1330.16 1331.13 Yeah. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1333.85 1334.27 Yeah. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1336.47 1337.91 Always the you 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1336.55 1340.97 Works well in Arizona but in Edinburgh not so 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1338.65 1341.85 But exactly. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1348.45 1353.14 You leave it lying around and you first have to shake it before it it starts to work. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1341.85 1348.45 Um the kinetic energy thing um might work, um but the same problem. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1353.14 1357.43 So I'd say what we're stuck with really is um the basic battery. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1339.2 1340.74 Y probably not yeah. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1339.81 1340.04 Yeah. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1361.92 1363.01 We don't need that then. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1359.11 1361.92 Which also makes a base station basically obsolete. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1365.42 1366.08 Um 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1367 1368.03 However 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1370.27 1374.51 our interface options are push-buttons. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1374.51 1380.18 In which uh in the production of which or in manufacture of which um our company is expert. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1382.12 1383.3 Um 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1393.53 1394.81 Okay. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1391.49 1393.53 We have an okay for scroll wheels. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1394.81 1399.51 Um however when it comes to the scroll wheel of the iPod 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1385.6 1389.91 However we've discussed that scroll wheels are a better option. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1389.91 1391.49 And they are possible. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1411.86 1420.19 If you have a squishy uh kind of remote control, then an L. C. D. screen may be affected by the movement. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1401.03 1406.97 I've one big objection and that is that we have to fit an L. C. D. into the remote control as well. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1424.45 1425.4 So um 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1420.19 1424.45 Hence we might not be able to put it in there. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1406.97 1411.86 This however may exclude certain um materials. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1438.87 1443.27 um the chip has to be more s more sophisticated and thus more expensive as well. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1426.81 1431.12 There's also restrictions to, when it comes to the chip. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1431.12 1438.87 If we have a more sophistic uh sophisticated scroll wheel rather than this very basic uh set-up that we that I've just presented 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1443.27 1449.98 I don't have any details to, when it comes to the cost but um it will be a significant difference. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1462.25 1466.27 Um it limits our choice and squishy is hip, so I'd say 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1458.71 1462.25 So that's for the for the scroll wheel. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1451.28 1458.71 I'd rather say drop the titanium and therefore let's have a more sophisticated chip, but that's not up to me to decide really. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1490.02 1492.57 Or is anybody still alright. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1470.9 1480.1 Um um solar cells cannot be used on a curved or latex um surface or um remote control. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1470.2 1470.9 Let's see now. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1467.9 1470.2 rather not go for for that. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1480.1 1490.02 But obviously that's not our problem um since we have decided or against solar cells, I assume right? 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1489.87 1490.16 Mm. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1490.98 1491.48 Yeah. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1491.74 1494.8 No I think I think batteries are probably the way to go. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1492.99 1493.35 Hmm. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1492.35 1492.99 No. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1500.15 1500.88 Um 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1493.62 1495.82 Alright. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1495.82 1500.15 Uh which makes it very conventional but therefore traditional I assume. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1494.99 1495.22 Yeah. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1503.51 1504.3 Um 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1505.35 1513.76 With the titanium um we cannot make it a curved design. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1513.76 1516.03 We would just be able to make it flat and 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1523.34 1528.27 Which I assume would exclude uh some of the more sophisticated versions. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1519.14 1523.34 and um yeah a straight design pretty much. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1548.68 1551.44 So I don't know if that would still be possible to have you know in plastic. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1553.6 1554.8 Just all be sort of spongy. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1551.44 1553.6 But then where do people hold it? 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1534.32 1548.68 Would the sort of spongy and the the plasticky thing y you can get those mobile phones that initially have a it is plastic but then they have sort of a a s a cover on it which is just sort of soft and stuff. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1543.09 1544.01 Mm. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1544.01 1545.31 Like a covering. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1545.31 1545.97 Yeah. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1553.62 1554.31 Yeah. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1560.32 1563.67 The we can have the fruits and vegetables on the spongy parts, so they can remove it. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1577.18 1578.47 Like the iPod? 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1571.01 1577.18 So you as the the possibility of having a a graphical display on it, like a screen? 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1577.74 1579.68 You can have an L. C. D. screen. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1595.53 1596.96 Um latex 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1584.56 1589.42 So plastic yes, titanium yes, but this will of course influence the form. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1579.68 1583.98 Um but therefore no rubber will be used. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1583.98 1584.56 Alright? 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1589.42 1595.53 With plastic, as I understand it, you can use any form. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1582.99 1583.37 Right. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1598.94 1601.45 Or rubber and um 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1597.9 1598.94 is tricky. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1608.21 1615.63 So the way to go is if you want a scroll wheel you either make it flat and angular, uh add an L. C. D. screen, and um 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1603.78 1608.21 and titanium also seems to be tricky when it comes to the form. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1616.95 1621.56 then you can basically choose either plastic or titanium. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1623.45 1627.08 Um if you wanna make it a particular shape, use plastic. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1621.56 1623.45 Or wood even. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1621.2 1623.19 Yeah. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1632.36 1633.79 Or make it just push-buttons. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1638.44 1639.77 Maybe not the nicest feel. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1639.77 1641.84 Or not much originality really. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1633.79 1638.44 Basically plastic gives you the b biggest variety of of options. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1629.03 1632.36 Add an L. C. D. screen, add a scroll wheel, that'll be fine. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1629.04 1629.47 Yeah. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1644.65 1645.61 Or the rubbery we cannot? 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1640.63 1644.65 So the ru wait the rubbery we can shape it however we want? 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1646.28 1653.38 With rubber we could uh sh pretty much shape it the way we wanted it, but we cannot add scroll wheels, and we cannot add an L. C. D. screen. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1649.42 1649.63 'Kay. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1651.75 1652.2 Mm. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1653.5 1653.78 Mm. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1655.01 1657.2 Mm. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1656.07 1657.7 That's the tricky thing. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1686.42 1689.58 They wouldn't have any they're just on the exterior. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1689.58 1692.11 They wouldn't be necessary to the actual shape of the thing. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1672.9 1679.26 and then j just sort of that initial shape we had, just which is uh sort of banana-esque. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1681.41 1686.42 And um you know you just p stick on just sort of rubber things that that sort of grip the thumb bit. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1679.26 1681.41 So that's thing if we did it yellow. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1668.42 1672.9 Could we not you know have a shape with a scroll and the screen,
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1681.08 1681.49 Yeah. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1697.28 1702.81 Is that an option, a plastic shell with a rubbery coating on at certain spots? 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1715.18 1715.97 I assume. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1710.5 1715.18 Like say just the underside or so then it can be done. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1705.26 1707.08 Um yeah. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1701.29 1705.26 S Certainly can be done yes. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1715.97 1716.33 Yeah. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1707.08 1710.5 if that doesn't affect the functional side of it all. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1708.6 1708.88 Yeah. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1727.49 1729.04 So 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1731.01 1734.22 The fruit design um 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1736.52 1742.56 How about um affecting the surface of the actual um remote control? 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1744.12 1751.83 Say we don't make it p a particular fruit shape obviously, but uh give it like the surface of 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1746.8 1747.16 Mm. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1753.02 1754.94 an orange, banana, whatever. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1754.94 1755.47 You name it. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1755.96 1756.37 Mm. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1759.69 1763.38 T to the remote? 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1757.54 1759.69 What about a smell? 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1757.55 1758.83 Just design-wise. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1760.66 1761.11 Mm. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1761.11 1761.66 Nice one. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1764.63 1768.16 In different ye yellows. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1768.16 1769.9 I don't suppose we have to stick to co 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1762.36 1764.63 You could just sell it in different colours as well I suppose. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1766.46 1769.1 Bright citrus colours yeah. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1768.12 1768.19 Mm. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1774.86 1778.41 So what have we, lemon, banana, is 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1769.51 1774.86 Well we we're supposed to stick to the company colours though, that's yellow and grey. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1770.64 1771.94 Stick to the colours yeah. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1771.67 1772.53 Oh yeah. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1772.53 1773.57 Yellow and grey. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1773.85 1775.14 Yellow and grey. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1778.8 1780.67 Mm grapefruit. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1779.39 1780.05 Grapefruit. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1780.21 1785.07 Grapefruit is what we'd go for, when it comes to the outer appearance perhaps. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1788.86 1790.48 But mm. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1792.16 1802.42 I would say, if I were to make a decision, I would probably put the fruit aspect at the lower lower end of the spectrum of of importance. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1799.05 1799.36 Yeah. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1804 1804.72 Um 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1804.17 1807.6 I think having a shape could be a little ridiculous, like 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1807.54 1807.81 Yeah. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1811.11 1811.58 So 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1808.06 1811.11 Well we have it banana-shaped already, kind of. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1808.78 1810.81 Well we kinda do yeah. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1810.47 1810.79 Yeah. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1814.69 1822.87 Well perhaps the implied shape will be enough to lure that fruit-minded remote buyer. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1818.72 1819 Yeah. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1820.91 1822.38 And if it's yellow? 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1821.01 1826.75 and if it if it was done yellow, which is a company colour. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1823.25 1823.76 Right. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1825.92 1827.39 It's it's yellow. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1827.39 1828.31 It's curved. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1826.55 1827.46 I it's yellow. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1827.41 1828.69 Grey buttons yeah. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1829.36 1832.91 Well so why not add a couple of grey stripes and make it look like a banana? 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1834.79 1839.42 We could put the grey stripes on the bottom so that that person could turn it over. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1829.75 1834.79 It's sort of couple of couple of grey stripes. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1839.42 1841.76 It would look like a banana just sitting on their table. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1832.29 1833.53 Yeah. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1837.51 1840.27 On the the gr the rubbery grips could be grey. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1840.53 1840.92 Mm. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1841.99 1842.34 Yeah. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1842.54 1842.93 There you go. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1843.11 1848 Rather than rather th 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1849.98 1851.99 on the coffee table, and then people would always know where it was. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1845.19 1849.98 It could and then you could actually h put the banana-shaped thing on the fruit bowl,
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1849.59 1850.27 Oh. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1851.87 1856.27 Maybe the holder, if we were to have a holder, it could be shaped like a fruit. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1856.27 1862.64 Could be, it could be an ape or a fruit bowl. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1862.64 1864.9 Hey we could have a variety of options here. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1852.56 1853.65 Nice. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1853.65 1854.81 Could look like a fruit bowl. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1854.88 1862.4 It could be an ape. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1858.82 1859.06 Yeah. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1862.76 1863.01 Yeah. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1867.7 1868.02 'Kay. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1869.63 1869.88 Yeah. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1870.44 1872.76 Do you have more to your presentation? 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1872.72 1875.07 That's pretty much it. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1875.07 1882.97 I informed you about the materials, what the interior has to look like, and what the limitations to certain materials are on there you go. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1876.77 1876.96 Oh. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1883.17 1883.66 Okay. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1885.34 1886.69 If I could. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1883.66 1885.34 I'm gonna plug in here real quick. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1885.28 1885.65 Sure. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1885.65 1887.04 Hang on. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1887.04 1888.73 There you go. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1893.06 1895.33 Like I said we have to make a decision on 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1896.73 1899.75 a couple of these items here. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1899.75 1900.43 Um ow. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1900.43 1901.71 Ow. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1913.61 1916.51 So is the two piece idea out? 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1916.51 1917.48 Or have we not decided? 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1919.06 1920.05 Well we sort of 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1921.5 1924.69 rid of that because gonna use a battery. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1924.69 1926.34 And the base station might not be necessary. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1926.28 1927.48 Oh right okay. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1935.14 1942.44 but just have it be an optional either big remote with lots of functions, or you take out the smaller piece. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1942.44 1943.57 We can still do that. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1927.89 1935.14 Well we can still design a two-piece uh remote um without having a base, having one of them be a base station,
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1929.76 1930.57 Yeah. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 1934.8 1935.19 Yeah. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1941.24 1941.61 Mm. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1948.91 1955.65 So um which then, as I understand it, would probably limit the,
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1955.65 1960.53 limit again the the the use of certain materials, because they would be too expensive. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1944.17 1948.91 However of course this would be like designing two remotes pretty much. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1960.53 1966.76 Say like have a scroll wheel and uh on both of them, or have an L. C. D. screen and so on so on. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1966.76 1970.24 You'd probably have to stick rather with a just traditional rubber button 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1948.43 1948.88 Mm-hmm. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1966.68 1967.05 Mm. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1971.33 1972.58 design which we saw there. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 1972.66 1975.63 Mm. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 1975.66 1977.63 But could be done, of course. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1978.15 1980.45 Okay. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1980.45 1985.85 Uh so these are the decisions that we do need to make by the end of this meeting. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1985.85 1994.77 Um for our components concept we need to come up with the energy source, um the chip-on-print, and the case. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1999.01 2000.79 And probably a shape also. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 1995.79 1999.01 Probably case um material. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2008.72 2010.66 And what kind of supplements we'll have. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2001.85 2008.72 Um and then for the user interface concept we need to decide what the tape, what, what the type is. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2012.03 2012.63 Um 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2013.95 2021.54 Energy source I think we've, I think we've decided batteries, although not exciting, are probably our best bet. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 2021.91 2022.26 Right. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2022.79 2024.55 And we have five minutes. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 2034.32 2037.87 Uh if you want just a normal button version, the chip-on-print is gonna be 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 2030.7 2034.32 um the fancier the chip has to be and the more expensive. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 2024.89 2030.7 Okay when it comes to the chip-on-print, as I said, the the more advanced features you want 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 2036.84 2037.27 Mm. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 2040.19 2040.48 Right? 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 2039.05 2040.19 a cheap one. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2040.21 2040.54 'Kay. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2043.74 2044.61 So 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2050.17 2054.85 If we go with the plasticky case, or the the plastic case, um 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2046.49 2050.17 Um I guess we should pick the case then. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2060.28 2063.96 We could have a complex one or a a non-complex. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2056.55 2060.28 then the chip-on-print is still kind of, we could have either or. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2063.96 2069.46 But did we decide that the rubbery feel was important enough to us? 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 2063.76 2064.15 Yeah. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 2070.12 2072.4 Well what about what you said, like putting the 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 2071.62 2075.06 Just just maybe yeah. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 2075.06 2076.13 Just a little bit of. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 2073.42 2076.15 finger grips just on top of the plastic? 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2078.05 2081.21 So we would, we would have the L. C. D. screen? 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2077.01 2078.05 Okay. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 2082.61 2086.21 as long as the pla uh the rubber is nowhere near the controls, yes. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2086.6 2086.88 'Kay. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2090.48 2094.65 So I guess the case would be plastic, with 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2103.63 2105.98 It's more of a su it's more of a supplement maybe. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2100.14 2103.63 Perhaps that's not even enough rubber to qualify as being part of it. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 2103.75 2104.11 Yeah. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 2106.05 2106.46 Yeah. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 2106.19 2109.8 M more of a l lamination perhaps. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 2108.53 2109.04 Yeah. 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 2125.37 2127.96 So then for the scroll, are we going for the iPod type? 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 2129.21 2130.08 Yeah I think so. 
ES2016c H02 MEE063 2130.08 2130.13 I think 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 2130.04 2130.4 Yeah? 
ES2016c H03 FEE064 2130.4 2130.71 Okay. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2136.73 2141.08 Which will require a more expensive chip-on-print right? 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 2141.85 2142.38 Yes. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 2142.38 2142.86 It does. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2143.8 2144.3 So 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2143.46 2143.8 'Kay. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2213.1 2216.64 So we have a good idea of what we're gonna need to to do on this? 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2210.58 2213.1 I guess that, is that, is that about it? 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 2217.64 2217.86 Right. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2223.67 2225 Um 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2218.62 2223.67 Um okay so we will have another meeting in thirty minutes. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2228.46 2229.13 Um 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2226.89 2228.46 Here's what's gonna be going on. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2231.16 2236.46 Um Ryan you'll be working on the user interface design. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2236.46 2236.96 Um 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2238.73 2242.01 Manuel you'll be working on the look-and-feel design. 
ES2016c H01 MEO062 2242.48 2242.84 Right. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2246.4 2249.23 Corrine we'll want a product evaluation. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2251.46 2258.19 And the two of you get to play with the uh modelling components and uh 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2259.61 2262.32 maybe and and get us a prototype. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2264.37 2267.63 Which should go along well with your look-and-feel design and your interface. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2267.63 2276.08 So that basically just be working on the prototype, uh we'll accomplish your other two actions. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2297.9 2299.75 Alright. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2299.75 2301.71 Okay. 
ES2016c H00 MEE061 2301.71 2305.15 Let's do it. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 14.16 15.15 Yep. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 15.15 16 Soon as I 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 17.62 18.72 get this. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 27.93 30.31 Okay. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 30.31 32.01 This is our last meeting. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 57.48 61.73 Then we'll go through the finance and see if we fall within the budget. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 46.13 50.99 Um then we will um do an evaluation. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 50.99 57.48 Uh or we'll see what, what we need to have under the criteria for the evaluation. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 34.35 38.77 Um I'll go ahead and go through the minutes from the previous meeting. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 38.77 46.13 Uh and then we'll have a, the prototype presentation. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 62.05 70.73 Um then we'll do the evaluation, and then we can finish up after that with um any changes that we'll need to make 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 70.73 74.06 or hopefully everything will fall right in line. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 88.75 91.56 It was twice as important as anything else. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 91.56 95.36 Um they liked fruit and vegetables in the new styles. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 84.3 88.75 We had uh the fashion trends that people want a fancy look-and-feel. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 79.09 84.3 Um we looked at uh the the trends. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 74.54 79.09 Um let's see, minutes from the last meeting. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 109.46 117.81 Um then we looked at the uh the method for coming up with our own remote. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 117.81 121.52 Um looking at other other devices. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 104.47 109.46 Um they wanted limited buttons and simplicity. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 121.52 124.94 Um the iPod, we really liked the look of that. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 99.65 104.47 So we were talking about trying to incorporate those into our prototype. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 96.78 99.65 Um and a spongy feel. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 130.72 135.13 Um a two part remote, which was what were were originally looking at. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 148.22 151.61 But I think we've still decided not to go with that. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 135.13 148.22 Uh and then um there was talk of spee uh speech recognition um becoming more uh predominant and easier to use. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 125.56 130.72 Um we also had uh the kid's remote for a simple idea. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 151.61 154.28 Then we looked at the components um 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 159.85 165.25 um and made a decision on what we were going to use to make our remote. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 165.25 167.31 Um and basically 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 155.6 159.85 the materials for the case, the different energy sources, the different types of chips 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 169.35 171.82 how, what were making for the prototype. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 171.82 177.4 So I'm going to leave it at that and let you guys take over. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 178.69 180.39 The prototype discussion. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 181.62 182.85 Do you need a this? 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 180.5 181.62 The prototype yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 183.54 184.32 No. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 184.45 184.79 Okay. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 184.84 187.82 Can try to plug that in there but 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 185.89 189.15 There is our remo the banana. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 202 209.45 Um but it would be held in such a fashion, where it is, obviously it wouldn't be that floppy 'cause this would be hard plastic. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 194.81 202 Um working on the principle of a fruit which was mentioned, it's basically designed around a banana. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 189.15 194.81 Um yeah basically we we st went with the colour yellow. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 212.69 217.67 So that's so that would hopefully help with grip, or like the ergonomics of it. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 217.67 220.78 Um but all the controlling would be done with this scroll wheel. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 209.67 212.69 These would be like the rubber, the rubber grips. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 220.78 222.61 You have to use your imagination a little bit. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 222.61 226.38 And this here represents the screen, where you, where you'd go through. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 225.01 225.62 Very nice. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 244.72 248.5 That just represents the infrared uh beam. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 236.83 238.34 Volume up and down. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 243.74 244.72 It's that that simple. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 238.34 243.74 And then to access the more complicated functions you'd you sorta go, you press that and go through the menus. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 226.5 236.83 And the the simplest functions would be um almost identical to an iPod, where that one way ch through channels, that way th other way through channels. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 258.27 262.5 And um that's about it. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 254.01 258.27 T that blue bits should be yellow, d that that'd be where the batteries would be I suppose. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 248.98 250.85 That's a simple on and off switch. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 264.36 265.2 Is there anything you want to add? 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 250.85 254.01 Um I don't know, we could use the voice. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 262.5 264.36 It's as simple as you, we could make it really. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 265.33 266.41 That's what we have there. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 270.38 270.89 We might 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 264.7 265.33 Right. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 266.41 268.18 That's plastic. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 268.18 270.38 Plastic covered with rubber. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 277.63 281.88 I mean you're supposed to hold it like that, but um just if you grab it,
ES2016d H01 MEO062 288.52 290.48 Might as well think about 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 285.81 288.52 Exactly, use both. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 272.14 274.81 uh add some more underneath here. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 281.88 285.81 take it from somewhere, so yeah, you have some rub yeah. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 274.81 277.63 Maybe give it, give it a form. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 281.95 282.37 Yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 282.37 283.75 Doesn't make much make much difference. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 283.75 285.63 You could work left-handed or right-handed I suppose. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 282.77 283.47 Mm-hmm. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 289.35 293.04 T the actual thing might be smaller. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 293.04 293.32 Yeah. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 293.32 297.55 Like either put either one one on either side or 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 291.32 293.32 Th think about the button as well. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 298.2 299.52 What but what's that button? 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 298.58 299.88 not do it at all. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 299.88 301.33 It's a quick on-off button. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 301.33 302.16 That's um 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 299.51 300.33 Just the on and off. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 300.39 300.95 Uh, 'kay. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 305.08 306.38 So you don't have to fiddle with that. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 303.3 305.08 yeah I think it's pretty important. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 307.43 307.87 'Kay. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 307.81 308.66 Right? 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 316.43 316.79 There you go. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 308.66 313.87 Um that's not um I'd say a bit smaller would probably be nice. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 313.87 316.43 You wanna play with that over there. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 313.83 314.32 Yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 316.92 319.87 It's you know it's flimsy 'cause it's made out of heavy Play-Doh, but 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 319.35 320.28 Would you like to uh 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 319.64 320.2 Right. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 320.85 321.7 Pretty impressive. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 323.04 323.89 Well done. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 326.75 327.75 Kind of a banana. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 328.65 332.93 And whether or not it would fall into the cost everything I suppose. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 332.93 335.15 With the scroll and the L. C. D. . 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 336.34 338.85 Well luckily we are going to find out. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 341.83 346.51 Um do you have a marketing presentation for us. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 340.01 341.83 Or not luckily. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 341.57 345.5 I do. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 351.71 353.44 Okay. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 353.44 357.76 You guys are gonna help me do an evaluation of the criteria. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 359.49 360.06 Um. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 379.95 380.52 Okay. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 394.24 397.01 And then we will calculate the average score to see how we did. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 390.58 394.24 And then we'll do a group evaluation of the prototype. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 381.8 385.61 So first I'll just discuss some of the criteria that I found. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 385.61 390.58 Just based on the past trend reports that I was looking at earlier. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 397.8 408.25 Um so the criteria we're gonna be looking at are the complaints um that we heard from the users who were interviewed earlier. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 408.25 409.32 So 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 413.68 417.5 we're gonna be doing it based on a seven point scale. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 429.11 432.03 With seven being false, we did not achieve that. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 422.68 429.11 And one is going to mean true, that we did actually achieve that. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 439.52 439.96 Okay. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 441.43 451.7 So for the first one, we need to decide, did we solved the problem of the users who complained about an ugly remote? 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 455.58 460.91 So if they think that what is out there is ugly, then yes I would say, I would say most definitely. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 460.91 461.71 It's bright. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 452.31 455.58 I think it's definitely different than anything else out there. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 453.19 453.35 Mm. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 454.51 455.17 Yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 459.1 459.73 I would. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 461.76 462.25 It's bright. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 462.25 462.86 It's 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 463.03 464.72 It still has your traditional black. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 464.96 465.82 It's curved. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 465.82 467.14 It's not there's no sharp 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 468.31 469.08 angles to it. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 468.85 470.15 Yep, not angular. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 470.8 470.93 Mm. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 480.49 483.46 However the colour, we don't have a say in that. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 471.37 480.49 I'd say, when it comes to the ergonomics, the form and stuff, yes that's definitely more beautiful than your average. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 482.19 484.63 Yeah I think the colours detract a little bit. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 484.86 485.06 Yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 483.92 484.86 Some people might say it. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 487.29 492.64 So uh to answer that honestly I would rather say like uh,
ES2016d H01 MEO062 484.42 487.29 That has been, that has been dictated pretty much by the company. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 492.64 499.31 we have not solved the problem completely with the ugly remote because the colour is ugly, definitely. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 506.27 506.57 But 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 500.39 506.27 I mean I much prefer something like brushed chrome with that form. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 499.31 500.39 'S nothing you can say about that. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 486.28 487.1 Mm. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 487.63 488.35 That's true. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 488.07 488.9 Yep. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 495.28 495.81 Yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 498.43 498.75 Yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 504.81 505.1 Yeah. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 507.36 511.73 Yeah something more modern to go a a modern colour to go with the modern form. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 509.33 509.79 Right. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 512.29 512.79 It's different. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 512.79 514.59 You don't want your uh 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 511.9 512.29 Right. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 515.79 523.6 three feet huge L. C. D. dis display in your living room that's hanging from the wall to be controlled with something like that. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 525.64 528.51 Um okay so, do you think, since we 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 529.17 533.85 This was a a sign criteria, do you think maybe we should put it somewhere in the middle then? 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 533.85 535.64 Does that sound good? 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 534.14 534.53 Yeah. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 535.57 535.89 Yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 535.78 536.21 Yeah. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 537.23 537.94 What do you think? 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 538.22 538.64 Four? 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 537.94 538.22 Three? 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 540.88 541.96 I would say 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 540.91 543.84 Five? 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 543.84 544.54 Four is fair. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 544.54 544.89 Okay. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 543.34 545.02 four. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 543.97 546.3 Yeah. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 546.11 547.16 Very non-committal, four. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 550.45 553.26 Did we make it simple for new users? 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 547.58 550.45 Okay, the second one. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 554.48 556.75 It's very intuitive, I think yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 556.95 557.24 Yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 557.24 560.63 I think that was the main aim, one of the main aims that we had. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 558.62 561.58 S give it a one. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 561.84 563.32 One, 'kay. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 562.37 562.6 Yeah. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 567.09 571.63 Um, do the controls now match the operating behaviour of the users? 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 565.89 567.09 Okay. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 573.55 579.89 'Cause we've we've brought it down to basically four controls most common, which are channel and volume. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 579.89 585.66 And then the other ones are just a matter of just going, just scrolling further. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 585.66 585.9 Yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 572.88 573.55 Uh yeah. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 573.5 574.24 I'd say that 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 577.73 578.1 Right. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 578.07 578.55 Mm-hmm. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 584.01 586.11 S scrolling through and selecting a few. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 586.29 586.76 Right. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 588.98 591.04 Yeah? 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 587.94 588.98 So one? 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 588.22 588.87 So that's a one. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 589.29 590.15 I think that's a one. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 592.65 593.11 Okay. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 596.89 600.44 Okay um the fourth one. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 603.33 604.8 One of the number one complaints. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 600.44 603.33 How about the problem of a remote being easily lost? 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 604.16 606.95 Something that big and that yellow you just don't lose anymore. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 614.92 618.32 That, we could maybe just use that solely for the the finding thing. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 607.54 608.51 It's bright yellow. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 610.23 614.92 But um if we were to, if we were, that, the speech recognition. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 618.32 620.25 That was what we'd we'd mentioned. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 606.01 607.54 Yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 608.51 610.23 Bright yellow's hard to lose. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 606.04 610.35 Whether you want to or not, you're not gonna lose it. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 619.85 623.72 So if we incorporate speech recognition into it then it could 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 632.9 634.22 That's gonna be a difficult shape to 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 625.12 629.05 But like I said, like I don't think you'd lose something so yellow so easily. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 629.05 632.9 And it's not gonna fall, like a rectangle would slip down behind things. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 622.98 625.12 Just just to use, to find it when it was lost. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 626.2 626.42 Oops. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 629.25 629.33 Hmm. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 635.15 636.48 Well what 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 635.65 637.49 And it is quite bright and 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 636.94 638.3 Yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 638.3 640.14 Maybe in the middle again, three or four or something? 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 640.54 640.88 S 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 640.79 641.03 Okay. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 640.91 641.43 Uh 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 641.75 646.17 I mean you know loo losing things is one of those things that people can lose, I mean a million ways. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 646.17 648.21 You can pick it up and walk away with it and then you've lost it. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 645.16 645.47 Yeah. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 648.34 648.79 That's true. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 648.59 648.92 Mm. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 649.76 654.77 But if we do go with the, with the speech recognition, then it, then our scale goes up quite a bit I think. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 650.12 650.36 Mm. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 654.29 654.91 Oh yeah. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 654.91 656.51 You probably 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 654.9 655.58 Yeah. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 657.5 662.97 If we eliminate the fact that you know it's impossible to guarantee that it's not gonna be lost then 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 656.9 657.5 You know. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 655.51 656.9 Probably two. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 662.37 662.79 Yeah. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 663.22 663.56 Mm. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 664.4 665.07 I'd say two. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 668.91 672.52 With the speech recognition, which of course may 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 673.53 675.4 be changed depending on budget. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 675.71 676.18 Yeah. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 676.74 680.04 Y you could add an extra feature actually. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 681.17 682.29 Which makes this thing 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 683.62 686.9 raise hell when you remove it too far from the television. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 687.45 687.69 Yeah. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 689.87 693.67 We could add that but that's nothing we have thought of so far. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 693.08 697.13 Which, which may be cheaper than speech recognition if it were just a 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 696.02 696.86 Yes. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 697.11 697.7 Yeah true. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 701.1 701.8 So it can't be that 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 700.58 701.1 They're cheap. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 697.7 700.58 But I mean d just those whistling, clapping key rings you have. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 699.51 700.02 Yeah. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 697.73 699.51 Annoying alarm or something? 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 699.56 701.06 It's it's 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 711.86 712.88 That can't cost much. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 702.49 711.86 Um the it's based on this anti anti-theft technology for suitcases and stuff, where you have one piece that's attached to your luggage, another piece that starts beeping. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 703.91 704.46 expensive. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 705.36 707.3 Some sort of proximity 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 705.73 706.18 Yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 713.01 713.24 Yeah. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 714.01 718.4 So that can also easily be integrated because these things are small enough to to hide,
ES2016d H01 MEO062 718.4 724.17 so you have one piece, you have to glue somewhere behind your stick it behind your T. V. and the other 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 720.65 723.4 stick it on the T. V. . 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 724.7 729.75 Pray that you don't accidentally lose that piece. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 735.42 737.82 Ran off with it without taking the beautiful remote control. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 730.41 735.42 Well also your remote would uh alarm you if somebody stole you t your television, yeah. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 728.93 730.41 That'd be tough then. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 727.57 728.93 Right. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 738.07 740.04 Yeah. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 741.96 743.22 Are we adding one of these 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 740.71 741.96 So. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 744.42 745.26 two features? 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 745.26 746.78 gonna say okay. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 745.13 749.24 Let's add one of those features and say yes. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 747.4 747.72 Okay. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 750.85 751.33 Two, 'kay. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 749.93 750.85 Or a two? 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 747.99 749.93 So we're back to a one? 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 750.34 750.69 Two. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 750.73 751.33 Two. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 751.05 751.21 Two. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 753.15 753.84 Okay. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 753.84 756.36 Are we technologically innovative? 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 758.64 759.2 Uh 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 760.49 763.23 Uh don't get many mo remote controls with 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 759.06 760.49 I'd say so. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 761.97 762.86 It's all just 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 764.9 765.62 screens on. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 765.86 775.62 It's all just stolen technology when it comes down to right right right right. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 766.91 768.47 Yeah it's stolen technology. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 768.47 769.36 But we have. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 766.96 768.5 From iPod yeah. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 767.82 768.75 It's 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 770.07 773.46 But there's not a lot of yellow, there's not a lotta yellow. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 773.46 776.38 Course that wasn't really we were kinda forced to take that colour. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 770.17 771.97 But for remotes yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 773.51 773.67 Fa 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 777.79 779.01 Two? 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 779.01 779.27 Three? 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 782.07 782.68 No maybe not. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 779.89 782.07 'cause it's stolen. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 780.44 783.6 I don't know that we are that innovative, to tell you the truth. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 782.62 783.61 Yeah not really. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 783.91 786.25 But how many remotes do you see like this? 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 786.25 787.17 Not so many. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 786.45 792.41 If we added the screaming factor then we go up. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 792.41 795.81 Um I would say we're probably at four. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 791.98 792.45 Right. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 801.53 803.26 Um spongy material? 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 795.97 796.53 Really? 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 796.53 798.61 Okay. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 800.76 801.53 Okay. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 798.61 800.76 That's gonna hurt us. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 803.68 806.63 Yeah well you have that, kind of, sort of. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 804.53 805.75 We have some spongy, yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 805.16 808.77 Yeah as much as as needed, I think. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 811.59 811.99 'Kay. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 812.74 813.99 It's not a one though. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 813.99 815.21 One would be the whole thing 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 813.92 814.34 No. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 815.38 815.78 Yeah. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 815.78 822.59 Because it's only got what, these parts are the grips and perhaps the back side the bottom the underneath on the back. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 816.65 817.79 to fold and stuff. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 821.1 821.47 Yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 822.1 822.53 Yeah. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 823.19 825.67 So that's a four at most. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 824.67 826.59 Probably a four at most. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 829.05 833.64 And lastly, did we put the fashion in electronics? 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 829.13 830.32 Possibly even a five. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 836.75 837.25 More 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 835.06 836.75 Y yes. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 835.97 837.27 I'd say we did. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 836.03 836.26 Yeah. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 836.67 841.01 If your fashion is b is Carmen Miranda, you betcha. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 839.46 841.03 Yeah. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 841.3 850.34 Well the recent fashion is rather displayed in the in the L. C. D. and the way you operate it than the form and the colour, but it definitely is 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 844.62 845.28 On the 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 846.01 846.46 It's true. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 847.52 848.05 Yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 850.05 852 Be what we were told, and they'd say yeah, definitely. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 852.68 852.97 'Kay. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 861.16 864.37 Six eight twelve sixteen. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 857.03 861.16 Now we just gotta calculate. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 854.36 857.03 Alright. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 866.23 867.93 Seventeen divided by s 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 870.23 871.21 Seven is 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 871.37 871.45 Eight. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 872.85 873.67 Two point 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 881.68 883.39 two point four? 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 884.99 885.05 No. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 882.87 884.99 Is that some long division? 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 885.5 887.11 Well I haven't done math in years. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 885.73 886.13 Something. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 889 892.17 What two I dunno. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 892.36 894.49 Just, I'm sure there's a. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 893.55 895 Okay we'll say two point four two. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 896.73 897.12 Right? 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 898.43 899.29 How does that look? 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 900.58 901.18 I'm impressed. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 901.18 905.32 I can't do that without a calculator. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 902.29 905.36 It's been a while. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 902.35 905.13 No I can't do long very impressive. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 910.85 913.57 And what what is the acceptable criteria? 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 916.08 918.19 Is there like a scale that we have to hit? 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 918.97 920.05 They just told me to 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 918.1 918.97 Oh no. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 921.21 925.51 pick my own criteria and have you guys evaluate it basically. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 926.89 927.84 Alright then. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 930.87 931.72 So that's that. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 935.07 935.65 Okay. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 935.65 938.37 Well, let's see. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 942.87 944.85 You didn't know that you were gonna have a budget. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 939.57 942.87 Now we get to do the budget numbers. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 947.5 948.09 But we do. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 951.47 952.31 Okay. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 951.98 952.07 Yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 954.3 955.81 You'd been going a long time dividing that. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 952.07 954.3 Yeah so. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 955.81 957.94 It's two point four two eight five se it just keeps going on. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 957.97 958.73 Oh my god. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 958.73 959 Okay. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 959.07 960.32 Two point four two basically. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 960.92 961.93 Yeah we'll go with that. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 963.06 967.42 Fifty percent, you're kidding. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 967.42 969.33 P 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 963.17 964.3 Not too shabby. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 963.27 965.32 So I have here an 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 966.83 967.24 Yeah. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 970.69 972.46 Oh you can't really see that very well. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 968.41 970.69 We want a fifty percent profit on this. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 972.2 974.49 Charge about three hundred quid for it. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 978.64 979.87 Okay, so 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 974.51 978.64 Twelve and a half Euros is what supposed to cost us. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 980.8 981.43 It's too much. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 982.45 984.22 Well let's see. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 984.22 984.94 The f the 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 983.13 983.89 Um 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 985.78 987.25 Wonder if I can make this 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 991.84 992.5 Uh 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 992.84 993.31 What the 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1003.01 1004.47 Oh it won't let me do that. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1007.06 1007.7 Okay. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1017.85 1022.25 There's uh four, five, six categories. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1022.25 1026.1 We have energy source, electronics, case. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1010.01 1013.98 Alright so at top, I don't know if you guys can read that or not. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1013.98 1017.85 I can't 'cause I don't have my glasses on, but so we've got the energy source. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1026.1 1032.68 Then we have case material supplements, interface type, and then button supplements. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1018.67 1019 Battery. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1033.88 1034.83 Okay so 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1035.9 1038.96 Uh first of all energy source, we picked battery. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1040.09 1043.44 Um and how many batteries do we think this will probably take? 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1043.44 1043.78 Probably 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1044.84 1046.33 some e either two or four. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1047.46 1047.83 Two. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1048.08 1048.32 Two? 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1051.31 1053.36 Like it. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1055.92 1057.48 People can change it every month. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1052.67 1055.92 At four it's gonna be too heavy, so that that's not our problem. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1057.53 1062.1 Excellent. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1058.31 1062.78 They won't know until after they bought it. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1064.03 1065.99 This is consumerism. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1065.99 1076.53 Alright so for the electronics our choices are simpl simple chip-on-print, regular chip-on-print, advanced chip-on-print, sample sensor, sample speaker. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1077.46 1078.77 We're advanced chip are we? 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1078.7 1080.39 That's the advanced chip-on-print, yeah. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1080.76 1082.65 'Kay, we have one of those. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1086.83 1089.51 'Kay then the case is a 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1090.4 1092.17 Probably it's double curved. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1091.36 1092.63 Double curved, yes. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1097.28 1100.8 Case materials are plastic. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1099.17 1099.95 Plastic. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1107.15 1108.59 Is that right or is it just one? 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1102.84 1107.15 Um I guess it's two, since one for the top, one for the bottom. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1106.56 1108.88 N no. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1108.88 1109.93 No that's just one. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1109.4 1110.84 Maybe it's one because of the 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1111.49 1114.33 It's just one mo single mould, we can do that. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1114.21 1114.58 'Kay. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1114.36 1114.95 Yeah yeah. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1115.2 1116.79 Right. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1117.01 1121.18 I guess it doesn't matter 'cause the price on that one is zero, which is nice. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1121.18 1122.27 Special colour? 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1119.43 1120.77 Exactly, right. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1119.81 1120.17 Oh. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1124.61 1127.36 It's a specially ugly colour, but it's not special. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1122.98 1124.61 That's not a special colour. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1124.32 1125.35 Bright yellow. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1125.96 1129.71 Interface type. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1129.71 1136.78 We have pushbutton, scroll-wheel interface, integrated scroll-wheel pushbutton, and an L. C. D. display. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1130.05 1130.41 S 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1132.63 1133.81 S 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1135.02 1135.63 That's 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1136.88 1137.24 Yeah. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1138.63 1141.95 So we actually have the L. C. D. display 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1142.29 1142.84 And then 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1143.04 1145.14 and then is it the integrated or is it 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1144.43 1145.55 I'd say the integrated. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1145.55 1147.05 Yes unfortunately. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1146 1146.58 Yeah. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1152.21 1156.42 Um special form? 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1156.42 1157.72 Special material. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1149.61 1150.35 Button supplement? 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1150.35 1152.21 Special colour? 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1149.09 1149.61 'Kay. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1151.49 1151.73 Mm. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1158.45 1162.25 We could of course make the buttons wood. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1162.25 1163.6 Say mahogany or so 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1167.03 1167.42 Yeah. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1164.15 1167.03 It'd look really lovely. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1167.27 1168.33 They cost us all the same. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1166.22 1167.27 Or titanium. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1166.34 1167.72 Mm-hmm or titanium. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1167.7 1169.61 remote control. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1168.79 1169.84 Uh just 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1169.11 1176.13 Well we only have one button so really we shouldn't be charged, we shouldn't be charged anything for the the button supplements. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1172.52 1173.38 No that's getting a bit 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1174.29 1174.71 tiny. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1177.2 1177.69 Um 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1177.98 1178.34 Yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1178.34 1179.07 I'd ignore that. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1179.99 1180.65 Leave it blank. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1186.27 1189.68 So our total is fifteen point five. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1180.89 1181.69 Okay. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1181.69 1186.27 We're gonna leave that one blank because we run on a L. C. D. and scroll. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1191.33 1193.68 Which I believe is 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1192.36 1193.2 Yeah that's too much. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1194.92 1196.82 by three Euros over. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1198.34 1199.45 It's hard to believe. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1201.54 1205.25 So we'll go for the hand dynamo huh? 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1207.79 1212.56 So the only thing better than um a banana-shaped remote is one that you shake. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1209.88 1210.21 If it w 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1221.45 1223.99 I suppose the L. C. D. C. display's the one that's pushing it up a bit though. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1212.63 1216.15 What if we completely took out the the one single button we've got on. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1219.88 1221.45 And the L. C. D. display. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1216.15 1219.88 And just had a scroll wheel interface. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1227.51 1228.54 Yeah 'cause the 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1229.65 1231.68 Well 'cause we have to have both right? 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1231.86 1232.24 Yeah. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1245.32 1247.53 So s yeah let's take away the 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1233.5 1238.08 I mean let's let's face it, it also depends on the software on the on the television. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1238.08 1245.32 You can have the the information that this thing transmits be being displayed on the on the screen. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1237.28 1237.65 Yeah. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1244.75 1245.17 Mm-hmm. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1246.74 1253.29 Yeah you could maybe take out the L. C. D. dis display even, if it if it comes up on the computer itsel on the T. V. itself. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1249.39 1249.71 Yeah. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1248.83 1249.39 Yeah. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1253.73 1254.03 Right. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1254.36 1256.36 So we may not need the L. C. D. display? 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1256.42 1257.83 Uh that is possible yeah. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1259.22 1260.39 Right. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1260.39 1261.18 We may not need it. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1265.01 1265.76 There you go. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1265.76 1266.13 Perfect. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1265.64 1266.64 Well there we go. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1266.64 1267.55 Twelve point five. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1266.18 1266.55 There we go. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1266.31 1267.56 Perfect. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1269.93 1270.32 Okay. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1271.7 1275.12 So we just remove our 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1275.5 1276.66 Screen. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1277.88 1279.02 Easier to use. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1279.02 1280.18 Even easier to use then. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1276.66 1277.88 Make it a bigger dial. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1276.1 1277.05 screen here. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1281.63 1288.31 Okay, the 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1282.72 1286.01 Besides look at what the L. C. D. does to our lovely remote. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1287.85 1289.84 Back to the design room boys. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1289.94 1290.8 So we can just 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1292.1 1295.63 take away a heck of a lot of the there you go. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1299.38 1301.1 Oh that's just yeah. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1297.62 1299.38 central? 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1297.65 1299.24 What's the blue part? 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1299.24 1300.96 Oh that's the batteries. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1300.96 1302.6 Okay. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1298.59 1301.72 That was just we ran out of yellow. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1303.94 1305 There you go. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1305 1305.22 Oops. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1304.35 1305.29 There you go. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1305.29 1305.98 Even simpler. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1308.13 1309.2 Looks more like a banana. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1309.69 1310.91 Yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1310.91 1312.52 For all those fruit lovers out there. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1311.57 1312.57 One more criteria. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1311.22 1311.57 There you go. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1321.82 1323.39 Now it's yes. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1314.41 1319.31 Okay so the costs under twelve point five Euro. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1320.08 1321.82 We redesigned it. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1336.16 1336.73 Um 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1323.39 1325.79 Next slide. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1325.79 1327.48 Project evaluation. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1327.48 1336.16 Uh project process, satisfaction with, for example, room for creativity, leadership, teamwork, means, new ideas found. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1319.31 1320.08 Was no. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1321.65 1322.22 Yeah. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1339.09 1340 So 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1343.59 1345.6 I guess that 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1348.11 1348.75 Let's see here. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1368.03 1368.54 But 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1363.84 1368.03 I think that perhaps the project evaluation's just supposed to be completed by me. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1369.43 1370.85 I'd like to hear your thoughts. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1371.86 1382.15 Fair enough. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1377.07 1381.24 Trying to fill in some time there. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1382.22 1384.84 Uh h what did you think of our project process? 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1387.96 1390.6 I think we did yeah I think we did quite well. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1390.6 1391.55 Um 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1388.19 1388.78 Great. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1390.03 1390.47 Yeah. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1390.69 1391.09 Good. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1390.9 1394.53 Good teamwork. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1391.75 1393.7 Just half a day, you have a remote. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1393.7 1394.52 There you go. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1393.68 1394.82 Yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1394.82 1395.99 Right from the start of the day. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1397.31 1398.24 Yeah I think 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1397.69 1399.76 We sort of knew where we were going straight away I thought. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1402.33 1404.87 Our leadership was quite weak in the beginning. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1404.87 1407.95 Um um 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1398.69 1402.33 we st we started off a little little weak. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1409.13 1412.96 But as the day went along we had more idea of what we were doing. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1414.34 1417.04 Um room for creativity? 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1417.04 1418.37 There was that. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1418.37 1419.05 Um I 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1419.97 1422.23 think we tried a lotta different things and um 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1423.54 1432.56 I think it was um interesting as you guys brought up more um information and studies that we were right on with a lot of those things. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1433.75 1436.49 Um you guys worked together well as a team. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1436.49 1438.7 And um the means? 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1440.21 1442.27 Which was the whiteboard and the pens. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1440.4 1441.33 Yeah. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1441.33 1442.19 We've used the whiteboard. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1442.61 1443.41 Super super. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1443.8 1448.56 I had some problem with the pen I think, but minus your p 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1445.6 1447.81 Minus your PowerPoint fiasco. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1446.89 1449.17 Well that's not my fault. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1449.17 1454 That's obviously the people I work for uh that work for me, uh they've just you know 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1449.99 1451.99 I'm yeah. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1449.3 1449.99 No I know. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1451.99 1455.23 Incom 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1451.21 1451.97 Well 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1455.47 1456.9 Heads are gonna roll, believe me. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1455.55 1458.78 Have a we have a list of employees that you would like fired. 
ES2016d H01 MEO062 1459.1 1459.95 Yes yes. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1460.43 1460.97 Okay. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1463.21 1463.93 Um 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1460.97 1463.21 N new ideas found? 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1465.66 1466.22 Kinda. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1464.47 1465.66 Mm. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1468.09 1470.54 Maybe no not f for 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1466.79 1468.09 Yes for the remote. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1471.02 1472.07 Technology used. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1472.09 1472.76 technology. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1475.26 1476.21 Alright. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1477.35 1479.13 Costs are within the budget. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1476.21 1477.35 Closing. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1479.13 1480.76 Project is evaluated. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1486.51 1486.98 That's it. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1482.84 1486.51 Um complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary. 
ES2016d H02 MEE063 1487.28 1487.76 Excellent. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1490.7 1493.87 And I still have to do my minutes for the last meeting. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1498.94 1499.39 Actually. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1502.21 1504.14 Um so there will probably be another 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1506.73 1507.89 questionnaire coming up. 
ES2016d H03 FEE064 1509.57 1511.76 We might have a while though. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1509.99 1515.45 And then we'll have to check with the main boss whether we can, what goes on after that. 
ES2016d H00 MEE061 1515.45 1516.6 But that's the end of our meeting. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 37.25 38.01 Okay. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 38.71 40.89 Or you get it. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 40.89 41.34 Okay. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 44.93 51.42 No I don't think so it has to be like that yeah and you have to adjust the length. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 70.02 72.86 Okay, and then. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 92.24 97.48 So we uh we will wait for Anna, a few minutes. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 96.02 99.02 Yeah, s yeah, um. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 105.45 108.24 Yours is well 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 104.96 105.45 Mm. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 110.91 113.13 I think you can put anywhere you want, actually. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 114.31 116.41 Yeah but the the mic should not 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 114.49 114.73 I thin 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 116.89 118.65 It's not a directional mic, anyway. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 122.88 126.94 I think it should work like this. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 126.94 133.43 So I will try to get my presentation running. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 126.4 126.88 Uh. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 133.07 134.12 Yeah. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 133.51 134.26 Yeah. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 138.26 138.75 Mm. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 141.52 141.97 Mm. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 141.97 142.97 Can't help you with that. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 143.38 144.61 Last. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 144.84 147.15 It's no matter. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 144.85 145.79 Okay, it's y yeah. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 148.97 149.33 No problem. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 150.61 151.6 Ah yes. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 154.37 154.61 Right. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 158.83 159.63 Okay. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 161.88 163.89 Then press uh al 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 165.23 165.59 Okay. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 165.37 166.36 This. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 166.36 166.72 You know? 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 166.09 167.57 I don't know. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 167.57 168.13 Just try. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 169.27 169.47 'Kay. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 169.96 171.16 On this normal 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 170.19 170.87 Oh oh. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 171.11 172.43 Alt F. five. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 174.1 174.96 Good. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 174.96 176.95 Doesn't appear on the screen here. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 179.28 181.42 Right well 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 183.66 183.87 Oh. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 186.39 188.8 It's working. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 184.08 185.64 Wow. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 185.64 186.39 Amazing. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 189.32 191.7 Thank you. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 188.04 189.32 Okay. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 191.7 192.49 Uh. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 208.3 208.68 Hold that. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 212.93 215.12 Yes and you can put can clip it uh on your 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 213.26 213.44 Okay. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 216.44 216.87 Somewhere. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 217.54 217.97 Mm. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 216.64 217.54 Okay. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 224.47 226.35 So, good morning, everyone. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 227.6 227.98 Um 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 229.22 233.5 Welcome at uh at the kick off meeting of our uh latest project. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 233.5 235.93 I hope you all have been uh updated about it. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 236.98 237.34 Yeah. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 238.52 239.02 Good. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 239.76 239.89 Yes. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 238.76 239.76 So. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 255.03 257.58 See what our roles are in this project. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 247.91 255.03 Um after the opening we will tr get acquainted to each other. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 240.34 247.91 So w we will try to structure this uh meeting with an a with an agenda uh as presented here. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 258.77 260.32 So, um 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 262.14 266.27 We have been provided with uh some uh w technical tools to uh 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 267.89 276.2 to communicate and to well, learn from each other's plans uh as I can say um so w 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 277.52 279.29 we will also try to uh 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 293.77 300.17 You all know I hope how it's about uh the uh new r remote control we are going going to design. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 288.56 293.77 Um then we will come to the uh to the to the actual project plan. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 281.27 288.56 to get acquainted to this tools so they are also new to me I don't know whether you worked with them before. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 298.36 298.6 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 299.33 299.98 Total. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 301.7 307.27 Uh then we will uh discuss uh, well, how it should be and uh 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 313.45 319.1 And uh well then uh after some twenty five minutes I hope uh we can end this meeting. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 309.62 313.45 wh what uh what our new product should look lite like. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 323.83 329.95 Um basically this is about a uh a new c remote control. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 322.58 323.83 So. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 329.95 331.24 Um 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 350.37 352.04 So it needs to be trendy. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 352.04 355.85 I mean trendy is what people want, so then I w they will buy our product. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 334.07 339.99 We When you design a new product you of uh you of course want it to be original. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 339.99 342.62 Be uh we want to be distinguished, mm? 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 342.62 350.37 People uh want to uh when they look at the shelf want to think, well that's the product I I need. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 357.68 369.12 But then, uh, it also should work uh user friendly and uh otherwise people uh uh well it will not be uh 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 370.58 373.68 be rated very well in consumer uh articles and like that. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 390.67 391.56 Um 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 378.66 390.67 So, the general outline of uh new project will be we first uh go through a functional design phase. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 392.96 400.23 You all get uh um certain task uh in this uh in this phase and uh 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 405.76 408.81 And the same holds for the uh 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 401.41 405.76 then we will meet again and uh discuss this functional design. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 409.75 413.26 ph two phases uh after this, the conceptual design 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 414.71 423.98 and after that a a more detailed design in which the the final project should get its definite shape. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 426.45 429.45 Alright, but first we will do some uh tool training. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 431.25 435.64 In all in front of you uh you see uh the uh 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 436.71 439.85 notebooks and w uh n note blocks and we have here a 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 441.54 443.39 a a a white-board. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 442.8 443.41 Whitebo 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 443.55 443.74 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 454.57 458.96 I didn't find out yet how it work, but maybe one of you did, so 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 445.88 454.57 And um well it should work uh I've read it from my uh from some colleague that it should work with some kind of toolbar. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 460.4 460.83 Um 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 461 463.1 Under documents in the shared folder. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 463.1 463.33 Okay. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 464.26 465.55 Yes. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 467.41 471.17 I I I'm not fully updated about this shared folder uh. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 465.55 467.41 Do Do we have to say something about that? 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 476.57 478.41 And uh, yeah. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 472.5 476.57 Yeah, I guess we'll have a shared folder uh with documents that we can share. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 478.02 482.05 Yes well we will then find out ho how it works. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 482.66 483.05 Yes. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 483.65 484.27 Um. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 486.42 490.47 Well, this seems to me, yes, some computer program but I didn't find it yet. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 492 493.83 So, we'll come to that later. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 495.3 500.32 So, uh now we will try out the white-board we have here. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 502.29 502.68 So, 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 504.97 507.26 I would suggest uh 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 507.51 508.51 Each of us is going. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 517.07 521.54 I I'm not really sure how this works, but 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 508.8 517.07 Well, yes, um we uh we should try to t to draw on it and then well it should be smart some way. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 521.19 522.32 Okay, shall I start? 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 522.77 523.15 Yeah. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 522.34 522.77 Mm. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 522.47 524.08 Yeah, you can start it you know. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 522.85 524.92 Yes, a good idea Mael. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 524.13 528.7 I think for us it's just like a normal whiteboard, but they'll be recording what we write down. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 527.85 528.72 So, i 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 528.85 530.24 No they will record through that. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 530.24 533.76 There's a sensor over there which is going to record the strokes that you make. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 532 532.15 Mm. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 531.12 532 Mm. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 533.24 535.29 But for us it's just like a normal whiteboard. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 533.61 533.85 Okay. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 534.97 535.26 Yeah. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 536.23 536.45 'Kay. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 539.79 540.44 But it's 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 545.11 547.79 Actually, I think I cannot go with uh 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 548.4 548.89 You you 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 551.54 552.38 D doesn't it work? 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 556.82 560.96 Then he can maybe find out to get his cord right. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 553.6 556.82 Maybe someo Maybe maybe Anna, maybe you can start. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 555.66 555.88 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 555.73 556.98 Yeah. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 562.38 563.09 I have to draw. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 562.6 564.33 So um 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 565.16 571.23 L Why don't you draw uh your favourite animal on on th on the white-board. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 573.58 574.67 Sorry this is all tangled up here. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 570.62 573.58 M my my favourite animal. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 579.41 581.77 Oh, I see uh 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 580.98 581.8 That's better. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 584.46 584.79 Yeah. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 585.55 586.08 Yeah. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 587.63 588.29 Yes. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 588.29 588.46 Mm. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 594.54 595.04 So draw it. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 595.04 597.32 We will try to guess what it is. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 597.19 600.65 I'm a very bad drawer. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 595.69 597.19 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 602.83 603.08 Weird. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 610.75 611.89 I'm a bad drawer. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 607.11 608.48 Um. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 608.48 610.75 You're not gonna be able to guess from my drawing. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 611.89 612.24 Okay. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 614.73 614.94 Mm. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 619.87 621.17 Um close though. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 617.71 619.08 They're ears, by the way. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 619.08 619.87 No. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 617.72 618.37 's a cat. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 626.75 628.23 Okay so like a pet animal. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 631.4 633.3 Okay. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 634.91 636.65 Like a cat. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 637.14 637.54 Yeah. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 639.34 641.67 It's like a cat, so I guess it's a cat. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 641.35 643.35 No, not a cat though. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 645.03 645.79 What is this now? 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 658.87 660.22 Ah you forget about it. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 661.6 662.25 You're on the knife. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 662.65 667.23 Yeah, uh I think it's fine. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 667.23 669.07 I just don't want to carry it off. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 671.29 673.41 Man, this wires, eh? 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 673.41 675.01 We need a wireless microphone. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 680.79 683.56 Pro specially we should next project we should take l like that. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 678.79 680.79 You know? 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 688.88 691.14 So, that's the cat. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 691.14 691.36 Oh. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 692.77 694.56 Yes. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 689.51 690.26 So. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 690.26 692.77 It's not a cat, it's a dog. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 688.96 689.51 Okay. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 691.38 691.81 So. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 691.54 691.79 Mael. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 692.26 692.78 It's a dog. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 694.35 696.81 So but that's also kind of cat, isn't it? 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 695.69 697.12 Oh the dog doesn't have a tail? 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 697.1 698.78 It's got a tail then. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 697.88 699.68 B bo both predators. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 702.05 703.28 The dogs have a tail. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 698.95 701.37 Yeah, sure, yeah. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 701.37 702.05 I thought so. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 700.6 701.48 Yeah yeah. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 704 706.66 Uh d did you uh work out cord? 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 703.29 704 So, thank you. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 705.53 707.73 And you guessed cats without a tail. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 703.49 705.53 So do cats. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 708.06 708.48 Yeah. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 708.52 712.21 Yeah, I think I will go without without it, right? 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 710.34 710.67 Okay. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 712.4 712.78 Okay. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 715.86 717.41 It'll still not extend, right? 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 717.41 718.42 It's not up to that. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 723.78 726.08 So what favourite characteristics. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 722.42 723.78 Okay, there you go. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 726.49 729.23 Dogs are always friendly and loyal and fun. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 726.08 726.49 Uh. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 750.07 750.58 A horse? 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 750.59 751.47 It's a horse. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 757.54 761.93 And I'm marketing. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 753.16 757.54 This is why you're the designer. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 766.18 766.56 So 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 762.27 762.76 Yes. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 762.76 766.18 Oh very good. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 758.26 762.27 Yes, yes this is Yes definitely a horse. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 757.81 758.26 Yes. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 766.79 767.71 Ah 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 767.71 768.77 I suppose it 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 768.01 770.1 Ah I think you can put that. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 775.57 776.15 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 776.15 776.48 That's it. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 780.44 784.09 A blue and black zebra. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 785.25 786.41 Yes. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 792.47 793.06 Yes. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 790.23 792.47 Can you can meet them in Africa, I think. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 793.06 794.19 Very good. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 794.19 794.4 So 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 794.55 796.03 The very rare blue zebras. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 796.03 796.42 Yes. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 796.46 800.42 I'll tell to get it off my 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 798.05 798.77 Ma Matthew? 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 805.41 805.84 Uh? 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 809.24 810.24 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 809.98 810.43 So 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 814.33 815.66 You can probably reach. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 813.44 814.33 You got a lot of room here. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 813.7 814.01 Maybe 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 815.64 816.9 Oh y it's not for that. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 817.25 817.43 No? 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 817.84 817.95 No. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 818.54 822.24 I hope you have some space in your uh the horse of uh Mael. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 820.84 821.18 Yeah. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 820.64 820.84 Okay. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 827.56 827.78 Mm. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 826.41 827.56 So what should I draw? 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 828.82 831.24 He has already to do cat. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 831.48 834 I took a dog. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 841.26 841.86 Um. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 843.57 844.45 A mouse? 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 849.43 855.43 This looks likes a cat who has been driven over. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 852.6 856.93 Okay. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 860.58 865.26 And we should sum up its favourite charas characteristics, right? 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 857.49 860.58 Yeah. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 866.37 867.98 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 870.23 871.48 Yes, the moustache. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 872.3 872.97 So 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 873.42 874.86 That's that's definitely a cat. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 875.13 875.36 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 875.62 876.82 Uh yeah. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 876.82 881.92 And i Th They like to sleep, that's why you said you they are like this. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 886.91 893.74 It's quite, you know relaxed situation. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 893.74 894.08 Yes. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 887.17 887.31 Yeah. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 894.95 895.23 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 906.2 909.13 Yes, okay. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 910.71 912.99 She has the small legs. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 912.96 913.81 Th thank you, Matthew. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 914.06 915.28 Yeah. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 918.22 922.24 Thank you, Matthew. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 922.24 922.67 Perfect. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 923.26 926.57 Or a very small cat. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 920.14 923.26 It's a very big rat. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 923.44 925.43 Oh a rat, okay. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 927.93 930.35 Yes, this is certain uh 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 936.67 937.92 Let's see. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 931.62 934.19 some contribution to our project. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 937.92 940.57 Which animal has not been drawn yet. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 934.19 936.67 So. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 932.51 934.23 And you, 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 932.88 933.19 Mm 'kay. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 933.59 934.92 Your turn. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 952.27 957.21 So you've all drawn land animals, so why not draw an animal from the water. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 956.47 957.86 A bird. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 957.86 958.51 Okay, in the water. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 971.26 972.04 It's a bit 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 968.95 971.26 Ah I don't know what that is. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 971.35 972.64 Mm. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 971.99 977.09 Mm. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 972.66 973.76 It's a bit hard to guess. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 978.36 979.02 Put it colours. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 973.64 978.36 Yeah. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 979.02 980.69 Maybe it would help us. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 977.43 977.72 So 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 980 980.37 Yeah. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 980.64 980.94 Yes. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 981.22 983.27 The cat is going to eat the fish or the rat? 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 982.85 984.46 With different pen widths. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 983.72 985.04 Mm-hmm 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 987.27 987.88 So 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 993.41 994.17 Oh, it's a shark now. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 994.15 995.1 Ah it's a shark, yeah. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 996 997.86 Oh, yes, why not? 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 997.86 998.93 Good idea. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 999.36 1005.38 Ah it's a baby shark, it looks to me, you know it's going to eat the cat rather than the cat eating the fish, no? 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1001.3 1001.57 Mm. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1004.83 1005.49 Oh. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1005.67 1007.39 Now it's a swordfish. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1010.91 1011.43 A swordfish. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1010.46 1010.91 Why not. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1013.64 1014.31 Yeah. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1014.31 1015.02 I dunno. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1010.87 1013.64 You have some in in Australia, right? 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1014.29 1016.06 Um, maybe. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1013.07 1014.29 Swordfish. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1017.36 1018.48 I've never seen one, no. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1017.6 1017.87 Oh well. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1018.86 1019.04 Yeah. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1024.35 1024.65 So 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1022.01 1024.35 I hope it still works. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1023.89 1024.39 Perfect. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1024.39 1028.88 So I dunno if we need to spend time on that, actually But uh 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1028.48 1030.96 You should go for the next one it seems to me. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1029.29 1033.78 W Well, this uh this tool seemed to work. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1033.78 1036.8 Let's continue to uh to the real stuff. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1033.04 1034.18 Yeah, exactly, yeah. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1033.27 1033.71 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1035.93 1037.38 Wow. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1039.08 1042.81 Um our project uh finance uh 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1044.24 1045.01 thing. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1045.01 1056.44 Uh when we are and when w you are uh going to design w uh we must keep in mind that the selling price of the product uh will be about twenty five Euros 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1056.44 1057.8 so when 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1059.08 1067.25 designing a project uh I also look at you uh Mael, keep in mind uh uh uh People uh 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1059.18 1059.92 Twenty four. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1064.39 1064.54 Yeah. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1068.31 1072.91 want to get the feeling this is a twenty five Euro project uh pr um 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1073.58 1075.04 Per remote control, yeah? 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1075.04 1075.89 Per project. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1074.05 1074.54 product. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1074.99 1075.35 Mm. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1077.96 1086.04 Um more interesting for our company of course, p uh profit aim, about fifty million Euro. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1086.04 1095.07 So we have to sell uh quite a lot of this uh um things. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1076.83 1077.96 Okay. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1076.13 1076.83 Yes. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1095.07 1098.09 Uh we will try to uh 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1099.43 1106.57 to get at a international market uh so um it will be I think mainly Europe and uh Northern America, 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1106.68 1108.98 Ah yeah, the sale man, four million. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1107.91 1109.44 maybe some uh Asian countries. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1111.01 1125.07 Um also important for you all is um the the product uh production cost must be maximal uh twelve uh twelve Euro and fifty cents. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1123.63 1128.35 So it's half of the selling price, if I am good in mathematics. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1128.7 1133.55 Uh um I mean we still have to uh to make a profit, huh? 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1127.59 1128.7 Yes, of course. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1133.72 1134.32 Of course. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1133.83 1136.92 They have to sell at least four million to make a profit 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1134.45 1135.07 Mm. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1134.79 1136.06 You all have to be paid. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1136.4 1136.65 Mm. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1138.07 1142.08 Ah we have to make we have to sell at least four million to make our own profit. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1142.08 1142.66 Fifty mill 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1138.14 1138.68 Excuse me? 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1141.94 1146 Oh you're g very good in mathematics. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1146 1146.76 Four million. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1143.35 1143.65 Yes. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1145.19 1146.7 Yes, indeed. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1152.59 1161.24 uh in principle it has enough customers uh so when we have a good product we uh we could uh meet this this aim, I think. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1148.25 1152.59 So uh well I think w when we are working on the international market,
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1149.19 1149.39 Yeah. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1162.48 1163.79 So, that about finance. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1165.08 1175.73 And uh now just let have some discussion about what is a good remote control and uh well keep in mind this this first point,
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1175.73 1179.44 it has to be original, it has to be trendy, it has to be user friendly. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1182.06 1191.67 Um, maybe someone can mention some additional uh prerequisites for a good remote control. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1190.32 1190.53 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1195.54 1197.42 Of course it should have a on off button. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1197.71 1197.98 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1198.92 1204.43 Yes, well i it should have the the the the expected functionality uh of a remote control. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1202.61 1202.9 Mm. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1204.56 1204.7 Yeah. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1208.93 1210.2 You might need uh 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1204.58 1208.93 Yeah, s and it depends what application you are using it for. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1208.4 1208.67 Mm. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1211.83 1212.08 Uh. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1210.45 1211.83 We wer we were thinking television. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1212.05 1212.3 Mm. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1212.33 1214.95 We are targ targeting the television set. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1214.95 1219.45 So, you need to record the channels. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1219.45 1226.73 You need to browse the browse the channels in upward downward way, 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1215.71 1215.92 Mm. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1217.97 1218.14 Yeah. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1218.97 1219.3 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1234.84 1236.7 especially when you have a lot of channels. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1225.98 1226.93 Yes, yes. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1226.93 1234.84 Th th that's very handy I I always miss it and on some remote controls that you can go channel up or down ins instead of retyping the number 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1226.41 1226.58 Mm. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1229.4 1229.64 Uh 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1230.84 1231.58 And 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1233.47 1233.73 Mm. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1235.06 1235.21 Mm. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1236.19 1237.42 Uh, and 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1255.43 1257.98 Because I I don't know you very well, actually, but yeah. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1251.08 1255.43 And I I'm the the industrial designer okay. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1261.49 1262.17 Okay. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1258.98 1260.01 Mael. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1241.78 1245.23 Or th So you are the marketing. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1245.23 1249.22 And you are in the u use user interface uh design. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1262.17 1264.64 It's very uh 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1257.98 1258.98 Okay. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1260.01 1261.49 Happy to meet you. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1249.22 1251.08 So just yeah I wanted to to be sure. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1237.11 1241.78 And uh just before starting the detailed discussion, maybe we You are the marketing guy? 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1242.11 1243.02 I'm marketing. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1242.55 1243.06 Marketing. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1244.69 1244.81 Yep. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1247.48 1247.75 Yeah. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1248.08 1248.21 Yes. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1249.23 1249.46 Yeah. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1251.08 1251.43 Sure. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1254.58 1254.81 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1254.96 1255.38 Yes. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1255.69 1256.04 Oh. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1266.36 1267.77 I thi think you know me, yeah? 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1259.51 1262.89 Matth s uh Anna. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1267.77 1268.99 right yeah. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1257.17 1258.11 I'm Matthew. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1262.89 1266.36 And um uh Matthew, yeah. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1258.11 1259.51 You know. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1261.23 1261.57 Anna. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1263.38 1264.6 A and I'm Nanne. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1266.51 1266.91 So 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1266.58 1274.43 Uh so yeah uh Just uh on your web page but uh yeah not uh not face to face. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1267.78 1269.01 Yes. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1272 1273.23 So. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1273.23 1273.66 Um 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1276.44 1276.58 S 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1276.89 1277.88 So mm 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1277.05 1277.8 So. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1277.56 1278.04 S s 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1278.58 1278.81 Mm. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1278.92 1279.93 So I 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1279.03 1283.77 Are there some other very important things to to do well, 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1279.09 1279.5 So 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1289.75 1293.58 So the browse function, as you m mentioned. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1285.38 1289.75 to specify in this first phase of of the project. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1292.64 1293.53 Yeah. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1291.39 1292.64 Mm. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1293.53 1294.21 Oth yeah. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1293.16 1294 And uh, 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1309.84 1314.6 Tomorrow you might have a some more functions which might come through that, so 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1295.61 1309.84 you'd need the usual ones, like the changing the volume, changing the the channel and then you uh Today we have uh um teletext and all those things. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1303.73 1304.08 Yeah. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1303.25 1303.73 Yes. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1313.28 1313.66 Yes. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1313.61 1313.86 Mm. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1314.75 1317.71 Like internet on the on T. V. ? 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1313.96 1314.75 Like what? 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1318.18 1319.58 Now we are looking for 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1316.1 1318.18 Yeah I. P. O. or. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1316.4 1316.75 Mm. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1323.83 1328.37 For example personal video recorder and all those stuffs are coming up. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1320.74 1323.83 television things or I. P. . 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1323.92 1324.16 Yeah. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1326.19 1326.49 Mm. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1328.61 1331.37 But we can't really design for something that hasn't been invented yet. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1329.71 1329.93 Yeah. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1334.16 1337.52 The personal video recorder and all those things it is coming up. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1331.49 1334.16 Ah it's it's it's it's coming up, actually. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1336.23 1338.67 Mm, well uh I I think 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1341.12 1343.13 Actually, yeah w 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1341.49 1349.47 Uh w y you two should should, I think, think this over uh w espec what, what functionality. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1342.11 1343.47 Let's Let's take 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1358.03 1367.05 Um then if they need internet, then we would be able to to p to propose something with uh uh T. V. over I. P. . 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1367.05 1368.19 But before 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1349.56 1358.03 Of course, and first before um designing the func well thinking about the functionalities, we need to know what are the user requirements. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1357.26 1357.88 Mm. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1357.88 1358.08 Yeah. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1358.75 1359.13 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1359.3 1359.45 Yeah. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1361.42 1361.6 Mm. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1363.57 1363.76 Yeah. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1367.4 1367.67 But 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1368.18 1373.94 Ninety percent of the time, ninety nine percent of the time, people will be using the main functions, the volume, the different channels 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1373.94 1379.69 so we can have all the fancy things as well but the main controls need to be very obvious and very easy to use. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1380.28 1388 Keep k keep in mind i it's a it's a twenty five Euro unit, so uh uh the the very fancy stuff uh 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1379.07 1380.28 Mm mm mm. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1391.36 1400.04 So twenty five Euro you expect a quite, well normal but good functioning user friendly remote control. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1389.54 1391.36 w we can leave that out, I think. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1391.69 1391.93 Mm. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1396.77 1396.97 Mm. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1400.45 1407.79 Oh in that case you can you always hook up with uh someone who is providing that and you know,
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1407.79 1412.98 you you sell their product as well as your product with them, you know. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1410.62 1410.81 Mm. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1413.09 1419.78 Yeah, but w w we want to design a new one. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1419.78 1420.13 Mm. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1413.11 1415.03 So try and get T. V. manufacturers to 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1420.19 1424.46 So we need some numbering buttons, some teletext things and then um 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1413.57 1418.1 Yeah. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1418.1 1420.19 No, it's okay, yeah I understand. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1420.5 1420.68 Yeah. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1426.56 1426.75 Yeah. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1424.51 1426.56 The Yeah, the main is browsing. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1425.52 1430.73 Yes, but but but ab about the spec the buttons, the buttons uh that will be on it. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1430.73 1434.05 I I think we can discuss that in the in the next meeting. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1428.76 1429.13 Yeah. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1434.24 1434.56 Yeah. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1435.35 1441.46 Uh I would like to get this wrapped up and go to an end of this meeting. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1442 1442.41 Okay. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1443.68 1444.12 So 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1445.63 1445.75 Mm. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1443.7 1445.63 Okay, we are alread mm. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1445.31 1445.64 Okay. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1449.1 1449.47 And 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1445.62 1449.1 So you know now the basic the basic things. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1448.28 1448.56 Yeah. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1448.68 1448.89 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1451.36 1454.34 well just just for the next meeting, um 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1451.87 1452.14 L 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1463.16 1469.92 keep it general, I mean so w we will be still fle flexible with maybe adding some functions. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1469.92 1470.32 So 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1457.14 1463.16 well, uh, you wor yes, work on a design,
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1469.76 1470.2 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1471.46 1472.73 Um 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1474.1 1475.52 you will be working on on 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1476.63 1478.25 technical function design, so 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1479.35 1479.83 Yeah, sure. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1480.45 1487.12 And uh you and you and uh uh uh well, think about requirements, eh? 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1487.12 1490.21 Does it need internet, or or do do we stay at 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1486.87 1487.15 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1491.35 1491.79 Stam. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1491.36 1494.83 basic basic television uh interface. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1492.16 1492.29 Yeah. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1497.64 1500.19 So, uh 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1501.36 1510.03 I think we should now all go work uh uh at this and uh you will be informed via email and other kind of communication. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1505.63 1505.84 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000a H00 FIE081 1510 1510.15 Yeah. 
IS1000a H02 MIO050 1510.78 1511.29 Okay. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1513.61 1514.65 K keep it in mind. 
IS1000a H01 MIO082 1511.37 1513.61 So next meeting will be in uh in thirty minutes uh. 
IS1000a H03 MIO016 1511.51 1511.99 Perfect. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 202.26 203.91 Okay. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 202.93 205.01 So I see all everybody's here, 'kay. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 205.67 205.88 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 205.68 207.37 Yep. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 206.35 207.78 And we can start meeting. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 209.43 210.84 Okay. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 210.4 211.52 What's the agenda for this meeting? 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 211.98 213.72 The I will uh 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 214.79 217.39 present here agenda with with with with slides 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 217.35 217.59 Okay. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 218.68 219.37 to you. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 219.37 219.93 Um 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 221.25 221.97 as you can see here. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 223.89 224.22 Perfect. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 225.35 230.81 So first uh just to mention I will 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 232.28 237.22 take notes uh of this meeting and uh I will try to work them out and give them to you. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 237.22 248.59 I've also made notes of the previous meeting and um I was about to send them you but then uh I had to go to this uh meeting so you will get them too uh 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 233.42 233.64 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 249.32 250.13 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 249.45 250.14 Next. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 250.48 251.39 Um. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 252.71 255.47 So y you are the secretary also. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 255.82 256.12 Okay. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 255.47 255.82 Right? 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 255.3 256.44 Yes. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 256.44 256.79 Indeed. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 258.82 259.31 Um. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 276.66 278.14 Um. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 278.14 285.52 W We will uh in a minute we will uh start with them. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 290.29 298.86 Um then I will uh bring in some some some new requirements I I got uh from the uh account manager,
IS1000b H01 MIO082 304.47 315.57 Uh Um about the functions and Well in this meeting we should really try to reach a decision about the target group 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 298.86 304.47 I try to work them out, they were quite abstract, and we can have maybe have com some discussion about it. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 261.6 276.66 Then I hope you all have uh worked out some some uh some some presentations about uh about well you the the task given to you in the previous meeting. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 285.52 290.29 Um, we will see in which order we will handle them of. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 266.02 267.89 Perfectly yeah yeah of course uh-huh. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 302.26 302.58 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 316.26 316.5 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 316.92 318.65 and the functionality of the 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 319.02 322.64 You mean the social target group who we wants to target? 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 321.17 328 Yes I mean well yes w who are we going to uh to well to sell this, the customers, indeed yes. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 325.32 325.57 Mm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 325.54 326.7 Oh the customers, okay. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 326.93 327.18 Yeah. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 329.64 331.42 Think that's that's important matter. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 330.8 331.86 That's the big question yeah. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 333.09 335.77 Uh. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 335.77 344.03 So And then uh we will close this meeting uh and after this meeting we'll uh we'll have a lunch. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 344.03 344.28 Good. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 346.53 347.49 Um. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 349.06 350.05 Maybe um 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 352.92 356.47 why uh Anna can you c do you have a presentations? 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 356.47 357.49 You don't have presentation? 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 357.11 357.61 I wasn't. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 355.66 357.11 No, I don't. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 358.84 359.26 No. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 359.49 361.37 Uh you want a table to to uh 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 361.35 363.34 I c I can talk about it but I have no slides or anything. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 362.6 367.93 Yes yes maybe maybe you can uh can just talk about it or maybe you can use the whiteboard if necessary um. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 374.76 379.9 just asked them about their remote control usage habits and what they want in a remote control. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 369.05 374.76 Well I've just been um presented with some research we've done in a small focus group so, a hundred people 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 367.92 369.05 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 379.9 380.35 Um. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 387.43 389.55 Um basically it's saying that 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 381.73 387.43 It's probably can't email this to you, I've just got a web page with some data on it. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 390.98 394.82 users generally dislike the look and feel of their remote controls. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 401.11 401.73 Um. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 394.82 401.11 Um seventy five u seventy five percent of users find most remote controls ugly. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 400.84 401.17 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 409.07 413.52 Current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 420.72 420.96 Uh. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 424.81 429.93 so they've got a remote control with a lot of functionality but really most of the time they only use a small part of that. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 420.96 424.81 Fifty percent of users say that they only use ten percent of the buttons 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 403 407.58 Eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 407.58 409.07 Um. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 413.52 420.72 Uh seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot, so they use their remote control quite frequently while they're watching television. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 430 430.33 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 431.9 432.35 Um. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 433.83 436.42 Do you Do you have this uh information on the web page you said? 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 436 437.39 I have an a web page yes. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 437.43 440.81 Yes, mayb maybe you can can send an email to me later uh. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 440.79 441.44 Yep. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 441.44 441.82 Yep, sure. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 442.07 444.47 Uh about this. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 450.35 457.84 Um, power and volume selection are only used a few times within this uh per hour. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 478.62 479.13 Um. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 468.27 469.43 Um. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 444.82 450.35 So basically um there's a breakdown of how much they use the different functions on a rem remote control. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 443.8 444.82 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 457.84 468.27 Um, channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight times um and then there's things like channel settings, audio settings, which are only used very infrequently. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 469.43 478.62 Teletext is used um fourteen times in the hour, so it is used but not nearly as much as the channel selection is used. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 467.73 468.09 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 475.16 475.42 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 480.79 490.35 An interesting thing that this report has brought up is that um fifty fifty percent of users report that the remote control gets lost a lot of the time in the room 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 497.51 505.34 Thirty four percent said it takes too long to learn to use a remote control, they want something that's easier to use straight away, more intuitive perhaps. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 490.35 496.31 so some way of some way of locating the remote control would be very useful to a lot of users. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 496.31 497.51 Um. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 490.21 491.83 Yes yes, I have that too. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 505.75 506.05 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 506.39 506.93 Um. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 506.66 509.43 It's it's easy to learn or how do you say it's 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 513.14 513.29 Yep. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 509.25 513.14 Thirty four percent said it took too much time to learn to use a new one. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 513.42 513.7 Okay. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 511.99 513.42 Okay too much time to learn. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 514.28 515.54 Um. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 523.55 524.34 For R. S. I. ? 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 515.54 520.32 And thirty twenty six percent said remote controls are bad for R. S. I. . 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 520.32 523.55 I don't know how we'd go about combating that. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 524.34 526 Respet Repetitive strain injury. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 515.05 516.55 Not enough 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 521.8 523.54 What do you mean there? 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 526.04 526.5 Okay. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 526.94 527.17 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 529.03 529.21 But 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 527.42 529.03 So. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 532.71 535.39 But it's it's the opinion of the uh of the users huh? 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 529.16 532.71 They think that or do their doctor the doctor says? 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 531.96 532.3 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 534.84 535.9 Yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 535.9 538.01 That's what the report says yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 538.01 541.08 Um and then it's got a demographic breakdown on 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 536.89 537.74 So mm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 540.55 544.64 Maybe y y you cannot put this webpage online on the 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 544.6 547.13 Uh I should be able to actually, if I email it to you now. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 546.98 548.32 You can disconnect it there no? 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 547.76 549.45 You can maybe just just 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 553.95 555.85 O otherwise you yeah. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 549.4 553.95 Ah it's it okay it's a webpage on the C. it's a file okay. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 549.6 550.3 Oh no, yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 554.16 554.94 Um, s hang on. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 552.37 554.16 Yeah. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 555.95 558.88 Then you can connect this one or this one yeah. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 556.98 558.49 You can connect this one. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 560.07 562.46 All to your computer. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 565.66 565.75 Yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 567.52 567.73 Well. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 569.55 577.88 So these are important numbers that Matthew and I need to take into account for our functional um 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 573.84 575.67 Oh yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 579.91 580.74 It's just a web link. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 576.89 579.91 It's probably easier if you put it on yours and then I'll just email it to you. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 575.36 576.89 Oh I need to muck around with this. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 579.66 579.92 Hmm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 580.13 581 Yeah 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 590.53 591.17 Okay. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 591.54 595.1 Yeah these numbers have have to be have to be taken into account 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 595.13 595.47 Hmm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 596.47 600.49 for the uh both yeah user interface and functional design. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 599.14 599.54 Yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 600.97 606.08 One thing it goes on to talk about, which is interesting, is the hang on a minute. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 606.22 614.58 Because if there are many numbers and we need to select to to constraint uh our design based on what is more important. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 613.16 613.42 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 614.76 615.21 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 615.03 616.09 Yep. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 616.09 619.63 Um, one thing is interesting is talking about 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 623.29 625.33 um speech recognition in a remote control. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 625.52 626.88 Speech recognition in 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 626.82 629.88 And who would pay more for that and whether people would find it useful. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 629.91 631.39 D do you have numbers o o on that? 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 630.41 631.01 Ah okay. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 631.65 633.6 Yes, I'll just get this up. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 635.73 642.3 So that we don't Do we not need any button on the remote control it would be all based on speech. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 642.3 642.54 Okay. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 639.05 640.68 Well potentially yeah, um 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 647.05 649.54 You wanna have both options. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 642.63 647.05 I think even for interesti yeah I think that would not work so well. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 643.75 644.51 Interesting idea. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 648.69 649.04 Okay. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 656.92 660.49 Well it would it would be a solution for uh when your 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 662.9 666.26 remote control is lost, I mean when it has speech recognition then 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 664.61 664.9 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 677.28 681.02 But the these are all quite fancy features I'm not sure whether 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 672.74 677.28 or maybe it can respond and produce sound, so say where it is. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 667.54 672.74 uh i then it doesn't matter where it is, my well it's we should be in range,
IS1000b H03 MIO016 667.59 667.97 Yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 671.74 672.02 Mm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 677.05 677.29 Yeah. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 682.07 682.93 Well it would be f 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 682.52 686.57 we will we can make this for for twelve Euro fi and fifty cents. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 685.66 686.09 Yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 686.08 686.3 Yeah. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 687.33 688.08 No you can't. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 687.88 692.16 And we don't know where the state of the art of speech recognition is, maybe you know? 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 692.71 693.12 Oh. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 694.53 696.78 Well, it depends you know like 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 697.91 705.41 there is uh it's a very small vocabulary that you want to do the operations like you want to say on, off, 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 705.78 706.29 Mm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 706.33 707.28 one, two, 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 707.14 711.64 But it's quite noisy if there is the T. V. uh shouting. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 708.72 709.01 Mm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 710.38 713.84 It's it's going to be li it's not going to be s so easy but 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 709.3 710.38 twenty three, yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 710.32 710.59 Yeah. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 710.84 713.02 Yes, that that that that's mm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 715.83 718.61 u usually it's going to be more of an isolated 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 719.12 721.02 Do you have some more important facts or 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 719.84 722.86 case but it's but I don't know with twenty fi 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 720.74 720.93 Okay. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 721 721.47 Um 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 721.72 723.85 can we go to the next presentation? 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 722.54 725.04 So you had to to to summarise maybe the 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 723.08 723.48 Well 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 725.37 731.5 This is now talking about um who would pay for speech recognition in a remote control, who would pay more for it, um. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 732.87 737.59 Ninety percent of the fifteen to twenty five year old market said that they would pay more,
IS1000b H00 FIE081 741.37 749.96 thirty five percent for thirty five to forty five, um twenty two percent for forty five to fifty five and then eight percent for fifty five to sixty five. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 749.96 750.48 Yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 737.59 741.37 it goes down from there, seventy six percent for twenty five to thirty five,
IS1000b H00 FIE081 750.48 757.8 But we sh Yeah, it really depends where we're gonna be targeting this product, um, which we'll be talking about later I think. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 747.03 747.26 Mm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 749.73 750 Okay. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 747.83 749.73 Okay it's uh decline. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 750.48 751.96 Decline with age, mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 750.21 750.48 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 755.73 756.3 Mm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 755.89 756.03 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 760.41 760.7 Okay. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 757.78 758.17 Yes. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 758.17 760.41 We will talk about it later. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 760.38 761.09 Did you get the email? 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 767.67 770.45 Yep, that one. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 770.45 771.36 Just follow that link. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 767.82 768.22 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 775.77 777.92 I thi You us yeah yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 776.92 778.07 It'll be in a different window, yep. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 779.28 781.69 That's left that one. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 782.85 782.99 Yep. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 783.36 784.39 Okay perfect. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 792.14 798.79 Another thing it's talking about there is the L. C. D. screen but there's no figures apparently on that. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 788.19 792.14 So that's the figure that I was just talking about there, with the different demographics. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 788.02 788.19 Mm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 790.31 790.72 Okay. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 799.06 800.17 Okay. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 798.06 799.06 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 800.17 800.89 um 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 798.07 798.62 Mm 'kay. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 804.05 810.84 Uh maybe uh Mael c c can you give uh uh your presentation uh? 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 807.35 808.36 Yeah. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 813.27 816.01 Mm I okay I stay 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 815.64 816.52 Oh, this is 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 819.03 820.27 Now you can move I think yeah. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 820.43 826.99 I can move as far as 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 820.73 822.5 Mm-hmm, y y you can move, uh. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 828.16 829.95 Maybe I take your chair? 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 829.95 830.89 I okay. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 830.08 830.5 Yes. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 830.5 831.99 You can you can sa take my chair. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 832.88 837.66 It's a channel selection, a module, this and this function, go to the. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 837 837.19 Oh. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 835.65 837 Sorry? 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 838.79 839.07 Yeah. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 839.86 846.37 So I think as everybody knows uh I'm the uh Industrial Designer. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 859.28 865.06 Um I'd like first to give a quick a very simple introduction, how does it work 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 865.06 873.12 so that everybody knows even if you don't have a very uh technical background uh what is it because I think in the product it is important. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 849.08 859.28 And uh in this presentation uh this group presentation um is gonna focus on the working design of the the remote control. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 870.17 871.47 Mm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 873.46 882.82 So basically um the basic function of a remote control is to send uh messages to another system that is fixed. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 882.82 890.35 And so an energy source feeds an integrated circuit, the chip, that can compose messages,
IS1000b H03 MIO016 890.35 901.24 usually uh through a um infrared bit and uh the user interface controls the chip and accordingly the the messages, alright. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 881.91 882.13 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 893.47 893.68 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 901.71 917.39 So my method for um designing the yeah the work design uh yeah first the the main point is that I would wish to to make a really functional product. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 917.39 926.22 I would prefer to have very functional um capabilities rather than fancy stuff that in fact is not used and doesn't work. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 926.22 936.49 So for that yeah as it's important to take into account the user requirements from the Marketing uh Expert uh Anna and um 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 925.29 925.37 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 925.35 925.57 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 934.53 934.72 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 948.58 957.34 So um basically uh here is a really large view of what we want. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 938.87 948.58 w to to we should agree on what are the technical functions uh for this remote control and I show you the the working design. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 963.48 971.22 and also uh the to both channels as well as other buttons that come after, right. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 957.34 963.48 Uh we want an on off button, it can be uh it's simple but it's it's important,
IS1000b H00 FIE081 963.02 963.18 Mm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 976.48 998.54 is that in this part you have the remote control the the sender and on the other part the receiver so that's my method is um will be to well my aim would be to uh design the and choose the chips and the infrared um components to build the remote control right. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 972.37 976.48 So the components I quickly draw here 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 998.52 998.73 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 999.14 999.35 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 999.71 1007.72 So of course we need energy sources and uh uh the receiver a a receiver. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1007.72 1014.37 This is very quick uh design, uh you stop me or interrupt me if uh you don't agree on it on that. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1014.48 1014.94 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1015.96 1034.25 And um so what I have found and after a lot of work actually I I draw this I draw for you this uh schema that can be maybe too technical for you but is very important for me you know. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1034.25 1047.82 And uh that's it so I won't go into details about that but uh these are my preferences to use uh that kind of components. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1021.75 1022.73 Well. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1027.41 1027.77 Uh-huh. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1032.6 1033.51 You drew it a long time ago? 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1033.91 1034.31 Is huh 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1034.64 1037.52 Ninety one. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1035.51 1036.56 overwhelming. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1043.19 1043.59 No. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1048.04 1050.64 And and why do you want these kind of component? 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1053.68 1055.53 What were your 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1050.64 1053.68 I mean, are they cheap, or are they uh reliable? 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1049.11 1049.21 So. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1056.24 1062.63 So the the main components you see here are the cheapest I have found and 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1069.58 1077.38 but uh this one was not this one also really uh reliable um so 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1063.88 1069.58 yeah th you have always a compromise with uh reliability and uh i if it's expensive 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1067.99 1068.32 Mm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1081.61 1092.7 uh I hope you get clearer view on uh what what a remote control is uh in terms of uh technical components but maybe yeah 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1079.73 1081.61 yeah that's it for the working design 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1089.85 1090.4 Yes. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1094.66 1095.18 It it 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1096.08 1097.36 it's more clear now I think. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1098.59 1099.07 So 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1099.52 1104.44 But is it uh can you just buy it on the market and f plug it in or you want to ma 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1104.32 1110.24 No no no no we we will uh This is a preference but we can always change uh 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1109.11 1109.36 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1116.36 1118.17 I mean can you can you get back to it? 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1110.44 1116.36 What I w what I was thinking about uh the the the schema uh about uh the sender and the receiver 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1117.2 1117.35 Yeah. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1121.24 1129.48 Yeah uh, the receiver is of course already in the television and we are not uh able to change it. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1129.48 1132.53 So we we must adapt to the to the receiver. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1132.53 1137.15 I I suppose there is a standard uh way of communicating to televisions uh. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1129.4 1130.07 Of course yeah. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1138.29 1145.72 We will use uh infrared protocol uh using yeah infrared and uh 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1138.04 1138.29 Yeah. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1147.26 1162.83 and of course we need to adapt to that protocol that already exists and but we what we can do is uh uh adapting the the chips inside uh to the best uh chips and uh infrared bubbles. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1150.17 1150.63 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1160.71 1160.99 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1160.56 1160.71 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1160 1160.33 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1160.33 1160.56 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1163.89 1164.1 Okay. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1163.27 1163.89 Yes. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1169.29 1171.61 Okay. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1164.66 1169.29 Um. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1170.02 1170.28 Thank you. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1170.28 1173.05 Well it to du it's just you had to change the frequencies. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1176.33 1178.47 Of course yeah in the chip you have it yeah. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1175.22 1176.33 Yeah yeah. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1174.56 1175.22 The frequencies? 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1175.31 1175.8 Yeah. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1182.58 1194.25 like a guy has recently designed a remote uh uh uh which could switch off any other T. V. s, so basically through all the things. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1178.82 1182.58 But you should be careful, people are sometime becoming problem,
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1194.25 1199.76 So maybe we should think of yeah. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1187.51 1189.21 That can control o other things. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1190.65 1191.39 Yeah. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1192.56 1192.79 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1192.59 1192.97 Ah. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1197.01 1200.33 Of course yeah we should take that into account in the uh 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1198.33 1200.19 Yeah yes I I I 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1199.52 1203 So if the b T. V. in the next apartment's really loud, you can just turn it off. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1198.49 1199.52 That's handy. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1200.45 1211.3 Yeah so you can just go on the street and then switch off everyone's T. V. and you can just walk away You don't have to be near the T. V. at all. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1208.73 1209 Yeah. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1215.26 1219.05 Maybe Maybe we can go to to your presentation uh Matthew. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1221.25 1221.74 Uh okay. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1210.07 1215.26 I I feel I I I think M Mael will will consider this uh th these things. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1219.05 1221.25 I I I assume you were finished here. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1210.08 1210.97 I like that idea. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1218.28 1219.66 Yeah so. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1220.66 1220.97 Yes. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1232.41 1243.59 Hmm I can take mine it's okay, voila, mm so mm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1224.92 1229.32 So I can take I think mine now there. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1221.52 1224.92 Okay. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1229.32 1232.41 Okay so voila. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1227.83 1228.06 Okay. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1248.2 1248.81 Okay. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1250.69 1251.04 I 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1250.08 1250.69 Oh. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1253.5 1254.58 I know where it is. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1252.09 1253.5 Uh, sorry? 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1254.71 1255.58 It's on the desktop. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1255.78 1257.05 It's uh 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1259.09 1260.06 Okay. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1256.84 1259.09 Technical function. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1259 1259.13 Yes. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1260.09 1261.05 It's uh 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1261.48 1262.71 Like so. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1262.71 1263.46 Well. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1263.46 1272.33 So um I'm going to talk a little bit about the technical function so wha what actually it's about what is the user going to do,
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1272.33 1280.61 I think my last presented what is going inside, so what's the user is going to see from the outside and how he is going to use it. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1280.61 1284.41 So well the approach is that uh 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1273.33 1273.52 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1275.08 1275.23 Yep. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1285.67 1290.02 basically the idea is to send a message to the T. V. set, as Mael has pointed 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1290.02 1314.76 and it will be decoded by the T. V. and usually we it is easier to have uh keys or buttons with which people can uh press and then um changing a button will basically uh change the message which is being sent to the T. V. and uh um a and basically it sends an internal signal and decoded by the receiver. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1308.33 1308.42 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1359.66 1365.38 uh volume change and uh keys for the number and more than one digit option. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1331.34 1343.3 But in the present scenario is that you have certain keys and you press it like your mobile phone, and it sends a message to the T. V. . 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1325.08 1331.34 people are can have a speech recognition but this is uh s a question which will we have to see later. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1354.34 1359.66 actually so you have a standard T. V. remote where you have just a on, off button and play 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1343.3 1354.34 And um so generally mm I don't have some figures sorry but um so there are two kinds of uh remote if you popularly in the household,
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1314.83 1325.08 So p as um Anna has said that this ki people are interested in things which are you don't need to k press the keys 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1331.63 1331.85 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1341.62 1341.73 Mm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1342.37 1342.51 Yep. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1391.27 1397.6 it can without any, it's a very simple thing, um which which you can vouch. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1365.84 1376.21 And if you see for example righ right now uh uh even the one uh on more than one digit option is for two digit channel which is like ninety nine,
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1376.21 1384.5 but tomorrow you might have one fifty channels you know to browse or two hundred channels to browse who knows, but uh uh. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1384.5 1391.27 Then there is uh this is the standard one with without any fancy thing you know like i it doesn't have teletext option,
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1407.17 1426.53 but it then it has other options like stop uh and then you play the movie or uh or fo fast forward the movie or something like that so i it has those so these are the standard uh commonly found remote controls in the uh market. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1398.13 1407.17 And then you have uh what's the v video remote file which is like usually it has almost all the keys over there and 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1416 1416.37 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1427.42 1430.62 And then whi which is generally used by the people. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1430.62 1463.8 And then well personal preferences I would uh basically think of having a kind of aim for the next generation thing where the we could have both the uh the f a T. V. and the remote video remote control because uh some of the keys in the video's remote control and the T. V. they could be integrated together so that uh we could um aim for the like in the f coming future um that type of uh applications with 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1479.34 1481.1 or does it know which one you want to use? 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1474.8 1479.34 so is it gonna be like a switch on the remote that says t use the T. V. or use the V. C. R. ? 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1463.09 1463.78 Okay. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1464.48 1467.89 So you've got say maybe a V. C. R. and a T. V. which are separate 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1467.89 1474.8 so you on my one at home I've got a V. C. R. remote which then changes the channel on the V. C. R. and doesn't do anything on the T. V. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1463.78 1464.48 How would that work? 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1473.08 1473.31 Yeah. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1474.64 1474.88 Yeah. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1481.66 1508.6 Um actually um you could you could think of um having s a y you can have a key which could tell y it could go to the video thing but um uh yo you you you still can't um in that case when it you use that the function should be able to take up the V. C. R. option and you could play it or You can also think about having like um 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1491.43 1491.68 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1502.15 1502.42 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1508.75 1534.44 I in a few days you will be ha in in few ye coming years you might even have a system where you have a separate uh sitting setup box and uh you have uh um something like uh uh you do you do you suppose you are not able to watch some programme and actually it downloading all the time for you and uh you can just you know uh when you come back you could just switch on that thing and uh watch a program. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1534.44 1541.03 In that case you want to browse faster, browse slow, you want to have those kind of functionalities. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1517.03 1517.3 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1524.08 1524.24 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1526.73 1527.01 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1533.3 1533.5 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1537.72 1537.96 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1538.35 1540.06 Mm mm mm mm mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1540.16 1540.38 Mm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1540.36 1544.15 These are kind of next generation functionalities. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1542.16 1545.53 It's the next generation thing, but it is going to come in couple of years. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1545.53 1545.92 It's goi 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1543.88 1551.14 Mm yes, but I think it's i i it's already there, I mean the hard disk uh recorders uh I I've seen them in the shop. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1544.58 1544.81 Mm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1547.8 1548.36 Yeah it's 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1549.43 1549.55 Mm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1549.52 1549.76 Yeah. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1551.61 1561.28 So it's going to record your things and you and you you need basically the functionalities what you need in both uh uh video as well as in the standard T. V. thing. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1550.93 1551.61 Yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1551.28 1551.51 Yeah. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1551.3 1551.65 Mm 'kay. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1554.32 1554.52 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1556.95 1557.13 Yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1558.52 1559.1 That's fair enough. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1564.92 1565.75 That's, yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1561.24 1564.92 But I don't think we're trying to make a universal remote here. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1560.34 1561.24 Mm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1569.25 1575.8 I have a T. V. and tomorrow I am going to have set up box which is going to sit there and uh it's going to do that job for me. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1564.52 1569.25 No no we are not making a universal remote, we are just looking at uh giving a scenario 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1571.66 1571.97 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1574.98 1575.39 Because y 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1573.79 1574.98 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1575.36 1580.75 W w w w we need to decide on on on on in how far we go to in this. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1581 1581.32 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1582.04 1589.89 Mean, you can go pretty far I f I think with with with functions and possible uh future p uh prospects yes. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1582.51 1582.9 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1586.89 1587.14 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1589.33 1589.52 Yep. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1590.21 1590.48 Yeah. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1590.48 1591.54 So 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1591.19 1592.43 But it's good to keep in mind. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1592.75 1593.02 Mm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1593.38 1595.78 Okay so that p ends my presentation. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1596.86 1597.24 Very well. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1596.43 1596.86 Mm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1619.76 1629.18 you can select actually so you want to watch a movie and uh your p your provider gives a list of movies, and then you select those list. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1596.96 1597.52 Well. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1597.52 1610.14 So we can always discuss about it for example uh the presently the video market actually uh this demand, video over-demand or what we call it as 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1637.99 1639.12 And thi this is going to come. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1610.14 1619.76 it's presently booming up actually so it i like people are providing like uh things like uh uh movies,
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1629.18 1637.99 And it basically you go off, it downloads the movie, it gives for you and then when you come you want to loo watch it on your T. V. . 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1609.51 1609.87 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1610.28 1610.53 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1612.88 1613.13 Yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1628.75 1628.96 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1628.94 1629.16 Yeah. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1633.12 1633.56 Yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1633.2 1633.42 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1638.04 1638.3 Good. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1643.5 1644.47 Yeah. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1639.03 1643.5 Or even you don't need to download it, it's streamed uh online uh yeah. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1642.85 1647.69 Yeah it can be streamed online for you and you can say what time I want to watch the movie and 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1646.9 1647.05 Yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1647.27 1647.48 Mm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1648.36 1649.24 Yeah so. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1648.98 1649.39 Um, 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1650.36 1650.57 Yeah. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1661.14 1661.5 Um 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1650.77 1661.14 so u um I have uh received some some some some well points of of thinking over of my account manager and uh I would like to share them with you. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1661.11 1661.31 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1661.52 1661.75 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1662.68 1670.64 first thing is uh teletext is a well known feature of televisions but it's it's getting used less and less. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1667.59 1667.82 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1671.02 1672.2 Yeah. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1680.3 1687.18 Do we include it, and do we give it a prominent uh prominent uh place on on on the on well huh 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1676.35 1680.3 So we should think about it um. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1671.99 1676.35 That's that's especially because of the internet of course. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1675.21 1675.46 Hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1688.29 1689.89 on the remote mot control itself. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1688.8 1689.02 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1691.39 1699.99 Uh as uh a in any case it's it's not used, well very much, but it's it is still used. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1699.99 1700.81 Um 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1697.9 1698.16 Mm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1699.91 1700.81 Um. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1706.93 1714.8 the television as we as we all know it with with broadcasting signals and you can't go back uh huh 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1702.15 1706.93 further yes we must think, uh do we stay uh to to television only 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1714.8 1722.87 or do we uh uh go further as Matthew indicated by supporting uh uh recording uh devices? 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1728.16 1730.04 And and and the hard disk recorders. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1725.32 1728.16 Uh indeed indeed. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1727.76 1727.94 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1725.35 1727.76 So D. V. D. s and V. C. R. s? 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1732.06 1735.96 Um, furthermore, uh,
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1735.96 1748.17 w we need really need to interest uh y younger customers and then with younger customers I mean people uh below the age of forty, 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1749.07 1749.92 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1749.3 1757.66 and our our current customers are mainly forty plus uh which well Forty. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1754.82 1755.09 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1758.77 1759.25 So 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1756.32 1758.77 Fourteen or for O okay. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1758.82 1771.26 So that's to that's I mean there's a market but uh they will grow older older and you'll al always need to have the the future with younger people. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1771.26 1773.29 Um therefore, 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1770.33 1770.55 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1774.1 1780.35 younger people like trendy trendy designs, so that's w we should 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1781.89 1785.08 make our our our R. C. as trendy as possible but 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1786.23 1795.68 it should also be uh have a reliable image, so when it looks too too spacey or too fancy people will think well does it work at all. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1796.24 1796.57 Hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1796.29 1796.56 Mm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1796.56 1802.68 Yeah it's uh well you you can follow the ideas how you want to keep the keys,
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1802.68 1807.15 you know right now if you take it you have like zero, one, two,
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1807.15 1817.87 three like a keys separately, but suppose if you take the the present trend of mobile phones there are like big thick keys you press on the top,
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1817.87 1821.6 it takes one number, you press on the bottom it takes another number 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1821.6 1834.24 and uh basically uh uh so the space covered so that you don't see two separate keys there actually so it it is like uh um i i it is like uh 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1809.03 1809.37 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1814.79 1814.99 Mm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1829.36 1829.62 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1830.96 1831.19 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1834.63 1837.16 Ma Maybe Maybe you can draw it on the on the board uh 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1843.86 1847.98 that's the the the mm the new and the funky things, that's, yeah,
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1847.98 1852.31 there's lot there's lots of pretty mobile phones, not too many pretty remote controls. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1836.24 1837.27 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1852.31 1852.59 That's 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1837.27 1843.86 But I think taking the idea of getting inspiration from mobile phones is interesting, especially if we're going after a younger market,
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1836.64 1837.31 Yeah so. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1841.03 1841.31 Yeah. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1841.85 1842.15 Hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1843.27 1844.02 Yes yes mo 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1843.77 1846.24 Because they are already used to that, you know, product. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1846.24 1846.44 Yeah. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1846.23 1848.3 Yes it's recognisable 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1850.34 1850.83 Mm mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1852.61 1855.23 And and they are skilled uh by using it. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1855.38 1855.64 Mm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1855.92 1857.37 So for example uh 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1858.53 1861.39 Well uh 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1858.73 1859.03 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1866.82 1873.23 So, for example you have uh presently uh keys like one, two, 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1865.86 1866.82 Fine. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1862.71 1865.86 Okay, it works. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1868.19 1870.15 Mael can you hand me over this uh? 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1868.85 1869.23 Yes. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1874.1 1874.56 Uh thank you. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1874.61 1885.11 three like this, actually, and uh uh four five six like that and uh you can have keys like this in form like 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1875.65 1875.8 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1886.55 1888.38 uh keys like that 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1886.63 1886.99 Okay. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1891.47 1893.79 'Cause we haven't talked about demographic at all and it's a very important issue. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1889 1891.47 How much longer have we got for the meeting by the way? 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1890.61 1894.42 Mm well I think fi five min Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1891.59 1892.16 Forty minutes? 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1894 1902.04 Yeah so you you you can have uh keys like uh which are which are like so. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1905.39 1915.11 too sorry, so we basically don't change the uh original order of them but then the keys are more spacious,
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1915.11 1922.65 they don't look uh so there there is a very sligh thing, so if you press on the top it takes the one,
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1928.2 1940.84 so the keys can be it looks you know not very much cluttered but it looks nice for you don't have too many keys but you can have a lot of options t if you press on the to 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1922.65 1928.2 it takes the three, uh four, sorry four here uh five and six 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1914.67 1914.95 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1921.8 1921.95 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1927.54 1927.74 Mm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1933.43 1933.84 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1936.41 1936.62 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1938.91 1939.43 Okay. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1943.14 1951.02 Uh we should now uh try to decide um on our target group. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1940.28 1943.14 'Kay I I think now that the idea's clear. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 1941.68 1942.1 Yep. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1942.66 1942.87 Yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1943.01 1943.18 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1951.9 1953.87 Which I think is quite tricky. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1951.3 1951.9 Yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1953.87 1961.21 Um, basically we're trying to get people to buy a remote control wouldn't they already have a remote control with their television when they buy one? 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1953.67 1953.85 Yeah. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1963 1965.42 So our our our remote control has to be better. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1961.63 1963 Of course they have already one. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1965.89 1971.11 But it's not going to have more functionality, 'cause it's only a low market, it's a cheap-end remote control,
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1976.26 1979.08 th the design of it but that's not a big seller,
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1971.11 1976.26 we can't beat modern functionality, we might we'll be able to beat them on th the look of it 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1985.3 1987.87 So I'm not sure how we can get people to buy this thing. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1979.08 1985.3 if they're not just going to buy a new remote control just 'cause it looks pretty, they have to actually need it as well. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 1965.96 1966.25 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1982.56 1982.89 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1989.02 1989.61 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1989.61 1996.72 I well I think many people said uh in your in in your research uh uh 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 1996.05 1996.26 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 1998.15 2002.67 uh the appearance of the uh R. C. is is important when they are buying one but 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2001.91 2002.59 Yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2002.59 2004.27 But why are they buying one in the first place? 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2004.47 2004.79 Indeed. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2006.05 2007.92 So that will be about 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2009.94 2010.81 functionality 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2012.59 2013.15 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2013.15 2017.58 But if people are buying a new remote control for functionality they'll buy a universal remote. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2017.58 2023.93 I've got friends who've got so many things they need a universal remote, otherwise they're using five different remotes for their all their things. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2023.93 2027.87 In that case they wouldn't buy our product, because it doesn't give them what they need in terms of functionality. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2022.53 2023 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2023 2023.31 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2023.31 2023.54 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2028.18 2034.29 So your you think we should go for a more u universal high-performance 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2035.82 2038.7 We We're not building a universal remote, we're not building a high end product. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2033.44 2035.82 Well, we can't, with the price range. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2037.51 2040.89 What do What do you think about What componen 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2059.67 2060 Yeah. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2040.04 2059.67 Yeah we have yeah twelve point five Euros uh per uh per R. s R. C. and I think uh with this now you know that chips are very uh cheaps and uh we can include it in our control some new new features. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2043.14 2043.42 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2052.77 2053 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2059.67 2059.94 Mm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2061.07 2063.58 And um But yeah that's 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2061.28 2062.04 But yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2063.19 2068.69 If we're getting into universal remote territory, we're getting to L. C. D. screens and things like that which would drive the cost up a lot. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2070.94 2072.01 Is the L. C. D. screen 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2068.67 2069.32 I don't know. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2069.32 2070.94 I don't know whether that's necessary. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2068.71 2069.08 Ye 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2071.42 2076.81 I don't think L. C. D. is not necessary well, th for long term. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2071.67 2072.49 For universal remotes 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2074 2075.12 If you mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2075.51 2083.66 I think thi this could be this could be a market because uh universal remote controls uh tend to be uh quite expensive. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2083.96 2085.53 And quite complicated to use, yes. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2084.29 2091.71 S so we can try to go in between, and offer a product which is not as expensive and not as 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2092.53 2094.83 Not as flexible maybe, yeah, but s yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2091.44 2092.53 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2092.46 2093.02 complicated 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2093.54 2094.04 Yeah. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2094.21 2101.16 but but still but still people have the idea this is more functional than a normal uh uh 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2100.82 2101.58 Universal. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2102.36 2106.62 R. C. because it has more uh it it is in some kind universal. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2102.94 2103.23 Yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2103.02 2103.29 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2106.64 2106.92 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2108.67 2116.19 But if we're going for the say fifteen to twenty five age group then not many of them would actually own T. V. s to use a remote control on. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2116.94 2122.62 Mm yes but w we're targeting I think on more on the on the twenty to forty group. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2122.9 2124.33 Okay. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2124.33 2126.23 So they're yeah. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2125.42 2127.28 People yes. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2127.28 2131.61 Who just have or already have a job and have the money but 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2131.01 2131.28 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2133.19 2138.61 may not want to spend that much money on a on a universal universal control. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2135.59 2136.21 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2136.21 2136.38 Yep. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2138.26 2141.33 I don't know really what the the price range for remote controls is. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2146.04 2146.54 I don't know. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2141.33 2146.04 Are we gonna be at the very bottom of the price range, or are we kind of middle to bottom? 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2146.53 2148.17 Uh well 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2147.23 2148.19 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2151.04 2159.19 I think uh when we think it over I thi I think we are trying to offer the a kind of universal control for for less money. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2153.1 2153.41 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2159.4 2159.67 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2160.48 2160.84 Yeah. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2163 2165.87 So d Do you agree? 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2164.73 2165 Well 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2166.56 2171.25 Well I it's fine with me like the price as long as it is uh not too expensive. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2171.4 2188.6 Yeah because we have to take into account that we are gonna b we are gonna sell uh four aro around four million so when we speak about these numbers uh the price of a chip is uh price of a chip is very cheap. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2188.6 2197.75 So I'm okay for designing um a ne uh less yeah a a kind of universal uh R. C. yeah. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2172.26 2173.3 Uh and it d uh 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2174.37 2175.08 Our provin 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2187.52 2187.77 Mm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2187.76 2188.04 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2197.78 2200.17 You think it's possible for the twelve Euro fifty? 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2197.11 2197.78 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2200.73 2200.94 Yeah. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2201.36 2201.67 Okay. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2202.96 2204.23 Um so 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2205.32 2210.75 then we we decide on on on going to this more universal kind of control. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2210.59 2212.96 Uh yeah, that's that's what we needed basically. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2213.17 2213.66 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2213.52 2213.9 Mm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2213.9 2214.25 Okay. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2213.3 2213.52 Mm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2214.27 2215.77 Uh that's needed right now. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2215.77 2218.94 And uh basically you can look to the standards of other 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2215.78 2218.07 Yeah that's needed, yeah. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2218.07 2220.48 And if we want to get the market, we really need that. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2217.03 2217.25 Mm. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2218.42 2218.67 Yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2220.82 2225.53 So I guess what I'd like from a universal remote is maybe choosing between three devices,
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2219.81 2220.82 Yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2225.53 2229.31 being able to switch between them, there may be stereo, V. C. R. and T. V. . 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2221.11 2221.27 Actu 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2225.55 2225.92 Yes. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2229.28 2229.44 Yeah. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2229.46 2230.39 Exactly. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2230.37 2233.76 And just be able to s use them all from the same remote, but not at the same time. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2230.79 2231.1 Yes. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2231.29 2240.94 Yeah you can also browse through all the standards you know, where are the limit of standards for all of them and you can just browse through them. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2234.79 2234.89 Yeah. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2233.92 2234.79 Is that okay for you? 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2235.98 2237.04 Mm mm mm mm. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2237.23 2237.54 Yeah. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2240.83 2241.23 Yeah. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2241.48 2243.48 So given we are going for this uh 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2245.01 2263.13 uh universal type uh m maybe it is good when you try to find out which components you therefore need and y you will try to get more specific uh user interface content and uh maybe you can look on on what trends are in this uh in this type of market. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2252.23 2252.65 Yes. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2253.56 2253.77 Mm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2257.3 2258.16 Okay. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2258.16 2258.56 Okay. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2261.06 2262.06 Mm-hmm yep. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2265.08 2265.98 Voila. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2268.42 2268.73 Hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2269.89 2275.87 So anyone uh has a point to bring in or shall we no. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2270.5 2270.91 So. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2273.54 2273.73 Well. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2277.32 2286.6 We can we'll we'll go and we'll I'm sure we'll up something good for the 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2275.23 2277.32 Oh I don't have anything right now. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2277.84 2279.08 Oh that's that's fine then. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2278.41 2278.81 Okay. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2282.62 2282.98 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2282.69 2286.53 W yes, we uh we can have lunch now. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2286.53 2287.69 So um 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2283.9 2284.08 Yeah. 
IS1000b H00 FIE081 2286.04 2286.21 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2288.28 2291.16 Yeah so we meet in well what are our 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2288.76 2289.66 Then th 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2290.63 2296.91 th the next meeting will uh after lunch you have uh we have 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2298.12 2302.02 uh thirty minutes of work and then we have the next meeting. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2302.02 2305.92 But you will be informed via the computer. 
IS1000b H01 MIO082 2305.92 2306.28 Okay. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2307.15 2309.23 So see you later. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2305.14 2306.5 Okay. 
IS1000b H02 MIO050 2306.5 2307.15 Cool. 
IS1000b H03 MIO016 2306.83 2307.81 Okay perfect. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 12.73 14.09 Right first time this time. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 16.66 16.96 Nu 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 20.55 20.93 There we go. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 24.38 26.72 It's not that complicated, but I get it wrong every time. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 58.59 64.84 Okay so we are just waiting for Matthew. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 61.5 62.27 For Matthew, yep. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 62.68 63.53 Mm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 77.41 78.05 Uh 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 94.69 102.87 So I suggest we start the meeting uh without Matthew uh he's uh obviously late for some reason. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 97.33 97.64 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 98.51 98.95 Mm 'kay. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 105.93 106.81 Good. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 108.02 108.48 Um. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 110.47 113.47 Today uh we will uh talk about uh conceptual design. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 114.66 118.05 I hope uh you both did some uh some work uh 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 117.24 117.44 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 119.89 122.26 concerning a uh conceptual design. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 122.26 125.88 Um this will be the uh agenda for 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 129.65 130.59 Uh I will 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 127.2 129.65 the meeting uh. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 134.26 145.88 Um we will have the presentations of y of you different team members, and then try to come to decisions uh about the concepts uh you have presented. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 131.68 134.26 take some minutes uh again. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 133.81 134.03 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 138.49 138.69 Yep. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 140 140.21 Yep. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 147.24 152.51 So and that uh will uh we have some uh forty minutes uh to complete this uh. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 147.49 147.97 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 152.15 152.4 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 154.72 159.71 So um who has the fir do you ha Anna do you have your presentation ready? 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 158.36 160.11 I have a presentation, I'm just making this 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 159.41 166.08 Yeah I think yeah the Matthew it is it's important that Matthew yeah is here because 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 160.55 160.99 Okay. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 165.3 166.19 Ah there is Matthew. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 167.94 175.51 it's really a a team uh project with a team and if someone is not here then we cannot but it's okay it's good. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 172.29 172.67 Sorry. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 179.32 182.18 Okay I'll just email you this file, my presentation. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 184.76 185.15 So. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 187.05 187.29 Good. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 194.05 195.42 Do presentation ready? 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 195.33 196.54 Mm-hmm I'm just emailing it to you. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 196.98 197.61 Oh okay. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 206.41 206.78 So 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 208.86 210.03 So did you manage uh 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 210.58 212.78 Yeah I sent you the slides, you didn't see them? 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 213.6 215.37 Oh yes I see him, good yes. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 214.42 214.59 Okay. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 217.29 217.52 No. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 218.64 220.01 So 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 226.5 227.02 'Kay. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 244.15 245.63 Okay it should've gone through to you. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 246.31 248.03 Okay mm yes I have it. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 253.85 254.01 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 263.89 266.54 Um can I just put this on? 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 255.39 263.89 Okay so this is just a presentation on uh the trends that we're gonna use to make the product stand out from the rest of the products out there at the moment. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 271.67 277.08 So we have to work out a way what we can do with our product to make it stand out and make it so people wanna buy it. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 278.36 278.74 Um. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 279.8 284.02 This is to do this I will not remove my microphone. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 287.16 293.43 We basically used um some focus group surveys which I went through with you last time, the main results of that,
IS1000c H00 FIE081 293.43 304.46 and um some research on the current design um and fashion trends that are out there at the moment um, and as part of this 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 318.08 321.98 It needs to be not functional like the rest of the things out there at the moment. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 321.98 327.97 Most people find remote controls boring at the moment, we need to have something that looks interesting, that looks exciting, that will stand out. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 329.69 330.11 Um 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 316.7 318.08 It needs to stand out. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 307.05 309.94 The important aspects that came out were things that we've already discussed really. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 327.97 329.69 People will wanna buy it. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 309.94 312.41 The most important by far was the look and feel of it. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 312.41 316.7 It needs to be something that's very different from everything else out there. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 343.48 347.53 That's a really cool feature, and it has to make them wanna buy it again. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 339.71 343.48 People have to then think about it and say got something there that I want. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 338.56 339.71 apart from just the look of it. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 331.41 338.56 That was twice as i important as the next item on here which is that it has to be technologically innovative has to have something else 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 354.72 361.29 So they have to be able to be able to look at it and have some intuitive idea of how to use it um. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 347.94 354.72 Third on the list, and again innovative was twice as important as this last um aspect, it has to be easy to use. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 374.16 378.98 um eye-catching, really bold designs, and a spongy feel. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 385.3 387.73 That would make it stand out. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 387.73 388.12 Um. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 362.82 369.36 Drawing on the fashion trends at the moment, uh fruit and vegetables um. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 369.36 374.16 This is basically talking about just the the feel of it, so probably not the smell of it, but the bright colours,
IS1000c H00 FIE081 378.98 385.3 Um I had a talk to the design people about this, but having a remote that's tactile, that feels different, that would be really cool. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 374.39 374.75 Mm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 377.12 377.64 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 377.68 377.86 Mm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 387.2 387.35 Hmm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 389.03 392.79 So can you repeat and be more precise about what you just said? 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 393.51 394.4 Spongy feel? 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 393.9 397.51 Uh about the feeling yeah uh yo 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 396.13 399.07 You can 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 412.18 416.94 that'll be something that sets it apart, rather than just bare plastic which they all are at the moment. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 408.2 412.18 so if we make it like maybe furry or soft or something,
IS1000c H00 FIE081 400.98 408.2 Spongy is the current texture, but basically there are no reports no remotes at the moment which are spongy or tactile at all 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 396.56 400.98 Well ma make it not necessar sp spongy is the current thing. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 411.27 411.9 Okay. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 413.16 413.53 Mm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 417.14 417.57 Yeah. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 418.08 418.39 Okay. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 419.92 426.7 So as far as the design goes, the very most important aspect was the design, to the customers. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 433.05 439.09 the oranges and the the bright yellows and the florescent colours, part of the fruit and vegetables um. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 426.7 433.05 So going with the fruit and vegetable idea, we've got the bright colours, so makes it stand out,
IS1000c H00 FIE081 443.64 448.77 they've all got those a lot of them have the changeable covers, so they can choose what colour the outside is. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 440.53 443.64 Going back to the idea of taking inspiration from mobile phones,
IS1000c H00 FIE081 448.77 451.44 That's one way of looking at it um. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 454.22 456.24 Maybe it's another way of doing that. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 452.69 454.22 Textured feel we just talked about. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 456.24 462.98 So if it's part of the the changeable covers then may maybe they can choose a different texture, a spongy one or a soft one or something like that. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 472.15 476.19 Um and yeah, still taking the inspiration from the mobile phone design so 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 469.05 472.15 or just what they like, their sports team or whatever. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 462.98 469.05 So they can choose it li as they want to to maybe to fit in with their decor in their living room,
IS1000c H01 MIO082 455.01 455.24 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 465.25 466.6 Yeah that's a very good idea, yeah. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 470.21 470.47 Yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 486.4 488.52 They're big selling items. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 488.52 493.39 People put a lot of thought into that so we can leverage off that, and we can start using some of their ideas. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 481.73 486.4 Also just the way that a lot of industrial design is going into mobile phones at the moment. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 477.35 481.73 functionality, the way the mobile phones work, the way the keypad looks. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 510.43 514.67 There are other aspects like L. C. D. screens and speech recognition which weren't 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 502.48 510.43 Um we talked about having a way of finding a remote control if it's been lost, uh that's one thing we could look at. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 496.48 502.48 Um back to technological in in innovation, not quite as important, but still a big issue. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 521.32 526.83 I think we're better doing something basic like this which is very important and very will be a really cool feature to put in. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 515.78 521.32 I don't think, in my personal opinion, gonna be worth the extra expense and the extra effort that will go into them. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 520.9 521.28 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 528.01 528.43 And 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 530.44 538.99 I had no real specific ideas for this, maybe we just, the basic idea of having your core functions big and at the top maybe,
IS1000c H00 FIE081 538.99 547.47 by themselves, and then yeah and then th th the finer details of buttons you don't use as much either hidden away or completely separate. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 529.45 530.44 use. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 538.36 538.91 Mm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 539.88 543.6 Yes well maybe Matthew can can give some more information on the 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 541.73 541.92 Yeah. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 547.91 548.02 Mm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 548.53 548.79 Voila. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 549.02 550.87 Yep and that's the presentation. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 551.36 553.1 Okay good, that's very clear. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 553.39 554.52 Yeah very clear. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 553.88 554.16 Yeah. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 555.2 555.49 'Kay. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 557.16 557.67 Um. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 557.79 560.58 So does anyone have any comments or ideas on that? 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 560.58 561 I think you 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 558.58 559.04 Uh 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 560.88 575.34 Maybe we yes well we maybe can decide later on um the l the the look and feel of uh I've it was a good idea maybe to to 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 578.12 578.37 Yeah. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 575.57 578.12 To let the people choose, you mean? 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 577.46 580.79 Yes the the the there are changeable covers 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 580.79 597.18 but on the other hand I I don't know whether my superiors would be so glad with it because you have to introduce a complete uh uh new l line of uh of supplies uh it would be uh very complicated uh organisational 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 593.55 593.84 Hmm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 597.62 599.74 Well we're selling so many units of this. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 599.74 603.27 This is gonna be a mass marketed product, we can afford to have two or three different designs at least. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 600.99 601.86 Hmm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 601.86 602.41 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 602.71 607.57 Yeah a range of uh yeah, a set of three, four different aspects. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 604.67 605.04 Yes. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 605.13 606.55 Mm mm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 607.98 608.27 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 608.84 612.18 Sure that fits the 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 609.79 621.87 Yes and of course it will be a we we get a if it works we can get uh after-sales I mean that would would be very good I mean those covers could go for for three 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 621.87 623.37 five Euro. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 616.37 616.62 Mm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 618.52 618.62 Yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 622.73 623.01 Mm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 625.42 627.1 That's a very good idea um 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 628.77 630.32 And then uh 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 631.44 635.33 maybe uh we can go a th Matthew's presentation because 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 635.44 641.04 Yeah s then we could discuss later like we can put all ideas together. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 636.1 636.32 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 636.53 637.13 the 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 641.01 647.29 Together indeed uh, because you ma might have some some information on the the easy to use, what you were already mentioning. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 641.72 642.01 Mm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 641.92 643.41 Yeah yeah I agree. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 642.02 643.29 It should be easier with that. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 645.78 646.08 Yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 645.89 646.6 Mm-hmm, yeah. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 646.23 646.57 Yeah. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 647.67 653.53 And your part is very related to mine because when you suggest something then it has to be integrated inside. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 647.72 648.08 So 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 649.8 650.1 Yeah. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 651.57 658.84 Yeah so I'll I'll go with that actually so um 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 655.23 655.81 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 705.99 714.35 and uh maybe like you can have different colours for example having the r red for the on off switching on and off the button. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 687.52 705.99 and uh they could be like buttons or like and um they could be of uh a varying sizes if you want to to uh basically emphasize a particular key more than the other 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 671.11 687.52 Okay so m so then the the idea of uh having a remote is generally you have uh different keys and uh different structures, different forms 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 720.17 728.61 So what I have found was that uh currently uh the they are mostly that the T. V. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 728.61 734.41 V. C. R., music system operated ones actually, and they are very specific to each other 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 714.42 720.17 So this this is the general trend to ha the method they do. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 734.41 752.23 but there are some common keys for example if you want to follow the V. C. R. and if you want to follow the uh g uh s some uh soundtrack on the w w see they have the common thing actually you can have and uh 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 716.16 716.44 Yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 716.74 716.98 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 748.46 748.62 Mm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 763.35 767.29 V. C. R. or something I say it to the T. V. and the T. V. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 752.42 763.35 There is also um a speech recognition to store channel information, names, like You can basically if you have a multiple functionality, say T. V. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 767.29 775.45 and you can programme the keys if you want to, certain keys are even the channel information. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 765.07 765.25 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 775.07 779.75 I like the idea though of having speech recognition for like the n the name of a channel like B. B. C. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 774.31 775.07 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 779.75 781.74 rather than having to remember the the number of it on the keypad. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 781.74 782.38 That's a good idea. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 781.66 794.41 Yeah yeah so you you you can just uh because uh as more and more channels come then you have more and more problems to remember the v v exact channel numbers ex exactly,
IS1000c H02 MIO050 794.41 801.96 even if you arrange it by however you arrange it, you still have the problem to remember exactly which channel you want to 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 791.91 792.08 Mm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 793.66 794.1 Yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 797.81 798.04 Hmm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 799.57 800.29 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 800.29 801.2 Yeah I really like that idea. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 801.16 804.02 So what functionalities do you suggest for that? 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 805.19 806.22 For facing this problem? 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 833.12 836.8 You know you don't want to st store all the hundred channel information into that. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 822.95 830.57 Basically you want you don't want to store all the channels in the remote control, you want to st store your favourite channel. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 830.57 833.12 Yeah some ten twelve channel information. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 805.28 809.53 So it it it's like it limited one. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 809.53 815.9 In the present market I saw it that says something like they are looking for eighty word thing,
IS1000c H02 MIO050 815.9 822.95 eighty word, which shouldn't be th that difficult to implement, like eighty to hundred word. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 816.64 816.87 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 826.54 826.8 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 829.76 831.52 Maybe ten channels, yeah at the most. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 833.16 833.55 Okay. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 835.32 835.57 Mm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 847.8 859.05 and uh uh you are having a universal remote control and you want to uh you don't know really which functionality is now 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 859.05 860.56 so I am using the T. V. so 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 837.45 847.8 And uh basically uh it depends like the remote with L. C. D. display for browsing because you have multiple functionalities for example you are watching a movie 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 879.52 884.59 and for you and you might want you don't want separate keys for all of them. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 873.4 879.52 instead of having three keys separately for four keys, to model the functionalities will increase actually 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 860.61 867.46 every time I use it, it could be like, for example I can use a simple toggle switch,
IS1000c H02 MIO050 867.46 873.4 and a display, so I press it so the display says, okay, I'm in T. V. or D. V. D. or whatever it is,
IS1000c H02 MIO050 884.59 885.41 You can't. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 872.47 872.64 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 872.74 873.12 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 874.83 876.23 Oh yeah yeah yeah mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 877.74 877.97 Mm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 878.62 878.84 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 882.26 882.37 Mm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 900.3 905.06 So these are the things presently which are seen in the market scenarios at present. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 885.74 897.96 And uh well there can be children friendly where you can programme your remote so that they they are not allowed uh to browse certain channels which you can block them 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 897.96 900.3 and you can operate them. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 900.1 900.61 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 926.91 939.2 I got a mail from the the coffee machine interface unit that uh they have uh integrated the s speech recognition into a into the coffee machine,
IS1000c H02 MIO050 915.22 926.91 like instead of having unusual ones for all of them you can think of having, um with multiple functionality possibly with speech recognition. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 939.2 944.84 and so if you say hello coffee machine, it say hi Joe, or something like that, you know, and uh 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 905.38 915.22 I personally would look at things like having a u universal remote, is uh um is a good idea,
IS1000c H00 FIE081 920.27 920.51 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 939.4 939.86 Mm b 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 944.45 948.42 But a coffee machine, there's not too many words they'd be using with that it's a it's a small vocabulary. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 986.54 987.41 the blinking. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 955.16 964.03 and basically storing the channel through voice or other ways of programming your keys 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 945 955.16 Yeah you you won't be using it, so it's a limited vocabulary mm thing, and very isolated word and it's uh it is interesting 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 971.87 986.54 like uh it could indicate you're uh it it could indicate what is cal like the uh whether uh you you have enough battery in your in your uh remote 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 964.03 971.87 on the display for the browsing which is again and maybe having something like a blinking thing 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 987.41 994.19 At the same time, if it's a dark room, it can be used to locate the remote also or 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 949.78 950.07 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 952.62 952.87 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 963.46 963.66 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 980.56 980.7 Mm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 986.13 986.5 Yeah. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1001.3 1002.03 Some of them? 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 994.18 1001.3 And you want okay for coming back to one point y you want to let the user to programming the keys? 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 996.69 997.95 Two thirty five supposed to finish. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1002.02 1003.52 Yeah you can let them to do that. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1003.25 1014.23 And uh isn't that too difficult for the we want w I don't know if we still want the um R. C. to be easy to use, that's the compromise. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1011.59 1011.76 Hmm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1033.13 1033.52 So it de 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1023.18 1033.13 so if you want to give the full freedom to the user or you want to keep some constraints and let the user use it with that constraint. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1012.87 1019.15 N no but the if you give it d depends on the easiness like the user how much effort he can put. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1019.15 1023.18 Like for example uh I would like to store in certain way 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1016.42 1016.64 Yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1019.06 1019.2 Hmm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1026.07 1026.2 Mm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1026.9 1027.13 Yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1029.17 1029.47 Yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1031.14 1031.49 Mm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1032.84 1033.02 Yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1039.23 1043.52 or if they want to they have the option of using these extra features. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1034 1039.23 You can have it so it's easy they can pick it up and use it straight away without doing anythi without customizing it 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1033 1034 I think you can do it both ways. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1037.06 1037.66 A standard. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1038.94 1039.25 Yeah. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1043.02 1054.21 Um yes but but I do maybe you can give a hand to us because I I'm not sure whether that that we can implement that for twelve Euro and fifty cents. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1054.21 1055.29 I'm sorry to have 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1043.35 1044.11 So 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1043.47 1043.79 Yeah. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1054.06 1056.36 So 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1054.69 1054.94 Hmm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1055.68 1067.11 Every time I have to come down on this price again to so this might be a little limiting for your creativity, but it's it's it's the real 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1058.74 1059.67 Hmm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1064.28 1064.55 Hmm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1068.12 1070.14 We have to consider it. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1070.14 1075.97 S so do we think these ideas an and my uh sp speech recognition 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1075.97 1090.67 I mean maybe it's possible for for twelve Euro but then then it will be at cost of other functionality we might implement like the uh uh the the the furry uh uh case of the 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1070.51 1070.83 Yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1083.68 1083.99 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1090.25 1090.57 Hmm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1097.07 1103.72 uh it could be uh easily uh done within the the package of twel twelve Euros,
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1090.65 1097.07 Mm-hmm yeah like I would say that for programming uh keys, you said 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1103.72 1110.71 but for the A. S. R. system, uh I'm not sure if it's feasible to have this or 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1096.21 1096.43 Yeah. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1103.28 1103.9 Mm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1103.33 1103.58 Yeah. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1109.61 1119.09 We well we can still look at we can talk with the coffee unit and you can uh check how much how much they yeah yeah yeah. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1111.58 1111.84 We 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1114.42 1122.64 Exactly yeah i if if it's a low vocabulary it's already implemented, and w how much it's cost, maybe with a f cheap chip. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1118.63 1118.85 Mm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1121.23 1126.16 Maybe we can come we we can talk to them, and we can come with that, you know. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1136.16 1145.51 so you really need a some kind of indicator, so it could be a blinking option of L. E. D. it could actually be used to detect also. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1145.51 1148.43 If it's in a dark room you can basically detect it also. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1126.16 1133.06 And also well you can think of having uh since you have a you know something maybe if you added little bit of display 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1133.06 1136.16 you might need the to che keep checking the battery,
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1122.46 1123.17 Mm mm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1125.33 1125.52 Yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1138.82 1139.04 Hmm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1142.56 1142.82 Hmm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1143.78 1144.02 Yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1147.07 1147.3 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1148.18 1148.33 Hmm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1148.61 1149.83 Yeah. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1148.98 1149.17 Hmm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1149.44 1150.1 So 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1149.74 1150 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1149.75 1152.33 I like the idea too of being able to use the remote in the dark 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1152.33 1157.6 so either having the buttons so you can feel the difference between them or if they if they light up or something. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1162.32 1167.68 like if you have an L. C. D. display and all those things it's not going to be the standard remote 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1167.68 1175.76 which is having uh which need just uh six six volt uh th sorry three volts um of D. C. . 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1156.27 1162.32 No actually i if i it is like you know it tells you um, it can be for two purposes 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1162.01 1162.3 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1164.34 1164.6 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1167.27 1167.52 Hmm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1172.01 1172.33 Mm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1183.68 1186.39 some functionality to indicate the battery limit. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1188.99 1198.55 if it could be ind indicated through a blinking something and it can change the colour depending on your uh how much is the battery 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1186.39 1188.99 And then if the battery limit is indicated 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1198.55 1201.48 well that is good enough to even locate even if you want to. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1176.17 1183.68 It may need more actually, so y you you may need to check your battery usage it and then you need that 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1182.71 1182.98 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1185.51 1185.7 Hmm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1186.15 1186.88 It's true. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1192 1192.23 Mm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1201.65 1202.09 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1202.8 1203.08 You know. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1203.84 1204.45 'Kay good. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1204.92 1205.72 Yeah so 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1205.67 1208.28 I don't know how if if I have time to talk about the 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1208 1209.5 Mm yes um I would 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1211.1 1211.46 Yep. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1208.72 1211.1 You you have time some more? 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1211.78 1214 Yes yes you can you can still. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1214 1214.53 We have time. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1213.58 1218.58 Okay. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1213.63 1217.57 Sure you can you know. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1223.8 1240.33 So what I'm gonna present here is very uh um yeah basic knowledge about the all the the components that are inside a a R. C. a remote control,
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1240.33 1246.56 and how is it manufactured h what is the process, just to explain you. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1254.23 1264.7 and uh what cost the the components in themself do not cost a lot but the the way to assemble everything costs obviously 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1246.56 1254.23 So the method is ther there is a a set of components in a in a remote control like 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1264.7 1269.52 and I will uh show you my preferences uh uh at the end. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1239.23 1239.52 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1270.72 1275.56 So there are two uh different types of uh um 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1276.46 1277.06 Nice. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1276.6 1281.28 Two different ways of using the the components for making a a remote control. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1281.28 1301.18 Uh the basic way is to use a an integrated circuit and some uh transistors with an that aims at communicating uh uh the message and to to send the message to the um to the led that will uh transmit to the receiver. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1301.18 1312.19 And uh yeah the other components and the circuit board buttons, infrared, led, etcetera, for the components um. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1277.35 1277.76 Hmm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1329.84 1338.3 and uh uh that's, with the components we will use, we will have different uh messages, different sequences 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1321.94 1329.84 to a sequence, something like morse code, as you know, uh with a different sequence for each key,
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1338.3 1346.34 and the chips sends that signal signal to the transistor that amplify to make it stronger um. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1314.18 1321.94 So you finding, just to say that the chip can detect uh when a key is pressed, and then it translate to the key,
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1325.45 1325.85 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1325.68 1326 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1347.57 1356.65 So electronic parts are assembled onto uh printed boards uh because it's easier to mass produce and assemble. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1370.64 1382.15 and this is important, and also we'll use uh yeah like in any uh high-tech uh devices a chip of fi fibreglass to them and connect them. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1356.65 1370.64 And uh so I think for our design we want some b uh programmable uh you know V. V. L. S. I. or F. P. G. A. uh high technology,
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1367.03 1368.61 Yeah mm mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1379.67 1380 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1405.45 1405.98 Yes. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1384.72 1396.35 So my personal design we need to find a solution what um what is the material of the cover we want to use. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1396.35 1405.45 If it's plastic or you said that yeah you had some ideas uh like fruit, veg or I dunno. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1397.57 1397.79 Mm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1422.49 1424.15 I mean just what 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1416.54 1422.49 So like a normal cheap plastic case which can be covered up in, for instance, a wooden case. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1413.85 1416.54 with the changeable covers to fancy it up. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1403.44 1413.85 Well well m m maybe m maybe we can give the uh the uh the case a very uh uh normal a v very normal case but 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1413.3 1413.65 Yes. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1415.84 1416.08 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1419.17 1419.4 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1419.49 1420.1 Yeah. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1419.78 1420.08 Yes. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1422.78 1424.6 Mm just have a yeah 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1428.7 1442.74 So they also emailed me that uh they have available a bunch of different buttons, a scroll wheels, integrated push buttons s such as a computer mouse. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1442.74 1454.41 And uh very cheap L. C. D. s, so liquid crystal displays, so I'm wondering, I think we might be able to integrate L. C. D. into our R. C. . 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1423.42 1425.98 Yeah like they do in with cars I think. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1425.98 1428.7 Yeah inside the car yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1426.05 1427.45 Just the veneer on it, yeah. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1442.67 1443.01 Yeah. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1502.47 1505.76 So to to sum up um 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1480.62 1486.32 And the display requires an advanced chip, which in turns is more expensive than the regular chip 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1467.82 1480.62 but the scroll wheel uh and that kind of higher high-tech stuff needs more money um which is a higher price range alright. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1497.78 1502.47 then I think w we could be able to handle that. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1463.54 1467.82 So we have to know that the push button requires a simple chip 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1486.32 1497.78 but I think uh with twelve Euros um and if it's uh uh made for mm four million uh items 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1454.99 1463.54 And the final point okay is um we have yeah there are some uh compromise to to do. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1463.28 1463.44 Hmm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1497.01 1497.32 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1522.96 1537.27 And uh for the designing of the cove uh uh cover layout then it's better to to to maybe see that with uh the the U. R. exp U. R. I. Expert so that we can it's really a team-working uh. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1507.25 1522.96 we need yeah so I I just said that the components uh the list of components uh has to be uh yeah listed and um and um assembly is a an important process that has to be taken into account. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1537.27 1540.64 So I I cannot design something without your agreement, right? 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1526.48 1526.73 Sorry. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1527.01 1527.28 Mm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1537.25 1537.42 Mm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1552.16 1556.12 or if you want to store a programmes with a keys 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1540.39 1552.16 Yeah so of course for example uh I wanted to know like if you want to have a a fo if you want to have the L. C. D. display over there 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1540.62 1541.99 No of course. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1550.56 1550.93 Yes. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1557.76 1561.13 What kind of things you'll need inside your thin inside 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1562.23 1563.53 W wh what 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1562.74 1570.2 Yeah it's kind of um simple pro progra programmable device, and we have to insert. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1570.2 1574.48 I think we could insert one that could underlie several functions of 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1564.55 1565.04 W what 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1568.39 1568.75 Okay. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1570.24 1570.58 Okay. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1574.53 1580.08 Okay so in that case you can even look at the technology what the mobile phone is trying to use with the card. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1580.92 1583.42 Exactly yeah, for customizing and yeah. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1585.27 1591.95 How f cost effective it would be to put that car chip into it and do the programmable things. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1581.56 1585.27 Yeah where they do all the wi with with them actually. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1584.9 1585.28 Okay. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1590.41 1590.65 Yeah. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1590.87 1591.26 So 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1591.73 1593.08 Yeah good idea. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1605.8 1615.73 but when we want a scrolling wheel w we also need the expensive chip, so can we use same chip, so with one expensive chip 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1600.15 1605.8 Um so I understand uh when we want a display we need a expensive chip,
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1592.26 1600.15 So I f I think we we should come to some decisions now uh a about this. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1596.15 1598.2 Yeah. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1617 1622.95 we can uh implement several complicated uh or advanced features. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1622.66 1631.13 Exactly yeah that's a very good idea, we could have uh one main chip uh that could handle, uh it's called F. P. G. A. chip 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1631.13 1638.87 that could handle both uh like scrolling wheels as well as uh L. C. D. and yeah. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1623.55 1623.78 Yes. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1627.39 1627.61 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1630.93 1631.28 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1630.95 1631.45 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1639.06 1647.79 So when the more expensive chip you mentioned there is is possible in the in the given budget, uh maybe we should go for for the more expensive chip 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1647.79 1653.76 so all features uh which you mentioned can be implemented based on the same chip. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1654.27 1654.62 Yes. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1655.33 1657.31 D well 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1657.67 1658.67 Do you think that's feasible? 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1660.19 1664.59 Well I don't know if it'll fit into our cost of twelve point five Euro you know. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1664.2 1664.55 Uh 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1665.04 1666.2 You th you think it's possible. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1666.38 1668.44 Is it possible to fit in to that? 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1667.75 1677.84 Yeah also thinking, I think both uh if we had a budget of twenty twenty uh Euros, it will be okay, but uh 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1672.72 1673 Sorry. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1676.02 1676.35 Hmm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1679 1681.41 Well maybe we need specific costings then. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1681.41 1687.22 Actually do maybe two designs and then cost them out and see which one is gonna fit in our budget better. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1687.43 1688.72 Yeah that's an excellent idea. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1696.98 1698.5 That w that would be a very good idea. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1687.64 1696.98 Mm yes wh when you make a a design ca you can next meeting you can give an quite an exact cost price. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1695.48 1697.73 Yeah yeah. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1697.73 1704.05 Yeah because right now I don't have price in in head but for next meeting I'm sure yeah be able to do that. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1697.21 1697.4 Mm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1700.58 1701.08 Mm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1702.55 1704 Good good. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1703.19 1709.78 Yeah that's uh that's something which I wanted to ask you also, like what will be the each individually the cost of it. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1709.78 1717.74 For example if f if you want to put wood I wouldn't suggest for wood uh 'cause it's I think it's m 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1709.59 1709.88 Yeah. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1714.33 1714.66 Okay. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1718.9 1723.85 much easier to use a plastic or a rubber rather than wood. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1723.85 1731.6 It will be much ch much expensive th though it's the most natural thing, but 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1722.3 1723.21 Yeah. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1720.61 1722.3 I agree on that. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1721.82 1722.04 Mm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1737.33 1744.86 and then people can fancy it up with with more expensive materials which which come with a with another price. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1728.72 1737.33 Yes but I can I think uh I think we can just use more cheap plastic for a kind of basic edition 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1737.51 1737.8 Yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1737.91 1738.15 Hmm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1739.38 1741.63 Yeah it's uh 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1743.77 1746.7 Yeah we we can give a preference to them 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1746.7 1756.64 but it is but with plastic or the rubber or whatever it is it's much better with that rather than going for 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1756.68 1757.42 Do do you agree? 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1772.6 1782.08 and maybe with uh graphs or I don't know uh User Interface Designer you could maybe uh help us on that. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1761.78 1772.6 and we need maybe to centre our description on uh the the really the what buttons what uh functionality we want to offer to the user 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1757.25 1761.78 Yeah but i it's a detailed uh yeah yeah uh plastic versus uh wood 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1757.62 1758.39 Mm yeah sure. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1760.63 1760.83 Yeah. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1772.53 1772.77 Yeah. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1782.66 1791.07 Ma I I think uh for next meeting we c you two can present a real design. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1787.55 1787.77 Yeah. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1789.37 1789.74 Yea 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1791.14 1791.66 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1791.28 1791.74 Okay. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1792.31 1794.15 Uh so drawing it on the board. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1794.34 1794.86 Perfect yeah. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1795.41 1800.86 And then we now sh only have to t to decide the general function uh. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1801.97 1804.09 So um 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1806.6 1811.45 Let let's say next meeting w you produce two designs, one one 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1808.64 1810.74 Yeah sure. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1812.64 1813.88 Yeah we will uh 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1813.44 1816.72 one less advanced and one more advanced and with the cost price. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1815.78 1815.92 Yeah. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1816.01 1816.15 Yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1816.71 1816.91 Mm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1818.72 1827.83 Uh furthermore we go for the for the uh basic plastic case which can be later uh fancied up with uh 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1818.97 1819.21 Uh. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1828.98 1836.7 with addit uh additional uh, how do you call them, these like like mobile telephones you can put a cover over it. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1836.7 1839.08 But that that that that can be done later. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1839.08 1841.93 We now can concentrate on the on the basic remote control. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1835.9 1836.14 Mm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1836.32 1836.54 Yeah. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1838.58 1839.69 Yeah customized. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1841.03 1841.25 Mm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1843.73 1844.5 Um. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1843.77 1845.68 Okay. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1847.56 1849.95 We can give them smooth keys, you know. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1851.44 1852.65 Smooth keys 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1853.83 1855.53 with bigger s uh 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1856.62 1857.55 So that you know 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1863.44 1870.85 and every time we have to be very but if i the if we if we go to a different ways of designing those keys 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1870.85 1873.91 then you can merge them together to 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1858.63 1863.44 The the problem most of the time we've seen, the keys is that it's small 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1862.88 1863.2 Yeah. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1863.2 1863.44 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1873.19 1876.51 So is there any of these that you're looking at particularly or is this just ideas? 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1899.64 1902.72 Uh big keys may better for them actually and uh 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1891.05 1899.64 At the same time, it is m more uh like it would be more interesting for people who are having this R. S. I. and all problem. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1875.83 1883.31 Oh you can actually, for example, if you see, they are they are they are quite small over here, and uh now you can,
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1883.31 1891.05 for example, as I was if you make them big, it may change the look of the thing also to the people. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1880.23 1880.66 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1884.9 1885.13 Hmm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1888.67 1888.93 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1891.24 1891.53 Mm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1891.47 1891.82 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1897.87 1899.13 Mm yeah. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1898.15 1901.5 Yes yes yes bi big keys is is good thing I think. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1900.79 1901.25 You see? 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1902.67 1905.71 I agree yeah, and not too m too many keys of course yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1903.54 1903.81 Yeah. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1905.45 1906.09 No no. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1907.76 1913.05 a r r remote control we have at home is one that's actually got a cover on the bottom so the bottom bit is just,
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1913.05 1918.93 covers half the keys most of the time, and then you can slide the cover back to get to the the more advanced keys. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1905.48 1907.76 Mm well one I've had before 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1906.48 1906.89 Yeah. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1914.6 1915.08 Mm mm mm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1933.46 1940.61 that you can elsewhere open your remote control and on the inside are uh buttons you don't use that much. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1919.03 1928.41 Mm w but then you have still have uh when you don't use it you have such a a an extent of your remote control which you don't use. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1928.41 1933.46 So maybe it's possible uh, I don't know whether you can can indicate this 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1919.03 1919.3 Yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1927.27 1927.49 Mm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1933.75 1933.88 Yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1935.27 1935.52 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1937.28 1937.67 Yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1939.43 1941.55 Um yeah I've seen that before too. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1941.55 1946.63 Anoth another like b it flips up and then you've got another layer of buttons underneath. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1941.12 1941.35 Yeah. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1944.59 1944.83 Yes. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1944.63 1945.53 Yes. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1946.66 1952.78 Yeah so it's something like this, the model here s you can put the keys 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1949.28 1949.57 Mm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1950.19 1950.83 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1951.8 1956.3 But I've seen also with keys and buttons on the top of here as well. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1951.99 1952.67 That's what you mean? 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1954.29 1958.15 Yes I I th that's what I mean so I mean something 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1954.72 1955.35 Yeah. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1955.35 1955.63 Yeah. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1959.65 1960.65 like like a book. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1960.11 1960.95 I like this one. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1960.95 1961.93 I like the shape of this one. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1962.34 1962.61 Yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1963.59 1972.83 Can we have can we think about maybe having a a non-recta non non-rectangular one, so with not just the straight little box that's a maybe curved or something. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1964.67 1966.53 Yeah I like also this one. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1971.8 1984.46 the point is w maybe we need to also to make a decision on how how how big we want to be and how many buttons like n we should dec decide numbers or 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1971.17 1971.8 Yeah 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1971.54 1972.41 Yeah, mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1983.05 1985.29 I think we might be out of time out of time for this meeting. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1980.06 1981.95 Mm mm 'kay. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1981.95 1983.05 Is this for the next meeting though? 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1981.94 1982.95 We should make a 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1983.42 1984.39 Mm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1985.43 1987.69 Yeah that yeah next meeting we should be 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1987.17 1987.5 Okay. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1987.19 1988.92 Ju just make two designs, 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1988.83 1991.32 Yeah that would depend upon us actually. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1989.19 1989.66 Yeah yeah yeah. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1990.69 1994 and the we we can decide decide between th those designs. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 1993.81 1993.95 Yep. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 1994.05 1996.06 Yeah okay. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1995.59 1996.93 I think that would be a good idea. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 1996.93 2001.05 So anyone uh any questions for now? 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 1996.5 1996.78 Perfect. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 2000.42 2001.41 No no. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 2001.3 2001.6 No. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 2003.06 2003.9 I don't have. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 2003.91 2008.83 So is this is there anything else I need to do from a marketing point of view for the next meeting? 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 2008.02 2011.31 Um yes I come to that uh uh 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 2011.8 2014.35 Maybe it would be interesting if you could look um 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 2015.33 2020.69 for the cost inventories of other devices, if you're using speech recognition or something like that. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 2025.49 2033.42 Yes well m maybe uh, I don't know whether that's possible, maybe you can start evaluating uh their work somehow. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 2029.72 2030 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 2033.22 2037.1 Okay well is this me designing a way to evaluate it so 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 2038.28 2040.34 Thinking about how to set up test groups and things? 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 2040.4 2046.28 I don't know whether that's possible uh in the given time but a as far as possible. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 2043.6 2043.89 Mm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 2046.46 2046.81 Okay. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 2048.21 2052.48 So uh you two will be together w working on a o on two prototypes 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 2048.38 2048.52 Yep. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 2049.81 2050.86 Exactly. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 2050.48 2052.06 Mm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 2052.84 2053.02 Yeah. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 2053.84 2057.37 and further instructions will be uh will be sent to you by uh by email. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 2057.08 2059.53 Two or three prototypes? 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 2059.53 2059.82 Two? 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 2058.44 2058.73 Two. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 2059.25 2059.48 Two. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 2071.59 2072.71 yeah that's how it is. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 2059.92 2071.59 One for like cost and the one with like higher-end so that then we can be easily comparing them or you know find a compromise between both of them 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 2061.12 2061.28 I 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 2063.42 2063.76 Okay. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 2064.16 2065.47 Mm and then 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 2064.19 2064.46 Mm. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 2067.86 2070.37 Yeah and find maybe a compromise. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 2068.75 2069.57 Hmm. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 2070.19 2070.4 Hmm. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 2071.41 2072.27 Yes okay. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 2072.4 2073.23 Perfect yeah. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 2072.69 2072.92 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 2073.65 2073.81 Yep. 
IS1000c H01 MIO082 2074.15 2075.31 Okay let's call this to an end. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 2076.31 2076.82 Thanks guys. 
IS1000c H00 FIE081 2075.48 2076.31 Mm 'kay. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 2075.52 2076.23 Okay. 
IS1000c H03 MIO016 2076.96 2077.28 Thanks. 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 2079.08 2080.02 So we are done 
IS1000c H02 MIO050 2082.23 2082.98 for now. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 7.27 10.11 Did you get my email with the slides? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 25.73 26.13 Ah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 26.13 26.64 Tricky. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 37.51 39.89 I guess I have to change the pen otherwise. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 39.89 43.31 Will be completely different. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 43.85 46.72 Maybe they're supposed the pen's supposed to go over the seats. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 42.64 43.85 Dunno. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 50.18 51.75 Might be seat floor rather than person. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 53.96 54.38 Yeah, put it back. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 54.96 55.46 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 55.46 59.04 And do you think it's. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 56.99 57.87 Yep. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 58.68 63.1 Okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 59.8 61.35 Jo's making faces at me. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 59.17 59.8 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 63.85 63.97 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 65.41 65.73 So. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 67.36 69.2 Matthew is uh late again. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 69.88 70.09 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 74.18 75.7 Um. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 70.51 74.18 Probably an important man. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 80.22 83.01 So well it is important for him to be here uh. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 83.02 84.92 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 86.15 88.14 So what can you? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 86.56 87.08 He he he 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 88.24 90.81 You did work together didn't you? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 97.08 104.85 but still I think uh it would be in very important if the uh as um main designer. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 89.28 97.08 Yeah we will yeah, so I will be able to to summarize uh our meeting 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 97.27 97.54 Yes. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 106.25 108.2 I think we can put on the here. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 109.58 109.86 Yes. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 108.56 109.58 Yes. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 116.4 124.8 Uh basically w yeah we we designed the two uh items. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 124.6 125.72 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 125.72 127.58 Um yes but w we 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 125.77 132.13 Um, can we have a phone, can someone 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 134.63 136.24 Yes, maybe we should phone him. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 137.11 139.5 it's really w well designed. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 137.44 138.01 Um well 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 138.66 138.82 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 144.04 147.81 Um so just for record I I will take uh notes again. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 139.47 144.04 Um, when he is not here we will just we just have to continue. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 139.91 142.18 Mm, object tracking. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 145.28 145.4 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 148.72 148.93 Okay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 149.28 150.49 And um 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 151.91 170.03 well first thing uh I was uh uh I got an email from uh from my superior again that we really should stay within the budget of the uh twelve Euro and fifty cents. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 170.03 173.74 It's uh well he said to me well uh 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 166.85 167.32 'Kay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 174.93 178.82 when you stay in it's good, when you don't stay in you have to redesign. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 178.82 185.73 There is no uh no negotiation uh possible in this matter. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 187.01 187.95 So we have to consider that. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 188.97 190.39 Good. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 189.06 189.24 Yep. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 193.7 194.36 Um 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 195.49 200.26 so maybe Anna, you can have your presentation. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 199.33 202.28 Well we can't no we can't do evaluation 'til we have a design. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 212.39 213.3 Okay Matthew. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 213.3 215.23 Nice uh you are here. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 215.34 215.62 Great. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 218.46 222.89 Oh ma maybe then you can start now with mm presenting your uh your designs. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 216.53 216.79 Great. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 216.79 218.46 Great. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 223.16 223.36 Yep. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 224.96 229.56 So I will start by the the basic one that uh 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 261.2 275.27 and uh it's kind of interesting shape because um unconsciously people want to s to surf when they see this stuff. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 275.27 278.33 And also it's not too far from um a mobile. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 253.76 261.2 And you you are supposed to surf to browse to surf T. V., maybe the web 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 230.92 239.45 fits into uh eight Euros actually, right, seven eight Euros,
IS1000d H02 MIO016 239.45 253.76 and uh well first for both they have um a special shape, maybe the designer can uh explain better than me, but uh it's like a surf board. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 236.66 236.94 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 253.97 254.24 Mm 'kay. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 274.33 275.2 Or browse. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 279.01 279.36 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 279.02 279.35 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 279.45 282.32 So people are used to that kind of shape, right. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 282.32 288.33 Don't take care too much about the colour because w yeah we don't take yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 288.33 296.83 So here would be basically the the the infrared uh uh led yeah L. A. L. A. L. E. D., 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 279.7 279.88 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 281.37 282.64 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 285.57 288.45 Now we are supposed to give some oper offers right now. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 293.42 295.04 I yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 293.6 293.88 Eye. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 293.86 294.14 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 296.85 297.81 L. E. D. . 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 304.06 308.94 On the on the left, okay, so easy to turn on t and off. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 300.52 304.06 Here would be the volume. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 297.93 300.52 the on-off button, in red. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 308.94 316.52 And um so this is a very cheap version so there are maybe you can carry on uh Matthew. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 299.17 299.51 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 303.47 303.79 Oh yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 304.77 305.02 Uh-huh. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 305.24 305.77 Mm-hmm, hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 306.49 306.64 Yes. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 325.98 332.54 uh, if you have a video or something you can forward, back. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 316.5 325.98 Also so you have uh uh browsing the channels, actually so you can go up and down the channels,
IS1000d H00 FIE081 323.45 323.7 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 324.68 324.85 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 332.07 336.43 How can you change from V. C. R. to uh T. V., by the way? 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 346.04 351.83 So and then we have usually there twelve keys but we know that we rel that we have only ten digits. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 351.83 359.34 The extra two are for uh having or giving an option for uh having more than one channel. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 342.22 346.04 No no just sorry, this is a standard T. V. one, we are not talking about that. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 337.46 342.22 Oh no no no, this is a single this this is a model with just the T. V. one. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 341.78 342.28 Okay yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 342.28 343.53 Yeah yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 342.43 343.22 Ah, okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 351.34 351.64 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 360.76 365.2 And the other one is for the teletext or something you want to browse through from that. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 365.2 365.55 Actually. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 363.38 363.55 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 365.05 365.9 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 365.17 368.3 Okay so it's it's t a very basic remote then, it's only 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 367.94 374.93 It's a very basic minimal thing which you can which is which is also available in the market 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 374.93 380.19 actually that's what it that it i and would cost us to build it about eight Euros. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 369.74 369.95 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 370.87 371.08 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 371.08 371.36 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 370.44 370.87 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 377.93 378.18 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 378.83 379.07 Mm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 379.08 380.65 Seven, eight, ei eight Euros. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 380.43 388.96 Exce except for the for the special shape, the surfing board, it has a quite a a conventional layout of buttons uh. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 385.5 385.74 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 388.39 388.83 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 389.15 389.44 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 394.3 396.78 Sure. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 390.2 394.3 So this one model and uh yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 392.41 392.77 Can I see? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 394.05 394.72 Thanks. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 397.65 399.11 Okay I like the volume control, that's good. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 410.67 419.65 it's like uh it's like a brain machine interface and all this stuff we are thinking about in the future, it can come. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 419.65 425.73 So that uh then what we look t yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 399.55 410.67 Th this is a magic one but I know we don't want to talk about that, you know like uh i i i it is a very futuristic,
IS1000d H00 FIE081 414.89 415.2 Uh-huh. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 415.59 415.87 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 417.89 419.1 So it doesn't actually have buttons. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 424.55 425.04 Did you wanna see? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 427.09 428.83 Yeah no you can carry on, I just 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 426.46 427.09 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 427.48 428.94 This is a model, yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 430.15 431.24 look how it feels all. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 431.24 434.25 Yes it really feels like like like a mobile phone. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 434.34 434.57 Mm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 434.55 434.69 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 434.76 435.02 Yep. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 435.49 438.59 Just I'm I really want to talk to it. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 442.16 444.94 So but but continue with your uh mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 438.59 442.16 But. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 436.55 437.39 Yeah actually, yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 438.75 441.15 It won't talk back. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 444.04 454.29 Uh so well then the this is the a more a little uh smooth and it gives a lot of functionality,
IS1000d H03 MIO050 459.01 463.62 but don't worry they are ma they are doing the job of twelve keys actually here. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 454.29 459.01 uh in this way, so all we have uh th you see there are only six keys 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 462.99 463.24 Right. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 463.22 464.07 Mm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 494.79 501.2 and uh then uh you can uh you have a L. C. D. display,
IS1000d H03 MIO050 464.34 478.29 And so they have more space actually and uh it's easy to uh use this and uh you have um so this is a standard uh uh infrared eye,
IS1000d H03 MIO050 478.29 482.97 and then you have a power button, which l volume, what you have 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 482.97 494.79 and then other than that you have uh channel up and down and uh f slow pause or s slow lo yeah s pause or stop 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 501.2 511.61 here and uh y this is a functional thing which can change like it's a toggle switch which could change the function say, y you press it 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 465.99 466.17 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 482.61 482.95 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 490.71 491.41 Play, pause. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 500.64 501 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 511.12 513.61 From D. V. D. player to television or something. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 512.77 513.34 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 513.34 514.83 I really can change it, so 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 513.22 514.22 Exactly yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 514.22 517.05 To audio and to video on demand. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 514.15 514.35 Yes. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 515.82 516.04 Mm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 515.84 518.98 Instead of having many switches, y 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 517.59 517.87 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 517.84 521.35 Yes and and and then you get feedback via the L. C. D. yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 553.16 558.08 and which is can be useful for the locating as I was talking earlier okay. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 558.08 565.17 And uh well then we have a cover basically, basically you don't need much of the time this,
IS1000d H03 MIO050 521 531.86 The L. C. D. can display what is that on that, and uh well you can have a integrated microphone over here, or in the button th here 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 565.17 572.7 when you need you can use it, and this gives additional functionality that tomorrow you want you can add a tactile thing 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 545.55 553.16 And here is a small L. E. D. which is like blinking one, which tells you like uh are you running out of the battery 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 531.86 545.55 so which can uh basically you want to do a speech recognition and uh that channel a lot of information can be di displayed here directly on the um on your on your display. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 522.23 522.65 Yes. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 522.9 523.26 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 528.35 531.49 This is the orange button, the microphone. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 531.92 532.46 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 543.86 544.77 An yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 549.67 549.98 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 557.16 557.37 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 557.38 557.98 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 563.55 563.88 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 573.56 577.46 Crazy dis designer, okay. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 576.47 578.23 Design enter. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 573.91 576.47 to this cover you know. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 573.99 574.13 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 577.7 584.44 Yeah but but but but uh i in there uh when this is closed, will it also uh cover up the L. C. D. screen? 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 581.65 581.9 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 584.12 584.84 Yeah yeah yeah yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 585.2 586.86 It's basically to do that. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 584.82 585.2 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 586.39 586.57 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 586.59 590.49 But but the L. C. D. screen I mean is a very uh 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 592.02 596.47 well an eye-attracting feature which shouldn't be shouldn't be 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 611.85 614.7 Gives a protection because when it falls down or something 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 603.55 611.85 uh you want to uh and this gives a protection to the L. C. D. actually, giving a cover to that actually. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 595.11 603.55 Actually when you are watching the T. V., when you are watching anything or listening to them, you hardly care about what is getting displayed here, you know,
IS1000d H02 MIO016 596.98 597.91 Oh actually well. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 603.72 604.79 That th that's true. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 611.71 611.88 Mm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 621.51 623.07 And you have very good chances 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 620.52 621.51 Uh yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 615.88 620.52 it it is it is is is it gives a protec it's more robust that way. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 617.8 618.59 Yes, more robust. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 617.28 617.8 Yes. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 616.37 616.85 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 616.85 617.28 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 619.96 620.54 Yes okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 620.22 620.46 Mm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 624.04 628.14 You have to see yeah yeah the the components we put inside is very low weight. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 623.17 624.04 It's low weight. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 624.44 624.59 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 628.54 628.97 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 628.62 628.95 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 629.29 635.73 So the the cost is actually a bit more, it's uh it's it's sixteen Francs. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 633.78 634 It 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 636.37 637.03 Sixteen Euros. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 637.24 638.16 Sixteen Euros sorry. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 637.45 638.61 Okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 638.9 640.11 So it's well outside the budget then. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 640.66 642.58 Then it's out of budget. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 642.58 647.47 But the the main point we we talk about that with our uh manufacturer. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 657.45 658.98 And um 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 647.47 657.45 And they say basically that the S. R. system would be uh something like three Francs per item so three Euros sorry. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 642.69 643.11 But w 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 647.7 648.04 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 655.01 655.81 Three Euros. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 658.29 660.37 That's on top of the sixteen, or is it part of that? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 660.35 661.56 No no no, part of that, yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 661.62 662.16 Part of that. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 662.2 665.07 So that takes it down to thirteen Euros without the speech recognition. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 664.13 665.26 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 664.85 667.65 Mm 'kay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 667.65 668.15 Hmm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 666.11 667.33 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 667.99 668.13 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 670.2 679.31 Well uh if you we can have if you have new more ideas we can add new more uh some more keys if you want to you know 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 677.64 678.05 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 678.42 685.2 Well I think th th yeah we should stick with uh a number of keys because if we add too much then 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 682.76 682.95 Mm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 685.4 687.85 Yeah it it should not be cluttering up everything. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 686.04 687.27 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 686.08 686.82 it's too 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 687.59 688.68 What's this one on the side? 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 689.06 697.05 Ah that's for the it's kind of a L. E. D. for indicating your battery and as well as it's like a blinking one you know you can keep it aside. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 690.71 691.65 Locati. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 691.65 692.13 Location. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 692.98 693.41 Ah okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 696.88 697.68 Mm 'kay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 695.67 696.88 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 697.68 698.93 I like the shape of them, I do like the 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 696.17 696.43 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 699.92 700.19 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 700 701.28 the size and the the shape. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 700.1 700.7 Well well 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 703.35 712.77 Be before ta talking about the money and what's possible and what is not possible, maybe Anna you can uh give our uh give us your um 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 702.69 703.35 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 706.11 706.3 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 712.93 715.85 And maybe we run the evaluation on both of the products, both of these two. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 712.29 712.93 Okay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 716.53 722.3 Evalua evaluation and also the evaluation criteria, so what what is important to look at. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 716.18 716.53 Yes. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 720.79 721.41 Okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 727.34 731.49 We just wanna make sure that we've taken into account Yep. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 722.95 727.34 Basically this is what we've talked about already, um, from the marketing point of view. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 725.1 725.73 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 730.39 730.91 Well just 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 731.97 735.17 do it quickly if if we al already. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 749.12 752.25 so just average the score of those items, so 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 742.27 749.12 Um we just go through these and rate them as a group and then at the end we'll make an evaluation based on that,
IS1000d H00 FIE081 734.52 742.27 So it's just a shortlist of criteria on um the things that we've identified as being important to selling the product. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 736.59 736.9 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 753.24 757.08 These are the things we identified as being important. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 757.08 763.08 Um the three things were look and feel, innovation and ease of use 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 763.08 771.3 were the three important components um appealing to the correct demographic so using those things in the right way to appeal to our demographic. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 771.3 776.65 And then goin following the company motto, following the fashion trends and putting that into the product as well. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 763.03 763.29 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 778.23 785.25 So well do you wanna go through and put through those on the the two products now or do we wanna discuss them further and then evaluate them? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 786.34 791.1 Um, n no why not why not discuss uh discuss it now, 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 790.55 790.86 Okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 794.04 796.79 Not sure how this is gonna come out. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 792.18 794.04 So f just go through onto the whiteboard I guess. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 816.05 821.71 would you want to take the price down of the end product according to that or just have the high profit on it? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 813.01 816.05 So the first one was really very far below budget 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 821.71 824.41 'Cause if we're only going to make it for eight Euros then we have a 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 825.4 834.91 Mm, well my my personal view is uh w when when this one is eight Euros we must think how can we improve it. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 835.5 835.76 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 836.66 844.91 And then I mean w w w you must just see it we can still spend this four and a half Euro and 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 843.27 843.42 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 844.88 845.12 Yep. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 846.56 855.05 to r because th th th the the selling price is already prite fik uh uh quite fixed on twenty five Euros 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 855.17 855.57 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 855.97 856.24 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 856.29 864.95 so we just have to offer as much as as well value for the for the customer uh he can have for twenty five Euro. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 860.97 862.1 Functionality. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 870.36 872.24 Okay so look and feel, innovation 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 880.48 882.54 And now it easy to use. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 883.54 884.42 Easy to use. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 885.38 885.52 Mm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 891.2 893.63 target. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 894.05 894.35 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 901.4 902.75 And trends. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 912.31 913.47 Is that part of both of them or? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 907.5 912.31 Oh, you following the idea of using the um removable covers on these? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 917.91 929.74 and together with evaluating this uh we we might come with new ideas I mean adding things or uh removing uh of options because they are too expensive, but 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 916.04 917.91 So um,
IS1000d H01 MIO082 912.53 916.04 Um well w w we can still discuss that. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 915.44 915.84 Okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 923.11 923.39 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 929.34 929.58 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 931.25 931.71 um 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 933.6 939.09 I've received uh a framework which we can do this. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 939.09 942.43 I mean did you have this this Excel sheet? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 939.62 939.85 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 942.85 943.07 No. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 943.15 943.64 No. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 953.21 960.22 so we can uh see whether the the price is is within the twelve Euro uh fifty cents uh. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 943.48 953.21 No okay, this is these are the the the latest prices of our production uh uh production unit for several components 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 943.71 943.85 No. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 960.01 960.28 Okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 958.99 960.01 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 961.6 964.61 So maybe we can start with this, uh, calling this one. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 965.57 966.27 So it's the pink. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 964.87 965.57 Yep. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 964.16 964.87 Okay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 966.26 968.03 Th th this is the first design. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 969.2 970.34 And the other one's green. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 975.24 975.43 Yes. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 975.7 976.95 Okay, so look and feel? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 978.16 983.55 Where um one is I've broken the pen again. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 984.33 985.13 Uh there is another pen. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 993.68 994.49 One's the best. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 992.19 993.68 Sorry, one's true and seven's false. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 985.3 986.23 Get that one. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 986.23 992.19 Um w one's bad and seven's the best. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 984.75 985.3 S yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 995.06 995.54 Okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 995.56 1001.08 So on a scale of one to seven? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 996.11 996.31 'Kay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 996.77 997.75 Okay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 998.18 998.84 Look and feel. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 997.75 998.18 So. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1002.13 1005.33 Well you already feel that uh pretty much I think. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1013.83 1015.35 In i in my opinion 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1015.34 1015.9 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1016.44 1025.76 purely feel is is is very good, is very good in your hand, so I I I would consider two or or may maybe even one for feel. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1025.76 1028.76 But that's just half, we should also consider look, and then 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1017.53 1019.15 Mm-hmm, yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1021.04 1021.29 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1024.57 1024.81 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1028.24 1028.77 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1031.1 1031.94 i it looks 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1033.3 1035.2 quite conventional. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1035.58 1035.88 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1037.14 1037.72 Don't you agree? 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1037.79 1038.39 Mm yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1038.39 1044.33 On the scale u it's between functional and fancy basically we're looking at, so 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1040.51 1042.24 So maybe two. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1043.01 1045.58 Ma ma ma ma maybe say say five 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1042.24 1042.9 Hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1042.9 1043.01 Hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1046.83 1049.61 I It's my opinion, but I don't know what what 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1048.8 1057.71 Well I will give it maybe we have anyways the way we have designed it's like the surf as you say you know. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1057.71 1062.49 It though the look is fine but uh still I will give four in that case you know. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1054.81 1055.06 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1056.36 1056.54 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1062.21 1062.47 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1062.47 1063.13 Four maybe. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1063.1 1063.69 Four? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1063.69 1063.9 Okay. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1063.34 1064.54 Four yeah that 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1063.42 1064.08 Four, four. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1064.08 1065.71 Now we th th then we settle on four. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1065.13 1065.32 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1066.23 1066.54 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1068.61 1069.39 I will gi yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1073.78 1074.44 Uh. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1074.02 1074.13 'Kay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1074.13 1075.37 Can you maybe fix the other 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1075.7 1076.6 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1076.6 1079.59 If you press like this not like this then you 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1076.46 1076.67 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1081.77 1083.72 No that's the ink's dried. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1084.21 1086.19 No no the battery has fallen down, that's i 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1082.8 1084.21 C can you get the batteries? 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1082.29 1082.8 No. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1087.45 1091 The b that's the that that one? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1085.64 1087.45 Battery's low, isn't it the ink? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1091 1093.18 battery there. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1089.11 1089.34 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1095.29 1095.5 But 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1096.92 1099.19 No no it's not that, it's how to close a battery. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1100.83 1101.2 Okay. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1104.28 1104.95 Okay? 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1104.95 1106.01 Now it should be. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1105.75 1105.99 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1108.52 1109.93 No I think it's lost a battery. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1109.74 1112.01 Mm, try it, just try it. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1112.01 1114.38 Oh it will not ri mm, mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1111.13 1114.76 No it's It would still write but it wouldn't pick it up with the sensors. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1117.61 1119.65 Is there another battery there? 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1119.65 1120.13 Oh yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1121.72 1122.85 You got a second? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1124.3 1124.75 Try a 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1125.95 1126.9 Well we won't be able to tell. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1127.51 1129.9 Yes, it it has a mm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1134.83 1135.26 Perfect. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1135.83 1137.13 Is that working? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1142.46 1143.58 Okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1141.74 1142.46 Good. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1145.67 1149.7 it's just a normal whiteboard marker but it wouldn't be picked up on the the actual whiteboard. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1143.58 1145.67 Because we'll be able to see it still even if it wasn't working 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1140.6 1141.74 Did it come out? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1142.96 1143.1 Good. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1142.59 1142.96 Good. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1146.38 1146.81 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1149.88 1150.08 Yep. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1151.93 1153.88 So then then 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1151 1151.93 Okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1153.82 1155.44 And the other one? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1156.92 1157.31 Wow. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1159.1 1159.35 Ah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1159.33 1161.35 I think it's slightly better, um, 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1160.74 1161 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1163.08 1165.24 it's hard to tell from just the plasticine, but 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1163.78 1164.32 I I 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1165.58 1165.87 I 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1167.2 1171.06 When we want to include I I I'm doubting about this this component. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1171.3 1173.87 It it it it breaks in your 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1171.34 1171.55 Mm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1173.81 1174.76 'Kay maybe 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1174.23 1179.24 No actually this is this is not going to protrude actually, it it's n i it is jus 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1174.39 1174.61 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1178.04 1178.33 Okay. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1179.03 1181.24 It's not a button it's a led, it's a 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1180.45 1183.8 It's a led actually which which 'll be covering in a curve 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1183.74 1185.53 Ac actually yeah it should be embedded. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1184.52 1188.11 Mm, yes I see, mm okay. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1185.6 1190.36 It's will be embedded there so it won't be really you know protruding or something. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1186.02 1186.93 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1186.93 1187.07 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1186.66 1186.85 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1188.66 1191.38 Oh you can push push it again, you can push it. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1191.41 1192.01 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1192.01 1194 The other thing is, is the left hand one protruding? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1194 1198.41 'Cause if people are left handed they want to use the other hand, maybe it won't work so well. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1192.05 1192.3 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1194.58 1194.85 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1196.62 1198.96 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1198.96 1202.86 No you it it not protruding actually, it will go in better into that 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1202.18 1202.45 Okay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1203.08 1203.8 Well r r 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1204.53 1206.52 I'd say two or three for that one, personally. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1207.38 1208.05 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1209.06 1210.19 Probably more towards three than two. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1218.41 1220.08 But w w do you what do you think? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1214.53 1218.41 So so I would also say this is four. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1211.97 1214.53 I think the look is better but the feel is is is worse. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1217.58 1218.07 Okay. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1222.43 1226.45 My just that um the feel is that um 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1220.09 1222.43 Uh it's fine I think. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1227.51 1236.5 you right now you you don't see the feel because right uh for example if you press it quite inside now like this, now it's embedded one. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1235.52 1235.99 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1237.16 1237.75 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1236.69 1237.16 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1237.75 1238.1 Yes. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1238.42 1239.85 This is how embedded one will 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1239.52 1241.28 Yes, it basically is the same shape. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1241.38 1241.58 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1244.74 1247.01 You will be Except that in this c 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1241.58 1244.74 It's a bas basically the same thing actually. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1244.78 1245.25 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1244.04 1244.78 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1246.52 1248.39 And the L. C. D. makes it better. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1248.39 1248.84 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1248.36 1249.29 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1249.29 1252.77 And you might have a slight thing for to forward and 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1249.95 1250.3 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1249.41 1249.74 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1249.74 1249.95 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1249.92 1251.06 Mm, okay. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1252 1253.14 So I will say two. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1252.36 1254.2 Yeah it's d it's definitely more fancier than that one. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1253.97 1254.65 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1254.36 1255.38 Yes, okay. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1255.01 1256.38 I would say two, three. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1256.06 1256.4 Okay. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1256.36 1256.56 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1257.73 1258.75 So, consensus? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1259.82 1260.08 Two? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1258.75 1259.82 Two or three? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1259.3 1259.69 Two? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1259.69 1260.57 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1260.57 1261.26 Two's good yes. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1260.38 1260.52 Yep. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1263.38 1264.89 looking like 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1264.58 1265.39 Um, 'kay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1265.39 1266.83 Innovation. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1266.83 1268.4 The first one, not really muc 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1268.01 1273.34 Basically there is no innovation in the first one compared to what exists in the market, right? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1270.18 1270.43 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1273.63 1274.03 Do we 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1272.5 1273.63 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1273.14 1278.18 No but except for the design of the surf. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1278.18 1279.57 You should be rea 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1276.33 1277.75 The surf uh design. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1275.53 1276.33 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1276.35 1276.57 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1277.46 1277.71 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1279.76 1283.31 Are we including like a location kind of thing like trying to find it? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1277.99 1279.76 What What features are we actually including? 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1283.78 1285.63 Uh no I think it's more of the feel. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1284.66 1285.65 There's nothing like that? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1286.26 1289.58 But th is there any there's no actual innovation in that at all, it's just a straight-out remote control. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1288.47 1289.64 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1289.64 1289.92 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1291.46 1293.36 The only innova innovation is the shape. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1289.97 1290.92 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1290.92 1291.46 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1290.32 1290.76 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1291.33 1291.58 Okay. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1293.52 1295.49 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1293.75 1294.77 Say about that. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1294.85 1295.61 Okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1295.61 1299.24 So there's no this uh look and feel thing, though that's not a technological innovation. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1299.24 1302.33 So I'd be up for seven for innovation. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1294.94 1295.68 S so that 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1298.07 1298.58 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1298.58 1300.1 You're right. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1298.39 1298.65 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1301.05 1301.26 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1306.33 1307.31 And the 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1309.1 1316.24 And the second one is really uh state of the art, uh in terms of innovation. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1316.24 1325.77 And um with many more functionalities, and can open and close the the bottom part. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1312.44 1312.82 Yep. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1316.1 1316.15 Mm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1324.85 1326.72 Yeah, it gives it 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1326.57 1328.6 A and the L. C. D. screen is 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1325.94 1326.57 Yes. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1328.93 1329.15 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1329.6 1333.52 That's that's that's well it's quite innovative. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1332.69 1339.17 And all the scrolling uh buttons and menu and pro programmable device behind this. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1339.14 1339.34 Mm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1340.39 1343.27 Uh could put it at one or two I would say. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1343.72 1344.11 Okay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1343.77 1344.8 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1345.63 1345.89 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1344.8 1345 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1345.39 1345.63 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1345 1345.39 Mm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1344.42 1344.83 Personally. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1344.97 1345.36 Yep. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1348.83 1349.93 Got the L. C. D. screen. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1346.82 1348.83 So what is it, what are the innovations with this? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1349.24 1349.61 Uh 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1350.77 1352.4 Yeah automatic speech recognition. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1352.68 1353.49 Is that in this one though? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1353.49 1354.75 Is this 'cause this is the 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1355.6 1356.32 No, we ha 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1355.61 1360.09 Th th there were different options we discussed then, we discussed the one that was in budget and the one that was out of budget. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1361.34 1367.31 We just diske discuss it as you designed it and then we will will try to get it in the budget. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1368.69 1370.14 Eight Euros? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1365.41 1368.69 So the cost for these were what was the cost for the first one? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1364.12 1365.41 Okay. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1364.63 1364.93 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1366.09 1366.61 So 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1369.2 1369.41 Eight. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1369.56 1369.86 Eight. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1371.24 1374.19 Well actually we have yeah to check again yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1374.38 1375.36 Yeah, eight Euros yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1375.24 1377.29 And this one was sixteen Euros. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1375.99 1376.48 Yes. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1376.24 1376.72 Sixteen. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1376.91 1377.9 Sixteen Euros. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1382.8 1383.21 So. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1382.44 1382.8 Okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1389.28 1389.65 One? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1386.29 1389.28 Innovation for this one is two? 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1389.96 1391.95 It's a two, I would say two. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1391.75 1391.92 Two? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1391.78 1401.9 W W un to be one what would do we nee actually, yeah, I don't see okay, one would would be without buttons,. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1391.91 1392.24 Two. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1396.62 1397.73 Why it is one. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1401.45 1402.21 A man w w 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1402.19 1403.19 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1403.19 1407.15 Well the speech recognition is a very good innovation I believe it, so 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1402.63 1402.96 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1403.22 1403.48 Yes. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1403.36 1403.62 Bu 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1406.24 1407.33 So maybe we can put one. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1405.62 1406.24 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1407.09 1409.03 This this is it w with the speech recognition? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1409.44 1410.85 It's using speech recognition, yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1410.42 1411.03 Okay yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1410.84 1411.57 Well. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1411.57 1416.36 Gi given that that it works, then it's I think one. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1414.01 1414.47 Yep. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1412.76 1414.01 Give it a one? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1412.89 1413.91 Yeah, one, yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1417.15 1418.34 Okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1418.34 1419.22 Ease of use? 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1418.76 1420.89 Uh 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1420.88 1427.06 So the first one is really standard, so everybody i including our grandmothers can use it, right? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1423.41 1423.66 Mm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1424.71 1425.84 He is used to it act 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1425.97 1426.45 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1426.5 1426.65 Mm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1427.23 1428.77 They are used to it actually. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1428.18 1428.87 Yep. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1428.87 1431.1 So that's maybe a a two for ease of use. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1430.77 1431.01 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1431.49 1433.56 Here there may 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1433.8 1438.68 Um, the other one is quite easy, tho though. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1439.49 1445.21 Uh, though it has more functionality I think it shouldn't be for the user to learn it actually. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1445.21 1445.95 It shouldn't be diffi 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1443.09 1443.45 Okay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1444.96 1445.32 Hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1445.38 1447.67 So maybe a three or a four. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1447.65 1453.12 Uh yeah, actually in fact I think it will be Yeah 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1452.7 1458.09 One me um we hope maybe sometimes people get uh scared with the number of buttons. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1458.29 1458.51 Mm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1458.48 1459.88 Yeah but y 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1459.4 1461.95 And there is a like I would say three. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1461.95 1463.24 Or maybe four. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1463.08 1463.31 Okay. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1467.73 1468.83 Three is fine with me. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1464.52 1467.73 Well we have reduced the keys actually you see. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1464.66 1465.67 Consensus? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1465.67 1466.21 Three or four? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1466.88 1468.29 Three, I would. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1468.29 1468.56 Three. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1467.83 1473.88 Yeah, yeah because it's n uh it's not like a big one with uh one hundred buttons or so, 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1468.17 1468.58 Three? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1468.58 1468.82 Okay. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1472.94 1480.16 Yeah it's a actually the user has to put some effort to do use that actually, it's not so easy, like this one the normal. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1473.82 1473.99 No. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1476.96 1477.23 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1478.12 1478.62 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1480.27 1484.56 Yes but then when when he is used to it, i i it is quite easy. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1484.55 1485.55 Is quite easy yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1485.55 1487.85 Initially there there is a lot of effort, yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1485.34 1487.14 So so I think th three is good. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1487.14 1487.27 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1487.4 1487.63 Okay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1488.37 1488.63 Good. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1488.63 1489.32 What's the next? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1488.91 1492.33 So three's uh how well it goes to the target demographic. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1492.92 1493.13 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1493.05 1495.43 So we're d we're still thinking twenty to forty year olds? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1495.43 1495.86 That's 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1493.23 1493.5 So 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1494.82 1496.28 Twe twenty to forty, yes that's 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1496.25 1499.13 This one would be uh for grandmothers. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1498.66 1498.94 Mm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1503.78 1504.04 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1499.57 1503.78 Oh no, this would I I would I would give this model to the old people actually. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1500.82 1501.07 No. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1502.86 1503.8 Yeah, grandmothers, yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1504.62 1504.89 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1504.92 1508.82 So sh completely changed our demographic there, it's not part of the the funky young thing. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1505.16 1505.34 And 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1510.49 1514.33 I mean that's that's something which which has an appeal on this group I think, but 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1508.56 1510.49 Well exce except for the surfing shape. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1509.22 1510.12 Yeah that's true. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1511.17 1511.41 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1512.07 1512.42 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1514.28 1523.18 If it was the very bottom price range or it was like between this and another one we did the same thing then I can imagine it being applying to the the demographic yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1523.18 1525.45 That's it's still Ye 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1515.01 1515.23 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1523.53 1530.82 Mm w w w we after this we can can consider uh for instance, making this more attractive to to the demographic 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1530.5 1533.92 'Cause we have got room, we've got some budget there to add a few things to it, that's right. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1530.06 1530.5 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1532.45 1532.62 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1534.05 1536.12 But as it is now, I w would say 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1537.19 1538.96 mm, six, something. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1538.96 1539.2 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1539.47 1539.69 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1542.55 1544.32 Oh yeah,. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1543.81 1544.3 Do you agree? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1544.07 1544.94 And 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1545.22 1546.57 I Well I think 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1546.08 1549.99 Yeah because it's so important it's i it was written that it really so important,
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1549.99 1559.5 the um the the look and uh taking care of its it targets, the right range of people, right? 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1560.41 1565.17 Uh yeah but but if you sell it in the market it's going to be cheap, actually. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1559.47 1560.41 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1559.5 1559.71 Mm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1565.85 1566.46 But w 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1565.25 1565.85 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1566 1568.86 But it's going to be cheap whatever though, it was set with i we've got a set price. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1566.16 1566.44 So 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1567.72 1571.27 And people can still decide to use the cheaper one 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1572.05 1572.3 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1572.84 1573.8 instead of a 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1573.77 1578.28 But for us it's yeah we have a constraint that we need to sell at twenty five Euros. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1579.42 1579.74 Th t t 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1577.68 1579.42 Mm, yeah, indeed. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1578.99 1582.36 There's nothing that would make me spend an extra k few Euros on that one rather than another one. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1578.35 1578.99 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1581.31 1581.61 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1581.7 1585.13 Ju just think, twenty five Euros, I mean it's not going to be cheaper. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1584.1 1584.41 Okay. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1585.88 1586.22 Okay. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1586.22 1587.94 So in that case well it's fine then. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1587.94 1588.66 We can yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1586.35 1586.69 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1588.14 1588.47 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1588.75 1589.11 Okay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1588.47 1588.75 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1589.42 1591.92 Um and the demokraphi demographic of the second one? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1588.29 1589.42 Okay. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1592.54 1593.85 And the demographics of 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1593.38 1596.39 It's got the got the the toys in it, it's got the L. C. D. screen and 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1595.24 1600.91 Yeah tha tha tha tha tha that's I think it's better, because of the L. C. D. screen which is really an appeal on the on the on the 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1597.56 1597.71 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1601.88 1602.16 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1602.29 1603.8 on the and on the 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1603.75 1604.27 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1604.27 1614.49 And if you want to target yeah if we we wish to to sell four millions of this, I think for this audience we need absolutely the L. C. D. screen. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1614.65 1614.88 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1615.23 1615.59 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1615.59 1619.52 So, the L. C. D. screen uh attracts, yes. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1619.52 1619.95 Because it 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1618.88 1619.57 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1619.57 1623.63 I think especially if we're gonna n have an L. C. D. screen on a low range product then that's good. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1623.73 1623.95 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1624.11 1627.51 Mm, ma maybe that's something to consider, yes, so. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1626.1 1626.96 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1626.96 1628.13 Okay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1628.72 1630.29 Wh what what 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1631.04 1632.8 I'd probably go with three again for that one. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1632.92 1636.57 Yeah I think it's uh it has more market actually. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1634.24 1634.86 Or even 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1636.13 1637.03 Even one and two. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1637.2 1637.39 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1637.77 1639.39 Y yeah, you know two. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1637.96 1639.76 No s say t two. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1639.76 1639.97 Two? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1638.45 1638.96 Or two. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1639.2 1639.98 So, two, yeah? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1638.67 1639.2 Okay. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1640.1 1640.47 Two yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1639.94 1640.1 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1648 1653.61 Because then you you have it uh d you have lot of things which you can include for the people to 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1640.39 1641.45 Yeah two yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1641.45 1648 Because tomorrow this will be more appealing because you can add lot of sophistication on that. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1647.09 1647.31 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1651.07 1651.29 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1652.74 1653.56 Yep. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1653.56 1659.71 And especially I guess 'cause this has the speech recognition as well, and that makes it more appealing, it's more of a a new fun toy. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1663.4 1666.2 The field test will tell you how good. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1661.67 1663.4 We have to practically test it. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1663.7 1663.89 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1664.72 1664.91 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1665.75 1666 Okay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1666.26 1668.49 Okay, the final point, trends. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1669.12 1673.32 So the trends were the fruit and vegetables and the spongy feel. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1667.64 1669.12 And following the trends. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1667.96 1668.83 The trends. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1674.17 1675.04 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1673.82 1674.17 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1674.88 1677.53 So as it is, not really doing either of them. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1678.65 1679.02 I think 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1679.41 1680.27 Spongy, 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1681.68 1684.36 uh, that means that it goes in in the water. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1684.87 1685.12 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1685.06 1687.48 Well, the spongy could be part of the the feel of the buttons as well 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1687.48 1700.45 I know some have you tried the mobile phones that have got the kinda spongy buttons and not not exactly spongy but I'm thinking one of the Nokias that's got like you ca it hasn't got individual buttons it's got just a one bit on it and so you can that feels kinda spongy. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1692.47 1693.15 Uh okay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1696.77 1697.1 Mm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1697.55 1698.44 Yeah I know. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1703.38 1704.37 Spongy buttons. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1701.16 1703.38 But this one includes this feature, right? 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1704.71 1705.12 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1705.12 1708.11 We we we we we yeah, it's the way they are going to be, actually. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1705.19 1705.98 So it's sort of, yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1708.26 1708.66 Okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1707.26 1708.26 Mm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1707.61 1708.37 So 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1708.8 1709.16 Mm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1709.18 1714.77 Uh the maybe in the colour we can make it uh fruit and and veggie. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1717.11 1717.76 Or is it just one 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1715.27 1717.11 But that's if you're using the covers. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1716.4 1718.38 And the then we can al yes. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1718.38 1723.58 We can we can consider uh uh is it possible do you think, to to make a cover 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1716.72 1717.02 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1725.71 1726.03 I mean 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1724.55 1725.71 for s such a phone? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1726.84 1729.25 Well they make it for mobiles, it can't be that much more complicated. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1730.35 1731.89 In that uh w in the mod 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1728.52 1730.35 But why do you want to cover that actually? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1731.62 1734.01 Well just with the with the flexible plastic uh 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1735.06 1737.46 So you got the option of having different colours or different textures. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1737.24 1738.12 This is possible. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1736.62 1737.24 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1738.47 1739.53 I th I th I think 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1738.47 1740.99 Uh uh y are you sure? 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1744.15 1747.61 Yeah I think yeah it should be possible like what we do with the mobile phone, yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1746.71 1750.48 O o or just two things which can be put on each other. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1750.91 1751.59 Mm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1751.13 1753.24 Yeah exactly like Nokia phones. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1752.85 1753.04 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1753.47 1756.03 Yes, exactly like it. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1756.03 1757.11 Uh, so 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1754.48 1754.83 Yep. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1768.4 1773.38 to to these covers and s now try to invest in the in in the features. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1758.69 1768.4 Maybe we can but we have to decide it, we can put the the the fancy f look of vegetables for instance 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1768.19 1768.44 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1779.62 1783.65 it lets people have the latest fashion even next year when fruit and vegetables might be out 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1773.43 1779.62 I think the if we do the cover that's really going with the company's philosophy of having the fashion in in electronics 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1783.65 1786.1 you'll still be able to put a new cover on it and then it'll still be in fashion. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1779.69 1779.97 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1784.72 1785.55 Mm mm mm mm mm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1785.38 1785.49 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1793.3 1798.59 and sometimes people don't like too much flashy colours like this one presented here. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1805.27 1812.13 very standard one, that meets the the requirements of th such people that want really standard uh things. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1798.59 1805.27 So maybe we could do like in the range the set of what we propose a black one,
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1786.63 1793.3 'Cause sometimes look at this computer, th this laptop, it's all black, and uh it's quite conventional 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1790.54 1790.79 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1796.32 1796.55 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1798 1798.22 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1802.77 1803.01 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1804.7 1804.89 Yep. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1805.37 1805.57 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1805.02 1805.37 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1806.52 1806.7 Yep. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1811.52 1811.75 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1812.38 1812.61 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1812.61 1812.73 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1813.26 1816.14 And then you have the option of having the different colours, different covers. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1815.53 1821.52 So so so that that would make the trends equal, so we we we really have don't have, 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1815.16 1815.53 Yes. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1815.73 1815.93 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1821.19 1822.77 There's n yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1822.77 1825.74 'Cause that's the that's the feature that could be included in either of them. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1820.82 1821.19 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1825.74 1827.77 Although it is more with the spongy buttons on the um 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1822.8 1823.1 I mean 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1825.36 1825.52 Mm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1828.65 1833.37 Yeah, so a a point better for the for the number two. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1828.69 1829.44 Yes, indeed. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1828.92 1829.32 on the other one. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1833.55 1834.74 Two and three, or one and two? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1831.4 1831.74 Okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1831.74 1833.55 So. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1835.57 1835.96 Yes. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1837.2 1839.21 Yeah, it's one. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1838.72 1839.77 One and two. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1837.94 1838.72 Say, say one and two. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1839.01 1839.93 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1840.55 1840.81 Okay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1843.62 1846.54 So d this one has spongy but buttons? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1842.16 1843.62 So le le let's see. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1844.81 1845.12 Okay. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1847.33 1848.08 Yeah, it says a 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1847.59 1848.89 Yeah, the blue one uh spongy. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1849.18 1851.35 Mm, I see, yes okay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1851.35 1851.54 Good. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1850.89 1852.42 Okay so the average of that is 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1853.89 1859.28 three six nine divided by five, so five 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1858.23 1859.56 Just add it. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1859.56 1860.79 You know. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1860.79 1863.13 Three, six, seven. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1859.01 1859.34 Nine. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1860.35 1862.48 One point six, one point 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1860.45 1860.72 mm 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1861.87 1863.68 nine by five, one point s eight? 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1863.92 1864.86 One point eight yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1868.67 1874.47 This one, eleven thirteen nineteen twenty one, divided by five is four point two yep. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1872.68 1873.32 Four point 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1874.4 1875.27 Uh four point two. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1876.19 1876.79 Very good. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1877.38 1878.24 Okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1878.24 1881.8 But we still got a very different price for those two so they're not really comparable yet anyway. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1880.39 1880.74 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1881.87 1884.11 We we must try to get them closer. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1882.41 1883.82 Yeah, it's right, yeah that's right. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1883.18 1883.99 Yep. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1885.38 1888.63 Both in i i or we just have to choose. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1890.66 1899.05 when we choose for this one we have to we have to make it more attractive and w when we to d for this one we have to make it more cheap. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1890.15 1890.66 Because 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1888.63 1890.15 And adapt. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1885.51 1885.98 Wow. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1890.4 1890.6 Yep. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1895.23 1895.44 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1898.9 1902.31 Well it's easier to just make that one cheaper by just taking the speech recognition out. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1902.31 1904.66 That'll basically take us down to the budget. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1903.33 1903.92 Yes, well 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1904.91 1908.96 But I'm now did y did you work with the same prices that I have here? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1920.82 1928.97 Uh unfortunately we didn't see this chip, uh Matthew, so maybe we have to recap with this one. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1911.01 1920.82 So I I give yeah I just give a call with the manufacturer uh and uh I explained them and they told me this could be possible for sixteen Fr Euros. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1918.21 1918.62 Mm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1924.63 1924.94 Yep. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1924.15 1924.63 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1926.01 1926.79 Mm, tha 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1930.15 1932.66 Maybe we ought to reconsider everything with this, yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1933.19 1935.02 Well yes, well uh re reconsider it. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1935.02 1945.15 So let's let's try to to model this this phone in this sheet, uh what kind of energy source uh I I we didn't speak about that. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1945.15 1946.72 It's a it's a normal battery, or 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1938.91 1939.53 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1948 1958.13 Yeah, it migh It it'll need uh more than a conventional one, it won't be uh just maybe you might use a A. A. battery actually. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1959.41 1960.93 What do you say, Mael? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1961.27 1963.28 For this one it's a normal battery. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1962.95 1963.37 Yes. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1963.37 1965.45 Just so one battery. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1965.45 1965.72 'Kay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1966.81 1968.22 Electronics. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1968.22 1971.92 given speech recognition I think w you should go for the less fancy chip. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1972.71 1972.98 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1973.7 1975.61 Uh sample speaker, yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1974.66 1976.99 Yeah, yes, or sample sensor, yes. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1977.22 1978.43 Sample, yeah, this one. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1980.6 1981.04 Case? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1978.61 1979.37 Yes, this one. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1979.37 1980.6 Okay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1982.44 1983.55 Um, 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1983.87 1985.04 So 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1986.36 1987.87 Double curved yeah right. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1987.87 1988.28 It's uh 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1985.62 1986.36 Curved. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1987.64 1989.03 I see I 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1990.15 1990.77 Double curve. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1990.29 1990.5 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1992.21 1994.45 Yeah, it's gonna be more than just the biggest case, definitely. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1994.79 1996.06 So which one are we talking to? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1994.9 1995.21 Mm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1996.69 1997.9 Are you talking about this or that? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 1997.68 1997.96 Well 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 1998.72 1999.29 Either of them. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 1998.84 2003.08 Oh yes, we are talking about, but they have the same shape, but, actually bu 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 1999.89 2000.2 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2001.78 2002.77 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2002.77 2004.53 They're both going to be not basic cases. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2002.26 2002.57 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2005.14 2007.68 So th th this would be double curves? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2007.8 2008.01 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2008.45 2008.74 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2009.67 2009.97 'Kay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2012.16 2014.56 Uh, plastic would be the material. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2013.55 2014.66 The basic one, yep. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2013.12 2013.55 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2015.73 2016.73 Is it zero Franc? 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2017.51 2020.03 A special colour? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2020.7 2023.12 Uh special colour, now we leave it to the covers. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2024.69 2025.36 Uh 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2025.33 2028.58 So now we're either going button or L. C. D. s, L. C. D. display. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2026.45 2026.74 Push. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2029.35 2029.9 Mm, yes, but 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2032.57 2033.76 Just say L. C. D. . 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2031.9 2032.57 It's okay. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2030.07 2031.9 L. C. D. is. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2034.79 2037.32 Is that price per unit, or for the whole 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2038.18 2041.66 Yeah th now this is per per unit, this number of components. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2038.29 2038.6 Ah good. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2038.46 2038.69 thing? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2040.34 2042.56 So it would need twelve buttons. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2041.84 2044.44 Yeah, we might need a scroll wheel, right, for that? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2044.55 2046.12 No but for this one it's twelve Euro. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2045.88 2046.98 No, for that one also. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2047.97 2048.46 There are twelve? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2048.6 2052.59 So, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, t 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2049.19 2050.07 Yeah that's a scroll. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2057.9 2058.71 Twelve I believe. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2057.41 2057.9 Yes. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2060.61 2062.09 So this comes to eighteen. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2062.87 2065.08 And that's without any special button supplements. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2062.44 2062.87 Mm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2066.19 2068.19 Yeah, one scroll wheel you might need. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2068.88 2070.11 So 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2070.1 2073.48 So we'd have a special colour, special form and special material on all of them. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2073.48 2074.57 They're not just standard buttons. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2073.83 2075.12 Uh 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2076.42 2079.6 So I think but th do you agree th that thi 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2078.42 2081.71 Wait a minute, it's not it's not double curved, it's single curved, right? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2081.71 2084.29 Because it's there is no like. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2085.69 2086.35 Yes I 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2085.75 2090.27 But I thought it would be curved on two it's like it's curved on the sides and curved on the top and bottom as well, that's what I thought. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2089.25 2090.96 Yes I'm I'm no I'm no I'm not sh 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2091.73 2092.08 sure. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2093.38 2100.44 Well it's you know this curve like this so, it's w there is only 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2094.46 2096.77 Yes I kno undes I understand what you mean, yes. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2107.38 2108.96 So I think we can put um 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2101.82 2107.38 is is is there is nothing like y you know in the other stuff there are yeah concave. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2105.06 2106.86 You talking about concave curves? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2105.51 2105.9 Uh-huh. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2107.52 2107.69 Both. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2109.32 2110.61 You think a single curved? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2109.91 2111.91 the single curved in the sixteen. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2116.52 2120.67 And what are just The bt buttons, we have twelve buttons, are you sure? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2120.67 2122.27 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2113.13 2116.52 That makes uh seventeen. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2121.42 2121.63 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2121.77 2122.69 Yes. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2123.1 2123.54 Uh 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2123.12 2126.17 We have more, we've got those the scroll wheel on the side and yeah 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2124.34 2126.42 So I had a bad uh 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2126.69 2127.71 Bad estimate, right? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2127.27 2135.41 W d we have we haven't talk about a, but that's no a is very exp inexpensive I believe but it is not in the list. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2127.57 2128.36 The sc 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2127.9 2128.67 bad estimation. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2133.71 2133.92 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2136.91 2140.57 We've got a scroll wheel for the volume don't we, or is it some other thing that's not on there. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2140.48 2149.37 W ho h is this a scroll wheel or is this a a a sort of button which can be pressed on two sides uh so for higher and lower? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2143.58 2143.92 No no no. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2149.59 2152.11 'Kay we've only got five minutes left guys so we need to wrap it up pretty fast. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2153.41 2154.64 Yes, a kind of scroll wheel. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2162.04 2163.29 So this is even more than the um 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2164.1 2165.75 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2165.75 2166.1 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2164.37 2165.84 than the cost you gave, the sixteen Euros. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2170.88 2178.8 Okay, so based on that, yeah, um where is the es okay sample speaker 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2179.12 2181.59 That is the sample sensor and sample speaker. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2182.77 2184.17 So um 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2184.67 2186.79 But still, yeah it 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2186.25 2188.36 We just need that actually. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2189.5 2189.93 We're 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2191.29 2191.94 We need one. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2198.19 2198.38 We 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2199.53 2206.75 We could go for the for the for the for the for a simple chip, but then we can't have the the speech recognition, yes? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2206.75 2207.08 Yes? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2208.1 2209.98 No we cannot, yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2209.98 2210.44 So 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2209.64 2214.21 So so w when we w a this would this would be cutting the speech recognition. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2210.02 2210.37 S 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2211.55 2213.02 But the um 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2214.81 2224.07 Yeah but if you have the near the L. C. D. you can um choose select between um you know like uni universal between audio,
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2224.07 2228.11 T. V. and V. C. R., and this needs a needs a advanced chip. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2228.96 2229.55 Transti 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2229.61 2230.82 Right, Matthew? 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2230.23 2232.2 Oh I i it 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2231.69 2232.51 Or regular chip? 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2233.34 2237.89 I think it's going to be y y yeah it's th with the regular chip, yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2234.04 2237.5 I think yeah regular, today we you can do that with regular chip. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2236.6 2241 Say say it's regular, regular chip, and we still on fifteen, so 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2239.58 2240 Okay. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2238.52 2239.58 Okay. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2238.17 2238.52 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2240.04 2240.29 Yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2241.34 2243.03 So. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2243.03 2245.79 And what about the number of buttons buttons uh 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2245.69 2246.97 Yes but that maybe 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2247.32 2249.9 my Matthew? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2248.13 2249.41 Well we can just say 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2250.52 2251.23 Uh 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2254.46 2254.75 one. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2255.17 2259.58 When you look at this w, this u uh item, 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2260.05 2260.56 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2262.36 2270 Ca l we are just when we just want to uh to cut the number of buttons we have to make seven to to fit in in twelve twelve fifty. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2263.42 2264.02 But 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2271.04 2271.9 So is it possible? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2272.92 2278.69 But that's seven basic buttons right, seven buttons without any adds-on, without special colours or form or material. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2278.91 2283.08 That'll be then we have uh have to ask the user to press it several times. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2279.13 2279.34 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2282.66 2288.4 You cannot make a phone to your boss saying twelve fifty is really 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2288.87 2290.88 No no, he he he I I 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2289.6 2290.44 really low, no? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2289.78 2290 Well 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2291.54 2296.41 So the L. C. D. display is is three Francs, sorry three Euros, by itself. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2295.62 2295.85 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2299.54 2303.46 We we really want a L. C. D. other otherwise we w wouldn not get the market. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2296.48 2299.54 And uh we don't want to to change that right? 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2299.71 2300.23 Uh 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2301.17 2301.42 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2303.73 2309.56 Otherwise y you ha you have a s ve very normal uh thing like this. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2304.56 2305.36 It's evident. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2309.76 2310.01 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2310.02 2310.26 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2312.21 2317.28 So twelve Euro fifty, we got two off of the battery, we can't do anything about that,
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2317.28 2321.73 so ten fifty, if we want an L. C. D. dispra display, that's seven fifty 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2312.96 2314.09 And I dunno 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2323.03 2327.34 um, so we've got seven fifty to use for the case and for the buttons. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2329.31 2329.44 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2330.04 2330.51 And the chip. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2330.51 2332.69 Sorry the chip's up there already. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2333.76 2335.34 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2335.62 2338.53 So we're gonna have to scale this down to get within budget, there's no doubt about that. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2341.47 2341.94 A 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2342.61 2350.83 So wha what what each of us think about the because it's measure point the L. C. D., um 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2352.19 2353.39 Do you think it's important? 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2353.54 2356.46 Or we could even replace them by buttons actually. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2355.96 2362.14 Because sometimes whe when you watch the T. V. in fact, you have a big display and maybe you don't need one more in your hands? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2362.14 2364.12 I dunno, I'm just asking. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2371.31 2377.88 or and you'll have L. C. D. display which is that is going to bring the cost by two two Euros at least. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2367.48 2371.31 for example if you add two more functionalities then better you add two more buttons 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2362.87 2367.48 A actually it depends, it depends what kind of functionalities you want to add into it 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2363.19 2363.69 Mm 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2363.41 2363.55 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2367.23 2367.46 Yep. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2372.01 2372.17 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2373.65 2373.9 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2376.27 2381.31 I think, unless we can really drive these prices down we need to get rid of the L. C. D. display. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2381.73 2386.15 Okay so we can get rid of it and then add a couple of buttons. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2382.58 2383.38 Yeah, it's true yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2384.35 2386.38 But uh, do we want that? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2388.34 2389.9 On the market point of view, yeah. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2389.9 2394.51 What do you think uh, L. C. D. is a major feature, or? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2393.79 2395.35 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2395.35 2395.48 I 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2397.94 2401.17 and it's looking like we can't afford the L. C. D. display, there's no way we can get it in there. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2395.46 2397.94 For the price, it's gonna be what we can afford,
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2402.96 2408.16 I think we have to come to a decision now, just I I think we we what we just do i is vote 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2403.08 2404.89 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2409.55 2412.17 about the uh the L. C. D. uh display so 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2410.79 2411.01 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2412.58 2415.56 You assume, you want a democratic voyt vote, right? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2415.56 2415.86 Okay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2417.53 2419.16 One man one vote. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2415.15 2416.17 Yes. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2416.17 2416.4 Yes. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2416.4 2417.53 Yes. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2419.16 2423.81 S so who thinks the the L. C. D. disply display should be i should be in it? 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2417.44 2417.66 Okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2425.53 2427.61 I th I'd like t it to be in but I can't see it happening. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2427.61 2428.36 I can't see it fitting in. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2428.38 2430.94 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2427.69 2428.38 Mm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2428.98 2429.85 I think but 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2429.77 2431.63 We need to be. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2430.36 2433.48 Bu y you're a power voter uh veto anyway as Project Manager. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2432.94 2434.25 Mm-hmm, I know, but 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2433.98 2435.03 Yeah. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2435.08 2439.94 Yeah but the only thing is that what is the multiple functionalities you want to include with that. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2440.84 2443.1 well we have to make a decision now, that's it. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2442.71 2442.92 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2442.87 2443.56 Yes. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2452.16 2455.08 Ca can I have can the functions be implement in an 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2451.3 2452.16 Is that acceptable? 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2443.56 2451.3 So uh uh having an L. C. D. s display is just uh uh have very very limited amount of buttons. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2456.48 2456.75 Yes. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2457.67 2459.36 You've you you agree. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2460.07 2461.66 W I I I just 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2460.92 2463.34 So hav hav having seven buttons, instead of twelve. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2463.69 2464.21 Yeah. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2464.69 2469.27 So that wou would be cutting cutting suh say about these buttons. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2468.92 2481.89 Because one yeah th show me that uh actually we could in fact we move these three buttons and have three uh possibilities for each of the three here. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2481.89 2484.14 Here one, at the middle, and at the 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2481.29 2481.46 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2485.58 2487.91 I think then we we're really losing ease of use. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2485.19 2485.58 Mm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2485.46 2485.73 bottom. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2488.19 2488.88 Okay,. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2488.66 2491.11 That will create another problem. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2491.11 2492.37 For the people to use it. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2493.51 2494.67 It's not going to be easy. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2495.17 2495.44 Okay. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2495.27 2495.67 Okay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2495.48 2496.05 Mm. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2496.05 2500.96 So um I I think we should we should cut the L. C. D. screen. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2500.96 2502.33 That that's that's my opinion. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2495.85 2496.12 Doing that. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2502.37 2506.06 No, it's okay, you uh cut the L. C. D. screen and introduce two more buttons. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2503.62 2503.95 Just 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2508.15 2510.15 So L. C. D. 's out, is speech rec out now? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2507.23 2508.15 Okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2510.15 2510.36 We've 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2511.01 2512.83 The speech recognition is out. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2512.73 2512.89 Yep. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2513.64 2515.26 Uh where, L. C. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2514.92 2516 Because of the budget, yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2516.08 2516.21 Yep. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2516.77 2520.21 Okay w we now we can just uh 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2519.86 2523.9 So are we basically back to the original one now, back to the first version? 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2523.9 2527.25 Which turns out to be on budget exactly, pretty much. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2527.46 2527.9 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2530.21 2532.5 So just look at forget that one and look at that one now. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2528.46 2530.21 With these new costings. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2529.69 2530.03 Yes. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2533.55 2538.23 I th I th I think w we just go for this one and that that now twelve Euros is the 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2532.66 2533.19 Yes. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2533.19 2533.55 Yes. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2532.82 2533.01 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2536.01 2536.21 Mm. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2539.21 2539.39 Yep. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2539.65 2541.54 is is the price, okay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2541.54 2545.98 My m my supervisor will be glad that it's fifty cents cheaper than he expected. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2541.89 2542.35 Well that's that's 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2541.5 2541.89 Okay. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2544.44 2544.65 Yep. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2545.01 2553.09 Actually yeah, we we we will not need the really uh expert designers um because the amount, yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2545.91 2546.19 So. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2550.07 2550.37 Mm. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2550.58 2550.8 Yeah. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2553.67 2561.94 So w we can go back and l talk to the suppliers maybe and see if we can drive the prices down to add a few more things in but that's all we can do with the restrictions we have at the moment. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2553.14 2553.67 Yep. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2553.65 2554.01 Okay. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2564.94 2566.01 Thank you. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2566.01 2568.02 That was it. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2563.48 2564.94 Then we the same. 
IS1000d H01 MIO082 2562.46 2563.48 Okay, good. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2565.3 2566.9 Okay. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2566.9 2567.36 That's it. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2566.62 2566.8 Mm-hmm. 
IS1000d H02 MIO016 2567.18 2569.42 Thanks. 
IS1000d H03 MIO050 2568.55 2568.96 Cool. 
IS1000d H00 FIE081 2571.19 2571.51 Okay. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 14.48 17.37 How do you wear this thing? 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 21.01 22.01 Hmm. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 22.01 22.42 Mm mm mm. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 31.94 33.06 Not too many cables and stuff. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 63.09 66.98 Original. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 84.52 91.29 So we are here for the kickoff meeting of uh the process of designing a new remote control. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 81.96 84.52 Okay so welcome everyone. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 79.52 81.96 Okay? 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 78.73 79.52 Is recorded? 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 100.72 109.72 then uh we will uh see what will be uh our product and what will be the different step we will have to design it. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 93.04 100.72 So I will first start with a warm welcome opening stuff 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 111.2 125.24 And uh then we will uh discuss if we have few ideas and we will uh end uh by uh dispatching the different task you will be you will have to fulfil to complete this process. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 126.97 127.74 So 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 128.26 128.91 Just one thing. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 132.36 136.51 so gotta have another meeting uh soon, so maybe you could hurry up a bit 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 127.83 128.26 Uh. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 128.91 132.36 Uh, you said twenty-five minutes, but I have something else to do uh,
IS1001a H00 MIO043 137.04 138.76 sorry? 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 138.51 139.11 It's true. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 139.11 141.98 I have another meeting so if you could uh 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 142.4 143.53 You have another meeting soon? 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 143.56 143.88 Yeah. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 144.61 145.55 So you have to be quick. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 145.71 147.6 Yeah, for the lawnmower project. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 149.79 158.83 So the the goal is to have a remote control so to have an advantage over our competitors we have to be original 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 158.83 163.54 we have to be trendy and we have to also try to be user-friendly. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 148.29 149.79 Okay. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 149.03 149.31 Okay. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 171.72 174.38 First it will be the functional design. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 166.1 171.72 So uh the design step will be divided in three uh main points. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 175.76 180.1 Third is the conceptual design and then is the desired design. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 180.1 189.29 So the functional design is to identify the main user needs, the technical function the remote control should fulfil. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 190.42 197.28 And then we will move to f conceptual design where we'll specify the different component involved 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 197.28 205.58 what kind of user interf interface we want and what are the different uh trend in user interface and stuff like that. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 205.97 217.09 And then the desired devi design will consist in uh specifically implementing and detailing the choice we've uh made in the second point. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 220.8 234.13 So I will now ask you which is very important for the design of a new remote control for to uh each of us to to draw uh your favourite animal on the white board. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 234.38 235.69 What an original idea. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 238.12 242.28 Do you have any idea of which animal you want to show us? 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 242.6 243.3 Orangutan. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 244.08 248.99 Okay that's good. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 248.99 250.8 n n 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 248.33 249.12 No no n 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 251.97 253.97 But I don't have to say anything. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 250.06 251.97 Can I give you the no? 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 251.81 252.52 You should 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 255.93 258.97 When I'm drawing the orangutan. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 258.76 266.99 If you want to react uh about this wonderful drawing uh I'll let you uh comment. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 270.06 271.89 It's an abstract drawing of an orangutan. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 272.05 273.73 Okay it's an abstract drawing. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 273.7 274.12 Yes. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 277.41 280.99 I think it's nice and original. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 279.42 283.77 You should write y the name I think. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 284.01 287.88 Usually orangutans have red hair so this is a very important but I don't have red pen, so 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 282.27 284.01 I don't have a red colour. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 288.12 288.49 Okay. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 288.71 289.31 Yes. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 289.68 293.22 You want to draw something Christine? 
IS1001a H03 FIO074 300.26 306.01 Okay uh sorry. 
IS1001a H03 FIO074 306.01 310.68 You have to imagine a little bit um. 
IS1001a H03 FIO074 312.66 314.48 This 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 318.16 324.01 Of course your animal is recorded so it's not lost. 
IS1001a H03 FIO074 320.38 329.2 Sorry too uh. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 322.27 322.6 Yes. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 322.6 323.05 I know. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 343.85 344.81 Is this uh 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 343.95 346.18 Wha what is this strange beast? 
IS1001a H03 FIO074 344.59 349.18 Is it beautiful? 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 348.86 349.8 Is it a monster? 
IS1001a H03 FIO074 353.56 354.68 Isn't it? 
IS1001a H03 FIO074 351 351.9 Do you know? 
IS1001a H03 FIO074 351.9 353.56 It's a cat. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 352.77 353.33 It's a cat? 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 354.34 355.79 I thought these things did not exist. 
IS1001a H03 FIO074 355.84 358.83 Yes yes is it like that. 
IS1001a H03 FIO074 362.92 365.95 It's my cat. 
IS1001a H03 FIO074 361.93 362.92 Okay. 
IS1001a H03 FIO074 358.83 361.93 Is it better? 
IS1001a H03 FIO074 367.49 368.95 The name is Caramel. 
IS1001a H03 FIO074 365.95 367.49 Yeah. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 356.61 360.83 Me Ah yeah. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 360.83 361.22 Yeah. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 359.3 361.37 Ah yeah 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 360.31 362.54 Ah okay it's pretty. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 363.26 367.16 Okay it's your cat. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 365.81 366.53 Does have a name? 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 369.43 370.04 Caramel. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 370.04 370.38 Ah-ha. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 372.34 377.24 And you I think I'm too short for the cables. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 369.91 372.34 Caramel. 
IS1001a H03 FIO074 370.18 370.9 Yeah. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 370.93 372.21 Okay. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 372.21 375.21 Olivier, do you want to 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 375.67 381.45 Okay I go, but next time you'll do something I'm sure. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 383.55 384.95 Next time I concentrate. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 391.46 393.86 So what could I draw? 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 383.9 390.54 I'm a bit short on cable. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 393.86 397.43 Maybe I can draw like 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 390.54 391.46 Okay. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 400.89 402.68 a very simplified cow. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 402.68 406.14 I don't know if it looks like a cow 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 406.27 407.53 He looks like a bong. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 408.37 410.1 Like a what? 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 409.9 411.32 Sorry. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 409.49 409.9 Okay. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 411.32 411.58 No. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 412.5 413.34 Quite squarey. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 414.52 415.07 Scary? 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 415.18 423.47 I dunno it it looks more like a donkey in fact I would say. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 423.47 428.93 Okay so I hope that it helps you uh in the process of designing a remote control. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 415.57 417.55 He also. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 422.59 424.8 I I think we will be finished this uh 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 422.78 423.51 Mm. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 427.89 431.54 Is it for uh for putting a for logos, no. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 431.8 434.3 Okay. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 432.99 433.87 That's 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 436.68 437.77 So 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 435.65 436.68 Let's move on. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 444.1 460.72 That is to say to to have a production cost lower than twelve point five Euros and have a selling price of twice that price t in order to target a profe profit of uh fifty uh million Euros. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 438.86 444.1 Here the uh financial objective of our project. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 460.98 463.01 I is there a matter for a new remote control? 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 463.98 471.81 Yeah if it's trendy, original I d fulfil the user needs. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 470.6 474.99 Is it uh a single device remote control or is it a multi-device remote control? 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 476.74 480.71 On yeah you you can suggest points like this. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 480.71 488.07 So what what so we have to decide for example if it can control one device or multiple. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 475.01 476.74 We have to discuss that point. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 476.24 477.66 Ah this is not defined at all? 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 480.4 481.44 Ah, okay. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 495.18 498.22 Maybe I can have the your opinion from the marketing side? 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 491.33 495.18 So what's what are your ideas about that? 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 496.64 498.23 Well uh do we sell other stuff? 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 499.15 504.06 Uh if if we bundle the remote control with something uh to sell then it could be a single device 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 504.06 508.09 otherwise it could be programmable one otherwise who would buy a remote control from us. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 509.22 515.01 Okay, so if it selled uh by its own i it it would rather be for multiple device. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 515.48 515.79 Yeah. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 516.48 517.45 Do you agree? 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 518.07 518.42 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 518.9 519.5 Yeah. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 519.5 524.38 So maybe it should be for multiple devices. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 526.85 538.87 And uh do you have any ideas um of uh design ideas or any uh uh technical requirement we we should uh fulfil? 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 543.92 544.38 I think 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 540.4 543.92 I think we shouldn't have too many b for my part. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 543.03 546.82 No, I couldn I cannot fi think of any requirements right now. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 547.67 550.41 If we don't have so many buttons could be nice. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 549.27 551.41 Few buttons. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 552.63 558.39 And do you have it also to be to be lighted in order to be used in the dark? 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 551.41 552.63 Okay. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 558.39 559.29 Might be a good idea. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 560.28 560.94 Yeah. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 565.94 575.66 And do you have any um any uh idea of the trend the trend in domain, what it shouldn't it should look like, or things like that? 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 565.17 565.94 Okay. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 577.74 583.13 Something which is not squarey maybe uh, not a box. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 578.37 578.58 Mm. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 582.15 584.7 With rou okay. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 584.7 585.92 Like for okay. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 585.59 587.41 Something like that, least fits in your hand. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 587.91 588.14 Yeah. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 587.96 589.69 Yeah. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 589.69 590.77 The basic requirement. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 587.99 588.48 Okay. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 590.53 592.04 So. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 592.04 593.39 Fit in your hand, yeah. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 595.64 596.63 Only a buck. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 597.42 603.34 And also it have, i it may be it may be important for the remote control to be uh 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 613.13 619.99 Maybe it is original because you can uh use it in your uh in your bath whereas the others can't. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 604.67 610.5 To, to resist to various shocks that can happen if it fall. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 610.5 613.13 Water-proof as well. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 607.54 607.91 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 608.82 609.69 Waterproof. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 612.01 614.76 And I think we should have a device 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 621.33 623.65 Maybe water-proof would be very original. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 623.88 624.98 Sorry. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 624.84 629.94 Havin having a water-proof remote control so that the people can uh use it in their bath. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 630.25 630.63 Mm. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 631.29 632.14 That could be uh 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 631.52 632.42 B it seems uh so 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 632.42 639.1 but uh if you don't have an waterproof remote control it means you can just cover it with some plastic and you can sort of f 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 638.36 646.24 Yeah but, it is still something uh you have to buy and that is um not maybe very 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 652.87 655.47 That's people they actually do it themselves. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 644.04 644.61 And 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 644.61 652.87 and that's one of the that's one of the shock I mean there are people that have a remote control and they are worried that it's going to break and they put some extra plastic around it. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 652.4 653.13 Yeah, mayb 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 654.07 654.19 B 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 655.67 663.7 But maybe we can bulk it with uh already this plastic thing and uh the waterproof uh stuff as well. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 659.92 660.11 Yeah. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 661.59 662.97 directly. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 662.68 664.33 I it will look a bulky in that case. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 664.87 665.78 Yeah. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 665.78 670.62 Maybe we can sell uh all that together, so so plastic protection 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 665.65 665.82 Yeah. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 672.28 675.9 and uh and a waterproof box as well. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 677.83 680.19 That might be good uh track to follow. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 680.6 681.57 Like as an optional thing. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 682.74 685.72 Optional or selled with it? 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 682.74 689.6 And I I think we should have something, most of the time I I lose my remote control. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 689.6 695.52 We should have s uh special bu button on the T. V. to make the remote control beeping. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 689.92 690.15 Yeah. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 692.87 694.31 Maybe we can have uh 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 695.32 697.32 But we don't design the T. V. . 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 697.32 702.51 Maybe we can have uh something you whistle and uh the remote control uh beep. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 697.25 698.05 Ah yeah. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 703.05 703.56 Yeah. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 703.5 704 Barks. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 704.28 705.41 Barks. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 707.14 711.1 So we can uh have a whistle uh remote control? 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 704.44 707.14 Yeah, barks, yeah. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 710.38 711.13 Yeah. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 712.79 713.51 Yeah whistle. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 714.52 717.47 I don't know, whistle-able? 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 718.12 720.2 Whistle tracking. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 718.39 718.49 Th 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 721.55 723.71 Whistle tracking remote control. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 719.4 721.55 Whistle tracking yeah. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 723.71 727.49 That's a good idea, that's very original and that's can uh improve. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 726.19 735.82 That's that's quite cool, but uh of course we you don't normally need uh any audio uh recording stuff on your remote control right? 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 735.81 736.83 Yeah d d uh. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 736.43 739.14 So i it's just going to add t to the cost. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 746.07 747.61 I think this is a good advantage. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 739.92 746.07 Yeah but s still we have to mm we have to have an advantage over our competitors. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 748.39 753.59 I think I like the idea, but I'm not sure about the what you, who is giving who's giving who's giving our budget. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 753.59 754 Who's 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 747.38 748.39 It's cool. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 751.08 751.7 Yeah. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 751.7 752.99 We have to ask 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 753.78 754.13 Yeah. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 754.13 759.05 We have to ask the quest of that's uh design to the uh Industrial um Designer. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 756.66 756.99 Yeah. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 755.61 756.66 Yeah. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 760.2 762.3 Yeah. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 762.3 763.58 yeah 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 764.11 768.87 Okay so try to find that for next meeting. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 760.87 764.11 Which is you. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 761.54 762.7 'Kay. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 767.48 768.68 Okay. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 775.04 776.35 Don't pani. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 770.13 775.04 So next meeting is in thirty minutes or so uh. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 769.55 770.13 Okay. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 776.35 787.74 So so I will ask the Industrial Designer to find out more about this industrial design so any working any working function we have discussed. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 773.3 775.11 Don't panic. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 782.69 783.08 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 797.99 804.44 the the fact that is lighted or not, things like that, and what would be convenient for the user. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 788.59 797.99 So then I will ask the User Interf Interface Designer to to think about the point we discussed like the number of buttons,
IS1001a H01 MIO012 802.6 802.96 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 814.37 818.89 what is absolutely needed in a remote control uh for the user. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 805.28 814.37 And also um I will ask the Market Expert to uh try to find out what are the absolute requirements 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 822.55 832.36 And then uh I will uh just ask you to think about that and uh look at your mail because you will receive uh some good advice soon. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 821.24 822.55 So. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 832.92 833.49 Mm. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 834.95 835.34 So. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 836.72 840.47 Thank you I think that's all for this point. 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 838.44 838.56 Good. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 838.59 839.02 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001a H03 FIO074 841.85 842.01 Thank you 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 848.1 850.11 Uh, so we come back in five minutes? 
IS1001a H01 MIO012 852.07 853.55 Half an hour. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 858.05 859.93 Anyway you will receive some messages. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 869.13 869.88 Be careful. 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 872.23 872.75 You eat it? 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 877.23 878.09 Does it move uh? 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 881.91 885.72 Okay, but I don't know if it uh is still correctly uh 
IS1001a H00 MIO043 891.04 891.84 We'll see. 
IS1001a H02 MIO020 898.73 902.64 Ah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 24.5 24.81 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 26.34 27.56 Okay everyone's ready. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 27.85 28.15 Hello. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 29.92 34.54 So we are here for uh for uh functional design. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 37.4 40.76 Okay? 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 40.76 48.48 So we are here for the functional design meeting mm so first I will show the agenda so 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 49.7 53.54 we will uh I will take notes during this meeting so 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 54.72 61.79 I will try to summarise it and put that summary in the shared folder if you want to look at it afterwards 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 63.19 73.42 so then uh each of you will uh lead a presentation on the task that has been required last time so user requirement specification 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 73.42 76.42 technical function design and working design. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 78.36 87.53 Then I will uh present you some new project requirements I received from uh the management board. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 89.03 94.91 Then we will take uh the decision on on the remote control uh needed functions 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 105.52 109.1 Of the of the process. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 96.77 105.52 and then I will assign you the task for the next part of the meeting. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 109.1 115.48 So uh who want to start the the presentation of what they did? 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 118.13 118.28 Mm. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 119.04 120.08 F do you want to start? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 135.34 135.69 Up. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 122.66 124.9 So. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 120.45 122.66 Make a start yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 124.9 130.35 Cable, camera. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 130.35 135.34 Should be in my in their folder no? 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 122.04 122.51 You can start. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 128.53 131.16 You have uh PowerPoint? 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 135.65 137.34 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 133.94 135.65 Ah yeah maybe there. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 137.34 137.93 Who are you? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 138.3 139.31 Um at three I think. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 143.58 144.21 Mm. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 142.03 143.58 No? 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 147.4 147.79 Ouch. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 149.27 150.17 And 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 152.49 154.04 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 153.47 155.41 We have a technical problem uh. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 157.82 160.28 Do we think w s in the in the wrong folder maybe? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 161.82 162.58 It is possible. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 162.88 164.22 You put it on 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 163.12 163.47 No. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 164.7 166.31 It was somewhere in something like this. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 166.31 169.05 I don't remember the name actually must be something like messenger AMI or something. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 169.83 170.94 What do you have in short cut? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 171.27 171.61 Go up. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 172.21 172.97 Participant two. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 173.8 174.4 Yeah go up. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 175.56 175.76 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 176.6 177.19 Again. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 179.46 179.85 Go back. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 178.67 179.46 No. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 180.95 182.12 You have no 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 182.04 183.33 Uh maybe messenger AMI. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 185.17 185.57 Messenger. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 186.79 187.15 Over. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 188.23 188.57 Okay. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 190.12 190.44 No. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 190.44 191.03 There is nothing. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 195.27 196.32 There's no 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 197.56 199.88 We have a technical problem. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 198.09 200.05 Let's go and check. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 200.05 200.93 I'll go and check. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 200.12 201.92 Otherwise, could you just describe 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 199.44 200.12 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 204.66 206.12 With the the whiteboard? 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 203.21 204.66 by hand? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 204.3 204.6 Okay. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 206.44 206.75 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 206.85 209.58 If you remember yeah but that's 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 217.6 224.18 So most people want to have a a remote for their hi-fi and T. V. and stuff like that. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 210.06 214.68 Basically what we want here is a remote control right. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 208.18 209.11 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 214.68 217.6 So um the question well first of all what to control. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 224.18 239.52 And but other people want th also remotes for controlling uh and toys like robotic pets and little robots and stuff and other people also want to have remotes for controlling um whole house. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 209.11 210.06 So uh. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 214.1 214.47 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 223.54 223.93 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 232.39 232.73 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 239.96 240.51 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 240.35 240.62 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 240.6 249.33 Yeah, so there's a project I think called X. house or something like that that does that, uh you can integrate your remote with uh computers stuff. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 251.84 254.41 The other is the 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 249.33 251.84 So there is one that is one thing. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 249.16 249.44 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 259.2 262.37 Uh if you have the finder feature then you can also have 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 255.96 259.2 the finder feature yeah by whistling or whatever. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 259.52 259.85 Okay. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 263.49 267.41 uh at the same time as and general voice commands if you want yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 267.94 268.25 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 280.57 289.25 Uh and th the buttons part would be uh a set of buttons for choosing devices, a set of buttons for special navigation in space, 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 275.94 280.57 One is the voice command part and on one is the actual buttons part. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 271.94 275.94 Uh so the user interface will consist of two parts. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 268.2 271.94 So I think it should be a package in that case. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 285.51 285.85 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 289.63 290 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 290.37 298.72 a set of buttons for linear access of medium and a set of buttons for random access. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 300.31 300.73 Okay. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 300.87 301.13 Yeah? 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 301.11 302.81 What do you mean by linear access then? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 302.82 306.91 Like a video tape goes forward, backwards, uh fast and stuff yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 304.77 305.02 Ah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 308.51 309.01 Um. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 308.69 314.02 Okay so special navigation, linear access, random access and there's a fourth one no? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 314.73 314.95 Mm? 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 316.14 318.52 So the better now for special navigation? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 323.92 324.24 Uh. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 319.43 323.92 For special navigation for example you might have a T. V. in the menu and you going to change yeah? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 319.04 319.43 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 323.38 326.43 Then linear access then random access. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 322.31 323.38 Okay. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 325.42 326.45 Mm. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 330.19 348.95 So if there are common parameters maybe we should put special buttons for that um or maybe we could have everything uh generic but uh there are a lot of uh remotes on the market right now and basically this is most of the almost everybody has this stuff. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 326.45 330.19 Yeah and also parameter changing. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 328.46 329.8 Ah yeah parameter okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 333.93 334.33 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 343.4 343.73 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 348.64 351.66 Okay and and voice command did you uh 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 351.6 353.43 Voice command w we could specify anything. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 360.58 360.84 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 353.43 360.58 We could assign any button a command to any button, if we have enough processing power, I guess so. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 354.1 354.62 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 356.5 356.89 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 361.22 361.7 Okay. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 362.32 362.54 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 362.92 366.17 So that's uh that close your investigations? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 366.42 367.48 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 369.14 369.53 Not so far. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 367.48 369.14 Uh yeah I think so. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 367.61 367.9 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 369.51 370.06 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 370.06 373.07 Maybe we can have a look at the user requirements with 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 373.41 375.02 Yeah. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 375.02 381.56 Um I dunno if you can open the uh m is not here. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 380.36 381.05 Maybe you can s 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 378.6 380.36 I dunno if I can open it. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 382.05 382.48 It's 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 383.08 384.28 Uh in 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 387.15 387.31 No. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 386.27 387.15 yeah okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 386.82 387.95 Messenger no? 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 388.36 389.43 In document. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 392.68 394.16 Mm computer yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 395.98 396.75 In which folder? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 397 397.65 Where did you put it? 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 398.1 399.26 Here. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 399.26 399.5 Here. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 400.75 403.5 Short-cut to AMI shared folder? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 401.93 403.96 mm. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 402.49 403.15 But it's not 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 404.38 404.81 Um. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 407.25 409.25 Maybe you can send it to me by email. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 411.75 413.62 Just to participant one. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 416.74 417.42 At AMI. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 417.6 418.27 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 418.27 419.69 Yeah, I can do that. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 419.58 425.83 I will try to show it to everyone, that would be more comfortable. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 425.97 426.66 Okay. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 426.66 427.79 Um. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 429.36 429.77 You send it? 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 432.14 434.76 It's participant one? 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 435.08 435.31 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 436.58 437.91 Uh this is this email. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 443.45 447.11 I'm designing the user interface. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 464.66 465.1 Okay. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 465.1 465.44 You can uh. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 468.99 469.37 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 476.3 482.7 So maybe I can switch slides when you whenever you ask, that will be more convenient. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 482.7 485.61 So okay, functional requirements. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 478.71 478.94 Yeah. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 484.35 486.29 Okay so you can you can go. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 489.04 502.72 Okay so in our usability lab we observed the remote control use among one hundred subjects and the subjects also filled a questionnaire okay? 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 497.08 497.37 Mm. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 502.47 502.69 Yeah. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 505.06 519.55 And here I have the results so you can see that um seventy five per cent of users find most remote controls ugly so we have to find something to make them more 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 520.6 522.92 more nice, more kind. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 522.92 529.91 Eighty per cents of users would spend more money when the remote control would look fancy. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 538.41 539.71 So okay. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 529.91 538.41 Eighty hundred per cent of users would spend more money when the remote control would look oh to it's not good. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 539.71 542.49 So it's not in theory but I I can I can say yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 539.79 541.07 We can just keep doing that? 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 542.53 542.78 Yeah. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 564.61 575.65 Um and fifty per cents of users say they only use uh ten per cents of but of the buttons in the in the remote control. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 555.24 564.61 Uh the buttons have are to be um uh uh like you say resist resisting to to shocks. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 575.65 587.37 So all the buttons we we have to put are have to to have um a use a real use and not only or 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 547.5 555.24 So mm we have to have a remote control uh very um out for that. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 542.66 547.5 Fifty f uh seventy five per cent of users say they s zap a lot. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 562.96 563.45 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 573.84 575.47 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 586.47 587.05 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 587.94 590.64 Okay, so fewer buttons maybe would be good? 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 589.86 590.23 Yeah. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 590.23 597.39 F not many buttons, and uh and uh uh u useable buttons. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 597.78 598.27 Okay. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 598.88 601 But what kind of remote controls did you look at? 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 601.7 602.09 Sorry? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 604.23 605.09 It was a T. V. ? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 602.53 604.23 What kind of task was it? 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 605.89 606.48 Yeah. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 606.48 610.86 Uh most for most is T. V. . 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 607.86 608 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 623.79 624.24 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 609.97 623.79 Yeah but in fact we it it seems that we are going to make a T. V. remote control according to new requirements I received from the management bo I will present them in the following. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 616.15 616.44 Huh. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 618.54 618.78 Uh-huh. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 621.19 621.78 Ah !0 Good. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 622.38 625.54 'Kay you can go so. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 627.16 631.54 So there are other frustrations expressed by users 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 631.54 643.54 so they said uh they lost uh often the remote control in in the room so they want to have a way to to 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 638.29 638.59 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 645.79 646.05 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 644.45 645.79 To find it. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 656.73 661.9 So they want something s really very simple and uh easy to use. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 644.86 646.73 to find it. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 646.73 656.73 Um and um lot of the time they it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 654.64 654.88 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 657.85 658.24 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 659.65 660.06 Okay. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 663.33 666.79 And uh remote controls are bad for 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 668.55 669.8 What is her other side? 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 668.76 671.93 R. S. I. um 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 673.64 674.15 I dunno. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 673.7 675.75 Other side yeah, yo wa your wrist. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 677.55 679.49 It i can become painful you can have tendonditis. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 681.67 682.51 I did not knew that. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 680.1 681.67 Oh yeah? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 680.63 680.84 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 682.67 685.15 If you also up on a computer in a strange position. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 685.18 688.7 Okay so you we have to make it uh more ergonomic yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 688.65 690.23 But uh. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 687.53 688.65 Ergonomic. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 690.23 693.12 Have to say ha ha. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 690.23 690.5 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 692 699.26 It's your job Oh. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 700.65 701.07 Uh. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 701.72 706.41 Uh sorry got a message from Microsoft. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 706.56 719.52 Okay um before that I I have some some some thing uh to say before um 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 715.8 716.86 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 718.28 718.57 Yeah yeah. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 751.66 761.04 So it's better to put uh uh uh something very easy to set and uh and 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 733.54 751.66 Um and um to to change uh volume selection of the and uh and not uh a lot for setting for setting the the channels and uh thing things like that. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 722.89 733.54 We know that uh the user use uh a lot their um remote control um to to change channel. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 732.36 732.67 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 739.55 740.06 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 746.39 746.63 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 749.47 749.89 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 751.27 751.54 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 751.36 751.76 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 759.27 759.52 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 765.85 767.16 This is the main function okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 764.04 765.85 Yeah, okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 760.87 764.04 This function should be very uh accessible. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 762.25 764.32 Very accessible yes. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 765.42 765.7 That's right. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 767.13 790.54 So then we asked some questions to them and um we asked this question if they prefer an L. C. D. screen or on their remultific function remotes control and if they mm pay more for speech recognition in remote control and you can go we have here the results of 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 771.33 771.52 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 774.34 774.76 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 784.32 784.67 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 790.85 791.58 The first question. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 794.44 797.25 So you know that um 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 791.91 794.44 of the questions. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 798.32 802.09 for the younger it's very important 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 802.66 804.87 To have L. C. D. and voice. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 803.12 806.5 to have the s yes and speech recognition. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 829.52 829.74 Yeah. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 806.5 825.38 And uh and the others is not so important but uh we know that uh uh people between fifteen and twenty five are people who watch a lot T. V. and uh who who wh can use a lot this uh. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 825.38 829.52 So maybe we we can have a speech recognition in. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 824.7 825.17 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 830.16 844.75 Moreover th maybe those uh like those teenager customer could advice their parents to buy this equipment and so we can we have to take care of that point of view I think or so. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 827.3 830.16 Yeah maybe this this is important. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 839.31 839.68 Mm. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 847.05 849.99 Okay and if there is th the conclusion now. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 849.99 858.37 So as we say before, I think uh um a remote control lightening in the dark it's it's a good thing. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 861.83 876.94 e easy to use uh a way to find it easily in the room and uh uh resistant to to shock and to to 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 844.93 847.05 Mm. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 858.37 861.83 Uh not to many mud buttons like we we said before 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 846.56 846.74 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 858.18 858.6 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 861.93 862.18 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 876 876.39 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 877.73 878.14 Okay. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 879.47 881.98 An I s no, yeah. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 881.98 886.48 I dunno if you see something else important or 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 880.59 882.63 Okay these are the user requi 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 889.4 892.22 I'm just thinking of some thing. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 892.22 892.72 Um 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 891.55 891.71 Mm. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 891.99 892.2 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 898.42 901.66 We want to have a a general remote control for everything. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 895.3 898.42 We want to have a no, I don't know if this is a good idea. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 902.98 908.14 We w it seems that we no want to have a T. V. remote control. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 911.69 913.31 Cos it would be costly 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 901.82 902.98 No no no. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 908.14 911.69 From the management board I receive an email. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 907.78 908.1 Okay. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 908.26 908.46 Mm. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 910.48 910.92 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 914.4 921.28 uh and and also it it would take more time to develop to have a a general generic remote control. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 917.94 918.1 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 918.1 919.04 Yeah yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 920.73 921.17 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 921.74 923.38 Mm I it's not true I think. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 925.5 927.55 The the second claim that you put. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 925.59 926.28 No no. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 928.1 930 That it would be too long to develop. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 930.29 931.77 I think that should be the same. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 929.55 930.29 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 933.58 949.15 Because I received that email from management board and they seems to tell that that if we want to be on the market as early as possible we should uh focus on T. V. more where it seems that the market is more important. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 932.72 933.58 Oh yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 953.97 954.69 What's your opinion? 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 951.99 953.21 So maybe it's a good decision. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 953.21 953.97 I dunno. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 954.18 960.51 I have uh I've no idea I mean I should know a bit more about how fast we can uh design it. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 960.51 961.39 I don't think 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 962.52 963.58 Uh yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 979.1 979.57 If fact 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 974.83 979.1 So I'm just going to describe briefly what we do in the remote control. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 964.1 966.62 Finish tonight. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 966.62 974.83 But basically yeah maybe I can continue with my presentation, it would be al you you but I think we have some technical problem or so. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 965.39 966 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 966 967.51 Okay. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 967.51 967.76 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 970.92 971.32 Okay. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 971.14 971.28 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 971.3 971.44 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 978.93 982.64 Maybe you can go to the whiteboard if you have some drawings to do I don't know. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 982.28 982.92 Yeah but 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 982.42 982.77 Mm. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 985.74 987.78 Now I have enough cables. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 984.06 985.74 Do I have oh yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 988.18 991.47 Like a you feel a bit like a dog with this stuff. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 997.83 1001.24 We just have sorry, I'm going 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 991.63 997.83 Okay so I'm just going to describe in fact for for a remote control this is quite easy. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1004.21 1005.87 Are you okay? 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1003.68 1004.21 Okay. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1007.25 1011.08 Basically we have a a battery a power supply here. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1006.13 1007.25 I'm just going to describe. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1014.23 1014.96 Let's say that 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1005.06 1006.13 Like that. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1011.08 1014.23 After that we just have um user interface. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1016.65 1017.43 um 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1019.3 1029.83 something like that, which could be um a L. C. D. let's say or um an array of push button, something like that. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1033.17 1035.43 Push button or a L. C. D. . 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1035.43 1038.13 After that we we feed that into um 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1041.89 1055.58 So I say U. C. and I feed that to uh L. E. D. which is uh infrared um which is a an infrared um component. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1055.58 1060.77 And so what we for for myself this for for us this is quite easy. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1039.78 1041.89 uh an electronic chip. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1061.01 1062.58 U. C. is the central unit? 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1064.33 1071.31 Y it's a it's this just a chip which does all the um numerical 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1063.53 1064.33 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1064.13 1064.56 Okay yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1071.73 1072.47 Computation. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1072.4 1075.8 numerical computation according to your display. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1096.69 1098.48 So for us this is quite easy. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1078.36 1096.69 We just need to take to define what we want to do when the user interface um wants something and after that we just do the coding to s and send that to to to the not the to the television. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1075.8 1078.36 And so for us uh this is quite easy. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1073.72 1073.93 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1096.23 1096.64 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1099 1101.08 Okay so this is quite easy. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1101.08 1102.36 There is not that much constraints. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1101.07 1109.33 Um we just have to define the processing power that we need uh especially if we want to do some uh speech recognition 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1109.33 1114.01 in that case that mean that we are going to use more for simple 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1100.69 1101.07 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1116.34 1117.53 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1112.75 1116.34 This will think this will take more time to develop also. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1115.44 1117.53 Yeah of course of course. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1121.36 1125.16 It's a question of one month and so on s 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1117.53 1121.36 And um but for a standard one this is really easy. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1123.72 1124.28 Soon. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1124.71 1128.51 To have a you s you speak about with voi voice control? 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1128.74 1136 No no no no, I say yeah standard uh standard remote control takes maybe uh one month to to do that. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1129.75 1131.6 Standard button one. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1137.36 1141.17 So the only time problem is the sp voice recognition. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1141.17 1142.39 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1136.7 1137.36 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1142.39 1142.57 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1140.59 1141.39 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1141.39 1142.01 Definitely. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1143.41 1148.16 So do you have any idea of how long it would take to have voice recognition now? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1148.28 1149.74 Ten years. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1148.59 1151.07 I would say. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1151.07 1159.09 I would say uh about eight months to have the first results. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1159.56 1161.66 Okay so i it's a bit long yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1161.8 1162.45 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1162.45 1163.04 I can 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1167.69 1168 Um. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1177.88 1179.83 Even if we have a L. C. D. display? 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1174.66 1177.88 One month for the standard one with button. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1176.84 1177.17 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1180.11 1180.81 Yeah even. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1180.81 1183.33 I mean that this is really standard devices now. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1184.42 1185.24 Um eight. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1187.66 1190.53 For uh speech recognition. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1193.84 1194.52 Okay yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1200.09 1205.6 So who think it would be good to go for uh like speech recognition? 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1197.57 1200.09 Okay so we can take this into account. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1206.48 1207.91 But we don't have time to market. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1208.79 1209.84 Yeah it will. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1208.93 1211.57 And also how much uh I think 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1212.63 1213.97 I think we should contact management. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1213.21 1228.14 during the kickoff meeting you say that we we shouldn't we shouldn't go up to twelve point five Euro per unit so how many units should we sell to have a 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1222.46 1223.52 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1221.69 1222.46 Euros. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1231.75 1232.58 Well. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1232.58 1232.98 Uh 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1232.4 1235.58 Well each unit is is sell uh twenty five Euros. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1236.46 1237.89 Yeah but how many yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1239.25 1245.53 How muc how much do you get how much do you if you buy one million units h no, one hundred thousand units. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1247.29 1248.34 We're gonna need chips right. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1246.63 1247.29 Eh chips. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1248.9 1249.1 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1249.48 1250.09 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1250.09 1252.22 How much will it cost for one hundred thousand? 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1251.12 1255.7 Usually this is less tha at two dollars per chip. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1256.16 1256.57 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1257.59 1258.22 Because we are 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1257.67 1262.31 So you have any idea for a powerful one that has uh good enough for do speech recognition. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1263.63 1266.32 Yeah, we can 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1264.48 1264.89 Yeah? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1264.89 1265.21 Okay. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1267.15 1267.6 No it doesn't. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1266.42 1267.15 So. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1267.19 1273.51 It seems that that we want to sell like four million units from the first meeting. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1272.2 1273.34 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1275.16 1275.56 Okay. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1277.03 1277.72 Four million. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1279.24 1287.53 Maybe we can uh we can look at the new requirement I receive from the management board and discus discuss all function we want to have. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1278.76 1279.24 Okay. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 1288.27 1288.34 Mm. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1291.18 1291.98 Um 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1293.79 1298.16 I just had a question uh do you want to continue with your presenta? 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1298.16 1298.95 Is it 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1299.7 1303.27 Well ask your question if you want. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1298.14 1299.7 Yeah I I will continue. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1301.94 1307.23 Um you say that I don't remember by heart but thirty per cent 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 1307.81 1308.1 Mm? 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1308.59 1316.96 of the tested people say that's it's quite difficult to to to use the remote control. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 1317.34 1317.68 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1318.37 1324.99 Do they say that this is difficult but for the same reason or do they have other reason? 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 1327.11 1328.01 Would j 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 1326.63 1327.11 Oh. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1326.81 1332.5 To to maybe to keep in mind maybe to access to that menu you should do something like that. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 1331.96 1340.55 Uh yeah w I I think they they say that it's uh difficult to learn how to use it but i when you know how to use it 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 1342.07 1342.28 But 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 1340.55 1342.07 it's it's okay. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1338.5 1338.87 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1340.44 1341.87 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1341.87 1342.12 And 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1340.98 1342.13 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1342.13 1343.86 It's not intuitive first. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 1343.53 1343.89 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1351.02 1354.21 You say that I want, I have six button 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1344.11 1351.02 But yeah maybe and what about if we design a remote control which can be configure as you want? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1353.94 1369.55 A a lot of people are uh if you have the L. C. D. screen if you can do it completely the way you want because the buttons also look the way you want them but it will be hard to configure I mean imagine i uh so it's really something for the expert user. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1369.55 1370.06 So 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1353.49 1353.94 Mh-hmm. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1356.62 1356.94 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1357.67 1357.94 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1360.87 1361.12 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1361.36 1363.47 But, but also it seems that 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1365.1 1365.45 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1365.17 1365.44 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1369.5 1369.86 Okay. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1371.08 1372.29 I mean there are markets and markets. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1372.29 1381.71 I think the young people are th uh are uh Christine here said uh you have a uh it is yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1388.36 1390.68 I don't know if there is study about that. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1385.53 1387.87 Th maybe their parents will not but they will configure it. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1387.87 1388.36 I guess. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1381.71 1385.53 So for our young people uh it will be cool, they can be able to use it. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1378.02 1378.28 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1379.91 1380.14 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1390.24 1396.8 Maybe it would be more complex to configure it to be simple than creating a simple product. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1389.4 1390.24 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1390.16 1390.44 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 1391.91 1392.36 Mm. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1392.78 1393 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1393 1393.17 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1394.45 1394.64 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1394.8 1394.93 Mm. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 1395.2 1395.34 Mm. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1396.61 1404.95 And there are another thing is that if we make something that's simple and easy to use that's bas to use immediately that means that it will be exactly the same as everything else. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1404.95 1405.21 All right? 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1396.81 1397.03 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1405.65 1405.82 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1404.68 1405.65 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1406.77 1411.45 Otherwise, if it's different then of course everybody has somebody has to learn to use it first. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1411.64 1411.77 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1411.66 1412.31 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1412.31 1426.06 But also we we see that that most people find it find remote controls too complex because they have too many buttons and they mainly use only channels and volume buttons. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1426.06 1436.45 So we may just uh make a very easy to use remote control with mainly those buttons and maybe also um 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 1423.67 1423.8 Mm. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1423.93 1424.49 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1433.5 1433.83 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1437.69 1439.55 some lightning stuff too 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1440.98 1446.02 because most people find also hard to to find the remote control. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1447.06 1448.8 Losed lose it etcetera. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1447.07 1447.57 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1450.95 1465.68 These these are these two points are the main frustrations so maybe if we design something very simple and easy to uh find when lost it will uh add uh a serious competitive advantage 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1467.33 1470.89 without making something too complex and too long to develop. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 1467.36 1467.87 Mm. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1471.87 1472.17 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1472.97 1476.87 So but le let us see first the new requirement. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1476.87 1495.63 So we don't have to so this this uh is uh is um in the this is in the same direction as we were speaking so we don't have to make a very complex remote controls to access teletext and stuff like that 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1494.49 1496.26 But teletext is just one button. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1497.24 1503.47 Yeah but then you have to you have to define the buttons to surf amongst pages and stuff. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1501.91 1504.57 You you just write the write the numbers. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1505.17 1505.41 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1507.01 1507.71 So well 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1507.05 1509.82 So will you add with the channel keys, right? 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1511.36 1520.16 So anyway we don't have to include this feature because it's it's not used any more by users, they prefer to s 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1510.34 1511.36 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1511.01 1511.24 So. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1520.1 1520.63 I am. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1520.63 1525.05 I'm sure that uh it don't like but uh I don't see just one button. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1525.88 1527.07 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1531.81 1537.97 If if if we want to make it very simple we have to reduce number of buttons compared to th to our competitors. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1528.57 1531.81 If i one button is still one more button. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1527.07 1528.57 I dunno. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1526.84 1527.05 So. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1539.01 1539.3 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1543.39 1555.34 Also um so as as I told before uh it would be better if it's only for the T. V. um 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1540.07 1542.02 Well anyway I have this point. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1542.02 1543.39 We can discuss. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1557.14 1560.02 because we want to be quick on on the market. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1561.86 1568.67 And then also we have to make very uh uh clear that this uh 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1569.86 1585.68 this remote control is is part of of our products and show our corporate uh logo and and colours on the on the design as well so that uh they identify it as one of our product. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1587.27 1589.04 So this is the the key point. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1590.48 1607.65 So before uh finishing we can uh define uh what would be the characteristic of the o th of the control of the remote control and which button do we need which function do we want etcetera. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1608.03 1609.75 Capital. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 1608.18 1608.24 Mm. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1611.86 1612.48 So 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1613.8 1621.44 do you um so so from from the the Marketing Expert I think 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1639.71 1640.08 no? 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1626.66 1639.71 it should be very simple and most button are never used only ten per cent of the button are are used often so I think we have to do something very simple and I think we all agree on that point 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1622.68 1626.66 a key aspect is the easy to use aspect 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 1627.18 1627.64 Mm. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1639.63 1640 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 1640.04 1640.18 Mm. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1640.4 1643.42 Well if it is going to be just a T. V. remote control it is going to be very simple. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1645.11 1648.06 So yeah the key point here is simple. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1643.89 1645.11 Yeah okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1651.72 1654.19 So few buttons, channel, 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1650.31 1651.72 Maybe. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1655.52 1656.58 volume control 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1657.7 1660.04 and what el what function do you see 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1660.84 1665.64 Well if it's going to be as simple as possible then just have the remote control, there is no other function that I can see 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1661.22 1662.02 in addition to that? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1666.82 1667.07 really. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1666.95 1667.53 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1667.53 1670.41 Maybe switch T. V. on and off 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1669.63 1677.36 Uh no you want to keep television on so that the advertising can revenue can come back to us. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1677.36 1678.22 Or something. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1675.1 1678.66 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1678.66 1678.98 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1678.98 1684.62 Volume, maybe a mute button, and then on off button. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1683.55 1683.88 Mm. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1686.13 1686.72 And that's all? 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1687.63 1693.3 Uh I know that som you say that many people are doing plenty of a lot of zapping. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 1693.57 1693.93 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1694.04 1694.23 Mm. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1702.86 1707.64 you have a button, you you press it, and this is uh the previous channel which has come back. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1694.71 1702.86 I know tha I discovered that when I did a quick look, uh they do now som they do something which is quite nice now,
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1702.86 1704.33 It's a memory, yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1707.63 1708.75 Yeah this is cool. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1708.75 1710.23 Maybe we can include that also. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1713.58 1726.03 So we have like channel button, the previous channel button, the volume button, plus a mute button, and uh just the the traditional on off button. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1706.78 1707.63 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1710.23 1713.58 Previous previous channel button. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1717.67 1718.15 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1720.45 1720.75 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1725.23 1726.28 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1725.62 1728.34 And uh and of course the channel changing buttons. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1729.33 1729.75 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1729.75 1730.91 I I talk about that, yeah? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1730.08 1733.21 How should they how should we implement that? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1733.21 1736.66 Because uh could be numerical only or could be also incremental. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1737.51 1738.75 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1738.75 1742.91 Incremental definitely because zapping you you switch them. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1742.22 1742.52 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1742.8 1744.98 Let's say that we can do something like that. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1744.98 1751.96 This is uh incremental, but once you press it for a long time, you go five by five. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1754.21 1754.92 We go faster? 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1754.33 1756.08 To go fa to go faster. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1758.03 1758.37 Mm. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1758.34 1758.73 Mm. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1764.59 1772.85 So if you you have your ten buttons for the for the numeric the numerical buttons and you have instead of having just one memory 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1758.73 1764.59 It's an interesting idea, that if you press it for a long time it does something else, in general. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1773.32 1773.49 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1773.94 1776.25 you have if you press them for a long time 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1777.35 1777.76 No. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1777.76 1779.43 Doesn't work does it. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1781.21 1784.81 Maybe we should have also a digit button 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1790.76 1791.7 Change channel to eight. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1784.2 1790.76 Maybe we should have a complete keyboard and just type console commands. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1790.58 1790.83 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1792.09 1800.55 Maybe we have also to have digits or only incremental. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1800.55 1802.24 I dunno bec because if you have the 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1793.78 1794.74 No. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1801.53 1809.01 Well if it's useful like if if you want to change between three channels for example then you h you cannot you cannot cannot work with just memory being incremental. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1805.96 1806.12 Uh. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1810.26 1822.55 Because you have your previous channel button if you have incremental only it's not uh it isn't worth it because the previous channel is eith either minus one or plus one. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1809.91 1810.26 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1825.91 1835.5 Maybe we we can make very obvious the channel and volume button button and smaller button down there with the the digits. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1822.55 1825.91 So I think we need also digits. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1815.03 1815.28 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1820.99 1822.22 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1822.22 1823.76 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1825.27 1825.57 Okay. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1836.12 1841.55 Yeah when you zap usually you will have to press the same button all the time and 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1839.86 1840.06 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1843.18 1846.54 We can design the remote control to have access. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1841.16 1843.18 Or we can do something like that. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1846.54 1853.29 You know some remote control have uh protection and so you you y 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1843.35 1843.62 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1850.49 1850.81 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1854.12 1854.41 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1854.56 1859.71 Hey I just thought this thing there is a I mean you know there is are some with a wheel like this. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1859.71 1863.75 Instead of having the up down buttons for uh you can have the wheel. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1863.75 1864.08 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1854.61 1855.19 You 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1861.54 1861.82 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1862.1 1863.51 Yeah, a kind of joystick. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1864.39 1864.7 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1864.7 1867.54 Maybe we can have a wheel for incremental. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1868.08 1876.14 So have a wheel for incremental, have the digits uh on the lower side that can be closed so as you say protected, 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1867.54 1868.08 Okay. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1867.52 1867.85 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1874.98 1875.44 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1876.44 1876.8 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1878.09 1881.23 and uh yeah I think this is the basi 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1884.29 1885.92 If we do that. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1883.94 1884.29 No? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1880.61 1883.94 On the lower side I think it you have to turn it. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1884.07 1885.95 And do we do we have a 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1885.58 1891.17 Or a or a ball, yeah, not a a wheel but a ball, and you say uh to 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1890.25 1891.57 No, a wheel is better. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1893.37 1895.15 What is the expert of uh 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1891.57 1893.37 I would say the wheel is better. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1890.88 1891.21 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1892.82 1894.64 Because of that 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1895.13 1895.39 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1900.78 1906.88 So you have to the user has to like to should feel the the the discrete sense a bit. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1895.48 1898.65 Because it's uh it's it's not like a volume which is smooth yeah? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1898.65 1900.78 The channels change one by one. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1900.25 1900.48 Yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1904.5 1905.71 Yeah, the yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1907.4 1908.13 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1908.13 1910.33 That's a good idea. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1905.69 1907.4 Okay. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1908 1908.19 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1912.21 1919.44 Well also we have to decide uh so it should be lightening in the dark I think because most people lost their remote control. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1918.79 1924.15 'S quite it's quite easy we do that w with back light on the on the wheel. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1920.72 1921.14 Okay. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1922.78 1923.5 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1923.5 1927.81 Even if i L. E. D. uh or a if if it's the L. C. D. feature uh whatever, yeah. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1925.79 1928.61 A blue a blue L. E. D. and we sell that um. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1931.14 1935.52 Because it was important for young customers if you remember. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1927.48 1931.14 Yeah, and do we put an L. C. D. display? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1928.82 1929 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1934.96 1938.51 I think it's only put on if cou have multi function. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1943.88 1945.4 The user does not have an advantage really. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1938.51 1942.09 If you do not multi function then there is no p point in having L. C. D. . 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1942.09 1943.88 Just increase the cost. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1938.48 1938.65 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1943.57 1943.93 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1945.28 1946.48 So no L. C. D. ? 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1946.59 1946.98 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 1946.75 1946.97 Hmm. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1947.8 1953.67 And so no speech as well because it w it would delay too much the development process. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1952.32 1952.78 Okay. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1956.66 1960.46 Because a user could say C. N. N. for example and it would go C. N. N. . 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1952.81 1956.01 Well if it's going to delay yeah but uh it will be cool. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1956.01 1956.66 It would. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1960.46 1960.85 Mm. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 1958.84 1959.04 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1960.94 1961.3 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1961.3 1962.3 That would be cool. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1962.3 1964.73 But eight months is really long and 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 1962.62 1962.8 Yeah. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1966.16 1967.82 Maybe we can just uh 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1968.4 1972.92 Ten years 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 2003.85 2004.46 So 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1973.77 2003.85 So um I I will uh I will so I we will move to next meeting so in after the lunch break uh here are the individual uh action uh you are required to do but you will be uh recalled to the actions by uh email I think but you can take notes if you if you want but well the instruction will be sent. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 1972.9 1973.77 Okay. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 1986.33 1986.64 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 2029.06 2038.63 Uh maybe for next meeting uh send me your presentation before by email so that we can see them uh altogether. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 2005.54 2029.06 thank you for uh your suggestion and I I will make a summary of that meeting that I will put in the shared folder you can't see and uh and then you will um you will be able to to see what has been uh has been said on on this meeting and and what has been decided. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 2038.63 2039.42 That would be easier. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 2006.91 2007.2 Okay. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 2013.19 2014.24 Okay. 
IS1001b H02 MIO020 2014.24 2014.61 Okay. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 2041.43 2042.37 And did it it did work? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 2038.23 2039.38 Yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 2039.38 2041.43 What is the folder that you put yours in? 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 2038.8 2038.92 Mm. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 2042.2 2043.06 No. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 2043.33 2044.24 No it did not work. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 2044.24 2046.04 She send it to me by email. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 2044.84 2046.11 I dunno, I dunno it. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 2043.66 2044.84 No no. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 2044.59 2045.51 Ah yeah. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 2045.51 2045.72 Mm. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 2046.9 2047.44 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 2047.62 2050.34 So maybe this is better, to send it by email. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 2051.89 2061.56 So yeah I I'm it's in the first uh email so I'm participant one at AMI uh where is that, it's here. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 2050.34 2051.89 Okay? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 2050.23 2051.21 Okay what is your email? 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 2057.26 2058.42 At participant one. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 2058.42 2058.8 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 2062.94 2064.61 Participant one at AMI. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 2067.58 2068.16 Okay. 
IS1001b H00 MIO043 2069.51 2071.66 So see you after lunch break. 
IS1001b H03 FIO074 2072.66 2074.01 'Kay thank you. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 2072.77 2074.9 Well during lunch break actually. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 2087.3 2088.58 So next time we should have a fight. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 2090.88 2092.53 How about uh management or something. 
IS1001b H01 MIO012 2094.86 2096.14 Who happens to be your friend. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 31.05 31.84 Okay. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 32.45 32.72 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 33.22 36.92 So we are here for the concept design meeting. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 38.95 46.71 So, we will first start by summarizing the mm the previous meeting and the decision we've taken. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 48.31 57.85 Uh I will take notes during this meeting so uh that you can uh look at my uh folder to see the summary of this meeting afterwards. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 59.08 70.69 So each of you will uh show us the various investigation they've done during uh previous uh hours. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 72.61 84.53 We'll then t take decision in concert and then uh uh we will uh define the nest next task, to have to be done before the next meeting. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 85.55 90.7 So, last time we decided to have a simple interface. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 97.79 107.72 Channel digit uh buttons should be uh protected by plastic cover or something for the remote control to look very simple. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 91.89 97.79 We also decided to have a wheel to change channel previous channel button. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 108.75 113.23 We have also button for volume, and to switch on off the T. V. . 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 115.44 121.4 We have also uh the lightening feature for the remote control to be easy to find 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 121.4 129.41 and for fast development and low cost we have decided to have no L. C. D. no voice features. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 131.09 135.18 So now uh we will have three presentations. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 135.18 150.65 So the conceptual specification by Industrial Designer, the specification of the U. I. by or U. I. okay. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 150.65 156.46 And uh the last point is uh trend watching by Market Expert. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 145.32 147.69 Abdul al-Hasred is my name. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 157.29 161.19 So maybe we can start with uh industrial design. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 164.02 167.64 So this is the presentation. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 167.74 168.97 Uh, I. D. you want? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 172.92 175.58 Maybe I can switch slide uh on your request. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 174.25 174.53 Yeah. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 175.38 177.43 I only v have three slides, so. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 177.43 179.2 I just look at the mm 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 180.36 182.09 um just this. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 183.37 190.86 On some web pages to find some documentation and I think a remote control is, as I s mentioned previously, 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 185.22 185.44 Yeah. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 191.44 199.28 you just have a a very simple chip and the mm the user interface is just done usually by push button 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 199.61 204.05 and in our case we are using a um a wheel control. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 210.44 216.41 which is uh very very standard, and uh I just looked for the wheel sensor and the standard push button. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 204.46 210.44 So uh uh I was looking basically for that chip,
IS1001c H01 MIO020 229.13 238.06 The push button are usually extremely cheap, but I just have one problem and this is related with the wheel sensor, which seems to be quite expensive. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 217.02 221.34 And um yeah we can change directly. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 221.34 229.13 In fact I have the number of that element which is very standard for remote control. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 221.29 221.54 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 238.83 239.37 Okay. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 238.84 239.13 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 239.36 249.52 And I think we if we could just talk about that if we really need a wheel sensor or if we can not if if we could combine something with the push button. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 250.86 251.26 Okay. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 251.51 257.04 Uh a wheel sensor is fifty time the price of a a a push button. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 251.72 251.81 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 263.27 268.17 Because we can afford up to twelve Euros for the price of the remote control. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 257.16 263.27 But is it a significant price on the whole remote control? 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 257.33 257.66 Mm. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 263.47 263.7 Yeah. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 269.01 270.41 Yeah I I th 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 269.64 280.41 So will will will this with uh including all possible things, so buttons, wheel and the chip, be uh lower than twelve Euros to produce? 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 280.35 283.26 But I don't think that uh we should 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 285.08 289.77 We should talk about uh the design of the box also which needs some money. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 289.77 290.26 But 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 286.43 286.95 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 288.29 288.67 Okay 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 288.95 294.19 Also have to say Did you receive the email about the voice recognition? 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 296.02 299.42 Um that's all yeah. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 299.42 300.08 I haven't chec 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 298.11 298.47 No? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 299.14 300.35 You received something 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 300.39 300.74 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 300.74 307.41 You we uh an email from the manufacturing division that they have basically a voice recognition chip already developed. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 308.6 308.99 Hmm. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 308.7 309.26 Says 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 310.36 311.61 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 311.61 318.87 It says that ri right now they just use it to uh to record uh answers to particular questions. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 318.87 320.67 But I guess it could be 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 319.76 321.67 And could it be adapted? 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 322.66 328.99 I mean instead of recording the answers you can just uh record uh something simpler like a command. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 321.89 322.66 I guess it's possible. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 328.12 331.05 Okay and there can uh recognize some commands and stuff? 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 330.56 336.24 Yeah you reco recognize commands and you can record new commands and stuff, so if they already have it as uh as a chip 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 334.73 335.19 Okay. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 337.25 337.55 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 337.4 338.33 then we we could use it. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 338.71 346.43 Okay maybe we can just uh listen to this presentation and then take decision later on according to those news. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 344.11 344.46 Okay. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 344.45 345.45 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 345.45 350.9 Yeah but I think it's yeah Sorry, I haven't written my personal references. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 350.9 356.8 Um the I I just want to mention the the problem of the the r 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 358.08 364.74 wheels sensor which is much more expensive than any push button, and if we could reduce that. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 362.42 362.8 Okay. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 365.64 374.8 We we have already some good things uh with um um with the backlight of the push button. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 365.71 365.94 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 375.27 377.68 I have a question about that actually. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 377.68 380.52 Um, what is the purpose of the light? 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 381.81 389.3 Just to to make something which is uh slightly more design that uh a squarey box with a rubber 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 386.81 387.12 Is 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 387.81 390.71 You can easily find the button in the dark or so? 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 389.54 390.13 But 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 390.71 392.88 But in th in the dark uh 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 394 396.47 Yeah but is going to be always turned on, the light? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 397.97 403.17 It will be turned on when the when the user move the remote control I think, no? 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 403.04 405.22 But if you move it then you have it, you don't need to find it. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 405.63 406.05 Hmm. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 407.73 410 You can see the buttons better, of course. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 410 410.27 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 409.65 410.92 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 410.92 411.2 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 412.52 413.24 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 413.24 413.55 True. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 414.88 415.23 Actually. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 414.51 414.88 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 415.02 420.3 But if you move it then you have to have some sensor to when you move it to detect your movement. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 422.1 425.55 As soon as you thought to move the the remote control you have the light. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 426.3 428.35 Yeah, but you need another sensor for that, right? 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 429.09 429.92 Yeah. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 429.92 430.28 Again. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 430.35 433.49 Yeah no it's too expensive. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 437.36 449.34 I don't think that this is really expensive, but at the end this is plenty of unexpen eh very cheap devices but uh the bill starts to be 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 439.26 439.59 Okay. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 441.91 442.11 Mm. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 445.55 445.93 Yeah, okay. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 444.74 445.55 Extra. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 447.22 447.36 Mm. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 449.41 454.17 Yeah, but I expected also the wheel would be cheap but you tell me that it is very expensive so, yeah. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 464.18 467.34 when you want to turn off your device 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 453.5 464.18 First of all I was thinking to have a a continuous light and you w when t you you you you press the on button you have the light on your remote control 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 461.9 462 Mm. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 464.23 464.56 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 466.69 469.87 But it can be uh battery consuming, no? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 471.52 472.94 To have the light always on? 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 471.6 473.06 Yeah, a little bit. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 474.33 474.97 A little bit. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 474.53 474.8 Mm. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 475.54 477.87 Well we will discuss that after maybe 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 478.16 478.31 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 478.38 479.23 Okay. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 479.23 483.61 So uh my one, it uh should be in the shared folder. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 479.19 480.4 the other presentations. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 484.07 484.35 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 484.22 484.28 So. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 486.12 487.03 It was last time I saw it. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 490.26 491.04 And it is. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 496.58 496.93 Okay. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 501.4 504.72 So, just move to the next slide. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 502.16 502.63 Okay. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 511.08 513.32 That's the major idea, as simple as possible. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 506.22 511.08 So basically want very simple, right? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 512.69 513.47 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 513.47 513.7 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 526.13 531.22 And in our case we just uh reject the buttons what we don't need and it become even simpler. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 521.34 526.13 And let's look at two of them because uh th even though they have many buttons they look quite simple. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 514.3 521.34 So I just look at some current designs uh on the web, of usually more complicated remote controls. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 530.12 530.5 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 532.24 533.02 Um. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 533.02 533.15 So. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 536 539.92 Because it was uh th your wrist problem with the usage. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 533.12 536 And also does it uh fit well in hand? 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 538.99 543.55 Well this these uh these remotes are quite big, so go to the next page, so. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 537.99 538.99 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 545.07 548.89 We have all these buttons as you can see, but most of them, we just need the ones in the middle. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 547.02 547.41 Yeah. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 549.67 549.99 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 549.76 550 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 567.22 567.96 These are the basic thing. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 560.44 567.22 So it's basically more or less how we would like it, with a big volume control, big channel control, and mute and power, yeah? 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 550.02 556.39 So, from the bottom or whatever is there, uh the uh the numbers and then the top,
IS1001c H02 MIO012 556.39 560.44 uh until the ten also, this middle part, and on the left one is exactly the same. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 553.64 553.85 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 558.88 559.04 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 568.14 569.74 So it's only the central part. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 567.03 568.14 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 570 574.16 So basically, w software we will build will look more or less the same as these two. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 574.47 574.74 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 574.74 580.05 With a maybe a more ergonomic design on on the bottom part. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 589.4 592.16 Because we don't have these input buttons and this other stuff that they have. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 579.78 585.48 for example I think that the volume and the buttons that are there on the top are not very easy to reach with your thumb. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 588.46 589.4 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 585.48 588.46 It could be on the right side, for example. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 579.08 579.78 Yeah, if you have 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 585.58 585.87 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 588.05 588.51 Okay. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 592.74 596.67 And I think that the plastic cover is not very good uh idea because 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 595.41 595.77 Okay. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 597.29 601.04 you open it, it can break, you ca you can do various things. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 601.04 606.07 Uh you just need to put the channel numbers somewhere a bit out of the way. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 601.14 602.34 Okay. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 602.34 602.5 S 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 607.8 609.6 Will be down or Okay. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 607.05 607.8 Okay. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 607.72 610.26 So that they're separate a bit, yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 610.26 617.15 Uh and it's easy to press the other the big buttons, but uh, it's not that difficult to press the the channel buttons either. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 618.27 619.49 Mm. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 619.49 622.52 Yeah, I think that if you put the cover it will be even more difficult for the user. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 622.76 623.27 Okay. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 627.24 632.2 Usually what I have noticed that people put the plastic cover on things that you normally don't mess with 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 636.46 637.05 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 625.15 627.24 Alright, you won't yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 637.05 638.07 That you want to protect a bit. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 632.2 636.46 like buttons for t uh tuning the channels and stuff like that. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 634.71 635.25 Okay. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 639.6 641.34 And I think it's uh it's reasonable. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 642.04 642.46 Okay. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 642.86 643.84 So, I don't think 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 645.16 647.66 Yeah, this is just the the wheel. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 647.66 652.63 We could use the some wheels can be pushed down, could use the push down of the wheel for the record if we want. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 647.8 648.05 Mm. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 653.41 653.75 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 654.19 663.13 Uh so we could just basically use one just wheel and uh user could use just the wheel to do everything with the channels in that case. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 661 661.28 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 664.23 668.93 Maybe the wheel will be a good advantage over our competitors. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 669.71 669.99 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 670.79 674.47 Because otherwise it's pretty standard apart the fact that it's very simple. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 675.97 684.13 So maybe it's worse to uh to have more expense on that's that aspect. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 680.57 680.96 To s 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 684.47 684.81 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 685.45 688.3 Yeah, I guess the market researcher will tell us all about that. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 689.17 689.54 Okay. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 695.32 696.3 For 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 691.13 695.32 So we can move to the Is there any question? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 697.49 699.79 designer of user interface? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 699.79 704.2 or we can move to the next part, maybe, and discuss afterwards? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 714.18 714.64 Okay. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 714.38 715.43 Okay, I can go? 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 716.49 717.26 Can I? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 716.77 716.94 Yeah. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 719.47 727.91 So now the recent investigation we we have done fo of the remote control um. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 738.17 745.88 And um the second aspect is uh that the remote control should be uh technological innovative. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 728.45 738.17 So, the most important aspect for remote controls is to be fancy look and feel and not current functional look and feel. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 746.64 754.1 And the third most important aspect is to to is that the co remote control should be easy to use. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 746.76 747.2 Okay. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 762.3 762.78 Yeah. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 762.78 766.03 And um so you you can go 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 754.77 762.3 So, are things we are we have uh speak about before. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 761.32 761.67 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 761.86 762.1 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 766.63 766.81 Yeah. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 767.06 767.47 after. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 775.95 781.65 uh fruits and vegetables will be the most important theme for clothes, shoes, and furnitures. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 769.59 775.95 And there is a fashion watchers in Paris and Milan that have detected the following trends,
IS1001c H03 FIO074 782.35 792.94 So, maybe if our remote control have to be a fruit form or vegetable form something like that, or 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 791.65 792.17 Okay. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 793.03 794.01 I support an apple. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 794.16 799.42 And the mm the material is expected to be spongy. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 800.82 806.48 Uh I don't know which material can be spongy, and if you 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 805.16 805.36 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 806.6 808.88 This is good also for 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 807.11 813.97 Well, wou wou I think we can certainly just put the electronics in a spongy thing, it it would work, right? 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 813.97 814.21 Yeah. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 812.66 812.83 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 818.99 820.61 Yeah, because it's robust. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 813.64 814.49 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 814.49 818.99 I think it is good also f to have a spongy material, yeah. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 813.68 813.95 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 813.7 813.87 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 817.21 818.68 You can throw it to the television. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 819.37 821.55 Okay It's robust, yeah. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 820.29 820.62 Me too. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 819.96 820.29 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 822.97 826.94 We could say that if you throw it, you have a sensor, and you throw it and hits the television and turns it off. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 821.58 822.97 Hey that's a cool one. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 829.63 830.82 When it d uh takes a shock. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 831.63 833.34 Not good. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 831.8 834.14 Yeah uh sorry? 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 833.18 835.79 I know that they do that for alarm clock also. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 832.22 833.18 Ah it's okay. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 839.53 845.35 You ca uh you can go uh before, before, yes. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 845.35 855.23 And you know here the more iz important aspect is the fancy look and feel, after is uh technological innovative, and after the easy to use. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 835.39 839.53 An and and uh this uh you can yeah you can say that. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 835.76 836.03 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 840.9 841.16 No. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 841.91 842.03 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 843.99 844.35 Before? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 850.58 850.88 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 853.36 853.6 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 855.43 861.66 I think it's innovative to use the mm the wheel because I think no one else has. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 861.66 862.11 Has it? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 854.87 855.43 Yeah. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 859.64 859.79 Yeah. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 859.91 865.21 Yeah that's why Yeah that's why I think we have to keep that if it's possible. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 865.25 865.8 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 865.8 871.28 I think it's it makes it both easy and both innos innovative. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 871.28 874.66 So I think it's a good aspect and it should be kept. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 865.94 866.21 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 871.75 871.86 Mm. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 870.73 871.75 Innovative. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 874.18 876.56 How do we make it look cool is the question. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 877.56 878.82 Cool, fancy? 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 879.17 879.66 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 880.2 885.61 We have to make it l look like a fruit or vegetable. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 884.8 887.63 Yeah. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 887.63 887.71 Mm. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 886.48 893.24 Maybe uh um a colour that remember some fruit uh, things like that. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 886.6 888.78 What about um 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 890.58 891.39 Oh, colour, yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 893.32 894.93 Well the obvious thing is a banana, I guess. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 893.87 895.76 Oh i i 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 895.76 898.34 Maybe yeah. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 899.88 905.74 You know the pear, is like that and it's it's easy to to have in in hand and uh 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 898.05 899.88 I thought about a a pear, for example. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 903.64 906.1 Yeah, and it's ergonomic as well. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 906.2 906.47 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 907.83 908.49 A pear. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 907.98 909.18 The banana is also ergonomic. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 910.56 912.54 Maybe pear yeah or something like that. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 910.13 910.56 Yeah. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 912.65 914.23 Or a fruit like that. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 914.23 914.72 I dunno. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 914.8 915.67 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 916.56 918.65 D D Is is there anything you want to add? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 915.67 916.56 We can discuss that uh. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 919 920.63 Is there any fruit that is spongy? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 921.9 924.25 I don't think so. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 924.25 930.13 I think we we can have like yeah a pear is good, fit well, or banana as you told. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 929.71 932.13 Yeah. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 931.89 936.53 And for maybe look and feel, what about a a piece of ice, 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 932.09 932.66 Something like that. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 937.97 939.92 with blue L. E. D. inside? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 940.58 942.29 But that's not in the trend. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 942.29 945.04 The trend is spongy, and vegetable fruits. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 940.86 942.01 You can make it um 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 942.07 942.32 Yeah. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 944.01 944.3 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 945.04 946.34 It's not hard, the metal. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 946.55 947.75 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 946.84 952.77 I think p spongy is good because it it will be robust as well. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 947.49 948.41 Plastic. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 953.08 953.36 Yep. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 954.35 956.61 So, I think we can keep the wheel 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 967.66 973.13 so, a fruit like pear or banana wit uh any others idea you have. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 957.82 967.66 because it's uh easy, it's innovative, even if the cost is a bit higher, and we also have to find a,
IS1001c H01 MIO020 958.45 958.67 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 977.12 984.97 What kind of fr fruit would you like to to control your T. V. with? 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 990.7 991.02 Mm. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 994.14 994.34 Odi 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 994.18 995.95 Banana I think, it's a nice idea. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 996.42 1001.81 Banana is also yellow so you you can't lost your remote control then. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 997.14 997.66 Because 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 998.97 999.21 But 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 1001.26 1002.13 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1001.83 1002.18 Yeah. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1002.9 1010.08 You y you don't use the banana when the banana is curving like that, but when the banana is curving like that,
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1010.08 1016.36 with the wheel on the top and to control, and here you have a a push button to 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1005.73 1006.54 Two of the button, yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1009.52 1010.01 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1011.49 1011.93 Yeah. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 1013.73 1015.45 But you don't have 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1017.24 1018.77 I think it's a good idea, yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1020.2 1025.11 and you move uh your hand here to press the buttons and then you move uh on the other side. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1017.33 1020.2 Yeah so you can just have uh just have this curve, yeah 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1025.11 1028.48 So you can have it on on two sides and it'll be cool, no? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1025 1025.33 Yeah. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1025.59 1025.78 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1029.24 1033.78 I think it's a good design and it's innovative as well then. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1028.52 1029.24 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1033.78 1035.15 Maybe we can keep the banana. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1035.15 1037.26 And it will be very easy to find. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1037.3 1038.72 You can put also vibrator inside. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1037.32 1039.84 And everybody knows what is a banana. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1040.88 1045.42 If you if you start with uh fancy fruits and fra s and tha 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1039.84 1040.88 Basically. 
IS1001c H03 FIO074 1039.64 1040.4 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1052.94 1053.66 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1044.79 1052.94 You can also take into account the fact that the banana fits with the colour scheme of our company. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1044.05 1044.79 Ah-ha. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1051.08 1054.1 Oh, yeah 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1051.11 1051.38 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1052.98 1056.59 Yeah it's really uh really a good point. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1056.52 1064.86 I hope the students of management die, but anyway. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1067.73 1068.85 Now who are recording this meeting? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1070.6 1072.94 I think it So 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1074.11 1075.28 One second. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1082.01 1085.07 So we have to take some decision on this aspect. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1085.07 1088.17 So, uh so for 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1089.78 1094.2 sorry, for uh component, so 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1095.81 1096.22 So 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1096.5 1098.73 we have to think about those aspects, sorry. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1099.64 1102.19 So we will just use a a standard battery? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1102.76 1103.11 Yeah. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1103.68 1110.02 And uh the chip we chip imprint we know exactly which one we are going to use. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1110.02 1111.5 Uh what do you mean by case? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1112.3 1116.8 I think it's the box that should be spongy, banana's shape. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1115.82 1116.04 Yeah. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1116.93 1122.59 Uh I mean for me if we use a a spongy banana case, doesn't matter. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1122.59 1130.58 I just want to have so something to prin to to fix my my components onto that box, and that's it. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1123.96 1124.41 The only th 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1126.44 1126.76 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1144.85 1147.07 So, it's going to be bend a lot. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1144.11 1144.85 right? 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1129.89 1132.53 Y Yeah that can be in inside th in the structure. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1132.53 1144.11 But uh the thing is that the buttons and the wheel have to be I mean if it's spongy then the buttons and the wheel have to I mean if it's spongy then it's going to move 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1131.67 1132.28 Yeah yeah. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1132.28 1132.49 Yeah. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1137.95 1139.53 Spongy also. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1148.25 1150.86 So if we try to push the buttons, it You think it's possible? 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1148.64 1149.99 Oh no I think it's possible. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1148.66 1149.12 But 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1150.49 1156.16 No the button would be In fact it it should be something odd shaped, with a spongy cover. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1154.79 1154.99 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1156.32 1156.73 Okay. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1156.33 1157.09 Yeah. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1157.09 1158.26 This is uh like the 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1157.96 1158.19 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1162.26 1164.52 Okay odd shape with spongy 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1167.98 1172.05 And standard battery okay, a chip imprint, there's no specific problem. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1172.05 1174.03 So we agree to put the wheel 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1165.72 1167.98 cover. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1174.07 1174.42 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1181.58 1183.82 Button, where do we want some buttons? 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1179.47 1181.58 Wheel on the top. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1185.01 1189.85 Well, usually hold 'Kay, we want it to be good also for the left-hand users, right? 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1190.31 1190.69 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1192.28 1193.23 Uh 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1192.36 1194.53 So it have to it has to be symmetrical. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1208.97 1213.7 Or you could use use this one, but I don't know if it's very comfortable, to use this one for the wheel. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1195.89 1196.89 Yeah but okay. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1207.99 1208.97 Basically. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1202.47 1207.99 one on ths this side where is the thumb and the other side where there is uh yeah also the thumb. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1196.89 1202.47 Sa let's say that th o It has to be basically you can only take two sides 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1207.64 1207.82 Yep. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1206.44 1207.64 Yep. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1212.83 1215.08 Yeah maybe the thumb is more comfortable. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1217.35 1218.99 Should have the two sides. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1215.08 1217.35 This for the wheel and then this for the buttons? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1220.4 1220.63 Mm. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1217.03 1220.4 Yeah I think it's okay for both right and left. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1220.31 1220.73 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1221.17 1223.15 So if the left, we have 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1224.47 1224.76 the op 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1225.27 1227.32 I think you can turn it this way also. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1228.72 1231.05 You can do both with both hands. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1228.95 1231.59 Wheel Wheel buttons. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1231.59 1235.38 Yeah, the problem is if you have buttons and wheel then when you turn it around, the buttons are on the other side. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1231.94 1232.57 I think it's okay. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1236.47 1237.39 So you cannot see them. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1238.6 1241.78 Well, you you will get used to it. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1241.78 1251.29 And moreover, th the button ar are lighted so you you immediately identify the right side, because you have light on buttons. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1239.57 1239.81 Yeah. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1242.05 1244.66 So the buttons have to be here and the wheel has to be 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1249.92 1250.19 Y 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1255.38 1260 and the buttons are here, then when you turn it around the buttons will be on the other side. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1251.36 1255.38 Yeah I know, but uh if you hold with your left hand, and the wheel is here,
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1256.59 1256.81 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1260.58 1267.5 No you you I think you will use it only on the right or left hand, whether you are righty or lefty. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1268.91 1270.84 I think for lefty it's okay. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1270.84 1273.29 I can do this movement, and for righty as well. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1275.85 1277.69 I think this doesn't change that much. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1279.52 1279.9 Okay. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1281.06 1281.31 Yeah? 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1283.24 1283.58 Maybe. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1282.58 1283.24 Okay. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1285.22 1285.41 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1287 1296.24 So, for interface we said also that we have uh this banana shape with button on the s on the side. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1298.28 1298.81 And 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1300.9 1302.58 and uh a wheel on the top. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1302.9 1303.23 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1303.91 1304.1 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1311.97 1313.82 So the colour is yellow. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1315.46 1319.2 I think it's uh we defined everything according to 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1320.56 1324.05 what we should what the decision we should take, yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1326.04 1327.91 So maybe we can um 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1337.08 1341.19 So have the final uh look and feel design according to the decision. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1329.22 1337.08 we can uh work on those aspects uh until next meeting. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1343.27 1349.55 And have the the user interface design and uh then evaluate the prodyuc the product. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1351.34 1364.25 That is to say, uh check if it fit the the requirement uh given by the users, but according to uh your presentation it seems to be okay. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1364.25 1368.16 It seems to be fancy, innovative, and easy to use. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1370.14 1370.47 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1370.84 1371.42 So 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1372.48 1373.23 so 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1382.74 1383.56 That would uh 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1374.39 1382.74 to prepare the prototype I would suggest that the Industrial Designer and the User Interface Designer uh work together. 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1385.3 1385.62 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1385.48 1386.65 be better, I think. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1388.47 1389.52 And uh 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1390.6 1391.69 And so uh 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1392.95 1395.97 you will receive further instruction by emails, as usual. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1397.27 1397.86 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1397.86 1398.42 Yes master. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1397.82 1402.56 So do you need to add anything? 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1403.3 1403.57 No. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1404.52 1405.45 You feel okay? 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1405.96 1406.22 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1410.09 1412.2 You don't feel too constrained? 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1406.53 1410.09 You feel uh free to express what you want to say? 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1409.75 1410.08 Yeah. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1414.03 1417.77 You don't feel free to answer this? 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1414.52 1414.61 No. 
IS1001c H02 MIO012 1417.52 1421.99 Maybe you can make uh uh mm okay. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1418.89 1424.16 Okay, so 
IS1001c H01 MIO020 1424.7 1425.37 Thank you. 
IS1001c H00 MIO043 1425.52 1425.94 See you. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 5.59 6.75 Okay. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 11.61 22.02 Je croix que c'est dommage de le it will be sad to destroy this prototype. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 22.02 24.59 It really looks like a banana. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 24.75 25.77 It is a banana. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 26.33 28.38 It is a banana. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 26.82 28.22 It is the essence of bananas. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 33.28 34.36 I would be confused with this thing. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 46.23 46.46 Mm. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 46.69 47.09 S 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 47.67 49.21 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 54.35 58.37 So we are here for the detailed design meeting. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 52.16 54.35 Hi. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 47.81 52.16 Okay. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 49.46 50.25 How is everyone? 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 53.14 53.46 Hi. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 59.77 60.25 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 59.86 67.58 So we will uh I will first present what we are going to do in this meeting. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 68.88 69.23 Then 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 98.76 101.95 Then we will uh evaluate the product. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 92.69 98.76 And uh then we will see the financial aspects and the cost of the product. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 70.52 78.9 uh I've I will also take notes during this meeting and I will send you uh a summary then as usual. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 78.9 92.69 We will then look at the evaluation criteria of the prototype presented by uh our two colleagues that make good work. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 102.74 104.49 And uh end 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 106.29 110.03 with the conclusion of this project and see whether it fits 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 111.22 115.12 with it fulf if it fulfil the requirement or not. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 115.99 116.38 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 116.44 129 So d let's start with the cost aspect so so I look at the aspect discussed last time, that is to say uh to have a standard battery,
IS1001d H00 MIO043 129 139.53 to have a yellow banana shaped uh case with uh a rubber material around it to be uh to feel spongy, 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 138.4 139.27 Like a banana. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 152.74 158.63 So which is uh good, because we had a price gap of twelve point five Euros. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 140.91 148.69 and uh also at the different aspect like having a wheel etcetera. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 148.69 152.74 And the cost ended to be ten point seven Euros. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 146.93 147.18 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 159.1 159.44 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 159.88 168.71 So for the financial aspect it's okay, we can uh we can continue with this product uh as if 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 168.71 174.72 and we are now going to see the project evaluation with uh our marketing expert. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 176.71 177.85 Okay. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 175.24 176.71 Yeah. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 177.85 182.24 So uh you can have my project in 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 180.92 181.38 Yeah. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 182.58 183.75 You have a presentation? 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 183.71 184.91 Uh yeah just a 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 187.72 188.44 Four. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 187.81 189.79 Participant four, yes. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 191.22 191.95 Evaluation. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 192.38 192.77 Okay. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 196.4 196.9 Okay. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 200 200.8 We can go through. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 196.98 197.3 Okay. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 197.3 200 So you can go. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 201.2 201.92 Okay. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 216.87 224.89 So you can go through and okay so uh we have uh six points. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 224.89 225.34 We 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 202.82 216.87 So I made an evaluation and the the evaluation criteria is made according to the users' requirements and the market trends we talked about uh during the previous uh meetings. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 220.04 220.51 Okay. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 244.88 248.6 So I go through all the uh all the points here,
IS1001d H03 FIO074 258.06 258.99 Okay? 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 236.68 244.15 and robust, uh and uh uh I have a scale of uh seven points. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 248.6 258.06 and uh according to what you think about the this project you can uh mm make a one point, two point or seven point. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 228.15 236.68 So we we want to have a product fancy look and feel, technologically innovative, easy to use, fashion, easy to find in a room,
IS1001d H03 FIO074 226.5 228.15 we talked about before. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 258.99 261.76 And after we ha we have an an average, and uh we see. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 244.15 244.88 Okay. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 228.14 228.71 Okay. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 237.86 238.25 Yeah. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 237.94 238.26 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 243.99 244.3 Yeah. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 248.4 248.69 Yeah. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 258.63 259.02 Okay. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 262.54 262.87 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 262.55 262.95 Okay. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 265.05 268.83 Uh so uh fancy look and feel, what do you think? 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 268.83 270.63 F between o one and seven. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 262.87 265.05 The okay? 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 272.32 274.66 Maybe hold it. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 268.41 272.32 Maybe you can presen okay. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 280.39 280.88 What do you think? 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 267.86 268.41 Okay. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 274.66 280.39 So I think it's uh very uh very nice. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 280.26 282.02 I give it a I give it a five. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 283.32 283.66 Yeah. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 286.79 288.61 Seven is the highest uh? 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 284.88 286.79 So it's between one and seven? 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 288.61 289.87 I will give a six. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 286.32 286.51 Yeah. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 287.54 289.22 Seven is the 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 291.12 293.05 I will give a a five. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 293.57 294.14 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 296.14 297.06 sorry. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 296.32 298.27 And you? 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 298.27 300.07 Do you vote uh Christine? 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 300.07 301.45 Do you also vote? 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 301.83 304.7 No, I just want to see something 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 298.07 301.83 eh? 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 310.44 312.89 Maybe we all have to agree on a common 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 313.68 315.39 Well, we can very easily. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 315.57 315.7 Yeah. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 315.58 316.2 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 320.61 326.89 Uh I think uh and need to as well. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 327.22 328.55 No problem. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 328.55 329.78 So this is your 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 328.31 331.53 Need to uh I don't know if you we ha we have to put uh one uh f 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 332.53 333.88 If it's better or 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 344.39 346.05 One is most. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 344.4 344.61 I 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 345.83 346.06 Uh-uh. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 349.56 350.21 Um. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 349.64 352.24 Well, we can choose what we want. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 352.24 354.44 Okay, let's say that seven is the best. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 352.32 359.54 Or maybe we can say s seven is the best mm. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 351.41 352.32 Yeah. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 356.4 356.7 Okay. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 367.13 369.24 And what what's your choice? 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 357.69 367.13 So so do note the grade we have five, six for me, five. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 369.24 373.41 How much would you give on the fancy aspect, on the fashionable aspect? 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 365.48 365.89 Five. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 369.07 369.79 Six 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 367.36 369.07 Oh sorry. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 372.07 375.2 Uh s you can how much what? 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 375.32 378.71 How much would you you don't answer to this uh questionnaire? 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 377.86 382.36 Oh yes I mm I dunno mm, I think six, it's a good uh 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 382.46 384.2 So it will have five point five average. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 383.85 385.27 Five point five average. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 386.39 391.3 Wa can. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 393.62 395.45 I sorry. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 385.29 386.39 Yeah. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 391.3 393.62 Okay. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 386.45 386.76 Okay. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 386.45 386.75 Mm. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 392.77 393.6 Well, does it 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 400.06 402.15 So after, the technological aspect? 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 399.45 400.06 Okay. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 404.32 406.69 Okay, techne technological aspect. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 407 414.08 So we we said uh we have uh a new technological uh thing with a wheel. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 414.34 416.17 Yeah, we have the wheel. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 416.17 418.44 We also have the rubber material, 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 415.82 416.17 Uh. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 419.56 420.91 which make it uh 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 422.76 423.21 like 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 426.03 427.61 I think I would give a five. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 424.37 426.03 new also. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 428.3 429.15 It's four. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 429.59 429.84 Four? 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 434.75 435.74 The rubber is 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 429.69 434.75 A four also, because, except for the wheel, we don't have so much innovation. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 431.21 431.44 Yeah. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 436.07 436.48 Okay. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 441.29 442.25 No. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 442.25 442.5 Okay. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 440.82 441.29 Huh? 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 436.39 440.82 D are we including the voice are you glu are we including the voice in the end or not? 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 437.06 437.69 I I 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 436.72 437.06 Uh a four. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 440.68 440.99 No. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 448.26 450.43 So we have four, four f and five? 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 443.86 447.32 So what's your uh grade? 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 447.32 448.26 Four? 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 444.46 444.64 No. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 446.58 446.85 Four. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 451.97 453.89 Everyone is okay or four poin 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 450.27 451.97 We can put four? 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 450.8 451.63 Yeah. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 451.63 452.49 For twenty five. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 451.67 452.23 Yeah, four. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 453.3 455.01 Four, yeah, let's put four. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 454.64 454.97 Four. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 455.31 455.45 Yeah. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 457.52 458.59 Okay. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 458.66 459.67 Doesn't it 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 462.52 464.64 Do you think it's easy to use? 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 461.53 462.52 Very easy to use. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 465.38 465.58 Yeah. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 465.44 467.42 Yeah, I think so. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 467.42 469.36 Yeah. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 474.43 475.69 It's very easy to use. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 469.36 474.43 I would give a I would give a seven as well. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 465.86 466.91 I give a seven, I think. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 467.44 467.94 Six. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 475.8 477.37 Mm, six for me also. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 476.04 476.51 Six. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 478.2 480 So six point five. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 480.92 481.46 Okay. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 478.24 480.92 Six point five. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 478.33 478.73 'Kay. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 479.25 480.6 Six six six point five. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 481.38 481.83 Okay. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 487.71 489.44 Seven? 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 482.94 487.71 Is it fashion? 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 485.94 489.13 Oh yeah, its its f its fruit fruit shape. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 490.71 492.92 And is very very nice design. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 489.13 490.71 I would say seven. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 491.9 496.53 Yeah it's fashion, because it's a fruit, and we say that the yeah, seven. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 495.54 495.77 Yeah. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 493.89 495.54 Yeah, we can we can put a seven here. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 495.83 496.76 Yeah, seven. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 496.61 496.7 Yeah. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 496.7 497.29 Seven, okay. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 496.68 497.13 Yeah. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 497.65 498.79 Well, we hope. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 499.13 500.9 Easy to find. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 499.42 505.85 Uh easy to find in a room? 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 501.75 505.88 I lost my banana. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 506.13 507.61 I think you can't miss it. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 507.74 508.72 Yeah. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 509.2 509.44 Yeah? 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 509.35 509.72 Okay. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 509.72 510.54 Uh. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 511.91 513.39 I think we can put a six here. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 510.16 511.91 Yeah, I think it's cool. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 513.42 515.53 We have the lightning, or 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 516.9 521.7 Yeah, we have the we don't sesh especially have the lightning but 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 516.99 517.55 The lighting. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 519.77 524.2 So you'll make the material transparent so that it uh lights up completely, or 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 525.46 526.04 It's okay. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 524.48 525.46 So it's yellow. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 530.2 531.16 It's hard to miss it. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 526.04 530.2 I think it's very easy to I would say seven. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 525.44 526.87 Yeah. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 528.02 528.42 Seven? 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 529.9 532.15 Six. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 532.15 533.17 Yeah, okay. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 532.45 532.66 Yeah. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 532.66 534.02 Is it is it robust? 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 535.22 543.3 Yeah, it's rubber, made of rubber, I think it's m it's uh more rubber than uh other remote control. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 535.54 537.57 Uh f yeah, it's ru it's rubber. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 541.91 542.98 Yeah. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 542.71 548.6 Yeah the only problem there might be which know, i if it's very sensitive, they will, I don't know 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 547.19 548.87 Yeah. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 552.66 554.16 So maybe we can put a six. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 548.87 552.66 But it is uh it is surrounded by rubber material. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 547.97 548.21 Yeah. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 551.55 552.41 Yeah, okay. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 551.99 552.29 Yeah. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 554.79 555.04 Yeah. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 554.92 555.1 Mm. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 555.28 558.35 Everybody is okay, six. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 557.94 558.49 Five. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 556.29 557.94 Six or five. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 558.46 559.34 Six is okay? 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 558.72 560.04 Six, yeah, for me. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 559.77 560.22 Six. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 559.78 560.96 Yeah. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 560.96 562.23 Okay. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 562.23 565.75 S now um so. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 561.52 561.79 Yeah. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 561.78 562.05 Yeah. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 563.65 564.46 Tadada. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 566.44 567.78 We have to sum up everything. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 566.61 567.66 Twenty. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 567.05 574.75 Thirteen uh, twenty, twenty six point five, uh seven, thirty two, thirty six. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 574.75 575.86 That's that's okay? 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 572.37 573.27 Thirty. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 573.27 573.45 Thir 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 578.04 578.42 Six. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 580.32 582.19 Six is a good 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 580.6 580.84 Okay. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 581.91 582.78 Good. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 582.78 590.95 Uh if we say that seven it's uh it's the better, and when uh s six sit six are good it's a good uh p product, I think. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 585.64 586.46 Yeah, the top 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 585.79 586.37 Yeah, the be. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 587.91 589.49 Okay, so six is a 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 588.11 588.38 Mm. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 590.35 591.54 So will become eight soon? 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 594.7 596.01 It's very promising. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 592.16 594.7 So it's a good evaluation, I think. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 596.21 600.94 Yeah, well it's a bit biased. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 599.8 602.05 We have a good price and uh. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 600.22 600.37 Huh. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 602.47 602.85 Yeah. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 604.11 604.51 Okay. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 604.15 604.6 Good. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 604.52 607.51 So this prototype is quite nice. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 615.47 622.58 uh quite big also, and they were selling something like a hundred Euros, two hundred Euros. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 607.78 615.47 Because I saw uh some phones that were banana shaped, uh wireless phones not mobile ones, wireless for the house,
IS1001d H00 MIO043 611.49 611.73 Yeah. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 614.29 614.66 Okay. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 623.78 625.63 Just a just a phone, wireless. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 625.33 625.65 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 625.41 630.57 So having this at twenty five Euros is uh quite attractive, I think. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 630.2 630.54 Yeah. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 632.05 632.91 I think the 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 632.33 638.39 But almo also the complexity between a phone and a remote control is not cannot compare. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 638.66 640.22 Yeah, it's much more complex, but 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 637.49 638.66 Yeah. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 639.04 639.4 Yeah. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 641.88 645.73 So, I think, we can summarise. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 658.66 667.58 We we have the cost below uh our threshold and so we could sell at twenty five Euros and make i make profit. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 645.73 647.37 So we have seen the prototype. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 654.04 658.66 The the the financial aspect were okay. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 647.37 654.04 It's very nice according to the work of our two designer. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 668.73 675.08 The the evaluation give satisfying result as well. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 675.08 678.29 So I think we can move to the last part of the meeting. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 680.8 692.7 So the cost is in the budget, the evaluation is okay, so I th I think we can now uh open champagne and make a huge party. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 692.7 700.16 I don't know if it's provided by uh by the meeting staff. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 700.16 702.06 Okay so congratulation. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 689.98 694.22 Start to eat banana. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 698.69 699.09 Mm-hmm. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 699.62 700.09 Okay. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 702.9 704.53 Congratulations to the team. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 704.53 706.82 Uh very well, we worked together fantastically. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 703.12 703.33 Yeah. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 703.13 704.25 Nice product. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 706.76 706.96 Yeah. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 708.2 710.81 I think it was a good collaboration uh. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 711.68 714.07 So what does the management say? 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 711.99 712.51 Aspect. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 715.6 715.94 Sorry? 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 716.01 717.7 What does the management say? 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 717.98 723.24 I think we will have um much bigger project next time and a much bigger salary as well. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 723.48 723.81 Ah. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 724.93 732.16 All it depends on who watch this meeting. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 732.16 733.39 We don't know. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 730.64 732.6 Yeah. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 733.17 733.47 Yeah. 
IS1001d H00 MIO043 734.64 743.64 Okay, so good guys, so see you for next uh successful project. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 735.14 735.45 Okay. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 738.75 739.44 Okay. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 743.35 743.99 Fruits. 
IS1001d H01 MIO020 742.68 743.35 Yeah. 
IS1001d H03 FIO074 744.61 744.81 Mm 'kay. 
IS1001d H02 MIO012 751.73 751.76 Mm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 91.24 92.51 So 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 93.73 97.61 we are here to talk about functional design. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 97.61 104.87 Now hopefully we've all got a better idea from than we did f leaving the last meeting as to what it is we are up to now. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 107.62 109.13 Uh I'll open. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 112.54 119.75 as I was struggling to our last time uh and that'll be easier for me now because I'm not actually giving the whole presentation. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 119.75 127.56 Uh the additional points are just the stuff that we sent and that I forwarded on from upper management having a few bright ideas to make our lives painful. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 105.79 107.62 So here's an agenda. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 109.13 112.54 Um you should know that I'll be taking minutes during all the meetings 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 138.35 140.84 Right, forty minutes for this meeting, so a bit more time than the last one. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 128.03 132.65 Um now you can all give your presentations. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 132.65 138.35 We can talk about the requirements and hopefully come to some decisions. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 141.94 146.46 Here's the additional points I just wanted to put those in there to see if you guys had any comments 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 147.76 148.19 on them. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 149.43 150.9 Uh did you all receive that email? 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 151.33 151.63 Yep. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 151.36 151.68 Yeah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 152.1 153.96 So does anyone have any overall 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 166.84 172.34 people are very comfortable with the idea of having teletext and using teletext 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 156.36 166.84 Well uh what comes up for me is that if we're gonna if we're gonna be marketing a product that is going to be uh having no teletext 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 172.34 178.58 and so we're not we're gonna be a new product without something that people are very comfortable having right now. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 161.57 161.87 Mm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 167.06 167.2 Mm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 172.04 172.39 Yep. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 186.29 189.64 What are we gonna have that makes this thing better than 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 183.92 186.29 And so we have to go, I think, in the other direction. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 178.97 183.92 So that's, from a marketing perspective I I see I see a lack. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 180.8 181.07 Mm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 189.08 194.12 Well tha that first point could uh also be an op opportunity because in seeing that teletext is becoming outdated,
IS1002b H00 MIE080 194.12 198.85 some sort remote control that can work with the Internet there is the opportunity that's presented, I guess. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 213.15 215.04 So that's that's that was my reactions. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 198.82 200.09 No, I I agree with you. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 205.49 213.15 what are we gonna be targeting our market uh that identifies our product as better than because it doesn't have teletext it has ta-ta-ta-ta-ta. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 200.09 205.49 So what I'm talking about is I see that one side we're eliminating something so we have to come up with another side which is 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 197.53 198.61 Right. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 198.61 198.82 Yeah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 200.33 200.75 Okay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 213.3 213.61 Okay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 228.54 228.72 Yeah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 215.09 215.36 Yeah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 219.03 220.55 So we're quite fixed. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 215.36 219.03 but but we are sort of being dictated that this should only be for the television. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 220.55 228.54 So we're really probably, in terms of marketing, are looking for that's uh that's a cost winner rather than a fantastic new feature product. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 218.15 218.39 Yeah yeah. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 220.39 220.53 Yep. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 232.63 236.45 So uh we're gonna be removing the teletext out of any T. V. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 228.03 232.63 Yeah bu but we we're designing only the remote, we not design the T. V. . 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 228.26 228.57 Okay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 232.29 232.51 Hmm. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 237.3 237.81 Yeah. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 237.81 238.02 'Kay. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 237.31 239.29 that we people use our remote with. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 239.57 240.13 That's right. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 240.13 241.07 I think we take with you. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 239.92 240.14 Hmm. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 240.32 242.18 So it's kind of a stupid decision. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 241.66 245.53 But there's also the potential for mark there's a market here for our lost teletext. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 245.53 250.03 For example someone that just goes to the shop that wants a replacement wants it as cheap as possible. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 250.03 253.77 Twenty-five Euros is the selling price, we really have to innovate here I guess. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 242.12 242.29 Right. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 260.66 265.62 some people are gonna be hap unhappy 'cause it took they can't ac access their teletext. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 266.49 272.75 'Cause we're talking about eighty percent or ninety percent or ninety-five percent of the televisions out there are are teletext. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 254.15 260.66 That's what I'm that's what I'm talking about is is that we have to find something that is gonna be very attractive about this product 'cause somebody 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 265.62 266.49 Okay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 265.06 265.33 Mm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 274.39 274.64 K yeah. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 278.3 281.83 It's just when we eliminate that then what do we bring? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 285.61 289.18 If we lose one we need to bring two or three. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 274.66 278.3 So so it's it's not that I'm criticizing the product at all. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 281.83 285.61 What are we bringing in to take the place of this, and we have to d in my opinion we have to double up. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 283.95 284.22 Mm 'kay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 288.08 288.29 Okay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 290.45 295.18 Okay I think that the last point is probably quite uh straightforward. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 295.18 298.69 Obviously the the w it has to be branded. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 299.38 301.31 So then the double R. will be our our 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 299.83 299.93 'Kay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 303.57 305.24 On the product yeah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 305.24 306.61 Can you handle that black and yellow? 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 304.89 305.72 I think one of 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 305.29 306.14 I tho I tho I thou 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 307.02 309.89 I think Rol Ro Rolls-Royce might mind, but don't worry. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 319.45 329.17 So I think our kind of our target here is to have some kind of very like sleek nice look remote and we want it to be functional as well 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 310.48 311.49 I think w, yeah,
IS1002b H01 MIE029 329.17 331.81 but I think one of the main selling points is that 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 311.49 319.45 one of the things that we should also keep in mind um when we're doing this I mean our company's slogan is we put the fashion in electronics, right. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 334.73 336.41 You know we don't wanna a big clunker. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 336.41 341.24 We want something that looks nice and it's fashionable and so 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 332.06 334.73 we don't want it to be clunky like like this thing here. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 334.88 335.12 Mm. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 342.54 343.31 So you have this? 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 343.49 343.63 Nah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 344.96 348.02 So we have three presentations, and I think we'll go in 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 349.75 351.41 order of participant number here. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 357.48 357.96 That's 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 353.19 357.48 So we can have a look at the working design first from participant two. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 359.32 359.53 Yes. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 359.48 360.99 Okay. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 359.83 360.29 That's fine. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 365.97 367.07 Okay so 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 367.33 368.21 Mm it's enough. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 368.21 370.07 But uh click it on off? 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 370.42 372.59 so you all know me, I'm the Industrial Designer. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 390.71 399.08 Um we need a programmable digital signal processor to um to take the input from the user and translate that into uh 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 382.97 390.71 Um we have to decide on our our user interface, which is his department, but the in user interface is also a major component. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 374.47 380.4 And we've some basic components that um our remote is gonna need, just basically every remote'll need 'em. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 380.4 382.97 We need some kinda of power d power source. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 399.62 408.59 into electronic signal, which we pass to the infra-red L. E. D., which you aim at the television uh which and it receives that signal. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 409.71 413.29 You need a on-off switch um I don't know how that got in there. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 422.23 428.96 So we need to know all the different you know all the different signals and so that'll require some memory as well. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 413.29 422.23 And uh we also need to um have the if we want a universal remote we need to have encryption codes for the different makes of T. V. s. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 437.48 441.27 You ha the v the power source is in the upper right-hand corner there 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 448.6 458.17 and then passes that signal on to the infra-red L. E. D. and that signal is then emitted and received by the television at the photo-transistor. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 441.27 448.6 and you can see that uh we have the user interface here which is connected to the chip which does all our signal processing 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 431.48 437.48 Um so here's just a basic layout of how how the remote would work. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 458.71 467.5 So those are the basic components that need to go into this and everything else is pretty much uh open to move around. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 468.04 472.72 Now is would this be considered just a standard uh um 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 474.1 474.86 I think any des 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 477.29 479.54 We're talking about existing technology. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 474.6 477.29 This is not this is not cutting edge technology we're talking here. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 479.54 482.78 Nothing is being modified or upgraded or new discoveries. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 477.53 477.77 No. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 479.14 480.01 Right I think 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 493.64 502.46 I mean that I mean that you can kinda say would would fall under the user interface and the digital signal processing chip. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 502.46 503.12 But 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 490.01 493.64 We can add things in like if we wanted some voice recognition 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 481.57 490.01 Yeah this is just this is just a basic layout of ev of all the components that w w are gonna be absolutely necessary f to have a working remote. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 501.26 502.02 Okay. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 502.02 502.33 Okay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 502.4 504.49 Do we have an idea of costs of different components? 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 515.13 521.33 Um the L. E. D. and the the transistors and everything else are you know they're they're pretty cheap. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 504.8 515.13 Um well the most the most costly components are gonna be the chip and the uh th it could als basically the user interface and the casing are gonna be expensive as well. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 515.44 515.58 'Kay. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 528 534.23 Um depending on the n amount of memory we need in there and stuff like that and h and h you know how much power. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 521.72 528 So depending on what we want our functionality to be, um the chip could be expensive or it could be cheap. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 528.04 528.34 Mm 'kay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 535.5 535.67 No. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 533.54 535.5 Do we have any ballpark figures for that yet? 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 556.15 556.66 I think. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 542.58 556.15 Um but and I think a significant part of the cost could be the actual the actual casing itself and and you know the the b the buttons and things like that 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 538.19 542.58 We uh we have to wait until we get to a more specific design phase for that. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 535.67 538.19 Uh I don't have any figures right now. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 537.83 538.04 'Kay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 541.79 541.97 Yeah. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 542.51 542.91 N okay. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 554.95 555.04 Mm. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 555.8 556.54 Mm the shell? 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 557.11 557.44 Yeah. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 557.44 558.05 Basically yeah. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 558.04 558.36 Okay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 561.75 561.97 Okay. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 563.22 563.69 So yeah. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 563.69 564.85 That's all I have really. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 565.45 565.85 Okay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 565.85 566.16 Thanks. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 570.53 573.77 And we have participant three, which I believe is Pedro. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 574.3 575.6 I 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 580.69 582.11 I can give you that to click on. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 583.38 584.78 Open. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 581.59 583.38 Hey mouse. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 585.99 586.62 And you wanna get 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 587.4 590.41 When we're fighting over it's also more lot more fun. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 589.9 592.77 View a slide show, that's what you wanna do, yeah? 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 592.77 593.41 Just go up to view. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 594.55 594.96 Uh. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 594.64 595.34 Click, don't Yeah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 596.01 596.25 Mm 'kay 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 596.66 598.86 This doesn't work. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 600.37 603.49 Um you guys know me, Pedro, and um 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 598.86 600.37 So yeah function design. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 618.07 622.57 If basically a case will will cost the same if it looks good or bad 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 605.39 618.07 what I found is we want to do fashion and I think, honestly, we should keep technology low and just simple basically and try to aim for design. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 631.49 636.22 So we should just go for something that people will like to actually look at. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 626.04 629.16 Um something cute and small. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 629.16 631.49 The big chunky remotes are died in the eighties. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 623.78 626.04 so we ma we have to make it look good. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 637.29 640.96 And um although mo most people will buy s 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 658 661.37 for instance, tune in their the stations. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 663.49 664.27 So um 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 661.37 663.49 There's no need to have that in the remote. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 641.57 658 televisions and everything for uh that have loads of loads of little functions and everything and they mostly end up using simple functions and little things and most the people won't won't get too mad of actually having to go the to the s to the television to,
IS1002b H02 MIO026 682.67 691.29 Um and uh although I th I th I'm still here recommending the teletext so I'll remove that, I guess, but um we should go for the 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 665.91 674.57 um as for what I would recommend for uh the the interface design, and uh I will change the colours on the on the logo,
IS1002b H02 MIO026 674.57 682.67 but um we should go for the user-oriented device, so simple controls and good ergonomics. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 690.99 699.59 But I t I think what the the management recommendation was less that there's a worry that teletext will become outdated rather than we shouldn't have it. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 699.59 704.35 So I I still think if it's cheap enough functionality-wise to include, it really should be in there. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 704.32 704.6 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 722.29 724.93 it can be operated with the same set of buttons, yeah? 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 704.83 709.1 Because otherwise we're just going to I mean even if it's necessary or not 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 724.93 726 So it should be in there. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 709.1 722.29 if you if you're given the choice between a t a remote with teletext or without uh when it really if it i if it isn't more expensive for us to k make because as far as I understand it,
IS1002b H01 MIE029 724.61 728.13 Right as far as i it's just uh the cost of an extra button. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 728.13 731.22 I mean software-wise there's really no difference. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 731.22 731.66 I think. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 724.61 725.25 Yeah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 728.88 729.06 Yeah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 731.37 731.93 Isn't 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 731.12 731.37 Okay. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 749.68 750.49 I don't understand that. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 731.98 733.54 I have maybe a silly question. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 740.55 743.29 I I don't understand how those two things are connected. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 733.54 740.55 I in the very beginning it said with the with the advent of computers there's gonna be the it's gonna be out-moded teletext. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 743.29 749.68 How does how does computers and teletext h how why is one eliminating the need of the other? 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 750.6 755.95 Well maybe what we're getting into here is the the idea of uh Internet through the T. V. for example. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 755.95 758.18 So that might play on what we can do. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 757.41 768.12 Yeah the they're basically aiming at saying that you would use you know a couple of years ago teletext to be the easiest way to check like for uh uh the scheduling and the next programme and stuff like that and now 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 764.56 765.34 Scheduling. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 767.49 770.77 Um to find out what what you're watching even if there's commercials you know. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 773.01 777.81 But I still think teletext is way more convenient until until we have the same commodities. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 770.8 773.01 Yeah and now you can c look it over Internet. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 771.03 771.42 Okay. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 774.46 775.9 I think I ha 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 781.01 787.92 I mean I do see the cross-over in some sense, but but but but with the the remote is is used for television, okay. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 794.42 794.64 S 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 787.92 794.42 So so if we make the cross-over and we're gonna view television on computers then we're then we're losing the the necessity of the remote. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 777.78 781.01 Yeah 'cause, yeah, I just I don't see the cross-over between computers and television. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 778.23 778.74 I agree. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 784.84 784.97 Yeah. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 783.44 784.84 Yeah, but it's not happen yet. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 784.47 785.12 Well for me 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 785.06 786.81 Well you have digital T. V. still already. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 788.36 788.78 Yeah. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 791.32 792.48 Unless you have a 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 794.13 794.42 Yeah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 794.24 799.88 Well there there is a for example on digital T. V. systems you have you can press a button and you can buy things in adverts 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 799.88 803.02 and you can uh you can view through a catalogue for example. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 803.02 808.54 A a family member of mine has got a system where you just um you can 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 800.75 800.98 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 820.32 826.69 So now the things to think here are that that there's gonna be more functionality, potentially that we can handle. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 812.23 820.32 They're just features from the Internet uh from computers are are coming into the T. V. sort of under the covers, but you still use it through a teletext. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 808.58 812.23 Yeah, and there's other features for example on other systems where you can pause live T. V. and things like that. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 818.47 818.83 Okay. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 820.45 820.79 Okay. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 827.88 828.45 That's the thing. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 824.87 827.88 Yeah but we we don't we're not aiming a command for that. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 828.45 833.15 And all of those require the other commands with more complexity and more software and 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 838.95 839.47 I don't think. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 832.72 835.01 I think a lot of that's proprietary anyways. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 835.01 838.95 You're not gonna be able to, you, like command a TiVo with our remote. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 835.82 836.02 Mm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 840.12 841.68 But still there there's an opportunity. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 846.77 851.73 an okay button or something like that might might do as well in future proofing it. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 841.68 846.77 If if it's, for example, a trainable one then we're just simply having like an up, down, left, right 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 852.39 856.57 Yeah but we would increase the price to try to make it a trainable one, so 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 854.42 854.62 Mm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 857.17 857.46 Okay. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 857.91 858.87 Well I dunno. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 858.87 866.31 One way the other teletext was there but I guess we can remove it or, you know, make two separate interface designs. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 870.35 871.34 Just you know 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 864.88 870.35 I think if it's possible you should try to you know have a talk with management about that. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 873.47 878.42 I I don't see the logic in elimination of teletext, I just I I but I'm not a tech-mind either. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 871.68 873.47 Yeah I don't I don't see the logic. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 878.42 885.19 I just don't see the cross-over between computers and and and 'Cause we are designing something for a television, okay. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 871.91 872.16 Yeah. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 873.48 873.79 Yeah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 876.6 878.01 Yeah, and neither do I in fact. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 881.64 881.93 Bu uh. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 889.49 894.58 although teletext may become outdated w there's no l logic in not having it in there anyway 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 884.71 889.49 I'll communicate that back to those guys there a a and th the message really we wanna be sending to them is that 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 894.71 894.89 Yeah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 894.89 896.86 i if it doesn't affect the price. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 908.62 909.23 I dunno I'm 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 896.86 908.62 Um but I I think what they're pushing us towards here is in terms of thinking of ways to future-proof our system for future systems that have something else other than teletext maybe. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 895.04 896.79 Right it's just not Yeah. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 896.36 898.38 We are selling it to an existing market. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 896.65 896.8 Yeah. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 913.31 913.82 That's the problem. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 908.47 913.31 Yeah but we're not putting some there's no no putting anything in in the place of teletext. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 909.33 909.76 That's 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 918.47 925.02 So so w we can't go and pump a whole bunch of technology into this thing because all of a sudden we are gonna have cost overruns. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 912.56 915.77 Yeah, and and, yeah, and and we're also marketing a product. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 915.77 918.47 It's what I'm seeing is a is a mid-range cost product. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 925.02 930.16 So if we drop if we are gonna choose to drop teletext, again what are we adding to the product that makes it marketable? 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 913.01 913.26 Mm 'kay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 918.89 919.06 Mm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 921.62 921.86 Yeah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 932.18 939.76 So if we're keeping it basic we're loo loo what we're looking to sell it basically is it's uh just being very easy to use,
IS1002b H00 MIE080 942.32 944.2 'Cause we really don't have anything else there, do we? 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 931.19 932.18 Hmm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 939.76 942.32 looking exceptionally good, that sort of thing. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 944.56 944.78 Yeah. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 961.3 971.85 So I would market this product it at eighty-nine Euros and come up with some really beautiful exterior design or something th but but I don't think we have that flexibility. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 953.3 955.57 I need to make it special with a high price tag. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 945.88 953.3 and to me if I'm gonna market a product for b for beauty for for design I'm gonna I'm gonna try to market it at a much higher price. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 944.77 945.88 I don't I don't see it 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 955.57 958.89 I don't want to make it economically uh g uh competitive. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 958.89 961.3 I want I want to market it as exclusive. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 956.6 956.97 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 970.45 973.46 But i if design if design is cheap and functionality is basic 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 991.4 992.54 Does that make sense, huh? 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 973.46 991.4 then twenty-five Euros is probably a high price for a commoner garden stan standard T. V. so the place uh remote the then the place we're going to justify that cost is through through design through making it a a sleek elegant high-priced basic remote. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1000.74 1010.16 and if I'm coming in with a with with twenty-five Euros, which is mid-market price, um then what am I going to give these people for this? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 992.08 1000.74 No I no I I understand what you say, but what I'm what I'm, okay we probably need to move along, but my my concern is trying to find a marketing niche for this product,
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1010.16 1012.06 So that's just my question, but we can keep talking. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 993.27 993.39 Mm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 997.99 998.97 We we're doing alright for time. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 997.03 997.99 Yeah we probably should. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1009.65 1009.9 Yeah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1013.4 1014.77 Sorry that kinda cut into you there. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1012.39 1013.4 Okay. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1014.86 1015.15 Well 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 1026.24 1032.67 Right now it's just the idea of simplicity and slickness, cute and small um 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 1020.83 1026.24 Um as for, you know, the the case design uh maybe I'll come up with more concrete ideas. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 1015.27 1020.83 No just I I would I would advocate for continuing teletext and those would be the basic commands. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1035.28 1044.78 how many people how many people actually use every feature that ar you know i like these trainable remotes and things like that,
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1050.33 1050.61 Where 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1044.78 1050.33 where, you know, it's just so confusing to do to use all these functions. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1032.11 1035.28 I'm just thinking you know with all these universal remotes that are out there 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1031.05 1032.11 Right. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1068.71 1072.06 I think that's gonna be where you're gonna find the biggest, you know, market share. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1057.75 1061.71 They want something that looks nice, that that that isn't gonna break when they drop it,
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1050.99 1057.75 I think the largest portion of the market is just gonna you know they lost their T. V. remote, they need another one that'll work with their T. V. . 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1061.71 1068.71 that you know that maybe it's it's ergonomic, it feels good in your hand, something like that. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1067.25 1067.5 Mm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1073.08 1077.4 So we are looking for something that looks good and just works, rather than looking for any special features. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1077.4 1077.76 Is that 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1090.05 1096.55 I think you know what percentage of the of the um of the market is actually gonna use that? 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1077.54 1081.89 I think the more bells and whistles we add, it's just gonna cut into our into our profits. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1096.55 1100.01 Maybe five percent, you know, and how much 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1081.89 1090.05 Because I think as we as we add costs for things like uh for like if we add the voice recognition and things like that 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 1077.71 1078.21 Yeah. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 1096.57 1096.79 Yeah mm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1096.97 1097.22 Mm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1106.55 1108.32 I'm not the boss. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1102.85 1103.8 Be a good idea. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1108.32 1108.58 Okay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1098.55 1102.85 But we can talk a little bit more potentially in the marketing marketing presentation about this. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1103.8 1106.55 Uh sorry, I didn't mean to cut in. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1101.11 1101.31 Right. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1102.28 1102.9 Yeah okay. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1102.9 1103.4 I'm sorry. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1104.42 1105.63 Yeah. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1105.17 1106.06 Sorry boss. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1108.56 1113.68 Oh P Pedro, I just want to say quickly I I would really like it when you can come up with some more bells and whistles, eh. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1114.91 1122.07 You know sell uh things come to my mind is uh uh something that's uh um voice-activated. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1122.07 1125.13 I know we're getting into some, I hope, some big money on this thing, but 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1124.76 1126.46 I think that's probably a question more for 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1128.84 1129.58 Okay, alright. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1127.24 1128.84 Is that for over here? 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1127.66 1129.04 for this guy here, yeah. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1129.3 1130.41 Well it's kinda both of us. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1130.41 1131.86 Us us user interface. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1128.2 1129.3 Yeah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1131.32 1131.72 Okay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1130.58 1131.32 Is it? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1130.98 1131.39 That's 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1139.78 1150.01 So some way that I can I can find my remote by clapping my hands or something uh and and so so um But this 's just something. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1156.51 1158.06 And it's only for televisions. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1150.01 1154.93 I'm trying to find some bells and whistles 'cause when they talk about tel taking out teletext, it's like, what are we gonna put in? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1132.21 1139.78 'Cause uh and I think of voice-activated I think of of how many times I've I've lost my my remote and I can't find it. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1154.93 1156.51 What makes this thing attractive? 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 1132.55 1132.72 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1140.33 1140.54 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1142.48 1143.31 I was thinking about that. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1144.11 1146.53 Then your lights would go off, though. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1144.66 1144.93 Mm. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1179.74 1185.72 I'm I I go along with this, because this is what we're given to try to market, but I I don't see the market niche for this product 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1171.95 1178.26 And so to me we have to make this a really special product I I I don't s I really have to say I don't see the market niche for this product. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1178.26 1179.74 At this price I don't see it yet. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1165.73 1171.95 their D. V. D. s, their their televisions and we're coming out with one remote for television only. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1158.71 1165.73 So we everyth our our competition out there has got these these multiple adaptors where they can use 'em for their V. C. R. s,
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1172.88 1173.18 Yeah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1187.2 1187.47 Hmm. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1187.86 1193.23 without without some really sort of something really special to identify it as as unique in the market. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 1194.21 1195.65 But we th that should be design. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1196.31 1196.63 Yeah. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 1198.74 1201.97 I think technology we'd we we're not in the price range to do it. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 1196.92 1198.74 That should be the design basically. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1198.04 1198.22 Right. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 1209.52 1210.58 Yeah. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 1203.22 1209.52 We don't have the money to do it towards t f technology so we should we should aim at design. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 1210.58 1210.83 Yeah. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1207.25 1207.58 Okay. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1209.94 1216.41 Okay well, so so that's up to you then to to make this box in something that's absolutely extraordinary. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1208.04 1209.94 Have to do you have to do it in the box? 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1219.81 1220.13 Okay. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1219.91 1221.21 Maybe make it in the form of a gun. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1221.21 1222.79 We can sell it in United States. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1237.33 1240.08 In terms of making it work or the cost of that or 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1226 1237.33 Does any of the um the features that Pedro's spoken about here have any implications we might not have thought about on in terms of just pure functionality? 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1222.81 1226 I have a question uh for you. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1238.26 1239.18 I don't 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1239.91 1241.72 I think all these things are pretty standard. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1241.72 1242.65 I think we'll be okay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1242.95 1243.21 Okay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1245.28 1245.72 Cheers. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1244.53 1245.28 'Kay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1248.56 1250.52 Onto participant four. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1260.72 1266.92 Well you know for marketing f marketing for me is uh and uh how do I go here? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1266.92 1267.28 Okay. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1269.18 1270.72 Mm you can just click. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1272.29 1272.61 Is that right? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1270.43 1272.29 Go go. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1272.33 1273.97 No no no you just get off that. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1273.97 1275.11 You just click anywhere. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1292 1297.67 as a manufacturer, and as a as a um distributor t to other wholesalers. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1275.46 1276.5 Ah-ha. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1281.93 1285.34 okay, 'til you spoke and when I wrote this, I don't know what I'm marketing. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1276.5 1281.93 Yeah, what for me is it um I d I don't know what I'm marketing right now,
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1285.34 1292 I just know that I I was identified as a a we identified ourselves as a as a developer,
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1307.41 1309.46 That's what we decided here. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1318.34 1324.38 So what we've identified here as our main marketing stratagem is is in design. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1309.46 1318.34 Um so what I did is I I decided that that this this needs to be a product in a in a sense can market itself. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1298.09 1307.41 And so the th the twenty-five Euros that we've identified as the sale price is a wholesale price rather than a retail price. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 1305.97 1306.21 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1324.62 1329.8 We're making the most beautiful attractive uh whatever we decide it is. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1333.88 1340.19 Um so I would like to have a product that that we can sell easily. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1347.42 1351.8 Uh innovation I think fits into what we're talking about here with design. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1329.8 1333.88 So that means we have about seven more minutes or ten minutes left. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1340.19 1347.42 So I say inspiration, so having something beauty, something attractive, uh something that in a sense will sell itself. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1351.8 1356.71 Uh cutting edge technology, I don't think we're gonna have that, these were ideas I was putting together, 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1333.1 1333.38 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 1347.1 1347.4 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1378.82 1380.38 I don't know. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1357.18 1364.34 um unless we come up with some New Age product a as far as the casing is concerned. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1380.38 1381.26 These are just thoughts. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1364.34 1373.44 I I wanna make this thing something that I can identify as special in some way, so maybe we can have some I I talked about environmentally sensitive 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1373.44 1378.82 uh maybe we have a product that can be identified in some way as advantageous in a home. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1395.77 1402.03 So to me it's about selling d uh our identity our corporate identity along with the product. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1388.2 1395.77 we're competitive, we're we're trying to provide a product from a new perspective rather than from an old corporate line. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1381.71 1388.2 Uh I wanted to talk about uh who we are as a as a corporation, that we're new, we're aggressive,
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1405.12 1409.92 Um what I found is that the projected costs are competitive. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 1410.91 1411.29 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1424.7 1429.15 If if we could have a technological something 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1411.08 1417.98 Uh we're kind of in the middle of the market, but what I'm seeing is that the market is ready for I I identified new technology,
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1417.98 1424.7 but again, because what I see is budget restrictions and limitations, I don't know that we can bring any new technology into this thing. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1431.03 1436.24 And it's kind of along the s lines of environmentally sensitive, and it may even fit into ergonomics,
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1429.37 1431.03 I have an idea. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1436.24 1442.97 and even kind of address the issue of losing losing the remote, what we were saying it's a common issue. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1429.82 1430.96 Mm p please. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1442.33 1442.72 Mm. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1463.31 1467.09 so you'll always know where the remote is 'cause you have to put it back there to charge the remote, 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1451.41 1453.93 And s for some people Yeah. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1458.79 1463.31 Like a a cradle that is is there to hold the remote when you're not using it,
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1450.3 1451.41 Right? 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1443.6 1450.3 Um what we can do is, well you know that batteries throwing a aw remotes run through batteries like crazy. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1453.93 1458.79 Well maybe not a solar remote but instead what about if we had like a power cradle? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1448.92 1453.01 Solar. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1449.89 1450.08 Yeah. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1455.36 1456.16 But solar 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1470.38 1474.67 replaceable batteries we'll just have a power cell that stays there for the life of the remote. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1467.39 1470.38 and we can, instead of having instead of having, you know 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1474.67 1479.95 You never have to get go through the go through uh all these different batteries. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1492.61 1500.72 You know you could have some kind of neat little, you know, a sexy design for d a cradle and the remote itself. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1480.27 1487.89 And also you can I I think it's a good opportunity for the user design or for not just for the user design 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1487.89 1492.61 but also for the just for the look and feel of the remote as as a whole. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1500.74 1501.62 Blah, I like it. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1501.62 1504.67 I like the idea, but we're talking about in cost is gonna probably double. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1505.28 1506.85 It w it would increase the cost. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1506.65 1513.62 But boy, we can sell this thing, because there's no batteries, it's environmentally sensitive, i we can identify it as a safer product in some form. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1515.28 1516.57 Maybe there's a button on the cradle. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1513.56 1515.28 And you could page the remote if you lose it. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1517.88 1519.85 I really see But the cost i 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1516.56 1517.88 Yep, that's right. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1518.79 1522.43 Now the the question is can we make this for less than twelve-fifty per? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1524.67 1526.42 There's uh I mean I don't see it anyway. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1522.15 1522.72 No no. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1522.72 1524.67 No no, we have t we have to change the end cost. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1525 1529.74 We we well do we necessarily have to change the end cost because uh 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1531.09 1538.06 Can we dl can we do that without uh changing it twelve-fifty per product, if we basically can sell more based on this? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1540.29 1542.64 I my reaction is no, but 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1538.76 1540.29 Yeah, that's gonna be up to these guys. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1540.32 1540.68 Well 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1541.41 1553.97 what I can do is I can d look into ho well Pedro and I can look into how much this might increase our our costs and you can look into what kind of effect an increased cost is gonna have on our on our final numbers. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1548.85 1549.05 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1555.45 1559.13 Yeah we we can certainly push for a more expensive product if that's gonna be 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1558.21 1562.55 Well, see I I see I I'm an advocate to make this an exclusive product. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1562.55 1567.01 You know, let's let's sell this wholesale for for fifty Euros, sixty Euros. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1567.01 1574.12 Let's make this thing really exclusive, environmentally sensitive, uh high-tech design, uh ergonomics, all of this. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1574.12 1579.82 Just make this thing uh, yeah, the the the Rolls Royce of of remote controls. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1579.57 1580.87 I I 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1581.34 1583.52 If you don't have one, hey what kind of remote do you have? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1580.18 1581.34 Every home's got to have it. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1587.25 1588.86 I just don't have enough money right now. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1583.52 1587.25 Oh you've got one of those, oh fantastic, I want one of those too. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1587.2 1587.42 Yeah. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1602.05 1606.37 you know, the D. V. D. player and, you know, the stereo system and all that. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1590.09 1602.05 because in order to do that in order to price it at that kind of level I think we'd need to have every functionality that all the other competitors are offering like being able to operate,
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1606.37 1610.1 Which is a pretty basic function that w we've opted out of. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1610.1 1615.08 And additionally we're m maybe not supporting teletext um 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1589.08 1590.09 I just don't know about that 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1615.59 1619.46 Nah, I think we can say with certainty now that we are supporting teletext. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1618.82 1623.8 But I do think there are some basic features that we don't have that a lot of other remotes are going to have. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1629.54 1633.37 Now uh in my opinion we need to give them a package back, okay. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1641.96 1645.48 I don't think it's our place to create their product for them, maybe it is. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1645.48 1649.32 I don't know what kind of role we have in this in the corporate ladder uh,
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1649.32 1653.36 but to me it's like, okay, you have got your here's our ideas, okay. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1633.37 1635.22 They say they say okay here you go. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1635.22 1641.96 They gave us a fundament a foundation of of what they want, and and w it's our place to kinda analyse and evaluate. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1624.3 1629.54 Yep, one one thing I don't understand is h they've they've given us this package, okay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1629.02 1629.27 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1638.69 1638.93 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1639.08 1639.35 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1653.19 1653.42 Mm. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1653.56 1656.07 And then let them look at those ideas and they say, yeah well,
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1661.9 1670.07 but to me it's it's about a choice, do we follow their directives or do we make uh presentations back and and then and then discuss? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1656.07 1661.9 we can we can raise the price twenty percent, you know we like this idea, this idea no,
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1676.55 1677.1 I don't see it. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1671.49 1676.55 beca I I do not I do not see the market niche for the product that they're handing f handing us right now. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1676.09 1676.37 Mm. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1691.62 1695.04 and then they're gonna look on the shelf and they're gonna see ours is the nicest looking remote. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1695.04 1696.26 It does what they need. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1696.26 1698.62 These aren't I I think that it 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1689.46 1691.62 they just wanna run out to the store and get a remote 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1678.97 1689.46 I think our market niche is basically people who need who have lost their remote or uh who've broken their remote and don't wanna send back to the manufacturer 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1676.71 1678.97 I don I I d I have to disagree though. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1707.38 1710.49 It's not going to be specifically for Hitachi T. V. s or or whatever. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1698.18 1701.95 And and th to get to back to another point, sorry uh uh for cutting in but,
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1701.95 1707.38 I th I think it's important to remember that that this remote has to work with multiple T. V. s, yeah, 'cause it's selling on its own. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1706.7 1706.85 Right. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1708.1 1708.37 Right. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1708.98 1709.49 Right. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1710.05 1710.73 No I understand that. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1711.09 1720.31 So technologically, if I understand it, uh T. V. s T. V. remote's working exactly the same way as video remotes and D. V. D. remotes. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1720.31 1726.28 All you need to do is train them to the individual one, all you need to do is is know the the f like some four-digit code. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1726.28 1732.51 So saying that it works with all T. V. s is equivalent to saying that it'll work with D. V. D. s and other things. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1726.33 1726.61 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1757.24 1759.46 because who wants just a television remote? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1731.32 1734.94 Nope, they've identified the product as not working for anything but televisions. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1759.46 1760.61 I don't. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1751.18 1757.24 And it's like whoa we ha in my opinion we have to go with something that's extremely exclusive to make this thing marketable 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1739.91 1745.05 If we if w if we were going to have a product that worked for D. V. D. s, V. C. R. s and everything,
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1734.94 1739.91 They've identified this product limita That's why I say I don't I don't see the market niche for this. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1745.05 1751.18 then I can see the market niche, but we we're only identified as going for televisions without teletext. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 1734.77 1736.35 Yeah y y you you wouldn't 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1735.63 1736.5 We have done this. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1735.03 1735.63 Oh okay okay. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 1737.46 1738.53 The interface will be different. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1739.94 1740.32 I see. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1745.18 1745.56 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1751.37 1751.59 Right. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1755.86 1756.64 Well here's 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1757.09 1758.39 And I I'd Mm sorry. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1758.46 1758.65 Right. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1761.9 1768.46 If you're in the market for this ultimate remote, you're not gonna go for just a television remote. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1776.41 1779.47 that just you can throw all your other remotes away. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1759.56 1761.9 We he well here's my thing about that. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1779.47 1782.8 I'm not gonna buy a d seventy-five Euro remote. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1768.46 1776.41 If it can't control if it can't control your your D. V. D. player and a al if y if you can't get that all-in-one ultimate remote 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1768.96 1769.27 That's right. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1783.03 1785.17 I I I have a tendency to agree with you. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1789.49 1791.96 I really question where we create the demand. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1786.08 1789.49 That's why I say I quest I q I question the marketability of the product. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1785.17 1786.08 I really do. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1786.04 1787.49 So we really can't chase that. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1790.32 1793.11 So I think what we So that's what I'm saying 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1793.79 1799.99 The the one thing that that that you said really struck a chord with me here in that we're we're carrying the corporate identity with the product 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1799.99 1811.41 but we're actually looking for a large profit at the same time where I'd be inclined to go back to upper-level management and say like let's just cut down our profit expected on this product because we are actually branding our company here. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1811.41 1812.9 We're selling more than just the product. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1792.04 1793.79 We're really looking for something basic. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1823.62 1824.22 It's reliable. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1819.67 1823.62 We want people to eventually say, oh that's that's Real Reaction that's a good m make. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1813.27 1819.67 We're trying to get mind-share about uh Real Reaction to to the people who are gonna buy consumer electronics. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1832.19 1836.65 it just being good, reasonable-priced, and solid. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1836.65 1844.12 So if we can make if we can put an emphasis here on it not breaking I think that's in itself an extremely big thing. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1825.36 1832.19 And and we're gonna make it we're gonna win mind-share by uh either being a fantastic product or for it working,
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1840.1 1840.34 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1841.99 1842.83 I think that's big. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1853.89 1861.21 So we can say low-cost uh uh um uh good design, beautiful, wa-da-da-da-da-da. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1847.73 1853.89 and you make it less expensive, then all of a sudden now we're going into an a a new market area. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1843.08 1847.73 W okay if you if you drop the cost, now if you make if you make go to the other side of the cost scale,
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1861.21 1863.38 But what I'm saying is right now we're middle market. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 1857.88 1858.36 Good design. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1859.31 1860.45 We only have a few minutes left. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1864.52 1867.8 Is twenty-five Euros a mid-market price for a remote? 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1867.8 1868.13 Okay. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1883.86 1891.81 And and they have 'em in a little box in the middle, and and this is the consciousness that most people have about replacement remote controls. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1876.96 1883.86 nineteen Euro, and that's for the multi-functions, uh D. V. D., V. C. R., uh catch-alls. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1867.46 1871.22 Yeah for for multi for a multi-function remote, that's a mid-market price. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1871.22 1876.96 In a discount right now you can buy 'em on sale sometimes for about about uh eighteen,
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1891.81 1897.74 So to me, to market this a t only a television remote control we have to change consciousness. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1867.97 1868.69 I think so, yeah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1878.55 1878.74 Okay. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1898.05 1903.89 We have to have something that will change people's thinking to identify this as advantageous, and I don't know what that is. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1903.89 1908.09 It's gotta be low-cost or high-cost with with special design features. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1908.56 1916.07 Well I'd be inclined to say, if we can make the design better than any comparable remote while reducing the cost 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1916.07 1918.01 then that's the way we really should play it. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1918.13 1918.35 Yeah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1927.09 1928.13 Yep we have five minutes left. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1918.4 1927.09 If we can take it down to you know fifteen rather than twenty-five and make a low profit-margin on it, but we're really doing that to sell the brand. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1929.41 1931.95 Uh rather th uh to to to sell for Real Reactions. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1931.95 1939.81 And I can communicate this to to the more senior uh mm people within the company here to to get a reaction. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1929.67 1930.42 Or my d 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1940.72 1944.96 What about um the idea that I had with the cradle? 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1944.96 1945.82 How do you feel about that? 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1947.25 1948.24 Or how does everybody feel? 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1948.68 1949.54 I I think 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1947.6 1948.68 Well how does everybody feel? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1952.11 1954.54 I like the idea, but we have t we have to find out 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1951.6 1952.11 I like it. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1948.06 1951.6 I mean I I well we g we're talking about the other end now. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1952.31 1956.09 No, but I that's the thing I I don't think it's necessarily the other end. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1967.19 1970.44 I'll take it to different I w I don't wanna go over somewhere and put it down. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1961.69 1967.19 And I think maybe not because I've got a remote and I'll take it to different chairs 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1956.08 1961.69 The other the o the problem with that in my mind I just think off-hand as a as a consumer, would I wanna buy that? 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1967.38 1967.58 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1975.89 1977.9 and that implies that there's only one T. V. user. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1977.9 1981.44 So it's very good for some people but it's not a like 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1970.7 1975.89 It i if it is gonna be somewhere that you put it down then it needs to be at the side of your armchair 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1970.71 1970.89 Right. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1980.28 1986.11 Well it lasts it would last for several hours on its own power, but when you're done with it you put it back in the cradle. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1986.08 1988.71 But it it takes away the ease of use of the remote to a certain extent. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1990.15 1993.69 You have to d shift down the side of the couch to find it and put it back and 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1988.71 1990.15 You have to l sort of remember. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1988.08 1988.76 Yeah well it 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1990.15 1990.34 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 1993.69 1993.9 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2003.09 2004.54 But I I don't know, that's just my opinion. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1996.04 2003.09 I d I d I d I think it it in my mind it doesn't seem like something that oh I'd really want uh because of that fact. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 1994.71 1996.04 Yeah. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 1995 1997.43 Well. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2000.99 2001.29 Mm. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2019.7 2023.1 or are we gonna go to the lower side of the range? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2026.8 2027.71 I don't see it yet. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2007.81 2011.66 You know if we're gonna go in this direction, to me we're going to the other side of the cost range. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2004.56 2007.81 Well, I think again it's it we have a cost issue here. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2023.1 2026.8 Again I don't see our market niche in the middle for our product yet. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2011.66 2019.7 Are we gonna make this selling selling the cost as a high high-tech uh um environmentally sensitive whatever 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2011.8 2011.97 Mm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2027 2027.19 'Kay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2028.3 2032.5 So what do we think maybe we should Pedro, do you have any opinion on it? 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 2032.88 2040.69 Uh we should keep it simple, mm medium-low cost mar um cost area and uh make it look good. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2041.96 2047.83 W a question I have in in a 'cause I I I think I agree with you on, we gotta make it a box. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2050.36 2053.26 Can can can we have multiple designs? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2047.83 2050.36 The box is gonna sell it I think, the outside, the casing. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2049.13 2050.1 Really need to wrap up now. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2064.51 2066.4 I don't know what that creates cost, or 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2055.14 2060.91 Have a modern, have a traditional, have a you know, and so so instead of them all looking the same 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2060.91 2064.51 people can have maybe four or five different designs they can choose from. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2073.81 2074.28 So 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2066.53 2073.81 Well the the problem with that is we may end up with a whole bunch of inventory of a of a poor design you know. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2072.66 2073.94 Yeah, okay, I hear that. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2071.11 2072.66 Yep one over another. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 2074.26 2075.47 Yeah, complicated but 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2076.07 2080.59 Um but what we could do is some kind of well I mean 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2082.94 2085.73 Yeah we we need to, I mean,
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2113.07 2114.51 Even though the cost may be low. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2105.82 2113.07 I think I think we have to make sure people look at it an and feel like it its like a quality remote. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2099.96 2105.82 it has to be durable, it has to a and I think it's really important that it doesn't look cheap. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2085.73 2094.01 have a few designs to look at and then come up with something that I think we all agree is, you know, the best fit. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2094.01 2099.96 I think w what's really important is it has to look good, it has to feel it has to feel good in your hand,
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2099.89 2100.06 Yeah. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 2105.86 2106.23 Yeah. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2113.14 2115.04 What ab what ab what about a 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2117.4 2120.98 a remote that's that doesn't maybe look like a remote? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2127.91 2129.48 They're selling these things everywhere. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2124.31 2127.91 Just just okay 'cause I mean we all know what a remote looks like on the outside. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2129.48 2136.17 Maybe that could be part of our design exclusivity, is we make a remote that doesn't even look like a remote it it opens like a telephone. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2123.51 2124.31 Just an idea. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2124.16 2124.4 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2136.21 2137.71 Or what if it looks like a pen? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2148.46 2150.83 I give you ideas, you guys create the product. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2154.38 2157.19 I just give you these things now, because these are my thoughts and feelings. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2150.83 2153.63 Once you have the finished product I'll find a way to sell it. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2137.88 2138.71 Doesn't matter, yeah. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2145.75 2148.46 I don't have a problem selling a product, that's not the issue. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2138.71 2142.14 I'm just jus I talking about some something to make this thing unique. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2144.11 2145.75 I'll sell whatever you guys design. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2153.63 2154.38 Don't worry about it. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2142.14 2144.11 It That's the thing, I'm gonna keep thumping on. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2138.58 2138.86 Yeah. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2139.91 2140.51 A pointer? 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2143.89 2144.13 Yeah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2144.61 2144.79 Mm. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2145.65 2145.81 Yeah. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 2157.56 2157.88 Okay. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2157.64 2157.9 So 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2163.04 2175.63 Um I really un unless you guys are die-hard against the fact that um it's possible like it reduces the usability of the remote b and the fact that you can't lose it on your own, 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2159.11 2163.04 just to touch on m my point one last time that I had brought up. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2177.33 2181.44 I think it still might be a good idea to investigate having like a power cradle. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2180.64 2180.84 Yeah. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 2182.69 2183.11 Okay. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 2183.11 2183.58 Yeah. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2195.76 2198.54 Maybe th th th that's just some people that like that. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2198.54 2199.21 A lot of people 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2193.38 2195.76 oh I better go find the remote and put it back where it belongs. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2183.19 2188.82 Because I really think i in a certain sense it almost like for me I would want to have that just 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2188.82 2193.38 because I know at the end of when I'm done watching T. V. that when I'm done 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2216.48 2218.29 Those things may have been inexpensive for all I know. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2198.48 2202.54 I mean there's al there's also remote controls I remember that that worked uh,
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2210.64 2216.48 so it might not be easy to market in it uh but the the technologies came along and it might be cheaper to make now. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2202.54 2205.92 this hasn't been done in a while I think, but th as a as a watch. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2205.92 2210.64 Yeah, there is remote control watches um, but I think they're a sorta eighties thing 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2198.64 2199.17 No no. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2206.29 2206.67 Mm 'kay. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2205.35 2206.29 As a watch? 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 2213.46 2214.98 Yeah they are not simple. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2218.62 2218.87 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2221.56 2227.4 is that the p our target market is gonna be someone who has lost or broken We gotta stop? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2248.44 2249.33 How does this happen? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2230.71 2233.62 So how many remotes do they wanna buy? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2240.4 2248.44 And so with with with this kind of system or locator or something, to to think about, how have people been been losing or breaking their remote? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2227.4 2230.71 Who's lost or broken their their remote. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2233.62 2240.4 Can we p can we sell them a remote that can maybe guarantee they will not need to buy another one? 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2219.17 2221.56 One thing I just thought about when you were saying that 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2226.66 2227.63 That's what I was saying. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2227.37 2228.16 Gotta cut up. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2237.94 2238.62 Exactly. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2240.03 2240.28 Mm. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 2240.31 2240.53 Yeah. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2242.15 2242.5 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2247.82 2248.1 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2249.61 2250.78 The last remote you'll ever buy. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2249.75 2251.26 And also presumably they've 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2250.88 2259.08 And and then and then design the product, maybe some component of the product that can identify this as the last one you'll ever need to buy. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2266.81 2277.94 Whereas actually just putting it in a power cradle might not be too expensive at all because that's just done with mobile phones you can just n we we have said we have actually similar products that we can take from and potentially cut costs there. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2258.71 2266.81 Well if if we're going down that then we can we don't need to go the it it strikes me that the locator feature might actually be uh quite expensive to make. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2258.9 2259.42 Exactly. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2264.39 2264.6 Yeah. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2270.25 2270.48 True. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2271.81 2271.94 Right. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2273.06 2273.62 Yeah. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2273.62 2275.6 The locator'll definitely be more expensive. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2277.69 2277.96 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2278.35 2287.34 Um need to look into whether we can do that but uh I think we we have some m mobile phone-based products uh checking quickly our Internet. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2287.34 2289.42 We really need to finish up here. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2289.42 2290.28 But uh 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2289.02 2293.23 uh we can make it in the shape of a coffee pot. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2293.27 2295.75 Yeah we have the the power-adaptor products. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2295.75 2297.1 We sell power-adaptor products. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2297.1 2299.89 So for example there's nothing stopping us 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2302.42 2308.23 So we have the c we probably have have on-line in our in our system, we have the ability to create this, we're talking about. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2298.63 2302.42 It's uh just it's that I think it's telling us to stop our meeting. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2301.67 2302.31 Yeah. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2300.96 2301.67 using that technology. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2309.32 2315.16 Yeah I think so, without it being too In fact we can cut costs through using the manufacturing that's already gonna be in place here. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2309.64 2310.42 A charging system. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2314.92 2315.07 Right. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2315.15 2320.19 If if we can create this we have probably five or six or seven really strong marketing characteristics. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2320.17 2325.06 I think one of the things that we can put right on the box is, never buy another battery. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2325.06 2326.53 You know, something like that. 
IS1002b H01 MIE029 2319.52 2320.17 Right. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2320.56 2320.81 Okay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2324.67 2324.86 Yep. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2326.98 2327.4 'Kay. 
IS1002b H00 MIE080 2327.4 2328.84 Thanks guys. 
IS1002b H02 MIO026 2328.23 2328.48 Yep. 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2330.62 2332.3 No that's not what I want, I want 
IS1002b H03 MIE083 2336.89 2338.71 Oh look it here. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 6.83 7.97 Afternoon guys. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 11.6 13.49 It's gonna be. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 14.15 14.75 Rock and roll. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 15.36 18.55 Oh. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 22.27 22.75 'Kay. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 23.13 25.71 So do we need to re-train Mike on how to put his mic on? 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 27.06 27.57 Think s 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 27.14 27.6 We may do. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 27.25 29.8 Okay, can he get it all by himself this time? 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 29.76 31.17 I dunno, I'm feeling like a big boy. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 30.75 31.06 Pro 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 29.89 30.75 Mm. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 32.72 34.38 Probably not, 'cause he's 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 38.22 39.35 'S been listening to too much. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 39.35 42.87 He's getting retarded. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 42.87 43.26 Yay. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 38.36 39.15 So 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 40.36 42.58 I believe I can fly. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 42.8 45.44 Alright well we got some exciting stuff for you guys. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 45.76 46.18 Or not. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 47.16 48.37 Or not. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 47.94 48.3 Yeah. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 48.65 50.46 Just what I needed was something exciting. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 52.42 53.53 Remember, I'm an old man. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 66.29 69.47 'Kay so here's our agenda our agenda. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 61.34 64.4 Hopefully we've all got exciting ideas now. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 55.36 58.46 'Kay, ready to go? 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 58.46 61.34 'Kay so we've got our conceptual design meeting. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 69.47 70.18 Um 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 64.4 66.29 Uh k exciting ideas. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 57.37 57.88 All ready. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 59.06 60.21 Apparently I'm old as well. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 61.8 63.06 Thirty's really young, eh? 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 63.23 64.12 We do. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 72.25 75.95 I'm gonna talk for a bit about what we're gonna do. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 77.4 81.75 We're gonna all do a presentation, and then hopefully we're gonna make some decisions now. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 75.95 77.4 I'm gonna take some notes. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 71.54 72.25 I'm gonna open. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 84.62 86.51 Well when I say hopefully, we have to. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 86.51 86.97 So 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 82.63 84.62 Yep. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 84.32 84.61 Alright. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 88.25 90.7 I'm gonna let you guys talk before we make decisions. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 92.65 94.91 And does anyone really want to go first? 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 95.53 96.54 I guess I'll go first. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 96.77 97.56 You p two? 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 97.78 97.93 Yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 98.88 99.31 What's 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 99.52 101.24 Component, I think. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 101.24 101.45 Yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 101.19 101.93 Components design. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 103.14 104.74 Yep that's it. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 104.98 105.85 Presented by name. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 107.72 108.72 My name is. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 108.93 110.57 Jose he man is. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 108.96 110.44 Your name is name? 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 110.71 111.51 My name is name. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 111.44 112.26 Huh hi name. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 111.87 114.1 My name is Inigo Montoya. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 116.52 119.81 Prepare to die. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 114.1 116.52 You killed my father. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 115.1 117.98 Sorry I did this in a bit of a rush. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 118.02 119.05 N name. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 118.52 123.28 So so here's a look inside your really old-looking remote control. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 128.19 135.83 and you've got all these buttons which kinda press down little rubber nubbies into these little holes that activate 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 123.28 128.19 Um you've got a printed a printed uh circuit board here 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 118.63 119.37 Right. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 135.06 137.28 We've all broke a remote control ri um s yeah. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 136.55 137.42 I've 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 139.03 145.38 So you've also got um you've got your chip here, your batteries here, and some sorta electronics. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 136.57 139.03 Yeah we've all broken a remote control. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 145.38 145.85 Um 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 145.99 147.65 I just love you tech guys, huh. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 147.65 148.22 They just 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 148.68 150.68 Yeah there's a thingy and a dingy and 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 149.34 153.19 You press this and it does th 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 149.64 153.6 Yeah y do jabber. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 161.97 167.35 Um you've got a couple diodes here for I don't know who and whatnot. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 156.82 161.97 um you've got the L. E. D. here on the end of the uh uh on the end of the printed circuit board. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 150.04 156.82 Well so you've got here's here's a transistor, and this amplifies your signal 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 166.52 169.06 I dunno who and whatnot. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 181.99 183.74 Uh it's two double A. batteries. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 168.01 170.2 So exactly. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 170.2 181.99 So um we've got a i in this in this uh drawing he uh in this example here, this is a eighteen pin um uh chip I dunno. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 183.74 185.01 This is pretty standard remote. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 169.55 169.61 Nah. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 173.76 174.02 P 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 179.59 179.77 Yeah. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 186.72 190.21 So here are options for our power sources. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 201.47 209.09 I don't know if that's really I don't know we got some qu crazy guys down there in that department so 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 193.43 201.47 um th our tech department also said we have the option of doing some kind of hand dynamo where maybe you crank it or something like that. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 190.21 193.43 You can use a basic battery, which we've already discussed 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 199.98 206.07 'Kay. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 200.64 205.65 I wanna change that. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 202.1 215.95 I I gotta I gotta flashlight, and uh yeah but it's interesting 'cause you shake it like this. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 215.95 217.59 Like this. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 207.93 208.72 Okay. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 211.6 212.09 You shake it. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 215.05 217.49 Yeah. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 235.64 238.62 And finally we've got our cradle o our power cradle idea. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 217.49 226.16 So that's the next bullet is the um the kinetic provision of energy, so it's like that flashlight where you have to shake it. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 227.96 235.64 which I don't think is a very good idea because um you could not use your remote at night which doesn't make a lot of sense. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 226.16 227.96 Uh we've got solar cells 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 218.9 220.4 And that's on the camera. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 224.92 225.07 Yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 225.78 225.93 'Kay. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 235.33 235.65 Mm 'kay. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 239.03 241.24 Okay so we basically have battery versus cradle here? 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 240.99 243.38 M battery versus cradle I think is yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 242.61 242.91 Okay. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 243.12 244.06 I like the kinetic. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 245.59 247.35 So we have battery versus cradle 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 249.35 249.69 Yeah. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 247.06 249.35 Yes. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 245.6 247.06 I g I I figured you would. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 246.44 250.81 It could be fun. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 249.53 254.95 It's actually a novel thing because you could sell it a as a novelty, just to be actually serious for a minute here, you could 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 262.48 264.05 So um 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 253.83 254.62 Yeah. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 254.62 262.48 Well it is it is more uh I mean it is more eco-friendly than the than the cradle 'cause you're still using power off the grid with the cradle. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 260.25 260.54 Mm. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 262.73 262.89 Hmm. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 265.58 266.8 our case design. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 266.8 272.01 We have uh choices in materials and choices in the general shapes that we can do. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 281.6 289.87 If we go with titanium we're gonna be uh limited in the amount of shapes we can do because it's tough to shape the titanium, and uh 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 272.01 281.6 Our material choices are a plastic latex um ty or plastic, a rubber latex type thing, uh wood, or titanium. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 291.51 292.3 Yeah pers 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 292.02 294.64 Wood wood would ge would give us a little bit of a marketing niche, wouldn't it. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 295.67 306.02 I think wood i I I can't see anybody wanting to use a wooden remote, it's just anti-technology really, you know. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 297.44 300.32 It it it 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 298.26 298.51 Nah. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 301.58 301.92 Uh. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 302.48 302.75 Okay. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 307.2 307.52 Hmm. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 311.02 316.94 We can we can o we can uh accentuate whatever whatever product you put in there we can find a way to accentuate it. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 307.98 311.02 Uh uh to me in a marketing sense it's not it's not relative. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 315.85 316.61 Right. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 340.31 343.58 and also maybe i I think it feels a little better than the plastic. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 331.04 340.31 to make it um to mak uh like a thick plastic inner shell and a t um kind of a to have that rubber outer shell to make it more durable 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 316.61 322.39 And what we may be able to do, and I think this might be the best option is to combine some a couple of these. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 322.39 331.04 Um my recommendation personally would be to do some kind of a plastic inner shell with a like a rubber outer shell 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 316.91 317.08 Okay. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 343.8 343.94 'Kay. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 345.53 346.3 Yeah okay. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 343.94 345.53 Do you get a good grip on the rubber? 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 345.2 346.77 Yeah um 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 350.6 352.25 You don't even need to lean down to get it. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 346.22 350.6 And if you make it from that super rubber, when you drop it on the floor it can bounce right back up in your hand. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 350.45 350.69 Yeah. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 361.57 369.76 So um and then we can cover you know the breakable bits with rubber yeah so um 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 352.39 361.57 The advantages of working with plastic and rubber is w we we'll have a lot more um options just in terms of shape because you can extrude plastic in basically any shape you want. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 369.35 369.68 Okay. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 382.55 388.73 I have no idea exactly what they're talking about, but that's what they told me, uncurved, flat, curved, or double-curved. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 374.52 382.55 in their um in their message to me, that they were referring to the number of th curves in the bottom. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 369.91 374.52 But basically these are curved and double-curved I I believe that the tech department,
IS1002c H00 MIE080 385.78 386 Okay. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 389 396.35 I would guess this like this pen would be kinda like a double-curved, where it's curved on m m multiple axes, right? 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 396.35 401.38 I think curved means just curved in one axis and double-curved is curved in two axes 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 401.65 401.97 Okay. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 402.61 403.35 or surfaces. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 403.35 403.98 I have no idea. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 403.37 409.43 I think it might mean something like that sorta shape because a double curve rather than a yeah that's what. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 410.19 411.65 Yeah that's what I see also. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 407.35 410.19 Mm-hmm yeah that's yeah that's what I see. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 410.69 413.1 Alright that makes sense okay. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 413.1 419.73 Um okay, with the interface we have the following options, we can u we can use push buttons,
IS1002c H01 MIE029 408.1 410.69 Oh okay oh like a wave, okay. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 419.73 425.33 we can use a scroll wheel with an integrated push button, and L. C. D. display, or multiple scrolling wheels. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 422.56 422.77 Ooh. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 427.12 436.72 Um so these are all options that the user interface guy can uh has at his disposal to put together a user interface. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 436.83 437.1 Okay. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 437.81 443.43 For electronics, we have these very technical um descriptions here. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 448.57 455.19 which is like the medium porridge the medium expense uh 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 443.43 448.57 A simple chip, which is the least expensive, but I have no numbers to give you, a regular chip 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 453.71 458.25 D do we have actually any concept of what the difference is between a simple chip and an advanced chip? 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 458.44 464.33 Yes the difference is, with a simple chip a simple chip will operate oh why doesn't this scroll up? 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 465.6 467.6 Previous previous, okay. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 478.88 485.26 but I I have a hunch that a regular chip is gonna be the scroll wheel and the multiple scroll wheels. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 470.93 478.88 Um an advanced chip is required to to operate um the L. C. D. display, and it didn't say specifically 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 467.6 470.93 A simple chip is required to operate push buttons. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 471 471.34 Okay. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 485.96 486.3 Okay. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 486.44 488.32 So but yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 488.66 489.69 Yeah that makes sense. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 491.14 492.25 That's the end of my presentation. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 491.36 494.06 So presentation from 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 495.91 497.42 I guess design would go best. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 498.76 499.28 Next. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 507.96 510.82 Technical functions or interface concept? 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 510.63 510.91 I think 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 511.7 513.04 Oh interface concept. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 516.59 520.9 Very long presentation. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 516.95 517.41 Yeah that's it. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 521.57 522.72 Yes, but it has your name on it. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 523.36 527.54 Well that doesn't bo bode well for it for it tats as well. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 537.85 541.51 They say they could put it to work but um we don't think so. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 528.74 537.85 Um so, somehow that thing's too big, but um okay um our uh manufacturing division wanted the speech recognition. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 541.54 541.79 No. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 542.65 547.36 It it it you'll be you know be affected by the by the other speech and 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 542.19 542.65 No. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 545.97 547.97 If the T. V. is working, yeah. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 547.97 551.59 That's just I mean it'll if somebody says up in the middle of a 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 552.73 555.58 television show, it's gonna change the channel. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 555.91 560.86 Yeah and and fighting for the remote would not be fun anymore, and I think that's one of the things we wanna keep. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 556.94 557.59 So 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 564.13 565.2 So if you pressed it and went, up? 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 560.16 564.13 But what if you actually had to press a button to make it recognize? 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 568.72 570.53 That would kind of lose it. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 565.07 568.72 That kinda would r d yeah. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 566.4 567.95 Well then why don't you just press the up button? 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 568.16 568.66 Man yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 570.02 572.22 But if it's just one thing with a button that you can just go 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 572.72 573.02 That's right. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 586.33 587.76 I think it's a bad idea frankly. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 577.6 586.33 It might not be it might not be completely confusing, but I think you'll still y it's still I don't think it's practical at all. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 573.09 577.6 Even still there's gonna be interf th there's there still will be interference from the T. V. . 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 573.19 573.54 Up. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 577.65 578.01 Yeah, okay. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 588.87 591.54 Yeah so um taking that away 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 591.54 611.95 our uh the the the rubber but rubber buttons are the more reliable it's the the ones that would al would allow us to to market our product as being you know less prone to damage and more resistant to things like spillage of liquids over it or you know mistreat misuses 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 589 589.26 Okay. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 592.21 592.89 You guys know your stuff. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 614.83 616.94 Um as for the 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 613.11 614.83 as it happens to remote controls. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 619.87 629.97 Well, we wanna small r remote control one side because uh we want it to be cool and uh designed,
IS1002c H02 MIO026 629.97 640.34 but um apparently um market shows that bigger s bigger um remotes get less lost, about 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 618.04 619.87 point that we making about losing it. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 639.54 640.32 That I would believe. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 640.53 640.78 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 641.09 641.29 Mm. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 641.42 646.62 But um yeah I think we we need to compromise between those two and somehow we'll do that. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 646.62 647.2 Somehow. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 663.02 668.28 so the numbers, the volume control, and channel control, and teletext access. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 647.91 663.02 Um so the the what I would propose is something more or less in the uh direction of what is to yo the right of that slide uh but without with a l a less complicated um design,
IS1002c H02 MIO026 668.28 676.27 Uh the volume and channel control can just become those the the four button array as in if it was a round dial. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 677.2 677.41 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 677.33 685.57 And um if you just think about it as the one to the right but with the numbers and the four buttons plus maybe a centre one with teletext. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 685.64 687.97 So we're suggesting doing a sorta scroll wheel thing for the volume? 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 692.72 697.12 so that you ba basically can control all of the important tasks from that alone. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 688.23 692.72 Ye no it's not i i it's just four buttons that are on a cross 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 689.27 690.28 That's not a scroll wheel. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 690.34 690.54 Nah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 692.36 693.04 Oh okay okay. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 693.04 693.32 I see. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 694.94 695.16 Right. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 696.45 701.29 Instead of play, stop, rewind, and fast forward there, that's up, down, louder, and quieter. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 696.86 697.26 Uh, okay. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 701.75 702 Okay. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 701.78 712.19 Yeah um yeah so I think we w we go for something mid-sized, so something looks good and uh is not too prone to get lost. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 714.37 714.73 That be it. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 715.41 715.53 'Kay. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 717.05 718.03 So on to 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 725.47 727.81 Y functional requirements or trend watching? 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 730.18 731.64 Trend watching I guess. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 731.64 732.61 Trend watching I believe. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 729.03 730.18 I dunno. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 729.76 731.53 Trend watching has a later date there. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 733.21 734.73 forty six nineteen fifty seven. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 734.73 734.83 Yep. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 736.75 737.26 It's been so long. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 734.72 736.75 See what it looks like. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 742.01 743.59 Well I don't know what to say. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 749.04 750.93 I see so many of 'em out there. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 743.59 749.04 When I s when I see the when I see the product I I I I don't wanna buy it. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 757.24 757.65 Yeah yeah. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 750.93 757.24 There's nothing about that product that makes me wanna choose that product over other products that are out there. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 757.68 759.43 That's not our that's not our b design 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 756.05 757.68 Are you talking about the picture? 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 759.43 767.65 that's just a that's just something he a a graphic he used to show you the layout of what the layout of the buttons might be like. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 759.68 759.98 Okay. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 764.68 765.03 Okay. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 774.69 781.76 And uh from from talking to Mike is that we have we have uh we can market a more expensive product now. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 767.92 774.69 Okay 'cause 'cause right now I don't have too much to say about how to market this product because we don't have a product to market yet. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 774.93 775.2 Mm. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 783.26 785.73 That's what I understand so, hello. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 786.23 788.01 Uh e excuse that, that's a bit of spam. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 784.16 786.23 Upper management said yes. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 788.58 796.12 And and so yeah I'm a I'm a little bit stuck right now in that what uh w what is it that I'm gonna market? 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 802.51 810.94 Uh I like the idea of of the scroll makin there are so many people making these products at this price right now. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 810.94 813.28 What are we gonna do to make this one special and unique? 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 796.12 802.51 Uh without special or increased marketable features I don't believe the product has a consumer demand. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 813.62 815.66 What's special and unique about a scroll? 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 820.23 822.16 I don't say it's specially mm 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 816.34 820.23 Uh well I don't yeah it's I I just see it as different. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 817.58 818.1 It's cool. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 823.33 824.37 I don't say it's special. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 830.84 835.09 I give me a lower price, give me a higher price, give me some new technology 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 825.64 830.84 Uh I say that it's different I what I'm looking for as marketing is m give me something different. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 835.09 839.26 don't give me the same thing that everybody else is putting out there on the shelf it's f at the same price. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 842.72 844 We're we're a new firm. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 840.54 842.72 I need something to market about this thing. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 847.23 849.44 the then we have that as well, but wi with a similar 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 843.46 847.23 I'd I'd say though that we if we did make the decision to go with the cradle though,
IS1002c H03 MIE083 847.16 856.25 What i if when when we have yeah when we when we have something like the cradle or or something give that's as as a marketing standard I need something to market 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 856.25 857.52 to make this product unique. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 856.4 874.43 Well right I think the two big th points that we have so far are the having the cradle and also having uh the um the actual design of the uh case itself having like this like rubber shell maybe with a plastic interior 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 874.43 879.15 having it look really nice um and also be really durable. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 873.41 873.61 Yep. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 889.92 893.9 so what I'm saying is, from my perspective, I don't have a product to market right now. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 879.28 879.71 Mm 'kay. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 884.18 889.92 And and so so uh yeah when we have a cradle, when we have some kind of design,
IS1002c H03 MIE083 879.71 884.18 Just remember when I made up this report I didn't have the information that we're discussing here. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 884.6 884.74 Yeah. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 883.43 884.6 Right yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 883.51 884.2 Mm. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 884.2 884.63 Course. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 903.72 909.52 That's that is the next step, there's technology and then there is technology, which we're moving into the next phase. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 895 903.72 Um uh my personal preference is that we make some adjustment in the cost, either lower or develop an integrated new technol technology. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 907.48 908.01 Yeah 'cause that's. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 910.14 914.81 And so uh we're gonna have some new technology to enhance the marketability. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 914.81 920.48 Yeah uh again I'm not sold on the product because we don't have a product in my opinion yet. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 920.07 920.25 Mm. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 924.57 926.56 I need a product to market. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 922.44 924.57 So I need a product. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 930 931.14 Tha that I'm not concerned with. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 926.56 930 And I just whatever product you guys put together, we'll find a way to market it. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 922.99 923.36 Mm 'kay. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 923.48 924.64 Well let's get a product then. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 933.4 934.28 So now 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 934.87 939.79 If you if you give me if you give me a cut-out of what everybody else has then I need to I need to find a lower cost. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 943.76 947.22 So our big questions here really are 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 951.28 954.14 Do we go basic or do we go for features? 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 948.58 951.28 cradle or not cradle? 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 955.31 961.39 Uh d does anyone really wanna do anything with the scroll wheel or should we ditch that off-hand first? 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 960.32 962.58 Well my question is what would the scroll wheel do? 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 964.26 966.11 Function-wise, what does that do that 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 966.02 969.47 Oh but that was in your presentation so wh what would you imagine it doing? 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 969.08 971.95 Yeah wh wh what's the wh 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 970.97 972.16 Yeah. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 972.16 975.72 Well it's it's just another way to do the exact same thing that the buttons do. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 976.85 977.23 Mm 'kay. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 980.76 986.65 So from a marketing standpoint I have I have another door to walk through when we have something that's unique. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 977.4 980.76 Okay now what I see with the scroll wheel is everybody has buttons. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 993.86 1001.74 But again, from a marketing perspective I want as much new and different about this thing as possible because we're we're co it's a very competitive market. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 986.65 993.86 If it creates something more complex or more expensive, then I don't know if that makes it uh a marketing necessity. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 977.71 978.37 But would we 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 986.47 986.61 Yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1007.06 1007.4 So I d 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1002.57 1007.06 What I understand about scroll wheels is they're they're quite expensive to to make. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1005.6 1005.78 Yeah. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1007 1010.81 Th they are gonna be more expensive, but on the other hand, I mean, it 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1025.98 1032.3 but I mean I would just use if I was gonna do this I would just use the scroll wheel for s channels up and channels down. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1013.17 1025.98 I mean it is an alternative if if you think that's gonna sell some some uh you know if if we're gonna make up the extra cost by extra sales I think maybe it's worth it to do it 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1034.02 1036.83 I don't think volume or do you think volume would be 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1038.55 1040.08 I'll bet first in volume maybe. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1038.21 1038.55 I dunno. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1040.08 1040.77 I dunno. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1040.24 1042.84 No we can we can do multiple scroll wheels but 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1045.03 1057.31 Well I d I like the idea of basically focusing the my personal preference is focusing the p the product on the idea of the uh the case the the uh 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1064.66 1068.08 It s i m makes it easy to market, it's easy to differentiate the product, yeah so. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1058.64 1061.03 dock to put it in to to charge it. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1061.03 1064.66 We can target like environmentally friendly ideas, that sorta things. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1064.1 1064.41 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1066.56 1068.36 I think it's that's right. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1068.36 1068.95 I think so. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1065.71 1066.56 Yeah yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1081.2 1083.65 It's gonna need to be more expensive because of the cradle. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1069.67 1081.2 And if we we keep the rest in a format that is durable because th th the whole product's gonna need to be more durable th thus because you're not going to be ditching it as often. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1078.15 1078.39 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1084.1 1084.26 Mm. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1084.88 1087.85 So if we can market it in terms of that and yeah well 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1087.65 1092.11 I think we got some exclusivity in that, you know, we got something that nobody else has right now 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1092.11 1099.67 and and that means we can we can make some adjustments in the retail or wholesale price if we need to and it also can create it's own demand from it's uniqueness. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1086.91 1087.65 Yep. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1090.95 1091.07 Yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1110.09 1112.36 but d do we have uh 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1100.48 1110.09 So our big decision then is like how do we do um like we have to decide on the details and we have to decide on well n not exactly the details 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1114.14 1115.47 What type of casing? 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1115.47 1118.6 I personally like what you were saying about the plastic with the rubber. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1119.15 1123.04 I'm thinking yeah something like kinda almost like these pens, you know 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1123.04 1130.99 where there's you have plastic bits and then it's not really rubber but just kinda like a fused the plastic with rubber on the outside. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1118.58 1119.15 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1131.69 1135.14 Just a very thin sorta sheet for a a grip, sorta thing or for 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1131.14 1131.69 Okay. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1133.58 1140.47 Well no ma yeah maybe a bit more then th is on here but ju just as a kind of an inspiration 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1140.47 1141.99 these pens I think are are kind of 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1142.28 1142.67 Okay. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1144.4 1158.79 So then if we d d do we want to do anything more basic with the uh more advanced with the user interface in terms of do we want to go for um buttons 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1158.79 1163.56 or do we want if we're ditching the scroll wheels do we want to go L. C. D. ? 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1163.56 1166.93 Do we want to give do we want to have anything else on it? 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1168.58 1169.41 It's only a T. V. . 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1170.45 1181.4 Or from from my perspective I think L. C. D. is a mistake because this is a universal remote and all you're doing I mean it's you're not gonna get any information back from the television 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1181.4 1189.73 so the only information you can display on this remote is what channel you just sent it at last and there's just not a lot of information,
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1190.78 1192.34 It receives no information. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1189.73 1190.78 you know, there. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1190.73 1190.96 Hmm. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1190.95 1191.24 Okay. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1200.21 1202.54 Unless you can think of something interesting to do with it. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1194.68 1200.21 So I I don't see any reason for having an L. C. D. 'cause it's an increased cost. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1200.29 1200.58 Yeah. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1203.28 1206.73 Yeah right now there's right now there's nothing coming out of the T. V. to receive,
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1206.73 1215.2 so you know unless technology changes and information starts coming out of the a cable box or something there's no s I don't see the, 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1207.39 1207.58 Right. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1216.39 1220.74 I don't see the necessity of an L. C. D. either. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1220.74 1221.28 Don't see it. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1223.04 1227.64 Okay so the question is now I guess we need t to 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1228.83 1232.89 decide on well y you guys basically have to now go and 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1234.34 1235.94 figure out the details of this thing. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1236.41 1245.98 what we need to know in terms of marketing and uh project management are are there any other questions that we need to answer now before you guys can go and build this? 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1235.94 1236.41 So 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1247.31 1250.48 What what overall things have we not decided on? 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1256.44 1258.03 There's the scroll wheel, in or out? 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1250.58 1256.44 Well we have to I think for me it's still not exactly clear exactly what the inter user interface is gonna be. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1259.41 1261.31 What do you guys like in the user interface? 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1262.31 1266.01 I think maybe in terms of marketing, is that gonna make enough of a difference to justify the cost? 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1277.71 1283.83 And so we can go with the same thing, but we're gonna be com competing in a in a broader market than if we go with something unique. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1272.3 1277.71 Uh again the push-buttons I I see are are everywhere. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1264.16 1265.91 Again. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1265.91 1272.3 Well I think it's it's the more uniqueness you can bring to the product, the easier it is, I believe, for me to market. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1284.92 1287.89 You know the other thing I thought about was you know, do we go to something like this? 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1290.68 1292.65 Make a remote that doesn't look like a remote. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1295.28 1298.48 It's just another it's just a an idea, and I don't know 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1298.32 1309.66 Well I dunno about like the flip-phone idea, because I think, as far as durability th it's not a big well maybe when it's closed. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1313.11 1319.05 when you got children, their their stuff gets inside the circuitry, they get dirty, they get messy with drinks and stuff. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1319.05 1319.6 This 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1308.34 1313.11 I mean what I see one of the things one of the things you brought up in an earlier presentation is,
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1310.84 1311.16 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1321.27 1321.53 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1323.8 1331.71 And what I keep throwing out there I just keep throwing out ideas to try to make this thing look or act or in some way identify itself as unique or different. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1332.67 1332.89 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1332.9 1336.25 But you guys are the ones that have to c ultimately create the product within cost. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1353.35 1355.43 Because the scroll wheel comes at quite a cost. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1350.87 1353.35 or do we really need the scroll wheel as well? 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1336.88 1350.87 Yeah and I guess th th the question th th that you're being asked right now is whether is the dock enough of a unique feature to be able to go out and sell that a a as a a very different product 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1363.06 1368.37 I think those are two very strong features, if that's something that can be integrated without a bunch of extra cost. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1359.25 1363.06 I think if you can have the base station with a with a locator,
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1356.67 1359.25 I think you gotta g get into cost effectiveness. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1353.35 1356.67 Oh okay phew. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1356.23 1356.45 Yeah. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1365.49 1365.91 Well 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1366.67 1367.04 The 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1367.39 1371.61 The locator's gonna require a radio transmitter, which will 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1370.93 1371.17 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1372.74 1375.13 That's gonna n is that gonna need a better chip as well? 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1375.91 1380.67 Um we're probably gonna have to go with a like a medium chip, s I would imagine. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1376.68 1377.7 No it's just different. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1383.62 1385.9 But we I we will need a receiver, an antenna. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1388.68 1392.08 So it's just uh I I think that's 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1387.38 1388.68 Integrated, yeah. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1388.32 1388.51 Yeah. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1392.02 1393.87 It should be a really simple signal though so 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1395.98 1402.91 I know personally that would be a very attractive feature, is to have a uh have a button I can push to find my remote control. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1402.62 1406.02 And it's presumably gonna need a little speaker in it or something like that as well to beep. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1406.36 1407.23 That's true yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1409.99 1414.39 But I guess a little tiny speaker is gonna be quite cheap, it's not gonna need q quality, is it? 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1414.39 1414.76 It's 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1413.72 1414.91 Oh yeah yeah. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1414.91 1415.95 It'll be really cheap. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1416.93 1422.26 Or maybe you can like have a a smell-o-rama, you know you push a button and it s puts out a stink. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1422.26 1423.8 You can 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1424.59 1425.95 Maybe not. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1426.04 1428.18 Makes your living room more fresh as you watch. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1427.44 1428.4 Yeah yeah yeah yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1434.43 1436.73 I think that uh 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1431.88 1434.43 Um we've got about another ten minutes. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1430.1 1431.88 Okay we're doing well for time here. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1430.83 1431.08 S 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1436.9 1437.79 So the scroll wheel, 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1439.09 1439.53 in or out? 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1448.38 1450.81 and I don't s think it's obvious and natural how it would be used. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1443.76 1448.38 I don't think the cost is justified for a little bit more uniqueness when we already have that 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1440.9 1443.76 Mm pr my personal preference is out. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1448.9 1449.15 Yeah. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1451.14 1458.93 Yeah I think we have like and it's not very usable and it will bring down the robustness of the whole thing, 'cause it's it it breaks down easier. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1456.8 1457.05 Mm. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1457.28 1457.53 Yeah. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1470.92 1474.89 when they see this one has a scroll wheel to go up and down on the channels. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1474.89 1478.77 I think it might be kinda neat to be able to do it like that. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1461.66 1465.69 I don't know exactly what the increased cost is gonna be, but I think he does have a point 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1458.92 1461.66 For me I think the scroll wheel actually might not be so bad. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1465.69 1470.92 i it might push somebody over the edge when they're looking at our at our remote versus something else 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1497.91 1500.33 You scroll it a bunch of times and you wait for it to 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1495.15 1497.91 Or do you have to go through and you wait for it? 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1479.59 1495.15 But then that that surely d depends a little on the T. V. because some T. V. s are quite slow at changing channels from like so if you've got a scroll wheel and you s you have to scroll scroll it really really slowly just so that you're actually keeping in pace with the T. V. 's ability to to change channels. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1479.7 1479.79 W 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1485.52 1485.81 Sure. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1495.76 1495.91 Yeah. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1499.57 1504.93 Well I think wh what it would be is like like the m like this, where it's maybe you know a digital 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1505.99 1510.46 wheel, right, where it's where it's quantized into you know certain 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1506.12 1506.36 Mm. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1509.44 1511.12 Oh yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1511.3 1511.8 That's where you 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1510.63 1511.3 Uh I see I see. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1511.94 1512.34 Yeah. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1511.96 1515.29 That was that was my my intuition of what the scroll wheel would be. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1513.76 1516.16 Ah I see I see what you're talking about now. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1516.16 1516.51 Okay. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1523.84 1526.21 It has the same exact functionality as two buttons. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1520.69 1523.84 It's just it's basically it it's just a f look and feel thing. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1537.11 1541.28 Instead of going button-to-bu you just j you'd j j j j j j. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1533.7 1537.11 and I see the scroll as a as a great mechanism for surfing. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1523.88 1533.7 I I think there's you know that uh there are so many people today that are that are surfing are television surfers 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1541.28 1544.83 I really I really think that's a really cool thing for surfing. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1537.28 1539.05 Yeah if you're just sitting there going 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1540.87 1541.07 Yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1541.44 1542.97 That's kinda cool actually. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1542.97 1543.48 I like that. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1545.17 1549.29 Now just just so you know though uh you did bring up a point which is very valid 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1552.47 1560.77 Some of them are gonna be kinda slow switching, so you may like queue up like fifteen channel changes, and it'll be like flip, flip, flip. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1549.29 1552.47 is a lot of T. V. s won't re the T. V. s won't respond exactly the same. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1561.01 1561.96 Well there's ano 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1561.6 1562.02 But 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1561.72 1562.99 Well not n necessarily. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1562.99 1570.24 You could basically make it so that it'll I mean it's just gonna be sending a signal to the T. V. yeah the T. V. 's ge so if you send about five flip channels 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1572.46 1573.05 If you do that. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1570.24 1572.46 if you did that it's gonna flip once. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1567.3 1567.56 Right. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1567.55 1567.84 That's right. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1572.47 1575.82 Yeah it just might be frustrating where you can't make it go as fast as you want 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1575.82 1579.95 but I think once people get used to it I I do like the idea of the scroll wheel though. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1574.26 1575.49 Other than click click click. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1576.2 1576.43 Yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1580.05 1585.93 And if we're marketing it as a high niche product, then we're gonna be selling it to people who are buying good T. V. s as well, yeah, presumably. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1585.48 1585.94 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1589.15 1595.55 Now the the only thing I I on the interface side of it, is that I I I see the dilemma. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1588.04 1589.15 I I think so. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1586.75 1588.04 Yeah I think so. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1587.33 1587.99 Primarily. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1588.29 1588.48 Yep. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1596.68 1606.37 But if we have the option of of scrolling at any particular speed, or the option of jumping direct, okay. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1606.37 1611.86 So I can go uh presuming I have, on my television,
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1611.86 1617.34 something that tells me what channel I'm on, I can scroll direct from channel five to channel thirty two. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1606.24 1606.41 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1639.22 1640.18 You understand what I'm saying? 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1618.72 1621.38 I know what because it's on the television. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1635.11 1639.22 So ca can we can we create that kind of interface within a scroll system? 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1634.36 1635.11 Okay? 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1621.38 1624.1 The television tells me what channel it's on when I change it. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1624.1 1628.46 So I don't know that really that's that's gonna be a a d problem 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1628.46 1634.36 'cause the television can go automatically from channel five to channel thirty two with the push of a button. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1633.95 1634.24 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1640.29 1642.64 I think I know what you might be getting at, or or 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1641.99 1646.25 Oh I see so if maybe if we had an L. C. D. up the top that just did a number on it, right? 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1647.15 1648.73 Oh no we could read it from the television. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1647.17 1648.63 And then it that basically 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1647.94 1657.63 Well, what about this what about if you can programme in your favourite channels into this scroll wheel and you can just like roll through your favourite channels 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1657.63 1658.66 and it c it 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1649.68 1649.9 Mm. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1658.31 1660.87 You'd need a display on the th the thing. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1657.51 1658.31 Well that's quite cool. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1660.32 1660.67 Why? 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1660.67 1662.52 It'll tell you when you flip the channel on the T. V. . 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1661.75 1664.1 Yeah the the television can tell you. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1664.1 1664.4 Can. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1663.43 1663.56 Yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1666.64 1667.76 Yeah that's kinda cool. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1667.76 1668.84 How would you program it though? 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1665.11 1666.64 Oh yeah yeah no I see what you're talking about. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1668.96 1670.27 Well you just it's one extra button. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1670.27 1677.51 You say programme start, and then type in 'cause you still have the typing you know you'll still have the keypad where you can type 'em in manually. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1677.51 1684.25 So programme start, zero, one, enter, zero, five, enter, thirty eight, enter, programme end. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1670.38 1670.76 Put 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1676.47 1677.03 Okay okay. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1684.91 1685.38 And then. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1689.15 1692.32 five, and then thirty six, and then zero, one again. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1692.32 1693.28 Yeah that's kinda cool. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1693.28 1693.85 I like that. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1685.08 1689.15 Okay and yeah and that just basically flips between it and it'll go it sends out zero,
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1688.22 1688.44 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1691.4 1691.64 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1695.06 1697.81 And again we have another another great marketing tool. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1697.81 1700.08 We have about three we have three or four things here. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1706.68 1710.86 You could basically come up with a partnership to be able to produce that quite cheaply. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1699.51 1706.68 That's not gonna be too expensive because that's gonna be you're gonna be able to nab that off of computer mouse manufacturers really. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1706.42 1706.67 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1714.31 1718.08 This may be something that's available through our own uh through our own services. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1710.94 1714.31 I dunno and an maybe we maybe even have this as in-house technology. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1711.37 1711.61 Yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1717.99 1721.49 Might be, but tha that's not gonna be such a costly feature. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1721.49 1723.79 The problem we're gonna have is making it robust. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1724.42 1733.03 Oh well we also have to determine in some manner how to switch between modes, between going through your favourites list and just hitting up one, up two. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1724.83 1725.66 Making it last. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1732.58 1739.34 Or we go directional up we go we go this we go this we go this way for one, we go this way for the other. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1734.75 1736.64 So if there's a button for each type. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1739.32 1741.95 No because you wanna be able to go up and down through the channels. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1741.56 1744.64 Yeah people are gonna have their favourite sorta, whether they do that or whether they 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1742.26 1742.92 Ah-ha okay. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1743.36 1746.93 Okay, okay, well then you just have, you have a diff you have a mode switch. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1744.99 1745.43 Right. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1746.32 1751.41 I think we'll need a we'll need a mode switch, but then if we have a mode switch we're gonna need some kinda indicator 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1746.61 1747.57 Yeah yeah the mode switch. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1753.88 1755.15 You could have back-lit buttons maybe. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1752.47 1753.88 Just the lights behind the buttons. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1752.58 1755.69 to which, an L. E. an L. E. D. okay. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1756.92 1757.95 Yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1758.45 1760.72 Is that okay we have five minutes. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1756.98 1758.45 Would that work? 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1760.72 1766.03 So right details th that we've talked about here are that we want a scroll wheel. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1758.55 1758.8 Okay. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1768.41 1771.31 We want a mode indicator. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1774.85 1777.32 We want back-lit buttons. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1786.34 1787.88 so that you know if it's actually pressed or not. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1787.88 1788.98 I've seen some remotes do that. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1780.24 1782.05 And if we're making back-lit buttons period 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1782.05 1786.34 do we want that just for the mode indicator or maybe to indicate what button you're pressing at the time 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1795.79 1799.55 It seems we're kind of approaching a higher-end range. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1790.45 1795.79 Just so you know I think I mean it was my understanding that before we were gonna stay in the mid-market range. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1799.55 1801.22 I wanna make sure everybody's okay with that. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1789.8 1790.45 Okay. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1799.12 1799.45 Yeah yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1799.48 1800.35 I think we are yeah. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1803.17 1803.85 Didn't you say so? 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1800.61 1803.17 Well you had acknowledged that we have more money for this. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1808.57 1808.83 Yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1803.14 1808.57 Yeah well we don't have it's not that we have more money, we can push up the the price. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1808.39 1809.5 We can increase the cost. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1807.7 1808.39 That's what I mean. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1809.62 1809.87 Okay. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1810.76 1813.04 So I don't know I don't know whether having 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1810.8 1811.18 'Kay. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1814.35 1814.73 So 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1812.09 1814.35 I just wanna make sure everybody's on board with it. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1814.37 1814.59 Yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1819.66 1823.24 though we haven't got to a stage where we're ready to pin down the price of components. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1823.24 1827.58 But I'd say what sorta price are we looking to be able to sell something like that, and what sorta price can we make it for? 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1816.88 1819.66 So we really need to be sure as to what we can push the cost up to 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1836.26 1839.74 because we do have a volume target of of fifty million profit. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1827.85 1831.18 Well I think th I think the design and technology has to come back and say 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1831.18 1836.26 okay to create this product we see it's gonna cost us this much for this volume 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1840.29 1845.37 Yeah no I I think that's where we really should be more flexible than anything else because as we said in the last meeting 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1848.02 1855.37 We're entering a new market here, so I think the the profit expectation for this one product is maybe not as important as being able to 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1845.37 1848.02 our management is really looking for us to push our brand. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1847.83 1847.98 Right. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1855.51 1856.74 Okay I'm I'm okay with that. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1865.33 1867.21 and then we have to take this to the next level. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1856.74 1865.33 I guess what I just want to me the next step is for these guys to come come in with the design proposal w with the cost estimate attached 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1866.78 1870.17 But th what's our ballpark as to what we'd be able to sell something like this for? 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1869.22 1869.63 Well y yeah. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1869.63 1876.22 Let's let's try and think now, how much would you pay for with all these features how much would you pay if you went to the store,
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1876.22 1880.16 and you were in the market f to replace your T. V. remote, how much would you pay for that? 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1870.36 1871.4 We have to find cost. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1880.94 1884.48 But you've gotta think who our target market is because I I'm not our target market. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1884.48 1886.01 I'm a student, but 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1882.65 1883.6 I'm just asking you. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1886.71 1887 If 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1887.17 1889.83 on the other hand I would think, 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1903.34 1906.59 which I think's a really cool idea, that would sell me on it a little. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1909.07 1912.79 I do I don't think I'd go over a hundred Euro certainly, that would be way too much,
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1891.01 1898.62 mm with my Project Manager salary, I would think yeah I could probably afford this uh would I buy it? 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1912.79 1919.41 but the I would be happy paying over forty for it, I guess, but not much 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1898.62 1899.01 Maybe. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1906.59 1909.07 Then maybe you know. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1899.01 1903.34 If I had a cool new T. V. and this was r looking really slick and it had the dock and it had the scroll wheel,
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1892.73 1896.51 Then you could probably afford this. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1911.51 1912.36 Oh no no. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1918.23 1919.98 I would say thirty five to forty. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1920.08 1922.13 Yeah, I was gonna say thirty five to fifty. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1926.11 1927.84 So the question is what we ca we make it for. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1923.26 1926.11 Thirty five to fifty Euros is our sales bracket okay. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1922.78 1923.26 'Kay. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1925.94 1926.19 Okay. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1926.15 1932.32 Because one of th one of the things we're marketing about this product is that this is the last one you will ever need to buy for your television. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1932.32 1934.09 It's one of the marketing features in this. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1931.57 1931.85 Right. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1931.88 1932.19 Mm. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1934.3 1936.45 That's why the scroll needs to be really robust. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1936.69 1945.11 Okay so we'll come up with something between thirty five and fifty that is rug rubber, robust, with scroll wheel,
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1945.11 1953.1 with the new facilities of the scroll wheel like favourite stuff, favourite channels, and and with a cradle, and yeah and the locator. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1949.93 1950.17 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1950 1951.93 With a cradle, radio transmitters, 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1954.78 1957.01 And it's gonna look sexy. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1953.24 1954.78 and back-lit buttons. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1957.26 1958.45 Or not. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1957.99 1958.91 Or not. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 1958.91 1961.32 It might look like clay. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1960.07 1963.79 Okay so you can market pe depending on that? 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1963.1 1965.08 Bas th that's that's easy. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1962.16 1963.1 Yeah yeah. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1965.08 1966.76 That's that's not a, it's a. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1968.6 1972.12 'Cause we have about six, six, seven features in that alone. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1973.94 1974.15 Yep. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1974.36 1975.82 Under the title of uniquenesses. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1974.4 1974.74 Cool. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 1976.34 1976.44 Hmm. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1980.61 1984.45 It starts at three twenty one, the next meeting. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1984.45 1986.5 So we've got more than a thirty minutes. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1986.5 1989.36 Um we've got more like fifty. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1977.35 1977.8 Okay. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1977.8 1980.61 The next meeting starts in thirty minutes, although does it? 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1988.28 1988.86 Well I have 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1989.91 1992.09 Is my three twenty one is the next meeting? 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1992.21 1994.58 The the ne next meeting is three twenty one yeah. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1994.36 1997.36 That's that's almost uh fifty minutes. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1998.62 2001.78 Uh they've they've changed the times from the presentations. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 1997.33 1998.62 Yeah that is. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 1999.08 2000.12 You guys can 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 2001.89 2004.01 You guys you guys can uh create a 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 2005.07 2005.9 All kinds of things. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 2005.67 2008.57 We'll let you know when we're done, if we can go earlier. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 2005.14 2005.67 Probably. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 2007.53 2009.33 Thanks, yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 2009.4 2014.35 Okay so you guys will be getting your modelling done now and uh 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 2013.36 2013.53 Yeah. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 2016.29 2021.63 Okay are there any other questions with regards to what this thing's gonna do, look like 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 2021.63 2027.95 how it's gonna work that need to be addressed before we really look at this in a lot of detail? 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 2028.18 2029.44 I don't think so. 
IS1002c H01 MIE029 2029.44 2031.8 If we have any questions we'll just email you I guess. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 2032.12 2032.4 Okay. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 2034.01 2035.66 Yeah I think it pretty much everything's covered. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 2036.5 2037.8 Okay. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 2037.8 2038.69 This one was quite easy. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 2040.04 2040.59 Coulda been worse. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 2041.88 2042.25 Still. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 2041.92 2043.46 Always the optimist. 
IS1002c H00 MIE080 2043.46 2044.35 'Kay thanks guys. 
IS1002c H02 MIO026 2042.95 2043.68 Yes I am. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 2045.11 2045.89 Thank you. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 2047.29 2048.48 I don't have any emails. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 2048.48 2050.4 This means I can go home. 
IS1002c H03 MIE083 2054.08 2056.31 Oh, we all leave. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 3.57 3.87 Uh 'kay. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 9.69 10.79 So 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 10.97 11.73 So so so. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 11.56 12.5 Put on your mic. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 12.96 16.8 So you forgot how this works again? 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 17.59 18.2 Boss. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 19.07 19.64 Yep. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 21.05 21.94 Boss. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 23.64 24.33 Maybe. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 24.33 25.56 Maybe maybe maybe. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 25.41 31.75 Okay so we're here to talk about the detailed design of the product, 'kay? 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 32.15 32.35 Yep. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 36.65 42.6 Uh I'm just gonna open, say a few boring words to start with again, and start taking minutes afterwards. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 48.1 48.93 Looks cool. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 42.6 48.1 You guys are gonna give us a presentation of our wonder product that I can see some demonstrations of over there. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 33.21 36.65 And here's the agenda for this meeting. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 49.27 52.75 And then we're gonna evaluate it. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 65.84 67.51 Got forty minutes to do this in. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 69.34 71.76 Let's try and keep this one on schedule. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 67.51 69.34 We should be fine. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 59.09 61.81 And uh yep. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 71.76 72.46 So 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 52.75 59.09 Then we're gonna talk about finance, and I've got a lovely Excel spreadsheet that I knocked up in the last five minutes for this. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 61.81 65.84 And we're gonna evaluate the product and close. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 51.53 53.75 Bra 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 58.81 60.46 Hmm you knocked it up? 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 71.23 71.52 Alright. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 75.48 76.02 Your 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 80.09 80.53 Is it in 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 77.7 80.09 thing is in where is it? 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 79.73 81.15 Thi third third third. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 80.2 81.36 Three, three. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 82.74 83.77 The end product thingy. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 87.04 87.35 Yeah. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 88.84 89.28 Who wants it? 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 91.3 91.89 Pedro can have it. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 96.39 97.44 I like I'll help talk. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 97.5 101.48 Um yeah so what we ended up with. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 119.31 120.34 Um 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 112.41 119.31 someone forgot the units there yeah, uh unit price unit production price cost thing. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 103.65 112.41 Production costs estimated by our manufacturing department and um the research department, which is us, is uh fifteen point eight Euros,
IS1002d H01 MIE029 113.52 114.28 Unit price. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 131.34 136.37 scroll wheel for uh the the channels,
IS1002d H02 MIO026 120.74 131.34 we implemented the basic functions, which is just T. V. functions plus the locator, which was one of the marketing things, cradle 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 136.37 145.3 and uh we implemented the f the the way of putting the new and revolutionary zapping, your favourite channels functionality, in the scroll. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 145.69 147.07 Zapping your favourite channels, eh? 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 147.35 147.65 Yeah. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 148.04 149.47 Scrolling through your favourites list. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 149.47 150.13 Oh okay okay. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 150.15 151.18 Zapping you know zapping. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 151.9 153.25 Ah 'kay okay, that's favourites. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 156 157.76 And um yeah that was the result. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 152.63 156 Maybe it's just a Portuguese thing. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 159.03 160.81 Ah 'kay. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 160.81 163.16 I like the the the the logo on there as well. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 163.91 164.82 It's very prominent. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 166.11 166.89 So this is the 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 165.35 166.11 It is very prominent. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 175.01 185.41 Um so the scroll bar is or the scroll wheel is this this green little scrolly guy here, um and then the volume controls are here and here. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 192.18 199.2 Uh we have our um we have the enter button and uh what was the other button here? 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 185.41 190.67 Uh you've got the keypad which is the numbers uh f from zero to nine and then ten. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 168.05 175.01 So here I'll give you the so this is the cradle unit, and this is the actual remote itself. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 190.67 192.18 This is the power button. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 185.05 185.45 Okay. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 201.67 202.8 This is the teletext. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 201.9 205.97 Start s the the start uh to to to programme yeah. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 204.8 207.69 The programme button, yeah the programme button. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 216.18 223.67 So um the plastic is the white area of this of the model here, and the red area is like a rubber covering. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 207.69 216.18 So this bl this button will be used both for the favourites and for programming your uh the um the type of television you wanna use. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 223.67 228.69 So you can see that when it lays like this or like this and the buttons are all gonna be rubber 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 228.69 232.32 so it's pretty hard to actually damage it um 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 206.38 207.25 Ah, okay I see. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 223.96 224.54 It's pretty cool. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 232.26 236.64 Is that could that be easy to for the scroll wheel to be rotated if it lands on it? 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 237.43 239.37 Yeah that might be a possible 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 240.9 244.59 a mi uh possible problem, but if you drop it yeah. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 243.25 245.57 Not helping. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 246.31 248.69 Oh well I guess it depends on the stiffness a little of it. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 253.44 254.09 You can feel it. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 249.38 253.44 Yeah and it depends on if it's sliding, but I think it's pretty ergonomic. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 254.73 255.99 Mm. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 256.5 260.45 I take it that this is gonna be slightly lighter in the final design as well. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 255.99 256.5 Feels good. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 259.38 260.54 Yeah of course. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 260.54 261.83 Well this is clay. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 262.75 264.89 Yeah it's kinda cool. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 264.89 266.13 You have to reach a little bit don't you. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 265.52 269.83 Yeah the the power button is a bit of a reach, but I think we might scale down the final model a bit. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 269.83 272.7 These this is a bit larger than it would be, but 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 269.44 270.64 Ah yeah that wouldn't make sense. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 273.66 274.27 It's cool. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 274.27 274.81 I'm impressed. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 275.13 276.44 Don't have no one to handle that. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 277.58 282.14 Mm that's oh that's oh I like it. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 282.14 288.14 I mean you guys gave me more than I was asking for, so I'm happy because we've got some really marketable features in this. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 277.95 280.45 And hold it so wh what's the marketing perspective? 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 292 293.04 Good good good job. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 290.6 292 Yeah I think it's good. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 294.23 297.5 Mm Pedro can demonstrate the the paging ability. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 296.24 296.62 Yeah. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 297.19 303.05 So you ha you have like the the base station with um the little button for the where's my remote. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 303.27 303.95 Beep beep beep. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 304.08 305.49 Uh pla 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 307.22 308.48 The locator function. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 307.35 307.68 I'm ha 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 308.2 309.52 Okay. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 310.36 311.16 That's great. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 311.16 312.14 It's a great feature. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 308.95 310.36 It's great. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 332.47 334.22 Um no no no tha that's alri 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 326.11 332.47 Beep beep beep okay. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 311.49 326.11 Um beep beep beep so beep beep beep beep beep beep be shut up. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 312.14 314.97 Mm it's impressing. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 314.97 317.24 So let me get it, if I press this button 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 314.08 322.6 Wicked isn't it? 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 320.01 320.92 That's pretty cool. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 318.33 320.01 I see. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 320.92 321.31 Hang on. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 324.16 328.83 So you can take this ho take this home with you tonight and you can push that and he'll be across town 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 329.61 333.69 I plan to do that as well. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 333.69 338.32 So the the two blue are are those for the the it to charge off of in? 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 355.89 359.48 but we couldn't figure out what button is important enough to put there. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 359.48 362.7 And we we don't wanna accidentally be hitting the power button like that so 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 337.84 340.01 Exactly that's exactly what those are for. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 344.45 355.89 is um you could beep beep beep we were thinking that it might be interesting to have a trigger button here because you have this finger it it's it kinda feels like there should be something there 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 340.01 344.45 And um there's one other feature that we were debating, but we decided to go against it 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 338.96 339.59 Ah okay okay. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 352.87 355.2 Yeah it's the right shape isn't it? 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 366.45 368.3 'cause then it would need to be hit on both sides. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 361.91 366.45 But maybe if you had a trigger plus the scroll then that would get past the the problem of it landing and scrolling 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 363.86 364.06 Mm. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 366.28 366.51 Right. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 368.12 371.58 So maybe in a final design phase we might tweak that a little bit, but 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 371.2 371.55 Okay. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 372.93 374.08 Uh, I can see that. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 373.51 377.37 But it's definitely got options for like different types of models and things as well based on that, hasn't it? 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 376.73 377.01 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 380.9 381.22 Good job. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 379.2 380.9 Yep I like. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 382.15 384.19 So is that the the final colour scheme as well or? 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 383.45 386.02 No no. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 384.38 387.37 Oh no this is just what we had to work with at the time. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 387.8 388.09 Okay. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 388.84 391.15 So we'll leave the colour scheme up to the marketing people. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 391.89 392.8 The hmm. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 396.63 396.97 Careful. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 398.66 401.56 The scroll wheels, a problem with them not being sort of 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 397.39 398.66 It came off. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 404.16 405.86 Well I mean of course, I mean 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 404.44 406.7 I don't think the user interface guy wants to touch it anymore. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 406.32 411.62 My my s my suggestion is we're gonna go go to the silvers and blacks like most of the televisions. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 411.54 411.83 Mm. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 412.85 414.51 You know some blend of silvers and blacks. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 417.47 421.1 Beep beep beep. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 419.16 421.34 Okay enough of that. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 421.34 422.35 Well i it's cool guys. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 423.6 426.62 'Kay so are we done with the this presentation? 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 427.03 427.21 Yeah. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 427.32 427.63 Ja. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 427.97 428.42 Okay. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 432.96 433.37 Now now. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 437.24 441.66 So you're not gonna find my uh my folder up there I gotta do mine up at the board. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 443.18 443.5 Okay. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 442.89 443.18 Have you? 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 443.76 444.11 Yeah yeah. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 445.21 447.45 So 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 447.38 450.2 Can I not get your get at stuff from your shared folder now? 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 461.91 471.37 So what I had, basically going from the PowerPoint format, is that uh yeah yeah I like this a lot. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 450.49 455.81 No it's not in there because I had the computer problem and I I I cou I couldn't create it. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 455.81 461.91 I couldn't create it in the PowerPoint, and I think I've got this really strange cable. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 453.3 454.1 Oh I see I see. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 473.66 479.71 Is this one of the tests is to see how we can adapt to s changing situations in the in the meeting room? 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 480.35 483.14 Nah. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 483.14 485.11 So what we had is we had the method. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 488.64 490.01 That's not how you spell method, is it? 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 490.98 491.56 No way. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 491.73 493.2 No A. . 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 497.77 500.32 So this doesn't go so fast this way. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 503.1 507 And when I speak about method I speak about the marketing of the product huh. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 523.09 524.69 We've got the features, 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 514.96 523.09 And uh to me with this product we got uh we got basically three things to market. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 528.28 530.74 we have the uh characteristics, 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 535.48 542.27 and we have the I I don't know what we would call the other part what we call you know the the the 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 544.13 545.95 corp corporate 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 547.38 547.92 Help me. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 561.41 568.75 we've got the dependability, we've got you know the features that make this a unique product. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 553.69 561.41 So the features I think we got the scroll, we've got the uh the locator, we've got the durability,
IS1002d H03 MIE083 568.75 569.3 Um 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 550.53 553.69 The the corporation stands behind the product, okay. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 559.75 560.52 It fell off. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 565.29 565.84 Beep beep beep. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 579.99 586.11 Uh and the corporation, we're talking about we're we're a new we're a new company. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 588.34 594.28 We're wanting you to uh find our product so we're gonna give you a good product at a fair price. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 569.86 579.99 the characteristics I talk about, we have reliability, we have comfort, we have ergonomics, we have environmentally s sensitive. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 586.11 588.34 We're wanting to make a name for ourself. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 594.5 605.63 One thing I would want to to see is uh is can we can we get a lifetime uh guarantee on this product,
IS1002d H03 MIE083 617.62 619.98 That was something I would be interested in. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 605.63 613.27 a normal use guarantee, which means that this product, for the for the life of of the life use,
IS1002d H03 MIE083 613.27 617.62 if it should have a technical problem, that we could re replace it at no cost? 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 619.98 629.11 Um so yeah without uh going into great details, we have a we have a product, it has the features and the characteristics, and the background,
IS1002d H03 MIE083 638.42 644.45 We're gonna be competitive, and we're gonna we're gonna have a market niche. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 629.11 638.42 I believe, to make it marketable I believe at a cost of of of thirty thirty five to to fifty Euros. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 644.45 645.46 Um w 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 652.52 653.73 but lowering our profit margins? 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 645.24 652.52 Do you would you a argue that that we're better going for the higher cost than bringing it down into twenty f five as we probably could 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 654.21 663.55 That that would be uh that would be I think a decision best made by corporate um I I m for my evaluation, based on what our competition is 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 663.55 673.31 I th I think that that we can go after this and and and go after more of the uh exclusivity sense than the mass market sense. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 673.74 674.02 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 675.2 675.47 Mm 'kay. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 677.97 681.26 But I'm sh I'm sure open to to market this in either direction. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 692.5 697.35 The only limitations I see to this is that we're focused on television only. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 683.39 692.5 But you guys came up with a great product, and at that cost I think it uh there's nobody else that's putting this this combination of of ingredients together. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 701.53 709.38 But with all of these other features I think people c one thing I'm I'm hoping for is people are not gonna even notice. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 697.63 701.53 Uh that's the only that's the only drawback I see to this. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 709.38 715.32 There's gonna be somebody going home and say oh sh this thing doesn't work for my D. V. D. and my but I like these other things,
IS1002d H03 MIE083 715.32 716.78 so they keep it, they don't take it back. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 722.31 725 Th there's no fundamentally different technology to do that. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 716.4 722.31 And we're actually quite open to be able to expand the product for a later version with those features quite simply anyway, aren't we? 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 722.89 730.13 Well one of one of the thoughts that I had is can can this unit be be produced in a way that makes it upgradable? 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 738.55 742.39 You know is there a card in th can we make a card and so after 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 731.84 738.55 You know uh like like a um a sim card in a in a um in a telephone. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 732.21 732.46 Hmm. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 741.51 747.19 W we need we need we need s some more buttons if it would to work on some other stuff, but 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 746.46 746.7 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 746.68 749.26 Mm-hmm, but you follow what I'm s I'm s 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 748.63 752.86 We we w yeah we could get another version of it that actually works. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 752.86 753.79 But uh 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 752.53 759.46 Yeah 'cause if if we can make this unit upgradable then we're yeah but then we talk about changing the warranty concept and everything 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 762.07 763.86 Uh to me the only additions 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 759.46 762.07 but that's that was just an idea I had. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 766.33 770.69 or making it less b because at the moment it's actually very straightforward to look at all the buttons,
IS1002d H00 MIE080 770.69 772.93 you know what they do, it's very simple, and it just works. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 762.68 766.33 Yeah, the plus there's the the risk of making it unusable as well 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 771.57 771.74 Yeah. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 773.55 773.81 Yep. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 774.04 775.09 Mm there's a risk of that. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 775.54 777.11 But anyway that's uh 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 779.57 781.59 Okay so we can talk about finance now. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 786.78 790.19 you when you talked about the fifteen point eight Euros, I was wondering how you came up with that figure? 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 782.99 786.78 So I have a little spreadsheet for us where I I was wondering,
IS1002d H01 MIE029 791.24 798.07 Well, that was just just our technical team added up the um production costs of the individual units. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 797.91 802.83 Okay so I have bit of a spreadsheet here for this. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 803.65 805.51 Very co very colf colourful. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 803.65 804.01 Now 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 803.75 804.13 Oh. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 822.84 828.89 Uh and I'm assuming that the locator beacon, the you know the 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 812.86 822.84 equivalent to solar cells, which I think is probably fair considering that we have in-house manufacturing of power adaptors already. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 804.85 812.86 I've made a f few assumptions here in that I'm assuming that our power adaptor we can make for a cost of four Euros,
IS1002d H01 MIE029 809.62 809.83 Uh-huh. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 822.21 822.46 Uh-huh. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 829.21 829.5 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 829.48 829.7 Yeah. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 829.78 830.24 beep beep beep. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 830.59 839.64 Can be made for it sounded different that time uh can be made for a similar price to uh an L. C. display, uh an uh 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 834.27 838.07 Oh, sorry. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 840.49 843.36 Uh do you think that's fair coming from a m the manufacturing? 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 843.7 848.57 Yeah um I do think we that we we uh don't need the events chip on print,
IS1002d H01 MIE029 848.57 854.46 we only need the uh the regular chip on print, so there may have been a m miscalculation in there. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 851.96 852.29 Okay. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 853.62 853.77 Yep. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 858.42 858.7 Okay. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 860.15 861.75 So we're down to sixteen point four, yeah. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 861.24 863.95 And we and we have a single-curved uh 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 865.64 867.63 Is that a single-curved rather than a double-curved? 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 868.76 870.08 Uh I think that 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 873.87 876.87 I don't know whether that. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 870.88 873.87 We've got a we've got a curve and a droop. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 871.17 873.28 We're not entirely sure what single-curve versus double-cur 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 874.94 876.9 It's single-curved, yeah. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 876.07 876.46 You think? 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 876.46 878.4 Okay I'm convinced. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 880.47 882.81 But we save one Euro that way, yeah? 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 882.81 884.12 So we come bring it down to 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 885.67 886.9 Fifteen point four. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 887.94 892.64 So yeah it's fifteen point eight, that's where we came up with it. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 885.83 887.94 See it's a little bit more than f single-curved. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 892.86 899.24 Do don't speak so it's in here, in that w do we have any we have special form don't we? 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 901.3 907.92 But the the the we haven't talked about any special colour though uh I don't th if we're going for greys and silvers then I don't think we're 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 891.36 892.86 Well hang on. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 899.24 901.3 So that's yeah. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 894.58 894.94 Okay. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 898.34 898.67 Yeah. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 898.61 899.19 Yeah we do. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 901.35 903.64 What do you know. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 900.55 901.35 Ah. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 905.12 908.89 Oh it's a that's not very special, it's pretty 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 909.15 910.75 O okay so we're 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 910.03 913.93 If th. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 911.64 920.08 Push-button, scroll wheel, we're basically we have uh th is this intended to be a button as well or just a scroll? 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 920.08 920.7 Just a scroll? 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 920.7 924.17 It's not one of the scrolls where, for example, with this one you could push it down to be a button? 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 911.71 912.11 We don't 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 918.89 919.58 It's a scroll. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 919.32 919.95 That's a scroll. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 924.87 927.45 Uh no we just use it as a scroll. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 926.42 926.79 Ooh. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 927.94 930.96 Okay then we have fifteen point eight Euros. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 931.35 933.73 It was a pretty accurate estimate I would say. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 932.83 933.76 It wasn't bad. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 933.03 933.43 Yes. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 934.5 936.64 Yeah. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 935.82 936.22 Awesome. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 934.58 935.82 We're wicked. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 937.17 938.13 Okay so 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 939.24 940.64 we're on to the 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 939.7 942.75 S 's kind of s frighteningly accurate. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 942.31 942.78 Yeah. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 942.96 944.84 We're on to the pat-on-the-back part of the 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 947.11 957.52 presentation, where we have a look at the criterias th that Paul the criterion criteria that Paul has has given us, and we can use that to tell 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 959.38 959.98 How's it going? 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 964.26 965.37 How how have we done today? 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 961.85 964.26 Anyone got any thoughts? 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 963.43 963.57 What? 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 966.17 967.09 I think we did pretty well. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 967.6 967.79 Yeah. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 968.04 969.41 I think we did pretty well too. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 969.41 970.73 That looks pretty spectacular. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 971.08 979 No, I think we come up with a with a attractive marketable um product and and concept. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 988.68 990.03 Any other chang uh thoughts? 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 997.06 1000.62 Okay so th th what about um room for creativity? 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1003.54 1004.53 That was mm-hmm 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1003.67 1005.6 Is it the. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 1005 1007.71 Sh I think there was plenty of room. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 1007.71 1008.93 We got a couple innovative i 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1006.75 1006.93 Yeah. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1006.92 1009.35 I I think we we ended up being quite creative there. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1027.51 1033.53 So you know you know if this thing flies then we've we've adjusted or broken every every idea they gave us. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1009.64 1023.66 Yeah well we we we kinda broke we kinda at least adjusted every every criteria they gave us because we d we still have the the teletext capability in this thing right,
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1023.66 1027.51 we raised the price of it, we've added two t new technology to it. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 1010.42 1011.58 Couple innovative ideas. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1019.2 1019.42 Mm. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1022.9 1023.09 No. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 1023.1 1023.32 Mm-hmm. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1025.15 1025.59 Yeah. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1034.32 1038.96 Not every idea necessarily, it's still a remote control. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1038.96 1043.52 Uh no yeah but we did we did break with the specs a little bit I guess, but the uh 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1034.39 1035.05 Basically. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1037.54 1038.66 Yeah yeah yeah yeah. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1043.88 1049.06 But I like I mean when I say we have we had I believe we have room for creativity 'cause w this is we did it. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1051.28 1054.7 'Kay leadership, what do we report back to the bosses? 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1054.7 1059.65 No th th I think they were r reasonably flexible with us over the whole changing the specs thing. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1060.65 1066.16 It was more of a teamwork thing then really leadership based project was 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 1060.74 1061.14 Yep. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1064.74 1065.29 I agree. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1067.88 1068.55 Teamwork. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1067.92 1070.91 Cohesive yeah. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1070.91 1073 Yes synergistic yeah. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1069.91 1070.48 Synergy. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 1070.94 1074.38 There was a lot of synergy. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1072.61 1078.91 Teamwork, yeah he is uh. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1078.41 1078.82 Yeah. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1080.24 1083.76 What did we think of the meeting room, I guess is an important thing here. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 1085.68 1088.29 These cables suck. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1085.82 1086.04 Mm. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1087.92 1093.09 Yeah, this falls off and uh the white board worked really well without any pro 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1088.52 1088.83 Yeah. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 1090.05 1090.27 Yep. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1090.86 1091.38 And that's 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 1092.47 1092.79 Yeah. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1094.08 1097.15 That's way far down lapel mic. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1092.59 1094.08 D you must have very long shirts. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1098.95 1101.16 Wha okay, oh, alright. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1097.9 1098.95 Mm-mm, lapel. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1098.48 1102.42 Lapel lapel lapel. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1102.42 1110.32 That's almost a crotch mi cr 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 1099.29 1099.77 Lapel. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1104.6 1106.51 That's it's down, it's quite close. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1104.93 1113.47 You know you know what they're gonna have on the recording in there from that microphone is your lunch digesting you know th 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1107.31 1108.59 Keep it, keep it calm. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1110.54 1119.92 Oh dear oh dear. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1120.38 1124.85 So yeah the the pen came in alright and it's a little uncomfortable to use but I guess it works. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1117.52 1120.38 No more pizza for me. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1110.99 1117.52 Oh dear. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1126.71 1127.44 Still that 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1124.58 1126.71 'Cause this is you were using it o upside down. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 1127.55 1133.48 That's our boss. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1143.91 1145.14 I don't care. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1140.85 1143.91 but it feels more comfortable, wh what you call upside-down. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1145.14 1148.3 Uh okay so that data might be slightly invalid. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1128.18 1133.63 Nah, I'm I'm not convinced of that at all. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1133.63 1140.85 I've been wor I've been wondering about that all day, but see these look like they're that looks the oth that looks like it would be that way around,
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1148.3 1149.67 What new ideas have we found? 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1138.11 1139.11 Use them like that. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 1139.72 1140.36 Pedro's right. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 1142.54 1143.5 Pedro's right. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 1151.92 1152.6 Oh wel 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1152.06 1157.86 New ideas f uh for the product or for the the the the environment or what are we ta 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1159.47 1160.56 Uh for the product? 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1157.51 1159.47 Well let's do both then. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 1160.96 1164.08 Well we had the favourites list, and the scroll bar, and we have the cradle, 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 1165.21 1167.56 and the r uh remote call feature. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1166.75 1166.9 Oh. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1168 1169.36 Yeah we came up with quite a bit. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1169.33 1170.67 Bunch of new ideas. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1171.15 1173.35 And for the meeting room, Has anyone got any more 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1174.78 1176.85 Yeah comfortable headsets would be nice. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1176.9 1178.3 Yeah less sore on the ears. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1177.03 1185.3 Well I I mean clearly remote control microphones would be the would be a nice solution to all these cables 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1193.21 1198.36 It's not been uh it's not been cooperating so well, but I don't think that's the 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1190.08 1193.21 And of course I did not have so much fun with my computer this afternoon. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1185.3 1190.08 but I'm sure that there's there's some justification for these things that I don't know about. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1177.93 1178.29 Mm. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1199.96 1200.7 that's avoidable. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1201 1201.59 Coulda been worse. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1202.33 1203.52 Okay so 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1204.59 1205.56 Are the costs within the budget? 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1205.83 1207.38 Mm n no. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1206.45 1206.67 No. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1211.5 1212.56 No requirements are changed. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1206.75 1207.4 Nope. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1212.56 1214.48 We're still under twenty Euros to build, so we're good. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1207.4 1211.5 Oh hang on it really that's something we that the costs were under twelve fifty Euros. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1216.05 1219.35 And the costs within the budget? 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1223.83 1228.16 Mm I think so yeah, then celebration as it says. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1222.41 1223.83 Is the project evaluated? 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1219.35 1222.41 Not the original budget, but they are now. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1228.7 1230.36 Free coke provided at the cafeteria. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1226.21 1228.7 Hooray. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1227.58 1228.23 Okay. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 1230.46 1231.31 All right. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1232.15 1232.91 Uh anyway. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1230.74 1232.15 Oh I don't know how that got there. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1233.13 1235.53 Who wrote that one? 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1234.63 1235.51 Thank 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1239.34 1240.28 Congratulations. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1237.2 1239.34 So we need to close this meeting, yeah bravo. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1237.67 1238.2 Thanks guys. 
IS1002d H02 MIO026 1240.38 1240.85 Cool. 
IS1002d H01 MIE029 1240.59 1241.43 Good job guys. 
IS1002d H03 MIE083 1241.82 1246.9 S I've got a lot of paperwork to catch up on so let's close this and come back and 'kay. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1245.7 1247.65 Yeah, I've got a lot of paperwork to catch up on too. 
IS1002d H00 MIE080 1249.75 1250.19 Oh. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 75.11 75.73 So we can start? 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 76.31 76.48 Yeah. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 78.41 81.14 Suppose I have to do my presentation. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 81.14 84.34 Eh um 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 80.26 80.8 Ah okay. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 83.96 84.97 It's Ada Longmund? 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 85.16 92.16 So, I'll present myself, I'm Ada Longmund, and as you may know it, I'm the pr project manager. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 94.12 98.69 So um we will have to 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 104.46 116.66 Our project project is to create um a new remote control and as you may know there's lot of industrials interesting in creating a remote control,
IS1003a H00 FIO017 116.66 122.57 so the remote control has to be original, trendy and um user-friendly. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 101.51 104.46 um speak about m the project. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 127.86 128.22 Record. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 131.55 133.46 So the project method is the following. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 135.44 150.29 So if we're um the functional design, you have to do uh any individual work and uh also work with uh meetings talking with each other. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 150.29 156.88 Uh it will be the same for the conceptual design and also the same for the detailed design. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 158.18 158.58 Uh. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 164.55 168.52 The tool training is to try out the white board, so 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 167.9 168.13 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 168.14 170.22 Maybe someone ha we have to this whiteboard, yeah? 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 172.02 174.27 Maybe you can draw your favourite animal 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 175.54 180.31 and make a list of its favourite characteristics. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 176.8 177.79 So right now? 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 181.73 184.07 I don't know if we have to do it now, maybe later later. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 182.61 185.07 So yeah I think you can do it. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 184.04 184.66 Yeah, I don't know. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 195.66 199.67 I think it's quite good price, yeah. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 188.09 193.69 So the selling price of the product will be twenty five Euros. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 194.65 195.66 Yeah. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 193.69 194.65 Yeah. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 199.67 200.64 And uh 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 192.63 194.48 Twenty five Euros? 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 193.58 194.03 Mm. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 199.09 199.62 Twenty five. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 196.39 199.09 I it's it's reasonable, s quite yeah. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 198.12 199.41 It's reasonable, I think, yeah. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 204.45 204.7 Is 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 204.48 206.59 it will uh be a 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 232.74 245.07 Um just uh maybe be imaginative with remote const con controls, try to create something new and people would like to to buy. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 207.75 223.51 an international remote control, as we want to sell it in the entire world, and the product costs will be not more than twelve Euros and fifty centimes. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 223.51 232.74 So, as you will discuss about the remote control you will have to experience your um with the remote control. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 246.85 251.58 And and the next meeting will start in thirty minutes, 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 254.4 263.49 so you'll ha all have your spethisfispis specif specific role and you know I suppose you know what you have to do. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 263.49 279.02 And uh you will have to work on the design and also to work on the design of th technical fun functions of the remote control and think of the user requirement specifications. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 263.77 265.47 I I hope so 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 261.87 263.77 Yeah. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 283.52 284.77 AMI and okay. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 279.27 283.52 Those things just refer to each of each of us, I think. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 282.87 283.06 Yep. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 283.17 283.42 Yeah. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 284.85 285.58 I. D., yeah. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 286.1 286.27 Yeah. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 287.23 287.9 So 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 287.39 289 I. D. is for the Industrial Design, yeah? 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 289.27 289.62 Okay. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 290.08 294.11 And U. I. D., it's for the User Interface Designer, yeah? 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 292.77 293.14 That's me. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 293.32 295.05 Okay, and Marketing Expert, it's me. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 295.24 296.37 AMI yeah project. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 296.6 298.49 So I will manage all all the group. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 297.85 300.27 you will be the manager yeah. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 298.89 300.26 You can manage all this, yeah. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 301.01 301.38 Okay. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 301.24 301.41 Good. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 302.39 303.52 So you have questions? 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 306.7 307.33 Um. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 308.82 309.33 Not really. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 309.9 314.97 So you all know what the parts of the work you have to do. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 315.14 315.31 Yeah. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 315.81 318.06 So which you, the Industrial Designer. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 317.93 321.3 No I'm user interf I'm user interface design. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 318.87 320.61 I am the Industrial Design, yeah 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 321.62 321.85 Okay. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 321.97 322.7 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 322.7 323.05 And you? 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 323.58 326.44 I am the Industrial Designer so. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 325.74 326.2 Mm okay. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 327.06 328.64 So what's the difference between 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 326.2 327.06 Okay. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 327.05 327.19 Yeah. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 330.29 335.44 user interface design d industrial design? 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 331.64 331.93 Hmm. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 332.44 333.81 I mean, you have to know. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 333.81 334.62 Ah, you have to know it. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 333.84 338.19 It's difficult. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 335.99 338.48 It's your job, so I hope you you know what it is. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 339.16 340.04 You know very soon. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 340.74 342.57 Yeah, I think so. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 343.05 343.68 So 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 343.36 343.55 Mm. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 343.91 349.38 I suppose you have to design it and you have to take care of the industrial way to transform it. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 351.74 356.35 You you de you implement the core functions in the 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 348.87 351.74 Okay, so I make uh u user interface. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 349.8 350.06 Yeah. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 353.09 355.41 And i maybe you will transform it. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 355.72 364.3 I I think the user the user interface design is he will design how the user will you know the relation between the user and you know the remote control so 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 360.85 361.3 Use it. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 362.74 363.69 Make make yeah. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 365.32 368.92 And the uh industrial design, it is how the object will look like. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 374.55 377.24 I design the user f user interface, you design the function. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 369.44 374.55 Maybe I think uh uh i industrial design's uh, it's the function design. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 370.75 372.11 So the materi 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 370.02 370.75 Yeah. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 378.09 379.89 Maybe, it is the outside and the inside. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 380.02 380.15 Yeah. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 384.04 384.33 Okay. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 385.7 386.44 Okay right. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 386.44 391.95 But I was thinking that he's a user 'cause the user interface to design for example where the but button will be, you know. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 385.79 386.05 Okay. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 392.24 392.61 Yeah yeah. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 393.95 394.15 Okay. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 393.06 393.95 But I don't know. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 395.16 395.54 You know. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 394.87 395.16 Well. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 396.5 397.81 I'm the industrial designer. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 398.39 399.01 Not the other one. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 397.78 398.39 Oh, okay, okay. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 399.34 399.68 So. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 400.56 400.8 Okay. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 401.07 401.29 Okay. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 402.56 404.67 So and the marketing expert will 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 405.45 419.53 I'm just go I'm trying to give you some trends about what should be done and what the users would like to have and then thi this would I guess converged to the User Interface Designer wi and then Industrial Designer. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 405.29 405.45 Yeah 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 412.07 413.16 And yeah. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 418.79 419.62 Ok Okay. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 426.1 433.9 So you don't have to do something really specific, as everybody everybody will have to use it, it's sor the same as keyboards. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 442.46 443.79 And not too expensive. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 433.9 442.46 You know, you have Qwerty, Azerty, French and U. K. keyboard, so really the remote control to be international. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 419.75 426.1 And when designing y the remote control just remember that uh it has to be a kind of international product. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 426.05 426.31 Okay. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 429.4 429.77 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 430.01 430.13 Mm. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 433.65 433.8 Yeah. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 436.72 436.9 Mm. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 437.65 437.8 Yeah. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 441.78 442.09 Okay. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 442.33 442.7 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 444.42 445.02 And uh simple. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 443.97 444.42 Yeah. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 445.36 447.74 As we want to maximise the benefit. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 446.28 447.35 And easy to use. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 447.69 451.13 And you have to keep it under twelve Euros and f fifty, so. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 450.41 458.88 Yeah, you have to keep in mind that the product cost won't be maxim more than twelve dot fifty Euros. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 450.71 451.48 Ah, yeah. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 452.2 453.12 That's the problem. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 452.6 453.44 It should be 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 455.16 455.5 Okay. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 458.5 458.81 Okay. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 460.32 471.02 And to be sure that really people will be interested in buying a new remote control with maybe new functionalities that don't exist in the mm existing remote controls now. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 471.24 472.41 Okay. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 473.67 474.91 So, is it okay? 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 476.84 477.31 It's clear. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 475.87 476.84 Mm. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 476.25 476.38 Yeah. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 481.1 484.49 There was a step about drawing something in the in the board, I don't know. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 484.61 486.45 Yeah, maybe should go and draw an animal. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 486.68 487.48 Is it? 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 487.48 488.8 Are we supposed to do right now? 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 488.79 490.16 Yeah yeah, you try. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 490.16 491.57 Try first. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 490.22 494.09 Oh right it's it's from the left to the ri It's 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 493.12 495.47 So you think we have to do it now? 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 495.48 498.48 I d I was thinking but I n I'm not sure now. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 501 504.57 You can draw something which is very simple. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 504.77 505.23 Oh 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 504.92 507.2 You want me to draw something? 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 507.2 509.96 Product manager okay, let's go, I will try. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 507.14 508.38 Everybody 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 507.99 509.83 Oh, maybe we should bring Kemy here. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 509.83 511.96 Kemy is really good at drawing. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 509.91 510.23 Many 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 511.07 512.92 I think everybody should do it, so. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 513.22 513.39 Yeah. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 514.08 515.71 It's not matter 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 518.73 518.89 So. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 522.9 525.49 You're going to draw? 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 527.75 528.03 Okay. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 532.91 533.97 Uh it's the same as mine. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 535.29 538.2 It's a It's a cat. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 534.04 535.29 yeah. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 536.69 537.16 What's this? 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 541.04 543.29 It's a fat cat. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 542.19 544.49 It is not a fat cat. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 549.02 549.99 It's the fat cat, okay. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 550.58 552.24 Yeah, it is a 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 551.25 554.45 Can you draw uh um rabbit? 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 554.45 556.76 Oh, hat ha rat. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 557.49 558.59 A rat? 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 558.59 559.16 That's difficult. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 558.13 558.3 Yeah. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 559.61 562.21 Yes you have to draw a rat if you want a rat. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 562.21 564.5 It's your rat. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 563.46 565.27 Mouse is okay. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 561.4 563.46 A mouse is not too difficult. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 560.92 561.4 No. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 563.15 565.29 Yeah, it's okay. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 565.09 565.32 Yeah. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 567.36 569.58 Just go, you you the closest to the whiteboard. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 568.04 568.8 Okay, go 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 569.98 574.89 right, but in grow, it's everybody has to grow 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 570.16 570.29 Mm. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 570.17 570.33 Jus 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 571.79 572.02 Okay. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 572.58 572.83 Yeah. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 578.24 581.58 Okay, I draw. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 581.58 583.21 The only thing I can draw is like this. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 575.94 578.24 Oh. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 584.53 585.23 Oh. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 586.72 588.85 Oh. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 586.66 586.72 Oh. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 590.24 590.78 A duck. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 591.61 592.47 No. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 592.47 593.01 What's this? 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 591.86 595.28 You love the eyes. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 592.41 595.58 What are you I don no idea, so 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 598.39 599.42 Yeah, that was the eyes. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 599.83 600.13 Okay. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 602.71 603.01 Rabbit. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 601.34 602.71 A clown. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 603.33 604.02 It's a rabbit. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 605.91 606.66 Pikachu. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 612.64 613.22 It's a rabbit. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 615.2 615.6 Oh yeah. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 617.04 617.86 Bugs Bunny one. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 618.04 618.24 Yeah. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 620.9 622.54 Okay. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 622.67 623.61 It's not so bad so. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 625.35 628.42 The only thing I can draw, because it's very simple. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 628.04 629.4 Okay. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 629.4 629.67 I go. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 641.4 643.51 Oh. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 644.5 645.96 This was my favourite one, but 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 643.51 644.5 So what else? 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 639.46 641.4 What? 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 645.57 647.29 So you don't have a 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 646.09 649.54 Thank you. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 654.4 654.88 A fish. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 656.32 657.46 A fish. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 655.94 656.32 Right. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 659.3 660.84 Okay, let's try to draw something. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 656.57 659.3 That's a that's a fish? 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 660.52 661.53 You forgot the chips. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 662.79 665.6 Oh yeah, doesn't look so fine. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 667.77 669.03 Have to be really careful. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 669.81 672.92 Fish and chips. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 670.92 674.66 Okay, it's your turn. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 673.8 676.36 Ah it's my turn. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 675.05 675.37 Oh. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 677.34 678.23 Okay, be careful. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 677.9 678.22 Okay. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 679.23 679.88 So. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 683.15 695.33 It's ok So, what can I draw some more? 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 687.69 688.36 Of 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 688.76 689.61 No problem, no problem. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 703.09 705.17 Oh. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 705.18 706.15 No. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 714.42 715.32 Mm 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 733.11 735.51 Yeah, it's it's a se it's my priority this one. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 737.12 737.3 Yeah. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 744.56 745.28 Mm. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 746.52 749.37 A person? 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 747.71 748.49 No. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 751.04 752.93 It's a really crazy dog 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 752.1 754.3 Oh yeah. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 752.33 755.46 Dog. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 757.23 757.99 Transfer. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 756.38 757.23 Okay. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 757.99 761.04 It's a dog in a village. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 756.53 756.99 Good. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 760.26 760.76 Okay. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 772.91 776.15 So what are you sug going to do now? 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 775.74 776.46 I think it's done. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 776.81 778.35 Yeah, I think yeah. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 776.96 777.32 It's done? 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 777.78 778 Yeah. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 778.58 778.91 Okay. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 779.67 780.84 Just have to 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 781.67 782.7 So we have break. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 781.76 784.68 present project, discuss a little bit about it. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 784.96 785.87 Oh my God. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 788.66 790.41 Oh, we have twenty five minutes for the meeting. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 791 791.22 Yeah. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 791.57 791.91 Okay. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 792.53 793.82 So, if you have questions. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 792.66 792.97 Oh. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 794.77 795.32 Hmm. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 795.93 796.7 Know what time is it? 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 801.65 801.86 No. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 802.64 804.3 No. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 807.67 808.37 you know your job? 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 804.86 806.99 It's okay? 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 806.99 807.67 You know your job? 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 805.64 806.21 Yeah, it's okay. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 810.12 814.32 I have an idea of my job so yeah so. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 814.32 814.49 Yeah. 
IS1003a H02 MIO005 808.22 810.12 We have an idea yeah. 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 809.24 810.29 You know your job? 
IS1003a H00 FIO017 812.75 813.06 Okay. 
IS1003a H01 MIO035 816.44 816.69 Okay. 
IS1003a H03 MIO023 819.83 819.98 Good. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 73.42 77.17 So, I will open our functional design meeting. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 77.73 77.83 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 78.84 82.86 So, I will play role of the secretary. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 83.71 85.45 As also Program Ma Manager. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 85.45 88.22 So, we will have the three presentations from the 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 88.87 93.38 In Industrial Designer, User Interface Designer and um 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 89.51 90.22 Industrial Design. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 95.31 96.24 Marketing Expert. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 95.31 96.43 What's your talk? 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 96.43 98.1 Marketing Experts. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 95.92 96.1 Okay. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 99.03 99.15 Mm. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 99.32 102.04 And after that we uh will have the 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 103.35 104.04 uh 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 105.23 106.7 new product requirements, 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 107.75 110.28 the decision on the remote control functions, 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 111.12 112.27 and we will 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 112.89 114.17 close the meetings after. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 115.99 116.53 Mm so 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 117.54 122.67 um I suppose the first to do the presentation will be the User Interface Designer. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 123.05 123.34 Okay. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 124.84 126.57 Um, so you're participant two? 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 126.75 127.37 One one. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 128.13 128.49 No no no. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 129.27 129.55 No you're 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 129.96 130.27 One. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 130.84 134.54 No, I'm participant one. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 131.47 134.8 Three three, it's three sorry. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 133.16 135.51 I I think I'm a. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 135.72 136.47 Okay, never mind. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 137.83 138.13 Okay. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 138.22 140.75 'Kay, did you save your presentation? 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 140.5 140.84 In one. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 141.22 142.03 In one, sorry. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 145.47 145.62 Yeah. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 146.24 147.53 Isn't that technical functions? 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 148.44 148.8 No sure. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 153.47 154.52 So you didn't save it maybe. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 156.41 156.72 It's mine. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 158.94 159.08 Course. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 156.82 158.94 Uh it's David Jordan. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 156.84 159.82 Alright, so 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 157.6 158.94 Name's Jordan. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 161.01 161.77 So 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 162.11 164.18 David Jordan? 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 164.18 164.45 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 163.24 163.51 Mm yeah. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 164.21 164.45 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 165.31 166.26 so I'll 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 167.14 169.95 I let David Jordan do his presentation. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 170.28 170.58 Okay. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 173.5 174.1 No, no. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 175.3 178.04 Uh this one doesn't want to be moved, I think. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 177.08 177.17 Uh. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 177.72 179.39 Too great for email then. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 178.36 179.37 Okay, so. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 181.17 189.28 The first I will present the technical function design for user interface for our uh remote T. V. control. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 189.55 189.71 Yeah. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 191.2 195.01 Uh I I will focus on user interface design. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 197.34 198.3 As we know our 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 195.01 197.34 Um so move to the next slide. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 195.28 195.43 Mm. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 199.56 206.83 remote c rem remote T. V. control it's very has very soph sophisticated functions, as we show from this picture. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 207.53 208.61 There's a lot of functions. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 209.54 210.75 Over, I think over 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 211.93 217.73 s twelve or twenty s functions of a remote T. V. control. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 219.4 220.27 So how can we 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 221.32 227.75 um design a user interface with so sa with so many sophisticated functions? 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 229.22 230.89 Um, let's move to next slide. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 233.38 233.96 Um. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 235.19 235.4 Yeah. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 236.39 240.7 So I so we want to design uh elegant, easy to use inter interface. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 243.38 254.31 As we know uh Google it's a very successful because his um powerful function, but with very easy to use user interface. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 241.67 243.38 A very good example is Google. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 257.12 259.91 Um so move to next s slide. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 262.52 266.5 So my job is to uh design a Google T. V. controller 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 267.86 273.75 which I want to have sophisticated functions while with very easy to use user interface. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 276.79 276.98 So 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 278.07 280.6 That's the end of the talk the end of the presentation. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 281.54 283.57 So you propose to to have the 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 284.41 284.69 Uh 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 284.52 287.66 remote control which will be powerful. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 286.83 290.63 With sophisticated functions, but with very yeah powerful. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 289.02 289.74 So powerful, 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 290.64 293.33 many functions and very easy to use. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 291.62 291.98 Yes. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 293.41 293.56 Yep. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 294.45 302.94 So, I dunno, it's maybe difficult to have both, I mean the the one on the right doesn't look so simple and 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 296.95 298.27 To merge the two system huh. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 299.73 299.98 Yeah. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 304.36 304.45 Yeah. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 307.23 311.36 Yeah you have to learn the manual before using this remote control, I suppose. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 305.74 307.23 You mean this one? 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 306.73 306.94 Yeah. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 311.76 312.2 Mm yep. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 314.43 315.73 But But this is 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 314.43 317.83 But if we have very very good user interface 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 318.25 318.52 Yeah. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 318.64 321.77 it take less time for user to learn how to use it. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 318.68 319.44 Yeah, and then 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 319.97 320.2 Yeah. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 322.08 330.25 Yeah you maybe you have some international standards, where you know, if you can use one is the other are or almost the same, so the sign. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 331.98 335.02 Oh you mean for the yeah pic pictograms or things like that? 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 342.81 350.43 So you have to The sh the user there for example the power off button it is something very international, you know that 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 339.63 342.81 so if you see escape, you know that it should be the same. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 335.4 339.63 For example, I dunno here, escape, you know, you have escape in computers you have,
IS1003b H01 MIO005 333.64 335.4 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 343.03 343.82 The user should know. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 341.67 343.03 Oh it should okay, yeah. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 351.38 351.66 So. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 353.12 355.18 Yeah um such as maybe the 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 354.89 355.19 So. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 354.6 354.89 Yeah. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 356.37 357.8 Go on, go back and 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 358.87 362.34 Yeah, but the question is how to merge you know the Google system to the system, alright. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 362.88 365.77 Yeah, that's gonna be the trick. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 362.92 364.02 Yeah, that's my job. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 364.1 367.22 That's your job 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 367.09 368.6 It's not the easiest I've got to. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 366.44 367.09 That's my job. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 368.68 370.28 It you 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 370.14 372.83 So, you will propose us something which is 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 374.03 376.84 yeah so powerful and easy to use. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 376.84 377.22 Okay. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 376.01 376.23 Yep. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 376.94 377.14 Okay. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 377.14 378.31 Powerful and easy to use. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 378.27 378.87 So that's the point. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 379.31 380.09 Yeah, that's the point. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 381.86 387.05 So, next I propose the Industrial User Interface to present things. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 384.89 386.02 Okay, okay. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 389.1 389.91 So you you're 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 390.21 390.94 Participant two. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 392.49 392.65 Yeah. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 398.85 399.17 Um. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 399.17 399.27 Okay. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 402.17 407.42 The rationale must be design, or 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 402.53 405.85 So, Baba is the uh the Industrial 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 409.83 410.23 Designer. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 410.84 411.16 Okay. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 414.85 416.6 So we can move to the next slide. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 416.6 421.16 As you all know, you know m my job is to design you know uh 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 422.23 425.38 to give an industrial design of the remote control. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 425.38 432.69 So the re basically the remote control will be, you know, infrared control, so the problem is how to relate the 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 429.3 429.52 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 434.1 440.62 how to relate the remote control device, like for example this one I h I'm holding in my hand and the T. V. . 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 440.62 444.24 So, this one is leather bu based but 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 443.83 444.07 Mm. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 445.56 450.08 I propose a nifra infrared base you know 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 450.08 459.02 so so for me I think that it is better it's bet it's better to control T. V. so you know,
IS1003b H01 MIO005 459.02 462.92 so it's it will be cheaper and it is less technology than, you know 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 464.21 467.34 For the cheap price we have, for the cheap price we want to 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 467.13 467.28 True. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 467.14 469.48 So you mean that infrared control is a cheap technology? 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 470.04 472.06 I think it's cheaper than laser, so. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 472.65 476.44 Do y you know the requirements for the remote control? 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 472.11 472.65 Yeah. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 472.53 473.02 Okay. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 477.41 480.28 Twelve, nearly thirteen, yeah. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 480.28 480.79 The cost 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 480.77 481.84 Twelve, twelve a half. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 478.32 480.77 What the cost is? 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 480.36 486.87 Yeah, I think for the cost we want for the cost we want it's better to have uh uh 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 488.62 489.25 Let's see. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 498.33 507.66 you know a bulb and an infrared bulb, so here for example the infrared bulb will be here and the bulb it will be somewhere inside. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 489.63 491.37 You can move to the next slide, so. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 489.25 489.63 Yeah. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 491.37 498.33 So the di the differen the findings you know what you find inside the re i the the system here inside it is just,
IS1003b H02 FIO017 504.52 504.7 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 509.07 511.84 That might just So. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 510.32 511.24 You can go to the next slide. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 511.24 512.73 I have some kind of pictures 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 510.64 510.74 Okay. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 513.09 513.54 you know, here. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 517.7 529.67 it is a blue the blue stuff here and the infrared and the infrared bulb it is the red stuff you know and so and you have the other subcomponent that are not really here so important 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 529.67 529.82 so. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 515.2 517.7 You have the b the bulb 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 520.11 520.26 Yeah. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 531.19 531.99 What is this? 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 533.44 538.46 This is in fact some other component that are in between the electrical de the electronic device. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 537.64 537.8 Okay. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 538.75 538.88 Look. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 539.46 544.16 But here what I wanted to emphasise it is just you know the bulb and. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 543.6 543.97 Okay. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 545.12 548.86 So and the next slide, it is the last one it's So it's 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 550 553.74 I think it should be wire wireless re remote con 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 554.23 556.53 Because you know, it's easier to manage and you know 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 557.54 563.42 because you f the b the the battery problem can hold you know will you use a battery or the a wire to connected you. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 564.71 569.62 Or maybe some kind of thing that we can have both, but you know, I at my side prefer a wireless. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 571.79 572.04 Okay. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 572.41 575.55 Okay, so if you have some question I didn't answer? 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 572.75 572.9 Okay. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 578.04 580.88 What's the average price of this technology then? 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 581.75 589.3 Well the avera the average prices I think that this technology will cost, I dunno, around eight Euros, so. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 589.3 590.33 Or at least you know, the 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 595.41 598.99 There's a wire with remote control? 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 592.4 595.41 So what, the wireless remote control? 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 601.98 607.17 It's so so bres you have to decide how how you will you know, put some energy inside,
IS1003b H01 MIO005 613.51 617.21 We can think that you know, with the wire, you know, without a wire. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 597.47 601.98 You'd yes, you can. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 617.21 618.57 We can have both also. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 607.17 613.51 so you can think about wireless or you know it's it's a question that we can raise, so. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 620.15 620.4 Okay. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 621.63 623.05 So you think that uh 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 635.5 643.16 No it wou maybe it will be cheaper I dunno, I just may maybe you making a solu 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 623.75 635.5 a cable between the remote control and the T. V. won't be a good idea. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 630.94 631.41 Okay. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 633.79 634.13 Okay. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 642.25 647.49 But this is what you would like to ask the user first and I don't think the user would be ready to have a 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 647.56 654.65 Yeah, but 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 650.95 653.54 Wireless remote control. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 655.35 656.02 Yeah, but some pa 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 655.54 659.1 I don't think well, yeah, I don't think he would, but in a sense 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 657.46 660.59 I always want to have you know, sometime I want to have wire because you know. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 672.48 674.09 I'm just asking you. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 674.09 675.11 Do you think it will be cheaper? 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 660.31 672.48 Yeah but as Industrial Designer, do you think that it will be feasible to have uh linked or to have link between the remote control and the television? 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 675.96 678.91 Uh, I don't think it will be too much. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 681.92 690.78 Could you answer please? 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 682.14 682.32 Okay. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 692.46 698.33 Have to think about the question, you know, 'cause it's I think that you know you can always you know 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 694.66 695.59 Okay. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 700.75 707.05 I think wha wha with the wire it's mm cheaper but you know the wireless it's more practical, so. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 714.26 715.97 As it's yeah. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 707.13 714.26 Yeah, but I think the wireless problem is more the um David Jordan's problem. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 712.96 713.23 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 714.69 715.06 The wire? 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 716.16 716.36 Yeah. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 716.91 717.06 True. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 717.08 717.66 Okay, yeah. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 717.19 718.44 I think it's more your problem. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 718.44 728.15 Mayb maybe you have just to to kind of research or try to ask people if they will like something wireless or not. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 722.77 723.08 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 728.02 729.37 Uh that's my job. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 729.37 730.32 That's the 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 729.18 731.29 Okay, I'm sorry. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 731.29 732.3 So 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 731.44 732.24 Now the 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 732.56 736.89 Yeah but, it should be an agreement, you know, because even if you can think of the wireless,
IS1003b H01 MIO005 736.89 743.36 it is it's it is the job of the the the g Graphical User Designer, but you know. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 744.69 748.75 If it is a lot cheaper and if you want to reach for example some 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 750.13 757.96 the the money you have, if you want to use, so it can be good to have a wireless, it it is a question. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 757.96 758.8 Right, so. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 757.33 757.58 Okay. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 757.82 762.26 So just think of um the usability. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 762.26 764.13 Yeah. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 765.4 768.45 If when you have wireless remote control and if you lose it? 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 764.13 765.4 Just think of the problem. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 761.48 765.19 Design a wireless remote control. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 768.05 768.24 Yeah. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 768.92 769.08 Yeah. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 769.7 776.4 I think it's would be easier to have a link between the remote control and the television, yeah. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 776.62 778.64 This you will see in my presentation then. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 776.13 776.62 True. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 773.97 776.13 Well that's actually one of the point, yeah? 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 778.8 783.26 So I will let you to do your presentation, so. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 780.53 780.7 Yeah. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 780.9 782.3 Okay. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 783.44 784.81 Which is participant four. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 791.31 797.78 So just trying to answer all the questions, if the user would be happy to have something or something else uh. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 811.07 819.05 we observe their remote control use in a lab and then after all the experiments they had to fill up a questionnaire, um, 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 799.08 802.71 We've made a study, so could you go to next slide. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 805.64 808.16 So that's the standard method for marketing, okay. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 808.16 811.07 We had one hundred subjects, um,
IS1003b H00 MIO023 802.71 805.64 Sorry for the functional recurrence. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 824.98 828.73 So then it's some statistics about what we observed and what they answered. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 823.85 824.98 Okay. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 821.01 823.85 and see what was okay or not for them. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 823.16 823.39 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 830.12 838.29 Um actually seventy five percent of the users find m the most remote controls uh ugly, okay, so that's 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 841.37 842.28 Okay. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 838.13 841.37 You mean the loo the look, the outside? 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 840.7 841.79 The look, how it look like. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 841.47 845.6 Yeah, the the look is is bad for them so uh it's your job, David, maybe. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 846.68 850.06 Then eighty percent of users would spend more money um 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 851.06 854.22 actually if if the remote controls were not so ugly. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 854.22 857.16 So this is where we could have uh 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 858.5 862.12 yeah, good market, I guess, if people are ready to pay more. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 860.39 860.59 Yeah. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 862.98 866.43 So it's it's interesting information, I think. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 866.43 867.58 And then um 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 870.07 873.41 yeah, the remote controls like the one you've shown previously 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 874.64 880.64 it's not so doesn't fit the user requirements sometime, because it's too many buttons and so on. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 882.9 883.8 And uh 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 880.64 882.9 So we should change this as well. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 892.65 897.92 And um, you know, ten percent of the buttons are actually used in the remote control. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 885.72 892.65 users are actually zapping a lot, so they're using the device intensively, that's something to take into account as well. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 899.07 902.11 And uh this is one of the main point for me. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 902.11 903.94 But I'll come back to it later. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 904.34 904.5 'Kay. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 905.08 906.04 Could you go next slide? 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 907.94 913.69 Uh, so as you said uh, remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 910.63 911.09 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 915.09 921.34 So this is from the experiments we've done, so if we could solve this problem this would be interesting for the user, I think. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 922.76 929.74 Um it takes too much time to learn how to use the remote control for thirty five percent of the people. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 931.29 938.33 And uh remote control are really bad for R. S. I. problems for twenty six percent of the users. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 938.66 939.48 What is R. S. I. ? 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 948.15 949.26 Okay? 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 940.53 948.15 R. S. I. is like, when you're using the same um doing the same movement several times, then you get injured. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 956.66 957.41 So last slide. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 949.26 956.66 So, those numbers are less important then the previous one, but still it has to be taken to count. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 945.69 946.3 Yeah. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 947.15 949.02 Ah um okay. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 960 967.23 Um so my pres personal preferences for this problem is we have to meet the user needs. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 974.65 981.23 And definitely if it could have less buttons, still maybe the same number of um functions,
IS1003b H00 MIO023 986.5 986.64 Okay. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 981.23 986.5 but less buttons, this would definitely be a good way of selling more. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 967.23 974.65 If we can make it look fancy then we might sell more than our uh concurrent, okay. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 974.04 974.52 Okay. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 974.04 974.44 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 980.17 980.65 Functions. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 986.49 986.64 Okay. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 988.04 988.6 So 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 989.04 989.45 Mm okay. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 991.08 997.3 And just to have uh an idea, do you think you as the 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1008.11 1008.53 Sure? 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1008.53 1010.57 Yeah? 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 998.48 1008.11 User Interface Designer to would it be possible to have less buttons and still have the same functionality and to have powerful remote control, you think it's possible? 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1001.96 1002.12 Yeah. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1009.57 1010.69 Because we can 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1008.13 1009.57 Yeah, I think possible. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1011.81 1012.72 We can uh 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1013.96 1017.18 mix uh several function in one button. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1017.96 1018.51 Yeah. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1020.96 1021.98 But I'm not sure 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1018.07 1020.96 So lets you then you have less buttons. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1020.77 1023.23 Yeah, but do you think it will be easy to use? 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1023.23 1029.33 Because if you have many functions just for one button it would be quite difficult for the user to know. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1029.58 1032.72 Yeah, remember the user is not happy to read the 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1033.02 1034.56 Yeah, I think the 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1033.43 1033.82 The manuals. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1034.05 1034.78 manual. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1034.78 1035.18 It's 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1035.3 1038.45 No you you can have a switch menu, so you can 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1039.43 1041.24 Yeah, but it has to be intuitive. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1039.55 1040.4 well for example 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1052.24 1052.63 Then 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1043.95 1052.24 Like for for example you can uh you can category the function i i into several classes. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1042.84 1043.95 Yeah, I think so. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1053.2 1064.03 for um you can have a switch menu, so you put the switch menu to it it tend to this kind of this category of functions. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1064.03 1067.94 Then you you put the switch button, then it 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1057.25 1058.47 Yeah, okay. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1063.86 1064.82 Okay, but 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1069.02 1071.15 switch to another category of functions. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1072.29 1072.52 Yeah. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1073.08 1080.13 For example, if you have remote control you you can rem you can control your T. V. and also you can control your uh recorder. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1080.79 1081.23 With a 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1080.99 1090.07 So there's a different functions, but i if you you there's a button you can switch between control T. V. and control your recorder. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1105.52 1105.71 You know. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1091.46 1093.52 So we can has less buttons. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1101.39 1105.52 Because different people have a different opinion about fancy. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1093.52 1101.39 But what I'm not so sure is about how to make the remote control look funny look fancy, not funny. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1093.48 1094.15 Yeah, but 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1098.54 1099.16 Look fancy. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1100.44 1102.41 This is a question that should be asked to the 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1105.9 1110.64 If you ask the people, maybe the the marketing people. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1106.03 1106.18 Yeah. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1110.06 1111.76 Yeah, this is something we sh 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1110.26 1120.74 Because maybe a colourful is fancy for some people, but maybe simple and uh uniform colourful is fancy for some for other peoples, so. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1113.89 1114.31 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1116.24 1118.17 But this was first step and 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1121.6 1122.72 This was the first step, yeah. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1121.61 1127.45 I think the solution is to have many colours of you know instead of having one grey standard 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1126.47 1131.58 Yeah, but I think it will increase the price of the production of the remote control. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1129.85 1130.95 Specially distribution, yeah. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1131.85 1132.94 Yeah, yeah, maybe. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1132.94 1133.69 Yeah, maybe. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1133.81 1138.4 If you need to have special colours for remote controls it will cost more. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1136.72 1137.31 Uh 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1137.72 1139.25 Yeah, personalised colour. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1139.25 1140 Because you know 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1139.58 1141.48 Yeah, it will cost little bit more. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1141.23 1148.14 Yeah, because maybe some people prefer a red remote control, some people prefer black remote control. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1145.18 1146.45 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1147.68 1150.77 Yeah, but this is what we would ask to the users, so. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1150.96 1151.9 And also f 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1151.08 1157.22 Maybe we can have di di we can have uh several options, so user can select which colour they prefer, so. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1151.99 1152.15 Yeah. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1162.52 1167.51 and we don't really want the price to be too too high, because we wanna be able to produce it. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1157.25 1162.52 Yeah, but as soon as you speak about options, it means that the price increases,
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1160.23 1160.48 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1160.7 1164.13 Yeah, remember it's twelve Euros. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1168.48 1180.4 So, we want something fancy, as uh previously said, Florent, something very easy to use, powerful and also as uh it's written here,
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1180.4 1189.59 seventy five percent of users, they zap lot, so maybe just having many functions in one button is not that good if you want to zap a lot. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1186.36 1186.61 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1190.11 1190.28 Hmm. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1191.78 1197.01 And they don't really want to zap between functions of their remote control, they want to zap between channels on T. V. . 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1195.02 1195.64 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1197.81 1198.56 So 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1201.46 1207.9 I think you have quite lot of points to to think about and to discuss it with uh the other members. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1204.35 1204.46 Yeah. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1206.07 1206.74 Yeah, hmm. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1206.07 1206.31 Yeah. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1212.19 1214.08 Nothing else to to add? 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1209.16 1212.19 So, is it okay for your presentation? 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1213.05 1214.91 Yeah, it's done, just yeah. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1214.91 1221.56 If we would if we could remember like, not too many buttons and make it look fancy, I think it would make it. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1220.64 1221.26 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1221.26 1224.03 Okay. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1226.31 1227.08 Mm so 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1230.53 1232.13 So, I had some 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1230.89 1231.26 So. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1233.58 1237.67 new information about the product requirements, so you will have to 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1243.9 1253.09 So the first one is that um for the designing of the remote control we don't really want to use the teletext anymore, as it's something that's 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1238.59 1243.9 take care of it of it in your thinking, in your designing of the remote control. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1251.28 1251.56 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1254.04 1255.32 It's is uh 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1257.32 1258.8 Lame, or 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1257.5 1266.03 No yeah, because now everybody has internet at home, so it's better to use internet then teletext. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1262.42 1262.71 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1267.89 1268.06 Yeah. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1274.73 1278.3 and also the remote control will only be used for television, so 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1269.47 1274.73 So, you will have to think about it in your in in the design of your remote control,
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1274.19 1274.35 Yep. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1279.48 1282.02 for y for you your designing 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1282.02 1296.82 you're not you won't be uh you won't had um buttons to just to manipulate yeah to control the recorder or maybe the garage door or things like that. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1296.82 1300.72 It's because if we want to 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1290.23 1290.47 Control. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1292.93 1293.42 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1297.97 1298.1 Mm-hmm 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1301.66 1303.07 to do remote control 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1303.32 1303.52 Mm. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1309.35 1314.68 it will become too complex and it will increase the pli the price and we can't do that. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1318.24 1318.7 Is it okay? 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1303.94 1309.35 which will be used for for the television, for the recorder, for the camcorder and all the others 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1314.68 1318.24 We really want to focus on the remote control for the television. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1318.92 1321.57 But there's balance between function and the cost. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1318.5 1318.92 Okay. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1339.44 1351.17 I mean that's uh if uh you want to buy a remote control and if you go in a shop and if you see the remote control you will recognise directly that s it's our product. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1328.09 1339.44 And also we want the image of the uh um real reaction be recognisable in the product, such as the colour and s the slogan. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1320.67 1328.09 So maybe it will be easier for you to to design it, to have very powerful and easy. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1325.6 1325.94 Okay. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1324.95 1325.6 Yeah. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1334.45 1335.01 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1339.13 1339.22 Yeah. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1348.72 1348.99 Mm-hm. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1352.04 1352.3 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1352.12 1357.74 So you will have to use the colour of the product, of the um um 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1355.44 1355.54 Okay. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1363.15 1365.43 of the uh of real reaction 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1365.8 1366.03 Okay. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1366.31 1366.4 So. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1366.32 1368.96 and uh also 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1369.86 1370.99 So has to be yellow. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1370.9 1371.69 Yeah. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1377.37 1380.05 Fancy, fashion, powerful, easy to use. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1371.69 1377.37 As we say, we put the fashion in electronics, so it has to be a fashion remote control. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1371.09 1371.54 Yellow. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1377.04 1377.41 Okay. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1380.15 1380.46 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1381.2 1382.97 Require lot of requirements, but 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1382.83 1382.95 Yeah. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1383 1385.52 For cheap remote control, yeah. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1385.11 1386.58 And cheap. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1386.58 1387.41 A low cost. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1386.48 1387.2 Yeah. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1388.08 1388.31 Yeah. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1389.24 1393.84 But uh that's your your job to find something mm matches. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1390.33 1391.95 Yeah. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1393.28 1397.62 Yeah, 'cause what I'm thinking is how will you will connect the T. V. to internet, so. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1399 1399.66 This is 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1399.96 1402.68 I don't think it's part of the remote control design anyway. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1402.68 1404.76 It's maybe more in browsing. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1402.17 1403.45 Maybe not, but mayb 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1405.35 1411.27 Yeah, but this this mean that your T. V. would be able to, you know, connect to internet, you know, surf the web. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1411.28 1414.87 Yeah, there's that box in uh o of it. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1414.87 1421.32 A pi There's that box in the T. V., so with the set box you you can connect internet with your T. V. . 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1412.67 1412.85 Yeah. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1422.63 1422.94 Okay. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1423.96 1424.1 Ok 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1425.5 1425.73 Hm-mm. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1426.08 1428.93 It's It's not so uh popular now. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1429.25 1432.34 It's pop I don't think it's popular, so that's the problem so. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1432.34 1435.64 You had i if you are designing a remote control for you know 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1431.17 1431.24 Mm. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1436.79 1439.93 the global usage, so if people don't have the technology. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1436.9 1437.93 Global, okay. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1445.56 1445.93 So. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1459.57 1459.75 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1459.81 1461.88 So everybody is okay with the new requirements? 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1459.82 1460.51 So I I so 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1462.06 1465.08 As as for the colour, what what do you think? 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1465.83 1467.03 I think it has to be yellow. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1467.58 1468.23 Yellow? 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1468.23 1471.81 Do you think that people like the colour yellow? 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1468.22 1468.84 Yeah. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1470.93 1473.46 T. V. remote control? 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1469.06 1470.93 Yellow? 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1473.26 1473.62 Min 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1473.4 1479.31 Maybe you can change the colour, but the image of the society has to be recognised. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1475.2 1475.4 Okay. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1479.48 1479.77 Okay. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1480.05 1480.21 Yeah. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1487.02 1490.95 Doesn't need to be completely yellow, but just mm. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1480.52 1485.63 I think if you have you know th like a yellow ribbon here is the double R. . 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1485.63 1486.18 Or should be. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1486.18 1487.02 Yeah, so. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1480.78 1481.43 Why you go 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1485.12 1486 It has to be fashion. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1487.03 1487.43 Okay. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1487.13 1489.34 So you have to 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1497.42 1500.72 Just when you enter you say oh, oh, it's real reaction. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1491.92 1497.42 It has to be a fashion and really be uh the image of the society. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1500.72 1504.44 Think it's a re reaction remote control, so. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1491.23 1491.92 Yeah. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1504.44 1510.23 And also it has to be attractive, of course, because if you want to sale to sell the remote control. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1501.25 1502.56 Okay, okay. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1503.82 1504.04 Okay. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1506.53 1506.7 Mm. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1513.91 1514.4 It's okay? 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1514.67 1515.93 Regarding the first line, what 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1517.53 1521.1 So we're just expecting no more use of the teletext. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1521.24 1521.49 Yeah. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1522.3 1522.69 And that's it. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1523.33 1523.58 Yeah. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1526.79 1529.32 But I dunno, but why, nobody's a threat to me. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1529.77 1530.89 It's already changed for 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1531.88 1533.44 I think it would be simpler. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1533.23 1533.44 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1535.94 1536.28 Okay. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1539.66 1540.16 So 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1543.14 1548.82 I will close the meeting, um just after that we'll have lunch break. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1549.78 1552.96 And you will have in thirty minutes individual work. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1554.45 1554.96 Uh 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1557.09 1558.29 Y you 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1569.57 1574.26 and the User Interface Designer to work on the user interface concept. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1560.88 1569.57 You will have as the I. D. I don't remember what is industr Industrial Designer to put um pon yeah 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1564.16 1566.24 Industrial Designer, yeah. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1564.18 1565.88 Industrial Designer. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1567.92 1569.2 Component component, yeah. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1574.72 1574.94 Okay. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1576.18 1578.44 And Florent to 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1579.28 1582.49 work my subject. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1582.49 1587.86 And so specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1580.78 1580.92 Yep. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1589 1589.22 Okay. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1589.83 1591.1 It's okay? 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1591.1 1593.31 I think the um session is closed. 
IS1003b H00 MIO023 1590.34 1590.47 Yeah. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1593.81 1593.97 Good. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1611.15 1612.41 Should be better. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1600.55 1607.39 And by the way, Mister David Jordan, please record your presentations in your own folder. 
IS1003b H02 FIO017 1607.39 1611.15 Not in mine. 
IS1003b H01 MIO005 1607.37 1613.31 Okay Okay, that's clear. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1609.09 1610.56 Okay. 
IS1003b H03 MIO035 1607.38 1609.09 Okay. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 51.29 52.4 So 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 52.4 69.72 as the previous meeting I will be the secretary and we will have three presentations and we'll have to decide on the remote control concept and finally we'll close the decision. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 43.28 51.29 So let's start our second me meeting on conceptual design. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 69.72 74.33 So I will first uh 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 50.91 51.16 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 56.25 56.5 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 74.95 76.55 No y you do the minutes first, or? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 77.2 77.4 What? 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 78.73 78.95 No? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 79.59 87.61 I I think I will let uh our User Interface Designer speak first, Mister David Jordan. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 81.4 81.63 Okay. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 87.8 88 Yep. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 88.77 90.2 So, we'll 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 93.96 94.12 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 98.38 98.97 Interface? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 94.05 98.38 S technical accessoire? 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 97.66 98.74 No no no. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 98.74 98.91 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 100.02 100.39 This. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 100.34 100.53 Mm. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 110.91 115.51 Um there's three concepts in the user interface. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 105.24 110.91 So uh first I will present the concept of user interface. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 115.51 117.98 So first one it's a Google controller. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 122.29 125.06 The last one is uh intelligent controller. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 119.06 122.29 The second is a fancy controller. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 125.06 127.41 So there are three concepts in our controller. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 134.34 140.53 Um, so I want the controller to be easy to use, but with sophisticated functions. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 140.53 144.72 So it's a combination of easy to use and um sophisticated functions. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 128.66 134.34 Um n next I will explain one by one, the first is Google controller. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 146.9 150.85 Uh this is a first concept of our controller. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 150.85 160.65 The second concept is a fancy controller, um so we want give the customers the impression that our controller is very attractive 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 165.59 176.13 so so the u the user f the the u user interface should be very very cute, very very g um 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 160.65 165.59 um they can easy recognise our controller among a lot of products,
IS1003c H03 MIO023 173.89 174.16 Mm. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 174.01 174.29 Mm. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 177.33 177.94 A nice one. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 178.72 182.83 Such like this, there are several uh examples in the slides. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 177.45 178.72 attractive. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 183.08 187.83 I'm not sure the one in the middle is very attractive. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 187.83 189.45 It's very big, yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 185.49 188.17 Yeah, it's very, you know if you're 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 189.59 190.27 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 190.27 193.53 It's hard f i it's easy for you to remember it. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 193.53 196.08 Or to recognise it, yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 194.89 197.16 Okay. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 199.12 202.88 We'll have big discussion I suppose after that, so. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 197.16 199.12 Yeah, why not. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 197.17 197.29 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 198.41 198.53 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 202.13 202.36 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 199.82 202.13 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 201.89 202.83 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 202.83 206.29 So the last uh concept is intelligent. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 206.29 215.29 We want uh we want our controller to be smart, so maybe we should uh use um uh 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 202.32 202.54 Mm. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 210.41 210.68 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 210.48 210.67 Mm. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 233.02 233.44 Um 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 216.87 222.77 technology, such as speech recognition technology and gesture recognition technology 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 222.77 233.02 so we need to have coop some cooperation with some research institute on speech recognition and um gesture recognition. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 234.58 238.52 With this advanced features we I think we can attract a lot of user. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 239.08 240.5 Okay. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 240.5 241.22 Something else? 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 247.16 247.33 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 241.53 242.61 No. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 240.34 241.53 Okay. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 242.61 247.16 There this is the three concepts of our controller. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 244.97 245.13 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 265.11 267.83 Do you think they will be able to use gestures? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 245.89 253.28 I just have one question, because for the intelligent controller, you said that we can use the voice recognition or the gesture recognition,
IS1003c H00 FIO017 267.83 276.55 Because, if they do all the time the same gesture, as you said previously in the last meeting, maybe they will get injuries because of that? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 276.55 283.54 or if you say channel three channel three two three four six five, I think they will be bored after a while. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 283.54 284.24 You don't think so? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 253.28 265.11 but as the um expert told us, most of the people want to use the remote control to zap t to zap between channels. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 249.48 249.65 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 265.04 265.47 Yeah, so 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 267.93 268.02 Y 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 275.39 276.74 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 276.74 277.06 Maybe. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 284.7 292.88 Uh I think some time it's very uh convenient to use voice interface and gesture interface than use button. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 292.88 302.29 For example, if you cannot find your uh controller, you can just uh just just uh speak something such as, yeah, one two. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 291.27 291.98 Yeah, sure. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 295.2 297.08 I That's true. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 295.25 297.64 Oh yeah, that's a good that's a good point, so. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 300.73 301.46 One and 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 301.3 303.39 Yeah, but suppose you got a cold. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 303.39 305.63 You have a mute remote controller. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 303.47 303.81 Yeah. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 304.57 304.81 Mm. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 305.88 307.39 So you can use your gesture. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 307.39 309.02 That's no problem. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 308.33 315.69 Yeah but how how is how risky is it to trust like speech recognition or gesture recognition? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 310.38 310.95 Broken arm? 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 315.85 323.79 For limited vocabulary speech recognition is very reliable and for s limited vocabulary gesture recognition is also very 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 318.85 320.05 Okay. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 320.05 320.37 Okay. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 326.07 332.01 and if they want to use their private remote control in the same time, do you think it will work? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 332.01 334.62 Everybody wanting to change channel in the same time? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 323.3 326.07 Yeah, but suppose you have a family watching T. V. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 325.81 326 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 326.59 327.91 Yep. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 333.57 335.88 But this this but this would never happen anyway. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 336.15 338.03 Yeah, they cannot speak at the same time. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 336.55 336.82 Why? 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 338.18 338.8 Yeah 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 338.21 343.75 If you have one brother and one sister and they want to watch their favourite uh T. V. programme,
IS1003c H00 FIO017 343.75 348.44 so they say oh channel four channel three channel four channel three all the time, so. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 341.4 341.89 Yeah, but the 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 346.16 352.46 Yeah but Yeah but the same can happen even with it you know this kind of remote control because the 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 346.66 348.95 Yeah, it's very interesting. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 346.9 347.69 Yeah but this 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 350.42 350.72 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 351.67 351.95 Yeah. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 351.94 352.56 I don't think it 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 352.17 356.29 Yeah, but you have the remote control, so maybe you can keep it f with you. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 356.29 357.99 You're not you're not obliged to share it. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 354.41 355.61 That's right. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 357.17 360.46 Oh, okay, okay, you mean it could be a problem for this kind of stuff. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 359.49 360.63 Yeah, we can yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 360.04 362.82 Yeah, that's that's the advantage of intelligent controller. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 362.82 368.96 Even you h you have the controller, I can I can say channel three, so it's c come to channel three, I don't have to 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 363.46 363.6 No. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 363.61 366.03 It's it's 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 367.25 369.44 No, but this is disadvant disadvantage. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 368.72 370.38 Yeah, I think it's a disadvantage. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 370.64 371.42 It's advantage. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 370.71 370.91 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 371.35 375.52 And mayb maybe we can have the switching mode to pass from you know voice controller to 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 375.67 377.34 Yeah, but one other question. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 377.34 379.23 How how much will it cost? 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 376.57 377.85 manual controllers, eh. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 380.07 381.15 No, more expensive maybe. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 380.39 380.94 How much? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 381.12 381.59 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 381.59 385.4 Because I suppose we need to do research to have something working. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 384.79 387.71 No no we we d we we just are use um 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 386.64 389.32 Uh if you if if you use the basic 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 387.07 388.19 Some some efficient. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 389.5 397.07 No no we just um have some cooperation with some research institute, we don't have to do some basic research on this field. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 396.65 398.3 So you think it won't cost an 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 399.86 400.73 Not a lot for us? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 401.06 401.39 Or? 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 401.06 404.04 Yeah, I think it's uh because uh this technology is uh 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 405.15 410.41 um for limited wor or limited wor uh lexical recognition, it's very 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 410.63 411.31 Yeah, but uh uh 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 411.43 412.29 it's uh yeah. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 417.34 418.73 Because then you need uh 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 412.59 417.34 But it's it's changing how the remote control is gonna be built. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 412.86 413.09 It's 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 419.91 424.54 I mean this doesn't have uh the power to do recognition, for example. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 424.34 427.74 Well y y you have also the language problem, you know when you 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 425.04 425.66 No it's uh 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 426.47 430.33 Even for the f um because the the vocabulary the 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 427.95 428.33 Mm-mm. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 428.75 430.77 'Cause it it have to be universal, so. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 431.24 432.33 I agree with uh 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 430.77 431.24 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 431.4 434.53 The vocabulary is very small, so that's not a problem. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 433 433.2 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 433.8 439.77 Yeah, but there is one problem that uh Baba talked about is the international 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 436.86 437.35 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 437.19 437.39 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 443.75 446.54 Suppose we're we want to sell it in France. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 441.62 443.75 We need something that is international. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 440.92 441.62 remote control. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 446.84 446.97 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 450.61 454.77 If you want to go to England, it will be able to understand English, so. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 447.7 450.61 The recognition system will be able to understand French. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 452.52 452.69 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 454.74 465.4 Yeah, the key, the key um the key of our the key feature of our controller is that it's it has some some um adaptation 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 455.92 458.12 Yeah, this could be downloaded by the web maybe, or 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 467.44 468.19 The product The pro 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 466.16 467.44 Yeah but you know. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 466.26 467.56 mechanism. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 467.56 473.13 It's It's it means when you when you sell this controller in China it's can recognise Chinese. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 473.13 477.17 It's r if you sell this controller in France it can recognise French. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 475.37 479.48 It's a very smart, it's a very smart controller maybe 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 477.14 477.47 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 477.54 478.35 Mm, okay. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 478.81 479.6 Yeah, it's 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 479.48 482.8 And with no increase in the pri production price of the remote control? 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 481.55 482.56 Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 483.46 487.02 Because of this product uh this technology has already been developed. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 487.02 487.4 So 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 483.54 484.09 But 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 487.01 488.44 Yeah, but how will you 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 492.6 497.41 you can send this con this remote control everywhere in the world, the same one. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 497.41 500.64 If you have the language, you have to develop for each country. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 488.04 492.6 Yeah but the problem is how to s you know if this is a push button controller,
IS1003c H02 MIO035 492.66 492.81 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 495.99 496.16 Yeah. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 497.37 497.51 Mm. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 499.15 502.47 Oh n Yeah, yeah tha that's why we have to do language adaptation. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 502.87 507.72 Yeah, but for each country you have to do one, because uh the for example for Se 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 504.71 504.91 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 506.87 513.72 Even for each f for even for different family we have to do d yeah we would we have to do adaptation to 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 510.45 511.68 Oh really? 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 511.68 512.51 That's 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 513.6 514.17 Oh. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 514.17 515.32 Seems to be quite complex. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 513.66 514.48 Yeah, but then w 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 515.24 517.98 Yeah, we have to take care of the twelve Euros 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 515.87 516.16 Comple 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 515.87 518.12 No, it's not so complex. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 518.83 519.25 problem. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 523.22 525.66 Do you think if we're far from television it will work? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 518.87 522.09 And what about voice recognition, do we have microphones? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 522.09 523.22 And where will be they? 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 523.48 524.52 No no no it's not 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 532.62 535.79 It it just the microphone is embedded in the controller. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 526.91 532.62 I think that's n that's not a problem because you you don't have to wear a microphone. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 536.79 538.03 Yeah, but where is the controller? 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 537.7 537.99 Okay. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 539.58 540.49 Where is the controller? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 540.95 541.16 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 541.72 543.52 It's in your family, in your home. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 543.64 546.03 No, but then it's it's like this uh 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 547.36 550.36 But here you say you want to use i uh s technology. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 543.8 547.36 Yeah, but we're here it's uh an object. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 547.42 547.57 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 549.03 551.89 Yeah you can you can embed it uh microphone here. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 550.73 551.76 A microphone maybe. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 558.78 563.34 If you want to use voice or gesture you need to be free, without any object. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 551.94 558.78 Yeah, but wha what is the use of voice or gesture recognition if you have a remote control li like this, if you have an object. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 563.34 565.79 You just want to interact with television. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 561.16 562.8 To talk to the to the T. V. maybe. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 564.46 567.91 Yeah yeah just you just put the controller here, then you 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 568.77 570.85 I if you say one, he switch to channel, yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 569.09 571.96 you use your command and you do s your gesture. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 572.13 573.19 Yeah, but you can lose it. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 576.28 578.64 No no it's n y if you lose it 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 579.05 588.21 So well for example if it is somewhere in the room if i maybe if it is in the table there you can always say s channel one and the t the remote control gives the order to the T. V. to switch to channel one. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 586.98 587.36 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 587.8 595.83 Okay you so you can build a kind of black box and put it on T. V. and just to recognize gestures and voice. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 590.28 590.78 Devic 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 591.36 591.63 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 592.84 593.03 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 594.45 594.67 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 596.3 601.41 Yeah but so you need a camera and you know a microphone inside your remote control. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 599.42 599.6 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 599.74 600.11 Ah. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 602.78 607.79 Or is it do you think it should be only voice recognition and gesture recognition? 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 601.24 602.78 But you would still have the buttons. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 607.79 611.39 Or you you still have the possibility to use buttons? 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 611.73 617.83 I think it we should give the uh flexibility to the user and we think yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 617.83 620.57 You can see they can switch form one modality to another. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 615.72 617.12 Okay, so you yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 617.09 617.8 Yeah, but 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 620.95 621.29 Mm. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 622.34 623.64 It's a bit risky risky. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 621.09 622.34 Yeah, I dunno. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 623.87 624.08 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 624.7 626.12 And maybe it will be quite 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 624.14 624.7 I think so. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 624.16 626.55 No, that's quite inter quite attractive. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 626.66 631.37 But I think that, you know, switching from one country to to another will be a problem, so although y y 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 631.33 636.25 Well, if you do language adaptation, there should be no problem. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 634.09 637.12 Yeah, I dunno. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 635.05 637.15 Yeah but i i 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 636.06 638.91 Okay. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 643.72 646.75 We should have confidence in technology. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 646.78 648.65 Yeah, we should. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 650.04 650.25 Uh. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 654.03 656.6 We'll try the controllers you'd prefer. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 651.3 652.34 Hmm. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 652.34 654.03 So, what do you think? 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 657.92 658.57 Mm. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 658.4 658.58 What? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 659.06 664.17 Which kind of controller would you prefer to use, you as a remote control user? 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 663 663.73 If if 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 664.85 670.88 I mean, uh I'm sure if the user pays the same price, he's happy to have recognition. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 670.88 673.32 But if if if it like doubles uh 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 669.54 670.44 More features, yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 671.03 671.39 Yeah, but 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 674.02 677.42 I think he need a control that is very reliable, so. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 674.42 675.63 no one would would be interested. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 677.89 683.37 So I think it would be better not to do any intelligent controller and to stay with the Google controller or a fancy controller. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 684.47 687.75 Maybe try to mix the Google controller and the fancy controller? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 687.75 688.27 Hmm? 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 688.73 688.97 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 688.21 688.73 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 689.05 696.18 Just want to have something controller which is in a kind of intelligent controller, easy to use, sophisticated and fancy. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 697.16 699.87 Yeah but if if you stick to um 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 697.3 698.22 You think it's possible? 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 701.19 703.08 stick to the first two parts. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 703.08 707.77 So what's the difference between our controller with other products in the market? 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 707.77 715.92 There's no k features of our controller, so is there is there any necessary to design new controller without any breakthrough features? 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 714.19 714.49 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 714.19 714.87 Yeah. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 716.61 717.32 No, I mean 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 717.27 725 Would y would you replace your controller with a controller with similar function if you do not have some some function inside it that 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 722.57 731.13 It's not really the we we can add for example some function like for browsing in internet, so or something like that. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 731.13 732.73 But uh I think a user need 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 722.72 722.75 Y 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 732.68 737.51 Yeah, you y that's a fun that's not the function of the controller, that's a function of T. V. . 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 737.51 741.83 You can replace your T. V. with a new T. V. with internet browsing function, but 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 740.87 743.72 No, but you need you need new remote controller then. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 743.72 748.19 Because if you wanna browse internet or, I don't know, if you wanna type something, or 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 745.51 746.89 Don't have a the the 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 748.32 748.68 Okay. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 748.71 750.34 Yeah if we can send email from it. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 750.07 755.21 But it's not the only the problem only the issue of controller, it's it's also the issue of the T. V. . 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 752.36 753.41 No. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 753.41 753.6 No. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 755.59 762.86 Because the p the problem I can see with with the voice or the gesture itself wh what can happen in a family i i for example if 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 760.1 761.34 Cause for example yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 782.61 790.93 That's the feature is not one hundred percent reliable, but it's a feature to distinguish our product from our from other products. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 776.54 782.61 your mobile, but you when you choose a new mobile, you choose the one with voice recognition. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 768.41 776.54 but with the features of our controller such as you have the feature of voice recognition in your mobile but you seldom use it,
IS1003c H02 MIO035 762.2 768.41 Yeah, but we do we do we we we cannot rely one hundred percent on these features to u to use the controller 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 766.74 766.96 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 768.1 769.08 Yeah, but uh we want so 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 779.72 780.8 Yeah, you wou you would 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 782.28 782.54 True. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 791.89 799.5 Yeah, but w we we want something th that works all the time, every day, every hour, for everyone. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 792.13 792.47 Yeah 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 796.04 796.27 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 798.36 798.99 Yeah, uh 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 798.73 801.32 And for all the person of the family maybe, so, yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 800.74 808.97 Yeah, if if if if you're if you ar if you already have a product it works one hundred percent reliable, would you replace it with another one? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 801.03 802.16 You don't need to tune it. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 809.68 811.2 Yeah, why not? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 811.2 811.81 If it's 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 811.14 816.31 I mean, for example the goo y you say we would we would to have a Google-like controller. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 812.42 813.18 Because you have new 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 816.46 816.6 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 815.8 816.46 Yeah. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 818.48 825.76 I don't see how adding speech or gesture recognition would make the remote control look more like Google. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 831.15 838.45 so I I guess if can have a remote control that is really basic, simple and works fine, it's already a lot. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 826.83 831.15 Google is is simple, works fine,
IS1003c H02 MIO035 830.37 830.55 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 836.66 836.83 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 839.72 843.54 Oh yes, but there's no big difference between the traditional controller. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 840.19 840.87 Uh thi this 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 852.85 857.3 looks nice and it's easy easy to use, easy to use. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 844.37 852.85 I mean, the user is not only interested in having speech or gesture recognition or if he has something that works fine and is really fancy,
IS1003c H02 MIO035 849.72 849.83 Tha 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 848.4 849.72 The then nn no. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 854.95 856.37 Not too expensive too. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 863.67 864.89 That's the same yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 855.06 863.67 But the there's there's n there's n not enough motivation for them to replace their old controller with a new one if there's no key feature in the new controller. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 860.98 861.97 See 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 865.11 870.48 I mean, I I know it's more interesting to develop a remote controller with speech and gesture and whatever. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 870.48 876.1 But you have to think, the user is the one who gonna buy the product and so. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 863.4 865.11 That's the problem, yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 870.2 870.33 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 870.21 872.65 Ye 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 875.25 875.44 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 877.85 881.58 So let's go to the Industrial Designer. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 877.03 877.85 Okay. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 881.58 885.52 Maybe we'll be able to take a decision after that, so. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 877.33 878.37 I mean, that's the point. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 880.64 880.86 Okay. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 880.67 881.03 Okay. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 884.49 884.8 Okay. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 884.49 884.63 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 889.12 889.35 Two? 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 889.6 891.42 Yeah, participant two um 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 891.72 892.2 Working? 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 892.41 893.97 Yeah, working design, so. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 896.02 896.76 So 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 898.52 898.95 I think 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 901.37 901.95 I can 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 903.32 904.4 I uh it's not this one. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 901.89 903.32 Can you go to the next one? 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 907.51 907.89 Sorry. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 904.4 907.51 It's uh oth the oth so I It's the working design. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 904.61 904.88 Okay. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 910.48 914.64 So this yeah so this is the described use What? 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 908.97 910.48 Component design. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 909.51 912.3 It's okay 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 917.45 917.92 Are you inst 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 919.4 921.61 Uh I think there's something wrong with your 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 921.35 922.83 It did didn't r receive it. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 922.83 923.85 Didn't receive it. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 922.88 924.99 Maybe you you record it somewhere else. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 926.08 926.86 I don't think so. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 931.65 932.56 Participant one. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 936.92 937.71 Participant one. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 939.51 940.69 Interface concept. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 941.98 942.19 No. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 943.72 944.17 Hmm. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 946.92 947.6 Mm mm. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 947.57 948.65 Oh. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 951.22 953.87 Maybe I record recorded directly on the 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 954.98 955.57 Computer. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 956.96 957.22 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 959.69 961.09 Uh. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 962.35 962.68 Dunno. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 962.4 964.99 Nope. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 964.99 967.58 It seems that we have a problem with the 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 964.88 965.11 Yes. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 964.02 964.88 Okay, okay. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 967.72 970.12 I dunno if you remember what you had to say or 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 970.42 971.82 I can say it to you without. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 972.51 973.26 Yeah, so 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 973.67 975.59 Yeah, maybe we can first come to 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 976.02 979.29 No, I think it will be more interesting to start with uh 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 977.03 979.25 uh to Frahan. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 979.25 982.97 With Frahan, then you can prepare your slides, then present it later. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 979.52 981.59 I think it's more interesting what he says, okay. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 981.99 982.25 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 982.2 983.33 Yeah, exac 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 983.6 991.13 You will had s some more information in I think it will be interesting after your presentation to have um Baba's presentation. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 983.62 983.85 Okay. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 987.89 988.26 Yeah. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 988.8 989.73 Yeah, true. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 990.96 992.06 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 993.22 1006.68 I s because i in my presentation I don't have here with so It was in fact the design use to show you the design of what is inside a what is inside and what are the different component of the r 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 992.06 993.22 In fact, I don't know 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 991.41 992.22 Okay. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 992.84 993 So. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 993.66 994.06 Okay. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 997.73 998.8 Okay, never mind. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1003.09 1003.42 Okay. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1007.8 1009.97 of the remote control. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1009.97 1017.5 So it will be interesting so I could show you some some picture of what is inside and so. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1009.65 1009.89 Okay. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1014.84 1015.11 Okay. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1025.93 1035.55 so will it will be wooden wooden di wooden remote control or a a plastic remote control like this one. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1035.55 1046.04 So and in which which which kind will be the the different bu button, so it can be some, you know,
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1046.04 1052.44 classic pushbutton like this one, or you have also some button like L. C. D. where you know,
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1019 1025.93 So I in fact the the f something I want to discuss is which kind of material are we going to use 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1052.44 1059.05 the button the buttons are unlighted during the night, or, you know, you can see them in the darkness. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1059.05 1059.47 And 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1025.95 1026.31 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1043.08 1043.36 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1052.1 1052.45 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1052.31 1052.61 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1057.01 1057.36 Okay. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1058.43 1058.74 Okay. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1077.96 1081.17 And I think that for example for the alimentation it would be good to have 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1060.64 1067.55 the other thing I want to discuss also is which kind of alimentation, electric alimentation do you want to have 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1067.55 1077.96 so will it be for example uh d uh solar energy alimentation or will it be a battery like the classical battery so. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1072.82 1073.27 Uh-huh. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1082.68 1090.91 uh both of them, so so for example in some country where you are in the the countryside and you are far from, you know,
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1116.54 1116.78 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1099.56 1100.55 you just 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1100.55 1115.21 when you want to have recharger or remote control power you just put it on the sun and after one hour you can come and so it can be interesting for people to have this kind of remote con It can be something interesting to make people buy it 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1115.21 1116.54 for example. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1090.91 1099.56 the cities uh for example in some place in in S Senegal, so if you have electric if you have solar alimentation 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1091.92 1092.24 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1098.56 1098.83 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1115.61 1115.88 Yeah 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1129.24 1134.09 would it be something really that will increase the price of production more, no? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1115.88 1129.24 I think it's an added value to the remote control and maybe it can attract all the ecological k yeah consumers and but about the the price of adding this solar battery,
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1118.19 1119.44 Yeah, yeah mm. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1121.78 1124.49 Ecologists, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1122.67 1122.84 Yeah. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1124.08 1124.29 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1134.21 1134.54 Alrigh 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1135.92 1141.09 In fact, having them both will if we want to have battery 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1141.09 1149.44 regular battery and and the solar energy battery it could be it'll it will add a little bit of the price,
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1149.44 1153.86 but it will be an added value also that will be compensated, so hmm. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1148.83 1149.28 So. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1151.49 1151.71 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1152.14 1152.54 Okay. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1156.53 1158.56 And what tha what about the uh 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1159.65 1160.43 materials? 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1171.76 1178.65 you know, something wooden will be like, I don't know high cl so a special high class, or you know, you can have some 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1160.93 1171.76 And the materials, it depends for example you if you have a wooden material it can be more the plastic material is more common it's very resistant but,
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1169.71 1171.34 Impersonal, mm-hmm. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1174.79 1175.21 Yeah. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1174.79 1175.61 Special for 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1177.64 1177.93 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1177.8 1182.43 Yeah, and i if you we want to put fashion in electronics maybe we can try to do something with wood. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1182.91 1183.28 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1182.92 1186.1 Yeah, even if it is not completely wood, but just a part of the,
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1186.1 1189.83 you know, will be wooden, in wood and it can be interesting. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1183.36 1183.52 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1186.11 1186.38 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1188.08 1188.13 Mm. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1190.39 1192.45 Mm okay, seems to be interesting, mm. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1191.08 1198.04 And so the last point is y also would do you want to have some very cheap 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1208 1211.13 it depends, but I think that low level will be, you know, it is an interim module. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1200.68 1208 integrated cir circuits, chips, or do you have low level or or very very expensive,
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1211.52 1217.18 Yeah, we want something easy to use and so I think maybe something very low level wou would be enough. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1213.19 1213.35 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1216.24 1216.57 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1216.57 1217.47 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1218.32 1219.8 And you think that we will be 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1220.28 1223.3 Yeah, I think it will fit on the price we want, twel twelve Euros, so. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1222.05 1222.42 Okay. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1223.6 1224.27 So wood. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1224.27 1225.89 And what about the buttons? 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1236.65 1248.95 it's fashion and it's related to how beautiful it is or uh if you want to watch T. V. in the darkness or if you want to lo find your find your your remote control that is lost,
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1230.22 1236.65 the L. C. D. you know lighted buttons because, you know, it's I don't know um yeah, in the dark 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1226.44 1230.22 I think the buttons I pr I prefer, you know,
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1248.95 1252.03 you know in the darkness it's very easy so, right. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1235.6 1236.64 No it's fashion, yeah. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1252.86 1255.72 What about the touch scr touch screen? 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1255.72 1257.08 For example. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1257.08 1259.21 It's it's expensive I I guess. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1259.61 1262.73 I think a touch screen 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1270.81 1272.99 It can also be interesting to have this kind of 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1267.92 1270.81 But And it is a kind of other design, I mean. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1264.09 1267.92 will be t as expensive as the L. C. D. buttons so. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1267.4 1267.55 Mm. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1270.93 1271.18 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1278.08 1278.95 So you got email? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1288.26 1289.66 Participant four? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1279.72 1281.31 I dunno. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1281.31 1288.26 I think we have only uh five minutes left. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1289.66 1290.72 Functional requirements? 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1286.96 1287.76 Okay. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1291.25 1292.45 Uh no, trend watching. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1294.01 1295.76 The other one. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1299.18 1299.5 This one? 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1301.18 1302.61 Uh, I think so, just 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1300.11 1301.18 Yeah. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1304.29 1316.81 Yeah, so just to meet the user requirements I would just do a s short anal analysis of the remote control market and to kind of um 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1318.95 1327.54 have a better overview of what's the fashion in general I've checked more than only the remote control market, so next. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1341.09 1350.27 Like the one you've shown, David, with all the buttons and I mean i i it sounds good technically but it's it's not what they want and uh 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1337.47 1341.09 They're not so so interested in uh functional look and feel, okay. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1329.27 1333.6 So again, it's pretty much similar to what I've said in the previous meeting. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1333.6 1337.47 Um user really really want a fancy look and feel. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1342.84 1343.25 Mm. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1345.17 1345.44 Mm. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1356.02 1360.19 so maybe it's sort of related to what you've said with the speech recognition and so on. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1351.7 1356.02 So, second point is they still want it it to be technologically innovative 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1361.24 1361.68 Okay. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1361.69 1364.61 At the same time, it's important that it's easy to use. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1371.14 1374.19 Now i if we look at fashion in general um 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1365.84 1371.14 So that were the three first points from the remote control uh analysis. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1375.74 1376.08 Okay. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1387.55 1393.77 okay, so I think we really have to take this into account for the design of the the thing. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1377.97 1387.55 Wha what we really see this year is that uh everything from clothes to shoes and furniture is is inspired by fruits and vegetables,
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1388.04 1388.5 Ah yes. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1393.39 1394.37 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1394.37 1394.83 Okay, yeah. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1397.44 1401.34 Even if it's in general fashion, we want it to be in the remote control. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1395.16 1397.44 'Cause it's it's really what people want. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1419.86 1425.95 Then easy to use uh it's not so important actually with respect to other y other ones. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1402.68 1409.39 And then uh if if we take the ordering or the ranking of all the points,
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1425.95 1433.68 So we see fancy look an look and feel is the most important one, and then if we combine this with the fashion uh from Milan and Paris 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1409.39 1415.51 fancy look and feel has, on a score of seven would have six as importance. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1415.51 1419.86 Uh the remote control has to be technologically innovative, it's three. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1425.03 1425.25 Okay. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1433.84 1435.41 And fruit and vegetables yeah. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1435.38 1437.33 we go to the fruits and vede vegetables. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1437.33 1448.63 And the other point I haven't mention is people wan want to have a spongy touch, okay so this is this maybe doesn't really fit with the wooden design. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1442.22 1444.36 Spongy 'Kay. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1448.82 1449.75 Okay, yeah, yeah. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1449.85 1450.24 I dunno. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1450.87 1454.83 Yeah, but the problem is which kind of material do you need to to be spongy? 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1455.28 1457.66 Yeah thi this is this would be like um 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1458.32 1458.46 Pla 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1458.76 1463.51 plastic-like, but rubber, mayb maybe, you know, rubber-like uh 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1458.78 1458.99 S 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1460.13 1463.27 Very stuff Okay, rubber rubber desi okay, yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1463.27 1463.45 Yeah. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1465.06 1466.37 device, so um 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1468.31 1468.51 Yeah. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1468.56 1471.84 Okay, tha tha that was the main point, I think, from the trend 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1473.3 1473.8 in fashion. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1474.7 1474.93 Okay. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1481.24 1495.8 So, as you say you want something technologically innovative, maybe using solar energy and with battery would be something interesting, maybe will attract 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1475.38 1481.24 So we have to take decisions about the component concepts, about the energy. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1485.8 1486 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1487.46 1488 Solar. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1488.97 1490.08 Yeah, so when I think it's 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1490.05 1490.33 Okay. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1496.4 1496.62 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1496.62 1496.86 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1498.18 1499.02 It will be a 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1498.96 1503.22 pro-ecology consumers. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1503.22 1512.89 Uh cheap imprint so you s you propose low level chips would be uh enough to have something working well. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1500.53 1500.79 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1508.2 1509.22 Yeah, I think 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1511.49 1513.03 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1513.03 1513.25 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1514.45 1514.93 Case. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1516.46 1516.9 Later? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1522.44 1524.61 So you think case. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1526.53 1528.16 Something spongy. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1528.16 1529.27 Someth no wood. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1529.71 1531.7 No wood but Plastic? 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1530.64 1535.81 Maybe not no wood, but I mean ma maybe not the part you touching you know. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1532.61 1533.21 Would some 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1534.93 1535.16 Pla 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1535.57 1536.12 Maybe you 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1538.55 1539.99 It depends on the design we want, so. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1535.77 1538.55 I think we can have wood for example in the bottom and, you know. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1538.2 1539.43 Yeah, maybe the base. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1540.8 1542.15 It's it's natural. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1540.85 1541.82 But still y 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1542.36 1544 Yeah, it's natural and i 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1542.69 1542.85 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1542.7 1545.54 Th The feeling is natural, so maybe we can stay with wood. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1546.02 1552.19 And it can be correlated to energy, solar energy, so for the marketing aspect, you know, saying that it's ecol 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1550.8 1555.29 Yeah, I mean it's not exactly right for the spongy point of view. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1554.82 1556.14 Mm, yeah, it's not right, so. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1556.53 1557.71 But it's still fashion. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1557.9 1563.5 But we could maybe have both like part of wood and some rubber for the buttons, or I dunno. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1562.52 1562.81 Okay. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1563.02 1565.45 Yeah, something that you can into it. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1564.75 1564.92 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1566.53 1569.42 Uh and what about the user interface concept? 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1571.16 1572.56 Google and 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1572.98 1573.9 Google and fancy? 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1573.88 1576.38 and fancy, f how about the the voice? 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1576.38 1577.12 And 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1576.38 1580.01 Because I think that with the voice and gesture recognition there are still some 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1581.48 1582.75 disadvantages with this. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1583.32 1583.98 Uh yes. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1583.62 1588.88 Uh maybe we can do some marketing studies asking people if they're interested and how 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1590.4 1596.56 It It is an an interesting concept to see to have uh voice control. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1594.77 1594.93 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1595.48 1595.61 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1597.27 1598.03 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1598.03 1600.27 The smart controller. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1598.32 1598.37 Mm. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1599.77 1606.86 But and the problem is I I'm we can infer i if you have v voice control why not to put it directly on the the T. V. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1606.86 1611.74 so speak directly to the T. V. and you don't need a remote control actually, so. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1599.15 1599.77 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1612 1616.64 Yeah, but you need a receiver to recognize the gestures and the voice. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1616.18 1619.33 But it will be embedded on the T. V. and not on the remote control, so. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1619.76 1620.4 That's true. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1620.05 1620.46 Yeah d 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1621.36 1621.6 Okay. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1622.06 1622.43 I dunno. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1622.28 1629.42 So maybe we'll just focus on the Google controller plus the fancy controller, maybe try to mix them these two concepts together 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1629.42 1638.24 just in one and do a remote control with solar energy and batteries and with lev low level chips and wood. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1625.25 1625.76 Mm. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1634.1 1634.23 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1639.12 1639.5 It's good. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1640.39 1642.46 And L. C. D. buttons. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1643.44 1644.32 Yeah, L. C. D. . 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1658.24 1667.32 Yeah, I think for these supplements the solar energy would be something quite interesting and not maybe too difficult to add. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1666.58 1667.98 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1670.68 1673.84 And pf what can we think a supplement to 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1675.11 1675.97 What interface? 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1676.6 1680.72 Yeah, for the interface something added value. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1681.24 1683.33 I think the supplement can be the voice. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1683.33 1686.22 It is just, you know, it is not the most important, but 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1687.56 1689.14 it can be a part of 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1691.39 1696.32 You mean the remote control with a mur module if you want you can just use 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1690.64 1691.39 With a module? 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1695.04 1696.21 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1697.7 1703.06 commands, words and use them when you don't want to use your fingers. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1699 1699.51 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1699.51 1699.6 Mm. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1700.84 1701.28 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1702.42 1704.14 To push button, yeah, yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1709.97 1712.35 Yeah, turning yeah, yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1704.14 1709.97 Even it is for s just some kids, you know, switching channels one two three four. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1712.35 1715.47 Not very complex commands, but easy commands, so. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1709.08 1711.69 Turning the T. V. o on o or off. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1714.97 1717.34 So, adding some vocal commands. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1717.63 1717.84 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1720.65 1721.4 Simple ones? 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1721.83 1723.05 Yeah, simple ones for 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1724.55 1724.81 Okay. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1727.63 1738.55 So the next meeting will start in thirty meeti minutes so we'll you will all have to work in 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1739.92 1743.48 in your direction. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1749.56 1759.55 powerful and fancy remote control with some added value such as the uh simple vocal commands recognition. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1743.48 1749.56 So you will have to work on the look and feel design, to have the easy to use 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1759.55 1762.26 Uh you will have to work more, Baba 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1762.26 1776.56 on the um spongy way to to add spongy um touch to the buttons and try to find maybe a nice shape for the wooden remote control. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1747.16 1747.34 Yeah. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1751.88 1752.01 Yep. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1758.48 1758.62 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1766.33 1771.23 expensive buttons Yeah, to make some new 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1775.58 1776.7 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1777.71 1782.38 And I sup I think we'll have to evaluate th the product too. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1781.88 1786.4 Yeah, no not forgetting about the fruits and vegetables trends. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1784.47 1784.83 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1784.98 1785.89 Okay, fruits. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1786.99 1787.36 Yeah. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1787.51 1788.06 If possible. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1788.62 1789.01 Okay. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1789.81 1793.7 And remember as as I said last meeting 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1793.7 1807.23 we really have to build a fashion remote control and uh the colour of the um the society will be really it will be seen in the remote control. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1807.23 1820.34 So you will have Baba and David Jordan you will have to work together on the prototype and you will have next time to show us um modelling a cl a clay remote control 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1820.34 1822.47 so you will have to model model something. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1803.43 1804.16 Need it to be, okay. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1812.85 1813.01 Yeah. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1820.17 1820.65 Okay. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1822.3 1822.44 Yep 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1820.34 1822.3 Okay. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1823.78 1829.1 And I think that some specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1829.6 1829.89 Okay. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1830.18 1832.91 So, no more questions, we can close the session. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1830.25 1830.66 Okay. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1833.35 1833.65 Hmm. 
IS1003c H01 MIO005 1833.73 1834.82 Sounds good, mm-hmm. 
IS1003c H03 MIO023 1834.5 1834.81 Okay. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1834.6 1835.63 Yeah. 
IS1003c H00 FIO017 1835.63 1836.57 Okay, cool. 
IS1003c H02 MIO035 1835.11 1835.35 Okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 38.11 38.68 So, ready? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 35.85 38.11 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 39.45 41.34 No not really. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 41.34 41.75 Just 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 39.88 40.24 'Kay. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 43.7 44.29 Crap. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 44.28 54.11 Sorry, I I um I'm afraid 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 45.79 46.12 Okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 49.56 52.45 It's perfect. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 50.51 56.87 Your judgement it's is biased. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 55.15 66.06 Uh thi this remote control will stay a prototype. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 57.65 59.34 'Kay, so whe where is the remote control? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 58.46 66.67 So, we are So 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 60.17 62 Where? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 62 63.3 It's here. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 67.97 68.2 Okay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 68.23 71.45 let's go for our detailed design meeting. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 72.25 72.52 Yep. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 86.71 91.66 David Jordan, and our Industrial Designer, Baba. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 72.92 86.71 So I will still play the role of the secretary, and we'll have um first the project presentation by our User Interface Designer,
IS1003d H02 MIO035 84.45 84.71 Okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 87.62 87.79 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 87.75 88.11 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 91.97 92.44 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 92.76 106.53 So we'll have to evaluate the uh your proposed remote control, and um have an idea of the price that uh this thing will cost. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 93.56 93.79 'Kay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 129.27 129.88 Oops. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 107.16 120.75 And in case if we're we all agree on the fabrica of um building of this remote control, we'll evaluate the um production. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 120.75 129.27 So maybe I will let the our two designers talk about so their You have s oh, sorry. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 126.42 127.67 I have slides. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 127.62 128.22 Okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 131 133.62 Ah, that is three. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 132.19 135.83 Effectively one slide and maybe we can discuss everything. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 134.37 135.77 Product prod 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 135.28 136 What slides? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 136.57 136.69 Yep. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 137.52 137.8 Okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 140.82 141.68 Okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 142.91 147.16 So, this is our product or prototype. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 148.44 150.16 This is made by clay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 150.62 153.59 Looks strange. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 166.23 169.77 So we used two basic colour, yellow and red. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 153.91 158.36 Uh the basic colour is uh yellow and red. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 151.59 153.91 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 183.81 186.41 So this is a introduction of our product. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 171.67 177.61 The first is a circle and the second is a triangle s piece. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 177.61 179.93 It's we call it a mushroom design. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 179.93 183.81 It's looks like some mushroom, so we call it mushroom design. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 169.77 171.67 And the shape, there's two basic shape. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 186.41 186.88 Next a mo 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 158.36 166.23 Yellow is uh our company colour, uh red it's uh is more attractive. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 161.65 162.33 Okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 177.62 178.03 Okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 180.83 181.95 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 183.16 183.58 Uh 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 184.75 191.89 Genetically modified mushroom I will say, but keep on speaking. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 189.04 192.79 Okay, yeah, so next slide. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 204.11 208.08 Yeah, so it's a fuzzy design, and a unique design. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 192.79 196.34 So there are several key features of our pr prototype. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 196.34 198.78 The first is that it is fuzzy. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 208.08 210.04 Um, and uh 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 198.78 204.11 I'm sure this would be the unique design the market. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 189.04 189.27 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 202.92 206.95 Maybe, I hope so. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 201.12 202.92 Oh. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 201.31 205.2 Yeah, yeah I'm sure. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 207.46 208.59 Yeah, that's true. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 217.18 224.35 In the traditional key uh traditional controller use button to to select the channel but now we have a s circle 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 224.35 229.21 so we can turn this ball to t to select channel. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 211.48 217.18 the second key feature is that uh s circle channel um selection. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 229.21 231.77 So it's quite convenient for user to use it. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 229.61 229.97 Chan 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 232 236.41 Yeah, okay, but don't touch don't destroy your prototype. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 240.55 244.82 Uh this sta uh this triangle base is very stable, so 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 232.79 236.5 Yeah, s okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 236.5 240.55 Uh the third feature is a stable triangle base. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 246.53 250.92 uh so it's it's um it's unlikely you cannot found it. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 250.92 258.05 So it's v Um, you can put it in the table so you can turn the the ball to cha to select the channel 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 259.88 261.35 and there's some cute button. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 261.35 267.66 You c can can you can see the the shape of the buttons n is a mushroom, so 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 267.36 268.99 Everything's mushroom. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 268.99 271.98 So we can call our remote control the mushroom. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 268.63 270.14 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 268.77 270.52 Yeah, everything's mushroom. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 270.52 271.3 Mush 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 272.07 281.33 Yeah but it's not like really mushroom because you have uh you know uh like lemon shape, you know, centre is yellow and t d 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 272.07 273 Mushroom design, yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 277.95 278.27 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 278.73 279.33 Okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 279.72 289.26 Yeah, th that's why if you put it in the table, be careful, somebody will eat it. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 282.7 283.91 To integrate, you know yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 288.18 292.85 You know, to integrate the fruit aspect, you know the the in 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 285.36 288.18 I don't think I hope nobody will eat it. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 290.64 290.88 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 290.95 292.02 Oh. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 291.12 294.07 Yeah, because mushroom was not in the trends. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 297.52 297.89 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 294.07 297.52 I mean there was fruits yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 294.48 294.99 Really? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 294.99 295.46 But 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 294.97 296.36 Fruits and vegetables. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 296.77 300.76 Fruit and vegetable, so mushroom was a kind of you know uh 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 298.14 299.42 Mushroom is a vegetable. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 297.42 298.14 Vegetables. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 298.78 300.77 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 299.51 300.75 I don't think it is. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 301.49 302.27 It's vegetable. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 305.89 310.99 We can it's a veg a kind of vegetable, but you know we we integrated them with different colour. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 302.64 303.58 Mushroom? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 303.58 305.89 Oh, uh I'm not sure. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 302.7 302.83 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 303 303.58 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 304.39 306.17 So th it's something eatable. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 306.32 306.76 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 308.32 308.56 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 309.94 313.08 But anyway this is not a mushroom anyway, so it's fine. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 312.52 315.13 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 318.55 321.2 This, you know, very enlighted colours, you know. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 313.14 318.55 I I think we take into account what you said about fruit and vegetable you know. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 321.54 323.19 Inspira inspiration is 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 319.57 321.54 No, I mean, yeah yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 322.27 327.33 And inspired colour and and very sophisticated material, so. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 327.12 327.36 True. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 328.98 329.18 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 329 331.51 And so 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 332.43 333.18 Next slide. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 333.82 336.02 Uh, no this our only two slides. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 341.54 347.73 so what is inside is what we dis what we talked before about, you know, the chip, it is a low level chip, and 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 335.16 341.54 So what we w what I can add is that, you know he talk about what is outside,
IS1003d H02 MIO035 341.39 341.56 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 347.48 350.95 So we cut it to see. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 348.67 350.56 You know, we don't need to k. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 350.56 358.25 You know wi the low level chips inside and you know the L. C. D. button and the i 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 349.86 350.19 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 357.84 359.28 So where's the battery battery? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 356.85 357.84 Okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 359.4 360.7 The battery it is under. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 360.7 364.18 It is in th in in the base, yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 364.09 366.07 And where is the solar solar cell? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 362.27 363.09 In the basement. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 363.09 364.09 In the basement. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 360.97 362.27 In the base. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 361.97 362.73 Base. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 362.73 363.04 Here? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 364.58 366.69 But we say uh we sa we said solar. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 367.4 368.65 Where is the solar cell? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 382.73 384.31 I it might be okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 367.49 380.26 In fact this this this this is a kind of you know revolutionary solar receptor that we can put outside and I don't think so,
IS1003d H01 MIO005 380.26 382.73 but it it's might be okay, so. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 384.31 384.57 So 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 374.48 377.72 Do you think it won't be It won't cris increase the price? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 373.9 374.48 Oh. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 374.62 374.93 Okay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 380.17 381.4 Okay, we'll see after. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 381.4 391.03 We will have first to so, mister money, what's your opinion according to this remote control? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 384.26 384.49 Okay. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 387.74 387.97 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 391.02 394.02 I mean, we gonna try to measure how 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 395.57 409.2 good it is instead of just talking about uh we had three keys key points to uh for this remote control design, and first one was uh 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 410.3 410.62 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 411.46 412.16 fancy 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 415.01 415.75 look and feel. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 415.99 416.54 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 416.48 416.74 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 417.75 426.7 So w we'll try to judge this feature uh with a one to seven scale, one being uh no, I think. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 426.7 428.97 Uh just let me check. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 429.4 432.05 So, four point three point five, it means it's acceptable. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 432.6 435.8 One one being true, and seven being false. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 437.46 437.82 Ouch. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 435.8 437.46 Okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 436.85 437.49 Oops. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 439.71 440.26 So 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 441.97 442.21 Okay. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 442.47 445.71 Do we have a fancy look and feel, according to you? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 444.4 445.48 Yeah, I think so. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 445.35 447.34 I think you have nice colours. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 447.34 450.21 I don't The sha the bowl shape people like. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 447.46 448.05 But is it 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 449.33 451.84 Yeah, the shape is unique, and the colour 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 451.82 453.88 Uh I'll agree it's unique, but is it really 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 453.71 456.94 Is it really fancy? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 454.17 457.75 So it depend on how d do you define fancy. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 458.49 463.66 Yeah I mean, fancy was was defined by s fruit and vegetable look. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 463.39 473.29 But it's you have the lemon aspect of this th this this thing. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 466.74 472.42 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 471.63 476.99 Maybe if you change if you take the buttons out, and maybe do things like that 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 474.51 476.04 Do Don't do that, please. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 476.97 480.89 I dunno where the lemon is, but I mean it's not obvious. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 478.94 482.06 I it's it's i this shape is a lemon like, so 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 482.23 484.71 It would be bet more like a lemon? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 485.16 485.3 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 485.52 486.57 If 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 488.64 489.14 Because i 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 488.71 493.64 I dunno, maybe improving the texture of like having it less smooth or 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 491.06 491.38 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 492.5 493.08 Less button. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 494.79 495.02 Uh 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 497.04 498.4 so, my mush. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 498.69 500.68 Looks like more fruit. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 500.68 502.31 Maybe a pineapple? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 500.47 502.03 Yeah, but you don't have any button now. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 500.56 500.76 Mm. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 503.57 504.28 I dunno. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 503.34 503.57 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 504.82 506.13 And you know, you have the 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 507.25 509.84 finger here, with the buttons? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 508.82 509.03 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 510.36 510.57 Hmm. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 512.84 515.33 So that's great. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 510.54 512.84 That's uh yeah, is that that's a good idea. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 515.33 516.58 That's great. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 511.83 512.91 Yeah, it's getting 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 513.22 515.73 It looks more like a pineapple. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 516.64 517.96 What's the use for that? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 515.73 516.64 Sorry. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 519.16 526.94 If you want to turn the ball, it's very it's very convenient for you to to to turn the ball to change the channel. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 517.79 519.16 Uh, for turn turn the ball. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 518.09 519.71 I have no idea, so. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 520.65 526.97 I have no idea what 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 527 529.82 And where is the voice recognition? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 527.42 527.79 Okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 528.12 528.23 Uh. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 530.55 533.44 Ah, it's embedded, your microphone. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 535.94 537.8 This is microphone array 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 533.44 535.94 Th this th th there's two two functions. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 532.96 534.18 Yeah, that's 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 533.19 533.76 Okay. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 534.72 536.36 Wait th that's the second point. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 536.36 540.87 First one is we have to judge the fancy look and feel. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 538.53 539.5 If it is fancy or not. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 542.75 546.82 Looks okay, let's say it's a pineapple now. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 540.08 540.87 Okay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 540.87 542.75 Is it better like that? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 541.97 543.24 I mean 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 542.41 544.2 So we can we can say t 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 545.3 546.88 The colour, is the colour acceptable? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 546.6 548.75 No, the colour is okay, that's fine. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 548.75 552.24 I mean it's but I would say there is more too much red. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 548.45 549.29 So the shape now. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 549.94 553.3 It looks like a now you took it. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 554.44 555.3 In the basement? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 552.87 554.44 It's too much red? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 553.8 556.15 Um if 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 566.09 567.54 Mm uh 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 555.71 566.09 It looks like a pineapple with cherry on top. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 558 562.12 Okay. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 562.84 564.91 So, from one to seven? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 559.02 562.84 Right. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 559.64 568.11 I will give I will 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 567.67 569.11 Seven is the ma the maximum? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 569.39 571.94 No, seven is false and one is true. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 569.49 570.26 I'll gi 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 573.95 575.65 I'll give two or three. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 577.24 577.89 Three, three. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 575.65 577.24 Three, it's okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 577.89 578.76 Three is fine for me. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 576.08 577.29 Three, I will say three. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 577.66 577.92 Three? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 579.02 579.54 Okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 579.29 579.46 'Kay. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 582.58 582.91 Three. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 582.97 584.5 Isn't it bitter like that? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 584.15 586.87 Yeah yeah yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 584.67 587.31 Then uh let me 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 587.11 587.9 What other 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 589.08 596.07 The other criterion is is it technologically uh technologically in innovative. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 590.77 592.19 Is it easy to use? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 594.08 594.84 Feasible? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 596.55 597.15 Ye uh 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 596.89 601.41 You said previously that you there's um microphone inside an 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 601.04 601.6 Embedded. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 601.19 603.52 Yeah, this is microphone array, in fact. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 603.52 604.86 There four microphone. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 604.86 607.97 So they they they they there's a microphone array. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 603.23 605 It's a micro array, okay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 612.76 617.29 And you can turn it so maybe it's techno technologically innov innovative? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 604.79 612.76 Okay, and you have the there's the technology inside that recognise simple vocal comments? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 604.17 604.79 Oh. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 610.79 612.59 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 612.59 614.69 So you can capture voice yeah, you c 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 613.92 614.63 Oh yeah, yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 615.51 620.02 Yeah, so you can capture s voice from different directions. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 620.02 620.14 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 616.28 620.17 And I think you you've never seen a rou a round remote control, so it is 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 619.97 625.69 Yeah bu but when you say technologically it's more uh I dunno, in the core, or single. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 620.37 620.48 I 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 622.15 623.95 W Yeah, but 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 626.09 627.8 We have tactile buttons. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 629.21 629.75 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 631.54 633.23 You have That's good. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 633.23 638.85 And you have, you know this ki this solar receptor that, you know Yes. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 638.85 639.05 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 629.87 631.54 I see, you have microphone array embedded. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 632.37 632.6 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 631.88 632.37 No, that's good. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 635.76 636.32 Oh, yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 638.97 641.14 Maybe okay. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 636.83 638.97 Yeah, th that's another really good point. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 640.37 642.2 I think technically it's acceptable, so 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 643.07 643.75 Maybe two? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 644.17 644.45 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 644.17 645.65 So using the same scale, two? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 645.88 647.96 I would say two. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 647.96 648.38 You agree? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 645.54 645.88 Two? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 646.36 647.24 It's it's fine, so. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 645.84 646.36 Two, yeah, two. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 648.48 649.79 Okay. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 649.79 651.77 Now maybe the most critical one. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 648.55 649.44 Yeah, I agree. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 649.51 650.74 It's better like that, isn't it? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 651.82 653.05 Most 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 652.14 652.63 Okay. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 652.95 655.4 L last one w I would like to judge is 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 656.69 658.08 is it easy to use? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 664.68 666.13 But it's just speaking. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 661.73 664.68 Eh, for th the vocal command yes, it's might be easy. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 666.13 667.1 You just need the command. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 664.98 665.9 Yeah, it's very easy. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 666.48 670.3 Yeah but this this turning can you can you just re explain me the 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 666.97 668.71 You can use this in this way. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 670.49 672.57 As a principle. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 671.42 673.13 Please. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 671.48 671.73 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 673.27 674.79 Th this is the base. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 674.79 677.53 So you can turn to change the channel. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 674.71 674.89 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 678.4 682.58 Yeah but how how intuitive is it to turn things to change channels? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 681.27 683.51 You just tu turn d d 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 682.71 683.81 I think maybe if you he 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 683.54 685.23 Like if you want to go from 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 685.81 692.75 You take take the remote, so and you can turn like that to change the channel? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 683.99 685.81 Oh, ok I understand. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 692.75 699.58 I think it's quite easy to so s zapping, but maybe it will be too fast. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 685.38 686.9 If you hear some click 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 689.73 690.11 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 691.7 691.96 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 692.19 694.21 Yeah but imagine you y 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 696.94 700.25 Yeah, it would 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 697.6 704.7 Yeah I'm I'm no I'm not definitely convinced it's it's the best way to if you wanna jump from, I dunno, one to twenty? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 705.21 706.47 Oh yeah, that's difficult. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 706.47 707.68 That's dif that's difficult. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 705.23 705.57 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 705.96 709.8 How can you go directly to twenty, for example? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 710.65 714.64 I if y uh if it depend on the the angle you turn the 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 709.59 710.65 No, no, no. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 711.01 711.89 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 715.69 716.15 I agree. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 716.15 716.57 I agree. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 716.57 719.85 But I mean if you're fro from two? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 714.96 715.69 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 715.59 718.62 Yeah but y how you need to know I 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 724.98 725.17 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 717.56 719.67 I if if this is a channel one. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 719.67 723.8 So it c it could be channel two, channel three, channel four, channel five. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 723.8 724.98 So change. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 721.38 722.83 I think something that Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 723.48 726.56 Yeah, you have a, like that, and so on. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 725.5 726.52 And you you can 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 725.68 729.51 Yeah ju just imagine you have fifty fifty channels uh 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 727.98 728.56 Oh yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 735.42 738.99 So you got how many degree you you it 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 729.52 735.42 Y uh fifth channel divided by the num by the by three hundred thirteen degree. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 730.4 731.2 We're not talking 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 734.8 735.07 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 737.73 742.05 Yeah but y but you have to go through all the channels if you want to go 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 740.69 743.05 I think you can if you have a scale, so 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 740.77 746.46 No no, you don't have to y no it's uh when you when you stop t uh when you stop, the 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 747.36 748.12 the turn, 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 748.75 749.13 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 749.64 753.82 then the angle you stop is the angle you is the channel you 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 753.01 753.78 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 753.78 756.01 How d how do you know this angle is th is the correct one? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 757.57 762.4 It's it's very easy, because you kn you know how many channel are there in the 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 761.75 765.43 So you you count one degree, two degrees, no. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 765.85 766.44 You can do it. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 765.35 765.85 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 767.44 771.45 I don't think so. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 768.27 771.34 Yeah, it's a bit difficult. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 772.71 774.59 I think so, you can just change. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 768.39 772.71 I think so I think so you can do it. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 774 776.48 I think b but the the vocal command is easy too. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 776.48 779.59 You can say fifty and fifty it's okay, so 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 779.13 784.25 But w we've said previously that maybe it's not going to be th l the main 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 777.02 779.13 Yeah voc vocal command is okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 782.06 783.71 There's uh also a number, you know. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 803.06 806.97 Just go through all the channels and maybe stop if there is something interesting? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 792.96 797.67 so you can say channel twenty, or channel four, because you really want to go on this channel. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 782.74 788.45 Yeah, but when you're zapping you're changing from one channel to the other, so you're passing through all the channels. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 788.45 792.96 So, when you say I want to go to the channel number twenty that's you've decided to go to channel twenty,
IS1003d H00 FIO017 797.67 803.06 But if you really want to to do zapping you you don't really know what you want to do, you can turn it. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 794.44 796.24 Uh, yeah, and y that's yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 798.28 799.75 And this would be more for browsing, ah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 800.52 800.62 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 802.98 803.14 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 804.36 806.46 To see uh yeah uh 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 806.25 806.47 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 804.67 805.52 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 805.52 806.25 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 807.3 807.43 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 807.33 807.67 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 808.63 809.41 Seems to be good. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 810.35 810.63 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 811.84 814.87 Good choice, mister David Jordan. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 813.27 815.77 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 815.48 817.55 Yeah, I mean you're famous. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 817.55 818.66 You. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 816.32 817.58 And but I'd 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 816.64 818.11 And also you can, if you i 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 818.11 821.31 yeah, what's what's this cherry? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 835.78 837.19 This is coarse, this is fine. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 833.75 835.78 It's like fine, from coarse to fine. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 823.01 825 For this you can tune it's for tune. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 820.45 823.01 Or you ca you can you can also turn this. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 825 829.11 You you if you want to skip from channel one to channel two, you you skip this. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 829.11 833.75 If you want to from uh skip from channel one to channel ten you tune this. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 818.95 820.45 You ca you can turn this. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 821.79 823.71 It is a turn off t turn off button, maybe. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 833.71 834.42 Mm. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 837.81 838.22 That's 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 837.23 837.81 Yeah, yeah yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 837.99 838.49 Okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 838.28 839.86 So it's coarse to fine design. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 839.4 840.78 that's very technologic, so. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 840.78 842.93 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 840.8 841.36 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 840.95 842.34 Okay the uh th this looks better. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 842.34 842.49 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 842.5 846.68 Yeah is is this is, from one channel to maybe to ten channel. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 846.68 849.07 This is from one channel to 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 844.49 850.64 S But I di I didn't see where the t f the turn off t turn on turn off button so much activates maybe one of the 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 850.58 852.49 Yeah, th you have the vocal commands. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 850.94 851.16 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 850.58 850.94 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 852.58 855.11 Uh it's k on off, yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 853.15 853.46 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 853.77 854.83 On off. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 855.66 859.37 Yeah, but it has to be on to recognise fas 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 858.25 862.27 Most of the time you have the yeah it's a sleeping remote control. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 862 863.57 Yeah, sleeping. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 862.99 866.2 Ah, that's not the ecological part, yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 871.5 874.36 So three. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 865.31 865.74 That's true. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 865.74 871.5 W that why we have the solar ti yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 867.46 868.2 Solar. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 870.36 870.51 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 867.82 870.36 To compensate. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 870.55 870.78 Okay. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 871.51 872.39 So, which number? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 873.77 879.67 Easy to use, it's very relative but three it's fine, I think, it's reasonable three. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 878.42 878.72 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 878.67 879.44 Do you agree? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 879.44 879.82 Three? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 879.38 880.29 Yeah, agree, agree. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 880.26 882.05 So reasonably, is four, is one? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 889.25 893.69 Maybe you can vote to see how many everybody gives and no and just take the mean. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 888.08 889.25 Four or three. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 882.5 888.08 Three f three for me, it's o it's okay. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 886.47 888.85 So, three. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 892.82 894.68 And what's your opinion? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 894.92 900.36 Uh we wouldn't say, I mean, those are sort of agreed but this one would be more five to me. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 903.41 907.72 I'm not really convinced it's so easy to use, but I don't know. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 900.36 903.41 I'd like I mean this is the just a prototype. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 895.06 895.62 Will you give 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 896.77 897.02 four? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 899.84 900.13 Five? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 906.15 908.47 Yeah, so maybe if 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 914.91 916.78 I think it's easier than traditional controller. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 928.58 932.05 But in the traditional controller, how do how can you control the scale? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 923.53 928.58 There's two kind of balls, the smaller the the the so you can c you can c you can control the scale. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 907.49 914.91 Uh w w what do y what uh you compare with traditional uh um tr traditional controller? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 916.78 923.53 If you use traditional controller you have to put a button, but now you don't have to put button, you have you just turn the turn the ball. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 911.82 911.97 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 922.66 924.32 Yeah but y you know 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 923.64 926.85 So you have yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 932.41 935.47 Uh by pushing zero after after the first one. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 936.23 938.3 And that's 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 933.03 936.23 You just push two button, zero and and one. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 935.61 938.07 Yeah, yeah, yeah, y you you can do it 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 938.07 946.16 but you can also do it in the b if you you do not wa if you do not want to browsing all the channel you can just p there's also a button here. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 938.05 938.25 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 947.33 947.74 Okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 946.48 947.33 Are there some buttons? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 947.52 954.42 Yeah, this function is just for your browsing, from one channel to th the next one, the next s sn s, the th the third one. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 953.64 953.93 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 953.65 955.18 It's not what you said previously. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 955.18 958.75 Previously you said that turning this was the fine 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 955.4 957.17 Yeah, if you're changing your mind. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 959.61 960.4 Fine to coarse. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 960.43 961.59 Fine to coarse. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 961.59 964.76 And from ten to ten channels here. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 961.08 961.93 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 963.92 968.16 Y one to ten, ten to twelve, uh ten to t uh twenty. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 968.16 971.77 Ten to twenty and this one, t one two three four five six, like this. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 972.02 972.54 Okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 972.95 978.93 Uh there's different scale, so you can you can choose how much do you want to sc 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 977.44 980.89 But this this has to stay on the table, right? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 975.91 977.44 Okay. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 980.89 983.61 This has to stay on the table. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 980.3 980.59 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 983.93 987.11 In fact on a flat place 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 984.56 987.16 I i this is just a base. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 987.16 987.8 You can just 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 989.19 990.27 You can 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 989.62 991.69 Yeah but then uh when you turn turn it 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 989.67 990 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 990.8 991.21 Oh 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 992.13 993.63 Oh ye yes, that's right. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 995.6 997.42 It's just your turning from the base. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 999.02 1002.08 If you want to turn, you can't use it and turn. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 992.5 994.12 Yeah, no no, no. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 994.12 995.6 You can't put it out. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1002.08 1003.22 It's impossible. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1003.22 1004.94 You need to put it on and turn. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 997.42 999.02 You need to have everything in hand. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 992.93 993.68 Just 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 994.91 995.67 It's 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1001.74 1008.86 Oh my God. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1002.98 1003.14 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1004.42 1008.86 You know tha that's the weak point, because with a traditional one you just have one hand. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1005.47 1007.5 You use your y 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1007.85 1015 Yeah, but nobody would be able to take it in the pocket and bring it in the kitchen and say I've lost the remote control. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1018.17 1020.87 So nobody w will lost lose it. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1015 1018.17 Nobody would take it. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1014.16 1024.58 So th this is a d next generation controller. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1024.58 1026.3 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1017.45 1019.73 Yeah, you would never you would never lose this one, yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1016.3 1017.45 Sure. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1023.66 1029.78 yeah maybe, maybe may it's the next prototype, maybe we cou 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1023.93 1024.35 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1027.42 1029.31 Okay okay, okay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1029.58 1031.01 S maybe we can change from th 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1031.04 1032.52 Maybe four, it's okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1030.69 1031.04 Four. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1032.52 1033.3 I'll put four. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1031.8 1032.06 Okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1031.33 1031.8 Four. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1034.14 1035.13 Gonna say four. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1032.9 1034.14 Easy to use, four. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1032.21 1032.9 Four? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1034.14 1035.33 Four. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1035.33 1037.71 Uh it's even easier to maybe. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1034.64 1035.83 Yeah, four it's more reasonable. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1038.46 1041.02 You can you can erase with this er yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1040.46 1040.6 Ok 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1042.79 1043.33 Okay. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1042.88 1043.65 Mm. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1048.11 1049.4 Yeah, four it's more reasonable, so. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1050.71 1055.71 So it's nine, nine over three. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1055.71 1058.36 Oh yeah, it's. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1050.76 1051.68 So, average? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1053.88 1054.27 Three? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1053.97 1054.68 Three? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1055.71 1057.11 Three. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1054.96 1055.71 Trois. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1056.35 1058.85 Trois. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1058.56 1059.98 Okay, so 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1060.18 1063.75 It need maybe some wo further work, but it's 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1062.8 1064.34 Yeah, especially on the easy to use 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1064.32 1065.35 Yeah, uh s yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1065.03 1065.22 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1065.66 1066.06 target. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1066.47 1068 Might it might be fine. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1067.27 1069.91 So, th the project is accepted? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1067.71 1067.96 Okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1070.39 1070.54 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1071.28 1073.28 Yeah, b I think 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1082.53 1089.73 If you re we really want to have a fruitful remote control. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1072.3 1082.53 But I d m I think that it will be good to do some more work to transform this into a pineapple. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1080.58 1080.78 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1080.96 1081.56 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1082.16 1082.29 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1085.29 1089.69 Okay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1094.6 1096.64 So uh mm mm. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1096.64 1097.02 Mm. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1096.33 1097.14 That's the finance. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1097.8 1101.76 Okay and we we had a project prototype presentation with the 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1102.91 1104.19 evaluation. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1104.19 1119.63 So as we all agree to accept, under certain conditions, the prototype, we'll have look to the final sh financial view. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1109.59 1109.84 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1109.71 1109.95 Mm. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1111.32 1111.56 Okay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1141.17 1146.83 So, just have a look at the okay here is the 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1120.88 1127.02 So we need to calculate the production cost. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1127.02 1136.42 As I said in the first meeting we need to have so a remote control that would cost not more than twelve and point fifty Euros. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1136.42 1141.17 And if not if it's not the case y you would have to redesign it. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1126.55 1127.06 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1133.96 1134.33 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1136.28 1136.55 Mm-hmm. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1139.95 1140.78 Oh yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1140.6 1140.78 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1148.4 1149.18 Excel 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1160.15 1162.93 No, we don't use that. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1162.93 1165.71 We have battery, right? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1158.32 1160.15 We have hand dynamo. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1150.45 1158.32 sheet, so so it has the energy source. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1172.06 1175.42 Do you think one would be enough, or such as 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1169.61 1172.06 Um, how many do y do you need, solar cells? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1165.71 1169.61 Kinetic, we don't have it, I suppose, but we have solar cells. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1160.73 1161.44 No. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1164.16 1165.13 Yeah, we have battery. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1166.96 1169.29 No, um solar cells, yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1176.63 1180 Uh I think in each ball you have three three uh yeah, three, yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1180 1181.31 Three three solar cells. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1176.76 1178.49 as number of branches? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1181.34 1183.19 So, electronic. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1178.49 1181.34 Three? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1185.11 1186.92 Single simple chip on print? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1188.69 1188.96 One? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1186.92 1188.69 Just one would be necessary? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1189.07 1189.29 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1186.98 1189.07 S s simple, simple, yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1190.29 1192.3 Zero for the others. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1194.07 1196.91 And sample sensor, sample speaker. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1198.76 1198.99 One? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1198.78 1199.67 Mm. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1199.67 1200.8 One maybe, yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1200.58 1202.43 As we have voice recognition, I think. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1201.83 1202.66 Yeah yeah yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1204.2 1205.2 So the case. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1204.22 1204.74 Is it 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1205.67 1206.72 Is sh it 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1208.44 1209.93 So we are all already nineteen. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1210.02 1212.14 Wooden. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1211.03 1216.8 Okay, just keep on going, just to have an idea. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1214.31 1217.9 The solar cell is too expensive. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1215.83 1216.71 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1218.79 1222.56 Is Yes a wooden pl I and that's There's no wood, so plastic just only, I think. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1220.91 1223.83 Well uh yeah, but what what about case? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1223.83 1226.84 Uncurved, flat, single curved, double curved. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1226.84 1228.19 I think it's more like double curved. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1227.54 1229.11 That's gonna be double curved, yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1228.14 1229.4 Double curve, yeah, double curve. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1229.69 1230.03 One? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1231.1 1231.92 One, you have. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1237.21 1238.44 Uh wood? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1239.95 1242.2 But it's yeah, a a rubber uh 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1241.91 1242.97 Oh no, interface. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1240.53 1241.91 Rather four buttons. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1249.22 1249.85 Push button. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1246.13 1249.22 We have two special colours. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1241.95 1244.99 Uh do we need special colour? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1244.99 1246.13 Y maybe, two? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1246.66 1247.74 Y y yeah, yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1245.66 1246.66 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1246.08 1247.93 Yeah, yeah that's special colours, sure. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1251.6 1252.41 Yeah, we have four. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1251.08 1251.6 Mm. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1253.87 1256.27 Five. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1254.18 1254.64 Five? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1256.01 1256.72 Okay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1261.73 1262.58 We don no. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1260.83 1261.73 Scroll wheel. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1261.72 1261.93 No. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1264.08 1266.83 It it's more like integrated scor. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1265.82 1268.08 I think that this will be like a scroll wheel, actually. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1268.08 1270.33 Y you tu you turn you turn it, so 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1266.48 1266.86 No no. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1267.17 1268.28 Yeah tha that's wheel. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1268.36 1269.39 No no no, it 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1270.57 1272.67 Okay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1271.56 1276.84 Yeah, maybe two scroll wheel, as we have the coarse coarse to fine scroll wheel. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1272.3 1272.66 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1273.78 1274.21 Yeah, true. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1274.67 1274.88 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1274.21 1274.67 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1277.26 1277.48 Scr 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1276.47 1277.26 Okay, yeah, yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1280.23 1282.43 So, no button supplements? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1280.41 1281.56 I think the price is okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1282.58 1282.77 No. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1283.56 1284.02 Okay. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1283.56 1286 Um, no. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1287.99 1290.95 Okay we I think we have problem. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1291.41 1292.06 Interface. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1290.04 1291.41 L. C. display, maybe. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1292.92 1299.34 I think we s if we keep on adding things so we have to 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1297.14 1297.5 fine. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1295.95 1297.14 It's okay. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1299.28 1301.9 Yeah w one of the m key point is solar cells. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1302.24 1306.65 Maybe if w t if suppose if we change and we g put just one? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1309.89 1310.24 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1311.13 1311.92 Has it changed. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1313.05 1314.25 Yeah, it was stage one, so. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1313.7 1317.31 No y i it did change, but just imagine we have 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1315.35 1315.91 Okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1315.91 1323.91 We have change the electronics to from from the the the sample sensor to regular chip. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1323.91 1324.24 Oh. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1320.91 1321.18 So 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1326.02 1328.53 We have to delete the the sample sensor, I think. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1328.43 1329.04 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1328.45 1331.47 Yeah, but we have you the the voice recognition, no? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1333.3 1336.4 Yeah but this one one of the feature we were not really 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1340.3 1342.05 Advanced version we have speak. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1335.54 1340.3 Yeah it's the one it's m maybe we ha we have two versions, the first version, the basic version. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1337.09 1337.43 Okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1342.47 1348.97 Because uh it seems that this can be yeah, wood into plastic and it it should be fine. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1340.01 1342.47 I think you can transform the wood into plastic, maybe. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1340.48 1340.65 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1342.85 1343.81 Yeah, if 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1343.75 1344.65 Or it would be better. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1351.62 1354.11 Plastic is free. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1353.09 1353.32 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1355.78 1357.34 So, do we need special colour? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1358.13 1360.55 Yeah, that's one of the requirement. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1359.07 1359.95 Because we have red. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1360.67 1362.52 Yeah, red and yellow. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1362.52 1363 Fancy. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1361.17 1361.34 Wait. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1361.43 1362.04 Red and yellow. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1366.76 1368.58 Black then is a regular colour, so. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1362.48 1366.76 We could turn we could turn everything in either yellow or black. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1362.66 1365.36 We we can we can we c yellow. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1369.03 1372 I think so we need if we try to have a kind of 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1372.37 1373.47 Yeah, one. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1372.9 1375.92 pineapple bee. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1374.36 1374.76 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1376.39 1380.22 So push button then it's it's the next expensive one. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1380.18 1382.84 An but we have integrated scroll wheel with push dut button. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1384.55 1386.73 Integrated scroll wheel push button. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1386.73 1388.43 So we'll we have only one? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1379.55 1380.18 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1382.84 1384.55 And I think this is one. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1384.34 1386.05 Yeah, thi this might be. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1390.46 1395.05 And push button. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1395.05 1400.8 So if we have all integrated i in the scroll wheel and push button, it's uh 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1393.57 1394.25 Close to. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1396.61 1396.93 One. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1400.98 1409.5 I can remove maybe f you have five with push buttons, so we can just, I dunno, try to modify some of them to have yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1412.28 1414.59 Okay, so what's the bottleneck? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1416.84 1418.98 How about we change the sale? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1417.57 1418.61 Double curved. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1422.07 1423.51 F some 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1418.82 1422.07 We can transform the double curve into single c yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1418.18 1418.82 Double curve. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1420.91 1422.16 Something flat. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1422.98 1424.44 Yeah, but flat 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1426.85 1428 Yeah, maybe not. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1424.76 1426.85 S uncurved. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1426.35 1429.6 Single curve. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1429.6 1431.37 Single curve should be fine, so. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1426.38 1428.32 Case, what's the ca 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1429.19 1429.5 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1434.79 1436.21 Oh, what 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1438.87 1439.99 Nearly. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1437.87 1438.87 Mm. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1438.24 1441.51 Ah we have one 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1438.56 1440.55 And then one Euro left. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1442.73 1443.55 Um. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1468.45 1474.13 So yeah, you will have So one button, and s 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1457.49 1460.06 We only need maybe just one. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1454.98 1457.49 I think there's a problem with the push push button. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1460.06 1463.23 Just one. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1463.23 1468.45 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1445.95 1454.98 Maybe don't bat no battery, only solar cells. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1446.76 1455.03 It's it's a bad idea, so. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1454.3 1455.78 Um 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1479.44 1481.41 It I th it's fine. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1457.97 1459.68 Two? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1459.68 1464.31 One. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1468.84 1479.44 One s one scroll wheel, so And the vocal chord, it's fine. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1464.31 1465.88 That's fine. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1465.88 1468.84 That's fine. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1464.58 1465.37 Okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1466.38 1466.92 Agree. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1465.37 1466.38 Okay. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1468.29 1469.56 So we have one button, 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1470.42 1471.47 one wheel. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1475.4 1477.08 scroll wheel with push button on it. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1481.56 1482.2 So 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1482.53 1484.67 It's good they're not charging anything for that. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1485.78 1487.3 So, yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1487.3 1490.04 It think we we've done good job, as the cost is 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1490.44 1491.81 Cou could we have look 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1491.2 1492.9 twelve fifty e 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1492.58 1496.83 Could we have look at the p the the prod the p the cost? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1494.65 1498.4 We're not under twelve Euros and a half. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1493.54 1494.65 Yeah y actually it's wrong. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1499.8 1501.65 Sometimes it's under or equal. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1496.38 1499.1 Yeah, but it's under or equal. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1499.1 1499.8 It's not written. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1499.62 1500.3 It's fine. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1501.38 1502.23 It's under or equal. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1502.23 1502.99 It's fine, so 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1501.94 1503.18 Okay. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1503.18 1503.46 Okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1505.12 1506.38 So let's say 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1504.07 1505.12 Okay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1507 1508.27 Twelve fifty. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1507.59 1508.75 Wha what yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1508.96 1510.5 It's fine, twelve fifty uh 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1509.84 1512.81 Which part is the most expensive part? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1512.68 1513.71 Solar cells. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1513.59 1515.34 The solar cells, r is i is it? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1513.84 1514.62 Yeah, I think. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1514.66 1516.54 Yeah, I think it's not t t 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1517.96 1519.21 I think, yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1519.21 1527.34 But it would i be interesting for our marketing team, to make a lot of advertisement concerning these solar cells to be 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1522.63 1524.11 Yeah, to be able to si to sell it. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1526.71 1527.12 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1527.81 1528.14 Cheaper. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1528.12 1532.84 That's nice argument, but if it's it's still four our of twelve. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1529.08 1530.55 Yeah, with mi 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1531.2 1535.02 It's it is really really uh really very very expensive, though. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1534.9 1535.14 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1536.15 1537.97 Maybe if uh okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1537.83 1538.03 Okay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1544.84 1550.94 So it's easy to use and powerful, as the remote control a has only one button. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1537.84 1544.84 Yeah but it will be technologically innova innovative, so. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1540.35 1541.19 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1541.54 1543.52 Yeah but we just have one button. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1555.4 1555.56 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1552.98 1553.49 Easy. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1553.49 1555.4 I don't know about powerful. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1556.91 1559.45 It's very easy to use. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1556.18 1556.91 It's easy to use. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1556.47 1557.85 Easy, powerful. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1560.78 1561.12 Mm. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1562 1567.09 So I don't think we need to redesign the p the product. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1567.65 1568 No. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1567.79 1570.06 Uh that's what we've just done. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1570.51 1574.15 We've done it with it is under the if it was low, high or so. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1571.02 1571.55 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1571.43 1571.6 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1577.24 1577.8 Um 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1577.72 1578.56 So 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1580.25 1580.49 okay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1581.24 1582.03 Now 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1581.38 1581.84 So 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1583.93 1586.94 So what are we going to do with this project evaluation? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1587.49 1588.57 So 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1587.6 1589.66 Well I think we have just have to discuss if 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1589.53 1591.29 Okay, okay, it's fine. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1590.96 1591.28 I dunno. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1593 1596.44 So did you enjoy your clay modelling? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1596.53 1597.31 Yes. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1597.31 1598.23 Of course. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1598.23 1600.63 This is my job. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1598.46 1601.31 Yeah? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1601.31 1604.59 Was it a nice way to create your remote control? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1604.28 1606.22 Yeah, it's uh 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1607.74 1608.74 it's good, to 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1609.71 1614.93 to create a control instead of a computer. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1617.05 1624.14 Yeah, I think I find it really funny and amazing and interesting to go through all the process to from the beginning to the end. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1625.22 1632.33 And designing, looking at the chips, the solar cells and uh and it was very informative for. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1628.21 1628.55 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1632.92 1635.86 And for the marketing guy? 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1636.03 1641.65 Uh tha that was good but we should have more brainstorming like meetings, maybe. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1641.65 1644.02 'Cause we just presenting one is presenting his stuff 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1641.37 1642.09 Yep. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1645.11 1649.31 next one his stuff and then we try to combine afterwards, so it um. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1645.57 1645.99 Okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1648.5 1649.73 Okay, okay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1650.31 1657.79 And new ideas about new products, maybe, wi which would be fashion and uh 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1660.38 1661.13 and yellow. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1662.4 1663.47 Yellow. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1663.47 1669.21 I think you can think about a yellow T. V. now after a fruit T. V. or I dunno. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1669.21 1671.41 It can be an interesting I don't know 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1670.97 1672.08 Yes, just lemon. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1672.36 1675.17 Yeah, just a lemon T. V. it'd be yellow lemon. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1674.33 1677.15 Yeah, but y you know the traditional T. V. it's um 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1677.38 1678.38 It's flat, uh 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1677.99 1681.91 Yeah yeah it's flat, yeah the shape is very boring. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1687.85 1692.32 So you can you have base, triangle base so you the T. V. you can 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1681.91 1687.85 Could we come up with new T. V. with such as this kind of T. V. ? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1679.03 1680.2 Squared? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1681.75 1682.27 Yeah, that's right. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1682.27 1683.41 It's really boring, yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1684.56 1684.78 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1691.68 1694.67 Ah, the lemon T. V. with the pineapple remote control. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1694.38 1697.7 Yeah, that's that would be really interesting, actually. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1695.67 1695.86 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1697.52 1699.76 Because the T. V. you also 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1697.16 1697.52 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1699.88 1706.07 You could f we could do a kind of fruit collection of electronics things. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1706.07 1707.22 Electronic device. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1698.81 1699.88 Oh, that's interesting. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1703.23 1705.86 Device devi 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1703.91 1706.29 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1715.13 1716.18 Maybe two years it's dead. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1706.43 1711.12 Yeah, but just don't trust too much the trends. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1711.12 1715.13 'Cause fruit and vegetables it won't last for ten years uh. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1707.46 1707.95 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1710.66 1710.89 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1709.66 1710.66 The fruit? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1711.27 1712.2 Maybe 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1714.53 1716.91 Yeah, maybe la next year it will be insects. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1714.71 1715.15 Yeah, it's 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1717.13 1717.38 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1717.85 1721.75 But I think it's good to follow the f flow and you know make it now and after,
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1721.75 1725.91 you know, if the people change their mind you change also the product. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1719.88 1720.08 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1722.49 1722.81 Mm. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1724.91 1728.47 Yeah, but this is good because it's not a long long life product. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1728.74 1729.01 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1729.38 1731.7 T. V. is more like fifteen years, maybe, so. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1732.5 1732.91 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1732.91 1734.26 That's a yeah, yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1732.57 1734.46 If you have a lemon lemon T. V. for 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1735.72 1741.41 We can think about T. V. with you know where you can change you know the aspects o like for the cell phones, you know. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1735.85 1736.82 fifteen years 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1741.32 1743.1 Customable T. V. . 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1742.24 1748.54 Yeah, you customise it every ti so every ti if people change, you just change the appearance, and y y you can keep 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1744.27 1744.87 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1747.81 1751.11 You've already said mobile phones. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1751.11 1752.48 Yeah, and following 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1746.82 1747.81 Ah such yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1748.02 1749.36 Tha that would that would make it. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1749.36 1749.52 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1748.46 1748.74 Okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1749.49 1751.13 Yeah, you can keep the global appearan 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1752.84 1755.45 The mood of persons, the fashions uh 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1755.61 1755.83 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1755.81 1756.03 Mm. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1756.93 1758.35 We int 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1757.2 1765.13 It's interesting, maybe we can create a a line of uh T. V. with uh a a tr 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1761.73 1763.05 Yeah, T. V., yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1764.24 1764.79 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1764.55 1771.16 A T. V. for autumn and a T. V. for winter, you know, so it's 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1767.26 1767.38 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1774.89 1777.9 So what i and do w is it Okay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1781.5 1787.85 We're just at twelve fifty Euros. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1778.29 1781.5 So I think the costs are within the budget. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1787.85 1794.75 So do you think you can celebrate your creation? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1782.4 1784.53 Yeah, the pr at 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1782.89 1783.1 Yep. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1783.38 1783.68 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1794.87 1796.76 And you can celebrate your leadership. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1797.03 1799.4 Oh, thanks a lot. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1799.4 1802.91 Thank you, mister David Jordan. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1804.58 1808.55 So it's yellow and very a very ha it's very happy, so. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1799.63 1804.58 Yeah but I think f it's really a celebrating object. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1808.55 1810.95 Uh it's it's a pr it's like yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1804.34 1806.95 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1806.51 1806.73 Hmm. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1808.1 1808.53 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1808.53 1810.7 It's party party remote control. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1811.87 1813.99 The thing now is to to sell it. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1814.96 1817.33 Yeah, it's your job. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1821.99 1822.5 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1817.33 1821.99 Sell it. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1815.98 1820.76 Yeah, right, go and sell it. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1820.76 1822.94 Goo and good luck, so 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1821.12 1822.65 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1823.8 1828.51 Okay and the twelve fifty twelve uh twelve 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1830.19 1831.99 Yeah, I think it's 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1827.76 1828.42 Uh-huh. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1828.42 1830.19 Twenty five Euros. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1828.98 1831.97 Twenty five Euros, yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1837.13 1838.81 No, it's not so expensive. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1831.97 1837.13 Twenty five Euros. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1830.42 1838.59 It should be fine. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1832.4 1835.49 It's maybe a little bit expensive. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1833.37 1834.6 It's cheap, yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1836.55 1837.1 No, I 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1838.26 1840.42 I'm not so happy about the fruit shape, you know. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1839.51 1842.2 Wh really? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1842.2 1848.34 It should be it should be fine, you know, actually. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1848.34 1848.81 S 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1848.16 1848.6 Okay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1850.47 1852.55 Maybe what you can do a test. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1852.55 1860.14 Put it outside, and if bees come, it's really fruit. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1851.08 1851.55 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1861.11 1866.6 I I think I like the the colour a the colour are very good, so actually so 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1861.15 1865.61 Okay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1861.62 1865.17 But don't put sugar in it, it's not working. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1866.6 1868.38 No, the colours are uh it's perfect, yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1868.62 1869.84 It's perfect, and 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1869.49 1869.85 True. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1869.85 1872.44 Uh yeah, another thing is the logo is missing still. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1872.96 1877.26 I p is th y the the yellow ball thing that 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1877.11 1881.8 because I I don't think you have ever seen something like that before for a remote control. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1873.56 1877.11 Yeah, but the colour, I think the colour is more is most important 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1876.16 1876.8 Uh 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1882.26 1884.71 Still that was one of the requirements we had. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1884.71 1888.35 It's yeah but it I don't think it's such a problem just putting the logo somewhere. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1887.54 1890.85 Uh f like y we can we can put some uh double R. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1889.51 1893.16 Yeah, but we decided to have something yellow and red, for the costs. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1893.46 1893.68 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1894.23 1899.24 So maybe we can just integrate it on th on one side, the double R. . 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1897.86 1898.16 Mm. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1900.24 1901.68 That's actually good idea, so 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1899.37 1900.24 Okay yeah, yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1899.75 1900.03 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1900.83 1901.1 Mm. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1902.64 1909 So we have the logo, we have the colour, and we have the fashion in electronics, so we have the slogan too. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1906.9 1908.29 So we have to give a 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1909.62 1912.19 So we have give him give it a cute name. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1913.21 1914.54 Cute na 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1920.53 1922.04 It's a pineapple. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1913.29 1918.21 Yeah th no, it's the it's the pineapple control remote control. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1922.04 1922.75 Pineapple. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1918.21 1920.53 It's a pineapple now, it has changed. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1913.38 1915.32 Mush mushroom controller. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1916.68 1919.15 You cannot say mushroom because it's not the trend. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1919.15 1920.26 It's not the trend. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1918.02 1919.49 It's not a mushroom. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1919.49 1921.23 It's a pineapple remote controls. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1921.64 1921.92 Pa 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1923.25 1923.95 Pine apple. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1924.34 1925.97 Yeah, pineapple remote remote control. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1925.48 1927.4 Yeah, but just flying saucer, or 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1926.45 1927.55 With cherry on top. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1926.72 1930.62 Oh, that 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1927.84 1929.14 Okay. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1929.87 1930.73 I would say flying saucer. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1931.06 1935.18 Oh unid uh unidentified remote control, so 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1931.65 1933.64 It's more appropriate, somehow. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1933.16 1934.65 Okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1936.48 1936.71 Okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1936.52 1938.47 That's that's pineapple remote control. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1938.47 1939.23 I think it's fine. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1939.6 1939.84 Mm. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1939.72 1940.34 Okay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1940.06 1940.88 Will you buy one? 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1946.54 1950.25 I can hel I will try versions so to see how easy easy to manage 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1940.16 1941.53 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1941.53 1946.54 Yeah I will try I'll try. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1944.15 1947.34 Okay uh 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1942.59 1944.15 Try to. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1944 1945.43 Twenty five Euro. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1948.09 1949.01 Okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1949.65 1955.01 Yeah you told me you h you d you d you lost your control your T. V. so so you need to buy one. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1950.83 1959.05 Yeah I always lose my Yeah, so so i if it is a universal one I can use it with my T. V., so it would be 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1958.08 1958.84 Okay. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1958.2 1960.3 One thing I like is the shape,
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1960.3 1966.47 because you know it's not like the uh the remote controls you can put in your pocket, on uh in your jacket. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1958.42 1958.73 Mm. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1964.16 1964.34 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1962.86 1964.16 Traditional one? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1967.14 1974.75 What do you choose? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1974.75 1975.5 What do you choose? 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1965.69 1967.14 So this one and this one. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1969.71 1977.16 I prefer the laser remote control. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1977.16 1978.52 No. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1970.02 1977.77 I think I would choose this one because of the colour. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1977.77 1978.22 It's 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1978.2 1978.49 Okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1978.97 1981.87 it's will enlight your house, your home and your T. V., so. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 1982.6 1982.85 Okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1983.28 1983.49 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1983.99 1987.59 Maybe next if we decide to do something we'd can put light inside. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1983.52 1983.99 Oh. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 1988.16 1990.34 Yeah, yeah that would be uh an idea. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1989.19 1991.16 Yeah but that's going to be expensive, you know. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 1991.16 1995.36 We had some problems going to twelve Euros and uh I dunno. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1990.71 1991.1 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 1992.91 2003.32 I think it it would be interesting to just to see if we can if people will buy this one, and maybe add some features to it after yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 2000.87 2002.6 Yeah, afterwards, if 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 2002.29 2002.52 Yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 2002.52 2003.68 Yeah. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 2003.86 2005.07 if it's a new trend. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 2007.76 2008.07 Okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 2008.32 2010.14 Yeah that's that fine. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 2010.14 2011.76 So we can celebrate now. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 2011.76 2012.56 That's our new product. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 2008.63 2009.53 So 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 2013.26 2017.48 Champagne, mister Baba. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 2013.82 2014.74 We should celebrate. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 2017.44 2018.26 It's it's fine. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 2013.87 2017.44 Yes. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 2018.26 2018.83 It's 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 2019.99 2020.79 I like it. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 2026.79 2027.82 Well, I'll buy one here. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 2022.36 2026.79 Next time. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 2023.2 2027.01 So buy one. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 2028.16 2028.45 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 2030.8 2031.2 So 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 2037.8 2038.02 Mm. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 2038.58 2042.1 Okay, I will close this. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 2042.1 2042.73 Mm. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 2042.54 2043.24 Yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 2043.24 2043.37 No? 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 2045.38 2053.65 So I think we have finished the designing and the evaluation of our remote control 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 2049.27 2049.64 Okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 2053.65 2053.9 Okay. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 2054.17 2054.71 Yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 2055.17 2059.69 and we have a nearly final product. 
IS1003d H03 MIO023 2060.38 2064.17 Our final prototype which yeah. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 2061.54 2063.62 Final prototype, yeah, ye yeah. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 2065.44 2070.23 So, thank you very much. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 2062.07 2065.44 Final prototype, right. 
IS1003d H00 FIO017 2070.23 2071.19 Very productive. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 2063.56 2064.19 Prototype, yeah. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 2066.73 2066.92 Okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 2067.71 2069.42 Okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 2069.42 2069.63 Okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 2069.19 2069.42 Okay. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 2071.75 2072.37 Thanks. 
IS1003d H02 MIO035 2071.12 2071.75 Okay. 
IS1003d H01 MIO005 2083.26 2085.69 S so who is going to take the remote control? 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 39.18 40.85 Oh, everybody is not ready. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 37.2 39.18 Good morning everybody. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 35.76 37.2 Okay. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 38.38 38.86 Good morning. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 41.21 42.1 Uh almost. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 43.76 44.87 Ready. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 45.05 46.26 Okay, let's go. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 46.26 54.46 So, we're here today to to have our first kick-off meeting about uh this new project we're going to tak to talk about in a few minutes. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 43.88 45.05 Alright. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 55.57 61.65 Um so I will be uh Sebastian the Project Manager. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 61.65 64.44 Um you are the 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 65.14 66.7 I'm the user interface designer. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 64.03 65.14 I'm uh Michael. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 66.88 67.31 Okay. 
IS1004a H03 MIO047 68.8 70.08 I'm the Marketing Expert. 
IS1004a H03 MIO047 67.69 68.8 Hi I'm Guillermo. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 70.81 73.08 And I am Hemant, the industrial designer. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 76.73 80.37 Um so let's have a look to the the agenda. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 74.79 76.73 Thanks for being here. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 73.27 74.79 Okay, very good. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 95.7 101.39 Um then we'll go to uh the plans for project and have general discussions about it. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 81.7 82.72 So 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 82.72 95.7 we are going to go through this agenda uh and mainly first to uh to make to to be used to the tools uh available in this nice and smart meeting room we have here. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 103.9 112.42 So, the goal of this project is to uh developed a new remote control. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 112.42 119.5 Um it should be original, trendy, and also user friendly. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 134.31 136.33 First the functional design. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 132.38 134.31 It is in three step as you know. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 123.88 132.38 As usual we will follow the the project method um that we are using in the in our company. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 136.33 140.44 The second's a conceptual design, and then the detailed design. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 140.97 149.47 During each step uh of each design we wi you will work uh s separately 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 149.47 162.65 individually on uh your specific tasks and will m we will meet to um to discuss and take decisions about uh what you've you've you did and what uh we will do next. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 165.96 186.87 we have to to train ourself with all the um the tools availables in the in this nice meeting room and uh particularly the the white board so uh we are going to go through the white board and take some um s some notes or do some drawings. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 186.87 187.96 So who want to start? 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 165.38 165.96 So first 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 191.76 193.41 Ah well if no one else wants to, yeah. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 191.98 193.22 Mister. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 201.67 202.6 Let's see. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 194.66 201.67 Okay so, want me to draw my favourite animal. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 216.28 223.1 Well, I don't really have a favourite animal, but um uh I think I have one in mind, so uh 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 220.53 221.26 You have one in mind? 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 224.43 233.15 I'm gonna about the uh spider because you can actually draw it pretty well in the corner of a white board. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 234.65 236.83 The spider has a spider lives in a web 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 241.26 243.51 and uh 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 244.98 245.92 it has eight legs, 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 248.07 254.84 and uh it can move all about the web in two dimensions. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 255.66 257.97 Unless it's a three dimensional web which y they have sometimes. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 257.97 263.81 There are some spiders that live in like that have like uh kind of a a big ball of a of a web. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 264.31 280.31 And uh the other thing is some spiders can actually uh fly like uh they have uh they let out like uh a stream of like the web building material but it's it acts like a parachute so they can actually kind of go and find new uh build a new web somewhere else. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 280.95 287.42 So I think they did this in uh in Charlotte's Web that movie that little uh well it's actually a book first but uh 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 291.39 293.33 So, that's my animal. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 288.39 291.39 um at the end all the the spiders kinda flew away. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 293.81 297.76 Very interesting. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 292.32 293.81 Th thank you. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 297.76 299.33 Guillermo you want to? 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 291.67 292.32 Okay. 
IS1004a H03 MIO047 301.03 303.77 'kay 
IS1004a H03 MIO047 305.69 315 I dunno why, but when I was a child I I wanted to be a a panther not a pink panther, or maybe yes. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 313.89 316.35 But don't you think it's very difficult to draw a panther? 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 316.72 321.51 It would be very funny for us. 
IS1004a H03 MIO047 317.12 318.36 Uh yeah yeah. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 318.19 319.22 So bad I don't like it. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 324.45 324.66 Oh. 
IS1004a H03 MIO047 337.46 339.55 Okay it's a friendly panther. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 340.84 342.4 Maybe it's happy 'cause it just ate someone. 
IS1004a H03 MIO047 343.59 347.02 Yeah maybe. 
IS1004a H03 MIO047 350.21 351.59 Um. 
IS1004a H03 MIO047 366.42 375.09 I I I have watched that lions di didn't hunt it's the the female lions who who hunt, so but 
IS1004a H03 MIO047 353.77 366.42 Actually, honestly I I I dunno what's what's his it's be behaviour, I dunno if if it's the male who who hunts or it's the female uh,
IS1004a H03 MIO047 376.42 380.77 I like it because it's fast, and it's black as well, so it can 
IS1004a H03 MIO047 383.3 400.21 he it can hide itself very easily and it's it's it looks like um powerful, strong, uh I dunno. 
IS1004a H03 MIO047 400.58 411.99 I I watch a a film about a black panther when I was a child and I was in that age when everything was shocking me a lot. 
IS1004a H03 MIO047 411.99 412.38 Okay. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 411.42 411.8 Okay. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 412.62 414.54 Hemant. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 411.8 412.62 Thank you. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 413.09 414.33 Um sure. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 426.51 430.71 So you don't like pink panthers? 
IS1004a H03 MIO047 428.99 430.71 I like it. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 446.85 447.52 Oh yeah. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 447.52 448.17 Thanks. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 452.65 453.97 It's not very strong. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 449.91 452.65 This lapel is coming out once in a while. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 463.79 467.32 I'll try to draw elephant. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 467.32 468.18 It's a problem. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 458.14 463.79 So, not the favourite animal, but I think I'll draw elephant. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 457.35 458.14 Okay. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 472.34 477.12 Okay so, elephant goes like this, 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 470.5 472.34 Okay, thanks. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 478.38 479.41 and then it has 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 482.08 484.56 four feet. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 484.56 487.85 I don't know whether there's any dist there should be any distance or not, but 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 493.64 496.57 And then we have it's trunk. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 490.32 493.64 I think this is the easiest. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 499.21 499.72 And 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 506.84 507.71 Yeah, so 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 500.91 503.45 yep something like this. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 503.45 506.84 An eye, cute. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 508.04 512.1 Poor elephant. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 508.81 513.77 and sometimes they have a hump. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 513.77 524.34 It seems that uh elephants are pretty friendly and they they have one very important way a different way of walking. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 524.34 531.24 So when they walk, wherever they are going to put their first feet, the second feet will always be. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 535.85 536.92 That's the way they walk. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 531.24 535.85 When they'll come to that position the second, the third feet will be there. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 537.58 539.29 And that's very peculiar about them. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 539.29 541.9 None of the other animals walk like this. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 541.9 544.35 And they are very useful to human beings. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 550.33 555.79 or when they had to carry huge um loads from one place to another, elephants were very useful. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 544.51 550.33 At least few few hundred years ago when there was no means of transportations or something,
IS1004a H02 MIO022 557.16 561.79 And they are found in um usually the warm countries. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 566.14 567.38 That's what I know about them. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 561.79 566.14 And um they are the biggest terrestrial animal. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 567.38 570.48 So, that's what I wanted to tell about elephants. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 569.85 573.46 So is this uh an Indian or an African elephant, 'cause you haven't drawn the ears? 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 577.77 582.55 So Indian elephant is having one bump, I think, and the African have two. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 572.9 577.77 There are two kind of uh yeah, they are very different, Indian and African elephants. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 582.55 588.15 And then there's a difference in the trunk of the animals, these elephants who are Indian and 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 588.39 594.75 So at some for some elephants it's the trunk is having one 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 595.16 596.09 Do we have some message there? 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 599.78 602.46 We have to to go through the meeting. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 602.46 603.28 Thank you. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 597.23 599.78 We have to I have to catch you, sorry. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 596.53 597.23 Yes. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 599.64 601.79 Okay, some other time. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 598.4 599.64 Wind up? 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 601.79 602.14 Thank you. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 601.54 602.15 Okay. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 603.79 605 We can discuss that off-line. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 605.29 609.5 Yeah we'll discuss a f a fly or do we'll do another meeting abo on elephants. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 608.95 609.88 Thanks. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 621.26 628.04 So we should target selling price of twenty-five Euro for this remote control 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 609.61 621.26 So so another important part of the project is about money, uh and about so about finances. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 629.16 638.75 and uh we have um which which would generate a profit of of um fifty million Euros, okay. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 638.75 641.76 And we should target the inter an international market. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 642.16 644.41 So could I just ask one question, um 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 648.3 652.55 So it's gonna be you already have a T. V. but you're buying an extra remote control for it or something? 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 645.64 648.3 is this a stand-alone unit that we're gonna be selling? 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 653.12 657.31 O this is the next topic we have to discuss exactly, so let's go to it. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 655.28 656.12 Okay, alright. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 657.78 665.49 So um we should decide which kind of remote control we want to uh we want to uh we want to go. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 665.49 670.66 Should be should should it be um specific remote control to some specific device? 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 673.38 674.99 And uh etcetera. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 670.66 673.38 Should it be a universal one? 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 676.3 684.99 So um so I'm waiting for your for your inputs very quickly because we have only three three minutes to go. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 686.63 688.64 Okay well, so,
IS1004a H01 MIE090 688.64 697.64 it seems the the first thing that they've kinda specified is the price like based on how much profit we wanna make, which seems to 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 700.84 707.6 but I guess if that's if that's the requirement that we need to to design the the product to actually fit that 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 698.27 700.84 a kind of a little strange if we don't know what the the product is yet 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 720.9 721.34 so it's 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 708.72 713.56 that price bracket so, I guess we're gonna need to find out what's actually you know 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 713.56 720.9 what people ar are willing to pay for um what kind of product they're expecting for twenty-five Euro because it seems quite a lot for a remote control 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 719.19 719.65 Okay. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 720.95 726.09 Okay I think this is more a job to our market person yeah. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 726.09 734.25 So it should be the topic of maybe of the next meeting just to to have an overview of this and uh in which direction we should go. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 723.8 724.72 Marketing person. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 724.85 725.05 Yeah. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 725.93 726.23 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 734.46 736.49 So we need to close the meeting. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 736.49 743.43 Uh we'll have a new meeting soon and uh so the work every every of you ha have t d to do. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 743.79 749.52 So um you have to work on the on the working design,
IS1004a H00 MIO019 749.52 757.99 you have to uh work on the technical functions, and uh you have to work on us user requirements specs, alright? 
IS1004a H03 MIO047 757.5 757.91 Yeah. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 763.64 765.47 Thanks for coming today. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 758.49 763.64 Um you will receive some information by emails, i as usual. 
IS1004a H00 MIO019 765.47 765.94 Thanks. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 765.67 766.63 Alright. 
IS1004a H01 MIE090 764.53 765.67 Okay. 
IS1004a H02 MIO022 764.98 765.38 Thanks. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 42.52 45.26 Good morning again. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 56.4 59.74 Very good. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 45.26 48.38 So, today we are going to have a f second meeting. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 51.8 56.4 You have a good reason for that? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 59.74 62.79 Okay, let's have a look to the agenda today. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 40.92 42.52 Okay everybody is ready? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 50.19 51.8 You're late. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 48.38 50.19 Oh Michael, hi. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 49.13 49.65 Yep. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 52.65 54.67 Yes. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 69.88 78.3 Um so first before starting I w just going to uh to go quickly to through the minutes of previous meeting. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 63.92 69.88 So, we are going to have a meeting about the functional design. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 93.71 95.54 I goin I'm going to share with you. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 80.01 89.45 So uh basically we we are not decided if w we should go for a universal or specific uh uh remote control 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 89.45 93.71 but I have new um new i inputs for about that topics. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 110.44 115.01 You showed us you ar you you prepare something for us? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 95.68 110.44 And uh basically we decided to um to uh go to individual actions for each of you uh so um Industrial Designer should wor was supposed to work on th on th on the working design. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 110.06 110.24 Yep. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 113.64 114.63 Yeah. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 114.63 114.78 Yep. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 115.54 125.19 The U. I. guy also uh work on that, yeah, and for the mar our Marketing Expert should deliver some specs. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 121.79 122.5 Mm. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 137.97 143.05 So, I just put d quickly Remo 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 154.47 155.58 Any ideas? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 126.05 133.02 Alright so so we are going to go through three of your individual presentations. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 143.05 154.47 but if you have any o other names that we co could decide for just to to keep something fun for our project we we should we could discuss quickly. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 133.02 137.97 But first I would like quickly to uh to decide of to give a name to the project. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 156.29 156.82 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 156.53 157.61 Uh the Powerstick. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 157.94 159.66 Powerstick, yeah. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 161.16 161.56 What else? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 165.67 166.15 What else? 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 167.61 169.37 Uh. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 172.34 176.03 Especially if we're selling into the U. S. market becasue there's a lot of Spanish speakers there. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 170.08 172.34 Maybe a Spanish name would work well. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 171.46 173.58 Mm I was thinking of the 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 182.87 183.43 What is that? 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 181.63 182.87 Mando. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 177.86 181.63 Maybe something that sounds cool in English but sounds funny in Spanish. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 180.56 181.17 Mando. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 185.56 186.11 M. A. ? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 182.88 183.65 Mango? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 183.65 184.98 Mango? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 184.98 185.56 Mando. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 184.29 184.83 Mando. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 187.62 188.06 M. A. ? 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 188.26 190.67 A. N. yeah D. O. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 191.55 192.11 Mm, okay. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 190.23 191.55 M. D. O. . 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 192.85 199.16 It doesn't it doesn't sound cool for me, but maybe for a Spanish for I for 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 194.93 195.55 What does it mean? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 196.53 196.73 Oh. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 199.2 200.29 What does it mean in Spanish? 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 201.76 202.23 Control. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 204.32 211.53 'Cause it also like in English it sounds like you know the man's tool you know because you know men like to have control of the remote so it might 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 203.27 204.32 Okay. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 202.66 203.27 Control. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 204.24 204.54 Nice. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 203.27 204.24 Hmm. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 210.84 211.99 Mando sounds 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 208.56 210.84 But mm, yeah. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 213.34 217.35 Latino. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 217.36 218.04 The Mando. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 217.56 218.04 Okay. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 219.28 221.26 So, let's go for Mando? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 222.79 223.34 No objection? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 222.31 222.79 Yeah? 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 222.68 223.4 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 229.32 235.12 so you have man in like in in uh in one o in one font and then the O. as like 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 225.57 229.32 And we could have some like you d you could have the fonts you know special 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 224 225.57 Yeah that's. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 224.52 225.65 Great. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 225.65 226.11 So 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 235.28 236.83 Okay, I think this is 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 240.22 240.59 So 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 236.18 240.22 Although you don't wanna cut uh cut women out of the uh potential buyers though, do you? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 237.94 238.32 Okay. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 243.07 244.14 So we should be careful. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 240.54 243.07 Yeah they are the most T. V. watcher. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 243.71 244.07 Yeah. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 253.38 256.02 We should we should go to other for the other topics. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 250.99 253.38 Something that should be addressed later. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 244.29 250.99 Okay, I think this is more a question of of I I think this is more a question of of look and feel. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 246.37 247.9 But yeah it uh 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 246.73 247.26 Marketing. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 253.75 256.76 Yeah because if the product will be international 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 257.45 258.02 Well that's the thing. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 258.02 261.2 We need to know who we're selling it to before we can really decide on a 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 267 269.45 So let's go for the three presentations right now. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 269.45 270.52 So, who want to start? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 260.95 267 Yeah okay, so let's stick f to Man Mando for the name and we'll see for the for the look and feel later. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 262.16 262.32 Um. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 272.92 275.18 Maybe maybe I should uh start. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 275.18 275.48 Yeah. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 272.99 275.43 So maybe we could start with the market, yeah. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 277.62 278.39 Mm. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 278.39 278.8 Okay. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 278.66 280.52 Okay so I have your slides somewhere? 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 280.88 281.05 Yeah. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 282.98 284.79 Should be in participant four. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 286.06 286.99 Participant four. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 291.72 293.52 This one? 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 293.11 293.82 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 301.13 302.01 Uh. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 314.25 314.54 Great. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 310.06 314.25 Uh okay. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 309.02 310.06 S that's coming. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 311.77 312.08 Yeah. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 312.88 313.22 Yep. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 315.8 323.01 Okay so yeah I will I will give a brief outline about what I what I prepared for this meeting. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 323.2 323.49 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 324.16 327.3 For the functional requirements and especially for the 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 330.82 343.41 I prepare a marketing report and we have to find the weaknesses and and the the improvements we could do to the current remote controls. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 329 330.82 for the user requirements. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 356.92 358.34 ten years. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 358.34 359.04 There is no 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 344.96 356.92 And also I di I did a study with for the incorporation of new technologies it seems that the remote controls have been have remained the same for the last five 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 360.63 363.04 no significant difference 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 364.13 368.12 between the the b the first new controls and 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 370.44 370.72 Okay. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 368.64 369.71 Okay. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 369.71 370.44 Sh next slide? 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 369.57 370.46 Yeah. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 370.46 370.6 Yeah. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 386.12 389.45 which is which is good and it's interesting point. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 378.61 386.12 So and they they admit that the the they should uh s they would uh spend more money in a fancier remote control 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 372.47 378.61 Well more most of the people think that remote controls are ugly, thoroughly. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 401.14 409.76 which is not a with a not very appropriate device, you you will have problems whe when you will get old. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 390.53 401.14 Also the people are worried about about the R. S. I. disease, which is if you repeat the sa the same movement,
IS1004b H03 MIO047 426.72 440.28 so I think it would be a good point to to l to to find a a solution to any beep any alarm or something incorporated to with the remote control every time it it get lost. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 417.11 426.72 They are also they get angry very often because they lost the remote control very often 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 410.33 417.11 So s people are uh are worried about the the shape of the of the remote control. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 440.47 440.81 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 441.83 452.81 And also I found that young people the the younger people are the more interested they are in incorporating new technologies in the in the remote control. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 455.12 455.47 Okay. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 457.8 461.39 So in my opinion the 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 476.66 476.82 Okay. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 473.52 475.8 Liklier or more likely? 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 462.56 473.52 Mando this Mando shouldn't be very small because the smaller it is, the more like the the liklier it is to get lost. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 475.8 476.66 likely. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 475.06 476.74 More likely. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 477.76 496.13 Uh people also complain because they they they all have the same size of the buttons for buttons who w which are not very use like f uh memorising channels or or this kind of actions which are not very often but 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 497.28 505.98 they they shouldn't they shouldn't have the same importance in the in the uh in the remote cont in the remote control. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 509.65 516.79 So it may be interesting to to think in a in both prototypes, for right and left handed people. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 505.98 509.65 Also the z the design should fit the hand shape. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 517.25 521.7 Well th the on the thing is though, most remote controls are used by more than one person. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 521.7 522.15 So 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 523.52 528.72 unless you're kind of targeting single people you know you're gonna maybe 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 529.87 530.51 Yeah. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 530.44 532.64 cut out some a lot of your market. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 534.19 545.01 I dunno I th Anyway I think it could be int interesting to to release some a a small fraction of of this remote controls. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 545.01 545.33 Sorry? 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 545.51 550.42 A universal design, which is which is good for both the hands. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 550.42 550.71 Yeah? 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 542.9 545.51 Well maybe it could be a universal design. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 549.91 550.05 Yeah. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 550.3 554.55 Still shaped for yeah for your hand but not for a particular hand, right? 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 553.49 559.24 That's right, whether it's left hand or right hand, but but don't you think that the two points are clashing 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 559.24 562.97 one thing you are saying design should fit the hand shape and it should not be very small? 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 554.24 554.42 Yeah. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 564.08 564.39 Sorry? 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 565 566.8 The first and the third point, they are clashing. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 566.87 569.41 Well it can still be a, you can still extend past the hand. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 568.74 568.97 Yeah. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 569.59 569.8 Yeah. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 570.21 571.25 Okay. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 571.25 574.22 So fitting the hand doesn't mean much then. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 570.5 571.2 Like uh 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 570.84 570.98 Uh. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 582.54 585.5 you know, with maybe some some finger molds or something. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 574.77 575.54 Well it means like 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 575.54 582.54 this remote here is kind of is very thin and long so instead of having you know you might have it kind of a bit bigger or,
IS1004b H02 MIO022 578.84 579.5 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 581.29 582.25 Yeah, like 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 585.41 588.67 So it means design should be similar to the traditional ones? 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 583.77 585.41 Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 588.67 590 Little sleek, longer? 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 591.16 596.33 No no I was thinking of so like something yeah. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 591.33 592.47 And it should fit the hand. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 594.64 596.64 Something with the shape of the palm? 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 596.36 597.47 Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 597.52 598.6 Some finger grips maybe. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 598.6 604.09 You could even have some buttons like you know on the sides and everything, but 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 597.53 598.05 Yeah. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 601.7 602.33 On the sides. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 601.78 602.04 Yeah yeah. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 605.42 607.09 Not anymore. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 607.09 607.69 That's what yeah. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 602.04 605.42 It sh it shouldn't it shouldn't be symmetric symmetrical. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 605.08 607.05 Mm-hm mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 608.92 609.95 And then finally 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 609.97 619.66 And finally, the incorporation of a L. C. D. or a speech recognition system in the remote control could also be interesting, but I don't know if the budget 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 620.77 622.29 would be large enough. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 620.84 621.3 Yeah. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 621.62 622.11 Yeah. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 622.11 626.97 First I'm just wondering about the L. C. D. stuff because uh because 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 624.72 633.36 But most of yeah most of the young people to thirty to thirty years old were really interested in this kind of technology. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 640.82 646.84 We had the new requirements from the so uh from the head offices of the company 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 646.84 652.72 and so they wanted so they want to um they would like to be restricted to T. V. . 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 633.6 640.82 Yeah, so maybe it's a good time for me to uh to bring you to some new uh new informations. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 653.6 653.88 Yeah. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 656.67 663.63 No, so they want us to restrict the remote control to T. V. only because of time limitations. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 663.63 667.1 Um they want also uh 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 654.12 656.67 Okay, I dunno if you had this information already. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 656.24 656.53 No. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 666.36 670.34 Actually this marketing report is restricted to T. V. remote controls. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 671.41 680.13 So we have also to focus more on the internet aspects because well well te teletext is outdated now 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 670.31 671.41 Excellent. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 681.48 685.98 and uh finally, it should be clear that the corporate image 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 685.98 692.36 that means colours and logos of the co our company should be clearly inde identified in the product. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 693.31 702.7 I was still uh I was still working on this uh twenty five Euro price point because I think actually having looked at some of the remotes out there,
IS1004b H01 MIE090 702.7 710.26 this is quite a low uh price if if we're maybe I can get to this in my presentation though, but um yeah. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 693.44 693.86 So 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 710.28 710.75 Sure sure. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 709.6 710.28 Yeah yeah. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 710.75 714.01 So maybe we can jump to your presentations, right now. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 714.01 719.7 Okay so let's keep in mind about tha that that this last point about L. C. D. and speech uh reco 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 713.51 713.78 Okay. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 713.05 713.51 Yep. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 718.83 719.34 Yeah. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 719.34 730.78 I think even even if it was within budget do a speech reco rec system it might be a bit difficult because if you think if you're watching T. V. you're gonna have a lot of this uh background noise from the T. V. which might interfere with the 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 730.72 731.8 Sorry, what is your? 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 732.48 733.6 Uh participant three. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 734.76 740.86 You might have some background noise from the T. V. which will make the speech recognition much uh harder, so. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 745.54 747.4 Yeah uh channel fifty. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 738.61 745.54 Yeah but you should be able to activate or disactivate, so yeah yeah. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 743.31 748.57 Oh you press a press a button to talk, and the the T. V. the T. V. sound turns off. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 748.31 748.54 Yeah. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 750.92 755.12 It requir recognises particular sequence and then it gets activated. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 748.48 750.92 No it could be command control kind of thing. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 766.83 770.89 Because this kind of thing means speech is there from the T. V. also. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 763.08 766.83 and then remote control comes in the picture for the speech recognition. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 756.32 763.08 Means you say you should say like does that, remote control being on or be on kind of thing 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 770.89 775.64 So there should be something command controlled, you start and then you stop. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 775.64 778.81 It's like V. I. editor, you are having two modes similarly. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 778.81 780.22 Otherwise it's just lying idle. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 766.58 766.8 Yeah. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 770.85 771.08 Yeah. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 773.82 775.31 Mm. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 775.31 775.5 Yeah. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 780.79 781.29 Okay Michael. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 781.92 786.65 Okay, so, could I describe the mouse maybe be easier to could I use the mouse, or 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 784.52 784.79 Sorry? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 786.6 787.73 Um yeah. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 787.94 788.81 Mm. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 788.81 789.31 Thanks. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 791.21 791.75 Okay. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 793.85 794.73 The wheel doesn't work. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 805.07 809.46 and just uh looked to see if they're actually available in any current remotes 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 809.46 814.84 and then also searched for which are the top-rated uh remote controls on Epinions dot com 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 794.86 797.61 Great. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 797.61 805.07 Okay so um while uh researching this this topic I first of all just thought of a couple of things that I would like to see in a remote 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 814.84 822.06 which is a a you know a a customer um written basically review site. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 822.94 833.69 So um there's a pretty wide range of uh remote controls these days and and uh this remote control on the right here is is one of the more extravagant 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 833.69 836.24 but it's not really it's by no means uh 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 837.46 840.47 mm you know on it's own in being so expensive. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 843.21 853.16 So yeah it doe it's well basically all the functions uh are controlled through through the L. C. D. screen except for the really really kind of main functions 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 853.16 855.43 which have a couple of of their own buttons. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 840.47 843.21 There are a lot of expensive remote controls out there. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 841.39 844.17 Looks like a P. D. A. ? 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 855.88 864.13 Um and if you look at a lot of the universal remotes out um on the market, I know we're working on television remote 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 864.13 877.79 but a lot of the universal remotes out there have uh have these L. C. D. screens which kind of helps when you're using multiple uh devices I suppose because you can have multiple kind of functions d different functions on the screen at different times. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 878.56 881.71 But um the thing that I find most interesting about this remote control,
IS1004b H01 MIE090 881.71 886.85 and it's kind of difficult to uh to see in the slide, but it has a scroll wheel on it,
IS1004b H01 MIE090 886.85 895.02 which is kind of like uh a mouse scroll wheel, which I think is it's a really kind of important design aspect um is it's 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 895.26 900.76 'Cause the thing is what a what we the presen this presentation we had is what we want the remote control to actually do. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 900.76 907.13 And obviously the the simplest thing that a remote control does is it just change the change the channel. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 907.13 908.78 Now um 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 906.7 906.88 Yeah. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 905.45 906.7 Change the channels. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 922.5 930.78 I usually use the up and down because most channels are you know two digit numbers and you have to press you know a special button to enter a two-digit number,
IS1004b H01 MIE090 933.23 935.59 So I think a scroll wheel is is quite handy. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 910.44 915.66 uh the I think that a scroll wheel is actually pretty a pretty handy way of of changing the channel. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 930.78 933.23 and then two numbers, so that's just uh it's annoying. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 915.66 922.5 'Cause I know when I um when I use the remote to change the channel I very rarely use the numbers on the on the pad. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 923.81 924.22 Yeah yeah. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 922.2 923.81 Mmm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 943.24 948.67 and this brings us to the the point you were mentioning before about the internet uh capability. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 935.67 943.24 Now um the the scroll wheel is is much more useful if you have an L. C. D. screen 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 948.77 949.11 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 949.78 950.93 One possibility,
IS1004b H01 MIE090 950.93 957.05 if we now we need to still talk about the price point because obviously a lot of this stuff can't be done for twenty five Eu uh Euro, but 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 958.1 968.96 one possibility is to download program information into the L. C. D. screen so that instead of actually saying I want to I want to go to channel thirty seven because I know this programme's on,
IS1004b H01 MIE090 973.37 978.75 If you have a list of of programs on your L. C. D. screen you just scroll to that program rather than to a channel. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 968.96 973.37 you know, often you don't know what ch what channel it's on, or you don't know what's on. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 988.24 993.56 So this would be pretty kind of a handy thing to have, but um we we really need t to discuss the price. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 984.97 988.24 you remember their name and you go find that name and ring it. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 979.65 984.97 So if you think about it's kind of like a you know in mobile phones now you don't use you don't remember people's phone number 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1008.95 1012.91 So this is something else we might wanna consider, is really kind of limiting the number of buttons 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1012.91 1016.89 because this is the top rating uh universal remote control on on Epinions. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 994.2 1003.68 So, I mean there are there are uh cheaper this is another multi kinda purpose remote control where it's it's it's very simple,
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1003.68 1008.95 there's only a few buttons, but al each of those buttons does something different in a different context. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1017.8 1029.88 It it's really uh maybe worth thinking about limiting the number of buttons as much as as possible um because really I think people want to be able to find the button they're looking for without even looking at the remote control. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1030.16 1036.01 And was saying before about having different size buttons for different you know frequently used uh tasks,
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1047.85 1048.26 So 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1036.01 1042.02 but I think also you know the location and and shape of the buttons is important, but also the number of buttons. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1042.02 1047.85 So if you have too many buttons it it it increases the the difficulty of finding the one you want. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1047.19 1053.4 But there is one problem then the user has to understand each of that functionality. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1053.4 1055.45 Because the same button is doing too many things. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1052.43 1052.73 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1052.92 1053.76 Yeah well we w 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1070.27 1074.15 but contains the extra buttons like, say, the number buttons for instance. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1055.43 1062.75 Yeah well we will have a bit of a simpler uh task in that we're only doing uh a television remote control. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1074.15 1074.66 Um 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1062.75 1070.27 Um I think maybe one option is to have you know a little flip-open um door that uh that you have hidden most of the time,
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1073.6 1073.91 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1074.88 1082.92 I I would if I had my perfect remote control, I'd probably just have no numbers at all on it because they're just in the way. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1091.23 1096.72 but maybe a door that you can you can permanantly remove or permanantly have on would be good. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1096.72 1102.48 Um but I think definitely you need to to keep the buttons down to a minimum 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1107.76 1108.36 Um 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1084.51 1091.23 Maybe you know I although I do also find flip-open doors a bit of a pain because sometimes they can break off or or whatever 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1102.48 1107.76 but not not let that kind of interfere with the functionality of of the device. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1082.92 1084.51 They don't really do anything. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1081.03 1081.29 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1094.59 1094.89 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1107.97 1131.14 H I think I think that the tr the transition to this to this new remote control shouldn't be very very abrupt very hard because w if people see a remo see the see a remote control without numbers mm they will think it's very difficult to learn very difficult to very different build very different to the traditional 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1127.2 1128.99 It does sampling out of the. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1137.26 1142.42 you know, navigate to a program without the numbers, then people might say that looks pretty easy. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1131.85 1137.26 If you if you have the right advertisement showing how how how easy it is and how you can,
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1129.47 1131.85 Well I guess that depends on how you market it. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1135.44 1136.2 If y 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1142.91 1144.82 Okay, can you continue, please Mi? 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1146.83 1156.11 I think um one of the really kind of useful things you can do with with internet connectivity would be to have this a programme driven interface rather than the channel number. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1145.03 1146.83 Um okay, so 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1156.11 1162.82 So if we can have a higher priced uh remote control I think that would really be worth uh something that would be worth implementing. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1143.14 1145.03 So, but yep. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1171.38 1177.67 I haven't mentioned it here, the scroll wheel could be used without an L. C. D. screen, just for changing channel numbers easily. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1163.49 1171.38 Um mm there's the L. C. D. screen, um which maybe maybe is too expensive, um but I think also at the scroll wheel,
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1181.22 1184.21 to implement, um but I think that would be quite useful as well. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1177.67 1181.22 I think even that, I mean, that would be a fairly cheap thing, compared to an L. C. D. screen,
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1180.98 1181.41 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1193.88 1200.1 is you know there's a certain kind of cool or wow factor that you can kind of you can have with technology 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1212.94 1214.97 say uh, change the lighting in the room. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1200.1 1204.7 and maybe we wanna make it something that's extensible to do other tasks. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1188.08 1193.88 but I think one maybe one option, since this is supposed to be a kind of a fashionable device 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1204.7 1212.94 Say you have like um a little another little kind of base unit that can also receive signals as well as the television where you can,
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1184.61 1188.08 And the other thing, you say we need to we need to keep it just television,
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1235.78 1242.15 I think that's something we may need to have as as at least as an optional extra to to kinda make our product cool 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1222.3 1226.85 but, you know, later on you could you can you know you also, selling the potential of the device. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1216.09 1222.3 You know that would be something maybe you could sell as an extra, so that it doesn't have to be part of the initial development,
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1231.22 1235.78 I dunno, close the windows, whatever, turn the heating on, and um 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1242.15 1244.32 since we say we're putting the fashion in electronics. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1226.85 1231.22 Then you say potentially you can then do other cool stuff like change the lights,
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1241.81 1242.74 Okay. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1245.58 1246.15 Okay, thanks. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1244.48 1245.58 Okay. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1246.88 1248.69 you want to go? 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1247.47 1248.15 Yep. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1248.15 1249.05 So yeah. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1255.24 1261.89 So most of the things which we are discussing about is speech recognition uh, that means on my own I yeah, it should be. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1260.17 1260.49 This one? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1265.49 1266.51 No, not that one. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1264.76 1265.49 Great. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1268.3 1269.19 you are two. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1269.33 1269.44 Two. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1272.63 1273.76 Alright. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1287.65 1290.43 So he is pretty comfortable if he wants to get this 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1297.58 1301.69 So the old kind of users who don't want to have any changes, it can 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1290.43 1297.58 and on top of that there there could be a speech recognition technology also being sitting on the on the remote. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1273.97 1278.33 Okay so the working design is uh user i interface could be of two types 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1278.33 1287.65 one is the usual press buttons which are there so that the user feels that he is knoing doing some he is knowing about that technology. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1303.19 1309.31 it can be useful for them, and the new users, as uh our Marketing Expert was saying 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1309.31 1312.78 they can use the new gizmo which is speech recognition kind of thing. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1312.9 1318.61 Okay, sorry to interrupt you, but we have seen before that there is a new way of interacting that use wheel. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1327.06 1333.25 Means we can have, depending on the cost, how much we can afford, we can have different kind of interfaces. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1333.25 1336.86 So spe buttons are something which is very everybody is familiar with. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1341.63 1348.03 and on top of that if we are having extra functionality people are willing to shell that twenty-five Euros money which we are thinking. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1336.86 1341.63 So if you go to the market and you say that buttons are there the people know what it is 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1319.15 1319.81 That's right. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1319.81 1324.47 So anyway, that didn't come into my mind, so th that is a possibility. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1324.47 1327.06 These could be other kind of interfaces. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1322.68 1322.99 Okay. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1341.44 1341.76 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1365.68 1370.12 Now for buttons, normal requirements like bit coding and all those things are required. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1348.71 1351.68 Otherwise we are just like others in the market. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1361.22 1365.68 So apart from the speech, we can have the scroll kind of thing with the buttons. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1351.68 1356.06 So anyway that is the first, user interface could be of more than one type 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1356.06 1361.22 and uh yeah that means we can do the on-line changes which which cannot be done now actually. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1370.12 1379.04 And for voice, limited vocabulary automatic speech recognition system is required and we require a microphone also to be sitting there on the remote. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1379.83 1381.64 That increases the the cost also. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1379.4 1379.83 Yeah. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1382.95 1388.73 But uh means we have to see how much what kind of microphones and stuff like that. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1382.05 1382.95 Uh that's right. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1389.48 1396.7 Do you think that performance of such systems are enough to to target well of such technologies is enough? 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1397.32 1400.65 Uh yes, if it is limited vocabulary usually it's enough. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1401.04 1401.41 Okay. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1401.64 1408 Yeah we we can uh target, means we can target ninety five percent accuracy or somewhere ninety seven perc 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1416.98 1419.5 So it could be s a few centimetres. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1407.09 1416.98 Well wh uh I imagine also that the microphone will be an ambiance um a um an ambience microphones because you are not going to speak into into th into the remote control. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1408.81 1409.33 Hmm. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1413.34 1413.67 That's right. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1415.06 1417.44 No it it could be little d yeah it could be 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1432.43 1435.55 So then you have to s you know, you have to train models for 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1426.8 1432.43 though, because, I'm not sure exactly where we're gonna sell this, but I presume it's not gonna just be English speaking countries. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1418.83 1426.8 Well one one other thing that that speech recognition could really blow out the price for is uh when you want to sell into other markets,
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1419.06 1419.55 That's right. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1419.55 1420 That's right. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1432.17 1432.52 Yeah. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1432.55 1433.34 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1435.5 1442.63 Uh it's more like, means there are different speech technologies which are existing so D. T. W. could be kind of which is the easiest. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1442.63 1445.87 So you have to store some templates on the on the 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1452.48 1456.51 instead of having a model which has to be trained and being a micro-controller. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1446.98 1452.48 on the chip itself, and it's just dynamic time warping where you try to find out what it is 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1453.14 1453.35 Yeah. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1454.06 1454.41 Okay. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1466.55 1468.07 Okay, next. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1456.78 1461.74 Okay we shou we should discuss this la later after after after this this uh slide. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1461.74 1466.55 This is a this is a this is a a very important uh issue in discussion. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1468.07 1469.87 Uh that finished? 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1458.24 1458.95 Yeah, that's right. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1461.46 1462.13 So we can 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1460.55 1461.46 Yeah. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1465.79 1465.98 Yep. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1464.97 1465.79 That's right. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1467.61 1467.74 Yep. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1472.19 1473.88 Yeah. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1470.17 1470.6 No no. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1485.11 1491.07 and then we are having the which is to indicate whether the power is on or not. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1481.33 1485.11 We are having a power button and the switch, which is not much 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1500.39 1505.72 So now where the A. S. R. decoder is sitting, similarly there are different kind of interfaces which could be there. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1473.88 1477.31 So, will you go to the next slide? 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1491.07 1499.36 And then there are two kind of things which can be so one is the button interface which has not been shown because because of lack of time. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1470.6 1472.19 Components. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1499.36 1500.39 So we could not put that. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1477.31 1481.33 Yeah so this is the design which we are thinking so. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1471.61 1472.29 Components? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1470.61 1471.61 No? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1475.77 1477.12 Yes sure. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1523.83 1527.65 and that bit codes are sent by the infrared device to the receiver. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1518.93 1523.83 And then there is there is the chip which is sitting, the green one, and it converts it into bit codes 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1506.31 1512.12 So there is A. S. R. decoder which could be there, and then there could be another scroll button scroll scroller,
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1512.12 1518.93 and then there could be buttons, and all of them they will just do the decoding and put it in the math put it in the proper message format. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1528.55 1528.82 Okay. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1531.94 1534.76 So th an A. S. R. decoder we can have things in. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1529.83 1531.94 So this is the easiest design the there could be. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1538.12 1544.99 So this was the my personal preference was that we can have A. S. R. sitting there on the remote control. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1544.99 1545.38 Yeah. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1535.96 1538.12 To have different technologies. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1544.98 1550.99 You know I guess you could actually train the remote control as you're using it by saying you know turn volume up,
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1550.99 1560.32 and you press the uh press the button like uh s people teach sign language to kids f well, by speaking and doing 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1556.28 1562.3 Yeah but uh as soon as you try to put the microchip kind of thing or something the price will go up. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1562.3 1564.86 So these are the slight problems. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1560.92 1563.18 Okay. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1561.79 1561.98 Yeah. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1564.84 1565.54 So your 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1566.9 1570.72 your opinion is that we should go for special condition technologies? 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1569.15 1578.27 Because yeah the reason is that if we go into the market means though I don't have much idea, but as he the uh Marketing Expert presentation was 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1577.51 1586.28 I'm sure if you can sell a a speech recognition remote control for twenty five Euros everyo everyone will s will buy it. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1595.27 1602.93 I don't really want to you know drown out what people are saying by talking you know when I'm when I'm instead of pressing up on on a remote control. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1606.65 1611 I'm trying to actually find out what's being said, so maybe speech recognition gets in the way more than it helps. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1591.92 1595.27 turn the volume up because I can't hear it very well 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1602.93 1606.65 You know if there's some there's some dialogue all of a sudden that I can't hear,
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1582.43 1591.92 Actually I'm not so sure because I'm the you know if I was using a remote control to, say 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1583.83 1588.44 So if we go with just the 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1588.69 1589.23 I'm sure. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1606.29 1606.48 Yeah. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1610.87 1611.9 Okay so 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1611.58 1618.99 Yeah but you know the the average frequency of pushing buttons, it's about 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1618.79 1620.44 Well it depends if it's a remote control th 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1620.05 1624.04 it's about eighty eighty eighty pushes per hour, or something like that. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1630.97 1636.86 If you can leave it sitting on the table and you don't actually have to find it, then that could be. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1624.77 1630.97 Maybe if the remote control is something that y you don't actually have to pick up anymore, that would be a a useful feature of the speech recogntion. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1631.19 1632.23 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1634.71 1635.16 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1633.27 1634.14 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1635.16 1635.42 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1632.23 1633.27 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1634.14 1634.71 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1648.67 1650.66 We are targeting T. V. . 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1635.85 1641.44 Okay gentlemens, we have to take some deci decisions right now. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1641.44 1648.67 Um so if I if I kind of summarise everything we've de we we said. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1640.5 1640.81 Alright. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1667.89 1678.05 We should bring new technologies for young peoples, and uh as we have uh also requirements to to use uh to to push thr toward the internet. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1663.01 1667.89 Um we have or good shape, yes. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1658.45 1663.01 which is uh which is easy to to hand not too small, not too big. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1678.05 1679.68 Maybe this is something we can stick to it. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1651 1658.45 We need we need to have um um remote control which is fanc fancy,
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1665.25 1666.81 With a good shape for the 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1690.25 1702.21 So so my feeling is that re regarding costs budget we have an an an target price, it's not possible to go s to go to L. C. D. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1680.25 1682.67 And um also 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1682.67 1690.25 a very interesting things I I I've seen on on on the one of the comp o our competitor is this wheel that we can use to navigate. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1710.3 1723.25 Because um in fact as we are targeting uh T. V. in fact we can use T. V. screen as a screen to feedback to to give some feedback informations about what we could have. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1707.66 1710.3 Uh first m m why not to go to L. C. D. . 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1702.85 1707.66 and also to go to automatic speech recognition technologies. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1744.79 1746.03 So that's an extra 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1724.29 1732.28 If we we don't unless we have some input some video input to the T. V. or we have control over the T. V. then we can't actually display that. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1722.39 1724.29 Well it depends though well it depends. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1737.13 1744.79 but otherwise we need to actually have some kind of something sitting in between the video signal and the and the T. V. to superimpose those those menus. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1732.28 1737.13 Like if we if we produce the T. V. s then then yeah we can put you know menus up up there 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1747.22 1754.01 Don don't you ha don't we have contacts with uh people on T. V. or or well systems that exist that we can use? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1746.02 1747.22 Yeah that's right. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1747.34 1747.93 cost. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1771.46 1779.36 'Cause even if we have contacts we can't really produce a remote control that can bring up menus on other other companies' T. V. s. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1779.36 1781.6 It's just there are too many T. V. s out there. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1753.3 1757.49 Well this is this is another que we still haven't really defined the remote. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1768.96 1771.46 'Cause that really makes a big difference. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1781.6 1782.57 It's it's not really gonna 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1765.42 1768.96 or is this something for our own line of of televisions? 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1757.49 1765.42 Are we still you say we're focusing on T. V., but is it still a kind of like a universal remote in that it's a replacement remote control 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1765.53 1766.26 Yeah. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1782.26 1783.23 That's good point. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1783.23 1787.82 What's what cou what could be the cost of uh well 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1781.6 1782.26 Yeah. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1787.82 1796.7 could we fit the the targets uh in terms of cost uh if we go s to L. C. D. on the remote control? 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1799.95 1801.22 I think it's impossible. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1797.57 1799.95 For twenty five Euro? 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1803.72 1815.06 I think um it would be good to know if there is any leverage in that any leeway in that um that twenty five Euro because for twenty five Euro I think all we can really do is provide a very basic remote control 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1821.81 1826.25 So I would I would like to know if there's any chance of of increasing the uh 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1815.06 1821.81 and that seems to be kind of against the philosophy of our company which is you know putting the fashion into electronics. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1801.22 1803.72 But but I dunno 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1798.72 1799.16 Yeah. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1801.03 1801.81 It's impossible. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1799.93 1801.03 It's not possible. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1801.86 1802.09 Yeah. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1825.96 1826.47 Uh 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1827.59 1829.56 of increasing the unit price. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1829.68 1830.96 What would be 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1829.73 1841.1 So you mean yo you mean we we should target something maybe which is which would be more expensive but re really fancy in terms to um in terms to had to have really an added value? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1841.1 1846.01 Okay, so regarding the automatic speech recognition, I think this is 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1835.17 1835.48 Yeah. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1836.98 1837.86 Yeah. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1840.6 1842.01 Yeah because yeah. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1843.85 1850.28 Wha but what would be one question, what would be the goal of putting an L. C. D. in a remote control? 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1851.35 1851.65 Well th 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1851.37 1853.29 What what kind of information? 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1853.92 1858.78 'Cause you can have things like the programme name instead of the channel numbers, like an interactive programme guide. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1857.5 1863.44 Yeah but mo most of the T. V. s nowadays show the show the 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1860.86 1862.09 They have tele teletext. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1863.82 1865.37 Well, because they have teletext on it. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1865.37 1873.79 Th th you have a teletext sin signal that you can that you can uh that you can get thr through the channel. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1864.87 1865.16 the n 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1872.05 1875.66 Yeah but yeah most of the T. V. s have teletext nowadays. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1876.04 1877.88 They have t most of them have teletext 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1877.88 1886.52 but we want to get rid well one of our requirements is to uh to move to teletext to uh to the use of internet. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1886.52 1887.72 So to to uh 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1877.43 1877.71 Yeah. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1888.85 1891.66 You can get a lot more information on it. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1889.86 1891.96 to browse more easily the teletext. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1892.96 1895.73 For instance through uh through your remote control. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1897.38 1900.41 So what would what would appear in the in the L. C. D. ? 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1902.29 1907.16 So you could have the name of the programme, you could have um the start time you know where it's up to. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1905 1909.75 The ti the start time, all the p all the programmes you could have uh o 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1908.88 1918.54 You could have a l even a little image of you know the c you know the the m the main actors or something so you can quickly just kind of even without reading 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1912.84 1913.23 Okay. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1917.62 1920.93 Well I don't know if this information is available from teletext, also. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1921.41 1924.47 Well no, but there are the electronic programme guides out there. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1926.53 1928.49 There's dependi it also depends on the country. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1924.47 1926.53 They may not have pictures, but maybe they do. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1924.14 1924.54 Are 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1927.35 1930.06 Well because for the same reason that we cannot 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1935.1 1938.35 We c we couldn't grab information information which is not there. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1931.52 1935.1 uh informations on the T. V. . 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1946.52 1947.6 Uh. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1939.62 1943.03 No but I mean with the internet you have flexibility of where you get your information from. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1943.03 1946.52 So it may be possible that there are people out there providing that. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1950.51 1956.12 if you want to browse, in addition to the T. V., or uh or it should be a special T. V. connected to 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1945.04 1950.51 So so that mean w w we need an in an extra internet connection to use the remote control,
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1946.25 1946.74 But 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 1951.2 1951.53 Yeah. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1966.38 1966.74 I dunno. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1955.14 1964.82 Well I I think if we're gonna I think we would definitely need the internet connection because even with y I don't think you could even get teletext information from the T. V. onto the remote control 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1964.82 1966.38 especially if we don't control the T. V. . 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1966.74 1967.57 We need to find that out. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1967.8 1968.54 Okay. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1968.54 1970.16 We need to close the meeting. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1970.16 1971.92 Um so 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1979.57 1987.05 So the remote has gone bad and the person wants to buy a new remote or because the cost of L. C. D. thing could be as high as the T. V. itself. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1987.05 1988.01 That is very important. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1975.36 1979.57 Is it that we are targeting the replacement remote market, or what? 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1971.63 1975.36 But just a small thing, what kind of market we are targeting? 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1973.64 1974.35 Very quickly. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1996.54 2001.09 and they want to go t for universal one, and they take the fanciest they can have. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2001.09 2003.89 So this is that we z that that we should target. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1987.35 1989.32 No. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 1989.32 1996.54 Yeah, well people go to buy another remote control when they broke n broke their,
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1989.22 1991.36 If it's a really small T. V. maybe. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 1987.81 1989.22 Mm. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1995.16 1995.62 Okay. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1995.62 1996.23 Okay. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1994.62 1995.16 Broke. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1997.91 1998.69 Okay. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 1998.69 1999.04 Okay. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 2000.19 2000.75 Okay. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 2000.75 2001.07 Okay. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2012.91 2017.93 The L. C. D. is still on disc is still open to discussion. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2004.22 2012.91 So the com the um the uh the committment is the following, we don't go for speech recognition technology. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2017.93 2026.71 It is up to you to go through this um uh this way and to to report report me back next meeting. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2026.71 2027.29 So 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 2012.64 2012.91 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 2027.92 2032.94 I think that the speech recognition technology would be cheaper the than the L. C. D. . 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 2030.26 2032.87 It's it's cheaper as compared to the L. C. D. . 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2034.98 2037.02 Maybe it's cheaper, but we have no 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2033.18 2034.98 Yeah, but not sure. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 2037.08 2039.23 Because with the L. C. D. you need more requirements. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 2039.23 2041 You need a internet connection. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 2041 2042.98 You need m more things. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 2042.98 2043.2 But 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 2044.53 2046.41 for the speech recognition you you don't need anything. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 2046.41 2048.53 You just say channel fifty, and that's it. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 2044.76 2047.19 Well the thing is I think I think the type of peop 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 2049.07 2058.19 I think the type of people that are gonna want to buy a very stylish rem r remote control with lots of new technologies are the kinda people that are gonna have you know a wireless internet connection maybe 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 2058.19 2059.42 or a you know. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 2058.92 2063.87 But then we should move to another target b because at twenty five Dollars, it's 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 2061.86 2065.77 Means th yeah twenty five Euros is yeah, that's right. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 2068.15 2069.05 'Cause otherwise we need 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 2064.46 2068.15 Can we can we increase the the price point of this remote control? 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 2063.14 2064.46 Well this is what we need to find out. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2068.92 2071.23 Okay this is this is an open question for you. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2073.67 2076.15 This is uh up to you to tell us. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2072.88 2073.67 Yeah. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2076.15 2086.53 But I'm definitely not keen on to to no no no, I'm no I'm definit definitely not keen on going to speech recognition technologies. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2088.19 2092.1 I'm not sure that that we'll have a product really that work. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2086.53 2088.19 I'm not confident enough. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2092.1 2093.1 I uh that work 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 2078.6 2079.65 To move to another target? 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 2093.05 2094.99 It's kind of hard to guarantee that you're gonna 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2094.11 2095.65 It's real yeah. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2095.65 2098.08 How to guarantee such performances is really hard. 
IS1004b H03 MIO047 2100.04 2105.17 the expert uh said ninety five percent. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 2104.04 2105.76 Ninety five percent is not good enough though. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2104.1 2107.57 Well this is still is is very bad. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2109.92 2114.32 Next meeting uh here are the task you have to work on. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2120.46 2125.86 Uh you have to work on user interface, and you have to go through a trend watching. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2114.32 2120.46 Um so you have to work on the component uh concept. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2107.57 2109.92 So, this is the end of this discussion. 
IS1004b H02 MIO022 2119.63 2120.02 Okay. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2126.94 2128.48 Okay. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2128.48 2132.62 So the question is still open about the L. C. D. thing. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2142.06 2142.42 Bye. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2134.23 2140.86 Um uh we I hope that next meeting we will uh we'll take some um decision that direction. 
IS1004b H00 MIO019 2140.86 2142.06 Thanks. 
IS1004b H01 MIE090 2141.87 2142.19 Yep. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 32.77 34.24 Good afternoon. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 31.37 32.77 Okay? 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 34.24 35.53 Hope you have good lunch. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 36.72 37.88 Yeah, we had falafel. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 34.39 36.72 Afternoon. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 34.85 35.11 Hi. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 38.4 38.96 Oh. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 38.96 39.36 Nice. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 41.96 42.21 And you? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 43.58 45.64 Uh, yes, I had something similar 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 46.3 48.04 but non-vegetarian. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 50.21 51.08 Okay. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 51.08 52.14 So today is um 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 60.47 63.31 If I come back to uh the minutes of the last meetings 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 53.41 55.61 our third meeting. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 55.61 60.47 It will be about the conceptual design uh. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 83.11 87.04 Uh at the end of the meeting we should take decision on that point. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 77.51 83.11 So maybe we cou wi will be able to clarify this this question to today. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 65.7 77.51 We decided not to go for speech recognition technologies because of some reasons and we are not decided about u the use of L. C. D. screen on on the remote control because of costs. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 64.5 65.7 um. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 93.53 101.31 So each of you have some presentatio presentation to perform um who starts? 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 88.09 93.53 So I hope uh that your respective pr presentations uh will help us. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 106.66 107.3 Okay,. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 107.34 108.01 So marketing. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 112.62 116.03 So you are you saved your y your presentation somewhere? 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 116.22 116.39 Yep. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 117.44 118.32 So you're four? 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 118.55 119.83 Four, yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 120.47 121.29 Which is trend watch. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 126.2 128.33 Okay. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 128.33 130.13 Mr Marketing Experts. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 131.16 133.26 Yeah that's me. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 134.38 140.96 Well I investigate the preference more d I investigate deeper the preference of the users. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 133.26 134.38 Uh. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 140.96 146.08 Uh so the the current investigation th uh th uh sorry the current 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 131.75 133.24 So 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 148.94 149.36 the n 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 150.84 151.61 current trends? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 152.47 152.69 Yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 155.72 156.16 Okay. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 152.91 153.13 Yeah? 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 153.13 155.72 Okay. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 153.09 153.31 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 158.96 162.32 Well wha what I found um can you 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 164.63 164.78 Yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 163.65 164.63 Next slide? 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 166.28 170.96 What I found in order of importance from less to more important is that 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 164.29 165.16 Yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 165.16 166.28 Thank you. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 172.15 174.49 people want an easy to use device. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 184.19 197.68 but the most what they what they find more more interesting, more or more important it's uh a fancy look and feel instead of uh instead of the current 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 176.74 184.19 After they they want something new technologic technologically speaking,
IS1004c H03 MIO047 203.64 209.12 So now more more cool aspect 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 222.59 226.87 a device which is pleasant to to watch, to see. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 199.5 203.64 the current trend which was f the functional look and feel. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 209.12 222.59 ma more a cooler aspect uh rather than a device with many functions and many buttons with instead of i instead of ha of a device which can do many things,
IS1004c H00 MIO019 228.08 228.3 Okay. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 229.06 230.67 Uh also 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 248.13 249.85 furniture and all this 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 231.87 248.13 Well in in Euro in in Paris and and Milan the in Paris and in Paris and Milan the the current trend of uh of clothes 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 251.06 257.5 all this fashion it's it's fruit and the the the theme is fruit and vegetables. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 258.32 258.49 Mm. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 258.69 268.41 And also in the in the U. S. A. the the current the mor the most popular feeling it's it's a spongy. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 269.68 271.05 Spongy means eponge? 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 272.22 272.48 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 272.89 277.8 So maybe we should we should think in in this direction, so 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 277.39 282.13 What what do you mean by fruit and vegetables and spongy? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 282.13 283.74 What you mean clothe 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 282.17 283.75 Spongy means it it's like sp 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 283.45 289.79 Fruit vegetables is the the new have you seen the last exposition of clothes in Milan? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 289.91 291.23 No, I missed that one. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 291.22 301.6 Yeah, I I didn't miss an I didn't miss and I saw that the fruit, there are many fr pictures of fruits and vegetables in the clothes. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 307.98 312.11 So we're not gonna have a remote control in the shape of of a banana, just maybe 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 300.76 307.98 Oh, they're okay so they're not like dressed as a carrot they just have like pictures of fruit on, okay. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 303.67 305.54 No no, not not yet, not yet. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 308.08 310.38 So te textu textures, yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 306.35 308.08 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 311.56 311.83 Yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 313 315.14 Vegetable textures and all this kind. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 315.8 317.08 Drawings of bananas. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 318.54 323.05 Uh yeah, yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 319.26 322.24 Okay and 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 320.5 320.89 Uh-huh. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 323.08 327 But what's your suggestion how we can have some shape like that on the remote? 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 326.64 328.51 Well so this is in the next slide certainly. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 328.71 330.53 Uh no no, it's not. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 330.53 332 It's 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 329.78 332 It's not? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 334.71 336.17 So which fruit are you thinking of? 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 334.76 335.53 And 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 336.9 338.06 Um. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 340.25 347.41 I ha I haven't thought of any particular fruit, but the general aspect of the of the remote control 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 349.44 355.47 may may could remind some kind of vegetable, some kind of 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 356.74 361.95 instead of vegetable, some natur mm uh natural object or something. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 361.94 362.22 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 363.26 365.76 But yeah it it depends on the 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 364.57 367.9 So maybe you maybe you can display a banana on the L. C. D. . 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 369.21 378.66 Oh, so you want the remote control to be the shape of a fruit, or you want just some kind of like fruit logo on the 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 377.22 384.63 Means buttons are in the shape of fruits, buttons are in the frape shape of fruits or something, apple, banana, something like that. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 378.07 379.76 Yeah maybe the shape the shape 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 396.87 399.51 So we shouldn't be at re really attached 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 384.4 388.51 No, not n not not too much focus 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 388.51 396.87 not too much focu not n not too s not too similar to a fruit because next year the ten the trend the trend will be different. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 386.6 389.35 Apple for channel one. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 393.06 393.3 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 396.79 397.03 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 400.71 403.06 to to the trend but 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 402.44 408.3 So something that looks half like a fruit and half like an elephant. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 406.09 407.39 For instance, yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 407.39 408.69 African or as an elephant? 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 409.11 411.83 That we can discuss afterwards. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 410.26 411.84 Okay. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 410.35 412.93 But okay, I'm not, I'm not really sure 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 419.57 424.12 like maybe just like a little bit n a little fruit picture somewhere in the corner,
IS1004c H01 MIE090 414.69 419.57 if uh that would really appeal to everyone though, maybe just to fashion gurus 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 424.12 428.05 but I don't know about uh I dunno how ergonomic a, an orange is. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 426.84 432.62 Well ma maybe we we should further specify what target are we focusing. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 433.99 449.77 I think in my opinion we should focus on on young people because they are more open to new devi new devices and also yeah according to the marketing report ninety p ninety five percent of young people was 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 440.82 441.22 To fruit? 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 451.24 454.9 was was able to 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 456.29 460.24 to buy a a n a cooler remote control. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 461.08 462.54 But is it uh is fruit cool? 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 463.28 463.56 What? 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 463.92 464.49 That's a question. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 464.88 465.14 What? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 465.38 466.27 Is fruit cool? 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 468.6 468.83 Uh 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 467.6 468.6 Yeah? 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 470.76 471.49 Is the new trend 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 472.84 473.69 of the 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 474.32 481.49 Well I guess, you know, Apple has the iPod so, imagi just 'cause they have an apple on their 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 482.59 485.33 on their product, doesn't mean fruit is cool. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 486.72 493.44 No I think we we should think about a a shape with it a device with a shape of some 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 495.62 504.61 Okay, but it has to be easy to uh to use though and to hold you know, you don't wanna pear or a watermelon. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 502.63 502.85 Yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 505.9 510.95 Don don't you think we can find uh the shape of a fruit which is handy to use? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 510.08 513.66 Well, probably the only thing is a banana that I can think of, a cucumber. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 512.04 512.52 Banana. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 514.46 514.8 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 515.58 516.33 I dunno. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 515.59 516.29 Or m 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 515.89 516.4 Maybe too long. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 518.16 519.05 Maybe. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 519.05 519.66 Too green. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 519.25 520.86 Maybe. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 522.4 527.36 So, but I mean you also have to you have to also have, fit r all the buttons and you know. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 522.91 524.02 A banana. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 524.95 525.74 Um 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 529.14 530.09 It's, it 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 530.57 530.79 Yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 531.28 534.36 The thing is you have t normally with um with buttons 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 534.36 543.5 they have to be at some point attached to a circuit board so if you're gonna have things like on a cylindrical kind of device it may be difficult to kind of to build. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 543.78 545.16 I don't th it will be rolling a lot. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 544.36 551.3 Yeah but I li I like your idea that we shouldn't have a lot of buttons b buttons so 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 545.84 546.26 Okay. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 550.15 555.45 Yeah and you you you will not have pla enough a lot of place to put a L. C. D. on a banana also. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 556.92 557.24 Yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 557.29 562.27 Uh do you want a an L. C. D. with twenty five Euros? 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 560.75 565.57 Well, you're the Marketing Expert you should tell us if it is too much or not. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 561.2 562.6 Well, this is 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 564.04 564.91 I think 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 566.2 578.44 Well, according to the to the report people are more interested in in a fa fancy look and feel and in a technological inno in innovation,
IS1004c H03 MIO047 578.44 583.8 so, I will give more importance to the look and feel than rather than the 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 579.05 580.43 So 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 584.92 587.09 So you you you suggest to go f 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 585.77 592.38 new inputs and also it's I'm not convinced about this L. C. D. because you need uh internet connection,
IS1004c H03 MIO047 592.38 599.2 you need more things, it's not just buying a new control re remote, you need buying control remote, buying uh 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 595.62 596.28 Okay. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 599.96 609.8 S so you're simply you're simply looking s to a remote control that looks like a banana with few buttons with only a few buttons. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 600.5 601.19 more things. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 601.19 602.25 It's not so simple. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 607.21 608.67 For instance, yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 608.67 611.77 Yeah for for for given an an example yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 611.57 612.58 Okay good. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 612.58 614.09 So maybe you can go ahead? 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 614.6 616.13 Yeah no, it's what I already said. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 616.87 617.92 Okay. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 620.5 621.02 Um. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 619.04 620.5 Thanks. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 622.96 624.29 Okay, I'll give the floor. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 625.41 626.82 So you are User Interface guy. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 627.85 628.11 Okay. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 628.21 629.52 So you're three? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 629.64 629.98 Yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 631.54 633.13 And it's this one. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 633.22 633.36 Yep. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 636.34 636.79 Go for it. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 636.59 638.44 Yep. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 638.76 639.07 So. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 638.44 638.76 Okay. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 640.3 641.57 S next uh slide. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 642.7 643.07 Okay. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 643.07 656.78 So I received an email um around lunchtime letting me know that the brilliant minds at our technology division had developed an integrated programmable sample sensor sample speaker unit 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 656.78 662.43 um which is a way for you to have a conversation with your coffee machine and or remote control. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 662.18 663.76 But it's just a speaker right? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 663.84 666.62 It's no, what it is, it's it's very 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 665.81 666.81 It's not a microphone. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 667.86 672.19 It has a has a microphone, has a speaker, it's got a little chip and it allows you t 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 671.96 676.58 Actually I'm not reading microphone there, so that's why you can all have conversation, it just to speak to you. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 671.38 671.96 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 675.22 677.92 Well, it's a sample sensor sample speaker. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 679.72 681.52 Sample sensor sample speaker. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 681.52 683.56 It means that it can recognize 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 696.07 698.42 So, I mean, you know, I guess you could build that in 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 690.89 696.07 But uh there's no kind of um understanding of the phrase. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 683.56 690.89 it can do like a match on a on a certain phrase that you speak and then can play back a phrase in response to that. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 703.75 706.96 But basically the thing is, we have this technology available 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 698.42 703.75 you could you could link the the recognition of a certain phrase to some function on on the remote control. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 681.9 682.18 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 687.16 687.42 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 688.88 689.07 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 690.14 690.78 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 695.73 696.07 Okay. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 702.31 703.46 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 707.41 707.93 In-house. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 708.45 709 in-house. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 709 709.84 So 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 717.47 730.72 so um it it but it basically means we c we can kind of consider this from uh you know uh a theoretical or usability kind of viewpoint without worrying too much about you know how to develop it because we have this already done. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 709.84 717.47 um but the thing is obviously there's still gonna be a cost if you decided to integrate that because you still have to pay for the c production of the components 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 709.04 709.52 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 713.53 715.25 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 730.53 731.26 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 731.98 736.37 Whilst you know, some people might get annoyed if we uh if we just dump it, 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 735.55 736.97 I there's something that I 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 738.48 741.52 unclear really understanding. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 741.52 745.73 Is this a technology that recognize keywords speech keywords? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 752.69 756.2 You train it for a certain uh, for a certain phrase 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 745.35 752.69 It's it it's no, well, it's it'll recognize uh I guess keywords, but you know keywords in a certain order like a phrase. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 767.14 774.96 you can say good morning to the coffee machine and it can recognize that phrase and it'll playback good morning, how would you like your coffee? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 756.2 767.14 you say the the example they said that they have uh up and running with their prototype is um well they've actually integrated into the into the the coffee machine that uh that we're producing is,
IS1004c H00 MIO019 773.92 776.67 And it's just to, it's just to playback something? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 776.84 777.35 Yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 777.35 782.16 So actually that was a bad example, 'cause it doesn't actually ask how do you want your coffee because it can't really understand the response, so. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 781.49 782.01 Yeah yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 782.01 787.17 So this is not s really to do to to do control. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 787.87 794.09 Only, like, only in the sense that it it can recognize a set a set target kind of word an 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 793.15 796.82 This is just more like a poi pois yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 792.23 793.15 Yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 795.35 802.28 It's designed it's designed as a fun kind of thing, but I guess you could use it as uh as a way to implement uh 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 797.74 798.54 Yeah yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 802.25 821.04 So it it's c uh it it it is a uh uh easy uh a fancy thing that you you can bring to we can bring to the remote control that will not have any uh yeah comp completely pointless for the inter for from the interaction point of v point of view. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 802.28 803.8 Yeah but you can u 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 812.55 813.68 Completely pointless yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 814.62 816.66 Yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 819.92 823.83 Yeah, unless you know, you like having conversation with your remote control. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 823.59 823.81 Okay. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 824.39 828.96 Yeah but the can we use it for saying okay, channel fifty, channel twenty? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 838.94 842.63 you have to s tr train it to l to learn channel fifteen, that whole thing,
IS1004c H01 MIE090 828.84 838.94 if you can but you have to pro though I think it's a fairly simple design so you would have to record into the device every possible combination,
IS1004c H01 MIE090 846.65 847.07 So 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 842.63 846.65 not just the word channel and the word fifteen, it doesn't have that kind of logic in it. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 827.75 828.84 Well yeah, that's the thing 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 856.58 862.92 So if if if it is something that you can we can bring easily and to put it into the banana remote control 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 853.03 856.58 So this is out of discussion. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 844.02 845.19 Yeah yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 845.19 853.03 So this is so this is this is much more than tak taking this technology, bringing it to the remote control and using it. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 846.23 846.71 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 851.28 853.61 Yeah, that would be some development work. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 856.2 856.37 Yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 863.4 864.14 M Mando. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 864.68 866.28 Banana-mando. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 866.28 870.94 Banana-man 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 868.04 871.24 Uh then it could be cool yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 865.25 868.04 No this is mm banana-bando, yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 866.27 867.52 Banana-mando yeah. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 874.51 875.39 Yeah okay, let's go ahead. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 876.27 876.88 Okay. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 876.32 880.88 I uh I I I don't think it's worth it though, I think it doesn't really add much to the functional 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 882.02 884.49 design and it's it's it's not mature enough 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 885.64 888.59 to use as a speech recognition engine, so 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 887.99 888.53 Okay. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 893.42 901.53 I've just done a quick mock-up of uh uh some of the features of our potential funky-looking uh remote control 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 889.98 891.51 Um, yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 891.51 893.42 So if we can just move on to the next slide 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 900.66 902.47 It doesn't look like a banana at all. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 902.55 907.32 Well, you see, I was I was unaware at this point of th of the fruit focus,
IS1004c H01 MIE090 907.32 910.29 um, so at the moment it's more of a box focus. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 906.58 907.05 Yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 908.13 912.16 Looks like a tr look likes a a tro a tropical fruit. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 908.38 911.69 But you you can fit i you're saying now you can fit it to 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 912.51 920.46 Yeah, well, this is actu this could be a genetically engineered fruit that's designed to be you know square so that it packs tighter in the boxes. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 912.87 913.26 Yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 913.25 913.58 Yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 921.43 929.24 But um, I've just indicated here, we could have actually two scroll wheels, 'cause I think the scroll wheel is a fairly um key part of,
IS1004c H01 MIE090 929.24 934.43 you know, I think everyone has has agreed that it's that it could be quite a useful um thing, so. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 930.37 933.5 To have, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 928 930.37 Stable thing, that's right. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 939.07 942.81 you know, you want one for for the channel, but you also want one for for the volume,
IS1004c H01 MIE090 942.81 949.77 because it's it's the volume i it's, you know it's very handy for it to have uh instant kind of uh feedback uh and response, so. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 934.94 939.07 But I think it's important, you know, to have two scroll wheels because,
IS1004c H00 MIO019 942.71 943.07 Mm. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 947.59 948.69 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 950.54 957.4 But um, I've also included this turbo button because I think, you know, every design should have a turbo button,
IS1004c H01 MIE090 965.31 971.98 the uh the tuner on the T. V. is not gonna be able to to switch between stations as fast as you can scroll,
IS1004c H01 MIE090 971.98 975.66 so you know, the th the person might want to have a uh 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 957.4 965.31 and well so this is you know, a unique problem with with televisions is that if you have this scro this scroll wheel for the television 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 957.01 957.92 What's a turbo button? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 986.17 992.53 Or they might want to scroll and and have a quick glimpse of it, even if it lags behind what they're doing. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 981.34 986.17 in which case it just waits until you stop scrolling and then, you know, displays that station. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 976.44 981.34 Might want to be able to scroll past television stations without seeing what's on them,
IS1004c H03 MIO047 991.85 993.5 It con it controls the speed? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1002.51 1009.36 it's um, you could have a little red light that comes up when they press it so they feel you know it's really going fast or whatever. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 993.94 1002.51 Yeah, so with this turbo button you can, say, skip over t channels if uh, you know, if I'm if I'm going if I'm scrolling past them and you know,
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1017.26 1021.98 but I mean we can discuss about what other kind of buttons we need, um. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1011.57 1017.26 So yeah, that's um, those are the two important uh features I think we need on the remote,
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1016.03 1016.31 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1028.33 1035.68 we could either consider that maybe we want to sell this as a very, if it's gonna be a banana, you know that's a pretty gimmicky kind of 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1022.89 1028.33 You know, i it could be, you know, if we if we wanna have like a very cheap kind of device, I mean,
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1038.89 1047.98 it's just you know a couple of scroll wheels and a button cause it's hard to get so many buttons on a banana and it's still very it may even be for most for some people more functional than their current remote,
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1047.98 1053.74 but if they have these scroll wheels, so, um you know, what other buttons do we want? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1036.58 1038.89 thing that doesn't have that much functionality 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1042.32 1042.85 It's enough. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1055.28 1055.53 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1063.31 1066.61 you know, it's kind of like a spy kind of flick thing. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1058.38 1063.31 but you could you could o you could turn it turn it on by taking the top off the banana maybe,
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1055.96 1058.38 I mean we could have well, I guess you need an on and off switch 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1058.04 1058.65 Switch on. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1058.65 1058.97 Yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1067.33 1069.35 I like crazy ideas. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1065.42 1067.33 So sounds crazy. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1064.58 1065.42 Yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1068.32 1072.92 That's why you're a marketing guru. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1071.5 1076.32 So i it looks like we're going completely to forget about the L. C. D. thing. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1070.63 1071.5 Okay. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1070.9 1072.44 Yeah, of course. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1077.9 1083.06 Well, that's the thing, as have we decided that we can only spend, uh, twenty five Euro? 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1083.7 1084.92 I think that 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1084.17 1086.31 Well not spend, but you know, charge twenty five Euro. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1087.31 1095.42 I I think we could use somehow the s coffee machine dialogue interface or so. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1095.95 1097.47 No we can we can't use that. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1100.99 1101.61 We can't. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1099.73 1100.99 You we can? 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1100.97 1102.16 We can't use that to 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1103.48 1104.43 Communicate. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1103.88 1106.41 to comman co communicate, it's just a thing 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1108.59 1108.96 No? 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1105.78 1108.59 Yeah, but we can say channel twenty five. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1106.46 1107.36 It's one way. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1108 1108.24 No. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1109.1 1113.77 But then you have to have a template for every channel, for a hundred channels, you have to be able to to recognize 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1114.36 1117 It's not a lot one hundred templates, it's not 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1114.41 1114.66 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1115.07 1115.49 Mm. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1119.11 1123.21 than our can handle because it's designed for a coffee machine, you know, to say hello in the morning. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1116.29 1119.11 Well, I f I think it's probably more than,
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1120.08 1120.46 Yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1125.71 1127.07 Is it design for a coffee machine? 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1123.2 1125.71 Ah, it's designed for a cof okay. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1127.16 1133.77 Well that's its current application, I would presume that it's kind of, they wouldn't design it to handle a hundred things th so. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1128.62 1129.42 Okay. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1131.85 1133.83 Yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1133.83 1139.1 Maybe you could ask your the you could ask the engineering department if we can 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1137.95 1138.36 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1141.95 1142.38 You're finished? 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1139.84 1141.95 You want to g to move to your slides? 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1138.66 1139.84 A good good good thing. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1138.08 1138.66 Yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1139.51 1140.18 But uh 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1140.69 1141.77 Yeah, that's right, yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1146.78 1151.57 even if we can do it, I think it's not really appropriate for uh television environment. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1142.83 1146.78 Well I just I just made the point, I don't I don't know if that speech recognition is, you know,
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1150.08 1150.64 Yeah I think so. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1168.58 1173.22 even if it's just you press on a button on it and uh and the remote control starts beeping,
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1152.13 1155 But um I did have one thing from a previous meeting 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1173.22 1175.82 you know, this is a way of finding the remote. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1165.79 1168.58 It might be useful to have some kind of base station 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1163.14 1165.79 a base station that can control other things as well. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1155 1163.14 you were talking about um being able to find the remote control and I was talking about extendin being able to extend the remote control by having you know 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1156.32 1156.49 Yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1165.34 1165.69 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1176.73 1187.53 Y in that case maybe the maybe the speech recognition the speech thing could be useful just to say I'm here but uh it's probably a bit of overkill if you could just have a a beeping 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1177.03 1177.27 Mm. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1181.02 1181.69 Exactly yeah. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1186.51 1190.68 So it's a speech synthesis kind of thing, something has been uh stored and it's just uh spoken out. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1189.05 1190.05 It's speech 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1190.8 1198.3 It's it's speech synthesis and s it's speech kind of, not really speech recognition, but kind of pattern matching, yeah yeah. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1192.39 1192.68 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1199.53 1200.44 Okay, let's move on. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1198.36 1199.53 Very good. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1195.27 1198.36 Oh, good idea. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1195.29 1196.23 Yeah. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1196.23 1196.67 That's right. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1203.17 1204.51 So you're two? 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1204.16 1204.53 That's right. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1209.15 1209.51 Okay. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1209.25 1212.6 So this is going to be about the component design. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1212.6 1215.92 So first thing is we need power source for the remote control. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1228.83 1234.08 when the lighting conditions are good they can be used so it'll be pretty uh innovative kind. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1215.92 1222.55 So I was of the idea that we can have two kind of power supplies, one is the usual batteries which are there 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1222.55 1228.83 they could be chargeable batteries if there's a basis station kind of thing and on top of that we can have solar cells 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1212.18 1212.5 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1235.05 1243.52 Then uh we need plastic with some elasticity so that if your if the remote control falls it's not broken directly into pieces 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1243.52 1245.22 there should be some flexibility in t 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1244.79 1248.28 I guess that fits in with the spongy kind of design philosophy. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1247.96 1249.7 Yeah. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1249.56 1249.97 Yeah. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1249.97 1255.35 So there should we should think of something like that and then it should be double curve. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1263.17 1270.57 Then controls for the traditionals u traditional users we can have the push buttons so that they don't feel that it's an alien thing for them. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1256.39 1263.17 The s science for the ease of handling and there are some other issues why we need double curve. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1271.14 1274.91 So, just one second, when you say double curve, what do you actually mean? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1274.91 1279.97 You reckon you could like draw us a thing on the, on the whiteboard 'cause I'm not sure 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1278.58 1281.68 Double curve is, you have curves on both the sides if I'm right. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1283.83 1285.98 So it's symmetrical kind of thing, whatever it is. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1285.76 1288.7 Okay, but like, kind of convex or concave? 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1287.24 1293.14 So, it could be curve, so it could be convex, conve concave, depending on what what we want. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1292.08 1293.34 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1293.34 1293.58 Okay. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1298.08 1305.49 These are the three things, and there are different materials, with plastic you can have double curve but with uh certain other materials we cannot have double curve. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1294.72 1298.08 So there are flats, there are single curve and there are double curves. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1297.89 1298.24 Okay. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1306.01 1311.14 So there there was uh there were many other materials like wood, titanium and all those things,
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1311.14 1316.54 but plastic is I think is the most appropriate one, it'll bring the cost down and anyway it's 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1313.9 1314.1 Yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1316.08 1317.13 Although, you know, wood 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1324.05 1329.31 nice quality kind of wood that's got a nice grain and you kind of put some, some varnish on. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1318.38 1324.05 could be uh quite a stylish uh option, if you take like,
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1326.78 1331.66 Mm but i but there is no elasticity which could be 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1331.02 1332.22 Wooden cases 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1338.79 1344.43 Yeah but inside you know you could have you can still have some kind of cushioning that's not visible to the to the user. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1331.9 1333.06 Well it depends, I mean,
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1333.06 1338.79 you have the outs the wood itself is not gonna break so you don't have to worry too much about the case being broken, it's the inside. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1337.56 1338.99 Yeah but the components inside. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1342.37 1342.9 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1342.43 1343.16 Yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1344.61 1345.73 Very too expensive to do. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1344.79 1345.1 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1346.9 1347.08 Yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1348.2 1351.78 And I mean you could also, you can have just a very thin veneer of wood as well. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1348.56 1349.23 And also uh 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1351.6 1356.09 Yeah but it's more easier to do a banana in plastic than uh in wood. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1357 1359.53 That's true, but are we set on the banana 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1360.66 1361.11 idea? 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1362.25 1362.83 Actually 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1362.39 1366.31 Well it look like it looks like you are all targeting that yeah? 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1363.92 1364.78 I was thinking that the 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1366.85 1368.53 the shape of a banana is not 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1370.21 1371.13 it's not really handy. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1372.02 1372.46 Yes it is. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1373.37 1376.44 Uh I don't know the name o o in English uh 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1381.55 1386.11 This it's not a fruit it's a vegetable. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1383.77 1385.78 Is it an e apple which has 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1386.55 1388.56 It's like a pumpkin or 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1389.23 1389.71 Pumpkin. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1388.06 1389.23 Yeah? 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1390.24 1390.64 Green. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1391.12 1391.5 Green. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1391.48 1391.95 Green. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1391.95 1394.76 Um um um, yes I see. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1396.45 1397.5 What does it taste like? 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1396.77 1398.09 And you put in the salad. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1398.4 1399.04 Pep pepperoni. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1400.05 1400.23 Um 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1400.12 1401.93 Ah yeah, is it what's it in French? 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1402.6 1402.87 Poivron. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1403.76 1405.83 Oui c'est ca 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1404.59 1407.54 Yeah, okay, so capsicum or pepper. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1407.54 1407.72 Yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1407.3 1407.79 Uh pepper. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1408.13 1408.57 Pepper. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1409.71 1411.84 But um they do d 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1411.25 1415.64 And it's al it also suits with the double curve for easy of 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1415.13 1415.55 Yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1416.69 1420.28 I don't know, it seems a little bit kind of bulky to me, like 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1419.96 1421.86 No, I mean in a 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1420.26 1420.56 Yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1421.43 1425.68 It's not re it you you think it's really fancy and fun? 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1425.68 1427.82 You think that young people that are 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1421.71 1423.5 like with a banana you can have 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1426.87 1428.98 I'm sure it's fun. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1429.23 1430.45 More than a banana? 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1428.88 1429.23 Yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1431.06 1434.86 But banana is not so handy, I think that's handier. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1433.51 1438.15 Banana is more handier as compared to this I think, and to capsicum. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1433.53 1434.47 Well 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1438.85 1443.58 But like a banana you can you can be holding like this and have the scroll wheel kind of on top and just 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1443.29 1443.79 Yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1444.72 1450.79 roll it back and forth like that, but with uh I don't know how you would hold a capsicum and 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1460.42 1461.73 So time is running, let's move on. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1458.79 1460.42 Okay let's move on. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1445.58 1458.79 It's kind it's kind of it's more uh it's really ergonomic, it's fit in the hand and you've a lot of surface to to put the controls. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1459.52 1460.29 Yeah you're right. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1466.35 1472.32 just and a scroll button with push technology for channel selection, volume control and teletext browsing. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1461.7 1466.35 Okay, so push buttons for the traditional users so that they don't feel they are alienated,
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1472.32 1477.86 These are the three scroll buttons which are already available with us in the company and we we can go ahead with that. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1478.5 1479.21 Okay. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1478.89 1481.07 Yeah, we can go to the next slide. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1488.57 1490.34 So we can have regular chip for control. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1490.34 1493.45 Pricing is a factor for us, that's why we'll go for the regular chip. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1481.07 1488.57 Then uh there are different kind of chips, one one is the basic chip and the regular chip and one an adva advanced chip. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1494.17 1502.64 And uh regular chip supports speaker support, so this functionality could be used for tracing the mobile phone which has been misplaced. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1502.18 1507.41 So is that, when you say speaker support, you mean it just has some output pinned which which which kind of 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1507.04 1508.48 It could be a beep kind of thing. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1514.39 1514.74 Okay. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1508.71 1514.39 Okay, but the speaker is actually attached to the to the chip in some way, or is just the the signal? 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1513.08 1521.04 Yes, yes, that's right, it's it's onto the chip, most most probably, not not hundred per cent sure about that. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1519.34 1519.65 Okay. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1520.8 1527.6 So are there any issues where we place this this chip to make sure you can actually hear the the speaker from the outside of the banana? 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1529.12 1535.73 That will be the volume control I think which which a user shou it it should be already pre-defined. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1535.73 1539.08 It should be whatever will be the case, the chip is always going to be sitting inside. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1537.27 1537.63 Okay. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1539.8 1545.74 Yeah, but the speaker, if the speaker is actually on the chip, then if it's too far away from the the casing,
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1545.74 1549.72 or if the casing is too thick, then you may not hear the the speaker. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1542.73 1543.01 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1548.68 1554.06 Uh, so we can have it at one of the boundaries so that things are slightly better. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1554.06 1559.19 As or as hearing is concerned, we can have some gap at some place, so that 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1553.91 1554.17 Yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1558.73 1564.62 So that's something we have to keep in mind with the actual physical design is to keep the the speaker close enough to the outside. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1558.32 1558.73 Yeah. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1562.49 1562.92 That's right. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1565.38 1568.76 So these these were the component selection and these things. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1564.74 1565.38 Yeah. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1564.3 1564.74 Okay. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1568.76 1569.72 We can go to the next slide. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1584.15 1591.84 so our T. V. remote can have little extra things to support additional devices like V. C. R. D. V. D. players which are usually attached with the T. V. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1573.14 1577.97 And uh these were the findings which I I saw with the web web 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1577.97 1584.15 that user wants to have control more than one device wants to control more than one device from the same remote control 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1596.08 1600.73 so with this additional little, we might be having slightly better market for us. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1591.84 1596.08 because users are like this and they don't want to have one remote control for everything,
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1596.92 1598.07 Although, if 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1600.79 1605.41 It depends, if we like, if we are concentrating on like a fruit design,
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1611.19 1619.34 Cause that, you know, that sometimes people like to collect um you know things that of a similar type. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1605.41 1611.19 then maybe maybe we wanna sell a collection of fruit, you know, like a different fruit for each device. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1605.66 1606.03 Mm. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1608.83 1609.56 Of fruits. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1611.05 1615.16 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1615.16 1617.38 Remotes objects, okay. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1615.52 1616.41 S objects. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1617.9 1618.87 Crazy objects. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1618.39 1625.61 I think that would be funny at the beginning but after one month you will be tired of be surrounded of fruits. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1626.13 1628.23 Well, you're the one who wanted to do fruit in the first place. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1627.81 1630.64 No but I think just one fruit to control everything. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1631.18 1631.99 Like a power fruit. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1632.25 1637.25 A power fr a power M a Mando, a Supermando fruit. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1635.52 1646.93 And uh as well as I could see on the web the scroll button is becoming really uh hot thing s and we should have it on the remote. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1644.51 1645.12 Yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1644.78 1645.1 Okay. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1646.97 1652.03 Actually I I didn't understand very well this trace speaker lost control. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1647.09 1647.52 Well 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1647.1 1647.61 Okay, good. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1652.33 1653.83 So you're having a basis station. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1658.3 1661.83 So you and it's that's why it can have chargeable batteries. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1661.83 1662.62 Now let's say 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1655.87 1658.3 Your usually your remote sits on that. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1654.97 1655.87 Okay. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1662.13 1665.45 So you you have to buy two things, the banana and the basis station. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1667.69 1669.49 You s you you thing. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1665.05 1667.69 Bu it's it's. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1665.78 1667.1 Basis station is with the thing. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1670.55 1675.33 It's like a telephone handset is there and the basis station for the telephone hand set is there. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1675.33 1683.39 So now what user gets additionally he doesn't have to buy batteries, they're rechargeable batteries, so over the period of cor time he'll recover the cost. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1692.12 1692.65 Uh 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1684.56 1692.12 So you're having the basis station and there is a button, if you press that button wherever the remote it'll start beeping so you know where the remote is. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1691.87 1693.52 I think that's a pretty handy feature. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1693.51 1694.04 Yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1694.03 1694.28 Yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1701.03 1702.88 even if they didn't have to buy extra batteries, you know. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1694.9 1701.03 I think it's kind of people would find that worth it even if it wasn't uh a recharging station,
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1701.09 1703.33 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1703.8 1707.77 Yeah but I'm a bit worried about the budget. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1704.09 1704.55 So 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1709.43 1717.54 just it's a wire which is coming from the main cable and uh you're having one socket on which the thing sits. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1706.73 1709.43 Uh this is basis station is nothing more 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1713.14 1713.42 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1717.17 1721.39 Although you do need to include R. F. kind of circuitry in the remote. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1719.89 1720.98 That's right. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1733.05 1737.55 So it's the basic thing but very trendy and very user-friendly. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1725.29 1727.89 So component cost is going to be the least. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1727.89 1733.05 Anyway, we are not using really advanced technology, L. C. D. has already been ruled out, A. S. R. has been ruled out. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1720.98 1725.29 But all these things are usually in-house so we don't have much problems. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1744.5 1749.4 it's um it seemed like it first seems a bit kind of uh niche,
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1749.4 1754.84 like only a few people would really want a banana, but what if it was kind of uh a stylised banana? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1738.42 1739.3 Okay. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1754.84 1761.33 You know, rather than having it kind of you know yellow and really looking exactly like a banana, you could make it kind of silver. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1739.3 1744.5 I'm just wondering actually, 'cause, you know, I this whole fruit thing with the banana 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1738.93 1739.31 And 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1762.22 1769.36 And um, you know to give you kind of the idea of a banana but without it looking you know completely 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1772.36 1774.36 For better want of a better word you know? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1771.17 1772.36 kitsch. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1774.42 1775.98 You think that yellow it's kitsch. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1774.51 1774.79 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1776.2 1780.03 Well, you know, I don I don't know how many peop 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1779.09 1783.66 If you make something that looks like a banana it should have the colour of a banana. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1779.47 1780.19 Yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1782.2 1782.97 No, I I 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1789.35 1791.1 It's neither a banana nor a 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1784.56 1789.35 A yeah, otherwise it'll be mis means you don't get b any feeling then. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1785.18 1785.79 Well they 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1785.92 1787.28 O otherwise 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1787.4 1788.97 Maybe li like that. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1790.07 1791.8 Yeah, like this colour this colour 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1793.04 1797.31 Maybe, you know, maybe like still in the shape of a banana. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1797.79 1798.48 Roughly. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1809.24 1817.99 you know because the thing is it's gonna be a little bit difficult to make um to give like the texture of a banana anyway and to k to have the exact shape. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1799.23 1801.85 No, exactly. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1801.85 1802.84 Exactly. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1802.84 1809.24 Um, but you know, just maybe maybe not exactly the same texture as a banana and just kind of 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1817.99 1824.21 I think if you're gonna not be able to do it properly you may as well do it in a stylised way that just looks a bit more kind of,
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1824.21 1827.87 you know, twenty first century rather than sixties or seventies. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1826.47 1826.8 Yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1833.28 1840.27 Before before st before ending the meeting I'd like to to draw some sketch about the pro future prot prototype. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1832.02 1833.28 Uh uh yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1840.27 1840.61 Go for it. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1830.4 1831.37 Okay. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1831.37 1832.02 Let's move on. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1831.06 1833.04 And uh going to the last slide. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1839.66 1839.93 Okay. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1841.46 1841.7 Okay. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1843.47 1846.32 Well no, not not you, you can finish your slides before 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1858.16 1858.31 Yep. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1853.01 1857.05 So that was very I thought it's a very good suggestion by everybody. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1857.05 1858.16 That's it. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1846.42 1853.01 Anyway, users'll be so the findings is users'll be very interested in our locator device to find their misplaced remotes. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1844.94 1845.82 Okay. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1845.82 1846.42 Okay, so. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1851.57 1853.07 Mm okay. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1894 1902.38 um the speaker unit um well not in order not to lost the um the device, I do I don't remember you call it? 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1856.88 1857.68 Okay. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1857.68 1858.66 That's all? 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1862.69 1868.79 So we need to take some de decisions about um about what we're going to do. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1868.79 1894 So I I propose that you go to the whiteboard and we're going to report all the ideas we had we had during this these presentations just to draw some sketch about what will be the prod final product and uh where Superman go banana and uh uh extra func functionalities such as wheels,
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1858.66 1862.69 Okay, so mm so well done for the presentations. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1871.92 1872.16 Yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1881.68 1881.91 Okay. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1890.08 1890.35 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1903.4 1904.34 That's right. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1902.44 1903.4 The basis station. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1901.93 1902.44 That's right. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1904.95 1909.65 Uh so um so we're going for a stylish 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1903.37 1904.95 Basis station, yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1911.13 1912.08 banana shape. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1912.77 1913.68 Yeah, so 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1913.68 1924.12 I guess you wanna hold like the way the end of the banana you wanna kind of hold as ma you maybe wanna kinda hold like a gun rather than 'cause you don't want it to point kind of towards the floor. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1923.31 1924.5 Yeah, right. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1925.2 1925.85 So 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1927.25 1928.69 you know, so if you have like 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1929.59 1931.23 What about what about this shape? 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1932.39 1933.07 More or less. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1933.75 1933.96 We 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1934.37 1936.85 There's less space on this to put with the buttons. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1960.16 1965.78 So let's skip to uh this uh this this this idea. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1956.14 1960.16 So ti time is running, we have to we have to we have to to move forward. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1937.23 1947.35 I if it i if it has really the model shape of a bana you could the the starting is good but it could it should have more the shape of a banana if you want to point really a at the thing. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1947.35 1956.14 If you don't want to to to do that movement which is which is difficult if you don't have to do it in fact, it's better. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1965.78 1965.99 Yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 1938.14 1940.3 Yeah, but how many buttons do we need? 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1956.09 1956.98 Uh what about a 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1966.81 1967.66 Okay, so 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1970.86 1971.62 So we have this. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1971.62 1974.5 We have a a basis um, how do you call it? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1971.03 1971.64 So 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1975.36 1976.07 The base station. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1977.76 1981.03 We'll have a base station extra uh on the side. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1976.1 1977.76 A base station. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1977.23 1977.53 Right. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1980.33 1986.48 okay, so I guess we need, you know, something that can fit a banana 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1988 1988.75 shaped object. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1988.84 1989.29 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1989.29 1989.53 Yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1990.2 1998.17 Uh, we have a R. F. for um for beeping for beeping. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1988.87 1990.2 Yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 1998.17 2000.54 We need b R. F. to beep. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2000.54 2005.8 So we that means we need a button on th on the on the basis. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 1996.49 1998.29 That's right, yeah, we need that, yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 1999.28 2001.03 Okay, so it's uh 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2006.41 2006.62 Yeah. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2008.15 2008.88 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2006.55 2008.15 Basis station. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2007.35 2010.81 Basis station, thank you. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2011.14 2013.77 Alright, so we need uh okay. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2024.05 2025.35 Can you go quickly please? 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2025.35 2026.3 Okay. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2026.3 2037.94 So we are going to add uh also um you as you suggested the whee some wheels to control the volumes and channels and your tur turbo turbo uh button. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2024.13 2024.32 Yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2033.67 2033.92 Yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2037.16 2043.35 Yeah, which I think it's it's probably best actually on the on the underneath of the the device, so you have 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2037.43 2038.11 Turbo button. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2041.54 2044.28 Yeah, on the th yeah, maybe here. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2044.28 2047.97 And the and the wheel a a at the level of the thumb for instance. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2044.32 2044.69 Yes. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2051.31 2058.81 So yeah, you need one one here and one on on the other side, so you got volume an and channel. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2058.81 2059.72 And, uh 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2048.32 2051.31 Yeah, so you have the thumb kind of here. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2050.14 2051.36 And and you have two wheels. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2054.96 2055.53 Okay right. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2058.02 2058.23 Good. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2059.19 2060.76 So no L. C. D. . 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2061.73 2062.25 No L. C. D. . 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2062.31 2063.9 Okay great. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2063.9 2064.33 Um. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2066.45 2067.46 Very good. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2068.01 2068.32 Okay. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2068.37 2072.23 Oh we need a we need a power um on off switch as well. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2072.55 2073.94 Yeah. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2072.92 2074.21 Uh for the remote? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2075.16 2075.41 Yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2078.79 2080.19 Uh so you 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2075.69 2078.79 Oh, just the switch, no f not for the T. V. for the T. V. . 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2076 2078.04 Remotes don't have power on off switch. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2078.66 2078.82 Yeah. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2078.79 2079.39 Okay. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2079.39 2083.69 S no, that'll be controlled by the those buttons'll be there already, yeah. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 2081.82 2082.8 What a 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2084.62 2084.88 Where? 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2085.6 2086.67 Means on the remote. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2086.11 2086.64 On the side. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2092.41 2100.37 They are not going to cost you much, everything is in-house and now you don't want the traditional users to be apprehensive of this. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2087.96 2092.41 Because remote is going to have both the interfaces, scroll as well as buttons. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2087.98 2088.35 Okay. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2101.13 2105.69 Well, I dunno if the traditional user is gonna buy a a banana remote 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2107.84 2110.36 That's that's another issue which I didn't think of. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2106.81 2107.84 Oh, yeah. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2107 2108.04 in the first place, you know. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2109.16 2112.01 Y I mean you need to kind of keep it um 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2112.59 2119 But you know our targets are very high, means fifty million Euros is the profit which we want make. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 2118.52 2119.71 What about 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2120.83 2122.03 I can't remember, what was 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2119.25 2120.83 Yeah, how many of these did we wanna sell? 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2122.57 2124.19 Twelve point five is the profit on one. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2121.3 2122.57 Twenty five. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2122.85 2123.55 Twenty five. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2124.84 2127.69 Yeah, but how many units did we need to to sell? 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2128.01 2129.71 Uh forty th four. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 2130.17 2131.63 Four millions? 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2130.48 2131.53 Point point four million? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2133.08 2133.92 Four point four million. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2134.05 2134.73 Point four million. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2135.8 2136.96 That's a lot of fruit. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2137.64 2141.27 In the market. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 2138.44 2141.6 What about a 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2139.21 2139.55 Yeah. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2147.73 2151.92 The next step is to go for to f is to go to uh 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2141.58 2141.86 No. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2141.86 2144.1 Time is running, we have to close the meeting in a few minutes. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2140.76 2141.17 So. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2141.17 2141.58 Well. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2144.1 2147.73 So, okay, the next step, you can come back to your seat. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2143.53 2143.89 Okay. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2147.01 2147.25 Okay. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2153.08 2157.84 to building a prototype, based on this, okay? 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2157.84 2162.9 So next meeting you guys have to prepare the followi things. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2168.19 2173.17 in fact you two you have to work together to model the first uh f first prototype. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2162.9 2168.19 You have to uh work on the look and feel uh design and you have to work on the user interface 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2157.23 2157.52 Okay. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2169.89 2170.19 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2174.34 2178.6 Uh Marketing Expert uh have to go to product evaluation. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2180.36 2180.73 Okay? 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 2180.42 2191.5 I wo what about adding the this word spotting, keyword spotting recognition saying volume up volume down? 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2191.52 2192.26 It's too difficult. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 2192.96 2206.08 It's too difficult but people like innovation and that's really uh innovative and I don't know if it would cost a lot, just a few five words. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2206.3 2213.31 It's not a possi it will not be possible to implement it for the next prototype, so t it's in the next prototype so let's skip it. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2212.26 2212.59 Uh. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 2213.71 2214.28 Okay. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2214.37 2217.06 For the future prototypes. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2222.51 2225.03 Yeah yeah, honour the fruit. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2215.8 2222.51 Yeah, maybe, for the n if if if it it works well, we'll go for uh an orange one. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2217.92 2218.89 That can be the t 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2220.32 2223.51 That can be like the turbo banana plus plus commando. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 2222.88 2225.03 Plus plus, okay. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 2225.03 2229.66 Maybe objective banana? 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2228.52 2230.1 Thanks very much. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2226.21 2228.52 Okay. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2232.01 2232.17 Bye. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2230.1 2232.01 We'll see n next meeting. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2232.26 2233.15 So meeting's over? 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2233.71 2234.27 Yep. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2234.27 2235.63 We have to go design the prototype. 
IS1004c H01 MIE090 2232.58 2233.71 Okay. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2235.06 2235.82 Okay. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2236.94 2237.27 Thank you. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2235.82 2236.94 Okay. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2234.26 2235.06 Okay. 
IS1004c H00 MIO019 2237.98 2238.25 Thank you. 
IS1004c H03 MIO047 2238.44 2238.83 Thank you. 
IS1004c H02 MIO022 2245.37 2247 The problem is after all this meeting there is 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 25.38 26 Okay. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 26 27.2 Good afternoon again. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 79.84 80.26 Okay. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 41.17 45.31 Um So here is the agenda for today. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 63.16 79.84 Then we'll have to go through finance evaluation of the of the cost of the thing and um hopefully uh we should fit the target o tw of twelve point five uh uh Euro. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 45.31 57.34 Uh uh just going to go quickly through the minutes of the last last uh meeting then we have a p presentation of prototype of you two, sounds interesting. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 80.26 81.25 So let's go. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 28.45 41.17 So we should have our final meeting about the detail designed of detail design of the product of the remote control. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 57.34 63.16 And we'll have um presentation of evaluation crit criteria by ou our Marketing Experts. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 81.25 85.45 Uh if I go quickly through the minutes of the last meeting. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 87.2 92.48 So we went through th uh w we took this following decisions. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 93.81 103.07 No L. C. D., no speech recognition technology, okay, we went through a b to a banana look and feel for the remote control. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 120.2 121.78 Okay. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 103.07 108.52 We went through the use of wheels and but buttons. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 108.52 120.2 And also the use of a basis station for battery ch charging and uh also to um call the to call the mot mote remote control when it is lost. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 121.78 122.8 Um. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 122.8 123.09 Good. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 124.44 125.63 So guys 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 127.89 129.74 let this uh wonderful thing. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 134.66 134.79 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 131.94 134.66 Okay so we can go to the slides. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 136.97 137.72 Um. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 133.76 134.18 Oh yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 134.18 136.97 Sorry. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 137.51 138.38 Number three. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 138.38 139.16 Oh number two sorry. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 142.93 143.88 Which is 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 144.19 144.82 Final design. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 143.22 144.19 So final design. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 146.38 147.31 Okay so 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 148.65 149.44 Michael you can go ahead. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 150.72 155.12 Yeah so uh following our decision to uh 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 156.38 158.52 make a yellow well to make a banana 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 158.66 161.15 Yeah can you show it to the the camera maybe. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 160.27 162.16 remote okay so 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 164.08 165.1 we actually have a 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 165.46 167.25 You can pull it out first, maybe. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 166.67 177.73 We've well first first of all we made a an attractive base station uh with a banana leaf uh look and feel um and uh 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 173.75 174.09 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 191.32 192.46 We've got the two uh 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 185.75 191.32 it's kind of it's it's ergonomic, it fits in the hand uh rather well. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 178.95 185.75 bana sit the banana sits in there k you know nicely weighted so that it's not gonna tip over and um this is the remote itself,
IS1004d H01 MIE090 193.63 210.57 uh scroll wheels here which you know one on the the left for the uh volume and the one on the right for for the channel and uh underneath we have the uh the turbo button which is in like a nice uh trigger position for you know for pressing quite naturally. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 210.56 213.05 What's the use uh of the t turbo button already? 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 213.27 222.26 This is when you when you uh are scrolling the uh through the channels you can tell it to to skip th past channels that you quickly rather th 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 220.35 223.72 Ah yeah yeah an then you stop when you stop it stops. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 227.11 233.3 But normally with uh it will just uh s stay on each station briefly so you can see the the picture. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 224.6 225.03 Yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 225.03 227.11 Well when you stop scrolling the wheel it stops. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 227.23 227.98 Uh 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 231.39 231.76 Uh-huh. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 232.1 234.45 And we we do have one more functionality. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 234.45 240.57 If you take the banana as such and uh you press the turbo button, so it switch ons the switch ons the T. V. . 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 243.26 249.92 So rather than having uh an extra button for um for the on off switch you just use the turbo button. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 240.72 242.09 The T. V. yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 242.09 243.26 The s the turbo button. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 241.48 241.89 Which one? 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 242.3 243.01 The turbo button. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 243.35 243.84 Okay. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 244.9 245.58 Additional button. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 250.76 251.66 What this button for? 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 251.33 253.27 This is a teletext button. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 253.27 258.03 So once you press that then you get teletext and you can use the the channel selector scroll wheel as uh 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 252.93 253.18 Okay. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 258.58 260.5 To navigate it through th through teletext. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 258.79 262.3 But if you want to go to page seven hundred? 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 259.08 259.98 To navigate yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 259.36 260.38 That's right, that's right. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 263.58 263.77 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 264.68 265.95 with the wheel it's easy. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 264.98 265.31 How man 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 265.94 269.2 Well then you can you you have like a little uh number selection thing 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 269.2 279.2 you press the the the teletext button uh to move between uh the fields and then you can just scroll the number back and forth so you have s you go you scroll to seven and then 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 280.27 282.86 zero zero and then you can uh 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 284.85 288.02 Can you repeat it? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 283.86 284.85 I don't understand it. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 285.48 292.42 Well you can you can press press the teletext button and then you then you can you can f 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 290.26 290.48 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 290.37 294.17 So then then both the scroll buttons they are for teletext browsing. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 301.37 303.74 they are no more for channel or vol volume. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 295.52 301.37 And you can tele yeah, once you press the teletext button then the scroll buttons they are more for teletext 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 303.74 303.89 Yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 296.23 297.11 Ah okay okay. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 297.6 298.26 Okay okay. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 297.11 297.6 Okay. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 297.33 298.09 Mm uh 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 300.14 300.57 Okay. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 303.17 303.48 I see. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 304.33 304.58 Okay. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 303.48 303.75 I see. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 303.75 304.33 Okay. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 305.05 309.66 And this is the uh the infrared uh port. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 309.91 310.29 That's right. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 313.01 313.64 So. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 311.17 313.01 Also the top of the banana. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 313.64 321.22 And then we have in the uh in the base station we have the the button at the front for uh for calling the uh the banana. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 312.75 312.88 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 312.99 313.48 Excellent. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 319.19 319.55 Calling. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 321.58 321.68 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 321.77 322.16 Excellent. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 322.16 324.68 And the the leaves plays the roles of of antennas? 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 325.52 326.88 Actually they do. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 326.88 331.89 That's that's yeah that's uh that's form and function in the one in the one uh object. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 326.95 327.73 Oh. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 328.96 329.15 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 330.57 336.74 So it always means, whatever the rays goes by they they get reflected and then you are having a better coverage. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 336.74 337.77 It's like antennas. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 339.33 339.76 So. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 338.12 339.33 Yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 341.3 345.59 But yeah that's um that's just like that's an attractive um base station. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 345.89 347.06 Great. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 346.49 347.43 So. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 348.93 349.33 Okay. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 349.01 349.96 So, what else? 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 351.2 364.93 And for the power source we are having solar cells and rechargeable batteries and this and uh the basis station is going to have the input from the mm power line for for charging the batteries. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 365.02 366.72 Is it really weight? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 366.72 367.85 Is it light or 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 367.89 368.69 It is very light. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 368.9 369.95 Yeah, they're light. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 369.17 369.46 Okay. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 369.48 371.39 It's it's uh it's about the weight of a banana. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 372.76 373.01 Okay. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 373.43 375.04 You know, to give you the correct look and feel. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 376.44 382.23 And we have put these different colours so that people don't mistake them mistake it as a banana. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 375.44 376.44 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 382.23 385.36 Otherwise it's you know a child comes and so 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 375.55 376.04 Ok 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 382.12 382.37 Okay. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 383.4 384.33 Yeah yeah yeah, I see. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 384.33 385.3 I under I understand. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 385.97 388.5 I think a child would try to eat it anyway, so maybe we should 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 387.96 388.34 Yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 390.04 391.49 consider that. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 391.49 393.15 maybe health and safety aspects. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 393.04 393.34 Ah yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 393.58 393.9 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 394.98 396.54 Oh we didn't think of that yet. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 396.54 396.81 Yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 396.3 396.61 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 396.98 403.89 So for the power source, apparently you still you you want to use both solar cells and batteries. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 403.28 404.3 Oh yeah that's right. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 407.18 407.92 So 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 405.22 407.18 Uh you mean okay. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 407.18 411.01 I don't really know if the solar cells are actually necessary any more if you have a recharging base station. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 408.92 412.38 Yeah, where are going to where are you are you going to place them? 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 411.01 411.81 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 413.77 415.81 It'll It'll be always at top somewhere at there. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 415.67 424.38 If I was gonna place them I'd put them on the on the top here since that's like uh the black bit but yeah I don't I really don't think it's necessary to have the solar cells anymore. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 419.61 420.89 You have enough surface? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 420.89 421.34 You 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 423.88 428.45 Yeah because now we are having rechargeable batteries so that that is. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 428.93 429.31 Roughly? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 427.48 428.93 What will be the autonomy? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 426.26 427.48 Okay. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 426.55 426.63 Mm. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 430.22 430.76 The what sorry? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 430.88 431.63 The autonomy. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 434.3 434.98 Autonomy. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 435.81 436.31 What do you mean? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 437.01 441.67 Uh I mean how long does i how how how long can it be held off a station? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 437.13 439.87 How long the how long the bit the batteries long. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 439.21 439.4 Ah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 440.92 441.13 Ah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 442.63 443.21 A long time. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 443.56 444.55 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 444.55 446.48 A long 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 444.46 448.89 No no no, it can it should be weeks. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 444.53 446.22 Eight to ten eight to ten hours. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 448.25 450.9 N most no most of the time it's not being used. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 451.18 452.14 Yeah, so it's 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 452.08 456.92 Yeah but y people don't like to put it back in the base station all the time people leave wanna leave it on the couch so 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 452.1 453.83 So when when you are making it on 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 453.59 454.85 It's used only when you 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 455.21 455.56 Mm. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 456.69 457.48 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 457.48 460.18 No eight or eight or ten hours of working. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 460.18 462.43 If you are just leaving like that it'll be much longer. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 461.56 461.84 Okay. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 460.25 461.56 Ah, okay. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 463.04 463.63 F weeks. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 462.69 463.04 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 464.39 464.67 That's right. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 463.83 464.39 Yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 464.16 464.3 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 466.56 466.95 Right. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 468.42 468.87 Next slide? 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 469.51 469.66 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 475.99 480.6 Pricing is was a factor so that's why we have gone for a regular chip only not the advanced chip. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 473.37 475.99 And we are having the speakers regular chip for control. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 481.86 483.76 And uh that's it. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 487.76 493.95 Those really sounds very good. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 493.95 494.57 Nothing else to add? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 485.97 487.12 Okay. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 487.12 487.76 Okay. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 488.74 489.11 That's right. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 496.36 497.74 It seems to be falling over. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 497.12 498.49 I l yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 498.05 498.45 Yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 510.49 511.77 Looks a bit 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 499.92 500.92 I like I like it. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 500.92 510.49 Maybe the the thing that convince me the less is the the multifunctional buttons. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 513.79 515.65 You want to have more functional buttons? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 523.76 530.12 You the the b the buttons change h h their function depending if y it's teletext or not 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 519.6 523.76 Looks a bit puzzled uh I dunno how to say that. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 523.92 525.11 You are not convinced. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 528.04 530.54 Not not many, we we want to keep it simple. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 534.92 540.8 that usually there is a teletext button and once you press that, the channel buttons, they baco become the scrolling buttons. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 530.54 534.92 So that this button fo is for teletext which is usually also the case,
IS1004d H03 MIO047 541.48 543.97 And the volume button will will become 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 544.79 545.95 It's up to you, means. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 545.95 546.73 Now that 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 546.15 550.22 Well in fact b both will be could be useful, navigating through teletext. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 548.54 554.29 Means let's say this this can move the the larger digits and this can move the smaller digits. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 554.88 557.9 Or can move between positions in the in the number. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 556.35 556.66 That's right. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 560.01 562.04 Butto real buttons? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 557.2 560.01 And what about people who want to use digits? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 557.26 557.51 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 562.84 563.16 Wow. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 563.34 563.57 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 563.57 569.79 So there was there was a constraint that the surface area which we have on this banana on one side because of the shape. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 570.9 577.83 So we are targeting a segment which is which is just very trendy kind of thing, they they don't care about the buttons any more. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 579.72 580.39 Okay. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 580.39 583.58 Because have you thought about configuration and all this kind of uh stuff? 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 579.97 580.79 And anyway 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 584.12 584.9 It's all automatic. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 589.52 590.53 Okay yeah it's fine. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 585.14 588.62 It's all automatic. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 588.62 589.52 Okay. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 590.53 595.92 W we are living in a wonderful world. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 586.12 586.29 Yep. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 594.59 596.91 Bananas everywhere. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 596.91 599.15 Okay, so 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 590.08 594.59 Very good uh yeah you th yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 592.77 594.08 Uh. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 597.49 600.76 Automatically configure. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 602.44 605.04 So we have to go through now evaluations. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 604.17 605.29 Evalua yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 605.44 605.6 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 606.36 608.6 So your slides are ready? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 607.62 607.94 S 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 612.54 614.22 So this is one, which one is this one? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 610.52 612.54 Uh you're four I think. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 611.02 611.44 Yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 614.27 614.41 Yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 621.49 632.04 I I const I constructed a a list of criteria based on the on the general user requirements. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 632.04 640.49 And each criteria is will be evaluated it's uh logical criteria so we must 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 620.96 621.49 Okay. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 641.86 650.95 users must say i if it's true or is or if it's false in a in a scale ranging from zero to seven. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 652.03 654.24 Why this strange factor of seven? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 655.29 656.88 Because i 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 659.63 659.92 Sorry. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 658.64 659.63 I'm sorry. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 661.06 663.54 Usually I have seen that scales are from one to ten. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 661.81 664.24 It's from sorry, it's from one to seven. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 666.13 667.79 Because it should be an even 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 664.24 666.13 It's from from one to seven sorry. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 661.55 661.81 Ah yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 669 673.38 it should be an even uh scale, and five 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 669.06 669.43 Okay. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 670.63 672.04 Num number 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 670.65 671.68 Okay. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 671.68 671.98 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 675.6 677.05 is too short and nine is too long. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 677.42 677.75 Okay. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 678.68 681.55 I'm a I I'm 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 679.41 680.81 Okay fine, got the idea. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 680.93 688.03 So to have in order to have enough granularity it's in order to have enough granularity in the evaluation. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 682.93 683.19 Sorry? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 686.41 686.76 Yeah yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 688.29 688.52 Okay. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 703.07 705.67 And we all four could range 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 693.43 695.09 Okay. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 695.09 698.94 And that's the criteria I I found more useful. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 698.94 703.07 I think I sh I I could write the criteria in the on the whiteboard? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 688.37 691.71 The variance is mi it's is minimal. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 691.71 693.43 I'm um answering your question. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 689.99 690.87 Okay. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 690.37 691.66 Okay, okay, great. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 692.99 693.5 Okay. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 694.25 694.53 Go ahead. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 693.5 694.25 Yeah yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 703.03 703.22 Sure. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 702.67 703.03 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 706.48 707.31 Okay. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 708.48 708.64 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 707.31 708.48 Yeah yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 707.49 709 could evaluate the 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 709.04 709.32 Okay. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 719.43 720.53 So you can say fancy, 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 722.74 723.14 handy. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 730.87 731.21 Handy. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 731.35 734.45 Okay let's let's evaluate if it's fancy or 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 735.31 736.81 Yeah, it's fancy, according to me. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 737.54 740.01 Seven but 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 739.1 739.93 Yeah, six. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 741.52 741.79 Seven. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 741.79 742.49 Seven by me. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 741.59 742.7 S seven. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 742.7 743.07 Six. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 743.04 744.34 I would say seven. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 744.34 745.16 It's quite fancy. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 744.33 744.62 Okay. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 747.25 750.28 So you can add seven plus six plus seven plus 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 752.72 753.26 Five? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 750.34 751.54 No, wait. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 751.54 752.72 What do you say seven? 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 750.63 751.88 Yeah uh five. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 752.39 752.69 Five. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 752.98 757.12 Five, maybe maybe maybe six it's it's I guess it's yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 756.11 757.04 Okay, six point five. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 760.84 761.12 Handy? 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 766.22 767.11 Again I'll give seven. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 769.39 769.75 Seven. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 769.72 774.69 I'd give it a six like I'd I think it's probably more handy than my current remote 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 774.69 784.64 'cause of the scroll wheels but maybe loses the point for not having you know the extra buttons when you reall if you do need them for some reason but you know you can always use your other 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 770.93 771.61 Six. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 774.34 774.49 Yep. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 785.75 786.05 remote. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 786.5 788.73 So seven, seven, six, 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 787.57 788.16 Seven for me. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 788.77 789.02 Yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 789.28 789.74 Six. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 789.96 790.59 six point five. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 795.42 795.92 Functional. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 801.44 802.17 I'll give five. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 803.12 803.59 Four. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 803.16 806.08 I would say 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 809.65 813.39 or d does what it does, you know, can it make you coffee? 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 806.24 809.65 Well it depends when you say functional, do you mean it does what we want it to do,
IS1004d H03 MIO047 812.34 813.07 Everything ar 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 813.87 819.24 Uh for a remote control, does he have all the 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 814.66 814.89 You know. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 814.78 816.54 Mm everything 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 818.28 818.92 Yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 819.84 821.14 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 820.69 821.45 you could expect. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 820.69 822.32 It's compared to the all 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 824.65 825.06 That's right. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 823.54 824.65 That's right. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 824.11 824.85 remote controls. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 824.71 825.44 That's before 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 828.42 830.1 What is available in the market off the shelf. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 827.19 828.42 The standards. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 830.24 831.06 I have to say four. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 829.89 830.24 Yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 831.23 837.87 Actually I don't know what are the r the real specification of a of a universal remote contro 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 838.44 841.42 Remember we're focus we're supposed to focus just on T. V. s. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 836.77 838.44 Well it's not a universal remote. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 838.08 839.19 We 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 838.63 841.53 Ah it's not an univer but it's for all kind of T. V. s? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 842.23 842.37 Yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 843.14 846.22 Well all T. V. s but only T. only T. V. s I guess. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 846.04 847.92 So it's universal but for T. V. s. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 851.15 852.91 So s uh four? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 851.24 851.44 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 853.32 853.58 Five. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 854.02 855.14 Five? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 855.14 855.45 Four. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 854.51 854.79 Four. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 855.14 856.25 Four. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 856.25 856.53 Four. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 857.44 860.11 So four point two? 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 860.11 861.75 four. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 861.38 863.85 Obviously there are some outliers so 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 858.68 861.38 Just four. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 859.28 859.63 Four. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 861.21 861.61 So four? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 866.02 866.94 Cool device. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 863.07 866.02 Okay cool? 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 868.13 869.49 There I'll give it seven. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 872.28 874.51 It means cool features, like 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 875.68 876.75 new features actually. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 876.5 876.9 That's right. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 878.77 879.66 Which 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 885.18 888.07 And then the scroll buttons are again cool features. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 878.96 885.18 For a T. V. the most important feature which I felt was the locator which is a cool feature. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 888.07 889.53 We don't have L. C. D. for it but 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 891.16 893.29 that we decided we don't want to have. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 893.06 894.16 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 894.16 894.42 Seven. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 894.87 895.85 I would say five. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 895.62 896.38 I'll say five. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 896.63 897.76 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 897.76 898.01 Seven. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 896.85 897.17 Six. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 902.44 902.68 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 898.4 901.55 Plus six, I say I said seven. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 901.55 902.44 So it's six. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 899.17 899.33 Yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 901.77 902.73 S yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 901.79 904.2 You said seven? 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 903.93 905.55 'Cause it's five five seven seven so 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 905.77 906.09 Okay. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 906.82 909.42 Uh, okay, definitely easy to use. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 908.99 909.91 Definitely seven. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 910.52 910.84 Seven. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 912.47 912.79 Seven. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 914.53 915.45 Seven. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 915.45 915.73 And you? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 917.08 920.25 Five. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 917.16 918.89 Outl you are not lik outlier. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 918.89 920.47 Seven 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 921.76 925.05 Okay okay okay okay. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 922.23 923.99 Okay. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 923.51 924.68 Sorry, I have them 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 924.96 931.23 Alright, now here's the sixty million Dollar question, well, twenty five twenty five Euro question. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 931.85 934.92 Of course I'll buy the banana. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 936.96 938.05 What do you what do you guys reckon? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 937.27 942.02 Of cour Of course the most difficult question for the end. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 938.53 939.27 I'll say five. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 938.75 939.86 Well 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 941.37 942.14 I'll say five. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 941.41 941.56 Hmm. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 945.44 946.67 Twenty five Euros. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 948.64 953.06 Cheap. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 951.58 955.37 If i i it depends, if you live in in Switzerland or you live in 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 949.56 951.17 I find it quite cheap actually. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 951.17 951.58 I dunno. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 961.51 963.85 It's more targeting U. K. or 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 955.32 961.51 Yeah, so the target price is for all Europe, or only for rich countries? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 963.33 963.78 I don't know. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 963.78 967.87 Wha the initial specifications were for the whole all Europe or 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 968.63 969.87 Uh 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 969.14 971.72 So this is selling costs, not production costs. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 971.96 974.79 Yeah this is the the initial specifications. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 973.25 973.67 Yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 972.1 973.25 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 975.61 976.51 Um 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 974.39 975.61 Yeah yeah sure. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 979.74 980.03 Five. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 979.78 980.94 I would say six. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 980.94 981.98 It's quite cheap actually. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 984.96 989.72 I don't want a banana on my living room table, a banana remote. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 981.78 984.96 I'd say two. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 984.34 991.12 Aw, should be nice in your 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 984.36 984.68 Why? 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 993.8 994.33 And then 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 992.43 993.8 It's it's so handy. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 986.18 992.43 No but it's really handy actually if you see. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 992.37 997.18 It is handy, it's handy, but it it's terrible. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 997.18 998.13 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 995.76 997.62 It's kitsch. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 995.81 1001.44 Anyb anybody who comes here anybody who comes to your home he'll at least ask once what is this. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1002.02 1003.69 Yeah, but it's not a positive thing. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1003.92 1006.37 It's a very positive thing if you see like that. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1004.9 1009.29 Well, you know, it's it's handy, it's ergonomic, but it's a banana. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1007.49 1015.71 Well, don't forget well, don't for don't forget who we're targeting also who are f f who are wh yeah, youngst youngst 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1013.08 1013.83 Youngsters. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1013.51 1014.67 Actually maybe 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1013.92 1016.44 Yeah but it says I, I would buy this, so. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1016.55 1020.15 No well yeah I if you would be young. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1018.23 1019.23 Yeah 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1022.91 1024.85 Li li like a teenager for instance. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1021.6 1022.91 Not telling that you are young. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1026.99 1027.86 I would buy 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1022.46 1026.99 No, it's I. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1032.18 1032.51 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1026.98 1032.18 Okay you're you're crazy teenager and you like fun things. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1031.08 1032.2 You want to flaunt. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1032.2 1033.82 You with your girlfriend or something. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1033.65 1036.36 Yeah, you want to show the beautiful banana you have. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1035.01 1036.5 S s 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1035.83 1038.08 Or might be it does some other kind of thing but 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1039.44 1043.19 I don't think I at any stage in my life I would want a banana remote control, really. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1038.16 1039.44 Still I I'd say two. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1043.4 1044.97 Uh yeah, crazy. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1047.8 1049.53 So you say two. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1044.32 1047.8 Okay so you s you give oh yeah yeah I know I know. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1049.53 1050.99 F I d I say five. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1048.73 1048.89 Yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1044.63 1048.73 I can say, maybe there is a market for it, I dunno. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1048.83 1049.47 I say five. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1052.42 1052.76 You say? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1053.82 1055.58 I change the question. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1055.32 1059.13 So what's the new question? 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1058.36 1059.17 And you have saved it? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1060.68 1062.51 So yeah upload the 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1062.32 1063.22 You'll have to reload. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1063.54 1064.45 Uh yeah, I think so. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1072.51 1075.69 Okay, so, it depends if uh 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1075.78 1077.64 Yeah it's two different situations. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1077.64 1081.59 If you really need an universal remote control or if you 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1083.08 1085.55 would change your remote control for a n for a new one. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1085.68 1087 Yeah that's two different question. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1086.39 1089.03 If I had t if I had to spend twenty five Euro, 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1093.32 1096.49 Because the other twenty five Euro remote controls are probably gonna look 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1090.49 1093.32 if that was like my limit, maybe I would buy it. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1097.34 1098.53 They're not going to be as 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1097.58 1098.07 Ugly. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1097.61 1100.5 worse than a banana. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1099.65 1102.7 And they they might not be a as easy as this yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1101.78 1104.53 And it yeah this is gonna f you know handy to use. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1104.65 1104.86 Yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1107.7 1108.27 What range? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1106.91 1107.7 What now? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1106.56 1106.91 So? 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1107.08 1107.82 S 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1107.35 1108.22 I stick to five. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1108.79 1109.93 I go slightly up. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1109.93 1110.57 Six. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1109.24 1115.42 Although it still has it still has the word of course at the beginning so I dunno. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1115.42 1116.06 Um. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1110.86 1111.42 Six. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1117 1118.52 W we have six, five 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1117.42 1119.32 I'd give it I'd give it a 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1121.07 1124.06 Three So we are 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1121.28 1122.27 I give it a four now. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1124.74 1125.29 Six? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1121.79 1124.74 Six? 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1124.91 1126.19 Six, five, four. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1125.31 1126.52 six, five, four 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1126.83 1131.14 Six, so it's uh five point five, or less. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1131.18 1131.52 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1133.3 1134.05 So 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1142.35 1142.65 Okay. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1143.28 1148.4 So and last question, will I change my rem change my remote control from Mando banana. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1151.99 1154.63 No uh we can't. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1149.92 1151.99 Um, zero. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1154.63 1155.2 So one. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1157.66 1159.95 Actually yeah, I we 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1159.14 1161.03 Well if. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1162.52 1163.6 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1163.16 1164.58 No uh let's say I'll put two. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1171.64 1182.36 If it was change my remote control of my D. V. D. player for a Mando banana then I would be more inclined to but uh 'cause it's really bad but uh I'd say a three. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1165.63 1171.64 I'd say three, I mean my remote control is kinda at home is pretty terrible. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1177.6 1178.33 It's for the T. V. . 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1183.34 1184.68 I'll still give it five. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1185.27 1185.74 Five? 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1185.76 1185.95 Yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1189.67 1190.45 I would say two. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1187.11 1189.67 You are romantic, really. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1187.28 1192.15 Two three five two three fi and two. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1192.15 1192.58 So it's r 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1188.57 1194.22 So it's somewhere three point five I think. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1193.58 1196.6 Yeah, three point five. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1198.43 1199.35 Who is the outlier? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1199.35 1202.22 Wh wh you said five? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1200.44 1205.75 No no you say five, he is the outlier. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1202.65 1203.79 No I said five. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1207.48 1209.52 Okay just just do a sum. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1210.82 1213.08 I don't know if it's a 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1214.33 1215.8 It's not very promising but you know 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1216.58 1218.42 we're not young trendsetters. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1216.61 1221.44 No because there are more yeah, we shouldn't sum like that. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1222.69 1226.72 Well maybe we should we should uh have a look globally glob 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1229.89 1231.8 Otherwise we wouldn't we will not sell. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1225.24 1229.89 Because the the last two questions is much more important than the rest actually. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1229.67 1229.97 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1231.05 1235.84 Is there some some formula you're using that says you have to sum them up? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1235.34 1239.22 Uh no I didn't anything. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1237.59 1239.53 Well just leave it at that then. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1240.53 1240.82 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1241.15 1241.63 Oops. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1241.7 1242.72 Yeah, the uh 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1242.17 1246.41 So maybe maybe w we can we should stick to general feeling. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1246.41 1253.22 We can had uh have a out of these numbers, which which is that well we should go for it. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1246.22 1246.66 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1257.32 1260.59 Problem with connectors? 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1257.55 1259.68 Do you want me to sum o I think it's not 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1258.55 1262.14 Yeah it's it's funny. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1258.97 1259.88 No. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1259.88 1263.6 I think it it kind of you just lose information if you sum it, so. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1276.48 1281.23 So I prepare an Excel sh uh an Excel sheet. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1281.23 1286.05 Um well we are going to calculate the production costs. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1265.09 1268.71 So let's move uh let's move on. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1268.71 1276.48 Okay, now now we have to mm to estimate uh the cost okay. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1263.2 1265.09 Okay. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1286.05 1289.77 We should we should be below twelve point five. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1267.24 1267.7 Yeah, sure. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1310.77 1316 Uh and also things that I uh I d I forget to uh to put like solar cells. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1291.99 1298.5 So I already uh put some pu some numbers here, okay. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1298.5 1305.86 We are going to go through so this is the number the mm number of components we need for this thing. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1305.86 1310.77 So it appears that there were things that we didn't thought about. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1316.48 1316.78 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1316.8 1318.78 Well we decided against the solar cells so 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1318.87 1320.66 Oh yeah finally we say no. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1324.62 1325.89 So hand dynamo. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1325.89 1327.21 This something we didn't thought about. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1320.66 1324.62 Okay so let's let's go let's go let go through all the lines. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1318.87 1321.56 Solar cells, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, we said no to that. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1328.47 1328.94 But 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1328.68 1330.7 You mean, charging it by shaking the banana. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1330.68 1331.24 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1336.85 1337.79 To bring the cost 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1336.44 1336.85 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1332.9 1336.44 I think rechargeable batteries will take care of the power thing. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1336 1337.1 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1337.1 1339.82 Okay so we we stick to battery, one. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1340.36 1340.57 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1341.12 1342.12 No kinetic also. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1342.12 1344.8 I don't I don't see the difference between kinetic and dynamo. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1349.16 1351.98 Well maybe dynamo is like you have to actually 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1352.34 1358.51 Ah you have to ah okay I see so kinetic is really uh shaking the banana. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1360.78 1363.38 So those banana is falling. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1359.45 1360.78 Okay. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1358.51 1359.45 Crazy. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1355.19 1355.8 S 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1357.19 1357.36 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1357.49 1357.71 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1361.13 1367.7 Okay. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1370.96 1375.59 Uh then for electronics um so I didn't put anything for the. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1366.71 1367.21 Let's go ahead. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1367.21 1370.96 So we we st only have one for battery. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1375.43 1378.75 So we have the regular chip on the print, which is one. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1377.41 1378 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1379.14 1379.55 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1379.9 1380.61 And that's it. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1380.85 1382.04 Okay. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1382.04 1383.12 No so we hin 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1386.87 1387.54 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1385.96 1386.87 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1383.31 1385.96 And we have sample speaker. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1387.54 1388.86 the cost of that is very high. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1391.26 1392.02 So we are 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1385.42 1388.64 Yeah so one. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1388.64 1391.26 Ooh ye ye ye the cost is increasing. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1402.37 1403 So 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1391.15 1395.55 Well actually that that no that sample speaker is not we we're not using that,
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1395.55 1402.37 we're just using the the very beep simple beep, that s that sample thing is like the voice recording and everything. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1396.66 1397.11 The beep. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1398.4 1398.7 Uh-huh. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1399.57 1399.98 That's what 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1400.89 1401.24 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1401.24 1401.55 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1401.78 1403.08 Okay so I'll remove it. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1403.81 1404.72 I say that 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1403.56 1403.81 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1404.06 1404.24 S 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1406.48 1406.74 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1408.21 1409 And we have sev 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1408.62 1410.73 So don't we need a 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1418.29 1418.68 So 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1414.26 1418.29 Oh there is no listing for r radio frequency thing. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1418.31 1422.15 So we we'll put some extras, if there is something. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1417.54 1418.31 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1422.38 1423.34 We'll see later. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1421.39 1422.38 Yeah maybe. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1423.34 1425.56 Okay so in for the case um 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1422.64 1422.87 Mm. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1426.28 1428.01 I put single curved. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1427.77 1428.49 Okay. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1428.49 1430.08 To reduce the cost, it's okay. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1429.5 1435.71 Well, wait a second, no, it's it's double curved, it's got a c, it's uh 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1432.47 1433.47 Because we have two things. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1435.03 1441.01 Oh it's got all the directions so don't worry. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1435.67 1437.84 No. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1438.47 1442.06 Well d yeah it's monotonic but 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1442.32 1443.76 It's got a direction. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1444.33 1445.63 it's got but if you hold it 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1446.77 1449.34 if you hold it that way that's two curved, 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1451.01 1453.87 one on this side, one on that side, but they're opposite sides. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1453.16 1453.87 Well. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1458.39 1459.34 Actually what's the differen 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1458.52 1460.64 What a what i if I put one here. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1458.86 1460.09 This is actually I mean this probably 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1461.57 1464.44 this probably actually costs more than three if you 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1463.67 1469.07 Yeah so let's put one here in the then instead of single oka all right. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1469.07 1471.15 So we stick to plastic, it cost nothing. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1467.34 1467.63 Okay. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1466.79 1467.34 Okay. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1468.4 1468.57 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1470.53 1471.28 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1471.28 1471.65 That's right. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1471.91 1474.32 Well no didn't we say we wanted to do a rubber 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1474.32 1476.12 No, it's too no. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1476.95 1478.84 Too expensive. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1476.97 1477.8 if you drop it? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1478.06 1479.13 It's too expensive. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1481.11 1484.01 Well we we'll come back we'll come back and see if we can fit it in. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1480.22 1481.11 Well when okay. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1480.52 1481.6 We're already at eleven. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1484.26 1485.5 Okay so I put rubber one. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1487.7 1491.96 Okay so special colour, yellow. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1491.96 1494.73 Uh for the interface we have 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1490.74 1491.05 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1495.03 1496.49 We don't have any push buttons. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1496.27 1497.42 No, we have two push buttons. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1497.57 1498.3 We have three. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1498.29 1500.98 No that is a scroll wheel itself, it'll be put in that. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1499.66 1499.92 Huh. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1501.49 1502.25 No no. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1502.25 1505.47 We have two scroll, and we have three push buttons. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1502.96 1503.94 Ah okay, okay. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1503.93 1503.96 Uh. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1505.32 1506.03 Okay, okay. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1509.55 1515.54 Actually whe whe when you wrote regular chip you should put two, because there is another chip here. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1509.58 1511.03 Okay it's gonna have to be plastic. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1509.84 1510.47 And 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1517.36 1519.2 This is just radio frequency. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1519.2 1520.55 Th This is no chip. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1516 1517.36 No it's no chip. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1519.19 1519.39 Yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1519.87 1520.4 Yeah but 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1525.33 1528.51 And the receiver accepts it and that's it. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1521.54 1523.09 There's no chip there. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1523.09 1525.33 It just emits the signal. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1520.72 1521.54 No. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1521.49 1522.11 you need 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1525.06 1526.28 It's just 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1527.76 1528.04 Yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1528.18 1529.72 Fo i it does nothing actually? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1529.89 1530.71 No. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1530.71 1532.35 Just only. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1530.67 1532.19 Just se sends the signal, that's it. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1532.65 1534.17 It's a recharger thing and uh 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1535.27 1539.76 Okay w we didn't think a thought about uh integrated scroll wheel push buttons. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1541.21 1542.88 Well I actually did um 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1543.94 1555.74 think about it myself but I thought you know because you could potentially you know you could be pushing it down as you scroll it for a instead of a turbo button but you know the turbo button does add that extra class. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1552.73 1554.23 Yeah, so 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1555.89 1556.45 Yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1557.16 1558.22 You know. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1558.22 1562.67 So I mean if we're if we're over budget then maybe we could we could rethink that. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1564.29 1565.23 So no L. C. D., 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1563.78 1564.29 Okay. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1566.66 1569.74 so for we have no button supplements, right? 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1570.04 1570.2 No. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1569.38 1570.04 Yep. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1571 1573.12 Uh 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1574.17 1579.05 well in fact could we could not we consider this button as a button supplement because oh no,
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1585.16 1585.61 So 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1579.05 1585.16 these are these are for colours, co and special forms, special colours and special materials. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1582 1582.13 Yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1584.08 1587.5 No we're not we don't need anything special for the buttons. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1586.63 1588.07 Okay so we are over budget. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1588.72 1591.47 So first thing which we should take care of is, 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1588.42 1588.72 Yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1592.51 1594.74 Make it plastic instead of rubber. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1594.74 1598.25 And then we're basically o on budget except for you know ten cents. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1592.75 1594.89 instead of rubber, let it be plastic. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1593.99 1594.44 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1599.15 1602.99 And uh that much money will be required for the base station, which is not there. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1603.51 1603.7 Yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1604.96 1606 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1608.19 1610.47 So mayb in fact n we have to put two here 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1613.41 1614.37 because it cost nothing. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1616.14 1621.94 Yeah well pl the base station is made out of m many units of plastic. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1616.19 1617.67 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1619.54 1620.81 That's right. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1620.81 1626.77 So might be ninety centimes for the the remaining things which the cord and everything which'll go 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1626.02 1628.65 Exactly exactly so we have margin for that stuff. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1628.73 1629.18 That's right. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1629.04 1633.05 Does that include charging circuitry and everything? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1631.93 1632.44 Yeah maybe. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1634.07 1634.49 Okay good. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1635.28 1635.42 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1635.7 1635.91 Wha 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1637.7 1638.04 Excellent. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1640.64 1642.12 So what do we do with the extra profits? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1642.32 1646.28 Um we'll invest in R. and D. . 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1647.24 1648 The next fruit. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1646.06 1647.24 Okay. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1649.52 1653.6 So well we're under the the the cost. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1653.6 1658.75 So we can go to through to project evaluation. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1648.44 1649.52 Yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1666.28 1667.69 Would yeah, would buy. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1662.48 1666.28 Okay so now we have a product which nobody would would buy. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1668.86 1669.25 Sorry? 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1669.27 1672.86 No we have a product which none of us would buy. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1669.58 1672.97 Yeah because th th the evaluation project 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1673.43 1674.27 Which is different. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1671.35 1673.43 Which is different. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1674.27 1675.14 None of us will buy it. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1680.95 1682.22 We're not in Milan or Paris. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1675.11 1679.83 No it's people in in in Milan and uh in Paris that are gonna buy it. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1679.83 1680.95 We're n yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1678.65 1679.76 Ah would buy, yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1679.76 1680.61 Massively, yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1682.66 1682.91 Okay. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1682.33 1682.66 Yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1684.46 1690.71 Uh you have been in Milan a couple of times, so. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1690.71 1693.19 And you said the lowest. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1687.84 1688.94 Actually there were a lot of 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1688 1690.66 This is a battery. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1693.76 1695.52 This is what we which you can mm 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1693.99 1694.26 S 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1695.79 1696.72 Detachable battery. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1696.4 1698.43 That's 'cause I'm sick of Milan. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1696.84 1697.74 It did yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1697.34 1698.64 Yeah, for the batteries 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1698.79 1699.69 Extra battery, yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1700.17 1704.73 Okay so um project process. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1701.2 1701.77 Exac 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1709.2 1715.3 Well in fact I I did not know I didn't know really what to say here. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1715.3 1719.25 If uh if you have any ideas of what we can we can say. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1719.25 1719.55 So 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1720.79 1722.41 I don't I don't I don't understand what 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1723.56 1727.73 what they mean by satisfaction um and for and for example. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1731.76 1734.57 Should it be more like um like a status of 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1735.64 1737.64 of the these meetings in fact. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1738.6 1738.88 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1739.2 1744.71 Yeah well in fact uh we we use a little bit the white board and the digital pen, not that much. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1745.6 1747.55 I dunno I think we had a fair bit of creativity. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1747.99 1750.11 Oh yeah it's really creative. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1750.33 1762.42 And uh but I think one thing we m missed out of this whole process was a um like a focus group with the actual people we're targeting. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1762.42 1769.55 We needed some of these kind of young trendsetters to come in and play with the banana and you know see if they 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1764.94 1765.53 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1770.09 1770.69 They like that. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1770.9 1771.62 see if they like it. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1771.79 1772.32 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1772.02 1775.06 Yeah maybe we should go through, yeah an uh evaluation. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1776.04 1778.99 Because yeah the evaluation for us is is kind of 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1779.98 1780.57 Biased. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1780.02 1780.56 pointless. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1780.72 1783.95 So maybe you should we should do a kinda evaluation 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1785.18 1790.35 in the streets like asking to young peoples well, do you like to have a banana as a remote control. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1788.64 1789.06 Yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1795.97 1799.17 to see you know how to how to market this thing. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1790.91 1795.97 Because it it would also be interesting to uh you to know find out if we have a market in really young children as well 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1790.95 1791.13 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1799.36 1799.67 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1799.81 1799.95 Yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1815.69 1816.57 Might have to draw a face on it. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1800.24 1812.14 'Cause you know if well I mean maybe you don't wanna give all your kids their own remote because they'll be changing the channel all the time but you know maybe in some households where there is you know a T. V. for each kid,
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1812.14 1815.69 then you know, banana remote control could be fun for them as well. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1815.7 1815.98 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1818.76 1824.86 So but I think that's something we need to to work on next time is really finding out more about the target 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1826.23 1826.62 market. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1828.02 1828.2 Yep. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1829.38 1834.85 Any any new ideas we could uh we could investigate next time? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1834.85 1836.01 Dunno, oranges? 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1842.02 1847.24 Because I think it's just the optimal, what we have done for the cost which we are looking forward to. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1837.6 1842.02 The cost of the thing can be made more than might be. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1837.33 1837.6 Yeah. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1848.54 1851.1 I think there are ways we could maybe simplify the 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1848.39 1848.54 Yeah. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1851.94 1852.63 Interface. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1852.72 1859.03 Well just the the the circuit board that we're using inside, I'm not sure really how complicated our um 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1852.75 1853.29 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1856.73 1857.24 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1860.28 1861.01 our needs are. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1861.01 1866.67 I mean all we have is two push buttons and two scrollers, do we really need an integrated circuit to 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1867.52 1867.67 Hmm. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1868.09 1869.22 you know to process that. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1868.58 1869.33 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1868.2 1868.58 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1869.33 1869.66 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1870.98 1875.17 So more general remote control instead of just focusing on uh on T. V. . 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1876.7 1877.43 That's right. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1876.82 1879.52 The complexity shouldn't be much higher. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1879.94 1880.14 Yeah. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1882.12 1886 For you said if it good for D. V. D. then I would 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1894.74 1902.89 is the ability to you know to control things other than the T. V. and not just electronic equipment but you know the whole environment of the room. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1885.48 1890.39 And also fo you know for mood lighting and and stuff, that would be rather cool. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1890.39 1894.74 I think that's actually something that should be in version two 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1896.62 1897.42 Integrate. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1900.01 1900.33 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1907.24 1907.58 Very good. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1905.62 1907.24 Okay. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1909.01 1909.77 So 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1909.2 1910.27 So 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1911.67 1912.31 What else? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1913 1913.98 Well done. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1913.98 1915.84 I think we we can go 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1914.03 1914.52 Okay. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1917.86 1919.1 Happily satisfied. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1916.25 1917.86 Home? 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1919.38 1922.46 Maybe maybe we can hassle the the 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1918.75 1919.38 Yeah. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1917.16 1918.75 home. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1923.96 1929.83 production department to to make a a real prototype that we can use at home to to evaluate. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1929.78 1930.05 Mm-hmm. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1934.9 1935.12 Bye. 
IS1004d H00 MIO019 1932.3 1934.9 Okay so thanks very much. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1932.68 1933.07 Yep. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1935.2 1935.91 Thank you. 
IS1004d H01 MIE090 1934.52 1935.2 Okay. 
IS1004d H02 MIO022 1934.57 1935.1 Thank you. 
IS1004d H03 MIO047 1935.73 1935.9 Bye. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 28.58 30.96 Now what. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 60.13 65.25 Uh, I guess you all know what is it about, you all received the email, I guess. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 72.62 77.54 So I'm going to be the project manager of this uh project. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 58.41 60.13 'Kay, hello everybody. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 65.25 72.62 Uh, we are actually doing this meeting to start a new project which is about designing a remote control. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 78.34 80.79 And uh so I'm present myself. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 80.79 87.65 I'm Fabien Cardinaux and uh I I guess you can present yourself. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 88.53 90.13 So I dunno, you can starts. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 90.1 91.81 Okay, so my name is Petre. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 91.81 94.91 You can call me Petre, or Peter if you like. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 94.91 96.04 I don't care. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 95.76 95.97 Okay. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 99.63 101.28 Oh, sorry. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 97.48 99.63 Uh my name's Bob Mor. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 99.31 99.88 In the project? 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 98.63 99.31 And you are? 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 99.56 102.41 Uh, in the project I'm supposed to be the technic. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 105.08 107.23 So my name's Bob Morris. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 104.28 105.08 'Kay. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 110.87 111.66 Bob yeah. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 107.23 110.87 I'm the Marketing Expert for this project. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 110.26 111.76 Bob, okay. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 112.53 119.44 My name is Hamed Getabdar, and uh I'm going to be Interface Designer in this project. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 123.71 124.06 Okay. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 131.94 138.28 So, uh, so today we are doing a short meeting to present the project, so um 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 154.54 158.15 So we have around twenty five minutes to do this meeting. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 139.56 145.55 We are gooding we are going to present the tool we are we are going to use during all this project. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 145.55 154.54 We are talking about the project plan, and we are going to to discuss about st our first ideas and so on, and, yeah. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 160.61 162.13 Um. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 162.13 163.83 So what is the goal of this project? 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 175.42 178.33 That mean it's a very challenging project, and uh 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 167.24 175.42 So it should be, of course, new and original, and um it should be trendy, and user friendly. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 163.83 167.24 Is to design a new remote control. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 180.62 188.52 So w it's we will try to do our best, and hopefully come with something very new and that 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 180.12 180.62 uh. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 189.67 190.6 people want to buy. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 192.61 194.17 So, um 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 205.05 219.45 So it's more like we are going to do inv individual work all in o in o our specialities and we are going to meet each other quite often to discuss and to find a good way. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 199.54 205.05 So what's uh what are we going to do during this all this project? 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 221.02 221.57 Um. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 231.97 234.6 Yeah and everything is will be like this. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 256.33 266.72 For example we can try to write what is our our favourite animal and write the f our favourite characteristics about it. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 248.2 252.32 So we can try to use uh the whiteboard here. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 237.71 248.2 Um so now we are going to to get used t to to the tools we are going to use all during all this project. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 252.32 256.33 So uh. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 252.41 252.76 Okay. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 269.13 269.52 Mm. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 279.33 280.94 Uh. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 280.94 282.31 So uh 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 313.63 317.08 Just to get used to the whiteboard. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 310.27 313.63 So I will ask you all to do the same. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 312.86 313.97 Okay. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 322.44 324.58 Well sh should I draw the picture of the animal? 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 317.31 322.44 So probably I would try to try to draw the animal. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 324.58 326.17 I I th I think I should. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 325 328.3 Yeah, yeah, you can draw the picture, of course. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 325.17 326.73 Yeah go ahead. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 328.72 330.04 Okay, so. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 334.62 339.88 Um. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 349.78 350.78 Um. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 350.78 352.11 I would use the bird. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 342.63 349.78 Okay, American, um. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 354.81 356.34 So I tried to sketch it out. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 359.09 367.6 I had to first uh write it down because I am not absolutely sure if I can draw it, but ah. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 371.27 373.36 Can you recognise it as a bird? 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 376.29 378.36 Okay it's your turn to 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 376.96 379.56 Okay, okay. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 387.33 394.2 So I think my favourite animal would be a c a cat. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 401.43 401.65 Oh. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 409.82 415.9 Um I probably like cats the most because they're cuddly and furry and uh playful. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 408.46 409.82 That's its head. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 418.06 418.51 Okay. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 422.26 426.86 I dunno if I should go with this. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 423.42 424.28 Oh it's okay. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 424.37 428.43 Thanks. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 428.78 433.68 If it is enough line. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 433.68 434.79 I'm sorry. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 430.96 436.68 Maybe put it up Put it a Maybe put it on the desk or something. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 437.22 438.04 Yeah. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 446.38 448.81 Oh just wait a little bit. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 453.85 454.73 Ah probably not. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 448.81 453.85 C could we put it here, to make it as straight as possible? 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 441.89 446.38 I should get used to the tool, so. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 444.73 446.93 Okay. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 454.84 458.53 They should be remote. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 457.44 459.15 Okay, it it works like this. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 457.67 458.8 Uh, that's better. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 459.33 459.99 Okay, thanks. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 461.07 462.8 Your lapel microphone's fallen off. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 467.28 469.35 Are you left-handed? 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 469.35 472.68 Oh, pity. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 468.7 468.9 No. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 470.92 472.2 Okay. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 472.2 475.71 Should I clean? 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 480.98 490.85 Okay, I think like horses uh because they are strong and beautiful, so if I want to write it here, I think I can. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 494.56 498.15 Oh. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 497.4 498.56 Never mind. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 498.05 500.42 Ah, it's maybe better if you leave it. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 498.15 499.34 Yeah. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 503.53 505.02 Yeah, don't worry about it. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 501.47 503.53 Maybe we should just continue. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 500.86 501.47 Yeah. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 503.08 503.26 Yeah. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 505.77 506.75 ,0 no worry. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 506.21 506.65 No. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 539.91 541.12 Okay. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 541.33 542.41 You won't draw them, or? 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 541.96 546.6 You can draw it, if you want. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 550.1 556.29 It may be like a cow or I dunno, whatever. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 564.41 566.79 I dunno what is it. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 547.54 550.1 Okay. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 556.29 559.41 I'm not good very good in drawing. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 559.41 564.41 Okay, so this is very It's a bird, I think. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 543.59 547.54 I dunno if I can. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 546 546.41 Just try. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 546.41 549.04 I would like to see how it looks like. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 567.14 568.11 No, I think it's clear. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 572.3 573.58 Four. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 575.49 575.84 Okay. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 577.7 578.14 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 584.44 585.74 Mm. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 596.67 597.37 Okay. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 588.05 596.67 I'm shameful Yeah. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 587.14 588.05 Yeah. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 589.24 591.41 Oh that's good, it's good. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 589.75 590.17 It's okay. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 590.17 592.53 It's in it's indeed beautiful. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 590.69 590.9 Good. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 592.92 596.42 Yeah, and strong. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 598.39 599.57 Okay. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 604.39 605.39 Bob. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 605.39 606.67 Have to remember it. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 608.33 609.49 Bob. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 626.4 634.05 And uh our expected profit will be around fifty million Euro. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 615.87 626.4 Uh we are going to to sell we want to sell uh this remote control for twenty five Euro Euro. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 609.11 615.87 So good um So, let's talk about money. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 635.41 641.6 And uh we are trying to to have a market all around the world. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 643.11 646.4 So n not only for Switzerland, but for the world. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 647.91 648.22 Uh. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 649.69 650.76 So, um. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 652.35 656.51 The We expect a production cost of maximum 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 658.06 660.81 uh twelve point fifty Euro. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 663.93 665.5 Per unit, I guess. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 665.5 666.32 Y oh okay. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 665.03 667.29 Yeah, of course. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 682.16 693.1 So, if you have some experience, good or bad, with remote controls you can share it and say what you f what is your idea. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 671.54 682.16 Um, so we can start today to have a first idea of what we want to do what are our experiments with remote control, and any idea? 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 693.1 693.5 Anything. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 696.91 697.15 Okay. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 723.2 727.96 mostly, you know, f four or f six buttons. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 697.12 705.09 Well, from experience, um I've had remote controls in the past that have had very they've had lots and lots of buttons and they've been very small 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 708.54 717.93 because there's so many buttons, and you know it's very hard to see which buttons do what, and the buttons are very small and very hard to press. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 727.96 728.41 Um. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 717.93 723.2 Um and and normally you only every use, you know, on a T. V. remote you only ever use,
IS1005a H03 MIE002 705.09 708.54 and it's been very hard to to to use,
IS1005a H00 MIO055 725.54 725.87 Mm. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 726.23 726.94 Oh. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 730.56 733.17 So it's frustrated me in the past, th that. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 737.66 738.73 Maybe two points. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 755.09 761.67 And maybe it could be also dependant on the the amount of of light in the room,
IS1005a H01 MIO077 761.67 768.63 so that if if it's in the day it doesn't need to be back lighted because it works on the battery, so. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 768.63 769.78 So something like this. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 744.66 755.09 so if you are if you are uh playing with this in the dark room it's it's probably worth to to have something like uh back light. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 735.58 737.66 Okay, I have also some points uh. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 738.73 744.66 Uh first would be that in current remote controls there is no back light 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 748.48 748.77 Yeah. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 769.89 779.97 And the second thing, f second point from me would be that in a normal remote control there is uh there are two buttons for volume control. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 779.97 783.26 But I prefer like a potential-meter or something like. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 780.1 780.53 Yeah. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 783.96 785.38 Ah, okay. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 785.38 785.81 Okay. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 785.51 791.66 You know, some slider or Not just two discrete buttons for volume, but something which 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 787.09 787.55 Okay. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 787.68 788.11 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 788.13 789.42 Okay, n 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 791.95 792.29 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 792.93 797.25 Is that because the of the discrete volume levels, or is that 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 793.33 793.53 Yeah. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 797.35 803 Yeah, but I can reach In uh one second I can mute it down, or or make a high volume. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 800.94 812.15 Are you not afraid that if you take your remote control you can move the slide and it could the the volume can go up very quickly and it can 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 801.43 801.64 Yeah. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 808.29 809.87 Ah, n. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 811.66 815.09 If it drops to the floor then it starts to scream. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 813.38 817.33 Yeah, also if y when you take the the remote control, for example on the table,
IS1005a H00 MIO055 817.33 821.55 you take it and you push the button and everything is very loud, and 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 822.3 828.23 Yeah, f It depends what what you feel about that. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 823.32 824.65 you have a heart attack. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 829.46 829.75 Okay. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 829.49 829.74 Yeah. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 833.36 840.08 Yeah but we can we can think of these things afterwards, but if you have some more notes on that. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 838.59 840.76 Yeah so you can Do you have something? 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 838.7 842.62 Uh I Yeah, just a simple experience. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 847.81 858.41 because remote control working with infra-red rays you should you should you should keep it in a specific direction and then try it hard to tune. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 842.62 847.81 I uh I prefer um remote control working with radio waves 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 851.18 852.67 Yeah, that's true. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 856.5 858.65 Yeah without obstacles and. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 859.51 860.12 Okay. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 872.39 874.98 Um. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 867.75 872.39 I have a meeting in five minutes, so maybe we should hurry. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 874.98 878.56 So we will close uh this meeting. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 878.56 882.28 So we will have a next meeting in uh thirty minutes. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 867.16 867.75 Let's continue. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 866.25 867.16 Okay. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 866.67 868.25 Um. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 870.39 870.64 Okay. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 872.03 873.29 Okay, just a second. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 884.06 885.52 Um. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 889.89 893.49 The So I will ask you to do some work. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 893.49 904.44 Uh the the interface interface developer will work on the on the design of the remote control, start to to have new idea and 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 888.95 889.89 Uh. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 906.08 906.39 Okay. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 904.63 906.08 Which i which is Hamed,? 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 905.73 907.2 read about Yeah. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 906.05 906.31 Mm. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 907.98 909.02 No, you're the Industrial Designer. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 906.88 907.98 He's the Industrial Designer? 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 909.2 910.02 Yeah. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 909.37 912.46 Uh I am the Technical Designer, I dunno which one, uh v. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 910.48 910.68 Oh. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 912.56 913.45 I. D. . 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 915.04 917.42 And the second one is the User Interface Designer. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 911.04 912.56 Yeah, I think that's the first. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 913.45 915.04 Industrial Designer. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 911.68 912.93 Industry and Oh. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 912.31 912.5 Uh-huh. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 917.7 918.17 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 919.21 920.24 User Interf Okay. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 919.52 921.68 And then last one's marketing, which is me. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 921.4 921.54 Yeah. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 921.97 923.5 Okay, so I'm the first one. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 922.77 924.12 So, um 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 925.88 930.38 For the User Interface Designer, which is Hamed um, 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 929.16 929.61 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 932.5 936.88 uh, you are going to work on the technical functions of the remote control. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 933.14 933.73 I see. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 936.89 937.3 Okay. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 938.58 941.15 And for the Marketing uh 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 942.33 946.48 Manager, I dunno, okay, which is Bob, uh 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 949.59 958.21 you are going to try to to find the user requirements f uh for the remote control. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 959.72 969.74 Um, you will receive by email uh the specific instructions and uh by your personal coach. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 971.04 971.88 Sign. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 973.41 974.65 Yep finished. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 976.15 978.3 So I see you in thirty minutes. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 980.29 980.84 Bye. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 978.32 979.76 Great, okay. 
IS1005a H03 MIE002 979.76 980.29 Thanks guys. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 979.24 979.75 Okay. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 981.01 981.24 Bye. 
IS1005a H02 MIO076 979.73 981.01 Okay, thanks. 
IS1005a H00 MIO055 981.97 982.34 Thank you. 
IS1005a H01 MIO077 983.94 984.34 Uh. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 42.02 43.38 Uh. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 43.38 44.51 So, uh. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 37.52 42.02 So um nice to see you again. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 47.79 51.78 Tod uh for this meeting I will take the notes and do the minutes. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 53.13 57.33 Uh so we will see our three presentations. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 58.75 73.97 Um we will start with the uh Manager Expert wi who will talk about uh user re requirements, whats user needs and what it desire for this devi device. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 75.52 79.08 Okay, can I have the laptop over here, or? 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 79.08 79.59 Okay. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 79.59 82.39 Have to get up. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 77.93 78.79 Oh, I don't think so. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 78.79 80.31 I think you have to come here. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 77.19 77.93 Yep. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 81.56 81.9 I dunno. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 83.83 84.85 I think it should stay. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 84.65 89.2 Excuse me. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 89.2 89.79 Okay. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 85.72 86.77 Yeah, that's it. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 92.7 96.53 Should stay in the square here. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 94.44 94.92 Okay. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 105.58 106.02 Oh, maybe. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 117.68 126.77 Okay, so basically I'm gonna present some findings of a study we conducted uh into uh what users want in this remote control. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 126.77 137.08 Um so first of all we what we did is we um conducted a an experiment with a hundred test subjects. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 146.97 155.8 after they'd done that, to complete a questionnaire uh to tell us what they like and what they don't like in remote controls. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 137.08 146.97 Um we put them in a in our um usability laboratory and got them to, you know, um play with remote controls, and also to complete,
IS1005b H00 MIO055 122.05 123.05 Oh that's okay, it's jus 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 119.92 122.05 Oh, you can put it here. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 195.1 196.58 Um and 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 156.35 168.09 So basically um the major things we found out was that um basically users don't like the look and feel of of most remote controls that are currently on the market. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 178.6 179.75 Completely ugly. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 174.42 178.6 found that rem remote the remote controls that they'd used in the past were ugly. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 179.75 189.74 Um they they didn't match the operating behaviour of the user, that is, you know, the the way users use remote controls when they're watching T. V. . 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 189.74 195.1 Um, that the layout of the remote controls didn't match they way that they used it. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 168.09 174.42 Um they, you know, seventy five percent of the people we we uh did the experiments on 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 198.34 208.78 thirdly they say that w half of the users that we um tested said that they only used ten percent of the buttons that uh are on remote controls. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 208.78 219.18 Um so we collect we also some collected some usage statistics uh based on how these test subjects were using their remote control. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 219.18 223.18 And from this we basically came up with the figure that 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 224.52 232.7 the channel buttons, the channel selection buttons are the most by far the most used buttons on the remote control. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 232.7 239.72 Um and you can see they're used a hundred and sixty eight times per hour on average, um, while the user's watching T. V. . 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 248.55 254.74 um which was used fourteen times per hour, followed by the volume button, which was four times per hour, um, 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 239.72 248.55 Um the closest button that was used, well the cl the button that was used that was closest to the channel button was the teletext button,
IS1005b H03 MIE002 274.97 279.25 you know, which which buttons they felt were the most important buttons on on the remote control. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 264.95 269.47 you know, l approx well less than or equal to one times per hour. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 269.47 274.97 Um we also asked users um which buttons had the most importance to them,
IS1005b H03 MIE002 256.45 264.95 all the other, all the other um buttons, such as ch um audio and picture selection um configuration buttons and things were used,
IS1005b H03 MIE002 288.82 297.83 it only had a b a a fr usage frequency of about one times per hour, but users ranked it as having a very very high relevance. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 309.61 311.55 and they used them very infrequently a as well. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 279.58 288.82 And basically they came they said the channel, volume, and power buttons had the highest relevance to users, um note that only power was very infrequently used,
IS1005b H03 MIE002 297.83 309.61 Um and the audio and picture settings had a very that well the users thought that um w the audio and picture settings were very uh weren't very important to them um 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 313.02 322.64 So we asked users what what um frustrates them the most about um current remote controls. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 322.64 323.14 And 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 347.43 361.33 they some users commented on the fact that the the you know the way that you have to hold and press buttons on a remote control ar are bad and um cause u repetitive strain injury. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 340.3 345.64 especially when there's many buttons and it's a, you know, a c a a unintuitive interface. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 333.99 340.3 Um they also said that it um it takes a lot of time to learn a new remote control,
IS1005b H03 MIE002 345.64 347.43 Um and then thirdly 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 324.99 333.99 fifty percent of the users said that uh what frustrates them is losing the remote control um somewhere in the room and not being able to find it. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 378.75 385.94 Um basically our findings are that um amongst a younger age groups uh the answer is umv overwhelmingly yes. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 389.27 396.23 Um for instance, ninety one percent of pe of people aged between fifteen and twenty five said yes, they want these features. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 369.53 378.75 In particular, do they want an L. C. D. d display, and secondly, do they think speech recognition uh is a useful feature to have on a remote control. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 363.6 369.53 We also asked some users about some specific features that they'd like to see in the on the remote control. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 385.94 389.27 They want these features, they want these high technology features. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 396.47 408.82 Whereas um the the trend was as users as users um became older and older uh they were less likely to want these sort of features in a um in a remote control. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 418.29 423.61 um I think we're focusing on the younger younger um target demographic 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 423.61 429.34 and so maybe we should think about adding these sort of high technology features into our remote control. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 429.34 430.86 That's my dic that's my presentation. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 430.86 431.87 Thank you. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 408.82 411.79 So I guess it depends on where we're focusing our our market. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 411.79 418.29 Um and as our company motto is putting fashion in electronics 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 428.46 428.63 Hmm. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 432.35 432.7 Thank you. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 441.32 441.66 Okay. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 443.85 445.05 So, um 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 448.1 458.04 maybe now we can talk about a user interface and uh about the technical function of this device. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 458.04 462.53 So uh Pet Peter, can you talk say something about that? 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 463.8 467.14 Yeah, but the user user interface is responsible. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 461.74 463.8 Well, okay, yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 464.74 464.92 No. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 471.6 473.51 Okay. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 464.86 469.84 B you think uh I I'm User Interface Manager. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 469.84 471.6 Okay. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 473.51 477.37 If I could go there with this cable. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 470.64 470.86 Sorry. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 468.97 470.64 Sorry, I'm Sorry. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 467.27 468.97 Ah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 468.04 469.11 Okay, so. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 484.32 487.88 And speech recognition in remote unit, it will be very e expensive. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 481.82 484.32 You're scaring me with L. C. D. man. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 493.37 501.29 so it's And our production cost of twelve fifty Euros per per unit is fairly high I think 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 501.29 504.91 so I think we can afford to to add these sort of features into our remote. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 487.96 493.37 Yeah, it's true, but, you know, they're features that users want 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 494.19 494.33 Yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 501.31 501.52 Yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 505.04 510.5 At least we have couple of months t to work on it so so it will be cheaper finally. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 508.7 510.04 Sh okay. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 509.61 510.07 It is true. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 514.79 515.96 Okay. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 512.61 514.79 Where's delete button? 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 516.69 520.3 Oh I'm sorry. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 539.73 540.44 Okay. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 540.17 541.29 That's the wrong one, I think. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 541.86 545.34 Yeah, it's still Bob Morris. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 545.34 546.91 Yeah you should have put yes. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 543.73 544.7 Presentation three? 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 542.88 543.73 Oh. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 545 546.07 Because you cancelled it. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 547.27 547.39 Yeah. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 547.73 548.98 Oh. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 547.99 548.64 Click on yes. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 552.35 553.21 yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 552.87 553.49 Yep. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 580.76 589.14 for sending some commands by some waves to uh another device to to tell different commands uh with this device. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 596.54 600.95 Uh i it has different blocks, different blocks. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 600.95 613.63 Uh first is remote control have sh ha should have some electric circuits uh making interface with uh keyboard and uh r reading uh keyboard and reading the keyboard uh commands. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 589.14 596.54 And the main idea we don't use any cable and we can rec react simpler with the device. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 566.99 573.27 I will talk about different components and s of system and how they react together. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 577.22 580.76 Simply it's a device, as you know, for uh 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 573.27 577.22 Okay, uh, first what is a remote control? 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 562.08 566.99 Okay, so here is my presentation about technical function design. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 613.91 621.65 And then inter then make uh these keyboard commands, uh in interpret these int uh keyboard commands. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 621.65 649.2 And then there should be uh an electronic circuit making uh electronic signals according to these commands and uh finally there is a transmitter which is a cord or a a diode making uh making uh waves to transmit through the air and uh uh this air this uh wave uh will be received by the by the other device like a television or whatever 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 649.2 651.65 to uh r to realise the command. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 675.97 683.64 This is uh this can be uh uh the the differences the th between different kind of waves, infra-red or radio waves. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 672.33 675.97 There are two different uh uh solutions I mean. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 653.58 666.43 Okay, uh about what I found about uh different uh these different blocks are uh, usually there are two different methods uh to for designing a remote control. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 666.43 672.33 They are based on infra-red uh waves or uh uh radio waves. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 670.91 672.7 You still want me the presentation. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 683.99 690.39 And uh also as uh I understood, and uh I think it was a part of uh Bob,
IS1005b H02 MIO076 698.96 703.28 So for the electronic part, working and interfacing, with button 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 690.39 698.96 uh uh presentation, people prefer to have uh to have uh the remote control with less button. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 717.4 725.7 and showing o something on T. V. and putting less lesser stuff on the uh on the remote control. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 703.28 717.4 we should we should try to t try to design a remote control having uh some some simpler buttons or some rolling buttons to just to just to search between different options 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 726.11 728.15 And uh personal preferences 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 752.23 753.5 That was my presentation. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 728.15 743.17 uh uh uh uh certainly a remote control with uh working with radio waves is uh preferred because uh you can pr you can take it in any direction and you don't need to tune it any way. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 743.17 751.59 And uh uh again, using bigger buttons and less number of buttons are also preferred, as I see. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 751.59 752.23 Okay. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 754.36 754.56 Okay. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 764.33 764.96 I have a question. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 765.93 766.29 Uh-huh. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 766.4 772.04 Do you think radio waves um will interfere with other appliances in the home? 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 781.03 789.05 So they can be in a range which is not inter interfering with the with other devices inside the home. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 773.42 781.03 Uh, I don't think so, because uh we can make uh we ca we can make this wave in a specific frequency. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 788.88 789.35 Okay. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 789.52 792.47 So can we use any any frequency? 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 792.47 794.72 We have the right to use any frequency? 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 789.59 791.08 Yeah, it should be okay. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 794.71 804.18 Uh no but as I know, there is a range for uh for this uh f for for uh for this stuff, for designing this circuit. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 804.18 812.27 We can we can we can tune our uh transmitter to work in this range, and for this range we don't need to ask any permission. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 820.9 824.35 And so do they have the same frequency, or? 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 813.23 820.9 And what happen with uh radio waves when two neighbours have the same have our remote control, for example? 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 812.53 813.23 Okay. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 824.76 836.73 Uh for this I'm not uh I I don't know the solution, but one solution can be something like putting uh p password or something inside the wave,
IS1005b H02 MIO076 836.73 842.81 so the only your T. V. can understand it Yeah, identification code inside the 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 838.36 838.86 Okay. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 838.86 842.21 A kind of identification, okay. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 870.42 874.4 Well it can be a problem sometimes, but most of the time it works okay. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 846.58 849.34 It's uh kind of handshaking, uh 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 857.13 870.42 So so if two two devices are trying to go to communicate with the T. V. set then the the the one which has the more energy in the wave is chosen. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 841.33 846.58 Yeah f uh I know about this, since it's my it's exactly my field, so. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 849.34 857.13 when starting to uh when you start to communicate with the your T. V. then then it's like an handshaking protocol with your your remote. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 842.95 843.47 So 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 852.66 852.95 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 854.92 855.38 So 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 874.77 875.24 Okay. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 881.35 885.79 A specific uh remote control has a specific f 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 874.83 881.35 The password may simply uh or uh i identification code may simply solve this problem. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 897.65 900.49 And they have these problems solved so. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 896.46 897.65 It's worth to buy. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 884.57 896.46 Yeah but we we don't have to think uh about this because I think as a function designer that we will use the already made uh circuits which we probably bu buy. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 900.49 902.19 So we don't have to think about these. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 897.21 897.4 Hmm. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 900.24 900.46 Okay. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 900.53 900.85 Mm. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 901.72 902.19 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 901.96 902.92 Okay. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 902.92 906.21 So, maybe you can talk about the function, and 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 902.46 902.66 Okay. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 905.48 907.25 Yes. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 907.25 915.82 I have only a couple of things because I had I struggled a bit with the software that I'm supposed to use in this uh 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 917.4 917.88 uh 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 922.59 923.84 But I tried to 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 919.36 920.39 in this company. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 920.39 922.59 I was used to use Linux before, so. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 925.2 929.38 tried to break through this too, I guess. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 935.15 935.99 Mm. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 935.99 936.19 Ah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 935.22 935.65 Open. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 938.1 938.6 Okay. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 940.38 942.94 How to make it big? 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 944.16 944.74 Slide show. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 944.29 946.18 Five. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 945.73 946.07 Slide show. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 946.07 947.08 Okay, thanks. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 947.06 950.41 It should work, so you can. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 960.08 968.35 A look at what the other company Okay so uh presently I am looking what is possible to use 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 955.74 957.69 That's the first slide. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1004.1 1004.8 So, you know. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 950.2 951.67 Okay. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 951.67 955.74 Oh so I will speak about working design. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 968.35 984.05 what circuits to use and stuff like that because uh I didn't work uh with these uh circuits so far so I have to look what what is a v a v available on the market for for the communication for the I. R. circuits and so on 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 957.69 960.08 Uh what uh I have to do? 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 988.25 996.47 And uh I wanted to ask you m maybe afterwards, after after our discussion, if we have some contacts in some companies,
IS1005b H01 MIO077 996.47 1004.1 so, which can report on what is going on there, so, I would be glad if you can tell me about them. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 984.05 988.25 so I'm currently looking what is available on the web. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1001.19 1001.35 Mm. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1002.53 1002.83 Yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1027.48 1029.09 So 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1007.24 1018.87 Uh, okay findings, that's the point that I'm working on currently but uh so far I I was uh looking what what are the blue circuit,
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1045.46 1060.17 when you are not close to the T. V. you probably won't need to to change the program and so on and so I am I am voting for s to stick to the um infra-red control instead of R. W. but we will discuss it later maybe. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1018.87 1027.48 I mean radio wave radio frequency circuits are available now, but the prices I read are high. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1029.09 1043.48 I know that uh the user interface people and these speak about radio frequency waves because you can you can uh you can make the T. V. do what you want even if you are in the bathroom or so on 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1043.48 1045.46 but you know 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1022.01 1022.28 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1037.54 1038.33 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1041.58 1041.95 Hmm. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1068.51 1077.33 It depends uh on whether we will use the L. C. D. and mainly the speech recognition, because the speech rec Yeah? 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1063.74 1068.51 Components to use, I'm not exactly sure what I will use for the design of the circuit. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1062.29 1063.74 Uh. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1083.95 1086.27 or are we planning to construct our own circuit board? 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1077.56 1083.95 Are we um are we planning to take an off the shelf an O. E. M. component for the radio wave circuit 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1086.45 1092.91 This we this we buy I think, because it's rather cheap nowadays and it's not worth to construct ourselves. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1085.7 1086.45 No no no no no. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1091.18 1092 Okay s 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1092.88 1095.63 So we just buy a circuit board and Okay. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1094.77 1095.36 Exactly. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1097.14 1100.79 But I'm not sure about the circuit which is responsible for speech recognition. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1100.79 1103.76 This I prefer that we should make ourselves. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1103.94 1104.23 Okay. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1120.54 1126.34 less buttons good for me as a as a designer of the circuit. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1109.89 1112.69 It's fairly expensive to use these circuits. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1112.69 1120.54 So, speech recognition well, L. C. D. it's okay because it's common nowadays to use L. C. D., so I agree on using any kind of L. C. D. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1126.34 1132.8 But the speech recognition we have to compare whether the price and the what does it offer, you know. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1104.83 1108.82 But it depends whether we take a decision to use it. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1108.82 1109.89 Same thing. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1125.18 1125.41 Yeah. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1129.33 1129.5 Mm. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1131.25 1131.59 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1132.77 1138.83 So what do you think would be the price, it would be out of range? 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1138.83 1140.76 Or it would be maybe feasible? 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1135.29 1135.72 Yeah, I'm 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1144.34 1158.47 But if we use the L. C. D. uh even the radio frequency communication with the T. V. set and the backlight and uh related things like the photo diodes and stuff 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1179.54 1180.1 these things 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1160.59 1167.18 If we decide to use the speech recognition, then we probably could struggle but we'll see afterwards. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1190.89 1191.82 so. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1191.82 1194.02 We will discuss it afterwards. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1180.1 1190.89 it it depends on you not Because the the the electronic device's price is not not so big in comparison to to the overall shape and stuff like that 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1173.42 1179.54 I'm sorry about the names, I don't really know, uh want to have it like in metal or in plastic 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1167.18 1173.42 It depends of you if if the M. E. or U. I. D. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1141.38 1144.34 I was not thinking too much about the price. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1158.47 1160.59 it should be okay. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1139.92 1141.38 Oh. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1166.93 1167.2 Okay. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1173.57 1173.83 Mm. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1191.18 1191.42 Okay. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1207.63 1213.33 but from the point of view uh of the design and price, I would stick to I. R. s. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1213.33 1214.65 That's my opinion. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1200.31 1207.63 And uh my personal preference is yes, I would like also preferably to use R. W. circuit,
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1195.57 1200.31 This is just my notes on what to use. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1194.56 1195.57 Oh, this is nothing. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1214.65 1219.08 Uh I mean if infra-red uh circuit not not the radio frequency. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1219.2 1219.52 Why? 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1219.52 1221.1 Because it's simpler? 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1221.94 1228.18 Because because the the range where you can use it is fair. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1230.27 1232.95 And the price is fairly cheap for this. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1232.95 1234.51 Well, depends. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1228.18 1230.27 It's okay I think. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1225.48 1225.74 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1228.07 1228.22 Mm. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1231.97 1232.94 Okay. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1232.94 1234.83 It's a a price matter. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1235.75 1235.9 Yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1236.45 1238.68 Jus just the price. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1238.68 1243.67 Otherwise I don't care what I put there because it's the chip which I buy or which we buy. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1238.09 1238.36 Mm. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1242.97 1243.26 Okay. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1245.39 1251.97 So I I I think it's o y o. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1251.97 1254.96 Well, three to three to five. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1254.96 1258.54 N not ten times, but it depends what what we 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1247.34 1249.77 What how much more expensive? 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1251.8 1253.29 Or ten times more expensive? 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1253.29 1253.7 Or 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1249.77 1251.8 Are we talking three times more expensive? 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1254.63 1255.05 Okay. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1258.77 1259.55 That's still a lot. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1263.45 1270.97 because I mean all the other remote controls on the market have infra-red, so people don't expect anything other than infra-red. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1256.68 1258.77 Yeah yeah. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1259.55 1263.45 I think it's it's probably not worth spending the extra money,
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1270.97 1272.3 So it's not worth spending the extra money. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1260.96 1261.13 Hmm. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1263.66 1264.14 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1271.78 1273.35 Well I, oh 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1270.68 1271.78 Yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1271.11 1271.96 Yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1271.96 1276.65 Th they are used to use it when they can see the T. V. so, I don't know. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1275.42 1275.63 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1278.98 1280.51 You know, where 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1275.81 1278.98 On the other side, we want to have something new. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1279.83 1280.08 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1281.7 1282.39 we want to 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1283.67 1287.86 to have something new and So we I think we should still thinking about it. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1287.86 1288.94 But maybe. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1302.75 1308.17 So I think we're better off spending money in the usability phase. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1298.48 1302.75 you know, the difference between infra-red or radio waves. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1288.27 1298.48 But I think, based on my usability studies I th I feel that users are prioritise the look and the feel and the trendiness above,
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1295.61 1295.96 Okay. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1303.33 1310.27 You the user interface, and management man, uh 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1306.95 1307.24 Okay. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1307.51 1307.86 Mm. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1307.89 1308.2 Yeah. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1309.4 1309.63 Okay. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1311.78 1314.02 Uh okay, that's it for me. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1315.51 1320.99 Okay, thank you Peter. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1320.99 1332.44 So um I have to inform you I receive an email from the management bon board today and they have new requirements for the for the remote control. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1332.44 1332.93 Um 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1317.35 1317.78 'Kay. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1331.55 1331.66 Mm. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1339.97 1346.32 Uh apparently it becomes from according to them it becomes out of date. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1334.23 1339.97 first um, they say that's uh about something about t teletext. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1347.42 1348.27 And uh 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1346.32 1347.42 Out-dated. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1349.6 1353.9 Because of the internet popularity and everybody has internet at home, and 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1355.46 1357.63 actually it's not useful to have teletext. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1359.33 1359.79 Um. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1363.68 1367.45 So I think we can avoid the teletext. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1367.45 1370.09 Um the second thing is uh 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1380 1392.56 because it make it it makes it's too complex and uh because we have not much time for this project we should stay on T. V. on the only specific T. V. remote control. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1371.26 1380 they suggest that that we should uh use the remote control only for T. V., not for D. V. D. and other devices 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1392.99 1393.92 I agree. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1401.93 1412 So um uh we should we should keep uh The the product should be recognisable. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1412 1413.65 Uh, uh 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1394.13 1401.93 The third the third one is uh about the the the image of the company. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1422.05 1425.31 which is uh, we put fashion of in electronics. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1415.03 1422.05 It's That mean we should use the colour of our company and maybe put somewhere the s the slogan of the company,
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1426.6 1435.72 So, when people see the the remote control, they should say oh it's from Real Reaction and he s they should recognise the company. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1438.6 1440.38 So, um 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1455.4 1461.45 So, mm, are we going to use L. C. D., speech recognition? 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1444.12 1455.4 So now we we should take the decision what we are going to what function we will have on this uh on this remote control. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1462.8 1464.31 Uh. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1464.6 1468.04 Well, should we start with just the core, the basic functions that we need. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1469.33 1471.89 And then we can move on to the more advanced features. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1469.52 1470.18 Yeah. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1470.65 1471.13 Yes. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1470.21 1470.65 Mm. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1471.06 1472.66 Maybe, maybe. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1480.99 1484.91 And, well the recognition it depends on you guys. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1472.69 1477.76 Okay, so the available things are L. C. D., the buttons and everything. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1477.76 1480.99 Uh radio frequency depends. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1484.91 1486.48 You should probably speak. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1484.11 1491.68 Yeah but first maybe what is what are the usual function of a standard remote control? 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1491.68 1492.04 I mean 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1492.37 1492.59 Okay. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1493.14 1494 what do 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1495.04 1500.66 Okay, well, I mean the obvious one is changing channels. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1496.04 1496.23 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1497.84 1499.17 Yeah. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1498.47 1499.15 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1507.36 1512.46 I think we should stick on very useful functions, because we want less button. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1512.46 1514.35 So, yeah. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1510.75 1511.04 Yeah. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1513.68 1514.27 Yeah, okay. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1518.52 1520.28 Volume setting. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1516.16 1518.52 So, turning channel, of course. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1532.71 1535.21 I mean those nine plus one or two? 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1526.14 1532.71 Do we will we use only two buttons, or or like numbered buttons? 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1522.97 1526.14 Uh just one note to the chan channel changing. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1533.85 1534.13 Yeah. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1535.19 1535.66 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1536 1538.2 I think it would be a b 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1538.16 1542.11 Because it's many buttons and we were speaking about lowering the number. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1542.23 1543.47 Mm. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1543.08 1551.48 On the other side we have more and more channels, and if you want to pass through all the channels to get the channel you want, it's 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1542.39 1543.08 Yeah. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1542.59 1543.12 Yeah, I 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1547.77 1548.19 Yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1551.7 1554.98 Okay so so we keep all these all these buttons. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1553.47 1556.01 Yeah yeah, at least nine, ten button. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1553.49 1557.68 Maybe maybe we could think of something more betweens, like 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1558.86 1559.24 uh 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1558.96 1562.59 Like ten plus, five plus, one plus, one minus or something. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1561.67 1563.33 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1563.33 1564.66 Maybe something like that. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1563.73 1568.01 Or using the names and the keyboard I dunno. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1564.85 1568.53 Ah yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1565.76 1569.06 Uh. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1568.78 1570.25 Or 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1571.35 1573.3 Maybe Oh I don't know. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1571.36 1572.97 Or something. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1574.14 1574.44 Oh. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1577.7 1587.28 Maybe we could have key buttons, like uh discovery channe like documentary channel, and movies channel and 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1586.72 1588.72 You mean like hierarchical structure. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1586.89 1587.2 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1587.37 1591.76 And inside this this thing you can move, maybe switch. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1599.96 1601.34 I don't know what you think about that but. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1591.76 1598.98 If you want to see a movie you click on the movie button so you have all the movie channels and after you've you plus plus plus. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1598.98 1599.96 I It just an idea. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1590.18 1591.96 Like categorising channels. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1589 1590.18 Okay. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1596.44 1596.97 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1596.63 1598.58 Okay, so s Oh sorry. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1598.89 1599.23 Okay. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1601.97 1605.55 So it requires the use of L. C. D. probably, to to tell you 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1606.92 1607.15 Yeah. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1605.4 1606.92 To have some feedback. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1605.49 1607.51 Yeah, probably, yeah, yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1606.57 1609.25 Okay, so I'll make a note on L. C. D. . 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1606.89 1607.57 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1611.83 1619.81 We could maybe also c um incorporate Petre's idea of the um slider for the volume, with the channel. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1624.73 1625.75 For the channels, perhaps. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1619.81 1624.73 So we c you could quickly just through many channels. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1618.15 1618.56 Okay. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1619.56 1619.75 Okay. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1622.34 1623.25 Yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1623.25 1625.81 Like roller for the Yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1625.81 1626.24 Okay. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1641.75 1643.79 Anything else? 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1645.87 1646.29 Um. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1643.96 1645.87 So we've got channel and volume. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1645.99 1646.14 Yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1646.56 1652.59 So we are still s speaking about the common devices or we are inviting the new one? 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1652.46 1656.27 I think basically the core functions we want, and then more advanced ones. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1651.9 1652.46 I think so. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1652.89 1653.29 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1657.19 1658.73 What about the settings of the T. V. ? 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1658.73 1662.33 Because it's button we don't use very often, but 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1663.46 1665.25 it's we need it anyway. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1665.25 1665.85 So 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1665 1676.78 So uh we don't have any uh we don't have uh we should just design the remote control and we sh we don't have any access to the to the T. V. design or we can change some design. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1689.24 1693.37 Yeah b Not on the control, on the screen, on the T. V. screen. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1684.24 1689.24 some some preview of all channels and then you can Yeah. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1676.78 1684.24 Because one solution for this um uh uh ch changing channels is to see a summary of all channels 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1693.37 1693.76 And then 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1665.31 1665.72 Yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1689.39 1691.32 Not on the control, but on the screen. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1687.91 1689.39 On the screen, you mean? 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1692.73 1694.9 Well, this would avoid L. C. D., then. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1693.27 1693.56 I don't 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1697.78 1704.14 I mean this remote control we're developing is a generic control for all T. V. s, I think. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1695.01 1697.78 Oh, I don't but I don't think we're we're the ones. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1701.88 1703.28 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1703.28 1707.32 I don't know if it's possible to to watch something on T. V. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1703.17 1703.61 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1703.77 1704.29 Oh. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1714.79 1720.67 Well it wi it will be still more expensive, but for the L. C. D. and this stuff is no problem in the price. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1706.5 1714.79 W I I think it it would be better to to stick to the remote control and not to bother the T. V. to to to print these things. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1710.9 1711.28 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1713.15 1713.36 Yeah. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1713.29 1713.72 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1719.74 1720.27 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1721.58 1721.82 Okay. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1722.65 1724.61 So, what are we doing with the settings? 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1724.61 1731.25 Because settings if we want to do settings we need buttons for that and we want less buttons, so. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1731.25 1736.64 Maybe with the L. C. D. we can do something with less buttons, but 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1733.92 1734.18 Yeah. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1737.24 1741.77 But then you don't want to make the L. C. D. display too complicated at the same time. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1740.82 1742.59 Mm. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1741.4 1746.76 Two T. V. s. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1744.8 1755.74 I mean there's always we can always have these l less often used functions hidden somewhere, under a cover or at the back of under a slide or some 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1754.76 1755.77 Oh, the. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1752.47 1753.47 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1753.47 1754.76 Oh yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1753.92 1755.05 Like ma 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1761.47 1767.79 Or like children and grandfather's mode, and the, well the the user 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1759.39 1761.47 Or I dunno. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1755.76 1759.39 We we could have for example two buttons like simple mode and advanced mode. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1760.37 1761.85 Yeah. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1761.85 1762.04 Yeah. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1765.07 1765.59 Mm. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1769.1 1772.96 not the user, the man mana T. V. manager mode. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1772.96 1774.24 Ah, I dunno. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1772.85 1773.17 Okay. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1773.27 1773.8 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1774.37 1776.25 So we have five minutes left. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1776.25 1776.72 Um. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1775.59 1776.55 Yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1777.23 1777.81 Uh. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1778.53 1783.77 So I think s the settings we th we are agreeing are agreed that they're required. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1783.77 1786.28 It's just how to a 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1783.53 1783.74 Yeah. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1783.76 1784.06 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1783.96 1784.6 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1785.11 1789.39 We should hide them somewhere. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1789.39 1795.58 In the menus of the L. C. D. or in the back of the remote control, or something like that. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1788.88 1790.05 Hide them, okay. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1789.03 1789.18 Yeah. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1792.01 1792.33 Okay. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1795.11 1795.21 Yeah. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1796.45 1797.65 Uh, okay, what else? 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1801.93 1802.27 Um. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1806.53 1808.27 I mean a power button's obviously 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1810.58 1811.63 This I was thinking. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1813.6 1818.04 Should should shouldn't we do it like sleep mode after five minutes of not using it? 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1818.04 1819.23 Because generally 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1811.63 1813.6 Do we need a power button at all? 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1806.53 1810.58 Yes. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1810.37 1811.08 uh required. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1824.79 1828.33 Because it's not a very current useful function. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1820.77 1824.79 It should fit in those settings functions. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1818.67 1820.77 It's it's a kind of setting, I think. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1821.16 1821.39 Mm. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1823.28 1824.02 Settings. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1828.88 1833.93 Uh, well I think when they say power button they mean to turn the T. V. on and off. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1834.12 1838.84 No, I think it's after after five minutes or something a timer I I think, no? 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1834.13 1834.62 Yes. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1836.49 1837.84 Well I I uh 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1838.26 1843.12 But if you're watching T. V. for two hours, you don't want your T. V. to turn off after five five minute 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1845.15 1846.28 Uh probably. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1841.6 1845.15 You don't need to every five minutes to keep it alive. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1846.28 1847.93 Okay, so we should keep this button. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1848.42 1856.35 I mean based on our usability studies again, um pe um people said that the power button was v a very relevant button. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1856.35 1858.43 Um, you know, it was nine out of ten 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1848.74 1849.04 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1854.54 1855.73 Oh okay, yeah. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1856.26 1856.59 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1858.92 1867.24 Okay, so we we could p what we could probably do is to keep also to keep uh keep the L. C. D. and all the buttons and stuff,
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1867.24 1876.38 we could make it like a opening opening style that if you open it you are you just turn on the T. V. and if you close it, it will 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1859.47 1860.3 re relevance. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1871.93 1872.16 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1877.78 1878.01 Yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1878.23 1879.34 turn off the T. V. . 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1879.34 1880.67 If if you like this, 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1880.94 1881.26 Okay. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1882.14 1882.89 B Okay. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1883.86 1887.79 Because, well it's maybe question for you t 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1897.98 1901.84 Um and all the other f functionality is 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1885.27 1892.22 I think we need to concentrate on the, you know, the major usage of the th of the control, which is you sit down,
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1892.22 1897.98 you turn on your T. V., you change channels, you change the volume, you turn the T. V. off. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1887.99 1888.52 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1890.23 1890.74 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1897.27 1898.25 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1898.25 1899.1 So s yeah. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1912.85 1914.5 Yeah, like mobile phone covering. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1903.08 1908.97 Yeah, they can yeah they can be hide somewhere by a cover or something like this. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1908.97 1912.85 Like covering cu. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1903.36 1904.77 not used very often. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1907.52 1907.74 Yeah. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1908.4 1908.69 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1910.53 1911.53 On the back, or 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1911.87 1912.67 I mean like the 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1910.79 1911.87 Yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1913.76 1920.57 Yeah but since we have the L. C. D., we didn't need too much button too many buttons. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1921.94 1926.42 Um, okay, just um the decision of the power button. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1926.42 1931.16 Should we make it a button, or some some something which would be 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1931.83 1932.17 For what? 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1932.37 1934.48 Uh power button. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1932.77 1933.38 I think a button. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1933.65 1935.2 A button is better. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1935 1936.52 I think it should be a bu 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1935.32 1937.48 Ah oh yeah, yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1937.48 1939.06 Yeah a button, yeah I guess so. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1935.62 1938.25 If it if it's a button or Okay. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1936.32 1936.75 Yeah. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1937.49 1939.02 Its own button on the front. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1939.01 1939.36 Mm. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1943.38 1946.84 Old fashioned button, to satisfy the grandmothers. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1940.68 1943.38 Okay, one nice big button. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1949.84 1950.21 Hmm. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1952.99 1953.29 Okay. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1954.68 1957.48 So, any other suggestions or functions? 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1954.72 1954.96 Mm. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1954.86 1955.03 S 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1968.32 1973.05 What about things like the clock and um timers? 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1974.33 1975.3 Do we still have the time? 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1975.3 1976.1 I I just wonder. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1976.55 1979.53 Yeah, we have still one or two minutes to talk, yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1978.36 1978.73 Okay. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1979.89 1980.83 Oh. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1980.83 1982.69 Well what w what was the question? 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1981.67 1982.58 Clock or 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 1982.38 1989.08 Uh um, you know, some func some features on the control to display a time, or t to display 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1987.72 1990.45 Usually it's already on T. V. or something like that. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 1990.11 1990.54 Yes. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1991.3 1996.06 Yeah but since we want to control all the televisions, 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 1997.22 2003.45 and and it would probably be worth to to set the timing on the remote, no? 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 1997.41 1997.73 Yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 2004.52 2012.37 Because if if the T. V. turns on itself, it well you know, if the time The timer should be there. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 2005.01 2005.35 Mm. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2007.21 2007.52 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2009.38 2010 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2017.71 2023.25 I mean, are users wants to have the time on the on the remote? 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2010 2017.71 If we if we add the time, we have to have maybe a bigger display or something like that, and is it very useful? 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 2024.06 2024.38 Mm. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2025.91 2026.52 Is it useful? 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2024.73 2025.91 This is the question. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 2026.59 2028.6 It's a questi yeah, it's a trade-off. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 2025.2 2026.59 Probably not. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 2026.34 2026.76 Yes. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2027.86 2035.58 W In my opinion we should have only useful thing and Because apparently they want The simpler it's is better. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 2032.85 2033.26 'Kay. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 2034.3 2034.8 Ah, yeah. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 2035.72 2036.55 Okay simple. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 2036.27 2044.62 Did you did you ever use the like the timing of turning on the T. V., well And based on your 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 2045.49 2050.51 But I do use the I do use the display of the time quite often, but 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 2043.56 2045.49 Very, yeah okay, very occasionally. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 2049.08 2049.33 Mm. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 2049.65 2054.12 Yeah but it can be on the display in in a corner all the time on the remote. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 2052.69 2053.05 Yeah. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 2054.61 2056.12 Yeah that's okay, that's true. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 2058.69 2059.03 Okay. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 2056.12 2058.69 Okay, so no time button. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2057.25 2058.87 No time on. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 2058.44 2064.15 And uh do we need to include anything about the speech recognition and the speech commands, or? 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 2063.56 2065.46 Yes yes. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2064.55 2065.59 I think 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 2077.42 2088.08 so people may be attracted to buy this stuff and it's not very difficult to uh put a software inside the the electronic device and put a microphone. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 2088.08 2092.8 It doesn't take that much place and also that much It doesn't cost that much. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 2066.07 2072.34 I I thin I think it will not take lots of place, we just need a microphone and the software,
IS1005b H02 MIO076 2072.34 2077.42 so, and it sh and it will be a little bit new and interesting 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2092.73 2093 Yeah. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 2092.83 2097.33 Yeah but we we should be careful about the battery life, then. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 2097.33 2099.57 If we use the speech recognition. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2097.09 2104.17 So maybe we think we can think more about that, and discuss that maybe last time next time. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2104.17 2106.79 And uh yeah, now the meeting room is busy. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2106.79 2112.59 Somebody booked the meeting room just for at one P. M., and so we should leave. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 2102.36 2102.65 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005b H01 MIO077 2103 2103.92 Yeah. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2113.67 2114.05 Uh. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2132.77 2135.94 And uh I will do the minutes. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2125.07 2132.77 And uh after we have uh thirteen minutes to to do indevel individual works. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2118.42 2122.19 So now we are going for for a small lunch. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2135.94 2136.92 And uh 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2116.83 2118.42 So, um. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2122.19 2125.07 It's uh funded by the company. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2142.23 2148 And uh you will receive as usual your specific instruction and so on. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2148 2148.89 Thank you everybody. 
IS1005b H00 MIO055 2138.54 2142.23 you are going to work on your individual works. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 2149.34 2150.38 Okay 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 2147.38 2149.34 Okay, cool. 
IS1005b H02 MIO076 2151.37 2151.91 Thanks. 
IS1005b H03 MIE002 2152.09 2152.41 Thank you. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 39.18 48.75 Hello, uh this meeting we are it's fo should be focused on the conceptual design of the remote control. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 40.04 40.52 Hello. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 41.21 41.74 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 41.52 41.66 Hello. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 65.31 70.81 but uh in th at the end of this meeting we have to to reach a decision. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 49.83 65.31 Um the goal of this meeting is to reach a decision at the end on the concept and I think the last time we talked about an a lot and we had a rough idea of what is going to be 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 72.05 72.84 So, uh 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 74.04 83.74 we will have again three presentation, from all of you, and uh I hope it will be fast because I would like to have time to 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 84.91 86.36 for long discussion and 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 89.65 91.9 So, who wants to start? 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 87.7 89.65 and decisions. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 93.83 94.05 I s 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 94.07 94.39 Okay. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 94.58 94.83 Okay. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 95.28 96.99 No, no, you you can start. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 98.99 100.56 Can you open my presentation, please. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 97.09 98.99 Okay, I'll start. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 97.15 98.62 So start, uh 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 103.69 105.13 Uh. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 110.29 111.66 I'm number four. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 115.25 115.61 Yep. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 114.52 115.25 Trend. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 114.8 115.34 This one? 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 125.69 126.12 Okay. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 121.94 123.77 Can you pass the mouse, please. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 140.56 141.13 Um 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 123.77 125.69 Oh okay, that's fine. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 126.12 140.56 Um so basically I just want to presented to you present to you some recent results we've had from um looking at uh um some remote control market research and some fashion trends around the world. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 124.38 125.21 Turn. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 163.41 167.76 Um fancy is is is is the, you know, highest priority. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 189.89 195.33 but again two times less important as the technologically innovativeness of the remote control. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 167.76 174.48 Secondly um that our remote control needs to be techn technologically innovative. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 174.48 181.73 Um so this is t number two priority but it's two times less important as the fancy criteria. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 158.52 163.41 um as opposed to a functional look and feel, is our number one priority. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 143 149.81 the fashion trends we got from talking to our our contacts in the fashion industry based in Paris and Milan. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 181.73 189.89 Um and third thirdly the easiness of use is is the um is is important as well 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 149.81 158.52 Um so f from our market research basically we've come to the conclusion that a fancy look and feel,
IS1005c H00 MIO055 164.87 165.07 Hmm. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 165.29 165.55 Hmm. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 213.5 220.37 So, I'm pretty confident that our remote control fits into the furniture category. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 220.37 226.87 And also um the feel of material this year um is expected to be spongy. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 199.64 204.52 From our f fashion people in Paris and Milan,
IS1005c H03 MIE002 204.52 213.5 um we've discovered that this year um fruit the fruit and vegetable motif will be the most important thing in in clothes, shoes and furniture. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 228.31 228.61 Okay. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 228.82 234.08 Um so hopefully our remote control reflects that s in some way. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 234.69 235.84 What does it mean, spongy? 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 256.72 262.52 Um somehow would be good to have it related to fruit and vegetables with a spongy feel. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 246.15 247.25 Yeah. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 241.29 244.62 Yeah soft, like a uh like a sponge. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 262.52 275.76 And that it's easy to use and from our last meeting our you know Fabian told us that w you know one of the requirements is that we have to reflect the look and feel of our of th the Real Reaction company. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 247.25 256.72 Um so in conclusion, we need a our remote control needs to be something that's really fancy, um has lots of technolog tech technology in it. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 275.76 276.07 Um. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 244.62 246.15 I don't know. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 236.4 240.04 Uh sort of um squishy. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 240.04 241.29 Um. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 240.45 241.75 Like soft, or something? 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 243.23 244.77 Like a sponge. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 244.77 244.89 Yeah. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 246.17 246.79 I will see. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 245.43 246.17 Okay. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 258.14 259.32 Okay. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 276.6 279.33 Yeah, uh yeah. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 279.33 281.12 Easy to use, is it uh 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 277.42 278.54 That's it. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 286.83 287.89 It's less important, right? 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 281.92 286.83 a as much as important than technology or fancy thing. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 289.13 300.48 So um fanciness first and then two ti you know, half as important as that is technology technology, and half important as technology is easy to use. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 300.48 300.58 So. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 288.44 289.13 Less important. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 289.23 289.73 Yeah yeah. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 292.91 293.32 Okay. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 302.16 304.33 So, Hamed, can you. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 303.92 304.38 Yeah. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 304.38 304.97 The second one. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 304.97 309.42 Could you please show the presentation number three. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 305.49 305.92 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 314.73 315.39 We'll see. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 311.07 314.73 I think the biggest struggle will be the easy to use feature. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 317.62 318.79 Number? 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 314.19 317.62 Um. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 318.79 319.02 Three. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 315.01 315.39 Yeah. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 318.32 318.94 Three. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 322.31 322.69 This one? 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 325.35 325.7 Yes. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 330.68 335.21 Just Could you please check if it is the first one or the second. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 336.72 339.35 Uh, n n no, it's the first one. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 339.35 340.16 The second one. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 340.05 340.78 So it's not this one. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 341.18 341.58 Uh yeah. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 348.4 348.56 Okay. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 404.83 417.76 It should be we shouldn't need to es open a a t book and uh start reading and uh learning how to use this uh this uh remote control. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 354.59 355.62 Okay. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 355.62 364.69 So I am going to talk about a little bit about how this remote control should be appear to be more easy to use. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 387.62 397.51 So, the more frequent buttons should be larger, they should be placed in a good position uh uh inside the remote control. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 373.67 383.9 Um generally, generally uh this remote control uh uh should be should be something,
IS1005c H02 MIO076 364.69 373.67 I think uh I think the feature easy to use is more important than being fancy, but okay, we can discuss about it uh later. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 383.9 387.62 in my opinion, uh the first feature is just to be easy to use. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 397.51 404.83 And uh s uh I can conclude like this, that we shouldn't need to learn how to use it. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 461.49 472.14 And uh also f uh uh m because because customers doesn't like to buy lots of battery, it should not uh consume lots of energy. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 417.99 420.26 Okay. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 448.89 453.59 It should be it should have round edge, so uh then it's easier. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 453.59 461.49 And maybe uh just like some toys, some joystick which is easier to take inside the hand. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 437.34 444.46 Uh the shape of remote control should be in a way which can which should be taken easily in hand. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 444.46 448.89 It should not be completely like uh a cube. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 434.51 437.34 and they should be bigger in size. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 420.26 434.51 So what I found out that uh as I said uh I think it's better to put uh more frequent uh uh uh ke uh buttons which are used more in the middle of the remote control 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 451.5 452.23 Exactly. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 477.71 482.54 And my personal p uh preference is uh, as I said,
IS1005c H02 MIO076 482.54 494.06 uh just putting this buttons in a special places and covered some buttons which are not used uh that much like settings button, like mobile phone. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 517.04 526.4 And if the user needed to do some more complex task uh he he can open the cover and then change settings or something like this. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 507.24 517.04 and just put uh volume change or s ch can uh channel change buttons uh uh in the remote control. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 476.6 477.71 Okay. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 494.06 498.83 Usually some mobile phone cover the dialling number part 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 498.83 507.24 so we can cover these buttons which are not used or uh number buttons for the for the for the can channels 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 587.16 592.84 So it may not be very useful but because it's new, people may buy it. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 568.73 571.07 I know that it consumes lots of energy 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 527.04 529.32 Uh. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 541.67 543.83 I dunno if I can explain well. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 557.02 560.39 So it can be another uh preference. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 546.22 557.02 For example, a sliding or rolling uh uh d uh stuff, if we put it inside then we can easily manipulate with uh thumb. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 571.07 580.11 but if we do it in some way that it asleeps when there is no sound and when it detects some sound it may consume less energy. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 539.77 541.67 Not on remote control. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 560.39 568.73 And uh I dunno but uh I think usage of a speech recogn uh r recogniser can be good. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 580.11 587.16 And I think it's good because it's something new and usually young people like something new. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 529.32 539.77 And also uh I think if we put some some some some some buttons inside of the remote control it can be used easier. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 543.83 546.22 But uh just inside. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 593.52 600.44 Uh I personally think there should be a big difference between uh between something. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 600.44 605.96 Otherwise they prefer to buy something which is coming from a famous company, or. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 608.04 608.63 Okay. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 608.63 609.29 That's mine. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 610.74 612.87 Okay. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 611.78 619.02 Uh okay, so good news from me uh uh for me from Hamed, but bad news from Bob obviously,
IS1005c H01 MIO077 619.02 625.82 because spongy design, I don't like it as Okay, so could you please, Fabien, open it. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 625.89 626.41 Yeah. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 627.04 629.13 I'm person two. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 630.77 634.54 And which one, uh probably the first one. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 634.54 637.16 I'm not sure but check the first one. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 646.62 646.84 Just 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 639.21 646.62 I Most of the things I have to write myself on the board, but Yeah, that's it. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 644.12 644.9 This one, yeah. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 688.53 697.02 so the this will be like the overall scheme or overall requirements from the engineering point of view. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 652.01 660.76 This this is just uh one thing I wanted to mention and show you that I just uh I just found this 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 660.76 668.58 that our company uh developed a s a seven f seven fingers or I'll just Yeah,
IS1005c H01 MIO077 676.14 684.39 Uh so I I probably draw it down raw scheme. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 668.58 676.14 seven seven inch T. T. F. T. screen, which is good news for us, since we wanted to include a display there. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 651.22 652.01 Yeah. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 649.28 651.22 It's only this slide? 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 684.39 688.53 This is this is the stuff that I can use to Okay 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 667.65 667.97 Inch. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 681.05 681.48 Oh,. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 686.01 686.38 Oops. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 710.61 714.77 So there will be some circuit uh for the power. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 702.44 710.61 no uh I'm not speaking about the real shape of the device, but the shape of the inside of the device. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 697.98 702.44 Uh first thing is uh this will be the overall shape,
IS1005c H01 MIO077 740.1 746.24 I was computing all the all the things related to the speech recognition, and it's okay to use just uh two batteries and solar cells, so. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 718 729.47 Uh the main energy will be taken from batteries that we can uh uh And if we decide to use the speech recognition stuff there,
IS1005c H01 MIO077 716.08 718 So, say power circuit here. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 762.24 763.74 So at least seven to seven. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 746.24 747.58 So no problem. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 749.78 762.24 Uh the main board with all the circuits will take at least seven to seven centimetres, so this is my like hard requirement for the guys from the design. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 729.47 740.1 we must use additional source of energy, which I found the best is to use the solar cells which can which can uh supply everything. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 747.58 749.78 There can be also solar cell. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 762.24 762.54 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 772.36 778.46 Um it's just one cord from from the main board to the screen which can be elsewhere. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 782.85 790.03 And on the main board we have the um interface to the microphone, which is somewhere, 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 771.19 772.36 It doesn't matter. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 778.46 782.85 So this will be T. F. T. . 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 764.48 771.19 It depends where you put your screen, because the screen is uh seven inch, so it depends on you where where you put it. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 824.49 833.45 which has to be which can be spongy but has to be this size, and the T. F. T. which is seven inches. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 816.98 819.04 So infra-red here. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 795.21 802.06 Then the graphical card uh for the T. F. T. and the third unit is the I. R. . 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 793.35 795.21 Interface to the microphone. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 791.86 793.35 say here. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 802.06 813.59 The good news is that we can uh we decided to use the infra-red unit because our company has also developed the chip for communication by the infra-red,
IS1005c H01 MIO077 813.59 816.98 including all the stuff inside, so it will be very cheap for us. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 833.45 836.35 Um I have to check what I wanted to 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 819.04 824.49 So the once again the overall requirements, seven to seven centimetres for the board,
IS1005c H01 MIO077 837.91 848.88 Uh from my point of view I don't care about the about the material used for the overall des uh ov all the device. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 849.33 857.12 Can you fit any uh for example a T. F. T. or any electronic device in a spongy thing, or is there any problem for that? 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 857.12 863.12 For example, put electronic card on a spongy thing, I can I can imagine it could be a problem. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 869.65 872.08 But we have to take care of the T. F. T. . 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 863.34 869.65 A all these things in in uh in this box are okay to put in in any shape, basically. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 872.08 873.39 Well, sponginess. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 873.39 883.99 Maybe it a good feature, since it takes if it's around the T. F. T. then it's good, because it's just keeps it safe, I dunno. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 869.96 870.33 Yep. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 878.42 879.29 Okay. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 879.29 879.89 So 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 883.97 890.11 Well maybe it can have two shells, a hard shell inside and a spongy shell outside. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 884.45 884.75 So 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 894.87 895.33 maybe after. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 888.88 889.3 Okay. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 889.3 894.87 Maybe put electronic in a box and a spongy thing around. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 899.16 900.8 A Yeah, that's all from me. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 894.8 899.16 Well, it's maybe related to the U. I. . 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 895.22 895.52 So 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 896.53 896.77 Yeah. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 896.63 896.78 Ca 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 898.13 899.39 Can I ask a question. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 900.85 904.75 This seven inch T. F. T. screen, how big is it in reality? 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 902.97 903.25 Yeah? 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 905.48 907.05 Well, seven to seven inches. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 907.83 908.43 So like that. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 909.56 909.92 Yes. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 910.95 911.61 That's quite big. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 913.43 916.46 Uh uh have we decided that we're gonna use this T. F. T. screen? 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 917.44 918.14 Yeah but 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 921.23 925.01 Usually when they say seven inch I think it's the diagonal. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 929.33 930.27 But, yeah,. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 926.11 929.33 I dunno I dun I dun One each. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 925.01 926.11 Yeah. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 917.52 921.23 No, I don't think it's seven by seven, I think it's seven the diagonal is seven. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 919.49 921.18 To be honest, I was 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 922 924.26 But I mean even even that is like this big. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 922.42 923.35 Yeah yes. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 930.45 935.89 Yeah, honestly speaking I was thinking that it was seven centimetres initially, but it's seven inches. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 935.89 937.72 But I I think we can we can cut it. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 934 934.52 Yeah. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 939.09 941.86 You can cut the T. F. T. screen. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 939.6 944.88 Let's go. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 940.31 948.19 Yeah, no no problem, because because because then the size of the graphic card will be one fourth. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 948.19 948.83 So 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 947.84 952.23 So let's cut the T. F. T. . 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 950.13 952.3 Yeah, but no problem to to me to cut the screen. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 952.55 952.75 Mm. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 952.82 953.74 Okay, so 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 953.92 956.62 So so for the same price we have four screens now. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 955.52 956.56 Mm. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 957.17 957.45 Okay. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 958.01 959.39 These technical engineers, huh. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 959.81 961.22 So, what's the size of the device? 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 962.34 966.96 Ah well this is like this is almost nothing. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 966.96 970.19 Seven to seven to at least well some three millimetres or something. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 970.16 974.12 Even from my perspective seven t seven centimetres by seven centimetres is still 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 975.8 979.74 Yeah, but we wanted the big buttons and stuff like that, you know. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 977.46 978.7 Is it Can you hold that, or? 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 980.94 985.14 Because if it's t too small we can we can lose it, at home, you know. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 989.52 992.12 Uh uh with big buttons. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 992.12 994.03 It's difficult. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 986.62 989.52 He wants a small remote control, or? 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 985.57 986.62 What user wants. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 994.03 994.82 A sm 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 989.33 990.05 Uh. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 989.46 991.66 Yeah, a small c control that they can hold in hand. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 989.83 992.49 I thought that it it should fit in the hand or something. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 991.97 992.43 Yes. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 994.13 997 But is something that's seven centimetres square e easy to hold? 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 999.79 1008.34 I if the roller buttons are on the side you don't have to catch it like that, but just like this, and you know follow follow Well,
IS1005c H01 MIO077 998.08 999.79 W I I think so. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1008.34 1013.65 that's that's no task for me, but well seven to seven at least yeah, but 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1010.95 1016.81 So maybe you can finish your presentation, and afterwards we will discuss about all this. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1014.92 1015.89 Maybe this. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1017.37 1019.61 Okay thanks. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1015.1 1017.37 Oh, okay. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1015.46 1015.73 Okay. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1020.18 1020.8 So. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1018.78 1020.18 Okay. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1018.22 1018.78 That's it. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1025.39 1027.71 No. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1036.44 1044.13 so I think we have to do some work to finalise our idea and take decisions. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1059.04 1071.11 Because can we have L. C. D. and speech recognition with battery, and it's also r related to the size of the of the devi of the device? 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1044.13 1057 Uh first I think energy it's a key problem because uh it depend what can we have as feature if we use only batteries,
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1032.97 1036.44 Uh, so I think we have a lot We have to take decision today 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1057 1059.04 for example, or something like that. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1064.47 1064.76 Not 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1079.44 1085.39 then it's okay for L. uh speech recognition and L. C. D., so no problem in energy, I think. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1073.85 1079.44 If we use the batteries, and the additional so solar cell,
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1070.21 1073.85 J uh just a point to the energy th things. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1083.73 1084.78 Okay. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1084.78 1086.01 So Okay. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1089.01 1089.56 Otherwise not. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1086.48 1089.01 But we have to use the solar cell. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1086.53 1087.41 So but 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1093.56 1098.39 Are are what Maybe what is the size of the battery 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1089.04 1093.56 Uh like but using how many batteries, for example? 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1097.51 1100.24 Yeah I was thinking just common A. A. cells. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1101.78 1103.75 Uh one two 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1101.4 1101.78 Okay. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1101.96 1105.65 So like three to five centimetres, I dunno exactly, but. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1104.96 1105.18 Okay. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1107.02 1112.74 So if we use s solar cells, um where is the sun if someone's watching T. V. inside? 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1109.6 1110.02 S 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1111.94 1114.04 Uh d doesn't need to be sun. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1114.04 1116.67 It it's just the daylight, you know. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1116.67 1118.15 Okay. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1117.74 1119.05 The television lights. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1117.85 1124.73 Yeah well I I suppose that I suppose that uh that this remote control won't be in the in the room like this,
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1124.73 1128.19 where there is light only when when there are people, but. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1126.82 1127.11 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1128.18 1134.06 At least when there is T. V. you can get light from the T. V. . 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1134.06 1134.6 I dunno. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1130.95 1134.13 Yeah from the T. I don't think it's enough, uh. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1131.88 1132.31 Yeah. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1134.8 1135.13 Okay. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1137.85 1138.15 Mm. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1136.9 1137.85 Okay. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1139.75 1141.91 Ah it's a it's a compromise, no? 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1144.58 1150.01 At least it's new and maybe technology New technology. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1150.01 1150.28 Yeah. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1148.42 1153.61 Yeah, that's why I wanted to to include the speech recognition, because you wanted all the new things. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1148.64 1150.24 It's it's quite innovative, yes. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1150.82 1151.18 Hmm. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1151.59 1151.91 Um. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1152.9 1157.45 And if you watch T. V. outside it's very useful. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1162.6 1169.06 Uh what what are gonna be the size, because its weight drives the other what we are going to use as features and so on. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1156.26 1162.6 So I think before talking about the other thing, it's important thing it's the case. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1169.06 1179.44 For example for the for the L. C. D., if we choose to have a small device, we cannot use this um a such a a a screen. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1178.72 1182.11 Uh the s the screen is okay, but the board, uh that's the problem. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1187.22 1188.7 Or what what would be the shape? 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1184.39 1187.22 Well what what would you guess as a shape? 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1187.57 1188.02 Mm. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1240.49 1251.52 So uh seven not seven but let's say five by ten it's I think it's that's my opinion. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1251.52 1252.21 It's easier. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1206.26 1215.74 And I prefer to is it shouldn't have a uniform shape, so in the middle it should be a little bit thinner, maybe maybe. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1194.36 1199.63 The only important thing is to be able to take it in uh inside hand easily. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1189.34 1194.36 I think I think their being uh large or small is not important. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1234.7 1240.49 I think uh seven centimetre by seven centimetre is a little bit large. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1199.63 1206.26 So let's say an average size, okay, and it should not be very heavy also. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1231.52 1234.7 So the general shape should be like this. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1218.92 1231.52 You can take uh some some joystick you can take inside hand easier because it's it's designed for your f uh taking into account your finger shape and your palm shape. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1215.74 1218.92 So we c it's like like some joysticks. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1200.94 1200.99 Mm. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1241.67 1242.11 Okay. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1251.33 1252.4 Which is the same area. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1253.29 1254.39 Okay. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1253.6 1255.25 Yeah. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1253.88 1255.97 Could you re could you redesign your board? 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1258.32 1259.19 Well that 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1256.55 1258.32 Five to ten. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1258.11 1260.52 Oh, five five centimetres by ten centimetres. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1292.63 1294.58 Well fi five to ten it would be feasible. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1260.5 1263.8 Yeah, right. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1272.75 1281.19 under the L. C. D. and for example make the L. C. D. be totally unrelated to the thing that you hold in your hand. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1270.22 1272.75 We could put the board next to, well 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1281.19 1287.31 Like holding something, and the L. C. D. to be just on top of it, you know somehow. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1263.8 1270.22 Yeah, I think it's feasib Well one um um How could we do it? 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1287.31 1292.63 Well But maybe let's stick to the s spongy thing, like one unit. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1261.77 1261.91 Yeah. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1274.81 1275.23 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1288.64 1288.88 Oh. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1292.28 1298.25 I've I s I think the easiest thing would be to to have a smaller L. C. D., if it's possible. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1297.85 1298.24 Mm. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1304.52 1305.26 I'll make it. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1300.52 1304.52 Okay, so five to ten, I I think it's it's feasible. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1303.43 1304.31 Okay. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1304.31 1306.33 So we are agree with a small 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1325.29 1326.78 Touching the screen. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1326.78 1328.67 Something like Mm like tactile. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1306.11 1313.59 Or uh or I don't know but I don't want to now invent something new, because we didn't discuss about it. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1313.59 1325.29 So using some L. C. D. s we can touch, so we can remove uh keys and just uh having uh, I dunno the name, L. C. D. responding to fingers. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1307.15 1308.32 Fo Five by ten. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1307.33 1308.33 L. C. D. . 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1325.02 1325.31 Yeah. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1327.02 1328.65 Tactile or something, yeah. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1328.65 1329.36 Touch screen, yeah. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1327.34 1328.32 Mm, touch screen. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1330.35 1339.66 So But for now if we don't want to use such kind of screens I I think we using a a smaller screen is better, because 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1334.72 1334.97 Yeah. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1340.1 1345.25 The problem is we have a limit in a month of time, so we cannot do something very new. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1344.22 1344.6 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1346.68 1348.72 So let's go for a small L. C. D. . 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1346.78 1347.26 So 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1347.3 1347.6 Okay, so 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1348.69 1356.74 Yeah, so so just just give me the the the five by ten numbers that you find the best and send it me and I will work it out. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1348.92 1349.55 A smaller s 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1353.66 1354.77 Yeah okay. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1355.19 1355.57 Okay. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1355.94 1357.15 So, five by s ten. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1359.01 1359.31 Hmm. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1366.31 1371.39 Um so what about, so the case we talked about. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1371.39 1381.05 Um something easy to use, you said something easy to use but how does that fit in a fashion way, like with fruit and vegetable,
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1381.05 1389.2 and about the colour and logo of the of the company and so on, now, can we do that? 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1392.42 1394.24 My first idea is because 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1395.38 1400.03 our colour is more yellow, and the it should be easy to take in a hand,
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1400.03 1405.07 I thought about banana, or something like that, which is fruits, and 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1405.17 1407.2 Seven to ten banana. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1406.72 1409.65 A big banana. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1410.59 1412.73 Rather mango or something or. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1409.04 1410.59 Okay. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1412.22 1412.86 Um. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1416.64 1421.88 I mean what other what other fruit and vegetables Do you know of any any other fruit and vegetables that are yellow? 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1412.34 1416.64 Well it's it's definitely the obvious choice, with the colour of our company. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1418.93 1421.06 I dunno what you think about, but 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1415.72 1417.04 Yeah. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1417.67 1418.93 But it's just an idea. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1417.04 1417.67 Yeah. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1421.89 1422.17 Yeah. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1424.02 1426.01 I dunno if it can fit with the technology. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1426.01 1428.2 You are the specialists of that. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1428.9 1429.79 You mean banana. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1432.36 1434.48 Well, but 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1436.27 1439.77 If it's If it If the banana is big enough. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1440.38 1444.81 So 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1441.67 1443.14 Then, yes. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1444.51 1446.93 But if you want to look at the screen, no. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1446.93 1448.52 Well 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1450.53 1451.07 Yeah, and 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1451.8 1454.25 I think this is not good. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1455.51 1461.48 Or it can be like a a shape, quite, uh with curves. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1452.64 1455.51 The screen has to be square? 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1458.4 1462.42 Well, it can be whatever you want. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1462.42 1467.24 But if it's square then we get four screens out of one by cutting just. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1467.24 1472.99 But if you want some shape then we can only get like two screens out of seven to seven inches, so. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1462.67 1463.45 It could. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1469.57 1469.84 Yeah. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1472.58 1472.78 Mm. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1479.37 1481.61 You know, if we fit this requirement. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1477.58 1479.37 But I don't care. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1474.07 1477.58 It's like more more expensive to have shape like that. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1480.2 1480.67 Well 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1484.4 1489.79 I think that's more important than saving a bit of money on on the T. F. T. screen. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1483.27 1484.4 I'd like a shaped screen. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1486.28 1486.71 Okay 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1486.3 1487.32 Okay okay. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1488.26 1488.64 Mm. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1489.67 1495.68 Yeah, m maybe the banana could be like a bit uh fatter than than the c c common one. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1495.68 1496.54 But 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1495.27 1504.45 Yeah, it should remember banana, but it's not doesn't have to b to be uh uh really the size and exactly the shape of a banana. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1494.58 1495.27 Yeah. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1499.17 1501.25 Like modified banana, okay. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1506.98 1509.08 Well it we'll stick to banana, or? 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1510.16 1510.4 Okay. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1507.33 1510.16 So we are agree with the banana thing? 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1509.11 1509.57 Okay. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1511.22 1511.41 Okay. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1509.57 1511.22 Yeah, banana's good. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1510.7 1511.08 Okay. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1513.49 1513.84 Mm-mm. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1524.76 1525.56 Everybody's agreed. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1518.07 1524.76 So, the last point we decided it's infra-red, I guess. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1524.05 1525.91 Yeah, I think infra-red. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1524.63 1525.37 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1526.27 1526.66 Sure. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1546.52 1550.91 In the last meeting we talked about uh hidden buttons. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1540.05 1546.52 So, uh about the user interface, so we are going to use L. C. D. . 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1528.28 1532.28 Uh, so that's it I think about the concepts. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1532.28 1540.05 You have other thing to add to this point, or uh no? 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1552.02 1554.8 I don't know what we are going to do with that. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1554.8 1557.71 You talked about the buttons on the side 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1554.9 1557.71 Like like peeling of the banana you s 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1556.79 1558.28 Yeah, peeling of the banana. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1560.93 1565.46 Peeling of the banana, you know, should should discover the other buttons, which are hidden. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1558.89 1560.93 It would be cool, yeah. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1558.92 1560.3 Mm what? 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1562.1 1562.54 Yeah. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1562.33 1565.98 Yeah. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1564.55 1564.91 Mm. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1574.49 1580.41 So Is it is it possible to do that? 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1567.43 1568.49 Okay. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1568.49 1574.49 And you mean the first layer would be spongy. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1580.41 1584.43 It would be a great idea, but is it possible technically? 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1571.75 1573.82 Yeah. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1572.43 1579 First layer obviously spo Yeah, w It's it's like silly, but the people will really appreciate it, yeah I think. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1586.19 1589.87 Uh 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1586.9 1591.22 Like doing a spongy layer of the banana, and you open it. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1595.56 1601 you know, to manipulate that to hav be a cover that you can pull off and 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1589.62 1595.56 I think if we if we have a spongy layer on the outside of the banana then it's easy to make that,
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1592.98 1593.12 Yeah. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1596.32 1596.92 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1597.16 1597.37 Yeah. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1598.42 1599.34 Yeah, some 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1598.43 1598.57 Yeah. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1612.44 1619.66 You open a plastic cover and you see some U. S. B. interfaces, some some interfaces for adaptor. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1629.16 1631.35 So, something like this. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1619.66 1623.61 So keys can be uh buttons can be covered like this 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1601.31 1610.67 Something like a plastic cover covering uh some interface, U. S. B. interface as in the in uh digital camera. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1623.61 1629.16 with a plastic cover and uh when uh and when you open this cover it's like peeling a banana. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1610.67 1612.44 If you see it's like peeling. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1632.77 1634.23 Yeah, but do you see that as a 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1635.39 1641.44 rigid thing, or like like a banana, something very soft, you can open like banana, or. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1642.45 1644.55 Well is it possible to make it soft? 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1644.68 1648.62 Yeah, yeah, yeah it's a lic like a plastic cover, so. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1645.4 1645.55 Yeah. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1647.9 1650.35 So I think if it's so then it's cool? 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1648.77 1655.08 So, I dunno what you think, Bob, but it would be great for users I think, and very good for marketing. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1653.75 1654.79 I think for sure. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1654.79 1655.3 Definitely. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1655.3 1656.05 The softer the better. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1656.48 1658.95 Yeah. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1656.73 1659.01 Cool. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1659.65 1659.77 Yeah. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1662.83 1668.66 Honestly speaking, I cannot imagine it, so far, but it will be terrible. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1665.63 1666.7 Yeah. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1668.06 1670.73 Um. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1673.06 1673.22 Mm. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1673.22 1674.48 And setting buttons 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1676.71 1677.09 hidden in. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1697.02 1700.24 Mm, other remarks, or something, or. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1701.93 1704.75 Something we didn't talk about yes yet, or. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1707.39 1707.91 I think 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1709.6 1712.53 we are almost there. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1712.53 1716.68 Uh maybe, how can we, if we have a soft thing, 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1718.12 1725.17 like this, and to open it we have to attach it somewhere, I dunno how to do that technically, or. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1726.75 1727.15 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1727.17 1728.54 And how 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1727.8 1728.73 Pof. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1728.54 1729.48 We could use Velcro. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1730.14 1731.23 Yeah, maybe. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1730.88 1733.16 Or uh ma maybe a magnetic 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1733.86 1735.5 Yes, yeah it's a good idea. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1736.23 1736.44 thing. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1736.77 1737.94 Magnetic. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1736.94 1739.87 Ma magnetic oh. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1755.54 1760.59 so it's it sticks like refrigerator door, completely. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1739.06 1739.58 Mm. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1739.58 1755.54 Yeah or a Yeah it can is it can be a plastic cover uh sticking to the to the all the stuff like uh with magnetic p uh magnetic uh magnetic uh materials in the border,
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1761.28 1761.77 Okay. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1765.28 1776.24 So you you can be sure that it will not be open while you're uh while while uh you are commonly using uh buttons on the banana. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1761.65 1765.28 And when you try to open it, it will be opened easily. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1775.69 1776.33 Okay. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1786.84 1790.56 And what would be the matter here of the first layer I mean? 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1791.98 1792.74 Mm. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1792.74 1793.19 Likes. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1794.92 1796.33 Soft plastic, or 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1796.77 1800.33 Yeah, I imagine some sort of vinyl thing. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1799.8 1801.16 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1801.52 1805.96 In a in a sort of a with a suede sort of feel. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1807.3 1807.66 Maybe. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1807.83 1818.86 Well since since the since the things like the like the screen and um how to say that, solar cell has to be has to be like kept 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1820.52 1829.64 kept in the shape, we cannot b uh So we need that the that the peeling 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1831.22 1831.43 uh 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1832.96 1837.52 I dunno but we should we should take care of these two two things. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1837.52 1843.3 So, if if uh the solar cell won't be visible while the banana is closed,
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1849.98 1852.44 So that we can reach the energy out of it out of that. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1843.3 1849.98 then the material must be able to put the light inside, you know. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1855.02 1860.95 So you're saying is it possible to have a solar cell and this removable cover and 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1854.32 1855.02 Mm. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1854.66 1854.91 Mm. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1860.26 1862.75 It is possible, but, well if it 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1862.5 1863.93 And a and a banana. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1864.19 1864.64 Mm. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1864.61 1865.98 I dunno. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1875.42 1876.81 or or inside. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1876.81 1880.78 But then it must be some window there, you know. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1865.98 1875.42 I dunno how to how to do it if if t if to if it's better to put the solar cell to the t to the peeling or outside it 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1874.84 1874.98 Hmm. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1875.32 1875.45 Yeah. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1880.34 1880.64 Okay. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1880.84 1881.18 Mm. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1882.95 1889 And something we forgot, maybe, uh about the speech recognition system, are we going to use it, or not? 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1890.35 1891.94 Yes, I think. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1891.94 1892.87 I think so. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1897.14 1897.77 And 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1891.7 1892.49 I think it's important. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1892.49 1897.14 I think One of our p priorities is tech technology. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1909.58 1912.22 So we add also the speech recognition device. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1897.21 1905.07 So we have the de design, the a good shape, new and so on, and we have also the technology thing w will be. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1905.07 1909.58 And even the easy to use thing, so it will be perfect. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1892.26 1897.21 It i Yeah, it seems feasible, and it would be something very great. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1897.02 1897.18 Mm. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1901.19 1901.65 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1904.87 1905.13 Mm-hmm. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1905.27 1905.39 Mm. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 1908.39 1908.49 Mm. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1909.79 1910.07 Yeah. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1910.61 1910.79 Yeah. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 1912.32 1912.87 I agree. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1921.94 1923.34 So, that great. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1924.73 1928.48 And think we are on a good way. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1923.34 1924.73 We have decided everything. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1930.34 1931.24 So, um 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1933.41 1937.25 uh the next meeting will start in thirty minutes. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1961.17 1966.29 And the the Marketing Expert will do the first project evaluation. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1950.35 1961.17 The User Interface uh uh Mana uh Manager will work on the user interface device. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1938.61 1950.35 Um, so uh the the Industrial Manager uh will uh will work on the look and feel design. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 1966.8 1967.08 Okay. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1973.07 1975.39 And uh, yeah, I 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1968.02 1973.07 So, I hope you can do that in thirty minutes. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1976.68 1986.5 uh I think you should work together, s you uh Hamed and Peter, to work uh in a in a first prototype, and uh 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1994.81 1999.15 And um as usual you will receive some specific instructions on. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1999.15 2003.95 So thank you all everybody, and see you in thirty minutes. 
IS1005c H00 MIO055 1987.97 1994.81 more about the shape and so on and how you can manage to put everything together. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 2000.89 2001.13 Okay. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 2004.28 2005.09 Okay. 
IS1005c H03 MIE002 2005.09 2005.36 Thank you. 
IS1005c H01 MIO077 2005.2 2005.47 Okay. 
IS1005c H02 MIO076 2006.4 2006.82 Thank you. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 19.68 19.93 Oops. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 21.23 22.95 So, hello everyone. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 36.11 42.19 I'm the Project Manager Christa Pavlov and okay let's begin. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 22.95 36.11 We're here to have a kick-off meeting for the design of a f for the beginning of new project um uh remote control for the design for a new remote control. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 45.4 46.17 So 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 47.98 66.67 I'm first going to do an opening then we get used to one anothers and we speak about this tool we're going to design and try to make a project plan 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 66.67 70.81 some discussion and then we talk of uh the next meeting. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 73.68 79.67 So um we want to to do a new remote control. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 79.67 83.43 It has to be original, trendy and user friendly. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 86.85 98.96 Um I think the important points we have to t talk about are uh it's functional design, it's conceptual design, and desail detailed design. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 100.08 108.89 and for that we're going um all to work individually and then have meeting during the whole day. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 111.62 120.42 Um, so let's try the whiteboard. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 120.42 125.06 Um so any of you who want to go. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 116.56 118.68 Wow. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 133.41 135.97 And it's gonna be you'll try to guess. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 128.04 133.41 It's gonna be not my favourite one but the one I can draw. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 124.48 128.04 Yeah, for favourite animals. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 137.15 138.31 Wow. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 145.85 148.65 Complex. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 146.83 150.35 Wow. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 150.94 151.35 Huh? 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 153.16 153.47 A cat. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 154.56 155.96 No. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 155.79 158.3 No. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 157.01 158 Darn. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 156.19 157.01 No. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 159.51 159.72 Uh. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 160.08 160.49 A rabbit. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 163.41 164.31 That's my favourite one. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 161.11 163.41 Yes, that's a rabbit. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 163.3 163.76 A what? 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 163.69 165.07 A rabbit. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 170.29 172.6 Okay mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 164.64 170.29 A r a rabbit, oh oh yeah, where is the carrot? 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 165.01 165.41 Rabbit. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 169.38 172.71 That's it. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 173.42 174.18 You want to go? 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 179.62 183.36 My favourite animal is 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 174.79 179.62 I am not very good at uh this kind of stuff. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 175.9 178.33 Hmm. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 185.02 187.46 You wa 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 186.19 193.58 Wow. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 188.52 191.78 A human ah. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 193.98 200.27 It's a very complex animal and um yeah. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 189.3 191.19 Guess. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 200.27 205.78 Characteristics of this this animal is dangerous. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 191.19 193.98 A human, yay. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 196.92 197.61 No. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 208.04 210.4 Mm I think you're supposed to, yeah. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 208.85 211.66 Is the white okay. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 225.14 225.36 Hmm. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 226.1 232.11 I guess you can. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 228.44 229.16 Wow. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 229.16 229.81 That's cobra. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 233.02 234.23 Cobra? 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 234.23 236.97 Exactly. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 230.36 233.02 Ah, a kind of uh snake? 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 234.4 235.81 Yeah uh not really. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 235.81 238.47 Small cobra. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 236.72 238.34 No, it just small cobra, yeah. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 238.45 239.49 Uh-huh. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 240.76 241.5 Or 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 238.68 240.76 Is that a worm? 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 239.78 244.32 It's co c quite recognisable. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 245.69 249.95 What about you uh Christa? 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 246.29 253.91 Uh yeah Christa Pavlov Mm. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 249.52 251.17 Chris. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 249.96 251.83 Christa Christa. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 259.52 260.58 A fish. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 261.33 261.6 Mm. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 261.92 262.77 Hmm. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 262.43 265.66 Smiling fish. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 262.95 265.52 Smile fish. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 263.57 268.66 Okay. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 271.35 272.74 Good. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 268.41 271.35 So, w whiteboard is working? 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 267.37 268.41 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 263.75 267.37 A smiling fish. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 272.74 273.82 Next. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 267.97 268.23 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 270.45 272.69 Yeah. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 270.47 273.87 Yeah. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 274.82 276.08 Let's talk about money. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 273.87 274.82 Next. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 274.83 279.57 Just tr try to guess who is a User Interface Designer. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 286.26 286.83 Okay. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 279.57 286.26 According to the drawings. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 277.87 281.06 Yeah, well. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 280.91 287.1 Yeah, you're 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 282.8 285.36 Not me. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 287.66 289.22 So. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 289.27 292.6 Twenty five Euro for a remote control. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 287.85 289.27 So. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 299.45 303.66 We aim to do this profit. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 291.73 299.45 Yeah, mm that's the price we want to that's the aim for the price for the remote control. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 293.86 294.02 Hmm. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 295.61 295.93 Okay. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 304.65 308.81 'tis big number. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 305.06 309.19 On the international market. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 309.27 309.81 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 307.64 309.27 Yeah. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 309.39 311.33 Yeah, we're to sell two million then. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 311.75 312.19 Wow. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 313.18 313.42 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 313.73 321.05 Mm for a production cost of mm twelve fifty Euros maximum. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 322.38 323.69 'Kay. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 327.2 331.54 So any of you have experience in remote controls? 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 336.15 340.77 In fact, my daughter likes l remote controls. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 332.11 336.15 Uh yes, we have plenty at home. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 341.27 347.33 Yeah, mainly, and to break. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 340.77 341.27 To eat? 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 332.36 332.87 Mm yeah. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 338.5 340.21 That 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 339.85 343.16 To eat? 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 339.2 339.85 Mm. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 351.15 351.87 Mm mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 344.48 348.8 So that could be a great um application. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 348.8 351.15 Remote controls children proof. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 350.97 351.33 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 351.93 352.89 Ye ye yeah. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 351.33 351.93 Yeah. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 352.08 353.02 Children proof. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 353.97 354.22 Hmm. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 354.52 361.48 So she likes uh buttons which make click, so it has to click. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 356.72 357.53 Okay. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 356.83 357.54 Yeah, pret 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 361.76 365.83 So they have to be waterproof maybe? 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 365.83 368.92 'Cause they eat she ate it. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 364.26 380.04 It has to be uh wha baby proof yeah but mainly it has to be very robust because even if she's not very tall she's uh high enough so that uh when she throw it away it's uh 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 372.1 372.31 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 372.59 372.72 Yeah. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 380.06 380.4 Ah. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 381.08 382.62 So it has to be very robust. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 382.63 383.9 Okay, unbreakable. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 384.32 385.28 Unbreakable, yeah. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 385.01 385.41 Uh-huh. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 385.37 388.12 Yeah, we have some child lock or something, yeah. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 388.59 388.85 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 389.39 389.64 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 390.31 390.86 And uh 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 392 395.9 it has to be nice looking, 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 396.51 396.81 Yeah. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 397.04 398.22 colourful, maybe 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 397.76 399.43 Colourful, yeah mm. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 398.5 399.28 Colourful? 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 399.28 400.11 That's not practical. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 399.54 410.15 colourful, because uh nobody has colourful remote control, they're always black, yeah, but this one could be I dunno, purple or b 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 400.26 400.52 Yeah. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 401.83 403.06 No, that's a good idea. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 402.1 404.43 Yeah, it's always black or yeah. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 404.01 404.5 Mm mm-mm. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 404.04 404.59 No. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 408.12 413.16 But how gonna okay, just uh but it's uh monochrome it's n it's not like 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 408.44 409.18 Yeah. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 412 412.19 Yeah. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 412.66 413.53 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 413.53 416.08 No, because you think, why not. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 413.55 413.96 Yeah. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 415.27 415.71 One colour. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 415.68 417.22 Otherwise you will never find it. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 416.87 417.05 Yeah. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 417.57 418.47 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 419.61 424.09 Like the uh like the phones and these things we c yeah. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 424.09 427.36 At least for children like one colour and. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 418.1 419.61 Yeah even we can change colours, no? 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 420.52 423.79 Oh like the phones, yeah, it could change colours, yeah. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 422.49 422.98 Cool. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 423.48 423.93 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 425.1 425.38 Ch 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 426.02 427.1 Yeah. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 428.47 428.67 Good. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 428.94 429.49 Good idea. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 430.04 433.22 And it should be really small and. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 433.67 434.64 Small also? 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 434.64 435.31 Don't you think 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 434.81 437.76 Huh not so big like yeah. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 437.31 440.49 No uh, not too much buttons or mm. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 439.79 441.28 Yeah, not too much buttons and 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 442.83 452.16 y you know these uh remote controls where um they are what they call a universal ret remote control so y you can decide that now it's the remote control for the television,
IS1006a H03 MIO008 441.79 442.83 Should it be 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 452.16 461.45 then it's the remote control for the the sound system, or for your refrigerator whatever I dunno if it's 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 448.47 448.88 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 454.45 454.63 Uh. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 455.82 456.1 Yeah. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 457.9 461.21 Yeah, that's 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 462.74 466.05 Or if we should have a targeted re remote control. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 466.28 467.02 Okay. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 467.31 476.5 So colour, robustness, easy to use, size, yeah, size matters, yeah. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 469.16 470.79 So, I think there's 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 475.2 476.73 Colour, size, sh 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 474.15 475.2 Yeah. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 475.92 477.96 So you you think it's better if small 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 479.53 480.27 than bigger. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 480.74 484.38 Yeah, maybe at least n not bigger than this I guess. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 480.89 481.13 Mm. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 483.78 488.02 Yeah, but without any extremes like n not of this size, not too large. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 488.02 488.95 Okay. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 486.88 488.34 No, not too small, yeah. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 487.11 491.71 Yeah yeah, at least it should hold in your hand n properly, like. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 488.2 488.66 Yeah. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 492.1 492.21 Hmm. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 492.18 493.42 Yeah, like a palm sized. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 493.32 494.96 Yeah. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 493.99 494.44 Mm. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 494.26 495.1 Just to hold it. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 496.1 496.38 Okay. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 502.43 504.39 I dunno if 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 498.65 502.43 But uh what would be different from this, from the others? 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 510.1 512.08 S so then it depends you are to 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 509.57 510.1 Mm. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 504.15 509.57 Uh maybe we can change the colours that at least the frame. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 509.33 511.12 Yeah, at least the colour would be different. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 513.4 513.67 Mm. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 513.48 516.86 Mm I mean you c you can easily remove the frame. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 516.02 523.52 I think one thing important for instance in this remote control if you remember when people use it they're they never find a good button in the right place. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 522.87 523.67 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 523.11 523.53 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 523.64 528.24 For some reason they they they click the off button when they want to use the 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 524.82 525.13 Yeah. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 527.54 527.89 Yeah. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 528.27 532.64 So there's a problem in the design of that kind of remote control somehow, I dunno. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 531.54 532.22 Mm. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 532.22 543.29 So, some kind of idea uh with um um cellular phone with a a screen that will tell you what no. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 542.32 544.64 No, no screens, it's too complex. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 544.63 545.1 Okay. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 544.86 546.73 Too expensive for twelve Euro? 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 545.04 546.41 Mm. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 546.41 547.35 Too expensive, yeah. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 546.95 551.94 And n maybe not too expensive, well it's not my problem, but well okay. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 551.94 554.92 But no screens on remote controls. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 547.64 548.66 And too expensive. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 551.28 551.54 Ah. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 554.96 555.6 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 555.6 563.34 I thought it could be only a screen which would change depending on uh uh the use or even the user. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 555.2 555.37 Mm. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 563.41 567.75 So ma I prefer to have the off button at the top right,
IS1006a H03 MIO008 567.75 576.45 so I would have my own design of the remote control because it's in fact just a a full touch screen remote control, if you if you like. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 563.87 564.04 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 567.32 567.8 Ye yeah. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 572.98 573.42 Hmm. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 576.4 579.99 I mean it it's like it's like two types no? 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 579.99 584.7 people are right handed or left handed so y because I am left handed I use like this 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 584.7 592.45 say if you're right handed you use like this or so tha your switch on and off should be on yeah. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 576.77 578.04 I don't know if it makes sense, but 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 578.04 578.45 Mm-mm. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 582.2 584.01 Yeah, for instance, mm. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 585.7 586.97 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 586.63 587.2 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 587.2 587.82 Mm mm mm. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 586.65 586.97 Mm. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 590.76 593.7 So adaptable yeah something yeah. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 593.36 597.48 Alright, good, so how many actions do we need to implement in it? 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 592.53 593.36 Adaptable. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 592.64 594.45 Maybe, if if it's possible, yeah. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 593.37 594.88 Mm huh. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 598.17 603.78 Maybe I think even we can keep two switches and then we can uh only make one working. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 598.28 599.11 On off? 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 600.5 600.69 Yeah. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 604.09 613.39 We can adapt only one switch, suppose here like we can make two switches and if I'm left-hander I use this switch to follow the main operations. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 612.92 616.63 I mean if it's less than three uh then we can make it uh like a 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 617.16 617.44 Two. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 617.84 619.01 Three buttons you mean? 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 618.75 623.95 like three mental states, yeah you know what I mean, we can just make it uh 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 619.88 620.45 Three option. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 621.09 622.94 Ah. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 623.4 623.57 Yeah. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 624.6 624.89 Yeah. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 625.7 626 Um. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 625.8 631.41 controlled by a brain, huh? 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 627.32 630.12 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 630.12 637.24 Maybe if it's more, if there is a software inside that ask you three 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 629.02 631.45 Mm-hmm, yeah, sure. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 639.26 639.79 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 641.38 642.67 Hmm. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 642.67 648.78 If it if we want a r universal remote control that we sa like we say before it may 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 650.04 656.1 may need more than three mm three button, three mm possibilities, ye yeah. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 654.36 656.28 Sh sure, sure. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 654.37 657.36 Yeah, more than three actions that you may want to do at a given time. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 655.49 656.29 Mm yeah. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 657.69 658.02 Yeah. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 659.68 666.62 But for standard actions you usually what do you do, you change channels, you adjust volume, and nothing else. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 668 675.96 Yeah but for instance when you change channels you can have you can just go to the next one or go to channel twenty five. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 673.8 674.06 Mm. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 675.24 675.55 Yeah. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 675.92 676.39 Mm. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 676.53 679.87 And that's already more complex to go to channel twenty five. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 680.36 681.07 You do this? 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 679.32 680.36 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 682 682.13 Yeah. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 685.56 689.34 Because I'm only using three or four channels but 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 682.33 685.56 Uh no. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 683.14 685.18 I usually just change channels. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 687.53 690.1 Yeah. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 690.1 698.26 But they keep generally their t slash slash uh this thing and then the dash dash and then you can put yeah, you can only have one bit. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 697.22 704.42 I change channel like this, m uh I want to go to twenty five, and then to ten, uh-huh mm yeah. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 696.56 697.22 Yeah. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 699.28 699.63 Dash. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 702.96 707.11 And then back to the one I was before, so there's whichever it was. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 705.24 708.13 Also we can be here yeah, that would be cool. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 709.47 710.43 I once had it. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 707.57 709.47 Go back button is good. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 706.26 707.57 Uh-huh. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 706.41 707.19 Yeah you can yeah. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 707.96 708.15 Yeah. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 712.29 719.78 Yeah e even the history so you could like uh undo previous of the previous. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 708.21 708.68 Yeah. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 708.68 712.29 Uh uh we had that in in other countries. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 709.96 712.23 Yeah yeah, the previous button is. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 711.41 712.84 Mm yeah. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 712.9 713.31 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 714.36 714.78 Uh, okay. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 715.61 719.29 History. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 716.1 719.46 Oh uh. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 735.61 738.97 Yeah maybe it's a 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 719.88 728.26 Then you can watch what your ah you could also record your record your sequence of actions,
IS1006a H03 MIO008 728.26 735.61 that becomes more complex, but you could look at what uh the other people have used there or remote controls. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 721.19 721.38 Uh. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 723.95 724.24 Yeah. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 732.96 737.13 Yeah yeah, what the which channels the viewer 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 734.36 734.76 Mm-mm. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 738.16 739.24 Okay. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 739.24 741.42 So I think we have full of idea. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 740.63 741.11 Okay. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 743.28 752.19 Um we're going to meet again in thirty minutes and uh I want you to mm 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 753.17 755.38 work on these ideas and try to make a 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 757.33 765.91 uh the ones, make um to decide what what are the ones important and what are the one that we don't want. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 767.03 773.5 And um m maybe more in the technical parts what uh do we want to do. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 775.45 776.13 Um. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 778.12 785.58 So um your personal coach will send you some instruction for for this thirty minutes. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 785.7 787.57 So what does M. E. means? 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 787.57 789.03 M. E. the user requirements? 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 789.03 790.86 Or that's uh that's for us? 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 790.71 791.66 Market Expert. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 791.64 795.23 Marketing yeah. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 791.69 796.29 Mm. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 791.79 792.96 Uh that's me. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 792.96 800.16 Oh, of course yeah, the user requirement specifications, uh-huh, yeah. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 799.67 800.01 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 802.79 803.4 I'll think of that. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 801.58 802.79 Okay. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 802.62 803.02 Mm okay. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 810.34 810.71 So. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 811.43 811.74 So? 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 812.12 813.17 I think that's all. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 813.57 814.5 Meeting's over? 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 814.5 816.99 Great. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 814.62 814.92 Yeah. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 814.88 815.33 Okay. 
IS1006a H02 MIO078 817.33 817.77 Thank you. 
IS1006a H03 MIO008 818.44 818.77 Thank you. 
IS1006a H01 MIO040 818.97 819.77 Thank you everybody. 
IS1006a H00 FIO041 819.27 820.57 See you in thirty minutes. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 25.59 26.04 So 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 27.19 28.2 So 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 27.84 32.46 I hope you're ready for this uh functional design meeting. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 32.97 34.72 Of course. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 35.75 43.24 Um so I will take the minutes you mm you three are going to do presentation. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 44.37 67.83 Um uh we want to know to at the end to know the new project's requirement so we need uh to know the the user uh needs that we want to fulfil to fulfil the from the technical part we want to know how it going to work and um 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 69.19 75.5 third part uh I don't remember which is not very good. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 80.73 86.2 Ah of course, how to to design this uh this yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 85.31 86.73 Nice stuff 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 88.85 89.21 So 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 90.85 97.47 um let's go for the three presentations, so first um Marketing Expert. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 94.24 94.98 Who starts? 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 97.93 100.56 okay. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 102.85 103.27 Yeah? 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 100.56 102.85 So I dunno if I can do that like this? 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 96.92 97.93 Ha. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 95.75 96.92 Oh. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 99.19 100.68 So wait a minute. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 100.68 101.07 Mm. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 105.8 108.62 So it's being modified. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 111.85 115.36 I hope I saved it. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 108.62 110.93 Do you want yeah, open. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 110.93 111.85 Read only. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 115.36 119.9 So, um yeah, this is my name. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 116.03 117.89 Sammy Benjo. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 117.89 121.09 I know this name uh. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 121.09 121.77 We met before. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 118.88 121 Sounds uh 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 124.83 134.71 I am the expert in marketing and I want to tell you about what people uh s want and uh like and dislike in remote controls 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 134.71 138.33 and I hope this is going to help you to to design it correctly. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 138.33 139.68 So next please. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 121.2 124.83 So as you know, you I think you already know me, Sammy Benjo. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 140.79 141.91 Uh-oh. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 141.51 143.18 Mm uh. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 142.53 143.87 Yeah, it is put F. five. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 145.22 146.28 Hmm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 145.35 145.68 Hmm. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 146.72 149.08 The full page presentation, yep. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 148.6 153.18 Yeah maybe in the full page because i I spent lots of time doing this presentation, so. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 149.94 151.01 F. F. five. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 150.19 150.51 Okay. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 151.18 151.33 Yep. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 150.62 151.18 Yeah. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 152.63 153.15 F. five. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 154.02 154.31 Yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 154.06 156.24 Uh-huh hmm okay. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 157.41 157.65 Mm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 156.26 157.41 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 174.69 181.24 what they don't like and um and what they do with them by the way because they are supposed to be useful. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 158.69 168.25 So basically uh what I suggest is that uh instead of deciding ourself what what could be and what should be a good uh remote control,
IS1006b H03 MIO008 168.25 174.69 let's ask people who are users of remote controls how they feel about w the current remote controls, what they like 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 181.61 183.14 Don't forget about that. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 183.14 194.48 So we've we've conducted a a survey on on the use of uh remote controls and I'd like to show you some of the results we found on this survey. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 196.46 197.58 And next please. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 198.88 209.25 Yeah, so basically what we found was that uh there are several things that the user don't like in remote controls. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 220.52 225.58 not nice shape, I mean they're all the same, and they're not l good looking. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 213.8 220.52 Current remote controls as you know they're the same as this one uh they're not nice colour,
IS1006b H03 MIO008 210.44 213.8 First of all, they find it very ugly. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 236.58 243.24 so I think we should probably spend lots of time in and effort in that um. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 227.8 236.58 Um what is interesting is that in fact it seems that they were people are ready to pay for nice and look and fancy looking uh remote control 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 243.72 258.08 And the other thing is that uh the the current remote controls are not so easy to use and it it the the current uh facilities that they offer do not match what people really want to use their remote controls. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 259.07 272.64 For instance uh we see that uh they zap very often so I think this is a very uh important uh functionality that it should be easy for them to to zap uh in one way or another. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 277.72 287.92 so I think we should design something where some of the buttons which are those that are used should be easier to see and use than others that only a couple of people are using. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 273.04 277.72 And most of the buttons uh on uh current remote controls are not used 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 289.88 293.6 Um next please. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 293.6 310.38 Now people are very frustrated w with their remote controls and they for instance uh they don't even find it it's it's often lost somewhere in the in the in your home and nobody knows where it is. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 310.16 310.39 Yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 324.48 330.51 Uh of course phone you can always phone your phone but you can't phone your your remote control. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 310.45 316.08 Maybe if we have something where we could ask the remote control please, where are you? 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 331.19 331.43 Yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 320.11 324.48 Some of the phones have some of this kind of s functionality. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 316.08 320.11 Like uh something to to like t I think phones. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 330.51 331.19 But why not? 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 310.91 311.31 Agree. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 311.97 312.18 Yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 315.2 316.58 Yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 327.23 330.14 You can you are. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 329.8 331.71 Why not? 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 333.24 340.38 And because of the fact that there are so many buttons in these remote controls that nobody use, in fact they don't even know how to use them 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 340.38 346.96 so most of the the people say they they don't know how to they to use properly their r remote controls. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 338.1 338.31 Hmm. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 361.34 363.44 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 365.7 367.9 Well I'll check uh with my 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 354.52 361.34 So I think they are bad. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 363.44 365.7 Mm nobody has any idea about that? 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 347.58 354.52 And uh they are bad for R. S. I. but uh I don't remember what is R. S. I. . 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 354.32 360.14 Okay uh tha that's look great. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 356.34 361.36 R. S. I. mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 366.88 371.52 Yeah, it's electromagnetic waves or something kind of maybe uh effect. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 369.44 374.05 Oh, okay, I think it's a technical thing which our 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 370.2 372.11 No, I don't think so. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 372.85 378.49 Yeah, because infrared uses some electromagnetic technology, and those waves have high 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 375.53 375.96 Okay. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 376.48 376.86 Okay. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 375.69 376.48 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 378.41 380.32 But twenty six percent, do you know 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 377.13 378.41 Okay. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 377.54 385.93 So, it seems that it's a lot of people for a concept that we don't know but we have to take this into account. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 380.27 386.8 Or something we don't know. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 386.8 388.23 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 380.53 380.67 Uh. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 381.72 384.68 Twenty five. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 384.44 384.62 Uh. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 385.89 388.38 Every fourth, you know. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 388.38 390.65 Every four some of us knows. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 387.16 387.96 Yeah it's 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 388.84 390.19 People really 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 391.8 392.09 Okay. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 392.56 396.94 So anyway that's for what the biggest frustration uh of the user and um 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 393.18 393.6 One of us 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 398.09 398.21 Yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 397.9 398.09 Yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 398.18 399.65 what else do I have? 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 399.65 400.37 Next slide? 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 401.95 403.25 Ah yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 403.25 404.83 So we've listed a couple of uh 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 402.46 403.01 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 405.49 405.8 Functions. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 429.33 431.76 but it is very relevant. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 406 429.33 s uh functions that may be uh used by u the user in the current uh available uh remote controls and uh well the tables look very nice to read but what is important is to understand that the power button is not used often because in general you use it only once per session 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 434.76 440.96 Channel selection is uh o often used very often used and indeed uh very relevant. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 431.96 434.76 People want to have a power button. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 448.88 457.13 Ah now I remember what is R. S. I. it's repetitivity stress injury. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 458.52 470.51 We have to be careful with that word but uh anyway I continue my presentation so yeah, channel selection is um very important, very often used. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 461.8 462.14 Uh. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 483.04 487.41 Audio settings, screen settings, even teletext and channel settings. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 470.94 478.5 Volume is not often used but people uh want to have control on volume and that makes sense of course. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 478.5 483.04 And n then you have things which are very much less often used like the settings. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 491.8 501.98 It seems that people find teletext teletext uh relevant, even if I personally never use it but seems that it's average relevant at least, so. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 488.51 491.8 they're not often used and they are s more or less relevant. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 487.5 488.51 All of them. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 501.9 510.37 I have been told that we uh don't consider teletext, that it's out of date now because of internet. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 519.51 523.76 which is not as uh these these two one were had I think ten I think. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 510.47 519.51 I can tell you that uh in a l in a scale between one and ten relevant uh not relevant to relevant people scored a six on this 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 523.16 523.5 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 528.73 529.79 Not very relevant, so 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 523.88 528.73 But but if you compare with these ones, uh I think they scored a one or two. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 529.03 529.26 Hmm. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 531.39 538.19 if if there are good reason not to put teletext it's okay but just know that people find it somehow relevant. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 538.23 538.41 Mm-hmm 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 538.36 538.69 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 540.36 547.67 That's for the main functions I think and uh then we can ask uh ourself uh what people don't have that may be useful. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 547.67 550.47 For instance I think net next slide. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 552.61 561.45 One of the thing the trend uh that uh you are probably aware of is the possibility the eventual possibility of having speech recognition in your remote control 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 561.45 570.16 so you wouldn't have to tap tap in your buttons but just tell your remote control or whatever you need you have what you want. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 570.47 582.04 So we've conducted a survey about uh whether people would like or not to have uh this kind of uh functionality in their remote control and as we can see it really depends on the age. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 582.04 586.29 Young people, probably because it's a buzz word, find it very relevant. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 587.39 594.66 And uh as the age goes up the the relevance goes down. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 594.66 601.35 So now it really depends on the kind of uh targeting uh wha who are we targeting with this remote control? 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 601.35 605.24 I think if we are targeting young people then uh it's probably something we have to consider. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 593.66 593.91 Yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 601.82 602.25 'Cause 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 605.53 615.91 If we are targeting you very old people this is something they really don't know why they this should be so now this is of course, depends on that. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 612.34 613.07 Mm-mm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 613.07 613.49 Okay. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 615.98 623.52 And um I don't have any conclusion, I didn't have time the meeting was very tight, so that's basically my findings. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 623.52 625.09 And uh, if you have any question? 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 626.29 627.96 Mm I think it's good, okay. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 627.96 629.92 You done a good review. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 629.28 636.91 I got one question, uh you are a Market Expert so should we aim at the young people or not? 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 630.29 631.27 Yeah one question, yeah? 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 629.3 630.29 I can go back. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 629.87 630.17 Thank you. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 633.66 634.87 I am. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 639.38 646.51 But uh I think they are they are those uh who might be more interested in a in a new device. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 636.71 639.38 I think we should aim at the young people. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 646.51 653.22 In general the the early adopters of a new device are young people, less than more than 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 646.4 646.63 Mm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 651.98 654.33 Okay, then teletext is used less. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 652.69 652.92 Mm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 654.74 655.05 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 657.77 661.14 Because they they have other means of finding their information. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 655.02 657.77 Then teletext is useless for them I think, yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 664.25 664.35 Nope. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 661.14 662.44 Yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 662.44 664.25 But yeah. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 656.76 657 Okay. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 659.96 660.56 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 660.56 660.96 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 662.83 663.76 That's good point. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 660.32 662.24 Mm-hmm mm mm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 662.24 662.83 Okay. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 663.4 664.37 Mm, yep. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 664.05 664.22 Mm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 664.22 664.4 Okay. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 665.44 665.67 'Kay? 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 665.54 665.85 Okay. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 666.39 666.82 Thank you. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 671.15 674.95 So um now I think it's the turn of the 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 676.69 680.89 the I'm not sure um 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 688.87 692.14 Of the technical function, so 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 693.17 693.87 uh 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 693.51 695.07 So I think it's you, huh? 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 694.64 695.33 Uh it's 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 696.12 696.91 No? 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 697.4 698.38 That's me. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 698.04 699.59 techni function of 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 698.42 699.19 what effect 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 698.74 700.01 No, user requiremen 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 700.68 700.94 Yeah. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 702.2 702.33 Okay. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 705.78 705.95 Argh. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 704.34 705.78 Wait a second. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 705.44 707.52 I have to do working design so uh. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 708.88 709.48 So you're 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 708.97 712.31 That's but this but number three, yes. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 717 718.1 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 729.69 737.55 However, uh mm Project Manager asked me to give you some presentation about technical functions design. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 722.1 729.69 So, my name is Mark Dwight, and um I am responsible for User Interface Design. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 738.79 749.79 Uh, as I'm a more an artist that's gonna be less technical functions but more User Interface and current intentions and everything which is linked with this. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 749.79 751.21 So next slide please. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 750.28 751.32 Okay. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 751.32 751.59 Let's go. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 768.07 770.01 Nothing more than this, just a remote control. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 764.28 768.07 We should only make a remote control, nothing more. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 752.44 761.72 And uh a general method which is seems to be very useful for our task is not to forget about uh Occam razor. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 761.72 764.28 We should never complicate things too much. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 755.25 755.79 Mm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 771.3 776.21 'Cause current remote controls they are never easy enough to use. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 772.13 773.37 Makes sense. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 778.45 780.6 So, make a click, please. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 782.25 783.75 So here is this remote control. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 786.14 792.05 It's quite a standard one, but it's not from a T. V., it's from a much 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 793.43 797.78 easier device like air conditioning or something. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 797.78 802.03 But you know, we can use it for a T. V. easily. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 803.32 817.55 Only buttons we need is on off, volume, channels and maybe some options or something else, and please make a click, compared to this one 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 818.27 820.68 It's 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 822.23 822.93 I guess this. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 819.67 822.23 which one would you prefer? 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 822.46 823.7 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 822.92 828.47 I would say the simplest one as long as there are the uh I find the buttons that I need every time I need a button. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 828.9 830.14 Sure, sure. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 830.58 833.71 Maybe it can be yeah middle of like, between those two li 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 829.24 830.58 Yeah. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 832.68 837.29 Yeah, and our method is going to be, provide simple 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 837.58 838.52 Oh sorry. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 838.82 841.2 simple desires into simple actions. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 843.8 844.68 Nice sentence. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 842.86 843.8 Nice. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 847.73 848.42 Findings. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 849.33 850.02 Okay. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 850.02 850.59 Oh sorry. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 850.93 857.33 Our question of the style, we should remember that our company 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 858.53 860.85 puts fashion into electronics 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 862.87 864.45 and we should never forget about it. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 870.86 872.79 Be simple. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 872.79 875.94 Be simple and you'll lean on this market. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 868.48 870.86 Concept. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 875.94 880.22 Market is a of remote controls you know it better, it's very 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 869.5 872.45 S you should yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 878.78 879.01 Mm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 881.93 882.57 well, it's 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 883.73 886.48 it's not an easy field to to play, you know? 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 889.48 893.25 So be simple. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 893.25 900.59 For personal preferences I think that to make a baby-proof remote control it got to be a titanium. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 902.72 907.53 It's a really good style, it going to be look like like this. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 909.01 912.65 It is unbreakable and it is very universal. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 916.01 920.57 W we'll have a screen with a back light which can change colours, 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 920.72 921.15 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 926.92 930.81 All the other things can be controlled through the screen. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 924.96 926.92 We'll need only few buttons. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 921.73 924.96 and we can put all the options into this screen. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 933.44 940.68 And all these buttons should be easy to find and to click, 'cause when you watch a movie and you want to change something,
IS1006b H01 MIO040 949.45 949.92 So 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 940.68 949.45 you always try to find a good button and click it, but you should do it by touching it and finding it easily just by touch. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 952.4 953 Press 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 956.63 965.52 I would propose this concept for design, just few buttons, a screen with a back light which can change colours, titanium 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 960.71 960.92 Mm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 974.38 976.37 We need power and volume. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 970.59 974.38 I got just very few and good ideas. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 966.92 970.59 I think, and uh what else? 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 977.49 984.71 And let us include two nice features into this device, first, power on and off can be made fully automatic. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 986.58 990.35 When you go to the sofa, take your control and point it to the T. V., 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 992.47 992.88 It's on. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 991.61 992.47 It's off. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 991.75 991.85 Hmm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 993.52 994.61 the T. V. turns on. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 995.31 996.54 And when does it turn off? 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 997.56 1000.53 When you don't touch the control but you go out of the 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1001.23 1002.01 Oh so you have a 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1001.42 1003.61 For for enough time like uh you 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1003.56 1007.3 sensing sensor machine that uh knows 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1012.38 1016.87 And another nice feature that I would like to implement is uh volume control. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1006.68 1012.38 It's a question to our technical design, our two engineers. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1016.87 1026.58 Suppose you set u you set up some volume and then you move out or you move to the other corner of the room and take your control with you. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1008.96 1010.31 Tech 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1028.4 1037.26 Like, you want to to change the chair or you want to move to the armchair from the sofa or something, and then the volume changes. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1034.36 1035.72 Or you want to go to the kitchen. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1038.13 1038.42 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1038.6 1041.05 It's easy to do, you just control the 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1041.01 1046.31 According to your distance to and the angle maybe, if you have a stereo system. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1041.92 1042.94 Distance. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1045.2 1046.89 Yeah yeah yeah. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1042.48 1045.2 According to the distance. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1052.39 1054.03 Uh is it a touch screen by the way? 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1047.83 1052.39 Uh I'm not sure about the screen, wha what is the use usefulness of the screen? 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1048.22 1048.57 So 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1055.07 1060.04 I think it can be just a menu which can be controlled with a left, right, up, down and enter. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1060.21 1065.08 So it gives instructions but uh it has to be with an back light somehow. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1060.69 1060.86 Yeah. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1064.96 1074.04 So, its main purpose in fact is a back light, which change colours, which makes it easier to find, 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1069.85 1070.14 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1070.64 1070.89 Okay. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1075.72 1085.46 and each can it can respond for your voice, like it can turn on the light for you just to f find it easily, yeah? 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1089.23 1089.57 Okay. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1089.42 1089.55 Mm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1090.53 1091.86 So basically that's it. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1092.59 1101.95 Um I see that you target uh several s application not only T. V. but i like we talk about um universal uh remote control. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1102.32 1103.73 Can be easily done, 'cause 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1103.2 1103.51 Yeah. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1114.82 1118.33 You want to change tracks and you want to adjust volume. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1104.79 1109.45 you got simple designs, y we should put it to simple actions. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1109.45 1114.82 Let it be universal, so you want to use it for your hi-fi system. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1109.34 1109.72 Hmm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1118.55 1118.72 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1119.52 1124.08 Just few actions, a few actions for everything. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1124.08 1127.71 All the rest, we sh we'll put it into this menu on the screen. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1119.74 1119.93 Mm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1122.97 1124.04 Hmm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1124.04 1124.33 S 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1128.24 1128.32 Mm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1129.81 1146.56 Since we were targeting a really soon uh uh date for the the the um i issuing of this uh remote control I think we will only concentrate on T. V. for the moment and then maybe m make it more generalised yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1142.79 1143.96 Yeah and it mm. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1141.75 1142.79 Mm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1141.97 1143.02 Okay, okay. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1144.18 1146.15 Okay, but it's quite universal you know. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1145.56 1145.67 Mm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1146.98 1148.8 We can just extend it to any device. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1148.22 1148.51 Mm. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1148.3 1154.03 So for instance if I want to go to directly to channel twenty five, how would I do can I do that with this? 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1154.56 1155.49 Uh twenty five. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1157.79 1165.25 You know these days we have hundreds of channels, that's not so easy to go just next next next when you have hundreds of channels. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1155.68 1157.79 Yeah mm let's say I am uh on channel eight now. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1165.25 1165.7 Or is it? 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1160.58 1160.77 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1172.29 1179.99 So uh set up your T. V. set like channels that you use they're one,
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1167.42 1171.61 Basically you use just four or five channels, right? 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1179.99 1184.34 two, three and five, and you will never have to go to a twenty fives channel. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1171.61 1172.29 Yeah. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1164.46 1167.42 In fact I would propose another solution. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1170.6 1171.35 Most people yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1184.74 1194.06 In fact in in one uh remote control that I've seen, instead of doing that d you could just say these are the cha ch channel three,
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1200.97 1201.29 I uh 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1194.06 1200.97 twenty eight, forty eight and uh sixty four are those that I want to by cycled with my next button. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1200.8 1202.84 Yeah it's it's the same solution, I think. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1202.84 1202.96 Hmm. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1201.85 1202.18 Yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1202.48 1202.75 B yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1204.27 1213.39 But even we can have some uh L. C. D. display, like you can uh de you can just button the number and then it go t because 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1220.02 1226.54 I think they want to zap out of the one hundred channels, just because this is one kind of thing they do, zapping. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1211.4 1216.26 One thing is that as I said in my presentation people really do like to z zap. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1208.89 1211.4 Go to channel twenty five. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1216.26 1220.02 So even if they are only watching four or five channels,
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1216.39 1216.71 Yeah. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1219.81 1220.32 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1220.15 1220.88 But still 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1223.06 1223.48 Yeah. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1226 1229.66 Yeah uh on zap it's only next next next next next, yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1226.9 1227.22 Yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1229.4 1230.68 Yeah so but you have to 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1228.47 1229.4 And it's only next. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1229.05 1229.29 Yeah. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1230.04 1230.98 Mm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1233.04 1234.71 Next next. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1230.98 1233.04 We got these buttons here. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1234.71 1236.26 Or say this can be back. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1230.8 1231.13 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1232.23 1232.52 Okay. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1233.89 1234.2 Yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1236.71 1236.97 Yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1238.35 1245.83 But otherwise like we can put some display on numbers and then they can just press suppose two five they just press two and five and then 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1243.08 1243.8 So it would be 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1245.78 1246.08 Okay. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1246.98 1247.36 Yeah. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1247.33 1253.86 Maybe we can make uh different modes for each button and you can change mode zapping mode or 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1251.83 1252.03 Yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1253.13 1253.78 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1254.84 1258.13 Alright. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1258.13 1258.94 Listening more. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1254.33 1254.84 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1255.29 1257.48 uh current chan 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1255.9 1256.97 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1258.08 1269.73 Yeah but since we are focusing only on T. V. remote controls so we can have more functions for T. V. uh if you want to go for a universal then we ought to limit for functions for each of our devices. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1260.52 1260.81 Yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1261.41 1261.64 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1269.81 1270.34 Okay. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1269.88 1270.29 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1275.21 1279.89 like how many people really need to go to channel number twenty five and then to sixty four? 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1271.59 1275.21 Could we carry out some research if we w really need this 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1281.08 1286.16 Well I could could uh have a look at that maybe. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1286.16 1289.46 I'll check in my department if there's someone specialist in that. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1283.35 1286.01 Okay. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1284.22 1285.01 Yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1283.83 1284.22 Yeah. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1287.3 1290.03 Okay. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1289.28 1293 Okay. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1291.4 1292.96 Although I don't know. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1293.16 1293.94 Thanks for your attention. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1292.65 1293.16 Alright? 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1297.06 1304.32 So now the technical aspects of this new device. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1294.05 1294.98 Uh you're finish? 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1294.98 1297.06 Okay. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1305.84 1306.39 Mm. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1313.4 1313.9 Two. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1319.55 1320.6 Yeah, if 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1343.94 1349.86 So now I'll briefly describe the working design of our remote control. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1326.87 1327.82 Yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1324.11 1326.87 Sorry. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1327.82 1330.95 Uh as you know, I am mister Ramaro. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1330.95 1343.94 I am an expert in uh industrial design of all electronic devices and I previously devised many uh like digital calculators and electronic calculators. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1325.6 1326.67 You prefer it. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1353.73 1366.04 Well, as you know the basic function of remote control is sending some message to the the device, like T. V. or V. C. R. or D. V. D. player etcetera. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1366.59 1374.43 So we will have a p portable device which will send message to the the main device like T. V. . 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1374.81 1383.43 So we need to have some energy source to do what to do the functions, what we want on this portable device. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1383.7 1395.99 And usually this so to do these functions we need an interface, which basically some kind of pressing buttons or keys or like moving jack or something like that. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1396.43 1410.77 And then these messages these key buttons can be transferred into some kind of message and then it will process by the chip and then it will generate some information to the main device. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1411.49 1413.99 It's generally in the form of infrared or 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1415.38 1418.45 some kind of s sensor information. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1418.45 1425.27 Then we will have the main control in the main device to do the particular action what we want. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1437.78 1448.31 mainly the energy source like the battery and then we have user interface like uh the keypad and you know buttons we want, 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1429.32 1437.78 So, basically we need uh since we are focusing on our interface device remote control we need few components,
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1448.6 1450.88 and then we have some chip 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1450.88 1466.37 it's mainly digital signal processing chip because since we are I am one doing mostly digital uh devices we ought to have some kind of processor which take care of all these functions and put it in some digital format. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1466.75 1473.47 And then we'll have the infrared L. E. D. source which sends the information to the main device. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1483.7 1491.01 so some T. V. s will have different encryption codes for doing s s uh channel changing and these things. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1473.97 1483.7 Then we'll have switch in our main uh um device to do particular operations, and we ought to do different codes for different T. V. s 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1483.84 1484.26 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1490.19 1490.45 Okay. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1491.36 1494.83 To make it quite uh an universal uh device uh. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1494.24 1502.7 Yeah yeah, because the people don't use one particular brand so or at least we have more more than five brands, which are really good. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1498.33 1498.51 Mm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1501.76 1502.53 Okay. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1503.12 1511.48 So we need to check their specifications and do their uh encryption that's passing information to the T. V. device. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1511.48 1513.9 So we need to have particular encryption codes. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1514.32 1514.65 Okay. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1516.04 1518.18 Then, components 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1518.18 1532.7 so we have the main uh energy source and then we will have some buttons and then we will have infrared uh source and then we have some inside some chip in in the device. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1533.25 1540.03 Uh since I don't have much time so I'll input the connections to all this components. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1540.03 1552.16 And since I also want to know feedback from our Marketing Expert and User Interface, so if you want to add some more components we can incorporate them. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1546.19 1546.76 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1550.98 1557.29 And from from the discussion we had do you can you make it on the whiteboard, or mm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1549.82 1550.98 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1553.65 1553.85 Yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1556.56 1570.71 Yeah, I'm sure, because since our User Interface speech recognition and also Marketing Expert for the speech recognition is really handy,
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1570.71 1577.95 so we can have another, like uh s simple speech recogniser on our D. S. B. chip. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1577.95 1581.92 Since we have some kind of uh energy this is our 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1566.67 1567.15 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1570.46 1570.74 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1570.47 1570.77 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1577.08 1577.45 Mm. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1583.25 1586.65 this normal battery, so this battery 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1586.65 1609.83 once you s switch on it will take power and we can have some speech recognition and in our g generally small digital signal processing chip so that and we will put uh the small uh simple speech recogniser and we can also train the speech recogniser for particular user so you just yeah 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1609.83 1615.94 so that we just use simple recog no but but 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1601.79 1602.28 On 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1607.84 1608.77 Uh train it, okay. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1609.39 1609.69 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1609.42 1609.69 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1611.56 1612.62 Too complex. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1614.81 1618.05 But uh very very good to sell. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1618.07 1626.44 No, even in you can find even simple mobile device like any mobile brand you can have these voice dialers or these things, yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1617.18 1618.07 Yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1635.42 1637.23 Whatever. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1624.82 1631.05 Think of a all these young people who would love to say that this remote control only works for them,
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1631.05 1635.42 and ha ha you cannot use my remote control, because it's targeted to me. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1625.55 1626 Okay. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1630.92 1631.44 Okay. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1631.05 1631.43 Yeah. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1633.21 1635.86 Mm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1635.86 1638.01 And what about the price of this component? 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1633.71 1633.99 Yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1636.14 1636.84 So 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1638.79 1647.56 Uh maybe we can make uh it in five Euros and even less than that, because we want to have uh millions and in bulk 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1647.56 1656.44 so we can make really simp and we want to make really simple device because we have only very few words like like power 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1656.44 1662.43 switch on or some like then we'll have something like this um 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1640.88 1643.12 It mm okay. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1643.26 1643.35 Hmm. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1643.35 1643.63 Cheap. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1645.59 1647.7 Millions. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1646.76 1647.48 Mm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1650.3 1650.69 Okay. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1650.42 1650.58 Cheap. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1657.54 1657.84 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1663.7 1664.71 we'll have volume 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1666.5 1672.01 and then we will have s particular channel, so users can listen. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1679.5 1680.81 up, down. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1671.22 1679.5 The user uh will just be able to say uh please can you uh pump up the vo pump up the volume or or it will be something like volume,
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1671.76 1672.12 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1677.67 1677.84 Ye 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1678.84 1689.48 No, yeah, a user can use any kind of sender but they should have this prompt volume and then yeah volume and decrease or increase 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1689.48 1698.37 so we try to only recognise those words and and because we can't really say user to say same wording then it become more mechanical and yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1685.55 1685.88 Okay. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1686.08 1688.37 With a keywords and yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1689.52 1689.86 Okay. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1691 1692.01 Couple of words. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1691.73 1692.29 Mm-hmm mm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1696.29 1696.71 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1697.72 1698.18 Okay. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1698.34 1698.53 Okay. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1698.58 1698.81 Um. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1698.7 1706.41 And then we can have channel they can say, okay I want eight, because we don't know like users have different programmes,
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1706.41 1714.79 I mean they don't really follow same channels strict uh so we just want channel number, we don't want like B. B. C. or C. N. N. or something else because 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1710.58 1717.86 Okay. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1710.99 1715.01 Okay. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1713.9 1716.05 Of course uh it has to be 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1715.11 1724.1 it will be complicated so we'll have only these three uh main basic uh anyway volume is not really speech recognition problem 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1724.1 1728.64 it's it it will be take care of our main mm. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1720.85 1721.23 Okay. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1729.47 1737.25 'cause now I see th this the picture in front of my eyes like a user taking his remote control and shouting into it,
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1727.42 1729.47 No you know it's a conceptual question 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1737.25 1745.61 volume up, volume up, and and he's coming you know, he's really annoyed with this, down, up, down. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1737.25 1739.52 But then I think you 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1741.88 1742.14 you 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1744.8 1751.02 First of all I I think this is not uh functionality that it is going to be instead of using the buttons. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1751.02 1753.25 It's on top of using the button. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1750.03 1752.3 No, in no not only speech, yeah. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1753.49 1755.79 Okay, for this budget like twelve Euros. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1753.65 1754.96 I it's an option. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1756.61 1759.2 Well, I dunno. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1757.82 1764.38 Yeah actually we we can have one switch to like uh switch on, on and off, this processor and 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1764.5 1771.46 This really, suppose like here we have our main chip which controls power, volume and this part and this D. S. P. s. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1770.8 1771.3 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1782.35 1784.56 like volume and like this key. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1771.8 1782.35 Again, this to have some interaction like suppose people use D. S. P. then it particularly sends some information to the chip like in some form 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1785.03 1794.62 So it may not be like very expensive, because since we are only focusing on T. V. remote control so and we have only few things here 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1785.1 1785.42 Okay. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1789.38 1789.68 T. V. . 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1790.84 1791.16 Okay. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1791.06 1791.96 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1792.77 1795.9 Sho to to train, okay. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1795.89 1796.16 Yeah. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1799.65 1804.91 Like, if I want to put volume up I like do mm I take my remote control do like something like 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1796.3 1799.65 Did you consider the r gest uh gesture recognition? 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1806.22 1816.94 Um uh uh this point we didn't consider because it's it's very expensive because v our target is only like twelve point five Euros and 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1806.41 1807.71 roll 'em up or roll 'em down. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1808.14 1808.48 Mm. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1809.11 1811.51 Very expensive, no? 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1814.88 1820.89 And well, what about the idea of automatic on off on the button, yeah. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1816.24 1817.15 Mm why? 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1817.15 1818.26 That's just 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1819.52 1820.4 And volume control. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1823.02 1836.73 because it different criteria for different people like so suppose people are really uh they just uh they don't touch the remote and mm y you don't know how much time you need to switch on or switch off and 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1819.84 1823.02 Yeah, even automatic on off is also a bit problematic 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1832.57 1833.35 So but uh 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1845.7 1851.01 We would uh have each one and uh with our own personal uh settings. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1842.23 1845.7 So in in a given room there might be more than one remote control. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1836.82 1842.23 Sh should we target a a user personalised uh uh remote control? 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1847.38 1847.97 Yay yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1851.32 1856.73 Yeah that can be possible, especially for power settings, so user can say okay 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1856.73 1862.54 suppose they're watching a tennis match or something then they can say okay uh after one hour I 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1860.67 1860.84 Hmm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1865.99 1869.21 I want uh 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1862.44 1865.99 Wouldn't that make uh arguments? 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1863.75 1864.53 They can make 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1869.35 1875.66 That's no problem, we will sell more. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1865.4 1869.35 Yeah, of course. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1875.66 1884.09 Yeah exactly. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1871.06 1873.74 Yeah we can have 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1871.1 1883.66 And we can increase this the strength y you can buy one with 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1873.03 1879.82 We got a really good Market Expert. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1879.82 1882.04 Let's send more, let's sell more. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1879.64 1883.9 Yeah. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 1883.4 1883.92 Okay. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1884.3 1884.7 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1886.97 1889.49 You have mm something else to say? 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1889.49 1889.85 Uh. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1886.06 1886.97 Okay. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1889.46 1891.15 Uh, not very much, like yeah. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1890.73 1890.95 No. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1892.36 1892.69 Thanks. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1891.47 1892.36 Okay. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1892.86 1894.28 Okay, thanks. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1894.82 1894.98 Yep. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1893.04 1894.82 Thank you. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1896.59 1898.19 Thank you. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1897.93 1899.52 So 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1899.79 1900.95 Can you just yeah. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1900.92 1901.42 mm 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1902.55 1907.5 mm I think, okay, we're just on time. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1909.46 1911.38 Um mm mm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1914.07 1918.36 So, we're now going to l have the lunch break. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 1918.8 1920.84 Mm great. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1919.58 1927.5 Then we will work again for thirty minutes individual work, and um 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1928.61 1937.27 we will uh meet again for the next meeting, and uh in this one want to 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1938.81 1946.45 to be more focused on the individual actions the um on the components so 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1947.23 1948.68 uh 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1953.78 1958.45 you will focus on the component concept um 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1956.34 1956.86 Yeah yeah. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1960.49 1975.18 uh of course the U. I. D. Mark will be uh focused on the user interface concept and uh our m Market Expert Sammy Benjo uh on the trend watching. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 1961.56 1962.28 Mark will 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1976.3 1986.65 So um of course like before specific instruction will be sent to you by your personal personal coach. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1987.43 1988.47 Well I think that's all. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1997.19 2003.36 Uh I think automatic on off control uh it's not possible. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 1989.88 1997.19 And we have um maybe we have to we say, only for T. V., not teletext? 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 2003.72 2006.48 Uh it's in current price, yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2004.74 2005.55 Difficult. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2005.93 2012.78 Yeah, maybe in the next uh step if we make it work um. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 2007.99 2008.47 Yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 2013.17 2015.67 But speech recogniser can be possible. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2015.96 2017.75 O okay, we can think about that. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2014.77 2015.96 Yeah, implemented. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2016.73 2017.05 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2018.95 2020.24 And um 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2021.49 2022.69 do you see something else? 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2024.46 2024.72 No. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 2027.19 2032.22 Uh, should it be equipped with the 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 2033.35 2036.5 uh, with uh speakers? 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2036.89 2039.31 Speakers in the remote cont 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 2038.42 2040.67 Like, you want to find it, you shout 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2040.37 2041.08 Oh yeah. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 2041.87 2045.38 control, and it answers is I'm here? 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 2045.38 2045.72 Or 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2041.96 2043.91 Uh yeah that's 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2048.48 2049.94 That would be enough. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2049.94 2050.89 Something very cheap. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2046.89 2048.48 It just beeps. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 2048.92 2049.71 Just beeps? 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2049.52 2051.46 Or maybe you want to phone him. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2054.9 2055.21 Uh. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2052.29 2054.9 But that's ex that's expensive. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 2052.56 2053.16 Yeah yeah yeah. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2052.61 2055.05 Since now all yeah? 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 2056.05 2061.29 Yeah, especially the power, it really consumes because it should be all the time on and 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2056.25 2056.55 Think 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2059.11 2059.4 Uh-huh. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2072.92 2073.5 Or a clap. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2070.63 2071.69 You can't whistle. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2071.69 2072.92 Uh-huh. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2061.71 2070.63 Well I I heard of devices where you just uh whistle them and and they because of the the frequency they they just answer to that. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2062.1 2062.48 And uh 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2065.76 2067.26 And it's answered. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 2066.71 2067.01 Yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 2068.03 2068.52 Yeah. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 2070.26 2072.25 No, no, I can't. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 2069.01 2070.26 I can't whistle. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 2074.53 2074.67 Mm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2074.66 2078.35 Clap clap clap it's a good I I think it's universal. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2076.27 2077.3 Clap is good. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2077.3 2077.65 Tak 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2074.66 2075.37 You can clap. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2075.37 2076.27 Can you? 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 2075.57 2075.98 Yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 2077.16 2077.46 Yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2089.17 2090.85 These are not our target people. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2086.54 2089.17 With only one hand? 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2079 2086.54 Just a suggestion. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 2079.38 2084.34 Okay. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2086.17 2087.55 Yeah. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2079.45 2086.17 What about people without hand? 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 2088.52 2089.56 Yeah I think it's good. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2090.08 2091.16 Mm uh okay. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 2091.86 2097.03 But it's a good feature I guess yeah we need to think about more how to incorporate it. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2094.17 2094.96 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2094.96 2095.44 Okay. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 2097.76 2107.12 Just don't interfere with other devices like 'cause like all these people do that their lights are turning on with clapping. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2101.84 2102.1 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2107.53 2111 Oh that's e that already exists okay okay. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2113.1 2114.59 You're trendy. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2112.37 2113.1 Wow. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2111 2112.37 Oh yeah, you do have. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 2108.01 2108.19 Oh. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 2109.44 2111.78 Yeah, I got it at my home, like. 
IS1006b H01 MIO040 2111.78 2112.21 Oops. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2110.8 2111.27 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 2112.81 2115.29 Ah it's 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2118.61 2122.09 I think that could be in the component uh concept uh. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2113.81 2118.61 Mm-hmm, so let's to think s so that yeah. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2117.46 2118.13 Think about it. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2118.13 2118.98 Yeah, okay. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 2121.8 2122.19 Yeah. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2123.63 2124.03 It yes. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2125.4 2126.78 Okay. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2125.46 2125.9 Okay. 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2130.41 2133.46 Good we're done? 
IS1006b H03 MIO008 2133.46 2134.17 Right, thanks. 
IS1006b H00 FIO041 2132.17 2134.57 So, yeah, let's go to lunch. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 2132.71 2133.92 Yeah. 
IS1006b H02 MIO078 2133.92 2135.61 Thank you, thank you very much. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 24.28 27.89 Okay, so now we are on the conceptual design meeting. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 28.69 36.28 Uh y getting close to the last is the penultim meeting. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 28.72 28.92 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 36.26 47.36 How was lunch? 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 45.45 47.2 Mark. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 37.55 45.45 Thanks Don't be sarcastic. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 37.64 47.5 Mm great. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 64.45 75.9 Um um we have to take a decision on the control remote control concepts and we have forty minutes. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 49.02 64.45 So um I will again do the secretary part uh we will have three presentation first um uh the industrial design, first Rama then Mark and then Sammy. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 58.72 59.37 Uh Rama. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 59.96 60.86 Ramaro. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 77.13 77.4 Mm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 87.57 95.4 so what kind of energy we use uh what kind of chip on print and one ki kind of case. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 77.79 87.57 So what we want to the decision we want to take on this meeting are on the um first on the component concept 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 104.11 113.47 And at the end um Sammy will give um a trend watching on what he's he's been doing. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 113.47 113.81 It's 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 95.4 104.11 And also on user interface concept uh what kind of interface we use and if there is some supplements. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 118.48 118.97 First 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 116.15 118.48 So, let's go. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 120.5 121.67 with Rama. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 128.97 129.96 Participant two. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 130.72 131.72 Yeah, participant two. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 134 134.72 Component. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 134.97 135.22 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 139.56 139.68 Yep. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 154.34 166.66 First one, we can use simple battery, or we can use traditional solar cells or mm and the material we can have plastic 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 166.66 174.57 rubber which is good for this R. S. A. and then uh titanium 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 174.57 187.64 which can be which have very good look an and then interface we're to use push buttons or liquid crystal d L. C. D. display. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 142.08 150.81 So we're to mainly design f mainly need to know which components we'll use for energy, and the material and interface. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 187.64 193.59 And we can use some, moving kind of thing. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 150.81 154.34 For energy there are maybe two or three possibilities. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 170.52 170.87 Ah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 197.7 207.74 So, as we discussed before, we need to we would like to have some speech recognition s chip in our remote control. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 209.35 217.7 So this can be simple kind of programmable chip and which can use microphone sensors. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 237.49 242.27 like we're to in our twelve Euros or around that. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 242.27 252.72 So we are looking for simple devices or simple technology to do the location of remote control in a room or in a house. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 226.44 237.49 Still we are looking for possible uh technical uh specifications and how w easy we can do and within our pri range 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 217.7 226.44 And we also want to look at our remote control, so. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 250.66 251.76 Mm-hmm, okay. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 254.31 257.13 So uh we discussed an 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 260.49 261.7 Excuse me. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 266.1 279.97 So we would like to propose battery instead of solar cells and it would be problematic uh to have enough energy with the solar cells and so we would like to just use simple battery. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 279.97 293.12 And also we want to go for titanium design instead of rubber or and well the problem is with this design we found that we can't use double-curved shapes. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 272.76 272.98 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 293.38 295.02 What is a double-curved shape? 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 294.61 296.77 Like you can have two curves. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 297.19 297.5 Uh-huh. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 299.2 299.55 Why? 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 301.16 305.54 Uh it's I think in manufacturing I guess it's problematic. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 325.8 332.97 since we want to put some other features such as speech recognition we want to reduce uh cost. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 309.19 310.24 So 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 310.24 325.8 we want to go for simple push buttons because it need a simple chip and it's really lesser uh re really less expensive compared to L. C. D. which are uh which needs advanced chip technology and it's more expensive 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 326.08 326.44 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 338.81 342.73 if it is something that it seems to be light. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 330.84 338.81 Um I want to know why it b uh just uh sorry but for the point before uh why not the rubber 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 331.32 331.75 The cost. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 336.94 337.5 Uh 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 338.96 339.45 Uh 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 341.91 348.37 And also like in if you put a it's be difficult to do all the moulding of buttons and these things and 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 348.11 350.01 You m titanium it's more uh 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 347.4 348.11 Okay. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 350.3 350.69 Yeah. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 351.2 365.71 W we can use something like you know the whole body's titanium but there are some rubber or I dunno some rubber parts like to make it feel better and to you know 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 362.3 363.1 Mm like this? 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 362.61 362.99 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 363.12 364.6 Yes so mm 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 365.46 372.87 Like in cell phones recently these you can with the rubber in four directions and yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 372.87 375.21 But full assembly 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 367.28 367.53 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 367.37 368.42 Yeah. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 368.42 368.98 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 367.63 367.92 Uh-huh. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 370.64 371.57 Okay. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 376.45 385.72 We'll use mainly for titanium rubber is expensive and also it's bit difficult to do all the shapes uh. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 385.72 406.32 And this push buttons we we would like to use push buttons instead of L. C. D. s and so we want to mo I mean we're we want to put speech recognition so we want to reduce price on this technology and so that we can have enough space or enough money for 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 378.52 379.09 Okay. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 380.96 381.28 Okay. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 384.13 384.45 Okay. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 388.7 389.54 Uh yeah so 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 404.21 410.15 Okay, s so simple button and uh speech recognition for the more complicated. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 407.78 408.42 S S 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 408.22 409.29 Speech 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 410.5 416.24 Y yeah we have simple buttons and speech recognition technology, so 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 411.24 411.57 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 415.08 415.43 Okay. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 421.35 423.21 L. C. D. yeah L. C. D. . 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 415.65 421.35 Okay, and still we have mm can we still include the L. L. S. D. display? 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 420.61 421.09 L. C. D. . 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 422.37 422.78 Uh l 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 422.63 424.88 Seems not, it's either L. C. D. or push-button. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 423.74 426.3 So uh it's like a 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 424.6 431.02 No, it's not gonna be a t no touchable but still like a source of information or source for menus. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 431.07 431.34 Ah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 431.59 452.19 Yeah maybe maybe we can see depending on how we'll come up with our full design then if we have enough money or like for and because the speech recognition technology will take at least five Euros or or something so we want to reduce the cost on display or this inter 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 440.34 442.35 Okay, so let's try it, let's t 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 447.06 449.75 The L. C. D. would 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 451.24 454.97 The display would only be display and not uh touch sensitive you mean. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 454.97 457.12 Just uh for output, yeah. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 453.58 460 Yeah, yeah, it's it's not gonna be a touch pad, uh just a display for giving you information. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 458.4 458.59 Yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 458.51 458.92 Ok 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 460.24 465.79 Yeah, that can we we can consider, because like it won't take much money I guess, because 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 460.25 461.76 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 464.14 464.44 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 468.74 469.01 Okay. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 472.92 475.89 You have any further questions or? 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 470.75 472.92 Okay, yep. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 472.14 473.44 Mm. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 475.99 477.81 I guess no um. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 477.81 482.55 So the batteries uh are going to be very light. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 479.97 480.22 Yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 483.01 492.22 Yeah, we're to go for li and now I think we have many options in the market so we can go for small nickel or alkaline batteries for 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 488.65 489.01 Okay. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 490.74 491.02 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 489.82 490.74 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 493.48 496.79 really light batteries and with uh good price. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 506.55 511.06 instead of clapping why not just be ask. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 497.73 506.55 So this device on n that can be used for speech recognition could also be used for just uh the finding it basically 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 508.78 521.54 that's then the the one thing we want to know is like because remote control is used for like in the household so it it it will be it m maybe at least five 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 521.54 532.64 six people want to use it so so how to uh uh how to define our re speech recognition whether we want to do s speaker independent or speaker dependent. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 508.55 508.78 Yeah 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 532.64 542.22 If we're going for more speaker independent then it would be like again cumbersome and we need really m more technology and so 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 523.47 523.72 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 541.29 542.51 Okay, for the location. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 543.38 551.04 Yeah, if if everybody in the house n to locate then we're to go for some speaker independent technology or something. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 543.77 543.88 Hmm. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 550.67 550.98 Okay. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 556.54 556.87 Okay. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 558.46 562.32 So let's now go to the you don't have more question? 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 562.32 564.48 Um mm thank you mm. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 561.54 563.15 No, it's okay. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 563.15 565.71 Puts less of constraint on what we can do but 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 561.91 562.92 No more questions. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 562.85 563.19 Thank you. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 562.49 562.85 Yep. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 565.39 566.54 Mm yeah, yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 565.75 565.9 Yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 565.83 566.04 Yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 567.62 568.44 it's always like that. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 568.44 572.33 We have dreams and the in the end we find out that it's not feasible. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 572.92 575.01 Yeah, but mm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 573.66 574.58 Oh. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 574.58 577.61 We have uh some limitations. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 573.99 574.35 Anyway. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 575.51 576.96 Yeah. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 594.11 595.79 Okay. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 576.57 590.91 But still uh L. S. D. 's already quite nice, L. C. I'm an artist, sorry. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 590.91 594.11 So uh, that's not I hope that's not too much. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 595.79 598.9 Uh participant number three. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 590.78 594.66 So, go on uh artist. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 578.48 579.1 L. C. D. . 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 579.1 590.78 L. S. D. is something else, and it's quite nice as well. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 593.66 596.58 Now let's talk about uh interface. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 591.37 593.66 Um yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 579.13 591.37 Okay. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 598.54 598.73 Three. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 598.88 599.23 Three. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 600.04 600.92 Uh 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 601.1 601.72 Which one? 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 602.52 604.7 Hmm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 603.32 603.73 mm 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 605.34 609.58 mm uh have a look at this no it's yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 611.48 612.41 Okay. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 611.96 618 Uh so the concept of the interface. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 618 623.51 Generally I developed quite a broad concept not only for the interface, but for 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 624.55 634.21 possible instruction or user's manual and uh all the complex things that come together with your T. V. and remote controls. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 634.21 636.02 So let's start with this. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 636.02 655.72 We got our perfect remote control with a lot of buttons and uh we got explanation for every button and you can use your time and uh it will take i some days to learn all this buttons and um the L. C. D. is going to be somewhere here 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 674.03 675.4 I can see nothing. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 675.4 677.59 So that's our concept. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 677.59 679.83 It's called the millennium remote control. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 672.08 674.03 Or no? 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 662.37 672.08 and um power on and off mm I I don't remember so uh it it it should be maybe this button is power on and off? 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 656.64 662.37 and uh go back button, I don't know really where it is, maybe one of this buttons 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 665.56 667.08 Mm. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 682.33 684.75 Let's change millenniums. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 684.08 688.73 So maybe you can use in the end and 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 684.8 685.51 Yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 689.14 692.83 This is very ugly. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 687.85 689.14 doesn't make sense. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 694.36 698.23 Ah okay just press the button, please uh. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 692.48 694.36 I thought you like it. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 690.26 692.48 Really? 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 693.89 696.13 Oh no, too much concept. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 697.73 698.16 Ah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 698.21 699.05 No. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 699.69 700.52 Uh 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 702.44 704.23 We will not use this. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 700.47 702.44 Yeah, we will not use this. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 704.23 709.61 But instead of this I will devise That's our concept. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 708.08 709.59 Ah, back today. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 711.25 717.28 And it's got just few buttons, quite low looking, and all this stuff we already 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 719.48 722.18 we already discussed. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 722.18 724.06 And uh what will people say? 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 720.71 721.59 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 721.59 721.8 'Kay. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 728.21 730.55 Or what will say? 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 737.29 739.95 And everyone's gonna be satisfied. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 732.75 737.29 And uh e everyone will say I'll buy it. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 730.55 732.75 Uh they will say it's splendid. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 725.75 728.21 They'll say it's perfect. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 736.46 736.78 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 741.91 744.25 Do you think it can come in several colours? 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 745.4 746.48 Or did the 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 745.94 752.24 I would make a backlight of the L. C. D. screen with different colours. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 752.07 753.49 Um but not the case. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 753.29 754.31 Not the case. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 754.67 759.98 Uh the case would only be in that uh aluminium uh titanium stuff, like 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 759.04 759.49 Yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 759.27 759.74 Mm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 759.82 763.98 Because apparently from your survey people like colours, no? 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 764.09 768.52 Yeah, well they like uh something which is uh 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 764.28 764.7 Yeah. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 768.39 773.05 Okay, so let's remember there's a Nokia phone which changeable panels. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 776.23 777.98 I don't know I don't have a Nokia phone, but 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 773.17 776.23 Mm yeah, okay, so that would be the option. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 774.41 775.16 Do you like it? 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 777.58 780.5 But it's uh 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 779.92 782.31 I don't use that but again, uh I might 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 781.26 783.25 That's why you don't have it. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 783.25 787.51 That's why, 'cause it's nasty. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 783.12 787.69 Yeah, bu but 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 785.44 789.75 But it would be expensive, no? 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 789.75 791.69 If you use colour L. C. D. . 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 791.83 792.13 No. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 794.14 799.37 Uh instead of that maybe we can change the colour of the assembler. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 799.37 805.53 Maybe we can just if users want more colours they can pay more money to get this 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 798.22 798.6 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 806.63 810.7 uh the shapes and they can have different assembly. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 811.46 812.61 Um, I am here. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 813.77 819.44 So users have different I mean they have their own interests, colour interests and so 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 813.81 814.33 Okay. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 820.12 820.37 So? 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 820.2 820.63 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 820.64 823.09 So we can just if they want they can just pay another 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 824.63 825.4 two Euro. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 824.73 835.13 Uh-huh, okay, so you you propose something with option i that increase the price if we if you want o more colours on L. C. D., yeah. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 824.88 825.03 'Kay. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 827.52 828 Yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 831.27 833.66 If they want like uh so that we can yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 829.54 831.27 Yeah yeah yes. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 833.37 836.85 Kind of upgradable uh remote control. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 836.85 837.64 Wow, wow. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 835.17 835.59 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 837.18 837.52 Okay. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 837.98 839.69 Just they'll get few more 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 840.95 842.13 things and few more colours. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 841.27 844.89 Okay, what uh there's one more decisi uh one more solution in fact,
IS1006c H01 MIO040 844.89 855.97 um 'cause there are some some paints that can change colour according to where they are, like they can reflect different colours 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 855.42 856.27 Lights, yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 856.5 856.69 Mm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 859.94 860.15 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 857.24 859.94 And thermodynamic also. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 857.54 862.99 depending on what is around, like what colour is around, and depending on the temperature, yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 859.82 860.18 Yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 860.28 861.72 Like a chameleon. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 862.54 862.99 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 862.64 863.02 Yeah yeah. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 864.07 865.91 We can make it in fact. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 865.91 868.32 If if if the okay. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 869.14 873.71 But uh it can be in uh maybe in an a gradable version, but 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 865.36 869.14 Yeah but that's maybe mo too much expensive, yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 865.49 865.79 Mm. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 868.32 868.65 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 872.64 874.79 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, so 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 873.18 873.55 Yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 875.92 878.29 Those for which the remote control is uh 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 874.11 875.92 Because uh I think there are two kinds of people. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 900.32 902.01 And that makes me special. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 893.28 895.66 My remote control is pink. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 895.66 900.32 Nobody else than me has a pink remote control. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 879.35 893.28 is to be uh something useful uh I'm going to talk about this later but and those for which is something that that that uh is uh specific to them so it it's like a signature. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 898.49 898.92 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 898.56 898.99 Uh-huh. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 903.57 911.92 Okay and you think that we don't have to make to make them pay more because of uh o or this is 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 909.69 913.12 I think I think they would be ready p ready to pay more for that. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 912.96 913.99 Okay, so 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 914.08 916.06 Those who wanted to have it pink. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 915.44 919.56 so i it's not uh a s base service it's a 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 915.83 915.99 Uh 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 918.23 919.26 No mm no. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 918.74 918.99 Mm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 919.21 920.86 So, be an option, yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 920.79 920.89 Mm. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 920.99 922.27 It might be optional, yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 921.79 922.2 Okay. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 921.91 923.69 But those people will be really few, no? 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 923.69 925.93 So like we can those 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 924.54 928.79 The the young people the young people want to be different from their friends. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 932.54 934.65 Pink 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 928.79 932.54 Although similar but have something just slightly better. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 928.76 928.96 Ah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 930.11 930.64 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 930.3 930.63 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 932.7 939.66 So m so maybe that's if that it's a selling point maybe it has to be the base. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 932.7 933.57 Mm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 940.16 945.22 But you know if you want to be different you just take your remote control with you all the time. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 934.91 940.16 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 937.33 938.47 Mm. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 938.47 938.71 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 955.06 956.26 Want to change my neighbour. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 945.31 948.22 And you'll be different. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 948.22 955.06 Uh in the train uh, hello uh no. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 951.07 955.26 No? 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 948.9 951.07 Anyone has their remote controls here? 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 946.32 948.9 And it makes you different, you know? 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 948.87 949.99 Oh, you don't? 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 946.41 947.41 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 947.41 948.87 You always have your remote. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 950.93 953.19 You don't have your remo 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 949.99 950.93 Yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 957.94 959.86 It's a kind of remote control. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 964.1 977.46 It has this distinctive look and feel and look which people seems to like just because it's a colour that we don't usually see in a remote control. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 959.86 964.1 Uh it's white and it's so white that you see it from any anywhere. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 955.46 957.94 Wh you you know like for instance take the iPod. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 977.46 978.59 White. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 961.29 961.66 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 964.31 964.9 Mm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 971.38 971.89 Okay. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 979.82 983.07 Could we integrate something into our remote control, something like light? 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 978.31 979.82 Uh-huh, uh-huh. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 978.46 978.93 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 979.91 980.82 Seems important. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 982.71 983.1 Hmm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 984.23 985.85 That they can use it in darkness, like. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 986.45 988.8 Mm glow in the dark, so 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 987.04 988.61 Hand light, yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 988.74 992.17 Yeah maybe like the infrared like we can put some 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 990.9 992.89 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1001.21 1006.25 Yeah, that 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 993.6 1001.21 radium chips or something so that like at least um yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 996.95 1002.17 Iradium? 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1002.17 1005.5 Ah sorry. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1005.5 1005.63 Mm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 998.35 1002.61 Okay. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1002.61 1002.93 Okay. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1006.96 1007.83 Okay. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1009.01 1009.3 Okay. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1015.06 1023.83 And um the remote control's going to be smart but how smart should it be to not to complicate things too much? 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1009.08 1009.68 Okay. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1009.68 1015.06 S well, let's go on maybe with the presentation. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1009.69 1010.54 So mm 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1012.61 1013.56 Yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1013.56 1016.89 Uh-huh, yeah sure. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1014.01 1014.38 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1015.96 1016.28 Oh. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1025 1025.79 And uh 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1028.83 1034.26 I dunno that's a question to you and to mm to 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1041.85 1050.45 Currently we don't have guns with speech recognition or uh beer cans with speech recognition but we may have remote controls with speech recognition. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1033.25 1041.85 Well so I heard that uh it seems that speech recognition is something that can be done uh so that's the smartness of the thing. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1042.08 1042.75 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1051.34 1052.81 Okay, okay. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1052.33 1053.81 I dunno. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1053.59 1056.72 Mm, that's a nice world. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1053.75 1056.18 So just just just just think about it um. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1057.48 1059.1 Thank you. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1073.92 1074.76 Like with some 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1061.43 1066.86 Are are you saying here that uh the remote controls should be aware of who is using it? 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1059.92 1061.43 But yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1057.91 1059.92 Don't touch the remote. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1066.86 1073.92 So for instance the young guy would not be able to use it because his father doesn't want. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1059.4 1059.89 Okay. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1073.34 1076.46 Uh yeah I just want to say it should be real smart. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1075.67 1077.5 Maybe fingerprint recognition or 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1080.02 1083.96 I say don't use it, and the control just looks. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1077.75 1080.02 Voice recognition is quite tough. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1084.1 1084.25 Mm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1084.26 1084.67 Yeah. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1086.82 1088.27 'Cause I ordered jus 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1087.03 1087.75 Um 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1089.21 1089.46 Mm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1089.72 1092.74 Uh that mm that could be feasible I guess, like 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1089.76 1090.79 To l to l lock it. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1094.71 1094.97 Okay. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1094.79 1101.44 So since we have we want to do some speaker dependent speech recognition uh so we can use yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1100.16 1100.86 So it could be 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1101.89 1102.99 smart in that way. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1102.66 1103.48 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1104.33 1104.59 Mm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1106.41 1106.88 Okay. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1107.92 1115.48 But for instance th I I'm thinking about the other uh uh particularity that the the remote control could have. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1132.63 1135.98 I dunno, somehow, I dunno, that might be expensive but 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1119.11 1132.63 it might also record the kind of uh channels you are u more often using and uh levels of volumes that you're more often uh things like that and provide you ways of using them,
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1115.48 1119.11 S since it it knows who is using it 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1124.79 1125.18 Yeah. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1128.33 1129.22 Yeah, sure. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1128.76 1129.13 Mm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1129.51 1129.86 Yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1134.21 1134.58 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1136.29 1136.64 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1136.98 1137.69 Uh it's 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1140.58 1145.36 The remote that knows you. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1137.3 1140.58 that might also be a good sales pitch again. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1139.88 1140.22 Hmm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1142.7 1145.63 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1147.05 1147.38 Okay. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1148.42 1149.25 Okay, thanks. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1149.94 1154.5 So it's yeah, Marketing Expert. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1151.17 1151.94 My turn? 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1159.19 1160.58 Okay, it's alright. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1162.75 1164.22 Four, sorry. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1161.21 1162.75 Participant two? 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1161.97 1163.34 Four. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1162.75 1165.2 Four, I think. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1165.2 1166.14 Trend, yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1169.69 1172.17 No uh yes. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1200.05 1205.5 Anyway these days uh the best uh source of information is the web as you know, so have to 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1188.95 1200.05 So first maybe just a small recap on how how do we watch trends so it's not so uh simple you might think that it's easy but uh it's not so simple. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1186.61 1188.95 So, next slide please. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1175.9 1186.61 Okay, so I'm going to talk about trends and um I hope this can help us to to understand l how we should design our remote control. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1225.89 1235.88 We can we can use the phone as a as a good uh uh example of where to in be inspired. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1206.68 1211.28 to go often on the web and look at uh what the others are doing 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1224.3 1225.89 always, like a phone. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1211.28 1224.3 and ask real people who are using real remote controls every day uh or any other tool that is similar to a remote control which basically is a small device that people have with them,
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1251.17 1255.09 This is more risky because you're not following the trend, you try to invent it 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1255.09 1262.24 which means either you succeed and you make a lot of money or you don't and you're out of business. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1244.01 1247.71 they're inventing it, they're creating the trend. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1247.71 1251.17 I hope I'm going to try to help you on that. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1262.24 1265.24 So anyway uh next slide please. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1236.67 1244.01 Of course those tha d who are watching the trends are also have also to be inspired because in fact they're not only watching the trends,
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1291.36 1292.35 It has to be fancy. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1280.44 1288.48 The first one, which seems to be the most important one, is that it has to be fancy, it has to have a fancy look and feel. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1266.39 1280.44 Uh to be to be quick there's a lot of words here but uh basically there are uh in in the market of of remote controls there are three aspects that we should very pay much attention to. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1288.48 1291.36 And uh interestingly this is the very most important thing. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1316.39 1321.49 which is that it should be easy to use and it should be easy to use as a remote control. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1343.07 1345.14 huh, mine has this and not yours. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1326.7 1343.07 s something that people are proud of uh uh that i uh they can be id identified with uh and and then uh something that um contains very novel stuff that they can talk about with their friends,
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1302.8 1316.39 it has to be new with some of uh new uh technology inside and uh and this is also uh more important than the last thing which we w may think that would have been the most important 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1293.68 1302.8 Strangely enough it's more important to be fancy than to be wi and now that's the second thing it has to be, it has to be technologically i innovative 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1321.49 1326.7 So as you see uh it first have to be very nice 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1354.71 1355.6 Next slide please. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1345.76 1354.71 And finally of course it has to be useful as a remote control but it seems that it's not so important that it's useful as a remote control. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1355.73 1355.87 Mm. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1357.24 1365.28 Uh and now in a more uh general uh uh broad way of seeing th uh the thing. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1393 1397.09 And I think of course uh i it applies to everything. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1405.17 1409.98 Think fruit and vegetable. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1365.28 1379.59 If we look back and not uh look at only remote controls I think it's important to see that the trends are quite the same in many areas so currently the the trends that we see in l in l big cities like Paris and Milan,
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1404.14 1405.17 Fruit and vegetable. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1416.2 1422.17 Well this so so I think uh uh i 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1398.86 1404.14 It it can travel f from clothe to furniture same idea. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1379.59 1393 well, it seems that this year things should have uh a fruit and vegetable uh way of of look or feel or so. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1409.98 1416.2 And uh if we co we compare to last year, now it has to be spongy, yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1397.09 1398.86 That's the thing with trends. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1414.04 1414.37 Mm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1415.13 1416.13 What is spongy? 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1416.81 1419.87 Yeah kind of um maybe 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1423.89 1433.61 When we were talking about rubber, I think uh the rubber aspect might be important because it's what is probably more feasible in terms of sponginess. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1425.86 1426.62 Yeah it 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1429.83 1430.48 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1430.59 1430.88 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1431.33 1432.23 S 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1433.63 1433.92 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1433.72 1435.98 So maybe titanium it's not a good idea. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1436.31 1437.93 Seems not, seems not. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1438.47 1440.39 We need to think about mm mm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1439.96 1440.48 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1440.2 1440.45 Yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1443.61 1444.84 So 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1445.27 1446.97 It seems to be 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1443.76 1445.27 Um sorry Mark. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1452.58 1457.06 as a even in the shape it has to be more round and uh 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1446.12 1452.58 Think more of uh something in the colours of uh like fruit and vegetables and spongy 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1450.31 1450.68 Fruit. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1452.36 1453.13 Even shape? 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1455.12 1459.6 More yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1458.13 1463.07 more uh uh look natural somehow. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1463.07 1463.47 I mean 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1459.22 1459.52 Mm-mm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1462.29 1462.7 Yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1464.58 1470.49 And not those futuristic uh remote control with angles and uh and titanium like. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1468.55 1468.99 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1471.09 1471.37 Mm. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1471.75 1482.06 So that's what people seem to yeah i I know it's quite far from what you thought but that's that's fashion and 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1474.52 1475.63 You're old-fashioned. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1472.07 1474.52 Hmm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1475.63 1478.23 Sorry. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1482.33 1482.85 Okay. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1485.79 1486.03 Okay. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1486.55 1488.01 Okay that's all I have to say. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1488.22 1489.25 Mm you have questions? 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1495.07 1495.63 Or it's 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1489.33 1495.07 So these abilities are mainly ad addressed by young people? 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1496.55 1497.52 These I'm sorry. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1497.75 1501.98 This you you so did you 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1500.56 1506.38 Yeah, yeah we have people uh uh listening to the trends everywhere in the world, of course 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1506.38 1520.56 as you know our company is quite big and uh so I'm just asking them what are the current trends according to them when they go in the stores and when they ask uh their uh friends that are also well. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1503.8 1504.08 Where? 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1506.22 1508.9 Oh, okay, mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1508.9 1510.28 It's not from mm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1505.46 1506.22 Oh. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1511.35 1511.69 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1514.08 1514.47 Yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1518.53 1519.73 Yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1519.73 1522.77 It's more general trend it's not particular to the remote control. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1525.03 1528.95 But it seems that trends travel across things. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1528.95 1530.54 The what we 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1522.1 1525.03 No, it's not it's not this this is very general, yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1526.71 1526.91 Mm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1528.35 1528.72 Yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1530.68 1533.68 Yeah but some materials n they're to be 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1534.79 1540.21 uh they're to be something like solid like they can't be really spongy or yeah yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1537.33 1538.01 Sure. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1550.62 1553.52 This is not mine. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1547.62 1550.62 This is your problem. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1538.95 1547.62 We have to I think we have to have the look of fruit and vegetables but we still have to put our chips inside, so of course. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1538.01 1538.95 Yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1541.64 1544.24 yeah, yeah sponge, yeah yeah at least that's 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1545.89 1551.89 Yeah yeah that yeah yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1551.89 1552.13 Yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1557.61 1561.69 We can have t colours or this shape or at least yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1554.93 1557.61 These things can be easily incorporated. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1553.49 1554.93 Yeah, looking yeah fruit. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1561.38 1566.21 If if it's something like rubber made or I think it it's also going to be good. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1557.75 1561.38 Yeah, I think in the colours and in the uh the kind of material. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1564.21 1564.64 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1565.32 1565.72 Mm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1566.19 1566.52 Mm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1567.32 1567.65 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1568.42 1568.88 Okay? 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1569.23 1569.59 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1569.4 1569.95 Okay. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1572.87 1573.52 No more question? 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1575.91 1576.23 Okay. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1577.21 1578.16 Thanks. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1576.55 1577.21 Yep. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1578.44 1579.3 So 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1581.6 1584.41 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1595.62 1605.19 Um now you have to go straight on this individual action which i which are for Rama uh wil design,
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1614.46 1621.24 Uh you will work together uh on a new on on a prototype using modelling clay. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1590.92 1595.62 Okay, so we will have uh next meeting in thirty minutes again. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1605.19 1614.46 um Mark the user interface design, and uh Sammy uh the product evaluation. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1603.15 1604.78 Look and feel de 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1614.2 1614.48 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1617.1 1617.39 Hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1621.79 1622.04 Hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1623.47 1624.59 Mm sounds interesting. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1624.49 1626.16 Mm-hmm um 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1627.73 1633.31 and I as always your personal coach will send you specific instruction. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1635.64 1636.15 Okay. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1636.33 1636.8 Okay. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1639.11 1641.22 Thanks. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1645.3 1656.43 so so we want the speech recogniser and we want some kind of buttons and we want some themes like fruits or vegetables 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1656.43 1658.7 that's we want to follow general trend. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1640.02 1645.3 So, can we highlight the specific features of our yeah 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1643.24 1646.24 Yeah you're right, you have to 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1656.86 1657.79 So you say s 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1658.88 1659.71 Spongy. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1664.04 1664.25 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1660.15 1664.04 S do we agree on that? 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1660.26 1660.49 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1665.57 1666.13 We have to. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1666.42 1667.66 So, do you think 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1676.69 1677.63 So there's no 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1671.86 1676.69 Again, as I said we can also try to make it, to create the trend. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1666.92 1671.86 No, we don't have to, but seems it's the trend. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1667.89 1670.61 So we have to uh for 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1670.26 1671.75 No. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1671.19 1672.13 Hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1672.13 1672.39 Yeah. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1675.25 1680.14 yeah so are we confident enough on creating trends? 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1676.88 1677.07 Yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1680.92 1683.96 Well, that's you t can try to convince us. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1693.83 1696.84 Yeah. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1684.72 1693.83 Well, we can make it smell like fruit. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1688.87 1691.34 Okay. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1691.34 1693.82 that's a good idea, I 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1689.53 1691.54 Okay, that's a good idea. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1691.54 1696.05 So titanium smell like fruit. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1696.05 1696.46 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1689.56 1691.83 That's 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1697.12 1701.99 So what about location and these things, people are really interesting on those features? 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1701.99 1704.18 Or they really like 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1705.72 1706.2 Uh 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1706.34 1709.94 They more want these fancy features like 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1708.34 1725.93 I think i yeah i it's again in this uh what I said first it has to be fancy so I think if nobody else pro provides currently a remote control with that kind of stuff and if we can provide it I think it's a good sell for us because we have it and others don't. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1725.93 1727.08 It's fancy. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1727.08 1730.59 Whether it's useful or not doesn't seem to be very important. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1715.04 1715.22 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1718.53 1719 Feature 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1723.33 1723.67 Yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1724.71 1725.03 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1725.81 1726.45 Okay. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1729.92 1730.11 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1730.36 1733.64 I I agree with uh this uh 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1731.49 1732.13 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1739.59 1743.84 Do we take titanium smelling like fruit, or do we make spongy 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1736.5 1739.59 Now we have to decide on what kind of fanciness. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1744.6 1745.64 uh fruity-like 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1744.6 1744.96 Yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1746.17 1749.61 Uh we will try to explore these two options and yeah yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1748.01 1749.56 Maybe you could explore the two option. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1749.22 1750.38 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1748.52 1749.22 Mm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1749.59 1751.03 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1751.03 1752.7 Could we make a titanium shape? 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1753.88 1758.7 Uh yeah at least like we can make banana or 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1754.12 1757.21 I mean fruit-shaped. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1757.21 1764.24 Don't you say that you cannot do double shape uh curved shape yeah. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1758.92 1759.38 But 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1762.71 1773.39 yeah it's it's yeah that's a we're to look for and and s we're to see the whether rubber is expensive and d 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1762.74 1764.07 Doub double-curved. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1763.74 1764.8 Seems to be. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1762.8 1763.74 Mm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1766.23 1766.77 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1766.77 1767.13 Okay. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1768.66 1769.56 Okay, okay. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1773.22 1775.15 In fact I just agreed to make uh 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1776.64 1778.46 to make the like titanium panels 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1779.94 1780.97 on a whole 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1782.06 1783.87 rubber body. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1784.66 1784.95 Hmm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1785.28 1787.16 Well, okay w we'll see. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1785.71 1786.73 Mm-mm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1792.2 1796.14 Or or spongy an yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1786.73 1792.2 Okay, so you explore now that you're going to work together these these two. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1790.07 1790.54 Yeah 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1790.53 1790.76 Mm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1794.36 1795.4 Yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1802.92 1808 we have only the plastic or the the chippy yeah fibre chips or 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1795.4 1802.92 Maybe we can have two different assembly also like one spongy and one kind of titanium. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1801.68 1802.01 Mm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1805.89 1806.28 We'll see. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1805.14 1805.89 We'll see. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1805.45 1806.17 If you have time. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1806.8 1806.96 Mm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1808.32 1810.28 Yeah I don't think w I think we have to choose. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1811.43 1815.58 If we choose uh titanium or if we choose spongy but uh it cannot be both. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1811.82 1812.14 Uh. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1815.14 1824.56 I I really don't like this modelling clay 'cause you know it makes some for for I dunno uh yeah um we'll look. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1814.5 1815.14 We'll see. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1817.17 1817.5 Yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1818.22 1821.88 For creation. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1822.23 1822.63 Yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1824.82 1825.2 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1826.84 1832.2 Ah you can pretend that it's uh titanium. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1827.49 1830.36 Even design. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1830.62 1833.63 You can paint it afterward. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1840.22 1841.87 You will do it. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1833.63 1834.12 No problem. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1834.12 1840.22 We have a very large department of paint. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1833.49 1835.97 Okay, okay. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1837.62 1842.43 Yeah, do don't worry, you you you speak with mm mm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1841.42 1842.34 Alright, alright. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1843.95 1844.99 Okay. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1844.99 1846.75 So explore a shape. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1853.51 1853.92 Or 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1851.57 1853.51 So still we want to keep L. C. D. ? 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1860.51 1861.68 Not uh 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1854.91 1860.51 Mm I think it's what we say, that we have an uh an L. C. D. with uh information. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1856.31 1856.51 Yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1860.18 1860.75 Okay. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1860.53 1870.97 The thing is that uh if we want to have as he says if we want to have uh a small number of buttons we need to have a kind of output that says currently what their actions are. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1866.13 1866.99 Yeah, then we can 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1868.31 1868.58 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1869.89 1873.08 yeah, yeah, that user friendly or 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1872.96 1873.23 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1873.33 1873.46 Mm. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1874.45 1879.2 That's the converse to having zillions of button where each button does only one thing. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1874.77 1875.01 Mm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1876.47 1876.65 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1878.71 1879 Mm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1879.36 1879.52 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1884.31 1884.56 Okay. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1884.31 1891.12 and we just stick with two batteries so it's not any solar or yeah yeah j yeah, because 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1887.92 1888.63 Yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1903.26 1906.22 Because the trend goes faster than the life of the 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1894.03 1901.92 Anyway it's very in general I think people uh change T. V. more often than batteries of their remote control. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1888.63 1894.03 Classical, we stay classical in that we don't reinvent uh the wheel. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1901.92 1903.26 So. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1889.37 1890.51 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1892.28 1893.93 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1892.79 1893.74 Mm. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1900.11 1903.74 Yeah. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1906 1906.37 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1906.66 1907.23 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1909.56 1910.49 So it's very 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1910.92 1911.25 Okay. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1913.78 1914.1 Okay. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1913.83 1915.91 So are we mm. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1914.29 1914.48 Yeah. 
IS1006c H01 MIO040 1914.32 1915.13 Yeah. 
IS1006c H03 MIO008 1915.25 1915.73 We're done. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1915.56 1916.94 Yeah, we're done. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1917.71 1918.64 Okay. 
IS1006c H00 FIO041 1918.64 1920.35 So see you in thirty minutes. 
IS1006c H02 MIO078 1921.11 1921.25 Yep. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 31.66 32.18 Mm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 32.71 36.22 So, Hi Christa. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 33.63 41.4 So, uh now it's the Hi Sammy. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 48.21 56.43 So um, first uh Mark and Rama are going to present uh the prototype. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 41.4 48.21 It's the detail design meeting, so we're going last meeting. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 64.62 69.4 Then, w we 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 56.43 64.62 Uh then uh Sammy will propose some uh crite cr criteria to evaluate this prototype. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 64.3 75.91 Yes. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 64.49 71.28 Yes. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 69.4 84.02 And then we going to do some finance to see if uh it is uh feasible and uh at the end we will we will um evaluate ourself as a team. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 86 86.24 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 86.24 89.03 So first, let's uh 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 84.02 86 And that's all. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 71.88 75.67 And chocolate? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 85.99 86.15 Mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 90.13 91.65 see the prototype. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 91.33 91.56 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 92.48 94.94 Uh, here we have our prototype model. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 97.11 97.63 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 97.63 97.73 Mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 95.28 95.67 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 95.67 97.11 And you have some slides then? 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 95.61 96.06 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 95.99 96.86 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 96.86 98.42 Yeah, we have also some slides. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 97.06 99.13 Yes, and place some slides. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 98.5 98.86 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 98.86 100.81 Uh so in which uh 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 100.83 101.15 In 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 101.01 102.49 Uh, participant three. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 102.94 104.21 Prototype. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 105.85 106.02 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 107.84 108.04 Mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 107.4 107.84 Mm okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 108.84 109.37 Five. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 110.25 112.19 Uh, so 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 112.92 113.13 Him. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 113.3 114.06 this is our 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 115.78 116.69 remote control. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 134.81 135.63 Please, next slide. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 123.29 131.44 So first, I present as we came to this perfect model, and then we'll give some technical specifications. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 119.42 123.29 You can use it now by switching all these buttons. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 131.44 134.81 That's well, so that's that. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 117.8 119.42 It's a r working prototype. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 127.86 128.32 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 130.69 131.05 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 151 152.09 And um, 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 136.52 145.78 We analysed all the fruits and contacted NASA, and uh made some real good Yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 145.78 151 If you can see this, and the stars are showing that. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 143.53 144.97 MASA? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 152.34 152.69 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 156.07 156.65 For sure. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 153.52 156.07 s society will accept that. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 170.24 171.32 S please, next slide. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 158.03 170.24 And making some analysis of different fruits, we choose the ultimate form, ultimate colours, and uh ultimate smell of it. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 172.95 180.41 But we still didn't want to go far from our titanium idea, 'cause it's the most of the moder the m 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 181.75 185.5 the modern material we can p select. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 186.94 188.4 And it's practical. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 189.94 193.47 And it's still say it's for our needs, so please press something. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 194.58 198.57 And as I said, it's perfect. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 195.64 202.41 Okay. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 198.67 202.72 Please press it. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 202.72 208.35 Everyone is f really uh really glad to obtain an 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 201.88 202.61 Explanat 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 200.84 201.88 Experience. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 208.69 211.6 Such a nice thing. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 209.3 210.41 See this. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 212.57 215.15 So you can touch it with your hands. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 215.15 216.27 Sure. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 216.27 218.24 Yes. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 209.41 212.57 s such a r such a device. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 215.03 215.54 Ho-ho. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 214.38 215.03 Can I? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 215.52 215.87 You can 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 218.23 219.47 What do you say? 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 219.93 219.99 N 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 219.96 222.07 It says 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 220.98 222.92 You must say it. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 221.2 223.6 Spongy. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 222.15 223.42 I will uh 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 228.65 234.12 He 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 223.5 228.65 One day. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 224.61 227.68 I'll buy it. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 227.68 230.96 If I if I need so. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 230.96 234.74 Hopefully my daughter will like it. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 225.4 227.57 Yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 242.14 243.35 Um, this is a prototype. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 234.76 236.8 Y and we got the answer. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 240.16 242.14 ,3 please next slide. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 236.8 240.16 Uh, it is, yes, of course. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 243.35 245.55 You can have a look at it, and 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 233.52 234.76 Okay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 238.07 239.73 Of c course. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 237.11 238.07 Yes, of course. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 245.25 245.53 Ah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 248.47 250.83 Now it's technical specification by our 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 246.88 248.47 That's all I wanted to say. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 248.49 248.73 Hmm. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 252.73 253.27 colleague. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 253.05 253.19 Hmm. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 256.68 257.46 So 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 260.54 263.92 Okay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 263.92 267.69 It's in option. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 257.68 260.54 Oh, there is a button missing. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 261.26 262.58 This this is really flexible. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 266.64 268.06 So function, mm 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 262.58 265.38 You can add your buttons. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 260.62 261.26 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 265.38 266.64 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 268.25 268.63 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 286.98 289.48 Then you ha you'll have volume control. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 268.62 274.55 So, as we discussed, we have to switch on switch off whenever we want. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 277.99 286.98 or like you can use this jog wheel and select which ever option on the L. C. D., and then do on and off. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 289.48 295.31 So, you you can press these buttons to increase or decrease the volume. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 274.55 277.99 And so, we have buttons and using L. C. D. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 309.02 314.94 Here you have microphone, and then it date records your voice, and then it try to recognise. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 314.94 316.62 And it can also do the action. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 298.83 306.3 Like, m switching the L. C. D. display if you want to use L. C. D., or you don't want you can just use normal button. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 306.3 309.02 And we have speech recognition. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 296.69 298.83 And we have some L. C. D. controls. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 304.89 305.24 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 311 311.14 Hmm. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 318.24 320.14 And location finder. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 324.12 326.83 You can just say, where is my remote control. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 326.83 332.16 Or uh, you can just give some nickname to your remote control, like Bobby. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 332.16 335.42 And then, it will say hi. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 320.14 324.12 And we want to do the location basically using speech recogniser. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 323.89 324.18 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 334.84 336.41 Hey Bob. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 329.37 332.71 Hey, babe. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 332.71 334.84 Bob. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 338 338.38 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 329.55 338 Bobby. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 335.64 340.37 Yeah, hi, and then you can use it. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 337.04 339.32 Okay, that's good. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 339.19 340.24 Hmm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 340.24 341.03 'Kay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 347.16 355.85 So, you can have And then you can see the look L. C. D. and all the switches. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 345.89 347.16 Mainly strawberry. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 342.26 345.89 So, um our team is now fruits. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 348.59 352.1 Oh, these are strawberries. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 357.79 357.99 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 356.37 357.79 Are colourful. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 358.48 361.79 Material, we want to stick to titanium. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 363.04 370.32 We will send, we want to 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 367.89 369.92 I didn't know it exist, but that's great. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 364.13 367.89 Fruit smelling spongy titanium. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 370.58 372.32 Yeah, or s 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 390.22 396.93 And you can choose colours on your day for each day, or even many colours. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 375.65 382.05 So, we want to have simple and perfect shapes, like I shown in these phones. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 382.05 390.22 You can have your own designs and and you can feel simple designs. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 391.73 391.91 Ha. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 394.7 395.11 Ho-ho. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 396.9 399.49 You mean we can change the colour uh of th 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 397.17 400.5 That's for the L. C. D. or for the titanium? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 400.92 401.74 For the L. C. D. . 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 401.72 402.84 Yeah okay, for the L. C. D. . 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 400.93 401.72 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 406.04 406.26 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 402.93 406.04 With titanium it's it is silver. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 404.14 405.12 Tit titanium is 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 410.66 416.15 It's Tuesday. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 406.84 409.09 So, r we'll start with L. C. D. . 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 405.09 406.84 We are still working on titanium. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 409.09 410.66 You can ask Bob. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 405.64 405.97 Mm-mm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 406.62 407.05 Uh, okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 407.47 408.18 Mm, yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 410.66 410.97 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 411.35 414.77 Yeah, Bob, please. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 414.77 416.09 Tuesday colour. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 411.47 418.27 Hey, you know you're theme today. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 416.24 416.54 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 416.54 422.19 Even you can configure your colours for its the depending on your mood, or s 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 416.85 417.13 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 420.05 420.3 Hmm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 421.03 421.41 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 422.33 428.13 Black for Sunday. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 427.4 428.04 Or 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 423.28 427.4 And you can have many colours on weekends. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 427.46 430.29 And w wait, wh what are the strawberries for? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 431.09 432.14 On the L. C. D. ? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 432.14 432.44 Oh. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 431.33 432.77 Wh wh 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 431.45 431.59 Huh? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 432.44 434.27 Ah, these are like sensors. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 434.36 437.23 Of course. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 437.23 438.46 What do you think? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 438.46 442.81 Strawberry sensors. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 434.84 443.78 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 437.72 439.33 That's location sensors. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 443.29 443.96 Very useful. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 445.56 446.43 Strawberries. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 444.03 445.56 Okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 446.72 452.73 So, after this meeting we'll propose a party for our success for 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 451.69 455.92 Ah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 452.76 455.92 Lounge meeting. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 454 459.82 So, if you are vegetarian or you have any options, please let us know. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 460.29 462.95 Yeah, and we can just some strawberry first. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 462.95 463.1 Um 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 462.42 462.76 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 463.02 467.32 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 467.32 468.03 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 463.69 464.52 Good. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 463.14 463.69 Alright. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 464.31 464.66 Oops. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 465.81 466.07 S 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 469.14 470.32 In interesting. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 468.16 469.14 Interesting. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 467.37 468.16 So, huh. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 470.32 471.03 Mm mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 468.19 479.28 Uh we'll see in the financial part if uh all gets into 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 468.23 470.52 So, any specific questions for 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 475.77 477.04 It makes sense. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 476.36 479.52 Yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 479.38 484.18 Let's make a party first maybe. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 483.12 484.76 Then we can discuss We can 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 482.54 483.12 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 482.56 484.33 W 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 484.54 488.03 Who is the five uh fifty millions we first make a party in? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 488.38 489.54 So uh, this is 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 488.39 491.98 Yeah, then we can have how much for how money is left. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 495.89 497.02 Uh, so 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 494.85 495.89 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 493.51 494.85 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 494.13 495.02 What a design. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 500.09 501.07 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 501.07 504.28 Let's see if this Yeah, if you meet 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 498.25 500.09 It's my turn. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 498.66 504.9 Let's uh, yeah, let's see if uh th it's meet the evaluation criterium. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 501.74 504.47 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 505.76 507.42 the evaluation criterion. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 507.66 507.92 Oops. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 512.24 512.75 Fudge. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 514.94 515.35 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 515.35 517.45 So, evaluation please. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 519.6 522.98 You made a very nice prototype, and um, I think 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 529.82 534.98 if it fulfils our what we want to do, and things like that. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 518.84 519.6 So. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 534.98 535.95 So mm 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 522.98 529.82 we now need altogether to try to evaluate it to see if it makes sense to do it,
IS1006d H03 MIO008 536.94 538.41 Uh, next slide, please. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 555.28 561.32 Uh, so we need to evaluate it um, try to do it in a constative way, and as much as we can. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 550.32 555.28 it's very important to first verify if it makes sense, if we have a chance to sell it. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 539.84 550.32 As you know, before going and uh creating and producing these strawberry uh remote control,
IS1006d H02 MIO078 547.53 549.09 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 575.03 578.03 And seven meaning, no it doesn't fulfil at all. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 578.03 579.97 And we're all l going to list all the criterion. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 596.89 599.87 So, maybe we can have a look at the criteria? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 568.1 575.03 One meaning that, ye yes uh it fulfils uh the the criterion, whatever it is. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 562.66 568.1 To so what I propose is that we are going to to have this scale from one to seven. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 587.91 596.89 And then we are just going to have an average, which will give us the value of our uh remote control. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 579.97 587.91 I'm going to go to that next slide, and together try to evaluate this according to this criterion and from one to seven. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 582.1 582.41 Okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 602.19 602.62 Fancy. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 602.26 606.65 So these are the criterion uh I'm I thought were important. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 613.38 617.97 So we have fancy here and we have the scale 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 606.65 613.38 Of course, this can be discussed, but let's let's see, so let's vote. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 620.47 620.82 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 621 622.87 from one to seven 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 623.99 625.25 with four in the middle. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 628.82 629.19 So, 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 628.86 629.15 Huh. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 630.6 631.79 Yeah, what's is really 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 631.22 633.04 what do you think, is it fancy? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 632.85 634.88 Uh, it's really 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 633.8 637.7 Uh, I think that fancy, we can say it is fancy. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 638.76 642.9 Or have you ever seen something like that? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 636.27 638.76 It is very very fancy. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 642.3 645.41 I am not the d the only one choosing, yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 641.44 642.3 Oh. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 645.41 646.19 Uh what do you think? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 645.34 646.03 What do you think? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 644.28 645.34 Yeah, of course. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 647.14 647.89 Feel the weight. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 647.25 647.91 Is it 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 648.26 651.65 The weight is later. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 655.42 656.55 I think it's quite fancy. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 651.65 655.42 Now we're We're on the fanciness now. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 650.74 651.16 Oh. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 649.66 650.74 Yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 650.76 652.79 Really. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 651.45 654.86 Uh-huh. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 653.3 653.98 Okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 656.5 656.92 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 656.92 658.66 We can give at least five or six, seven. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 656.7 657.93 It's uh 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 657.55 657.73 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 657.09 657.55 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 671.48 673.32 Then we have uh technology. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 667.38 668.01 Two? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 668.73 670.16 So here, two. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 660.48 665.08 Yeah, o one means it's, yes, a very fancy and seven mean no at all. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 657.96 660.48 Yeah, so No it's it's one. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 666.74 667.38 What do you think? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 670.16 671.48 Up. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 665.08 666.74 So it's one or two. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 668.01 668.73 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 659.6 660.33 It's in the other. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 660.33 660.53 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 660.74 660.97 Oh, Oh. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 660.97 662.78 So Oh, okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 662.86 663.14 Mm. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 663.3 664.26 Yeah, okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 664.26 664.67 Oh, okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 664.67 665.02 So 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 666.76 667.15 Two. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 667.15 668.14 Let's say two, yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 666.91 667.65 M maybe two. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 668.12 668.58 Two. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 668.58 668.76 Two. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 671.73 672.44 Technology. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 676.03 676.4 Um 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 675.89 676.03 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 677.48 684.35 We have uh we have speech recognition, we have location based, we have L. C. D. . 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 676.29 677.48 So, what about technology? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 681.73 682.9 And we have L. C. D. . 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 684.71 687.31 So you change colours. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 684.8 686.03 Change colour of t 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 685.83 688.24 Change colour, I mean that's very 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 688.44 689.03 Useful. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 689.33 690.44 Yeah, I think it's a 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 692.08 692.86 At least a one, yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 689.52 692.08 Quite d I think it's a one for that, at least. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 690.13 691.03 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 691.55 692.8 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 691.38 691.55 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 691.96 692.65 It's silly. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 691.52 691.96 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 691.76 692.3 Uh 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 691.54 691.76 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 693.03 693.16 Mm-mm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 695.01 696.63 Robustness, uh-huh. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 696.24 701.79 Uh, still we need to cha 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 710.39 711.27 Let's try. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 706.86 710.39 Uh, maybe not the prototype. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 704.02 706.86 Do you think it makes sense that it's going to live again? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 698.07 704.02 So let's suppose my daughter take it and um and through it away. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 702.04 704.12 Um 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 707.76 718.9 The strawberries Oh. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 708.06 716.39 Yeah, it Maybe strawberry. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 712.56 715.95 Oh my god. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 718.05 720.21 So Not at all? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 715.95 718.05 Okay, we just lost one strawberry. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 720.12 721.71 How can I say this. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 725.87 727.27 A strawberry. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 719.18 720.12 No. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 721.71 725.87 It's still it's still working, and your daughter got a bonus. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 717.93 719.18 No. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 718.21 718.85 Oh. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 721.12 722.36 Yeah, we can easily plug it. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 723.72 724.17 It is 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 726.9 727.46 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 725.27 726.9 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 727.79 729.08 So it's not so bad. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 729.08 730.75 I um uh I would say three. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 728.88 729.42 Mm-mm. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 729.14 729.47 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 730.84 731.24 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 731.24 732.28 But it's too. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 732.28 733.76 It's um robust, yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 731.66 731.87 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 731.79 733.21 Yeah, that does make sense, yeah? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 735.67 736.23 Useful? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 736.28 738.21 Useful. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 744.74 746.7 These buttons are uh It not clear. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 746.7 750.83 But you have at least uh next produce. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 738.21 743.73 Well, so the question is does it have uh the minimum requirement of re remote control? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 743.73 744.74 So I don't know. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 743.58 744.42 Yeah, 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 745.59 747.04 Oh, yeah, lets me try. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 747.82 748.16 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 748.48 748.75 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 749.78 751.65 What is uh next, please? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 750.98 751.65 Yeah, channel. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 751.65 754.33 I this is volume control and channel changes. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 754.33 755.34 These are the main 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 754.08 755.83 Uh, it depends on the Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 755.59 758.46 And you can uh do di two sites? 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 758.46 758.75 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 757.16 757.32 You 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 764.55 765.76 So if you don't want 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 759.25 764.55 Yeah, and you can do on L. C. D. using these going to scrolling all the option. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 758.45 759.25 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 762.32 763.2 Okay, also. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 764.45 771.17 So but, for instance, because the L. C. D. is not uh touch control, touch screen, you cannot go to channel twenty five directly. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 767.63 768.53 Yeah, um yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 770.55 772.41 You can, by using the 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 770.84 771.14 Yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 770.89 771.65 You can. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 772.15 772.58 Directly. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 790.54 794.48 And if you want to make to s twenty-five, you push on this. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 776.74 777.47 So that's simple. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 786.46 790.54 Or if you go to the site, it's channel up channel down. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 781.93 786.46 With two buttons, you do this like uh volume up, volume down. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 772.8 776.74 You go you So, the basic mode Yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 777.47 781.93 The basic mode is uh you got just two buttons and a jog dial. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 774.42 776.81 You c push here the the yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 780.02 780.28 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 782.06 783.51 Oh, it's a jog dial, okay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 786.02 786.28 Uh-huh. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 786.26 786.94 And channel. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 789.82 790.24 Okay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 794.63 794.9 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 795.07 796.02 You can select. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 799.62 800.08 That's it. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 795.56 799.62 You select twenty, you select five. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 798.06 800.1 Okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 800.18 800.42 Yeah mm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 807.21 808.16 That's uh You're right. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 801.21 804.85 It's much longer than that that being two two five, no? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 804.85 806.02 Don't you think so? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 806.02 807.21 May not okay, we can go. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 802.82 803.13 No. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 807.84 808.25 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 808.25 811.53 Y you need to like press two and five and Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 811.9 815.01 But it's it's nice, because people anyway don't go there. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 815.01 815.48 But 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 808.84 811.9 That's it's less uh Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 815.09 815.64 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 815.64 815.83 Yeah mm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 820.58 821.78 Seems to be useful. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 816.83 820.58 So what do you think for it, usefulness? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 827.69 827.99 So 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 820.53 827.69 So, d Yeah, we need to address we want we only address two main functions here and the other functions will be on L. C. D. . 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 828.24 835.16 Let me understand well, because I'm not sure that's for that this one are b d uh two dir directional button. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 835.16 836.01 Yeah, two 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 829.34 829.58 so 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 832.32 832.66 Both. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 834.71 834.93 Yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 835.27 836.15 Yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 836.15 836.46 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 835.58 835.93 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 835.75 836 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 836.5 837.62 Up down or left right. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 837.62 837.78 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 836.53 836.72 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 836.68 837.26 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 837.26 837.55 Up. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 838.01 839.71 And which what is that? 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 837.38 838.01 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 840.69 841.21 That 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 840.85 844.47 It's a jog dial for controlling the cursor on the L. C. D. screen. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 844.47 845.85 Like, selecting the menus. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 840.99 842.24 This is jog wheel. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 844.21 846.09 It's a kind Oh, okay okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 843.49 844.21 Okay, okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 844.09 844.33 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 845.21 849.84 Um, see in L. C. D., like you will have blocks and you select which one. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 846.4 847.1 Cool. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 848.7 850.24 Oh oh okay, great. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 850.28 851.52 I would say then uh 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 851.46 854.22 Now it's looks us useful. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 854.22 854.46 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 856.16 856.38 Two. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 854.81 856.16 Two or three? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 853.44 854.81 Two or three? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 853.71 853.84 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 855.07 855.25 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 855.75 859.93 Two, maybe. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 856.89 860.27 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 857.11 858.62 Okay, two. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 859.41 862.27 So size and weight. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 863.82 864.45 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 865.01 870.54 Is it the the the effective size and weight that the Is it uh real size, real weight? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 870.54 874.77 Or Because it Size is going to be that, yeah? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 871.56 873.83 Yeah, it's size al almost 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 881.4 881.59 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 879.16 881.4 We will s We use titanium. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 874.42 879.16 Yeah, because it is The weight will be bit lighter. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 876.23 877.38 Uh, and and 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 879.86 883.12 Sure, without titanium alloy, it's going to be light. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 880.48 880.64 Mm-mm. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 883.2 884.48 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 884.48 884.74 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 883.44 889.69 It's going to be lighter, because this seems to be very heavy f I mean, for my daughter, for instance. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 889.69 892.36 Not sure if uh she can use it. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 884.54 885.4 Of course. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 886.59 886.73 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 886.05 886.59 Heavy. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 887.82 888.05 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 888.29 888.58 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 892.71 894.74 But sides uh, the sides should be okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 894.74 896.03 Yeah mm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 893.64 895.62 So, should be okay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 896.9 905.53 Up to three for that, because I'm haven't seen the weight so I must not uh Colour and shape. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 898.36 899 Mm-mm. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 901.49 901.92 Okay. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 900.26 901.49 Okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 900.64 900.78 Oh. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 905.69 906.26 Uh-oh. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 923.84 924.48 Okay, okay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 915.43 921.29 But um, it's not very clear what is the colour of the sh the sh the case. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 910.22 915.43 Well, so colour, it seems that we have the several colours for the L. C. D. . 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 927.15 927.63 Okay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 921.29 923.84 It's a it's going to be titanium. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 924.48 926.31 That's nice. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 926.31 927.15 I think it's good. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 914.77 914.94 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 915.32 915.47 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 919.52 920.86 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 920.69 922.36 The case is silver titanium, no? 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 922.04 923.36 Yeah, it's. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 923.79 924.03 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 925.38 926.17 Let's imagine. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 933.44 933.95 But, uh 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 930.34 931.98 I'm not convince. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 931.98 933.44 But maybe I'm not trendy. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 927.37 930.34 And what about the strawberries on the top? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 931.96 933.01 Yahoo. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 939.13 939.77 So 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 934.44 939.13 Well y you know, it's this uh fruit and vegetable year. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 935.24 935.42 Oh. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 938.63 939.15 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 939.15 939.25 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 942.09 943.48 I I mean it that's uh 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 938.93 942.09 Yeah, but uh uh they're not useful. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 941.85 943.06 So maybe, I think 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 943.12 951 Uh, I think usefulness is m as as I rem um just have to remind you that usefulness is much less important than fanciness. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 951 954.2 Whether it's fancy or not now, it we have to decide. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 954.2 956.39 But this If it's 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 947.17 947.53 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 947.38 947.55 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 950.3 950.71 Yep. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 950.52 951.45 Yeah, well 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 952.92 953.42 Um 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 952.73 952.92 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 953.11 953.37 Hmm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 955.73 961.18 I would have m uh i found more fancy that the fruits are useful. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 961.41 961.74 Uh-huh. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 961.74 965.69 So, that they will that maybe the fruit may be here instead. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 964.93 965.25 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 973.95 981.14 So, maybe think we can have rubber or some sponges, stuff for strawberries and different colours. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 967.98 973.95 Not like this d We're just giving the fruit for more fanciness and more attraction, too. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 981.14 983.47 So it's Even 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 966.07 967.98 Yeah, well then it's bit difficult to use. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 971.33 972.39 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 972.39 973.57 But the n Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 980.72 980.99 Mm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 981.83 986.3 So, it seems we are not so clear on the shape uh 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 985.51 988.66 No, I'm not sure uh why uh if it was like this 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 985.63 987.06 These buttons 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 996.61 1000.12 Even if you lose one you can just put whatever. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 989.28 992.63 But it looks really not really good. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 992.63 995.03 I mean, the f Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1000.12 1003.17 Even we can provide many different colours or different fruits, and 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 995.03 996.61 So these are kind of rubber things. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 989.92 990.31 I 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 990.98 994.38 It's n no, it's not fancy any more. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 997.87 998.31 Okay. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 999.92 1000.84 And 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1001.93 1002.4 Uh-huh. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1003.64 1004.83 Okay, I see what 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1002.4 1003.64 And different routes. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1006.44 1011.07 Even if it is, you know, it's very rounded, but still you got some rubber fruit here 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1002.5 1006.44 Moreover, moreover it covers it covers all the end goals. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1011.07 1016.31 and it's completely uh completely secure to leave it uh with children and that. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1006.07 1006.35 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1011.09 1011.37 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1015.75 1021.37 Okay, so you you you feel like it's something uh a protection for the remote control. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1016.3 1016.77 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1020.38 1021.39 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1028.3 1031.05 But this is really fancy. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1019.09 1020.38 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1021.39 1028.3 Yeah, we've yeah we have sensors here and so here and here, so we just Yeah, so even if you don't put, it works. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1025.21 1025.9 Also. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1029.36 1029.66 Okay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1038.53 1039.08 But 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1029.74 1032.11 I suggested three. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1032.11 1038.53 Because uh, everybody s doesn't seem to be convince, although it's quite You have good arguments. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1031.85 1032.3 Okay. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1036.59 1037.01 Okay. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1035.58 1036.59 Okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1036.78 1037.11 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1038.08 1038.36 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1039.77 1040.2 Okay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1041.83 1044.16 And uh the last one is adaptive. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1044.16 1051.97 This is not r maybe not as important as the other one, but uh can we adapt it to each each personal use? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1047.35 1047.86 Yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1052.26 1053.89 Sure, sure, just look at it. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1061.96 1063.73 That What else can we need? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1059.98 1061.96 So you can fit into your palm, okay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1063.73 1066.94 You Do you think you are gonna be able to do that with ti titanium as well? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1057.73 1058.76 Fully adaptable. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1058.76 1059.98 That's Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1053.85 1057.73 Great. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1053.96 1058.27 It's full adaptable. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1056.68 1059.66 Wow, that's a 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1058.64 1061.19 Yeah, you can fit it into your palm, you know. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1061.67 1062.35 Yea 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1061.97 1062.81 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1062.81 1064.45 You can Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1070.19 1071.88 And uh 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1068.64 1069.33 You know. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1069.33 1070.19 Right, yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1066.79 1068.64 Yeah, it's fudge titanium. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1069.83 1071.82 Yeah, fruit titanium, yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1071.82 1077.2 Well, I if if this is if you are ready to do that, then I think it deserves a one. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1067.61 1069.83 It's fudge, yeah, yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1069.57 1070.47 Mm, 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1075.45 1078.88 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1077.19 1077.96 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1077.96 1079.03 Let's go for one. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1078.46 1080.4 Okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1080.76 1080.92 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1082.18 1084.39 Now we have to do the average. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1085.28 1088.94 Three, three, six, eight, eleven. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1086.83 1088.86 Who is good in math? 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1089.06 1090.91 It's two point one seven. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1099.52 1101.51 I think we have a good 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1091.81 1093.26 Okay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1093.26 1095.15 Two point one seven. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1095.89 1099.52 Two point one seven out of seven. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1095.15 1095.89 That's nice. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1098.5 1098.71 Hmm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1102.45 1102.73 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1107.96 1108.46 So 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1102.9 1104.35 good thing. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1104.35 1107.96 Well, that's all I had to say about the evaluation. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1108 1109.23 So it's a good evaluation. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1110.66 1111.32 We have uh 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1109.35 1110.66 It seems to be good, yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1110.28 1110.51 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1110.51 1110.59 Mm. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1110.32 1111.32 Yeah mm. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1111.32 1112.83 Yeah, two one one seven, we have. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1112.83 1113.52 So 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1112.24 1112.51 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1113.15 1113.52 Mm-mm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1113.99 1115.07 Okay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1115.07 1115.44 Thanks. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1113.25 1113.99 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1117.85 1123.03 So now, it has to fulfil the financial criterium? 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1116.81 1117.85 Okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1121.4 1121.85 Financi 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1123.49 1123.78 Ah-ha. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1124.99 1128.41 So, I have an Here. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1128.41 1129.1 Um 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1135.28 1136.93 Uh, we use bat 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1134.3 1135.28 Energy. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1134.58 1138.04 So so how many batteries do we need? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1138.04 1138.72 One battery? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1138.91 1139.02 Yep. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1137.31 1138.91 One battery. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1139.08 1140.49 Okay, so two. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1139.99 1140.19 Good. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1141.41 1141.83 Why two? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1143.94 1145.4 Oh, we just need one, I guess. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1144.2 1146.49 Say no. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1146.49 1148.31 No, ne never install. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1148.3 1148.98 Uh-huh. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1149.35 1150.42 Two batteries or one? 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1151.07 1151.53 Oh. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1152.99 1153.97 We need only one battery. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1152.18 1152.99 No, number is one. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1153.67 1154.09 Only one. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1157.55 1158.03 I'm sorry. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1155.94 1156.56 Oh, number. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1156.56 1157.55 Sorry sorry sorry. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1153.89 1155.94 Yeah yeah, but the price is two. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1156.8 1157.46 No, no way. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1156.16 1156.8 But no, no. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1155.67 1156.16 No, no. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1156.25 1158.44 No, uh you just Number. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1158.44 1158.59 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1156.71 1157.28 Number, number. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1161.33 1162.09 Good. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1159.01 1161.33 You never use uh Excel? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1157.8 1159.01 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1158.97 1160.01 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1158.11 1158.97 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1160.01 1160.36 Oh. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1160.49 1161.8 No, never. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1161.44 1165.17 How What what's the limit? 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1163.16 1167.11 H 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1163.47 1166.85 It's twelve bucks. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1169.31 1170.48 Twelve bucks. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1173.01 1177.61 Check that number also. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1165.91 1169.31 Uh, it's it's okay that I don't know, 'cause uh it's not my field. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1170.48 1173.01 Okay, now Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1170.8 1171.96 Twelve and a half, I think. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1170 1170.8 Twelve bucks. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1172.78 1173.44 So we 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1173.23 1173.46 Okay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1173.93 1179.58 Okay, electronics. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1179.58 1180.04 So 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1180.94 1182.39 Uh, like simple chip, yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1186.92 1192.63 And then we have the t sample speaker sensor for speech recognition. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1184.17 1184.64 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1182.39 1184.17 So, yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1184.64 1186.92 Four buttons at least. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1179.32 1180.94 We have sample chip. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1182.31 1183.58 Simple chip, okay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1183.58 1183.93 One. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1181.2 1182.31 It's a simple chip? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1185.96 1186.22 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1186.52 1187.07 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1188.13 1189.17 And for the 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1193 1193.69 One also. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1194.13 1195.31 One? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1195.31 1195.66 Okay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1193.7 1194.13 One or two? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1193.73 1194.94 Yeah, one to one. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1194.94 1195.42 Yeah, one. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1196.83 1199.67 So the case, which one uh is it in the end? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1200.81 1203.57 Yeah, I think we will go for a single curve, no? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1203.95 1205.05 Let's do a single curve. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1204.74 1205.72 Oh, is 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1205.28 1206.06 It's it's flat. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1206.4 1208.17 It's flat, and curved. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1207.99 1209.58 Oh, okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1206.78 1207.99 Oh. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1208.66 1218.78 I thought you can curve somebody. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1208.73 1209.29 It's flat. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1213.15 1217.13 It's curvable, but it's not curved. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1210.21 1213.15 But it is flat, you Look. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1211.51 1216.23 It's curvable. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1219.03 1220.14 It's only curve? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1216.34 1219.03 Maybe there is a supplement for that, no? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1220.14 1220.8 Okay, let's go. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1218.99 1220.33 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1220.33 1223.24 Oh see, I I think that the the price is this one. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1221.55 1222.46 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1221.84 1230.65 This Okay, you d We tried, we tried. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1224.98 1231.1 Don't chip on me. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1224.41 1224.98 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1231.2 1231.42 Oh. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1231.69 1232.83 Oh, okay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1232.46 1233.45 So, what is it? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1236.28 1236.64 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1235.23 1236.28 Mm, that's expensive. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1233.45 1235.23 T titanium? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1232.84 1233.52 Titanium. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1234.72 1235.31 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1234.95 1235.43 Mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1236.19 1236.97 Mm-mm. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1237.01 1237.41 Mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1239.2 1241.9 But she wanted u the fudge titanium. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1237.76 1239.2 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1241.9 1246.07 I think it's five, but you don't say. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1239.33 1240.68 Okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1240.79 1241.53 Yeah, well 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1241.21 1245.9 Let's stick to s titan. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1245.9 1246.74 Special colour? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1246.74 1248.18 No because uh 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1246.88 1247.92 Well, n Why three? 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1247.92 1248.54 Why three? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1247.17 1247.94 No, only one, no? 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1247.8 1247.99 Mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1249.5 1252.31 Again, I'm See it. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1248.8 1249.5 Oh, sorry. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1250.04 1252.35 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1250.27 1250.59 Um 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1252.45 1255.47 Special colour, or it's only on the 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1252.48 1253.53 Interface. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1254.16 1254.28 Oh. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1257.41 1257.76 Ok 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1255.94 1257.41 Yes, in L. C. D. display. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1260.84 1261.83 So I put it here. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1257.58 1260.84 Yeah, but there is no colour here. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1259.54 1261.26 Yeah, an Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1264.4 1265.25 Push-button. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1265.8 1266.59 So the L. C. D. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1267.17 1268.54 How many push-button? 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1268.54 1269.68 Three or two? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1267.25 1267.73 Scro 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1269.14 1270.13 Uh, two. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1271.4 1271.55 Two. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1271.94 1273.54 Is there The scroll-wheel, okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1273.56 1273.73 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1273.56 1273.76 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1276.66 1277.92 It's going to be expensive. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1279.45 1280.47 One L. C. D. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1277.06 1279.45 One scroll wheel. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1281.94 1282.54 displayed. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1283.22 1284.67 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1287.84 1288.78 Um 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1291.65 1294.57 That's that's not We choose this one, and not this one. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1292.28 1292.75 No. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1291.67 1292.28 That's all? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1292.54 1292.89 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1294.72 1300.03 Oh, I think, no it's Uh, is it a scroll wheel and pe push button, th this centre one? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1300.03 1302.21 Or only only scroll wheel, okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1296.15 1296.85 Yeah, it's cheaper. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1298.83 1300.03 Or only a scroll-wheel. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1298.99 1299.19 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1300.28 1301.58 Only scroll wheel. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1301.58 1301.9 Yeah mm. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1303.73 1304.32 So 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1304.21 1308.99 You are trying to make make up make us up. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1308.31 1313.33 Because how do you do to y select? 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1304.46 1308.31 You try to s No, no, no. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1307.71 1308.33 It's already 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1313.66 1314.62 Ah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1313.67 1316.34 No, but you select with the two d the other two buttons, no? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1315.87 1316.33 Y ye 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1315.91 1320.54 Yeah, I mean you you go on the location with your scroll wheel and then you 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1316.77 1317.12 That's true. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1319.04 1319.31 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1319.21 1319.96 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1323.5 1328.84 And it will activate Um, plus, yeah, it's price is really 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1319.96 1323.5 Then it automatically we can just do like you feel, it goes. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1320.66 1320.92 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1323.23 1324.2 Stay longer. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1328.07 1329.65 Okay, okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1325.47 1328.07 Oops. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1329.65 1330.57 Um 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1324.2 1325.47 Okay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1323.72 1324.43 It should stay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1324.43 1324.88 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1330.06 1331.3 Special colours, yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1331.71 1332.01 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1332.07 1332.8 For buttons. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1332.15 1332.27 Okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1335.98 1336.17 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1333.62 1335.98 Yeah, buttons and strawberries. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1333.63 1335.78 No, buttons just normal. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1339.2 1340.22 Special form. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1340.45 1342.11 You you have all of these, no? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1347.79 1348.73 Special colour? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1342.62 1347.79 She's very hard on this. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1345.98 1349.85 Mm maybe n not this one but 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1350.76 1351.15 No. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1351.15 1352.4 Special material? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1350.07 1350.76 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1353.19 1354.43 Uh, we have titan 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1353.64 1354.54 That's for buttons. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1354.54 1355.79 But buttons are standard. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1357.33 1358.73 It's only buttons, these. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1357.09 1357.33 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1355.2 1357.09 Yeah, buttons are the standard buttons. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1358.49 1359.58 Yeah, so 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1359.8 1361.08 Nothing special. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1361.63 1363.21 So we are at seventeen dot eight. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1361.08 1361.63 Okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1360.95 1361.24 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1363.82 1366.08 Not special colours an interest in? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1366.23 1367.76 No, the colour is in the L. C. D. . 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1368.19 1370.57 And buttons are not colourised? 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1372.13 1373.33 They are m 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1372.14 1372.77 I no. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1376.79 1378.08 Yeah, and uh 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1372.23 1376.79 Mm, hmm, I think uh because you can just go for a good colours. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1377.5 1381 It's 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1375.38 1377.5 We can just use this red. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1382.55 1383.15 Apparently. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1380.38 1382.55 It's already too expensive. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1378.77 1380.38 Boo-hoo. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1382.07 1382.46 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1383.48 1387.31 So what is Are we supposed to cut things out now? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1387.31 1389.72 Uh, until we get twelve fifty. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1386.36 1386.56 Mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1386.02 1386.36 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1389.4 1389.48 Mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1388.8 1389.4 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1389.98 1390.49 Oh. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1394.73 1398.28 So think of what we can cut uh here. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1398.97 1400.44 Well, 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1402.68 1407.98 if I look at what is the most expensive things, uh it's the L. C. D. and the speaker. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1406.43 1408.43 Sample speaker. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1408.43 1408.77 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1410.21 1412.64 Apparently, we have to choose one or the other. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1413.23 1413.54 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1413.36 1413.68 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1414.63 1415.05 Yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1416.41 1424.78 Well, as you may know there's some research done in the field of producing energy from mechanical eng, I mean, producing electricity from mechanical energy. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1425.84 1430.62 So, the point is that when you take device and push the button, you produce enough energy 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1432.52 1434.37 But you don't need a battery? 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1434.37 1434.44 Mm. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1435.93 1437.86 So, it's something like hand dynamo robot. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1434.06 1435.93 Yeah, that you don't need a battery. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1432.89 1434.06 to make electricity. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1435.62 1435.96 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1439.39 1441.5 A real high-tech version of it. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1442.22 1443.08 So that would 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1442.31 1445.98 But um it's like the hand dynamo, no? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1446.55 1449.07 Maybe the jog wheel can be like kind of hand 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1448.36 1453.33 So, but if we select the hand dynamo it's okay, we only We we win one. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1454.34 1455.5 Okay, let's do that. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1453.33 1454.34 That's already that. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1451.42 1452.3 is 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1452.99 1453.89 Okay, but l 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1452.99 1453.29 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1453.94 1455.43 Uh it's a it's a beginning. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1455.43 1455.8 Okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1455 1455.38 Yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1455.59 1456.12 Let's do that. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1455.04 1455.59 Why not. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1457.06 1457.3 So 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1459.18 1460.63 One here and here. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1459.27 1460.68 Yeah, just remo 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1462.44 1462.64 'Kay. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1463.52 1468.14 And I propose to So uh, about chips. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1468.14 1470.94 Advanced chip on print, right? 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1470.94 1476.76 So, put minus one there, please. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1463.59 1463.82 S 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1470.39 1470.7 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1472.52 1476.02 I'm not sure if this is legal. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1472.86 1477.31 Mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1477.31 1479.69 That's right. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1473.86 1474.12 Yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1476.85 1477.27 Why not? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1481.31 1482.12 Uh, no. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1482.26 1482.67 And? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1482.59 1483 And? 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1483.83 1488.12 M maybe minus uh three, no? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1486.78 1488.2 No. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1488.2 1489.05 Okay, let's see. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1486.87 1487.02 Yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1488.32 1489.58 So, was there result? 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1489.58 1490.31 Let's have a look. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1488.6 1489.44 It's not 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1488.36 1488.6 No, no. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1488.86 1491.98 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1491.98 1492.14 Mm. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1491.34 1491.99 It you don't 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1490.37 1491.34 It's not changing, no? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1494.63 1495.63 Yes, it does. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1491.35 1494.63 Yeah, yeah, yeah, if Click somewhere, you'll see features. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1491.52 1491.96 Why? 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1494.39 1494.86 Oops. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1495.28 1506.29 So Oh, sorry. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1506.29 1506.61 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1496.81 1502.5 Maybe put minus two, so it looks uh more reasonable. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1503.29 1503.67 Why not. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1502.61 1503.29 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1504.18 1506.44 Yeah, anyway No, minus two. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1505.76 1506.44 Minus. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1509.92 1513.17 It's not recorded, is it? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1507.77 1509.92 Nobody will know. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1514.32 1514.71 Good. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1513.17 1514.32 Okay, we're on time. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1508.8 1514.03 Mm. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1512.2 1512.66 Good. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1514.2 1515.16 Okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1519.3 1520.86 Maybe we can use it for our party. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1515 1519.3 So now on, we can increase our Still you have two more. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1524.37 1526.08 Both its it's cool. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1522.46 1524.37 Oh. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1519.24 1522.46 Oh, we can put uh a hand dynamo and a battery if you want. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1522.03 1524.09 And a battery and a battery, yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1522.63 1522.96 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1524.06 1524.41 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1526.78 1529.66 No, now we are exp exceeding I think. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1529.66 1529.93 It 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1528.13 1534.23 Now it's fancy, let's add one instead of two. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1529.59 1530.44 Yeah, that 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1529.69 1530.46 Mm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1530.98 1531.84 Is it? 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1531.93 1535.39 Yeah, yeah y 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1533.16 1534.19 I think we're exceeding now. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1534.19 1535.44 We have to remove the 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1534.42 1536 No, but point five point three. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1537.75 1541.27 I think they are counting uh We would prefer, yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1543.99 1545.19 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1545.19 1546.27 Okay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1541.27 1542.47 Maximum is maximum. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1536.41 1537.75 Uh, it's better. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1546.27 1547.73 Okay, we're uh on target. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1542.47 1543.99 So, remove one of them. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1536.71 1537.05 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1539.71 1539.93 Mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1539.93 1542.64 It's maximum and don't have to Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1542.64 1543.22 Uh 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1539.19 1539.71 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1539.7 1541.4 Is really strict? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1541.4 1541.74 Oh. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1542.73 1543.16 Oh yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1546.84 1547.62 Uh, mm-mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1548.86 1549.31 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1548.39 1548.86 Mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1549.95 1555.21 So target reached. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1548.1 1548.39 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1549.31 1549.95 Mm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1552.16 1557.87 I'm just curious to see this uh my address chip on print. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1554.06 1558.81 Ho 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1557.12 1562.45 It's um English uh Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1560.88 1562.54 Trick. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1562.54 1570.81 Uh, I would say it's the Russian trick, but Anyway No, they may have some their origins, strange origins 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1564.49 1567.18 Yeah, but uh is uh English. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1567.18 1568.93 So Mm. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1568.08 1568.62 Oh. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1568.62 1569.48 Uh 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1569.4 1569.9 I don't know. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1568.11 1569.4 Well, I don't know. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1571.3 1574.43 I am not sure who was programming this calculator, you know. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1576.82 1577.52 'Cause uh 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1579.33 1582.66 I wonder if we put A. or B. somewhere instead of a number. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1584.76 1589.05 Let's finish this meeting instead. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1582.51 1584.76 No, no, no. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1585.7 1588.11 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1582.71 1585.7 Mm, let's try. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1584.81 1590.04 And we can discuss all these things in our party. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1588.48 1589.74 I save it uh 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1591.59 1592.26 What else? 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1593.64 1596.16 Okay, so next mm 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1601.92 1602.55 No. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1602.55 1603.57 This is right. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1602.61 1603.44 No, that's yours. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1603.44 1603.73 Sorry. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1612.69 1613.44 Yes. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1611.11 1612.69 Are the cost under twelve? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1607.81 1611.11 Okay, so finance, that's done. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1613.44 1614.87 Project evaluation, good. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1609.11 1609.37 'Kay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1612.52 1613.72 Mm yeah, very much. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1615.27 1615.82 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1615.82 1616.64 So now 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1615.88 1616.49 Next slide. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1617.09 1618.14 Project process. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1618.81 1622.53 We have to make um 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1622.55 1624.93 Safe uh asse uh safe assessment. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1625.15 1625.38 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1625.38 1625.85 Mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1625.85 1629.58 See mm how Are we a good team? 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1623.7 1625.15 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1629.58 1629.7 Mm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1630.77 1633.64 Yeah, I think we've listened to everybody. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1633.64 1635.63 Everybody could say what they thought. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1630.83 1631.39 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1633.25 1633.61 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1637.52 1638.07 Mm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1637.86 1638.49 And uh 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1639.56 1641.32 Is there enough room for creativity? 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1642.03 1643.04 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1642.67 1644.77 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1643.71 1643.96 Mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1643.96 1644.48 And you. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1644.75 1656.79 When we see the results, there is no doubt there Maybe a lack of leadership? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1644.17 1644.75 Yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1644.63 1644.96 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1646.04 1647.03 Yeah, it's really 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1647.09 1647.59 Mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1649.14 1649.8 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1649.8 1651.25 Well, project evaluation. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1647.59 1649.14 Oh. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1653.52 1658.26 Yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1656.34 1657.38 M maybe not, huh? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1659.18 1660.4 Team-work, no problem. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1657.2 1659.18 Team-work, very strong, I would say. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1658.51 1660.45 Yeah, our team-work is really strong. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1661.86 1662.6 Means. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1663.76 1665.25 Whiteboard, digital pens. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1665.86 1667.33 Oh, we still, I guess. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1666.92 1669.59 What was the Oh yeah, what was good? 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1669.59 1670.64 Everything. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1670.64 1671.65 What was bad? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1672.59 1673.93 Digital pens, useful. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1670.49 1672.59 Yeah, I think white-board is useful. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1674.98 1675.23 Hmm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1679.17 1680.11 New ideas found? 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1680.27 1684.21 So, you say, is there sheep? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1680.79 1681.16 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1689.41 1692.11 So luck, but good. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1692.11 1695.48 Which imply good uh team performance. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1688.79 1689.41 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1685.27 1688.79 Luck. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1692.11 1692.75 But uh 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1694.87 1696.99 Yeah, but uh then I I mus 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1695 1695.4 Yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1695.4 1699.92 A good leader, you know, a good leader is somewhere in the shade and 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1700.12 1702.6 And there's uh one very important point. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1702.6 1703.26 We're on time. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1699.39 1700.12 That's true. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1700.92 1701.5 Don't really. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1703.72 1704.17 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1703.77 1704.24 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1705.16 1708.77 Meetings finish when they have to or even before. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1705.2 1706.17 And we also 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1709.88 1714.5 We made Mm. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1708.88 1709.88 Mm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1710.2 1712.95 The for meeting it's uh one of the most important thing. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1713.16 1713.81 Of course. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1713.81 1714.12 Uh 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1715.68 1716.09 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1716.09 1716.24 Mm. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1716.39 1718.57 Not to waste time, that's important. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1717.93 1718.56 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1718.56 1728.94 Yeah, we have other uh remote controls to create. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1720.13 1720.36 Hmm. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1720.23 1721.54 We need time f 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1722.12 1729.33 Okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1722.62 1731.26 Ah, we got new idea, speech recognition, location finding. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1731.04 1732.17 A lot of uh 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1731.47 1732.54 New materials. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1732.72 1734.49 Mm. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1732.76 1736.43 New materials, new s uh this fancy strawberry design. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1736.24 1742.88 Yeah, uh new ways of doing financial 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1736.38 1736.96 Mm, yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1738.1 1745.81 Hey, just wondering if my uh what about the the pink the pinkness of that uh 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1739.38 1742.25 And new tricks. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1745.73 1746.08 Mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1747.2 1747.48 Mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1747.48 1750.38 They're working on um pink titanium. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1747.76 1750.76 They are working on a Okay, good. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1749.92 1753.56 Ah, very. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1754.87 1758.6 There's no no other words for that. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1753.77 1754.87 I think we are great. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1753.92 1754.53 Budget. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1754.89 1755.03 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1758.8 1760.81 We are probably the best. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1763.36 1763.66 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1760.81 1763.36 Real Reaction is uh Yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1759.48 1760.04 Alright. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1760.76 1761.64 Mm yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1764.61 1766.23 Okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1763.52 1763.88 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1761.64 1763.52 Yeah, we're really nice. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1766.23 1767.07 I think it's 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1763.88 1764.61 Mm. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1764.57 1766.49 Finished? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1767.55 1768.39 Ah, celebration. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1771.81 1773.01 Is the project evaluated? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1769.76 1770.68 Of course they are. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1768.39 1769.76 Are the costs within the budget? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1770.68 1771.81 Yeah. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1773.01 1775.2 Yes, it is. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1769.95 1771.1 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1771.1 1774.13 Uh How Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1774.13 1775.71 Mm. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1770.3 1770.69 Yeah. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1771.51 1771.79 Okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1773.09 1775.71 Yeah, yeah, it's We got two Good score. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1773.1 1773.72 Yeah, it is. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1775.2 1777.89 So, we see, we can even forecast. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1779.31 1784.21 they propose us like celebration, everything, we could forecast it, right? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1785.27 1786.38 To the whole our company? 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1784.29 1785.27 To whom? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1786.8 1796.56 Oh, okay. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1789.57 1795.47 Of course, you know I'm the program manager. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1787.27 1789.57 I'm the one, proposing the celebration. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1789.78 1790.18 You? 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1791.08 1791.86 It was you. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1792.79 1793.51 Okay. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1794.55 1795.43 So, let's celebrate. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1795.43 1798.4 Uh 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1797.64 1800.46 Ah um, I think it's finish. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1795.72 1797.64 Mm-hmm. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1796.83 1797.87 So where we will go now? 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1798.66 1801.84 Uh, ye Will go to Italian restaurant, or 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1799.29 1800.52 I think the meeting 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1801.32 1802.61 The meeting is over at least. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1802.61 1804.85 So, we have to go out. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1802.47 1802.58 Mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1802.23 1802.47 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1803.39 1805.01 We can decide. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1802.69 1803.39 Ah, okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1805.01 1805.32 Yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1805.6 1807.21 And we go to the party. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1804.13 1805.6 Mm-mm. 
IS1006d H01 MIO040 1804.8 1805.96 Okay. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1807.28 1807.97 Yeah. 
IS1006d H02 MIO078 1807.97 1808.37 Thank you. 
IS1006d H03 MIO008 1807.4 1808.79 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1809.96 1810.03 Mm. 
IS1006d H00 FIO041 1808.72 1809.96 thank you to you. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 42.37 42.77 Hmm. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 72.45 74.15 Good morning everybody. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 73.88 77.19 Good morning. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 75.15 77.15 Good morning. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 75.16 75.7 Good morning. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 77.65 81.38 So, we are asked to 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 83.57 90.66 to make uh uh a new remote control for television. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 92.25 103.28 And the characteristics of this new remote control should be original and 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 104.78 108.83 trendy and of course user user friendly. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 109.94 113.79 So people can can use it without any 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 115.12 115.63 any problem. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 134.63 135.53 I don't know. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 138.3 144.24 Well, I think we should set the the points to to drive the project and uh 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 142.78 143.1 Mm. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 144.05 146.21 B did you send us an email about this? 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 146.86 150.7 Uh, not yet, but if you want 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 149.75 154.83 Yeah, we we received an email about this uh d designs. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 154.52 157.04 Do you want do you want me to send you a mail? 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 157.5 162.44 Ah it's Okay. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 158.16 159.36 Or 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 161.79 164.14 Or you can put it in the shared folder. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 164.1 165.49 Yeah, you see the email? 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 166.26 170.21 The v very no, no the first one. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 170.21 170.79 It's inside. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 165.49 166.26 You email. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 167.98 168.96 No, I didn't get it. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 171.54 172.17 Uh 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 173.57 173.88 No. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 172.64 173.57 This one. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 173.32 174.8 No, no. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 174.8 175.31 The third one. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 177.52 178.51 Oh, you didn't get anything. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 179.43 180.1 No,. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 180.46 181.17 It's strange. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 182.5 186.41 Mm. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 190.05 190.33 Yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 186.41 190.05 I got an email about the dis about the discussion. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 191.27 194.88 You get email,. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 198.31 198.62 Yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 195.37 196.24 From the account manager. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 192.79 195.37 I dunno from who. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 196.24 198.31 You have received the same email, right? 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 193.92 195.5 Yeah, from the account manager. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 197.53 197.81 Yeah. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 199.22 205.21 I think it's for your guys to how to design it all the aspects so you need that information. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 204.31 204.66 Yeah. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 205.5 206.29 Yeah, I think so. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 206.79 208.78 Yeah, so each of us has a role to do. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 208.76 212.18 Yeah I think assign your uh roles. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 209.44 209.65 S 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 210.23 210.99 In each 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 212.18 213.17 We already have our role. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 212.39 213.88 For each for each one. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 213.29 214.56 For each person, yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 214.01 215.96 'Kay, we can 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 219.02 223.31 We have functional design, conceptual design, and detail design. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 216.28 219.02 So there are so we have three f yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 217.09 219.36 So there are three kinds of designs, that's all. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 221.92 223.72 Okay, alright. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 224.21 228.94 So, who will be the the responsible for the functional design? 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 228.94 230.62 Any any volunteer? 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 231.37 237.97 I think our uh responsibilities will be assigned when we in our mail we received from the account manager. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 235.3 237.77 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 239.36 239.61 Uh 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 239.88 240.81 I'm doing the interface. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 241.58 242.12 You are doing th 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 242.21 245.3 No, I'm doing the interface. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 246.26 248.59 Are you using the you are doing the in 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 247.05 248.33 Yeah I I'm I'm 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 251.3 256.19 Well, maybe we have okay so I industrial design. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 257.33 261.39 It was a little confusion about my uh but it's alright. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 260.48 261.37 Ah 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 262.27 262.64 Okay. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 262.44 265.04 Okay, I'll for industrial design. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 264.72 264.94 Yeah. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 267.02 267.94 Okay. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 269.92 271.79 And and you 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 273.24 273.52 Norman? 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 274.3 275.51 Mm? 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 275.51 278.89 Um working on i. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 279.12 279.26 User. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 279.68 282.43 User interface. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 286.61 287.7 And 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 295.89 296.27 And 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 301.92 303.98 yeah nothing much in the project. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 297.95 301.92 Uh, I'm into marketing. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 300.09 301.87 doing the marketing. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 305.58 307.12 Nothing related here to the 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 309.43 312.45 A design is basically for industrial design and the user interface. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 307.27 309.43 Marketing in this design. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 309.61 309.95 Yes. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 318.29 319.22 You see the second mail? 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 322.05 323.44 Yeah, it's inside. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 323.44 323.81 Go down. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 326.77 327.36 Appendix. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 328.09 329.33 Yeah, this is. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 328.67 330.06 See there's a role for everybody. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 330.3 331.73 Yeah, that's right, first. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 331.41 332.46 Even for the marketing. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 332.97 335.57 us user define. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 335.48 337.54 Next. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 335.58 337.95 But look at your role, your marketing role. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 342.97 344.08 There's a trend watching. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 343.86 346.27 I don't know. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 346.27 347.23 I. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 344.16 345.97 Yeah, that's your role. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 346.29 356.68 Well, I think we can have a little discussion about what has to be done and what are your ideas about the 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 355.51 356.62 About the design or 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 357.81 360.21 Maybe we'll discuss this later, no? 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 364.63 370.13 Well, w we want to have a new re remote control for for T. V. distribution I guess. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 371.27 371.54 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 371.93 377.93 So we have to plan how how it would be developed and uh 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 376.45 376.68 Yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 376.7 376.99 Mm. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 379.48 381.02 how we can make it work. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 381.65 381.98 Yes. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 382.32 384.19 I mean working remotes we already have. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 384.19 389.71 This will be something different from the other remotes remote controls. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 390.66 391.66 Yeah, I dunno I 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 397.85 400.83 And of course it should not be very costly. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 390.8 397.85 What we we have to keep in mind the these characteristics. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 401.24 401.95 Yeah, that's right. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 401.92 402.59 So 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 402.51 405.07 Yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 405.96 406.28 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 407.9 419.91 Well I I think that Norman and I would think about um the technical points and um we should discuss it in the next meeting, or 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 421.12 424.39 Need to collect information. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 422.76 423.67 Yeah. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 425.18 426.86 About the about what? 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 427.46 428.03 Um. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 430.54 433.89 I I'm part of design, perhaps. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 434.95 437.24 Uh, what is most important in a 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 438.28 439.61 in a remote control? 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 440.92 442.96 What is the most important function aspect? 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 445.85 446.05 Uh. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 446.77 451.93 You mean the external or 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 454.61 457.89 That's the that's the big thing. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 451.94 454.61 Well, you have to make it work. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 453.83 456.28 Yeah of g of course. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 453.96 456.29 That's alright. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 457.35 459.39 Yeah, it should be easy to work with. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 459.77 460.13 Yeah. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 459.81 460.64 Yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 460.95 461.37 Yeah. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 461.76 464.84 We can think about an interface with uh well 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 464.97 465.44 Uh. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 465.44 469.47 We maybe you can have a speech uh recognition interface. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 474.53 478.22 Or or you can say for example, um 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 469.47 474.53 You just tell the television I want which channel. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 474.71 475.64 You won't 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 491.7 496.38 Just say maybe I just want to press I wanna have a button for all the movies tonight. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 478.53 482.66 I want uh to list all the programme tonight. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 482.66 491.7 Y you know, instead of uh remote control it's doing the some searching for you, so you don't have to look for the channel you want. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 497.52 501.86 Or a button for all the magazines, all the information documentary tonight. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 504.7 508.34 So instead of pressing the channel number, I am choosing the programmes directly. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 508.34 512.04 Yeah, that's one way of uh making it useful. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 501.86 504.7 And then you list a few, and I will choose from the list. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 508.32 508.81 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 511.73 518.16 I I think if we include a lot of technology on the remote control it will be very costly. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 521.53 523.68 For example you can get um 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 519.53 521.53 Th this information exists. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 515.99 519.53 No, because no, it's not very a lot. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 519.04 519.84 S 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 523.33 526.67 Like s uh you you you say we can use speech. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 537.6 537.9 Yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 527.54 531.16 You can use uh well for example anything. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 531.16 537.6 The the idea of using speech to reduce the button, but uh and it's more natural. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 535.88 536.13 I 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 536.94 546.3 I think if you want t to choose uh from a list of programme or or something like that you you may have to to use uh w uh I dunno 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 539.29 540.63 I'm a okay. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 541.78 542.04 Yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 540.53 541.78 Yeah. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 545.89 553.16 I mean the main uh function of remote control is to have something in the hand and we should be very careful about the size of the remote control. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 555.44 567.12 I'm not sure with trendy slim size of the remote control it would be able to put a speech recog if you want to put a speech recognition system f interface for that I think the T. V. itself could have it. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 553.16 555.44 If we are going to add a speech interface 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 550.02 550.83 In the hand. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 553.07 553.67 Yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 553.09 553.45 Yeah. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 553.14 553.66 Yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 555.05 555.47 Yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 559.57 560.8 Yes, possible. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 567.21 568.28 Yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 568.28 568.7 But 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 567.57 567.78 Yeah. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 568.28 570.12 And I could talk to the T. V. television itself. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 570.12 571.02 I need not have an 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 569.9 572.29 Except if if you are far from the T. V. . 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 572.41 573.83 Yeah. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 572.92 576.28 I mean we have some or something, different technology but 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 573.58 577.36 This is it's 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 576.12 584.82 But th the main idea I wanted to s I wanted to say is that um there should be a function, instead of choosing the ch T. V. channel,
IS1007a H01 MIO025 584.82 592.35 there's a option you can choose, either T. V. channels or or pr or the or the contain or the contents of the programme. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 574.87 576.12 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 592.35 593.66 So it's more powerful. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 588.32 589.17 On the content. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 589.96 590.83 Mm-hmm, yeah. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 592.04 592.27 Yeah 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 592.27 604.6 yeah it's it's a good idea it's a good idea but I I think that technically it would be um a little bit uh uh more tricky to to achieve this than just to 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 592.7 593.04 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 594.29 594.59 Yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 599.71 600.04 No. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 607.59 611.53 They they are they are they are available in X. M. L. format or whatever the format. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 625.17 629.6 Download it uh to the to this remote control. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 629.6 634 And then there's there are only six buttons for six categories, or sev seven. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 611.53 612.22 We don't care. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 645.14 652.2 so you don't have to choose among hundred channels, if you have hundred channels, you just have six buttons, seven buttons. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 636.04 645.14 So I just choose the category one and you reuse the same button, for example to to choose among the the sorted list the programme you want,
IS1007a H01 MIO025 620.13 625.17 Some of the websites they already provide this service, so we can just use the service available. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 614.42 620.13 We just want to retrieve the content and then classi sort them by the types of programmes. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 603.04 607.59 No, because you see now all the T. V. programmes are available on the webs. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 612.22 614.42 We just say that this are some content. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 634 636.04 The most there are only seven buttons. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 620.22 620.9 Yeah yeah. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 630 630.46 Mm. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 652.21 656.23 Yeah we should also optimise the the number of buttons. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 655.28 666.65 Well I I I I think that j just by using navigation buttons and the user interface on the screen we are able to uh navigate uh through the 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 655.38 657.03 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 656.85 658.52 This is good idea. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 661.99 662.33 Yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 667.29 668.24 So. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 666.6 667.29 Ah, yes. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 667.58 672.99 Well channel programme or contents or in an easy way, so 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 669.91 670.19 Yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 671.8 675.44 Yeah, so you don't have to display here, just display on the T. V. screen, right? 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 675.44 676.56 Good idea. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 674.62 681.87 Yeah in the dis display on the T. V. screen and just uh with the with your remote control would just navigate through the f 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 677.57 677.98 Okay. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 694.86 696 Yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 696 697.05 Alright. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 685.65 694.86 Because all the T. V. uh the the remote control have all numbers, lots of buttons and then you dunno what to choose in the end. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 682.08 685.65 I think I think that will be revol revolutionary. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 694.55 695.14 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 695.14 696.58 So 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 697.38 710.78 I think for for the technical points we have to to to check how to gather the data from programme or contents and all this stuff 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 710.28 710.68 Okay. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 711.13 713.21 So we have five minutes to 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 717.29 718.65 Five minutes. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 712.92 717.29 Ah w w we have sometimes to use the white-board. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 716.18 720.34 Ah you can y you can you can use it if you so, can we 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 718.8 725.16 And another interesting idea for this would be to have an light adaptation system depending upon the picture of 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 723.55 724.04 Okay. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 725.78 726.26 Okay. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 734.36 736.14 The lighting in the room changes. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 726.69 734.36 So, I mean, if you're watching a movie and suddenly there is a dark uh some dark scene, the lights adapt themself. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 730.6 730.88 Yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 732.8 732.94 Yeah. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 733.15 733.32 S 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 736.15 738.72 Yeah, but we are designing just remote control. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 737.15 740.22 You it. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 738.63 740.54 I mean, we have a option in the remote control. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 740.54 744.27 If we want to have that option, you press that button in the remote. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 742.55 743.13 Okay. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 743.12 744.99 Oh right so 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 744.28 754.41 Okay, do you want to have a conceptual remote control there, or you just want to put the function in? 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 754.41 755.36 Go on, draw something. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 748.72 749.43 Yeah. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 749.43 753.59 If if you you you can if you want you can use th the. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 750.83 753.57 Please, Norman, draw uh 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 761.34 763.22 Oh, I'm afraid you forgot to put your lapel. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 761.51 761.93 Mm. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 764.15 764.64 Where is it? 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 764.95 765.48 The lapel. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 765.68 770.28 Or before the before the the design that says. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 766 766.62 Ah, okay. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 770.23 770.49 Here. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 769.28 770.23 Where where is it? 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 770.64 771.28 Yeah, that one. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 774.37 775.35 Just plug it. 
IS1007a H03 MIO072 775.35 776.06 Yeah, that's right. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 774.66 775.11 Norman. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 775.71 775.89 Mm. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 786.46 786.56 Yeah. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 776.28 786.46 Be before before writing you can uh sit and that says what we what we said then after that you can you can use the. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 779.43 779.65 Mm. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 796.37 808.68 Uh, uh first one is to uh buttons i or it could be anything with buttons. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 784.72 785.82 Okay, alright. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 785.82 794.14 So so the most functional des mm the most important function is to ch choo buttons to choose the content. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 808.68 811.47 Uh to choose 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 794.56 796.37 We agree on that, right? 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 794.14 794.56 Right? 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 795.84 796.27 Okay. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 796.4 797.02 Okay. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 807.16 807.39 Yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 821.37 824.43 The user can choose w which one they want, right? 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 813.3 820.28 uh content s or channels. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 820.28 821.37 So we have both. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 824.16 827.39 Yeah, by content or by channel, it's a good idea. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 833.28 834.24 So 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 829.31 833.28 Choose by contents or by channels. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 826.18 829.31 By content or by channel. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 835.84 837.46 And then what did we say just now? 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 838.74 839.67 Other than this. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 840.1 844.35 And uh we we have to find a way how to gather information about the contents. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 840.36 840.95 Mm. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 843.83 852.96 Okay, so technically how the problems that how to do it is to how to get the content. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 853.22 853.42 Yeah. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 855.1 855.68 Challenge. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 855.13 861.44 I think i it's not very difficult to to browse by channel but it's a little bit tricky to browse by contents so 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 867.76 870.15 Okay, so these we have to work it out. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 870.15 872.51 So this one of the problem. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 864.32 867.76 Content. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 861.48 864.32 Okay. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 872.51 874.25 And uh 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 874.06 878.14 I think that's the the things to do and uh to uh 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 875.33 875.9 The main thing. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 878.94 879.36 Alright. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 877.73 878.94 Okay. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 879.22 880.65 reflect about it and uh 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 880.63 881.25 Alright, okay. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 891.21 893.75 That's the first aspect. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 893.75 894.17 Right. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 881.25 891.21 So we are we'll discuss it we will get some information in the next meeting, so for now we get uh the funct this is the functional designer? 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 881.28 882.69 discuss it in the next meeting. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 895.88 898.96 We will get information and then we'll come back in. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 900.02 900.45 Okay. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 901.65 905.92 Thank you everybody. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 903.97 905.73 Okay. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 905.73 909.63 So maybe we'll meet in maybe five minutes? 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 904.15 905.62 Yeah, we'll come. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 911.03 914.9 And we'll discuss the other other aspects. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 911.12 911.51 Alright. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 912.87 913.72 Alright, okay. 
IS1007a H02 MIO075 915.7 920.5 Okay. 
IS1007a H01 MIO025 916.39 916.89 Thank you, mis 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 917.95 921.67 Well thank you all. 
IS1007a H00 MIO049 916.77 917.95 Okay. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 37.54 40.49 So we come again for the the second meeting. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 41.17 41.43 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 42.34 45.07 Uh for the aim of this 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 45.99 46.39 meeting 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 47.46 48.31 now is to 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 51.25 53.43 to make presentation about 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 55.21 57.47 uh the work for each one. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 58.72 67.44 And take the the decision about the the design and the functionality of the the remote 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 62.97 63.43 Okay. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 69.79 75.31 And we have think I got a new project requirement. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 68.53 69.79 control. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 75.31 75.88 So I think 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 69.65 70.02 Okay. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 77.48 81 uh teletext becomes outdated. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 82.07 91.9 So the popularity of the since the popularity of the internet, and I think we don't need lighting adaptive 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 91.9 96.83 so the remote control should be only used for the the television. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 82.25 82.51 Okay. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 98.31 101.88 And of course we should have our image 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 102.98 104.15 in the in the design. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 106.59 108.2 So, let's start with the 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 112.23 113.84 the industrial designer. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 114.89 116.75 Yeah, alright. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 116.75 117.71 So uh 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 117.01 120.35 Or y you can use the whiteboard if you want. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 119.18 123.17 Well I have a PowerPoint pr presentation stored in my 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 122.23 122.68 Here. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 125.16 129.81 in my personal folder so I I I think you can reach it from here. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 130.26 131.22 Just go to explorer. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 132.84 133.44 Or open. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 133.09 133.69 Oh okay. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 136.05 137.55 Participant two. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 136.91 138.06 Participant two. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 143.36 143.71 This one. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 144.22 144.37 Yeah. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 145.47 147.06 Open uh. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 150.47 152.75 Uh open. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 151.3 152.35 Do you want to open 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 152.47 155.29 Because it's open you mean. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 153.84 160.68 Right, so um I will talk about the the w working design and 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 157.95 159.1 F. five. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 160.12 162.76 Slide show, view slide show,. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 162.3 162.63 Ah. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 187.47 205.24 So uh mm I'm thin uh I think uh I I'll do a survey about what is uh what is available on the market and what what is the the cheapest possible things we hav we can use. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 174.65 179.19 So uh can you go one page down, please. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 179.19 187.47 So I think the first things to do is to define the hardware components neededs to achieve uh what we want to do. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 163.16 174.65 And um well I I will present my my first idea on how to build the our new remote control for television. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 227.37 239.53 And when we are ready with this first prototype I I think we can add some software functionalities on a programmable chip like browsing by content or um things like that. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 219.73 227.37 And how an and we can uh start troubleshooting first uh com communication problems or things like that. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 206.89 219.73 Then uh I will try with the technical team to to build a prototype and to see uh with uh h how this little box would uh look look like. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 239.53 242.41 Okay so can you go down uh 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 258.69 266.5 Then two programmable chips for both software functionalities and communication. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 266.5 271.2 And the communication with the T. V. set is uh made through uh infrared communication 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 243.04 243.49 So 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 243.49 258.69 wha what I think for now is we don't want to have a remote control w which is wired so uh I think we u we can use a battery for the. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 285.93 294 uh battery and uh the two chips goes to the infrared uh connection to the T. V. set. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 274.31 285.93 So uh this is the the schema of the o of the future uh remote controls so uh you can you can see the components 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 277.57 280.12 Did you draw it? 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 278.23 281.02 Wow. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 292.79 294.08 This. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 294.08 295.13 What is the other chip for? 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 295.13 295.77 The one on top. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 294.02 294.69 This 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 296.24 307.38 The one on top is for the um well the functionali the functionalities and the the th red um sorry the green one is is to well,
IS1007b H02 MIO075 307.38 317.48 putting things together, um f transform the data into uh qu into the format to to uh to communicate with the T. V. set. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 299.14 300.52 One is a communication. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 312.42 312.81 For men. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 314.57 315.5 To the in 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 316.84 318 Okay. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 320.77 328.82 I think we should use a F. P. G. A. for for the functionalities which is easy to to t 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 319.06 320.77 And, that's it. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 324.98 325.23 Mm. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 328.02 329.09 What is F. P. G. A. ? 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 329.65 334.09 It's field programmable uh something array. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 334.09 334.71 Yeah. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 334.37 336.62 It's a field programmable gateway arrays. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 332.07 334.37 Gateway arrays. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 336.52 339.01 So why's it how is it different from the Bluetooth? 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 348.01 355.48 And uh well the Bluetooth chip is just responsible to uh make the communication uh between uh the two devices. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 339.52 348.01 Well, uh a F. P. G. A. is just a chip you can uh you can pr programme it uh wi with wh whatever you want. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 343.2 343.74 Programme it. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 342.22 343.2 Yeah. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 343.84 345.02 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 347.4 347.78 Okay. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 352.16 352.91 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 354.13 354.71 Uh 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 355.57 357.78 So this are the they have to work together? 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 358.6 361.53 Do they have to work together or two separate choice 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 357.78 358.6 Or? 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 360.73 364.18 Well, th the F. P. G. A. will produce the the data to send. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 359.35 360.73 No. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 364.44 364.81 Okay. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 371.7 372.22 That's it. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 365.33 367.62 Or it's something like isn't hardware the first one? 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 369.92 371.7 Yeah to run th to make it run. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 367.62 369.92 And the second one is for the software. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 368.37 371.21 Is the is the software par alri okay. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 370.38 370.92 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 372.99 380.65 So you can control if you want, right? 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 371.89 372.99 Okay, okay. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 380.18 381.65 So if you have any questions? 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 377.66 380.18 Alright and that's it for the working design. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 375.68 377.66 Yeah. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 376.99 377.19 No. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 382.42 382.6 Mm. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 385.67 390.72 Uh you mean that battery would be somewhere there and the remote contro the power to the battery comes through infrared? 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 383.16 385.67 Okay, and how about the battery power? 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 401.52 408 And uh I I don't think it will need um very uh much power to make it run, so 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 400.4 401.52 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 390.68 400.4 Uh no no no no, I think uh we have uh to to uh have uh embedded uh b batteries in in the yeah into the t. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 397.64 402.51 Into the more compact and uh okay,. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 406.84 407.13 Mm. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 405.82 406.84 Mm. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 407.94 408.5 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 408.5 408.99 Okay. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 409.03 411.91 You can put it on the charger when uh you when you don't need to use it. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 408.5 409.03 Mm. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 410.97 411.31 Yeah. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 412.7 413.63 It's a good idea. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 413.6 414.99 Yeah, that's right. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 423.18 426.65 We just make a small charger and put it 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 414.99 419.08 Having a charger rather than putting the battery cells always. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 419.08 423.18 People don't like it to have to buy the batteries when they run out. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 414.89 415.26 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 417.37 418.61 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 418.33 418.48 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 421.11 421.56 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 422.6 422.8 Mm. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 423.29 424.55 Uh mm. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 424.55 426.51 Y yeah, yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 426.51 433.37 Because you are using because you are using Bluetooth, if some people have P. D. A. they can use their P. D. A. to control the T. V. if they want to, right? 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 426.63 427.46 That's a good idea. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 426.98 427.76 You can i yeah. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 428.43 428.74 Ma 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 433.96 443.18 Also, but but I I I think uh the the goal is to sell our remote control. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 443.18 451.63 S okay, so charger for is the. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 435.24 437.4 Bu 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 435.64 437.39 I dunno. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 437.04 438.72 Yeah we can change the b. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 440.02 445.29 Our remote, we do not want to make it P. D. A. . 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 440.83 441.09 Yeah. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 457.64 458.91 Um. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 466.64 467.37 So is mine. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 469.9 471.39 Participant one, no? 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 468.54 469.9 It's mine. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 469.64 469.84 Oh. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 471.65 472.47 Yeah, this your 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 476.96 477.13 Mm. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 478.62 481.64 Oh we have so let's move to 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 483.13 485.99 to user interface design. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 484.92 486.2 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 486.2 490.58 So you can open uh three. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 488.45 489.56 Participant 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 495.06 495.33 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 496.43 498.01 So 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 499.57 502.8 So I'm working on the technical functions design. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 503.85 505.57 can you show the next slide. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 507 515.75 So the the purpose is to to find uh the important questions to ask is what effect should the apparatus have. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 534.61 541.41 For example switch on, switch off, switch the next channel and so on and so on. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 523.27 534.61 I spent a lot of time searching and uh and I found that uh the function of remote control is to send messages to television set. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 541.41 550.02 So I found two very good prototypes for for this interface from our competitors so can you 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 515.75 523.27 So so I found on a webs on the internet yeah. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 519.79 522.09 During the weekend. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 526.2 526.91 That's good. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 534.11 534.29 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 534.55 534.97 G 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 549.66 553.05 This are usual functionality. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 550.79 553.15 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 567.07 570.83 This is the most competing prototypes I've found. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 554.74 556.7 So these are two example. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 570.83 576.36 But then uh loo but then I found if you look at you see on the left one there are too many buttons 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 553.15 554.74 Ours is a bit uh different. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 556.7 567.07 One is from the other one is from, yeah, uh engineering centr yeah. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 561.6 562.03 Tasks. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 576.55 579.01 And they are small. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 578.11 578.55 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 594.04 596.4 So you so you move to the next the next one. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 578.55 594.04 O on the right I tried to play with the problem is that uh if I have hundred channels I have uh I have to choo press the other button to choose the hundred channels and I have to compose the number so it's very lousy. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 587.51 587.86 Yeah. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 593.94 594.88 Of course. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 594.03 594.44 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 606.61 610.37 So I propose the easy to use uh prototype. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 626.78 634.54 From the technical aspect, the processing should be done on the T. V. set than on the on the remote controller, right? 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 610.37 626.78 You can navigate on T. V. screen and we can the user's preference and we need to have the T. V. connected to internet so we end in order to access the T. V. programmes by X. M. L. and we need some to do some preprocessing. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 599.79 606.61 And then I I look at the user manual they are a hundred pages thick, so we don't want that. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 634.54 641.15 And then we the speech recognition as uh Harry says we may just put in we may K. I. V. . 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 597.83 599.79 Yeah, so I talk about the problem. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 604.95 605.34 Yeah. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 641.61 645.13 What do you mean by the pa pa processing will be done on the T. V. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 645.24 651.47 Yeah, all the processing is done the T. V. is a compu has some processing power the 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 645.98 646.59 than the 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 650.33 652.25 So we have to t 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 655.36 656.44 We can use this. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 651.67 654.27 So we should have specific T. V. ? 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 654.27 655.36 Or? 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 653.91 654.17 Yeah. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 655.04 661.83 We have to sell a T. V. with the remote control too. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 658.26 662.08 Yeah, we don't 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 658.97 664.05 Yeah because are you just wondering what controller okay. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 664.27 666.12 J j just the remote control. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 663.43 664.27 Yeah, I think so. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 663.86 665.44 Yeah, not the T. V. s. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 664.36 683.41 I think there there is there is al there there is a a technology like show view who is already available on most of the T. V. set on recorders or thing like that and we can try t to get this information on to the remote control to to do the processing on the remote control because 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 669.56 669.86 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 677.44 677.87 Okay. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 679.86 680.27 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 680.61 680.83 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 683.56 689.99 So i the processing on on the remote controller so it can u be used in any T. V., any conventional T. V. sets? 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 681.66 683.56 Okay. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 682.47 683.3 Yeah, that's right. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 683.96 684.05 Mm. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 685.96 687.33 Yeah, we. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 690.39 690.54 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 691.83 693.23 Okay. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 691.27 691.83 Mm. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 694.55 695.49 Speech recognition. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 695.46 696.9 N yeah, that's all. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 696.9 697.8 The next one? 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 697.8 705.57 So I come up with a simple design, just keep the v navigation buttons. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 702.07 704.13 Yes, that's a good idea, I think. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 704.13 711.56 We d we don't we we don't need really much buttons to i if we have a screen to navigate on on the T. V. so uh 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 703.9 705.72 Keep the navigation but 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 709.43 710.06 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 711.38 713.95 Yeah. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 712.28 717.15 Well, f four five buttons, it's sufficient. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 717.15 718.42 It's easy to build, 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 715.41 715.7 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 716.97 717.21 Mm. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 719.81 720.43 Yeah, that's right. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 719.85 724.17 it does not consume much power. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 721.93 727.86 Okay, that's all. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 726.45 727.97 Oh, but you have a catch there 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 727.97 735.08 um assume that um if you want to go to if you are watching channel two and if you want to go to channel ninety nine 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 735.08 737.4 then. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 737.11 745.09 Well, then y you you go to the main menu and uh you have uh go to channel and then uh you can 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 742.61 742.94 Mm. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 744.09 751.75 No, because you choose by channel, so you choose by T. V. program so you don't have hundred channels to choose from. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 743.5 744.09 Mm. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 747.74 749.08 Maybe you 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 747.01 747.74 Yeah. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 747.04 748.61 Uh-huh huh huh huh. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 752.64 753.45 Mm-hmm hmm hmm. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 753.04 754.99 If you go by channel, you don't have to do that. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 754.91 770.03 but uh I I think i i if you if you want to to make uh well a a big jump but uh well you you have to to have a a a device when you could you could 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 756.08 756.44 But 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 756.95 757.52 So you are 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 759.68 759.98 Ah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 762.01 762.78 Ah, a big jump. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 762.07 764.21 Yeah then yeah that's right. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 770.58 771.76 A mouse or 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 772 780.19 Well, not a mouse but uh something that that says more clearly that uh right, left, up, down,
IS1007b H02 MIO075 780.19 787.77 well, the to have the ability to to to write something to the navigator, maybe directly, or 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 779.63 780.16 Yeah. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 779.75 780.52 Mm hmm hmm. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 780.52 780.96 Okay. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 780.73 781.13 Mm. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 789.76 790.15 Okay. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 789.79 796.25 So, we can think of buttons like in the telephone to send messages or things like that. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 790.87 791.14 Mm. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 796.59 796.96 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 799.36 801.23 But we'll see. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 799.61 803.17 How the this remote? 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 822.36 826.38 I dunno how bu 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 803.86 807.24 Uh it's gonna be small. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 807.7 822.36 So it'll beep if you wanna find it you just uh shout y h just it just has to re respond to you when you look for the device. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 807.24 807.7 Yeah. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 806.49 809.37 Yeah, of course small. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 809.24 814.27 too small that it goes under the sofa and we can't find it. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 821.15 822.51 Yeah, that's. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 830.88 831.55 Yeah, that's right. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 824.39 829.71 just give it a name and we call him. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 829.71 830.88 Yeah, that's right. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 827.26 834.99 And responds to you, and 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 835.1 839.23 Okay, so uh next presentation 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 840.63 841.53 Participant four. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 850.22 851.12 So Harry. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 866.16 875.45 then what we have done is we have put a feedback forms in all the magazines, and the users send the feedbacks, and based on that 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 851.24 860.89 Okay, after having the inputs from industrial design and user interface, I think most of the points which I want to are already covered here. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 860.89 866.16 And to find the most interesting features what the users would be interested,
IS1007b H02 MIO075 855.68 857.34 Mm. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 877.01 888.16 These are the findings which we got and yeah adding of a speech interface is always good for a T. V. remote but the technology 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 889.26 891.68 We already know that as discussed earlier 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 890.61 900.94 Well I I think it will be a, yes, a bit complicated to um make a speech recognisers runs on the small uh ts 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 901.45 904.41 An it does how feasible it is. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 902.12 904.49 I- mm. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 909.58 914.48 I if you just recognise uh numbers is a limited you have limited vocabulary 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 904.49 909.58 But I think if you to recognise numbers it's a well-studied problem. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 913.58 917.34 Oh we can put an limited vocabulary as in the mobile phones. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 917.34 918.72 We just have the 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 917.08 917.36 Yeah. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 919.1 924.61 And this can allow to choose the the program, for instance without uh adding uh buttons 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 919.22 919.52 Mm. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 925.03 925.36 Yeah. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 925.65 926.8 so it's a good idea. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 929.02 930.99 It's going to be very slim. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 933.52 936.19 It has to be of course a very slim and small one. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 925.97 929.02 it's not going to take much space also. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 930.99 933.52 And next one was the size of the remote control. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 930.08 930.29 Mm. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 931.17 931.49 Mm. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 937.38 946.26 And of course most of the people are interested in if it's less expensive, so this is an important criteria here is 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 943.33 943.54 Mm. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 943.42 943.73 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 944.73 946.59 But 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 945.86 951.35 But do you think what they sug suggested s possibility. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 950.31 951.86 I mean we have to look for a trade-off. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 951.86 953.33 The features and the cost. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 950.51 950.7 Mm. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 951.9 952.19 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 952.87 963.18 I no I I think that uh i if we go for quality people may tolerate for high quality and of course comes with uh reasonable cost. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 963.18 966.57 Maybe not less, but they may be willing to pay 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 953.72 955.51 Yeah. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 966.82 969.74 Little bit more if it's with extra features. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 967.62 970.72 little bit more for comfort, yeah, extra features. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 967.65 967.91 Yeah. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 967.88 968.14 It 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 969.49 969.69 Yeah. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 971.2 975.24 Yeah, s s speech is a important extra feature I think 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 971.6 972.03 Okay. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 974.65 975.16 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 975.16 975.72 That's right. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 976.22 976.56 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 974.88 976.22 Mm. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 975.95 977.64 But is it useful or not u 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 978.24 980.08 Well, uh 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 978.42 978.91 I don't know. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 978.91 983.16 There is in the 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 990.19 993.31 or volume up, volume down, brightness, contrast. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 979.98 984.7 I mean, for a lazy guys they could say nine and the nine channel comes. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 984.7 990.19 Or they say movie name or I don't go for movie names but only for the numbers on the channel,
IS1007b H01 MIO025 982.24 982.47 Mm. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 990.92 991.28 Mm. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 993.79 994.08 Mm. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 994.11 994.44 Mm. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 994.69 998.17 So, I think this should be a good idea, to put this features. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 998.17 1001.36 And the fourth one was the teletext in various languages. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1002.36 1002.58 Well 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1014.25 1014.68 so 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1002.58 1014.25 we are we we just have to find a mean how to to add a m a a a microphone or uh well yes a microphone into the the remote control 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 1006.07 1007.2 Mm, I think 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1016.39 1019.91 I well it will be alright. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1018.12 1019.6 I think i 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1020.05 1021.26 What is the teletext? 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1020.09 1023.95 If it's necessary can you can do that. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1023.95 1029.24 We can integrate small microphone in the remote so it's not really a problem. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1022.71 1022.93 Mm. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1026.77 1026.96 Yeah. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1029.77 1030.3 Okay. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1032.05 1035.06 What about lighting adaptive options? 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1035.06 1038.85 According to the re to the new requirements I think we don't need that. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 1034.55 1043.64 Yeah as discussed in the earlier meeting, but I think uh not much people are really interested in this point if it's not really required. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1040.2 1040.47 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1043.19 1047.95 It is interesting but we are only concerned with the remote controller. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1047.83 1048.22 Mm. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1052.18 1056.52 Or it's it's done via this remote controller? 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1049.1 1052.18 So you need s special T. V. sets to do that? 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1057.7 1058.67 It's very complex. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 1057.76 1058.52 I mean 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1058.84 1061.61 Yeah, I think it's a bit complex too 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 1062.28 1071.72 I mean yeah, it's for the um industrial design and users interface designers to decide if it's going to be working or not. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1067.86 1068.28 Mm. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1072.02 1080.7 For our next product, our new T. V. set with uh automatical uh sound adjustment light 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 1073.61 1074.34 I think 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1074.96 1076.43 Yeah, then we can conclude that. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1077.7 1077.98 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1079.14 1083.57 Yeah, but it's quite possible but maybe not in this project. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1092.5 1095.57 So we have I think we have s still we have 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1099.31 1099.71 Mm-mm. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1098.07 1099.31 couple of minutes. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1106.98 1108.08 So any things to 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1109.67 1110.38 to discuss? 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 1111.34 1115.4 I think as I discussed th that four points would be good for um marketing. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1111.38 1113 Or any suggestions? 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 1117.3 1123.08 The speech interface and uh less uh reasonable uh cost. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1119.78 1120.51 Expensive. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1122.08 1122.54 Price. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1123.23 1123.54 Mm. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 1134.78 1139.07 If you are watching an foreign movie, you get subtitles sometimes. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 1139.07 1144.46 And uh if you are a French guy watching an English movie you would like to have it in French. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 1155.49 1157.92 That should be a good uh point. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 1144.46 1148.54 And if I am a German then I would like to have the my options in German. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 1126.86 1134.78 And regarding the teletext uh these are the subtitl these are the text information which you got on the televisions. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 1124.18 1126.86 And the lighting adaptation and the teletext. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 1148.54 1155.49 So, the remote it should have some it should give me some flexibility of choosing the ch languages. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1126.02 1126.33 Mm. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1133.57 1134.43 Okay. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1136.45 1137.92 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1137.92 1138.46 Okay. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1139.85 1139.99 Mm. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1151.32 1151.68 Function. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1164.22 1169.24 I I I think we should give up with teletext, no? 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1159.31 1164.22 Yeah, but well what about the the new project's requirement? 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1166.55 1168.75 I think we we can we 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1171.04 1173.08 is the. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1171.72 1172.08 Yes. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1174.88 1184.05 Well, so maybe we we can j we can already think uh about a way to to access the internet via the television. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1184.8 1185.13 Mm. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1185.7 1187.12 Because if 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1189.29 1189.97 Or what? 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1189.97 1191.17 I didn't quite understand 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1186.98 1189.29 Using the T. V. to access the internet? 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1190.9 1196.98 Yeah, but uh we can think that in a few years there will be T. V. set that can access the internet. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1191.82 1192.22 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1197.19 1197.96 Yeah, okay. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1216.14 1219.73 So if we already have it in our remote control 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1198.03 1216.14 So it's a good idea if i i if we i if if we uh think about how to to to build up our remote uh control w with this functionality in a w which will c which will come in a few years. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 1198.04 1199.04 We already have some. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1217.93 1220.55 So you have to anticipate the the future? 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1222.2 1222.43 Yeah. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1220.65 1222.2 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1222 1225.41 The future demand, market demand. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1221.28 1222 Yeah. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 1224 1225.4 Yeah, that's right. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1224.38 1228.82 Yeah, to desi well, not not to implement it, but to well,
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1228.82 1237.51 to find a way to to add to add this functionality in a yeah, in an in an easy manner, if is possible. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1231.01 1234.47 The functionality in the future. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1234.47 1234.89 Alright. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1233.3 1233.77 In future. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1238.19 1240.24 Because all the T. V. sets will be digital, right. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1244.06 1248.53 Th the system will change and we have to anticipate for those change. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1237.3 1238.19 Yeah. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1240.24 1244.06 All the programmes, everything will be in digital than analog. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1245.71 1246.4 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 1248.19 1249.25 Yeah,. 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1253.09 1253.71 So 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1251.73 1253.09 Okay. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1252.35 1252.78 Okay. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1254.47 1258.83 So let's go for the the lunch break, and 
IS1007b H02 MIO075 1260.11 1261.45 Okay, thank you. 
IS1007b H00 MIO049 1260.41 1261.83 we will meet after. 
IS1007b H03 MIO072 1260.82 1261.6 Okay, thank you. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1260.98 1261.85 Okay. 
IS1007b H01 MIO025 1261.85 1262.27 Thank you. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 55.38 55.76 I have 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 52.49 55.38 So we come to the third meetings. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 57.09 59.01 good. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 60.25 72.63 Um so in the last meeting we have discussed the functional design and now we will talk about the conceptual design. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 76.39 76.95 So we 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 81.59 92.08 Okay so I think I will do my presentation on the components concept so can you please uh open uh 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 81.59 82.75 will talk about some 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 83.73 85.24 specific details. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 96.85 98.2 I'm participant two. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 102.57 103.85 Components design. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 103.06 103.8 This 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 132.65 144.85 hand dynamo and uh kinetic um well uh kinetic uh technique to to store the energy. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 144.85 152.68 We also um we also can put a regular battery in the in the remote control. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 109.82 126.57 Okay so uh the first thing uh I have done is to to made a review together with the uh manufactural uh department and have which components was uh available to build a remote control. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 126.57 132.65 So for energy sources we have we have to choose between the solar energy 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 152.68 153.32 Now 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 156.12 157.19 But if we use battery 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 152.68 156.12 Uh this is what we have decided in the last meeting. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 157.46 176.91 Yeah b uh f well uh I meant uh by by battery I meant uh I will not have a uh a wire between the remote control and the energy source but uh I didn't fou we didn't decide yet which kind of battery 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 195.01 196.01 But uh well 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 184.78 195.01 Then uh the case material we have uh uh also several choices, like wood, rubber, titanium or latex. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 178.15 181.06 we will put inside the the remote. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 181.06 184.78 So uh it's a point to discuss. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 197.35 205.93 it's not a a re uh well a real issue for the from the technical uh point of view. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 224.94 228.75 And uh this is the last point, the choice of chips. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 217.36 224.94 but it also requires that the chip to process the button is more complicated so. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 207.38 217.36 Concerning the interface uh we can we can put mm just simple buttons or scrolls or buttons uh much more complicated 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 221.01 221.26 Mm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 230.36 249.04 So what I have f found is that I think basic battery or kinetic uh energy uh collection is the is the better way to provide energy because I think solar energy wi won't work in a cluttered uh uh environment. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 247.72 247.95 Mm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 250.24 257.82 So um so I think we can start with these two main things. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 282.11 292.05 For the interface uh I think that we can ach achieve uh all the desired functionalities by s just uh using uh rubber buttons 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 292.05 301.12 simple buttons and th thus this allow to use a regular chip that are uh well cheaper. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 257.82 282.11 For the case uh well uh I think that uh titanium is um is a good choice because it's trendy and it's uh it's uh well it's modern and uh user are are are mm will be uh very happy to have a a a nice remote. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 302.37 302.64 Mm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 302.92 307.97 And s so uh we can move to the next slide. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 307.97 308.37 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 308.48 311.49 What is this single curved what does it mean? 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 307.22 308.48 Sorry. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 311.88 317.29 Well uh uh i i it's uh it's the the shape of the um of the remote. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 317.29 325.6 You you will have the well um the the curve will fit into your hand when you grab the 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 315.68 316.73 So it's it's not 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 322.94 324.7 Yo l yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 324.7 327.39 When you hold on it, it is comfortable to hold. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 327.55 328.31 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 328.31 333.3 It's more confog f comfortable that if these uh it's completely flat. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 331.14 331.68 Okay. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 333.87 338.24 And the battery, is it kind of a rechargeable or it doesn't matter? 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 333.46 333.87 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 340.85 346.19 The kinetic one is uh y you can recharge uh by the um 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 338.27 340.85 Yeah the um that's the point. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 346.42 349.08 That that's what it means by kinetic. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 357.99 373.29 But I d I don't know it's if it is feasible because I don't know if yet if if the user will move enough to provide the remote um all the necessary energy. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 348.08 357.99 Yeah and by well by just by moving the ar uh your arm the mm well the remote will uh accumulate energy. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 351.87 352.26 Okay. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 353.82 354.21 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 357.44 357.87 Okay. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 365.21 365.48 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 366.94 368.74 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 369.8 370.22 Okay. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 371.59 371.97 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 373.2 373.91 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 373.91 385.98 We we might check with our R. and D. department to see if they have this product ready for market. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 378.39 381.83 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 381.83 386.93 And yeah and so can you go to the next slide please. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 386.93 391.13 So and uh that's uh that summarize well what I have said. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 391.87 394.6 Mm mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 394.6 395.19 Wha 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 394.41 406.99 So uh you're right we can uh see in our uh R. and D. uh if the kinetic metal is sufficient to provide enough energy. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 406.99 407.84 That's it. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 400.79 401.72 Ah the department. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 404.18 404.49 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 411.43 412.06 Uh 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 432.12 435.53 So I um keep in touch with the R. and D. department. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 436.76 439.06 Oh yeah I take care, it's all right. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 443.19 453.11 So the titanium case is the normal case that I'll show you some pictures that I have and you tell me whether they are titanium case or not. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 453.11 458.63 'Cause I am not very sure, plastic, titanium or whatever. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 460.76 469.42 is that the uh well you've seen them I le na my presentation that um I point out some why buttons are not the mm 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 458.63 460.76 There's another point I want to make 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 454.75 454.95 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 452.13 454.75 All right. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 470.49 473.08 not the only ways you can use 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 474.37 474.59 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 477.41 479.15 Yeah, maybe n 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 479.39 480.4 We will, okay. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 498.88 499.19 Three. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 499.65 499.87 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 506.26 508.48 So the user interface is uh 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 510.08 515.59 i it uses the aspect uh of a computer system, a programme which can be seen or heard 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 517.28 521.37 or otherwise perceived by the human user and the commands and mechanism 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 548.79 549.91 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 541.22 548.19 symbols and on so you you can easily when you look at the symbols you understand what it is doing. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 522.66 527.5 the user uses to control its operation and input data. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 536.28 541.22 The idea is to represent buttons as figures, diagrams 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 548.19 548.79 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 527.5 536.28 So you s this gives you the ways to input data and we have uh we are more we emphasise more on the graphical user interface here. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 549.91 550.48 So. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 546.94 548.61 What's the function of this button. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 551.24 553.91 I think it makes the the interface really 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 554.35 556.46 Ea easy to use. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 562.08 563 function five. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 559.25 562.08 So next one. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 560.14 562.6 Graphical user interface. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 565.42 567.54 So I can use the button, the mouse maybe. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 567.54 570.32 A graphical user interface emphasise the use of pictures. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 570.07 570.41 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 576.97 578.89 So they cluster the buttons together. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 572.54 574.23 So next line. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 574.23 576.97 So the here are some examples. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 580.02 586.59 They group them into col they colour them and uh they have different forms as well. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 588.42 588.91 Mm 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 590.17 592.61 but this interface are kind of confusing. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 593.67 595.8 Uh basically there are too many buttons. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 597.49 597.98 Next one. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 596.92 597.49 Right. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 597.91 598.09 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 601.09 604.34 So some people are propose voice recognition and 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 605.63 621.59 so ah by the way I receive an email from the from one our departments saying that the voice recognition has been used in the coffee machine for this by a company when you tell the you say good morning coffee machine and the machine are reply to you. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 621.59 624.52 So I just got an email saying that. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 624.52 630.9 And it seems like this voice recognition technology is ready to be used so we might consider that, 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 621.26 622.09 Mm-hmm mm mm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 631.87 632.59 Yeah fine. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 634.4 635.09 The next one. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 631.99 634.4 supposedly. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 662.49 662.94 Next one. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 655.15 660.4 you can use that as real so so that could be an option as well. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 660.4 662.49 Touch screen, I mean. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 639.11 655.15 Mm so somebody some people use uh some people use a spinning wheel th with the L. C. display so instead of using the mm buttons you have a L. C. D. screen and then there you can u you can use that as buttons 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 661.47 661.74 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 666.33 668.47 And some people propose a scroll button. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 669.91 675.9 Integrated with push buttons or you may have scroll button instead of p just the push button. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 675.9 677.26 Like the one we have here. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 678.49 679.39 Uh, next one. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 684.31 685.11 So 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 688.73 689.38 mm 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 690.02 690.47 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 691.3 693.66 so there are a few aspects that I collected here. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 695.62 701.82 So s basically this deals with special users, children, handicapped people, 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 702.88 705.21 old people, and uh 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 706.91 711.76 mm and prog basically they are programmable, specially for children. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 711.76 712.68 And uh 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 714.55 717.07 mm yeah yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 717.07 720.63 And then they also secure uh covers, to protect 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 722.1 728.21 uh secure and hidden programming and battery covers that will protect your settings. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 728.21 729.34 So 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 745.11 746.24 Yeah, so that's the point. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 733.31 745.11 I'm just saying that the currently in the market there are there are control there are remote controllers f customisable for different people. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 730.44 733.31 But we don't have to integrate all these complicated features. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 747.69 748.25 The next one. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 754.39 757.49 And uh you see this is the one where you have the protection cover. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 764.28 768.62 And for adults wh where you have more control you can see the one inside. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 768.62 774.39 So the adults might wanna have a key to lock that to pr so children will not touch the button inside. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 758.79 764.28 Mm maybe useful for children, they migh you you they only see the buttons outside. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 774.97 775.16 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 775.86 776.24 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 776.47 777.29 S a good idea. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 779.32 780.96 The next one. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 786.4 791.17 At I see that that is useful for old people and then you don't get it lost. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 805.06 811.6 And then, he will beeps and to say that I am here, for example. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 798.19 803.22 And you can call your remote controller if you don't know where it is. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 803.22 805.06 T. V. remote controller where are you? 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 811.6 812.3 Is it possible? 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 791.17 798.19 But for our product we don't need a big one because you have voice recognition e eventually with use. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 780.96 786.4 So this guy this is another company that provides big buttons. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 796.26 796.46 Yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 811.31 815.28 We should include speech synthesis in this case, no? 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 812.81 813.13 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 813.04 813.54 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 815.49 818.33 Uh? 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 816.6 829.25 Yeah but uh as Norman say if uh there is uh already a commercial product available who t who do this we we can check uh to integrate it i into our uh new remote control. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 816.66 816.99 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 821.64 822.04 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 825.05 825.39 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 826.44 826.85 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 830.36 839.46 And uh, this is another one where you can uh the the the part that's a V. standing for the volume. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 829.35 830.36 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 842.4 843.94 But you the see that in the V. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 854.31 856.81 so I wanna avoid this kind of thing in the design. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 839.46 842.4 So there's a up arrow and a down arrow. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 843.94 854.31 the V. appears to be the down arrow on the top on the top up arrow if you up arrow there's a V. like as as if it's turning down so it's confusing interface 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 849.18 849.44 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 854.48 854.91 Yeah yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 858.42 864.32 And here are is uh here is a s short summary that I summary that I compiled after the findings I found. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 865.49 875.22 Big buttons are convenient, voice recognition helps, push buttons, scroll buttons, spinning wheels can be used as navigation tools. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 891.06 892.29 And basically uh 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 875.22 881.62 And uh user customisable is important and finally simplicity simplicity is the key. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 881.62 881.94 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 881.94 891.06 So we have many concepts there but we have to choose later on which ones are important to be used. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 884.43 885.57 Hmm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 887.62 887.85 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 922.77 932.23 because uh adding wheels or scrolls uh makes the thing more complicated and more expensive also, so. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 891.28 922.77 Well I I think you it's it's it's fine you have uh reviewed all all the possibilities but uh uh well uh i if we consider that uh the user interface is displayed on the T. V. screen I don't think we nee uh we need much buttons in the remote since we we just have to navigate and to have a okay or enter key or things like that,
IS1007c H01 MIO025 897.83 898.3 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 909.45 909.77 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 915.55 915.95 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 921.13 921.62 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 929.49 929.79 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 930.97 931.43 Okay. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 931.78 951.67 Or maybe we can include the user manual in the in the remote control and we should have just a button like help and you say uh and you ik you press the button help and maybe you see the the user m might in the in the T. V. . 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 951.46 952.85 To have a help button. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 949.46 949.99 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 949.99 951.46 That's a good idea. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 953.5 954.67 A help button. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 954.67 956.86 So you are display on the screen. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 956.86 958.45 So on the T. V. screen. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 954.24 954.49 Yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 954.27 954.52 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 956.8 957.74 On the T. V. screen. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 957.74 961.46 On the T. V. screen the uh how to use your remote. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 958.71 961.92 So just you push the button and we will 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 956.82 958.71 On T. V. T. V. screen. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 959.75 960.18 Okay. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 963.14 969.11 So that eliminates all the complicated documentation, okay. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 961.28 962.58 Okay. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 969.11 969.7 So wi 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 962.58 963.14 Okay. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 961.86 962.16 Oh. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 966.73 966.94 Yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 981.56 984.54 And let us see what the market demands. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 969.12 978.15 But people are often enough looking at the help, once they see the help button they say oh this is a complicated stuff. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 984.54 986.29 We could just go to my presentation. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 980.98 981.56 Okay. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 978.15 980.98 It's a psychology. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 972.1 973.01 If the if 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 974.18 980.6 No In the case where they need help, in the case where they need help. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 977.21 978.1 Uh yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 979.58 981.82 In a marketing point of view. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 982.02 982.56 Yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 984.78 985.04 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 985.73 988.37 But uh wel well I think 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 994.22 994.91 So 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 987.57 994.22 It's just for user customizable, for kids or old people. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 989.97 990.81 Yeah that's right. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 993.71 993.98 Mm. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 994.01 999.66 I mean it just showed us the remote with an cap which could be used for kids and if you remove the 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 999.76 1000.86 So it's the same 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1001.29 1002.77 Same remote with some 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1003.48 1006.02 Can be used by both kids and old people. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1004.55 1005.35 Both yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1005.1 1005.47 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1007.56 1016.82 Well uh what I s propose is that uh you know a remote controller, i it could be a cube 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1016.82 1025.61 is uh a small device that uh looks like a cube and maybe you can just change the um the buttons,
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1025.61 1031.42 if you ch turn one side you get one one buttons, you turn the other side you get the other buttons 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1031.42 1038.09 so for maybe new generation people who get used to the computer they want lots of controls. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1037.65 1043.1 Maybe for kids, kids they like uh t no l they like to 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1040.5 1041.24 Small 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1042.3 1047.92 So le le let's see what uh what people want. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1041.64 1042.3 Uh well. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1042.34 1042.7 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1044.01 1045.29 Let's see the market demand. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1045.52 1047.88 And then we can decide what what we can yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1046.18 1048.54 What what market yes yes. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1070.36 1070.76 So 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1073.14 1081.53 we just made an marketing survey of what people need from our remotes and how it could be special from the other remotes. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1086.27 1089.72 Uh we also have some prizes for the most creative solutions. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1081.53 1086.27 And we got the best on the responses from the questionnaires. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1096.03 1106.33 So seventy percent of the users, they find their remote controls very ugly, they don't find it pleasant to use in the size or usage or anything. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1089.72 1096.03 And we found the following solutions which we could which would be helpful for our design. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1106.33 1112.23 And eighty percent of the people they are always l I mean they are willing to spend more money 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1113.32 1115.35 if the remote control would look fancy. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1116.63 1121 And the current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1122.21 1124.75 And seventy five percent of the users 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1137.03 1139.75 So this were the findings which we found. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1128.39 1137.03 And fifty percent say they use only ten percent of the buttons, so the rest of the ninety percent of the buttons they're not used most of the times. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1157.6 1160.11 So they're frustrated a lot 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1126.74 1128.39 said they zap a lot. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1144.71 1154.16 Most of fifty percent of the time the remote controls are lost somewhere in the room and people are always searching for them rather than watching the T. V. . 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1154.16 1157.6 And by the time they found the remote control the program is finished. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1139.75 1144.71 And also they cited frustrations with the present remote controls. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1128.67 1128.95 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1132.15 1132.33 Yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1132.33 1132.63 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1136.11 1136.57 Yes. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1134.79 1136.11 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1153.57 1153.93 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1157.66 1158.22 Yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1161.27 1168.19 And um if the remote control is too complicated it takes much time to learn the functionality of it. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1166.53 1166.98 Mm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1167.39 1168.7 Mm, the functionalities yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1191.1 1193.69 We should have an L. C. D. on the rem remote control. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1171.06 1182.82 fifty percent people they responded that they always lose their remotes and thirty four percent they say that it's quite difficult to learn if it's too complex. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1182.82 1191.1 So keeping in view all these findings and the frustrations I think this should be the solution for them. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1169.43 1171.06 So you can just see the percentage 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1181.01 1181.41 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1195.78 1195.98 Oh. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1196.75 1206.58 Well mm w well I I I don't really see the advantage of having uh L. C. D. on the on the remote control if we have a a a big screen and uh display on the screen. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1203.81 1204.43 Big screen. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1207.47 1216.89 It's yeah of course it's fancy trendy and so on but it's it's expensive to produce and it's not really 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1207.57 1207.89 Mm-hmm? 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1214.73 1215.23 Yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1228.28 1233.57 It's the same menu as we have saw that iPod remote control. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1221.24 1228.28 So if we have a L. C. D. on the remote, rather than looking onto the T. V. you just look into a remote and navigate it. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1233.57 1235.89 We just play around 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1215.44 1221.24 I mean as our survey says that people are willing to pay more if their remotes are fancy. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1218.96 1219.18 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1229.51 1230.17 Mm yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1232.19 1232.77 Yeah yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1233.44 1234.58 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1234.58 1235.29 The thing 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1235.17 1239.91 Yeah but when you play with the iPod you don't have a big screen in front of you, s 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1239.5 1239.83 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1238.79 1239.5 Yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1239.2 1239.59 Yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1239.22 1244.88 You can use this screen instead of the big se screen, instead of use the yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1257.73 1258.73 So 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1242.47 1246.51 If you re-use the existing screen, we element eliminate the L. C. D. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1246.51 1253.07 after all the L. C. D. just to display and if you have the colourful screen you can make the display colourful,
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1241.41 1242.47 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1253.07 1257.73 fancy, as fancy as the one on the L. C. D., maybe even better. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1249.1 1249.34 Hmm. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1253.81 1254.25 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1255.64 1256.05 Yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1258.98 1263.52 I mean this were the points which we got from the market demands. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1263.52 1264.25 So 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1259.95 1260.36 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1262.07 1262.24 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1262.24 1262.76 Yeah yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1263.64 1264.03 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1264.61 1270.24 So I th I I well I think we we can focus on the uh on the fancy look on the uh 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1266 1266.94 the other one 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1270.83 1272.65 More on a fancy design. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1270.35 1270.83 Yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1273.48 1274.58 I mean that's 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1272.78 1273.48 Yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1271.49 1272.78 Yeah that's fine. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1273.04 1285.44 on the speech recognition if the technology is available but well I think L. C. D. will uh will uh make us spend a lot of money for not so big results. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1275.98 1277.86 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1283.42 1283.8 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1285.81 1291.28 Remember we have a s budget for the cost of producing the remote controller. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1285.98 1286.44 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1286.67 1287.13 But 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1291.85 1292.13 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1292.63 1292.99 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1292.99 1300.32 So i is so the thing is you can find out how much an L. C. D. will cost and then we'll decide again. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1292.85 1293.93 Uh yeah we have uh 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1299.48 1309.3 I mean that should be found out by the Industrial Designers. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1307.4 1308.03 Is i if i 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1303.76 1307.4 Uh maybe you can find out the price and tell us next time. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1307.24 1311.22 So price of uh L. C. D. display. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1311.22 1312.3 And 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1310.15 1310.58 Yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1310.88 1315.48 And it's always good to have an voice recognition for the remote controls. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1317.51 1319.17 Ask our R. and D. department. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1314.7 1317.51 And also the cost for the speech recognition. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1313.93 1314.7 Yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1317.15 1318.09 Mm. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1318.09 1321.16 It's for it's just for small vocabulary. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1321.16 1323.17 We it's not yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1317.19 1317.57 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1320.85 1321.42 Yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1320.85 1324.72 Yeah it's o only for a limited vocabulary, say eighty commands or so. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1323.43 1323.85 And ho 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1322.64 1323.43 Yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1324.97 1325.43 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1325.01 1326.08 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1326.08 1330.22 And also the scroller button, how much will it cost. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1326.34 1327.13 And 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1325.1 1326.34 Yeah okay. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1329.86 1336.07 Well uh compared to the to s the simpl simpler simplest button. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1335.54 1336.61 Push push. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1334.4 1335.54 Yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1341.78 1346.61 Because they they just they're just frightened to use the scrollings or help button. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1335.3 1341.78 Mm, the scroll button, from the survey we never see that people would like to have some scrolling button. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1341.8 1342.65 Yeah I think that 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1340.68 1341.8 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1344.71 1345.17 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1346.37 1364.62 Yeah I I I think that uh well uh as we have seen in the in the presentation uh well uh about uh uh fifty percent of the of the percent n choose the button so uh I think to have uh five uh simple button is sufficient for our functionality. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1356.38 1357.71 Don't use the buttons. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1360.96 1361.32 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1362.45 1363.39 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1363.39 1363.64 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1364.68 1365.05 Yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1365.12 1365.66 Yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1365.22 1370.68 It doesn't mean that the other buttons are not necessary or important. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1369.13 1369.89 Important. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1371.75 1371.95 But 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1371.09 1371.75 Yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1371.97 1374.56 But they are just less used compar yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1373.19 1374.34 They're not used much. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1374.58 1388.6 But the uh the thing is is i is that we can add a functionality on the on the T. V. screen like uh a a list of function and then you choose with the with the button to well you navigate and you 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1381.54 1381.85 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1385.23 1385.55 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1383.91 1385.23 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1388.45 1390.8 So so the at most more power uh. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1387.06 1388.45 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1389.42 1397.31 Or maybe we can u uh or maybe we can uh make this the ten percent of button more bigger than the others. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1398.64 1398.88 Yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1399.29 1399.74 So. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1399.97 1414.54 But if i i if we if we could have a a a display uh g a user interface that is very complete on the T. V. screen I think that just five buttons are sufficient 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1424.15 1428.17 You don't have to to switch to a channel to another uh 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1414.54 1424.15 one to go up left right down and uh enter and you you you just select the functionality you want to access or things like that. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1414.5 1414.74 Yep. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1417.99 1418.43 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1422.87 1423.71 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1423.71 1424.16 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1421.83 1422.87 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1426.98 1427.35 Yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1427.44 1427.86 Mm. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1434.05 1443.22 Because when you have the L. C. D. onto the television screen you miss the picture in the background, we are most focused on the commands. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1464.21 1466.46 And accordingly you can just increase or decrease. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1443.22 1447.93 So if you have then L. C. D. in the remote, you just have a menu 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1447.93 1454.63 and increasing and lower these signs here to change the programs and this menu when you press the menu,
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1454.63 1464.21 in the L. C. D. displays as you go on pressing the menu it faster displays volume, then the program, then the brightness, contrast and all the stuff. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1428.65 1434.05 Or it could be like this, as the people say, if they have a L. C. D. on the remote not on the television. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1443.43 1444.17 Yeah but 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1463.14 1463.67 Mm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1475.92 1476.51 so. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1464.16 1475.92 Yeah but if you look at the L. C. D. you you don't look at the T. V. screen so i i it's not really worth to get to have the image if you don't look at 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1466.46 1466.94 Mm. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1466.87 1467.71 It's 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1470.55 1471.14 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1473.71 1474.03 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1471.14 1473.71 I if Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1475.59 1475.91 Yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1475.89 1481.46 And I think it's increases the cost of the the remote control if you use L. C. D. . 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1481.46 1482.05 I 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1478.66 1478.9 Yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1479.75 1481.46 Yeah that has to be checked out. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1486.01 1490.9 you don't have to look at your your controller any more because you know where the buttons are 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1518.39 1522.26 with the help of speech recogniser you can Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1509.02 1518.39 just tell your channel and then you don't even have to look at the butto at the controller so finally that wil eliminates the the need for L. C. D. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1480.95 1486.01 I think that there's no contradiction here, because if there are few buttons 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1506.18 1509.02 if you had the speech recognition there you just shout your channel 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1490.9 1506.18 so if you wanna control the screen d sh sharpness you just say sharpness and then you t turn you just press lef increase or decrease button and the same for the volume and the channel 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1490.73 1491.01 Yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1503.88 1504.25 Yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1514.76 1515.16 Okay. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1521.24 1526.79 I mean, better if we could just check all the cost with L. C. D. and also with the speech recognition. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1526.79 1530.7 And then we could find which would would be a more suitable in this case. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1526.3 1526.59 Mm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1526.56 1526.72 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1530.51 1531.34 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1531.34 1532.81 A and 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1528.62 1529.41 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1529.41 1530.51 Mm. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1532.79 1535.6 And the third problem was to find the remote control. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1535.6 1540.18 Always, so fifty percent of the people say they lose the remotes. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1540.18 1540.97 So 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1540.18 1555.2 Well so we we can think about a well a a vocal command like uh find and when the remote control uh hears fine well yeah just uh to make him beep or t 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1545.23 1545.57 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1549.46 1552.18 Where, yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1549.66 1552.76 You will listen to a peep, special peep. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1563.85 1570.51 so we have some one charger there and whenever we don't use the remote control we put it in the charger. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1557.47 1563.85 Or it could be also something like this, uh it's always boring to change the batteries of the remotes control 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1570.51 1577.04 And when we're using that t remote and if we misplace somewhere, in the charger we have a small button,
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1577.04 1582.1 and just by pressing the button in the charger the uh remote control beeps, wherever it is. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1553.87 1557.47 Yeah that's right, that's exactly what I mean by voice commander. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1557.58 1557.96 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1558.22 1558.58 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1560.64 1560.83 Mm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1563.21 1563.55 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1568.4 1569.84 Put it back at the charge. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1569.84 1570.22 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1568.77 1569.32 Put 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1581.09 1581.33 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1581.29 1582.09 Yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1581.32 1582.07 Okay. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1582.55 1586.48 And that's a good idea, that's simple, like in phones. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1584.58 1584.87 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1585 1585.29 Mm. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1585.38 1590.31 I mean it doe it also doesn't require a voice command, because there are problems with a voice command. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1588.53 1588.71 Yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1588.94 1591.56 But you don't you don't have to move the the charger. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1594.26 1595.26 Mm yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1590.59 1591.28 Hmm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1591.28 1592.41 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1595.26 1596.47 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1596.47 1597 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1592.41 1594.26 Th yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1591.54 1592.25 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1592.25 1595.19 I mean charger would be fixed because it's always with electricity plugged. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1592.61 1593.94 You have to keep it. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1593.85 1594.19 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1595.08 1598.2 Yeah if there if there uh there is nuff not enough battery. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1595.6 1595.89 Okay. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1599.88 1600.42 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1598.62 1599.23 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1599.23 1599.88 There's mm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1599.23 1602.02 Also and uh uh the remote is lost. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1616.07 1626.5 You never get it lost because uh every time you're off the computer the T. V. you are asked the the command the T. V. com remote controller would tell you to put it back to where to the charger. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1602.12 1603.22 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1603.22 1609.53 That we can what we can do is we can program a function whereby when you press the switch off T. V. button,
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1609.53 1616.07 the off button, the remote there be s uh instruction on the screen, please charge charge me. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1602.37 1603.14 Yeah that's right. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1615.78 1615.98 Yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1626.34 1628.01 It's an good reminder, yeah that's right. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1627.72 1628.18 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1628.18 1631.28 So you will never get lost yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1630.12 1630.63 Okay. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1632.77 1636.72 Maybe for some people lazy people. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1635.96 1637.01 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1639.76 1643.32 So it's it's uh it's all about strategy, y 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1637.01 1639.76 Yeah because everything is programmed inside. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1639.16 1639.52 Yeah yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1644.76 1648.15 And of course the final point is a fancy look. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1648.15 1649.83 As we have seen earlier the 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1647.43 1647.7 Mm. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1651 1659.33 remotes which were displayed by Norman they weren't fancy, I mean mm very big or something with lot of buttons. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1659.33 1662.25 I think we should have something it 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1652.23 1652.66 Mm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1654.2 1655.96 They were ugly. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1655.96 1656.99 They 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1655.2 1657.74 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1657.55 1657.97 Mm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1661.57 1663.77 Well the last one with the um 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1664.01 1667.72 With uh two two two parts controller. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1664.54 1669.85 yeah with the two parts was uh original, so 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1678.79 1680.86 But you can have an button for child lock. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1668.63 1677.61 I mean uh I mean uh I mean uh you see if it's like that even a kid who wants to have a control he could just plug it and use it 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1677.61 1678.79 you can't avoid him. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1675.48 1677.07 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1681.83 1682.09 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1682.8 1682.97 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1683.6 1683.82 Mm. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1683.73 1690.24 So just by pressing the button with some code, you t you put a lock onto the remote, so that he can't use even 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1685.41 1685.66 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1688.21 1688.47 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1687.6 1688.21 Mm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1689.65 1703.19 Well we can think about uh having uh on the on the on the user interface when you switch on the T. V. you can uh well write a code or choose a category,
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1703.19 1706.34 if it is kids, uh things like that. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1689.72 1690.02 Mm. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1696.12 1697.15 Mm uh 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1696.63 1696.93 Mm. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1702.05 1702.51 Or 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1702.97 1703.53 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1705.49 1706.73 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1706.73 1707.13 Mm. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1706.28 1706.9 That's right. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1707.49 1720.72 Or maybe you have to to show some specific programmes for kids and then just just yeah just push uh kids button so it's automatically 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1713.09 1713.49 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1714.58 1716.59 these are probl yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1718.39 1719.11 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1719.11 1719.41 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1721.06 1721.29 Mm. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1724.28 1726.72 So if he. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1727.71 1736.6 I think these other four points they're the market demands and so it's for the user interface design and industrial design to just think 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1733.53 1734.8 So for mm yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1734.05 1734.51 Mm. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1734.34 1734.63 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1735.91 1746.87 So for my part I will check the prices the um the prices difference uh of what to use, where to use, and s uh and so on. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1745.56 1750.4 Yeah I think it should be clearer for us in the next meeting that th uh these could be included. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1748.4 1748.77 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1750.74 1755.23 I think we need to define also a s the set of vocabularies for the speech recogniser 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1749.94 1750.74 Mm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1756.69 1756.86 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1757.22 1769.69 because uh if you want uh say we can sort by channels or sort by T. V. programs, you have to decide a category of vocabularies for them. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1769.69 1774.46 If numbers, they're easy, but if name the channel by by name 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1771.37 1771.71 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1775.2 1791.56 Well I think we can we can have just numbers for channels and you can say to your remote control like uh sports and then on the T. V. you have a list with with uh uh well with sports program playing now and and uh 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1787.15 1787.43 Mm. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1807.89 1811.42 So I think there should be a prefix to some numbers 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1799.25 1807.89 and if the score comes twenty four thirty five, you've just say twenty five and suddenly the screen the channel goes to twenty five. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1790.57 1792.37 No, we have a problem there. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1792.37 1799.25 You see uh if you have a voice commands and you are s you are watching a score on uh basketball score or something,
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1803.37 1804.3 Yeah it's yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1808.26 1809.36 That's right, yeah, yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1808.29 1808.56 Mm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1810.33 1818.69 Well but well e every possible word uh has a probability to come about of the T. V. so. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1817.15 1817.59 Yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1823.83 1830.82 Ordinary twenty five you almost there's a probability of being said around sixty seventy percent and T. V. twenty five 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1817.64 1823.83 I mean the the you just check all the probability that saying T. V. twenty five and just ordinary twenty five. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1823.64 1823.91 Mm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1823.65 1824.1 Yeah yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1827.31 1829.48 Yeah but well okay. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1827.46 1828.1 Mm. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1831.95 1834.47 I dunno it will be round about one or two percent. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1834.47 1837.72 So it's better to have some prefix before the number. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1832.64 1833.12 Mm. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1834.04 1834.31 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1834.34 1834.8 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1837.82 1844.64 But I I I think that the user would like wou would like to associate the channel or call the channel rather than than the numbers. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1844.6 1846.01 Yeah something, some code. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1845.77 1851.93 You say numbe channel number five of the T. V. correspond to something else in the channel. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1851.93 1855.28 So some people may want to say, I want to see this channel. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1851.09 1851.58 Yeah yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1854.54 1855.24 Mm mm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1856.13 1856.7 Well I 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1856.2 1857.61 That will be too big. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1857.61 1860.25 And it will be difficult for the vocabulary also. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1857.92 1858.78 Or just 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1866.95 1867.21 Uh? 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1859.88 1860.79 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1860.79 1866.95 Check with the v R. and D. department the capability of recogniser. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1862.98 1867.08 It's difficult to to just say the the name of the channel. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1867.08 1870.93 It will be difficult to say just the name of the channel. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1870.93 1878.04 Because you have to s t uh a ch yeah but you have to to have all the name of the channel in your vocabulary. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1871.09 1873.04 Well, it's convenient for the user. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1883.82 1884.14 Then 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1879.68 1883.82 Als might be you just forgot the channel name, you kno only know the number. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1880.77 1881.51 Or maybe 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1882.19 1882.71 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1884.32 1886.06 The uh uh mm. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1884.5 1894.34 Or maybe the user can create his own vocabulary, just pronouncing the the name of channels and include in the vocabulary. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1887.6 1888.54 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1905.64 1916.77 then what you can do is that the you can make the T. V. screen to split them into small little little squares of images where you you you have a snapshot of every channel 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1927.41 1933.46 you just you you just choose the the option you want and then you just hit the button and then you go to that channel. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1925.16 1927.41 you just use the control button uh 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1920.15 1925.16 so now what you do is f looking at the all the sixteen channels available at one time 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1890.29 1905.64 I I think that I have mm mm I think there's another way you can do is that uh you can uh if when the user ch press a button to choose the channel for example 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1933.46 1934.28 So 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1916.77 1920.15 so let's say it's a four by four matrix of the images 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1927.44 1928.42 Yeah, the. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1934.23 1937.96 Or lets the user create his own vocabulary 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1936.63 1936.89 Mm. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1939.38 1941.98 So you you don't use the speech recogniser in that way. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1939.56 1940.35 of channel. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1943.57 1946.7 Just you have uh in the beginning you have 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1942.87 1943.57 No. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1954.49 1958.55 By associating each channel with the name or 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1947.48 1954.49 uh t you have to train you have to create the vocabulary by yourself. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1952.16 1953.3 Oh, okay. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1953.3 1953.5 Yeah. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1953.78 1955.24 Well I uh I also 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1958.58 1961.43 I I also think about uh another problem 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1961.43 1973.3 if if there is uh more than one person who is watching T. V. the s well the the speech uh r recogniser should be able to distinguish between the two. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1997.9 1998.26 s 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 1973.3 1997.9 Because uh I remember when I was a young child with my sister we yeah we always want to w to watch different emission at the at the same time so it's a pr it could be a problem if uh if well if someone passes by when you are watching T. V. and say oh T. V. thirty and just run 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1966.85 1967.99 Yeah yeah,. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1967.04 1969.54 And for each one has his own. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1974.2 1974.42 Mm. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 1978.4 1981.95 Or you have to s 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1979.94 1981.74 Yeah, I wanna watch this, I wanna watch that. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1980.56 1981.09 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 1997.79 1998.14 Mm. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 2004.89 2011.69 say in the factories or in the shops where there is a lot of noise and this voice commands if they fail to work 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 2014.99 2021.47 So I think we should specify some pre-requirements if we want to use a voice commands 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 2021.47 2026.53 say that it should be used in an silent homely environment or s something. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 2011.69 2014.99 that would bring a bad name bad uh reputation for our company. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 1999.32 2001.7 A and in the same lines we would have a one more problem. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 2001.7 2004.89 If we are using the television in the different environments 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 2006.97 2007.43 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 2008.57 2008.85 Yeah. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 2013.5 2013.73 Mm. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 2015.11 2015.39 Mm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 2024.91 2026.29 Yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 2027.76 2032.41 Or we can switch on or switch off the the special, yeah. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 2030.45 2032.08 Yeah that's right that should be an option. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 2032.65 2032.91 Mm. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 2033.13 2040.52 Yeah that's well I think that's a good uh a good option because it's simple and uh simple to implement also, so. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 2038.42 2038.69 Hmm. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 2040.17 2041.91 I think these are the practical problems. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 2043.04 2044.99 So we need to take care of them in the design. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 2045.45 2048.02 Maybe we'll discuss them in next meeting. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 2048.02 2050.67 It's time to close this meeting. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 2050.52 2050.98 Okay. 
IS1007c H01 MIO025 2050.76 2056.14 Well, you you stay a five minutes. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 2050.91 2051.52 Okay. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 2052.67 2060.48 Oh it came there on three minutes back so we are I think we can just press the okay. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 2063.19 2064.91 Thanks for your collaborations. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 2052.68 2058.06 Yeah. 
IS1007c H00 MIO049 2058.06 2063.19 Okay. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 2059.69 2060.17 Okay. 
IS1007c H02 MIO075 2062.9 2064.02 So I see ya. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 2064.07 2064.57 Okay. 
IS1007c H03 MIO072 2064.57 2067.05 See you another thirty minutes. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 49.61 57.63 So in last meeting we have discussed the conceptual design and we asked you to prepare a prototype for the 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 57.68 69.53 Okay. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 58.78 65.8 for the remote control. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 65.8 68.27 So. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 68.27 70.54 So let's see the what 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 71.17 75.12 Yeah, so can you go out to the shared folder? 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 71.93 72.65 did you prepare. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 76.34 77.89 Mm the shared folder. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 76.89 80 Sh share folder for th your presentation? 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 79 79.3 Yes. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 80.06 81.3 We have a presentation. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 81.28 82.65 Because I have here 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 86.27 86.86 Uh 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 92.05 94.22 So I got the participant uh 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 95.27 95.64 three. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 96.93 98.11 W uh. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 99.14 99.67 Three. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 101.18 103.53 It's the final design, yeah. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 104.13 106.16 Okay just one. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 109.54 112.27 S so so I discussed with Guillaume. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 111.73 112.16 Mm. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 113.21 116.11 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 135.26 143.76 Um but both comes with a charger and then detachable and uh or control module. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 113.86 115.15 Right. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 132.27 135.26 One with and one without L. C. D. s. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 129.38 132.27 So we come up with two versions. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 123.65 129.38 because we were no not decided whether we wanted to have an L. C. D. or not because it's too expensive. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 115.15 123.65 And uh so we have and we we are both agreed on some two versions of the prototypes 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 144.96 149.26 And detachable big buttons for all people um. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 162.74 165.69 You you can s here. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 165.69 174.25 And you can uh just um browse into the the navigation menu by uh joystick joystick-like uh button. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 157.72 162.74 Here we have the first one with the beautiful uh L. C. D. um display. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 150.97 157.72 S okay so I'll show you the the two prototypes. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 174.25 181.18 You can uh choose the direction and if you just push on it it's considered like a enter function. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 151.11 156.12 So. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 171.87 172.05 Mm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 179.89 180.09 Mm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 181.72 182.07 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 182.32 191.47 You have on the mm on the side here the microphone for the for the speech recognition system here. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 191.47 194.68 And here the the switch that control if you want 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 194.08 197.95 Why you why you you put it in the the side? 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 198.39 201.72 Well I I I think uh it's the 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 201.35 204.08 It's not a good place maybe. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 203.12 204.67 Yeah but 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 203.99 208.4 No i i it's the all around camer uh microphone isn't it. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 208.4 209.88 The the microphone picks up 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 210.42 210.64 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 210.89 212.78 the speeches from anywhere. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 211.4 213.93 Is it an only a single mic or a microphone array? 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 214.63 219.6 Well so it's a microphone array. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 219.6 221.88 No it's just a single microphone 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 235.63 237.15 for instance. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 221.88 235.63 and you I I think uh we we put it here because I think when you when you are browsing your L. C. D. you will be close to well it's better to to to place it here th than here 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 237.15 245.58 And here is a little switch that control if you want the the speaker uh recognition system to um to be on or off. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 217.6 222 Oh it's very costly, microphone array. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 217.89 218.17 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 220.53 221.98 Yeah 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 230.23 230.58 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 230.25 230.77 Mm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 234.64 236.38 Yeah yeah. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 235.62 236.04 Okay. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 247.31 252.44 And uh so this remote control comes up with its charger. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 252.73 254.16 How much does it cost this one? 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 264.14 275.27 but uh well it's not it's not uh yeah, but uh it's just a prototype and if we uh if we optimises the um the uh voila. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 254.87 264.14 Well this this prototype is um made for about uh well fi fi fifteen fifteen dollars fifteen dollars,
IS1007d H01 MIO025 259.3 260.34 For the 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 261.83 262.08 Yeah. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 262.12 262.83 Fifteen dollars? 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 264.35 267.3 Ah it's above it's above the budget. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 275.62 277.2 The cost would be le reduced. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 276.72 283.8 Yeah the and the the production costs we we can achieve uh about ten dollars. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 277.95 278.33 Mm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 281.19 281.58 Hmm. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 282.74 285.02 How many b battery is there? 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 285.39 286.32 How many, excuse me? 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 286.27 286.68 Battery. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 287.44 292.39 Well uh f battery, we use uh about uh 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 291.04 294.86 Is it n the two A. A. s batteries in it. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 294.86 296.45 A. A. rechargeable batteries. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 294.08 294.27 Yeah. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 296.85 299.52 Rechargeable of course, because we have the charger. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 299.49 301.79 We have the charger so it's no problem. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 297.89 299.49 Yeah rechargeable batteries. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 300.77 302 Yeah and you just 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 301.99 303.06 So one one battery? 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 304.2 305.76 On uh yeah one battery. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 306.37 307.44 Is that two or one? 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 309.45 311.24 It's kinetic reserve. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 310.68 314.93 Actually uh it's a flexible thing. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 314.93 316.16 You just n uh 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 315.51 317.23 Now what is the whole day rating for that? 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 318.05 319.43 The excuse me? 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 318.72 319.52 Whole day's rating. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 320.58 321.45 What type of battery? 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 321.67 328.26 Oh yeah it's just a r uh simple battery a rechargeable uh if you uh like it's exist. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 325.52 327.2 Yeah yeah. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 327.52 331.05 Something like a two A., A. three size batteries? 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 331.05 331.41 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 330.06 330.48 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 331.42 332.74 Yeah. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 343.57 344.52 it's alright. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 344.52 347.05 Then the next time you pick it, oh 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 332.74 343.57 So and if you want to charge the battery you just put the remote control like that to plug in the the charger and uh leave it uh alone 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 338.18 338.56 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 340.04 340.32 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 342.45 342.77 Mm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 344.43 349.7 At uh yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 355.49 359.01 This button is like the mouse is like a joystick 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 349.7 355.49 I forgot to tell you there is only a single button there, b this button yeah alright. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 359.01 369.17 you can move in three hundred and sixty degrees of direction so you can make a turn and it the additi functions associated to all the actions you ma you have a click you have a double click 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 348.52 349.88 it works. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 352.68 354.91 Yeah just explain the button uh Norman. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 370.36 370.85 Mm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 370.42 372.5 all in a single button. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 372.5 376.96 You can move up, down, left, right, or you can do a swing. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 390.64 393.9 This is the version y that comes with L. C. D. . 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 376.96 381.22 So a swing to the left, a swing to the right defines other functions. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 381.22 389.6 So even though it's a single button, but it is pretty s flexible because of the three hundred and sixty degree movement. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 393.9 396.24 Here I present another version without the L. C. D. . 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 389.6 390.64 Yeah. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 388.04 390.23 And the L. C. D. is this one, on the remote? 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 390.3 390.49 Yep. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 393.35 393.68 Yeah. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 395.88 399.98 I think it's not a good idea because after maybe one or two months 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 400.26 400.48 Mm. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 400.95 402.7 of function is 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 405.49 406.19 If you 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 403.73 405.49 getting destroyed. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 405.52 411.29 Uh okay this is new prototype uh. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 407 407.62 Yeah it's 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 409.11 414.85 So we have the the second version also with the different uh button configuration. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 440.64 445.93 So um yeah according to what you said it's more robust to the user. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 424.16 428.03 So basically th it's the same uh yeah. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 436.55 440.64 Press one button uh acting as a a enter button. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 432.83 436.55 But here we have uh we have uh four buttons for navigation. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 428.03 432.83 Basically it's the same uh things uh uh as uh I presented before. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 414.85 424.16 The second version is also simpler, we d uh we had just uh I have to put the microphone also. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 419.81 428.35 Yeah yeah. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 425.53 427.53 Uh-huh and also the switch. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 427.53 427.97 Okay. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 438.13 439.12 Mm. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 446.18 446.72 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 446.3 446.93 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 448.07 450.62 And uh it's also cheaper to produce. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 450.62 459.93 We can produce uh such remote control for about uh four dollars. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 455.65 461 No four dollars, it's good. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 459.99 467.01 And I think you forgot a point here to have an button to find the charger, because that's a major that's a 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 464.5 467.92 Oh no th actually th we'll come to that point in our 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 466.55 471.66 Yeah it's it's it's embed in the uh speech recognition system. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 469.3 469.71 Yeah. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 471.68 475.06 Okay and if you disable speech recognition system then? 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 472.78 473.36 So 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 475.28 477.52 W w I'll I'll come to that point later on. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 477.28 478.38 Mm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 477.45 481.1 so Norman will explain to you. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 480.35 483.87 And we will we will serve the charger with this? 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 480.37 480.67 Yeah. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 480.64 481.13 Okay. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 483.7 486.67 Yeah yeah of course mm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 484.39 493.01 Th they either these with the uh the the charger any in either versions you they they ha they use the same charger yeah. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 484.89 485.97 With the remote control. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 492.71 495.98 Okay so the price of the charger included in the 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 505.96 512.79 It's that same charger that you can use for the hand-phone but uh again depends on the types. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 512.79 515.45 I think we have to investigate more on that, but 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 497.08 505.96 Uh it's a standard module so you should get it for a cheap price uh. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 504.94 506.9 And so mm-hmm. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 501.92 504.94 Thank thank you. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 503.2 506.8 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 518.73 519.81 Well that's so 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 514.55 518.73 The price should be below twelve and a half Euro. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 516.47 516.91 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 518.1 526.01 Yeah but as the Marketing Manager says, people is willing to people are willing to pay more for good design. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 526.45 532.09 Yeah people are willing to pay more, but the company is not willing to invest more at the moment. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 526.91 529.01 We have we have just 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 531.01 531.3 Yeah. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 531.05 533.76 The price of selling is twenty five Euros. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 532.69 533.1 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 534.29 534.67 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 535.16 535.87 And the price of 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 536.82 540.42 Alright please uh go on Norman with the special features. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 537.04 537.86 production 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 539.32 539.9 Or uh 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 540.08 541.7 Yeah we'll we'll come up to that 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 548.84 558.36 If you want less function i i if you want a reasonable price you pay for the functions that you add on to the system, so is uh modular. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 541.7 548.84 the the the thing that makes this the controller cheap is that it is modular so you want more function you pay more. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 558.94 562.76 That's for this basis function and if you want more you pay more. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 562.36 567.42 Yeah yeah, for example the L. C. D., you can take it you can put it put it back in,
IS1007d H01 MIO025 567.42 574.5 or you can use the other one, or the speech recogniser with the microphone yeah yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 584.38 585.21 So 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 574.5 584.38 You want a microphone to put in the speech recogniser you don't wan you pay less for the system you see. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 563.83 565.5 Something like customised. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 565.5 565.85 Yeah. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 565.88 566.42 Yeah. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 576.59 577.13 Okay. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 580.89 581.71 Mm hmm hmm hmm. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 584.57 586.19 Hmm okay. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 586.17 589.11 It's pretty flexible in the yeah price. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 587.72 592.27 You also have the the the two other modules for the parental control 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 588.51 589.03 But 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 592.57 594.09 Uh yeah yeah you should present that. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 593.51 594.65 And this is other one? 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 606.11 609.58 and uh which channel you want to choose and so on. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 593.55 606.11 that that you ca you can add up to the to your remote control i i if you uh if you want to to have more more power on what you do 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 603.02 606.09 Yeah. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 617.15 623.39 up they come up with their modules, they just plug in it and they can have all the control they want here. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 610.85 617.15 H here is just the the the module for the kids and th if the parents want to watch T. V. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 623.39 629.51 We also have this module for uh old people with big buttons,
IS1007d H02 MIO075 629.51 636.4 clearly labelled, and it acts like the previous one, you just plug in and it works. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 615.91 616.78 Mm hmm hmm hmm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 619.66 620.76 Yeah 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 622.76 622.99 Mm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 627.72 628.11 Hmm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 633.01 633.53 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 635.74 642.11 Yeah the i the idea the the conceptual idea is that 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 636.92 637.33 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 646.05 649.86 Simplicity meaning that we have few buttons 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 649.86 664.56 powerful is that all the controls with the one you saw we saw earlier in the meetings with lots of buttons n but here you only have few buttons but you retain the mm the same powerful functionalities. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 643.16 646.05 simplicity and powerful. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 664.56 666.33 But in addition with simplicity. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 698.03 699.52 Titanium material. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 682.36 686.74 The first one is the speech recogniser, again it's detachable or add-on. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 666.83 678.17 So that's the best idea, the cond that that's our uh an innovation um uh i in this uh design here. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 678.17 682.36 Okay now we come to other important features that I did not tell you. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 686.74 698.03 And then we also have security feature for example this here oop it's very robust, it doesn't break and the material, what's the material again? 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 678.12 678.49 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 697.08 699.69 The titanium and so it's very uh 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 698.17 698.85 Titanium. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 720.2 723.39 So when you finish watching your T. V. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 701.15 710.1 Again uh and the battery life is uh is an is an endurable one, again because this is A. A. batteries you can choose the types of battery you want. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 716 720.2 and then um y the other p points are robust and misplacement reminder. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 710.1 716 Lithium-ion may be a good one, but you can replace it with cheaper one, again you pay for what you get 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 709.33 709.92 Yeah that's fine. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 724.15 727.18 and you the you t you turn off the T. V., 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 739.89 741.85 Yeah and um 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 728.33 739.89 uh and then there's this message coming out that uh please put that back to the charger, so so that's the or is it that's the reminder part. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 733.95 734.56 Okay. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 756.24 765.8 And then uh because of the chil because children are using the device so we have also a a of T. V. programmes by genre 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 765.8 769.45 and this can be used by the adult or by the children. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 743.04 756.24 And it also use a programmable channel and vocabulary, so we didn't define the vocabulary so it's up to the user to define so sorry? 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 749.58 750.32 Mm hmm hmm hmm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 782.69 790.64 And and for the materials that is cheap to produce I think uh it's quite clear from yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 769.94 775.2 So instead of choosing the channel you are choosing the T. V. contents of the night. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 790.64 794.71 And also like the and the fancy designs yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 781.22 782.69 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 794.71 813.5 Maybe we can improve more on the design but uh this is the 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 775.2 781.22 So it's pretty powerful, and that's that's why the num buttons are reduced, because of this feature. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 795.12 796.18 What what's 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 797.86 799.6 What's the price to p to produce? 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 796.93 797.86 Maybe yeah. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 801.35 803.06 Well so the price to produce 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 803.98 810.77 For uh the simplest one, say we start from four dollars to produce such a device. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 812.07 813.44 Uh it's about it 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 812.46 814.86 With with with the charge? 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 814.39 823.01 The without without the charger it's about uh well two dollars to produce uh the microphone and speech recognition systems. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 814.43 815.22 With the charger? 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 816.31 816.74 Okay. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 816.5 818.11 Yeah. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 824.32 831.57 Two dollars for the uh for the add-on modules, and finally three dollars for the charger. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 832.64 835.21 So if you uh sum up uh everything 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 834.57 852.23 Yeah. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 835.35 836.31 We don't have charger. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 836.07 844.27 wi with the L. C. D., which costs two dollar, you have two plus four plus four plus two plus two. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 844.75 852.19 I think we can use Excel. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 845.43 858.26 It's about so the total cost if you if you want all the fuct functionalities will be about uh fifteen dollars. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 848.09 851.74 We don't have all the options. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 853.05 855.17 Charger we don't have charger here either. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 855.36 859.23 Yeah. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 859.49 861.04 No it's 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 860.06 863.67 But it's just if you want all functionalities. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 862.69 864.53 it's below the the the budget. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 864.36 865.11 Yeah. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 865.48 865.87 Excuse me? 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 866.16 867.22 It's below the bu 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 870.34 871.2 We 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 868.79 870.34 the budget. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 869.78 872.69 Yeah it's a nice input but we have an 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 874.39 876.62 other inputs from the l public demands. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 876.62 884.39 I think we will just have a rough look and then we can make our statements, and we can finalise the product based on this discu 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 883.65 884.13 Yeah. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 884.63 884.79 Yeah. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 885.72 887.93 I think we can just go to my presentation then. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 889.2 890.16 We can wind up. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 893.17 896.49 Or we could uh come to some f uh final conclusions. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 907.4 915 So the marketing made an evaluation criteria and these were some of the findings, and uh 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 916.19 927.02 in the market the people are not really interested with L. C. D., without L. C. D., with speech recognition interface, or without speech recognition interface,
IS1007d H03 MIO072 940.24 944.84 And the second thing is it should be much more technologically innovative. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 927.02 934.28 but most of the people what they are interested is first thing is, they want to have an fancy look and feel 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 934.28 940.24 it should be very fancy with colourful and uh very handy to hold. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 940.33 940.61 Mm. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 952.8 955.09 And the third one is easy to use. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 946.58 952.8 Of course in that we could put L. C. D. or recognition to be more technologically innovative. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 955.52 971.55 Well I think that the technical in innovation is is in the product itself since we haven't yet a remote who are allowing to to choose interactively with the T. V. screen uh uh with just four buttons. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 955.6 955.89 Mm. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 972.66 978.98 Okay and if we go to the next slide, here you can find these are the latest fashion updates 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 978.98 989.94 and so this in Paris and Milan they have detected this trends that the this year it's going to be an year of fruit and vegetable,
IS1007d H03 MIO072 989.94 998.32 so people are really interested to see if they have an remote in the shape of the fruit or a vegetable, or whatever they like. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 992.18 994.21 Spongy spongy. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 997.18 998.49 Mm mm. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 999.56 1006.95 So I think it should be much more customised to make a different uh shapes. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1012.13 1017.75 as in the case of very pl plastic or titanium, it should be somewhat spongy. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1006.95 1012.13 And the second thing is, and if the material, they really do not want it to be very hard,
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1003.62 1005.17 Mm mm. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1018.87 1019.52 Okay. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1018.94 1024.67 But the the problem is that uh is it robust to mishandling? 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1025.96 1026.8 Um. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1032.21 1033.77 Spongy. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1026.28 1032.21 We have you should find a material that is robust at the same time spongy. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1031.22 1034.2 A sponge. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1037.6 1040.47 One is fancy look, second is 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1031.3 1037.6 Yeah so uh so finally we have these three criterias. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1044.16 1048.28 innovative, and third is easy to use. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1058.98 1067.61 So and we have an evaluation criteria for each one of these, say that we have a seven point scale, 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1052.76 1058.98 So these are the f uh three criteria on which we are going to build our remote. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1058.72 1059.09 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1059.79 1059.96 Hmm. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1069.99 1076.81 from one to seven, and for each of the product you could just give me the scale according to this. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1071.41 1071.83 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1077.58 1077.9 Mm. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1078.56 1084.24 So now you have with L. C. D. and without L. C. D., so on this scale, if it is true, 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1081.78 1082.1 Mm. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1091.76 1097.05 it doesn't it looks uh it doesn't look much fancy, then you could just tell me seven. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1097.05 1097.47 So 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1085.69 1091.76 if it is if it has a fancy look you could just tell me one, or if it is false,
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1097.55 1106.06 So so is the e evaluation depending on us or other users? 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1098.68 1100.56 We can make our study on this and 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1106.83 1111.82 No no we have you have designed two products now, one is with L. C. D. and without L. C. D. . 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1109.35 1109.54 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1111.1 1111.38 Yeah. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1111.17 1111.79 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1112.43 1117.61 But who will give the scoring uh we ourself or or a third party? 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1115.61 1115.96 You. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1116.18 1124.67 According to you, no according to you designers, how will feel does it uh with L. C. D. and without L. C. D. ? 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1123.02 1123.31 Mm. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1125.96 1130.11 Okay let us make this L. and without L. C. D. . 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1137.28 1140.69 D is it very fancy or doesn't look much fancy? 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1135.7 1137.28 How do you look how does it look? 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1131.35 1135.7 On on this scale the L. C. D. remote control. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1133.75 1134.21 Mm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1135.93 1136.32 Mm. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1141.08 1145.08 Well it doesn't look much fancy I'll I'll say three or four. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1146.64 1147.95 And you both agree for that? 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1148.58 1148.94 And you? 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1153.05 1160 Som someone um commented this is like a the stone age uh design. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1170.51 1176.21 As for the design maybe we c should hire a designer to help. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1160 1170.51 Um we have been focused all all this time on the on the technical aspect, functional aspect, but also the simplicity. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1176.21 1176.81 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1149.46 1153.05 I think we can improve on the design. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1152.69 1153.08 Yeah. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1153.08 1154.23 It's it it 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1165.51 1166.83 Technical aspects. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1170.14 1170.46 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1175.71 1177.59 So without L. C. D. how would you rate it? 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1172.89 1175.71 So I take three on with L. C. D. ? 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1174.01 1174.64 Yeah a three. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1179.45 1185.9 I think it's it's uh more easy to make f fancy things when it's not complicated so 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1178.19 1179.45 Uh four. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1179.36 1180.05 Four. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1186.23 1186.6 Yeah. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1187.01 1193.72 removing the L. C. D. um gives us a li more liberty to to have a fancy look. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1190.62 1192.47 Yeah. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1194 1197.99 And in the sense of innovativeness, with L. C. D. . 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1198.63 1203.59 Well it's it's the same for both so I will give a five, six. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1203.18 1203.45 Mm. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1204.73 1206.8 Five with L. C. D. and 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1207.51 1210.54 Well five also uh Norman please. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1209.47 1216.75 Yeah from the innovation aspect I feel that uh what is most innovative 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1210.81 1211.43 Uh 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1218.29 1223.71 of our prototype compared to the existing prototypes that we saw l in the last meeting 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1224.76 1234.02 is that um the retrieval of T. V. programmes by content, because uh that is really innovative,
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1234.02 1244.62 and for now and another innovation we have is simplicity and simplicity, few buttons, we've uh 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1244.47 1246.26 With lot of functionalities. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1245.7 1247.43 A lot of functionalities. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1247.43 1250.59 So that is uh that is uh for both th 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1247.4 1248.85 So without L. C. D. ? 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1252.01 1261.81 Our gi I think that the our our product is uh has the best in all well this is a biased judgement because we designed them. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1260.4 1265.21 No no according to design aspect we want to know how would you feel the innovativeness? 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1263.43 1264.24 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1265.2 1267.65 Uh the innovation is v is very high I think. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1268.84 1269.95 And without L. C. D. ? 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1267.56 1268.84 With L. C. D. . 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1267.75 1268.51 For L. C. D. . 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1269.23 1269.9 Both. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1269.93 1273.02 Mm for both it's the the same innovations. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1270.77 1271.23 For both. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1274.06 1276.61 So maybe I can put six to seven. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1272.52 1274.06 It's the same innovation. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1273.97 1274.24 Okay. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1276.09 1278.27 six, let's go for six. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1277.35 1278.25 Without L. C. D. . 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1278.55 1278.84 Both. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1279.23 1283.91 No actually uh to make it with L. C. D. you make more efforts. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1293.57 1295.61 So we can't go 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1283.91 1293.57 So I there is high innovativeness included if you make it with L. C. D. y then when it is without L. C. D. there is not much innovativeness. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1289.43 1289.68 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1291.43 1291.63 Mm. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1292.4 1293.55 Uh no innovative yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1293.61 1299.45 Uh uh uh there w there was a there was a issue here is that what are what is the display on the L. C. D. ? 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1300.35 1305.25 Talk about 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1301.42 1310.97 We haven't really uh determined what are actually actually it's good to have a L. C. D. but what are we gonna display on a L. C. D. ? 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1303.73 1307.03 I mean that what you are sayin that's what the design 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1311.51 1319.16 No it's like this, I mean on the L. C. D., according to what I understand from your model is, you have a joystick here,
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1325.67 1326.2 Uh then 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1319.16 1325.67 and you have L. C. D., you just press your joystick, you get here a programme. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1316.51 1317.52 So let's remove it. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1318.95 1319.34 Yeah? 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1320.64 1320.98 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1325.08 1325.82 Yeah but 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1325.48 1327.93 Yeah but you have the same programme on the T. V. screen. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1326.14 1326.64 But 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1327.97 1329.49 Yes exactly. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1329.22 1330.06 This is the problem. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1330.21 1332.94 No on the T. V. you don't it doesn't display on the T. V. now. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1333.19 1334.62 If you have the L. C. D., but if n 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1333.99 1334.71 L. C. D. ? 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1334.71 1337.56 Then uh there is no meaning in having it on the T. V. . 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1337.56 1341.32 Or then again you have a channels, volume and all the stuff and what a 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1337.38 1337.58 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1340.75 1343.32 But you cannot display all on a L. C. D. . 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1344.29 1347.08 I mean that depends upon your design, so 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1349.92 1353.51 Anyway for for the users who who who opt for L. C. D. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1354.34 1359.44 we'll give them the give them the L. C. D., we give what the customer uh wants, right. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1354.36 1354.83 I mean 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1360.05 1360.31 Yeah. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1360.85 1366.29 So without L. C. D. you want to put it fi the same level of innovativeness? 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1368.32 1373.28 And which do you recommend e easy to use, with L. C. D. or without L. C. D. ? 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1377.35 1389.42 Well I think both are really easy to use because there are few button buttons, and uh well t p the menu are clear, well-organised, so 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1382.76 1383.47 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1387.36 1387.66 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1388.95 1389.21 Yeah. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1390.56 1398.05 Well with little knowing of the technology you can you can easily use the product so I will give a six for the easy to use. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1397.35 1400.3 Yeah I think sorry. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1400.36 1404.19 No it's just if I I see the 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1406.68 1412.35 the f the rate I think it's better to do it without L. C. D. . 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1414.21 1422.15 Because that's with L. C. D. just will increase the price, and I thi i they have the same rate so without L. C. D. it will be 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1414.41 1414.88 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1419.67 1420.03 Yeah. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1420.93 1425.85 Or we can just go back to the previous slide uh where we ha we have a few updates. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1440.22 1444.3 Even then our product is going to be very good. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1444.3 1444.67 Yeah. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1428.6 1440.22 So I mean in the product design you could just amend it to make some few changes according to fruit and vegetable or a spongy touch without L. C. D. and without speech recognition. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1435.05 1435.29 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1433.15 1435.05 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1436.97 1437.62 Yeah. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1441.86 1444.27 Yeah, it's cheaper to produce. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1444.86 1445.68 Mm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1445.68 1446.83 S 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1445.75 1453.55 And uh if the the well if we have less technology we have more liberty to uh for the shape and uh things like that so 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1451.08 1451.86 Yeah that's right. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1453.64 1457.53 I have another thing to say about the easy to use aspect. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1462.81 1470.52 For the young generation easy to use may be very complicated because uh they w they wants lot of controls with lots of buttons. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1470.52 1478.7 For kids they want simply the s similarit for the old people they want simplicity, so that's why we have the parental module. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1453.26 1453.64 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1457.53 1462.81 I think the easy to use uh aspect is different for different people. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1462.77 1462.96 Yep. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1463.17 1463.56 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1474.3 1475.36 Yeah yeah that's right. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1479.18 1484.27 Uh we can ha have build a more complex design if if they want it 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1503.09 1505.05 Yeah so 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1484.27 1493.36 but but uh what I'm trying to say here is that the um we have different sets of buttons for different kinds of people. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1499.14 1503.09 User customisation is very important yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1493.36 1499.14 So in terms of easy to use I think it's very user customisable. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1502.14 1502.43 Yeah. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1505.62 1508.66 So without L. C. D. I just take it five? 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1506.07 1506.66 Six. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1509.57 1509.98 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1509.79 1510.54 W uh 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1509.93 1511.82 Or you want it to be six? 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1511.89 1512.41 Um six. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1512.37 1513.28 I think it's the same. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1514.94 1515.18 Yeah. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1515.81 1519.48 Yes as you say, with better uh yeah. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1518.15 1519.02 Without L. C. D. . 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1518.33 1522.83 S s oh I think it's better to have this without L. C. D. . 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1524.13 1525.86 And to improve the the look. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1525.11 1534.17 As our Programme Manager s Pro Project Manager says that without L. C. D. it is going to reduce the cost also, and it's going to be much simpler to use. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1526.29 1526.62 Yeah. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1530.44 1530.74 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1531.4 1531.86 Mm. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1532.8 1536.59 Yes and to give us more liberty to have a fancy look so 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1537.73 1538.09 Yeah. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1538.92 1543.82 so let's go back to our laboratory and 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1541.05 1544.59 To improve on the design. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1543.47 1543.8 So. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1543.48 1545.74 What a what what about the sys speech recognition? 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1546.44 1546.65 Huh? 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1546.89 1550.05 what about the integration of speech recognition? 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1549.16 1551.23 The speech recogniser is a add-on module. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1552.18 1552.46 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1552.46 1552.66 Right? 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1552.48 1554 That's going to be an optional. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1554 1557.41 If somebody wants to buy it they can have it, otherwise no. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1554 1559.49 Yeah. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1557.04 1559.56 Ah so it's optional with the okay. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1558.18 1558.96 It's an optional. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1559.22 1570.43 It's optional yeah, since well according to this study uh people more likes more to have a spongy uh remote control than 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1564.92 1567.13 I think it will be I think i 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1568.81 1569.02 Yeah. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1569.86 1578.42 I think it will be better if we have all these modules in the same remote control, because maybe parents will lose these uh 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1576.74 1588.04 Yeah, but I mean if you have an add-ons, the kids may just uh hide the parental module and so that their parents can't use it. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1583.87 1584.71 Yeah. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1585.69 1593.15 Or maybe parents they can for forget where they put it or, so mayb better if you have all this in the same 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1584.71 1585.69 Or ma yeah. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1593.08 1597.45 In the same set, yeah, and and individual buttons to make them work. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1594.32 1594.61 Oh. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1597.26 1602.58 The problem is if i we are bla if a customer wants a certain component 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1612.55 1617.33 and not all people will need all the functionalities we propose to them. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1602.58 1612.55 and doesn't want the parental control because it's a couple who do not have children when you sell the product in the market you could meet any kind of people 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1619.93 1621.65 I don't know, what do you think uh? 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1617.33 1619.93 So we might lose the customer because of this. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1597.75 1597.95 Yeah. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1620.74 1625.1 So you mean that even if these modules will be will be functional uh will be optional. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1627.91 1629.58 You are Marketing Manag. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1625.57 1627.91 Yes exa what do you think, I don't know. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1640.44 1642.18 So based on that I think 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1628.31 1640.44 I mean how to how to how to make a marketing survey that uh how many married couple or how many couples have a T. V. or to the number or singles who have a television. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1628.63 1629.45 Uh 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1631.62 1633.4 Yeah. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1640.32 1640.53 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1644.95 1658.57 But the the question is n does those modularity increase the production cost or decrease the production cost? 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1642.56 1644.95 Yeah. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1652.31 1654.66 Well it's about the same because if 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1652.37 1654.18 I think it inc increase. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1655.59 1659 Well you can if you had uh something li 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1657.96 1659.26 I think it i increases. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1659.96 1670.34 Oh no, because if you if you add uh something well yeah maybe because it's three different pieces uh to to to build but 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1668.31 1668.67 Hmm. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1670.83 1673.98 But you can make it on a single P. C. with three different options. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1674.75 1687.81 Yeah yeah yeah it's I think it's cheaper if you if you already built the all the functionalities um on the same module, but uh 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1680.33 1680.62 Mm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1685.62 1686 Mm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1687.67 1688.02 Yeah. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1687.75 1689.52 On the same P. C. B. yeah yeah. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1688.74 1688.86 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1698.39 1701.34 because the same customer will come back to buy other add-ons. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1689.14 1698.39 Well well the other aspect is that if in the when they have the ar existing product you you gonna maintain the the you're gonna keep the same customer 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1702 1703.33 Yeah that's right. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1703.33 1705.91 I mean you could just provide with an optional. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1702.96 1704.37 So so 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1721.93 1727.86 We're not trying to follow the Microsoft and we don't want to the m 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1705.83 1709.85 Yeah i i so if don't don't buy now they can buy i in the future. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1709.85 1721.93 So in in that way you're actually keeping the cus the same customer, attracting them to come back in again and again. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1728.27 1729.85 We make updates and sell it. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1718.77 1726.97 So it's something like a Microsoft product update. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1726.97 1728.27 Updates and we sell it. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1720.22 1725.31 And and we we we we we we don't want that. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1735.87 1742.61 Yeah, it depends on the v production. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1730.21 1735.87 Yeah well if the buyers can be up the th would be can be upgraded, it would be a good thing right? 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1733.45 1735.9 Yeah. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1737.76 1742.96 And uh what's the idea about uh the shape of the remote controls? 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1742.96 1746.36 Uh can they be made into a fruit and vegetable types? 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1743.1 1744.26 Well so 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1745.52 1762.02 Yeah yeah I think we are yeah but we are also the um well the components will have to change because uh we have to deal with the shape and um but I don't think it will uh increase the cost too much so 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1747.33 1749.99 Do you require different types of P. C. B. s and 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1757.91 1758.21 Mm. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1761.48 1768.97 Or uh it could be like this the P. C. B. would be the same for all, but only the exterior uh shape is different o for all. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1767.09 1767.39 Mm. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1769.46 1778.54 Uh well but it's a bit complicated to if if if you need machines to different machines to um ah well 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1775.8 1776.19 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1777.7 1782.63 What we can change is to propose the customers with skins. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1782.63 1791.37 For example the i the mobile phones nowaday, they sell different kinds of skin and then people just feel that oh I have a new skin and looks better. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1785.24 1786.51 Yeah, yeah that's right. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1790.71 1801.13 Yeah yeah we can have the same global shape and then uh add on skins and with with this uh tex spongy texture uh things like that. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1792.69 1793.02 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1794.99 1795.27 Yeah. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1795.51 1796.4 Yeah that's right. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1796.96 1798.42 Yeah. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1800.6 1804.04 Yeah you can pl in what material would that be in uh? 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1804.82 1807.08 Sponge. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1804.83 1806.91 I think you need to look into the material. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1807.03 1811.06 Yeah or furry like a pet dog kind of thing. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1809.63 1810.41 Yeah yeah. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1815.65 1816.23 Okay. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1818.81 1820.06 So 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1821.37 1826.02 So we finished the prototype uh presentation if you have uh something else to say. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1827.43 1834.36 I think the Project Manager would be interested to look about the financial issues in making these models. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1835.89 1839.76 Project evaluation project satisfaction, for example. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1845.58 1848.96 We have to give answers so 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1843.3 1845.58 I don't know, we have to ask these question. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1849.08 1851.63 I suppose that you this criteria, is it? 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1851.96 1853.82 Project evaluation. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1859.75 1866.96 This room is a bit small, but but I think it's okay for us to work with. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1857.69 1859.75 Room for creativity. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1867.35 1870.83 I feel it's fine, we know we don't need uh I think it's okay. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1869.7 1873.02 Yeah mm. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1873.06 1873.79 That was good. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1873.08 1876.46 This is fine for making a presentat for project presentations. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1874.72 1875.01 Mm. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1876.77 1891.48 Yeah anyway we have the laboratory nearby to build our modules so it's okay. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1891.48 1900.1 Good job good job. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1877.46 1877.7 Yeah. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1884.49 1884.93 Mm-hmm. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1885 1886.5 And the leadership was excellent. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1893.64 1896.96 He gave you the liberty to talk as you wants. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1886.98 1893.64 Yeah I think so. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1892.1 1894.23 Fine yes uh. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1895.42 1896.62 Yeah that's right. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1896.62 1897.51 Yeah that's right. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1901.69 1904.73 I was really I am very satisfying to work with 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1898.93 1901.69 Uh the teamwork was very very good. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1901.41 1902.49 Very democratic. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1910.13 1912.45 Oh. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1906.07 1910.13 with you. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1906.24 1910.57 Thank you. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1908.42 1909.75 Thank you. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1913.27 1913.94 Alright. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1914.4 1914.8 Alright. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1915.67 1917.68 And new ideas found. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1917.68 1921.76 Any new ideas to make these presentations more interactive and more interesting? 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1924.13 1928.99 Mm. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1924.46 1928.37 Come up with new product. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1926.48 1932.09 I mean uh what type of product would you think could we make this more interesting? 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1926.49 1934.79 Less fancy. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1933.2 1941.1 Mm we I I know something, we need more cakes, more biscuits on the table while we have meetings. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1960.96 1961.27 but 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1939.41 1960.96 Yeah and also more well uh more seriously I think it's it's a good idea to have uh clear clear points whenever we do a meeting uh prior to the meeting to have uh well a list with the points who will be discussed or things like that 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1945.61 1948.83 Mm. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1965.14 1968.71 We achieved uh project goal I think. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1963.12 1965.14 I think it's alright. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1968.31 1969.82 Yeah that is within the budget. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1969 1969.17 De 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1970.56 1973.41 It's w yes, more or less. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1970.71 1971.01 Mm. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1972.15 1973.59 And the evaluation was 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1972.77 1977.17 Without without L. C. D., without speech recognition, it will be simple. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1975.09 1976.11 Yeah that's right. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1975.64 1976.67 Yeah but 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1978.89 1979.39 Alright. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1979.97 1981.89 And the next is celebration. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1980.45 1980.82 So. 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1982.56 1983.11 So 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1982.84 1987.71 So uh coffee machine. 
IS1007d H02 MIO075 1987.71 1988.26 Okay. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1984.48 1988.85 Alright then, we finished? 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1984.69 1987.78 Yeah free free coffee. 
IS1007d H00 MIO049 1989.2 1991.95 Yeah thank you for your work and 
IS1007d H03 MIO072 1989.33 1991.21 Yeah thank you, thank you very much. 
IS1007d H01 MIO025 1989.91 1990.9 Thank you very much. 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 34.29 34.77 Oops. 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 38.76 40.61 That's as far as it goes. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 49.14 51.58 Hi guys uh good morning everybody here. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 55.18 62.78 uh my name is uh Shrida Daseri and uh I'm a project manager for this new project which we are going to discuss now. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 53.08 55.18 And uh I want to introduce myself 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 63.74 68.48 So I want to introduce first of all uh the names and the colleagues here. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 71.67 73.29 And what you're uh drawing? 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 72.56 80.25 Uh sure my name is Agnes and I'm an user usability user interface designer. 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 85.48 87.42 My name is Ed and I do accounting. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 88.44 89.97 Uh how you spell your name uh? 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 89.97 90.42 E. D. . 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 90.63 91.42 E. D. okay. 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 91.63 91.75 Mm. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 93.27 93.63 And? 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 95.46 96.53 Do you also do marketing? 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 96.67 98.6 No. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 99.28 100.34 So only accounting? 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 100.86 101.69 Accounting, yes. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 101.31 101.65 Okay. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 102.84 103.16 And? 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 103.41 109.34 And I'm Christine, and my role in this uh scenario is to be the industrial designer. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 104.64 104.97 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 109.84 110.77 Industrial designer. 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 111.59 112.49 But I'm not really one. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 115.67 117.86 So who is uh marketing, nobody in the market 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 117.24 120.7 Marketing is uh, is me. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 119.14 120.06 It's you, okay. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 121.56 129.08 So thanks for coming for the meeting first of all, and uh we have a long time 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 129.08 134.27 just twenty-five minutes to discuss about uh this project and the the project initiation. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 135.12 143.91 First of all I want to ask uh Mister Ed about your uh marketing plan and your product plan and uh 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 143.03 151.18 Well I think that we'll see that throughout the day in how we're going to put this together as a marketing to to market the product. 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 151.97 156.09 We'll have to see on a through discussion on where we're gonna go from here and from with this. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 156.22 162 Mm-hmm but uh do you already have like a functional design or a technical design or 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 160.38 162.78 Uh for the moment not yet. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 163.24 170.36 Oh for the moment not yet, okay, but uh what's what's your uh do you have some project plan, something with you or 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 168.91 173.02 Good question. 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 177.47 179.9 We'll have to simply we'll have to work on it together. 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 173.93 177.47 No, this is like I said that we have to be discussed between all of us and we'll go from there. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 178.28 178.64 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 180.11 188.84 Okay, so uh by when you think you can uh give me some kind of uh project plan, okay, a discussion with uh 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 188.42 189.74 Certainly by the next meeting. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 189.86 191.87 By next meeting, okay that will be great. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 197.58 198.06 Uh 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 200.56 206.33 Okay, so there's any questions or uh first of all about uh this project? 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 206.96 208.37 What is the goal of the project? 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 209.54 214.04 Uh the goal of the project I think maybe I'll uh hand out to the Ed, okay 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 214.04 218.69 so to explain uh what is the project because he's in the sales and the accounting. 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 221.7 224.67 We have to define exactly what our product is, from uh 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 218.24 221.7 I'm in the sales I'm supposed to explain them what to do. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 227.65 231.36 Yes, so can you explain uh what exactly the product is? 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 231.92 236.53 From what I had in mind we're supposed to be marketing coffee, is that right? 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 238.27 241.92 Oh I think uh, if I'm not wrong, we're making the remote control. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 238.65 239.45 Um I was wondering 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 249.44 256.33 and afterward I had a discussion about coffee so we'll start with the remote control for television then. 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 244.26 249.44 I had a first part of mine was to make a remote control for a new f remote control for television 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 241.99 244.26 Remote controls, 'cause I had two different things. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 252.36 254.31 Yes. 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 258.07 260.67 So we're have to design something that is very user friendly. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 261.19 261.44 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 261.23 261.62 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 269.95 276.24 because I think everybody's experienced with uh remote controls, and some remote controls are are worth uh throwing out the window. 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 261.5 269.95 Something uh visual that has something that will will draw people to buy the product,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 268.76 269.68 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 278.14 287.02 Uh th most of them ar I don't know we're have to come up with a new idea on how to make it a lot easier to use 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 287.02 292.49 'cause a lot of times uh spend uh half a day through the instruction book trying to figure out how to use it. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 286.52 286.85 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 292.76 293.06 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 293.3 293.54 Mm. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 294.27 299.82 And uh what abo uh Christine, what about your uh the industrial design plan? 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 300.58 305.99 Are you have a design already on this product or uh you're still working on the design? 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 333.85 338.08 and um I understood that that was the project goal. 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 321.19 333.85 Um the website I went to look at had some announcements about an introduction of a um uh some sort of a seven inch um monitor 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 312.33 321.19 and um I uh I actually didn't know we were designing a remote control, I thought we were designing a new monitor. 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 307.5 312.33 Um no, I I have not begun working on the design,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 311.44 311.77 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 338.39 345.77 So um I'm glad I didn't d do any work um ahead of time because uh I clearly didn't understand the project goal. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 345.98 346.35 Okay. 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 346.55 354.78 Um I just did s see that we were starting a new project together and there was going to be a four member team composed of these people,
IS1008a H02 FIE073 354.78 363.58 and um that's about uh that's and I I read through the different steps, and what my responsibilities were relative to the steps. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 358.4 358.71 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 363.76 369.65 So uh you'll be leading the team for your design team or how many members is working in the team, for the design? 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 368.59 371.48 Uh for the industrial design? 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 371.2 371.49 Yes. 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 372.18 375.81 Um well, I would th think that depends on how much money you give us. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 376.23 376.53 Okay. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 377.53 378.51 That's 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 377.74 386.46 Um because uh, you know, you can uh you can make it uh you have different choices with different financial models. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 389.49 399.67 uh do you have some idea how we can uh sell this product or project in the market and how much is going to benefit to the company and uh of course it's to the individual also. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 386.22 389.49 Yeah, but uh before we talk about uh the finance, okay 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 401.53 412.01 Well, you know um, I kind of think that in general you have to do uh um y you have to have something that's very fashionable,
IS1008a H02 FIE073 412.01 423.78 that's uh very attractive that um people see and recognize uh its goal, and uh they immediately wanna have it uh have one of their own. 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 429.73 436.47 seems to have caught on fairly well, so um d uh you know, I don't care what it does, just so it looks cool. 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 423.78 429.73 So it would really would need to um something like the iPod would be good,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 431.87 432.03 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 436.88 446.4 Okay, but uh uh when you think you can give me like a kind of design on the functional design or the technical design? 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 455.39 458.77 If they uh go quickly then uh it could be a month. 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 458.77 463.71 If um if I run into any problems in my other projects it might be six months. 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 446.2 455.39 Well, uh I've got a lot of other projects I'm doing right now um and so I'll have to wait and see how those uh how those go. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 475.14 478.83 okay, and what is the budget, maybe uh initial budget you're looking, 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 470.61 475.14 and uh how many people you need for this project, and what's the time frame you're looking,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 464.32 470.61 Yeah, but uh I need something in the writing, so like uh what's your functional design, what's your technical design,
IS1008a H02 FIE073 473.23 473.52 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 475.31 476.04 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 479.29 482.28 okay, and uh how is going to the market, okay,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 482.28 487.91 so you've you've had to meet with the marketing team and how they're going to market and what are the marketing strategic plan, 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 488.33 494.84 okay, when are you going to introduce, okay, and by the time you introduce the product and uh you know there there would be a competition,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 494.84 500.37 okay, so I need some kind of uh uh the plan in the writing from you. 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 501.18 503.22 And when would you like that? 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 501.29 502.38 Okay, and it's po 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 504.22 505.25 B as soon as possible. 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 506.71 516.59 Uh well if uh if we have enough time uh then d do you think um two weeks is a is close enough? 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 517.22 522.09 Yes I think uh that would be good, because I need to go to the management and uh tell them what we are going to do,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 529.26 533.21 I cannot go to the management and say, so we are going to do this and we need this much money, 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 522.09 524.08 and uh what cost is, okay,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 524.08 529.26 and what's the time frame and what's the project plan, because uh without any uh documentations,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 533.53 537.07 okay, so then it's it's difficult for me to say, okay,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 537.07 543.49 that's the reason I need uh some kind of plan from you, initially, okay, then we can have the further discussion again. 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 545.16 548.72 Uh are there other people who will be contributing to the plan? 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 549.32 551.88 Yes, of course, if you need some help, uh so let me know. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 552.14 559.22 So, who are the people you need uh from the marketing or uh the technical side or uh the administration point of view, okay,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 559.22 565.7 to add in any documentation, or some technical point of view, so just let me know so I can uh coordinate all the teams. 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 565.62 567.1 Okay, I'll get back to you on that. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 567.35 567.66 Thank you. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 567.03 567.35 Yes. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 568.12 568.34 Okay. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 568.94 580.79 And uh Ed uh so what's what do you think about uh this uh project for the remote control and d do you have some already planned something for your marketing strategy or uh the sales strategy? 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 604.61 608.99 it has to be something that that draws people saying eh, I like this. 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 601.28 604.61 uh th I agree it has to be something it has to be something new,
IS1008a H03 MIE085 587.91 595.4 what they're building, their designs, their ideas, uh also have to pinpoint which market we're gonna go into. 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 595.4 601.28 It should be a fairly large market because uh the number of people that uh the competition 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 581.17 587.91 Well not yet other than uh doing research and taking remote controls and looking what other companies have to do uh,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 587.54 587.87 Hmm. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 594.67 595.04 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 600.19 600.66 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 609.66 614.96 Whether it works or not, they have to first say I like this, I like the design, and then it's gotta be simple to use. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 615.16 621.11 Yes, so what I uh prefer maybe uh you need to interact uh more with the Christine,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 621.11 627.11 okay, because you know what she is going to do it, okay, and you know how to sell it. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 633.26 638.75 so because you need to sell and you're the responsible for the all the money, the finance, okay, tomorrow. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 627.53 633.26 Okay, because uh she is doing the design, but you are the core because you are in the marketing, okay,
IS1008a H03 MIE085 630.67 630.92 Yeah. 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 637.86 638.15 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 639.16 644.37 So, what I prefer, okay, so you need to interact with the Christine more and uh within her team,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 648.05 651.38 okay, and uh you need to come up with some kind of plan,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 651.38 655.03 okay, how we are going to do the your sales plan, okay, th 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 644.37 648.05 okay, who is using the functional design or technical design,
IS1008a H03 MIE085 647.52 647.74 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 654.66 660.93 Do we already have a cost limit on this, th an idea of how much uh we want to market this for,
IS1008a H03 MIE085 660.93 664.77 how much it's gonna sell for, that's up that's up to us to decide, eh? 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 659.7 659.8 Th 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 660.93 661.92 That that's 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 676.75 681.81 in the the technically, or in the sales wise, okay, the commercial wise, okay. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 663.98 672.26 Yes, that's you have to decide, okay, so the best thing is you uh both of uh the Christine and you discuss with yourself, okay,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 672.26 676.75 and come up with the cost, and how we are going to compete in the market, okay,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 682.18 685.96 Then uh we have to design, okay, how long it will take the whole project,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 685.96 690.22 okay, how much is going to cost us, and how much we are going to benefit for the company. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 691.08 695.66 Okay, of course it's it's uh of benefit for everybody individually. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 706.76 713.43 okay, then it will help me to discuss with the management for further, okay, and put it in the the proper project plan. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 701.99 706.76 okay, including the technical what uh she's going to talk to you within the team,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 696.53 701.99 Okay, so I think it's uh maybe if we can uh give me some kind of your uh the sales plan,
IS1008a H03 MIE085 714.9 715.79 Very good. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 715.1 722.84 Okay, and if you need uh any coordination in between uh compared to the maybe the some technical vendors or commercial vendors,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 722.84 728.08 okay, depends if you want to have some uh uh marketing plan or technical plan, okay, so you let me know. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 728.85 734.84 Okay, I can coordinate, or maybe uh, you are my coordinator, am I right? 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 729.44 729.77 Very good. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 735.27 735.9 Mm. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 735.92 737.93 Between uh all the coor 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 737.41 739.14 Well, no, not exactly. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 747.25 751.15 it's acceptable to the people who are gonna use it and look at the best ways to do that. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 739.14 747.25 I mean my job from what I understood was to look at the usability requirements and make sure that the product is usable 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 750.98 751.2 Yeah. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 755.39 761.4 so that she's not designing something that my studies will show right off the bat that it's not going to work,
IS1008a H01 FIE038 761.4 772.22 and so it's sort of it's a loop that feeds in, but I don't think necessarily that I'm in a coordinating position for it. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 751.47 755.39 So I think I'll have to interact with Christine and discuss with her 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 753.58 755.43 Th Christine, yeah. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 757.93 758.45 Which is 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 768.96 769.34 Yes. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 771.51 781.02 Yeah, so basically you need to interact with Christine more, okay, for the user acceptability, okay, and the testing, okay, then you will 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 777.88 778.1 Yeah. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 779.7 780.68 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 785.94 791.63 what tag lines you attach to it, how you try to make it more attractive to users. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 780.68 785.94 Which will also feed into the marketing, because depending on what users want, depends on how you sell it,
IS1008a H01 FIE038 791.63 796.98 So I think all three groups will need to interact quite a bit. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 782.25 782.73 Yes. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 785.9 786.24 Yes. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 787.09 787.25 Yeah. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 788.97 789.27 Yeah. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 791.03 791.27 Yeah. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 797.2 805.33 Um, and then I guess build the plan based on all of that, because I think you need to take all the factors into account. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 805.18 805.52 Yep. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 808.97 813.97 in between your uh meeting and Christine meeting, because uh he should know what's happening. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 805.79 808.97 But what I request, okay, keep Ed in the loop, okay,
IS1008a H01 FIE038 808.72 810.37 Yeah, of course. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 814.28 818.17 Yeah, we can C. C. him on any discussions or documents that are passed around. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 815.11 815.49 Yes. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 815.83 821.99 Okay and please please copy all the mails, okay, all the discussions to me, okay, so I need to submit to the management. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 820.23 820.44 Sure. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 822.24 822.64 No problem. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 825.75 827.98 So any questions for uh time being? 
IS1008a H03 MIE085 833.49 833.6 No. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 834.51 840.7 So, the immediate next step is to start determining the functional design, or okay. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 839.54 839.93 Yes. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 841.59 841.85 Okay. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 847.71 852.44 and how it's going to be work, and uh first of all with your user acceptance,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 852.44 859.74 okay, how it looks like and how it's going to be work in the market, okay, so then we can discuss about uh further things. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 843.81 847.71 To come up with the functional design and uh to discuss with Ed, okay,
IS1008a H01 FIE038 852.26 852.48 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 859.6 859.86 Okay. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 859.83 862.61 So, we'll meet when the we'll discuss on the further meeting. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 864.74 865.08 It's okay? 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 865.66 865.76 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 866.15 866.81 Thanks for coming. 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 866.98 872.04 Would you mind um at the conclusion of our meeting could could you send us a copy of your slides? 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 874.47 874.89 Yes. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 872.71 874.47 Yes, I will. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 873.27 874.69 Mm-hmm, yeah, that would be useful. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 879.99 884.77 share each other, okay, so you know everybody what's happening, okay? 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 875.56 879.99 I'll copy, uh le let us keep all the emails and all the copies, okay,
IS1008a H01 FIE038 884.07 884.25 Sure. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 886.8 891.52 And if anything you need anytime so please either you can call me, or just send me email,
IS1008a H00 MIO086 891.52 895.69 or uh just come and uh knock my door, okay, so I'm available here. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 896.61 897.45 It's good? 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 897.3 897.51 Okay. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 897.73 901.18 Okay, thanks for coming and uh I wish you a nice time then. 
IS1008a H02 FIE073 898.15 898.54 Thank you. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 898.72 899.29 Thanks. 
IS1008a H01 FIE038 901.54 901.8 Thank you. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 901.89 903 Okay, see you later. 
IS1008a H00 MIO086 903 903.5 Bye. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 34.47 40.49 Okay uh Agnes, you can help me for the slide when okay. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 37.5 37.92 Sure. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 36.75 37.5 Yep. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 40.93 42.79 Okay, welcome back. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 43.31 46.69 I hope uh you have a fresh head and a fresh time. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 48.87 58.05 How t now the meeting actually we gathering here to discuss about the functional design meeting. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 59.56 64 Okay, and uh we'll issue some information from uh all of you. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 64.18 68.34 And it's in the, I think uh, in the sharing folder. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 68.56 75.25 And uh I will invite uh the Christine and the Ed and uh Agnes to discuss about on the various subjects. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 77.29 79.31 So can you go to the next slide? 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 80.53 83.38 Yeah uh the agenda of the meeting is opening. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 83.88 88.01 Then uh I'm going to talk about uh the project management,
IS1008b H00 MIO086 88.01 92.84 what I'm going to do, and uh, of course, I'm doing the project management and secretary both, 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 93.25 95.09 okay, to take the minutes of the meeting. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 95.71 97.5 And there are three presentations. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 97.56 99.85 One is uh new project requirements. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 100.34 103.52 And the second one about uh decision on remote control functions. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 104.01 105.78 And uh finally we are closing. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 106.04 111.73 Uh and the meeting time will be uh forty minutes, so you have to be very quick. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 112.88 118.79 And I have come up with the management come with the new proposal, okay, and I have to discuss a few points on this. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 119.56 124.38 Uh both says new insights in the aim of your project. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 126.36 135.41 Uh the one is uh the teletext becomes uh outmoded, okay because if uh because of the computer systems and the new technology. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 135.63 140.59 So we don't need to consider really about the teletext all in our new project design. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 141.35 145.44 And the second one is about uh the remote control. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 146.37 149.19 Should be used only for the T. V. . 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 149.94 151.94 That's what our uh management says. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 153.78 164.6 And the third point, it's very very important to establish our uh marketing or uh corporate image, okay, with this new project or new product. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 166.28 166.56 Okay. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 168.09 170.81 So I will invite uh 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 171.64 173.77 Agnes, can you go to the third slide? 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 174.77 175.86 No, this is the third slide. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 176.12 176.41 Okay,. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 177.19 183.03 So, I'll invite uh Christine to discuss about uh the functional design. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 185.28 187.32 'Kay, do you wanna open the 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 186.46 186.84 Sure. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 189.01 189.57 Um. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 194.37 197.14 You're participant s 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 196.95 198.27 I'm number two. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 199.37 199.48 Two? 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 200.4 200.75 That's it. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 204.48 205.9 Do you want the mouse, or do you want me to 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 207.03 208.11 Yeah, thanks. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 206.23 207.03 I'll do the notes. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 222.11 230.29 and from research I did, uh the the device has to turn the television on and off the first time you press on the big button,
IS1008b H01 FIE073 230.29 235.22 you can't uh can't have like uh waffling on this point, you know. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 235.22 235.72 Really have 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 211.57 222.11 So um well I I figured uh we should um identify some user requirements, and from my experience, I wanna uh,
IS1008b H01 FIE073 235.87 238.15 It needs to be able y y have to be able to find it. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 238.64 243.54 Because one of the biggest problems with remote controls is finding them. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 250.01 255.75 thought we better look at things that are popular and um ex go beyond those, and, as I said in the first meeting, 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 244.49 250.01 So uh, I also, since we have to establish our corporate image on the basis of this new product,
IS1008b H01 FIE073 264.31 272.64 especially in the the uh the outside of the product so that it gives the appearance, and it is reliable, and so forth. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 256.58 264.31 um and then uh we might wanna talk eventually about the materials that are appropriate to use in uh in the construction,
IS1008b H01 FIE073 285.33 293.29 'cause it made me think of um um maybe the remote control made a big flash when uh you turn the T. V. on and off, that might be interesting. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 284.29 285.33 which I kinda like the idea,
IS1008b H01 FIE073 273.67 279.72 I did a little history on uh the the uh remote controls and when they were invented and so forth,
IS1008b H01 FIE073 279.72 284.29 so, I guess this guy Zenith uh created the Flashmatic 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 303.49 312.94 and the sound on and off, and change channels c so I think um those are still requirements we have today, uh fifty years later. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 293.93 303.49 And um so it was highly directional flash light that uh you could turn the picture on and off,
IS1008b H02 FIE038 311.06 311.25 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 313.6 318.82 And uh it was really a pioneering innovation, but it was uh sensitive to the sun 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 318.82 326.24 so that uh it would get would start off by the you'd get it would easily cause um problems. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 327.08 328.06 So, uh 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 328.86 342.56 I in addition to uh looking at the um uh the functional requir so all these devices are examples of where uh mm they represent examples that are available today 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 342.56 344.13 which I think the one in the middle 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 344.64 348.24 is r um really uh something to keep in mind. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 348.24 349.38 It'd be easy to find. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 344.93 347.18 Fantastic. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 350.22 360.68 And um it would uh y you'd you could throw it at things if if the T. V. didn't turn on and off, you could use it for something else. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 360.99 366.5 And since I'm not really um Industrial Designer, I didn't really know what to do with this slide. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 367.14 368.36 But um 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 380.07 382.66 I don't know why um we were asked to do this. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 368.48 376.07 I just took some different uh schematics and I put them into this 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 376.07 380.07 and I guess this is what a slide might look like if you were drawing a circuit board. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 383.12 383.69 So, 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 384.36 387.81 uh personal preferences, um 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 388.24 391.33 I think we could uh I I'm really thinking outside the box here 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 391.33 400.08 and I think that we should consider perhaps having an an an a a size uh a remote control that changes in size depending on the user preference. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 400.34 403.96 So something that's very very flexible and inflatable and then you could shrink it. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 413.71 420.95 so you didn't have to um uh have a problem with the th the decoration of the of the user's home. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 409.06 413.71 or you could make it clear, and um kind of blend in with things 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 404.42 409.06 I think um it could either be you could go either one extreme, be very colourful,
IS1008b H01 FIE073 424.4 430.54 because uh sometimes they fall into cups and, you know, it might be out by the swimming pool or something like that. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 421.52 424.4 Um I think uh it needs to be waterproof,
IS1008b H01 FIE073 430.97 438.75 Um if you uh mi one of one of my requirements was about needs t to tell you when it's done its job or not, because half the time,
IS1008b H01 FIE073 438.75 443.85 I keep pushing on the remote control, and I don't know if it's actually understood my message 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 443.85 446.47 so I think it should give you some sort of an oral cue. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 446.92 449.88 And uh, course I never wanna replace the battery. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 449.94 454.2 So, that's those are my f preferences, and that's my presentation. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 454.54 456.75 Yeah, let me uh interrupt you uh 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 456.99 461.13 if you can add other facility, other feature, like uh unbreakable. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 461.46 462.13 Yes. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 462.14 467.48 Okay, because uh especially today, you know, you have the family and the kids,
IS1008b H00 MIO086 467.48 471.29 okay, and the kids throw it and they they play with their remotes and. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 470.09 471.42 Run over it with a car. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 471.41 471.73 Yes. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 472.14 478.15 Okay, so if you can add the feature, okay, for your uh fabric whatever in your outline design 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 478.42 484.21 okay, with unbreakable, okay, I think that will give a lot of advantage for our product, 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 485.79 487.47 Good idea, I'll I'll uh um 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 484.83 485.79 Good idea. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 484.88 485.49 if I'm not wrong. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 486.95 488.32 Maybe you can uh add it in that. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 488.45 489.27 Yes, very good. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 500.13 510.27 Okay, uh thank you Christine, and uh uh any questions or uh clarifications, or any discussion on the functional design? 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 513.29 516.26 Do you have any preconceived ideas in terms of materials? 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 523.64 530.08 I dunno, steel or titanium isn't really economically viable. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 516.79 523.64 'Cause, for example, in the unbreakable thing, doing something plastic would be harder, whereas having something like,
IS1008b H01 FIE073 521.38 521.74 Hmm. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 524.39 525.7 Titanium. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 525.7 530.76 Titanium would be be heavy, too, wouldn't it? 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 525.92 527.62 Titanium. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 530.41 531.14 Yeah. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 533.14 538.24 No, I haven't really um I wanted feedback, I think we need to rate rank these 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 538.24 541.7 but we'll see what your uh personal preferences are and your thoughts. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 537.91 538.24 Yeah. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 541.02 544.49 No, I just wondering whether that you had any sort of 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 539.52 541.02 Sure, yeah. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 545.03 545.7 It's light. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 543.9 545.03 I like titanium. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 546.09 546.34 Yeah. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 546.73 547.4 Expensive. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 546.83 556.04 Uh yeah but uh who who said who said we were, you know, nobody told me how mu what our financial objective is, so um 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 548.25 551.09 The marketing comes out. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 551.45 551.84 Yes. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 556.71 557.84 Yeah so 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 557.2 560.69 It'd be hard to inflate something ou made out of titanium though. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 558.98 564.2 Yeah the the I'm sorry because uh the last meeting we supposed to discuss about the financial thing. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 564.63 567.47 Uh let me go quickly, maybe if I can go back. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 568.53 570.85 I know the project plan and the budget. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 575.87 578.66 So I can close this, not sure. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 580.34 581.9 Was in uh 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 597.3 597.77 S 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 600.08 600.29 This. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 618.44 620.92 So let me see where is this file. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 632.08 633.33 That's Christine's. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 633.6 634.8 This is Christine. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 651.29 652.84 And that's mine, I think. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 652.16 653.15 That's yours, okay. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 654.54 655.45 Saving. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 658.31 658.86 In modified. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 659.54 662.65 I don't know, I think verbally we can we can pretty much sell. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 660.25 662.32 Okay, uh I will I will send you a mail, okay? 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 662.32 665.44 The project may be the the project aim, okay. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 666.1 672.35 At the end of the day, the company uh wants to make at least uh the fifty million Euro. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 672.64 678.1 Okay, and uh of course the price will be very reasonable on the the sales side. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 678.52 687.42 that maybe Eddie will talk to you about uh how much uh the price and uh what's uh how much its cost for the manufacturing and how much it's going to be we sell in the market. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 678.2 678.52 Okay 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 688.2 688.5 Okay. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 688.94 691.46 Then uh you can come back with your feedback. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 691.78 694.92 And I I have one maybe the suggestion or opinion. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 694.92 700.97 This remote control, okay, it can be for like universal, to use for any T. V. . 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 702.6 706.44 Okay, and it will be slim, okay, and uh 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 705.34 707.33 Not fat? 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 708.01 708.62 Not fat. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 708.84 710.33 Not fat, huh. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 710 710.21 Okay. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 711.96 713.21 Might be hard to find, though. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 713.82 714.16 Yep. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 715.15 715.26 Hmm. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 715.44 720.56 But let's try it, okay, with the different uh the designs, okay, the functional designs. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 716.72 717.2 Oh, okay. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 721.09 721.32 Okay? 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 722.06 723.48 So any other questions? 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 724.72 729.84 Uh from her side, I don't think uh there's too many more questions. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 729.84 731.05 If you can come to the 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 730.11 733.37 Thank you Christine for uh time being, so then uh 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 729.32 730.11 Okay. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 734.48 736.73 Ed, so can you tell about 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 741.75 745.12 I was looking for a a remote control to have a s 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 735.43 741.75 Okay, from the marketing yeah, from the marketing side, just to to give an idea what the management is looking for 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 744.66 746.73 S 'scuse me for one sec. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 747.59 754.42 I have a sales price of twenty-five Euro, with a production price of uh twelve and a half Euro. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 756.77 764.13 For what uh I think from what we're trying to find, we're tr we're looking for, I don't think that price is exactly in the market. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 764.95 765.53 Okay? 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 765.59 765.87 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 765.8 768.95 I'll explain myself here now in the sense that uh 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 775.67 779.57 eighty percent are willing to spend more money for something as fancy as trendy. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 770.24 775.67 in a in the recent surveys, uh from the ages fr from fifteen to thirty-five 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 780.59 783.59 Twenty-five Euros, uh that's that's a preson reasonable price. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 783.59 784.99 That's a market price right now. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 796.5 797.64 Obviously the risk is there. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 785.69 791.35 Now if we're gonna take a risk, and push this up a bit, make it more expensive,
IS1008b H03 MIE085 791.35 796.5 but give them added things that they don't have now, then it w it could possibly sell. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 787.15 787.69 Yep. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 794.22 794.37 Yep. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 797.97 799.61 Too expensive, they're not gonna buy. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 810.1 815.2 which always spends more money on trendy new things, speech recognition is requested. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 800.08 810.1 But, I think uh there's one other thing interesting two things that are interesting is that uh from the fifteen to thirty-five year-old group,
IS1008b H01 FIE073 816.45 818.46 Speech recognition? 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 816.49 824.53 And we're talking between seventy-five to ninety percent of this group is willing to pay for speech recognition on a remote. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 824.59 824.72 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 825.47 829.76 Obviously, we can't make a remote into a computer, but maybe simple commands. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 830.87 834.79 I dunno, louder, softer, on, off. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 836.27 841.42 That might be a possibility, even though it costs more, to be the first on the market to produce this. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 842.75 845 Thirty-five percent say they're too difficult to use. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 845.37 848.04 So we have to figure out a way of making it um more user friendly. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 848.73 854.62 Uh fifty percent say they can't find the remote half the time. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 855.45 860.04 So maybe one word speech recognition commands, say remote, and there's a beep beep beep,
IS1008b H03 MIE085 860.04 865.51 and they can find it through, you know, ten tons of newspapers, magazines, whatever you have at home. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 866 869.72 But, in the cost that uh the management is looking for, that's not gonna be possible. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 886.47 891.3 I can find my my remote without spending half a day looking for it and getting all upset 'cause I can't turn the T. V. on. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 876.54 881.17 if it's got simple remote speech remote uh control, like I said,
IS1008b H03 MIE085 871.35 876.54 But if it's trendy, if it's fancy, it's got some colour to it, if it's very easy easy to use,
IS1008b H03 MIE085 881.17 886.47 louder, softer, change channel, on, off, remote, it goes beep beep 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 892.43 900.32 So we're gonna have to look at it in a in this global idea, with the ideas of the industrial uh design. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 901.11 903.1 But, price obviously we have to talk about. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 903.56 903.69 Yep. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 905.16 908.54 So what do you think about uh the design? 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 908.54 910.68 Do you think you can make it or uh 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 914.62 915.79 D uh I'm sorry? 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 916.95 922.74 What do you think about uh the design, uh what he was talking about of the speech recognition? 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 920.79 921.88 Speech recognition. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 925.57 930.87 Well, uh training is always an issue with uh commands. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 930.84 931.12 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 944.35 950.17 uh it could reduce th th uh the overall um cost. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 931.35 944.35 So um might uh we can perhaps um do it if the user is willing to spend some time in the training process 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 950.69 951.2 Not sure how. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 951.4 960.65 But um anyway, um I I think also that uh this might impact the battery life. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 961.49 972.4 And um so, maybe what we'll have to do is um add something where you can um recharge it wirelessly 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 973.6 976.66 so that uh y you know sen send power to it. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 982.8 991.57 um a a solar cell inside there so that uh you have enough uh juice to do all these fancy things. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 977.8 982.8 So uh or maybe uh set it out in the sun and it uh, you know, gets uh, from the light 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 981 981.13 Hmm. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 991.27 994.79 It seems also like with the speech recognition, yeah, it's a great feature,
IS1008b H02 FIE038 998.99 1001.66 It's not just, you know, noises like something hitting. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 994.79 998.99 but if you're watching T. V., there's a lot of ambient sound, and it's words. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1011.53 1013.13 Otherwise, you can say remote. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1013.13 1019.79 But if someone on the screen is saying the same thing, all of a sudden, you have someone in a movie saying off and your screen dies, 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1002.24 1011.53 It's actual speech, so then you have to make sure that the speech recognizer is good enough to filter out the T. V. speech, and the the user's speech. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1012.93 1014.54 Off. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1020.31 1024.48 because they've triggered the remote control and it's turned off your T. V. . 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1025.38 1032.55 So, I think if we can find a speech recognizer that can handle those types of problems, then yeah, it'd be a really good marketing gimmick. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1032.55 1036.73 But, I think we seriously need to consider how that would impact 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1031.43 1031.81 Mm. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1038.63 1039.61 the situation. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1039.59 1040.25 Very good point. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1041.17 1048.75 Because tha w with speech recognition uh th I'm not that good at that idea but th 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1047.61 1047.89 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1048.77 1055.19 if it's a one-word recognition, 'cause I know with telephones and cars and things I've seen in the States,
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1055.19 1058.35 a friend of mine says call Mom, and it calls up Mom. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1054.16 1054.32 Yeah. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1058.69 1058.96 Yeah. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1059.17 1060.84 'Kay the radio can be on and everything. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1061.05 1061.2 Yep. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1061.68 1070.42 Because I think s with speech recognition, if uh the the remote or like the telephone it has a exact word that it has to hear. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1069.55 1069.97 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1071.08 1073.75 I don't think it would come through a sentence in a television. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1073.85 1078.77 If somebody's speaking on the se the television, they're not gonna stop and say remote, okay. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1078.29 1078.83 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1079.13 1083.92 So I think that uh something could be designed to recognise single word 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1083.99 1084.24 Yeah. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1083.33 1083.99 Oh yeah. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1084.57 1086.07 Like the t like the telephone. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1084.61 1089.43 No, I think it's a great idea if we can design it to to suit those requirements. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1090.82 1095.38 and the telephone called immediately so well, that's kinda cute. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1086.49 1090.82 No because I this is this is years ago in the United States where we're driving down and he said call home,
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1092.75 1093.05 Yeah. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1099.43 1106.35 Well, what I can uh suggest to you, Christine, okay, uh if you need some uh the technical feedback,
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1106.35 1112.47 or some training, okay, about uh this facility, especially for the speech recognition, 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1112.92 1120.83 I can recommend you some companies like uh Intel or I. B. M., okay, because they're already in this uh speech recognition part, okay. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1121.29 1126.63 And uh you can maybe have some uh technical backup from them, some kind of a technical tie-up. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1127.44 1134.44 Okay, and uh if you want, I can coordinate, okay, to get some information, okay, and uh you can uh let me know,
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1134.44 1139.92 okay, so what kind of uh the details you require 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1140.75 1142.53 okay, to add this feature 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1144.23 1145 in this project. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1146.18 1148.28 I don't think it's uh the difficult. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1152.64 1156.26 And uh we need to know how much is the timeframe you need to develop, 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1157.85 1159.69 apart from uh what today. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1161.52 1162.67 Okay, we'll find that out. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1162.88 1163.04 Yep. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1164.33 1169.46 From from your side uh, you're gonna have to go back the management and s be more s precise. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1173.52 1178.42 Something that's gonna cost more, but could very easily s make a boom in the market? 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1170.54 1173.52 Uh, a risk, take a risk on the market? 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1169.46 1170.54 What do they want? 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1168.02 1168.44 Yes. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1169.98 1170.39 Yes. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1176.99 1177.26 Yes. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1178.53 1178.69 Yep. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1179.08 1182.31 Because it has to be something totally different, has to be total totally new. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1182.31 1184.05 Something that nobody has right now. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1184.92 1187.82 Yeah but but end of the day, you're the sales guy,
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1187.82 1193.51 so I will come back and sit on your head because uh you are going to give your sales projection, okay. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1184.96 1185.79 And it's gonna cost. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1194.13 1200.58 It's uh of course it's uh good to uh tell the management how much it's cost us and how much you are going to benefit, okay. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1194.39 1194.83 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1199.54 1200 Sure. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1200 1200.49 Sure. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1204.04 1209.75 the management to spend some more money on the project, okay, if you can make out of 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1200.95 1204.04 And uh, so I don't mind to convince, okay,
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1211.24 1212.64 Obviously. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1212.26 1213.82 the money from this project. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1213.82 1217.93 Yes, okay I don't mind to convince the the management, okay. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1212.9 1215.06 If the bottom line is positive. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1217.4 1217.58 Mm. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1218.29 1225.89 The management says, okay, so they they don't want certain facilities, which it's already worked, okay, they want something uh new, okay. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1226.21 1231.47 I think uh like uh speech recognit definitely they will agree, I don't think they'll say no for that, okay. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1231.79 1235.77 And uh I hope I can convince the management on that, okay. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1238.36 1244.21 for uh your you can always come up and uh you can tell me if you need any uh s special,
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1244.21 1250.34 okay, coordination, okay, between any uh technical companies, which you can uh hide their technology backup, 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1236.16 1238.36 So if you have any uh new ideas, okay 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1251.11 1256.24 okay, for your uh functional design or technical design, okay, then I am ready to do that. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1261.53 1264.06 And uh what's your comments about uh 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1266.11 1269.6 Um well, I mean, maybe if I go through my presentation,
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1269.6 1274.93 you can sort of see what the user perspective is, and how it ties into the other two comments. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1270.42 1270.72 Mm. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1274.9 1278.36 Yeah, so you are finish, Ed, uh so I can uh 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1276.63 1277.4 Yes. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1277.4 1277.53 Mm. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1278.92 1281.19 Okay, I'll uh hand over to Agnes. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1282.1 1284.51 Just gonna close this. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1284.51 1284.63 T 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1287.1 1288.78 Uh where are you, here? 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1289.09 1290.27 Mm participant three. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1291.17 1292.05 Participant three. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1298.01 1299.54 Nope, here 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1299.64 1300.68 Okay, so I'll yep. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1317.39 1317.59 Okay. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1318.85 1319.07 Good. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1323.79 1325.04 Thanks. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1325.04 1325.82 Yeah, and that's fine. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1324.26 1324.91 Is it okay? 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1324.91 1325.13 Alri 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1332.31 1339.18 the method that we usually use in the user interface design is that we need to look at what people like and what people don't like about existing products. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1339.18 1341.13 So, in our case, existing remote controls. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1329.16 1332.31 So, basically 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1328.39 1329.16 Okay. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1347.3 1350.95 We seem to have intuitions about why things are good or things are bad,
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1341.64 1347.3 And then, what the good ideas are, and what the bad ideas are, and why they're bad and good, which isn't always as obvious. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1350.95 1356.31 but when you look, technically, at how it works, sometimes that's not the case. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1356.89 1363.8 Then we need to decide what functionalities we really want to keep, 'cause that'll feed into both Ed's work and Christine's work. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1364.52 1370.65 Um and then what the remote control should look like, obviously, once we've got a good idea of what the functionalities are. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1375.6 1381.12 You need to change channels, both by directly going to a specific channel or by channel surfing. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1381.12 1387.68 You need to be able to control the volume and then control any menus on the T. V. to regulate contrast or whatever. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1371.41 1375.6 So, in terms of the functionalities that we need, you obviously need to be able to turn the T. V. on and off. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1392.05 1397.18 So, the problems that people have expressed is that there's too many buttons on remote controls, in general. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1397.62 1400.79 The buttons it's not clear what they're supposed to do. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1401.33 1408.18 Um often, you need to know specific button sequences to get certain functionalities done,
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1408.18 1412.93 um which you don't necessarily always remember, especially if it's a functionality that you don't use very often. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1413.4 1414.89 And that the buttons are too small. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1416.14 1424.43 So, here we've got two examples where here on the left-hand side, you can see a remote control that has lots and lots of buttons. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1424.43 1426.7 The buttons, in a lot of cases, are tiny. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1427.58 1434.04 Um they're hard to see, and okay, they're labelled, but the labels don't necessarily tell you too much. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1448.29 1454.06 So, I would be inclined to go sort of towards this, in terms of design, rather than this. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1442.72 1448.29 And it sort of looks simpler and just less imposing when you first look at it. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1434.33 1442.72 Whereas, on the other side, you have a much simpler remote control that I think basically has the minimum functionalities that are needed. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1454.54 1461.29 And if there's specific functionalities that require more buttons, then we can figure out how to do it with existing um buttons. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1462.02 1466.24 So my personal preferences are to keep the number of buttons to a limit, or to a minimum,
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1469.98 1477.89 so like the on button being really obvious one, the channel changing and the volume, and to keep the design basically sleek and simple. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1466.24 1469.98 sorry, make frequently used buttons bigger and more strategically placed,
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1477.08 1477.94 Click mm. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1479.43 1485.4 Which, I think ties into what Christine and Ed have both said fairly reasonably. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1485.7 1488.22 Um so, that's pretty much it, an 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1489.89 1493.39 I don't know if you guys have any questions or 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1501.41 1510.28 Clearly your research and uh and ours uh heading in the same direction, and um uh 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1497.75 1501.41 Oh, it's um, seems very understandable. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1506.65 1507.02 Yep. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1510.72 1520.36 the only thing that I saw missing from uh your your research that we found was this uh ability to find the doggone thing when you need it. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1522.03 1522.22 Yeah. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1520.53 1522.03 Yes, that's true. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1521.46 1523.09 So uh, you know, but that's okay. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1523.09 1531.09 That's why we're all here at the table, so that if we think of it and our research indicates certain things and um w we it's complementary. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1529.35 1529.55 Yeah. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1541.45 1550.59 is something that um uh was expressed more in in in in my uh design 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1531.99 1541.45 I also think that um uh th f the the feel of it is uh, when you hold it 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1550.46 1551.18 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1551.18 1551.49 Yeah. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1551.04 1560.49 and that's logical and normal 'cause those are the parameters that an Industrial Designer's more thinking about, th th the look and the feel, and uh, you're 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1557.58 1557.77 Yeah. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1559.93 1561.57 Oh, that's definitely a very important factor,
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1561.57 1568.13 especially to users who are gonna be buying the thing and then using it almost on an daily basis in a lot of cases, I think. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1562.87 1563.29 Yep. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1562.32 1562.87 First. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1567.67 1568.14 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1570.24 1572.85 Okay, so I don't have any questions. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1573 1573.73 Sounds good. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1594.08 1598.39 okay, and to add some features, like we are talking about, the speech recognition and all. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1585.75 1594.08 maybe I can uh try to help you to get some uh the technical uh the companies to help you for uh make a design uh slim,
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1575.09 1585.75 So for anybody need uh any help, for time being, on this uh subjects, okay, so please come back to me, and uh Christine 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1581.19 1581.45 Oh 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1600.15 1606.41 Should we maybe make a decision about what features we actually want to include, 'cause we've thrown a lot of features onto the table, but 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1603.76 1604.2 Yeah. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1607.72 1613.44 do we actually want to incorporate all of them, or have we missed anything? 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1612.63 1613.06 Hmm. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1613.78 1617.65 Do you wanna go back and look at the closing slide, maybe that would provide some guidance? 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1618.62 1618.91 Sure. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1633.91 1634.88 Doesn't really tell us. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1634.97 1638.2 So not really this one we are talk ab 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1636.96 1638.09 Individual actions. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1637.75 1643.86 Well it says individual actions, it says user interf so I'm supposed to do the components concept, 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1640.04 1640.13 Yep. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1644.33 1648.95 supposed to work on the user interface concept, and you're supposed to keep watching the trends. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1645.34 1645.65 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1649.78 1654.29 Um and specific instructions will be sent by our our coach. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1654.77 1663.5 I think we should do as many features as uh start with all of them right now and eliminate them later in the process, that's my suggestion. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1654.78 1655.33 I thought 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1665.11 1668.05 Okay, that will be great. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1668.05 1671.19 And uh I'll send you the the minutes of meet 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1670.06 1672.92 You can object if you want to 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1672 1674.64 No, I I'm just thinking in terms of time, like if 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1672 1677.65 She's objecting. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1683.97 1692.54 I mean, it takes a lot of time and effort for everyone to consider different features, um 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1675.24 1677.3 Yes, now I'm objecting. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1677.3 1683.97 No, I mean, I was just thinking is it really practical to start designing something with features that we're just gonna end up throwing away? 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1675.62 1675.82 Yeah. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1697.25 1702.76 maybe it's better to spend it on the f thinking more about features that we actually do want, but 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1693.42 1697.25 and s if we spend that time and effort on features that we're not gonna use,
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1702.53 1704.58 Oh th we s we still have 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1703.01 1706.98 I think we should take that as an action item for after the meeting, 'cause w our meeting time has run out. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1706.98 1711.82 Somebody else has go to use this room, and, you know, we can't hang out here and talk about this, so 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1703.05 1703.87 I guess 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1705.82 1706.7 Yeah. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1706.7 1707.4 Right. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1707.22 1707.68 Sure. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1708.8 1709.05 Yeah. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1710.48 1710.74 Yeah. 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1710.74 1711.2 Sure. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1712.03 1717.38 Okay, what we'll do is now we'll take for lunch break, okay, then uh we can discuss furthermore,
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1717.38 1721.07 okay, with our areas, and uh then we will come back again in the in the next meeting. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1721.81 1730.07 So thanks for coming and uh I'll send you minutes of meeting, and uh please put your all information in the sharing folder so everybody can share the information. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1731.26 1731.74 Okay? 
IS1008b H02 FIE038 1731.53 1731.9 Okay. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1732.44 1733.69 So let's go for lunch then. 
IS1008b H01 FIE073 1734.98 1735.94 Thank you very much. 
IS1008b H03 MIE085 1735.07 1736.11 Agreed. 
IS1008b H00 MIO086 1735.45 1735.98 Thank you. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 25.78 30.78 Uh welcome back after lunch, I hope uh you had a good lunch 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 32.36 33.39 together. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 35.7 40.44 For uh this meeting the main agenda okay uh to discuss about the 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 41.89 44.11 conceptual design meeting. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 46.9 49.43 Okay and the agenda will be 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 52.72 62.01 the opening and uh that's uh the product manager or secretary that's me and uh the presentations from the Christine and uh 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 64.2 67.03 Agnes and from Mister Ed. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 68.92 72.05 And finally in this meeting we have to decide 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 73.56 77.16 and we are to take a decision on the remote control 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 78.84 82.76 concept and uh the functional design 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 83.75 87.22 So we have forty minutes, I think it's uh 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 89.29 95.37 little bit uh low, but I I hope we can finish it up so I'll handle to the 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 97.17 103.12 the functional team, to the Christine, okay, to discuss about uh the components concept. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 110.46 111.53 I'm number two. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 105.61 110.46 So uh, if you could open the PowerPoint presentation. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 104.21 105.61 Okay. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 111.69 113.5 You're number two. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 117.46 117.74 'Kay 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 121.5 123.65 Components design, there we go. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 129.62 130.54 Yeah. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 126.45 129.62 So uh can we put it in slide show mode? 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 131.01 131.74 The next one. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 135.3 136.49 Thank you. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 136.49 137.54 I'll take the mouse. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 131.65 135.3 Right here, is that little that one, yes please. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 139.5 141.43 So uh 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 175.74 180.95 so it could be in the television set, could be in the device, but somewhere you have to put the microphone 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 197.14 206.46 what hasn't and then we also um we wanted to evaluate some new materials and we contacted manufacturing for their input because,
IS1008c H02 FIE073 190.53 197.14 Our method for going about this is we've looked at uh the histo hi historical record, what's worked 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 187.13 190.53 Um so the other w thing that we So. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 213.85 218.48 so uh this is the approach that we took during our um our research. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 167.31 175.74 but um maybe you do have it a a way it has to it has to hear the speaker and um,
IS1008c H02 FIE073 158.1 161.9 In instance we had talked about using some sort of speech recognition 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 206.46 213.85 course, we m might come up and choose the material that then manufacturing didn't have the technologies or capabilities to offer us 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 180.95 187.13 um and a w a way of making beeps or sounds so you can find it when it's gets lost. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 143.91 158.1 we were looking he specifically at the components uh the following components, uh the case, the power supply, uh the means of communications with the television set. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 161.9 167.31 you have to have microphone well no you don't actually I haven't have to have microphone in the device 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 174.58 174.69 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 242.44 245.26 so then we were thinking about um rubber 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 233.16 242.44 but um that uh doesn't seem to b be one of the choic non-option we can uh we can really seriously explore 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 219.89 229.35 So um for the case, um we told we were making a specifica specific assumption that it would be curved in design. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 229.35 233.16 Course, you know, I wanted it to be expandable and shrinkable 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 245.26 255.56 but um unfortunately that's been eliminated because of the heat uh factor and th um there might be some problems with the m uh how it's 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 256.82 258.7 uh goes with the board. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 276.61 281.54 the m people in manufacturing said that you couldn't make d curved cases out of titanium 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 281.54 291.2 although how Apple did it with th PowerBook I'm not su quite sure but uh nevertheless um they've eliminated all of our options except wood. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 259.55 266.87 Uh and uh then th plastic also has this problem of melting and it's brittle it gets brittle after a while,
IS1008c H02 FIE073 266.87 276.61 so um we still had titanium and and wood available, but um unfortunately uh uh titanium's also been eliminated uh 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 291.71 297.37 At least it's environmentally friendly. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 295.08 299 And a as she said, it's an environmentally friendly uh material,
IS1008c H02 FIE073 318.31 328.48 And um then there was the regular which I regret that I've forgotten exactly why I'm eliminating that one. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 311.51 318.31 but uh these simple chips, but that's only works for the bu you don't get very much um intelligence with this simple one. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 291.89 295.08 So, this is our finding. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 338.45 342.52 which w 'member the beam was that was an important component of finding the right chip. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 305.98 311.51 So then there's this other matter of the chips and um well we could use a simple design on the board,
IS1008c H02 FIE073 299 305.98 so we're we're currently uh proposing, uh we'll get to all my personal preferences in just a second. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 328.48 332.91 Uh the other option was this advanced chip on print 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 332.91 338.45 and uh we liked th we we found that it it includes this infrared sender 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 354.58 362.88 so uh we we uh now jumping right to our personal preferences um I I'd really think we should,
IS1008c H02 FIE073 384.26 388.46 and then they could submit their orders, kinda like you submit a custom car order, you know 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 343.08 354.58 And uh manufacturing has told us that they've um uh recently developed a uh a sensor and a speaker that would uh be integrated into this advanced chip on print 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 379.79 384.26 they could do sort of a this um three-dimensional design on the internet,
IS1008c H02 FIE073 362.88 368.86 you know, use some of uh some really exotic woods, like um, you know uh 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 394.33 402.6 and then I uh think we should go with the solar cells as well as the um microphone and speaker on the advanced chip. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 402.6 414.13 So this is the findings of our research and my recommendations um for the new remote control w um would be to have um have it be made out of wood. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 368.86 374.49 well you guys come from tropical countries so you can kinda think of some trees and some nice woods. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 374.49 379.79 I think that people will might really want to design their own cases, you see 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 414.13 415.73 Do you have any problems with that? 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 388.46 394.33 and you can choose the colour and the size of the wheels and the colours of the leather and things like that 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 415.73 418.27 Can you go back uh one slide? 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 421.36 422.72 Let's go back up here. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 419.28 421.36 I'm not sure, how do I Oh, I know, let's see. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 421.29 422.54 Thank you. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 422.54 422.76 Yeah. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 422.84 429.72 Yes, uh question, uh, what's mean exactly, advanced chip on print? 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 429.72 430.71 What's the meaning of that? 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 431 440.56 I think it's um um a multiple uh chip design um and it's uh maybe printed on to the circuit board. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 441.64 441.97 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 442.13 446.88 Uh I could find out more about that uh before the next fi next meeting. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 444.49 450.49 Yeah, is it means it's on the yeah is it on a micro-proc micro-processor based or uh 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 452.72 455.27 I don't know, but I'll find out more at our next meeting. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 454.87 459.7 Okay, tha that would be great, so if you find out from the technology background, okay, so that would be good. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 459.89 460.5 Sounds good. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 461.26 464.18 Why was the plastic eliminated as a possible material? 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 463.94 466.4 Because um it gets brittle, 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 467.48 468.54 cracks 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 468.67 469.02 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 471.34 471.77 Um 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 473.15 479.93 We want we expect these um uh these remote controls to be around for several hundred years. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 481 481.68 So. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 481.68 490.14 Good ex Good expression. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 482.46 482.9 Whic 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 482.87 488.33 Wow, good expression. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 488.33 491.47 Well after us. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 484.69 486.26 Which 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 492.16 496.32 I don't know, speak for yourself, I'm planning to be around for a while. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 493.68 495.23 Although I think 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 496.92 501.61 I think with wood though you'd run into the same types of problems, wouldn't you, I mean it chips,
IS1008c H01 FIE038 501.61 508.07 it if you drop it, uh it's I'm not su 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 506.64 510.54 So so you're not convinced about the the wood, yes. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 508.2 511.73 Actually, I'm ready to sell it. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 511.73 512.72 I'm ready to sell it. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 508.69 511.45 you're what? 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 511.74 517.49 I think if you re if you use really good quality wood, then it might work, but you can't just use 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 512.69 514.09 You think? 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 515.3 520.02 And you could you could sell oils with it, to take care of it. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 520.97 524.36 extremely hard wood, but there are some very pretty woods out there. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 515.75 520.97 No y no no no, the o the only w the only wood you can use are the ones that are hard,
IS1008c H01 FIE038 521.12 522.58 Yeah, exactly, yeah. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 523.59 526.9 Well I'm glad you 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 526.36 527.99 That's actually very innovative idea. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 529.86 534.99 Sorr having a hard time keeping wi control over my face. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 528.34 529.86 Okay, good. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 535.69 541.89 Well, it's actually a very innovative n different idea that uh you know you can choose your colour of wood, your type of wood. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 541.7 542.54 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 542.94 543.51 The stain. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 543.2 551.58 I mean it's each person is gonna have their own personalised, individualised speech recognition remote control in wood, that's not on the market. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 548.26 548.53 Mm. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 552.41 557.88 Yeah, so it it's looks good the the design the functional design uh, what about yo you? 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 558.72 564.08 Um, in terms of comments on this or in terms of my own 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 562.29 566.57 Yes, in t yes, in term in terms of comments first 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 562.47 567.44 In turns of wow. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 567.62 572.97 She works in the cubicle next to me so she's uh she was already a little bit prepared for this. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 572.97 575.73 Luckily Ed was not. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 571.37 572.55 Y yeah. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 574.9 577.84 Wood? 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 577.96 586.98 I think we can get the quality materials then it shouldn't influence the design principles too much, which you'll see with my presentation. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 597.5 603.71 So, have to see how kid-friendly it is and and all that, but 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 586.98 597.5 One thing we'd have to check though is what the users whether how quickly the novelty wears off of having uh Yeah, for example. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 593.37 598.03 Yeah, you wouldn't wanna have to have splinters in your hand while you're using your 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 592.25 593.37 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 602.63 608.86 It's really good if your dog gets ahold of it, they can use it for teething. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 610.38 614.15 They do that anyway with the rubber and plastic, so, and chew 'em up. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 612.51 615.23 Yeah, they do it with other materials as well, yeah. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 615.35 615.89 And chew 'em up. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 616.86 619.87 Okay then, uh, let's move to Agnes. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 619.64 619.84 Sure. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 622.86 623.48 Oh, I'm sorry. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 630.08 631.36 S you're 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 638.9 640.11 You are in participant three. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 639.42 640.42 One point three, yeah. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 642.37 642.95 Uh, yeah. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 643.62 643.84 This one? 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 644.22 645 I think so, yeah. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 656.28 658.33 um, which basically shows 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 658.33 668.25 sort of I took the ideas that we were talking about last time um and tried to put that into the remote control so the things that y you can actually see on it are the on off switch,
IS1008c H01 FIE038 649.8 656.28 'cause I'm actually gonna draw you the layout on the board so if you want to just go straight to the second slide,
IS1008c H01 FIE038 687.85 691.7 so if someone has larger hands, you have a wider remote control. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 646.96 648.26 Yeah, that's the one. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 648.26 649.8 So, it's a very short presentation 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 675.37 681.15 so it's slightly more ergonomic and comfortable to hold than the r standard very straight remote controls. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 668.25 675.37 volume and channel control, the menu access button, ergonomic shape, which I completely agree with Christine's idea to have it sort of molded 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 681.15 687.85 And actually the other thing with the wood if we take your customising idea, is that people can actually do sort of quasi-measurements on their hand size,
IS1008c H02 FIE073 688.16 692.83 Right, my hand is uh different size than yours for example. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 693.44 697.28 So, that's actually a really good idea for customi customisability. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 737.44 741.1 So, in terms of what this thing would actually look like 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 697.28 703.36 Um, one thing I thought might be kind of interesting is to put a flip screen on it, just like you have on flip phones 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 720.38 727.69 so I thought maybe we could put a little battery life-light on it that kind of goes dimmer and dimmer and dimmer as your battery is starts to die. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 703.36 709.16 so that you don't have this case where someone sits on the remote control or accidentally puts their hand on it,
IS1008c H01 FIE038 716.75 720.38 And also um you had issues with the batteries running out 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 709.16 716.75 especially if you have little kids around, they're not pressing the buttons while you're trying to watch a T. V. show and accidentally change the channel or turn it off. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 727.69 737.44 And in terms of invisible features, audio and um tactile feedback on button presses and, like you said, speech recognition. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 715.04 715.98 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 732.99 733.66 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 743.53 748.24 Despite working in interface design, I'm not the greatest artist in the world, so you'll have to forgive me. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 761.18 765.61 And then you have sort of one of those toggle displays for, oops, 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 750.93 756.76 You'd have something like this with an on-off switch fairly big, sort of in the corner and by itself 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 756.76 761.18 so you don't accidentally turn your T. V. off while you're trying to manoeuvre other buttons. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 766.8 771.44 channels and volume, sort of for surfing channels and then volume,
IS1008c H01 FIE038 771.44 777.8 so the volume would be the up and down, 'cause volume goes up and down and then channels left to right. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 777.8 781.73 And then here you'd have your sort of standard, telephonish 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 782.85 783.61 number pad. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 797.08 804.4 So that if the user doesn't want to use their voice, they can just turn it off and you don't have the remote control accidentally changing things on you. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 786.37 797.08 And then on one side you would have an access to the menu on your T. V. and on the other side a way to turn off the voice control. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 798.09 798.52 Mm. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 801.19 801.79 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 805.68 810.12 Um, so again you can have a little L. C. D. light somewhere, the flip 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 811.33 814.14 thing and Have I forgotten anything? 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 822.71 827.75 is keep it simple, not have too many buttons, not have too many functionalities thrown into it. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 827.75 837.46 Think the design can pretty much carry over to everything, although with the wood the flip screen might have to do something slightly different. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 817.41 822.71 So, as you can see, it's a very very simple design, which is one of the things I really wanted to keep,
IS1008c H01 FIE038 816.03 817.41 I don't think so. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 817.52 818.45 No. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 836.6 837.32 A hinge. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 838.26 840.3 Be like a copper hinge or you know. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 846.76 849.33 you don't want it to start getting too heavy. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 859.99 865.69 you can make this thing fairly small or fairly o large, depending on personal preferences. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 854.25 859.99 As you can see, there's still lots of space on the actual remote control and if you do it customisably,
IS1008c H01 FIE038 839.77 840.48 Yeah. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 842.41 846.76 'cause depending on how much the the flip screen will add to the weight of the remote control 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 849.33 854.25 But that's the general layout with the general functionalities, if we come up with something else. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 840.48 842.41 But you also have to d start watching out for the weight 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 845.48 846.03 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 848.51 848.67 Mm. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 863.48 865.18 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 866.73 866.88 Hmm. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 874.11 876.34 Um the centering of the key pad and 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 867.38 874.11 So, that's pretty much all I had to say, I mean, everything else in terms of design issues. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 877.65 886.82 the channel is just depending on where your thumb is and you tend to use the the volume control and uh the browsing more than the actual number pad 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 891.34 893.95 the number pad a little bit lower 'cause it's used less frequently. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 886.82 891.34 so that would be sort of in direct line of where your thumb goes when you are holding the remote control 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 889.91 890.46 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 893.01 893.18 Mm. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 894.01 894.62 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 895.14 901.82 So once we decide exactly what we want, then we can figure out the exact positioning, but more or less I think it should go along those lines. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 904.66 908.24 So what's your, uh, the comments or uh 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 909.14 909.23 s 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 909.67 910.49 Simple design. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 911.95 912.96 It's what consumers want. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 913.25 913.58 Okay 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 914.68 919.29 It's almost like, Houston, we have a product here. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 919.29 921.09 Problem is obviously gonna be cost. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 921.51 921.79 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 923.15 931.79 Okay, I also have a f very simple presentation, because for the marketing point you have to see what the consumers want. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 928.82 929.16 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 930.62 930.8 Yeah. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 932.4 932.54 Yeah. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 933.31 936.15 I also have uh copied a 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 937.95 938.88 different type of remote. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 941.01 942.8 If you can find me, where I'm at. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 946.81 947.5 trend watch. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 944.3 946.81 There should only be one in here. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 953.05 953.6 Sure. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 954.84 957.22 It's being modified. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 957.22 958.33 They're stealing our product. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 959.9 967.55 We've been giving simple questionnaires in different areas because th obviously we have to see what the com consumers are looking for today 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 967.55 970.96 'cause uh trends change very very quickly. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 977.84 980.07 Uh they already erased the rest of mine, huh. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 970.96 977.84 In six months maybe this idea is already gone out the window, so it's gonna be a question how fast we can act. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 980.77 982.67 No, f go to findings. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 981.38 981.61 No, no. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 982.15 983.39 No no, no no. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 995.43 1000.58 fancy and feel-good, that's what we've been looking for, something that feels good in the hand, that's easy to use. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1005.47 1009.28 they all do the same thing, we have to have something completely different. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 987.02 989.23 Uh the market trend. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1009.28 1009.99 Okay? 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 989.23 995.43 This is what we know from the last uh from the questionnaires from the the all the p surveys we've done,
IS1008c H03 MIE085 985.12 987.02 'Cause I had another comment there. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1000.58 1005.47 Looking for next generation of innovation, because all the remotes out there now, they're all very similar,
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1009.99 1017.99 Easy to use, has always has become has become another major interest that uh, with the whiteboard we can see that it's a remote that's easy to use. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1040.63 1047.08 The second one, there is about uh forty-five thousand different buttons on it, which makes it fairly hard to read, uh very hard to use. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1035.33 1040.63 The second two, you can see the last one is a very easy simple design. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1019.42 1025.31 And I think this is another thing that's interesting is the consumers actually willing to pay the price for exciting tel technology. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1047.08 1050.27 The first one, I see that they put in a display. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1025.31 1035.33 So even if we have a product that may be more expensive, if it comes out right, if they look it looks and feels good and has technology. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1051.42 1056.05 Now there's something else uh with the little flip-up, now we're adding all kinds of things in, but with the little flip-up 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1056.05 1060.01 if you have a little display on the flip-up that when you close it everything is locked. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1060.01 1066.01 Maybe the display also makes it easier to use, because sometimes when you're looking for buttons, maybe if you see a display 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1055.25 1055.55 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1059.58 1059.88 Yeah. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1066.83 1073.67 Context-sensitive instructions, depending on what the tel what mode the T. V. or the D. V. D. or something else is in. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1069.25 1069.52 Right. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1069.45 1070.01 Okay 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1076.29 1079.54 Now you have it now you have one with the very simple also. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1072.94 1076.29 Because I've seen mostly the standard ones, yeah. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1079.54 1083.82 The idea is simple, but with a display, so you can see what you're doing. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1083.82 1086.52 So maybe if we can incorporate the easiness of use, 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1073.66 1077.99 Especially you might need something like that for training the speech recognition and yeah. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1081.76 1082.08 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1087.35 1087.64 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1088 1092.81 trendy, fancy, feels good, 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1093.85 1096.07 uh with a display, 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1097.25 1100.75 wood, designer wood, designer colours, we might've 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1116.52 1119.58 and then they would squeeze it, and it would take the shape of their hand. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1100.51 1116.52 maybe what you could do is when somebody orders the device id you could send them like um a uh uh b some sort of a foam rubber um ball,
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1100.36 1100.51 You know 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1115.21 1116.66 Oh yeah. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1119.48 1123.11 Yeah, so it's really molded to to your specific 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1120.96 1129.11 To t an and then you would know like um what the geometry of their hands would be and uh 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1122.54 1122.74 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1131.99 1135.65 Resistance resistance, right. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1129.33 1131.99 How hard they squeeze? 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1130.42 1133.99 Yes you'd know what kind of wood to get. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1136.53 1143.42 But th for that you'd also have to do sort of an average across families and things like that if unless everyone has their own personal remote. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1139.54 1142.67 That's right, that's right, you wouldn't wanna go too far down that. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1143.75 1149.02 Oh that that actually would uh increase the um the revenues we could expect, yeah. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1146.63 1149.39 The sales, yeah. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1147.58 1147.88 The 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1148.26 1148.41 Yeah. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1150.6 1151.04 I hope so. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1151.28 1159.24 No, but incorporating the three uh obviously it'd be something totally new on the market, totally different and from 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1155.94 1156.25 Yeah. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1158.72 1164.27 Well, already the customisability is a really good sort of new gimmick. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1163.32 1169.24 Although, what it was it uh it was uh Nokia that came out with this changeable colours. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1169.24 1176.82 Right, you take it apart, and put on another face, take it off and put on another face and then they sold millions, millions. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1169.03 1170.88 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1169.38 1169.65 Yeah. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1170.82 1171.1 Yeah. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1172.1 1173.23 Right, mm. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1173.49 1175.93 And that took off, yeah, yeah. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1179.25 1183.95 So say with the f with the findings, with the research, easy to use something totally new. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1183.95 1186.56 We have to come up with something totally new that is not on the market. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1177.95 1179.25 So. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1183.83 1184.13 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1186.72 1194.07 We'd also have to wor um consider that uh who we were gonna get to make these custom cases in terms of manufacturing processes 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1194.07 1198.81 we might wanna um learn about um labour laws. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1209.45 1222.15 So actually you could turn it y turn around and say that you're uh par the reason the cost is high for the device is because um you're paying a a working wage to the person who made the device. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1200 1209.45 You know in different countries and stuff wher so we can do it cheap, but you don't wanna exploit uh labour in um third world countries. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1208.96 1209.06 Yeah. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1222.79 1223.07 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1229.83 1236.68 countries like India or China or Malaysia, so you can go a better features and better price and you can sell more. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1223.46 1229.83 Yeah, but we can get a production in, uh, countries like, uh, India yes, yes,
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1228.11 1229.28 Cost of living is low. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1237.71 1238.11 So 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1241.48 1248.97 Good, well th that'd be something that manufacturing would have to um explore more and to where Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1244.59 1245.88 Yeah, yeah, so 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1246.74 1247.05 Mm yeah. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1246.98 1247.33 Yes. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1246.98 1249.45 Where w Where it would be manufactured is is 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1250.44 1250.59 So 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1251.82 1252.97 We're here to design, 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1250.83 1251.82 another step. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1251.64 1252.18 Yeah, so 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1251.75 1251.93 Yeah. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1252.96 1260.11 Yes uh, but uh that that we can that we can talk about the production later, okay, depends on the the quantity, okay. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1260.11 1267.53 So we don't need to have our own uh fabric factory or something, so we can have a tie-up with who the do the fabric, okay,
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1267.53 1275.36 for the different uh electronics items, then we can have a business tie-up and to get to cut the cost, okay, to sell more. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1254.2 1257.23 come up with a nice product. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1255.7 1255.96 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1259.67 1260.15 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1276.72 1283.5 So, but uh le let's decide first about the components concept and uh interface concept,
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1283.5 1288.58 okay, if is acceptable for both of you, what uh Ed was talking. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1290.68 1296.86 And your design whether you want with the display or without display or just a simple, so 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1293.83 1294.14 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1300.81 1309.05 but we need to really think about how useful it's gonna be because theoretically with the T. V. you already have a big display right in front of you. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1298.45 1300.81 I think it depends, I mean I think it's a good idea 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1309.21 1309.31 Yeah. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1309.4 1309.83 Hmm. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1310.24 1316.28 So, if we're trying to keep costs down, then maybe sacrificing the display 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1316.84 1317.26 Hmm. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1318.18 1319.34 is a way to go. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1325.7 1330.48 'cause if it's only used for one little thing, then putting in a big display case or a big display that's 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1319.34 1325.7 I mean it depends on how much putting a display costs and what it would be used for very specifically what it would be used for,
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1322.24 1322.43 Hmm. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1325.01 1325.73 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1331.78 1341.01 probably expensive just to do the training on the chip for the speech recognition or whatever, may not be the most cost-efficient way to go, but 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1342.36 1344.16 that's just sort of speculation, I mean. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1346.04 1351.98 Do you he liked the display in one of the concepts that you showed, um,
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1345.12 1346.04 What do you think Ed? 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1351.98 1357.57 do you know how much it costs, um, to to add a little display like this uh? 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1357.27 1358.18 No. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1358.18 1363.44 No no p spec It's 'cause we have to find out cost on it. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1359.04 1361.04 Do you wanna take an action item to go find out? 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1363.85 1364.3 Okay. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1365.82 1368.18 Sorry about that. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1368.35 1371.56 I'm here for the pushing it after it's made. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1366.66 1368.35 Um, no that's no problem. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1371.56 1374.14 I will market it. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1374.14 1376.11 Once we get a price on it then we can market it. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1371.08 1371.44 Yes. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1379.32 1383.52 So the the advanced chip on print is what um what we've 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1384.76 1391.57 we've deci we've determined and the uh engineering industrial design is the recommendation 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1391.57 1399.09 and um I think we've kinda come to some agreement regarding um this concept of a wooden case. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1399.29 1399.57 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1401.19 1402.72 A customisable and 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1402.83 1405.77 Nice beautiful mahogany red wooden case. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1404.26 1405.97 What about the buttons, would 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1406.71 1408.41 Would the buttons be wood too, or 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1409.2 1416.04 Uh I don't think so, no, I think they could be rubber like they are now, so you have that tactile experience of 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1410.13 1410.89 I don't think so. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1412.29 1412.75 Yes. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1413.29 1413.62 Yes. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1414.19 1415.19 Don't looks nice uh. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1429.76 1430.57 Okay. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1417.59 1420.07 Yeah, so uh what we'll do is, uh 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1420.07 1427.61 we will stick with the the simple design for time being until uh th Ed find outs about the how much it's cost to the extra 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1427.61 1429.76 in case we go for the display. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1438.88 1439.26 Okay? 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1430.57 1438.88 So maybe what you can do is uh, both of you, you can come up with the the prototype, okay, the model. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1429.3 1429.56 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1438.03 1438.37 Okay. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1442.61 1442.88 Sure. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1450.58 1453.38 So um are we done with this meeting? 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1460.5 1466.85 Then they can show you how it looks like, and then we can uh submit to the I will submit to the management. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1466.85 1467.26 Okay? 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1455 1460.5 Yeah, I hope, if is it okay if uh they will come up with the prototype design, okay. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1473.76 1477.01 An and the marketing strategy, that's very important, okay. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1468.49 1473.76 Then meantime you can come up with the price, how much it's cost as extra for uh the display. 
IS1008c H02 FIE073 1473.28 1474.59 And a marketing strategy. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1480.26 1483.78 Fired. 
IS1008c H03 MIE085 1474.73 1480.26 And marketing strategy, thank you. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1478 1478.27 Yes. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1480.12 1480.68 How much you can 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1481.32 1483.2 how mu how much how much you can sell extra. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1484.32 1486.26 Of course you'll make money too, so it 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1487.26 1489.89 it's not only pay-out, you make money too, your commission. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1492.64 1494.05 Okay, so, any questions? 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1496.03 1496.16 No. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1497.17 1504.96 So, by next meeting, so, please come up with the the prototype, okay, then uh, then we can proceed from there. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1505.98 1507.1 Okay. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1507.1 1507.29 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1514.82 1515.35 Okay? 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1506.74 1507.84 It's okay? 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1507.84 1514.82 So thanks for all your uh efforts and coming for the meeting again, and see you soon then. 
IS1008c H00 MIO086 1515.35 1515.6 Thank you. 
IS1008c H01 FIE038 1514.37 1514.62 Okay. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 30.61 31.95 I'm sorry to be late. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 32.96 35.2 Welcome back everybody. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 30.73 32.96 Welcome back. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 36.86 37.03 Yeah. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 38.19 39.28 Thanks. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 41.51 46.05 So this meeting agenda will be the detailed design meeting. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 48 48.81 And uh 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 50.79 59.87 opening and uh P. M. s of the meet minutes, uh prototype presentation from uh Christine and uh Agnes. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 60.46 61.95 Agnes, yes. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 61.56 63.58 Yes and uh evaluation criteria. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 72.88 84.32 So we have forty minutes to discuss and uh finalise and close the product and project and to move further, okay, so 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 71.55 72.88 Then uh closing. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 65.09 71.55 The finance, it's uh from my side, from the management, and uh production evaluation. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 88.92 94.12 Okay, let's talk about uh maybe first uh for the prototype. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 95.81 96.57 Mm, okay. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 96.69 97.63 So I handle to 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 99.25 106.57 I've done a presentation, but it pretty much covers work that we've both done, so if I'm missing anything, Christine can just correct me. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 105 106.56 So shall I go to sorry. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 105.78 109.71 Uh thank you, so you did a PowerPoint presentation, good for you. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 107.43 107.6 Yep. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 108.15 108.49 S 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 109.31 111.91 Okay, let's go to A. M. I. . 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 113.89 117.11 It's not the biggest PowerPoint presentation in the world, but 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 118.38 119.93 So in two or three or 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 119.88 120.06 Three. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 126.15 127.18 Um. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 128.54 131.09 No it's think it's the last one. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 128.69 129.09 Probably. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 130.71 133.05 Technical pa I would think. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 141.22 143.28 Um okay, can I have the mouse? 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 137.04 141.22 It is named appropriately, you just couldn't see the name. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 132.69 137.04 No, then this is the la yeah, that one, final design. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 134.69 134.91 Ha. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 136.76 136.9 Yeah. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 142.79 143.1 Yes. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 145.22 145.66 Thanks. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 147.84 149.02 Alright, so 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 151.38 158.01 from when we were discussing specifying the case in the last meeting, we decided that we wanted an ergonomic shape,
IS1008d H02 FIE038 158.01 164.8 the material that we chose was wood, and uh the colour would be customisable, 'cause you can stain the wood whatever colour. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 178.95 182.51 if we figure out it's too expensive, well then you just take it off. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 174.42 178.95 and we've incorporated the L. C. D. screen on the flip panel as part of the design,
IS1008d H02 FIE038 170.86 174.42 volume and channel control, menu control, voice recognition control 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 165.9 170.86 Um, so in terms of function, you have to be able to turn the T. V. on and off,
IS1008d H02 FIE038 182.51 183.41 Um, so 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 184.43 186.96 to unveil our lovely product. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 190.07 194.88 This is our remote control, with the flip panel as you can see. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 201.35 203.88 Um, this is actually hard to do. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 203.88 207.9 The yellow button you have is the on off button, so it's really big, hard to miss. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 195.54 201.35 So if you lift up the panel, you can see the lovely yellow L. C. D. display. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 218.3 220.36 The green are the channel changing. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 215.12 218.3 So up volume up, down volume down. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 208.39 215.12 You have the the red um triangles are the toggles for changing the volume. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 220.51 223.87 S And it's one of those very light, very touchable displays. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 224.43 234.83 And then you have the numeric pad in the dark blue at the bottom, and on the right-hand side you have the access to the menu on the T. V. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 234.83 242.41 and on the left-hand side you have the the the ability to turn off the voice recognition. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 242.41 245.65 So this is pretty much what we had on the white board the last time. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 247.02 247.11 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 249.77 249.93 So. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 250.42 252.41 Um and uh I could 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 261.85 265.33 So that you can really make this a highly highly customisable remote control. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 253.29 261.85 Additional feature on the back is that you can have your own customised backing and I suppose you could do the same thing on the flip case on the front. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 251.43 253.29 Oh yes. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 253.01 253.48 Yeah the d 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 266.27 273.04 We haven't um uh specified where the speaker or the microphone will be placed. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 273.04 280.11 That depends on the uh s design of the circuit board inside and uh what room is left um 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 279.99 280.24 Yeah. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 281.35 286.27 I think the microphone is on on the top, uh on the middle, the under the flip. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 283.97 284.83 Yes, okay. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 286.72 287.01 Uh-huh. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 288.04 295.34 So that will be the safe, so p any the chip it's not on the chip because you need to have microphone to 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 294.87 297.14 No, I mean it depends on the design of the circuit board. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 297.35 297.69 Yes. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 298.02 305.82 But it shouldn't be under the flip either, because you can have the remote control closed, but you still might want to activate it by voice. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 303.87 305.18 Uh it's it's 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 305.91 312.61 Yeah, but uh uh my opinion I think it's better under the flip because whenever you want to uh the talk,
IS1008d H00 MIO086 315.61 322.17 But if you put it on the on the flip, okay, then uh technical I don't think it's uh feasible 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 312.61 315.61 okay, so then you can speak then you can close it. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 322.17 324.85 'cause most of the time you speak then it will be recognised. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 331.32 336.94 I mean the whole point of the voice is that if the remote control is sitting there and I'm too lazy to reach over and pick it up 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 336.94 338.66 I can just use my voice. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 324.72 328.43 But if you've already got the remote control in your hand you need to open the flip to use the voice,
IS1008d H02 FIE038 328.43 331.32 why use the voice, why not just use your hand? 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 338.28 343.93 Maybe I've got my hand in the popcorn bowl and I'm holding my cup of Coca-Cola in the other hand. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 344.6 344.71 Yeah. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 344.71 348.38 And you don't wanna let go of either one. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 345.49 347.02 I don't wanna say. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 349.9 350.14 Yeah. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 347.02 349.9 Louder. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 350.13 352.93 I mean it doesn't have to be on the flip, it can be on the side somewhere. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 352.21 353.25 Can also be on the side. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 354.25 355.35 So That's good idea. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 352.87 354.25 Yeah, the sides maybe is good. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 353.49 353.9 Yeah. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 354.97 355.41 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 355.22 358.68 So, I mean I can pass this around if anyone wants to 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 357.78 358.8 So it's maybe good idea. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 357.08 357.78 Yes. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 359.32 362.48 Yeah, y better you pass it around with a napkin. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 364.94 370.07 because y you can easily put a microphone on the side that would have no problem would haven't been not be damaged or anything 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 370.07 372.25 and it'd be accessible all the time to voice. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 361.58 364.94 No 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 367.13 367.79 Yeah. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 367.78 368.18 Yes. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 370.33 370.89 Yeah. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 372.45 373.45 Yeah, exactly. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 375.9 376.01 Yeah. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 376.54 377.51 So it's maybe good idea. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 377.58 377.93 S s 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 378.42 379.24 It's um 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 379.99 381.15 Compliments to the artist. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 381.28 382.23 It's um 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 383.19 386.09 You need to work on the weight a little bit. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 385.74 388.22 Yes. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 388.22 394.35 And maybe the shape of the buttons, the little egg shapes aren't the most economical, but 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 385.82 386.81 Uh. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 387.13 388.12 S 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 386.9 387.13 Okay. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 388.15 391.09 I'm fine, I'm satisfi I'm satisfied. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 391.44 394.27 We're glad you're satisfied. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 393.11 398.58 Of course it's it's it's looks more heo heavy, but I think when it's completely maybe it's a less weight. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 400.95 402.32 There's only so much you can do. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 398.9 399.73 Yeah. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 399.73 400.95 I mean this is plasticene. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 402.32 404.69 We could have possibly made it a lot thinner as well. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 401.06 401.43 Yes. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 405.31 406.38 But 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 407.55 411.35 And part of the thing is m a lot of people say that they don't like something that's too light 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 411.35 413.93 because they don't feel like they have enough control over it. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 413.93 420.08 So I mean maybe this is excessively heavy, but I think it needs to have some weight, it needs to feel like you're still holding something. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 413.84 414.22 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 418.09 418.24 Yep. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 422.07 426.89 So that's pretty much it for our presentation actually. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 428.67 431.24 Okay, that's good, thank you very much. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 426.64 428.67 That's your uh prototype model? 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 431.24 432.86 So any comments or uh 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 428.08 428.22 Yeah. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 441 447.24 Now it goes into this next phase as the financial uh marketing uh 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 433.93 441 Well, the prototype is is very well within the design and ideas that we've we've talked about on the previous meetings. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 440.9 440.99 Okay. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 444.48 445.71 Yes, that uh 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 447.2 448.78 So I'll come back to the 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 469.72 474.7 I have some uh calculations which I made uh as for uh the budget. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 463.71 469.72 So evaluation criteria, I think uh that will be good, so then let's come to the finance uh 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 476.39 483.57 So here you can uh look like uh the energy and uh dynamo and uh kinetic and solar cells. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 484.79 491.23 Uh it's optional, somewhat optional and Ed wants the chip on print, that's what uh we were talking about that. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 492.57 501.76 So then we have sample sensor and sample speaker, then uh we have the wood material, then special colour and push button. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 502.87 508.51 So it's uh actually, our budget was uh twelve point five Euro, but uh it's coming to nine point nine five Euro,
IS1008d H00 MIO086 508.51 513.53 so we are under uh below the budget, okay, so still we are saving some money. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 516.3 517.65 I think it's a good figure. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 521.1 522.94 Congratulations. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 517.8 521.1 Yes, great I I'm surprised. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 521.96 522.86 Than thank you. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 522.92 527.44 Well we haven't come to mine yet, so we're gonna have a bit of difference of opinion, yes. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 524.61 525.14 Oh, okay. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 525.14 529.21 It's gonna cost a long way to c you know, cost a lot of money to market it, is it? 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 530.37 536.55 So maybe it's for some money we can utilise for our uh marketing, for the sales, okay, and uh 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 539.48 545.86 Well, it just depends on if we're gonna add a o on this pr 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 547.55 552.04 provisionary cost analysis, we do not have a L. C. display. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 552.04 554.57 L. C. display is gonna be very expensive, it's gonna be 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 556.01 557.38 It's number thirty. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 554.13 556.01 No we do, but it's not filled in. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 557.38 559.65 Oh, yeah, yeah, you're right, sorry, yes. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 556.01 556.73 It's not it doesn't say. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 556.73 563.1 We don't have the price up there, okay, so if we add approximately two to three Euro per 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 557.01 558.05 Yeah. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 558.05 558.28 Yeah. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 556.08 557.01 It's not. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 556.45 556.92 Thirty. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 559.15 559.41 Yeah. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 558.46 559.15 Yeah. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 558.87 558.96 Yeah. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 564.99 574.55 remote, now we're up around about twelve, twelve and a half as to what uh the company had initially uh requested. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 574.55 574.89 Um 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 574.4 576.12 So that means we can put the uh 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 576.32 578.53 Display in. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 578.53 585.75 But as far as production um I'm putting up a question because we're talking about profit also, and in mine you'll see uh 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 576.82 578.11 the L. C. D. in, yeah. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 591.28 596.58 what percentage of the market, etcetera etcetera because that has to be taken in into consideration. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 586.9 591.28 the problem with uh our survey, the p the possibility that how many units can be sold,
IS1008d H03 MIE085 597.71 604.54 Uh this is just production cost, it is not uh advertising cost, it's not transportation cost uh 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 605.66 607.96 Yes, so still uh we have twelve point five Euro. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 606.91 614.66 And that will inflate quite a bit the cost of the uh the cost of the unit for the company. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 614.66 621.16 So to come up with what the company wants is a fifty million Pound profit, we're gonna have to go a long ways. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 609.4 609.95 Yes. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 611.73 612.08 Yeah, but 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 613.04 614 Yes. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 614 614.12 Yep. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 614.14 614.41 Um-hmm. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 621.5 628 This we are talking about one unit, okay, so when it go into the quantity, okay, and the cost will come down. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 621 621.5 Yes. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 623.09 623.94 Yes. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 629.62 636.47 Although customisation, because this is being done, you know, the on on-order basis 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 636.47 642.04 it might be uh the the quantity won't m won't uh the circuit board will b you're right,
IS1008d H01 FIE073 642.04 647.24 would be in producing quantity, but the cost of the case would uh be fixed at the 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 629.9 630.41 Slightly. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 636.08 636.25 Yeah. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 636.45 638.78 It's gonna be very hard to reduce. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 637.98 638.75 Yes. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 648.52 653.15 Uh you got some pretty cheap labour that can do this case for one Euro. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 653.15 657.29 That's really that's the cost of the material and lab wow, that's really outstanding. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 652.3 654.9 That's not bad. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 654.57 654.71 Yep. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 655.73 655.91 Yeah. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 679.72 684.73 I will speak to the management and how to get uh you know some more uh cost down. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 665.6 669.76 okay, to get uh the production cost less, okay,
IS1008d H00 MIO086 659.74 665.6 But anyhow, still we are under control, okay, so what uh I will do is I will try to negotiate with the vendors,
IS1008d H00 MIO086 669.76 675.78 so then we can save some money, okay, to put into th our marketing or uh you know the promotions,
IS1008d H00 MIO086 675.78 679.72 whatever, okay, so that uh I will look after. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 690.04 692.41 If we can go to to my display. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 693.58 697.9 And we'll come back to yours just to give everybody an idea of the market. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 695.13 695.42 Yes. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 701.51 705.38 So now I'm gonna scare everybody out of this project. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 708.44 711.86 If I'm still here. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 711.86 712.08 Yep. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 710.92 711.68 You're in four? 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 713.49 717.3 The four gives me it's gotta be uh TrendWatch. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 715.83 716.56 TrendWatch. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 717.46 719.1 Is this the same one you did before? 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 719.92 720.11 No. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 721.09 721.49 Okay. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 725.02 726.76 No, no we g no, that's the same one. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 722.59 725.02 It shouldn't be if it's not it's not the right one. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 726.76 728.09 You have to go back and find another one. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 723.21 726.28 That's no, I think it's the same one. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 733.83 735.33 Whatever name it popped up under. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 736.95 741.15 Uh functional, try functional, it might not be it either, but we'll see. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 737.08 737.97 Functional. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 742.47 743.78 It looks like it, there's 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 759.19 764.97 Our internal company evaluation puts it between eight to nine million which is approximately the same as the independent study. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 758.01 759.19 Okay? 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 747.33 758.01 Although since uh we need to have some type of idea on a market uh we had independent study that says it this this market has an availability to absorb eight mi eight million units per year. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 744.55 745.38 Yep, that's it. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 745.38 747.33 So we'll go screen by screen. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 745.03 745.37 S Yeah. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 746.49 746.76 Okay. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 765.48 766.27 Yep. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 769.76 770.43 Next screen. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 766.11 769.76 So if we continue, we'll look at the findings. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 780.11 781.44 which is actually a tremendous amount. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 773.12 780.11 Which means that uh if we have a target of two million would the company has to take twenty five percent of the market in the first year 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 779.68 779.96 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 781.44 782.74 Yeah, no kidding. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 783 783.83 No kidding, yeah. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 784.11 786.12 Mayb maybe they already expected something. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 801.57 808.17 transport for the material to the stores or whatever how however we're gonna break this down between our our retailers. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 792.96 796.97 okay, we're already in that that price, okay, with transport,
IS1008d H03 MIE085 796.97 801.57 promotion, labour, because we hav gi included the promotion in the cost 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 785.64 792.96 So, if we put an inflated price of fifty Euro at a production cost that cannot exceed twenty-five Euro,
IS1008d H00 MIO086 794.95 795.42 Yes. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 801.46 801.68 Um-hmm. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 812.22 819.1 At two million units, we have to have a profit of twenty-five Euro per unit to get to the fifty million unit Eu Euro profit. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 808.96 812.22 Twenty-five percent of the market to get to two million units. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 819.1 819.6 Okay? 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 817 817.47 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 818.65 818.82 Yep. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 821.08 825.46 So, obviously we w w I just did a run down the evaluation of the form,
IS1008d H03 MIE085 832.58 839.47 Now, the company must evaluate the feasibility of being able to take enough of the market to justify in production. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 825.46 832.58 the fan uh the fancy stylishness of the of the unit, the ease of use, speech recognition, cost, we've gone through these. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 848.95 851.38 So, now we have to come up with a decision. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 853.68 856.22 Can it sell it for fifty Euros? 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 851.38 853.68 Can the company sell two million units? 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 845.42 848.95 maybe there's no more interest in buying this thing in eighteen months from now. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 840.59 845.42 Or we project this over two years, but being that the market changes very very quickly 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 845.45 845.79 Yes. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 848.33 848.49 Yep. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 849.42 850.21 Of course. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 849.59 849.84 Mm. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 853.4 853.55 Yep. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 886.21 891.16 but you don't have the transport to the uh point of sale. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 858.64 880.12 Uh uh um I would uh like to explore the possibility of using um alternative um delivery and sales channel which would be um to use the internet for promotion and ordering and then to drop-ship the p product to the customer's residence. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 891.16 893.22 The point of sale is online. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 855.18 858.64 Could could I go to findings? 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 880.12 886.21 That way you have no storage, you have no um you do have transportation, still have the labour cost 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 855.81 856.14 Yep. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 872.4 874.55 I was thinking the same thing, yeah. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 872.86 873.29 Yes. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 878.72 879.41 Directly. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 884.57 884.88 Um-hmm. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 890.85 891.27 Yes. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 891.14 891.44 Yeah. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 892.39 893.27 To the agents. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 894.5 901.12 You can do a shipping centre somewhere, or strategically place shipping centres to minimise distance costs. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 894.08 894.5 Yeah. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 900.18 903.08 In fact, we should sell through Amazon, don't you think? 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 898.53 900.18 Right, like Amazon. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 903.08 904.12 Or eBay, yeah. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 900.73 901.09 Yes. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 902.19 903.09 Or eBay, or 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 903.82 904.34 Yes. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 904.18 904.46 Yeah. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 907.13 909.98 Going with um 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 906.38 907.13 There's an idea. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 907.28 908.19 Yeah, that's a good idea. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 909.54 911.16 To impro more profit and uh 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 914.46 914.7 Well. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 910.53 914.46 S Upscale technology. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 911.68 912.5 Yeah, yes. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 912.58 917.31 Ah, we we're do you know, selling a unique product uh. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 929.21 934.16 whereas if you're in a store, you can't unless you're a highly imaginative person 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 934.16 937.1 you may not really know what it is you want,
IS1008d H02 FIE038 937.1 940.43 whereas on the web, if you have a bunch of pictures, it can sort of trigger ideas and 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 924.79 929.21 see maybe what other people have done, what the range of possibility as,
IS1008d H02 FIE038 918.6 924.79 That actually makes more sense if we're gonna make it so highly customisable, 'cause on the web people can look at the different options they have,
IS1008d H01 FIE073 927.6 928.29 Mm. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 928.5 930.25 There are several companies that have gone that way. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 931.1 931.44 Mm. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 938.3 938.59 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 940.81 948.94 And you can even have an a movie that you can rotate the object and look at the di the only thing that you're missing really is the weight. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 945.94 946.27 Yeah. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 948.25 949.4 The weight and feel. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 948.66 951.18 Weight, the feel of the product, but 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 950.11 950.36 Mm. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 950.24 950.47 Yeah. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 951.59 952.58 We're getting used to that. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 952.58 954.93 It's not quite like trying on a shoe, but 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 956.6 960.96 people are getting used to buying things online that they can't touch before buying. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 956.77 957.11 Yeah. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 960.04 960.27 Yeah. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 960.34 962.87 There are several that have gone through with the watches, too. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 962.87 968.42 You can customise a watch, you can see how it is at the f at the end of the production, you can change it uh 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 965.48 966.03 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 965.73 967.43 Uh-huh. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 968.73 970.94 There's a lot of online that's that is doing this now. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 970.19 970.62 Yes. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 979.22 985.45 which could you know, feasibili feasibility uh lower the price of the unit. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 971.23 976.1 And when you're rotating, you'll look behind and look this way uh it's possible to do with this 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 976.1 979.22 maybe there's a possibility of selling more than two million units in one year,
IS1008d H00 MIO086 979.29 979.49 Yeah. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 985.3 985.56 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 987.8 988.24 We can. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 988.58 988.89 Great. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 989.94 995.58 I don't think that's uh not possible, it's uh okay then, l uh let's wait for the production, okay,
IS1008d H00 MIO086 995.58 1001.92 then uh you can evaluate the product, so how it looks like technically and uh how it look like uh the real. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1002.72 1004.43 What turnaround time do we have? 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1004.81 1004.95 T 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1006.13 1010.26 'Cause I mean production evaluation can be very very quick or very very long. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1007.88 1008.31 Oh but 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1009.91 1011.75 Yes it's it's very quick, of course. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1011.75 1016.81 It will uh come back in two weeks, okay, it will be ready in two weeks. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1016.81 1018 For evaluation, okay. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1016.25 1016.96 Works for me. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1019.96 1021.85 Prototypes, you mean. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1021.85 1022.99 In um 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1021.51 1024.02 Yes, the prototype uh prototype product evaluation. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1024.09 1031.5 We probably should do some market tests uh once we have the prototypes and do some orders and things like that and test-market it. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1026.07 1026.6 Yes. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1027.49 1028.38 Well, obviously. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1029.53 1029.96 Yes. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1027.88 1029.53 Yes. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1028.66 1028.94 Yeah. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1031.58 1036.12 Mm that'd have to be thrown out on the market for people to get an idea, to see get get their 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1031.79 1031.88 Yeah. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1034.39 1037.23 So you can take a minimum two weeks to a maximum four weeks. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1035.08 1035.48 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1037.25 1046.72 Think minimum two weeks if we're gonna develop prototypes and then try to take them to different places and see how people use it's not a trivial task. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1038.08 1038.28 Yeah. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1046.44 1053.32 Yeah, because we we are not going to do it in uh our factory, okay, so we can give it a product evalua Yes, yes. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1049.92 1050.79 No no. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1050.79 1053.04 We definitely shouldn't do it in our factory. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1054.21 1058.88 So we'll do it in the other place, and I don't think it's take more than four weeks time. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1061.53 1062.09 Or uh 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1064.03 1069.07 Okay, so then the real production we will start once we product evaluation, okay,
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1069.07 1079.32 then uh it's approve from uh the technical team and uh your team, okay, uh from the management, then we can launch in the market. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1081.75 1081.9 Hm? 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1082.2 1083.4 Any outstanding? 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1083.73 1088.95 S Any any other uh questions or uh comments to be discuss? 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1091.53 1093.06 No, I'm go ahead. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1091.58 1092.06 What ab 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1092.25 1093.86 I think we pretty much covered everything. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1094.08 1095.56 Okay, so then uh 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1094.96 1095.89 Did you have something? 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1105.04 1106.91 this is bad, we want this done differently. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1095.56 1105.04 Well I was just wondering about if we're gonna do a product evaluation then what about time for redesign if the users come back and tell us no this is bad,
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1111.45 1116.2 Let's proceed with this model, okay, for the for the marketing direction, okay. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1116.2 1121.4 So no more changes will be made, okay, in this the basic design. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1109 1111.45 Okay uh, let's take like this. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1123.32 1131.57 So we will introduce m this model and uh let's introduce in the market and let's take the feedback from the customers, then we can uh go for the 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1122.55 1123.32 Okay? 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1132.24 1133.27 Second generation. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1132.77 1133.8 second generation. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1138.32 1139.47 Every every custom 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1134.89 1135.78 Okay. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1135.78 1138.32 There's no end, there's not limit. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1137.72 1144.61 The problem is there might not be a second generation if the first generation flops for some silly reason that we haven't thought of. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1140.52 1141.36 Well, then it may not be. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1142.71 1142.84 Okay. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1143.06 1150.65 Well, every customer, okay, they have their own ideas, they have their own test, okay, so there's no end, there's no limit. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1144.27 1147.14 Like people don't like wood. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1152.82 1153.07 No 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1153.07 1165.53 but there's a difference between releasing a product that has been minimally tested and fine-tuned to suit a general range of requirements versus releasing a product that we think will work but we don't really have anything to back it up. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1164.3 1165.71 very specific. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1165.88 1170.54 Yeah, so that's the reason you are here for uh the design, okay, I hope you made a good design. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1172 1176.21 I mean the whole point of user evaluation is to see what real people need. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1176.21 1181.56 We have our own motivations in mind, we have our own ideas in mind, but that doesn't mean that that's what's gonna sell. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1169.61 1172 Yes, but I'm not everybody. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1188.04 1192.64 like uh you can eat uh you can all eat more chi I can eat more chilli, okay,
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1192.64 1197.97 so i it's a depends on the individual taste, you know, so we have we have to balance somewhere. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1181.52 1188.04 Yeah, but uh see, we ought to take a few considerations, okay, one is the price consideration, one is future consideration, okay,
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1199.57 1209.32 I'm just trying to point out that I think that your evaluation and redesign turnaround time is too short well you have no redesign not you personally 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1209.32 1213.55 but in the project we have no redesign time and 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1198.93 1199.57 Yeah, of course. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1209.68 1209.95 Yes. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1210.32 1213.05 Our project doesn't um 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1211.01 1211.09 Yeah. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1214.33 1221.04 Ed, d do you know what season of the year or time of the year is the most important for T. V. remote control sales? 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1221 1221.22 Hmm. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1222.58 1225.68 Would it be the Christmas season by any chance? 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1225.68 1227.18 Sports season. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1224.69 1225.63 The sports time. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1230.56 1232.02 World soccer. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1228.03 1230.56 Right before the Eur the World Cup. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1232.02 1238.38 World Cup soccer, they need those things that they have their hands g occupied and they need to be able to talk to the con remote control. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1228.46 1229.6 Which sport season? 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1230.27 1230.88 Football. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1230.83 1232.43 So so 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1230.92 1231.66 Yeah. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1233.7 1234.39 Football. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1234.47 1235.89 maybe what 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1247.78 1253.53 And and then um so that gives us a little more time perhaps then we anticipated,
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1253.53 1257.77 because I don't know when the World Cup is, but I'm sure there's gonna be one. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1238.61 1247.78 So I think what we need to do is perhaps to synchronise the final the the launch of a user-tested device with some special event. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1244.74 1245.07 Yes. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1247.31 1247.59 Yes. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1247.43 1248.53 Yeah, that's a good idea. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1257.05 1258.99 Or any major sports. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1269.63 1284.96 I'm just ig uh pointing out a uh a strategy to uh do some additional user testing pri and then to launch um at a a major sports event or uh perhaps to uh also 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1265.33 1269.63 I think that might be a little too aggressive um, but, so 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1259.29 1261.31 Or another m major sports event. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1261.31 1265.33 Probably not the um the football games coming up the end of January. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1267.11 1267.35 Yes. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1267.3 1267.52 Yeah. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1277.08 1277.59 Research. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1277.25 1277.5 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1282.2 1282.47 Yep. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1283.75 1286.17 That's actually good place to advertise it too. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1298.86 1303.97 so we could maybe work out a campaign with uh with Sony Pictures for example. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1288.24 1298.86 There might be some motion pictures that are coming out um that are coming out on D. V. D. that uh they need to have a m special remote control to work with it 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1303.97 1308.22 Maybe some management has got uh relationships there we can leverage. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1286.56 1288.24 And to work with motion pictures. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1287.43 1287.74 Yeah. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1303.16 1303.58 Yes. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1304.18 1304.45 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1308.23 1312.38 Yes, the that of course uh I will convince the management to do that, okay. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1312.24 1315.55 That's great. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1316.81 1319.96 It's just something to to keep in mind, 'cause it's really really important. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1319.96 1324.68 A lot of products have gone out there without being properly user-tested and completely flopped 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1324.68 1330.33 when in fact it gets re-released a few years down the line with proper testing and it takes off like crazy. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1319.05 1321.07 Sure, sure, yes. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1363.63 1367.17 you're right, timing is very important, but I think we've got a good product. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1330.84 1334.16 Disposable diapers is an example of that in fact. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1334.16 1342.81 Yes, it is one of the first consumer products that was launched about thirty years that was a disposable consumer product 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1357.85 1363.63 paper cups and napki y all kinds of things that they hadn't um so,
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1349.94 1357.85 'cause it wasn't uh but then when they re-launched them thirty years later, they were virtually the same design, but people had gotten the throw-away, you know 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1342.81 1349.94 and uh people the market hadn't really gotten on to the concept that you could use something and then throw it away,
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1333.05 1334.7 Really? 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1334.7 1335.81 That I didn't know. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1349.82 1350.14 Mm-hmm. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1363.27 1363.57 Yeah. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1365.43 1365.58 Yeah. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1367.54 1367.67 Yeah. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1374.33 1374.73 Yes. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1369.01 1374.33 I think he can promote the the brand value and the product value. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1367.66 1369.01 That's the reason Ed is here. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1369.09 1369.69 That's right. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1373.23 1376.12 It's gonna be very important to the company. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1377.59 1380.4 We are behind the scene and he is the front screen, so. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1380.53 1380.67 Yep. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1381.69 1385.76 Yeah, I'm the one who takes the heat. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1385.76 1387.69 If it's a flop, it's the marketer. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1382.15 1383.12 He's on the big screen. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1382.91 1384.77 Exactly. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1384.32 1385.89 Good luck, Ed. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1388.46 1394.93 You look very relaxed, considering h you know, the uh the weight on your shoulders, yeah. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1388.54 1392.07 Yes. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1392.07 1392.87 Yes. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1392.87 1394.95 Stress. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1396.42 1405.09 Okay, so then uh let's come to the closing and uh are the costs within the budget and uh is the product evaluated,
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1405.09 1407.98 okay, so that will uh come soon. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1409.86 1418.63 so thanks for all your efforts and great work and uh great design and uh let's leave it to the Ed for later for once production is 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1407.98 1409.86 Okay for uh but our time being 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1399.85 1400.78 Celebration. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1419.51 1422.47 over and the meantime let's celebrate. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1422.47 1426.37 So let's meet up uh this evening to hang up for some party. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1430.86 1431.89 Nice working with you. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1430.13 1430.86 Thank you. 
IS1008d H01 FIE073 1429.08 1430.13 Sounds good. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1429.92 1430.18 'S good. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1429.99 1430.9 Very good. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1430.02 1430.33 Okay. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1431.99 1436.47 Thank you very much. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1436.47 1437.42 Bye-bye. 
IS1008d H03 MIE085 1437.42 1440.42 Yep, okay, see you later on. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1433 1434.12 Thank you. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1434.12 1435.16 Thank you again for all. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1434.11 1434.43 Thanks. 
IS1008d H02 FIE038 1435.69 1438.57 Bye. 
IS1008d H00 MIO086 1436.39 1437.72 And see you in the evening for drinks. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 57.69 60.85 Uh I think the first thing we do is introduce ourselves 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 54.95 55.86 Okay. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 55.86 57.69 Everybody ready? 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 55.7 56.03 Okay. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 56.9 57.04 Yeah. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 57.25 57.7 I think so. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 61.54 62.57 Yeah, that's a good plan. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 62 65.47 and everybody's name and what your function is? 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 65.47 67.29 So maybe we start with you? 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 67.39 69.09 Yeah, my name is Francina. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 76.61 80.83 And my role is to design uh a television remote control. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 66.63 67.39 Okay. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 69.09 76.61 And I'm uh an user interface my role is uh the main responsibility is user interface. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 76.08 76.43 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 81.04 81.69 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 81.69 82.05 Okay. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 83.39 85.33 And I'm a marketing person. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 85.33 86.94 I wanna figure out how to sell them. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 87.49 87.98 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 87.98 88.59 And your name is? 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 88.82 89.69 My name is Eileen. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 90.21 90.52 Okay. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 91.31 91.85 Yeah. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 92.69 107.4 Um uh my role is industrial designer and my responsibilities are uh uh um deal with the technical-functional designs and specifications of user interface and dealing with user interface design. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 91.85 92.69 Uh I'm Jeanne-Oui. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 113.07 118.17 So why don't we look at the presentation to see what we really are supposed to do. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 108.51 110.71 And as you already know I am Betty. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 110.71 113.07 I am the project manager for today. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 107.88 108.51 Very good. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 118.75 119.91 Um. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 118.76 119.05 Okay. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 126.11 132.38 the tools are, I think, we already I guess the tool is really our the computer, as far as I can see. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 121.34 126.11 Yes y opening, acquaintance, tool training well,
IS1009a H03 FIO089 131.13 131.49 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 140.97 146.16 Um, I don't think we have any great discussion at this point. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 132.87 138.04 Uh we get ins each of us will get instructions and we'll take it from there. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 146.16 146.77 Um. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 138.04 140.97 Project plan, that falls under the same heading pretty much. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 145.55 145.79 No. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 151.68 157.54 This thing we are gonna um uh design is a new remote control. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 149.44 151.68 Here is what this thing should be. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 157.54 162.32 Uh should be original, trendy, and, of course, user friendly. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 159.51 159.78 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 165.19 166.99 So maybe you wanna make some notes of that. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 188.06 188.34 Okay. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 195.04 195.27 Okay? 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 195.56 195.82 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 197.44 201.64 Here is what the functional design is supposed to achieve. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 196.38 197.44 All right. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 201.64 202.4 Um. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 211.57 218.2 The same goes for the conceptual design, there will be individual work whic and then discussion afterwards. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 203.78 211.57 That is it's gonna be individual work and then at the meeting we'll discuss what uh we have come up with. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 219.44 222.12 Detailed design, same thing basically. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 220.46 221.55 Mm 'kay so 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 222.76 226.45 Three different types of design that we're gonna be concerned with okay. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 226.94 227.27 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 225.98 226.94 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 236.11 238.38 Functional, conception 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 241.01 242.5 and detailed. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 243.94 245.45 I can't write with this thing. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 248.12 251.04 Maybe we should redesign it. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 249.48 252.7 Yes. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 252.79 254.69 After we've finished the remote control we'll get to that. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 254.68 257.36 Yeah, okay. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 257.36 257.74 All right? 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 264.7 268.72 Does anybody want to go and see how the white board works? 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 260.02 264.7 Then, tool training try out the white board, participant can draw their favourite animal. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 268.72 272.52 So that in case we have to, in the next meeting, present something on the white board. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 274.68 276.12 You wanna go Eileen and 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 276.23 278.52 Okay, I'll see what I can do. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 278.52 278.89 See if I r 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 277.58 279.86 Whether you without hanging yourself. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 280.08 285.51 See if I remember how to draw a kitty cat or a rabbit or something. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 290.82 291.14 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 288.1 290.82 And remember you have to press so it works. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 292.19 297.75 Um uh um traditional kitty cat. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 290.06 292.19 So that it will record okay. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 307.52 310.64 Fat, a fat cat. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 318.12 318.45 Okay. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 307.98 315.73 I've a very fat cat. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 315.73 318.12 And it likes to sit like that. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 317.63 318.04 Okay. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 320.52 322.58 And you're Francine, right? 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 322.58 327.5 Would you like s like just to see um how it feels, so that you have a little idea? 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 322.23 324.16 Yes, I'm Francina. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 324.16 325.08 Yes, sure. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 328.77 332.82 Am I supposed to wipe off that or okay. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 329.04 329.43 In 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 330.83 331.53 No, that's okay. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 330.22 330.83 No, no. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 331.58 333.36 No, Okay. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 333.57 335.49 I don't know, we'll get to that later. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 336.02 336.43 Okay. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 337.47 339.63 What should I draw? 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 347.07 348.31 Snake. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 347.99 349.78 I'm going to draw a snake. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 355.86 358.95 How does it look like? 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 359.98 360.45 Okay. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 355.92 359.98 Okay. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 357.32 358.06 Uh, okay. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 359.99 364.82 I hope the kitty cat is hungry 'cause I don't like snakes. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 367.25 372.72 Here's the project finance uh which, of course, we all have to think about when we design this thing. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 372.72 375.93 Um selling price is supposed to be twenty five Euro. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 377.25 386.09 Uh profit aim for the company is fifty million Euro, the market range unlimited meaning international 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 377.48 377.93 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 386.53 387.02 Okay. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 387.4 393.64 and the production cost should not exceed hopefully should be less than twelve fifty Euro. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 395.23 398.51 Mm 'kay that should keep everybody on their toes and challenged. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 398.76 399.29 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 400.24 400.93 Profit. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 402.86 406.48 Um is fifty mm. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 403.81 412.67 So these are all things, of course, to remember with the budget and when you design to materials, cost, etcetera. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 419.16 427.58 Now, uh the discussion I guess is um does anyone of you have experience with remote control? 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 420.14 420.46 Oops. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 428.69 431.19 Yeah, of course, using remote control. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 431.19 431.54 Yeah. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 433.24 434.99 And um 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 428.95 433.24 I exp I s 'cause we we use 'em we use 'em, right, everyday. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 429.73 430.1 Yes. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 436.56 443.99 now having used a remote control for years does anybody already have like an idea like things you didn't like with it,
IS1009a H00 FIE088 443.99 449.23 things you would like to change, things you would like to improve with this thing ye any first ideas? 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 450.37 460.58 Would you like it to be smaller, bigger, have more have more buttons on it or maybe clearly better marked buttons, you know, things like that? 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 451.06 451.37 Uh. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 453.94 454.42 Yeah, I 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 461.37 461.8 Yeah. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 459.86 461.37 Yeah. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 472.76 479.14 Like uh the remote control which we use for T. V., it shou uh it should be used f uh for some other purpose also,
IS1009a H01 FIO087 465.71 469.79 Yeah, those which we get here nowadays it's very long. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 469.79 472.76 And um and it should have multi-purpose. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 479.14 486.73 like controlling the uh temperature inside the house or for air-conditioners, or for heating system. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 461.46 465.71 Yes, I I feel that all the remote should be very compact. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 466.21 466.45 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 465.15 466.21 Small, right. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 469.29 469.68 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 481.37 482.62 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 483.66 484.34 Okay. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 481.7 482.73 Audio player. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 482.73 483.66 Oh. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 486.72 495.26 So it should be a multi-functional uh gadget that would um control all your household uh uh machines basically. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 488.48 489.46 Yes, exactly 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 489.97 490.4 Yes. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 490.4 490.46 Hmm. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 492.57 492.92 Yes. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 492.78 495.24 Divides us Yeah. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 495.24 495.51 Yeah. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 494.72 495.04 Yeah. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 495.04 495.68 Exactly. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 496.14 502.76 At um twelve fifty Euros per 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 502.77 503.46 Well. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 503.78 506.75 Well who knows if we get a really good designer maybe we can do that. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 506.18 506.79 Yeah. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 507.8 513.57 We certainly can try to I agree with her that to market something successfully it should do some more things. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 518.12 521.07 Now, of course, the other thing to think there is maybe the design. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 513.11 518.12 It should be something new it should be s it it should do something different than than just what we have. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 517.36 517.76 That's right. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 517.79 518.74 Yeah, of course. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 518.13 518.5 Yeah. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 523.26 525.44 All the almost all the remotes 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 521.05 523.26 Yeah, design should be, yeah it should be different. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 528.29 533.45 Maybe it should different colours or materials or you know. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 524.22 528.29 Like trendy no like f for earlier we saw maybe it should be something trendy you know. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 533.45 538.73 Um so yeah shapes right, you know, like kidney shape feels better in your hand or something, you know. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 532.65 533.04 Yeah. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 527.83 532.65 Yeah, maybe ten I do yeah, colours and al shapes also. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 527.9 528.82 Yes, exactly. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 530.67 532.46 Are different shapes. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 532.46 532.69 Yes. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 537.03 537.48 Yes. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 538.09 539.24 Yeah of course yeah. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 538.53 542.32 Yeah okay, friendly shape, that would help. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 550.25 551.13 They can't find it. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 542.32 550.25 I think another thing that would help is um if it beeps when you clap, because I think one of the big things that happens is people lose them. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 539.97 540.33 Yeah. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 544.12 544.57 Yes. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 558.27 565.64 And and they suddenly the phone rings and they want to turn the T. V. off and they say, where the hell is my my remote control yeah? 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 551.23 558.27 That is true, because they put a newspaper or they put it behind a plant or, we you know, whatever. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 555.67 556.72 Yeah. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 558.16 558.63 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 566.02 567.12 So some 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 574.71 575.93 So if lost 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 573.17 573.73 Yeah. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 566.14 573.17 Well or yeah or if it's really, if it's really in a dark spot that it gives out a a sound or a signal. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 573.73 574.71 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 572.01 574.72 Yeah, some beep or something like that, so that we can go 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 572.64 576.76 Uh so, so it's really the beep or, or a light should blink. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 573.12 573.25 Or a b 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 576.74 581.45 If lost uh signal with b throw signal, you know. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 577.04 577.78 Should ha 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 577.05 577.37 Yeah. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 578.58 580.16 A fluorescent signal, yeah. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 580.39 580.91 Mm 'kay. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 585.88 586.34 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 581.48 585.88 Yeah, maybe it should have a light so that we can, we can just recognise where it is. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 585.67 587.9 Exactly, I mean just that's what I'm saying. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 587.9 592.6 I'm just saying throw signal meaning just whether it's a beep or whether a light or 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 587 587.95 May not be beep. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 590.86 593.03 Beep or uh it's a light, maybe it's a light. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 592.25 605.71 And do you think a good c c um clue for that is that it would respond to a clap or it would respond to your voice or it would respond what what should you have to do to make it beep or blink? 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 630.03 634.76 it ge has a sensor and it gives out a signal whether that be a light signal or a beep,
IS1009a H00 FIE088 625.75 630.03 In in that moment it has a sensor, i it it gets a certain darkness 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 605.67 609.57 Okay, my my idea is maybe that the minute it's really hidden,
IS1009a H00 FIE088 620.32 625.75 at that moment it's it's like, it's like um, what you call it a light s sensors, you know? 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 609.57 616.46 in in other words if it's like in a dark spot, uh meaning you know like a newspaper is on top 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 634.76 637.21 I mean, that we can discuss that later, you know. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 616.46 620.32 a sweater is on top or it it's behind a plant,
IS1009a H03 FIO089 613.29 613.69 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 617.96 618.26 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 625.54 626.23 Okay so 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 627.79 628 Yes. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 628.29 628.66 Okay. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 634.3 637.63 Yeah, probably yeah, probably it's a yeah, yeah. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 638.22 638.66 Yeah. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 638.66 639.18 And uh 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 639.09 641.25 So the light sensor would activate the signal. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 650.78 658.48 Uh I know there are the lamps and stuff, you know, you can clap on and off, but I think they only work to certain degree and 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 642.24 650.78 You know there would be right you have to have some kind of sensor and I I think uh voice or clapping it's not specific enough. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 641.29 642.24 That's right. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 641.8 642.12 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 652.91 653.24 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 653.7 654.09 Yes. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 658.19 661.77 But it could be someplace really obvious and you still wouldn't be able to find it. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 663.98 665.28 Yeah, of course, that didn't 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 664.08 664.8 What with 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 666.89 667.93 Because people are silly. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 665.22 666.89 Well, because you're s because you're silly. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 665.4 666.38 Then, in that case 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 666.11 667.15 I i we can't do it. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 667.7 671.59 Oh yeah well, but then those people we can't help everybody. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 677.77 679.99 you know, well maybe we have to move along, okay. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 668.66 677.77 I mean it could be on well, i if it were like on top of your bookcase and you usually kept it on the coffee table um,
IS1009a H00 FIE088 678.08 683.95 Okay we have uh yeah, we have to move along, but I think we have some good good points to start with here. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 682.07 683.11 Yeah, good point. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 695.45 701.63 The working design, I guess that's the function I. D. uh who is this? 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 688.49 692.12 I think you all did you get uh notices on your computer for this? 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 701.63 703.98 The industrial designer That's you. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 685.84 688.49 Okay, the next meeting will be in thirty minutes. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 692.12 695.45 Okay so well, you got the notice um uh. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 691.65 692.33 Me yeah. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 693.82 693.97 Yes. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 702.97 703.28 Yeah. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 704.61 707.73 Yeah, it's functional de yeah, exactly, technical. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 706.82 707.46 Okay. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 707.46 711.13 So, we looking for a working design when we come back. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 710.26 710.7 Yeah. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 711.71 715.68 Uh working design, yeah, it's it's uh mainly technical-functional design. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 714.21 714.54 Then 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 735.94 738.24 And, of course, price. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 741.69 744.65 I mean, the price is given, but, that was 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 734.3 735.94 That would be your idea. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 720.11 724.39 So you have a working design and then a functional design. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 724.39 734.3 And the marketing manager is coming up with some user requirement specification, like friendliness, and what we just discussed in general. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 715.72 720.11 And then the technical funct you are the technical function, so so you are the working design. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 738.24 741.69 That it, that it, that the price is a good price. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 717.25 718.75 Yeah, functional design, and you 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 720.41 720.78 Okay. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 741.37 741.7 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 745.25 749.86 We have to justify that price by having sufficient features to make it sell at that price. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 746.33 746.79 That's right. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 749.44 750.08 That's right. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 757.84 758 Yeah. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 751.38 756.1 And, you know, specifi you you will get specific um instructions for that. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 756.1 757.84 I think that's the end of the show. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 770.87 773.57 Um any questions at this point? 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 773.57 775.95 Or uh suggestions? 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 764.72 770.87 So um we have well, we have a twen two two two three minutes. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 777.27 777.82 Mm. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 777.8 787.16 I think basically basically you will get instructions to work with and if you have any questions uh, uh I guess, you can uh 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 782.9 783.2 Okay. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 784.26 784.46 Yeah. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 787.58 791.63 Okay, I think I have enough to think about 'til our next meeting. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 791.63 792.83 How about you people? 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 792.83 793.39 Really? 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 793.39 793.93 Okay. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 790.95 791.28 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 792.6 793.95 Yeah, even I have, I think, yeah. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 791.25 792.6 Yeah, even I have. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 792.79 793.13 Yes. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 793.23 793.51 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 794.48 794.68 'Kay. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 795.57 795.88 Okay. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 796.5 797.74 Alright, well uh 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 796.52 797.81 Yeah, so let's see. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 801.94 803.61 And see what we can come up with. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 797.96 801.94 Then uh we see you in about thirty minutes. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 801.89 802.4 Yes. 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 803.39 803.68 Hmm. 
IS1009a H03 FIO089 803.8 804.53 Okay, very good. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 804.08 805.26 Okay. 
IS1009a H01 FIO087 805.26 805.72 Yes. 
IS1009a H00 FIE088 804.79 805.07 Okay? 
IS1009a H02 FIO084 805.49 805.68 Yeah. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 37.32 38.65 Okay, is everybody ready? 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 39.06 39.27 Yeah? 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 39.72 42.79 Yeah I'd to just put on my microphone here and I'll be right with you. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 43.16 43.5 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 45.13 45.35 Okay? 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 47.17 58.69 Um I take it you all have received instructions as to what you were supposed to do and um 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 55.21 55.44 Mm? 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 55.71 56.11 Yes. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 60.79 67.33 I think the Marketing Manager probably should go first, addressing the needs and desires. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 75.39 77.03 Okay you want me to start right now? 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 78.43 79.03 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 79.31 79.98 Okay. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 79.98 86.44 Well, could you um put my slides up 'cause I think it might be helpful if uh we looked at the slides at the same time. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 86.28 86.64 Okay. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 95.59 97.05 You're participant four. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 98.3 98.86 Yes uh-huh. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 96.82 98.3 I'm participant four I believe. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 100.69 101.13 'Kay. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 100.96 103.73 Okay, and now I can uh full screen. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 104.21 104.61 Open. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 106.29 107.53 Uh, okay, okay. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 108.47 109.63 There we go. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 109.63 119.58 Okay well I think we have introduced ourselves, so the functional requirements are is is part of my goal but why don't we pass right to the second slide. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 110.39 111.17 And then full screen. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 130.3 136.19 Um I thought that the method I should follow would be gather suggestions from everybody 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 123.34 130.3 Right well um since I'm in charge of trying to figure out what we should put on this thing since I have to try to sell it. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 120.69 123.34 Cause that's where m my discussion starts. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 146.72 150.69 You know you can say anything you want no matter how silly it sounds you know it should run your car 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 136.19 146.72 and th the reason I just put that there like that is that uh in the init in the initial stage I think I should just be open to lots of suggestions. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 150.69 165.31 it should heat up your motor if should um turn on your C. D. whatever you want it to do um and then as we go on what we'll have to do is accept and eliminate these suggestions according to um design and budget feasibility. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 130.02 130.29 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 155.16 155.38 'Kay. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 165.62 176.33 So I'll be coming to you um frequently as the Industrial Expert to tell me how hard it's gonna be to add a feature or how expensive it's gonna be or if your time 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 176.33 180.11 if it takes five years to develop this it's just something we can't do. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 208.87 213.22 because if we're gonna sell this thing, I think the best time to sell it is as a Christmas present. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 200.47 208.87 and as I said on the slide there consulting the Industrial Engineer about that and the other thing is timing is really gonna be as important as money,
IS1009b H03 FIO089 197.78 200.47 So that was um what I meant there 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 180.11 189.21 So in the beginning just have a big puddle of things that we anybody can th throw anything in and then just weed things out that can't be done for one reason or another 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 189.21 197.78 and then the things that seem the most attractive that to uh to a customer we'll try to then prioritise those. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 169.39 169.6 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 171.69 172.05 Yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 173.86 173.98 Yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 174.57 175.03 Yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 177.46 178.4 Hmm hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 179.12 179.32 Mm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 182.06 182.36 Yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 195.35 195.62 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 197.33 197.65 Yeah. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 228.28 234.85 'cause anything that you don't already have out there in September showing it around, isn't gonna sell for Christmas. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 234.85 261.02 Um and then I'll be coming to you as the User Interface person to try to tell me from your point of view what are the most friendly features that we could put on it and try to prior help me with that prioritising of uh of the features and of the the look and the colour and I'll be coming back to you to help weed out those suggestions from that point of view. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 224.06 228.28 So it's gotta be really attractive and it but it's gotta go to market by September,
IS1009b H03 FIO089 222.22 224.06 And take out their wallet and buy it. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 213.64 218.01 Twenty five Euros makes a nice little present, and we want it to be an impulse purchase,
IS1009b H03 FIO089 218.01 222.22 we want somebody to see it and think it's, gee I just gotta have that. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 218.1 218.41 Mm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 232.67 233.02 Yeah. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 250.63 250.89 Okay. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 260.98 261.32 Okay. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 290.54 292.06 Okay can we go to the next slide please? 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 278.51 290.54 A lot of times the thing that works the best from an engineering point of view isn't the thing that somebody's really just gonna take out their wallet and buy for Christmas for for their child or for their husband or whatever. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 261.31 265.63 So I'll be coming to you for how much is it gonna cost us and how long is it gonna take you 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 271.01 278.51 what what's what's gonna really be what they call a sizzle, 'cause we gotta sell this sizzle. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 265.63 271.01 and I'll be coming to you to tell me what's gonna make somebody take out their wallet you know,
IS1009b H02 FIO084 264.83 265.54 Mm mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 269.25 269.98 What features. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 276.85 277.41 Yes. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 275.7 276.85 S sellable. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 289.01 289.27 Yes. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 294.86 306.25 Alright I I already did a little bit of research after our first meeting where we threw out some ideas and it looks to me that within the budget that we're looking at the uh the whole house idea really isn't gonna be possible. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 343.81 344.59 I have to wind up? 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 317.08 329.24 not something like you know whole house control what'll be And then I found on the internet from from my research that some extended electronic entertainment control should be possible. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 335.01 343.81 the stereo set um maybe something else cute like a coffee pot or one other appliance or maybe a lamp. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 329.24 335.01 At the budget that we're looking at and at the price point we're looking at, we should be able to make it work the T. V., the V. C. R. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 306.25 311.75 So I'd like your suggestions to come back to the other slide where I was saying we we could suggest anything. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 311.75 317.08 I'd like the suggestions to be really specific, so that we'll have a list of things we can cross off 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 353.55 362.62 Um the one thing for example something to eliminate maybe that's the teletext, because that's sort of outdated with the internet 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 362.62 370.62 and according to to higher management the it should only control the T. V. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 370.62 381.07 mostly because they feel that it's too comp complex a task to um to to include other things, and they are concerned with the time to market. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 346.86 353.55 Um we have received instruction from higher up that certain things should not be uh considered. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 341.3 346.86 Uh okay, can can I at this point interject um something? 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 345.68 346.38 Yeah, sure. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 353.2 353.6 Okay. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 361.11 361.46 Okay. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 361.5 361.68 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 374.39 375.82 Complicated, yeah, of course. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 381.27 381.44 Yeah. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 381.32 382.12 Of course, yeah. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 381.85 382.38 Okay. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 391.12 395.08 and that the corporate colour and design are being used on the product 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 402.21 407.04 and that there's no mistake that it could be somebody else who is bringing this out. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 395.08 402.21 so that it's easy that that that they can be easily identified as a product of of of the company 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 382.85 391.12 Um and the and the third thing that they wanna make sure um that their that the corporate image is being maintained 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 381.97 382.85 Okay. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 407.04 413.53 So I just wanted to interject this here so we're not getting too much off track here with uh with the things we wanna look at. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 413.53 419.95 These were instructions from higher up so we have to eliminate uh these things, so it's only gonna be T. V. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 419.95 425.1 but the one thing maybe that could be um eliminated is the teletext uh idea. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 383.08 384.4 Okay, so that's something 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 404.12 404.34 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 418.2 418.95 Okay so 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 425.4 425.74 Okay. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 426.38 427.29 Mm 'kay. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 426.99 427.55 Okay. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 477.34 478.73 'Kay can we go to the next slide please? 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 460.99 471.6 and then the things about finding it we talked about the a light emitting thing as well as uh maybe a beep 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 471.6 477.34 and I think that those are things after my research that we definitely wanna try to incorporate. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 449 453.88 Um so those are two things that we definitely do wanna address,
IS1009b H03 FIO089 453.88 460.99 uh we wanna s make it as simple as possible, we wanna make it um obvious and intuitive to use 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 437.38 440.93 'Cause a lot of them take too much time to learn how to use 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 428.38 437.38 Um alright now other things that I found out on in my research is that the complaints that people have about the remote controls that are out there now. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 427 428.38 Alright, thanks for that. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 440.93 449 and that was thirty four percent but even more important the thing that we did address in our last meeting that frequently it's lost somewhere in the room. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 479.65 487.37 Okay, so, my personal preferences in this um project are really have to concentrate on the sizzle. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 498.02 501.07 If somebody says, oh I'll come back and get it next week you're dead. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 502.5 509.83 You've gotta make it attractive enough so they buy it now now now w now is a big word in in my book for selling this thing. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 501.07 502.5 They're never gonna come back and buy it. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 491.69 498.02 Uh because once there's no be-back, well in sales they always say you know, be-backs don't come back. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 487.37 491.69 That is the selling point, the thing that's gonna make it an impulse purchase. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 528.95 535.66 So we've gotta concentrate on the features that help you find it, and I've already said this several times but I put it down in writing here 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 556.96 558.95 Okay that's uh about it for me right now. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 539.11 544.76 So it has to have enough value that when somebody looks at it they say, uh twenty five Euros I'm not gonna take that. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 549.21 556.96 Um and then maybe a motto, like we put fashion in electronics might be something we can use in our marketing campaign. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 544.76 549.21 Has to be so great that they're gonna say, uh twenty five Euros isn't much. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 518.32 526.03 We have to have as few buttons as possible, because more buttons is more confusion, so that's why I'm saying, simplicity is good. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 510.54 518.32 And, in order to make it really sellable we've gotta shorten the learning curve, make sure it's really intuitive and easy to use. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 526.03 528.95 Finding it's important, obviously you can't use it if you can't find it. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 535.66 539.11 it should be an attractive impulse purchase at twenty five Euros. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 556.58 556.82 Yeah. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 559.53 560.07 Okay. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 563.03 564.6 And uh 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 574.49 574.79 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 571.57 572.29 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 565.99 571.57 who would be next, uh, I guess that would be you. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 572.29 574.49 You want me to get your slide show up? 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 571.19 571.88 Yeah 'kay. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 574.54 574.98 Thank you. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 573.35 574.54 Yeah yeah sure. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 583.19 583.66 Number two. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 580.82 583.19 And you are number three? 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 582.47 583.79 Number two, yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 590.92 591.58 Yeah exactly. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 591.62 592.16 Okay. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 593.76 595.94 Uh can you make it uh full screen please? 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 594.24 594.66 Okay. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 595.82 596.14 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 598.28 598.62 Yep. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 598.41 601.25 No, it's like a well you you have to press here. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 605.21 605.92 The thir third. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 602.45 605.21 The cup cup shape here? 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 604.54 605.26 Yeah yeah, uh-huh. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 607.71 609.94 Yeah exactly. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 609.94 613.73 Uh so today I'm going to talk about the working design of the remote controller. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 613.73 616.44 Um can you go to the next sli slide please? 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 607.98 608.71 There, mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 613.29 613.63 Okay. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 616.32 616.63 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 662.93 666.01 like a T. V. or a air conditioner, something like that so. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 639.41 662.93 It should be a battery because uh uh remote controller should be like you you you should take it t to wherever you want and then um uh th this integrated circuitry takes energy from the power source and whatever like if you press a button it's like a input for the remote controller and it takes the input and it it transforms into a infro infrared bits and it sends it into the device,
IS1009b H02 FIO084 625.92 639.41 It takes the power from a battery say a battery it it can be a elec an electric supply like you have to uh like uh switch connec connect connect your remote controller to uh power supply from the you know electricity or something like that. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 618.32 625.92 The metal is like uh in a remote controller you have a chip integrated circuit which is like a brain of the remote controller. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 645.78 646.16 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 666.43 670.27 Uh a remote controller is specifically designed to a single device. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 701.47 707.57 and the T. V. it should translate that into like change the channel or something like that 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 686.29 701.47 It should re re recognise the uh waves which are coming from the remote controller and it should take the action like if you press a button channel or something like that then uh the remote uh remote controller will send a send a se send a signal 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 707.57 716 change the volume control and uh so uh I think it's hard to design a remote controller for multiple uh devices. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 670.27 686.29 If you want to design it for multiple devices then you should make all the devices compatible with the frequency like uh th the remote controller it sends some bits some uh waves like with a particular frequency the device should know what the frequency is. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 699.77 700.61 Signal. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 703.62 704.2 Receive. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 707.08 707.38 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 708.64 708.93 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 715.86 716.43 Multi-purpose. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 716.5 722.92 Yeah well that's already been eliminated by management, so we're off the hook. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 716.92 722.5 Yo and it's yeah but it's so. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 718.51 719.05 Uh yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 723.52 724.03 Um. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 723.57 723.92 Yep. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 738.67 760.4 you want to change the channel you want to control the volume you you want to uh mute uh mute the uh T. V. or you want to have a child lock or you want to do some operations there's a there should be some device to tell what to do to the uh in uh integrated circuit so that the integrated circuit can s send the signals and T. V. can perform the actions. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 736.53 738.67 So uh you can control whatever you want 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 726.28 736.53 So uh user interface controls the chip and accordingly the messages like there should be a user user in interface like you know switch pad or something like that buttons should be there. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 753.99 754.59 Mm okay. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 761.11 763.15 So can you go to the next slide please? 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 762.34 762.95 Okay. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 777.21 794.12 it's like el the text or buttons which uh which are there on the uh remote controller they those we can make uh um like fluorescent uh they'll be like light emitting if it is dark so that you can find your remote controller if it is dark. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 763.82 777.21 So I I just would like to uh add some extra features to the remote controller um I think these are the very simple features and uh they don't take much uh uh much of the um um investment also 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 768.59 769.11 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 787.47 787.8 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 795.06 812.11 And ther there should be a beep if many buttons are pressed if suppose a child is playing with the remote controller and a and she she or he is pressing the buttons all at the time then there should be a beep saying that it's this this is not a a you know a a action 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 815.15 816.9 And there should be a child lock 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 840.8 842.45 yeah, yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 842.45 853.64 And uh different shapes that we can do like uh we can have you know a all animals shapes or you know comfortable uh whi which can fit into your hands and um so that uh 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 831.82 840.8 If make it useable for more than one device it's a it's hard but I think it's possible but it uh yeah yeah yeah so it's it's okay,
IS1009b H02 FIO084 816.9 831.82 like uh uh you should be able to lock your remote controller so that uh um whatever buttons are pressed by a child they can't be like y you i you if you have ki kids and all then they'll be pl playing with the remote controllers so can lock the remote controller. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 812.11 815.15 there can be no action taking to that so. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 835.85 841.94 Yeah well yeah well that has been e that has been eliminated, so that's that's unfortunately a moot point now. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 841.94 842.36 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 837.1 839.26 Well we already eliminated that. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 838.76 839.27 Eliminated. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 853 857 Now that's good from a marketing point of view, the fun the fun shape. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 859.82 861.72 To d the shape is uh 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 857 859.82 And that you you say that won't add too much to the budget? 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 854.88 858.06 Yeah, yeah, yeah and colours also, different colours, and 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 857 857.44 Yeah I 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 857.27 857.77 Mm-hmm colours. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 860.09 865.77 No no no, it won't uh I don't think it will be like, you can have you know for uh if you want ther there to be more 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 864.37 867.48 It just build a mould basically and uh you know. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 866.83 869.26 It's it's just a s shape so it doesn't matter. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 866.27 866.83 Yeah yeah. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 867.14 868.06 Yes exactly. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 869.28 874.68 As the budget we're looking at if you build one mould I don't think that's going to make a big difference whether it's gonna be square or 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 871.8 872.32 Yeah. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 875.57 882.67 Do you think there's any chance of um having ser in having basically the same machine with the same buttons but maybe several different shapes? 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 883 885.7 Yeah that is also possible I uh yeah I I yeah. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 883.57 884.05 Oh yes. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 884.16 885.04 Is that gonna be a possible? 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 885.04 886.82 'Cause that might help with the marketing. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 884.66 885.05 Yes. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 885.31 891.46 I think I think we will have to look at the budget on that but I think in principle that that would be that would be kind of fun 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 891.46 891.83 you know. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 887.13 887.92 Yeah that will be 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 891.2 892.05 Yeah yeah. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 891.44 903.28 Because we had something sort of sexy for adults and we could have something sort of silly for children or a little animal shape or in a or a little elephant so they can remember where it is. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 892.83 893.09 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 894.05 894.33 Yeah. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 895.49 896.61 Silly for children. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 896.35 898.84 Yeah, for children, yeah exactly. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 898.84 900.28 Yeah, that's what, yeah. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 897.33 898.75 Like an animal or 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 898.13 899.69 Like a doll, or 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 899.65 900.04 Yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 902.1 903.71 Yeah, exactly. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 903.71 904.4 Yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 917.48 925.61 so I think uh we need to make some buttons which are which are like um uh f in uh in intended for two or three operations,
IS1009b H02 FIO084 911.06 913.92 If there are more buttons then it will be more complicated. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 904.4 911.06 And and the butto buttons also I think if you want to have more features in your remote controller then there should be more buttons. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 932.99 939.01 So if you want to have less buttons we can have that option but I think it will complicate the matter more I think so. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 925.61 932.99 like if you press one button in one mode then it will change the channel, if you press the other button in another mode it will change the colour. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 913.92 917.48 If you have less features then your remote controller won't be attractive 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 902.65 903.49 Yes. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 934.25 934.97 Mm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 963.16 966.72 changing modes is nothing for us, but people who 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 939.04 949.3 I think I think that that's something that we'll have to discuss um with the User Interface person because I think there's a lot of argument to be made for one button for one feature. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 957.05 963.16 The changing modes was something I mean you and I, all f all four of us we work with computers all the time,
IS1009b H03 FIO089 938.61 939.04 Well 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 949.3 957.05 Because I think one of the things were complaining about in my what I found out in my research is when they complained about how hard it is to learn a new one. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 941.96 943.11 Yep, yeah. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 942 942.48 Yes. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 956.55 956.91 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 958.79 960.45 Yeah, it's like you know yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 961.79 962.01 Yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 962.56 963.37 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 963.2 963.79 Okay. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 969.35 978.75 and and it's a small button and and it they don't press it exactly you know something else happens n not their favourite channel comes up but something else and they're very frustrated you know. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 966.71 969.35 Yeah, a little elderly, a little arthritic hand you know 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 968.45 969.54 N and 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 968.98 969.58 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 971.7 972.23 Yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 976.47 977.8 Yeah, yes. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 976.99 977.54 Something else. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 985.2 991.18 So um maybe having buttons be various shapes might be a help too. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1000.76 1002.51 But we'll get to that with you. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 977.52 985.2 And that's and that's the kind of thing people learn by feel, and um you don't feel the mode change. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 991.18 1000.76 You know, like the a triangle is for the volume and a square is for changing channels, so that people can uh develop a tactile sense of it. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 984.5 985.22 Yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 981.76 984.5 Yeah, yeah you don't us yeah yeah, usually. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 990.02 992.08 Yeah shapes also, different shapes. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 992.08 992.9 Yeah that will 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 993.71 994.06 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 996.23 996.87 Channels. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 996.41 996.77 Yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 998.44 998.73 Yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1000.79 1006.46 Yeah, yeah, and also text should be very clear so that there there won't be any ambiguities and uh 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1000.99 1001.91 Mm, mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1002.09 1002.43 Yes. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1005.87 1006.76 That's right, yeah. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1006.76 1007.66 Now that's a good point. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1007.66 1007.88 Yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1007.06 1007.88 So yeah. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1007.39 1007.74 Yes. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1008.93 1022.01 And uh display clock i if you want more features then we can display a clock it I I don't think it will take any money extra money because anyway we have an integrated circuit I think we can just definitely fit that feature into the circuit so it's 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1021.43 1029.05 Yeah, that's that's a good that's a good one, because the clock would be really friendly, and and when is your favourite show coming on and 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1022.84 1024.86 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1024.86 1025.29 Yes. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1023.13 1024.4 Yeah, and we display a clock. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1023.34 1023.75 Mm yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1025.61 1025.91 Yeah. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1026.92 1028.08 Yes. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1028.08 1031.54 Yeah you're sitting there already or maybe you have no other uh 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1027.53 1031.19 Yeah, and then you can just see your remote controller yeah yeah yeah so 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1028.08 1029.4 Yes. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1030.84 1032.93 Yeah, and a lot of time there's not a clock on the screen 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1035.59 1037.74 Yeah that's that's good, the clock is good. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1037.74 1038.1 Okay. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1032.93 1035.59 and you have to go somewhere but you just wanna look at the news for a minute. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1033.16 1033.4 Yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1058.51 1062.65 then the remote controller should automatically have a b s light. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1050.3 1058.51 Like uh we can have a bulb like whenever we are operating a remote controller or uh whenever the T. V. is on suppose 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1048.8 1050.3 And uh bulbs. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1040.56 1048.8 Uh components uh the main components we need for uh it ha like buttons and uh underneath that there should be switch. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1038.11 1040.56 Uh can you go to the next slide please? 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1037.1 1038.11 Yeah. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1037.57 1039.39 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1058.33 1058.74 Hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1063.18 1063.51 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1067.96 1074.56 not from through a remote remote controller and you you lost your remote controller maybe you can find with the light. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1063.84 1067.96 Then it will be like if you switch on your T. V. through anoth another source 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1074.56 1075.78 Maybe we can have that. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1075.78 1078.8 Whenever the T. V. is on, remote controller will have a light. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1073.83 1074.15 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1079.18 1079.53 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1082.77 1085.76 Um this is like uh when it is dark. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1080.2 1082.77 And then uh infrared bulbs. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1082.71 1083.06 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1085.56 1086.34 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1086.32 1086.57 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1095.21 1100.74 and wires connecting all chips, which is uh lights, everything, so there should be wires. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1086.68 1091.43 And battery, there should be a battery for power supply, and a chip 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1091.43 1095.21 chip which is like a brain to the remote controller which does all the operations,
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1090.23 1090.6 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1093 1093.27 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1099.19 1099.43 Yeah. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1099.88 1100.29 Okay. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1111.83 1112.03 Yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1106.52 1111.83 you know different shapes or whatever it is there should be a case to put to give a shape. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1101.67 1106.52 And uh uh of course there should be a case where we can keep all the things and 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1111.84 1112.46 Yeah. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1110.68 1111.84 To keep the remote? 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1113.08 1113.52 Case. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1115.19 1116.49 A holder remote holder. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1114.1 1115.19 A case holder. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1115.09 1115.79 Yeah, holder. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1116.13 1117.38 Holder, yeah, mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1120.17 1121.92 Um uh can you move onto the next slide. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1122.86 1124.64 Um next sli slide please. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1126.11 1138.5 Um I have referred the site uh the homepage of the um our website, uh from where I have uh uh I got s few points. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1139.48 1139.8 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1140.21 1141.47 That's it, that's it from me now. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1141.76 1142.16 Okay. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1147.15 1150.75 So it um we should visit this site and have a look at uh what's up there? 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1150.75 1151.46 Or 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1149.75 1151.39 Um. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1151.61 1152.74 Well, you don't have to. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1152.75 1153.7 Uh it's not like that 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1153.7 1161.72 I have referred the page to get new ideas or like what can be the working design to how it works and all and so and so. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1157.46 1157.86 Okay. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1162.05 1163.75 So it might be helpful if we had a look at that. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1161.28 1162.05 Okay. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1164.5 1165.14 Yeah if you want. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1165.4 1166.34 Okay, thank you. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1165.68 1166.46 Yeah, it's okay. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1172.84 1176.07 Could you go back to that slide where she had that uh s slide up Betsy? 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1176.36 1179.26 Uh, it's actually there now, there on the screen. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1179.44 1179.79 This one? 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1180.11 1181.1 Yeah, okay, thank you. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1197.41 1199.18 And Francine? 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1199.03 1199.72 Participant two. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1200.4 1201.6 You are number two? 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1201.07 1202.08 Yes. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1202.08 1202.73 No no, I'm three. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1203.06 1203.41 You're three. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1224.22 1226.97 Yeah can you please go onto the next slide? 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1214.42 1224.22 As uh User Interface Designer I did a little research to find out what are the features which a user would like to have on their remote. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1211.46 1213.71 Yes yes yes. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1210.36 1211.46 I can make it full? 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1213.71 1214.42 Okay. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1226.97 1238.22 So I found out that uh but uh the main purpose of a remote is to uh f control the function of a television at a far off distance at remote distance. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1210.71 1212.45 Would you want it full full screen? 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1213.18 1213.55 Okay. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1212.45 1213.18 Mm-hmm? 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1223.66 1224 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1225.44 1225.78 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1239.88 1240.81 Now for that 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1240.81 1253.32 uh a remote controller should have a switch on off button by which a user can sit anywhere in the room in front of the T. V. and he can control the functionalities different functionalities of the T. V. . 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1253.32 1267.93 There should be a signal uh something like a radio wave or a infrared light or a LED which can be used to change the different functionalities in the television if the user wants to uh change the channels or increase the volume he can change it. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1247.84 1248.08 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1268.25 1268.57 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1269.78 1279.65 Now there should be some timer to set for viewing a particular a particular programme or switching on and off a uh a particular programme according to the user choice. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1279.01 1281.11 On the on on the remote. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1281.11 1281.68 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1281.51 1281.95 Yes. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1280.74 1281.51 Yes. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1313.16 1321.53 And uh the uh the uh and the one of the feature a user would like to have is the compactness of the co remote. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1289.51 1293.89 and the T. V. will automatically it will switch on at that particular time. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1283.88 1289.51 So if if he want to view a particular programme at say nine o'clock he can set the time 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1306.58 1313.16 then the parents can lock that particular channel so that the ch children cannot view that channel. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1293.89 1306.58 So he can use that kind of uh uh properties of features and then there should be a child lock system if a particular channel is not to be viewed by a particular uh for a certain age 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1286.43 1286.64 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1287.71 1288.11 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1289.44 1289.65 Right. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1293.07 1293.44 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1302.86 1303.25 Yes. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1304.85 1305.98 By your child, mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1311.53 1311.82 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1312.63 1313.07 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1322.64 1323.12 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1323.11 1323.49 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1323.83 1333.47 Uh t the remote should be compact and it should ha it should have as many buttons as possible for controlling different functionalities of the T. V. television. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1333.47 1342.09 And um uh as uh uh this is my personal preference that it should be in the shape of a T. in alphabet for more compactability. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1342.32 1342.7 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1348.16 1359.89 like uh the material which which which is used for remotes should be human friendly it should not cause any skin disease or something some al allergy to either children or to um ad adult person. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1359.89 1371.24 And it should have an uh it can have an alarm clock a a person if some if somebody wants to get up at around eight eight P. M. then he can set the time and it can be used as an alarm clock 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1371.24 1375.23 and I don't think it will cost much to set an alarm clock inside a remote. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1343.53 1348.16 And uh and uh and it is one more point which I noted it down 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1356.24 1356.53 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1358.24 1358.86 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1358.86 1359.25 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1358.33 1358.85 Mm, 'kay. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1366.95 1367.25 Mm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1371.17 1371.47 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1374.91 1376.42 Yeah, sure. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1376.42 1378.9 If there is a clock then there can be a alarm clock. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1376.1 1376.9 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1378.02 1380.3 And an alarm clock, yeah that should that should be okay. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1378.3 1382.32 Yes, and as John Reece said the buttons can be 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1391.84 1397.73 So in even in the dark the user can know what buttons to use to switch on a particular channel. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1382.32 1391.84 uh can me we can use the fluorescence to light up the buttons so different uh buttons will glow differently. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1399.14 1408.86 And uh uh the design of the uh um remote should be in such a way that there should not be any sharp projections so that if a child plays with a remote 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1408.86 1411.38 he uh he should not be harmed in any way. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1408.89 1409.25 Hmm. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1424.12 1434.43 there are remotes which use the infrared for controlling the different functionalities, there are remotes which use the radio waves to control the functions and there are uh 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1415.28 1424.12 And findings, uh I found out uh y um on different sites that uh there are different remotes which can be used,
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1436.08 1445.13 So uh there you have different uh types of remotes for different light source which are used which can be used for controlling the different functionalities of a television. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1453.25 1454.07 Next slide. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1461.51 1462.01 Not 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1462.01 1471.93 uh no uh like it can it can be used as a T. V. control as plus an alarm clock to set an alarm a timing and it should have a child lock 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1471.93 1479.88 and then to save electricity uh there should not be uh much s move uh lots of circuits and all that. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1489.61 1492.28 so that nobody else comes later and use it. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1456.32 1461.51 And these are my few personal preferences like it can be used for a multipurpose use. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1479.88 1489.61 And if a person if if if parents wants the television to be switched off by ten o'clock then it should be switched off ten o at ten o'clock automatically 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1491.24 1496.78 It's like a t okay, it's like a timer it's like a lock to the television. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1493.75 1495.15 Timer, yeah, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1494.32 1495.47 Timer. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1495.47 1497.71 Yeah and then you can use a timer as well. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1499.36 1499.76 Yes. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1501.48 1501.98 Yeah that's it. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1502.88 1506.02 Uh okay, now I have 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1550.7 1557.34 And uh what function, working design, how how does it work. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1542.75 1550.7 However uh the decision we have to take in this meeting is who is our target group. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1533.84 1542.75 On my slide show basically we already we have already done the agenda, and uh on the closing uh basically there will be lunch break and all that. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1557.34 1560.64 So these are the two things we should come up wit with. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1560.64 1566.54 So uh the first thing is pro maybe a little easier on uh who is our target group. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1550.28 1550.95 Okay. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1568.21 1568.83 Um. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1570.93 1572.63 I guess in many ways everybody. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1574.48 1576.21 Everybody who has a T. V. . 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1574.82 1576.85 Mm, T. V., yeah. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1576.57 1577.92 T. V. television we was. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1583.14 1584.96 There are a few but in general not. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1577.98 1583.14 Yeah, and I think today there are probably not many people who don't have a T. V. . 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1581.7 1583.48 Don't T. V., yeah. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1595.2 1605.19 We have we have earlier it was mentioned about um for example elderly people who have limited function with their fingers and hands 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1624.55 1632.23 I mean that's a question um whether that's important that children can really use it or not. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1586.73 1595.2 Now, talking about the target group which is in a sense everybody, but I think within the target group we have subgroups. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1605.19 1609.75 so I think that's uh one group that's certainly important. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1618.45 1624.55 And uh I don't know how much we want to cater to children's use. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1609.75 1618.45 Um then we have just the nervous people who can never press a little button on anything um unless it's really very clear. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1601.54 1601.9 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1604.76 1605.06 Hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1617.66 1617.96 Yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1632.09 1632.3 Mm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1634.47 1637.14 So this these are just some thoughts I have on it 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1653.67 1662.25 whether that different shape also includes maybe different uh buttons uh for different groups. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1637.14 1653.67 and um I dunno what you feel about whether we can just say we have one target group and for this one target group we're gonna design this one thing or whether we're looking at what we like we we talking about different shapes 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1637.07 1637.63 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1647.59 1647.74 Yeah. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1653.08 1653.51 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1658.74 1659.03 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1658.95 1659.33 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1667.37 1680.94 So if you've designed something that's very attractive to children um the mummy please mummy please um you know we want it now we wanna go to the store and see it um that has uh a lot of marketing pull. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1662.76 1667.37 Well you know there's the old motto, children under six never shop alone. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1666.88 1667.27 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1678.76 1688.47 That has a lot of that has a lot of appeal but I think uh I'm I'm talking about the functionality now on it whether we're looking at different groups. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1688.47 1693.22 I think the children issue can be addressed with the shape and with colours. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1693.22 1701.78 You know, like you make it nice and pink, fluorescent, banana colour or whatever you know yeah, for example you know. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1701.78 1704.67 But the question is really, who is our target group. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1681.65 1681.7 Mm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1691.42 1691.81 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1692.74 1693.14 That's right. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1692.92 1693.23 Yeah. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1692.95 1693.74 Different colours. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1696.48 1696.91 Yes. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1697.62 1699.8 You can make a banana shaped one. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1699.07 1699.42 Yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1701.2 1701.59 Mm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1705.2 1705.71 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1706.23 1708.67 Do we look at one target group? 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1709.84 1720.9 And with the twenty five Euros you know can we can we afford to have uh I'm asking the technical people here whether um to look at 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1722.97 1729.66 sort of subgroups with maybe different buttons for each group how much would that throw us 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1730.74 1734.9 out of the cost we are supposed to respect? 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1734.63 1734.97 Mm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1733.47 1734.63 Respect. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1735.87 1736.96 Okay. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1736.96 1757.37 No uh generally we can we can design a remote which is mainly for people with uh f age from ten to um forty and and then we can add on uh specific functional buttons for children as well as the elderly people or the people wit with who have nervous problems 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1757.37 1757.77 yes. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1747.14 1747.51 Right. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1755.38 1756.28 With with 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1757.29 1757.65 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1764.17 1764.45 yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1757.67 1764.17 We can design different remotes for different people, like for aged people there will be big buttons and you know. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1762.98 1763.99 Well that's that's 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1763 1770.29 But in a family in a family there will be a aged person, children and a middle aged but they cannot buy three different remotes. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1770.29 1776.25 They would like to buy just one and um just one which can be used all the three uh 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1766.66 1768.09 Children and everybody, yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1777.28 1790.2 but specifically if y if like elderly people want big buttons then you can't really make a bi big remote controller so maybe specifically you can design a big con remote controller for elderly and for children 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1775.78 1777.28 Yeah of course that we can do 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1790.2 1791.23 like in a different you know. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1791.32 1793.23 That's not really gonna change much, is it? 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1790.07 1791.32 What about the electronics? 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1791.56 1792.08 Yeah. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1792.21 1793.23 Cost effective. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1792.95 1794.46 No, it it doesn't cost, yeah. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1794.06 1796.88 That that w that won't change much, will it uh? 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1794.14 1795.02 No 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1797.28 1798.72 Doesn't doesn't doesn't matter. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1796.42 1797.28 Yeah. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1797.85 1803.8 The the quest the question to be addressed here is only who is the target group and how will it function,
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1822.18 1824.31 I mean the basic design I understand will be the same 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1812.72 1822.18 The question is only whether our budget will allow to have more than one design in a sense. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1824.31 1834.28 but the question is how much will that set us back if let's say uh forty percent we make large buttons and the rest we make regular buttons for example. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1803.8 1812.72 and I think the how will it function is probably the question of the buttons you know, within the target group or subgroups. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1798.08 1799.11 I d I wouldn't think so. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1803.33 1803.73 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1809.47 1809.8 Yeah. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1821.76 1822.11 Yeah. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1832.06 1832.46 Okay. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1832.99 1833.3 Yeah. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1834.47 1834.81 Yeah. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1835.33 1843.53 So that remains to s to be seen but uh the target group as a whole is is basically everybody with a T. V. . 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1852.16 1856.58 or would we have to use the same electronics and make three different shapes? 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1861.2 1865.75 And in that case we could probabl moulded plastic isn't all that expensive is it? 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1856.58 1861.2 Um the same electronics and basically all that's gonna be different is the plastic case. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1865.75 1867.54 Um you as an industrial person? 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1843.62 1852.16 That's right, and can we can we is it even feasible to make one one remote control with something for everyone 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1844.23 1844.54 Yes. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1855.53 1857.47 Yeah, well that's that's the question. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1859.47 1860.82 Hmm hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1866.14 1866.61 Uh no. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1869.47 1870.15 It's not. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1866.61 1869.47 Mm, I I I don't think no. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1900.4 1903.71 And then if people really want more colours they can buy it separately. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1878.16 1884.77 so you can have a striped one or you can have a fluorescent blue one, or whatever, and maybe something like that 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1868.47 1874.26 Well maybe there's there's an idea you know t the new for example new portable phones? 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1884.77 1900.4 that in each package you know you have you you have you have for example uh you have let's say a fluorescent blue on it but then you have uh another colour or stripe whatever that already comes in a package. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1874.26 1878.16 They have like removable plastic cases,
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1873.63 1874.03 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1877.89 1878.21 Yeah. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1882.22 1882.55 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1882.63 1882.97 Okay. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1887.25 1888.8 Well there's a real idea yeah. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1894.73 1895.05 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1899.66 1899.95 Hmm. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1900.42 1900.67 Yeah. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1904.39 1904.7 Right. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1904.62 1911.33 Yeah, like for mobile phones we have uh different you know covers, like designs and all so that w we can have that. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1905.07 1906.5 You know, yes. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1905.21 1905.7 Um 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1908.64 1909.09 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1909.04 1909.29 Yes. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1909.82 1916.94 and but like if if then everybody is is is tired of the fluorescent blue and of the striped or whatever they have as another one in the package 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1916.94 1926.96 then they can go to the store and for a few uh Francs or Euros whatever they can buy an alternate package with another two colours in it you know for example you know. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1909.27 1909.82 That's right 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1910.56 1911.12 Uh yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1919.19 1919.42 Yeah. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1922.28 1923.22 An alternate package. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1926.71 1927.25 Okay. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1926.34 1926.71 Yeah. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1927.75 1945.36 But uh yeah I I have a doubt like will it be cost wise effective if we if we design a remote having all the uh different features for different people or designing three different um remotes for three different categories of people. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1945.49 1961.11 Well I think I think the idea here is to uh to to d design one remote and what the only change is gonna be um the funct d t yeah uh the functional functional cosmetics if you want to put it that way 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1961.11 1970.66 um having maybe larger buttons or buttons that light up or buttons that are slightly differently shaped for people uh either for children um 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1945.88 1946.68 Yeah, but uh 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1946.15 1948.41 Well I think we can only aff, yeah. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1949.7 1950.09 Okay. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1950.04 1950.47 Yeah. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1954.03 1954.73 Cosmetic. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1955.75 1956.59 Of th okay. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1959.47 1959.98 Okay. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1960.82 1961.16 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1972.87 1975.56 Five minutes that was I guess tha that's the old message. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1977.56 1979.05 Warning, finish meeting now. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1978.28 1979.44 Finish meeting now. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1979.44 1982.41 Um um. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1985.06 1989.18 Well we may have to come back to one or two of these points at our next meeting but um 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1986.68 1989.31 Yeah, maybe, yeah, yeah. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 1989.31 1991.44 If we do some more research, maybe we. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1988.92 1994.52 But I think I I think to sum it up the target group is basically everybody. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 1994.52 2000.23 If money permits we can address some features for some subgroups within that. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 1999.16 1999.45 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 1999.39 2000.79 Okay, mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 2000.29 2007.53 Hmm yeah, I think maybe seventy percent is a unique uh uh remote controller and thirty percent is yeah it's sort of like yeah. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 2001.14 2002.01 Okay but we have to l 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 2001.45 2002.47 Do we agree, do we? 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 2004.74 2010.28 Do we agree on on that in principle, like money will tell whether we will be able to do that or not. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 2008.25 2009.91 Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 2010.29 2011.59 Okay, fair enough. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 2010.48 2010.93 Yes. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 2011.26 2012.07 Okay? 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 2012.07 2014.47 So now I understand it's lunch break. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 2011.99 2012.19 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 2015.48 2016.31 And um. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 2017.78 2019.22 So that's what we will do. 
IS1009b H03 FIO089 2019.24 2019.68 Okay. 
IS1009b H01 FIO087 2020.18 2020.44 Okay. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 2022.2 2023.24 So hank you very much. 
IS1009b H02 FIO084 2022.8 2023.26 Thank you. 
IS1009b H00 FIE088 2024.39 2026.9 And we'll see you after lunch. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 40.24 40.69 Okay. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 42.16 42.99 Hello everyone. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 43.25 43.42 Hi. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 43.37 43.8 Hi. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 43.77 44.09 Hi. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 44.79 47.18 Um how uh how we doing? 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 48.29 48.77 Yeah, good. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 56.25 68.7 Um in the last meeting uh the marketing manager had presented uh her method of working, meaning gathering i suggestions 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 49.27 56.25 Uh first we going uh over the minutes of the last meeting, more or less. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 55.6 55.97 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 69.97 79.04 from everyone to see how she best could market uh this this product at the within the budget uh that was given. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 81.38 88.2 Uh in general the idea is that it should be something that is not difficult to use. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 89.75 94.57 Um it's also an item that people lose a lot. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 98.14 100.97 And, of course, it should be something 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 94.57 98.14 So we should address that. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 101.96 104.16 s s that is very simple to use. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 113.43 116.76 or like she says put some sizzle into it in one way or another 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 105.56 113.43 In addition to that to make it sell, of course, uh the marketing manager w wishes that it be very attractive 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 123.21 130.04 that's a very important fact, 'cause um if they say, well, I go home and think about it, that won't work. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 117.77 123.21 so that the people are buying it now because, in particular with smaller items,
IS1009c H00 FIE088 130.79 137.5 Um also mentioned was it should be uh it should have a very short learning curve. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 138.68 143.15 And maybe it could be sold by using a slogan. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 144.08 144.21 Hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 144.86 151.56 Our technical manager has then said that she feels it should have a chip 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 153.03 160.34 that has infra-red bits and it has an interface controls w interface that controls the chip. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 161.41 166.36 Therefore, messages uh will be controlled in the same manner. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 170.55 172.65 If too many buttons are pressed, 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 166.36 170.55 There should be extra features like lid buttons, maybe a beep. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 173.85 183.87 mm uh uh child lock um and uh maybe a display clock so that people could um 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 188.18 191.44 Also mentioned was uh maybe different shapes. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 184.93 188.18 you could see the time, you know, what show they want to watch. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 193.38 203.55 So the components of the thing should be button, bulbs, infra infra-red bulbs, battery, chips, wires, and maybe some kind of a holder 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 204.68 208.54 uh for the for the uh item. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 210.26 222.13 Francino who is our um interface designer um uh has mentioned that the that it,
IS1009c H00 FIE088 222.13 228.56 of course, should have an on-off button, and also has mentioned an interesting feature that it should have maybe a channel lock. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 213.74 214.88 Interface designer. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 240.93 243.26 And maybe have an anar alarm-clock. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 235.61 236.83 It should be compact. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 230.09 235.61 Particularly with maybe small children that they couldn't uh watch a channel that is undesirable. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 236.83 240.93 Her personal favourite was it should be T-shaped. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 243.26 247.94 And the material should possibly be not of non-allergic nature. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 250.22 256.99 Uh the different systems uh that exist are infra-red or radio-waves. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 258.04 264.8 Uh maybe it should have uh electri electrici electricity saving feature. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 265.83 277.22 And even possibly a timer to so that people can program their favourite uh uh program on th right from the remote. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 277.31 277.82 Yes. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 284.52 285.08 Okay. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 279.08 284.52 Uh are we all in agreement that that's about what we discussed last time? 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 284.08 284.29 Yeah. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 284.27 284.56 Yes. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 285.99 286.19 Yeah. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 284.68 285.99 Yeah, I think that pretty much is it. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 286.19 286.62 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 286.59 290.94 Okay, then we I'm looking for three presentations. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 290.94 299.75 And uh I don't know whether the order matters much uh, I don't I don't think so, so whoever w wants Yeah, okay. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 297.33 299.26 Okay, I can start first. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 299.97 300.43 Okay. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 305.45 306.74 Now my slide, please. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 307.33 309.2 Okay. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 306.1 307.33 Okay, your slides. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 314.19 315.52 Oh, come on, close already. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 321.45 323.61 And that's number two, right? 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 323.83 324.1 Three. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 324.58 324.83 Three. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 325.8 326.67 Participant three. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 328.02 328.41 Yes. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 335.7 336 Okay. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 337.53 337.75 Okay. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 341.96 347.11 how the remote looks like so that it is sellable, it is attractive to customers. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 337.56 341.96 Now as an interface designer, I would give more emphasis on the interface,
IS1009c H01 FIO087 349.04 350.03 Next, please. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 351.7 356.89 Now the function of a remote is to send messages to the television. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 356.89 367.77 This messages could be uh switch on-off message or switch to next channel message or swapping the channels or switching onto a particular channel,
IS1009c H01 FIO087 367.77 371.25 like you can have the numbers one, two, three, four, up to nine. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 351.32 351.7 Okay. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 373.38 373.92 Nine what? 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 373.92 376.33 Nine channel uh switches? 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 377.33 377.69 Pardon me? 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 379.11 379.95 Is Yeah. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 379.95 381 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 377.96 379.11 Nine channel switches? 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 381 381.29 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 379.14 380.91 Yes, nine numbers. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 382.97 393.13 And then you have swapping of uh button by which using which you can swap the channels if you don't want to see the third channel you can swap it to the fourth channel or vice versa. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 386.19 386.65 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 395.8 406.85 Then it should have a next button, and next button channel by which you can keep on uh v uh mm eh scrolling the channels one by one. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 406.85 407.93 Next slide, please. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 402.87 404.07 Going to the nex next. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 402.95 403.4 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 405.29 405.61 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 408.02 408.35 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 410.4 415.93 Then you should have a button which should which ca which can be used for increasing or decreasing the volume. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 416.14 416.57 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 418.1 424.59 Then, there should be a button which can give subtitles for a particular program which is going on a television. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 424.59 430.76 For example, if you are watching a French program and you would like to have a subtitles in English 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 430.76 439.69 then there should be a channel which can trigger this mechanism in the television so that the user can see uh the the subtitles on the screen. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 430.74 431.07 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 447.67 453.03 colour of the picture, the contrast, sharpness, brightness of the picture. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 441.93 447.67 Then there should d uh there should be some buttons which can control features like the colour,
IS1009c H01 FIO087 456.77 458.73 Now there should be a memory switch. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 473.01 482.36 but he he can reduce the sound, he can bring the volume down and he can watch he can uh while talking he can watch the T. V. . 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 482.36 488.84 Now the most important feature I would like to have in my remote would be the speech recognition feature. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 462.72 464.72 There should be a mute button. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 464.72 473.01 Suddenly if if if uh uh viewer he gets a telephone call, and if he want he doesn't want to switch off the uh T. V. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 490.45 495.72 It's an integrated progra programmable sample sensor speaker unit. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 498.52 507.09 So a remote can be th can be uh designed which can have the voice recognisers, you can record your own voice 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 509.48 509.95 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 535.86 539.3 So this is one of the very important feature a remote control can have. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 515.17 521.89 if you want to see we if you want to see the ninth channel if you say just say ninth channel,
IS1009c H01 FIO087 528.11 535.86 So the T. V. will have some recogniser which will recognise the user's voice and accordingly it will change its functionalities. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 510.39 515.17 which can be recognised by as voice recogniser in the television, for example 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 521.89 528.11 uh th now the the uh yeah, the remote will automatically it will switch to the ninth channel. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 524.19 524.51 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 527.63 527.98 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 535 535.66 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 535.66 536 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 541.17 545.27 So this is one one of the interface which can be created. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 546.82 547.17 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 547.2 552.29 A very simple interface which has all the t uh uh important features. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 553.37 554.42 Then, please, next slide. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 553.84 554.54 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 554.54 554.77 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 562.63 568.61 So uh sometimes the user finds it very difficult to recognise which button is for what function and all that. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 575.96 578.1 So can you go on t t uh to the next slide. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 555.73 562.63 Then, these are some of the remotes which are different in shape and colour, but they have many buttons. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 573.6 575.96 Even a kid can use that. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 568.61 573.6 So you can you can design an interface which is very simple, and which is user-friendly. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 562.14 562.64 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 575.77 576.11 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 585.05 592.82 And this has multi-purpose use, it can be used for T. V., it can be used for cable-satellite, it can be used for V. C. R., D. V. D. s and audio. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 579 585.05 Yeah, so this is one of the interface or one of the remote which has this vi voice recogniser. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 584.88 585.29 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 595.19 597.66 And this has in-built voice recogniser. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 601.65 603.35 Can you go on to the next slide? 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 610.14 616.64 Uh this is user-friendly, it's very attractive and uh children can use it as well as they can play with it. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 603.35 610.14 Yeah, now this is an interface for a chil uh for a remote uh uh which a child can use. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 616.64 620.22 And this comes with different colours, different shapes. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 609.9 610.25 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 620.84 620.95 Mm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 626.71 626.97 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 626.92 637.23 And this this uh child uh interface has minimum buttons and all the important uh buttons are there in this small, compact, 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 638.15 640.76 attractive child interface. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 646.55 647.79 Next slide, please. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 656.94 657.85 this. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 647.79 656.94 Now this is a big over-sized remote which cannot be misplaced or it's impossible to misplace. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 656.32 657.48 You don't know me. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 657.48 662.86 I could lose that in a minute. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 667.29 672.5 So this is a jumbo universal remote control and it's impossible to im misplace or lose. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 661.14 667.29 So this is No this is a very big, you cannot misplace it anywhere. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 672.77 673.22 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 673.89 676.48 This i this is one such interface which can be created. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 678.37 689.86 And the personal preference uh would be a spe uh uh to incorporate speech recognisers uh which will respond to user's voice for a particular uh function. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 688.49 688.84 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 690.57 690.76 Right. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 691.97 692.94 Thank you, that's 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 693.53 693.98 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 713.67 716.81 Uh any comments on uh her presentation? 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 711.48 713.67 Okay, thank you very much. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 731.78 740.06 I don't think that we can get uh The T-shape is good, the child one is good, the too big to misplace, I think it's just funny. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 748.14 750.47 It's it's gonna be a little bit too unwieldy. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 720.37 724.94 Well, um looks like we still have quite a choice of things out there. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 724.94 728.92 Um what uh I'm No suggestion's bad. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 740.06 748.14 Um I don't think that's gonna be our impulse purchase at the checkout counter. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 728.92 731.78 But uh we're gonna have to narrow it down a little more. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 724.39 724.67 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 728.73 728.96 Mm yes. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 740.4 742.56 Okay. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 742.29 744.11 Yeah, I I th I think 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 747.79 748.51 Okay. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 751.79 763.2 but uh as far as the decision making we getting to that after after but if I just wanted to know whether anybody had any any anything to add to her presentation. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 749.36 751.79 No, I think the these are her presentations 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 752.07 752.31 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 751.59 752.07 Yeah mm. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 754.76 756.17 Have to come back to that later. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 756.17 756.62 Okay. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 755.64 755.93 We can. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 766.43 766.69 Yeah. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 762.54 766.43 No, I think her presentation was good, and she really explored all the options. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 764.18 764.42 Mm right. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 766.47 767.35 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 767.35 769.47 Ho who wants to go next um? 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 770.14 770.7 Yeah, maybe. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 770.63 770.9 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 770.9 772.26 Okay, and you 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 772.09 772.82 Participant two. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 777.11 777.78 Uh okay. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 778.3 780.1 Uh the next one, sorry. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 780.1 781.22 It's it was the old one. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 779.59 780.01 Oops. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 787.59 788.21 Components. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 788.72 789.47 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 787.6 788.72 The components design. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 789.47 789.96 Okay. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 807.15 809.45 Uh, can you go on to the next slide, please. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 796.98 807.15 Um this time I'm I'm going to um concentrate more on the components and the technical side of the remote controller design. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 803.33 803.94 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 808.35 808.54 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 817.22 824.29 Uh the first one is case to keep all the components like integrated circuit, battery, etcetera, etcetera, it's like 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 810.13 817.22 I have just brief uh down few uh components which we require for the remote control uh construction. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 841.99 843.49 And it should be recyclable. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 829.74 835.49 even if you just uh uh, you know, if you if it falls down, then it doesn't break. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 824.52 829.74 Uh it can be a plastic one, hard plastic, so that it can be strong,
IS1009c H02 FIO084 837.53 841.99 And uh uh there are no harmful materials used in that. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 835.49 837.53 So it should be strong. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 837.36 837.74 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 844.73 845.18 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 845.23 852.3 Uh and uh, yeah, and also uh using of colouring compon components like uh if we want to have different colours,
IS1009c H02 FIO084 852.3 858.23 blue, red, green, so uh uh we have to use uh some colouring compone compone components. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 845.72 846.11 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 846.11 846.54 Good point. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 870.57 879.57 If it is not efficient then everything wi is going to be uh like um the lef ess less efficient so it you should we should have a highly sophisticated one. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 886.88 895.79 it should it should uh be able to re uh resist the uh temperature uh uh highs and uh high temperatures and low temperatures. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 895.79 900.48 And uh it should be with uh um equipped with timer and alarm facility. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 864.44 870.57 Uh which uh we can use a highly sophisticated one because it's like the it's like the heart of the remote controller. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 858.84 864.44 And uh the second important thing is uh uh uh integrated circuit. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 879.57 883.48 And it should be resistant to high as well as uh low temperatures. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 883.48 886.88 Suppose if it is thirty-eight degrees outside forty degrees outside 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 921.06 921.99 capacitor. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 921.99 923.6 Can you go on to the next slide, please? 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 901.4 921.06 And the uh other component we should uh we have in the remote controller is a resistor uh which is like uh uh i it is very very much important for the electricity uh flow through through through the uh remote controller and uh also a capacitor which is a b which is a m I think it's it's like a battery 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 922.16 922.43 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 923.64 924.03 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 926.05 930.19 Uh a diode, a transistor, a resonator 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 936.92 941.09 A battery uh, I would like to suggest one thing uh if we 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 930.19 936.92 these are all this uh technical uh electri electronic compons uh components which are which we have to use in a remote controller. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 954.34 956.28 It it it's not a high voltage battery. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 941.62 950.16 uh if we will be able to make a res rechargeable battery then we sh we need not go for a high performance battery 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 950.16 954.34 even if it is a low performance battery it ca it can't l it can't charge much. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 956.28 960.94 Then also we can If it is a rechargeable one, then uh people can use it for a long time,
IS1009c H02 FIO084 960.94 967.48 so in that way we can cut cut the cost, but w uh uh that we have to make the battery as rechargeable one. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 950.04 950.38 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 974.46 977.54 And how it works, how the remote controller works. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 977.54 978.52 When you press a button 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 972.15 974.46 Can you go to the next slide, please. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 968.32 972.15 And we we have a circuit board uh in a remote controller. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 984.52 984.89 Go away. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 987.14 989.82 Uh when you press a button, when you do that 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1013.97 1017.7 It pros produces a mors morse code line signal specific to that button. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1006.04 1013.97 Suppose you have pressed channel one button, number one you have pressed, then the uh chip will know that the number one button was pressed. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 989.82 997.92 you complete a specific connection that means when you when you press a button there will be a s a small circuit underneath the button,
IS1009c H02 FIO084 986.39 987.14 Thank you. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 997.92 1006.04 and it will send some signals through the wires, and then uh the chip will send start connection and knows that which button is pressed. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1018.28 1021.81 Every button, every individual button, has its own morse code. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1038.96 1042.47 Like you have got a signal by pressing a button. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1042.47 1046.33 That's a d a morse code has been generated by the integrated circuit. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1021.81 1031.51 Suppose uh the uh user has pressed butto button one, then it will have a spe the circuit will generate a specific morse code to b that that button 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1031.51 1038.96 and the transistor will amplify the signal and send then to the L. E. D. which translates the signal into infrared light. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1054.49 1062.05 It will amplify the signal and it will send it to the L. E. D. and which translates the signal into an infra infrared bits. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1078.71 1081 Then it will do the appropriate action. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1050.88 1054.49 That is the use of transist transistor we which we use in the remote controller. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1062.05 1069.14 The sensor on the T. V. can see the infrared light, and seeing the signal seeing the signal re it reacts appropriately,
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1081 1084.06 So uh this is how the remote controller works. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1046.9 1050.88 Now, that signal, that morse code, has to be amplified by the transistor. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1069.14 1078.71 that when it sees the amplified mo morse code signal, then it will uh it will uh know which uh what what action it has to uh do. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1083.82 1084.16 It works. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1086.08 1087.39 Can you go to the next slide, please. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1096.02 1097.75 And to the next slide, please. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1089.5 1096.02 When you look at the uh um remote controller uh it's it's it this is a normal remote controller. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1088.18 1089.5 Yeah, I have few pictures. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1095.56 1095.83 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1112.06 1122.52 and also a capac uh a capacitor, three resistors and also a resonator uh um mm yeah, and di and a diode transistor. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1101.76 1107.81 And uh if you open the remote controller you have this circui circuit board and few electronic components 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1099.16 1101.76 And where we had a a few buttons and all. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1107.81 1112.06 like you can see a chip there which is having eighteen pins,
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1106.15 1106.45 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1109.75 1110.09 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1110.14 1110.38 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1123.59 1123.83 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1124.09 1131.65 The electronic components uh all of the electronic components have all those uh things like a chip and d diode transistors an 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1134.11 1141.56 Yeah, di um can y uh you can see the T. A. double one eight three five labelled uh chip um. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1138.92 1140.15 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1140.15 1140.46 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1139.58 1140.05 Mm yes. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1140.8 1141.08 Yes. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1149.4 1156.95 and uh just beside that you can see a transistor, and a uh uh cylinder shape, uh that one is a capacitor. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1156.95 1162.36 Uh and also there are uh um resistors uh sorry, ther there is a diode. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1142.74 1149.4 Uh you can also see the uh uh the green two green things are uh these are they are they are resistors,
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1162.36 1163.86 Can you go go on to the next slide. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1149.28 1149.71 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1163.03 1163.34 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1161.97 1163.03 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1178.5 1184.89 because uh uh when you when you are building uh some circuits some um uh circuits and also wires,
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1175.06 1178.5 Uh it's it costs less than what you print on a paper 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1168.61 1175.06 Actually, uh building a circuit bo board is pretty pretty uh easy and also it's a it's a l l inexpensive. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1184.89 1193.11 it's it's better to go for printing, because uh you can build these kind of k circuit boards on a on a bulk and it's just printing,
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1164.98 1166.63 So uh this is the circuit board. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1201.32 1205.31 Tha tho those prints will acti act as wires and ci uh circuits. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1196.07 1198.42 It's not exactly wires we are using. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1166.63 1168.61 The green one is a circuit board. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1198.42 1201.32 It's just printing something on a board. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1193.11 1196.07 nothing like uh, you know, you don't need to use wires and all. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1193.38 1193.76 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1209.79 1217.09 and also you can see uh there are b s like uh um access for buttons, like when you press a button 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1229.29 1230.67 Can you go to the next slide, please. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1206.71 1209.79 So th that green uh thing is a circuit board,
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1217.09 1227.49 the circuit under the button will be activated uh th it will it will he get some signals from it and it will uh it will ch its ch se send a signal signals to the,
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1227.49 1229.29 yeah, um integrated circuit. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1224.56 1225 Transmit. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1235.28 1237.81 Uh can you see the black uh, round marks? 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1237.81 1239.04 They they are the circuits. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1231.24 1235.28 Uh so this is these are the circuits un underneath the buttons. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1237.53 1237.84 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1237.83 1238.13 Yes. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1279.68 1285.34 So that also we can have in a battery, uh or we can use solar sells. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1273.06 1279.68 um a kinetic provision of energy, more than what is that you shake casually to provide energy. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1285.34 1285.81 Uh. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1260.04 1266.66 Like for s scrolls we have to go for a sophisticated and and k uh uh uh full a complete chip. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1266.66 1273.06 Uh and a as energy source we offer a basic battery, a more ingenious uh hard dynamo,
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1239.98 1241.13 Next, please. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1241.13 1250.76 And um like uh we have uh designed uh before we have seen some uh few things like instead off buttons we have some scrolls. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1250.76 1260.04 Uh b but a b a push-button requires a simple chip underneath it, but whereas a scroll wheel requires normally a regular chip which is a higher price range. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1259.97 1260.27 Okay. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1263.61 1263.83 Okay. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1285.3 1286.54 Hmm, that's interesting. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1287.33 1287.58 Yeah. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1293.58 1301.24 Uh usually, the cases and card flat that w we see usually uh d uh a normal remote controller. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1301.24 1301.61 Um. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1289.93 1293.58 Uh yeah uh the product can be de delivered into different cases. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1297.17 1297.47 Okay. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1302.83 1304.08 Okay. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1305.22 1307.39 Uh we have five minutes to the end of the meeting. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1304.08 1305.22 And you have more pictures. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1303.58 1303.93 Yeah. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1310.29 1310.79 Um. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1306.72 1310.29 Yeah, maybe d uh I have just one more slide, I think. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1318.05 1325.83 Um and also for electronics we can use a simple and regular um re or an advanced chip on the print 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1329.75 1335.92 Um yeah the uh for the movie just to j develop uh samples and so spe sample speaker. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1325.83 1329.75 um also infra it includes the infrared se sender. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1312.14 1318.05 Like we can have a ma material such as plastic, rubber, wood, titanium, but titanium we can't use. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1337.16 1338.3 An Yeah, that's it. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1339.22 1340.42 It's all for me now, thank you. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1340.33 1341.13 Okay, well thank you. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1342.48 1345.77 Any particular comments by anybody? 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1346.48 1352.75 Uh yeah, on the scroll and the push-button, um ca you can achieve scrolling by repeatedly pushing a button? 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1373.25 1373.96 Yeah. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1371.72 1373.25 Yeah uh yeah, push-buttons. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1367.83 1371.72 So I think it's better we go for uh um ordinary buttons. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1353.52 1359.67 No, no, no, th the the the scrolling wheels are different, like you can go for a sw switches like buttons or scrolls,
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1363.26 1367.83 Now, nobody uses that because you need you need a a k sophisticated chip and all. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1359.67 1363.26 uh which which we used to do before ten ten years before, I think. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1373.96 1374.38 Yeah. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1359.27 1359.63 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1368.34 1368.52 Um. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1374.42 1374.69 Okay. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1371.09 1374.42 We'll just go for push buttons for in the interest of cost. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1372.41 1373.1 Push-buttons. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1374.98 1382.69 We don't have a lot of time left and we will still have to make a decision, and the marketing expert has to present her her thing. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1381.16 1381.88 Okay. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1381.88 1383.48 Go right to my first my next slide. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1383.83 1384.86 Uh okay. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1494.81 1499.39 And in my research this year I found out that fruit and vegetable shapes are really popular. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1438.39 1443.55 and they want um as few buttons as possible, and they don't care for the mode thing. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1426.85 1430.16 Um people like something that really fits in their hand. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1421.48 1426.85 Um and my findings from this is that, you know, small is beautiful. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1402.22 1407.93 I s I spend a lot of time on the internet um surfing around doing the same thing. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1468.4 1473.54 And we should develop one or two features we can really dwell on in our ad campaign. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1430.16 1431.44 Simple is beautiful. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1451.45 1457.82 Um and our preference is, as far as I'm concerned, are we got to get to the market before the competition. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1462.5 1468.4 so that we have a leg up on time to sell it and push it before other people get out their Christmas item. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1503.24 1509.82 They are more back into soft feel, spongy feeling things, things with maybe a little cloth on them. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1443.55 1445.58 They want each button to do something. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1418.86 1421.48 And I would encourage you all to do the same. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1407.93 1413.46 And then when I'm out um in people's houses or at meetings or anything like that,
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1395.91 1402.22 so I've really been looking at the press and the ads that are out there for other remote controllers. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1446.76 1449.23 It's gotta look cute, it's gotta look appealing. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1480.32 1488.72 So we've gotta narrow our selection down to li two things, I think, that we gonna say are really great about our our our new product. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1488.72 1494.81 And I've been looking around um at what designs every year different things are popular. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1431.44 1438.39 They don't want to have to squint at small print um, they want buttons whose functions are obvious,
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1499.39 1503.24 And people are tired of hard plastic and hard metal. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1413.46 1418.86 I try to notice what kind of remote controls people have, and if it's convenient in the conversation I ask about it. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1509.82 1514.7 So those are things maybe we wanna look at as far as saleability of the item. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1449.23 1451.45 Go ahead, I'm trying to finish fast for you. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1473.54 1480.32 If we try to tell people it has too many great features, um the consumer just gets confused and we don't get anywhere. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1386.41 1395.91 Um alright, my method is uh I'm interested in what the competition is doing, and wanna see how we can make ourselves different from the competition 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1457.82 1462.5 Ours has to be look really great and it has to come out before the others 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1445.58 1446.76 And eye-catching is important. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1429.75 1430.06 'Kay. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1514.93 1515.28 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1517.17 1518.2 Okay. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1518.2 1520.29 Uh that 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1524.85 1532.03 And what we really have to decide in this meeting is um the concept of the remote. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1522 1524.85 concludes the presentation of everyone. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1532.45 1532.84 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1533.62 1540.15 And uh so what do we think on the concept 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1541.12 1541.94 of the remote? 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1545.19 1548.97 You wanna try to come back to yours, and limit yours a bit? 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1547.66 1551.84 Uh yes, I would like to include this feature which is called as voice recogniser. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1547.99 1548.78 Y 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1552.18 1553.61 Okay. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1553.61 1554.46 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1552.21 1552.54 Okay. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1554.5 1554.81 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1556.31 1559.45 So speech recognition is most important as far as you're concerned? 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1559.51 1559.8 Yeah, but w 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1559.94 1562.54 This could be uh one feature which could be sellable. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1562.76 1565.29 Yeah h that could that could that could be our star feature. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1565.29 1567.93 That that be really good, yeah, I agree with that. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1563.53 1563.74 Yeah. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1563.7 1564.55 I think that's 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1572.87 1578.09 because a speech recogniser like i it it has its own uh uh problems, issues. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1566.82 1572.87 Yeah, but but I what I'm uh very very much doubtful how how uh far it will work,
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1566.99 1567.43 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1577.14 1578.17 Distance problem? 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1578.56 1581.96 Yeah, it's not distance problem it it's recognising a person's voice,
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1581.96 1587.44 like maybe different people will be having different voices, so it like it's uh everything so i 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1580.06 1580.37 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1584.87 1585.27 Uh. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1586.54 1589.29 Well, you you teach You have to teach uh 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1588.75 1593.24 So to get a good recogni recognising system, it's a costly thing, I think. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1591.21 1598.44 No, it's it's, uh yeah, it it's like your recording of uh all uh um a question already,
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1617.56 1620.29 It will recognise my voice and will switch on. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1602.29 1609.92 I'm the user and my family members are the user, I will already record uh a question like,
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1614.38 1617.56 So I'll say just good morning and the T. V. will switch on. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1609.92 1614.38 uh good morning, like around eight o'clock I want to see the news in the television. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1598.44 1602.29 and then you're expecting an answer from th For example, you have a T. V. system,
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1603.38 1603.72 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1607.27 1608.14 Yeah, but Yeah. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1608.9 1609.19 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1613.06 1613.4 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1617.23 1617.66 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1619.41 1619.69 Yeah. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1626.07 1628.97 What kind of energy do we foresee? 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1619.98 1626.07 Okay, before we get too far off here um, the components of the concept is the energy. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1630.36 1633.63 I think I think battery, and I think we all agreed on that. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1633.63 1636.59 That that's that's gonna be most cost-effective and the best thing. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1631.75 1632.19 Battery. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1630.6 1631.75 Battery. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1631.84 1632.03 Battery. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1633.76 1634.1 Yes. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1635.15 1635.56 Yeah. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1634.35 1635.15 Yeah. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1636.99 1639.26 Okay then chip on print. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1639.36 1639.77 Yeah. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1639.78 1640.01 Yep. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1640 1640.32 Yes. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1640.48 1641.76 Okay. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1641.76 1642.67 And the case. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1642.67 1647.56 And I think we all agree on the case, we wanna have something uh maybe bright, colourful. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1647.65 1648.1 Yeah. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1648.16 1652.3 Bright, colourful, trendy trendy design, and strong. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1648.81 1649.7 And compact. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1649.14 1650.21 And also strong. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1650.87 1652.05 Trendy, yeah. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1651.19 1652.9 Trendy design and compact. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1653.08 1653.48 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1654.79 1657.39 Trendy design, compact and strong. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1657.31 1657.79 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1657.46 1657.93 Yes. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1660.28 1666.45 User interface concept, uh interface type, supplements. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1669.6 1672.5 That will be your area I think, right, Jana. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1670.1 1670.49 Uh. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1674.28 1678.85 Um like the switches, like we use buttons for user interface. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1678.85 1679.54 Push-buttons. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1679.51 1682.27 Put uh k I guess uh for yeah. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1679.92 1680.5 Push-buttons. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1685.19 1686.35 And 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1687.22 1689.21 Not sure what they mean by supplements. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1687.91 1688.09 And 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1689.26 1689.46 Yeah. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1689.45 1690.7 Well, I think that 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1689.78 1696.57 Supplements like different types of features buttons, like can have a f mute button or a swapping button. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1692.64 1696.94 Yeah, or or like her speech recognition would also be a supplement. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1696.94 1699.28 Her speech recognition feature would be a supplement. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1693.17 1693.82 Oh, like 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1694.98 1695.29 Oh. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1697.01 1698.02 A what? 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1698.02 1699.23 Right, right, right, mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1698.39 1699.39 Recogniser. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1699.39 1699.85 Yes. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1698.96 1699.37 Mm yeah. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1700.12 1707.26 Okay, so why don't we put down speech recognition if possible pending some more research from our industrial engineer on how expensive that is. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1703.14 1703.26 Hmm. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1706.32 1707.23 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1707.23 1707.44 Yeah. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1707.41 1707.91 Right. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1707.57 1707.98 Yes. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1711.6 1712.59 Okay. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1712.59 1716.54 Uh our next meeting will be in thirty minutes,
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1716.54 1726.85 and the uh I. D. is to this is the individual actions to be taken until then, to have the look and feel design, 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1728.71 1737.24 and uh the U. I. D. is supposed to uh come up with the user interface design, 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1737.76 1738.11 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1738.47 1743.01 and the marketing expert with the product evaluation. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1752.88 1758.09 You will receive specific instructions will be sent to you by your coaches. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1743.01 1752.88 In this phase, the two of you, Jana and Francine, have to work together on a prototype using modelling clay, it says here. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1742.36 1742.8 Okay. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1748.75 1749.26 Okay. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1753.49 1753.58 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1758.32 1758.88 Okay. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1759.54 1771.11 Um if you have any questions, you know, you you can always uh contact me um or uh or your coach, I suppose. 
IS1009c H03 FIO089 1769.12 1774.06 Wherever they're hiding? 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1773.27 1783.98 Um so um I think we conclude the meeting here and we come back in uh uh thirty minutes, according to our timetable here. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1781.33 1781.58 Yeah. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1781.41 1781.77 Okay. 
IS1009c H00 FIE088 1787.52 1788.32 Thank you very much. 
IS1009c H02 FIO084 1788.31 1789.19 Thank you. 
IS1009c H01 FIO087 1788.37 1788.85 Thank you. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 39.38 41.33 Well hi everyone again. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 41.27 41.56 Hello. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 41.31 41.55 Hello. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 41.82 42.25 Hello 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 43.24 54.4 Um like before we uh I have to redo the meetings from n th the minutes from the last meeting and so here we go. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 50.89 51.34 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 55.91 64.64 Uh it was discussed in the last meeting uh which was opened by the presentation from the interface um 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 65.64 66.87 Designer. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 79.03 89.79 It should have nine channel buttons, a next button, volume buttons, subtitle buttons, switch to control features, colour contrast, sharpness etcetera. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 65.67 79.03 designer that uh looks would be very important on this new remote and um it is to send messages of course to the T. V. . 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 94.35 106.53 Uh speech recognition is one of her very f favourite personal uh features she would like see d d to be integrated in this um in this new remote. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 90.2 94.35 It should have a memory switch, a mute button in case the telephone rings or something. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 106.53 107.8 Um. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 110.91 120.13 Should be child friendly design with few buttons, colourful maybe with s star shaped or other shaped buttons. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 120.13 129.26 Um she uh presented also an oversized remote which she guarantees nobody will ever be able to lose. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 130.37 130.96 Um 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 130.37 135.22 And she was challenged on that point 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 132.17 133.32 that's right. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 132.27 134.57 Yes. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 134.85 144.1 But uh her very f personal favourite really she, she would very much like to see a speech recogniser integrated in this remote. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 144.1 153.15 The industrial designer um presented her uh thoughts on the issue. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 153.15 164.38 She would like a special case made out of plastic that is very strong, not using any harmful materials, should be recyclable and should be colourful. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 165.64 171.16 Should have an integrated circuit board that's highly sophisticated and temperature resistant. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 172.84 180.1 She would like to see a timer and or alarm facility integrated. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 180.1 191.44 Uh technically this thing would also have a resistor and a capacitor, diode transistor, resonator, and if possible a rechargeable battery. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 192.63 194.71 Uh and of course a circuit board. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 198.52 220.01 the chip is morse morse code related relays the uh to the generat to the generator amplification and uh the circuit board is very inexpensive to build and so she thinks this is a great feature uh to to to consider. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 195.99 198.52 And how it would works, you press the button 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 215.46 215.73 Okay. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 222.16 226.96 She would like uh this whole thing should be push buttons with a simple chip 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 228.04 232.64 uh scrolling method is more expensive and not that practical anymore. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 233.84 238.91 Should be battery operated and of course she would have the special cases. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 251.46 262.73 has done some research on the internet and also has used h her personal observations to come up with the fact that such a remote sh should be small, 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 240.4 251.46 The marketing expert uh who has to finally come up with to to to market this product has been watching the competition,
IS1009d H00 FIE088 264.31 266.54 easy to use and it should be eye catching. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 270.36 277.45 From her point of view of course one of the most important facts is that we should get to market before our competition does. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 280.58 290.57 To do that uh maybe one or two features should be developed on which we could dwell on or in other words on which our campaign could be built on. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 292.13 296.97 Too many new features or too many points would only confuse matter. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 296.97 301.49 So we prefer to have one or two features that can be really uh driven home. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 302.88 309.16 Um it should have a fruit and vegetable design and should have a soft feel. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 309.16 311.26 She feels that's really what people want today. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 312.93 320.97 And the decision that we took last time was that uh the special feature we would like to see is a speech recogniser, 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 322.18 331.89 the energy should be battery uh should be on a chip, should be trendy design, compact and strong, and should have buttons. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 333.25 337.98 And that concludes the presentation from the last minutes from the last meeting. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 340.72 345.35 Now uh we are ready for the presentation of the prototype. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 347.27 347.44 Yeah. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 348.81 351.12 Just the look like, the button part I'll explain. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 347.73 348.81 Yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 351.32 351.57 Yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 381.47 384.29 Uh and also compact in shape. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 356.25 359.39 Uh so this is our what uh we have made. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 384.29 391.28 Uh um and also i it it will be easily fit into into the hands and you can access all the buttons easily. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 363.76 381.47 Uh this is us in a snail shape so uh it it is attractive um and it's it's blue in colour uh bright and uh it has yellow buttons and all the different colour buttons so it is a uh uh a looks-wise it is beautiful. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 359.39 363.76 This is a model of the remote control which we are going to build. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 363.39 363.7 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 366.74 367.11 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 372.4 372.79 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 377.8 378.07 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 381.16 381.43 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 383.89 384.22 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 388.95 389.28 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 391.48 392.09 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 392.09 392.98 Good. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 393 396.65 Yeah, oops, sorry. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 395.02 400.24 You used to have all the buttons 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 398.28 413.01 Um yeah and um uh the material which we are going to use for the case is uh plastic and uh w which which is s strong um uh and also uh for the 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 414.45 424.26 Um the material is plastic and uh for the buttons it is uh s soft rubber um and als yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 424.26 429.99 Yeah because uh uh you'll be touching the buttons more so it is soft when you touch it. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 422.28 424.51 Oh that's good, no, that's nice and friendly. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 427.43 427.68 Mm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 426.89 427.43 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 429.22 430.23 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 429.5 429.92 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 430.39 433.32 And then um uh for the for the led 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 433.32 442.39 for the light emitting diode it is a fluorescent green and it's a a it is a bulb like an ordinary infrared. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 434.93 435.27 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 436.74 437.16 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 444.13 448.78 And and the button button's part uh will be explained by F Francina. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 449.7 455.42 Now the um we decided upon including certain features on our remote. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 455.42 465.64 Now these features includes the s um signal emitting uh signal it's the led or L. E. D. the infrared. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 465.64 469.58 Now uh we have included the switch on and off button. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 448.91 449.7 Okay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 449.1 449.52 Okay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 462.89 463.97 Yeah, okay, mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 463.31 464.36 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 470.22 471.22 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 473.12 477.03 Now we have included another feature that is the mute button 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 479.57 480.36 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 481.12 483.63 on the side of the model. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 483.63 487.67 Then we have included one to nine buttons 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 483.18 483.51 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 488.9 491.9 for controlling the programmes the different channels. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 494.39 495.9 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 497.51 502.64 We have also included two buttons for increasing or decreasing the volume. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 506.23 506.93 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 507.38 512.94 And we have also included two buttons for scrolling up and scrolling down the programme channels. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 516.52 516.76 Mm. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 516.9 521.36 Now our our model also contains a button which is called as the menu button. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 521.78 522.53 What kind of button? 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 522.59 523.37 Menu button. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 523.67 523.99 Menu? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 523.99 526 Uh menu th menu, uh one one. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 524.16 525.02 Yes, menu 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 524.41 525.14 Menu button. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 526.13 526.95 At the centre 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 527.67 528.09 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 528.36 536.49 we have included a button which is fluorescent green colour and this is the menu button which will control the colour, sharpness, brightness 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 537.24 538.28 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 539.02 539.69 Mm, mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 538.28 539.02 Of the screen. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 538.96 540.05 of this uh picture. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 543 547.09 We have also included a button which is called as the swapping button. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 548.54 553.07 Now this is uh a special, special feature which we have included. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 553.07 553.79 Now this button 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 565.91 569.16 if it is turned towards the right it will take to the next channel. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 555.25 565.91 is an elongated shaped button and this is slightly flexible so if it is turned towards the right it will take to the previous channel 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 570.45 573.53 It will take the user to the previous and the next channel so this is a 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 576.62 577.55 swapping button. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 580.41 584.17 The next channel in the numeric pattern, or 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 594.2 594.57 Yes. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 593.16 594.2 this button. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 584.28 593.16 swapping is if if example you're you're watching the second channel and then you go to the tenth channel and if you want to go back to the second channel you can swap 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 584.12 584.28 No 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 587.78 588.33 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 590.61 590.83 Mm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 593.76 594.85 Okay, okay. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 599.19 609.01 And at the end, it this remote has inbuilt voice recogniser which c which will recognise the user's voice and then it'll act accordingly. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 604.16 604.29 Okay. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 607.11 607.41 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 612.53 613.09 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 617.73 619.87 Now the marketing expert has to 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 614.77 617.73 So this is our proposed model. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 614.87 615.29 Okay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 617.29 617.57 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 620.3 621.28 Tell, yeah. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 621.2 627.96 give her suggestion whether it'll be sellable or it'll be cost effective. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 628.21 629.82 Okay, well um 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 635.79 642.61 that you can really hold it in one h you don't need two hands and it's easily reachable even for somebody with a small hand, yeah? 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 631.12 635.79 what what I really like a lot about it is that you can reach the whole thing with one thumb,
IS1009d H01 FIO087 635.32 636.28 Yes, yes. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 637.66 638 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 642.79 644.8 Yes the buttons are all raised, right? 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 645.11 652.46 The buttons are all raised and if you hold it in the centre of your hand you can even reach it over here so you don't have to turn it around,
IS1009d H03 FIO089 656.53 661.94 You really did a good job on that, my little designers. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 661.94 669.48 Um and um I like the idea that the on-off button is in a really prominent place. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 669.48 671.18 That's that's a really good good thing. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 652.46 656.53 turn it upside down, move it up, up and down, I really like that. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 645.27 645.41 Yes. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 645.66 646.51 Are raised, mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 649.7 650.04 Right. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 653.17 655.22 Or have two hands to operate it, yeah. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 656.85 657.11 Mm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 656.9 657.14 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 670.81 678.08 Yes, and it sort of sticks up so that you really you don't have to g first go like oh yeah here it's on and yeah, mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 672.2 673.46 Yeah, that's great. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 674.88 675.22 Hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 675.92 676.36 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 676.33 676.94 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 676.84 677.88 Abs okay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 680.08 686.33 Um the um these buttons uh around here are the mute 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 677.86 680.08 The colour's very attractive. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 687.45 692.36 No, these the front buttons which are here, are the mute buttons. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 692.36 693.23 Yes, yes. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 687.59 690.52 and these mm-hmm 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 691.59 693.14 On both sides they're mute? 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 693.14 695.19 So you can push either one? 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 695.19 695.61 Okay. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 694.4 694.82 Yes. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 695.7 698.06 So if you're left-handed or right-handed it doesn't matter. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 699.48 703.93 This brings the menu up on the screen and the orange ones are 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 697.03 699.48 And this brings the menu up on the screen? 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 699.16 699.48 Pardon me? 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 699.86 701.47 This is the menu yes, yes. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 704.04 712.61 A the the these these two are th to increase or decrease the volumes, and these two are to uh scroll the programme channels. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 708.12 708.61 Okay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 712.1 713.87 F f okay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 713.87 714.89 Right, very good. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 714.08 715.69 Scroll up or scroll down the channels. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 715.89 718.43 Uh it looks mm looks like something I can sell. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 721.04 724.1 Okay and now I'm supposed to yeah. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 722.55 728.83 Well, I have one question uh will there be anything written on the buttons,
IS1009d H00 FIE088 728.83 733.8 like that people know, or they have to learn that from a piece of paper which button does what? 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 733.84 740.01 Yes, it will have uh these buttons will have the numbers and all the rest of the buttons will have symbols. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 740.01 742.03 Yes, which can be easily recognised. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 734.11 734.46 Ah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 735.22 736.05 Yeah, definitely. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 739.33 744.57 Will have symbols so that that that the user really knows you know and doesn't have to first learn it 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 740.48 740.64 Yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 740.51 741.38 Yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 741.38 741.59 Yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 742.46 742.95 Yeah. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 742.93 743.28 Yes. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 743.52 743.87 Yeah. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 743.73 749.71 Good point because we need the symbols 'cause we're going into an international market we can't have anything that's language dependent. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 744.74 745.12 Yes. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 746.14 747.75 Yeah of course, and also 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 747.97 748.2 Yes. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 748.42 748.65 Hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 749.76 756.13 But anyway it would ha i i i it has to have some kind of of symbols, text or something so that people kn 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 748.93 749.76 Yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 749.34 749.72 Yeah. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 749.88 749.97 Yes. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 751.61 752.53 Yeah we can 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 753.56 754.47 Symbols on it. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 754.47 755.44 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 753.89 754.32 Text. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 754.68 755.18 Yes. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 760.79 761.33 Yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 755.41 760.79 Text that we can have on the case itself, we can it will be printed on the case and symbols as well as the buttons. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 757.69 758.17 Yes. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 757.72 758.05 That's right. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 758.1 758.33 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 759.24 761.55 Okay, yeah just wanted make sure of that mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 760.05 760.45 And 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 767.3 768.08 A shell shape. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 761.28 767.3 and one more feature is we we have a holder for this remote which is an oyster shape. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 761.58 762.17 Mm, 'kay, mm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 765.04 765.41 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 790.32 790.93 So 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 773.58 788.88 Well you know I think we could do something really funny with this too because the snail is known to be slow and we could have some sort of little comic effect on our marketing about how this is a rapid snail or something like that you know that would 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 771.67 773.58 He goes right back into his shell. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 768.55 771.67 For the snail, yeah, mm-hmm, we have the snail shell. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 788.88 790.32 that would really work. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 769.27 770 Right, mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 769.28 770.26 Yes, yes. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 769.42 769.72 Yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 770.42 773.18 So it is yeah, yeah shell. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 770.93 772.24 Yes, snail shell. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 770.97 771.11 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 772.92 773.31 Yes. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 773.28 773.56 Right. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 778.3 778.67 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 784.18 784.51 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 784.48 784.65 Mm. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 786.78 788.22 Y Yes 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 786.99 789.21 Yeah, of course, yeah. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 793.29 797.18 That's really the voice recognition that's really unusual 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 790.05 793.29 Now what, what are our special features for the marketing? 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 796.32 802.57 I think voice recognition is our big selling point 'cause nobody else seems to have that in in this price range. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 799.16 799.6 Mm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 799.6 799.92 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 801.03 801.25 Mm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 802.76 809.37 And then, and then the other thing would basically be sh shape or practicality of use. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 809.81 815.79 Yep uh well I think that everybody's gonna say their remote control is practical. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 821.28 823.31 We're really gonna have the be the 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 815.79 821.28 I think we have to, we have to dwell on on on the appearance. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 811.09 811.59 You know. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 816.95 817.85 Colours. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 820.76 821.13 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 824.15 824.65 Cutest. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 837.13 837.62 The look 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 835.55 837.13 I think those are the two things to push. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 827.08 835.55 So I think we have to play with the image, play with the snail image um play with the visual and then the voice recognition. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 824.45 827.08 cutest remote control on the block. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 826.51 826.76 Mm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 826.94 827.1 Yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 835.61 835.99 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 838.97 840.11 and the voice recognition. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 840.11 841.85 They're gonna be our two selling points. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 842.93 845.75 Okay, now uh having said that 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 845.56 847.61 I'm supposed to make a little presentation, aren't I? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 848.64 852.97 No, now this was our evaluation criteria which we uh just have done. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 852.97 855.76 Now we're gonna talk about financing. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 851.4 852.43 Okay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 856.63 862.59 Ah, but in my instructions I think it said I was supposed to go to the board and do something. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 862.59 862.75 No? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 861.84 864.37 Well, there is a production evaluation. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 864.37 864.85 Is that you? 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 865.17 865.66 Yeah, that's me. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 868.09 868.72 See? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 866.04 868.09 But that's after the financing. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 868.72 869.29 Fi see? 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 867.44 868.22 Oh, okay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 868.22 870.76 Sorry, sorry. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 870.76 870.88 Mm-mm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 873.09 873.9 Um. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 875.39 879.96 Okay, we had looks and voice recognition. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 886.86 894.4 Okay uh energy source we say that's battery, right? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 879.96 886.86 Okay now on the financing we bring up the mm there it is. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 894.86 895.17 Mm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 895.56 895.98 That's right. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 896.37 897.62 Okay, now. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 900.85 902.81 So we I guess we use one. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 903.74 904.05 Yeah. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 904.16 904.59 Yes. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 906.02 906.43 What? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 913.58 914.46 Well, that's nice. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 909.83 913.58 T cell or chart you are trying to change is protected. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 915.3 918.13 She told me I could just ch change it here and then it would 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 919.13 919.84 It doesn't work. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 922.01 922.4 Hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 924.77 926.77 Can you just fill it in in the yellow boxes? 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 926.77 927.31 Or 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 927.31 929.79 Oh, okay yeah, okay, let's see. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 939.18 942.26 Uh electronics, simple chip on print? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 934.43 939.18 Um kinetic source so that's in the energy source that's all we need. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 933.28 934.43 Oh go away. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 943.56 944.32 One of those? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 942.26 943.56 Is that's what we're using? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 929.79 933.28 Okay, one, okay. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 927.88 928.42 Yeah. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 929.83 930.35 Yes. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 938.34 938.61 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 942.38 943.52 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 942.55 942.68 Yes. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 945.59 946.85 Come on. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 951.21 951.58 No. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 946.85 948.72 Okay, one. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 948.72 951.21 Uh regular chip on print. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 952.51 952.8 No. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 952.86 958.59 That's all we need, the one case, uncurved flat, single curved, double curved. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 953.71 954.06 Yeah. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 959.77 961.16 Well. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 962.77 963.47 This is a 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 963.6 964.59 Single curve? 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 964.59 964.79 Mm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 965.33 966.73 I guess it's double curved. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 968.64 969.35 One of those? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 967.04 968.64 Double curved? 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 969.48 969.95 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 972.23 974.44 Case materi s supplements. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 974.44 976.45 Plastic we said, right? 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 975.71 976.04 Yeah. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 976.17 976.79 Plastic. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 978.26 979.62 Uh wood, rubber? 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 979.75 981.64 Rubber, because we're gonna have the soft buttons. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 980.1 980.38 Yeah. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 982.68 984.62 Uh but, yes but 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 985.01 989.36 I think uh that is uh f for rubbers that is uh yeah case material. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 987.22 992.64 That's just for the case material, so special colours though, we having that, right? 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 988.78 989.91 Is this for the case? 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 989.91 990.29 Yes. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 989.36 990.82 Oh okay, the mm-hmm, mm' kay. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 992.77 993.41 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 992.8 993.29 Yes. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 993.08 993.47 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 995.09 999.01 And then we have to interface push buttons. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 999.17 999.63 Yes. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 999.19 999.8 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1005 1007.7 Integrated scroll wheel, L. C. display? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1003.68 1005 Scroll wheel, no. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1007.97 1011.05 No, 'cause we didn't put the clock in it after all, right? 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1008.24 1008.61 No. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1009.18 1009.97 Button. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1011.62 1011.93 No. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1011.72 1011.96 Yeah. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1012.22 1012.53 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1013.19 1015.33 Uh, button supplement special colour? 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1013.48 1014.26 Speci 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1015.54 1015.93 Yes 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1017.7 1018.56 Special form? 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1019.3 1021.29 Yes d we do have special form. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1019.65 1020.17 Yes. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1022.76 1025.52 And special material, rubber, wood, yes. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1025.48 1025.64 Yeah. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1027.27 1027.84 Okay. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1030.51 1034.17 Total seven point six whatever that means. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1035.08 1037.63 Uh, I think that's the price. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1036.65 1037.82 That's the price. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1036.69 1039.47 One two three four five six seven eight nine 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1039.15 1040.42 Maybe it is it just n 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1039.16 1039.34 Mm? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1040.79 1042.35 Eight, eight point two. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1046.63 1048.91 Nine points, okay, yes. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1046.83 1048.24 That's hmm? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1049.67 1050.54 Eight point two, right? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1052.36 1054.27 So, we looks like we are 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1055.64 1056.56 well within budget. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1056.69 1057.01 Yeah. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1056.71 1057 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1057 1057.44 Okay. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1057.85 1058.42 Okay. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1060.93 1062.72 I guess I should save this I suppose, huh? 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1062.93 1063.23 Yeah. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1068.99 1069.33 Oops. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1079.99 1081.08 Uh-huh huh huh. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1084.98 1085.98 On the desktop. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1089.69 1091.44 My compu Ah oh here it is, yes. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1086.61 1088.07 I just tried that. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1088.07 1089.69 My documents, computer. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1088.15 1088.63 AMI. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1089.86 1091.01 AMI should for 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1096.83 1098.36 Okay, fine. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1098.36 1098.9 Save. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1108.34 1109.79 Um. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1101.4 1104.31 Okay good, so that's the good news. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1104.31 1108.34 We gonna be popular. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1105.97 1106.28 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1106 1106.65 Yeah. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1111.64 1114.24 So that uh I think financing was pretty simple. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1114.59 1114.86 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1115.35 1121.65 Now we would like to have a presentation by the marketing expert on production evaluation. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1122.17 1124.48 Okay, I'll take my file down so you can bring it up. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1137.91 1138.89 'Kay should be able to get it now. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1142.72 1145.02 'Kay, why don't you move just to the next slide right away. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1146 1147.59 You wanna go to the next slide? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1147.59 1148 Okay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1157.17 1168 And I think we should show this prototype to people from various age and socio-economic groups and see about any fine tuning that maybe little things we haven't thought of. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1168 1172.68 We can't accept every suggestion of course, but maybe we just need to get a few. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1175.52 1183.56 we don't s want somebody to suddenly come to us and tell us that this button is toxic and you know some child will swallow it and then we won't sell any. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1190.64 1193.88 we think it's good, we're gonna get behind it and sell it. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1193.88 1195.35 Um, next slide please. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1146.88 1148.46 Yeah right away. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1186.28 1190.64 And then after that we just have to go with our best intuition and you know we like it,
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1148.46 1157.17 Okay, well uh obviously my method for uh s m the marketing of this thing is first to ask the big question, will it sell? 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1172.68 1175.52 And show the the prototype to consumer research groups 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1183.56 1186.28 So we have to get some input from those people. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1165.35 1165.86 Okay. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1166.99 1167.45 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1171.27 1171.58 Yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1180.33 1180.79 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1183.1 1183.43 Mm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1185.85 1186.18 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1222.39 1226.86 even though it's gonna be hard plastic, it feels good in your hand so that's nice. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1232.07 1241.24 So paradoxically the other features, in other words, the look, the feel um and the shape, that's what people are gonna get in the store. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1241.24 1243.44 They don't have a television in the store, they can't play with it. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1216.44 1222.39 We wanted the feel to be as soft as possible, we'll have the soft buttons and the way this is shaped,
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1212.83 1216.44 The size is small, the colour's bright and warm which is what we wanted. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1209.28 1212.83 I wanted it to be comfy and roundy so we we've got that. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1205.14 1209.28 I wanted the shape to be biomorphic, I didn't want anything with angles and all square 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1226.86 1232.07 And functionality I put last on my list because people aren't going to use it before they buy it. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1197.81 1205.14 Okay, now the things that I was thinking and th my wish list has really been realised in this prototype. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1220.78 1221.14 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1238.78 1240.32 Fee selling. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1240.75 1241.19 Yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1243.4 1243.75 Yeah. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1243.74 1244.05 Yes. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1260.43 1263.01 That's really, really excellent shape. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1273.41 1279.67 I think that it's I think that it's plenty small enough to sell but I think we're sort of right the scale is one to seven. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1263.01 1273.41 The size is small um and th these points are in the importance for the, for the marketing, these aren't i in how I feel. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1279.67 1284.08 I think we're sort of right in the middle as far as c other competitors. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1243.78 1246.58 Um so they'll be our main selling points. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1254.17 1260.43 Okay, so um the shape um I think is a a one. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1246.58 1254.17 So um th those have been fulfilled by your prototype and go ahead to the next slide please. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1281.81 1282.78 Okay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1286.2 1289.75 The colours are bright and warm and we really do great job there. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1284.56 1286.2 And our colour I think is great. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1295.52 1300.9 And then functionality um I think you did a really good job on functionality 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1300.9 1310.14 obviously we could have ad added different functions but then we'd disturb something else so I would say that we got to a five out of seven on on functionality. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1289.75 1295.52 And given um the constraints that we had I think we got it as soft as possible. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1310.14 1313.79 So I think that basically we've got a great product and we can get off and running with it. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1310.22 1310.65 Okay. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1310.32 1310.65 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1314.07 1314.26 Yeah. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1314.19 1317.83 Um I just realised one thing. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1317.83 1321.8 In the financing there was no room for our voice recogniser. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1317.47 1317.85 Yes. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1322.5 1323.15 Yes. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1322.64 1323.04 Ah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1323.32 1323.67 Yeah. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1324.29 1331.81 And uh I don't know how we can evaluate that or how we can include that, too. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1331.43 1335.82 Well, um we had what, eight eight euros twenty as our cost? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1335.54 1337.11 Eight, eight twenty, yes. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1336.75 1337.65 Eight twenty so 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1337.3 1341.07 And so we've got we've still got four euros to go to spend. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1338.22 1340.9 We have um four euros, yeah 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1341.16 1346.16 I mean maximum we have another four point three euros I mean four thirty. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1344.32 1344.61 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1346.02 1348.3 Well um that's 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1347.67 1355.22 But I mean we have no way of presenting that to management as you know as a f finished 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1355.22 1360.83 as a finished product and saying okay with the voice recogniser that costs so much. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1360.89 1361.32 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1366.54 1370.85 I mean and know whether the four thirty will really cover that. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1362.02 1366.54 So um we just have to beware of that. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1366.77 1367.24 Yeah. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1371.5 1379.39 Well as we know in today's technic technological world you can do just about anything at any price, the the the problem is quality. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1391.03 1394.88 As we've seen with so many of these kinds of products. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1379.39 1383.51 So we're just gonna have to settle for whatever quality that will buy us. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1383.51 1391.03 And um it may not be the greatest quality but it may sell anyway. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1371.67 1371.88 Yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1379.2 1380.77 Yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1381.86 1383.15 Yeah, yeah. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1382.5 1383.56 Yes, yes. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1389.53 1390.31 Yeah, still. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1389.87 1390.16 Yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1392 1392.15 Yeah. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1409.07 1410.86 So to beware of that. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1394.88 1407.79 I'm sorry to interrupt then but I just uh recog I just remembered that there was no that that was not um included uh that there was no room for any special features 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1410.86 1413.28 You wanna go to this next slide, marketing expert? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1407.79 1409.07 okay? 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1402.4 1403.46 Included, yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1405.81 1407.42 Hmm, hmm 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1407.28 1407.66 Yeah mm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1415.34 1416.07 Maybe. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1416.07 1416.56 Go ahead. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1416.56 1418.44 I think that was my last slide, yeah. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1418.44 1419.42 Um. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1412.52 1415.34 Uh, well I isn't this my last slide? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1415.4 1416.54 I dunno. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1416.54 1417.8 Yes it is. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1417.8 1418.15 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1422.74 1423.65 Mm okay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1425.96 1429.34 And I'm supposed to present this scale on the whiteboard. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1429.34 1435.89 Um and we're supposed to talk about those things as a team now, so if you put my last slide back up there. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1436.69 1436.96 Oh. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1438.17 1442.41 I'm sorry I've um forgot to do that, um. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1442.55 1442.86 Why? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1442.86 1444.28 Wh why you need that up? 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1446.12 1446.6 Hmm? 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1446.6 1448.94 Well because I can't remember what I put on there. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1449.61 1453.1 Okay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1453.1 1456.11 Now I'm supposed to see how long my leash is here. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1456.22 1457.36 I think you can make it there. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1457.61 1458.53 Mm 'kay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1463.95 1467.89 Um okay so on shape 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1460.5 1463.95 So now we're all supposed to say what we think. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1459.37 1460.5 You ready. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1472.27 1473.41 I gave it a one. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1474.8 1479.45 Wait what would you ra uh one being good and seven being the worst. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1479.45 1482.44 Um what do you think the shape is? 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1482.44 1484.97 One, okay, and Be Betsy? 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1478.47 1479.31 Worse, okay. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1482 1482.3 One. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1485.05 1486.64 Yes I think uh shape is one. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1486.66 1489.36 Yeah, even my yeah, shape is one. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1486.83 1490.6 Okay, uh-huh one, okay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1490.6 1492.73 And how about on size? 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1496.76 1497.85 On size 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1497.56 1498.86 You you gave it a four. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1498.63 1501.78 I gave it a four, yeah, I feel it's just average. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1502.47 1503.89 Um, I dunno. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1505.16 1506.99 I think I would give it at least a two. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1507.16 1507.69 Okay. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1509.75 1510.09 One. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1510.94 1511.4 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1513.64 1514.41 It's quite small. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1511.75 1513.64 Yeah, even I think it is one. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1513.38 1514.79 Okay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1514.79 1520.66 Okay you're the designer, of course you wanna give it a one. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1520.66 1523.23 Um and then how about how we doing on colour? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1525.96 1527.25 Colour uh I 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1526.68 1528.19 Colour, I gave it a one. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1528.19 1530.59 I really like all those nice bright, warm colours. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1528.1 1528.4 One. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1529.88 1531.57 I I like the colours. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1531.57 1531.99 One. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1532.02 1532.2 Yes. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1531.22 1532.02 One. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1531.83 1532.3 One. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1532.66 1533.42 Yeah, one. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1534.05 1536.17 One, one, one, okay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1536.17 1538.39 And how about the feel? 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1541.26 1546.8 Taking into um consideration texture and comfort in the hand. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1547.76 1549.71 Uh, I think I would give it a two. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1554.1 1554.62 Three. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1550.51 1554.1 Okay, I gave it a three, two, yeah? 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1553.05 1553.81 I'll give three. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1555.7 1557.56 Uh maybe two, yeah. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1556.87 1557.89 Two, okay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1559.19 1566.91 And the next is functionality where I I admit I was a little hard on our team here, but 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1569.22 1577.88 Well it's also you can't really try it out uh the other things you have have more is are more tangible so from that point of view but um 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1571.89 1572.41 Yeah. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1575.02 1575.5 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1580.88 1582.04 I'll give it a three. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1582.23 1583.4 Okay. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1586.28 1586.43 Two. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1586.86 1587.75 Two, okay. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1588.69 1590.19 Uh three, mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1589.55 1590.53 Three? 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1592 1592.62 Okay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1594.32 1595.57 Well, um. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1613.62 1619.1 But um otherwise I think we're we're ready to go to go with this product. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1598.03 1601.56 It looks like we've got got ourselves a pretty good product. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1601.56 1613.62 Um the functionality's the only place where maybe we have to think about m m maybe, heaven forbid, having another meeting. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1611.6 1612.79 Yeah. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1620.68 1625.01 Anybody else have any other comments or any other things that we feel we should evaluate? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1630.43 1630.87 Uh. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1637.65 1644.17 Here is what we looking at uh satisfaction on for example room for creativity. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1645.44 1646.35 Um. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1649.81 1653.91 Is there more room for creativity or are we absolutely happy? 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1655.33 1656.06 Maybe we can 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1655.36 1657.24 We can always improve, yes. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1661.06 1663.42 We can make the buttons few buttons smaller. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1663.42 1672.06 Uh I think they are quite big, so I think I I mean we can just have small buttons and more buttons in that case. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1656.82 1661.06 yeah, include some more buttons and uh um yeah features. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1672.06 1674.6 If we want to have more features than that. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1658.69 1659.78 Yes, features. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1674.44 1674.79 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1695.98 1702.93 And um then maybe we can do something with the um 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1687.75 1695.98 So that that's where we're gonna have to do maybe we can eliminate one of the mute buttons, instead of having two mute buttons. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1676.42 1687.75 Well then again if we're gonna um do the speech recognition thing we're gon there gonna be some buttons that are gonna have to be added for that for the recording of the the speech. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1681.21 1681.52 Yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1684.04 1685.17 Yeah, definitely. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1684.79 1685.36 Yes. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1687.27 1687.9 Voices. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1687.52 1687.74 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1693.38 1696.63 Yeah, definitely, yeah, two mu mute buttons. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1693.91 1694.5 Yes. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1695.75 1695.98 Yes. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1704.25 1705.35 the volume control. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1705.35 1707.89 Maybe we can put that all on one button. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1708.39 1708.79 Hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1709.18 1718.04 Um and a couple of other th maybe comp uh consolidate some of the usage an and see what we can do with that. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1718.32 1718.41 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1733.41 1743.95 Uh um we need uh you know we need to leave space money-wise for the voice recogniser. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1727.4 1733.41 with this particular item, we probably can't just uh add a whole lot of more things. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1718.58 1727.4 Y um al always bearing in mind that right now we are of course well within the budget and that we still you know we probably can't,
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1719.06 1720.54 And maybe 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1722.84 1723.16 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1732.91 1733.29 No. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1733.97 1734.38 Yeah. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1741.45 1741.77 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1744.16 1744.55 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1744.56 1744.66 Yes. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1745.52 1746.61 Um. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1745.56 1745.91 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1754.38 1766.58 Uh, um are we happy with the creativity that has passed here or we're not happy with the new product we created or that was created? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1749.86 1754.38 So th the question really is how do we feel with the project process? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1768.06 1771.43 Uh I think personally I think uh I'm pretty happy. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1771.7 1775.76 I'm pretty happy with it too, yeah um, it's something I think I can market. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1775.76 1775.98 Yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1772.49 1773.31 Even I'm happy. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1772.58 1774.01 Um an 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1775.25 1775.52 Yeah. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1776.13 1782.16 and then the next question is are we happy with the leadership of this project? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1782.16 1782.81 Uh 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1782.13 1786.97 I think you've done a good job, Miss leader. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1784.02 1786.68 Yes, yes you've done a good job. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1784.37 1786.46 Yeah, yeah, definitely. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1785.86 1791.68 And I think team work I think was very very good, I think we really yeah. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1792.74 1793.02 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1789.81 1792.74 Yeah I d I do too I think we worked well together as a team, yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1790.06 1790.35 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1791.05 1791.37 Yeah. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1792.54 1792.94 Yeah. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1792.57 1793.29 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1793.98 1798.99 And uh I think we are we happy with the means we used? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1798.99 1803.15 We used whiteboard, we didn't use digital p well digital pens I guess are these things. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1803.22 1808.11 Yeah maybe we could've used the whiteboard a little bit more, yeah, we didn't use that enough. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1804.93 1807.86 Whiteboard more, yes, yes. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1806.36 1807.57 Yeah, probably. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1809.27 1822.01 it's maybe not in the best position in the room um you know like sometimes it's positioned so that it's much better visible for everybody and I think from that point of view we sort of ignored it a little bit. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1808.64 1809.27 Uh 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1807.45 1808.64 Yes, we could. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1818.26 1818.72 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1822.05 1824.21 And we used the slide because it was better positioned. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1822.31 1822.78 Yes. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1831.35 1834.41 Um did we new did we find new ideas? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1823.03 1831.35 Yes, I think so, I think absolutely, and fortunately we all had slides presentation which made it a little easier. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1834.41 1835.27 I think we did. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1824.41 1824.71 Yeah. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1824.98 1825.13 No. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1825.37 1826.7 Mm I think that's true mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1830.44 1830.72 Hmm. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1830.94 1831.38 Yes. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1830.94 1831.3 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1835.4 1836.77 Yeah, many. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1835.45 1837.98 I think we were we were very good, yeah, mm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1837.27 1844.71 I think we we did, uh in more than one respect and uh so I think we did very well here. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1840.43 1841 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1846.51 1846.73 Okay. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1852.32 1853.67 Yes. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1849.47 1852.32 Uh is the project evaluated? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1847.19 1848.48 Are the costs within budget? 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1853.67 1858.61 Um then celebration. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1848.48 1849.47 Yes, yes. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1851.9 1852.6 Yes, yes. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1853.09 1853.39 Yeah. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1858.96 1865.54 Today we have apple juice and after we sell m million of 'em we have champagne. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1853.74 1858.96 Celebration. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1854.98 1858.49 Cel celebration yes, yes. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1855.9 1858.84 Ah. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1864.64 1867.76 So I I thank you all very much. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1867.76 1871.53 Um, I think this was very good and um 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1869.94 1870.51 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1870.05 1870.45 Yeah. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1872.72 1876.69 I think we did come up with a new product that's uh feasible. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1876.69 1880.86 Feasible from the production point of view and feasible from a marketing point of view. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1876.62 1876.9 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1880.74 1880.95 Mm-hmm. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1882.8 1884.12 So, thank you. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1883.01 1883.25 Okay. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1883.61 1883.76 Yeah. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1884.29 1884.86 Thank you. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1884.33 1885.21 Thank you very much. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1884.76 1886.46 Okay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1889.3 1889.53 Okay. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1886.46 1889.3 Watch I I have my cord behind you here. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1888.25 1888.7 Okay. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1894.21 1896.6 I always get it on here, but getting it off is 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1896.56 1898.82 Do we do we have some time left? 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1901.11 1902.91 Uh you have 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1902.92 1904.02 They say it's forty minutes. 
IS1009d H00 FIE088 1904.79 1905.98 Ah yes we have time later but we don't 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1905.01 1911.79 But we we were told we could end the final meeting at any time, whenever we felt we were finished. 
IS1009d H01 FIO087 1908.84 1909.11 Okay. 
IS1009d H02 FIO084 1909.08 1909.69 Oh, alright. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1918.56 1921.97 It'll take me the rest of the time to get my microphone out from my necklace. 
IS1009d H03 FIO089 1925.17 1925.75 Oh, there we go. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 21.25 23.32 Yeah? 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 26.29 27.18 So 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 19.55 21.25 Is everybody sitting on the right place? 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 13.46 16.73 So uh good morning. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 23.32 26.29 I guess so. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 16.73 19.55 I see you all find your places. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 15.34 15.56 Morning. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 15.37 15.81 Morning. 
TS3003a H02 MTD0010ID 16.42 16.7 Morning. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 19.67 20.03 Yep. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 32.64 33.36 Let's see. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 35.95 38.09 First I will introduce myself. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 42.74 43.81 Hello. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 44.41 45.35 Hello. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 38.09 42.74 I don't know if uh if everybody knows me, so I'm Bart, hello. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 43.81 44.41 Bart. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 45.9 47.03 Bart. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 47.03 48.42 Welcome. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 45.35 45.9 Hello. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 40.79 41.49 My name's Frank. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 42.99 43.62 I'm. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 48.1 48.44 Thank you. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 50.14 54.15 Uh let's see. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 54.15 58.01 Uh let's start off um with a little presentation. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 62.27 62.92 Uh 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 94.24 99.19 There are some notes in it already I see, some documents. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 90.14 94.24 So is there a project documents folder? 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 65.58 68.34 Now first I'll tell you a little bit about the setting. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 70.37 77.97 They'll record uh our actions and you'll have wires and microphones that will record your voice. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 68.34 70.37 You can see there are a few cameras here. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 77.97 84.16 Uh there are also some microphones there but th um you don't have to pay a lot of attention on those 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 99.19 101.45 Uh I'll start with the presentation kick off. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 84.16 90.14 because it will uh disappear when you don't attend to it. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 112.06 113.75 Let's do it read only. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 109.68 112.06 Uh okay. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 106.87 109.68 Is being modified by the administrator. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 109.47 113.53 Hmm, that's interesting. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 134.76 138.65 I'm Bart the project manager so I'll direct you through the project. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 116.66 122.27 Well I don't know if you've noticed, but uh we're working for Real Reaction. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 125.29 134.76 We put fashion in electronics, uh we make it work, uh we put a lot of effort in design and in the product itself. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 122.27 125.29 Uh it's a company in uh electronics. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 140.63 141.77 This is our agenda. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 142.9 147.71 Uh we have our opening acquaintance, tool training, project plan description closing. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 149.66 159.02 Uh maybe I can sit down, then I can take some notes or Let's see. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 161.34 164.42 Maybe you can take the minutes once in a while. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 175.25 179.17 Aquaintance is a point we've done a bit. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 171.36 175.25 Uh as you can see uh it's the opening, aquaintance tool training. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 183.14 184.23 Yeah. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 164.42 171.36 I dunno it's not a lot of work, but just uh if you hear something uh you can write down, just write it down. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 189.49 190.52 No? 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 187.01 189.49 I think I found one. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 179.17 183.14 Um have you all seen the corporate website already? 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 184.23 187.01 Have you seen any flaws in it? 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 163.72 164 Sure. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 183.07 183.53 Visit it. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 182.45 183.07 Yep. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 182.69 182.86 Yep. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 189.69 189.83 Hmm? 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 190.89 192.67 Can't say I paid much attention to it, but 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 193.52 193.96 I can 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 203.35 212.74 But um on the corporate information side there's a th uh there was Real Remote instead of Real Reaction. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 246.29 252.14 And Industrial Designer uh there's also user friendly and a bit original. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 227.35 231.13 It has to be original, trendy, and user friendly. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 212.74 219.34 Real Remote is not really the company we're we are, but it's just a little fault. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 200.54 203.35 Okay no problem. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 231.13 238.11 So these are uh the points why uh we also hired you. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 223.35 227.35 Uh our project aim is as you can see a new remote control. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 238.11 246.29 We've got the Marketing Expert for uh the trendy and user friendly look. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 219.34 223.35 Um okay, what are we going to do? 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 196.05 197.53 see if it works this way. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 197.53 200.54 No, it doesn't work here. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 212.16 212.68 Oh yeah. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 216.48 216.79 Yeah. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 216.09 216.48 Okay. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 238.31 238.61 Okay. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 257.76 258.99 He's also uh 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 252.98 257.76 And we've got our User Interface Designer. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 257.2 257.32 Yep. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 260.37 262.06 That's about the new remote control. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 270.89 275.68 First is functional des uh design, individual work, meetings. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 263.16 270.89 Uh project method um is uh there are three phases we are going through. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 275.68 279.92 After the functional design, then the conceptual design and the detailed design. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 281.13 286.83 I had some role indications on here. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 321.89 324.73 So that's a bit what you're going to do. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 288.19 291.77 But I think you know it already by yourself. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 301.24 311.02 Uh the User Interface Designer is going to do the technical function design, user interface concept and user interface design. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 311.02 321.89 And the marketing expert is doing a little bit of user requirement specification, trend watching and project uh product ev evaluation. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 324.73 328.16 But that will be all worked out in uh other meetings. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 291.77 301.24 The Industrial Designer is going to work on the working design, uh components design and a bit of the look and feel design. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 342.63 348.7 As you can see we've got the smart boards here and here in the white board. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 332.18 335.24 Then we've got our first tool training. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 348.7 355.79 Um in the white board here there's a little tool bar on this side. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 357.9 362.51 N uh these functions we don't have anything to do with, only undo, you can undo a little 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 355.79 356.82 Here are some functions. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 356.82 357.9 You can save. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 335.24 342.63 We are going to work with a lot of high-tech tools here, so it's ab it's handy if we have a little bit of training first. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 378.67 380.05 This pen. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 380.05 389.28 It's really funny because you can draw with it on this page um in the think it is form of. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 389.28 393.05 You can also select the current colour and the line width. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 365.63 368.97 A blank new document for each person. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 371.44 374.23 Capture we don't have to do anything with. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 374.23 378.67 Uh then we've got our pen. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 400.11 402.61 So okay. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 402.61 408.73 Uh that's very simple and it's easy to uh draw your findings and drawings on there. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 393.05 396.73 But then first you have to select the pen function. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 368.97 371.44 Uh select a pen, eraser. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 363.9 365.63 uh piece of drawing. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 396.73 400.11 But we're going to work with it in a minute. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 380.19 380.66 'Kay. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 392.63 392.76 Hmm. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 409.65 410.81 Uh then 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 412.4 415.13 a short thing about documents. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 428.95 436.97 And these are available on the smart boards as well, so if you have a document you wanna show, just open it from the folder. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 419.35 422.79 Project documents I think. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 415.13 419.35 We've got our shared folder, uh project project what was it? 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 422.79 428.95 But all you will found that already because there are a lot of documents in it already, so it will be okay. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 435.26 435.65 Okay. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 436.27 436.38 Yeah. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 447.51 449.47 You can switch between the different drawings. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 439.41 440.97 Here is a simple tool bar. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 440.97 447.51 It's what I just said, it's save, print, move back or forward one page. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 452.64 454.79 And then we're going to try out the white board. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 455.92 461.19 So as you can see we g all going to draw a animal. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 461.19 467.85 Just to uh uh just to get a bit familiar with it. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 467.85 469.32 Mouse wasn't running away. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 469.28 470.06 That was interesting. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 471.33 473.51 Is everybody is anybody playing with the mouse? 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 473.51 473.94 No. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 475.34 477.21 We're going to uh draw animal. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 473.94 475.34 Okay. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 473.11 475.78 Innocent. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 477.93 483.67 And uh just sum up a few of its favourite characteristics. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 496.07 497.87 I will. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 492.13 496.07 Uh there's I can start from now. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 501.77 508.01 Because if you hold it like this, the sensors will get blocked and then the drawing won't get good. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 497.87 501.77 You can use this pen by holding it like a like a little child. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 483.67 492.13 Um the only thing we have to uh look after is that we use different colours, and different line width. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 506.21 506.56 Okay. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 506.74 506.93 'Kay. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 528.98 529.9 Then the line width. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 518.95 528.98 So we choose form of current colour uh I think grey is appropriate. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 535.02 538.63 Now you'll see my drawing capabilities. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 529.9 535.02 I think seven will be nice. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 513.66 518.95 'Cause if you're going to draw like really fast then um the pen won't hold up. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 509.3 513.66 Another thing is you have to be uh a bit slow. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 538.63 541.93 These are not very much, but uh 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 543.62 545.79 Uh, see you have to do it real slow. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 554.37 555.6 Oh 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 569.8 570.19 Sure. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 571.13 578 Ah I was trying to draw a dolphin, but I think his nose has to be a little bit But it's close. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 577.62 578.92 I'm thinking about a swordfish. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 579.62 582.04 So what yeah it's this is bit of the swordfish. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 582.04 583.3 Yeah, he hasn't got an eye. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 580.47 580.63 Yeah. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 579.9 580.47 Yeah. 
TS3003a H02 MTD0010ID 583.64 585.16 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 587.75 590.63 We've got the eraser. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 584.94 586.54 Woah. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 590.63 591.97 And then you can undo 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 586.54 587.75 Now we've got another function. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 593.54 595.76 this easily. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 595.66 595.97 Meat. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 598.78 604.29 And I've got to write down a few of its characteristics. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 596.84 598.78 Ah it's okay. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 604.29 607.44 Uh is 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 612.41 614.69 They've got no text tool, no. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 617.55 617.71 Uh. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 630.66 636.77 This is typically a undo action, I think. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 636.77 637.6 Pen. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 627.18 630.66 Okay. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 633.99 635.41 Yeah. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 639.89 641.07 Maybe you have to hold it a bit 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 643 644.08 upside-down. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 644.08 650.73 I think that's it because if you wan ar are going to do it like this then it will be a stripe. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 650.73 653.19 But I don't know, I'm just trying. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 655.68 661.82 This is not my work, okay. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 661.82 663.2 Maybe you have to use 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 661.22 661.5 Hmm. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 670.81 671.26 Oh. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 689.29 689.8 I don't know. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 684.57 684.84 Uh. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 684.84 689.29 I think it's a it wants to draw a another animal? 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 691.57 693.19 It lives for the fun. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 694.96 695.79 So 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 700.24 703.19 It's my characteristic uh characteristic about the dolphin. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 703.19 704.77 It lives for the fun. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 704.77 711.94 So now I'm gonna hand over the pen on the new blank sheet to you. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 711.94 714.07 Go ahead. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 704.56 705.04 Okay. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 704.99 705.28 Okay. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 712.06 712.46 Thank you. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 714.35 716.29 Okay. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 721.27 722.5 Gonna use a different line width. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 724.63 726.13 And I'm gonna draw in black. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 729.64 732.28 There. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 732.28 735.84 'Kay, I'm not much of an artist, but here we go. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 748.38 751.26 Because this is going a lot better than uh I did. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 743.56 748.38 Maybe it's easier to draw the smaller line width, I think. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 748.2 748.37 Hmm. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 767.04 767.47 A sheep. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 783.14 783.53 Mm. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 801.39 805.4 Okay. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 805.4 808.33 This is my um Hmm. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 812.21 812.59 Sheep. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 818.22 819.83 It's nice. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 820.5 821.63 With of course 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 829.94 833.2 little blue dot they always get sprayed on their butts. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 830.05 830.49 Uh. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 833.96 836.69 It's a real dead sheep, yeah. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 836.69 840.81 For recognition, yeah, I see. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 835.07 835.66 There. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 836.51 837.41 Yeah. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 845.51 846.28 On just a 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 843.07 845.51 Um maybe you can also write your name somewhere. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 843.57 843.8 'Kay. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 846.48 847.05 They are 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 849.35 849.77 Come on. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 858.82 860.49 You have to go really slow when you're writing. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 861.61 862.42 Yeah. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 879.44 881.44 They're brilliant animal animals. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 881.44 883.16 And that's just a little me thingy. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 884.45 884.76 So. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 888.55 891.91 Guess I'll pass the pen to our User Interface Designer. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 889.6 890.86 Okay. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 890.86 895.95 Um I'm just gonna draw its uh head, but mm 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 889.79 890.21 Nice. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 897.9 898.39 Let's see. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 903.08 903.22 Mm. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 915.22 915.55 Uh. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 965.89 967.52 Okay. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 968.16 972.27 Sweet. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 968.53 968.9 Interesting. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 971.52 972.4 Yeah. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 972.4 973.52 You know what that is? 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 975.03 975.36 Or who? 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 976.67 977.31 Garfield. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 977.31 977.6 Yeah. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 975.5 976.67 A rabbit? 
TS3003a H02 MTD0010ID 975.72 976.31 Garfield. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 976.5 977.61 Ah okay, yeah. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 978.48 978.94 Just a 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 983.17 983.96 Mm. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 983.96 984.3 Guess. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 986.52 988.03 So uh 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 990.99 991.54 That's enough. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 990.18 990.99 Yeah. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 993.06 995.39 Um, you say a blank, or 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 994.96 996.66 Yeah, just a blank sheet. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 996.39 997.03 Okay. 
TS3003a H02 MTD0010ID 1009.34 1014.47 Well I was gonna draw a cat too, so. 
TS3003a H02 MTD0010ID 1018.12 1020.6 Something different than Garfield. 
TS3003a H02 MTD0010ID 1014.47 1018.12 I'll just try something else. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1017.51 1017.69 No. 
TS3003a H02 MTD0010ID 1039.83 1042.46 Mine is a bit more skinny. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1041.11 1043.51 Yeah, it's pretty skinny cat. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1041.64 1042.33 Yeah. 
TS3003a H02 MTD0010ID 1042.56 1045.53 But uh 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1045.68 1047 And the most interesting tail. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1048.55 1052.83 Is your cat, or did you find him on the street? 
TS3003a H02 MTD0010ID 1059.71 1061.18 I like cats because uh 
TS3003a H02 MTD0010ID 1056.9 1059.71 Well, it's supposed to be a cat. 
TS3003a H02 MTD0010ID 1064.07 1064.56 they are uh 
TS3003a H02 MTD0010ID 1067.52 1068.2 independent. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1071.46 1072.07 Ah. 
TS3003a H02 MTD0010ID 1074.9 1075.25 The pen. 
TS3003a H02 MTD0010ID 1080.77 1081.07 So. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1088.18 1095.08 So if you have any ideas or if you wanna draw anything on the white board, just ask and go ahead. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1084.95 1088.18 So everybody knows how to work with the white board now? 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1083.74 1084.95 That's pretty clear. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1095.08 1096.79 It's pretty uh easy. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1081.6 1083.74 Okay. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1088.79 1089.21 Yeah. 
TS3003a H02 MTD0010ID 1090.49 1090.83 The pen. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1109.9 1110.14 We 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1098.96 1101.75 'Kay. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1106.77 1109.9 So we've got the tool uh introduction. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1101.75 1106.77 S haunted white board. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1102.15 1102.98 We're being haunted. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1126.48 1129.46 Uh our profit aim is fifty million Euros. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1147.17 1151.43 Um but that's all in the later stadium. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1115.06 1124.3 Um as you can see, we um for our remote control, a selling price is uh twenty five Euros. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1124.3 1126.48 Our selling price. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1111.25 1115.06 move along to the project finance. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1137.75 1147.17 Uh we can do it international, so we have to focus on different kind of users, different kind of cultures, and different kind of trends as well. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1129.46 1137.75 Uh that's the least we have to get from our remote controls, so we have to work together to reach our aims. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1173.94 1183.93 Selling price twenty five, profit aims fifty million um, but more important is the int international market we're trying to focus on. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1170.6 1173.94 So just try to remember these points. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1152.33 1159.33 Our production cost um can be maximal twelve and a half Euros,
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1159.33 1168.83 so that's also a point we have to keep in mind, that we won't make remote controls with small televisions inside, and stuff like that. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1183.93 1187.7 And production cost uh maximal twelve and a half Euros. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1168.83 1170.6 It won't work. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1201.4 1204.42 It's easier. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1206.22 1206.98 Five minutes. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1189.48 1192.75 So that's leads us to our little discussion. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1197.83 1201.4 So I'm gonna sit down, I think. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1192.75 1197.83 We've got about five or ten minutes left for discussion. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1204.42 1206.22 I've got a message. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1206.98 1211.18 Okay, that's uh good timing. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1201.97 1202.96 Yeah, you got a message. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1206.96 1208.02 Five minutes, okay. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1210.06 1214.14 So just on a side note, why is it my laptop is only giving me a black screen? 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1214.55 1214.74 Mm? 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1215.19 1219.52 Uh maybe you have to say the magic word. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1219.55 1219.9 Right. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1217.9 1219.55 Yeah. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1221.07 1222.08 Does it do anything? 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1222.74 1222.99 No. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1223.42 1225.53 Maybe you have to just clap it down? 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1228.28 1229.14 Mm back up again. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1235.68 1235.96 Hmm. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1233.96 1235.68 No slide show. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1236.11 1236.67 It's off now. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1237.33 1237.99 It's off. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1239.48 1241.02 You'll be okay, I think. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1237.99 1239.48 Now you have to put it back o Oh yeah. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1240.53 1241.59 Well, it was on, but 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1243.81 1246.49 Well it's those laptops. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1247.08 1247.79 Ah, there we are. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1262.51 1265.55 Like you can use for other? 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1248.38 1249.1 Nice. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1265.55 1267.17 No? 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1267.17 1267.46 You? 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1249.1 1249.98 Okay. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1249.98 1262.51 But so mm does everybody has um experiences with uh remote controls, and I mean not the ordinary mote controls, but also a little bit different ones? 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1261.99 1262.32 Mm. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1264.36 1264.74 Oh really? 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1266.08 1266.21 Huh. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1267.46 1268.2 Well, we have a 
TS3003a H02 MTD0010ID 1267.78 1268.43 No, me neither. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1267.79 1268.75 It's a 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1269.09 1275.08 kind of broad T. V. at home, and a D. V. D. player, so we got like a lot of remote controls,
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1280.3 1284.42 And I think it's it would be best to just make one remote control that can operate them all. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1275.08 1280.3 one for the T. V., one for the video recorder, one for the D. V. D. player. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1279.05 1279.58 Ah yeah. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1308.68 1317.16 So that's pretty handy when you have a video recorder or D. V. D. player downstairs and you've got a link to your T. V. on the second floor. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1296.53 1303.26 And it also operates on infra-red, so you have to got the little device inside your room 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1317.16 1318.93 So that's a pretty handy um 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1284.68 1285.64 Yep. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1287.77 1296.53 And you can uh program I think eight different devices in it, and you can use it for your television, anything else. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1303.26 1308.68 and then you can operate it from the third or th or second floor. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1285.64 1287.77 Yeah I've I've got one at home. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1286.22 1286.42 Yeah. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1285.04 1286.22 Sure. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1294.79 1295.8 Okay, yeah. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1295.8 1296.01 Yeah. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1306.35 1307.51 Okay, yeah. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1308.08 1308.52 Oh really. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1308.88 1309.18 Hmm. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1313.86 1313.94 Oh. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1316.76 1316.98 Yeah. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1317.12 1317.64 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1320.19 1320.53 thing. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1321.39 1324.6 Um but only the 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1334.01 1334.81 It's uh 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1325.68 1334.01 I think that if you can put different kind of devices in one remote control, it makes it a lot easier as well. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1334.2 1334.43 Yeah. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1335.11 1335.24 Oh. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1336.45 1337.57 That's good to remember. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1337.75 1339.67 So I think you can take minutes again. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1339.89 1342.5 Yeah, that's nice, I think. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1342.5 1344.82 So we've we want different functions 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1341.55 1342.4 Since it's your job. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1346.08 1346.31 Yeah. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1346.76 1354.2 uh and we can maybe see if we can do something with the infra-red. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1357.2 1360.21 So that uh that's something we have to find out, I think. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1354.2 1357.2 But I don't know if that will exceed the production costs. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1357.36 1357.58 Mm. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1360.5 1361.38 Yeah. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1361.38 1364.78 But that would be really good if we could do that. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1365.91 1368.93 And other functions for a remote control? 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1370.4 1373.29 Maybe we can make it uh uh 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1371.08 1371.55 Um. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1371.45 1371.8 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1374.24 1375.34 Think it has to be shock proof 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1376.04 1376.71 Sure, yeah. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1376.63 1376.89 'cause 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1377.25 1378.06 Shock proof. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1378.4 1380.45 my remote control tends to fall a lot. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1379.77 1381.1 Waterproof, or uh 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1381.02 1382.74 Sure. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1381.86 1382.24 So 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1382.19 1384.94 Uh, you never no know uh, I w I mean uh 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1386.87 1387.63 Waterproof. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1390.19 1395 So these are our um a few things we can think of. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1395 1400.3 Um I will put the minutes from this meeting uh in our project folder. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1389.76 1390.19 Okay. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1401.33 1401.52 'Kay. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1403.81 1407.63 Thought it might be handy to put a battery status display on it. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1401.49 1403.81 Yeah, one other little thing. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1408.75 1409.4 So you can see 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1408.77 1410.4 That's a battery stays. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1410.37 1411.23 Okay, yeah. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1410.85 1412.13 how much is left in the battery. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1414.32 1419.94 But they'll also really drag up the production costs, so think we'll have to see about that too. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1418.64 1418.95 Yeah. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1420.32 1420.56 Mm. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1421.57 1421.73 Uh. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1422.16 1424.37 But maybe just a little LED, I don't know. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1425.62 1427.26 That's an idea as well. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1427.26 1427.92 Other ideas? 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1429.28 1429.88 Quick ideas. 
TS3003a H02 MTD0010ID 1430.42 1431.5 Nope. 
TS3003a H02 MTD0010ID 1431.5 1432.56 They were all mentioned, so 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1431.86 1432.06 Mm. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1433.28 1436.8 Any questions about this uh presentation? 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1432.47 1433.28 Okay. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1436.8 1437.93 Kick off presentation. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1432.6 1432.77 Yeah. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1438.47 1438.89 Um. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1440.83 1441.79 Nope, don't think so. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1442.45 1442.62 No? 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1443.76 1447.9 Okay, then I'll put the minutes from this meeting in the project folder, 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1449.35 1450.48 and then we can all work. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1455.18 1459.55 And we can all work uh on our own projects. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1454.05 1455.18 Okay. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1451.74 1454.05 Finish meeting now. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1453.73 1454.08 Okay. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1455.29 1455.82 Aye sir. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1468.18 1474.55 Okay then I'll meet you in about a half an hour, I think. 
TS3003a H00 MTD009PM 1474.55 1476.39 So good luck. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1472.02 1472.5 Half an hour. 
TS3003a H02 MTD0010ID 1474.04 1474.3 Okay. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1475.42 1475.55 Yep. 
TS3003a H01 MTD011UID 1474.21 1475.42 Okay. 
TS3003a H03 MTD012ME 1474.28 1475.26 Okay. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 61.24 63.7 That's nice. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 60.02 61.24 Yeah? 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 67.77 71 And uh still failing? 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 57.51 60.02 Everybody found his place again? 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 63.7 67.77 Okay so this is our second meeting. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 57.11 57.51 Okay. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 60.55 60.96 Yes. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 71.8 72.11 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 72.76 77.26 Uh now we're going um into the functional design. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 77.26 92.45 Um important thing of this phase is that we're going to uh try to get an agreement about the user requirements, technical function design, and the working design. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 99.59 102.73 Um first an announcement. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 97.19 99.59 But first this phase. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 107.05 107.77 So 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 102.73 107.05 There's a little adaptation in the air conditioning system. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 93.12 97.19 So that we can move onto the second uh phase. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 109.14 112.88 There's our ghost mouse again. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 112.88 120.18 That that means that you can have a little trouble with, little trouble with the air conditioning, that's because of this uh 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 120.38 120.74 Okay. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 121.11 121.48 Okay. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 135.84 137.47 Now first the opening. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 134.38 135.84 Then our agenda. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 137.47 139.11 Uh this time I will take the minutes. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 123.39 128.53 So it should be over in a in a while, couple of days. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 121.57 123.39 It's in wing C. and E. . 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 128.53 134.38 But it's going to be cold anyway, so I don't think you're gonna need it. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 132.84 133.18 No. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 157.69 163.54 and then we can have a little discussion about the new project requirements uh which have been sent to me. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 143.75 145.02 All of you. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 153.65 157.69 So uh I suggest we take about seven minutes per presentation 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 145.02 153.65 Um and we've got forty minutes for the whole uh prese for the whole uh presentations. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 140.36 143.75 Uh you're going to have a presentation. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 172.91 175.11 So we've got forty minutes for all of it. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 164.39 172.91 And then the decision on the control functions uh which we wanna include and those which we don't wanna include. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 179.47 181.34 Um who wants to be first? 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 175.11 179.47 So I suggest um let's start with the first presentation. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 178.78 179.07 Yes. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 182.76 183.55 Think I'll go first. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 183.74 185.62 Okay. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 185.62 186.21 So 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 193.37 197.87 Just which function you have and what you're gonna talk about. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 187.94 193.37 Just maybe it's easier if you um Yeah I think you will tell your presentation as well. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 208.13 209.65 I'm the Market Expert. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 209.65 210.91 But you already knew that. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 206.85 208.13 My name is Freek Van Ponnen. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 206.59 206.85 'Kay. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 212.1 214.26 Um I've done some research. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 214.26 223.02 We have we uh have been doing research in a usability lab where we observed um users operating remote controls. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 225.56 228.22 We had one hundred of these uh test subjects. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 223.02 225.56 Uh we let them fill out a questionnaire. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 229.36 232.2 Uh in addition we did some market research. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 235.26 236.64 What ages are involved. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 232.2 235.26 Uh see what the market consists of. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 247.53 249.63 F uh seventy five percent of the um 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 238.9 244.6 Well these are three quite astonishing results, I thought. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 244.6 247.53 Um remotes are being considered ugly. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 262.85 263.36 So 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 250.97 256.33 people questioned uh indicated that they thought their remote were was ugly. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 256.33 262.85 Um and an additional eighty percent indicated that they would spend more money on a fancy-looking remote control. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 264.67 267.33 Um in addition remotes were not very functional. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 267.33 273.32 Fifty percent of the people indicated they only loo used about ten percent of the buttons on a remote control. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 275.08 279.39 And fifty percent of the people indicated that their remote tended to get lost in their room. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 280.47 280.8 So 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 281.83 282.08 Mm. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 282.33 283.07 some things. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 298.67 301.17 And teletext got a six and a half. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 296.64 298.67 The power button got a nine. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 288.94 296.64 Channel selection and volume selection um both got a ten on a scale of one to ten for relevancy. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 285.33 288.94 Then we did some research to the most relevant functions. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 301.17 302.22 So these are the most 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 309.27 310.87 That's what I like to call them. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 307 309.27 Then there are some one-time use function. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 303.35 307 most uh important functions on a remote control. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 310.87 315.5 That uh audio settings, video settings, and channel settings buttons. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 315.5 320.74 Which are not really used very frequently, but are still considered to be of some importance. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 322.1 327.02 Um channel selection was also indicated to be used very frequently. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 327.02 329.43 One hundred and sixty eight times per hour. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 332.14 335.02 Then these are the This is the market. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 335.02 341.15 Um sixty percent of the market consists of users between the ages sixteen and forty f six. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 342.13 342.73 Um 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 356.37 356.95 So 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 354.38 356.37 They won't spend their money very easily. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 344.14 348.74 Main characteristic of this group is that they're very critical on the remote control. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 348.74 352.85 Um they like to use new f new functions. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 352.85 354.38 But they also are very critical. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 357.86 364.23 Um the users of forty six to sixty five years cons The make up forty percent of the market. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 367.31 369.97 But they do tend to spend their money a lot easier. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 365.24 367.31 They are not really very interested in features. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 373.83 374.38 Um 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 375.35 378.11 What I think this indicates for our um 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 383.36 384.8 And this means we would 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 379.43 380.68 design. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 380.68 383.36 I think we should make a remote for the future. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 386 389.84 um have to focus on the age ages sixteen to forty five. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 390.82 399.38 Uh this also makes up most the biggest part of the market, so that will also be where our main profit would be gettable. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 400.47 403.42 Um this would mean we would have to make a fancy design. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 404.85 405.59 Um 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 406.6 416.14 The results also indicated that um about one quarter of the people questioned thought that the remote control caused R. S. R. S. I. . 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 433.79 436.72 Besides of course that the remote must look very nice. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 429.21 433.79 So these are two factors that I think should be included in the design. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 422.17 429.21 And thirty four percent thought that it was hard to learn a n how to operate a new control, remote control. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 417.57 422.17 Um this is certainly something to take into account. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 438.07 439.33 And the functionality 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 447.27 451.75 Uh this will also be uh beneficial to the design of the remote. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 440.41 447.27 As a lot of people indicated, they only use about ten percent of the buttons, I think we should make very few buttons. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 465.39 466.95 They shouldn't break down easily. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 461.62 465.39 'Cause they're used most and so they should be robust. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 453.27 456.7 Uh I think the most frequently used buttons should be emphasised. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 456.7 461.62 Especially the channel selection and audio uh selection buttons. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 469.16 470.01 Um 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 471.64 478.51 Then as mo as a lot of people indicated that their um remote got lost in the room, it might be 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 489.85 496.29 And this would, could get a button in it which would send a signal to the remote which would then beep. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 479.62 486.78 and I say might be because it would um certainly boost the uh production costs a lot. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 486.78 489.85 But it might be a good idea to make a docking station. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 496.55 498.9 So you'd know where it is in the room. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 498.9 503.92 And in addition to this it could um recharge the batteries in the remote if you put it in. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 505.71 517.11 Then um a surprisingly great deal of people w indicated that um an L. C. D. screen in the remote control would be preferred. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 517.11 518.26 This was um 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 524.36 528.05 But up till forty five it remains feasible. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 528.05 535.74 This would also greatly increase the production costs but I think these are just some small factors we could consider. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 519.58 524.36 mostly people in the age of sixteen to twenty five. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 538.03 538.34 Okay. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 538.59 539.25 That would be all. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 540.04 541.03 Thank you. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 541.03 545.16 So anybody have um any questions until now? 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 544.2 544.9 Any questions? 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 546.16 546.78 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 546.23 548.29 About functional requirements? 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 548.29 549.05 Okay that's clear. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 547.87 548.25 No. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 549.92 551.6 Now to the second. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 550.33 550.53 'Kay. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 567.75 571.17 Um f for the techno f functions uh of of it. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 560.28 561.39 Uh okay. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 571.17 572.73 Um 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 561.39 567.75 Um I've been looking at uh the user interface of it. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 567.51 567.66 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 574.62 575.71 Yeah you can take your time. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 575.71 578.6 We've got uh plenty of time, so 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 574.97 575.42 Okay. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 576.96 577.16 Mm? 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 577.41 580.5 Yeah you should go to the top thingy. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 580.5 581.5 Slide show. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 581.5 581.87 Oh yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 578.52 578.91 Oh. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 580.1 580.52 Uh. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 583.19 583.37 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 581.58 582.29 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 582.29 583.19 There it is. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 581.65 581.91 Okay. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 584.44 586.58 Um yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 592.15 609.63 Uh uh I've do I've uh done a little uh research on the internet and not much information about it, Um about uh interface but uh Uh 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 586.58 592.15 I think uh we uh must use the general functions uh of the uh remote control. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 611.58 621.13 Yeah I I've been thinking about a simple manner uh to put a lot of functions uh uh in one um in one uh remote control. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 628.44 629.48 So um 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 621.13 628.44 Uh so uh you've got a lot of devi uh devices like uh D. V. D. uh uh television, uh stereo. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 640.41 643.53 Uh uh uh Yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 629.94 633.17 But uh it must be uh user-friendly. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 633.17 640.41 So um uh you c you can't put a a lot of uh functions uh in one uh Yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 645.88 646.76 But um 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 643.53 645.88 In one um remote control. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 645.36 646.38 One remote. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 648.55 648.94 Yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 654.79 663.18 Got uh many functions in one uh remote control, um but um yeah you can see, this is uh quite simple uh remote control. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 651.28 654.79 Um yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 663.54 670.14 Um few uh buttons but uh This uh re uh remote control got a a lot of uh buttons. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 670.14 675.02 Um uh people uh don't like it, uh so um 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 683.47 686.65 So uh like uh the on-off uh button. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 695.96 696.95 Um 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 689.74 695.96 Uh everybody everybody knows it so uh uh you don't have to change that. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 686.65 689.74 Uh keep it uh yeah l like a red button. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 676.08 683.47 Well what uh I was uh thinking about was um uh keep the general functions uh like they are. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 707.06 707.92 So um 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 701.83 707.06 Use a display for uh specific uh functions of the different uh device. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 699.03 701.83 My personal uh preferences um. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 708.95 714.91 Wh what I was th uh thinking about was um you've got um 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 732.17 741.45 uh like uh the on-off button uh sound uh I dunno um And um here you've got a s kind of a display. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 725.51 732.17 Uh this the remote control uh and uh you got here the general functions 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 742.76 744.38 It's a touchscreen. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 759.19 764.52 And um you got here uh real buttons for uh selecting uh a device. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 744.38 759.19 So um yeah you got a general f uh f the functions of the device uh for a D. V. D. player or uh so um the pl yeah um f for uh playing uh reverse uh. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 780.34 786.21 So uh you you never got uh all the buttons uh on w one device. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 765.86 780.34 So um this button is for a D. V. D. or So um for every um device you've got a uh a f a b a part uh display of a part buttons. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 790.45 793.23 Um yeah and 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 786.21 790.45 So uh that's uh my uh idea about it. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 786.48 787.63 Hmm. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 790.17 790.44 'Kay. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 799.45 803.95 Uh and um th the buttons uh the real buttons uh we have to use um. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 798.09 799.45 So a touchscreen. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 797.06 798.09 Uh yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 803.95 809.94 We better c um uh use uh quite uh large buttons uh for um yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 794.56 797.06 Uh let's see. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 809.94 812.94 Everybody uh have to use it so 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 813.03 816.64 Uh ol even even old people um young people. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 816.64 822.68 So uh we must keep uh buttons uh quite s uh simple and quite large. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 822.68 825.77 So uh Um 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 823.58 823.86 Yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 828.33 828.96 Uh yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 826.98 828.33 Yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 832.37 832.94 So 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 830.42 832.37 That was uh my uh part of it. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 831.72 833.06 Okay. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 833.06 836.1 Anybody has questions about the technical functions? 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 836.31 842.32 Well I think if we are gonna use a touchscreen uh we're gonna go way above the twelve and a half Euros. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 850.69 856.48 Uh it's just uh um one colo Uh yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 847.51 850.69 S um it's uh not uh in colour or something. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 842.51 844.27 N I I don't think so. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 844.27 847.51 Uh you got uh quite a cheap uh touchscreen. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 842.62 842.95 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 847.05 847.51 Touchscreen. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 857.68 866.83 Uh I seen uh w uh something on the internet uh not today but uh a few uh weeks ago. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 866.83 869.61 Uh you got uh yeah quite an uh 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 871.43 876.85 a kind of uh touchscreen um and it's uh for 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 882.87 885.15 So it's possible. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 878.16 882.87 uh twenty uh Euros or uh less uh. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 882.6 883.14 Huh. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 883.3 883.56 Hmm. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 885.39 886.54 That's nice. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 884.94 885.39 'Kay. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 886.54 887.26 Uh 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 886.27 888.37 Well it would certainly make a fancy design. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 888.56 888.78 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 889.59 889.99 Yeah. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 892.66 895.31 It's very fragile and you can get scratches on it. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 889.68 892.66 But the It wouldn't be very robust. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 889.9 890.6 So 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 895.44 896.06 That is true. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 901.3 906.69 Uh And then we have a little discussion about the requirements and uh design. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 896.05 897.27 That's right. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 897.27 901.3 Uh maybe we can first um listen to your presentation? 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 896.62 897.61 Yeah that's true. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 897.09 898.19 We would have to look into that. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 901.6 901.99 Uh. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 901.66 901.87 Yeah. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 901.68 902.16 That's. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 904.92 905.33 Okay. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 923.51 923.84 Okay. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 920.01 923.51 I think it's going to Uh it's not too much. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 932.85 934.68 The user presses a button. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 923.73 927.77 Okay I've got a presentation about the working design. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 939.99 943.01 The T. V. switches to the frequency, or what function it is. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 934.68 939.99 The remote determines what button it is, uses the infrared to send a signal to the T. V. . 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 930.99 932.85 Everybody knows how a remote works. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 930.03 930.99 It's really simple of course. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 927.77 930.03 Um first about how it works. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 948.11 952.06 It gots conductive disks for every button. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 944.22 948.11 So we've got um the the plate. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 952.06 959.83 When the user presses a button, a signal got sent, goes to the LED and transmits tranmi transmits its to the T. V. . 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 974.68 980.59 The chip uh controls the infrared bulb and perf perhaps a normal bulb. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 970.17 974.68 And uh when a button gets pressed, its goes to the chip. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 968.02 970.17 The power source. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 963.4 966.14 So this is a schematic overview. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 960.05 963.4 It's a very simple device, technically speaking. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 966.14 968.02 You've got the buttons. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 980.59 983.24 When you press a button you can actually see your pressed button. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 994.41 998.41 Uh I think we should focus on aesthetics, the design and the user interface 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 990.94 994.41 Keep the inner workings simple, so it's robust. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 985.58 990.94 Well um I think we should use default materials, simple plastics. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 998.41 1003.01 because if you're going to use high-tech materials the price is going to go sky-high. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1004.88 1011.05 And uh you only have to design a remote once, and if you use high-tech materials it come back in every product. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1012.08 1020.46 So it's, in my idea, it's uh it's gonna be smart to invest in di in design and not in uh in the product itself. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1021.92 1022.5 That's it. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1023.58 1024.01 Thank you. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1023.16 1023.58 Okay. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1031.07 1031.57 Okay. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1038.36 1039.43 Uh 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1041.77 1049.26 Okay now I hope everybody has a little bit more insight in the functions we all have and what we are doing right now. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1049.26 1057.24 Um I'm the Project Manager so I'm here to mess things up and uh tell you some new uh requirements. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1067.39 1078.27 Um that's because uh it will be too complex and the time to market will be too big, if we wanna have it uh for more functions. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1058.24 1067.39 Um that's, we've uh got to design a um remote which is only suitable for T. V. . 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1068.8 1069.17 Okay. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1078.3 1078.53 Mm. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1080.96 1086 Uh another point is we have to skip the teletext 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1086 1096.01 because in the world of uh upcoming internet uh we think teletext is going to be uh a thing of the past. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1078.78 1080.96 So it has to be simple. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1096.01 1100.69 And uh it's a function we don't need in our remote control. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1107.39 1110.63 Uh maybe also on televisions it will be available as well. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1101.83 1107.39 Um internet is also mentioned in a function we can use. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1116.72 1125.78 Uh that's the the market we have to to to target, because we are going to develop a new product which is specially designed for the younger customers. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1111.83 1116.72 Another one is uh the customer is uh forty plus. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1132.57 1136.82 Because he was uh aiming on the the younger persons. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1126.66 1132.57 Um this is uh a bit pity for the Marketing uh Expert. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1136.82 1142 So we have to find a market which is above forty plus uh but which will suit our 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1165.72 1167.21 So I suggest 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1160.26 1165.72 And uh we have to be uh very clear on this point as well. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1146.48 1154.49 And we have to be very uh attent in uh putting the corporate image uh in our product. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1143.04 1146.48 uh remote control, and the other way round. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1154.49 1160.26 So it has to be visible in our design, in the way our device works. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1168.78 1172.15 let's have a discussion on the control functions. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1173.66 1173.99 Yeah. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1174.94 1177.96 So is there any discussion possible about the new product requirement? 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1176.32 1189.25 Uh we can see if we can find a way uh between the functions we wanna use and the market we wanna reach with our product. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1189.25 1190.03 Um 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1188.77 1188.95 Mm. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1198.96 1201.97 And new T. V. s will have internet access on them. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1189.33 1198.96 Yeah 'cause you're you're saying that teletext is gonna be an old feature and it's not gonna be used anymore anyway pretty soon. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1201.97 1208.63 But I think if you're targeting people of forty plus, the chance that they will have a T. V. with internet access 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1209.76 1212.78 within the next like twenty years is very slim. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1221.33 1225.43 So I think it's pretty dumb to put no teletext feature on it. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1214.14 1221.33 In addition people indicated that teletext simply was an important feature for the remote control. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1214.21 1214.6 Yeah. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1227.36 1228.4 I'm pretty much against it. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1229.56 1230.91 Against the no teletext? 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1230.07 1230.44 Mm. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1230.95 1232.67 Yes. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1232.98 1234.36 Um 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1235.33 1238.78 Besides that, I think the market for forty plus is like 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1239.83 1240.63 pretty small. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1243.2 1248.73 But I mean if I s if I see this, it's I think we're just gonna go for another 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1244.06 1245.93 forty 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1244.22 1245.59 Yeah it's it is 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1249.58 1251.07 Standard remote. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1250.42 1250.83 pretty 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1252.41 1253.83 No I think we can 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1252.92 1254.39 and not innovative 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1255.51 1262.38 I think we can do a lot with the design and the simple buttons which were also mentioned. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1262.38 1269.7 Uh if we put a lot of effort in those, we can make a remote control with uh just two or three buttons. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1269.7 1275.77 Or just a remote which is suitable for the market we wanna reach because it is forty percent of the market. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1255.65 1256.38 remote control. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1273.57 1274.15 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1276.6 1283.05 And um if you look in Holland at the whole generation of forty plus,
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1283.05 1289.92 fifty plus, it it's the the biggest share of the of the whole population now. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1291.04 1292.98 Yes but it's not the biggest part of the 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1294.2 1294.57 market. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1295.49 1295.84 No. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1295.58 1299.73 And besides that, they're not very critical so I mean they don't really care 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1300.7 1303.15 what the remote control is like. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1303.15 1306.88 They'll just pretty much take the first thing they see and which looks acceptable. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1308.73 1316.68 But don't you think that if we make a remote which is uh typically made for this market 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1316.68 1324.56 that people think the people think that's the the device I've looked for although I didn't realise it. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1324.56 1326.04 So let's try it. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1326.95 1327.22 No. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1328.22 1329.61 I think that would be the case in the 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1331 1334.14 sixteen to forty five age category. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1336.26 1340.77 because they are critical and they they want to have a fancy remote control. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1340.71 1340.91 Yeah. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1341.96 1346.05 People of forty plus, I mean they want it to work, but 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1347.53 1349.76 as soo as soon as it works it's okay with them. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1351.56 1351.91 Mm. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1351.65 1352.06 Yeah. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1352.77 1360.73 I think that if we're If we put our marketing right um we can sell this just like um I don't know if you've heard about it in the news 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1360.73 1362.81 the the elderly mobile phone? 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1353.21 1353.79 So 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1363.53 1364.47 It's a big success. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1362.98 1363.53 Yeah. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1378.72 1379.4 We just 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1364.66 1372.49 Yeah if we if we make a remote control just l with that idea in mind, we could make tons of money, I think. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1372.49 1378.72 We don't have to focus on on on the on the design then but on functionality. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1365.09 1366.1 I haven't heard of it. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1367.31 1367.68 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1365.52 1367.31 Very big success. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1371.93 1372.15 Hmm. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1371.95 1372.51 Uh. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1372.51 1373.67 I think so as well. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1372.27 1372.64 Mm. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1380.68 1383.46 change our focus on the project, and I think 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1385.01 1386.36 we can uh we can sell this. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1387.22 1390.11 Uh I simply think um 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1398.3 1407.26 are designed for uh younger people, uh so maybe we can focus ourself on the elderly people. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1393.12 1398.3 uh that the new products we are gonna make, uh spef specifically design,
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1408.6 1419.18 And I think we have to um see what requirements we need for those um remote controls. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1419.18 1424.19 'Cause what you told is the channel selection is important. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1424.19 1428.09 Volume selection, power and teletext. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1428.09 1429.49 Okay. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1429.49 1430.4 Um 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1423.96 1424.26 Yes. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1424.61 1425 Mm. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1427.46 1427.89 Yes. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1427.63 1428.82 Yeah. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1430.35 1432.75 But obviously the board tends to disagree. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1433.23 1440.55 No we we haven't voted yet, so Uh I think teletext can be uh 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1441.97 1445.87 um can be a function as well. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1445.87 1447.76 But only if uh if it won't 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1451.34 1457.05 because I don't know if it will be a lot more money to implement teletext as well, but I don't think it will be a problem. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1448.73 1451.34 higher the the cost,
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1458.56 1460.19 Or is teletext a 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1459.03 1463.95 But um deaf people need uh teletext for uh for subtitles. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1463.95 1465.06 So it's Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1463.25 1463.55 Yeah. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1463.51 1464.43 Yeah, also. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1465.97 1467.51 So I suggest uh 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1465.48 1465.97 Yeah. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1466.64 1469.71 I think it'd definitely be a bad idea not to include teletext. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1467.47 1468 It's 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1469.03 1469.34 Mm. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1469.07 1469.45 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1470.57 1473.74 Is anybody um really against teletext? 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1474.4 1474.64 No. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1475.59 1479.56 Just that, that we just keep the teletext. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1475 1475.59 No? 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1481.67 1484.77 I think that's a good idea as well, especially for the subtitles. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1486.8 1487.86 Maybe we can 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1489.48 1491.23 make that um 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1493.46 1497.25 another point of advantage in our remote control,
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1497.25 1505.87 if we uh make a k a button ex for example for big subtitles, which is instantly on the remote control. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1505.87 1511.73 For elderly people they can think, oh I wanna have subtitles, and they push the button and they get the big subtitles. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1505.85 1506.6 Yeah yeah. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1512.2 1513.3 Uh that's a good idea. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1512.45 1513.22 Yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1513.22 1513.75 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1520.64 1521.68 Um 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1514.02 1520.64 Um so I think teletext can v can be very useful in our advantage. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1523.24 1526.17 Functionality should be few buttons, you said. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1527.62 1527.99 Yes. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1528.29 1532.39 I think uh that's very important we have a few buttons. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1528.52 1528.65 Yeah. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1533.07 1533.33 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1535.32 1537.01 So to keep it simple. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1535.95 1536.25 But 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1537.94 1540.38 I don't think that's really an issue any more 'cause 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1541.63 1542.63 Well might be. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1543.91 1546.17 If it's only for televi Yeah. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1544.17 1548.58 But I mean it, if it's only for T. V. you're not gonna need a lot of buttons anyway. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1548.58 1553.29 You need a one to zero button, next channel, previous channel, 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1547.15 1547.36 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1548.69 1549.13 No. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1551.76 1552.25 Yeah. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1554.41 1558.21 volume up, volume down, and some teletext buttons but 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1559.52 1559.77 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1562 1563.18 But do you need 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1562.13 1563.6 I think if you if you only l 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1562.51 1567.13 So we can s we can skip the display, so uh we don't need it. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1566.54 1572.19 But do you need the buttons for one to zero. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1572.19 1573.39 Maybe c we can 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1567.41 1568.11 Nah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1572.47 1573.29 Uh 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1572.58 1575.08 Think if you're gonna include teletext you do. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1575.08 1577.4 I think many people like to use that. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1577.4 1585.06 'Cause if you should, if you want to switch from channel one to like thirty five, you don't wanna push the next channel button thirty five times. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1577.11 1579.11 Maybe we can use uh 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1577.63 1577.92 Yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1584.22 1584.39 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1584.91 1587.97 No, maybe we can implement the scroll button? 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1589.84 1591.54 Or a joystick like? 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1590.32 1590.72 Mm. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1596.49 1601.68 The Sony telephone has a scroll button which is very useful in searching names or 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1594.5 1596.49 Just look if you look at telephones. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1593.04 1594.5 There are other ways too. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1595.7 1596.13 Yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1597.73 1598.1 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1600.07 1600.29 Yeah. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1603.26 1605.25 That's true but um 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1606.99 1610.89 I don't think there are many T. V. s that can switch channels that fast. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1610.89 1612.38 And so you would need like 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1613.63 1618.99 the T. V. would need an a function where you can actually view all channels and scroll through it. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1620.25 1622.2 And I dunno if many channels would 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1625.08 1626.12 If many T. V. s have that. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1624.2 1625.08 do have that. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1632.75 1635.48 They're not used to using scroll buttons. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1635.48 1638.6 So perhaps we should s stick to the basic layout. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1626.93 1632.75 And besides that it's um If we're gonna focus on elderly people they'll have to adapt. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1626.06 1626.93 Yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1626.83 1627.25 Mm. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1635.36 1635.9 That's right. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1635.81 1636.11 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1635.98 1636.18 Mm. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1642.36 1650.76 Yeah they can see how much buttons there are going to be on on the display, and if it's too much we can uh reconsider it. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1653.28 1654.93 Or there don't have to be a lot. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1640.05 1642.36 the numbers yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1650.76 1653.28 But I think there won't be very much buttons. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1651.31 1651.63 Yeah. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1654.01 1660.63 But I don't think I think if you're gonna make a remote control only to operate a T. V., you there's not much you can gain on 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1673.13 1675.4 I don't think there's much to be gained in that area. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1661.67 1664.97 um having as few buttons as possible. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1664.97 1673.13 'Cause I think there are pretty many remote controls that can only operate a T. V., which already only have the minimum number of buttons. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1676.18 1678.13 The number of buttons? 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1678.13 1680.82 I think it's very important in the in the design. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1676.2 1676.8 Hmm. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1677.79 1678.03 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1687.63 1690.41 And if you have less buttons you can do a lot more with 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1681.93 1687.63 You can make a very fancy design uh with putting the buttons on the right places. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1691.61 1700.01 That is true but I think there's simply not much to gain on the competition when you when you're making a remote control only for to operate only the T. V. . 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1701.66 1703.39 To operate only the T. V. yeah. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1702.17 1708.97 'Cause if you have a a remote control only to operate a T. V. there's simply not a lot of buttons required. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1710.06 1715.53 There's not a lot of functions required so most existing remote controls simply don't have a lot of buttons either. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1715.8 1716.11 No. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1716.14 1716.37 No. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1717.28 1717.91 So. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1717.66 1721.84 So I think it would be very hard to actually gain on the competition here. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1722.85 1723.93 So we can 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1722.53 1722.85 'Kay. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1723.04 1726.02 That would that would cost a a big marketing 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1728.15 1728.83 expedition 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1728.17 1728.77 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1729.82 1730.31 That's right. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1730.4 1730.99 which was 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1731.97 1736.63 one of the arguments to make it only for the T. V. because we didn't have the time to market a lot. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1738 1744.34 So you suggest we could better um focus on for example the docking station. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1737 1738 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1745.7 1747.17 Uh uh like other functions. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1749.59 1752.1 Instead of f of less buttons. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1749.74 1750.34 Maybe. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1752.79 1753.08 Well 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1754.13 1758.45 yeah I think, mean we obviously need a good way to position all the buttons and 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1759.39 1761.53 But I don't think we should spend very much time in that. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1762.38 1763.06 Mm. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1764.56 1766.71 Do you think the docking station will 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1763.06 1764.56 No. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1767.88 1771.15 uh is allowed in the budget we have? 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1772.61 1774.26 It should be possible yes. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1776.04 1779.13 And if the remote stays rather small, it should be possible yeah. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1774.26 1776.04 If it's not too fancy. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1774.03 1775.04 'Cause it can be 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1774.35 1775.08 No. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1776.19 1776.6 No. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1778.99 1779.91 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1779.91 1781.53 Because I think that's uh 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1779.4 1779.57 No. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1782.56 1784.56 That's a good advantage point as well. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1784.56 1793.63 If we have a fancy-looking docking station or very That's a nice requirement. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1785.69 1786.12 Yes. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1789.09 1789.25 Hmm. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1794.83 1795.8 Docking station. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1797 1799.02 So we're just gonna focus on the extras? 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1800.46 1801.12 I think so. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1801.24 1801.42 Yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1801.82 1802 Mm. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1801.92 1804.28 Yeah I think maybe we should do some research into 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1805.31 1807.33 what elderly people like to have in a 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1808.23 1808.65 Yeah. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1808.5 1810.39 like to have extra in a new remote control. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1811.17 1812.59 That's a good point. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1812.59 1813.9 Um 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1816.42 1818.68 You said they easily get lost as well. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1820 1824.43 Yes well fifty percent of the people indicated that remote control tended to get lost. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1822.91 1823.22 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1824.57 1829.39 So maybe we should implement the audio sign, or something. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1839.19 1842.52 And you just press a button and the phone goes ringing. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1829.65 1831.88 Yeah that was what I suggested. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1831.88 1839.19 You have it on Yeah you have it's on some phones too, which have a docking station. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1831.03 1831.46 Yeah. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1831.58 1835.48 Like with your key-chain, if you whistle it goes uh it makes a sound. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1832.88 1833.49 Yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1834.41 1834.71 Hm. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1839.11 1839.36 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1847.06 1851.26 I think it's not too expensive. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1842.67 1843.23 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1843.23 1847.06 So audio signal should be possible as well. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1851.26 1852.79 Uh another 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1843.28 1844.03 So you know where it is. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1848.31 1848.83 No. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1854.3 1856.92 point is the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1859.2 1865.91 Um I don't know if that will rise the cost too much, because 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1865.23 1869.74 Y i um I think we'll have to choose between the docking station or the screen, 'cause 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1871.66 1872.91 It will be too much as well. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1870.82 1871.66 Yeah. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 1871.19 1871.91 it's uh 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1871.5 1871.8 Mm. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1873.15 1877.01 I think since a lot of people indicated that a new remote control is hard to learn 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1889.28 1890.68 Which would tell you what it does. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1877.01 1883.55 and we're focusing on elderly people here which tend to have a hard time understanding new devices,
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1883.55 1889.28 it might be a good idea to have just a little screen on it, which would explain a button if you press it. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1892.2 1892.48 Yeah. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1893.11 1897.47 And it wouldn't have to be touchscreen or a very expensive screen, but 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1895.66 1896.1 Based. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1897.09 1897.56 Yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1895.96 1897.09 Okay. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1898.96 1900.15 Just the L. C. D. . 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1900.15 1901.7 Oh just the normal screen. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1902.38 1904.69 Just a small screen with two 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1906.79 1907.43 Feedback. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1904.17 1906.79 So Some extra info. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1903.17 1904.17 That's a good idea. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1906.96 1907.36 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1909.39 1910.6 I think that's a good idea as well. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1908.98 1909.39 Yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1909.01 1909.28 Yeah. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1911.51 1913.07 But I dunno if that would 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1914.64 1915.84 As the small screen. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1915.19 1916.35 that would fit into the 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1919.72 1920.28 costs. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1924.27 1925.8 Extra button info. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1938.69 1942.33 Should be fancy to, fancy design, easy to learn. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1938 1938.69 More. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1929.41 1932.7 I think that should be possible as well. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1936.39 1938 Mm. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1942.33 1944.69 Few buttons, we talked about that. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1944.69 1947.68 Docking station, L. C. D. . 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1932.7 1936.39 Um let's see what did we say. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1947.68 1950.87 Um general functions 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1952.5 1953.17 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1956.04 1956.46 'Kay. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1960.37 1962.8 And default materials. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1974.89 1976.88 So that doesn't really matter. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1964.52 1974.89 I think that's a good idea as well, because um elderly people don't mind if it's a titanium cover or just a plastic one. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1976.88 1979.44 So I think we nee 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1975.2 1975.79 No. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 1975.67 1975.91 Mm. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1978.99 1984.37 I think probably elderly people would be a little bit more careful with their remote controls than 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 1985.53 1986.1 youngsters. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1999.66 2006.87 Because I think what we're going to design now is for people above sixty, maybe. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1988.8 1993.16 Uh let's um specify the target group. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 1993.16 1999.66 Because are we talking about elderly elderly people or people from forty to eighty. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 2009.54 2009.7 Yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 2009.07 2009.54 Mm. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 2009.37 2009.54 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2010.43 2011.35 Uh what do we want? 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2011.35 2019.25 If we want um a with uh for example the the telephone for elderly people, we can 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 2011.08 2011.83 I think 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2020.51 2022.52 target the real elderly people. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 2024.27 2028.07 I think that would be a If we should do something like that it would be a 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 2028.07 2031.98 I think it would be really good for uh for the image of the company. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2033.23 2033.52 Yeah. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 2033.79 2036.81 And I think, I think there would be a good market for it. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2038.01 2039.05 So that's the 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 2038.5 2042.11 If we're able to really bring an innovative product. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2042.48 2045.35 Now you're talking about sixty to eighty for example. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 2045.1 2046.48 Yeah the really 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2046.81 2048.71 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2048.71 2049.39 Sixty. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 2047.35 2047.49 Mm. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 2048.3 2048.56 But 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 2050.42 2051.96 I'd have to look into that a little more. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2052.34 2053.44 Okay. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2056.42 2057.13 Are we 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2053.44 2056.42 And different cultures. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 2057.39 2060.94 Well I don't think they have different television sets uh 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 2062.02 2062.55 Mm. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2062.21 2062.73 Okay. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 2062.34 2063.44 in uh every country. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2064.19 2064.62 No. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 2064.8 2065.16 No. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 2065.46 2066.02 'Cause 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2067.61 2070.08 We've got five minutes left just now. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2070.08 2070.94 Small warning. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 2068.42 2070 So 'Kay. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 2069.67 2070.58 'Kay. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 2070.58 2075.17 And with uh the little screen in it, which explains the buttons. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 2075.17 2077.94 You could I think we n it would be a lot easier to 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2075.16 2075.67 Should 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 2078.94 2081.13 adapt it to different cultures. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2083.6 2083.96 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2082.09 2083.6 In different languages, you know. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2081.65 2082.09 Yeah. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 2083.17 2083.46 Yeah. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 2083.37 2083.66 Yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 2083.9 2084.14 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2098.8 2103.23 Uh then a few small things. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2094.64 2095.98 Okay. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2095.98 2098.8 So that's the the target. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2090.85 2094.64 It's better to put it on different markets with it all. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2085.21 2090.85 or you have to put a language button in it, but that will be a bit unnecessary I think. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 2086.12 2086.46 Right. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 2089.03 2089.85 No. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 2089.85 2090.19 Yeah. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 2090.25 2090.57 Yeah. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 2093.64 2094.06 Yeah. 
TS3003b H02 MTD0010ID 2094.57 2094.82 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2105.96 2108.08 Uh okay. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2112.26 2121.02 Um what we're going to do for the next meeting is the Industrial Designer will do the components concept,
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2108.08 2112.26 I will put the minutes in the project uh project document folder. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2121.02 2124.32 User Interface Designer the user interface concept, and the trend-watching. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2124.58 2134.92 So just keep in mind the things we've said about the target group, uh requirements, and the trends which are uh going on. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2134.92 2139.55 And uh specific instructions will be sent to you by uh the personal coach. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 2140.48 2140.62 'Kay. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2140.81 2143.85 So um I thank you for this meeting. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2143.85 2146.56 And I think we have a lunch-break now. 
TS3003b H03 MTD012ME 2147.13 2147.75 That's good. 
TS3003b H01 MTD011UID 2147.67 2147.86 Yeah. 
TS3003b H00 MTD009PM 2147.94 2149.36 So that's a good thing. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 33.46 36.02 Um let's see. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 30.93 33.46 I did anyway. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 22.71 24.25 Uh good afternoon. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 21.26 22.71 Okay. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 24.25 28.37 This is our third meeting already. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 28.37 30.93 I hope you enjoyed your lunch. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 24.09 24.64 Good afternoon. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 43.09 48.44 Okay this is um the second phase uh we're going to discuss today. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 51.62 60.95 And a few points of interest in this meeting um are the conceptual specification of components. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 39.61 43.09 Presentation three. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 48.44 51.62 It's the conceptual design meeting. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 64.09 66.22 And also trend-watching. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 66.22 75.8 Um these are hopefully the points you addressed in uh your pre uh presentations you're going to show me in a few minutes. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 61.25 64.09 Uh conceptual specification of design. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 93.83 96 And then we're closing. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 84.04 86.21 Then we have three presentations. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 91.42 93.83 How we're going to make it. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 86.21 91.42 Uh after that we have to come to a decision on remote control concepts. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 82.15 84.04 Uh first the opening. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 77.08 82.15 Um but first I'll show you the agenda. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 96 98 We have about forty minutes. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 99.11 102.21 Uh so I suggest let's get started. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 102.21 107.47 Uh did someone encounter any problems during the preparation? 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 109.64 110.51 No? 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 111.82 112.56 That's nice. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 110.51 111.82 Everything fine? 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 109.75 109.97 No. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 137.69 139.87 And we are going to use default materials. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 121.77 124.69 Uh these are the points um we agreed on. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 124.69 127.58 The requirements and the target market. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 114.8 121.77 Then a little uh thing about the last meeting. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 127.58 137.69 Uh requirements are uh teletext, docking station, audio signal, small screen, with some extras that uh button information. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 148.52 156.11 These are just the the things we thought of, so maybe if you figured something else or thought of something else, just let me know. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 156.11 157.55 And maybe we can uh work it out. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 146.61 147.91 Maybe? 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 147.91 148.52 No? 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 141.37 146.61 Um does somebody have any comments on these requirements? 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 158.44 163.34 And we're going to target uh sixty to to eighty year old customers. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 165.11 174.02 So now everybody knows what we're do we're doing, um I suggest let's get started with the presentations. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 175.32 180.12 So shall we keep the same uh line-up as uh last time? 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 181.91 183 I'll start off then. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 180.27 181.91 Sure. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 180.89 181.24 Okay. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 182.67 184.52 Good luck. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 192.77 193.34 Doh. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 209.95 212.24 Um we've done some market research. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 212.24 216.1 We distributed some more enquetes, questionnaires. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 203.97 209.95 'Kay I'm uh gonna inform you about the trend-watching I've done over the past few days. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 216.7 227.28 And um besides that um I deployed some trend-watchers to Milan and Paris to well get all of the newest trends. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 227.28 235.25 And I've consulted some additional trend-watch trend-watchers, after the original trend-watchers return, about what the 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 240.88 245.09 Um okay these are some overall findings. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 245.09 249.6 Um most important thing is the fancy design. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 249.6 254.62 Um the research indicated that that was by far the most important factor. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 236.85 240.88 the best design would be. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 262.39 267.76 By innovativeness this means um functions which are not featured in other remote controls. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 255.1 262.39 Um innovativeness was about half as important as the fancy design. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 268.97 278.39 Um about half of, half as important as the innovativeness was the was easy to use. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 278.39 291.93 Um for our um group, we're focusing on the people of sixty to eighty y years old, this is um, these factors are slightly more equal. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 298.3 301.02 Uh the older people prefer dark colours. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 305.33 310.93 And our surveys have indicated that especially wood is pretty much 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 295.07 298.3 'Kay these are some more group specific findings. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 301.02 305.33 Uh they like recognisable shapes, and familiar material. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 312 316.33 the material for older people. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 316.33 327.64 Um this is, this image will give you a little bit of an impression about um the look-and-feel that um the remote should have. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 331.07 335.2 Um this leads us to some personal preferences. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 335.2 339.33 Uh the remote control and the docking station should uh blend in in the 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 340.45 342.26 in the room. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 355.57 362.7 because this would be the These would uh be the innovativeness in the remote control. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 342.26 347.97 Um so this would mean no uh eye-catching designs. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 347.97 355.57 Just keep it simple and Well the docking station and small screen would be our main points of interest 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 363.93 368.96 So this would be very important that we at least include these features. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 368.96 379.01 Um well the trend-watchers I consulted advised that it b should be, the remote control and the docking station should be telephone-shaped. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 379.01 384.7 So you could imagine that uh the remote control will be standing up straight in the docking station. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 390.85 399.58 So they would prefer uh a design where the remote control just lies flat in the docking station. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 399.58 401.7 So it would be kinda more telephone-shaped. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 385.5 390.85 This is not really This is pretty much a new shape to uh older people. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 402.66 413.14 Um besides that we would advise um to bring two editions, one with a wood-like colour and maybe feel, and one with a grey-black colour. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 413.14 418.09 The wood-like for the more uh exclusive people. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 418.09 419.98 People with more money. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 419.98 422.27 Uh the grey-black colour for well 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 425.33 427.3 people with less means. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 430.97 432.03 That would be all. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 437.36 437.58 Mayb 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 434.95 437.36 Any questions about the the trends? 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 433.09 434.95 Thank you. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 432.55 433.09 Okay. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 436.35 437.11 Any questions? 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 438.38 439.43 Mm no. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 442.22 443.65 Okay, we go on to the next one. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 440.59 442.22 No? 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 479.69 485.34 So uh um uh that's w what I what I want to uh 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 468.2 472.37 uh some uh research uh a about um designing of an interface. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 464.17 468.2 Um 'kay um yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 472.37 479.69 Um the uh last meeting uh we had a about um uh using a f few buttons. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 496.75 504.06 Um the uh I found some uh something about uh speech uh recognition. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 486.81 490.88 uh to do in uh our design. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 504.06 507.25 So maybe uh we can uh use uh that. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 507.25 509.31 Um 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 490.88 496.75 So um finding an attractive uh way to control uh the remote control. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 509.39 512.41 Uh and uh using a little uh display. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 512.41 515.84 So um findings. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 515.84 522.63 Um yeah just um we have just to focus on the primary um functions. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 537.94 539.3 Um yeah and 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 533.86 537.94 Um uh let's see. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 522.79 533.86 So uh only uh buttons uh for uh sound, um for uh on-off, um uh shifting u up uh sa uh ca channel or uh down shifting down. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 550.76 559.04 So uh it's uh like a speak uh speech uh recognition and um a special button for selecting uh subtitles. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 559.04 562.47 Just uh what we uh mentioned uh last uh meeting. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 540.53 550.76 Uh we uh need some uh new a attractive functions uh uh which attract uh uh people for using it. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 567.36 570.79 So uh using uh large large buttons. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 570.79 571.76 Um 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 563.4 567.36 Um and yeah overall um user-friendly. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 574.59 581.27 It's uh possible to uh uh to make um quite cheap uh system for uh speech uh recognition. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 590.78 593.15 So uh uh yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 581.27 590.78 Um you can think about um uh when you lost your um remote control, you can uh call it and um it gives an um sig signal. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 603.94 609.72 you can uh just give a sign uh say um sound off or 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 593.55 603.94 And and uh for uh shifting up a sen uh c ch channel or uh for um uh putting out uh sound or something 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 610.35 612.48 A and uh yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 616.66 617.9 Um 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 612.48 616.66 Television uh put the sound off uh put the sound off uh. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 620.17 621.07 Uh yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 621.07 627.54 I was thinking about the special uh button for uh subtitles, um just one button to keep it uh simple. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 619.79 620.17 Let's see. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 627.54 631.87 Uh one push on the button uh you get uh uh small uh subtitles. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 632.53 642.04 Um double push push um, if double click, um so uh you get uh big uh subtitles, for uh people uh 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 643.28 649.65 um uh which c f uh who can't uh read small uh subtitles. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 649.65 651.67 So uh Um 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 653 659.77 Yeah and w we have to keep uh in general buttons uh so um we've got um the buttons we have to use. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 659.77 666.08 The on-off, sound on-off, sound higher or lower, um the numbers, uh zero to uh uh nine. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 667.22 674.99 Um the general buttons m more general b one button for shifting up and shifting down uh channel. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 674.99 685.47 Um also we want to uh use a little d display uh for um for displaying the uh the functions of the buttons. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 686.09 695.46 And um we can uh build in a function f which uh shows the channel or some uh which the t television is on. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 701.61 702.33 Um 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 695.46 701.61 So um made a little uh picture of uh it. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 703.62 704.29 See. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 712.19 718.24 Just um we can put uh the on-off button uh over in this uh corner 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 732.71 734.16 So um 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 709.75 712.19 Um yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 725.71 732.71 Um so uh people uh will uh recognise uh um the button. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 718.24 725.71 um almost uh e all uh remote controls uh are using a on-off button on that place. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 740.43 743.12 Uh um you can put it uh on top. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 735.38 740.43 D display uh of it, it's uh just a small display. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 743.12 746.15 Um it's uh most uh 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 751.99 760.41 So uh um and a special uh button for shifting up uh and uh shifting down uh channel 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 760.41 765.85 um it's uh on place where um the thumb of of the 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 747.88 751.99 uh place where people uh, most of looks at. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 770.38 774.04 Um it's uh quite uh 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 767.21 770.38 So you you can uh easily uh shift up or shift down. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 776.23 783.16 So um and uh all the f functions for subtitle uh one button, uh for sound uh 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 775.6 776.23 handy place. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 784.71 793.04 Uh and uh for our design, um uh we have to discuss about it uh I think uh so uh the form of it so 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 794.24 794.55 Okay. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 794.71 795.73 And that's it. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 796.33 797.87 Uh thank you. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 807.71 808.33 Okay. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 833.6 836.01 So I don't think it's really an option. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 828.29 833.6 But if we choose for that option, the docking station would c become obsolete. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 816.73 823.21 Um for the energy source we can use a basic battery or, a as an optional thing,
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 814.38 816.73 About the components design. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 823.21 828.29 a kinetic energy, like in a watch, which you just shake and it produces energy. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 845.83 848.59 It's really up the the design that we're gonna use. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 836.87 845.83 Uh for the casing, uh the uh manufacturing department can deliver uh a flat casing, single or double curved casing. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 848.59 853.47 It's uh doesn't uh imply any technical restrictions. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 854.24 861.53 Uh as a case supplement, we could um, I thought of that l later, uh a rubber uh belt, like a anti-slip. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 863.41 866.77 Uh for the b buttons, we can use plastic or rubber. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 866.77 873.26 And the chip-set, um it says simple here, but it should be advanced, because we're using an L. C. D. uh screen. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 874.18 880.26 And as uh the trend-watcher presentation showed, um people like wood,
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 887.25 889.13 Form should follow function overall. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 880.26 887.25 but it raises the price and it doesn't really fit the image, unless we would start two product lines. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 915.23 915.76 And that's it. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 900.47 907.06 Um for the case, uh the supplement and the buttons, it really depends on the designer. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 889.7 895.54 Um well the kinetic energy source is rather fancy. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 907.06 915.23 And the chip-set uh really should be advanced because otherwise uh it would really be a simple uh remote control. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 895.54 898.17 But depends on what we want. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 898.17 900.47 I think we should disc discuss that. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 916.21 917.39 Okay. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 917.39 917.84 Thank you. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 920.09 924.32 So that brings us to the discussion about our concepts. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 926.95 927.81 Mm. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 934.63 934.94 'Kay. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 945.06 948.25 So these are the points we have to discuss. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 949.6 953.18 Um first 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 955.54 960.21 I think we can talk about the energy source, since that's um 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 969.08 970.11 Uh so 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 961.65 969.08 has a pretty big influence on production price, uh and image. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 971.25 979.27 uh f I think first of all we have to see uh it is possible to introduce kinetic energy in our budget, I think. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 987.19 991.13 You don't wanna swing before you can watch television. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 984.36 987.19 But I don't think that's really an option. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 992.61 996.67 But not every room is very light so it's not a very good option. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 996.67 997.67 Or the kinetic energy. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 977.98 979.92 Yes w there there are four options. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 991.13 992.61 Uh solar cells. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 982.73 984.36 Uh a hand dynamo. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 979.92 982.73 We could use the basic normal battery. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 982.32 982.66 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 984.83 987.78 Okay. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 990.66 991.03 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 994.4 994.85 Mm. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 995.59 996.16 No. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 999.41 1000.38 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1000.38 1001.06 Okay. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1003.7 1004.24 You just 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1000.75 1003.7 And how exactly does the kinetic energy work? 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1003.6 1007.54 Well y you basically shake your remote, and then it powers up. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1007.54 1007.88 Yeah. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1005.16 1007.47 You use it and it works. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1008.48 1008.84 Yeah. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1010.1 1017.06 Well personally I don't think that older people like to shake their remote control before they use it. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1009.02 1010.1 Okay. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1009.07 1009.4 Nah. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1016.48 1017.42 Yeah. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1017.42 1018.16 That's true. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1024.99 1032.67 And I think our docking station could be one of the marketing issues with which we can um 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1019.23 1024.99 And besides that you mentioned it would make the docking station obsolete. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1023.66 1023.76 Oh. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1033.72 1035.59 get great popularity for our product. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1037.68 1038.13 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1038 1038.51 But 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1038.44 1040.07 Um wel 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1040.66 1043.74 Yeah f for loading up uh the batteries. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1039.73 1040.66 what's the function? 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1044.23 1051.96 Yeah you could load up the batteries, you could um insert the find the lost remote control function in there. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1045.02 1045.41 B b 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1072.93 1073.32 Uh so 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1058.64 1068.11 Uh it's uh just a small display so I believe uh it will run on one battery for um six months or f or or more. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1068.11 1072.93 So I believe one battery uh is just enough. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1052.8 1058.64 Okay but uh it won't use uh much e energy uh I I believe. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1068.73 1069.21 Uh 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1080.77 1087.73 And I don't think they they like uh remotes just laying everywhere in their rooms. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1073.99 1080.77 Uh well I think uh elderly people just like to have everything in place. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1087.73 1091.57 So maybe a docking station will help them give the remote a place. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1074.9 1077.2 That's true. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1087.18 1087.63 Okay. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1090.92 1091.11 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1091.11 1091.82 That's true. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1091.82 1092.03 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1093.69 1101.86 Um you can introduce voice recognition by uh finding back your remote. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1101.86 1109.64 But I think it's um more efficient and cheaper to put it in the docking station. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1092.41 1093.69 And also what you said. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1109.64 1114.41 So you have a but button on your docking station which you can push, and then it starts beeping. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1100.48 1100.7 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1101.7 1102.13 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1114.8 1115.65 Okay. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1116.26 1122.14 And then we can we can still use the voice recognition, but maybe then for only the the channels. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1117.93 1118.58 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1122.65 1123.01 Uh. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1123.23 1123.96 That's safe. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1123.33 1129.54 I'm wondering um what will the voice recognition mean for the production price? 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1130.83 1131.98 That's a good point. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1130.24 1130.83 Yeah. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1131.38 1134.02 Mm I don't have any information on pricing. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1134.02 1136.32 So I'll have to ask the manufacturing department. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1136.65 1136.96 Mm. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1137.33 1145.57 'Cause in our earlier um market research, if you'd allow me to go to the flat board, SMARTboard. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1144.38 1144.77 Go ahead. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1142.65 1144.38 Yeah, sure. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1150.58 1152.35 Um so it was open here. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1153.61 1155.94 Um we also um 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1168.27 1172.29 So if that would increase the price for which we're selling our remote control 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1159.13 1163.69 asked if w they would, if people would pay more for speech recognition in a remote control. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1163.69 1168.27 Well you can see here, our target group would not do that. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1167.86 1168.27 No. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1173.23 1173.36 Mm. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1173.92 1176.67 I would greatly advise not to do it. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1176.67 1181.75 I think that would be better to uh insert in our other product, that is meant for the 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1176.47 1176.9 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1183.13 1183.3 Yeah. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1183.21 1183.91 younger people. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1185.32 1188.1 But that would also go for the L. C. D. screen then I guess. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1185.63 1186.21 'Kay. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1189.47 1191.65 It's a bit higher percentage, but 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1199.24 1202.5 So that doesn't really mean they wouldn't pay extra for it. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1193.11 1199.24 Um well this is Yeah but this is here the question was, would you prefer it. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1202.5 1209.7 And on top of that the L. C. D. screen would um help in making the remote control easier to use. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1210.7 1210.91 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1211.95 1212.66 Yeah. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1212.14 1217.73 And I think a voice recognition function would not make the remote control much easier to use. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1212.3 1212.67 Okay. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1217.91 1219.61 No, I think that's a good point. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1216.95 1217.91 Easier to use? 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1220.1 1230.74 But uh is uh our uh research um about um bi large uh L. C. D. sh uh display, or uh just a small one uh we want to uh use? 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1230.63 1237.44 Um well this was for like an L. C. D. screen like you would have on a on the the most advanced mobile phones. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1237.71 1238.2 Okay. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1238.48 1239.71 So pretty large. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1240.02 1240.26 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1240.35 1240.69 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1250.54 1255.07 Because it's just uh some extra information, and it's easy to ignore as well. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1255.07 1257.57 So if you don't wanna use it you just don't use it. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1243.48 1250.54 I personally think the L. C. D. screen we wanna use, with the extra information, I think nobody has anything against it. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1250.59 1250.82 No. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1254.68 1254.92 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1274.31 1279.46 And I don't think the I don't think it will be a lot easier to use, as well. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1268.89 1274.31 Because it will increase cost uh signifi uh significantly. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1258.42 1268.89 And um yeah I think the um Maybe we have to uh discard the voice recognition. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1280.08 1280.51 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1283.72 1291.26 If we don't have the voice recognition, it will it won't use a lot of energy to use. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1281.22 1283.72 So that brings us back to the energy. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1291.26 1292.27 Um 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1289.74 1290.03 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1293.49 1303.56 So in that case we could use kinetic uh energy, but I think just a simple battery which you can reload on a docking station is just as good. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1303.56 1304.66 And much cheaper as well. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1304.78 1305 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1305.85 1306.5 So 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1305.9 1307.14 And that's the best choice. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1307.7 1313.53 Okay let me just choose for the battery. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1313.53 1314.84 That brings us to the chip. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1315.52 1319.47 Well there isn't any choice there because we're using the the the the display. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1319.47 1321 So it's gotta be advanced. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1317.5 1318.47 Just the advanced. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1321.27 1324.65 Okay, advanced chip. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1321.92 1322.25 'Kay. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1330.09 1334.55 And then we get to the point of the case. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1346.52 1347.32 Or both? 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1334.55 1341.19 Um which brings us a little bit back to marketing as well. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1341.19 1346.52 Uh if we wanna choose for wood or the black and grey. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1357.23 1370.33 Um but I think it will attract elderly people who wanna have something exclusive, which they can show off to their grandkids. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1349.08 1357.23 Um as we saw there is not Yeah wood is a lot more expensive to produce. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1370.33 1372.75 Look I've got a new remote control, and uh 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1355.35 1355.72 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1368.87 1369.36 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1371.39 1378.03 Well And I think most important factor there is the wooden colour. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1378.03 1381.36 So it wouldn't actually have to be wood, if it's just 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1371.88 1373.59 Uh I dunno. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1380.5 1380.85 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1383.51 1383.99 That's right. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1384.85 1385.58 wood-coloured. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1385.06 1385.49 Mm. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1388.5 1389.04 Or? 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1386.17 1388.5 But with colour was a lot more expensive? 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1390.61 1393.05 I'll have to uh research. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1389.25 1390.61 Mm I dunno. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1389.87 1390.38 You don't know? 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1392.12 1395.15 I think so because Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1395.15 1400.64 It's a lot more difficult to to handle and to to get in the right shape. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1394.59 1395.6 Probably. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1395.11 1395.44 Mm. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1417.83 1418.07 So 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1400.79 1404.97 Uh is it possible uh to make um changeable uh case. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1404.97 1417.83 So um uh you 'cause uh Yeah with uh mobile phones uh uh so uh like the Nokia mobile phones, uh when you can change the case of it. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1413.87 1414.21 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1417.83 1418.96 Change the cases. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1418.96 1419.39 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1421.43 1433.82 So um um you have just to make one um standard um remote control, and um yeah you can sell uh few uh Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1419.3 1421.43 maybe it's possible uh possibility. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1432.61 1434.13 You can sell the cases. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1434.13 1435.44 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1435.44 1437.94 I think that's a very good option. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1437.94 1447.68 Because um then you can advertise as well with the Give your grandfather a new case for his remote control, or whatever. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1444.43 1444.74 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1457.96 1459.59 So and then you can make them with colour. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1448.13 1457.96 Because that's a it's something extra, it's something other remotes don't have, which we can get a great advantage point. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1459.59 1461.45 Black and grey, other colours as well. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1452.67 1452.96 Yeah. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1453.95 1455.74 Yeah that is true. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1460.62 1461.08 Yeah. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1461.8 1462.46 Yeah. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1462.46 1466.7 We would have to look carefully into the design though. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1466.05 1466.74 Costs. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1468.87 1475.17 'Cause we would have to make one w uh control which would fit in with a wooden cover and a 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1477.98 1481.53 The more original one, or the more standard one. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1476.46 1477.98 plastic cover. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1477.96 1478.2 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1483.57 1487.7 So you suggest we should design two different telephones 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1482.94 1483.57 Yeah. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1483 1483.55 So that would 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1488.93 1498.3 on which you can apply, yeah remote controls, on which you can apply different case covers, for example. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1489.01 1491.84 Well I wouldn't design a telephone but 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1496.55 1500.94 Well no I think w we should just, we should then just design one um 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1502.18 1502.59 Remote. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1502.37 1508.67 one remote, but it would have to be fancy with either the wood cover or the plastic one. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1507.79 1508.12 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1509.86 1510.36 Okay. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1510.65 1513.05 So, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1514.24 1517.67 So everybody's okay with the changing covers? 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1518.39 1518.62 Yes. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1518.53 1520.59 I think that's a good uh good option. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1518.57 1518.94 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1523.88 1525.55 Changing case covers. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1524.94 1531.51 Um I heard our Industrial Designer talk about uh flat, single and double curved. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1531.51 1533.12 Could you explain that a little more? 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1530.81 1531.23 Yes. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1531.23 1531.58 Yeah. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1533.41 1540.6 Well the the general like most older remotes are flat, just straight. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1540.6 1546.99 And uh our d manufacturing department can also deliver single curved or double curved ca curved cases. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1540.01 1540.34 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1547.27 1549.54 And what would single curved and double curved mean? 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1550.07 1556.22 Um it would just only affect the form, for as far as I know. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1560.03 1562.36 It doesn't really matter for the price or the functionality. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1556.22 1560.03 So it's j really just up to the design department what we're gonna use. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1559.92 1560.33 Okay. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1562.64 1565.39 So we can pretty much just do whatever we want. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1564.12 1565.37 Pick one you like, yes. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1566.62 1567.17 Mm. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1567.17 1567.61 Okay. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1566.64 1566.88 'Kay. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1567.88 1568.23 That's good. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1569.32 1573.18 Uh but the form has to be um It has to 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1576.77 1579.12 Or just only to lie down? 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1574.41 1576.77 It's has to be possible to stand up? 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1578.46 1579.67 No just to lie down. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1579.66 1580.71 okay. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1580.5 1584.16 And the the cover of the the docking station is also 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1581.25 1582.29 We'll go for that. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1587.49 1587.92 Or not? 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1585.25 1587.49 on top of the television then? 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1587.87 1588.89 Well or besides it. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1597.22 1600.48 What type of interface do we want to use? 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1589.91 1591.8 And you can just yeah then click it in. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1593.69 1597.22 Um so the interface. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1591.8 1593.69 That's okay. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1601.88 1607.09 Um maybe you can make a little drawing of it on the 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1607.83 1608.32 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1611.44 1613.81 Does somebody have ideas for a form or 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1609.01 1611.44 on the the board. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1610.9 1611.31 Mm. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1615.37 1621.39 Uh we can just use the regular form of it, but it's um not quite uh fancy. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1621.39 1622.13 So um 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1623.27 1623.65 Yeah. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1641.56 1643.42 So that would be great for that. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1632 1641.56 so your thumb would be easily Well uh I think that was a very good point 'cause I pointed out earlier that a lot of remotes cause R. S. I. . 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1624.57 1632 Um you uh said you wanted to put the um changing channels button on the right side, so you could 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1643.42 1649 Um I thought maybe we could just make one of those buttons on both the left and the right side. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1632.95 1633.14 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1631.83 1632.95 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1650.67 1653.24 For uh Uh for Yeah yeah. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1650.95 1653.55 For left-handed users also. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1653.43 1653.76 Yep. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1654.26 1654.49 Mm. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1655.76 1656.71 Yeah we um 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1676.69 1679.29 Or Or isn't it? 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1667.15 1676.69 And on the uh other uh uh o other side uh buttons for uh shifting, uh for for the sound? 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1658.29 1667.15 Is it possible to um program it s so uh you got on the left side uh or on the right side uh buttons for for shifting u up and shifting up? 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1678.6 1679.85 Um well that could 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1676.54 1678.6 For the volume. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1679.16 1679.89 Mm. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1680.75 1687.21 Yeah we could do that but I'm not sure if that would be very good for the easy, ease of use. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1686.81 1692.52 Usabili Yeah ease of use will be a lot more difficult, and then it's 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1687.84 1688.51 Yeah okay. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1692.63 1692.96 Uh. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1693.96 1705.27 But if we would make um a changing channels and changing volume button on both sides, that would certainly yield great options for the design of the remote. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1706.79 1707.35 Mm. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1707.13 1709.4 'Cause it could be made all symmetrical and stuff. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1710.79 1711.66 Yeah but 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1711.51 1713.49 But you have extra buttons. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1713.49 1714.95 So people can get confused. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1713.34 1713.69 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1714.89 1715.29 Yeah. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1715.52 1716.17 That is true. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1716.46 1716.7 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1717.73 1720.86 Especially if they have the same writings on it. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1722.36 1724.17 See um yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1724.17 1728.25 Or we have to make a left uh For lefties and 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1726.41 1732.34 Can't we make uh Can't we make a remote which you can flip over and use 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1733.4 1734.17 on the same 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1735.09 1735.93 Um 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1735.72 1737.89 functions as the normal one? 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1738.54 1739.8 You mean um 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1740.29 1741.94 Then you have to 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1740.74 1741.65 Yeah if 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1742.91 1743.98 Let's see if I ca 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1746.21 1747.48 A blank one. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1750.68 1752.92 And then you get 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1772.7 1774.82 Here's a little L. C. D. screen. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1777.72 1781.07 Uh now I have to think. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1804.34 1805.53 It's a plus and a min. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1810.69 1815.2 Because the plus and the min will be opposite and all kinds of 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1808.61 1810.69 No it's not very handy I think. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1810.3 1810.88 Mm no. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1813.07 1813.45 Yeah. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1813.2 1813.51 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1816.98 1818.13 No that's not gonna work. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1823.49 1831.17 But is it a problem that left-handed persons use a different hand? 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1831.17 1832.62 I think the functions are 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1821 1823.49 Maybe we should Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1819.82 1821 I guess. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1821.31 1822.36 Um 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1833.89 1839.81 that basic that nobody should have any problems with uh choosing a channel or 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1837.99 1839.3 Yeah. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1839.3 1840.02 That is true. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1839.73 1840.2 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1844.86 1846.87 So um it's 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1841.79 1844.86 It's just uh u using uh your thumb. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1844.6 1845.89 Y yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1847.12 1849.61 I think we could just uh leave it a normal shape. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1845.89 1847.12 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1849.58 1849.92 Yeah. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1849.99 1850.35 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1851.92 1853.65 Uh but maybe we have to 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1857.83 1859.88 In one or ano another way. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1855.66 1857.83 make it a l a bit more fancy. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1860.34 1861.11 Um 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1860.06 1860.34 Yeah. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1865.34 1867.85 Because that's the basis you're building on. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1861.94 1865.34 I think we should start by by choosing a case. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1866.91 1868.32 Yeah yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1868.74 1869.14 Yeah. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1869.23 1869.37 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1871.44 1874.04 Um yeah just 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1871.76 1874.45 So I could draw them out. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1880.24 1881.51 Let's look at the flat case. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1882.71 1883.3 Oh. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1893.58 1899.93 The the single curved so I'm not really sure what they're gonna look like, but I think it's something like this. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1889.73 1893.58 It's from the side so it's rather normal. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1891.38 1892.05 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1891.82 1892.1 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1892.55 1892.91 Yeah. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1907.36 1916.32 So this type should be better for you or better Should prevent repetitive strain injury a bit. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1911.99 1912.48 Easier? 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1918.55 1922.74 And the double curved s looks something like this I guess. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1933.15 1933.41 Mm. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 1933.16 1936 So th those are the three options we have. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1947.09 1955.14 Uh so that elderly people can uh use the remote control and at the same time look easily at the screen,
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1938.28 1947.09 I suggest um the single curved, because maybe the curve is pretty good to put the the screen in. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1955.14 1957.59 because it's a bit, it has a bit of a angle. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1936.23 1938.28 'Kay. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1936.99 1937.19 Mm. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1955.79 1956.63 So um 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1958.76 1960.4 Do you say this um 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1963.28 1964.3 S uh 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1967.67 1972.66 Uh you got like uh sort of a I believe There? 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 1972.52 1972.77 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1978.49 1979.53 Or not? 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1979.53 1979.8 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1974 1978.49 So um you want to put a display over here? 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1979.54 1980.3 I think so. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1980.3 1980.56 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1979.09 1979.54 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1981.41 1982.39 Um 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1991.94 1992.83 This down. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1985.03 1989.45 Uh we can make it um Mm? 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1990.55 1991.94 So uh this top. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2000.43 2001.09 Um 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1989.45 1990.55 That's the top. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1992.83 2000.43 Um maybe it's possible to uh make this side like um Let's see. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 1983.62 1985.03 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1984.97 1985.86 But now it's 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1986.88 1991.53 Do you have it upside down or Do you have it this that's top? 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 1992.49 1992.9 Okay. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2001.96 2004.28 Colour uh okay. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2010.75 2014.25 Uh to make this side um like mm 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2018.5 2022.17 Um bit like so uh um in the form of your hand. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2022.17 2023.04 So um 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2016.7 2018.5 the right colour. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2024.46 2025.45 Uh it's an 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2025.82 2026.22 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2026.95 2031.57 So so the remote control have to um lay in your hand. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2031.57 2035.36 So uh it's possib um yeah for s so and 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2034.61 2035.81 So get your mouse. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2035.81 2036.18 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2037.14 2041.51 And to put uh the the buttons for um 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2042.86 2046.2 changing uh the channel uh over here uh 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2049.61 2053.86 But I think it's better to put the screen uh on top. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2046.92 2048.31 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2048.31 2049.61 That's a good one. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2049.46 2049.69 Yeah. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 2049.54 2049.69 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2054.6 2056.44 Uh rem 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2063.39 2065.92 If you can have this one, you turn it like this. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2055.63 2063.39 So just flip it a hundred and eighty degrees around then you get here. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2065.92 2067.61 And then flip it upside down. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2059.11 2061.5 Yeah but this place um 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2068.38 2070.6 Uh it's Yeah I dunno um 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2070.42 2074.9 Because uh maybe your hand is in the way, if you have the display here. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2074.03 2074.36 Yeah. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 2074.3 2074.62 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 2076.52 2081.85 It's more logical to have it on top as well because, like on your mobile phone, it's always above. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2078.6 2079 I think i 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2079.05 2080.61 Yeah so 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 2081.37 2081.79 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2081.51 2081.88 On top. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2086.19 2086.69 So 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2086.92 2087.91 Yeah. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 2088.03 2090.3 Oh maybe you should just s start on a blank page. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2089.01 2092.88 So then we get 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 2090.56 2091.19 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2106.36 2108.38 Here's That's the curve. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2117.25 2118.75 Five minutes. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2122.81 2125.09 Here the display, and then buttons. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2125.09 2131.75 Yeah and then we can have a little bit off here and here maybe. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2131.75 2134.21 Just that's for left hand and right hand users. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2134.14 2134.89 Yeah. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 2134.48 2134.8 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2136.08 2139.58 And then h the rest of the buttons over here. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2140.34 2144.63 But um the on-off button, um still on the top uh Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2138.92 2140.34 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2143.6 2144.98 Yeah still here jus 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2145.84 2146.11 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2146.53 2146.99 That's 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 2146.73 2149.19 And I'd prefer the corners to be round. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2149.44 2149.85 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2149.9 2150.63 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2150.63 2151.01 'Kay. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 2151.01 2151.91 Think that would be better. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2151.21 2153.44 Should be more bit more friendly, yeah. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 2154.35 2155.16 Friendly on the eye. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2155.71 2156.25 'Kay. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2159.51 2160.31 That's okay. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2157.59 2159.51 Supplements. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2164.23 2164.97 Then 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2161.88 2164.23 Where's my mouse? 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2180.81 2185.75 It's important that the corporate design image uh is going to be in the remote. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2175.12 2180.81 So now for the next meeting uh we'll have to look at the look-and-feel design. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2185.75 2188.19 So check out the corporate website maybe. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2169.54 2175.12 We've got a general idea of the concepts and the materials we're going to use. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2201.98 2207.71 But you're going to get your instructions I think sended by the coach. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2188.91 2192.86 The user interface design, it's the same story. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2192.86 2195.27 And product evaluation. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2195.27 2201.98 So the Industrial Designer and User Interface Designer are going to work together on this one. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2208.54 2216.42 So just um I will put these um minutes on the in the folder. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 2217.59 2217.83 Okay. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2230.07 2233.94 Which are Uh let's see. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2233.94 2242.33 I'm not sure if you're going to start right away to work together or I think you're going to fill in the questionnaires first. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2242.33 2243.61 And then you'll get a message. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2218.6 2230.07 And then we're going to uh try to finish our project, and uh make a good design for all the grandfathers and grandmothers, I think. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2241.48 2241.81 Yeah. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 2242.05 2242.54 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2243.54 2243.78 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2250.26 2252.4 Then we can save this one in the 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2244.81 2247.78 So that's uh basically it. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2247.78 2250.26 Maybe this one? 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2255.92 2256.85 folders group. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2261.73 2266.53 Uh yes, it's here. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2267.88 2272.35 So if you wanna have a look at it, it's over there in the projects folder. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2266.53 2267.88 SMARTboard, there it it. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 2263.6 2263.82 Yeah. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2272.21 2272.38 Yeah. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2274.52 2277.64 And then I guess we'll start in thirty minutes again. 
TS3003c H00 MTD009PM 2279.26 2280.11 Thank you. 
TS3003c H03 MTD012ME 2279.46 2279.88 Very good. 
TS3003c H02 MTD0010ID 2279.98 2280.28 Okay. 
TS3003c H01 MTD011UID 2280.01 2280.36 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 11.79 12.47 So 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 20.7 22.19 Hello. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 24.71 27.65 Sorry I'm a little late. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 27.65 28.91 Got stuck in the traffic. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 22.96 24.71 Good afternoon. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 26.98 27.56 No problem. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 35.51 36.65 Starts at three o'clock. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 36.65 42.11 Uh Uh, let me see. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 29.17 31.89 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 31.89 35.51 That's possible on uh this time of day. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 42.11 44.5 Our fourth and last meeting. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 37.42 37.78 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 47.74 48.7 There he is. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 51.99 52.65 Yes. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 74.73 80.27 So after this you will be uh free to go and uh spend all your money. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 62.36 70.73 And we will do some evaluation about the, not only the product, but also the project. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 70.73 74.73 And then we're going to close the project today as well. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 58.01 62.36 In this meeting we will discuss our final design. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 55.7 58.01 Okay this our last meeting. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 80.95 89.51 And this uh design, detailed design meeting uh we will discuss uh the look-and-feel of the design,
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 96.16 100.53 Um, in order to do that we have this agenda. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 89.51 96.16 the usability interface design, and we will do the product evaluation. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 108.47 111.28 Then we will look at the finance. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 104.31 108.47 Then we will set up some evaluation cri um criteria. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 118.51 122.64 Because everything costs money, and the more functions you wanna have the more money it will cost. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 122.64 128.97 So we have to see if it fits within the twelve and a half Euro per remote. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 111.28 118.51 Uh we will have to see if everything we wanna do is also possible within our budget. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 101.36 104.31 We'll have the prototype presentation first. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 131.06 136.08 Then we will do the project uh evaluation, and the closing after that. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 129.41 131.06 But we will see that later. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 143.13 144.58 But first um 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 136.08 137.97 We've got forty minutes. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 137.97 143.13 So we will be finished at half past three. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 145.8 150.59 we will do the this is prototype presentation. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 150.59 155.36 So, if some yeah if somebody wants step forward. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 153.33 153.97 Okay. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 157.91 163.18 Well this is what me and Richard came up with. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 169.14 171.43 Then there's the volume and channel selectors. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 166.3 169.14 The mute button just below that. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 163.18 166.3 The default spot for the on-off button. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 178.32 184.59 If you hold it and you press another button, uh the help goes to the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 172.79 176.51 Simple plus-minus button. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 176.51 178.32 Uh we thought of a help button. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 192.1 194.12 A button for the subtitles. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 190.06 192.1 A button for teletext. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 194.12 195.47 And the company logo. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 185.33 190.06 Then there's the zero to one to zero buttons. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 201.08 205.09 And uh we'll have to see from testing uh how the users take it. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 196.65 201.08 So it's rather simple prototype. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 206.27 206.74 Okay. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 207.34 213.37 Um, is this the moment where we ask or can ask questions about the functionality? 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 210.86 211.38 So 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 213.75 216.03 Sure uh just pop in at any time. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 214.36 214.56 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 213.99 214.36 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 216.29 225.26 Um, when you're in teletext there usually are buttons where you just you just press it and you g go to the next teletext page. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 226.94 235.2 Uh, that's just uh the normal uh as th as the normal uh remote controls uh So um 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 240.92 244.92 Now you can use the normal uh one to zero buttons. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 236.26 240.92 You put it uh you um came in uh page uh one hundred. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 244.92 252.51 And you But you can also uh use the um button th for uh changing the the channel. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 240.92 241.32 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 252.6 255.97 S so uh the shifting uh button. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 255.97 261.45 Uh for uh yeah shif shifting up in uh on t on t uh teletext, and shifting uh down. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 261.45 261.68 So 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 255.36 255.67 Okay. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 262.33 264.56 Okay. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 264.56 265.36 Um 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 267.26 267.54 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 280.33 283.64 Uh just a few buttons and large buttons. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 270.39 280.33 Uh but um I thought in a few meetings earlier we uh uh tried to keep it uh simple. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 269.19 270.39 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 283.64 289.14 But uh I think these are altogether quite a quite a few buttons. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 280.2 280.81 Oh yeah? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 291.07 295.58 So I'm wondering if we if we neely really need all of those buttons. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 297.38 298.57 I think if you look at 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 306.51 308.27 You can't drop that one. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 300 303.12 most controls, they've got more buttons than this. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 303.12 306.51 And well the on-off button, it's it's a necessity. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 308.27 313.05 The volume and channel buttons, you need you obviously need those those. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 302.83 303.38 That's right. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 303.27 303.52 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 306.52 306.69 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 306.6 306.95 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 313.43 313.92 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 322.95 331.98 I think the help button really is necessary because there's no other way to know when someone wants to know what a button does. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 314.35 320.14 The mute button could be replaced uh by pressing the volume-down button twice. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 320.14 322.95 So we could cancel that one. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 326.64 327.23 Yeah yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 334.71 335.5 Mm. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 348.41 353.36 So uh they just put in uh put press uh the button and uh 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 334.76 340.76 Uh, or you can build in uh when you press uh one button uh uh Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 344.3 348.41 But uh we think uh old people uh don't know that uh option. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 340.76 342.58 But m Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 342.58 344.3 We disc discuss that already. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 340.73 341.43 If you put 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 338.73 340.08 Long time. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 340.08 340.73 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 355.72 356.22 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 354.72 355.72 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 356.6 357.96 Well, you can't 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 359.3 361.07 leave out the number buttons I guess. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 361.06 361.42 And uh 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 365.67 366.08 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 362.78 365.67 Uh teletext and subtitles are yeah necessary. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 361.37 362.78 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 362.63 363.13 And 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 364.35 365.81 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 365.81 367.75 So it's rather basic already. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 364.71 364.98 Oh. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 365.09 365.37 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 368.18 368.94 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 370.09 371.27 That's what I pointed out earlier. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 368.94 370.09 Think so. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 371.27 375.8 If you just make a control for just the T. V. there's just not much to gain here. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 375.66 375.85 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 376.01 376.41 Yep. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 378.02 378.77 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 378.77 383 So we had somebody about th interfa Something about the design of the buttons there? 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 387.07 398.17 But they're supposed to be equal sized, round, with a with a little logo on it for the for the volume, the the triangle and stuff. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 398.17 399.22 Just for recognition. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 383.38 387.07 Yeah, they're It's rather hard to draw on the white-board. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 384.52 385.95 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 385.95 386.5 Yeah, it 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 384.53 386.6 Just n normal plain buttons. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 397.12 398.7 Just to recognise it, so uh 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 396.21 397.12 Yeah yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 396.54 398.01 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 398.01 398.43 'Kay. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 399.39 402.52 Uh yeah and now we don't need uh LEDs or um 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 402.83 403.3 No. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 403.56 412.16 Y uh s some uh remote controls uh do it also, but um uh because we use the little display we don't uh have to use it. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 412.16 413.53 Uh so 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 407.12 407.55 No. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 413.99 414.5 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 412.94 413.99 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 421.6 423.26 So they jump out. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 418.6 421.6 With a a different colour than the case. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 414.53 418.6 So and for the materials we've just chosen for rubber buttons. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 417.84 418.16 Nay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 418.75 418.95 Yep. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 435.83 441.03 which is pretty exciting, to see if it's all possible what we wanna do. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 428.59 435.83 Then because we only have thirty minutes left, I will move on to the finance part,
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 427.7 428.59 That's nice. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 441.03 443.13 And I can tell you 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 425.16 427.7 Okay. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 425.3 426.72 And uh that's about it. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 445.14 451.84 that we're going to have a pretty hard time producing this for twelve and a half Euros. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 453.54 453.85 Mm. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 454.2 460.93 If we see I don't know if I've filled in correctly, so just correct me if you see uh something wrong. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 462.75 464.49 But maybe we can also use one. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 460.93 462.75 I counted two batteries. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 464.49 465.71 I don't know if it's possible. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 465.13 466.24 Since it rechargeable. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 466.88 467.78 It's rechargeable. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 467.78 468.29 That's right. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 467.88 469.89 Yeah we can u just uh 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 477.71 479.64 So there's not much to uh 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 471.59 472.8 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 472.8 475.69 That's two Euros off. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 475.69 477.71 We need the advanced chip. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 474.77 475.48 'Kay. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 478.04 478.45 Yep. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 481.84 484.45 to save there. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 486.74 493.3 Uh we can see that the difference between uncurved and the single curved is one Euro. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 484.45 486.74 Here we have the single curves. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 493.3 494.16 Um, 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 492.78 493.35 Mm. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 495.67 506.3 I don't know, but I think the single curved is good for design, and also for the display to have a prominent place on the remote control. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 506.3 507.71 I think we have to keep that. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 500.35 500.83 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 505.85 506.25 Yes. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 507.6 507.79 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 508.94 512.07 Then we have the case material supplements. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 518.92 522.53 But then the biggest costs are the buttons. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 515.51 518.92 So that's uh not much to save either. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 512.07 512.88 It's plastic. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 512.88 515.51 It's the cheapest one we need. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 531.24 538.46 Because you have to we will have to get the twelve and a half Euros at the end. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 538.46 539.22 Um, 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 523.09 531.24 So maybe we really should try to discard some buttons to uh keep our costs low. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 527.01 527.66 Okay. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 530.79 531 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 544.98 547.41 Because I Sixteen. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 540.91 544.98 so if we Let's fir first count the buttons we have now. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 547.41 551.71 Nah, that will be even more then. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 551.71 552.82 Eighteen Euros. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 543.35 543.8 Uh 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 545.04 546.4 Sixteen, I believe so. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 556.26 556.97 So, 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 556.47 557.37 Uh seventeen. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 558.37 559.04 seventeen. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 558.84 559.37 Um 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 559.58 560.74 Uh with the help button. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 565.77 569.73 I think we can uh discard the help and the mute button 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 562.21 563.63 Okay, including the help? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 564.16 565.77 Uh seventeen. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 563.63 564.16 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 562.3 562.61 Yep. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 563.03 563.41 Damn. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 563.58 563.8 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 570.92 575.77 uh by pressing down volume long, or pressing down a a number 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 577.11 577.33 Yep. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 578.37 581.57 That saves us uh one Euro already. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 581.57 583.47 'Cause then we have got fifteen I think? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 577.58 578.37 long. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 583.29 583.54 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 584.79 586.04 Wouldn't Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 586.64 587.37 That wouldn't be an option. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 586.04 586.64 No. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 585.67 587.29 Fifteen buttons. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 589.11 590.03 And this is 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 589.28 594.35 Uh, d I assume you'd count the volume and channel thingies for two buttons each, right? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 594.59 596.38 No those are one, I think. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 595.75 596.09 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 597.66 600.16 Well, think actually there're two buttons, aren't they? 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 597.97 598.9 Where did uh 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 599.55 601.7 Uh, it's just one button. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 601.7 603.36 But, um 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 605.12 608.09 There were uh two uh for one big button. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 608.09 612.78 But they are uh more expensive than the small ones. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 612.78 614.47 Uh, yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 604.47 605.12 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 614.47 615.12 So 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 614.4 617.61 Yeah but th it's not stated in this files. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 617.61 625.82 So maybe we can we can even make one button with the volume and the channel in one, by pressing 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 616.47 619.22 It's just a. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 625.1 628.91 Well I was thinking, maybe you could just integrate three of those numbers to one button. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 630.46 631.89 That's possibility as well. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 632.08 634.02 That would cut the cost. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 634.97 637.47 So And it's good for the design as well. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 637.47 638.44 So you can make 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 639.82 642.53 Uh let's see. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 642.53 643.73 If you make this 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 658.54 662.83 Looks a bit like uh 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 664.33 666.04 a cross. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 671.64 672.23 Min. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 670.56 671.64 Plus. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 674.62 678.14 But I don't don't know if if it's cheaper. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 678.14 685.08 So uh, we've still got four buttons, but just um So 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 679.38 679.94 Yeah w 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 677.33 679.38 Uh s yeah channel. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 685.02 687.55 Yeah th I think they count uh the materials. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 687.38 693.93 You got uh not not a butt button itself, but uh on the um 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 694.34 694.6 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 692.79 694.34 Yeah on the chip there. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 698.25 698.77 So 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 693.96 694.29 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 694.29 698.25 On the chip you've got still uh four uh four buttons. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 694.59 694.91 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 695.88 696.17 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 697.1 697.59 That's right. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 696.4 697.1 That's right. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 698.45 698.87 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 704.76 706.12 But No but I think 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 698.93 704.76 But I think because we have the advanced chip we can just count this as one button. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 701.87 702.7 Yeah, but 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 705.64 708.49 But, I think this really is four buttons anyhow. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 709.17 709.69 Yes. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 728.07 731.66 I think they uh try t 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 711.7 713.6 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 721.1 728.07 Also the L. C. display, I think it's, I think it's too expensive for the display we use. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 713.6 721.1 Maybe it is, but then it seems to me that it's impossible to get the twelve and a half Euros. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 721.44 721.99 Yes. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 723.86 725.31 Uh that's that's a big cost. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 731.67 735.89 If we leave out the display we can also save money on the chip. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 737.89 745.35 That's right, but what's the big advantage of our remote then? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 745.39 746.89 Only the docking station, I guess. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 747.79 748.31 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 749.86 754.02 Which isn't the the docking station isn't even in this c s schematic. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 755.41 756.79 No. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 759.46 759.92 That's right. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 758.58 759.46 That's extra. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 756.79 758.58 That's extra. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 755.42 757.99 So it's not even taken into the price. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 760.79 762.47 Maybe we should to a different supplier. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 771.08 776.25 Don't you think we can, if we can count this as v as one button,
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 776.25 783.35 and integrate th uh these buttons in three, then we save a lot of money as well. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 763.29 765.77 That's an option. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 768.64 771.08 Polish supplier. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 765.77 766.7 Poland. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 766.7 768.64 Something. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 767.74 768.76 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 784.39 789.09 But would it make the remote more usable for elderly people? 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 782.53 784.39 We we could save money on it. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 789.98 792.13 Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 791.61 794.32 My mother can't even send send an S. M. S. message. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 795.54 796.2 So 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 796.48 797.29 That's a point. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 795.71 796.48 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 798.12 798.77 Um 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 803.23 804.03 So um 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 798.53 803.23 Are we gonna buy a um a remote control uh when you can uh use it? 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 805.86 806.28 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 807.95 819.05 We m uh we must um stay below the um below um twelve uh fifty or Can't uh go um 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 816.6 816.88 Yep. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 816.71 816.9 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 819.47 819.82 No. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 821.55 823.4 Well, since the market research 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 824.53 834.39 indicated that older people spend their money easier, more easy, maybe it's feasible to just put the price of the remote up a little. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 834.39 837.15 Especially since we have those nice features. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 835.49 835.78 Nay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 847.58 849.93 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 842.16 847.58 We don't have any more budget to develop it. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 838.22 842.16 Yeah but uh we have to stick to the twelve and a half Euros. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 849.93 850.56 So 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 847.16 847.41 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 845.37 847.16 The margin will get too small. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 845.65 846.75 Is it impossible to 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 849.79 853.08 But it is possible to make one uh for uh twelve fifty. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 854.05 854.86 I don't think so. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 859.13 861.88 And if you use less buttons. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 855.21 859.13 If you leave out the L. C. display. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 854.51 855.21 It is. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 855.27 857.61 It would be a be a pretty rigid one. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 856.51 856.81 S 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 860.45 860.73 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 863.08 868.24 Say Or you can take the single chip. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 864.45 864.72 Ten. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 864.75 867.69 But, you can't use uh 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 871.26 874.45 There it is. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 872.34 872.67 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 875.47 876.98 But we want to make a 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 877.08 883.26 uh so uh uh fancy and a good uh Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 877.71 878.76 But then w 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 883.91 884.66 Good looking. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 884.38 887.09 Uh, wi with n Oh, with uh 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 889.13 889.46 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 895.71 896.16 So 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 889.32 890.83 attractive uh o options. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 890.83 895.71 So uh, you can stay uh below uh twelve fifty. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 896.24 898.5 I think it's uh difficult as well, but 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 896.59 896.91 Or b 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 898.31 909.13 Basically becoming a choice between like either a good remote and a higher production cost, or just any other remote control. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 907.2 908.59 No remote. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 909.76 916.06 Or we can leave out the ten buttons and take one scroll wheel for the programme numbers. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 917.53 918.62 Scroll-wheel's one. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 917.65 919.92 That's 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 917.74 918.15 Then w 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 927.97 930.82 If we have this one and we've got the advanced 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 918.95 921.55 Because then we save ten buttons. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 926.04 927.97 And and see. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 921.55 926.04 Then we have five and one. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 919.64 920.17 No, it 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 921.62 921.96 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 933.81 936.74 W uh, we're getting close. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 934.3 935.35 We're getting closer. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 935.76 936.66 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 938.2 940.17 But how does scroll-wheel work here? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 943.14 944.54 Then you will 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 948.17 949.56 Or maybe you can 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 952.17 954.16 um scroll. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 954.16 958.56 If you scroll you will see the numbers on the L. C. D. display. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 958.56 960.61 Until you've got the right number, then you push it. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 958.91 959.18 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 961.46 964.47 That would bring up the price of the scroll-wheel also. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 965.64 965.99 Alright. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 965.99 968 It's gotta scroll and push. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 968 972.89 Okay but then you you can push uh some other button as well. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 965.74 968.36 Integrated scroll-wheel push-button. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 968.36 969.23 But Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 966.74 966.93 Mm. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 973.81 976.08 You could just not scroll for a half a second. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 976.69 977.73 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 978.11 982.88 So if you scroll to a number and then you wait a half second, then it g turns to that channel. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 977.73 978.11 That's right. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 977.48 979.15 So you won't need a button. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 982.58 985.23 I think that would be like the end of our usability. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 994.12 996.34 And we need the battery. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 985.34 994.12 But it would definitely crop cost, a lot. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 985.7 987.25 D yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 991.89 992.67 Yeah, but 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1004.4 1005.41 It has to be advanced? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1001.14 1004.4 And the regular chip is not possible? 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1006.79 1010.41 If you want to use an L. C. D. screen you you need an advanced chip, yes. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1008.79 1010.28 It has to be advanced. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1012.91 1016.74 And we can save a Euro by a flat design. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1010.28 1010.88 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1010.88 1012.91 Okay. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1010.19 1010.48 Hmm. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1019.94 1025.1 That's an option we can Then we're almost there. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1021.27 1021.5 Yep. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1021.71 1022.09 Ja ja. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1026.11 1029.42 Yeah if you v could just leave out one more button. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1032.21 1033.13 So if we 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1030.78 1032.21 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1033.24 1036.43 Yeah, or we have to uh skip the subtitle uh button. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1036.59 1037.05 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1037.11 1040.97 Yeah but I think that's That is a big advantage, if we're 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1037.51 1038.96 So Yeah 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1040.4 1042.03 Yeah it's a big advantage. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1042.03 1044.45 But um, it's 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1042.21 1042.76 But 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1043.76 1047.8 Can we use can't we integrate the teletext and the subtitles in one button? 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1049.33 1049.57 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1048.45 1049.33 I think so. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1048.54 1049.24 Uh, yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1058.92 1060.58 But the subtitles stay there. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1049.8 1058.92 Well, think it's pretty much the teletext subtitles are right now you just push the teletext button, go to page eight eight eight, and teletext disappears. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1049.86 1051.81 If you push it three times? 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1051.4 1051.85 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1057.14 1057.75 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1057.72 1058.02 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1061.63 1064.2 But if you push the teletext button twice 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1062.39 1063.87 I think that's the case on most 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1067.06 1070.15 Eight hundred eighty eight. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1062.63 1067.06 What if you have to scroll to page eighty eight? 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1065.93 1066.49 It's uh 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1068.91 1071.8 One m uh one b uh, a few buttons. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1068.99 1070.35 Ah that's not really that 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1069.64 1074.98 Well, that could be just uh like the scroll to eight, click, scroll to eight, click, scroll to eight, click. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1075.4 1076.15 Okay. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1075.11 1075.4 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1076.92 1083.76 But then again that would be d j just pretty much not an option for older people, who don't even know what a scroll-wheel is. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1082.29 1083 No. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1084.15 1084.66 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1085.35 1086.04 Holding a 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1085.73 1086.23 No. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1087.79 1093.49 remote with which they expect to have like ten buttons for the numbers one to zero. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1096.35 1097.61 With only five buttons on it. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1099.76 1100.54 And a scroll-wheel. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1101.85 1114.58 I think if you make a good advertisement uh on television and in the in the guide, you can explain to the people how to use the scroll wheel. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1115.84 1117.38 If you just make it real simple. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1126.22 1127.98 How to use the scroll wheel. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1122.75 1126.22 And we can keep our L. C. D. screen, which can provide extra information. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1127.98 1130.97 How to use the other bu buttons as subtitles. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1120.92 1122.75 Because it saves it saves a lot of money. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1129.3 1129.59 True. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1128.74 1129.3 True. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1131 1131.18 Hmm. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1138.7 1140.54 If you would erase these. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1133.17 1138.7 And it's good for the innovative design as well. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1142.66 1144.55 Mm eraser? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1157.61 1159.36 And we put uh 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1167.03 1169.7 Looks a bit odd maybe. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1170.02 1171.43 That's a pretty big scroll wheel. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1182.02 1182.83 That is 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1197.25 1203.01 One, two, three, four, five buttons, if we erase this one. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1191.1 1193.89 Something like that. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1193.89 1196.27 Then, yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1196.27 1197.25 We've got the scroll-wheel. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1215.15 1216.59 And these are two buttons then. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1227.25 1231.25 We could make two buttons out of that. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1231.25 1232.99 And just um 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1234.33 1238.2 If you press the volume button you can control the volume with the scroll-wheel. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1236.15 1236.35 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1239.89 1241.6 So that would save two buttons. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1241.6 1242.91 If you do the same for the channel. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1241.9 1242.35 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1243.84 1247.04 That's really a good good idea, I think. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1252 1257.42 And it will make the use of the scroll wheel uh more obvious indeed. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1255.41 1256.14 More obvious. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1259.8 1264.4 So we make one for the volume, one for the channel. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1271.82 1275.4 Plus scroll. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1276.16 1278.73 So we've got one, two, three. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1275.4 1276.16 That's right. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1278.73 1282.46 Yeah, we can leave the teletext in if we want. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1274.99 1275.88 So if we 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1283.84 1284.41 So 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1282.78 1283.84 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1283.14 1283.31 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1283.59 1284.84 That's m that's better. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1284.98 1286.21 So this is five buttons. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1285.75 1291.9 If we leave out all those buttons, perhaps you can go with the flat flat case. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1291.9 1293.5 And make it smaller overall. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1295.2 1304.93 So if you put the the volume and channel buttons on the same height as the on-off button, the screen right behi under that, than the scroll button 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1295.28 1295.8 Y yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1301.83 1302.36 Mm yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1305.25 1307.06 Uh yeah, and then you can 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1306.23 1308.01 you get a a much smaller remote. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1308.11 1308.45 Uh yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1308.48 1309.03 That's right. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1310.28 1310.56 And it 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1311.41 1312 So we can 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1311.62 1311.9 sh 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1313.32 1315.99 decrease this one to four buttons. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1317.08 1317.39 Yeah? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1317.65 1318.84 Right now we have five. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1318.4 1327.37 But uh, you can make a f quite a big uh remote remote control for uh just the same price as a small one. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1331.54 1333.8 It uh it's a bit uh 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1327.37 1331.54 Just uh you only have to pay for the double curved or single curved. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1327.77 1328.65 That's no problem. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1327.12 1327.77 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1332.22 1332.71 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1338.91 1341.49 Single curved is really easy to just fill in. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1344.4 1349.32 And single curved you have to have a different uh different machine, than a flat one. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1334.1 1334.3 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1341.49 1344.4 And cases come right out of the machine. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1334.3 1338.91 It's uh it's more the moulds in which they are being made, I think. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1339.24 1339.67 Mm. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1350.87 1353.49 I think this is a really easy one. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1353.49 1354.25 Um, 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1362.04 1363.68 Freek, what do you think? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1355.71 1362.04 what does everybody think about a flat or a single curved design? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1364.74 1368.03 Well, I still think we should go for the single curve design. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1368.03 1370.08 But then again, 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1368 1368.4 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1371.71 1372.23 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1370 1371.71 Richard's argument was very good. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1370.87 1374.51 all these changes are not really okay with me. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1374.51 1376.01 But since 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1370.99 1371.24 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1371.48 1371.73 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1373.9 1374.25 Yep. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1379.76 1380.75 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1377.07 1379.76 We have to cut costs. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1380.75 1381.34 Yeah I'm ag 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1377.69 1378.65 we just have to. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1378.52 1378.79 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1380.97 1382.55 I'd rather just go to the board and 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1384.48 1385.44 Ask for more money. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1384.9 1387.82 get us to spend eighteen dollars a a remote. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1386.93 1387.35 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1388.86 1390.61 I am agreeing with the usability. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1388.52 1388.86 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1390.61 1390.75 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1389.28 1392.28 Or do some market research and see what the options are. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1412.34 1415.83 It will be necessary to have good help function, as well. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1398.67 1404.23 Just to express our L. C. D. screen a bit more. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1404.23 1412.34 So people will use it more, and especially for the help functions, it will be good if we have scroll bar, scroll button. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1393.81 1395.63 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1395.63 1398.67 But th um I think we can then keep the single curved one. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1403.4 1403.68 Yep. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1403.4 1403.72 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1404.32 1404.57 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1423.86 1425.53 So this is scroll. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1440.3 1444.12 Before we went on to the to the whole design. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1436.29 1440.3 I think it was better to have this price list a bit earlier. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1440.44 1441.19 Yes. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1441.19 1442.04 Definitely. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1441.66 1442.15 The th 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1445.56 1445.98 But 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1446.94 1448.52 I'm glad we could make a bit. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1450.53 1450.89 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1451.38 1454.87 It's pretty different, if you saw the last one than this one. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1453.62 1459.59 But this is not really like for the group we were making our remote. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1459.59 1461.52 This will really require a lot of marketing 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1452.32 1453.62 It's pretty different. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1458.81 1459.03 No. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1463.01 1463.58 It will. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1462.52 1463.01 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1463.22 1464.82 to get this to sell. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1465.64 1465.85 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1467.18 1468.81 But um 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1467.99 1472.97 'Cause if older people like familiar forms and familiar stuff. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1472.97 1474.26 This is not familiar for them. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1475.66 1476.92 No, but I think 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1476.16 1478.3 So we're gonna have to do a lotta convincing them. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1478.24 1479.21 I think the most 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1486.9 1488.48 So maybe it's uh 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1482.45 1486.9 Uh they cal also uh buttons like that for uh changing uh channels. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1479.23 1482.45 But they know the scroll-buttons from uh old radios. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1485.53 1485.95 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1485.54 1487.13 That's right. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1490.57 1494.8 Like a old old buttons. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1487.13 1490.57 We can let l We can stick it out, a bit. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1497.09 1497.61 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1494.8 1497.09 Maybe that's recognisable for them as well. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1497.61 1498.82 That's a good one. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1491.45 1492.24 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1492.24 1492.56 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1496.68 1496.92 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1507.89 1514.61 If they see this design they think oh, there are only five buttons, and uh But we will see. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1503.8 1507.89 And it's uh it's b uh less frightening, I think. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1499.52 1503.8 So, I'm afraid we have to move on. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1513.69 1514.05 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1513.89 1514.36 That's true. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1514.36 1515.8 Might uh might be confusing too. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1516.15 1517.1 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1517.1 1518.04 That's definitely right. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1517.2 1518.05 They'd be like, what? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1518.05 1519.06 Only five buttons? 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1517.25 1517.76 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1520.23 1520.65 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1521.56 1523.41 But very special, so uh 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1524.95 1527.52 I would buy it. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1527.3 1529.44 But you're not sixty. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1526.46 1527.3 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1531.82 1533.85 No I don't know. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1528.29 1529.52 That's right. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1535.83 1536.36 No? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1533.85 1535.83 What it costs under twelve and a half Euros? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1529.52 1531.82 I would buy it if I was six. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1537.54 1539.39 Uh, yes they are. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1539.98 1541.63 No. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1540.66 1541.28 No. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1541.28 1545.9 But we can go on with the project evaluation. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1546.63 1546.94 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1549.64 1550.7 Let's see. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1551.85 1555.19 We still have fifteen minutes left, so we're nice on schedule. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1550.7 1551.85 I can sit down I think. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1555.76 1556.32 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1557.34 1560.17 Um, the project process. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1560.26 1563.94 So um, I like set up all these criteria. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1564.62 1566.42 And evaluation of the 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1567.03 1569.72 That was the the point I forgot. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1564.73 1566.54 Evaluation criteria. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1566.54 1567.03 That's right. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1568.05 1568.46 thingy. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1570.73 1571.48 I should 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1576.98 1579.38 Go ahead. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1579.38 1584.06 We've got five minutes I think for those criteria. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1574.16 1576.98 Evaluation criteria. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1573.09 1574.16 There we are. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1584.06 1585.95 No we've got fifteen minutes but 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1575.64 1577.36 Thank you. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1582.26 1583.39 Five more minutes? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1585.68 1586.16 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1597.33 1597.42 What? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1596.54 1597.33 Uh yes. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1603.1 1608.65 'Kay so I did some literature study study, and analysis of the requirements we set up earlier. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1608.99 1609.39 Uh yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1621.37 1622.32 Uh, easy to use? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1619.05 1621.37 What new functions are there? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1609.7 1613.47 Translated it into criteria, which would be these. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1613.47 1615.84 Um, is the remote fancy? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1615.84 1617.56 The shape, look and feel. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1617.56 1619.05 Innovative? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1629.52 1633.17 Are there not too many functions uh among the functions? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1623.6 1627.41 Uh, learnability is a very important factor here. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1637.4 1638.25 And the cost. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1633.17 1637.4 And are the those functions that are there, are they useful? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1627.41 1629.52 Uh, is it functional? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1646.17 1649.98 And recognability. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1640.8 1641.62 The target group. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1641.62 1646.17 Is the remote really for the group we're making it for? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1649.98 1655.36 If our company is If it is easily recognisable that our company made it? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1657.05 1657.58 And 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1659.03 1660.81 So we're supposed to evaluate it right now. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1661.82 1662.15 Okay. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1664.23 1664.71 Let's see. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1667.41 1672.6 Oh I have to say this was a little hard, because the minutes of our last meeting 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1673.71 1674.25 were not here. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1679.47 1684.09 I tried to but it's uh it's giving errors by downloading the software. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1674.19 1679.47 Yeah, that's because my pen failed to upload his data. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1674.77 1674.99 Mm. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1677.99 1678.43 Okay. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1678.14 1678.87 Yeah? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1679.47 1680.09 Interesting. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1683.31 1685.04 So 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1684.08 1686.23 Mm. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1686.23 1686.98 'Kay. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1687.14 1690.01 Is the design fancy, on a scale of one to seven? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1690.37 1691.51 I think it's fancy. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1692.56 1693.14 Six. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1693.45 1693.58 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1694.28 1695.15 Uh six. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1695.15 1695.36 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1696.35 1696.6 Good. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1694.52 1696.35 We all go for six? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1695.27 1695.64 Six. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1701.05 1703.92 Um, is the design innovative? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1706.85 1709.12 Subtitles, buttons. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1709.12 1710.25 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1712.95 1717.63 So we've got twenty cents for our docking station, huh? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1711.89 1712.95 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1710.25 1711.89 Seven. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1704.37 1706.85 Very. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1704.43 1705.61 Mm. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1705.61 1706.1 Sh 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1705.1 1709.29 I think so, with our L. C. D. screen, docking station, scroll-buttons. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1709.82 1710.12 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1711.02 1711.41 Seven? 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1711.66 1711.87 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1716.91 1720.3 Should be do-able. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1720.3 1721.81 Is the design easy to use? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1719.5 1720.07 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1720.07 1720.54 That's right. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1722.42 1722.93 Mm. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1722.93 1723.54 Not really. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1723.08 1725.77 That's a bit dodgy. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1725.62 1726.21 Well 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1727.8 1728.79 Would be for us. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1728.79 1729.29 But 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1729.71 1731.13 For old people I I 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1734.31 1735.28 Between four or five. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1732.79 1734.31 Four or five between. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1730.37 1732.79 I would say four. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1732.89 1733.19 Yes. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1732.11 1732.89 Four or five. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1733.79 1734.4 Four. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1732.14 1733.79 W Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1735.79 1736.66 I'd go for four, too. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1736.65 1736.85 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1736.91 1737.13 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1741.39 1742.36 Is it functional? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1744.38 1747.14 Um, do we have all functions that we want to include? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1742.71 1744.38 Is the design functional? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1747.81 1748.47 Yes. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1748.13 1748.66 N Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1749.43 1751.51 Do we have too many functions? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1752.35 1753.2 It's pretty slim. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1748.49 1749.43 I think we do. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1751.51 1752.35 I don't think so. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1750.88 1751.31 No. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1751.27 1751.75 No. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1751.36 1751.58 No. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1752.87 1754.1 Think it's uh seven. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1755.64 1756 Seven. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1758.44 1759.9 Oh, and do we um 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1766.76 1768.33 Like it getting lost and 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1762.01 1766.76 take care of the biggest frustrations of the remote control? 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1769.28 1770.45 Mm m 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1769.83 1773.01 R. S. I. influences? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1773.01 1773.51 Think we do. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1769.88 1771.47 Mm, we haven't thought of that one. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1773.73 1775.14 I had them worked out. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1772.35 1773.73 It was. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1777.76 1779.05 Mm. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1779.05 1782.76 They are ugly, not very functional, and getting lost. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1787.7 1788.49 Well they are now. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1785.13 1787.7 Are the production costs within the preset limits? 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1785.3 1785.66 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1789.64 1789.85 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1794.99 1796.98 Does the design fit the group of focus? 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1798.51 1800.14 I think that's a three. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1798.81 1800.54 Mm, th yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1799.74 1801.38 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1801.38 1802.3 I think it doesn't. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1800.97 1804.96 No I think with our new radio button, I think it's uh 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1802.71 1803.05 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1805.61 1806.11 Uh 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1806.01 1806.79 I think it's better. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1807.49 1809.61 We have to test it s But 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1808.15 1808.79 I don't know. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1814.12 1815.85 Too too flashy. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1809.17 1814.12 I still I think it's too m too fancy. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1810.91 1811.52 I think 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1811.67 1812.28 I think it 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1815.18 1820.34 I think a radio button is not exactly what older people expect to have a remote control. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1820.37 1821.51 Uh, yeah, true. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1821.73 1822.03 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1823.91 1824.95 I would give it a four. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1830.36 1831.72 I think I'd go for two. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1829.89 1830.36 I'm not sure. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1832.16 1833.13 I go for three. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1833.13 1833.96 So 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1835.43 1836.56 It's the 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1833.65 1835.43 Then we have to do the three. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1835.63 1835.97 'Kay. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1846.32 1847.38 Well, we have the logo there. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1843.52 1846.32 Is the company company recognisable? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1847.37 1847.72 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1845.83 1847.37 Yes it is. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1846 1846.59 Yeah yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1848.82 1849.31 So 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1862.5 1865.26 So, I think it's very recognisable. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1858.2 1862.5 And we have the removable front cases. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1852.46 1856.57 And they wanna put fashion in their products. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1865.26 1865.42 Yep. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1856.57 1858.2 Uh in the slogan of the company. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1862.16 1862.36 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1862.62 1862.91 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1870.38 1871.39 So that will be this. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1875.47 1877.62 I was also supposed to calculate the score, but 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1879.04 1883.53 thought we would have another private thingy after this. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1881.92 1883.02 We've got a calculate it. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1884.46 1884.65 Mm? 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1885.3 1888.06 Twendag sieven an twendag. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1886.1 1887.85 Is this Like after this, are we done? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1887.85 1888.28 Or 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1889.13 1891.59 N We've gonna We're going to evaluate it. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1889.62 1891 We're gonna go to our other room again. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1892.54 1893.35 Well, anyhow. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1893.35 1895.67 These are seven factors times seven is forty 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1897.09 1897.81 something. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1897.81 1898.07 Two? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1899.7 1900.05 Nine? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1899.26 1899.7 No. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1899.78 1901.59 Forty nine. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1902.45 1903.56 Uh, minus one. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1906.99 1909.64 Minus three, minus four. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1910.89 1911.57 Minus four. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1913.32 1914.99 So that would be minus eight. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1916.35 1918.34 Forty one out of forty nine. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1916.94 1917.5 Forty one. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1919.69 1920.46 That's 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1927.23 1927.69 What is it? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1925.88 1927.23 Around eighty percent. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1926.12 1926.66 Okay. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1928.57 1931.34 Guess I'll just type that in on the bottom here. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1934.62 1937.34 That's eighty four percent. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1942.99 1945.31 I think that's a pretty nice score. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1943.01 1943.61 Hmm. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1945.66 1945.94 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1945.96 1946.19 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1959.15 1960.2 'Kay. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1957.45 1959.15 Hmm. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1960.2 1961.71 So that will be the evaluation. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1961.99 1962.64 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1962.64 1963.09 Thank you. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1966.32 1966.9 So, 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1968.33 1970.91 that brings us to the project evaluation. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1975.04 1975.23 Yep. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1976.29 1978.03 Thank you. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1978.03 1979.69 Project process. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1982.84 1983.84 Along the process? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1979.69 1982.84 Did we move through the right phases, you think? 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1984.74 1985.27 Yes. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1985.74 1986.55 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1986.55 1987.06 But it 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1986.76 1991.45 Think we should have a should have had the finance thingy a lot earlier. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1991.39 1991.61 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1992.15 1992.6 That's right. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1993.41 1994.42 In the design phase. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 1995.22 1997.92 So lack of information about prices. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 1998.36 1998.58 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1998.53 1999.91 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 1999.91 2000.38 That's true. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 1998.6 1998.79 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2000.08 2000.66 Definitely. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2000.83 2001.29 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2003.81 2004.84 Uh 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2010.44 2011.39 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2011.39 2013.27 Satisfaction. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2013.27 2014.62 Was there room for creativity? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2014.88 2015.09 No. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2016.36 2019.97 No? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2021.71 2021.85 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2019.97 2021.71 It's because of the finance sheet. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2018.4 2019.03 No. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2017.63 2018.4 Not too much. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2021.43 2021.8 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 2021.82 2024.34 Yeah, there w there was enough room, but the finance uh 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2023.35 2023.82 But 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2022.78 2023.35 Yeah, true. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2023.94 2025.19 The room was Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2024.39 2024.71 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2029.86 2031.57 And I would've liked to go for the 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2032.74 2034.2 younger users also. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2036.38 2038.33 And just to be able to access internet and 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2040.02 2040.98 get something of your own. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2041.85 2042 Mm. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2044.16 2045.3 Restrictions. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2049.85 2050.92 Internet access. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2053.33 2055.1 'Kay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2056.64 2062.92 Was it clear what everybody had to do uh according to their roles and functions? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2055.1 2056.64 Leadership. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 2064.34 2064.83 Yes. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2064.36 2064.61 Yeah? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2064.37 2064.58 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2064.77 2065 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2069.16 2072.81 Also, you two of you with the uh last phase? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2068.19 2069.16 Working together? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2066.54 2067.02 Teamwork? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2067.02 2068.19 Did it work out? 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2067.03 2067.71 So 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 2071.48 2072.15 Yes, was okay. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2072.21 2072.54 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2074.65 2075.26 Nice. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 2081.14 2086.87 The tasks are very structured, so you can just do step by step and it's very easy. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2085.52 2086.03 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2085.82 2086.15 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2089.23 2090.34 tasks. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2091.81 2092.15 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2096.65 2098.54 Or were they too much? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2093.63 2096.65 Were the means sufficient for the tasks uh we had to do? 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 2099.5 2104.14 Well, the smart-board, the d d drawing is just a pain in the ass, but 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2099.91 2100.48 Mm. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2105.36 2106.17 Smart-board. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 2105.51 2107.73 The digital the digital pen is very nice. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2107.64 2107.85 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2108.71 2112.27 If it wants to download its uh data. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2109.12 2110.61 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2110.61 2111.21 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2109.31 2109.84 But 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 2111 2111.25 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 2110.55 2111 Yes. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2111.19 2111.78 Uh 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2117.92 2119.23 Failed download. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2123.84 2127.19 Smart-board was irritating. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2136.63 2138.62 Or something else? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2132.86 2136.63 So you rather wanted to have a flip-over? 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 2138.11 2141.1 A flip-over or a more precise uh 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2138.4 2138.65 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2138.65 2140.34 A flipper's uh easier, so 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2141.52 2141.78 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2142.04 2142.32 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2142.35 2144.03 Faster as well, I think. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2144.03 2144.54 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 2142.61 2143.61 digit Yes. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2149.52 2150.06 Flip-over. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2166.88 2173.21 or uh uh in shared f uh folder or uh sh uh shared directory. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2150.07 2159.98 But if you want to share uh of uh when you make um a picture like this uh on the presentation 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2163.02 2166.88 Uh so uh you can sh save it uh and uh put it on the internet 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2159.98 2163.02 it's easier to uh share it with uh other people. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2173.21 2173.62 So 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2164.01 2164.34 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2172.64 2175.73 Yeah, I tried to open the file on my laptop, but 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2176.17 2176.44 No? 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2174.52 2176.17 So Yeah? 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 2176.26 2176.9 Didn't work. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 2175.73 2176.26 No. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2176.71 2177.62 not possible. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2177.29 2181.17 Uh you need a smart board uh application I think. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2179.8 2180.13 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2182.19 2185.71 T can uh can you export it uh like a Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2182.59 2184.63 But I think you can Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2184.63 2186.06 Should be possible. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2186.06 2187.6 Yeah you can export it as image. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2185.11 2185.78 no. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2188.65 2190.36 Must Yeah must be 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2190 2190.96 Should've done that then. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2193.71 2196.73 So the sharing of the information was uh was okay? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2198.12 2198.63 Pen is here. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 2198.64 2199.15 Yes. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2199.73 2201.41 Yeah, pen is here on the table. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2198.65 2199.73 Uh, network. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2198.92 2199.31 Uh. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2206.88 2208.94 Uh, yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2211.44 2213.48 So you can Uh 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2212.56 2215.53 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2215.53 2216.16 It's possible. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2215.46 2216.27 Mm. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2216.27 2216.52 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2215.57 2216.19 It's possible. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2217.62 2217.96 Okay. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2218.91 2219.26 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2221.6 2223.83 Have we found new ideas for 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2220.26 2221.6 That's nice. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2225.51 2227.19 having this kind of meetings? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2227.19 2227.56 Or 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2228.3 2238.99 Um, yeah maybe um uh when we n uh just uh give the numbers of of uh 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2240.17 2250.98 Uh uh o one of uh out of s uh sev Um it's uh easier to uh to do the th things that are like that on a computer. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2250.98 2255.64 Uh, so uh just l uh like uh at u university uh 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2243.3 2243.75 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2250.87 2251.17 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2253 2253.49 So 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2266.29 2267.73 So that's uh 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2256.82 2258.53 So everybody puts his own score. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2256.09 2256.82 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2258.53 2264.38 And then it mediates the score, and you can get one Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2264.38 2266.29 That's better. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2256.73 2257.14 So 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2257.05 2257.42 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2258.54 2258.98 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2259.27 2259.89 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2261.71 2262.08 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 2263.41 2263.78 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2269.02 2269.8 How do we call? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2281.37 2281.96 Evaluation 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2284.65 2285.48 criteria. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2294.79 2295.39 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2298.75 2300.35 Or questions about the project? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2296.67 2298.75 Mm, any more ideas? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2300.35 2301.87 Or about the product? 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2304.52 2305.19 Mm. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2308.37 2310.27 Because I think 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2315 2318.42 then that we get to our last sheet. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2320.98 2322.25 Are the costs within the budget? 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2323.41 2323.75 Mm yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2324.36 2324.67 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2324.9 2325.32 They are. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 2325.68 2330.23 Considering we are not going to make a docking station. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2326.48 2327.59 Do we 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2333.23 2339.42 But maybe because of the docking station the price of the remote can also be a little bit higher? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2331.84 2333.23 That's a good point. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2330.05 2331.84 Docking station. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2340.69 2341.05 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2341.46 2344.59 Uh and I think you can compensate that as well. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 2341.57 2341.98 Perhaps. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2345.04 2345.31 Mm. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2345.86 2350.53 So I think that shouldn't be the biggest problem, because it's very cheap to make as well. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 2350.92 2351.35 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2351.62 2351.98 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2362.26 2364.21 If we gonna export this product. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2364.21 2366.31 It's innovative. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2355.36 2357.28 Or what was it? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2352.06 2355.36 Do we think we gonna get the twelve and a half million? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2357.28 2360.02 Fifteen fifteen million. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2360.02 2362.26 I think we will. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2367.96 2369.96 People are pretty decadent. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2366.31 2367.96 Especially in America. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2356.57 2357.67 Fifty grand. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2364.31 2364.58 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2369.57 2370.37 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2370.37 2370.66 Mm. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2371.17 2371.85 Sometimes. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2372.64 2376.26 Yeah, still I think I mean if we're n gonna make a scroll-button anyway 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2373.13 2373.44 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2378.12 2379.23 You can do more. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2378.12 2382.44 it'd be more for the younger people than for the older people. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2382.44 2384.05 So maybe we should just re-focus. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2381.84 2382.16 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2381.92 2382.17 Ah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2396.48 2404.92 So you can also try to uh reach the younger people by uh putting fancy covers on on the market. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2394.21 2396.48 That's one thing you can change it with. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2405.96 2407.8 See how it works. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2385.17 2387.89 Just put it on the market for everybody. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2404.92 2405.96 Just as a test. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2407.8 2409.6 That's I think a good advantage. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2387.89 2394.21 You can you can change markets where by changing the front covers. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2387.96 2388 Ah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2387.96 2390.04 Or specifically for younger people. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2394.1 2394.28 Ah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2395.02 2395.63 That's true. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2409.19 2417.58 Yeah, I think then it would be way more uh popular with younger people than it is, than would be with 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2419.21 2419.96 older people. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2420.39 2420.73 Yeah. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2421.63 2423.25 Even if it were their covers. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2423.71 2423.91 Hmm. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2423.84 2428.89 Uh, uh then I think we can have our little celebration, right now. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2425.58 2427.28 But 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2429.85 2431.21 Party party. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2430.08 2431.04 That's it. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2437.78 2439.07 I didn't get a message 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2436.41 2437.27 I think. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2437.27 2437.78 I don't know. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2431.04 2432 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2432 2436.41 I think we still have to fit in one more questionnaire. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2434.1 2434.96 Where's the champagne? 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2435.3 2435.57 'Kay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2446.44 2447.66 Five more minutes? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2447.66 2448.57 Oh that's nice. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2440.31 2446.44 from the from ending of the Oh I think I have one now. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2443.96 2444.98 Uh, I believe y uh 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2444.79 2445.21 Oh you did. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2448.15 2448.51 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2457.77 2461.88 Or we can put these in the project folder as well. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2461.88 2462.56 Maybe that's 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2451.41 2454.41 Then we still have some questions. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2454.41 2457.77 If somebody has some questions they can ask them now. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2461.76 2462.09 Mm-hmm. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2462.55 2462.76 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2478.33 2481.37 Export as picture, I think. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2482.15 2482.63 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2482.46 2482.76 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2496.69 2497.84 Hmm. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2497.84 2499.96 This is another network, I guess. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2513.8 2514.5 I don't. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2509.42 2513.8 Does somebody see the project folder? 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2517.23 2517.52 Hmm. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2520.84 2521.82 My Documents. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2527.21 2528.75 Uh maybe uh they will save it. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2528.75 2529.54 So uh 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2529.39 2533.73 Yeah, I'll just put it in My Documents and uh That's okay. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2530.17 2531.06 Yeah, it probably will. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2542.04 2542.89 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2546.38 2550.73 I think I'm going to make our final presentation now. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2551.48 2555.15 Oh yeah, you're supposed to make a final 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2552.38 2559.94 And then I will be back in about ten minutes to show you the final presentation. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2560.07 2560.73 Okay. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 2560.67 2561.44 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2561.44 2562.92 Summary of the project. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2564.21 2566.88 Are we supposed to go into our own rooms again? 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2567.01 2569.86 Uh maybe we have to fill uh another questionnaire. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2569.86 2570.44 So uh 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2574.55 2578.67 And then I'll meet you in I think about ten minutes, or something. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2569.79 2570.26 Questionnaire. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2579.11 2579.69 Thank you. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2568.98 2569.79 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2578.67 2579.11 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2570.26 2574.55 I think you all get a questionnaire in in your room. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2570.62 2571.02 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2571.69 2571.98 Yeah. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2573.21 2574.09 Yeah. 
TS3003d H02 MTD0010ID 2577.85 2578.35 Okay. 
TS3003d H01 MTD011UID 2578.16 2578.81 Okay. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2583.63 2586.76 Hopefully my pen will download its software. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2586.6 2587.42 Yeah. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2587.23 2587.39 Oh. 
TS3003d H00 MTD009PM 2587.98 2588.69 Or data. 
TS3003d H03 MTD012ME 2590.69 2591.56 That'd be nice. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 6.2 6.33 Two. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 11.32 13.12 Good morning. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 11.63 12.47 Hello. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 12.47 12.86 Hello. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 12.97 13.56 Hello. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 16.36 16.64 Ah. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 18.13 20.67 You have to put it exactly on the on the yeah. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 19.97 22.08 Plate? 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 21.2 21.5 Okay. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 22.84 23.66 Good morning. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 23.97 24.88 Good morning. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 32.52 33.88 I took your mouse. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 33.88 37.54 Yeah just yeah, no, that's for me, I just have to make some notes. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 37.54 39.07 I got my uh mouse. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 35.11 35.39 Or 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 32.7 35.11 Should I bring my uh pen too? 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 37.08 37.81 Okay. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 40.15 43.48 Uh I also forgot my mouse, but I don't need my mouse, I think. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 40.96 41.29 Mouse. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 41.79 46.2 yeah. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 44.8 45.24 I do. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 48.22 49.66 Come on. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 49.66 50.17 There we are. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 58.63 60.45 My laptop is crashing. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 62.77 64.84 Damn computers. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 63.54 65.38 Cr 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 74.95 75.97 Help help help. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 77.7 79.42 Let's just check one more time. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 81.29 81.58 Mm. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 83.57 84.1 Hello? 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 85.61 86.12 I dunno. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 82.8 83.57 Can you hear me? 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 84.1 85.61 Test. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 84.23 86.89 Uh actually my laptop doesn't work, switch it on again. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 92.47 93.62 Okay. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 93.62 94.54 I think it works. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 91.64 92.47 Check. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 92.12 92.53 Oh no. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 98.08 99.31 Yes, it's working. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 97.01 98.08 Test test. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 106.59 109.52 So you all read what we are going to do or not? 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 109.52 110.07 Okay. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 109.83 111.61 We're gonna make a remote control. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 108.99 109.83 Mm-hmm. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 109.75 110.06 Yeah. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 111.99 112.59 Yeah, that's right. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 112.35 114.06 I think my laptop is a bit 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 118.32 118.79 etchy. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 119.85 122.98 I just made a a simple uh presentation. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 127.27 128.78 So you put some things in it. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 131.41 131.8 Okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 140.74 141.52 How does this work? 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 141.52 142.44 I dunno. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 143.79 145.52 One uh most to the right. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 145.52 147.32 Yes that one. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 147.32 147.65 Yes. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 144.72 144.99 Uh p 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 146.56 146.94 This one? 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 147.36 148.66 Press F. eleven. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 152.6 156.77 Uh we're going to make uh a remote control, you already know that. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 150.88 152.6 So that's my name,. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 160.54 163.28 You know, this is about twenty five minutes, this meeting. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 149.88 150.88 Okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 156.77 160.54 Just have a look, are we going to uh this agenda of our meeting. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 148.87 149.88 Ah cool. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 179.89 185.02 Uh first we have uh uh three steps of uh making the the remote control. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 185.02 189.84 Fir the first thing is th the functional design, that's very important. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 189.84 193.73 We have to look what the needs are, the effects of the functional design,
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 165.37 169.83 So um the thing we have to know is you already know what we're going to do,
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 169.83 173.82 you also read what this the things or, not yet, okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 193.73 201.45 and and how the mm the the remote control works, so that's where we're going to look in the functional design, it's for the f next meeting. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 173.82 179.89 So um, yeah, it has to be original, trendy, user-friendly that's what we're going to design. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 172.44 172.73 Yes. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 221.04 231.72 And the third thing is uh the detailed design um and that's exa yeah, you know what it is, it's exactly how it looks and whatever. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 213.91 221.04 And we have to look what uh the market is doing for what kind of uh remote controls are in the market. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 231.72 238.42 Okay so uh no, this is a these are two smartboards, with the uh f uh s an introduction of that one. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 205.42 213.91 that's what it that's uh the spe the specifications of the components and the properties and the specifications of the user interface. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 202.24 205.42 The the second thing is the conceptual design 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 247 248.14 Folder, okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 240.48 247 And you already saw you know all that that you here can put uh things in the the red project uh map. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 246.18 246.82 Folder, yes. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 252.97 254.83 So no okay have a look at that one. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 257.02 257.33 Okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 258.98 264.68 So uh what we're going to do first is um 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 267.57 276.95 You have to uh draw uh a favourite animal on the whiteboard and um and say why it's your favourite animal. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 276.95 284.97 So and you have this is just to try it out and we have to uh use a different pen colours and different thickness of the pen. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 266.1 267.57 so you can read. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 286.48 291.7 So okay, so first have to show you, maybe you can come here to have a look how it works. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 296.52 299.72 This a new page, it's okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 294.32 295.14 Yes? 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 295.14 296.52 Okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 299.72 302.69 Use pen format. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 294.45 295.45 Ah I can see it now. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 294.74 295.05 Yeah. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 304.79 308.36 and a different colour can use here no I just take the pink. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 317.8 320.89 And uh line width ten. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 311.25 316.8 You take oh there's no pink, okay, oh just purple, okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 316.8 317.8 No blue. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 320.89 326.07 Okay uh just take what I'm going to draw is an elephant. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 314.41 314.77 Purple. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 327.7 330.3 Just draw slowly, because otherwise it won't work. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 336.38 337.02 It's a very 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 338.18 339.44 nice elephant, you can see. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 344.16 346.4 I dunno what it looks but it doesn't matter. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 348.6 349.5 Looks very nice. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 350.39 351.29 I just h 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 352.44 353.36 Something like this? 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 353.36 354.46 Oh no 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 353.89 359.28 It look like a dinosaurs. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 357.07 358.9 Because I like uh okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 355.48 357.07 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 359.68 360.74 A pink elephant. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 368.77 370.21 Just takes so long, okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 370.21 371.04 Whatever, just. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 372.82 373.7 You erased this one. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 376.31 379.28 It's a bit slow you can see, this is a bit annoying. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 380.26 380.71 Okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 384.72 386.53 Okay, so just 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 387.73 390.52 for you guys just one of you can draw a painting if you want. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 391.54 392.42 Let me try one. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 395.43 395.82 That's okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 391.69 395.43 Just don't um yeah, just u use it like that, yeah. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 396.43 396.96 Okay. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 407.74 408.4 How do I do 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 405.69 407.74 Okay and then uh what's the colour? 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 403.47 405.69 Mm. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 408.25 409.02 It's in format. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 410.91 411.03 Yeah. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 413.52 413.77 Ah. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 416.42 417.85 I'll take this one. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 424.9 428.04 Uh there has to be water, but 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 425.88 426.17 Just 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 433.6 433.94 Okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 432.02 432.4 Okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 427.99 432.02 No it has to be an animal, so if that's it's it should be a shna snake or something. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 432.4 433.6 Okay okay. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 429.93 433.99 Yeah yeah, but it's an animal it's an animal that lives in the water. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 433.99 436.09 So I first uh draw the water. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 432.62 435.15 Okay. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 432.7 438.7 The water is important. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 439.5 440.77 Okay, and now 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 437.65 439.5 Uh. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 445.04 446.02 I make the animal. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 455.94 456.79 It's a fish. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 457.18 458.18 Wow. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 457.27 458.01 Okay, cool. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 464.06 464.45 Mm-hmm. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 472.42 472.69 So. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 474.81 478.56 Um 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 485.02 485.88 This is a worm. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 489.14 490.3 Hmm yeah, that's nice. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 489.37 491.27 Wow. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 492.78 493.35 Uh 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 490.49 492.78 Okay, who next? 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 492.71 498.8 Uh do you have to write down why uh that doesn't matter, just it's to get used to the whiteboard, but it's okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 498.8 501.11 Just make a new blank new blank page. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 498.06 498.63 Okay. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 517.91 518.03 Yeah. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 521.12 523.25 Well Paul? 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 522.02 524.16 Yeah. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 524.16 524.55 Like this? 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 525.4 527.91 Yeah, not too far to the to the t pen top. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 527.84 528.96 Okay. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 528.96 529.54 Um 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 536.16 537.13 let's make it 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 541.64 542.12 um 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 544.64 545.21 a dog. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 556.79 557.04 Ooh. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 568.78 572.33 Maybe you should hold your pen a bit more to the back, so that no, to the yeah. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 574.74 575.72 I think it's a pig. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 574.79 575.24 Ah okay. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 576.79 577.13 A pig? 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 578.34 579.87 I can make a dog. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 578.36 582.38 No, it's a dog. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 578.47 579.04 Or a dog. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 581.31 583.96 Um 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 582.08 582.58 A sheep? 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 586.79 589.99 Uh we d only have twenty five minutes, so. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 588.81 591.41 Take it easy. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 591.87 592.97 'Kay, I make a cat of it. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 596.42 597.95 I I was gonna make a cat too. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 599.52 600.92 Use your fantasy. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 601.98 603.23 Oh, not too quick. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 604.97 608.08 Just hold it more more to the back then you don't have okay. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 607.24 607.72 No I have it. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 609.66 611.08 I just draw too quick I think. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 612.62 613.62 Okay, that's it. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 615.65 615.96 More. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 616.71 617.85 No, that's okay, thank you. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 619.7 620.89 It's just to get used to it. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 621.91 622.59 Okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 648.79 649.71 But it's just 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 640.24 647.08 I thought these pens would be just um uh you write it down and you download it to Word, you already did it or no? 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 647.08 648.79 No, not yet, okay. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 646.95 647.54 No. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 652.04 653.62 You really got to write on that paper. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 647.72 652.04 Yeah, that's right, it but you actually got to write on the paper. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 651.55 651.85 Sorry? 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 653.2 658.18 Yeah, I know, but I d I I thought it would be just in in in uh typed words in Word 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 661.54 664.49 So it's not that cool as I th thought it would be. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 658.18 661.54 so that's not just it's just a picture. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 653.67 654.71 Yeah yeah, it's a real pen. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 657.79 659.47 Yeah, but it's just a picture. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 661.11 661.52 Oh. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 662.54 663.47 You really 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 662.63 666.42 Y you can you can't edit in the edit it in Word. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 666.26 666.48 No. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 666.52 666.8 No. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 668.11 669.81 Oh, okay. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 685.42 686.54 It's a donkey. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 694.07 696.55 I don't know, what time did we start this meeting, I'm not sure. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 697.05 698.38 Uh I think it was uh 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 698.8 699.33 Half past. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 699.9 700.6 Half past ten. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 700.88 701.02 Yeah. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 701.65 701.94 Okay. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 709.8 710.35 Brilliant. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 710.7 711.49 Okay, perfect. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 710.94 712.41 Nice, eh? 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 711.59 711.88 Yep. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 715.25 717.79 Now we just have to save everything, so. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 714.66 715.25 Yeah, thank you. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 730.43 733.96 Oh this is definitely the best one. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 734.04 734.36 Uh. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 735.36 736.25 Okay, so 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 738.92 744.92 uh what we know is that we have to sell this uh remote control for about twenty five Euros. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 746.53 746.98 Excuse me. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 747.92 752.99 And uh we have to make a profit of fifty million Euros, so we have to uh use a big market in Europe. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 746.77 747.92 Okay, that's. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 754.04 754.63 Piece of cake. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 754.37 756.78 The production cost are about half the price of selling price, sorry. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 757.01 757.76 Uh easy. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 758.13 759.91 So can someone make a 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 761.41 766.61 a calculation about how many we have to sell of these to make fifty million, I dunno. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 766.61 774.98 Uh so we're gonna have a little discussion about um what experience are with a remote control the and everything 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 774.98 778.46 so just have a look how it we think about remote controls. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 779.04 784.35 Yeah, my first question was does it have to be a a universal remote control? 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 784.51 785.97 Oh yeah, that's a good question. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 786.41 794.78 Because we sell it uh uh uh lonely from the t and not with the television, we sell it uh apart. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 795.89 799.45 I think it's I'm not I'm not sure, it's not mm I think 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 796.88 797.76 So I 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 798.37 800.96 Yeah, it probably would be universal. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 800.24 801.74 Universal. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 803.85 804.83 Or more devices? 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 801.74 803.85 And only television? 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 800.4 801.02 Because 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 804.74 811.34 I don't think you can buy a a a universal uh remote control for twenty five Euros, so not sure, but 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 811.88 813.06 Hmm, maybe, I don't know. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 812.16 817.99 Yeah, I know uh you can buy a re a universal uh control for uh only twenty uh Euros 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 815.94 819.57 Okay, so we we just say we just say that's universal remote control. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 819.57 820.37 Okay, perfect. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 818.99 819.81 Yeah, I think. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 819.31 819.82 Ah okay. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 821.38 827.86 And uh also for the V. C. R. and uh D. V. D. player and okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 826.34 830.97 Yeah, everything just so a lot of buttons on the remote control. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 830.26 832.15 Yeah, probably. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 832.14 833.17 Not just a T. V. . 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 833.57 834.42 No, just everything. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 834.67 835.06 Okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 835.55 840.9 so yeah, what what what's a remote control, it's just a black thing with some buttons on it,
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 840.9 845.85 it's not nothing very special, but um yeah, that's right. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 835.78 836.4 Okay. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 844 845.51 Well we can try to make it special. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 847.11 852.2 So do you have any ideas how it has to look for for usability or user 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 850.99 851.69 Well 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 856.57 862.61 we don't have uh the same television uh all the time, so uh that's no matter. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 851.04 856.57 Well I th I thought about um making it the same uh style as the television,
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 862.61 870.14 Um if we uh control the V. C. R. and the D. V. D. player player with it 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 872.1 883.52 uh it has to be clear, because uh kids and uh elderly are gonna use it, so uh it's not only for the uh technical persons. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 886.49 887.12 Um 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 897.69 901.58 the the infrared uh thing must be from very good quality. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 889.89 897.69 I think it must be a very good control, so you can uh uh uh act uh use it from uh everywhere in your room 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 898.53 899.08 Hmm yeah. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 905.19 906.01 Should be a good point. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 904.21 905.19 That's right. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 906.72 907.24 Yeah. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 907.24 908.75 Nothing 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 906.74 907.12 Okay. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 909.92 911.14 And how big should it be? 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 910.18 910.42 N 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 913.21 914.72 I dunno um 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 910.58 912.35 No. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 912.35 913.21 Yeah. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 916.59 922.07 It shouldn't be too big, but I don't think we can make it too small, 'cause it has to have a lot of functions, so. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 922.45 922.67 Yeah. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 924.43 927.85 We can't make it smaller than the things we see now I think. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 928.77 931.68 Just big enough for the buttons we have, that's that's it. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 930.63 931.2 Yeah. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 931.2 933.05 Or we have to make something uh 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 940.48 943.38 Maybe then you can make it s smaller and uniquer, 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 934.66 940.48 like uh mobile phones that you can uh fold it opem. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 939.83 940.06 Yeah. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 938.86 939.83 Yeah. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 944.4 944.93 Yes 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 945.56 946.43 maybe more trendy. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 947.24 951.35 But you you you you think about uh uh one you can fold open. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 953.42 956.59 Maybe for the D. V. D. pla player or something, if you just okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 951.35 953.42 Okay, yeah, that's cool. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 953.3 954.1 I think 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 950.6 953.3 Fold open, where you can see uh more options. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 953.08 954.23 Ah that's that's 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 953.4 954.12 Yeah n 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 955.42 965.34 Yeah, something uh on top, just dren general things like volume and T. V. channels and inside things you don't use that often. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 956.28 958.1 Ah right right. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 956.95 957.53 Yeah, or you c 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 965.38 965.56 Yeah. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 965.69 966.92 Oh that's good, yeah. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 965.79 971.51 O or you could th think of an uh uh a small touch screen on the remote control. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 971.76 973.45 Yeah b I wanted 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 972.13 972.86 Yeah. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 973.44 976.08 Why should you use a touchscreen on a remote control? 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 976.08 976.98 There are buttons on it. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 974.7 978.7 Uh maybe be uh it's it's 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 977.96 980.11 No you can make an uh manual in it. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 981.49 986.45 Yeah, or um maybe to keep it uh easy and uh small. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 987.23 987.53 Okay. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 988.52 989.03 Yeah, but 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 988.65 991.26 But it's not t t t too expensive to put a touchscreen on it. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 988.88 992.93 But that's Yeah, I think it's much uh too expensive. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 988.97 992.19 Uh like a a to have Yeah, maybe it would. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 990.78 995.89 Yeah but it's not reachable I think, touch screen. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 999.57 1007.3 because uh uh remote controls are most uh things in the house that falls down on the ground and it get often uh broken. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 995.89 999.57 And we have to care for uh the strength of the remote control 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 999.57 999.81 Yeah. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1007.61 1012.17 And if you have a touch screen in it, it's definitely too too fragile uh fragile. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1005.2 1006.06 Yeah. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1006.06 1007.61 So. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1010.38 1011.42 Yeah, too fragile. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1010.67 1016.49 Yeah and a lots uh uh lots of kids use it and touchscreen is not uh kids uh 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1014.83 1014.98 No. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1016.63 1019.25 You can put games on your remote control. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1019.25 1020.02 Whatever. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1017.1 1017.73 Kid-proof. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1018.68 1020.66 Yeah. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1019.04 1024.09 And uh how about the batteries? 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1024.09 1028.87 Uh should you put it in a recharger or a just 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1020.99 1022.11 Um 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1027.86 1033.14 Oh maybe that's a good idea, just to put it on your television and just s recharge, you never have to use any batteries. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1027.98 1029.84 Ma maybe a home station. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1029.51 1029.9 Yeah. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1031.21 1031.89 Mm yeah. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1032.55 1036.04 Maybe that's a good idea, but yeah, we have to look at the price now I think. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1036.66 1039.79 Yeah, how m how mu how how expensive uh is a normal recharger? 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1036.93 1037.34 Yeah. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1037.89 1038.78 Yeah, I dunno. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1039.16 1044.46 Well uh how much is your uh standards uh mobile phone recharger? 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1045.05 1045.44 I dunno. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1046.08 1055.23 Yeah, if you buy it uh separately from your phone it's probably expensive, but I don't know what the project uh projection costs are for such a thing. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1048.5 1048.95 Ah yeah. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1053.19 1054.82 Maybe have uh 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1054.85 1060.43 Uh if you th look at the market, it's probably it's still the best way just to put batteries in it, because maybe it's too expensive. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1059.7 1061.37 Yeah, 'cause well 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1060.69 1061.09 Yeah. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1072.7 1073.4 Maybe it's 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1060.99 1064.91 Yeah, but a home station is uh a really good idea,
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1064.91 1072.7 because uh lots of people are uh lose their remote control and don't know where it is, and now you can put it always at the same place. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1070.2 1071.63 Yeah, that's right, yeah. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1071.59 1071.8 Yeah. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1072.56 1072.73 Yeah. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1074.61 1077.28 Therefore it's a good idea, but maybe it's expensive. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1078.08 1081.13 Maybe uh use it as a separate option. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1081.13 1082.28 Sell it uh separately. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1080.58 1080.93 Yeah. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1082 1083.9 You can yeah, you can buy it with it. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1083.55 1088.24 Yeah, but I have a mouse that's uh uh also uh 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1088.58 1089.25 Rechargeable. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1089.34 1097.28 Yeah, and and you just have normal batteries that you can recharge and just put it in the station, or you can change your batteries, so. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1093.78 1094 Yeah. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1096.25 1096.59 Oh yeah. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1097.56 1099.31 The option, just the option, that's cool. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1098.91 1099.2 Yeah. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1107.07 1114.52 uh the the on off button must be on top, uh it has to lay good in the hand, you you have to uh 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1099.49 1107.07 Uh I I set something on paper already, size, looks, uh usable, uh the buttons on usable places,
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1109.97 1110.22 Yeah. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1111.38 1111.79 Yeah. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1114.49 1122.22 Has it be has does it has to b have to be um uh like a different form than a normal remote control or 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1120.16 1122.96 Yeah, I don't I don't know I don't know if we 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1122.26 1128.93 Well I think we have to look at that, 'cause well you can do the standard way, but then you won't 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1128.09 1134.52 You can make it very special, to create our own um looks, but it's very hard to 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1130.85 1131.09 Yeah 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1134.01 1140.22 N uh if if we want to make it special, we probably have to do a lot of testing, if it really works. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1140.48 1140.98 Nah. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1140.63 1142.2 Well you can um 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1143.25 1153.38 have uh the basic things on the same place, like on off button on top and the T. V. channels one two three four as a block,
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1153.38 1157.85 and then the volume uh obviously on t on top, so you can see. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1166.97 1174.3 So it doesn't matter what place it is on the remote control I think, so you can do something unique with that. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1160.7 1166.97 so if you have a clear button with an good icon on it, it should be clear as well. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1157.85 1160.7 But the rest is uh you don't use that often,
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1153.08 1153.32 Yeah. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1166.63 1166.94 Yeah. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1167.21 1167.47 Yeah. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1174.92 1185.84 And what we have to think about too is uh uh buttons that you use often are um maybe uh like when you fold it open,
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1191.39 1199.91 But n yeah, but uh i basically when I'm watching T. V. I'm just using like five buttons or so, so. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1185.84 1190.76 when you have it closed, you can still uh do the th the functions. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1190.76 1191.39 Yeah. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1190.59 1195.6 Uh on on top are the the basic options on top, and if you fold it open 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1189.15 1190.59 Yeah yeah, what Paul already said. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1190.8 1193.81 Yeah, just for the T. V. and just the normal function, that's fine. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1192.56 1193.24 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1195.56 1196.14 But maybe it's 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1199.08 1199.33 Yeah. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1199.33 1201.08 That's what I meant. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1200.33 1207.05 maybe it's very hard to to make it fold open and to l look like it's very uh uh what's it's called? 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1206.92 1208.34 Mm. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1208.34 1215.95 If you if if you make to fold open it's or also an uh the strength uh is not s as good as a normal uh remote control. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1208.49 1210.17 Maybe it's hard t 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1208.82 1209.53 Uh 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1214.84 1220.45 So maybe we have to to uh keep it like mm a square, just normal remote control. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1214.23 1214.84 No, that's right. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1220.66 1221.6 Okay, but yeah. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1223.19 1224.06 Just think about it. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1236.18 1237.85 So you know what you have to what you have to do? 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1231.54 1236.18 We have uh another thirty minutes, so then we're going to meet again. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1224.06 1228.6 We have to close this uh to finish this uh meeting, so. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1228.6 1231.54 There's some more things. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1223.33 1223.83 Yeah. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1227.5 1227.79 Okay. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1240.36 1240.78 Okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1242.04 1242.3 Yeah. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1242.56 1247.71 Um for m for me uh the Marketing Expert, the user requirements uh specification,
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1247.71 1252.9 do I need to think as a user, a as a a a only the looks and the 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1251.39 1253.76 No, what you want to do with it. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1259.99 1262.83 Also from a user, but all these things together. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1262.83 1263.66 Yeah, everything. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1253.81 1259.99 Yeah, I think this if you you have to n know if it's for s a T. V., a D. V. D. player, all that things. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1259.55 1260.02 Okay. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1261.53 1265.82 Yeah, it's also about strength and uh for everything uh. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1263.14 1266.08 Yeah, I also wrote down some stuff that you want on a 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1265.63 1271.76 Yeah, no maybe not not uh, that's not a f that's something for for for yeah. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1271.76 1272.47 That's not for you. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1270.5 1271.44 Technical fun fu 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1273.54 1274.07 Okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1273.88 1277.83 Just if what's in the market, what's normal, uh what kind of uh buttons do you have. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1276.93 1280.7 What do you want to do with your remote control, what do you need on your remote control. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1280.7 1284.06 I already wrote some down, some ideas. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1280.83 1281.41 Yeah, it's alright. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1284.4 1284.7 Yep. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1285.19 1286.89 Yeah, just is that okay? 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1287.25 1287.74 Okay. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1287.6 1287.77 Yep. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1287.93 1288.44 Okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1288.9 1289.03 Okay. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1289.65 1291.58 There's already a document in the 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1292.84 1294.4 folder about it. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1293.79 1294.41 Yeah, me too. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1298.49 1299.71 So see you in thirty minutes. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1300.15 1300.82 Okay, well done. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1300.54 1301.02 Okay. 
TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1301.09 1301.81 Okay. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1302.08 1307.63 For the next time you have to uh put it exactly on the square, so your laptop. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1307.77 1308.52 I will. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1308.02 1309.99 Oh Paul. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1311.48 1312.33 It didn't say that. 
TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1312.98 1313.66 No, sorry. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1313.75 1314.29 Your fault. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1317.06 1317.53 Ciao. 
TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1325.68 1329.24 Bye bye. 
TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1327.99 1328.89 Bye bye. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 34.67 37.99 I just forgot their name, so uh you're i sorry, I just forgot them all. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 37.99 40.03 So I have to write it down. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 38.52 40.92 Okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 41.4 41.85 So 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 42.24 43.06 Fine. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 43.85 45.1 Do you know them or 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 45.83 46.7 The names? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 46.45 46.72 Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 48.32 50.75 For for for my sur um Jens. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 49.76 50.04 Yeah. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 51.38 53.4 Yeah, no, but your b your surname. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 53.66 54.33 Uh Damman. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 56.72 58.86 D. A. W. . 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 63.77 64.31 Okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 62.78 63.77 W. O. da. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 64.42 65.51 I mean M. . 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 62.88 64.42 Uh uh M. M. . 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 65.51 66.06 Double M. . 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 67.3 67.69 Okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 69.33 70.95 And what's your name? 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 72.68 73.16 Paul Wiezer. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 71.31 72.68 Paul Wiezer. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 75.26 78.3 W. I. E. S. z Z. or S. ? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 78.3 81.55 Uh uh zee. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 81.55 82.68 Okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 82.68 83.33 What's your name? 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 75.33 79.47 A. E. Z. zee zee 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 80.87 81.3 E. R. . 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 84 84.73 Uh Martijn. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 85.28 86.83 Yeah, but your surname. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 87.41 87.73 What? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 87.86 88.42 Your surname. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 91.07 92.88 A. B. B. I. N. G. . 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 89.01 91.07 Uh Abbing. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 92.84 94 Okay, thanks. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 97.16 99.5 I was a little short on time, but 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 97.23 97.36 Uh. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 98.82 104.65 Yeah, me too, so that's not No no no, I just fi first my 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 99.89 101.27 Yeah, same here. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 102.72 103.62 Oh. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 103.62 104.03 Sorry. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 108.48 109.84 Which one was mine? 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 106.89 108.48 Uh let's see. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 109.33 114.17 So let's have a look, we have forty minutes, so it's it's more than enough. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 120.89 123.27 So we have Oh no, what's that? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 119.34 120.89 Okay, perfect. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 126.21 130.68 So so we have uh forty minutes for this uh for this second meeting,
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 130.68 135.57 and we have to make uh sure that we going t that we are sure, that we are, 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 131.16 131.96 Good. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 141.28 145.72 Uh first I have the notes of the last meeting, so I showed uh show them to you. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 137.03 141.28 that we know what we're going to make uh th what the product is going to like look like. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 147.78 150.05 Oh, sorry about that, I just escape this one. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 151.83 152.72 How do I escape this? 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 153.94 154.18 What? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 154.37 156.71 How do I I escape this s uh presentation? 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 159.68 160.12 So 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 157.69 159.68 Uh left. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 157.77 158.44 Uh 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 160.79 163.13 And show, sorry. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 163.13 166.53 Okay, so let's have a look s at this one. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 159.02 160.79 Ah okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 159.61 160.18 Just Yeah. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 194.08 194.83 Um 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 185.46 191.83 Um so yeah, it still has to be uh f a r a remote control for kids and elderly. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 191.83 194.08 It's it's still the same. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 182.26 185.46 So have you changed that part? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 167.75 174.43 Okay, so the f the f the points we had last meeting was the um Should be a univ uh universal remote control No 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 174.43 182.26 that's I uh s I just got a email from the from the personal coach and it should be a T. V. remote control only. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 184.53 185.06 Okay. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 184.67 185.46 Okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 196.04 197.23 All these points uh we have to 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 200.59 202.07 But uh there's another point. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 202.07 204.75 The um uh the main 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 198.55 199.16 look at. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 199.16 200.59 You all know them. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 216.52 219.34 'Specially old people, maybe bi bigger buttons or something, I dunno. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 206.1 210.64 uh people of interest of this company are forty plus people. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 210.64 213.91 So they're old and not younger people. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 213.91 216.52 So we have to look at that as well. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 219.65 220.16 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 225.01 225.71 Uh so 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 229.75 234.24 So yeah, that's it, so just you can do your presentation for uh 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 234.24 235.17 Which one first? 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 235.03 235.68 Okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 235.61 237.24 Oh it doesn't matter, just start with the 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 237.45 237.9 Okay. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 240.63 241.19 Mm. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 249.67 250.65 Uh 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 251.55 252.75 Functional requirements, yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 268.99 270.64 Um I've 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 267.08 268.99 Wait. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 260.2 261.68 Okay. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 261.68 267.08 Well my name is Jens Damman, but we're in a group, and I I will start it. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 272.68 275.37 used a marketing report on uh the site. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 275.37 278.85 Uh I think you've uh read it too. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 278.85 282.95 Uh and uh f and furthermore I uh surfed the o the other site. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 283.68 288 I I didn't read i read it, so it's not for me, I didn't get it uh anyway. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 288 288.92 It's only for you. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 285.97 286.64 You didn't read it? 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 286.93 289.88 No, I didn don't thing we got it. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 289.88 290.23 Yes. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 290.02 298.31 Okay it was uh uh uh um um a report about uh an experiment with uh a lot of users. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 287.91 290.02 Oh okay, I I was the only one who get it. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 289.64 289.94 Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 298.6 308.23 And uh they had a lot of findings in their report uh with statistical uh uh uh thing uh with statistical uh proof. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 308.92 315.27 So I um I had three pages with findings and sev a lot of uh a lot of findings. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 315.27 319.6 So we can use this uh to uh create our own remote control. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 319.6 324.42 Uh seventy five percent of the users find uh most remote controls ugly. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 330.75 336.2 Uh eighty percent of users would spend when uh a remote control will l uh look fancy. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 325.12 330.75 Yeah, I think uh uh that's a lot, so we have to make a beautiful remote control. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 342.97 348.72 Older people will uh spend more money uh for uh something uh uh what's good. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 348.72 355.64 Because younger people are more critical uh about uh uh where they spend their money money at. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 336.53 342.97 I think this fits uh at the uh what what uh Michael said about uh older people. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 356.96 361.69 Uh seventy five percent uh seventy five percent of the users say they zap a lot. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 364.23 367.78 I think uh we we have to make uh good zap buttons. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 367.78 370.28 But that's one of our requirements. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 361.69 364.23 Well okay, that's uh normal. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 369.77 372.42 The last point is quite an interesting 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 375.39 377.93 Um Martijn alr already said it. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 371.73 375.39 Yes, fifty percent of users say they only use ten percent of the buttons. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 377.93 383.01 And uh maybe our uh fold open system is is a good one, but 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 375.68 376.32 So if we 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 377.57 377.77 Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 384.34 385.77 I don't think it's uh 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 386 389.23 Yeah, we should have the ten percent on the on the top, then you're you're 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 386.87 387.45 reachable. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 388.96 390.3 Yeah, the ten percent on the top, yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 397.78 406.18 That's exactly what we said about um maybe a home station for uh for it uh to uh recharge the batteries or something. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 392.16 394.46 Um uh page two. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 390.3 392.16 That that's a good one. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 394.46 397.78 Remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 389.83 390.27 Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 406.67 413.36 Uh I thought mo maybe we could make a clap system, so when you clap your hands it will beep or something. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 413.36 416.44 Uh you must find it uh quickly. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 415.66 416.17 Uh. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 416.77 418.52 Maybe just a button on the home station. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 418.52 422.94 So remote control beeps when you click that button on the home station. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 431.38 434.35 Uh I think we must t uh take a look at this. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 426.72 431.38 Uh it takes too much time to learn how to use a r new remote control. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 423.07 424.78 Okay, yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 424.78 426.72 Yeah, we can uh combine that. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 438.78 441.76 But it's uh a tough one. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 434.43 438.78 It's only uh th thirty four of the thirty four percent. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 441.76 450.65 Because if we make a ha whole new product, our own style, we we c uh this is so difficult, uh a difficulty I think. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 460.05 465.4 I don't We we haven't Uh we mustn't look too much at uh the last point. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 452.34 455.47 Uh next, remote controls are bad for R. S. I. . 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 455.47 460.05 Yeah, but only if they zap a lot, and they watch over five hours T. V. or something. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 480.64 481.97 We already thought about that. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 465.99 468.48 Okay, last page. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 477.91 480.64 And uh an L. C. D. on the remote control. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 474.48 477.91 We didn't uh think about that already. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 468.48 474.48 Uh the last uh experiment uh was about gadgets, like uh speech recognition. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 494.06 496.06 And but they're more critical. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 482.59 494.06 Um uh they finally had a conclusion that younger people um uh under an age of f forty five are uh more interested in new features. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 499.67 507.32 But uh they uh they don't want to uh have a lot of uh new features, because they're in their old uh thinking way. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 507.32 510.98 And they want to keep the old uh things the old things. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 496.33 499.67 And older people uh want to spend uh more money. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 511.16 514.96 So we have uh a new uh age of forty plus. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 513.61 519.25 But y But you but you already said that the uh company was about uh forty plus uh clients? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 518.2 518.5 People. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 518.5 523.27 So yeah, so we just can skip the L. C. D. r on the remote control, because 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 531.85 533.2 Um then 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 521.41 531.85 I I think we can speak, uh we can skip speech recognition uh directly, because it's not reachable for twenty five Euros. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 522.37 522.71 Yeah. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 527.91 528.92 It's too Okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 526.89 527.91 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 530.86 531.14 Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 537.16 543.09 Okay, that's not very good, because I thought about television, D. V. D. player, stereo and V. C. R. . 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 534.25 537.16 I have my personal uh preference. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 543.09 544.21 I had a question about. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 544.21 546.6 But it's already out of the question, this. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 547.23 555.88 Um my point is, well, I If we ma uh make a a remote uh control for only television 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 555.88 558.76 I think it's hard to uh sell it for twenty five Euros. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 558.76 560.13 But it's the exercise. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 561.76 562.42 Yeah, probably. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 560.2 561.76 Because it's too expensive. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 561.29 568.89 Yeah, only only for television uh On the market you can now buy for twenty Euros a remote control for everything. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 568.89 573.86 And we only make it for television, so we mi mm we m must made it make it uh very special. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 573.89 576.53 Yeah, but good usability, so you can use it. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 577 579.36 Okay, I told about the home station. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 579.36 584.59 Uh it must be simple, because uh our the the elderly people uh needs to use it. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 587.07 589.88 And we put the fashion in electronics. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 599.73 602.79 We have to be um Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 596.25 599.73 We we have to make a a new product. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 589.88 596.25 And that's uh the motto we are uh referenced to uh for our uh our style. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 585.04 587.07 And I I found a motto. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 604.39 606.29 One of a kind, I think. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 605.86 609.66 So it has to look uh uh uh unique, but 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 608 608.44 Unique. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 608.43 612.25 The company is about our uh th th their own fashion, their own style. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 612.09 613.39 Yeah, I reckon 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 612.14 612.39 Yeah. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 613.32 615.02 But old people are not looking for that. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 615.51 616.78 Uh I think mm 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 616.38 616.96 Not really. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 617.45 618.58 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 625.21 625.62 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 618.58 625.21 I think the main thing is the usability, that's where we can uh make it a special product. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 617.52 618.22 Uh 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 622.21 622.45 Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 623.22 626.9 Yeah, to k to keep it simple when you Sorry I thought about it, yes. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 624 624.61 Okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 624.61 624.8 Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 633.22 638.48 But we have to make sure that we're better usability, and stand out by just looks of it. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 638.48 641.63 So make it just a different colour or different shape, so 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 625.15 633.22 But uh we also have to stand out, 'cause there are already, like you said, so many controls out that support lot of stuff. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 641.84 642.24 Okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 640.84 641.84 Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 643.07 644.97 Okay, this was uh my presentation. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 644.29 644.64 Thanks. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 645.72 646.03 Okay. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 648.48 649.6 I don't Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 649.6 651.52 You can ask some questions or something. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 649.13 651.01 So Paul, you can do the next one if you want. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 652.37 653.01 Yeah well 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 650.87 652.37 Okay. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 654.98 655.83 Uh. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 654.99 659.07 It's on the on the uh net net uh thing, isn't it? 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 657.61 658.05 There it is. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 667.03 668.43 Technical functions design. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 666.05 667.03 Okay. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 670.23 673.91 Okay, well, so we have s mm uh broad audience. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 680.03 683.57 Uh the way I want to keep it simple is to use the sen uh standard. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 675.41 680.03 But um we have elderly people, so we need to keep it simple. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 673.91 675.41 Isn't that isn't true anymore. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 691.84 696.37 Not too full, like uh Jens already said, only ten percent is being used. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 684.8 691.84 So standardised uh methods like uh on all uh remote controls. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 697.08 700.63 So what do you think of only the numbers and the on-off button or 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 701.75 706.96 But yes uh basic functions like numbers and that sort of stuff. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 700.16 701.75 Yeah, I have it on the next page. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 706.96 717 Um so the options that we put on there should be easy to use, and 'cause you have more room then, and for elderly people big buttons. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 723.08 726.27 So it doesn't take much time to figure out uh how to use it. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 717 723.08 Uh an icon on it or text on it, so it's very clear what that buttons does. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 701.88 702.16 Okay. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 727.49 735.44 Um a way to find out uh what people use is maybe just to use uh questionnaires on the internet or 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 736.75 742.97 just ask some random people, elderly people what they use, what they want on a remote control 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 742.74 743.07 Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 744.32 745.19 to find out. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 745.19 746.94 But there is already in a 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 748.82 751.22 Of functions I could think of. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 751.22 754.84 Uh volume, channels, the the basic according to. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 748.3 748.82 one done. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 756.13 758.12 Just one two three etcetera. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 758.12 759.34 Uh text service options. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 766.82 773.94 I always look up the same um pages on text and always have to click the number. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 760.5 762.38 Um basic on-off. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 762.38 766.82 And I found an uh Could I think of favourites? 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 773.94 778.57 But if you could make a new option, that you just have to press one button and you get on your 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 773.36 773.83 Okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 778.78 782.36 Yeah, but then you have to remember what favourite is what channel. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 782.36 785.41 So you might as well remember the number. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 786.66 786.96 Or not? 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 787.48 787.95 No y 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 790.28 791.6 It's a good idea, but 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 787.56 790.28 Maybe i maybe it's too complicated, but not sure. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 791.73 797.26 So I'm, I u I would find it handy, I think, when you just press one button and you get on six six six. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 789.65 791.73 Well it's It was just a thought. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 798.2 806.95 But um how can you remember what uh channel uh connects to what favourite button? 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 797.8 798.2 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 825.48 826.57 Just numbers. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 821.64 825.48 And if you make favourites, it can say six six six in a row. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 806.13 809.24 Well uh what I was reading on the page. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 818.94 821.64 So uh button six says says six. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 826.57 828.26 That can be in the in the 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 809.24 815.97 Uh a remote control just sends commands, basics commands to uh the television. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 815.97 818.94 So switch to channel six. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 807.45 808.28 Uh 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 818.33 818.56 Yeah? 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 826.65 827 Yeah okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 827 832.06 But uh uh for a user to to remember, if I press that button it goes to that channel. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 833.07 834.44 Well if you said a favourite 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 834.71 838.06 Yeah, but isn't it hard to remember? 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 838.06 839.48 Like favourite one and 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 840.21 846.22 Uh mayb for me it's If I use my telephone, I never use those buttons to to to call sh Never. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 840.27 840.96 Well i 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 840.69 842.78 Mm as as hard as 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 846.03 846.25 Oh. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 845.29 846.03 Never? 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 845.75 846.68 No, neither do I. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 846.89 847.36 Oh are you? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 846.92 848.55 So And 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 848.24 849.57 Okay now, m maybe not. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 850.15 854.25 If I don't do it, maybe old people 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 855.76 856.2 Right. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 856.2 857.44 They don't like new features. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 853.77 855.76 No, maybe elderly people uh. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 857.44 858.13 So maybe not. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 855.28 856.13 Yeah, I dunno. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 858.3 858.63 Mm-hmm. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 861.41 863.77 I dunno if that's usable when 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 859.42 861.41 Um well play, pause. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 862.83 865.28 It's not, it's still not It's not anymore n uh 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 868.06 871.22 I dunno, miss Did I miss any other buttons, basic buttons? 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 866.03 868.06 Right, on off. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 864.8 866.03 Not anymore for T. V. . 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 873.09 873.91 Um 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 873.31 876.3 I couldn't think of any other, 'specially not for T. V. . 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 877.76 879.45 No, that's the only th the only thing you need. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 876.49 877.76 Just on the front as well. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 879.53 879.93 Is 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 885.29 885.71 I don't thi 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 882.53 885.29 Previous I know, but next channel? 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 879.64 882.53 Uh uh the p uh next and previous. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 884.96 888.42 Just the channel um uh What I mean is uh 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 887.73 888.29 Forward. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 888.5 891.4 Li like a web browser, so Oh, okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 891.4 897.5 But uh um there's also a button to uh go to the channel you've been before. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 889.01 892.09 Six seven eight or five. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 891.21 892.16 Just very simple. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 898.66 900.74 Like a web browser back button. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 902.26 903.7 I don't have Uh I did 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 900.05 902.26 Um I dunno. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 902.06 906.49 Uh Yeah, I know what it is, but I think it's all too difficult for old people. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 906.19 906.66 Uh 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 904.82 906.19 No. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 905.22 906.63 Yeah, I don't think you use that. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 906.63 908.36 Y only when you want to go to 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 906.43 907.21 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 909.49 913.1 Yeah, just use uh when you wanna switch between channels all the time. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 918.08 920.65 Normally you can press one, zero or 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 913.02 918.08 And how do you want to uh do it, like if you have a channel above ten? 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 913.11 913.41 Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 919.74 925.26 Yeah, I think um f Especially for older peo elderly people use standard buttons. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 925.26 926.36 So you have that uh 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 927.55 928.87 A ten plus or 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 928.34 929.85 Yeah, the ten plus button. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 929.85 933.23 Just uh one one pressing, or quickly after each other. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 933.27 933.58 Okay. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 935.05 937.68 To just keep it simple and standard uh features. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 943.06 944.87 Maybe the elderly people 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 938 943.06 Yeah, w wouldn't it be a problem to uh Because you h have to be fast enough. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 951.65 953.71 But you can have a button that says um 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 949.59 951.65 That's how the uh the T. V. T. V. handles it. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 944.53 949.59 Uh yeah mayb But I think that's in the T. V. as well. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 945.52 946.91 It gets some seconds. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 955.48 957.77 two two st two stripes. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 957.77 962.03 So you have uh like a five seconds period to press those two buttons. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 955.65 957.92 Yeah, it's it's no it's not a 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 956.76 957.56 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 955.85 956.76 Oh okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 959.47 960.92 Yeah, but that's th mm 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 969.62 976.18 It's the T. V. who depends that it must be two seconds or three seconds or one second that you must uh type one or two. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 962.87 969.62 It's not a remote control uh uh that um uh makes the T. V. um do one two. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 962.05 962.87 It's what Paul says. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 972.34 972.82 Okay. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 986.12 992.42 and that And not for elderly people to look, one two uh press and aim and 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 981.7 986.12 So we have a a period of, I dunno, five seconds to press those buttons,
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 975.67 981.7 So if you have a universal T. V. controller, you needed one button that has two uh stripes. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 976.47 976.83 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 981.43 981.79 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 986.84 987.23 Yeah. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 995.92 999.94 Because if we only have that l only f No. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 993.22 995.92 But do we still need a two level remote control? 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 997.07 998.34 It's only for television now. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 998.21 1000.45 So I I don't think so. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1010.2 1012.96 And then uh navigation uh 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1000.45 1002.91 Uh I just thought of another one. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1007.65 1010.2 So you also need a menu button. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1002.91 1007.65 Most things in modern T. V. s are also on the menu. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1000.19 1000.48 No. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1007.3 1007.76 Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1014.42 1018.4 But we can integrate that with volume and previous and next, so you have 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1014.77 1015.45 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1033.26 1036.63 Because you n almost never use menu button. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1036.63 1037.11 So 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1024.07 1033.26 like um uh m maybe uh switch channels and uh volume and k that kind of things, and uh the menu button. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1019.59 1024.07 I I think you ha really have to divide between functions you often use,
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1020.51 1021.14 four arrows. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1036.29 1038.49 Yeah, okay, but um 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1040.4 1043.98 You'll also have to use a mute button to to 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1038.01 1040.4 Maybe it's still still a good idea, I'm not sure. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1045.49 1046.02 Don't think so. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1043.5 1044.52 Yeah, a mute button. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1044.52 1045.49 Yes. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1045.26 1048.2 Maybe, not I don't know where where you have to put it. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1055.17 1056.49 What we're gonna use. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1056.49 1058.53 And later we can d uh do the design. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1052.25 1055.17 Now I have to figure out what's uh what to put on. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1049.35 1052.25 Yeah well, that's that's I think that's the layers that produce. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1055.94 1056.16 Yeah. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1055.41 1055.94 Yeah. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1056.16 1056.98 That's right. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1055.06 1055.41 Okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1056 1056.58 Okay. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1062.58 1064.54 Uh using the standards, basic 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1059.63 1062.58 Okay, uh now my personal preferences. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1065.46 1070.67 Um I think that we should stand out uh unique, being unique with the design. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1076.08 1081.41 So when you are in the shop and you see our T. V. controller hanging, that it stands out. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1072.15 1076.08 So we have to, I dunno, uh make a different shape than usual. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1081.41 1082.83 Not just in in the row when you see 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1084.08 1085.68 all the same uh remote controls. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1085.72 1086.79 Yeah. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1086.79 1090.25 Does it have to be Uh it has to be uh with different colours or 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1086.82 1087.51 Um 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1090.85 1091.38 I dunno. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1091.38 1093.32 Different colours um 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1095.28 1097.45 You can choose blue or yellow or 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1093.1 1095.28 Maybe we can give it out in different colours. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1096 1097.78 It's like a iMac or something. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1097.78 1098.88 Just to make it 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1097.99 1098.5 Mm-hmm. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1099.97 1100.66 Or Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1098.6 1098.94 Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1098.94 1099.97 Well why not? 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1101.29 1102.76 That's uh fashion. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1100.21 1101.29 That's fa That's fancy. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1104.43 1105.58 It's only twenty five Euros. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1105.58 1107 It looks very cheap if you make it 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1102.23 1104.43 But it looks cheap as well, because it's a small thing. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1110.95 1111.17 Oh. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1107.4 1110.95 Well, maybe you can look at uh mobile phones. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1110.15 1111.64 Oh, you just I dunno what happened. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1112.9 1113.2 Who? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1117.33 1119.06 Yeah, we have to look at mobile phones, that's right. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1119.06 1119.3 Just 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1118.75 1121.4 They they're uh designed very well. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1125.8 1130.55 You think you can't make a T. V. controller too small, 'cause then you will always lo always lose it. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1121.4 1125.8 And well basically are the same, just a bit smaller. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1121.54 1121.77 Yeah. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1130.84 1131.02 Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1132.01 1134.39 But uh well, I think that's a good example. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1135.08 1135.95 Okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1138.43 1139.4 Is it fin Are you finished? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1139.4 1139.68 Okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1135.49 1138.43 Okay, we hurry up a bit, because otherwise we won't make it. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1140.89 1142.43 I think we discussed everything. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1138.43 1140.89 Well uh Yeah, I I'm finished. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1137.16 1138.43 Okay, sorry. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1153.19 1153.83 Okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1155.48 1157.19 Well, the working design. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1158.82 1161.6 The method I used is uh search the web. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1161.6 1163.51 Just the web page provided. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1165.01 1166.06 Um 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1174.21 1184.16 Um basically what happens is you press a button, uh then a circuit gets closed by pressing the button, uh like a switch. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1167.41 1174.21 Basically I'm I'm not very technical uh uh educated, but uh I could figure it out. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1190.55 1198.16 So like you press a one, that circuit is closed and uh Then the chip produces a pattern. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1184.66 1190.55 And by closing that certain circuit, the chip knows uh what bu button is pressed. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1206.95 1212.52 That's the uh light emitting diode, I think. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1218.22 1220.4 That's un uh invisible 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1199.73 1206.95 Like a Morse code to uh And and sends that to the uh L. E. D. . 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1212.52 1218.22 Um and the light emitting diode is uh producing infrared light. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1221.59 1223.25 to the human eye. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1223.25 1226.26 And uh transmit that uh to the T. V. . 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1242.59 1246.51 So that's er uh do two different things but 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1240.41 1242.59 Because infrared is not visible. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1228.28 1236.79 However it has also an uh a visible uh diode that's uh blinking red if you look in it. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1236.79 1240.41 And that's uh another diode, I believe. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1236.36 1236.91 Mm-hmm. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1245.63 1249.54 So we we also have to have a LED li LED light on it? 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1247.92 1248.58 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1248.58 1250.09 I I think so. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1250.09 1252 I I'm not sure if it's the same thing. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1250.05 1254.51 Uh j Is Ain't it just to to indicate that it's transmitting? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1251.33 1252.67 Yeah, it's I think it's usable. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1253.65 1254.58 Yeah, that's active. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1254.96 1256.17 Yeah. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1256.17 1260.09 Or just a green one, because it's If you use it, it's green or the red, it's r green. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1255.16 1255.48 Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1256.15 1257.04 So 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1260.83 1261.76 Maybe uh 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1260.4 1260.83 Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1263.3 1264.27 It's not uh 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1261.34 1263.3 I I think it's in the case that it's active. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1265.19 1265.76 So 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1264.28 1265.19 Yeah, when you press it. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1264.54 1264.98 Yeah, that's right. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1264.98 1265.64 But if you 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1265.23 1267.73 I it's it's just uh the the 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1267.41 1267.66 Two? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1267.73 1271.96 Red's l shows up like something's wrong, and green is like it's okay, you press the button. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1271.61 1272.1 Mm. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1274.56 1278.57 Ma on on most on most uh uh remote controls it's red. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1278.57 1279.13 So 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1272.92 1274.56 Yeah, I dunno. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1274.31 1275.88 Maybe depends on uh 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1279.31 1280.19 Okay, we make it red. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1278.51 1279.31 Yeah, I know. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1278.68 1278.98 Yes. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1278.72 1279.2 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1279.99 1280.63 So I know. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1282.21 1284.22 Maybe integrate it in the design as well. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1280.1 1282.21 But maybe Well we don't have to make it red. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1285.11 1290.74 You have to The whole the whole uh remote control becomes uh green if you press the buttons. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1290.74 1291.33 Uh that's cool. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1300.35 1301.14 Uh maybe. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1290.7 1300.35 I I think uh the batteries will be uh a little Yeah, okay. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1291.49 1295.05 Uh Oh, maybe it's it is would an e No. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1295.05 1295.81 Just uh 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1291.5 1299.05 Empty. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1297.08 1299.36 No, we have a recharger in it, so 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1298.71 1299.2 Oh. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1300.83 1303.07 If we can still make that then 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1304.5 1306.15 It's just to indicate something's on. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1302.6 1304.5 Yeah, but it doesn't have to be red. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1305.77 1306.11 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1306.74 1307.09 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1307.09 1307.81 That it's working. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1307.81 1309.58 That it's not not the batteries are low. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1308.84 1312.04 It's it's not very important, so yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1308.11 1308.84 Yeah. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1308.55 1310.22 But it's cool if it was green. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1310.22 1312.47 Green or red or whatever, it is cool. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1312.45 1313.67 Just to indicate it's working. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1311.39 1312.45 Yeah, I know. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1313.6 1314.36 So mm 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1315.01 1317.72 And uh the receptor in the T. V. senses the pattern. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1327.1 1332.89 We have to really understand what patterns are used, so we can uh o On the Otherwise it won't work. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1317.72 1323.9 So we have to understand what patterns are used to, you know, to make it universal. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1323.9 1327.1 So that it can be used with all the T. V. s. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1334.05 1339.65 So we have to uh make buttons for that as well, to make it uh 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1338.67 1339.05 No. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1343.71 1350.36 So we have to make a chip that produces patterns to, y you know, to Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1350.36 1351.16 That are working. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1339.05 1343.71 I I uh The chip um uh is producing the pattern. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1347.9 1348.41 Okay. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1349.68 1354.21 An automatically search function for each television, or something. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1356.42 1357.84 It wasn't explained there. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1353.4 1356.42 Yeah, or I dunno how it's uh exactly how it works. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1367.21 1371.69 And you have to put in a number, so it works on your T. V. . 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1357.78 1367.21 Well, I I use a universal uh remote control, and list of all the T. V. s you have, etcetera. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1358.12 1358.67 Uh I kno 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1369.94 1370.37 Yeah? 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1372.12 1372.64 Okay. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1374.38 1380.57 And the modern one you you uh you type uh search, and the LED began to blink blink blink. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1387.28 1389.19 And you can stop it, and then it's okay. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1372.64 1374.38 Oh, I have a modern one. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1380.57 1385.69 And uh uh uh after uh a short time the television turns off. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1385.69 1387.28 And then you know, oh it it's the right one. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1388.99 1389.59 Ah okay. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1389.38 1392.8 So you don't have to search for your television or your code. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1392.8 1395.95 It uh search uh the pattern for itself. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1392.39 1393.07 Okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1397.62 1402.13 So it uh We have to make a a s a bit more intelligent chip than the standard one. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1402.13 1404.32 Because you have to Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1396.16 1397.62 Okay, yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1396.19 1397.59 Okay, so we use that. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1402.11 1402.66 Yes. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1402.77 1402.96 Yep. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1404.57 1409.26 I just say Can you s just say it again, because I was just looking There's just a short 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1415.63 1421.88 But uh ma basically for uh brands of T. V. these patterns are different. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1411.4 1415.63 That's uh when the circuit is closed, it produces the pattern. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1409.41 1411.4 Well uh y you have this chip. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1408.28 1409.41 Uh okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1411.37 1411.61 Yeah. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1413.75 1413.98 Mm-hmm. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1422.29 1425.96 So like when you press a one on one T. V. it go go to one. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1425.96 1428.48 And on the other T. V. it won't work, basically. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1444.01 1445.55 And um 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1434.97 1444.01 And uh by d uh that can be done by uh just uh cha yeah, changing this pattern all the time. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1428.9 1434.97 So uh basically what you have to do is uh get these patterns right. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1434.25 1434.5 Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1440.54 1441.7 Changing the signal. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1453.69 1463.96 And when it's uh switched off, you can push a button as uh it's working now, so And then he saves that setting and then um it's working. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1446.57 1453.69 What he's doing when he's configuring this pattern, this chip, uh is trying to switch off the television. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1461.43 1461.97 Okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1461.97 1462.15 Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1464.22 1466.4 Yeah, that's the right uh option. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1465.36 1465.86 Okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1470.66 1475.34 Yeah, that's a bit technical, and I hadn't I w I was a little short on time. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1467.69 1470.66 Well uh the components. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1485.16 1488.94 Um that's connecting to all the components. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1479.9 1485.16 Um the energy source is uh the battery, basically. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1476.51 1479.9 Um but I think I understand it. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1484.36 1484.77 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1494.7 1497.35 Uh the subcomponent is uh w 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1490.18 1494.25 Because it has to be fed with energy. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1494.25 1494.7 Okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1501.84 1505.5 So basically when you press a button, a switch get closed. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1498.57 1501.84 I I think it is uh the button pressed. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1506.64 1509.35 Um that's connecting to a chip. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1509.35 1511.81 So the chip knows what button you pressed. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1518.26 1520.67 I didn didn't put the description by this one. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1522.01 1524.81 So the normal flashing light. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1520.67 1522.01 Th this is a normal bulb. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1513.28 1518.26 And the chip sends out uh the pattern to the infrared bulb. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1525.23 1527.55 So that's the LED, L. E. D. . 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1524.7 1525.23 Okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1528.11 1531.79 But this one is producing infrared light that's invisible. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1526.81 1528.11 Yeah, and this is a LED too. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1526.22 1526.81 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1531.79 1533.97 And this one is producing normal light. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1530.75 1531.36 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1533.86 1536.69 So we can make the normal one also a normal light. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1536.69 1538.12 Not a LED light, but as a normal one. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1539.44 1540.45 Yeah 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1539.88 1541.26 To flash up your 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1541.47 1544.88 Uh if you if you use the buttons, uh both of them works. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1544.88 1547.89 But one you can't see and one indicates that you use a button. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1548.07 1548.32 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1558.15 1560.03 So you have to indicate that it's 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1550.69 1558.15 Because uh when you button press a button and it doesn't work, it can Basically if the battery is low, it won't work. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1548.47 1550.69 Yeah, presu Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1556.97 1558 Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1558 1558.58 Yeah, and 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1564.04 1566.16 So you see green if you push that button. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1559.98 1564.04 Maybe you have to uh put uh a small light around the button you push. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1566.92 1568.91 Huh, that's a good idea. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1567.11 1570.43 Mm I think it's unnecessary power uh you use then. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1570.3 1574.63 Yeah, but if you u if you do that, you know that you're uh sending a signal. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1574.63 1576.52 And it's you also know which button you p 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1570.89 1571.9 No, y Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1575.25 1579.19 But then have to be on the in the all uh remote control have to be LEDs. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1573.58 1575.25 Okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1579.41 1580.31 Yeah, that's right. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1580.31 1580.92 But it 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1580.37 1581.37 Everywhere in the r 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1581.62 1585.65 But does it make any difference for the energy you use? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1585.65 1586.65 You got still one LED. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1585.79 1592.82 No I don't think so, but Yeah, i it it will look different, and I think we need to find something else. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1592.82 1593.09 Yeah. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1591.91 1593.02 That looks different, yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1593.54 1593.76 Hmm. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1594.11 1598.79 'Cause otherwise we will just make another standard, and our uh motto also is 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1598.74 1600.58 Is LEDs uh beneath the the buttons? 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1600.84 1604.51 Yeah, w around the buttons, or in the buttons even. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1605.63 1606.43 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1607.3 1611.29 Yeah, but mm like when you push it n n Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1615.87 1620.33 Or or m maybe on top of the A green light is flashing or 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1611.29 1613.02 You have your finger over the button. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1613.02 1615.87 So you can see Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1608.6 1611.36 Yeah, then then won't Then you won't see it. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1613.98 1615.39 It must be around it then. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1619.78 1623.95 Not not not not here, but here. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1619.05 1619.78 Yeah, then Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1623.71 1624.04 There. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1624.04 1624.29 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1623.34 1623.71 Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1626.43 1627.29 Maybe uh 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1631.07 1631.9 If you push 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1627.47 1631.07 The same as a telephone, or a mobile phone, or what do you mean? 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1629.61 1630.74 Yeah, we're thinking about it. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1630.74 1632.83 Uh on a mobile phone, in the dark uh 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1633.34 1634.11 Everything lights up. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1632.75 1633.34 It lights up. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1634.11 1635 That's a good idea. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1634.99 1636.88 Why ain't that on a remote control? 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1634.07 1634.99 everything lights up. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1634.94 1635.41 Yeah. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1636.12 1639.57 It it only takes a l a little energy and it's not that much. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1638.37 1640.99 Yeah, if uh a mobile phone a phone can do it, it's 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1639.21 1639.82 Okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1641.28 1641.6 Yeah. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1641.96 1643.69 Maybe that's a good idea for old people as well. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1641.38 1641.96 It's f Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1643.97 1646.62 Yeah, i if you're in the dark, you can't see the remote. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1644.34 1644.62 Mm-hmm. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1647.06 1648.06 It's only few LEDs. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1649.75 1650.23 Four LED. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1648.06 1649.75 Only four or something. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1647.23 1647.43 Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1650.88 1651.5 No, I dunno. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1651.5 1655.94 But if we use a battery station, which I think we will use 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1656.02 1657.25 Yeah, I uh 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1656.79 1658.34 Yeah, that's a good idea, okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1657.8 1658.13 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1658.13 1660.05 We'll have enough power to 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1659.9 1662.83 Everything agre Everyone agrees with that, or Okay. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1662.09 1662.41 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1662.15 1662.45 Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1662.71 1662.87 Yep. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1664.01 1671.72 Maybe what Paul said, uh under the on the on the home station, uh a button to uh to call your uh remote control, that it beeps. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1665.89 1666.56 Yeah, and then you 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1671 1671.91 Okay, yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1672.39 1673.37 And also it's 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1672.68 1674.95 But you have to make a sound device in it then. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1674.86 1676.17 Yeah, there must be sound in it. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1676.69 1676.96 Hmm. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1676.85 1677.41 But Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1677.89 1679.44 Okay, it shouldn't take much 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1678 1678.56 I dunno. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1679.26 1682.22 B maybe it's that that's a little too hard to make. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1679.05 1679.26 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1685.21 1687.69 Because it's i it has to be Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1687.69 1690.03 Production cost is uh t uh twelve and a half. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1683.62 1685.21 Especially for that kind of money. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1688.44 1688.6 Bec 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1685.44 1688.44 Mm uh, twenty five Euros, I think we can make it. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1687.32 1687.79 Uh I th 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1690.79 1696.19 But but we only have to make it for television, and um we must have something special. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1696.19 1696.9 So 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1689.93 1690.79 Twelve and a half, okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1693.49 1694 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1694.02 1700.91 I think uh you also have uh remote controls with a lot of options. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1700.91 1704.85 But we lose about ninety percent of those options. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1704.85 1707.14 So I think you can uh 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1705.1 1705.56 Uh. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1706.94 1709.22 We have to give our customers some extras. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1709.46 1710.45 Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1710.45 1711.88 I think we will save money with that. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1710.21 1710.84 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1713.03 1715.25 Are you almost finished or just 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1712.76 1713.03 Okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1719.78 1721.04 But um 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1714.77 1717.87 Yeah, the the personal preference, I didn't fill it out. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1717.87 1719.78 Because I was short on time. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1719.2 1719.96 No worry. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1717.93 1718.69 Okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1718.69 1719.2 Okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1722.33 1727.12 Basically what we could do too is uh have a Bluetooth uh integration. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1727.72 1729.47 Yeah, I just want to talk some about some more. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1729.47 1730.95 So maybe you have to Yeah? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1730.95 1731.21 Okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1730.19 1730.65 Yeah? 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1730.65 1730.94 Okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1742.85 1745.7 So this Oh, sorry. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1745.7 1746.66 Wh what's that? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1756.85 1757.85 We have to have a look what they are. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1757.85 1761.45 They're still in um 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1752.42 1755.09 So uh Oh, sorry. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1755.09 1756.85 We have some new uh project requirements. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1763.47 1767.38 Uh teletext has become outdated since the popularity of internet. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1771.56 1772.19 I'm not sure. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1767.38 1771.56 So a teletext option, maybe we have to skip that one. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1772.19 1773.24 I don't think so, but 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1772.33 1776.72 No, and I I think a lot of people use uh teletext, still use. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1772.53 1773.17 No. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1774.59 1777.04 Yeah, and it's it's on your comp it's on your television. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1777.91 1781.03 So I don't think it is We definitely should use it. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1777.04 1777.91 It's only one button. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1781.03 1782.06 Um 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1778.2 1778.47 Uh. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1778.42 1779.01 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1779.06 1779.41 Hmm. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1784.29 1786.39 The remote control should only be used for a television. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1786.39 1787.59 So that's maybe easier. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1783.17 1784.29 Yeah, that's uh what I told you. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1789 1792.97 And um the the forty plus people, I already told you. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1797.51 1798.53 Oh, this is a problem. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1798.53 1800.8 Oh sorry about that. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1796.83 1797.51 Oh no, sorry. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1805.21 1809.13 So it should be flashy or just more interesting. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1800.8 1805.21 The new product should reach a new market with customers are the younger than forty. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1809.13 1809.75 I'm sorry about that. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1809.75 1811.55 I just I just didn't read it well. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1807.16 1807.88 Okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1807.24 1808.4 Oh. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1808.4 1808.68 Mm. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1808.28 1809.98 Okay, that's It changes things. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1812.88 1816.35 So does it make some decision about that? 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1814.82 1815.38 Changes. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1815.94 1817.52 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1817.52 1820.1 That kinda changes the whole situation. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1816.97 1817.77 Um 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1818.42 1818.99 Uh 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1830.62 1831.4 More modern. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1823.48 1830.62 I think uh the thing in the dark is a good way, to make it more like a mobile phone. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1821.04 1823.48 Well yeah, then we have to make some nice features. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1828.49 1829.46 That still stays. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1830.5 1830.93 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1831.71 1832.02 Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1832.94 1834.97 That's important I think and 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1834.67 1837.76 L. C. D. doesn't work for uh twelve and a half Euros I think. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1838.09 1844.07 And I d I don't don't think it's very usable in a remote control, especially when you only have T. V. functions on it. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1843.79 1844.25 Oh. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1845.63 1845.89 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1845.72 1853.1 Mm ah I I don't y you'll use it often, because you can see on the television wh what channel you 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1845.97 1846.82 So 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1854.7 1856.09 Okay. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1851.81 1854.7 Oh, I'm watching uh the channel one. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1856.09 1857.01 No, it's not 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1859.47 1861.26 So, but uh Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1855.26 1859.47 Yeah, I tho I think that's not usable. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1861.26 1863.65 What other features can we put in? 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1858.29 1858.73 No. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1864.23 1865.62 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1871.44 1880.47 And uh then the usability is not that required, because the Like in the mobile phones, usability is not that good I think. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1865.62 1871.44 I think you you have to make it a bit flashy and and popular. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1888.55 1890.8 Is that reachable maybe? 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1893.38 1895.34 Twelve and you've got twelve. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1885.94 1888.55 About you said one and the television turns on one. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1890.8 1892.1 That's very That's fancy. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1879.53 1885.94 But uh some of you had uh something to read about um uh speech uh recognition. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1892.1 1893.38 That's cool. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1891.14 1891.95 I didn't read 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1892.82 1894.33 It's very fashion. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1895.31 1895.9 Yeah okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1893.32 1895.31 I didn't read any b Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1896.8 1897.59 Mm. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1899.36 1902.49 But only the numbers, one to twenty or something. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1902.49 1903.27 That should be cool. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1898.42 1899.36 Uh furthermore nothing. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1896.84 1898.42 Only the numbers, only numbers. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1897.06 1897.63 I I know. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1902.33 1902.52 Mm. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1903.44 1905.19 Yeah, maybe we have to integrate that as well. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1907.69 1908.12 But 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1906.37 1907.69 If it's possible. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1907.39 1908.64 If it's possible, I dunno. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1908.64 1909.73 I didn't read it. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1908.29 1909.11 Yeah, I don't know. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1912.14 1913.26 You only have a microphone in it. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1908.97 1911.04 I don't think it's very expensive actually. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1911.04 1912.14 Why should it? 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1909.61 1909.69 Mm. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1911.55 1915.58 Uh if i if i I didn't have information about that. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1911.59 1913.15 Yeah, I think it's 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1913.63 1914.46 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1914.46 1915.69 But it has to work. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1915.69 1920.23 And and and does it have to work only in English, or in Dutch too or 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1919.54 1920.27 Nah, maybe 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1920.33 1921.83 Ah that's a problem, but 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1922.21 1925.17 And and uh w Yeah? 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1924.12 1925.07 Only in English I think. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1923.13 1924.12 Uh only in English. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1926.29 1931.8 Uh does your uh Does it lie in the centre of the room and can you scream from wherever 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1924.1 1926.29 What But uh I dunno how that works then. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1927.66 1930.34 Yeah, it's probably my job to figure that out, but 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1933.02 1933.79 No, that 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1933.04 1935.19 uh one to have in channel one? 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1937.81 1939.89 It's more if we if we do it. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1936.35 1937.81 But do do we do it? 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1934.66 1936.35 Yeah, then th we have to think about that. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1938.11 1938.94 Yeah, I dunno. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1938.94 1941.02 So, is it very usable? 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1941.02 1942.18 That's what I'm looking at. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1942.62 1946.05 And and do you have to speak in in like in a thing or 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1944.85 1945.21 Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1946.53 1947.4 Is 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1949.02 1951.85 It We have short time to to put it on the market, so that 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1946.81 1949.02 Maybe maybe it's too hard to uh to realise that. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1949.4 1950.13 Yeah, I dunno. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1952.44 1952.72 Okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1952.85 1955.11 We have to do a lot of testing before we can do that. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1952.85 1953.83 Mm Yeah well 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1955.78 1956.99 Yeah, I think so. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1956.95 1960.15 We make uh make uh, we can make th th the new remote control very flashy. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1956.97 1957.99 Yeah, and uh and uh 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1958.08 1958.45 It's 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1962.64 1965.53 Uh because we we have a lot of languages. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1960.03 1962.64 In uh indeed uh the languages are a difficult thing. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1963.25 1964.44 I d Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1964.44 1972.02 I don't think it's uh useful enough to take the effort to design something with uh speech recognition. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1963.34 1963.49 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1964.92 1965.7 And and 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1972.48 1979.28 Yeah, and also if if you have a good speech uh speech recognition, you can just throw the uh 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1972.55 1972.93 Yeah. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1972.93 1973.64 I think so. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1977.52 1977.93 Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1984.33 1985.83 Yeah, it's not uh 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1979.2 1984.33 A uh someone says that uh give me one Coke, and the T. V. turns uh to one. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1980.55 1981.53 the remote away. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1984.17 1985.1 Mm. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1985.1 1985.56 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1982.52 1983.27 Mm. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1983.27 1984.17 Hmm. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1990.89 1992.68 Not just one, but 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1986.6 1990.89 And then you have to say uh T. V. channel one, or something. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1985.28 1986.6 Well yeah, that's the right command. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1984.86 1985.28 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1986.61 1987.11 But 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1990.58 1991.38 Hmm yeah, 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1992.4 1993.44 T. V. one. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1992.4 1997.61 Okay, but th that becomes your f Uh uh because that's very hard for uh speech recognition. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1998.45 1999.05 Well I dunno. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1999.05 2002.17 But I don't think, it just ain't useful enough. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1998.61 1999.16 Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2002.7 2003.04 Mm-hmm. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2009.65 2014.13 Do we, do we make uh a light under the under the n under the numbers and everything? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2014.13 2020.42 Do If you press something, it lights up for a few seconds, so you can see what other but buttons there are, okay? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2003.11 2004.52 So we have to make some decisions. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2004.52 2009.65 So you can see on the uh So we have to know what we're going to put on. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2004.81 2006.25 Okay, no speech recognition. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2014.13 2015.07 Yeah, I think so. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2020.61 2021.22 Yeah, that's good. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2021.41 2021.6 Yep. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2021.55 2023.67 Okay, we just take that one. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2023.67 2025.09 And what else, we have 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2024.76 2026.14 Also the one in the dark. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2026.14 2027 So uh 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2029.76 2030.29 I didn't 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2028.11 2029.76 It lights up when it's dark? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2029.61 2032.45 Yeah, but it's Oh th I thought would, that that would be the same. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2032.45 2034.61 If you push something, it it all lights up. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2032.69 2033.16 Okay. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2033.75 2036.44 Yeah yeah, it it mustn't work all the time. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2038.96 2046.36 So if you No, if you use one button, it must turn uh on for twenty seconds, and then it must turn off. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2033.13 2033.75 Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2036.44 2038.96 It uh uh it have to work only when you use it. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2033.91 2035.2 Yeah, but um 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2036.4 2037.41 Yes, that's what I mean. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2039.26 2040.77 Or you can switch it on or something. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2041.08 2042.33 Or maybe when you yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2043.5 2044.36 It lights up all. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2047.04 2048.46 It's the same as the telephone. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2045.27 2046.52 You have to Yeah, that's right. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2046.52 2047.04 That's what I said. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2044.56 2045.27 Yeah, that's right. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2048.46 2048.88 Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2048.83 2048.94 Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2047.32 2048.83 D Yeah, alright. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2046.82 2047.32 Okay yeah. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2058.59 2061.59 Or just a normal remote control. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2055.23 2058.59 Like a iMac, if you can look through it. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2051.25 2055.23 And do we use a a Uh what's it called? 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2060.52 2064.44 Maybe just as an option, w like we discussed, like iPod. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2064.44 2067.08 Different colours, uh maybe use even different fonts. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2060.55 2062.66 Mm, maybe it's a good idea. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2067.71 2067.92 Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2067.73 2068.42 Oh yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2068.19 2069.1 Like uh phones. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2070.25 2073.09 Okay, so y you just make it th through You look through it? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2069.54 2070.25 Different colours. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2073.09 2073.35 Okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2070.54 2071.1 Hmm. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2072.05 2073.3 Mm, that's cool. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2070.86 2072.05 A see-through. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2072.54 2073.08 Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2073.08 2074.57 Uh as an option maybe. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2075.39 2078.85 And so the buttons we have, this is, yeah, this is normal. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2078.85 2084.73 We put in the the simple buttons on the top, and probably the the the more complicated buttons down there. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2079.44 2080.2 It's the standard 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2081.64 2083.18 Yeah, uh 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2083.48 2085.58 But you have You had a lot of different buttons. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2083.88 2087.87 Yeah, we but we don't We don't really have any complicated buttons. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2086.05 2086.39 Hmm. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2086.91 2091 Yeah, maybe you have you have to Uh when you use teletec teletext,
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2091 2097.02 you can press a green or a red button to go to the next one, or to go to the previous one. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2093.82 2094.74 Yeah okay, but 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2095.82 2098.98 Yeah, well w I think the buttons are very easy. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2098.98 2102.88 With just uh standard buttons we just have so little 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2101.69 2107.82 O but maybe you can put um the g the options of teletext on the second level of the remote control. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2107.82 2109.38 Because you ne almost never use it. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2107.5 2112.84 No, I don't need don't need Uh teletext options are only four buttons or something. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2122.79 2123.34 So uh 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2113.67 2122.79 Yeah, but younger people I think um more often use the internet and elderly people often use teletext. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2122.71 2123.51 Yeah, that's right. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2122.9 2124.03 I use teletext as well. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2123.04 2125.62 No, I use te teletext every day, I think. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2126.28 2126.73 Okay. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2125.71 2126.28 Hmm. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2130.62 2130.84 Okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2128.57 2130.62 So we just keep it one level then? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2126.92 2128.57 For me too, it is. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2126.44 2126.92 Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2137.03 2139.84 You can d uh integrate the buttons in the design very much. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2130.21 2131.13 Yeah yeah, one level. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2131.13 2137.03 And I think, uh 'cause um we don't have that many buttons, I think the design is most important. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2130.85 2130.98 Mm. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2136.98 2137.21 Yeah. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2140.78 2140.92 Yeah. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2140.9 2142.16 'Cause simple buttons. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2142.16 2144.04 If you put one above it, it's clear. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2142.46 2142.78 Okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2144.36 2144.63 Okay. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2146.77 2153.87 So that's it for toda for We're going to have a lunch lunch break. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2153.87 2154.65 Um 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2156.67 2157.69 How long is lunch break? 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2159.86 2161.13 So yeah, you know what you have to do. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2161.13 2162.34 This is uh this is it. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2163.58 2165.55 You get your meal and everything, so 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2166.4 2167.76 Okay. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2165.32 2166.4 Trendwatching. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2167.76 2168.3 That's fine. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2166.96 2167.34 Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2175.89 2176.23 Yo. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2182.06 2183.19 We're going to have some lunch. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2179.9 2182.06 So, we're finished for t for this time. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2183.37 2183.83 Okay. 
TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2193.37 2193.69 Bye. 
TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2203.1 2203.27 Yeah. 
TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2203.12 2205.42 Yeah. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2208.89 2209.05 Uh. 
TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2207.82 2208.89 Mm. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 46.06 46.57 Bonjour. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 46.07 48.52 It's It won't wake up. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 51.2 51.38 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 52.56 53.04 Like 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 51.38 52.56 I was a bit early. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 56.81 57.37 Why? 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 56.85 57.61 What? 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 58.66 60.76 Uh normally I was one of them. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 57.61 58.66 No, I just came in. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 61.38 61.79 Okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 63.89 64.53 Come on. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 64.31 66.06 Check check check check. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 64.7 66.58 Hello. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 66.58 67.04 Oop. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 66.45 67.64 Why won't it wake up? 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 78.2 78.7 Is it on? 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 87.57 90.3 The power light doesn't work. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 90.3 90.98 You turned it off. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 92.08 92.54 But how? 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 94.96 95.77 Ah, there it is. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 96.04 96.39 Okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 97.9 98.39 Okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 98.79 98.97 Uh. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 108.47 108.7 Yeah. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 99.44 105.46 I received an email with uh a few possibilities on uh the materials. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 105.46 108.47 So I'll discuss them with you. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 106.88 109.71 Okay, we're just going to the later. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 107.27 107.92 Okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 112.29 114.74 Yeah, I received an email as well. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 113.65 116.13 So we're going to talk about the conceptual model. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 115.39 115.98 Oh. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 130.85 131.34 Hmm. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 131.68 132.66 Which one was mine? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 135.94 137.22 Uh okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 133.43 135.94 So that's me. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 137.22 138.37 So Uh okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 141.21 150.02 Okay, so I just show you the m the no mm mm the the the the the the minutes, minute. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 150.02 151.61 What's it called, I dunno. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 151.61 152.54 Whatever. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 155.27 155.81 The minutes. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 170.38 174.52 Okay, so we just talked about uh Oh you want me to show that there or 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 175.01 175.83 Uh 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 175.42 176.63 No, just tell us. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 175.42 176.45 Mm no. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 180.49 186.88 People don't want to spend money on something that's similar to cheaper ones. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 186.88 187.96 Um 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 176.25 177.59 Okay, we just talked about it looks. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 177.59 178.55 Has to look nice. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 178.55 180.49 Usability is very important. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 189.25 191.77 It has to be very basic, not too many buttons. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 196.57 199.41 Uh text T. V. still has to be a possibility. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 193.44 196.57 Light switches on if you use a button. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 201.17 203.24 And it has to be easy to learn. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 204.42 209.31 That were the things I uh make minutes of. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 216.99 217.44 That right? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 209.31 215.51 And the functions are volume, channel to choose channels, an on-off, a mute uh button, and a text T. V. button. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 215.51 216.99 That are the functions. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 217.75 218.11 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 218.21 218.71 Yes. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 218.5 219.6 Okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 219.6 223.43 So I just want to give you uh Mike again, the first uh 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 224.56 225.94 presentation of your 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 226.23 226.98 Shall I start? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 227.27 227.67 Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 236.6 236.81 No. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 239.41 240.31 Okay well 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 241.55 243.04 I received an email 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 245 245.51 Okay. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 263.35 266.69 It has been done in Italy uh Italy and in 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 254.42 263.35 I searched the web, uh and uh I searched uh on this d document, recent investigation of the remote control market. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 280.41 283.45 So it's very important for us to create something new. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 283.45 289.88 So what Michael just said, it must be uh some very different from ordinary uh remote controls. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 268.2 271.86 uh another country in Europe, I forget it. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 271.86 280.41 Uh but uh they found out the most important aspect for remote controls happens to be a fancy look-and-feel, instead of the current functional look and feel. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 290.14 294.87 Fancy stands for an original look-and-feel of the case and interface. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 300.95 304.2 It uh is twice important as the following. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 298.81 300.95 Uh it came out of the research. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 304.2 310.43 The second uh most important aspect is that a remote control should it uh technological innovative. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 296.23 298.81 Uh this uh aspect is the most important one. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 314.99 326.14 And then uh that uh This is a point of discussion, because we just decided that we don't make use of uh L. C. D. or uh speech recognition. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 311.02 314.99 Uh that stands for uh uh new technical uh features. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 326.52 326.74 Hmm. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 326.64 338.23 But um this is the second uh important uh aspect, and I think uh we must use some of the new technology, to be uh innovative. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 338.27 340.8 But we already have the flashing flashing light on the 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 342.69 350.5 We have to discuss about it s uh Okay, uh features not uh do not exist in current remote controls. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 350.5 352.06 And that's very hard I think. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 340.43 342.69 Uh maybe maybe something new. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 341.48 342.54 Yeah, more. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 342.79 343.12 Hmm. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 343.98 346.59 Well, I'll I'll get back on it. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 344.41 344.77 Okay. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 362.4 366.08 Um I've got one picture. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 357.15 360.1 But uh that was an overall uh point. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 353.08 357.15 Uh the third one is the aspect of the remote control should be easy to use. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 360.1 362.4 We already discussed that. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 366.08 369.82 Uh d our our target group uh we thought about was young and trendy. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 370.09 370.4 Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 370.76 374.3 So I took uh that part of the webpage. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 374.3 383.53 And it says uh fashion-watchers of uh uh Pari uh France and uh Italy, yeah, uh have detected the following trends. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 384.36 390.76 This trends I th uh trend I think it's not um that meaningful for us, maybe. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 406.36 406.81 Spongy. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 394.42 402.83 But the uh the next uh aspect also in contrast to last year, the feel of material is expe uh uh is expected to be spongy. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 390.76 394.42 But it's about uh clothes and shoes. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 402.83 406.36 But spongy, what what does spongy says? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 394.77 394.94 Hmm. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 402.78 403.22 Spongy. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 405.38 406.07 Spongy. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 406.12 407.48 Spongy, like sponge. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 408.77 409.68 Okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 409.69 411.05 So rubber, kind of. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 410.86 412.54 Uh soft materials. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 412.13 412.41 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 419.14 421.07 So it has to be flexible. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 412.36 419.14 But maybe th that's al definitely a good idea, because you've you're you drop y your remote control very often on the ground. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 418.91 420.52 Yeah, but Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 421.27 423.19 Yeah, it's something that uh it stand there. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 425.91 428.5 So spongy means y Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 419.88 421.27 Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 423.19 425.91 But I didn't knew uh knew what it means. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 427.89 428.69 It's like a sponge. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 428.72 430.07 Soft, sponge. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 430.45 431.95 So it's also a stress-ball. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 432.68 433.89 That's a good That's a good idea. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 435.01 436.4 That's good, a good idea. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 433.89 435.01 If it's de like that. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 436.4 440.06 Is it a bit like like the the the the remote control? 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 432.98 434.61 Yeah, somewhat like 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 435.12 436.25 Yeah, but Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 436.25 437.35 How are you gonna make it? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 441.31 442.01 R. soft. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 442 443.07 Uh 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 442.48 448.35 Yeah, I've some uh material uh information, but I'll give you it later in my presentation. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 446.87 447.33 Okay. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 448.24 449.07 Okay? 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 450.26 451.97 What do I think? 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 451.97 458.89 Uh because a fancy look is the most important thing uh for remote control uh control, I think about changeable fronts. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 460.08 460.59 Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 460.11 463.86 Uh maybe a see-through one in a a fruit front. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 463.86 465.84 Because it's uh it's hot. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 465.84 468.93 And uh some basic uh colour fronts. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 484.32 491.05 Just uh something round in it, or uh maybe not uh not uh Yeah, I dun dunno. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 469.33 474.64 Uh so we can make uh five different fronts to start with or something. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 474.64 479.49 Uh maybe an extraordinary shape, like a sponge. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 479.49 484.32 Uh or uh, yeah, just another shape than a normal uh remote control ha uh has. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 491.05 492.31 We have to discuss about that. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 484.57 484.77 Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 492.87 494.16 Uh y yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 501.35 502.85 Maybe speech? 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 500.08 501.35 Yeah, how do we do that? 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 502.85 504.75 We ma must have some kind of gadget. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 494.16 500.08 Main point uh still uh is the technolo technological innovative. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 505.21 506.42 Yeah, I'll get back on that. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 507.88 508.48 So 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 507.89 508.31 Hmm. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 508.86 512.79 It's very uh difficult to to to do it. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 512.79 515.98 Because it's only twelve and a half Euros you have to spend on every remote control. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 512.08 512.61 Intro Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 514.78 515.92 Yeah, that's the problem. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 515.92 516.66 That's the main problem. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 515.03 518.14 Well, I got f also an email from 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 519.05 519.67 So 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 519.24 521.05 the the technology department. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 520.82 523.84 Maybe we watch the first uh the next two presentations. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 532.01 532.52 Well 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 528.25 532.01 So they recommended using it. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 522.01 528.25 They have done uh research about it, and uh even more possibilities now with speech. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 531.7 532.36 Okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 532.27 532.58 Hmm. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 532.27 533.13 Okay. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 533.13 537.92 Uh let's first watch Paul's presentation first then. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 533.57 535.07 I'll check what they exact mean. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 537.12 538.36 So uh 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 541.27 543.9 But maybe it's cheap and it's easy to implement. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 537.88 541.27 Yeah, well actually we have don't have an idea how much it's gonna cost. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 543.96 552.38 I d They don't say how much it will cost, so Um but uh if we implement uh speech recognition 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 542.66 543.96 Yeah, th that's the only problem. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 552.38 555.51 I think it would be better to implement L. C. D. as well. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 550.04 551.1 It's mass production. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 551.1 552.89 So you can say, you can 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 549.09 550.04 Oh. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 556.71 559.08 Since you have to uh configure speech thing. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 558.83 561.79 But that's definitely more expensive than 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 560.91 562.39 Yeah, that's that's something I dunno. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 563.3 564.13 Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 566.35 572.19 So we can start a mass production, and then the cost will still will be. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 564.13 566.35 But how uh we we're gonna make many of those. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 572.71 577.57 But a telephone also have a L. C. D. and and it's about t two hundred Euros. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 577.57 578.17 So uh 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 569.11 572.71 Yeah, but a telephone Okay, yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 574.79 576.33 Yeah, so uh we gotta de 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 578.21 579.22 We have to decide on that. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 578.58 579 Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 580.54 581.09 Okay. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 583.03 583.86 That was this? 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 585.25 586.22 Mm uh 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 586.13 588.43 Oh I got an email uh 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 589.88 596.32 And it says uh the chip can be uh simple, regular or advanced. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 596.32 596.89 And 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 598 598.59 Um 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 606.24 610.22 And this is more expensive than all the other chips. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 601.1 606.24 They say uh a display requires an advanced chip. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 610.22 612.45 So it's m the most expensive. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 611.29 613.05 L. D. C. doesn't require 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 615.4 617.38 The display requires an advanced chip. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 613.91 615.4 Yeah, it says in the email. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 618.54 619.78 And speech recognition? 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 617.67 618.54 Okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 622.28 626.08 I I haven't got anything about speech recognition, but 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 620.84 622.28 Yeah, probably too. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 621.99 622.77 Advanced. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 622.77 622.97 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 627.78 629.27 I'll I'll give you my design. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 632.52 634.98 If we're doing uh if we're doing a display. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 628.47 632.52 Well it d That's that's the most expensive chip, we need. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 634.24 636.91 So we Well we can 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 633.85 634.24 Yeah okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 648.09 648.84 I had uh 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 651.9 654.89 So I did some searching on the internet. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 650.29 651.9 to make a sort of a design. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 654.89 659.3 I watched the old remote controls and news com remote como uh remote controls. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 672.94 674.08 Y yes. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 665.62 670.95 I think we should go more to the iPod and M. P. three players. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 660.15 665.62 I think we should um This is one of the modern remote controls of the moment. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 672.41 672.94 More modern. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 670.95 672.41 Mobile phones. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 670.4 673.35 Yeah, just modern modern but still uh basic. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 674.34 678.79 Um you probably have to make it a bit bigger and a bit smaller. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 689.41 692.92 But looks uh I definitely think we should go like this. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 687.07 689.41 So that's that's the main difference. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 678.79 684.15 'Cause remote con control, you can see it here, you have to bo reach both out both sides. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 684.15 687.07 And here you just have one, few buttons. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 694.15 697.07 And then changeable fonts, so 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 697.67 697.95 Hmm. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 698.48 700.82 It's the most important part, I think. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 700.82 704.73 But And the home base is something like that, something simple. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 710.17 712.34 On-off, mute. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 706.23 709.2 Well and then I just ordered the the buttons a bit. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 714.79 715.73 Text buttons. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 709.2 710.17 Uh basic buttons. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 712.34 714.79 And th maybe two others, I dunno. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 714.77 716.6 Yeah, maybe the teletext tel 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 720.68 726.43 I don't find it very usable, but it's Uh I don't think it's fits in the the modern theme as well. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 717.69 720.68 And then the colour buttons, if we want it on. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 716.27 717.69 Yeah, text button, maybe there and there. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 722.33 725.12 No, I don't uh I don't like it. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 722.44 722.87 No. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 726.96 727.3 Hmm. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 738.37 739.1 And I think 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 727.23 732.24 So and then yeah we saw the the pla display, in the the iPod. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 732.24 735.61 They can put the basic buttons, one, two, three, four. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 735.61 738.37 And uh f above ten. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 738.39 740.02 But it That's on on the display. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 740.5 741.21 No no. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 744.79 746.48 And I think we should uh light this up 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 742.73 744.79 But it's on the place of the display. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 741.21 742.73 That th there is no display there. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 747.75 749.6 much more than that part. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 749.6 752.51 So the focus is on these two parts. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 749.79 750 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 753.2 753.35 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 753.64 756.37 So you don't see all the buttons you else need. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 757.46 763.04 Because um the volume and channel is on the on the the bottom of it. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 763.04 765.34 So you can't use your thumb for it. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 756.02 757.46 But it sounds very difficult to use. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 762.06 763.35 Uh well um 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 769.23 770.07 Um 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 767.35 769.23 This is how it is now. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 771.34 773.2 Here uh Well we have volume. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 774.56 776.57 I think it is on uh on the bottom too. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 774.82 775.57 Yeah, down there. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 776.82 778.49 But it's not not the best best. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 778.11 780.23 Well here we have also side scrolls. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 777.51 778.11 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 783 784 Do we want to use 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 781.49 783 I dunno if we can use that. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 781.7 783 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 783 785.07 Yeah, I've I've got something of that uh too. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 785.8 786.27 Yeah, why not. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 782.97 784.48 Yeah, for volume. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 784.48 785.8 For volume, or a channel. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 785.94 786.37 For volume? 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 786.37 789.01 Well then we can even simplify it more. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 787.03 787.6 Scroll. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 793.22 795.39 And and just channel buttons here. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 790.7 793.22 By just putting the volume on the side. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 793.34 794.34 And the channels as well. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 795.42 795.79 Oh yeah. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 800.32 806.72 And you can't use them now with your thumb, because the thing is not, it's not easy to control. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 796.6 800.32 Yeah, or uh maybe uh The channel buttons are often used. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 796.62 797.98 But I think uh 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 804.61 805.33 Well. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 805.33 806.53 Yeah, well it's 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 808.41 810.37 Basically it's it's here. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 811.54 818.23 Yeah okay, m maybe we cho should put that on top, and buttons we we don't use on, in the bottom. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 815.17 816 Yeah, that's better. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 816.68 817.32 They're on top? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 821.17 822.51 Put that on the button bottom. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 817.82 821.17 Yeah, just th th th other buttons like text T. V. . 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 825.7 828.36 You can't hold it th the control and push the buttons. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 823.99 825.7 Because uh you can't hold it. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 824.53 826.74 You mean uh these to the low? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 826.07 826.76 Mm-hmm. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 826.76 827.07 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 828.36 830.07 Except from the on-off button. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 831.69 832.27 Well, yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 831.04 831.69 Oh okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 832.88 841.61 But I I think w you'll use uh the switch channels buttons uh more often than the normal uh channel buttons, like one two three. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 842.81 844.33 So maybe we can put that on the bottom. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 843.33 844.48 Mm 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 845.89 847.48 I dunno, but yeah we'll 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 845.62 845.89 Maybe. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 849.78 853.1 Like zapping is just switching one channel at a time. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 856.05 857.66 So I think uh it should be 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 854.17 856.05 It's harder to zap. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 852.04 854.17 Yeah, maybe it's not easy if it's below. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 858.9 860.4 should be easy to. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 861.7 864.73 I think it's pretty standard, these rubber buttons on the top. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 865.22 865.81 Yeah okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 865.81 866.83 That's that's good, but 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 871.71 876.21 I think it's modern to light this area up, and to light this area up. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 865.97 871.71 And uh if you don't light 'em up, they don't uh you don't see 'em very good. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 876.21 879.36 So the focus gets on these parts and not on there. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 879.96 880.43 Yeah okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 884.25 887.29 It's s We have to look uh what's easy to use, and how it's easier to use. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 882.08 884.25 But uh the position of course can be different. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 887.5 887.78 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 888.52 896.45 So we can uh switch these to I dunno if it l will look good, if you put those on t on the bottom half. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 890.91 891.16 Hmm. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 900.21 901.34 They sh Those should be on top. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 901.34 903.43 But uh we we can switch those two, yeah. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 896.69 900.21 No, I think th the the top buttons are okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 901.29 904.17 Yeah, maybe Those two, yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 900.14 901.29 Okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 904.17 910.53 And uh, yeah, you have to make sure it's easy to uh Yes, it has to be big enough so you can hold it, right. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 909.95 910.48 Okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 928.49 933.99 I think that, if we're gonna put in more technology, that you need to be able to uh switch it open. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 912.05 913.37 Well that's that's my findings. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 916.57 918.32 M. P. three player. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 918.32 928.49 And uh well um if we want to put in speech rec recognition or something, we I don't think we should put it on top then. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 913.37 916.57 So uh my personal opinion is that we should go more modern look. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 935.48 936.02 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 935.52 936.13 To use 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 935.65 935.96 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 935.96 936.54 Yeah, that's cool. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 942.55 945.12 Which won't look good on the front side I think. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 937.13 942.55 So if you put in uh speech recognition, you need so more uh many more buttons. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 945.55 945.92 Okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 946.1 946.36 No. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 948.21 950.05 So that's something we have to decide on. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 950.43 951.68 Yeah, we have to keep it simple. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 952.4 952.62 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 952.58 957.94 We have to decide this this lecture, or this this this uh fifty minutes, yeah, how it is gonna look. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 955.76 956.88 What we're gonna do. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 956.88 957.27 Okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 977.5 979.2 Okay, the component design. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 982.5 986.7 I looked at uh some similar devices, and uh my own common knowledge. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 992.34 1001.64 If you aim at a young public, you should use materials that are soft with primary colours like green, blue, red. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 989.44 992.34 So uh this was on the web site. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1001.64 1002.07 So 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1009.69 1011.53 Not Nothing square-like. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1005.19 1009.69 Uh shapes should be curved, so round shapes. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1003.59 1005.19 flashy kinda colours. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1011.63 1014.19 Okay, so Hmm, okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1017.35 1020.3 And it is well curved square. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1014.49 1017.35 Yeah well uh iPod is trendy. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1017.31 1017.86 Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1019.95 1020.37 Like. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1019.4 1019.95 Square. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1023.68 1028.16 So we shouldn't have too square corners and that kind of thing. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1020.77 1023.68 Yeah, but mm is uh has round corners I think. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1022.86 1023.38 Okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1023.38 1025.55 So not 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1027.6 1030.33 Not uh the old uh box look. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1027.13 1027.6 Yeah okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1029.18 1029.45 Yeah. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1031.1 1035.29 And um sports and gaming device style characteristics. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1036.4 1043.02 I don't know exactly what that means, but it should be, well yeah, popular kind of 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1044.2 1044.68 Mm. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1044.52 1045.46 looking, I think. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1051.22 1052.27 So the colours also. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1044.61 1051.22 Yeah, we have to put our Real Reaction logo as well on the on the remote control. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1052.27 1055.17 So we have ha to ma make it in black, black, yellow. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1049.16 1049.54 Okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1050.99 1052.49 Mm Yeah, it's 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1055.8 1056.22 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1056.26 1057.29 Black yellow control. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1058.02 1060.88 Maybe the sides in yellow and the the the top in black. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1058.44 1059.05 Yeah, mm n 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1060.33 1068.07 Not that weird, because we definitely want to make it kind of flashy, to attract a young public. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1068.25 1073.16 Yeah, but uh I don't think the the colours black and yellow go well together. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1073.16 1073.35 But 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1074.08 1074.78 No, okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1074.78 1075.79 That's a that's a sen 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1074.15 1077.79 We make i Maybe you can put yellow on the side and black on the on the front. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1078.48 1080.15 That's just a matter of tastes, but 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1080.42 1080.97 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1081.09 1083.8 We have to use uh kind of flashy colours, I think. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1090.66 1091.94 Can we do that? 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1083.33 1090.66 Uh can't we use um different uh fron uh fronts, with all with the the logo on it? 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1091.94 1092.36 So 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1090.49 1090.93 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1092.46 1093.54 And still trans 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1091.38 1092.46 Yep. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1090.56 1091.38 Yeah, it's cool. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1091.9 1095.11 Like fronts in in red and yellow and blue and 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1095.16 1095.75 So 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1093.86 1095.16 Yes. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1094.78 1095.08 Oh yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1095.17 1096.54 Still still transparent. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1096.96 1097.42 Okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1097.16 1097.54 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1097.54 1099.57 But with all with logo on it. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1099.56 1099.99 Okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1101.03 1103.33 Well this is a remote control, a very old one. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1113.96 1115.46 But we are making it uh 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1105.57 1109.98 Um Then the components. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1109.98 1113.96 The case has just a Here's black. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1114.29 1117.02 Yeah, we make it som Maybe we have to make it from soft material. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1117.02 1118.06 Uh I'm not sure. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1118 1118.97 Yeah, I dunno. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1118.88 1119.99 Yeah. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1120.93 1121.4 Maybe. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1125.42 1127.22 We decided that, huh? 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1127.22 1127.39 S 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1123.67 1125.42 But anyways uh it should be transparent. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1134.28 1136.03 So you can just replace them I think. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1127.14 1128.86 Well one of the options. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1128.86 1134.28 You can Just like a mobile phone, you can make um different fronts on it. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1132.9 1133.53 Okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1136.79 1137.79 Yeah, we could do that. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1137.24 1139.73 That was the idea, or just uh release one. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1138.63 1139.28 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1142.73 1143.84 Five different 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1139.28 1142.73 Just give five with them, just in a box. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1142.77 1145.05 Yeah, uh Or just uh sell different ones. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1148.92 1150.54 So you can still th look through it. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1143.56 1148.92 Yeah, but y you could you could make 'em uh uh like blue and transparent. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1149.89 1150.32 Cool. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1149.38 1149.89 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1149.7 1150.18 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1150.18 1150.33 Yeah. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1151.75 1153.79 Um the buttons. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1153.79 1155.4 Normal rubber I think. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1157.54 1158.01 Soft. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1155.4 1157.54 Like normal ordinary buttons. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1157.44 1158.49 Yeah, I uh I dunno. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1158.49 1159.38 A more 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1158.15 1158.79 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1162.34 1163.58 That's better prob Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1158.79 1162.34 It it could be like a Nokia, like plastic. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1160.48 1161.96 Uh uh 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1160.69 1161.71 Yeah, just uh 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1162.02 1163.51 With the hard hard buttons. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1163.13 1165.36 I think uh rubber really has an odd look. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1166.11 1166.5 Okay. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1167.46 1172.41 The the the new uh new modern uh remote controls,
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1166.25 1167.46 Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1172.41 1178.23 uh the buttons are part of the uh the style, I think is part of the remote control itself. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1166.28 1166.59 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1178.13 1178.56 Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1182.49 1189.53 Uh it's n doesn't Is uh a button uh um How do you say it? 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1189.53 1193.54 It it didn't it i it don't come out of the on the background. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1178.3 1182.49 It it's one uh a one uh out of one shape. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1193.54 1196.28 It is in uh the c a remote control uh 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1189.51 1191.14 Yeah, it's it's all on one level. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1192.18 1193.54 Yeah, on one level. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1195.09 1195.25 Yeah. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1196.5 1197.48 Yeah, I know what you mean. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1201.57 1203.98 Like th the top it's Yeah. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1199.61 1201.57 So we have to keep it on the one level. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1201.81 1202.2 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1202.16 1203.58 Yeah, like mobile phones. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1204.7 1205.21 Uh just 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1203.58 1204.7 Like uh the iPod. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1205.16 1205.85 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1207.17 1210.15 Okay, it's chos So that should be hard plastic. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1210.15 1210.95 Then the buttons? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1207.39 1207.97 Yeah, that's cool. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1212.25 1212.68 I think. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1212.68 1213.66 Or maybe 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1214.9 1215.18 But 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1212.7 1214.9 I dunno what uh kind of material it is. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1219.58 1222 Just only the basic uh 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1215.55 1219.58 But maybe you can m make a uh round fluff or soft material. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1215.55 1215.82 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1220.7 1220.94 Oops. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1223.05 1225.32 basic remote control from normal plastic, and 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1225.81 1226.15 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1226.49 1228.01 the rounds of it from softer s 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1228.65 1229.04 Okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1229.39 1229.57 Yeah. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1250.28 1251.32 So if you put 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1241.8 1244.41 And back light L. E. D. s. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1244.41 1250.28 So But I think we have to make the case transparent, otherwise the back light won't work. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1235.18 1241.8 The normal infrared L. E. D. I think s sufficient. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1230.15 1235.18 And um Then the L. E. D. . 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1231.24 1231.55 I dunno. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1244.06 1244.19 Y 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1244.88 1245.13 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1245.59 1246.02 Cool. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1251.02 1253.78 Y i if you The numbers could be can be Yeah, that's right. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1250.71 1251.02 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1250.75 1253.54 Uh you can just make them around the buttons uh Yeah. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1253.72 1254.33 Okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1255.42 1256.78 Or it runs the whole 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1259.14 1260.78 So Or no 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1257.26 1259.14 Yeah, but we can still make it transparent. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1259.92 1260.79 They can choose. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1260.08 1264.29 Yeah, you can halfs transparent, or just that it's comes out a bit. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1265.84 1266.64 Good. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1266.64 1269.28 And in green colour, the back lights or 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1264.58 1265.84 Yeah okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1269.28 1270.91 Different, I think, also. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1271.24 1271.46 Yeah? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1271.68 1272.88 Blue. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1272.9 1273.98 Blue or red. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1275.04 1276.89 Uh depends on the colour of the 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1273.98 1275.04 Whatever you want it, I think. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1273.51 1274.01 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1276.01 1278.68 Yeah, but you can't choo You can't choose it when you buy it. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1278.68 1279.65 You have to choose 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1277.03 1278.87 Uh i 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1279.61 1280.16 But 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1278.74 1279.61 Yeah, that's true. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1279.78 1283.77 No, but I think there are multiple colour LEDs. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1283.77 1284.51 So 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1284.76 1285.55 Is it Okay. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1285.21 1288.46 Yeah, but can you change it if you already bought the the remote control? 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1288.46 1288.74 You 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1286.91 1287.29 Is 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1285.93 1286.91 I I know I dunno. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1288.48 1290.75 'Cause this a mo mib uh mobile phone as well. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1287.72 1288.48 Yeah, it can. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1288.79 1289.53 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1292.8 1293.42 I think it's 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1289.98 1292.8 Maybe it's it's more impor more expensive. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1291.15 1292.54 Maybe put some different ones in it. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1292.54 1293.07 Doesn't matter. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1293.07 1294.38 It's just No, just some LED. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1293.25 1296.18 I have the mo mi I have a blinking light on my phone. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1296.18 1297.48 And I can change the colour of it. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1297.77 1298.27 Okay, cool. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1298.27 1299.45 Just make it some different colours. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1299.45 1300.85 Blue, red and green, or something. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1301.27 1304.6 Maybe it's too expensive, but it I th I don't think so. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1300.71 1301.27 Yeah, I dunno. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1307.02 1307.27 So 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1303.11 1307.02 Well, we don't put put in any fancier technology yet. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1306.82 1307.19 Hmm. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1307.36 1310.06 Then uh some more technical things. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1315.84 1324.22 Um this is the normal circuit board, like a chip board in in a lot of uh things. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1324.22 1329.96 W So we d we just need this and this transistors and resonators. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1329.96 1331.81 There's all these kind of things. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1311.47 1315.84 I don't know what it is, but it should be there I think. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1323.62 1325.99 Yeah, we have to hurry up a bit, so 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1332.19 1337.28 Um they they basically said that that's almost the same on any uh remote controls. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1337.28 1340.55 So I guess we j we just need that. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1340.55 1342.2 I don't know what they do or 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1333.24 1334.48 I'm sure we can fit in. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1340.27 1340.45 Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1343.04 1345.9 Okay yeah, you can you can change Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1345.9 1346.22 No. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1343.09 1343.54 Yeah okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1343.54 1344.2 We just 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1347.9 1350.57 Nah, but they just said we need it. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1350.57 1356.37 Uh the battery contacts, like normal batteries ca you can put in. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1350.52 1351.16 Okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1355.92 1357.25 Yeah, a recharger maybe. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1357.3 1358.93 Yeah, we have to make sure to uh 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1358.34 1359.02 Yeah but 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1357.58 1358.34 Yeah okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1358.43 1360.04 We still want to have a recharger, don't we? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1360.04 1360.92 Is that still the 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1360.41 1360.79 Yes. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1360.04 1360.41 Yes. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1361.33 1365.51 Yeah, but it i We don't wanna have a ar an How do you call it? 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1365.51 1365.89 Accu. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1366.95 1368.1 A recha Oh no. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1368.1 1368.83 Uh Battery. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1369.73 1369.95 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1368.83 1369.73 It's just a battery. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1368.41 1369 Base station. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1367.61 1368.41 Re recharger. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1368 1370.76 Y uh just just batteries, rechargeable batteries. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1370.93 1372.91 Yes, rechargeable batteries, I think's best. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1369.98 1370.93 Yeah, batteries. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1375.97 1378.97 And uh a chip, that's this one. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1372.82 1375.97 Not a separate Okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1371.7 1372.82 Okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1374.44 1375.93 No, just rechargeable batteries. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1383.83 1392.06 Um for the energy source we can use batteries or a kinetic uh Like with the pulse watch. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1392.06 1395.42 So it operates on your wrist kinda. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1380.58 1383.83 Then uh I received some possibilities. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1392.58 1393.31 Ah cool. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1395.14 1395.64 Okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1396.23 1397.75 So if you hold it, it gets powered. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1396.49 1397.13 If you hold it. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1396.69 1400.67 But normally you put a remote control on the table or on the couch. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1402.75 1405.39 But you mostly use it indoors, so 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1399.05 1402.75 Yeah, I don't think it will work, and Or we can also use solar cells. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1404.41 1404.89 No. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1403.35 1404.41 It's dark in the room. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1404.89 1406.41 It's just batteries, that's cheaper. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1414.84 1419.29 Uh two D. curved is um like front to the back. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1406.43 1409.83 Yeah, and and we can use the home station kind of thing. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1419.29 1421.36 And three D. curved is also in depth. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1409.83 1414.84 Um cases, flat, so uncurved. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1409.01 1409.31 Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1421.86 1422.32 Okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1433.87 1435.88 So we can't use the flat buttons. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1426.96 1433.87 Uh but with three D. uh curved uh remote controls, we must use rubber buttons. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1423.35 1426.96 So that's possible. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1435.32 1436.99 So we need uh two D. . 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1434.2 1435.32 Mm. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1437.36 1438.12 Yeah, I think. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1437.47 1437.74 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1438.7 1439.27 Definitely. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1439.48 1442.32 Um these kinda materials can be used. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1443.53 1445.73 But it doesn't really matter, we just make it plastic. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1445.95 1446.24 Yeah. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1446.87 1448.42 Yeah, I think so too. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1448.66 1449.69 The scroll wheels, that's cool. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1449.69 1450.48 That's for the volume. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1450.98 1452.94 Yeah, scroll wheels um 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1453.4 1453.58 Yeah. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1455.25 1456.94 Yeah, that's good. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1459.2 1461.24 But I think just the volume is enough. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1456.94 1459.2 We can use multiple scroll wheels, w if we want to. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1459.58 1459.98 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1460.94 1465.88 Uh For channels it's not handy, because you scroll too fast. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1463.79 1464.1 Okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1465.68 1467.32 And uh the L. C. D. . 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1467.32 1473.47 So we need uh the expensive, most expensive chip, if we use an L. C. D. . 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1467.75 1468.37 Mm 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1475.08 1476.09 Just skip it. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1476.09 1479.13 Because we don't have time for that to to put it in. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1473.21 1475.08 I don't think that's an opportunity. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1482.29 1483.91 So th so the regular chip. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1483.91 1485.28 Because we use scroll wheels. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1477.73 1482.29 Okay, then we we use m must use the second most expensive chip. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1485.63 1486.5 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1486.12 1486.47 Okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1487 1488.48 And um 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1489.73 1492.07 Yeah, that was it I guess. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1492.07 1496.37 Uh are are we using a a rubber case, or We haven't decided yet. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1490.76 1491.41 Okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1495.37 1497.59 Oh just sk Maybe you have to skip that one as well. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1497.59 1498.1 It's 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1497.88 1500.14 Uh I don't think a rubber case looks 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1498.83 1502.85 Uh but we have to do something about the trend. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1510.73 1513.86 And uh now we have nothing about uh about those those two. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1502.85 1510.73 The trend is uh spong spongy uh and uh fruit or fresh fresh. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1499.16 1501.62 L Yeah, i it it should be soft. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1501.62 1502.34 You said so? 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1510.49 1512.37 That Uh fruit and veg, or 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1509.94 1510.49 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1513.98 1515.84 Yeah, fruit and veg can be just the covers. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1516.12 1518.17 Uh yeah i Just Just on front. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1520.54 1524.02 I can't imagine a soft remote control. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1517.04 1520.54 So you can the the spongy yeah, I dunno. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1522.07 1522.36 No. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1522.58 1524.8 Neith uh I don't like it uh neither. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1525.48 1527.82 No. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1526.02 1527.1 I just can't imagine it. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1527.13 1529.82 So just hard plastic? 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1529.82 1530.13 Okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1529.11 1529.41 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1532.44 1533.45 It's mentioned here uh. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1529.9 1530.94 Yeah, I think. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1530.94 1532.44 Titanium. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1533.4 1535.6 Titanium, uh I think it's too expensive. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1539.65 1540.15 Just a bit 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1537.62 1539.65 Not the sh the square form. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1535.41 1537.62 But maybe the form has to be a bit different. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1541.13 1543.52 Yeah, you can make it curved or mm round. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1543.52 1545.69 But just in two D., not in depth. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1541.67 1542.8 more rounded. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1542.8 1543.29 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1545.13 1545.35 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1546.61 1547.43 Yeah, that's right. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1546.97 1547.82 Okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1556.69 1557.67 So 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1564.72 1566.99 Because we have to know it. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1569.25 1570.19 We already know that. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1566.99 1569.25 So the energy uh is the recharger. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1564.03 1564.72 What exactly. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1560.68 1564.03 We have to decide which one we're going to choose from these. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1571.58 1573.57 Okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1573.57 1575.6 The chip-on-print is a normal one. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1570.19 1571.58 Just a normal battery. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1569.98 1570.41 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1570.41 1571.7 We have batteries. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1576.27 1576.51 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1576.8 1577.22 Regular. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1577.3 1579.31 Okay, the case is just a plastic one. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1582.75 1584.54 So it's b should be regular uh the second. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1580.76 1582.75 You have the simple one, regular and advanced. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1578.72 1580.76 Yeah th yeah, the chip is the the regular one. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1580.52 1581.95 Yeah, re Yeah, regular. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1581.95 1582.97 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1582.97 1583.78 Yeah, regular. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1585.1 1585.57 Okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1587.66 1589.7 I think I'll just check it. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1588.56 1593.8 And we need a plastic case, with a scroll wheel. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1594.63 1595.1 Yes. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1595.85 1596.59 That's pretty much it. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1597.01 1597.36 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1599.5 1600.8 User interface concept. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1599.63 1601.35 And a flashy light. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1611.01 1612.68 But 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1607.54 1611.01 But we do I don't know if we expected to draw on this one at this moment. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1605.67 1607.54 So uh I'm not sure. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1613.99 1614.69 I dunno either. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1616.62 1618.14 Or should we do it in the next meeting? 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1615.33 1616.62 Mm. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1617.07 1622.08 Uh I. D. and U. I. D. work together on prototype drawing on smart board. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1621.87 1622.32 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1623.63 1624.13 That's for th 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1622.32 1623.63 That's for the next one. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1622.23 1623.47 So we should did it here? 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1623.6 1624.58 So we're staying here? 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1625.08 1626.72 Or should we do it in the next meeting? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1625.51 1627.99 Uh that I think that's the next next meeting. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1627.99 1628.51 Okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1629.49 1632.55 But you definitely get a specific instruction. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1632.33 1635.33 Okay, so now we're ka thirty minutes alone again? 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1632.8 1633.16 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1639.62 1640.76 Just And more 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1636.74 1639.62 But th think about something that's more rounded. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1642.6 1646.23 But the iPod and etcetera, M. P. three players, mobile phones. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1641.63 1642.6 Yeah, uh I dunno. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1641.99 1642.78 It has to be 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1646.95 1648.75 Just just on the top or on the bottom. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1646.4 1646.95 Uh a bit. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1647.94 1652.74 Just a bit cur Okay, I'll see if I can see any of those. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1652.81 1654.95 Maybe the wheel can be uh like uh like this. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1654.95 1658.19 O um if you draw it like this, you get a 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1660.65 1661.33 What the fuck is it? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1665.51 1666.21 Mm 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1664.67 1665.51 Okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1667.79 1669.58 Doesn't work. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1670.91 1672.51 If I draw here 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1669.58 1670.91 You see what I mean? 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1673.35 1673.68 What? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1674.46 1678.69 It draws about four centimetres lower than Nah okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1678.69 1679.15 Just. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1676.31 1676.67 Oh. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1678.36 1678.71 Okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1681.09 1682.37 Maybe you can make it like this. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1686.96 1688.91 And this is all the wheel for volume. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1688.91 1695.32 So that you just um It's all rounded, so you can do uh turn this one. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1695.32 1698.31 Yeah, but just not on the top, but uh on the side of it. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1693.64 1696.23 Like a very big scroll-wheel. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1698.69 1699.34 Okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1700.12 1701.19 Maybe, I dunno. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1701.91 1702.24 Hmm. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1703.28 1705.98 Okay, so we have this at the moment. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1706.24 1712.84 I think uh you'll get a a lot of uh volume changing when it's not wanted. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1711.48 1712.85 Yeah, you Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1712.8 1714.27 Okay, so we'd have this. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1714.27 1714.77 Is that okay? 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1715.46 1717.77 I think it's probably better. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1714.91 1715.46 Yeah. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1717.77 1724.13 Yeah, but maybe we can make a a plastic, so that you i if you like drop it, it won't change the volume. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1724.13 1725.37 Only if you use your finger. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1715.37 1717.05 Yeah, that's a little problem, of course, as well. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1716.95 1718.17 And 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1724.02 1726.4 Yeah, maybe you just have to make it uh 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1728.01 1729.67 That's not scrollable too easy. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1730.61 1732.34 And uh what's the channel choose? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1732.34 1733.35 Where do we uh put that? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1730.24 1730.61 Like this. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1734.72 1735.58 I think in middle. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1735.15 1736.28 Still on the bottom or 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1736.4 1738.37 Uh wh what is the middle part? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1738.64 1739.58 That's the numbers. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1740.23 1744.21 Uh I think th the numbers should be in the bottom, and and the switch channel in the middle. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1740.41 1741.38 Numbers, okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1744.16 1745.16 Yeah, I agree as well. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1746.37 1747.09 Use the dz 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1752.99 1757.52 Because you already have the volume here, so You can also put it here one butt and the other one there. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1746.84 1752.99 It doesn't make a difference, if you put the s uh the switch channels on side of each other or on top of each other. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1761.37 1764.79 So you can also can put it all on the top, and this, you keep this empty. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1758.56 1760.12 Next to each other. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1760.12 1761.37 back and forth. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1764.79 1766.45 Because you have to hold it as well. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1759.54 1760.64 Yeah, that's right. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1766.63 1773.61 Or you could do the switch channel up button above the the numbers and switch channel down button below. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1773.08 1775.68 But that's not want to zap very quick, so 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1778.1 1780.2 And then you use those uh 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1775.56 1778.1 Yeah, I think uh zapping is the highest priority. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1775.76 1776.3 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1776.67 1776.89 Yeah? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1779.59 1782.4 Is this a opportunity, or you don't want a different 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1781.75 1782.75 Yeah, of course uh. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1783.04 1787.07 Uh but I think we we should bu uh put 'em on top of each other, so 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1787.82 1788.11 Why? 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1788.78 1794.55 Because then it's it's easy to know m if I push the the the up 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1795.86 1796.5 Doesn't make 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1793.49 1795.86 But still the next It's still the next one. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1795.73 1802.77 Yeah, but the top the top button is is like you switch channel up, and down button is If you put them 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1801.02 1803.61 Yeah, but fo from left to right is exactly the same. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1803.61 1804.96 It ma it doesn't make a big difference. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1803.45 1804.24 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1804.24 1805.34 I I think it's 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1806.24 1813.88 But uh but I I think uh left to right is more often associated with volume, and top down is more with uh channel changing. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1806.3 1807.56 It's it's obvious, I think. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1816.57 1819.4 Every remote control's uh different. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1813.09 1816.57 Yeah, that's not not It's not al uh always the same. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1814.96 1815.88 But it's exactly th 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1817.89 1823.3 So so if we use that, they will probably have a long learning uh time. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1815.13 1817.89 In uh On most on most remote controls. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1817.35 1818.22 Yeah, I think 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1827.97 1828.55 So it's uh 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1824.26 1827.97 I You already have the volume on the side, so you can't make it you can't ma make a mistake. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1823.72 1824.26 I dunno. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1824.19 1825.79 No, uh I think 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1827.45 1828.17 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1828.17 1830.48 I think it's s so simple you just 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1829.34 1829.87 I dunno. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1831.21 1831.48 Okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1831.43 1833.88 So but that's for that's for you, 'cause it's 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1833.3 1835.38 Yeah, okay I'll d I'll take a look at it. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1837.68 1838.88 Okay, so hmm. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1840.5 1842.57 What did What else we have to discuss about? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1842.57 1842.94 I dunno. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1844.38 1846.25 Think we need to work uh thirty minutes again? 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1850.56 1852.74 Yeah, we have to care that it r uh looks really new. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1852.74 1858.19 Because uh we still hold on to the uh ordinary uh 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1862.6 1868.18 'Cause wha what I see the only difference i i i in fact is that we use a scroll-wheel on the outside. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1859.37 1862.6 uh square uh remote control. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1861.01 1861.31 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1868.13 1868.71 And the LED. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1875.52 1877.17 You have to look at that image of the iPod. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1868.31 1875.52 No, you have uh It is Uh the current uh controllers are all black and plastic. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1869.17 1871.7 Yeah, but i i it should be round in in shape. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1871.7 1872.2 So 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1878.91 1879.35 Okay. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1877.88 1878.91 Yes. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1878.66 1880.67 More that uh kind of style. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1880.77 1882.2 And a bit uh 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1881.66 1883.71 Not not the old grey black 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1883.17 1884.34 Uh Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1883.48 1888.3 Some some kind of bling bling uh mm can we have 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1886.96 1893.29 Where you can put a ve Uh we have If we do it like that we have below have we uh a lot of room to put a nice logo. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1895.64 1896.21 Yeah, that's right. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1893.88 1894.11 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1894.11 1895.64 Uh the logo was has to be on there. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1901.77 1902.65 Or more or 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1900.61 1901.77 Uh five or something? 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1896.21 1900.61 Uh and how many uh fronts uh fronts do we put on the market then? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1901.7 1902.64 Yeah, five. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1902.64 1903.19 Let's give five. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1904.95 1906.99 Maybe you can buy separate ones and uh 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1911.52 1913.19 And uh basic. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1909.43 1911.52 You buy, you get one. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1906.38 1909.43 And um uh uh buy the product. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1913.19 1916.28 Or you can choose one uh if you buy the project. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1913.8 1915.91 Um I think Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1913.43 1913.8 Yeah. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1916.68 1918.39 No, tha that will be 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1916.9 1918.34 That's your choice, I think huh. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1924.43 1925.88 So you could put it like that, okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1922.15 1924.43 Is that is that a good good opportunity? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1918.23 1922.15 So y you can put the bottom of the remote control in recharger? 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1923.81 1924.41 Yes. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1926.51 1926.68 Hmm? 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1924.32 1926.51 Yeah, so top down. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1927.08 1930.54 Yeah, you sl uh you let it slide in the docking station. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1931.68 1933.32 Do we have to design that w as well? 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1933.12 1933.95 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1934.12 1935.24 Uh I'm not sure. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1934.55 1935.49 The docking station? 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1936.16 1937.08 Yeah, I think so. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1938.5 1938.76 Hmm. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1941.41 1941.92 Yeah, we can b 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1941.68 1943.34 But th Yeah, that can be very simple. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1944.6 1944.96 Least. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1944.99 1948.91 It c it could be just just a square, just a packet. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1945.91 1947.5 Yeah, just a recharger. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1947.97 1950.55 Yeah, just where you're around something. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1952.65 1954.11 Li Yeah, we had one example. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1955.64 1961.53 But we have to make contacts on the on the remote control and the recharger as well. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1964.65 1964.82 Mm. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1963.31 1964.65 Mm. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1966.98 1968.6 Maybe we can choose then. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1965.4 1966.98 Yeah, but that's a round one. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1966.32 1966.74 Which w 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1970.52 1973.35 Here you see one that's very round. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1974.36 1975.3 Oh yeah, okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1975.78 1978.25 So I think that can be all kind of shapes. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1979.04 1981.33 But maybe you can just round up the corners a bit. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1982.65 1983.71 Of the remote control? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1982.72 1983.52 That's all. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1983.52 1983.75 Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1984 1984.34 Yeah. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1985.25 1986.03 Yeah Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1986.23 1987.37 Just round it up. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1990.7 1990.99 But 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1986.36 1990.7 Yeah, so y you don't want uh this uh like the iPod. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1992.73 1993.19 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1992.14 1992.73 No. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1993.19 1993.47 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1992.37 1992.95 More rounded. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1994.88 1999.41 Yeah, I think it will just look like more like this one. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2001.81 2002.31 I think i 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1999.41 2001.81 Since it's This is also rounded. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2001.8 2003.07 No, just just the corners. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2006.36 2007.81 Mm 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2003.78 2006.36 Yeah okay, tho those are al already a bit cornered. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2006.4 2006.77 Okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2006.99 2014.98 Yeah, but we can we can do all kinds of uh As long as it isn is in two D. we can use all kind of round shapes. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2013.78 2014.33 Shapes. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2015.17 2019.4 Yeah okay, but then we have to think of something totally new. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2016 2016.85 Not in depth. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2020.55 2022.71 Yeah, but Yeah, if if we want to make it 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2023.91 2025.99 kind of, yeah, new. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2029.36 2032.14 And all curves have already been done. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2026.89 2029.36 I've uh I had a lot of picture of old ones. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2038.29 2039.36 It's a bit annoying, isn't it? 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2040.02 2040.4 Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2042.2 2043.61 What do we do wrong? 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2047.7 2048.16 Okay. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2044.35 2047.7 Just just more like this and not uh a square. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2043.61 2044.35 Hmm. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2047.28 2048.52 Yeah okay, yeah well 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2048.48 2052.71 Yeah, but we could do a lot of, lot more curving. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2054.37 2055.26 I would do it 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2056.12 2056.73 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2056.73 2058.21 I know we can do a lot more, but 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2059.1 2059.84 Yeah, it 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2064.91 2066.65 Like in this kind of shape or 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2069.14 2071.64 Uh it's very annoying. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2071.64 2072.15 Okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2072.21 2072.79 I dunno. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2075.09 2076.02 I dunno if it's handy. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2077.5 2082.75 I think it will only look more like the old remote controls. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2079.62 2080.11 Uh 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2084.52 2088.35 The olden the olden ones had looked like just a square thing. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2083.44 2084.52 This? 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2084.17 2084.42 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2088.4 2091.44 But uh I had a lot of pictures Oh I can show you here 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2087.96 2088.4 Yeah okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2093.23 2095.13 what the old ones look like. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2101.96 2102.21 Mm. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2104.66 2105.59 Curves, curves. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2106.92 2107.36 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2107.67 2109.76 You've more there as well. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2110.17 2110.84 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2112.96 2114.39 It wasn't very small one. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2115.83 2116.14 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2116.13 2117.36 very simple. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2120.07 2121.17 That is for elderly. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2120.76 2123.96 So we have to make a decision, what kind of form it's gonna have t going to have. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2125.39 2126.69 Yeah, I don't know. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2130.57 2131.11 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2134.75 2139.02 If we just uh take the iPod, and the same look. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2132.19 2134.75 I think if w My opinion. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2139.02 2144.35 So uh light or just whatever colour, but the same light colours. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2137.94 2138.29 Yeah. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2144.98 2145.46 Mm-hmm. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2151.39 2153.54 No rubber buttons or something. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2153.54 2156.27 Just together with the back-lights you'll get a totally new look. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2145.13 2151.39 And uh just with uh together with uh the back-lights b look will look very new. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2156.27 2159.54 More like the M. P. three player M. um P. M. P. three player. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2158.86 2160.26 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2164.03 2166.55 But why do we have to round it on the t bottom then? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2166.55 2167.9 Of Skip that one as well. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2160.48 2162.9 And you have the scroll button inside. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2162.9 2164.03 Okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2162.48 2163.12 Yes. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2163.12 2164.59 Just a simple scrollb 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2163.23 2163.58 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2168.71 2169.54 Doesn't have to be. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2170.96 2171.48 Yeah, it's cool. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2170.12 2170.96 Okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2175.01 2177.19 But yeah, I'm not a Trendwatcher, you are. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2171.57 2173.37 Yeah, though that's a trend. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2173.37 2175.01 If we want to make it. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2177.19 2177.79 So 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2177.64 2179.21 Uh the t the trend is 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2180 2181.19 Rubber spongy. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2181.07 2182.94 spongy and fruity. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2182.94 2183.4 But yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2183.62 2184.13 No. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2183.12 2183.62 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2184.13 2185.25 Spongy and 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2183.63 2184.9 Spongeball kinda. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2185.48 2189.74 It's not not a lot of trends I uh I found uh 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2188.66 2190.55 Okay, so we have s still one minute left. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2190.55 2194.46 So just I think it's okay if you just keep it a bit square. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2190.89 2191.79 Uh 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2195.16 2195.35 Mm. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2198.37 2205.07 Yeah, I d I don't know n something about ergonomic kind of fits-in-the-hand uh stuff. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2196.94 2198.37 Okay. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2197.98 2199.05 It The th th 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2202.31 2202.61 No. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2203.48 2203.63 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2206.62 2208.4 You j still have older people. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2208.4 2213.39 It's only annoying if it if it's like that f formed like that, like f Whatever. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2204.53 2206.62 But I I think it's still for older people. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2213.39 2214.62 Just you have a normal 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2213.5 2214.34 There is one 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2213.75 2215.92 Yeah, but we're we're aiming at a young public. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2215.32 2220.91 There's just one overall important aspect is that we must make it fancy and it looks original 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2225.62 2228.04 It must have uh uh uh a very different 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2220.91 2225.62 and I hope we can uh make it look not like the iPod itself. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2226.88 2227.81 Yeah, idea. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2227.81 2231.48 But you're If you look at the way remote controls are now 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2233.17 2234.08 Yeah, they're all the same. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2233.62 2235.45 And if you make it look like the iPod 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2237.89 2239.04 That's already fancy. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2246.08 2248.25 Just like the colours of Real Reaction. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2233.98 2236.23 But i it is it is it is already fancy. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2236.23 2237.89 Because of the lights on the bottom of it. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2239.04 2244.38 Uh maybe maybe make the the mm the wha what's it called uh scroll wheel. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2244.38 2246.08 Make it in in yellow or something. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2238.19 2241.13 So that's already a very big change compared to 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2237.62 2238.19 Yeah okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2247.48 2248 Hmm. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2248.4 2249.54 Ye yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2249.54 2250.64 Well uh 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2250.59 2251.63 Yeah, we could do that. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2252.1 2252.37 Could. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2252.67 2258.34 Uh yeah, but uh if you the f uh front, the scroll wheel will still uh be yellow. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2257.35 2257.67 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2257.86 2258.79 No, I think Oh. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2259.1 2259.8 It's right. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2264.37 2268.76 Since if you put it uh somewhere, the chances that it will scroll are too big. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2260.87 2264.37 Think the scroll wheel won't be very big. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2268.76 2270.1 So it will just be a small 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2268.73 2269.03 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2271.48 2272.26 small scroll wheel. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2272.26 2275.46 So it won't uh stick out much. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2275.51 2275.71 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2286.83 2288.34 Because it doesn't work properly. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2278.29 2286.83 Maybe we have to ask uh to the the mm to her if it has if it can work better than this. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2275.71 2278.29 Maybe the ones we are going to draw there. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2289.32 2289.61 No. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2289.36 2290.37 So maybe you have to ask her. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2289.65 2289.98 Yeah okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2289.98 2293.82 Well, maybe we can just open images there, and I'll paint and paint. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2294.34 2295.3 Okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2295.69 2296.48 That's probably 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2295.3 2295.69 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2295.27 2296.31 I'll be able to do a better job. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2296.59 2298.44 If you set the pen yeah, he will draw here. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2301 2301.5 Doesn't work. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2305.41 2307.84 So we make it a bit like m that one probably. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2301.98 2305.41 Okay, so just finish it. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2309.39 2310.91 Yeah, I'll see it. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2309.81 2310.52 Is that okay? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2309.64 2309.81 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2310.06 2312.38 Bu Yeah, I agree more like iPod. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2311.02 2311.23 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2311.6 2319.3 Okay, only the colour and the flashy light and the We just we just skip the the the voca or was it the the speech recognition. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2315.05 2315.84 Just a 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2314.21 2315.05 Yes. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2319.21 2320.23 Yeah, do we s keep that? 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2318.17 2319.21 Speech. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2320.23 2320.91 Yeah, I think 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2321.67 2322.23 It's okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2321.08 2321.67 Or keep that? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2322.23 2323.66 But you'd definitely need a 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2325.82 2327.94 Yeah, I think so. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2327.94 2330.43 And we we have to build in a microphone and 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2323.03 2325.82 S Uh yeah, I don't know. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2324.13 2325.83 Well uh then it w 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2324.69 2325.5 advanced chip. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2325.54 2326.21 Uh 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2331.85 2336.9 We already have uh the beeping of the home station, so 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2330.76 2331.85 Well that's very easy. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2337.51 2340.5 I d I didn't receive any information on speech recognition, so 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2334.84 2337.51 Yeah, and I do I don't know anything about that. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2337.61 2338.02 No. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2338.91 2342.67 Uh strange that I received the information about that. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2341.88 2342.39 But 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2340.6 2341.88 Oh that's hard. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2342.4 2343.07 So 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2343.01 2346.19 Uh the ma the main points I I I uh just said. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2353.92 2354.4 But 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2352.55 2353.92 Becau Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2347.88 2352.55 We have to be original and uh technological innovative. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2353.59 2356.15 Can we just put it speech recognition in it as well, okay? 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2356 2357.39 Ma 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2358.34 2359.63 So we can put all the 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2356.38 2358.34 So shall we it open then? 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2357.96 2358.42 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2360.29 2361.44 The function of that in there. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2361.44 2361.84 Yeah. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2361.5 2362.04 Okay. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2362.71 2365.8 And we need a Probably we need a uh advanced chip then. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2363.29 2363.79 Fine. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2366.96 2368.42 Yeah, we probably do. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2367.65 2369.35 But it doesn't say anything about it, does it? 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2368.4 2368.76 Yeah. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2369.8 2370.06 No. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2370.88 2371.68 Oh yeah, I 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2371.12 2373.19 But we don't have any f information about the cost. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2373.87 2374.08 No. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2374.26 2377.27 We started with information about the cost was now th 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2375.29 2377.24 I just I just received the 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2378.69 2380.92 But just a about the chip. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2375.62 2378.69 Yeah, uh I have I have some some information about the cost. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2380.32 2380.83 Yeah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2383.39 2384.89 The the the 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2382.31 2383.39 And how much is the chip? 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2384.52 2385.82 I don't know how much, but 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2386 2393.03 Yeah, our division has developed a new speech recognition feature, the integrated programmable sample sensor simple speaker u unit. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2393.03 2397.77 This is a very small electronic unit, will give a standard answer after it recognise a question. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2386.98 2388.64 Just in inexpensive or 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2399.76 2400.06 Is it 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2397.75 2399.76 And how how does it work? 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2400.86 2406.52 Just You say record, followed by your question sample, and after a few seconds the answer uh sample. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2400.28 2400.86 Doesn't say. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2408.71 2409.39 Because uh 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2410.61 2415.28 So it works like uh good morning remote control, and then the remote control says good morning. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2416.07 2417.56 It doesn't has to say anything. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2417.56 2418.98 Just You have to just talk to 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2418.52 2420.28 Does it say does it say something back? 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2417.51 2418.52 No. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2418.65 2421.54 Yeah uh th that's just It's a No. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2421.54 2425.96 Yeah, it Well that's integrated in the chip, so if you use the speech recognition, that's in it. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2421.08 2422.11 So just 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2419.94 2421.08 Okay, we have to stop it now. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2424.5 2427 Okay, that's a r That's that's a advanced 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2425.84 2427.41 But i it's a separate chip. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2428.48 2432.36 I dunno, but if we use speech recognition, that will be in it as well. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2432.83 2433.3 Okay. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2435.46 2438.67 Yeah, I don't know anything about this, but Nah. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2437.07 2437.39 Um 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2438.04 2440.71 Yeah, we just decide not to put it in, because it's too difficult. 
TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2441.96 2443.36 I dunno. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2442.71 2445.4 Well it it would be would be a good feature feature. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2444.92 2445.34 Yeah. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2445.42 2448.14 Okay, we just put it in, because it's a good feature. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2449.9 2451.59 Okay, just We have to stop it now. 
TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2448.14 2449.9 We have to stop now. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2447.65 2449.92 No no worries about the cost, etcetera. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2449.92 2452.3 And there's a chip in it that will Okay. 
TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2446.67 2447.65 Okay. 
TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2452.34 2452.69 Fine. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 6.75 6.88 Oh. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 7.13 7.95 It's not saved yet. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 8.49 8.81 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 15.65 16.51 So 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 20.89 21.1 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 26.91 28.21 Our beautiful drawing. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 31.9 33.32 So just f um 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 43.17 47.13 You're F You're going to show your pr prototype presentation after me. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 42.01 43.17 So this is our agenda. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 48.52 48.95 Oops. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 51.26 51.35 Okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 53.2 54.06 Uh I didn't Oh yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 57.46 58.51 So these are the 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 62.98 63.27 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 62.03 62.98 Oh, okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 69.04 73.37 If anything doesn't look right, just say it to me then. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 73.37 74.73 I don't have to put it in the report. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 64.59 69.04 So these are the um last notes we I made. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 80.9 85.81 Because we didn't have enough time to uh de um design the inside as well. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 78.53 80.9 Are we doing the the speech recognition? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 89.16 90.93 So if you want to, it's okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 85.96 89.16 Okay, but it's still possible uh uh financially. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 91.22 92.62 Well then then we're gonna put it in. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 90.71 91.22 Okay yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 92.92 95.28 Okay, just 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 94.76 97.91 Yeah, just uh we have to design the inside then, but it should be uh 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 101.7 103.6 Or fold open? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 103.6 104.05 I don't know. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 97.32 101.7 Yeah, and Or are we making a slide open, like underneath? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 104.35 107.88 Slide open is uh quite usable for remote controls. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 105.4 106.5 It's probably better. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 108.24 112.83 Yeah, s Like underneath uh you can slide it open and you other functions. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 111.44 113.83 It's may maybe uh a bit stronger as well. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 112.43 113.56 Maybe that's better. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 114.51 114.72 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 114.66 116.15 Yeah, that's that's a very good point. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 122.41 124.76 'Cause you can write a lot of comments besides it. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 119.59 122.41 So you can make it very easy to use. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 115.99 119.59 Okay, so when you have a lot of room inside. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 116.33 116.98 Think that's better. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 122.51 122.85 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 126.17 127.43 So this is okay? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 125.6 126.17 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 130.54 132.19 Yeah, we're gonna use the advanced chip then. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 129.2 130.54 No. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 132.72 136.49 Okay, so that's Uh I'll just have a look how much that is. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 140.74 143.49 No, you have a different chip for speech recognition. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 143.49 143.93 So 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 136.49 140.74 But um Okay, for the Okay. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 134.02 135.08 The 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 137.63 139.13 Advanced chip was for uh spee Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 139.22 140.31 Yeah, I I think so. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 140.31 140.8 I don't know. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 143.49 143.82 Okay. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 143.6 144.13 Ah okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 147.43 148.13 So it's okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 145.04 147.43 So I already calculated that and it's still in the budget. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 148.71 148.97 Good. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 157.72 161.28 So you can show your prototype if you want to. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 162.37 162.74 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 162.82 163.26 Together? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 163.72 167.38 Yeah, it's Let's do it together. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 167.38 167.98 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 166.1 167.24 I'll give comments. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 171.31 173.06 Yeah, we just made a Word file 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 174.43 175.17 with the basic 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 176.56 177.21 elements. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 196.89 198.79 Uh the material should be hard plastic. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 185.31 190.82 Uh well the form, the case um as drawn there. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 194.43 196.89 So that's basically it. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 182.9 185.31 Uh the look-and-feel model. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 190.82 194.43 Simply a square with uh round corners. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 199.54 199.88 Mm-hmm. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 208.78 211.15 Um then the elements. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 199.88 203.52 Uh colour changeable, and also transparent. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 203.52 208.78 And colour and transparent, or just transparent, I don't know. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 213.74 215.52 Uh we have 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 216.61 218.89 The functions are just basic. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 228.36 229.48 And this is the 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 218.89 221.67 Like uh I've pointed them here. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 221.67 225.66 Mute function, on-off function, text functions. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 225.66 228.36 This uh switch channel. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 227.52 228.41 Okay, cool. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 232.62 234.12 And the logo is over here, and the mic. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 230.92 232.62 the num-pad. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 235.62 235.89 Okay. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 241.29 243.89 So you hold it like this in your right hand and 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 237.12 239.06 And the scrollwheel, no? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 239.06 241.29 You operate that with your pointing finger. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 239.11 239.67 Means 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 244.3 244.43 Mm. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 246.1 249.01 So how many functions do you need for for uh the microphone? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 250.09 250.91 Speech recognition. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 250.91 252.09 Yeah, speech recognition. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 252.09 254.62 Just Only one button to say it's on or off. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 261.73 264.22 Um so I've 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 255.67 261.73 But um I can imagine that you have to input your voice or something. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 252.4 255.67 Um I didn't have a specification of that. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 257.37 258.1 Uh I dunno. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 262.6 265.51 Yeah, maybe maybe uh you have to configure it. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 265.81 269.94 Yes, you need options to configure it, and after that you don't need 'em anymore. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 270.32 272.32 So you can put it on the back as well if you want to. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 273.41 273.95 That's for sure. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 271.89 273.41 Yeah, you can put 'em all on the back. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 276.24 280.39 Well we haven't had time to design that, the slide pad. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 272.48 276.24 Yeah, or or on the slide function, I don't know. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 275.02 275.49 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 275.77 276.68 That's uh 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 275.86 276.42 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 283.91 284.21 But 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 279.87 283.91 We also don't know how many buttons are required, or what kind of buttons. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 285.47 287.81 You have a lot of room if you can slide it open. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 288.77 290.48 Yeah, you can put it separate. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 292.44 294.32 So But it's enough room. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 289.13 289.99 You Yeah I know. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 289.99 292.44 I can imagine you need at least four buttons or something. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 293.52 293.77 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 299.08 301.62 Yeah, you write uh You wrote this, so. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 296.45 299.08 Um the position? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 300.25 303.91 Uh well Well the main, the main zap buttons are most central. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 305.02 306.91 That was the the most important thing. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 313.06 319.26 text buttons, mute buttons are together and at a place they easily are, easy to find. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 306.91 313.06 So uh the best place, the best reach place Um on-off buttons,
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 320.49 324.7 Um the on-off button is a bit bigger, uh so it stands out. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 324.7 326.57 That way you don't have to make it red, 'cause it's 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 327.67 328.99 will uh will show up. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 330.3 332.92 Uh scrollwheel is on the left side. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 332.92 337.89 It's basically the be standard place for scrollwheel, as far as I know. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 342.59 345.25 So y Because you can use your thumb then. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 337.18 338.35 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 338.35 342.59 But it's not uh impossible to use it, if you're left handed. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 343.35 343.86 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 353.85 358.07 But you missed the no uh the zero and uh the two stripes. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 345.64 346.8 Just just one thing now. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 346.8 353.85 Um y you need to have more uh one two th You've got one two three four five six seven eight nine. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 352.51 353.88 Okay yeah, they 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 355.78 356.34 Mm yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 356.88 357.79 Yeah okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 357.79 359.61 That's that's below that then. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 359.61 360.96 It's uh twelve buttons. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 358.22 358.7 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 360.01 361.44 just so you get that. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 362.95 363.59 Okay, but 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 365.59 366.92 It's rather important. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 367.17 367.93 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 369.33 373.27 But um I'll just uh 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 367.37 369.33 Yeah okay, just we just missed that. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 375.99 381.92 F the form well, we've taken that from the iPod, other popular technical device. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 381.92 383.88 So um should be popular. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 374.92 375.99 I'll get back to later. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 385.47 386.04 Um 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 387.79 389.67 The f uh the buttons creating? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 389.67 390.66 Uh if you 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 391.95 395.74 That or all round shapes, not uh rounded corners. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 396.21 396.59 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 396.88 399.19 So that, you know, you get a bit round feeling. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 400.68 403.05 Um we'll use hard plastic. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 403.05 407.61 Since that allows us to use uh two D. buttons, uh non-rubber buttons. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 409.39 410.9 Colour changeable. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 410.9 415.82 Well and um the backlight thing, the thing that lights up. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 415.82 422.12 We have decided uh in the the channel buttons, there's a little uh colour around it. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 422.72 423.45 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 423.4 427.64 And also in the num-pads, there's also colour light behind it. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 432.81 435.02 How do you want to implement that? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 435.02 437.31 Just on the Maybe on the second level as well? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 428.26 432.81 And do you still can, do you still can choose what colour, kind of colour you want? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 428.71 429.27 So when you pre 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 432.11 432.39 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 437.04 437.68 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 435.15 437.04 We're going to implement. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 437.68 439.37 Mm just a little 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 438.75 439.11 Ah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 438.82 443.14 Yeah, these are just basic functions, so All the non-basic are in 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 442.25 444.94 Okay, just draw draw the second level, because we need that as well. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 444.11 445.37 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 444.93 445.21 Okay. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 446.44 447.39 Um 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 457.15 459.56 Play Station or uh D. V. D. player. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 459.56 460.71 That function must be 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 452.48 457.15 It's uh to switch to uh uh your Scart. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 446.6 452.48 Okay, there is one uh function I use uh daily, and it's not on the basic functions. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 459.71 461.94 Okay, maybe we use this button for the 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 461.47 467.3 Yeah, maybe Or you can uh i uh lay it uh beneath in the uh other uh functions. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 465.62 468.41 Yeah, I um To your video device. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 466.93 474.19 Just make make a Just just draw a second level one and say all options that are still left or something. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 466.42 466.93 Yeah, as well. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 468.69 468.94 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 474.4 475.72 A second level? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 475.72 479.48 Like a a new blank one or Or just here? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 479.48 479.75 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 474.83 475.46 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 475.69 476.12 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 479.64 480.52 So uh 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 477.2 479.64 No no, just on Down there. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 478.87 479.52 Is i Ah okay. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 481.08 481.45 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 481.53 483.38 And h how does the second level come out? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 483.38 485.27 Uh it slides uh along? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 482.1 482.99 Just uh if you s 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 484.35 486.04 Um slides I think. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 486.04 486.36 It's 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 485.76 486.76 Yeah, y Maybe, yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 486.43 488.68 From from the uh beneath? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 487.95 488.47 For the bottom. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 488.04 490.95 You can do it that it claps open, but I think that's not solid enough. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 490.95 492.32 If that breaks then you're screwed. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 490.76 492.09 No, you gotta slide it. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 494.03 494.75 Yeah, it's right. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 499.13 499.72 Um 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 495.81 499.13 So it do doesn't even have to slide all the way open. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 499.66 500.67 So what do we need? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 500.97 503.68 Uh i the the speech functions buttons. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 504.19 505.2 Yeah, just 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 507.26 507.77 Menu? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 509.09 509.82 Menu button. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 511.32 512.96 With uh maybe uh arrows. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 514.11 515.01 So you can uh 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 516.48 519.32 scroll in the, navigate the menu. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 522.09 522.66 Um 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 522.79 523.38 God damn it. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 522.92 523.7 Scart? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 524.44 534.91 I think we can even put a We have one for the zero and one for the for the more digit uh channels. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 539.45 540.88 That's used pretty often. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 534.91 539.45 So you have one left for the Right, the video channel, Play Station, etcetera. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 530.74 531.25 Uh yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 533.64 536.27 And so y you keep you keep one, you have one left. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 536.27 538.16 Yes. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 536.89 537.92 So this is the 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 541.11 542.49 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 542.49 545.44 It's a f basic uh 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 541.98 544.59 If you have a Play Station, mm you use it every day. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 543.16 543.41 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 546.29 547.78 Extern or something. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 555.47 557.14 You want to save that file as well? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 559.37 560.1 The drawing? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 563.54 563.95 That was it. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 563.64 566.96 So here are multiple speech buttons, I don't know how many. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 567.39 568.13 Uh 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 568.29 569.07 Doesn't really matter. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 569.07 570.01 Just just uh 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 570.47 571.61 Okay. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 568.82 570.47 I don't know the functions. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 571.61 572.15 What else? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 574.94 575.52 What else? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 575.52 577.37 Uh menu buttons with arrows. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 569.28 570.24 It doesn't really matter. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 570.24 574.94 That's Yeah well we don't have any uh Hmm? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 574.38 574.96 What else? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 576.7 577.38 Uh menu. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 577.82 579.16 Yeah, to navigate. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 579 580.45 Uh With arrows. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 579.08 582.65 S Just uh like Um I think it's best if we do. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 584.53 585.79 Mm where do we have 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 588.19 588.74 Or there. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 588.78 590.18 Like a normal um 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 590.42 592.37 Like on the normal uh Like this. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 594.94 595.29 Okay. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 592.67 594.94 Yeah, with in the middle um a menu button. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 594.07 595 The menu button, yes. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 601.6 603.94 So you can't redesign it. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 597.87 601.6 Well we don't have any, anything on how many buttons speech requires. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 602.4 604.95 Mm okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 604.39 604.6 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 609.48 612.32 Maybe one button to switch the colour of your uh LEDs? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 612.37 612.65 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 613.07 613.24 Yep. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 613.53 619.8 Uh and and you can hold it, you can hold it, and then the colours switch or mm multiple multiple buttons. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 617.08 617.41 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 617.64 619.86 Just press it once, the colour should uh switch. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 619.86 621.49 Press again, the colour switch again maybe? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 621.81 622.57 okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 626.11 629.16 Just red, yel uh red, green and 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 623.59 626.11 Or we just make it three buttons, all the colours on it. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 627.57 628.8 Okay, yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 628.8 629.54 Th Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 629.54 631.91 If we have enough place, uh then we can do that. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 629.73 630.21 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 630.95 632.33 That's that's very easy, yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 632.54 633.57 We can put those here. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 634.79 637.19 Colour buttons. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 637.19 640.72 And then we choose green, uh blue and red or Okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 639.85 640.29 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 640.75 641.01 Yep. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 648.19 648.54 Okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 648.8 649.74 Okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 649.74 652.8 That's uh Um 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 657.88 659.74 So did we miss anything? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 660.06 665.05 Yeah, maybe some uh some text next to the scroll wheel, that it is volume. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 660.12 660.82 It 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 662.38 663.71 Some text uh buttons. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 666.01 666.37 Okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 666.47 666.77 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 667.98 668.53 Yeah, but 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 668.48 669.99 I just uh The volume logo. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 668.5 671.32 No, ma on on o on the on the 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 669.93 672.35 there's one there's one text button I 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 671.21 672.07 Oh wh Here? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 672.47 672.73 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 673.05 675.01 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 673.8 674.17 Okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 674.12 674.87 Just make it 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 677.15 681.96 That's the one uh that you use if you search for a page, uh like seven hundred,
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 681.96 688.29 uh and it's counting from one hundred to two hundred, you will switch to your television and back to text. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 675.15 677.15 There's one text button I prefer. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 688.29 690.06 Do you do you Did you think of that? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 675.36 676.45 Yeah, or th or the 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 687.22 689.94 Yeah, we have that on the the text button. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 687.54 687.87 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 689.26 689.42 Yep. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 694.37 695.91 You just switch it off and then 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 690.88 694.37 Yeah, but then you can switch back to normal telete teletext. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 694.77 696.51 Uh why not? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 696.16 699.13 Yeah, just put it on those extra f extra function as well. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 698.41 699.83 Ex Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 699.83 700.1 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 699.89 701.52 No Whoa 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 702.74 706.12 And if you press it again, you get the the the 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 700.24 702.74 Well w we thought of a text button. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 709.31 709.61 Yes. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 705.82 709.31 I think um Yeah, the three stages. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 705.93 707.01 The sta the state you 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 706.48 708.97 Oh just three stages, you Yeah, that's okay. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 708.19 713.26 Yeah, b but but if you're in the second stage, the third stage is switch teletext off. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 707.26 708.19 through view. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 713.26 716.13 So you can switch back from second to w first. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 707.84 708.22 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 714.53 716.15 No, it doesn't have to turn it off. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 717.02 717.72 No. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 727.61 732.63 and you turn it off, then the next time you turn it on, it still stays on seven hundred? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 723.18 727.61 If you if you turn teletext on, you you set the seven hundred,
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 732.63 734.85 But maybe it's not the way 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 719.04 723.18 It it doesn't uh uh clear the the page. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 717.72 719.04 Just remember where it was. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 717.12 718.07 Just don't 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 719.21 719.47 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 724.36 725.81 Yes, that's to remember. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 731.45 732.31 Okay, okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 732.14 733.34 Yeah, but that's that's uh 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 734.28 735.55 I dunno if 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 734.92 736.74 That's a functionality for the television. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 736.69 738.61 Yeah, I think as well, but Uh yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 739.19 740.56 Mm. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 740.56 743.64 That's maybe one thing we can discuss about. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 741.78 751.96 Yeah mm nee uh No, if i uh the remote can send like the the code for seven hundred, page seven hundred to the television. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 751.96 753.84 Th th th if you switch it on. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 751.92 754.57 Yeah, in thi the the remote control in the 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 752.97 753.23 Okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 755.05 757.14 Yeah, but you have to search every time again. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 759.29 761.76 But it's still the television that has to do that. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 757.14 759.29 That's what what happening if you do it like that. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 755.28 755.7 Th i 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 755.56 755.92 the chip. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 759.1 759.77 Yeah, that's true. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 761.27 761.69 Okay. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 760.13 761.27 Yeah, I dunno. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 762.81 765 Um do we need to fix that or 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 762.01 762.81 So yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 765.2 770.06 Mm most new T. V. s do uh collect all the pages. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 765.39 766.75 No, that's what the television does. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 770.47 771.95 Yeah, those memory functions. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 770.98 773.76 But uh not not every every television, so 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 776.88 777.68 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 777.68 780.62 Was uh this logo for uh volume? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 780.62 780.91 Okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 777.58 778.26 Okay, it's cool. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 779.98 780.79 Yeah, that's fine. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 785.68 786.26 So that's it? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 786.22 787.63 Is this prich pretty much it, yeah? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 791.32 792.44 Uh the buttons? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 792.44 794.5 Uh from which material are they now? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 788.75 791.32 Yeah, I I thought about one thing. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 796.96 797.92 Just hard plastic. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 794.43 795.11 Mm. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 797.92 798.27 So 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 795.11 796.96 No no Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 794.94 796.64 Just like your telephone, hard plastic. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 797.68 798.47 Okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 807.51 813.06 are uh And maybe we can write the numbers below or above? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 813.06 815.97 Or shall we just turn it on on the buttons? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 798.47 807.51 Because um if you use it a couple of years, some uh sometimes the numbers on the on the buttons are slide away 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 798.53 801.28 It's too expensive to make it from a different material anyway. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 816.13 817.88 I think just on the buttons. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 817.88 822.08 If you do it abo above or below, it takes uh more space. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 816.56 817.94 Uh I think just um 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 821.47 822.17 Well yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 822.17 823.58 That's too much place. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 825.18 825.84 Yeah, but 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 825.2 826.15 Okay, just leave it. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 826.15 826.61 Just leave it. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 825.45 827.42 I don't think the space is worth it. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 827.67 828.27 Yeah, and i 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 827.72 831.65 I think uh you have that problem more often with rubber buttons. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 829.4 830.33 The most time 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 831.28 832.17 Yeah, with rubber buttons. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 832.17 833.45 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 835.49 836.12 Okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 836.12 836.68 Fine. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 837.34 838.34 Okay, cool. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 836.46 837.34 Yeah? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 847.14 848.19 Mm mm mm mm mm. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 852.62 855.02 But I think we just evela evaluated this one. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 851.43 852.62 Yeah, I don't know what this means. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 860.88 863.99 I d d d I don't think if it's right. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 855.12 860.88 Yeah, I made some criteria uh, so we can uh ev evaluate our model. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 863.99 865.41 That shall show it. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 856.8 858.04 Oh okay, you made some criteria. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 858.04 858.62 Okay, cool. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 860.56 860.83 Okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 870.95 874.61 You have some usability criteria or Okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 874.73 879.31 Uh no, uh all criterias we just argue about. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 879.31 879.78 Uh 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 873.61 874.73 Mm-hmm. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 881.08 881.31 Oh. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 881.34 881.93 In the bottom. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 884.92 885.32 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 885.38 886.11 Look-and-feel? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 886.55 887.25 Evaluation crit 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 886.88 888.21 No, evaluation is 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 888.69 889.9 Yeah, evaluation presentation. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 893.55 894.12 It's not in. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 897.38 901.87 Uh d it doesn't matter um It only had two pages or something. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 920.05 920.92 And 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 903.63 917.13 Um well I looked in the reports um from the marketing strategy, or uh of uh the the the the the the new needs and uh the market. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 917.13 920.05 The Italians uh, how they think about it. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 922.68 930.81 The research uh about uh the the comp uh the the the users and that kind of stuff. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 930.81 936.15 I made some criteria, and we have to test the criteria from one to zero. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 936.15 943.23 We sh we we we can give it uh a number, and then we can give ourself an average for our 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 944.24 944.57 Okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 944.91 946.91 um model. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 951.73 956.89 And um we have to discuss about, if we give it a one or a seven. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 946.91 951.73 And this These are all I I I found, or I wrote down. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 956.89 957.31 Uh 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 946.98 947.32 Okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 957.04 960.14 Uh I think uh if you have a kind of iPod idea. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 960.14 961.56 It quite beautiful. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 961.56 961.8 It's 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 979.45 979.97 The LEDs. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 971.81 979.45 And fancy's more like the mm uh f the flashing lights and the colours and and that kind of stuff. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 963.22 971.81 Yeah, the the the difference be between uh beautiful and fancy uh look-and-feel is uh the the the outside uh beautiful uh like the iPod or something. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 962.26 963.22 Yes. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 962.77 962.91 Mm. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 962.99 964.43 We are actu We are the 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 973.76 974.41 Flashy. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 978.66 979.39 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 979.39 986.48 Well I think we do If it's really uh, if you can if you can get the iPod look, then it's beautiful, I think. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 986.22 987.46 Yes. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 993.18 996.41 The basic colours are black or green or yellow? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 996.41 997.63 Or you haven't thought about 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 987.46 993.18 And and what ki what kind of what kind of basic colours uh were you thought uh of? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 987.49 988.46 But uh 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 987.98 990.42 Yeah beautiful's is also a matter of taste. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 992.54 992.73 Hmm? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 996.54 998.57 Um basic colours, um yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 998.57 1000.36 Well you didn't say. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1000.36 1002.16 Maybe um company colours? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 999.25 1000.78 Ho how do we make uh 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1002.65 1003.26 It's black. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1003.69 1005.15 Black and yellow. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1005.15 1005.68 Can 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1003.75 1004.05 Black. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1005.05 1005.83 Yeah, yellow light. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1008.94 1009.25 It's 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1006.69 1008.94 No, not really, but it's possible. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1005.83 1006.69 Do we have yellow light? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1005.07 1006.17 A bit a bit of yellow. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1007.73 1010.92 Not not not yellow, but just a bit of light yellow. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1011.9 1012.88 Black white, maybe? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1013.56 1016.66 Like white, also ni or uh always nice. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1016.4 1018.33 And what colours should the buttons be? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1016.82 1017.28 Uh 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1018.73 1020.14 Because um 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1020.62 1021.35 This is 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1019.54 1020.62 Yeah, different colours. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1021.37 1022.36 Just um 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1022.51 1025.29 Oh, the same as th th the cover. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1025.29 1027.3 But also th the light behind it. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1026.44 1029.64 But can you change those too, with uh the switch? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1026.72 1027.04 Yes. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1028.91 1030.25 No, no. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1030.25 1033 Make them No, just make them black or grey or something. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1033.42 1034.73 Just dark grey I think. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1032.77 1033.42 Yeah, grey. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1035.03 1035.36 Okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1035.1 1035.26 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1036.41 1040.63 Okay, so what uh number do we give uh a beautiful? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1040.63 1045.86 Beautiful is uh really subjective, uh because it has to do lots with the colours. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1045.83 1047.52 Well we have changeable fronts, so 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1048.41 1051.65 Changeable fronts, so ev for everyone for everyone it's something beautiful. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1050.18 1050.61 So 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1052.82 1053.73 It's perfect. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1055.84 1056.44 Or not? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1053.73 1055.84 I think it's just what you want. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1051.21 1052.24 Yeah, just give it a one. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1052.24 1052.82 It's okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1051.57 1051.91 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1056.59 1058.41 It's hard to decide for us, but yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1059.31 1060.77 It's ju so subjective. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1058.07 1059.31 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1059.64 1063.71 It it's At least it's a lot better than uh current remote controls. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1064.88 1065.34 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1065.32 1068.91 Okay, just give it a two. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1067.74 1068.35 Okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1066.71 1067.74 A two. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1082.77 1083.17 So 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1071.88 1077.7 That's about our uh flashing lights and the background uh lights uh from from from the buttons. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1069.93 1071.88 The fancy look-and-feel. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1077.7 1078.57 Okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1078.57 1082.77 And we can change the colours, so that's uh really fancy I think. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1077.21 1077.46 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1081.79 1082.19 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1092.58 1092.83 Yeah? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1090.19 1092.58 Or n no back light? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1082.66 1083.3 One more thing. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1083.3 1090.19 Are w are we changing uh Or are they there uh backlights on the slide panel too? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1091.64 1092.25 Slide panel? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1094.08 1094.75 Not needed. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1092.71 1094.08 Mm. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1093.19 1094.26 No. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1094.26 1096.93 No, it's only on the number, behind the numbers and uh 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1096.25 1097.47 Yeah, not needed I think. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1097.08 1099.8 And and the switch channel is uh There is a back light too? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1098.85 1100.83 Oh, you mean th this here? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1099.11 1100.18 That as well, yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1100.05 1100.38 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1101.02 1101.27 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1101.05 1102.29 Yeah, but that's unnecessary. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1102.59 1104.56 What do I think is necessary necessary item? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1108.76 1113.08 That's that's really fancy, but I don't know if it's reachable. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1104.29 1104.96 It's pretty cool. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1104.96 1108.76 If you slide it open, it lights up. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1110.08 1110.35 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1113.3 1114.45 Of course it's reachable. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1115.89 1116.8 It doesn't make 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1116.05 1118.85 Then we do it. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1117.13 1118.05 Hmm. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1121.28 1123.4 So you can see what's really there. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1117.49 1121.28 Okay, maybe just some light uh to to light it all up. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1125.94 1128.38 Just a green light or some blue light. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1123.4 1125.94 Not just not re on the buttons or something. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1125.75 1126.13 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1125.22 1125.75 No. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1129.64 1130.33 To light it all up. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1129.65 1131.08 Yeah, but 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1130.54 1131.39 But Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1131.39 1132.07 Mayb Okay. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1139.79 1141.42 So the buttons are just grey. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1134.55 1139.79 And th and the the normal backlights also not the buttons, but behind the buttons. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1133.29 1134.55 Not not the buttons. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1131.61 1133.29 Yeah, just backlight. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1134.71 1134.92 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1141.91 1142.52 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1141.98 1142.64 Well yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1142.64 1143.89 Uh semi-transparent. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1144.16 1145.63 Yeah, just only Yeah, that's right. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1144.45 1144.88 Okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1146.74 1148.15 Okay, fine. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1148.15 1151 So I I think it's very fancy. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1151 1152.16 So I'll give it a 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1148.14 1148.78 So 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1150.61 1151.6 Yeah, that's how I think. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1151.17 1154.83 Yeah, w we've done a a lot of detail in light, so 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1155.48 1157.69 Yeah, and you can uh also choose your light, so 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1155.9 1156.04 Ye 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1159.58 1159.93 It's cool. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1157.8 1158.91 Yeah, this It is a one. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1158.91 1159.58 It's okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1158.17 1158.38 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1159.44 1160.16 I think it's one. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1164.39 1165.24 Learnable? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1162.61 1164.39 Okay, next. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1165.24 1166.4 Easy to use? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1163.24 1167.86 This is a difficult one, because we we don't Yeah, we don't know it about the 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1167.52 1169.72 Yeah, we shall test it But uh 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1170.04 1174.31 Uh it's it's very easy to use, but uh the second layer is not easy to use. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1174.31 1175.01 It's That's 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1171.86 1172.09 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1180.09 1182.45 That's th that's the main thing that's so good about it. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1176.89 1180.09 And you on don't have to pay attention to that second layer. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1175.04 1176.89 No, but you don't have to use that. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1175.58 1176.04 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1180.17 1180.39 No. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1182 1185.32 So I think it's easy to use, but And learnable is a bit 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1184.38 1185.26 Learnable? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1193.51 1197.91 but the first time you get this thing in your hands, it's not to use the scroll wheel. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1197.91 1204.7 I think uh you must uh seek for it, and up or down or Uh then the re 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1185.26 1189.36 It's not not as fast as a usual uh uh remote control. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1189.36 1193.51 Because because I think I think the scroll wheel, uh it's very handy,
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1189.32 1190.3 Well, I think it is. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1189.9 1191.41 Well y just uh f 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1203.22 1205.99 But the rest of it is very easy, because there are so so n 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1205.6 1207.97 Yeah, I think it's very clear what it all does. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1207.1 1213.38 So so few information that you can easily decide what buttons w for what function. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1209.7 1209.94 Yes. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1210.77 1211.27 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1214.71 1215.59 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1214.74 1218.33 But the second parts, uh like speech, etcetera, that will be harder to learn. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1219.88 1223.89 So it is learnable um f i i In the first place it's very easy to use. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1223.89 1232.64 And I think its scrollwheel is u easy to use as well, if you have ever used uh a different kind of uh of uh device. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1219.97 1220.55 Okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1221.84 1222.14 But 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1222.32 1224.6 It's Yeah it's 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1243.05 1249.94 So we h we have speech, uh the scroll wheel, and um the the the slide. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1236.15 1243.05 And maybe we uh maybe learnable is in uh compare of old fashion uh remote controls. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1231.26 1236.15 But we we've got the two so two uh two or three uh new things, huh? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1249.94 1250.82 You must slide it. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1230.77 1231.26 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1231.3 1231.81 Device. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1258.47 1260.58 Because easy to use comes after learnable. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1253.91 1258.47 'Cause I think learnable is a l a less than um easy to use. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1251.15 1253.91 And that's not normal at the uh normal remote controls. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1260.58 1262.3 I I think it a three or something. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1254.01 1254.68 But yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1258.76 1259.22 Okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1259.88 1262.61 Okay, just Easy to use is very cool, so just give it a two. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1263.3 1264.44 Maybe three then. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1264.44 1265.32 Learnable's 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1265.46 1270.93 No, but definitely better, much better than uh than uh than avera average, yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1265.63 1266.78 Mm uh. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1268.65 1271.04 The normal. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1271.04 1274.65 And the one you showed is just all buttons and you don't know 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1270.71 1270.97 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1269.83 1270.71 Yeah okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1274.43 1275.06 Yep, true. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1276.27 1276.79 Then a two. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1281.6 1283.64 Techno technological innovative? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1277.27 1280.47 Okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1280.47 1281.6 New features. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1276.55 1277.27 Oh. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1277.15 1277.35 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1279.96 1280.56 Okay. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1286.02 1286.34 Colour. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1283.65 1286.02 The speech function and the colour. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1284.73 1286.9 The speech function is new. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1286.9 1288.43 The scrollwheel and the slide. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1288.43 1290.54 Uh I think the slide is pretty new. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1285.88 1289.58 And the scrollwheel, backlights, slide. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1291.96 1292.95 I already have a 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1289.48 1291.49 Slide is not n is is not new. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1291.49 1291.96 No. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1292.02 1295.35 Uh I only saw it in a telephone, not in an remote control. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1298.09 1299.2 And they all have a slide in it. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1301.63 1301.93 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1294.15 1298.09 Uh I already have a V. C. R. and it's about from nineteen eighty eight. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1299.2 1301.63 So that's not new. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1296.93 1297.77 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1299.24 1302.3 But also slide that buttons come out, as well? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1302.3 1302.78 Okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1307.6 1308.76 Scrollwheel. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1306.52 1307.6 The lighting's new. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1302.88 1305.22 Okay, and the the the lightning? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1305.22 1306.52 Is that new? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1308.76 1309.33 Speech? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1305.93 1307.3 Yeah for a Uh for a f 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1304.95 1305.93 That's cool. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1307.19 1308.88 Mm it's pretty new, I think. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1307.54 1307.82 Yes. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1310.33 1311.07 Speech is new. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1312.05 1313.65 Different colours, so 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1313.82 1317.33 Yeah, different fronts for a remote control, I think that's new too. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1318.36 1318.67 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1318.49 1318.68 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1318.96 1320.49 So we have a pretty new uh 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1320.17 1323.36 There are no games on it, that's that's It's not a one, it's a two again. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1323.36 1323.94 But 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1320.46 1321.99 That would And we didn't uh 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1322.84 1325.36 It's it's it's not not L. C. D. or something. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1326.78 1328.77 We are forgetting about that now, but 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1324.68 1326.78 But then we also have the the home station. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1325.46 1326.08 If you have 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1331.45 1332.3 Rechargeable. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1329.61 1330.34 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1330.34 1331.45 Oh yeah, that's right. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1329.67 1330.16 Uh-oh. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1331.21 1331.91 Home-station. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1331.47 1333.04 We don't recharge. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1332.44 1334.6 Yeah, we didn't draw that too, but 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1335.06 1336.26 But that's more like uh now. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1336.5 1338.63 Yeah, just draw it afterwards. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1337.68 1340.28 Yeah, that's just a normal th s simple thing. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1339.63 1340.23 I don't know. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1340.77 1344.33 If you Can you save it on the same, in the same map as the other ones? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1344.33 1346.06 In the the project uh map? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1344.89 1345.31 Uh 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1347.06 1348.28 Just save, save as? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1348.51 1348.8 Mm-hmm. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1347.99 1348.51 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1351.38 1352.14 Uh save as? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1352.14 1353.21 No, that's not in the project. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1355.54 1356.91 L like number seven. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1354.14 1355.54 Well it's a already in the folder. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1357.12 1358.4 Oh yeah, okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1358.4 1359.06 Smart board. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1359.06 1359.7 Yeah, but this one. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1357.96 1358.5 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1358.61 1358.85 Okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1361.34 1363.45 This one is not yet in the Oh oh. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1364.41 1365.04 I think it is. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1368.86 1369.26 Yeah, it is. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1369.07 1370.02 No, I think it is. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1374.29 1374.57 Save. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1372.23 1374.29 Yeah, it doesn't matter. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1370.78 1372.23 Uh untitled? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1376.47 1376.87 Okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1376.89 1379.9 Uh all the the seven, uh all the seven. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1377.17 1379.54 But you still have to draw the resi the recharger. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1380.14 1383.41 And new features, so we give it a two or also again a one? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1383.41 1387.19 No, I think i if you have games on it, then then you give you have a one. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1379.54 1380.14 Okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1387.19 1387.75 But not 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1389.57 1390.45 Tha tha that 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1386.86 1389.57 No, we are not extraordinary new or something. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1389.29 1390.59 No, just so it's still a two. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1389.69 1391.82 Mm two, I think. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1389.91 1390.12 N 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1395.5 1396.14 Do we like it? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1392.24 1393.36 Targeted audience. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1393.36 1395.5 Uh we are the targeted audience? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1401.41 1401.92 Yes. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1395.66 1401.41 No, we we we searched for uh um a young group, audience, beneath f forty. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1401.42 1404.27 So we we are exactly the targeted group. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1399.45 1401.42 Yeah, but l younger than forty. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1409.77 1410.95 Th that's my question. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1404.22 1409.77 Yeah, but did we reach, um with our uh style, the targeted audience? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1411.3 1413.09 You get the fancy things for younger people. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1410.19 1411.3 I think so, yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1416.34 1417.13 So you want 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1413.09 1416.34 And you get the the aesthetic things for older people. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1413.13 1413.52 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1420.86 1421.31 So 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1416.2 1420.86 We've got a one for fancy look-and-feel, and that's what attracts the young audience. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1419.84 1420.3 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1422.04 1422.74 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1422.74 1431.3 Um the only point is that we don't uh have uh uh That's that's That's this question. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1422.75 1424.97 think that's a two or a one. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1432.84 1436.06 Yeah, but s it That's basically not not handy. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1436.06 1439.24 And I don't thi I don't see 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1440.25 1441.78 So we targeted it? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1439.59 1440.25 Yeah, this. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1440.25 1441.24 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1443.07 1445.53 But we didn't follow the latest trends. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1443.94 1444.47 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1447.28 1447.8 No. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1449.42 1451.82 Yeah, you could make a a front 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1450.98 1452.48 I think we followed the latest trends. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1449.97 1450.98 Mm. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1452.84 1456.88 a front that's that's like uh like a banana, or something. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1453.37 1458.39 Tha these are the only latest uh trends I uh get on my computer. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1457.02 1458.32 Oh right. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1458.32 1461.02 Well uh fruit and vegetables, yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1461.02 1462.57 You can different front uh 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1460.46 1461.72 Yeah, you get different colours. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1462.32 1466.1 Uh yeah, th So we had we uh have uh a fruit uh 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1463.41 1463.83 So 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1464.56 1467.51 Like a a f banana kind of front. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1468.15 1470.26 But spongy will never be. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1466.9 1468.15 Oh yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1470.54 1470.84 No. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1471.77 1473.6 So we give ourself a three or something. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1474.56 1474.8 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1475.85 1476.22 Oh. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1477.68 1478.23 Okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1478.57 1479.56 So that's eleven. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1479.94 1481.25 That's uh 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1485.03 1485.64 What's the average? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1485.49 1488.9 It's Yeah, it is one point eight three. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1485.61 1487.28 Eleven divided by six. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1493.64 1495.74 A perfect score. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1495.74 1496.53 No, I don't know. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1496.99 1499.28 We're not too hard on ourselves. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1502.19 1504.03 So you can see how far it's charged up. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1498.65 1502.19 This is a a power indicator. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1502.12 1502.52 Okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1504.53 1508.18 And and you need n uh a button to call it, to let it beep. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1504.8 1505.24 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1508.23 1509.88 To call. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1509.88 1510.59 Um 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1509.92 1511.22 Oh yeah, that's still 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1509.97 1510.62 Call 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1510.67 1512.83 Yeah, but uh we have to make a speaker then too. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1512.83 1513.92 If you want to make it beep. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1513.71 1515.27 Yeah, maybe we have to skip that one. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1513.89 1514.39 Okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1516.09 1518.44 That's Yeah, but it 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1516.51 1517.69 No no, I want that in. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1517.94 1521.94 But we can we can do it uh underneath the logo. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1521.76 1523.64 That's usable. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1519.25 1521.76 No, we need that. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1523.64 1524.55 That's really usable. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1523.28 1524.2 If you do uh 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1523.84 1524.36 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1524.64 1527.44 Yeah, th the speaker is very small as well, right? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1527.41 1528.04 Yeah, okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1528.3 1529.63 It's uh 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1529.88 1532.69 So I just got a financial um 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1529.92 1530.49 Yes uh. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1537.55 1539.58 You s saved it or 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1539 1539.32 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1541.68 1542.85 I did save it. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1551.55 1551.79 No. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1557.54 1559.95 If I forgot anything, just say it to me. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1554.04 1557.54 Okay, let's have a look at this one here, the production cost of it. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1569.07 1574.4 So I think we are pretty much in the right direction, because it's twelve point three Euros. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1561.41 1567.23 Yeah, there are some that they didn't mention, because recharge is not on the list. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1567.23 1569.07 But okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1560.44 1561.41 It just is a battery. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1573.11 1574.39 Mm okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1574.85 1577.75 That's fine. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1576.01 1577.86 But uh is uh uh 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1577.5 1580.98 So this is a regular chip incl and and a sample speaker. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1581.78 1582.2 Okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1582.4 1583.09 So that's both. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1584.33 1586.18 Uh twelve point three point three. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1583.2 1584.33 Come on, it's perfect. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1585.68 1588 Yeah, and single curved curved. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1587.38 1591.43 But but is it inc Does it include a a homestation or 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1591.38 1592.55 No, that's not on the list. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1592.55 1594.05 But that shouldn't be. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1593.26 1597.79 Can we make that for uh h twenty cents? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1595.88 1599.89 Yeah, we can uh 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1597.34 1605.47 I just The b the button supplements, I didn't I d I was wondering if this special colour maybe was I'm not sure. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1596.98 1597.34 Probably. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1604.67 1607.8 Um different fronts, but standard front won't be, yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1608.24 1609.49 See it's I think it's okay like this. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1608.56 1610.48 Special form, yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1620.15 1621.31 We get different ones, that's all. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1611.84 1616.04 But maybe we have to um Yeah, okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1611.04 1611.84 It's hard to say. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1616.04 1620.15 Special colour, you can skip this one, because it's all quite normal. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1619.58 1619.81 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1627.51 1629.5 But this is expensive, the sample speaker. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1623.3 1627.51 So you can put a recharger in it as well. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1630.46 1630.77 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1631.35 1631.62 This? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1632.36 1632.61 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1632.41 1633.18 Yeah, it's four. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1633.43 1634.38 It's four Euros. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1632.73 1633.43 Four. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1635.79 1637.46 Oh, them. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1637.46 1639.66 Is that uh included? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1639.66 1643.56 In the twelve Euro or Okay, then we then we need to use it. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1638.44 1640.3 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1640.3 1641.11 So we are 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1640.72 1641.5 Yeah, that's included. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1641.24 1646.01 It's kind of weird that we we get this information now, afterwards. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1646.01 1646.55 Because 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1646.73 1648.94 Yeah, no. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1648.94 1651.44 Okay, so this is uh pretty much it this. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1647.23 1647.48 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1652.94 1655.11 Damn, solar cells are uh expensive. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1654.93 1659.7 So I just want you Yeah, we just made it. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1659.7 1663.67 So we can do the project evalu evaluation now for uh 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1665.12 1666.31 for everything together. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1666.39 1667.01 Okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1673.23 1673.56 Okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1676.91 1680.59 We can do some discussion about this. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1680.59 1682.21 Was there room for creativity? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1683.85 1684.25 Sure. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1686.32 1687.13 Yes. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1694.01 1694.33 Okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1695.19 1699.78 Paul, was there room for crea creativity? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1697.09 1698.73 Beautiful. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1702.1 1704.78 I think uh everyone uh already. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1704.78 1705.08 So 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1700.2 1702.1 Mm uh i Yeah, I think so. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1706.2 1709.1 Yeah m If we got a high mark for um 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1710.67 1714.57 uh innovativeness or innovativity 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1714.59 1715.11 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1715.2 1716.25 Or a different style. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1715.71 1718.57 then there we probably have been creative. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1718.99 1719.4 So 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1716.68 1718.99 I think we uh discussed a lot of things about it. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1719.52 1719.69 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1719.83 1720.34 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1721.78 1725.57 We could make a lot of different uh remote controls. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1725.57 1727.45 So it's creativity. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1724.81 1725.55 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1729.04 1729.42 Huh. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1737.11 1739.27 Okay, so the leadership 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1740.56 1742 Was there a leadership and 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1743.21 1744.1 Of course there was. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1744.49 1744.94 Okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1747.66 1748.63 What do you have to say about that? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1748.9 1750.63 No, I think Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1748.9 1753.03 Who was the leader? 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1750.54 1751 I dunno. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1755.26 1755.51 Not 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1752.16 1755.26 Just normal discussion, I think. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1756.09 1757.41 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1757.67 1759.05 one leader or something. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1759.42 1760.36 One leader to 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1762.07 1763.54 check the time, etcetera. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1764.45 1765.24 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1765.24 1769.2 And make notes. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1767.07 1768.14 Yeah, I know. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1770.05 1771.37 So more like a secretary. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1771.81 1772.13 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1771.99 1776.38 Okay, next one. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1781.45 1787.5 We were not all We were not um agree with every not agree with. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1787.5 1788.67 We're not finished. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1776.38 1781.45 Uh team work um The the third meeting I think that one was pretty hard. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1785.07 1786.48 Yeah yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1786.48 1787.46 We were not finished. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1786.94 1792.68 Yeah, w we had so much information, that we get through email and just 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1789.88 1790.34 Uh. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1800.12 1806.67 If we knew that before, we could have uh had discussion really uh s really quicker. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1795.98 1798.71 I think that was the m biggest problem. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1792.26 1795.98 Uh I think we we got wrong information at the wrong time. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1798.71 1800.12 Like uh the prices. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1798.08 1798.35 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1798.59 1798.99 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1802.76 1803.64 Yeah, th that's weird. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1807.2 1807.89 Yeah, because 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1809.4 1812.4 the prices uh could be twenty Euros or something now. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1812.4 1813.4 And then 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1811.95 1814.72 Yeah, and if you had uh fifteen Euros, then we would it. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1814.72 1815.9 We had to 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1815.14 1816.87 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1815.48 1816.29 Hmm hmm yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1817.99 1819.2 Yeah, finance. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1819.52 1823.49 So we're bacal basically just lucky to uh get the price right. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1822.48 1822.79 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1825.62 1826.82 But the teamwork was okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1830.32 1830.98 And uh 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1827.13 1830.32 Yeah, uh everybody could speak their uh opinion. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1834.89 1839.25 Like marketing said things and then we had to i include them in the design. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1831.8 1834.89 I think uh everyone listen to each other. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1834.28 1834.47 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1839.46 1839.88 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1841.35 1841.56 'Kay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1849.65 1855.83 But if you want to download it to your computer, it's doesn't work. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1845.51 1847.73 The smart board is okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1847.73 1848.82 Digital pen is horrible. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1855.83 1856.06 No. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1842.84 1845.51 Yeah, what I have to say about uh means. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1848.82 1849.65 I dunno if you use it. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1854.1 1854.73 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1865.31 1866.86 Yeah, more accurate. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1863.55 1865.31 Just not work too slow. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1856.07 1863.55 Well uh smart board would be very uh nice to work with, if it worked really well. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1854.21 1856.07 It was Just doesn't work. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1856.65 1857.87 Digital pen or 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1858.36 1860.5 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1863.35 1866.83 Yeah, i if if it would be faster, it would be great. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1863.9 1868.01 Yeah, the drawings are are hard to make, I think. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1868.34 1870.68 Yeah, it's i It should be more accurate. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1870.85 1871.57 Precise. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1871.08 1871.4 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1873.23 1878.62 And uh I think it would be great if you could edit it from, just with a mouse, from where you're sitting. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1878.57 1878.87 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1879.73 1881.73 Not just pointing out on it. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1884.46 1886.86 That's much easier than standing there. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1886.86 1887.78 And so you've 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1881.26 1883.63 It's the same for the presenta for the presentations. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1883.63 1884.46 You can do it from here. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1886.04 1886.29 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1887.86 1889.82 Yeah, and p just point with a mouse. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1896.38 1897.48 It's just slows down. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1894.07 1896.38 No use to draw on the board itself. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1897.89 1898.07 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1897.98 1898.32 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1899.81 1903.9 Just old fashioned kinda blackboard style. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1903.9 1907.33 But you might as well do it in normal computer style. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1902.11 1902.43 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1904.24 1905.68 Yeah, like. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1908.06 1911.2 Yeah, even harder to draw like this than black board style. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1910.31 1910.61 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1909.63 1910.31 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1912.24 1914.18 And it's far too slow this way. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1914.27 1914.47 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1916 1916.42 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1917.06 1919.81 You cou You could draw on it, but not as main function. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1920.32 1920.58 No. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1921.19 1922.99 I think Yeah, okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1923.66 1924.5 Digital pen. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1931.01 1932.54 And we made a remote control. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1929.19 1931.01 So we made it in time. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1933.03 1935.01 We did it. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1936.09 1937.36 In the budget, yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1939.11 1940.08 New ideas found. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1942.77 1943.5 New ideas. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1944.56 1945.01 What's that? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1944.82 1945.54 Oh 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1944.94 1945.99 For for for 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1947.57 1948.03 Just 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1945.9 1947.57 I don't know what it mean. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1948.14 1949.68 I just think if we uh 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1951.8 1954.03 To gather, or to uh 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1956.76 1959 work together, uh or new ideas for 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1959.26 1960.14 I dunno. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1961.61 1962.91 No, for the project. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1959.46 1961.61 For remote control probably. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1963.64 1967.33 For remote control, a favourite for your text. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1970.91 1971.27 Hmm. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1971.06 1973.51 No, for the prototype. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1973.51 1974.17 New ideas. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1977.52 1982.49 Yeah, but still, you couldn't make a fancy a f you couldn't make a a prototype out of this. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1982.49 1986.48 Because we don't have any sizes and 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1986.48 1987.33 Yeah. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1987.33 1988.7 But it's for the next team. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1988.7 1989.88 We don't have to do that. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1988.64 1992.95 Yeah, but it You can't possibly do that in such a short time, I think. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1989.26 1990.2 That's for. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1998.88 2001.57 Yeah, this this is just the idea phase, the 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2001.8 2003.9 Yeah, just brainstorming basically. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2003.68 2003.96 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2006.29 2007.22 Details uh 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2021.69 2022.99 So are we finished? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2023.19 2023.74 Hmm. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 2023.79 2026.36 Yes, I think just I just write a final report. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2026.89 2028.24 Okay. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2028.24 2028.79 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2027.22 2027.84 Quite early. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 2029.16 2030.44 No, we have only 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 2032.96 2033.46 Uh it's okay. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 2031.8 2032.96 four minutes left. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2034.35 2035.04 Oh okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2035.35 2036.97 Oh, what do we have to do now. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2036.97 2037.62 Do we uh 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2039.03 2040.97 I thought we were done at four o'clock? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2044.44 2044.88 So 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2041.98 2044.44 It's now quarter past three. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2044.98 2045.15 Yep. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2048.97 2051.34 I should take some pictures uh. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 2051.63 2052.16 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2052.77 2054.46 Mm we can do it afterwards, so 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2053.98 2054.58 Yes. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2059.28 2060.52 Let's play minesweeper. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2062 2063.05 I found it as well. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2060.93 2062 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2063.14 2067.1 Ti-din ti-din. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2086.09 2087.54 One two three 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2089.21 2091.13 four five six seven cameras. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2095.34 2095.94 Mm not bad. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2184.82 2185.88 So that was it. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2188.19 2189.11 Now we can look at this. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2186.9 2188.19 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2199.42 2199.94 This is 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2199.99 2202.82 We're probably not supposed to look at this, but 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2203.22 2204.53 The old versions. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2205.04 2206.91 Yeah, from the previous group. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2208.3 2209.44 They went for uh 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2215.19 2217.5 Yeah, but also a different device. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2212.8 2215.19 for a universal device. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2213.91 2215.6 The touchscreen, yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2217.73 2218.1 Yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2219.12 2221.14 Then an L. C. D. uh would be handy. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2221.77 2222.04 Hmm. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2223.98 2224.6 Here are the 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2225.96 2228.84 basic functions in here, the selecting dev devices. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2229.23 2233.1 Yeah, and touch screens for all our stuff, yeah. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2233.1 2234.38 I do agree with that. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2232.01 2232.34 Hmm. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2258.02 2258.96 Yeah, tu-dum. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2261.82 2263.17 English is not so hard by the way. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2263.92 2264.26 No. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2269.48 2271.21 I'm breaking a world record here. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2276.42 2277.06 Well, leader? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2281.23 2282.21 Oh shit. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2281.25 2282.3 Project Manager? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2284.64 2286.38 We've got a problem, Paul. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2287.35 2289.23 Yeah, you have to make a choice. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2287.17 2287.35 You do? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2287.77 2288.16 Yes. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2290.12 2290.94 No it's your choice. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2291.57 2292.64 Wow, that's pretty quick. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2293.44 2295.73 Tu-dum. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2296.59 2298.18 Uh uh um 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2298.21 2298.83 Just pick one. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2299.96 2301.85 You have to decide. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2303.73 2304.65 It's the lower one. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2306.57 2309.63 A bomb or not a bo This the bomb? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2305.83 2306.57 What's this? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2307.52 2309.58 No no, the upper one is the bomb. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2309.58 2309.94 Yes. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2311.98 2312.21 Wrong. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2313.5 2315.86 Shit. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2315.86 2318.23 I knew it. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2315.01 2315.71 I knew it. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2328.17 2329.02 Four in a row. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2336.33 2337.21 That's too much work. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2335.5 2336.33 No. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2335.94 2338.46 Uh. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2343.14 2343.5 Come on. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2344.41 2345.63 Is that previous work? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2346.53 2347.29 Yeah, this one. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2347.61 2348.56 I challenge you. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2353.61 2355.12 Oh, that's so stupid. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2359.28 2360.21 No, that doesn't work. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2361.55 2363.31 No, you gotta use the magic pen. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2365.75 2366.21 Hmm. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2367.92 2368.48 What if 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2370.42 2372.05 I put one 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2373.62 2373.89 there? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2374.27 2375.09 That's stupid. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2377 2377.44 We'll see. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2377.81 2378.21 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2383.44 2384.17 I don't agree. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2389.46 2389.96 Mm. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2397.03 2399.04 Sorry. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2398.6 2400.33 Yeah, you had two choices. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2406.54 2407.38 That's gonna be draw. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2414.26 2414.76 Or not. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2416.23 2416.53 Hmm. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2419.69 2420.19 Too bad. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2428.5 2429.12 Then 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2425.58 2428.5 You are going to put it there. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2422.88 2425.58 I'll put it here. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2425.29 2430.29 Yeah, then I put it there. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2430.29 2431.17 No one wins. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2431.07 2434.14 It's a difficult choice, either here or there. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2438.05 2439.56 This is a very interesting design. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2449.12 2450.03 Ugly. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2451.07 2453.04 It's just the same as normal. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2453.71 2454.56 Oh a pen. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2454.42 2457.38 Well it has a L. C. D., I think. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2456.65 2457.45 Yeah, but 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2456.92 2457.56 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2459.27 2460.48 Then do it correctly. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2460.56 2464.08 Stupid design. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2464.08 2466.67 Stupid. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2461.11 2465.46 And what else do we have? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2464.64 2466.69 Stupid, the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2473.42 2477.04 'Kay wait, I'm going to draw something and you must y 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2478.34 2478.55 What? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2480.27 2482.03 Okay, I'm going to guess what you're drawing. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2482.12 2483.17 Okay, blank. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2484.03 2485.21 No no, the new one. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2485.61 2487.28 Oh. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2486.98 2488.1 Uh they just don't save it. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2492.34 2492.73 Um 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2496.63 2497.44 I know uh. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2498.94 2499.38 A house? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2502.03 2504.1 Yeah, you have to use the pen s stupid. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 2503.63 2505.23 You have to save everything, you know that, huh? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2506.31 2507.55 No, not everything. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2508.57 2509.12 Oh. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2508.69 2509.44 Yeah, everything. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2510.98 2512.62 Pen, select select pen. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2511.46 2511.89 Pen. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2512.92 2514.94 It wants to know what we do in our spare time. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2515.88 2516.25 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2518.59 2519.13 It's a house. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2521.69 2522.17 A plant? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2522.66 2524.71 No, it's Only you can know it. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2525.67 2526.69 Oh yeah, I can know it. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2533.16 2534.18 It's a 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2535.6 2537.01 It's uh very hard to draw. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2538.34 2541.25 Okay, that makes it easier. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2547.23 2548.71 I think I know. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2548.71 2549.55 No, wrong. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2555.94 2557.77 Mm. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2557 2560.15 I think I know what you're trying to draw, but it's wrong already. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2560.87 2562.55 It's very 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2568.67 2569.94 Yeah, you missed the right side. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2575 2575.57 Fuck. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2575.57 2575.62 F 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2579.92 2581.69 No, you're wrong, you're wrong 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2581.43 2584.13 A little bit maybe, but 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2599.08 2600.15 See where you're wrong now? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2602.1 2602.88 The entrance. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2602.92 2605.03 Yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2605.19 2606.26 Finish meeting now. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2604.75 2605.19 Warning. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2607.85 2608.79 Alright. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2608.69 2611.28 Okay, the entrance is uh more to the left. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2612.39 2613.23 Warning. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2611.66 2612.39 Warning. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2613.08 2614.02 You're correct. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2616.14 2620.59 But but but I think this part 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2614.79 2616.14 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2621.54 2626.61 Yeah, but I think Oh no you made another mistake. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2626.58 2629.03 Oh. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2629.03 2632.68 Yeah, there are a lot of mistakes, because the walls are thick like this. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2633.21 2636.81 No I w Okay, I'm not that whiny. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2636.81 2640.27 But uh there was a big hole here as well, and there as well. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2639.65 2641.06 Oh, that's true. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2641.06 2642.57 Uh here. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2642.57 2644.22 Yeah, they're walking behind the walls. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2641.79 2642.8 That's a kinda big mistake. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2644.47 2649.69 Warning, finish meeting now. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2651.36 2653.13 Guys, I think we have to finish the meeting. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2654.38 2655.06 Okay. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2657.47 2658.66 'Kay this is a hard one. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2660.74 2660.92 Uh? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2664.78 2666.15 Boom-boa-ring-bing. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2667.9 2668.71 What does it say? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2669.48 2670.82 Fill in the questionnaire. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2675.68 2676.16 What now? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2678.59 2679.24 Come on. 
TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 2687.4 2688.54 Okay, yeah. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2688.1 2688.52 Okay. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2688.33 2688.69 Yep. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2688.5 2689.06 Okay. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2692.08 2693.16 No more chit-chat. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2693.52 2694.54 Oh you gotta finish 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2694.02 2695.28 Che-che-che-che. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2700.84 2702.14 I'm gonna be so lonely. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2696.24 2697.68 over there? 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2697.68 2700.84 In your own room? 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2697.51 2697.81 Yeah. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2700.8 2701.25 Tu-dumm. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2705.15 2705.59 Uh. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2706.09 2708.02 Mm I'll clean that up later. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2710.78 2712.48 This is That's my new interface. 
TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2713.48 2713.98 What's that? 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2715.56 2717.6 That's a uh edited smiley. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2731.86 2732.06 Uh. 
TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2728.86 2731.86 Tom-ti-dom. 
TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2739.71 2740.24 Okay. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 16.94 18.22 Good morning. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 51.89 52.11 Sorry? 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 53.33 54.9 Yeah, busy job. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 62.98 63.45 Good morning. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 71.47 71.68 So 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 74.47 75.93 Oh, good morning everyone. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 76.01 76.48 Good morning. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 76.39 76.89 Good morning. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 77.33 81.09 I'd uh like to welcome you to our first meeting. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 82.9 85 I've prepared a little presentation. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 101.98 106.19 This is uh the agenda for our first meeting. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 112.06 115.33 We'll do a little tool training with these two things. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 93.27 101.98 Um I'm the Project Manager of this project, and uh, well I will tell you on what actually is the project. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 86.77 93.27 My name is and uh I hope you will introduce yourself uh in a few minutes, as will I. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 115.33 116.96 We'll take a look at the project plan. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 106.19 112.06 Um this is the opening, then we will get I will hope we will get acquainted to each other. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 136.03 142.19 Um you have to put your laptop exactly in that field so the little cameras can see your face. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 117.23 118.67 Uh there will be time for discussion. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 122.62 125.73 And then we will close this session. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 118.67 122.62 Actually we have to discuss because we have to create a product. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 142.19 143.32 Um there are cameras 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 125.73 130.8 Um but first of all we I'd like to uh introduce you to this room. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 130.8 136.03 Um as you probably have noticed there are little black uh fields on the table. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 144.46 148.19 everywhere around the room especially here for your face, of course, and this isn't a pie 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 148.19 152.6 it's a a set of microphones and there are microphones here also. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 152.6 154.16 But please uh don't be afraid of them. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 155.4 156.91 They won't hurt you. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 169.91 171.71 Let's start with the ladies. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 156.91 169.91 Um well uh I said I'm the Project Manager and uh I'm hoping uh for a good project and uh I'd like to hear uh who you are and what your functions are uh on this project. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 156.81 157.58 Well 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 171.11 176.41 Well uh I'm uh and my uh function is User Interface Design, 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 178.87 180.76 So uh that's me. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 177.64 178.87 I think. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 181.95 193.17 Okay, uh I'm uh I'm the Industrial Designer and I uh hope to uh look forward to uh a very uh pleasing uh end of this uh project. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 193.39 194.34 Okay, so I. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 194.05 194.41 Me too. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 204.04 208.83 So I also h hope we have a pleasant uh working with uh with each other. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 194.44 194.82 My name's. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 194.82 198.49 I'm uh Marketing Expert. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 198.49 204.04 My job is in the company to promote company or promote products to the customers. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 214.63 215.65 That's good. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 209.01 214.63 Okay, well we have some expertise from uh different pieces of the of the company. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 228.95 234.83 And uh I hope we have the expertise to create such a project such a product. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 226.59 228.95 trendy and of course, user friendly. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 215.65 226.59 Um well I said uh we're working on a project and the aim for the project is to to create a to design a new remote control which uh has to be original,
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 239.05 244.93 It consists of three phases, namely the functional design, conceptual design and detailed design. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 235.11 239.05 Um the way we hope to achieve that is uh the following methods. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 259.77 265.29 I already talked about the cameras and microphones, but they are not of uh much use to us. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 256.11 259.77 But first I will uh tell you something about the tools we have here. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 244.93 255.18 As you can see, all of these phases consists of two parts, namely individual work part and a meeting where we will discuss uh our work so far. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 265.29 265.83 Uh 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 255.18 256.11 Okay. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 268.51 269.86 They are smart boards. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 266.29 268.51 we will have to take advantage of these two things. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 279.82 291.89 Um as you also noticed uh this presentation document is in our uh project folder and every document you put in this folder uh is uh it is possible to show that here in our meeting room. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 269.86 272.81 As you can see, you can give a presentation on them. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 276.74 279.82 I will uh instruct you about that soon. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 272.81 276.74 And uh this one here is a white board. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 302.01 306.67 As you can see, this is the same tool bar uh as is located here. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 306.67 311.76 Um the most functions uh we will use will be to to add a new page,
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 319.41 324.38 Um and this is the pen with which you can draw on the board, for instance 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 292.69 302.01 Um and yeah there are available on both smart boards but I think we will uh mainly use this one for the documents in the shared folder. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 311.76 319.41 um uh to go back and forward between pages, and of course uh to save it every now and then. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 330.51 336.14 Um and then you can write things like test or whatever you want. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 364.37 367.26 Um does everyone understand this 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 351.43 355.84 And um you can also delete an entire page, but we ask you not to do that. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 355.84 364.37 Just simply create a new one and uh start all over because we want to save all the results. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 325.83 330.51 like this if everything's okay, but I first have to put it on the pen, you see I'm new to it too. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 336.14 342.64 As you can see you have to move it a little bit slow, it's not such a fast board, it's a smart board but also a slow board. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 342.64 351.43 Uh but you can write things and of course you can also, when you click here, uh erase things, so we have uh est left. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 331.92 332.1 Oh. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 367.2 369.25 So we can't erase anything. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 367.94 368.27 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 368.12 368.31 Yeah. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 375.42 377.41 I will delete this one now because we don't use it yet. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 368.45 369.58 nice application? 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 369.58 375.42 Well you can erase it with the eraser, but uh you shouldn't delete an entire page, but just create a new blank one. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 373.52 373.62 Right. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 374.09 374.27 S 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 377.44 377.76 Alright. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 378.82 384.32 But you can of course erase when you make a mistake, but don't uh delete entire pages. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 384.32 391.24 And you can also um let's see I think it's here uh change the uh colour of your pen 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 391.24 398.83 for instance take a blue one and uh change the line width like to five. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 398.83 405.18 Um that's what you will need for our first exercise, because I'm uh going to ask you to draw your favourite animal. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 407.32 414.74 It's also to gets to know each other because um I'm asking three things, uh for that uh drawing, to do it on a blank sheet,
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 414.74 421.25 with different colours and I just showed you how to pick a colour, and also with different pen widths which I also showed you. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 421.25 426.54 Um and a favourite characteristic can be just uh one word. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 426.54 430.18 Well I'm not very good at drawing, but I will uh go first 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 409.3 409.47 Okay. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 431.42 433.61 and um try to draw 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 435.56 438.3 Or maybe you should guess what I'm drawing, eh. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 441.53 441.8 Good. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 443.27 443.75 Hmm. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 444.61 446.94 No. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 445.41 446.15 It's a sheep. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 448.55 450.23 Dinos Dinosaur. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 449.32 451.94 Seal, a seal. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 452.82 453.23 Beaver. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 453.42 454.77 A beaver. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 453.59 455.26 A be 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 456.77 457.68 Well it uh 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 457.13 458.58 It's weird. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 458.82 459.6 could be everything. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 460.18 460.55 Mm. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 460.55 461.53 With a tail and a mouth. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 461.43 462.61 Maybe when I put on 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 462.88 463.65 It has wings? 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 463.57 463.82 Turtle. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 464.44 465.03 this thing 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 469.4 473.93 it could be a turtle, or a snail, and 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 471.27 472.88 Snail. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 473.44 475.73 Well the snail doesn't have legs. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 475.96 476.24 Okay. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 478.97 480.55 And those are slow. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 477.74 478.97 But a turtle has. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 493.36 494.48 Would you like to go next? 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 490.33 493.36 Okay, time for another animal. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 482.18 490.33 And I hope our project group will not be slow, but we will uh work to a good result and do it uh as fast as we can. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 500.25 500.99 Mm. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 494.68 497.48 No problem. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 500.99 502.34 It was four months? 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 497.48 500.25 No problem. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 495.19 495.88 Sure. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 498.29 499.04 Oh right. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 509.39 510.19 Nice, okay. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 516.57 517.67 Well. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 529.28 532.27 The hell. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 536.22 541.04 To make it a little bit easier. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 546.4 547.09 It's a giraffe. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 547.94 549.71 Make that cute. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 550.71 552.37 Or a dinosaur. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 552.05 553 No, it's a giraffe. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 558.9 559.88 I think it's 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 557.09 558.9 'Kay. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 561.51 562.94 easy to r uh to 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 579.17 582.16 So that's my favourite animal. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 568.45 575.21 Yeah, the favourite charis characteristic is that the long neck, it can reach everything. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 565.26 568.45 recognise as a giraffe. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 575.21 579.17 And I hope I can also reach a lot with this project. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 566.28 566.98 Yes. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 566.98 567.17 Giraffe. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 566.8 567.04 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 584.25 586.5 Could you write the words, uh underneath it? 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 583.29 584.25 Okay. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 583.6 584.53 Anything else you need to know? 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 586.95 588.6 Oh, uh 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 587.26 588.46 Or more words. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 592.32 594.71 Tall. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 596.53 596.7 Tall. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 597.86 600.01 So, 'kay. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 599.23 599.9 Should I uh 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 603.64 604.24 Alright. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 605.35 606.68 So I can draw, but uh 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 609.58 610.01 Uh. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 612.54 612.96 Well. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 616.89 617.51 Oh. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 621.72 622.74 B 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 621.83 622.44 It's a mouse. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 624.48 627.49 Bunny rabbit. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 625.09 626.98 A bunny rabbit. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 643.7 645.14 Oh wrong one. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 651.71 652.1 Uh. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 657.39 660.35 Well uh you can guess what it is, I hope. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 660.56 661.33 Uh-huh. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 661.33 661.83 No problem. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 661.81 663.36 It's a rabbit. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 663.36 668.69 And uh well uh it's uh quick, I guess. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 662.19 662.97 Little rabbits. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 679.19 681.16 That's uh my uh favourite animal. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 681.37 682.21 Okay, thank you. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 681.41 681.73 Okay. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 686.08 687.2 And our final drawing. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 688.18 688.71 Bob Ross. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 711.25 711.68 Dolphin. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 711.44 712.67 A dolphin. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 711.71 715.98 Okay, um. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 729.74 732.75 One of the most intelligent uh 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 724.34 729.74 Uh I uh draw I I've drawn a dolphin because of its intelligence. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 730.2 730.58 Right. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 732.71 733.13 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 736.42 740.05 animals in our world. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 740.36 740.64 Well. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 745.41 748.29 I've I've uh Eraser. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 742.1 745.41 Yeah intelligent. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 744.76 745.42 With an E. . 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 748.4 750.18 You can try out the eraser now. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 753.01 753.27 Pen. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 757.33 759.56 Well not perfect, but okay. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 759.96 761.52 Okay, well thank you very much. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 761.52 765.1 I can see we have some uh drawing talent uh in this group, huh? 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 764.3 765.78 Not really. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 775.72 781.37 Um from the finance department I have learned that we are aiming for a selling price of twenty five Euros. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 766.79 770.16 Well, nice animals, nice words. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 770.16 771.08 Sounds good. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 771.08 775.72 Um back to business, back to the money part. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 789.62 792.81 And the production cost will be twelve Euro fifty max. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 781.37 789.62 And we're hoping for a aim of fifty million Euros and uh we are hoping to achieve that uh by aiming for an international market. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 807.11 811.99 maybe for which market segments should we aim, or should we aim for all segments. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 800.72 807.11 Uh what's your experience with remote controls, um what kind of ideas do you have to design a new remote control,
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 811.99 814.36 Uh well actually I'd like to hand the word uh back to you. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 797.75 800.72 I've wrote down some examples here of what we can can speak about. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 795.03 797.75 Okay, well it's time uh for some discussion. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 815.57 818.62 What's your experience with remote control? 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 820 821.37 A lot of buttons. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 821.37 823.33 And you always lose them. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 823.33 828.32 A lot of buttons which you don't use or who you don't use Complex. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 820.1 822.41 I always lose them. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 822.41 823.05 Yes. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 821.32 821.54 Yeah. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 824.81 825.09 Yeah. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 826.16 826.45 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 826.63 827.1 Complex. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 828.02 828.27 Yeah. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 830.29 831.24 Not user friendly. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 831.42 834.62 search for the buttons, which one is which and uh 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 831.54 832 No. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 833.91 834.43 No. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 837.15 837.87 Boring. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 838.5 841.14 Boring, it's not fun to use a remote. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 840.32 841.55 No. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 841.55 842.7 Black, all black. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 840.96 841.13 Mm. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 842.24 842.68 Well. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 843.36 843.55 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 843.48 844.97 So, yeah. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 843.94 845.39 Black colours. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 845.67 847.28 Well maybe we should try to make it fun. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 847.44 847.78 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 847.98 852.03 They use batteries and batteries uh and poor signal. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 852.81 853.05 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 853.27 853.49 Yeah. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 853.69 854.22 Uh. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 854.47 856.4 The the angle you have to use. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 854.77 859.97 Perhaps that you have a lot of road remotes r road con remote controls. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 859.97 862.88 Yes, perhaps you can integrate them or something. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 860.79 861.04 Yes. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 857.4 860.79 You had different remote controls for different devices. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 858.56 860.19 Yeah, different remote controls, yeah. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 863.41 865.68 Uh for the use of different uh devices. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 864.71 865.1 Yes. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 866.09 866.19 Yeah. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 866.42 868.04 Your stereo and your T. V. and uh. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 866.52 866.77 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 870.17 871.64 Perhaps that's an idea. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 870.92 876.33 Yeah but then again you you still have a lot of buttons, so 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 875.04 876.52 Yeah, that's right. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 876.52 877.49 And which you don't use. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 876.31 881.24 Yeah but you could uh I thin uh there's a possibility to g uh to uh 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 883.43 890.17 to put those buttons uh behind some uh kind of uh protection so that if y y you only get to see them when you need 'em. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 886.82 887.88 Flap yeah. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 887.9 888.15 Right. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 890.34 895.19 Yeah, okay, that's possible, but it'll get very big the the remote control. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 908.23 914.43 Uh and the volume control uh are only the only possible buttons uh to use directly. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 900.93 908.23 but um the usual buttons such as uh um zapping uh as you call it in Dutch. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 891.83 895.02 That's possible, so that you only get the No n n no 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 917.77 923.15 But uh not uh the buttons used to search on the the channels on your television. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 923.15 925.4 You only use those uh the first time, or. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 895.02 900.93 just Uh for example you got th uh the same size uh remote control you use everyday 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 914.43 917.77 Or uh the numbers, of course. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 894.82 896.59 You should just give it to. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 893.85 894.82 Yeah. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 901.35 901.82 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 907.69 909.95 Changing channel. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 914.32 914.59 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 915.06 915.38 numbers. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 914.32 915.06 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 918.13 918.83 On and off. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 925.78 927.41 Yeah, play, pause, stop. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 926.53 927.35 So. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 927.35 927.65 Uh. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 928.18 932.86 So maybe a a minimalist design, the least uh possible amount uh of buttons. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 927.64 928.18 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 930 931.07 Yeah, I think so, yeah. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 930.89 931.23 Yes. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 932.85 935.92 But you should make sure that you have every button they need on it. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 935.92 941.03 Because uh things for uh teletext, I dunno uh, w what's the name? 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 935.84 936.74 Mm-hmm, of course. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 942.98 944.23 think so. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 944.23 944.58 Okay. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 938.89 942.98 Yeah, uh teletext. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 942.36 942.63 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 949.1 952.23 but on the other hand they need many buttons so they don't have to get out of their seat. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 946.01 949.1 So you don't want to bother people with uh loads of buttons 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 949.11 949.34 No. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 953.73 955.25 But 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 952.87 953.73 Yeah. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 953.05 953.31 Yeah. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 953.88 954.04 Right. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 957.43 960.93 Elderly p el elderly, young people, so. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 954.5 957.43 Because I think a market will be all kind of people. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 967.3 969.93 or so uh that you can choose what you want to see. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 958.8 967.3 But if if it's if it's international you should uh look in think in Britain they have uh different things they can do with the T. V. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 969.93 976.96 I dunno if you should uh take that in consideration, or that you just should aim for the normal T. V. s that uh 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 974.58 975.04 Uh. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 977.44 979.53 Yeah I think that's the better one, because 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 977.54 978.6 Yeah I I understand. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 978.92 980.11 And the B. B. C. . 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 980.9 990.86 I think if you you're going to target a lot of people and the whole world and only Britain then I think the cost will uh rise higher than the twelve fifty 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 990.86 991.29 I think. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 987.07 988.18 No. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 987.71 988.68 Yes. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 991.27 993.67 Yeah, I don't know if the they have that anywhere else, though. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 992.02 995.91 I think the aim is better to use uh the whole world and Britain, yeah. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 995.5 995.94 Yeah. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 996.63 997.97 Yeah, we can leave that. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 997.25 1002.75 When I think of it uh I think the main idea uh of this remote remote control is uh 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 997.62 998.18 Not that much. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1025.54 1029.33 You don't have to integrate the buttons to search the channels on your television. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1029.33 1030.92 In those in that 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1005.59 1011.94 So uh I think uh when p uh when uh the customers will buy this remote control 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1020.84 1025.54 So uh it only has to have uh the most used buttons. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1004.37 1005.59 to make it user friendly. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1011.94 1020.84 they already have uh the remote control which uh companies uh uh with uh the the standards uh remote control with which comes uh with the television. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1015.4 1016.07 Mm. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1016.07 1017.7 Standard deliver. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1015.56 1016.28 Yeah. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1020.56 1020.8 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1020.64 1020.95 Mm. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1029.52 1030.65 No but 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1034.52 1034.89 That's not 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1029.65 1034.52 Well but but then you have to to find your other remote control if you want to search. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1031.81 1032.83 Yeah. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1032.83 1036.4 Yeah, th it it's I think that's not 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1047.68 1056.22 Because uh for example Sony television uh has the opportunity to s to make uh uh to make it possible for to see on one side of the screen uh teletext 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1056.22 1059.03 and on the other side uh just n uh regular television. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1035.1 1046.17 Yeah but I but it is impossible to uh to accommodate uh accommodate uh all the buttons on the s on the difference different televisions sets on one remote control. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1046.17 1047.68 It's impossible. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1059.03 1059.71 Uh 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1042.73 1044.76 Yeah, that's right. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1046.8 1048.03 Yeah, okay. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1056.59 1056.86 No. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1057.11 1059.23 Yeah that's uh. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1059.28 1061.95 I think n m n most televisions nowadays do this. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1062.31 1066.21 Yeah, but uh they don't use the same signal, uh on remote control. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1066.21 1069.89 Because you can't use a Panasonic uh remote control on a on a Philips television. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1063.07 1064.16 Well not everywhere. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1063.57 1065.53 So I think numerals. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1075.1 1077.64 You can use which which type of television you have. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1078.83 1088.18 But I think like the two pages on the same screen, like teletext and normal television, that's that's nowadays standard, I think. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1069.89 1075.1 Yeah, but then you have to choose the this always with r universal remotes you have to choose the code. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1077.64 1078.83 That's no problem. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1073.91 1075.63 Yeah, you can choose the code. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1076.4 1076.79 Okay. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1075.22 1076.4 Okay. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1078.69 1079.25 Okay. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1087.66 1088.01 Okay 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1088.01 1099.47 but uh I think that most people uh th uh will buy the remote control because because uh the first they lost the one they lost first one or the first one is broken,
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1099.47 1110.05 so uh uh perhaps they have a got a an older television, so that option is not uh optional for those uh people. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1095.36 1095.98 Simplicity. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1098.38 1098.88 Yeah. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1099.68 1100 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1104.96 1105.33 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1107.34 1107.63 Yeah. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1107.6 1108.89 Yeah g available. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1109.9 1116.13 But the people have a new television, and c if you look into the future, then they want will want the button, if their thing is broke. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1110.03 1110.26 True. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1114.04 1115.16 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1114.27 1114.77 Yeah. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1116.8 1118.22 So we should take that in consideration. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1118.42 1118.64 Yeah. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1118.56 1118.8 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1119.39 1119.69 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1121.15 1121.55 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1121.59 1123.66 Okay, well any more ideas? 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1128.71 1129.36 Things'll come up. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1125.57 1128.71 Oh mm, no. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1128.03 1128.81 Of course. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1128.21 1128.46 No? 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1128.33 1129.05 Guess not. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1129.75 1129.98 Yeah. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1133.8 1135.82 Let's see what more I have to tell you. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1135.82 1137.71 I don't think there is much left. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1145.7 1148.85 In the meantime uh there's time for some uh individual actions. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1130.25 1133.8 Okay, yeah well we have some time. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1138.17 1139.51 We're starting to close. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1137.71 1138.17 Nope. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1139.51 1145.7 Um our next meeting uh will start well we're a little bit early, but our next meeting will start in in thirty minutes. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1150.69 1154.35 Um, as you can see, the different roles have uh different tasks. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1156.71 1159 And there's a ping. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1159 1159.7 Is it my laptop? 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1159.75 1160 Yeah. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1161.51 1161.89 Yep. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1162.32 1164.07 Stop the meeting now. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1182.51 1184.78 Interface Designer, okay, first guess was right. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1177.77 1179.52 And this was the Interface Designer? 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1179.52 1181.34 Or the Interaction Designer. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1173.46 1177.77 The User Interface Designer will work out the technical functions design. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1184.78 1187.22 Uh will take a look at the the working design. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1181.34 1182.51 Or what was it, I. D. ? 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1163.25 1168.89 Ah well that's good, five minutes and uh the meeting's over, uh right on schedule. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1168.89 1173.46 Um the Marketing Expert will uh will take a look at the user requirement specification. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1163.38 1165.99 Yeah meeting will close in five minutes. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1167.17 1167.41 Okay. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1181.58 1182.6 No interface. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1180.1 1181.58 Hmm hmm. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1180.58 1181.58 Mm. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1181.58 1181.81 No? 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1181.65 1182.54 Interface. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1187.11 1195.2 No, the Industrial Designer will take a look at the working design, and the in uh usability interaction Yeah, okay. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1195.2 1197.03 Okay. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1187.64 1188.7 No the Yeah. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1191.83 1193.72 Industrial Designer, okay, sorry. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1194.25 1197.89 Let's just use the acronyms. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1197.89 1202.8 Um and of course specific instructions uh will be sent to you uh through your personal coach. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1197.85 1198.55 So 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1203.3 1209.33 So I should look at uh what you should be able to do with the remote, or uh, or how I don't really 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1208.61 1213.42 Uh well those instructions will be uh in the email you will receive uh shortly, I hope. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1210.16 1211.61 Right. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1211.61 1212.08 Alright. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1212.97 1214.51 Me too. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1214.58 1217.25 And of course you have your own uh expertise. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1217.25 1219.58 Well uh that was what I had to say. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1219.58 1221.11 Uh are there any more questions? 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1217.67 1218.49 Uh-huh. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1219.78 1220.06 Okay. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1221.95 1222.63 No. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1222.83 1223.25 No. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1223.65 1224.24 No? 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1224.24 1229.38 Okay well I think then we have to head uh back to our offices and uh start working. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1231.42 1234.73 Where does it says we have to make a remote, because I presumed 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1229.48 1231.42 I have one question. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1229.72 1229.98 Okay. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1230.26 1231.31 Okay, one question? 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1231.29 1231.41 Oh. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1239.54 1240.28 She didn't know who. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1243.04 1244.54 Okay, no, no problem. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1247.95 1248.23 Okay. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1245.1 1247.95 No problem. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1253.43 1256.16 Okay well uh see you all in about thirty minutes, then. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1247.44 1253.43 Okay, well I expect everything will be much clearer with the instructions we will receive uh shortly. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1256.16 1256.56 Thank you very much. 
TS3005a H00 MTD017PM 1245.59 1247.44 Okay we're still going. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1246.62 1249.98 No problem. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1249.98 1250.22 Yeah. 
TS3005a H03 MTD020ME 1252.27 1253.18 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1252.33 1252.85 Alright. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1255.97 1257.14 Okay. 
TS3005a H02 MTD018ID 1254.05 1255.97 Alrighty. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1255.7 1255.84 Yeah. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1269.26 1269.91 Yeah. 
TS3005a H01 FTD019UID 1273.73 1276.11 Okay. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 13.79 15.55 Good morning, again. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 48.48 48.99 One question. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 54.67 56.07 Choose a number? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 51.49 54.67 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 53.94 55.56 Send. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 55.56 57.01 Submit. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 74.32 76.08 Yep yep yep yep. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 79.88 81.96 Good. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 78.37 79.88 All set? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 81.96 84.09 Okay. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 78.51 79.25 Mm. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 79.25 79.55 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 79.06 79.31 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 87.9 90.72 Let's see what we can find here. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 104.44 107.21 Um and this is what we are going to do. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 131.19 131.97 Good. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 95.19 96.49 Okay. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 131.97 138.02 And um we will also take a look at new project requirements, um if you haven't heard about them yet. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 118.17 126.15 And uh I also put these as fast as possible in the uh project folder, so you can see them and review what we have discussed. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 146.57 152.33 Um well I don't know who wants to go first with his presentation. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 107.21 113.85 The opening, which we are doing now, um and the special note, I'm project manager but on the meetings I'm also the secretary 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 96.49 100.27 A very warm welcome again to everyone. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 113.85 118.17 which means I will make uh minutes as I did of the previous meeting. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 100.27 104.44 Um here we are already at our uh functional design meeting. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 126.15 131.19 Um if I'm right, there are three presentations, I guess each one of you has prepared one? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 144.22 146.57 But I think we will need it. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 138.02 144.22 And then of course we have to take a decision on the remote control functions and we have some more time, forty minutes. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 130.82 131.35 Yes. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 152.94 153.6 I'll go first yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 152 152.62 I'll go first. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 152.62 152.94 Okay. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 152.82 152.96 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 153.22 153.47 Well. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 153.41 154.43 You can go first, okay. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 155.55 157.26 Well, shall I go first with the users? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 158.61 164.47 Well everybody already has his presentation, so you can adjust it. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 159 160.37 I think well okay no problem. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 160.32 160.99 Is there an order? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 160.99 161.64 I haven't 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 161.69 163.51 Ja precies, ja precies, ja precies 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 163.79 164.03 Huh? 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 163.05 163.79 So. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 164.61 166.72 Okay, um 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 167.57 169.98 And one question, uh your name Denni, is it with a 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 170.66 171.18 E. I. E. . 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 173.47 173.89 Thank you. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 171.4 173.47 I. E. E. I. E., okay. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 184.58 185.21 Um 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 176.67 180.94 Okay, um I wanted to explain the working design of the remote control. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 180.94 184.58 It's possibly very handy if you want to uh design one of those. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 201.15 207.21 um a little connection is made uh the the rubber uh button just presses on a 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 195.07 201.15 Uh when you press a button, uh that's when you do pr for example when you uh want to turn up the volume 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 186.97 195.07 well so it basically works uh as I uh uh r wrote down uh in this uh little uh summary. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 208.79 210.03 Sorry. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 209.01 214.92 on a little print plate uh which uh makes uh uh a connection that uh 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 229.17 247.72 Um uh the the chip uh makes a Morse code uh like uh signal which uh then is si uh signalled to uh several transistors which makes uh which sends the signal to a little let. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 249.15 250.01 Okay. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 247.72 249.15 You know what a let is? 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 221.15 229.17 Uh senses that a connection has been made, and know and knows what button you pressed, becau uh for example the the volume up or volume down button. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 250.01 257.2 And that makes uh the the infra-red lights signal which is sent to the television set. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 216.12 221.15 gives the chips, uh which is uh mounted beneath those uh that plastic of a rubber button. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 257.2 263.16 Uh which has a sensor in it to uh sense uh the signal of the infra-red. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 249.01 249.23 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 264.5 266.05 That's basically uh how it works. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 267.26 278.22 Um the findings uh uh that I found uh searching up some uh detailed information about the remote controls, are that uh they are very easy to produce 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 286.95 295.89 uh just uh fibreglass plate um is b uh is uh covered with uh some uh coatings and uh uh 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 278.22 286.95 uh it is pis uh it's possible to uh make them in mass production because it is as eas it is as easy as uh printing a page 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 299.3 301.14 Uh and the technology's already available 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 301.14 312.08 we don't have to find out how remote controls uh have to work or uh how that how uh to make some chips that are possible to uh to to transmit those uh signals. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 297.13 299.3 and chips. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 314.36 315.52 Uh I made a little uh 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 316.64 317.14 uh 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 318.45 322.58 animation of about how a tran our uh remote controller works. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 321.39 321.98 Oh right. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 322.91 325.63 Animation. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 326.97 327.84 we tel 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 327.83 329.18 There is something turning. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 329.27 329.53 There. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 330.03 334.48 Yeah, it's a little bug it's in the in the smart board. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 332.24 334.57 Okay. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 346.33 352.47 so with uh the wire is sent to the to the chip in uh co-operation with the battery of course 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 352.47 357.5 because to make uh a a signal possible you have to have some sort of uh 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 334.57 340.56 Uh well the sub-component, I suppose that you understand what a sub-component is, is f in this example it's the button. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 340.56 346.33 Uh when it is pressed down, um, the switch is ter is uh is switched on 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 358.78 362.06 li uh a d ad uh electronic uh 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 362.15 363.04 Infrared light. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 373.02 381.07 and from there it signals a Morse code-like signal to the to the b to the bulb in uh in the television set. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 364.77 373.02 Um w after it's being composed by the chip uh the signal uh is transported uh to the infra-red bulb 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 363.46 364.77 Yes, uh, okay. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 417.1 423.66 And it is possible for several designs and um easy to use b uh sorry, easy to use buttons. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 436.08 441.26 And uh well as I said uh before th uh we can uh make several designs. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 432.61 436.08 uh so the numbers on the buttons are not possible uh to read anymore. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 410.13 417.1 But I suppose that the one of the other team members uh uh thought of that uh too. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 395.16 400.06 or just is it's it's very light to uh to make uh to use it. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 383.43 384 Okay. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 384 387.93 S Uh I wrote down some personal preferences about uh the remote control. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 387.93 395.16 Of course it is very handy if the remote control is hand held, so you don't have to uh uh wind it up or something 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 441.26 444.11 Okay, well, that's my contribution to this meeting, and uh 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 400.06 410.13 Uh I personally uh pref prefer that uh it would be p uh come available in the various colours, and uh easy to use buttons. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 423.66 432.61 Perhaps soft touch, uh touch screen uh buttons because uh the rubber buttons are always uh uh they uh slightly uh they can be slightly damaged 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 412.24 413.74 Yeah, I've got it there too. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 441.08 441.26 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 444.91 445.8 To this meeting. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 445.41 446.28 Okay, thank you. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 448.28 449.88 So. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 445.8 448.28 two of these this meeting. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 446.82 448.14 Shall I go uh next? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 448.03 448.31 Yep. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 448.84 449.09 'Kay. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 449.91 450.27 Please. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 451.49 451.74 So. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 456.66 457.46 Smoking. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 460.85 467.2 Well uh, my name's, and I looked at uh technical functions design of the remote. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 467.2 474.49 Uh I did this by uh looking at examples of other remote controls, of how they uh they look, and information from the web that I found. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 512.88 517.36 And the other is uh more user friendly, little with big buttons. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 493.36 503.14 Uh play video, teletext, but also t uh play C. D. if you use it your C. D. player the remote control will that one. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 476.13 482.96 Um well what I found was that uh th the actual use of the remote control is to send messages to television set 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 486.4 493.36 And this can be all sorts of medsa messages, turn it on, turn it off, uh change the channel, adjust volume, that kind of thing. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 517.36 523.88 And uh not n all the the the the stuff you can do with it, but uh the the essential stuff is there. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 505.17 506.95 You can see they are very different. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 506.95 512.88 The one has got all the functions that you could possibly need and an lot of uh buttons etcetera. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 482.96 486.4 how you uh d what you described uh just early. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 503.14 505.17 There are some uh examples of remote controls. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 539.1 542.16 A lot of buttons they may think from I don't need s as much as that. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 524.75 532.35 Um I guess you could better y you should look at a a user centred uh approach 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 532.35 539.1 because the customers have to use them and and if they don't think it's usable they won't uh buy it. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 552.66 558.76 But uh keep in mind the new functions of T. V. what we discussed earlier, split screen and uh is that a function that you should have? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 576.79 582.78 it could also work with uh with the stereo, because play is play and stop stop and that sort of thing. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 558.76 560.54 Because all the T. V. s will have them. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 571.5 576.79 If you have one that uh uh does with the vi the the video,
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 544.12 552.66 Uh, well perf personal preferences is is uh a simple remote, with uh the basic functions that you can need that you could use. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 564.84 571.5 And then uh make it I would make so that you can could uh use it on more than one appliance. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 560.54 564.84 Or because of only a few and isn't really necessary. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 587.98 591.36 And it should be a user friendly, clear buttons, and not too much. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 582.78 587.98 The shu c you could reuse the buttons so that you don't have to have a lot of buttons for uh anything. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 592.52 595.16 And that is my presentation. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 595.91 596.65 Okay, thank you. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 596.23 597.27 Okay. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 598.05 599.09 'Kay. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 600.63 600.89 Check. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 611.66 612.94 You must still have it open. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 615.14 615.65 Kijke 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 622.87 624.32 'Kay, so. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 624.32 635.47 We're going to j discuss the functional requirements of the remote, that m that means that functions user n want to have on the remote control, or just 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 639.02 647.08 The methods I I prefer is we're going to look which section of the users we are going to focus a l on more. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 636.79 639.02 Yeah, and the users, actually. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 648.36 651.41 Are the younger people going to buy the remote control or the elderly people? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 651.41 659.14 And then tho that section we're going to focus and adjust the remote more to that section than the whole user 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 674.72 681.71 And we possess about two third of the market from in that range of age. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 664.25 674.72 Younger people, from sixteen to thir forty five um years are more interested in fj features like L. C. D. screens, speech recognition e etcetera. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 661.55 662.97 Okay. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 681.71 688.32 The elderly people, from forty five years to sixty five years are not that much interested in features,
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 662.97 664.25 Some data. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 660.61 661.55 section. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 688.32 694.03 and we possess less than two third, that's two fifth, of the market share in that area. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 696.97 698.23 Goed so. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 699.44 699.65 Hmm. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 700.45 700.59 'Kay. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 705.13 709.29 So we don't have to make it very small, like uh like a mobile phone or something,
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 702.45 705.13 Fifty percent of the users lose their remote often. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 715.7 722 Seventy five percent of the users also find it ugly, and fif seventy five of the users zap a lot,
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 722 729.52 so the buttons sh should be that small, or shouldn't be that complex because we have to search for the buttons, which one are you going to use. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 709.29 715.7 but some somewhat bi bigger than small, so you don't lose it that much anymore. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 701.24 702.45 Findings. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 705.25 707.35 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 718.72 718.98 Mm. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 730.59 730.81 Next. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 732.21 733.74 Important issues about the remote. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 737.26 742.72 Remote control has to have to have a low power usage, because s w 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 733.74 737.26 I think it would be better with a personal reference, but okay. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 743.89 749.82 seventy five percent of the users only zap one time an hour, so the power usage is also one one time an hour,
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 749.82 752.98 or so, with a high power usage we would 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 754.52 757 use a lot of but batteries. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 758.13 765.38 The volume button and the channel buttons are the two most important buttons on the remote control, so those they those have to h be find very easily. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 765.38 767.49 And have to be somewhat like bigger 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 768.68 770.49 etcetera. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 770.49 774.04 It has also be have to find easily when the label is gone. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 774.04 779.39 My colleague also announced it that labels should be scratched off or would be s uh 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 774.73 774.93 Mm. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 777.58 777.83 Hmm. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 782.81 787.66 So uh if that's k uh if that's the problem, you also have to find it easily 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 781.1 782.81 senden okay. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 788.77 789.48 on the remote. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 794.25 797.55 Like what all colleagues said, have to have to be minimalized. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 792.98 794.25 Buttons. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 810.33 811.48 And you don't see the buttons. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 798.77 802.4 or should be covered, or in L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 806.14 810.33 Put one option and then you have the all the buttons of that options, so the other options would be gone. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 802.4 806.14 L. C. D. screen is easy because we have the L. C. D. screen, we have the various options. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 811.48 813.6 So L. C. D. screens should be easy, 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 828.63 832.05 you don't have to make it that hard to learn or to use. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 814.82 816.53 but an L. C. D. screen 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 824.62 828.63 So we have to that keep that in mind that if you're going to implement L. C. D. screen 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 816.53 824.62 the problem with the L. sc L. C. D. screen is that elderly people fr from forty five to for sixty five years don't use the L. C. D. screen a lot. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 833 835.2 Uh L. C. D. screen as in uh touch screen? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 835.27 835.98 Yeah, touch screen, yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 835.83 836.08 Okay. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 842.26 847.37 Because they use the remote control often more often, and are more technical than the ol older people. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 847.37 852.87 And the older people spend more money, and easily on a remote control. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 862.57 868.27 And on my personal preferences, I don't have any mo more time to come with that, but like I said 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 868.27 874.13 L. C. D. screen is easily to use because you have you can implement a lot of buttons in one remote with not that much buttons. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 852.87 862.57 So we have to keep in mind to to focus not a lot not that much on the younger pep younger people, but also somewhat on the elderly people. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 837.56 842.26 The last but not least, younger people are more critical about the features. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 850.28 850.53 Mm. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 852.55 852.76 'Kay. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 876.83 882.43 Especially the volume buttons, the channel buttes buttons and the number buttons to zap through the channels. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 875.35 876.83 And it should be easy to use. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 884.05 885.07 And that is it. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 886.2 887.59 Okay. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 886.44 887.29 Okay, thank you. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 886.71 887.22 Oh right. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 892.45 897.63 I dunno uh did everyone receive an email with uh the new project requirements? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 890.28 892.45 Um, well thank you all, huh. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 897.63 898.49 No? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 898.49 899.51 Well, 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 897.16 897.58 No. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 898.62 899.67 Res I did not. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 899.67 900.44 Perhaps the rest? 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 899.53 899.98 No. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 901.37 905.45 then I think it's a good thing that I made a separate slide of them so you can 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 902.74 902.93 Ja, 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 909.49 909.92 Hmm. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 906.58 907.6 all read them. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 907.6 909.49 Oh, well not in this presentation. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 960.46 968.05 Um well uh according to our agenda it's then time to take a decision on the remote control functions. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 957.79 960.46 So we have to keep that in mind. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 947.03 952.76 And uh a last point, but also very important, our corporate image should stay recognisable in our products 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 911.91 912.76 Should be in there. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 922.33 927.61 So that's uh the first thing we I think we should pay less attention to uh teletext. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 937.23 940.7 Um our current customers are within the age group of forty plus,
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 912.76 915.54 Well, I can tell you them uh from my laptop. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 940.7 947.03 and new product should reach a new market with customers that are younger than forty, and you talked about that before. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 915.54 922.33 Um teletext does has become outdated since the popularity of the internet. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 952.76 957.79 which means that our uh corporate colour and slogan must be implemented in the new design. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 932.47 937.23 which endangers the time to market, and of course would make it more costly, I think. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 927.61 932.47 Uh the remote control should only be used for the television, otherwise the project becomes more complex,
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 919.75 919.87 Oh. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 970.06 970.26 Mm. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 970.44 974.26 So, who has any idea about what should be on it, and what shouldn't? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 979.28 981.18 Or with one uh d che only the T. V. ? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 974.4 979.28 Well you said it should only uh work with one appliance? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 976.25 977.1 Be television. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 982.4 983.49 Only be used for television. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 982.15 982.4 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 982.15 982.37 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 982.84 984.68 And the video also, or not uh? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 984.99 986.13 Only the television. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 985.06 986.83 Well it says only for television here, huh. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 987.88 988.46 Okay. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 986.71 987.88 Alright. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 986.46 986.71 Oh. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 987.68 990.44 Makes it a lot easier, huh? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 989.8 990.49 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 990.51 990.64 Mm. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 991.22 992.39 So yeah, then you can yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 995.93 996.48 Functions. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 993.76 995.93 Requirements, no? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 996.82 997.4 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 996.96 1000.36 Then it should have uh on, off, and uh 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 997.16 997.4 Yeah for 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1011.86 1013.03 Yeah I had 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1009.11 1011.86 Um other functions. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 999.06 1009.11 Yeah, the basics then by a volume, channel, one till two zero numbers on it, oh teletext doesn't have to be? 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 999.44 1000.41 Standby options, yeah? 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1004.9 1005.3 Uh yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1006.09 1006.53 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1006.53 1007.91 And per perhaps uh 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1008.56 1009.87 No. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1009.87 1016.8 Well uh uh yes yes s sh A button where you can uh change from one number to two numbers. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1016.8 1019.74 Can you Don't know if that's got a name, but 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1015.6 1017.15 Two s two two digits, oh okay. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1016.02 1016.85 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1018.31 1019.72 Yeah I understand what you mean. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1019.72 1019.91 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1019.03 1025.68 I think it's I think it's easy to implement a button with a s s what which especially do that, because some T. V. s,
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1025.68 1033.97 if you press the t one and then the two, it be between five secs it make twelve, and that's that's not relaxed 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1028.44 1029.99 It makes it twelve, yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1031.22 1031.57 S 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1030.74 1031.22 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1031.16 1031.97 Indeed. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1031.97 1032.25 Okay. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1048.57 1057.28 But uh all the television makes uh use of those button where you first press that button and then press two digits to uh to get 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1034.33 1040.88 Well, not really And and there are some models that don't uh accommodate that function. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1040.88 1048.57 So d uh wh the Philip's television makes it possible in that indeed to uh press one and then two to make uh the uh tj to reach channel twelve. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1034.96 1035.31 to user. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1040.61 1041.18 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1045.52 1047.72 So that it easy and fast. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1046.08 1046.38 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1048.81 1048.97 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1052.07 1052.27 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1056.59 1058.19 Yeah, so you should have that one on. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1058.41 1059.61 Uh yeah, think so. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1060.95 1061.58 were? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1059.17 1060.95 Our main targets' age are? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1061.58 1062.65 Forty five plus, or? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1061.72 1062.84 Mute misschien also. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1063.75 1063.85 Mm. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1063.83 1071.03 Uh well new product should reach a market with customers that are younger than forty, and now we have current customers uh of forty plus. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1067.97 1071.96 Forties, okay because because younger people as 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1073.92 1081.77 Uh younger people have now, sixteen till to twenty five age, are f eighty one percent interested in L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1083.27 1091.02 From twenty six to thirty five have sixty six percent, and thirty six to forty five, fifty five percent, so I think to um 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1100.08 1106.36 With the L. C. D. screen it's easier because you only have to wipe the screen to uh for fingerprint, and then you can use it again. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1092.35 1097.75 Because on most recog remote controls um the print plate will be broken how much, two years. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1097.75 1100.08 You have to press h very hard to go to the next channel. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1098.85 1099.22 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1099.68 1100.18 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1113.04 1115.58 A touch screen uh probably uh even more. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1105.53 1110.68 But I think that uh that collides with our mission to make it very cheap. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1110.68 1113.04 Because L. C. D. screens are very expensive. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1103.38 1105.53 Yeah, we we could yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1110.9 1111.47 Yeah, okay. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1112.8 1113.79 Yeah but a you don't know 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1113.5 1113.67 An 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1120.39 1121.24 But uh 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1117.28 1120.39 So, true, true. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1117.54 1117.67 True. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1123.56 1129.14 Well um is it possible to make an L. C. D. screen uh, how was the information? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1129.6 1134.36 Yeah, it only says that this perce percentage like L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1142.94 1143.52 And if the only f 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1135.59 1142.94 Because, yeah and it says that younger age between sixteen and forty five highly interesting features more critical. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1142.94 1146 So perhaps we should we should focus on that L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1145.99 1148.94 Yeah, because our target is sixteen to forty five. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1149.25 1150.58 But, do you 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1149.31 1151.39 Yeah but uh will we not uh 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1153.6 1156.92 exceed our uh our uh production uh 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1156.45 1158.32 Yeah, you don't know how much it costs, the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1155.14 1156.45 Yeah you don't know how much it costs. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1158.3 1160.83 Is it possible to find out, anyway? 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1160.83 1161.11 You know? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1159.76 1163.77 No, I don't have any costs here, I only have percentages. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1164.88 1168.36 But if you would do an L. C. D. screen do we have don don't you have any buttons? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1168.36 1175.68 Or because if it only directs at the T. V., then you only have uh I don't know what you want to do with the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1168.82 1169.17 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1185 1186.5 such as channel and volume,
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1186.5 1192.76 you just h uh displays four buttons on the screen and it's possible to p uh press them down, just like a touch screen. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1176.68 1185 Um just uh displays several buttons, for example um if you wanted the minimal uh use b uh buttons 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1173.97 1176.68 No, an L. C. D. screen's just like uh like a drawn here. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1179.99 1180.3 Yeah? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1189.07 1190.32 Oh right, so you can 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1192.94 1196.24 So you can adjust which buttons you want on that s screen. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1191.65 1192.94 Oh, yeah alright. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1199.13 1203.22 you press audio on the touchscreen and you get the buttons for audio settings, so the other buttons are gone. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1195.48 1199.13 Yeah, if you want to adjust, like for example, adjust the audio settings,
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1195.89 1197.51 Yeah, we can make it possible to do that, yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1200.67 1201.21 Yeah yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1201.64 1202.68 Yeah alright, oh right. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1203.89 1204.08 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1204.74 1205.77 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1205.96 1207.48 So we're going for an L. C. D. screen? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1208.67 1209.14 Would be yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1208.07 1208.67 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1208.56 1210.51 I think it's the most easier thing, yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1209.42 1210.33 That's my uh 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1210.73 1213.98 And hoping that when we produce a lot it won't be too expensive. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1213.73 1214.02 No. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1214.09 1214.31 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1217.58 1220.59 I dunno how expensive an L. C. D. screen is. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1217.15 1217.58 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1214.31 1217.15 Well we had twelve fifty, I guess, for uh production? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1215.99 1216.16 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1216.5 1217.42 Twelve fifty. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1218.33 1220.61 Um. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1222.44 1223.93 Any guesses? 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1225.64 1230.11 Well I suppose wi if the mar if our um 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1231.25 1235.59 if the i if the young people are interested in L. C. D. screens, we should make 'em. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1235.59 1242.04 And if that is our d uh market share to uh and our goal to uh deliver those uh remote controls 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1234.35 1234.8 Highly. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1235.49 1235.78 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1235.68 1236.11 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1236.11 1236.54 But 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1241.33 1244.55 But he also said that we should not only focus on the younger people,
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1244.55 1248.9 but also on the older, and will they use it if it only has an L. C. D. screen? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1245.54 1246.33 Yeah, but 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1254.22 1262.45 But our our our what's it, project requirements are the new products should be reached for new markets, to customers that are younger than forty. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1247.76 1254.22 Um, s forty six to forty five, thirty three percent, and sixty fifty six to sixty five twelve percent. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1254.24 1256.61 Oh, so still a little bit people 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1260.14 1260.48 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1262.78 1265.6 But you don't want to alienate the other uh 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1261.7 1262.78 Yeah that's right. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1264.82 1267.21 No, that not now, but, so 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1267.03 1269.44 But if they also buy it then it's alright. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1270.63 1271.08 I guess. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1270.69 1275.8 Yeah, but market share fro for for forty years and younger is higher than that of sixty five and younger. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1272.45 1272.65 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1275.27 1275.61 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1276.56 1276.82 Alright. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1278 1279.61 Okay, so L. C. D. it is? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1278.57 1279.91 An Yes. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1282.15 1285.94 I hope we uh h and let's hope to reach those uh those sales. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1281.46 1282.15 It's treasure. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1280.43 1281.46 Mm. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1280.66 1281.14 Okay. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1281.59 1282.73 And what else? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1283.04 1291.02 Yeah, i i if it Yeah, if it costs gets too much, too expensive, then yeah, we should be sticking to rubber buttons. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1291.43 1291.68 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1292.1 1299.57 Yeah, can you um uh s I think that that they will send you some information about uh the cost of L. C. D. uh screens. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1298.83 1300.9 N nothing, no costs at all. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1299.07 1299.78 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1300.77 1304.71 Uh so if you uh Yeah, so if you uh you receive an email about that 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1304.71 1309.65 uh can you post it in the or shouldn't we post that in uh our projects mail uh folder. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1300.83 1302.93 But perhaps later, so uh 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1306.63 1307.61 Yeah, in 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1309.66 1313.77 I think that should yeah I think we all get the costs of everything. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1309.82 1310.08 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1314.94 1316 I don't 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1315.09 1317.69 Because you are the the Marketing uh Expert. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1317.17 1319.02 Yeah, okay, I'll I'll post it. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1318.55 1320.06 I uh 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1319.48 1325.25 Well perhaps we should have a backup plan that we would use buttons if it's uh too expensive. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1322.35 1323.13 Yeah sure, sure. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1323.54 1323.81 Yeah. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1324.13 1324.98 Yeah, okay. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1324.98 1326.97 But for now it's L. C. D. . 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1326.97 1327.39 Okay. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1325.49 1327.14 Okay, L. C. D., yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1327.14 1329.75 Then you have the seventy five percent of users find it r ugly. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1326.36 1326.91 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1331.06 1332.19 The L. C. D. ? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1332.19 1333.79 Oh that's a bit of a problem. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1331.73 1336.27 Yeah, and eighty percent of the users would spend more money with a when a remote would look fancy. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1336.57 1338.25 Oh, that's a bit of a problem. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1336.84 1337.05 Mm. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1339.13 1342.2 Tha i l i it'll look fancy with L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1342.2 1342.3 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1340.61 1342.36 It's looks fancy one yeah, of L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1343.64 1344.55 They think it's ugly. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1341.73 1343.64 Yeah, but they don't they don't like it. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1344.55 1345.96 When it has an L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1342.72 1343 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1345.22 1349.16 Yeah, just a the plain remotes, not not specific L. C. D. remotes. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1349.24 1350.93 Oh, alright, I thought that you said that. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1351.51 1351.85 So 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1351.73 1357.04 Yeah, and maybe you can make something fancy out of an L. C. D. remote, because it's new, as far as I know. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1354.32 1354.62 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1355.57 1356.01 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1357.07 1358.02 Yeah, of course. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1357.47 1357.74 Mm yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1366.35 1371.62 Only thing you have to do is wipe the screen off once each time, to get all the fingerprints off it. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1359.12 1366.35 And then you have the other thing, that seventy five percent zap a lot, but that's not a f question with the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1359.21 1360.16 And then not yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1363.44 1363.73 Um. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1369.8 1370.04 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1372.79 1373.13 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1374.12 1375.16 Mm. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1375.16 1375.43 Okay? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1376.12 1377.88 Okay, what else does our remote need? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1378.08 1378.88 Um 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1378.22 1379.03 A mute button. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1380.08 1380.63 Mute button. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1381.93 1383.4 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1383.4 1389.51 The most important things on a f on an on an uh remote control are channel selection, volume con selection, 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1382.92 1383.8 I think. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1383.8 1385.05 And 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1390.15 1390.41 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1390.84 1392.46 and power s power usage. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1392.67 1392.93 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1396.94 1397.84 Other things are 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1393.73 1396.94 And a teletext, but that is not of the question. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1395.25 1395.67 But 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1397.28 1401.97 But shouldn't you put a button of for teletext on the for the people who want to use it? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1399.03 1399.2 Sorry? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1402.63 1403.54 Yeah, it could be. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1403.04 1406.23 Remembering we have got a big remote that you have to fill. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1404.89 1406.15 Yeah. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1405.94 1406.71 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1406.71 1412.73 Yeah, and we could make an a a separate menu on the L. C. D. uh screen for teletext. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1409.79 1410.87 Yeah, teletext. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1410.66 1411.07 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1411.42 1411.72 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1412.92 1414.81 And there's also a 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1413.11 1418.8 And other other less important things are screen settings, audio settings, and channel settings, but 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1417.96 1420.79 Yeah, they are less important, but I think they should be there, or not? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1419.46 1420.09 Less important. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1420.09 1423.6 Yeah, should be there, but not press Yeah, sub-menu, yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1423.68 1430.3 Uh I think it's also important to uh make it possible to um how do you call it in English, uh, 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1420.96 1423.68 A sh but in a sub sub-menu or something like that. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1431.72 1438.99 to not use batteries, and use ac uh bat uh batteries to uh to be yeah yeah sure. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1438.99 1439.64 Indeed. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1439.64 1443.02 So uh you can mount uh the the the uh 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1436.59 1436.94 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1436.75 1439.58 Like with a with a mouse, you have not, yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1443.29 1444.64 Yeah, in a breath it's 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1444.18 1446.02 uh the remote control to um 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1445.5 1445.98 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1446.26 1447.06 Charted. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1446.81 1449.5 We should think of the twelve fifty we have but 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1447.39 1448.6 to refill the 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1449.5 1452.38 Yeah, but we don't we don't have any costs now, so Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1450.35 1452.78 I don't know how much that's going to uh 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1451.24 1451.93 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1451.93 1458.4 Okay, because i uh when you get an L. C. D. screen, you run it on batteries, the batteries will be uh empty very soon, very fast. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1455.25 1455.51 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1456.63 1459.76 Yeah e e power supply is one of the most important things. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1458.56 1462.27 You should Perhaps you should be able to to switch the control off. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1462.27 1464.64 If you have an L. C. D. screen that's burns all the time I dunno. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1460.42 1460.65 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1465.85 1466.09 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1464.98 1465.85 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1469.6 1474.12 that you have t first you have to turn the remote on, and then you can uh I don't know. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1466.28 1469.6 You shouldn't on and off because that's ver extra,
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1472.96 1473.37 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1473.08 1473.55 Uh 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1473.49 1473.63 Yeah 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1482.08 1485.84 so I think it's better when th the T. V. shuts down, the remote shuts down. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1473.63 1482.08 I think it's it's not that easy because I don't think people will like it who who uh that you have to turn it on first and then use it,
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1480.87 1483.3 Nee that's that's uh yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1486.4 1488.11 But then you can't 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1486.54 1489.58 And go to standby mode when you don't use it, so that 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1488.48 1488.7 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1488.67 1488.97 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1489.73 1492.38 Yeah yeah au automac matically, that it yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1491.8 1492.7 Yeah, automatically. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1492.7 1494.64 After two minutes or three minutes, something like that. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1492.24 1493.02 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1493.02 1494.62 After two minutes, yeah two three minutes, yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1494.83 1495.07 Yeah. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1496.1 1499.02 And maybe a low battery indicator? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1499.02 1499.53 On the screen. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1495.4 1496.1 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1499.7 1500.01 Sure. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1498.72 1499.7 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1507.7 1511.52 Then you have plenty of time to recharge it, of put it in a recharger. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1511.52 1512.37 Charger. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1500.44 1501.45 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1501.45 1507.7 And then b that uh before an hour when its get again gets empty. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1506.85 1507.12 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1510.09 1510.18 Mm. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1513.04 1515.15 So we are going for the for the recharger. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1515.43 1515.66 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1515.75 1518.16 Yeah, if it's. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1515.91 1516.29 Okay. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1519.44 1520.45 Uh. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1521.38 1522.74 If it's sensible. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1522.79 1529.85 Yeah, because when you're watching T. V., you're zapping and you have to put it in a recharger, and I don't think it 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1525.74 1526.04 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1528.55 1530.64 Yeah, b when the batteries are low 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1529.04 1534.22 No, when you when you're done with s uh w uh watching your television, you have to put it 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1531.6 1537.25 Yeah, okay, but then we have to be sure that the the the the batteries go hours, six hours, five, six hours, then. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1536.4 1537.55 Yeah sure, of course. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1536.87 1541.46 But you'll also forget to put it in, because you throw it on the couch and you don't remember. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1538.64 1539.76 Yeah, then you have a problem. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1539.09 1539.81 Yeah, but 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1540.88 1545.79 But you also forget to buy batteries, and then you can you can't use it, so I 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1543.24 1543.66 That's right. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1542.56 1543.24 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1544.75 1545.01 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1545.72 1548.69 Or we have to be sure that the batteries last couple of days when they're recharged. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1548.66 1548.86 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1550.34 1550.52 So. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1550.48 1555.79 Well I think the batteries should should w should work a lot longer than a couple of days, or not? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1555.79 1556.05 'Cause 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1555.01 1556.75 Yeah because you have b but you have L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1557.11 1558.82 Yeah, that's right, but 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1557.86 1558.75 High power usage. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1558.97 1560.52 High power user cell, i 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1572.82 1579.52 Because you are obliged to uh put it in the charger and not to uh leave it in a couch uh between some cushions. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1568.02 1572.82 that's also a a a great advantage because you can't lose it anymore. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1561.49 1568.02 uh it should be uh a standard move to to put your remote control in the charger when you're done watching television 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1567.05 1567.49 Yes. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1573.33 1573.45 True. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1575.65 1575.83 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1575.83 1576 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1576.91 1577.06 True. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1579.62 1579.89 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1582.17 1583.08 Right. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1582.24 1583.71 Okay. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1583.01 1584.47 Yeah, you made a point there. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1584.62 1595.25 But then you also have to s have somewhere where you can put a remo recharger near your couch because otherwise you have to walk a long way when you twoft want to turn on the T. V. . 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1585.74 1586.34 Yeah, also. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1591.98 1593.63 Yeah, otherwise all your yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1597.99 1600.17 Yeah, like a like telephone charger or something. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1596.94 1597.99 Plug it in, that's it. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1595.22 1596.94 Just a small device. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1596.96 1599.94 I think everything has it for and I guess. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1596.66 1596.96 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1596.68 1598.45 Yeah it hasn't It doesn't have to be big. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1600.15 1605.27 Yeah just just a cable, or a even a a a a a charger where you can mount it on. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1605.27 1606.56 Something like that, just u 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1601.44 1601.92 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1604.82 1605.16 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1607.64 1607.73 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1608.2 1608.51 Okay. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1608.92 1609.21 Alright. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1609.56 1610.75 Okay, well I've 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1615.03 1618.52 Uh market share, speaker re speech recognition. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1610.01 1615.03 It has to be easy to use also, or things. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1612.61 1613.71 Yeah, you have some more 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1614.79 1615.18 points. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1619.82 1620.24 I think. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1625.71 1633.75 so make it possible to not uh display uh a button at ten points uh, or 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1619.92 1625.71 Functional designs uh for the elderly uh you could make it possible to enlarge the screen,
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1626.02 1626.89 Also. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1638.15 1638.53 Okay. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1632.7 1635.07 Well I think that this should be standard. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1637.31 1638.15 Yeah? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1635.07 1637.31 Large button large buttons. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1635.14 1637.74 Yeah but it is uh one of the functions you have to uh specify. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1650.23 1650.99 Okay. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1641.33 1650.23 Because we can look at uh uh perhaps uh forty buttons at a screen, but the elderly only look at two buttons. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1651.28 1653.35 And you said something about speech recognition? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1653.31 1655.13 Yeah, it says also Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1655.43 1657.09 Twelve Euro twelve Euro fifty. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1653.94 1654.9 Speech recognition? 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1654.9 1655.43 Hello. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1655.61 1658.39 Yeah, twelve fifty, twelve fifty. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1657.48 1661.46 That's an also ninety one percent sixteen to twenty five,
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1656.33 1657.48 Twelve. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1661.46 1665.8 twenty six to thirty five years, seventy six percent, and thirty six to forty five, thirty five percent. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1665.91 1666.88 So it's pretty big. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1666.24 1668.54 Well, spread it by a big market. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1667.31 1669.42 But then I I I 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1669.48 1670.94 Even bigger than for L. C. D. . 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1670.88 1671.74 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1671.74 1673.35 W I know let's do a speech. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1671.33 1671.8 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1674.84 1679.4 Well let's leave out all the remote controls and just put a microphone on top of the television to 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1677.76 1679.26 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1677.15 1677.76 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1680.57 1681.06 Twenty five. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1679.35 1680.57 Ninety. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1678.04 1679.35 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1681.09 1682.25 You can clap or something. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1681.37 1682.11 Yeah Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1682.5 1683.53 channel. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1683.33 1683.95 Turn volume up. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1684.52 1684.81 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1685.4 1687.77 Hey, that that's an idea. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1688.14 1689.77 Now you shouldn't say the wrong thing, I dunno. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1690.26 1690.62 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1690.37 1693.72 Okay, well that should it has to be remote control, not 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1693.67 1695.27 Yeah, twelve. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1694.56 1694.76 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1695.46 1699.78 But they want to talk into the remo remote control, or something, or? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1702.59 1703.36 It's the only thing it says. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1698.63 1702.59 Is this only would you would you pay more for speech recognition in a remote control. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1697.46 1698.63 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1697.61 1699.88 Sure why not why not 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1702.65 1703.57 Yeah, mm. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1704.13 1706.97 Oh, but do we want to implement that, or? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1707.15 1710.99 I think an L. C. D. screen should be suf sufficient. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1711.35 1711.82 Yeah. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1712.56 1714.32 But when you look at the percentages 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1714.39 1716.34 Yeah, it says a lot, but 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1716.84 1718.66 Perhaps the options should be uh 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1717.31 1719.35 Speech recognition scores even higher, huh? 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1720.36 1720.8 Why not? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1721.95 1729.03 Yeah, well, maybe because of the cost, but uh nobody knows uh how much uh it will cost uh. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1721.96 1722.59 Why not? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1725.22 1725.47 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1726.53 1728.45 Let's hope uh to have some uh d 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1727.17 1727.84 I know 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1727.19 1733.61 No I think I think it's better to have L. L. C. D. screen, because in the area of tw thirty six to forty five,
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1733.61 1742.92 we have about thirty percent of the market share in in our hands, and fifty five of those people want L. C. D. screen and thirty five want speech recognition. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1742.92 1745.31 So I think it's better to keep it with L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1746.3 1746.5 Mm. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1746.61 1748.69 But would it be useful to imple implement both? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1749.78 1752.08 Yeah, if the costs al allow it. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1749.79 1750.64 On one remote? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1750.64 1750.92 Or 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1750.26 1750.87 Well 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1751.86 1753.94 Yeah, I dunno. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1752.67 1757.3 I don't know if that can be done with the cost of twelve fifty. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1757.3 1757.88 With that uh 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1756.18 1756.75 Nee. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1761.33 1761.52 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1757.97 1761.33 If it should be done, if it could be done, I won't matter. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1759.86 1765.78 Yeah, but how would you like to implement that, that you say volume up, and then it goes up, or? 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1761.78 1761.94 Sure. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1761.4 1761.78 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1760.16 1761.4 We should do it. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1765.14 1765.61 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1765.47 1765.68 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1766.9 1767.08 Uh. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1767.21 1768.93 Certain systems already exist, I think. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1769.07 1769.44 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1772.95 1777.76 Then uh it's y it's yours to do a French and Dutch and English and 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1769.63 1772.95 Then you also have to have different languages if we go international. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1773.56 1774.53 True. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1774.44 1775.21 True, yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1775.36 1775.49 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1775.49 1776.04 True. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1776.18 1776.39 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1781.77 1787.37 Because then I think in Chinese is different written, volume is different written than um Swahili or something. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1777.6 1781.77 But that should also be with f should be also with L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1781.6 1781.8 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1778.23 1781.6 This should be uh accommodated with some software, uh, uh. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1782.55 1783.37 Yeah, that's right. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1785.72 1785.91 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1786.64 1786.94 Right. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1787.71 1788.67 Swahili. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1788.67 1789.17 Swahili. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1788.52 1790.55 Yeah you can use icons for the 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1791.15 1791.31 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1791.3 1791.92 Ja, well possible. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1791.7 1792.72 a speaker and uh 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1792.63 1792.88 Indeed. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1794.17 1797.79 But if that's better than language for the for the remote. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1794.56 1795.89 Yeah, yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1795.99 1796.4 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1798.65 1801.21 So we want to uh yeah it's international uh okay. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1799.99 1801.03 Then it's Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1802.79 1803.04 Okay. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1803.09 1804.37 'Kay, what else? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1804.95 1806.26 So, no speech recognition? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1806.26 1806.52 Or 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1807.14 1809.83 Well, if it could be done, we 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1808.79 1810.53 Yeah, we have to keep Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1809.44 1810.34 Y it should be done. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1810.34 1811.54 If it could be done, should be done. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1811.33 1811.93 Yeah. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1811.96 1813.51 Yeah, and then we have different languages. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1814.38 1817.2 Yeah, that should be uh anything matters. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1815.82 1825.26 That's not so difficult at all, because I already use on several voice operated systems, and they are all possible to uh not all, but 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1817.27 1819.58 Okay, just make a separate remote for each uh 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1825.8 1828.13 Well, you sh you should to adjust the thing. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1826.02 1826.92 I think it's difficult. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1828.21 1830.25 Every language of dialects 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1830.62 1830.94 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1831.32 1832.64 I think it's very differen difficult. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1832.29 1835.12 And you have to speak the so that it can understand. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1833.92 1834.24 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1835.88 1840.67 I think it can't be implemented, but maybe 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1840.27 1844.74 You could use that n as an option, if you have money left, or something. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1842.56 1843.74 Yeah, 's an option, yes. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1844.39 1845.23 Yeah, sure, indeed. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1845.62 1846.42 Fifty Euro cents. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1847.52 1848.31 Let's do speech. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1846.4 1847.52 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1848.42 1848.62 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1848.46 1849.59 For speech recognition. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1856.23 1864.71 Well I've written down an an on or off button, volume selection, channel selection, uh the digits from one to zero, huh. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1886.2 1890.11 And uh the possibility to uh enlarge buttons or to have large buttons 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1851.37 1855.35 Okay, so we only do this when we have enough money left. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1878.17 1886.2 Um we're going to use a docking station and uh probably L. C. D. and if there's enough money, speech recognition. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1867.02 1878.17 Uh a digits button to switch uh between one and two digits, mute button, a separate menu for teletext, a battery indicator. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1855.35 1856.23 Okay. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1864.71 1867.02 Um or from zero to nine. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1854.82 1855.26 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1885.72 1886.01 Mm. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1890.43 1891.83 Mm, yes. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1900.39 1905.55 Yeah, when you press the red button, you go to page one hundred two, and when you press the 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1891.24 1898.57 I With uh teletext if it wasn't ver very important, it was but You also now have colours. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1898.57 1900.39 I don't know if we should implement that. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1890.71 1891.24 Yeah. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1891.51 1891.9 in general. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1895.22 1896.4 No, but 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1899.96 1900.24 Curved? 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1905.08 1905.81 Uh yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1906.36 1913.75 I don't know if we should implement that, because it says that teletext not really important, but yeah, the shortcut, and you can't go to sport. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1907.02 1907.58 Um. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1910.22 1911.09 S Shortcuts. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1911.09 1911.52 Uh. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1912.55 1919.62 I think we should we could that we could also implement a audio settings, screen settings and channel settings, but as sub-menus. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1920.15 1920.43 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1921.13 1921.44 Mm. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1931.79 1933.33 It should be available but not 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1927.89 1931.79 And if you want to use teletext screen or audio, then you can press it. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1921.59 1927.89 D Mainly if you turn the uh remote control on, you have to u you have to see from one till zero, channel and volume. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1930.6 1933.1 Sh Yeah, just just sub-menu. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1936.65 1937.14 Okay. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1933.79 1936.65 Not directly uh available. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1933.1 1933.79 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1933.69 1934.64 'Cause it should be there. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1934.07 1934.72 not Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1935.78 1936.03 Yeah. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1939.48 1943.47 Okay, so not too much teletext support, but in a separate menu, and 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1943.62 1943.81 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1943.66 1943.9 Mm. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1944.36 1947.99 So actually it is there but it's just not r ready there. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1945.86 1946.96 Yeah, but s 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1948.96 1950.91 So does it confuse uh the user? 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1947.3 1948.96 Directly available. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1947.76 1947.95 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1950.27 1951.77 You'll have to search for it. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1951.02 1952.3 They'd have to be easy to use. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1952.52 1953.58 I'll search um. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1951.8 1952.52 Uh. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1954.98 1959.37 If you want to use teletext, you can push the teletext button and then the options uh become available. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1957.23 1957.43 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1959.49 1960.22 Yeah, that's a 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1962.25 1963 The sign of it. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1964 1966.57 Okay, but no more buttons or functions, or? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1968.54 1969.76 What else can you do with a television? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1966.71 1968.54 Uh, no. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 1967.03 1967.59 No. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1967.25 1968.09 I guess not. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1969.25 1970.36 We've got anon 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1970.04 1973.35 Aren't we forgetting something very important? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1971.56 1976.6 Have got got two examples here, but I don't think there's anything we're missing. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1975.52 1979.12 Uh play, pause, doesn't n need to be there. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1978.8 1980.76 Well, we don't have the video orders 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1979.99 1982.81 Yes, so this is your presentation. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1984.17 1988.26 We could check the other remote controls with technical functions. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1987 1989.47 Yeah, you could look here all the the 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1989.44 1990.73 Which ones were yours? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1995.75 1998.59 They're a bit small, you can we should stretch them, because 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 1990.73 1995.75 Uh th th th th I don't know, technical functions. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1993.03 1993.58 Techni 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 1998.77 1999.06 Ping. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2000.89 2002.78 Technical functions. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 1999.06 2000.89 Ja ja ja ja ja. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2002.78 2004.09 Yeah okay. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2004.21 2005.47 I guess we've got them all. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2005.61 2011.66 Uh I think I go to have volume, mute but I Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2015.05 2016.04 Yeah, the zoom buttons. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2013.42 2015.05 Very slow. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2017.94 2019.11 Can you zoom in a T. V. ? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2016.59 2017.94 And for a T. V. ? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2017.16 2023.76 Yeah, b wide screen, high screen, different things you have, yeah different uh Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2024.67 2028.49 But that should also be a sub then, a sub uh menu thing. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2021.08 2024.67 Or that you can put 'em on uh on on wide and yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2027.78 2028.05 Menu. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2028.08 2030.79 Yeah it should be available, but then in separate screen settings or something. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2030.8 2033.97 Yeah, so we should also implement se screen settings. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2031.41 2031.66 Mm. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2034.07 2036.96 Yeah, screen settings, audio settings, teletext settings you have. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2035.64 2036.06 Oh right. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2037.17 2037.5 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2038.79 2039.48 Channel settings. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2040.28 2042.78 Yeah, so you can program the 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2041.62 2043.42 So those four, and of course the main. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2043.65 2047.08 Yeah, so the first you see the main, and the other ones you can uh go to uh 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2046.4 2046.52 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2045.69 2046.4 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2047.36 2050.16 Like tap screens or something or, I dunno. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2048.81 2049.06 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2051.07 2053.59 I hope we can do this. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2051.11 2051.7 Something 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2053.52 2057.9 There are a lot of options depending uh on what kind of television you got. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2057.9 2061.82 'Cause if you don't got a wide screen television you don't need the uh the screen settings uh for uh 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2053.78 2055.1 Yeah, if uh 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2060.11 2063.16 No, you don't yu a no you then you don't no ni don't then you don't use it. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2063.3 2067.27 Yeah and if the television does not support such uh operations 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2067.03 2067.48 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2069.44 2069.59 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2068 2069.44 We don't have to use that top. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2069.59 2070.62 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2070.62 2073.29 So you leave it alone. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2074.17 2078.78 Or it could be possible to have a a standard version of the remote, an expanded version. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2073.29 2074.17 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2070.16 2070.42 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2072.61 2072.83 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2077.37 2077.9 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2079.33 2082.08 And do we want them in different colours, or 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2080.8 2081.02 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2083.29 2084.92 And and the buttons, should they have colours? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2084.35 2084.64 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2083.38 2084.35 Colours. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2085.48 2090.5 Colours I think the main colour of the remote control is uh the colour of the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2090.5 2094.23 I Because we don't want a lot a devi yeah a device self s g 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2087.04 2088.28 Oh but we don't have any buttons. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2090.17 2090.48 Yeah. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2090.71 2091.14 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2091.1 2092.37 Yeah, then defines itself. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2095.36 2096.17 Eighty percent? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2093.06 2095.36 Because uh how many percent? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2096.21 2097.92 They think it's ugly, right? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2097.12 2098.94 Would spend more money if it looks fancy. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2098.98 2103.13 Okay, so use uh very uh lot of peo 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2105.79 2111.47 You can uh But I don't think that uh 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2102.23 2105.79 Perhaps you can uh make adjustable fronts, like with the telephones. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2105 2106.83 Adjust with phones, yes 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2109.67 2110.59 Twelve Euro fifty. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2107.65 2109.67 Okay. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2114.4 2114.67 Sure. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2112.05 2114.4 Well, make it available in different colours, you mean? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2114.54 2114.84 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2115.91 2116.25 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2117.6 2119.67 Red, white, blue, black. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2120.81 2121.48 Rasta colours. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2121.03 2122.32 And a see-through uh 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2121.6 2122.28 Grey. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2122.28 2126.03 Yeah sea view, yes, Simpson's versions and 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2122.36 2123.23 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2122.87 2125.17 Yeah, see through version. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2125.17 2125.64 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2126.21 2127.77 If you press a button, it turns green. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2127.84 2128.31 Yeah. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2129.05 2130.4 Okay, well that's the 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2129.19 2130.41 Leave. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2129.55 2130.42 A disco version. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2131.4 2132.57 Five minutes? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2134.42 2137.73 Um so I have uh the things I just read. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2137.73 2144.08 Um then we have uh separate menus for teletext, screen settings, audio settings, and what else? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2131.76 2134.42 signal for las final five minutes. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2143.61 2144.08 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2144.26 2144.89 Channel settings? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2145.19 2145.88 Oh yeah, right. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2145.88 2147.38 So you can program the T. V. . 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2145.79 2146.55 Channel settings. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2147.12 2147.4 Yeah. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2147.69 2147.94 Okay. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2149.92 2151.13 Mm. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2154.23 2158.01 So, options, and then you sub them. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2158.01 2161.23 Otherwise you have all those teletext, perhaps teletext not, but 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2150.9 2154.23 Perhaps you should you'd throw them on on in one pile. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2158.26 2158.76 Could be possible. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2157.3 2158.26 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2160.15 2160.36 Mm. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2161.19 2166.05 Or like uh you have a menu button, you press Yeah, or otherwise you have a menu button 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2166.05 2170.94 press menu then you have uh main uh menu search uh all the all the settings. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2162.63 2164.65 No, we said teletext also a separate menu. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2164.9 2165.47 Yeah, but I 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2167.48 2167.73 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2171.04 2172.07 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2172.07 2172.44 But 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2172 2174.17 Okay, but we can work that out later, I guess. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2179.86 2185.19 audio settings, channel settings, and maybe there are options for the remote itself? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2174.17 2179.86 So we're having a a general menu with the most used functions, uh teletext, screen settings,
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2185.19 2187.79 Like uh large icons or small icons and 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2173.29 2174.42 Yeah, no problem. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2174.42 2174.65 Yep. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2185.37 2186.09 I don't know. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2193.44 2199.91 I think the buttons Yeah, but but or like you have you only have channel button or volume button. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2199.91 2201.6 Those buttons you can you can 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2188.36 2193.44 Um, I think b because we don't have a lot of buttons on the one screen,
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2188.6 2189.66 I don't know what else, but 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2189.09 2189.3 No. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2195.21 2195.82 On the remote. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2193.46 2195.21 Or do we have any buttons? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2196.98 2197.61 Which one? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2200.64 2202.44 But that's also in the L. C. D., right? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2200.73 2201.82 Yeah, but on the L. C. D., huh? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2202.67 2203.84 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2203.84 2204.3 Yeah, th 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2203.29 2204.41 Right, yeah, okay. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2203.9 2206.71 So we don't have any normal buttons that uh No, alright. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2205.21 2206.89 No, no normal buttons, yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2206.89 2209.35 Maybe only the on and o on and off button. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2209.35 2210.16 But I don't think 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2208.16 2209.91 Yet on and off is p is perhaps you kno 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2209.07 2212.67 But we don't need a special we don't need a special options menu for the remote itself. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2209.35 2210.56 Uh not button 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2213.4 2214.48 Mm, no. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2213.67 2214.67 No, no. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2215.02 2215.31 Okay. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2216.44 2219.63 Oh well, you should be able to set which T. V. you have. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2220.85 2222.94 If you have if you have uh 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2221.06 2226.08 Yeah sure, of course you need uh a settings button, uh or a settings option for the remote control. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2226.06 2226.33 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2228.04 2235.51 But isn't idea to use uh uh what you said, uh normal on and off button for the T. V., that you don't have to use a 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2233.58 2241.86 No no no, because we we discussed that you could charge it, otherwise is it it jumps to stand-by mode automatically. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2241.27 2245.46 Yeah but but not for the remote but for the T. V., that you use 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2245.3 2252.96 th that's the I think that's a best thing is that to implement that one in the menu with the volume and channel. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2252.96 2253.46 No. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2244.46 2245.3 Yeah, but a T. V. of course 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2251.8 2253.87 But a not as normal button, in the L. C. D., yeah. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2260.88 2263.44 There has to be a on button on the remote, huh? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2259.91 2260.88 So how do you turn the thing on? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2253.71 2259.91 Well maybe there should be a separate button apart from the L. C. D., because you can't turn it on when the L. C. D. is off. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2261.6 2263.42 No you just tap I think. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2262.69 2263.98 Yeah, you tap. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2263.98 2266.88 Touch screen, yeah then it's turn turn off, turn on. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2262.94 2263.44 Just tap it. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2264.09 2264.6 Tap the thing. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2264.6 2265.69 Okay. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2269.6 2269.77 Sure. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2265.69 2269.6 And then the television is on also, or just the remote? 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2279.3 2279.58 Or not. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2274.29 2279.3 then press on remote, press on and then T. V. should be available. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2269.37 2274.29 A television don't have to be on, that one you can press on, yeah stand-by,
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2268.52 2269.37 No, just the remote. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2269.78 2270.11 But 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2272.38 2274.6 Yeah, it should be in standby mode, but 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2288.27 2292.04 Otherwise you I don't know whether or not that's 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2278.08 2279.96 Yeah a yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2283.06 2288.27 a r just uh rubber uh for for T. V., so you can turn it on and then you can choose the channel. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2279.96 2283.06 I don't know whether it's handy to have a n a normal on button,
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2283.78 2284.4 Separate. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2292.1 2295.14 A A A normal button on the remote control, or norm? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2295.14 2295.92 To turn it on. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2293.48 2295.14 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2298.23 2300.64 Of or you should put it in the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2302.1 2306.8 Yeah, because uh when you touch the L. C. D. screen when it is in standby mode, it should pop on. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2306.92 2309.44 Yeah, I have, yeah. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2309.44 2310.19 Okay, well 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2309.48 2312.79 Wh uh why would it be a a need to have a normal button? 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2312.23 2317 Well I I guess if you use the L. C. D. screen, you first have to search where is the on button,
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2320.62 2327.02 But if you have a normal on button on the on the remote, then you do the on, and then you search the channel which you want. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2317 2320.62 then you uh you you then turn it, and then the T. V. goes on. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2327.54 2331.26 Yeah, but I think the re the remote control, if you press tap the screen,
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2331.26 2338.64 it always should jump to the screen which has the volume button, channel button, and of course of also the on and off button. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2335.96 2336.23 Mm. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2339.17 2339.77 Oh right. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2339.53 2345.73 I think it looks a lot more fancy if you use uh if you don't have any buttons on the s on on remote control. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2342.17 2343.67 Otherwise y wet e k Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2341.08 2342.17 Yeah, I think so too. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2344.21 2344.94 Yeah. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2344.94 2348.48 So actually we're going to create a a button-less uh remote. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2348.48 2349.41 No buttons at all. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2349.41 2353.67 Okay, well that's might be a unique selling point, huh for a remote. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2353.67 2355.21 Okay, well I guess we have to 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2344.35 2344.62 Yeah. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2347.48 2348.42 Yeah. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2352.17 2352.66 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2352.36 2354.48 If we can afford it. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2354.25 2355.67 Yeah, if we can afford it. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2355.67 2355.89 Yeah. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2354.67 2356.7 Oh, okay 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2355.98 2360.85 postpone further discussion to uh our next meeting, because we're running out of time. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2360.85 2363.5 Um for now, we're having a lunch break, 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2364.02 2364.15 Oh. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2370.69 2375.4 I will uh write uh minutes, if I can create them out of this. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2364.7 2370.69 and then there will be uh half an hour for the uh next share of individual work. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2378.32 2382.92 And here are the individual actions for the for the other roles. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2375.4 2378.32 And uh put them in the the project documents uh folder. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2382.92 2386.62 And of course specific instructions will be sent to you again by your uh personal coach. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2375.71 2376.1 Mm. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2386.98 2387.48 Alright. 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2389.37 2393.92 Okay, well thank you very much, for now, and uh have a nice lunch, huh? 
TS3005b H00 MTD017PM 2387.83 2389.37 Luckily as we are. 
TS3005b H03 MTD020ME 2390.55 2390.89 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2391.71 2392.31 Lunch. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2395.32 2395.67 Food. 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2393.6 2395.32 Okay. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2399.81 2401.85 Should we put this back in our rooms, or uh? 
TS3005b H02 MTD018ID 2402.41 2403.34 Yeah, think so. 
TS3005b H01 FTD019UID 2405.06 2405.3 Yeah. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 213.98 219.1 I'm busy writing and busy leading the meeting 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 211 213.98 Okay, welcome everyone to our next meeting. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 231.73 236.96 Um we are here at the conceptual design meeting, which is hereby opened. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 236.96 243.66 Um once again I will try to uh write some minutes which I just from the previous meeting uh placed inside our project folder, 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 219.1 231.73 but um I've prepared a little presentation once again um or at least an agenda I think uh the biggest part of the presentation will be uh on your side. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 257.06 262.18 And just as the last time we have forty minutes to accomplish that. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 245.44 247.56 which was quite some typing. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 247.56 257.06 Um today we once again have uh three presentations, if I'm right, and after that we will take a decision on the remote control concepts. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 262.18 262.92 Okay, well 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 271.35 271.64 Okay. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 268.32 271.35 Um in the same order as last time? 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 264.24 268.32 I'd say let's start with the first presentation. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 266.98 267.45 'Kay. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 270.14 270.81 W sure. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 270.77 271.39 Mm. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 271.39 271.69 Alright. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 272.83 273.67 Well, take it away. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 285.39 294.55 um uh first of all uh I would like to uh uh accommodate some of those uh things I uh uh elaborate some of the things I did. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 296.38 297.55 What should be um 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 294.55 296.38 I I elaborated on the concept. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 284.3 285.39 Components design 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 279.66 284.3 Okay uh welcome you all. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 299.22 309.1 uh said about uh the components, uh its properties and what kind of materials should we use to uh to make uh one of those r remote controls. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 327.45 332.1 I would like to uh give you an idea of uh how I thought about. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 310.24 321.52 Uh well first of all I've uh d subtracted some of the components that is that are used uh are w w um you know from what uh the remote control's formed. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 321.52 327.45 Uh first of all, the case, the case, the surrounding of the of the the remote control. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 332.4 333.31 Don't destroy my giraffe. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 354.87 361.61 Uh rubber is, I think, uh the best suitable uh material uh to use uh for our uh 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 333.64 335.74 Giraffe's gone now. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 335.74 338.77 Okay um the case was is made from rubber, I suppose. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 338.77 352.48 There's one of the because when you use a remote control a lot of people uh will uh will uh drop their remote control and they break uh becau the uh titanium was also an option. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 352.48 354.87 But uh it's a very expensive material. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 346.73 347.22 Drop it. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 348.27 348.42 Hmm. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 392.03 396.36 so if you scratch it it's still the same colour, perhaps uh it's a little bit damaged. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 396.36 397.9 But it's a very strong material. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 364.05 369.86 Um it's poss it's also possible to uh create fancy colours with rubber. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 369.86 374.8 Uh rubber l makes it easy to uh to to it lets lets itself colour. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 374.8 383.76 Uh titanium uh you have to paint it and with that uh it's possible to scratch it or uh yeah make it ugly. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 362.69 364.05 for our remote control. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 383.76 392.03 Uh rubber uh the total uh piece of rubber that's sor uh that's that's used uh to make the case is uh the same colour,
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 404.51 407.17 Uh so it's t two dimensional. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 398.38 404.51 Um I h I had an idea single covered uh curved, sorry, single curved. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 407.17 411.22 I think it's uh it's best to draw oh green. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 410.67 413.69 It's a colour. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 413.53 415.01 Fancy colour. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 411.47 413.53 Bright colour. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 415.01 415.49 Forward. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 413.22 413.28 Uh 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 414.61 415.73 New. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 415.73 416.13 Blank. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 417.27 417.49 Okay. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 417.37 418.04 You have to go t 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 420.76 422.19 Let's make it uh black. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 423.81 425.05 I thought of an idea like this. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 423.3 423.81 Okay. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 426.93 429.08 Oh that. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 429.08 430.01 Um delete. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 434.22 434.64 Okay. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 432.73 434.22 Blank. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 440.93 443.74 So it also looks nice when it's on your table. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 443.74 448.37 So you get uh it doesn't lay flat down on the table, but it's c it's stands. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 448.35 449.11 Oh it's a side view. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 462.27 467.76 Um the graphical user interface and the buttons, uh we also thought about that already. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 455.27 462.27 Um uh it's just an idea I had so it's uh it's very uh so its also looks nice when it's on the table. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 467.76 474.39 Uh I thought about uh the L. C. D. touch screen, which is uh is easy to clean too. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 449.56 455.27 Side view yes it's side view so uh I I'm not technically good at th three D. modelling, but. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 483.15 488.4 And um it should be made of strong plastic and it should be bright. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 502.69 503.35 So uh 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 474.6 483.15 One of the great uh advantages of the L. C. D. screen you just use some or uh another uh cleaning uh uh cl some cleaning stuff. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 488.4 502.69 Well I already uh s uh explained some properties of that material and I think uh well we also we almost concluded about that uh this should uh be uh our uh button component. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 500.1 500.31 True. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 523.87 525.4 Questions,? 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 507.47 510.17 Uh the batteries, uh we also thought about that already 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 525.4 525.66 Okay. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 510.17 523.87 uh will be chargeable with uh uh an option for a mount station so you can uh put the uh the remote control in a mount station so its charges itself up instead of uh plugging it in or something like that. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 505.4 507.47 uh that's all about uh the buttons. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 524.84 526.37 No no no no no. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 526.37 526.8 Just looking. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 525.15 525.85 No. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 527.52 535.71 And they should be long lasting, not uh not be empty uh in about uh two minutes or uh thirty minutes or forty minutes of use. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 544.46 555.78 Uh there was an option to use s a rather simple chip but I think uh because uh of our uh highly uh requiring uh requirements 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 535.71 544.46 And next step is the chip uh th the component that's uh makes or transmits the signal to the television. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 555.78 566.29 there should be an advanced chip in it with uh also the ability to uh facilitate speaker speech recognition uh which unfortunately is still in a test phase 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 566.29 570.79 so uh there should be some more uh investigation on that side. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 582.2 583.6 That was correct, wasn't it? 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 572.82 582.2 Uh my personal preferences uh I also overheard in the last meeting that there shou we should use uh our own business colours. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 583.6 584.46 Okay. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 584.46 588.33 I think they are rather boring for um for use with rubber. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 583.22 583.42 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 588.5 595.4 Well, business colours I thought it was the the slogan and uh the corporate image, so yeah, it needs colour, 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 594.12 596.75 Okay they should be m sh they should be in mind, wasn't it? 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 596.58 600 but I don't think you have to make the entire thing in the corporate colour. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 598.89 602.77 Okay so it d it doesn't says uh to uh have the slogan? 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 602.28 603.63 It must be recognisable. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 603.79 604.59 Okay okay. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 604.59 606.09 Well that's possible of course. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 606.09 610.79 We could make a little R. and R. on the top of the machine. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 610.79 620.45 Uh so they are pretty boring, I suggest, because just the availability with rubber to make fantastic colours uh and also in a lot of possible colours 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 620.45 626.58 so it's possible to make very uh fancy uh remote controls which peopl uh who people 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 606.54 609.02 You can put the R. and R. . 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 631.13 637.91 And uh will buy uh them faster when they look at the same old grey or black uh colours. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 628.4 631.13 in which people will find they're uh interesting. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 652.46 659 but i if you drop it it's not uh broken uh right away s instead of using uh plastic, hard plastic or uh titanium. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 637.91 652.46 Uh s as I said uh before rubber is uh is impossible to damage severely imp instead of uh of course you can break it when you you when you break it in s for example with a pair of scissors or something like that,
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 669.14 670.11 Okay. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 670.11 672.99 Well that's all about my uh my findings. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 660.64 669.14 And I personally liked uh the single curved uh remote control, because it yeah it makes sense. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 673.55 673.87 Alright. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 674.31 675.19 Okay, thank you. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 675.57 676.36 Mm mm mm. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 676.36 677.06 Next. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 675.91 676.73 I will go next. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 703.33 708.29 And the design is therefore based on what we just uh uh thought of. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 691.8 694.05 Uh how it should look. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 694.05 703.33 And uh uh we uh determined that will not be no buttons, but only an L. C. D. screen, so I had to uh look on that. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 689.26 691.8 Alright so I thought a little bit about the interface. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 722.87 726.43 And they already uh put this in an in a coffee maker. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 709.87 714.68 Uh first there are some new findings and new technology for speech recognition. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 726.43 735.03 And so that it you say uh good morning, uh coffee maker, and it says t says to you back good morning Joe or what's your name. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 714.68 722.87 And this is that uh um uh uh you you ask you give a question through through the device and it answers you. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 735.03 747.17 This uh and there's an easy way to uh program that uh you say record into the device into the speaker and then you say the question and three seconds later you say the answer and then when you say the question it gives you the answer. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 733.15 733.29 Mm. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 747.86 748 Mm. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 769.21 773.06 so uh don't make too much of it. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 747.87 757.64 Um perhaps it's useful, perhaps for because people um lose the remote, they can yell uh remote where are you and calls or something. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 760 769.21 And then I have to go out of the presentation because I tried to make some kind of a a idea of how it should look like but I can't draw 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 757.64 760 And perhaps we could uh implement that. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 748.46 748.6 Mm. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 750.44 750.56 Mm. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 757.01 757.38 It's true. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 763.62 765.09 Oh my God. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 778.86 782.43 I thought uh at least uh the icon for the volume. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 774.12 778.86 I tried to uh the L. C. D. screen I tried to sort of to draw. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 786.87 794.94 So uh and then the buttons above and uh below the and the and the mute button also recognisable as an icon. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 782.43 786.87 I don't know if there is an icon for the program, but yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 785.2 786.14 Not just a P. . 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 786.14 786.99 Oh okay. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 785.9 786.83 P. yeah, just a P. . 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 796.05 796.69 Um. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 796.2 798.58 Where's where's the button for two? 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 800.31 803.7 I thought I forgot something, but uh. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 832.62 836.11 Perhaps we could be more curvy the remote perhaps should, 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 824.26 826.45 So could call it settings or something. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 820.13 824.26 It's uh options is the settings of the remote and of the T. V. and that kind of uh thing. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 826.45 829.78 But this is a bit uh how I thought it. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 799.4 800.31 I forgot that one. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 803.7 811.23 And uh and uh the numbers, that should be a bit larger I think it's not really on scale and and so forth. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 829.78 832.62 And uh the L. C. D. uh somewhere on the remote. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 813.41 820.13 And I thought the the button for teletext apar uh apart because it's not really options, I think. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 811.23 813.41 Um an options button. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 800.26 800.61 Okay. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 809.86 810.1 Ah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 810.48 810.83 Doesn't matter. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 820.11 820.43 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 820.81 820.97 No. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 823.87 824.05 Yep. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 840.44 845.6 But uh and and uh a microph microphone for the speech uh recognition if we want to implement that. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 837.42 840.44 so that it's better in your hand or something uh. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 839.44 840.16 Oh okay, yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 846.77 852.96 Uh and then uh if you press the op options button, now we have an example of 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 889.08 892.01 so you could scroll scroll uh across these uh things. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 877.13 880.4 So they want to u use one button and then something happens 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 861.93 871.32 And uh it's also uh I thought think we discussed uh earlier that uh older people don't really want to use uh these extra settings. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 880.4 889.08 and not choose with uh this kind of uh And you could put in a an a really s little scrolling device on the side of your uh remote 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 854.48 861.93 and then you should get the other options with what what you could do and that you could do with something like this this. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 871.32 877.13 And older people a also don't really want to use this uh th this kind of option menus. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 860.75 861.6 Oh yeah,. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 887.44 887.79 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 889.32 889.55 Mm. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 892.34 892.89 Okay. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 893.2 894.8 That's an option. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 894.8 898.29 And that was my uh finding dinge. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 900.77 901.31 Thanks. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 901.71 902.13 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 903.12 905.01 Okay. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 904.07 904.98 Now our third 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 905.71 907.53 Go Danny, go Danny. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 907.09 909.91 team member with his presentation. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 922.9 926.53 Okay, I'm going to tell you something about a trend watching. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 926.53 932.19 The trends from the past years, what the people like, what the youngsters like, what the elderly people liked about shapes, colours, 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 933.61 934.77 material and stuff. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 936.03 936.37 'Kay. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 937.01 938.67 The method I used was 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 947.98 953.55 So we can keep that in mind for designing f uh the device itself. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 940.95 947.98 Like I told I watched the trends from the past years about colours, shapes, material they wanted uh from elderly and young people. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 955.7 960.39 The most important thing people liked last year was that the remote control should be look look fancy. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 953.55 955.7 Findings I made. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 962.5 967.84 The second important thing that w should be if inv in innov innovative, okay 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 967.84 973.54 like the L. C. D. screen that's quite innovative so that should be great meeting for this. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 973.54 976.29 And the third thing is it should be easy to use. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 976.29 982.37 I think with only one menu, four button, channel, volume, it should also be enough for easy to use. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 983.82 991.25 The personal preferences for the young people, they liked fruity colours like uh banana yellow, uh strawberry red and stuff. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 989.8 991.26 Fruity. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 988.08 989.8 Fruity? 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 988.95 992.24 Grass green. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 992.34 993.18 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 993.18 994.55 Like that. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 994.55 995.39 The round shapes, 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 999.34 1005.43 It should be soft uh i it should feeling spongy or s Sponge Bob like things. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 996.92 999.34 and soft material m materials like the rubber. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1005.43 1005.54 Th 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 999.6 1000.09 Okay. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 999.21 999.6 Mm. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1003.56 1007.05 Let's build it into a sponge. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1007.12 1017.88 Elderly people like au colours which y are being seen in autumn like um woods um dark brown, red, deep reds and stuff. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1017.88 1020.78 They liked square shapes with round edges. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1026.08 1029.6 They those kind of materials they liked. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1029.6 1033.33 This is a bit like the young peoples like the fruity colours, 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1022.44 1026.08 And hard materials like wood, um titanium. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1039.64 1048.1 And then I th I I personally thought the front side of the shape should be something for the youngsters like like 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1034.6 1039.64 innovative, all the colours you see, the blue, the red, the white, the yellow, that stuff. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1046.07 1047.12 Oh y 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1049.4 1050.22 this or something. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1081.36 1082.08 Simple but 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1056.71 1060.04 And for the elderly people just plain old. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1069.85 1081.36 I think like my colleague, you said, is that's e better, or for the elderly people something like like the iPod or something, with round squares. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1065.9 1067.15 Different colours, yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1060.04 1065.9 Because we decided to have two kind of remotes, two designs, or was it two colours? 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1054.44 1056.71 And the colour should be yellow, or something. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1067.15 1069.85 We should decide whether it's going to be with round shapes. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1052.04 1054.44 It's it's a bit like a banana. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1065.29 1067.83 It was one remote, I think, different colours. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1083.81 1086.14 easy to use. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1086.14 1086.65 So that's it. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1085.4 1085.58 Mm. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1087.25 1087.56 Okay. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1087.51 1090.49 So for the older people, a more traditional uh form. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1087.54 1088.3 That is my 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1089.43 1094.4 Yeah, like the older o older colours I can maybe 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1094.33 1098.56 You could you could uh change the colours, that was also the idea. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1098.56 1100.88 I don't know which shape you should should take, but. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1098.78 1099 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1100.51 1102.72 Colours th the elderly people 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1102.21 1104.93 Yeah, I guess changing colours will be easier than changing uh 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1104.33 1104.6 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1104.44 1106.75 Changing just the shape of the uh remote control? 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1105.49 1106.03 the shape of it. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1107.08 1109.22 Perhaps you could find something in the middle. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1109.22 1110.94 Round but square. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1109.08 1112.24 Yeah, s round corners, but s but square, yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1112.41 1112.59 Yeah. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1112.77 1114.48 But maybe then both groups won't buy it. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1114.8 1115.07 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1119.56 1125.56 with round corners but a little uh in the middle of it uh i Do you know what I mean? 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1115.99 1119.56 Uh i i if you do it uh uh square 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1124.7 1129.7 Yeah I know what you mean, kind of like a. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1126.78 1131.61 wait, like like this uh a bit. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1135.85 1136.08 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1138.02 1140.09 So it's a bit square, but it's also a bit uh 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1141.34 1141.75 round. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1144.48 1144.68 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1141.49 1144.48 Kinda like a beer glass. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1144.23 1145.18 So but then 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1145.89 1146.47 I know what you mean. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1146.66 1147.83 Same sides. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1150.77 1153.44 It's also easy to to have to to put in your hand. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1151.23 1152.04 But that's uh 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1160 1160.86 People know the 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1153.76 1160 Yeah but that's also how other remotes are shaped, so that's uh But perhaps that's a good thing, so that's easy to use. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1157.67 1157.83 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1163.2 1165.04 Uh when I saw your d Oh. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1160.8 1163.2 Will recognise that's as a remote control. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1161.97 1162.19 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1162.59 1164.97 Uh 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1167.98 1171 Autumn colours like red, brown. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1165.92 1167.98 Look something like that. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1177.61 1184.14 And a bit bit old school style renaissance, medieval kind of things. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1172.48 1177.61 So maybe we could give it like wooden loo look look or something in that colour. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1171 1172.48 They liked the wood a lot. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1171.55 1171.95 Huh. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1172.41 1172.88 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1172.89 1173.42 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1176.09 1176.42 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1176.3 1178.43 Yeah, kinda like old cars, uh 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1178.33 1178.58 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1183.48 1186.17 Let's put it all together. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1183.76 1186.08 Swords. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1185.1 1187.75 Those kind of Yeah, those kind of things. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1189.73 1192 Fresh, exciting. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1192 1194.42 And the old people, old and boring. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1187.75 1189.73 So you see the big difference between the young people? 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1189.81 1190.15 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1193.06 1194.93 But that's easily to do with the colour, I think. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1197.4 1200.78 Yeah I think it's it's easier to do in colour than in shape. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1200.78 1205.48 Because otherwise we have to get different shapes, and colour way easier than yeah the shapes. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1195.42 1197.4 So Sorry? 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1196.24 1197.98 That's easy to do with the colours, I think. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1200.2 1200.47 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1200.58 1200.81 Uh. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1200.99 1202.19 Yeah we think so too. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1207.08 1217.48 In material yeah rubber, rubber is, like I said, young people like more soft materials and spongy ones and the old people like plain wood. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1217.48 1220.46 So we have to decide if we're going to use 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1216.83 1217.13 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1216.93 1217.17 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1224.06 1225.79 Or something something between that. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1221.64 1224.06 real hard rubber, or soft rubber. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1224.04 1228.08 Yeah think uh Also in between. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1226.5 1227.01 Soft rubber. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1227.34 1231.83 Yeah soft rubber which you can you can feel in it. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1231.01 1232.84 Yeah I know what you Um. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1232.39 1234.56 I don't think you should be able to mould it, but 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1242.56 1245.79 That's the bit you can press it in, or something harder. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1233.21 1234.77 Or No. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1234.77 1236.67 Or or wh what's something harder. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1236.67 1242.56 No no no but but you have to like like like a a eraser or something. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1234.95 1237.39 It should shouldn't be. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1243.38 1243.77 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1245.76 1246.09 Uh. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1247.68 1249.34 Bit like this kind of rubber. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1249.34 1249.95 This uh 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1249.93 1251.24 Yeah, something like this, yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1251.67 1253.47 But it's quite hard, this. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1255.02 1256.89 It's feels kind s spongy. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1253.59 1255.02 Yeah it's quite hard but you can press it in. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1254.98 1255.18 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1257.83 1258.43 Spongy. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1259.36 1259.69 Hmm. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1260.64 1261.76 Something. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1262.56 1265.16 I don't think it's rubber. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1263.09 1263.23 No. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1265.41 1266.67 N n n 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1266.88 1268.95 So we need a spongy feeling. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1269.07 1270.91 Uh did you have something about uh 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1269.99 1272.8 Are you going to invite Sponge Bob, maybe he can 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1270.93 1271.41 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1273.72 1276.41 So we should first decide about shape, I think. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1276.41 1281.66 Which uh Then you can fit the L. C. D. screen in it, and can decide uh. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1273.83 1274.2 Ding ding. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1276.01 1277.96 Yeah I think that's the better thing to do. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1296.31 1296.64 Um. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1284.49 1296.31 Um I also s uh can't help but notice that you uh used an you had a remote control and the L. C. D. screen was uh rather small. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1295.81 1300.47 Yeah w I think that L. C. D. screen should be like 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1296.44 1300.56 Yeah it it's supposed to be bit s bit s bit Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1299.32 1302.28 This was your size, but I think it should be larger. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1302.23 1304.48 Yeah three quarter of the of the 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1303.44 1304.69 Yeah, three quarters. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1304.69 1307.65 So uh so you don't have to put your oh. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1307.08 1311.23 Yeah the buttons won't get that small when the L. C. D. screen is 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1309.1 1311.12 Uh new, blank. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1312.54 1314.81 So uh when you get this uh 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1321.87 1322.83 Ooh 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1324.02 1325.36 Uh kinda like this. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1326.11 1326.77 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1329.18 1329.59 Larger? 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1329.59 1332.06 Because you want to put your hands You want 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1327 1329.18 Or should it be larger? 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1327.1 1327.38 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1328.26 1329.2 Larger I think. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1335.56 1336.49 Perhaps that's best. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1330.08 1335.56 But if you pu Now you can put your hand there and then you won't touch the screen. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1331.27 1332.25 Yeah becau because you have 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1335.53 1337.59 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1337.59 1338.25 Your thumb here. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1335.58 1337.21 Yeah okay, true, true, true true. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1338.68 1343.55 But not on the screen because Yeah that's uh that's an idea. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1341.6 1341.89 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1342.82 1343.67 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1345.42 1347.57 Looks a bit like a Game Boy now. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1355.66 1357.17 Going to be very greasy and stuff. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1345.64 1351.69 Because when you put your f Yeah but if yo if you make the the L. C. D. screen as large as the remote control itself 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1351.69 1355.66 uh you'll you'll always get some You Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1354.14 1355.66 You always touch it, yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1354.98 1356.41 Yeah yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1357.43 1359.48 But it won't get that small because you have how much? 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1359.48 1362.94 Nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen buttons on the screen. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1363.04 1363.27 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1364.63 1366.87 One to zero, the two digit, 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1365.55 1366.7 Yeah you don't want it too small. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1366.7 1368.28 How yeah how large 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1367.89 1374.2 You have to you have to Because some fat people with d thick fingers will press three buttons at same time. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1371.72 1374.55 Yeah they have thick fingers. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1374.55 1378.72 But if you wanna make it in international, Japanese uh people got uh rather small hands 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1378.44 1381.03 Yeah true, but Yeah, we have we have the zoom option, right? 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1379.21 1380.65 and we got these large 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1383.67 1389.16 You can make it larger to to uh to uh with accompanying uh greater fields to push the button. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1381.92 1383.67 Zoom opt Ah yeah of course, yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1385.48 1385.65 Yeah. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1389.96 1394.59 And we won't include a a pen, or something to point, hey, we we want to do it with our fingers, right? 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1389.2 1389.96 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1389.54 1389.74 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1394.23 1394.43 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1392.59 1394.23 No. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1394.58 1395.4 Your fingers, yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1395.4 1399.92 You don't want uh Because if you lose the pen uh if you lose the pen uh you can't use 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1395.15 1395.44 Yeah. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1395.74 1395.89 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1395.85 1397.42 Y you could include a pen. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1396.49 1398.14 Use a pen You you c you can lose the pen. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1398.15 1402.17 Yeah but I think people want to use a remote with with their fingers because th they're used to that and 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1400.39 1401.8 Yeah the fingers, yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1400.92 1404.32 Yeah o yeah, if they think it's handy to use a pen. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1408.96 1414.74 I don't know how how large the actual remote should be but a little bit like this, or something. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1406.2 1408.96 Yeah I think this uh this is a good size for the screen. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1413.68 1417.49 And maybe we have to add a tissue to remove the grease from all the fingers, huh. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1416.84 1417.7 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1417.27 1420.79 Yeah You can do whatever uh any uh cloth. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1417.68 1421.08 Yeah but that that can be with plain soft tissue. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1421.08 1423.18 Yeah, you can buy those at 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1421.96 1429.44 Okay well maybe, if I can interrupt you, maybe I should uh should show some points on which we uh should take a decision. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1429.94 1430.33 Sure. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1430.63 1433.29 So we can discuss these points. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1434.59 1436.7 those points um 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1446.66 1448.47 Uh chip on print and case. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1448.47 1455.65 Those are points my uh coach advised me to discuss here, but I hope you have ideas about them. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1438.96 1446.66 How how should we uh supply the thing with energy and how are we going to do it with separate docking station and then put in it. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1437.95 1438.96 energy question mark. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1455.92 1460.04 I think energy were batteries and then uh and uh Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1458.77 1459.66 The docking station. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1462.94 1465.25 We already decided that on the previous meeting. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1461.56 1462.94 So that's the the the first point. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1461.26 1461.56 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1461.91 1468.07 Maybe it's better to to include rechargeable batteries which you can recharge through the docking station. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1463.93 1464.86 W 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1465.54 1465.84 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1466.96 1467.19 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1469.51 1470.81 Just like with the telephone. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1468.76 1469.51 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1469.01 1470.59 So if the badg the batteries are dead 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1469.04 1469.15 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1469.24 1469.48 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1471.66 1472.78 I kinda like your 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1471.79 1473.49 then you can re you can uh change them. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1480.48 1481.15 Computer mouse. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1479.66 1480.48 Mouse. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1473.85 1479.66 Yeah you got some uh some of those uh uh wireless uh mice? 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1479.52 1481.19 Yeah yeah yeah like those. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1482.55 1484.58 Kinda like those kind of batteries. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1483.98 1484.11 Yep. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1484.32 1489.28 but it should be th I think normal batteries, not not like two or two uh 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1487.08 1493.18 Yeah, normal plain you No normal plain batteries you can buy at the supermarket or retail shop. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1493.18 1493.42 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1489.92 1490.67 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1491.8 1492.42 Yeah. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1492.22 1494.16 Simple rechargeable uh batteries. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1493.49 1493.73 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1498.97 1501.02 Um what was with the chip on print? 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1501.88 1502.5 The chip on print? 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1502.5 1503.55 Um 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1506.8 1507.55 I think so. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1505.36 1506.8 Uh you gotta f Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1507.55 1513 Chip on print with a with a simple uh a sim not a simple but a 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1510.06 1510.52 Print plate. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1515.44 1516.33 Didn't we? 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1514.08 1515.44 We also discussed that. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1516.9 1519.5 Yeah but how did this how does that with a L. C. D. screen? 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1520.55 1521.22 You still have a 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1523.41 1523.99 print plate. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1523.77 1525.87 Uh 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1524.87 1526.2 You always have a print plate. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1524.34 1524.87 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1527.22 1527.65 Beg your pardon? 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1530.17 1531.07 Always, so 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1527.97 1530.17 You always have a print plate, right? 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1529.32 1530.33 Yeah sure, of course, yeah. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1529.56 1529.95 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1532.87 1535.26 I dunno what w what we have to decide about that. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1535.73 1537.59 Yeah well it's a good question. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1537.59 1540.7 It just was in there and I didn't have any information about it, but 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1543.59 1548.72 uh it's always clear for the remote control when you press uh a certain button. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1564.41 1569.36 When you got a regular button, th the button of stand-by is always on the same place and you got on the and on the 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1537.64 1543.59 Well uh chip on print, I think what they mean uh with the regular rubber buttons that you got 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1555.73 1564.41 for example if you enlarge a button, or if you got several options uh appearing on your screen, uh the co-ordinations aren't always the same. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1548.72 1555.73 But when you got a L. C. D. screen, with no uh with not the buttons are not always on the same place,
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1548.65 1549.05 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1550.53 1551.07 Yeah, okay. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1553.97 1554.48 But 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1558.42 1558.95 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1573.41 1576.09 so that that's not of any discussion, I think. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1567.58 1573.41 Yeah okay, but the p print plate of L. L. C. D. screen is more advanced than a normal print plate,
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1572.74 1573.04 Yeah. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1577.59 1579.29 Well you need some kind of C. P. U., I guess. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1579.67 1580.48 I suppose so. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1579.81 1583.13 Mm, I don't I dunno I don't think that's 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1582.64 1584.65 It is a simple C. P. U. but it doesn't 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1589.8 1591.76 Yeah, it's quite a simple L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1584.1 1589.8 Yeah yeah okay but I d I I don't know if nor o s it's quite a simple L. C. D. . 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1591.76 1594.26 I think they don't need that big of C. P. U. . 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1588.4 1589.86 Yeah because it has to uh b 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1593.52 1599.75 Yeah but it the the remote control has to know whether you're in a settings menu or just uh you just want to turn up the volume. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1600.04 1601.5 Yeah, okay, true true. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1603.19 1603.39 True. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1605.39 1607.96 So it has to have some kind of a 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1609.66 1611.28 calculation unit or C. P. U. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1612.76 1617.65 to know uh in which state you are and uh which button you are pressing in at the right moment. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1617.36 1617.97 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1617.97 1622.02 Because we're projecting projecting the buttons on the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1621.11 1621.34 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1630.61 1634.19 And the case, yeah we already discussed the case, we wanted to make it from rubber and uh 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1624.15 1630.61 And a touch screen makes it uh possible to uh to get the co-ordination of your finger on the screen. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1629.07 1629.21 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1635.2 1637.51 Or softer rubber or Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1633.51 1635.2 Yeah but but a hard rubber like this? 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1631.82 1633.51 It's rubber. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1637.59 1639.66 That's the easy to ha uh to to uh 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1636.38 1637.59 Uh hard rubber I think. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1639.36 1639.59 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1643.84 1647.31 Yeah yeah this in different colours? 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1639.89 1643.84 It bounces back from the floor where you throw it. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1640.96 1642.29 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1642.29 1644.45 Yeah sure, look. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1642.48 1643.38 We have different colours. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1645.84 1650.95 So the shapes is something between the square shapes with round colo corners and a round shapes? 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1646.31 1646.39 D 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1653.32 1654.74 No I don't think, I think 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1656.39 1658.62 it's more round than square. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1659.97 1662.11 But I think it should be a bit longer, perhaps. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1659.14 1659.97 Yeah it's a bit. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1660.2 1664.49 So it meets I think it meets more the young people than the older people. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1665.05 1665.78 I think so too. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1664.5 1665.05 Yeah. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1664.95 1666.1 But that's what we want,. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1664.72 1664.95 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1666.37 1667.93 Yeah, that's our target. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1667.93 1668.08 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1667.08 1667.88 It's our main target. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1668.1 1668.34 Yeah. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1668.38 1668.72 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1669.3 1670.65 Lower than forty years, I think 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1673.09 1673.56 it was. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1673.2 1676.21 Well and how about my idea uh of making it um 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1677.84 1678.95 with one single curve? 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1680.39 1684.41 Oh yeah that that I think I thought that was a quite good 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1680.84 1681.01 So i 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1682.31 1682.67 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1684.31 1687.31 Because it's a gadget and you want to show it off, of course. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1685.64 1686.04 Yeah. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1686.76 1689.31 Yeah yeah you have a fancy design, then, right away. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1689.31 1689.56 So 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1687.25 1687.45 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1688.06 1688.3 Uh. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1689.12 1693.83 You can put it on your table with the L. C. D. screen, you don't have to put it get it in your hand 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1693.83 1698.16 you can put it next to you and then dive it in and. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1698.16 1698.33 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1689.52 1691.07 Because it Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1694.98 1695.28 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1696.25 1697.2 Yeah, that's a good idea. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1697.51 1698.04 It's a lot easier. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1698.44 1699.56 Yeah, alright. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1701.34 1702.15 So 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1704.29 1706.86 Uh got a single curved uh rubber 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1701.75 1704.29 So, so you got uh Did you write that down? 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1702.4 1703.33 Okay so 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1703.08 1703.91 And then 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1708.23 1712.54 f uh fancy coloured remote control. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1709.72 1715.8 You can't you You can't oh, you c you can draw it on your paper and then load it on the 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1715.17 1715.44 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1715.7 1718.37 Yeah, you can uh It's pretty easy but 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1716.45 1719.96 Yeah but I wrote it down. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1720 1722.99 And load it on the the user the server. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1720.18 1720.78 And 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1733.49 1734.65 You you showed your drawing. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1726.62 1733.49 What about the user interface, there are also some some questions uh about the concepts I think you have some ideas on that. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1732.84 1738.06 Yeah, I had what I just uh I should again. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1740.64 1742.33 I miss a few buttons, but. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1744.89 1745.25 Well. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1747.3 1753.81 At least uh what we should also have on, I just remembered, um a menu to go back through the first uh 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1754.59 1759.87 if if you touch options, you can't go back to this uh right away now. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1759.87 1760.56 This 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1755.15 1755.62 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1756.81 1757.72 Yeah, you have to go back. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1758.5 1758.97 Yeah uh uh. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1760.87 1765.91 Isn't it better to have the sound and the general buttons horizontal? 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1769.02 1770.38 I think it's 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1767.51 1769.02 I don't know. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1769.42 1770.3 I think it's 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1768.16 1769.42 With the minus and the plus. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1771.72 1772.55 easier than 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1772.95 1777.63 I I thought it was uh easier to handle this way, but I don't know what they think. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1771.81 1772.95 I don't know. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1775.57 1775.71 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1778.48 1779.82 Sorry? 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1779.84 1783.32 Would you like the the buttons horizontal or v vertical? 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1779.88 1780.03 Mm. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1783.94 1785.34 For sound and channel. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1784.72 1785.51 Depends on the screen. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1785.51 1787.86 If you make the screen vertical it doesn't matter. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1787.86 1789.8 If you make it uh in a rectangle 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1784.75 1784.78 Th 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1790.91 1793.74 Right well if we make it like this, I think if you 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1790.96 1791.17 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1792.53 1794.08 I so it's it's it's it's 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1795.22 1796.49 put it like this 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1795.85 1796.45 Square. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1798.79 1802.3 I think it's it's easier to have it something like 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1803.54 1807.61 Oh a button uh minus here, plus over here. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1809.27 1811.65 A minus here, plus over here. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1811.85 1813.29 Oh, okay. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1813.17 1813.95 And on here. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1815.25 1815.6 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1815.67 1818.67 The other buttons and on here the top. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1819.8 1824.45 The options and then you have something like uh the P. over here, 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1821.01 1822.37 But I think I wou 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1820.24 1821.01 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1826.6 1827.79 and the sound. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1833.39 1835.1 I think that's a matter of what you're used to. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1838.06 1841.07 And then the P. in the mid in the middle and the sound uh in the middle. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1835.1 1838.06 I think I would put a plus and a min uh here. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1833.61 1834.38 Something uh 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1844.19 1845.36 Uh. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1844.84 1845.58 Something like 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1847.8 1848.35 Sh 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1850.89 1852.59 Take your time. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1858.18 1861.87 Plus minus plus uh 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1861.84 1863.77 Almost. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1866.78 1867.1 minus. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1867.16 1873.02 Yeah but I think when you are holding it, you could press the minus and the plus and with the other finger the minus and the plus. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1874.44 1877.75 Yeah I think you're going to s you're going to use it with one thumb. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1880.14 1882.03 Perhaps I have some examples. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1882.03 1882.49 I don't know 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1877.46 1880.14 Yeah but I think Yeah I don't know. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1880.34 1881.08 W 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1881.8 1884.57 We'll leave that to the usability engineering then. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1886.7 1887.69 She is. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1884.69 1886.7 Who's the usability engineering? 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1886.32 1887.64 That's me. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1887.64 1893.7 But I'm going to look if I've got some examples 'cause perhaps you should choose what's most often used. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1896.37 1896.65 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1893.7 1896.37 The 'Cause they can use that better. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1892.19 1893.14 Oh. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1893.83 1894.01 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1894.15 1894.73 Um 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1895.54 1896.14 Consistency. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1896.93 1901.38 Oh I have that those s numbers. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1898.52 1899 I 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1900.89 1902.36 Here is our here are uh 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1905.49 1906.4 B 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1903.46 1905.49 Or a good watch. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1904.68 1905.8 I don't really know. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1906.4 1908.05 Everybody's searching in his data. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1908.02 1908.86 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1913.49 1916.01 Volume selection four times an hour 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1910.53 1913.49 Per hour one hundred and sixty eight. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1908.54 1910.53 Channel selection. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1915.54 1920.93 Yeah but But I mean if it's usually plus or min above each other or next to each other on a normal remote. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1920.02 1920.21 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1920.92 1923.07 Uh 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1921.22 1924.03 So not how much n not how often it's used, but 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1926.25 1927.75 Yes I'm looking here. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1927.75 1934.27 But here's it's below, here also, and now here's here's next to each other. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1924.29 1926.25 W what's what's usual or normal. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1924.53 1926.88 Yeah, that depends on on on the remote. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1929.49 1929.74 Uh. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1936.26 1937.63 I think it's it's a 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1940.29 1943.24 One is horizontal, one is vertical, so it depends. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1937.88 1940.29 I think because I have two televisions at home. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1942.23 1944.14 Yeah it does it doesn't really matter, but 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1942.5 1942.79 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1945.24 1946 Depends. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1944.07 1945.24 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1947 1947.34 Uh. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1951.41 1957.88 I think the the the volume was usually uh above each other, because you go higher and down. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1957.88 1963.15 And the the pay the the the program is next to each other, because you would go further and back. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1957.08 1957.92 Yeah, lower. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1966.66 1966.87 True. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1966.87 1969.63 That's how it's is usually when I look here 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1971.43 1972.26 Okay, um. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1971.88 1972.67 that's what I see. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1974.62 1976.22 Let's cut to the chase. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1975.42 1977.48 It's got to change. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1978.58 1985.76 Yeah well I think we have we don't have to decide about that now how where we will put the buttons just the 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1983.16 1983.77 I don't know. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1984.84 1986.67 Yeah is it is user interface. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1987.32 1987.53 Yeah. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 1987.78 1988.7 concepts. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 1988 1988.49 Component. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1989.39 1993.76 This concept is in the actual design, but you should know where you would place a 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1992.87 1993.32 Okay, well le 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1996.06 1996.26 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 1997.85 1998.71 Interface, yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 1998.26 2001.62 And the speech uh shall we implement that? 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2001.62 2002.16 Or uh 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2002.76 2006.03 Yeah well we just heard about the new uh technology, huh? 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2004.92 2008.08 Yeah I think it's it's easy for that, where are you, but then it says I'm here. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2005.16 2006.16 Technologies, uh. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2008.88 2009.97 Makes it possible to 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2007.57 2008.88 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2017.78 2018.01 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2015.55 2017.78 You can talk into the corner. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2008.18 2009.1 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2009.1 2015.55 But then you should also find a place You could if you do it like this you could put it in a corner or something. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2009.5 2009.73 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2015.32 2015.48 Mm. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2016.69 2017.63 Yeah, a microphone, yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2021.44 2027.87 so it makes it possible to uh just put it arou uh underneath it or on the on the bottom of the uh remote. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2017.54 2021.44 Not even necessary, because a lotta you can make a very sensitive microphone 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2018.68 2018.96 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2027.22 2027.49 Yeah. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2027.46 2032.6 Yeah maybe at the bottom where you can can hel hold it with you hand that there's also a microphone uh 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2028.18 2028.68 But 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2030.36 2031.73 Yeah, that's also. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2030.69 2030.94 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2033.26 2033.44 Right. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2033.7 2034.22 over there. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2034.28 2036.14 So, in the middle or something. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2034.83 2040.12 But that's not import I think that's not im very important because yeah, it doesn't matter where the microphone is. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2035.67 2036.21 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2043 2043.67 Right? 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2039.65 2043 but you should uh decide where you want to put it. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2042.1 2043.91 Ah okay, sure, okay, well tha 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2044.9 2048.11 Um I think where it isn't seen 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2045.43 2045.69 Underneath? 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2049.35 2050.1 the most. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2049.6 2051.35 Indeed. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2051.35 2053.33 It shouldn't be uh very uh visible. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2052.35 2053.21 Inside. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2052.38 2055.89 You could p you could put it in a logo of the company. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2055.3 2055.82 Yeah. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2055.82 2058.92 Well maybe just in the the spot you just pointed out 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2055.39 2056.28 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2056.28 2058.53 I i between the round of the R. . 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2055.46 2056.27 Yeah sure, why no 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2058.78 2060.44 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2059.8 2059.94 Yeah. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2060.03 2063.16 because I think it should be in a in an important position where people can see it,
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2063.16 2067.61 because it is the the unique uh idea of our remote, huh, the the speech control. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2067.09 2067.89 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2067.89 2068.83 So where do you want to put it? 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2067.71 2068.55 Yeah, okay. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2069.17 2071.68 Well maybe where the one hand 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2069.48 2073.26 Yeah but it doesn't makes it uh any more fancy because you get to see uh 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2072.66 2077.09 Yeah actually it does because it you can you can find it better if you use it. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2073.31 2073.64 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2077.57 2079.39 Yeah bu but 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2078.29 2079.9 It's a way for you to uh 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2080.08 2080.66 Uh. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2081.11 2083.51 So it makes more sense just 'cause other remotes don't have that. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2083.67 2084.69 Yeah, okay. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2084.88 2087.69 But are we talking about the button, or about the microphone? 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2087.69 2095.79 Yeah because a microphone is very small thing, but you can make it look like it's big so as its its really an important function of the remote. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2087.12 2088.46 About a microphone, there is no button. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2091.69 2091.96 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2097.98 2101.92 I think the left s under corner should be the best. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2104.13 2107.02 Where isn't i it isn't most in sight. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2107.57 2107.82 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2110.28 2111.15 Well put it there. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2111.15 2113.53 I don't mind. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2109.37 2110.28 Okay. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2113.53 2115.06 That doesn't doesn't really matter. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2109.71 2110.08 I think. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2116.8 2117.52 Actually doesn't. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2115.48 2116.8 No. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2119.96 2120.3 So? 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2118.6 2119.96 Okay. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2119.37 2119.69 Alright. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2120.77 2121.56 Any more uh 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2121.83 2124.88 So well uh type, supplements, 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2125.36 2126.17 Interface type. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2126.52 2130.41 Yeah, well we already s discussed that, huh, the the L. C. D. and 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2126.07 2126.52 anything. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2128.69 2131.85 The L. C. D. yeah, uh supplements well the supplement is to yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2129.91 2130.21 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2141.19 2143.39 If you want to go back you have to back button go back 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2143.39 2147.44 if you want to choose audio settings you press audio settings and it goes to that s sub-menu. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2137.15 2141.19 I think it's better to just up what you'd like to do on the screen. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2129.95 2137.15 I think I thought the, like you said, like scroll next to the remote isn't that handy. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2135.31 2135.64 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2143.13 2143.39 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2148.69 2150.25 Hey,. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2152.17 2154.3 Um yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2154.3 2158.08 Yeah the the young people do like uh scroll uh yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2157.39 2159.48 Yeah I think so too. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2156.39 2157.39 Use the scroll. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2159.48 2161.52 So why not, on on side. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2157.04 2157.4 Yeah? 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2157.4 2158.07 You do like it? 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2166.38 2170.73 and I think you can never get through a menu great with a scroll uh 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2161.67 2166.38 Or at least Yeah I don't know if it's really the scroll, but the menu they like most 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2169.16 2170.02 Fast, yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2172.98 2177.55 Becau I think the scroll's easier if you have a lot of options, but if you don't have a lot of option then 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2171.36 2172.98 Yeah I think it is is faster. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2171.58 2173.14 So if you've got a settings, if you 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2175.83 2176.1 Yes. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2176.85 2180.44 But you have it's f uh we have five or four or something. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2187.04 2193.39 you should scroll scroll down uh on a menu which probably does not fit on your screen. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2177.48 2178.38 You have a lot of options 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2193.39 2200.5 So then it's uh very handy to to scroll down, you make just a rubber just like uh on your mouse or. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2178.38 2187.04 because when you use Yeah you get w when you use uh the settings menu for example to look up some uh uh some channels on your uh on your television 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2200.5 2202.6 Just put it on the side and it's very easy to use. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2180.01 2180.44 Y 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2186.71 2186.98 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2190.1 2190.38 Uh-huh. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2192.46 2193.48 Yeah, okay, true. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2193.01 2193.29 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2196.38 2196.64 Okay. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2202.83 2203.52 Okay, no problem. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2204.04 2211.48 And I think I would it would make even more fancy because you have another interesting thing on the side which you can touch and 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2208.66 2209.73 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2211.3 2212.61 It's also different. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2209.59 2211.3 Yeah. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2212.44 2212.65 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2212.8 2213.08 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2213.71 2213.96 Okay. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2215.61 2218.71 Well there's our five minutes uh warning. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2214.4 2215.61 Okay. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2218.71 2224.81 Um any more uh questions about about the design or the user interface or different components, everyone? 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2221.96 2222.46 Um. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2224.79 2229.85 No, colours are clear, shape is clear, material is clear. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2227.67 2229.34 Everybody think they can can 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2229.83 2230.92 Okay, what's the standard colour? 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2231 2232.3 work for that? 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2232.3 2233.3 Is there a standard colour? 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2231.69 2234.19 And a standard, yeah we don't no we have different colour. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2234.19 2235.77 How many colours are we going to 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2233.38 2237.44 I I You got you got different colours, but you should have a standard colour. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2235.02 2238.71 You should you should have a black one because uh I think black is standard. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2237.84 2238.27 Black. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2238.27 2240.09 Yeah, black I think is is the standard. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2239.82 2241.86 With the with the yellow uh 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2238.79 2239.82 Black? 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2240.46 2242.34 But if you want to be different, then uh 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2241.25 2243.62 Dark grey, something like this this colour or something. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2243.91 2246.25 Just a regular uh remote colour. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2246.25 2249.67 And then have uh different covers uh to use. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2244.92 2246.71 Yeah like like yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2246.71 2247.76 Or or silver. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2249.14 2250.89 I think it's better to have silver nowadays. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2251.54 2252.11 Silver, yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2251.67 2252.14 Silver. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2252.17 2253.98 I think you see more silver than black. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2252.44 2252.6 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2253.08 2254.78 You see a lot of t uh silver televisions. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2253.77 2258.54 But still silver and black are well silver is new but also traditional, so uh 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2254.89 2255.88 Silver rubber. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2255.25 2257.71 Yeah the the silver black are our main colours. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2257.71 2258.65 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2258.65 2265.28 I think we have silver, black and between those is like I dunno s five colours between them or something. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2265.25 2267.14 Yeah w what about a yellow thing, I mean it 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2267.11 2268.8 Yeah y I think it's better to 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2267.48 2269.5 Yeah yeah yeah it'll be a banana yellow, we have. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2269.01 2270.64 could be ugly, but it's definitely fancy. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2270.5 2271 R red. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2270.94 2273.08 But yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2272.46 2273.25 That's right. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2273.25 2279.15 But if you use uh silver, uh rubber s silver rubber isn't fancy. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2271.19 2272.46 Yeah th yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2275.63 2275.87 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2273.07 2275.63 Green, wood, brown. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2280.52 2280.77 True. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2285.96 2288.46 Silver has to shine, and rubber doesn't shine. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2281.19 2285.96 When you use titanium, silver is fancy, but when you use silver rubber, it isn't fancy. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2283.13 2283.5 Yeah. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2288.98 2289.3 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2290.15 2292.11 Especially when it's made of soft rubber like this. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2293.54 2293.83 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2295.58 2297.41 You understand? 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2296.71 2297.29 Yeah, I understand. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2297.62 2300.75 Yeah I would think about colours like uh red, yellow, green, blue, just 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2300.71 2307.07 The fruity colours and the autumn colours, like red and brown, dark red and brown. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2299.66 2300.71 Yeah o of course. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2299.8 2300.15 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2301.88 2302.79 Fruity. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2302.79 2303.53 Fruity loops. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2301.91 2302.06 Yeah. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2301.92 2303.16 Just all kind of colour. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2306.37 2307.16 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2307.75 2307.92 Yeah. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2307.16 2307.75 Maroon. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2307.54 2307.78 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2309.59 2309.89 Okay. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2311 2312.28 Okay, so 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2311.73 2313.8 And and do we have to have a normal black one, or uh 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2323.75 2326.02 I wrote it down here what to do um. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2316.54 2320.16 I thought we Okay, so uh that wraps it up? 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2340.08 2347.34 and of course to all four of us uh specific instructions will be emailed by our personal coach. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2315.27 2316.54 You are pingin Okay. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2330.34 2340.08 and especially notice that uh the Industrial Designer and the User Interface Designer are going to work together on a prototype drawing on a smart board 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2314.36 2315.27 Who's pinging? 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2328.42 2330.34 Um here are the individual actions 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2321.94 2323.75 Well I wrote it down here. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2320.16 2321.94 Everybody knows uh what to do? 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2326.02 2328.42 The next meeting is once again in thirty minutes. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2314.39 2315.03 Is it 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2315.17 2315.82 No. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2316.5 2317.79 You ping. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2320.44 2320.71 Yeah. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2323.89 2325.67 Not what to do. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2322.55 2323.89 Well not what to do. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2325.67 2326.17 Look. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2322.71 2325.07 Well I don't know what to do, but. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2328.3 2328.64 Okay. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2334.71 2335.04 Ooh. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2338.06 2338.59 Right. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2339.27 2341.12 S tough. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2340.07 2340.4 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2344.33 2345.15 We'll be available. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2346.28 2350.48 But do we have to We'll work together, but do we have to stay here, or do we 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2354.26 2356.37 I don't know. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2350.66 2354.26 Well I I'd say just wait uh for email and uh find out. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2356.37 2358.42 Okay well that was what I had to say, uh, 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2352.44 2352.88 Right. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2354.1 2355.27 Yes. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2355.27 2355.94 Okay. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2355.46 2356.58 Thin I think we should work. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2357.76 2358.79 Yeah I think. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2362.05 2362.46 We're finished. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2362.46 2363.63 Okay, well thank you very much. 
TS3005c H00 MTD017PM 2359.84 2362.05 final thoughts from anyone, or? 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2361.35 2361.65 No. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2361.83 2362.04 No. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2363.69 2363.85 Yeah. 
TS3005c H03 MTD020ME 2364.23 2364.79 Finished. 
TS3005c H02 MTD018ID 2364.71 2365.44 Thank you very much. 
TS3005c H01 FTD019UID 2366.04 2369.52 So we have to keep talking English now? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1.49 1.99 Good. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 3.48 3.84 Beep. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 7.84 7.94 Oh. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 9.09 9.35 What? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 9.27 12.41 So well uh welcome everyone. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 12.41 14.64 Um as you may have noticed I uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 11.69 11.89 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 24.03 31.36 I don't know if everybody uh put their own uh documents in the right folder, which is for now the detailed design meeting. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 15.85 24.03 created separate folders because it was uh tending to get a little busy in our uh shared project documents uh folder. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 18.03 18.28 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 31.47 32.1 That's new one? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 32.43 33.62 We didn't make any uh 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 32.47 32.7 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 33.78 37.45 Uh, we should save that one. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 35.82 36.52 Oh in 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 36.65 37.85 Then I'll move this one. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 37.53 38.71 Didn't we just do that? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 39.07 41.14 Yeah, save in the folder. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 41.14 42.6 Save as project. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 40.58 40.93 Oh. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 48.28 51.18 And we have a evaluation left here. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 51.18 51.94 Okay. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 42.07 48.28 Oh no, this is just one big document, so you can leave that wherever it is. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 45.47 45.85 Oh, okay. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 47.99 48.99 Hmm hmm. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 55.52 55.96 Agenda. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 62.8 66.33 Um well the detailed design meeting Huh? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 58.65 60.36 Oh uh yes. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 56.36 58.65 Well not main documents this time. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 60.36 62.8 I have it open myself I guess. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 58.32 58.56 Hmm? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 70.25 72.61 Um what are we going to do? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 73.8 81.01 Um I'm still going to take some minutes, and if I'm right, you two are going to give a prototype presentation? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 67.42 70.25 We're finally getting somewhere hopefully. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 72.61 73.8 I've opened it already. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 76.45 76.81 Oh, sorry. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 81.68 83.21 We could. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 83.74 88.01 And uh m did you do something with evaluation criteria? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 82.76 83.74 Yes, you are. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 90.85 99.37 And uh then we have to look at something which is less nice, the finance uh aspect, whether we can afford what we have designed 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 88.01 88.42 Good. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 110.67 113.32 Okay, well finance uh will be later. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 82.17 82.76 Aren't you? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 88.42 90.85 And we have a correct agenda. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 113.32 115.34 Now I'd like to give the word to you two. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 99.37 105.56 and if we can we can uh commence the final part which is the production or project evaluation,
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 105.56 110.67 how did we work together and what are the results, and how happy are we with those. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 87.08 87.35 Yep. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 87.35 87.59 Yep. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 99.37 101.3 Oops. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 115.61 115.85 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 115.88 116.11 Okay. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 122.27 123.94 just 'Kay. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 119.81 122.27 Get up stand up. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 120.3 124.74 Well uh we made a prototype. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 124.74 126.68 We first start with the overall uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 131.52 132.18 We made it green. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 128.4 131.52 This is about the total remote control. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 128.47 128.86 View. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 133.6 137.94 Just example colour, so uh there's one of the colours we would like to uh see in our prototype. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 134.78 135.05 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 137.19 138.44 It's a fresh colour. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 138.44 140.61 And uh the screen light blue. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 141.84 147.03 Oh uh this the scroll button and the microphone on the on the sides here under. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 147.03 150.67 And the R. and R. logo, it just says R. and R. now, but uh 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 152.5 152.96 Okay? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 153.03 154.58 Any questions so far? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 154.78 155.5 Big microphone. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 155.82 160.35 yeah, just uh just an idea about how to m th that could also be possible. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 156.52 157.13 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 158.34 158.85 Oh okay. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 159.79 162.78 That's the place where it's going to be, not the size. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 161.19 164.8 Uh well, it's an idea in a so. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 161.46 161.91 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 164.28 167.68 Oh y you perhaps you should make it a bit big, so people know it's there and uh 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 168.66 169.33 Do not forget it. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 169.66 170 Uh 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 170.24 170.61 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 175.16 180.72 The microphone could be just a minor uh hole uh on the left uh button. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 180.72 181.94 Okay um 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 171.2 175.16 To function it it doesn't really have to be sm uh big of course. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 175.29 175.9 Of course. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 174.51 175.29 Yeah, okay. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 174.65 174.86 Hmm. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 178.28 179.42 Mm, th yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 177.75 178.28 Mm. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 180.67 181.08 Small. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 187.73 194.24 Uh using the scroll button on sides uh y uh I uh um 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 183.37 187.73 we also made some uh ideas about how uh the options menu would work. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 194.96 199.85 You push the scroll button and it's claps out if there's a 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 196.12 197.24 Yeah, you push the scroll button 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 198.57 205.54 and a drop down menu or a pull out menu comes out and uh you get uh you get the options uh becoming available. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 205.54 210.72 For example uh T. V. settings, uh remote settings, et cetera. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 210.72 217.71 So uh you can scroll down too with the scroll uh button, uh as you can see oh, it's here, just push it in 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 217.71 223.92 uh the menu comes out like this and uh i it all becomes visible. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 223.92 224.82 Um 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 207.95 209.54 Remote settings, et cetera. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 210.5 210.71 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 224.46 230.87 And you could also touch it so that it comes out, and and use the the the scroll thing as a with your fingers. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 223.47 224.46 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 226.28 227.73 Yeah, that's c Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 231.47 231.75 Indeed. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 232.16 232.41 Yes. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 232.96 238.87 Okay, um it's also uh nice to see that um we made a small uh menu 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 255.41 256.6 but in uh Yes. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 245.81 255.41 whi which is used uh which should still be used and we think that it's uh very handy to put it uh not uh under the options menu 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 243.89 245.81 and the opportunity to use the teletext 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 238.87 243.89 uh the options menu uh becoming available when pressing the uh scroll uh button 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 257.66 258.83 In an apart uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 258.45 258.7 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 259.44 261.63 So a separate button for for text, okay. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 260.2 261.58 In a separate button, yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 261.56 264.87 Perhaps we should use the teletext sign in p yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 260.7 261.56 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 269.45 272.24 Would you like to make any comments about next uh 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 264.16 266.45 A sign, yeah, just like Okay, indeed. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 266.45 269.14 Okay, we can uh modify that later. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 269.14 269.45 Okay. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 266.32 266.47 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 267.07 268.02 Forgot. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 281.75 285.7 We can erase it, but It's the button where you can switch channels. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 300.2 304.06 Uh this the one number or two numbers button. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 285.7 292.68 just when you are one and you go to two, you can or if you go to five, you can go back to one with that button. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 294.25 295.51 It has a name. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 279.76 281.75 We put ano an an extra button in. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 292.68 294.25 Yeah, that one, yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 306.25 309.52 And uh in the middle the the mute. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 271.86 276.68 Uh well, this is the total interface uh that f of the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 276.68 279.76 Uh the numbers, which is pretty straight forward. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 295.51 300.2 And uh uh we put that in, I thought it would be handy there. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 304.06 306.25 Below that, the page and the sound. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 292.7 293.81 Previous page, yeah, indeed. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 295.89 296.42 Oh my God. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 310.64 312.89 Uh battery indicator. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 312.89 316.14 It's it's a bit big. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 316.14 319.7 And this is the uh the on off uh knop, the stand by uh knop. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 311.43 315.02 It's quite large. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 322.88 325.05 And the options uh of teletext. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 320.76 322.88 Or at least it should look like it. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 340.57 344.05 'Cause if you put it on the top you always get see the the options menu. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 334.7 340.57 so it's very uh when you uh when you use it, doesn't uh become irritating to see. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 325.48 334.7 You can see very clearly now that the uh teletext and options menu isn't uh taking uh much uh uh it's taking much part of the screen,
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 323.77 325.48 Okay. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 340.66 341.03 Huh. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 345.29 349.53 'Cause people regularly uh read from left top to right down, so 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 349.32 349.56 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 351.57 353.59 Well this about it, I think. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 351.02 351.57 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 354.22 355.2 Okay. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 355.2 355.41 Huh. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 354.84 355.06 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 358.06 358.45 Looks good. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 357.33 358.06 Thank you. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 357.72 362.6 I will put it back on the on the nice green. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 361.84 364.89 And I just missed when I was typing The R. R. stands for? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 367.21 370.64 It's th th right now it's only R. R., but uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 365.08 367.21 That's the logo of the Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 366.36 368.16 Logo, okay. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 368.16 369.85 Okay well 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 371.43 371.99 Full screen. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 373.07 378.09 I would have recognised it if it were the right colours of course. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 373.82 374.13 Shit. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 376.19 377.19 Sorry. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 375.1 376.19 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 375.14 377.33 Alright. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 376.34 376.62 'Kay. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 380.46 382.87 Okay, the evaluation criteria, huh? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 380.92 382.36 Oh full screen, yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 382.07 382.26 Huh. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 382.99 384.35 Evaluation. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 385.58 390.49 'Kay, my task was this time to put up a questionnaire 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 404.11 404.82 The methods. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 391.76 401.61 by which we can evaluate the design of the remote control by the questions we requirements from the of the users. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 401.61 404.11 My name, my job, okay. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 403.73 406.35 My name, my job. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 406.68 412.19 Questionnaire with seven point scale from one to seven, from true to false,
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 412.19 418.63 like question, is remote big enough, we can say it's true or it's false by steps. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 412.38 412.52 Right. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 419.92 423.54 One means absolutely not true, seven means true. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 423.92 424.07 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 425.68 435.73 The three important things of refa are uh from th of this year is are, is the remote control fancy enough, 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 426.29 432.28 Sorry, you used the PowerPoint 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 436.45 436.72 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 437.05 440.75 is it in innovative enough, and is it easy enough to use. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 443.2 444.53 And then evaluation itself. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 451.11 451.43 Uh. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 452.39 454.09 What? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 454.09 454.44 Bling. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 452.56 453.03 So. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 457.04 458.54 Is the design fancy enough? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 454.24 455.51 Okay. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 455.51 457.04 First question. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 455.42 455.81 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 459.87 460.15 Well 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 460.16 461.49 Project Manager, what do you think? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 462.22 466.05 Well it's looks fancy, especially with the green colour. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 466.05 469.38 And the the curves which we decided, huh? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 463.82 464.66 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 465.35 466.4 But does it 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 469.31 469.63 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 471.28 473.06 Only what happened to the single curve 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 474.2 475.5 we spoke about last meeting? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 474.27 476.71 Now uh the single curved idea was uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 474.57 476.1 It uh oh it's in the background. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 476.1 476.46 Oh. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 478.3 479.89 Yeah, okay, you ge um 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 479.93 482.43 Y you should make uh a sideways uh view. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 481.02 482.21 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 482.21 484.65 The sideways view, uh that that that ma 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 484.05 486.25 It will be, I guess. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 486.25 487.06 Oh, we can 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 487.71 491.94 Not that pen. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 486.29 487.71 Ho not that pen. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 493.84 496.06 Uh can I draw here or uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 488 493.84 Oh g I would smart board. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 491.69 493.55 Well it might work one time, huh. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 496.11 496.66 Suppose so. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 496.43 496.73 Think. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 498.43 498.62 Ooh. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 498.58 499.29 Ah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 499.29 500.06 Oh my God, it works. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 498.74 499.56 Yeah, yeah, you can. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 499.47 506.46 So it would be uh something like this from the side, but with a bit of uh curve here, right? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 506.97 508.18 Yeah, that's the single curve indeed. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 508.11 508.39 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 509.44 511.05 So if you v flip it like this. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 511.44 511.82 Yep. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 511.48 511.82 Okay. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 512.14 513.12 Here's yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 512.73 522.65 That's not very i it's also uh very handy if you make a side curve way to make the the remote control very thin at the bottom uh at a bottom at a bottom. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 527.96 533.01 which takes uh in some uh space, and the batteries can be located over there, so uh 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 522.65 527.96 Uh make it uh rather thick on the top, because uh on the top it has uh the screen,
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 532.55 536.29 So you just make the back of this part a bit bigger, so that it lays a bit o 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 531.87 532.55 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 535.36 535.57 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 535.66 538.08 Isn't going to be a little bit heavy at the top? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 539.41 541.94 Yeah, that's a bit of problem maybe. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 540.41 540.91 No. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 541.91 548.71 With two batteries, the whole print plate and t and top, and if you're holding it quite a lot I think 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 544.83 545.14 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 546.74 551.27 I think yeah, the battery should be in here, because it's just nothing, so if you could 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 549.04 549.27 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 550.4 550.67 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 551.04 551.82 Okay, indeed. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 551.82 552 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 552.28 553.1 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 553.1 554.16 'Cause otherwise I think i 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 556.25 556.64 Okay. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 553.12 556.25 Okay, but we have to rate uh these things now? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 555.88 557.17 Is it fancy enough? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 557.17 559.64 True is one, false is seven. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 554.7 555.88 Yeah, we have to rate. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 561 567.05 So fancy enough means, does it comes to the younger people and the elder people. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 567.73 569.41 I think it does. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 569.41 572.58 I if you don't make it green, then the elder people won't won't like it. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 569.44 570.28 It's pretty fancy. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 568.46 569.44 I think so. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 569.03 569.57 I think 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 571.98 576.72 Yeah, I have to agree, all the colour colours don don doesn't matter that m that much now, it's only design. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 573.53 574.25 you get th 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 573.74 574.04 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 575.74 576 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 577.64 578.33 I think it does. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 578.51 578.66 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 579.32 579.8 And the design. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 580.16 584.61 Well I think uh especially because of the microphone and the L. C. D. screen also. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 580.37 580.55 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 582.64 583.27 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 583.27 585.36 I don't know whether older people will use it, but 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 585.95 586.29 Well 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 584.8 585.95 Very new thing. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 587.03 587.43 So 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 587.37 588.84 Fancy the old people will. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 587.64 589.4 I would make it a two or something. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 589.69 590 A two? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 590.53 590.76 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 590.66 594.53 It's true, it's a one. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 594.53 595.45 Very fancy. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 592.22 592.44 Huh? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 593.79 594.78 Alright, it's a one. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 594.78 597.9 Oh it's a one. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 598.14 600.59 Little bit strange we have to judge that ourselves, huh? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 595.5 598.14 No, it's a two. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 600.79 605.68 Yeah, I n used I wouldn I should use that one, but it doesn't 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 600.98 601.17 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 605.72 607.71 But it's a one uh Maybe uh 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 608 609.04 True is a one. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 609.04 610.9 Very true, is it very true or isn't that true? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 606.91 608 Okay, no it's two? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 609.03 609.63 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 613.04 614.98 Well I'd say two on a scale 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 613.14 614.96 Well they think it's very true, but uh 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 614.57 617.46 It's very true, because we designed it to be very fancy, so 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 614.97 615.7 Yeah, I think two. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 618.29 618.66 Yeah, but 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 620.02 622.01 Have you ever seen a remote control like this? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 618.6 620.02 It's very fancy, I think. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 619.58 620.95 We should perhaps 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 622.59 624.72 No, okay well, that's true. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 623.28 624.91 No, okay, so so it's fancy. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 623.82 624.79 That's fancy enough. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 623.92 624.41 That not. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 625.47 625.78 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 627.37 627.69 Then? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 627.55 628.48 Okay, one two. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 628.48 631.53 That doesn't matter that much, so make it a one. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 630.53 631.94 Let's give it a two. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 629.4 630.53 Okay. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 631.94 633 Is it innovative? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 629.78 630.29 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 634.05 637.89 I think it is, because it has an L. C. D. screen, a mi microphone. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 634.34 634.72 Enough. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 635.94 636.65 Yeah m 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 638.53 641.62 And uh uh the scroll is rubber, so s 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 639.02 640.51 We have for the search function. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 639.15 641 It's from rubber. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 641 642.08 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 642.41 645.57 The scroller a bit I think it's it's a one yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 642.83 645.04 Eno enough to I think. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 643.7 645.37 It's a one I think. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 647.07 647.29 True. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 653.64 657.42 That was a big requirement of the old people. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 649.49 653.64 Also huh uh-huh the buttons, are they easy to find? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 657.71 659.28 Yeah, because they're right on your screen. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 660.48 663.4 So you can use the b the the arrows. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 665.25 665.45 Huh. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 665.56 669.5 They're right on your screen, so I don't know where you'd search. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 669.5 669.78 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 668.04 669.53 With the ones 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 668.73 670.61 Are all the buttons easy to find? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 670.61 672.14 Not only this buttons, all the buttons. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 671.94 674.29 Well, I think they are. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 676.85 681.8 The options are it uh little bit harder, but if you touch the options then it's uh 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 676.94 677.34 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 680 681.44 Take a harder look, yeah, sure. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 681.92 682.68 I think th it's 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 682.99 686.53 It's easier than the regular uh remote control. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 683.39 683.87 easy t 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 687.69 694.31 I think th I think the options buttons are not the the easiest way to to 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 686.56 687.69 Yeah, I think this is easy now. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 686.62 688.62 Yeah, and you use these buttons the most, huh? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 688.62 688.9 So 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 688.54 688.84 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 695.32 697.77 No they're not, but they're they're they are easy to find. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 696.32 696.82 to handle. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 698.65 698.84 True. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 701.36 702.24 I would rate it a 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 701.76 712.37 they are a lot easier to find than uh th than on the regular remote controls where you have to uh find out what which sign or icon means on uh every button. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 712.37 718.05 So you have t you have to use the the the manual to understand most Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 701.47 701.76 Yeah 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 707.13 707.39 Oh. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 711.2 712.63 Yeah, okay, that's true, that's true. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 711.8 712.06 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 712.43 713.57 So which 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 714.06 717.34 But that's that's vantage of L. C. D. screen, you can have text. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 717.79 720.43 So which number are we going to fill in? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 719.69 720.65 I would say yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 719.99 722.33 I think it's uh it's a two, at least. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 721.85 722.27 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 724.09 725.06 Yeah, you can make it a two. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 725.07 726.79 Two, three and what do you think? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 724.22 725.07 A two, yeah? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 725.25 725.52 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 725.67 726.79 It's not perfect, but 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 726.95 728.51 I think it's a three. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 729.39 730.18 A three? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 730.18 730.83 And why is that? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 730.04 732.24 Okay, so we have two, two, three. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 737.63 742.52 I I think if you have the button at the right, I don't think you can find the option button that easy. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 730.55 737.63 I personally think, because I d I don't think i maybe it's easy to use, it has to be easy to find right away. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 745.01 745.27 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 744.01 745.01 You can touch it. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 741.4 744.01 Yeah, but you don't have t have to use the button on the right. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 743.99 745.03 You can touch it. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 747.32 748.76 It said bo both the options. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 747.75 749.07 You you can touch options. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 748.27 754.57 Yeah, okay, but you have y then you have here s written option on here, the teletext button, right? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 754.57 755.56 Okay, then okay, good. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 755.56 756.56 Then I think also two, yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 754.01 754.26 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 754.33 754.61 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 756.65 758.39 You can touch options and it's comes out. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 757.62 759.45 A two, okay, because we have to 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 758.28 758.42 Yep. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 758.62 759.59 A two, a two. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 759.27 761.98 The uh the um Below. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 760.68 762.18 It's the box below it, huh? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 760.91 763.04 Uh the next question the next question. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 763.04 764.02 Oh my God. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 765.53 767.27 Otherwise we have two results in one question. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 767.28 769.27 It's different. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 768.92 769.91 Okay, next question. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 769.57 773.07 It's easy to use, as well for younger as elderl elderly people. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 774.38 776.26 For young people I think it's easy to use. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 778.15 780.3 Young means sixteen to forty years. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 780.3 782.84 And elderly from forty eight to their death. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 778.68 781.56 Yeah, I was uh Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 780.3 780.79 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 782.43 783.36 I think it's 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 783.05 790.48 I think it's the most useful uh remote control ever to be manufactured. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 790.48 796.52 Yeah, but because it has the regular uh controls, li uh as you can see in the screen now, and uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 787.46 790.94 In the entire mankind. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 788.27 790.89 Okay, you're very enthusiastic about your own design, huh? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 789.49 791.75 Also if you're sixty years old 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 803.32 805.77 So it's t I think it's really easy to use. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 805.77 807.32 You want these options to 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 797.84 803.32 you don't have all the other options uh always uh on your screen. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 803.55 803.8 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 805.97 806.63 Also 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 806.5 808.2 As well for the for the older people? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 807.82 812.79 Yeah, as well as your if you're fif sixty years old, you're holding one of those things in your hand 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 808.24 808.69 Uh sure. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 810.67 811.57 Yeah, but uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 812.33 816.35 Yeah, but they they don't want the uh extra options, right? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 816.35 816.52 So 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 815.44 819.82 No, but we're going to th make this f for a all kind of people, so it it it has to be 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 818.41 821.1 And would it be easy for them to use the speech recognition? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 818.84 820.02 Yeah, okay, but so they could 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 823.2 824.12 If they read a manual. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 821.81 823.2 Uh I think it is. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 824.14 825.63 Because that might Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 825.63 826.55 Okay, well 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 824.35 827.48 If you read the manual, always. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 825.68 827.78 Perhaps that is one of the most uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 825.74 827.55 Yeah, alright. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 828.84 831.44 M maybe that's the most user friendly and easy to use. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 839.28 841.5 And that's everything it does, the speech recognition. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 828.96 831.66 Because it it's not it's not it's it's not uh difficult. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 831.66 839.28 You say you say uh record to to the to the speech recognition, then you say the question and the answer. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 829.06 830.14 Uh because a lot of 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 832.99 834.29 Channel one, channel four, yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 843.06 847.53 Yeah, well maybe that would make it even more easy to use for them. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 844.91 845.21 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 847.27 848.58 I think it would make it uh 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 849.64 851.62 Because all the people who can't uh 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 847.81 849.64 Yeah, I think it does. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 849.12 849.36 So 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 851.2 852.19 I would make it two. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 852.67 853.68 Also two? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 853.68 855.71 Not a seven for this? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 853.33 853.62 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 855.55 855.73 Oh. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 854.71 855.55 Sure, two. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 853.68 854.71 Uh a two. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 854.92 858.07 Three? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 856.07 856.87 I'd say three. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 858.83 859.94 I would also say three. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 860.53 860.79 You? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 860.25 860.53 Oh. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 860.45 862.73 Okay, so we have three three two two or 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 862.35 862.6 Two. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 863.9 864.32 Well 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 863.21 863.9 Oh. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 867.92 869.32 Uh 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 866.52 867.92 Okay, a three, I see. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 863.93 866.52 So what are we going to do? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 865.69 867.96 Two and a half. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 868.42 869.42 No. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 867.96 868.42 Three? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 867.64 869.25 Give me more. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 870.75 871.57 Another question. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 872.08 873.87 Remotes overwhelmed with buttons. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 874.01 874.35 No. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 874.4 874.57 No. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 875.01 875.13 No. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 877.26 879.35 Tha that's a one, I think, that's definitely a one. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 875.77 877.26 No, that that's that's yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 876.66 878.59 But um I mean, that's definitely one. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 878.98 880.26 That's definitely our uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 882.07 883.2 Yeah, uh the remote score. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 881.08 882.07 It is. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 879.68 881.08 Oh nee, oh seven is it? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 882.04 882.35 Oh yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 881.49 882.04 No? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 882.57 883.47 A false, yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 882.69 883.2 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 887.52 892.32 because otherwise we can't uh calculate anything from the results, so 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 883.2 887.52 Yeah, but I think you should make it one scale with with one being good and seven being bad,
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 885.62 891.24 Yeah, I think isn't, this has to be something like isn't overwhelmed. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 888.99 890.14 It's not overwhelmed. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 891.26 891.48 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 892.27 892.77 Yeah, indeed. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 893.52 893.72 True. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 894.4 896.99 Okay, a one, because we designed for that, huh? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 894.51 894.69 Yep. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 896.69 901.16 Remote control has uh colours that different that meet different target groups. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 899.55 900.03 Yes. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 901.2 903.19 'Cause we make them in different colours, so that they uh 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 902.54 902.76 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 902.83 903.72 Yeah, is optional. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 902.85 903.25 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 904.18 904.58 That's true. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 904.29 908.59 Yeah, and I though w we had about single colours, but you can also make uh a wood colour,
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 908.59 911.91 not just one single colour but a wood-like thing, can't you? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 910.89 913.54 That it that it looks like wood, like something, yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 913.54 914.7 Uh I think you can. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 909.77 910.89 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 910.51 910.76 Huh. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 912.05 912.74 Also with rubber? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 914.33 916.69 Whether it looks like wood, it isn't w it isn't wood but 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 915.94 916.61 Yeah, okay. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 916.98 918.68 It it feels like rubber, but 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 920.84 922.47 So that's a one then, huh? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 919.95 920.84 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 917.84 919.95 You can make a print on rubber, can't you? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 919.61 919.88 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 920.4 920.55 Yeah? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 920.69 923.27 Well but then when you scratch it it does come off. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 922.65 923.62 That's a one? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 923.62 923.91 Okay. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 923.69 925.56 Yeah, it is it is harder to 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 924.17 925.07 So that's a bit 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 925.11 926.12 Do you have many questions? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 926.34 928.36 Uh I have 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 927.51 928.04 to like 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 929.07 930.08 Oh, okay well 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 930.47 931.72 Oh we have time. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 930.8 931.28 Geez. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 931.57 934.64 Yeah, but we have We also We have to get to the money. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 932.48 933.24 We're getting paid. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 933.24 935.08 We're getting paid. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 933.31 936.95 The material used is spongy, that that's uh that's a one, that's m rubber. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 936.7 936.93 What? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 937.21 938.87 What spongy. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 940.27 942.72 Oh but not it's not very spongy, because it's hard rubber. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 937.98 940.27 Yeah, yeah, it's very spongy. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 939.28 939.47 Uh. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 939.6 943.32 Yeah, I th think it's not the most spongy thing. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 943.74 944.69 I think it's a three. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 945.38 952.69 Yeah, it's a three, because you want to make it uh rather flexible but not too flexible, because it has a L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 945.51 945.87 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 945.91 946.41 Uh-huh, yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 948.68 949.58 Hard but 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 951.19 952.82 You can break it. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 950.6 951.19 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 952.82 953.24 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 954.86 955.94 Remote control is hard to lose. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 955.21 958.59 Hard to lose, yeah it sh and it's easy to find. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 956.54 958.42 Y yeah, you could you could call it. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 957.96 962.17 Y you can't you can't lose it if you're sixty years old. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 962.17 967.75 If first time see the thing you didn didn't adjust uh set the microphone, and then you lose it, then you have lost it. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 966.72 969.97 Yeah, y you can lose it, but it isn't hard to lose. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 970.27 970.99 It isn't hard, no. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 970.99 973.11 I think I think this is a two, personally. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 973.63 974.36 Two. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 976.07 980.83 Yeah, it it is there's the it's a six, you think? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 974.36 976.07 That it's hard to lose? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 975.33 975.69 No. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 976.77 977.61 Isn't hard to lose. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 977.19 980.67 Yeah, so isn't hard to lose you. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 978.62 980.58 Isn't hard to lose, yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 981.01 981.61 Isn't hard to lose. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 982.14 983.04 So it's a two. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 983.04 986.71 Yeah, you can lose it, so I don't you can make it a three I 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 984.49 984.72 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 985.45 986.01 You can't lose it. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 987.84 989.51 It does have an a built in function. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 987.91 990.76 Or if you're you're sixty years old, your demands 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 989.64 990.29 Yeah, but a har 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 991.6 992.88 A hard to lose is good. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 995.52 996.72 It's difficult to lose it. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 992.88 995.52 So it should this question should be hard to lose. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 993.76 994.1 Nee. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 996.5 997 Oh right. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 995.24 996.5 Hard to lose. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 997.43 998.82 Yeah, this this is hard to lose. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 999.74 1003.23 Yeah, so then this is it is almost true, so a two. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 998.42 999.74 It is hard to lose. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1000.97 1001.43 This 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1001.8 1004.14 I think yeah, I think also. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1001.86 1002.3 A two. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1003.38 1003.63 A two. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1004.08 1004.4 Two, yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1004.65 1004.86 Okay. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1006.07 1008.02 And most all because of the option to Whoa. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1007.4 1007.61 Huh? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1008.39 1009.28 Ooh. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1009.79 1010.6 Yeah, it's okay. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1010.6 1012.78 That happens above also. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1012.78 1015.2 But maybe when you scroll away and back it will be normal, but 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1012.57 1012.74 Oh. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1012.72 1012.94 Uh. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1013.65 1014.24 Oh, okay. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1012.9 1013.65 Yeah? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1018.11 1019.16 Remember. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1016.07 1016.46 Yep. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1016.46 1018.11 Oh, it isn't, well okay. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1016.22 1016.41 No. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1016.56 1017.25 Oh well, it doesn't. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1017.49 1020.68 put the cor cursor on the. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1021.36 1023.65 Remote control mainly be sold to younger people. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1019.56 1021.36 Okay okay okay. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1021.52 1021.71 Click. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1024.23 1024.47 True. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1024.4 1026.01 I think it will, yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1026.11 1026.31 True? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1025.36 1026.11 Yeah? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1025.63 1026.58 True. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1027.05 1027.58 Very true? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1028.07 1028.89 Uh yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1028.89 1029.54 Uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1028.33 1031.44 Uh well I a a two. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1028.78 1030.82 No, I don't think very true because the colours. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1029.02 1029.17 There. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1032.15 1033.09 We have the colours. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1033.09 1036.21 Um we have the buttons is aren't that that much. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1036.6 1037.66 Materials, yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1037.58 1039.12 Nah, the material isn't that 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1039.14 1040.75 It's it's much more younger. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1039.25 1040.57 Uh okay. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1040.57 1042.05 So ma uh make it make it a two. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1040.31 1042.86 So I don I think I think it's a three. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1043.93 1051.16 Well I think it's it's uh a lower number, so better because w we designed it for young people especially, didn't we? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1049.56 1050.42 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1050.42 1051.54 I think it's a two but 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1050.14 1050.98 Yeah, but I uh 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1052.01 1053.58 Okay, okay. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1053.58 1057.53 I think because yeah? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1052.83 1053.38 What do you think? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1054.1 1054.44 Questions? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1054.19 1054.4 A two? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1055.58 1057.34 I think it's two too, two too too. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1054.4 1055.58 I think it's two. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1055.29 1055.4 Two. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1056.26 1056.44 Uh-huh. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1057.43 1058.67 Two two two. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1058.67 1059.91 Let's make everything a two. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1059.38 1060.2 In the features? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1062.26 1062.88 Um 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1060.64 1062.26 Dissatisfy younger people. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1062.14 1063.22 Younger people. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1063.22 1063.84 It has 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1063.29 1064.19 Well perhaps not. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1065.33 1066.01 What did 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1065.52 1069.33 Because younger peoples are cr critical and they wanted a lot of features on this thing. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1068.83 1069.54 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1069.54 1070.58 Well that it doesn't. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1081.1 1083.06 Yeah, the speech possibility, the colours. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1069.63 1075.57 Well, n not exactly but uh uh if it had some games on it or something like that 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1075.57 1081.1 but it's for a remote control I think it i it would satisfy those needs. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1074.12 1076.02 Yeah bu but 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1079.09 1080.45 I think they like the speech. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1081.47 1084.63 You could call to your uh yeah, and the screen, yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1082.1 1083.9 L. C. D. screen and scroll. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1084.36 1085.58 Scroll options, yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1085.21 1090.79 I I think they'll be quite met with their expectations. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1090.47 1094.28 Yeah, but those are more fancy functions, not not really many features or something. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1094.96 1096.83 Right, that that that those are features. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1095.1 1095.43 No. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1095.77 1098.48 It has relatively few features, with 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1096.5 1100.82 It's three features, basically, the L. C. D. touch screen is feature. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1101.45 1101.77 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1101.98 1103.69 The microphone is a feature. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1102.35 1106.56 No, aren't the features the microphone's feature and that you can change the channel's feature,
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1111.95 1112.18 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1106.56 1111.95 and that you can change the volume is feature, and that you can change the options of the remote, uh uh something like that. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1107.17 1107.41 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1110.23 1110.93 Yeah, okay. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1110.68 1112.06 Ours had other features with 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1111.71 1116 I think yeah, and then you have the audio settings, channel setting, video settings. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1112.94 1114.4 The easy volume up button. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1115.23 1116.28 Those are features. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1115.69 1120.82 Remote younger people usually use the remote control to put on the volume. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1120.82 1121.96 Turn uh turn up the volume. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1121.25 1123.34 So I've chos I shou I think it's it's it's a one. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1119.28 1121.25 Yeah yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1124.52 1125.24 Enough features? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1130.96 1136.57 the you have all buttons on it which you'd like, microphone extra, L. C. D. screen extra, scroll 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1125.39 1130.96 I think once you've 'cause you have the channel features b uh you have the uh screen features, audio features,
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1124.96 1125.39 Personally, yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1137.8 1138.67 thing extra. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1138.73 1139.03 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1138.9 1140.44 Okay, you think one, what do you think? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1141.2 1143.08 I think two or three. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1144.82 1150.6 I'd say three, so two it is then or 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1141.72 1143.15 You. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1143.15 1144.82 three, yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1144.17 1144.44 Two. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1146.05 1146.57 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1146.57 1149.33 Yeah uh a two a two. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1150.57 1151.13 We like two. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1149.33 1150.57 Just another two. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1146.77 1147.86 Make it make it a two. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1147.88 1149.07 One two three. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1151.76 1153.61 You can see the remote control is R. and R. . 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1149.13 1151.76 Or make it uh a fucking two. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1150.74 1150.94 Right. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1156.43 1160.08 Uh it's not the colour, so maybe you should make two, but it has R. and R. . 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1153.78 1156.43 Yeah, there's R. and R. in front. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1154.16 1154.38 Uh. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1154.43 1155.56 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1155.56 1155.91 Yep. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1163.66 1165.23 And we'll probably make also a yellow one. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1159.95 1163.66 Has oh yeah, do did have nah y you have the black one. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1163.66 1163.98 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1165.36 1167.35 Yeah, but not R. and R. yellow I think. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1165.79 1166.39 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1166.39 1167.33 Yeah, maybe maybe two. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1167.33 1171.68 Well m th but the logo is on on the front, so a two, yeah, that's 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1168.02 1168.92 Maybe two. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1168.4 1169.24 Okay, true, yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1169.72 1171.98 One d on i it's the colours and the 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1169.97 1171.88 X. marks spot. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1171.88 1175.59 And the menu is avail that is available is easy to use. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1176.72 1179.22 I think it is, but I don't know what you think. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1183.99 1189.28 you get the the the various options uh entirely explained. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1179.17 1183.99 I think it's easier to use than a regular remote control, because when you push on the options menu 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1189.28 1190.45 Entirely explained. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1181.66 1182.71 Yeah, tha that's so true. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1189.24 1189.85 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1191.52 1195.25 Instead of uh just finding out what an icon means on a button. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1195.55 1195.9 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1197.52 1199.17 Yeah, uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1198.03 1204.96 And you can navigate easier, because wi with the you have to push the the the arrows and with a normal T. V. uh remote. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1199.4 1200.39 Yeah, you can navigate. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1203.73 1203.79 Uh. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1215.25 1221.94 Let's go th for I think it would be a t yeah, two. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1205.92 1212.16 I think that wou that would be quite hard to learn to use it. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1212.16 1215.25 No, I'm not not convinc. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1221.94 1224.77 Now lower. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1212.46 1214.9 Let's start over again then. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1211.24 1212.46 You're not satisfied, okay. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1213.14 1214.36 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1215.63 1216.17 Well 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1214.36 1215.63 Let's make a different remote. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1218.01 1218.79 Menu. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1223.57 1226.18 We only have twos. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1221.78 1223.57 A two? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1222.17 1223.3 A two. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1223.08 1226.2 Oh, well that's that's pretty good, huh? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1227.43 1227.67 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1225.83 1227.43 Oh yeah, I think so. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1227.47 1228.33 Uh just twos. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1228.33 1229.95 One three and a few ones. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1227.9 1234.67 So okay, we have one three, a one, that that have to got up. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1228.2 1228.77 And three. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1232.67 1233.33 Two threes. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1241.44 1242.89 That is quite good 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1238.58 1239.59 So two, yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1239.59 1241.44 The average is a two. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1235.76 1238.58 Two two two two two. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1237.38 1239.79 We m mostly have twos, so it's pretty good. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1240.66 1240.89 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1241.55 1242.38 The average. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1244.17 1245.7 I think so too. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1243.42 1244.17 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1244.54 1245.14 in my opinion. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1244.76 1245.8 Yeah, I think so. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1246.17 1247.15 That 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1248.21 1249.28 We can be happy. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1248.32 1248.78 Ooh. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1249 1253.33 Save. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1252.02 1252.06 Ooh. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1252.12 1253.84 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1253.84 1254.54 What is it? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1256.42 1257.25 A fly, yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1254.54 1256.42 It's like a bug or something. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1255.31 1255.94 It's a fly. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1257.1 1257.38 Oh m 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1258.72 1260.17 A f butterfly. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1260.84 1261.07 Top. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1262.6 1262.76 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1264.08 1264.47 That's it. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1264.42 1264.74 Okay. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1272.01 1273.61 Okay, good. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1273.61 1277.84 Um let's see oh, it isn't asked to save but it did already 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1265.17 1272.01 That was your evaluation uh show, okay, so we don't have to calculate anything because of um these results. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1266.44 1268.46 Yes. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1268.79 1269.66 Sure. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1270.94 1272.67 No, it's two. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1272.67 1273.38 The average is two. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1272.77 1273.79 It's good. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1273.79 1274.13 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1276.67 1277.36 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1277.36 1277.89 Exactly. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1277.35 1278.77 Yeah, I uh uh I uh saved it. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1278.06 1278.77 And this 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1280.27 1285.49 Well, the next part uh might be a little bit 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1278.8 1280.27 Everything okay. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1286.81 1288.15 difficult to do 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1289.44 1292.61 in a group, but I am willing to try it. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1294.65 1300.47 Because we are going to look at the finance and I have a nice Excel sheet to do that. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1298.32 1298.56 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1300.84 1302.05 Redesign. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1302.05 1304.5 No. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1305.97 1311.65 Um and we're going to calculate the production costs, and if they are uh under or at twelve Euro fifty, 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1305.31 1305.97 look on that. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1301.86 1305.31 And um I'm not sure if I put it in the project folder. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1308.25 1308.58 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1313.08 1319.49 we're good, and if they're not we're going to uh re-design, but we have to do that uh very very quick I think, yes. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1319.49 1320.74 Um I don't know if I 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1313.66 1313.95 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1315.66 1318.42 So we're going to erase features or something. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1321.05 1322.24 Do you have the cost or uh 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1322.24 1324.36 put the Excel sheet in the 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1324.61 1327.53 Let's hope. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1327.53 1329.46 We're going to be here at eight o'clock. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1325.54 1326.58 n not in the 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1326.64 1328.96 f fifty five Euros. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1327.88 1328.22 folder. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1328.22 1329 I think it's 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1330.68 1333.98 I think it's still in my own documents folder. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1334.88 1337.05 We're goin still going to be here at eight o'clock. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1337.2 1337.48 No. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1339.33 1340.38 I doubt it. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1340.38 1343.09 Perhaps we've got features that don't exist in the Excel sheet. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1339.45 1340.06 Oh shit. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1342.06 1344.34 Yeah mm yeah, maybe. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1345.17 1345.78 So 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1345.63 1349.74 No, it was in my uh my information, so uh 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1345.77 1349.45 The microphone. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1350.91 1353.81 maybe you're going scrap scrap it. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1349.45 1350.91 Yeah? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1348.51 1349.24 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1349.24 1350.46 It i It wasn't too much. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1350.39 1350.62 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1351.72 1353.2 As well as the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1353.2 1354.12 Whoa. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1355.73 1361.45 Um maybe I could ask one of you to uh fill it in, so that I can also uh take minutes 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1354.53 1355.73 Okay, well this is it. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1361.45 1367.25 and uh maybe the other can uh use that thing to count uh numerous functions. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1354.78 1355.8 Well, if it doesn't work 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1360.33 1361.82 I want to fill it in, but uh 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1361.09 1361.78 No prob. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1366.18 1366.37 Ah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1367.24 1368.89 But you should uh direct 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1368.86 1370.01 Li like write it be 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1368.15 1368.86 Count it? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1375.48 1380.68 No, uh count uh number of functions, because for every button you have to pay and there are different screen shots,
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1369.4 1372.48 Well we have to count some things and we have to think about some things. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1380.68 1383.35 so or different different screens, so 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1372.48 1375.48 But you have to fill in this column, huh? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1372.19 1372.57 Count it. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1372.57 1374.58 You got Excel to count. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1374.16 1375.14 The number of 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1378.62 1382.55 Well I dra uh Danny, Danny, I'll do that, because I draw the uh 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1377.52 1378.62 Oh okay. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1385.1 1385.8 Um 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1381.45 1381.68 Yeah? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1378.84 1380.7 Ah, okay, cool. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1381.68 1385.1 Oh, yea yeah, you design it. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1380.7 1381.45 Huh? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1385.86 1388.29 nee one battery, with two small batteries. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1383.34 1385.86 We've got a battery, one or t two batteries, or not? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1388.95 1389.55 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1391.47 1394.31 Do you use a hand dynamo, a battery, kinetic or solar cells? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1389.36 1391.47 Yeah, but it's it's more about the energy source, huh? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1394.43 1395.29 Right? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1396.85 1398.2 One battery, right? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1392.69 1394.43 I would do a battery we do. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1395.29 1396.85 A battery. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1391.62 1392.69 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1394.14 1394.77 Solar cell. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1394.77 1395.94 No it took a battery? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1395.35 1395.81 We'll wait. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1395.36 1397.04 No, no solar cell, no no no no. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1398.64 1399.17 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1398.74 1400.93 No hand dynamo. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1400.93 1403.06 Hand 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1398.82 1399.06 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1400.03 1405.53 Electronics, simple chip advanced chip, right? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1403.12 1404 We have 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1407.86 1409.74 But b al but we also have sample speaker, do 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1405.84 1407.86 No, we have sample speaker. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1406.64 1407.61 On advanced chip. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1409.73 1410.44 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1409.95 1412.81 Yeah, so this one and this one. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1414.17 1417.62 Uh we ha we have um single what? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1417.62 1418.1 Are we? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1418.1 1418.61 Oh yay. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1414.64 1415.76 Oh, we already on nine. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1419.08 1420.04 We have double curved. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1420.15 1421.51 The single. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1425.37 1428.22 But it isn't three dimensional, it isn't curved in a l 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1421.84 1425.37 Double curved was uh uh see uh ju three dimensional. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1420.16 1421.84 Single nee single curved. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1421.68 1422.21 Single. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1426.49 1427.43 This one is 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1426.62 1429.49 Oh the the it's not going to work uh people. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1429.49 1430.19 We have rubber. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1429.6 1431.94 This one is curved like this, right. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1431.94 1433.23 It's curved like this. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1431.49 1432.48 I'll just fill it in. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1435.35 1438.57 Uh that's the only curve you made, not th uh curved like that. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1438.57 1439.48 That's uh 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1432.63 1435.35 No no no, single curved is like this. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1433.35 1434.36 Um rubber indeed? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1435.16 1436.12 Yeah, bu what 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1441.25 1442.51 There are two curves, right? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1442.51 1445.24 Oh, okay I understand, I understand. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1445.24 1446.01 Rubber. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1439.45 1441.25 Oh, but we have curves like it and it. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1441.7 1442.3 Thirteen? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1443.52 1443.7 Huh? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1447.05 1447.39 No, eh? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1443.71 1446.1 With a scroll wheel, right? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1446.1 1447.05 Is he integrated? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1445.62 1446.05 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1448.79 1449.18 I don't know. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1449.16 1450.28 No, we don't have push button. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1448.8 1449.16 Push button. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1448.9 1455.34 Yeah, we gotta integrate scroll wheel and push button, because when you push it and you w it won't just pu uh makes possible to s 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1454.2 1458.45 Oh yeah, right, we want it to it's not it's not no. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1458.45 1459.08 Yep. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1459.08 1461.26 Fifteen, oh, too bad. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1456.81 1457.83 L. C. D. display. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1458.22 1458.64 Okay. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1456.99 1458.22 Not going to work? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1461.9 1463.06 Okay um 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1464.66 1465.66 A special form, right? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1462.68 1464.66 Oh but with special colour we have. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1465.47 1467.16 But now button supplements. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1467.16 1468.48 We don't got the button supplements. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1468.35 1471.7 Oh, we don't have any buttons, so Yeah, we need to uh 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1471.88 1474.71 We have to lower it with six points. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1469.74 1471.88 Eighteen and a half, damn. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1472.01 1472.35 Damn. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1475.44 1478.6 No, uh we have fifteen and oh, right. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1475.48 1476.01 Okay. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1476.99 1477.57 Twelve and half. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1479.98 1481.95 We could lose the curve. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1481.83 1482.36 Nah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1482.27 1483.38 We could use 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1483.54 1484.66 Yeah, I would lose the curve. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1483.69 1485.07 We could lose the scroll wheel. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1485.07 1487.02 You could make it just a regular scroll wheel. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1487.32 1489.51 But you can't push it, so you have to tap. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1488.8 1488.98 Yeah 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1488.98 1497.68 if you can't push it you have to tap the the options window uh button here and then uh scroll down with the d with uh with uh the button. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1497.37 1498.93 Yeah, alright. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1498.93 1500.07 So normal scroll wheel? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1498.25 1499.24 Yeah, I think that will be 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1500.19 1501.52 our best bet. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1500.72 1501.64 Normal scroll wheel. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1501.7 1503.79 And I think we should lose the curve. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1505.55 1507.96 It's four pri it four units. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1502.98 1505.55 I think we should scrap the sample speaker. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1503.55 1504.18 Lose 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1507.95 1512.16 Yeah, but if you would i it is a new feature, it it's something special. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1515.57 1516.56 'S possible to lose curve. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1511.1 1515.57 Okay, so we don't exactly need the single We don't need a curve. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1513.21 1514.48 But w d wha 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1514.8 1517.08 No, the curve doesn't really 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1516.06 1517.47 Curved then it will be square. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1518.09 1521.67 No, then it will won't uh stand up from the table. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1521.67 1522.55 Then it would just 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1527.98 1531.87 If you make it a flat one, s n it's no curve, you got no curves. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1525.29 1527.98 The curve is uh in a dimension. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1531.87 1532.8 Yeah, okay. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1521.67 1523.11 Okay. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1523.11 1525.29 Yeah, that's meant with scr uh with s curve. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1521.74 1523.72 Was that does that mean to it, single curve? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1523.78 1524.05 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1527.44 1528.27 Okay. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1528.55 1529.16 So 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1530.4 1531.38 We would lose this one? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1531.41 1534.15 Yeah, but tha that that only is one. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1534.44 1536.04 Yeah, we could s yeah, a bit. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1534.6 1535.03 No, two. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1536.44 1536.84 No, one. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1538.4 1539.56 Sixteen point three. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1538.81 1539.62 Oh, okay, indeed. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1539.74 1542.13 So we don't Yeah, we also have to 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1540.99 1542.09 So we still 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1542.2 1545.53 Is it possible to make 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1544.38 1547.16 Could could we do it on a regular chip on print or something? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1546.98 1548.76 No, otherwise we don't have an L. C. D. screen. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1549.71 1551.51 Ma y you just can't do that, or uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1548.94 1549.71 No? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1549.84 1550.14 No. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1551.79 1554.7 You changed the uh scroll wheel and 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1550.79 1551.79 And what did you change? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1552.62 1553.97 We changed th 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1554.3 1556.52 Yeah, and the single curved to uncurved. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1555.03 1556.56 Single curved. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1556.56 1556.71 Flat. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1556.54 1557.59 Oh, but it's just one 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1558 1560.46 Yeah, so that does doesn't doesn't that mu I think 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1559.32 1562.02 point, so maybe you should should uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1559.44 1559.66 No. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1563.27 1564.19 That that's uh 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1561.69 1563.27 Scrap sample speaker? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1563.03 1566.14 Yeah, you should you should drop the speech recognition. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1563.57 1565.99 The sample speaker is two d wait, f s four points. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1564.84 1565.33 Yeah, but it's t 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1566.44 1567.27 Yes, four points. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1567.17 1572.12 Yeah, but it is uh it it is a new feature, it is something special. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1567.53 1568.66 And then you can keep the curve. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1570.72 1571.21 Or can't you? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1571.08 1573.46 Yeah, uh becau uh when you lose the 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1574.25 1576.45 F You have to we have to scrap four points. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1571.65 1574.25 Yeah, but what what else what else uh do you want to scrap? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1576.45 1579.1 Yeah, that's difficult. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1574.83 1576.45 I don't know. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1578.03 1578.5 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1578.54 1581.55 Or make it on a hand dynamo, but I don't think that will work. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1580.29 1581.27 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1581.1 1582.97 Ma make it with wood instead of rubber? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1583.82 1585.27 No, that's no. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1585.27 1588.03 Make it w uh when you made it uh uh uh a remote control of wood? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1585.54 1585.84 Uh. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1589.17 1592.44 We could make it titanium instead of rubber. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1589.33 1591.81 You don't make a remote control of Ah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1589.72 1594.17 Yeah, it it i Yeah, it also uh it also takes one point less. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1590.44 1591.13 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1594.34 1599.21 Yeah, but uh a wooden remote control only helps for uh old people we discussed, yes? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1596.92 1597.38 Oh. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1597.38 1598.81 Oh can I ask something? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1598.81 1599.89 What is special colour? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1599.05 1599.44 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1601.13 1606.6 Is that the wood uh wood uh this, we have to have that one too? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1603.28 1604.04 I think it is. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1604.42 1604.87 It isn't. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1606.02 1606.38 What? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1606.06 1606.32 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1607.76 1611.67 But I think the only option is to drop the uh sample speaker. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1606.34 1607.76 Yeah, but it's only a half. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1610.28 1610.84 Sample speaker. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1609.26 1610.28 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1612.45 1613.34 And sample sensor. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1610.82 1612.45 To knock the sample speaker, yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1613.64 1614.95 Th then we still have too much 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1615.35 1616.92 Yeah, okay, three. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1616.92 1617.75 Point three. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1616.2 1617.3 if we use the uh 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1616.43 1622.3 But m yeah, course, but What we'll have. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1622.3 1624.11 Let's make it thirteen or fourteen. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1619.71 1621.16 Yeah, we we scrap that one? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1621.74 1621.99 Huh? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1624.5 1625.46 Point twelve. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1627.29 1628.54 We need point three. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1624.78 1627.29 See, a po three. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1629.56 1630.89 That's a scroll wheel. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1631.93 1632.77 Don't make it wood. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1630.55 1631.93 Uh it's a colour. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1632.02 1632.64 A colour. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1633.71 1636.53 Yeah, but a wood we can make it brown, dark brown, not wood. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1634.54 1635.31 Make it uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1636.92 1638.92 Yeah, but it's it's special colour, is it 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1640.3 1641.97 Yeah, special colours, fruity colours. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1640.37 1642.07 a all kind of colours? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1642.07 1643.62 It's also green or uh 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1642.98 1645.69 Is it also no that that's just normal colour fruit colours. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1645.69 1646.93 Normal colours, yellow 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1644.01 1644.23 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1645.72 1648.55 Yeah, but it's a special colour than just rubber colour. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1648.55 1651.14 You have to add something to the rubber to make it green. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1651.14 1652.51 You don't say here's green rubber. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1650.47 1650.86 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1656.99 1657.22 Alright. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1654.51 1656.99 They don't sell green rubber plants. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1654.73 1658.19 Yeah, but then I d I don't think we can ever make to a twelve and half. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1658.79 1660.96 Yeah, you can, you should you have to lose 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1660.51 1664.13 But then we have to scrap L. C. D. display, we have to scrap uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1664.39 1666.18 No, it is the scroll wheel, I guess. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1664.75 1665.64 No no no. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1664.8 1665.73 s advanced chip. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1670.16 1670.95 Five? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1666.99 1670.16 No then we have to scrap everything we got because how many colours we gonna make? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1670.95 1671.51 Then we have two. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1670.61 1677.32 If we lose the scroll wheel and make it totally uh depending uh dependent on uh the touch screen 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1676.33 1676.87 S touch. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1676.55 1677.43 A push, yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1679.84 1682.69 And then you can and then you can add to the colours. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1678.13 1679.84 then it's possible to make. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1679.58 1682.67 Then we can make add two colours on it. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1682.67 1683.83 Yeah, two colours it. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1684.26 1690.45 Special c Okay, if you lose uh if you lose the 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1685.18 1685.8 Switch colours. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1689.83 1691.8 It was such a great idea. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1692.68 1699.69 You lose this one, you got eleven point five and you make i and then you can make uh the spec single curve, for example. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1692.87 1694.01 They can add two colours. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1699.13 1700.42 But the colours. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1700.42 1703.29 Um how ma uh the colours like l she told, 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1704.58 1706.98 is that all the colours we add or 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1708.07 1709.9 How d uh uh how many colours? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1709.9 1713.03 Special colours, all the colours you want, because you want to make p 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1708.97 1709.52 What do you mean? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1711.97 1717.15 Yeah, but we we we are we have yellow, red, uh black, titanium. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1716.73 1720.06 Yeah, but uh when you use more than one colour, it's a special colour. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1720.17 1720.74 Ah okay. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1720.19 1720.87 Oh. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1720.87 1726.06 But I think when you use the colour that's not originally the rubber then you use special colour, 'cause you have to add it. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1721.26 1721.78 I suppose. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1725.48 1725.78 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1725.71 1727.24 Yeah, but the rubbers alls original black. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1729.58 1732.86 You co you could make it always black, like normal remote. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1727.74 1729.58 Yeah, so you always lose the special colour. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1729.94 1730.16 Yeah b 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1731.51 1737.12 Yeah, but we're gonna make it yellow uh red, and then you add you have two special colours on top of the one we have now. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1736.64 1739.38 Nee we we also want to make ano another colour. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1738.05 1739.64 Oh right, yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1740.86 1743.49 We have to make this like four or five or something. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1739.64 1740.86 Yeah, we should u Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1743.49 1744.09 That's what it means. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1739.66 1740.18 Yeah, but m 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1742.4 1744.89 Yeah, because we have more colours than only black. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1745.19 1748.06 Yeah, but isn't it per remote that you pay? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1745.22 1745.54 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1746.21 1749.94 I then I think I p I don I don't think they me mean they're special 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1749.06 1750.24 Oh right, yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1750.24 1751.71 Is it per remote? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1751.71 1752.07 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1749.25 1749.58 Half? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1751.54 1753.93 I think you pay half per remote. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1753.93 1755.84 So each remote with a special colour. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1753.42 1756.35 Yeah, that's right, and you one colour per remote. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1756.35 1757.17 So then it is one. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1757.16 1762.76 You don't need four of those uh four of those special colours in one in one remote. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1755.71 1757.16 Yeah, indeed, yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1760.01 1760.92 Yeah, okay okay, true. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1761.92 1762.34 True, true. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1763.16 1763.46 No. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1764.83 1765.2 I hope. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1767.26 1767.86 Nee one point. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1764.85 1767.26 We have two points spare. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1767.15 1770.81 So the battery, we have um advanced chip on print. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1768.13 1768.5 One. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1772.14 1774.51 So it would be curved, single curve. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1774.28 1778.23 Because of thing Yeah, well you can at least make it curved again. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1775.52 1775.83 Or not? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1776.55 1776.75 Hmm. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1778.38 1780.88 So y you just can't make a nice remote. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1778.46 1779.21 Yeah, single curve. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1782.62 1784 Because that was very important, huh? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1783.05 1784.69 It's too bad for the speaker. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1784.81 1789.83 So it's curved, it's still that so we we dropped the speech recognition together with the speaker. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1788.67 1792.64 Should we change that tha that that's a one if not, or not? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1793.58 1794.64 And make it uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1792.64 1793.58 Could you copy it? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1788.78 1789.14 Mm yep. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1791.58 1792.75 We dropped the scroll wheel. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1793.8 1794.96 And the rest is the same, huh? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1796.26 1800.07 Y yea the scroll wheel is dropped. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1796.87 1797.45 Yes. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1796.39 1796.87 Am I right? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1799.13 1800.52 The entire uh 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1801.08 1802.2 Uh. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1802.2 1802.54 Huh. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1801.62 1801.9 Yep. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1803.66 1805.59 Perhaps you can then copy page or so. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1807.03 1807.2 Ooh. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1817.44 1818.69 No. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1818.69 1821.35 Oh you you made the entire could you 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1818.58 1819.35 Okay. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1821 1822.9 Undo, undo. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1822.9 1823.36 Undo. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1824.54 1825.76 Oh not Well. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1826.94 1827.95 So, 'kay. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1827.95 1828.33 Twenty minutes? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1828.21 1828.67 Would you? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1834.94 1836.2 Add it copy page. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1829.71 1834.94 By the Perhaps you can save this one, and then copy or something. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1839.05 1839.85 Select all. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1840.19 1840.87 No, but you c yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1842.41 1844 Alright, something went wrong. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1850.81 1850.98 Tap. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1853.45 1856.51 Okay, but this this new remote we can afford. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1856.7 1857.14 Let's forget. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1855.29 1856.7 It doesn't work. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1857.21 1858 It should've work. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1864.4 1866.92 Ah okay. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1862.66 1864.4 When did you receive this list? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1858.45 1861.92 Okay, so you had this list at start? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1861.92 1862.66 Alright. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1861.92 1862.38 Hmm? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1863.59 1864.41 I just received it. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1862.38 1863.59 No, I hadn't. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1866.59 1867.24 Oh ignore that. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1865.27 1866.59 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1866.92 1868.77 They don't work so hard at the finance department. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1869.51 1872.13 I suppose this is a 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1868.61 1869.51 Ah okay. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1868.65 1871.43 Well, so 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1873.15 1876.02 Okay, so we lose the scroll wheel, the s 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1873.6 1873.98 Too bad. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1875.45 1876.25 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1876.25 1877.15 The microphone. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1878.44 1879.13 Yeah, and that's it. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1879.56 1880.33 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1883.36 1883.81 We 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1880.33 1883.36 A and we changed something, I guess, or not? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1879.66 1880.49 And the microphone. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1885.81 1886.17 Oh no. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1887.45 1887.69 Yep. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1888.55 1889 Okay. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1889.38 1890.55 Twelve Euro fifty. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1890.55 1894.61 Um and did you try to make a new design, or what were you trying to do? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1893.63 1895.56 Yeah, I tried to copy that one, but it didn't work. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1895.61 1896.45 It didn't work. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1896.73 1900.55 So we could fix it like tha that it's like this. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1900.46 1901.11 Strange. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1899.52 1900.46 Hmm. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1901.39 1903.63 You could select it all, but then you can't erase. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1902.84 1903.07 Strange. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1905.08 1906.31 Oh, you can arrange 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1907.22 1907.51 Oh. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1905.56 1907.22 You can only re erase? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1907.84 1912.3 When you saw th li uh Earlier when we selected it, w I couldn't erase anything. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1906.6 1907.84 Erase. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1910.86 1912.53 Uh, no. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1914.27 1916.18 Hmm, can't you then just say copy? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1917.81 1918.3 Bling. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1918.48 1919.57 New page. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1921.66 1922.51 Paste. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1922.51 1923.17 Yes. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1922.66 1922.86 Ah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1926.05 1929.64 Select none. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1929.82 1931.65 just tap somewhere. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1930.14 1931.58 Just tap somewhere. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1930.16 1934.88 just up somewhere b uh besides it, right. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1934.74 1937.62 Okay, and now you can erase. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1934.76 1934.99 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1937.79 1939.76 I don't think I can, but uh we can try. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1939.57 1941.22 Uh, we already try. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1940.43 1941.64 Well it should be possible. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1941.85 1943.64 Oh, yeah, no, ha-ha. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1943.15 1943.62 Oh no. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1944.64 1948.5 Well you can draw over it with white uh pen. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1948.5 1948.85 Oh. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1944.75 1945.11 No? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1946.22 1948.51 Yeah, we tried it earlier. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1948.51 1949.51 It's very much work. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1949.94 1950.65 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1954.24 1956.49 Well but that's also useful for the evaluation 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1951.98 1954.24 Sorry. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1956.49 1965.02 because I think uh we have a prototype now which we can afford and uh we only need to draw a little bit to get a good uh 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1958.25 1959.3 Evaluation drops. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1968.38 1969.12 Doodle. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1969.12 1973.81 And I think we should then move on to the production evaluation because of the time. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1967.51 1968.38 design. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 1974.33 1975.39 And erase the mic. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1975.82 1977.07 Yeah, goodbye mic. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1976.8 1979.16 All I need is no mic. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1980.85 1985.41 Let's see, we can save this now. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1981.54 1983.23 Oh, I already erased half of the line. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 1984.7 1987.4 Bon chance 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 1987.45 1989.59 And move back to here. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 1992.54 1993.3 Too bad, oh. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2004.11 2004.58 Like this? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2005.41 2005.66 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2006.12 2006.9 Still looks nice. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2007.99 2009.6 Okay, well thank you. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2006.8 2007.99 And then all green. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2009.87 2010.92 Oh, that's erase. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2010.03 2011.01 Looks like a iPod. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2012.04 2013.01 Oh, no. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2013.39 2015.12 No, add 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2014.39 2015.49 Hey, but you can erase that. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2017.44 2018.72 Oh, now I'm line. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2015.57 2017.44 Yeah, that's a bit weird. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2016.19 2016.55 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2017.36 2017.68 Uh-oh. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2017.85 2020.95 S Difference between lines and text and the pen. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2020.92 2021.29 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2023.86 2027.08 All I need is mic. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2023.12 2023.86 Oh. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2023.17 2023.4 Right. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2036.26 2041.17 Um and then we are going to the project or product evaluation. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2048.77 2049.14 Um 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2030 2031.03 Hmm, strange. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2028.73 2030 And you can't erase this? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2031.03 2036.26 Okay, well uh just leave it at this and quickly save. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2043.5 2048.77 Um well, I think I can sit for that since it's almost my final slide. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2041.17 2043.5 We just did our project evaluation. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2030 2031.81 No, it's weird. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2034.8 2035.89 Station page. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2036.39 2038.26 Huh, looks fucking boring now. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2050.65 2053.8 what did you think about uh the process? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2053.8 2055.6 How satisfied are we? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2056.96 2058.37 Deadlines were sometimes very short. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2058.54 2059.15 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2060.01 2062.23 You think, no, my presentation isn't ready. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2059.15 2060.01 Bu but stressful. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2059.05 2059.33 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2059.58 2061.05 But And stressful. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2060.67 2060.88 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2062.19 2067.5 I think we it should be b it would be better if we worked a little bit together. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2067.5 2073.82 Now we worked through each other, something he said yeah, and you had information I also had,
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2073.82 2078.02 so some some things I had in my presentation, they already told, so 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2066.9 2067.17 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2067.6 2067.94 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2069.29 2070.48 And you could ask things. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2069.71 2072.22 Yeah, you had information I didn't have and then uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2073.79 2074.88 Oh right. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2074.08 2074.31 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2075.73 2075.96 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2077.69 2077.96 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2077.89 2081.19 And for me it sometimes was a surprise who was going to present what, huh? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2081.19 2081.89 And uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2080.77 2081.51 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2081.39 2086.37 So yeah, that I don't think that is the best way to work at for such project. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2084.44 2084.6 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2084.9 2085.19 No. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2085.73 2089.67 So you would say uh communicate during our individual uh work. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2088.81 2093.07 Yeah, no, or maybe session of five minutes together or something, and then work separate. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2095.55 2099.52 Why should we be separated from each other in those difference uh different rooms? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2092.54 2095.55 Yeah, but but why not work here together, for example? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2093.11 2093.29 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2094.73 2095.86 Yeah, you could 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2097.91 2098.17 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2097.92 2098.26 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2099.08 2099.41 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2099.77 2100.03 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2101.05 2107.98 Well, probably to simulate the whole working uh process, huh, th you can't have a meeting uh for several weeks. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2101.08 2101.73 I think so too. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2103.46 2104.03 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2103.56 2105.66 Yeah, but then you can work together too when 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2115.52 2118.21 I don't think that was the best way, but 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2106.56 2108.02 Yeah m yeah, like she told. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2108.02 2115.52 Then you can work together too by mail or by, I dunno, chat, something, but now we're completely separated from each other. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2111.96 2112.58 Huh, oh right. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2112.35 2112.6 No. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2112.44 2113.67 A chat would also be uh 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2118.67 2121.48 But the technology was uh fantastic. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2120.41 2121.54 Yeah, the technology's okay. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2120.71 2125.09 Well, I I don't really like the board, it doesn't really work great. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2125.09 2125.86 Sometimes I think. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2123.76 2124.44 Work now? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2124.11 2128.11 Yeah okay, but I don I do I think becau that's because 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2127.23 2127.9 Perhaps it is e 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2127.78 2130.46 It does work, but sometimes it doesn't erase or it doesn't uh 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2129.44 2136.69 Yeah, perhaps it is easier to get one of those uh dig digital pens or so and to uh and lay it next to that keyboard over there. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2136.69 2139.09 So you can draw uh see it over th on the screen. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2139.09 2139.37 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2133.69 2133.98 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2135.83 2136.07 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2141.51 2142.46 Yep yep yep yep yep. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2136.89 2141.51 Yeah, like the f like a plotters or something, yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2138.79 2139.04 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2143.23 2146.55 So you don't think the SMARTboard is is really useful or 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2143.58 2144.23 But 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2146.11 2147.78 It's useful, but not m 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2146.5 2149.98 Well it is useful, but it doesn't really work all the time. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2149.98 2151.02 Th the pen doesn't 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2146.63 2147.75 Yeah, it is useful, but 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2148.73 2149.08 No. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2149.83 2156.96 Because when you put this pen on the screen uh uh for exam and line is d being drawn at at two or three centimetres uh below. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2152.6 2153.67 The line is a bit off. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2157.39 2160.32 Yeah, so it's maybe a bit unnatural also. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2159.6 2159.98 Yep. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2159.79 2160.09 Alright. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2160.28 2162.58 Yeah, you can point to where you want the line to be. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2164.83 2165.08 But 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2166.85 2175.46 The project uh because of the deadlines you didn't had the time to uh have, you didn't have time to uh to make a very uh 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2177 2179.77 qualitati qualitative uh presentation. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2180.03 2180.3 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2181.64 2183.19 So you used uh this 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2184.69 2190.23 uh the different PowerPoint presentations uh in which you put your uh material in the 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2191.42 2191.57 Oh. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2193.29 2194.26 That wasn't me. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2194.26 2200.59 Uh so um the means, we discussed the smart board, and what about uh this digital pen? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2193.95 2195.33 Wasn't me. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2194.02 2195.87 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2201.01 2201.49 I 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2201.27 2203.38 I didn't use it at all. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2202.42 2207.04 I I used it, it it was you can use it, it's quite handy I think. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2206.38 2212.44 Yeah, well I use it as a a normal pen and and and only you use it to uh get it on the computer, huh? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2206.59 2207.78 But I didn't I uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2210.57 2214.21 Yeah, I used it to y to Yeah, it did work pretty well. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2213.66 2215.48 I used it too, but oh well. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2216.75 2217.52 I didn't use. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2216.79 2217.06 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2217.09 2220.87 I don't think why you would want to use it actually, but it it does work. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2219.05 2219.82 Yeah, because it shou 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2219.07 2219.63 No yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2221.4 2223.17 To make some designs, it is very easy. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2221.41 2221.61 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2221.76 2226.01 It is it is yeah, it is easy for to design something and then load it in your computer. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2224.48 2224.87 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2225.88 2227.58 Yeah, and then you can show it to everybody. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2227.29 2227.48 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2227.46 2228.57 But to write it th yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2228.78 2229.21 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2229.21 2231.09 It's b bi little bit too big to write. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2231.19 2232.05 It's a bit 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2229.26 2231.19 It doesn't really write normally. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2232 2233.21 Yeah, it's too big, it's too fat. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2234.12 2235.04 Fat document, those. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2233.02 2234.12 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2233.12 2234.09 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2234.1 2234.29 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2237.07 2238.52 Okay, um 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2239.67 2240.76 and what about the teamwork? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2241.28 2242.02 Team work was okay. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2241.71 2243.25 I think it was great, yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2242.71 2243.01 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2242.94 2244.44 Yeah, well I think so too. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2244.44 2244.72 we 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2244.14 2247.14 Only thing that we worked through, past each other. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2247.14 2248.82 With some things that was only problem, but 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2246.89 2247.08 Right. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2247.12 2250.08 Yeah, but that was it was our assignment, huh? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2248.37 2250.42 Yeah, but it was because we didn't uh Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2250.27 2252.55 Yeah yeah yeah, but furthermore better. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2251.29 2255.61 Okay, and maybe I should walk out of the room when you discuss uh this point, the leadership. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2255.73 2259.19 That's yeah, no prob. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2259.19 2259.44 Ah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2256.54 2259.69 I thought it was good, but uh Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2259.69 2259.96 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2258.15 2258.46 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2259.31 2260.44 Yeah well, okay. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2260.19 2262.17 Not too much, not too too too too. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2261.83 2262.08 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2263.13 2263.35 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2263.9 2264.16 Okay. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2266.29 2269.92 Well, when we look at this I'd say we have been creative, huh? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2264.96 2266.29 And creativity? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2269.92 2270.3 But 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2269.98 2270.5 Well. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2270.48 2273.54 Yeah, or the room for it was the idea to be creative, so 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2271.6 2272.66 There was room for 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2273.92 2274.23 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2275.52 2280.01 You got some standard ideas in your head and this what came out. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2278.56 2278.82 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2279.63 2282.8 And you get get stuff from the from the computer, but 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2281.54 2281.78 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2285.98 2291.22 The information uh was sometimes uh a little bit too late or 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2291.23 2294.42 Too late it it it took a lot of time before you got your ema yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2289.23 2291.23 Little bit uh lo yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2290.84 2291.19 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2292.31 2294.38 You just sit there for ten minutes. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2294.38 2295.81 Yeah, where is that email? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2293.92 2294.38 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2295.32 2297.71 I played I think seven times Solitaire something. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2301.98 2306.23 I didn't find the didn't look but uh I didn't look, but 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2301.01 2301.98 Is it on there? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2298 2299.46 Oh did you? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2299.46 2301.01 Is it on there? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2298.15 2298.5 You did? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2298.5 2300.19 Well, I didn't have time for that. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2300.71 2300.86 Wha 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2302.55 2307.73 At some times I Sometimes I received like like five emails at at one moment, and then 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2302.66 2303.31 Oh right, it is there. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2302.95 2305.15 Was searching and searching. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2308.78 2309.78 I always 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2307.15 2308.78 No, I I never got that. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2308.78 2311.13 I got like one email after ten minutes or something. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2310.94 2311.41 N yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2311.17 2314.35 I even got spam. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2314.35 2316.69 Or something like that. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2315.23 2316.71 That's what we said. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2315.69 2319.92 So does this I think lik oh and information was a bit low I think,
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2319.92 2322.82 sometimes, in in in in the beginning I didn't understand what what to do. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2319.83 2321.12 And it not a lot uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2324.37 2325.38 I didn't know uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2323.15 2324.37 No, the first one. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2323.53 2325.28 No, w I didn't know 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2324.23 2330.05 Yeah, like I with with the remote and I never new we have t we had to uh yeah made a made a rec a remote control. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2327.71 2328.61 Make a r yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2328.71 2329.44 nee. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2330.3 2335.71 And I didn't know what to do for the first ten minutes before we got here, so I went, right. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2336.58 2340.34 Just looking at the screen and uh 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2335.71 2336.58 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2332.51 2333.88 Yeah, so 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2333.17 2333.44 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2334.21 2337.09 No stepping on the table and then looking at the internet page. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2350.6 2353.96 When we get uh when we have we would have gotten uh more information. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2336.44 2350.6 And I was working and working and work Okay, well um but after all we can say uh we are satisfied, but it it could've been uh better. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2338.05 2341.11 No. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2342.89 2343.44 So, yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2350.08 2350.29 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2354.01 2354.56 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2354.56 2355.23 Faster. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2354.09 2355.08 Yeah, an 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2354.36 2355.92 Yeah, more information about the costs. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2356.25 2356.53 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2356.56 2357.66 Yeah, that will be handy. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2358.41 2368.01 First of all I didn't think uh that we were able to make an L. C. D. screen uh first point, but uh it was possible uh uh, yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2364.4 2364.98 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2365.67 2367.46 Yeah, it only costs four units. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2367.46 2368.84 Uh yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2368.62 2374.71 Yea uh so tha actually you could make an L. C. D. screen but no mic, or it could make mic but no L. C. D. screen, when you look at that. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2374.71 2375.37 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2368.96 2369.28 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2373.31 2376.31 Yeah, that was a bit mean to put it in the end. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2376.31 2381.48 And uh what were the other points to to improve this whole process? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2373.52 2373.77 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2380.55 2382.16 Uh, I dunno. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2381.32 2382.51 Um 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2384.01 2385.29 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2385.29 2385.79 Nothing. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2384.17 2385.04 Think that's about it. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2386.67 2387.76 Hmm. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2391.76 2392.04 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2387.76 2391.76 Heavier um less heavy laptops. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2386.86 2388.06 I think we got it already. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2390.07 2390.96 Yeah, they're pretty heavy. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2390.09 2392.8 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2390.54 2391.37 Faster laptop. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2390.1 2390.54 Uh. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2393.06 2393.92 Uh. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2393.92 2395.41 They were they were just fine. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2393.92 2395.2 But that's not really uh 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2396.92 2398.38 Everything you loaded was also 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2394.75 2396.92 And furthermore the the the network was okay. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2396.91 2397.17 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2397.04 2397.33 Uh. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2398.67 2399.73 Yeah, everything worked. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2399.13 2400.4 av available there. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2400.71 2400.89 Right. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2405.65 2405.91 Okay. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2401.3 2405.65 And so more time uh w might have improved the the quality of work, is what you say. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2401.37 2401.77 So 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2404.81 2405.08 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2406.17 2406.72 Yeah, but that 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2405.31 2406.17 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2407.71 2410.82 It's now half past four half past three, so 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2412.13 2415.89 Yeah, but it's just the the off hours between that you will work alone. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2415.98 2416.31 Yeah, okay. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2414.91 2415.98 Yeah, okay. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2419.17 2420.83 Five minutes in the meeting. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2416.98 2419.17 Then it pops up pop up screen came. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2420.83 2421.32 No. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2419.29 2419.51 Mm. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2418.84 2419.29 Mm-hm. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2420.32 2420.61 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2420.36 2420.66 Mm. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2485.13 2485.98 Okay. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2470.6 2474.37 At least I am, with the results, so uh celebration, well,
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2474.37 2477.94 for the three of you, because uh I have to write the final report now. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2461 2467.61 Maybe we should re-evaluate uh the product, but we did that before, and we also evaluated the project. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2439.94 2445.42 so I'll move on to I guess my last slide, yes, which is the closing. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2459.91 2461 And we evaluated. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2467.61 2470.6 And I think uh everybody's uh very happy. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2453.96 2459.91 this is it, but we had to do it, huh, because we have to have a design, and that is within the budget. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2448.31 2453.96 I don't know if that's the best way to when it isn't is it when it is too expensive to quickly re-arrange it and say, okay,
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2445.42 2448.31 Well uh, we managed, but we did it very quickly. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2431.15 2434.64 Okay, so more time during the individual work phases. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2434.64 2439.94 Um okay well uh I just got my warning for the last five minutes,
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2477.94 2485.13 But uh well, thank you very much for your co-operation, and I had a very nice day so far. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2434.51 2434.67 Huh. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2439.88 2440.94 You did? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2440.94 2441.49 Well 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2453.42 2454.94 Oh, right. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2454.94 2455.69 Well 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2472.38 2472.71 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2472.71 2473.48 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2474.96 2475.96 Champagne. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2477.32 2480.64 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2481.71 2482.16 Yeah, sure. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2482.55 2482.8 No prob. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2484.19 2484.71 Oh thank you. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2484.32 2485.23 Mm-hmm. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2487.11 2488.63 Do we get another email? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2490.25 2490.87 You're fired. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2488.88 2490.25 Bling. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2490.02 2491.36 Um 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2490.23 2491.3 I think you do. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2491.44 2494.16 I I think we have to fill in a questionnaire again, but 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2493.71 2499.46 Yeah I have t I think we also have to go to our own rooms again, but um well I at least. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2499.46 2505.51 But maybe you can try uh to make a screen shot of this, so I can try to include it in the final report. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2496.81 2497.14 We do? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2497.07 2497.17 Mm. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2503.52 2503.88 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2505.02 2506.26 Uh th that that one? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2506.21 2507.41 You cannot you can save it. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2510.23 2512.3 I know, we should remove this, but it won't h 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2506.83 2508.17 Yeah, maybe. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2508.17 2510.23 wants to, but at least this one. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2507.19 2510.4 You can just Yeah, but it's it isn't a picture or, well, is it? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2510.56 2513.88 You s uh file save as the J. PEG J. PEG. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2513.23 2513.65 Okay. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2513.65 2516.12 And uh please put it in the project folder then, huh. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2517.31 2518.38 Can you find it as a J. PEG? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2518.54 2519.51 No. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2518.65 2520.78 No, isn't possible. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2520.78 2523.89 But you can make a screen shot, I think. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2524.46 2525.97 Okay, well I uh 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2526.44 2526.8 No. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2529.23 2529.48 No. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2530.28 2535.87 I hereby officially close the meeting and uh I hope to see you uh soon. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2531.87 2532.13 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2532.04 2532.39 Okay. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2534.5 2537.11 In uh 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2535.38 2537.28 In about five minutes. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2536.32 2538.02 Uh oh, export. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2541.39 2543.56 Well, happy celebration, huh? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2537.06 2541.39 Well, I think we'll be a bit a bit longer, but okay. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2539.32 2539.65 Ah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2546.92 2549.08 Let's have some fun. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2544.53 2546.92 Let's let's have party. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2543.94 2544.53 Whoo-hoo. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2542.8 2543.94 Oh thank you. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2549.08 2549.27 Huh? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2543.83 2544.53 Images. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2544.45 2549.69 Celebra Or shouldn't I? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2546.1 2547.48 How big do you want the images? 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2549.36 2549.71 Uh 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2548.81 2549.36 How big? 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2549.32 2549.73 Yeah. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2551.21 2553.19 not too big. 
TS3005d H00 MTD017PM 2553.19 2554.3 Whatever you think is good. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2552.15 2552.57 This one? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2553.19 2553.91 Six hundred. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2553.91 2554.71 No, I yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2554.59 2557.31 No that uh is one thousand twenty four. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2555.87 2557.81 I think eight hundred six hundred is better. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2558.19 2558.52 This one? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2558.71 2558.96 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2558.73 2558.94 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2562.13 2562.69 If it browse. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2562.77 2563.89 Nah, name. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2567.92 2568.38 Um 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2568.48 2568.84 Desktop. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2570.73 2571.89 Well it isn't on the desktop. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2573 2573.14 Hey. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2574 2574.23 Mm? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2576.41 2577.16 I do not know. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2577.56 2579.41 You can only save it in my documents. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2581.23 2581.4 Oh? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2584.19 2584.58 Oh my God. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2585.26 2585.44 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2587.67 2587.84 Oh. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2589.77 2590.32 Oh, alright. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2592.98 2593.25 Yeah. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2593.28 2593.56 Okay. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2595.04 2596.54 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2599.3 2599.6 Yeah. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2602.26 2602.71 Three. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2606.39 2607.25 Ten. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2606.91 2608.16 Can we stay here? 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2608.61 2608.83 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2611.53 2611.69 Ten. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2612.64 2612.96 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2612.79 2613.06 Uh. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2617.04 2617.44 Okay. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2617.09 2617.87 Yeah, alright. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2620.01 2620.91 Why can't we stay here? 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2621.56 2621.73 Alright. 
TS3005d H01 FTD019UID 2623.62 2623.87 Yeah. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2624.7 2633.46 Celebration time, come on. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2625.34 2625.46 Oh. 
TS3005d H02 MTD018ID 2634.44 2636.07 Oh. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2635.26 2636.06 Peace out nigger. 
TS3005d H03 MTD020ME 2638.26 2639.02 Entree 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 35.7 35.94 Mm uh. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 40.71 44.39 We're the first. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 43.14 43.34 Mm. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 44.82 46.62 We're the first ones. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 47.66 49.23 Marketing Expert, yes. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 51.73 52.1 Mm. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 64.31 65.86 So you found your spots. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 65.92 66.54 Yes. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 73.45 77.83 Move to the meeting room. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 77.83 78.28 Okay. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 74.79 76.2 Bling bling. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 76.2 77.47 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 81.76 83.17 Right. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 83.16 83.75 Okay. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 85.14 89.23 Uh where has my screen gone? 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 89.63 89.99 Hi. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 91.63 96.81 Hello, good day. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 96.81 96.94 Yep. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 93.86 96.1 Oh yeah, we have to talk in English, huh. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 94.67 95 Hmm. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 98.27 101.35 My screen is gone. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 96.95 98.27 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 101.35 102.05 Oh. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 101.48 103.33 It's called black. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 104.39 105.73 Kick-off meeting, wow. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 106.91 109.03 I'm afraid I'm a bit slow for this stuff uh. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 106.94 108.18 It's uh looks uh nice. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 110.99 111.12 Hmm? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 111.26 111.61 Okay. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 111.63 113.33 I'm afraid I'm a bit too slow. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 113.33 116.13 I don't know how much preparation you guys did, but not a lot. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 114.96 115.29 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 115.57 116.06 Yeah. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 116.38 118.51 No, it's it was uh not enough. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 121.23 123.18 Okay let's get started. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 117.99 121.23 You see this beautiful presentation. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 121.04 121.73 Very nice. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 120.06 121.04 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 123.28 123.55 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 128.38 134.9 Uh opening acquaintance, tool training, uh how to use the things here. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 141.6 147.91 Um we're supposed to develop a new remote control, that's both original, trendy and user-friendly. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 125 128.38 Uh I sort of prepared this. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 134.9 141.6 Uh project plan discussion, and yeah then the rest of the meeting. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 134.58 134.99 Mm. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 140.79 141.09 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 151.87 153.88 I don't. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 153.88 158.63 Um we're work we're working uh from top to bottom. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 149.13 151.87 So, hope you have good ideas. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 158.63 165.62 Uh functional design, then we do some in individual work, then we have a meeting to discuss the results, etcetera etcetera. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 151.89 154.61 I did my best. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 155.12 155.44 Not yet. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 166.73 170.49 And at the end of the day we should have a prototype drawn up. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 172.13 176.62 Uh we have available the smart board and the whiteboard. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 176.62 177.33 Um 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 184.55 187.36 Uh well you know how to the documents work. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 178.53 181.11 uh we should take some practice. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 181.11 184.55 I have some instructions now to do that. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 187.36 187.99 So 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 183.09 183.35 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 189.43 191.28 Uh this for toolbar. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 192.56 193.14 Um 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 191.28 192.56 You see it next. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 197.65 202.87 And we can use this pen to perform. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 195.3 197.65 we have a pen. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 202.87 204.34 Yes. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 204.34 204.95 So 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 202.73 203.53 Operations. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 209.52 211.6 It doesn't always work. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 212.68 213.85 Yes. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 213.85 214.78 Okay so you can 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 212.77 213.04 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 216.93 217.31 draw. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 218.3 218.74 Alright. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 217.4 218.3 Draw. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 218.21 224.31 Okay and in the format menu you can select colour and line width, etcetera etcetera. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 224.31 224.49 Okay? 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 223.84 224.11 'Kay. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 225.6 226.12 Uh 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 231.31 232.11 Okay. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 232.11 236.08 Each of you can uh take some practice and you should draw an animal. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 237.44 238.77 Uh you should explain 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 239.81 241.96 Uh with different colours and with different pen widths. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 246.53 247.42 So, Julian. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 241.96 246.53 And you should explain why you draw that particular animal. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 245.79 248.49 Okay. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 249.06 250.56 Don't take up too much space. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 251.01 253.87 Um yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 254.62 256.7 Different pen widths, how do you do that? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 257.02 258.17 Uh with the format menu. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 258.33 258.87 Oh okay. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 261.47 263.26 And use different colours etcetera. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 271.85 272.08 Yeah. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 264.96 271.85 It's a giraffe. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 266.27 267.57 Are you serious? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 266.36 269.8 And what's that supposed to be? 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 270.62 271.92 Should it be one 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 275.63 276.97 Uh-huh. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 274.7 275.63 Oh yeah four legs. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 271.86 274.7 Oh yeah. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 273.05 275.89 Okay. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 275.64 277 Giraffe's yellow. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 277.12 279.3 Uh it needs some uh some yellow uh 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 280.76 281.51 Oh format. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 282.36 284.81 Can you use one blank sheet per drawing? 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 284.81 287.69 Or so y you must save it at the end and then 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 284.86 285.22 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 292.29 293.56 I'll show you. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 294.32 295.11 In file menu. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 293.56 294.32 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 287.67 292.29 Yeah you can press the next button, which is uh yeah. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 291.91 292.89 That's some spots. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 292.52 293.92 I in the file option menu. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 295.68 298 Okay, then m make a new one. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 296.73 296.92 No. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 297.95 299.89 How much time do we have to draw anyway? 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 299.89 302.12 'Cause I can take forever on this. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 298.58 301.58 Yeah. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 303 303.14 Okay. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 303.14 306.11 Do I have to explain uh why I chose this uh this animal? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 306.26 309.39 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 309.39 310.58 What is it? 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 310.79 311.97 It's a it's a giraffe. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 307.52 310.79 I think it's a it's a great animal. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 313.74 317.76 Yeah I see a long neck but 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 311.99 313.74 A giraffe okay. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 313.52 314.5 Yeah, that's a 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 315.27 317 It's more like a dinosaur. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 316.47 319.55 Um 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 320.92 323.1 Okay I'll will give it an uh an eye. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 324.2 325.13 That's nice of you. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 323.38 324.2 Okay. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 323.77 324.18 Uh. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 325.02 325.45 Hey. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 325.45 325.73 Come on. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 325.8 327.76 Some leaf to eat. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 328.17 328.7 Okay. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 328.7 330.7 Yeah pretty good. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 330.7 332.68 Uh could you press the next uh 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 334.21 334.81 Yes. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 332.82 334.21 The next? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 335.89 337.83 Then uh. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 335.32 335.89 Okay. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 337.06 338.15 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 338.15 338.53 Thanks. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 337.38 340.85 Here you go. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 340.85 341.06 Hmm. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 342.26 342.61 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 350.13 354.35 Is this part of our a acquai or introduction to each other? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 353.28 356.53 Yeah sorry, introduction and get acquainted and 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 354.17 354.7 Uh 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 356.65 357.17 Alright. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 358.04 359.33 That's the idea, so 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 365.47 367.3 Uh. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 367.3 368.14 Your line broke. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 368.35 369.87 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 373.5 373.95 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 370.94 372.25 Alright. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 372.25 373.5 It's not that fast. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 372.3 374.01 Yeah it's a bit slow, so 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 375.02 375.88 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 375.54 377.67 I see. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 377.67 378.87 It misses the spot. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 379.33 380.21 pressure. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 380.01 381.16 I'm guessing a turtle. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 382.52 383.74 No. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 383.74 384.57 I'm kidding. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 383.94 386.68 I say good guess. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 388.9 389.39 Uh 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 389.8 390.82 Why a turtle? 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 391.46 392.45 Because of its shell. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 396.65 398.83 Yeah I was a bit slow too. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 392.74 396.65 Because it's slow. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 398.83 399.32 So 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 395.56 399.05 You were slow too so 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 393.86 395.56 It's slow. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 394.3 398.27 'Cause it's so 'cause it's green. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 398.61 399.72 Dude you're a good drawer. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 400.97 408.49 Uh some other line uh width uh 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 408.93 410 Do you have a turtle pet? 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 410.85 412.08 No. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 412.34 412.85 Uh okay. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 416.5 417.38 I dunno. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 419.47 419.88 Yeah? 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 417.38 419.47 Does it have legs? 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 418.59 419.37 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 419.11 420.18 Yeah sure. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 420.18 421.95 Yeah not exactly legs but 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 422.95 424.08 Stumpy stuff. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 423.3 424.88 More like fins or 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 424.57 425.78 It's more like a tank. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 427.85 429.75 Yeah that's fins but I don't know where. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 431.78 432.85 With sharp nails on. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 429.14 431.78 They kind of l look like mole legs. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 432.48 432.87 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 434.69 435.72 Some spots. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 437.36 438.3 Ah some eye. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 439.81 447.17 Yeah it's l looks very friendly. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 441.94 445.42 Yeah that's a fr friendly turtle I guess. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 448.72 452.15 Yeah well I think it's uh fair enough. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 452.08 452.63 Yeah okay. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 452.91 453.96 A little tail maybe. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 459.25 460.12 Right. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 460.12 463.15 I don't know what the position is. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 465.88 466.75 Does it have ears? 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 467.39 468.05 Uh no. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 468.01 468.32 No. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 469.64 472.09 Can you erase ears or Yeah? 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 468.2 468.67 No. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 468.67 469.64 Oh okay. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 468.35 468.59 No. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 469.21 470.16 The little holes maybe. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 471.21 471.78 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 471.78 476.14 There's a a gum, gum to. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 473.92 474.67 Alright. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 474.67 475.22 Eraser. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 477.22 478.94 And why did you choose this animal? 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 477.38 477.85 So 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 480.32 481.54 He said it was slow. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 480.33 480.91 I dunno. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 483.29 487.22 So there's no particular reason I pen. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 480.91 483.29 I it just came into my mind. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 484.29 484.62 Alright. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 491.58 495.56 I like it. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 494.14 494.57 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 498.15 499.04 That's my turtle. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 495.7 498.15 Well I'm guess I'm done. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 497.44 498.89 Okay. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 500.16 501.28 Your turn Niels. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 500.49 501.08 Alright. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 501.61 503.67 How to select the next or here. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 502.95 504.27 The next yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 505.61 506.19 Here you go. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 504.59 505.61 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 504.97 510.31 Colours were under format right? 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 515.17 516.27 Um 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 510.31 513.3 Let's see. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 513.3 515.17 How am I gonna do this? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 506.04 507.35 Makes new paper. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 508.33 508.63 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 512.78 513.41 Orange. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 524.95 525.16 Mm uh. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 536.85 537.32 Kangaroo. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 534.96 536.85 A rabbit I think. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 536.04 536.67 Kangaroo. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 536.46 539.63 Not quite actually. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 540.55 541.07 Fox. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 541.22 543.1 A fox yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 543.1 544.24 Firefox. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 543.4 543.87 Dog. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 546.19 546.45 Aye. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 544.87 546.19 No. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 545.62 545.99 Cat. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 551.01 552.2 Not quite yet through. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 547.82 551.01 It's a cat. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 548.58 549.28 It's a cat. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 549.88 550.09 Mm. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 551.05 553.15 A cat who had an accident or 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 554.72 555.64 Why a cat? 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 557.52 558.98 They're my favourite pets. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 556.23 557.52 Uh yeah I dunno. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 559.92 560.99 You have some uh? 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 560.79 562.32 Uh I have colour already. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 564.66 568.46 Yeah I'm not so good at drawing with this kind of st Oh shit. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 568.46 569.15 Um 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 567.61 570.94 The pen, yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 570.73 571.66 Excuse my language. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 572.75 573.91 Sure. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 576.42 577.89 It's a cat. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 574.37 575.6 I don't know how to draw its face. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 577.89 586.44 It's my favourite uh pet animal, 'cause they're cute, they're independent and cuddly, I dunno. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 575.6 576.42 But you get the idea. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 587.41 590.17 Or do I need to use more colours and 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 586.44 587.41 That's it. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 578.07 578.84 Alright. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 576.54 578.07 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 584.42 584.84 Okay. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 587.79 588.23 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 590.42 592.41 I think it's okay. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 595.08 601.97 Okay um we have a financial aspect to this project. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 592.41 595.08 You get idea right? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 601.97 605.57 Um we can sell them at twenty five Euros. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 605.57 605.92 Uh 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 592.37 593.38 Alright. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 593.38 593.85 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 607.03 613.2 the aim is to reach uh uh to sell as much as fifty million Euros. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 613.2 616.21 Uh that's quite a big amount of money. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 617.39 621.75 And the production cost should be the half of the selling price. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 626.09 627.16 So we have to s 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 626.41 628.59 Okay now it's time for some discussion. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 641.44 645.03 What uh what uh do you want to discuss? 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 640.45 641.44 Okay. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 641.39 642.2 Uh 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 643.49 644.66 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 643.51 646.16 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 646.16 647.3 We should get started. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 647.73 648.07 Yeah. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 648.16 648.53 Yep. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 651.22 654.28 Uh I'm taking notes. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 654.28 655.12 Um 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 652.7 653.33 Okay. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 653.33 653.61 Great. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 656.89 661.64 we each have a specific task, as I saw in my mail. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 664.93 674.52 Okay so the um uh this industrati Industrial Designer should produce a working design. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 663.98 664.93 Yeah? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 661.64 663.98 I didn't know if you received the same mail. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 674.52 675.1 Am I correct? 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 661.58 662 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 661.93 662.27 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 664.01 664.33 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 665.03 665.54 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 664.42 665.03 I guess so. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 676.18 676.73 True. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 677.97 683.41 Uh the User Interface Designer should specify the technical functions. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 676.8 677.97 Okay. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 694.11 699.3 Uh did any of you already do some work on this part or 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 684.94 686.35 Yeah? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 684.42 684.94 Right? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 686.35 694.11 And the Marketing uh Expert should come up with user requirements. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 684.8 685.2 Yep. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 693.25 693.64 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 704.59 712.2 'cause we have three design steps and in every step I have a s specific task to perform or whatever. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 712.2 717.8 So I had to uh, I dunno, make an overview for myself about what I have to do 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 699.23 704.59 Well I started making an overview for myself, um what I had to do 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 717.8 721.46 and kind of let it work in to get ideas about 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 708.89 709.19 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 711.95 712.32 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 716.1 716.59 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 722.26 723.04 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 723.04 726.76 And do you have any ideas about the product uh so far? 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 725.62 730.02 Well I started I started with the first phase, I think was the functional. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 740.2 742.86 And well I basically had two points. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 738.09 740.2 How does the apparatus work? 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 723.18 725.62 well how I have to fill it. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 730.02 738.09 And uh let's see I had to focus on the working design, which you said. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 729.6 729.88 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 737.06 737.47 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 743.05 750.05 Uh according to the coffee uh machine example, I have batteries to supply energy 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 750.05 758.57 and we ye use button presses to activate or deactivate certain functions on the T. V. . 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 758.57 760.88 And that's basically all I have so far. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 746.89 748.16 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 747.58 747.93 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 757.13 758.53 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 758.53 758.95 Okay. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 762.46 770.03 It uses infrared light to communicate the signal to the T. V. apparatus or stereo. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 760.92 762.46 Yeah I got another point. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 765.17 766.58 Wireless uh huh. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 764.72 765.17 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 765.32 765.64 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 766.78 767.04 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 767.14 768.08 Alright. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 770.34 770.65 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 770.75 771.88 So that's very common. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 774.6 776.17 You d you already told that. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 776.17 781.12 And for the changing up to the to all the channels and changing the volume. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 771.71 774.6 Uh it's uh some buttons for for the on off function. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 783.06 785.65 That are the the basic options for a remote control. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 783.09 783.57 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 798.46 799.96 I dunno what the word is in English. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 792.43 798.46 I mean, you wanna ch ch flip the channel but you might wanna use teletext also. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 785.63 792.43 Yeah I kept it global 'cause that it activates or deactivates specific functions, 'cause I wasn't thinking yet about that. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 799.96 801.45 Uh 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 790.38 790.94 Okay, yeah. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 793.67 794.08 Yeah. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 797.26 797.43 Yep. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 797.6 797.92 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 802.83 803.92 Same I believe. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 803.93 804.75 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 807.18 809.99 Uh and what did the Marketing Expert do? 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 810.12 819.69 Uh well from a marketing uh perspective, um well the function des design phase uh consists out of the user requirements. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 833.4 835.76 I mean, what functions do they have. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 823.52 833.4 So there are a few means to reach that um by by doing research uh to see what existing products are there out in the market. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 835.76 838.41 Um especially what are their shortcomings? 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 838.41 843.54 Are there any new functions uh which can be added to our product? 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 819.69 823.52 Um what needs and desires are to be fulfilled? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 819.36 819.77 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 828.97 829.31 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 834.7 835.09 Mm. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 839.3 839.55 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 842.92 843.2 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 859.44 862.23 So we can see uh what needs to be supported. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 848.71 859.44 For example for um well what kind of applications do current remote controls support, and what are f featur features of uh current and future televisions? 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 844.16 848.71 Um therefore we have to to do some internet search. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 848.53 848.98 Yep. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 858.92 859.3 Yes. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 862.46 867 Um and we can interview current users and future users. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 880.22 886.55 and they play with a lot of tools and stuff so maybe they have some good ideas to uh to add. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 871.61 880.22 Um especially for future users, uh I'm thinking of early adopters, because they they use new technology first 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 867 871.61 What w what would they like to see uh on a new remote control? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 867.92 868.39 Okay. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 871.35 871.69 Okay. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 879.95 880.32 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 885.48 886.38 Okay. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 886.38 888.21 And you can get that information? 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 888.43 890.29 I think I can get that information, yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 890.05 891.28 Okay. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 893.34 898.14 Um but have you any idea so far as what uh the user requirements are? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 891.28 893.34 That would be very handy. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 891.35 892.7 So yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 900.16 901.8 More to how to get them and 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 898.37 900.16 No n not specifically. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 900.24 900.55 No? 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 917.3 918.95 It has to be a small unit. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 907.83 917.3 Uh really easy to use buttons, not not uh very small buttons, but not the the also the big big buttons, but just normal buttons. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 918.95 923.94 It has to be uh yeah, you can take it with you uh everywhere in in your house. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 901.43 907.83 I got some uh requirements it has uh it has to be user-friendly. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 923.94 928.8 So it has n has not to be l yeah, gigantic uh machine. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 901.79 902.38 No okay. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 903.46 903.7 Yeah? 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 904.17 904.42 Yeah? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 905.78 907.1 Of course. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 906.07 906.34 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 906.26 906.9 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 906.9 907.43 Obviously. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 928.17 929.32 Big, mm-hmm. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 929.04 929.38 Yeah. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 930.24 933.29 Uh and a and a good uh zapping range. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 932.53 934.83 Uh what do you mean by that? 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 934.86 935.21 Yeah. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 942.83 945.74 It has to be capable for zapping uh 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 935.05 942.83 Uh the distance uh from your television to your uh remote control has to be, uh yeah um yeah, quite a big distance. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 942.8 943.28 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 948.24 948.62 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 945.88 948.24 From the other end of the room or something? 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 946.8 947.21 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 951.41 953.01 Okay um 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 954.53 959 Well I don't think I have anything more to add at the moment. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 962.76 963.52 Um 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 965.08 967.84 I think the best is to go to work. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 967.41 969.31 Whoa. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 969.31 971.25 Is that you or alright. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 969.95 970.38 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 975.13 975.73 Okay. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 976.05 977.85 Any more points to discuss? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 977.11 978.21 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 978.21 978.76 I think 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 983.39 987.54 I will summarise the things we discussed and put it in the project folder. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 979.9 983.39 we can go ahead with what we have. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 996.43 998.99 And it seems you get more information by email. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 989.52 996.43 Uh the use of the Industrial Designer can work on the working design, etcetera etcetera. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1000.49 1001.08 Alright. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1000.51 1004.15 So that was it for me. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1001.02 1001.68 Alright. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1002.22 1002.64 Okay. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1005.42 1005.74 'Kay. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1005.74 1006.38 Thanks. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1007.49 1008.02 Uh 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1007.52 1009.59 Are you going to put the the notes on the 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1012.67 1015.33 I'm writing very fast. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1011.57 1012.67 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1015.33 1017.95 Hope it's readable. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1017.95 1021.56 Okay um anything more you want to add to the discussion? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1009.48 1011.57 Yeah, in the project folder. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1009.89 1010.5 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1010.5 1011.43 The pro okay. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1011.03 1012.02 Okay. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1012.23 1013.06 Alright. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1014.4 1014.97 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1015.32 1015.73 Okay. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1014.75 1015.32 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1016.93 1017.29 Uh. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1017.02 1017.23 Yep. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1018.49 1019.24 I guess so. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1021.97 1027.09 Well no I'm just a bit wondering what we're gonna do the next uh 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1027.74 1031.33 Do we only have to to do uh phase one, the functional design uh? 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1027.33 1027.74 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1028.29 1029.11 session? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1031.51 1033.08 Because then we have a 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1030.99 1031.51 Yeah. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1033.14 1036.06 After that we are going to the conceptual uh 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1036.33 1040.14 Y you do some individual work, we have meeting, individual work, meeting. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1040.14 1042.49 And at the end of the day we have a final meeting. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1035.22 1036.33 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1042.49 1049.81 And then I have to prepare uh I have to defend our design, so make it good. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1049.81 1050.77 I depend on you. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1035.53 1036.19 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1036.19 1037.8 We're just working the three phases. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1048.15 1049.08 Yeah okay. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1049.08 1049.88 We'll do our best. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1049.81 1051.77 Better make it 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1048.18 1049.81 Okay. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1049.41 1049.94 Okay. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1063.89 1068.08 Do we want to be able to use the video recorder with it? 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1050.93 1059.85 I am gonna work on the conceptual design already 'cause yeah it's fairly important to know what kind of components we want to put in. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1059.85 1063.89 Do we I mean, is it gonna be a multimedia control centre? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1054.79 1055.33 Yeah? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1055.33 1056.98 If you can mix it it's okay. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1058.61 1059.55 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1059.55 1059.91 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1067.58 1072.17 That is my question also because like new new functions 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1066.73 1067.58 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1067.35 1067.7 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1070.6 1073.26 Well I think that is the user 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1073.96 1075.41 Requirements. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1075.41 1075.73 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1077.41 1080.22 Uh do they want all those functions on that small 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1076.35 1077.41 As to what they want. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1074.21 1076.35 requirements part. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1076.78 1077.14 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1077.14 1077.42 True. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1079.08 1079.44 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1086.66 1090.08 So if I don't know what components to put in, it's kind of hard. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1080.29 1086.66 But but we need good communication about this stuff, 'cause I have to f put the components into the design. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1080.8 1081.61 Unit. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1081.98 1082.28 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1085.41 1085.81 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1086.06 1086.49 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1086.42 1087.36 I would first m 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1088 1089.38 Yeah well I I was 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1089.29 1090.42 Yeah I understand. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1089.78 1095.54 I I think we have first to start with the basic functions and we can uh expand them. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1089.61 1089.78 Yeah. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1095.54 1095.89 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1099.54 1104.54 which I know, there's one button which is very easy to switch between devices. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1109.79 1115.13 And another function I'll think of switch to your media centre, because that's getting very popular. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1115.13 1120.72 And then use your Windows media centre under your T. V. with the same remote control. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1120.72 1123.23 So with the switch, one single switch 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1104.54 1109.79 So you can switch to your video and then the same buttons control your video. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1092.76 1099.54 Yeah well like l li like some like some some remotes who are out there,
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1094.2 1096.15 You can always add a few 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1104.33 1104.66 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1109.34 1109.73 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1106.72 1109.34 Hmm, the C. D. player. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1109.51 1109.68 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1114.99 1115.99 Yeah so 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1120.26 1120.53 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1120.98 1121.33 Okay. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1131.6 1134.74 And you you don't need that for a T. V. . 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1122.83 1128.54 Yeah I I know what you mean, but you'll ne need several other buttons for a video player. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1134.74 1145.18 And and for a t uh teletext you need additional buttons as well, so I kind of need to know what we uh need. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1128.54 1131.6 You need a play and a forw fast forward and a stop function. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1122.96 1123.33 Okay. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1127.83 1128.2 S 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1128.99 1129.46 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1130.95 1133.09 Yeah records and stuff like that. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1132.09 1132.7 Okay. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1134.42 1134.81 No. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1138.93 1140.33 You need additional yeah. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1139.83 1140.2 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1141.46 1141.76 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1141.7 1142.83 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1142.83 1143.76 Uh 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1145.73 1146.06 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1146.98 1149.46 Whatever, I'll just put my ideas in uh 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1150.43 1150.74 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1150.93 1153.72 in here and then we can discuss it with the next uh 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1151.74 1153 In the project uh 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1153.94 1154.36 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1159.78 1164.76 And um reserve the possibility to add other features. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1154.4 1155.33 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1164.76 1170.08 So we have a basic starting point and you can always extend that so make sure it's extendible. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1170.08 1170.48 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1155.33 1159.78 We could just start with the assumption that's only for T. V. and video. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1156.84 1157.19 meeting. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1163.34 1163.81 Okay. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1164.81 1165.1 Okay. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1172.85 1175.23 So it's hasn't it's yeah. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1169.75 1172.85 Yeah it it has yeah it has to be user-friendly. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1169.81 1170.04 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1169.97 1170.47 Alright. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1174.89 1180.71 Th the least amount of functions possible so it's easier to get to know how it works etcetera. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1176.74 1176.99 Yeah. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1178.08 1178.61 Okay. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1179.39 1179.86 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1181.14 1181.34 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1179.86 1181.14 I understand. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1179.83 1179.97 Yeah. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1180.31 1180.83 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1181.72 1182.58 Yeah? 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1182.58 1186.28 Okay and uh I'll see you again uh when the computer tells us to. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1182.67 1183.07 Alright. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1182.75 1183.09 Yes. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1186.56 1186.93 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1196.72 1197.23 Okay. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1194.26 1196.72 Not yet. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1187.79 1194.26 Yeah, you're di dismissed. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1188.57 1190.07 Can we leave now or 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1188.83 1189.59 Half an hour. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1191.17 1194.14 Thanks. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1191.62 1195 You're fired. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1195 1195.5 No. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1196.14 1196.34 Mm. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1196.22 1196.78 Alright. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1196.86 1198.77 Alright let's move on. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1200.58 1201.93 Let's see what we got to do. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1202.34 1202.91 Yeah. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1206.56 1207.74 See you later. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1208 1209.44 Yeah see you later. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1208.13 1208.48 Okay. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1208.25 1208.5 Yeah. 
TS3006a H01 MTD023UID 1212.44 1213.32 Good luck. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1213.09 1213.65 Yeah. 
TS3006a H00 MTD021PM 1213.65 1214.49 Thank you. 
TS3006a H03 MTD024ME 1220.58 1222.08 Well good luck. 
TS3006a H02 MTD022ID 1226.58 1226.78 What the 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 23.18 24.89 Hello. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 30.12 30.52 'Kay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 31.5 33.54 You all saw the newsflash? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 33.54 35.09 Or you got the same message? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 31.51 32.1 It's 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 37.01 37.82 When I uh 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 34.14 37.01 Yeah I I just saw it one minute ago. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 36.01 37.79 Yeah sorry. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 36.79 37.88 I don't know. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 37.88 39.45 I didn't see it yet I think. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 39.37 41.55 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 39.51 40.15 Newsflash? 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 40.15 42.32 D did I miss something? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 40.75 41.15 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 42.29 50.35 Yeah I received an email so I thought I I can't mail you so I thought I'd just drop it in the folder, but 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 43.08 43.93 Yeah pretty much. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 49 50.83 Hey what's wrong with my computer? 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 50.52 51.17 Okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 52.2 53.27 Is it unlocked? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 54.47 54.9 Mm. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 54.94 55.22 No. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 62.77 66.43 Yeah that's my presentation. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 65.08 67.66 I uh kind of opened it. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 64.86 65.08 Woah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 65.77 66.08 Huh? 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 65.86 66.04 Mm. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 67.95 69.05 Mm? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 69.05 70.06 Oh right. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 68.8 69.77 What the 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 69.06 69.97 Uh 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 70.05 72.29 I think you have to uh change your desktop uh 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 71.05 71.91 Okay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 73.43 73.95 size. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 74.03 75.22 Ooh. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 75.12 76.03 Everybody ready? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 74.8 75.12 'Kay. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 78.45 79.2 Sorry. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 76.34 78.45 Not really. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 76.7 77.52 Well 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 78.85 81.27 computer is uh not functioning? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 79.09 80.63 No no no. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 80.63 81.84 Yes yes yes. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 83.79 84.63 Alright. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 86.22 87.65 I'm not so g display huh? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 85.11 86.22 Where do I find this? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 84.61 85.11 Okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 85.08 85.81 Okay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 89.02 90.26 Uh display. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 91.7 94.27 And then uh settings? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 93.31 94.26 Appearance? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 93.66 93.94 Huh. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 99.05 101.36 Mm I'm not sure I. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 101.02 102.75 You read the newsflash? 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 103.24 103.51 No. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 104.42 108.09 Can we get started or is there some pressing issue? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 103.62 104.42 'Kay. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 103.85 105.17 No what was it about? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 104.27 104.51 Hmm. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 106.88 109.1 Yeah my computer is not functioning properly. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 112.8 114.99 Did you plug in the power cable when you come back? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 109.07 112.8 Oh no pressing. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 115.28 119.28 No but my screen is reduced in size. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 114.81 115.28 Yeah yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 121.48 121.76 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 118.16 120.28 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 120.28 121.48 That's difficult. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 119.21 120.68 What? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 123.05 123.45 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 126.61 127.55 Feedback. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 128.18 128.57 Hmm. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 129.49 129.8 Okay. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 131.43 131.88 Okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 134.75 136.15 alt delete. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 136.17 137.86 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 137 139.5 Format. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 139.59 140.5 Format save. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 146.08 147.79 So it doesn't draw the attention away. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 147.72 148.93 This is dreadful. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 147.94 148.33 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 150.38 152.91 I made uh uh my own map. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 161.05 165.81 No I just flapped it, closed it, took it here and then this happened. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 158.41 161.05 No that's okay. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 153.11 156.37 No not this, but the task. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 156.37 158.41 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 153.43 154.88 Oh yeah sure. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 154.88 156.33 You have Playstation also? 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 154.06 154.81 It's a 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 156.47 156.58 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 176.61 178.09 Uh where was it? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 178.09 178.99 In settings? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 173.51 176.61 Ah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 183.31 184.74 Alright. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 184.74 189.8 Thank you. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 182.12 183.31 Okay. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 189.8 191.47 Do you guys like your tasks? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 188.37 188.78 Huh. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 192.03 192.45 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 192.56 194.28 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 203.3 205.3 So frustrating. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 193.49 203.3 I spent a lot of time thinking about what I was gonna do and then a couple of minutes before this I get my function you know the information that I need. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 205.3 205.79 So 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 196.66 198.55 Yeah wa wa you actually 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 201.6 201.98 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 203.06 203.4 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 203.59 207.77 But it it's not clear what you have to to to type uh type in your presentation. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 206.55 210.36 I I had a whole idea and then just was typing it and then oh. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 205.96 206.55 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 210.36 212.48 I have to do that so switch. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 208.89 209.73 Yeah 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 212.57 219.12 This presentation is mainly based on my own ideas 'cause I hadn't time to intergrate tha the information yet so 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 211.43 212.57 Yeah exactly. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 218.67 219.09 Mm. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 219.05 219.65 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 220.26 221.14 Really annoying. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 222.03 222.67 Okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 222.67 223.87 So there we are again. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 223.84 225.22 By your humble P. M. . 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 225.67 226.11 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 228.98 232.91 Um we have three presentations, I heard. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 227.04 228.98 Okay this is the agenda. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 234.25 235.48 Really. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 234.81 235.84 Yeah really. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 235.84 237.9 So who wants to start? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 239.01 240.44 Yeah that's fine. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 240.98 241.22 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 241.54 243.13 We have to start it right away? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 243.42 244.63 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 244.63 246.23 Uh this is you? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 244.58 245.71 Functional? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 245.71 247.17 Yeah functional requirements. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 248.5 248.69 'Kay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 248.79 249.19 Alright. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 253.48 254.36 Um 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 250.53 253.48 I'm gonna talk about functional requirements. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 265.2 267.37 Uh and they also filled in a questionnaire. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 255.84 259.52 Well uh some research has be done uh has been done. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 259.52 265.2 Uh observing of one hundred uh subjects in the usability lab using a remote control. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 268.93 272.45 The findings were um, well you can see them for yourself. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 277.31 282.14 Um they do not match the the operating behaviour of the users. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 282.14 285.77 So they they d they don't match what they want to have on it. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 272.45 275.44 They disliked the look-and-feel of current remotes controls. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 275.44 277.31 Users think they're ugly. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 294.43 298.18 And they're bad for R. S. I. . 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 289.98 294.43 Um it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 286.26 289.98 Um they are often lost somewhere in the room. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 298.18 301.7 I don't know uh how a user can reach that but okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 323.68 325.71 I mean the 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 317.83 321.77 Um screen settings for brightness and colour and stuff like that. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 311.87 317.83 Uh most irrelevant and less used were audio settings, mono, stereo, uh pitch, bass. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 301.77 311.87 Um there is also uh was also some research on uh the most relevant and and and irrelevant uh f functions. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 321.77 323.68 Um but they are used. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 302.98 303.51 Ts 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 325.31 327.35 So they do need to be in the 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 340.06 340.91 We c we c 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 326.82 329.68 Yeah they do need to be on the on the remote control. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 329.68 337.34 I mean if you can't control the the sound settings I mean if you dislike a very uh loud bass or something, you you need to change that. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 337.34 340.06 So um yeah we have to. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 327.13 327.6 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 329.7 330.43 Alright. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 337.43 338.91 often. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 339.24 343.49 By the way my T. V. doesn't have an equ equaliser but okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 349.1 353.45 Uh most relevant, uh most used functions, uh they speak for themselves I guess. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 367.24 369.4 So forget this one. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 362.03 367.24 and teletext is so outdated that it it's i should not be used uh any more in the future. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 369.4 373.92 Uh channel settings, so for programming uh your channels in in the right order. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 353.45 357.39 Uh power button, uh channel, volume selection. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 341.97 349.1 Yeah I mean w we can't my my T. V. has, but we we can leave them uh away. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 357.39 362.03 Uh teletext but we can skip that because I saw the newsflash 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 342.86 346.21 Next generation does. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 345.16 345.87 No. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 345.87 346.39 Alright. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 364.84 365.79 N not used anymore. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 369.07 369.48 Okay. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 376.44 377.51 I didn't get anything. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 373.21 376.44 By the way where did you guys get that newsflash from? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 373.26 373.6 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 375.35 376.99 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 376.99 378.2 I was wondering uh 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 376.53 379.69 Yeah, on on the project uh 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 377.63 378.06 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 382.21 382.79 So 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 380.57 382.21 I receiv the mail but you don't. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 379.63 380.57 Not by mail. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 385.21 386.77 So teletext can be skipped. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 382.36 385.21 No so it's a text file n in the project folder. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 382.47 385.85 But you you've got more information than uh. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 386.91 389.16 That's in the presentation, so 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 389.14 389.52 Alright. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 389.34 393.36 Um there was some research on new features in a remote control. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 402.12 404.16 Or the the the targeted group. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 404.16 405.87 So it's above forty I guess. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 397.83 402.12 Well we got an update for the for the audience. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 393.36 397.83 Uh about an L. C. D. screen uh and speech recognition. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 406.61 409.47 Uh below I believe. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 409.47 410.39 Yeah below forty. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 407.17 408.59 The new product? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 408.59 411.77 Or below because that's pretty relevant. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 411.99 412.27 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 413.3 414.99 I thought I read a 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 414.27 418.47 Our current customers are in the age group forty plus. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 418.47 423.43 And the new product should reach new markets, which is the customers below forty. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 417.96 418.37 Yeah? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 423.32 428.28 Okay well that's that's in the newsfla okay that's a good to know. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 448.3 449.05 Um 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 428.28 433.69 Um because you see see a clear distinction between the age groups, concerning the features. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 422.12 423.32 Below? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 442.04 445.69 Uh but below that age they uh they pretty much are. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 433.69 442.04 I mean uh above forty people are not so interested uh not so interested in a screen or speech recognition. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 445.69 448.3 So I think we can build that in. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 423.97 425.84 But where did you get uh that information? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 425.1 426.17 That's in a newsflash. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 430.24 430.58 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 427 430.24 Okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 457.85 461.87 but we just have to build them in because uh they find it very interesting. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 451.18 457.85 Yeah well we can skip this part as well, because I thought I read above forty so we could skip the features 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 469.13 477.28 Um and and also there's so not only the design of the bus uh buttons but o how you can push them, and stuff like that. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 462.44 469.13 Um well we have to keep all the classic functions but make the buttons as user-friendly as possible. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 477.28 479.98 So the physical uh aspect of it. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 479.98 480.86 Um 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 498.34 503 so it's d it has to look nice and feel nice, and and have all the functions that uh 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 482.02 489.85 And I think and certainly for for the for the lower age groups, uh nice design, which uh does not make the remote control in your room. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 494.12 498.34 So it's the people can say, well what's that, well that's my remote control,
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 489.85 494.12 It's it's actually a part of your interior, of of your design in your room. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 490.24 490.48 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 498.93 499.19 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 502.35 504.93 But it also needs to have corporate identity. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 505.2 510.3 Yeah so the the logo has to be uh present yeah, and the colours as well. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 507.72 508.85 Present and the colours. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 509.46 512.08 So we can't change much of that. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 511.96 513.48 Do we have uh yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 525.51 529.51 Well that are the the consequences uh on a marketing uh part. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 520.71 525.51 So I think that's not gonna gonna affect it very uh very much. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 512.35 517.95 Yeah so but I I don't think that's that's a problem because the thing has to have a colour anyway 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 517.95 520.71 and most of the times there is a brand present on it. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 516.28 516.54 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 517.83 518.46 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 518.46 518.79 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 521.02 521.29 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 522.72 523.21 Okay. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 530.64 531.46 Alright. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 530.78 531.13 Yes. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 531.02 531.91 'Kay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 531.36 532.02 Okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 533.25 536.92 It's open already so you can use to 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 539.26 539.92 Mm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 539.72 540.66 find yours. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 541.79 542.61 It's 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 544.07 544.59 F. five. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 545.03 545.74 F. five. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 546.96 547.48 Okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 557.35 559.61 You pressed alt F. four? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 549.42 557.35 Go Jurgen. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 549.6 550.02 Oh. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 552.82 554.35 What is this? 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 554.35 555.27 Oh no. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 556.72 557.65 How do I uh 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 559.5 560.82 I pressed the mouse button. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 558.92 559.5 No no no. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 561.16 562.79 Oh great. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 562.55 564.61 It's th that's the self-destruct button. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 565.28 569.02 Uh maybe you can do it from your computer so talk us through it. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 564.11 565.28 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 565.46 566.08 Okay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 564.62 565.46 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 567.16 567.69 Okay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 567.69 571.02 Um if you all go stand around uh 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 567.29 568.41 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 568.41 570.04 Just yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 570.48 571.21 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 571.69 572.22 Computer 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 571.79 572.24 Sure. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 572.08 572.79 Alright. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 573.84 576.27 Um 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 574.58 576.39 That's nice. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 577.91 578.09 No. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 578.92 579.63 F. five. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 579.63 579.98 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 579.29 580.04 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 580.04 580.66 Alright. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 579.96 580.42 Okay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 590.29 594.1 This the easy one I think we have to to combine them. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 584.14 590.29 Um this one is the the yeah the advanced one with a lot of options and functions and buttons. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 594.1 597.16 And uh yeah merge the best functions of all examples. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 581.25 584.14 I uh had uh two examples. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 583.51 583.79 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 589.22 589.83 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 590.41 590.72 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 593.52 593.96 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 593.74 594.16 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 594.25 594.61 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 596.91 597.47 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 598.28 603.48 Um but yeah the the age is uh under forty? 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 603.48 603.95 So we 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 602.32 603.41 The mm yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 610.34 612.45 So not not too much but yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 602.87 610.34 Yeah and and and marketing research stated that that that kind of users are not afraid of of a lot of functions. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 608.83 612.63 Okay so so we have the option for more functions. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 612.63 614.28 Um yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 615.04 620.22 And we do have to integrate the screen and the the speech alright. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 617.95 619.51 And the speech recognition yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 619.26 619.84 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 619.54 619.86 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 628.59 628.92 But 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 621.03 624.4 Uh yeah this this one we can remove for kids. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 624.4 628.59 It's just only for adults so uh we can uh use some advanced options. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 628.2 630.39 Yeah from age of sixteen so yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 629.72 633.84 Yeah but I prefer we we uh use the the basic options uh yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 633.84 639.75 We have to to make them very easy so for just uh zapping around the channels you can just push one button. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 639.75 646.15 But if you want to to use your your video recorder or something else, you should use use an uh an advanced option. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 635.86 636.47 Mm. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 636.37 637.04 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 639.59 639.89 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 652.95 653.45 So w 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 646.29 652.95 Yeah but uh the the newsflash also stated that it should control only one device, only your television. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 650.91 652.46 Okay one device. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 659.01 660.48 We have to make it fashionable. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 660.48 662 Like you uh said uh before. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 653.16 654.11 I didn't see. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 652.46 653.16 Okay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 658.44 659.01 W yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 654.11 658.44 Okay and I also uh yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 652.24 652.78 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 654.11 655.19 Now yeah it's okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 652.78 654.11 So n it's very easy. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 654.58 657.27 So there are not extra options in this case, but uh 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 656.94 657.39 Okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 660.46 661.01 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 660.5 660.81 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 664.92 668.49 Um yeah only use a extra function if they are really needed. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 663.2 664.92 Uh yeah the basic functions. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 668.7 670.81 Yeah so maybe you can hide them or something. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 668.76 669.17 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 670.77 671.03 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 676.87 684.52 And the and the yeah screen menu to to to uh to do that, and then the basic function just on the device itself. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 684.52 689.64 So it looks very simple and all the advanced features are hidden in the screen, uh with a clear menu. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 670.95 676.87 Yeah well what what we can do with the screen is is all the the configuration options, you can put that in the screen. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 676.85 678.75 Yeah you make a screen menu or something. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 678.86 679.05 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 680.52 681.16 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 684.73 685.23 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 687.99 692.91 Yeah and the other oth other uh functionality is the screen. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 692.91 694.05 What does the screen do? 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 688.02 688.4 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 695.03 697.87 Did I uh did I break it? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 695.35 696.39 Uh. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 696.39 697.11 What are wh 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 695.81 696.43 Alright. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 697.22 698.21 It's low power. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 696.4 697.22 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 700.01 701.54 What. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 705.28 707.27 What do they want with the screen? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 703.14 705.28 They said they needed it but what does it do? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 701.31 703.14 So what does the screen do? 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 706.67 708.68 For for the advanced functions I think. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 708.63 710.08 Yeah that's what we make it up. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 710.08 711.7 So but what did the marketing 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 708.67 714.07 Yeah well it yeah it didn't it didn't say what they want to do with the screen. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 714.07 718.51 Well I, my guess is it's it's pretty handy for advanced uh advanced functions. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 713.19 713.67 No. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 718.56 720.39 With no predefined uh 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 717.05 718.56 Yeah okay it's handy. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 718.58 720.66 Like searching for channels and 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 720.37 722.41 Yeah searching for channels, programming them. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 720.79 721.21 Ah look. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 721.96 724.02 We have your uh oh never mind. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 722.1 722.3 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 723.58 725.48 We're back online. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 724.92 727.59 That's uh I'm al I'm almost finished so 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 724.05 724.92 Okay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 738.08 746.49 So we have to make uh a compromise between functionality and fashional fashionable yeah content and form. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 748.65 748.89 Yes. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 746.49 748.65 Now that that was uh was the end. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 728.44 738.08 Um the we have to to to watch out for the i if we make it f very fashionable, it it the functional functionality will go down. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 728.63 729.97 Okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 742.82 744.02 Content and form. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 742.05 742.82 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 744.27 744.85 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 745.8 747.18 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 747.18 748.75 That was the end. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 748.75 749.47 Okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 748.1 748.45 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 749.93 755.05 Well my presentation is a bit uh sucky. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 748.47 749.93 Okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 755.18 757.24 Well you can improvise right? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 755.73 756.64 Uh which one is it? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 756.64 758.07 Technical functions? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 757.2 758.95 Yeah a little bit. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 758.95 760.4 Uh no. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 758.98 759.41 This one? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 761.51 762.71 No no. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 765.44 766.58 Functional requirements? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 766.88 768.85 Yeah I think that would be it then. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 769.29 769.57 No. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 769.85 771.54 So we we can go for 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 770.32 771.21 I have no idea. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 771.82 772.08 Or 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 770.55 771.82 You didn't put it in? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 774.27 775.04 Let me check. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 772.1 774.27 That w. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 774.09 777.59 it's not really English. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 776.56 777.32 I know. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 781.4 782.8 Oh working design I got it. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 779.71 781.4 Uh kick off. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 783.24 783.71 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 784.38 789.58 So we can go for the look-and-feel of the the left example, and then a screen on top of it. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 792.36 792.74 Here you go. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 793.6 795.97 Alright how do I uh skip pages? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 798.29 798.77 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 795.68 798.29 Just uh press uh yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 797.69 799.83 The keys yeah? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 799.83 800.47 Alright. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 800.47 805.41 Um yeah well I was working on this before I got my information. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 805.41 812.88 So I was just working off the top of my head and using my colin common knowledge about uh remote controls. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 798.31 798.71 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 807.57 807.83 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 831.42 833.63 Those were my uh starting points. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 813.29 817.01 And well the info on the website which came too late. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 817.01 823.51 Um so I didn't really know what kind of functions we had to put into it yet. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 823.51 831.42 So uh uh this is basically an overview of what we discussed in our last uh meeting. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 815.73 816.03 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 823.54 823.83 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 832.8 833.23 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 842.61 851.5 But um yeah then uh the information came and it was kind of exact with all the steps in the remote control that I had to follow 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 862.19 866.16 So I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to say about it. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 855.05 862.19 And then make the the design, a the actual design, but I never came around to do that. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 834.19 842.61 Uh I was working on a s yeah on a schedule, and I was supposed to do it like this. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 851.5 855.05 so I was trying to organise them for myself. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 851.96 852.2 Mm. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 857.02 858.4 Design? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 858.4 858.73 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 857.59 858.85 Design yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 862.44 863.12 Okay. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 866.27 868.72 I mean everything speaks for itself I guess. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 885.15 888.98 And then uh through a uh transformer 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 888.98 901.35 it the signal gets boosted and then sent to the to the receiver on the T. V. and the T. V. will translate it into a function. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 868.72 882.36 Mean you press a button um the it tru goes, it sends a signal to a chip, which uh translates it into infrared signal of certin spatial frequencies. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 882.36 885.15 And uh or temporal fr frequencies actually. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 901.35 902.08 Um 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 870.5 870.82 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 881.99 882.29 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 880.91 881.99 Yeah frequency. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 881.05 881.36 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 889.57 890.62 Yeah decoder. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 903.04 904.48 Yeah well this was 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 905.65 908.31 actually all I got around to do. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 908.31 910.88 I mean I dunno if I'm too slow for this stuff, but uh 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 905.93 908.09 Blank. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 908.09 908.78 Yeah okay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 906.53 908.72 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 907.3 908.99 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 910.3 912.46 Work harder. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 912.4 916.35 Okay shou should we make a list of the of all the functions we want uh 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 913.07 913.86 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 913.86 914.22 Whatever. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 915.85 916.26 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 917.18 917.93 Uh 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 917.18 919.46 Yeah we want to incorporate in uh into it. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 918.65 918.88 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 921.44 922.02 'Kay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 922.02 933.2 Um for those that didn't see yet um the basic new requirements of the management were no teletext, only for T. V. . 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 937.2 943.25 but I don't think it's w wrong if we can uh target the current customer group as well. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 933.2 937.2 Uh it should be designed for a use g uh group below forty 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 943.34 943.67 Mm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 944.48 950.69 And uh the corporate identity should be clear in the design of the remote control. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 951.86 961.13 And we have to decide on the functions, and on the, let's see what was it, uh the target group. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 961.13 963.71 We have to make be clear what that is. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 969.92 973.71 I guess that's that's the tar yeah uh or male and female 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 964.27 969.92 group of users, or because it says below forty I mean. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 965.62 966.41 Yeah users. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 969.01 972.14 Yeah so I think it's easy but 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 971.81 975.47 But uh it's it's also for children or just uh 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 979.9 985.63 Sixteen to twenty five, twenty five to thirty five, thirty five to forty five, something like that. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 974.99 979.9 Uh six the marketing research started on s on the age of sixteen. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 985.63 986.46 So um 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 975.06 978.34 Yeah it's below forty so we can decide where to 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 977.23 977.73 Okay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 980.24 980.88 Okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 982.47 982.99 Okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 985.85 988.43 So below forty is okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1001.12 1001.41 'Kay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 996.59 998.55 Is it from twenty to forty? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1000.21 1001.12 Yeah? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 994.16 996.59 So is it from sixteen to forty? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 998.55 1000.21 Is it from thirty? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 988.43 994.16 But we need an lower level which to s uh focus. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 993.34 993.95 How do you mean? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 998.63 1000.62 Uh sixteen to forty. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1006.12 1008.3 So they they adapt to it pretty soon I guess. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1000.62 1006.12 Well I I guess people of sixteen are are quite used to technology. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1000.88 1001.8 We we have to 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 999.84 1000.88 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1005.51 1005.86 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1007.99 1012.94 And if we have a larger public we have uh yeah more options to to uh sell our product. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1011.5 1012.16 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1013.68 1021.02 Yeah so what we might wanna do is uh yeah cust I have customised the screen functions, if you know what I mean. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1021.02 1030.08 The uh younger users are more acquainted with these kind of machines so they can use more advanced functions. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1030.08 1035.79 But maybe elderly people don't understand it so well, so they need a simpler remote. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1035.79 1040.43 And yeah that you can choose what the design displays, or wha whatever. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1021.2 1021.5 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1036.58 1037.21 Mm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1035.25 1036.58 Design. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1046.27 1056.3 The the simple functions for for the the whole public, and the the advanced options for the younger people yeah who are more yeah experienced with uh 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1039.73 1046.27 Yeah that's that's why uh I wanted to to make yeah two uh different uh yeah groups of functions. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1049.51 1049.82 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1053.09 1053.45 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1054.2 1056.17 And maybe y 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1054.47 1055.4 Experienced yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1055.07 1060.14 But uh all incorporated in the screen or or just on the remote itself? 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1058.46 1058.74 Na 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1059.75 1065.98 I w I should uh put uh the the yeah the extra advanced options on the onto the onscreen display. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1065.94 1074.99 Yeah like like you have a visual of the of the brightness with with a kind of sliding bar and a bus and and stuff like that for sound and and vis and and visuals? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1066.44 1066.68 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1069.64 1069.98 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1070.04 1071.03 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1071.03 1071.58 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1074.67 1081.03 So is you should have a menu for all the the functions you don't use regular and which are 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1077.61 1083.95 Uh you can make a if you make a drawing. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1083.95 1084.49 Uh 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1079.83 1080.21 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1083.03 1083.63 Aye yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1081.67 1083.03 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1085.75 1086.76 Uh. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1086.86 1087.9 Shall I uh 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1089.57 1092.18 Uh black's okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1094.32 1097.67 And draw it very big. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1099.18 1099.56 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1097.67 1099.18 Oh. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1098.39 1098.83 It's okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1098.04 1098.39 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1100.3 1103.05 no, it doesn't have line control, so 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1103.05 1103.42 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1105.41 1106.82 Yeah we get the 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1112.91 1118.99 Um well usually the power button is on top I guess. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1106.48 1112.91 Yeah well, this is basically uh it's alright the remote? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1110.26 1110.9 The remote? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1111.26 1112.68 The remote, yeah? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1114.08 1114.65 Basic. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1116.86 1117.54 Is on top. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1118.59 1121.29 Which should be easy, easily reached with the thumb. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1121.61 1125.02 Yeah so it should fit right in into your hand. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1122.76 1123.79 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1123.79 1125.66 L left top or right uh top? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1137.52 1138 I dunno. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1134.26 1136.64 If you put it like like here. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1127.74 1128.06 Right. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1128.06 1134.26 I most people are right-handed so maybe left-handed special addition, but okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1136.64 1137.52 Or something. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1126.36 1127.74 Right. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1126.38 1128.94 T I s should said right. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1128.94 1130.68 Because yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1127.36 1128.01 Right top. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1127.52 1128.08 Yeah, right. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1129.98 1130.41 Okay. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1130.1 1131.13 Yeah definitely. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1139.4 1145.39 Um then you could put a screen, like on a mobile phone, also on top I guess. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1145.58 1146.16 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1145.64 1152.92 Yeah but if you are using the the normal functions, the the basic functions, you normally press them on the u yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1150.95 1153.27 Do the also with the thumb. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1153.27 1160.3 So it should be a little bit longer so that you can put your uh thumb, also reach the middle. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1160.3 1163.88 Or you should screen at the bottom and then you can see it very clearly. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1163.8 1170.04 Okay so y yeah you have you have it in your hand, and the screen is below, and the buttons are in the middle. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1170.04 1175.51 Okay for example if you put the screen here, it's more about the functions now than the than the layout. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1165.76 1168.55 You you need to be able to hold it so 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1168.33 1168.66 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1170.04 1170.42 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1175.83 1176.59 Layout. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1174.64 1175.83 Yeah okay that's true. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1176.59 1177.44 That's for the 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1177.83 1179.83 It's uh it's bent. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1176.78 1177.83 Doesn't work too well. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1180.21 1181.46 I can't help it. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1182.16 1183.33 You broke it. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1183.26 1183.99 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1186.16 1186.52 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1188.72 1190.65 Right. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1188.78 1189.31 Man. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1191.36 1193.33 Yeah okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1193.57 1195.88 Uh for example if y if you put all the 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1192.13 1193.57 Okay you get it. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1199.22 1199.78 Right. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1206.26 1207.31 And you have a pen? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1204.46 1206.26 You want the normal piece of paper? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1207.64 1208.09 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1208.86 1209.93 And might be easier huh? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1209.22 1212.1 Maybe this. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1212.1 1212.92 kind of works. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1213.36 1213.6 Yeah? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1214.63 1215.71 Like if you have 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1216.74 1224.05 like uh ten buttons for for all the for all the channels, um and here one for for 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1219.97 1220.29 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1221.83 1223.26 Uh. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1223.26 1225.08 And the for flipping up and down. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1224.56 1226.02 Yeah yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1226.02 1227.24 And volume control. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1226.78 1233.88 Yeah that that usually uh like here, here, here, here. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1233.88 1239.94 So you have up and down for the for the channels, and left and right for the volume uh 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1229.65 1230.4 Yeah I 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1233.54 1233.94 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1234.03 1234.33 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1237.66 1238.79 And left to right. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1239.53 1241.76 And those can also be used for the menu. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1242.95 1249.45 I thought but this is really your department, that we need just the functional display and four cursors. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1242.21 1242.95 Yeah exactly. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1243.27 1243.63 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1245.31 1245.69 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1247.66 1248.07 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1248.48 1252.43 Yeah okay but this is function so if you can use them for multiple things 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1249.74 1254.09 And you you have most of the time you have one button in the middle. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1271.58 1274.83 So you scroll into it, okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1255.5 1269.51 and then if you press it you the screen gets activated and then you can use these buttons to scroll up and down and left and right to go into functon and then just mo most of the time this menu button is also like okay 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1254.09 1255.5 It says menu 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1274.83 1277.31 You select a function like v like uh bass. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1269.51 1271.58 to to confirm a a kind of action. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1250.55 1251.16 And 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1252.26 1252.84 Yeah okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1255.17 1255.45 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1254.18 1255.17 For the menu. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1260.9 1261.5 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1261.06 1261.27 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1265.18 1265.56 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1270.9 1271.18 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1290.34 1292.11 And then finally say okay, exit. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1277.94 1280.82 You just adjust it with these two buttons. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1292.11 1293.89 Or or one button to exit it. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1280.82 1290.34 Then okay to confirm, and then uh on on each on each screen there's there should be an option to go back to a to a upper level. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1279.92 1280.23 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1290.48 1290.75 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1294.14 1294.58 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1298.59 1302.11 That's more your uh your department to to uh to 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1294.52 1298.59 Uh in one time I dunno, that's not really my department. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1298.56 1304.63 And do we need a a logo on our uh remote control, or 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1304.95 1310.89 But it should be if the screen is here then the logo should be like on on top, yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1310.89 1311.82 I mean it's uh 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1304.2 1304.95 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1304.31 1304.69 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1308.77 1310.4 On the left uh top yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1311.65 1312.01 Okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1314.08 1316.24 But it's essential that there is a screen. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1312.08 1314.08 Yeah but that depends on where you put the screen. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1314.42 1314.8 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1316.46 1325.03 Yeah I mean the position of the screen is also more essential than I mean we we look where we have space left and then put the logo over there. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1325.03 1325.63 But um 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1323.77 1324.1 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1324.96 1331.06 And for the speech uh recognition part, if we want to incorporate that, we need a microphone. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1337.38 1337.79 I mean i 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1330.69 1337.38 Yeah so it should be I mean if you have it in your hand here, should be on top somewhere, maybe. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1336.53 1337.77 This would be uh 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1335.89 1336.53 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1337.22 1339.41 Why did we wanna put the display in the bottom? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1339.81 1344.08 No that's not s sure so uh we need a display. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1341.62 1343.18 That's not sure but it's 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1341.65 1342.44 Okay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1342.77 1345.03 Yeah may maybe because you're 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1343.78 1347.83 Because yeah if you use the functions your hand will block the display. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1348.63 1356.07 Yeah okay but only for the basic functi if you're going to use the advanced option, you're going to press the the menu button and then yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1361.05 1366.22 Also because people use m mobile phones and they also have the screen on top. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1356.44 1361.05 Yeah I mean a screen on top looks more lo logical to me. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1373.18 1379.59 But most most of the times if a if if a T. V. 's on standby people just press a channel to put it on. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1371.25 1373.18 I mean if you grab it. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1366.22 1371.25 So you you just have to reach a little bit for the power button. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1379.59 1383.27 So we put this on top, and then make the corporate logo 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1359.6 1361.18 Normal for logical t 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1361.07 1361.4 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1361.12 1361.36 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1363.38 1364.78 Yeah they're used to it. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1366.29 1367.13 That's possible. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1365 1366.29 Okay the yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1370.71 1371.3 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1373.48 1374.89 You don't need the power button. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1372.03 1373.48 On once it's on it's on. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1374.01 1374.9 Yeah, okay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1377.91 1379.37 Okay we put it on top. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1381.11 1381.37 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1390.16 1395.39 If you look at your mobile phones are some stripes, little little holes. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1386.47 1387.29 R. R. . 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1385.03 1386.47 like over here. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1387.29 1390.16 And j and the microphone, I mean it can be very small. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1392.01 1392.25 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1395.47 1395.96 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1395.96 1397.95 Maybe on the top or even on the side. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1399.23 1401.78 I mean if the if the microphone is good. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1397.9 1399.23 Yeah maybe on the side. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1400.04 1403.06 Yeah but then it's possible that you cover it with your hand so 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1402.96 1403.47 True. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1403.42 1404.12 Yeah okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1404.12 1406.17 So on the on the top is better. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1403.45 1403.96 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1404.18 1405.78 I think that top is the best option. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1405.14 1412.61 But if you uh if you hold the ma the remote like this, if you put it on the top on the side I dunno. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1414.29 1414.68 Never mind. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1412.61 1414.29 Should be able to work. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1412.25 1412.86 Yeah okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1413.27 1414.89 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1414.23 1417.52 Depends on the sensitivity of the microphone, but I think that's okay. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1416.08 1418.85 Can we leave this up to you? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1422.62 1424.96 Which functions did we have left? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1417.8 1419.98 Yeah it doesn't matter that much. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1419.98 1422.62 So but um the screen is on top? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1432.31 1433.83 Screen is over there. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1426.4 1432.31 I mean this is basically numbers, volume, uh channel up and down. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1428.93 1429.58 Volume. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1430.47 1430.79 Up. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1431.45 1435.26 Channel up and down, and the control of the advanced options. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1435.71 1436.27 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1436.27 1437.07 If we 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1435.96 1436.42 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1436.15 1441.04 So maybe it, we should decide what advanced options we want to put in the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1440.67 1441.3 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1441.3 1443.01 That's uh that's a good one. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1442.95 1446.61 Yeah so we we needed to integrate the sound and uh 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1454.83 1455.45 If you 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1449.9 1454.83 Like uh bass uh so we need kind of an equaliser. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1447.63 1449.9 and image options right? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1449.47 1449.78 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1449.84 1451.57 Yeah so sounds? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1452.34 1452.9 Sound? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1455.48 1456.96 Equaliser. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1456.96 1458.2 So if you have sound 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1454.93 1455.48 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1460.22 1461.73 But not too advanced. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1461.73 1465.1 I mean most T. V. s use only treble and bass. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1463.84 1466.71 Yeah it it's just a remote control so 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1464.1 1465.15 Yeah and they're 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1465.36 1467.42 Yeah treble, middl middle, bass or something. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1466 1467.51 They're not used often so 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1467.73 1467.87 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1469.04 1472.23 It's uh pretty hard to write. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1472.23 1472.96 Mm. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1472.96 1474.41 Okay but you have sound? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1467.77 1469.04 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1471.23 1471.9 Ah as 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1472.58 1473.5 Yeah just 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1474.95 1475.77 Yeah sounds. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1480.49 1481.25 So you have sound. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1475.8 1480.49 Yeah just oh y you have digital uh better write it down over there yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1476.67 1476.93 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1480.92 1482.69 I'm just a secretary. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1480.09 1480.92 Of course. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1484.7 1490.53 Uh yeah sound and then within sound I guess treble and bass? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1482.9 1484.7 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1483.7 1484.91 Coffee? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1485.71 1486.43 Yes please. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1491.01 1491.89 Treble bass. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1498.14 1500.07 And then pitch. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1491.6 1495.69 the mono stereo option? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1495.69 1498.14 And there there was something else also. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1496.11 1496.63 Also. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1494.91 1496.11 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1495.63 1496.11 Uh 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1498.45 1501.04 Pitch I believe, yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1501.09 1501.53 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1501.53 1505.44 But pitch, isn't that yeah that's the the height of the tone. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1500.25 1501.09 Pitch. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1504.34 1504.69 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1504.37 1506.49 The fr yeah the frequency of the tones, yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1509.5 1511.84 If people like talk like uh 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1506.47 1509.5 Yeah okay, wh why would you use that? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1507.07 1509.28 Yeah and mono stereo. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1509.31 1514.81 Yeah isn't that that depends on the on the signal of the of what program you're watching. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1516.03 1517.86 And also the tuning part? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1515.09 1516.03 Mm. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1515.11 1515.79 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1518.98 1520.02 Programming part. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1520.02 1521.54 Yeah programming. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1521.54 1522.84 So channel programming? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1523.66 1524.78 Channel programming. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1521.13 1523.66 Uh so we have sound, yeah? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1525.59 1528.94 And yeah in the functionality of the 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1529.31 1531.75 Television uh itself uh 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1536.96 1539.65 As a confirmation or whatever you know? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1530.22 1536.96 no no of the remote uh do do we want uh the buttons to make sound when you press them? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1539.65 1540.17 I dunno. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1538.14 1538.7 Mm. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1541.61 1544.54 I mean most mobile phones used that in the beginning but 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1538.86 1539.97 Mm. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1539.97 1541.61 I think it g it gets annoying. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1539.92 1541.93 Mm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1541.93 1542.28 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1542.45 1546.01 We we could make an option for it, but uh you can disable s 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1545.68 1548.96 Under the a yeah advanced option menu you can put those things. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1547.67 1548.06 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1557.08 1558.67 So yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1550.02 1557.08 But uh the the television itself has also the the options brightness and uh screen colour etcetera. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1550.14 1550.47 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1557.4 1558.37 Contrast yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1558.64 1569.58 Yeah but people don't want to sit on their knees on their knees in front of their television with only three buttons then it's very hard to y yeah contrast and brightness? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1564.07 1564.49 No. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1563.34 1564.07 Mm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1565.32 1567.54 Uh, so contrast, 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1567.62 1568.06 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1570.45 1571 bright, 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1574.05 1575.4 If you look at your monitor. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1571.67 1574.05 Yeah those are the most used I guess. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1572.99 1573.7 uh 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1576.42 1577.66 So I can just copy those? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1574.06 1576.42 And the others were in your presentation right? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1576.68 1580.71 Well yeah well I guess that these were the only ones, I guess. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1580.27 1581.19 Okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1581.19 1582.02 It's easy. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1583.1 1584.26 I will look it up. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1582.28 1583.1 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1582.7 1586.37 But so we have we have T. V. options, which is all this. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1595.33 1597.02 So we need two menus kind of thing. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1586.37 1589.27 The sound, sound and image. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1589.27 1595.33 And you have in that uh the indeed the remote control options. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1586.07 1588.91 Yeah the button options and the L. C. D. options. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1592.15 1594.86 Indeed. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1594.86 1595.31 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1604.42 1614.36 And the L. C. D. options are activated by some some software options, thats communicates with the infrared uh decoder yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1597.45 1604.42 Yeah you have basically a button menu, which you can use directly, uh according to the old principle. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1602.16 1602.49 Uh-huh. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1612.47 1615.96 Yeah with the chip and then I mean 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1616.05 1617.29 So you 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1620.51 1624.8 Well yeah we have power button, whether that's present. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1628.42 1632.35 Yeah a audio settings, mono, stereo, pitch, bass, treble. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1617.7 1620.51 Uh yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1624.8 1627 Channel volume selection present. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1627 1628.42 Uh numbers present. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1632.35 1634.71 Screen settings, brightness and colour. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1617.95 1621.52 You have an additional processor and and software part. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1622.49 1622.92 Alright. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1622.58 1623.26 Compared to o 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1624.72 1625.14 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1629.11 1629.48 L. s 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1630.87 1631.35 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1636.43 1638.51 Yeah I I call it contrast. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1635.17 1636.43 Colour. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1638.51 1641.08 Yeah I make it c colour. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1636.82 1638.72 Yeah con contrast is 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1643.01 1647.25 Um and what you say, channel settings or channel programming? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1640.49 1643.01 Yeah okay, colour and brightness. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1656.79 1658.4 And then you can um 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1647.25 1656.79 So you you have an option to to start scanning all the frequencies, and when it encounters one, well it shows on your T. V. . 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1642.53 1642.84 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1651.72 1653.33 Yeah and automatically um 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1656.62 1656.9 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1660.14 1665.29 Uh and then you can select uh a number in your remote on which you want to save it. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1663.48 1666.84 Yeah so I've g channel program is autoseek? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1667.17 1668.41 Yeah, autoseek. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1668.61 1673.08 Uh name a channel, or 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1673.45 1677.97 Well most T. V. s automatically display the name, which they get through the cable. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1678.14 1680.27 Oh they get automatic names, okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1680.52 1683.49 So you only have to choose the position on your 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1679.91 1680.52 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1684.72 1693.05 It only has to match the the channel frequency on your T. V., with with the with the position on your T. V. and and so your remote. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1688.18 1688.59 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1693 1698.81 Yeah but can you also say I want f uh Veronica on the channel number uh five or 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1693.43 1693.72 Help. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1700.65 1702.05 If you want to move it. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1706.36 1706.91 Mm? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1698.67 1700.65 If you already programmed it. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1704.93 1706.36 Yeah how do you call that? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1702.05 1704.93 Yeah that should be possible too. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1701.74 1702.12 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1700.63 1701.74 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1703.44 1705.94 How do you call that? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1722.76 1729.67 Just browse through it and then um in some kind of way see if it if it if it is programmed. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1708.55 1718.35 Wait you you should be able to to browse through a list or something, which w displays all the all the values, all the channels which are possible. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1718.35 1722.76 I mean like one to f thirty of or ninety or whatever. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1715.93 1716.98 Channels? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1716.98 1717.7 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1721.43 1721.94 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1720.14 1721.43 Ninety nine or something. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1728.59 1730.69 S swap channels? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1731.4 1732.31 Can I call it that? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1732.7 1733.77 Swap channels. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1731.4 1732.7 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1733.51 1735.23 Swap's good option. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1735.23 1735.78 Okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1735.78 1737.12 Uh other functions? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1736.07 1740.67 So you most of the time if you if you swap it 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1741.98 1747.54 S uh let's say for example you have uh R. T. L. five on on channel five. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1747.54 1756.9 And Veronica on channel eight and you want to move Veronica to channel five, um most of the times you override the previous uh the previous one. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1756.58 1756.96 Okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1756.02 1756.58 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1758.12 1762.4 Well that's 's up to uh Mister User Interface Designer. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1761.62 1766.48 It's it's pretty uh yeah I mean you have to look on on the menu 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1760.42 1761.62 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1762.44 1762.9 Okay. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1766.86 1768.74 working design. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1768.74 1769.26 Doch. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1767.8 1768.89 on the T. V. . 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1768.22 1770.32 Also. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1770.32 1772 That's you're 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1770.32 1773.42 He only has to figure out how it has to look. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1773.42 1773.94 And how 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1773.74 1779.35 Yeah but also, which buttons you have to press to get a certain result? 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1774 1774.29 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1775.03 1775.61 to use 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1779.97 1789.53 And the working design was to specify how ph the physical interation between the components was, as I believe. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1780.53 1781.05 But 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1779.98 1780.53 Yeah okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1790.07 1790.53 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1790.29 1791.71 You did your homework. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1794.44 1795.31 Okay. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1791.71 1794.44 But um yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1798.66 1799.92 To programme the channels? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1792.84 1798.66 Or or is it too hard to to ju to just do it all on your remote? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1801.21 1803 It should be able to do any remote. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1800.29 1801.21 No no. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1808.28 1810.18 We don't have to design a protocol so 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1800.75 1802.06 No I don't think so. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1802.06 1805.7 But I think the communication with the television is difficult. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1805.7 1808.28 But that's not our part. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1801.2 1802.11 No that's 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1801.44 1801.65 Uh. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1806.15 1806.77 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1807.9 1808.39 No. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1810.43 1810.78 No. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1810.99 1811.5 That's true. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1811.5 1812.11 That's true. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1812.8 1813.3 Thank god. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1819.8 1825.6 I mean you uh you uh current channel and then then it just says, uh on which number do you want to save this,
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1814.29 1817.29 So we have a figure a figure out a way to to do that easily. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1813.43 1814.29 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1836.79 1838.96 So we have to think of something for that. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1817.29 1819.8 I mean th the autoseek is is not a problem. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1825.6 1831.32 and you just press a number on your remote, and then say confirm, okay, and then it's it's saved. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1831.32 1836.79 It's easier, it's it's it's harder to, if you have already programmed it, to to swap. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1813.8 1814.64 Okay 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1819.93 1821.08 No that's the 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1835.71 1836.13 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1836.83 1837.81 So but 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1838.55 1839.36 Um 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1840.86 1843.62 The User Interface Designer can design a menu 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1844.8 1848.14 for all these function I put them on the 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1846.34 1849.22 Yeah k kind of structure into layers. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1847.6 1854.57 On the uh yeah can you i make a a map with with all the yeah 'cause it's now there are lots and lots of documents 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1855.97 1857.15 Yeah I can. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1861.25 1862.15 Um 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1854.72 1855.97 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1857.15 1861.25 I'll just try to reorganise uh things. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1856.03 1856.66 and 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1860.8 1861.38 So 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1863.47 1869.36 So you design the basic function menu for the L. C. D. screen? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1870.65 1873.5 Uh um 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1874.35 1876.59 And and the layout of of the thing itself. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1874.59 1885.47 I think th I think the yeah the layout of the screen and I think you can concentrate more on the button placement and the placement of the uh screen itself on the 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1876.06 1877.84 The the layout of the remote control? 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1886.47 1890.41 Isn't that more the the u uh the user interface part? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1889.36 1891.14 No I d I think that's more in 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1892.13 1898.07 Uh all the functional uh aspects of the remote I think are in my department. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1898.07 1900.04 I have to know what it has to do,
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1900.04 1907.13 so if you wanna you know the changing the channels kind of s thing is, I have to integrate that in the design. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1895.64 1896.64 Maybe more on 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1897.7 1898.08 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1897.72 1898.13 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1906.08 1908.37 So he's layout and you're function. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1905.41 1906.08 Okay. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1908.89 1909.23 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1909.66 1912.79 Form function okay. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1912.08 1914.36 I think that's a that's a good separation. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1912.26 1912.59 Okay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1917.87 1918.68 Or 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1913.5 1917.87 But do I have to to uh to yeah to make the the menu layout also? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1919.56 1919.98 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1919.67 1920.42 Mm. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1921.26 1921.84 Yeah? 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1921.84 1924.37 I I'm going to make yeah o okay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1919.99 1921.26 Are you going to do that? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1920.01 1920.89 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1920.89 1922.03 Yeah I guess so. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1922 1925.83 I think i that's your department yes, because w he already knows what 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1923.84 1924.39 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1924.04 1926.37 Yeah we have to kind of work together. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1926.37 1932.24 If if I make the the the yeah the menu like,
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1935.78 1938.37 it's, in a in a way that b is user-friendly. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1932.24 1935.78 I have to state which function has to be in the menu, and then you have to decide,
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1926.35 1926.63 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1926.62 1926.91 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1928.76 1931.12 But we're not allowed. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1936.12 1936.35 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1937.87 1945.78 Y you you are going to make a list of what functions are uh are going to to be on the the screen, the menu screen. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1945.78 1952.2 And I'm going to make a a nice menu uh with with pages and yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1937.67 1937.87 Okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1942.67 1943.14 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1944.42 1944.79 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1948.3 1948.8 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1948.98 1949.67 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1949.28 1950.2 I think yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1951.8 1953.98 So some menus. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1949.86 1951.8 With with some l with some layers in it. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1952.16 1959.18 Yeah and also make clear which buttons to press to get certain result, because that's always the difficulty. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1959.18 1960.84 Every device has its own 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1957.25 1957.79 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1971.34 1972.9 Uh like uh for your mobile phone. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1961.15 1966.97 Well I guess this this button, the the the okay, menu okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1960.68 1961.15 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1966.97 1971.34 Or you can incorporate two uh difference uh different buttons. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1960.74 1961.18 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1965.23 1966.3 Menu okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1966.3 1966.54 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1978.61 1983.81 And then one to confirm, and one to go one step back. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1973.98 1978.61 Um so this is only for to get in the menu, or to exit it. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1983.81 1988.21 So it's like the the save button on your your mobile phone, if you have a Nokia or like that. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1990.29 1997.62 To go one step back you it's only two extra buttons, but if it if it's very clear that they are for the screen 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 1988.21 1990.29 Or the or the no button. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1977.84 1978.21 Mm. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1982.14 1982.89 Back. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 1982.89 1983.27 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 1989.85 1990.44 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1993.5 1994.21 W we 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1993.24 1993.5 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 1997.85 2000.7 Uh I think we have to to group, to make two groups. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2000.7 2006.25 Um the one group for the for the display, and one group for the basic functions, and 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2005.71 2006.28 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2006.24 2008.64 Yeah but they're incorporated? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2008.64 2009.7 Up and down is 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2008.15 2018.19 Yeah okay but we we have a m yeah but maybe that's that's not uh yeah if you're if you're z zapping uh with your uh yeah remote control,
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2018.19 2024.6 you can press the the menu button, and then you are suddenly into the the yeah the display. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2008.41 2010.7 Yeah because this this is used for both. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2013.69 2014.21 Smart? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2023.17 2024.19 Into your screen. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2028.34 2032.16 And and just put it under the screen, the screen 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2024.55 2028.34 So you l should leave the menu button out of here. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2024.19 2024.55 Okay. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2025.59 2027.11 You wanna separate uh. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2027.44 2027.76 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2029.83 2030.59 Put it on top. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2030.02 2038.11 Yeah j just just group group the yeah we make these the advanced functions and these the basic functions. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2038.11 2042.01 So we make a yeah a line between them. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2037.85 2038.4 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2037.96 2038.58 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2042.49 2045.08 But we should place the screen on top, right? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2046.09 2046.85 Well 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2047.71 2049.23 Okay yeah we swap uh Okay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2046.95 2047.71 F oh yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2048.83 2051.28 But that's uh J Jurgen's department. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2049.08 2049.34 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2050.69 2051.31 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2051.31 2052.6 So we make it a 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2050.84 2051.48 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2051.48 2054.92 You just you just find out and. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2054.92 2058.13 You do we do the extra two buttons or not? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2053.11 2054.92 You just make the layout. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2054.73 2055.32 Okay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2058.65 2059.85 Uh 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2061.56 2062.33 It's easier. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2062.33 2065.42 If you put too many functions in one button it gets confusing. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2059.91 2061.56 I think you should. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2061.03 2061.37 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2065.33 2065.87 Yeah okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2065.87 2066.26 That's true. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2066.48 2068.89 So we have a a menu button and a s 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2065.36 2066.48 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2065.36 2065.78 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2068.61 2070.55 And to, okay and back, also. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2071.44 2073.09 Yeah, or confirm and back. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2073.09 2073.44 Whatever. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2070.07 2071.44 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2070.23 2070.76 Okay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2070.76 2071.86 Okay and back button. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2072.35 2074.09 And of course the four arrows. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2074.96 2075.44 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2076.14 2076.59 No. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2076.83 2079.02 But those are still y doubly used. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2079.02 2080.09 Both the L. C. D. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2078.92 2082.13 Should we save this picture, or or you know what it looks like? 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2081.21 2085.76 Yeah I'm I'm not s clear about uh the the extra two buttons. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2085.76 2087.93 We have a menu button and 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2086.96 2087.25 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2092.29 2092.73 So 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2088.23 2092.29 That that just to to activate the screen. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2087.26 2088.23 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2089.09 2091.38 That's the the one with the yeah okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2092.31 2095.5 Menu button access the menu in the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2095.48 2100.77 And then with these buttons, woa, y you navigate. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2098.13 2099.11 You can navigate. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2100.94 2101.42 Okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2104.16 2104.78 And the volume. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2101.73 2104.16 But you can also navigate the channels. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2104.21 2107.65 Okay so that that's not uh Yeah that Those are 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2106.38 2110.09 Those are both both yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2108.8 2109.62 multifunctional. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2109.51 2114.29 Hey is it interesting for users if we put LED lights under the buttons? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2114.29 2123.37 So that if you uh press on the menu function that only the buttons that are used for the menu are ligh li light up. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2120.63 2121.04 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2122.33 2123.92 L l litten up yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2124.14 2124.56 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2125.16 2126.28 That's very good idea. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2125.64 2126.85 Oh five minutes. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2127.8 2127.94 N 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2128.94 2133.91 Yeah that's a good idea because then it becomes clear which buttons are active now, which you can use. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2127.85 2128.94 Alright. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2129.21 2130.69 Light uh 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2133.98 2138.08 Yeah and then it's also easier to integrate several functions in one button. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2138.04 2139.39 Yeah sure. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2139.39 2140.76 Okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2140.76 2141.5 Um 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2138.39 2138.83 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2139.9 2140.19 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2141.55 2142.32 So 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2142.54 2143.34 Anything else? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2152.23 2156.3 And then use the two functional buttons to confirm, to go into something? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2149.86 2152.23 Or only this to to scroll? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2149.46 2149.86 Them? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2145.55 2147.51 But just one thing. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2143.67 2145.55 Those buttons are are lit up. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2147.51 2149.46 Should we use those two? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2144.67 2145.4 I think not. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2152.25 2152.85 I've 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2157.88 2161.54 Oh no we have to use this to adjust some some bars? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2160.4 2160.84 Volume. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2160.42 2160.77 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2160.52 2167.07 Yeah keep it optional 'cause maybe you can you know go left to right and up and down in a in one menu. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2166.79 2171.1 And maybe we should use this also as an okay button, still. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2166.05 2166.79 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2171.1 2173.21 And then just only a back button. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2174.87 2177.09 Well we have those buttons. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2177.09 2177.96 We use all four. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2175.91 2176.8 No 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2176.01 2180.08 The pr the problem with the okay button in the middle is, sorry 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2180.17 2180.92 Yeah okay go ahead. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2180.46 2181.23 Yeah? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2181.59 2189.32 sorry, uh is uh if you're pressing up and down, you can easily press the okay once you, when you're not already at your choice. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2186.96 2187.54 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2188.58 2189.06 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2189.04 2194.37 So maybe make one uh one okay button and and one navigation button. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2191.89 2192.71 And one back. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2192.23 2194.34 Yeah that was already decided. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2195.81 2200.88 Yeah the with with the the channel and the volume uh yeah m a multifunctional navigation button. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2207.46 2208.94 I have to, sorry. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2208.94 2215.52 it's not because I don't like you but yh we have lunch break, and then we can work for thirty minutes 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2200.79 2203.23 Okay that's what we decided earlier on. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2204.21 2207.46 So yeah I wanna close down. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2203.23 2204.21 Right okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2220.19 2222.39 And then uh we'll see 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2215.52 2220.19 and I have to write very fast to make the minich min minutes. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2203.8 2203.94 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2202.56 2203.8 Yeah okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2202.89 2203.44 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2205.48 2207.56 You wanna close down huh? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2207.41 2207.84 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2208.69 2209.56 That's okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2208.69 2209.03 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2212.42 2213.09 Already. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2220.14 2220.56 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2223.89 2224.38 Alright. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2224.38 2225.89 How m how long is the lunchbreak? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2226.33 2226.85 I don't know. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2227.66 2229.33 We have to ask. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2227.96 2228.98 Nobody told me. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2229.06 2229.94 Okay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2234.63 2235.34 Because I 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2232.76 2234.63 Or first lunchbreak? 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2229.39 2232.76 But do we have to write uh to write down uh the our stuff now? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2234.48 2236.67 No I th believe there's first lunch break. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2236.38 2238.6 I've everything in my head now so 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2239.32 2240.32 Or you can just 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2238.28 2239.32 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2239.48 2240.02 Mm. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2241.57 2242.23 Okay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2242.23 2242.91 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2242.21 2242.42 Yeah? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2243.46 2243.67 'Kay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2245.01 2245.58 Yes. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2247.51 2247.8 'Kay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2247.96 2251.23 I think you can put uh the laptop back in the room and 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2248.17 2248.83 This is 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2250.81 2250.96 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2251.11 2251.56 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2252.02 2253.82 Yes sir. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2253.12 2254.09 Time pressure. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2254.39 2254.96 'Kay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2256.17 2257.77 Yeah it's a lot of pressure. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2258.48 2259.14 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2260.92 2264.11 Sorry for my uh not finished presentation uh. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2262.46 2263.19 That's okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2264.19 2265.34 Oh yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2264.27 2267.28 Oh no no. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2267.53 2267.67 Uh. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2264.75 2266.1 Yeah we'll kick your ass later. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2266.1 2267.53 No. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2266.02 2267.63 Bring it on. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2270.17 2272.4 I don't know if it works but it should be saved. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2270.21 2270.87 Aye 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2273.21 2275.64 Does it save automatically in the project folder? 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2275.64 2275.99 Or 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2271.44 2273.21 Y you saved it? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2276.57 2277.64 It's uh 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2275.82 2276.57 Yeah. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2280.96 2282.35 Okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2282.35 2283.06 We'll see. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2283.06 2284.55 Just put back my laptop. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2283.21 2284.21 Should be here. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2284.21 2285.08 Smart board. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2285.48 2287.34 Alright. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2287.34 2290.69 Yeah you can open it with the picture preview or stuff like that. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2285.67 2286.98 Don't know if you can use it but 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2286.01 2286.65 Okay. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2289.03 2294.96 And uh we have to make uh some maps with uh with the all the the data we uh gathered. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2294.06 2294.62 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2294.62 2296.71 I try to organise it by these three. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2297.15 2302.28 It's it's just my own map so I put everything into the 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2298.39 2301.23 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2304.55 2307.91 I just put the minutes here and we'll see. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2303.06 2304.55 I don't really mind. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2307.96 2309.94 But you got some extra information uh 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2309.63 2312.46 Yeah that's in the functional design uh folder. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2311.82 2312.36 Okay. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2313.78 2316.69 Yeah that's just basically what I just showed. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2313.06 2313.78 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2316.17 2318.14 But where do you did you get the newsflash? 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2318.1 2320.19 Yeah I got it by yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2317.73 2318.1 Yeah. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2319.04 2320.5 You're the only one uh okay. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2321.59 2322.66 internet. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2321.8 2324.31 I'm gonna get kicked if I don't do it so 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2324.25 2324.73 Okay. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2324.25 2324.81 Alright. 
TS3006b H03 MTD024ME 2325 2325.46 Alright. 
TS3006b H01 MTD023UID 2326.11 2326.39 Yeah. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2330.22 2332.44 Make me proud. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2334.44 2335.92 So first we have a lunchbreak now? 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2332.62 2334.44 I'll try to. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2336.86 2337.1 Yeah. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2337.44 2338.08 Alright. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2339.02 2339.58 I believe so. 
TS3006b H00 MTD021PM 2340.66 2343.28 just ask. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2344.83 2346.48 I dunno where she. 
TS3006b H02 MTD022ID 2343.53 2344.83 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 74.89 76.27 Hello. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 82.13 84.3 Yes, I made it. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 85.74 88.91 English from now on. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 90.35 100.17 Just kidding. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 90.38 91.64 Drawing or 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 91.53 92.51 Yeah just testing. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 92.86 93.25 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 95.66 96.15 Mm? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 98.37 99.04 English. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 102.92 103.69 So annoying. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 104.1 105.37 Break is over. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 106.41 107.48 Ooh it works. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 107.06 110.12 Whoo. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 110.12 114.61 Spicy. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 109 111.69 Spicy. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 112.4 114.7 Where are are all the other presentations? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 124.72 127.69 What or whatever does it 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 122.85 124.72 Yeah, conceptual design. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 115.86 122.85 I just put it in the in the shared folder so it should be yeah I think so. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 119.56 121.11 The conceptual or 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 124.69 126.02 Ah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 126.02 132.41 Because I see only my own presentation yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 129.18 130.84 No no no, can you go back one? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 132.07 136.44 Uh 'cause it has to be PowerPoint pre yeah components design, that's it. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 134.59 135.1 This? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 135.99 139.46 I'll just put it in there. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 138.74 139.68 So, he's coming. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 139.83 150.01 I did get a bit more done than the last time, 'cause I knew that I didn't have time so I just copy and paste everything into the 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 143.26 143.97 Or not. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 144.55 145.38 Okay. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 145.16 145.97 Oh okay. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 148.82 153.29 Ah, I can't cut and paste it into the other folder but 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 151.31 162.65 You can look at the final report, 'cause I have to record everything we are deciding and such, so I'm trying to write it down between everything else. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 151.19 151.31 She. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 149.97 151.19 Ah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 159.21 160.18 Move to meeting room. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 167.88 173.82 and also with I don't know how to use PowerPoint, so it takes me forever to get something done with it. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 162.04 167.88 Sometimes I have these pop-ups or these sounds and there's nothing there,
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 162.33 162.63 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 167.13 167.56 Oh. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 168.04 169.43 Yeah me too,. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 172.58 177.62 I I've got the same problem as well. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 175.78 176.05 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 177.87 178.8 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 178.35 178.83 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 180.45 182.84 Welcome. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 193.83 195.57 So who wants go. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 182.84 193.83 Uh we have again three presentations and then we have to decide on what concepts the mobile phone has to uh f the remote control has to support. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 178.83 180.45 Here we go again. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 182.93 183.27 Thi 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 194.13 194.49 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 197.33 201.89 Me first again or yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 202.99 204.67 Did you open it already or no. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 204.67 205.13 Ah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 195.98 197.33 Yes. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 201.89 202.99 Alright. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 196.72 197.45 Who wants to start? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 196.73 197.13 Yes? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 199.39 200.11 Doesn't matter. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 198.49 199.39 Yeah sure. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 199.24 199.69 No. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 199.69 200.13 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 198.68 199.24 Oh. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 200.13 200.92 No problem 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 204.34 204.92 No. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 208.97 209.81 Ah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 212.06 212.51 Yes. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 226.89 229.36 Um this time about trendwatching. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 223.43 226.89 So welcome to the marketing presentation once again. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 236.5 238.36 Uh it shows a number of developments. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 230.98 236.5 Uh well there has been inv investigation again, in the in the remote control market. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 238.36 241.68 Uh I will address them uh in a moment. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 241.68 247.55 Um fashion watch watchers uh have detected the trends for young public, because that's our public. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 258.23 265.93 So um the developments I will address them oh yeah well this is the fruit and vegetables looks of fresh bright colours. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 265.93 267.25 So to give you an idea. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 255.09 258.23 And the feel of the material is expected to be spongey. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 247.92 255.09 Um well fruit and vegetables will be will be the most important theme for clothing, uh shoes and furniture. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 268.37 270.56 Um well the developments? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 272.89 278.7 Uh well most important aspect for remote control happens to be a fancy look-and-feel. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 281.64 287.26 Um well fancy stands for an original look-and-feel of the case and the interface. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 278.7 281.64 Instead of the current uh functional look-and-feel. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 270.56 272.89 Uh development one. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 287.74 295.76 And the second most important aspect is that a remote control should be technological uh innovative. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 295.76 301.36 Um well it stands for the use of technical features that do not exist in current remote controls. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 301.36 308.48 I think we pretty much covered that with our screen and um and speech recognition, so I don't expect that to be a problem. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 304.74 305.5 Sound. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 306.54 307.52 Yeah yeah uh uh. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 315.37 316.04 Um 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 309.16 315.37 And the third development um is that the remote control should be easy to use. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 318.48 327.32 Well the first aspect uh was twice as important as the second aspect,w which was twice as important as the third aspect. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 327.32 330.67 So um that kind of gets you this ratios. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 330.67 335.77 So fancy look-and-feel uh is the most important uh point of attention. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 327.68 327.92 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 336.17 340.16 Uh so the fruits and vegetables in combination with the spongey material. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 357.88 360.43 So that was the marketing uh presentation. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 353.36 357.88 That this will be a crux. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 340.16 345.1 Um well technolog technological innovation, we've covered that pretty much I guess. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 348.96 353.36 So my point of attention is especially this part. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 360.43 362.65 I had only one document left. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 345.1 348.96 Um and easy to use, I don't think that will be problem. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 353.65 354.29 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 362.09 363.6 And shall I go first? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 363.6 364.35 So I 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 365.91 366.34 That's 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 363.97 365.91 I I don't mi I don't mind. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 363.63 363.97 No. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 363.39 363.63 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 366.5 367.87 So kind of this 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 369.36 369.55 No. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 366.99 369.36 Yeah yeah sure. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 367.55 367.8 Yeah? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 368.39 369.79 Okay. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 367.57 368.39 Do you want to go first? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 369.79 370.02 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 379.93 382.18 Just made a quick design. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 370.97 372.82 Kind of this this look. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 372.82 379.93 Uh nothing about the buttons but just sponge kind of thing, and and some fruit and colours I dunno. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 368.46 370.97 So a k a small example. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 374.98 375.39 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 382.98 383.36 Cool. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 384.16 386.33 It's better than than my uh drawing. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 384.5 384.95 Alright. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 384.53 388.64 Yeah you're just the user interface hmm? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 384.84 385.33 Alright. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 389.14 391.36 Yeah okay but I have to design the 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 389.23 391.34 Uh components. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 391.6 392.52 Yeah layout. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 392.84 393.06 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 395.04 395.45 Oh no. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 395.42 396.15 Yeah okay. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 395.75 396.31 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 396.31 396.85 It's okay. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 396.89 398.11 You probably opened it. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 399.7 400.41 Um 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 398.98 399.7 Yeah true. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 400.38 400.93 F. five. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 401.15 401.89 F. five. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 416.63 426.27 And I used uh possibilities from our manufacturing department about current components which will have to be implemented in the design. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 426.27 428.4 That's why I had to, wanted to go first. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 404.95 408.83 So I'm dealing with the components design. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 410.73 416.63 I uh used some design examples we had uh from similar products. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 403.97 404.95 Alright. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 408.83 410.73 Um let's see. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 446.22 453.42 But it comes down to what you uh what you think we should do with the spongey and the fruity looking uh type. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 432.97 437.93 We're f mainly focusing on this group, but I want to make the distinction clear. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 428.84 432.97 Well they gave me um an idea about what people want. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 437.93 446.22 Uh I could not drag the pictures into the the slides so s so I don't have examples of how it looks like. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 460.16 467.05 you can and shapes that are curved and not uh solid straight lines anymore. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 453.5 460.16 If you, the young dynamic people want soft primary colours uh, which looks like fruits you know 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 467.05 473.13 So this basically um yeah goes on to what you were mentioning earlier. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 481.75 484.25 Uh for example the energy source. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 485.37 487.32 The basic battery. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 473.51 478.95 There is a lot of um factors involved in choosing the components. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 493.79 499.49 Uh the kinetic provision of energy which means if you move the thing, if you shake it. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 499.49 503.13 Which will be fun for toddlers right, if they wanna use the 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 487.32 493.79 Uh we have a hand dynamo, which we yeah we Dutch refer to it as the kneipgatt. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 484.25 485.37 we have four types. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 478.95 481.75 There's a lot of options that we have to discuss. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 491.99 492.6 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 501.82 502.17 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 505.45 510.18 But I dunno how we would use that into the design of the actual product. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 510.18 519.2 So uh my yeah also also in you know countries where there's n isn't much light like in Scandinavia 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 503.49 505.45 And uh of course solar cells. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 519.2 521.75 they wouldn't be y able to use it half of the year you know. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 521.75 522.8 So that's not cool either. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 511.43 511.54 Oh. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 508.44 511.43 Wi an indoors. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 511.55 512.24 Yeah okay. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 513.17 514.2 Calculator's can do it. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 520.76 522.47 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 520.85 521.36 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 522.01 522.48 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 523.44 530.16 So um for the uh a case, there's uh the traditional uncurved flat hard case. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 535.75 540 Um I wasn't able to finish my uh personal preferences sheet 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 540 547.3 but well you know that we will have to go for the double curved 'cause it's daring and different from what we have now. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 530.16 534.07 Single curved, which means that it has uh curves in one dimension. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 534.07 535.75 Or the double curved. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 547.49 548.16 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 547.84 549.62 Uh the case materials. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 549.62 556.61 Well we have all kinds of hard uh materials like the the hard plastic, the wood and the titanium. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 556.61 562.26 I would definitely go for rubber 'cause it fits most in what people wanna see nowadays. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 562.55 563.11 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 574.17 577.16 Uh we can use a scroll buttons for the menus,
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 563.16 565.76 Um poo, this is a lot of text. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 565.76 567.9 I wasn't able to organise this yet. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 577.16 584.55 but we already kind of decided to go for the f for the pushbuttons, for the the arrow buttons. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 584.55 586.41 So that's not really interesting. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 567.9 574.17 We have yeah several uh interface designs. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 581.63 582.03 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 579.16 579.8 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 579.8 581.63 Pushbuttons. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 584.84 585.52 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 586.83 588.91 Electronics? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 588.91 596.92 Yeah, maybe we wanna decide on what electronics to use the advanced chip I think 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 598.15 605.04 is easiest to implement uh for the production, 'cause they they can print it better. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 605.04 606.22 Um 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 623.59 631.36 But I really think that we should maybe uh think about the kinetic energy, where you have to move the thing to be able to use it. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 616.94 623.59 I first uh chose for the battery, 'cause yeah I'm traditional and that's the most obvious, easiest choice to go to. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 613.27 616.94 Yeah I was working on some per personal preferences. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 609.37 611.1 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 611.1 613.27 I think this is about it. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 629.61 630.47 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 630.47 632.22 As an optional uh feature. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 628.17 629.61 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 630.14 630.5 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 630.53 631.08 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 633.33 635.92 Or combine uh both with a with one uh 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 636.33 638.04 I guess we can only choose one. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 636.35 640.68 Uh I think you can only fit one uh source of energy on the 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 636.69 637.5 Yeah maybe we 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 639.91 640.49 Okay. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 640.28 645.92 I can imagine that the kinetic uh type energy source would be more expensive to make. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 645.92 651.05 But it is more longlasting, that the people don't have to ever buy batteries again. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 650.88 651.44 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 651.44 652.38 And it's more fun. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 651.07 654.46 Yeah I didn't receive any info uh. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 653.85 657.13 I always chuck my uh remote control around, so 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 652.64 653.85 And it's also more fun yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 655.82 661.28 Yeah, just playing with it and especially when the material's rubber. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 661.28 665.76 It can be done, I mean, you can't harm it, so it's a perfect combination I guess. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 657.59 657.93 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 661.5 663.23 S yeah it's safe. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 662.89 665.44 And throw it. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 670.08 672.48 So that's the end of it. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 665.22 670.08 You don't have to be scared about bouncing it off the g floor and breaking it or whatever. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 663.28 665.22 Yeah y exactly. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 668.95 669.44 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 669.85 670.44 Okay. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 672.9 673.51 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 673.43 674.13 So 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 674.7 675.68 Uh go ahead. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 675.02 676.04 'Kay next. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 677.42 681.27 So double curved is like this, this, this, or 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 698.73 699.1 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 680.79 683.35 No it means curved in two dimensions. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 683.35 686.02 So uh w single curved? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 691.51 696.87 And double curved would means that it would have curves curves in every direction. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 696.87 698.73 Like three D. . 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 686.02 691.51 Uh let's say would be a b square box, but then with curves on one dimension. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 688.96 689.32 Mm. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 691.42 692.03 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 694.64 696.63 Also in in height? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 696.63 697.29 Yeah okay. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 695.34 695.68 Uh 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 697.82 698.57 Can we uh 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 697.18 697.82 Okay. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 706.43 707.03 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 697.53 698.39 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 704.44 706.43 We were going to use that. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 698.39 704.44 One one uh very important thing I was uh yeah thinking about is the speech uh option. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 707.03 708.47 So um 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 706.11 706.51 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 709.54 718.66 Yeah um yeah that's one thing uh which I'm not sure uh of how to implement it uh into the remote control. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 717.43 717.87 Design? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 717.84 722.84 Well the visual representation is not there with speech but you can 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 720.97 725.15 No okay but it has to be combined with with the menu uh for functions and 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 726.32 727.6 Just yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 735.72 739.15 So I don't think you have to design anything else for that. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 725.09 726.32 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 727.6 735.72 I think you can just uh match the speech commands with the functions that are already present. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 726.21 726.91 So okay. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 733.78 734.05 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 735.64 736.07 Okay. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 736.01 737.2 Yeah with the programme. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 751.16 757.13 Everybody says it so that's what's uh yeah um 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 745.88 747.06 Okay. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 737.62 743.72 But do uh j do we uh do the speech just for the basic options, for the simple buttons? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 747.06 751.16 Uh we have this very uh basic uh trendy design. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 743.72 745.88 For for everything, also for the advanced options? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 742.76 743.28 Both. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 744.97 745.33 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 765.5 765.9 That's 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 758.15 765.5 Yeah in the in the last uh meeting we uh we were yeah putting the the simple and the advanced options separated. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 766.95 768.86 yeah obvious. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 770.15 776.03 Pressing the the menu option uh will disable uh all other options on your uh remote control. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 768.86 770.15 Um yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 777.27 784.83 And only the the L. C. D. panel will uh light up and then you can only uh change the yeah the options. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 784 787.54 And and the and the buttons that you need to control it, I guess. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 785.81 786.14 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 786.28 786.69 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 797.31 801.22 you have to uh delete this but this is the the the simple uh layout. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 788.07 797.31 Um yeah design has to be very attractive but that's your your op your yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 801.22 810.03 Uh display on the upper side with the the menu button and maybe a some sort of cancel button or save button. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 810.03 810.67 I'm 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 799.03 799.55 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 809.97 811.05 That would be the back. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 811.52 811.92 The back. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 811.62 812.85 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 812.85 813.55 Back and okay. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 812.02 812.9 Back and okay. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 813.05 814.83 Back and okay yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 814.83 815.51 Uh 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 817.45 819.95 You did read the minutes I wrote? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 814.94 817.45 You did read the minutes I wrote? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 817.06 817.28 What? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 820.72 823 A little bit I think but not not everything w 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 821.14 821.72 I 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 822.34 826.14 Oh okay 'cause I pretty much summed up all the buttons there were. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 826.14 826.67 So 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 825.72 826.64 Okay. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 826.64 829.35 Oh I uh didn't read that. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 829.35 829.72 But 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 829.01 830.61 I hate doing work for nothing. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 830.73 837.26 But this is the the basic uh design uh for the for the m yeah for the buttons. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 838.64 839.39 Um 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 860.51 869.42 And uh if there are older people they wanted more uh yeah more uh luxurous so that's an a also an option. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 855.18 860.51 So you can uh yeah change uh m make it more trendy for for younger people. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 842.85 850.37 Uh with a speech display uh yeah, sound, everything you you noted in your uh minutes. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 850.37 855.18 Um every pushbutton has uh has its own uh LED light. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 840.53 842.85 I wanted to to categorise everything. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 855.26 855.74 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 870.92 872.73 Um that was it. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 875.58 876.15 Okay. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 872.44 875.58 That was it? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 876.15 877 Uh 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 874.17 875.07 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 880.03 881.92 again. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 881.92 882 Ugh. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 919.83 920.33 So 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 900.3 903.52 Uh energy source, chip type, case type. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 916.84 919.83 Uh the case would be doubly curved. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 895.31 900.3 Okay so what we have to decide is what kind of components do we use? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 903.52 905.86 And user interface. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 905.86 911.1 But I didn't see a clear distinction between these so I think what we have is okay. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 911.1 916.84 So we only, we already decided that kinetic would be the choice for energy. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 916.24 916.52 No. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 919.66 920.87 Rubber material. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 920.66 921.81 Rubber material. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 920 920.66 And rubber. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 920.98 922.79 Rubber material. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 922.79 926.19 And that's the only thing we have left. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 926.48 933.58 Yeah we need the the chip on print to be able to support the the screen and uh and f audio function. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 931.76 932.98 No it's easy. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 931.32 931.76 Oh okay. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 933.37 937.17 So that's uh is that is that the advanced chip? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 938.37 941.59 Otherwise you would have a simple chip, just for pressing buttons. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 937.62 938.37 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 941.59 942.65 But we need more. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 936.51 937.62 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 937.27 938.48 Advanced chip. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 938.48 939.02 Okay. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 938.36 938.82 Wow. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 941.04 941.65 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 942.89 943.95 Alright. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 945.24 946.12 Double curved. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 943.95 945.24 Kinetic. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 944 950.06 I'm just thinking, this is not my department, but I I'm not sure what this is gonna cost, to be able to m 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 944.65 945.26 Too. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 949.82 951.76 Uh I didn't get any info on this. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 951.76 952.25 So 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 955.07 956.29 That's gonna be difficult huh? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 952.14 955.07 So 'cause we need to sell it for twenty five Euro a piece. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 954.62 955.05 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 954.83 956.42 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 957 961.04 The cost of making it should be twelve and a half? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 960.29 961.55 I have total here. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 960.79 961.17 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 963.95 964.67 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 964.12 964.83 Yeah I don't know. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 964.83 967.26 I didn't get any information about that so 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 966.55 969.26 We're going to produce it in uh China so it's no problem. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 969.54 970 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 969.58 971.58 Child labour man, we love it. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 971.27 973.17 Yeah, so it's cheap. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 975.36 976.29 Is there a new thing? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 974.17 975.36 Uh let's see. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 972.72 974.17 Who doesn't. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 976.13 979.41 Um well the interface type supplements. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 978.45 980.31 Yeah the interface, maybe can 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 980.9 987.95 Uh it's it's quite difficult because we we haven't got all the options uh yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 981.75 982.06 Ooh. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 987.49 991.44 Uh do you have a picture of doubly curved case? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 986.72 987.49 No. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 992.27 994.48 And could you put that in the group folder? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 994.48 995.49 Of the project folder. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 994.37 996.31 Um let me see. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 996.31 996.89 Wait a sec. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 996.78 999.06 If you go to your homepage or something, you should 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 998.79 1001.03 Yeah I'm going there now. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1000.81 1002.23 get your own information. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1002.66 1003.62 Inspiration. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1006.15 1010.76 I got my fresh and fyoo fruity uh picture uh also uh over there, so 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1013.32 1013.99 Ah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1007.22 1013.32 Ah you didn't draw it yourself. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1009.79 1010.49 Well 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1011.74 1014.14 No. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1014.14 1015.02 Too less time. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1018.1 1020.43 Um yeah maybe it's 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1019.34 1020.8 Yeah, also the menu. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1020.8 1022.3 Yeah that that w 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1021.51 1025.47 This is the the menu I was uh looking uh at. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1021.06 1021.51 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1023.44 1024.45 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1024.45 1029.08 Yeah I was thinking of that also, with with a with a uh arrow. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1029.08 1032.65 So that indicates that there's an menu under that menu. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1024.75 1026.08 Maybe it's easier 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1026.8 1027.24 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1029.14 1029.49 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1027.6 1029.14 Arrow. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1028.08 1028.95 Arrow yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1033.04 1033.88 Yeah perfect. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1032.39 1033.04 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1034.19 1034.87 So 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1034.2 1034.36 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1049.07 1052.33 But this m is more appealing to old people and we don't want that. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1047.26 1049.07 It's like really basic. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1036.96 1038.89 Maybe it's easier if you guys come over here. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1038.89 1047.26 S see this is the the the standard traditional type, where the form uh yeah serves the function, you know. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1037.16 1038.32 'S the target group. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1038.26 1038.68 S yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1039.07 1039.64 Oh yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1039.17 1041.42 Yeah sure. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1051.7 1054.89 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1051.7 1052.09 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1062.48 1066.72 It has to be kind of instead of the PlayStation, the module. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1054.25 1058.17 And th that means curved in both dire dire uh dimensions. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1066.72 1074 It has to be like the the Game Cube, you know, where your thumbs would be laying in the instrument and it has to be nice to hold. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1058.17 1062.48 Not only like this but it has to be exactly. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1074 1074.52 And 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1052.84 1054.25 This is what we're looking for. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1057.81 1058.6 Oh okay. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1060.57 1061.58 So you can hold it. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1059.38 1060.57 Yeah also like this. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1058.6 1059.38 I see. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1068.94 1069.34 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1072.77 1078.43 But it has also to it it has also to be uh luxurous uh for for yeah rich people. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1079.29 1082.76 Th this looks a little bit like like for only for children. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1082.76 1083.41 So 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1079.33 1079.79 It ha 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1082.22 1082.8 Yeah I've got it. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1081.09 1082.22 The children's story. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1087.58 1095.18 'cause we wanna appeal to the to the young public with fancy with flashy colours, and with a lot of shape. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1095.18 1095.64 And 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1082.46 1087.58 Yeah but that's that's the the problem uh yeah the dilemma actually,
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1084.07 1084.95 Distinction. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1084.95 1085.29 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1096.69 1101.49 Yeah, and the and the rubber, it it will look cheap always, you know, with the 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1096.71 1097.63 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1097.63 1098.46 The colour 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1100.33 1106.22 Okay but the the colours, you you can make it uh make the colours with LEDs uh beneath the the buttons. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1100.07 1100.33 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1106.22 1111.53 If you press a button and you can disable the the colour LEDs for for people that don't like it. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1106.39 1106.7 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1112.03 1112.67 Mm. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1129.08 1138.22 or more uh design, they can go for one colour like uh for example this uh photo th camera. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1116.83 1119.68 Maybe we should consider this function. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1119.68 1129.08 To customise it and so I mean kids can make it look more flashy with different kinds of colours and people who want something, you know, different,
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1112.56 1116.83 There is mobile phones, in which you can change the colour also of the lights. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1116.3 1116.85 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1119.3 1119.56 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1124.99 1125.32 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1127.83 1128.44 Different. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1131.52 1131.99 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1137.03 1137.5 Camera. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1140.57 1143.79 S underwater uh yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1140.14 1140.57 Cool. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1138.35 1140.14 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1141.72 1143.19 Yeah submarine. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1144.51 1146.15 Personally I think it's really ugly. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1146.32 1148.3 Well 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1146.56 1146.83 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1153.47 1154.04 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1147.43 1153.47 Just give me the thing that it's inside there maybe I'm too old for this stuff. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1150.04 1150.57 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1150.2 1152.14 Very cheap uh cheap look. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1150.27 1153.19 Yeah but this this the is for the. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1155.18 1155.5 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1155.7 1156.28 Okay. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1156.88 1158.92 So those I think are all my oh. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1157.19 1158.06 Uh 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1159.18 1160.41 Ah yeah bright colours. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1160.47 1160.98 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1160.98 1162.71 Also a kind of rubber uh 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1161.31 1164.41 And this is, this is with the curved that I mean. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1164.53 1164.95 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1165.29 1166.33 That's singly curved. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1166.75 1167.57 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1167.57 1167.7 Yeah? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1167.35 1167.81 Okay. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1168.11 1169.15 That should be nice. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1171.77 1175.05 But I don't know if it's worth the effort. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1168.93 1171.77 Well we could make a compromise between that. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1176.01 1177.36 A compromise between what? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1177.58 1181.08 Uh instead of doubly curved we take a single curved. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1182.29 1185.03 So to appeal a little more to the all the public. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1182.74 1183.15 So s 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1183.35 1186.26 This, this would be uh single curved uh? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1186.28 1186.51 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1189.49 1189.83 Like this. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1191.9 1195.99 Yeah so we keep it singly c single curved then? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1186.45 1189.49 Yeah there's only in in this dimension. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1189.83 1191.9 So curvy or not. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1188.65 1188.94 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1189.75 1190.11 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1191.86 1192.46 Also. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1193.53 1194.1 Exactly. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1192.83 1193.53 Exactly. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1191.9 1192.83 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1196.99 1198.26 I don't know what you think. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1195.94 1196.99 Yeah that would be an option. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1198.59 1198.93 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1198.88 1203.49 I think the I mean our aim is to make something different right? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1219.11 1221.25 Well this is really your decision but 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1205.19 1207.91 I would go for the double curved. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1216.59 1219.11 So it kind of holds nicely, something like that. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1203.49 1205.19 To make something new. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1207.91 1216.59 And I I'm I'm thinking uh you know uh a drawing palette, where you have the shape for your thumb. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1203.77 1204.16 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1205.03 1205.3 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1206.78 1207.08 Okay. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1208.11 1208.95 Yeah I'd agree. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1213.91 1214.35 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1225.46 1233 you you you are not only um yeah you don't need one dimension but you can use other dimensions for pressing the the buttons. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1223.36 1225.46 If you have uh it have it in your hand 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1218.33 1223.36 Yeah but if you if you make it more curved we we can make more and more options for buttons. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1218.63 1219.19 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1233.85 1234.61 As well. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1233.58 1233.85 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1234.61 1237.15 You can make a trigger button or something like that. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1235.75 1236.07 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1236.88 1239.44 Something to shoot at your television 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1246.32 1251.84 That would be a nice way to use it but I mean, yeah, I'm thinking big already 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1239.18 1246.32 Yeah or that that is the confirmation button or something, that you scroll with your thumb, with the arrows, and then confirm. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1251.84 1258.5 and we need something that well that that you can able to use in one hand I think. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1241.64 1241.99 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1241.92 1242.16 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1244.74 1245.65 That's yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1246.22 1246.69 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1253.34 1253.71 Different. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1255.49 1256.23 Stands out. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1257.33 1257.82 Or 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1258.28 1260.22 Oh yeah a one hand uh solution. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1259.64 1260.19 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1259.88 1264.13 So from top view it looks kinda like this. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1269.58 1272.55 Maybe because the the screen is on top you can have 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1264.13 1269.58 But from the side you you can have it also in a kind of shape. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1274.75 1275.63 If you turn it a little. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1271.79 1274.75 To switch from buttons to interface hmm. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1269.59 1271.79 can turn it maybe. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1279.2 1281.16 A little upwards. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1276.88 1279.2 Maybe you can c have this kind of shape. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1281.16 1282.49 So that the screen is more 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1283.56 1285.3 Least you can easily see it. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1283.08 1283.56 Oh yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1283.76 1286.58 towards yourself, so you can easily see your screen. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1286.58 1291.55 Well well you have it in your hand so it's a kind of an angle from your eyes to the screen. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1295.08 1299.52 So this this is so the screen is positioned over here. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1291.55 1295.08 So then you have double double curved in some way. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1286.48 1287.53 How about 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1296.5 1297.08 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1301.56 1303.21 Something like that. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1303.21 1306.9 And the buttons are more, well it's very thick now but 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1300.95 1301.56 Oh. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1307.17 1308.7 Yeah I understand what you mean. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1308.9 1311.55 That's uh that's 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1310.54 1316.02 How about we do a uh a pop-up screen, like the laptop. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1316.02 1320.25 So that the only the simple functions will be visible at first. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1320.25 1322.03 And then if you want 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1315.98 1317.17 If you can uh flip. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1322.95 1323.39 Or 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1319.75 1320.09 Yeah? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1320.09 1322.95 That that you can press it and then it comes up? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1323.07 1327.65 Uh so you have a the the side view. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1323.41 1324.35 Something like that. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1323.11 1323.41 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1328.38 1330.44 But then the side view can be straight. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1334.2 1335.64 I mean maybe it's too much 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1330.44 1331.8 If you have a pop-up screen. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1331.8 1334.2 But I dunno if that's too expensive. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1333.77 1335.89 So and you want to be able to 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1334.24 1334.92 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1338.91 1339.58 make this 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1340.8 1344.91 No uh like I would draw it like this. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1355.34 1356.37 If you know what I mean. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1346.9 1349.32 Let's say this is the side view. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1349.32 1355.34 That you have a a screen that will come up here, and can go down that way. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1356.37 1357.96 So that it would come up like that. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1357.01 1357.59 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1356.33 1357.01 Okay. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1358.59 1363.2 Okay so the buttons are on top here, and you flip it over that way. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1362.45 1370.86 Yeah or preferably even keep the simple buttons here, and then under the screen even you could put more more advanced buttons. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1366.51 1367.16 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1368.61 1370.46 Oh the advanced buttons. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1370.46 1371.18 Right. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1368.67 1369.54 Oh yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1369.54 1371.31 Yeah yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1371.65 1372.79 Yeah that's good idea. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1371.31 1371.65 Right. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1371.52 1375.71 That's the the more advanced options were uh for the for the menu. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1372.29 1372.6 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1376 1376.38 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1376.31 1376.7 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1377.11 1379.72 But you you want okay. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1379.72 1381.45 You just want to hide them all? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1381.45 1382.6 The oh. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1377.38 1379.99 F for the L. C. D. menu right? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1379.99 1383.39 So w w 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1379.41 1379.95 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1381.59 1381.91 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1385.89 1388.54 But you can hide the okay and the back uh button. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1381.6 1385.89 No not all because you need most of them, the arrow buttons. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1388.54 1397.84 And the menu button also because when you flip it open and you can maybe even drop the menu button because maybe if you flip it open it will auto activate amauto uh uh automatically. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1387.67 1388.57 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1390.01 1391.69 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1395.8 1396.32 Oh 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1398.14 1399.88 Activate and th the yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1399.77 1406.1 So okay b but you have t you need some button to flip this open. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1405.08 1405.49 Why? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1405.49 1407.66 You could just make it mechanical. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1405.63 1406.56 True. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1406.56 1407.37 True. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1409.72 1412.05 You know a simple uh with a 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1407.37 1409.72 But you can make a, yeah, you can make a trigger here. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1409.75 1410.95 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1410.95 1416.14 Yeah and it says menu and it flips open and then you have the buttons to control it, in combination with your 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1413.31 1415.15 That's but it's it's not 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1415.15 1417.07 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1417.07 1417.67 Exactly. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1416.26 1422.04 it's not very uh very strong uh yeah if you drop it one time. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1420.93 1422.89 It uh c it can go open. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1420.71 1420.93 True. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1421.96 1430.95 Well yeah the the idea of it was, is that because you close it, you cover the L. C. D. screen and it won't be vulnerable to scratches or whatever. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1423.6 1425.05 If you cover it with rubber. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1430.49 1436.16 An adv an adv and it will be covered in some kind of uh thin rubber layer or something like that. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1430.73 1431.4 Okay. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1430.88 1431.43 Mm. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1431.87 1432.38 And 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1436.58 1440.22 We just have to make sure that the closing mechanism won't break. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1435.37 1436.09 Exactly. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1436.09 1436.58 Exactly. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1440.22 1441.76 Th it's very solid yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1436.01 1437.11 So it can bounce. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1435.43 1436.01 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1437.25 1438.48 Yeah, uh 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1441.48 1441.89 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1438.97 1441.48 It's very no it's very strong. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1441.47 1443.24 Yeah okay so that that may work. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1443.27 1447.02 That actually will offer some extra protection for the 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1444.94 1449.17 Okay but then we still have the the the thing of the the the shape. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1450.57 1454.35 Yeah I was thinking, if if you have your hand, it this is your th 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1449.85 1450.57 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1450.24 1450.63 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1450.63 1451.52 What kind of 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1455.2 1455.64 Harder. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1456.26 1459.52 Yeah the lower part doesn't work I guess, so maybe you should try it over there. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1459.28 1460.91 Okay. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1460.91 1464.1 If this is your thumb, and this is your hand like that. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1465.73 1467.9 With your uh wrist. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1472.55 1476.33 So it's easier to hold in your hand, to y f 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1467.9 1472.55 That you, that it would be kind of shape like this, you know. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1475.32 1478.19 But when you are left-handed, that's that's a problem. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1475.74 1476.23 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1478.13 1478.91 Uh yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1479.92 1484.03 Yeah then w then you would have to to make it like this. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1478.91 1479.92 Yeah of course. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1484.03 1485.93 Like like you drew here. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1480.1 1481.74 Maybe can design two versions. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1481.86 1482.31 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1482.6 1485.02 But that's that's very expensive uh 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1486.24 1486.65 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1487.17 1491.22 And maybe th then make this thicker also than the centre. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1491.22 1494.49 Give it I would give it a female shape but uh yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1494.49 1494.94 Anyway. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1494.5 1494.91 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1492.32 1494.5 And ergonomical shape. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1491.47 1492.32 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1494.07 1494.54 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1494.59 1495.45 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1495.74 1496.77 The female shape yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1496.77 1502.98 With two uh 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1497.5 1500.15 Obviously. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1500.15 1501.71 Make it more appealing to guys. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1497.64 1498.28 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1499.16 1507.95 We we could make some some rubber uh some rubber uh yeah mouse, with which you can change uh and so if you 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1503.24 1503.86 I mean 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1506.63 1509.37 Some uh k esk uh yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1505.97 1506.63 Oh yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1509.74 1510.51 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1512.52 1513.89 I mean, we have to make 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1510.38 1512.52 Yeah but but that's optional for later I guess. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1512.55 1513.18 Okay. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1512.57 1512.95 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1513.43 1518.91 Yeah but we have hardware inside, which is so it has to have some sort of basic shape. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1517.9 1518.96 Some yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1518.88 1521.13 Yeah we we better so choose one 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1519.18 1520.04 Yeah yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1520.07 1521.97 And also the screen, you cannot mould it. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1521.97 1523.16 You know kind of thing. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1521.98 1523.76 No no no no. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1531.89 1537.27 you you can you can use, yeah, you can use the button option 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1522.56 1526.41 Yeah so okay we should better choose one sh one shape. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1526.41 1531.89 But that's the kind of the idea, so it lays good in the hand, and then on on the side with with your thumb,
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1525.86 1526.26 Okay. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1525.96 1526.46 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1527.88 1530.19 And then you can 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1530.94 1533.74 You can place the screen here, which can come. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1534.15 1535.8 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1535.8 1540.18 So the keywords are primary co colours, spongey? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1538.32 1539.88 And but then I w I would 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1540.58 1541.16 Spongey. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1541.14 1543.28 I would do the arrows here, kind of thing. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1543.58 1545.62 Spongey can be reached by means of 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1545.45 1547.56 And the simple buttons here, so that 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1544.46 1545.45 Those buttons? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1548.64 1551.31 And and the and the control thngs in the middle? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1547.03 1548.64 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1551.31 1553.56 The the the arrows? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1547.34 1547.68 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1547.49 1547.84 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1552.1 1554.33 I Uh y eah that's what I mean. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1554.33 1558.08 The arrows over here, and here the s simple uh 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1553.71 1555.44 No the arrow's over here. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1555.44 1555.91 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1554.43 1554.8 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1555.4 1557.03 Yeah and then numbers. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1556.41 1557.06 Buttons. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1562.99 1565.25 It's cool. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1559.59 1562.99 I think that uh it's a nice design. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1558.03 1559.59 Okay. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1558.03 1558.56 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1558.56 1559.11 Alright. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1562.75 1564.96 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1560.45 1562.75 Uh pretty nice design. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1564.96 1566.87 Yeah it looks uh pretty fancy. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1566.97 1567.24 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1568.09 1571.75 or do we wanna make its shape look like a banana or something? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1571.75 1572.31 I dunno. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1572.75 1574.83 Yeah that's 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1574.19 1585.49 Uh bananas wierd shape and other fruits also, so it's better to have um some sort of basic print and then a fruit print in some primary uh colours. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1588.24 1591.18 Like some soft green or something? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1591.18 1592.74 Or and then 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1585.49 1588.24 I don't know what what colours should the basic print be like? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1577.77 1578.27 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1585.42 1586.38 Yeah we could make 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1589.44 1590.77 Orange or something. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1592.53 1593.6 Dark blue or 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1591.73 1592.53 Or blue? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1593.66 1599.35 Oh yeah yeah, dark blue and then and then very bright, uh a yellow banana, an orange,
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1604.9 1605.99 So you have something like 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1599.35 1604.9 uh a green apple, stuff like that, with very uh bright tones I guess. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1594.79 1595.77 We should use 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1597.12 1597.61 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1604.47 1604.81 Mm. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1604.74 1608.43 Yeah w we need very primary colours, like bright red, bright yellow. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1606.87 1607.29 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1606.95 1607.32 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1614.91 1616.76 If you we uh yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1616.76 1622.9 If you make it uh just a yeah bl give it a blue colour, then it's just a neutral colour 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1608.03 1614.91 Yeah but the primary colours w we can uh create with the with the LEDs on the on the remote control. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1622.9 1626.3 also for the for the more uh yeah for the people. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1613.68 1614.39 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1614.39 1615.28 Yeah okay yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1626.14 1627.05 Mm. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1628.3 1630.24 To draw, I guess. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1627.05 1628.3 That doesn't really work. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1626.61 1628.46 Huh cool. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1628.46 1629.69 No it's 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1632.33 1633.13 What's this? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1631.72 1632.33 Oh. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1632.46 1633.23 Yeah it's text. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1634.49 1634.83 Right. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1636.82 1638.48 N no you have to exit. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1637 1637.47 Hm. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1639.65 1644.92 You could also make line with uh Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1640.73 1641.87 So that's 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1643.16 1644.37 Two hours further. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1642.46 1643.16 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1645.26 1647.35 thickness. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1647.35 1647.59 Oh. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1648.95 1650.06 So that's blue. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1651.91 1653.59 Wh why not go for the twenty? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1651.58 1651.91 Oh. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1654.2 1654.47 Mm. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1655.57 1656.44 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1655.59 1657.39 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1659.16 1662.57 So that's that's a dark blue basic colour I guess. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1662.57 1663.49 It's pretty nice. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1657.39 1659.16 That's what I call painting. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1656.19 1656.62 Mm. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1657.46 1657.57 Y 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1661.24 1661.79 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1661.96 1663.64 Yeah and then on top of that. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1664.56 1665.31 And then uh 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1666.41 1667.03 Oh 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1668.08 1669.22 Some yellow. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1668.37 1671.03 Yeah with some some yellow banana 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1670.86 1671.72 Banana colour. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1672.37 1674.59 Like. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1675.98 1680.44 Like you have on the Samsung, well I don't like to call brands phones 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1672.38 1675.98 And how about some uh some flashing standby lights? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1680.44 1687.92 the you know that 'cause I remember from one of our first meetings that uh people lose their uh remote controls often. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1687.48 1687.91 Yeah? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1688.33 1698.86 So it not not only in in the colours of the LEDs, that we want something to keep it visible at all times, or 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1699.43 1700.02 How do you mean? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1701.86 1702.44 Um 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1701.96 1705.51 Yeah if you if flashing colour so you can't lose it, basically. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1702.17 1702.8 Some some 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1702.57 1703.11 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1705.02 1705.59 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1705.59 1706.28 Exactly. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1706.94 1708.84 Well I think it's a bit too much but 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1707.22 1708.02 Maybe a 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1709.32 1709.61 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1711.19 1718.1 Well alright well this is more like purple I guess, but it's should be more real dark blue 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1718.1 1721.76 so the contrast with the with the fruit objects is uh pretty high. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1709.85 1711.19 Yeah an orange. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1712.99 1713.13 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1715.11 1715.68 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1721.16 1721.35 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1721.93 1722.37 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1723.08 1723.99 So uh yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1723.99 1727.34 That would be a nice uh nice device I guess. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1726.59 1729.63 And which which colour should uh should I give the the display? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1729.63 1730.03 Uh 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1731.1 1731.71 Or 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1731.32 1731.73 Who? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1751.14 1753.25 But blue, blue's okay. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1753.25 1753.73 J 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1732.77 1735.22 I mean, the the colour of the background of the display? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1744.55 1749.41 So just just a a blue blue backlight or something like that. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1749.41 1751.14 Green is too old-fashioned. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1735.22 1744.55 Ah well I don't guess it s has to be a sixty uh sixty six five thousand uh colour, so yeah too expensive. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1734.97 1735.26 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1734.44 1734.97 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1737.75 1739.75 And then you can use yellow or semething. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1742 1742.84 Why not? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1744.52 1744.99 Aye. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1744.86 1745.1 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1747.34 1748.29 Mm. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1748.29 1748.67 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1752.56 1758.83 As long as you loo use uh high contrast between the the background and the foreground colour. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1758.83 1760.68 So that people with uh with 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1758.36 1761.55 Yeah maybe a maybe a white a white backlight? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1759.01 1759.67 Like this. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1762.36 1763.61 White backlight, and dark. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1764.24 1766.05 Dark uh letters, yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1773.18 1775.09 I mean it's hard to tell uh I dunno. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1768.81 1773.18 I know you sh you should test it under uh under a light conditions. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1765.72 1766.97 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1766.97 1768.81 Whatever which is visible. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1768.6 1768.86 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1773.73 1773.99 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1774.14 1777.38 And also for people who are a bit colourblind. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1776.53 1777.57 Colourblind yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1777.94 1778.69 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1778.69 1779.43 True. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1778.7 1781.05 No so that's mostly red and green I believe. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1781.4 1784.29 Which which uh colour should the buttons be? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1785.52 1786.58 That's adjustable. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1787.75 1788.25 Woah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1789.12 1789.94 Why adjustable? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1789.21 1790.42 All all buttons? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1791.49 1792.18 Or not. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1790.55 1791.49 Yeah? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1791.51 1792.24 Okay. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1791.51 1792.5 No uh 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1793.73 1796.09 That's how we are going to make it uh more trendy. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1797.42 1799.57 Or is it uh too expensive? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1797.56 1803.01 But maybe I mean they have to they have to have some colour right? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1803.01 1805.67 And if the background is very dark blue 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1799.81 1801.97 It's difficult. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1804.38 1804.89 Blue. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1805.98 1806.73 Maybe green. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1810.93 1813.84 So th the total of the thing is very bright? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1806.96 1810.93 But don't we wanna make the background the the bright colo colours? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1815.49 1819.91 Those things were all like like bright red, bright red, flashy. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1813.84 1815.49 Like the pictures I showed you guys. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1811.71 1812.58 Yeah you can 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1815.56 1816.06 Yeah? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1817.83 1818.77 Mm-hmm flashy. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1820.24 1821.51 So more like 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1823.21 1823.73 Mm bzz. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1827.84 1828.91 More like this colour. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1827.08 1827.84 Uh. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1825.56 1827.08 Doesn't work very well. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1829.44 1832.28 Yeah something like that, something that stands out more. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1836.5 1839.37 But then then again, which colour should the buttons be? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1831.03 1836.5 And then then yellow and orange and red objects on it or something. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1835.2 1835.5 Mm. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1836.11 1836.73 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1842.39 1844.65 Should they be white or black or 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1840.91 1842.39 The the press buttons. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1844.79 1845.58 Red maybe. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1845.7 1848.6 And it it looks quite cheap, that colour I think. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1848.6 1849.65 It's it's not 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1846.36 1846.87 Uh 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1846.92 1847.38 Black. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1849.3 1850.22 The green? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1850.28 1850.98 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1850.98 1851.64 I dunno. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1850.28 1852.91 Yeah but it's pretty fresh, on the other side. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1850.3 1850.69 Why? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1853.04 1853.72 So 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1852.26 1853.04 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1854.3 1856.38 It's actually a pretty trendy colour at the moment. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1856.19 1857.41 It's it's trendy okay. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1857.41 1857.77 But 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1857.12 1857.59 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1858.62 1860.17 My couch is in that colour. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1858.85 1859.12 Mm. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1860.77 1862.11 Ooh. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1862.98 1863.46 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1864.88 1866.14 Well it works pretty well. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1865.03 1865.29 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1868.5 1869.72 And then time was up. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1871.32 1872.07 Uh not yet. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1872.49 1873.12 Uh 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1873.69 1875.16 Do you get a pop-up if we 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1874.72 1876.57 Yeah within five minutes yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1876.56 1878.95 That you have five minutes left or 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1877.21 1877.58 Alright. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1877.93 1880.98 Y left yeah left and then uh I have to kick you out. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1890.03 1891.4 Because the of the green. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1884.53 1890.03 But maybe the buttons, all buttons in red is maybe a bad contrast for colourblind people. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1880.69 1882.85 So something like this. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1882.85 1884.53 That should be pretty nice colour. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1882.43 1882.96 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1888.42 1889.7 Yeah yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1889.98 1891.16 No that's actu 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1890.76 1893.97 But the but the buttons have their own LEDs or not? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1894.13 1894.55 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1894.33 1895.71 They have LEDs but they have a colour. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1900.32 1903.58 They will see one of each as grey. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1903.58 1908.91 But if you use uh green on blue, those kind of colours will look the same. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1894.87 1898.88 Red and green are actually the b the easiest to discriminate. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1898.88 1900.32 Even for colourblind. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1899.76 1900.11 Yeah? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1903.21 1903.64 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1909.33 1909.88 Okay. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1909.64 1910.25 Okay. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1911.35 1912.06 I think. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1911.74 1913.21 So red buttons are okay? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1913.59 1914.24 I think so. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1914.78 1917.07 That that's a default uh setting. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1914.54 1914.78 Okay. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1917.07 1918.54 The the red buttons. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1914.8 1915.96 You can make them red. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1918.56 1919.15 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1919.15 1925.91 But I think you need to keep in mind that the LEDs are just extra light. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1928.52 1929.49 How do you mean? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1929.49 1929.87 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1929.91 1934.42 Uh they they don't determine the colour that much, I think. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1932.61 1933.09 Okay. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1933.09 1937.21 Yeah I I was think about a red uh red LEDs and blue LEDs and 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1941.35 1943.09 Each number is transparent. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1937.79 1941.35 'Cause you have to print on them you have a background. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1937.85 1940.34 No that's that's too busy I guess. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1939.95 1940.46 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1943.37 1943.67 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1948.95 1949.92 So you can't 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1947.35 1948.95 Or the the sign. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1944.31 1947.35 Uh partly but you have to print on the number. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1947.95 1948.36 Okay. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1950.54 1952.36 change the colour so 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1957.33 1958.61 So just an extra 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1950.56 1957.33 You better bet better better keep the LED and the button itself in the same colour I guess. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1955.96 1956.29 Okay. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1956.01 1956.6 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1959.28 1960.14 Bit of light. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1959.71 1968.82 You can what we should do I think is is make kind of a see-through plastic button, with uh one coloured LED behind it. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1968.82 1970.89 So that the whole button will shine 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1959.99 1961.55 bit of light and attention. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1961.05 1961.96 Bit of feedback. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 1965.72 1966.02 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1965.74 1966.07 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1968.11 1968.79 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1968.12 1968.67 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1972.05 1972.34 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1972.33 1973.77 as the colour the 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1985.81 1991.18 but also that you can reach the buttons with your thumb, if you hold the machine. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1977.32 1981.41 And if you think about easy to use buttons, we have to 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 1981.41 1985.81 well we have to make it the shape so that it's easy to hold f for both hands,
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1988.4 1988.88 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 1989.47 1989.83 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1990.03 1990.86 Okay with 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1991.67 1992.27 Uh 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1993.31 1997.8 Don't mean to discourage you but uh basically 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2002.62 2005.57 Next thirty minutes to design something so 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 1999.75 2002.62 you two are going to work on the smartboard. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2004.28 2004.94 Ah, right. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2005.41 2005.87 Alright. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2006.42 2007.22 And the 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2008.86 2010.49 You will do the evaluation. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2011.08 2012.16 Of the product? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2012.16 2013.31 Which we don't have yet. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2011.92 2012.43 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2013.31 2015.88 Yeah uh about 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2015.05 2017.66 So wh how should I do that? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2017.95 2019.14 Yeah I don't know. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2019.14 2020.66 You probably get a mail. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2024.8 2029.92 Or just because you are going to design it on this board right? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2020.6 2024.8 Or you you or you send it to me. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2019.12 2020.6 Oh okay. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2028.28 2028.81 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2026.47 2027.04 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2027.04 2028.28 Once they are finished. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2029.98 2036.6 Yeah but maybe you can do the evaluation you don't have to evaluate yet but you can make a procedure which to follow. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2036.6 2037.02 I don't know. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2036.34 2036.93 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2041.56 2045.5 I kn I know what's gonna happen in in yeah so 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2036.93 2041.56 I I probably get instruction on that, how to do that, so I make another presentation I guess. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2038.62 2038.97 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2041.22 2041.46 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2044.21 2044.71 About. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2044.71 2045.64 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2045.64 2046.59 You have the basic idea. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2046.56 2047.73 I've a basic idea. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2047.97 2050.46 And you two uh are going to do this. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2051.09 2051.3 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2052.78 2054.82 On this sketchboard? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2054.82 2055.67 Alright. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2055.67 2056.15 Thanks. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2051.17 2052.78 So we're gonna work here? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2051.36 2052.75 Look-and-feel and 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2059.94 2064.03 So I uh make new page and uh be creative. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2054.67 2059.94 Good luck. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2053.57 2054.67 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2053.9 2054.39 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2057.17 2059.16 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2059.16 2060.68 Alright so that's uh 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2064.75 2065.34 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2065.57 2065.98 Alright. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2065.73 2068.53 But we have to do it at this moment, after th this meeting? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2067.76 2071.38 Yeah you have uh thirty minutes. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2069.98 2071.05 Thirty minutes. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2071.6 2072.06 Okay. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2072.46 2076.38 Then we have to uh see something which we can uh 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2075.25 2075.76 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2076.92 2080.65 Ah so this is basically the what what we are thinking about? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2075.63 2076.92 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2075.9 2076.58 Alright. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2077.39 2078.59 show to the management. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2081.78 2084.11 Shall we uh make a new uh 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2080.92 2081.78 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2081.89 2082.76 I would yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2083.71 2087.67 Yeah l let's just uh delete all these uh or 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2084.05 2084.64 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2084.28 2084.84 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2085.79 2086.23 Next. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2087.44 2091.52 Yeah, I just make a new one. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2091.52 2092.28 Alright. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2088.57 2089.31 Oh, next. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2090.56 2090.94 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2091.78 2094.26 Oh and save this uh board. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2094.92 2095.61 Huh? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2095.61 2097.5 Yeah I'll just I'll just keep it there. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2095.41 2096.12 Just save it. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2097.73 2099.76 Yeah okay but just press save and uh 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2100.05 2100.77 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2101 2101.66 It'll be fine. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2101.86 2102.46 On the left. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2103.19 2104.73 S so, yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2107.69 2108.71 Uh sorry. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2108.57 2111.36 You can also include clip-art. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2115.54 2116.73 So um 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2111.1 2112.16 Okay. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2112.16 2115.54 Current colour? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2111.96 2112.3 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2112.44 2115.7 So if you'll rather draw in paint or something 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2118.19 2118.93 Uh 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2117.29 2118.19 Okay. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2125.3 2126.54 Because I I 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2121.26 2125.3 Shall we make some outline sketches of the basic shape first? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2124.27 2124.73 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2125.38 2128.29 And then after that we can make the user uh inter interface. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2131.3 2131.78 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2127.18 2131.3 then look. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2133.79 2137.87 And you have to think uh how we're gonna put the screen in it and those kind of things. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2128.46 2132.19 Yeah 'cause I have to uh focus on the on the basic look-and-feel design. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2132.19 2133.79 So how it's gonna look. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2144.02 2146.42 Uh do you mind if I draw in black then? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2137.87 2144.02 So if I'm drawing and you think okay I'm not gonna be able to put a screen in there, you have to correct. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2146.42 2147.79 For normal sketches. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2130.75 2131.05 This? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2132.15 2132.42 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2134.67 2136.16 Uh pretty accurate. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2142.08 2143.17 Sound button press. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2140.86 2142.08 Oh we skip this I guess. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2143.37 2143.69 Yep. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2146.12 2147.17 It's not much work. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2145.15 2146.12 You can also include it. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2144.42 2145.15 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2147.42 2150.3 Light only button user ca user interaction. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2147.85 2148.84 Oh no it's it's okay. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2149.52 2155.37 so we kind of want the girlish 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2153.42 2153.71 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2154.81 2155.62 Yeah okay. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2153.73 2154.81 That's included. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2156.07 2164.17 So the pl the plastic plastic buttons also help uh because of um they are only lit during interaction. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2154.82 2156.07 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2164.17 2164.57 So 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2156.19 2157.39 figure. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2162.48 2163.67 I'm not so good at drawing. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2165.28 2165.87 Excuse me? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2166.19 2170.73 Well it's a good thing that the buttons aren't um,
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2170.73 2176.71 well that they are plastic, because then you can light up the light on when when they are usable. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2174.78 2175.33 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2174.39 2174.78 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2177.11 2177.98 No uh uh. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2179.59 2182.67 Maybe you should draw it very large like this. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2182.05 2184.98 Yeah but this part isn't uh functioning properly. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2182.63 2182.98 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2184.37 2185.29 Sensitive. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2184.6 2185.59 Oh right. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2186.87 2190.53 How do we uh uh or insert text? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2188.17 2188.71 Erase? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2194.9 2196.27 Maybe just start typing. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2194.51 2194.9 I dunno. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2199.96 2203.44 It's a bit uh large. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2201.96 2202.98 Oh that's a bit big. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2202.98 2203.42 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2210.87 2214.89 Not only on the front si uh the top side but also the the side view. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2209 2210.87 You also do the other sides. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2212.37 2212.67 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2212.67 2213.88 Ex exactly. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2215.54 2218.09 L let's make first the the the all the views. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2218.09 2221.69 The the front view, side view and the back view. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2215.56 2216.27 Uh 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2217.02 2217.44 Uh. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2221.67 2231.28 Uh I thought for the side view, that the w the basic section would be rather uh a bit thicker than the middle 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2231.28 2234.59 where you're holding it with your 'cause your fingers have to fit underneath and 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2225.48 2226.96 What do I write down? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2224.8 2225.48 Jesus. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2226.64 2227.27 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2232.67 2232.96 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2229.8 2232.67 This is much easier. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2228.84 2229.8 Why can't I work here? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2231.21 2232.31 Much easier, yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2231.52 2231.73 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2233.67 2238.12 The middle has to be very small so you can have it in your hand. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2234.46 2234.78 Mm. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2235.27 2238.09 I don't see a sign that the meeting is over yet but 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2236.91 2244.92 Exactly but the uh but the upper side has to be a bit more like that I think. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2237.77 2242.17 No so I just work here a few minutes. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2240.68 2241.67 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2246.42 2248.96 Yeah the display, we yeah we can put a display. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2248.1 2254.73 So the display we will put in here, the basic uh functions in here, where it's most reachable. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2246.54 2248.1 Uh don't you think? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2254.73 2255.74 The 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2254.36 2254.79 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2256.31 2258.62 The the arrow functions. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2258.62 2259.1 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2259.1 2259.27 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2257.15 2257.46 The th 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2258.52 2259.38 Exactly. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2263.51 2264.71 This is hard. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2264.71 2267.78 What do don't have to draw it exactly do we? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2262.83 2263.51 Oh. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2267.33 2269.35 No it's it's uh it's okay. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2269.46 2270.73 Let me try it one more time. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2269.28 2269.46 Wait. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2272.79 2275.89 Maybe I've uh it's easier if I draw it in once. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2282.29 2287.46 Okay, of course it will become way more ugly. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2289.89 2292.1 Maybe it's easier to to draw uh 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2285.16 2289.89 You can make it m larger. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2292.25 2292.92 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2295.21 2296.35 This'll take forever. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2300 2303.98 Um so, larger. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2298.26 2300 It's fun to work with this pen. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2305.71 2307.52 Oh. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2307.52 2308.17 Wrong one. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2307.51 2309.3 Yeah that's that's the basic idea. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2309.3 2309.86 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2310.19 2315.23 So side. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2307.81 2310.19 And yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2315.51 2318 Five minutes left before the meeting ends. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2317.96 2318.62 'Kay. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2318.62 2320.69 Um other views? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2321.17 2321.92 Alright. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2322.61 2327.62 Yeah only if you are going to put buttons on the side of the unit. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2326.07 2326.75 Uh 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2328.96 2329.23 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2329.17 2329.98 That's the question. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2330.46 2334.05 Let's fill i fill in the buttons later. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2334.05 2335.78 So this is gonna be from the 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2330.54 2331.81 But we we 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2333.67 2334.17 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2355.29 2358.46 Or does it flip all the way? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2345.42 2355.29 So then it's like this, or that's not convenient because then you have the screen like this and look like the it's better to have it somewhat like this. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2336.73 2340.14 I is it if if this is from the side woah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2340.14 2341.35 Steady. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2341.35 2345.42 Because there the screen goes up like that right? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2337.59 2340.3 uh from yeah yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2340.3 2340.81 Sorry. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2339.79 2340.3 From the 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2345.28 2345.76 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2347.19 2347.76 Yeah? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2356.75 2357.7 Yeah I'm I'm 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2356.8 2359.55 The the idea is that it has to flip up to here. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2359.05 2364.96 May maybe it's it's easier to to integrate the the the L. C. D. screen just into this this bubble. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2366.1 2366.73 Okay. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2366.36 2369.06 Because it do doesn't have to flip then. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2374.61 2375.85 Because here 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2370.65 2374.61 Because we have en enough space for for making a an L. C. D. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2370.82 2371.4 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2371.4 2372.23 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2374.92 2380.42 It's better to to have this like this I guess, and then flip it like this. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2375.66 2376.15 True. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2379.48 2382.48 But why why do we need uh the flipping uh 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2385.11 2388.39 So it can also from this angle, it can flip all the way up to there. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2388.39 2389.94 You can flip it up to there if you want. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2382.31 2385.11 you can adjust the angle to which it flips. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2387.39 2388.38 Okay. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2388.38 2388.77 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2390.3 2391.59 So w yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2391.59 2393.89 But we still keep the flipping mechanism. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2389.5 2390.3 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2394.6 2395.13 Think so. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2394.61 2394.94 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2395.06 2395.98 Yeah we keep the flip? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2397.28 2398.94 Keep the flip live. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2397.53 2405.65 Yeah because I think it will feel weird if you would make this smaller and this bigger or something that I dunno. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2404.13 2404.4 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2406.82 2409.69 Uh the the shape is okay but yeah? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2415.69 2416.42 Because we 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2410.69 2415.69 I don't see the the yeah why why we should use the the flipping uh mechanism. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2414.34 2418.58 I thought it would be cool. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2415.15 2415.69 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2417.56 2418.23 Okay yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2418.23 2420.96 It's it's for for for more trendy uh 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2418.94 2422.54 Yeah but maybe Yeah but maybe we we should then 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2422.89 2424.09 Because we have enough space. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2424.09 2429.73 H here we got uh the basic functions, the the arrow uh yeah button. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2425.96 2427.35 Yeah there the middle 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2429.39 2431.67 Sh sh shouldn't we integrate it? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2431.67 2436.21 And then like i oh th doh. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2431.32 2432.77 Yeah and then h we sh mm. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2438.53 2439.94 Come on. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2439.94 2442.02 So this is the shape. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2442.69 2443.56 It hasn't 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2442.02 2442.69 Oh. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2444.25 2447.12 It doesn't aim so well. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2447.77 2453.19 Okay but the screen is a bit lower because if it falls on the other side, it doesn't fall on the screen. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2453.19 2456.69 So there's a layer of rubber on the side. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2456.69 2460.28 So no flipping but just no. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2450.57 2451.93 Yeah, then it's 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2456.03 2456.8 Definitely. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2455.25 2456.03 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2458.73 2462.39 No flipping or you wanted the flipping so 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2459.38 2459.98 No flipping? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2462.36 2465.46 Yeah I guess but uh I mean most votes count right? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2464.09 2464.97 But if you if you 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2468.23 2470.6 And it has to be very strong because of the. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2466.11 2468.23 If you drop it it it just breaks. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2470.6 2473.05 Yeah kind of 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2470.98 2472.26 Throwing and the kinetics. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2472.9 2475.31 We better make we better make it like this. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2475.31 2475.9 Eventually. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2472.26 2472.9 Oh. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2471 2471.59 It's shaking. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2471.4 2471.86 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2472.92 2473.85 Yeah true true. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2475.13 2475.86 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2475.86 2478.01 Yeah if you if you're going for the kinetics 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2475.58 2476.79 Yeah just light on top. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2476.09 2481.71 And it's also for the for the children, it's yeah for people not sixteen years. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2481.71 2482.74 But there are more 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2477.5 2477.84 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2479.5 2479.94 Safer. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2480.96 2481.81 Mm. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2481.81 2483.71 Yeah okay that the target group. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2481.35 2488.25 Uh they are responsible enough to have a mobile phone, so also to to deal with their uh remote uh control. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2488.25 2489.19 Yes. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2484.71 2485.33 Yeah okay. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2485.33 2485.81 That's true. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2488.42 2489.88 Okay. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2489.88 2490.19 Yeah? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2493.37 2494.98 You two go design. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2491.58 2493.37 I just uh ended the meeting. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2490.55 2491.58 Well. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2501.4 2501.77 But yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2491.25 2494.82 I'm just thinking totally different designs also. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2499.81 2501.4 Maybe we should try something like that. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2490.85 2491.25 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2494.82 2499.81 Remember that the weird pocketphone thingy which looked like kind of a Gameboy. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2494.6 2495.57 Okay wi 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2498.33 2498.88 Um 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2497.46 2498.33 By the way. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2497.03 2497.46 Oh. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2499.46 2499.89 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2504.77 2505.73 Yeah. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2501.37 2504.77 I uh thought up a name for our product. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2505.73 2507.69 It's called uh the Real Remote. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2504.44 2504.71 Yeah? 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2504.57 2505.23 Oh right. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2508.1 2509.91 Ooh. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2508.53 2516.54 With a copyright sign after Real. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2509.03 2510.04 Alright. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2513.33 2513.96 Alright. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2511.52 2513.33 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2511.59 2514.16 The Real Remote. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2514.42 2515.1 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2515.1 2517.36 I like it. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2517.36 2517.76 Okay. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2517.76 2518.6 This can go. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2517.46 2519.3 So maybe you can include that somewhere. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2517.53 2518.06 Good. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2519.42 2519.9 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2521.54 2522.35 Or not? 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2519.9 2521.54 We should work in our own room right? 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2521.63 2522.91 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2521.65 2524.98 Oh yeah we have to f uh include that in our design as well. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2524.19 2526.24 I don't see any power cables here so 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2526.17 2526.73 Let's see. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2526.46 2528.03 Yeah. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2528.03 2528.59 Yes. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2528.23 2529.19 What the hell's that? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2529.14 2532.63 I think uh it's the sensors. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2532.63 2533.02 Okay. 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2529.21 2529.57 'Kay. 
TS3006c H03 MTD024ME 2529.89 2531.11 See you two in half an hour uh 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2532.67 2533.31 Uh 
TS3006c H00 MTD021PM 2533.56 2534.32 Good luck. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2534.44 2534.57 Yep. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2536.54 2537.73 Okay that's the side. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2540.44 2544.53 But do we want uh options on the on the side with the with the buttons? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2538.9 2540.44 Ah it's it's okay. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2548.17 2549.63 I think we do. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2546.21 2548.17 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2547.46 2549 Or just leave it? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2549 2553.41 Uh could make an uh a volume button uh scroll, volume button. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2554.14 2558.28 Yeah or j or also scrolling for the m yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2558.28 2558.6 Yeah? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2558.34 2559.35 Or 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2557.06 2558.34 For menu. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2560.04 2560.52 I dunno. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2560.52 2562.7 We w kind of wanted to stick with the 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2562.46 2563.27 Yeah. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2563.27 2565.08 No, yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2570.57 2576.89 So the with the scroll is is more futuristic than the standard arrow buttons. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2564.41 2570.57 Yeah I'm just thinking, if we i we wanna make something different right? 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2577.16 2577.35 Yeah. 
TS3006c H02 MTD022ID 2578.67 2579.19 I think. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2580.13 2580.61 Mm. 
TS3006c H01 MTD023UID 2582.31 2583.63 Yeah you are going to design it so 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2.42 3.67 Okay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 3.67 11.02 Uh first of all I'll start with the costs, because that's going to influence our design. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 11.02 14.32 If you Don't know if you al already had a look or not? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 8.72 9.28 Oh no. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 10.36 11.54 Oh,. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 14.46 16.09 Did you do your questionnaire already? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 18.05 19.67 It's just one question. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 17.3 18.05 It's not much. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 14.67 17.3 No n I I already did it. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 15.04 15.58 No. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 18.6 20.45 Because we have a problem. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 18.78 19.49 Uh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 18.95 19.09 Oh. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 23.16 26.2 If you look closely, you can see. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 25.04 25.23 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 25.96 27.17 It wants 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 29.85 35.76 Um I already took the liberty to make some suggestions. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 58.58 60.89 Uh we use kinetic energy. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 47.45 54.49 At the moment we have fifteen buttons, one L. C. D. screen, one advanced chip-on-print. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 54.49 58.58 We use a uh sensor, that's for the speech. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 63.1 67.11 And we wanted uh the buttons in a special colour. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 71.66 73.23 The special colour of the buttons? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 68.75 69.31 Okay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 69.31 71.66 What's the first thing we should drop? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 78.34 78.68 So 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 74.89 78.34 No that's that's for the trendy uh feel and look. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 77.31 77.81 Okay. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 78.89 80.65 Yeah but everything is. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 79.09 80 Uh 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 84.91 89.71 Uh that's the still the same idea as the kinetic energy because you have to use it and do things. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 80.81 84.91 Should we switch to a hand dynamo? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 85.06 85.44 No. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 88.54 90.19 Yeah, b but 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 89.28 90.86 Yeah but young people like that. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 90.86 92.64 So just do normal battery. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 91.34 91.99 Batteries? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 92.86 93.65 Batteries. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 92.95 94.23 I think the battery option. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 93.07 94.74 Just a normal battery then, yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 94.52 94.91 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 102.16 103.65 Or not? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 100.01 102.16 It has to be twelve and a half. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 101.89 102.25 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 103.05 103.58 Oh. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 103.7 104.89 Oh my goodness. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 104.09 104.93 So 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 108.8 113.87 Okay, so we're at twenty five. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 105.99 108.8 You're going to redesign something. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 113.87 114.59 Um 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 107.56 108.24 Oh no. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 112.68 113.51 Uh, yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 115.58 119.23 Do we keep the shape doubly curved or g do we go for single curved? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 123.79 125.54 I mean we have to drop on everything. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 120.5 123.79 Well I guess i we'll have to go for single curve then. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 125.99 127.66 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 127.66 128.54 Uh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 127.52 135.16 But we can keep it single curved with uh top view still curved,
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 135.16 142.03 but from the side it's it's flat, and the screen screen is just Well you just have to hold it like this then. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 142.03 142.44 So 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 137.4 137.86 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 143.53 150.19 Um Uh another option I saw was to drop the buttons one through nine,
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 150.19 156.43 so you can't directly access a channel, but instead use only the up and down arrows. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 156.43 159.94 That would skip nine buttons and four and a half Euros. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 142.08 143.53 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 143.47 145 How about Sorry. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 156.16 157.19 That's what I was thinking. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 157.11 157.54 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 161.33 162.12 Let's do it then. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 163.37 164.01 we 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 162.12 163.37 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 160.16 161.33 Alright. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 161.27 161.66 Yeah? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 161.43 161.66 A a 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 163.05 164.56 Uh then we have left 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 163.6 166.42 But we don't have any basic options any more. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 166.63 167.44 Uh yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 167.44 167.83 We do. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 168.06 172.64 And uh 'cause then they don't have to n They don't need special colour as well. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 168.42 169.02 F. eight. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 179.02 180.57 You were saying something. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 173.85 175 Fine. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 172.5 173.85 They don't need special colours. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 175 179.02 That's more like it. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 176.23 177.18 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 190.87 195.67 And then you can make an overview of channels in the screen, and select a channel, click 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 180.52 182.09 That was exactly my point. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 188.38 190.87 So we'll just have to use it for everything. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 182.09 188.38 Like let's drop all the buttons, and just make one I mean we're gonna use the L. C. D. screen anyway. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 182.21 182.66 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 188.09 188.56 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 190.71 191.08 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 194.73 196.16 Yeah, some more menu options. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 197.13 199.35 Okay so maybe we can drop few more buttons. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 196.16 197.13 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 199.35 202.2 But um Now let's look. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 201.92 207.96 Yeah we c could We only need the the the the the menu arrow arrow button uh thing. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 207.96 209.94 Everything you can do with with the menu. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 209.94 211.77 So With the display. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 210.32 210.74 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 211.13 213.97 Yeah we need one integrated button for everything then. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 213.71 214 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 214.87 215.56 The joystick. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 215.77 218.4 Uh 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 215.81 216.41 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 216.41 216.96 Kind of. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 216.96 218.33 I was Because 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 219.27 219.64 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 219.63 222.22 Yeah, scroll-wheel, push-button uh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 222.39 224.89 Integrated scroll-wheel push-button, yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 234.2 238.65 y y you wanna see a bar on which you can adjust it from zero to ten for example. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 229.73 234.2 uh and you wanna adjust the treble for instance, this is just uh an example 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 222.4 229.73 If you if you go to If you go to our uh view, like you if you are in the sound system there,
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 229.69 230.08 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 231.83 232.14 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 233.85 234.26 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 237.14 237.56 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 238.6 238.91 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 239.04 243.17 But you want a sound preview of how it's gonna sound, right? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 243.17 251.26 So you wanna click on it, activate it, whe and when you move it, hear the difference of the treble coming out or going into the sound. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 251.26 255.79 So you'll you'll need a a kind of a joystick uh button. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 243.32 243.83 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 249.38 249.7 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 262.52 265.54 But you still But you then still need to have 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 257.55 262.52 So that's kind of on your mouse and then you can click it, adjust it, click again and then you're out of it. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 254.38 257.55 Yeah or or the integrated scroll-wheel push-button. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 257.39 257.75 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 262.56 263.25 Exactly. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 272.14 273.53 But you still um 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 266.81 272.14 Well you can use the scroll-wheel as well for um maybe for the channels. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 273.94 274.73 Yeah it's r Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 275.12 279.08 You still have to have some some button in the menu to go back. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 277.45 282.57 So you do one inte You can do one integrated scroll-wheel push-button. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 282.57 284.7 And then just drop all the other buttons. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 282.02 282.42 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 285.06 285.79 Uh yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 286.42 288.23 Not s not sound I guess. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 285.58 286.42 Well not all. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 286.48 294.86 But but th the cost of one integrated button is far more than a few extra push-buttons. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 288.79 290 No. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 294.89 295.67 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 295.67 300.22 It's uh One integrated button is five times the cost of a normal button. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 299.5 300.82 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 300.82 304.54 So we have to to make it s uh more uh It has to be 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 300.18 300.55 Mm. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 301.02 301.63 So 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 303.12 309.25 You could also drop j three more of these, without losing much functionality. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 309.25 310.79 You just drop the Okay and the Back. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 309.27 313.91 Wh wh what what what is the what is the uh sample sensor sample speaker? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 308.83 309.27 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 313.32 314.31 Oh, that's for the speech. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 315.07 316.11 Speech recognition. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 315.95 316.26 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 316.99 318.6 Could drop the speech recognition. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 317.13 317.67 Right. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 318.02 319.7 S s Drop speech recognition? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 319.86 320.34 No but 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 321.6 323.42 Yeah that's possible. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 321.88 322.47 We we d 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 327.91 332.14 'Cause it can take the function of a lot of uh uh buttons. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 322.45 327.91 Yeah it's it's expensive, but uh we never considered the possibilities of uh speech recognition. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 330.77 332.12 Buttons. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 332.12 333.92 That's not very easy to use. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 331.48 332.11 Buttons. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 332.2 332.46 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 332.64 332.72 I 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 333.96 336.81 No, it can be disturbed by by noise and 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 334.77 335.2 No. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 338.02 341.46 Yeah but lets just say that the speech recognition works. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 339.38 341.91 Let let let me see what's more what's more popular. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 349.04 350.08 I have to look on that. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 341.91 349.04 I guess the the screen was more popular than um than the speech recognition. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 338.15 339.38 stuff like that. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 350.08 350.82 Let me see. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 348.74 349.23 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 355.85 357.98 Uh well no I was wrong. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 357.98 363.37 There are more people who like speech recognition than an L. C. D. screen. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 362.21 362.44 Yep. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 363.92 371.07 Because if you d lose the L. C. D. screen, we need a lot of Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 363.54 363.92 Okay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 371.07 372.52 We need a lot of extra buttons. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 364.79 365.58 But if it 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 366.66 369.29 But it it it's a it's a both a hypers 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 370.06 373.39 Uh so No we just We keep the L. C. D. . 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 368.52 370.06 We lose our whole concept. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 371.4 374.37 No, but Well we Yeah we keep the screen. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 374.37 376.26 I mean it's it's about the same. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 376.26 379.94 Eight one to ninety one percent, uh sixty six to seventy six. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 378.1 385.65 We uh we we haven't really integrated this the speech into the system, so we can might as well s drop that. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 378.25 379.88 Okay so we drop the speech. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 389.72 392.49 So we still have three and a half Euro to lose. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 386.49 389.72 S Fo Four less Euros. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 386.12 386.49 Okay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 384.52 386.12 And drop it yeah? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 385.95 386.97 Let's drop the speech. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 385.4 385.95 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 385.43 385.77 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 389.37 390.39 Sixteen Euros. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 392.93 394.72 We need to lose some buttons. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 393.47 393.97 But y y 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 394.69 403.3 Yeah if you lose the the Back, the Okay button Uh v let's say we only have the four arrows, and the Menu button. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 402.19 402.55 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 404.97 407.22 And then and then use um 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 403.73 404.97 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 404.83 405.64 Then you're 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 406.58 408.63 Oh and the power button we have also. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 413.72 415.98 And then when you in the menu 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 409.04 409.71 The the Okay. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 409.71 413.72 And the menu button does also does the okay function then. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 413.37 413.78 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 416.92 418.15 So that's one Euro. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 417.4 419.47 S so so you activate the menu. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 419.97 426.87 If we do uh two integrated scroll-wheel push-buttons, we can drop all the the push-buttons. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 423.77 424.44 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 427.03 427.55 Yeah? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 427.55 428.29 And 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 431.93 435 With the other, we can do the the channel, the volume, et cetera. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 427.51 431.93 With with one uh integrated button we can uh do the whole menu thing. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 431.62 432.69 Yeah yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 435.14 436.61 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 436.17 441.23 That would save zero point two Euros compared to No. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 441.4 443.09 No it's three Euros. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 443.41 443.83 Um 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 443.09 443.41 No? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 445.59 451.45 To This together is more expensive than Oof, it's almost the same as t keeping this. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 451.45 453.2 And we can drop these two. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 445.34 445.59 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 445.56 447.16 No it's it's n Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 447.94 449.62 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 451.8 460.57 For example if you have f f four buttons, channel up and down, uh volume left right Okay, I've I think we have to keep that. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 460.57 462.17 And then and the power button. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 462.17 463.03 So that's five. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 451.09 451.8 Well okay. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 451.88 452.55 It's the 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 457.09 457.6 Volume. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 460.22 461.32 And the power button. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 464.16 465.34 That's the basic. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 466 468.02 That that's what you need anyway. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 465.01 466 That's basic. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 468.02 475.09 And then for the menu, um you can have a button that activates menu. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 494.04 495.44 Click again, it's okay. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 491.25 494.04 Click on it again, selects features, scroll, adjust it. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 476.77 481.7 Or d or do we just integrate an an an scroll-wheel with a push-button. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 486.43 491.25 and then you can scroll, choose an option, click on it, it goes into an feature. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 481.7 486.43 And then if the moment you use the scroll-wheel, the the the menu gets activated,
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 495.44 498.04 Then you only need one button to move back. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 507.61 512.11 And in that menu, scroll, click, one step back. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 504.3 507.61 and you select that one, click again, and you go one step back. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 512.11 519 So that then you need five buttons, and one integrated scroll-wheel push-button. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 498.64 504.3 Or or under each option, you set a you set an a screen thing what says back,
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 514.66 514.94 Yep. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 520.11 522.85 Which That's even 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 521.92 525.23 But I see that's Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 525.23 526.79 So that's not a good idea. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 520.11 521.92 But we can't drop three buttons. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 520.14 525.14 Okay th that's Yeah that's one Euro more expensive. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 526.38 527.71 That's not an option. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 529.35 531.39 Because which buttons do we have now? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 531.39 534.94 Those five which I mentioned, and then menu, and then 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 534.45 535.4 Menu, power. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 536.49 538.94 F of the four things? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 538.94 540.15 Yeah, th power. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 536.03 536.49 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 538.05 538.89 Four arrows? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 541.44 542.46 Uh 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 540.29 541.44 Power. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 542 543.48 Which more? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 542.29 545.4 Yeah, if you if you go to eight I don't know how to 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 545.66 546.25 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 546.25 546.54 Okay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 548.98 552 Uh power I believe? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 552 552.89 Uh 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 546.54 548.98 So four arrows? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 548.32 549.38 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 549.38 550.23 Power. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 550.23 551.46 Th Yeah that's five. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 554.17 558.47 We have a Back and a Okay button. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 563.09 564.63 So okay that's eight. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 558.41 563.09 Yeah, okay that's seven, and one to activate the menu, yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 565.78 567.05 We we keep the display. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 564.63 565.78 Well we can't reduce that. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 560.72 562.71 And the Menu. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 568.25 569.23 Oh, well okay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 568.62 576.04 Yeah, and even if we drop three buttons from here, we still have to make some adjustments around here. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 576.04 576.41 So 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 577.16 577.53 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 578.83 582.57 Yeah, we need the chip for the for the L. C. display. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 582.69 582.94 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 581.54 582.69 The L. C. D. ? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 583.55 585.94 Let's make the Let's make the case plastic. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 583.7 585.36 Yeah well we need the advanced 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 589.41 590.71 Instead of r 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 591.08 596.57 Because then also it's good in the market with the forty five plus uh people. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 589.52 591.08 Then I rather make it wood. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 593.89 594.33 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 595.79 596.13 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 596.82 598.73 Yeah but but that's not our market. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 596.88 597.09 True. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 597.85 598.27 But 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 599.14 600.27 No that maybe not. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 600.27 603.24 But maybe it's better than plastic anyway. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 604.51 606.49 Ah no, hard plastic. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 607.19 607.99 Oh. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 609.22 613.85 A woo wood uh wood uh wood colour. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 607.35 609.22 Plastic with a with a special colour. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 613.85 615.86 That's an option. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 609.29 611.09 Yeah, plastic with special colour. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 613.91 615.12 Yeah okay uh 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 611.41 613.91 Yeah? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 617.83 620.59 You forgot that. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 612.09 617.83 No but I I Because we have to use the special colour anyway. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 620.59 622.02 So let's go for the plastic. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 618.85 619.16 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 619.64 620.33 Yep. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 620.33 620.67 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 620.63 622.33 So we do one one s Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 623.12 624.15 Plastic. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 622.64 623.12 Yeah, okay. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 625.17 629.54 And since it's not kinetic, it doesn't have to flip around that much? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 628.38 631.3 Uh that's easy because plastic is free. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 629.8 630.36 Hmm. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 632.28 632.55 Hmm. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 632.73 634.34 We still have problem of two Euros. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 635.65 637.75 Uh if we dropped uh 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 634.86 635.65 Yeah, okay. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 637.91 640.29 No the buttons, those are really needed. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 640.77 641.02 Yeah? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 641.2 642.37 Yeah we can't drop them. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 641.34 643 Yeah th th it's it's uh 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 645.04 647.17 An advanced chip-on-print. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 646.8 647.47 Yeah uh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 646.82 650.64 Do we really need that advanced chip for an L. C. D. display? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 646.83 648.78 You still need that. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 647.95 648.72 You uh uh 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 662.2 663.07 That doesn't matter. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 650.62 651.35 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 651.35 662.2 So the other option would be to go for the the sample speaker, and Which can use a regular chip, wh which is six Euros in total. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 660.91 661.8 S 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 663.44 664.53 Oh. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 667.31 670.62 So the only option is an hand dynamo. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 664.53 667.31 I rather keep I rather keep the display. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 664.53 666.46 No, I keep the re Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 668.83 669.73 So 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 667.14 668.83 Because we already designed for it. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 666.46 667.14 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 666.44 666.87 Well yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 669.75 670.35 Exactly. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 670.84 673.15 Oh that 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 672.43 673.89 Yeah and something else. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 673.93 680.63 Yeah but the uh can't we f uh fit all the buttons in an intreg integrated scroll push-button? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 680.63 682.83 'Cause that will save us one and a half Euro already. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 674 676.08 Oh no tha Oh that's one Euro, right. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 684.03 684.72 And then if w 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 684.25 689.77 And then integrated s Yeah but that would make it not so easy to use. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 689.77 692.25 I mean it's not that important, easy to use, but 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 687.97 690.57 No y you would rec 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 692.62 694.85 Then you have 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 693.5 697.29 Th then we have to scroll through a lot of menus to be able to get where you want, huh? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 697.29 697.74 And uh 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 700.14 701.42 For the volume. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 701.42 702.53 You can use those Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 696.92 700.14 Then you still need two additional buttons I believe. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 697.29 697.98 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 702.56 703.85 At least one for power. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 700.25 702.56 Yeah d at l Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 703.73 704.83 But the 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 704.29 705.69 Oh yeah and power. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 705.69 708.67 That's three buttons and this would cost 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 705.85 706.19 Oh. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 707.8 710.1 Yeah it's just as expensive as what we have now. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 709.3 711.96 But the integrated uh button? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 711.96 714.49 How many func functions can it uh have? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 710.21 710.64 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 715.91 717.47 Up, down, Okay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 715.27 715.91 Three. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 716.8 717.9 Yeah endlessly. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 717.9 721.99 I mean it can be a power button as soon as it powered on. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 721.99 730.88 You can go into you in you main menu, you can choose uh flip channel, uh you can choose sound options, any options. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 718.54 718.91 Okay. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 722.02 724.29 You you press it for like three seconds. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 733.79 734.64 On the screen. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 730.39 733.79 Then then then you should do everything in the menu. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 733.57 733.85 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 736.46 739.48 'Cause we don't have money and w we want the screen. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 734.84 736.46 Maybe we should. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 735.5 744.52 It would save enough Yeah you can choose this, drop these, then we have a half Euro left. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 735.09 735.5 Yeah, okay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 744.52 747.56 So we can maybe still use power button. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 742.91 743.9 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 748.58 751.46 Yeah, but we'd Alright. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 749.58 749.89 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 752.32 753.65 I guess we have to. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 752.77 756.21 It s it saves us four Euros and it costs us two and a half. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 758.82 762.53 So let's see, we we drop the price by one and a half. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 762.53 764.14 But we still have thirteen left. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 760.36 761.76 We'll we'll be on 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 765.25 766.82 Oh then I miscalculated. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 761.08 763.21 You see? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 760.81 761.08 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 766.82 767.09 Oh yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 763.21 765.25 Oh still Yeah? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 767.32 767.85 Thirteen. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 767.85 770.94 So still half. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 776.07 777.73 So that's no option. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 770.94 776.07 There goes the special co Well That would make it less appealing. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 768.48 771.01 Shit. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 771.01 776.47 Drop the special colour. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 771.69 773.63 Oh no. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 780.66 781.33 Uncurved? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 777.93 779.14 'Kay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 779.14 780.66 What else? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 781.34 783.53 No no, it has to be um curved. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 782.71 785.69 We sure about the advanced chip we need for the display? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 785.63 785.99 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 785.69 786.86 Yeah it says right here. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 788.59 792.27 They made it very easy for us. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 789.45 790.07 Okay. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 790.63 792.61 Well yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 793.95 797.09 We made it hard for ourselves with the display, but it's a cool feature. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 792.61 793.95 yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 795.96 805.21 Ah, I don't think I can s uh persuade the management to say, this is better for the market so you sell more than 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 803.37 805.97 Wh what we could do is um 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 803.08 803.37 Okay. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 807 812.02 drop the the special colour, and uh do the special colour for the buttons. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 808.98 809.75 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 811.42 812.36 Buttons. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 812.36 815.07 That's Oh yeah since we only have one button. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 815.4 817.17 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 816.21 818.97 Yeah but I mean what is meant by special colour? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 819.81 824.97 I just m I don't I think Uh yeah it's I think it's grey, regular. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 819.95 823.18 Just something else than than black or white I think. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 826.69 827.7 S yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 827.7 828.31 Alright. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 828.24 829.14 Grey and rubber. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 829.11 833.52 But we definitely want the thing to be a special colour though. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 833.52 833.67 Damn. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 830.38 831.09 Of plastic. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 831.87 832.21 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 833.22 838.69 So I rather have an hand dynamo than than drop the colour. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 844.88 846.9 So I guess that isn't an option. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 832.37 833.22 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 841.45 844.88 Yeah, but a hand dynamo costs a lot of energy to keep the screen working. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 838.69 840.57 You can still play with it then I guess. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 840.57 841.45 I don't know. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 836.18 837.53 Yeah and then 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 838.32 839.89 Yeah yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 838.36 838.73 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 841.12 841.44 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 846.48 848.2 The display 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 848.18 851.69 Well, you only have to power it up when you wanna use it. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 848.31 848.87 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 849.47 849.96 The 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 852.41 852.8 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 852.51 856.73 But if you have to power the for ten minutes, then the 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 853.01 853.6 I don't know. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 855.19 857.67 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 855.9 863.45 No I don't think the current status of uh chips are pretty uh energy conserving, no. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 861.67 862 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 864.83 866.67 Let's let's go for the hand dynamo then. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 863.71 864.83 Yeah true. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 864.52 864.86 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 868.19 869.8 Do you want an extra button? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 866.59 868.19 Yeah hand dynamo? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 870.36 873.69 Or or do we Or do we do uncurved and flat? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 873.69 874.6 Instead of 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 874.82 877.44 No no it has to be curved. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 877.44 877.67 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 876.36 879.04 Yeah it has to be curved and has to have that colour. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 879.04 879.76 And a screen. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 876.59 877.1 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 878.53 882.17 Just put a special special colour of the buttons, or something. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 878.93 879.83 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 880.26 881.28 That's the most import 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 879.83 880.26 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 883.65 885.57 Instead of an additional power button? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 882.69 883.65 Yep? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 884.01 885.68 Yeah or spe special form? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 884.19 884.8 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 888.77 889.72 Maybe that's nicer. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 886.14 888.77 S what what is special f Oh yeah, special form. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 890.05 891.14 It's for scroll 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 888.76 890.05 Yeah? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 891.8 892.26 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 892.65 895.05 But we don't have any buttons. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 895.05 897.48 So do d Uh make it a special colour then. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 892.84 893.36 Without 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 895.15 896.05 We only have 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 896.35 899.17 But it's it's for the integrated button, I think also. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 896.02 896.35 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 899.17 899.43 Or 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 899.56 901.47 Yeah ma make it a special colour then. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 899.72 900.33 Yeah but 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 900.9 904.13 Yeah but it's just a scroll-wheel which you can push down. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 904.13 904.47 So 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 903.29 903.92 Okay. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 902.67 903.29 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 903.92 904.16 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 909.5 910.13 So 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 905.04 905.77 Okay. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 905.77 909.5 Make it a special colour and then it look fancy. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 905.79 906.1 Yeah? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 908.43 908.93 Yep. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 908.78 912.08 So Woah we're within budget. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 912.08 914.51 It's a miracle. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 912.36 913.87 Let's let's save it. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 911.26 912.36 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 917.05 917.58 Okay. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 912.19 917.05 Oh just oh ma make it two special colours, but we only have one button. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 916.14 916.6 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 917.76 922.98 Let's do it like this, I mean, because it does not lose our identity of the product as we 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 919.22 919.47 Yeah? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 923.03 924.2 Okay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 924.2 925.51 Um, well 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 927.81 930 'Kay, this was old. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 931.39 934.27 Well we come back to the drawing board then, huh? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 933.74 938.86 Yeah all your designs are uh pretty much 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 935.63 936.09 Okay. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 933.78 935.63 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 934.56 935.84 Yeah back to work. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 935.84 937.91 Uh 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 938.56 942.25 It's silly 'cause we we should have had this meeting before we start drawing. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 938.66 940.6 Did I save it? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 942.27 943.81 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 943.81 946.57 I I wanted to go, but I wasn't allowed. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 946.57 948.79 So 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 942.27 944.26 Yeah but that but that's the fun part of it. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 944.82 945.42 Oh yeah? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 947.03 948.11 okay. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 948.3 948.9 Alright. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 950.34 953.95 Uh I just forgot to save this. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 953.95 954.64 Just a minute. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 969.36 971.41 Yeah what's the next uh phase? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 971.6 974.63 Yeah, this the last phase of course, so 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 974.69 976 Uh the agenda. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 977.16 978.46 By your humble P. M. . 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 978.85 979.34 Hmm. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 983.26 985.27 Alright. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 980.36 983.26 Oh f Frustrated. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 980.4 986 Oh. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 986.75 987.22 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 987.17 987.58 Okay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 987.58 988.96 Um 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 994.35 1000.41 But well as you saw that hadn't made no sense, because we had to drop it. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 989.76 994.35 Well we first should have had a uh prototype presentation. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1000.41 1002.49 Uh 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 999.46 999.77 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 998.29 999.46 Drop everything. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 998.8 999.63 Drop, yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1001.7 1006.12 We went straight into finance? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1004.86 1006.79 Yeah it was more important, so I just 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1003.41 1004.86 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1007.28 1007.63 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1005.85 1007.28 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1006.44 1007.25 For Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1007.85 1009.71 pushed up the agenda. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1009.71 1010.48 Uh, 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1007.97 1008.14 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1013.74 1016.23 You have t produced something about that? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1012.13 1013.74 evaluation criteria. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1016.77 1018.6 I uh I sure did. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1018.6 1020.89 And it combines with product evaluation. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1014.84 1016.77 Yeah that that's Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1020.89 1022.41 Uh so 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1022.19 1024.33 Uh you put it in the. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1023.62 1026.19 We all have to keep in mind what has changed now. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1026.19 1034.22 So what we have left on the Because evaluation is based on the initial uh user requirements. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1034.22 1034.67 Alright. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1028.24 1028.59 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1035.62 1036.96 Let's make it big. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1035.74 1036.1 F. five. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1039.02 1039.9 Um 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1056.01 1057.08 Um 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1041.08 1046.4 Well we evaluate uh the design with a seven point scale, as following. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1050.01 1056.01 True or false, and then on a scale of seven points, a scale, as we all know it. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1046.4 1050.01 Well the remote controls according criteria blah blah blah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1053.5 1053.85 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1058 1065.29 Well the criteria are based on the user requirements, uh the trends from the marketing research, and the marketing strategy of the company itself. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1068.4 1074.04 Um well they are in a Word document, which I will open now. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1074.04 1075.44 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1076.63 1076.83 No. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1075.44 1076.63 I don't know it's open yet. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1072.91 1073.51 Alt up 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1081.22 1085.38 And we all have to uh agree on a certain level. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1085.38 1085.91 What's this? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1086.88 1090.06 Freaky. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1087.72 1089.04 I don't know. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1087.36 1087.72 Oh. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1089.04 1089.91 Um 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1097.33 1101.6 So that means the operating behaviour was using quite a lot of functions. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1091.55 1097.33 Well the first point is the remote control matches the operating behaviour of the young user. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1103.33 1104.68 How do you think about that? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1107.99 1114.73 Because the operating behaviour of the young user was also defined in colour and shape and the use of L. C. D., right? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1105.62 1107.99 I think it does. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1114.92 1117.99 Uh, of course we dropped a little bit of those uh 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1114.54 1114.92 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1115.38 1116.35 Yeah the us u 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1117.45 1122.91 It it it's it's mainly con mainly concentrating on a lot of functions, in this question. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1122.91 1124.39 So do you think 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1117.97 1118.35 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1121.67 1122.06 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1124.05 1128.4 Well, we have extended menus, on the on the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1128.4 1128.93 So 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1127.41 1130.59 You can you can ma Yeah, you can make a lot of extended menus. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1130.59 1131.19 That's true. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1126.91 1127.41 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1131.19 1136.43 I mean the the possibilities are almost unlimited, to to build in menus in the screen. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1128.32 1128.77 Yep. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1134.6 1134.74 I 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1136.06 1137.33 No. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1137.82 1139.41 So on a scale from 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1140.56 1142.97 one to seven, what do you think? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1142.4 1143.22 Two or three. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1143.92 1144.18 Huh? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1144.31 1145.19 Two or three. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1151.72 1152.55 I agree on two. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1145.26 1145.99 Two or three? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1145.99 1146.7 Something like that? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1146.7 1148.57 Well we have to choose one. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1148.57 1151.72 So uh what do you say? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1146.86 1147.32 Two. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1147.07 1147.51 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1155.19 1155.72 Uh 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1151.39 1153.92 Uh y we should fill this in now. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1153.92 1155.19 Yeah okay. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1155.07 1157.21 I uh I say two, personally. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1153.63 1155.07 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1157.21 1157.52 But 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1157.41 1157.79 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1157.76 1160.2 Yeah in the new design I s would say it's three. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1160.2 1162.58 But now, in original design I say two. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1158.09 1159.06 Yeah alright. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1162.22 1165.11 Yeah well we have to evaluate I guess what we have now. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1165.63 1166.83 Okay then I say three. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1175.33 1177.25 Yeah I know. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1177.25 1179 So it's made bold. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1170 1170.81 Three? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1184.15 1184.75 That's better. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1170.81 1175.33 Okay well I say still two, but it has to be three then. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1167.17 1167.4 Yeah? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1167.4 1170 You say three, and you you said al also three? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1179 1184.15 But it's nah, it's not very clear on the sc Maybe other colour, yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1167.75 1168.65 Yeah yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1170.35 1170.48 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1172.82 1176.84 Hey, you're marketing, eh. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1179.23 1179.98 Hmm. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1179.98 1181.25 M maybe underline. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1181.68 1182.69 Or give it a colour. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1185.78 1187.83 Red. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1186.07 1186.64 Uh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1190.21 1192.19 Oh, it doesn't have to be bold anymore. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1188.31 1189.48 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1189.48 1190.21 Alright. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1192.25 1200.13 Oh yeah very true. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1200.13 1205.46 He types everything. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1193.18 1194.28 Alright. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1195.9 1197.56 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1197.56 1202.61 Um well the remote control has Wha 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1196.86 1198.41 Yeah true one. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1201 1204.27 Definitely one. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1204.27 1205.31 It has to be. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1203.7 1203.98 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1206.02 1209.24 The remote control has irrelevant or less used functions. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1209.24 1211.53 For example audio settings and screen settings. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1210.44 1213.23 It hides uh basic functions. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1214.02 1216.25 You don't use anything else. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1211.05 1214.02 Everything. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1225.98 1226.78 And you place them 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1222.35 1225.98 If you don't want to use them, you don't s you s just scroll over them. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1220.8 1222.35 But, I mean uh they're hidden in the screen. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1216.64 1218.35 So it it's a very true point. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1218.35 1220.8 I mean it hides all those function. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1211.6 1214.84 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1214.84 1216.64 Well, yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1212.18 1218.04 You're not gonna find them. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1220.64 1220.84 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1218.9 1219.35 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1219.35 1220.64 Yeah okay. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1220.8 1221.41 Yeah true. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1227.39 1227.65 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1227.6 1229.36 F I don't know where. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1229.36 1232.21 So that's very true, I guess, for our case. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1233.28 1235.32 Uh the second point. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1235.32 1238.08 It shows the relevant and most used functions. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1238.08 1238.89 Power button. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1233.33 1235.61 Yeah the next Not so much so. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1238 1238.8 Nope. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1240.06 1241.5 Do we ha still have a power button? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1241.5 1243.36 Well yeah the button's integrated, huh? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1241.38 1244.54 Uh check with the Excel sheet. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1243.58 1244.03 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1243.62 1245.95 I think we are 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1245.21 1246.84 Yeah it's uh it's integrated. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1246.01 1246.81 Yeah we dropped it. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1254.27 1256.4 I don't know. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1246.81 1254.27 You j you just push it in for Yeah just just push it in for th for three seconds or something, and then Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1256.4 1257.59 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1257.59 1260.91 Um it shows the relevant and most used functions. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1249.31 1249.65 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1247.64 1249.31 It's in Oh yeah it was integrateds. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1249.15 1250.18 Yeah integrate it. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1252.55 1255.03 E exactly just like a m mobile. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1252.91 1253.27 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1254.94 1257.34 Just go scrolling and it will activate. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1262.83 1266.92 Yeah uh on the other uh on one side I would say yes, and the other side I would say no. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1268.07 1269.98 So it's I don't know. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1269.95 1274.14 It shows the most used functions and they are relevant, but 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1276.69 1280.38 No, you have to scroll through the menu, before 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1272.75 1276.69 Can you uh change channels directly with with just one button? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1273.44 1274.01 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1278.05 1281.36 With the scroll butt Yeah and then say channel. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1281.36 1281.9 And then 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1281.36 1281.98 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1281.98 1283.73 So it's it's not 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1282.42 1288.19 Well uh we should b build it so that if you don't kind of push into the menu or something,
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1288.19 1289.95 if When it's on, yeah, it's turned on, 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1289.43 1290.02 Hmm? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1289.52 1291.86 You say you double click on the 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1295.81 1299.45 but as soon as you click it you go into the menu or some Of you Or you double click it. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1291.47 1295.81 It automatically has the the programme and the volume function 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1291.91 1292.27 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1297.88 1298.22 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1299.14 1302.77 But but how do you change from volume to channel? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1303.81 1305.95 No because it has four arrows, right? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1306.25 1307.36 No, not anymore. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1307.36 1310.87 Because he's now have a scroll-wheel that you can push in. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1306.52 1307.81 No. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1306.79 1307.71 No. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1307.78 1308.49 Oh yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1309.22 1309.53 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1311.21 1314.98 Yeah I was thinking still about our uh integrated joystick. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1311.44 1312.76 Like on the the mouse. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1334.17 1334.77 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1327.27 1332.97 for, I mean, uh volume, and three double click for the menu, or something. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1334.77 1335.58 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1335.58 1336.79 Alright. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1321.35 1327.27 So so you hav So you you have to double-click, I mean,
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1317.33 1321.35 So the joystick was not an option. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1314.83 1317.33 No we have n we have no buttons left. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1332.97 1334.17 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1318.56 1319.4 Say. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1320.79 1322.57 Yeah that is a bummer. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1323.06 1326.32 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1329.96 1330.51 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1328.72 1329.96 To get into menu. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1331.33 1332.99 Oh no. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1331.83 1337.79 Or hold it ten seconds. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1332.46 1337.08 We'll make it a Morse code. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1343.2 1347.08 Uh the remote control shows the relevant and most used functions. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1340.11 1343.2 So that's Yeah but that that's not a question. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1336.99 1340.11 But but ease of use was not very important, may I remind you. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1347.08 1348.78 Well I think it's pretty much in the middle. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1339.67 1340.2 No no no. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1340.2 1343.02 Uh it should be trendy. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1349.68 1350.24 Four. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1348.96 1349.68 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1350.19 1354.12 You have to search for them in in the in the s in the screen, in the menu. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1354.12 1354.6 So 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1352.03 1353.32 Yeah, im in the menu. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1354.75 1355.28 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1355.17 1356.17 Seven. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1357.61 1357.94 Or 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1355.47 1357.61 So maybe it's more like a f a five. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1357.89 1358.45 Five. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1357.48 1357.89 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1357.71 1359.87 Yeah I would go for five or six, yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1359.89 1360.73 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1360.73 1361.66 Five or six? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1361.93 1362.39 Five. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1365.06 1366.29 Let's not diss our remote. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1363.55 1365.06 Okay five. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1363.85 1364.43 Five. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1364.43 1364.84 Yep. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1364.93 1366.26 Alright. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1366.26 1366.76 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1364.43 1364.93 Five? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1369.23 1373.09 It's the weirdest remote control I've ever seen. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1373.09 1375.62 So 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1371.27 1371.9 Oh. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1374.48 1374.9 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1375.22 1375.76 Yep. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1377.37 1379.56 Just one button. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1378.17 1382.47 Well it's different. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1380.61 1381.24 Alright. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1390.73 1393.34 But it has at least one innovation. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1388.49 1390.73 Well yeah but we dropped the speech recognition. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1378.58 1380.61 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1381.24 1388.49 Uh the the remote control makes use of technolog technological innovation like L. C. D. screen and speech recognition. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1382.29 1383.22 But Uh yep. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1387.25 1387.93 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1390.63 1391.68 Yeah, it's still 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1394.49 1395.48 Yeah, I say two. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1395.82 1398.75 We still have the fruit and vegetable print. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1395.94 1396.99 I say two then. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1396.32 1396.67 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1399.54 1402.15 Yeah but that that's not that's not this question. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1402.15 1404.11 Uh thi uh that's the other question. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1399.6 1402.14 Oh, that's the next. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1403.64 1404.48 I'm a bit lost. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1400.07 1403.64 Fr Oh I mean the Oh never mind. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1404.99 1405.51 This one. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1407.43 1407.77 No. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1405.71 1407.43 I think a two. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1406.92 1407.24 Two. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1407.25 1408.97 Two yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1413.73 1415.11 Oh not the bold one. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1408.97 1413.73 I think L. C. D. 's more useful than speech What? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1409.37 1409.53 Yep. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1412.37 1414.01 Yeah definitely. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1415.75 1417.32 It's way more practical, yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1426.57 1428.85 It should have been two questions. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1417.84 1420.29 Right. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1428.85 1433.8 I realise now, because sponge-like material is dropped. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1433.8 1435.01 But the look and feel 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1420.29 1426.57 Okay, it has a fancy look and feel by using fruit and vegetable prints, primary colours and sponge-like material. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1426.93 1427.45 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1436.22 1438.32 You still have rubber d Or no. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1437.51 1440.9 So we still uh we still have the primary colours. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1440.9 1443.89 But only on the on the outside, not on the button. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1436.29 1437.51 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1438.29 1439.45 No you got a plastic. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1439.96 1440.32 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1440.64 1440.87 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1441.36 1441.63 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1446 1446.37 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1444.09 1446 The button has also colour. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1445.67 1446.62 Yeah? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1446.62 1447.25 Okay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1446.87 1448.5 The one button we have. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1445.96 1446.87 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1447.55 1449.54 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1449.54 1449.9 The one. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1448.35 1449.51 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1449.51 1453.57 Yeah still we we dropped also on the the double uh curve. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1453.82 1457.29 Yeah you could check with the Excel sheet. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1454.23 1454.91 Mm mm. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1456.74 1458.22 You only have one Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1456.01 1456.74 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1463.05 1465.57 So maybe in the middle or something. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1456.74 1463.05 Yeah we have single curve now, and no and no material. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1459.01 1460.48 And and colour. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1461.83 1462.33 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1462.33 1462.5 S 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1465.6 1465.88 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1464.82 1465.6 Four. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1465.03 1465.63 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1466.26 1466.84 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1467.29 1468.59 Yeah, I mean it's 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1468.77 1469.68 Yeah or three. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1469.8 1470.89 Uh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1470.56 1471.59 worth the Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1471.5 1472.35 We have something. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1474.49 1480.81 Because it's basically an old one, uh with little curve on the side, and in a different colour. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1482.71 1487.55 I mean the sponge-like and the three D. shape, that would give it something young and fresh. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1480.81 1482.71 Still, it's still hard. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1471.75 1474.49 Actually we d we didn't do so well on this one. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1482.07 1482.46 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1486.99 1487.5 New. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1487.5 1487.8 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1489.54 1491.39 But then we would have to drop the screen. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1491.39 1492.16 Oh red. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1488.41 1489.54 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1490.67 1492.14 Red. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1493.22 1493.43 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1493.8 1496.12 You like both. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1494.47 1496.41 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1496.41 1497.28 I like bold. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1499.41 1502.34 Uh the remote control displays the corporate logo. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1502.8 1504.14 Um oh yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1504.57 1506.26 Mm yeah yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1504.89 1505.64 Of course. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1505.4 1510.26 I just couldn't Um, just one minute. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1505.74 1507.45 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1507.45 1513.16 You just have to draw it. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1516.73 1519.92 we could not make it big enough to actually draw in the 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1510.52 1516.73 Yeah but it be because uh we couldn't hardly draw on the b s on the lower half of the screen 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1510.95 1512.63 It's the white part uh 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1519.75 1521.78 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1521.78 1523.02 We have a we have a 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1520.22 1520.7 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1524.59 1525.04 But 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1521.77 1524.59 So I mean I wanted to put digits on the buttons as well. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1522.2 1522.96 So 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1524.98 1527.39 But there's uh enough space for the corporate logo. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1527.39 1530.29 I mean, if there's only one thing. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1528.53 1529.71 Hell yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1529.71 1531.14 If we have only one button. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1531.28 1533.08 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1533.08 1535.33 So I will say that is very true. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1536.79 1537.41 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1544.66 1545.63 So 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1537.15 1544.66 And even the shape we have now uh simulates kind of an R. and the reversed R., doesn't it? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1544.62 1547.54 The remote control is easy to use. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1553.64 1555.93 I don't think it's easy to use, or not so. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1547.54 1553.64 Well I would say Skill, uh I would say six, or something. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1542.31 1544.62 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1549.34 1550.02 No. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1559.6 1560.82 'Cause it has only one button. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1554.93 1559.6 The only e the only thing easy about it is that you don't have to move your fingers. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1556.16 1556.6 Ah i 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1559.57 1560.08 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1560.07 1562.76 And that you only have to control one button. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1562.72 1563.93 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1563.93 1565.86 It it it has a nice screen. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1565.86 1567.29 But Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1562.84 1563.68 Yeah exactly. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1567.54 1568.9 It gives visual feedback. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1568.9 1569.46 So 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1569.13 1569.48 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1569.48 1571.67 Well I I would say a five or a six. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1572 1573.36 I would say six. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1573.23 1574.95 Five. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1572.43 1573.23 I think a five. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1575.7 1577 Five or a six? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1574.95 1575.7 Easy to use? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1574.21 1574.95 What do you say? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1577.27 1578.75 'Cause you're putting everything 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1575.04 1577.27 It's really not easy to use. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1577.46 1578.48 No not anymore. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1579.12 1580.28 So a six, more. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1580.21 1580.51 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1581.37 1583.89 Yeah, uh I would go for the six too. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1583.89 1584.53 So 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1583.83 1584.14 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1583.17 1583.83 Okay. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1586.73 1588.12 Most votes count. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1588.12 1589.23 Um 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1597.71 1598.22 But uh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1596.14 1597.71 I don't know if that's the correct word. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1591.08 1596.14 Um well, another question, uh the remote control is durable. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1591.87 1593.23 Yeah that looks uh great. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1597.74 1598.12 Nah 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1597.09 1597.74 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1603.3 1607.33 Yeah because the the batteries, those thingies last forever. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1597.62 1603.3 Definitely in casing, 'cause we have a hard plastic Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1598.7 1600.81 In use, both battery as casing? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1602.93 1603.25 Yeah? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1609.09 1610.59 And the casing is plastic,? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1607.73 1609.09 True, true. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1608.51 1612.25 And the the casing, hard plastic also lasts forever. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1612.33 1612.72 Yep. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1612.5 1613.26 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1613.26 1617.3 If you don't drop it too much, it's uh should last pretty long. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1613.26 1613.65 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1615.66 1618.01 So I would go for one. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1621.86 1624.15 So I think a two is more appropriate 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1619.03 1621.86 But uh I think rubber compared is better. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1618.64 1619.03 Yeah? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1621.86 1621.97 S 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1620.94 1621.86 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1623.63 1623.95 Yep. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1624.35 1625.33 Okay yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1625.2 1625.68 than 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1627.53 1628.23 Wow. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1630.55 1631.15 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1631.15 1632.93 Logo. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1632.93 1634.57 Okay I will go go for two. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1631.63 1632.61 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1638.01 1642.51 The remote control's a good example for company's motto, we put the fashion in electronics. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1636.28 1638.01 Uh the last one? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1640.44 1641.05 Oh. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1644.04 1644.84 No m 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1644.71 1647.14 No we put the electronics into the fashion. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1645.94 1653.27 Yeah well yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1646.6 1653.95 I would g I would go for four. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1646.71 1652.02 uh turn around. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1652.02 1652.46 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1652.46 1653.25 But um 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1654.58 1654.98 Yeah? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1654.66 1655.22 No 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1655.23 1660.3 Because we kind of tried to but we kind of failed with the budget that we have. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1655.94 1656.65 It's not 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1658.6 1661.35 Yeah, true. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1661.34 1661.93 Yeah okay. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1664.42 1670.24 It's it g it g goes, it's not the best we could do, I guess. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1670.24 1674.72 But it all has to do with the budget, because it's it's not the bad idea we had, so 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1662.87 1664.42 So a four. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1669.3 1669.76 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1674.53 1675.6 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1675.6 1676.14 Yeah yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1675.92 1677.26 Yeah, four is okay. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1676.39 1677.36 Alright, yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1679 1679.42 Right. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1679.78 1680.61 So 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1681.47 1686.44 So if I understood it right, we have to count these numbers. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1681.89 1682.48 That's it. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1689.54 1689.78 What? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1687.93 1689.54 And Yeah? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1686.85 1687.93 Ooh. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1688.22 1688.84 Uh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1689.86 1691.09 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1692.18 1692.7 Oh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1691.09 1692.18 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1693.86 1694.07 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1696.79 1699.47 Word document, the Yeah we have to count them. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1694.44 1696.79 Oh Alright. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1697.81 1698.08 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1698.08 1698.6 That 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1701.26 1702.1 Add them? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1699.91 1701.26 Count them. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1702.1 1702.41 Or 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1700.9 1701.47 Uh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1707.43 1707.71 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1702.36 1707.43 Yeah just add them and then uh divide them. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1705.36 1709.14 Could somebody start calculator? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1710.73 1717.33 I all made it po I I all made it I all made it possible uh for a positive questions, so we can count it. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1709.7 1710.73 Mm. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1717.33 1722.24 I mean if you have reversed question, you have to reverse the scale, uh Yes. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1713.39 1713.86 Uh 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1710.82 1713.39 Ah we can do the math. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1716 1716.29 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1718.48 1719.09 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1721.81 1723.32 So four and 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1719.09 1721.81 You have to 'Kay. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1721.46 1721.8 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1723.84 1725.3 Did you make this questionnaire or what? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1725.62 1725.97 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1727.19 1728.93 Thanks. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1728.64 1729.93 Nice work. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1729.75 1730.21 Okay. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1730.13 1730.53 Oh. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1731.3 1732.17 Three plus? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1732.44 1734.35 I wouldn't be able to do it that fast. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1733.21 1733.65 O one. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1734.34 1734.91 Plus one. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1735.23 1735.99 Plus five. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1736.56 1737.38 Plus five? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1737.59 1741.15 Oh Easy. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1741.15 1742.19 Question number four, yeah? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1738.13 1739.23 Bo 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1743.12 1744.45 Uh two. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1743.96 1744.45 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1746.15 1746.4 F 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1746.3 1746.85 Four. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1746.46 1747.29 Oh. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1747.29 1748.17 Wait a second. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1748.76 1749.74 It's it's gone wrong. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1748.17 1748.76 Oh. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1749.31 1750.76 How hard is it? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1751.68 1752.45 It's your turn. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1751.16 1751.68 Okay. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1752.12 1757.5 Yeah just use Oh there tho uh there's no n There's no num pads. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1752.22 1753.52 Pretty difficult. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1753.42 1754.44 Start over? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1753.5 1757.08 No it's if you press twice on the plus button, then you get s s 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1757.02 1758.47 You can Oh yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1757.95 1760.34 That's why it's uh 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1757.43 1757.95 No. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1759.98 1762.64 It's a it's a bit uh 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1764.63 1765.94 And then you can count them together. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1762.86 1764.63 They're all one digit numbers right? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1761.52 1762.86 Just type in the digits. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1773 1773.71 Nine. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1770.82 1773 Three, plus one, four. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1765.95 1766.84 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1766.84 1770.82 I think you can just count them by a Um let's move over. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1767.47 1769.19 Just count it to Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1771.63 1774.17 Three, four, nine. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1770.4 1771.63 Okay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1777.17 1777.97 Uh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1778.18 1778.81 Are you here? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1780.17 1780.9 Fifteen. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1778.81 1780.17 Eleven. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1777.39 1778.18 Uh, yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1778.95 1780.14 Eleven. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1780.14 1780.83 Fifteen. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1779.55 1781.6 Eleven, fifteen. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1783.95 1784.79 Sixteen. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1784.33 1785.04 Sixteen. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1784.7 1785.63 Sixteen, yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1787.41 1788.26 Seventeen. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1788.58 1789.46 Seventeen. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1792.14 1792.8 Twenty two. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1788.73 1789.97 No sixteen. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1789.97 1792.14 Uh sixteen plus six. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1790.7 1791.42 Oh what? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1791.46 1793.77 Twenty two. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1792.09 1794.33 S Uh 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1792.11 1795.44 How hard is this? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1796.26 1797.56 Twenty four. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1797.56 1798.22 Twenty eight. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1795.44 1796.26 Never mind. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1794.3 1796.07 Twenty two, yeah? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1796.07 1796.2 Tw 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1796.78 1797.48 Twenty six. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1795.62 1796.78 Twenty four. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1798.93 1801.46 Oh, sorry. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1801.46 1802.08 Oh my. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1798.96 1801.4 Twenty Twenty eight. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1804.73 1806.79 So divided by nine. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1803.53 1804.73 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1801.73 1802.57 That was the last one. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1802.57 1803.53 That was that. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1802.85 1803.47 Twenty eight. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1804 1804.56 Twenty eight. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1803.72 1804 Okay. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1804.95 1805.77 Twen Uh okay. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1808.29 1812.2 That's uh three uh Or le less than a three. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1806.87 1808.29 By nine. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1808.03 1808.52 Hmm. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1810.83 1811.56 So 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1811.12 1813.81 Yeah the lower the The lower the score the better, right? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1814 1814.62 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1815.22 1816.56 Twenty eight 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1814.26 1815.22 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1815.81 1816.58 Yeah but 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1817.4 1818.55 Divided by nine. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1817.74 1825.08 di divided by nine makes three point one one one one one one one. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1819.84 1821.96 So thr t two. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1824.38 1825.87 So we're better than average. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1825.46 1826.01 But 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1826.14 1826.65 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1826.82 1831.07 I Are you sure we this number actually tells us somethings? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1838.85 1844.36 So if you give a true to a positive, it actually means that the low the lower the better. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1831.07 1838.85 I don't think so because some questions are related to positive issues and some to negative. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1844.36 1846.68 But if you give true to a negative question 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1829.96 1831.51 No. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1833.29 1835.61 Some questions are Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1864.12 1867.55 And hides these functions. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1849.14 1850.64 Good example. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1852.27 1853.7 Easy to use. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1846.36 1849.14 Yeah, but there are no negative questions I guess. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1850.64 1852.27 Durable use. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1861.84 1864.12 Re relevant most used function. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1855.57 1858.41 Fancy look and feel, that's good. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1853.7 1855.57 This is good. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1858.41 1861.84 Technology innovation was good, because of a marketing uh requirement. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1867.55 1868.75 That was also a good thing. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1848.56 1848.81 No? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1853.18 1854.12 Easy to use. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1850.82 1853.18 Durable, that's good. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1859.41 1860.03 Also good. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1857.26 1859.41 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1862.03 1862.54 Yeah okay. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1863.66 1864.76 I guess you did do it. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1869.6 1869.8 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1869.13 1869.6 Oh yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1870.42 1870.93 No 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1869.75 1870.42 Oh yeah yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1873.36 1876.8 So it were all positive questions, by uh by purpose. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1876.8 1877.05 So 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1870 1873.36 And then matches the opera of the user was also a good thing. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1872.62 1872.83 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1873.84 1874.22 Okay. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1873.18 1873.84 Okay. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1875.19 1876.1 Yeah true. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1878.09 1881.39 Yes, so the It tells us something, yes. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1881.39 1887.81 Becau But the picture would be a lot different if we didn't have to drop those uh those things, I guess. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1881.97 1882.7 Oh great. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1886.03 1887.15 Things, yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1887.05 1888.98 Yeah definitely definitely. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1888.98 1892.46 Because now it's just an average It's remote. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1888.82 1889.46 Okay. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1892.3 1894.58 Nah it it's it's better than average, but 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1891.63 1892.3 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1894.7 1896.38 Yeah okay because of the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1896.38 1903.4 But uh it looks and stuff, it still uh it's not, it's not really eye-catching, except for the colour. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1897.05 1897.63 So th 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1896.39 1897.05 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1897.57 1899.21 It's still yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1899.41 1900.16 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1900.2 1901.79 Has some shortcomings. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1902.52 1903.91 No. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1903.91 1904.82 The colour and the screen. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1905.03 1905.41 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1919.62 1923.1 So Uh the finance we looked. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1917.58 1919.62 Uh prototype presentation we dropped. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1908.16 1914.44 Okay so Um this we had, this we had. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1924.71 1927.32 Uh not on that, but 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1914.44 1917.58 We have to do a product evaluation. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1923.1 1924.71 We have redesigned. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1914.12 1915.39 Product evaluation. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1927.42 1932.56 Yeah we we have to maybe if we have to redesign it on this 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1929.12 1932.85 Okay it's your turn now. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1929.48 1936.7 So you can just make one big L. C. D. screen. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1930.39 1931.12 Shall we try? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1935.39 1939.02 With some casing around it, yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1936.33 1937.52 Black. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1938.93 1942.45 Okay uh we're still gonna go for the fancy colours? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1942.45 1944.86 But are we gonna stick with the green or are we gonna do blue? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1941.98 1943.02 Yeah uh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1942.3 1942.64 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1942.39 1942.73 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1954.23 1956.27 Or we have to delete this one or 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1953.82 1954.23 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1944.5 1946.55 Yeah we we can just uh use this one. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1946.55 1953.82 And then uh over-paint it with uh uh the green uh he only needs one button. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1948.49 1952.05 The the button has a special colour, the frame has a special colour. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1949.23 1949.6 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1952.85 1954.72 One scroll button and 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1955.4 1956.26 And single curved. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1953.4 1955.4 It's plastic. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1956.41 1956.76 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1957.31 1962.66 Oh and you might want to add a uh infrared LED. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1963.53 1965.9 Oh oh no. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1963.88 1964.38 Oh yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1964.63 1967.75 Otherwise it uh doesn't function uh so well. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1965.44 1966.13 For what? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1967.18 1967.72 Okay. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1968.16 1968.25 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1969.94 1971.12 So that's 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1970.38 1972.22 Do we have to do other things? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1987.41 1988.38 So I 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1982.26 1987.41 And I try to get chip just before uh I uh receive the Excel sheet. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1972.8 1982.26 Well I have to um um make an uh report of every decision we made so far. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1972.89 1974.46 Or just redesign? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1981.29 1982.2 Alright. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1986.67 1988.08 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1988.08 1989.57 So you made a start, right? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1989.5 1992.15 Yeah I'm I'm somewhere, but maybe you can help me. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1991.34 1992.65 Should give it some time? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1992.43 1992.97 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1993.54 1994.29 Yay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1994.86 1995.54 Uh 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1994.98 1997.94 Okay, but how do we make the the scroll uh button? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 1997.94 2000.29 It's just one yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1997.68 1998.25 So 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 1997.03 1997.68 I was here. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 1998.91 2000.54 Have to take this away also. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 1999.15 1999.67 Alright. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2001.23 2001.98 Ah 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2002.35 2004.01 And this um 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2003.42 2007.04 Uh that's the infrared uh thing. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2014.91 2021.74 Oh Yeah we did our special colour for the Line widths, now that's a ten. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2012.31 2014.91 Current colour red. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2005.89 2007.48 Oh yeah, of course. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2007.48 2009.95 Um pen yeah? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2009.95 2012.31 Format. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2006.03 2012.68 The the target group has a weak spot for fruit and vegetables, like primary colours, spongy shape. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2012.68 2016.43 The playfulness, we decided to use kinetic energy as a power sour 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2007.19 2007.58 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2017.28 2017.53 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2017.88 2018.32 Okay. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2019.28 2020.61 That's conceptual, yes. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2023.22 2027.66 That's enough to get started with, so 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2024.62 2029.34 Um, uh it's just a scroll Yeah, is it's horizontal or vertical? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2024.39 2024.62 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2025.17 2025.57 Mm. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2025.79 2027.52 It's gonna be one str scroll. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2026.77 2028.13 How many pages? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2028.45 2032.24 Uh, I just took one for every step and then a conclusion. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2030.58 2031.14 Alright. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2031.14 2033.1 Y you have you have done the first two. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2030.95 2031.46 I think 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2031.75 2034.51 Horizontal's easier too, 'cause you can 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2033.26 2033.59 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2033.94 2035.6 Okay, and and the look and feel is 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2034.73 2035.02 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2035.44 2037.28 Is it more natural than this? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2036.11 2040.93 Well I think I have to make a p an issue called finance. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2037 2037.69 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2040.51 2041.16 'Kay. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2039.12 2040.51 So let's say Whoops. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2042.89 2043.23 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2045.49 2047.16 It doesn't look like uh 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2043.93 2045.49 Yes. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2044.62 2047.64 Basically. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2046.18 2048.19 The items we had to drop. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2047.83 2048.14 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2048.33 2050.44 Uh it it's it's not Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2052.67 2054.77 It's not very fashionable anymore. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2054.77 2056.03 But uh it's okay. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2056.25 2057.51 It's really ugly. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2057.44 2058.11 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2059.48 2060.69 Twenty six and a half. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2057.65 2059.48 Where did we start with price? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2059.58 2060.89 Maybe m make it bigger? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2060.89 2061.61 Or 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2061.39 2062.4 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2061.46 2061.86 Or not? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2064.12 2064.94 Or twenty six? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2064.94 2067.61 Something like that. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2069.8 2070.14 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2071.64 2074.06 That looks little bit more uh 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2075.4 2077.94 Maybe that's a s a special colour for it. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2077.94 2082.4 So we can make it uh special? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2075.48 2076.35 Oh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2077.81 2077.98 This? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2081.94 2082.54 What do you mean? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2083.82 2085.41 Like a other colour than this one? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2086.76 2087.37 I dunno. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2084.98 2086.76 Or or speckles in it? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2087.37 2087.7 Uh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2089.3 2090.23 Speckles? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2091.12 2094.89 Yeah can we do it uh uh can we do a print? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2095.63 2096.44 I'm not sure. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2096.76 2098.23 I think we have to choose, yeah? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2097.19 2099.52 I don't think so, if you see the options. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2099.52 2099.91 But 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2098.66 2099.29 Uh 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2104.08 2105.3 We do have special colour. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2102.85 2104.08 Okay special colour. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2106.67 2108.21 Does it mean uh that 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2106.96 2109.36 Yeah red is already a special colour, I think. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2109.36 2109.75 So 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2111.67 2114.01 It's not very special, but uh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2112.16 2113.69 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2113.59 2116.1 Shall we just give it some dots to make it look pretty? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2116.28 2116.55 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2117.41 2118.42 Purdy. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2122.06 2122.77 That's trendy. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2117.61 2122.06 Just uh put the purple uh purple on it. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2117.65 2117.98 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2117.98 2119.29 Some some big dots. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2120.16 2120.62 Purple? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2123.28 2123.61 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2123.69 2124.76 Yeah yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2128.77 2130.73 Oh no my remote has acne. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2128.98 2131.75 We have the original balance sheet, or Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2130.91 2131.77 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2132.46 2132.85 Woah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2134.83 2136.26 That's why we have that button. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2132.71 2134.83 No. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2142.49 2145.08 Oh yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2146.36 2147.77 It's so cute. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2148.12 2148.4 Hmm. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2149.39 2149.98 Oh what? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2150.71 2150.91 Doh. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2151.63 2153.66 Woah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2153.66 2154.31 Just cut. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2157.11 2157.86 Control Z. . 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2162.27 2163.29 Oh no. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2164.27 2165.19 Is that that? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2168.8 2169.12 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2165.38 2168.8 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2166.98 2168.23 No no. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2168.23 2168.56 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2169.94 2172.44 How the We did we do that? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2170.94 2172.62 Oh it's it's just one computer? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2172.62 2173.06 Or 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2172.4 2173.76 Just dual screen. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2174.6 2174.88 No. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2177.08 2179.52 But can we delete it, just with delete? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2179.52 2179.77 Or 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2180.26 2181.23 We can try. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2185.88 2187.14 It looks like it's 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2183.01 2185.88 That doesn't respond also to the undo. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2189.46 2190.06 Oh, no. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2187.57 2189.46 Crashed. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2189.39 2190.65 No, 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2190.09 2192.09 Very nice. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2191.36 2191.71 Okay. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2191.98 2193.78 Where do you want some more dots? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2194.23 2196.48 Yeah, over here. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2196.48 2196.63 Hmm? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2196.64 2199.48 You can't even draw anymore. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2199.48 2201.78 Even children can draw. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2202.94 2203.28 Or 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2199.53 2202.94 Y y you you you push the button or something. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2198.46 2199.53 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2199.48 2200 What's this? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2203.91 2207.3 Can you just push pen and then keep on 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2204.8 2205.53 Oh yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2206.65 2209.08 Oh that's the select button. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2209.08 2209.77 It's uh 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2209.32 2209.58 Hmm. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2219.01 2221.79 Okay, it's not the prettiest, I know. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2222.57 2223.48 No, it looks 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2222.96 2224.48 It's not so random huh? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2223.13 2224.1 Lot of options. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2224.52 2225.23 It's okay. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2227.9 2231.48 Specially the the R. . 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2229.9 2232.42 Yeah, the R. and another R. . 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2232.42 2233.96 It's called the Real Remote, right? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2231.85 2232.57 Yeah okay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2234.41 2234.71 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2237.44 2238.6 The Real Remote. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2235.51 2237.44 Maybe maybe it c it can say that. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2239.46 2242.55 Yeah just on the the m um the L. C. D. display. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2245 2246.07 Welcome. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2242.46 2245 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2246.19 2248.03 We can make a l a logo. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2246.58 2249.05 This is your Real Remote. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2250.15 2250.55 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2247.61 2250.15 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2250.16 2254.16 Like uh put it like the shape. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2251.35 2251.69 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2257.01 2260.73 D designed by Okay. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2259.98 2261.51 I mean it's not too uh 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2259.17 2259.98 Something like that. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2266.21 2267.67 That's not their logo, is it? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2268.48 2268.82 No. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2270.21 2271.89 Do they have a lo Oh, the here. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2271.89 2273.12 This i this is the logo. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2273.94 2274.34 It's a 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2273.19 2273.94 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2274.04 2275.84 Two R. s and a one 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2275.4 2275.86 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2279.62 2280.38 Initials. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2275.86 2279.62 You can just reuse that, because the name is the same. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2279.28 2281.52 You can copy and paste the picture if you want. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2282.83 2286.25 How Shall we do the logo in black or not? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2286.26 2286.89 Mm. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2286.8 2287.26 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2287.39 2287.73 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2295.08 2297.21 Look more Looks more like a campfire. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2292.52 2295.08 What is that? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2302.56 2303.07 This one? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2298.9 2302.56 Are you dissing my drawing? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2303.48 2304.73 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2305.28 2306.63 It looks like a ribbon. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2306.59 2307.73 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2308.88 2309.35 Okay. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2317.61 2318.88 This is actually quite fun. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2318.88 2320.11 Do we need to do anything? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2316.15 2317.61 So who wants to draw? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2323.55 2325.19 I hear you people are typing. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2324.64 2326.35 Uh Or 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2323.92 2324.64 Are we uh ready? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2327.79 2328.79 Type in your report. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2329.5 2330.31 Oh, okay. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2332.08 2334.08 I don't see any new messages. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2334.08 2334.69 So 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2334.35 2339.4 Luckily. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2339.4 2342.29 Yeah, it's uh Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2335.66 2336.4 Hmm? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2336.4 2337.17 Luckily, yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2338.94 2339.46 Or 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2337.41 2338.94 Is this uh the last assignment? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2341.39 2342.27 Final 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2342.59 2343.44 It's almost four. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2345.04 2347.35 What time do we have to deliver the report? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2347.35 2348.25 Four o'clock or 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2347.26 2349.54 At four, yeah,? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2349.32 2350.44 Or before that? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2358.71 2359.52 Just a minute. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2355.48 2356.46 Okay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2356.46 2358.71 And copy this. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2356.21 2357.87 Just compare uh 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2360.29 2361.71 This is really bizarre. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2362.8 2363.39 It's 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2363.15 2367.06 It looks like there's a It looks like a butterfly. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2366.82 2367.17 Bug. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2365.63 2366.82 Um bug. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2367.48 2368.91 It's somewhere 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2370.01 2372.19 I d It isn't inside. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2372.19 2374.38 Yeah, and don't know how it's or eject it. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2370.04 2372.14 No it's in inside the 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2373.19 2375.07 No it's on the on the beamer I guess. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2375.33 2378.82 No it Oh. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2376.19 2378.51 No, but it i It's not a bu a beamer. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2378.51 2381.71 B It's a normal T. V. screen, kind of thing. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2376.48 2377.31 From up there? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2378.48 2378.78 No. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2383.51 2384.47 So you have to uh 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2381.67 2383.51 Hey, you've got it uh read only. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2381.78 2383.21 Yeah it's somewhere in here. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2385.36 2386.33 Save copy. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2388.09 2388.61 Strange. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2387.67 2388.09 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2389.78 2394.34 This something what's projection from behind, I guess. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2391.73 2392.98 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2396.04 2398.23 It's too uh 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2399.6 2399.98 Oh. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2401.46 2403.46 Yeah there is some kind of projection I think. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2403.25 2403.96 Yes. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2409.67 2412.48 So it looks like a big screen, but in fact it isn't. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2403.4 2409.67 Yeah it it's a beamer, but then with a within a mirror, yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2408.17 2408.37 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2407.52 2408.17 Or something. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2406.04 2407.52 With a with a mirror, huh? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2413.17 2415.89 So are we gonna change anything to this? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2415.89 2417.23 I mean is it gonna 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2413.8 2414.27 It is 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2416.57 2418.48 Well it's it's single single curved. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2417.12 2418.89 Well 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2418.05 2419.37 It's now single curved. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2419.37 2419.82 So 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2420.66 2422.4 Th this is flat. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2422.4 2422.88 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2422.14 2422.92 Yeah exactly. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2420.91 2422.14 This is gonna be flat. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2422.19 2422.92 Oh no. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2421.23 2422.19 It's flat. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2425.31 2425.67 Okay. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2426.37 2427.3 It's it's 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2425.67 2426.37 It doesn't matter. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2426.55 2430.41 But it's it's better to have in the front, this kind of shape, because it looks nice. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2434.79 2436.84 I mean you see more of this than of that. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2438.23 2438.81 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2443.03 2444.14 Yeah, more like that. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2444.94 2446.02 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2447.75 2449.45 And this is also gonna be 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2457.52 2459.82 It's not very uh ideal. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2460.55 2460.91 Nope. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2462.42 2463.17 Do like this. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2462.94 2465.58 But sometimes then uh all of a sudden it does work. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2465.94 2466.37 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2469.27 2469.92 What's this? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2470.85 2473.5 That's the detector uh for the 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2473.98 2474.36 Ooh. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2474.49 2477.17 Okay. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2477.62 2478.95 Maybe 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2478.3 2480.14 But I don't see a detector over there. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2480.06 2480.44 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2480.44 2481.11 I don't know. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2480.33 2483.38 No it's I think you only need two points. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2483.38 2483.89 Or not. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2485.92 2486.39 No, you sh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2486.07 2491.19 I thought it was a kind of thing to put it on, and then draw right lines or something. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2489.98 2492.76 Maybe that's why it's it's not working, because it's more 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2495.94 2496.29 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2493.25 2495.94 Slanted yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2494.34 2494.55 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2495.48 2496.48 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2496.48 2499.78 Or just messed it up. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2500 2501 Well maybe. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2502.96 2503.55 Oh yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2501.73 2502.96 Oh. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2502.12 2506.76 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2503.52 2506.54 Yeah it it matters for the aim of this thing. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2505.71 2506.15 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2508.57 2510.54 Yeah but it wasn't good. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2514.5 2515.69 You've to make it s uh 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2517.31 2518.44 ninety degrees. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2521.76 2528.35 But th this one wasn't good, because if I was drawing here, I drew a line and then it came over here. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2518.73 2521.76 Yeah it it has to touch the corners, I guess. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2533.75 2536.55 Oh, five minutes to the end of the meeting. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2536.55 2541.44 And the recalibration is done using this icon here. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2526.7 2533.75 Um now you probably have to recalibrate. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2532.14 2533.82 You have 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2535.62 2535.98 Oh. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2535.98 2537.08 Oh we're always long. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2541.86 2544.23 Yeah, can we t can we get to that i 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2541.94 2542.48 Ooh. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2545.38 2547.6 Oh it's not working anymore. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2551.36 2552.19 It's working again. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2547.81 2551.36 Yeah yeah, it's it's okay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2547.88 2550.45 Yeah well I just 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2549.44 2551.51 Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, it's it's working, it's working. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2552.69 2553.39 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2557.82 2558.53 You go ahead. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2552.76 2557.82 Okay. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2553.37 2554.48 It's better than before. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2553.42 2554.67 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2556.46 2556.83 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2556.78 2557.9 We're improving uh Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2558.92 2560.73 Yeah that's improved uh pretty much. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2558.98 2559.27 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2561.71 2566.36 Yeah it's only a bit like to that side, but that is that one by the way. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2570.66 2575.25 So i if I change this, it will go there, if I change that, will go there. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2566.36 2570.66 'Cause this one makes the angle either like this. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2563.65 2563.96 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2565.79 2567.98 Yeah but it's better, it's better 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2566.64 2567.17 No it 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2573.3 2573.6 Mm. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2575.01 2575.21 No. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2575.21 2576.96 It's better than it was I guess. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2578.5 2581.33 I will take this away 'cause it looks messy. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2577.21 2578.5 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2580.33 2581.46 Silly. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2589.69 2591.71 Five minutes before the meeting's over. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2592.56 2593.67 We have to present 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2586.35 2586.94 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2586.94 2589.69 Works pretty well. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2591.71 2592.56 And then? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2592.78 2601.27 Then I have to uh uh write this, and I don't know if you have to present, because I didn't receive any information about that so far. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2590.92 2591.85 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2591.85 2592.78 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2600.88 2601.4 Alright. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2601.56 2602.28 Maybe we will. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2602.32 2604.46 Maybe we get a a final mail. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2602.48 2606.36 So it after the after after these five minutes, you have to 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2605.51 2606.92 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2606.92 2609.4 Yeah, I have still ten minutes to finish the report. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2608.31 2609.39 What's this anyway? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2609.55 2611.61 So cake. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2616.55 2617.37 And we uh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2610.03 2611.71 Alright. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2611.71 2616.55 After after that five minutes, you have ten minutes to finish it, or Alright. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2613.23 2614.75 It looks like candle wax. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2615.21 2615.44 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2624.75 2628.26 You can just if you ma finish my presentation please. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2617.73 2624.75 And you can uh just uh relax and uh have cup of coffee or oh no, they don't have beer here so you can't celebrate. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2620.38 2620.88 Right. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2620.88 2621.56 Chill. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2623.14 2623.72 Huh. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2629.66 2630.43 Uh over there. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2629.75 2631.05 Uh Yeah? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2633.11 2635.39 So if you finish that then you'll see uh 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2631.46 2633.11 The presentation is still open. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2637.36 2638.23 Yeah next. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2638.45 2639.33 Next slide. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2643.82 2645.89 Just uh do that quickly. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2640.83 2643.82 Oh yeah, we have to do the project uh evaluation. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2645.89 2646.38 Uh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2645.3 2646.6 Yeah? 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2646.6 2647.34 How do you do it? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2647.49 2651.45 Uh well basically what that says, we discuss it and um 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2652.09 2653.51 Alright. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2656.27 2659.94 Did you, were you all pleased with the process as it was? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2652.62 2656.27 So how were did the project process uh go? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2659.94 2660.7 Or are there uh 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2660.08 2663.59 Uh th uh do you mean the the interaction between us? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2663.59 2664.21 Or 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2663.04 2666.79 Yeah the interaction and the steps we followed, and and so forth. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2678.98 2681.14 And the third time yeah, I mean 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2669.66 2671.76 Because it went a bit fast. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2666.89 2669.66 Yeah well at first I was really stressed. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2671.76 2678.98 But then as I knew the tempo that I had to be on, the second time I think I did a bit better. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2670.01 2670.43 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2678.27 2678.73 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2678.77 2679.02 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2698.98 2705.12 and you have a k a kind of idea what you can expect on the next half hour when you have to work on your own. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2680.45 2687.07 And we move more to to working together as team, because at first you you make your individual contribution,
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2687.07 2691.26 and then come here, and you have no idea what the others have to make. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2705.12 2705.71 So 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2691.26 2692.73 And then finally you have some idea 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2692.73 2698.98 okay this is gonna w this is what we gonna make together and okay I will arrange this and you will arrange that 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2681.03 2681.44 No. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2683.95 2684.35 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2689.41 2689.86 No. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2690.63 2691.6 Yeah, yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2697.76 2698.14 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2706.69 2711.03 The process, I mean, the interaction between us became better and better I guess. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2706.71 2707.4 Yeah we 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2706.78 2707.2 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2710.44 2710.88 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2710.88 2712.59 Especially after the first meeting. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2710.85 2711.18 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2711.15 2711.6 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2713.03 2719.97 Yeah, especially if f f if you see uh you se you saw the largest difference from the first to the second meeting I guess. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2713.11 2713.81 And 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2718.2 2718.37 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2719.31 2719.9 Definitely. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2718.61 2719.31 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2720.71 2723.21 Okay and was that due to my leadership? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2723.95 2725.32 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2725.39 2730.46 Well you did become more assertive the the second time round, so that Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2730.46 2732.71 You were more in charge kind of thing. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2728.78 2729 Yeah? 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2729.26 2729.49 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2729.74 2730.08 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2730.18 2730.61 That okay? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2735.35 2739.16 Um was there uh enough room for creativity? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2732.79 2735.35 Okay. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2739.39 2740.21 I guess so. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2739.92 2740.31 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2740.74 2745.64 Yeah but only the the financial parts uh Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2741.21 2741.84 I mean 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2744.36 2746.97 Li Limiteded afterwards, but 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2753.31 2760.7 Also not only the drawing and the the making of the thing itself, but also in explaining it to the other people, by means of uh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2748.36 2753.31 If if you don't take that into account, there's plenty of room for creativ creativity. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2751.45 2751.97 I 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2761 2762.6 We were pretty democratic. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2761.7 2764.92 the the board and uh PowerPoint and Word and stuff like that. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2764.48 2769.4 So and the uh about the board digital pen? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2769.4 2771.65 Uh was that helpful or 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2770.36 2770.47 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2772.53 2775.34 Mm uh I think in in essence 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2772.74 2773.13 Ooh. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2776.43 2779.17 the digital pen is better than the SMARTboard. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2791.42 2795.58 So it it's better a better device than uh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2781.23 2786.05 I mean uh uh I've made yeah, uh I've made several notes just to test it,
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2786.05 2791.42 and and just put the pen in into it, and then it came onto my screen and it looked perfectly. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2779.17 2781.23 Because it it it just works better. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2781.3 2782.54 Yeah it works. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2791.07 2791.53 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2792.15 2792.5 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2796.53 2798.35 Maybe Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2796.63 2797.74 than the screen. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2797.74 2801.11 But the screen is useful, in essence, but it doesn't work that well. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2800.89 2805.86 It's uh it's The the pen is more intuitive, 'cause we're all used to writing with pen. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2814.17 2819.27 But once I get to know the program probably, I mean, it looks better, you know. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2819.27 2820.54 Or uh something like that. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2820.54 2821.02 You can 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2809.64 2814.17 so will take me half a day to be able to make a normal PowerPoint presentation. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2805.86 2809.64 And uh as I said, uh I uh have no idea how PowerPoint works 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2804.4 2806.24 Use the pen. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2813.15 2813.62 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2822.5 2825.35 give it a kind of a home style, like we have i 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2826.51 2828.43 the the logo and everything. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2828.43 2830.52 And I don't know. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2827.96 2828.47 Yeah yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2829.47 2829.78 Yep. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2833.94 2834.21 Oh. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2833.13 2833.94 Blink. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2834.4 2834.79 Warning. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2834.79 2835.78 Finish meeting now. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2834.98 2835.7 Finish meeting. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2840.42 2841.58 All I think 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2835.51 2840.42 Okay, are are there any new ideas about this? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2842.26 2843.61 I didn't really receive, yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2842.26 2850.57 Well, it It's use especially useful, I guess, to to evaluate designs and graph graphical stuff. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2850.88 2853.79 Uh uh w uh S sorry uh 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2851.9 2852.47 And and 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2854.63 2856.28 the screen and stuff like that. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2856.74 2857.03 Mm-hmm. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2864.21 2868.26 The drawing board has to be integrated into PowerPoint, so that you can just easily 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2862.45 2864.21 It has to be uh yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2856.84 2859.43 I think the PowerPoint is is too limited. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2859.43 2862.45 You can't uh draw easy in in PowerPoint. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2868.35 2868.7 Yeah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2876 2881.47 You know, you can draw something on the sketch-board and then take it there, or whatever. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2869.14 2876 Yeah the the the problem with PowerPoint for me is that you have to i put in the pre-made chunks c as well. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2875.62 2875.93 Yeah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2876.07 2876.57 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2877.59 2878.06 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2882.75 2888.1 But it it's useful to to show something to to an a small audience, and then to 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2881.71 2882.75 Yeah. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2885.96 2889.17 Yeah just for text, for text it's uh it's okay. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2889.17 2889.74 But 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2889.56 2890.35 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2893.48 2894.02 So 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2890.35 2893.48 These these kind of screens this size are useful to discuss things. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2894.7 2897.38 Oh. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2897.38 2902.73 Uh we should uh enter our questionnaire. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2896.77 2897.66 Check your email. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2895.76 2896.77 Yes. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2904.12 2909.68 You also. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2909.39 2909.81 'Kay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2916.02 2916.4 Ah. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2921.13 2923.11 Woah. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2927.63 2928.25 Alright. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2927.7 2928.25 Right. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2931.41 2931.87 Uh okay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2929.69 2931.41 Okay. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2931.33 2931.72 Okay. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2932.17 2932.69 Alright. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2934.36 2935.46 Yes boss. 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2937.28 2940.53 Well, s see you in a second huh? 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2937.94 2940.1 That's the management. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2944.34 2944.6 Yeah. 
TS3006d H03 MTD024ME 2939.84 2944.34 Well see you soon. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2942.14 2942.4 Oh. 
TS3006d H01 MTD023UID 2943.15 2943.54 Okay. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2943.26 2943.81 Hope so. 
TS3006d H00 MTD021PM 2946.22 2947.96 Um 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2946.9 2949.26 Yeah we have to pull it this way, huh? 
TS3006d H02 MTD022ID 2949.26 2949.5 Wait. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 13.95 14.16 Hi. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 14.71 15.2 Hi. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 15.74 16.25 Hello. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 17.61 17.79 Oh. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 41.74 42.36 Good morning. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 42.79 43.27 Good morning. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 42.89 43.35 Morning. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 43.38 43.85 Good morning. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 50.76 54.19 uh because we're uh being watched by uh Big Brother. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 54.19 56.64 So um Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 44.8 50.76 Uh before I start with the with the meeting I have a few things to tell you about the the setting we're in 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 62.6 66.3 This thing uh that looks like a pie, are actually all microphones. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 56.64 58.36 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 58.36 62.6 This uh These are cameras, so are these. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 55.46 56.38 By Big Brother? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 57.62 58.02 Okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 62.45 62.66 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 64.9 65.15 Yeah. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 67.3 67.95 Okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 77.08 82.49 And that has to do with the camera settings, so we don't have our uh laptops in front of the cameras. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 67.84 71.48 So you must be careful with uh with uh all this. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 71.48 77.08 And uh as I can see you uh you have placed your laptops uh exactly on the place where it must be. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 82.68 83.46 Of our faces. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 84.39 85.83 And Indeed. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 85.83 88.25 So they can see our faces. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 88.25 88.87 Okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 105.81 108.12 Welcome at the kick-off meeting. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 108.12 109.63 My name is uh Danny Wolfs. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 115.23 121.39 Uh I will introduce myself, uh and uh I think it's very uh good to introduce uh yourself. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 113.75 115.23 Uh first a little opening. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 110.83 113.75 Uh this is the agenda for today. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 121.97 126.82 Uh then uh a little bit of acquaintance, acquaintance to uh to to ourselves. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 128.9 134.16 Uh that will be done uh with a tool training from the he these two uh smart boards. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 126.82 128.9 So uh we get to know each other. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 135.61 138.21 What we're going to do, and how we're going to do it. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 138.21 141.46 Uh and discussion about that and a little closing at the end. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 134.78 135.61 Then the project plan. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 142.62 145.34 Okay uh, my name is uh Danny Wolfs. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 145.34 147.22 I'm the Project Manager. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 147.22 147.75 What's your name? 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 149.1 150.63 I'm the User Interface Designer. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 148.07 149.1 I'm Juergen Toffs. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 150.76 151.94 User interface, okay. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 152.44 153.58 Hi, my name's uh. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 153.58 156.44 I'm the Industrial Designer. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 156.47 157.79 Industrial, yes. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 158.94 162.15 Um my function is the Marketing Expert. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 157.53 158.94 I'm uh Tim. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 162.28 163.16 Okay, thank you. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 164.82 166.22 First a little about the project aim. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 173.61 178.24 It's a very uh, yeah, very uh ambitious uh company. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 170.7 173.61 Uh maybe you have read uh read the website. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 166.22 170.7 Uh the the the aim is to make a new remote control. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 194.37 198.04 And they have uh Yeah, that's uh very important uh for them. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 178.95 181.52 They uh they wanna do something else. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 184.52 188.72 Uh first of all uh it must be original, uh and trendy. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 192.32 194.37 But at the same time uh user-friendly. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 181.52 184.52 I w Uh there must be a new remote control. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 188.72 192.32 That's two things really uh close to each other. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 215.86 216.99 How are going to do it? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 214.26 215.86 Then the conceptual design. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 201.74 203.45 There is a functional design. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 199.68 201.74 Uh there are three stages. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 203.45 206.88 So uh what are we going uh to uh to do? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 206.88 212.25 What are we going to uh uh make f uh kind of functions in the remote? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 212.25 214.26 And why are we going to do it? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 218.2 220.69 And that's uh really global. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 220.69 225.32 Uh because at the detailed design, how, part two 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 225.32 233.19 uh we go uh to dig in uh really about how the the te the technical of If it's uh it's possible technical-wise. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 234.58 244.68 Uh each stage is uh uh is broken up in two uh two stages, individual work and a meeting. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 244.68 246.91 So it's uh it's very straightforward. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 249.8 252.09 We have two smart boards. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 269.85 271.75 This is called a smart board 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 252.09 259.67 This one is for the presentations, the PowerPoint presentations or the Word presentation of whatever you uh you had. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 247.95 249.8 Okay, the tool training. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 259.67 264.3 Uh and this is uh only for uh drawing. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 264.3 269.85 So uh we uh must let it uh stand on this uh this programme. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 272.38 274.76 Speaks for itself. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 277.01 284.01 Um and as you uh may have heard, the documents in the shared folder uh can be uh showed on this screen. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 284.01 285.58 Not in y the the My Documents. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 273.06 277.01 thing uh Yeah, it speaks for itself. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 285.58 288.44 So if you wanna show something, put it in the shared folder. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 290.03 290.99 Uh 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 292.33 297.92 This uh is very straightforward, with the save, the print, the undo, the blank, the select, the pen. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 297.92 303.08 Well, I don't uh gonna explain it all, because I think you know uh how it works. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 311.39 313.42 We we may not delete anything. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 303.87 311.39 Um we must not forget uh everything we draw on here, uh all must be saved. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 316.7 317.64 Never delete it. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 313.42 316.7 So uh if you have uh drawn something, save it. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 317.64 319.42 That's a very important uh thing. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 322.67 327.33 Uh little uh little kinda exercise to uh know each other. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 321.47 322.67 Okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 333.18 343.49 Every uh every one of us uh must draw our favourite animal, and uh tell uh tell us why we uh had uh chosen that animal. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 328.54 333.18 At uh the white board on the left. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 350.73 351.41 Widths. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 351.41 352.62 Widths. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 344.53 350.73 Uh important is that we use different colours, and uh different pen widths. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 352.62 353.05 Yes? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 351.86 353.18 I have a question. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 353.18 361.49 Um this exercise, um did the company board tell you to do it, or uh did you just make it up yourself? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 355.28 355.64 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 362.07 365.74 It's uh it's uh I I I must do it. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 376.38 377.34 That kind of thing. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 366.69 369.66 'Cause we uh really don't know each other, and uh it's kinda new. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 369.66 376.38 So getting used to each other, we can uh have a little fun then, before we uh dig in really to the hard stuff. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 365.74 366.69 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 361.5 362.07 No no no. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 377.34 380.04 Would you start with drawing your uh favourite animal? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 364.9 366.66 It's part of the introduction, okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 373.97 376.18 Okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 382.97 385.15 But maybe you can show us first? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 381.38 382.97 I don't know really how it works. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 379.11 381.38 Um, yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 389.52 392.77 Do not touch your hand on uh this little uh thingy here. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 384.73 386.9 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 386.9 389.52 Drawing goes with uh this thing. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 393.78 396.03 So hold it uh like this. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 392.77 393.78 That's uh important. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 383.53 384.73 Okay, okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 395.66 397.64 You g you get electrocuted or 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 400.57 403.01 So, um 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 398.02 400.57 Yeah, kinda. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 406.89 409.46 Because And uh wait uh wait a few seconds. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 409.46 413.29 It's not uh fully real-time, so uh watch it. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 404.12 406.89 You must p p uh push a little uh Good. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 412.38 413.19 Ach. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 418.83 419.21 Oh yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 421.49 425.4 Well I'm gonna paint in the red. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 426.2 426.74 Ooph. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 426.53 427.38 Oh. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 427.38 429.77 That's the background colour. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 431.63 432.33 Well, undo. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 435.24 435.96 Um 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 438.82 439.66 The pen? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 446.07 446.4 No. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 449.35 450.71 One minute please. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 460.69 461.71 Yeah, that's the one. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 468.13 469.9 Well, five. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 469.9 470.41 Okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 474.52 477.23 My favourite animal huh? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 477.49 480.25 It's like Pictionary? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 480.43 482.17 Yeah, you can guess what it is. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 481.39 485.27 The the one who says it first gets a raise. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 485.36 488.01 May uh paint uh next. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 495.03 497.86 It's a pork? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 496.01 498.53 No, it's not an orc. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 500.26 501.95 You don't see it uh at the ears? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 502.69 504.22 Mm yeah, I have it at home. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 506.45 507.46 You have an orc at home? 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 507.76 508.82 Very artistic. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 509.47 509.91 Thank you. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 512.2 513.8 So it's a cat. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 514.79 515.41 What's it called? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 516.23 517.48 Simba. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 520.24 523.37 'Cause he looks like the uh the the lion from The Lion King. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 517.48 520.24 'Cause uh we have a cat at home and he's called Simba. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 517.2 517.47 Ah. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 520.27 520.74 Okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 523.76 526.29 Miniature size? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 525.38 528.47 So we uh found it kinda cool to uh name it after a lion. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 528.57 528.85 Okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 539.8 541.16 He's happy with us, so uh 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 542.83 543.41 he's smiling. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 543.91 544.25 Wow. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 545.39 547.03 He does have body uh 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 547.64 548.91 Huh. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 548.73 551.5 Because we have we have twen twenty five minutes. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 551.5 553.95 So we uh Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 547.76 548.73 No, only the face. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 551.48 552.48 Okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 552.48 553.3 We have to speed up. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 555.88 559.96 Remember you use uh different colours, and different pen widths. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 560.04 560.38 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 561.57 563.12 Okay, who wants to go next? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 565.3 565.99 I Okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 566.44 566.7 Yeah? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 567.88 571.45 So choose a colour, choose a pen width and draw a 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 575.16 575.54 Or 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 571.07 575.16 You don't have to change the colour and the pen width during uh the drawing. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 573.22 573.65 Save it. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 575.33 575.54 Yeah. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 575.66 576.37 You have to save it. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 576.74 577.7 Save it, okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 579.29 579.65 New? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 578.11 579.29 I've done it. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 583.52 583.86 'Kay. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 589.96 592.48 You have to draw uh push hard on the pen or uh 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 592.66 593.24 Mm uh 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 596.21 597.21 Um 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 594.55 596.21 Not really. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 596.26 597.34 Kind of firm touch. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 598.89 599.41 That one. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 599.74 600.15 Uh hmm. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 599.52 599.74 Oh. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 609.73 610.27 Yeah? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 613.44 613.77 Okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 617.67 618.19 Open. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 620.01 620.77 Which one is it? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 626.79 628.04 Okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 625.41 626.79 Smart board? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 628.04 628.63 And now? 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 627.27 627.66 Okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 627.3 627.58 Yeah. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 638.1 638.46 Okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 639.54 640.33 Okay, thanks. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 643.99 645.26 'Kay, I've speed up. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 646.66 647.54 'Kay, that's fine. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 649.59 650.03 Line width. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 650.55 652.33 By the way, why was your cat uh red? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 653.03 655.79 Because uh my cat is red uh at home. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 655.79 658.79 And I have red hair, so uh must be red. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 654.53 655.55 Oh, okay. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 654.57 655.08 Oh. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 656.46 657.87 Oh, yeah, sure. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 656.86 658.36 It's a very bloody cat. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 659.52 660.57 It's a frog. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 661.37 662.5 No, it's a turtle. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 662.22 665.93 Uh it's an apple. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 666.77 668.43 It's not an apple. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 669.5 672.49 Must be a dog. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 672.49 674.05 Yeah. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 671.79 673.29 A dog? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 674.82 675.04 Hmm. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 678.5 679.77 Colour. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 681.46 682.98 Something like this. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 685.27 685.84 Smaller. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 688.76 689 Huh? 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 690.63 691.8 Oh, it is a turtle. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 693.65 694.02 Why? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 692.86 693.65 Why a turtle? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 694.02 694.37 Tim? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 692.03 692.86 It is a turtle. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 695.61 696.26 Um 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 697.09 699.28 'Cause I liked Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 703.01 703.92 You watched it a lot? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 699.35 703.01 You watched it a lot? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 702.48 702.78 Uh? 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 704.36 705.71 It's uh inside its shell. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 705.71 707.35 You'll be uh finished sooner. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 706.8 707.82 No, it's uh 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 708.52 709.49 It's a scared turtle. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 712.05 713.01 It's coming up. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 710.69 712.05 No no. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 715.78 715.96 Mm. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 719.29 719.47 Uh. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 722.25 722.71 Wow. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 731.05 732.99 Okay, Tim. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 732.99 734.93 Thank you. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 732.48 733.31 Something like this. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 733.31 736.8 Okay, you know Very artistic. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 737.16 738.6 Jurgen, you want to go next? 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 739.11 740.51 Yes. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 741.44 742.52 Wha Thank you. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 740.51 741.44 Okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 741.37 741.78 Yeah? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 745.65 746.06 Here you go. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 746.26 746.59 Yeah. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 748.96 749.64 Um 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 753.46 754.45 How did it work? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 755.44 756.06 Format? 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 756.66 757.31 Performance? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 757.15 759.86 And then you have the the current colour, you can change. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 761.84 763.44 So no red or green. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 763.56 764.31 And a pen? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 764.72 766.74 And uh line uh width. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 767.87 768.59 I had five. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 768.59 772.35 Tim had Uh Tim, what kinda line width did you have? 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 769.77 770.82 Um 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 771.87 774.27 Uh the big lines were like nine. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 777.14 777.86 It's a dog. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 776.69 777.14 Okay. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 778.25 779.03 Well, very good. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 779.03 783.17 I just uh thought I'd pick the easiest one. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 778.61 780.56 Uh. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 782.21 783.07 Okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 783.07 783.76 Why a dog? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 783.76 784.61 You have a dog at home? 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 791.98 792.81 But uh 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 787.4 791.98 And and it, yeah, when it died we didn't get a new one or something. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 784.53 787.4 Well, we had a dog, a few years ago. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 785.76 786.19 Uh, it's p 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 785.88 787.35 Had a dog? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 787.35 787.64 Yeah? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 791.35 791.75 Ah. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 791.87 793.23 It's pretty good uh 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 795.1 797.77 You have an artistic uh inner middle. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 798.52 800.11 An artist. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 801.19 803.65 Uh a Graphical User Designer, so 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 804.04 804.19 Hmm. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 804.58 804.76 Hey. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 806.31 809.02 Think you uh picked the wrong uh function. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 810.38 811.02 Wrong job. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 811.96 813.14 Oh. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 815.85 816.61 Ah colour. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 815.12 815.85 Can work together. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 814.21 815.12 No. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 821.67 825.74 So I think you can see it's real uh really a easy programme to use. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 825.74 826.84 Not difficult at all. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 827.25 827.49 Wha 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 832 834.12 Well, it's okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 833.3 835.96 Okay, thank you. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 834.49 838.56 That's enough, thanks. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 837.09 838.27 Janus? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 838.27 838.87 The last one? 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 837.62 838.64 Yeah, sure. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 839.28 840 Yeah. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 842.96 843.72 Uh thanks. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 844.6 845.26 I wonder. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 845.97 846.64 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 846.64 849.1 After a cat, a turtle and a dog. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 851.44 853.9 I think he's gonna draw an elephant. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 854.32 859.04 I figure I should do something like that, but I'm gonna do something much more difficult. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 859.2 859.75 Uh-oh. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 859.56 860.73 Uh-oh. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 860.73 862.88 Oh, he is the artistic design. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 864.72 869.34 I'm gonna design a remote uh remote control animal. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 866.67 868.83 Remote control animal. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 867.81 873.31 Exactly. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 873.31 873.79 Uh 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 873.34 873.76 Sorry. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 870.52 873.34 Oh. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 878.17 883 Well with the interface, it might be easier to ha to draw here and display there uh. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 882.03 882.33 Yeah. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 887.45 888.57 That that might be easier. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 888.57 894.72 But at the other hand, uh a pen like that is easy to hold in your hand, and 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 895.63 895.93 No. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 899.21 901.23 With a pen than with a mouse mouse. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 898.62 899.21 Yeah. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 896.45 898.62 I think it's easier to draw. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 897.53 899.55 Better to draw with a with 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 905.72 907.73 And then displaying on screen, but 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 899.64 905.72 Than on the, with Yeah, I m I mean like uh like on here, drawing drawing uh. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 903.07 903.53 Mouth. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 906.12 906.41 Yeah. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 906.41 909.86 W with this paper it's too mu too expensive. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 904.84 906.12 Oh, okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 909.79 910.55 Is it a rabbit? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 907.78 909.79 But what is he uh? 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 909.28 910.58 Too expensive, yeah. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 914.23 914.73 No. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 911.25 914.23 Yes. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 912.39 913.51 Do you have a rabbit at home? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 914.79 918.89 It's a rabbit with uh broken legs? 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 915.32 916.17 A green rabbit. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 917.13 919.78 No. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 917.74 920.96 Is it a white rabbit f It's the white rabbit from The Matrix. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 921.17 924.13 Yeah, exactly. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 922.14 923.17 Okay, then yeah. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 922.7 924.3 There, the g white green rabbit. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 925.59 925.73 So. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 926.49 930.63 He's a little bit stoned there. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 929.9 934.83 Uh I figured this is a pretty b good impression of a rabbit. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 935.22 935.42 Yeah. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 936.57 937.18 It will do. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 936.58 936.94 Uh uh 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 937.89 938.8 Uh well. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 939.54 941.4 Finishing touch and then we're going further. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 939.01 939.54 Okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 945.14 945.97 Project Manager? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 945.97 946.97 Uh 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 946.55 947.04 Yeah? 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 947.38 948.13 Where does the pen go? 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 948.13 948.94 Just uh 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 948.35 950.94 Have you been uh counting the time? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 951.65 953.2 Yeah, a little. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 952.47 952.75 Okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 956.87 957.72 Let's go on then. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 961.34 965.26 Well, I think the dog is the the most uh artistic. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 963.66 967.07 Uh I figured the rabbit was actually the most uh impressive. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 970.11 973.94 Okay, now we're gonna dig into the to the serious stuff. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 967.91 968.9 Don't choose for youself. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 968.9 970.11 That's selfish. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 968.25 970.09 Oh, sorry. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 970.6 971.86 It's pretty abstract. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 985.8 993.35 So uh from my point of view, I don't think it's uh gonna be very uh very high tech, high definition,
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 993.35 1000.37 uh ultra modern uh kinda remote, for twelve uh fift uh twelve and a half Euro. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 974.26 985.8 Uh the selling price for the remote will be uh twenty five Euro, and the production cost uh may not be more than uh twenty and a half Euro. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1000.59 1007.17 Uh the profit we must make with uh the new remote is uh fifty million 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1008.26 1009.18 Euro. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1009.89 1011.48 We have to sell uh a lot of uh 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1009.18 1009.89 So that's a lot. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1012.97 1014.85 Hundred million uh remotes or something? 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1011.51 1012.97 Yeah, how much is it? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1012.37 1013.13 Like how much? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1014.38 1022.23 Uh I think uh w when the selling price is twenty five, uh uh you got two million, two million remotes. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1026.02 1029.68 So we have uh virtually the whole world we can sell uh 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1022.23 1026.02 But our marketing range is uh, market range is international. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1018.01 1018.34 Oh yeah. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 1018.14 1018.78 Twenty million. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 1020.71 1022.12 Two million, oh yeah, two million. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 1022.12 1022.46 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1033.28 1038.08 At least that uh countries which have uh a television. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1030.88 1033.28 we can sell our r remotes to. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1036.23 1036.51 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1040.46 1041.16 Um 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1052.24 1056.57 What you think might be uh a useful uh new feature. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1042.25 1047.06 So now it's time uh for us to uh going uh to discuss a little uh things. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1047.06 1052.24 You can think about uh experience with a remote control uh yourself, at home. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1056.57 1061.53 What uh what can distinguish our new trendy remote control from all the others. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1062.72 1067.59 Um so uh let's uh let's uh discuss a little. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1067.59 1069.13 I'm gonna join you at the table. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1071.95 1077.26 Well what what's the most uh important thing at a remote control? 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1083.14 1087.4 And my opinion is you should keep it as basic as possible. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1077.74 1083.14 Um well I think the most important thing of a remote control is that you can switch channels. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1087.4 1087.74 Uh 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1086.96 1087.69 Okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1087.69 1097.71 So not a not a remote control who uh uh which can uh can be used for television and a D. V. D. and radio and Or just only 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1096.58 1096.95 Yeah. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1098 1098.73 I think so. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1100.01 1102.67 Can I show them on the on the big screen? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1102.67 1103.02 Maybe? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1098.73 1100.01 Uh but I have some points. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1102.45 1105 If you have them on uh I can uh 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1105.18 1106.47 Yeah, I can find Uh. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1103.99 1105.18 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1106.08 1106.78 Okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1118.79 1120.25 Oh, in case you want it 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1122.76 1126.33 Between the the the, yeah, the the uh 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1121.41 1122.76 This is a dead kind of fly. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1128.47 1128.8 Okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1127.16 1128.47 Screen? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1127.7 1129.31 Yeah, be The screens. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1129.1 1132.65 Is it possible to open pen drawings in this uh on this screen? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1132.72 1136.12 Only All the drawings go there, at the left uh 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1131.52 1132.72 No no no. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1136.92 1140.33 Uh but um which The ones we made on the 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1149.41 1149.72 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1140.33 1142.05 Oh, that pen drawings. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1142.05 1149.41 Uh no, I think uh when it is uh in Word and you have saved it in the Shared Documents folder, you can show it there. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1148.43 1149.67 Oh, only in Word, okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1153.44 1160.3 Um just the standard thing li things like uh intuitive, uh small, fairly cheap. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1150.02 1153.44 Okay, I have some uh points from marketing point of view. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1163.08 1165.07 Uh brand independent. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1172.08 1172.49 Um 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1160.3 1163.08 Uh it's pretty cheap, twenty five Euros. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1165.07 1172.08 Um I think, it doesn't have to matter uh which brand your T. V. or other thing is. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1153.02 1153.36 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1170.68 1171.08 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1174.29 1176.19 Five minutes. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1176.19 1176.49 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1173.44 1174.29 Okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1187.34 1197.31 And uh by making it multi-purpose, it uh has a new feature, adds a new feature to the market, and distinguish from uh from current products. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1177.67 1181.91 Um I personally think it has to be multi-purpose. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1181.91 1187.34 Uh most of the remote c uh remote controls are uh just for one purpose. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1175.25 1175.91 Five minutes? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1175.91 1177.67 Okay, I'll wrap it up quickly. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1182.27 1182.56 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1187.16 1187.53 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1197.29 1197.9 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1201.38 1209.5 Uh I rather find it very annoying um, like when someone is standing in front of the T. V. then you can't switch it. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1197.82 1201.38 Um maybe some other technology than infrared. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1209.5 1214.83 Um think about um sending it over radio waves or bluetooth. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1215.44 1216.14 Okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1214.49 1215.44 Okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1216.01 1219.2 That might be a little bit uh expensive. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1219.2 1219.83 Um 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1221.27 1223.6 And something like an L. C. D. screen. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1224.83 1225.74 For what purpose? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1226.26 1229.04 Um uh like I said here um 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1236.14 1241.44 when you're on a certain channel, you can see on the L. C. D. screen uh what programmes are coming up or 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1231.42 1236.14 It's nice as an added feature feature, that um,
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1230.05 1231.42 Maybe it's easy. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1240.58 1241.04 Okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1242.36 1248.84 So it be uh a multi-purpose uh very technically uh high uh 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1249.44 1250.8 From my point of view, yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1250.05 1251.29 remote? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1251.29 1255.09 Yeah, it must be really uh innovative, technical-wise? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1255.25 1256.6 Yeah, it has to be uh 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1258.68 1260.83 Yeah, our company is very uh 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1263.22 1267.69 good in making new innovative uh things. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1265.44 1265.79 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1269.79 1275 So we must focus on things who are really uh really add something to uh to 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1268.07 1269.79 So yeah, I I agree with you. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1268.39 1269.4 We 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1268.83 1270.05 So i i i i 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1275.04 1276.19 To the current market. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1276.16 1276.51 Yeah. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1277.38 1280.75 Look, you got some cheap uh remote controls there. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1282.08 1283.29 They just uh 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1284.83 1286.1 Yeah, you got a dozen of 'em. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1286.13 1286.45 No. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1287.35 1290.92 But when you enter a new market with a remote control and 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1290.08 1290.43 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1292.33 1295.29 uh wanna gain market share 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1295.41 1295.71 Yeah. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1296.35 1298.57 you have to do something special, I think. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1297.8 1298.28 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1310.05 1316.56 Uh but we must not uh lose uh sight of the the user uh uh friendly uh 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1299.38 1304.38 But we have to keep an eye that it's Uh at the beginning of such a project,
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1304.38 1310.05 it's it's it's very uh cool to talk about, well, this would be cool, that would be cool. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1309.4 1309.59 Yeah. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1317.91 1321.53 But it's But but this is just from marketing uh aspect. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1316.66 1317.91 Yeah, of course. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1317.48 1319.46 And and the price. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1322.7 1323.38 Okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1320.72 1321.74 Yeah okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1321.74 1322.7 Yeah. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1322.55 1326.76 I don't know anything about user interface or design. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1323.87 1325.18 Okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1326.28 1328.81 And that's because we have him. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 1328.32 1332.3 And and him. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1329.4 1329.89 And him. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1345.95 1353.39 Um the the the Industrial uh Designer has to uh look at the working design. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1332.84 1335.94 Okay, uh next meeting will start in thirty minutes. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1335.94 1345.95 So uh you uh will have uh individual actions where I presume uh will be some feedback, uh via the m the mail. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1354.56 1359.87 Uh the User Interface Designer has to look at the technical functions. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1362.83 1363.31 Yeah? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1359.87 1362.83 So that's the thing we uh discussed. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1361.09 1366.88 Um one thing uh, we must first agree on uh what we're going to m going to make. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1366.88 1371.05 Do we Are we going to use um it it for multiple systems? 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1360.48 1361.09 Yeah. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1371.05 1373.8 Or uh We should have some agreement on that before we 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1374.54 1376.2 Um wha 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1373.26 1374.54 Okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1375.81 1380.19 Mm uh I I don't think we have to be, we have to agree on that. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1380.19 1380.72 Uh 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 1382.88 1385.35 I figure we could get back to it on the next meeting actually. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1387.91 1389.84 Ju just uh 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1386.01 1387.91 That's a phase further. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1383.11 1386.01 I think th that's a pha Yeah. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1386.29 1386.98 Okay. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 1387.16 1387.49 Yeah. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1395.12 1396.41 And and then we can plan 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1391.04 1395.12 make some mock-ups, some some general ideas. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1394.69 1395.69 Ah okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1398.54 1398.86 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1399.04 1399.39 Yeah. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1400.84 1402.76 We can plan further, I think. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1402.26 1402.62 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1404.34 1409.54 But maybe, because uh you are working on the user requirements, you are working on the technical functions 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1409.54 1418.17 we uh must uh have a little or kinda uh uh uh How do you call it? 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1418.17 1418.8 Uh 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1418.07 1420.23 Consensus on the, what we're gonna do. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1419.79 1422.23 Uh a little plan on on what we're going to do. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1422.23 1429.45 So you don't uh uh come up with the user requirements who don't fit the the the the technical functions at all. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1434.33 1436.56 Uh I think that's well uh Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1431.04 1434.33 Some basic things we co we want to going to do. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1437.64 1438.36 Will come in handy. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1439.03 1439.66 Mm yeah. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1444.85 1445.8 You're the Project Manager. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1443.76 1444.85 You decide. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1443.09 1443.76 I don't know. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1443.35 1443.48 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1444.45 1445.08 Okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1446.47 1447.8 W He says 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1454.9 1458.49 Or uh will it be with uh with bluetooth or 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1453.01 1454.9 Or do we use it a text screen? 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1447.33 1453.01 Well yeah, if the technical functions have to be designed, I I've gotta know for what kind of machines they will be. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1452.24 1452.64 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1460.27 1466.93 But if you say uh is it uh uh one way or multi-purpose, that's a 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1457.89 1460.27 Well, th that's that's really a step further. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1460.43 1460.96 Okay. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1465.76 1466.08 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1466.3 1468.02 Uh tha that's a same step further. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 1468.6 1469.68 Yeah, actually it is. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1468.82 1469.13 Why? 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1469.62 1469.8 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1470.8 1471.07 Why? 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 1470.81 1474.9 Then looking at individual components, so that's actually a f step further. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1471.94 1472.07 Uh. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1473.48 1473.98 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1474.4 1474.74 Yeah. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1482.67 1484.91 And then in the next meeting we decide 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1475.44 1482.67 Like we all have a list of uh things that has to b that have to be in it, or how it has to be like. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1484.18 1484.64 Yeah. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 1487.8 1489.62 Yeah, I agree uh, we can take it from there. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 1486.31 1487.8 Yeah, we can take it from there. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1488.5 1488.61 A 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1486.6 1488.5 w what it's gonna be. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1487.81 1488.32 Okay. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1489.73 1491.93 And then you s then you can delete uh 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 1493.14 1493.59 Or edit. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1493.3 1495.37 the o the obsolete uh details. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1494.57 1495.19 Okay. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1496.18 1505.41 So uh each individually i individually uh must think on what's uh at uh his point of view is the most important. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1505.41 1511.12 And uh then we're going to fit uh all the pieces together the next meeting. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1496.28 1496.66 I think. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1505.11 1505.51 Yeah. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1511.46 1511.78 Yeah. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1513.29 1518.25 You uh will receive specific specific instructions uh by your personal coach. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1519.96 1520.48 Thank you. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1518.25 1519.96 And I see you in uh thirty minutes. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1511.67 1513.29 I must finish off now, so it's over. 
TS3007a H02 MTD026UID 1519.73 1520.61 Okay, cheers. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1519.84 1520.19 Okay. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1529.2 1529.44 Sorry. 
TS3007a H00 MTD025PM 1531.23 1535.91 Be careful. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1532.57 1533.25 Damn. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1539.64 1540.08 Yes. 
TS3007a H03 MTD028ME 1543.49 1545.06 Success? 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1544.06 1544.41 Yeah. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1569.21 1570.08 No. 
TS3007a H01 MTD027ID 1570.08 1570.3 Come up. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2.16 2.43 Hello. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 3.59 4.3 Hey guys. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 10.68 14.55 Uh I figured uh that much. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 4.51 6.64 Hi. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 6.64 8.94 I see my bunny is still standing. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 8.94 10.68 No one drawing it. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 4.94 5.5 Hi. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 5.44 5.91 Hi. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 8.34 8.73 Yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 9.44 10.73 It's too beautiful. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 10.16 11.11 Yeah, true. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 13.83 14.43 Too wicked. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 15.89 16.21 Mm. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 22.67 26.32 A minute please, my uh laptop is uh oh, there it is, thank you. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 44.88 45.68 So welcome back. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 46.7 50.05 At the functional design meeting um 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 80.63 81.25 Um 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 63.24 71.54 I will uh take minutes and will put uh the minutes that I have uh at the end of the session in the shared folder. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 51.38 55.26 the plan is uh that uh each one of you 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 55.26 63.24 so not me but only you uh will uh present uh the the things you worked on uh the last uh half hour. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 71.54 80.63 Also the minutes of the previous session are also in the shared folder now, so you can read that uh now or afterwards. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 108.29 115.25 Uh second one is also important uh, because it's one of the discussion points of the previous session. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 97.55 108.29 First one is uh they think that uh teletext teletext becomes outdated uh and internet will be the the main uh focus. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 115.25 119.37 Uh the remote control shou should onl only be used for the television,
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 82.86 92.12 uh I had an email from the from the management board uh, I don't know if you a al also uh received it 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 119.37 127.55 so it uh not gonna it's not gonna be a multi-purpose remote control, so uh that's one thing to keep in mind. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 92.12 97.55 but there were four points uh which uh I think are very important. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 149.85 159.66 but not really uh for now is that they uh want the the the slogan and the and the logo uh to uh to be recognised more in the remote. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 138.77 146.63 but with this uh new remote uh they uh will uh would like to reach uh a group uh younger than uh forty. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 146.63 149.85 Uh and uh I think to keep in mind 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 168.71 177.22 and please uh use uh all the the the facilities so that you have either SMARTboards, the the Word files, what you uh whatever you want. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 177.22 178.26 So uh 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 132.09 138.77 uh the current uh customers uh are in the age group group of uh forty years and older 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 159.66 168.71 So, we have uh forty minutes, so I think uh not more than ten minutes uh uh per presentation uh each,
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 128.1 132.09 Uh second, and I think that's important for the Marketing uh Expert 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 179.82 180.69 Tim, can you start? 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 182.46 182.79 Okay. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 182.93 183.16 Yeah? 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 212.2 217.21 I have some uh new findings on uh Marketing Expert level, 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 209.52 212.2 'Kay, welcome. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 215.62 215.78 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 218.95 220.02 which I will show you. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 232.2 237.22 Um one hundred respondents were involved 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 221.92 232.2 The method I used was um giving orders to our usability lab uh to do a questionnaire. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 238.84 244.78 and my marketing uh department generated a report with a lot of results. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 246.48 246.94 Um, 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 253.63 254.09 Um, 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 249.27 253.63 these were a couple of findings, first page of three. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 266.93 272.58 Uh the second one is from sixty four uh forty six to sixty five. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 282.69 286.16 Uh second audience audience is uh thirty five percent. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 255.27 259.47 we have three audiences of two audiences, I'm sorry. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 259.47 266.93 Uh the first one, this scale, from sixteen to forty five age. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 272.58 282.69 Um, as you can see here, the market share for the first audience is about sixty percent um sixty five. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 292.02 306.45 uh it seems like the young users of remote controls really like the fancy uh new technology stuff, like uh an L. C. D. screen on the remote control, um 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 287.36 292.02 Mm and some interests from the from the age groups,
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 307.51 308.62 speech recognition. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 313.8 317.83 Um, and when you see uh the audience, 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 310.63 313.8 I don't think that's uh really appropriate. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 319.56 321.74 the age is going up uh 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 323.2 327.73 Yeah, they don't really want it anymore, at least the new technologies. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 329.8 337.07 Second findings out of the questionnaire um are the opinion 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 338.2 342.61 the opinions uh of the audience about current remote controls. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 349.46 355.23 uh and eighty percent of the users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 342.61 349.46 First point is, seventy five percent of the users find the most repo remote controls very ugly 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 357.15 361.73 So that's maybe something for the User Interface uh Designer. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 376.46 385.27 Um, I will tell something about the way this uh this test was, yeah, done. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 366.91 376.46 According to the frequency of use versus importance investigation, um following buttons are most important. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 385.27 387.57 Um, persons were asked 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 364.59 366.91 Okay, third findings. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 405.88 408.81 Switching channels, um yeah, 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 388.63 400.78 uh what the buttons were uh they use most, how much an hour, and uh in the second table the importance of those buttons. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 400.78 405.88 Um, when you multiply them, you get the these three points. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 393.28 393.56 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 410.28 411.09 that's pretty uh 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 413.17 417.01 pretty normal, that's what you do with a remote control. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 423.01 434.84 Um, I think it's good uh that we know what the user want wants, uh at least the these three points have to be uh very clear. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 417.01 423.01 Um the second, teletext, uh and the third, uh volume controls. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 434.32 440.47 But it's strange that the the manage board the management board said that the teletext will be uh outdated by the internet. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 441.24 441.74 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 441.27 442.61 So that that's strange. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 442.92 447.93 Yeah, okay, but uh at the moment uh teletext is 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 449.41 454.55 Yeah, th the best thing you can get uh on T. V., like getting information. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 454.55 458.33 So uh, when you ask people, what do they use, 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 452.25 453.01 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 454.64 454.86 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 463.29 464.84 That's ridiculous. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 459.74 463.29 they use teletext and not the internet on a remote control. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 460.95 461.37 Okay. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 462.88 463.57 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 464.4 464.65 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 466.07 469.63 That's a ne i it It's a new technology, but it's not incorporated right now. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 468.05 468.38 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 473.43 473.93 Um, 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 471.08 473.43 Okay, my personal preferences. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 475.67 480.26 I think we should aim at the uh audience from sixteen to forty five. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 495.33 495.92 Um, 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 481.95 490.61 Mm, first of all um it's the biggest share, the biggest audience, sixty five percent. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 490.61 495.33 Uh second, I think you will get the most revenue from i from it. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 504.91 516.57 Um second point, we have to impro improve the most used functions, as I said here, switching channels, teletext and volume controls. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 497.41 504.91 yeah, people from sixteen to forty five watch a lot of T. V., more than uh people who are el uh elder. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 517.7 526.34 Third point um that came out of the uh of the questionnaire, uh people used to uh 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 527.44 537.69 get lost off the remote controller, so maybe it's an idea for us uh to design ex kind of placeholder uh on side of the,
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 537.69 541.3 yeah, of the T. V. where you can put the the remote control in. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 534.21 535.41 Yeah, that's a cool idea. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 542.52 543.63 Um, 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 546.23 546.4 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 544.74 546.23 that's about it, I think. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 546.9 552.48 When you mentioned uh improving functions, what uh what do you mean by that what what are you think about? 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 551.03 560.96 Uh not not the r not the functions, but uh it came out that a lot of buttons weren't even used uh on a remote control. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 560.96 567.12 So you can have a remote control full of buttons, a hundreds hundreds of buttons, but if you don't use them, yeah it's 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 554.04 555.78 Uh, the funtionability. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 566.41 566.66 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 566.88 569.38 Ah okay, so focusing more on the used buttons. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 574.02 579.45 but um the most used buttons uh have to be bigger or 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 568.95 574.02 Yeah, they have to be on it j just to t to get it done if necessary 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 570.73 571.02 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 580.79 589.16 Could you use perhaps uh one button for multiple functions, like example pressing it in longer makes it switch to an different function for example. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 590.35 592.01 Just for the minor functions perhaps. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 588.53 590.35 Yeah, perhaps. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 590.39 590.66 Thank you. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 592.16 594.29 Yeah, ma perhaps, just just an idea. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 594.59 599.14 Just to get less buttons on the remote control, to make it easier and quicker to learn. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 599.51 599.87 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 600.32 600.46 Yeah? 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 602.64 603.15 'Kay, that's it. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 604.4 605.01 Thank you, Tim. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 605.99 607.32 Janus, can you uh 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 606.16 607.72 Uh yeah yeah, I'll go, sure. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 624.23 631.9 Right uh, I'll be uh explaining a bit about uh working design about uh the project. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 646.46 656.02 And uh after that I put up a scheme about how uh these things are organised and I'll show it to you in in a in a few seconds. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 656.02 668.18 And I'll explain a bit about uh how it works and how we could uh build one and why I think several possibilities uh that we discussed in the earlier meeting falls off. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 631.9 639.55 Well uh what I did was I dissected uh uh current remote controls and um I viewed how how they w looked,
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 639.55 646.46 how they worked, uh what kind of components are involved, and how they are connected together. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 670.52 678.89 Uh well what I did was uh I I checked uh remote controls and the uh remote controls of today are all infrared, not like all probably know. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 668.85 670.52 Um right. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 686.3 690.72 and those uh have a transmitter that's also focused on infrared 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 678.89 686.3 And the thing about that is um the remote controls uh have to act as a T. V. or uh a stereo or something 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 690.72 701.17 so if we want to uh build uh mm a remote control uh with Bluetooth for instance then uh the T. V. should have Bluetooth too in order to communicate 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 701.17 708.84 so that would mean extra cost for the user and thus uh that's that wouldn't mean a a cheap uh remote control for us. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 709.29 714.1 So that's probably why most controls are still infrared. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 714.1 716.58 Furthermore they all have uh a a very simple structure 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 716.58 732.58 so that would probably uh mean lower costs and uh i that could mean for us a good thing uh 'cause uh well we we should be able to build a relatively cheap uh a cheap uh remote. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 744.41 753.05 F because uh well my personal opinion is uh is not to do uh Bluetooth or or radio waves, although 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 732.58 740.6 Well uh as I mentioned ready, we have some Bluetooth Well it may be possible, but uh I figured it wouldn't be possible in within our budget,
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 740.6 744.41 but that's not for me to decide, but that's maybe something for marketing to look into. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 753.45 763.11 What do you think about uh incorporating Bluetooth or a radio uh receiver uh in the place-holder next to the T. V., connected to the T. V. ? 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 763.48 764.64 Yeah, actually I have t 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 764.33 765.63 So it's in the wrong product. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 766.77 773.95 Yeah, I actually I figured that would be that would be rather nice, but then you'd still have the uh the infrared function. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 766.25 766.77 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 799.17 802.46 Uh I'll I'll just explain a bit of the components. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 783.64 787.03 is why not uh introduce a speech function like where is the remote. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 777.89 783.64 but uh what I did uh think about was when you mentioned about the uh the cup-holder 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 802.46 804.15 Uh first you have the energy source. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 773.95 777.89 So in in theory you'd actually just move the problem 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 787.03 791.22 If somebody says, where is the remote, then it goes uh beep uh beep beep beep or something, I dunno,
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 808.51 815.71 I figured that would be best, 'cause when the battery uh stops functioning uh we could just uh use you could just go out and buy a new one. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 804.15 808.51 The energy source would be a battery, simple uh battery uh that you can find anywhere. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 791.22 796.19 maybe uh maybe something to look into, I dunno uh what the cost that something like that would be. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 796.19 799.17 But it may be uh may be something to explore. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 774.06 774.36 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 777.18 777.37 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 788.87 792.01 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 821.43 824.8 Uh the energy source is connected to the infrared button 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 834.38 837.6 When the switch is pressed in a w on this this case it switches a button,
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 841.79 848.56 and in uh immediately, a l a bulb lights up uh displaying to the user that something has happened. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 837.6 841.79 when a button is prush pushed in, uh a electric current goes through here,
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 848.56 854.4 That's uh that's so the h user won't be um thinking, well uh did the button be pressed, w what happened uh. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 824.8 834.38 but uh the infrared button uh works only via the chip and the subcomponent to uh the switch there is a switch uh between these. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 854.4 858.86 Or I press button but nothing's happening on the T. V., so is is something wrong or something. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 816.05 821.43 So we didn't and we don't have to do all uh to be too complicated about that. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 898.31 902.92 so why why should we invent uh w spend more time on those. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 885.89 889.61 Uh well my personal preferences here, well we have to keep it simple. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 859.38 866.3 So that's just to uh to to explain the of to to uh make it clearer to the user. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 892.46 898.31 just like you said uh well the most users n uh you have a lot of buttons and you u u use you don't use them 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 866.3 880.93 Uh w well the signal goes via chip that's translated into uh electric sig uh electronic signals and then it's processed and then it's sent to the infrared bulb where it will be uh uh received on the receiving end. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 889.61 892.46 Not too many uh gadgets and functions 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 880.93 885.89 And those uh interpreted by the device, well in this case the television. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 920.63 926.05 because when you uh want teletext on uh infrared you'd have to build in a receiver too 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 926.05 931.17 and so in order to receive the signals from uh what's on T. V. and such. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 910.3 913.3 So uh no input from the television. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 931.17 934.57 So I figure that would be uh spending too much money and time and 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 903.46 910.3 Uh I I think we should stick by with infrared transmitting and uh no receiving. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 913.3 920.63 So I think we shouldn't be uh spending time on um teletext and st things like that 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 934.77 935.25 Um, 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 936.56 938.69 yeah, maybe another problem uh, 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 939.92 943.83 I think current T. V. s can even send infrared. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 993.08 996.28 And that was my uh my presentation uh 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 974.25 981.28 or well uh just hide the few buttons o of switching it open or something, the usual uh stuff. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 952.38 958.84 'Cause that would be I mean extra components, extra designs, um larger g uh remote control. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 970.39 974.25 Like I said, uh use one button for instance for m multiple functions,
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 947.07 952.38 but should we spend money or and time on building a receiver into the uh remote control? 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 981.28 989.86 And uh don't overbuild, we shouldn't make a big uh remote control for simple functions, but we we should stick to the basics. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 958.84 962.59 These all uh all stuff that we have to take in account. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 989.86 993.08 So that was my uh my personal opinion. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 943.35 947.07 Yes, but what should we uh s I I I f I agree with you 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 966.81 970.39 Um, well we should uh look into the design and the functionability. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 962.59 966.81 So I I my personal opinion is no no no receiver at all. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 947.41 947.52 Huh. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 951.94 952.22 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 954.4 954.59 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 958.52 958.69 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 966.83 967.03 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 996.23 996.59 Okay. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 996.38 997.31 Okay, thank you Janus. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 997.6 1000.08 Yes, I can go ahead. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1000.08 1001.51 Last presentation. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1001.51 1002.14 Okay. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 999.17 1000.32 The last presentation. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1000.32 1006.97 You have plenty of time, Tim and uh Janus don't uh talk to ten minutes, so uh take your time. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 998.32 999.17 You do? 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1008.87 1011.93 If you take your time too long I will uh eventually uh 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1013.3 1013.75 warn you. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1020.06 1027.38 Well, I'm going to give a presentation abut some of the technical functions of these design and uh usability functions. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1068.03 1074.26 If you have fifty functions you don't want fifty buttons uh t uh to be shown at the same time,
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1043.64 1053.96 that shouldn't weigh over the uh if it's possible to make, of course, but also the user friendliness, so tha that's that's some of the main points. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1035.19 1043.64 technical possibilities and the user friendliness in one, so if you um going to design a remote that looks good,
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1074.26 1083.53 'cause when you visit an internet uh site you don't want fifty links uh to see, but maybe use a hierarch hierarchy uh structure. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1061.25 1068.03 so use as as little functions as possible or at least don't display them all at once on the same remote. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1029.42 1035.19 Um what's my opinion about what's most important to combine the design,
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1053.96 1061.25 And another one is um the use um of many functions will will make it more difficult 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1069.3 1069.52 Hmm. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1099.78 1104.05 Um well, of course I I hope this is all clear to you. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1083.74 1089.75 And uh well one of the ideas was maybe uh use touch screen, but s I don't know in how far that is possible,
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1089.75 1099.78 since we are sticking to uh um infrared and and the remote cannot receive anything, but uh we might uh consider that. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1104.05 1107.36 If you you can use remote like this with all the functions, 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1088.82 1089.17 Hmm. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1134.84 1138.84 For example if you want to use a play and back and stop, 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1107.99 1113.52 many functions, but Well, your thumb is a little bigger than th it than this. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1123.82 1131.11 Where the hell he here I guess and, yeah, when you have to uh use something else. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1116.2 1123.82 and um if you're looking for teletext you'll be uh searching for half an hour from uh um yeah well, where is it? 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1131.11 1134.84 So just keep it simple, make clear buttons, easy to use. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1113.52 1116.2 You have to be very careful what you push,
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1140.03 1141.04 that's very important. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1143.41 1153.45 Um well this was because of our last discussion, if multiple machines are used, create easy switch between the machines, but um it's no longer uh applying. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1154.48 1157.33 Well yeah, I prefer to use it only for T. V. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1158.42 1159.43 and um 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1160.96 1169.98 n uh not to give too many options and and if possible, uh the buttons should give a dr direct action, not first select 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1183.33 1190.06 then you can't escape the the fact that there will be buttons uh which give s uh more options than one. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1170.45 1180.75 Uh you you just said um uh you wanted to to combine more functions in one, so uh you you want to keep it simple 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1180.75 1183.33 but I think that if you want to do that 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1178.15 1180.57 Yeah, and so that's where the difficulties lie. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1178.92 1179.38 Yeah, but 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1193.33 1198.24 Do we want to use a few options and might not be so or original,
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1198.24 1204.05 or uh multi-purpose as we thought, or do we want to use um many buttons. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1190.05 1193.33 Yeah, this so that's the thing you have to weigh against each other. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1204.05 1206.97 So um weighing those factors. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1190.29 1190.8 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1190.8 1191.39 Yeah, but 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1198.1 1198.36 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1200.45 1200.85 Okay. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1204.03 1204.28 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1207.34 1213.75 Hmm it's maybe an option uh if you use an L. C. D. or a touch screen um, 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1214.98 1219.72 that in the middle are the the main keys, like displayed on the 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1221.75 1222.08 Uh yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1222.72 1223.78 The doesn't. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1226.13 1226.61 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1227.76 1232.26 Okay, just uh in the middle the general functions, like play, uh 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1226.61 1227.76 Something like that. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1224.69 1225.65 Yeah, this? 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1225.65 1226.13 No? 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1233.91 1242.78 channel switching, and then uh at the top or at the bottom, some menus like uh settings or that you can drop down. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1235.03 1235.29 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1276.86 1279.05 is too complicated for most users. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1254.61 1262.14 you can simply push uh a more menu and then select the options you want to have and press okay. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1252.47 1254.61 'Cause if you use a memory display on the T. V. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1242.96 1248.41 Yeah, but when all the questions I had Do we want to use uh a menu display on the T. V. ? 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1262.14 1267.57 Uh so that's my recommendation, if you use many options in one buttle button 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1267.57 1276.86 um display the menu on the T. V. and don't um use combination of t of two buttons at the same time or pressing buttons three times for five seconds 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1248.41 1252.47 Or um does have to f everything uh be in remotes? 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1252.99 1253.31 Mm. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1263.76 1264.08 Nah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1266.68 1266.93 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1269.71 1269.92 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1277.22 1277.54 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1279.08 1287.67 I think so too, but and that's partly because um uh a lot of T. V. s have different menus,
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1287.67 1298.3 and when you have a particular menu uh at your device, uh it could be that don't correspond to the menu what's actually on T. V. . 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1279.17 1279.62 Yeah, but 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1298.29 1299.77 Yeah, that will be a problem. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1299.85 1300.08 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1315.67 1318.28 And that would be uh a considerable problem. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1300.19 1308.73 Well you d you have to keep in mind that uh several T. V. s uh don't even have a menu structure, or they have a very simple menu structure 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1308.73 1315.67 so you have to keep in mind that not all uh d not our remote won't be able to work on all televisions. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1315.3 1315.82 Yes. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1316.96 1321.54 So if we have to stick with current technologies and uh 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1323.06 1324.13 um 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1333.74 1334.86 Not too many. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1325.31 1331.7 well yeah, the restrictions of what's uh is on the market today, um you should keep it s at this. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1331.7 1333.74 Use big clear buttons. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1328.6 1328.98 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1336.07 1341.54 So maybe we'll loose a few option uh options, but I think i this is more important. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1341.54 1342.11 Um 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1351.38 1356.98 it uh it has to work at once and more advanced options may be put it s somewhere away on the remote 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1356.98 1360.7 behind uh a little uh little thing or a touch screen. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1344.24 1351.38 especially the important buttons, um if you want to switch channel, change your volume, uh use teletext 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1354.78 1355.25 Not embed 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1357.75 1362.25 Yeah, but then with something like a touch screen could could make more menu up pop up or something. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1369.01 1373.06 Not first change menu options or switch something. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1361.83 1369.01 And yeah, if you want to uh uh s put on stand-by or change the channel, that should always be possible to do. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1373.06 1376.68 Um, well yeah, as you already told, give some feedback. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1376.68 1384.56 If the user is pushing a button he should know if the television or n at least remote is reacting and not just that the batteries may be low. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1370.92 1371.17 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1376.25 1376.56 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1407.22 1428.72 and therefore it's uh important if you want to change the volume or channel that is always accessible and easy and other functions um that are not so important um well you we should consider just not using them or at least putting them somewhere on the remote where they're not in the way for the for the most important functions. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1385.24 1392.04 And um, well, my conclusion is uh is uh less is more, keep it simple. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1392.04 1400.42 So uh maybe we should just ease down on the functionality to uh to keep it accessible on t because you all know,
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1400.42 1407.22 if there are a lot of function on the the television, some you you'll never know uh and never use 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1407.25 1407.41 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1429.76 1433.93 Uh, I think the idea uh about uh touch screen 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1429.07 1429.76 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1437.92 1438.83 Um, 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1435.03 1437.92 um is very good. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1439.94 1445 because recently uh I saw news item on T. V. um about 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1446.31 1450.27 uh new telephones uh for elder people. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1450.27 1461.6 Um, they have like a touch screen with uh really big pictures on it like uh uh call uh hang-up, um 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1463.22 1467.09 and that's a big ad advantage I think, because 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1468.46 1470.18 one the one hand uh 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1471.84 1480.12 you make the remote control compatible for elder users just by uh scaling up the pictures or something. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1480.12 1481.21 It's uh 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1479.89 1480.18 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1482.47 1484.99 very visual intended. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1488.19 1489.87 What was I to say more? 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1495.16 1499.81 Uh make a remote that fits easily in the hands and for some design issues uh well 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1513.78 1518.72 or if that's uh will become too difficult just uh 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1499.81 1505.51 put a logo on it and maybe use it uh in some aesthetic uh aesthetic form. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1492.1 1495.16 Um keep the primary buttons visible. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1490.48 1492.1 Maybe that's an option. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1505.51 1513.78 But uh th the important buttons m make them always accessible and pushable and clear and maybe use a touch screen 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1494.76 1495.02 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1520.3 1532.54 like televi some o older telephones use a l uh maybe it's possible to to flip them open and uh just expand the number of options that are normally visible. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1532.54 1533.14 Um 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1532.19 1535.77 Yeah okay, but but if you pick the the idea, the left idea 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1536.16 1536.43 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1536.87 1540.14 then what's gonna be displayed on the touch screen? 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1540.56 1541.54 The extra functions. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1547.87 1555.18 and you just choose one, and then all all the options will become available and you just c s yeah t scroll through them. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1541.6 1547.87 The extra functions, you uh you just see a menu from system functions or teletext functions,
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1542.47 1544.56 Yeah, but l like menu functions or 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1544.97 1545.23 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1550.16 1550.63 Ah okay. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1566.7 1574.73 and uh we have three of those, uh actually just uh menus with sub-menus, with or sub-items, sub-functions. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1559.17 1566.7 uh one one small uh touch screen uh applet and uh I'll just make um uh let's say fifteen buttons on it,
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1555.68 1559.17 Wouldn't it be better to make just one big touch screen 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1558.68 1559.76 Yeah, I think so. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1573.94 1574.22 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1574.05 1576.7 Well um then I'd like to make a proposal. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1581.14 1583.02 If you make one big touch screen, 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1583.09 1583.64 Yes. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1584.21 1592.41 use the same concept as here, keep the buttons always available and use the lower part of the touch screen for the rest. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1586.59 1586.88 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1587.9 1588.19 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1601.56 1607.38 and with this idea you could actually make uh several you can also improve uh later on. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1592.52 1596.64 Yeah, yeah, like like the iPod idea that that we just saw. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1596.64 1601.56 You just have a f a few selected buttons and uh a few menus 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1592.58 1592.99 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1595.19 1595.49 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1607.93 1608.28 Yes. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1610.46 1612.65 Uh uh I think that will be great. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1612.82 1613.28 Okay. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1613.32 1617.49 So you think it's will be better to have a t kinda total touch screen. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1617.47 1618.3 Yeah, I think so. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1618.26 1620.11 Yeah, I wou I would actually go for the 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1619.72 1620.03 Jirun? 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1620.08 1627.76 Okay, I agree, but I think it's very important that they always um make the same buttons accessible 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1627.76 1631.13 so use just for special options a part of the touch screen. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1631.21 1631.94 Yeah, of course. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1631.53 1631.86 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1632.2 1632.51 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1632.27 1643.16 And so um an elder designer picks up th the of an elder parents or grandparent picks up the remote from the little child and who's all in the systems functions 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1643.16 1653.69 you'll have to have the possibility to turn off the T. V. or to switch the channel without um well using all the menu structures to get back to the primary functions. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1638.02 1638.75 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1653.79 1654.11 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1660.79 1661.39 Um, 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1654.61 1660.79 Yeah, I had another uh idea about maybe parental control. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1660.18 1660.5 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1662.9 1670.69 like building in uh some kind of PIN code uh which allows uh parents to switch to all channels,
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1670.69 1678.94 uh but children uh if children don't don't know the PIN code, they can't switch to uh violent uh channels or 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1670.34 1670.53 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1675.77 1676.11 Yeah wh 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1677.91 1679.73 Is that possible to use or no? 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1679.41 1684.06 That is possible, that well that actually depends on the television, but I think I figure that would be 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1680.81 1681.88 Th there's just 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1682.73 1685.54 Well, yeah well, does it have to depend on the television? 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1684.2 1687.07 Ju just a simple log-in, something like that. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1693.79 1698.83 the the channels are different on each te television, they aren't set in a preset order,
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1686.55 1693.79 Well, y you s you see the fi uh thing is when you buy a remote, you you set the uh channels,
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1703.06 1709.82 well channel fifteen on this television is different than channel fifteen on the other television, so that would be uh that would be actually the main concern. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1698.83 1703.06 so uh if you uh lock on a remote, uh let's say channel fifteen,
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1687.24 1687.54 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1693.62 1693.82 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1696.84 1697.05 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1702.76 1703.02 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1706.34 1707.01 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1709.95 1710.37 Yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1708.57 1709.95 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1728.83 1731.94 like colour and then volume and uh 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1718.89 1728.83 and then after that you can um use some s insert some passwords as being apparent that the children cannot use this uh change the settings of the T. V. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1709.3 1718.89 Well, I think that he means that um maybe by some option uh make sure that um remote control and the T. V. match 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1727.11 1727.32 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1731.49 1738.86 Yeah, th that kind of stuff, but maybe um if you log in first as a parent um,
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1738.86 1744.25 you address the the channels and like uh oh, that's channel fifteen, that's uh 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1736.48 1737.02 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1740.68 1741.03 Yes. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1745.5 1754.17 vi violent channel, uh m my ki my kids uh I don't want my kids to watch that, then you set the priority to only parents, 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1746.8 1747.98 Oh, something like that. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1746.92 1747.22 Yes. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1750.42 1750.77 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1755.38 1756.22 Yeah, that would b 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1754.28 1755.38 Yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1754.63 1755.89 Okay, yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1755.31 1764.79 Well b but make it a separate option in the menu, so that it's it's dif dis displayed from uh displayed here, so uh parents uh 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1755.61 1757.03 for example. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1757.03 1757.29 But 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1758.69 1759.85 Yeah, that. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1760.15 1762.95 Yeah okay, but but yeah, that's just 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1763.97 1765.5 that's an a an added feature. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1764.93 1765.19 Yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1765.72 1766.46 Okay. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1802.34 1811.1 the more difficult functions uh to be uh maybe on the touch screen, but to keep this as uh normal as possible, to keep it accessible. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1783.31 1789.27 uh because I think uh elderly people may be uh not used to uh a touch screen,
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1789.27 1793.5 so they want the the the normal functions like teletext, volume changing,
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1775.29 1783.31 I've one little question about um a total touch screen or uh um a p yeah, a partial 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1766.46 1771.22 But let's not uh go too wide about the those things, that's that why we're here. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1771.22 1775.29 It's it's a nice idea, but I think that's we wel later in the stage. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1793.5 1802.34 um uh to be uh, yeah, kinda traditionals uh and uh the the the the other functions,
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1770.03 1772.83 Yeah, th th those things are nice. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1781.09 1781.55 Partial. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1793.61 1793.78 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1802.42 1802.69 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1810.45 1815.73 Yeah, but but if you display it on L. C. D. screen with r r really big numbers 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1816.26 1819.24 Yeah, you can de display it on the on the old style. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1819.24 1821.59 You can display actual buttons on the touch screens. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1817.76 1820.18 that's just as e just as easy. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1818.58 1819.21 Uh. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1819.21 1819.86 I I do 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1819.78 1820.98 Yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1820.98 1822.23 Yeah, that's true, that's true. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1830.49 1834.14 W we are aiming for younger people and they they chose 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1821.54 1826.44 Uh I do agree, because well, it's just not the same when you touch a touch screen or when you touch a button 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1826.44 1830.49 but well we have to look at what's our target uh audience. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1821.55 1821.8 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1825.63 1826.37 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1826.48 1827.25 Yeah, it's different. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1830.61 1830.86 Yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1832.92 1835.46 Yeah, that's true, yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1835.46 1838.06 Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, that's a good point. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1838.06 1838.3 Yep. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1833 1835.48 Yeah, age b below forty. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 1836.22 1839.5 So that's that's probably uh a 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1840.47 1844.81 Y you saw it in my marketing report, they like the new fancy stuff, so 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1838.58 1840.47 And th those young people, yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1840.77 1841.06 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1843.91 1845.84 They like the fancy stuff, yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1845.84 1846.5 That's true. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1845.84 1854.57 A touch screen, like Microsoft al already developed something like that for uh uh multi-media applications. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1849.66 1850.25 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1857.21 1857.64 Mm 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1857.21 1858.91 I th I think we can do that too. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1859.4 1859.7 Yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1861.51 1868.54 Okay, as you can see uh the minutes from the second meeting, this one, are uh are done. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1867.21 1867.46 Done. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1877.55 1886.56 Um each time I uh I had a sort of uh summary on what you told and uh what you personal think. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1889.77 1894.94 Uh a f a few things I uh I noticed uh were um 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1871.77 1877.55 Uh I've uh added the this uh four things from the management board just to keep in mind. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1886.56 1889.77 Uh so that can be uh can be read out. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1876.97 1877.3 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1898.48 1898.62 Ooh. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1897.03 1898.48 Moment. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1933.51 1949.38 so they don't uh you don't have a big uh thing full of uh buttons or uh um and uh the point that uh you uh wanna use one uh controller uh for uh uh hypothetically each television,
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1952.19 1960.01 like the menus or the the parental control must be all uh by the done by the remote control and not by the television. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1949.38 1952.19 so you must uh the the the the functions, know 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1960.01 1961.62 I think that's the point what uh 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1927.38 1933.51 but have the opportunity to uh have more options and have them uh hidden or something 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1912.65 1927.38 Uh th the the main points in uh this uh uh in this uh meeting is I think uh how uh it's going to look uh with uh we must keep it simple 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1961.41 1961.72 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1962.63 1962.94 Yes. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 1962.64 1963.34 we discussed. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1962.9 1965.06 Yeah, yeah, some of them. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1965.06 1971.42 The menus uh are not identical for all th for all T. V. s, so you have to display it on one uh T. V. . 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1981.35 1993.42 there are always uh possibilities to change the colour and the brightness and the volume and um well maybe we can look out if there's options that the remote um in its memory can see what kinda T. V. it is,
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1993.42 2000.92 from ah, it's a Philips, this and this and that, and then give the options that are capable the capable from the t 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 1970.65 1981.35 Well you can use um when you uh how do you call it, s um synchronized, the um remote and the T. V., then there's always 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1979.27 1980.62 Yeah, but that's not possible. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 1985.4 1986.37 Mm-hmm, mm yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2000.15 2007.25 Yeah, but you have uh uh an yeah, but you have an international market range, so you have I think a big range of 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2000.77 2002.8 Add th that that's an opportunity. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2013.64 2018.21 uh so this wouldn't be a extra feature to incorporate the men menus of these. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2006.05 2013.64 Well there are universal d um um remotes and they all have a functionality for all the T. V. s 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2010.19 2010.45 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2014.42 2014.81 Yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2014.63 2015.07 Okay. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2015.37 2015.84 But they 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2016.42 2016.7 But 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2017.5 2019.31 And it's not too complex to do it. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2039.54 2048.73 because uh in order for the remote to process something from the T. V., like uh to synchronise and you have to send and receive, and that's well 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2020.1 2026.16 Well they uh they all have to be programmed to fit your T. V. and that that is bit of a tricky job. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2026.16 2030.93 I actually use one of those when They are they are kinda kinda troublesome 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2030.93 2039.54 but but the thing is whe when you uh start uh building something like this you have to build a receiver into the uh t into the remotes,
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2020.24 2020.44 No. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2023.62 2023.9 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2026.13 2026.47 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2044.07 2044.38 Well 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2043.26 2044.07 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2045.22 2045.39 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2047.83 2051.92 Oh um mo no, you can just say uh the c 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2046.88 2047.83 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2048.63 2049.27 No no no. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2053.9 2064.34 Uh, with the current remote controls, the universal ones, um you have to press yeah, you have to press a code for T. V. . 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2049.83 2053.9 He he he he me he means just just one other thing. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2050.34 2051.37 Just build it in. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2053.64 2053.9 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2056.98 2057.29 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2058.5 2058.91 Yes. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2065.11 2074.58 I have a Philips H. fifty five and it says press code four five five and you press code four five five on the uh in the remote and it displays all your uh menu options. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2061.51 2064.56 In codes, y you you get a b a book with codes. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2064.56 2065.11 You look up 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2066.8 2067 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2067.3 2067.57 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2068.31 2070.13 Oh, okay, yeah, sure, uh 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2071.4 2072.06 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2074.56 2076.85 Oh, yeah yeah, sure, that would be possible, yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2076.23 2076.48 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2077.5 2087.13 Now we uh just connect uh the T. V. type uh to a set of options, in just just in the memory,
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2087.13 2096.48 so that if you yeah, like profile, so that if you uh touch in like uh one four one zero kind of T. V. uh 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2083.91 2086.21 Memory in the in the remote. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2085.31 2085.76 Yep. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2086.69 2087.17 Profiles. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2094.1 2094.51 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2098.16 2100.35 the memory uh 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2101.59 2102.64 pops up the options. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2104.78 2105.25 Yeah, sure. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2103.48 2104.78 Yeah, that would be possible. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2103.02 2103.48 Yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2103.59 2103.94 Okay. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2105.69 2112.19 I th don't think that's uh that takes a lot of storage space or some just varia variables. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2109.87 2111.17 No, that wouldn't be uh 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2112.38 2114.08 Yeah, a few variables. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2124.03 2131.19 If you have all of them, all the old and new T. V. s summed up, so uh I think uh it is possible. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2112.46 2124.03 Yeah, well um if you look at the um manuals from universal uh remotes, there are maybe um three four hundreds T. V. s at maximum. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2119.17 2119.42 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2122.96 2123.17 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2123.08 2123.37 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2131.11 2132.15 It is definitely po 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2130.51 2131.11 Ah it is. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2131.16 2141.28 But, on the other hand on the other hand, uh if you have a remote and buy a new T. V. that isn't incorporated in the remote 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2132.71 2134.16 We have five minutes to go. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2137.44 2137.75 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2141.4 2144 Well then you have to buy a new one, it's very good for marketing 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2143.67 2144.44 New remote? 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2145.11 2147.41 Maybe, or an update, software update. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2147.13 2150.4 A firmware upgrade or something, but from where? 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2148.4 2149.79 Firmware update, you say. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2148.71 2149.86 Yeah, firmware upgrade. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2151.56 2151.81 Ah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2152.98 2154.17 Maybe w 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2153.59 2155.91 That's maybe the cup holder. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2155.91 2156.09 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2155.05 2161.67 No m may no, maybe we can incorporate some kind of uh U. S. B. or a firewire connection 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2161.67 2166.92 so that you can uh connect it to the P. C. and download the newest firmware from uh from the internet. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2155.6 2155.92 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2166.98 2170.04 Well, not everybody has uh has uh a P. C. at home. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2170.04 2173.28 Well the most most people have, but not not everybody and 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2171.71 2175.48 Well, at uh you can go back to the shop and uh they 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2174.5 2176.75 Yeah, like a s kind of service centre. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2175.11 2175.52 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2176.5 2179.6 Yeah, ser o and they can download it for you. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2177.19 2183.08 Yeah, maybe something like service cen Or you could well you could s actually look at the place-holder you talked about earlier 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2183.08 2189.17 and you could probably uh make a connection to uh an telephone line or a internet connection. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2178.23 2178.54 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2183.23 2183.57 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2187.73 2188.25 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2195.01 2202.97 you can see what's uh programme is on on the new uh channels, so maybe j they we can send that information along with standard T. V. uh 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2188.25 2195.01 Well already digital information is sent t to the the standards, T. V. uh connections,
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2193.69 2194.11 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2203.08 2211.44 Well then then it's be uh back to the building a receiving uh well uh if it's actually worth it to build it in,
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2211.44 2218.14 we could actually look at into it, but I dunno, it it would be uh bringing more costs uh with with it and 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2206.42 2207.51 Receiving. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2207.51 2208 Oh yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2208.07 2208.3 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2212.29 2212.6 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2215.32 2215.71 Difficult. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2218.19 2218.51 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2218.65 2220.32 I I think it's uh 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2221.86 2227.96 most cheap or cheapest to just do the updates uh at the service centre or at the shop. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2226.75 2228.53 Yeah, that would be probably best, yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2226.8 2230.53 Yeah yeah, uh s I think some I think it's good idea, yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2228.46 2228.66 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2229.6 2232.09 Like when you when you buy a T. V. you just ask well I'll 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2231.42 2238.98 It's it's it's not a lot of work, just one uh docking station where you put it in, press start, bling bling, updated. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2236.44 2236.75 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2239.13 2240.36 Yeah, that would be best, yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2240 2240.64 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2240.64 2240.84 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2240.87 2244.06 You don't buy a T. V. every week, new teev so. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2240.13 2240.87 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2242.21 2245.17 Okay, let's uh save this in the meanwhile uh 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2242.6 2243.61 No no. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2243.61 2244.51 Exactly, so 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2257.83 2261.19 Um m for which one are we going? 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2261.19 2261.71 My mistake. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2261.65 2262.19 Let's vote. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2263.36 2264.62 That one or uh 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2265.02 2266.65 Yeah, my vote goes out to the right. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2267.48 2270.32 Your vote and your Okay. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2268.17 2268.71 My vote too. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2269.41 2269.69 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2271.14 2271.67 And your vote? 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2275.66 2286.52 but uh you've convinced me that uh if you di display buttons about the same as they would look on a normal um remote all elderly people will know what to do. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2272.13 2275.66 Well, I was uh doubting about which one to take 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2279.81 2280.01 Yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2282.76 2283.05 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2286.67 2289.82 And also like a clapping uh 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2290.9 2293.76 li like device that uh pops open. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2292.76 2295.1 Opens up is too difficult or uh 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2293.16 2293.73 Flips open. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2295.08 2299.87 Uh too difficult, um maybe uh it's easier to break it. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2300.23 2300.54 N yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2301.58 2302.77 Break it, I don't get 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2302.39 2304.6 Yeah, th th th that i uh 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2306.84 2309.34 Yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2307.79 2308.92 It's very sensitive. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2309.01 2310.33 Oh so Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2310.56 2312.98 Like my telephone, it's uh it's sensitive too. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2313.12 2313.42 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2313.51 2313.67 Yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2328.27 2333.81 Uh I will put my minutes uh I have updated them so uh s they're updated in the shared folder too. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2317.4 2321.51 So we have now a lunch break, finally, yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2315.36 2317.4 Okay well uh it's almost at the end. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2321.51 2328.27 Uh after the lunch break uh it's back to uh individual work, once again uh thirty minutes. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2319.46 2320.07 Ah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2333.86 2334.77 Thirty minutes? 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2335.36 2336.65 Thirty minutes, the 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2336.61 2342.63 How minutes? 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2363.96 2364.25 Yeah? 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2353.06 2360.23 so uh uh wait for your email and uh hopefully you get it done uh in the in the thirty minutes 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2341.16 2350.98 Uh uh the specifi uh specific instructions for the next uh meeting you will all will receive uh at the uh the the email. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2340.29 2341.16 Failure. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2350.98 2353.06 I don't think I can uh say much about it 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2360.23 2363.96 and I w will see you after the lunch break and the thirty minutes. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2363.27 2368.29 One question, uh how late do we have to get back be back here? 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2369.4 2373.17 Uh well uh thirty minutes. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2373.94 2375.32 A quarter to one maybe? 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2374.69 2375.42 Uh, yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2375.76 2376.82 Thirty minutes lunch break? 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2377.19 2378.42 Thirty minutes lunch break, yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2379.17 2379.56 Okay. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2379.56 2381.6 I thought forty five. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2381.6 2381.81 Yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2379.63 2379.94 Oh. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2388.94 2392.65 Thank you, uh that was a very uh good session I think, we uh we 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2381.98 2384.46 Uh then would it be uh one o'clock. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2388.17 2388.94 Thank you. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2381.03 2381.98 Forty five? 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2384.46 2386.88 Or we we ask our personal coach. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2386.88 2388.17 Okay. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2384.81 2385.1 Okay. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2383.83 2384.81 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2386.44 2389.01 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2391.73 2394.88 Yeah, is it possible to store this on the share documents or what 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2393.37 2393.76 Yeah, me too. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2394.32 2395.71 Uh ye well 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2396.12 2396.8 Save as. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2397.39 2404.9 Yeah, because uh all uh things are uh stored in smart board dot uh X. D. K. and that's in 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2402.36 2402.73 Yeah, v 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2407.84 2408.76 Yeah, maybe. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2408.76 2409.39 Save as. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2404 2407.84 But but you can open a from your pr from your laptop. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2406.55 2408.31 'Kay, save it as an image on the res 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2414.63 2416.04 Maybe not export function. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2413.69 2414.63 Export. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2413.8 2413.98 No. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2413.81 2414.1 No. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2415.64 2416.21 Export. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2417.44 2419.11 Well I can I can uh 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2417.79 2419.71 Export H. T. M. L. . 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2420 2422.13 No, and use an image if possible. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2422.83 2423.87 Huh, image? 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2423.94 2424.39 J. PEG. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2424.65 2426.16 G. yeah, J. PEG. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2427.34 2428.12 Yeah, it's better 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2426.32 2427.34 J. PEG. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2428.61 2430.94 Paper size A. four. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2430.94 2432.81 Uh screen size. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2432.81 2435.23 In this directory. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2433.86 2434.12 Yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2437.79 2438.14 N oh. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2438.73 2440.75 Oh yeah, it's not connected to the 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2441.26 2445.54 You all uh have the the questionnaire again about uh the after work. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2442.15 2443.06 to our P. C. s. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2443.19 2443.37 No? 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2445.65 2446.65 Yeah, it is connected. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2446.96 2447.63 It's connected? 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2447.73 2449.36 Yeah, I think so. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2450.02 2450.71 To room. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2450.09 2451.9 Deskt Huh. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2451.9 2452.23 No. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2452.65 2454.77 I'll just uh saved in my documents. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2455.81 2456.32 Oh. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2456.66 2459.82 Yeah in my own uh in my own messenger. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2461.67 2462 Yeah. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2463.48 2465.71 Project documents, yeah. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2464.53 2464.71 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2465.33 2466.31 It gives the na Oh. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2469.6 2470.09 Yes. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2470.07 2470.94 Okay, nice. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2470.3 2471.11 Okay, thank you. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2471.98 2475.42 The questionnaire, fill in uh we fill out d after lunch or uh 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2482.73 2485.31 I'm hungry, so do it after lunch. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2475.34 2482.73 Uh well, it's it's simply filling oh no, it's uh it's also filling out no, I'd do it after lunch I think. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2485.31 2485.79 Thank you all. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2481.15 2481.66 Okay. 
TS3007b H02 MTD026UID 2481.29 2487.05 Aye, cheers. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2484.69 2485.19 Yes. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2486.96 2487.42 Thank you. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2488.23 2488.78 You're welcome. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2488.87 2492.28 We can leave the P. C. on I think, yeah and return to the 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2491.28 2492.21 Yeah, of course. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2492.73 2494.73 Well I bring it to my uh personal room. 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2491.81 2492.73 Yeah. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2494.6 2497.66 Yeah, bring to I gotta bring it home. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2495.57 2497.52 To my exave executive 
TS3007b H00 MTD025PM 2497.52 2502.17 My executive uh big room with the with the panting. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2499.49 2500.96 A big office. 
TS3007b H01 MTD027ID 2519.67 2520.4 Yes. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2520.69 2520.83 Aye. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2533.71 2533.82 Yeah. 
TS3007b H03 MTD028ME 2539.16 2539.42 Okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 3.31 4.12 Hello again. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 4.62 7.07 Hi. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 4.9 5.4 Hello. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 5.62 6.79 Hey, Project Manager. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 10.16 12.66 I have a little problems with my laptop. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 7.52 10.16 Um, Project Manager, I have something to tell you. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 12.66 16.46 And uh s s s so I had a little less time to complete. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 8.86 9.3 Mm yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 12.49 13.05 Okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 16.44 17.01 Okay. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 26.95 31.04 I just thought Um, it didn't work anymore. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 23.89 26.95 No, a little problem, uh big problem. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 27.62 30.09 What was it, problem? 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 31.24 31.86 The laptop? 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 31.98 33.89 The entire Windows uh 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 33.99 34.9 It hang hung. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 34.93 35.9 It it hung. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 36.5 36.97 Ha-ha. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 37.74 37.86 Oh. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 40.64 41.52 Project Manager. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 41.43 43.24 Yes. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 44.12 46.25 You're our Project Manager. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 44.13 44.5 Yes. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 45.87 47.99 Your project manager. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 50.44 53.32 Welcome to the conceptual design meeting 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 54.28 55.39 for Real Reaction. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 65.72 72.12 And we um must uh reach a decision on uh the remote control concepts. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 72.12 85.56 Um uh, and at the end, uh I uh, when I finish it off I have some uh input from uh a master class I uh visited. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 85.56 87.27 information. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 60.34 65.72 Uh uh, also this time there will be uh three presentations. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 56.98 58.28 Uh, hello again. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 58.28 60.34 Uh it's uh the same as the last time. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 86.34 87.3 During lunch, yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 89.3 89.77 Master. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 91.02 94.31 He's the master, yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 93.41 94.25 Master of 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 132.32 135.74 Uh, with the type and uh the the supplements. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 93.56 99.5 The the the the the concepts on uh we uh where we uh must reach a decision on. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 124.94 130.26 Can you uh can you reload it or uh just have batteries which you must exchange? 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 99.5 104.72 Um uh, our from uh are of two sorts. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 135.74 137.31 So uh where to put what button. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 130.26 132.32 Uh, the user interface concept. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 122.68 124.94 Uh how how about the energy? 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 114.75 122.68 we have decided to do a do the uh with a touch-screen that must be a case around it so uh it won't be uh uh as breakable. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 108.51 114.75 Uh, the first one is uh really about the the the the the total package uh with uh Well 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 104.72 108.51 Components concepts and user interface concepts. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 144.79 151.1 At the end, uh I will take notes uh and at the end of the minutes uh will uh be at the shared folder. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 143.9 144.79 Okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 138.36 143.9 And uh uh I would say uh Jans, can you begin? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 143.15 143.91 Yeah, sure. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 147.13 147.66 Okay. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 153.41 155.27 Uh, let me see. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 155.27 156.76 I think it's this one. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 163.53 163.97 Ha. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 165.09 165.47 Wow. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 167.72 170.69 Uh, well, I'll be talking about the components. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 167.15 167.72 Right. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 181.47 183.8 Uh below forty five and above. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 172.11 181.47 Uh, what I did was I reviewed previously used items uh by uh two two uh different uh age groups. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 183.8 190.56 And uh I just uh watch what the differences are and I checked uh, well, what what d do we want 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 196.09 199.25 Well uh what I found was that a senior um 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 190.56 196.09 and how can we uh d aim a at uh the target group. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 181.46 181.78 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 204.57 205.09 Okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 205.09 206.69 Go on. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 200.06 204.57 I'm sorry. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 200.41 203 senior citizens uh 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 212.22 213.9 Wood and chrome. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 217.42 225.88 Um, uh they they they they like luxurious uh styles, where whereas the young and dynamic, they like a more uh soft materials. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 205.92 212.22 Uh They, well, they like more the they like the traditional materials, like wood and and such more. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 204.25 205.92 Ye Ah, it's it's okay. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 213.9 217.42 And uh uh they like uh straightforward shapes. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 234.22 236.38 Y y you get the picture. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 227.89 234.22 Uh uh, soft and fluffy and colourful and Well uh, shapes are curved and round. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 225.99 227.89 Think of the Teletubbies, for instance. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 236.38 241.39 And uh they like sports and gaming, and that gives them uh the vitality. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 241.39 244.79 Uh, so w well uh, firs Yes. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 246.94 250.01 Uh a soft material for a remote control? 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 244.17 246.94 Um about the the material. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 242.87 244.17 One one little question. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 246.26 246.64 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 252.08 252.35 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 251.31 252.08 You you'll see. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 249.95 251.31 No, I'll I'll get to that. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 252.64 254.72 Thank you. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 251.09 252.09 Okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 252.09 252.64 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 260.83 267.58 But uh the two basic sources that I found were the best possible were the battery uh versus kinetic. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 256.36 260.83 W I uh I had a choice between uh a few different uh sources. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 253.61 256.36 Uh, well f first off, let's start start with the energy. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 267.58 271.49 Uh kinetic, that's when you move something, then uh it gets energy. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 260.62 261.14 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 278.32 280.85 That would be actually very nice, uh I figured. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 272.14 278.32 I figured, well that's ki kinda high-tech, when when you have a remote control that well, when you pick it up, it has power. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 280.85 283.65 Well, we could also use a battery, that's a bit 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 280.24 280.42 Oh. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 282.92 286.8 Yeah but when the power gets low, you have to shake it or something? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 289.48 292.89 And then then it d then it has some more uh energy. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 292.89 294.73 Well, y you could just go for a battery. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 286.82 289.48 Yeah yeah, you c just you have to shake it around a little bit. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 286.5 286.82 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 294.73 295.92 Or you can go for both? 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 288.68 290.29 Uh, and uh uh 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 292.89 293.36 Hmm. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 296.33 298.89 Oh, have you considered the option of using a solar panel? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 305.41 308.51 Well, sunlight preferably. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 300.7 305.41 But uh the thing is about solar panel is you have to have l uh light. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 308.51 315.39 Uh, and you you could you could use normal light, but uh you wouldn't get the same amount of energy that you would from a battery or something. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 299.02 300.7 Yeah, I actually did. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 308.33 309.2 W nah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 311.36 311.64 Mm. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 315.5 316 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 315.8 323.16 Uh for uh ultimate b uh n uh use of uh solar panels, you could actually use uh you could use uh solar panels,
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 323.16 332.67 but uh you ha you'd have to implement them into uh the remote control, leaving you uh a bit less space for the interface. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 331.34 332.84 Mm yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 332.84 333.81 It's too less space. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 332.49 332.72 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 333.04 338.7 So uh so i i it it wo what's actually I I c just in f I've figured it out that well,
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 338.7 345.78 uh seeing that you'll always be uh within the l uh distance of T. V., and the from T. V. there comes a a a whole bunch of light. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 355.83 361.37 So I I prefer kinetic because it's uh well, the costs aren't that much higher,
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 366.32 367.05 I mean, if 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 348.38 355.83 But, well you just take up all the space, and you wouldn't uh have the full amount of power actually used. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 361.37 366.32 and um, ju just a bit more high-tech than than a normal battery. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 346.18 348.38 So it would actually power itself uh from a T. V. . 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 347.79 348.12 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 351.88 352.19 Okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 355.65 357.14 But you prefer kinetic? 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 358.26 358.62 Okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 366.43 369.2 Yeah, but you don't move a a remote control too much. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 368.44 373.16 No, but uh d Well, you pick it up and you press buttons and y well, you 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 372.43 375.65 And that's enough to to keep the energy level uh 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 376.08 377.87 Yeah, well uh actually it is. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 382.44 387.46 But, what l what Jarek said, you could you could use a battery that you'd just keep it on the recharging whenever it moves. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 387.46 389.71 And for rest, you'd just add juice on the battery. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 377.87 382.44 And it it if it isn't, you just shake it a bit and and add add with power up again. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 377.72 378.09 Okay. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 382.42 383.08 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 389.84 390.26 Okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 394.09 396.79 So Like slamming on it. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 396.79 400.49 It's exactly the same. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 390 394.09 And when the battery doesn't work, I usually shake it too. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 394.15 398.02 Exactly. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 394.58 400.96 Thank you, Tim. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 408 416.46 You ha I you sim uh you simply add a basic uh standard uh model uh it was kind of square and uh I figured that's a bit boring. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 398.16 405.15 And so that Uh Uh well, f furthermore, you you we uh checked uh the cases. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 405.15 408 We have uh different options uh concerning the cases. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 428.46 430.73 And that's like several different dimensions. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 416.52 420.4 So you you we could go for uh the single curved or the double curved. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 430.73 433.92 That gives you an whole new uh effec 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 420.4 425.87 Um, single curve, it's just a well, uh, you know, it's just uh a nice curve. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 425.87 428.46 Or but but you could go in a in an double curves. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 431.09 431.39 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 432.73 434.28 Dynamic dynamic look? 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 432.82 433.05 Hmm. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 434.26 437.61 Yeah, that gives you a younger and uh more high-tech look, I f I figured. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 437.61 440.39 But, that uh we'll discuss later. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 440.15 442.52 But, are you going to draw it? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 443.42 443.98 What? 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 444.51 446.04 The Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 444.58 450.65 You want me to draw in three-D. ? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 453.36 454.32 I could show you. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 454.32 456.72 Well uh let's say y uh you uh 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 450.65 453.36 Uh, yeah, I ca I ca I could I could show you. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 444.61 447.53 Th th yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 447.53 447.97 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 447.13 447.35 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 448.26 449.9 Uh, I c I can't imagine. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 451.05 453.19 I can't imagine how how how it looks like. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 459.29 459.62 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 460.47 462.68 Let's say that's your standard uh 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 463.82 464.29 Design. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 464.92 465.23 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 469.95 471.74 That's a bit your d standard design. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 471.74 474.83 But you could actually go like uh something like this. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 471.44 471.9 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 478.14 482.32 And then uh in three-D. effect you could go 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 484.15 485.07 Um 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 485.32 485.87 Uh 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 486.19 487.42 So y you you just 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 498.01 500.13 you could you could uh just play around a bit with. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 493.14 498.01 So But but you could have uh uh a whole new uh the back back the the the depth 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 500.13 502.47 You you don't have to use standard uh 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 488.28 493.14 Yeah, this is a this bit uh difficulty in I didn't take a major in art. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 496.97 497.43 Oh, okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 499.02 499.81 Okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 502.41 502.99 Oh, okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 502.94 504.21 A little artistic. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 514.52 518.4 You We could choose uh what uh what's better, plastic um or rubber. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 504.56 508.38 Yeah you could y It leaves more space for creativity. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 508.38 514.52 Uh that might be an idea, but just a Well, furthermore, uh well, uh plastic versus rubber? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 518.4 521.45 I I ch prefer rubber because it feels uh Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 507.05 507.67 Okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 508.06 508.34 Okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 521.76 522.37 It's soft. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 526.79 531.69 Yeah, yeah I mean uh plastic uh is Plastic also has that cheap feeling to it 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 522.54 526.79 Yeah, it's soft and it's that I like soft. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 531.69 537.08 like plastic uh Your your I usually associate plastic with uh something that's cheap. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 537.08 540.28 Uh that's maybe just me, but Uh, we could uh 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 523.63 527.92 That's the material the younger people want uh, ain't it? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 548.33 553.87 Well, we discussed it in a previous meeting, so I figured I'll just leave it at the L. C. D. . 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 545.72 548.33 Uh traditional uh or a touch screen. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 541.5 543.57 uh, oh, talk about it later. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 543.57 545.72 Uh furthermore, buttons. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 561.71 569.84 But uh if we decide to go on a n uh um L. C. D. screen, we would use an uh we have to use an a advanced chip set. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 554.4 561.71 And uh chip set, well uh if we are going to use traditional buttons, we could go uh with a simple chip set. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 569.84 573.05 And that would bring uh the necessary costs with with it. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 573.46 575.44 So that's something we th have to keep in mind. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 575.44 581.21 If it isn't uh manageable uh budget-wise, we'd have to go over to uh to sim to simple buttons. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 581.67 586.16 Well, I think uh we're going to sell tell ten millions of them. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 587.23 596.95 So uh I bet a big company in uh Korea or Taiwan, like uh Samsung, can give us uh a big discount on the chips, so 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 593.53 594.09 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 593.7 594.46 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 597.21 598.37 Yeah, probably. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 597.87 602.92 U usually, chips are uh aren't more expensive than one dollar. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 614.51 619.67 Uh what i what are your ideas concerning battery versus kinetic? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 603.54 609.74 Yeah, probably, but But uh yeah, that's that's That shouldn't shouldn't be uh that big a issue. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 609.74 614.51 I'll I'll I'll just add, uh uh I put a big summary here, so we could discuss it a bit. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 604.44 604.76 So 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 605.82 608.14 That that shouldn't be a real issue, I think. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 619.79 622.49 Um, I think you should use kinetic as a back-up. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 626.2 629.54 Uh, you use the battery and w charge it up with kinetic. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 629.54 630.97 When you pick it up, it charges up. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 622.89 626.2 Yeah, you you you should we should A combination. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 624.04 624.9 Yeah, a combination. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 625.13 626.16 A combination, yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 630.19 630.4 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 631.35 633.06 Like an uh aku uh 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 632.66 633.03 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 636.59 637.87 Well,. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 633.6 636.59 Acu uh, yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 637.87 638.22 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 634.22 635.39 Yeah yeah, I know. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 635.71 635.97 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 635.09 635.71 Okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 635.85 637.39 Just like the watch from Seiko. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 638.2 640.04 Psycho-kinetic. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 640.04 640.38 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 641.41 641.92 You agree? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 638.24 640.04 Yeah, I con Exactly. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 640.04 641.41 What uh what do you think? 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 639.83 640.36 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 641.73 644.77 I I uh I would prefer uh both uh too. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 645.42 645.89 Both? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 645.14 645.42 Yeah? 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 645.44 646.04 Combine them. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 645.61 646.16 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 646.16 646.75 Combine them. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 648.22 653.05 Uh, well that would bring the m m some more costs, but I mean the 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 647.07 648.22 Okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 652.34 655.38 Okay. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 655.99 659.58 That's the Project Manager's problem. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 653.05 655.99 Who cares, right. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 657.09 660.15 Buy a fifty cents battery and uh 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 659.73 665.46 Fifty cent. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 657.22 659.73 Of course. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 667.63 668.32 That 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 660.06 667.63 Yeah, well Fifty cent uh Uh, why doesn't And then we have single-curved versus double-curved. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 667.82 671.71 Well maybe I have something in my presentation to uh to cope with that. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 671.04 672.15 Okay. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 672.15 675.67 No, we'll we'll just wait and uh Uh, plastic versus rubber. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 677.67 678.16 You 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 676.35 677.67 Uh, rubber? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 675.67 676.35 Any ideas? 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 675.66 676.04 Rubber. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 677.15 677.86 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 676.34 677.15 Rubber. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 677.6 684.9 Um, isn't possible to make combination with kind of rubber is or bendable remotes where you've got a. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 684.9 688.69 Or do you think it Rubber casing, yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 696.7 700 So um, you could go for plastic, but I figured 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 689.95 696.7 Rubber casing, because well if you use an uh d a touch-screen, uh it's just a casing uh around it. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 685.2 689.95 Uh, I figured it will be m rather than hard Nah, rubber c uh this is a casing, yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 687.62 688.23 Rather hard. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 697.54 698.07 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 700.05 700.31 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 700.58 705.14 Um, well d Maybe I can ask it right now the question that I have. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 705.14 710.03 Uh, is it possible uh of is it necessary to make a touch-screen square? 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 710.03 711.05 It isn't, I think, yeah? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 701.29 702.63 I I I would choose rubber. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 712.58 713.66 Well, m I don't know. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 713.66 714.38 No. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 721.19 721.34 Hmm? 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 713.55 717.09 Well, I think that touch-screens are generally square. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 717.09 721.19 But it's the case you put around it that makes the shape. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 716.61 717.06 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 716.8 717.14 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 717.78 722.51 We're We put fashion in electronics, so maybe we can uh 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 719.1 720.31 That isn't 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 722.56 725.73 Yeah okay, but if you have a square uh L. C. D. screen 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 725.73 733.71 and you put a case around it that has uh like bulbs or that that covers part of the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 733.71 733.96 That 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 725.69 726.03 Mm yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 729.84 730.13 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 733.13 734.35 Yeah, that would cover it. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 734.35 735.9 That that would solve the problem. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 735.05 737.31 That's it's custom customisable and 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 735.46 736.81 Oh, yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 736.81 738.17 Okay, I I get it. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 737.42 737.97 Mm yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 745.61 746.44 Yeah, you too? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 738.32 741.92 So mm Uh uh so uh so what are the opinions? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 746.83 748.73 You you you seemed to hesitate a bit. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 741.92 742.89 Uh rubber or plastic? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 746.44 746.83 You sure? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 742.89 745.61 I I I prefer rubber. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 744.4 744.9 Yeah, me too. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 745.93 746.27 Yeah? 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 744.94 745.93 Me too. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 745.22 745.68 Okay. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 747.51 750.62 Well, as long a as long as it's it's uh it's firm,
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 750.62 755.07 and you don't uh it's not bendable or something, I th I think that goes too far. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 746.92 747.51 That's good. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 751.48 751.79 Mm yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 760.33 766.81 that that that that's gonna The the chip set will hold it firm in place, and uh and and uh and a L. C. D. screen also 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 755.73 760.33 Yeah, it it shouldn't it shouldn't flop over when you hold it in your hand uh No,
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 757.02 757.38 Okay. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 757.84 758.81 Oh. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 764.09 764.6 Okay. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 771.12 771.66 Okay. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 766.38 771.12 It might even bounce back when you drop it on the floor. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 784.06 785.81 So that shouldn't be a problem. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 785.81 787.28 Okay, well that's my uh 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 779.95 784.06 Well I figure if we go for L. L. C. D., we we should have the advanced. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 776.86 779.95 And uh, then also the simple versus advanced. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 768.12 771.88 Yeah it m might it might. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 771.88 776.86 Uh, tra uh traditional versus L. C. D., well I figured we we all set on that. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 783.64 784.21 Mm yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 783.64 783.91 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 787.87 788.27 Thank you. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 788.37 789.74 Uh, you're welcome. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 792.17 794.68 It uh 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 789.44 792.17 Can I uh do my thing? 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 791.69 792.8 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 792.8 794.09 Do your thing, Tim. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 793.52 794.47 Do your thing. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 797.03 801.47 Bring it on. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 797.86 800.27 Expert map. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 804.61 805.65 Okay uh 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 807.45 808.14 Last week 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 810.65 815.24 I went to uh Paris and Milan for some trend-watching. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 816.71 817.65 For marketing. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 834.2 843.22 uh the amount of money to spend, um what they like in design uh and material nowadays. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 819.74 826.59 Our research and development department and I went to Paris and Milan. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 826.59 834.2 In Paris and Milan, we uh asked different people, uh differing in age and in income,
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 846.28 847.98 Findings. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 847.98 854.67 Our main audience, uh so that's people below forty, uh prefer the following. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 854.67 856.51 At first, the colours of fruit. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 857.63 860.79 Very basic colours, like Janus explained. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 870.5 874.12 Um, considering material, um 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 860.79 870.5 Um, fresh colours, uh green, red, uh strawberry red, uh yellow, banana yellow. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 885.86 887.13 I think he did some uh 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 883.49 885.86 Janus m uh mentioned it also. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 876.14 876.88 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 881.19 883.49 Like a s soft material. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 876.88 881.19 They like spongy material, like yeah a sponge-ball. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 878.49 879.21 Spongeball. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 883.63 883.97 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 894.29 894.86 Okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 891.67 894.29 You wer you weren't in Paris? 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 888.84 891.67 some findings himself. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 894.86 895.52 Like this. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 889.83 895.9 Well, the Teletubbies sh 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 900.54 902.11 Fresh. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 896.69 900.54 Like big uh g flashy colours. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 902.11 903.29 It's nice, I think. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 898.85 899.45 Flashy. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 900.43 900.96 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 914.21 914.94 Uh 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 905.05 914.21 Okay, our secondary audience, uh people above forty a forty years in age, they like the dark traditional colours. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 915.92 919.51 Yeah, uh materials like wood that 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 918.79 923.43 Yeah, but wood is not a not a material you which you build a a remote control of. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 927.14 929.31 Well uh 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 924.49 927.14 You you could. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 923.37 924.49 Well, you could. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 924.05 926.6 No n j just j just a w 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 925.45 928.07 Yeah but never seen one. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 925.78 928.4 It'll float. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 928.33 931.43 No, okay, but just just a wooden uh look. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 931.66 932.71 Oh, a wooden look, yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 930.8 931.66 Case. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 931.99 932.46 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 936.83 939.1 The that isn't wood anyway, but Okay? 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 932.81 936.83 Like uh you have those fake uh fake panels on the floor. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 935.28 937.89 Tables. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 936.29 939.11 Okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 940.06 942.74 But, that's our secondary audience. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 942.74 945.9 So, uh we decided to take 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 942.73 943.05 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 947.25 948.84 mm yeah the people below forty. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 948.84 951.26 So, that this doesn't apply. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 948.69 948.97 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 957.98 959.25 They have to look fancy. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 954.01 957.98 Uh, there're some overall thoughts about new remote controls. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 952.83 954.01 'Kay, the third. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 960.7 964.58 Um, they should be technological in innovative. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 969.47 971.71 Uh, and easy to use. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 965.48 969.47 That means uh there have to be fancy things in. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 971.71 972.89 But that's common. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 974.79 976.27 My personal preferences. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 980.83 983.06 And uh, therefore use fresh colours. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 977.32 980.83 We have to aim at a mu at the main audience. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 983.48 989.26 Would you prefer uh uh that you can choose the colour of your uh remote control or 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 991.52 996.1 Here, think about removable covers, as seen in mobile telephon telephone market. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 988.72 991.52 Uh, I'll I'll come to that in a second point. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 998.43 1004.55 Like the Nokia uh the removable covers, uh just put a red on it and go to the shop and buy a green one. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 996.1 998.43 To customise your own remote control. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 990.57 991 Okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 993.81 994.21 Okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 999.99 1000.33 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1002.2 1002.61 Okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1017.4 1022.72 And uh it adds safety to your remote uh when you drop it. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1022.72 1022.95 So 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1010.7 1013.54 Um, two advantages. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1013.54 1017.4 Uh, it fits within the current market trends. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1005.49 1010.7 Uh, a third, material being used uh could well be stuff like rubber. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1024.19 1033.05 Uh to come back to your question, I think uh and the people in Milan and Paris also think that uh the rubber should be pretty hard. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1033.05 1034.06 Like uh 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1035.42 1036.91 seen on regular mobile phones. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1038.76 1040.58 Actually, they have a lot in common. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1040.58 1041.55 The phones and the 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1042.43 1045.83 Well, I actually saw a phone that you could use as a remote, so Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1046.36 1046.69 Okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1045.21 1046.01 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1046.01 1046.36 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1045.25 1045.86 Ah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1046.35 1048.06 Maybe you could use your remote as a phone. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1048.15 1051.85 Hey. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1048.4 1049.29 Hey. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1049.29 1050.85 That might be a next step. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1049.41 1050.99 There are numbers on it, so uh 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1052.47 1061.29 Uh, in my second sheet of personal preferences, uh we have to reconsider the speech function uh recognition. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1061.29 1064.71 Uh, it's very innovative. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1050.99 1052.47 Yeah, exactly. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1064.71 1065.42 Innovative. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1064.9 1069.22 So that you say um S. P. S. S., and it goes to uh Okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1067.8 1068.86 Yeah, like something. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1076.49 1080.23 But, we have to keep the cost in uh in mind, but it 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1068.86 1076.49 You you can see that the market is just screaming for new technologies, like speak uh speech recognition and stuff. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1079.91 1082.83 Twelve fifty uh 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1081.2 1084.96 Yeah, it it can be uh very expensive. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1094.65 1095.2 Uh 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1085.91 1091.04 Uh, building games like Snake or Tetris to amuse the younger users. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1091.04 1094.65 Uh, also the link with uh mobile phones. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1084.96 1085.91 'Kay, second. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1094.3 1098.93 Yeah, but you don't use that th games when you watching television, I think. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1098.29 1099.92 No, but No, okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1099.92 1103.55 But you don't use games when you're d when you're making a telephone call. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1103.55 1104.3 It's just the same. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1098.58 1099.76 Well, yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1104.39 1108.55 When your parents are watching some boring program, you can take the remote and do something else. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1109.01 1109.34 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1109.98 1110.67 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1120.35 1121.04 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1110.77 1112.82 When you're at college. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1121.04 1122.13 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1122.13 1125.34 Well, I do that, but Okay, and um 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1115.08 1120.35 You al you also take uh t you take your IPac and go uh play games. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1112.82 1115.08 Uh No. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1112.43 1121.64 Take it. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1112.67 1116.4 You take your uh remote with you to school. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1112.93 1122.9 You take your remote control with you. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1116.61 1124.54 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1126.15 1134.56 And third, I stick with it, the log-in functionality uh with the slogan, take parental control to a new dimension. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1133.88 1138.08 Very nice. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1136.68 1136.78 S 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1134.02 1136.68 Ooh. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1136.51 1137.89 That's it. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1137.73 1141.5 Uh great. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1144.68 1145.81 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1166.78 1167.68 In 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1174.79 1177.72 Um the interface contents. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1173.5 1174.79 Okay. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1178.66 1184.88 Well that's a just simple PowerPoint mock-up I want to m make it more as dynamic for you so I'll draw there. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1184.88 1189.34 But, the main concept is um take one big touch screen. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1190.75 1195.74 Um, always display the primary buttons clear and visible. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1201.4 1203.58 And uh make the menu structure changeable. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1213.98 1217 Or maybe even a step further when you want to um 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1196.88 1201.4 Maybe even li like this with uh u uses of a lot of space. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1203.58 1213.98 So if you press um system, that's Yeah, well m multiple system options can, maybe five or ten or or one, can fit in. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1224.51 1229.63 And um other buttons can may be displayed here if that's necessary. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1229.63 1235.89 And um well, how do uh do we want to look at uh uh f um Yeah Does a remote look Well 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1235.89 1238.72 it's you've gotta hold it in one hand. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1218.88 1224.51 t um have some other options that are not programmable with one horizontal button. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1238.72 1244.81 So um the middle like all remotes have to be in a little bit small, so you can put it in 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1248.27 1249.9 inside your hands. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1251.83 1254.34 But I think that's too difficult for this one. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1249.9 1251.83 And some remotes you can use with your thumb. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1254.34 1256.43 So you can make it s a little broader. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1259.82 1260.98 And maybe use your thumb 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1258.63 1259.82 And here? 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1257.6 1258.63 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1264.45 1265.72 And use your other hands 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1262.65 1264.45 on the on the main buttons. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1268.68 1271.28 So here are gonna be the program buttons. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1266.88 1268.68 on the menu structure. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1271.28 1272.97 One, two, three, four, et cetera. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1274.3 1277.41 And the the volume control and program control maybe. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1278.93 1280.7 And, down here, 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1281.83 1286.26 um, I added, this could be one uh big L. C. D. . 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1286.26 1287.45 Um, the menu structure. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1289.48 1291.26 So you can use it in uh in this way. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1295.17 1296.3 Um 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1297.71 1303.92 One thing you've gotta keep in mind, keep the remote clear of too much functions at the same time. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1303.92 1308.63 Um, know that if you are changing the menu structure here, um 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1332.25 1335.88 But just the um uh just in one button if possible. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1323.21 1324.63 And do not use too many levels. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1313.7 1319.62 But if you're programming the colour of the T. V., do not display twenty other options that are possible. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1324.63 1332.25 Do not have to select a screen first and then brightness and then colour and un-plus, and um push plus twenty times. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1310.1 1313.7 And well, I still believe you should keep displaying the buttons. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1319.62 1323.21 Just keep it as simple as uh as possible. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1337.39 1340.64 And um, well, you kn you all know the T. V. levels. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1342.08 1347.12 And when you get to n to uh to ten, ye and want to go back, uh well you have a problem. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1352.13 1355.1 And else, to one and through after that. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1347.12 1352.13 Just m most most modern T. V. s, you you press one zero, and it goes to ten. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1355.1 1357.73 So the s a button less. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1340.64 1342.08 Um, channel one, two. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1357.73 1361.03 And um, things like teletext, put them in the menu. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1361.03 1363.84 Things like um um 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1364.93 1365.18 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1365 1365.77 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1371.24 1372.79 L like in uh internet explorer. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1365.77 1371.24 Uh, what do you think about a back-and-forth come-up uh button? 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1375.93 1378.99 Is uh volume plus and minus? 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1370.39 1375.93 Yeah, yeah w Yeah, I I find I must trying to uh tell it. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1378.99 1381.09 And this is program uh plus 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1382.06 1382.74 and minus. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1382.74 1383.35 Uh 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1382.75 1387.03 Yeah okay, but does it that is for uh going from four to five. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1387.03 1390.46 But if you go from two to eight, and you want 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1386.58 1387.03 Yes. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1403.48 1409.42 And if you're using that button a lot of times, well of course the menu will still be displayed on the screen. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1389.05 1397.85 Or if you're watching Studio Sports on uh on seventeen, and your wife is watching some soap on two Well yes, I think that's a good idea. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1412.42 1418.22 But if you're really switching between two channels, you won't have time uh to d use the other options. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1397.85 1403.48 But um, well m my preference would to be put it in the menu structure. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1409.42 1412.42 You just don't have to play games uh in-between. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1392.51 1393.99 Yeah, and on two. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1393.99 1395.73 That you can switch switch easy. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1400.89 1401.46 Yeah it is. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1402.57 1402.81 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1416.27 1417.05 Mm no. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1419.35 1422.34 Um, yeah already already told that. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1424.18 1425.46 That's it. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1425.6 1426.62 That's my conclusion. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1425.19 1425.6 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1427.45 1427.66 Okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1427.92 1428.4 Oh, okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1430.04 1430.75 Uh 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1439.59 1442.94 The parental control, the games, and the voice recognition. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1432.2 1439.59 I think we can discuss a little about the the three uh kind of revolutionary things uh Tim uh came with. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1442.94 1443.6 Uh 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1445.39 1455.34 There's n not uh too much decision on uh that one so uh I think that parental control is a good function to uh to put in the remote. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1455.34 1457.5 I don't know how you think about it. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1456.71 1457.35 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1458.01 1461.08 Well, I agree, just put it in the menu structure somewhere. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1461.27 1461.57 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1462.47 1466.33 Um, yeah um system properties, um parental control. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1463.73 1464.33 Yeah but 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1465.88 1479.28 What I see uh How I see it is you put it on the the remote and then you have like a Windows log-on screen with parents, children. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1472.62 1472.92 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1479.51 1479.78 Mm. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1481.58 1482.85 Something like that. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1482.85 1486.72 And w when you want to use the parents uh option, you have to 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1481.73 1482.15 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1482.51 1484.37 Um, w well, yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1485.96 1487.39 It it has to be fast. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1487.39 1498.01 You don't want to to go down and watch the news at eight o'clock and turn it on and wait twenty seconds for for uh the log-on screen and then remember your code and all kinds of settings. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1496.92 1497.5 Yeah, ok 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1497.49 1506.83 No but I think most people uh find it uh much more important that their children don't watch uh sex or violence uh on the television,
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1512.13 1512.8 Uh 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1506.83 1512.13 and uh wait uh ten or fifteen seconds longer, so they can uh finally watch it uh because of that. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1505.62 1506 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1507.2 1507.78 Why 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1508.65 1508.96 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1511.56 1518.94 You c may use like when there's uh X. P., uh a simple log-on, d you just push uh one or two or three. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1518.94 1522.04 And if you push parents, then Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1522.04 1522.58 To log in. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1514.62 1515.67 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1515.67 1515.9 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1515.88 1516.32 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1526.16 1528.2 Like two one three. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1517.64 1519.39 Pu push parents. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1528.2 1528.85 And it's in. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1519.39 1526.16 That then then then you have to uh go to three-digit uh log-in. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1517.23 1517.64 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1525 1526.44 And if you puts a ye 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1524.42 1525 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1537.55 1538.17 Well 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1528.94 1537.55 And if you w you push p children, uh you don't have to uh log in, but you can only watch uh children's channels or uh Okay. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1527.79 1528.94 Uh-huh. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1528.06 1529.31 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1532.22 1534.08 It automatically goes Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1534.01 1534.22 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1536.75 1537.05 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1557.21 1558.11 I don't know what 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1541.18 1548.5 Because well it's a simple function, but it's gonna take a lot of resources and a lot of time um to programming it. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1537.58 1541.18 I don't know if it's worth uh the time and effort we are going to spend on it. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1552.05 1557.21 And I'm not sure if it's actually worth uh investing that much time and effort into it. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1548.5 1552.05 Because you'll have to start working with the profiles and such. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1551.66 1552.09 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1557.31 1561.85 Well I think that's a b there's a big market for it, because uh you Yeah,
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1561.85 1568.48 you read many times in magazines same kind of stuff, and you heard on the news that uh that he Yeah,
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1568.48 1578.6 they believe that children uh are influenced by the television, and uh Well, we're we're aiming uh to uh below uh forty uh years. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1578.6 1588.01 But there are a lot of uh people will below forty who have uh children in young age uh who who want um to uh not watch uh violent or uh 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1560.48 1560.69 Mm yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1568.12 1569.16 V violent T. V. . 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1582.51 1583.12 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1596.6 1604.58 'cause if my grandad would buy this remote, he wouldn't want to bother with all all the all the uh things to do. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1604.58 1608.69 Just make it an option in menu, ins install powerful profiles or something. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1590.79 1596.6 Just make through a remote as it is, but make an option to insert profiles,
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1587.61 1590.79 Well, maybe um some idea on that. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1590.42 1590.62 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1593.36 1593.64 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1597.6 1598.53 Yeah, of course. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1603.09 1603.45 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1608.86 1609.33 Yeah yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1610.1 1610.32 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1611.47 1612.94 That's a that's a better idea? 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1620.67 1624.47 But if you want to install it personally uh 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1613.22 1620.67 Yeah, w It just has to be w when it's deliver out of the store, it has to be just simple and plain. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1618.14 1618.47 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1620.72 1621.71 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1625.93 1633.74 If I got kids, and I could choose between uh two remote controls. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1633.74 1639.79 One uh w with parent control and one without, and I would would buy the one with. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1634.54 1636.29 Yeah, with and one without. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1640.27 1640.84 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1640.97 1645.55 Um, b well, still some question I have about how to incorporate those ones. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1667.41 1675.19 because if you're watching uh, I don't know, you're in the at day uh, cartoons will come up m on maybe Friday night. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1653.92 1667.41 and only for maybe after ten o'clock uh in the evening violent films and movies uh will come and uh maybe maybe some some timing uh will be uh needed instead of uh of channels,
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1675.19 1675.91 I don't know. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1645.55 1653.92 You're thinking about some channels they uh cannot see, but well, I I when I think, oh yeah, for the f for all the standard channels 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1641.82 1642.72 I th Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1665.17 1665.79 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1686.46 1694.98 But maybe there's some option that uh that t uh the kind of show view numbers are violent, and that they are blocked out. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1676.58 1678.49 Yeah, maybe it can work with show view. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1682.44 1686.46 Uh, when you tick in a number, it will uh start and end uh recording. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1678.49 1682.44 Uh, you you can control your video recorder with show view. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1704.12 1705.44 will have to decide uh 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1695.15 1704.12 Yeah, the disadvantage vantage is that someone will has to send all the show-view numbers of the programs that they remotes and edit it all 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1701.53 1702.11 That's true. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1700.45 1701.53 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1702.89 1703.13 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1704.31 1706.45 Yeah but yeah but that isn't possible. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1706.35 1707.22 That isn't possible. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1706.95 1707.41 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1714.92 1722.55 uh let's say we do, and and well whatever, cho uh child just goes up to the T. V. and presses up for instance. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1722.55 1727.99 Well uh, nob nobody's stopping the child from uh well checking uh the channel. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1707.34 1714.92 But, well, if you want to I i i if we in incorporate uh the parental control,
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1721.64 1722 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1728.86 1729.15 Hmm. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1729.81 1737.3 Well, yeah you could say if parental control is only it it'll go from fourteen to sixteen with the page-up then, but 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1729.9 1730.61 But that 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1738.46 1744.68 Well, I'm not sure because um for that to happen, you d you will have to receive a signal from the uh remote control,
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1744.68 1748.61 so it would, yeah, have to be constant uh constant signalling. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1741.02 1741.25 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1748.55 1748.93 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1749.58 1756.73 What m what may be better is to incorporate an uh a separate device that uh that you can program with the remote control. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1760.42 1762.52 And that's just an optional uh device. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1756.73 1760.42 And that uh provides parental control, for instance. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1762.52 1768.57 So there's n that's there's uh besides uh the remote control, you'll have a separate uh 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1768.01 1769.83 I wouldn't put it in an optional device. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1769.83 1772.27 That that then then then it becomes too much, I think. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1772.41 1772.62 Yeah? 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1777.1 1779.46 a parent profile, and a family profile, and otherwise. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1773.36 1777.1 If we do it, we we must do it in a kind of ways that like a profile,
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1774.1 1775.07 Yeah, and 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1777.87 1780.26 Yeah, on a separate menu uh option. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1784.65 1790.45 uh children can still go up to the T. V., p pop open uh the thing and and and g 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1779.95 1784.65 And and you know w uh when you install another device,
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1789.05 1789.83 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1798.3 1798.83 So 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1791.73 1793.01 Yeah, that's true. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1793.01 1798.3 That's true, but uh at same instant, same happens when uh you have remote control. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1791.93 1792.78 go to a channel. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1797.37 1799.15 Yeah, yeah of course. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1799.15 1799.41 But 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1810.2 1812.33 So, you you'd be 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1807.18 1810.2 and those people wouldn't uh necessary want it. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1799.89 1807.18 But, only difference is uh the uh the people buying the remote control will now get the f added feature of parental control 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1807.41 1807.64 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1810.71 1811.72 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1811.72 1814.63 But it's just an an added feature feature. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1809.5 1810.71 Ah it's Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1813.9 1814.97 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1814.97 1815.28 Okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1819.15 1821.48 I personally think that that becomes too much. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1815.28 1819.15 And what do you uh guys think of the games in the voice recognition? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1814.17 1814.39 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1822.1 1823.79 Yeah, well yeah, I 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1822.8 1825.26 It's more like it gets you to the functionality, but 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1824.49 1829.36 A mail too from management that it's very popular to use voice recon recognition. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1829.36 1839.06 But I don't think when you're watching T. V. uh, hearing loud noises from the T. V., someone screaming one, and you f the channel switches, uh Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1828.6 1828.91 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1832.8 1833.17 Mm yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1833.65 1833.94 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1836.52 1839.06 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1841.51 1843.93 But games. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1838.59 1841.51 Yeah, like f voice recognition is too much, I think. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1843.93 1844.67 It doesn't 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1841.49 1841.86 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1841.87 1842.19 Okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1842.19 1842.99 And games? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1848.32 1848.71 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1845.34 1848.32 I can see games happening. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1844.82 1845.34 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1845.48 1848.78 W you can put it on chip anyway, so uh 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1846.28 1846.63 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1849.17 1851.08 That that doesn't c that doesn't co 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1849.53 1853.8 As long as it's isn't a primary feature of the remote, but uh 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1849.58 1850.47 That would 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1853.31 1856.8 Yeah, that that doesn't cost a lot of extra resources, I think. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1855.38 1856.28 Okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1856.28 1859.86 So that will uh that that that must be in it, you think? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1860.08 1861.2 Yeah, that will be nice. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1865.56 1867.19 And the parental control are 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1862.65 1864.07 So the games uh are in it. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1861.31 1862.65 Okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1864.07 1865.56 The voice recognition are not. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1867.48 1869.15 Optional in 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1868.42 1869.05 optional? 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1868.58 1869.84 Yeah, it's it's in it. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1869.84 1873.13 But too ma I I think so, but 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1870.68 1872.35 But how we do it? 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1873.13 1873.48 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1879.88 1887.4 Is t some menu uh function, you choose parental control, and maybe four files will emerge from menu where put it on. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1877.87 1879.88 So we should make it too complex. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1887.4 1890.84 But uh how how it's gonna work uh uh will f be a problem. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1873.44 1877.87 Well, I think also it's a good idea, buts very difficult to incorporate. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1880.06 1880.54 Okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1886.44 1886.64 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1901.61 1904.57 Or are we going to put it in and uh just uh 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1889.7 1890.95 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1890.95 1901.61 Uh, but uh will there uh uh Like the first idea uh from uh You can buy it without and uh with parental contr control? 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1901.06 1902.28 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1902.28 1903 Well 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1903.81 1908.4 Ye I I think best would be uh to put it in and make it an menu option. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1908.4 1910.72 You can put on Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1910.72 1918.68 And you can just uh s when you buy it, you can select um personal preference, parental control on, and the password or something. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1907.12 1909.81 To put Yeah, to put it in always. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1909.94 1910.24 Yeah? 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1918.08 1918.55 Mm yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1920.17 1920.75 Well, I don't know. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1940.88 1945.45 Could ma make the uh simple model and the deluxe model, uh for instance. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1929.48 1933.72 So you could actually easily uh build in uh parental control. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1936.63 1940.88 So, a and that that way uh you could make cheap model and a expensive model. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1920.75 1929.48 I I figure if you had two different remotes, you could bo choose one with uh well uh uh a receiver in it. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1933.72 1936.63 But it would would be uh more expensive. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1944.77 1946.23 Oh, it's a p Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1945.77 1949.14 Yeah, but T. V. s aren't capable of sending. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1949.42 1950.5 Yes they are. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1950.5 1950.82 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1950.14 1950.36 Yeah? 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1951.56 1952.67 I thought they were just 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1952.92 1957.93 Yeah, you yo Yeah, but most often not. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1953.25 1955.54 Yeah, you you have some T. V. s any 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1954.98 1955.59 Yeah, some. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1953.71 1954.98 a able to receive. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1955.59 1956 But 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1957.81 1959.03 That is true, that is true. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1957.02 1957.81 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1968.86 1972.02 And there's just some little uh clock in the remote. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1958.79 1964.19 Well, maybe you just have to restrict it to what programs, where the parent says, you cannot watch channel seven,
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1964.19 1968.86 nine, and ten, and you cannot watch all channels after ten o'clock. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1965.44 1965.73 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1971.07 1975.35 Well yeah, you could you could easily you could easily you could easily to the mote control. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1975.35 1979 But you still have the problem about uh the television itself. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1971.38 1972.91 Yeah, j just some rules. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 1973.04 1973.34 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1978.74 1980.08 No, no, it's very simple. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1980.08 1983.79 There uh th I h I've seen some of remotes who have a clock in it. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1989.31 1989.75 Yeah? 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1983.79 1989.31 So, the remote does doesn't transmit when it's after twelve clock. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1983.27 1984.36 Yeah, yeah yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1987.81 1989.18 But, on the T. V. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1987.2 1987.81 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1990.16 1994.77 at least my T. V., is a is a compartment which you can press. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 1994.77 2000.59 And there are buttons uh behind it which you can use, if you d if you don't if you don't have a 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1994.77 1995.19 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1994.86 1996.42 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 1996.42 1996.83 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1996.95 1997.27 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 1998.47 2002.61 Well, that's To put it very blunt, that's not our problem. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2002.61 2008.17 Just have um the parents buy uh some glue and uh It's not not a part of the remote. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2004.92 2005.21 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2006.35 2006.76 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2008.28 2009 Yeah, of course. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2010.66 2012.54 Yeah, that is true. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2009.13 2010.66 Yeah, that is true. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2012.54 2017.02 Yeah, you could you could you could go like uh that that would actually make uh things a lot more easy. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2017.02 2021.11 You could just blame it on television and uh make it their problem. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2011.64 2013.21 You have to f Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2013.21 2015.49 Uh, or make it ourselves very diffic 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2017.22 2017.54 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2018.89 2019.16 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2022.8 2025.34 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2025.15 2026.94 Yeah, yeah, sure. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2023.45 2025.15 Yeah, I figured I figure we could do that. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2025.24 2025.67 Okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2027.93 2028.52 Or j Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2028.04 2033.22 Uh, I'm not sure what marketing thinks about it, but 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2030.75 2038.01 Ah I have to uh consult my legal advisor about it. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2058.46 2061.42 The buttons will be uh touch-screen. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2034.75 2039.63 Okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2061.42 2064.39 Uh but there may not be too many buttons. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2039.63 2048.33 So uh I think we have decided on the things that Uh from Janus, the energy, the combination between battery and kinetic. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2064.39 2069.86 And in the the menu structure, uh there must not to be uh 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2048.33 2058.46 The case will be double-curved and uh rubber, in a fr flashy fruity colour uh that with cover is removable. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2071.94 2074.03 Uh, too uh too many levels. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2074.03 2077.06 And uh it must be easy to use. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2082.67 2084.58 And the games are in it. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2070.69 2071.94 Five minutes to go. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2077.06 2082.67 The parental control will be incorporated, but it must be not too complex. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2084.58 2085.12 So 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2086.64 2087.07 Okay. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2086.9 2089.69 I think we have uh we have decided uh, okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2088.44 2089.3 Consensus. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2091.06 2092.44 Uh, little more. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2092.36 2092.78 Oh. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2094.83 2097.11 Maybe for uh Jerome. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2092.01 2092.36 Oh. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2092.78 2094.83 I I have one thing left. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2097.11 2099.61 Um, the views. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2092.67 2092.89 Oh. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2094.26 2094.58 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2096.9 2097.64 I'm listening. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2096.44 2096.9 Yeah? 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2100.57 2106.73 Maybe it's uh handy to build in an expert view and a simple view. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2106.71 2109 Like a like a moat or s or something. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2109 2109.65 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2108.6 2109.34 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2109.34 2112.16 Like at In the experts view, you have a lot of more buttons. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2109.1 2110.5 Um, well 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2109.73 2110.53 User profile. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2110.98 2112.64 Yeah, but you have that in the 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2116.25 2122.21 And when you push uh system properties, uh entire list pops up with e ev all kind of f stuff you can program. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2111.76 2116.25 What I was thinking about is just a menu structure, when you don't use it is simple. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2116.32 2117.15 You use the 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2115.61 2116.32 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2116.23 2116.44 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2121.96 2122.73 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2122.73 2125.5 It's already incorporated a little in that concept. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2123.94 2124.11 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2122.07 2122.73 Mm yeah, okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2122.73 2123.94 Fairly enough. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2124.46 2129.84 Well yeah, you you could actually build in a function that you can program it yourself, for the more advanced users. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2129.6 2132.35 Yeah, wh which buttons you like or not. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2133.48 2140.27 Because you can you can like build in a back-forward button, and uh some po somebody would just want to watch two channels. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2131.69 2133.48 Yeah, which buttons do you want to in it. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2133.9 2134.29 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2141.3 2142.9 Just leave the other numbers away. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2140.46 2141.3 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2142.79 2143.3 Okay. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2142.87 2146.73 Yeah, you could you could m have people want uh want that. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2151.48 2158.91 I went to uh a master class and uh uh two things uh are uh are uh can come in handy uh for us. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2185.94 2192.39 Uh W 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2182.75 2183.46 Oh. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2158.91 2162.65 First thing uh is uh we talked about knowledge uh management. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2162.65 2174.34 Knowledge engineering and uh uh the fact that uh that uh that the idea of knowledge, uh sharing and learning knowledge from other companies is uh like that. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2146.36 2147.96 We take it to the other meeting, okay? 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2174.34 2182.75 It's it's uh very hot at the moment, so it's it's mostly for the management expert to to look what other uh marketing or did I said management? 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2183.46 2185.94 Just talking about myself. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2147.96 2151.48 I have a little w uh little chat to do and uh then we uh finish. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2148.38 2148.67 Go on. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2147.94 2148.38 Okay. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2148.81 2149.73 Ah, yeah, sure. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2150.35 2155.1 A little chat. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2180.05 2180.69 Marketing. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2184.09 2191.44 Yeah, that's my function, to Okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2182.25 2184.09 Management. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2191.44 2192.17 Go on. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2203.77 2205.77 And uh another one. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2201.17 2203.77 Import export. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2192.52 2201.17 What other companies uh had to uh also with the the the the marketing campaign when they put on a newer remote, just some uh Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2205.77 2208.76 Uh, they're a ha they're at Yeah, benchmarking, that's the word I saw. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2204.58 2205.85 Som some bench-marker. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2226.21 2235.36 So, we must uh we must bring it as if uh Real Reaction is uh is big company, uh a trustful company, and uh it has m 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2210.25 2216.08 I uh couldn't uh Okay, uh another uh thing is uh there were there there was a survey,
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2216.08 2226.21 and um uh it came out that um people like to buy things from a single large provider, instead of those who uh are partnering uh with us. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2234.63 2237.07 How I know a marketing name for our product. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2237.17 2237.61 Okay. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2238.32 2241.23 R. th R. to the third power. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2241.23 2242.02 R. three. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2242.02 2243.46 Real Reaction remote. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2260.96 2263.46 Real Reaction remote. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2243.13 2254.56 I had a I had another idea to put uh uh the whole the whole idea of uh Real Reaction and uh uh uh a single brand and uh uh that kind of thing. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2263.46 2267.89 And uh with the with the with the motto, we put fashion in electronics. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2267.89 2269.16 And then you go uh 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2254.56 2260.96 When you uh put on remote, you see a kind of a just like when you telephone, you see a little uh animation. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2244.65 2245.27 Oh. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2250.83 2251.17 Mm-hmm? 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2262.8 2263.31 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2259.58 2260.86 Uh, logo. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2260.86 2262.8 Yeah? 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2260.16 2260.87 Bling. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2268.02 2269.65 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2269.65 2274.62 Yeah, okay, but it has to be like a split second, because you have to put in a code also and 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2271.16 2271.82 The 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2272.13 2272.46 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2279.34 2281.64 And it it l linger on every time you see it. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2273.42 2279.34 Well, you can show somebody a logo for point five seconds, they'll still remember it. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2278.83 2279.08 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2279.05 2279.88 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2279.88 2287.92 But w th the idea from this uh thing is that we must present it as a as we are a a single large provider who will stand on our own. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2293.46 2295.48 And it could just stay there. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2287.92 2293.46 Well, if you if you have the l L. C. D. screen, you can you can uh have a small logo i uh at the bottom. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2295.48 2296.86 Yeah, that spins around or something. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2292.83 2293.06 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2294.48 2296.65 That spins around like all the time. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2298.13 2299.95 But we we are uh 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2297.12 2298.13 Also also. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2295.07 2297.12 Mm yep, yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2295.77 2298.89 Very annoying. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2297.86 2298.14 Hmm. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2299.83 2303.61 It it's just like a uh globe in Internet Explorer. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2304.96 2308.07 Okay, but uh think about that kind of things. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2316.29 2320.02 So uh maybe you can go to Paris and Milan uh once again. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2308.07 2311.94 That's what they said in the master class. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2311.94 2316.29 N Uh, next meeting starts in thirty minutes. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2302.89 2304.96 Yeah yeah y yeah yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2303.92 2304.44 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2304.44 2305.46 Yeah, something like that. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2305.46 2306.52 A small icon. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2304.3 2304.61 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2306.01 2308.67 Yeah, I It's ok For f 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2308.1 2308.31 Okay. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2309.42 2310.84 Oh, for the next meeting, right? 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2313.25 2314 Who uh 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2322.28 2323.21 Ronald Betenberg? 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2318.87 2322.28 Who who gave you the master class? 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2321.64 2323.46 The master class? 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2323.46 2326.32 Franz Mehler's. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2324.57 2326.67 Okay, thanks. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2354.06 2357.19 But the most uh specific instructions will be sent to you by email. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2331.14 2340.48 Uh idea that you uh the the industrial uh development uh centre and uh user interface uh will work together on a prototype. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2342.6 2344.92 So that's a kinda new uh thing. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2326.63 2331.14 Uh, very special, uh next uh session. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2340.48 2342.6 And uh will drawing it on the SMARTboard. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2344.92 2354.06 And um, the marketing expert will uh will uh ke he will be keeping busy with the product uh evaluation. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2344.91 2345.03 Ah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2356.79 2357.51 Um 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2357.54 2359.59 So we're going to work together right now? 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2358.73 2360.02 Stay here and 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2359.25 2363.28 Yeah, the well, uh dids this what I uh what I heard. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2363.28 2364.69 I 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2363.66 2365.83 In the master class. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2364.69 2366.9 Not in the master class. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2367.13 2367.71 Yeah. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2368.17 2376.27 So you uh just wait for the specific instructions and uh But I think it was a very uh very good uh session, uh gentlemen. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2370.76 2371.66 P. . 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2376.21 2378.16 Ah, no new email. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2376.65 2377.29 Definitely. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2377.59 2377.98 Me too. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2379.65 2380.48 I will thank you all. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2379.78 2380.56 Okay. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2381.23 2382.9 Well thank you too. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2381.88 2382.35 Thank you. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2382.35 2383.48 Thank you very much. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2382.4 2383.07 And uh 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2383.79 2385.59 Thank you too, lord. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2384.92 2386.94 Give me a good evaluation. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2386.75 2387.3 Yeah. 
TS3007c H03 MTD028ME 2387.97 2390.96 'Kay guys, lot of success. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2390.92 2391.58 See you. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2388.12 2390.92 Uh-huh. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2391.67 2392.01 Cheers. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2390.55 2391.67 M Aye? 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2388.87 2390.55 You wish. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2392.33 2393.14 Cheers. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2393.14 2394.36 See you in a half hour. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2396.09 2396.75 Hey. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2397.83 2401.29 But keep an eye on your uh laptops for a real uh 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2399.13 2404.04 Yeah, uh I'm not sure if we uh we Because I saw something about individual actions. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2403.98 2409.76 Yeah, but th there's there's still the my uh instructions that you will work together. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2410.21 2410.73 Yeah. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2411.03 2411.82 Or uh 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2410.73 2411.03 Here? 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2413.57 2415.08 Bye-bye. 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2412.52 2413.57 That's not my problem. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2414.55 2416.12 So Stupid manager. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2413.26 2414.55 If you got a No. 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2412.73 2413.26 Yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2413.69 2420.36 Well, yeah. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2420.36 2421.91 Right. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2421.91 2422.69 Uh 
TS3007c H00 MTD025PM 2416.16 2418.83 The project manager always works alone. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2427.1 2428.1 Do you have new email? 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2429.41 2430.19 Don't get what's 
TS3007c H01 MTD027ID 2428.31 2429.41 No. 
TS3007c H02 MTD026UID 2429.52 2429.86 Hmm. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 103.26 104.5 Uh, what we going to do. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 99.5 103.26 Wouldn't wanna be Project Manager. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 104.5 107.51 Um, once again I'm uh gonna take minutes. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 110.37 114.06 Uh, first we have a prototype presentation by G. and G. . 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 107.51 110.37 So, um no presentation for me. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 115.21 117.66 Afterwards some uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 115.84 116.17 Yo. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 116.3 117.7 J. and J. . 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 118.93 124.78 eval eval evalu evaluation s sorry. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 124.78 126.95 Uh evaluation crit criteria. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 126.95 136.51 Uh, in combination with the finance I um uh I received uh a an uh an Excel uh file 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 121.2 121.96 Evaluation. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 121.81 123.08 Evaluation. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 121.85 123.42 Evaluation criteria. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 137.22 137.47 Hmm. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 177.27 180.01 Once again, forty minutes, so uh let's start. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 140.79 142.47 Um, you see. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 163.05 171 And after that, uh uh an evaluation of uh the process how we uh how we have done it here with the SMARTboard,
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 180.01 184.61 I would g give the word to um G. and G. for the prototype presentation. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 175.5 177.27 And uh afterwards, uh we closing. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 155.69 163.05 we must have uh some time for that uh because it will be uh yeah, quite a lot of mathematics. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 171 175.5 with the with our laptops, with the all uh all this. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 137.82 140.79 which we have to fill in later on. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 148.77 155.69 So, that's uh that's a big l so let's uh wait it uh um we have we have must uh,
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 142.47 148.77 Uh, and then we must see uh if we uh stay under the twelve and a half Euro. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 143.51 143.99 Interesting. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 143.44 143.51 Hmm. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 147.24 147.79 Ah, okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 148.33 150.05 Oops. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 149.33 150.82 Cool. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 150.34 150.75 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 150.75 152.58 That's gonna be t problem. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 153.94 155.47 Some creative uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 162.32 162.72 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 161.4 162.32 Oh. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 179.21 180.36 Ok okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 183.54 185.96 Shall I give a short introduction and then uh 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 186.67 187.29 Yeah, well sure. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 187.13 187.75 J. and J. . 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 187.57 187.91 Okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 187.84 188.45 J. and J. . 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 189.59 192.13 J. and J., okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 189.96 190.63 Jane and Jane. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 193.92 195.34 'Kay guys, take it away. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 195.09 195.29 Hi. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 195.55 196.2 Take it away. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 218.13 222.35 that is uh is easy to hold w in one hand, left or right handed. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 214.78 218.13 And um, well, we began with uh with a form of shape,
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 229.3 230.9 This uh isn't nothing. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 204.87 208.54 We decided to use a single touch-screen. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 208.54 214.78 So, we've worked out this concepts, how to how to hold it, where to put the buttons and and stuff. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 222.35 228.68 So, we made i it a little bit less thick and uh it has some ar artistic meaning. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 228.68 229.3 No? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 203.2 204.87 Um, this was our first concept. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 232.15 235.27 Idea maybe uh is better. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 237.21 244.16 Um well, during the meeting I showed you the concept of uh placing the buttons on top, usable with your thumb,
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 250.06 254.12 And it has to be acce accessible with your uh other hand too, of course. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 244.16 250.06 and uh the menu structure, uh if necessary, with your other hand, so it's just gonna hold it easily. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 255.5 257.81 So we began uh working out a concept. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 313.58 316.14 It won't uh roll around or stuff. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 327.63 334.24 The s panel we g you would hide with some more uh rubber layers, like we discussed early on. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 273.85 278.05 We have the more advanced menu uh setting right here. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 278.05 280.58 We have the sub-menus and stu stuff. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 297.54 299.85 And uh this is for the artistic effect. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 257.75 264.97 Yeah, uh well, and as you saw, we would just have the basic remote with the panel L. C. D. uh screen. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 321.81 324 Y you you may get the idea. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 316.14 321.81 But it will lie more in your hand like an old telephone maybe, or like these old uh phones. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 305.75 310.91 But, idea is for to stay in balance with these two uh with these two. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 285.38 291.12 As you can see, this uh there, there are uh two uh weird bumps in it. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 280.58 282.72 We made a top oh, or a front view. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 282.72 285.38 Just so like you wanna uh back view. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 291.12 297.54 This is for uh the added uh effect of uh well uh y youth and dynamic. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 324 327.63 So thi this is about uh how we figured it should be. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 299.85 305.75 Well, what we figured is uh we'll show you a picture later on you have more b a better idea after that. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 269.77 273.85 But, well it's standard they will be delivered with this kind of uh set-up. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 334.24 340.25 Uh, you would s you wouldn't see the uh straight panel, but more fluidly and round. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 264.97 269.77 Well, these would be the main buttons, h you could uh change them later on in your own profile if you want to. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 310.91 313.58 And so when you put it on the table, it will just lay down. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 309.92 310.11 Hmm. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 320.8 320.97 Mm. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 339.86 343 Yeah, the panel just uh of course goes like this. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 342.97 343.36 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 344.35 348.35 But the overlaying layer is uh a little bit uh curved and stuff. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 348.85 349.12 Okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 349.06 349.64 No, okay. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 350.26 360.06 And uh, in these bumps you could actually uh put some electronics uh that would you can make a more thinner uh design,
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 360.06 362.8 and that would actually look very nice, yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 362.8 364.73 And uh, about the colour, what have 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 358.78 359.12 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 360.97 361.39 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 371.87 377.22 So, you have room here for your battery and maybe even other um electronic chips. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 364.37 364.53 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 364.53 371.87 Oh, we added that this um can be held with your hands for this maximum is om yeah, one and a half centimetres. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 377.22 388.28 S and you can just be the the layer of the touchscreen and some have some wires underneath it to make it as uh thin as possible in the middle for good grip. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 377.32 377.65 Okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 384.22 384.41 Hmm. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 388.92 391.72 Yeah, f uh, as colours, do you do you have the picture in uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 391.81 392.05 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 401.98 406.11 It uh you just want to hold it you uh you are young and uh dynamic like us. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 395.83 401.98 Uh, you can see there's a v a very uh youthful uh dynamic uh exterior. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 393.53 395.83 Now, well this is the idea about uh the bumps. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 393.11 393.53 Oh yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 405.34 407.63 'S l it's like an uh Easter egg. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 410.88 413.21 But, this is like a remote control for children. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 409.06 410.88 We we want a more adult version. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 407.3 409.06 Yeah, it's like an e but this is for children. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 407.63 408.1 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 413.18 415.53 It's called a weemote 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 416.7 417.69 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 414.51 416.7 A weemote. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 426.72 431.21 We we just want to build a more uh adult vers adult version of of this. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 417.69 421.17 Hey, that's actually a brilliant uh marketing stand. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 421.17 426.72 Uh, but So this actually basic the idea. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 415.43 415.97 Weemote. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 416.82 417.31 Weemote. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 420.74 424.42 Wait what I w got in mind. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 421.33 421.63 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 431.51 431.89 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 431.56 432.81 Yeah, I can imagine that. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 432.37 439.7 And and for colours, we we figured starting with basic colours like uh white or metallic grey. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 439.7 443.57 Those are the technological colours actually, so it d 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 463.04 469.61 And young people, we think, are a little bit more flexible, they think, ah I'll buy for a couple of Euros some noi nice hip uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 448.18 453.11 so the young people will buy an orange and a red and blue and a purple,
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 443.08 448.18 It would be best to to appeal to a broad public and make the covers exchangeable 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 442.59 443.08 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 453.11 463.04 but when the o older people uh go in the shop and they see uh an orange um remote control, it would be less appealing than a white one. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 451.62 452.75 Or blue or whatever. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 463.47 463.71 Hmm. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 469.21 474.88 Maybe it's an idea to sell it without a cover, so that you can pick a cover in the in the shop. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 468.04 469.21 Hmm. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 472.27 472.7 Well, 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 483.61 487.16 that's could comes with it and you can buy, so we can make extra money. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 474.13 479.27 um I think a cover is necessary, 'cause als otherwise you'll just have the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 479.27 483.61 So, there must be some cheap standard cover, um maybe white or something,
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 477.24 477.93 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 477.93 478.48 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 481.89 482.51 Hmm. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 482.51 482.94 Mm. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 499.58 517.79 uh and uh in the survey from uh Milan and Paris uh it uh it came out that uh uh the d the older people are uh more willing to uh to spend money on extra features. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 494.18 499.58 Uh, we had decided to uh put uh some flashy fruity colours in it 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 517.79 524.82 So I think uh it will be a better idea to have some uh flashy fruity colours as as a standard,
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 539.63 543.3 So, maybe it's an idea to put that as an extra and not as a standard. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 486.69 494.18 Yeah, but uh you d you mustn't forget that uh our target aim is younger people. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 533.62 539.63 They want uh they want more luxury stuff, but they have the money to do it and they want to b to buy that. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 524.82 533.62 and for the people who uh really want uh a more sophisticated, more traditional look, they're willing to pay uh that. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 487.64 487.99 Oui okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 517.6 518.09 Okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 522.03 523.49 The other way around, you mean. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 523.87 525.17 Oh yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 529.48 529.79 Uh-huh. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 533.36 533.66 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 537.77 538.05 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 539.58 540.01 Okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 540.03 540.24 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 543.39 545.32 Yeah, maybe yeah, perhaps you're right. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 545.32 548.54 Uh, I I would I would actually agree with this sounds logical. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 542.41 543.39 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 548.9 549.59 Okay, yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 556.88 559.33 They'll please the elder users as well. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 550.45 556.88 Uh, maybe we could uh develop a cover uh with wood style. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 548.98 550.45 An another idea. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 556.64 556.95 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 559.13 559.41 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 559.83 565.87 Well yeah, a colour of a wood style, a white c and uh a couple of h hip uh fruity colours. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 571.69 576.9 This is banana and mango, not not purple or p orange and yellow. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 565.87 571.69 And lea uh l delivered standard with a fruity colour, but not too not too much. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 565.45 565.78 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 565.53 565.84 Yes. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 565.58 566.23 Nah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 566.23 566.37 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 570.29 572.33 Not not too uh yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 575.85 576.82 Yeah, exactly. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 585.41 589.24 Not too, but w a little, because that's our aim. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 589.24 589.6 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 577.41 585.41 But, the mai I think th uh the standard must be some kind of uh uh attractive flashy colours. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 576.46 577.41 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 577.65 578.04 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 578.04 579.08 Or blue or 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 585.55 586.29 Ah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 586.29 586.57 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 587.33 589.07 Yeah, li like like this like this. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 589.07 591.5 This isn't this isn't too much, is it? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 587.87 588.04 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 592.52 592.84 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 590.82 592.25 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 592.25 592.52 No. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 592.22 592.72 I f 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 592.84 598.23 Well, the buttons don't have to be uh all uh all of yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 596.57 600.09 Yeah, except for the buttons it's it could be a standard model. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 594.58 596.57 Well I I I think so. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 595.04 596.2 The buttons, I 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 594.69 595.04 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 599.09 599.32 It 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 600.16 600.74 Okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 600.19 600.5 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 603.7 605 Okay, that's that's it from us. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 600.41 603.7 Yeah, uh something like this would be nice. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 602.99 603.35 Okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 603.57 603.94 Okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 605.09 605.35 Thank you. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 606.4 607.45 'Kay, it's my time now. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 607.84 608.61 It's my turn. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 612.35 613.45 The Marketing Expert. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 613.91 614.36 Uh-oh. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 621.71 622.05 Okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 624.67 625.74 During the 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 627.36 628.1 Oh. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 629.66 634.15 During the design uh design life-cycle we uh 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 630.69 632.92 Sorry. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 636.1 640.78 we made lot of requirements and trend analysis and stuff. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 640.78 646.36 Um, now is the time to uh evaluate our prototype concept to uh 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 657.69 660.61 Um, we're going to do that with a seven point scale. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 647.78 649.99 to the past requirements. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 649.99 657.69 So we are going to evaluate the design according to the past user requirements and trends analysis. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 662.72 664.54 Opening a Word document now. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 672.6 672.85 Okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 681.09 681.7 We have to 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 676.27 681.09 One oh, okay, uh I have to expla explain something. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 683.09 683.63 uh 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 690.08 693.47 So, it has to be a group uh group decision. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 693.47 694.57 Okay? 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 694.57 694.97 Uh 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 687.31 690.08 be consensive about about things. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 693.87 697.44 Okay, so we gon we gonna evaluate the 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 698.23 699.61 The prototype. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 696.54 697.65 We're going to vote. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 697.65 698.23 We yeah? 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 699.61 699.83 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 698.31 700.01 Yeah, the the thing we saw. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 700.01 700.97 Okay, just saw. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 700.88 702.03 Okay, one. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 702.03 705.26 The remote control is designed for people with age below forty. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 707.74 708.15 Seven? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 706.94 707.74 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 709.32 710.32 Seven is false. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 709.96 711.71 Uh, true. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 711.71 711.95 Sorry. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 711.65 712.74 Yeah, b one or 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 714.21 715.34 Yeah, one I think. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 715.88 716.44 Most true? 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 717.05 720.5 Yeah, it's not just uh designed for people under the age of forty. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 716.13 717.05 Why? 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 720.5 722.89 It's also designed for people above forty. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 717.82 718.35 Mm. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 725.32 727.53 Or, more like a four. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 727.53 727.85 Three. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 722.27 725.32 Yeah, so so a o one is appropriate? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 722.9 723.36 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 722.93 723.39 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 723.61 723.87 So 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 725.47 726.98 No no, a little more in the middle. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 726.98 729.15 No, uh three or yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 736.88 739.52 But it's also designed for people of age above forty. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 727.34 736.88 I have I've Yeah, two or three, because it's not just uh the qu question is aimed at is it designed for people with age below forty. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 739.52 739.76 So, 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 732.68 733.27 Okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 738.5 739.13 Ah, exactly. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 740.02 740.49 Exactly. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 740.9 742.07 I'll say it's about three. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 741.79 747.79 Yeah, it will be primary appealing to to m minus forty, but also appealing to 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 742.49 742.85 Okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 742.77 742.96 Three. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 745.93 746.18 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 748.99 749.65 Uh, second. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 749.65 751.12 The remote control is beautiful. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 747.17 748.99 But also for yeah, okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 752.13 753.52 It's Wow. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 751.25 752.13 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 753.56 756.25 Yeah, acco according to us, it's one? 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 756.25 756.47 Or 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 756.39 757.79 Yeah, I I think 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 760.51 761.82 We have a wonderful 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 756.53 760.51 Yeah, it's the marketing uh angle on television. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 756.71 758.73 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 758.69 759.24 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 759.5 760.36 Yeah, p s 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 761.63 767.52 Of c of course you have to be uh very positive and uh enthusiastic about your own product. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 766.9 767.11 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 768.1 769.48 Well, it's also fancy then. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 768.97 769.65 Three. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 769.65 771.63 Uh, the remote control looks fancy. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 772.06 772.33 Yes. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 772.22 772.47 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 774.04 775.21 Of course. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 772.77 774.04 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 775.21 776.39 We have a perfect remote. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 773.46 773.69 One? 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 774.06 774.29 Yes. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 774.18 774.4 Yep. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 777.48 777.78 Four. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 777.78 781.05 The remote control has big, clear channel switching buttons. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 776.35 777.48 Good. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 781.26 781.61 Yes. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 783.65 785.7 Yeah yeah, oh they have to agree but 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 784.77 786.06 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 786.06 787.66 Leads to user face, yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 785.55 785.96 Yes. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 787.09 787.52 Daniel. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 787.12 789.1 I'm the User Interface uh Expert. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 788.96 792.17 Uh, teletext buttons and volume buttons? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 792.24 794.18 Um, uh no. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 794.18 796.31 You you've different menu. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 792.81 794.08 No teletext buttons. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 794.08 795.34 Teletext is in the menu. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 795.52 795.94 False? 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 795.95 796.7 Yeah, false. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 798.86 800.36 And volume is impo yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 799.07 799.99 And volume? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 800.03 800.89 Volume is true. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 801.06 801.47 True. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 802.18 803.13 Uh, hmm. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 803.02 803.85 Big and clear? 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 804.98 807.9 Yeah, the they are big and clear. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 805.49 807.39 Yeah yeah, big and clear. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 807.39 810.26 But you could make a teletext button uh six. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 810.26 814.82 Otherwise, the people who read this uh are gonna think we have no teletext button. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 806.68 807.62 Yeah, big and clear. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 808.62 808.81 Hey. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 810.72 810.87 Hey. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 811.89 812.15 Hide. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 817.68 822.86 So, it's w yeah, it it it it isn't entirely unclear, but So, I wouldn't give it a seven. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 815.9 817.68 Yeah, you can ch That's in a menu. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 814.45 815.9 Yeah, but but the teletext button. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 822.86 824.66 I would give it a more a five or a six. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 816.83 818.84 It's it's not yeah, it 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 819.68 819.79 J 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 823.08 824.56 No. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 824.56 824.94 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 824.63 825.46 Five? 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 825.46 825.82 Okay. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 825.91 826.89 Uh, I don I don't know. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 826.89 828.91 What do you think, uh Mister Project Manager? 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 826.94 828.18 Yeah, it's it's yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 828.4 829.24 Well, I agree. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 827.84 828.4 Oh, okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 830.52 832.09 I was thinking very black and white. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 830.9 830.96 Hmm. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 833.34 833.77 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 833.83 836.26 Black and red. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 835.06 838.81 Thank you J. . 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 842.39 842.69 Uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 838.78 842.39 Okay, don't forget to save it. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 839.53 840.96 Red. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 840.96 842.32 Okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 842.32 842.91 Volume. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 844.82 846.79 The remote control is easy to be found. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 847.01 853.2 Uh well, when we put in fancy colours, yeah and Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 849.69 855.93 Fruity. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 854.16 857.35 So, if you so if you have trouble finding it 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 851.08 854.16 Yeah, it has these all these fruity colours and it has a strange shape. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 860.82 861.55 So 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 856.15 860.82 But, um it it's not making any sound uh, have we deciding? 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 862.77 872.28 If you put uh your normal uh remote control under your bed, or you throw this remote control under your bed, is it better findable? 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 859.88 862.77 Oh, okay, but 'kay, look. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 876.47 877.26 Yeah, I think so. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 873.89 876.47 We have the better re I don't know. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 871.75 873.89 It'll make a difference. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 877.26 878.75 My remote control's black. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 878.71 880.04 A li little bit maybe? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 879.87 881.27 A little bit, but yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 880.37 881.51 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 881.51 884.13 Well, we p we can do it glow in the dark. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 884.13 886.71 So, if it's in the dark place, you still see it glowing. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 881.58 881.93 Four? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 882.37 882.52 Uh 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 882.81 883.02 Fi 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 884.02 885.06 K yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 885.06 887.11 Fo fo yeah fo five is. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 884.3 884.62 I 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 888.32 892.06 It's it's it doesn't really make a lot of 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 886 888.32 Ah, I I I think five. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 892.42 894.78 Well, then uh then I'll go for four. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 894.78 898.75 Because uh four is between three and uh uh also between between true and false. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 898.75 898.83 Uh, 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 894.19 894.53 Four? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 898.02 899.27 Yeah, okay, you're right. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 899.22 903.18 Yes, but five is between four and six. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 899.98 901.96 I think Ah, you must see it as 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 899.98 900.99 so I'll I'll go for four. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 903.05 908.38 uh, w uh according to uh the the other uh remote controls,
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 908.38 913.38 there may uh uh be there in your uh T. V. room, this one will stand out, I think. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 903.64 903.95 Wha 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 908.96 909.41 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 909.89 910.18 B. . 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 911.08 911.41 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 913.14 914.84 Yeah, that that's a better question actually. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 913.54 913.77 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 914.21 915.6 Yeah, it it's 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 915.48 918.45 If your uh fifteen remotes in a drawer, uh you find it, yeah? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 914.74 915.48 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 915.02 917.09 Exa I think that that's what it's about. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 923.92 924.55 So 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 918.46 923.92 If it if this lying on your couch, you're you're you think what's that for kinda orange uh thing. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 923.84 929.7 But but the survey under users was that they uh really lost it. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 922.53 923.84 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 925.73 925.99 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 930.38 931.66 Yeah, that's stupid. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 931.58 937.64 Like, no not uh not seeing it, but lost it in the house or something. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 937.64 938.14 But, okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 937.23 937.79 Okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 937.25 938.94 Uh, but when you lost it you're just not 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 946.14 946.74 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 946.74 947.75 Yeah, what is that. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 938.17 946.14 Well, if i if you see a strange shape lying somewhere, uh then you'd uh recognise it as, whoa, that is strange. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 947.75 947.85 Uh, 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 943.72 949.08 That's our remote control. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 949.8 952.93 Eight, the remote control has fresh, fruity colours. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 944.24 947.19 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 948.89 949.8 Okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 947.19 948.89 Yeah, I I agree, I agree. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 944.37 947.77 Yeah, mostly when you lose your remote control, it it's under your 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 949.07 949.48 so it's 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 949.26 951.11 Most of times when you lose it you're sitting on it. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 951.11 951.29 Uh 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 952.65 954.02 True. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 952.65 959.89 Um I would call uh choose two, 'cause we decided not to make two f uh fresh colours, as it would not. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 956.06 958.73 Yeah, yeah, not too flashy. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 957.89 958.23 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 960.42 962.38 The remote control is made of soft material. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 962.93 963.39 Um, 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 963.06 964.43 Yeah, rubber, is kind of soft. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 964.35 967.1 kinda soft, but but not this. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 967.1 967.33 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 964.61 966.64 Yeah, but not too soft we have decided. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 966.94 967.23 Three? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 968.01 968.59 Three, yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 968.77 968.96 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 970.53 973.1 Yeah yeah, easy to use, very afford. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 972.19 972.56 One. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 971.45 972.19 Easy to use. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 972.91 973.67 Easy to use? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 973.57 975.3 Yeah, can it be zero? 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 974.59 977.44 Well, I don yeah, it is kind of 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 978.18 980.21 It's it's not the most easy to use 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 976.79 978.18 Top easy to use? 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 978.24 978.62 It 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 984.12 992.12 But then you're l yeah, but then you'll lose function f yeah, functionality and our fancy uh look, so. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 979.71 984.12 No, you can do two, because um it can be easier. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 979.97 980.28 Uh 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 979.85 979.97 No. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 981.81 982.75 It can be easier. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 983.73 984.35 It could yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 984 986.6 Jus just with ten buttons, that's the easiest. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 987.82 988.81 Functional ability. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 988.22 988.53 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 992.14 996.21 Yeah, but the most uh easy to use is just with one button 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 994.05 994.24 But 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 995.06 999.24 It is r it is rather easy to use, because you have the primary buttons always visible. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 997.37 997.69 on t 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1000.22 1004.06 Yeah, okay, but easy n not not the most easy to use, I think. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1005 1007.44 My vote's on two. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1003.26 1005 No, it's it I I'll go for two. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1003.56 1003.74 No. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1005.21 1005.55 Two? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1005.87 1006.9 Yeah, m mine too. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1007.02 1007.61 Yeah, two. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1005.93 1007.02 Okay, two. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1008.46 1010.38 We also have to compare it to the uh 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1012.02 1014.2 to the remote controls on the market nowadays. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1014.2 1014.39 So 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1014.38 1016.79 Yeah, but waits just a minutes. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1016.79 1017.87 Inspiration. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1020.81 1025.21 We also have uh to do the evaluation, uh the production costs and uh stuff. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1020.19 1020.81 What's the time? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1022.58 1024.76 These are the m regular remotes. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1024.99 1026.75 Yeah yeah, I'm uh hurrying. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1027.98 1029.44 The remote control is innovative. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1026.75 1027.98 Okay, eleven. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1029.86 1030.25 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1030.01 1031.51 Yes, true, one. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1030.36 1030.64 Yes. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1032.21 1034.38 A very of course. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1032.35 1033.26 You're agree, Tim? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1034.77 1039.3 You haven't seen a more innovative uh thing in uh Paris? 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1037.09 1041.23 The remote control has m remova removable from Multilux. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1040.2 1041.68 Yes, one. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1042.86 1044.54 Very multifunctional. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1046.24 1046.46 No. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1051.92 1052.45 False. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1047.4 1051.92 The remote control, i it has speech recognition. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1052.07 1052.73 Yes, it 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1052.08 1052.53 False. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1053.78 1055.89 This is used with speech recognition, this. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1055.9 1057.67 The remote control has built-in games? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1057.67 1057.94 Yes. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1059.09 1064.44 But uh, maybe make it two, because the games are in a sub-menu and not uh it's not an entire game. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1063.76 1065.44 Yeah, but they are built in, so it's one. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1065.23 1066.26 Yeah, they are built in. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1066.23 1066.43 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1066.25 1066.93 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1067.74 1068.28 Not down. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1067.95 1077.25 Okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1068.68 1076.36 And the last, paren parental advisory function. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1070.85 1080.43 You really like the parental advisory. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1073.33 1074.04 Yes. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1078.64 1079.7 Freak. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1078.72 1081.38 Yes, I do. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1080.83 1082.38 Th did you make this or the 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1081.92 1082 Bu 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1082.75 1083.4 Save as. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1083.55 1086.39 Yeah, he made it. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1084.55 1085.18 Yeah, 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1087.17 1088.17 It changes it maybe. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1088.65 1090.79 Okay, I will uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1093.55 1094.07 Oh yay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1093.8 1095.09 do the the math. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1095.47 1096.36 Oh dear. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1096.23 1096.96 Now it's your turn. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1097.21 1097.96 Okay, thank you. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1102.68 1103.83 We'll see. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1106.99 1107.16 Hmm? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1113.18 1113.26 Mm. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1140.54 1142.81 But i is it if it is b Huh? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1144.32 1146.07 Okay so,. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1146.07 1147.41 Redesign. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1133.2 1140.54 If it's under uh twelve and half Euro, then it's uh ok uh okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1147.41 1149.48 Oh yeah, if they under Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1142.81 1144.32 No, this isn't right. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1128.19 1133.2 Okay, we have now to c uh to calculate the production cost. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1146.78 1148.33 If they're under twelve fifty. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1150.59 1150.94 No. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1166.6 1170.86 Otherwise, we have uh do uh have to do a little uh redesign uh thingy. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1153.78 1155.33 Yeah, it's sorry. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1152.57 1153.78 Oh yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1158.1 1166.6 uh then we uh can uh ra uh move on to the project evaluation, as we have uh experienced it. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1155.33 1158.1 Yeah, if the costs are under twelve and a half Euro,
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1170.86 1171.21 So 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1153.2 1154.53 Cau 'cause so it's okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1152.77 1153.2 Yeah? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1177.88 1187.61 We have to uh fil uh, want to uh do it in and uh see uh if we stay under the twelve and a half Euro. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1190.05 1190.4 No. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1187.61 1190.05 So, do we have uh a hand dynamo? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1173.78 1177.88 Uh, we have to fill in the numbers of the component uh components. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1190.04 1190.36 No. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1191.48 1192.2 That's zero. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1191.69 1191.9 Me, too. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1196.22 1197.08 One, yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1194.42 1195.35 Battery, yes. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1195.35 1196.22 One. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1196.05 1196.3 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1194.74 1196.05 Yes. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1195.21 1196.77 Battery, one? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1196.77 1197.16 Okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1200.11 1200.34 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1198.52 1200.11 Kinetic, one. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1202.64 1206.17 Okay, uh simple chip on print? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1200.43 1202.64 Okay, solar cells, zero. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1206.17 1206.58 No? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1199.01 1200.43 Kinetic, one? 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1199.86 1200.1 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1199.17 1199.86 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1202.14 1202.48 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1204.16 1205.61 Uh, n no. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1205.55 1205.71 No. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1207.89 1208.75 Advanced chip. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1208.02 1208.32 No. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1208.04 1210.16 No, advanced chip. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1210.16 1212.09 Sample sensor sample speaker? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1208.45 1208.79 No. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1209.46 1209.6 Yes. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1211.96 1214.45 No, the advanced chip is uh 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1212.21 1212.47 No. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1212.83 1214.36 Advanced chip is three. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1215.81 1216.13 Three? 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1215.97 1217.15 Three Euros, yep. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1217.07 1217.38 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1218 1218.74 We have one 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1217.07 1218 Uh, we have one. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1217.21 1221.78 Yeah uh, but it it's one one thing, it's three Euro. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1221.78 1223.58 Uh, what's the sample sensor? 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1219.02 1220.14 Okay, one piece, yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1221.71 1222.8 No, sev zero. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1221.79 1222.24 No. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1223.94 1227.28 Well, that's um yeah, speech recognition and s 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1225.04 1226.6 Speech recognition, I think. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1225.93 1227.92 Yeah, you give it a sample, uh one. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1226.73 1227.49 Okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1232.22 1232.88 No. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1242.23 1245.04 So it's only uh once double-curved. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1232.88 1240.49 But is it s it's not made from a single uncurved thingy and then uh and then uh no? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1228.9 1230.06 Zero. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1240.49 1242.23 Okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1230.06 1232.22 Uh, uncurved flat. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1231.7 1231.96 No. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1231.9 1232.44 No. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1231.99 1232.44 A zero. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1234.33 1234.55 No. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1234.36 1235.34 You no. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1237.49 1237.86 No. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1237.11 1237.49 No. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1238.26 1238.88 Thingy. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1245.2 1245.42 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1247.07 1247.26 Eight. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1245.53 1247.07 Yes, three. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1245.95 1252.17 Yeah, 'cause um the layer around it fits around the bubbles on the o on the uh the back of the 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1250.96 1251.65 Okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1251.65 1257.66 We're now in a problem, 'cause uh we have uh reached eleven Euro yet. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1258.6 1260.32 So 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1257.28 1258.6 Uh, we don't have anything else. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1258.69 1259.75 Okay, go on. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1259.75 1260.32 Just go on. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1259.63 1261.07 Okay, but uh we have 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1260.42 1260.92 Just go on. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1260.92 1263.86 Then we'll see uh we'll we'll see uh wha how much we are over budget. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1264.19 1264.63 Okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1265.17 1267.68 Could you step a little to the right ma Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1267.68 1268.17 Oh, sorry. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1266.22 1266.55 Two. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1269.16 1269.49 Two. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1269.78 1271.18 Uh, rubber. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1270.86 1271.29 Or 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1272.4 1272.67 You. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1272.5 1273.07 Zero. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1273.22 1273.86 And zero. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1273.23 1274.65 Titanium, no? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1277.36 1278.42 Mm. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1274.9 1277.36 Special uh is the special colour? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1276.05 1276.83 Special colour? 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1277.48 1278.08 I don't think so. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1282.33 1284.19 Yes, this is a special colour. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1278.08 1282.33 No, this is a standard colour. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1278.38 1278.72 No. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1279.66 1286.45 Yeah, but we want to make uh the wood colours, uh that uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1286.09 1289.51 Yeah, if if you're honest, we'll uh type one, special colour. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1279.72 1286.09 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1280.22 1282.68 S 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1288.5 1293.21 Yeah, but but D but Daniel, tha that's that's another brand. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1293.21 1294.34 That's another article 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1289.26 1290.41 That's an add-on. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1290.79 1291.51 Yeah, one. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1295.66 1296.19 to sell. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1296.48 1296.94 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1301.09 1302.38 But yeah, it's it's it 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1297.94 1301.09 Yeah, but we we going to yeah yeah, that's true. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1301.83 1305.94 Uh, j maybe we'll finish uh the the list first and then look back, aye? 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1301.83 1303.63 That doesn't account for this. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1303.63 1304.5 Producing this. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1305.51 1307.4 Okay, the push-button, no. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1307.51 1308.17 No. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1308.17 1309.06 Scroll wheel, no. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1308.89 1309.9 Scroll-wheel, no. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1310.09 1311.08 No. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1314.72 1317.22 Uh, button, no. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1311.02 1311.8 No. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1321.03 1322.33 Okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1317.22 1321.03 No, the the we don't have a s no. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1311.8 1313.12 Oh, no. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1313.12 1314.72 Yes, one. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1322.33 1323.11 Oh, okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1323.11 1326.35 So, um what's the thing we can change? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1314.26 1314.87 One, yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1316.77 1317.07 No. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1319.77 1319.94 No. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1317.77 1319.77 Mm, is it No. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1317.12 1317.77 No. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1318.56 1318.89 These three. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1320.06 1320.47 No. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1320.09 1322.95 Well, we're only four Euro over budget. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1322.95 1323.18 But 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1322.62 1323.1 So 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1326.5 1327.24 No. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1327.24 1327.43 No. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1326.5 1329.99 Well, other case, we can make it single-curved or uncurved. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1330.3 1330.47 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1337.51 1343.69 The kinetic thing, can we just skip it, because uh you have to shake it, but that's not really innovative. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1333.35 1337.51 No, can I say something uh as Project Manager? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1330.33 1333.35 Uh, can I uh I say something? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1330.43 1332.66 Mm, single-curves. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1333.23 1335 Yeah, of course. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1334.38 1334.62 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1340.15 1340.86 Or yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1337.08 1340.15 Just cut off the kine yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1339.94 1340.33 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1340.33 1340.91 Okay, sure. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1345.29 1346.71 Mobile phones nowadays. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1343.29 1345.29 Yeah, we just put a good battery it it. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1344.26 1344.53 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1346.85 1349.82 Daniel, what do you think about Here. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1349.82 1357.22 What do you think about uh putting a battery in it, but also selling like uh the covers,
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1357.22 1364.43 a docking station just apart from the from the thing, so that you can uh put uh 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1345.86 1346.85 Daniel. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1347.55 1348.33 Yo. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1348.33 1349.87 Sorry, yeah, yes. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1346.06 1347.55 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1353.06 1353.37 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1361.93 1362.23 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1365.69 1369.34 rechargeable batteries in it and just 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1367.89 1368.32 Okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1368.38 1373.55 But you can use rechargeable batteries anyway, just you s you have to recharge them manual. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1373.75 1378.13 But we if you forget about the kinetic, well if we do that, 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1371.98 1373.75 Yeah, and not really. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1372.62 1373.56 Yeah, yeah, okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1375.03 1376.16 Just an idea. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1376.16 1376.39 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1376.08 1377.66 Yeah, that's a cost reduc 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1376.14 1376.69 Yeah, sure. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1379.34 1380.31 we shall. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1380.7 1381.03 Ah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1381 1384.3 Okay, well you you can go from double-curved to single-curved. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1381.67 1382.64 So um 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1384.81 1385.67 Yeah, of course. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1386.02 1387.72 And that would solve the budget problem. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1388.03 1393.48 Uh, b but i but the single-curved is just oh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1388.29 1390.86 Yeah, so we have to bake the ba back flat, and then 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1390.98 1391.15 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1393 1395.11 It's just yeah well, the single-curve that 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1398.5 1398.82 Or 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1393.24 1398.5 No, it's it's just one curve and not a back uh curved I think. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1399.99 1402.5 So that's wh tha that's one option. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1398.26 1399.99 Oh, okay, okay. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1399.32 1400.03 Exactly, yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1398.75 1399.32 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1401.58 1402.08 Uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1399.94 1401.58 Or are these two curves? 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1400.32 1400.51 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1403.8 1406.03 And then w yeah, and then we could have it 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1406.03 1411.65 but uh it's its' well it's it's r it is the main point of the the the the look. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1406.02 1406.81 Yeah, 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1413.62 1415.99 No advanced chip, uh that's a little bit of problem. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1410.74 1413.62 Yeah, but what else uh do we have to cut out? 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1413.57 1414.53 We going to cut 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1418.26 1419.1 So uh, 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1415.86 1418.26 No, tho uh that that can be done. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1416.23 1416.48 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1418.7 1420.72 Although, can we make it with a regular chip? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1420.27 1423.71 okay, a little less uh conversation. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1423.15 1423.58 Curvy. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1423.56 1428.12 Hey, those ar arcs, why are there for? 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1428.12 1429.47 The blue blue uh 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1427.98 1428.26 Sorry? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1430.67 1433.35 Fill in Just a 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1433.47 1433.9 Okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1434.61 1435.53 Twelve fifty. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1435.53 1436.07 Well 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1433.74 1434.61 Explanation. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1434.51 1435.42 explanation. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1435.42 1436.74 I can delete it for you if you want. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1436.8 1437.52 No, no no. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1437.89 1443.45 So, if we do this, uh we're on uh twelve and a half Euro. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1443.45 1444.03 And we're done. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1447.63 1448.77 Do we have to u adapt it? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1444.9 1447.63 Yeah, but does it fit with our design? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1447.81 1451.96 Uh well, the only uh thing that don't 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1451.66 1452.67 It's single-curves. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1454.83 1455.33 So 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1452.56 1454.83 Yeah, single-curved, but there's a curve in it. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1453.07 1453.3 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1453.58 1454.03 W 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1454.9 1458.98 Could we just make the bubbles uh cut off the back, and then we're uh has 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1458.66 1460.89 Yeah, we just make it flat. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1460.89 1462.34 But, you do l 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1460.24 1460.56 Okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1470.58 1471.02 But 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1460.54 1470.58 But, wha 'Kay, look, what is the uh If you make it double-curved, it costs one Euro more. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1469.14 1469.94 More. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1470.73 1471.69 You make it optional. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1469.94 1470.73 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1472.35 1472.95 No, but 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1474.47 1480.06 does it have a lot of extra uh fun function more like 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1477.38 1477.8 Function. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1478.4 1478.92 Functional. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1482.22 1482.7 No, um 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1479.68 1482.22 Worth, does it have added worth? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1480.23 1483.84 Uh, there's an a a athe aesthetic value, but not functionality. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1481.49 1481.8 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1485.32 1485.69 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1483.36 1485.32 Yeah, it's really a static value. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1484.1 1485.15 Yeah, uh aesthetic. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1486.42 1491.24 I mean, uh you make like eleven and a half Euros profit 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1493.55 1494.74 instead of twelve and a half. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1494.74 1494.95 But 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1496.35 1500.39 I don't know if twelve and a half is uh a fixed uh fixed price. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1501.26 1503.11 Yeah, well let's assume it is. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1503.11 1505.49 We we should assume it i that it is. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1509.46 1518.93 R if you uh promote a kinetic um I kinetic remote control, I mean, that would b sell better than an a normal remote control. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1505.49 1509.46 But I I figured that the kinetic would be a marketing promotion. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1503.06 1503.18 Oh. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1501.48 1503.06 Yeah, it is. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1501.5 1502.99 No, we can't go above that. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1502.99 1503.16 Yeah? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1504.83 1505.86 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1504.88 1505.3 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1506.08 1506.64 Then it's okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1505.12 1506.08 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1519.12 1519.46 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1520.21 1521.46 Do you think? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1519.15 1520.21 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1521.46 1524.5 Well, now you can shake your remote control. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1521.05 1521.94 Yeah, I think so. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1523.48 1528.88 No, well, y I mean uh, y you can go into your neighbour and tell him, ha, my k uh remote control is kinetic. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1528.88 1532.3 You have standard old battery control uh remote con 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1527.41 1529.25 Kinetic. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1528.98 1529.34 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1530.18 1530.45 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1535.72 1536.82 Not freaks, the envi 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1531.88 1535.72 What a what about all the m the environment freaks? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1532.02 1532.35 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1535.99 1538.42 Yeah, but it doesn't fit in our co cost profile. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1538.42 1539.01 So 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1538.7 1539.95 No. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1539.95 1541.27 I I think it's it's 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1539.95 1540.23 True. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1543.14 1544.06 It look like this one. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1544.67 1548.07 You ma can make an an especialised extra gold version. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1545.36 1545.68 Yeah? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1547.69 1554.76 Who because if you want to go to kinetic, you're uh you're on thirteen and a half and you must go to flat 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1554.76 1557.88 and I think now it's it's more of uh a compromise 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1557.67 1558.07 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1558.42 1558.68 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1558.82 1559.08 thing. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1560.67 1564.24 And if you make the single curve ha just a big curve, 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1576.49 1577.63 This is strange by the way. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1565.31 1572.53 then it's uh then it's uh yeah, one big good curve. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1572.53 1576.49 I was going to uh say nasty words, but I don't. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1567.28 1570.03 Yeah, just one big curve. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1581.88 1584.62 We thought that wood would be more expensive. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1578.8 1581.88 Wood is m is is is cheaper than rubber. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1582.01 1582.34 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1583.62 1585.41 Uh, this uh American figures. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1585.41 1586.74 You just cut down some trees. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1591.81 1592.66 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1587 1588.88 Yeah, maybe. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1594.22 1595.03 I'm gonna save it. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1588.88 1591.81 But uh that this is this is it? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1592.66 1594.22 Okay, this is it. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1592.07 1592.54 This is it. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1593.01 1595.83 Whoever makes uh a remote control out of titanium. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1596.9 1597.23 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1597.18 1598.08 Yes. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1598.26 1603.73 It is possible, but you can't use double uh curves for titanium. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1603.73 1605.67 That's one of the functionability uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1603.11 1603.41 No. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1605.66 1606.78 Okay, well, 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1608.29 1609.56 considering we have 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1610.32 1613.61 Ah no, we have to do all those hours again. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1615.38 1616.67 Go back. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1616.67 1617.1 One back? 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1618.72 1622.58 Costs on uh No redesign. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1622.12 1627.06 Well, we were above, so we did a little redesign 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1624.66 1624.94 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1626.17 1629.45 We Yeah, we'll start her all o all over again. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1625.41 1626.17 We sue. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1626.05 1627.37 Yeah, okay, yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1628.6 1635.88 Okay, um now uh it's about time to uh talk about uh this project. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1638.07 1644.74 Were there uh room for uh was there room for creativity in our meetings or in your individual meetings? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1635.88 1638.07 Uh, some uh things. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1642.2 1643.07 Um 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1642.27 1642.63 Hmm. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1644.98 1647.66 I I didn't think so. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1656.37 1664.41 It was just fixed information and get your stuff from there, and I couldn't go on on i on the internet and search my own stuff. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1650.97 1656.37 But, that's mainly because uh of the information that was delivered to us. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1647.66 1650.97 That there was a lot of room for it. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1664.41 1664.58 Bu 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1655.49 1655.78 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1660.32 1660.65 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1665.84 1666.77 That's true. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1663.39 1665.84 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1666.77 1667.52 I agree with that. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1668.27 1672.97 Well, I th I think you two, uh especially you and uh and uh Daniel 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1672.97 1678.06 you d you you both had uh the less creative uh roles in the project. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1676.92 1677.15 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1677.23 1678.2 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1678.2 1678.74 That's true. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1679.33 1681.04 For us, there was a lot of creativity. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1681.04 1683.9 We could just sign up an uh remote if we liked. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1679.41 1680.51 'Cause I think m 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1685.01 1685.89 Yeah, that's true. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1683.92 1685.01 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1684.32 1684.57 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1686.65 1693.62 I think Jeroen and I, we had a more design we could have more we had more room for creativity than than you two. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1692.92 1693.22 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1694.72 1695.25 Yeah, that's true. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1693.83 1694.72 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1695.65 1696.97 Okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1696.97 1699.52 Uh how about the leadership? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1698.3 1699.83 Uh 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1699.17 1700.31 Ha. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1699.9 1701.49 Leadership was uh crappy. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1702.74 1702.87 Cra 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1701.43 1702.74 Crappy. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1707.67 1712.7 No, the leadership was okay. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1701.65 1705.81 Nah, the leadership wasn't crappy, it was the leader that was crappy. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1705.81 1707.67 Nah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1704.87 1709.44 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1704.9 1706.76 Okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1705.05 1710.02 Okay, thank you very much. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1710.02 1711.6 Now we're done. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1710.83 1714.07 Yeah, example of crappy leadershi 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1713.82 1715.33 No, leadership was uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1715.5 1716.46 Okay, yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1726.6 1730.03 but you could have uh structure it a l little bit more. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1716.32 1721.83 Okay, I thought uh the first meeting was a little bit of unstructured meeting. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1730.03 1737.64 So like, I I was talking most of the time the first meeting meeting, and Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1721.83 1726.6 Uh, you could have but uh, it was your first, no uh no disrespect or something 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1737.64 1738.21 But 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1716.54 1717.24 Yeah, it was good. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1721.38 1722.31 Yeah, that's true. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1730.06 1730.33 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1734.61 1736.41 You could of said, shut up you fool. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1735.8 1736.08 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1737.8 1738.49 I notice it too. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1737.09 1737.8 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1738.49 1743.27 I was a I was also very uh unhappy, uh very unsatisfied uh about the 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1743.5 1746.06 About me. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1744.3 1746.04 about the first meeting. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1746.04 1750.88 So, uh I hope uh uh the the the other meetings uh 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1749.35 1752.44 Yeah, you made up. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1750.89 1752.95 And we will never do it again. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1749.39 1750.89 Try to learn from your mistake. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1752.78 1761.5 get better and uh I think the the last two meetings uh also we we reached uh some good decisions about uh talk yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1754.54 1755.9 No, it you did better. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1759.37 1760.91 Yeah, more more consensus. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1760.91 1764.09 Ev everybody w was agreeing every Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1760.9 1761.07 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1762.5 1763.69 Much more constructive. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1767.38 1771.07 Well, maybe that's uh only Yeah well, it's for us, because uh 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1765.85 1767.38 Uh, teamwork? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1763.42 1765.85 Okay, so uh that's cool. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1770.3 1774.23 Well, we work together on a project, but everybody has his own task. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1774.23 1775.77 So, it is a little bit 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1772.32 1772.6 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1774.22 1777.94 Yeah and it's wo more like presentation and some points were discussed. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1777.94 1780.57 But, really teamwork were you two uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1777.87 1778.45 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1778.45 1778.95 No 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1781.05 1781.61 Two guys. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1781.12 1782.2 Well, it went okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1782.38 1783.07 The 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1783.81 1785.95 It's it's just uh 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1782.42 1783.81 Yeah, that went w it went well. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1784.02 1784.23 Yeah? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1784.6 1787.95 Stupid stupid pen, but uh 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1785.58 1786.51 No hard feelings. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1788.1 1790.14 Yeah, we we had some trouble with the pen, but 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1787 1788.1 Nah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1789.94 1790.96 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1790.96 1792.76 Now you you must push a little while. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1798.36 1801.51 Try to write your name, in in writing letters, of course, yeah? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1792.88 1796.28 Yeah, but but draw something uh difficult. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1796.28 1798.36 D uh just write your name right now. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1793.24 1794.2 Yeah, but us 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1796.27 1796.69 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1799.35 1799.75 Okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1806.94 1810.67 Yeah, normally, uh this uh the w Block letter sign it, yeah? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1811.82 1813.9 O Just uh okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1817.8 1818.26 It didn't 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1814.45 1817.8 If it's a little bit too small bit quicker now. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1812.28 1814.45 Just just write your name in in one line. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1817.88 1822.07 You can be you can go quicker, 'cause then it it won't notice it. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1822.54 1824.18 Uh he he knows how it works, yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1823.85 1825.23 Oh. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1824.95 1830.94 I follow the Master class for the SMARTboard, so I think that's the that's the main issue. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1830.94 1840.62 Um, so uh about this one you were uh you're dealing with, um the the the the digital pen. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1830.14 1830.5 Okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1832.14 1832.7 Means. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1837.34 1838.56 Y well, yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1838.56 1839.25 Th the i 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1843.74 1843.84 Uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1840.85 1843.74 The idea is great, but it doesn't work properly. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1843.6 1843.87 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1842.29 1843.6 Okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1843.57 1849.21 Digital pen, I thought uh th the first time I did individual work, I used it. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1849.21 1857.32 But, a and the first two meetings I brought it with me, but I didn't use it at all after the first the first meeting. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1848.86 1849.15 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1855.15 1855.4 No. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1855.9 1856.21 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1857.19 1859.24 But, uh yeah, well uh 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1856.26 1857.19 No, I have it working. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1858.52 1860.99 It's it's not real real use for me. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1860.54 1862.89 No, it doesn't have that much added value to the 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1861.2 1861.45 Huh. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1863.27 1870.26 As uh as I said a m a c few moments ago, it I would like, myself, to write with a normal pen, because must um 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1862.48 1863.27 Nee. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1862.88 1863.24 Well 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1871.3 1876.73 Yeah, it's almost the same concept, but you can just sim more simply put it on our scanner. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1876.73 1882.84 I it's the same concept as the pen, where you f have to download the software or s uh very uh slow. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1873.02 1873.35 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1877.68 1877.97 M yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1882.18 1882.38 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1883.94 1887.47 And it is still your own handwriting uh popping up in uh Word. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1885.76 1886.16 Yes. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1886.16 1888.53 No, and it doesn't give any added value. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1889.21 1890.67 No, uh that's true. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1890.67 1890.91 No. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1889.61 1890.56 Not really, no. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1892.09 1899.45 And uh the SMARTboard is uh useful, but the the pen is I uh not user-friendly, I think. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1899.45 1904.14 Be it it takes a lot of time to draw things and to write things, and that's the 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1898.34 1899.95 Yeah, not user-friendly. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1898.64 1899.19 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1902.11 1904.12 Yeah, and it's it's not very precise. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1904.12 1905.29 We're trying to m to 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1904.23 1906.19 Yeah, like when you do this. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1906.94 1914.31 Yeah, it may um Yeah, and tr try to wri write your name uh in a in a normal uh size, yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1914.31 1914.79 Smaller. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1915.73 1916.18 Smaller? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1916.46 1917.24 Yeah, smaller. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1917.24 1918.88 Just like when you're writing on a letter. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1920.06 1926.95 Yeah, but that's not th the the you when you at a foreign audience, you b don't gonna wr uh write uh small. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1925.62 1929.93 No, a as you saw on on this drawing, just open open this one or that one. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1931.1 1937.1 It's uh th it it Yeah, uh we had more problems even here when we trying to draw these buttons 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1937.1 1941.1 it's almost impossible to get clear uh when you're uh 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1938.53 1938.84 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1942.6 1943.11 Sorry. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1941.87 1942.6 Oh. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1942.66 1945.75 But maybe there's some function with no, it isn't. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1945.75 1946.31 With uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1949.6 1952.26 And when you try to erase this line, y 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1946.23 1947.76 And the eraser was another problem. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1947.76 1949.6 It w t is is this large. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1951.28 1951.63 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1953.36 1955.48 Well, I'm gonna erase my uh name. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1955.46 1957 I'm gonna erase my name there. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1958.61 1960.83 Yeah, it's a big uh big eraser. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1960.13 1961.08 Okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1961.08 1961.93 New ideas? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1962.47 1965.13 M Abo What kind of new ideas? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1963.29 1963.86 Um 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1965.95 1968.95 Well, the the idea of the touch-screen is uh 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1972.83 1973.79 Go on. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1969.34 1972.83 Do you? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1970.42 1971 Yeah, uh 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1974.22 1975.24 I'm just uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1974.96 1980.62 New ideas about uh the working of this software, about about the project, about the remote controls or 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1978.15 1979.06 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1979.06 1980 Mm, yeah, I think so. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1981.4 1982.75 I don't know what what I mean. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 1985.3 2001.66 No. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2001.66 2001.92 Oh. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 1986.2 1986.43 Hello. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2001.5 2010.88 The eva the evaluation, the mm the mean uh number is uh one point eight one point eight six. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1990.98 1992.77 Did you heard what he said? 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2010.88 2012.96 So that's fairly uh fairly good, I think. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2000.59 2001.5 Here. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1992.77 1998.26 I don't I don't know what I mean. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 1998.26 2000.59 Oh, I have some figure. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 1992.42 1997.83 Know what I mean. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2004.13 2004.63 Oh yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2010.53 2011.35 That's interesting. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2012.98 2014.71 Okay, because what does it mean? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2013.01 2013.24 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2014.89 2015.55 So true. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2015.3 2016.9 Uh, that uh 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2018.06 2020.88 All the mo yeah, are between one and two. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2023.45 2023.61 Yep. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2018.12 2023.45 all the requirements uh are true or very true, right. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2029.72 2033.71 But the new ideas found for uh wi with working with this uh software? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2021.94 2022.6 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2025.61 2029.72 Thank you, expert. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2023.94 2025.61 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2022.6 2023.94 Oh, okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2037.49 2041.75 Uh, the concept is okay, but it has to be quicker. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2041.75 2044.72 Uh, it is still opening my programme,
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2034.97 2037.49 Not really, just they have to improve it. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2051.07 2057.62 People will still feel the need to to write it quickly on uh a page and not download it and save it, and 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2044.72 2051.07 n almo almost uh my entire computer is locked up during the process and it, yeah, just takes too many time. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2035.82 2036.4 Not really, yeah? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2038.37 2039.24 Yeah, I think 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2047.75 2048.1 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2054.67 2055.09 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2058.17 2063.43 You had expected it to to be uh more more uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2065.41 2070.77 'Cause when you use a pen, you can just draw like you d draw normally, and you do 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2063.94 2065.41 More user-friendly. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2065.36 2065.66 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2067.58 2067.91 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2069.88 2075.71 May maybe the idea you proposed is uh a screen here. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2075.71 2079.05 And draw it, and it's it's placed over there. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2068.85 2069.88 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2075.69 2076.04 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2076.61 2076.89 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2077.66 2078.19 Yeah, that l 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2079.41 2079.76 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2092.91 2094.64 And that's a very bad concept. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2079.57 2080.48 Would be easier. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2088.05 2092.91 And now you have to um keep constantly in mind that you're drawing on this screen. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2080.48 2088.05 Or at least when you you don't have to adapt to the technology, just you can write in the way you normally write. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2087.98 2088.19 No. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2087.73 2087.98 Hmm? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2093.42 2094.5 Yep, yep. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2095.52 2096.19 Yeah, that's true. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2097.19 2097.69 But 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2095.8 2097.19 Ah, very bad. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2097.04 2100.18 Nah, okay, I I it's my opinion that I 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2098.98 2102.57 I think this is better than regular flip-overs, but 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2102.82 2104.51 Yeah, it's can be saved easier. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2104.73 2104.96 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2110.21 2111.79 There's no text option. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2111.79 2116.9 And writing text uh, yeah, you've gotta really do your best to write some 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2105.89 2110.21 But if you're in normal flip-over you a lot of people write text. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2110.23 2110.6 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2125.42 2127.21 You have to draw it yourself now. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2116.34 2125.42 Yeah, and and maybe some uh functions for uh uh uh circle or uh a square. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2125.06 2125.38 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2129.3 2132.23 If you have uh some presentation, and you have some f 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2126.94 2129.3 Or maybe even insert picture. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2127.4 2127.69 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2130.94 2131.3 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2132.42 2135.63 Just t t type text, and that that would be uh excellent. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2135.63 2135.86 Mean 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2131.36 2132.42 Or text function. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2134.27 2134.56 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2136.11 2136.39 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2136.28 2139.3 Yeah, but insert image isn't available? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2141.11 2142.29 'Cause then you could 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2142.3 2143.79 Picture from scanner, clip-art. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2141.82 2142.3 Here. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2146.07 2151.34 But not the the the the predefined uh squares I think uh 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2143.58 2146.07 Yeah, that that can be done already. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2144.33 2145.04 Oh, okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2146.16 2146.69 So you can 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2147.42 2148.1 Hyperlink? 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2151.33 2153.4 Hey, what if you do like hyperlink? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2154.64 2157.4 With uh W. W. dot Google dot com. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2155.16 2155.96 Type type it? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2160.87 2161.21 Oh yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2161.21 2161.92 Maybe. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2160.96 2162.69 Re Real Reaction dot N. L. . 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2163.63 2163.8 Hmm? 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2164.69 2166.19 Yes, is now is okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2166.19 2166.44 Okay? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2164.87 2165.14 Sorry? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2168.09 2169.67 You'll just make a link in 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2170.79 2171.13 Huh. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2170.8 2171.3 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2172.82 2173.65 Well, that's nice. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2173.73 2175.26 There's one way to uh 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2175.48 2175.78 Is it 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2176.26 2177.07 'Kay, double-click it. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2178.48 2181.23 Maybe if if you're not using the eraser 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2180.9 2181.16 oh. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2180.51 2180.9 Here. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2182.26 2183.15 You're erasing. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2182.65 2185.17 Oh, sorry. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2185.17 2185.61 Select. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2184.02 2185.79 Something else th Yeah, arrow. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2187.04 2187.62 Double-click it. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2187.39 2188.56 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2188.56 2189.06 Here, that. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2190.4 2191.13 Well, it's 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2189.19 2190.4 Okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2190.46 2194.14 So you have as you saw, you have a little uh 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2195.69 2196.3 Oh, you can 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2197.36 2197.98 Yeah, thank you. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2199.21 2200.25 You can go uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2200.29 2201.19 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2201.96 2202.21 there. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2204.05 2211.44 So there the the the functionality is there, but it's not it's not ideal, and it's it's very it costs a lot of time to uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2206.87 2207.03 But 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2211.81 2212.76 To use, yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2219.35 2225.95 and we are now with four people, but it well, imagine you are here you're with the ten people and everyone uh 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2212.57 2213.66 to use. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2213.66 2219.35 And that's a pity, if you uh if you have uh thirty, forty minutes uh for this kind of things,
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2213.46 2213.65 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2218.17 2219.26 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2219.26 2220.31 And that's m 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2224.86 2231.79 That's mostly the case, from the over here with the managements you get two minutes to make your case, and if you have to do all this kind 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2229.81 2230.92 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2230.92 2232.28 Two minutes of drawing, yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2232.5 2232.71 Yep. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2232.86 2236.53 You'll rather use PowerPoint and work it out in advance. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2236.53 2240.31 And th the one or two things you have to draw when you're there, just use a flip-board. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2235.86 2236.21 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2238.89 2239.26 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2241.46 2243.98 What I really miss also is uh 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2245.11 2252.24 is a d is a turtle is a decision uh decision system like um 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2254.21 2257.31 With the evaluation, you have to 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2262.46 2272.51 maybe a a l a little application like uh uh give your own number and click one two three four five six seven. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2258.76 2262.46 Polls like, what do you want, a one, a two 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2261.73 2262.42 Yeah yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2262.82 2263.1 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2272.69 2279.32 Yeah, just like he said with the with the a screen which you can write, also uh a kind of voting uh mechanism. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2277.5 2280.46 Yeah, j ju ju yeah, v voting application. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2280.46 2283.48 Just a little group group decision application. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2279.55 2279.92 Oh. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2280.73 2281.01 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2283.26 2283.48 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2293.12 2297.26 We I mean uh w w w one one person s maybe said three. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2288.55 2293.12 but you will discuss a lot less than l like we did now. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2303.62 2310.92 But if you you put a three on it, uh just figure well, everybody knows what I'm knowing, so they'll all just put a two on. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2297.26 2303.62 But, well uh I we said uh, no I w th think two, because this and this, and then you can react uh on it. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2283.76 2288.55 But uh, problem is, well you can't discuss anything well you you ca uh you can 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2292.66 2292.94 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2303.62 2304.15 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2311.32 2311.94 Yeah, of course. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2311.94 2321.44 But, uh you can still discuss about it, but but click it in an application, that's a lot easier to process. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2316.13 2317.08 Yeah, but it would yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2321.67 2324.37 Yeah okay, the for processing part. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2324.37 2333.88 But then uh, I think the idea of one person entering it and the rest uh discussing it, that uh isn't that bad idea, actually. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2333.88 2336.88 Not that your opinion isn't valued, but but still. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2323.55 2323.85 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2322.15 2323.55 The digit. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2332.11 2332.39 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2337.38 2337.65 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2339.21 2340.3 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2340.3 2341.4 Okay, so 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2339.94 2341.96 Okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2341.96 2342.41 That's it? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2341.12 2342.84 Yo, manager. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2340.16 2341.12 Okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2342.84 2343.33 When are w 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2342.67 2345.07 Uh well, just about, because uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2344.92 2346.32 When are we going to produce it? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2351.52 2353.53 Uh, the project is evaluated. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2362.94 2365.16 I am busy with the end report right now. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2346.75 2348.94 Yeah, tomorrow? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2348.94 2351.52 Uh, the costs are within the budget. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2365.16 2367.43 You might thinking what the hell was he doing uh 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2353.53 2362.94 But, before we going to celebrate, uh I have uh a little question which you can't answer, because uh there must be some kind of end report. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2348.48 2349.14 Celebration. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2351.56 2351.85 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2353.46 2353.78 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2367.01 2368.19 What is an end report? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2373.53 2380.48 Uh, that must be made, but I don't know, here is uh standing uh whoa, we can celebrate now, but the end report is 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2368.71 2373.53 Uh about all the meetings, what we have decided, a r r a report of this day. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2371.53 2371.73 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2372.85 2373.34 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2379.51 2382.16 Oh, you ha you have ten minutes left, I uh read. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2382.94 2383.42 Oh. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2383.39 2386.28 You have now ten minutes left to finish up the end report. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2391.31 2394.73 So I I s I will uh put it on a story-board. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2387.77 2389.29 Maybe we can do it uh together. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2385.86 2387.77 Okay well, that uh that can be done. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2389.29 2391.31 You can see what I've uh yeah? 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2390.75 2391 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2391.53 2392.03 Yeah, sure. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2396.37 2396.94 You can see it. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2399.58 2400.23 Um 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2399.79 2402.33 Because I think it will uh it must be uh 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2402.54 2405.55 You you already made a beta version, or 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2405.4 2409.35 Yeah, it's a three uh with seventy five uh 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2409.46 2412.87 Pages. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2414.92 2416.19 Well, just a moment. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2416.19 2416.83 End report. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2410.47 2414.92 Yeah, just about. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2412.83 2413.98 Seventy five pages. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2410.82 2412.83 Y yikes. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2417.89 2418.64 Okay, Daniel. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2423.78 2425.9 Do you want a chair maybe? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2426.14 2427.38 A chairman. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2427.28 2427.46 Hey? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2427.55 2432.85 No no no, I'm just uh you can s you can read it and uh here here it is. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2432.85 2433.38 End report. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2429.19 2429.71 Oh, okay. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2432.86 2437.02 So you you finished it actually, and so we just have to read it and say yes or no? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2437.52 2438.06 Yes. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2437.67 2440.4 Well, this not nit it read-only. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2440.4 2442.38 But it's not uh fully finished yet. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2441.54 2443.42 Five minutes for finishing. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2450.87 2454.65 I'm uh when I said it, I remember I had it here. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2450.14 2450.87 Oh yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2444.46 2450.14 Um, this is about the functional design, the things yeah yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2447.91 2449.81 Management Expert, you have to change that. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2451.9 2452.42 Marketing. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2453.8 2455.25 It's a read-only version. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2455.9 2458.09 Yeah, but you can save it u the under another name. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2458.15 2458.63 Oh, okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2461.03 2461.77 Um 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2459.21 2461.03 Marketing Expert, okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2463.98 2472.12 about the three functions where uh which are most used and uh which must uh immediately be visible on our uh remote control. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2478.03 2483.09 So, this is really about wh uh what kind things uh must be in it and uh yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2472.12 2478.03 Um, it must be uh simple to use, very clear what to do, and at the younger people. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2483.26 2485.62 Maybe um the 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2490.96 2491.16 Uh 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2491.31 2491.84 The 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2491.48 2494.81 Yeah, I understand you, I can talk a little bit Dutch. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2492.78 2492.94 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2494.91 2502.81 No, you have to put uh, switch channels uh at the top, because that's the most used function and teletext at the second 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2494.06 2494.91 You Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2499.82 2501.74 Oka okay, okay, I 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2503.84 2505.98 I really didn't knew that. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2505.4 2507.25 Oh nay, a volume changing, second. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2507.69 2509.01 So, this one's first. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2508.44 2509.83 S switch, yes. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2511.48 2514.88 You go there and you go there. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2514.88 2516.04 So, okay. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2516.04 2520.17 Well, maybe I can then do it one two three. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2515.23 2515.92 Okay, go on. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2514.5 2515.23 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2520.86 2522.13 Yes, very good. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2521.63 2522.58 One two three. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2528.42 2529.5 Uh, 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2522.91 2528.42 If the order is in uh is is uh important, that's the word for. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2525.69 2525.92 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2524.5 2525.69 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2526.96 2527.48 The order. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2533.4 2541.59 Uh, well all the things we have uh discussed, uh the energy, which uh turn out to be uh batteries, so that's 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2530.73 2533.4 then the conceptual design. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2541.79 2546.39 Well, okay, maybe you can add it later that we decided in the end because of the cost. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2541.28 2541.79 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2543.52 2546.54 Yeah, because yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2546.54 2552.89 Uh, he here it is still double-curve, the rubber, the flashy, the fruity, the removable. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2552.89 2554.55 Uh, the buttons Hmm? 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2548.81 2549.59 Single-curves. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2553.29 2554.39 It's not double. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2554.39 2555.55 Uh, it's not double anymore, eh? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2554.58 2555.51 A single-curved. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2556.9 2558.98 Nay but that this is what um 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2555.94 2556.9 Not double anymore. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2555.94 2556.44 No, okay. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2558.98 2559.71 Yeah, okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2561.1 2561.83 The initial plan. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2559.21 2561.1 Was initial, the plan. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2560.05 2560.34 Yeah. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2560.86 2561.08 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2561.59 2567.05 And the the added functions like Tetris snake, it's under the parental control, the touch-screen. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2567.05 2570.34 So, it's uh just a summary of what uh we had discussed uh 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2566.94 2567.59 On thing uh 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2574.63 2575.44 I don't think so, eh? 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2572.06 2574.63 Uh, was it included in the cost? 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2570.03 2572.06 One small thing uh, the added functions. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2575.51 2576.42 Ah, it's very cheap. 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2576.82 2578 It's very cheap. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2576.92 2581.23 Uh, it's very cheap, you you maybe you you you you come at uh 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2581.12 2590.16 No, it's it's not very cheap, but that no, but it's a development inside corporation. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2597.89 2599.78 Yeah, it it has some cost, but 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2590.16 2594.44 Like, uh w we don't have to buy parental control. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2594.44 2597.89 Our own people can make that, I think. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2583.42 2584.53 It's very necessary. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2599.65 2601.87 Okay, but so we can discuss that uh 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2596.11 2599.65 Yeah, but it still has some yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2597.48 2597.8 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2601.42 2601.98 So uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2599.96 2601.42 He'll do it in his free time. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2602.61 2602.9 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2602.71 2605.27 we can discuss that kind of things I think with the 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2606.73 2608.18 with the the board of uh 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2608.23 2609.75 Of directur or directors. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2609.39 2611.25 What's it what's the company called? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2611.25 2612.52 I just keep forgetting it. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2613.23 2614.44 Real Reaction. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2613.84 2615.83 Real Real Reaction. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2617.04 2617.44 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2620.83 2625.09 Okay, so uh anybody uh misses something here about uh 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2617.69 2620.83 Real Reaction, yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2620.3 2622.33 You can ask your personal 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2624.58 2625.82 Yeah, the end conclusion. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2625.82 2626.9 But uh 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2626.11 2629.56 Yeah, okay, that's that's what I'm gonna write b between now. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2629.56 2632.63 But, i in here nothing uh 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2629.38 2630.54 That's all, I think. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2627.52 2628.18 Okay. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2628.18 2629.38 Still the end conclusion. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2632.16 2637.15 Um, the decision to make um the buttons on the top, and the menu on the 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2637.84 2639.51 Mm-hmm. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2639.51 2640.08 Yes. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2638.27 2638.95 on the bottom. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2638.95 2641.95 And clearly Yeah, touch-screen you've mentioned. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2643.06 2644.33 Yeah, touch-screen I've mentioned. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2643.82 2649.47 Yeah, but but the the decisions are put in the uh conclusion, I think. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2649.47 2653.04 Why we decided to use a flat uh L. C. D. . 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2649.04 2649.56 Okay. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2650.9 2652.65 Okay, this n yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2658.55 2658.85 No. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2653.36 2658.55 Yeah, okay, well I gonna redesign uh something now. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2658.54 2659.17 Yeah. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2659.17 2659.46 Um 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2661.28 2662.19 Party party. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2662.04 2665.13 Because I think it will Oh, five minutes from to finish meeting. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2664.23 2667.64 Oh, before you change anything maybe you um save it first. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2667.13 2667.69 Save it. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2678.45 2678.66 Hmm. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2678.72 2682.75 You can't you can select file and export and then those J. PEG files. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2683.41 2685.03 Yeah, but then you had the same thing. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2685.62 2686.42 Well, eight. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2686.42 2688.53 And we have uh, another blank one. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2691.3 2692.32 Oh wait. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2689.12 2691.3 Example of children remote. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2692.32 2692.51 Wait. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2689.69 2691.3 Did we change anything? 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2705.57 2706.08 Wow. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2708.99 2709.48 Yeah. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2710.88 2713.4 It's a new uh commercial logo. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2718.7 2718.92 Hmm. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2721.48 2722.31 That's a pity. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2722.91 2724.07 Don't save it, aye? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2725.88 2726.82 Oh, that's cool, Tim. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2740.94 2741.38 Uh, 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2742.23 2743.27 Well, I'm I'm 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2741.06 2742.23 Finish meeting now. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2742.33 2744.84 why are only the first five SMARTboard files 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2744.53 2746.28 I'm going to finish my end report. 
TS3007d H01 MTD027ID 2745.53 2746.23 saved? 
TS3007d H02 MTD026UID 2747.63 2752.55 Okay, um hereby is the meeting is finished. 
TS3007d H03 MTD028ME 2751.49 2754.74 You declare. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2756.71 2758.36 Hereby the meeting is finished. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2758.36 2758.55 Yeah. 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2755.68 2756.71 Yeah? 
TS3007d H00 MTD025PM 2753.82 2755.68 I am the one who can say that. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 23.53 24.32 Hello. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 67.46 68.73 Dang it. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 72.33 76.43 And then you have to place your laptop exactly on the marked spot. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 76.42 76.92 Alright. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 83.69 87.42 It's important to place your laptop exactly on the marked spot over here. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 87.55 88.01 Okay. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 95.14 96.73 No, that's okay. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 103.9 104.69 Joost, your mouse. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 105.86 106.02 What? 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 107.01 107.73 No mouse needed? 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 108.24 110.64 I've got a touch-pad. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 110.64 112.9 Do you know how how I can wake it up? 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 110.97 111.34 Mm. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 114.57 115.09 A touch-pad? 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 115.76 117.23 No, my laptop. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 118.86 119.31 Slap it. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 119.98 123.48 You with your brilliant ideas. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 123.48 125.81 I don't know if I can touch the power button. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 128.22 129.87 Do you know how how I can wake it up? 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 129.35 129.83 Is 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 131.63 132.59 Try the power button. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 129.97 130.97 No. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 130.97 131.63 Yeah. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 132.94 133.22 Oh. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 138.53 139.35 Come on, move it. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 143.94 144.36 Um 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 151.1 152.27 Now, wake up, bitch. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 155.08 155.22 Huh. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 158.44 158.88 F. five. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 161.47 163.71 F. five. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 164.56 165.26 Uh 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 163.27 164.56 I've lost my screen. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 171.87 174.73 Come on. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 168.44 171.87 That wasn that wasn't very smart, I guess. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 167.35 168.44 I closed it. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 165.58 167.35 Yeah, so did I. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 174.73 175.47 Get back to me. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 167.74 168.17 I don't. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 179.4 180.09 Yes. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 179.93 180.13 Yes. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 182.95 184.45 I closed the 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 183.88 184.55 I closed it. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 184.82 187.53 You've got your name. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 185.49 187.59 Yeah, my name is name. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 189.68 192.41 No, I didn't restart it, I just closed it. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 194.33 194.73 Yes. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 196.85 197.78 Hope it working. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 198.94 199.34 Alright. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 201.49 201.81 No. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 208.31 209.42 Never close your laptop. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 217.08 221.1 I uh forgot to put my name over here, it's uh it's Martin. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 211.54 213.19 Everybody's ready? 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 214.9 217.08 Well, welcome to the kick-off meeting. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 213.19 214.9 Great. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 211.16 211.54 Yeah? 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 213.4 213.78 Thanks. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 212.32 213.4 Great. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 212.65 212.93 Yeah. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 222.21 223.61 Uh, so you all know. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 227.93 231.9 Well, the opening is what I'm doing right now. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 234.92 236.53 Uh give some um 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 231.9 234.92 Uh, we gonna do some acquaintance acquaintance things. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 226.11 227.93 Well, this is the agenda for today. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 241.16 242.77 We have twenty five minutes. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 237.88 241.16 examples of the tool training, project plan discussion and the closing. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 244.42 248.16 Okay, the project aim is to design a new remote control. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 248.16 253.71 Uh, some of the oje objectives are that is has to be original, trendy, and user-friendly. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 247.25 247.53 Mm-hmm. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 255.25 256.42 So now we all know what our 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 255.3 255.81 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 265.64 267.62 Joost, Guido, Antek. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 264.04 265.64 We all know each other's names. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 259.38 264.04 Um, I oh forget I forget the whole acquaintance part, but we we all know each other. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 257.76 259.38 goal is. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 265.82 266.08 Yes. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 266.27 266.97 What is your name? 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 266.57 267.27 Yes. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 267.27 267.73 Antek. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 269.54 270.33 And Joost. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 268.06 269.54 Antek Ahmet. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 276.92 282.24 Uh we begin with the functional design, then we go to the conceptual design and the detailed design. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 273.7 276.92 Okay, it consists of uh three levels of design. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 269.13 269.55 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 299.27 304.13 and uh you p you probably read that already, so I don't have to tell you about that. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 289.18 299.27 You all received an email with a example of our explanation of what uh the particular level of design uh means to the different uh functions,
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 269.55 273.7 I think we uh al already uh been through that part. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 282.24 289.18 Every uh level of design consists of some individual work, and we uh close it with a meeting. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 271.7 272 Okay. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 272.88 273.12 Yeah. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 301.5 301.85 Yes. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 301.7 302.19 Yes. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 313.42 317.32 so you get acquainted with these uh um uh meeting tools. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 330.8 339.12 You can upload your uh documents to that folder and then you can open them over here, so you can do your PowerPoint presentations on this screen. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 341.25 344 Uh, we're gonna skip through th 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 321.77 324.99 This is the presentation boards, wh which one I'm using right now. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 305.64 313.42 Okay, first we're gonna um uh gonna try some different things with the tools we have over here 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 339.12 341.25 We also have the white-board. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 317.32 321.77 We have the smart-boards, uh the thes those two boards. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 324.99 330.8 You can uh um there's a document folder called um the sh shared document folder. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 346.3 351.17 No, I saw I saw the file, the smart-board that X. B. K. but 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 343.22 346.3 Can we see the white-board on our laptops? 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 345.72 346.26 No, no. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 346.26 347.66 Just on the on the screen over there. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 349.85 353.07 Probably is, but I don't know if the software is on the laptop. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 353.07 358.65 Is is if it's mainly a thing for in the meeting, so I don't think it's I don't know if it's important. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 349.2 349.85 Oh, no. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 356.14 356.68 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 360.29 362.79 This an explanation of the smart-boards. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 362.79 364.34 There is a tool-bar over here. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 377.48 384.12 and uh you can make new sheets by uh by pu puttin pressing on the blank button. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 384.12 385.2 It works like this. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 365.78 366.66 It's quite simple. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 369.62 373.76 It's like a very simple uh paint application. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 366.66 369.62 You have the the pen function, eraser function. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 373.76 377.48 Uh, we well, we use the same file during uh the whole day 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 387.6 389.56 If pen is selected, yes. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 386.51 387.6 Oh. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 389.56 390.1 Oh, no no. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 390.57 391.18 With that pen? 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 391.18 391.53 It's not 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 393.68 394.45 But it is pen. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 396.22 397.83 It's not working like a pen yet. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 402.24 403.04 Mm. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 402.87 403.04 Huh. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 412.83 413.02 Huh. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 413.61 413.93 Mm. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 416.85 418.14 You can use an eraser. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 414.2 415.73 It's doing some stuff now. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 415.73 416.85 So you can use a pen. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 415.49 416.29 Little bit slower. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 424.2 433.9 and you can change uh the line width and the colour of the pen by pressing on forward, which y you have to select pen format. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 421.03 424.2 And you can make new uh fi uh new blanks,
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 435.8 438.08 And then select current colour or line width. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 439.88 440.92 So, it's quite easy. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 442.63 447.76 Uh well, now you're all uh acquainted with the different tools. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 452.36 461.47 Uh, every participant should draw his favourite animal and some of its favourite characteristics, on blank sheets with different colours, with different pen widths. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 461.47 464.18 Uh, I'll start off then. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 465.9 466.42 Alright. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 449.6 452.36 Right, we're gonna try out the electronic white-boards. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 464.18 465.9 I'll use this uh same sheet. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 472 473.36 Oh, let me think. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 475.81 476.77 Different colours. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 479.2 479.9 Oh. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 487.88 490.48 Well, I'm gonna draw um a p piranha. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 490.48 491.19 Uh, a fish. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 492.97 493.45 Okay. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 490.8 492.97 piranha. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 493.94 494.27 Uh. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 507.41 508.25 Mm-hmm. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 513.53 513.74 Oh. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 516.5 517.91 Some a little white. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 513.66 516.5 I'm gonna use some different colour now. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 521.26 522.11 Looks like a fish. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 523.84 524.37 Think it is. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 528.41 529.08 Oh. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 543.25 545.14 Oh. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 546.41 548.82 Uh, colour. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 551.57 552.29 This is black? 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 553.52 554.15 I think so. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 557.52 558.53 Yellow 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 558.38 558.54 Oh. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 562.4 563.59 Oh, this is just uh 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 566.11 568.6 useless uh 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 569.98 572.42 drawings but Oh teeth. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 572.42 572.85 I need teeth. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 578.64 582.38 Well, they're not supposed to be green, or whatever colour this is. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 582.33 582.57 Hmm. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 583.79 584.12 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 600.36 603.52 And I like its overall uh aggressive look and 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 585.29 593.07 What was uh I have su to sum up its favourite characteris Well, I like its uh sharp razor sharp teeth. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 593.07 600.36 Plus, uh the the big uh forehead and uh a small uh, well a small actual face. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 587.78 588.12 Different. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 607.2 610.89 I think that's kind of what uh the intention should be. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 604.54 607.2 Well, that's what I like about uh piranha. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 606.79 607.09 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 612.23 613.52 Well, who wants to be next? 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 614.55 619.99 Nobody, I guess. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 615.24 617.54 I will try. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 617.54 618.26 Yeah. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 620.8 621.62 Uh 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 618.26 620.8 I will try. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 616.73 617.61 You go, Guido? 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 617.61 617.91 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 620.9 622.11 Uh, make a new sheet. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 624.12 624.3 Yep. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 622.11 624.12 Uh, it's by pressing on blank. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 623.45 624.04 Blank? 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 626.86 627.75 Okay. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 627.75 629.29 Then pen again? 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 629.16 629.47 Yep. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 630.79 631.3 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 631.29 637.46 And uh so in the format menu you can choose the different uh colours and uh pen widths. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 635.09 637.95 Okay, um 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 642.57 642.98 Format. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 643.2 644.22 control. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 652.69 653.64 Uh 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 654.66 655.34 Ah, purple. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 665.51 666.12 Uh I will 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 656.69 665.51 Um, I don't know what my uh favourite uh animal is, but the easiest animal I can think is is a bird. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 670.44 674.62 You know, I thought of that actually. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 674.62 674.96 Yeah. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 675.23 677.57 Isn't it quite it's a little bit light. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 674.05 675.23 Yeah? 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 671.15 674.05 That's my bird. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 683.44 684.08 A red one. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 680.79 683.44 Uh, another colour maybe. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 688.42 689.42 Uh, line width. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 686.8 688.42 A small one. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 693.18 693.93 Three. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 692.31 693.18 Two? 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 693.93 694.46 Oh that's okay. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 723.87 724.52 I don't know. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 717.08 722.74 Maybe because uh there's there's some s uh free uh maybe in the sky or something like that. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 700.6 704.42 That's another one. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 723.51 723.87 Yeah. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 704.42 715.76 Ano Uh uh it's a Yeah, it's uh the most simple uh animal I know, I think. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 722.74 723.51 Maybe a little bit. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 715.76 717.08 Um, I don't know. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 702.04 707.58 Well, tell us something about uh your favourite characteristics of these uh particular birds. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 707.75 710.11 Its simplicity. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 721.21 722.6 Oh, okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 722.6 723 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 724.2 724.61 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 725.78 726.82 No, uh it's clear. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 726.15 731.92 So more uh birds? 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 731.92 733.78 Okay, okay, okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 728.09 729.3 N no no. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 730.76 731.97 We get your point. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 731.97 732.76 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 732.76 733.57 Who wants to be next? 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 738.79 741.64 I haven't got a favourite animal too, so 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 734.04 735.17 Yeah, whatever. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 736.29 738.79 Thanks. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 735.17 736.29 I'll go next. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 738.96 739.23 M 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 741.6 744.08 Pictionary. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 743.5 744.55 Oh. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 744.55 745.19 What should I draw? 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 746.05 746.52 A cow. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 746.17 746.49 Oh. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 750.18 753.48 Thank you, I'll draw a penguin. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 750.23 752.35 Okay. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 756.21 757.63 Yeah. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 761.87 762.3 Whatever. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 760.88 761.87 I'll draw a penguin. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 763.72 765.09 I can't draw, so 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 766.56 768.27 you can start to laugh already. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 768.12 770.55 I'll do so. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 770.99 771.96 Something like that. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 770.1 770.99 Whatever. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 782.39 782.85 Come on. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 784.4 785.27 Yeah, it's little bit hard. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 787.32 789.05 Mm hmm hmm, orange. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 789.03 789.86 Orange, of course. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 793.12 793.58 Whatever. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 800.04 803.27 Oh, it's better than your bird. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 801.25 805.78 Uh yeah. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 805.78 806.75 Yeah. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 806.75 807.14 True. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 804.52 805.93 Everything's better than your bird. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 811.05 812.13 Whatever. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 825.22 825.65 Your turn. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 823.07 825.22 The way it walks or whatever. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 814.23 815.14 Whatever. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 813.47 814.23 No. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 815.14 823.07 Um, I like its ugliness and uh Yeah, whatever. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 812.13 813.47 Hey, it's blue. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 824.77 825.16 Okay. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 826.75 827.74 'Kay. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 828.81 831.81 Drawing. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 830.98 832.36 I'm going to draw a cat. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 833.64 838.17 I don't know why, but a cat is a very uh smart animal. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 840.98 843.23 And you can have them at home. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 844.93 847.85 Which is not as the case with uh with bingwings and 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 847.95 850.54 Well, you can have a piranha at home. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 850.54 853.92 Ye yes, yeah. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 851.82 851.98 Huh. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 853.29 854 Or a line. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 856.93 857.06 Yeah. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 855.05 856.93 A little bit. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 855.24 856.7 I mean a bird. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 858.68 859.88 Don't mess with my birds, yeah. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 862.44 863.77 It's not very uh 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 867.68 873.11 very good drawn, but you can see a cat from it. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 869.51 870.52 Hmm. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 870.52 871.63 It's a handicapped cat. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 873.61 874.7 cat. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 874.82 880.59 I don't think uh I don't think uh Darwin would agree with that. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 880.88 884.17 It's 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 890.01 891.1 He's crying but 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 887.55 890.01 Ah, it's not scared. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 891.48 896.01 He's crying because it's ugl because of his ugliness. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 891.95 892.4 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 894.57 897.75 What do you like about it then? 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 901.5 904 You can handle them. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 897.84 901.5 Uh it's i most cats are small. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 902.74 903.83 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 905.14 908.66 Okay, and then we are uh through the tool training, I guess. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 901.16 902.74 Oh, okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 903.83 905.14 Okay. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 905.26 906.05 Okay. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 909.29 911.11 I wouldn't call it training, but 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 925.71 928.66 We're very ambitious on this one. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 928.66 938.75 The market range is international, so it's gonna be sold world-wide, and the production cost should be a maximum of twelve Euro fifty per remote control. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 922.74 925.71 And our profit aim is fifteen million Euros. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 915.33 918.25 Okay, this is uh something about the project finance. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 918.25 922.74 The selling price of our remote control is gonna be twenty five Euros. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 938.75 940.98 So that's clear. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 940.98 941.14 Yeah? 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 941.57 941.95 Okay. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 941.96 942.48 Alright. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 955.64 959.25 Do you have uh know what good experiences with remote controls? 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 952.4 955.64 Uh, well tell me about your experiences with the remote controls. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 943.24 952.4 Okay, we're now gonna discuss some stuff when well, we're gonna brainstorm about uh what kind of kemoro romo remote control it's gonna be. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 961.76 969.84 Are they difficult to understand, or maybe they don't interact with different kind of uh equipment very well? 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 959.25 961.76 Or do they annoy you sometimes? 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 960.11 960.79 Yes. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 968.2 968.47 Hmm. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 981.84 991.82 And then a totally different remote control with with different functions on different places, and half of the functions a are removed, or whatever. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 991.82 996.13 Uh, so I think what we need is is a clear uh remote control with 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 976.39 981.84 all these buttons, and then they buy new T. V. because their previous one was stolen or whatever. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 968.67 976.39 I don't th I don't think the four of us got problems with remote controls, but if you see elderly people,
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 973.86 974.69 Yeah, okay. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 978.3 979.01 Different. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 981.27 981.72 Okay. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 997.68 999.01 uh grouped buttons, you know. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 999.01 1003.96 All th all the buttons which apply to the text functions in in one uh 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1004.29 1006.22 Different functions of of uh 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1013.46 1020.05 yeah, to minimise it to this this or whatever o o other functions totally somewhere else. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1020.05 1022.09 I think we should group them. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1022.09 1025.19 And same for the for the volume buttons and the the t 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1005.14 1013.46 Well, one area or whatever, not like the button to enter text on top of the remote control and the button to um,
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1017.84 1018.26 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1020.15 1020.35 Yeah. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1022.26 1022.64 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1032.63 1032.92 Uh 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1024.58 1032.63 And uh, is it gonna be a remote control that's um what it can be used for different kind of equipment, like your T. V. and your home stereo? 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1040.96 1049.11 and not with a stereo, I think it should be good to include functions for V. C. R. s and D. V. D. players, recorders. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1031.56 1040.96 Well I was I was thinking uh since a T. V. is uh mostly used together with a V. C. R. or D. V. D. player or recorder,
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1032.58 1032.91 Yeah. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1039.59 1039.96 Mm-hmm. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1042.91 1043.16 Mm-hmm. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1055.81 1057.53 It's what, from my experience. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1048.17 1055.81 But uh, the D. V. D. players and home cinema sets often double as stereo hi-fi sets probably. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1051.7 1051.96 Yeah. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1056.48 1057.56 But isn't it 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1056.9 1057.31 I don't know. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1057.31 1063.86 Hi-fi set is uh not often used uh as I know of in combination with television. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1058.69 1058.81 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1064.04 1064.94 But we gonna 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1067.41 1067.82 Not 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1065.17 1067.41 It's only for television, I thought. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1066.76 1067.2 Yes. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1067.99 1069.49 Oh, it is only for televis 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1070.63 1077.76 So so we probably don't have to have to uh have the functions for D. V. D. player or V. C. R. . 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1068.65 1070.63 I thought it was only for television. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1070.66 1072.94 Yes, it is only for television, but uh 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1072.89 1073.61 So wha what 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1074.67 1075.05 Well 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1075.13 1078.1 What wha what uh what document 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1078.35 1080.38 If we think it's useful, we do it. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1076.55 1078.35 well we we're gonna brainstorm about that. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1080.63 1083.29 But, where where did it uh Where did you find that? 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1084.14 1085.59 Uh, in the email. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1085.59 1088.98 I thought it said uh Yeah, television remote control. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1085.33 1085.81 Oh, okay. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1087.52 1091.7 But I was thinking since it is useful with D. V. D. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1085.58 1085.99 That's right. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1085.99 1087.52 It's a television remote control. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 1087.83 1088.64 Yes, 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1094.18 1097.66 So we can No, we have to think about that. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1097.66 1106.26 Okay, uh but uh we've gonna put some a uh is is it so user-friendliness, is a is a pri priority in this case, or 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1090.24 1094.18 Yeah, but most television remote controls support other functions as well. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 1093.83 1096.1 Yes, that's uh something extras. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1095.15 1095.65 Yeah. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1094.98 1095.15 True. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1097.46 1097.79 True. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1098.14 1098.35 Yep. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1105.44 1106.71 Yeah, also no one's gonna buy it. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 1105.46 1105.83 Yeah. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1105.77 1106.45 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1107.46 1107.86 Okay. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1107.64 1107.95 Yeah. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1108.32 1108.73 I guess. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 1108.45 1110.11 Only the experts. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1108.8 1109.06 True. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1117.64 1123.9 That w Well, then you're you're the usability uh man, so this uh gonna be a very important task for you then. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1110.13 1117.64 Well, this the maybe is uh some aspect of the uh, or or some point at at which we can excel by making it very useful. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1110.14 1110.36 Yeah. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1121.26 1123.01 Oh my God. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1123.7 1124.16 Yeah. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1124.08 1124.48 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1125.51 1126.3 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1127.07 1128.9 How can we make it trendy or something? 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1126.3 1127.07 Well, other ideas? 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1128.9 1131.26 Do uh by just sh shape and the look of it? 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 1129.56 1132.98 Uh, to go with to go with fashion and 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1136.09 1143.27 Or someth something special, like uh M. P. three player inside of it, or uh Oh, well then the production costs are gonna be too high probably. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1132.65 1135.39 Maybe a can opener underneath it? 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1135.39 1136.09 I don't know. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1136.94 1137.52 Uh 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1134.38 1136.94 For the bear. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1139.63 1141.36 I I uh, no I think it 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1143.08 1143.97 Yeah, way too high. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1148.02 1151.25 It's international, so we have to use a standard. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1143.33 1148.02 Uh, I th I think yo we have to keep it simple, to get a whole market. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1146.15 1146.38 Yep. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1148.42 1148.94 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1148.94 1159.47 Maybe with different type of fronts or uh Well, m has to be something spectacular or uh one which makes it We gonna skip back to the goals probably. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1159.47 1159.83 Uh, 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1152.5 1153.86 Well that's an idea of course, yeah. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1159.68 1159.97 Mm-hmm. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1161.53 1166.56 original, trendly, and user-friendly Well, we al also already talked about user-friendliness. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1166.56 1171.08 No, well something trendy and original, well that that goes hand in hand I guess. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1171.08 1177.21 When something is original, it tends to be trendy, probably, or we should make it combination of that. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1165.42 1165.68 Hmm. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1170.68 1171.07 Yeah. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1178.42 1185.85 'Kay, so you the um technical part of the process is something you're gonna look after for,
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1185.85 1193.17 so you have to think about what kind of uh equipment you want to uh, you know, you want to manage with it. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1193.17 1198.67 Well, and that's an important part for you then, with gogors regards to the user-friendly part of it. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1195.54 1196.25 Use friendly. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1198.14 1198.42 Yep. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1200.74 1204.89 Well, and you uh should look out for what makes it trendy. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1207.34 1211.32 Or some Does it does it gets some gadgetness or something. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1204.89 1207.34 Well, you know, y like some special feature. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1209.47 1209.71 Yeah. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1211.18 1212.73 Yes, what the market wishes. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1212.9 1213.22 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1218.83 1220.04 Individual, I think so. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1215.35 1216.05 Well, the closing. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1220.04 1225.56 The the Industrial Designer will w or the working design, of course, we will uh 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1216.05 1218.83 Next meeting starts in thirty minutes. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1226.83 1228.44 Already s said that. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1249.18 1250.81 Oh, not many I guess. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1228.44 1235.82 The User Interface Designer is it a User Inter User Interface the technical functions design. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1250.81 1251.78 We started at twelve. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1243.07 1247.45 Specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1247.45 1249.18 I don't know how much time we have left. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1238.83 1243.07 User requirements specifi Well, this one was already clear to us. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1235.82 1238.83 And the Management Expert of uh the Marketing Expert. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1233.64 1234.23 Interface d 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1233.21 1233.64 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1232.84 1233.21 Yeah. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1233.34 1234.22 Yeah. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1251.57 1252.73 You just got a message. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1252.82 1254.16 Oh, and what does it said? 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1253.96 1257.49 And it said uh five minutes, so we got four and a half. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1254.73 1255.39 Oh, I don't 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1256.47 1256.64 W 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1258.25 1259.61 Okay, well um 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1259.21 1260.2 I didn't get a message. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1260.39 1260.68 No. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1262.48 1263.86 He's the whatever. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1263.01 1265.26 Oh, the Project Manager. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 1264.76 1267.65 Team Leader. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1265.4 1267.96 No, we're uh ahead of schedule then. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1265.6 1266.82 Team Leader. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1268.08 1269.17 He is the whatever. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1269.23 1269.89 Yeah, close it. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1271.6 1274.33 I'm gonna make some minutes or take some minutes. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1271.64 1272.05 Okay. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1275.75 1276.7 Yes. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1276.3 1280.56 And uh it's it's clear you can put the stuff in the project documents presentations. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1280.56 1283.24 You can all Or we're all uh 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1279.99 1280.4 Okay. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1285.9 1286.16 Yeah. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1281.88 1285.9 Project joc project documents is for showing uh on the white-board. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1285.8 1290.86 Yeah, but we're all familiar with uh uh Microsoft PowerPoint, are we? 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1291.52 1295.21 I'm gonna wri uh write some stuff down and then we're ready. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1285.26 1285.8 Yeah. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1290.86 1291.52 Yeah, okay. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1290.49 1290.83 Yes. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1290.78 1291.23 Yeah. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1292.08 1292.41 Alright. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1296.15 1296.43 Okay. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1301.25 1304.99 or uh or sh or should we uh or is important that we leave at exact uh 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1298.71 1301.25 Or we can leave already I guess. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1300.62 1301.63 Yeah. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 1305.55 1305.95 No. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1306.91 1309.4 I don't think so. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1305.99 1306.91 No. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1309.4 1310.59 Yes? 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1310.59 1311 Great. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1306.45 1306.83 Okay. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1308.88 1309.87 I don't think Oh 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1309.91 1310.2 Yes. 
TS3008a H02 MTD030ID 1310.92 1311.16 Oh. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1312.37 1314.93 We'll see each other in uh thirty minutes. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1316.11 1316.79 Good luck. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1314.56 1316.11 Yeah. 
TS3008a H00 MTD029PM 1317.31 1317.99 Yeah, good luck. 
TS3008a H01 MTD031UID 1317.99 1319.26 I will need it. 
TS3008a H03 MTD032ME 1320.82 1323.42 I will need it. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 6.87 8.19 Here we go again. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 28.37 32.58 He's uh when I put it in, is is going to beep beep beep. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 25.72 28.37 My mouse is not working anymore. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 27.61 28.01 Oh. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 28.25 28.57 Oh. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 29.85 30.27 Okay. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 34.51 36.82 Oh, I got a nice little screen here over here. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 38.81 45.23 I got like this big black border uh on every side. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 46.48 47.14 Okay. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 48.15 48.9 Mm, okay. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 50.77 51.35 Yeah, whatever. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 48.8 50.77 I'll I'll fix it. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 48.91 49.78 Everybody ready? 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 50.19 52.01 Yeah, it's okay. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 50.89 55.78 Welcome at the functional design meeting, again presented by Maarten. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 71.52 72.84 We have uh forty minutes. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 63.13 68.34 And I'm gonna show you some of the new projects requirements that were sent to me. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 68.34 71.52 And we're gonna make a decision on the remote control functions. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 59.93 63.13 Uh, we've got three presentations. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 57.65 59.93 Uh this is the agenda, the opening. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 73.59 74.06 Yes. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 77.39 80.5 So uh well we start off with the th the first presentation then. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 74.81 77.39 Oh, well this is the the closing already. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 81.81 87.25 Uh, I think um in uh we have to do it in uh in right order. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 87.25 88.17 Maybe the 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 82.35 82.79 Okay. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 89.84 90.28 So 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 88.42 89.84 I don't know what the right order is. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 89.9 90.38 Well, it 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 89.94 90.25 No. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 90.57 90.83 Huh. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 92.65 95.89 It won't doesn't Maybe we should start with the the technical functions. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 92.27 92.65 Oh that. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 96.29 99.63 Okay, how can I get this on the whiteboard? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 96.87 97.13 Yeah? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 104.04 104.82 You've already done that? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 98.7 104.04 Well it's you dumped the file in the uh in the sh in the project document folder. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 101.01 101.8 In project. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 101.99 103.36 Okay, I've done that. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 104.77 105.75 No can that open. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 104.82 105.1 Yes. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 109.59 111.05 We'll just uh open a new one. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 108.42 109.59 Well let's close this one. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 110.66 111.3 Open it there. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 115.09 115.27 Yes. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 113.6 115.09 Uh, well. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 119.31 119.79 New thing. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 118.21 119.31 Uh-oh. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 124.96 132.26 Uh, due to some uh technical problems I haven't uh digitized the last uh the meeting minutes. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 132.26 134.6 But I'll uh make sure that uh happens next time. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 122.71 124.96 Oh yeah, uh I have to say something. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 132.28 132.56 Mm-hmm. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 134.82 135.13 Okay. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 136.19 137.39 About the get 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 137.15 140.38 And I'll get this one uh in digital uh form too. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 142.66 144.16 'Kay, we're going to um 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 148.13 157.05 Um, the method of the remote control is uh electrical energy, it activates a chip uh in the remote. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 145.36 148.13 uh talk about working design. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 157.05 158.37 It's an electrical circuit 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 159.65 167.44 which compose uh messages in the form of uh uh infrared signals to control the television. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 169.07 176.64 Mm, it's a nowadays very uh known, a known uh uh technology. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 193.32 193.91 Um, 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 182.87 187.99 Uh, it's a wild uh a wide sale uh of uh remote controls in the world. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 178.64 182.87 Um, the known technology can make a cost very low. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 187.99 193.32 And and the components are very uh very cheap. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 203.68 205.89 Uh, again, it's a fair price. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 196.36 203.68 Uh, diodes, uh bat batteries and uh uh LED lights, they're needed and they're uh everywhere available. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 205.89 214.76 It's a common uh technology uh, like I told um Uh, the circuit board, it's the most um important uh 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 220.22 225.5 Uh, we can use for that uh fibreglass with copper wires, it's it is uh 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 215.93 220.22 um part of the remote control. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 227.27 229.36 can be made as fast as printing paper. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 229.36 233.6 It's uh it's all very uh 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 231.43 231.71 Okay. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 235.99 238.8 Yeah, they're making it uh all the time. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 238.8 239.05 Uh, 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 239.44 239.78 Okay. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 240.18 244.11 and it's not uh very specialised uh technology. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 246.61 248.6 I haven't come to here, but 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 255.7 260.67 They were not uh very uh trendy or just uh 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 250.21 255.7 um I've got uh some uh images of uh remote controls. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 261.91 264.86 just a remote control like everyone knows. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 264.86 266.93 So I don't know uh why I should put it here. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 272 274.03 Uh 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 274.16 276.38 But it's the technical side of the remote control. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 272.95 274.16 Okay. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 281.38 282.11 But 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 276.83 281.38 Yes, but uh I uh haven't made it because uh of the time. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 279.38 279.6 Oh. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 281.08 282.25 Okay. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 282.25 283.77 Well, we'll we'll have to skip that part then. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 284.95 285.18 What? 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 286.44 286.83 Okay. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 294.82 295.64 It's gonna be easy? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 289.04 294.82 But you don't think it's a problem um to design uh the technical part of the remote control? 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 294.46 295.02 No. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 296.17 296.52 Yes. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 296.72 297.05 Okay. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 297.33 300.06 But nothing restricted for user interface? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 301.7 301.75 M 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 301.36 301.7 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 301.45 302.28 With technical 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 301.62 308.22 Um, no, it's uh it's just a part of uh a known technology, yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 303.1 303.58 I don't know. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 304.13 304.57 Okay. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 309.02 309.27 'Kay. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 309.37 312.07 Remote control is nothing special nowadays. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 316.79 317.73 Doesn't really matter. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 312.36 316.79 R regardless of what type of functions we want to implement. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 312.5 312.93 Okay. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 317.92 318.47 Um 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 319.35 320.31 But I kind of uh 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 319.82 330.24 I don't think so, because of the all the televisions uh there are a few maybe a couple of televisions with the new functions 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 330.24 334.97 but is it useful to put them on a on a standard uh remote? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 320.51 321.42 Okay. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 321.42 322.16 Yeah, okay. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 321.2 321.38 Yes. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 324.6 325.21 Uh 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 330.08 330.47 Okay. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 336.77 337.54 We'll see later on. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 335.99 336.77 Well, we'll see. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 338.39 340.78 Well, the technical functions. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 340.78 348.8 Um, well I don't know if you got the same uh pictures as I got, but uh I got these two 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 348.8 358.52 and I think they're we have to focus uh on uh the uh one hand the expert view or the novice user. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 345.88 346.23 No. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 346.34 346.68 No. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 359.58 366.23 th I think it's it's very much uh depending on the user requirements, I don't s uh know who's doing t 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 365.68 369.56 Well, uh will there be some uh user requirements later on? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 372.66 372.86 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 369.56 372.66 The ones I I've uh received from the account manager. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 369.32 377.75 Yeah, but it I think that's very important to watch uh what kind of functions there we want to uh put in a remote control. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 377.35 379.8 Well, we'll keep this in mind, and then discuss it later on. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 379.68 389.58 Yeah, well y we can put functions in it when uh yeah, when we uh get the user requirements uh and we can update it. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 386.96 387.25 Uh-huh. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 393.75 400.83 we should we should choose one uh we should not compromise but uh really choose for uh expert viewer or novice v Yeah? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 400.83 402.31 Well, what that's what you want trying to say. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 388.99 393.75 Okay, but this real this uh big d uh distinction between this type of remote. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 400.11 400.24 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 398.73 400.11 Yes, I agree. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 415.34 424.91 It's it's really um depending on how how how far the the the remote controls are already in n um in use. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 414.22 415.34 But I don't know. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 408.4 414.22 uh like elderly people and we have to choose for novice user. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 402.34 408.4 Well, yeah w if you want try a a a huge market, if you want to reach a huge market 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 412.44 412.96 Okay. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 413.81 414.09 Okay. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 416.87 418.95 Yeah, well some of these Uh, yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 424.15 430.12 Well, some of that will Yeah, but i but it will be more clear when we come to the uh u uh some of the new requirements. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 430.02 431.5 Yeah, probably, yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 430.36 430.61 Yes. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 431.3 431.61 So 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 446.38 454.48 Um, most standard uh have volume, of course, and a mute function, and, of course, the next and previous channel. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 441.31 446.38 uh on and off switch, which must be clear with a red button or something like that. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 454.48 458 I think that's just basic what we need. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 433.61 441.31 Uh well, there are l at least uh basic functions, uh like just th the channels uh one till nine,
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 458 462.16 And from that on we can user requirements what we need more. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 457.15 457.47 Mm-hmm. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 465.06 466.01 Uh 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 477.21 487.08 and I don't know if there uh are any um uh if you put more functions, more buttons, maybe it's com becoming less trendy or something like that. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 468.88 477.21 Yeah, I just um um I thought Joost was looking at the trendy the trends in the markets,
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 476.97 477.23 Yes. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 488.33 491.56 I haven't really found a conclusion like that. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 493.37 494.03 I don't know. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 503.71 504.19 I think. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 494.03 503.71 Uh, I th I thought the the with less buttons you can make a more trendier uh yeah, more trendier design, I think. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 488.58 493.37 M you can just you can k you can keep it in mind that. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 492.72 493.04 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 500.88 501.34 Design. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 504.77 505.55 Sounds interesting. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 506.02 506.35 Yeah? 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 507.96 509.74 Uh, well, that's all I have to say, I think. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 509.51 509.81 Okay. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 510.63 511.33 Yeah, that was it. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 510.73 511.16 Alright. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 512.04 516.28 Well, then the Marketing expert can uh tell us something about the current market. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 513.8 514.41 Yes. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 516.76 517.59 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 519.35 519.9 Um 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 517.59 519.35 It's alright. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 527.29 531.7 Alright, I've done some research for functional requirements. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 531.7 533.65 Um yes. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 534.63 541.79 The working method um there were hundred uh uh w h one hundred people, uh 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 563.67 568.58 about zapping behaviour, and uh and stuff like that. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 580.98 587.44 So if we make a trendy design, we sure have seventy fi seventy five percent of the market, which you can reach. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 555.41 563.67 Uh, ask whether um common remote control looks good or not, about willingness to spend money on remote control,
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 553.33 555.41 Uh, I've lined them up here. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 570.99 573.28 We do we do got a market. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 542.91 553.33 how do you say uh, f watched using remote controls in the usability lab and they also uh filled out a questionnaire uh with a few questions. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 568.58 570.99 I uh have found some interesting things. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 573.28 580.98 Um, three out of four people claim m uh to find remote controls ugly. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 588.49 598.29 Um, three out of four users uh zaps a lot, as I uh quoted here from the uh results. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 601.6 603.1 That's quite a lot. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 603.1 603.74 Um, 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 598.29 601.6 Zap buttons are used one hundred and sixty eight times per hour. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 629.52 632 Furthermore, fifty percent says 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 604.39 608.55 relevant options are, of course, power buttons. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 612.08 620.53 Uh, channel selection, volume and buttons for text, and the more um, yeah,
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 620.53 629.52 other functions, like audio settings, video settings, sound settings are not said to be very important and uh very much used. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 608.55 612.08 Although, only used once per hour. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 633.05 637.61 uh they only use ten percent of the buttons on a remote control. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 637.61 640.87 That doesn't say we got we can leave ninety percent off. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 640.87 641.15 But 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 670.48 681.89 And uh elderly people, our market, are less interested in uh nice features, but more willingly to spend more money on remote controls. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 663.31 670.48 which is over seventy percent of our market, is in the age range of thirty six to sixty five years old. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 649.67 655.85 Fifty percent also claims uh to have lost a remote control very often in the room. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 642.21 649.67 it sure um says we shouldn't make it too uh complicated. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 655.85 663.31 And um an important thing here, the most important customers uh,
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 682.83 688.45 So, what I was thinking oh, wrong side. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 695.7 702.46 Group features for a higher usability, uh what I was claiming in the previous meeting. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 702.46 710.62 Um, all the settings, about audio settings, video settings and channel settings, which are not very often used, 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 688.45 695.7 We shouldn't implement too much features on uh on our remote control, because elderly people will get th lost. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 711.7 714.23 we could group them uh on one button 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 715.68 724.9 and make them accessible uh in one menu button or whatever, because they are used very rarely and well,
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 724.9 731.1 it uh there are a lot of options there, so we can really make uh yeah, how do you say, 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 732.64 735.71 we can spare at buttons over there. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 735.71 742.64 And um, if you want to implement V. C. R. and D. V. D. options, group them in the button, not too uh 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 734.78 735.09 Okay. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 744.21 744.91 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 746.02 750.36 Small buttons, so they won't be very um, how do you say 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 751.02 752.03 Visually presents. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 752.28 755.23 Yes, won't be very present, thank you. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 765.6 769.68 I guess it can do no harm to make it trendy for the other thirty percent. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 755.23 765.6 And a trendy look, well uh, although seventy percent of the market is uh consists of elderly people uh who don't really care for trendy looks or whatever 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 771.7 773.14 That was kind of what I found. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 784.12 792.7 Uh, well some of the uh new requirements make some of your findings quite uh irrelevant, I think. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 775.56 784.12 Well, then we I'm gonna show you some of the new project requirements and then we gonna discuss on uh what features we find important. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 773.93 775.56 Okay. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 774.32 774.69 Okay. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 774.44 774.83 Okay. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 780.35 781.29 Yes. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 796.36 798.03 Because um 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 800.12 804 uh s decided to put They have decide to put two additional requirements forward. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 805.07 806.34 Well, now I see four. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 806.34 807.42 That's kinda strange. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 805.48 807.29 Two? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 851.97 857.72 So maybe we should leave all D. V. D. and V. C. R. related features off completely. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 819.76 821.77 It's impossible, I think. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 828.04 835.03 and don't make a lot of special put a lot of special features on it to make it transparent or You know,
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 842.28 843.28 So we have to think of that. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 843.28 845.6 The remote control should only be used for television. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 809.08 814.16 Well, they say tele teletext becomes outdated since the popularity of the internet. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 821.77 828.04 So the compromise we could make is just to make one teletext button, you know, like on and off 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 845.6 851.97 Otherwise, the project becomes more complex, which endangers the time t t ma uh the time to market. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 835.03 842.28 it's just you want you want to be able to make use of teletext, but not to play with it that much. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 814.16 819.76 Well, I think that may be so, but well, we can't just leave the teletext button off. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 814.76 815.23 Well 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 819.6 821.68 No uh, I agree, I agree. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 820 820.4 No way. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 832.36 833.47 Not too much, no. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 841.67 841.8 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 856.5 856.82 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 858.14 858.68 Okay. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 859.36 859.72 I don't know. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 859.72 860.54 I think that uh 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 867.64 871.35 New products should reach a new market with customers that are younger than forty. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 877.18 881.53 But, well, they're not relevant because we are aiming at a younger 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 862.03 864.49 that's what they're trying to say. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 871.35 877.18 So you uh talked about the elderly who were willing to spend more on a remote control and who were interested. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 864.49 867.64 Uh, our current customers are within the age group of forty plus. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 873.78 874.08 Mm-hmm. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 891.61 895.41 It's only like thirty percent of the total market. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 881.99 884.08 I don't really agree actually, to be honest. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 895.41 896.19 Mayb yeah? 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 884.08 891.61 It's a very small market which we will approach then if we uh want to reach customers younger than forty. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 894.96 901.49 Yeah, but it is it's is a dif it's a fact that the th th that bigger market you're talking about, we already cover that. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 901.49 909.02 Our company already sells remote control to the older people, but we we also want, you know, a new customer group. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 909.02 910.86 That's the one we haven't covered yet. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 910.86 911.66 So I think that's 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 913.47 916.72 We haven't got remote controls for uh Well I think, yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 912.69 913.47 what the problem is. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 913.38 914.37 Okay. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 919.2 921.06 Not too much then, bu alright. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 916.07 919.2 Maybe maybe we can compromise a little bit. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 917.89 918.83 Yeah, I think so. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 924.37 925.07 So maybe we can 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 918.83 924.37 Maybe if it's no no, but I think we have to just keep in mind what the older age group wants. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 937.01 941.33 Our product's corporate colour and slogan must be implemented in the new design. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 933.58 937.01 Uh, our corporate image sh should stay recognisable in our products. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 941.33 943.91 Okay, something else nice to know. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 926.31 933.58 make a remote control that's primarily interesting for the younger group, but isn't that bad for an older person either. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 932.5 932.85 Yes. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 943.53 944.56 But what's our slogan? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 945.5 945.86 Sorry? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 945.86 948.86 Yeah, you will have to look that up. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 946.26 947.22 The slogan uh 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 948.75 951.24 Yeah, I'll have a look. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 953.36 955.85 We put the fashion in electronics. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 953.44 957.22 I think it's something about the Oh, okay. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 957.22 960.3 I thought it w might be, let's make things better or something, but 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 953.78 956.19 Puts fashion in electronics. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 959.88 962.59 Sense simplicity. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 959.92 963.62 Sense and simplicity. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 963.71 965.76 Okay well, let's go back to the 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 968.88 969.48 the agenda. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 972.92 974.93 We know about the new project requirements. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 971.11 972.92 So we've now had to the three presentations. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 986.68 993.49 and I already talked about the maybe you have a f familiar with the rem remote control that has the the can opener underneath it. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 980.45 986.68 Well, if I can uh make a start, I think it's becoming more clear what kind of remote control it's gonna be 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1000.91 1002.19 Y well, that 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 993.49 1000.91 I think we're we're looking for some Yeah, we we're looking for a really simple remote control with only basic T. V. functions. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 975.95 980.45 That means we can uh well d yeah, discuss on the remote control functions. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1001.01 1001.21 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1001.31 1008.47 Well, to be honest, if um our uh aim group is uh till forty,
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1015.88 1028.72 I think we can implement more functions then, because um basically uh the younger people are more able to adapt to new technology and therefore will be a more 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1008.47 1015.88 not older than forty, maybe that's not very uh yeah, we don't really need to have a simple remote control. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1008.55 1008.9 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1013.73 1014.04 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1021.38 1021.83 Yeah, but wha 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1027.41 1034.76 M yeah, that's why um well a lot of um the use the requirements the the account manager sent me,
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1039.84 1044.73 and no uh other uh s functions than just T. V., but they s do aim at a younger Well, ma 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1026.95 1027.41 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1034.76 1039.84 I think they are are c are contradicting each other, because they want a simpler design,
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1028.74 1029.19 But 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1039.68 1041.53 Yes. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1051.26 1058.93 I think more I think uh people younger people are more looking for just a trendy look than uh more functions. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1048.21 1051.26 So why should j we put this function in? 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1044.02 1048.21 Yeah, but you sai you said that that a lot of functions aren't used. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1044.38 1044.57 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1050.6 1052.17 Well, I think 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1058.33 1064.09 But I think uh you we can make some discuss uh distinctions in uh what kin in the, know, th th in functions you have 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1064.38 1064.46 Y 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1084.03 1086.45 I think that was that became clear. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1087.33 1093.95 But w maybe we should put some func uh, I know that the younger people will most likely have a D. V. D. player they want to, 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1086.45 1087.33 We don't want. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1070.97 1079.5 you you can make very d you can put very detailed functions regarding the T. V. set on your remote control uh with the with uh the,
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1065.21 1069.8 Well you have different kind of uh equipment in your room, like a t T. V. and a D. V. D. player. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1083.28 1084.03 We don't want that. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1069.8 1070.97 You can uh, know 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1079.5 1083.28 you know, audio settings and uh v uh screen settings. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1068.51 1068.78 Yes. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1095.11 1096.2 you know, they want to uh 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1095.76 1097.01 Yeah, control. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1096.44 1103.44 Yeah, but uh you said Yeah, d yeah, but th the functions are not in the remote control we're making. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1097.38 1098.85 control, remotely. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1111.86 1113.53 I think we maybe should 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1104.11 1111.86 No, yeah, th th the user requirements of the the The new project requirements told us not to But maybe w Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1104.5 1105.39 It's n 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1108.17 1108.39 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1111.33 1111.58 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1121.26 1124.49 Maybe like rewind and wind, or n what d what do you guys think? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1114.56 1119.49 Yeah, well we should uh put some functions for other maybe for other equipment on it. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1119.49 1121.26 But just the basic functions. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1123.72 1125.66 But you can put them under the same button. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1123.81 1124.83 Not much more than that. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1126.54 1126.8 Yep. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1126.56 1128.08 Yeah, if as far as possible. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1128.16 1131.96 Or we can u u we could put 'em behind the flip-flap or whatever. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1133.03 1133.32 So t 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1141.96 1143.46 Yeah, the new requirements say so. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1133.06 1133.69 But what do you think? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1133.69 1140.31 Do th should we implement features that uh uh or functions that to control other devices? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1140.31 1141.96 No, you don't think so? 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1139.28 1139.65 No. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1140.86 1142.38 No, new requirements say no. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1143.51 1143.9 So 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1144.42 1147.74 But you can put a play and stop and and rewind. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1155.31 1158.62 You know, a lot of D. V. D. players have some tricky settings with 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1146.94 1147.16 Well 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1147.16 1155.31 maybe it's maybe there there there is something th m most of the time these functions don't support the particular device as well as their their own remote control. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1146.95 1147.88 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1148.05 1148.94 Yeah, but 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1157.38 1158.27 Yes, but we 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1157.98 1158.64 Y yes. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1158.44 1165.16 I i if it's too simple uh th they won't use the remote control, they use their own th th with lot more functions. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1161.19 1162.45 Yep, exactly. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1163.98 1164.58 That's that's wha 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1164.33 1168.5 But but for for example, V. C. R., that's better example in this case. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1168.5 1178.4 I think on a remote control for television you don't need to be able to programme uh the V. C. R. to start recording at three P. M. or whatever,
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1178.4 1181.17 just play, stop, rewind and uh fast forward. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1175.83 1178.08 No no, you don't No no, you don't need it. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1178.08 1178.36 No, no. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1177.61 1178.15 Exactly. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1176.28 1177.61 No, no. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1176.75 1177.04 Huh. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1194.08 1196.52 It's c sometimes a bit difficult. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1196.52 1202.52 Maybe if we just leave the D. V. D. functional m uh Well, I was thinking about putting it in,
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1180.54 1185.2 Okay, but we have to think uh w we have to think D. V. D. I th uh, I guess,
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1191.39 1194.08 Uh, you get two speed or eight speed or sixteen speed. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1202.52 1208.35 but concerning the project requirements and what you just said, I think we m should focus on the T. V. then. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1185.2 1191.39 so um but uh from my experience it's kinda a lot of D. V. D. players, you know, like forwarding, goes differently. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1184.06 1185.25 Yeah, I know, but uh 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1193.9 1194.2 Mm, yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1205.07 1205.9 Yes. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1205.99 1207.61 Yeah, but just 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1208.68 1210.46 keep it simple and look more at th 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1225.96 1230.13 you pick up the the the nice remote, the simple one, just to put on the television, nothing more. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1219.22 1223.23 It's just a s it it should be something that is like a gadget on your coffee table 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1223.23 1225.96 and it's just for when you you you jump on the couch,
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1215.16 1218.36 If you want to keep it simple, you can make a universal remote. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1210.34 1215.16 And uh and it's just an uh a complimentary remote and not a universal one. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1218.36 1219.22 Okay. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1215.51 1215.74 No. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1217.4 1218.65 It's only for television. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1218.65 1218.89 So 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1219 1220.37 Yes, but there are there are 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1226.67 1227.08 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1228.58 1228.78 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1231.83 1232.25 Exactly. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1229.54 1231.83 Yeah, nothing more. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1231.24 1231.6 Okay. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1232.24 1232.58 Alright. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1233.21 1235.26 Um, but what televis 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1234.24 1238.74 But how wi how will you be able to handle a whole market? 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1238.74 1243.71 There are uh a dozen of uh dozens of of remote controls that have 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1246.52 1250.33 Well, we we will come to that, but ju first on the on the functions. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1253.08 1258.09 Um, also numbers, to uh to go to the specific channels. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1250.33 1253.08 So we should put uh zap buttons on it. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1242.86 1245.4 Yeah, we we'll make w this one trendy. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1245.4 1246.52 And simple. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1244.8 1245.4 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1245.4 1248.08 The user interface is easy. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1254.94 1258.32 And the basic yeah, basic functions, yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1257.36 1258.76 Yes, definitely, yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1259.17 1259.58 Uh, 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1259.56 1261.75 It's too much integrated in the other. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1262.94 1265.31 But just one big teletext button, on and off. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1260.74 1262.94 Okay, a t a teletext button should be there. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1263.04 1263.38 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1266.48 1266.72 Probably. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1270.46 1272.88 I think stop function is very useful. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1272.88 1278.45 If you have a uh a page which consists of more pages, and you are not a very quick reader, 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1266.6 1270.46 Yeah, and maybe two or three other options, but not nothing more than that. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1279.38 1280.17 Oh, okay. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1279.64 1282.99 then I think it's very irritating if the next page shows up, but 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1281.47 1288.02 Yeah, but uh I think that becomes too difficult, it's not a very common function and people will have to read up on their remote then. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1285.72 1288.58 Well, I use it very regularly, the action. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1288.58 1291.53 I re I use it quite often. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1295.08 1295.26 And 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1290.27 1295.08 Yeah, yeah, but maybe you s yeah yeah, maybe y you do, but I've never heard of it in the first place. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1293.4 1293.91 Will you look 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1300.76 1306.32 We just want to see what programmes are on and what time it is probably. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1306.6 1307.08 I don't know. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1306.32 1306.6 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1310.33 1311.66 I don't know what you th guys think. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1307.08 1310.33 I think that that's kin getting too complex for our remote. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1296.6 1300.76 we have to well t yeah, and t and teletext is becoming outdated. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1297.39 1298.24 Look at the market. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1309.68 1310.32 Well 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1310.54 1310.95 Might be. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1310.95 1311.58 Might be. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1311.74 1318.37 Yeah, I uh, it's Sunday I always use it for the uh yeah, for the soccer uh 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1318.07 1320.88 Yeah, but do you like to have a such a s stop button? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1320.88 1321.64 Or do you think it uh 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1322.86 1327.11 I think it's a kind of uh uh very rare and special function. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1324.92 1330.16 Well, uh when you uh uh when you look uh for example um,
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1330.16 1338.48 a couple of weeks ago I looked at the for the flights, and there are a lot of flights in one page, so if if th 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1334.55 1334.91 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1335.87 1339.84 Okay, it goes Yeah, but that's kind of stuff we should do on the internet right now. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1339.84 1342.88 That's why it was uh said in the in the use in the r new requirements. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1339.89 1341.14 Yes, but you could put 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1340.63 1341.66 Yeah, but 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1342.08 1347.47 on the z on the zap buttons you can put it to uh to uh access all the same pages. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1347.47 1350.55 If you have seven pages, you can go up and down. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1351.83 1357.7 and then you can just skip manually through them using I think we should just put one teletext button on it. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1357.7 1360.14 Then we meet uh the new requirements. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1347.9 1351.83 Well yeah uh, lots of new televisions can store pages, you know 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1351.91 1352.3 Yes. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1354.95 1355.11 True. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1361.64 1367.23 we also meet the other thin y you sh you just re we have to choose for the the simple design, I guess. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1366.77 1367.5 A simple yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1370.29 1375.12 Um, well, what functions do we have to decide on? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1369.2 1370.29 Okay. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1377.5 1383.73 Or do we uh I dunno if we have t stif specifically name all the functions we n we want. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1385.04 1386.98 We have the zap and uh the volume. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1388.96 1390.36 The the the zap button. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1386.98 1388.96 Should we do m make them very big? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1390.36 1390.57 D d 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1390.37 1395.11 I think the plus and the minus button should be uh quite present, yep. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1390.53 1390.99 Yes. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1391.8 1394.53 Th that's that's that's considered to be trendy also. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1395.56 1396.13 I don't know. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1393.58 1395.56 But trendy, yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1395.76 1399.01 Or maybe you should place them on a uh, in a special way? 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1398.03 1400.53 Maybe we can make uh a kind of a joystick. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1400.66 1408.07 Yeah, something or uh somethin special way to to zap through the it has to s it has to be yeah, and quick. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1408.07 1410.22 You have to use it very quickly. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1408.38 1408.97 It was uh 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1407.52 1408.38 Original. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1410.09 1410.29 Yep. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1411.65 1415.87 If you grab the remote, your hands should be on top of the plus. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1411.76 1411.94 True. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1415.35 1423.73 Yeah, and it the buttons should make it um possible to to zap through your channels in a rapid at a rapid pace. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1424.1 1424.37 Yes. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1425.72 1429.06 Oh, what should we decide on then? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1430.32 1432.75 I think in a in a case of this simple remote control,
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1432.75 1438.3 the technical aspects which uh weren't worked out already, but it w shouldn't be a problem then. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1430.41 1430.77 But 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1431.2 1431.61 Yeah. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1438.58 1443.73 No, it's o just signals uh and the television d uh does the rest. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1441.14 1441.34 Yep. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1441.62 1442.58 Maybe uh 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1444.91 1451.58 No, okay, but we don't have to uh, when we don't want to uh control other devices, I think it makes it even more simple. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1450.24 1450.58 No. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1451.43 1454.35 Uh maybe we uh uh the batteries maybe. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1454.35 1456.73 If you use large batteries or small batter batteries. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1457.74 1459.53 The most standard batteries. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1458.06 1458.51 I think 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1459.65 1462 I think that we should use uh d yeah,
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1462 1467.98 not not uh the b the watch kind th the most uh Well, it has to be simple, and I wi 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1459.96 1460.84 I think double A. . 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1460.11 1461.61 Yeah? 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1462.1 1462.31 Yep. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1467.28 1467.6 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1467.65 1470.13 The most ordinary uh batteries. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1469.08 1472.89 Which are most likely to be found somewhere in the house, you know. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1471.22 1471.67 Okay. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1472.68 1472.91 Yep. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1474.66 1475.12 Oh. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1480.99 1482.36 Well, uh these these shouldn't 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1478.81 1480.99 Uh ten twenty minutes. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1477.4 1478.81 M m m more than thirty minutes? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1475.12 1477.4 How much time do we ha we have left uh? 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1476.97 1479.09 I think about twenty minutes. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1480.87 1484.76 But i in a way we have to be uh uh special. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1481.35 1481.93 Early break. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1485.82 1486.42 Yeah, okay. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1486.42 1487.29 But that's that's 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1485.3 1485.82 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1488.42 1491.11 Do you uh have you have you think about tha thought about that? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1501.91 1508.33 Maybe it should be a remote control when you you clap you hands it makes some noise or some gadget kind of thing. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1493.75 1501.91 Do you suggest design or the shape or some gadget f f kind of feature or Well, it was something about how we lose them. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1491.11 1493.75 How we can what the extra touch can be. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1493.72 1495.05 Maybe th m 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1506.83 1515.2 I think that's n that's more for a for an age range or uh ten to twelve or whatever. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1508.63 1509.81 To find him. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1509.81 1510.64 That's maybe yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1509.43 1509.76 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1546.07 1547.69 It's gonna cost twenty five Euros. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1520 1526.45 It w it w should be like a birthday present or something that you give someone, and it is i has something nice. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1515.57 1520 Nah, um a lot of people like to have such kind kind of kind of gay kind of things. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1526.45 1530.71 Or maybe it w should have a big uh light that can flash or something on it 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1512.32 1515.15 I don't know. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1515.15 1515.57 I don't know. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1535.65 1540.54 Maybe it contains some feature that you don't normally link to a remote control. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1540.54 1546.07 I think it's very impor because we're gonna make such a basic remote control, we have to do something to make it special. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1530.71 1535.65 or maybe it should or an or the like the the can opener. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1523.69 1526.42 Yeah, yeah, that's good one, yep. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1526.16 1526.49 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1543.3 1543.7 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1548.04 1556.61 Ye I think the can opener i is a brilliant idea actually, because television and beer is not a rare combination. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1551.94 1553.81 Yeah, but the well, it's already been done. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1552.41 1553.97 Yeah, but that's yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1557.96 1561.8 But and I think it's gonna be uh very uh it has to be sturdy or something 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1577.64 1580.48 Not some thing you you throw away next week, you know. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1576.63 1577.64 We're really gonna use them. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1556.55 1557.96 Yeah, that's true. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1555.57 1556.55 Nah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1561.8 1567.03 so maybe with with bouncing pads so that you can just throw it on the floor or something. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1571.77 1576.63 you know y not s people, when they buy it, they have to think, well this one lasts for a long time. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1567.03 1571.77 it has to be used something special, and you really it has to,
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1562.5 1562.83 Yes. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1567.09 1567.5 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1569.21 1569.39 Yep. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1580.66 1581.95 No, that's true. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1590.46 1593.5 So there's a very important task for you. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1603.81 1610.13 So big buttons, flashy design, and maybe some kind of gadget kind of thing. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1593.5 1595.78 And maybe we can all think about it. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1600.35 1603.81 and and uh and al as in a friend use friendly as well, you know. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1582.49 1587.37 So maybe uh that's i I think that's when uh when we decide on these type of functions,
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1587.37 1590.46 know, basic functions, uh it's very important to find something like this. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1595.78 1600.35 Uh, also for you maybe, when t you it's very nice when you can be entra when you can be trendy,
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1594.69 1595.73 Be original, yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1600.7 1601.58 Mm-hmm. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1601.58 1602.84 And use friendly, yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1603.83 1604.05 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1607.22 1607.42 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1611.82 1612.76 Must brain-storm. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1611.97 1612.15 Uh-huh. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1611.97 1613.69 Yeah, a swapable front or whatever. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1621.66 1623.31 It could be be Yeah, you never know, but 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1613.75 1621.66 Yeah, or just different colours would be uh I don't know if people also wanna spend more money on fronts for their uh remote control. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1620.63 1620.88 Well 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1621 1623.48 For the remote control. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1621.95 1623.37 Why not? 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1623.46 1624.59 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1624.5 1625.38 More money for us. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1627.35 1629.49 But it and I think we have to make it quite big. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1627.75 1628.09 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1630.61 1631.08 Quite big. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1631.08 1631.75 Yeah, you think? 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1631.05 1633.11 Yes, definitely, definitely. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1631.21 1633.24 Yeah, people 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1632.58 1635.96 That's to be uh a formed for your hand. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1636.62 1642.57 If you want it to be something, you know, it's ha doesn't have much functions want to be you don't want to get it l make it 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1634.42 1636.62 So, and and also because uh it is expensive. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1640.85 1644.57 Yes, it it it should be f be visible nearly anywhere in the room. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1644.57 1649.2 As I uh as I said during my presentation, fifty percent uh o 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1646.09 1646.38 Mm-hmm. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1648.28 1650.88 And shou and should ni look nice when you put it on a table. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1655.88 1660.53 Yeah, you have to put it on its So it's like a vase or uh something you put on a table. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1662.63 1665.46 But, it's like like a statue or something 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1650.88 1655.88 I I think you m might wanna put it uh yeah, that it it it it stands up. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1660.53 1662.63 no no, put stuff inside it. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1653.03 1654.09 A standard or something. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1655.67 1655.94 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1661.05 1661.24 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1660.31 1661.05 Or uh yeah, yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1659.76 1660.31 A face? 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1661.55 1663.03 More like a joystick then. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1665.01 1666.6 Yeah, yeah, I see what you mean, yep. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1666.04 1668 It's like you have uh four phones. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1668 1668.65 Something like that. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1667.49 1671.59 Yeah yeah, but yeah, but you also can put it somewhere near the window in 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1676.45 1684.95 I in in the base we could like make uh a button, and if you push it, the remote control itself s makes noise. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1669.96 1676.45 If you do that, but I don't know if that's possible within the production cost of twelve and a half Euros. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1692.26 1693.41 Uh fifty percent 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1684.95 1692.26 That's probably stupid, but uh as I found here uh, fifty percent, was it fifty? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1672.41 1673.44 That it's it's fashionable. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1675.71 1676.88 I I don't 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1684.94 1685.26 Oh, yeah. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1691.91 1695.48 But that's that's fun for the first time, and then the second 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1694.46 1697.25 fifty percent often loses remote control. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1696.9 1701.55 Yeah, but but when you when it gets lost, how can you press the button to make it 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1701.18 1705.41 No uh, of the base the the the the the the the thing you put it in. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1703.17 1704.1 Oh, okay. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1703.7 1704.71 On the television. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1706.09 1707.4 Oh, like this. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1706.11 1708.06 Uh, that's kind of nice. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1707.18 1710.49 If an a button in in that uh 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1709.79 1710.46 Or you can 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1710 1713.89 And then also you don't even need batteries, because you can make it uh chargeable. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1713.5 1714.38 A char chargeable. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1714.38 1714.59 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1716.54 1716.95 Why not. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1713.54 1716.54 Yeah, you can ma make rechargeable one, yeah. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1714.16 1714.81 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1731.14 1737.66 then the then the money there must be money to spend on that kind of st you know, rechargeable units. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1716.45 1722.64 Yeah, that w yeah, but yeah, the pro No, well I think that it might be t p Well, nee but we don't Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1722.64 1725.12 Maybe you, but we don't know much about production cost 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1725.12 1731.14 but when you you can imagine that when you spend twenty five Euros on a remote control and it's a basic remote control,
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1719.28 1719.71 Why not. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1730.12 1731.47 With recharger. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1739.16 1739.24 Aye? 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1736.76 1739.16 It should only cost twelve and a half Euros, of course. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1739.52 1743.97 Yeah, but we would d ma we'd do it in Taiwan and So, it's not gonna be that expen 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1740.61 1741.28 Production. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1743.74 1746.45 Yeah, okay. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1747.76 1749.01 I think it's a good idea. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1746.09 1747.76 It should be possible. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1746.4 1748.03 Uh I I think it's a great idea. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1749.07 1749.35 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1749.57 1756.6 S some kind of be I've never seen that before, and you make it uh um be uh, you see it with uh the mo the mouses nowadays. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1750.35 1751.75 To make a base or something? 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1756.89 1758.02 Yes, definitely. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1756.2 1756.89 Yes. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1758.02 1758.25 Yeah. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1758.29 1759.54 Yes, but is that handy? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1765.26 1767.76 And uh you can always find your remote control up 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1764.71 1765.26 That's one. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1760.94 1764.71 Well, I well it's really ch you can recharge it, so you ha never have the battery problem. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1764.28 1765.66 It's it's it's it's 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1766.42 1774.13 But but remote controls remote controls nowadays can can last uh two years, three years, with with t two batteries. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1766.66 1768.35 it's not the purpose to be handy, it's 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1787.3 1788.58 Does it makes it kinda 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1775.56 1780.41 Well, maybe yeah, you could when that's when it's too costly, you could probably skip the recharger,
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1780.41 1787.3 but you will you do need uh also an uh, also you would need a battery in the the base unit as well, you know. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1774.39 1775.56 Uh, okay. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1776.7 1777.42 And then you 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1787.42 1788.1 Yes. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1788.1 1788.51 Or 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1792.2 1792.66 I don't know. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1787.81 1792.2 Well y you you could connect that to two hundred to twenty volts, of course. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1791.11 1792.7 Mm. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1792.7 1795.01 Yeah, but that's not it's ugly, I think. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1792.77 1793.02 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1792.04 1792.46 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1792.46 1792.77 Okay. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1794.52 1801.89 Yeah, but then it's very easy to make it also a rechargeab I don't think that is gonna cost much to make it also a recharge function in it. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1800.6 1800.93 No. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1805.09 1814.11 I mean, it looks trendy and still still put a bleep function in it, but um I think the bay is definitely uh 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1802.18 1805.09 On the other hand, if you don't do it, we can also make a nice bay. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1809.76 1810.06 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1814.97 1817.15 And make it, you know, we we um 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1814.1 1814.97 I think it's a good idea. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1850.89 1855.71 and we can't deliver that in r with uh regards to the functions, because we aren't gonna put 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1818.81 1822.46 Well, we uh it's it isn't a t a most uh costly uh remote control. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1824.19 1831.74 We just put some simple button in, make it big and sturdy, nothing more, and just make s sure there's some noise that it can make,
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1822.46 1824.19 We can save on the on the functions. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1838.86 1844.64 And if you put it away, I think it's uh w we have to we uh that's uh it's not a easy market. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1846.04 1850.89 And for twenty five Euros people want something remote c special from your mote control,
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1844.64 1846.04 We have to something special. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1831.74 1838.86 or probably some kind of cheap light thing around it or that it uh that it lights up, it's also nice. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1836.58 1837.67 Sure, why not. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1837.67 1838 Yep. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1841.57 1841.76 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1843.63 1843.89 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1845.99 1846.16 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1846.71 1846.9 True. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1850.44 1850.73 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1851.07 1851.59 Definitely. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1854.98 1857.78 With eye candy, ear candy, whatever. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1857.78 1858.68 Yeah, definitely. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1857.49 1858.67 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1858.67 1863.5 And then uh when make it, you know, nice looking shape and this and then you also you got the stand-up thing. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1864.79 1865.33 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1865.33 1866.79 I think I think it's a good idea. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1865.44 1865.62 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1866.07 1868.56 Yeah, it must be must be a gadget to have. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1888.32 1890.44 If that's too expensive, we won't do that. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1876.74 1880.55 And we even try to save up on other stuff to make sure we can do such a thing. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1890.44 1891.29 But it would be nice. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1870.1 1876.74 Oh, if it let's well, we will see what's possible concerning the the costs, and if it's possible we'll do that. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1868.92 1870.1 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1880.55 1888.32 And the first thing we the most likeable thing to to n to skip is then probably the recharge function or something. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1869.41 1870.08 Definitely, yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1876.42 1876.62 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1889.14 1889.82 Yeah, we c 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1891.64 1892.8 It would be nice, yes. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1893.09 1895.27 I know that batteries last long nowadays. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1900.32 1903.29 so y b because it's very annoying when your battery is empty. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1892.41 1893.09 It's the idea. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1903.29 1908.14 And you know then when you haven't batteries around, and probably for two weeks, your remo I've experienced that that 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1895.27 1900.32 And and what people just think about, well, I'll never have to buy any r batteries again 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1906.89 1911.87 Most televisions break down before the battery pack is empty, so yes. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1909.77 1910.43 Yeah, okay. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1913.39 1918.91 Well, we will we will I think we'll work that out, zapping, numbers on it, bi 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1912.07 1913.39 So, easy functions. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1918.44 1921.73 Or just give a beep when the battery's out or uh down. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1922.28 1922.82 Yeah, why not. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1968.54 1973.22 they wanna see something quick and uh just push the button and th uh, I think it's brilliant. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1933.74 1939.39 You don't want to have ever have those problems, and you won't have if if you have the rechargeable. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1951.03 1955.86 And when it, you know, when time goes by and they think, well, I'll never put him in the recharger,
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1939.39 1944.23 And you don't have to use the unit, you can also put it on the side if people don't like it. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1947.65 1951.03 if if they pay for it because they think, oh, that's a great idea, I'm gonna use it. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1960.13 1964.18 Then when they look get m I I I know for sure that everybody who buys this remote control 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1973.22 1975.94 Yeah, I've never it's so simple, but I've never seen it. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1923.55 1926.76 But it's also annoying. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1964.18 1968.54 within a couple of months of they will be in the situation that they they're seeking for the remote control,
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1955.86 1960.13 I think last long enough, then they put it on side and they can use it now and then. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1926.76 1932.18 'cause as long as it stays as it ke keeps working, you're not very motivated to do something about it. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1932.18 1933.74 Then it beeps all the time and. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1944.23 1947.65 Uh, i i in the in the ma Yeah, but it w I mean,
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1922.47 1923.55 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1927.18 1927.55 Hmm. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1929.42 1929.88 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1931.36 1932.15 true. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1932.36 1932.99 No, that's true. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1944.27 1944.62 Why not. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 1944.91 1946.23 But you pay for it. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1969.06 1969.47 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1971.72 1973.84 Bleep bleep bleep, oh there it is, yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1973.84 1974.2 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1973.49 1973.82 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1977.27 1977.69 Nearly. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1976.5 1977.27 No. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1976.88 1978.05 And you can leave it just there. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1982.95 1986.14 Okay now, well, how much time have we got left? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1986.14 1988.24 These clocks aren't uh synched. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1988.24 1993.12 Oh, now I've put uh well, it is twenty p Okay, so we have ten minutes or something? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1977.33 1982.95 M maybe we should really do this. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1979.61 1982.64 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1979.9 1980.63 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1987.16 1988.23 Yes. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1990.16 1990.84 Yeah, I'll 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 1992.98 1994.09 Something like that, yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1996.97 1997.42 I think. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1994.87 1996.97 Yeah, but we're uh we're done. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 1996.52 1997.96 Uh fifteen minutes. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2001.91 2002.83 Well, there is some oh. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 1999.65 2001.91 We've decided on the functions. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2005.29 2006.74 There is a closing sheet. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2008.04 2011.09 We have lunch break, and then we have thirty minutes of individual work. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2011.66 2011.81 Oh. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2013.2 2019.16 Oh okay, I'll make sure I'll I had some problems with uh the digitising the the first minutes 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2026.74 2029.07 I think these are more important than the first ones, so 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2019.16 2021.89 the the s the next minutes won't be a problem,
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2021.89 2026.74 but I'll try to make sure the first one will be in the folder too, but maybe it won't work, but you'll see. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2026.72 2027.81 We'll see. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2029.41 2031.72 Can you make an uh uh 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2032.95 2036.16 a part of f folder for the minutes maybe? 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2036.16 2039.52 That not not everything in one one uh folder. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2036.68 2037.93 Maarten, five minutes. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2061.98 2065.46 And then you you had to overwrite it or someth I don't know. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2049.89 2054.73 use for the other ones well, but uh I d think uh I forgot to do put done under the first one 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2039.48 2045.08 Yeah, because uh I I d I did uh the first minutes I did were were were a bit scratchy, you know. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2045.08 2049.89 Then I did a s second one with a nicer layout, which I could uh, know,
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2038.21 2039.48 Oh, five minutes. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2065.46 2067.17 Becau I d uh, it was not my uh pen. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2054.73 2061.98 and when you go write a second uh it's get it's not working when you try to write second uh paper or something. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2055.67 2056.03 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2059.38 2059.77 Maybe. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2060.46 2061.52 No, that's true uh, yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2067.64 2069.73 Should we by the way draw um 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2070.75 2071.9 this kind of looks you like. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2071.17 2076.58 on our nice whiteboard, um a little uh idea of yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2075.6 2076.17 Of the shape. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2077.23 2077.62 Or the sh 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2077.42 2078.71 Yeah, probably, it would be nice. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2084.46 2085.85 I don't, for one. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2078.41 2084.46 Has anyone got um a little bit detailed ideas about the shape? 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2077.87 2078.41 I dunno. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2081.78 2083.33 Do you get an idea of the shape? 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 2085.13 2086.31 Maybe like this pen. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2087.91 2089.56 A bit bigger I guess, but 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2088.63 2089.58 No, bigger. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2090.32 2091.52 A little bit bigger, yeah but 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2092.19 2093.92 The shape is nice, it's um 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2098.48 2098.67 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2095.11 2098.48 something different, and we want we want that. 
TS3008b H02 MTD030ID 2096.33 2098.13 It has to feel nice in your hand. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2103.21 2106.76 or I think some maybe we should no, that will be too costly. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2112.09 2115.52 you should like make Alessi or something design it. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2106.76 2112.09 We shou we could also, that was a would also be an idea, but I don't think it I don't know if it exists already 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2097.21 2103.21 Well, I I I have to say, I have this uh can opening remote control in my head most of all,
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2106.21 2107.91 Oh, uh look uh look at the pictures. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2115.95 2116.98 Okay, yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2117.14 2118.15 That would also be nice. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2119.17 2120.81 But that's gonna then you c then you don't 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2119.27 2121.73 Yeah, but twelve and a half Euros? 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2121.73 2122.77 Uh 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2127.71 2130.87 you know s was it's a single cost. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2121.92 2127.71 Yeah, but then you don't have t yeah it that's not something i that's in the production cost a one it's a one time 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2134.4 2142.09 because I've bought the Alessi stuff more often and even small pencil holders or something are more expensive. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2130.87 2134.4 Yeah, m but but then you can nah, I don't thin I think that it would be more expensive 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2129.41 2130.96 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2142.16 2143.44 Yeah, that's true. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2144.76 2146.08 Would be a nice idea though. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2147.16 2147.67 I don't know. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2147.67 2151.05 I think it uh has to be a r it has to have round forms or something. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2153.64 2155.81 Like something like that or so or so 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2155.69 2157.8 Something like that is very ergonomic. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2161.76 2162.58 It's also round. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2157.88 2161.76 And on th and then uh s a base unit underneath it. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2159.38 2159.72 So 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2164.44 2166.35 Put it in there uh wire on it. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2167.23 2168.42 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2167.8 2171.79 Maybe uh, I don't know, some some lights, a big but well. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2173.94 2176.64 Yeah, flash lights at the side. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2176.64 2178.07 At the side, or something like that. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2175.59 2176.98 Volume and programme, yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2176.96 2182.77 Yes, volume and programme should be there I guess, because you hands wi uh y your hands will be in the smaller part. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2180.23 2181.58 And some of the extra funct 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2185.33 2185.63 Numbers. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2182.78 2185.33 Some of the extra functions over here. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2183.13 2183.46 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2184.66 2186.94 Yeah, and the numbers on top, I guess. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2186.27 2186.64 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2186.83 2187.61 And and lights? 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2187.61 2193.36 How we're g well, maybe uh s a ring of no, no, you have to Maybe on the side of it. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2193.02 2195.4 Maybe ro roun rounds uh uh l sorry. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2195.31 2197.52 Just two LEDs or something on the side. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2194.48 2195.31 Yeah, side of it. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2197.52 2197.75 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2195.26 2197.19 Along the side uh strip of yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2197.19 2201.86 Maybe lights also around the volume and the p the plus minus programme buttons. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2203.88 2210.82 Yeah, but I also meant the the blinking li w you know, the ones that also blink when you try to uh uh locate your remote. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2204.87 2205.05 Oh. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2211.64 2211.92 Okay. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2212.83 2213.14 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2213.23 2213.44 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2214.96 2216.27 Well, theys have to be 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2214.98 2216.94 Well, uh probably at the side. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2218.04 2220.17 You know look at the front, but 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2219.42 2220.11 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2220.11 2220.57 Exactly. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2218.81 2219.42 Yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2220.57 2224.16 When you you see it from the side, then it would look just like that. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2225.08 2227.63 Yeah, exactly, and then there is yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2225.42 2225.96 And then you have 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2227.48 2229.32 a strip of uh lights or something. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2228.78 2230.56 Yeah, something like that, yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2228.94 2229.62 Okay, yeah. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2232.21 2234.16 Well, uh I think it's nice, for one thing. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2234.16 2238.94 maybe put something on top of it or, you know, like that's looks funny. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2238.94 2239.56 I don't know. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2237.16 2239.83 No. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2239.83 2240.44 No. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2241.03 2242.39 Or some bump. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2242.39 2243.94 Maybe some Yeah? 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2241.61 2244.44 I think I think that'll be too big tha too big then. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2245.33 2246.26 Bumper or something. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2246.75 2247.69 We'll have to think about it. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2247.69 2248.81 I think we're we're done. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2248.11 2248.23 Yeah. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2248.88 2249.23 Yeah. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2249.28 2250.26 Yes, we are. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2251.21 2252.33 We can save this one. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2251.32 2252.6 Alright. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2252.6 2253.96 Yes, I guess it's lunch time. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2251.44 2251.94 Lunch break. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2253.94 2254.58 Okay then. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2258.01 2260.69 Mm mm. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2261.18 2261.98 I don't know. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2264.08 2265.3 Half and hour? 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2265.3 2268.63 I thought our next uh next individual round was half an hour. 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2265.44 2267.12 Okay, five uh 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2268.84 2270.55 Yeah, that was what uh 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2269.73 2271.12 I don't know about the lunch break. 
TS3008b H00 MTD029PM 2271.64 2272.58 Mm, we'll hear about it. 
TS3008b H03 MTD032ME 2274.92 2275.21 Well 
TS3008b H01 MTD031UID 2282.01 2282.58 Oh. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 96.17 98.63 Welcome to the conceptual design meeting. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 94.69 96.17 Okay, all set? 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 96.26 96.8 Uh, okay. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 96.31 96.68 Yes. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 102.17 103.72 The opening. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 100.47 102.17 The agenda. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 103.72 113.13 I'll again be the secretary and make minutes, take minutes, uh and it will be three presentations, just like the last meeting. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 116.09 118.25 Technical uh designer again? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 113.13 116.09 So um, who wants to start off? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 118.25 118.51 Okay. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 117.46 117.99 Again. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 141.55 141.75 Hmm. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 149.94 152.57 but they're still not uh quite okay. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 142.06 142.8 Uh, yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 164.23 171.48 So But uh, from now on I won't use my pen anymore, so will be p just ordinary keyboard. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 159.21 164.23 because there are two documents that uh were layered over each other. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 142.8 149.94 Uh, before we begin it, I want to say I've I've put the minutes of the uh second meeting in the shared folder 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 152.57 159.21 It uh it uh still some technical difficulties so the the first part of the minutes are very hard to read 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 155.72 156.01 Mm-hmm. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 164.03 164.38 Okay. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 170.81 172.17 Uh, may be better, yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 172.77 172.98 Yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 172.03 172.77 Keyboard work. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 172.75 173.64 I think it will 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 174.72 177.3 will be more uh easy for you to read the minutes. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 176.15 176.45 Yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 177.77 178.24 Alright. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 179.25 182.7 Okay, when we talk about uh components design 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 182.7 191.38 um it's really about the material and the and uh uh really the stuff we build uh the remote controls of. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 201.28 212.68 We have to choose th uh these uh wisely and it could affect uh uh a kind of grow of in uh in buying uh the remote controls. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 192.95 201.28 Um, a remote control consist of uh components and the components of a remote control consist of uh properties and material. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 214.95 220.27 Um, the components of a remote control are of course uh the case. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 223.3 234.24 um it has to be solid uh in hard material like uh hard plastic uh with soft rubber for uh falling and and uh uh yeah 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 220.27 223.3 Uh the properties of the case 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 234.24 236.43 it feels uh good in your hand. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 243.38 249.66 Uh I've got a uh email from the possibilities of Real Reaction. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 237.56 243.38 Mm the buttons has to be uh solid too, and the material is soft rubber. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 250.81 251.36 Um 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 265.08 265.83 Mm 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 252.78 265.08 uh they're telling me that um when we build uh a remote control of um of plastic or rubber, the uh buttons have to be uh rubber too. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 268.36 268.76 It's okay. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 268.76 268.93 Yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 274.51 285.39 we must use a rubber push-buttons to uh the the rubber double-curved case is a is a t uh three-dimensional uh curve in the in the design 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 288.16 288.37 Uh 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 285.39 288.16 which is uh necessary when we want to be trendy. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 270.02 274.51 I when we use a rubbled a doubled curved case 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 290.23 290.81 Um 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 293.77 293.85 Oh. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 296.58 300.7 the energy source, uh I've got a lot of possibilities for that too. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 300.7 301.12 Um, 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 302.33 313.28 uh the basic battery, which I thi prefer because of its uh its non uh non-depending of of of uh um 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 314.52 320.33 Uh here you have to have a hand uh yeah, kinetic uh 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 321.66 322.69 energy. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 328.58 335.81 and then you push uh a button and so you don't have to uh walk with it all the all the time. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 322.69 328.58 Also in uh this one, like in the watches, but a remote control can lie on a table for a day 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 335.81 341.45 Mm, solar cells are also uh a bit weird for uh remote controls. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 343.09 343.66 Um 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 345.43 355.8 uh also the case material, uh I think that plastic is the is the best with rubber, because uh wood or titanium 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 356.89 358.44 would also be a bit weird. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 360.19 360.99 Oh titanium is 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 362.2 364.45 probably trendy, I think. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 365.68 366.84 That's true, I guess. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 366.84 367.07 Yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 368.15 369.51 Well, maybe a little bit expensive. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 372.23 372.68 I don't know. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 372.94 373.11 Huh. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 373.36 376.61 Uh, they don't tell anything about the cost of uh titanium. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 377.85 378.4 Um 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 386.3 391.46 Also, the speaker in the remote control, when we want to retrieve it. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 382.15 386.3 the chip uh the chip set uh and the board is uh all off the shelf. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 391.46 395.97 Um, the base station is also off the shelf, all the materials and the 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 397.4 400.3 components are uh just available in uh 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 401.55 404.4 in our uh factory. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 406.05 406.55 Mm, 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 414.31 424.09 Mm, the simple electronical chip uh is is available uh with the LED transmitter uh transmitter. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 424.09 433.01 Uh, it's all uh off the shelf and even the speaker and the wireless retriever are all uh available in our company. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 410.31 414.31 I've told about uh the three first points. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 435.9 436.55 I uh 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 434.06 435.9 Um, another possibility. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 437.83 443.2 yeah, I looked up on was uh the L. C. D. displays. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 443.2 444.11 Could be uh 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 445.13 451.73 something special to our uh remote control, and it's possible, but it only cost a bit more 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 451.73 456.05 but maybe it can be uh within the limits of twenty five Euros. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 457.37 458.13 Twelve and a half. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 459.02 459.41 Ah yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 459.27 459.75 Actually 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 459.29 459.54 Yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 459.8 461.54 Yeah, production cost. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 471.58 475.14 You see uh a covers, which can be 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 463.09 471.58 I th I got an email with uh some examples and it these were were the most trendiest one. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 476.27 478.7 What are those, t tooth uh brushes, or so 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 478.3 479.57 Um, I don't know. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 479.57 480.22 Um 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 481.77 490.52 But it's actually kind of uh well, it resembles the design I had in mind for this proj You know the the cartoonish Alessi kind of design. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 482.52 483.24 I 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 485.39 485.81 Yes. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 486.22 486.51 Yep. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 491.63 500.28 Yes, maybe we can uh bri uh bring a couple of uh couple of types of uh maybe a kind of uh whole uh 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 494.91 496.76 And we can we can steal their ideas. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 501.46 501.92 um 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 504.21 509.54 a whole set of uh different uh remote controls. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 509.54 512.13 Maybe we can bring a whole line uh with uh 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 509.92 510.11 Huh. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 513.36 516.3 with a huge variety of uh 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 517.62 519.01 Well, it's a possibility, too. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 519.57 525.81 Like uh maybe radios and uh television also uh in this in this in the same style, but 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 517.65 519.57 uh house uh stuff. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 518.28 519.41 Different colours also. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 522.33 522.62 Uh-uh. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 525.47 527.73 Yeah, that'll be for the future, I guess. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 526.23 526.58 Okay. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 527.83 530.79 Yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 528.16 535.54 Yes, because we have to uh we have to we have to bring the logo and all the stuff uh back into it. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 528.46 532.64 Next time we're here. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 530.57 531.41 Yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 533.9 534.55 Oh, okay. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 535.33 535.88 Yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 535.88 536.45 Definitely. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 540.22 540.57 Okay. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 540.35 541 Okay. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 540.38 541.86 Thank you. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 540.44 541.02 Alright. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 543.3 544.39 uh 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 545.66 546.16 That's okay. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 543.35 545.66 Yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 546.2 546.74 Ah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 560.87 563.19 Well, I shall go to the next slide. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 563.19 564.08 Um 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 570.66 576.49 I was thinking about just uh the basic functions and I got uh 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 565.66 570.66 um, I still don't have any information about user requirements. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 575.64 578.49 Oh, we decided upon that in the last meeting. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 579.94 586.01 Yeah, but but then wh I don't know when there are new user requirements. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 586.01 587.91 I ha I ha I have the I have 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 580.19 580.63 Didn't we? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 585.79 586.49 Oh, okay. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 586.49 594.2 Well, tha I didn't receive any new requirements or somethi Just no, but we decided to use only b basic functions only. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 589.9 590.37 nothing. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 594.04 597.2 Well, I have here a couple of basic functions I could think of. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 597.42 597.85 Okay. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 598.49 602.64 I dunno if they're maybe a little bit more, but 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 603.98 606.1 Well we maybe we can think of that later. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 606.1 609.79 W just these are the ones you already summed up in the 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 605.79 606.16 Yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 616.67 617.78 Um 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 609.34 616.67 Yeah, I I uh well, I pointed them out here, just to make it a little bit easier. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 614.12 614.41 Okay. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 630.16 639.58 Uh, I was also looking for what you said, for I got an email uh uh about uh L. C. D. in in in front of the remote control. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 624.79 628.11 Um, I don't know what costs of it. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 618.94 624.79 Another function uh is of course we already discuss it on the side. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 628.11 630.16 Uh, I've no idea about it. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 639.58 643.9 I don't know if that's a good idea, or maybe it's a little bit 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 645.13 647.36 too much for twelve and a half. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 649.45 651.84 If we got already uh something like a base. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 648.32 649.45 Production. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 648.33 648.69 Yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 649.09 649.42 Uh-huh. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 653.47 655.76 I don't know what kind of information it would 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 651.25 653.47 That might get redundant also maybe. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 655.3 657.36 I d I uh ju I was just thinking about it. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 659.4 659.66 But 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 657.36 659.4 Then I got a pop-ups to go to the meeting. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 654.47 655.3 Yeah, I don't know. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 655.57 655.98 Mm yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 658.04 658.92 Yeah, it's okay. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 657.56 658.04 Yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 658.28 670.15 Maybe we can bring t uh uh teletext to the t to the remote control. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 663.33 664.78 The remote control. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 664.78 669.22 a little uh too A little bit 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 663.79 670.31 Then you and then you've got a flag s Very big R. C. . 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 670.31 670.56 Yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 669.22 669.77 That's not 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 668.12 669.22 Okay. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 670.34 672.19 A little bit too big, I think. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 670.56 672.29 It was not a good idea. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 673.19 673.82 Exactly. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 674.84 675.22 Okay. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 680.97 687.94 It's it's just the base things we already discussed that the no V. C. R. or that kind of uh, so that's very easy. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 677.28 680.97 Well, the functions are are not more to discuss, I think. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 675.5 677.28 Um, yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 681.01 681.22 No. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 680.36 681.01 No. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 681.46 681.63 No. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 689.1 690.05 Um 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 689.63 692.77 But you do mention the next and previous uh button. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 694.43 695.79 Well, that's next channel. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 693.28 694.43 Mm-hmm. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 695.79 696.93 I mean next channel. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 696.93 697.15 Uh 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 694.12 695.5 Next channel, previous channel. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 695.56 697.24 Oh, okay, o okay okay. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 700.18 705.94 Um oh, I I got an email with with an uh a remote control with a base. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 705.94 708.24 So, it's uh just an idea. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 703.88 704.15 Huh. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 710.06 712.77 And I um 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 713.2 724.02 uh thinked of the button sizes and I'm not sure uh if they have to be big or uh just small 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 724.3 727.22 But you're the expert. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 724.74 726.13 I think it depends on the function. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 726.14 730.96 Well, I'm not a e I'm the expert for user-friendly, but not for trendiness. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 732.15 732.49 Mm-hmm. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 732.22 733.89 Maybe it 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 732.7 739.72 Well, if you save uh Perhaps uh s tiny buttons aren't user-friendly, then we wouldn't im implement that of course. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 750.05 750.63 Yeah, okay. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 741.25 747.7 Well uh okay, that's your point. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 747.7 750.05 Um, yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 751.9 754.72 Yeah, I've nothing to s 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 754.01 758.35 Well, w when we only use basic functions, we have the possibility to make the buttons larger. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 754.06 754.62 Oh, that's right. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 757.98 760.11 Uh, with a little bit larger, yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 760.11 763.54 I thought so, but maybe with the 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 758.7 758.9 Yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 772.47 778.45 Uh, I mean th th the the two two basic buttons, you know, the to skip channels and to uh 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 769.5 772.47 th th those two have yeah, they have to be large. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 763.56 769.5 Well, I think we already agreed upon the fact that the the the skip buttons and the cha and the volume buttons,
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 770.9 772.48 Yeah, that groups. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 772.48 772.82 Large? 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 776.6 776.96 Yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 777.61 777.84 Yep. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 785.66 790.37 it's uh acc acc um accentu uh, how do you say it? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 779.55 785.66 I think yeah, I don't know why, but I think that is that's t trendy too, because that's the mo it it you know,
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 782.9 785.3 Most the most used uh buttons. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 783.05 784.35 Those are probably the the th 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 791.43 801.41 It puts an extra accent on the the on the simplicity of our remotes to j to make these two most basic functions extra big, like t 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 795.31 795.6 Yes. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 797.02 797.22 Yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 796.33 797.02 True. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 801 807.17 Those are probably the b four most most used buttons on the th in the remote control. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 805.32 805.58 Yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 806.48 807.59 You did the research. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 806.79 808.81 And you want to acc accentuate that, you know. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 807.09 807.49 Yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 808.49 814.19 It's from your research. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 808.57 808.82 Sorry? 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 810.83 812.81 Yeah, sure. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 811.78 815.43 So 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 814.67 816.07 Okay. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 820.35 822.06 I didn't had any time left. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 822.06 829.35 So Yeah,. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 816.07 820.35 Uh, that was all y uh personal preference I didn't have. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 820.65 821.13 Okay. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 822.46 823.82 No uh, that's coo it's cool. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 825.44 827.39 No, sorry. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 824.85 825.44 You don't care. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 829.78 830.1 Yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 834.96 835.12 Oh. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 836.27 836.73 Go away. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 846.55 846.91 Come on. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 846.61 847.19 It's there. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 848.54 849.73 Yeah, click on it. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 852.7 853.71 Couple time. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 854 854.51 Oh, great. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 856.61 860.83 Well, I've done some research again about trends on the internet. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 862.84 867.95 Um I've done some investigation, and uh well 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 869.31 875.16 I uh got some information from fashion watchers from Paris and uh Milan. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 876.91 883.74 Some uh some findings the most important thing is fancy look and feel of the remote control. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 914.04 915.32 So we probably won't do that. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 892.59 896.34 Uh, our market really likes really likes that. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 910.8 914.04 Dark colours, simple recognisable shapes. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 904.93 910.8 And uh, well, for the idea, I've put some trends uh for the market of elderly people. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 896.34 904.93 And uh the third point there in this uh order if of importance, the third point, is a high ease of use. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 887.53 892.59 The second important thing is uh innovative technology in the R. C. . 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 883.74 887.53 Uh, well, we were going to imply that, so that's nice. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 938.18 939.79 I don't see the spongy part in it. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 916.49 931.13 The younger market likes uh Well, the themes of of this year are uh surprisingly fruits and vegetables and spongy material. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 931.13 938.18 I found this image, which is uh Well, it symbolises the idea of fruits and vegetables. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 939.79 942.14 But with a little bit of fancy 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 941.63 947.23 Well maybe c then we have to do something with Sponge Bob then. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 948.13 952.61 I got some ideas Uh well, yeah, pictures isn't really good word, but um 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 944.63 948.13 Exactly. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 969.49 973.5 No, I just put them there to uh, yeah, uh for general idea. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 954.16 956.91 some symbols of fruits or vegetables maybe. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 973.5 982.37 And uh, the docking st uh I think the spongy material is is very irritating for the uh remote control itself. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 962.23 966.09 So, remote controls in in catchy colours. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 958.87 962.23 Fruit is uh yellow, green, red, whatever. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 982.37 982.95 But to 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 956.91 958.87 Uh, catchy colours. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 966.09 969.49 Uh, no, we don't want dark colours. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 963.12 965.09 It doesn't stroke with the with the dark colours. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 968.96 969.35 Okay. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 967.91 968.96 Not the dark colours? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 973.16 973.49 Okay. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 984.19 989.76 Yeah, the To implement some spongy thing, maybe we can do it in the in the docking station. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 989.76 992.58 At the bottom of the docking station or whatever. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 992.58 1001.59 And uh, we could bring one line with a dark colour uh to um uh p uh yeah uh uh v how do you say? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1002.27 1004.1 For diversity or something. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1004.1 1004.28 Uh 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1012.66 1016.07 I mean it it it reaches a different market uh 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1003.76 1012.66 Yeah, also a bit for elderly people who are a little bit crazy and want maybe want a little younger design but still the dark colour. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1022.38 1022.61 Yes. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1016.07 1022.38 but it it it doesn't cost really much effort to b to uh bring uh like a black R. C. on the market or whatever. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1008.59 1009.48 Well, how uh 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1030.48 1031.95 Uh, make it a banana? 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1022.38 1030.48 But how do we use uh fruits and vegetables in Christ's sake with remote control? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1033.63 1035.01 It's like a pear or something. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1029.19 1033.63 No, but I I I think that uh our design already resembles so a piece of fruit. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1029.79 1031.11 Yeah, there's there's always a 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1033.64 1037.18 Well there there's always empty space of course on a remote control. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1048.42 1051.66 So you you can put some fruity things 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1037.18 1048.42 I mean I think this part of the R. C. uh well the upper the upper part or whatever is uh is not not used with buttons, I guess. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1042.28 1044.02 No, I don't think you have to do it like 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1060.52 1066.06 And so y I I think this y it already sem resembles uh something like a pear to me or something. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1051.05 1058.09 Yeah, but it that doesn't have to remind you, you know, like explicitly of s our f of a of a specific piece of fruit,
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1058.09 1060.52 but just, you know, like the the the the round curves. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1055.7 1056.64 No, of course not. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1061.71 1062.73 Especially i 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1064.49 1067.91 Yeah, but th yeah, but that 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1066.79 1067.44 Yeah, exactly. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1065.95 1066.79 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1068.86 1070.02 Yeah, but that's 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1068.92 1070.5 If we make it little bit greenish. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1069.17 1069.45 Yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1070.2 1071.17 You do get the idea, eh? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1071.17 1073.38 The fruity kind of round 'Kay. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1071.34 1072.43 Yeah uh uh 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1073.08 1077.93 A and we could use one of these for the uh w what is it? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1081.08 1083.6 Uh, this is a b yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1077.11 1081.08 Yeah, uh yeah, I don't know. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1079.05 1079.56 Grapes. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1079.26 1079.61 Uh 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1080.67 1081.07 Isn't 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1082.51 1083.19 Wha whatever. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1083.04 1090.68 But d don't we need a creative artist or something like that to m make it to feel like a a a a vegetable or fruit? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1087.41 1089.63 Of course we have uh 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1086.9 1087.41 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1088.76 1089.24 Yeah, sure. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1090.66 1090.85 Yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1090.92 1092.79 we have a very big uh the s 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1103.25 1110.55 And um, maybe, yeah, a b a banana is uh is n not easy for a remote control, but m yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1097.43 1099.46 This is then the uh pear. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1091.91 1097.43 Well, w we can uh w we can we can produce multiple uh multiple things. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1099.46 1103.25 I don't know the English word, so forget it. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1093.45 1096.42 For a big team of artists. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1094.8 1096.3 Of d design team, yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1100.07 1101.17 Yeah, but 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1101.91 1103.17 It's pear, I guess. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1104.86 1106.92 But uh but I think we don't have to make 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1110.81 1113.83 we can't make all uh ten designs. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1113.83 1116.02 We have to make one design I th I I think. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1110.86 1111.25 No. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1120.2 1123.43 Uh, it's it doesn't have to resemble uh what I already said,
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1127.57 1129.01 And it's it looks fruity to me. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1123.43 1127.57 a specific piece of fruit, but just, you know, like a fruity thing going on. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1116.4 1120.2 No, but I think it's it's already what we were were up to. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1117.28 1118.55 Mayb maybe two or three. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1119.5 1119.83 Yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1120.51 1120.78 Yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1125.13 1126.19 No sure, but but 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1127.34 1132.74 B but that's great, and and and what I was what what I was saying, the catchy colours 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1131.03 1136.57 And uh, but I do like the yeah, I do like uh the f uh to the idea of making a a y uh 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1136.57 1141.27 a catchy colour design and a d because I do I think a dark colour would be nice too. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1141.95 1142.15 Yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1141.99 1146.14 But pictures of fruit, vegetables vegetables 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1143.19 1144.4 Maybe it's too much, you know. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1152.67 1154.38 Yellow, a Real Reaction. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1144.11 1152.67 But, we we have to um There have to be the the the the firm colours, our own uh colours has to be in it. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1144.24 1145.73 Yeah, uh not really. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1145.73 1147.87 Pictures was a was a bad word, but 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1150.08 1152.21 Okay, but what are the This is yellow. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1151.67 1152.8 Well we c yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1153.88 1156.03 Yes, you can put a logo on top of it. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1156.4 1156.93 Yeah, sure. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1156.41 1159.55 But I don't think our our company colours are this fashionable. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1157.26 1157.83 Uh, yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1166.49 1170.73 If this is our docking station, we can make our logo over here. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1172.15 1172.55 And then 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1163.95 1166.49 I can't draw with this thing, but I'll try. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1170.73 1172.15 It doesn't work. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1160.22 1163.95 Maybe we can if if we got our docking station over here. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1160.78 1162.25 We uh f 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1160.9 1163.24 Yes, it's really fruity. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1166.34 1167.17 A yellow do 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1169.03 1169.29 Uh, yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1173.18 1174.09 Yeah, and the button then. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1174.2 1175.32 With a strawberry on top. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1175.16 1177.6 Yeah, on uh n uh on the bottom of the remote you can do 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1175.58 1179.19 Well, the button button over here or whatever, I don't know. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1178.86 1179.83 Okay, yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1181.02 1183.31 On the front, of course, because else you can't find it. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1185.08 1185.43 Okay. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1185.35 1187.55 Well, that were my ideas a little bit. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1190.42 1192.33 Um, go away. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1188.78 1190.42 I'll close 'em down. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1189.02 1189.68 Okay. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1194.7 1197.83 Okay, you can you open the conceptual design presentation? 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1196.9 1198.33 Conceptual design, yes. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1199.09 1200.58 See what was on the agenda. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1201.57 1203.76 Lazy. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1203.5 1204.33 The agenda. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1211.05 1216.52 but I don't think it's there uh, yeah um, do we want to um use an L. C. D. display, for example? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1206.24 1211.05 Because um, maybe we can start with the technical uh functions,
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1204.89 1206.24 This is his own remote. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1206.9 1207.27 Yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1219.18 1221.65 But I don't I don't know what to display on it. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1221.65 1222.19 I mean 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1217.64 1219.18 Well, it's nice, of course. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1218.65 1219.53 Only if we 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1221.59 1223.08 Me neither. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1221.63 1225.67 Maybe maybe we can make a T. V. guide on it, for the channel you're on. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1226.81 1230.91 Yeah, but it should be li like this big, and I don't think 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1227.29 1228.39 Yeah, but it's so 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1235.96 1239.32 You can uh zap through them with the page up page down button. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1230.15 1235.96 No, no, only the T. V. channel with the with uh with uh four programmes. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1230.7 1231.96 I don't think we should do it. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1249.81 1250.21 because 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1239.85 1240.21 Yes sure 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1240.21 1249.81 but it it has to to show an entire title of a programme or at least a q a quite quite large part of it and then you get a very large L. C. D. screen 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1246.34 1247.17 Yes, it can 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1248.17 1248.65 On your 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1253.19 1254.54 So why not on your remote? 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1249.45 1253.19 No, on your mobile phone you can y you can read text also. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1257.5 1259.9 I do I think it's a bit redundant, actually. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1259.9 1264.75 And it's also not I don't th even think it it looks s like sexy or something, it's 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1255.66 1257.5 Yeah, but no. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1257.38 1258 Yeah, I don't know. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1263.53 1265.51 Well well what would you display on it then? 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1266.08 1270.18 Uh, programme uh information or or or or g or a guide 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1267.71 1268.72 Programme information. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1268.72 1269.04 But 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1268.55 1272.65 But is it isn't that a already on T. V., a lot of new T. V. s? 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1273.04 1274.63 Also on the internet. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1271.54 1273.04 on t on teletext, yes. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1274.63 1274.89 But 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1273.83 1278.41 Well a lot a lot of T. V. s indeed show uh when you uh zap to a 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1277.08 1280.18 But you're already watching the T. V., you're not gonna watch your remote control. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1277.86 1278.24 Yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1280.11 1282.09 Yes, but you also want to know what's next. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1282.9 1288.33 But then we also uh w need to bring out a line of T. V. s which we were planning to, but whatever. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1288.33 1293.75 Because the T. V. has to send information back to the R. C., and I don't know if that's possible. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1286.97 1288.59 Yeah, and we also have to yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1293.04 1298 Yes, that's uh really possible. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1295.78 1301.8 Yes, yes, o of course it's possible, but you gotta uh implement it in the T. V. s 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1301.8 1308.91 and I don't think everyone's gonna buy a Real Reaction T. V. within a month after the release of our uh remote control. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1308.51 1309.36 And I also 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1312.89 1320.99 but I I really don't think it's a good n goo because it also doesn't stroke with we wanted uh c When we talk about the materials 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1308.52 1312.89 I really understand you want to make your job more exciting by putting an L. C. D. in it 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1332.77 1337.23 You know, it's like more vulnerable, and it adds nothing really, you know. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1329.93 1332.77 But I don't think a L. C. D. display fits in that image. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1325.33 1329.93 It was our idea, you know, to give it a more sturdy look and that you ca like you can throw with it. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1320.99 1325.33 uh it's a good idea to use these plastic materials with soft rubber stuff on it. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1328.05 1328.24 Yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1335.91 1342.16 That's true, that's true, it breaks f yeah, it it it's not very solid, it's uh frag fragile. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1341.05 1341.46 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1341.46 1346.96 You could make it, but it's just it it doesn't I don't think it it's coherent with the design we're after. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1347.29 1347.9 No. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1347.9 1349.2 I don't think so ei either. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1346.52 1347.29 No. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1351.2 1353.04 Well, you you y Okay, we can vote for it. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1355.29 1359.95 I don't want to and he doesn't, so it's up to him. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1353.04 1355.29 You want the L. C. D. display. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1349.76 1351.2 But that's my opinion. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1359.95 1360.92 If we wanna 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1354.71 1355.02 No. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1359.57 1361.57 Ah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1360.04 1360.92 Yeah, I dunno. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1362.29 1366.87 And I've read somewhere that I've got some kind of veto veto uh rights. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1366.8 1368.42 Oh, okay. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1367.62 1370.92 Bastard. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1368.5 1370.23 So I can also say 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1370.7 1371.85 We can you away. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1371.35 1375.45 But did we skip the Yeah, you could do m but what what i so what i but do you think we should 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1373.13 1375.13 Yeah, I don't know. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1375.13 1377.81 Uh, uh I i if it's it's a simple p 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1377.34 1380.21 We're not even sure what what information we want to display on it. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1380.21 1380.53 So 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1379.64 1387.17 No, that that's right, and uh I also have to think about new functions, maybe buttons or something like that to control it. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1387.17 1389.05 Kind of L. C. D. or something or 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1379.89 1381.33 No uh um 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1388.85 1397.24 Y yes, you can use uh buttons uh uh w that are already uh on the remote control for double functions. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1390.15 1390.65 Yeah, I guess. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1397.6 1401 W when I go to the second channel, what what does it show me? 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1395.68 1397.6 But how does it display then? 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1398.1 1399.66 Uh, then you push a button. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1401.89 1405.38 The title and the information about the programme. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1405.38 1412.88 But but uh yeah, what he said was right, about the televisions, they have to be uh customised to the 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1405.2 1406.07 About that programme? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1412.28 1413.48 Nah, that's not gonna work. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1414.01 1418.26 But maybe in future it will be a giant hit, and when you are the first 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1414.12 1414.29 No. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1415.46 1415.86 Yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1419.06 1420.72 you have the biggest uh 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1430.83 1432.12 So it's that that's what I've seen. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1420.93 1425.6 Do you know th like the the bigger rem uh universal remotes, they have d L. C. D. displays 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1419.07 1420.93 Oh, well uh I've seen it done before. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1425.6 1430.83 but then it's very functional to indicate which what uh uh device you are controlling. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1420.95 1421.32 Yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1432.55 1434.43 Yeah, that's true, if you uh Yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1437.68 1439.58 But uh I haven't thought about it. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1432.8 1437.68 Yes, you can put uh a little L. C. D. display on it with uh with lots of information. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1437.61 1442.24 But it just it j it doesn't doesn't match with the our whole basic concept. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1441.73 1446.95 But whe but when you put a a a transparent uh plastic uh 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1448.13 1450.92 uh screen on top of it, it i it isn't vulnerable. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1450.92 1451.95 You can throw with it and 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1451.75 1453.7 That's maybe not the most important, but it's just 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1450.77 1451.75 Well yeah, yeah, okay. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1453.67 1454.42 Is it fashion? 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1454.76 1465.17 When when you put uh maybe a colour L. C. D. t uh screen on it, it's very special and very trendy to have uh a remote control from 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1455.04 1455.86 I don't think so. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1469.89 1472.25 Because our our motto is we put fashion 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1463.85 1469.89 That's up to market if i if it's trendy. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1461.96 1463.12 I don't know. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1463.12 1463.85 That's not up to you. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1466.23 1470.72 Yeah, well do you ha do you have to You haven't looked after the trendiness of L. C. D. displays, have you? 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1467.42 1468.43 No. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1489.37 1492.76 But I don't think Uh, I think it will be too expensive. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1478.45 1485.3 but I think uh we gotta build a b pretty cheap design to to stay within our limits. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1470.07 1472.9 Well, I think it's uh I think it's pretty trendy, to be honest,
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1485.3 1489.37 And I think uh especially colour L. C. D., which is indeed pretty trendy. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1472.9 1478.45 uh but um I don't know if if if well, I'm coming back to the costs again 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1503.06 1504.91 So why don't we use it. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1499.65 1503.06 And L. C. D. was a possibility for the remote control. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1493.79 1499.65 But uh I've got a the email with uh with the possibilities. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1502.19 1502.71 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1505.91 1512.22 Uh, did it say a price also uh for for uh monogramme uh L. C. D. or uh coloured L. C. D. ? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1506.01 1507.09 Yeah, but we're gonna if it 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1512.72 1515.02 Yeah, if you want to be trendy you have to be coloured. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1515.02 1515.6 Coloured 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1516.73 1518.78 Yeah really, if y if you c i 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1517.66 1520.76 If you have black and white or something, or grey, that's 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1526.79 1528.32 Really. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1519.97 1526.79 I in in two thousand and four you can't uh put something on the market which is a monogramme. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1520.25 1521.91 Then uh then you better don't yeah, d 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1527.91 1533.48 No, but it doesn't sa say anything about a colour or But, mm, 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1538.74 1538.95 But 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1534.78 1538.74 I alf I also got a possibility to put uh a scroll button on it. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1546.58 1548.71 I don't know how well how to with you guys, but 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1540.01 1542.97 Uh uh I really don't feel the whole idea of an L. C. D. display. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1542.97 1544.42 I'm sorry. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1544.42 1546.58 It can't co you cannot convince me. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1540.21 1543.07 I didn't think that 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1557.5 1563.66 and want and it uh uh, do it has to be a simple design, which sturdy, which soft 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1550.39 1551.21 I don't really feel it. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1551.21 1557.5 We already we're uh Yeah, we already have the the th th th base station gadgets,
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1552.68 1557.47 It's too much uh maybe uh with with the L. C. D. and the docking station and 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1554.66 1554.91 Yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1561.19 1562.54 Yes, but o on the 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1564.3 1565.12 And I think 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1561.87 1564.3 W we've we've gotta find a balance, of course. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1565.16 1567.41 Not a whole package of specialty. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1562.83 1565.16 With one thing special. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1565.76 1566.43 I don't think 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1578.7 1580.7 Y we want to it's simplicity,
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1575.19 1578.7 Uh, I think it's slicker to have no L. CEDs. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1580.7 1586.57 w you have two big buttons and you can do whatever you want with these two buttons, so you don't need an L. C. D. . 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1567.66 1575.19 I j uh, and really, I don't see how the the L. C. D. display is gonna add anything, you know, on a design level. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1575.88 1577.24 No, when y 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1579.67 1580.57 But it look 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1583.83 1588.28 Yes, but that remote controls are already on the market. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1588.28 1589.38 The simple 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1587.54 1591.6 It doesn't fit in our philosophy uh behind the whole remote. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1592.15 1595.47 Yes, but but when you want to have something special 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1595.58 1598.71 Yeah, but we already have the docking station, which is 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1597.84 1602 Yes, but you had a picture of it from another company. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1598.77 1599.61 We have a pear. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1599.18 1600.2 And uh the 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1602.15 1609.74 It has to be developed, but no, but it that's that's our that's our killer feature. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1609.74 1611.74 That's our what makes it special. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1602.36 1605.8 Yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1607.96 1609.81 It's just an it's just an idea. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1609.81 1610.98 It's a it's 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1610.25 1612.17 Yes, it was already made. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1612.17 1614.33 Tha the remote control on the docking station. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1612.87 1615.85 Yeah, we're gonna develop our own r n docking station. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1612.97 1613.29 True. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1615.59 1617.83 Was it it wasn't just a prototype? 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1614.91 1615.59 Is that so? 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1615.93 1617.36 Yes, he have a picture of it. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1616.25 1617.44 Well uh I uh 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1618.39 1619.82 Yeah, I dunno. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1620.65 1622.62 Exactly, I've never seen it in a store. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1623.66 1628.74 I re I know you I I I I I get the idea you really like it, you know,
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1622.01 1623.66 Uh, but re we really have to cut this off,
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1635.39 1637.82 I don't uh, do you guys agre How do you guys think? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1637.82 1638.05 I d 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1628.74 1635.39 the the L. C. D. thing, but I I think it's it's not a good idea, and we have already mentioned all the arguments. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1638.08 1639.03 No, it's too much. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1639.21 1640.71 I think it's a little too much, yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1641.1 1641.78 It's overdone. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1646.75 1654.8 I'm sorry, maybe you can do something if we are at your own place, or make it make it make it happen in your basement or something. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1642.19 1646.75 Okay, we s skip the L. C. D. display. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1643.94 1644.23 Okay. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1645.09 1646.48 Okay. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1647.04 1648.17 Democratically. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1648.08 1648.86 No. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1652.37 1654.77 Mayb 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1655.95 1659.82 I will rule the world with it. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1656.29 1656.62 But 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1657.49 1659.47 Probably so. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1661.2 1666.82 The m material, I think uh it was a good idea to use the plastic and uh the rubber. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1659.47 1660.21 Okay. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1660.21 1661.2 But for the technical part. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1666.82 1667.15 Uh 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1658.16 1658.98 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1666.6 1669.03 Yes, maybe a bit of a cushion is 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1682.72 1685.42 You can st throw it at your little brother's head. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1677.65 1682.72 know, like Yeah, that is y the b airbag kind of thing. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1670.52 1674.22 This is what it w Yeah, but it it was already what we're uh we're after,
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1669.32 1670.52 Yeah yeah yeah, p Exactly. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1674.22 1677.65 you know, to give it uh, you know, the soft touch in your hands and also to,
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1673.24 1673.41 Yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1670.57 1673.24 Yeah, for the spongy uh feel. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1672.2 1672.58 Yes. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1672.75 1674.05 With a spongy Bob feel. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1676.48 1676.79 Yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1681.47 1682.66 Like a b yes. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1682.77 1683.87 Yeah, airbag. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1684.4 1684.7 Yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1682.81 1684.4 Yeah, you just can drop it. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1684.81 1687.77 If you drop it if you drop it the airbag comes out, yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1687.36 1689.06 Yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1688.15 1689.27 No no no, not that comfy. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1687.48 1688.15 Yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1688.99 1697.22 Maybe it but then we have to look that it uh w uh will not um be too childish to see. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1697.94 1698.34 Yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1699.74 1703.87 And that's why I like the dark t col dark colour bit, you know,
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1697.07 1697.94 Yeah yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1703.87 1708.83 because it may be the design uh, it's uh maybe it is a bit of the 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1698.34 1699.74 Okay, that's a that's a good point. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1703.72 1703.88 Yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1708.37 1710.03 But not black I think. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1710.07 1714.49 it's a bit nineties maybe, what we're what we're up to rat fun to this point. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1710.85 1711.43 No. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1713.83 1716.82 Well if if it's fruit and vegetables, it have to be colourful. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1717.25 1720.79 Yeah, that's that's true, but but it has to be a little big solid. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1720.79 1725.32 It mustn't be too, n you know, th too overwhelming, then when you put it on your just 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1717.54 1719.98 Yeah, b yeah, that's what w I I was pointing at. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1718.27 1719.64 But can we ge uh uh 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1726.34 1728.16 Uh with uh yellow and black? 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1724.57 1726.34 Can we combine it or something? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1726.55 1726.91 Yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1728.55 1729.63 Yeah, maybe so. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1729.98 1730.6 Make it a bee? 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1731.74 1732.78 What? 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1732.78 1733.75 Oh, a bee. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1733.75 1734.2 Oh. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1732.23 1734.4 A bee. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1734.44 1737.57 No, uh I don't like the yellow and black combination. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1739.38 1740.21 Apparently. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1737.57 1739.38 But it is our company colours. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1739.3 1743.72 Yes, real real good colours. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1742.31 1744.79 We we have to use yellow. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1739.7 1742.31 Yeah, it's our yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1741.95 1744.72 Yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1745.71 1745.98 Hmm. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1747 1747.74 Hmm. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1747.77 1749.83 I don't like yellow, and uh maybe I don't know. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1749.19 1750.5 Well, we can as as I 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1750.95 1752.31 But that's not really fruity. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1751.81 1754.3 draw really nicely over there. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1759.55 1763.02 And maybe very very tiny on the remote control itself. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1763.02 1763.79 But, i 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1757.93 1759.55 Uh, yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1754.3 1757.93 We can put the logo on our uh on our base station. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1760.02 1760.3 But 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1764.91 1768.17 Okay, but what uh, what are other tef technical things we have to discuss? 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1768.78 1769.68 Uh fronts 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1770.76 1771.41 of the 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1772.51 1776.84 We can have uh different uh uh fronts of the 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1778.58 1779.7 I don't think you we should do that. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1788.06 1791.3 People don't wanna spend more money on their remote control, I guess. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1779.7 1788.06 Maybe just bring it out in different colours, but not af that you can switch fronts afterwards, that's also too much. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1777.43 1778.58 Should we do that? 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1777.88 1778.48 telephone. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1780.99 1782.02 Different fronts. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1782.38 1783.74 Yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1783.74 1785.06 I guess that's that's enough. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1788.07 1789.12 That's way too Nokia. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1789.71 1790.1 Yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1791.14 1796.53 Uh, you can you can l uh let choose the customer which colour he wants, yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1796.53 1801.48 Yeah, Three three or four uh four uh colours, or something like that. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1792.52 1793.46 Are these designs? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1795.27 1795.92 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1795.87 1797.58 Yeah, definitely. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1797.58 1799.29 Just bring more designs on the market. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1800.19 1801.74 But uh, without gon uh okay. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1801.74 1803.96 So, are we through the technical part then? 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1800.36 1801.35 Why not, yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1804.59 1804.88 Yes. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1805.19 1806.2 Okay. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1806.2 1812.25 So we uh agreed upon uh n uh well, not u unanimously or how you call it, but Yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1809.33 1814.15 It this a real uh young young and dynamic uh uh styles. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1809.61 1810.31 Well, yeah, the 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1811.16 1812.43 Three to one. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1812.43 1813.01 That's 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1818.88 1823.39 O o only only the last point your no titanium's not not out of question, I guess. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1813.97 1818.88 The materials you uh mentioned in your your personal preferences were all were quite okay. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1815.45 1816.57 Yes. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1818.89 1822.24 And tita uh titanium, is uh is is it a no? 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1822.24 1822.48 Is 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1818.92 1820.63 Yes, 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1823.19 1824.03 But also w 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1823.23 1825.25 It's just like that, th this titanium. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1826.2 1828.97 Yes, b bu but when we use s soft 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1827.56 1834.68 But is it possible to use both the the plastic and so uh soft things and t p titanium, as well? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1834.68 1837.24 Makes it in a homogeneous uh design. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1829.82 1830.11 mm 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1833.81 1834.08 Sure. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1834.72 1835.12 Mm. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1835.34 1837.15 No, not all, not all of them. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1837.5 1840.03 But it it then it uh you can't throw it it. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1840.03 1844.93 It will uh make a huge noise or break other stuff 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1850.85 1851.28 No uh, 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1845.67 1850.85 when you throw with uh titanium with your remote control. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1845.68 1850.26 It will it will break other stuff w when it's plastic, as well. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1852.11 1852.57 Yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1855.96 1858.16 But also on the colours, the young 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1852.36 1855.96 titanium is a bit uh it's a bit harder. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1852.81 1853.5 Yeah, that's true. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1853.99 1855.65 No, but uh uh, you should ma Yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1863.28 1863.92 More chic? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1857.55 1861.27 Okay, think of the possibilities and make it in completely titanium. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1861.27 1863.28 Well would it be more trendy? 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1865.56 1866.98 Yeah, I think it I think it does. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1866.14 1870.53 Uh, I think titanium nowadays is way more often used than plastic. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1871.27 1877.91 Yes, but a titanium remote control, when you're uh watching T. V. uh or your hands are a little bit sweaty, and the 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1871.77 1872.54 In trendy things. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1876.01 1876.29 Yeah, o 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1877.83 1882.1 On the other hand, if you want to make fruit fruity stuff with uh 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1879.08 1879.45 Yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1880.25 1882.99 It's cold in the winter. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1881.38 1883.22 Yes. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1887.3 1893.64 is is it fits in our s philosophy to make it uh sturdy and simple and uh, know, like uh 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1885.49 1887.3 But the question is i then it's, you know,
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1881.76 1885.49 Yeah, but I I really like the idea of the the the plastic and the big kind of thing. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1885.32 1885.69 Yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1887.7 1888.87 Yeah, that's true, that's true. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1895.61 1896.18 Define. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1894.17 1895.61 Sports and gaming. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1895.52 1900.54 When you make it titanium, it becomes more like some kind of gadget you actually don't need. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1905.72 1908.24 It's always fun to have something big and plastic around. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1900.54 1905.72 And when it's big and plastic, it's like some fun stuff you can always have around. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1907.61 1908 Yes. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1908 1908.19 Yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1907.88 1911.76 You have that uh M. P. three player of Nike, I saw. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1911.76 1913.88 Isn't that titanium with a little bit of rubber? 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1914.27 1916.98 Yes, it's w but it is uh plastic. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1915.27 1915.67 Isn't it 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1918.78 1920.03 Well, it's titanium looking. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1917.72 1918.78 Is plastic? 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1920.29 1922.82 Yes, w we can do that on the on the 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1920.66 1920.86 What? 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1926.42 1930.61 'Kay, uh that that's very uh with rubber, so it's very 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1922.92 1926.42 Uh, the I don't know if you know the M. P. three player of Nike. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1922.29 1922.92 Here he is. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1921.77 1922.29 Yeah, he is. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1927.3 1927.84 Okay, yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1926.86 1927.3 Oh, yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1928.96 1930.57 Yeah, that's beautiful. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1929.35 1930.28 Yeah, I see. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1933.15 1935.46 Uh, this is uh just a 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1931.37 1933.15 We can make this as a style too. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1931.5 1932.42 Yeah, but but but 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1932.2 1932.49 rough. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1934.55 1936.15 Oh, maybe th maybe this is an 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1934.62 1943.8 Yeah, I th I think that's difficult, because uh that's different material, and then you gotta have like uh uh uh two material lines of of of 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1942.56 1945.67 No, we c we can make it from the same kind of plastic. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1946.69 1953.28 Yeah, if it's just a colour uh which you uh which you change then, I guess it's it's nice to have one of these. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1954.51 1955.16 Uh 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1954.56 1955.18 Uh 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1961.6 1964.22 You know, like the the soft stuff, but I don't know if it's possible. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1954.58 1961.6 No, I do like the idea of maybe a t titanium kind type of body w and then with s plastic colouration around it. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1961.76 1961.96 Yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1964.97 1966.39 I don't have the information. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1966.39 1968.08 Uh, I I didn't got it 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1968.46 1972.24 But you can't make the plastic give uh the ti titanium look. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1972.24 1974.2 But make it just like shiny. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1974.2 1975.13 Maybe we should uh shou 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1971.66 1972.36 True. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1971.67 1972.08 Yes. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1972.49 1972.73 Mm-hmm. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1973.18 1975.07 Yeah yeah, true. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1975.07 1977.46 Yeah, maybe that's good idea, yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1977.46 1983 But if you want to la uh yeah, last longer than two weeks or something like that, you can maybe 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1974.31 1975.79 Like the M. P. three player. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 1980.75 1981.1 Yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1981.95 1982.35 And uh and 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1984.19 1988.46 maybe we sh should we t I don't know if we should talk about uh, how how much time have we got left? 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1987.62 1989.25 Uh, in a lot of other uh 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1989.31 1989.65 I don't know. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 1989.65 1990.31 What time does 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 1989.99 1990.71 Forty minutes. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1997.4 2003.69 Uh, they began with uh t typical uh leather bags, but then they became stylish,
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 2003.69 2012.35 with all all si all sort of colours, and w kind of fon of uh of fronts, like we can use on the telephone and it 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 1991.11 1997.4 in a lot of other product uh categories like uh even in b in bags industry. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2006.56 2006.76 Yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2009.71 2010.15 Okay. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 2013.4 2020.51 Like Eastpack uh began a revolution with it with all this uh kind of bags and and colours and and 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2019.28 2021.3 You putting in different colours. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 2021.75 2023.68 Yes, and and styles. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 2023.68 2028.75 They have uh also uh a kind of uh um 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2023 2023.41 Okay. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 2030.07 2032.18 uh roses on it, a and uh 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2031.54 2032.8 Uh yeah, yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2037.92 2039.55 But, let's think about the bas 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2032.86 2036.25 Yeah, but w yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2032.07 2032.86 Okay. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2036.25 2036.82 Well, it is. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2036.82 2037.92 It's a possibility. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 2038.91 2048.32 Then we can always uh use the same design for a greater resemblance, but with new uh with new colours, new yes. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2044.9 2045.22 Yes. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2046.98 2048.3 New prints on it. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2048.3 2048.48 Yep. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2049.03 2054.8 But wha th our basic idea y I mean, you gonna we're probably gonna have like two type of materials 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2066.36 2073.77 like the the plastic mould is in in one colour and the s the cushion pads around it are in another colour? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2054.8 2059.07 like the d d b the plastic uh enclosure and then the the pads that surround it. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2074.44 2075.26 Is that a good idea? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2062.12 2066.36 But, uh do w gonna gonna are we going to give it a two-tone colour look 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2059.07 2060.17 And and pro and lights. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2073.77 2074.44 Is that the idea? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2047.75 2049.03 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2060.17 2062.12 We have to incorporate the lights too. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2076.21 2076.66 How do you mean? 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2076.66 2079.5 Th th the uh base in a in another 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2077.82 2078.32 The rubber. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2085.06 2086.21 Like two-tone colour? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2083.66 2085.06 How many colours are we gonna give it? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2086.21 2086.32 T 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2078.23 2083.66 How many colours are we how many colours are we gonna we're uh uh f uh f Only five minutes left, by the way. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2083.29 2083.51 Yes. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 2089.17 2094.5 You have the buttons, the the case uh itself, and the rubber and th 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 2085.36 2089.17 There there are three uh components three components type. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2086.25 2086.62 Yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2086.62 2088.19 Uh no, not too much I think. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2091.04 2091.83 How the buttons yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2092.66 2100.03 I think maybe the case itself should be in one colour and then the rubber of the buttons, and the cushions as well should be in another colour. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 2098.04 2098.51 Yes. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2099.69 2107.41 Or you just make uh one colour, uh maybe with a a z a kind of like a big wave or something like uh 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2100.21 2100.39 Yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2111.85 2114.44 Maybe we should talk about it on a l in a later meeting. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2107.98 2111.85 Okay, but not more than Well, yeah, it's No. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2108.48 2109.86 In in another colour. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2109.86 2111.14 Not more than two colours I think. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2111.14 2113.17 It's a g a little bit too flashy. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2111.13 2112.27 No, definitely not. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2113.48 2114.48 Yes, definitely. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 2113.55 2119.6 Yeah, or or when you use the buttons as black, it you can use two colours as well uh 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2122.57 2124.94 Uh oh yeah, the the functionalities of the the buttons. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2119.77 2122.57 But we have to uh think of some other uh important things. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2119.1 2119.77 Okay. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2124.1 2128.71 The funct yeah, I was I was thinking about th the st do we still want a joystick idea. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2128.67 2129.11 No. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2129.5 2131.23 No, I think that's too vulnerable. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2131.19 2131.52 Yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2134.19 2135.35 Then we have the numbers. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2136.96 2138.81 We have we have a teletext button. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2135.35 2136.96 We have the power button. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2131.64 2134.19 I think this is okay, the so we have the basic. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2137.5 2140.34 The volume, teletext and 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2139.91 2143.44 And maybe want to access a a menu or something. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2143.44 2144.67 Most T. V. s have a menu. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2143.23 2146.48 Yeah, but that's that's I was thinking that's gotta be on the television. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2149.75 2151.33 That's just i the only button only 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2147.1 2149.75 Yeah, but I think you ha I really need a menu button. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2147.58 2148.79 Yeah yeah yeah yeah, b 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2150.4 2152.56 Yeah, but wha what kind of menu? 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2152.56 2155.14 Is uh isn't that different from every television? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2152.29 2153.03 You know, I 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2160.63 2161.06 And so 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2155.06 2160.63 No, I think most T. V. s have an uh a menu nowadays to access the uh uh screen settings. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2157.33 2158.56 Yeah, if it's c if 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2156.44 2157.33 Mm. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2160.71 2166.13 Yeah, I think it's okay to to add a menu button for uh and if the T. V. doesn't have a menu, then 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2166.37 2167.53 It covers everything then. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2163.78 2166.37 But that that covers all the all the other settings. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 2167.67 2171.14 But then you have to put uh up and down and uh left and right 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2167.82 2168 Yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2170.57 2174.04 Yeah, you can put that on the two eight four and six or whatever. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2170.79 2172.07 No, you can use the 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2187.07 2189.98 It's all we need. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2189.98 2195.9 Okay, uh another stuf some stuff about the the the design of the docking station. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2184.92 2187.07 A teletext and a menu, and then then i that's it. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2173.42 2176.19 And you al can also use the normal skip buttons for that. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2195.9 2200.35 Something important about a s uh, no, uh which sh uh should remind us of the remote itself, I guess. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2176.19 2184.92 Th in that way we have like only the numbers, the power button, skip and volume, and then uh uh ten uh rem uh yeah, mute. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 2174.69 2175.23 Okay. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2176.66 2177.23 Mm, yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2183.01 2185.71 A mute and a teletext and a menu. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2184.19 2184.51 Mute. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2186.67 2187.21 That's all. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2188.79 2189.14 Yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2188.8 2188.94 Hmm. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2190.08 2190.75 Great. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2190.75 2191.5 Yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2192.88 2193.42 So 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2191.14 2192.88 Okay, that's not mu not much functions. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2202.58 2205.73 Are we gonna do something with the uh spongy thing there? 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2201.08 2202.58 Yeah, definitely. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2203.23 2203.92 Just use 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2201.82 2203.23 Uh, in one colour. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2212.75 2215.21 And we will make it spongy and and uh and uh well,
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2219.44 2221.03 Just round shapes with uh 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2206.28 2212.75 I think the spongy thing already um comes forward in the in the in the cushions, pads and things on the s uh side. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2215.21 2219.44 the fruity thing is just the shape should be fru i did I think this is kind of fruity, you know. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 2206.82 2207.31 Uh 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2211.55 2213.16 Yeah, that's true, that's true. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2220.96 2226.33 Yeah, it's kinda fruity, and with th with catchy colours uh uh w 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2222.11 2229.91 Yeah, but we're gonna have to we really have to think I think colours is very important, because it has to be flashy,
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2229.91 2234.44 but and but it d it doesn't have to be annoying, that when you uh, know, some things is just over the top,
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2234.44 2239 and when you have it on your table for more than two weeks, you it just gets annoying, because it's so big and flashy. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2239 2244.96 Uh, it has to be some level of subtlety, but we have to still have to think of how we manage to uh 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2234.81 2235.63 Yeah, definitely. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2246.08 2246.66 to get to that. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2246.21 2246.46 Yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2248.31 2249.21 Okay. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2249.21 2250.07 Guess we're through then. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2249.02 2249.28 Okay. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2251.03 2251.6 I guess so. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2251.07 2251.48 Okay. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2255.15 2257.89 I I think we have to keep the dark colour thing in mind. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2251.88 2255.15 But we I think also we just so we have to do something with colour but also 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2257.89 2261.65 I think that's uh adds to the too much colour maybe m um 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2258.04 2258.44 Yes. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2258.44 2258.77 Yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2266.34 2267.3 It has to be 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2261.31 2266.34 Too much colour, i it uh when you got it in a living room, it's too much maybe. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2272.78 2273.83 So we will wrap up. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2268.57 2272.78 Okay, well I think the meeting will be over within a minute. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2264.75 2268.57 But our des design experts will uh work that out. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2265.55 2266.12 Yea yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2268.73 2268.98 Yep. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2269.17 2269.41 Yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2272.87 2273.71 Something like that. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2275 2277.01 Or is there anything we'd like to discuss? 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2277.14 2277.73 I guess not. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2277.54 2277.79 That's right. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2279.06 2279.36 Okay. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2279.06 2279.65 Do you, guys? 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2279.9 2280.23 No. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2281.19 2281.42 No? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2281.91 2282.25 Okay. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2290.57 2294.09 Yeah uh no, for su for sure because I'm will now type them out. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2284.08 2290.57 Well, you will read the minutes uh in the you can find them in the pro probably. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2287.82 2288.86 In the shared folder. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2288.12 2288.86 Oh, okay, yeah. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 2295.62 2296.71 What are we going to do now? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2297.02 2297.92 Uh, y yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2297.5 2298.9 You'll see in you email, I guess. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2301.19 2302.21 I hope so. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2302.21 2306.06 And the other thing is that you don't have kind of prototype or something like that. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2298.5 2301.19 Yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2306.06 2309.83 You see a kinda prototype you can a little bit more uh 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2299.27 2300.28 I think uh 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2300.35 2300.77 I don't know. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2299.76 2300.35 Yeah, I don't know. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 2308.31 2318.46 I will make one in the next uh twenty minutes. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2310.89 2313.25 Yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2311.44 2314.14 Construct one, yeah. 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2314.46 2317.39 But toilet paper roll and uh 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2316.3 2317.11 Yeah. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2314.48 2316.3 With you laptop? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2319.28 2319.69 Okay. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2319.36 2320.26 Oh my God. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2322.3 2322.48 Great. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2319.98 2322.3 Alright, shall we get back to work? 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2322.6 2325.42 I was waiting for the l last message, but 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2321.4 2322.6 Yep. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2323.17 2324.44 Well you are. 
TS3008c H01 MTD031UID 2324.44 2324.78 We're not. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2324.15 2324.51 Yeah. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2325.43 2326.57 Bastard. 
TS3008c H02 MTD030ID 2326.35 2327.17 Back to the pen. 
TS3008c H03 MTD032ME 2327.91 2329.09 You lazy 
TS3008c H00 MTD029PM 2328.21 2328.61 Mm yeah. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 75.56 79.01 Okay, welcome to the detailed design meeting. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 90.76 93.96 Uh, who's gonna give the prototype presentation? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 93.96 94.77 You two guys? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 86.92 90.76 Oh, we're gonna have a prototype presentation first. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 94.77 95.96 Okay. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 83.69 86.92 Again, I'm gonna take minutes. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 95.96 96.58 Go ahead. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 94.74 94.93 Yes. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 102.4 103.23 coffee. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 125.08 127.48 'Kay, we've made a prototype. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 127.48 130.1 Um, we've got uh 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 142.88 144.04 The logo is uh 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 138.99 142.88 Um, we've uh drawn here the p prototype. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 131.2 134.88 uh our aspects from the last meeting. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 134.88 138.99 Uh, especially we looked at the form, material and the colour. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 145.76 146.44 is uh 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 147.57 153.76 is pretty uh obvious to see on the on the remote control, but 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 155.02 159.77 it is necessary when you want to build your uh company f to a level higher. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 162.71 163.16 Um, 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 169.33 171.04 Maybe you can uh point them uh 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 164.37 169.33 our interface elements, there are shown in the in the drawing. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 171.99 172.84 The functions. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 181.01 182.24 Uh, it's a little bit. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 172.1 181.01 Uh, well the uh all the functions are discussed uh I think the most of the functions are uh uh obvious. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 182.24 183.4 Uh, power button. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 184.89 188.37 Uh then the the the nine uh channels. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 189.57 192.56 Uh the volume uh 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 197.44 206.59 And then we had uh just uh two buttons, we place them in the middle, uh the menu, and for the teletext I thought that was th 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 193.76 197.44 uh at the side, and the other side is the programmes. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 208.01 210.17 Do y do you did we want to have a m mute button? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 205.52 208.01 Oh no, the the the mute button misses now. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 206.1 207.06 Alright, I 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 207.97 209.14 Oh, the mute button. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 208.33 208.53 Yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 208.72 211.78 But uh that It's uh here then, in the middle. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 210.11 210.66 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 211.75 217.41 Alright, and uh you gotta point out which is the volume um uh button and which is the programme button. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 211.88 212.2 Huh. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 215.68 216.55 Yes, um 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 217.75 218.62 we've disc 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 217.92 221.42 Well, yeah mo uh mo Yeah, well most of them are right-handed. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 222.52 225.31 Yeah, but you you gotta make it clear on the on 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 222.54 223.6 Most of the users 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 225.25 231 Yes, y there there will be a p a little a little P. on that and a little uh yeah. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 225.74 228.99 Yeah well, I don't have time in uh anymore on the 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 229.19 230.82 Yeah, and a and a triangle on that. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 230.01 233.2 Oh yeah, just progr programme above, I think. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 232.84 235.32 Next to that I kinda miss a zero actually. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 232.28 232.84 Yes. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 237.22 242.88 Wait, there's was one thing I wanted to ask. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 242.88 247.45 Uh, there are different ways for remote controls to uh do uh like 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 251.25 253.96 Uh, y th th th the two numbers. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 248.62 251.25 uh d I call it teens and twenties. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 252.3 252.69 Yes. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 253.42 257.45 All n no, that's um kinda dependent on the television. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 254.98 256.39 Yeah, true, yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 255.23 256.93 It's a television. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 256.93 257.3 Yes. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 258.27 262.85 Yeah, but do we have do we need extra buttons, for example some uh some have to 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 258.31 258.87 Uh 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 261.33 262.05 I think 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 261.33 262.8 Uh I think so. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 266.48 271.37 uh th with the one and a double uh uh yes. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 262.19 266.48 Yes, yes, you have you have a lot of standard buttons that has to be uh on it 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 266.83 268.7 Yeah, I think you should add 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 268.54 269.07 Zero? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 270.98 271.6 Yeah, line. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 269.73 270.98 A cross, or whatever. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 270.63 271.68 May maybe here? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 272.88 277.77 becau b l a lot of remote controls work that y when y that you when you fir you push the one first,
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 270.7 272.88 Yeah, but you don't you don't actually need them 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 277.77 281.26 then you have a couple of seconds No, I don't think so. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 276.62 277.07 Yeah. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 277.86 278.69 And then a second. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 278.51 280.06 No, that's dependent on the television. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 281.2 284.95 Yes, you have televisions, then you have to, you know, you have to uh press 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 281.74 282.58 I do know so. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 283.35 284.52 Is it depending on television? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 284.45 289.76 Nah, I don't think so really, because you have a I know some remote controls that don't have these buttons,
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 289.76 295.45 but you still can, know, obviously you can still select the twenty uh a number in the twenty or in the ten. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 284.7 284.81 Yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 292.37 295.54 Yes, but but a lot uh 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 302.8 303.53 But 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 301.22 302.8 Or actually, the other way around. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 295.04 301.22 Yes, but uh uh no uh remote control nowadays are um they come with the television. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 313.88 319.88 because it i it first gives you the functionality of that that uh separate button you also had to uh apply. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 310.93 313.88 it's the same thing as when you just push the one 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 302.86 310.93 No, I think uh I really think it's n because you can when when you put a button on it with like one and uh then a dash 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 310.41 310.7 Yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 314.95 315.52 Yes, but 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 319.11 320.53 Yeah, well but su If 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 320.11 322.96 some televisions don't accept uh that that 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 322.17 324.32 Yeah, because that's i it's for television. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 324.32 325.56 It's exact the same thing. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 325.64 327.35 No, no, but s 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 326.64 328.81 So some television respond differently. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 328.81 330.17 Look, if uh i i 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 326.23 326.64 No no no. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 330.77 333.64 When you push the button, the remote control gives a signal. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 345.84 348.47 then the remote control gives a signal for channel one. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 329.76 330.77 No, listen listen. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 333.64 340.14 I in th in the first place it gives a signal which it would also send when you put a separate button on it. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 340.14 345.84 The one with dash, that signal gi and when y whe when you don't push another button on the remote control within five seconds 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 334.8 335.04 Yes. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 339.43 340.63 Yes, that's true. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 346.7 346.98 Yeah. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 348.81 349.04 True. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 349.29 349.75 No 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 350.51 352.19 I think it works that way, really. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 351.61 357.58 No, it it it works uh if you haven't got uh a special button for it, uh if you push a one,
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 357.58 363.11 then on your television there will appear a one and a a line, which is an empty space. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 361.34 365.37 Yeah, but it's exact the same that w would appear when you put a separate button push a separate button. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 362.84 370.19 Yes, but some some old televisions uh you have to uh click on uh a special button,
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 370.19 373.91 uh then you go to a a next level, you can push two buttons. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 376.22 378.76 I think it's exact the same thing when y 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 373.61 376.22 Yeah, but you don't underst uh you don't understand my point. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 373.96 374.88 Yep. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 374.88 375.12 True. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 376.38 376.83 You want 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 378.15 379.99 Yes, but some television don't support it. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 385.05 388.46 Listen, with that that's that special but button you're talking about, eh? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 399.35 403.46 When you don't have that separate button, and you push y one, it's exactly the same thing. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 379.96 385.05 No, but then they would a would also support that button, because it's the same thing. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 388.46 396.11 That's just a signal to recei ju they send a t signal to the v tv T. V. that they have to put a one in on your screen and a dash 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 396.11 399.35 which you can pu so you can uh still put another number on it. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 403.46 408.09 Do y you the remote control gives that same signal as it would give when you only had 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 380.33 380.95 But the ex 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 405.99 411.81 No, s some some televisions need the input first uh and and you c 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 406.46 407.53 No, a remote can 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 410.07 410.34 Yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 410.48 413.18 Yes, so they need no, they need 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 412.66 413.55 You push the one. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 411.19 412.66 But you give the input. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 413.55 417.39 That's the same thing as the button with the one and it yes it it is. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 417.39 417.92 Think about it. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 418.38 419.47 It's simply not true. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 419.47 419.82 Uh 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 416.4 418.38 It's simply not true. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 415.41 416.4 No, that's not true. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 424.55 427.19 and then wait uh two uh seconds or something 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 418.61 419.39 Yeah. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 419.39 424.55 You uh you can wai when you push the one you can show on the telly a one and just a dash 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 418.73 420.47 No, but uh 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 424.08 430.18 And it's the same thing what happens and a g remote control gives another signal after five seconds that is just one. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 429.9 432.88 No, remote control doesn't give signal after five seconds. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 434.88 438.2 If you push a button, it sends it immediately to to the television. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 432.88 434.88 Remote control is a stupid thing. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 442.91 446.58 only ha has the c these buttons with a one and a dash and a two and a dash,
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 436.09 437.57 Yeah, that's true. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 446.58 450.77 but when you use a bu a n remote control that doesn't sport these buttons, it still works. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 437.57 442.91 Yeah, but I m uh but it's I I know for sure that some televisions that w th th the remote control supplied 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 450.77 451.92 But okay, we we'll impl 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 441.72 442.16 Yeah, it 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 450.96 452.33 No, definitely not. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 452.33 453.02 Definitely not. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 452.04 454.36 We'll discuss them in the usability lab. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 454.99 456.57 No, we'll apply them then for now. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 455.43 456.86 Uh eva evaluation. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 456.86 459.72 I don't know uh I don't know if if it's it's necessary. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 463.6 466.15 Yeah, for now, if we don't know for sure whether 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 462 463.6 Yeah, I think so. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 458.45 462 Yeah, app just apply them next to the zero, the one and the two. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 461.49 461.78 Yeah? 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 465.14 466.33 Okay. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 469.01 474.69 And the button for the SCART uh audio video uh external input. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 469.09 469.37 Yes. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 471.72 471.9 Ach. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 476.81 480.63 What I said about uh the remote control sending another signal, that that might not be true,
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 485.87 491.8 I think it's more c is m maybe we don't uh we both don't really understand how it i how it really works 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 491.8 495.39 but I think there's more to in than wha than what you just said. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 474.14 476.81 Yeah but okay. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 480.63 485.87 but I still think i it it all T. V. s in some ways support it, I don't know. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 474.63 478.57 Uh, you can access that uh via zero, and then minus, I guess. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 478.57 478.77 Yeah. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 479.97 480.12 Yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 485.54 486.08 No, no. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 494.44 498.47 Uh, remote control sends one signal at one button uh press. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 498.16 502.82 I do think that uh m T. V. s support mur multiple kind of remote controls. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 502.82 502.87 M 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 500.07 500.63 Uh, some 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 502.27 505.87 N some televisions when when you want to go further than uh ten 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 505.95 509.84 Th won't work wi with uh to have that special button. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 516.24 519.9 And the older televisions need more signals to go a level higher. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 507.18 512.39 No, you have to you have to uh give the television uh two or more signals. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 512.39 516.24 When you uh press one button, you give one signal. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 521.69 522.02 But 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 522.41 522.61 Yep. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 522.86 523.85 Okay, well we'll see. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 523.74 527.99 When you make the technology that that it will uh give more signals, 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 529.47 530.48 it could work, but 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 532.3 537.64 Just a basic idea of of of the most uh most y 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 539.88 544.37 most common uh and simple uh operations on the remote. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 544.71 546.28 I kinda miss the docking station. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 543.67 544.71 Okay. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 546.94 548.61 Yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 547.91 549.14 Yes. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 549.14 551.92 It's here on the 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 553.28 559.95 Well it yeah, uh there's nothing I think it's pretty basic,
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 559.95 568.13 the the there's no fu there's one there's one button, that's wha there's there's there's one function and that's n the one button when you want to find it. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 557.86 558.87 We came uh 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 561.15 561.57 Yes. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 561.83 563.44 No nothing really trendy about it. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 566.53 576.32 But maybe we can maybe we can make the docking station uh uh a bit standard for for uh the other products we sell 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 583.1 588.91 So maybe we can uh use the docking station, for example, uh M. P. three players or or uh 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 576.32 583.1 because Real Real Reaction sells more products than only remote controls. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 567.11 567.45 The button. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 583.09 583.28 Yep. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 590.36 591.78 uh hearing devices. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 591.21 596.37 I think that's very difficult, because of different shapes of uh uh devices. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 598.74 605.2 you can put uh when the when the when uh o the the the lowest part of it,
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 595.34 598.74 Yes, but when you put that same volt voltages on it 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 605.2 609.8 when it's o the same as the other products, you can put it all on the same uh 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 599.86 600.57 Yeah, of course. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 605.26 605.5 Mm-hmm. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 610.73 613.89 Well it it got it it has got to fit into the shape, of course. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 614.25 615.52 Yes, but we can make 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 617.41 618.76 That's uh that's true. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 615.35 617.41 The technology and the voltage can be the same. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 618.76 625.34 But uh i if you all make the m having a bottom like this, then they all fit. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 624.04 627.22 No, we can make uh make the most lowest part all the same. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 628.07 630.45 Yeah, that's true, but uh 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 630.57 638.09 When when the the recharger has a has a bit what points out, we can place all on top of it. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 640.51 641.61 Yes, but uh I I g 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 640.87 643 Just have to be big enough for the biggest 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 642.42 643.7 Shouldn't it fall then? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 646.29 649 That's a bit uh yeah, I think 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 643.7 646.29 It isn't going to fall down? 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 651.21 652.24 But then it's a little bit 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 648.41 651.21 No, when you make it large enough no it it will not. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 654.04 658.53 if you got uh a a a base a base like this, I won't draw it really. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 651.49 654.04 No, but if if like this, I'll I'll point it out,
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 658.53 661.45 If you got a base which is uh as big as this 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 655.62 656.89 But it's just an idea. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 660.4 665.59 But it's flat it's flat as as this, so we can p make all the products as flat as this. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 664.46 664.9 You can. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 666.01 669.54 Yeah sure, but if you got if you got a tiny player, it can 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 666.09 667.69 But i i i it's backwards. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 670.13 673.33 Yes, but when you make uh uh a bit of big 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 671.4 672.63 But it's it's backwards. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 672.63 673.77 It's leaning. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 673.77 677.07 It's leaning backwards, I think, in the in the docking station. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 676.23 681.76 Uh, wha what you could do if you uh from the bottom oh, right, help. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 675.42 676.23 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 681.76 685.33 Uh, you could make like a hole in it, you know, of uh in in the 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 680.02 680.98 That's text. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 681.19 681.51 But 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 683.71 688.49 Yes, little holer littler Uh, little products go deeper in it. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 688.06 689.4 That i that is possible, yep. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 687.18 688.06 Yeah. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 689.02 695.03 Well let's ha let's talk about the docking station later, because uh maybe we have we have to uh consider the docking station anyway 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 695.03 699.09 because we have some uh cost issues still to come. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 699.09 700.6 But we have to look n I don't know. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 692.16 693.25 Yeah, sure, you're right. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 696.87 698.29 And uh uh 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 695.94 696.87 Yes. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 698.34 698.61 Oh. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 711.57 717.49 Then your uh left thumb of uh your right thumb is uh near the programme uh button, 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 702.82 711.57 because uh you always uh will uh pick up the remote control in the in the smallest uh area. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 699.27 702.82 the f the look and feel would be great on this uh remote control 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 702.61 703.65 I don't like the colours. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 709.02 709.3 Mm-hmm. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 711.1 711.3 Yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 718.63 724.84 which is the most common used uh function, and all the other buttons are available for your uh thumb. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 725.96 728.32 So it's it's it's really good design. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 726.31 726.69 Okay. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 730.02 730.36 Alright. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 728.86 730.02 Yeah. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 730.49 730.88 That's it? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 729.41 730.49 Yes. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 731.85 736.19 Yes, uh on the side uh there will be a strip of rubber,
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 736.19 744.14 and in the middle uh there is uh a hard uh a hard material, a bit hard plastic with a light uh behind it. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 738.76 739.4 The light. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 744.35 745.45 Okay. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 745.45 746.35 And other lights? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 746.07 748.16 I think added lights are gonna be a problem too. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 747.1 753.54 Yes, we can make also n neon lights on it, or or the buttons that can make uh light on it. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 750.47 751.58 No, o on the on the front. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 754.03 755.46 Maybe the uh the logo. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 752.87 754.03 Yeah, okay. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 756.33 756.76 Yes. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 757.57 758.18 lights? 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 757.9 763.19 But, it will also uh uh use batteries, and do we want to 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 758.8 759.44 Yeah, why not? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 762.56 763 Of course. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 764.53 766.45 For now, uh this is uh is good enough. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 763.16 764.53 Okay. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 763.48 763.67 Mm. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 767.73 768.05 Okay. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 768.11 769.67 Yeah, what was uh on the 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 770.54 773.73 The all the aspects of the interface buttons were uh 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 782.58 786.71 Then we're gonna do the buttons in the i are we're gonna have rubber buttons. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 774.89 776.56 Okay, but in the oh yeah, the colour,
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 776.56 782.58 because we're gonna use uh one colour for the the plastic enclosure and one colour for the rubber, isn't it? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 790.62 791.08 Okay. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 791.08 798.56 And I think we should use a a darker colour for the um plastic, and maybe some more m brighter and flashy stuff 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 786.71 790.62 And they're be a they'll be in the same colour as the rubber on the side. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 782.18 782.58 Yes. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 786.81 787.16 Yes. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 787.07 787.46 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 787.33 788.94 Uh, in the same colour as the side. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 790.81 791.94 Yeah. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 789.98 790.81 Yeah. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 791.94 792.26 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 790.07 791.97 Yeah, I think I think that'll be good. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 797.88 806.29 Yes, maybe we can use on the on the lights on the side we can use uh uh multiple uh lights, so it will uh 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 799.02 799.33 Yes. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 811.78 818.26 But uh, and we have to agree uh upon the exact colours, but may I dunno if that's important, but we'll talk about that later. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 824.57 826.6 Uh, I have to see the agenda. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 820.51 824.57 Um, the next p y you gonna give a presentation too? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 818.26 820.51 Okay, for now this is this is okay. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 807.84 811.78 'Cause I also don yeah, it's depends on the costs and such. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 806.09 807.84 Yeah, we'll talk about the lights later. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 807.4 807.76 Yes. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 807.98 808.09 Yep. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 811.53 811.69 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 818.89 819.31 We will. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 826.2 829.21 Well, uh yeah, I I'm gonna do something right there, yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 826.22 826.55 No. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 830.23 831.05 Detail design. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 831.62 837.47 We gotta do that on the right the most right-most screen, because the leftmost 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 836.53 838.58 Evaluation criteria. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 839.15 840.05 Yep, that's me. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 841.66 842.03 Okay. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 842.94 843.43 Okay. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 843.61 845.27 Alright. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 848.88 849.6 Um 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 845.27 848.88 I will be needing that image, so leave it please. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 853.47 854.03 Go away. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 866.28 871.83 Um, we g the four of us are going to do that um together. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 875.24 878.78 Right, the remote is not ugly, a bit weird sentence, but 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 858.68 866.28 Right, we're gonna evaluate that design according to a few points. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 871.83 875.24 I wanna have a colour over here, come on. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 898.38 901.47 The remote control is not ugly. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 880.27 885.87 the positive things has to be on the left, so I said not ugly instead of ugly. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 901.47 902.15 How do you feel? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 893.85 898.38 and please forget the drawing skills of these guys. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 885.87 893.85 Uh, what would you say, we we gotta give points to uh to all of these to evaluate uh that design 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 898.21 898.83 Okay. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 903.24 906.45 Yeah, I think four maybe would be appropriate, because it's 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 912.23 918.24 It's so if maybe a lot of people find it really ugly, you know, o other people find it really cool. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 918.24 919.69 I don't know or uh I don't know how you 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 909.4 912.23 Uh, I mean it's kind of, our design. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 907.53 909.4 Yeah, maybe it really depends on taste. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 912.6 912.93 Yes. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 913.46 913.63 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 917.56 918.37 Background colour. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 920.38 921.29 How do you guys feel? 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 929.35 933.89 because you can uh make it in your own yes, you can make it in your own uh 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 920.43 929.35 I think I think the the fronts will give it a more uh uh uh less uglier uh side,
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 920.44 921.25 Casting. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 921.25 921.54 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 930.56 932.52 The different designs. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 932.52 932.76 Yes. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 933.94 934.21 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 934.78 935.14 Okay. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 935.04 938.26 more to your own personality or or house style. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 942.74 944.34 With a colour a co a colours. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 944.34 944.93 Oh, okay. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 937.71 942.74 Yeah, but we d we didn't we're we're not planning to use fronts, I believe. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 941.73 943.77 No, not not fronts, but different designs. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 942.84 943.72 No, not fronts. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 943.72 944.67 Different designs. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 944.67 945.92 Different colours maybe, yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 943.96 944.33 Yes. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 944.65 950.09 And that's still uh uh, yeah, is is uh is a little personal touch, I guess. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 950.09 950.23 What? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 948.09 948.64 Okay, but 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 949.79 952.77 Oh, maybe we should do three or something that w you know, our 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 952.86 955.17 Yeah, wha wha what would you uh guys uh think? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 955.17 955.72 Personally. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 954.18 954.94 Or forty. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 954.62 954.93 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 957.32 957.78 Personally. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 957.64 958.62 We can make it a one. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 959.43 960.25 Yes, but what is it? 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 962.59 964.68 I think two or three. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 964.75 965.96 Guido? 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 964.79 965.16 Mm yeah. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 966.83 967.3 I agree. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 967.96 968.52 Two or three. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 972.22 972.99 So I go for two. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 968.78 972.22 Um, I uh I go for the positive. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 969.91 970.43 I was 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 974.1 976.07 I was thinking about three, so I guess 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 975.71 978.14 Uh, I was thinking about four, so I think three is uh 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 983.62 985.12 I'll mark it. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 977.85 983.62 three is uh a bit uh oh, what am I doing? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 985.12 989 The remote control's uh uh that n makes uh zapping easy. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 978 978.81 Okay, three. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 989.16 989.43 Yeah. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 989.76 992.42 Yeah well, let that let's make that a one. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 990.34 990.72 Yes. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 990.92 991.18 Two. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 992.15 993.08 Yeah? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 993.08 993.76 Antek, you agree? 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 992.31 992.9 One. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 992.9 993.91 One. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 993.91 995.07 Okay yeah, I'll I'll agree. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 993.14 993.54 Yes. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 994.6 995 Yes. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 995.55 996.26 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 996.26 996.96 You're not Antek. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 995.64 996.73 That's one thing for sure. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 996.3 999.04 I'm the I'm the usability, so 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 997.89 999.2 I totally agree. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 999.2 1004.18 The remote control the remote control's relevant buttons are prominently visible. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1004.53 1004.92 Yes. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1005.16 1005.38 Yeah. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1006.14 1007.53 Yeah, two or a one, I guess. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1007.53 1009.92 It's something we really put work into. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1006.68 1007.26 The 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1021.5 1022.09 That's a one? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1022.09 1022.58 You agree? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1016.84 1019.29 And our oh yeah, it's a b yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1009.97 1011.61 Yeah, I yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1011.61 1016.84 I would say a one because uh every button is uh uh relevant. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1019.29 1019.84 Yeah? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1019.84 1021.5 Alright. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1011.65 1012.95 It's all about the buttons. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1022.72 1022.96 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1027.67 1030.23 I think we totally succeeded there. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1030.23 1030.69 Oh 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1024.19 1027.67 The remote control hasn't got too much redundant or unneeded buttons. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1028.83 1029.17 But 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1029.18 1029.7 Well 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1030.11 1033.36 Well maybe a two, because of the menu button or something. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1033.36 1034.03 And telete 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1032.18 1033.55 Yeah, well menu Yeah, maybe. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1032.79 1033.47 Yeah, that's true. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1033.47 1033.75 That's true. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1033.49 1040.64 Also, the the the buttons of the one, the two, the the digits, o they're used uh uh 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1036.83 1038.58 Yeah, we don't know if the uh they're necessary. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1038.24 1040.93 the the yeah, m well, you d you've got a point. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1041.13 1041.81 I think a two. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1043.48 1044.57 Yeah, I agree. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1042.67 1043.48 Yeah, true. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1042.99 1044.5 Can yes, three, two. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1044.22 1046.75 Came a long way, but not we didn't not uh 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1044.8 1045.4 Two or three? 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1046.91 1047.32 Mm two. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1048.25 1048.49 Two? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1048.49 1048.81 Antek. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1048.46 1051.9 But you can't make a remote control without them, because 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1051.09 1051.92 Because we got 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1052.92 1053.97 They're definitely needed. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1053.97 1054.25 So 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1051.48 1052.92 Nay that that that's true, that's true. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1053.84 1057.33 No, w w it can also always be more simplistic, but two is yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1055.98 1056.83 we put it on a two? 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1057.36 1057.7 Yes. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1058.42 1060.76 The remote control has got a really trendy look. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1062.66 1063.27 A one. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1061.45 1062.66 Yes. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1064.79 1065.22 Maarten. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1067.53 1069.81 Yeah yeah, y i it's hard to say from this picture. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1064.94 1067.53 Yeah, uh a t I think a two. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1065.41 1065.93 Well. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1070.01 1070.34 Yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1070.99 1074.81 We we've tried to make it uh the the best trendy look uh ever. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1073.71 1074.22 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1075.51 1076.34 Ever, yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1076.34 1076.67 Guido. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1078.01 1079.31 But I do think it's more 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1081.18 1081.65 I I th 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1078.09 1081.18 Uh, I will I will make it a three, because uh yeah. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1081.25 1083.85 But I do think that it's more trendy than beautiful. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1084.65 1085.59 Yeah, uh I agree. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1085.59 1085.83 I agree. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1084.99 1085.4 Yes. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1085.54 1089.28 So so I think maybe it has to score higher uh on this than on the 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1087.19 1087.85 True, yeah. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1086.44 1087.19 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1088.29 1095.48 I was planning to give it a two, uh where I give the not ugly uh oh, yeah, that's true. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1095.48 1096.32 You agree on the two? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1091.66 1092.36 A th a three. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1096.23 1096.55 Yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1096.68 1097.03 Yes. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1096.85 1098.4 I i uh when you compare to the 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1100.54 1104.43 Remote control hasn't got too much redundant or unneeded buttons. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1099.42 1100.54 Great. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1103.38 1107.76 Uh uh what's the difference with 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1105.34 1106.82 Uh, I copied that one. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1110 1110.64 Um 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1107.71 1110 Well, uh forget that. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1109.07 1109.53 Okay. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1113.32 1114.64 Go away. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1114.64 1118.03 Remote control has got innovative technology implanted. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1118.13 1119.32 No. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1119.32 1122.29 We're not well, maybe the the the on the side. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1118.49 1118.95 No. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1118.68 1119.09 No. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1120.26 1122.36 No, not L. C. D., so. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1126.91 1130.03 Yeah, but we have t we have to talk about the lights uh. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1123.08 1126.91 Yeah, but we uh you mean the rubber stuff? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1130.03 1132.86 And I don't u also it's also really not innovative, it's more 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1125.91 1126.51 Yeah, and the light. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1126.94 1127.91 And the light maybe. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1130.29 1132.38 Lights lights are 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1127.72 1130.29 But that that's not innovative. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1129.02 1129.63 But 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1130.11 1130.46 Well, I g 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1132.97 1133.84 It's not seven? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1137.96 1138.21 Or six. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1135.69 1137.96 Or seven maybe, yeah. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1134.59 1135.69 No, six. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1135.28 1136.06 Well, six. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1136.84 1137.64 No, six. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1137.88 1138.44 Six. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1138.07 1139.27 Why uh why not a seven? 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1138.83 1139.34 Six. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1139.47 1141.16 Yeah, mine is seven. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1140.68 1145.22 Because we've tried to make it a little bit innovative, but it but it 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1143.36 1143.73 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1144.85 1145.17 How? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1145.25 1147.48 Uh it's uh depends on the on the maybe 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1146.9 1149.69 With the lights it it's it's kind of future 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1149.65 1154.01 No, I think I think actually it's a seven maybe, but there's nothing innovative about it. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1149.77 1151.15 Yeah, you think the lights are innovative? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1153.8 1155.02 Well, it's n true. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1155.02 1156.42 Uh, I agree, m but 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1156.22 1160.48 But still you can retrieve it when it's when it's gone, with the with 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1159.45 1164.21 Innovative in generally or just f original for 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1160.25 1160.66 I'll 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1161.82 1163.59 Yeah, you you didn't draw the docking station. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1168.9 1173.63 It's a part of the remote. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1165.27 1168.9 The docking station is a is a little bit innovative. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1163.85 1165.27 Yes. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1173.63 1176.33 And with the speaker on the there's also a speaker. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1164.58 1165.64 N no no, t. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1165.01 1168 Yeah, it it's I think I think with its 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1166.1 1167.7 A docking station is innova 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1166.81 1174.21 Yeah, I mean the dock station, but but uh, I think the the docking station, it's gonna be a kind of a problem. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1174.21 1174.53 But 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1169.81 1170.68 I think more m 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1172.95 1176.14 Okay. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1174.47 1175.47 Uh that that's n 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1175.8 1180.43 Well, let's leave it open for uh for us later to see what, because we have to reevaluate anyway. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1181.53 1181.82 No? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1180.43 1181.53 Well I i yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1180.88 1181.26 Okay. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1181.63 1185.23 No uh, well, the agenda says evaluate now, so I think we 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1185 1188.65 Okay, for now it's a six or a seven uh, sev six maybe, because 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1186.14 1187.17 It's it's a six. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1187.64 1187.97 Six. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1188.28 1189.82 But the retrieval or the 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1188.6 1190.89 That m f Yeah, for the retrieval function. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1189.6 1192.67 Yeah, but I don't I don't know if it's very inno yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1192.71 1195.09 I think that's very innovative for a remote control. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1192.38 1192.71 Yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1194.27 1197.01 Yes, how would you innovate a remote control more? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1194.39 1194.88 Yeah, v 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1198.35 1205.27 Yeah, more through uh like function T. V. functionalities and no no, you know what I mean. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1205.27 1212.48 You have must be innovative technology for remote controls, but more in how you control stuff, not in how you find your yeah. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1212.48 1216.95 Yeah, it's that's that's think about it la later on and uh 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1202 1202.9 To put it on your head. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1208.91 1209.64 Yeah sure, but 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1212.48 1215.1 But I d I definitely don't think it's a five, but 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1217.05 1218.73 Remote control is easy to use. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1218.43 1221.54 Yeah, as a a one or a two ma uh at least. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1219.8 1220.24 Yes. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1220.77 1221.51 Yeah, a two. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1221.59 1221.83 Yes. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1222.94 1223.08 Yeah? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1222.28 1222.94 I think a two. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1223.29 1223.85 Yeah, it's good. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1225.99 1226.55 More two. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1226.06 1226.78 Come on. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1226.78 1229.67 The remote control hasn't got uh. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1231.58 1232.69 Oh, you skipped one uh 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1229.29 1231.58 No, I would have seen that one before. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1232.86 1234.38 I've just filled uh 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1234.16 1234.67 Uh, here. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1235.73 1236.29 Go away. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1236.51 1238.6 You like the buttons. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1238.03 1241.76 I found twelve questions so much, but it still is ten. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1241.33 1243.14 Remote control will be bought by 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1243.15 1245.73 It will be bought by people under the age of forty. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1245.92 1246.31 Yes. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1246.52 1247.07 Definitely. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1245.99 1246.52 Yeah. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1246.22 1246.67 Yes. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1248.17 1252.08 In in and comparing with uh people of th of the age above? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1248.22 1248.73 Well 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1251.24 1252.04 No no no. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1252.04 1253.91 No, just if they if they buy it. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1253.94 1254.7 Yeah, a two. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1251.95 1253.94 Uh, just in general. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1254.39 1255.83 We don't know. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1255.83 1256.23 But 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1255.83 1257.45 Yeah, but I think I think two. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1255.99 1256.77 Yeah, what do you think? 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1256.9 1258.93 Yeah, I think two, yeah. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1258.93 1259.59 I agree. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1259.59 1259.83 Two. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1259.33 1259.58 Antek? 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1260.28 1263.95 Yes, two, but only in c when you compare it with with elderly. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1266.28 1268.66 It's just w it will be bought by people under forty. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1264.34 1266.28 Uh, that is not the question. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1264.6 1265.77 No, that's no comparison. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1270.16 1273.13 Yeah, you can yeah, you can be very picky about it. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1272.23 1273.78 And I don't mean two people. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1272.84 1274.06 This is just guessing. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1274.11 1276.28 Ah yeah, just make it we'll make it a two. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1275.23 1276.11 Make it a two. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1275.43 1275.72 W w 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1277.55 1279.92 When it succeeds, uh it can get a two, mu 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1280.86 1281.79 Right, the rem 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1282.96 1288.1 The remote control has recognisable corporate image, colour, logo or slogan. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1284.42 1284.86 Oh no. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1288.02 1291.65 Yeah, you have make an slogan is quite obvious. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1286.92 1288.02 Yeah. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1288.36 1289.54 We don't have the slogan though. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1293.65 1294.44 Can we see the slogan? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1292.09 1293.65 Oh, the slogan. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1295.05 1297.9 Yeah, you can put that on the side if if we would like to. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1293.2 1295.05 Oh the oh sorry, no, not not the slogan. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1294.86 1295.56 The logo. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1295.18 1295.78 A logo. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1297.6 1298.88 Underneath it or something. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1297.77 1302.38 Yes, uh encrypted uh with 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1305.33 1306.48 Maybe a three this time. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1301.04 1305.33 Yeah, and I will I th still think it's gonna be a two or a three. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1301.84 1302.6 Are we gonna do that? 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1304.52 1305.39 A three. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1305.39 1305.77 Three. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1306.69 1307.26 Yeah, a three. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1306.85 1307.23 Yes. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1308.49 1308.9 I agree. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1307.6 1308.49 Three? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1310.46 1316.1 Because of the slogan Remote control's got a basic design intended uh for novice users. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1311.84 1312.42 And uh 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1314.87 1316.41 Uh, it's a one or a two. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1316.01 1316.89 Yeah, two. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1317.58 1317.81 Yes. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1320.2 1320.53 Alright. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1318.3 1319.45 Two? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1319.45 1320.2 Two. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1318.65 1319.36 Yeah, make it a two. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1318.79 1319.02 Two. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1330.49 1331.35 Forget that. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1331.35 1336.26 Fifteen, seventeen, twenty one, twenty four, twenty six. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1322.58 1327.11 We gotta add up the scores now to see our total average. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1327.11 1330.49 Four, five, seven, nine. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1337.31 1338.08 Twenty six. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1341.82 1343.22 It's a two point six. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1347.14 1353.51 Yeah, and that's mostly the inno when we uh score higher on innovative technology, we would score two, 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1345.68 1347.14 It's not that bad. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1346.29 1347.18 Alright, we yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1354.19 1355.17 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1355.17 1355.4 True. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1357.65 1359.8 Uh, this is was uh the evaluation? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1356.61 1357.65 Okay. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1354.7 1356.61 which is uh quite a great score. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1359.99 1361.52 This was my evaluation. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1361.52 1361.85 So 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1361.15 1364.93 Because I I still think that the most important part of this meeting still has 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1363.44 1366.07 We did a pretty nice job until now. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1367.96 1368.29 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1368.33 1370.23 Um, is this your 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1374.31 1374.59 Or 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1370.91 1374.31 Is there something after this uh meeting? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1371.22 1371.67 Whatever. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1374.12 1376.07 Well, I think we gotta fill out another questionnaire. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1375.21 1375.58 No. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1376.79 1377.14 Okay. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1377.23 1377.91 Okay, yeah. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1385.51 1386.87 Still opened or uh 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1388.06 1388.2 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1388.09 1388.45 Yeah. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1391.53 1392.4 Okay, finance. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1392.4 1393.31 Because um 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1393.31 1395.93 Shoot. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1395.67 1397.46 I received uh a spreadsheet. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1396.7 1397.17 A five. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1395.97 1396.7 A five. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1399.21 1402.76 Yeah, but I uh actually don't need this presentation, I guess. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1402.76 1402.89 Oh. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1404.21 1404.76 Doesn't matter. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1406.06 1414.22 I'm gonna open the spreadsheet and we're gonna work this out together, because I didn't really fin uh I have a. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1415.27 1416.11 Didn't really finish it. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1418.84 1421.64 We'll stumble upon some problems. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1417.8 1418.84 Well, we uh We'll see. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1423.02 1423.87 We probably will. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1423.84 1426.67 I probably have already opened it here. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1434.67 1442.21 First of all, the mm all the docking station and costs and such are not included in this list. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1431.81 1434.67 try it again. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1447.99 1452.15 I i uh I'll explain its Uh, the the components are listed over here. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1444.47 1446.12 But let's let's st start with beginning. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1446.12 1447.99 We include one battery. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1467.25 1468.43 Okay, we need one battery. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1468.43 1468.98 One battery. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1464.32 1467.25 I don't know if it's filled in properly. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1474.54 1476.9 A s okay, this this is a p first problem. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1452.15 1453.67 Uh, price is given. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1461.31 1464.32 And then uh, we'll uh calcula Don't watch the number yet. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1453.67 1461.31 We um yeah, we we uh indicate the amount of components of the specif specific component, how much we need of them. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1471.52 1474.54 We don't need kinetic, solar cells, hand dynamo. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1468.98 1471.52 I think one battery is enough. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1476.9 1477.67 Uh, I think 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1454.28 1455.02 The amount, yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1469.74 1470.09 Yes. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1479.07 1480.45 we should know how many 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1481.69 1484.26 simple chips, regular chips 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1483.28 1487.56 Uh it's it's one one chip, but but you have to choose one from it. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1487.92 1488.36 Okay. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1489.71 1490.64 But 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1490.14 1496.96 The simple chip is e enough I I think, but with the lights with the lights and the retrieval, it can be uh 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1493.18 1493.97 I don't know 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1497.31 1497.71 Was it 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1495.9 1497.31 Where did we find this information? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1497.19 1500.59 I haven't got an idea on on which we need to use, really. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1500.43 1501.21 No, uh I 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1503.73 1510.44 f your first presentation to make this clear, but then you had some t time problems. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1510.44 1512.47 But do you th you do you know what chip we need? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1500.71 1503.73 I think it was uh your job in the first uh meet Uh,
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1500.85 1501.36 No. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1508.45 1510.55 Yes, my my my uh 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1508.45 1508.63 Yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1522.38 1529.87 it will uh cost a a bit more, like I think the advanced chip maybe. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1513.26 1522.38 The the email I got said uh simple chip, but when we put in the speaker and the retriever uh device,
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1521.99 1522.25 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1530.88 1531.62 And how do you know? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1533.77 1536.11 Did it point out what to use them for? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1531.62 1533.77 I mean, you got that email. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1533.01 1540.3 Bec No, the they didn't know about a retriever or a speaker uh in it. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1534.39 1536.24 Maybe you can uh look it up right now. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1545.92 1548.74 And with the retriever, it would be an advanced chip. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1539.7 1545.92 When we don't when we leave the uh retriever and such aside, what then it would be a simple chip. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1538.61 1539.7 Okay, but okay. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1543.87 1545.08 Then it's a simple chip. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1549.48 1551.03 Yes, I I I s I 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1549.61 1553.11 Alright, well, point out the advanced chip for now, I guess. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1561.47 1564.29 What is it m is that the speaker we were t I don't know what it is. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1554.44 1559.28 Yeah, but it will it will it will be cause a lot of problems. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1559.28 1561.47 The sample sensor sample speaker. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1553.1 1554.44 Okay. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1553.79 1556.58 That will be enough for future uh recommendations. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1564.94 1565.99 I don't know it uh either. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1566.03 1566.56 I don't know. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1571.48 1573.8 Okay, we went for the double-curved case 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1575.15 1575.46 Yes. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1575.68 1576.74 made out of plastic 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1578.3 1578.91 and rubber. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1580.27 1581.18 And with a special colour. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1582.31 1583.93 I guess that's what we were 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1583.65 1585.62 Well, special colour. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1585.1 1588.03 Yeah, I don't know about the special colour, but I think w uh 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1586.45 1589.43 Otherwise, you get uh a standard uh plastic colour. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1586.85 1588.06 I don't know if it's very special. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1586.97 1587.81 I don't 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1589.43 1591.29 Yeah, I think we uh we have special colours. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1590.39 1590.87 Mm okay. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1590.89 1591.72 Standard rubber. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1591.88 1592.9 Alright, that's okay. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1593.16 1595.76 Okay, then the push-button, I was just counting them. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1595.76 1601.15 Uh, I think you have to indicate the amount of push-buttons we want to use, isn't it? 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1593.26 1594.46 St 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1601.04 1602.77 Whoa, it's a little 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1602.03 1602.42 Yes. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1602.38 1610.78 Well that's bit of a problem, because I re but I really don't understand that, because I can imagine a remote control with far more push-buttons 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1610.78 1614.85 and it wouldn't be possible according to this uh sheet. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1603.68 1604.95 That's huge. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1613.05 1614.03 No. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1614.03 1617.22 We have the simplest buttons. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1615.35 1615.59 No. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1617.49 1622.74 No, it's only uh when you use push-buttons, it will cost that much. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1622.74 1624.07 If you use a scroll-wheel 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1617.97 1618.36 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1625.17 1627.17 The the the yellow row is the amount of 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1622.17 1625.17 I don't think so, because it says amount. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1623.32 1623.38 Ah. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1624.7 1625.49 Yeah, it wouldn't 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1626.62 1630.56 Fill in the number of components you plan to use in the and the total cost I don't know. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1632.6 1634.71 You can have f four kind of push-buttons. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1630.71 1632.6 Maybe it's the kind of push-buttons. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1630.97 1631.08 I 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1636.48 1637.56 You can have uh 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1635.85 1636.48 Rubber. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1635.87 1636.92 Uh, one til nine. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1636.92 1640.53 Is that one or is that nine buttons? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1639.66 1640.92 And I count them like this. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1648.05 1650.34 Because Oh, this is oh, this is one, okay. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1642.36 1648.05 One two three uh four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve and thirteen. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1650.34 1655.59 Twelve, okay, then it would be eighteen, because uh, I uh rated them as uh um 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1645.89 1646.18 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1656.7 1659.09 To n that's total of four buttons. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1659.41 1660.69 Yes. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1657.08 1659.41 as uh uh uh separate buttons. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1660.69 1665.1 And plus these two, f uh plus the mute button, and it's will be uh eighteen. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1657.96 1659.54 Different, yes. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1660.92 1661.71 I think that 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1666.69 1668.09 One two three four five, si 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1665.88 1666.69 Eighteen. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1668.51 1671.03 Why is that so uh expensive. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1672.02 1674.43 Y I do I don't get the point, because it's would be 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1670.99 1672.02 Yeah, I don't understand. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1675.69 1679.27 s relatively so expensive, just these m small buttons. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1680.19 1683.42 Is it cents, the the the fifty cents a button? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1682.56 1685.22 Fifty cents for one single stupid button. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1685.51 1687.93 So, whe when you so then it 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1685.9 1686.7 No way. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1687.39 1689.1 Well, okay, well well let's make it just one. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1688.97 1692.06 It's eighty percent of the price of the of the amount of 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1691.13 1695.82 Here, now it's now it's already s shall we just 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1694.05 1694.24 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1692.99 1694.05 Yeah, exactly. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1700.88 1702.72 It would be impossible to make it 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1697.18 1700.88 give our own interpretation to, because else we would really have a problem. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1702.17 1708.05 I can't I I I couldn't understand it if it was fifty cents per uh uh per button. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1708.05 1708.38 Really. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1702.82 1703.71 It's way 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1711.95 1712.82 And then throw it 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1710.93 1711.95 Board. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1707.61 1710.93 When you have the same amount of button, you have to put in wi in your carton. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1714.13 1718.35 This is the most simple yeah, it is possible, but I've never seen one before. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1711.44 1714.13 And and less buttons than this isn't possible. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1711.94 1713.19 Yeah, yeah, 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1714.28 1715.36 No, no no. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1716.96 1717.33 But whe 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1718.78 1727.24 I've seen one uh one remote control with only the pu yeah, only with uh page up, page down and volume, but but 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1719.25 1719.91 No, really. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1720.78 1722.81 Yeah, without the numbers. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1722.81 1723.51 That's possible. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1725 1725.81 Yeah, uh 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1725.17 1726.53 Yeah, we could skip the numbers. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1728.99 1729.29 Really. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1726.57 1728.99 Yeah, but I d I wouldn't want to own that. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1729.18 1730.75 That's still four. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1729.59 1731.53 Uh, it's it's still for little children. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1731.53 1734.63 They can handle that remote control, but but it isn't fo 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1732.92 1733.31 Yeah. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1733.53 1736.55 Then uh, teletext would also be im impossible. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1736.04 1739.18 Yes, it's for it's li uh it's just for a little 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1737.71 1739.9 Yeah, that's no option, that's no option. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1748.27 1750.22 We'll give the buttons special colour. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1738.58 1740.73 Okay, we'll we'll just okay. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1750.22 1751.4 We'll give them a special form. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1745.58 1748.27 Tha w Le let's see th we have uh oh yeah, button supplements. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1740.73 1745.58 But then still, when we there's no room for a docking station or something. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1751.4 1759.24 Uh, I think we should mark the special form thing, because it this will be some special forms incorporated in these big buttons, I guess. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1759.05 1760.75 A special colour, why a special colour? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1766.68 1769.44 I think that's the what they mean by a special colour. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1769.44 1774.63 I think all the special colour things have to be marked over here, because that's what we were planning to do, making it 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1761.32 1766.68 Because the buttons will be uh d will be matching colour between the buttons and the rubber surroundings. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1763.94 1765.69 But wha what s what special? 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1766.58 1767.18 Otherwise, it 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1767.01 1767.81 Okay, yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1768.81 1770.19 Otherwise it would be the 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1768.82 1770.67 I don't think the special form is really true. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1768.89 1769.5 Uh, yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1775.68 1777.8 Special form also, it says. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1777.59 1780.7 Yeah, special material r also, because i has rubber. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1780.7 1781.98 And the buttons have to be rubber. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1777.95 1778.38 Is it? 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1783.23 1784.71 What is the normal material? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1785.97 1786.88 Yeah, I dunno. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1786.24 1786.71 Plastic. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1786.96 1788.33 Sh yeah. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1787.96 1788.76 Plastic, I think. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1790.66 1791.45 Oh, plastic. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1789.38 1790.66 Classic? 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1790.11 1790.58 Plastic. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1790.28 1790.91 Plastic. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1791.67 1795.12 'Kay, but the problem now is that the 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1796.38 1804.26 There's no such thing as a docking station in this list, but we can all imagine that it would be impossible to make a docking station for thirty cents. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1801.43 1801.75 Yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1804.56 1812.77 But we can uh sell the remote control and uh sell the docking station yes. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1812.77 1815.38 And and but we don't have to tell it 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1815.38 1823.51 but what we can say of can um almost make it impossible to buy a remote control without the docking station. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1811.24 1811.91 Separately. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1811.95 1813.06 Se no no no. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1828.1 1831.43 It uh but it then the docking station isn't relevant for this project anymore 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1825.72 1828.1 Yeah, but I do like the idea, but we yeah. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1822.62 1825.72 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1831.43 1836.95 but we can but then you still have to use we have to find out what chip we u need. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1831.71 1831.89 No. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1832.38 1834.91 No, but you otherwise you can't retrieve it. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1838.31 1839.34 Yeah, I really don't get it. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1839.34 1843.93 I mean if it's a simple chip, then we suddenly got two Euros and thirty cents. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1841.23 1842.4 I think we can agree on this. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1842.4 1845.82 I I think the special colour thing has to be uh marked. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1846.94 1851.29 'Cause I think we uh Yeah, I think that's what what what they uh mean 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1847.67 1848.66 Yeah, yep. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1850.52 1854.59 But for two Euros and thirty cents, we uh we don't get a docking station. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1851.37 1851.93 I think so, too. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1854.73 1855.36 Oh, I don't know. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1858.4 1864.21 Because when we don't need a d a docking station, then probably we also have only we also need a simple chip. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1856.07 1858.4 But can we find out uh about uh this chips? 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1865.15 1867.72 And then we can get a docking station. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1869.65 1872.9 Oh, n uh oh, still oh, it's gonna get more expensive with. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1875.13 1876.24 We can put then 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1866.75 1869.65 And maybe then we can do something extra. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1873.81 1875.13 Then we have some money left. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1872.9 1873.81 Two. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1869.5 1870.48 For 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1876.28 1877.29 For two Euros. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1877.4 1879.72 We can put a scroll-wheel on it or something. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1882.8 1887.68 I mean i i if you if it would cost two Euros, that had a total a total thing,
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1880 1882.8 Uh why? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1887.68 1892.2 it would be nice too, I mean uh we're not gonna add uh a trip to Hawaii to it. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1880.99 1882.82 Yeah, well who knows. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1882.82 1884.52 Or a little bit of tin titanium. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1890.5 1892.17 But what what can we do 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1891.7 1893.75 Yeah, or we can ki do the kinetic cells. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1893.75 1894.95 That's also maybe an idea. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1895.1 1900.38 But uh what can we do with the simple chip and what's difference with a regular chip and a advanced chip? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1899.75 1906.55 Maybe you can uh find it in your email right now, then we know then we exactly know what it will cost us. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1906.55 1908.71 Maybe is that that's nice to know. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1897.92 1899.75 Yeah that's what then what he has to find out. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1903.45 1904.19 If if i 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1909.75 1916.75 Regular chip and because we don't have uh special functions to use uh in advanced chip, for example. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1924.07 1931.94 then we still yeah, we need something else maybe to make it kind of special, because that was our our special feature. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1914.34 1924.07 Yeah, bu bu but when we yeah, but when we skip when we um when we don't use the do we're not gonna make the docking station,
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1916.66 1918.38 I like the hand dynamo part. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1931.34 1933.89 We can make a plain docking station for two Euros. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1933.89 1934.33 I mean 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1932.22 1932.55 Yeah. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1933.76 1936.27 We'll go back uh tomorrow. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1934.71 1936.89 Yeah, okay, you can also do that, but maybe 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1936.57 1938.05 Wi wi without recharge 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1937.9 1944.4 It still is a special remote control cons uh you know, wi its form is special and material. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1942.63 1948.96 Yeah, but but we can make a docking station for two Euros uh if you don't put the recharge function in it. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1948.96 1949.28 I mean, 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1951.3 1952.78 it has a shape. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1952.78 1954.17 Of course it has a shape, but i i 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1952.43 1958.62 Yeah, but for two Euros, then we have still maybe we have to use the advanced chip, then two Euros isn't even possible. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1961.3 1962.95 Why should that not be possible? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1963.19 1965.85 Yeah, then because then we'd thirty cents left. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1967.11 1971.96 No, for for the uh for the docking station if you do if you choose the simple chip. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1971.97 1977.25 Yeah, but yeah, I don't know, because maybe d uh yeah, we have to find out with the simple chip. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1977.2 1981.5 If we do i do we need an advanced chip, or is it okay f 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 1976.27 1977.2 That's the question. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 1980.49 1980.91 Yes. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1980.59 1983.13 Yeah, and w and and we uh need f and what is this? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1983.13 1985.03 Sample sensor sample speaker. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1981.49 1985.82 It isn't in my information, so I don't know it uh either. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1985.82 1988.81 It isn't in my information, I uh I I've got a 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 1991.26 1996.35 schematic view of the remote control, but nothing about uh advanced chips or 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 1999.83 2002.06 You can look at it for s presentation. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2005.29 2006.71 S technical functions? 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2006.91 2007.62 No. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2007.73 2011.95 Uh I've got here in uh I will put a I will put a page on it. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2008.46 2010.19 No no, they were uh mine, yeah. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2010.15 2010.36 Oh. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2014.04 2015.44 When my mouse works again. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2021.7 2022.51 Oh, oh oh. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2026.94 2027.15 Hey. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2028.83 2028.88 Oh. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2030.59 2031.86 My mouse is uh 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2032.19 2032.48 Dead. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2033.12 2033.54 Yes. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2034.14 2034.86 Reanimate it. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2034.85 2035.04 Oh. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2035.1 2035.47 Died. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2038.36 2039.94 Ah, I've got it. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2039.94 2040.92 I will put uh 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2042.05 2043.22 my email on the 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2045.41 2046.12 the network. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2054.98 2055.71 What the hell are these? 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2055.91 2056.4 It's on it. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2059.03 2059.71 Oh, whatever. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2061.51 2062.13 Yeah, it's open. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2080.19 2080.69 Mm. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2083.17 2085.36 I don't think here it's in here already. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2083.8 2084.69 It's circuit board. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2104.86 2108.19 It's only just basics for for 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2106.21 2107.81 It's nothing about s yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2109.9 2110.19 Yes. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2110.17 2112.91 At the end circuit there is an infrared LED. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2110.88 2112 This isn't helpful. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2112.29 2112.51 No. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2115.5 2120.41 But i in the presentation of yours, there was also something about different components. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2120.41 2120.98 Which one was it? 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2121.5 2122.51 Components design. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2122.19 2123.38 Functional requirements? 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2124.32 2124.94 Um 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2125.39 2126.73 No, that was my presentation. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2126.14 2127.48 Components design maybe. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2128.6 2129.87 Yes, that was mine. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2128.66 2129.38 N on top. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2129.92 2130.32 Ah. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2131.5 2132.53 Ah yes, it was the second one. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2133.53 2135.04 But that was my second 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2135.29 2137.88 Yeah, it was your second your first presentation. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2135.31 2136.29 It's already open. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2138.15 2138.92 It's at the bottom. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2140.04 2140.91 Working design. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2140.42 2140.63 Sorry? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2141.29 2143.07 It's uh at your task bar. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2143.63 2145.35 Yeah, but it's the the other one. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2146.26 2146.55 Oh. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2146.92 2147.55 Mm 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2147.64 2151.61 Uh, this is n this is not this n that's not the right one. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2151.61 2152.37 I don't oh. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2147.64 2150.1 Was it working design or components design? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2148.35 2148.6 Sorry. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2152.64 2153.17 Okay, sorry. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2158.87 2163.21 Or maybe something is uh maybe there's something abo in in these 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2156.98 2158.87 No, this is the other one. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2165.27 2165.73 Chip set. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2166.69 2167.98 But this is the same uh 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2169.16 2171.21 This is o only the possibilities. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2172.06 2172.37 Here. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2175.07 2175.41 Yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2176.48 2179.75 We can use a simple, a regular, or advanced chip. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2180.08 2182.17 Yeah, nice. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2182.17 2183.63 I it doesn't say anything. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2182.11 2184.69 The display requires an advanced chip. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2183.19 2192.05 You know that a push-button requires a simple chip, but a scroll-wheel, it it me requires Okay, so we only need a simple chip. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2187.21 2187.92 Ah, okay. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2190.79 2191.52 Requires. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2193.05 2193.59 With the light. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2196.44 2200.12 Yeah, but that that's just the same as the the LED. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2195.19 2196.44 Little lights. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2199.12 2200.52 No no, that's just a simple chip. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2201.81 2202.54 That's not needed. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2209.28 2210.73 So, we don't need any of them. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2202.27 2209.28 A scroll-wheel it s uh only states that a scroll-wheel requires a regular chip, and that a display requires an advanced chip. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2209.94 2213.57 A display uh is, of course, uh for showing letters. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2213.57 2214.86 For showing text. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2214.86 2218.46 I don't think that uh just a l a little light 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2212.27 2212.92 L. C. D. . 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2214.48 2214.81 Yeah. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2216.12 2216.44 No. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2220.01 2223.36 I think uh the uh normal uh simple chip will be okay. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2222.54 2223.73 Yeah, I agree. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2223.82 2226.58 And what's the sample sensor slash sample speaker? 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2230.35 2236.48 Maybe you can say against the remote uh page uh f uh page up, page down. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2234.12 2234.46 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2236.04 2237.42 Yeah, I guess so too. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2237.6 2238.58 Yeah, true. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2239.51 2240.21 Next channel. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2239.54 2241.3 Well, that's not too what we want. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2242.65 2244.34 Well, we might want it, but 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2241.59 2242.65 No. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2245.67 2245.92 Okay. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2245.97 2248.61 All in twelve Euros. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2247.83 2249.21 Back to the costs. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2250.39 2250.67 Yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2250.55 2252.17 Twelve Euros and fifty cents. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2252.79 2254.71 So we're gonna use the simple chip. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2253.04 2254.63 So, simple chip is okay. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2256.19 2256.94 Delete. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2255.17 2256.19 Great. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2256.94 2257.19 Yeah. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2258.04 2259.28 Where uh are the lights? 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2257.27 2258.04 And the lights. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2259.31 2261.23 Yeah, lights, yeah, there's no 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2262.02 2263.08 Well, there're three, I guess. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2263.07 2263.71 category. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2267.53 2269.37 Nah, there is some money left to be spent. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2270.46 2273.06 Can we do it wi within two two Euro? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2274.09 2274.32 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2271.5 2274.09 I think we can make a docking station. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2296.27 2301.83 But what w is there some extra maybe I think maybe the kinetic thing is something. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2279.25 2289.35 But I mean it isn't it hasn't got any innovative technology, we aren't gonna apply any uh innovated innovative te technology anyway, I think. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2273.17 2279.25 Okay, but what we have to think about now is that is is it still a special remote control? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2289.35 2296.27 I don't I don't see any possibility to do so, because it would wouldn't fit our defi design philosophy. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2289.11 2289.5 Mm-hmm. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2294.08 2295.21 But it's original. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2296.34 2297.13 No, that's true. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2312.75 2314.69 Maybe we if we put the kinetic thing in it 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2303.01 2312.75 Instead of the rechargeable the rechargeable thing was something to um know, so y so people wouldn't have to worry about their batteries anymore. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2310.23 2310.4 M bu 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2313.92 2316.33 But but sometimes you put a 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2320.14 2321.16 I mean if you u 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2315.73 2320.14 Yeah, you leave the p yeah, I know, but still I they will think about that. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2320.84 2325.46 Kinetics aren't uh nowadays only used in watches and that's because you're always walking. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2323.96 2331.83 The uh it's made for s people well, the they don't if it was uh uh r useless technology, they wouldn't put it uh as a possibility. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2353.14 2359.01 Because it's one it gets thrown around thrown around a lot and it gets used a lot 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2351.89 2353.14 then it would be this one. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2331.83 2343.35 And i it it th th the the target the target uh group are people who zap regularly and throw with their remote control as a matter of speaking. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2343.35 2351.89 Because I think it when when there w was a remote control where it was useful to have a kinetic uh uh power source 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2331.21 2332.75 Uh solar cells are useless. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2332.58 2334.29 Or the hand dynamo dynamo 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2342.48 2343 Yeah. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2361.67 2364.21 Hey that maybe that's cool that's a cool thing about it, you know. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2364.21 2365.16 You don't use batteries. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2365.16 2367.01 I've never seen it before in a remote control. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2362.3 2363.91 Yeah, but but if we ca 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2369.44 2370.29 I don't know if 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2369.58 2372.19 But then we could make a docking station. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2373.31 2374 Five minutes. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2374 2376.3 No, we we we can't make a docking station anyway. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2377.07 2377.76 That's not true. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2378.26 2382.38 Yeah, we can als or uh also m we we can make one we can still make 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2380.28 2382.32 We can make a docking station for two thirty. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2380.58 2384.08 Wow, w why no li Look at now, we got two 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2384.79 2385.38 Two thirty. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2384.8 2388.65 Fo for a docking station. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2388.65 2393.96 With a cable, with uh buttons on it, with retrieval uh device in it. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2385.44 2386.82 two thirty left. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2386.82 2388.63 Ca can't we make a docking station of that? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2388.21 2388.48 Sure. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2386.57 2388.21 We can make a docking station. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2391.23 2391.48 Sure. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2393.3 2393.96 I don't know. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2396.35 2398.71 That's just a regular uh power cable and whatever. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2393.92 2396.35 The power device is is i i is very cheap. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2398.36 2403.69 Yeah, but be serious, then uh the docking station will be a fifth of the price of the remote control. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2399.67 2402.76 Wi with a button to 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2401.04 2402.42 Well, we we uh 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2403.8 2404.15 So. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2403.89 2407.28 wi with a button to retrieve it, so it will beep. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2407.28 2410.67 Uh, so it's uh wireless technology. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2407.96 2408.13 Yeah. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2409.19 2415.88 Yeah, but we uh we don't inc we haven't looked at the these costs of the speaker and other stuff. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2417.75 2419.67 I don't think it's realistic for you to do so. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2419.95 2421.83 Well then it's a useless project. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2422.91 2426.31 Look at the case, the case the case of of uh of uh 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2423.44 2424.9 Oh, because we 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2425.78 2428.52 Yeah, then we don't have any innovation things. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2434.88 2439.84 Uh maybe it with the kinetic thing, I think we could do uh do a compromise uh with the kim kinetic thing. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2432.66 2434.88 It th this is whole concept. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2426.94 2429.83 We well look at all the special stuff we have. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2429.83 2432.66 Colour a the colours are special, the form is special. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2434.53 2435.78 Can't we uh 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2438.89 2440.25 Can't we say fifteen Euros? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2440.99 2443.04 Uh, no. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2442.06 2443.55 No, sta yeah I mean 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2444.06 2446.1 No, then we have to sell it for thirty Euros. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2447.02 2447.28 No. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2448.19 2450.76 No, we only make less profit of it. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2448.44 2449.41 It's the 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2451.31 2452.96 You can sell for twenty seven and a half. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2454.35 2459.08 Then you make as much profit as you would with twelve and a half production costs. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2455.95 2456.28 No. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2459.31 2465.22 Yeah, I don my suggestion is to just forget about the whole docking station thing and make it uh like a 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2466.51 2470.79 Uh uh I I I I still fee I also feel this concept of making it kinetic, 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2471.92 2475.39 because of the you know, it g it gives something dynamic to the remote control. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2472.96 2473.74 I don't think 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2473.48 2475.5 Maybe we can uh can do it both. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2475.5 2478.96 Maybe we can do it both uh in the in the in the remote. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2478.96 2480.27 Battery and kinetic. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2481.21 2481.51 No. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2481.77 2483.51 No, that wouldn't n no. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2483.87 2484.69 Thirteen twenty. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2488.01 2492.92 Yeah, and it is also not a good it's not you have to really do it only kinetic, you don't want it to think about batteries anymore. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2489.73 2490.73 And I think only 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2492.96 2498.12 Yes, but when it's then when it then you have to shake it uh and all when it's when it's empty. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2493.39 2495.61 Yeah, but only kinetic, then you gotta 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2494.88 2495.55 No no. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2498.51 2499.61 Yeah, it's great. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2498.54 2502.75 You you gotta throw uh throw it through the room like twenty times an hour, really. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2502.02 2503.52 No no no. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2503.52 2506.48 No no, this is very sophisticated technology technology. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2506.48 2511.11 When you use it your remote like once a day, or maybe even less i i it 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2506.65 2507.81 You asked for three d 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2512.17 2515.54 Uh, a watch is uh kinetic because you walk all the time. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2510.75 2512.17 No, that's n that's not true. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2512.4 2512.63 No. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2516.23 2521.17 Becau be but a remote control gets why do they state that this technology can be used if it 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2513.87 2516.23 It We can make it yeah no. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2520.36 2522.39 Yes, solar cells are also stated. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2522.87 2527.89 Yeah, m but a w uh uh n uh a calculator also works on r on solar cells. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2527.05 2529.09 Why don't we use solar cells then? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2542.35 2547.04 then people find the idea funny that when I move my remote control around and 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2529.98 2536.65 Because I think the d whole dynamic part, do you know, appeals to me qui uh thinking of our design philosophy, you know,
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2536.65 2542.35 with the rubber parts and uh sturdiness of the thing, and y when you move it around a lot 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2545.71 2546.37 That's true. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2547.78 2553.62 I guess something like that, where you have to move it around very frequently, is demotivating. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2546.75 2547.78 Yeah, it's funny for a week. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2556.28 2559.48 The idea of this technology is that you don't think about it, it just happens. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2553.04 2555.84 Yeah, but you don't have to. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2555.84 2556.28 Trust me. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2560.42 2564.84 No, I I don't move my uh my remote control very much, seriously. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2570.71 2572.31 You have to make people buy it and uh 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2568.25 2570.71 You m have to put something on your box. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2562.67 2568.25 Okay, then we d Okay, well y we don't have to do it, but what that would just have a lack of key features, you know. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2562.71 2562.96 Oui. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2574.48 2579.61 We can really can do the docking thing, uh it's not yeah, uh we can do it, but it's would be a easy way out. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2578.12 2581.81 You can do it for fifty cents. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2582.67 2584.66 Well, we've got more than fifty Cents. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2584.59 2588.03 The c The case the case alone is is is uh 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2585.08 2589.12 Okay, but we have to grou to agree upon something, because uh we only have a minute left or so. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2588.96 2592.9 the case alone for uh remote control is at least one Euro. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2594.04 2597.46 Then we have one Euro thirty for the whole docking station. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2596.35 2597.41 No no, it's not possible. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2598.75 2603.46 Okay, w b we can s we can leave it on be well then then th it's this is then then our concept is ready. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2606.17 2607.12 Cheap remote control. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2609.87 2612.94 Yeah, we make some extra profit of it. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2613.51 2616.71 No, we won't, but that's um something else. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2616.71 2619.07 No, this not gonna sell. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2612.73 2613.51 Yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2619.07 2619.27 No. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2614.75 2615.33 But now 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2615.11 2618.66 It w it won't tell, but 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2618.92 2619.8 Huh, any ideas? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2620.62 2621.15 Of course not. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2623.29 2624.29 No, uh, n no 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2624.55 2626.05 Great. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2626.05 2626.69 It's great. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2631.82 2633.04 You have to do it over. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2627.55 2631.82 Yeah, we just have to go all what we did today again. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2627.85 2628.84 Our remote control. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2633.4 2634.7 We come back tomorrow, okay? 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2635.85 2636.47 the 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2634.67 2635.85 Yeah. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2639.66 2647.01 I mean we're gonna it's gonna excel in in on in the the range in the field of design and and uh looks and feel. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2635.12 2639.66 No no uh there's still there's still someth concept and something special left. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2635.22 2635.56 Yes. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2636.51 2637.56 Seventy Euros. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2641.94 2642.95 No, but no. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2648.36 2650.24 That's what it's makes it special. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2652.68 2656.79 Yeah, and I would li I would have liked a kinetic part as well, to give it some 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2661.99 2667.36 but uh it's it's an They're they're not putting technologies on this, but if it if it was impossible to 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2657.88 2661.99 just to give it some extra special feature, and uh I know it will work,
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2668.66 2669.45 to make it happen. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2669.87 2671.31 Why not a hand dynamo then? 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2675.03 2677.04 Okay, well we leave it like this. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2677.04 2678.55 Then it's c then we're yeah. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2677.76 2678.88 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2678.68 2680.12 We can't do anything else. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2680.12 2681.57 Warning, finish meeting now. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2682.76 2683.24 We're done. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2687.85 2693 Okay, project e uh well, we were gonna what look take a look at the last sheet. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2688.38 2688.92 Is this it? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2689.98 2690.87 Yeah, sure. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2691.88 2692.23 Okay. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2693.72 2694.25 No, we can't. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2695.28 2697.55 Yeah, we have to Yeah, it's 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2697.31 2700.21 No. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2703.63 2704.5 Yes, yes. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2705.59 2707.16 I don't see why, but 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2704.5 2705.59 Celebration. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2704.06 2704.52 Yes. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2706.56 2707.58 Where's the champagne? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2708.4 2710.84 I think we gotta fill out another questionnaire, to be honest. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2711.08 2711.37 Yeah? 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2711.54 2713.11 I don't uh hear a bell. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2713.37 2713.92 No, not yet. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2719.18 2721.14 Alright, I'll see you guys in a minute. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2719.64 2720.71 We can do it here then. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2721.96 2722.37 Bye. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2723.27 2724.04 I don't think so. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2723.32 2724.37 Can we can't we do it here? 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2725.04 2726.43 I don't know. 
TS3008d H03 MTD032ME 2726.43 2727.54 I don't I don't think so. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2736.69 2736.87 Uh-huh. 
TS3008d H02 MTD030ID 2738.17 2739.3 Just fill that one in. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2754.76 2755.87 But it's. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2753.19 2754.76 Yeah, we're doing now. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2759.29 2760.18 Oh, okay. 
TS3008d H00 MTD029PM 2766.02 2766.72 Uh, I don't know. 
TS3008d H01 MTD031UID 2766.23 2766.82 Nice. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 8.61 8.99 I dunno. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 11.36 14.36 Throwing away my toothpick. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 17.48 18.16 Hi there. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 22.91 23.49 Yo. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 26.87 27.32 Ow. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 42.58 42.91 'Kay. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 48.71 49.9 Uh 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 50.95 52.18 Nice user interface. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 52.49 52.82 Yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 53.94 54.65 What the 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 55.13 55.94 Uh 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 65.69 67.34 I've uh made a presentation 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 60.52 65.69 Yeah well, ja well let's just start. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 64.95 65.16 'Kay. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 68.15 68.94 Right let's see it. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 68.58 73.66 uh but uh I'll open it on the Smartboard, so we can all see it. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 75.51 79.28 So it's in the project documents because that's what we can find here. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 82.28 85.57 Well. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 85.57 86.07 Very nice. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 90.13 98.99 So uh I'm the Project Manager, so I had to fill it in, and uh hmm. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 87.27 90.13 Well this is called the the the kick-off meeting. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 94.32 94.49 'Kay. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 102.51 103.27 Oh sorry. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 107.09 108.92 And an uh a nice agenda. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 110.26 112.7 Uh we'll do the opening and then uh 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 113.91 119.18 we'll meet each other, what uh we already do, so, that's not uh very much trouble. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 119.18 120.34 I'll I'll show you the 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 121.44 125.33 the tools we have here, so that we can all use them. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 125.33 130.19 Then uh we'll look at the project plan from uh Real Reaction. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 131.53 137.32 We'll discuss about our first ideas about the project, and then uh we'll close the meeting 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 137.32 143.02 and then we can uh individually uh do our things and then uh we'll get back here. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 143.02 145.79 So this the opening we'll uh 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 151.27 153.94 You have heard that uh already I think, so. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 147.97 151.27 We have to uh design a new television remote control. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 153.94 158.33 Um we want it to be original, so a nice uh a nice new design. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 153.41 153.68 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 159.43 165.85 Uh trendy, it's also for young people, and we have to just uh make it uh modern. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 171.86 172.41 And uh 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 167.46 171.86 And uh friendly, so size does matter. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 175.46 182.15 Well it has to be a have the the right uh the right buttons on the right place, that kin those kind of things. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 180.91 181.19 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 185.02 185.68 Other uh 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 189.82 193.49 functional, conceptual, and d detailed design. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 186.84 189.82 There happen to be uh three stages. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 194.69 203.39 Um so every time we we'll do some individual work, get meeting, talk about it, uh and then go into the next phase. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 204.5 205.08 That's just it. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 207.76 208.43 Um 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 209.75 212.01 We have uh these two Smartboards. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 220.18 222.87 It just works exactly the same as a computer. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 213.2 220.18 Um well as I just showed, there's a project management folder, a project document folder on the desktop. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 228.9 231.57 So you can uh make uh Words Excel, everything. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 222.87 228.9 You just uh click on the on the folder and you open the everything you you put in it with your laptop. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 239.96 242.13 you can uh draw. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 232.77 239.96 Um and the w the r uh the rest uh also works the same so uh when you open a notepad you uh you just get your uh things 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 242.13 245.46 This is a uh well a drawing board. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 246.81 249.79 you have a these 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 254.8 255.58 You can see them there. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 251.01 254.8 different uh functions on the board. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 256.82 261.58 So you have a a nice pen, and it's works just like a bal ball pen. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 261.58 262.94 This is just a. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 264.17 264.91 I want to uh 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 266.58 269.11 Of course w doesn't work any more. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 266.1 266.58 Oh yeah. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 271.86 272.41 Yeah. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 272.41 272.83 It works. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 266.24 271.86 Maybe you should try to write on the on the big white uh Does it? 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 271.87 275.05 Yes I will eraser so. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 274.94 277.45 Wonderful. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 278.38 281.72 We can uh uh well you can save a file. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 284.19 285.33 Don't throw anything away. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 276.37 278.38 It's fantas fantastic. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 281.72 284.19 So if uh we draw we have to save everything. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 285.93 286.23 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 286.72 289.32 Uh just we can start a new one, 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 293.25 295.29 Just uh let them all uh stand here. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 290.55 293.25 and we just go on, and don't throw anything away. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 298.55 302.14 Um you can here select a pen, you can draw anything you want. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 314.98 318.27 Well it's just like a normal uh 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 302.14 305.52 It's a bit uh childish you have to write. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 305.52 314.98 It's not as fast as you w you know it, but it does work sometimes. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 296.42 298.55 We can delete, but we don't do that. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 320.14 321.32 So it's gone. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 319.44 320.14 paint. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 320.2 322 Alright, yep. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 330.07 332.73 Um well this uh speaks for itself. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 327.41 330.07 So that's fantastic. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 323 327.41 Well we are designers, so we have to have a a more uh a Smartboard. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 335.86 336.86 We going to try it. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 349.47 354.73 So um I'm to going to have to draw a kangaroo, but I'm going d I'm not going to. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 338.16 347.55 So um we all uh are going to uh draw a nice animal on this board, not my idea. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 347.55 349.47 Yes our your favourite. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 354.73 357.56 I'm just uh going to uh well draw a nice uh 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 345.58 349.11 Alright, your favourite animal? 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 358.83 362.24 Grizzly bear. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 359.2 361.98 beast w I dunno what I'm going to design. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 361.98 367.5 Oh um doesn't oh. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 367.12 373.97 I hope this was part of the assignment and not uh your uh I hope this was part of the assignment and not uh your personal uh enjoyment. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 368.14 368.92 Yeah, 'kay. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 370.23 370.45 Hmm? 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 373.54 378.57 I just said it's not my idea but I am the Project Manager, and officially this is my idea. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 378.57 382.53 So what? 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 374.39 374.67 Yeah. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 380.22 380.82 Alright. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 378.29 380.22 I I I I understand. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 380.07 381.33 We're kinda losing time, though. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 382.61 384.38 We're losing time, but 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 383.75 392.97 Ah the first the first meeting is just a bit uh loose, loosen up, a bit uh meeting each other well uh uh nice yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 392.97 393.19 Sh 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 383.96 385.29 so start 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 387.73 387.97 Alright. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 391.23 392.69 Yep yes. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 395.38 399.4 I hope our Industrial Designer does this better because uh this is uh 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 399.09 400.21 Don't uh count on it. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 400.66 407.09 No so a a few legs. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 406.58 408.07 Do we have to guess? 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 408.07 414.09 A hippo? 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 414.09 414.77 Yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 410.89 415.52 Well I should make it an hippo now. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 408.04 410.89 Yes yes guess. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 411.22 416.67 I think it's a mouse or a rat. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 416.29 417.94 No I don't think so. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 418.13 418.39 Oh. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 419.78 420.43 Oh I know it. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 422.52 423.21 Well what is it, huh? 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 423.09 424.19 It's a hedgehog. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 424.59 427.13 A hedgehog? 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 423.2 424.59 I don't know how to call it. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 424.49 428.07 Yeah difficult English word. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 428.07 431.06 I didn't knew it myself. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 430.68 436.2 Well I'm amazed uh about your uh drawing skills. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 438.34 445.01 Well it's uh very uh painful those kind of thing. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 445.01 447.39 So we can uh just uh 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 435.72 438.34 Our characteristics sum it up. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 447.05 447.93 Yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 449.46 456.05 We're going back and now uh our Industrial Designer can uh draw its uh most favourite animal. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 456.05 456.21 Huh. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 452.1 454.31 I am the Industrial Designer. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 452.32 452.7 Alright. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 455.01 456.64 Thank you. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 457.59 459.44 Chief, I am the Industrial Designer. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 459.67 461.53 Oh uh but this uh marketing designer. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 461.89 462.02 Yeah. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 464.06 466 I think 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 467.51 472.85 It's pr it resembles the animal drawn by. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 473.07 478.95 what kind of animal is that then? 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 474.8 476.59 It's. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 479.24 480.96 I think can I say it? 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 481.68 482.87 Yeah sure. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 482.49 486.59 Uh it. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 487.94 489.77 It's a rabbit. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 489.77 490.06 Well 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 491.19 492.29 Looks very nice, right? 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 492.36 492.5 Yeah. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 492.93 493.97 It looks amazing. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 495.7 496.46 What are you going to do? 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 494.56 495.7 No no no. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 497.3 499.48 We want to erase it. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 498.34 499.67 No no. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 499.67 502.14 No no save it and start a new uh save it 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 502.61 503.13 Yes. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 502.76 503.97 These are very impor 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 503.24 505.53 and start a new black uh doc a blank document. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 504.8 508.08 These are very important documents, of course, uh these drawings, uh 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 507.07 510.03 Yeah well we have to save everything so now um the next one uh 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 507.55 509.04 Yes uh right. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 511.23 514.92 and then save it and start an blank document. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 511.36 511.87 You go man. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 511.79 513.03 Thanks. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 520.6 523.77 Yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 523.77 526.89 There's also different colours and different uh 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 528.52 533.04 well pen widths uh the line the the thickness thickness. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 533.04 536.57 So um well you should uh try it but uh 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 533.04 533.29 Alright. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 537.05 540.52 I should have made mine a white rabbit. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 539.01 541 Well y y y you could have but uh. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 540.92 544.37 And he deliberately draws a animal we don't know the English word for. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 542.13 543.16 It speaks for itself. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 544.32 549.44 What the uh just a duck. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 546.55 547.93 It looks like an uh 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 549.55 551.55 It looks like that beast from Sesame Street. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 551.55 556.24 Nice. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 554.21 554.5 Yeah. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 555.13 556.72 Big bird. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 560.16 560.83 Is it a duck? 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 562.63 563.79 Alright, thank you. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 563.79 566.29 Yeah it's a bird, but what kind of bird? 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 560.26 562.63 You're standing in front of it, I can't see it. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 561.03 562.12 It's it's uh 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 561.87 563.12 Is it a plane? 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 568.54 572.21 It doesn't draw uh circles uh that easy uh. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 570.04 571.12 Do we have to uh 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 572.26 573.21 You have to push harder. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 573.38 575.42 Yeah just a bit a bit childish, a bit. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 574.22 574.74 Mm. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 576.98 582.19 But we have uh do we have to name the specific species of the bird? 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 577.7 578.35 Release your anger. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 582.76 584.09 Uh no I don't. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 584.09 585.04 It's just a bird. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 583.3 583.62 No? 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 586.36 587.13 Well wonderful. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 586.38 588.54 Well uh save the document and then uh 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 593.38 595.11 And then a a new blank document for. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 603.2 605.86 No well first yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 611.4 619.46 And a new pen width uh also format. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 596.81 603.2 uh will uh choose a new colour and a new pen width so w we can all see it. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 605.86 611.4 And then you go to format I think, and current colour you choose a new colour. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 597.85 598.35 Here you go. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 600.82 603.01 Why do I have to do the difficult tasks? 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 603.01 605.52 Uh pen yeah that's. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 609.05 609.92 Uh current colour. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 615.28 617.38 Oh b oh think this is uh 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 611.91 615.28 I like uh oh they don't have pink. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 612.77 613.1 Mm. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 622.3 623.32 Line width. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 624.74 625.97 Width width. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 625.97 626.66 With each other. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 623.32 624.74 And you can choose a nice one. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 620.63 622.3 It's not like in paint. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 622.16 622.36 Uh 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 622.01 622.16 Uh? 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 623.89 624.52 Line width. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 624.52 625.05 Width. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 628.67 629.53 And I can draw? 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 625.91 628.67 Uh fifteen. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 628.91 629.21 Hmm. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 629.72 629.94 Yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 635.45 638.57 Just a wa that's the way we do it's quite easy. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 633.1 635.45 So. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 635.64 636.33 Uh 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 639.82 640.22 Hmm. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 644.04 645.8 Oh Pussy. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 641.04 644.04 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 641.66 642.51 It's a pussy cat. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 642.71 643.4 It's a cat. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 645.52 649 Oh the line width is too thick, but oh well. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 648.66 649.78 Well then you change it. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 651.12 652.04 And erase things. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 653.75 654.45 Uh. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 656.28 663.99 What? 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 663.99 665.94 Super pig. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 657.57 663.65 It's a pig. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 661.25 662.32 It smiles nicely. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 665.14 667.19 Now I have to change the line width. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 671.15 672.47 Uh one. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 673.12 673.4 So 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 674.28 675.68 These are whiskers, you know. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 674.73 677.19 Yeah yeah yeah we know. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 676.29 676.69 Right. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 677.81 680.67 Uh well I think it's obvious right now. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 682.7 683.88 It's a cat. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 680.8 682.7 Yes alright. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 686.95 687.65 No it looks great. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 691.72 692.56 Miaow. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 693.78 695.64 Well if this isn't obvious 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 696.76 698.04 Well well um 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 699.09 701.61 Just save it. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 700.11 703.24 I'll save it alright uh save. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 700.32 705.25 Yeah save it and start a new blank document. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 706.66 708.17 Uh yeah uh blank. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 714.05 717.1 Well it's terrific, eh? 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 709.19 714.05 So that's uh what we're going to use when we uh need it. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 708.4 709.19 Yep. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 715.28 716.27 Thanks for this exercise. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 712.6 715.28 Well I feel comfortable now. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 713.25 713.94 Oh great. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 718.48 722.42 It's good for group spirit. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 718.63 720.14 I feel totally at ease. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 727.4 729.55 Well then uh the serious uh stuff. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 723.19 727.4 We're one big happy family now. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 719.84 723.19 Yeah that's it. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 720.46 723 It certainly is. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 726.13 727.33 Yeah something like that. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 738.55 741.2 but uh twenty five Euros. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 731.04 738.55 We're we want to sell it at twenty five Euros internationally um so um but we dunno what exactly th i it is in dollars 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 742.29 746.57 Our profit aim is, worldwide, fifty million Euros. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 747.58 747.87 So 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 747.94 754.92 So I didn't uh exactly uh calculate how much we have to sell. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 754.92 760.8 we want to keep it our costs at twelve and a half Euros so,
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 760.8 768.41 keep uh that in mind when we uh talk about our uh materials an f and stuff, and uh marketing uh research. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 765.58 765.81 Right. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 765.69 766.03 Alright. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 779.77 785.17 first about design uh about uh aim in the market 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 771.46 779.77 Now then we all uh we can uh sit down and discuss uh what do we think about our current remote controls 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 793.04 796.09 We can uh take notes and uh 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 786.45 787.84 etcetera? 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 787.84 793.04 Well uh we c we can sit down uh because uh presentation can wait. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 787.17 787.37 Right. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 797.34 802.56 Well who has uh some uh remarks about the current uh remote controls? 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 809.32 813.66 it's it's not my task to uh talk about uh experience with current remote controls, but uh 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 805.01 809.32 Well I I didn't have to prepare anything about uh it's not,
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 805.17 806 Please? 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 808.15 809.93 No uh I did. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 813.89 818.04 Well uh just w we're uh four uh if we if we would just have one then 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 816.5 821.82 I think it's im it's important to uh look at uh the remote controls of our competitors. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 822.29 822.43 Yeah. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 822.89 828.19 Get the good points uh try to merge them into one universal remote control. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 835.63 838.62 Maybe it's important to make it compatible with the D. V. D. player 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 828.19 835.63 On our corporate site I saw uh a new D. V. D. player uh we're gonna produce. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 827.73 828.01 Yeah yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 834.84 834.98 Yep. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 836.04 836.63 That's alright. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 839.38 840.78 That would be a nice idea, yes. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 840.76 846.01 so you can uh use your television and your D. V. D. player with the same uh remote control. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 845.57 846.16 Yep yep yep. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 847.67 859.53 Furthermore it's important to make it uh acceptable for the whole world, for different cultures, maybe, because we want to we want to well fifty million? 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 860.11 862.86 Yes fifty million is our aim to a profit, so. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 860.67 860.94 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 861.84 865.41 Yeah yeah so a lot of people have to be able to use it. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 865.72 873.01 No but uh the b the buttons have to uh have to have uh international recognisable buttons and uh 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 866.18 866.98 So 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 867.17 868 Easy to learn. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 868.23 868.47 Yeah. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 873.67 874.11 Yeah that's right. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 874.08 874.32 Yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 874.34 874.69 Yes. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 874.37 880.44 and numbers and uh that every culture in uh, yeah, people in every country can recognise. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 879.58 879.81 Yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 890.3 891.17 Well yeah? 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 882.11 890.3 I'll make uh notes and then uh maybe uh well I'll put it in the project uh folder when I'm done uh just now. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 889.28 889.65 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 889.78 890.33 Alright. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 893.22 897.96 Modern day uh remotes have too much buttons I think. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 889.96 893.22 I also think we should not add too many buttons. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 890.52 890.76 Right. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 893.43 894.97 No that's right. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 896.04 901.44 Y y you don't use uh the half of them that's that's culture uh international. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 898.82 899.42 Precisely. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 902.13 909.23 Maybe we could make one button to switch between D. V. D. player and T. V. and make the other buttons uh multi-functional or something. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 905.95 906.21 Yeah. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 908.98 910.18 Yeah indeed. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 909.35 909.72 Yes. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 909.35 913.69 Yeah so it doesn't uh become too complicated with too much buttons and uh 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 913.14 913.49 Yeah right. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 919.67 921.68 Don't we have uh other uh ou 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 913.64 919.67 Yep, and maybe we do uh we even have uh more than just a D. V. D. player. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 921.43 925.81 Yeah we should make it compatible perhaps with everything we use, we uh we make? 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 923.03 925.78 And stereo uh s uh audio installations. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 923.18 923.33 Uh. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 924.41 929.11 We also uh just uh released a T. F. T. uh thing I saw. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 927.99 932.64 Yeah so but th that's kind kind of standard T. television so it also works on that. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 930.97 931.29 Yeah. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 931.48 931.9 Yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 933.06 933.27 Yep. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 940.42 942.47 So we can keep that in mind. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 934.17 940.42 And I think the people who who will buy our uh remote already have some experience with remotes. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 941.78 942.89 Most people do, yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 943.37 943.93 Well yeah. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 944.29 946.57 It doesn't it doesn't have to be 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 945.31 947.65 It doesn't have to be, but we can. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 946.92 953.47 W well it's a n it's a new remote and you don't buy a remote if you don't have anything to uh to control with it. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 952.54 956.57 Well except if we deliver it together with our D. V. D. . 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 953.58 953.93 Yeah but 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 955.89 956.32 Yeah. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 956.55 958.05 Yeah alright, but 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 956.95 960.04 We need to to keep it consistent with other d uh 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 959.33 965.13 Yeah because we look at competitors and w if we pick up the good things about that and give it a nice design 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 959.64 959.92 Well. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 965.4 965.67 Hmm. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 966.21 968.92 Yeah but it's it has to be useable. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 967.59 969.45 It has to be different and familiar at the same time. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 969.7 969.97 Yes. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 970.16 970.41 Yeah. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 971.43 976.51 Yeah we could use another form or shape or colour, that kind of things. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 970.39 971.43 Yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 972.61 972.72 Yep. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 987.88 989.69 but that's not uh very recognisable. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 977.55 987.88 I thought about uh like most uh remote controls uh are uh a long box shaped thing you can make it uh triangle shaped 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 975.05 977.55 yeah the shape will will have to be recognised. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 985.67 985.85 Yeah. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 987.59 989.84 No. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 988.31 991.96 Well we we could make more more oval or something, and and 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 988.89 989.04 Oo 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 991 992.18 Oval? 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 994.53 1004.35 So one hand has the beer, so the other hand uh 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 992.27 994.53 N we can use uh it as a as a game pad. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 992.71 993.05 I 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 992.89 993.6 Yeah or so 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 995.09 995.54 Mm. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 995.47 997 Well yeah it's new. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 997.43 999.9 Not with two hands. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1001.33 1002.85 Yeah yeah yeah, right. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1002.85 1003.93 No 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1002.94 1006.06 but young people want something different and it is 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1006.12 1012.86 Well i we already uh one of our aims is that it has to be original and trendy so 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1006.76 1009.71 Yeah but it's quite important that it fits. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1011.19 1011.66 Yeah. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1011.25 1011.47 Yeah. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1014.7 1017.63 But you still have to know it's a remote and not another 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1011.52 1014.7 Oh but it ha it has to be m yeah. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1017.72 1018.33 Yeah alright. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1024.65 1029.4 So the the form will have been uh tested out so 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1017.88 1024.65 Well there has been done a lot of researches about remotes uh we have to we can imagine uh because it's a long time uh on the market. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1024.84 1025.07 Yeah. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1028.97 1032.83 Yeah so the long box uh shaped thing must be uh, yeah, useful 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1033.28 1033.59 Yes. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1034.39 1036.57 or else uh they would have been ano another shape. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1034.48 1048.38 Well for me personally I have a a lot of remotes uh at home but those ones that have a a round ending and uh well uh just an uh square uh middle I don't like to use them. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1048.38 1051.92 I have uh have to it has to fit my hands. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1051.92 1056.96 When it falls over it and I just have and then the button that I use most has to be here. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1051.33 1051.56 Yeah. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1051.89 1052.35 Yeah. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1054.44 1055.49 It shouldn't be boxy. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1054.76 1055.88 Yeah. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1057.86 1060.14 You have to use one hand. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1055.88 1057.86 Yeah a lo the long box shape yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1058.72 1063.72 It f it fits your hands and then you just push the button that you use most with thumb. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1059.4 1059.99 Nah 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1062.39 1067.03 I don't agree with the long box uh shape it it has to be custom made for the hand. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1064.56 1064.97 Why not? 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1067.7 1068.99 Yeah it doesn't fit. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1068.56 1071.71 Tho tho those new D. V. D. players on the market do have those. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1068.67 1068.98 Yeah. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1069.7 1073.79 But it does fit in the hand if you hold it like this, and you can make it another shape, but then you have 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1072.13 1073.33 Yeah but if you shape it 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1073.93 1085.61 No if y if you look at new Phillips uh D. V. D. with their uh remotes pl players they they are the new remotes aren't box shaped. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1085.61 1086.59 They're all um 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1074.26 1074.52 If 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1079.76 1081.15 Yes. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1079.08 1079.76 D. V. D. players. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1085.4 1086.51 W no w what else? 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1086.51 1086.79 I di 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1085.96 1087.8 No that's ol old fashioned. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1087.05 1087.55 Well 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1088.2 1088.51 Yeah. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1088.88 1091.02 Yeah well but uh what what what do you suggest then? 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1089.11 1090.29 I can imagine that us 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1089.59 1090.01 Yes uh 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1091.11 1099.5 Well most of of them are are somewhat thicker at the end, and get um yeah thinner towards the uh the other end. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1091.43 1091.64 Well 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1094.98 1095.48 Yeah right. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1097.16 1098.29 It fits in your palms. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1105.27 1112.25 uh but then with some uh round uh round forms in it to fit your hand, but it's it's still 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1100.21 1101.72 Hmm. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1101.72 1105.27 Well but it's still then uh the the long box,
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1100.71 1100.96 Mm. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1106.98 1107.62 Yeah it 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1107.75 1107.93 Hmm? 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1108.07 1108.35 Well 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1115.45 1116.4 That's 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1109.47 1115.45 A it h it has it it has a that's tha th th shape that it fits your hand. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1109.77 1110.25 Um. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1114.38 1118.57 Yeah yeah al alright but but it's still it's still sort of box, yeah. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1118.57 1121.77 It it has round forms but it in the end it's still the box, so that's what I mean. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1118.88 1120.73 Well 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1119 1119.58 Yeah yea 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1128.16 1128.51 It's 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1124.02 1126.66 Yeah but it has it has to fit your hand. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1126.66 1128.16 It shouldn't be too boxy, you know. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1132.78 1135.94 but in in in at the end it's still this long 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1126.23 1132.78 Yeah yeah I understand, but no no I don't mean an entire box like completely square but a also with round edges of course 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1128.21 1128.78 Hmm. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1129.87 1130.89 No no no. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1132.96 1133.15 Yeah. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1136.23 1137.37 Yeah it should be 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1136.61 1141.36 box shape with convenient uh round uh shapes uh 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1141.81 1152.43 Right maybe something like this or and then a button here to switch between different systems like D. V. D. player and so you can I've 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1142.51 1143.47 to fit. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1145.03 1147.57 Yeah yes I thought about something like that. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1149.46 1149.6 Yeah. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1151.45 1153.49 A big recognisable button on top or something. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1153.17 1156.96 Yeah right, and I do think we have to keep this kind of idea 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1156.94 1157.39 Yeah. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1158.66 1161.14 with the with the numbers and 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1159.99 1161.73 We have five minutes left. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1161.73 1163.12 So 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1162.67 1168.97 The buttons should uh also be not too small, not too big, of course, and uh n uh uh not too close uh together. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1162.69 1162.9 Right. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1165.67 1168 Yes uh that's yep. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1168.08 1171.71 But it should be possible to to um make it 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1172.92 1176.09 ap apparent that there are two functions for every button. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1179.74 1179.94 Yeah. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1176.09 1179.74 So there has to be some space between the buttons. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1176.08 1176.24 Yep. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1176.32 1176.58 Uh-huh. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1184.45 1184.71 Yeah. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1179.1 1184.45 Yeah of course uh to uh to uh to have icons to explain the different functions. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1183.38 1186.1 Yeah right right, and maybe we should use colours. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1186.69 1187.15 Colours, yeah. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1186.88 1195.81 Yeah maybe we can um just like on cell phones those um well you can you can put on on them 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1195.81 1203.89 and so you can customise your uh your own remote with different colours or or special paint jobs I dunno but 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1193.64 1193.9 Yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1195.56 1195.71 Ha. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1195.89 1196.65 That's kinda trendy. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1201.43 1201.83 Yeah right. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1203.24 1204.22 Sound nice. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1204.22 1204.51 Yes. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1204.68 1207.42 I think we have to talk also about uh the the materials for um 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1208.56 1209.94 Well 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1218.96 1219.27 Yes? 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1209.04 1218.96 Well it's just uh about our first ideas now so I think individually we'll have to uh come up with ideas for the next meeting about these materials and markets etcetera. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1216.01 1216.33 Right. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1217.28 1217.75 But 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1218.46 1225.93 I think it's uh it's important to uh notate all the the decisions that we make, so we 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1218.93 1220.57 Already thought about something tha 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1223.83 1224.19 Yes. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1227.28 1229.84 Well thirty minutes we have. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1229.84 1231.11 So um 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1229.52 1229.79 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1242.06 1242.43 I think. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1232.86 1236.19 This is about uh what we are going to uh do uh. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1236.19 1242.06 You'll get specific instructions when you're back in your room so uh it's uh logical uh. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1238.38 1238.66 Yeah. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1242.17 1243.58 No problem. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1246.09 1250.41 So we'll just get a notice that the the meeting is uh over. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1250.41 1251.9 Yeah yes say. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1243.73 1246.09 Oh and uh that's uh that's all. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1249.8 1257.01 Yeah now we can still talk about the material, we have some some minutes left uh I w wrote down uh that the case should be plastic of course,
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1257.01 1260.49 hard plastic, the buttons should be uh rubbery I think uh. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1251.71 1252.02 Mm. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1257.89 1258.13 Yeah. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1260.72 1261.93 Yeah it shouldn't be too heavy. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1262.4 1263.13 No n n 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1262.84 1274.71 Well I have had remotes that um they had uh the function of the buttons was about uh uh a layer over the buttons and when I've had use it much it was gone. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1277.82 1279.83 It has to uh not be loose. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1274.71 1277.82 So it has to be made in the buttons I think. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1274.28 1275.82 Yeah that's bad, yeah. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1274.44 1275.18 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1279.05 1280.11 Yeah that's important. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1282.2 1287.81 And of course there are several electrical cables in it to uh to connect things uh to each other. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1280.39 1281.54 Mm. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1281.54 1282.2 Alright. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1285.03 1285.26 Yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1286.66 1294.39 Is there an a universal uh universal way of um transmitting from the remote to the television so it's all about uh 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1294.13 1295.5 Yeah it's univ yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1294.86 1301.19 It's a a common stan standard way infrared beams an infrared beam I think. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1294.23 1294.86 I think so. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1295.49 1297.13 It's not that in China it's different? 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1297.65 1297.86 Yep. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1300.42 1300.7 Yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1302.09 1306.55 But y you can have uh of course different between D. V. D. s and televisions and between 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1303.3 1303.96 And you can use 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1305.72 1312.66 It it's a we we make an a universal remote so it ha has to work with uh all kinds of brands and things. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1307.81 1308.06 Yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1309.69 1309.95 Yeah. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1310.08 1310.53 Yeah. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1312.34 1316.03 But our T. V. s are mostly made in China and that sort of country, so 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1315 1317.79 Probably yes. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1317.79 1320.84 China rules. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1325.46 1332.32 The user presses a button and with an infrared beam it signals the television set accordingly, but that's pretty obvious, I think. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1321.09 1325.46 And have well yeah I've wrote something down about how it works. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1328.21 1329.33 But are 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1331.26 1336.31 Are we going w uh with the front uh fronts uh idea? 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1340.44 1340.7 Yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1336.8 1340.44 Well I think uh w we can look into that in the in the next uh thirty minutes. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1344.32 1347.4 You can use it just plain but you can 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1338.04 1344.32 I think we should make it universal and you can always use a front front on it, you know? 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1346.34 1346.57 Yes. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1348.05 1354.04 Well j just y you get a n a normal front with it, but you can change them uh when you buy the 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1348.29 1349.12 To make it more trendy. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1351.3 1351.52 Yeah. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1352.79 1353.01 Right. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1354.32 1354.56 Yes. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1353.3 1354.32 Yes. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1354.12 1354.32 Right. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1355.28 1360.19 And we should uh dispatch those kind of fronts fronts a a around the world so uh 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1358.34 1358.48 Mm. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1358.55 1360.45 Yeah. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1359.77 1363.39 Well you can make profit with them, and it's a way to make them trendy. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1363.44 1370.89 Well th those fifty million don't uh don't se sells itself so we have to uh make uh some extra effort like fronts uh. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1370.63 1376.36 Well but th but the standard front will be uh just grey or something uh b a simple colour not not very flashy. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1370.98 1371.3 Yeah right. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1371.14 1371.76 Yeah alright. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1373.76 1374.85 Yeah normal. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1375.14 1380.98 Yeah well it has to it h it has to fit the the te television and D. V. D. set we are going to sell 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1380.98 1386.52 so if they are uh black and black black and silver we'll make them black and silver so 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1374.44 1375.14 Yes. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1376.25 1377.87 No a colour everyone accepts. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1381.5 1381.7 Mm. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1382.91 1385.63 Pink television sets pink remote,. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1383.93 1384.16 Mm. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1385.11 1385.75 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1386.2 1386.45 Yeah. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1387.61 1388.34 standard. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1391.18 1392.69 We have to make it grey or s or black. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1388.58 1391.18 But people of often don't like bright colours or something. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1392.44 1395.04 Well young people s li 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1393.96 1396.34 Yeah but then you can use a a front. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1396.21 1397.16 Yeah yeah, yeah. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1398.96 1399.23 Alright. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1401.44 1401.74 Yeah. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1402.48 1404.35 I must not forget my pen the next time. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1403.48 1405.2 Well if if you yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1413.49 1414 I think. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1405.2 1413.49 If you have a a a television room for little children and you make a if if you buy a a pink front they'll they'll love it. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1413.09 1413.31 Yeah. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1413.34 1413.93 Yeah that's right. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1418.29 1419.99 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1414.95 1418.29 Yeah or a t Teletubby front. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1419.99 1421 I will investigate. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1415.09 1419.77 But that's uh marketing uh research you can uh you can ask uh. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1421.06 1421.45 Yes. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1423.49 1427.94 Well our user interface you can uh maybe uh I don't know what your specific instructions will be 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1427.94 1433.67 but uh probably about uh the precision of the buttons and and those kind of things and what buttons will have to be on the 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1434.87 1435.66 uh remote. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1435.66 1440.35 And you will look into the technical design and um form, I think. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1440.84 1445.49 Mm yeah also the the look and feel uh of the the remote's also my task, yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1441.37 1442.24 Or something like that. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1443.54 1443.85 Yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1445.76 1445.92 Yeah. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1446.19 1446.67 Right. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1446.42 1449.58 What's the uh url or the website 'cause I didn't 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1448.56 1450.58 Yeah I uh w was wondering that too. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1450.58 1452.18 Y you went to the company website. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1450.59 1452.06 Euro? 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1452.06 1453.68 Well it it it's if you uh 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1450.6 1451.39 get 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1451.06 1451.49 It's 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1452.11 1454.78 Yeah yeah yeah just if you start up your Internet Explorer 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1452.38 1452.86 Yeah. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1454.16 1456.71 It's the the the start uh starting page uh 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1455.04 1458.09 Oh oh right oh well I didn't uh use it. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1456.34 1456.49 Yeah. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1459.61 1462 Oh alright. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1462 1466.08 Well uh we're going to back uh back into our rooms so 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1458.04 1459.61 Finish meeting now. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1464.48 1464.79 Yes. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1466.52 1467.06 Well that's great. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1467.09 1468.35 Next meeting is in 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1468.31 1474.82 In thirty minutes, but uh I think it will be you will be warned uh through your laptop uh to get over here. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1474.82 1481.55 I'll have to restore my uh my desktop uh because uh it's it's the half of the normal size. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1468.57 1469.29 Thirty minutes. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1469.06 1469.73 Thirty minutes. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1471.36 1475.08 Yeah alright it's it's handy to know 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1475.08 1476.39 Very handy to know. 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1476.72 1479.39 It's totally broken. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1482.23 1483.97 Right see you in half an hour then. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1482.73 1486.29 Oh right, oh. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1486.29 1487.45 Ma 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1482.77 1484.39 Oh. 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1484.39 1485.4 Goodbye. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1486.01 1486.07 W 
TS3009a H03 MTD036ME 1486.43 1486.78 Oh 
TS3009a H01 MTD035UID 1487.51 1487.97 S 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1488.8 1491.78 W that was a nice meeting. 
TS3009a H02 MTD034ID 1495.34 1498.72 Right uh see you in thirty minutes then. 
TS3009a H00 MTD033PM 1496.15 1499.43 Yeah, see you. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 63.26 63.82 Who starts? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 61.63 63.26 Great man. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 64.47 70.51 Well I'll uh start just with another presentation, so then we can uh look at th at the agenda uh for this meeting. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 67.09 67.67 Alright, great. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 70.84 71.19 Alright. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 73.13 75.04 Okay. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 76.66 79.55 I've put some uh new things in the in the map. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 79.98 80.42 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 81.28 82.26 Uh oh. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 83.99 84.49 This is it. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 85.84 90.01 I don't know the shortcut, so Ah F. five. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 94.14 97.66 And you also ha all three of you have uh prepared something about it. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 90.01 94.14 Well our functional design meeting, that's the stage we're in. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 93.61 94.2 Mm. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 98.07 98.49 Yes. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 99.75 108.74 Well um in we'll uh just have a look at the at the notes from the previous meeting, what we uh thought we had dec decided. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 108.74 109.13 But uh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 110.82 116.9 Uh then we'll uh look at uh the three uh presentations uh from you. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 117.77 118.02 'Kay. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 117.84 122.35 I think you have prepared uh all three uh? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 125.95 130.69 Y you also have uh received that mail, the new project requirements from our bosses? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 122.35 125.95 Um we'll look at th the new project requirements we uh I dunno. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 119.64 120.18 Well, yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 120.42 120.72 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 131.47 133.88 No. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 133.27 134.53 You're the only one. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 131.99 133.27 No. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 136.61 142.27 and I'll have a look if Well I think we should show them before your presentations, because it's not really uh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 132.31 136.61 Oh I've received a mail with uh some additional requirements,
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 136.28 136.66 Oh. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 136.32 136.68 Alright. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 154.34 158.24 We have to deb we have to decide it in this meeting what our function will be. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 143.6 149.44 smart uh to uh to include some things uh we can't, because of the new requirements. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 149.44 154.34 Well um then we can make some decisions about our remote control functions. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 149.01 149.19 'Kay. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 163.9 164.26 Uh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 159.54 163.9 And then uh we can discuss uh some more closely. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 163.71 166.19 We have forty minutes for this uh discussion? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 165.65 169.76 Uh yeah, I think so. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 169.76 174 Well uh the closing uh we'll not uh look at it yet. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 168.11 168.4 Alright. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 174.84 175.25 Alright. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 175.7 180.37 Um now I'll look at show this board. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 184.77 185.63 Um 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 186.95 188.59 Well uh notes, first meeting. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 191.52 191.76 Now. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 192.8 195.21 I gave a disc a a presentation. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 195.21 201.21 Uh we familiarised ourself with the boards and then we discussed some first ideas. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 201.21 201.51 So 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 202.63 203.52 we said that uh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 217.74 219.51 Uh not too many one buttons. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 219.51 224.75 One recognisable button in the middle, where you do the most important functions with. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 210.91 217.74 We should make it uh compatible with our new D. V. D. and other releases we have, our technical releases. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 224.75 229.77 And um well they can have two functions, because uh you have a D. V. D. and a television. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 204.76 210.91 we have to merge the strong points from our uh competitors, and uh look at their uh remote controls. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 208.05 208.25 Right. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 216.69 217.03 Huh? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 229.85 230.5 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 230.89 235.04 Um the design has to fit the hand, be original, but also be familiar. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 239.64 246.58 Yeah well that wa It's just thirty minutes ago, so it's not quite uh But well I have to do it. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 246.58 253.53 The materials uh well should be hard plastic with rubber from, and uh well the labelling of the buttons should be indestructible. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 236.51 239.64 It's uh one of our ideas. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 243.64 245.18 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 243.71 244.67 Mm-hmm, now it's right. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 256.5 257.73 Yes. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 253.71 256.5 It should be uh recognisable at all times. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 257.73 260.32 Well fronts were to be just like mobile telephones. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 254.28 256.55 It's meant to be easily wiped out, yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 256.16 256.52 Mm. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 256.91 257.42 Okay. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 261.81 268.23 And uh the technical aspects um And also labelling of the buttons, the functions should be universal standards. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 271.25 273.39 It's quite logical al all of it. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 268.23 271.25 Well that's just uh some ideas from the first meeting. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 270.95 271.19 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 275.12 278.26 Um now the new project requirements, I'll just show them. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 278.26 279.16 I got this mail 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 283.55 286.99 Well, teletext goes out. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 286.99 288.45 We will not use teletext. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 281.61 283.55 from uh our bosses. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 286.97 287.11 Oh. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 288.89 289.18 Okay. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 293.45 293.68 Well 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 289.83 293.45 Maybe a new sort of thing, but n but not teletext. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 289.93 294.25 I I disagree, but uh it's not uh t it's not my place to disagree I guess. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 294.88 296.23 the second is a bit 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 298.2 306.44 sh pity because we just said we wanted to d include the D. V. D. and they don't want it, because of our time we have for this project. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 300.58 301.02 Oh. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 303.95 304.32 Alright. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 306.27 307.08 Oh, alright. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 306.86 307.92 Oh, that's a shame. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 307.54 314.81 So that's a shame, because uh especially for the third requirement we want to reach people under the thirty years. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 316.39 320.27 Because uh we don't have those customers a lot at th at this point. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 320.27 329.46 Um well it's a bit pity because it's just those people want to have uh one remote control for all those technical devices they can uh reach it. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 327.23 327.48 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 328.95 329.96 But let's forget about it. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 329.96 332.94 It's just time-consuming, so we uh have to go on. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 330.87 331.2 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 342.27 350.75 and um Yeah well uh on our remote controls the design has to be uh, well as we already said a actually, uh familiar. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 336.98 342.27 So uh we have to uh use uh maybe a slogan, maybe a colour,
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 350.75 356.34 Uh not only just uh the shape but also our company. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 332.75 336.98 Well and uh our corporate image should stay rec recognisable in our products. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 350.34 350.69 Yes. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 371.32 373.61 That's important to know, uh when you design a thing of course. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 358.35 361.76 Yeah, we are a real fashionable company. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 369.38 371.32 So it has to be uh a modern design. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 361.76 369.38 I read uh I read it on the I didn't know what company we were, but we we design uh especially trendy uh trendy trendy stuff. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 363.35 367.91 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 362.82 363.35 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 367.91 368.39 Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 362.86 366.73 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 363.39 363.43 Mm. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 369.8 370.17 Okay. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 379.03 382.14 It's uh we mm put the fashion in electronics. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 374.32 379.03 I I uh noted uh our uh slogan that we have, our company. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 373.56 374.32 Yes. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 382.44 382.67 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 383.15 383.55 Right. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 399.22 400.62 Well s then start. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 388.29 392.36 Alright then um we're going to uh have three presentations. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 395.63 396.25 Oh you have to start? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 383.51 388.29 So maybe that's a slogan we can put uh somewhere on our remote control or something. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 396.25 399.22 I didn't see anything about uh who had to start. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 392.36 395.63 You want to start? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 387.46 387.83 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 391.29 391.53 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 394.56 397.54 I think I have to start. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 393.86 394.56 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 399.7 405 I I just have to uh to think which file's mine, 'cause I was uh bit in a hurry. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 397.54 399.7 Oh no, no problem. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 398.75 399.28 No. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 397.81 398.75 The order? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 399.24 399.61 Mm. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 405.68 406.2 Well uh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 404.97 405.68 Okay. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 406.81 408.16 I think it's this one. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 409.32 410.08 But I'm not sure. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 419.07 421.95 You already uh opened uh PowerPoint. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 422.12 422.3 S 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 421.45 422.12 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 420.35 421.45 Hmm? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 423.25 423.63 Right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 425.86 426.85 This is it. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 425.43 425.86 Yes. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 434.7 435.79 Uh next sheet? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 431.18 434.7 Um to start with these points. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 426.85 431.18 Well, I'm going to tell you something about functional requirements. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 426.12 426.37 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 430.49 430.71 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 446.97 450.79 Uh, furthermore it's very important what they do like and what they do use. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 437.37 446.97 Um at first I tell you something about what people dislike about the current uh controls, because it's uh a smart thing to exclude those things. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 456.9 459.97 So we have to focus on those three thing three things. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 450.93 456.9 Um then I tell something about um the most important issues. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 459.97 467.6 And in the end I'll um show you our target audience or our target product users, customers. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 468.85 473.13 Well, um the first findings are that people um 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 474.2 477.66 think most controls are very kind of ug ugly. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 482.21 486.33 They don't like it, so we might think about fronts in that section. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 478.74 482.21 That's seventy five per cent of the current users. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 486.33 486.92 Um 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 488.42 497.03 They also say, that's about uh I thought it was fifty per cent, uh that more money will be spent on uh better looking controls. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 497.03 501.12 So it's very important that you design a a nice looking control. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 504.89 511.79 Um the current user uses his machine just about 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 523.88 532.24 So it's really important to make the the buttons for the common uh tasks kind of big or kind of uh flashy. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 516.33 523.88 Uh, almost every user uses it d the the control for just ten per cent of its capacity. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 513.44 516.33 well all of the time for a few functions. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 535.35 540.67 Furthermore, it's uh seventy five per cent of the users uh zaps a lot. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 540.67 548.83 Thus it might be uh might be smart to make a a big uh zapping button or something in the middle, so you can reach it with your thumb. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 548.83 550 Yeah, yeah right. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 545.82 549.45 You can zap away. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 549.45 550.79 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 549.45 549.57 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 553.32 553.58 Right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 571.27 573.95 I dunno, maybe that's an idea. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 582.22 582.64 So 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 566.42 571.27 that's your um your control beeps or something, that you can find this very easily. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 573.95 582.22 'Cause it's uh a big I think fifty per cent of the users loses his its control, within the same room. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 554.96 561.66 A lot of losers um users lose their controls in their in their living room. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 561.66 566.42 So it might be sensible to make some kind of a button on your television,
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 570.22 570.6 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 570.55 575.91 Well 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 574.21 574.41 Oh. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 579.8 580.7 Oh? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 580.39 582.33 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 586.07 595.74 So if you deliver a small uh click-on device that you can put on your television, that bleeps to your remote control, everyone can use it. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 595.74 597.12 No you can click it on your television. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 580.55 586.07 It should actually uh It should actually be loose from the television, because it can also be used for other televisions. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 593.97 596.17 Yeah but what if you lose your click-on device? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 597.62 601.36 Yeah but if someone d somebody else uses it in ano other room or something? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 604.2 605.54 Well yes. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 601.82 604.2 Yeah in another room, yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 603.99 609.44 Nee but it it specifically says it's uh the the control is lost in the same room. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 609.98 610.38 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 610.32 610.54 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 610.78 611.29 So 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 617.65 625.45 Uh thirty four thirty four per cent um thinks it's it's too uh too difficult to learn. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 612.32 617.65 Well a beeping device would be Uh furthermore the learning time is a problem. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 625.45 631.54 So the the learning curve should be very short uh for the dumbest people should be able to use it. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 612.91 614.61 Well we'll have a look at it, yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 631.86 637.14 I think our uh user uh expert should also consider manual a manual for the remote, of course. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 637.14 637.66 Uh 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 637.08 638.55 Yeah but people don't read manuals. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 641.1 643.38 users to uh add one? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 640.11 641.1 Oh, alright. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 639.07 640.11 I didn't read it? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 643.38 643.78 Do you think? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 640.16 640.58 No. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 640.28 640.57 No. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 644.82 645.6 I don't think 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 645.09 651.22 I think you should put more time in the in the design of uh pick up and use, than a manual. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 648.04 648.45 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 651.19 651.79 Yeah alright. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 651.79 652.74 Because they don't use it? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 649.98 651.19 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 652.74 653.21 Alright. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 650.16 656.74 Yes you should You should could take a look at it and and and know how it how it's supposed to work. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 651.4 651.52 Yep. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 656.19 656.44 Right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 655.72 656.19 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 656.19 658.84 Well there sh should always be a menu, but it c can be very short. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 657.89 661.23 And it should be consistent with consistent with older remotes. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 658.61 663.1 Yeah but nobody reads a manual about a remote control, I think. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 663.72 664.53 Yes okay. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 664.37 670.48 Well maybe for the If you don't recognise a button who d who d who do I call uh wh when I don't know it? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 664.82 665.21 Alright. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 673.98 675.48 Only 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 669.75 671.21 It sh it should be there, the manual. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 671.21 673.98 But but not to explain how the remote works. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 669.37 669.75 Yeah right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 675.96 680.24 So it's better to uh put our attention to the the design. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 674.86 675.96 And we don't have much time. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 680.24 683.07 So you can pick up and use it, than I think. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 682.72 686.89 Well we are a design team, we can say to some uh writer uh make a manual point. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 683.37 683.67 Hmm. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 686.51 687.39 Yeah right, right. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 689.16 689.63 No. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 689.63 689.98 Never mind. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 686.54 689.16 Isn't it part of the of the u No. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 687.61 688.04 So 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 690.6 691.55 Um yes? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 689.59 690.6 Well we'll have a look. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 697.16 705.38 But uh the designer should uh take it uh should uh Wie zeg ik dat? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 707.98 709.48 It should be a good in your hand. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 705.38 707.98 Yeah, consider the consequences of using your remote. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 693.87 697.16 Well that's about twenty per cent I thought. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 690.56 691.6 Next point. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 691.6 693.87 Um R. S. I. . 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 704.53 705.47 Consider the m 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 708.01 708.34 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 709.64 709.91 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 710.31 710.48 Yep. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 717.76 725.35 Um, we're Like the requirements said, we're gonna specify of we're gonna target a younger audience. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 725.35 730.66 Um, that's about sixty per cent of the market, so it's uh quite important. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 730.66 738.34 Um research shows that they like to have a little L. C. D. screen on their on their uh zapping uh device. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 715.08 717.76 Right, this is the most important part. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 738.34 738.75 Uh 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 740.34 746.79 I thought it was the age between sixteen and twenty, ninety nine per cent of uh the people like that. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 746.79 750.77 So it's very important we should definitely have that in our uh designs. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 740.44 740.91 Well 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 751.03 758.22 Well with twelve Euro fifty as production cost, we can't uh afford an L. C. D. uh 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 757.68 757.95 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 756.41 757.68 It's going to be expensive. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 757.19 757.5 No. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 758.4 761.27 Yeah but they think it's really important. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 761.27 763.64 So if we want to s If we have a big 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 761.7 762.12 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 771.03 771.8 We have to uh 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 764.9 771.03 If we make lots of uh of the stuff, maybe we can uh buy it very cheap, I dunno. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 772.94 774.33 Well we'll uh consider it uh. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 773.39 783.22 Well Yeah well uh it's your your task to uh look into the costs uh of those uh Nigh I know. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 775.55 776.8 We'll think abo we'll think 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 780.53 781.63 So 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 779.03 780.53 I don't have any information on that. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 778.13 779.03 Yeah, I don't know. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 780.64 782.89 No, we'll look we'll look into that later. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 782.89 783.43 Alright? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 782.88 783.55 Right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 783.55 786.84 And uh another thing is uh speech uh recognition. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 786.84 790.09 They also like that, but research is very uh costly. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 790.09 790.63 So 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 790.03 792.68 I think that's uh difficult to realise also. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 793.2 794.2 Yeah, but 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 795.25 797.55 it it might be important for the sale. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 797.06 799.17 We have very demanding clients. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 798.34 802.19 It's not yet a standard uh development uh those so 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 801.03 805.05 No and we have customers in multiple uh countries I think. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 802.48 807.52 Well I do think L. C. D. is more reachable than the speech recognition. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 807.52 809.33 So we might consider L. C. D. screens. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 802.92 803.16 We sh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 806.35 807.37 Yeah absolutely. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 806.81 807.14 Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 810.45 811.84 No. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 811.44 815.81 Well we'll consider both and and see what uh what what we can find, I think. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 815.81 817.83 We don't rule them out uh yet. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 810.55 811.44 Yeah, yeah, alright. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 815.41 815.85 Alright. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 815.57 815.77 Yep. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 818.71 818.97 'Kay. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 819.92 821.32 Um, I think that's it. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 821.32 822.14 Um 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 818.72 819.92 Alright. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 821.64 821.9 Alright. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 823.65 824.31 I think 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 825.54 826.9 it is sensible 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 831.93 833.55 So you can Right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 828.62 831.93 to u uh to take this take these points into the notes. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 831.93 832.4 Yes. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 834.02 836.64 Well you I c I can uh still see your presentation. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 837.18 837.46 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 837.46 838.27 Right. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 842.13 843.16 You uh got uh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 838.02 842.13 It's in the Well uh next um I dunno who is next. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 843.08 844.95 Shall I give a technical talk? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 844.95 845.26 Alright. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 843.44 844.28 Oh you go. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 844.76 845.69 Yes. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 845.69 846.33 Well go ahead. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 849.97 855.63 Well uh it is my task to uh explain uh or to point out a working design. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 856.33 856.53 Yip. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 860.31 863.69 Okay, how do you enlarge it, so that you can have the F. F. five. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 858.25 860.31 We have that here. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 861.67 862.13 F. five. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 864.04 864.98 F. five. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 866.73 868.44 Well, the working design, that's my uh 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 865.48 866.73 Yep. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 866.44 869.24 Alright. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 869.24 870.71 Next button. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 878.52 882.04 It was originally in black and white but it became black and purple. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 890.52 892.76 Uh well you can see uh 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 882.04 884.23 But I think you can read it. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 875.02 878.52 It's a bit uh unclear because I wanted to copy paste something. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 871.12 873.77 Well alright uh, you know who I am and what I do. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 884.23 890.52 Um well um I think it's important uh for you to realise the basic function of a remote control. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 873.77 875.02 So uh we have this. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 878.59 879.08 Oh right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 881.52 882.68 Purple. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 883.72 884.7 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 884.7 885.25 A bit. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 893.71 895.56 So it uh inverts. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 892.7 893.71 Maybe you can select it. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 896.79 900.61 And I then can select I can select on the dings It goes to the next page. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 901.46 902.37 Nah, uh never mind. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 898.96 901.46 the p the whole picture. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 901.82 903.28 Click. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 918.89 926.94 w which is the LED, the the the the the the the the the bulb that sends the the infrared beam to the, no, to the set. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 911.45 918.89 You have uh basically uh the energy, the power of the of the remote control, uh and the sender,
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 903.99 911.45 Meanwhile, this is a schematic uh um view of uh how a basic remote control works. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 902.34 903.99 Well, you can read it, it's not too difficult. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 903.57 904.71 Yeah, go ahead. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 925.29 925.67 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 926.75 926.96 Alright. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 947.27 947.73 Very basic. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 929.28 934.97 Uh the user interface is um uh the the the buttons of course. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 934.97 941.69 And the the user interface sends uh the the different signals of the different buttons to the chip,
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 927.55 929.28 And uh the source is of course the user. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 941.69 945.45 and the chip uh sends it to the LED, and the LED sends it to the receiver. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 945.45 947.27 That's the that's the basic idea. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 946.52 946.74 Yep. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 949.91 959.16 Um well I have uh uh put it in a in in in a a couple of basic steps. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 962.7 965.31 It does nothing until uh of course uh the key is pressed. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 959.16 962.7 Uh the remote uh is basically just waiting for a user to press a key. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 969.59 971.53 uh and recognise the key. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 973.43 979.82 The chip uh produces Morse code, um a specific code to indicate that specific button that is pressed, of course. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 979.82 988.33 And it uses transistors in the in the remote control to amplify and to send uh that signal again to the to the LED,
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 965.98 969.59 The key a signal to a chip, uh the chip senses the connection. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 971.53 973.43 So well you understand. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 988.33 989.89 which is the bulb, of course. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 990.45 997.5 Now the LED produces an infrared beam and signals the, well it's uh very simple, and signals the uh signals to the sensor on the T. V. set,
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 997.5 1003.46 and the T. V. set uh also recognises the the the signal, and performs the assigned task. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 995 995.29 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1010.58 1012.72 And a button for T. V. . 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1003.78 1010.58 So it is also why we have to have a button that says uh I'm now busy with a D. V. D. uh if we had done that. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1012.72 1013.09 So 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1022.96 1029.68 And uh if we if we're going to add an uh an uh L. C. D. screen to it, it uh won't look anything like this, but 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1021.39 1022.96 It's a very basic one. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1015.04 1015.76 Exactly. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1015.76 1020.37 Uh well this is uh the basic uh function of a remote. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1020.37 1021.39 I've some couple of pictures here. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1010.87 1012.06 Ah bu Yeah, but we don't. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1012.06 1015.04 Uh we No no, but Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1029.83 1033.97 This is very basic uh basically the the shape of um of a remote control. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1033.97 1041.57 It has uh very little buttons and But it it uh it's it's quite um Yeah, you can easily recognise the buttons. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1044.3 1045.56 It's not very um 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1041.57 1044.3 They're uh far enough apart and an anything. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1046.69 1047.77 High tech. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1054.99 1060.69 So we have to uh change a little bit uh to that, uh so that uh it becomes more user-friendly 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1066 1066.19 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1051.02 1054.99 Uh if you look at the shape, it's uh just a simple long box uh shape. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1046.83 1051.02 uh not very high-tech uh indeed, and it's not very user-friendly. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1060.69 1066 and that uh problems like uh R. S. I. and uh those kinds of thing don't don't oc don't occur. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1063.34 1063.82 Right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1064.95 1066.49 Can I say something? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1077.04 1083.09 Well teletext is not an option, so that uh But I think it's very important to make um the power,
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1071.24 1077.04 Uh the power button is used very much, channel selection, volume and teletext. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1083.09 1089.22 channel and volume buttons uh near to the thumb, so you can't have R. S. I. uh consequences. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1066.49 1071.24 Um I have a table here about uh the l the relevance of the buttons. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1078.34 1078.65 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1089.19 1092.93 Yeah, because they are the the most important buttons and you can immediately 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1091.99 1094.78 Make them big, make them easy to uh to press. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1091.18 1091.99 Right. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1094.18 1104.43 Well but but if you have um the most used buttons all in one place, and you keep making the same um well moves. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1104.43 1111.17 But if y if you would put it at a different place, then you have to move your hands, and that's on of the things about R. S. I. . 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1094.73 1096.66 You don't have to look and and search for them. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1094.75 1096.42 You can also like 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1096.95 1097.33 Right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1104.53 1104.72 Right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1103.72 1104.53 Yeah, right. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1103.75 1106.7 Yeah, I was thinking you can 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1109.72 1111.46 Yeah, that's right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1111.46 1111.92 That's right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1111.92 1112.64 That's right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1112.64 1112.78 We 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1109.89 1113.33 Are some of the the the um 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1112.36 1115.97 Well you you can't have any uh every button under the thumb, of course. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1115.52 1121.24 No but the most important buttons m maybe you can just put them a bit apart so you would 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1116.03 1116.28 But 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1122.08 1122.96 And 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1121.22 1122.08 That's very important. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1119.9 1121.22 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1122.21 1124.3 reject R. R. S. I. R. S. I. . 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1131.93 1137.18 Like some uh little uh Gameboy things or some Hmm? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1123.7 1131.93 Maybe you can make, for for channel changing, two little buttons on the side of the remote, so you can just do like this. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1132.58 1136.31 Yes I've saw that on m on mi mobile telephones they also have uh those buttons. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1135.18 1137.39 But is that is that useable? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1137.39 1141.71 Do people, uh when they pick up a remote, know that they have to do that? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1143.25 1149.52 It's a f it's a new feature, you can make make a double feature l like a button on the top and under it. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1143.47 1144.01 Well 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1144.33 1145.31 Well it it's 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1145.14 1145.45 Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1145.74 1147.06 Yeah alright, but 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1149.29 1154.98 Yeah, but if you s say them up and down, they they'll understand it, I think. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1154.98 1155.77 Eighty per cent would. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1149.49 1153.28 Well also i if someone puts picks up his uh remote 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1165.08 1168.13 Well. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1155.98 1162.35 If someone puts up i uh picks up his remote, and he picks up it he he touches the side then he's a already on the next channel. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1162.35 1165.08 That's very irritating, I think. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1168.13 1168.58 No. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1154.9 1155.98 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1155.1 1156.61 Well,. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1160.91 1163.41 Yeah, he feels it immediately. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1163.41 1164.67 Yeah, that's right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1164.67 1164.84 Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1162.33 1162.92 Yeah that's true. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1164.82 1166.04 Yeah but 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1166.75 1168.49 Sorry. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1165.88 1166.75 Right, continue. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1170.8 1176.6 I think that's a good idea, and uh and that the less important uh buttons, like the the the different channels,
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1166.79 1170.8 But in e in any case the the basic function should be uh indeed, and as you say at the thumb. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1176.6 1183.78 uh the numbers one two three four five as well, should be uh yeah well not in reach, because uh they don't use it uh all the time. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1184.35 1187.42 Well it's uh pretty pretty basically uh as you said. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1187.42 1195.54 And I have some pictures of the inside workings, but uh I don't want to get too technical, because uh that's not uh very uh useful for you. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1186 1186.21 Yep. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1191.35 1191.66 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1194.35 1195.11 Yeah, that's right. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1194.42 1197.21 That's your part of the job. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1200.27 1201.95 And uh well that's about it I think. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1201.95 1202.86 Oh yeah, I still have this. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1208.82 1209.89 but uh don't uh 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1202.86 1208.82 Oh I had to delete this, but I had to make a schematic uh of the of the new But I had too too little time 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1196.09 1200.27 So yeah exactly this is uh how it uh looks from the inside. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1199.67 1199.83 Yep. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1205.4 1205.63 Alright. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1213.7 1215.04 We understand. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1210.41 1213.7 Well we understand. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1215.04 1215.84 Oh right, no. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1206.57 1210.41 Okay. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1215.58 1217.31 That's the most important thing. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1214.8 1215.58 Alright. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1211.22 1212.2 don't look at it please. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1212.2 1214.8 I I think it's it's clear uh how it works. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1212.18 1212.48 Alright. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1214.02 1214.83 Yeah, it's clear. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1217.35 1217.92 Nice. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1218.68 1219.03 Alright. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1219.03 1219.83 Uh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1219.01 1221.76 Then uh Mike can uh give the third presentation. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1224.84 1227.79 How late is did we start his presentation uh? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1224.86 1225.52 Right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1228.42 1229.33 I think uh w 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1226.96 1228.42 I dunno. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1230.6 1231.58 About twenty minutes ago? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1230.61 1232.08 Wha Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1233.18 1239.94 Well then we have still the time, so But we do have to come to a decision, right later on. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1233.18 1234.9 Losing time losing time. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1238.77 1239.4 Yeah right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1239.4 1240.05 So 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1241.24 1244.3 So 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1241.44 1241.76 Mm. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1245.08 1250.43 Well I thought um everybody on the website uh would see the same thing, but 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1250.98 1251.76 I don't think so. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1251.36 1253.47 obviously that's not the case. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1254.16 1258.58 Yeah, uh there are different uh We have all have different home pages, with different links. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1258.58 1258.94 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1257.71 1258.18 Oh yeah? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1257.94 1258.31 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1258.83 1259.28 Yeah right. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1259.58 1259.8 Uh? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1260.04 1263.7 For instance you couldn't see this. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1263 1264.99 Okay, yeah well. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1264.84 1265.26 Um 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1266.93 1267.64 Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1267.64 1270.38 Well I'm Mike, User Interface Designer. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1269.68 1270.02 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1272.21 1272.7 Well 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1271.31 1272.21 The the method? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1274.63 1282.09 I used my own experience with remotes, took a good l look uh at the remotes on the corporate website, which are these two. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1282.09 1282.68 Um 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1281.91 1282.51 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1282.83 1284 These are already in use? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1288.42 1289.12 Um 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1284.52 1288.42 Yes, these are from from another uh manufacturer. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1287.74 1288.8 Alright, okay. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1295.26 1296.43 This one is user-centred. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1290.43 1295.26 This one is engineering-centred, so this one has the most functions and um things. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1297.31 1297.58 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1297.34 1297.8 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1298.1 1298.78 Um 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1298.2 1300.15 Well Yeah, me too. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1301.94 1302.24 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1298.75 1301.94 I like user-centred. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1300.49 1304.34 I like user-centr centred uh uh also the best. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1304.78 1305.71 We also do that. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1305.41 1306.01 Um 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1307.89 1316.61 Well, I thought uh that we uh reduce the the option to control the D. V. D. also, and teletext and that kind of stuff. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1317.01 1317.31 Mm. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1324.44 1324.96 But 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1317.67 1324.44 Uh so I thought we we we would use more or need more buttons than this one. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1323.49 1326.47 But we have to reject that, because of the requirements? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1331.95 1332.42 Um 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1326.6 1331.95 Th that's why this mm is not relevant any more I feel. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1325.6 1326.6 Yes. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1326.12 1326.44 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1331.28 1331.62 Alright. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1333.64 1337.12 I think this is about the maximum number of buttons uh we'll need. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1344.41 1344.75 But 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1341.04 1344.41 I think this is what we talked about. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1337.99 1341.04 I um I kinda like the shape. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1337.99 1338.42 Yeah, right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1344.49 1344.7 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1347.96 1349.04 But I think uh 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1344.71 1347.96 You can't really see uh the differ from different sides. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1348.56 1350.91 No I've Well I showed it somewhere. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1350.91 1351.48 Um 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1350.94 1352.22 Uh you can draw it if you Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1358.12 1361.24 So we can can uh yeah customise the 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1354.25 1358.12 I think we should go further with the idea of a removable front. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1352.48 1354.25 Oh yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1358.16 1358.46 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1367.43 1369.36 So we cannot just uh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1360.82 1367.43 Well absolutely, but i th they all have to have something about um the recognition from our company. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1367.81 1368.83 Mm? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1374.74 1375.32 You can 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1371.37 1374.74 It's not the the whole remote that changes, of course. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1370.79 1371.37 It's a front. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1370.18 1370.79 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1370.45 1371.28 make someone w 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1373.55 1378.08 No but that's th the side they look uh look at is the front. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1378.08 1384.17 So if y if you make a a front with just a a tiger on it, then uh our recognition is totally gone. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1374.7 1375.42 But it 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1382.45 1382.71 Mm. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1384.34 1384.85 Yeah, that's right. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1388.77 1393.29 So l like Ericsson does every uh 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1385.24 1388.77 Or you can you can can put the same symbol on on every remote. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1388.25 1390.22 Yeah, that's a must. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1390.22 1391.33 We must have that. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1392.01 1393.37 Yeah well and and 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1390.24 1392.01 Yeah, we must. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1390.66 1392.22 We can put it on the on the back side. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1394.02 1396.13 S something like this. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1396.13 1397.31 It's recognisable. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1395.18 1395.61 Yes. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1397.75 1397.92 'Kay. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1398.27 1400.66 We can make a symbol of the company right here. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1400.66 1403.71 And if you put a front on it, there's a hole on the front. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1403.71 1406.35 So the symbol's always on Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1398.43 1398.98 Um 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1401.5 1401.82 Yeah? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1403.81 1406.11 Yeah, so that you don't replace the symbol, yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1404.48 1405.02 Yeah yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1405.02 1406.82 Something like that, in the Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1410.8 1411.56 Those kind of things. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1411.56 1412.47 Yes. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1412.47 1412.99 Okay. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1404.73 1406.03 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1406.03 1410.8 Or the th the the lowest part of the remote isn't changed by the front. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1410.53 1413.18 But let's not focus on the front. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1409.36 1410.53 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1410.09 1410.41 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1410.64 1410.84 Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1421.71 1422.41 So um 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1420.7 1421.71 But we don't. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1413.96 1418.45 Um Well so uh uh like I said I thought we'd we'd use more function. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1418.45 1420.7 If we we had to include more functions. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1422.41 1422.79 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1423.91 1424.87 Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1429.47 1433.59 Like eject we don't need, and some other buttons we don't need. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1428.16 1429.47 Maybe some less. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1433.59 1434.44 I think uh 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1424.87 1428.16 I think this is about the maximum number of buttons we need. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1424.7 1425.19 Alright. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1433.67 1437.33 Mike, uh can you put uh that picture from me on the in the Word documents file? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1437.33 1438.02 In Map? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1442.51 1445.24 The less buttons the better the design. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1437.27 1438.35 Yeah, I will. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1438.35 1442.51 I think uh for the remote um uh less is more. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1445.24 1445.69 Um 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1445.4 1445.58 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1445.99 1447.08 Yeah, I agree. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1446.46 1448.09 We should go with that concept I think. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1450.33 1450.98 I know. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1450.94 1451.39 Alright. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1468.84 1470.65 Fo Yeah, critical. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1472.78 1479.04 So we must um must design uh a control that really speaks to the people. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1470.65 1472.78 So The younger audience. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1452.86 1458.08 Um there are two target audi audiences, and we've uh chose for the younger one. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1464.77 1467.06 They are high high interested in feature. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1450.95 1452.86 I've I've got another point. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1458.08 1464.77 Um, research has shown that um it's a high interested uh in features. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1467.06 1468.84 But they are more critical. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1452.55 1452.81 Yeah? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1458.39 1458.6 Mm. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1470.57 1471.65 The younger uh 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1472.62 1472.89 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1493.63 1500.8 a f a little uh You can click away and then you have f much more functions that most people don't use but s some do do. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1488.81 1493.63 and the bottom side of the front has a little clip 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1479.92 1488.81 Well what if we um I at I at home have a remote that has um the most familiar uh buttons on the top 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1488.59 1489.02 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1502.28 1509.53 I think uh the most functions uh underneath that uh uh No um mm usually 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1501.31 1502.28 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1506.65 1507.79 Clip aren't used much. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1508.4 1513.68 Well but because you say they their features are important, they want m um a lot, but not 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1511.33 1512.1 Yeah right. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1511.97 1512.42 But 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1515.21 1517.52 Like L. C. D. screens and voice recognition. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1513.75 1515.21 Yeah, but what kind of features? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1517.52 1519.27 But I've 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1515.02 1517.61 Yeah I think m most 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1516.23 1517.38 Yeah but Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1518.72 1519.66 Most uh 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1520.46 1525.37 The newest features are, like I said, are uh L. C. D. and uh speech uh control. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1518.77 1520.46 Here, look at these numbers. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1532.7 1533.33 You see? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1526.42 1532.7 Our audience, these people, are very like these uh features. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1533.33 1539.13 So we must build in something, or they will to uh go to the concurrent. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1542.42 1546.06 So, I do think we have to uh have some features. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1539.13 1540.26 The concurrent? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1540.26 1542.42 Competitors, right. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1532.19 1532.41 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1532.36 1533.4 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1533.4 1533.75 Uh. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1538.16 1540.27 Competitors. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1539.41 1540.19 Our competitor. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1538.54 1539.41 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1540.19 1540.43 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1547.14 1547.88 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1547.88 1558.09 Well maybe w we could uh s On um some uh calculators you have lo those little little L. C. D. th that you can click on or something 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1564.66 1564.97 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1560.52 1564.66 And if if that's gives you a little bit of sta status information. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1558.09 1560.52 or that you can click uh out uh of the remote. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1547.4 1548.75 Even though they cost a little more. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1556.1 1556.42 Right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1555.27 1556.1 Right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1563.61 1565.05 Like a ticker-tape. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1565.05 1567.07 Which programme you are l watching or something. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1567.09 1568.47 Yeah, that's nice. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1567.81 1573.12 Those kind of things, uh because you also have those uh those program recognition for your V. V. C. R. s. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1574.37 1581.04 And uh well if y if your remote picks that up also, you they can display which programme you're currently watching. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1574.79 1575.69 Yeah, right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1575.69 1576.16 Yeah right. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1575.29 1575.64 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1587.79 1595.82 uh because if you change to s channel two you have two on the screen and two on your on your um on your L. C. D. screen. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1581.27 1587.79 So it it just signals the the different uh sig uh the different symbols on the screen you have 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1580.71 1581.27 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1587.47 1587.82 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1593.2 1593.89 For example. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1595.04 1598.94 It it could be such a little uh th that you can click in and out and you and you have it. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1600.08 1602.5 Yeah, we should keep that simple too. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1602.5 1603.53 It will 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1602.26 1610.54 But should it uh really be uh clickable, uh or or just integrate inside to try to make it d more trendy. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1602.72 1602.91 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1610.01 1612.65 So when you s you sit like this you can can watch. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1605.1 1606.36 No not clickable. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1607.82 1610.01 Yeah, just at at the top. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1612.65 1613.77 I think it should be at the top. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1606.36 1607.82 Nah, no no no. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1605.26 1606.01 Well maybe. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1607.59 1609.49 I think 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1606.15 1607.59 No, it should be uh integrated. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1614.07 1614.26 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1612.8 1614.07 Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1613.11 1616.39 Yeah, something like on um some radios in car. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1616.39 1621.93 You Where it's, yeah, walking to Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1619.4 1619.85 Yeah right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1619.85 1621.52 It's a ticker-tape idea. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1619.95 1621.48 R. D. S. s or something. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1622.38 1630.24 But that's of course uh a bit more uh expensive than uh the basic uh calculator design, with the scrolling text and that kind of thing. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1630.34 1632.53 Wa Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1630.69 1632.31 Well it's just one script. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1631.01 1636.12 Well I think it's you got It just means it's a script that's uh keeps it uh rolling 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1636.12 1640.28 and it's not uh That's five minutes off uh implementing time I think uh 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1638.87 1641.83 Yeah, five minutes of ja ja for programming. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1641.83 1643.27 So I don't think that's the issue. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1641.73 1641.89 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1643.32 1643.6 No. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1644.12 1644.46 Alright. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1644.71 1646.84 Alright, we go with the L. C. D. screen? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1648.34 1648.93 Um 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1646.66 1648.34 Uh well I think so, yes. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1647.91 1651.87 Yeah well we we we still need to know how much that will cost. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1648.19 1648.38 'Kay. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1652.05 1654.78 Right, I don't know if I can find that, but 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1653.42 1655.7 We're g No but we're we'll have to look into that. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1654.92 1658.67 Or maybe you will get that information uh Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1657.22 1657.91 Next time. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1657.91 1658.42 Yeah right. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1660.58 1669.17 Uh we can put some um decisions about um the controls we want, th the issue. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1669.17 1671.42 Where is my presentation? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1671.42 1671.9 Uh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1657.35 1660.58 Um we can use this board again, I think. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1671.93 1673.37 Yeah, I understand what you're saying. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1675.43 1676.14 Uh 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1678.2 1680.8 We should have a general idea of how it's gonna look. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1683.14 1683.6 Well 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1684.58 1686.71 I mean we're all here now, I think. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1688.44 1692.49 So we have to decide on the different remote control functions. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1686.71 1688.44 These I've already given you. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1694.7 1694.9 Right. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1694.74 1698.95 So we want to have a small L. C. D. screen that's special. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1697.9 1698.59 At the top. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1706.71 1707.26 Uh 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1702.15 1706.71 The L. C. D. screen alright but we should start with the power button? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1700.55 1702.15 Shouldn't we start with the most important parts? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1701.76 1703.68 At the top or at the bottom? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1702.05 1702.42 Yes. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1704.37 1706.02 I think the top is more uh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1706.89 1707.13 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1709.95 1710.99 You just sit in your chair? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1707.81 1709.95 When you s How do you zap? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1707.87 1708.63 Yeah but 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1711.79 1712 Huh? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1712.36 1712.95 With the remote? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1716.95 1721.23 'Cause most remotes have some space left at the bottom. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1712.37 1716.95 Yeah but with with the L. C. D. screen on the top it gets a bit unnatural. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1714.8 1715.99 That thing is terrible. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1723.55 1724.59 Yeah, I dunno. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1720.85 1723.55 Yeah but that's where your hand ball might be. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1722.99 1723.44 Uh 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1723.9 1725.5 Yeah, no Mm. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1725.92 1726.96 And then uh 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1726.67 1728.83 We'll draw two, and then we'll see uh 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1728.83 1730.78 Maybe we should uh centralise the discussion here. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1730.78 1732.68 I dunno what uh you were talking about but 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1736.66 1741.11 He thinks it's better to put the L. C. D. at the bottom, and I think it's better at the top. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1731.88 1736.66 No Um he thinks Yeah, right. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1734.01 1735.83 we are busy with something. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1741.49 1741.85 Uh-huh. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1741.85 1743.12 Why do you think it's better at the bottom? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1741.89 1742.42 Well 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1744.2 1753.81 Uh well because most uh remotes have um some space left at the bottom, and that way you can keep the shape recognisable for everybody. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1753.81 1754.26 I c 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1752.04 1752.75 But your 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1753.6 1759.31 But you just can put uh the the the the the whole interface a bit down, so that there's room for the for the interface. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1757.95 1761.61 The the ticker The L. C. D. is like like small. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1762.98 1764.16 It's not not high. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1764.16 1765.88 But 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1761.61 1762.98 It's it's wide. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1757.14 1757.95 Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1757.76 1760.41 Well I d I think that's that's ugly but 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1763.06 1763.44 Uh-huh. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1764.61 1766.48 I th 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1765 1767.15 Well I th I think Mike Mike has a point 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1767.15 1775.14 because um when when uh when I use a remote I l I hate the buttons but buttons at the at the bottom. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1775.14 1777.26 So and and I I like to use the ones 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1765.16 1767.14 And and we can 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1768.18 1770.19 Power button always Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1767.29 1768.18 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1773.76 1774.11 Bottom. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1774.1 1774.29 Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1775.59 1779.41 Yeah, y you gotta zap like this or you want to Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1778.96 1782.3 So when I u when I have to have an L. C. D. s scr window 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1778.48 1778.96 on the top. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1779.48 1779.91 But 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1778.97 1779.48 Yeah right. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1784.01 1784.92 Well, I agree with you. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1780.74 1784.01 Well that's a bit exaggerated. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1786.64 1787.11 We 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1781.29 1786.64 We're making a remote with with a few functions you know. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1786.47 1788.71 It's it's also more recognisable. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1788.71 1793.16 It looks more like a calculator to people, if you have the l the the 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1794.2 1796.73 Yes but we we we we don't want that. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1798.52 1802.57 We want to look it like our original but familiar 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1796.73 1798.52 We don't want them to look like a calculator. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1794.98 1796.16 the thing on top. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1796.21 1799.98 Yeah you don't want You want uh Yeah it it it must be a remote. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1801.52 1811.28 Yeah w well, but uh you don't have to throw uh um important aspe important aspect like familiarity uh completely away, uh because I think it's uh 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1802.68 1803.22 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1805.73 1807.7 High-tech. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1806.81 1808.22 Yea 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1810.17 1814.34 Maybe a bic uh better uh white uh We White? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1814.1 1816.53 I think it's still important to have it at the top, because it's uh 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1814.19 1814.52 Width. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1815.55 1817.04 Uh format yeah format? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1815.04 1815.55 Width. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1817.95 1818.14 Width? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1817.04 1817.95 Line width? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1820.36 1822.47 When I draw here it Oh. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1817.9 1820.36 Th that's not a problem. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1822.47 1822.62 Huh? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1818.58 1819.6 it's more familiar that way. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1819.88 1820.12 Yeah? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1823.56 1825.12 It's a bit off. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1825.12 1826.87 Well. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1824.3 1824.91 Yeah, it's off. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1825.05 1826.71 A little a little bit. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1828.67 1829.92 Well 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1826.3 1828.67 It it needs to be calibrated again. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1828.05 1830.73 Well uh let's uh talk about that later uh 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1831.35 1832.45 Maybe that's uh better. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1828.8 1831.35 Maybe you should another pen. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1836.07 1836.44 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1833.25 1836.07 You e you only have one pen for that screen. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1833.31 1833.55 Where? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1834.83 1839.09 Alright, we have to make a decision now, because we don't have much time. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1839.09 1839.79 Um 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1834.97 1835.84 It's special pen. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1837.81 1838.82 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1838.82 1839.11 No. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1841.24 1846.24 I think we have uh a few functions, and we can put uh the L. C. D. above it,
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1846.24 1849.67 and still have lots of room at the bottom, where you can put your hand. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1848.4 1848.72 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1848.72 1849.66 I I agree. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1850.04 1851.78 I think it should be at the button, bottom. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1852.36 1855.45 Well I'm the I I'm the designer, so um 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1852.39 1854.65 At the bottom? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1857.17 1857.52 Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1854.65 1857.17 In a few minutes Oh yeah, oh yeah, I totally agree. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1852.78 1853.74 Bottom. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1853.74 1854.32 The L. C. D. . 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1854.82 1855.24 At the bot 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1856.04 1856.35 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1856.62 1857.13 So 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1858.13 1860.68 We are two uh V. S. two. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1865.95 1867.42 Because we have to decide this. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1859.82 1865.95 Well but uh what what if we we first decide the different functions, and then look at the design. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1861.9 1862.99 He's the boss. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1864.13 1864.45 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1864.48 1865.13 Right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1865.13 1865.4 Great. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1871.35 1873.01 So, we have the power button. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1866.98 1871.35 Uh yeah we should uh summon the the different uh aspects of the thing. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1865.39 1866.98 Uh we uh we were busy with that. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1869.32 1869.61 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1877.63 1879.67 It's uh your it's your job. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1872.58 1877.63 And moreover I think that you two should be uh come to consensus about the L. C. D. s. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1877.23 1877.61 Yes. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1880.56 1880.81 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1879.31 1879.89 Yeah of course. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1880.81 1881.38 W wh 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1879.89 1880.56 Uh it's uh. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1882.49 1882.9 Guys? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1879.35 1882.49 Well we have a power button. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1882.86 1883.87 For all of us I think. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1880.54 1882.86 No it's our job. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1882.7 1886.46 While you have to agree, I can say it's like this and you must agree. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1886.46 1886.69 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1883.69 1884.18 Yeah, right. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1885.43 1886.69 Guys? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1886.69 1890.72 We have a power button, setting buttons, L. C. D. window, the number buttons 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1885.89 1887.07 Alright, let's keep it central. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1890.63 1891.04 Yeah? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1888.87 1890.63 The ten numbers? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1891.47 1892.1 Channel, yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1892.47 1892.67 Uh 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1894.14 1894.69 Volume? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1894.99 1895.67 Volume control. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1895.8 1896.3 Yes. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1898.99 1899.89 Um 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1902.01 1902.68 Mm. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1902.28 1905.22 Uh the mute button. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1905.22 1906.26 I h love that one. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1903.94 1904.48 Uh 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1902.32 1903.94 Well let's look at your uh design. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1908.08 1908.53 Uh-huh. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1909.68 1913.92 I think we we should use something like this um to um 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1918.1 1919.57 Yeah, in circle, you know? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1915.31 1918.1 The the channel up and channel down button? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1917.56 1917.8 Yes. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1920.18 1920.76 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1919.52 1920.18 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1920.76 1922.27 Well that's that's also design. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1921.07 1923.96 And and a volume control also in it. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1923.41 1923.87 Yes. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1925.88 1926.2 Right. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1926.16 1927.75 Um 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1927.36 1929 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1929 1933.15 But th th on this remote th these controls are for something else, a D. V. D. player or something. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1933.15 1934.12 So 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1928.85 1929.51 Well h ho 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1933.06 1934.89 They are for some uh video uh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1932.72 1933.06 Yes. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1932.21 1932.72 Yes. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1932.94 1936.76 Yes, as I already said, we could drop some of these buttons. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1936.07 1941.89 You should put that uh power button, channel and volume should have the most uh importance. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1942.23 1942.64 Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1944.11 1947.25 I think these should be in one big circle in the middle. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1947.2 1948.88 Yeah, but what he said about R. S. I. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1952.69 1958.03 When when you uh put them all in the same place,
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1965.38 1971.29 So it might be smarter to put them a little more away from each other. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1958.03 1965.38 the most used buttons, you're doing the same thing all the time, and that's just what R. S. I. 's all about. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1950.12 1952.69 was t kinda true. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1970.03 1970.39 Apart. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1974.54 1978.75 And they get less uh complaints of R. S. I. . 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1972.55 1974.54 So people have to move their hand. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1982.35 1984.8 Y Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1984.8 1986.43 It's good to move uh from time to time. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1986.43 1986.69 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1978.73 1982.35 Yeah, it's it's also not good to completely stay in one position constantly with one hand. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1982.45 1985.91 That's what I always do, because all my i important buttons are the same place. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1990.88 1992.21 They they need to be centred. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 1986.77 1990.88 Yeah but people don't like it when their buttons are all over the place. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1986.94 1987.58 Um 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1987.08 1987.44 Yes? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1990.96 1993.76 No but now y W would we have to choose a 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1991.07 1991.79 Well not 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2003.51 2004.31 You can see. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1994.65 1997 Frequency of uh button use. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 1997 2003.51 Um channels are uh most uh is most used within the hour. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2004.31 2012.62 So the the channel uh channel buttons should be far far apart, I think, up and down. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 1995.16 1995.73 way in middle? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 1996.5 1996.8 Yes. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2002.79 2004.05 Volume hardly. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2002.88 2003.2 Uh-huh. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2006.92 2009.71 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2012.42 2013.36 No I don't think. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2012.88 2014.07 Oh. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2014.07 2014.69 Far apart? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2013.95 2015.65 Up and down far apart from each other? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2015.51 2018.73 You thinking uh about R. S. I. ? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2018.06 2018.64 Yeah but 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2019.71 2021.27 Yeah but No. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2019.81 2023.03 Well not too much. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2019.95 2022.29 Y look at uh look at the frequency. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2022.29 2023.71 Nei not too much, but 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2028.11 2028.33 So 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2024.91 2028.11 The other the other two uh frustrations are far more important. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2031.6 2036.93 but you don't have uh have to have volume control and and zapping button close together. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2029.2 2031.6 I think you can have the two buttons of up and down close together 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2047.04 2048.96 So that one can be put away. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2034.6 2040.8 Well for example the power button, you can If someone is constantly z zapping,
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2044.57 2047.04 Because I have someone But the buttons is way. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2040.8 2044.57 it's not going to miss, that it that the power button is not right beside it. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2037.07 2039.15 Well they are used four times an hour, so 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2047.2 2048.05 But just 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2045.13 2047.2 Nei nei nei n I I totally agree. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2049.14 2049.54 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2049.54 2049.92 Right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2051.81 2052.42 I agree. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2051.11 2051.81 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2051.83 2054.57 The power button can uh be uh uh 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2054.13 2057.58 Power bu button should be left at the top. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2056.9 2058.19 Yes. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2058.19 2061.11 Oh man, five minutes. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2056.9 2058.23 And should and should be red. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2057.98 2058.46 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2062.39 2065.54 Yeah, well five minutes left. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2065.54 2066.17 Yep. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2063.08 2065.37 Right, just make some decisions. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2066.34 2068.34 The most important things we have to uh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2068.19 2070.59 Um how are we going to do it with those numbers? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2069.5 2072.35 C c can you make you make We can use uh the drawing board now, I think. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2072.35 2079.3 Uh it it doesn't work well but But it it would be pretty pretty uh nice if we could just draw a simple thing. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2075.01 2075.73 Well I have it here. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2081.61 2085.37 Just uh you decide that, you decide that, and ready. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2078.82 2081.61 I do think you have to keep you have to keep it central now. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2079.1 2081.75 Yeah well that's going to take too too much time. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2081.75 2082.23 Yes. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2082.26 2082.48 Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2081.65 2082.26 Mm. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2083.63 2084.69 Mm. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2084.69 2084.96 Alright. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2084.21 2084.64 Yes. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2092.51 2095.28 So I think it's going to go to Mike. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2098.98 2099.28 Well 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2095.28 2098.98 But you will have to make consensus with. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2086.34 2087.83 Well the L. C. D. . 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2087.83 2092.51 Um you are Industrial, you are User Interface. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2094.98 2095.32 Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2100.84 2104.38 Well consensus, um We we can put it in the middle, so 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2104.53 2105.44 That's a bit uh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2101.82 2104.53 Well it's a bit hard, because we are going to be uh individually. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2102.23 2102.92 Nei. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2102.92 2106.64 We're No We're deciding now, so 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2106.12 2106.52 Yes. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2108.51 2109.13 Top or bottom? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2115.89 2118.33 You say familiarity isn't important but 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2109.77 2115.89 Well uh yeah I I still think it's it's quite important though to uh to have it at the top, so Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2113.32 2113.92 Yes it is. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2118.28 2123.36 Well what if we're going to now decide about the functions, and the design comes into the next round? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2125.1 2125.46 Okay. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2125.52 2128 Plus the d th the design round is still to come huh? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2126.06 2126.69 Yeah d 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2128.11 2128.78 Yeah, right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2128.78 2129.09 Okay. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2128.16 2128.55 Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2129.02 2129.31 Alright. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2130.94 2134.69 The number f Well yes, that's alright. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2129.27 2130.94 Alright these functions. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2135.96 2143.67 Are we going to uh do it like uh on Mike's screen with uh one button that says I'm going to do a t two number digital? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2134.69 2135.96 W the number function. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2130.3 2133.15 As we we we we agreed, we do have a L. C. D. . 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2133.15 2134.37 So that's 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2134 2134.94 Yeah, okay. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2135.94 2136.42 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2135.42 2135.94 that's enough. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2144.08 2144.57 No. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2145.65 2146.48 How do you want it to do then? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2147.21 2149.89 There's one two three four five six six seven eight nine zero. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2147.33 2150.35 Well just when you push a one one and 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2148.28 2152.6 It it has to r recognise one as there could still come more. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2161.25 2162.19 Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2153.15 2161.25 No, if you On most T. V. s if you uh press two numbers shortly after each other, d it Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2162.19 2162.44 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2154.23 2154.79 Oh, like that. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2154.79 2155.5 Um 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2158.77 2159.16 Yes. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2163.23 2163.48 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2159.26 2160.08 They'd recognise it. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2160.08 2163.23 Th that's the most That that's very easy. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2160.26 2161.63 Alright so no button for that. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2162.53 2162.89 No. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2164.75 2169.87 Okay uh anyone any uh oth other functionalities of our uh remote? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2170.15 2172.69 I think these are the the most important functions. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2172.17 2173.69 Do you still have the pictures over there? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2174.03 2174.31 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2174.66 2175.14 So 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2181.31 2182.07 Yeah, that's about it. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2191.88 2193.09 Yeah, I know. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2185.02 2190.78 You do need the uh multi Or did uh No, like this one. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2193.09 2194.24 But are we 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2190.78 2191.88 You do need them? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2191.54 2193.49 No, we'd uh just said we didn't uh 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2195.12 2197.84 Alright, alright uh Now okay. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2195.15 2196.99 Well uh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2198.25 2206.76 Um well because we can't integrate it with any other uh remotes, all those buttons on those pictures are uh irrelevant. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2206.76 2209.19 So just for a television is that all we need? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2206.39 2206.67 Right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2210.17 2211.66 Yeah, it's most useable this way. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2213.49 2214.98 basic function. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2214.09 2214.61 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2215.19 2216.54 Teletext is gone. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2216.54 2221.44 So all those buttons that ar are to do with teletext Oh screen placing. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2222.71 2224.6 We'll have uh those uh buttons about uh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2232.94 2236.27 And the button that you can go to A. V. for your video. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2230.55 2232.94 You can make it wider and less wide. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2228.91 2230.55 Uh there's um screen. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2226.14 2228.91 And uh the two important ones we're l f forgetting. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2232.04 2232.39 Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2236.48 2237.19 Right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2237.19 2239.91 I do think we have to put that underneath a clip. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2237.53 2238.17 Oh yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2240.64 2241.16 Those two? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2241.16 2242.81 But it's just two, and we make a clip? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2241.88 2245.33 Uh just two just two under uh under uh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2244.23 2245.57 Th that's a bit uh waste. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2244.71 2248.83 We we can make make uh a little row of like four buttons down here. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2248.63 2249.04 Yes. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2249.52 2250.13 Okay, right. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2249.27 2249.52 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2250.08 2251.26 I I think uh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2252.1 2254.11 Your L. C. D. screen is going to go. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2250.17 2252.1 Or at the top. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2252.83 2254.92 Or at Yeah alright then. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2253.5 2257.19 But you you can put uh two or three buttons under uh another section. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2258.66 2264.41 You can just put it somewhere They they aren't used much, not as much as those other, so you can put it somewhere 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2257.19 2258.66 Uh that's that's too complicated. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2258.66 2259.08 Yes. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2260.41 2260.63 Yeah 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2263.46 2266.89 Oh, they can be small or round like buttons. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2270.48 2270.73 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2265.44 2270.48 Yeah s bit smaller and s Well uh and and I think more at the bottom. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2276.98 2277.96 Above or down? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2274.66 2276.98 What do you think uh those those buttons? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2273.44 2274.66 Yeah or at the top, yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2277.05 2280.9 Well I think they should in an in an isolated part of the remote. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2280.96 2282.12 And w where? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2282.12 2283.29 Well we design it later. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2283.29 2286.44 We have it, and we design later where everything goes. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2286.44 2286.73 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2285.82 2286.51 Yes. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2284.53 2285.82 Yes? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2287.08 2288.69 Well any other uh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2286.51 2287.08 Yes. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2289.73 2293.31 Well if you you take those th If you 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2290.71 2291.87 Why go to video? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2292.83 2295.53 Go to video, that's always on your remote control. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2295.53 2298.76 To A. V. uh to A. V. A. V. A. V. . 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2295.21 2300.41 Yeah, but you can z you can zap t you can you can zap to the video channel from zero to uh 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2297.17 2298.31 The the video channel uh? 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2300.44 2300.75 Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2299.21 2300.44 That's just zero. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2301.65 2303.36 Well l n no not at not at my remote. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2302.78 2306.34 Ze yeah zero is a different channel than uh the the video channel. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2301.76 2302.78 No no not always. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2304.96 2305.25 Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2305.31 2307.53 Yeah, but you can can zap down 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2306.46 2309.17 Yeah, but when you zap down zero you get to A. V. . 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2308.38 2308.81 Yes. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2309.55 2310.61 Yes, I think th 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2309.96 2310.79 I don't. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2310.79 2313.23 I go to ninety-nine. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2312.26 2313.71 No, then you press ninety nine. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2313.71 2314.88 I think go to video is 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2312.3 2314.92 Ah uh well whatever,. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2316.09 2317.68 an irrelevant button, but 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2316.1 2317.96 Th that's the button uh No. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2325.88 2328.67 you do you have to push a to to get below zero. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2328.67 2332.23 It's more easy to get to uh where the specific uh video channel button. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2317.8 2325.88 But it's easy to go If you are at uh at channel uh fifty five and you want to uh go immediately to the video channel 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2329.1 2330.03 Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2327.42 2329.1 No you can ch push zero. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2330.03 2333.61 Yeah, I I think that one button is uh I use it uh 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2343.19 2345.5 Right all th these uh different buttons you have to 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2341.67 2343.19 You have to set the channels. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2333.92 2341.67 Yeah, but if we're choosing to uh incorporate these buttons, you have to have uh channel setting, if you wa if you have a new T. V. . 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2341.89 2342.14 Yeah? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2345.16 2348.65 These buttons, I don't have buttons for channel setting uh especially on my remote. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2348.98 2349.96 Ah, I do. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2349.17 2355.73 Yeah well uh d different screen settings a Yeah, sk Yeah y you you you you have screen width. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2349.8 2354.02 It's it's incorporated with p m plus and down, uh those 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2350.05 2351.63 Yeah well y you must have. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2354.21 2362.3 Yeah you yeah you have one one button from s set frequency o or something, and then with plus and min minus you can uh adjust the uh 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2362.56 2364.69 That's the only one we put uh in there. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2361.42 2362.56 Right. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2366.46 2368.67 So we still have one uh four? 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2368.98 2372.09 For a screen uh fu uh channel setting. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2371.02 2372.1 Ch ch 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2372.94 2377.01 Yeah to uh oh yeah of course to configure the programme the Yeah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2374.84 2375.81 Programme, right. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2379.6 2383.46 Oh you always have in the centre an Okay button, for your menu. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2376.16 2379.6 Oh the Okay button? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2375.71 2376.16 Okay. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2383.46 2384.27 Menu button. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2378.92 2379.61 Uh 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2382.04 2382.46 Yeah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2382.11 2382.77 Yeah, alright. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2387.44 2393.34 Uh And and the settings to change the brightness the settings to change the brightness and the contrast. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2386.39 2387.44 I think that's important. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2385.23 2386.39 You should Yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2387.85 2389.19 Channel, setting, menu. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2389.19 2392.13 We have to go. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2394.5 2394.94 Okay. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2394.87 2395.53 Channel, yeah. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2396.91 2398.67 So um Save. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2398 2398.31 Chief? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2400.28 2400.69 Chief? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2401.14 2401.9 Yes see. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2402.08 2403.98 Th the menu menu button is also important. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2403.98 2404.92 Then you can uh 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2404.16 2405.16 Yes I have put it in. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2407.65 2409.17 I don't see it. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2405.81 2407.65 Where? 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2409.17 2409.87 Oh Menu, alright. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2408.48 2408.82 Here. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2410 2415.15 I think things like uh contrast and brightness should be um in the menu, yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2414.67 2419.51 And you can uh then adjust it with the zapping buttons or something. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2419.51 2422.35 Because uh the zapping buttons aren't used then if you are in the menu. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2422.35 2422.8 Yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2422.8 2423.64 Or the volume, yeah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2413.82 2414.67 In the menu. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2419.21 2420.02 Yeah, the 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2419.94 2420.31 Alright. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2420.85 2422.52 Or the volume or something like that. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2429.37 2430.02 So 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2422.16 2422.86 Guys? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2422.86 2429.37 We're going to uh go to our uh rooms, and uh we'll have to decide s things on our own I think. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2426.36 2427.11 Your pen. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2427.46 2428.73 Ah. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2428.73 2428.96 Great. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2429.44 2429.96 Yes chief. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2432.19 2432.67 Alright. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2433.35 2435.67 I thought we'd uh lunch uh right now, or not? 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2433.66 2437.77 Well see you uh W w we have lunchtime, by the way, now uh so uh 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2434.28 2435.79 Yeah this is this is your thing. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2437.13 2438.08 Okay. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2436.48 2437.13 Ah. 
TS3009b H01 MTD035UID 2436.64 2437.8 Yeah, lunch break. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2437.88 2443.09 I am hungry. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2438.88 2439.48 Lunch. 
TS3009b H03 MTD036ME 2439.63 2442.48 Get into my belly. 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2443.79 2450.64 We didn't exactly do everything but So 
TS3009b H00 MTD033PM 2442.71 2443.79 Ah. 
TS3009b H02 MTD034ID 2448.08 2449.61 See you later mate. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 49.25 52.55 Um well I'll start with the presentation again, the agenda. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 43.5 49.25 Because if we have as much time as the last uh meeting, we'll have to hurry up. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 38.18 41.71 Uh door is closed. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 37.38 38.18 Okay. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 41.71 43.5 Well, let's begin. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 43.59 44.05 I'm listening. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 46.59 47.1 Right. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 51.57 51.95 Great. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 57.51 57.93 Yo. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 71.83 72.51 Well alright. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 62.15 64.97 So. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 69.19 71.83 Uh yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 64.97 69.19 Uh This one I think. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 81.98 86.06 We'll get your presentations again on the conceptual design. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 76.06 81.98 It's not as uh interesting as it should be because we just uh had the meeting, but I'll show them. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 86.06 87.07 Um 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 73.81 76.06 Um well, I'll show you the notes. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 87.55 91.97 Then we'll have to dec decide about the control, the remote control concepts. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 99.88 104.55 So this time we exactly know what to decide about. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 104.55 105.88 And then we'll close again. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 91.97 99.88 I've put a f uh a file in the project management folder, which says exactly uh what kind of decisions we should take. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 91.93 92.23 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 102.51 104.85 Alright, great. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 106.3 106.69 Alright. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 107.19 107.6 Uh 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 112.36 114.52 We'll first look at your uh presentations. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 109.61 112.36 Well these are some examples, but we'll talk about them later. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 114.52 114.88 Alright? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 113.79 114.26 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 116.71 118.95 Walter will uh start again this time? 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 118.23 118.76 Yeah, great. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 120.4 120.73 Yo. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 120.97 122.55 Alright, Trendwatch. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 123.53 124.03 'Kay. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 138.1 138.28 Right. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 141.51 148.93 I will speak about uh latest trends trends, latest fashion updates, and uh things we must not do. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 150.81 156.55 It's very important that uh the control is fancy looking and good uh feeling. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 148.93 150.81 Uh the trends. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 148.72 148.88 'Kay. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 167.46 171.7 That's uh something you uh have to take a look at. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 171.7 173.89 And uh the feeling has to be very great. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 157.49 167.46 Uh this because of our last model was very functional, but it uh people didn't like that, so our new mo model must be very good-looking. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 173.89 177.99 Also the menus and things like that they have to they have to feel great. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 170.58 171.46 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 171.46 171.73 Alright. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 178.26 178.56 Alright. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 183.85 188.8 This is uh two times as less important, and uh same for this one. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 188.8 196.07 Um, technological technological innovations, that's uh regarded very highly too. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 178.52 183.85 Um there's a minus uh two times here, because this is the most important point. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 185.65 186.92 Less. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 196.38 204.87 Uh such as an uh L. C. D. screen, uh speech uh acknowledgement, as we uh talked about earlier. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 204.87 207.85 So we have to have uh something like that, like we uh 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 203.16 203.81 Well, yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 207.78 210.78 L. C. D. and our uh our fronts. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 212.47 214.42 Uh the last point is easy to use. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 211.32 212.47 Right. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 221.67 222.15 Yeah? 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 217.84 221.67 I don't know who's uh who's going to look at that. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 214.42 217.84 Well I think that uh speaks for s for itself. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 222.2 223.02 I think that's your ta 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 220.88 222.2 Easy to use? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 221.54 230.13 Well, easy to use uh s is a bit uh contradictionary with the first uh Functional is not an issue, and then easy to use. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 230.13 231.94 Well we have to choose one of them. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 228.56 229.38 Yeah, I know. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 233.85 235.31 It's the most important one. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 232.37 233.85 I think we have to go for the first one. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 235.31 238.16 So we have to uh take that one. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 233.7 235.14 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 234.15 234.45 Mm. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 238.4 238.84 Okay. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 245.11 246.59 But it has to look great. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 239.35 245.11 So it it it isn't very important that that it works easy. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 245.03 248.02 Well something fancy looking can be can be easy to use. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 249.62 252.33 We'll we'll look at uh. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 248.61 249.62 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 251.46 252.78 We'll see. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 251.63 252.73 You Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 252.73 261.33 Yeah, yeah, you can make a very complicated uh uh remote anyway, so ease of use It's not a very comp complicated device. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 257.56 258.2 Yeah, right. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 270.69 273.51 So it must be very bright, very colourful. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 267.7 270.69 Uh these are the new colours of this year. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 273.51 274.33 People like this. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 260.04 267.02 But the most important thing is that it looks great and people say wow, that's real great uh great concept. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 267.02 267.7 Alright. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 266.24 266.77 Alright. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 266.48 266.69 'Kay. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 287.67 289.7 I am told. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 283.44 285.38 Fashion update? 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 285.38 287.67 Fruit and vegetables are cool. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 278.83 282.19 So i set your mind to it. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 275.67 278.83 So we we have to think uh in this direction. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 282.19 283.44 Findings? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 278.99 279.77 So 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 281.88 282.33 Well 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 287.69 292.43 Uh you think? 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 294.36 302.66 So we we we might cons consider in front of uh in in that sort of uh way. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 307.07 311.95 I was thinking of something like uh well uh iron plate over it,
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 317.42 320 And that's uh also for the younger public. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 290.43 294.36 The group we are targeting is uh very pleased with fruit and vegetables. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 311.95 317.42 maybe in a colour or something, that looks so f really flashy but it it is also strong. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 302.66 307.07 Uh furthermore uh material, that's your part, should be very strong. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 301.33 302.2 Yeah, well 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 302.49 303.41 Bananas. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 312.41 312.95 Mm. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 313.45 313.94 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 317.54 317.6 B 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 324.58 328.38 Th this year it's fruits but next year it's it's something totally different. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 320.33 324.58 Well the the handy thing about our fronts is that we can follow these trends e ev every year. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 327.16 328.71 Yeah, that's great. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 334.17 338.27 So it looks very heavy but you can still uh use it very easily. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 328.71 334.17 But I think we can all make the the fronts of titanium or something uh really thin. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 328.46 328.73 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 332.86 333.42 Yes. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 338.45 338.68 Mm. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 338.51 339.29 Yep, alright. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 350.76 355.39 We're gonna have real uh cool shapes and lots of colours. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 347.83 350.76 So uh we're gonna turn that around. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 341.58 344.41 Older people like dark colours and simple shapes. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 339.93 341.58 Well, the don'ts. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 344.41 347.83 Well we don't want uh older people, we want young people. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 355.39 356.37 Right? 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 356.37 356.56 Okay. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 350.8 351.39 Alright. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 357.55 357.8 Aha. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 356.1 357.55 Wood is popular. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 357.92 358.7 We don't want wood. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 358.97 360.96 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 359.14 360.93 Yeah, among the old people, yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 360.81 362 Old people. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 362 363.5 So, that's it for me. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 363.52 364.69 Alright. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 364.69 368.5 Nice, uh well show us. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 377.96 380.63 Right, I am going to tell you something about the components design. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 395.35 399.8 Um I have heard several things, so I uh I'll have to change that on the way. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 394.62 395.35 And the materials? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 387.75 394.62 This uh so um uh the different uh components of the of of the device. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 384.37 387.75 Uh again I have uh put up the specification properties. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 400.44 401.26 But uh the case? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 408.43 411.2 So maybe plastic is not uh sufficient. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 407.6 408.43 It should feel strong. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 401.26 405.11 Uh I suggested uh in the previous meeting hard plastic. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 411.2 412.96 We should move to uh something 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 405.11 407.6 But uh as you indicated uh it should be strong. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 405.92 407.29 Yeah, we should change that. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 411.66 415.12 Well maybe it it it is, but it doesn't look strong. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 415.12 416.15 So maybe 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 415.58 416.1 Well yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 422.68 422.94 So 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 416.1 422.68 Y Hard plastic i is of course uh pretty pretty tough, but it doesn't have a really really tough look. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 421.61 422.21 No no no. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 422.26 424.27 But we still have to look at our price of course. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 424.27 427.7 Because uh if we want an L. C. D. uh window etcetera uh 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 424.73 425.38 Also Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 424.37 424.73 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 430.95 434.86 And electrical cables, copper is all pretty basic stuff. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 427.5 428.84 But we'll return to that. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 436.91 438.7 I think that's the best uh way to do it. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 428.84 430.95 Uh the buttons of course rubber, I think everyone agrees. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 434.86 436.91 The chips made of silicon, I guess. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 427.18 427.5 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 438.7 442.81 And infra infrared l LED is uh just a simple bulb. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 428.67 428.89 Yeah? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 451.4 459.91 Um it's uh um generally the case that uh senior and wealthy people above uh forty five years old uh like,
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 459.91 465.43 as you said, uh particularly the traditional materials as such as wood and materials such as that. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 448.54 451.4 Uh the target audience product style. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 444.63 448.54 Then I've uh had a few findings, made a few findings. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 474.06 480.78 And then we have uh young uh and dynamic uh people, which is of course our uh group, the people we aim at. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 471.73 474.06 So this is things we must not do. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 465.96 469.37 They also like straightforward shapes and luxurious style. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 483.41 488.24 Uh they like soft materials uh with primary colours. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 480.78 483.41 Um under forty five years old. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 469.37 471.73 But of course that's not our uh things this. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 473.52 473.85 Yes. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 495.32 499.26 that uh it should be hard an and and and and strong looking. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 503.84 504.11 And 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 488.57 495.32 Soft materials is of course uh agai again a bit a contradiction with uh our uh material choice of what you said 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 499.26 503.84 But they like soft materials, uh so we might uh we have to consider that. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 499.05 499.41 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 498.69 499.05 Mm. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 499.68 500 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 504.57 506.11 also they like curved round shapes. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 506.11 510.52 So not uh too formal like like uh the older people want. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 510.52 518.88 And if uh also a finding but not very ap applicable here, that sports and gaming devices such as uh 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 519.11 524.27 discmans for jogging and that those kind of devices, gaming devices, should define the characteristics of the device. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 524.27 529.09 But uh since we don't have a really a sports or gaming device, so we don't really have to consider that. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 529.04 537.59 Sports uh, they're uh that uh are accessible on on your L. C. D. uh window uh Huh? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 537.59 538.65 That's nice. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 534.73 534.97 Mm. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 532.4 534.73 Soccer fronts. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 535.85 536.21 Mm. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 538.47 538.59 Hmm. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 539.8 541.91 Well I also have um 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 539.91 541.03 All the results? 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 541.15 543.83 We keep coming back to the fronts. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 543 543.4 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 543.88 549.54 several examples of uh styles, so you can get a clear picture of uh what I mean. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 548.91 549.36 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 551.01 556.29 Uh these are the basic uh older older peoples' stuff. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 556.57 557.48 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 556.94 557.38 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 564.08 565.3 I don't know what exactly they are. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 557.9 562.5 It was not very uh interesting uh, very classical looking, but that's n that's not what we want. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 573.07 579.37 You also uh see uh this device, it's not very round and Fruity of course. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 562.5 564.08 We have these kind of things. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 579.37 581.54 Yeah, it uh That's true. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 565.3 573.07 It looks like Well you know uh you recognise the shapes, it's very primary colours, uh bright colours and uh round shapes. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 565.39 565.53 Nai. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 561.37 565.39 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 565.53 567.08 Uh no. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 562.72 563.01 Hmm. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 579.22 579.59 Fruity. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 563.6 579.22 Fruity. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 581.99 582.49 Alright. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 580.35 581.99 It's t terrible. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 592.54 594.08 So to give you an idea of uh 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 582.65 584.8 And uh well round shapes, primary colours. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 586.04 588.4 And of course uh this famous device. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 584.8 586.04 You can see it all here. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 588.4 592.54 I think as you know something uh some devices like this. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 586.79 587.04 Hmm? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 590.67 591.48 Yeah, alright. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 596.09 596.24 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 592.63 596.09 Well it's got a strong look, this. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 601.11 601.91 That's uh 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 596.02 601.11 Although it's plastic, it's it's grey to to to give it iron look. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 595.22 596.02 This has a strong look. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 597.66 599.52 Yeah, it still has a strong look. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 600.64 601.34 And it's round. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 599.52 600.64 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 601.6 603.14 But then you are losing your fruity colours. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 603.8 604.11 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 604.11 605.37 Well we have to make a 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 604.94 609.52 Well you can make th th th that middle ring can you you can make another colour. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 609.52 612.47 So uh those kind of things you can you can combine. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 609.25 609.63 That's true. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 613.98 620.28 I don't think that's very practical, but But uh it's important to to uh to think about the colour. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 620.28 627.75 Because if we make it grey or or silvery looking, it it does make it a lot more uh does make it looking a lot more stronger. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 610.17 613.98 Well we can't really make a round uh a round remote control. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 627.75 633.52 'Cause if you look at this, it it doesn't look very very strong, becau But this is plastic, and and this too, but 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 615.25 616.15 No, it isn't. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 619.55 620 Okay. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 627.59 628.77 Yeah but the 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 627.69 627.89 Yes. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 633.8 639.59 The the results are, the feel of the material is expected to be strongy. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 639.59 640.11 The feel. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 632.3 633.8 But it doesn't have to look strong. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 638.99 639.64 The feel? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 639.64 641.67 Uh alright. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 641.67 642.26 Well 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 641.78 642.85 So, if you ti 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 642.4 646.5 And it it doesn't have to be strong, also. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 646.5 647.9 Only the feel. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 644.76 645.34 Well 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 644.89 646.28 Nah yeah the feel 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 650.3 652.97 So it it looks pretty but it feels strong. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 646.21 650.3 You you Maybe you should have uh some some coloured titanium or something. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 653.2 653.51 Right. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 653.37 653.6 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 653.9 654.41 Oh. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 655 655.42 I agree. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 656.86 664.46 Um uh about the energy energy source of the of the device, uh I uh suggest uh the basic battery. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 655.1 656.86 And I Then I have some more findings. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 664.46 668.13 I uh got some other um uh uh energy sources of course. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 668.13 672.37 But solar energy is not very practical inside a house, because you don't have a have a lot of uh sun. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 676.98 681.6 for uh for a simple remote, that's a bit, oh, that's a bit uh 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 672.96 676.98 And uh kinetic and and and dynamos are are not very practical, I think,
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 680.12 683.42 No titanium. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 683.92 686.13 That's a bit uh much. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 695.15 697.12 That that's the information I received. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 686.13 691.01 And I also suggest uh as a shape uh a double curved case. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 697.12 700.97 If you use the curved case, uh a curved case, double curved then you 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 691.01 695.15 Uh the disadvantage of that that you can use no titanium. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 701.82 703.61 What do you exactly mean with double curved? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 716.29 720.75 Uh a more modern look not plain, long box style, but 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 706.89 711.07 And uh now the the shape, yeah, a curved case. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 711.07 716.29 Um yeah I think uh sort of triangle-shaped bottom or something. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 703.57 706.89 Now uh this uh to give it a more modern look. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 702.15 703.57 can't use titanium. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 720.38 722.99 I dunno. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 721.33 722.15 Double curved? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 726.84 731.73 And it makes uh it gives it a more u user friendly shape, than if you have uh. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 722.63 726.84 I'll draw it, but maybe later. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 731.73 732.66 Um anyway 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 723.05 724.84 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 724.84 726.5 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 723.16 726.66 It it mean Yeah, well okay. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 732.94 736.13 Um f as uh for the buttons, simple push buttons. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 736.13 743.77 No uh otherwi uh no um difficult scroll things or some uh things like that, because it makes more complex and expensive. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 744.36 754.44 And, uh as we agreed, we don't use a speaker or a sensor or um uh speak uh speech uh controlled device. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 764.11 764.41 But 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 756.16 762.26 But we do use an L. C. D. screen, so we uh we do have to consider uh of we have to use a more advanced chip 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 754.44 756.16 Because it makes it also more complex and expensive. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 762.26 764.11 which is more complex and expensive. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 751.32 751.7 Yeah right. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 765.17 765.63 Well 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 765.73 767.6 It's worth the trouble I think, because 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 766.65 769.71 The buttons can be made of an uh a soft material. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 770.73 771.71 Because people like that. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 772.18 774.9 This soft material thing from uh Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 774.77 776.63 Uh soft enough. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 776.63 778.82 So that's uh basically what I want to talk about. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 773.17 774.77 Uh rubber is a soft material, I guess. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 774.56 775.28 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 775.28 775.6 Right. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 775.89 776.08 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 774.9 775.54 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 775.54 775.89 Right. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 780.08 780.84 We will take that. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 777.59 779.1 Alright. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 779.1 780.08 Okay. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 780.84 782.48 And then uh Mike? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 794.33 794.83 Okay. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 800.45 800.67 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 804.63 810.97 Well um nah the method um we will um include the buttons as we discussed uh earlier. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 830.14 835.21 And um well they're cheap, so we could use them now. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 819.11 830.14 Um there are new developments in speech recognition um systems, um and they are already being uh used on uh coffee machines. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 815.72 819.11 Um we must decide where, this meeting. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 812.35 815.72 Um an L. C. D. s screen will be implemented. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 833.98 834.61 Oh 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 835.82 843.83 Um it's not really speech recognition, it's more um like you can um talk to the chip,
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 843.83 853.13 uh record the message and record an answer, and then once you uh talk to the remote, then um he will a answer with the 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 836.3 836.95 That's interesting. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 856.41 863.24 So if I say hi Mike, and you have recorded uh hi Mike back, then you will get that. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 854.34 856.41 the prerecorded message that you left. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 856.72 857.87 Oh, yeah, I understand. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 857.87 858.1 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 856.77 857.56 Oh okay. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 863.66 867.98 But you can also say that, when you say something, it does some function. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 862.52 863.66 Okay. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 863.38 863.81 Right. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 867.4 870.07 No it doesn't does not do anything. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 870.07 873.73 But i it's just a Yeah it's it's cheap. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 868.13 868.36 No. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 868.88 869.23 Oh. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 870.21 871.1 That's a bit uh 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 872 874.58 It's it's just a an extra function, and it's cheap. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 870.25 872 But that that makes it cheap. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 872.33 872.85 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 873.36 874.5 I understand. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 872.66 873.36 Yes. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 874.5 877.05 But it has no functionality for our remote at all. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 876.05 877.03 No but 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 876.43 878.59 No but that's the gadget they want, or the gimmicks. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 879.52 880.43 Young people love them. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 877.69 879.52 Yeah, right. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 878.97 880.96 But it it's n nice for young people. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 880.96 881.61 They like gadgets. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 881.61 881.76 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 884.44 885.22 Um 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 880.68 884.44 Yes, we we should really uh include that one, I think. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 881.23 881.84 Yeah, ple 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 883.45 883.83 Right. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 884.23 884.78 If it's cheap. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 884.78 885.03 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 884.32 885.02 Hmm. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 892.72 899.82 Um the buttons for screen width and general settings and uh and that kind of stuff 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 886.39 892.72 Well, as I said uh earlier I think the uh L. C. D. screen should be uh positioned at the lower end of the remote. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 911.07 916.55 I think young people and yeah w well every user would like that. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 900.05 911.07 um we can also do let that kind of functions um be shown in the L. C. D. screen, uh instead of uh extra buttons. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 907.96 909.41 So you put a menu in the L. C. D. ? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 928.79 934.03 For the learnability and uh well to keep it recognisable. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 934.03 936.71 A voice recognition can be uh implemented. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 918.47 928.79 Um the buttons um should be positioned uh positioned the same way as they are on a, well, conventional remote, I think. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 937.92 944.5 And uh I drew an example, but it did not work quite the well uh the way I wanted it to do. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 948.1 952.05 I didn't tick the note bo box in the. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 952.05 952.51 Um 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 944.5 945.08 Hmm? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 945.08 948.1 Well I have the I can draw it again, and I know what I did wrong. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 940.73 943.51 Alright. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 943.51 945.68 How How 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 943.14 945.56 Can you draw it now of uh Can you draw it now? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 944.82 945.1 Ah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 951.12 951.52 Alright. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 950.68 951.12 Mm. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 952.61 955.98 How do you uh uh give input to the menu on the L. C. D. screen? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 957.12 963.18 Um with the uh the up and down and and well buttons and the 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 961.52 962.29 Alright. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 962.29 965.16 So you have a menu button, and then you can go up and down. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 964.78 967.7 Well I will draw what I had drawn on the screen. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 964.8 968.61 But then we should also have an uh an Okay button. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 968.71 969.32 Yeah right. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 969.79 972.78 Um I shall draw this. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 972.78 974.12 If it uh works. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 968.98 969.79 Yes. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 970.3 971.69 button, yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 976.59 978.43 Just uh There is already a blank. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 978.43 978.96 Yes? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 978.96 979.92 So Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 979.12 979.98 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 981 981.77 Mm so have I. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 985.9 986.32 Nah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 991.26 993.11 You have to push hard. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1005.65 1007.15 I suggest a banana shape. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1008.65 1010.84 Because of the fruity uh fashion. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1008.67 1008.99 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1010.22 1010.73 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1011.64 1014.25 No m Next year that's out. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1012.64 1013.97 Yellow and 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1016.79 1019.12 Just a hunch. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1014.94 1016.79 Yeah alright, yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1020.7 1025.79 Well these little buttons are a bit difficult to uh draw uh 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1024.14 1024.58 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1026.5 1028.86 Those are the the cha the channel buttons of course? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1027.02 1027.5 correct. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1028.27 1029.84 Yeah just uh the numbers. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1033.27 1035.39 And then below is the L. C. D. screen? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1039.33 1042.64 These these will be bigger in the the real design. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1042.08 1042.93 Alright, yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1049.47 1053.36 And with this you can uh, yes, go to through the menus and that can 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1044.23 1049.47 This must be the Okay button used to uh interact with the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1048.91 1049.32 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1050.81 1051.04 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1054.47 1064.44 Um the video button should be uh an apart button, because you want it to uh t, yeah, to use it fast within one uh click. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1055.36 1056.15 You've 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1058.44 1058.88 Yes. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1062.15 1062.6 Right. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1065.08 1066.28 And what's the menu button? 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1065.11 1067.13 And you you need a you need a speaker. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1065.26 1067.19 Um it's 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1068.48 1070.15 For the 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1068.6 1068.8 Hmm? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1070.2 1076.35 This button can also be the Menu button, we use in the menus Well we we can add another button here, but 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1073.64 1076.26 But how did How do you get out of the menu then? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1076.26 1076.55 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1081.4 1081.47 Uh 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1077.83 1081.4 Maybe I you could j just do an an exit with Okay. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1078.6 1081.05 Uh by pe pressing the menu button again. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1083.45 1087.07 It's usual the the the d kind of the way it works. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1081.05 1083.45 By pressing the menu button again, you go uh out. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1082.33 1083.08 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1083.08 1083.59 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1082.81 1083.16 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1092.26 1092.92 And 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1085.13 1092.26 Yes, well but bec because when you push Menu you get in, and then you have to push Okay when you get to a choice. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1088.14 1088.94 Yeah? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1088.94 1089.1 Yeah? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1092.15 1092.98 Well you you 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1091.17 1092.15 Ah right. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1092.33 1094.97 But you can men you can press menu again to get out. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1091.74 1092.33 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1096.98 1098.99 That's you you should have uh 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1095.27 1096.98 Well that's also the Okay button. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1097.42 1102.83 No no, we we we should uh add uh a extra Menu button and this the Okay button. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1097.76 1098.16 No. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1101.38 1106.33 Or you can put in the L. C. D. 's uh window an option Get Out. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1106.83 1107.33 Exit. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1107.78 1108.23 Exit. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1112.99 1114.45 You have uh redundancy. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1108.27 1112.99 Ah once you have an extra Menu button, you don't need that that extra option. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1112.28 1114.16 Well, it's just a choice. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1118.97 1119.64 Or don't 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1113.18 1118.97 But we need a we need a a recording recording button for the speech uh part. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1119.22 1122.3 Yeah, if we decide to uh to implement that, maybe we should. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1121.61 1126.82 Why would you put it uh then, and where is the recording uh the microphone? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1126.82 1127.51 Where would you put it? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1129.09 1130.52 It could be uh down here. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1127.01 1128.33 Well they that could be anywhere. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1128.33 1129.09 That's very small. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1133.04 1133.35 Uh-huh. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1135.4 1137.23 I yeah I suggest here. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1133.52 1134.73 Um. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1140.33 1140.82 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1137.23 1140.33 But that's just a little gap. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1134.73 1135.4 Well, not here. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1139.29 1142.1 Right, and spea speaker at the back, or something. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1139.56 1140.35 Microphone, yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1141.83 1146.38 Well the speaker and the microphone, I think, are the same uh little hole thingy. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1147 1149.66 Yeah I understand. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1149.66 1155.88 Uh but uh we could uh d do, but it's perhaps more expensive, uh the speaker on the back or something. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1148.28 1150.04 Alright. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1148.72 1149.67 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1154.16 1154.82 Well i 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1163.49 1163.88 But 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1156.82 1163.49 Um there are a all already being implemented in in coffee machines, so they won't be uh very expensive. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1164.33 1164.53 Huh? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1165.13 1165.38 Alright. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1165.58 1166.05 Alright. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1166.33 1166.95 Yeah? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1166.95 1167.33 Okay. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1167.28 1169.89 This is my suggested design. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1169.89 1172.11 Um Yes. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1170.07 1174.9 Um then let's have a look at the decisions we are going to have to make. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1168.53 1170.07 Well, okay, alright. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1184.36 1187.01 But 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1175.63 1184.36 And oh I think as you can see so, the L. C. D. screen does look better uh at the lower end, or at the bottom. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1182.68 1183.72 I'd I agree. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1184.2 1187.15 Yeah, fine. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1187.15 1187.89 Move on. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1185.17 1188.39 Fine. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1187.64 1189 Well yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1190 1190.32 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1193.25 1193.66 You can uh 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1190.44 1193.25 Oh, um I had some uh examples. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1192.73 1193.46 I can live with it. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1193.58 1193.95 Yes? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1194.65 1195.61 But 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1197.6 1199.76 I did not like it very much, but 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1201.49 1202.75 Well these are 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1203.51 1203.98 Too big. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1203.89 1208.23 quite obvious, very ugly remote. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1208.23 1209.25 Um 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1206.97 1207.3 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1208.07 1209.91 They do they don't look fruity enough. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1209.64 1211.67 Nei They're n they're not trendy. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1210.09 1211.27 No, well th 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1210.72 1211.75 They're all black. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1212.47 1213.67 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1213.67 1217.14 Well not all. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1216.12 1218.77 Hey, that one I like. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1218.8 1220.83 Uh this is for children but th 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1218.86 1219.82 Tho Yeah those 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1220.16 1221.17 It doesn't look strong. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1221.39 1222.08 No. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1221.53 1222.08 No. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1222.28 1223.9 But it doesn't uh the 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1223.42 1226.27 W but with the colours i it's a bit the way we're going to. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1223.85 1227.94 The remote. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1226.42 1226.86 Yeah right. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1226.86 1227.63 Yeah, ok Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1227.61 1229.93 Well this is a terrible 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1228.96 1229.41 Terrible. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1229.41 1230.38 This is just crazy. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1231.4 1235.21 But it it must not look too childish of course huh? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1231.96 1233.47 It's it's all too much buttons. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1233.47 1234.22 Too many buttons. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1234.22 1234.74 That's 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1237.14 1242.57 I think we should, if it's um possible, uh one with colours, but 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1232.13 1235.13 Um this looks Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1235.13 1237.14 This uh these are the L. C. D. screens. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1245.45 1246.07 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1242.77 1245.45 Nah th It's too expensive. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1245.73 1246.18 Alright. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1243.47 1245.73 I don't know uh Too expensive? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1243.99 1245.57 Well, that's too expensive I think. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1247.72 1248.93 Well Nah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1247.97 1249.1 But it Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1248.07 1249.42 Alright. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1249.42 1249.67 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1250.78 1251.23 Okay. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1252.54 1253.85 Ha, even more. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1253.85 1254.06 N 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1252.58 1252.8 Huh. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1254.43 1256.53 Mm no. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1257.73 1259.89 But are we going for a strange uh form? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1257.78 1258.07 'Kay. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1261.3 1262.7 No, not very strange. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1261.56 1262.42 'Cause people like that. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1264.3 1265.08 No. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1262.63 1264.3 Not not too strange. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1263.82 1264.36 Not too strange. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1264.36 1269.08 You can make the the underside, you can make it more round, where the L. C. D. is. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1264.38 1265.06 It still has t 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1270.21 1272 So it f falls over the hand. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1268.08 1270.21 Th a a kind of bridge. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1267.52 1268.08 Yes. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1270.41 1277.75 I dunno if you know the No Nokia telephone, with uh the round uh thing at at the bottoms, s something like that. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1270.48 1271.05 Well 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1275.58 1275.76 Yeah? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1274.86 1275.58 Yeah? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1278.76 1279.17 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1278.85 1280.25 You know? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1289.67 1290.94 That's It feels comfortable. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1280.06 1282.83 Well I have at home a remote with a bridge. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1282.83 1289.67 It's just a half round half half circle at And then it falls exactly over the hand, and that's very nice. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1295.33 1297.54 Yeah, different. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1291.86 1295.33 Yeah, but people like something uh new you know. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1297.54 1297.99 Y yis 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1297.27 1299.11 I will design it, we design it later. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1295.97 1297.27 We have t Yeah, yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1294.42 1295.97 Exotic yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1299.11 1301.01 So we'll get to that later I guess. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1296.93 1297.21 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1300.69 1300.9 Great. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1299.89 1300.69 Alright. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1300.86 1301.66 Yeah, alright. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1301.66 1304.03 Um where did I put it? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1304.03 1307.64 Um conceptual phase, I think this is it. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1303.92 1304.99 The specific shape. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1304.99 1305.79 The 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1313.68 1317.82 So Uh yeah the conceptual design. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1309.93 1313.68 I got this from our friends. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1314.08 1316.32 Our sources. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1319.31 1322.39 These are a few examples which we have to decide about. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1322.39 1330.05 All the the materials from the case, uh the electric cable that's all your uh your side of the story. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1331.08 1331.71 Um 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1331.47 1333.48 Your bag. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1339.63 1343.71 Um where No well, that's more like the buttons where they have to come. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1332.59 1334.51 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1343.71 1344.35 And um 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1334.51 1339.63 Um now from the user interface, your uh package? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1345.59 1349.46 B a bit of, yeah well, a bit of uh design. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1353.17 1353.64 Right? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1350.1 1353.17 Yeah, this is what we've just done. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1352.85 1354.15 But uh we should decide now. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1361.47 1362.29 Wow. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1357.89 1361.47 So as you said, fruity is in, well sells good. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1356.01 1357.89 And uh the trend-watching. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1362.29 1363.34 Uh these things. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1352.96 1356.01 Yes, but we have to decide about these now. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1354.52 1355.21 Ah right. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1354.96 1355.9 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1355.9 1358.03 Materials are the most, most impor 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1361.53 1362.16 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1363.49 1365.68 So we have to uh put it in one uh document. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1366.59 1367.46 Uh yes. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1367.46 1369.96 Um so if we uh go through them 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1369.59 1376.98 Copy paste uh this story into a into a Word document, and then uh put the answers after the subjects. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1376.98 1377.23 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1380.14 1380.87 Not everything. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1382.38 1383.88 Well we have to decide all these things? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1384.08 1387.3 Yeah but all these examples are uh of a coffee machine. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1387.84 1388.68 Yeah well uh 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1389.92 1392.04 W we can uh override them? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1390.13 1391.11 Why should I uh 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1392.19 1392.51 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1394.93 1395.4 So 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1396.55 1397.44 Uh that's me. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1395.7 1396.55 Well a case? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1397.44 1400.94 Uh I suggest Well what do I suggest actually? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1399.86 1402.73 What what kind of properties should it have? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1402.73 1403.9 Well we just listened. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1405.9 1406.12 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1402.4 1405.9 Uh s solid, yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1410.44 1415.81 yeah, some kind of metal for the uh the the whole remote except the front. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1404.01 1410.44 I think we Why don't we um use uh titanium or or a hard,
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1415.81 1415.98 That 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1413.43 1414.59 Do you know the new uh 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1417.57 1420.83 Just like um most cell phones are. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1421.98 1423.65 So we have titanium. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1418.64 1420.91 Yeah, I understand. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1420.91 1421.98 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1418.8 1420.32 No no 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1423.07 1424.57 The front is the most important. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1424.55 1433.89 Yeah but the non-removable elements of the of the remote, so not the front, could be titanium, to give that uh strong look. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1435.55 1439.38 And you can put that on and off, and switch it. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1433.89 1435.55 And then the front is made of plastic. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1432.23 1432.67 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1433.55 1434.29 You know what? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1441.08 1441.62 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1441.37 1443.64 But the feel of plastic isn't strong. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1443.29 1445.36 No but you have titanium of course. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1445.36 1447.95 Uh you have the best of both worlds. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1443.8 1445.36 No but you you have this Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1446.44 1448.24 Yeah alright, alright. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1448.24 1448.61 'Kay. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1448.58 1450.56 Yeah, you have the re remote in your hand like this. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1450.56 1454.6 So you feel titanium. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1456.12 1458.28 But you also have the titanium. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1453.66 1456.12 And of course, yeah, you have the the the plastic front end. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1457.63 1460.59 Fronts are are cheaper than when they're from plas 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1456.47 1457.63 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1459.63 1459.88 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1459.96 1462.03 Yeah of course, but yeah you have to make a 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1463.36 1466.46 And I don't know if you can make steel just any way you want it to. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1463.72 1464.36 decision. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1467.71 1469.63 Yeah, but it it's expensive. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1469.73 1471.75 Uh titanium I sh I think uh 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1469.17 1469.73 I guess so. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1469.9 1470.51 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1473.06 1473.88 Bendable. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1471.6 1473.06 Bendable. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1473.21 1474.24 Well, well the 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1472.67 1473.21 Huh? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1474.24 1475.79 Well any colour 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1483.09 1486.3 and uh we can uh make uh an entire remote out of it, if we want. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1476.39 1483.09 According to my sources, uh it's it's totally possible to make an entire uh uh uh Titanium is available,
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1486.02 1489.08 Yeah, then you you paint it in the colour you want it. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1489.08 1492.04 The plastic is is the colour you want it. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1488.83 1489.18 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1488.92 1489.17 Mm. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1490.25 1490.88 Paint spray. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1491.52 1492.03 Mm. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1492.33 1492.81 Yeah alright. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1494.28 1495.09 So Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1495.46 1498.7 So, we're going for a titanium back and a plastic front? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1495.88 1496.43 Alright. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1497.98 1498.74 I've uh 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1498.78 1501.71 Yeah, I think that's a nice trade-off. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1499.19 1499.37 Mm. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1503.08 1506.72 Um well I am going to put it in here, uh because we can uh look. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1501.82 1503.08 Okay. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1499.75 1501.82 Titanium back, plastic front. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1506.72 1513.91 I Um solid feel and trendy look. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1513.91 1519.25 So material, um hard plastic for the front? 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1505.91 1506.58 Yeah, great. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1506.61 1506.92 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1507.4 1507.64 Alright. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1518.45 1520.9 Yeah, for the front and then titanium for the back. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1519.49 1519.93 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1522.52 1524.3 For the non-removable uh part. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1533.84 1534.26 You know? 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1529.17 1533.84 When you want an other colour on the front, it doesn't match. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1524.37 1529.17 But then you have the problem, when you have a titanium back, you can't switch it. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1533.82 1534.74 Well but 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1534.24 1536.4 Well titanium is neutral. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1547.39 1550.72 and it doesn't really matter if we have a purple front on it or a orange front. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1535.9 1541.97 The titan titanium isn't isn't v very Yeah, i it doesn't uh curves. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1543.82 1547.39 Titanium is very No no no, but you know b Titanium is very basic colour 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1550.72 1554.78 I dunno if if you disagree, but I think it's doesn't matter very much. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1541.97 1543.82 No uh I nei. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1541.03 1545.47 I understand. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1545.47 1547.79 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1547.79 1547.98 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1547.79 1548.13 Hmm. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1549.65 1549.93 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1550.49 1550.76 Alright. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1551.96 1552.63 Well 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1552.82 1553.08 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1553.08 1553.56 Alright. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1553.22 1558.76 Our customers will use those uh funky uh trendy colours, and they don't use uh wood. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1561.42 1564.21 Alright. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1556.43 1561.42 Funky customers. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1557.21 1562.94 And even if it does uh doesn't match, it will uh People like mm colours that don't match. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1561.2 1563.03 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1560.4 1561.2 Mm. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1561.54 1561.94 Okay. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1561.94 1573.62 And well the the electrical cable is just normal uh. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1566.69 1568.36 Cop copper uh material. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1571.61 1571.86 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1571.79 1572.53 Excuse me? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1574.16 1577.3 The electrical cable uh does 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1575.09 1577.98 It's uh from uh our coffee uh 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1576.18 1578.31 Yeah copper i just a ba basic uh 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1579.46 1581.68 Yeah inside, but this is for the coffee uh machine. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1577.89 1579.46 No we don't use an electrical cable. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1580.57 1581.13 Yeah in 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1582.49 1585.47 Yeah well inside the remote control we use a couple of uh 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1584.19 1585.07 Of course. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1584.52 1587.84 Yeah, but that's not what's meant here, I think. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1587.59 1587.79 Nei. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1589.59 1590.25 So external. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1591.74 1594.12 Oh external? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1597.58 1598.72 Never mind the coffee grind. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1594.12 1597.58 Well A coffee grind doesn't have Na ja. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1592.66 1592.99 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1593 1593.26 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1598.26 1603.8 Well uh all the all the inside work of our remote is uh standard 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1604.79 1605.6 work. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1605.6 1607.78 So 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1605.95 1608.35 Right? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1608.43 1610.57 The chip is normal silicon. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1621.54 1624.28 The conceptual specification of the user interface? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1614.92 1621.54 Uh we decide about that just by looking at our competitors and our earlier uh remotes. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1610.57 1612.97 Uh the buttons are normal, etcetera. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1612.97 1613.72 Okay? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1613.72 1614.92 So that's just easy. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1614.85 1615.13 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1613.7 1614.85 Alright. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1625.41 1629.05 Um well we have our beautiful drawing. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1629.21 1631.82 Alright. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1629.42 1631.78 Well I got a better one here and I will um 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1631.99 1636.15 Well you can put that in uh into the shared folder, and then I'll put it in our end report. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1633.28 1634.58 The shared folder. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1636.89 1640.31 I will work this out uh for the uh next meeting. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1638.36 1639.58 Yes, you can 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1641 1644.14 You can uh put some uh which button is what. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1640.62 1641 Mm yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1644.14 1645.11 Okay. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1645.11 1647.55 Um the trend-watching 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1643.74 1644.31 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1648.57 1650.88 included these days. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1650.88 1651.84 And what do we? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1651.84 1655.38 We thing that fruit and bright colours are 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1656.11 1657.75 Yeah the the the front w 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1660.44 1668.36 You can buy a different kind of of of machine, but it's the same thing, but with another front. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1668.36 1668.59 So 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1656.94 1660.44 I think we can launch a couple of packages. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1661.23 1661.72 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1668.52 1675.27 We can also uh implement um we can also implement fronts from um movies that are very hot. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1667.73 1668.52 Yes. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1675.27 1676.91 Uh those kind of things. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1667.96 1668.27 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1669.22 1671.04 Yeah that's the whole idea of the front. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1669.64 1670.86 And you can you can 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1670.33 1671.3 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1671.3 1671.78 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1675.27 1675.98 Yes. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1676.96 1678.98 The fronts y you can do anything with them. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1675.98 1676.96 But that's for later on. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1675.35 1675.71 Yeah right. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1678.78 1679.02 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1679.58 1684.38 Yeah but if you if you launch uh five different packages like iPod mini 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1683.04 1687.61 Yeah, right For the uh initiative uh launch. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1686.83 1687.14 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1687.55 1688.77 For the for the launch, yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1688.62 1689.37 It's good marketing. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1688.64 1688.95 Mm. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1691.89 1693.68 Launch different lines at once. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1694.22 1698.9 Not not very uh sim Not 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1691.93 1694.22 So e th then a c couple of basic colours. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1695.78 1697.81 Yeah, n not too heavy. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1697.81 1702.35 You can always take another pick. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1700.29 1700.65 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1700.92 1703.95 We should not give them the m the most lovely front 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1711.27 1714.69 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1708.73 1711.27 More basic. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1706.82 1708.73 Yeah right. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1703.85 1706.82 They have to buy it later on. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1706.77 1708.13 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1705.4 1706.77 when they buy it for the first time. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1708.13 1709.61 Come on. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1709.61 1713.54 We still have to make those fifty million, yeah? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1706.12 1708.36 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1707.61 1710.6 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1706.24 1707.61 Oh yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1710.6 1710.87 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1712.62 1714.71 The most boring fronts possible. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1711.33 1712.62 Very boring, yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1712.59 1722.02 Well you can you can give them uh s s three or so, so that they can uh experiment with it and that they want more. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1722.02 1722.72 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1714.94 1716.27 The most ugly. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1718.57 1719.11 Yeah, right. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1719.65 1719.92 Two. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1720.35 1726.2 Yeah but you you can have some basic colours, and then we come with the special patterns on them, and and uh And uh 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1723.8 1728.92 Red red, blue and green you give them or something, and then you can give them uh other ones. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1724 1724.22 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1724.73 1724.96 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1727.4 1727.81 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1727.81 1728.41 Alright. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1742.42 1753.66 we'll have to uh s s specify the different uh types we want to launch, when we uh well introduce our remote. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1735.85 1742.42 Uh this fruit and bright colours, yeah well I think we'll have to in the next uh half an hour,
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1729.54 1735.85 Um well the buttons etcetera, we get from Mike. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1756.19 1758.3 Because yeah we have the sketch but 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1752.19 1756.19 Uh we still have to make We have still have to make the es the the real basic design. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1762.21 1763.65 Else it w won't sell. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1763.65 1764.11 So 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1756.58 1757.39 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1757.39 1762.21 But we we must remember that fancy look-and-feel is the most important thing. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1761.94 1762.46 Yes. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1765.48 1766.47 Yes. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1766.47 1771.64 Well I'll have to, before I get another warning for five minutes, I'm going to get 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1765.49 1766.26 Alright, yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1773.82 1777.4 Uh where is my mouse? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1772.96 1773.82 Where is my mouse? 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1774.93 1780.89 Lost my mouse. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1780.48 1782.21 Um this is it. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1778.72 1780.48 Oh yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1784.39 1787.31 Unbelievable. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1799.6 1801.74 Supplements, L. C. D. . 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1792.26 1795.81 Well, um this we have. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1798.27 1799.6 Interface we have. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1795.81 1798.27 Uh basic stuff. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1801.74 1804.4 Maybe a a cheap voice recording. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1795.05 1795.27 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1805.66 1807.39 Well Yes. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1808.15 1809.43 Individual actions. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1807.39 1808.15 Alright. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1805.68 1806.68 Yeah we should do that. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1805.95 1806.54 The price? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1810.3 1810.53 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1809.35 1810.3 We all agree on that. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1810.47 1810.7 Mm. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1815.05 1816.1 You're going to work together 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1813.76 1815.05 User Interface, Mike. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1811.48 1813.76 Industry designer,. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1817.17 1819.56 on a prototype drawing on the SMARTboard. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1820.81 1821.79 Yeah, we can do that. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1822.13 1824.84 Together or uh Yeah together. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1824.84 1826.8 How Yeah yeah, but how do I 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1823.79 1825.08 Yeah togeth 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1824.73 1827.39 That's what I got uh to hear. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1826.15 1828.44 But bu we stay we stay here or something? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1831.51 1832.24 But I think so. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1832.24 1834.28 Th they're saying SMARTboard and that's it 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1828.6 1831.51 Yes well we'll get it to hear that I think. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1831.78 1836.48 You can take the SMARTboard. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1836.59 1838.27 And take it to our rooms and uh 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1834.85 1836.59 Ah right. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1834.94 1836.25 This is the SMARTboard, so 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1838.42 1845.98 Um so you can uh you you are going to make a prototype, and y Well that's includes uh specifying the buttons etcetera. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1844.94 1848.03 Ah, specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1850.85 1859.93 Um well you will go and do something else uh on the project yeah project evaluation. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1847.33 1848.09 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1859.93 1860.89 So um 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1848.09 1850.85 So you'll get it on your em on your laptop. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1853.64 1861.77 Have fun. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1861.77 1862.14 'Kay. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1853.84 1857.12 Some 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1858.22 1859.54 Some non functional tasks. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1862.59 1864.65 ,0 what are you going to do? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1864.65 1868.89 Uh I don't know what product evaluation exactly means, but uh you'll get uh the specifications. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1869.21 1873.77 We don't have produ product yet, so kind of difficult. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1871.15 1871.39 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1871.39 1872.53 That's why I uh 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1873.64 1874.45 But uh 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1873.69 1875.64 You're fired. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1875.64 1876.35 No but 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1876.29 1877.61 How long do we still have? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1879.12 1880.33 Well, can we talk about something else? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1880.33 1881.16 Uh 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1880.93 1881.55 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1882.81 1886.36 Uh no I don't know anything, but maybe uh anyone else uh Yeah? 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1886.68 1886.78 Nah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1883.77 1886.68 Ajax. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1884.58 1885.12 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1885.12 1885.64 Um 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1886.73 1892.01 Will we use uh round buttons or square ones for the for the numbers? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1892.01 1894.28 Yeah I I I also uh thought Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1890.08 1891.69 Um round. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1892.26 1892.65 Round. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1891.69 1892.26 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1890.51 1891.23 Round I think. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1892.85 1895.33 To make it as uh as round as possible. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1895.17 1905.43 And these uh these s these buttons uh are more uh triangle-ish shaped with a square one in the middle. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1906.11 1906.58 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1905.43 1906.11 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1899.99 1901.13 Why does 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1902.96 1903.61 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1903.61 1905.94 So you can see you have to up or down. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1902.11 1902.96 Curvy. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1904.75 1906.31 Ah f fuck you. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1907.59 1911.08 But now I see the 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1908.25 1912.09 And this must be uh volume I think, and this programme. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1910.65 1910.98 Heh? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1914.32 1916.22 Mm. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1916.56 1918.55 We can't get 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1917.13 1923.29 Well most of the time uh up and down is programme and left and right are volume, I think. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1923.32 1926.52 Well th th th th th that depends uh. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1924.4 1925.33 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1924.94 1926.22 Yeah, it depends, but 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1928.61 1929.7 Well we uh 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1928.98 1932.17 If you turn up the volume, you always see this thingy go up. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1931.59 1935.44 We we j we'll just give them an uh We'll design it, and then they can give comments on it. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1932.55 1933.07 Yeah, that's right. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1935.55 1936.21 Yeah alright. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1934.36 1935.55 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1935.66 1936.2 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1936.2 1936.67 Okay. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1939.48 1942.12 So we'll just have them uh standing there. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1938.71 1939.48 We can't save them. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1935.8 1938.71 Ts It doesn't work any more. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1941.26 1942 Yeah, I noticed. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1943.03 1944.84 You can't uh click the corners. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1949.96 1953.05 Well we still have uh more than five minutes. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1946.61 1949.96 It's a bit uh bit a pity. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1953.05 1953.6 Um 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1944.68 1946.61 No. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1947.9 1950.7 It's a real real great thing. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1954.63 1956.73 So what are we going to do? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1959.22 1963.8 I as Project Manager ha don't have a clue. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1963.8 1970.62 Oh we can uh decide how we implement the feeling from our company into the remote. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1959.72 1963.48 Let's start the design. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1970.58 1971.4 Well yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1971.4 1978.76 Um I think um a logo, our company logo, and the slogan should be or could be Yeah, why not? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1978.76 1981.4 If there's enough space, you can put uh We'll we'll 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1970.81 1971.05 Mm. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1977.01 1977.77 On the 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1975.96 1977.01 Also the slogan? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1980.66 1982.42 Uh I I'd say only the logo. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1981.01 1981.18 O 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1983.35 1983.72 Me too. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1982.8 1983.35 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1984 1986.7 Too much text and it gets too too busy. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1987.41 1990.15 It's just a simple What is it? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1985.6 1987.41 Well, our slogan is not very long. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 1988.34 1990.66 Well it's quite a long phrase. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1988.39 1990.31 We put the fashion in electronics. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 1991.88 1993.12 We put the fashion in electronics. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1992.22 1995.57 But we kree we keep adjusting to the fashion 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1993.28 1994.68 You c 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1997.69 2000.07 So 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 1996.6 1997.69 with our fronts. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 1999.01 2001.64 But you can put it on the back, on the titanium part. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2001.64 2004.23 The logo and the and the 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2003.14 2004.21 Yeah, right. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2003.36 2005.93 Ah the logo should be on the top I think. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2004.85 2005.65 The logo 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2011.24 2018.4 And well you c On the back, you can put uh h At the bottom, you can put the logo with the 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2008.32 2011.24 Well in in in the right top corner? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2006.74 2007.49 On the top. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2007.49 2008.32 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2008.85 2009.45 Well yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2008.34 2008.85 Yeah they do. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2009.09 2009.69 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2010.16 2011.53 Right corner, yes. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2011.75 2014.63 Right corner, or maybe here in the middle? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2021.07 2022.15 Uh yeah, at the back? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2020.33 2021.07 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2018.85 2020.33 uh the text? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2020.19 2020.92 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2020.92 2021.75 Just just small. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2020.91 2024.9 But the logo the logo shouldn't be exchangeable, when you get off the front. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2024.38 2028.8 Yeah it it should be hard on the on the on the board, and you can remove the front. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2024.73 2027.26 Well you c Well uh Yes. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2027.26 2030.62 You can The logo can be on on every uh front. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2025.34 2026.2 Yeah well 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2026.41 2027.27 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2027.27 2027.45 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2032.17 2033.74 It's better if you have it uh 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2030.17 2032.17 Yeah, but you can scratch it off or something. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2034.56 2038.93 Yeah, but then you must uh really uh yeah push it in or something. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2035.91 2037.38 Carved into the material. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2038.48 2042.09 No, you you can carve it into the titanium at the back. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2042.34 2046.36 I l I like the idea of the of the slogan on the on the on the thing. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2046.36 2048.11 But am I the only one, or uh 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2048.69 2053.17 Well n n not not on the front side, I think. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2046.87 2048.69 Yeah, on the backside. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2053.17 2058.09 On the back Yes, you you can, yeah, push that in, so that it is always be there. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2048.23 2049.62 Well, management would like it. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2051.5 2053.29 The front side, no no l no slogan. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2053.5 2053.86 Uh 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2052.01 2053.5 No not on the front, but on the backside. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2055.94 2056.56 Sorry. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2057.19 2063.17 I think it's a nice idea, to make it more recognisable, that the next to the logo you have the slogan. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2060 2060.49 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2060.71 2060.91 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2064.61 2065.11 I agree. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2065.33 2066.87 To make more uh of an impression. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2066.13 2066.92 But not too big. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2067.91 2070.03 Just uh Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2073.36 2074.9 But readable enough of course. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2068.14 2068.53 Not too big. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2069.36 2073.36 Not on the entire back, but uh just very small. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2068.53 2069.36 No, very small. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2075.75 2076.29 Okay. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2076.94 2079.07 Yes, slogan from 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2077.27 2081.21 But we'll uh we'll take that uh with us into the design. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2080.09 2080.73 company 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2080.15 2086.19 Yeah I think over here the logo. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2082.86 2083.78 Lo Uh yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2083.78 2086.19 Or maybe here in the middle, but we'll decide later. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2083.44 2084.54 on the back 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2085.89 2088.33 with logo and 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2089.69 2092.48 logo also on 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2093.91 2101.5 the front but not exchange uh 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2110.19 2112.03 Uh when 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2104.69 2109.96 Uh? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2109.96 2110.19 Hmm? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2113.03 2115.12 changing fronts. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2117.83 2119.13 Alright, that's decided. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2118 2120.5 Do you do you see a bit of the of the um 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2120.75 2121.71 Five minutes left. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2124.98 2133.94 Uh maybe if we make this this this lower part titanium, the front is the the upper part, and the the bit with the with the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2122.46 2124.19 of the uh titanium? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2133.94 2134.34 So 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2124.19 2124.98 O on the front? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2126 2127.42 Yes we could 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2134.36 2136.1 So a bit of titanium between? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2136.71 2142.35 No no betwe of between we can do but But then you have two parts of front, two fronts that 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2136.5 2136.71 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2136.51 2136.89 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2137.69 2139.67 That's a bit Oh that that's that's pretty cool. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2140.44 2142.4 No, they have two fronts, that. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2142.4 2143.71 You you can Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2143.71 2145.58 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2145.58 2146.04 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2140.9 2141.85 No no no no. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2141.85 2143.37 You have to make this titanium too. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2142.52 2142.8 No? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2144.25 2145.57 This enti entire bottom? 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2149.55 2152.13 When you exchange all the fronts and it's open. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2144.55 2147.54 Else you you get problems with the L. C. D. . 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2147.54 2149.55 Like dust in it and so things like that. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2147.13 2147.71 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2147.21 2147.58 Yes. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2149.16 2149.6 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2152.21 2154.29 I already have uh all kinds of uh 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2152.54 2160.41 No, you can you can just And then not a straight line but uh some sort of wave or something. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2160.41 2162.1 This is titanium. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2162.1 2163.42 And this is uh 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2155.19 2157.29 filth between the mobile. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2159.01 2160.44 And then the lower part is titanium? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2161.89 2163.46 I think that's nice, yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2162.98 2164.87 Some some kind of wei weight in it. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2162.09 2162.98 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2164.87 2165.26 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2165.17 2166.03 Round forms. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2164.28 2165.17 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2165.48 2166.12 F front. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2167.56 2167.79 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2169.07 2172.16 I like that bit of uh titanium also on the uh 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2171.75 2174.1 With the with the curved edge. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2171.07 2171.75 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2171.46 2172.03 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2172.26 2172.48 Yep. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2173.07 2174.96 A bit like uh a bit like your mobile phone. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2174.96 2175.69 Maybe you can show it. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2175.69 2180.32 It also has the those two distinct uh 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2175.41 2175.67 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2180.27 2180.73 Tada. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2177.81 2180.27 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2183.01 2183.77 Uh it's uh 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2181.56 2183.01 Mm bit like this. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2182.16 2182.62 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2182.57 2183.14 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2182.61 2185.46 Yeah, you can make it go 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2186.59 2189.05 round this corner too where the logo is. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2189.05 2192.03 Because it has to be uh there all the time you know. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2189.69 2190.87 What? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2191.71 2192.78 Yeah yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2193.82 2194.84 Maybe a nice touch, yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2192.78 2193.82 That uh Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2192.55 2192.85 Ah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2193.54 2194.46 So round where? 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2193.56 2196.39 So uh a little corner of titanium. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2195.38 2197.71 Yeah, that's nice finishing touch you need. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2196.33 2197.42 Oh, yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2199.07 2202.3 Yes, that also sounds uh pretty uh neat. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2201.8 2204.21 So this this is the exchangeable part. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2202.31 2203.44 I think I'm going to buy it. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2205.92 2208.75 And it's only f twenty five Euros. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2203.52 2205.92 We want it. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2208.75 2210.19 Come on. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2210.19 2210.86 No that's nothing. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2204.46 2206 Yeah, this is the front. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2208.76 2214.11 This is the 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2215.71 2219.38 Of course, because it's my design but No our d our design, alright. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2208.91 2215.71 That's a bit too much, but No, no no no, but I think uh this looks uh pretty nice actually. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2212.07 2215.34 The Phillips remote uh costs more. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2215.83 2216.67 Right. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2217.77 2218.44 My design. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2219.12 2221.39 Taking all the credit. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2220.36 2222.09 Well uh you two are going to work together. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2222.09 2227.13 You'll get your uh specifications on your uh laptop, and then uh you uh 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2224.77 2225.3 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2225.3 2226.48 We'll stay here I guess? 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2229.62 2230.19 Or can we? 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2227.25 2229.62 We can't uh take a blank one. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2226.4 2227.25 But there's a problem. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2230.31 2233.42 Well I think we can, I just It's 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2235.84 2236.79 Uh the fourth one. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2232.58 2235.84 Well we can uh erase an animal I guess. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2235.63 2236.23 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2236.23 2237.48 Nah that's alright, that's alright. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2236.84 2238.42 But don't erase my cat. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2239.51 2239.98 Yeah, o 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2239.58 2241.62 Uh the fourth one is empty, isn't it? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2241.62 2241.98 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2241.84 2243.61 Oh 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2242.34 2243.4 I want to preserve it. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2245.98 2247.51 This one is empty. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2247.71 2248.15 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2249.86 2250.87 You have to empty one huh? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2250.71 2254.25 Oh, we have a one. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2253.55 2254.84 What are you doing chief? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2255.73 2258.73 So, you can uh draw a Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2256.58 2256.88 Alright. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2258.15 2259.89 Yeah I think we have to wait? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2260.44 2262.84 Well I'll get a I'll get the message. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2260.44 2263.1 Yeah until the until the beep goes. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2263.1 2267.17 But I don't uh Do we have to stay here, or I think we have to return first. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2260.51 2261.08 No 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2266.07 2271.19 No, I think uh Well you'll Maybe you can uh keep your uh laptop here. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2266.51 2267.04 Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2271.5 2272.35 Maybe. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2272.29 2273.37 Or get your mouse. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2273.37 2277.13 Because it's little bit uh hard to work with these uh plates. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2274.13 2277.85 The high powers from above will have to tell us, yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2279.14 2280.21 It's not relaxing. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2277.34 2279.14 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2283.42 2284.38 I hate these 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2280.75 2283.42 I always have a mouse next to my laptop. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2283.64 2285.54 I I don't have a laptop. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2284.66 2286.04 Yeah, touch-pads, yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2285.75 2286.15 Ugh. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2292.62 2300.15 Well we have uh b you have to have a bit of humour in the in the discussions too, because it becomes too too too too stressy. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2286.98 2290.31 We can uh do a touch-pad on our remote. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2290.31 2292.62 No just kidding. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2289.54 2291.98 Yeah right. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2291.98 2292.44 Dream on. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2290.46 2292.66 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2298.08 2299.14 And in your remote control. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2306.26 2308.73 We know you'll you'll you'll hate it but 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2304.67 2306.26 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2299.14 2304.67 So we put a touch pad on it, and say ha ha. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2303.06 2305.16 This has no function. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2301.48 2303.06 Aha. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2301.61 2305.37 Half 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2308.56 2312.35 But uh th youth doesn't care about functio functionality, so 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2311.83 2312.23 No. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2312.62 2314.39 But they do want some gadgets. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2314.39 2316.38 So that's wha what we're doing. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2314.36 2315.55 It's all about cool things. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2317.82 2318.3 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2317.89 2318.76 And it will sell. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2321.29 2322.21 We will be rich. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2322.4 2324.42 Bless you. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2323.42 2325 Well we won't. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2325 2326.06 Our bosses will be rich. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2326.94 2327.14 Mm. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2327.51 2329.84 We've done too much in the previous meetings. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2330.51 2330.92 Too much? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2331.19 2333.57 Yes, we've got nothing to do now. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2333.69 2334.77 Well they uh 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2334 2335.38 Well, that's not bad, is it? 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2335.82 2336.48 No. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2337.02 2337.91 I think that's good. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2337.91 2339.84 We all had uh our talk and 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2341.65 2345.53 we agree I guess on uh several thing, on most uh on things. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2347.59 2348.01 Mm. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2350.37 2351.58 Its the best remote ever. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2353.17 2353.86 So 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2357.77 2359.78 Pinball. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2359.9 2360.96 Oh. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2360.96 2364.86 Oh he's totally off again. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2367.02 2367.57 Well 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2368.01 2369.42 No man. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2369.42 2370.54 You just have to push harder. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2372.17 2374.09 Yeah you have to push harder. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2373.92 2375.6 But when I start here, 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2376.51 2376.79 Mm. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2376.59 2378.64 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2377.15 2378.23 it's here. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2378.23 2379.23 So is it 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2378.4 2383.12 Yes, but you you get really close to the screen with your hand, and I don't think that's 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2384.64 2385.04 Mm. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2385.17 2385.71 Hmm. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2388.37 2389.32 Recalibrate it. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2388.83 2389.28 Nope. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2396.44 2398.39 Where's the good old chalk board with the 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2398.87 2399.39 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2401.16 2403.84 the green board with the, how do you call it, chalk, yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2409.56 2412.21 We can better uh draw a design on this. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2413.15 2413.88 Yeah, maybe. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2414.13 2415.27 Yeah, but we can't. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2415.73 2421.73 Maybe if i if that thing is recalibrated, we can draw a thing quick, and then before it uh 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2420.98 2421.39 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2423.47 2424.33 goes off again. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2423.73 2424.11 Let's go. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2425.56 2426.67 Well 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2426.21 2427.42 Finish meeting now. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2427.23 2428.73 Finish the meeting now. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2428.73 2430.73 Alright now we know what to do, so 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2430.78 2431.64 We'll stay here? 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2432.27 2432.94 Um 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2434.96 2436.34 Yeah. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2436.34 2436.48 Oh. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2437.66 2438.67 Or we'll get the email. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2438.78 2442.96 No, get away. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2438.1 2438.78 Message? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2442.73 2443.03 Guess so. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2438.28 2441.83 Maybe w maybe we maybe w m Can we get email here? 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2442.19 2442.73 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2441.83 2442.19 Huh? 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2442.27 2442.9 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2445.31 2447.57 Um I I'm not sure. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2448.32 2449.44 Well you'll have to work on this one. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2447.57 2448.32 Maybe you Yeah. 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2448.73 2451.91 Well we'll wait a few seconds and then we'll get an email. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2450.01 2450.53 Yeah. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2451.77 2452.64 That's a good idea. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2453.03 2453.84 Have fun lads. 
TS3009c H03 MTD036ME 2452.37 2453.03 Alright. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2453.78 2454.15 Well 
TS3009c H01 MTD035UID 2454.36 2454.55 Yeah. 
TS3009c H02 MTD034ID 2454.56 2457.36 A happy hol happy holidays. 
TS3009c H00 MTD033PM 2455.26 2458 Good luck. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 33.6 34.6 Uh fourth meeting. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 38.21 38.94 We have to do what? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 41.92 43.63 Alri alright. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 43.63 44.52 We'll see. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 38.98 41.92 W what? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 39.43 40.52 Some extra deciding. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 41.71 43.31 Well 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 42.29 42.74 Oh. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 48.33 49.81 Very interesting. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 45.62 48.33 I'll show you the notes again. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 49.81 53.08 Well you'll you two will uh present us your prototype. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 53.38 53.59 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 64.06 71.34 I'll show you how we're going to do with financing this uh design. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 54.16 57.66 Then um I guess that's your bit? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 57.66 62.59 I I didn't s see anything about it, so I already uh thought you uh you were to do that. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 62.59 64.06 So the you're uh. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 57.28 57.52 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 70.04 70.47 Mm. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 71.76 72.73 Yeah, that's important too. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 72.73 73.34 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 72.57 74.47 Bit late. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 77.04 80.14 Because uh well we'll see about the costs. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 72.77 77.04 And then we'll evaluate, after after we have redesigned it. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 80.14 83.19 Um we'll uh evaluate our p our uh production 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 84.39 85.97 and then uh we can close. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 87.3 87.61 Alright. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 94.38 96.08 I don't think it's very interesting. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 88.06 94.38 Well the finance uh we'll do later, so um firstly uh I'll show you the notes. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 99.26 100.07 I think it is. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 101.56 102.9 Uh no. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 100.36 101.56 Oh nei. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 106.15 106.86 Alright. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 114.19 114.75 So 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 112.85 114.19 This is copy paste. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 116.5 118.58 Well from us all, yeah, from all of us. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 114.63 116.5 From me of course, yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 119.92 123.21 It's a nice chorus, yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 118.58 119.92 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 115.62 116.37 Of course. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 122.66 123.37 Well um 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 116.37 122.66 You had some very strange layout. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 134.46 138.75 So uh I don't think it's very interesting and go through it again. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 130.54 134.46 And uh I summarised what you said to us. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 138.75 139.61 So uh 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 125.24 130.54 We ge we went through the agenda, and well we had some uh some presentations from you three. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 138.1 139.19 Repeat it yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 139.19 139.49 Alright. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 144.63 147.16 So we still know that. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 140.38 142.19 This is what we decided. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 142.19 144.63 It's also copy paste from what we made together. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 147.16 149.21 And then uh we can we can uh use the time better. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 145.28 145.52 Okay. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 150.26 154.35 Well uh next you two will uh present uh the pot prototype for us. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 156.6 158.61 Or one of us will? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 158.61 159.45 Uh 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 154.85 156.6 Alright, we both uh will? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 156.38 157.08 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 157.18 157.8 Alright. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 160.22 161.41 No you go and I'll uh 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 161.44 162.26 Alright. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 162.26 164.57 If I make mistakes uh you'll uh 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 162.47 163.33 supplement you. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 164.61 165.24 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 166.2 168.06 Correct. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 178.73 180.37 Uh we'll begin uh with the front. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 168.44 176.44 Uh it's pretty uh much uh like uh Mike draw uh drew uh the in the during the last meeting. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 176.44 178.73 With uh the different uh perspectives of it. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 166.65 168.44 Uh well this is our design. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 166.29 166.65 Right. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 186.3 189.52 Um with uh the upper part being the front. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 189.52 194.03 Th So there's this part um which is made of hard plastic, the front. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 181.34 186.3 We have of course uh the the round shape uh the round uh basic shape. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 211.19 214.67 Um then we have uh the lower part 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 209.39 211.19 Fancy colours. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 196.93 205.09 Of course for the launch we use the basic ugly colours, and later we'll put out uh more interesting covers with different patterns and pictures and everything. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 205.09 209.39 But basically, different colours, bright colours not black, too dark. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 194.58 196.93 And uh we're we're using different colours. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 199.56 200.49 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 203.15 203.63 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 215.62 217.58 of the of the device. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 217.58 222.21 Uh which is of course um part of the back actually, because it's also titanium. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 227.92 231.81 and the rest of it, the under uh the under side uh of it,
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 231.81 240.67 yeah, the back side and the lower part of the front is of course titanium made of titanium, and has the titanium colour of course, the look. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 222.51 227.92 You can see it also on the on the on the side view, that only this part is the front,
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 241.37 246.36 Um then we have uh on back on the front uh the logo in the upper corner,
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 254.91 255.19 Yeah? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 246.36 254.91 uh which is uh made uh which is also part of the back, part of the titanium uh titanium part. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 241.87 242.19 Mm. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 252.83 254.61 Yeah, it's a double R., but 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 255.85 256.8 It's a double R. . 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 264.58 268.24 Um so that's the logo in the upper lef uh right corner. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 258.01 264.58 Yeah the logo Uh uh it's difficult to draw so small, but it's our double R. uh logo is in there. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 257.42 258.01 It's a double R. . 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 258.19 261.43 But it's very difficult to to draw that in Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 258.92 259.98 Yeah, alright. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 262.67 263 Okay. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 264.12 264.35 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 268.56 269.48 Then we have the buttons. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 269.48 279.67 Uh it's difficult to draw again the little oval or round I think oval will be better for the for the d for the different uh channel buttons. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 275.39 276 Oval yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 278.13 278.47 Alright. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 281.39 283.39 So uh oval, n those are here. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 283.39 284.58 And then we have the m 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 285.83 286.58 The m 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 286.89 287.99 Channel up and volume? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 293.89 303.2 Um um with kind of arrow shapes, which makes it also a bit more exciting than basic round or um uh 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 288.18 293.89 Yeah the the con the the the, yeah, the t volume and the channel controls uh in the middle here. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 310.25 311.35 We have the Okay button. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 319.19 321.29 And then we've here the Menu button and the 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 311.35 319.19 Oh nei we uh the Okay button's here in the middle of the of the operators, of the channel and uh volume um changers. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 304.63 307.27 uh square buttons. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 307.27 310.25 And also here are the two uh buttons we agreed on. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 313.3 313.67 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 313.55 314.11 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 321.54 321.98 Alright. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 322.01 323.69 Menu for the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 326.04 328.43 And of course this low part, this is the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 323.81 326.04 The Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 322.5 323.81 And the video button. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 324.06 324.6 Mm right. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 324.48 325.08 So 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 329.51 329.84 'Kay. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 330.02 331.31 Uh this is what we made of it. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 331.31 333.52 You can make uh suggestions uh if you want. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 332.7 336.42 Well if I look at it, the side the side view 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 333.3 336.02 Well, at the back 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 344.93 348.94 Um okay I've had everything I guess on the front? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 338.71 344.93 Maybe I I don't want to I don't want to suppress you but n I'll uh finish this uh quick. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 348.94 349.35 Yeah the back. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 335.56 338.71 Maybe we maybe we should finish first uh our talk and then you can add suggestions. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 349.35 349.53 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 337.3 337.56 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 339.59 341 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 338.16 339.59 Oh yeah alright. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 348.7 351.28 With the logo and our uh l uh 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 347.96 348.7 No the back. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 358.64 360.08 Just so again the double R. . 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 360.08 362.57 We have then the logo on front and on the back. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 351.16 355.35 We thought about Yeah, uh the back is of course totally titanium. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 362.57 367.4 Maybe that's too much but you have to say uh say that if you think that way. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 355.35 358.64 And we thought about the logo big in the middle. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 358.59 358.81 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 360.22 360.63 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 363.39 363.89 Okay. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 364.56 365.67 No I don't think 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 374.96 378.61 That's basically what we were thinking about, and 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 367.51 374.96 And the company slogan, we thought in a kind of arc shape uh above the logo. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 367.64 368.49 And the 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 371.78 372.2 Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 372.52 372.72 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 378.02 378.47 Okay. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 379.01 381.62 And about the side view um 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 379.2 379.42 W 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 382.68 391.28 This the front won't be as thick, but again th the the drawing technique makes it very difficult to to really uh 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 385.32 386.28 Well I see, but 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 395.32 400.59 And you can record it uh using, yeah, the the the back of the f w device. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 389.89 391.04 Oh and uh before I forget. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 391.04 395.32 Yeah the the voice, of course, the voice recorder is uh at the bottom. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 391.02 391.98 Well. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 391.98 392.75 Yeah I see it. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 395.2 395.71 Yes. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 405.93 411.54 If if you look if if this this is thick, and this is thin, th th then it that it lies over your hands. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 411.54 412 But 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 398.04 405.93 When I look at uh when I look at this side view, I think w when I have that in my hand, it's terrible. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 398.68 399.88 Well, it won't be visible. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 401.19 401.65 Mm? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 406.04 406.9 Why? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 409.27 414.76 Well it fits uh it it it it fits the hand, mean uh the the the the 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 413.16 413.4 Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 414.19 415.18 Yeah, I agree. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 414.26 421.63 Well what what what I what I agree is that when uh when um you have such of uh an arc in the middle 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 421.63 423.61 so that the the a the ends and the 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 424.67 429.04 fronts is a bit thicker, so th then it falls over your hands. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 426.05 427.78 If y 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 429.04 433.11 If you handle a remote, you you usually don't have your hand straight like this. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 433.11 435.56 You you have it a bit uh Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 432.25 433.87 In the middle in the 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 434.05 436.1 It depends on the size. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 438.77 441.52 But if it's it's larger, then you want to grab it. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 436.1 438.77 If it's kinda small, this is is great. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 441.78 442.74 And how large is it? 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 442 442.66 Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 442.98 443.87 Yeah, that's the question. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 448.39 450 H What do you suggest I mean we do? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 453.83 455.54 But now you have a totally different. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 450 453.83 This was Mike's prototype, and y you seemed to agreed on it. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 444.83 446.24 That's the question. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 446.24 448.39 Uh well Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 450.99 452.04 Well uh 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 454.22 457.15 Well the sides I haven't seen yet, uh? 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 456.89 459.38 Well, they lay there all the time. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 462.35 467.14 W we we he drew the s the side, but you d you weren't paying attention as usual. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 461.19 462.35 Uh oh the side? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 469.4 472.44 Uh I think uh this is a pretty good uh good idea. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 458.09 461.19 Yeah well the size doesn't really matter w I mean Side? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 467.14 469.4 Well any case, we'll discuss it now. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 457.68 458.09 The size? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 458.64 462.74 They the the the the the side view, we didn't uh 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 463.51 463.94 Yeah yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 474.5 480.22 You have it in your palm like this, and you can watch uh watch the screen. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 472.25 474.5 Yeah, I agree with the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 480.22 483.87 And if you have it li in the middle, your hand might be over it. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 482.74 483.2 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 484.73 486.86 But you you hold it like this. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 486.86 488.56 You're not holding it like this or something. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 486.4 490.69 Yeah you you don't you don't grab it, you you 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 497.09 500.67 You you you're using buttons this way, or if you're right-handed, this way. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 494.92 497.09 You have it more like this. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 489.76 490.89 You, yeah, y How do you call it? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 490.89 491.81 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 491.81 494.92 Well y y y you don't have it like this. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 495.23 495.74 No no no. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 499.43 500.82 Like you're holding your telephone. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 500.37 500.61 Yep. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 501.14 501.47 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 502.68 503.2 So 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 501.91 502.68 So you Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 502.46 505.53 Because if you have a screen on it, you wanna look at your screen. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 505.77 506 Hmm. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 506.66 507.66 Yeah well 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 506.85 508.42 That way, it it falls into your hand. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 508.42 510.39 I think. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 509.84 510.18 Okay. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 510.77 511.89 Yeah, I agree on this. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 511.19 514.06 And maybe you can you can grab it a bit higher, so Well 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 514.04 515.47 No, I don't think so. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 515.47 517.6 That's not uh the point 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 516.16 517.2 No but but 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 516.65 521.56 Well the the Well that's a reason to to to put the L. C. D. screen uh of course on the upper side, but 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 522.1 528.28 Well f for as far as I can see, three of us agree and only Nils 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 527.27 530.82 Yeah well uh I think uh if you t if you three uh agree then then that's it. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 531.65 536.63 But you're the Project Manager, you can make the hard decisions. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 538.41 541.05 Alright, if you think that that's the way it should 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 534.82 538.41 So uh I c I c Well, we'll we we'll do it like this. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 534.25 534.82 Yes. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 535.05 535.57 If necessary. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 537.27 537.53 Uh 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 535.57 537.27 But uh are d Can you live with it? 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 538.04 538.27 Yeah? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 543.27 544.12 But do you 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 538.62 543.27 Y Yeah, y y y y you said it was totally uh unusable. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 542.94 550.08 No No, when I I my personal taste is that I want it to fall over my hands with a thick But 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 553.12 553.47 I think. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 550.27 553.12 But d you don't think this is completely unusable I guess. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 551.21 552.43 In the market uh 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 555.64 557.57 For me, I I wouldn't buy it. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 553.79 555.64 No not totally. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 557.57 558.51 Let's say it like that. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 554.75 556.11 Not totally, well 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 557.66 559.65 Yeah but of course y you are also human. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 559.65 565.12 We have to take uh every everyone into account. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 565.12 565.42 So 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 560.33 561.31 No 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 564.37 567.02 And you might be uh You might be target customer. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 567.38 569.05 Well uh who who else thinks like you? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 566.95 567.38 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 569.48 571.66 Maybe a thousand people, or a million people. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 569.05 569.48 We don't know. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 567.67 568.6 Yes but 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 567.96 568.04 Mm. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 573.13 576.74 So let it be like this at uh at this moment. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 576.74 577.2 Okay? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 569.63 573.13 Yeah, we don't know, but that's uh that's that's that's more market research. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 574.9 576.26 Let it be. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 576.26 577.41 Alright. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 577.41 578.07 So that's that. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 578.07 579.69 Uh any other suggestions? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 580.33 581.41 No, I think it's great. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 581.59 581.88 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 582.34 584.37 But what about the redesigning? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 588.07 591.7 Uh c You can uh Walter. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 591.7 594.11 You can do the evaluation uh criteria on this? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 584.75 587.01 Comes to that later. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 587.01 588.07 Um you. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 586.41 587.2 Okay. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 588.54 592.44 You're very personal again. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 594.61 594.96 Great. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 588.92 594.61 Alright. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 596.49 597.4 That's more useful 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 598.92 600.51 than just speaking. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 613.14 619.03 That's gonna be done at the end of seven point skill criteria. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 609.79 613.14 I'm going to do uh the ev evaluation. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 619.03 625.67 So I made a I made a few questions on the hand of uh uh the impor most important requirements and trends. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 607.69 609.79 Well, this is just a short intro. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 609.79 610.04 Yes. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 625.02 625.55 Mm-hmm. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 632.6 636.15 Well, I put some questions in a Word file. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 636.15 637.54 See if I can find them. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 626.15 632.6 And we have to look if our uh if our device uh is working correctly. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 638.79 639.94 Uh uh uh uh mm. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 644.52 644.83 'Kay. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 644.52 645.04 Well 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 645.12 645.71 Hmm. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 646.04 651.05 I uh think you have all seen uh this kind of evaluation, so uh I don't have to explain it. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 651.05 655.11 Uh the first question is, uh is the device good-looking? 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 662.45 663.88 Seventy five percent of them. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 663.88 665.64 So what do we think? 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 655.11 662.45 Because normal p uh most people thought that um earlier devices were ugly ugly. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 667.1 669.56 Well d we designed it, so of course we are very 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 669.39 669.67 Mm. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 670.07 672.8 Yeah, we're we're not quite uh objective about this. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 670.13 670.8 Yeah 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 672.15 672.81 Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 675.92 679.36 So I have to take this questionnaire. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 672.15 675.92 No, I know, but I have to uh evaluate it. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 672.24 674.71 Well we designed it to be good-looking. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 682.39 682.82 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 680.04 682.39 So and we ha we have answer now? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 680.34 681.88 To the customers? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 681.88 684.18 To potential customers who have to take this questionnaire? 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 681.91 682.75 Yeah 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 683.58 685.98 Yeah, but I can't can s 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 687.19 692.09 But um Well we can go, uh because of the time, uh pretty quick through this. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 692.09 693.82 Uh do we find it good-looking? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 685.83 687.19 I know, I know, I know. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 685.35 685.83 Oh no. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 695.23 695.81 Uh 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 693.82 695.23 Well we think so. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 685.04 685.35 Nei. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 685.63 685.91 Hmm. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 695.19 697.04 I Yeah, I think it 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 695.25 695.77 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 695.77 697.67 We designed it to be good-looking, so 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 695.37 696.89 Yeah, but uh, you know 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 697.06 697.36 Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 708.65 711.62 So we we know where we stand. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 705.29 708.65 And I have to uh take all these points and get a average at the end. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 700.92 705.29 So But we have to be critic critical about it. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 711.62 715.37 'Cause th there are some things we might have uh bi might have forgotten. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 697.94 700.92 We dis we di we designed it to be perfect. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 709.67 711.11 Well, one. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 715.41 716.62 Well so it's point four. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 717.44 718.24 Right, so 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 717.92 719.13 Easy to find t 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 717.93 720.81 Well l well let's start with the beginning, just one by one. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 719.9 720.75 Right. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 720.75 722.07 Uh is it good-looking? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 734.26 736.72 But it's also not completely um 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 722.2 729.08 Well, I guess uh I think uh it's uh it's it's um pointed towards the youth of course 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 729.08 732.82 uh if you look at the design and and the colours and everything. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 732.82 734.26 That was our target audience of course. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 724.84 726.2 Two. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 740.19 743.64 Uh it's it's not f a device that 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 737.17 740.19 uh u unacceptable for older people I guess. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 742.73 744.48 The titanium might be uh f 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 745.33 749.02 Yeah, that's that's uh for older people, it's it's more that classical look. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 749.02 749.75 So 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 745.41 746.2 for older people. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 748.37 751.06 It you put uh put a black front on it or something. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 750.99 751.25 Hmm. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 759.89 767.34 so I think we both uh have uh consider considered uh the youth and also a bit older people. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 753.87 759.89 but I think they'll uh they they think uh the the titanium look of it is also Uh I think it's also good for them 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 751.82 753.87 I think Yeah they like black of course 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 767.34 771.5 So I think it's very good-looking and not only for youth uh young people. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 751.26 751.82 Uh no. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 768.03 768.7 Right. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 771.87 778.97 I think we shouldn't discuss any points points that long, because I don't know how how many points there are but uh Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 775.91 776.25 Right. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 776.26 777.21 No. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 778.32 782.61 We we have to get get on, go through this. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 777.21 778.32 I totally agree. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 777.68 778.88 Yeah, the fourteen yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 778.53 780.05 Right, a number please. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 781.66 782.03 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 783.78 784.83 Yeah well I think so. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 782.09 783.78 Is it easy to t change channels? 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 785.29 787.89 So the last one is seven. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 787.89 788.86 Easy to change channels? 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 788.12 790.27 Um, no it's uh 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 788.72 790 No, not false. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 790.98 791.51 It's one. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 792.68 793.16 Yeah, right. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 791.75 792.68 Oh, sorry. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 795.32 797.17 Well uh two? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 797.17 798.69 Y Well we have to go through it. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 796.69 797.39 Change channels? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 798.88 801.26 I think it's uh as easy as uh can be made. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 801.26 801.73 Uh 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 802.07 802.38 Right. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 804.75 806.59 You How can you make it any easier? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 802.89 804.75 So I Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 807.14 809.87 The power, channel and volume buttons are easy accessible? 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 807.2 809.88 With two huge buttons. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 809.79 811.18 Yeah, huge is a Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 809.98 810.14 Yep. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 812.01 812.28 Two. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 812.87 813.15 Two? 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 816.38 818.77 The uh device is easy to find if you lose it? 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 815.85 816.38 Alright. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 818.78 819.56 Well, no. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 819.56 822.1 We didn't implement anything about that. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 819.41 822.95 D we d we don't we don't have uh that s 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 822.1 826.94 Well it's easier to find than a a normal black one or something, because of the colour. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 826.94 827.16 But 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 825.8 829.96 Well six then. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 828.76 829.74 Six? 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 829.74 829.92 Right. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 827.69 828.76 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 827.81 828.12 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 829.75 833.4 Well we don't have the device that beeps uh when you lost it or so, but um um 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 831.94 833.98 Are the functions easy to learn? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 833.98 838.33 Well w I we do want we have a l f f less of an 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 836.68 838.38 We have so few functions, so Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 838.63 839.8 Yeah, I agree. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 840.05 842.25 And the device R. S. I. sensitive? 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 842.68 850.37 Well, I should I think two, because the voice recorder is n not self learning. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 844.04 844.62 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 846.97 847.38 Ah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 848.75 850.11 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 850.74 851.4 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 851.4 851.7 Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 852.74 853.5 Alright. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 853.5 853.97 Two? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 853.34 853.62 Mm? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 855 858.28 Yeah, but just do some We we 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 857.54 864.49 Yeah Yeah, I agree. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 864.49 865.54 No. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 865.54 865.83 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 859.95 862.94 I th I th I think this is too time consuming. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 862.94 865.52 Uh not not towards you, but towards this all. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 865.52 866.56 Th this is 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 860.03 860.95 Are we take too much time? 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 867.03 868.82 Right, R. R. S. I. sensitive? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 867.17 869.34 We you have to put it to the customers. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 869.64 870.92 R. S. I. sensitive? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 871.18 873.44 Uh well well a bit, so four. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 873.71 874.72 Four. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 874.72 875.55 Um 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 875.67 876.05 Yes. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 876.95 877.28 One. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 876.31 876.95 Yeah, very much. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 877.7 878 One. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 878 879.7 And features included also one. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 881.01 884.06 And One. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 884.06 886.9 Uh those uh nine uh is the fancy-looking. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 886.9 887.94 Uh we still think so. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 883.05 884.53 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 888 888.54 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 889.35 890.56 Device fancy feeling. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 890.56 892.13 Yeah, cool man. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 892.49 892.92 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 889.92 892.49 And I think fancy-feeling too, because of the titanium back. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 891.64 892.21 Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 892.68 893.14 Right. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 894.91 896.31 Yeah well also we have two. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 893.51 894.91 Are there enough technology? 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 894.98 895.44 Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 896.93 897.84 Yeah, that's great. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 898.83 900.18 Is the device easy to use? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 900.18 902.42 Yes we have not many buttons. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 898.96 899.3 The 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 902.43 904.97 So well maybe two because of the voice recorder. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 903.52 905.53 Well, with the uh Three. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 903.7 904.62 Two two. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 903.8 904.6 Two, three. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 906.04 906.29 T 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 910.88 912.79 So yes, one. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 909 910.88 Well in our covers, in our fronts. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 912.79 914.23 Is the material attractive? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 906.48 909 Are the trends about fruit and vegetables implemented? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 906.61 906.79 F 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 910.14 910.76 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 912.89 913.21 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 912.28 912.89 One or two. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 911.01 912.28 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 912.79 914.52 One or two, another two. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 915.56 918.37 If you look at this 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 913.43 915.56 Nah f four I think. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 915.45 916.12 Four? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 923.97 931.18 And you can also have front with uh with fruit on it. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 919.93 923.97 But but we have the the the the the sparkly fruity colours of course. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 917.41 919.93 Well, it doesn't really resemble any fruit, uh that's true. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 919.78 920.14 No. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 923.44 924.02 Okay. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 921.88 923.44 Oh okay. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 922.51 923.51 Well three. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 923.42 924.31 Three, alright. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 927.68 929.85 But 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 926.51 927.68 Yeah, that's true. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 929.33 933.92 Well the titanium is strong, and uh the rest f uh the buttons feel soft. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 927.25 929.33 Is the material attractive? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 933.92 935.5 So I would say at least two. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 929.35 929.66 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 928.23 929.35 Mm. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 935.91 936.42 Right. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 936.81 937.33 Okay. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 939.82 940.96 Well Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 943.57 943.77 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 941.35 943.57 This is the last meeting? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 942.82 951.2 Yes, but we we have to design much more, because there was some irritating account manager coming to me. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 943.55 945.12 The average will uh come later. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 952.67 953.68 Um 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 952.87 956.47 I knew things uh were going uh too smoothly. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 955.63 956.13 Oh. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 957.39 959.97 There had to be some kind of trouble along the way. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 957.52 958.29 Uh 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 958.69 959.99 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 959.91 963.39 Well, look at the costs at this point. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 959.59 959.91 Yes. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 965.71 966.44 My god. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 966.63 967.52 I had to fit it in. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 970.44 970.98 Twelve and a half. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 967.82 970.44 It has to go to twelve, right? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 969.58 970.35 I twelve and a half. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 971.81 972.38 So 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 973.48 975.53 Well what costs a lot? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 975.53 976.91 The sample spea costs four. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 978.4 979.14 The 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 977.89 978.4 The what? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 978.52 980.83 The sample speaker, the s sensor. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 980.57 981.3 That's easy. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 982.56 982.84 Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 981.3 982.56 Kick it out. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 979.42 980.57 Out. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 981.96 982.96 Kick it out. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 984.68 987.12 The speaker costs far, by far the most. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 982.96 984.68 We have to go to twelve and a half. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 982.42 982.76 The what? 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 984.08 984.81 The speaker. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 985.55 986.03 Oh. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 988.1 991.49 Yeah w tha that's uh that's a bit an optional option. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 988.59 990.48 That's some wrong info, man. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 990.89 992.92 It it isn't worth it. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 993.04 993.67 No. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 993.67 994.84 No, d th No. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 993.43 993.73 No. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 993.98 996.84 We could make two different versions, one with and one without. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 996.84 998.21 But for this 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 995.02 995.53 It's uh 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 997.31 999 It's just extra. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 999 999.47 Kick it out. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 999.99 1000.9 So, zero. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1003.39 1003.73 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1003.85 1005.4 Then we go to fourteen point six. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1006.3 1006.82 What more? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1006.78 1008.92 Well the titanium I don't want to lose actually. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1008.81 1010.78 Batteries are uh quite 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1009.18 1009.55 No. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1012.16 1013.2 Yeah hand dynamo? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1013.2 1015.69 Y t come on, w a remote control has a battery. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1010.07 1012.16 L. C. three? 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1013.6 1015.31 Uh no, no no no. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1013.8 1014.69 Um 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1014.79 1014.86 N 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1018.42 1019.38 Because uh 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1015.95 1018.42 Uh well we have a bit of a problem I think. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1018.46 1021.85 Well well why why why should we use a advanced chip? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1022.52 1024.6 Well be for the L. C. D. uh you had said. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1022.82 1024.77 the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1024.77 1025.03 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1025.97 1027.5 Can't we do that with a regular chip? 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1025.27 1025.97 Yeah? 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1025.27 1025.6 Hmm. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1027.99 1028.24 No. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1028.85 1029.21 Why not? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1029.64 1034.93 Because uh that uh y because my information says it. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1032.49 1035.06 Well what what's the difference between simple and regular? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1035.73 1035.98 Huh? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1036.16 1038.22 What's the difference between a simple and a regular chip? 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1037.44 1038.48 Regular is normal. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1037.1 1037.44 Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1039.15 1039.57 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1040.01 1040.55 And simple? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1040.49 1043.93 Uh well yeah I I read something about it, but 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1041.08 1041.74 Simple. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1041.6 1042.7 Nothing. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1042.93 1044.92 Elementary. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1050.93 1053.4 I d I didn't in include it in my report. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1046.59 1050.93 Yeah, I I read something about it, but it wasn't very clear. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1046.69 1047.57 Well? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1048.72 1049.46 Your part. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1053.74 1055.21 What happens if we do 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1054.03 1055.61 Single 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1056.71 1057.61 Well you have to use 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1059.73 1060.22 So 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1059.22 1059.73 a chip. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1061.61 1065.23 Well you have to use the advanced chip, if you have the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1062.18 1063.56 How much do we win? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1063.56 1064.06 One. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1063.07 1065.19 We we we Why? 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1065.19 1067.87 We have very little options furthermore, for the 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1068.34 1070.97 But if you have a regular chip, you can't have the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1068.47 1068.92 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1071.16 1072.97 Uh well we have to put that in. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1072.18 1074.06 Yeah, we need to have the the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1074.3 1074.83 Uh 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1073.43 1074.3 That that's a fact. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1074.14 1081.42 Well, we could say, well this special colour, that isn't that that isn't there, because the the fronts they will buy it. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1081.42 1082.08 The special colour. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1077.13 1078.2 No 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1082.53 1085.53 Yeah, but No, that's n It's not relevant. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1084.04 1085.4 Uh it d it doesn't 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1082.7 1084.04 Yeah, but it's only one half. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1083.36 1083.88 Nah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1085.64 1088.32 Yeah, then you s then you only have one half left. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1085.83 1087.45 Yeah, you must change the chip uh back. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1088.56 1090.02 You must change the chip back, Nils. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1088.58 1089.11 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1090.94 1091.61 Uh yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1091.69 1093.56 But we d Then we have to lose the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1094.93 1099.69 No, Then the whole concept is uh 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1098.44 1101.8 Yeah, I know but that's what my information says. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1106.21 1106.97 You have to use it. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1101.8 1106.21 I di I didn't uh put uh the advanced chip in there for fun. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1104.83 1107.53 No we oh 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1103.59 1104.83 Hmm. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1104.04 1104.37 You 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1105.53 1107.59 You can make you can make it cheaper. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1107.59 1108.73 But if you don't sell 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1116.24 1117.33 Y we don't need both. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1114.55 1116.24 I think that's a bit double. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1110.49 1114.55 You you we have an advanced chip-on-print, and we have an L. C. display. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1110.5 1111.01 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1115.07 1115.44 Yeah? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1116.33 1120.74 No, the advanced chip is needed to have an L. C. D. display. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1121.13 1121.36 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1120.35 1121.13 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1119.31 1120.35 For the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1121.54 1122.75 Says. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1122.58 1125.19 Says, his Uh that was in the second meeting, I think. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1127.92 1130.78 Because we you have uncurved 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1125.08 1127.92 Well uh and what do they mean with curves uh again? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1136.96 1138.02 We can also make it flat. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1128.84 1136.96 Well I I did single curve to Well you said s double curved, uh he, because uh I thought it's a b a bit cheaper already. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1132.14 1133.32 I? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1133.94 1134.3 Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1136.95 1139.09 No no no no. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1137.35 1137.85 Well 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1146.21 1148.15 It's how you It's how you look at it. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1144.73 1146.21 Yeah, this is actually two curves, yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1143.67 1144.73 One curve? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1142.1 1143.67 Is th Is this a curve? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1138.39 1142.1 But what what did what do n Sorry, but What do they mean with the curves? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1139.17 1139.76 But 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1142.41 1142.84 Curved? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1142.84 1143.59 Yes, that's curved. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1145.03 1145.42 Yes. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1146.44 1147.26 No, it's one curve. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1147.12 1148.84 One curve. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1148.46 1149.58 One curve, simple. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1150.05 1151.49 Well then we have a huge problem I think. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1151.49 1154.56 W t we can never get uh below the twelve and a half. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1153.58 1155.22 We have a big financial problem. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1155.78 1157.7 Well we make it more expensive to buy. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1161.94 1170.04 Come on, if we if we if we make this fifty million, they won't hesitate to uh congratulate us, so uh 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1158.59 1161.94 Well, then we have two dollars less profit. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1169.05 1173.1 If if you make people brand-aware, they are willing to pay more. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1173.1 1173.57 But 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1174.18 1175.87 But uh I 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1179.39 1181.78 If you have uh lots of uh marketing 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1174.94 1179.39 Because we we use a brand at the front and uh I dun at the back. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1183.47 1184.35 people might buy. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1185.53 1188.42 Yeah or we could replace it 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1186.7 1188.63 If you if you make it cool to have 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1189.02 1191.08 By the way, we also have this one. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1193.4 1194.44 Oh, that's just great. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1199.22 1200.44 Plastic is 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1194.73 1196.49 Oh, costs nothing. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1196.49 1199.22 That's nice. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1196.17 1199.14 Oh, alright. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1204.77 1209.98 it's it's very uh not practical to ha to consider this after we have designed the entire thing. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1197.34 1204.77 Hey but uh I think you'll agree that uh that we that now we have this uh screen 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1210.24 1211.79 Yes, but I just got it. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1211.69 1214.66 Well that's pretty uh l 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1212.9 1216.85 Why why don't we replace the titanium with uh 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1214.93 1218.78 That is pretty stupid. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1215.97 1218.23 N not very practical. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1218.23 1218.52 Well 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1217.92 1223.71 plastic coloured titanium, uh titanium-coloured plastic? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1221.82 1222.24 Who? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1226.47 1228.33 You want to dump the titanium? 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1229.38 1232.45 Yeah well if we uh we we have to get cheaper. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1232.91 1235.08 And make all plastic, then we ha then we're there. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1239.34 1240.32 I think 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1237.57 1239.34 But I'm n I don't agree. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1239.31 1244.29 But then we we've got to uh run through the eval evaluation process again. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1240.76 1249.16 Th then you have a ugly, stupid, l ugly looking, dumb remote that that no-one would buy. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1247.46 1248.27 Ah no no. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1250.36 1251.55 The looks remain the same. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1249.36 1250.36 It's not ugly looking. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1251.65 1252.46 No, I don't think so. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1252.68 1252.82 Y 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1252.76 1253.74 Well, I do think so. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1253.14 1257.13 I think the titanium just uh provided the the tough look and the and the 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1256.32 1257.18 Yes. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1257.18 1259.31 And the feel, and th that it is strong, and 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1257.18 1258.64 feel. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1262.06 1268.89 And because i Alright it's not our target audience, but it's it's useful if it's uh important for old people. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1268.89 1269.33 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1259.58 1262.06 And also the the older people will like it because of that. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1262.29 1263.36 Yeah, I agree. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1265.59 1271.98 We still we had to focus to get more people from the younger group, but not lose the one 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1270.54 1273.96 I think the titanium is very important. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1273.88 1276.26 Yeah alright but then we we won't get there. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1275.25 1276.41 Yeah we have a problem, yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1276.41 1279.99 W But you can better, yeah, dump the L. C. D. screen then. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1283.81 1286.09 And plastic is already in colour I think. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1279.8 1281.13 We can dump the special colour. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1281.13 1283.81 We l we use plastic. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1285.56 1287.49 I don't think you should dump the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1288.19 1288.93 Well what else? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1288.93 1289.98 W I mean uh 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1289.24 1290.08 No, nothing. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1294.68 1303.98 But I think you could better change uh titanium to hard a hard kind of plastic looking like titanium than lose the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1290.42 1294.68 Or you shou It's Or change the titanium or dump the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1303.98 1306.35 Because you have lots of functions in it too. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1291.58 1291.9 Amen. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1297.1 1297.44 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1301.19 1301.55 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1310.38 1312.27 So we u we use uh 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1305.78 1308.32 Yeah, well yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1308.32 1309.22 Alright. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1309.22 1310.38 I agree with that. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1307.16 1307.43 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1308.82 1309.95 Why can't I 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1309.65 1310.26 But 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1313.68 1315.07 Unfortunately. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1315.07 1315.66 Um. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1316.07 1324.31 I'll put in the report we that we think that fourteen point one is the l m lowest price you can make a remote for that's trendy d these days. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1317.29 1318.92 Titanium-coloured plastic. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1323.62 1324.66 Yeah, I agree. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1325.09 1327.99 So titanium-coloured plastic for the back. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1328.2 1330.85 I I'll talk to the managers. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1329.81 1330.64 No no no no. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1330.64 1332.64 W Titanium stays there. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1338.12 1339.8 But 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1332.95 1338.12 Titanium, I thi I think this this is this is e really good re remote. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1336.79 1338.74 Yeah this is good, but it it's not good enough. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1336.87 1340.45 Osl 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1339.8 1343.23 So we have to use the ditch the titanium, I'm afraid. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1343.11 1346.95 Ah those those account managers, what do th d what do they know? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1348.69 1351.17 Riot. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1346.95 1348.69 Come on. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1344.09 1344.53 Well 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1350.41 1354.15 All we want is a is a fancy design but we don't really consider the costs. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1348.62 1350.41 What do we Well what do we know? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1354.15 1354.48 So 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1353.28 1354.65 Yes, yes. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1354.61 1356.5 No because we did not know anything about it. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1358.59 1361.58 So s If you don't have the money, you can't make it. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1356.41 1358.59 If you don't have the money, you can't make it. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1361.58 1363.95 So this is too expensive. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1359.62 1359.84 So 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1357.79 1359.62 But we have to deal with it now. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1356.46 1357.79 Yeah al alright, yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1358.42 1358.63 Hmm? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1356.61 1358.42 One and a half Euros. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1365.52 1366.11 So? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1365.74 1366.24 So 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1366.23 1367.36 So we have to make it cheaper. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1367.41 1369.65 Titanium gone and add plastic. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1370.53 1370.87 Right. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1370.84 1373.26 Yeah, but then we've got money left. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1372.48 1374.99 And on plastic times two and then we uh are there? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1375.03 1378.03 Well, no it's just uh all plastic. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1379.11 1379.48 Huh. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1378.03 1379.11 Well alright. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1377.13 1377.52 No 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1383.44 1386.38 A lot of plastic, yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1386.38 1388.13 No two for the to make it clear. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1378.3 1383.44 No yeah well Oh six. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1382.44 1385.64 It's just free, man. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1385.75 1386.29 So 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1384.29 1385.75 Four. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1388.82 1390.27 But then we can add the special colour? 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1391.06 1391.43 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1391.5 1393.48 As we have money over uh left. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1394.68 1395.35 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1395.35 1395.4 W 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1396.44 1397.82 What do we want, guys? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1394.84 1396.44 And we still have money left. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1397.86 1399.01 I want gold plating. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1399.01 1400.79 No no um 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1400.06 1401.58 I want chrome. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1398.95 1400.06 Yeah right. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1401 1403.07 Well I think uh the case is double curved then. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1403.76 1404.17 Yes. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1406.32 1409.02 We have we have to uh fill 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1406.49 1409.02 Because you y have that curve and you have that curve. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1408.3 1411.83 Well, th that that is the problem. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1411.3 1411.79 Alright. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1408.33 1411.3 Y Oh no. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1409.83 1415.31 W we ha No no no, but th that's not f um 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1409.92 1411.35 Yeah well uh 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1413.44 1413.91 Safe. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1415.54 1417.89 Well y we have curves in all directions. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1423.86 1425.19 We we do want to reach 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1423.1 1423.86 But it's pretty funny. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1416.42 1419.89 Well you can you can double curve, if you don't have titanium. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1419.89 1423.1 And that we dropped, so it it can be done. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1421.3 1422.63 So alright. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1426.31 1426.97 twelve point five. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1426.97 1430.03 But it isn't bad to to to stay at eleven. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1427.49 1428.34 Finance? 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1427.52 1431.6 I mean, this this ain't titanium, but it looks like it. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1432.05 1435.54 We get more salary, if we make if cheaper than twelve uh twelve and a half. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1432.23 1433.88 Well, guys? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1444.69 1452.21 Well, satisfaction on for example, are we satisfactory about our creativity? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1434.98 1444.69 We have to dump our titanium, and we'll hate the managers for that, but now we're going to evaluate our project, of uh project, project. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1433.88 1434.98 Guys? 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1435.33 1435.94 Shoot. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1432.97 1435.33 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1440.13 1440.8 Objection. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1442.54 1445.01 Pro project. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1452.27 1460.99 Well I can't get no satisfaction, but uh I think it's uh Well in in if we consider the costs then this is the best, yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1461.18 1461.5 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1466.38 1471.27 But that that that's that, yeah that's a reason, but also for our creativity. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1461.2 1465.13 I think it's terrible that we got uh those costs at the last moment. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1465.13 1466.38 That's really bad. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1471.27 1475.58 We had um nice design, and then you get the cost, and you had to dump all your creativity. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1462.03 1462.43 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1464.43 1464.98 Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1464.46 1465.17 Yeah, me too. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1466.15 1468.18 Its it's uh ridiculous actually, but 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1467.33 1468.69 And uh unrealistic. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1475.76 1479.81 Well we we we used our creativity, but we just had to adapt it to the costs. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1475.98 1476.32 Right. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1479.53 1483.54 Which isn't very practical, but that's the way. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1483.54 1485.07 Uh-huh. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1481.38 1482.7 Nei. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1482.7 1483.72 Uh no. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1481.65 1481.99 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1483.28 1484.32 Well, alright. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1487.49 1490.73 Uh teamwork? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1485.31 1487.49 Uh leadership next. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1486.39 1489.33 Terrible. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1489.21 1490.24 Leadership. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1490.79 1491.72 Leadership? 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1491.72 1492.24 Well 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1491.47 1496.19 Well it's It was very democratic. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1493.61 1495.47 Uh yeah well I think so also. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1495.47 1502.48 I al I I've uh filled that in in a the questionnaires uh each time, so Well the managers were terrible. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1493.76 1494.52 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1494.52 1494.82 Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1499.03 1500.22 Yeah yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1503.7 1505.12 So, with their all their 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1508.23 1509.68 But o alright, the teamwork? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1506.31 1508.23 useless requirements. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1508.85 1511.55 Well uh they they didn't think of the requirements. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1511.55 1513.88 It's the requirements of the user, uh I guess. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1513.99 1520.85 No they said, oh we won't d uh we won't uh use teletext, uh we won't use the D. V. D. . 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1516.08 1517.48 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1519.1 1522.35 Yeah but they base that on on the user specifications. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1525.16 1526.03 Well great I think. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1523.23 1525.16 Alright, teamwork? 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1524.68 1525.19 Well 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1525.96 1527.56 Right yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1526.16 1527.38 Yeah, think so too. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1527.55 1530.23 Uh well what do you, what did you think about the SMARTboard? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1530.63 1532.16 It was a complete disaster. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1532.16 1534.41 No Uh it it it uh it is uh 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1534.06 1534.76 Yeah? 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1531.43 1534.06 Yeah, I don't like it. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1532.66 1533.29 Well 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1533.04 1535.95 No, that's a SMARTboard, and that's a digital pen. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1535.95 1536.21 Or not? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1535.79 1537.71 It's also a It's both the SMARTboards. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1537.85 1538.64 That's the SMARTboard. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1538.64 1539.56 That's the digital panel. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1536.76 1537.85 No it's other way around. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1538.65 1542.03 I liked this SMARTboard, but I hated that one. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1542.03 1543.15 Well it's both a SMARTboard. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1539.87 1542.49 This this this isn't a SMARTboard, right? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1542.82 1543.6 That's that's the smart 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1544.19 1547.65 B but you This is just a large t large television. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1547.65 1550.67 You u you use the 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1543.78 1544.19 Yeah right. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1545.7 1547.41 Oh they're both SMARTboards. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1547.08 1547.49 No. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1547.84 1549.72 A televi Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1549.1 1554.37 It's both a SMARTboard, but this one is used for a desktop, and that one is used to to draw. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1553.88 1556.67 Yeah, but you ca This is just a beamer function. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1560.36 1560.75 But 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1556.67 1560.36 And here, on this one, you can uh draw the pictures and things like that. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1559.73 1561.21 Well, wi w which one did you like? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1561.12 1562.04 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1562.04 1564.18 Left or right? 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1561.84 1562.24 That one. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1562.84 1564.81 That one. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1566.83 1567.62 You can 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1563.08 1565.44 That one isn't accurate. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1565.44 1566.83 It just doesn't work. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1563.23 1563.59 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1566.02 1566.96 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1566.97 1569.4 But I I think this is meant by the digital pen. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1571.1 1571.85 Th that is so. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1569.92 1571.1 Yes. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1572.25 1576.92 Yeah, but I think there's a big distinction between the these th I don't need a SMARTboard. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1572.34 1573.63 Well I didn't use uh 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1572.9 1573 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1572.99 1574.66 We're now talking about the SMARTboards. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1577.97 1580.64 Nei It it's much m 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1578.28 1582.44 Well we we used that one, and we needed it. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1582.44 1583.07 I think. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1581.44 1583.05 Yeah, but give me a beamer. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1583.05 1585.04 That's uh that's much uh much cheaper. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1583.8 1584.86 Yeah alright, but 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1584.96 1590.05 Or install a laptop to a beamer, or have this one standing here in an I I like it. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1590.26 1590.81 Right. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1591.06 1593.03 Yeah I like that one, but that one is terrible. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1591.3 1592.08 Okay, alright. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1592.8 1595.63 But uh you can uh I I sent it about three times now. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1595.63 1600.79 Uh a green uh board with uh chalk is much more useful than that thing. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1599.5 1600.57 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1600.57 1601.54 Yeah, it is. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1600.36 1600.82 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1601.73 1603.4 The simple uh sch school board. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1602.3 1602.75 So 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1602.43 1602.99 I agree. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1605.42 1607.06 Did uh did you like that one? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1603.36 1605.42 And uh the digi the digital pen? 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1606.98 1607.31 No. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1608.26 1611.45 I wrote things down but I didn't import it into my laptop. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1607.18 1608.26 I I didn't use it. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1610.12 1613.27 I used it uh just to check it out, but uh 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1612.82 1613.23 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1612.82 1616 That's the 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1613.72 1619.25 You you can't send that to anyone, because you you've scrabbled something on a page for yourself, and then you're going to send it, yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1619.25 1620.3 Well, no. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1617.43 1617.81 Right. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1615.7 1617.43 It isn't practical. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1615.11 1615.7 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1622.17 1625.34 And i you can also bring your your your note block. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1625.34 1629.15 So what's the what's the th what's the point of importing it into 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1620.33 1622.17 W But also y you write things down. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1624.43 1625.62 Your notepad. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1625.62 1625.9 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1626.63 1628.16 It's, no, it it's useless. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1633.01 1636.78 But it it would have been uh useful, if I I could show this on the screen. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1632.16 1633.01 And I made a mistake. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1628.35 1631.64 Well I I drew this. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1631.64 1632.16 Mm. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1635.28 1635.81 Yes. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1639.69 1640.88 I think that's not very 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1637.5 1639.69 For drawings, but not for personal notes. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1636.46 1637.5 Yeah alright. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1637.48 1638.83 For drawings, yes. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1638.42 1639.32 Yeah for drawings. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1640.4 1642.36 N notes mm. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1643.33 1650.88 Uh I mean you can bring your paperwork along and p Well of course if you have a lot of paper If you've If you've 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1647.04 1647.69 But 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1648.9 1649.82 I I agree on that. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1647.11 1648.9 Yeah, it might be useful for drawings. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1649.31 1649.8 Mm. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1667.41 1669.95 So it doesn't d doesn't have any 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1660.38 1667.41 So if you uh were to write them down for yourself, and then put that in your computer, you still have to type it over to Word. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1657.31 1660.38 And notes uh for a meeting are very strict. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1650.04 1657.31 But for notes, it i you you have to put that in a strict Uh you have to put a name, standard date, and all those things. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1667.3 1667.85 Yeah, right. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1669.71 1670.68 That Stefan use. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1675.46 1679.95 You can't It's not very uh ni Yeah well a lot of documents are Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1670.04 1670.82 Yeah I understand. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1670.82 1675.46 But I think uh d this option is only useful if you've got a lot of paperwork. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1679.07 1682.05 It's it's only useful if you have to draw something. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1677.55 1679.07 No, I don't think so. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1681.26 1681.74 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1682.72 1684.96 But then uh it's really useful, I think. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1685.15 1685.46 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1686.49 1687.35 Alright. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1685.67 1686.49 Yep. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1687.35 1688.83 Um etcetera? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1688.83 1690.04 Well uh the laptops? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1687.3 1688.15 Mu Yeah right. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1692.03 1693.74 Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1690.7 1692.03 Yeah, great. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1691.11 1691.91 Of course great. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1692.04 1692.54 Hmm. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1691.34 1692.04 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1692.11 1693.79 Can we keep them? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1693.79 1693.89 Uh. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1694.79 1696.22 B by my 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1693.24 1693.83 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1693.83 1694.79 You can. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1695.11 1696.72 Wireless uh wireless things. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1696.02 1698.03 Thanks Project Manager. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1700.28 1703.1 I hated the cameras, I hated the microphones. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1698.24 1700.28 Other uh things we used here? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1703.1 1706.18 But No 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1696.89 1698.24 Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1702.95 1705.16 Well these chairs, man. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1705.16 1706.21 Really great. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1703.52 1705.35 Well did you really uh 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1711.29 1711.8 So 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1706.02 1708.45 Did you really take uh take those in account? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1708.45 1711.29 I half of time I didn't notice they were there. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1709.11 1710.24 No. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1711.23 1713.92 I haven't looked w one time directly at the camera. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1713.92 1715.05 I don't care about it. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1710.24 1711.23 No. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1714.15 1716.87 But we shouldn't talk about that. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1716.87 1719.59 Because this is a realistic environment. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1714.96 1715.7 Well I did. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1718.9 1724 Uh etcetera We N new ideas found? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1729.15 1731.84 For future um meetings you have got? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1718.02 1718.9 Well w why not? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1724 1729.15 What kind of ideas for n a future schedule What? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1722.6 1724.48 Okay. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1721.09 1722.6 Right. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1730.63 1733.44 Well I missed uh the option to uh 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1737.08 1737.44 Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1735.78 1737.08 Yeah, right. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1733.98 1735.78 Communicate in between. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1734.58 1735.76 to email, yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1735.76 1737.44 Email or chat or something. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1739.96 1740.3 So 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1736.06 1736.89 But yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1736.89 1739.96 W well th that's just the the environment they set us up f with. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1736.1 1737.51 Chatting and emailing. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1740.23 1743.82 Yeah alright, but that's one n new idea. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1743.39 1744.4 Yeah, I agree. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1744.11 1745.91 Well, new ideas found by this. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1751.69 1752.69 Not. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1754.03 1755.8 We don't want this. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1755.8 1756.67 We hate this. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1752.69 1754.03 Nothing. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1753.17 1755.98 Well, more more information in the beginning. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1756.28 1756.69 Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1757.11 1757.95 That's 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1758.05 1759.99 Digital pen is useless. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1759.99 1761.98 So Yeah, for drawings. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1759.77 1760.51 No it isn't. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1762.38 1762.62 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1761.05 1762.38 Well, for drawing for drawings. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1761.8 1762.63 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1764.1 1765.52 So it isn't useless. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1764.96 1768.01 But uh two t But uh th then you have to have a lot of drawings,
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1768.01 1775.76 because if I had a company and I'm going to uh buy those expensive huge expensive uh things, I and I have to w 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1768.24 1769.07 Well 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1777.02 1780.51 pay those uh papers uh that are expensive, I'm not going to uh 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1780.56 1784.99 For people who uh sketch th the whole day, I can imagine that it's useful. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1780.74 1781.22 No 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1783.6 1784.35 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1790.92 1796.33 Because this is huge uh this v very very uh expensive paper. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1783.92 1790.92 Well th then still they they they should have a a nice graphics programme on the laptop. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1785.03 1787.26 But it's still an expensive uh expensive 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1792.68 1795.92 Well 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1793.79 1798.75 Well you you can't you can't draw on a laptop like you like you paint of or draw with your hand. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1798.81 1799.52 Yeah, I agree. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1800.6 1803.07 With the mouse it is No. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1800.68 1801.57 But if w Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1803.13 1803.41 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1804.07 1805.14 Well and if 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1804.36 1806.8 Mouse is ju just isn't working if you're sketching. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1806.75 1807.34 Uh indeed. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1820.29 1820.71 A 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1813.86 1820.29 But suppose it was working correctly, what uh would it be useful then, if it wasn't off all the time? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1807.65 1813.86 And but what if uh maybe this this board uh SMARTboard is malfunctioning or someone. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1821.74 1823.51 You you can't draw anything uh neat. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1820.19 1821.74 I hated to draw like that. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1819.59 1820.19 Well no. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1822.2 1822.77 Really? 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1824.45 1832.02 Yeah, but he's saying if it is correct, and you can draw very, yeah, very precise 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1828.8 1829.48 Anything you want. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1830.87 1832 L li li 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1829.48 1830.87 Any b b Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1830.84 1833.55 I if it if it would be perfect following. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1833.52 1833.82 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1834.7 1845.17 Well th th then still it's it's it's very expensive uh towards a a just a green uh school board. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1835.52 1837.92 Well it isn't, but maybe that thing is uh is 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1836.16 1836.95 Yeah, mu 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1842.8 1844.45 Yeah, board, a school board, yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1843.58 1849.97 Yeah, but but then you can uh save it in instantly, and and and re-use it, and uh 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1847.01 1847.94 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1847.94 1849.64 I it has It is useful. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1849.64 1850.25 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1847.86 1848.23 Yep. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1848.29 1849.32 It saves time. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1849.78 1850.59 Yeah yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1854.59 1860.67 So uh if we get in uh if we get another one and you make sure it does work, I think then it's pretty useful. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1851.03 1854.59 This uh if it works correct, maybe this thing this thing is just malfunctioning. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1858.66 1858.98 Yep. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1861.61 1861.85 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1862.88 1870.19 Because uh yeah you can draw t things quickly and uh clearly for anyone uh in the discussion room. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1870.19 1871.42 And then you can save it immediately. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1872.2 1873.73 Well, they are now. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1874.26 1874.51 Hmm. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1875.27 1875.94 Celebration. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1877.12 1878.59 It is. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1883.55 1884.83 Se 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1878.59 1883.55 So, congratulations crew. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1879.51 1880.19 Did you type that? 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1880.09 1880.62 Hmm. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1881.82 1883.34 Celebration. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1884.47 1884.96 Well 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1884.86 1890.33 Yeah, we can go to the bar and uh with our newly earned money. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1886.41 1891.07 Finally my beer. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1897.35 1897.97 But uh 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1891.07 1892.47 Well, that's it I think. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1892.47 1894.12 Um I don't know how long we still have. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1894.12 1897.35 I dunno how long uh we had for this last meeting. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1891.51 1892.53 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1900.12 1900.34 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1899.45 1900.12 Well dunno. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1897.85 1899.45 Maybe till four o'clock or something? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1900.35 1905.44 Well yeah, it is a bit uh Well we still have to make the end report and uh all those things. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1905.44 1906.19 I have to do that. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1906.23 1907.41 Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1907.41 1909.33 You better get started. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1913.07 1913.79 Can you do that? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1907.56 1913.07 I Di did you um save this one in the folder? 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1909.99 1910.43 Oh. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1912.73 1913.28 No. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1913.28 1914.64 No no no no. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1915.96 1917.56 In the shared map map. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1914.11 1915.96 No we must save this thing, yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1918.26 1921.89 But Nils you've got some work left. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1922.17 1923.14 I don't know what you have to do. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1922.72 1923.7 Map, is it a good word? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1923.7 1925.12 The folder, yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1923.79 1924.19 Huh. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1927.3 1931.01 I have to go to a physiotherapy. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1929.03 1929.35 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1931.79 1932.82 Oh it worked. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1932.82 1934 Two times quick. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1934 1934.87 Cool. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1932.98 1934.52 Wow. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1933.43 1934.97 Oh, alright. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1936.95 1937.78 No but uh 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1935.3 1936.95 So it is useful, yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1936.7 1937.7 It is handy. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1936.05 1936.7 Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1936.84 1937.88 Oh great, man. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1937.24 1939.82 This is nice. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1938.84 1941.53 I'm gonna buy one buy one for my bedroom. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1940.01 1942.55 Radical. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1942.55 1942.99 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1942.23 1942.74 Uh 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1945.13 1946.53 D design. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1948.38 1949.76 Do you believe it yourself? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1953.28 1953.71 Um 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1950.3 1951.78 He saved them all ten. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1949.25 1950.3 S Oh. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1951.78 1953.28 Well alright. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1953.76 1957.08 Well they they wanted everything we produced, so 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1956.18 1959.01 They also want to see my cat and his rabbit, and uh 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1956.2 1956.51 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1957.68 1961.48 My big bird. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1959 1959.44 Well 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1960.69 1962.23 Your big beautiful bird. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1968.54 1969.74 Where is this? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1971.71 1977.8 Maybe the pen is just uh uh broken and the board isn't. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1977.8 1979.27 Of or the other way around uh 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1980.3 1981.33 Maybe you are broken. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1982.22 1984.07 Yeah I think so too. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1984.22 1984.62 You know. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 1984.3 1988.02 I think you have we have to make clear to her that we are ready. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 1987.76 1995.97 I think she's listening. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1988.8 1991.99 I also think so. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1994.14 1995.27 She? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1991.99 1994.14 She already knows. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1995.27 1996.09 Big brother. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1990.41 1994.04 Who is she you're talking about? 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 1994.04 1998.41 Oh you mean our uh coach, our f personal coach. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 1999.17 1999.81 Our manager. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 2002.39 2003.66 Is she also our accountant? 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 2004.6 2007.49 Yeah. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 2007.49 2008.37 I don't think so. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 2008.53 2008.79 Oh. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 2005.02 2008.53 Is she responsible for sending that information so late? 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 2009.89 2010.58 Close your laptop. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 2010.1 2011.94 Because then we have to confront her with our 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 2012.23 2013.52 So she can see we're ready. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 2013.69 2017.38 I feel watched. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 2015.26 2017.3 Alright. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 2020.1 2021.56 Yeah. 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 2021.56 2023.71 Let's take this remote into uh production. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 2028.98 2035.04 We couldn't put the fashion into the electronics. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 2035.04 2040.94 Yeah, that's a nice title. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 2025.24 2028.98 That that's the title of our uh end document. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 2020.52 2025.24 We put the fashion in electronics, but we couldn't because of the costs. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 2026 2028.19 That that's our new slogan. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 2024.52 2026 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 2028.19 2030.12 Yeah, I like that. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 2024.78 2031.98 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 2032.01 2033.31 Blame our accountants. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 2034.17 2034.91 Do that. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 2036.84 2037.12 Yeah. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 2037.53 2040.14 But we couldn't, yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 2040.47 2041.43 Very catching. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 2044.12 2044.31 Oh. 
TS3009d H02 MTD034ID 2044.2 2045.38 Well I th Yeah. 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 2044.71 2048.41 I'm sure management would like that. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 2046.2 2047.85 Well 
TS3009d H01 MTD035UID 2047.67 2048.57 She's on the move. 
TS3009d H00 MTD033PM 2048.87 2053.05 I'm going to resign after this project anyway, so 
TS3009d H03 MTD036ME 2051.61 2054 Oh, that's just great. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 42.5 45.36 The first kick-off meeting. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 53.01 55.84 We m have to make a new remote control. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 45.36 46.07 What shall we do? 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 41.01 42.5 So welcome. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 46.07 52.06 First the opening, then the rest. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 55.84 60.02 It has to be original, trendy and user-friendly. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 52.06 53.01 What are we going to do. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 68.16 74.13 After that we have to make a conceptual design, and then after that a detailed design. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 64.58 68.16 First we have to make a functional design. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 74.13 75.92 So we'll discuss that later. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 60.42 64.58 So we will get back th on that. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 96.8 98.73 You can print it. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 79.54 86.23 So first to we have to make a small painting. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 86.23 89.61 What have do we have to do. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 93.43 96.8 We have to do that every time we make something. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 100.32 103.92 And we have to use the pen and the eraser. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 89.61 93.43 First you can save the documents. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 98.73 100.32 No. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 77.41 79.54 First we have a look at. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 105.04 107.73 So Now. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 107.73 110.09 We all have to use this one. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 110.09 113.45 You have to make your own favourite animal. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 118.89 122.8 First don't touch that things. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 113.45 118.89 So I'll make an example. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 117.21 117.3 Yep. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 123.96 129.72 You can use the pen. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 129.72 134.04 And then you can make um 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 130.91 138.69 Nice. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 135.33 136.06 something. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 139.58 143.88 Um you can change some things. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 143.88 145.78 Um format, 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 148.18 150.07 line, and 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 152.19 154.69 change it. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 157.79 161.8 And you can change the 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 163.08 163.72 colour. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 168.14 173.82 An elephant. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 169.36 172.64 So that's it. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 176.48 176.98 So 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 193.56 195.14 So you're next. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 184.33 187.66 So and after it you have to save it. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 191.88 193.56 You have to paint now. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 187.66 191.88 Now we can make a new one. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 187.54 187.78 Okay. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 193.34 193.76 Oh. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 195.43 196.17 'Kay. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 195.49 196.74 Well we will try. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 200.97 201.86 Where it going? 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 211.95 212.16 Hmm. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 215.02 216.27 That's uh strange. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 217.73 218.96 What is going on? 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 220.6 221.81 pop-ups. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 222.89 224.04 What are you What? 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 223.06 223.33 Hmm. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 233.06 234.19 What is this, Pictionary. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 238.65 239.64 Uh 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 239.99 240.8 Um 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 241.8 243.14 Uh a bird. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 242.59 244.81 Is a It is a It is a 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 244.39 244.76 Bird. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 246.27 246.71 A duck. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 251.72 252.1 Mm. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 255.57 255.94 So 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 256.94 257.52 Now save? 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 259.02 259.58 Yeah. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 259.45 259.83 Yes. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 263.35 263.45 Hmm. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 265.26 266.2 Now uh blank? 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 266.66 267.24 Blank, yes. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 267.31 267.54 Yeah. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 270.98 271.12 Yeah. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 273.06 277.08 Okay next one. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 275.43 276.47 Okay. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 279.12 279.88 Uh 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 276.47 279.12 Let's try this. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 275.65 277.61 Whoo. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 284.75 285 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 293.65 295.27 Um. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 295.27 295.91 Mm-hmm. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 298.14 298.36 Mm. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 306.91 309.44 Oh. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 307.02 308.16 Oh not. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 308.16 310.51 Oh. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 315.32 315.86 Okay. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 315.86 317.2 Yeah. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 312.69 315.32 Okay. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 317.2 317.83 No problem. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 321.66 325.24 Shit happens. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 323.07 327.2 I'm not getting anything uh on my screen now. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 334.13 334.4 Okay. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 341.22 343.18 A parrot. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 343.18 344.06 Ish. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 343.06 343.41 Wow. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 350.7 350.86 Oh. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 357.37 358.27 He did it before. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 367.13 367.82 Uh 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 397.87 399 Yeah. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 399 399.8 Okay. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 397.37 397.87 No, no. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 400.41 402.2 Nice. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 402.23 402.52 Oh. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 402.55 403.97 Very good. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 403.58 404.56 Uh blank. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 408.14 408.8 Thank you. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 546.4 547.39 Okay. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 547.39 548.87 Very good. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 548.87 554.29 So um you can always go back. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 554.29 554.89 So 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 563.22 564.25 The budget. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 570.41 575.67 And we have only twenty of twelve and a half Euro to make it. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 561.48 563.22 Now next. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 559.54 561.48 So that was two. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 558 559.54 That's it. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 564.25 570.41 The b Uh we will sell the t at twenty five Euros. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 582.4 585.91 First I wanna hear from you. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 592.57 593.2 So 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 576.27 582.4 So now we have to think about what we will make. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 585.91 592.57 Uh what are your experiences with remote controls. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 599.62 605.16 Um I have one set and uh a remote control, when I dropped it, uh it broke. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 593.28 594.14 Uh I will start. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 609.74 616.41 And uh g big buttons, m uh that's easier to use than uh I think. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 594.14 599.62 Uh Big one, they are uh not easy to use. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 605.16 609.74 So that won't be uh our goal, I think. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 593.99 594.92 F first. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 608.75 609 No. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 617.69 619.34 Not all the small buttons, you don't know 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 618.76 621.75 Is this positive or negative, that uh big buttons? 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 624.05 630.73 All all small buttons like when you have uh like a hundred buttons on your remote control, you won't know what they're working for. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 622.26 624.05 Big buttons, positive. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 623.54 624.08 Positive. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 632.37 633.66 What are your experiences? 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 631.01 632.37 Okay. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 641.17 644.15 And that it controls the channels and the the volume. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 634.48 641.17 Uh well I think the the the goal of a remote control is that it's it it has an influence on the T. V. set. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 641.32 641.74 Mm. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 644.87 654.79 And uh I I I think it's positive if there's a a LED uh uh a LED on the corner of the of the remote. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 654.79 658.72 So that you know it s it still has batteries on it in it. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 658.72 664.26 And that if you push the button the LED uh gives a light, and uh and you see that it's working. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 665.64 666.68 And uh yeah. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 666.68 667.1 Uh 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 669.35 672.42 So and do they always have that? 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 669.57 670.19 Yeah, but 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 678.69 678.86 Yeah. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 673.35 677.77 But I my my experience is that it it it's convenient to have that. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 677.77 678.69 Yeah. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 672.93 673.35 No no no. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 676.55 678.29 It's easy to you. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 678.29 678.83 Okay. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 680.32 680.7 'Kay. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 682.28 688.72 Uh at home we have a T. V., a video uh recorder, a D. V. D. player, and a satellite receiver. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 692.37 695.06 That's not really ea easy. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 688.72 692.37 We have uh four distinctive remote controls for that. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 695.06 697.23 So it would be nice if we have one for all. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 690.71 692.14 Thank you. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 694.61 697.2 Help also. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 697.2 697.66 Thank you. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 697.68 701.27 And we also had a remote control for our radio set. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 701.27 708.11 But um i it it had a lot of buttons on it, and you didn't know which one was what. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 708.11 710.95 And it was uh uh v not easy to use. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 710.95 712.38 So we n barely used it. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 715.21 716.44 So next. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 721.51 728.92 So what ideas do you have for it, for the new remote control? 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 728.92 732.79 What what does it have to have? 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 712.9 715.21 Okay so they have too much. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 716.44 721.51 For our own remote control we have to think how do we make it. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 715.61 715.97 Hmm. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 733.97 735.46 Not not too heavy. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 733.5 733.97 The weight. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 735.52 736.14 Not too heavy. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 742.34 744.3 Not much buttons. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 742.38 743.01 Yes. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 754.76 755.07 Yeah. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 760.15 762.09 Or hard uh hard plastic. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 755.16 756 Bust-free. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 756 758.17 That when you drop it, it won't break. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 758.17 760.15 Like uh some kind of rubber on it. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 764.56 765.73 Uh buttons not too small. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 782.85 788.58 When you push a but a button on the T. V., then you hear some uh some sort of bleep. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 775.25 780.88 Uh something like when you uh lose your uh remote control, sometimes it happen. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 780.88 782.85 Uh it between the couch and you can't find it. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 788.58 790.85 And then you uh, hey there there's remote control. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 780.5 780.85 Yes. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 788.37 789.16 Like a phone. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 791.47 791.78 Yeah. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 791.53 792.1 Okay. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 794.24 795.46 Yeah. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 804.17 807.16 So, that's. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 805.28 805.8 Next. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 809.43 809.95 Uh 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 807.68 809.43 Yeah well that's that are good ideas. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 811.41 814.56 Yeah well the LED on the corner, that that indicates that it's working. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 816.6 817.34 Um 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 814.56 816.6 If you push a button. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 824.06 824.65 Yeah. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 835.39 835.5 Uh 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 829.97 832.93 And looking on the budget, not too expensive uh material. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 832.93 835.39 So probably plastic or something. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 835.64 836.08 Okay. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 844.74 848.99 Yeah I think it uh from a marketing point of view, it also has to look nice. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 848.99 849.8 Or you won't sell it. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 851.77 852.15 Yes. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 860.63 863.64 And it should work with as many uh as possible of them. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 852.74 860.63 And um yeah uh on our website we can see what products we already have. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 870.78 871.28 Okay. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 864.71 866.13 Okay. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 866.13 870.78 This is It has to be compatible with other things. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 870 870.29 Yes. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 875.24 877.18 I have one more idea. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 877.18 878.16 Just popped up. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 879.6 879.92 Yes? 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 880.34 883.12 Uh it it won't take a lot of batteries. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 883.12 887.56 So you don't won't have to change the batteries uh once a week or uh once every two weeks. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 888.28 889.42 No battery use. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 894.31 896.37 So more ideas? 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 897.8 898.66 Mm no. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 902.06 913.25 So uh what are we going to do now is Next meeting is in half an h hour. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 913.25 913.93 Uh 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 900 902.06 It's only the first ideas. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 899.45 900 No okay. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 922.57 924.64 Um, what you have to do. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 920.52 922.57 Next meeting, half an hour. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 919.89 920.52 Okay. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 926.6 929.86 Well look on your. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 929.86 930.65 And 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 936.05 936.75 So 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 932.58 936.05 Next instructions you'll get in your email. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 938.76 940.27 This is the first meeting. 
TS3010a H00 MTD037PM 940.27 942.79 See you later in half an hour. 
TS3010a H01 MTD039UID 943.72 944.19 Yes. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 943.83 944.52 Okay. 
TS3010a H02 MTD038ID 944.52 945.04 Thank you. 
TS3010a H03 MTD040ME 944.05 944.73 Okay. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 107.17 109.11 Okay. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 113.03 114.53 What do do we have to do? 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 109.11 113.03 So welcome back. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 123.22 127.41 I want to say I'm the secretary, so I make the minutes. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 120.72 123.22 So first. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 127.41 131.93 You find them in your in the map in the 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 137.34 140.46 You'll find the next minutes also there. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 133.93 135.16 From the group. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 135.16 137.34 There's the minutes from the first meeting. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 142.44 144.25 Then 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 145.27 147.74 I wanna hear from you, what you've done. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 167.62 172.94 So first I wanna ask the 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 149.3 152.63 And after that I have some new product requirements. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 152.63 159.47 So And after that we have to make decisions, what we will do. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 159.47 161.06 And then we're ready. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 165.28 167.62 After that we'll have lunch. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 161.06 165.28 We have forty minutes for this meeting. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 182.51 183.37 So 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 174.61 182.51 Industrial Designer to tell what he did. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 183.47 185.02 Okay. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 181.83 183.47 That's my task. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 185.02 186.09 Uh I've 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 188.21 191.09 Where have I put it? 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 191.09 192.55 My Documents or not? 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 200.93 201.63 Hmm. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 205.46 208.92 I've save it on my computer, my presentation. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 209.96 211.55 Yeah on your computer, or the 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 211.77 212.5 But where? 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 213.82 214.53 What's the name? 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 216.49 218.36 Uh uh uh 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 221.66 222.96 What's the name of it? 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 225.99 230.72 It was about the working of the remote control. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 231.57 234.94 It's the technical function or the functional requirements. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 235.81 236.66 Nope. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 241.42 242.72 Not a of 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 249.07 249.2 Wait. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 253.65 254.84 The working design. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 254.84 256.81 But I've saved it. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 255.66 256.68 Working design. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 260.79 263.5 But now I don't know where it is. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 271.32 272.05 Hmm. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 272.55 274.44 Working design. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 274.44 274.99 What is this? 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 274.99 276.1 Product documents. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 277.29 277.72 Yeah. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 281.22 283.57 And I import this until 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 283.7 288.27 On the desktop. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 291.73 292.06 Up. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 293.96 294.83 up. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 295.77 296.37 One more. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 297.79 298.22 Up. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 296.18 297.79 Up. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 302.07 302.76 My Documents. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 301.14 302.07 Yes. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 299.6 301.14 Up. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 306.49 307.2 Nope. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 307.89 309.68 What the fuck is this? 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 316.32 317.89 Nah, nah, nah. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 313.27 316.32 Well you Um Nah. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 308.95 313.27 Gone. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 320.02 321.08 PowerPoint. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 321.08 321.99 Working design. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 322.12 323.5 Yeah that's the empty one. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 324.99 327.1 And 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 328.05 328.95 I had one. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 328.9 329.73 Presentation 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 331.91 332.9 of working design. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 331.93 332.36 Uh-huh. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 334.64 335.43 Open it. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 336.56 337.75 Okay here it is. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 338.37 341.2 Save as. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 344.54 345.65 Uh it's 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 345.09 345.68 Desktop. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 348.66 349.2 Project. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 348.75 349.85 Project. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 354.76 355.03 Well. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 351.34 354.76 Okay. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 349.31 351.34 Yeah. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 350.62 350.95 Save. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 351.22 352.12 Okay. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 353.09 353.93 Very good. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 355 356.76 A little later but here it is. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 356.61 357.07 Okay. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 358.29 358.96 So 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 375.27 376.17 So okay. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 376.17 379.22 It's a little difficult what I'm gonna tell you. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 379.22 382.6 It's about the working of the remote control. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 382.6 387.48 I just had an half an hour j to study it and I don't get it. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 385.65 387.35 Make it. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 387.35 388.58 Now have ten minutes to tell it. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 389.21 390.2 Ten minutes to tell it. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 390.87 399.77 I think it will be a few minutes and First uh I will tell you something about the findings, what I discovered about the remote control. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 390.2 390.87 Okay. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 399.77 401.17 The working bout it uh of it. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 393.19 393.59 Okay. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 409.25 414.21 With a little bit of science, uh you I will show that uh in in a few minutes. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 414.21 416.21 And then uh what I'll think about it. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 402.94 409.25 Uh then I'll have uh some kind of map, and it's the top of the remote control. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 419.44 431.11 The remote control is a very difficult uh thing to uh to explain to just all of you wh who haven't seen a remote control uh inside. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 417.99 419.44 First, the findings. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 431.11 436.7 Uh there's a lot of uh plastic on it, um because its uh not so expensive. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 452.83 457.25 So it won't be um uh too expensive to build it. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 457.25 460.95 Only twelve Euro fifty I think uh we will make it. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 437.46 445.31 And there are uh a lot of uh wires, uh which um connect the components in it,
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 450.39 452.83 There's a lot of small uh electronics. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 445.31 450.39 the battery, and there are um switches and things like that. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 467.92 469.61 Uh here's some kind of chip. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 473.04 475.98 Uh you have all on your remote control. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 463.23 467.92 Now And here I have the top of the remote control. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 478.48 481.73 And uh here's the battery. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 475.98 478.48 And uh the teletext uh button. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 469.61 473.04 Uh on top of this, there are uh the numbers. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 495.18 497.5 That's what I said, it's very difficult. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 497.5 500.82 And after that it will be sent to the infrared. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 488.01 495.18 And the chip will um send it to all kind of sub-components. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 500.82 503.5 And that will send it to your television. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 482.16 488.01 And when you push the button, it will uh will be sent to the chip. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 503.89 506.98 That's a short h uh how it works. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 506.98 510.74 Uh I think I can uh make it uh difficult, but we all 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 511.92 513.44 we all don't get it. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 516.01 519.97 It's uh it won't be uh We shouldn't make it too big. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 514.72 516.01 My preferences? 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 526.63 529.03 A long-lasting battery. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 532.79 534.91 Not other materials. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 529.03 532.79 Uh also for the cost, uh use only plastic. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 521.72 526.63 Uh also for the cost, uh we should only put one battery on it. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 534.91 539.22 Also because of the cost, uh not too much buttons on it. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 544.66 549 And then um that that you will see it on the T. V. . 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 552.42 554.78 That's I think it's easier. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 549 552.42 And on the T. V. you can uh switch into the menu. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 539.41 544.66 We can also make uh a button uh with a menu uh button. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 552.86 553.42 Mm-hmm. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 571.53 575.09 and you push a button, and then you hear bleep bleep, and we will find it. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 558.73 564.17 Uh but we can also use it uh a bleep like something, when the battery's empty, then there is a bleep. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 567.79 571.53 And also the bleep, when what I told you about uh when you lost it,
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 555.47 558.73 And the bleep signal, y uh you told us. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 564.17 567.79 Then you'll have to change it in a in a week or something. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 579.38 579.58 Yeah. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 577.11 579.38 This is uh just uh Yeah. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 579.97 581.32 The battery. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 584.09 584.54 Why? 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 579.21 579.97 Two questions. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 581.32 584.09 You say one battery is cheaper. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 577.77 579.21 Oh oh. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 585.6 591.36 If we w if we use only just one uh small pen-light, then it will be cheaper than when we use two. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 590.86 594.86 Yeah but when you use two, you can use it two times longer. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 596.28 604.07 Yeah but then we'll have to make the um remote control uh long lasting. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 604.07 604.62 Just 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 603.92 607.66 Okay so it's the size of the remote control. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 607.66 609.51 Okay and the buttons. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 609.51 615.73 When you use it on the television, you've you need the television, wh which can use it. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 606.87 607.29 Yeah. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 616.61 616.98 Yeah. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 618.26 626.46 But uh I think this our remote control is for the televisions we uh we sell in our company? 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 626.46 630.49 Or is it also for other company uh for other televisions? 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 618.54 618.59 S 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 626.23 626.54 Okay. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 632.77 635.99 I think we have to use it also on other televisions though. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 646.12 651.04 And on the other tele televisions, you can also use it, but then we won't use the 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 636.3 638.65 Then this is an option. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 642.29 646.12 And then we make it easier uh for our televisions. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 638.65 642.29 Maybe just a menu button to use it on our televisions. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 637.92 638.77 So 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 653.7 654.87 We have to choose one. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 649.58 653.7 Yeah but I don't I think it They are two different things though. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 656.12 658.85 It has to work on o uh all televisions. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 659.54 659.73 Mm. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 660.51 661.02 Okay. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 661.02 667.39 Then I think uh the menu button uh will only work on the newer televisions. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 659.74 660.51 Yeah? 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 668.62 675.5 And we will uh look forward and don't make a remote control which for the older televisions. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 672.22 672.41 Hmm. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 675.84 676.24 Okay. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 691.53 692.5 To change covers. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 679.88 682.25 Uh maybe it's one of your tasks. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 682.25 691.53 But Uh, to have a trendy remote control, we can also um make something like the Nokia um mobile phones. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 676.98 679.88 And I just uh have one more idea. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 697.41 700.57 And then you can put a red cover on it. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 693.11 697.41 So if you have uh a trendy half with all red, uh yellow and something. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 700.57 702.86 And also different things. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 698.59 698.73 Hmm. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 703.38 704.01 Good idea. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 702.99 703.38 Yeah. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 704.26 706.2 Will this will this add to the cost? 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 704.29 704.7 Yes. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 712.79 714.11 And then you can buy the covers. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 707.43 712.79 Uh then it won't be uh will have just one cover on the uh original one. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 715.01 717.77 Yes but you have to m uh be able to change it. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 717.77 719.91 D does it make it more difficult to design? 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 720.81 724.48 I think it will be a little more difficult, but not too much. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 723.75 724.13 Mm-hmm. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 724.8 725.05 'Kay. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 724.15 724.8 Not much. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 725.49 728.57 Just like with the Nokia uh mobile phones. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 728.57 728.93 Just one. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 728.07 732.42 Yeah but there are much more Nokia telephones than um these ones. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 733.25 738.09 Yeah but then we'll have to to just um put five covers on it, and see if it works. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 740.75 742.75 Then we uh won't g uh go further with it. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 738.09 740.75 If it won't works then we'll get something else. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 743.2 744.2 Yeah but are their 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 745.32 747.44 profits bigger than their cost? 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 749.08 754.35 Uh a p a a cover made in uh in China, it it won't be I guess so expensive I think. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 754.88 757.89 Yeah but there are also design cost. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 759.45 763.77 I don't think When you have a remote control, do you change the cover? 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 765.55 766.52 Maybe. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 777.52 777.76 Uh 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 766.52 768.24 I wi I won't. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 772.49 777.52 and uh the the children think, oh this is my remote control, uh I made a picture on it. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 768.24 772.49 But maybe I think trendy people or like children where you can paint on it,
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 765.87 767.31 Would you change the cover? 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 768.73 769.03 No. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 773.46 774.09 N yeah but 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 781.99 782.48 So 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 776.97 781.99 I think that too less people would change it for good profit. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 781.24 781.47 Yeah. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 782.72 783 Okay. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 786.85 788.1 What do you think about it? 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 786.08 786.85 And the other people? 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 786.81 787.19 Um 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 789.85 790.79 Yeah it's a good idea. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 790.79 791.27 But 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 792.38 799.83 If if it Yeah, I don't I'm not sure if it will make profit enough to uh But it's uh yeah it's uh original idea. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 795.53 795.83 Okay. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 800.06 802.65 Yes it is but I don't think we have to do it. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 803.11 803.51 No. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 803.23 804.3 Okay. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 804.3 806.76 You're the Project Manager. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 807.25 807.86 That's it. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 806.76 807.25 Yes. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 803.36 803.62 Mm. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 805.84 806.26 Okay. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 809.42 810.76 Okay thank you. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 810.76 813.6 So now the User Interface Designer. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 807.79 809.42 That's clear. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 813.74 814.32 That's me. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 813.06 813.74 Oh. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 820.66 821.79 Uh 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 828.55 829.25 Come on. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 833.36 833.52 Ah. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 833.72 834 Yeah. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 847.2 855.08 Um I thought the the the technical function design was uh to uh for a remote control to to to have some influence on the T. V. set. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 837.59 847.2 Yes well uh uh I shall give a short talk about the the technical function design. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 861.84 867.22 And uh well, it all by pushing a button on the remote. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 859.1 861.84 No cords attached. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 855.78 859.1 Uh both audio and vide video uh in a cordless way. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 867.22 871.32 That was from my own experience and uh and uh the previous meeting. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 875.43 877.51 Uh well the same idea here. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 872.44 875.43 Uh I find some uh some interesting quotes on the web. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 877.51 880.06 Uh message to the television. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 881.5 891.34 And uh and and and well basic uh operations like on and off, and uh switching channels, and uh and maybe uh teletext or something like that. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 902.3 902.94 Uh 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 892.55 902.3 Uh well these are two uh remotes, and that's our uh our dilemma I think. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 907.46 916.72 But uh shall we make a basic remote control, uh just uh swapping channels and volume and uh power button and well nothing much more. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 904.07 907.46 We just heard from the Industrial Designer how uh difficult it is. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 916.86 921.57 Or uh uh more functions on the remote. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 921.57 925.72 Uh maybe more devices you can influence. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 925.72 930.09 Uh a radio or a v a video recorder, uh V. C. R. . 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 933.22 935.52 Um any ideas about that? 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 931.8 933.22 Yeah well that's our dilemma. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 936.72 938.99 Basic or multifunctional? 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 939.37 941.09 We'll got back on that later. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 942.07 943.75 Yeah well the that was just on my mind. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 943.75 946.47 So uh I didn't know what uh 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 941.26 942.07 Okay yeah. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 942.35 942.64 Yes. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 947.82 948.88 what way we would go. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 951.32 955.1 Mm yeah well that was my uh functional uh talk. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 956.25 956.68 'Kay. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 957.43 958.25 'Kay, thank you. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 961.06 963.7 Then it's your turn, the marketing expert. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 963.09 963.39 Okay. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 965.58 966 Uh um m 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 986.83 986.96 Yeah. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 993.89 995.09 This bit too far. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 992.44 993.89 Um yeah okay. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 998.24 998.7 So 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1001.1 1009.01 So I'm uh gonna have a presentation about um the market, about um yeah what people think. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1014.41 1017.21 And we looked at uh several um things. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1017.21 1026.19 Uh among them design, uh d d how d did they like the use of it, uh what frustrations they had while using remote controls. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1009.01 1014.41 Uh we did a usability lab-test with a hundred persons. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1030.08 1034.33 And uh we asked them if we had some new featu features. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1034.33 1036.4 If um that would be a good idea or not. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1026.54 1030.08 Uh well what what will be our market. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1037.96 1039.36 Well our findings. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1039.36 1044.5 Uh our users, they disliked the look and feel of current remote controls. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1047.14 1051.24 Um uh they especially found found them very ugly. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1051.24 1057.33 And um th they also found them hard to to learn how to use it. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1057.33 1059.59 Uh well they also zap a lot. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1059.59 1062.26 So uh zapping uh should be very easy. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1072.95 1073.93 There is more findings. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1069.81 1072.95 So a lot of unused buttons. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1063.33 1069.81 And uh fifty percent of the users only use ten percent of the buttons. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1082.55 1086.31 Well uh the most used button is the channel selection. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1074.5 1075.39 Uh on the buttons. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1075.39 1080.77 Which uh buttons find users uh very important and which which not? 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1080.77 1082.55 And how much would they use them? 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1092.53 1096.66 The power, volume and channel selections are very relevant. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1087.09 1092.53 And uh we asked them how uh relevant they think uh the buttons are. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1096.66 1099.97 Uh teletext is uh less relevant but also important. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1100.66 1110.58 Uh not important they found the audio, uh that's not the volume but uh specific the the pitch, or the left or right. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1110.58 1112.06 Uh the screen and the brightness. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1112.06 1113.49 And uh channel settings. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1118.54 1122.84 Then we have a few um graphs about the market. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1122.84 1127.71 Uh here we can see what the market share is of uh several groups. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1114.05 1118.54 Uh th and they also are not used very often. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1129.65 1135.48 Um as you can see, most users are uh between thirty six and forty five. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1141.58 1150.85 And to come back on the the swapping uh things, uh I don't think uh, I I think the younger will be most interest in it. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1135.48 1141.58 Um the the the younger group between sixteen and twenty five is not very big. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1151.59 1155.57 But uh they are not a very big group. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1155.57 1161.23 Um in the we asked them, uh how would you like a s a new feature. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1161.23 1165.4 If you have an L. C. D. on the remote control, what would you think of it. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1171.63 1176.07 And older user think uh they will be scared of change I think. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1169.26 1171.63 I will that would very nice. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1166.1 1169.26 Now you can clearly see young users say. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1176.07 1177.86 And they won't like it. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1177.86 1183.31 And another thing, how would you like to have a speech recognition on it. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1184.14 1185.15 Well here we see the same. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1188.55 1191.92 And old users not. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1198.56 1203.59 Uh the first are the younger, the age between sixteen and forty five. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1185.15 1188.55 Young users uh think that's an interesting idea. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1191.92 1198.56 Uh well we uh found out that there are two several markets at which we can aim. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1203.59 1207.93 Uh they are highly interested in the features, as you can see uh here. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1210.2 1213.9 And um they are more critical on their money spending. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1237.48 1239.42 And the second group about forty percent. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1216.49 1219.19 Uh the second group is the older group. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1225.64 1228.11 But uh they spend their money more easily. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1222.5 1225.64 They are less interested in uh new features. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1219.19 1222.5 Aged between forty six and sixty five. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1228.11 1237.48 Now if we look back at this graph, we can see that among the first group is about um sixty percent. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1248.11 1253.51 Uh yeah the first question is uh also we have to ask is at the which market do we aim at. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1244.18 1248.11 Well then I come to my uh personal preferences. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1240.13 1244.18 So the the first group is bigger. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1264.04 1267.8 Um well I uh Okay. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1267.8 1272.28 What I thought, um even young people say it's hard to use, 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1255.3 1261.19 Uh of course n uh saying we aim at the young group doesn't say that old people won't buy it. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1261.19 1264.04 But less of them will buy it. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1273.48 1274.63 remote control. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1278.31 1283.92 that's especially aimed at this group, even uh the young group will also be more interested. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1274.63 1278.31 So if you make a remote control that is uh very easy to use,
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1291.8 1296.32 But when use it, uh I don't know what's uh good thing of speech recognition. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1288.02 1291.8 But uh I think it looks nice in the first time. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1284.65 1288.02 And um we can make special features. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1297.18 1297.41 Mm-hmm. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1301.85 1306.58 Uh less important functions should be discarded from the remote control. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1306.58 1309.18 It's about discussion we had earlier. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1309.18 1309.93 Um 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1299.16 1301.85 Um well th uh that's my second point. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1311.23 1313.99 You can find most functions on a T. V. set. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1316.14 1322.14 So uh you don't have to have a lot of audio options, or screen options to change the brightness. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1327.43 1329.79 One thing I did not say I think 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1324.97 1327.43 Um well the design is very important. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1323.4 1324.97 And such things. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1329.79 1337.65 is that a lot of users also said then I would uh buy a good looking uh remote control if there will be one. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1342.23 1346.15 So the design of our remote control is very important. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1338.18 1342.23 But they found most remote controls very ugly. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1346.15 1350.65 And uh yeah it should be very zap friendly, as most users use it for that. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1353.43 1354.41 That were my findings. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1356.09 1358.05 Okay thank you. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1358.05 1358.32 Yes. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1356.32 1356.73 Yeah. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1377.44 1379.18 Do you think? 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1356.73 1358.03 I have uh one question. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1379.18 1379.79 Like 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1372.42 1377.44 Uh I think we don't have that in our budget. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1369.12 1372.42 uh the cost will be a lot of h uh a lot higher. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1358.03 1369.12 If we aim for the younger people, um and there will be uh a lot of features like L. C. D. or the the the speech uh f recognising 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1372.32 1372.69 Yes. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1372.33 1372.44 Mm-hmm. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1377.17 1377.54 No. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1377.99 1378.07 No. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1378.86 1385.84 And I don't uh I don't think twenty five Euros for a remote is really cheap or something. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1385.84 1386.48 So it's 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1385.51 1385.68 No. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1385.21 1385.51 No. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1387.91 1389.17 Yeah, it's hard to uh 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1392.07 1393.14 get the younger 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1393.33 1393.65 Uh-huh. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1394.57 1394.98 group. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1402.08 1402.56 L. C. D. . 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1398.12 1402.08 So I think that can be an d good option. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1394.66 1398.12 I think uh the L. C. D. is cheaper than speech recognition. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1398.83 1399.13 Mm-hmm. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1405.09 1405.58 Mm-hmm. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1403.6 1405.09 Just the L. C. D. ? 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1405.01 1405.85 Only the L. C. D. . 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1404.42 1405.01 Yes. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1409.12 1412.1 So But we'll come back on that. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1412.78 1413.34 Okay. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1413.78 1414.28 Now 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1415.63 1418.55 Oh, go on. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1421.36 1423.19 What d d d um 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1428.47 1429.08 Um 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1435.16 1439.24 Now we have a few new product requirements. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1441.38 1445.43 We have internet now so we don't need the teletext anymore. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1445.43 1446.13 So 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1431.46 1435.16 Uh we go back on the decisions later. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1439.24 1441.38 First, teletext. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1450.08 1450.49 Next. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1447.64 1450.08 not necessary. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1452.95 1453.94 Only for the television. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1453.94 1458.86 So we don't look at the other things like the radio or something. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1461.44 1462.18 Third. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1458.86 1461.44 Only the television. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1471.22 1479.58 Is a g big group, and like you showed, n not very much people buy our stuff. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1468.87 1471.22 Uh no, younger than forty. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1465.72 1468.87 We look at the age group of forty plus. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1481.96 1484.38 Fourth point. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1488.65 1490.89 Very important for the design. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1485.75 1488.65 Our corporate colour and slogan must be used. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1490.89 1492.61 So you can see it on our site. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1494.63 1495.4 Next. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1497.1 1498.71 Um no. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1510.54 1514.13 So like 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1505.75 1510.54 We have to make our decisions, what we want to do. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1523.55 1525.57 Maybe it's good to put it in a document. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1515.16 1523.55 you said, we need the. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1532.7 1535.49 So maybe you can tell us. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1529.45 1532.7 Now we have to decide what controls do we need. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1536.39 1542.09 Yeah maybe we can first have a discussion uh on the the product requirements you just uh said. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1542.79 1543.14 Sorry? 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1553.9 1560.68 Uh not everyone um who is looking T. V. can go to internet when they want to see the latest news. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1543.78 1549.54 The the requirements you just said, maybe we should first have a discussion about that. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1549.54 1553.9 I uh personally think uh teletext is a good option. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1545.86 1546.09 Yes. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1549 1550.22 Yes, it's okay. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1566.93 1570.44 So, it's not my requirement. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1561.53 1563.56 Yeah but we don't use it. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1563.56 1566.93 It's a new requirement. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1573.72 1574.2 Okay. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1571.65 1573.72 'Kay, we'll just have to do that. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1573.1 1573.97 We have to do this. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1575.09 1575.81 Okay. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1575.81 1576.44 Okay sorry. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1576.44 1577.14 Then uh 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1578.57 1579.29 Unfortunately. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1577.21 1578.57 Okay. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1575.52 1577.21 No discussion about it. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1576.76 1577.02 No. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1579.81 1580.23 So 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1582.28 1583.46 what controls do we need? 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1588.46 1589.01 Who first? 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1590.7 1592.1 Well a power button? 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1592.86 1593.4 Okay. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1595.58 1597.83 Uh power. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1606.37 1607.04 So 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1600.56 1606.37 Uh the well um I think separate channels. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1608.99 1610.47 Uh mm channel. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1613.45 1615.28 But then both the the separate channels. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1615.28 1618.15 So so uh zero to nine or something. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1616.28 1616.93 Channel 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1619.43 1620.42 Zero to nine. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1622.98 1624.35 Uh volume. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1624.94 1625.58 Volume. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1635.32 1636.6 What was w your one? 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1631.89 1635.32 Maybe it's easy to pick. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1637.97 1638.44 Techno 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1638.42 1639.05 Mine? 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1639.05 1640.53 It's the functional requirements. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1641.35 1641.56 Okay. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1651.84 1655.59 We had w uh no no no no. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1656.72 1658.7 Where was that example of the 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1659.34 1660.18 Oh mine. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1661.48 1666.01 That was the the the the the technical 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1660.12 1661.48 Johan. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1664.52 1665.06 Technical. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1672.77 1673.24 Hallo. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1676.09 1678.24 Okay. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1678.24 1678.91 What do we need? 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1681.94 1682.73 Zero to nine. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1680.95 1681.94 On-off. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1684.61 1687.25 To change to the next channel, just one button. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1687.25 1688.6 To move up, move down. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1689.54 1691.18 Yeah that's the channel. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1691.59 1692.85 Do we make a menu? 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1690.45 1691.59 D Yeah. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1695.61 1700.83 Uh yes the n newer televisions ha do have menus. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1694.2 1695.61 Menu? 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1702.08 1702.56 Uh 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1702.33 1705.07 Uh 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1707.17 1708.33 I think um 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1703.71 1707.17 M Menu. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1711.67 1712.06 the 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1713.64 1714.4 only one or 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1715.62 1717.67 two numbers. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1718.33 1718.77 Mm yes. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1720.67 1721.47 And 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1722.52 1722.82 Hello? 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1725.77 1726.89 That's ch 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1741.97 1746.69 Up-down for channel selection, and left-right uh for volume. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1746.69 1749.97 And uh a menu uh button. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1749.97 1754.88 And if you press the menu button you get into the menu, and you can use the same buttons. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1736.74 1741.97 I think it will be um q quite easy to use, to have uh uh four arrows. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1754.88 1757.34 But the then to scroll through the menu and to change the options. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1743.68 1743.93 Yes. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1758.3 1759.5 On the L. C. D. screen, 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1761.18 1761.55 you mean? 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1762.85 1767 Uh well yeah that depends on if you have uh the menu on the T. V. . 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1767 1770.14 Or you get the menu on the L. C. D. screen on the remote control. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1770.15 1776.7 Think it's better to have it on the remote control, 'cause it it has to work on all televisions. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1777.94 1778.24 So 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1778.29 1778.54 Yes. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1780.25 1781.91 But then we come to the costs. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1780.5 1781.19 we need 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1782.83 1784.78 N Yes. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1784.78 1786.04 But if we 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1787.64 1789.69 have this 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1789.84 1789.93 'Kay. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1792 1800.82 But well if you aim at the younger market, um a as they as uh s uh as we seen in the usability uh lab 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1800.82 1804.11 uh they will buy a nice looking um 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1805.35 1806.05 remote control. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1807.73 1812.84 And also to find the easy to use uh part very important. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1812.84 1818.59 So if we have a L. C. D. sh uh screen, and uh not too many buttons,
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1818.59 1824.28 I think that will incre uh uh even when it's a bit more cost, it will still sell. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1826.68 1831.47 So now we don't have a lot of buttons. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1833.77 1834.55 Is this enough? 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1836.09 1836.57 Mute. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1837.99 1838.28 Mute. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1840.55 1841.84 Maybe in the menu? 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1844.26 1845.15 Um 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1844.7 1845.02 Mm. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1847.27 1850.27 Yeah but then it's always uh more than one uh 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1854.51 1855.38 Mm-hmm. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1855.38 1855.84 Okay. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1853.21 1854.51 Mute. 
TS3010b H01 MTD039UID 1853.65 1854.53 thing to do. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1855.15 1855.32 Yeah. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1858.63 1859.31 Maybe more? 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1865.44 1866.22 No. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1871.58 1875.88 Then that's all. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1875.88 1877.82 This will be the buttons. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1868.82 1871.58 Well. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1881.33 1882.21 And 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1889.17 1891.85 So we can go on to 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1885.81 1889.17 I think that's enough for the next phase. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1896.81 1902.49 And uh we don't yet have to decide what the remote control would look like? 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1902.49 1903.07 Or 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1894.9 1896.81 But now we have only the buttons. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1896.84 1897.09 Yes. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1903.26 1905.34 No that's for the next phase. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1905.34 1911.5 Um 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1904.61 1905.04 Okay. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1915.14 1917.38 Phase two is the conceptual design. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1917.38 1920.56 So then we'll have the concepts. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1918.06 1918.71 Okay. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1920.98 1921.38 Okay. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1922.98 1926.33 That's for the So uh next point. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1928.17 1929.3 Now we have lunch-break. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1930.87 1935.06 After that we have t thirty minutes for work. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1944.83 1945.03 No. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1935.06 1944.83 And you can find the minutes in the Project Documents folder inclusive the uh buttons. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1946.31 1949.69 Your individual action, you can find them in the email. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1953.22 1954.64 So now it's time for lunch. 
TS3010b H02 MTD038ID 1954.91 1955.4 Okay. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1955.3 1955.8 Okay. 
TS3010b H03 MTD040ME 1955.8 1956.24 Good idea. 
TS3010b H00 MTD037PM 1956.74 1957.7 Thanks for coming. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 54.11 57.15 What are we doing? 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 57.15 57.44 Oops. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 47.5 50.11 Okay. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 50.11 54.11 Well, let's start. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 60.4 60.68 Hmm. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 60.8 61.75 Ah, pinball. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 67.52 68.08 Uh 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 65.15 67.52 Not doing. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 62.2 64.09 Okay. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 64.09 65.15 Okay. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 67.55 67.98 Ah. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 69.93 75.31 Now I have my screen back too. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 67.98 69.05 Hey. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 69.05 69.93 Ah. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 66.86 67.55 Mm. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 67.84 68.04 Oh. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 72.64 73.2 Very good. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 87.24 90.79 Isn't it amazing. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 76.12 80.65 Okay. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 86.13 87.24 Yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 80.65 81.96 we have presentations. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 81.96 86.13 So first, it's your turn. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 80.05 80.29 Yeah. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 85.96 86.71 Oh, great. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 85.32 85.96 Mine. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 86.64 89.91 Huh. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 88.86 90.82 Yeah. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 92.5 93.61 Very interesting. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 95.14 96.48 Uh 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 115.08 116.72 Interface concept. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 111.46 115.08 Industrial Designer. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 116.54 121.7 Yes, well uh let's uh talk about the interface uh concept. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 124.04 131.55 Uh, first I'll uh I'll uh discuss the buttons we just chose, uh show you some samples, uh 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 132.84 135.49 uh discuss some colours and design maybe, already. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 135.49 137.22 And uh my personal preferences. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 147.63 156.71 The channels buttons, one to nine, and uh off uh uh zero to nine, and the uh button to choose uh higher channels than nine. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 142.65 147.63 The bu uh the mute button to switch the volume on and o on and off. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 138.72 142.65 Well we chose the power button to switch the television on and off. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 157.38 165.05 Uh the volume and channel quadrants, uh left and right, up and down arrows, to uh do the volume and channel. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 165.05 169.47 And the menu menu button to man manipulate the L. C. D. uh display. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 178.25 185.15 Um, well uh what's pretty standard is uh that it's that they're all pretty uh uh high uh 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 170.88 177.16 Um, I found some uh interesting uh uh samples. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 177.16 178.25 Examples. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 185.85 186.89 Large. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 186.89 188.83 A lot a lot of buttons buttons. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 187.13 187.36 Yeah. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 192.06 195.81 Um, power buttons are mostly at the top 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 187.36 192.06 Large and and and pretty thin and uh and long. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 186.73 187.13 Yeah. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 197.94 199.09 uh left or right. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 201.25 204.14 Um, well we see the the the same uh 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 205.25 206.14 arrows. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 208.53 209.45 And uh 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 206.14 208.53 Like there. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 211.17 213.17 Yeah, well arrow b buttons can be blue. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 226.93 231.09 Uh this is the V. for volume, but they're both uh a V. . 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 219.41 222.55 Some buttons have icons like the play and stop, but we don't use that. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 222.55 226.93 But uh, these we we have to choose the right icons, or or letters. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 214.76 219.41 And what's interesting is the the the icons on the buttons. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 231.09 235.66 So it's it's not really very uh clear what's the function of that. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 236.09 236.4 Yeah. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 237.16 238 Um 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 239.9 240.66 So, that's 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 239.67 239.9 Yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 240.89 243.05 Can you go back one page? 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 244.77 248.86 For the uh menu, what do we use for that? 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 250.9 251.91 Uh, well 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 251.24 253.3 We don't have buttons for the menu. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 253.3 256.7 Or we may have to use channel of the volume and channel. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 261.22 262.99 So, uh how 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 258.74 261.22 I thought that was our uh idea. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 258.05 258.74 Yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 261.49 262.49 But uh 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 260.35 261.49 Okay. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 264.11 265.74 You have to put it on the 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 268.32 269.39 Or or this. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 266.74 268.32 Like this. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 267.7 267.95 Yeah. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 271.06 272.57 And that the menu button is okay. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 272.97 275.6 Yeah but, has to be clear that you can use the arrows. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 277.05 278.17 Uh, so the 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 275.68 277.05 Yeah, okay. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 276.45 276.85 Yes. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 279.77 282.43 The icons on the arrows, as well, you mean. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 282.58 282.89 Yes. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 281.94 282.58 Mm-hmm. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 282.89 283.61 The second one. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 284.12 284.52 Yeah. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 287.08 289.14 Uh, well that's something to uh think about. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 289.27 289.66 Okay. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 292.08 294.02 And you will see it. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 289.76 292.08 Uh, maybe I'll have something in my uh presentation. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 293.05 293.48 Okay. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 293.39 295.44 Okay. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 316.6 318.39 I would uh recommend a yellow case. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 296.89 302.77 Um, well I don't I don't know if we have to discuss this already, or in the next uh meeting. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 302.77 304.2 But uh 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 304.2 316.6 as we have to uh to to design the the case and the whole uh remote control in our uh our our corporate uh company uh uh colours and the logo 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 327.44 328.76 So, it's good. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 320.64 322.64 The logo at the bottom. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 329.91 331.19 K so, I think. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 318.86 320.64 Uh, round edges. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 322.64 327.44 And uh, well maybe each each uh set of buttons uh has uh has his own colour. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 328.76 329.91 Uh, recognisable. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 331.79 334.16 Not too much colours. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 334.86 335.14 Uh, no. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 338.1 342.06 But this has to be has to be trendy and uh and 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 335.14 335.94 Not too much. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 335.94 338.1 But uh No, no, no. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 336.28 337.54 No, it's not flower power. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 340.31 340.91 S okay. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 345.15 353.02 Uh, yeah so good uh good icons on the buttons, and uh and big buttons is my uh personal uh 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 354.22 354.76 opinion. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 356.79 357.21 Okay. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 357.99 358.55 That was that. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 358.93 359.34 Thank you. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 361.09 362.5 So, you're next. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 362.78 364.11 I'm next, okay. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 384.95 385.91 Here we go. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 383.36 384.2 Yes. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 384.2 384.95 No. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 399.5 406.9 And then, I'll discuss what my opinion is about the costs, about uh what battery is in it, what kind of buttons also. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 388.55 393.37 Uh, at first we will uh I will f uh say something about what younger people want 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 393.37 399.5 our uh group w uh w uh we want to uh sell our remote controls to. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 388.91 389.32 Okay. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 391.07 391.29 Mm-hmm. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 420.76 424.29 Uh, the shapes are curved and round, like uh you also said. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 415.04 417.58 Like, totally yellow, totally red. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 417.58 420.76 Uh, so it's visible. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 408.58 415.04 First uh, the younger people, they want like soft mat uh materials and primary colours. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 432.66 438.08 But to give him the shape of your hand, so you it's easier to use or something like that. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 438.08 440.97 But that's just an idea. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 440.97 441.57 And then, 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 425.39 432.66 Maybe it's nice to uh get a remote control not like all the other ones, straight and uh flat and long. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 457.23 460.9 So, everybody can buy it uh at the at the supermarket. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 452.97 457.23 Uh, I think the best option is to use uh the basic battery. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 444.57 450.48 I'll have to discuss about the costs uh of all the things for the remote control. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 450.48 452.97 The battery, there are few options. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 471.74 476.74 Uh, the the form of the remote control, I think it's also nice have it curved. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 467.38 471.74 When you uh shake it a few times, it it's loaded. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 461.78 467.38 Or use uh a k uh kinetic battery like uh within a watch. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 485.67 488.17 Uh material, you use plastic. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 477.41 480.5 And maybe like it's hand-shaped. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 488.17 494.27 Hard plastic uh because uh it won't have to burst uh like in the in one time. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 494.27 498.91 And also rubber because the younger people like that, what we see in the research. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 480.5 485.67 Uh, so uh you take it here in your hand and here are the buttons. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 501.05 503.41 We have one new thing uh discovered. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 503.41 507.32 It's a scroll push uh thing like a mouse. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 516.16 520.29 if you wanna see the next, uh if you wanna see that channel. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 499.83 501.05 Uh the push-buttons. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 507.32 511.87 Maybe it's uh easy to use uh for the channels. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 511.87 516.16 When you want to go m move up, you just scroll up and click on the button,
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 534.2 535.7 You can do it with your thumb. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 526 529.28 Just scroll a bit up, scroll a bit down. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 529.28 534.2 And that's also easy just w when you have a thing like this, and you get it here. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 520.91 526 And also for the mouse, uh for the volume, it's also uh easy to use. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 536.32 542.26 And with your l left hand you can uh push the buttons uh if you push uh channel one, you can see channel one. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 536.58 536.88 Hmm. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 555.82 561.83 Um, but then we have just a basic uh uh remote control,
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 566.53 567.72 They have seen enough of it. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 553.17 555.82 They are uh cheaper. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 561.83 566.53 and I think there are a lot of those uh things, and people won't buy it any more. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 543.32 551.4 The electrics um with a scroll push uh button, we must use regular uh chips. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 551.4 553.17 There are also uh simple chips. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 575 578.42 And the costs will increase a lot more. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 568.71 572.21 And you have also advanced um chips. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 572.21 575 But that's with the L. C. D. uh screen. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 578.42 585.7 And I think our budget is too low to use and an L. C. D., and the chip who is more expensive. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 586.9 599.5 And maybe it's also then uh thoughtful if we u uh use uh as um different kind of uh shapes for the for remote control 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 599.5 602.09 that we then use the primary colours. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 602.09 607.02 Like, you get a yellow uh remote control, red one, blue one, et cetera. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 608.6 611.16 You have any more questions about this? 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 613.44 617.61 I think the main thing is we look at the costs. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 617.61 622.28 And not too basic, not a basic remote control, who everybody already has. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 614.02 614.16 Yep. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 616.57 616.92 Hmm. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 619.46 619.79 Yeah. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 624.29 625.99 No, not. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 621.2 624.29 But, thi i uh This is with an L. C. D. ? 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 626.67 627.01 No. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 624.91 626.67 Not with an L. C. D. . 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 627.2 631.78 But the L. C. D. is easy when you use the scroll uh buttons. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 626.26 627.2 No, isn't. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 633.1 636.08 Then you can scroll, you see what number, and then you push. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 635.13 635.35 Yeah. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 636.72 640.14 But then, what I say, the costs will uh get a lot higher. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 641.03 643.25 But then it's not easy to use scroll uh 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 644.6 644.95 wheel. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 645.7 648.04 Th then you'll see it on the television. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 646.1 647.13 If you don't 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 649.54 650.28 But then. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 650.28 652.37 Yeah, then you go one down one up. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 648.77 649.54 Hmm, yes. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 653.79 654.41 When you scroll. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 653.79 658.32 Yeah but l when you see a menu uh on the television,
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 658.32 663.52 it's like you see uh one to twenty, you go uh uh s scroll up, and push number tw twenty. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 661.11 666.31 Yeah but like we said before, it has to be used on every television. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 666.31 670.59 So you may not be uh 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 672.91 673.93 No. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 677.54 678.07 So 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 673.93 677.54 The television must do that. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 677.43 678.39 Mm-hmm. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 678.39 681.77 Yeah, I think the younger people will have newer televisions, which 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 682.87 685.15 can provide our uh remote control. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 684.4 688.14 Yeah but young people have to have all their uh room. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 689.72 693.1 And mostly they are smaller. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 693.1 693.52 So 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 692.77 693.21 Yes. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 694.74 696.04 But that won't be a problem. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 697.12 697.68 I think. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 697.67 701.09 Most the times that are not advanced televisions. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 719.22 725.07 And I think we must look further to uh to devel d develop something news. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 710.76 714.91 And they go to a uh supermarket and buy them uh for two Euros. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 714.91 719.22 Uh, and ge and get the most cheapest uh thing. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 706.22 710.76 And I think, what I said, everybody has them uh has them already. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 702.65 706.22 No, but then we'll get to the regular uh remote controls. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 725.96 726.32 Okay. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 726.47 733.08 Uh, can you give an indication in b uh in the cost difference between uh the chip with L. C. D. or without? 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 737.44 739.58 But I don't know uh how much higher. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 733.76 737.44 I got it on my screen and it was uh higher. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 739.53 742.98 'Cause it I think if we have an L. C. D., it will also sell a lot better. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 740.03 740.9 That's important. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 743.59 744.06 That's true. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 744.84 748.11 And that might uh bring back the costs uh 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 759.89 763.18 With a scroll menu, a w scroll thing, and a L. C. D. . 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 766.2 770.83 Or, a more hand-shaped remote control, with scroll, without L. C. D. . 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 763.18 766.2 And then a flat um remote control. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 748.52 753.03 But then we'll I think we must discuss who uh what will be better. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 753.03 759.89 If we have a better shape of the um remote control, or better options on it. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 773.88 774.19 Yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 783.17 785.12 It's very important. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 775.38 783.17 Maybe you can look how how much it is for the L. C. D. . 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 780.51 784.56 I can uh look on my uh 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 791.88 792.81 Uh 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 795.24 798.58 Note that the push-button requires a simple chip chip. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 804.45 811.08 The display requires a advanced chip, which is which in turn is more expensive than the regular chip. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 798.58 804.45 A scroll wheel requires minimally a regular chip, which is a higher price range. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 811.46 812.66 Yeah, more expensive. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 812.66 813.43 But how much? 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 814.88 815.97 Doesn't say. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 816.47 816.6 Oh. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 816.82 817.09 Huh. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 816.88 817.21 Hmm. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 819.35 819.76 Okay. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 823.15 826.39 That's from my manufacturing division. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 830.03 831.92 Well, thank you. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 826.9 830.03 Okay. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 831.92 832.94 Next. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 827.61 828.21 'Kay. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 831.02 831.5 My turn? 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 831.41 831.86 Yes? 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 837.4 840.77 Mm. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 840.77 841.39 So 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 845.1 845.92 So 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 850.31 853.22 So, my uh presentation is about trend-watching. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 853.22 856.05 Uh, I did some trend-watching. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 856.05 859.73 It's very important to uh keep up with latest trends. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 849.4 850.31 Yeah. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 859.73 861.68 'Cause if you don't, you won't sell. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 863.02 864.21 So, well how we did do that? 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 864.21 868.72 Uh, well we made an investigation of the market, by Trendwatchers. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 868.72 873.14 They uh watch in uh cities like uh Paris and Milan. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 873.14 876.67 Of course, well known for their uh trend uh trends. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 880.05 883.04 Uh, we have two groups, young and trendy, and the old and rich. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 883.04 895.01 Well th and the young and trendy, they uh they starting to like uh fruit and vegetables uh as a theme for n uh clothes,
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 895.01 897.4 shoes, and also uh products. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 878.34 880.05 And well, uh what did you find? 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 903.71 907.15 And to get a feeling for what it is, uh here is an image of it. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 899.92 903.71 That should feel have uh a spongy feeling. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 898.26 899.92 And um, material? 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 911.34 915.83 They like uh dark colours, and simple, recognisable shapes. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 920.57 921.49 Now, another picture. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 909.97 911.34 Then the old and rich. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 915.83 920.57 And um, they also like uh familiar material, uh especially wood. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 922.8 923.78 To get a feeling for this. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 930.98 935.14 So, we should also be uh look at their uh trends. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 925.67 929.17 Well, uh then already come to my personal preferences. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 935.14 938.12 However, with trends it's always if there's it's now. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 929.17 930.98 We uh aim at the younger market. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 938.12 942.5 It it it might last one year, and next year it be uh can be totally different. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 946.79 953.25 So, we m must not just only look at what the trend is now, as it might be totally different next year. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 953.25 954.78 So, that's uh one thing to keep in mind. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 943.16 946.79 And I think we want to sell our product for longer than one year. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 955.2 960.21 Changing covers. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 959.94 960.13 Yeah. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 965.48 966.11 Any questions? 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 966.86 967.04 Nope. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 967.53 967.7 No. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 968.57 969.16 It's clear. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 967.69 968.57 No. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 974.06 974.9 So now, 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 976.35 980.67 it's uh Ah, let's see. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 988.43 991.55 Now, w we have to decide 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1003.66 1005.36 So, we have to look at 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1000.61 1003.66 Well, we have to decide on the concept. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1012.5 1013.07 So 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1008.88 1012.5 Components and user interface concept. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1007.12 1008.88 'S next. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1015.81 1018.8 Now, we have to make some concept. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1018.8 1021.61 Maybe one of you can paint it on the board. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1023.8 1025.97 First, uh user interface. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1028.33 1030.09 Uh, uh-uh. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1033.03 1033.37 Uh 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1031.38 1033.03 How w how we how we make it? 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1033.28 1038.51 Yes, a concept on uh Just 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1037.68 1041.77 Shouldn't we first discuss about like what w we all 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1038.36 1038.69 Yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1041.98 1043.59 Uh, what do we want? 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1040.63 1041.98 Yeah, but maybe we can paint it. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1044.48 1047.09 Yeah, but if I paint with 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1047.56 1050.45 Okay. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1046.94 1047.56 I'll paint. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1050.45 1051.76 Well 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1051.96 1052.36 Mm. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1058.38 1058.8 Or 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1057.77 1058.38 Something like this? 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1060.55 1061.35 Mm, yes. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1060.77 1063.21 Shapes or What do we need? 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1067.08 1068.89 Can make several uh concepts. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1067.43 1067.63 What? 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1069.83 1070.5 Yes, okay. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1070.46 1074.81 We have this, and we had the idea of an um a more uh uh uh like sh in the shape of your hand. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1075.94 1076.28 Okay. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1076.04 1077.17 More like something 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1076.86 1079.1 Yeah I I I uh yes. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1078.69 1080.89 M like Yeah I can't dr I can't draw it. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1080.89 1084.24 Uh I have to. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1084.24 1086.74 I'm not a designer. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1088.08 1091.31 Like, um when you have 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1086.74 1088.08 It's more three D. . 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1080.97 1081.8 And you have to. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1083.69 1084.28 Yeah. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1093.83 1096.69 a part here. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1096.69 1099.08 This is the remote control. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1099.08 1100.52 And then you have something like 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1108.72 1111.03 It's like a gun. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1104.26 1108.72 So, it's easier to get it like this. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1102.8 1104.26 th this under it. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1105.47 1105.78 Mm. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1107 1107.84 Yeah. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1108.23 1108.64 Yeah. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1109.7 1112.56 A g Mm. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1110.9 1112.1 So, it has to be soft? 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1112.54 1113.61 And it has to be soft, yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1113.95 1114.4 Okay. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1122.47 1123.07 And here. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1120.09 1122.47 Buttons on top of it. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1115.52 1120.09 So, you can squeeze in it and Sorry? 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1115.88 1117.19 And uh, the buttons? 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1119.16 1119.73 Buttons. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1124.21 1125.6 The scrolling. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1125.6 1126.79 You can do it with your thumb. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1127.42 1134.08 No, it won't. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1128.98 1133.03 But but i that's the only scroll uh button on it then? 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1136.2 1140.44 One till uh uh zero till nine. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1140.44 1140.96 And the b 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1133.23 1136.2 But now we use one scroll button and the other one is here. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1139.96 1142.89 But, well there one for the sound and one for the channels. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1139.96 1140.28 Yeah, okay. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1140.28 1141.22 But but how 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1140.4 1140.73 Yeah. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1142.63 1143.45 Yeah. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1143.45 1143.83 How 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1143.39 1144.93 Yeah? 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1144.93 1146.06 Or two buttons. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1146.13 1146.57 Okay. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1146.52 1148.3 And i if we go to uh 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1146.72 1148.71 Uh, two scroll uh wheels. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1148.33 1153.2 If uh 'Kay c If we do If we use one, then we'll have just a switch on it,
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1153.2 1157.09 and you'll just switch it, and now it's the sound to switch back 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1155.66 1156.05 Mm. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1156.52 1157.77 That's th that's more difficult. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1158.33 1160.43 But if we have uh a me Yeah. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1160.43 1163.75 If we have a menu, uh how do we uh choose other options? 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1158.83 1159.91 It's better in 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1169.26 1176.16 Just not like all the other ones, with uh this thing, and uh here an arrow, here an arrow, here an arrow, here an arrow. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1176.16 1180.08 Because uh, from h hundred uh remote controls, ninety nine have it. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1166.38 1169.26 And then you also can scroll uh scroll in it. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1164.93 1166.38 with the menu uh button. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1169.99 1170.19 Yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1180.58 1183.05 But if we don't have a L. C. D. we don't have a menu. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1180.6 1180.81 Yeah. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1185.16 1187.31 Uh, then we have it on the T. V., the menu. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1185.41 1185.65 Uh-uh. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1188.09 1194.91 Yeah, but again maybe th How do we know the T. V. can handle it? 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1196.44 1197.54 So, there's no menu. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1194.91 1196.44 You don't know. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1196.72 1197.36 I don't know. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1198.88 1202.8 It's like some sort of uh teletext option, but we don't have teletext. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1202.95 1203.97 No. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1203.97 1204.88 So you can't use it. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1206.69 1212.45 And if we put an L. C. D. thing on it, then the costs will uh be much higher. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1214.59 1215.68 One with L. C. D. . 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1215.68 1216.91 One without L. C. D. . 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1213.05 1214.59 Okay, we make two concepts. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1217.4 1217.6 'Kay. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1219.33 1222.1 But you all like this kind of thing. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1222.1 1222.77 Uh 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1223.38 1224.75 Good concept. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1224.75 1225.15 But 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1226.91 1227.9 With the scroll button. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1231.66 1237.08 And this has to be harder, because when it falls, it mu mu must not burst. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1227.9 1231.66 And and this one has to be soft. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1237.08 1239.66 Or some kind of rubber around it. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1227.51 1228.15 That's one. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1229.39 1229.56 Uh-uh. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1240.6 1240.9 Mm-hmm. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1246.16 1246.56 It's one. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1248.67 1249.17 Number two. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1247.79 1248.67 Two. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1253.24 1253.95 Like uh 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1249.27 1253.24 And you can and you can uh make the the power button as a trigger. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1256.05 1256.33 Here. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1254.79 1256.05 Ah that's nice. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1253.07 1254.2 Yeah. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1254.2 1254.79 Yeah. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1256.33 1263.23 Trigger. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1258.83 1259.83 No. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1259.83 1262.34 But when you handle it, you put it on and off. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1259.8 1261.47 Just to uh 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1263.46 1265.48 It's not good to use. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1266.83 1271.41 Yeah, but I'll zap. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1271.92 1273.01 Out. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1271.41 1271.92 Fuck. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1266.9 1268.92 Oh, like a 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1270.94 1272.78 Yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1279.75 1281.84 One with L. C. D., one without L. C. D. . 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1277.76 1279.75 Now, second concept. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1274.66 1277.76 No, it's not good. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1277.14 1277.43 Yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1283.52 1284.08 Then uh 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1286.4 1287.88 Paint it. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1287.45 1288.6 Paint it? 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1288.6 1290.83 With the scroll thing on, like this? 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1290.17 1294.07 One with two scroll buttons and one with without. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1294.07 1294.3 Yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1299.09 1301.86 And the one with with a menu has an L. C. D. . 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1295.78 1299.09 Uh, one with a with a menu, and one without a menu. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1296.07 1296.41 So? 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1300.89 1305.74 Draw it. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1306.02 1309.56 Do I have to do everything. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1309.56 1311.72 Blank. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1311.72 1316.88 You have 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1302.78 1306.02 Unbelievable. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1381.94 1382.76 Not so difficult. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1383.44 1385.22 Yeah. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1384.99 1387.23 But if you put push the the menu button 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1388.08 1389.74 Uh, that's the menu. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1389.74 1391.03 There for the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1389.33 1390.4 Yeah, wh what 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1391.54 1395.76 Yes, but you don't know which of the scroll buttons you have to choose. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1396.74 1397.42 You have to 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1398.45 1398.95 For the menu. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1399.09 1399.44 Yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1402.26 1404.2 Mm-hmm. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1404.2 1405 One 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1407.98 1408.65 that way. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1408.65 1409.54 And one 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1411.38 1411.83 that way. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1415.22 1415.55 So 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1421.32 1422.85 S On and off. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1418.48 1421.32 Then it depends on the cost. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1423.92 1425.67 But is it easy to use? 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1425.67 1427.74 When you have it on your left side, and 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1430.07 1431.46 Just like a a phone. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1428.11 1430.07 When it's not too big. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1432.96 1433.27 Mm-hmm. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1435.14 1440.89 M uh yeah, maybe it's better if the uh scroll-wheels are um more separate, yeah. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1440.89 1443.21 Like, you have the menu button in between uh 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1438.82 1440.51 Separate, more separate, h yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1440.87 1441.38 Yes, okay. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1443.58 1446.74 On the left a scroll button, and on the right a scroll button. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1443.16 1443.58 Yeah. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1455.7 1459.56 If it's like you have a big uh 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1453.81 1455.7 But would it be easy to use then? 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1493.78 1494.36 Very good. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1497.51 1498.24 Is it better? 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1500.28 1504.17 When you uh the menu, you have to go there there there there. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1510.33 1515.01 They were like round curves, uh different uh 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1506.93 1510.33 I also think this concept is not what the young people were looking for. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1507.55 1507.84 Yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1516.93 1518.84 But now the First the buttons. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1515.2 1516.93 That's that's the outside. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1514.48 1515.2 Yeah, okay. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1516.46 1517.6 Okay, okay, okay. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1519.03 1519.34 Mm-hmm. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1525.51 1528.8 Think we have we have now two buttons missing. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1528.8 1529.9 The uh um 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1531.43 1532.19 The mute button. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1533.59 1533.88 Sorry? 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1535.98 1540.2 And um, the to to uh have to uh numbers 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1534.21 1535.15 We have two buttons missing. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1535.15 1535.98 The mute button. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1542.22 1543.12 Mute. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1543.12 1543.65 And the other. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1549.02 1549.74 But, uh 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1545.16 1549.02 Okay. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1547.5 1548.6 Not so difficult. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1546.46 1547.5 Yeah. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1552.16 1556.29 Personally, I think two scroll buttons uh aren't easy to handle. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1558.38 1559.91 But how do you wanna solve it? 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1560.7 1561.59 With the switch button. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1563.84 1565.58 Yeah but on the menu that's not uh easy. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1566.72 1570.27 Then you go down, you switch, you go into the right, you switch, you go down. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1566.72 1567.55 No like uh 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1571.02 1572.58 Oh, you mean like that. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1572.58 1575.52 Uh, then you can also have like uh th um 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1572.37 1572.6 Yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1576.15 1576.81 A joystick. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1577.07 1578.35 Yeah, and joystick, I think. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1580.32 1581.29 But is it uh 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1579.42 1580.32 Yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1585.39 1587.04 Or a small one just like in a laptop. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1582.71 1585.39 Does that break, a joystick? 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1590.06 1593.32 A little bit bigger, with easier thi 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1587.66 1590.06 Yeah like in a laptop, s uh s some sort of thing. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1592.58 1593.59 Mean, it's better. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1593.59 1596.8 But how expensive it is? 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1597.9 1599.04 I don't know. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1600.91 1603.54 Why do I pay you for? 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1599.12 1600.91 Oh. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1604.9 1609.56 Um, well um 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1612.24 1615.66 Better ideas. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1619.23 1619.56 Okay. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1627.63 1628.08 It won't work. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1620.1 1622.15 Or no scroll uh things. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1624.9 1627.63 And No, no. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1622.15 1624.9 Just a shape. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1627.4 1630.25 For the young peoples I think scroll button's good. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1630.36 1630.82 Uh-huh. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1629.41 1630.36 Yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1634.91 1635.42 So 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1636.44 1637.6 Think we have to keep them. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1641.89 1643.91 Or a remote control more like joystick. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1645.49 1649.19 Yeah, but is it That's not expensive than uh Joystick is better. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1650.39 1650.97 A small one. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1651.53 1654.1 A small one like this, like a Nintendo uh k 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1654.58 1655.9 No just like in a 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1656.18 1657.08 Playstation thing. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1657.32 1658.66 a laptop. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1658.66 1659.64 Small, round. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1662.12 1662.54 Then it's 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1664.55 1665.25 not so big. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1669.91 1671.15 Just like a Playstation thing. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1665.78 1666.27 No, no, no. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1666.27 1669.91 I mean the the shape of the remote control. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1668.53 1674.13 Oh the sh Yeah, but then you can You have to use t with one hand. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1674.45 1674.73 Yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1678.79 1679.22 So 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1680.87 1687.01 Maybe, if it's possible, it's not too expensive, I think a joystick is better. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1687.01 1687.57 A small one. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1688.72 1692.7 So, please look at it. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1692.73 1693.87 No, that's okay, I got 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1712.27 1715.86 And on the L. C. D., how much it costs? 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1715.86 1717.25 Uh, it costs extra? 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1719.5 1721.73 Uh they're not uh 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1724.15 1725.08 in details. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1725.08 1729.59 It's more expensive or less expensive, huh? 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1727.11 1728.65 Yeah we I think you get it. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1734.7 1739.91 So, after this meeting you have half an hour to uh fix it. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1740.33 1743.6 Then I have to come with it. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1744.51 1744.85 Yes. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1744.79 1745.89 I got my personal costs. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1745.89 1747.61 I I don't I don't know the costs. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1751.3 1752 Not mine. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1749 1751.3 Your problem. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1755.63 1757.14 Then I'll uh make something up. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1757.79 1759.06 Okay. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1759.06 1761.86 So, do we have other concepts? 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1765.4 1767.08 Then for the components, 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1768.61 1769.95 we use a normal battery. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1772.71 1774.34 Mm, yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1772.72 1773.29 Then it's 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1774.14 1775.29 Ch cheapest way, I think. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1777.5 1780.41 Yeah, I think it's uh, yeah, more expensive. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1774.64 1777.5 Yeah, or the or the kinetic uh with normal battery. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1780.41 1780.65 Yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1777.96 1780.76 Kinetic is uh ch makes it more expensive. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1777.08 1777.96 No, no kinetic. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1780.76 1782.44 So we use a normal battery. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1780.82 1780.99 Yeah. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1783.03 1783.49 Yeah. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1783.19 1783.51 Okay. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1783.24 1783.56 Yes. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1796.17 1797.67 Depends on the L. C. D. . 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1795.09 1796.17 Chip. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1797.92 1799.21 Depends on the scroll. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1800.29 1801.01 Scroll. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1804.6 1807.81 If we don't use a scroll, then we can use the simple chip. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1800.88 1804.6 If we use a scroll, then we have the uh regular chip. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1807.81 1808.75 And that's 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1808.53 1810.81 And uh, we If you use the L. C. D., we have to 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1807.91 1808.53 Yeah. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1812.79 1813.02 Yeah. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1810.82 1812.79 Uh the most expensive. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1817.2 1817.74 Okay. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1812.5 1813.76 Yes, okay. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1813.76 1817.2 So, depends on the L. C. D. and the scroll. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1815.67 1817.26 If we Yeah. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1817.26 1818.83 If we No okay scroll-wheel. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1819.79 1825.62 So, it will be uh the advanced chip, or the uh regu uh or the regular chip. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1818.83 1819.79 So, I have this. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1826.84 1828.39 Okay. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1828.39 1831.52 So, uh the shapes of the 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1833.52 1834.2 design 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1836.25 1838.87 depends on the L. C. D. and But, 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1840.23 1840.98 it has to be small. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1843.25 1843.7 I think. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1844.17 1847.23 Or shall we just put it on the pistol thing? 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1847.23 1849.25 And then just put also on L. C. D. on it? 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1849.93 1852.85 If you have pistol, it L. C. D. 's not easy. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1854.86 1858.08 Y y Yeah but 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1855.38 1856.21 Just use your thumb. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1859.77 1860.96 If you use a phone. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1860.51 1862.03 If you Yeah. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1862.03 1862.88 I use my thumb. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1861.99 1865.21 k Yeah, but but then you have it. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1868.03 1869.02 And the screen is 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1865.21 1868.03 Like, th if you have pistol, you have it so. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1867.94 1868.21 Yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1869.82 1873.65 Well, then you have to keep it this way to look at the screen. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1869.89 1871.26 If you have a joystick on 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1873.86 1879.91 No, if you have like uh an uh uh a ni a uh Playstation uh game controller. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1881.91 1885.41 Then you have uh just, yeah, a little bit curved. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1879.91 1881.91 And you move up, f forward, down, left. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1885.41 1888.11 It's not just uh straight. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1879.28 1879.58 Yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1887.53 1888.05 No. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1888.05 1888.61 No, no. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1891.23 1893.7 That's why they make joysticks like that, I think. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1890.03 1891.23 That's how we use it. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1890.9 1891.29 Uh 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1897.01 1897.79 And then you can y 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1895.33 1897.01 Yeah, but then you look forward. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1895.63 1896.54 Uh, yeah, but 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1897.57 1897.69 Yeah. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1899.46 1899.7 Yeah? 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1900.78 1903.42 N well, if you have to look at it. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1901.93 1902.28 If you 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1905.11 1905.37 'Kay. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1905.37 1906.19 Here's our designer. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1907.73 1912.45 If we have uh then something standing here, with the L. C. D. . 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1914.71 1914.93 Yeah. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1916.66 1918.34 Then it goes like this. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1922.17 1922.73 Yeah, why not. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1922.98 1925.24 If th n well 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1926.39 1928.24 It's for the younger people. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1928.24 1929.76 It's something new. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1927.69 1930.1 Yes, of course. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1930.99 1933.52 But the um, it may not break. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1930.1 1930.99 That's good good. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1930.05 1931.1 It's uh 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1935.37 1937.8 Now we put uh rubber around it. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1938.14 1939.31 Okay. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1939.31 1940.32 If that's possible. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1939.95 1941.1 Um, Yeah. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1940.56 1945.19 Hard plastic, uh the shape, and around it hard uh around it rubber. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1945.19 1947.65 And the uh the hand shape is also rubber. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1949.02 1949.43 Okay. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1950.06 1951.27 I can't see the. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1950.12 1951.19 Or you can uh 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1952.44 1953.39 turn it inside. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1954.25 1959.8 But, uh the easy of uh, th the ease of use wasn't uh the most important uh aspect of it. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1954.97 1955.69 But that's 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1961.34 1961.54 Huh. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 1961.88 1962.75 No, that's true. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1963.56 1965.21 Uh, for us it's about to sell it. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1965.21 1965.39 Uh 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1966.24 1968.19 Yeah of course. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1968.19 1968.59 Okay. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1966.89 1967.76 This is something new. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1978.68 1984.25 So, um we have one minute. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1970.76 1973.57 Then this is the design. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1973.57 1976.01 And the buttons are on the next page. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1976.01 1978.68 So, depends on the cost. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1979.78 1983.22 Costs are okay. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1985.33 1985.55 One. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1986.32 1986.85 I think. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1986.85 1987.81 No. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1988.13 1988.71 Seven. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1987.81 1988.13 More. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1986.9 1988.22 You have more. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1986.53 1986.9 No. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 1988.22 1989.03 You have still ten. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1992.78 1993.84 Thirty minutes. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1991.31 1992.78 Next meeting. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1993.84 1995.22 So hurry up. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 1997.46 1998.74 Oh, that's us together. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 1998.88 2001.92 You two stay here. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 2001.92 2002.48 Paint it. 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 2003.05 2003.44 Okay. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 2003.8 2004.42 Now you have to. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 2005.59 2006.24 So 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 2012.53 2013.14 So 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 2010.63 2012.53 Check your mail. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 2008.68 2010.63 I think it's clear. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 2013.81 2014.04 Yeah. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 2014.41 2014.82 Yes. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 2019.81 2021.53 So 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 2014.93 2019.81 It has to be ready in the next meeting. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 2019.87 2020.02 What? 
TS3010c H01 MTD039UID 2020.32 2020.73 Cookie. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 2021.5 2021.86 Okay. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 2024.87 2029.4 Next meeting is called the detailed design. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 2029.4 2029.98 So 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 2031.59 2033.27 Everyth everything has to be ready. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 2036.39 2036.69 Okay. 
TS3010c H00 MTD037PM 2036.86 2039.19 Thanks for your attention. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 2038.37 2038.7 'Kay. 
TS3010c H03 MTD040ME 2048.96 2050.41 See you at the next meeting. 
TS3010c H02 MTD038ID 2050.79 2051.51 Bye bye. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 14.89 18.59 Can you uh push the button? 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 8.64 10.46 Okay. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 21.36 22.25 So 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 18.59 21.36 One time please. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 10.46 14.89 So, now um, last time. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 24.43 25.81 I'm still the secretary. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 27.37 31.62 Now uh, I ask you to presentate the prototype. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 31.62 33.29 One of your you two. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 35.15 36.28 I don't care. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 36.68 37.75 Oh this, you mean? 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 37.38 37.75 Huh? 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 38.21 39.01 The prototype. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 37.53 38.21 Yes. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 39.02 39.86 Yes, well uh 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 41.2 41.73 this is it. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 42.59 43.94 This is it. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 43.64 44.34 Well, thank you. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 44.34 45.17 Uh, now 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 44.4 46.91 It's uh it's uh it's yellow. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 46.91 49.33 And uh, this is rubber. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 50.57 51.94 And and and this too. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 53.37 53.94 The 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 57.1 58.35 And the rest is hard plastic. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 55.46 57.1 the sides. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 56.54 56.82 Yes. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 60.39 61.35 And uh 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 71.83 74.08 And then it covers the these buttons 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 62.43 71.83 We uh we had some uh We had a new idea that that this can uh can be uh uh turned inside. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 74.67 75.15 Okay. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 76.61 80.95 And then you can still use the the power button and the mute and the the joystick. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 75.44 76.61 until here or something. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 75.45 75.78 Yes. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 81.54 81.96 Mm-hmm. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 82.01 84.13 So, you can still operate uh all the things. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 84.13 85.87 Because you don't always use the menu. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 87.96 88.9 And then it can break. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 92.04 92.8 And the buttons? 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 90.54 92.04 Okay. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 94.58 95.81 Uh, well uh 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 96.1 96.75 Big. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 98.17 101.3 And everything is blue, except the power button. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 97.37 98.17 Big buttons. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 107.22 107.57 Yeah. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 101.3 102.85 And the mute. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 102.85 107.22 Of uh yeah, and the mute and the the other button. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 108.97 110.58 Channel higher channel button. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 110.39 110.69 Yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 111.93 115.86 And the joystick is for the volume and the channels. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 116.67 117.9 Yes, that's uh 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 115.85 116.67 Uh, yes. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 116.14 116.43 Yes. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 119.66 120.55 Very obvious. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 121.37 122.56 Down is channel down. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 123.91 125.31 To the left is volume down. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 120.05 121.37 Up is channel up. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 122.56 123.91 To the right is volume up. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 125.82 126.17 Yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 126.93 129.66 Okay, so if joystick and L. C. D. . 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 131.26 133.72 What's the R. R. d 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 135.71 136.55 The R. R. ? 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 136.13 139.59 R. R. 's the l the the the the company uh logo. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 140.15 140.66 Very good. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 138.61 140.15 Okay. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 141.8 143.13 So, we have 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 142.18 144.02 That's on the rub rubber part. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 146.19 146.86 Yes. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 146.86 147.8 That's about here. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 145.19 146.19 Uh, yes. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 154.12 155.19 Yes. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 148.37 154.12 So, what they say on the side is put fashion there. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 156.93 160.82 So, that's it. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 155.19 156.93 It's good. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 162.72 165.78 Now, the finance. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 160.82 162.72 That's prototype. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 156.05 156.24 Oh. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 157.3 157.51 Yeah? 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 172.68 174.5 We have Sorry? 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 170.05 172.68 So, I'm gonna look. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 167.02 170.05 We don't know if it's th it if it's okay. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 168.18 169.25 Alright. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 172.06 173.55 Do we Do we change the 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 177.64 181.03 Or are we going to uh ev evaluate it first? 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 174.7 177.64 Do we change the the order? 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 178.65 180.67 Finance is um Yeah it's 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 181.3 182.64 No, first uh 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 185.27 185.81 Yes. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 188.3 188.68 Sorry. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 185.81 188.3 We have to evaluate the product yet. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 188.9 196.04 That's uh um That can be none. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 187.24 188.9 Okay. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 204.75 207.61 Um, we gonna do the evaluation now, together. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 211.51 212.87 So, it will come up. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 207.61 211.51 But I have uh a introduction how it works. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 217.43 219.95 Uh-oh. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 219.95 220.28 Okay. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 229.64 237.32 uh based on um our marketing strategy, on uh the latest trends, on user preferences. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 221.67 222.63 Um, yeah. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 222.63 229.64 Well, we uh uh, I have um thinked a few evaluation uh criterias,
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 249.59 251.48 We can uh Well, it look like this. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 255.5 260.08 So, you hope found out how to do it with a Word document. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 244.79 249.59 And on base of each c uh criteria, we need to um give a rating. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 243.21 244.79 To false, seven? 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 239.03 243.21 Uh, we have a seven point scale from uh true, as well. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 251.48 255.5 But we gonna uh do it here, they said. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 267.26 267.5 Yeah. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 277.52 279 Okay, yeah. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 279 281.63 Yeah. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 281.63 285.12 Um, well uh we have the Word document 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 287.88 288.27 Criteria. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 294.36 295.14 Um 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 289.01 294.36 You So we open up that blank here. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 304.58 306.67 But um, if I can 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 303.35 304.58 So, this not very important. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 299.29 303.35 Think I can Uh, what this just an example. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 308.45 309.55 get a number in here. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 314.44 314.66 Hmm. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 315.74 316.79 No, it's okay. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 316.3 318.12 Well, uh we can't do that. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 317.75 318.57 I'll get it. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 318.66 319.27 Oh, it's okay. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 319.42 329.39 Um, so uh you have to think of it as uh the remote control is techno technologically innovative. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 330.63 333.26 Uh, and then we have to uh agree on the rating together. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 334.6 336.98 And in the end, we will c uh count an average 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 339.03 340.92 The first uh on each item. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 338.34 339.03 of all rating. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 343.66 344.36 What do you think? 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 353.52 354.65 Only the L. C. D. . 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 345.51 353.52 Yeah, I think it's uh Uh, well technologically using, it's not uh it doesn't contain many new features. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 363.03 363.23 Hmm. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 356.1 363.03 So, it Um, I think I will give it a yeah, yeah, yeah, a four. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 365.11 369.14 I think the scroll-button is something also uh new. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 376.13 380.06 I think technologically I'll give it an 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 370.41 376.13 What uh not anoth uh, not a lot of uh a lot of uh remote controls have. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 383.77 384.69 Sorry, six. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 382.76 383.77 Si six six. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 382.06 382.76 seven. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 383.72 384.73 Yeah. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 389.31 391.21 And you true or false. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 383.87 389.31 So now i I think you uh see it um its statement. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 391.21 391.93 And true is one. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 390.85 393.93 Oh, uh I'll I'll give it uh a t a two. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 389.76 390.85 Oh, true or false. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 393.93 394.29 Sorry. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 392.37 393.71 So, yeah. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 393.71 394.09 Yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 393.93 394.21 Two. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 395.58 395.81 You? 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 396.44 396.76 Three. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 399.13 399.88 So it's a three. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 398.63 399.13 Me too. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 402.51 403.92 Um, well 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 401.1 402.51 'Kay. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 408.78 410.3 It's a one. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 410.3 411.1 The first item. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 412.52 414.11 So, okay the second item. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 414.11 417.36 Um, this product is for all sorts of customers. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 419.21 419.92 Mm 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 422.66 430 because we uh really aim uh at at young market and I think the way it looked uh c uh totally in yellow 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 430 432.36 it's not uh really aimed for all customers. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 419.86 422.66 Well, it's a statement which uh I disagree with 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 432.36 433.38 It doesn't look like that. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 434.76 435.9 So it's a 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 436.2 437.16 That's uh a six. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 438.4 438.86 Five. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 441.65 442.35 Mm, four. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 443.7 444.8 Yes, it's for the 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 446 447.91 younger g group. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 447.91 449.88 So it's uh half half of the people. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 447.85 448.86 Yeah, but it's it's 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 451.27 453.37 So I think it's four. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 454.34 458.34 I mean it still has l large buttons and not m many buttons. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 453.39 454.34 Yeah. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 458.34 460.78 So I mean, the colours are for young people, but 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 458.4 458.99 Mm-hmm. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 458.6 458.93 No. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 461.63 462.98 So, I think it's four. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 461.18 461.63 Yes. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 462.28 462.78 older 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 464.25 464.48 Yeah. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 464.38 470.42 Maybe version uh three point O. uh has other colours. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 467.6 469.77 Yeah. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 469.77 470.43 Maybe. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 470.49 470.98 Okay. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 470.98 472.61 Give it a four. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 472.61 472.94 Yep. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 471.94 472.4 Four. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 475.77 476.12 Mm. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 472.44 473.31 Four. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 473.31 475.77 Uh, okay. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 479.7 481.5 We put the fashion in electronics. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 481.67 483.67 That's uh the motto of our company. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 485.17 487.4 Yeah, well do we do this with uh this product? 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 503.09 504.47 Um, so I would give it a two. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 493.67 495.06 I um Yeah. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 495.06 503.09 I think if we do this, as it's uh uh c uh it's really orientates on the design. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 507.35 510.76 Me too a two, because only the battery is not uh 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 512.28 515.17 techin uh technologically high standard. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 515.17 517.1 But the rest of it is. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 517.1 517.96 So, I think a two. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 520.95 521.15 Yes. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 521.15 521.4 Two. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 522.46 522.94 Two. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 522.87 525.46 Uh, I say uh a five. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 525.46 526.58 It's not fashion, it's new. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 528.54 529.84 It must be a fashion. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 533.82 536.63 It w If it's not a fashion 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 533.2 533.82 Yes. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 531.04 533.2 But it isn't. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 531.13 533.12 It it will be fashion. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 539.75 543.17 So, it must be a fashion. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 538.04 539.75 we can put it in it. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 543.17 544.23 I think it's a five. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 549.94 550.92 Uh Okay. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 552.19 553.36 Then make it th three. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 552.66 553.52 Okay. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 555.54 556.15 Yeah, agree? 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 553.52 555.54 Yes, I'll think of that too. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 555.27 556.4 Oh. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 554.44 555.27 No. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 556.4 559.32 I use my feet though. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 555.04 555.53 'Kay. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 555.53 556.29 Three is okay. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 557.79 561.22 Oh, we'll wait outside. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 561.33 564.34 A three. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 565.54 565.99 Okay. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 566.29 567.03 Yeah okay. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 576 581.91 Well personally, I do not prefer a um remote control that's fully in yellow. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 570.03 576 The next element um is the product looks good. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 581.91 583.04 So, I would give this a five. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 585.33 588.58 I give it a one. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 592.21 593.13 Yes, a one. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 593.13 593.76 I like it. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 596.52 598.91 Well, I say three. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 598.91 603.55 So, counting then is two and a half. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 608.04 608.29 Okay. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 607.23 608.04 Two. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 603.69 607.23 We have to do our uh Two or three? 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 606.91 607.46 Two. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 605.24 606.91 Say two. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 606.48 607.19 Okay, two. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 616.73 618.41 Uh, yep. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 612.33 616.73 So, well we gonna do the next part. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 630.62 632.39 And in the end we calculate an average. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 623.72 630.62 Um, yeah, I I have uh said is not because uh a low number is better. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 621.45 623.72 It has not too much buttons. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 619.87 621.45 Uh uh, the next statement. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 633.53 637.3 So, um that's why it's a negative in it. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 639.38 643.02 Um, well this one of our aims not have too much buttons. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 643.02 646.36 So, um uh did we uh do that? 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 646.36 654.91 Well, uh if we go to uh this fashion, I We still have caused uh a lot of uh buttons for the numbers. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 657.08 661.66 And um that way, you don't have a lot of buttons over. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 655.77 657.08 But you can you can go for that. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 661.66 662.95 So, I would give this a two. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 663.99 664.32 One. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 667.07 667.86 You? 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 669.1 669.8 One. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 670.02 670.55 Me too. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 670.55 670.86 One. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 671.24 671.75 One. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 674.46 678.58 Um, but where where is the? 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 681.27 682.4 Next, six. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 685.73 687.76 It does not get lost easily. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 685.84 686.22 So 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 690.43 692.43 Yeah, did we implement uh the sound? 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 695.31 701.57 Uh Just a small thing. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 697.74 698.57 Yes. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 701.82 704.19 No, we did not. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 708.98 709.89 I don't think so. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 704.19 708.98 So, but can it get lost if it's such a thing? 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 703.89 704.79 Yeah, but uh 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 707.54 707.97 Yeah. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 710.63 712.03 Looks like a pistol. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 709.81 710.63 Yellow. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 712.03 712.45 Uh 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 708.44 709.81 Ah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 711.14 711.88 Yes. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 711.88 714.3 Not a not a normal shapes. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 714.3 714.75 So 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 714.74 718.03 It won't get between uh the pillows uh on the couch. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 716.44 716.71 No. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 717.57 719.28 It won't get lost. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 719.28 719.67 So 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 717.69 718.01 Yeah. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 719.55 719.94 Uh 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 719.85 720.34 It won't. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 721.22 722.22 A one? 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 723.96 725.18 Yeah, o one. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 724.12 724.49 Yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 726.39 726.73 Next. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 724.65 726.39 Okay, a one. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 725.67 725.96 One. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 733.61 736.39 Uh yeah, did we achieve that. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 736.39 741.39 I think with the way it looks and um it is designed, I will give it a two. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 729.38 733.61 Okay, um well we aimed for the younger market. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 742.44 743.31 Yeah me 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 744.93 745.66 Me too. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 744.42 744.93 Yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 748.16 748.33 Two. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 745.4 748.16 That was our target. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 750.35 750.88 Two. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 751.22 751.55 Yeah. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 750.88 751.22 Yeah? 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 750.76 751.02 Yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 750.98 752.46 Yep. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 752.46 752.99 Right. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 754.06 755.59 There's a fancy look-and-feel. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 756.93 757.89 Uh, yes. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 757.89 762.47 That that was uh, yeah, one of the most important things that uh Trendwatch said. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 762.47 765.85 I didn't uh say it in my presentation. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 765.85 767.89 But um, well does it have that? 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 770.56 771.78 I would say yes. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 771.78 772.98 So um 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 774.41 776.31 Well, let's also give this a two. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 776.31 776.37 T 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 784.48 785.22 It's Yeah. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 780.02 781.62 It feels soft. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 777.61 780.02 I gave this a one because of the rubber. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 781.62 784.48 Uh, it looks like a l uh uh b uh, a bit like a joystick. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 785.22 787.3 Yeah, f very fancy trendy. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 788.99 789.37 Okay. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 790.24 790.79 Yes, a one. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 791.53 792.2 I say a two. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 794.28 796.77 It's a a bit personal. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 798.05 799.55 So I think s two is better. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 796.77 798.05 If it's fancy. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 796.59 796.74 Yeah. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 799.62 800.12 Yeah, okay. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 800.54 801.17 Okay. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 801.17 802.86 Two. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 802.86 809.03 And um, then the last one I could think of, uh it goes with the latest trends. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 800.94 803.06 Two is okay. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 813.12 815.34 No, it's new. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 815.34 816.12 Innovation. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 824.61 831.23 well it has a um a nice colour, uh well compared to food but we didn't uh 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 817.92 824.61 If we looked at the latest trends for the uh younger people, and they ate uh fruit and vegetables,
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 836.19 838.38 So, I would did not give this uh a one or two. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 832.47 836.19 We did not paint any uh fruit and vegetable on it for something like that. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 838.38 840.65 I We'll go for a three. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 835.82 836.38 Oh. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 854.42 855.07 Uh 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 843.03 848.92 I go for two because uh the the shapes are still round. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 848.92 854.42 Uh, the latest trends are soft things, you know, like uh I said in my presentation. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 854.23 854.48 Yes. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 864.3 865.92 It's also a trend, so I'll give it a two. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 861.73 864.3 Something what also younger people want. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 856.12 861.73 But the the colours are um basic, like yellow, red, um blue. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 867.52 867.97 Okay. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 869.85 871.05 Mm, three. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 872.74 873.03 Three. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 872.1 872.74 Me too. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 874.81 875.24 A three. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 875.35 875.77 Yeah. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 890.75 892.17 So, we will do that. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 892.17 892.48 Yes. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 886.51 890.75 So, we find yourself there, and now we have to calculate an average rating. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 879.97 886.51 So um, come back to the presentation now. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 879.39 879.97 Okay. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 890.91 893.16 Effort is three, ten and twelve. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 897.2 900.94 So, it's uh two and three nine two and one third. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 895.66 897.2 Twenty one. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 893.16 895.66 Thirty, forty, fifty,. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 897.62 898.26 By nine. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 902.66 902.99 Two. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 905.92 908.48 Um, uh okay. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 903.27 905.92 Yeah. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 911.98 912.39 Two. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 916.3 916.64 Yep. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 916.59 918.61 Come on. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 917.87 918.48 Uh, nah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 921.54 922.19 Okay. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 924.71 926.86 So uh, that's a pretty low rating, I think. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 927.82 929.25 Yes. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 929.58 930.3 So, it's good. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 930.59 936.84 So, according to our uh own evaluation uh we did a good job. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 936.92 937.42 Thank you. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 936.29 936.92 Okay. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 937.29 938.21 Yeah, I think. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 941.7 942.42 Oh. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 943.27 944.4 How am I doing? 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 944.4 944.66 Yes. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 942.42 943.27 Nah. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 946.7 948.38 And I closed your slide-show. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 946.85 947.56 Okay. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 947.56 949.82 Back to my uh 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 951.61 952.79 Uh, dreaming. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 949.99 951.61 Which one was the last for you? 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 953.24 953.71 Yep. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 965.17 968.37 So, now uh we have a product. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 968.37 969.9 Very happy. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 962.51 965.17 Next please. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 969.9 972.51 But uh, is it cheap enough? 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 963.62 964.27 Next. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 965.68 966.45 Finance. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 974.98 979.06 Um, so if uh I'll have a look. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 981.75 982.48 One battery. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 979.06 981.75 We have a battery. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 983.8 984.12 Mm-hmm. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 984.49 985.25 Cheapest there is. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 987.53 988.67 Electronics. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 988.67 989.56 Advanced chip. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 985.72 987.53 Okay, one battery. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 990.52 991.29 Expensive. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 993.72 994.55 Chip-on-print. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 991.64 993.72 Yeah it's the most advanced. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 996.02 996.79 We have that one. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 998.92 1000.35 Well, it's the most advanced. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 999.74 1001.54 We have the simple, regular and advanced. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1002.22 1002.87 Advanced. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1005.08 1006.53 'Kay, so uncurved or flat. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1002.98 1005.08 We have the adva advanced. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1007.12 1008.84 Single curved or double curved? 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1008.84 1009.99 We have double curved. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1006.53 1007.12 Nope. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1018.62 1018.97 So 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1021.81 1026.46 Then we have plastic, wood, rubber. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1026.46 1028.54 we have half rubber, half plastic. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 1029.58 1030.24 Mm, yes. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1032.78 1033.9 No titanium. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1033.9 1034.98 Special colour. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1037.6 1038.44 Yes, yellow. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1037.96 1038.18 Yeah. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1037.97 1038.9 Uh, yellow. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 1039.07 1039.42 Mm, yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1040.72 1042.81 Interface, push-button. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1044.61 1052.5 Scroll-wheel, integrated scroll-wheel push push-button, or L. C. D. display. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1052.5 1053.75 So, we have the L. C. D. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1058.08 1058.68 Or one? 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1055.41 1058.08 We have two scroll-wheels? 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1058.47 1058.78 One. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1059.07 1059.33 One. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1059.74 1061.36 And it's not really a s 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1060.8 1062.34 Joystick uh thing. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1071.86 1073.93 The buttons are regular colour. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1064.64 1066.97 Now, uh button supplement. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1066.97 1068.18 Special colour. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1062.31 1064.64 Yeah, it's this one. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1068.18 1071.86 We already Uh, that's the from the for the buttons. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 1074.51 1075.04 Mm, yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1077.99 1082.48 So, then uh then then then then then then 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1084.39 1085.39 Then 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1088.69 1091.83 We're not gonna make it. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1092.36 1093.29 It's too expensive. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1091.06 1092.36 Uh, no. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1093.84 1095.63 Wh 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1093.26 1093.84 Yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1102.08 1108.92 Yeah, well uh when we lose one scroll-wheel, it's okay. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1099.81 1102.08 Fifteen Euros. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1095.24 1099.81 So, we have to change something. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1113.32 1114.88 We can't lose the double curve. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1108.92 1110.99 'Cause we can't lose the battery. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1110.99 1113.32 We can't lose the advanced chip. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1096.64 1098.52 What what are the costs? 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1101.13 1101.9 Fifteen. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1116.56 1119.7 We have rubber, special colour. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1117.85 1119.57 We would have uh n 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1121.86 1124.74 Uh, I don't think it's a very special colour. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1121.09 1121.86 A special colour. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1122.15 1124.28 Oh, no, we No, it's uh 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1126.14 1126.56 Sorry? 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1126.76 1127.41 Yellow? 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1127.41 1128.43 Uh, is it a special colour? 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1129.29 1131.14 For a remote control. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1131.14 1133.83 I've For a remote control, I think it is. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1131.04 1132.13 What? 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1133.61 1134.88 Yeah. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1135.59 1139.94 If we would have uh uh normal buttons instead of uh the joystick. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1141.36 1142.45 For up down left right. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1141.58 1145.08 Um, then we uh lose 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1147.24 1148.77 Then we have thirteen Euros. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1148.77 1150.43 Half a Euro too much. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1146.52 1147.24 two Euros. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1154.65 1156.42 Exactly the special colours. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1161.73 1166.29 And what if we use only one sort of um 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1161.91 1162.65 So 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1168.58 1172.46 Um just only plastic or only rubber? 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1172.31 1174.45 That's one Euro. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1175.91 1176.9 One Euro discount. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1180 1181.64 So, I don't think that's good. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1183.82 1184.7 Mm 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1191.76 1193.52 I think we have to keep the L. C. D. . 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1196.01 1196.64 If 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1199.13 1206.94 If we change the joyst uh the joystick thing into a button up, button down, button right, button left. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1207.02 1207.28 Yes. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1209.09 1209.9 Then it's 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1212.33 1214.34 only thirteen Euros. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1215 1218.47 And then we'll lose fifty cent in what? 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1219.11 1220.06 So uh yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1223.86 1227.58 Then you have Or you have to cut this off. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1223.26 1223.86 Yeah. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1225.66 1227 Uh uh-uh. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1234.6 1236.13 So, wait. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1230.76 1234.6 Then it's not good anymore. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1236.13 1237.36 Okay. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1237.36 1238.6 I'll have a look. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1232.66 1233.36 No. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1241.17 1244.63 We 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1243.94 1252.16 And if you say it's just a r uh normal colour it's a normal colour, wh No one will see it. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1250.8 1251.55 Yellow rubber. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1252.79 1253.71 Yeah, normal. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1254.9 1261.89 Normal colour, and the the joystick away, and put the button up, button down, right, left. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1263.22 1264.75 Uh 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1264.04 1266.14 And it's twelve Euros, I think. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1267.63 1270.58 One minute, please. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1270.58 1277.31 Uh Is it maximum. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1277.31 1278.09 Um 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1286.55 1287.74 Yeah, it's normal colour. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1292.58 1293.83 But if you lose the 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1295.19 1298.33 joystick, it's still uh an advanced chip? 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1300.23 1300.9 No. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1300.9 1303.8 Uh, no, no, no. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1303.8 1304.9 Uh 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1301.53 1303.47 Or it's then a regular? 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1306.67 1307.97 Oh, wait wait wait. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1308.5 1310.77 The advanced chip was for the L. C. D. wasn't it? 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 1311.64 1312 Yeah. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1312.26 1312.71 Oh yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1313.52 1317.64 So, the advanced is for the L. C. D. and the regular for the joystick. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1314.1 1314.45 Oh yeah. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1317.61 1318.32 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1316.81 1317.61 Yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1321.23 1323.07 And what if we lose the L. C. D. ? 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1324.79 1331.43 If we lose the L. C. D., then we have an uh regular chip and no L. C. D. . 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1330.46 1330.81 But 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1328.71 1330.46 Yeah, regular chip. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1332.5 1333.87 Is it a good design? 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1336.51 1341.2 Then you'll have to m uh see the menu on the television. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1336.1 1336.51 Uh, yeah. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1341.2 1342.22 And you don't have 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1343.86 1344.52 the L. C. D. . 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1345.7 1346.32 If uh 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1346.3 1348.85 So, the T. V. s has to uh have to be up-to-date. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1349.11 1355.43 If we have the n no buttons If we have we have uh not a joystick but buttons, we would have uh, we have thirteen Euros? 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1355.66 1355.95 Yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1355.94 1356.39 Mm, yes. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1356.74 1358.87 And then uh we move the the colour. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1358.87 1360.73 What will that be? 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1359.5 1359.8 Yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1361.22 1362.11 Then it's okay. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1362.42 1362.76 Huh. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1362.76 1363.45 No knew that. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1363.66 1364.13 Yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1366.33 1369.21 Okay, so no joystick. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1369.21 1372.73 Oh no, but we then we get push-buttons from half a Euro. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1373.02 1374.96 Yeah, then it's twelve Euro fifty, then it's okay. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1380.34 1382.68 No joystick. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1391.54 1392.55 Then it's okay. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1382.68 1384.31 Push-buttons. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1377.03 1380.34 Uh, yes, yes, yes, yes. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1387.23 1391.54 Twelve and a half Euros. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1384.31 1387.23 No special colour. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1392.55 1395.76 So, we have to change that a little bit. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1402.1 1405.41 Because if you give them a s uh colour, 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1396.98 1402.1 And you cannot use the red and green button. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 1402.9 1403.84 All the same uh 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 1402.69 1402.9 Okay. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1406.6 1407.35 you have to pay 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1409.72 1411.13 point two Euros. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1418.28 1420.64 Make it uh 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1412.19 1415.27 So, all the buttons has to have to be the same colour. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1415.27 1418.28 But then the print on it will g um change it. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1414.91 1415.35 Yes. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1424.25 1425.84 Uh l How you call it? 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1422.03 1424.25 for everybody to see what button it is. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 1424.97 1425.46 Mm, yeah. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 1427.88 1428.67 Recognisable. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 1428.67 1430.25 Like what Yeah. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1428.55 1429.45 Recognisable, yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1429.58 1429.95 Yes. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 1432.56 1433.03 Mm, yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1440.5 1441.07 So 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1441.09 1441.43 Yeah? 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 1443.02 1443.37 Okay. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1444.42 1444.76 Okay. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1450.24 1454.44 So Well 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1458.93 1463.78 Now we have to change that, but that's okay. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1463.78 1465.23 Rubber. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1465.23 1466.31 What's the normal colour? 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1486.02 1487.1 Oh, well that's clear. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1505.43 1505.8 So 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1507.48 1508.33 And 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1518.69 1519.26 Where's? 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1522.19 1522.36 Yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1534.45 1537.07 So, now it's 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1536.6 1537.96 And the joystick away. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1539.49 1540.33 And its buttons. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1543.31 1544.6 But then it will be 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1541.63 1542.42 Yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1542.42 1543.31 It is. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1547.24 1549.27 just that ones. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1549.98 1550.37 Yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1560.57 1561.33 Now it's 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1579.55 1583.21 still, he waited at the 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1590.09 1590.54 Well 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1582.05 1585.82 Very good. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1585.82 1590.09 Now, uh project eva evaluation. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1584.31 1584.45 No. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1592.11 1594.53 What do you think of it? 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1594.53 1594.98 Uh 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1600.85 1601.93 About the 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1602.15 1602.9 Project. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1602.19 1603.27 About the project. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1603.64 1605.51 process. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1605.51 1606.24 Went good. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1607.88 1609.39 Uh 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1619.2 1622.14 We have a gun instead of a remote control. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1611.74 1619.2 I think uh the creativity uh was good enough. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1622.14 1623.15 Um 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1632.54 1634.4 So yeah that was clear. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1626.91 1632.54 Yeah, you were the project project manager, and uh had the final vote. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1626.21 1626.91 Uh leadership. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1637.01 1639.43 Everybody uh has something uh to say about it. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1635.94 1637.01 Team-work okay. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1641.99 1649.62 And uh no, uh o only the the drawing uh was very difficult. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1652.9 1654.37 New ideas found. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1651.33 1652.9 But, nah. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1656.89 1657.3 Nope. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1659.69 1659.98 And you. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1658.19 1659.69 Okay. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 1662.31 1667.28 I I espe I especially uh liked the the means, the the SMARTboard and uh 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 1661.21 1662.31 Yeah, well the same. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 1668.6 1669.5 Yeah, it uh 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 1672.05 1674.86 It brings up new ideas when you work with uh with it. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1677.69 1678.04 Okay. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 1678.63 1678.8 Yeah. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1680.84 1692.34 Yeah, I think you have to compare it to if you would have a normal um normal project without laptops uh and without these devices. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1692.34 1693.5 I think um 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1701.12 1706.6 Um, well uh the draw-board, well you can draw things. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1706.6 1708.81 But it not really going very convenient. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1694.94 1701.12 Well, the laptops if you have them out front of you, you sometimes looking at that instead of the presentation. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 1709.79 1710.11 Mm-hmm. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1711.6 1717.22 Uh, maybe it will be easier if you have a smaller monitor and uh you would also see there. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1717.22 1718.26 And with a normal mouse. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1720.13 1722.58 Um, and uh the project. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1726.53 1730.23 Uh, yeah but you always have that some people are talking more than others. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1722.58 1726.53 Yeah, I agree on what was said uh mainly. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1731.99 1740.08 And maybe is then um the task of the the project manager to also uh ask more to the people uh less talking. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1742.52 1743.52 To tell their opinion. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1745.61 1746.06 Okay. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1751.29 1754.09 Not too many discussions. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1747.39 1750.11 Well, what do I have to say. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1754.09 1756.58 So, it's good for the speed. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1750.11 1751.29 I think it was good. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1752.9 1753.67 No. 
TS3010d H01 MTD039UID 1755.18 1755.64 No. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1757.44 1757.77 Yep. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1761.14 1763.32 Good price. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1763.32 1764.67 Evaluation ready. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1758.69 1761.14 So, I think we're ready. 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1759.11 1759.29 Yeah. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1766.8 1767.14 Ready. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1767.96 1770.17 Beer. 
TS3010d H00 MTD037PM 1774.59 1775.31 That's it. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1777.09 1777.71 Okay then. 
TS3010d H02 MTD038ID 1775.96 1777.09 Yeah? 
TS3010d H03 MTD040ME 1776.52 1776.89 Okay. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 10.63 11.74 Good morning, Flores. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 10.76 12.19 G good morning. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 15.08 16.63 Marketing Expert. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 16.71 17.16 Oh yeah. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 23.03 23.45 Right. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 25.06 29.35 You should put the laptop uh right into the square. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 29.35 32.22 For i for the cameras, yes. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 32.22 33.25 Good morning, Sebastian. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 24.03 25.06 Are you ready? 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 29 29.61 For the cameras 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 30.76 31.16 Alright. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 39.25 43.25 How was your business trip to Boston? 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 37.4 39.25 How are you today? 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 33.64 37.4 Good morning, Mister P. M. . 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 37.34 38.95 I'm fine. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 44.94 49.76 So Do you want to open it as read-only. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 49.76 53.78 Um I guess I should close it here. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 40.95 44.94 Um well, actually I didn't go, didn't feel like it. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 42.51 44.4 Geez. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 54.63 57.1 You have the same message of uh Windows cannot um 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 59.14 60.33 sen oh stand-by. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 60.33 61.34 Close the the window. 
TS3011a H03 MTD044ME 60.31 61.53 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 67.45 71.14 Um project kick-off. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 61.89 67.45 Okay, the waiting is for our Marketing Expert, Ruud. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 62.45 62.83 So 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 65.9 66.15 Ruud. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 64.97 65.9 That's right. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 71.67 73.39 Is there a schedule for this meeting? 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 73.81 76.23 Yes, there is actually. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 76.23 80.53 Um I will li list the agenda for today. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 80.53 81.28 For this meeting. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 84.79 85.84 Good morning, Ruud. 
TS3011a H03 MTD044ME 87.05 89.69 Good morning. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 89.61 94.34 Uh it's important um yeah, great. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 94.34 102.77 It's important that the laptops are um exactly on the square, um for the cameras. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 91.56 92.32 I shall close the door. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 105.22 105.66 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 133.63 136.99 Um you are here in a specific role. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 148.29 149.78 Is that correct? 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 126.45 133.63 Um and um this is the first meeting to to generate some uh uh some ideas about it. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 163.32 170.86 Um then I will tell you a little bit about my idea of the project plan, uh and we will have a discussion. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 121.66 126.45 Um I'm sure you've had a mail from our account manager about it. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 136.99 148.29 Uh Ruud is here as the Marketing Expert, Roo is here as the User Interface Designer and Sebastian is here uh in the role of Industrial Designer. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 170.86 176.64 Uh this meeting should take no more than twenty five minutes, so we should keep that in mind. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 149.78 150.9 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 117.89 121.66 Um we're here to develop uh a new product. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 150.9 163.32 Um we're going to do um uh uh a little tool training uh for the tools we are going to use uh during uh the meetings we are going to have here. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 116.73 117.89 Okay. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 125.27 125.61 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 149.05 149.69 That's correct. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 149.44 149.75 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 175.46 175.83 Alright. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 180.29 183.34 Uh maybe during the discussion uh section? 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 175.6 177.3 Okay. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 177.3 180.29 Um is there any room for a little presentation? 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 182.71 183.58 There is? 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 183.58 184.19 Yeah, there is. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 184.48 184.8 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 187.36 192.16 Um okay, this new product we are are g are going to develop, um 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 185.26 187.36 No problem. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 201.6 213 Those are kind of easy um uh uh goals, um and I'm sure we can find more goals for the for the product we are going to develop. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 223.39 226.6 The market, we should have a look at the market. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 213 223.39 Um we will discuss uh later on more ideas about uh how the remote should look and how it sh it should function and all those kind of things. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 226.6 238.32 Um we are going to use a a pred a project method uh during uh this development, um which consists of three different design stages. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 193.35 196.6 it's a remote control, a television remote control. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 196.6 201.6 Um and first of all it should be original, it should be trendy and user-friendly. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 221.35 221.65 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 276.49 285.22 Um the second is the technical functional design, um what effect should the remote have? 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 285.22 289.49 Well in this case control t the the television I think. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 238.76 251.78 Uh the functional design, the conceptual design and the detailed design, um all of these stages um um mean that we do some individual work,
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 262.54 276.49 Um the first stage, the functional design um we are going to search for the user requirements, and we will um make a specific uh specification of that. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 251.78 262.54 prepare, and then uh meet to discuss our uh uh the the the progressions, yes. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 259.95 261.32 Progressions. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 288.3 289.7 It's for the vision. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 289.7 289.89 Yeah. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 321.61 326.2 You can uh uh display pr uh two presentations if you want to. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 289.97 293.39 Um and the last one is the working design. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 326.2 327.2 Um 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 317.88 321.61 Um it's also possible to use this one as well. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 302.44 305.89 So we'll kop it keep it with the functional design. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 313.07 317.88 Um as you see now I can give a presentation. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 293.39 297.73 How exactly does it work in the technical sense. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 297.73 302.44 Um the other design stages, uh we will discuss that later. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 305.89 313.07 Okay, um before we think about remote control we will um work with some of the tools we have uh here. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 331.52 340.91 to show us uh a file you'll need to uh place it in your project documents folder, which is on your desktop, at least it should be. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 340.91 345.34 Um then we have this electronic white-board system. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 345.34 346.46 Um 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 328.51 331.52 to um presentate,
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 350.22 351.02 Um 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 348.66 350.22 yeah, I will show that now. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 364.68 365.49 Um 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 355.91 364.68 There are little um uh sensors, so do not grab it here, but a lit more a little bit more to the uh to the end. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 352.53 355.91 you can draw on the board using this pen. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 357.45 358.03 Sensors. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 366.69 371.42 well, it it's on the um eraser now, so we click the pen button. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 380.26 383.68 Okay, so not too fast writing. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 383.68 384.49 Um 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 416.34 418.79 Um you can use the eraser to 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 399.22 400.85 It's quite the same. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 385.76 399.22 you can insert a new um slide or or white-board uh uh file um by either using the insert function or by clicking the next button or the blank button. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 410.39 412.85 So do not m make a new file. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 412.85 416.34 Just use this one uh during the day. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 400.85 410.39 Um all our um whi um uh SMARTboard um notes should be kept in the same file. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 420.28 421.49 make something go away. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 421.52 424.36 But we all use the same white-board file 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 424.84 425.27 Yes. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 425.83 431.61 So we can work together on it while we're or should we only use it in the in the meetings? 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 428.71 428.89 Yeah. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 434.04 437.76 It's really like like a regu regular whiteboard. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 437.76 441.87 Um you can choose the format, um sorry. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 432.04 434.04 Yeah, in the meetings, only in the meetings. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 441.87 442.88 Uh 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 433.21 433.72 Yeah, okay. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 435.57 436.25 Yeah, alright. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 436.25 436.49 Yep. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 444.18 444.83 Let me see. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 446.35 448.46 Um 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 453.92 454.6 Well 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 457.38 460.52 I guess it's maybe because I'm not s uh pen selected. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 465.58 467.04 And um for example 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 461.96 462.68 Yep. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 462.68 465.58 Current colour, you can choose another colour. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 474.88 476.68 Um so now I d have a different 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 470.77 474.88 black, and you c I can choose the line width. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 478.87 480.24 line width and uh colour. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 480.76 485.03 Quite easy, if you uh do have any questions, just c ask me. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 480.24 480.76 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 485.03 494.59 Um to um oh well, I'm I wrote down the documents uh should be in the project documents folder if you want to uh discuss it with us. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 494.59 511.85 Um as a little training um I will ask Ruud first to draw uh uh your own animal on a new slide uh with uh a different colour and a different line width than the one uh now selected. 
TS3011a H03 MTD044ME 514.35 514.65 Okay. 
TS3011a H03 MTD044ME 528.17 529.8 Um green. 
TS3011a H03 MTD044ME 538.66 539.57 Okay. 
TS3011a H03 MTD044ME 539.57 540.35 Um 
TS3011a H03 MTD044ME 537.66 538.66 An animal. 
TS3011a H03 MTD044ME 552.61 554.21 Uh a wee rabbit. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 553.13 555.39 It's a bunny. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 562.2 565.7 But a different animal with a different colour and a different line width. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 556.1 558.57 Okay, well great. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 554.86 556.1 A rabbit. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 558.57 562.2 Um Roo, could you do the same please? 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 556.02 556.42 Alright. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 561.71 562.8 But of course, Flores. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 568.67 569.14 Blank. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 569.44 571.63 Sebastian is thinking about the animal. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 571.45 575.15 I'm just uh guessing what should be my favourite animal. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 574.34 574.69 Okay. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 577.47 579.11 Format. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 574.53 577.47 Yeah, I'm think about it too. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 603.87 607.86 Well, it looked more than a bunny than a cat, but it works, right? 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 606.34 612.59 Well, I'll give it a try. 
TS3011a H03 MTD044ME 606.92 608.99 Yeah. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 609.45 609.82 Okay? 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 607.7 609.45 It it should be a cat. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 629.63 632 Mm. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 645.64 647.88 I'm guessing a horse. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 648.1 649.09 Very good. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 655.2 658.99 With a very small legs. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 661.19 662.62 I was very good in drawing. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 662.88 667.39 You should feed that uh that animal. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 674.39 677.76 Well, I guess you uh get the idea. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 678.47 679.52 Yes, okay. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 681.33 681.73 Beautiful. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 681.69 682.92 Beautiful. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 707.06 714.77 Uh the profit we are looking for for this product is fifty million Euros, 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 684.81 691.09 Okay, so um you can use this at any time during the presentation if you want to. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 695.24 697.74 Um okay, back to our project. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 697.74 707.06 Um the remote control we are going to develop um will have a selling price of about twenty five Euros. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 691.09 695.24 Um any questions well, just just let me know. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 715.97 717.68 which is quite a number. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 724.2 729.48 if there is market uh interest, uh in in more than one country. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 717.68 724.2 Um we uh we will focus this internationally, so the product will be sold um,
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 744.75 750.85 Um then the discussion, maybe the time for Sebastian to show his presentation. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 734.78 744.75 so we should keep that in mind by uh w w during the development, um because uh, well, those are important numbers. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 729.48 734.78 And um the production costs should not be more than uh twelve Euro fifty,
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 764.11 764.35 Okay? 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 758.51 764.11 because uh there might be some uh influations influences. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 750.8 758.51 Yes, um I have some technical uh issues which I would like to present to you uh before we start the discussion 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 761.12 761.85 Limitations. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 763.06 763.49 Okay. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 763.82 764.25 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 764.56 765.13 Okay, great. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 787.64 788.37 Okay. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 815.01 816.51 So that's one. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 816.51 820.23 Uh I also will propose some uh um 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 790.3 794.85 Um first about my role, role of the Industrial Designer. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 803.72 815.01 So if someone of you comes up with uh ideas, uh I'll try to translate them in technical functions, but uh there might be some impossibilities. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 794.85 803.72 I would like to think about uh the implementation of uh of things, and the technical possibilities and impossibilities. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 829.36 838.52 Um and I also will remind people of some new technical possibilities which are available and which might be interesting to implement in our product. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 827.51 829.36 Sorry about that. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 821.86 827.51 uh some implementations for that, but well, these are quite the same. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 838.58 838.85 Okay. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 864.5 869.28 Uh for instance, uh D. V. D. players, cell phones, video and audio equipment. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 853.88 864.5 Um I think a modern uh remote control should uh control a device diverse subset of equipment. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 839.94 850.49 I have some uh initial ideas about some things um which are maybe nice to take with you in the upcoming uh discussion. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 869.28 872.87 So one re uh one remote control for all your equipment. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 850.49 853.88 One thing about uh interopera operability. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 873.62 874.6 And for a cell phone? 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 875.41 879.85 Well, there should be some interoperabi interoperability between them. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 878.37 878.83 Yeah, okay. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 880.93 881.06 Yeah. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 882.9 884.62 We should discuss that. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 891.16 895.95 We're not uh living in the uh nineteen eighties anymore, so infrared is not uh 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 881.11 882.9 I think it could come in handy. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 884.62 891.16 Um and we should think about the way how these things uh should communicate with each other. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 897.75 901.63 is not really uh hot uh technical stuff anymore. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 901.63 904.12 But you should uh think about the things like uh Bluetooth. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 903.08 903.52 But 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 904.5 910.34 Yeah, but the infrared, it's uh, well, a little bit old-fashioned, if you would call it like that. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 910.34 914.34 But all the T. V. s are uh equipped with infrared, so 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 908.77 909.04 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 910.16 911.25 But it's cost-effective. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 912.18 912.51 Yes. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 914.2 915.41 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 917.12 918.36 So that's the point. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 918.36 918.9 So 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 915.41 917.12 Well, not all, not all. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 915.25 916.31 y you you can 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 917.54 918.66 Most of them. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 918.66 923.78 Or you shou sh use a you should equip infrared and Bluetooth together in one remote. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 922.41 929.29 Maybe, but that's uh something we should discuss and uh about every everybody should think about it. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 929.29 933.79 So that's just my role, I'll just uh give you uh everybody some technical input 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 940.45 944.03 but take these things into account when you start the discussion. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 933.79 940.45 and I think now the time is to have a little discussion about what uh the product should be and how it should look 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 925.36 925.59 Yeah. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 940.42 940.63 Yeah. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 944.44 953.07 Okay, so the the main por uh the main points you are uh telling us are focus on the inter uh operability, and 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 952.07 961.58 Yes, so one thing uh one remote control should uh control one or more uh pieces of equipment, and the way of communicating with these equipments. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 958.47 959.97 Okay, and and uh 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 961.78 962.55 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 973.75 974.55 Um 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 967.07 969.27 Okay, okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 964.55 967.07 Um that was your presentation? 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 969.27 973.31 Um okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 973.31 973.75 Great. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 962.55 964.55 Okay, good. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 963.98 964.27 Okay. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 966.63 967.01 That's it. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 975.84 978.3 I'll go back to my own presentation. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 978.3 980.78 Um 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 992.96 998.75 Um Sebastian told us a few things about the technical implemen uh implications. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1020.78 1022.8 Um so let's start with you. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1022.8 1027.19 H how do you think the remote should um function for the user? 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 998.75 1011.53 Um there are other things like um how to make it trendy, which is I think uh um most uh Ru uh Ruud's uh role. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 986.77 992.96 Um I I do think it's time now to to discuss uh mm some things. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1011.53 1020.78 Um the way how it should be controlled by the user, which is uh Roo uh r uh during this part. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 985.65 986.77 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 984.92 985.65 Mm. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1020.41 1020.75 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1032.15 1044.27 Um well, the interoperability, just like uh Sebastian said, um the remote should work on different T. V. s or even different uh um 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1027.14 1032.15 Well, I had a few uh things in mind. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1045.59 1047.72 Yeah uh, what is it, devices? 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1047.82 1048.13 Yep. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1057.93 1066.96 It's not for uh for uh for uh Philips or whatever to buy our remote for their own product, right? 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1049.35 1057.93 Um so i i I think it's a universal remote control for customers to buy just new in uh a store. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1057.03 1059.09 Yes, I think it should be something like that. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1067.08 1071.7 Okay, so we're we're going business to consumer, not we're we're it's not a 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1070.97 1072.23 Yeah, I do I don't know that. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1072.23 1074.58 It's no I have uh don't have the information for it. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1073.33 1076.58 We're not developing this product for a specific vendor, are we? 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1076.58 1083.86 No, we're just developing this product, and we want to sell it to a very broad uh public, so it should fit to every device. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1076.86 1077.08 No. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1076.11 1076.86 No. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1077.09 1077.84 No, okay. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1082.36 1082.68 Yeah. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1082.38 1082.65 Yeah. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1086.75 1087.33 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1084.08 1086.75 Uh Ruud, y do you agree? 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1087.33 1087.64 Okay. 
TS3011a H03 MTD044ME 1085.38 1086.9 Yeah, I think I think they're right, yeah. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1087.35 1089.68 Um 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1099.49 1102.63 That's just the basic f technical function. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1105.88 1106.65 Um 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1102.63 1105.88 So that was my really my part for uh this session. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1091.52 1099.49 Well, the techni fu technical function uh what you said is just by pressing the button you should change the state of the T. V. . 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1102.33 1102.6 Yeah. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1107.27 1111.34 So is that ease of use or uh is that more like um 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1107.71 1108.01 Yeah. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1122.41 1125.58 It just should change the T. V. 's state. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1116.43 1122.41 wh what is his task uh as an uh as an uh device. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1127.32 1129.07 Um but furthermore 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1125.58 1127.32 So that's it. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1110.95 1116.43 Well, that's just the fu the technical function is pure what should the remote control do 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1118.83 1119.13 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1124.81 1125.23 Okay. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1128.2 1132.04 And you you see uh the buttons as a as a means of doing this? 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1134.66 1135.78 Are there only any other cont 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1132.04 1134.66 Or are there any o other controls? 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1133.08 1134.85 Yeah, with buttons. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1134.85 1137.35 Yeah, or maybe you want a touch-screen or 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1132.03 1133.08 Yeah. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1159.34 1161.34 So maybe that's an idea, I don't know. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1145.15 1146.34 You know these things. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1156.04 1159.34 on on a chapters, you know, on a D. V. D. player. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1150.61 1156.04 to to switch b uh between uh channels or uh change uh between tracks on a on a C. D. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1137.57 1145.15 Well, I I've seen these remote controls with uh this little stick uh which you can move forward, sidewords. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1146.34 1150.61 And um it's very easy for a user to to switch w yes 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1138.47 1138.99 But 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1143.99 1144.32 Yeah. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1145.08 1145.44 Uh-huh. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1147.61 1148.9 They're very vu vulnerable. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1150.45 1150.7 Yeah. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1161.09 1162.01 Yeah. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1167.05 1173.59 Uh point at a T. V., I think it's it's quite disturbing when you always have to point directly to the T. V. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1173.59 1178.78 so you must point everywhere, so maybe infrared is 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1162.01 1167.05 And for other user interface I had um, well, it's more industrial thing. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1172.2 1172.66 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1177.17 1177.54 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1180.33 1180.58 Yeah. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1178.29 1180.33 Maybe not even pointed. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1179.89 1186.3 Yeah, just don't even point it, so in that case infrared should uh maybe uh be restriction to that. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1191.26 1196.86 So when you're not able to point at the device um the range is very limited. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1186.96 1191.26 Uh is that uh are there restriction for the range, the operating range too? 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1186 1186.96 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1186.47 1187.36 Okay Uh 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1198.17 1201.86 For T. V., you're always in in the neighbourhood of a T. V., so I don't think think 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1195.16 1198.17 Yeah, if you g if you go to radio or or yeah. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1208.7 1215.11 and you're in outside your garden with just one uh speaker, then maybe the range should be uh 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1203.08 1208.7 the range should be a problem to that, but if you want to uh get it working with a radio,
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1203.67 1204.36 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1204.36 1204.63 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1212.51 1212.8 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1215.85 1216.22 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1216.02 1224.33 Okay, gentlemen, um uh just a reminder, we d we have five minutes left for this meeting um okay. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1216.38 1216.75 But 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1220.43 1220.68 Okay. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1220.67 1220.85 Yeah. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1223.73 1224.24 Um 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1222.45 1223.73 Two more things. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1243.94 1248.83 You must feel the buttons for volume or whatever, I think. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1235.31 1243.94 so it should be as user interface um for feeling should be uh good to understand. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1256.22 1257.31 So when it's dark 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1248.83 1256.22 And of course you don't always know where all buttons are, so it should be visible al um in dark too. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1225.63 1235.31 You should able to feel the buttons without uh it mis um you have to know what you do without looking at the buttons 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1244.04 1245.4 Okay, s yeah. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1248.64 1248.86 Yeah. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1256.52 1256.97 Okay. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1258.91 1261.59 Those are two really uh user interface 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1272.21 1279.15 Um do you have anything already w um ab idea about how the market uh will respond to the such a product? 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1266.61 1272.21 Okay, um uh I just want to hear uh Ruud's um input for this meeting. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1261.61 1264.17 Uh I'll write down glow in the dark. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1264.17 1266.61 Is tha Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1279.15 1282.77 Or what we should take um in account when developing such a product? 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1264.16 1266.09 That's perfect. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1263.78 1264.16 Yeah. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1266.72 1267.49 Do do you 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1265.46 1266.72 Okay. 
TS3011a H03 MTD044ME 1283.22 1288.24 Uh I think most most things have already been said, like uh control multiple devices. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1288.48 1288.78 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011a H03 MTD044ME 1291 1293.18 And uh, yeah, infrared might be an issue. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1294.07 1294.61 Because? 
TS3011a H03 MTD044ME 1299.45 1302.45 But uh lots of devices already use infrared. 
TS3011a H03 MTD044ME 1302.45 1302.88 So 
TS3011a H03 MTD044ME 1295.57 1299.45 Uh well, he said about n abo what he said about pointing. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1298.63 1298.96 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011a H03 MTD044ME 1304.13 1305.69 we'll probably have to implement that. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1305.94 1306.35 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1308.92 1309.39 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1317.95 1321.25 Okay, Sebastian, did you have any other ideas? 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1320.56 1327.36 Um well yes, I had, uh about three minutes ago, but I've seem to forget them forgot them. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1327.36 1329.36 Um oh yes, I remember. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1332.07 1332.77 Um 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1329.36 1332.07 Um you said something about visibility in the dark. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1332.4 1332.64 Yeah. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1334.18 1341.93 uh would it be nice for a user to have display on this uh remote control, on which you can see functions? 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1343.24 1344.98 Which makes it easier to operate it. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1352.99 1355.36 The uh the the digits in black. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1344.64 1345.23 Yeah. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1345.23 1352.99 Well, maybe I um but it it can be quite simple, you can just have white buttons with a black mark on it. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1355.36 1358.03 Uh then it's already visible in dark. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1358.03 1363.42 So it it don't have to be a lightning or or a fancy well, it can be for design, of course. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1347.84 1348.4 I I don't know. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1350.72 1350.98 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1352.27 1352.72 Okay. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1354.79 1355.12 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1357.87 1358.1 Okay. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1361.47 1361.98 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1367.06 1367.44 So 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1361.95 1362.41 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1362.41 1367.06 Yeah, yeah, okay, because because we wa we want to develop a trendy product. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1366.6 1368.9 Yes, but there's a cost limitation too. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1368.9 1370.1 Well, that's more 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1369.13 1371.76 Yeah, twelve Euro fifty, yeah. 
TS3011a H03 MTD044ME 1369.48 1369.66 Yeah. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1382.07 1384.59 The cost price is very low. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1373.92 1382.07 I think the the financial part of this project uh implicates that it's not going to be a high high-end product. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1370.99 1373.92 So that's a big problem, I think. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1384.59 1385.39 Um 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1382.09 1382.45 Okay. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1391.51 1392.2 You have a m uh 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1387.16 1391.51 The digits of uh the the painting on the buttons should not fade. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1384.9 1387.16 Just remind something. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1391.12 1392.36 Okay, okay. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1391.31 1391.85 Okay. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1392.66 1392.89 Yeah. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1391.85 1392.66 Very good point. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1393.6 1396.15 Always have s the soft buttons, always uh 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1400.07 1400.62 The marks. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1397.44 1400.07 clear the the the paint on it. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1400.24 1400.64 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1402.72 1408.08 Okay, um I ha I have one point f um which which comes in mind now. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1420.86 1425.71 Because it's very annoying if you need to change the batteries every s uh uh every other week. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1408.08 1420.86 Um uh d I think the device should either be rechargeable very easily um or it should not consume too much um power. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1414.61 1415.59 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1415.59 1415.96 Okay. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1426.29 1426.54 Yeah. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1426.3 1426.67 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1427.34 1428.56 So um 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1438.92 1442.75 I dunno, it's uh that's more Sebastian's uh um 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1429.76 1438.92 maybe we could um for example uh only light the buttons that are um uh applicable at that moment or yeah. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1432.85 1433.47 But um 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1435.69 1437.31 Necessary, yeah. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1441.37 1442.29 Yeah. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1442.29 1445.18 But then Bluetooth uh might be problem. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1445.18 1446.83 'Cause I think Bluetooth uh 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1442.21 1442.41 Hmm. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1446.46 1455.84 It's use uh a lot of uh well Well, cell phones have uh integrated Bluetooth also and, well, it's it seems to work uh quite okay. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1455.84 1457.98 So uh technically it will be possible. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1447.98 1449.74 Yeah, I know it from the cell phone. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1448.34 1449.18 Well does it? 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1449.18 1449.97 I'm not sure. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1449.97 1450.23 Uh 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1455.56 1455.86 Yeah. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1456.37 1460.8 But you can't you can't use Bluetooth all the time, twenty four hours a day. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1460.8 1461.15 Does it 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1460.36 1461.04 No, you cannot. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1460.42 1461.62 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1465.27 1466.04 Um 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1461.62 1465.27 Gentlemen, I'm afraid we do not have any more time. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1462.25 1463.03 It's over? 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1462.49 1463.51 Okay. 
TS3011a H02 MTD042ID 1465.41 1465.59 Okay. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1471.65 1482.07 Um next meeting starts in thirty minutes and um, well, you know your o your individual actions or your personal coach will probably email you about th it. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1467.45 1471.65 so we will go back to our own uh work. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1482.07 1483.81 Um so 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1486.39 1487.62 See you in thirty minutes. 
TS3011a H00 MTD041PM 1484.88 1486.39 this was it. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1485.52 1485.91 Okay. 
TS3011a H01 MTD043UID 1487.97 1488.35 Great. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 7.5 8.17 Welcome back. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 8.84 9.57 Hello. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 9.27 9.53 Hello. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 10.9 12.36 Uh let me see. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 13.71 15.2 There's one of mine. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 28.29 30.14 Roo, welcome back. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 26.73 28.29 Okay. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 31.15 32.06 Hello, Flores. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 32.34 33.99 The waiting is for Sebastian. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 37.86 38.61 There he is. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 39.02 43.04 Is there any time for a cup of coffee? 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 43.04 45.7 Can I get a cup of coffee? 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 45.7 47.8 Okay. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 39.54 41.64 We have a slight problem. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 41.64 43.91 I opened uh the C. D. ROM box uh guys. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 42.39 42.69 Sorry? 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 46.08 46.89 You can't, sorry. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 44.66 46.08 Uh no. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 47.87 49.22 So just cancel it. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 50.67 53.08 Well, during my work I have no time either. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 53.08 55.21 So 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 58.07 59.09 Sorry uh, Roo. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 53.42 58.07 Well, this is life. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 62.24 64.08 Accidentally. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 64.08 64.73 But it's alright. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 59.22 62.24 Yeah, I opened the C. D. ROM box. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 61.75 63.37 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 64.55 67.62 People, welcome back with the second meeting. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 63.37 64.55 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 85.02 90.37 I'm not sure if you received them as well, um but I will tell you about it. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 78.59 85.02 Um second, I received um some new project requirements. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 75.02 78.59 Uh first of all the opening, which we are doing now. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 68.7 75.02 Um for now on the schedule are a few points. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 96.33 96.9 Sebastian? 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 90.37 96.33 Um then um the three of you uh prepared a presentation, I think? 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 89.69 90.16 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 97.11 97.78 I think so too. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 97.99 98.26 Roo? 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 98.47 98.77 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 99.37 100.44 Ruud? 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 105.51 107.79 Um the top goal of this m 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 100.44 102.13 Almost, okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 102.13 105.51 Then we'll do your one uh uh as la uh the last. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 99.81 100.9 Almost. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 106.93 111.05 But you can't upload your presentation from here, I believe. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 111.4 114.87 Um we will figure that out. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 114.87 116.64 Ca can you try to 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 114.42 114.75 Okay. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 115.4 119.59 Uh if it if it if it's wireless I could just uh put it in the. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 118.08 119.49 Yeah, w we will see. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 121.66 122.58 Or it is. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 122.58 123.13 Yeah? 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 123.13 123.74 Okay, great. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 119.24 121.66 I don't think it's wireless here. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 120.81 122.96 Um it is, yeah. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 122.12 122.63 It is. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 120.93 122.12 It is. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 123.32 123.78 Uh okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 136.41 137.27 Um 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 130.78 136.41 on the target group um and and the functions of the remote control, so keep that in mind. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 124.07 124.98 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 124.98 130.78 Um the top goal of this meeting is to reach a decision on the product,
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 139.99 140.33 So 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 138.75 139.99 we have forty minutes. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 141.52 142.89 it's now 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 145.04 156.25 Um the new project requirements, first of all, um we didn't speak about it, but we should not um support teletext in the remote 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 143.82 144.15 Yep. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 144.15 145.04 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 165.13 169.85 So um we are not even going to try to um implement it in our product. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 156.25 165.13 um because our b um board uh feels that uh teletext is out of date and internet is replacing teletext. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 198.05 207.13 Because the product should um be uh interesting and and uh should be bought by people younger than forty. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 187.05 193.48 Uh the third requirement is that we should focus on customers that are younger than uh forty,
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 170.89 172.42 It's a board decision. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 193.48 198.05 which is important for you, uh Ruud, and as well for uh Roo. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 178.73 187.05 it's not uh w uh uh we we cannot make it because of the time to market um that we have to deal with. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 207.13 208.03 Um 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 172.42 178.73 Um the remote control should only be used for television, because it's not uh f uh feasible 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 179.39 179.71 Yeah. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 185.11 185.72 Time, yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 214.66 220.78 So the colour colours and the slogan um do have to be uh in the product. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 209.15 214.66 then for Roo, as well uh important, the corporate image should be recognisable in our product. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 221.45 221.83 Yes. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 222.39 222.97 Is that clear? 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 225.54 227.12 Any questions on these 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 228.5 229.18 requirements? 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 232.07 232.32 No? 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 234.03 235.3 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 235.3 241.09 Um the individual presentations, I th um Roo or Sebastian, who of you would like to start? 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 243.16 243.9 Yeah, I'll start. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 243.95 244.57 Uh uh yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 244.57 245.74 Okay, great. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 244.25 244.52 Yes. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 245.65 246.41 Um 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 248.98 250.22 Oh, how can I uh 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 254.23 256.14 Geez, and sli and show. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 259.63 260.22 Um 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 265.91 266.69 Just uh press it. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 266.69 267.18 Uh yes. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 268.7 269.19 Alright. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 271.18 278.7 Um well w we uh we had discussed this already in the fin in the previous uh discussion. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 278.7 285.5 Uh the method of the remote control is just the function of remote control is basically to send messages to the television set. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 286.6 287.2 So that was 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 288.85 293.63 the main uh important thing what a remote control should do. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 308.18 315.56 And the ease-of-use remote control with uh the less p possibilities but a great feeling in in touching the buttons. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 293.63 301.36 Then I found uh two different kind of remote controls, the multi-function uh remote control with many possibilities 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 301.36 308.18 but um the lack of the feeling I already mentioned uh in the previous uh discussion. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 290.79 291.01 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 308 308.35 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 315.97 316.14 Yeah. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 317.99 319.81 Um but um yeah. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 339.73 346.84 So maybe um the multi-function can be implemented in uh in our design. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 331.8 339.73 But um your new goal f was for uh people than less than forty years old. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 321.33 331.8 My personal preferences were ease of uh the easy to use remote control, because uh the user-friendliness and uh it can be more trendy in in user design. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 354.58 355.71 So it should uh 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 346.84 354.58 But it should b I think it should be a combination, but teletext buttons are not uh in our design. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 339.09 339.5 Uh-huh. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 357.2 361.07 take out, well, eight buttons or so. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 361.07 367.63 But my in my opinion, the the easy to use R. C. is uh the best uh possi possibility for us. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 367.8 368.24 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 369.65 372.19 Uh Ruud, did you get that? 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 373.11 374.45 Yeah, uh b uh most. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 373.27 373.42 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 374.84 376.67 Okay, so the important thing here is 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 376.54 383.38 And it's also i indeed uh uh Ruud's uh insight in the in the topic. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 385.25 386.4 I I don't know. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 383.38 385.25 Yeah, what what does the market want? 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 377.38 378.23 Oh, user-friendly. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 382.77 384.05 In the market, yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 386.53 388.66 Yeah, okay, w we will s we all uh 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 387.43 394.65 Just for uh for user desi uh user uh friendliness I uh should choose for the the ease of use remote control. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 396.71 397.3 Sebastian. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 395.61 396.71 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 394.76 395.61 Yeah. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 397.44 400.51 Okay. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 413.55 415.85 Excuse me. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 414.96 416.59 Scusi. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 419.9 420.35 Um 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 422.42 423.89 Okay, it's still the right thing. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 427.69 436.71 Um well, there are some changes in the design requirements, so there are some changes in the method also. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 426.47 427.69 Okay. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 436.71 442.51 Um basically all this device has to do is send messages to a T. V. set. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 442.51 449.31 And the m most easy way to do this is by uh sending pulses of infrared light to a T. V. set. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 449.31 455.18 Well, I th I tried to uh implement a picture here, but it's hardly readable. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 454.05 455.32 Energies and uh 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 456.44 457.66 Can you see it? 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 458.13 458.44 Well 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 457.66 458.13 No? 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 457.13 458.23 No, it's not visible. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 462.39 466.38 And um basically there it's connected to three things. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 486.51 488.25 Um what have I found. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 466.38 476.25 The user interface connected to a chip, which is connected to the sender, which generates messages using uh infrared light, which are sent to the receiver. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 498.22 501.74 It's almost every piece of equipment um 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 485.49 486.51 Okay. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 476.25 477.87 That's basically the idea. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 459.56 462.39 Um, there's a energy source here. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 494.3 495.18 That's all. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 488.25 494.3 Usually these kind of things consist of a battery, infrared diode, buttons, chips, and circuit board. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 495.18 498.22 It's cased together, nothing more than that. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 477.87 485.49 And there's a little picture, just for your imagination, how a device like this should look or can look. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 503.72 507.07 every piece of uh every T. V. set is controlled infrared. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 523.15 526.54 So maybe we should consider that. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 537.01 538.65 There are a few buttons connected. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 520 523.15 In the and it's a little more a little bit more fancy also. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 527.37 532.23 I have a basic scheme of the things uh which are implemented. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 535.77 537.01 There's just one chip. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 512.62 516.48 And uh the more luxury uh remote controls have lithium buttons. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 516.48 520 And I think that's what we w yes. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 540.16 546.08 And the whole thing is transmitted by a infrared li diode, and there is not a power source here. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 532.23 535.77 Um basically this is all there is. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 538.65 540.16 Uh the buttons are lit. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 507.07 512.62 There are some exceptions, but most of all have uh infrared controls. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 526.54 527.37 Okay. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 505.65 505.94 Yeah. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 518.05 521.25 The glow in the dark uh concept uh we discussed. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 524.17 524.44 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 525.47 525.88 Okay. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 561.49 562.22 So 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 546.44 552.35 So that's basically the total design of this piece of equipment. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 553.69 554.63 It's fairly easy. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 554.63 561.49 It's been done many times before, and I think we should uh we should c s succeed in in our plan to do this. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 552.35 553.69 There's nothing more to it. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 552.6 553.72 So it's fairly easy. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 557.16 560.04 Succeed in it also. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 557.26 557.92 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 561.48 562.9 Okay, good. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 574.3 577.08 So I think that uh should be clear. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 577.08 583.72 Uh another important point is uh we really should use uh energy uh sparse, friendly components. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 563.91 574.3 Okay, so uh personally I think we should infra use infrared, because uh otherwise our device cannot uh communicate with uh almost every T. V. set. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 593.21 602.19 And um if we want to use uh a rechargeable design or uh a energy-save design, we should really implement them. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 583.72 593.21 Uh there are specially uh designed um energy-friendly components which consume uh far less power than uh conventional components. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 576.78 577.1 Okay. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 602.76 608.66 Um for cost-effectiveness, we should really use a very low-cost uh circuit board 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 623.37 626.14 I think our uh users will really uh will really like that. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 608.66 613.92 um because most of the production cost are are in this uh part of the equipment. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 613.92 623.37 And um the money we save on using this we can use uh for elaborate fancy lighting uh techniques, blinking LEDs and all that kind of fancy stuff. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 613.25 613.59 Okay. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 626.21 632.76 And what's the um if we use the LEDs, i does it use much more energy or 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 636.6 637.39 So that's no problem. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 635.09 636.6 So we can use them. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 632.62 635.09 No, they're p f uh power friendly LEDs also. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 635.05 635.47 Okay. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 637.35 640.51 For the same costs, it's can be uh in our 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 639.15 645.42 Uh no, they're uh they're a little bit more expensive, but by uh um um making 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 644.71 646.98 Combined with the low-cost circuit board so it's uh 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 646.54 648.08 We can we can make its I think. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 647.83 653.04 Well you could only lit uh the buttons the buttons that are used most. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 653.04 654.54 So, the channel switching. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 655.33 655.7 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 656.56 667.25 but but the question is whether um two or four buttons makes uh m makes such a difference in the costs if you already plan to uh include fancy lightning techniques 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 656.3 656.56 Yeah 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 655.49 656.3 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 667.25 667.83 I guess. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 656.14 656.36 Or 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 656.67 657.05 Okay. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 661.34 662.06 But I think 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 667.12 667.4 Hmm. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 667.58 668.22 Hmm, true. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 667.76 674.78 Yeah, I think it's the same as in the cell phone, just light in in the device that that shines on all the buttons, and not for 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 674.62 678.7 Well, it's not one light, it there are more lights in a in a in a mobile device. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 678.7 679.7 No no no, no. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 674.12 674.62 Yes. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 681.44 683.21 So well, this uh should be it. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 679.7 681.44 That's right, that's right. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 677.4 679.69 Yeah, but not for each button one LED, I think. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 681.14 681.5 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 683.56 683.96 Okay. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 683.71 685.81 Um have a think about it. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 686.71 686.86 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 687.99 688.54 Okay, Ruud. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 688.02 690.74 Oh, mine is already outdated. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 691.46 698.93 Okay well, we ar we are very curio curious to what the market um will feel about such a product. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 692.04 693.43 Since uh 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 702.8 703.26 Input. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 700.36 702.8 So any income is welcome. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 703.81 704.25 Okay, make 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 708.36 708.76 Well 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 712.74 716.1 Uh then I'm sure the target market is uh ten million units. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 717.51 723.89 Of of which we should sell about uh forty percent to make the five million. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 724.8 727.07 Could you step a little bit more to the right? 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 727.07 727.81 Yeah, thank you. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 724.99 725.23 Okay. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 727.13 738.1 But um since uh the other part is uh forty percent of the market, I uh thought earlier we might want to constrain that portion of the market. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 738.1 744.34 But uh since uh the requirements changed, that's uh not a good idea. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 748.04 751.14 Uh well, skip this. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 749.96 751.87 Yeah. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 777.86 782.17 So we might want to build in a feature to uh support them. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 769.29 774.06 So they're obv obviously uh the most important buttons. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 755.13 758.51 That they only use ten percent the buttons. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 774.06 777.86 And uh lots of people complained they kin can't find their remote control. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 752.74 755.13 Well, it's this till true, of course. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 767.54 769.29 And the volume button's only four times. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 758.51 767.54 The buttons to zap are used the about uh fifteen hundred times, when uh the power button is only used one time. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 777.38 777.72 Mm. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 786.24 786.41 Or 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 784.77 786.24 Like uh home phones. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 783.3 784.77 Some uh audio signal. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 784.89 785.33 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 786.56 787.44 Well, that's interesting. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 786.75 789.09 Or a find a finding function, you know. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 789.09 790.7 That's quite a yes. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 787.56 787.85 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 788.63 791.06 Yeah, that's definitely interesting. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 791.06 794.79 It uh it separates our product from others uh as well. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 794.79 795.47 Okay, go on. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 791.57 792.1 Sound signal. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 793.86 794.1 Yeah. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 794.53 794.71 Yeah. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 794.97 795.23 Yes. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 799.63 802.43 And uh well, this obvious, and he also said it. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 797.92 799.63 Well, I just said that. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 803.87 804.74 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 804.74 806.24 So that's what the market tells us. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 807.06 808.6 Uh that's about it, yes. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 808.31 809.19 Yep. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 809.19 809.59 Okay. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 814.24 814.7 So 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 810.58 814.24 The volume and uh the zap buttons are the mostly used. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 818.01 818.26 But 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 813.7 815.3 Uh mo uh zap buttons most. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 815.3 818.01 Volume, they are uh use a lot. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 819 821.85 Yeah, well it should just have a design 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 821.01 821.42 So 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 819.44 821.01 more than all the other buttons. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 826.46 827.9 And first um 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 823.2 826.46 The perfect design for those only those buttons. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 825.99 826.34 Yes. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 844.74 851.87 So we can fully concentrate on developing a product that is really um what the market needs. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 830.67 835.21 Well, the technical uh there I think there are no technical difficulties. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 851.87 858.37 So maybe it's a good idea to think about these buttons and and uh and a sound signal. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 835.21 840.12 There's no um elaborate technique uh used in this uh kind of equipment. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 840.12 844.74 So um I don't think we have any hiccups there. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 828.14 830.67 Yes, we should focus on that, I guess. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 829.61 829.93 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 830.46 830.71 Yep. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 857.78 865.79 Just one thing I'm just wondering, the sound signal, from where do you execute th the s sound? 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 855.91 857.78 Yeah, the sound signal. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 865.79 867.85 Another device is not a solution. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 867.85 869.07 It should be uh uh 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 866.27 866.61 Yeah. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 862.76 866.27 Yeah, that's uh a problem. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 863.19 863.5 Well 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 865.4 867.63 Th that's a bit of that's a problem. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 864.8 865.4 Yes. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 867.63 868.55 Usually 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 867.32 872.97 Well maybe maybe like clapping in your hands, like um turning on and off the the the lights. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 870.99 871.46 Oh yes. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 872.51 875.48 Yeah, but maybe you'll uh get some new technologies for it. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 873.09 873.88 Yes. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 884.05 890.81 You press it and your T. V. set starts to make a uh kind of weird sound, and your uh remote controls then start to beep. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 890.81 891.4 And um 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 877.69 884.05 Um there are video sets and um they have a special button, the find the remote control button. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 873.88 877.69 Well, there there are some devices who uh incorporate this technique already. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 889.87 892.18 Reports rep respend response to it. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 891.6 895.18 Yeah, just like uh the phones the 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 893.46 894.08 Yes, that's it. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 892.56 893.46 Yes. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 895.3 896.24 Yes, same thing. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 895.54 895.78 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 896.18 897.19 But uh th 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 896.32 898.55 But but T. V. s don't have all uh 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 898.84 901.15 No, so we we should use something else. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 900.4 900.54 Uh 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 899.81 900.4 uh buttons. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 900 900.36 And you 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 901.36 902.16 Yeah, and usually 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 901.46 905.15 Yeah, because we do not have a a a a a home um 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 901.77 903.32 But I believe you will have an 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 905.91 908.97 We do not control the T. V. set so well. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 908.45 914.65 And even if the T. V. set would have such a button, uh you would have to walk to your T. V., and it's 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 913.34 921.57 S and we b we want to make so it's is easy as possible for our customers, so we should think about 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 912.48 913.34 Yes, m yes. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 922.57 923.59 Um because you se 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 920.39 922.57 So what about the clapping technique? 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 919.17 920.39 Okay. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 923.13 927.13 I'm convinced uh Sebastian will uh find uh one solution for us. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 926.86 928.26 Well, it's quite complicated. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 925.04 926.86 It's quite complicated. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 928.26 931.42 Because how can you separate the clapping sound from other sounds. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 931.52 932.26 And b 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 931.72 935.87 Well, you see it a lot in in light uh lightning uh uh 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 950.32 956.14 But there are many other sounds uh which are exactly the same from the point of view from a remote control. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 935.84 942.46 Well, basically the characteristics uh the characteristics of clapping is just an increase in the volume,
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 934.41 935.84 Yes, yes. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 942.46 950.32 the amplitude of the sound, which is uh generated a few times within a uh certain period of time. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 942.28 943.32 Yeah, a peak. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 943.32 943.55 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 949.88 950.09 Yeah. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 954.34 957.41 So if if you'd be watching a movie, it would constantly beep. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 957.88 958.69 Yeah, that's true. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 958.13 960.02 Yes, so we don't want that. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 969.53 977.76 Well if you lost th I don't think people would bother walking to the T. V. and press that button because they lost the their remote. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 959.44 964.81 But we can have just uh uh a home stat uh f a base station next to the T. V. . 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 977.76 979.4 Uh that's just uh 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 964.81 969.53 Just a little antenna or uh something. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 961.26 962 Maybe we can 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 968.42 969.79 Something like that. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 969.79 973.53 Well, is there not something f something more easily 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 970.44 970.89 Well uh 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 975.09 976.18 Well, I don't think uh. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 995.87 1004.44 You do not want another device, which can be uh everywhere in the house, which you have to find first before you can find your remote control. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 978.63 988.74 and y the the most important thing for people is that there's a central point to which they can go and uh b uh perform a a some kind of uh. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 988.74 995.87 And then uh the remote control uh reports itself, so w we should use have uh we should use something like that. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 978.4 978.63 No 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 984.35 984.6 Yeah. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1004.37 1009.03 just a base station next to the T. V. is the best possibility. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1009.92 1011.35 So that's not a good idea. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1007.74 1009.92 But that will be very costly, I think. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1006.39 1007.74 Yes, something like that. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1018.85 1022.28 if it's possible within the costs and all that kind of things. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1009.99 1018.85 Yeah, m maybe um w we uh we do agree on on the thing that the remote should have such a function 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1022.28 1031.91 Um maybe Sebastian should have uh a detailed look later on and um come up with a solution, because that's his his field of expertise. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1010.56 1010.71 Yeah. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1021.93 1022.2 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1025.93 1026.39 I will. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1028.93 1029.11 Yeah. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1029.09 1029.33 Yes. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1051.17 1053.24 And there are some implepe imp 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1032.96 1046.31 But um before I do that I w I want to warn you that uh by implementing this kind of a function the technical design will become more complicated um and it will become more costly also. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1032.26 1032.96 Yes. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1046.31 1051.17 Because there will be additional components which which uh will be used. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1042.53 1042.85 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1046.28 1046.46 Yep. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1052.44 1059.45 And do we even uh prefer the sound above the the LEDs, the lightning uh 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1066.57 1067.1 So 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1058.75 1066.57 Well, I I think so, because um when you have a p newspaper over your remote control, you cannot see it. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1060.28 1060.75 function? 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1063.46 1065.5 It's a unique item uh 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1068.53 1069.97 It's a different exactly. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1066.83 1068.53 Yeah, it's a distinction in the market. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1069.97 1080.51 It's an uni an unique feature, and um I think um it's worth um uh looking and and probably more i interesting than uh than the lights. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1067.38 1070.07 It will be an a unique feature of our remote control. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1068.91 1069.06 Yeah. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1071.22 1071.44 Yeah. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1089.7 1092.58 What should we choose in in design? 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1080.51 1089.7 And just about uh the user interface, I came up with um an easy remote control and an advanced remote control. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1089.33 1089.55 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1094.17 1103.06 Well, um according to Ruud, um people do not use um all the extra features very very often. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1093.51 1094.17 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1103.06 1103.56 So 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1100.21 1101.26 Well, the extra functions. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1103.84 1106 I have the numbers r I have the numbers right here. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1106.14 1106.61 Okay. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1108.39 1116.33 Well, t uh we won't support teletext which which was the third-most the second-most used function. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1113.27 1114.1 Used option. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1116.39 1117.77 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1117.77 1123.1 Well, we we do have a wise board, so I'm not questioning that. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1117.05 1122.27 Okay. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1123.38 1126.51 Uh well yeah, channel selection is obviously the most important. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1133.81 1134.8 Well, we skip that. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1128.05 1133.81 Okay, so on the relevance scale uh the channel selection, the volume selection and the teletext. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1126.88 1128.05 Yeah. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1128.61 1129.18 So 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1134.5 1135.39 Yeah. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1135.39 1135.79 So 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1133.24 1134.5 Yeah. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1136 1139.08 Well, so it just th the basic functions. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1139.08 1142.35 And we don't have to use it for D. V. D. players uh and all kind of stuff. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1142.35 1143.76 So 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1136.06 1136.45 Okay. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1142.97 1145.17 So that's out of the question. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1145.17 1145.7 So 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1141.83 1142.97 No, no. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1142.33 1142.55 No. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1142.38 1142.72 Nope. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1144.88 1145.48 Yeah. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1148.78 1152.43 We can make uh a nice design when when there's not mu uh much buttons in it. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1145.48 1148.78 Just through uh the easy uh design. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1152.43 1152.8 So 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1145 1145.39 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1147.49 1149.6 Uh uh uh I think we should go for the easier one. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1151.67 1152.44 Yes. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1152.44 1152.86 Well 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1152.86 1165.18 we should save costs uh by not implementing a lot of functions and uh the money that we can save from that we should use for uh having a nice design and uh thinking about the user interface and 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1150.14 1151.67 I think also. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1152.9 1153.07 No. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1162.63 1162.88 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1167.39 1172.68 Uh do you agree, do you think the market would would respond to uh a simple 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1165.18 1167.39 Okay, Ruud, how do you feel about that? 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1172.84 1176.52 Uh well if we um include other uh innovative 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1185.46 1186.02 So 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1177.54 1185.46 functions uh then they uh might, 'cause young people uh like new features. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1178.33 1178.67 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1185.45 1185.7 Mm yeah. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1187.28 1187.86 Yeah, that's right. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1189.29 1191.28 Okay, so this is is kind of uh 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1189.43 1189.83 Mm. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1191.23 1197.48 Uh just a few buttons, trendy design, nice lightning effects wh and the sound. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1196.67 1199.06 Well, is it maybe there's another possibility. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1199.06 1206.66 You can make it look like an easy s piece of equipment, but it's quite elaborated, uh because it has many functions. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1206.66 1216.77 Maybe it's more important to make the make it look like a very uh friendly, easy to catch piece of equipment, but um nevertheless 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1195.74 1196.67 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1206.09 1206.29 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1215.7 1222.45 But but are we not in in the in the manual uh I mean if you have few buttons, no display 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1222.45 1230.72 um I mean uh I guess it's l it's working with with a shift functions and um one button can uh 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1222.32 1222.59 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1220.94 1222.32 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1231.83 1238.08 Well, I was more thinking about a more elaborate way of controlling, by by these kinds of sticks or something like that. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1240.36 1241.6 That's your field of expertise. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1238.08 1240.36 I don't know if if it's user-friendly. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1230.21 1231.83 Ok like that. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1242.39 1244.38 Yeah, I don't know yet. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1242.74 1251.7 But but how does how does the remote uh report uh r uh give back to the user w in what state it is? 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1251.7 1254.63 Because we do not implement uh a user history. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1252.66 1253.74 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1260.29 1260.5 W 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1253.74 1260.29 There's no, but there's no way to do that, because we cannot implement that kind of the system. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1260.04 1264.54 I know, but but if we use uh like a stick, for example, um 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1263.23 1263.5 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1265.55 1267.35 Well, maybe we can use a light for that. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1273.15 1279.63 So you know I've just uh pushed the button, or I changed the channel or t uh turned up the volume. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1267.35 1273.15 When you move the stick to a to a position, maybe uh a light next to it can lit up. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1279.63 1280.3 Something like that. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1280.57 1289.66 And if you use that stick for volume control and channel uh selection, you have the m two most important functions in one uh button. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1287.53 1287.75 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1287.75 1292.49 Uh and we could have other buttons for the for the advanced uh functions. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1287.58 1287.91 Yes. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1289.66 1294.95 But does it uh I then should n just use uh i instead of the stick,
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1294.95 1299.65 uh like many cell phones, just a round m well, should we just use a 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1298.29 1299.6 Yeah, draw draw it on the board. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1301.72 1305.08 Um it's already uh oh, we have a blank. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1310.73 1310.97 Oh. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1315.93 1316.95 Oh yeah, something like that. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1318.68 1320.01 It's not really a stick, but 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1318.8 1324.44 It's just an easy uh way of of a round button what which can be pushed in four directions. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1325.17 1327.12 A stick is v vulnerab vulnerable 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1324.44 1325.17 Instead of a stick. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1323.14 1324.36 Yes. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1324.36 1324.66 Yes. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1327.5 1327.81 Hmm. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1327.96 1329.13 Yeah, it can break down. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1328.19 1333.3 when it's falling down or uh just a round uh button should be the trick, I think. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1329.45 1330.17 Yes, yes. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1329.84 1330.05 Yeah. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1331.83 1332.17 And 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1333.2 1335.68 Yes, and this also looks more fancy, I think. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1335.68 1337.42 I think it it will attract uh 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1335.81 1336.06 Yeah. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1338.55 1340.72 more uh uh public, I think. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1340.72 1341.79 But you're the marketing man. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1338.87 1340.57 A younger uh Huh. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1342.82 1352.69 And it's also quite easy to use, so it'll it uh attract younger people because well new, and it might attract older people because it's easy to use. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1353.96 1354.35 Geez. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1357.11 1358.27 Well, volume and 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1364.07 1364.95 something uh 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1366.5 1367.44 like that. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1367.68 1368.81 Uh-huh. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1368.57 1370.85 The programme up and down. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1370 1370.92 Okay, yeah. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1371.73 1376.01 And the vol yeah, the pen doesn't uh really does what I want. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1378.59 1380.06 Okay, that's good. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1403.2 1409.95 We need to find a balance between uh the advanced techniques and and the user-friendliness. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1396.56 1403.2 Um however, uh keeping it simple is is important for the costs and all all those kind of things. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1389.1 1396.56 Um Ruud just told us um the market is interested in some advanced uh new techniques. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1381.19 1389.1 Okay, but w we still we're still in the question of uh um uh putting in advanced options. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1404.72 1405.01 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1413.42 1418.08 So I don't think it's um we have something to do. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1410.06 1413.42 But I think our our next step to look at is just that. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1418.08 1424.48 Uh we can't discuss it right now, because n no one of us have has the information to discuss about that, 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1429.79 1430.45 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1424.68 1429.79 Um well, for we do have to uh decide this this meeting. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1430.45 1437.8 We need to um have the uh the user function uh the functions decided and um 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1425.67 1426.13 I think. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1429.43 1429.82 Yes? 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1435.02 1435.33 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1438.78 1439.28 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1438.94 1440.49 uh our target audience. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1440.58 1443.57 'Kay, but teletext is so uh is just scrapped. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1440.61 1440.93 Okay. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1444.65 1446.47 Do you want an explicit list? 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1446.47 1450.03 Uh which uh incorporates all function available on the device? 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1442.92 1444.65 Do do you want a list of functions? 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1450.26 1458.33 Um well, I do not want a full uh it's not necessary to to have a full list, but I want um the kind of functions 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1458.33 1463.44 for example uh th the most important are volume and uh programme selecting. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1458.35 1459.66 Okay. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1459.66 1460.1 Okay. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1463.59 1463.9 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1464.04 1464.97 The ten digits. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1470.43 1472.74 l how is the remote going to look? 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1472.74 1474.48 Not not in the user interface, but 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1465.8 1470.43 Well, for example, that that's what we should think about. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1482.2 1490.15 when you have uh something on channel four and something on channel six, just one button which which can uh change yeah. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1474.87 1482.2 The the the the programme to programme button, the switch to uh two channels,
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1472.66 1474.87 Oh, and just one function. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1482.19 1483.52 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1483.52 1483.8 Yes. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1485.6 1485.84 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1500.22 1505.49 Uh Ruud, um what's your last name? 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1489.25 1490.97 Uh l like Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1488.08 1489.25 A bit of a split mode. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1490.97 1493.37 Dual channel watch. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1493.37 1500.22 Okay, well um m maybe I should write that down. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1490.13 1490.7 Yes, yes. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1488.2 1490.13 Change. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1492.31 1492.59 Yes. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1492.9 1493.13 Yeah. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1497.74 1501.1 Well you're the secretary. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1506.21 1506.88 Mielsen. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1513.71 1514.41 Right. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1514.41 1519.6 Um I put all the minutes I make into the shared folder. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1507.64 1513.71 Mielsen, because I I was writing it down in the last uh Mielsen. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1523.99 1524.77 Um 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1519.6 1523.99 So if you want to have a look at it, you know where to find it. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1523.05 1529.83 Mm okay, but make a s make a sub-folder for it, because it's starting to fill up already. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1523.9 1524.18 Alright. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1527.33 1531.93 Yeah, that's that's if you want to do it, Sebastian. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1527.63 1527.81 Yeah. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1529.9 1533.16 Sure. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1530.2 1533.82 Our B. S. C. uh W. uh 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1534.99 1536.53 Okay, um 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1538.38 1542.06 Okay, so so um uh 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1545.23 1546.04 Volume. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1546.04 1546.69 Programme. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1550.16 1550.59 Uh 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1548.22 1550.16 Uh dual channel. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1550.79 1552.04 Yes, that's important. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1552.44 1554.08 And and do we want um 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1555.68 1557.13 The ten digits? 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1557.13 1558.15 Yeah, I believe so. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1555.69 1556.79 the ten digits? 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1559.44 1560.22 I'm not so sure. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1557.4 1559.44 Well, are are you sure? 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1558.77 1562.38 Well, if you want to go to channel ninety and you have th that button. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1562.44 1562.74 Yeah. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1562.68 1566.37 Well, that's complicated, but is that so relevant? 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1566.37 1569.77 Because I don't think but you should uh shou you should know that. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1564.15 1564.47 Yeah. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1568.93 1570.32 I wouldn't buy it personally. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1571.46 1572.27 If it were so. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1571.69 1574.43 A remote control without the ten digits. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1574.43 1576.25 Uh and I think the most 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1573.79 1575.39 Okay, I can imagine when 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1575.52 1576.89 I agree actually. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1594.38 1594.88 That's enough. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1584.49 1590.46 But if you're uh a regular T. V. user, and you just want uh to watch the the Dutch television networks,
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1590.46 1594.38 well, you can uh you can use uh about ten buttons. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1577.2 1584.49 I can imagine when you're when you have a satellite decoder and and you have, well, about six hundred channels, I can imagine you want this. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1577.34 1580.53 Just elder elder people would would buy it, but 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1578.47 1578.91 Well 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1594.34 1597.15 But we do have thirteen different Dutch channels. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1594.79 1595.11 But 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1595.3 1595.52 Yep. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1597.59 1598.94 Yeah, and if if we 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1597.61 1599.72 The older people only use five of them. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1597.77 1601.45 Well, but how how often do you watch all these channels? 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1600.19 1606.71 And if we are targeting at the younger audience, they will probably watch more channels than the older people. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1606.71 1607.19 So 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1601.38 1601.81 Often. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1607.06 1608.21 No, you're probably right. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1609.03 1609.34 Yeah. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1609.88 1613.67 But I think these uh ten uh buttons look a bit dull. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1609.37 1609.88 Okay. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1613.67 1614.14 Don't you think? 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1614.52 1618.47 Well, it depends on the on the on the looks, on the on the 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1618.21 1621.76 Well, y then there should be should done be done something specific with it. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1616.39 1617.76 The design. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1617.76 1618.21 Okay. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1616.99 1617.65 On the design. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1619.4 1619.68 Well 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1620.56 1624.86 You c you can d make them very fancy by um 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1621.46 1621.75 And 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1632.4 1634.57 So I'm I'm I do not agree 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1626.3 1632.4 I mean Nokia, they have ten digits on their phones and it still looks very fancy. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1630.47 1630.85 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1632.34 1632.54 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1635.25 1635.51 Uh 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1642.53 1642.92 Okay. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1635.56 1642.53 Okay, so you can experiment by uh with with shape or with size or with colour, that kind of thing. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1641.37 1642.56 Exactly, exactly. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1649.76 1655.22 Uh it might be expensive and uh hard to implement, but it would be a solution uh 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1642.68 1649.76 And um there are some numbers about uh speech recognition here that uh younger people would like it. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1656.36 1657.5 Okay, speech. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1656.79 1657.23 for 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1661.56 1670.64 So um when you add uh speech recognition to your remote control, uh it's very easy to change uh the channel. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1657.88 1661.56 Well, maybe it can be combined with the find the remote control. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1670.64 1671.7 That's one thing. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1671.7 1674.81 And it's very easy uh to find your remote control. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1660.9 1661.16 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1670.12 1670.53 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1673.35 1674.92 To find yeah. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1680.81 1682.91 But maybe when we uh 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1675.81 1680.81 So maybe that's a possibility, but I'm afraid it will be a bit costly. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1680.21 1680.46 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1680.83 1681.1 Uh 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1683.75 1694.78 If if we would um drop the ten digits but keep the programme and the volume, because maybe people do not always want to use their voice, um 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1687.57 1687.84 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1690.13 1690.5 Okay. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1692.77 1693.65 Okay, okay. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1694.34 1697.77 Especially elder people uh don't like voice recognition. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1697.77 1700.77 So then we should implement such a but 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1704.27 1706.33 We d it it's a board uh decision. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1701 1701.61 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1701.61 1704.27 But we do focus on younger people. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1704.55 1705.45 Okay. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1706.42 1709.58 I I think it should uh should work, it sh we should manage that. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1705.45 1706.42 Well. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1704.57 1704.87 Yes. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1709.54 1715.1 So we have to i to make um a decision between the ten digits or the voice recognition. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1710.14 1710.53 Okay. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1719.05 1726.87 It's mas it makes it very easy for us to implement the find uh find the remote control button uh remote control function. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1715.1 1715.95 Yes. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1715.95 1719.05 Well, the voice recognition has the main adva has another advantage. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1726.28 1726.61 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1729.2 1731.32 So that's that's a big advantage, I think. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1729.57 1729.99 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1731.68 1732.65 Okay, g good. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1749.33 1749.8 Okay. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1769.77 1776.79 There are some uh hybrid hybrid devices which incorporate a solar panel and rechargeable batteries. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1760.1 1766.66 So we can expect that there will be a less longer life to the batteries. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1753.53 1760.1 Um the power saving power saving will be a bit more difficult. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1749.95 1753.53 There's only one disadvantage uh by implementing this. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1776.79 1781.54 So when you just leave the device in a in a light room, it charges itself. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1766.66 1769.77 But maybe can we we can think something smart about it. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1781.54 1782.69 You have to do nothing for it. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1766.66 1766.86 Mm. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1769.67 1769.85 Yep. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1777.83 1778.14 But 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1776.65 1777.83 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1781.69 1784.61 But but can we manage it bu uh for the costs? 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1783.12 1783.24 M 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1784.49 1787.65 Twelve dollar fifty. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1785.22 1789.1 Maybe, maybe not. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1789.1 1789.96 I'll have to find that out. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1785.4 1787.5 Because it seems like a very 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1787.68 1793.54 And uh if we if we could inc uh include a c a cradle in which it could recharge, 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1793.67 1794.89 Yes. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1794.89 1795.39 So 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1798.07 1798.64 'Cause when 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1794.88 1798.07 then there wouldn't be uh a big problem. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1797.69 1798.64 No, that's very cheap. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1799.18 1800.19 Is a cradle very cheap? 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1802.26 1805.56 It's just a a case with two uh metal contacts. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1799.2 1801.05 It's Oh, it's very cheap. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1801.05 1802.26 That's no problem. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1806.38 1808.59 I know, b uh but there should be an adapter as well. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1806.54 1807.19 It's 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1808.49 1810.42 Yes, but they're they're mass production. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1810.42 1811.13 They're very cheap. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1811.13 1814.59 So it will cost us p practically nothing. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1809.39 1809.62 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1811.33 1811.75 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1818.04 1818.67 Um 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1814.6 1815.23 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1815.23 1818.04 We we have uh about ten minutes left this meeting. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1819.72 1831.33 I would like to hear um maybe maybe you all have th uh things not um spoken about, yeah, but that are important. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1831.33 1835.54 Uh Ruud, you you came up with the voice recognition uh data. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1835.54 1838.52 Uh are there other things about the market we should know? 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1841.18 1846.77 Um I think we dealt with the most important information. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1846.77 1853.63 Just that the younger part of uh the market isn't the forty percent we uh 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1854.82 1855.99 want to sell to. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1864.77 1870.59 But with uh buttons like that, which are easy to use, we uh might attract them too. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1870.59 1870.96 So 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1857.48 1864.77 So we we should uh for least a bit uh look at the uh older people. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1865.13 1865.6 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1871.65 1872.08 Okay. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1871.74 1873.14 I don't think that's a big problem 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1873.81 1873.97 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1874.19 1879.82 Okay, so although we are focussing on younger people uh to make it uh profitable uh 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1880.3 1881.05 Yeah, profitable. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1879.46 1880.3 Yes. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1880.2 1880.66 Profitable. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1881.97 1886.95 We we yeah, we still need to take in account the the bit older people. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1886.95 1888.61 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1888.61 1889.42 O okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1881.2 1881.97 Profitable. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 1886.5 1886.74 Yes. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1891.37 1892.37 Um Roo. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1893.59 1896.23 I have nothing uh nothing to add, I think. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1895.4 1896.12 Nothing to add. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1899.2 1899.73 Sebastian? 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1900.2 1907.24 Um I just want to make a summary of all all things uh spoken and uh the different possibilities. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1907.24 1907.73 Um 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1903.61 1903.94 Yeah? 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1905.04 1905.39 Great. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1925.53 1934.61 But I think there's a big advantage in making it more elaborate by uh implementing uh speech techniques, uh voice recognition, that these kinds of things. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1909.3 1915.15 so uh basically we've decided to implement a seemingly uh easy design. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1915.15 1922 So on the outside it looks easy, but uh we can make it easy on the inside or elaborate on the inside. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1922 1925.53 So that's one the those are the choices we have to make. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1932.12 1932.52 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1934.87 1935.05 Yeah. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1952.91 1963.42 The disadvantage is that there are some concerns about uh the the costs and um the things like uh battery lifetime, energy saving. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1942.38 1952.91 Um there are some advantages and some disadvantages, and the main advantage is that we can implement uh fancy techniques, which uh I think our customers will like. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1935.43 1942.38 Um it makes it also more uh attractable, I think, to our uh audience. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1963.42 1969.06 Uh another advantage is that the circuit board will become much more easier if we do not do not implement these buttons. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1962.7 1962.88 Yep. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1989.64 1990.08 So 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1977.31 1987.37 So that's another well, it wa it w it was an issue, but we also thought that we already thought we should do it as cheaply as possible. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1969.51 1977.31 If we just add uh uh a chip which does the voice recognition, uh our circuit board will become even more cheap. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1987.37 1989.64 And this even uh makes it more cheapy. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1977.94 1979.49 Yeah, and that was the main issue, right? 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1979.49 1980.54 The the board 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1987.06 1987.28 Yeah. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1994.08 1994.87 The circuit board. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1989.74 1994.08 But the cheaper the ch uh the the chip or th what was it? 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1993.14 1994.1 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1994.1 1994.95 The circuit board. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1993.96 1994.41 The board. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 1996.05 1999.1 The fewer buttons you can use on it. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 1998.62 2002.22 The fewer buttons you have, the ch ch the cheaper the circuit board, yes. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 1998.73 2000.34 No, it's th yeah. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 2000.64 2001.6 Yeah, okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2001.44 2002.73 It's the other way around, yeah. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 2002.71 2002.91 Yeah. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2003.19 2008.56 And it's very cheap uh to incorporate uh uh an integrated circuit, a chip. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2008.56 2009.17 So that's 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2010.57 2011.6 that's another advantage. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2010.76 2011.7 It shouldn't be a big issue. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 2011.74 2017.74 Well it then we should just uh take a look at the costs and uh especially for the voice recognition. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2012.44 2012.9 So 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2014.88 2016.63 Yes, because I don't know 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2019.52 2019.92 So 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2017.68 2018.32 Yes. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2018.32 2019.52 I d I really don't know. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 2020.16 2020.4 No. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2021.34 2022.08 It can be costly. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2022.08 2022.58 Maybe not. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2021.38 2022.96 Okay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2031.3 2033.08 Um I'm not sure how how that 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2029.36 2031.3 Maybe you will get some information on that. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2022.96 2029.36 I'm not sure how how we'll f uh determine the costs, I will have a look at it. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2029.78 2029.96 Yes. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2031.31 2037.45 Yes, I al I I hope my personal coach will uh have a lo uh look at it. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2035.19 2035.38 Yep. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2038.23 2039.71 Okay, great. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2039.71 2040.45 Um 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2041.53 2044.48 well, I think we're qui quite done. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2044.48 2046.83 Um for now we will have the lunch break. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 2042.37 2043.21 We're done, I think. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2047.52 2048.01 How nice. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2063.77 2067.64 Um I will put the minutes I just made in the project documents folder. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2048.38 2053.81 Um I'm don't know how long the break will be, but we'll find out. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2071.35 2082.53 Um the Interface Designer, um I would like to the next meeting I would like to receive the uh components concept. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2053.81 2063.77 Um then we will have thirty minutes of time to perform our individual work, uh and I'm sure your personal coaches will uh assist you with it. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2082.53 2086.99 Uh Roo, um from you I would like to see 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2067.64 2071.35 If you want to look at it um well, just do. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 2053.13 2053.51 Me neither. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 2086.05 2087.23 Interface industrial. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2088.48 2088.94 Uh 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2090.29 2092.08 I'm sorry, yeah, I'm sorry. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2097.28 2098.58 And um 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2092.08 2097.28 User Interface Designer, uh Roo, I would like to see the user interface c uh concept. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 2091.04 2093.46 Yeah. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2092.26 2093.28 Well, we understand. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 2099.21 2107.17 Uh the only problem is it that it depends on the divisions the decis uh decisions Sebastian makes. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 2108.58 2109.17 Well 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 2107.17 2108.58 About the voice recognition. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2106.9 2107.52 Well 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2114.36 2117.69 S just a a p a p a volume and a programme one. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2107.76 2110.84 Well, i it should be easy, that's w w what we concluded. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2117.69 2118.46 And um 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2110.84 2114.36 It should be an easy interface with not so much buttons. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2111.02 2111.3 Mm yes. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 2114.23 2114.4 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2119.73 2122.9 um yeah, some some fancy lights. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2122.9 2124.73 I think that's what we decided. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2125.87 2127.8 So we drop the voice recognition? 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2127.8 2128.46 Or Oh. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2132.48 2137.34 but um i I was talking about really the design of the 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2127.8 2132.48 No no no, we didn't but it shouldn't be integrated yeah, it's of course it's user interface 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2136.01 2137.33 Okay. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2137.33 2142.81 Well um do we really have to decide now or can we decide next meeting? 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2141.38 2141.65 No. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2144.51 2144.67 Yep. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2142.8 2144.51 We can decide the next meeting. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2144.04 2144.36 Okay. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2145.57 2148.13 Because I'll have some updated info on that uh 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2148.38 2150.34 I guess all of you have i updated info. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2155.71 2160.89 And I'm sure the market will um uh 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2147.8 2148.38 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2150.34 2155.71 I'm sure the marketing expert will receive uh t uh you will do some trend watching. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 2150.57 2150.96 Yep. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 2156.41 2156.62 Hmm. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2161.88 2167.8 uh will change, adapt and um so we will see that. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2167.8 2170.35 Um yeah, that's it for now. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 2163.3 2163.79 Adapt. 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2163.36 2163.84 Adapt. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 2163.83 2164.05 Left. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 2164.4 2164.5 Hmm. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 2169.78 2170.23 That's it. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 2171.25 2171.54 'Kay. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2171.54 2173.96 Any other questions or can we have the lunch? 
TS3011b H02 MTD042ID 2174.4 2175.19 We can have the lunch. 
TS3011b H03 MTD044ME 2176.17 2176.4 Yeah. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2177.94 2178.15 Good. 
TS3011b H00 MTD041PM 2176.58 2177.94 Yeah, okay. 
TS3011b H01 MTD043UID 2176.88 2177.56 I'll take the lunch. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 4.5 6.31 Because otherwise I will already open it. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1.64 4.5 Do you need to change anything on it? 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 4.36 4.79 Um 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 6.44 8.19 Mm, don't think so. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 8.52 8.86 Okay. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 10.25 12.68 Unless uh things have suddenly change again. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 14.06 15.01 Is it much changes? 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 15.67 16.32 Uh don't know. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 16.32 20.49 Maybe uh you've got new information, like uh last time. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 19.02 19.73 I do hot have 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 17.07 19.02 Uh I didn't No no. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 22.86 24.93 Only the same information. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 60.81 61.93 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 89.84 90.92 Hello, Sebastian. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 91.78 93.38 Hello hello Mister P. M. . 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 97.66 102.67 I believe uh Miss uh Tentel is with us as well, in the control room. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 104.29 107.28 Well, that's where the thinking goes on. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 111.1 115.77 Oh, it's that Roo again, always late. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 115.77 117.08 Bongiorno. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 116.91 117.59 Bongiorno. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 117.99 119.96 I think you should punish him. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 119.96 122.05 You're the P. M. . 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 120.34 120.91 Hmm. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 120.46 122.06 Punish. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 122.39 124.68 I see some interesting okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 124.75 125.96 Possibilities, yeah? 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 125 126.29 You wish. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 127.07 130.03 People, welcome back. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 130.77 132.47 Welcome. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 132.47 133.68 Uh 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 132.07 133.69 The third meeting. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 140.32 150.99 Um first of all, um if you make minutes yourself as well, uh like Sebastian does, um could you put them on the shared folder? 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 133.69 140.32 Um I have some points I would like to uh some some issues I would like to point out. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 132.85 133.16 Oop. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 158.04 164.18 so I could uh can uh um use that in the in the report. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 164.18 167.05 Um the second thing, um 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 152.6 158.04 If you do not make minutes, no problem, but it's easy for me to see what you uh wrote down 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 156.09 156.28 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 168.86 175.08 I was th uh s thinking to myself, I have this little remote control,
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 175.08 181.27 and I'm talking to it, but I still need to point to the television, because it works with infrared. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 183 184.83 That's quite strange. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 186.36 186.72 Yes. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 187.37 188.61 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 188.61 190.91 We'll come to that later, I g I think. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 190.91 197.69 Um the agenda for now uh uh are there any pre-discussion questions? 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 188.23 188.59 So 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 200.14 200.48 No. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 200.21 200.78 Not at all. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 200.6 200.77 No. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 201.81 213.56 Um we wi we will have your individual presentations, uh then the decision on the remote control concept, um and uh the closing. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 226.16 237.11 Um I think it might be smart to look at uh Ruud's um information first, because I understood there are some uh significant changes in the market situation. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 201.02 201.81 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 215.66 226.16 So um I think we we can immedis immediately start with the individual presentations, um the progress you've made. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 213.56 215.66 Forty minutes in total for this. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 222.65 222.97 Okay. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 232.85 233.14 'Kay. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 236.37 236.53 Hmm? 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 237.87 238.36 Alright. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 238.88 239.19 Oh. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 255.22 256.99 Just press the okay button, it works. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 256.47 257.23 Yeah, 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 260.47 260.79 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 263.88 265.14 Um yeah. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 264.33 265.02 Yeah. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 265.02 265.38 Yeah. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 269.33 271.7 My method? 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 270.35 273.75 How surprising. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 274.42 275.35 Well, findings. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 275.35 275.72 Uh 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 286.45 293.1 And uh some fashion watchers have found out that the young target group likes fruit and vegetables 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 276.75 286.45 Ease of use is important, but uh innovation is more important, and a fancy look and feel is uh even more important. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 295.45 300.69 in their uh clothes, shoes and furniture, and that they want spongy material. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 301.75 303.89 Probably watch too much Sponge Bob. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 309.08 310.83 Simple shapes uh m material. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 306.02 309.08 Uh the older group uh still prefers dark colours. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 310.83 313.22 But we since we are concentrating on uh 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 314.37 315.26 the younger group 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 319.2 321.7 Um because I'm taking minutes and it 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 314.42 319.2 Uh w wait a sec wait a se uh could you go to the previous slide? 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 315.11 315.75 Oh wait uh wait up. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 322.1 322.29 'Kay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 325.52 326.3 Yeah okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 322.73 325.52 Um were the important themes enclose. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 326.3 328.33 The feel of to be spongy 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 328.62 338.12 Uh so do you think um when fruit and vegetables are important for clothing and shoes that they are in remote controls also? 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 346.2 351.61 Not uh specifically uh an apple as a remote control or something. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 338.34 346.2 Well, uh one example given was this, so um I assume they just want something colourful. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 347.62 348.9 Not something dull. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 350.38 350.94 Okay. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 350.87 353.16 But they like dark colours, you said in the p 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 352.88 356.76 No, uh the younger group likes uh more colourful 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 356.84 357.28 Okay. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 357.85 358.18 uh 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 359.65 360.92 objects. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 360.92 361.37 But 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 364.29 365.61 I had 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 359.74 364.29 Well then I suggest that the corporate colours are grey and yellow. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 364.3 366.34 But can you can you go back to that slide? 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 366.34 368.96 The uh just one slide back, no no no. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 367.6 367.87 This? 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 366.77 367.6 Which one? 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 370.28 370.52 Yes. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 372.96 375.6 Okay, and the feel of the material has to be spongy. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 376.6 376.82 Yes. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 377.8 382.72 Has it something to do with that uh natural feeling also, do you think? 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 387.46 391.07 But personally I wouldn't like a sponge as a remote control. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 391.07 391.32 But 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 382.8 387.46 Uh well, it might. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 393.06 395.9 Maybe soft material or something. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 395.9 397.44 But not a real sponge. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 396.12 400.08 Okay, so so, yeah, it might not be t uh it it shouldn't be too hard. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 400.08 404.31 It it maybe it rubber or or yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 404.31 405.56 Okay. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 402.18 402.78 Yeah, exactly. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 406.76 413.42 Yeah, and like uh the older group likes familiar materials, but that doesn't mean we should use wood, 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 408.82 409.89 Or we could make oh. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 414.66 415.28 So 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 415.23 417.19 Okay. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 421.04 424.42 But since we're conten concentrating on uh the younger group, 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 418.22 421.04 Well, this this is an example of what they would like. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 426.26 428.54 I think we should use soft materials 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 429.94 436.53 and uh make it colourful or uh like cell phones, exch exchangeable covers. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 438.1 438.32 Yeah. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 439 440.47 So we could provide 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 441.73 445.05 both for the young and the old what they like. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 445.92 446.84 Well, that's interesting. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 447.34 448.51 It's quite interesting. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 448.1 454.19 You could make a few v very colourful ones, and uh a very traditional co cover. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 450.85 451.33 Yeah, o o 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 453.49 453.79 Yes. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 462.17 463.74 It's the it's the rubber uh 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 458.37 462.17 The yellow uh rubber telephone. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 453.6 458.37 I'm thinking about uh the Bananarama telephone uh telephone from uh Siemens. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 460.54 461.33 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 464.15 465.6 Yeah, it is, it is i yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 469.07 471.83 We have the fruit, we have the colours. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 465.89 467.21 And it's uh colourful. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 467.21 469.07 It looks likes a banana. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 464.84 465.89 cover. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 471.83 472.91 We have the simple design. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 467.24 467.44 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 471.81 472.51 Do you know the phone? 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 472.91 475.12 I don't know the phone, but I can imagine it. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 473.91 480.42 It's the Siemens uh C. twenty five, I believe it's it's the one the Post-bank uh gave away, the very 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 475.72 477.39 Um thirty five. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 480.26 482.01 Now I kn uh oh, I know, I know. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 478.84 480.26 Oh, that one, yes. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 479.8 483.2 And the b the light blue and it's also in yellow. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 483.36 484.66 Yes, I I've seen it. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 484.66 485 I've seen it. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 487.01 487.44 About th 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 484.95 487.01 You kn you know, Ruud, as well? 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 487.15 488.4 I've seen it, but 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 491.19 493.33 Um uh okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 488.47 490.19 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 493.33 496.73 Do you have uh thit that was Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 504.53 511.25 And um colouring is important and and uh soft materials. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 490.19 491.19 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 496.73 504.53 Okay, so the the m uh important findings are uh innovation is more important than ease of use for the our target group. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 511.25 511.72 Okay. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 493.38 494.34 'Kay. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 494.34 495.15 Uh that's about it. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 503.88 504.18 Yes. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 509 510.24 Uh soft material. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 516.6 518.16 And what was even more important? 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 511.53 516.6 So So ease of use is important, but technology is twice as important. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 520.66 522.45 Uh the fancy look and feel. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 522.67 525.24 So that's the most important thing for our customers. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 522.16 522.67 Okay. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 525.04 525.52 Apparently. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 524.2 525.04 Yes. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 532.08 533.12 Okay, Roo, 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 535.52 535.82 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 536.32 538.16 could you do your presentation? 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 538.11 538.52 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 543.45 550.5 Well, I don't ha really have much to add, um because most of things we already said in uh 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 552.53 553.95 the previous uh discussion. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 555.66 556.17 Um 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 560.69 565.67 Okay, well it's good to to sum up uh the things we already thought about. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 580.99 591.32 These are both with uh with voice recognition, but they're very advanced and very high-tech and just um, well, a weird um 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 566.65 576.29 Uh the previous ideas were voice recognition and uh the round button for uh the p channel programming and uh volume. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 576.29 580.99 Well, a few interface I uh I found on the internet are are these. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 592.08 592.46 Shape. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 607.41 613.71 So I made a really simple f uh a shape on uh in um 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 603.66 604.38 But it didn't work. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 594.16 603.66 So I suggest I couldn't uh I had a small uh mock-up uh sign on the on paper. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 592.54 594.16 shape. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 604.38 607.41 My pen didn't load um the information. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 616.29 623.19 But we could make uh a round uh an oval uh um remote control. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 623.19 623.77 Uh yellow. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 614.87 616.29 PowerPoint. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 621.89 625.41 But it's it's kind of uh it's kind of o organic, so that's very good. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 621.46 621.89 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 639.28 648.09 Um it shouldn't be too uh glatt, too slippery, s because um 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 627.22 639.28 And what I'm thinking about, maybe um we should make very light but um uh a grip um I mean this is how you hold a remote control. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 625.96 627.22 Yeah. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 626.46 626.69 Yeah. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 638.13 638.4 Yes. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 643.88 644.4 Slippery. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 651.39 653.91 So it's easy in your hand Uh indeed. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 647.49 651.39 But if you have something like uh the Siemens phone, it's rubber. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 647.79 648.5 You have to grab it. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 651.41 652.13 Yeah, exactly. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 650.32 651.41 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 653.35 653.57 Yeah. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 666.7 668.34 It's it's a lot easier. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 662.37 666.7 So you you don't have to um attain much pressure to it. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 654.17 660.4 There are there are also remote controls who have uh a little shape underneath where you can put your fingers in 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 653.54 654.17 Yes. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 668.34 668.64 So m 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 660.4 662.37 so you can get a really good grip on it. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 658.69 660.59 Yeah, ex for your fingers, yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 660.87 661.07 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 670.49 671.43 Yeah, okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 667.39 668.35 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 668.35 670.49 It grips automatically. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 670.13 671.03 Yes. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 671.03 674.03 But I'll I'll go into that deeper in my presentation. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 674.07 675.18 Okay, good. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 675 676.39 Great. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 695.91 704.57 well, the the fancy colours and uh and so on, and still have the ease of use, because we have an easy interface. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 709.91 710.15 Yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 684.29 695.91 Oh and um to add on um Ruud's information, in this um interface we can have uh high-tech with the voice recognition and uh,
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 704.57 709.91 And all the other remote controls are high-tech in buttons and uh and so on. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 708.49 711.66 Way too much I think for our goal, yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 707.48 708.49 Yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 711.96 717.95 So if you have the voice recognition, you can you can programme like thirty uh um 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 719.11 721.71 Okay, b but I think we'll yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 719.19 721.05 thirty c uh controls on it. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 753.04 760.77 Uh that's the most common uh remote con control form uh we're used to is just a it ju it's just a box. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 725.51 737.41 Um I had a talk with uh our manufacturing uh division, and uh we had a talk about all the different components um who are in this design. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 750 753.04 We have the uncurved or flat case. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 719.67 725.51 Okay, but I'll I'll go into that, because there are are some possibilities and some impossibilities. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 760.77 763.02 I'm sorry I I don't have any pictures of uh of this thing. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 741.02 745.77 And of course I used the web to uh find my information. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 745.77 750 About the casing, we have three different casing possibilities. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 737.41 741.02 Uh these are the things we've looked at. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 786.42 789.31 The the big remote control, something like that. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 789.31 792.35 But it's quite uh advanced and it's 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 765.56 767.27 It's uh curved in two dimensions. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 774.71 779.11 Uh and we have an even more advanced uh shape, which is curved in three dimension. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 767.27 770.6 You have to imagine it's a bit like a wave form. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 763.34 765.56 We have uh a curved one. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 770.6 774.71 So it's uh a little more advanced in its in its shape. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 779.11 786.42 I c I think you can compare it a little bit with the uh big grey image uh you had in your presentation. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 771.42 771.83 Okay. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 785.83 786.05 Yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 787.4 787.63 Right. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 827.71 832.14 Which brings me to the different energy sources. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 841.61 846.7 You really have to imagine like winding up your uh I d 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 811.07 814.08 We can use wood and titanium. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 801.42 806.2 We can use plastic, which is uh very slippery and maybe not so nice,
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 806.2 811.07 but you can give it any colour, uh which is the same for rubber, but it's not slippery. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 818.52 827.71 And these latex cases, there's there's just the plastic ones uh won't allow the use of solar cells as an energy source source. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 832.14 841.61 Um well, we even seem to have uh hand dyn dynamos for uh powering our uh remote controls. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 794.02 796.85 it's quite daring to to use I think. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 796.85 801.42 Um for these casings we have uh different types of finishing. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 814.08 818.52 Well, um we cannot use the titanium on the double curve cases. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 843.39 846.32 Great. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 846.21 850.8 Well, it would be very new to the market, but 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 848.64 853.08 It would be very new, but it's a kind of a retro uh style, I think. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 853.08 856.41 Uh Well, this is quite interesting. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 859.35 872.21 So um when you're watching T. V. uh or when you're you you have to um make some kind of energy kinetic energy by shaking the remote or throwing it against the wall 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 872.21 873.62 whatever you wish. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 877.36 879.79 And you can store the energy in the in the thing. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 856.41 859.35 Uh there's there's also a kinetic energy supply. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 873.62 877.36 It have it it has to move, that's the the sense of it. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 852.66 855.58 Yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 862.52 863.21 Like the watch. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 889.49 896.04 I mean solar is of course it's nice, but it's, well, your uh your calculator has a solar panel. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 896.04 897.59 Um hand dynamo 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 880.64 889.49 I think um, if if I can hook on to that, um the kinetic thing is very funny. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 887.01 887.29 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 888.52 889.58 It's very funny indeed. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 892.69 893 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 895.49 895.85 Indeed. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 896.64 903.79 But if you're watching a movie, how many times uh you take the the remote control and and if uh if you have a watch 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 903.79 907.66 you have the kinetic uh idea in a watch also. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 907.66 910.89 You you walk and uh but uh you you're sitting on a couch. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 901.84 902.96 Well, maybe m 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 906.99 907.76 Yeah, I know. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 908.31 909.28 Yes. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 929.54 939.79 So I think uh you have a problem when you're watching a movie and uh you haven't moved the remote uh i remote control in a in an amount of time,
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 907.03 908.31 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 923.87 929.54 But uh the problem here is that it it supplies a a very little amount of kinetic energy. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 943.76 946.15 So that's something you have to keep in mind. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 909.28 916.24 But you know you know from your own watch your watch uses uh a minimal con it consumes a minimal amount of energy. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 916.24 923.87 the the shaking of your body, which is almost uh every activity makes your uh body shake, uh it charges it. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 939.79 943.76 and you want t to switch uh the channel or something, well, m it might not work. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 908.85 909.14 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 937.52 937.84 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 939.79 940.23 And wha 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 946.48 946.91 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 948.08 953.67 So, but maybe maybe there's a possibility com to combine it with m uh traditional batteries,
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 953.67 961.46 so we can save on the batteries and um when there's enough kinet kinetic energy, use the kinetic energy, and otherwise use the batteries. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 956.08 956.33 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 962.29 968.04 Okay, because I guess the voice recognition feature u consumes quite a f uh a lot of power. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 968.04 968.38 Yeah. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 969.05 970.29 I'll come to that later. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 995.89 998.28 So it's just like a mouse. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 970.29 973.82 And we of course have the traditional uh solar power 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 998.28 1000.33 You can scroll 'em, you can also push it. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 992.92 995.89 And these scroll-wheels can also be integrated with buttons. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 966.83 969.05 Uh yes, it does. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 985.09 992.92 The user interface controls, um of course we have the push-buttons and uh we also have scroll-wheels. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 973.82 985.09 which is just uh uh uh uh uh a piece of material on the remote control which transfers light energy into electricity. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 970.02 970.37 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1033.88 1037.38 the the thing with the the round with the four 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1024.6 1027.25 which are just two of these things. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1027.25 1033.88 So we don't really have the the kind of button we had in mind in our uh uh in our last meeting 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1001.76 1008.72 Um uh in the indicators we have the L. C. D. displays 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1008.72 1024.6 which means uh you can watch uh in a display w which channel you have chosen or something like that of the li amount of volume which is uh currently uh and we also have double scroll-buttons 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1012.92 1013.43 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1036.05 1036.39 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1037.57 1041.82 Oh, we can just make four push-buttons in a form of a round. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1044.59 1044.8 Yes. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1043.38 1044.59 That is possible too. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1042.29 1043.38 Yes. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1050.97 1055.79 I don't think there's any possibility for us to use scroll-wheels. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1045.14 1050.97 But I th I don't think uh the scroll-wheels I had some I had some information about it too. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1055.79 1061.48 I d I can't see uh any uh scenario where you would use a scroll-wheel with a button on it. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1049.86 1050.08 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1055.44 1055.91 Well 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1060.84 1065.27 Well, mayb uh well, m me neither. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1065.27 1067.26 Maybe when you integrate some functions. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1066.2 1068.32 This will be the remote, right? 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1068.32 1070.96 Um with uh maybe a channel selector. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1067.35 1067.64 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1073.94 1074.43 What about 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1075.52 1077.64 integrating a scroll-bar on this side? 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1077.33 1079.38 Yeah, uh that's a possibility, but 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1081.88 1083.23 It's quite quite good, yes. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1080.6 1081.88 Yes. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1078.01 1080.6 Uh it's do it's done before. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1079.19 1080.65 Because this is how you keep it 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1081.22 1081.85 But Flores, 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1083.77 1087.75 think about a scenario where y where you would use the scroll-button for 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1087.35 1087.84 Volume? 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1093.46 1097.43 There's no scenario where you use uh the button in the scroll-wheel. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1097.43 1098.73 You just use the wheel. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1088.4 1093.46 Well, it's it well, i what he means is there's an button integrated in the scroll-wheel. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1091.04 1092.07 A volume, okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1098.4 1099.74 Well, what about mute? 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1100.69 1101.43 About mute. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1101.43 1102 Well, yes. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1104.75 1107.88 And I can either on this side or this side um 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1101.5 1104.75 Thi i i m I guess uh th this is my volume button. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1103.05 1103.33 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1104.53 1104.78 Yes. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1106.75 1107.42 Well, okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1107.42 1109.3 Well, that that that's one possibility, okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1109.28 1111.31 And click it to muten the device. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1113.94 1114.5 It's quite goods. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1112.42 1113.94 Well, okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1118.85 1121.16 So I'm looking for a way to 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1113.68 1118.85 And and it makes it different from the traditional uh devices on this market. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1126.69 1132.39 So maybe um I guess that that's something you two uh need to think about. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1132.39 1136.63 Uh Ruud, wha what do you thing about uh a scroll-bar? 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1122.3 1126.69 uh make it a little different than the traditional ones. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1136.63 1138.01 Uh scroll-wheel. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1125.52 1125.8 Yes. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1124.67 1125.52 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1130.22 1130.45 Yeah. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 1136.59 1137.16 Um 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1137.51 1137.95 Wheel. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 1139.96 1143 Uh well, it's obvious obviously new. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 1143 1145.98 So it might attract uh the young customers. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1146.93 1147.49 Hmm. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1156.1 1156.49 And 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1155.02 1156.1 We use this. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1147.49 1155.02 But it's done before, uh there are many other devices um like uh telephones and our uh radio, pocket radios. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1147.16 1147.53 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1155.91 1156.13 Yeah. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1157.57 1162.58 Well, it's it's been done years ago and I don't see it anywhere now. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1162.58 1163.94 So maybe it's not no 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1170.23 1176.88 but on their side th the the volume button is on the side, because you gri grab it like this. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1162.77 1166.52 Well, all the Sony telephones use it, for example, for volume. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1166.52 1170.23 Nokia has a well, okay, it's not really a scroll-wheel,
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1175.14 1175.32 Hmm. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1177.13 1179.61 Yes, but it uses two separate buttons. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1179.98 1180.86 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1182.75 1183.2 No. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1180.86 1182.75 I know, it's not really a scroll-wheel. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1183.2 1183.4 Yeah. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1181 1183.22 It doesn't use a. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1183.22 1184.33 Well. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1184.33 1186.71 Uh something for uh Roo here. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1185.64 1186.75 For you too, yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1195.32 1202.1 You have your hand on one place on the remote control, so you have to place all the buttons in a range of your thumb. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1187.05 1195.32 Yeah, I believe uh if you have uh what we've earlier said, um the grip uh places in in the remote control. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1202.1 1206.13 So in that case uh the volume button on the side uh of the remote control would be perfect. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1200.13 1201.15 Wi within reach. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1201.15 1202.15 Yes, you have to. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1202.54 1202.69 Yes. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1204.34 1204.82 yes. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1219.82 1222.92 There's no way you can integrate scroll-wheels, because it's all curved. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1209.02 1217.46 Okay, um we have to know, if you want to use uh these rubber double-curved c uh case, um you must use these push uh push-buttons. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1205.85 1207.43 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1222.92 1227.78 There's there are no uh flat areas where you can incorporate these things. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1227.78 1230.58 So that's a limitation. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1207.43 1209.02 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1217.46 1219.82 There's no way you can integrate L. C. D. displays. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1208.14 1208.52 Um 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1206.8 1207.67 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1207.67 1208.14 Sebastian. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1223.13 1223.42 Yeah. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1236.25 1249.02 We basically have uh three types of chips we can use and uh these chips incorporate all the Logica and um um uh hardware that is needed to send uh to send a signal. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1230.66 1236.25 About um the components, uh just the hardware. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1252.03 1257.96 And there is something like a sample sensor and sample speaker, which is a little cryptic uh to me. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1249.02 1252.03 Uh we have a simple, regular and advanced chip. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1257.96 1262.29 But I think that's the the voice recognition thing that we are uh thinking about. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1272.66 1274.57 Of mute, let's say mute. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1289.53 1292.83 it repeats uh your saying. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1261.59 1265.35 Yeah yeah, you can um I have some information about it. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1265.35 1272.66 Uh in the voice recognition you say a word you can programme words like uh v uh volume up. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1276.36 1289.53 you m mute and you g you give um an uh an action to it that that's really the mute function and uh when you speak in the the remote control 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1292.83 1295.08 So that's the sample sensor. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1295.08 1301.91 So if you say mute, it says mute again, and then it's um well, I believe it's uh 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1274.57 1276.36 Um you programme it 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1269.97 1270.27 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1268.79 1269.97 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1272.58 1274.51 So so okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1271.74 1272.58 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1281.83 1282.08 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1284.4 1284.6 Yeah. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1294.68 1295.03 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1297.48 1297.71 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1303.09 1303.32 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1301.25 1303.09 It performs the action. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1307.18 1314 So you say mute, he repeats mute and you makes a computer sound mute, and then goes to the mute function. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1302.71 1307.18 Yeah, and then uh he he repeats its action what which he believes it is. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1303.97 1304.42 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1307.4 1307.6 Yeah. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1340.14 1346.96 And if we don't want to use uh any of these uh more advanced functions we can keep with the simple uh chip, which is a bit cheaper. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1314.1 1318.14 Okay, so that's basically the the voice recognition item we were searching for. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1324.39 1328.5 Um no op I'm not very sure. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1336.11 1340.14 If we want to use the scroll-wheels we need the regular version. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1318.69 1324.39 This sample sensor uh requires an regular chip, I thought. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1328.5 1330.08 No, it's not in here. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1330.08 1336.11 If we want to use the L. C. D. display, we really need the advanced version, which is a bit l little bit more costly. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1313.09 1314.1 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1318.14 1318.69 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1348.28 1351.72 Uh well uh d did we already decide on the display? 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1347.3 1348.28 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1348.62 1348.88 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1352.39 1352.74 To 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1352.39 1355.26 Um no, but I think that's something for uh Roo here 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1367.71 1369.77 Especially when when we have to look at a cost,
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1362.85 1367.71 but I don't think information uh y I don't think you need it on a display. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1357 1357.48 Yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1369.77 1377.99 I don't think uh 'cause uh uh all any T. V. can uh can uh view a digit on uh on screen, yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1357.48 1362.85 Well, I don't have um I haven't looked for uh for information about it 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1357.37 1358.06 to think about. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1367.46 1367.73 No. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1367.9 1368.85 I I don't think either. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1371.36 1372.19 I don't think you need it. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1370.98 1371.36 No. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1378.84 1379.41 Okay th 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1376.31 1377.92 On screen display. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1377.92 1378.84 Yeah. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1425.15 1432.25 It's in in in some way it can give us an advance, because you will save on your batteries. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1416.03 1420.9 It's it's more advanced, but I'm I think you should combine it with batteries. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1420.9 1425.15 Otherwise it will not too advanced, uh well. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1399.99 1406.52 Um I've chosen the more battery with solar cell uh solution for the energy. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1413.2 1416.03 The kinetic thing it it's it's a possibility. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1409.14 1413.2 So I don't think we should use the dynamo thing. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1395.9 1399.99 So maybe we should think about uh wood finish. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1432.25 1432.72 But 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1378.47 1379.72 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1406.52 1409.14 It's more reliable, it's cheaper. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1386.64 1395.9 I thought um the market would like uh a sort m sort of titanium casing, but they seem to like natural uh stuff. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1379.72 1386.64 Okay, well my conclusion, um unfortunately the market has decided the a little uh other than I thought. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1409.03 1409.86 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1409.86 1410.21 Good. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1412 1413.39 Kineti okay. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 1413.23 1413.39 Hmm. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1420.61 1424.59 Okay, it's maybe a bit too too flashy, too yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1432.3 1434.73 Yeah, but that that's the same with the solar cell. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1434.73 1435.5 That's no different. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1436.57 1437.31 It's more uh 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1434.42 1434.96 Yes. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1434.96 1436.57 And I think it's more robust. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1436.72 1437.7 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1437.7 1438.23 Okay. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1437.86 1439.89 But what about um the markets 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1438.14 1439.1 Uh it's more functional. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1440.59 1442.58 uh wants colourfuls 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1443.76 1445.56 uh designs? 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1445.56 1448.91 So if you use titanium 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1453 1455.86 But but yet, I understood that the market is different. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1447.42 1449.97 No no, but the uh um that's what Sebastian said. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1449.97 1453 He said uh this is what uh this is my personal preference. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1455.86 1456.67 So um 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1448.64 1449.78 The titanium thing uh 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1450.85 1451.88 we have to skip it. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1452.93 1453.35 Okay. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1455.82 1456.03 Yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1455.22 1455.82 Oh, sorry. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1455.86 1461.62 So I think we should skip the titanium uh stuff, and we should uh use wood or something like that. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1458.88 1459.11 Yeah. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 1461.67 1465.15 And yeah, the yeah, the older people liked wood. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1461.75 1462.58 And I would think 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1462.13 1463.45 No, r rubber with colours. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1466.27 1467.68 So it it needs to be rubber. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1465.33 1466.27 Oh okay, sorry. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 1466.69 1467.16 No the 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1468.15 1469.34 Colourful and 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 1468.25 1470.33 Yeah, the younger people liked soft material. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1468.55 1468.82 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1470.39 1473.52 Okay, spongy materials. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1481 1481.61 So 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1473.52 1481 Okay, um well um these scroll-wheels, I think uh they they can be they can be handy. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1470.53 1470.71 Yeah. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 1471.92 1472.35 Yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1481.22 1483.77 And they can be implemented with a regular chip? 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1484.48 1487.42 But they really need the regular chip, you cannot use the sa simple 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1483.81 1484.48 Yes, they can. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1486.56 1493.3 Okay, but we also uh we already need the regular chip for the sample uh sensor speaker oh, evalu 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1491.36 1493.54 Maybe that's an uh a different 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1490.33 1491.36 Well, I'm not very sure. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1492.75 1496.56 But but do we want the curved uh uh design, or 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1496.4 1506.16 I think so, if you if you stick with the the simple uh straight-forward uh not curve design, i uh it's too dull. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1506.16 1508.76 I don't think c our customers will like it. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1518 1521.13 So I think this is the best of two worlds. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1508.76 1518 And um if you uh take the double-curved, uh then you cannot um you can only use the rubber buttons and you cannot use the scroll-wheels. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1505.87 1506.13 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1503.53 1505.87 I it's too dull. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 1505.68 1505.86 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1516.2 1516.48 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1519.15 1519.45 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1518.01 1519.15 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1529.37 1536.42 Um the voice function w with the infrared uh issue. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1521.48 1529.37 Okay, what about um the issue I um addressed at the beginning of the meeting? 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1536.42 1537.91 Because it it's of cour 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1536.01 1536.28 Yes. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1537.55 1545.47 It's it's uh I uh I can imagine it's very dull to talk to a device w if you have to point to another device. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1545.47 1547.93 It's very unlogical. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1545.03 1545.26 Yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1548.25 1553.42 But most infrared uh remote controls don't have to be pointed at all. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1554.05 1556.35 Well the there has to be some pointing at. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1556.35 1556.64 But 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1554.29 1554.78 Well 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1557.11 1559.06 It depends also on your on your 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1565.97 1566.27 Yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1557.51 1565.97 Well, if you if you take your hand before it, okay, it won't work, but you can point it just to the other wall. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1578.16 1581.77 then um yeah, th th it might be a bit more of a issue. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1563.5 1565.65 Well, it depends on your walls actually. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1570.96 1578.16 But if you have carpets on the wall, which our natural loving friends probably do have,
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1565.65 1570.96 If you have uh have um smooth walls, it it it probably you're probably right. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1573.76 1575.61 All lights get absorbed, yeah. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1583.19 1586.81 Yes, because the walls they they reflect the infrared light. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1586.81 1591.37 So it has an it's easier. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1591.37 1595.39 Um I suggest we use the the sensor sample. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1595.39 1598.61 Uh the sample sensor and sample speaker. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1583.66 1584.38 So 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1585.92 1586.22 Yeah. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1599.64 1601.52 Um with a with a regular chip. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1600.15 1600.9 And the regular chip. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1602.93 1605.5 I think uh it gives us the advantage of 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1607.39 1607.58 Yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1604.93 1607.39 And and the scroll uh scroll-wheels. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1615.24 1615.44 So 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1608.57 1611.44 And uh skip and skip the L. C. D. part. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1606.95 1608.57 Yes, yes. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1611.44 1615.24 I don't think it it's any uh value added thing. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1608.44 1610.04 I like the scroll wheels uh idea. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1611.32 1611.58 Yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1614.12 1615.34 No. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1615.34 1616.13 Think so too. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1616.24 1624.06 Well, it looks uh yeah, well um according to Ruud, the the the market likes um new flashy technology,
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1624.06 1634.38 and I mean L. C. D. is well, ok I know, but it's m it's less um s standard than than 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1616.67 1616.93 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1622.13 1622.79 Technology. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1624.18 1625.45 Yes. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1625.45 1626.94 It's not very flashy and new. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 1632.11 1632.57 Standard? 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1635.95 1640.66 Well, we are not very w we do not know uh much about the the f the financial part. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1640.66 1641.76 That's the problem. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1641.76 1649.53 Because if we do have enough um space in in our finance, I would say do integrate it, because 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1640.97 1641.25 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1646.48 1646.74 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1650.84 1655.13 it it adds a little ext extra high-tech feeling to it. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1653.07 1653.38 Yes. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1655.2 1661.01 But we already have the scroll-wheels, the sp uh the speaker uh the speak recognition, the rubber, 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1659.74 1660.05 Mm yeah. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1664.78 1665.73 It's it's too much. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1661.46 1664.78 Uh I think our customers will go insane. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1662.33 1663.39 the fancy colours. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1663.83 1664.77 Okay, okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1667.23 1668.94 Okay, I I agree. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1665.84 1667.23 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1668.94 1673.31 I think i Ruud, do you have any um anything you would like to 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1674.87 1677.31 um add or or maybe thoughts or 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 1680.51 1680.69 M 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 1678.26 1680.51 Nah, um n no, I don't think so. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1681.54 1683.05 Sebast uh nee, Roo? 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1683.05 1684.52 Roo, do you have any other 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1681.04 1681.54 No? 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1683.62 1684.7 Um no. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1686.71 1687.45 Nothing more. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1687.48 1690.61 Nothing more. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1690.61 1691.75 Um 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1690.72 1691.08 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1692.74 1695.24 Uh the n the next phase will be um 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1693.52 1693.95 Sebas 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1696.37 1700.69 the um not the what is the next phase f Flores? 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1700.86 1705.69 Well, we we need to describe uh decisions now. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1705.69 1709.62 So um on the energy, well, we decided. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1709.62 1709.94 Chip. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1704.97 1705.37 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1706.31 1706.64 So i 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1708.22 1708.62 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1710.46 1710.83 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1716.86 1718.49 User interface um 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1711.27 1716.86 The case uh rubber with uh c one one uh one curve. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1714.59 1715.34 Okay, okay. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1725.44 1725.97 Sorry, yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1719.2 1724.55 Uh but uh can't scroll-wheels uh work with one uh one-curved case? 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1724.55 1725.44 Yeah, okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1725.72 1727.62 They cannot work with double-curved. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1724.52 1725.72 Yes, they can work. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1727.62 1728.82 That's that's problem. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1728.82 1729.48 I'll check it for you. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1727.93 1728.11 Yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1727.18 1727.93 Oh, sorry. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1729.59 1734.43 Um then the corporate identity should be uh in the product. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1734.43 1738.43 I guess that is something for Roo and Sebastian. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1738.43 1741.15 Uh you talked about it before, the colours, grey and yellow. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1741.27 1741.52 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1743.54 1747.03 And um the buttons, well we talked about it now. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1742.38 1743.54 Keep it in mind. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1758.23 1760.56 The user interface design. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1770 1775.93 Um and uh the I. D. and the U. I. D. need to work together on the prototype drawing on the SMARTboard. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1747.03 1758.23 The next phase, um Sebastian, um is um the design of the look and feel. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1760.56 1763.44 And for you, the product evaluation. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1763.44 1770 Um I'm sure your personal coach will give you more information on that. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1750.72 1751.04 Yes. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1756.26 1756.59 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1776.26 1776.58 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1777.82 1782.99 And I'm going uh to plan my holidays. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1781.38 1782.71 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1784.16 1784.59 Uh 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1782.71 1784.16 So you will be on the Bahamas. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1782.96 1785.37 The project drawing is for the next 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1786.74 1792.04 Yeah, it's it's uh when we come back in thirty minutes, uh you will have a uh prototype ready. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1789.07 1790.15 Yeah, right. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1792.63 1795.84 So can you uh give us a summary of all uh decisions we've made? 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1792.06 1792.63 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1800.44 1801.11 Great. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1797.53 1800.44 Um maybe one of you could write it down. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1801.11 1801.82 Um 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1796.91 1797.53 I can. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1796.1 1796.91 Yeah? 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1799.73 1800.17 I'll do. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1805.29 1806.51 Uh you you need to help me. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1806.51 1807.08 Um 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1807.7 1808.96 W start with the casing. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1806.81 1807.7 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1809.17 1812.3 The casing is curved, single-curved. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1810.98 1811.58 Single-curved. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1812.88 1813.19 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1811.25 1812.88 Okay, single-curved case. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1815.18 1816.36 What about the energy source? 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1817.48 1819.47 Traditional batteries uh and solar. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1819.68 1823.25 But can there be uh wor can they work together? 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1823.25 1825.91 Or do we have to choose between them? 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1825.91 1828.3 'Cause if we have to choose yeah? 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1828.03 1829.93 Uh al al I uh 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1826.29 1828.03 No, they can be complementary. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1827.98 1829.22 I I think they can. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1829.22 1829.43 Yes. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1829.66 1831.03 Okay. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1831.03 1831.77 What if not? 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1830.55 1831.1 Well, uh 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1831.34 1832.6 Every device 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1832.7 1833.67 It it should be. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1836.11 1838.25 That's no problem. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1835.03 1836.11 They can be supplementary. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1833.67 1835.03 There should be really no problem. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1838.25 1838.62 So 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1835.12 1835.44 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1838.08 1838.97 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1838.97 1840.58 Okay, um th 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1846.1 1846.41 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1840.23 1846.1 So uh uh just uh the energy source is um the batteries and the solar. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1843.94 1846.32 Battery and solar, yeah. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1848.89 1850.85 What about uh the finishing of the case? 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1851.98 1853.98 We have decided we wanted to use the rubber? 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1854.12 1855.81 Yeah, with colourful rubber. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1855.81 1866.64 Uh if it's possible with uh different um covers, but I'm not sure if our suppliers can uh can help us with uh with such uh uh a wish. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1854.36 1854.7 Yeah. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1871.43 1872.41 uh black and yellow. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1870.03 1871.43 Something like black and red. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1866.69 1870.03 Okay, and I think we should use the company colours. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1875.56 1875.86 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1873.51 1875.56 Uh grey and yellow or black and yellow. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1874.31 1874.91 Grey and yellow. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1875.04 1876.01 Grey yellow, okay. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1875.99 1878.65 Yellow case and grey buttons, I think. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1878.41 1881.51 Yeah, although I don't think that's very colourful. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1881.51 1888.43 Except for the yellow of course, but um I could think of a more uh attractive uh c uh set of colours. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 1878.85 1878.92 Hmm. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1887.85 1892.21 Oh, I think it's uh it's not very dull. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1892.21 1894.33 It's quite modern actually. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1894.33 1894.77 Don't you think? 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1896.36 1900.37 Well, I was more thinking about the fruit colours that the Ruud showed us before. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1896.73 1897.8 I believe the 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1900.77 1905.36 But you have already um you must have a red uh on and off button. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1906.85 1907.74 And um 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1908.27 1910.03 Well, it it doesn't have to be red. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1908.86 1910.67 Well well 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1919.98 1931.55 it should be a full colour cover with such an image or or I mean thinking in two colours is is too black and white for our m uh c uh market group 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1912.07 1917.84 Uh I mean th uh I think these colours are really what our young people are looking for. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1931.55 1932.04 I guess. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1917.84 1919.98 Um so maybe it shouldn't even be two colours 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1920.59 1920.83 Hmm. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1926.52 1926.91 Okay. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 1932.35 1933.33 Or black and yellow. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1933.73 1934.99 Black and yellow, yeah. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1943.98 1949.79 Because uh I agree it would be nice to have have something like that on the device itself. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1949.79 1950.24 But 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1936.44 1943.98 Okay, but uh I'm afraid it's not possible to print a picture on uh the device. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1952.85 1959.39 Just a week ago, a keyboard manufacturer would print, with and uh 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1949.94 1952.85 Well, there is. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1957.51 1957.8 Yes. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1956.13 1957.51 Oh, I've read. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 1956.76 1957.02 Yeah. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1959.17 1964.19 Yes, but our manufacturing department is not so advanced in its uh techniques. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1964.19 1965.98 They're actually very slow in its techniques. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1963.42 1965.35 No. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1966.63 1969.05 Okay, so we have to deal with wh what's possible here. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1966.81 1967.54 So 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1969.44 1970.79 So I'm afraid it's not possible. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1971.73 1973.55 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1976.63 1977.5 Um 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1973.55 1976.63 Um more f more more decisions we made. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1970.76 1971.73 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1980.22 1981.96 Um 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1983.66 1984.44 A scroll-wheel. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1984.74 1985.62 The scroll-heel. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1985.62 1988.07 Yes, the voice recognition we already decided. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 1987.12 1988.41 Voice recognition, of course. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1988.67 1989.81 Okay, so scroll-wheel. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1992.98 1998.4 And th the they should be spongy also, because they're they're rubber too. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 1989.81 1992.98 But there will be some additional buttons, I guess. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 1992.36 1992.86 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2000.87 2005.81 Uh I'm going to leave that up to you two. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2004.03 2004.93 What what did you say? 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2005.29 2012.88 Well uh you can use well, when you use the buttons, they'll they'll be made of rubber too. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2012.88 2016.48 So it has th the spongy uh feel also. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2016.48 2017.63 So I I think that's okay. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2013.15 2013.41 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2015.89 2016.24 Yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2018.87 2020.88 Yeah, or you could use plastic buttons. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2022.23 2022.88 In the rubber. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2025.98 2034.56 Because it uh i I mean what do you touch the button, and what do they want spongy uh uh devices, or or i 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2023.18 2025.98 I think rubber is nice. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2033.32 2033.8 Yeah, b 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2034.89 2041.9 But then you just have the the fact that um the drawings on the buttons will disappear eventually. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2044.98 2052.15 What I said in the in the first uh discussion, uh the digit six on the button, it will disappear when it's from rubber. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2052.48 2056.03 Uh is that uh does our our supplier say so? 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2054.84 2060.7 It is not uh something uh it's no information I read about it or so, but it's just from 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 2066.34 2070.69 'Cause things like uh volume could be uh placed next to the button. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 2059.66 2066.34 Uh didn't did we inc uh include the digi digits or uh leave them to the speech recognition? 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2064.48 2066.46 No, but but uh it 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2071.58 2075.19 You could place a um uh this this would be the button. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2070.65 2071.58 Yeah. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 2073.54 2074.55 There the icons. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2078.42 2079.23 And you could place 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2076.77 2078.42 The scroll-wheel, I mean. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2078.36 2079.02 Yeah, b yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2080.36 2082.71 the indica th th the signals the 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2080.76 2081.1 Yes. 
TS3011c H03 MTD044ME 2082.67 2085.29 So you don't touch the icons that much. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2083.13 2083.66 That's okay. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2083.35 2089.52 Yeah, that's possible, but then you have still the images on the rubber of the case. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2091.03 2099.15 So still then, if you feel uh li uh if you feel your remote control, you just rub on the cover, so you rub on the painting. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2100.33 2103.55 No no, there's no painting, only uh yellow or 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2102.51 2102.81 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2104.6 2106.4 But it's into the rubber. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2105.44 2107.63 Yeah, but but the the plus or the minus. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2108.36 2109 Yes, the signs. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2108.56 2109.48 You have to draw the 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2111.44 2115.73 Um I think uh I know which you understand af uh I know what you mean. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2108.91 2111.44 Yeah, but this is on the pla yeah, I know. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2115.73 2118.46 What about um making this rubber 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2110.4 2111.58 Yeah, it's on the cover. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2111.58 2112.6 So if you uh 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2114.37 2115.73 You just move the problem. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2120.02 2121.64 and making this plastic? 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2123.41 2124.39 Uh I see what you mean. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2133.83 2136.73 So maybe they can combine these two. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2125.44 2133.83 Well, maybe that's possible, because um uh our manufacturing division also offers plastic finishing. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2140.46 2144.17 A plastic cover with rubber finishing. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2145.92 2149.61 This is um what's on the edge. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2137.71 2140.46 Well actually, we should have it the other way around, I guess. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2151.39 2152.64 But the front, 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2149.61 2151.39 What you feel. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2137.27 2137.71 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2144.17 2145.92 I mean, this is this is the finishing. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2150.8 2151.01 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2157.46 2157.93 I mean 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2153.84 2157.46 on which the the buttons are doesn't have to be rubber. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2155.54 2155.78 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2157.48 2160.17 Well, I'm I'm not so sure, I think it c should be 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2159.14 2161.63 Y uh can you separate these uh these 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2165.69 2170.87 because our customers specifically ask for the spongy feel, and that's what you get with rubber. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2161.23 2165.69 Well, I'm not sure, I have to ask with manufacturing, but I'm I'm not sure that's what you want,
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2170.87 2176.61 So if you want the spongy feel, you need uh to make these buttons all all of rubber. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2176.62 2180.07 I know, but do you touch this or do you touch this? 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2180.36 2182.21 I think both. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2181.46 2183.81 I mean, I I never touch between the buttons. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2185.44 2186.65 Or the s uh the sideways. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2188.26 2189.26 Or the back. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2186.65 2188.26 Or the the back. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2184.19 2185.44 I do. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2184.69 2185.07 I do. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2186.05 2186.69 I think 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2187.36 2190.02 Yeah, the side, exactly, the sideways. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2190.02 2194.13 The side, but do you touch between the the these buttons? 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2190.57 2191.23 I think 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2202.52 2207.56 So you just have it in your hand completely or or i you play with it. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2194.76 2202.52 Yes, especially when there are l a few buttons on it, you have uh a lot of space to touch. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2226.28 2229.94 Um Sebastian, did you write enough decisions down? 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2212.23 2217.76 I'm going to leave the decision to you, um because you have to make its prototype,
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2205.94 2206.61 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2217.76 2226.28 and um yeah y you have the most knowledge about the suppliers, the possibilities and uh so I'm going to leave it the decision with you. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2209.54 2212.23 Um I guess you two have to figure that out. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2206.61 2209.54 Well, we do not have very much time uh left. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2212.11 2212.31 Yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2223.46 2223.63 Yeah. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2223.46 2223.6 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2229.87 2232.08 Um not quite. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2232.08 2233.84 Um what about 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2239.08 2240.82 We use the regular chip? 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2240.82 2241.23 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2236.34 2239.08 uh the chips? 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2240.06 2240.56 Regular. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2241.4 2241.59 Yeah. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2245.51 2246.32 And 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2246.37 2247.33 Use with. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2247.98 2249.44 Well no, I think that's about it. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2251.76 2251.94 Yes. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2258.75 2260.36 The chip is is not really 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2253.64 2258.75 With those regular chips we can still uh control advanced functions. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2253.21 2253.64 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2267.23 2269.02 And we've decided not to use L. C. D. . 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2269.02 2269.56 So 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2266.67 2267.23 That's all. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2260.76 2266.67 The only difference between the advanced and the regular version is that the advanced uh version of the chip supports L. C. D. . 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2266.36 2267.07 Okay, well. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2271.01 2274.42 Um okay, then I think we are uh quite finished. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2270.02 2271.01 Okay. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2268.92 2270.02 Yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2275.89 2279.85 Um I'll see you guys in thirty minutes and um 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2282.16 2283.51 For the finishing touch. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2283.55 2284.19 Yeah? 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2284.19 2288.65 Yeah, um if you write wrote anything down, uh could you put it on the shared folder? 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2284.19 2284.51 Okay. 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2289.14 2289.48 Okay. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2289.81 2290.27 Uh yeah. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2290.73 2290.96 Yeah. 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2291.6 2292.37 But um 
TS3011c H01 MTD043UID 2293.69 2294.92 Sebastian has everything. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2295.09 2296.57 I know, but well 
TS3011c H02 MTD042ID 2298.15 2298.88 I'll put it online. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2299.31 2299.55 Great. 
TS3011c H00 MTD041PM 2315.17 2316.35 Right. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 247.87 252.65 w which prefers the which the the customer of the user prefers. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 242.05 247.87 But uh we don't uh we don't uh we do think it's um well what if with ease of use 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 235.68 242.05 That's the same as uh on the top of it uh with the the round uh button. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 240.64 241.19 Like this one. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 246.64 247.44 It's important. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 273.11 276.79 But other users who are new to this device need something like that. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 276.79 285.27 They n they need to understand what uh how to change channels and uh change the volume, so it's easier for them 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 255.59 262.59 Um novice users u use this device as uh normal users use uh a c a remote control. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 262.59 273.11 And after a while they start to develop uh some skills in the the voice recognition functions, and then they will not use this dial as often. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 251.7 255.59 Uh I think th this is device which which has a learning curve. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 273.93 274.25 Okay. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 285.48 289.22 Could could I see the scroll bar as uh as as a sort of shortcut? 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 289.98 290.9 Yeah, maybe so. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 290.9 291.72 Yes, it's 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 290.28 294.2 A a and the voice recognition as well, th maybe you could uh could uh 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 304.85 306.55 It's it's quite easy. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 298.06 304.85 There are there are many ways of doing uh things uh on such a device. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 293.54 298.06 Well, it's it's it's another approach, it's more that our um. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 307.62 309.16 And and the case is is rubber? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 304.62 305.64 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 305.64 306.86 Okay. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 306.86 307.62 Okay, good. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 309.43 310.03 Yes, rubber? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 310.46 311.23 And the buttons? 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 311.67 313.41 Plastic or rubber. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 313.41 314.02 Well, yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 311.8 313.97 There are plastic or rubber. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 314.11 315.77 Okay, and uh the colouring? 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 316.43 318.09 Uh yellow with uh 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 318.39 319.94 with with grey or black. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 320.14 322.05 grey or black or something like that. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 322.05 326.8 Whatever cost uh cost uh the least. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 329.12 329.78 Um 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 325.74 329.12 Okay, we'll we'll come to that later. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 331.49 332.95 okay. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 332.95 334.52 Anything else to add or 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 335.81 339.97 Uh maybe we should uh think about these buttons. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 339.97 340.38 But 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 334.75 335.81 No. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 339.46 339.77 Yeah. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 339.82 349.38 Well, you could use two of them to programme the um channels on the two channel button, 'cause you have to assign two channel new channels. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 351.38 351.85 Or not? 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 346.77 351.38 Yes, but it but these are tasks that are only executed once, I think. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 352.09 359.97 M m but maybe you do want a programme button to uh for example activate the voice recognition, or train the voice voice recognition. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 350.83 352.09 M uh yeah. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 353.08 353.35 You 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 358.06 359.05 Well okay. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 359.05 360.79 Okay, yeah, that's right. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 360.79 361.82 Or something li like that. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 361.18 363.81 And a button for disabling the voice recognition. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 369.69 377.32 you could also say it you'd disable it with a little beep and and but o okay, that that's not really really important. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 364.47 369.69 Yeah al although by pressing the button for I n don't know two, three seconds,
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 372.37 372.71 Yes. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 373.73 374.06 Yeah. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 376.86 378.54 That's the basic idea, yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 378.24 379.34 The basic okay. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 379.52 380.2 Of our prototype. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 380.72 381.55 Okay. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 381.55 385.65 Um you thought of some evaluation crit criteria? 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 386.59 386.89 Yes. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 387.75 388.14 Okay. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 403.25 405.16 Uh my name is not name but 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 405.1 409.87 You are nameless. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 408.99 413.08 Uh well, I used the the uh documents. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 414.83 415.71 And these uh 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 417.77 419.21 were the most important criteria. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 420.16 423.45 Is it spongy? 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 420.75 428.35 yeah, that's uh how the fashion guys uh state it. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 428.35 429.72 Fancy look and feel. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 429.72 430.15 So 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 420.31 420.75 It should be. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 434.22 438.38 I mean, is it fancy, everything I believe uh 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 430.95 434.22 So just walk through it step by step. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 439.25 439.85 Uh well appar 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 439.43 440.67 I believe it's fancy. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 440.38 441.43 I believe it's fancy too. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 445.29 445.79 So 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 441.34 445.29 Yeah, but apparently uh we shouldn't evaluate yet. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 444.59 444.82 No. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 444.95 445.7 Oh, sorry. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 446.84 447.36 Okay. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 446.99 449.72 Okay, so this these are the cr uh the criteria. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 449.7 452.17 Yeah, I think these are the most important criteria. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 451.78 453.13 Okay, well 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 453.55 454.59 So uh that's about it. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 454.42 457.08 the then we'll switch to my presentation. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 457.08 457.98 Um 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 468.2 471.69 The production costs. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 471.69 474.73 The costs are not under 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 476.67 478.26 Can I 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 486.49 488.3 Um this is the 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 489.94 490.56 Twenty two. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 490.93 497.56 Yeah, it's it's w way above um uh above the the the twelve Euro fifty. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 497.56 501.5 And what makes it very expensive is uh for example the solar cell. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 501.5 506.19 So I guess we should skip that, because it's not that important. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 492.29 492.93 Yikes. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 501.31 502.45 Well it's very expensive. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 506.72 507.12 Okay. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 507.27 511.4 Why does the price and and the s oh, one uh exa yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 520.02 528.67 Um if you would if you look at the uh w w w what we could do to make it more um 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 510.84 515.53 Yeah, the the price, the the number of items and the the sum. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 515.53 520.02 Um well, this is what I would call our luxury model. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 512.87 514.24 The number of uh yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 514.89 515.41 Okay. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 522.14 523.02 And and does it 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 529.88 534.79 to make it just between the twelve Euro fifty, um then I 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 555.44 556.28 Um 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 535.98 538.14 did the following changes. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 544.41 555.44 um by not using the voice recognition feature, because it's uh it's a four Euro uh addition to the price. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 538.14 544.41 Twelve Euro forty cents I came up with by leaving out the solar cells,
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 544.3 544.59 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 548.8 549.11 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 558.91 559.67 Yeah, I believe 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 561.42 564.49 Uh, push-button, well 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 565.78 567.31 It makes it the thirteen yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 575.45 578.99 So um yeah, th this design is not um 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 569.07 575.45 Push-buttons are buttons are are not the most expensive, but do add extra cost. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 574.89 575.17 Hmm. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 580.19 581.94 within our price model. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 582.78 583.19 Okay. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 584.02 584.79 Um 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 593.29 595.3 And you have not added one item there. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 585.26 588.47 But I'm afraid it's not complete. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 588.47 593.29 Because we use spec uh specic uh special materials, the last item. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 596.21 596.41 Yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 599.87 601.87 So it's c way too expensive. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 601.97 604.65 It's still too expensive, yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 604.65 605.28 Um 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 604.6 606.49 But that's that's only for the buttons. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 606.49 608.47 So the button we can use plastic. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 606.52 611.55 I I guess if we leave the if we leave this one out, um oh. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 613.88 616.58 And uh maybe not use the special form. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 615.27 616.06 And the pla uh 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 617.31 620.67 And a plastic b just plastic buttons, a plas uh instead of rubber. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 619 619.49 But it 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 627.52 628.08 Um 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 625.14 627.52 But it's the board decision. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 621.42 625.14 It becomes a very dull remote control, I know. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 623.87 624.23 Yes. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 631.95 633.2 And um yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 650.12 650.79 So 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 642.63 650.12 because I think there's very little added value in uh an enhanced case with these dull functions. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 634.8 642.63 Well, b basically it when when this is our only option, we should even consider changing the casing 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 646.02 646.27 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 649.41 650.28 Yeah, I know. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 650.28 653.2 Maybe we should look at an uh focus on another uh 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 654.61 657.37 Type of m maybe another market segment. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 655.81 666.38 Yeah, m uh maybe not not all that fancy, but just way way more easy uh uh um basic and uh m maximise the profits and um 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 661.23 661.46 Yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 662.62 662.89 Yes. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 667.24 669.68 That's maybe that's better. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 669.68 675.72 Maybe we could uh we should go for straight and simple, but that's not what uh has been asked. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 668.43 668.61 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 672.94 673.14 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 676.44 677.37 I know, I know. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 677.5 682.11 So we should kick the board's uh Well 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 680.18 683.05 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 684.76 697.14 but we could still make uh a remote control that ap uh um applies um more to young people uh by giving it another colour already. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 697.14 703.39 Um so it is possible to make uh uh a device that attracts a little bit more to young people. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 683.05 684.76 Although I think we yeah 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 696.28 696.54 Hmm. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 703.73 704.05 Yes. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 704.46 709.69 Um but uh I agree it's it's not a fancy high-tech uh device. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 709.69 710.75 Definitely not, no. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 719.87 721.89 Um so, okay. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 713.24 717.31 It's not that innovative. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 717.31 719.87 Or however you s pronounce that. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 719.87 720.58 Yeah, too bad. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 723.28 724.25 Um 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 727.57 728.73 Oh, this is the wrong one. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 735.37 737.9 So uh that means redesign. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 743.68 750.72 Um but we can evaluate the process and um uh 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 739.4 743.68 We do not have the time o uh now to to redesign the product. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 742.91 743.33 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 752.16 756.06 uh the satisfaction on how things went. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 756.06 761.32 Um I'm not sure if we need to evaluate uh the device first. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 762.4 762.99 I guess 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 763.44 767.61 Um well, since we're not gonna manufacture it anyway 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 766.63 767.15 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 768.58 769.24 Yeah, that's true. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 769.68 779.38 Well, maybe it's good to do it anyway, because if we evaluate it, we we can also determine if our objectives are good. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 779.38 779.84 So 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 773.79 774.76 We l we can learn. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 777.03 777.2 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 778.86 779.02 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 782.33 782.73 Well 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 780.46 782.33 I agree. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 783.66 785.36 Is it fancy? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 786 788.04 I d it is it is 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 786.33 786.77 Uh 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 796.13 796.47 Yay. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 798.64 798.95 Is it? 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 800.83 801.42 Is it fancy? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 802.45 803.24 Yeah, I think so. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 802.65 804.51 Um the yellow rubber, I think so. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 803.29 803.9 I think so. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 805.36 806.87 You like the rubber, uh Roo. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 807.24 810.52 I'm into it. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 810.74 811.91 So uh one? 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 812.96 814.13 But it's not that fancy. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 812.98 814.78 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 814.78 816.22 No, I'll I'll I'll give it a two. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 814.97 815.45 I mean 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 823.13 826.98 It would be even more oh, you really like titanium. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 826.98 829.36 I'm I'm into it. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 816.77 823.13 I think uh I think it would have been more fancy if we used the titanium housing the casing. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 824.08 826.88 You like tita 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 830.04 831.26 That's a flavour as well. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 834.67 835.89 You should taste it. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 832.15 833.01 It has flavour. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 833.01 834.67 Yes, that's right. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 833.68 836.13 Right. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 836.13 836.86 Um 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 838.91 839.75 Is it uh 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 839.23 842.83 Yeah, I know, but but it but that's fancy in the way um 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 845.47 848.8 I mean fancy has has a lot of 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 851.54 852.76 So do 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 849.08 851.54 It has to do with fashion, I guess. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 850.72 851.09 Yeah. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 852 854.01 It's trendy trendy, fun yeah. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 858.22 859.21 So in that way 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 852.25 858.22 And w yeah, w what they want wanted was uh colours and soft materials. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 858.24 858.51 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 860.27 861.12 It applies. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 861.12 861.8 It yeah. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 861.36 862.16 It it's fancy. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 862.14 863.86 Well, just give it a two. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 862.45 862.86 Okay. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 864.49 864.85 Yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 865.36 866.05 Yes. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 873.01 880.98 It would have been even more fancy, but we decided not to, because if we use a double-curved case, we could not use solar. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 880.98 881.47 So 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 866.05 873.01 I think I th I think it would have been I would have think uh it could have been more fancy by using the double-curved case. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 866.19 868.38 It's not the ultimate uh fancy two, but 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 878.59 879.66 Yeah, but that's sti that's uh 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 890.87 894.97 We w we do have uh the rubber, we do have the colours. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 894.97 896.06 That's two out of three. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 881.82 890.87 Looking at the user uh needs, we only uh don't we don't have the double-curved case. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 896.78 897.08 Yes. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 897.14 899.51 So I believe uh we are close uh to two. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 899.01 900.35 Yeah, I I agree. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 901.82 902.69 It's okay. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 900.67 901.82 Yes, I agree too. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 902.69 904.14 We did yes, we did good. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 904.61 906.21 Okay, and uh was it 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 907.5 907.96 innovative? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 909.84 913.17 Well, with the voice recognition feature and uh 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 912.64 914.5 But that's not in it. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 914.5 915.85 Ov or can we 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 914.46 914.69 Yep. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 916.13 919.44 No, we are evaluating this this uh design now. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 916.19 918.31 Well, let's let's this product. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 918.94 919.37 Okay. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 920.53 922.15 So I I I think it is. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 922.15 923.29 I think it's innovative. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 920.67 921.37 This prototype. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 923.59 923.85 Yeah. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 925.41 927.9 The solar not many remotes 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 923.65 925.41 And the scroll uh wheel. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 928.94 930.06 have the solar, I think. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 930.58 940.46 It could have been a little bit more innovative u by using the kinetic uh energy source, but it's it's way too yes, but 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 930.13 930.58 No. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 936.2 937.16 Yeah, and uh 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 937.28 938.44 That would have been a thrill. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 940.64 942.66 So uh also a uh two? 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 942.16 943.68 I think uh it's a two. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 943.09 943.29 Yep. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 948.1 949.02 Is it easy to use? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 951.11 954.26 I'm not sure. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 951.17 951.6 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 954.85 955.53 I'm not sure. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 956.65 961.61 Well yeah, the voice recognition of course is hard to learn, I think. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 963.54 966.75 Well, hard it's not for the for the e for the elderly. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 977.04 978.96 That's for a novice user. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 973.92 977.04 Everybody can use it, so that's easy to use. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 971.46 973.92 What you see here is is the basic part. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 978.96 986.53 When you have a more advanced, elaborate user, well, such a user really would like to explore all these additional functions. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 967.77 971.46 Well, but there are two parts in this remote control. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 968.08 968.85 They won't use it. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 976.47 976.68 Yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 988.72 991.71 So in that in that way it is advanced, 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 992.04 992.25 Yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 992.8 998.44 and I think it's easy to use for for both uh types of users. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1000.87 1001.4 So uh 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1000.88 1001.56 I think 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1002.5 1005.26 It's maybe it's not very uh easy for 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1006.37 1007.18 Wouldn't give it more. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1004.21 1006.37 I think a three. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1011.58 1012.11 Um 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1009.15 1011.58 Uh I'm doubting doubting as well. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1012.48 1016.36 Well the p the most important function is easy to use. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1016.65 1016.84 Yeah. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1017.54 1020.2 The the zapping, channel switching, volume. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1021.58 1024.1 But the more advanced functions are probably 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1025.38 1025.89 a bit harder. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1031.02 1033.56 Wha wh what would be your guess? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1028.39 1029.07 Okay. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1040.41 1042.04 Is the device easy to use? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1029.07 1030.52 Uh two or three? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1030.52 1031.02 Three? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1038.79 1040.41 It's the uh it's it's overall. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1033.56 1038.79 I mean ease of use um does not only apply to the most basic functions. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1033.72 1034.11 Okay. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1043.13 1049.97 You're right in that, but I I guess uh an advanced user will will find the voice recognition function easy to use, 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1041.92 1043.13 Yeah, that's right. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1050.54 1050.71 Yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1051.04 1055.11 because he is already he or she is already an advanced user. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1055.11 1055.5 So 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1054.25 1054.58 Yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1060.03 1060.38 But 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1056.67 1060.03 After all, I think personally I would give a two. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1056.69 1057.26 Um 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1062.78 1063.07 Ruud? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1061.14 1062.78 Uh Roo, a three? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1060.54 1061.14 Okay. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1062.28 1062.68 Yep. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1067.28 1068.01 Good question. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1069.76 1072.57 Uh I'll go uh for the two. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1073.22 1075.47 Okay. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1074.5 1077.38 So, it's two, two and three. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1077.97 1079.69 So that's ten. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1077.38 1077.97 Two threes. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1078.73 1080.51 So I could make it e easy? 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1079.88 1083.02 If you make it a four it will be three in general. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1081.22 1082.67 So that's w 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1083.66 1084.84 No, two and a half. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1085.71 1086.86 If he makes it a four. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1089.85 1091.74 Six and four is ten. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1091.74 1093.27 Divided by four is two and a half. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1088.93 1089.85 Six and four. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1088.98 1089.67 Not a three. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1094.43 1094.99 So 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1095.95 1096.69 Darn. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1096.69 1097.01 Nee. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1098.4 1098.54 Huh? 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1097.17 1098.4 Hmm? 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1097.6 1100.76 Yes. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1098.22 1101.37 Roo. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1104.35 1107.02 Yeah, you have a two, he has a two. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1107.02 1107.7 Three? 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1101.58 1104.35 A four and a three together. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1107.7 1109.54 And a three? 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1098.43 1101.58 A seven, a three No. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1109.54 1110.54 Nee. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1110.54 1110.92 I know. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1100.94 1101.71 Yeah. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1101.71 1102.52 I yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1103.65 1104.06 Four? 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1104.66 1106.43 Yeah, two, two, three 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1105.69 1106 Two? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1107.76 1109.82 No, I haven't said anything yet. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1109.43 1113.89 No. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1116.29 1118.68 Divided by four is two point five. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1110.7 1116.29 Okay, but if I would say a three, then it's six, and four is ten. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1115.81 1116.71 Divided by four. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1123.23 1125.54 Then you would make a four. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1118.22 1118.93 Yes. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1125.54 1130.77 If you fill out a four 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1118.93 1123.23 So if you want to have the conclusion as a three three. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1127.6 1128.53 That's not even 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1128.77 1131.13 Does it will so it will be a two point five. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1127.64 1128.77 But I'm filling in a three. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1131.23 1137.09 But that's not possible to fill in, so we have to round it. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1132.49 1134.52 Yes, it is. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1137.89 1140.23 Exactly. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1140.23 1145.49 It's not about the content, it's about okay, um is it easy to f 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1134.52 1137.89 I have a veto. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1144.59 1146.26 Is it easy to find? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1146.86 1147.87 Yeah, definitely. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1148.05 1148.38 Yes. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1148.38 1156.07 Yeah, we haven't re uh re uh really worked it out, but you c you can you can just say find and he repeats find. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1152.34 1154.63 It it most definitely is it's very easy. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1156.5 1157.98 Yeah, or beeps or yeah. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1158.28 1162.09 Yeah, but that's the that's the the basic idea of the the speaker uh 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1158.48 1158.7 Yes. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1159.99 1163.96 Maybe Uh I I think I think something like that. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1163.96 1170.77 Maybe you have to uh programme it once, so to that l respond to uh a certain word or a certain sentence,
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1176.6 1177.11 So, I th 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1170.77 1175.21 something like where are you, and then it will sing I'm here. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1175.21 1176.6 So something like that. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1162.19 1163.39 I'm here, I'm here. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1166.54 1166.75 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1169.84 1170.17 Yeah. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1171.01 1172.27 But even without it 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1175.06 1175.38 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1176.61 1183.76 Well, I uh we should not uh stay too long on this subject uh because of the time, but I personally give it a one. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1183.76 1185.06 Um Sebastian? 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1181.12 1181.37 Yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1185.22 1185.88 Yeah, me too. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1186.17 1186.61 Me too. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1186.81 1187.43 Yeah, I agree. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1189.9 1192.67 The feel of the remote control is spongy. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1192.67 1194.44 Well, uh it can't be more spongy. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1194.44 1195.82 So 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1187.31 1189.9 Right, well. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1195.88 1197.24 Well, it can be. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1207.23 1211.38 No, it's not one of our option, but when you look in the market, when you look 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1197.24 1207.23 There are cases um in which the outside casing is um can be uh how d how do you prono is is moldable. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1205.78 1207.09 Was it one of our options? 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1207.61 1208.61 No. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1208.61 1211.86 Uh this this was a most spongy option. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1208.65 1209.62 No okay, but but 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1209.08 1210.02 So, in the in 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1210.82 1213.09 for the options given, it's the most spongy one. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1223.68 1229.05 So there are uh remote controls out there which are a lot more spongy. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1233.27 1235.04 Yes, but it's not good enough, so it's a two. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1229.05 1233.27 They're out there. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1212.48 1216.67 Uh yes, but that's not that's not uh what they are talking about, I think. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1216.67 1223.68 Because we compare all these uh characteristics characteristics with uh market uh with with the real market. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1213.31 1213.53 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1222.7 1223.93 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1223.93 1224.11 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1227.54 1233.29 They're out there. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1233.29 1233.56 Yeah. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1228.84 1233.17 But I think in this case in this case we've done the best we could. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1234.89 1236.94 I'll give it a one. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1235.43 1238.33 I wan I'll take one. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1240.63 1241.24 What do you give it? 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1239.36 1240.63 You take one? 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1243.72 1248.93 Well yeah, it depends, 'cause it's the most spongy we could but yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1246.46 1249.23 Yeah, I know, but you have to name a fig uh a number. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1250.48 1253.84 Because we need to go on in for the time. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1255.34 1256.63 Well, if I give it a one 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1258.53 1259.67 It will be a one. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1260.49 1263.23 So I'll just give it a two and make this a one point five. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1258.96 1260.49 there'll be one hell of a calculation. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1264.27 1273.11 Uh I'll I'll change it, I'll make it m my my mark will be a four. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1263.43 1264.27 No no no. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1277.85 1279.43 Well, Ruud, what what do you think about it? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1272.44 1277.85 The remote control offers enough features. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1268.38 1272.44 You are okay. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1286.98 1287.56 So 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1281.72 1286.98 Well, the basic layout doesn't offem offer much, but the voice recognition could add a lot. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1292.06 1297.32 You can add very m much functionality by uh using the voice recognition mode. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1289.21 1292.06 Basically it's it's completely programmable. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1289.57 1290.38 Yeah, depends. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1291.79 1292.08 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1297.87 1300.15 Yeah, I know. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1300.15 1302.58 What what we didn't talk about is um uh 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1298.71 1300.08 So it's quite advanced. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1301.07 1304.31 Yeah, but it ha doesn't has the digits. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1304.31 1305.32 I believe it's 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1306.37 1311.8 If you uh ask yourself it offers enough features, I don't I don't think 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1313.46 1317.56 it is it has all the features um a normal remote has. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1317.76 1318.68 I think it has. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1318.66 1321.91 Uh depends on what you uh implement in the speech feat 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1328.9 1337.14 So, you place a a regular uh remote control in front of the other one, hit the one or the two or the three,
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1319.86 1320.85 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1337.14 1344.62 whatever, and it r records the uh the um the the signals. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1320.85 1328.9 Bec because you can um we didn't talk about it, but you do have uh remote controls that are able to adapt another signal. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1344.62 1346.85 So you could uh uh uh 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1328.56 1328.9 Yes. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1342.26 1344.28 Has uh the signals sent to it. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1343.5 1343.81 Signal. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1343.87 1344.23 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1348.06 1355.77 enter any comment you like, as long it's able to as long as our device is able to reproduce the infrared signal. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1363.39 1368.87 Although there are i a few buttons, but the inside is is quite uh advanced. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1357.37 1363.39 So I think th this uh this is uh a a remote control with a very high level of features. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1362.78 1363.31 Absolutely. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1365.62 1365.91 Yes. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1374.69 1377.23 At at least uh forty buttons. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1382.09 1384 And this is quite s simple. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1384 1387.3 You can use your voice to to programme it. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1377.23 1382.09 So it's it's quite s complicated to get uh to get used to. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1367.53 1374.69 But that that's its power, I guess, because uh a regular programmable uh remote control contains, well, uh really a lot of buttons. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1387.3 1387.79 It's 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1374.59 1374.86 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1376.78 1377.08 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1384.44 1384.63 Yep. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1388.86 1390.97 Okay, um let's give it a number. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1388.19 1388.86 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1390.97 1393.32 I'll give it uh a one. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1393.32 1396.32 For for the for this t uh type of market, I think it's a one. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1397.66 1398.51 I'll give a two. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1399.39 1400.33 Yeah, I'll give it a one. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1402.33 1409.95 Um I think think a one, 'cause v with a voice recognition you could add anything you want, so that's like um 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1418.84 1422.52 but not for this kind of market, and not for this kind of price. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1411.94 1418.84 I I've I think we've uh succe succeed in in developing a product that's actually quite good,
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1411.56 1411.94 Yes. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1422.52 1423.1 So 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1423.14 1425.39 So high quality, low acceptance. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1422.75 1423.14 Yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1424.5 1424.72 Hmm. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1435.47 1435.8 But 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1428.05 1435.47 The product is is is uh b high qua uh has a high quality and and is uh advanced. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1435.12 1435.43 Yes. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1437.23 1449.78 whether or not our clients are are um willing to pay twenty five Euros for this kind of device is doub is well, is not sure. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1449.78 1450.54 D do you agree? 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1443.14 1443.44 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1449.05 1449.33 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1450.78 1451.97 Yes, I agree. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1451.97 1452.37 I 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1451.82 1454.41 Maybe even because it doesn't look advanced. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1458.09 1462.78 Maybe we should have a radar uh function. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1455.71 1458.09 Yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1457.78 1458.45 Yeah, okay. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1458.45 1458.64 But 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1460.12 1462.09 Yes. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1465.49 1466.76 Uh twenty five. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1464.72 1465.49 Fifty? 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1462.07 1464.72 But we could couldn't uh what what's the selling price? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1465.4 1466.4 Twenty five Euros. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1469.9 1476.29 But even now, if only our production costs w uh were exceeded the double, 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1467.92 1469.9 And costs were twelve fifty. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1469.76 1469.94 Yeah. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1478.47 1480.47 Production cost was were t uh was twenty two? 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1477.62 1478.47 Think. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1480.71 1481.04 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1481.66 1485.51 So uh selling price uh would be uh yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1484.13 1485.25 M about fifty Euros. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1486.91 1492.62 That's quite ex well, it's not it's not very expensive for a remote control that that has this functionality. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1487.41 1488.42 That's price, but w w 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1492 1497.1 An original remote control of any T. V. kind, uh a Phillips remote control, y you pay uh 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1491.3 1492 No. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1498.51 1499.87 It's quite expensive, yes. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1495.63 1498.51 Yes, it's more than fifty Euros. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1499.04 1503.67 Yeah, I kn I know uh from a few years ago, it it it costed hundred Gilders. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1506.01 1514.49 because there are uh remote controls which control your stereo, television, D. V. D., C. D. player, for under twenty five Euros. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1501.8 1506.01 Bu but well yeah, I know, but you're paying for th for the brand,
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1512.71 1513.83 Yes, but you can you c 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1511.8 1512.71 Yes. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1514.76 1518.48 Yes, but you can learn this thing, all these functions. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1518.48 1524.91 And it's easier to use because those uh remote controls don't offer voice recognition and this one does. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1524.91 1526.7 So I think it's worth its price. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1518.8 1519.03 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1524.8 1524.96 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1531.51 1532.08 Um 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1528.38 1531.51 Um you had an overall rating. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1527.23 1528.38 Okay. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1532.79 1536.46 Yeah, but uh with these ratings uh 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1534.91 1535.65 That's counting. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1540.62 1541.21 Something like that. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1536.76 1540.62 Well, it's it's about one point five. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1537.83 1541.4 should be about one point s seven, yeah. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1538.54 1540.64 Four six seven eight. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1541.84 1542.21 Okay. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1542.18 1544.47 Nine divided by six. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1545.26 1549.43 Um we'll go further on with the the rest of the evaluation. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1543.94 1545.26 Okay. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1556.45 1559.19 About the project itself, not about the product. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1561.34 1562.17 Um 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1566.32 1569.18 What did you think about uh 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1570.5 1572.59 the process, the project process? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1575.64 1575.85 Ruud? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1584.43 1589.31 Try to translate that. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1585.91 1589.21 Well 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1590.45 1591.18 Hmm. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1592.66 1594.25 Any any other Uh, Roo? 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1593.8 1595.1 Well, I think 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1593.92 1594.99 Yeah, I think uh 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1594.74 1594.9 Ye 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1595.95 1596.78 Roo. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1596.65 1598.45 The process was good. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1599.46 1603.22 But w um we weren't aware of the prices of the costs. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1603.22 1605.66 And and that was the the big deal. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1605.66 1610.94 I if we knew that before, we c we could have made the the choice between what yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1602.89 1603.24 Yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1605.47 1605.67 Mm. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1607.67 1608.37 Actually, we had 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1609.44 1610.25 Better decision. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1609.74 1610.56 Yes. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1610.56 1612.56 We had we had too little information actually. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1612.56 1619.35 So And uh um the the the well, looking at room for creativity, there was 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1612.35 1612.59 Yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1624.8 1627.61 So there was not really a process of uh 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1620.69 1624.8 w way too the the choice of components was way too narrow. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1622.5 1622.83 Less. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1625.01 1625.22 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1628.35 1631.32 So we could we we could be we could've been creative. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1631.32 1638.44 But um it was tempered by the choice of components and the the price. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1632.53 1633.01 Well 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1637.05 1637.36 Yes. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1637.31 1638.09 The prices. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1638.56 1641.55 Well, in the first meeting we we already were very creative. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1641.55 1651.16 We we thought of possibilities who are not possible uh with the the current uh offer of uh manufacturing components. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1651.16 1651.67 So 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1641.89 1642.11 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1652.45 1652.64 Yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1653.97 1655.16 We're tempered by that, yes. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1655.3 1655.84 Okay, Roo? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1657.09 1658.38 Any other thoughts on that? 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1658.88 1659.65 No, no. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1660.35 1660.48 Ruud? 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1661.73 1662.21 I agree. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1662.69 1664.04 You agree, okay. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1664.04 1668.11 Uh leadership. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1668.11 1674.87 Okay, Roo's on for his promotion. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1665.88 1668.2 Fantastic. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1675.63 1676.79 Yeah, okay. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1677.49 1677.85 Okay. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1679.83 1680.78 I think we're a good team. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1682.19 1687.28 I think so too, it's it's it's uh of course a laboratory environment. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1687.28 1697.13 I missed it um to be able to contact you in between and uh say uh, hey Roo uh. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1697.13 1697.87 Um 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1691.3 1691.58 Yes. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1691.55 1691.84 Yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1697.81 1701.16 Well, I tried once, but that was not allowed. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1699.91 1701.28 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1701.28 1702.19 So um 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1703.65 1710.46 Yeah, but but si uh w w w when taken in account the the situation, uh I think we performed pretty well. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1710.64 1711.4 I think so too. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1711.46 1711.66 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1712.74 1715.67 Um the means, the SMARTboard, the digital pen. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1711.49 1712.74 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1715.67 1716.52 Did you like 'em? 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1716.94 1720.38 The digital pen was okay, but SMARTboard was really bad. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1715.91 1716.94 Uh. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1720.38 1720.94 It it's 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1719.8 1720.12 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1720.48 1721.79 Because of the response or 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1726.05 1726.8 It's not accurate. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1721.81 1726.05 The response is very slow and the possibilities are very limited. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1721.95 1722.97 Response and 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1727.74 1728.03 Okay. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1731.23 1740.12 The p the pointing of the pen is not um the place where it it writes its um uh where it uh 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1730.06 1731.23 Yeah, it's not accurate. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1728.42 1730.06 Uh it it has yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1728.71 1729 Uh 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1740.73 1741.21 Draws. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1742.84 1747.22 It's uh the drawing on on the b on the board is r right from the pen. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1741.33 1742.84 Yeah, where it draws. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1747.93 1750.02 Okay, so it it had to be um 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1748.49 1749.15 So uh 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1751.21 1754.09 You to take in account that your you m yeah uh 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1751.63 1753.18 better aligned, or what's the word? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1753.18 1754.01 Uh yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1754.29 1756.01 Maybe it's it needs to be calibrateds. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1755.23 1756.21 It's too slow 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1764.93 1768.22 Uh Ruud, w uh did you use the pen a lot? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1760.39 1764.93 So uh it's not the calibration, it's the thing itself, I think. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1758.47 1760.39 Uh the one before, the third meeting. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1768.22 1769.06 Or not at all? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1756.02 1758.47 It it was calibrated just before this meeting. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1769.06 1769.52 Not at all. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1758.59 1759.97 It is? 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1759.97 1760.37 Okay. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1763.44 1763.68 Hmm. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1763.48 1763.89 Okay. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1769.07 1770.33 Not really. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1768.23 1769.07 No. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1770.61 1771.73 Okay. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1771.73 1778.52 I thought it was quite a handy uh thing, although I would like to see um O. C. R. . 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1773.39 1774.29 I I think so too. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1778.72 1778.93 Yes. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1778.9 1779.12 Yep. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1780.4 1780.73 Yes. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1790.84 1792.78 It was necessary for me to uh 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1789.23 1790.84 It w it w yeah. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1780.72 1789.23 If it has O. C. R., uh I think uh I would use, but uh I I just uh took notes for myself and and and that's it. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1786.82 1787.01 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1793.14 1794.03 To digitise them. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1798.32 1799.83 I type faster than I write. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1794.02 1798.32 Yeah, because if I want something on the computer, I just type it. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1799.83 1800.32 So 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1797.81 1798.06 Yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1798.05 1798.27 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1800.07 1800.19 Yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1827.67 1832.69 I only think it's th the the shape of the pen is too big. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1832.69 1834.76 It's not quite uh ergonomic. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1800.69 1806.94 But I think it's a great solution for uh for uh a known problem, uh writing down some notes,
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1806.94 1814.73 some some inf uh information, and then um forgetting your notebook somewhere and losing all that information. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1814.73 1825.88 Because you have everything in one place and it's quite easy quite easy it's it's possible to make this information digital and share it with others in a quite easy way. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1825.88 1827.67 I think it's a good product. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1812.14 1812.4 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1824.54 1824.75 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1832.18 1832.46 Yeah. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1835.43 1835.92 Economic. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1836.25 1837.18 Eco ergonomic. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1837.09 1837.41 I know. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1839.25 1839.95 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1839.95 1841.2 Okay. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1841.2 1842 Um 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1845.4 1848.09 What w Uh Ruud, what did you think about the SMARTboards? 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1848.74 1854.47 Oh, I only use it to draw a rabbit, so can't say much about it. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1851.26 1851.85 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1863.1 1869.8 I think that would be very easy if you could say okay, I want to use this for my own work or my own presentation further on or 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1851.85 1854.66 Okay, you can't really decide. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1855.13 1863.1 I missed a feature to easily select uh a slide and uh distribute it to the laptops. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1854.66 1855.13 No. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1870.19 1870.48 Yes. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1870.21 1871.25 No, or the other way around. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1870.64 1870.94 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1871.73 1874.9 Or the other way around, that you could show but m 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1872.92 1873.78 Yes, yes. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1875.1 1877.01 That's quite what PowerPoint does. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1875.16 1882.1 But y you can if you save this image, you can open it in your shared work folder. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1882.1 1883.98 So it's almost yeah. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 1875.83 1876.17 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1877.22 1877.5 I know. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1881.51 1882.11 I know, but 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1883.58 1885.9 I know, but we couldn't use that feature, so I missed it. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1886.67 1886.91 Yep. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1887.57 1888.69 We weren't able to do that. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1890.16 1894.98 At least the um I wasn't explained how to do such a th 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1894.83 1900.17 A and the function of of filling an an uh an oval or an an object. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1893.64 1894.83 Mm-hmm. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1900.25 1901.17 Yes. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1901.17 1903.69 The drawing cap capabilities are very limited. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1897.95 1900.25 An object, yes. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1901.52 1903.63 I it's not possible yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1904.27 1904.67 Okay. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1915.68 1917.86 And a lot of these buttons don't appear here. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1917.86 1919.26 So it's 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1904.73 1915.68 And and uh w you were when you're using uh Windows, you're used to a certain interface and certain buttons, uh which you can use for drawing. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1915.33 1915.56 Yeah. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1918.69 1921.37 Oh it looks like paint actually. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1919.3 1922.42 Okay, so y it it's not even as advanced as paint. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1925.63 1927.3 It's quite uh limited. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1922.48 1925.63 Not not uh n not way. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1924.56 1924.89 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1927.98 1928.36 Okay. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1939.04 1943 Um but, well, we need to redesign uh the product. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1936.59 1939.04 Yeah, the project is evaluated. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1934.12 1936.59 Uh no. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1942.17 1943.48 Okay. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1943.48 1944.52 Oh, very good, celebration. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1945.33 1945.79 Celebrate. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1945.62 1947.82 Pop uh pop up the champagne. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1945.73 1946.59 Great. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1947.81 1950.93 It was a privilege working with you. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1947.85 1948.23 Okay. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1955.21 1957.1 No, I think we are uh ready. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1949.8 1955.21 Um you're dismissed. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1958.46 1958.74 Okay. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 1960.88 1962.12 To private rooms? 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1963.26 1964.68 I see some action over there. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1965.12 1966.18 Private room, Roo. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1967.46 1968.64 That sounds quite scary. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1972.39 1973.03 Okay. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1973.28 1974.71 No, let's find uh the way to 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1985.16 1985.55 So, 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1981.52 1985.16 uh we're done, we're finished, I believe. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1989.47 1989.92 I think not. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1986.62 1989.47 are there any more cycles in this process? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1991.42 1992.37 Well, maybe we'd 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1990.13 1991.42 I don't believe so. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1994.01 1994.78 get an email. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 1995.86 1996.89 Thank you for your 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 1997.69 2000.91 But um how much time did we get for this meeting? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2000.88 2001.71 Forty minutes. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 2002.04 2003.51 And how much time is left? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2004.38 2006.11 A minute or or ten maybe. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2006.59 2008.26 M Yeah, ten or five. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 2006.63 2007.13 Ten minutes. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 2009.24 2009.62 Okay. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 2012.27 2012.59 Okay. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2012.88 2014.62 So, we can uh 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2016.17 2017.36 redesign our uh 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2019.05 2019.96 Uh I would like to 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 2020.25 2028.12 Well, I think we we we all know what the redesign should be. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 2028.12 2032.2 A simple, dull, uh one-coloured box. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 2034.24 2035.44 And no added value. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 2036.25 2039.82 No, it's it's just the same product that is already on the market. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 2037.35 2037.7 So 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 2036.58 2037.35 At all. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2046.75 2048.26 Oh. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2048.26 2048.63 Yeah. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 2047.45 2052.59 But you see the problem, y you can't continue your uh your line. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 2058.85 2061.58 Well, it's fluffy alright. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 2061.58 2062.29 Spongy. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 2063.79 2064.31 What is that? 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 2064.1 2066.46 A giraffe? 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2065.25 2065.58 Yeah. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 2065.5 2070.29 It's a giraffe eating a eating leaves from a tree. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2071.76 2072.57 It's blue tongue. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 2072.17 2073.59 In interesting design. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2073.82 2074.97 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2076.23 2077.52 But 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2074.97 2076.23 This is a new model. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 2080.2 2083.34 Or blue tongue. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 2077.33 2080.2 So you're actually promoting Bluetooth. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2080.92 2082.43 Blue tongue. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 2081.15 2087.94 Oh uh it it does uh have a natural uh feeling. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 2087.94 2088.52 So 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2087.76 2091.39 It's spongy. 
TS3011d H03 MTD044ME 2090.34 2090.79 Yeah. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2102.58 2114.79 That is uh it's a new feature next to Bluetooth to um disable all Bluetooth devices. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2114.79 2116.19 Um 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 2105.28 2105.59 Blue tongue. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 2112.76 2113.28 Okay. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 2113.07 2116.03 Right. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 2118.92 2119.6 Let's wrap it up. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2123.2 2124.71 Yeah, we're done here. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2130.3 2132.35 Gentlemen, thank you for your cooperation. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 2138.12 2141.61 Now, let's have uh a bottle of champagne. 
TS3011d H02 MTD042ID 2133.11 2138.12 Thank you Mister manager. 
TS3011d H00 MTD041PM 2148.58 2148.9 Yes. 
TS3011d H01 MTD043UID 2152.23 2155.87 That's alright. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 17.12 20.49 Well, of course we're new to each other, so I'd like to get acquainted first. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 20.49 24.53 So let's do that first, I mean Let's start with you, can you introduce yourself? 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 24.53 25.49 You're our Marketing Expert. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 2.99 6.65 This is our first team meeting. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 15 17.12 That's my uh that's the agenda for today. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 6.65 9.34 I'll be your Project Manager for today, for this project. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 2.19 2.99 Okay, good morning. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 9.34 15 My name is Mark will be giving this presentation for you to kick the project off. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 3.62 4.23 Good day. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 4.82 5.22 Morning. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 5.4 5.79 Morning. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 25.46 26.36 Yes. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 34.47 43.35 And I will see what the user wants and uh what we can do uh with the new produ project product. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 26.36 29.79 Um my name is Dirk, Dirk Meinfeld. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 29.79 34.47 Um I will be uh Pr Project the Marketing Expert. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 43.23 44.4 Okay, excellent. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 44.4 46.73 And you are User Interface Yeah. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 45.04 47.97 Nick Broer, User Interface Designer. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 47.97 51.72 I'm going to uh look at the technical design from the uh user point of view. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 52.34 53.54 Excellent. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 53.54 53.97 Okay. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 54.29 60.98 My name is Xavier Juergens, I'm the Industrial Designer, and there are three main questions that I have to find an answer to today. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 60.98 68.53 First one is uh what happens inside the apparatus, second is what is uh the apparatus made of, and the third is what should it look like. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 64.58 65.05 Hmm. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 68.66 69.54 What should it look like? 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 69.54 69.92 Okay. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 70.88 71.09 Hmm. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 83.59 85.25 I took this off our corporate website. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 73.76 75.17 Oh, there we go. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 72.54 73.76 Oh, let's kick it off. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 85.25 87.78 It's I think well it sums up what we need to do. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 75.17 83.59 So, our new project is about we need design a remote control for television set, so, which has to be original, trendy and user-friendly. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 93.6 96.17 That's why our product will always fit in your home. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 106.57 107.52 So 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 88.55 93.6 We're inspired by latest fashion, not only electronics, but also the latest trends in clothes and interior design. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 102.71 106.57 So that's what you need to do to bring us the latest info and what people want. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 96.17 102.71 So apparently we need to um be very at um very open to what's currently hot in the market. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 103.73 104.21 Yeah. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 105.64 105.88 Yeah. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 122.94 126.76 so we can share information about So I'm gonna keep this short, since we had a technical problem. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 126.76 128.25 So skip through this. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 108.13 109.85 So we put the fashion in electronics. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 109.85 111.94 So that's what we need to go for. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 118.68 120.15 And that's basically what we're gonna do. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 120.15 122.94 Everybody has uh a piece of individual work and a meeting afterwards,
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 111.94 116.06 Anyway, we'll take this project in three steps, three pha uh three phase of design. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 116.06 118.68 First step will be the functional design. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 117.85 118.04 Yeah. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 148.99 150.96 Like it says, very simple, you just take out the pen. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 139.72 142.88 We can use a regular PowerPoint presentation. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 130.88 132.19 Okay. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 132.19 139.72 Every meeting we everybody can present their uh their views and everything, so to help with these, you have we have the SMARTboards here. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 142.88 148.99 I'm supposed to give you an introduction on this doodling board, so it's actually it's very easy. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 128.91 130.88 Uh. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 159.5 162.18 You see a pen here. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 157.09 159.5 That's it, you just put it on the board. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 162.18 165.34 You go here, just like using a pen. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 152.83 157.09 Like you see here, I'll just take the take here. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 165.34 167.42 You can just draw whatever you want. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 168.62 171.02 It's like the eraser, can erase whatever you want. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 182.4 187.69 and whatever you want, your current colour, your line width, just to make the line bigger. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 173.06 182.4 And so it will be easy just to illustrate your views, if you wanna change the format, you just either take out jus just like the pen,
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 188.53 190.18 So it should be really easy. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 190.18 193.91 This is to take the just take a new slide and back again. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 199.68 201.81 So I'll take this out. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 193.91 199.68 We're just gonna keep using this board all the time, so I think it will be it's very clear for everyone, I suppose. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 189.48 189.82 Okay. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 215.54 221.11 I'll put the the minutes of every meeting, I'll put them there too, so everybody can read up if they have to leave early or whatever. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 203.07 206.05 Okay. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 206.93 209.38 Anyway. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 209.38 215.54 Yeah, just just just stuff that you wanna share, just put it in the in the project folder, like I put my presentation now. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 206.05 206.93 We'll use that later. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 221.9 225.61 So next, been here. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 229.25 230.79 So basic idea is 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 225.61 229.25 Well, gonna give the electronic white-board uh a shot. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 234.8 239.12 Just try whatever you want, and like it says, draw your favourite animal. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 232.88 234.8 we have a blank sheet. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 240.68 243.95 I think the creative genius should go first. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 242.33 243.79 The creative genius? 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 243.79 244.82 Thank you very much. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 245.93 247.27 So, draw us your favourite animal. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 247.58 257.2 Well, I'm more into the technical aspects of drawing, so I'm not really good at drawing animals, but uh the animal which I Oh. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 252.35 253.51 Draw us a technical animal. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 257.11 258.23 Yeah, it's still erasing. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 258.06 259.14 Pen. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 261.05 262.01 Uh format. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 276.06 276.83 Let's see. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 268.56 276.06 I pretty much like a dolphin, because of its uh its freedom basically. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 265.18 268.56 Else my animal will be like king-size. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 278.17 278.62 A head. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 281.77 283.7 actually worked with this. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 283.7 285.88 It's like uh it's a very 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 288.32 289.44 Uh high-tech. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 291.83 293 Prefer pen and paper. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 289.44 291.83 Bit low-responsive though. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 295.26 295.81 So 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 292.49 293.77 So that's what we don't want. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 293.77 295.26 We want a high-responsive product. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 299.44 301.13 It looks more like nuclear bomb. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 299.71 302.91 Very nice dolphin. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 303.33 305.1 This thing isn't doing what I'm 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 300.58 303.33 It doesn't look like a nuclear bomb. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 306.5 307.45 What I want. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 309.2 309.91 So 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 309.58 310.56 Let's go easy on it. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 312.7 315.86 Yeah, well it does look like a nuclear bomb. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 319.01 321.08 I'll just finish up real soon, because I'm 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 332 335.71 So it doesn't really look like a dolphin, but then again, this is all new for me. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 332.97 338.43 Anyway, it should It It's supposed to be a dolphin, you like the freedom that it that it represents. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 337.04 337.27 Uh-huh. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 338.27 340.44 Like the ocean, like swimming. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 340.44 344.13 Do that in my spare time, so that's basically an 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 344.46 346.43 Okay. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 348.84 349.7 Show us an animal. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 346.43 348.84 Well, our Marketing Expert. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 343.75 344.46 What do you like? 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 346.95 348.63 Now we can forget this ever happened. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 350.43 352.97 Um an animal. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 352.97 354.77 I like the elephant. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 357.53 359.23 Take a clean sheet first. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 355.53 357.53 Oh. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 353.07 355.53 Pick a pick a pick a clean sheet. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 356.2 356.55 What? 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 359.69 360.52 Um 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 358.56 359.69 Yeah. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 361.45 361.79 That's it. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 360.58 361.45 Just press next. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 363.03 364.23 Okay, next. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 364.23 366.08 Free, I like the elephant. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 361.59 362.14 Oh yeah. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 366.08 371.85 It's big, it's strong, so uh uh Oh, it's a little bit 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 362.14 363.03 Oh, a blank. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 372.96 375.4 It's not really that responsive, no. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 373.32 374.43 You have to hold it, right? 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 374.8 375.16 Mm. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 376.9 377.29 Hmm. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 382.87 384.01 It's a beautiful animal. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 392.24 394.1 Oh, you have to p press it pretty hard. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 397.51 399.92 With a smile on it, it's very important. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 398.92 400.89 It's a cute elephant. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 401.43 401.85 Yeah. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 415.4 417.16 And uh not to forget its tail. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 421.1 421.29 Oh. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 422.17 423.03 It's a nice beard. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 423.87 424.75 Yeah, it's okay. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 428.37 432.22 And you was making comments on my dolphin. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 428.62 429.3 Yes. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 434.09 434.49 No. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 430.81 434.09 I will beat the dolphin. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 435.08 436.45 Okay, so it's just a bee. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 436.77 437.1 Yeah. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 445.45 446.23 On to the next one. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 437.62 440.12 So I suggest you make us the elephant in the market. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 441.94 444.09 This would be good. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 444.09 445.45 Okay, excellent. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 440.12 441.94 The big and strong player in the market. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 441.72 442.09 Yeah. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 443.04 443.24 Yeah. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 446.64 447.19 Okay. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 448.07 448.93 Uh yeah. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 451.83 454.03 Okay, you should press next. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 452.99 453.73 Yeah. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 454.6 455.53 Yeah, it's up there. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 453.77 454.6 Press next. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 455.73 456.3 Okay. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 458.38 458.83 That's it. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 459.09 462.15 Okay, well the animal I'd like to draw is a tiger. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 464.94 467.07 You picked a hard one, didn't you? 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 470.45 471.75 Experience with the tiger. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 470.61 472.95 My drawing skills are really bad, so. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 474.36 474.85 What? 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 474.85 475.61 They are 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 475.76 477.4 They are really bad, my drawing skills. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 477.05 477.97 Okay uh-huh. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 493.32 494.3 Sure looks smooth. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 493.85 494.13 Oh. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 499.36 501.64 I'm not sure how the legs should go, but 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 508.74 510.6 Uh these are stripes. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 511.91 512.91 Got it. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 518.91 522.09 I've picked this animal because it's very fast. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 525.01 527.45 Uh it hardly ever wastes any resources. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 522.09 525.01 It is uh it knows exactly what it wants. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 527.58 528.41 What does it want? 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 541.55 544.95 And it tries to do everything as fast as possible. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 536.84 541.55 It never kills an animal uh just for the killing, so it's very efficient. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 529.16 535.77 Uh well, basically uh it hunts for prey, but it does it always in a very well-thought way. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 554.7 557.33 And I think uh those things we can use. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 544.95 554.7 And it always goes for uh security, in seeking uh uh a hide spot and uh and doing everything, security, speed and efficiency is important. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 535.77 536.84 Uh it knows exactly what it wants. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 544.52 544.9 Okay. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 549.09 549.52 Mm. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 555.77 556.29 I agree. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 558.37 558.82 Okay. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 559.86 561.67 Yay, I'm supposed to draw the animal next. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 564.96 566.98 I introduce to the world the amazing 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 574.53 574.97 ant. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 579.29 580.29 Uh hard worker. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 581.46 582.28 Great team-workers. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 582.54 582.89 Yeah. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 582.69 583.21 Yeah. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 585.73 587.82 So I'm gonna give it a smiley face. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 583.44 585.73 Do everything to Uh really small, but together they're really strong. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 586 586.71 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 586.13 586.63 Oh. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 591.78 592.96 Not sure where the p. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 592.96 596.08 Just put 'em here. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 596.08 597.04 Whatever. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 602.72 603.18 So 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 601.47 602.72 Think it need shoes. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 626.47 628.53 I'm just too lazy to draw it all black, so 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 631.27 632.29 That's the coolest ant ever. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 632.52 637.45 You've done this before, haven't you? 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 641.58 647.46 Like you take just take your freedom and use a a trendy interface that you design for us. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 638.12 641.58 Just I think it's very representative what we drew, I guess. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 635.78 636.41 It's my hobby. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 636.41 638.12 Anyway Nah. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 634.71 635.78 I love to draw ants. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 642 642.12 Yeah. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 656.92 659.95 another beep to stop the meeting. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 650.52 655.63 You're supposed to make i make it different from uh from what other people have, and just make it a little distinct. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 661.26 661.88 Warning. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 655.63 656.92 Anyway. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 659.95 661.26 See. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 661.88 663.76 Finish meeting now. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 648.28 650.52 Just Yeah. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 666.35 667.15 Uh put this down. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 682.43 683.17 I'll start with you. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 683.17 685.7 What are y What are your first ideas for the new product? 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 670.04 670.73 Examples. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 685.7 686.01 What 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 679.43 682.43 So what do you guys think about The first idea is just very short. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 670.73 679.43 Well I guess we have a little little time extra, but Just a little quick discussion to to open open our work. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 685.35 687.06 Well, I basically had a question. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 689.73 693.01 Is it just the T. V. or do we want to in 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 687.06 689.73 Do uh Are we going to introduce a multi remote control? 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 692.41 692.96 Uh 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 692.53 694.68 The project I got was just for a T. V. remote control. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 694.69 696.7 Just for T. V. remote control. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 697.64 703.25 Well, I was thinking about design remote control, with our uh motto and all. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 703.25 710.05 Uh thing to keep in mind is that we need to stick to what people are familiar with. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 710.05 716.32 No rational changes or whatever, 'cause it revolutionary changes, yes. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 696.7 697.64 Okay. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 695.02 695.2 Yeah. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 695.5 696.64 Yeah, I guess so. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 698.07 698.49 But 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 709.43 709.71 Yeah. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 713.66 716.22 Okay, so very intuitive design, I guess. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 728.42 730.41 T. V. is becoming central in most homes. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 716.76 721.87 Uh we might have to consider other design aspects of our product. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 730.41 738.51 Do we want people who are disabled in any way to uh, yeah, to be able to use it as well? 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 721.87 728.42 So that was something I wanted to add, and perhaps some usability aspect. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 737.13 737.91 Yeah, we want 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 738.82 741.58 I suppose we want almost everyone to be using it. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 750.77 752.18 Um yeah. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 752.18 753.87 I think we really need to cut the meeting short. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 753.87 755.68 You have anything you wanna share quickly? 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 741.58 750.77 So I think I mean, really disabled people, yeah, might be a problem, but I think it's a little take it into consideration. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 754.14 755.87 Hmm. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 763 765.14 That's it speaks for itself, but some uh Yeah. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 755.87 763 Only one thing uh that has to be added according to me is uh the the material it is made of, it should be something light. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 754.63 754.85 Uh. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 763.11 763.4 Yeah. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 775.2 775.59 That's for you. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 778.79 779.8 Just go go for that. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 771.96 775.2 What do we This Quick What we're going to Selling price, twenty five Euros. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 765.98 769.77 Um, let's see, where did I Let's skip that. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 779.8 781.9 We'll reach the uh reach that profit. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 769.77 770.86 Oh, this is it. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 764.1 765.98 It should be light, okay. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 770.86 771.96 Sorry, I skipped this sheet. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 775.59 778.79 The production price, twelve and a half Euros, approximately. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 765.62 765.86 Yeah. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 771.2 772.25 Selling price. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 777.01 777.98 Okay. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 779.97 780.23 Okay. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 782 784.57 Okay, well that's not that much to work with. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 782.22 784.06 international. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 792.51 794.32 About uh marketing transfer, whatever? 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 789.96 792.51 Do you have anything you you came up with yet? 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 787.38 789.96 Anyways, that's Yeah, this is it. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 785.77 787.38 I'm sorry, I skipped it. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 784.81 785.77 No, it's not much to work on. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 797.51 798.14 Marketing? 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 795 797.51 Um about what? 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 801.17 804.33 Or else we'll cut the meeting just cut the meeting short since we're supposed to stop. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 800.31 801.17 You have anything to share? 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 798.14 800.31 Marketing I'm not sure what you what you came up with yet. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 802.7 807.95 Um no, not really yet, but I've some ideas and I will uh 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 806.04 806.36 Okay. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 815.42 816.16 I'm sure we have that. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 813.12 815.42 So we'll just meet back in here thirty minutes. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 808.43 813.12 Anyways, the the personal coach will give you the your p your personal assignments and everything. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 809.2 810.15 say it uh 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 814.82 815.08 Okay. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 814.87 815.3 Okay. 
TS3012a H02 MTD046ID 818.63 819.45 Good luck everyone. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 819.57 821.22 Yeah, thanks for attending. 
TS3012a H00 MTD045PM 821.22 822.32 I'll see you back here in thirty minutes. 
TS3012a H01 MTD047UID 820.46 821.26 Mm, good luck. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 822.37 822.85 Okay. 
TS3012a H03 MTD048ME 833.1 833.62 Yes. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1.45 3.63 Wait for the marketing director actually, so. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 7.23 7.82 Anyways. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 13.64 14.55 Uh. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 30.47 31.37 There you are, okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 21.61 22.26 See, shall we wait? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 22.26 30.47 I'm not sure if he's late or delayed or whatever, so I'm gonna start soon, we have now don't have much time anyway. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 29.57 30.54 Oh, there he is. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 30.5 33.85 Sorry, a little bit of pl little problem with computer. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 29.88 30.5 Yes. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 29.93 30.96 Okay, we 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 32.9 34.97 We're about to start, so have a seat. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 32.4 32.9 Uh no problem. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 39.79 41.32 Okay, welcome again. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 41.32 42.74 Today, functional design phase. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 47.24 53.56 Okay, that was just to get to know each other, have a little thoughts on what your vision is and on this project, so 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 45.43 47.24 I'll take you over the minutes of last last meeting. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 48.86 49.09 Uh. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 53.9 60.2 I put the minutes on the I made on the on the p the the project share, so if you wanna review them, they're there. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 66.06 69.52 Anyways, um today three presentations, from every one of you. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 60.2 66.06 I will do so after every meeting, so if you have some information you wanna take back you can find it there. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 82.89 86.3 And after that we can have the new requirements and share some thoughts, so. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 76.84 82.89 But I wanna start with uh stuff you did first, so we can see what everybody came up with. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 70.55 76.84 Um after that I got some new project requirements from project board, so we're gonna go af go after over this later. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 86.3 87.5 Who would like wanna go first? 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 88.67 90.53 Yeah, sure, no problem. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 90.53 96.14 Um there was a little problem with my computer so not uh the whole uh presentation uh 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 89.41 89.86 Go ahead. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 89.78 90.2 Take it. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 95.06 97.45 Anyway, let's see what you have. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 97.64 98.16 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 99.5 100.09 Um 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 108.08 109.44 Okay, and 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 109.73 110.6 Uh it's still a bit open. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 111.23 114.83 I want to open the my s oh no. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 114.95 117.42 You should close it on your own notebook, I guess. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 118.02 118.36 So there? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 118.36 118.63 Okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 117.42 118.02 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 117.45 118.61 Oh no, that's okay. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 120.64 121.64 Uh slide show. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 133.06 140.29 The the method we used uh it it's not m not a slide, because it went wrong, but the method we use uh 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 124.35 133.06 The functional requirements, it's uh uh very important for uh the user, he he wants to yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 140.29 146.36 um we tested it w uh with uh a hundred uh men 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 146.36 154.77 and we asked them to w uh what the remote uh f feel uh like and uh what what's uh important. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 154.77 155.3 Uh 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 122.95 124.35 Yes. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 157.61 158.41 Is it people, okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 158.41 160.79 'Cause I thought it was only men, so 'Kay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 154.69 157.61 If I can cut in, is it people or men? 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 169.29 169.96 Um 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 156.94 158.24 People, sorry. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 158.24 160.12 Both women and men, yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 160.12 161 Okay. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 161 169.29 Uh the findings um uh seventy five percent of the users find most remote controls ugly. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 170.21 171.8 That's pretty shocking uh. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 171.11 172.88 So we have to s we have to do something about that. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 171.3 179.05 Yeah, and yeah, most th th they want to spend money for a better system, for better remote control,
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 179.05 185.64 so we can do uh a l a little uh nice things with it, and um they use yeah,
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 185.64 190.18 they use zap a lot, um uh fifty percent say they only 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 191.32 194.4 So that's the most important things. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 194.4 198.04 Um oh yeah, not all of it is it on mine 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 192.99 193.85 Okay. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 199.15 208.25 on my PowerPoint presentation, but um uh the relevant buttons are the power, the channel selection and the volume selection. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 208.25 213.57 It's uh the most basic buttons that a user wants uh to use. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 213.57 215.55 Uh less important is tel teletext, 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 200.6 201.69 Okay, just talk ahead. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 208.46 208.93 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 216.24 217.27 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 232.21 234.75 the the hmm? 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 216.93 219.37 uh um they use it 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 219.37 232.21 but it's not uh very uh important uh on the scale of zero to ten they six and a half uh and but not important is the channel selection 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 234.75 245.93 Oh, the the no no no no no, that's very important, but uh w and not important in the audio settings, display settings and uh 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 227.71 228.63 Okay, that's okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 234.28 235.05 That's a little weird. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 235.27 236.44 Which channel selection? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 245.41 248.19 Okay, we can we can hide those under a menu or something, okay. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 246.21 246.81 Oh, okay. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 246.98 247.32 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 267.33 273.35 so uh I think it's a bee beep to sound it and uh you can find it. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 253.44 259.02 Uh um um beep to find your control, was that was in the test 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 259.02 267.33 the the most people uh f find it uh irritating uh when they cannot find a rem their remote control 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 273.35 287.33 And another thing uh they want was uh speech recognition um so they can say uh what they want to let's go to channel one and uh that's uh kind of things. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 249.44 253.44 Um new preferences preferences. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 287.33 296.45 And they want maybe an uh L. C. D. screen um to to look it um wh what's on every channel uh and uh what do I want with it? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 257.99 259.38 That's like a button on your T. V. ? 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 266.26 266.5 Mm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 266.69 267.52 Remote, okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 285.05 285.52 Okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 299.75 300.14 Okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 295.64 298.58 We wanna have a little preview on the remote control. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 298.58 299.75 Preview what's on the channel. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 298.13 298.57 Yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 300.33 301.83 Is that manageable? 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 301.83 303.85 'Cause it sounds pretty expensive too. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 303.74 307.29 That sounds too It's possible, but uh I think it's expensive, but do continue. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 304.13 304.45 Yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 307.64 307.93 Okay. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 308.32 309.14 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 309.14 309.77 Um 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 311.41 320.62 Uh my personal preferences is uh a button for my favourite channel, so I can uh I dunno, so I can zap to my uh 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 322.67 331.65 f uh quick uh to my favourite channel wh what I uh so, the remote mu must see or um 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 333.21 339.89 must um see wha what mine preferences are for which channel, so I can zap t to 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 337.21 343.17 Okay, you don't set it yourself, it just remembers the channel that you are on most, for example. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 343.17 349.62 You want the you want it to be programmed, for example y programmed f or you want it to recognise your favourite channel? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 349.62 354.32 Let's see, you you spend twenty minutes each day on that channel, so it recognises your favourite channel. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 342.44 342.7 What? 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 345.86 346.21 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 347.38 347.63 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 349.6 350.55 Recognise 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 352.42 352.77 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 354.65 358.41 Yeah, that's uh what my personal preference like. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 357.92 362.1 Okay, so it's it it does it recognise itself, you don't have to set it Okay. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 363.36 366.24 Maybe it's easier to to sell it, but 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 361.24 363.36 No, itself. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 368.58 368.96 Okay. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 376.36 379.35 It's a little bit uh I lost it, the computer uh crashed, so. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 368.88 373.57 I don't know it's manageable, but we will uh we will see. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 373.57 376.36 Yeah, it's a little bit uh it's the end of it. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 371.39 371.83 I see. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 376.39 376.9 Okay. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 376.95 377.48 Okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 378.58 382.49 No problem, it's it's okay, that's Yeah, go ahead. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 381.45 382.12 Shall I go? 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 382.12 382.46 Okay. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 386.15 386.58 Yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 392.34 394.45 So, some technical functions. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 393.49 394.19 Darn computer. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 402.51 409.33 It sounds really easy, what does the user do, what does the th remote control do, but there are quite some issues. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 399.47 402.51 Uh let's just start with the method. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 395.62 399.47 Basically I have some issues which you discussed earlier. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 399.31 399.6 Yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 410.35 418.2 So the things I'm going to concentrate on are the user aspect, because the technical aspect, that's pretty much covered. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 419.46 420.6 What goes wrong 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 418.2 419.46 We can do that. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 443.11 444.43 Searches for the button. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 437.29 443.11 I come to some uh personal experience, findings, possible solutions later. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 421.81 423.27 at the user. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 435.24 437.29 Uh these are just the issues. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 430.4 435.24 That was one of your ideas which you posted in the network folder, a really good idea. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 423.27 424.59 Gets the remote control. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 426.05 430.4 We've all had it once, I want to watch some television, where's the remote control? 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 424.59 426.05 Where is the remote control? 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 428.2 428.46 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 432.5 432.71 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 433.45 434.62 That seems very good. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 455.42 458.65 Uh also symbols tend to fade after a while. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 449.3 455.42 Uh so either we lose those or we try to make it a little bit more clear. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 445.6 449.3 There are many buttons on a remote control which are not clear. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 455.12 455.33 Mm uh. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 455.27 455.92 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 473.67 475.56 Oh yes, user presses the button. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 471.22 473.67 Uh covered that. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 479.25 483.01 So you press more once remote control goes 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 459.3 471.22 There's nothing more annoying than faded symbols, because you don't know which channel is this button, so possibly we could find uh something for that, yes. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 475.56 479.25 Um usually when you have a lot of buttons, buttons are small. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 467.29 470.06 Okay, so have it more make it more durable actually. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 470.06 470.53 Okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 484.62 486.52 Okay, so the buttons should be 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 492.91 497.05 And possibly also the size, so more important buttons, bigger si 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 484.86 492.91 kablouey or something like that, so we have to pay attention not to put too mun too many buttons on uh the remote control. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 492.09 492.3 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 490.81 492.09 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 496.68 498.31 Make it make them bigger. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 494.8 495.96 Wow. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 495.96 496.68 The s Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 498.31 499.46 Even more durable uh. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 498.35 509.02 So this is basically what I h had in mind in the fade-proof symbols, locator, a sound, uh so clear we should stick to existing symbols 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 516.9 517.74 Uh 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 509.02 516.9 but maybe we could do a little uh investigation to see whether some symbols are uh need to be replaced by others. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 516.5 516.94 Okay. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 518.79 520.95 This I pretty much covered. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 520.95 529.52 So what we want to go to is not this one, but more less buttons, easy, some bigger buttons. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 525.29 525.95 Yeah, it's true. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 526.16 526.37 Yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 530.66 532.89 So that's basically uh what I had in mind. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 531.76 532.54 Yeah, that's clear. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 534.55 541.79 This is not the final design, this is just a general idea of how I'd like to see uh basically the general idea. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 535.97 537.03 No, of course uh 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 537.9 538.17 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 540.16 541.04 I must say that it 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 543.2 545.16 So that was it. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 543.36 543.57 Hmm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 545.53 546.11 That was it. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 547.87 558.42 So we agree on the the part that we need to get something on the on the remote to find it somewhere and increase it the durability of of the thing,
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 558.42 563.05 so The other aspects, we'll just see how what you came up with and what's possible for that budget. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 546.11 547.87 Okay, that was good. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 555.08 556.69 Yeah, I think it's a really good idea. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 558.53 558.69 Yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 563.53 563.75 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 570.41 570.88 Okay. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 576.33 577.97 Okay, now work a little with me. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 573.84 576.33 Um. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 571.04 573.84 Okay, that's fine. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 601.09 605.66 Because then the buttons have to send out a different signal then they would normally do. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 596.44 601.09 Uh if it should be programmeab grammeale then we need um something like a mode that you can switch it. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 611.77 615.12 Um there are a lot of technical parts in the remote control 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 620.92 630.21 uh I heard ab uh you talking about beeps and about uh video screens, but uh the material inside and the technical aspects are quite complex already. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 615.12 620.92 so uh uh that's why I also would like to say uh go a little bit easy on the designs,
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 605.66 609.41 And uh how big is the remote control uh going to be? 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 580.91 581.5 Okay. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 609.41 611.77 I'll tell you why that's important to me. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 581.5 584.91 Well, let's start it as it is. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 590.97 596.44 Which buttons are wanted, uh is our remote control universal or should it be programmable. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 584.91 586.13 Okay, uh the method. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 586.13 590.97 There are a few questions that need to be answered, uh you already uh talked about it a little bit. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 605.2 605.52 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 630.41 630.99 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 634.98 637.98 So it's that's not as easy as it s might look like. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 630.64 634.98 So keep in mind that everything that you keep uh think of, it has to b to be built. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 641.78 644.44 I have to check out how far I can go with that. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 637.98 641.78 Uh material study, I'm working on that um for the the costs. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 644.44 649.44 Normally, a circuit board is made of fibreglass uh and the wires are made of copper. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 660.22 665.07 The more we can make uh at once uh in one piece, uh that is cheaper. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 649.44 654.79 Uh that is how it is done and all the remote controls work that way, I think we can just go on with that. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 654.79 660.22 Um then I've read more integration of materials means less cost for the production. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 635.41 635.83 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 635.83 636.57 Of course, hmm. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 636.67 637.15 Okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 665.41 668.11 You mean integrate them all into the circuit board. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 668.11 668.41 Okay. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 682.96 686.75 You have the the power coming in, then you have like a switch. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 701.14 705.25 You have infrared and an interv um uh how to say it? 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 693.09 696.35 that thinks over a Morse code, that's how you should see it. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 686.75 693.09 The switch uh uh uh if you p press it then some electrical charge goes into the processor,
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 696.35 701.14 The Morse code goes to the amplifier, then uh the signal is sent to two uh light bulbs. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 667.62 673.46 Exactly, so if we make a circuit board with the the connections already on it, then that's cheaper. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 673.46 678.28 So we have to make something that's not too difficult in design again. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 705.25 708.51 Uh a light in indication, light that you know that it's functioning. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 678.28 682.96 This is what look like uh looks like if you press one button, so this is not the entire thing. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 673.07 674 Yeah, okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 674 674.68 So you have 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 707.16 707.5 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 720.67 726.64 That makes it much more complex, so we really need to have a look, do we want that or not. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 726.64 733.88 Uh I don't have any personal p uh preferences uh so far, except for uh the materials to be used uh light, that they are light. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 709.09 714.59 Uh here again, that's my story about the different modes, if you do want to make remote uh universal 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 714.59 720.67 then the processor has to uh make up a different Morse code when some button is pressed. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 730.89 731.47 Okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 734.65 734.98 Okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 736.7 737.66 I'll get back to my thing then. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 734.98 736.7 That was it? 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 736.18 737.28 That was it. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 742.72 743.52 Uh 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 756.14 760.53 So I got some new information on the project specifications are changing a little. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 760.53 766.27 Like you said uh teletext is not not very popular anymore because the uh the internet,
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 766.27 771.06 nowadays people don't use the teletext anymore or hardly, so it can either 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 753.22 756.14 Okay, back this up to the screen. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 775.29 780.54 But I don't think it should be very it should be one of the big buttons for example. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 771.1 775.29 Well, I don't think we should remove the button, because there are always people who are using it. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 780.54 783.54 Just put it somewhere or under second option or whatever. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 784.93 789.21 Um we're targeting young people now, because our um 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 783.54 784.93 It's not important anymore. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 774.61 775.01 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 797.78 800.76 I so I think it's that's also good with the fashion and everything, so yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 790.43 797.78 This is a new product and with this new product we want to appeal to younger people, which are um the younger people were defined under forty. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 794.11 794.21 Uh. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 795.86 796.08 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 797.39 797.56 Hmm. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 798.59 798.64 B 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 800.45 802.91 Yeah, and they want to pay for it and uh 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 802.56 807.33 They want to pay for it, people are willing to spend money actually to buy a um remote that they like. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 807.33 811.47 If they like the way it looks, the way it functions, so they're actually gonna spend uh spend money on it. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 807.3 808.29 With more 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 811.77 814.36 Where with more technical specifications 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 815.16 816.73 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 816.73 823.91 see how far we can go with it anyway, so And one thing that should be important is that the corporate l colour and slogan are recognisable,
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 823.91 827.22 which is apparently black and yellow, but 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 815.66 816.35 in the 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 818.32 818.62 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 827.56 831.73 I'm not sure if we I think we should keep the the logo in mind,
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 838.54 838.9 So 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 831.73 838.54 because with colours you can uh have a lot of uh fashionable colours and everything on it, which suits everybody's taste. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 841.95 850.58 so why not just steal Nokia's idea and just make changeable covers for your I mean those cost hardly anything I think, and people could even spend extra money 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 839.12 841.95 With that concept I started thinking,
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 845.59 846.11 Oh. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 848.71 848.93 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 851.1 854.47 on buying a cover and so have an entire new remote control that they like to see. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 854.47 857.54 Or we can sh for example we can make a different a basic design. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 869.17 873.1 We make a basic one and manufacture this cover separately. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 865.7 869.17 So you don't have to I think you don't have to make entire remote controls. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 858.23 860.51 And sell the covers separately, for example. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 873.1 878.01 So that was that was my idea on what we could do to appeal this product to everyone. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 878.01 879.07 So just 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 860.51 865.7 That's just a little marketing idea that could be applied, so you can p it appeals to really everyone. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 872.51 872.76 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 877.89 878.12 Hmm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 883.9 884.73 Would you like to share? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 880.32 883.9 I'm not sure if you came up with anything in the meantime, after making a presentation. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 883.6 883.8 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 885.82 887.72 No, I think this is a good idea. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 887.72 888.06 But 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 887.13 887.42 Okay. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 887.83 888.85 But oh? 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 890.59 891.26 Is it easy? 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 888.51 890.59 Is it manageable? 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 889.12 889.42 Go ahead. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 890.02 893.37 Yeah, with with an L. C. D. screen you can 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 893.38 893.66 Oh yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 893.66 895.83 I think we should lose the L. C. D. screen, like you said. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 895.83 901.04 I think for example it's it's huge I think the L. C. D. is huge, it consumes batteries like hell. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 893.96 894.1 Y 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 895.48 896.4 Yes, I think so too. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 895.58 896.37 Why? 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 896.37 897.35 Nokia w 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 895.72 896.16 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 901.03 901.22 Uh. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 914.3 916.14 For example, a little T. V. guide. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 901.58 904.23 I think it takes up a lot of a lot of power. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 904.23 906.56 It costs a lot, I think. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 906.56 914.3 What we could do, what could be possible, is maybe not an L. C. D. screen but with a preview, but y I'm not sure if it's even possible. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 902.7 903.06 Yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 903.31 907.59 And it costs too much to fabricate, so we're on a tight budget here. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 906.02 906.92 Okay, uh 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 906.21 906.86 Okay. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 913.95 914.16 Mm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 916.11 916.37 Hmm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 916.46 922.15 Like you have a little just just a text only, not colour, just a little text thing so you can use your remote as a T. V. guide. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 932.39 935.39 just make a button on your T. V. and just hit the button, it beeps somewhere. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 922.15 929.13 I'm not sure it's even possible, but maybe okay, make it Yeah, find a little compromise in that, but What did I write down? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 935.39 937.83 I think it's easy to implement, we should go for that. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 929.13 932.39 I think the p yeah, the beep is a very simple thing to imple implement,
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 937.83 938.82 Uh speech recognition. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 918.9 919.19 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 919 919.19 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 922.69 924.79 I have to check that out, I'm not sure. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 922.44 922.69 Hmm. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 927.78 928.05 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 932.47 933.11 That must be possible. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 935.53 935.69 Ja. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 937.18 942.59 I'm sorry, whe where do you wanna hit the T. you wanna we want a button on the television. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 942.59 946.46 In th okay, but that rules out a universal remote control. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 937.81 938.49 And it's 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 941.16 943.47 I thin Yeah, I mean where else should you put it? 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 948.04 948.88 Because that's not possible uh. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 948.34 953.77 Yeah, but how are you gonna use that if your I mean if your remote control is lost 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 953.77 955.89 how are you gonna press where are you gonna press the button? 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 952.58 952.68 Uh. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 953.84 954.02 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 956.05 956.59 Exactly. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 956.74 961.66 Maybe just a slap-on sticker with a button which sends out a small signal. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 966.49 969.58 A little little box you can attach to your T. V. is fine then, okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 962.01 965.3 Oh, you mean as like a separate thing you can attach to your T. V. . 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 965.3 966.49 Yeah, that could be possible. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 961.01 962.01 A slap-on sticker. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 964.48 964.81 Mm uh. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 965.02 966.23 Yeah, exactly. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 968.15 977.86 Okay, then uh I'd I'd like to know now if we want the uh universal remote control or not, because that's uh determines everything I'm gonna do. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 977.86 979.3 If not Okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 975.64 976.72 I think it's universal. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 977.49 986.42 I think we should go for universal, because apparently we're a separate company making separate c remote controls to sell to a lot of diverse people. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 986.42 988.52 I think universal remote control should be possible. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 985.97 986.26 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 987.48 987.79 Um 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 988.83 990.34 Okay, then I go for that. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 989.49 993.6 Everyone uh wants to buy it, so we w yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 991.81 993.98 Yeah, I think we're targeting everyone, so remote 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 992 992.15 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 993.77 995.39 No, it's fine with me, but then I know what to look for. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 993.33 993.77 Okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 995.14 996.83 Okay, universal is good. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1000.88 1006.31 So I think implementing speech recognition is such a small um apparatus, it's very hard to do. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 996.83 1000.88 Speech recognition, I think it's very hard, because we're selling across multiple countries. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1001.26 1001.59 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1004.55 1005.1 Or one. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1006.58 1010.26 Or when you say one two uh i it uh it's enough, right? 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1010.26 1010.56 But 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1006.59 1007.05 And it's 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1009.63 1014.12 Yeah, but I don't see Arabian people speaking one, two uh whatever. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1012.5 1013.07 Oh yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1014 1020.11 Besides that, the technology isn't really super yet, so that is a problem in implementing this. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1017.11 1019.06 It's Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1019.06 1023.33 It's not a mature technology, I think it takes a lot of memory and everything in in a remote control, so 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1017.7 1018.04 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1020.2 1020.74 Okay. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1022.64 1026.33 It's a good idea, but it's just not I don't think the market's ripe for that yet. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1026.06 1030.38 I don't think it should be implemented in a remote control yet uh. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1031.51 1036.97 Um well you should you should look into the in into the materials that are real durable. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1030.38 1031.51 What else do we have? 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1029.41 1029.63 Uh-huh. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1029.96 1030.26 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1037.21 1037.45 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1037.58 1043.99 So the the the symbols won't fade, maybe a little harder plastic or especially li we don't maybe we don't have have to do all the buttons,
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1043.99 1049.42 but especially the ones that are um the popular buttons, so those always fade first. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1040.41 1041.69 I already noted that. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1039.59 1040.41 Exactly. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1047.72 1048.55 Mm, okay. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1050.1 1050.35 Okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1054.09 1054.55 Let's see. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1050.57 1054.09 Mm the thing is the most important things that we have now. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1053.53 1053.79 Hmm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1061.78 1065.39 That's fo is uh especially for older people, that they can read it read it in their own language. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1055 1061.78 If we uh make a remote control with changeable covers, then we can also make uh a cover for every language area. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1062.06 1062.58 For example? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1067.3 1069.54 Everything we target is under forty, so. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1064.58 1067.3 Well, we're not we're not targeting older people, we should remember that. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1077.94 1078.62 so 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1069.54 1077.94 You assume that that they read correctly and I think they're The most important thing about young people is that they're really sensitive to to trends that are passing through the world 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1065.43 1065.78 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1067.63 1069.48 That's okay, okay. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1071.27 1071.47 Huh. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1072.98 1073.55 But b 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1077.92 1078.86 Uh okay. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1079.61 1085 But should the exchangeable covers include the buttons themselves or just the 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1084.22 1084.66 No, of course. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1092.92 1096.01 I mean, for example, if you're if you're into the durability issue 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1084.66 1088.83 No, I think it's just something you you put over them, because Yeah we c Yeah, you ca Well 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1088.83 1092.92 tha that's not a that's not a bad that's not even it's not even a bad idea. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1087.36 1087.57 Hmm. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1088.36 1089.32 But every 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1088.69 1091.22 C that's a problem with the with the text then. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1092.83 1093.01 Hmm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1106.4 1107.86 So it's a good and a bad idea. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1104.29 1106.4 Uh I'm not sure it's it's hard to make. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1100.36 1104.29 after I mean if you make a durable remote, they are faded, you can just buy a new cover. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1097.58 1100.36 you could For example, if your buttons are faded,
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1101.24 1101.51 Mm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1104.33 1104.59 Okay. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1118.28 1120.88 It works the same as a Nokia telephone, it's it's in my uh 'kay. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1105.95 1113.44 Uh but I know that the buttons are like a Nokia telephone on uh one sleeve, so you don't have to change your whole cover. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1117.11 1118.28 Know what I mean? 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1113.44 1117.11 Uh we can make something that you can only remove the sleeve. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1112.13 1112.36 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1117.13 1117.78 Oh. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1117.31 1118.57 Oh yeah, I know what you mean. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1123.11 1125.47 Yeah, that's what I something I have to look into. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1119.95 1123.11 Yeah, I know, it's just just a one one piece of rubber for example, okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1125.47 1132 Either either change both the buttons and and the cover or just the cover, I'm not sure which which is easier, so 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1120.95 1121.15 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1122.27 1122.68 Exactly. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1122.67 1122.94 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1130.24 1130.43 Hmm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1137.22 1143.82 just lunch break and have more individual work after that, so let's see what we let's see we 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1132.53 1137.22 Um anyway, yeah, this is what we're gonna do afterwards,
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1155.07 1160.79 that's what we need to know in this phase, because that's gonna be the essential final design that we're gonna come up with. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1148.3 1155.07 I want some you should do some trend-watching, because even if we're if we're gonna do those covers and everything, what people really want,
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1144.91 1148.3 So you have to come up with a components concept, yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1150.9 1151.28 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1155.55 1155.89 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1160.67 1161.02 Okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1162.54 1163.41 Um 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1174.27 1180.71 it was it l it's like all buttons and you have no idea what it does at first, and I'm total T. V. new, anyway. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1164.61 1167.32 Yeah, I think user interface is fairly obvious. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1171.65 1174.27 Uh for example I bought a remote control last week with a new T. V. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1167.32 1171.65 I mean it should be very intuitive, s Yeah, it should speak for itself. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1167.54 1168.38 Pretty straightforward. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1196.74 1200.86 just stick 'em under one menu and uh give it a just put it in in s in a software piece 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1181.21 1189.39 So I think it should be have less or l very little buttons and maybe a second second level menu for the advanced things. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1189.39 1196.74 Or maybe just stick 'em under a menu, like you said the um the sound options and the surround and whatever, they're more complicated 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1200.86 1204.36 you can menu and you can uh select everything you want to to set on your T. V. . 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1202.1 1202.32 Mm. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1204.72 1213.29 Is it techni technically possible to uh send a signal to a television and then pops up a menu,
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1213.29 1217.64 because we're working with different types of television, so we're going to work with that? 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1211.15 1211.25 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1216.99 1217.66 That is true. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1218.23 1218.78 I don't think so. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1219.59 1220.18 No, that's true. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1221.69 1226.94 Because the television needs to respond to the signal, and if it doesn't know how, it's Exactly, that's not possible. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1220.11 1221.69 No, I don't think so. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1223.54 1224.38 Yeah, that's true. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1225.56 1225.9 Yes. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1223.99 1225.56 It's an in-built menu, isn't it? 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1227.57 1228.85 So basically we 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1228.52 1232.46 I'm not sure if it's impossible, but uh there's a chance it's not, so. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1233.28 1237.67 Or we could use a double-sided for less used functions you 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1237.44 1238.95 A double-sided remote control? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1238.95 1240.08 I don't think that's useful. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1241.33 1245.38 I it's basically an idea to overcome these issues, because 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1238.93 1241.33 Yeah, with the cover. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1244.98 1247.13 Yeah, but then you're gonna have a lot of wasted buttons. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1247.13 1252.94 For example you have a Sony T. V. and the half of the buttons won't function if you have a for a Sony that won't for a Philips T. V. . 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1250.07 1250.38 Hmm. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1255.03 1263.13 Because if we use a universal remote control, we're going to have to have most buttons on it, so 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1251.48 1255.03 No, but basic functions but functions which are not frequently used. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1251.8 1251.96 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1255.14 1257.24 I don't think we should Yeah, for exam 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1263.36 1264.16 Mm yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1273.44 1280.23 not not the very complicated settings that you can usually do that with uh either a old old remote control if they really hate that thing, but 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1264.35 1273.44 for ex you have to make it a little decision between the part if you want a universal remote control that it should do what people usually do with their T. V. s,
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1263.51 1264.35 I'm not s yeah 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1273.72 1273.92 Mm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1275.54 1275.89 Mm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1281.56 1282.55 But that might be broken. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1281.72 1285.72 you can't you cannot take into consideration all the different brands of T. V. s. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1285.72 1299.09 I think there's I think there is a standard for example between uh because usually the the menu is the menu button is is usable between different brands. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1288.09 1288.33 Hmm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1297.67 1297.93 Hmm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1302.57 1306.26 'Cause everybody I have a universal remote control and it can use the menu button,
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1306.26 1309.59 so I think I'm not sure, if you can put some research into that, if it's possible. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1299.41 1302.57 Especially the big ones, the big brands, so. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1309.59 1315.18 Uh I think just a b and the navigation is very basic, it's usually the same thing. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1300.69 1301.06 Hmm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1306.06 1306.28 Hmm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1309.6 1310.41 Mm okay. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1319.87 1323.5 For instance, if your old remote control is broken and you buy ours 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1328.13 1330.58 Because otherwise you'll lose functions by buying our 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1313.33 1314.63 Mm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1314.63 1319.87 But I think there must be a way uh to invoke the more complicated functions of a television. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1323.5 1328.13 then uh you should be able to get everything out of the television that's in it. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1324.33 1324.77 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1336.76 1344.68 Yeah, then then you could do everything I suppose, because usually the T. V. s have tha that inside in this other little piece of software, so it's okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1328.27 1336.76 I think so uh we need to put some research into that if if we can open the menu, I think it's possible, just the way how to. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1327.48 1328.27 Yeah, that's true. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1328.7 1329.08 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1327.77 1328.7 Yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1327.81 1328.36 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1333.46 1335.86 Okay, I thi I think so too. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1336.09 1336.71 Yeah, yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1358.73 1359.3 We should not do that. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1353.61 1358.73 and you always grab the wrong one because formatting of the buttons is exactly the same, only the labels are different. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1348.92 1353.61 For instance uh Sony makes all their remote controls exactly the same for all their devices,
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1345.11 1348.92 And I think that our r remote control should not look like uh any other. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1352.44 1352.76 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1356.97 1357.31 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1358.58 1364.75 Yeah I think it should be a little distinct from everything else, because it's either it's both mayb maybe the shape can be a little different. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1364.75 1366.25 Maybe it's a little more curves or whatever. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1360.64 1361.16 Exactly. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1361.02 1361.25 Yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1362.18 1363.47 Yeah, I have some ideas. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1364.67 1365.56 I have some ideas. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1365.15 1366.29 Um yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1365.28 1366.79 Mm that's your uh division. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1367.4 1369.16 And uh with different colours uh. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1367.98 1368.68 So um 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1369.67 1373.6 I'll put some on paper and present them next time uh the ideas that I have. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1373.43 1379.12 Not sure what because we have forty minutes, I'm not sure how much time we have left for the meeting anyway, so. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1372.46 1373.43 Yeah, this. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1374.13 1374.44 Okay. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1379.03 1380.76 I heard a beep go. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1380.21 1383.68 Yeah, but it wasn't me, it was him closing something. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1387.73 1391.07 I mean what do you want, do you want, but 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1383.68 1387.73 So anyway, yeah, we could do some i do some work now on on the design for example. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1381.73 1382.27 Yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1390.23 1392.56 Yeah, but we like some some curves or 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1392.77 1394.09 Yeah, may maybe something like this. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1395.36 1397.02 But though smooth inside. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1410.68 1413.17 Let's see one, two God damn it. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1405.31 1410.68 I think that the the buttons should be the channel buttons should be uh on their own. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1403.51 1405.31 Let's see that you what would be handy. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1400.52 1403.51 So you have the transmitter here for example. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1402.68 1402.87 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1404.99 1405.23 Uh. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1408.26 1409.36 And a light uh 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1414.79 1416.6 Oh, we get the general ideas, yes. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1416.16 1418.79 Yeah, okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1419.64 1420.79 Another one here. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1420.79 1425.52 Let's see what I think this should these are always on top of the of the control, so they should be here. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1423.88 1424.15 Hmm. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1426.32 1432.31 Yeah, and since you're holding it like this, I suggest you put the channel up channel down and volume yeah yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1428.79 1429.65 Think it's like this. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1429.84 1430.31 Volume. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1431.47 1432.75 Withi within the Yeah, just take it. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1434.05 1436.08 So you have the up channel 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1437.51 1441.54 the down channel the volume, do we want that horizontal or vertical? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1441.06 1442.5 Do you take triangles or 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1442.64 1444.56 Uh it's it's fine, I think. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1443.92 1453.22 Um I think it should be I think it Maybe we should make 'em bigger or whatever. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1453.22 1453.69 Yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1445.8 1448.2 This is basically what people are accustomed to, so 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1447.72 1447.91 Yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1454.07 1457.51 Uh maybe the menu button can go i in the middle. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1451.78 1454.07 Yeah, but this is just a g general idea. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1451.99 1452.28 Oh d 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1456.09 1456.81 Yeah, in the middle. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1456.81 1458.87 It's it's usually uh there, but 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1459.7 1460.13 Whoa. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1460.04 1460.88 Mm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1467.43 1468.73 They they won't hear the the beep. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1461.95 1467.43 Perhaps we should also make uh something like a flash on it, if you if it's lost, for people that are deaf. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1468.12 1468.46 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1469.45 1472.87 Yeah, but for example if it's lost in your armchair, we'll not see the flash. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1472.07 1473.64 You won't be able to find it. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1472.12 1472.35 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1473.97 1475.87 And flash takes up a lot of batteries again. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1474.54 1474.66 Uh. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1476.49 1480 Yeah, it's true, but it's it's only has to do so when you press the button that it's lost. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1479.49 1479.92 Just 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1480.34 1480.87 Yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1480.78 1485.36 We could make a combination that it goes beep and that you that some light lights up. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1481.2 1481.34 So. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1483.89 1486.03 And L. E. D. uh on it. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1484.24 1485.52 deaf people? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1490.33 1491.44 Uh let's see. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1485.83 1488.5 Yeah, I thought about for deaf people for example, so. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1488.5 1490.33 We could do that. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1490.3 1491.68 Just a light on it or 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1492.37 1495.88 So we have the basic channels we've got here, uh the power button 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1496.58 1497.28 Oh yeah, it's true. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1496.91 1497.69 somewhere over here? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1498.55 1501.85 Um that thing should be central. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1501.85 1506.39 You shouldn't be you uh shouldn't press it by accident, but it shouldn't be stacked away somewhere. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1500.21 1501.07 Very important. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1505.15 1506.7 Oh, that's 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1505.96 1506.95 I usually 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1508.68 1509.87 press it on top. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1509.87 1511.57 At least that's what I'm accustomed to. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1508.75 1509.28 It's 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1510.01 1510.42 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1513.52 1516.87 I have another idea, I'm not sure if it's possible. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1514.1 1517.63 Yeah, like that's gonna work. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1515.59 1515.89 And 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1518.2 1519.19 What would you like to? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1519.49 1524.01 Yeah, I thought maybe we should move the buttons down and put it here for example to 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1520.46 1520.82 But you r 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1521.95 1527.74 And you are reading from the t you always read from the top to the the bottom of it. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1527.74 1529.33 Yeah, so it's 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1532.81 1536.18 So power button on top. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1536.18 1537 Um 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1527.61 1532.81 Yeah, that's true, you should I think the bu the power button should be on top, 'cause it's the first thing you do, turn it on. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1526.91 1527.61 From top to bottom. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1528.55 1528.73 Mm. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1530.76 1531.02 Yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1539.59 1541.63 Is that somewhere here? 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1543.51 1544.57 The mute button? 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1544.57 1546.49 Do people use that often? 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1546.49 1552.89 'Cause uh I'm pretty much accustomed to it right over here, at least in general, but 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1541.63 1543.51 Is that used often? 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1536.98 1539.59 Okay, mute button. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1539.49 1539.89 Mute. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1539.89 1542.45 Do we hardly I think it should be at the bottom somewhere. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1541.65 1543.5 So i it's sorry? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1544.81 1545.67 Turn the sound off. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1544.09 1544.81 Mute. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1545.59 1547.17 No, it's no. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1550 1550.42 Uh. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1551.54 1551.7 Hmm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1553.16 1558.34 I don't think it's important, but I think it I think it should be you c you could put it somewhere here. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1554.61 1555.99 It's not that important, no. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1557.53 1560.25 Or or with the volume selection. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1561.14 1563.75 No, because it Yeah, people are accustomed to that, it's 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1567.61 1569.16 I don't know where exactly, but 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1561.91 1567.61 Around uh not uh not at top at the around the volume selection. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1567.03 1568.2 Can I have that? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1568.2 1568.62 That's j 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1567.83 1568.12 Sure. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1569.27 1572.12 Take this out and here see 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1574.18 1576.77 Uh are we gonna take triangles anyway? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1576.77 1578.05 I'm drawing triangles, but 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1578.79 1581.5 That's pretty much what people are accustomed to, aren't they? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1585 1587.29 So anyway, I think this is should be 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1581.06 1585 Yeah, it's maybe a bigger lesser than thing. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1588.73 1591.8 the channels and or sh 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1591.04 1591.23 Wha 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1591.5 1594.74 Well, I'm accustomed to the channels being on top. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1592.91 1593.24 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1592.42 1592.91 No. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1595.5 1598.8 Okay, should we chan okay, this two, channel 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1593.58 1595.5 Here, okay. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1593.64 1594.06 Yeah, me too. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1594.5 1595.56 Yeah, that's better. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1595.56 1596.55 On the right. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1601.09 1602.03 up and down. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1601.6 1605.92 Shall we uh also look if it's possible to make a rechargeable remote? 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1605.92 1608.61 That you don't have to buy new batteries if every 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1606.98 1607.21 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1607.24 1612.02 Well, for that is it's on one part it's um it's a good thing to recharge it 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1610.83 1612.35 Maybe it's more ex expensive. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1611.65 1612.4 Mm, yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1617.51 1623.43 You have just put Penlite batteries that are rechargeable, because it's an it's it's it's very annoying. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1613.18 1617.51 Maybe we should what what could be possible is one with rechargeable batteries for example. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1615.18 1615.32 Uh. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1620.29 1621.41 But that's already possible. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1620.78 1623.46 But isn't that expensive in the entire package? 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1622.3 1622.56 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1640.48 1644.48 you wanna be able to put different batteries in it, use it now and not in half an hour. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1630.48 1635.91 Because if it's it's uh useful to have it rechargeable, but at the same time 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1624.26 1630.48 I'm not sure y I'm not sure it's if it's expensive, but just take a look at it, because it might be a very good idea. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1635.91 1640.48 if you don't want recha if you forgot to recharge it and you wanna watch T. V. now,
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1634.36 1634.67 Yes. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1640.36 1640.54 Yes. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1644.56 1645 Okay. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1655.58 1657.98 So then you can choose, you have every decision. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1657.98 1658.52 Know what I mean? 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1645 1650.37 Uh you could make a device, but I'm not sure how that uh is possible with the costs, that you can put in normal batteries,
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1650.37 1655.58 rechargeable, but it you're the remote also can act as a recharger. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1649.7 1650.21 How about 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1651.11 1652.06 I think I have a nice idea. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1659.68 1660.79 Not exactly uh. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1660.25 1666.6 You can uh put in normal Penlites, rechargeable Penlites, but they can also be recharged with the remote, with a wire. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1663.18 1663.44 Hmm. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1665.92 1666.44 Yeah yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1666.62 1671.77 I think it's uh it's a pretty good idea to have uh like sort of a maybe a base station that you put on the T. V. . 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1671.77 1675.02 Could be flat, you could insert your uh remote into it. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1667.98 1669.58 So but 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1668.53 1670.06 Yeah, that's g 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1677.19 1678.87 Uh a normal wire would be better. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1676.02 1677.19 But I think that will cost a lot. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1681.75 1686.07 You can uh just put it in the electricity and it charges itself, you don't need basic station. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1678.87 1681.75 Like a like a P. D. A., a hand-held. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1679.27 1679.56 A what? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1677.58 1679.27 I'm not sure. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1685.37 1694.7 we were talking about the fact that we wanted to insert either a beep or a flash into the thing with a little separate signal or So you could put that on a T. V. for example. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1697.15 1703.29 It's a very small Yeah, I'm drawing it big now, but So you can put your remote on flat for example. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1694.7 1697.15 It could be very flat, could be very small. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1684.92 1685.37 Well 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1689.22 1689.55 Yes. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1692.12 1693.98 That is possible, that's true. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1695.68 1695.91 But 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1697.37 1697.73 Which 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1701.52 1701.68 Mm. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1704.11 1704.4 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1704.56 1707.08 And at the backside of remote just just just a little hole 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1707.79 1708.04 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1711.4 1712.67 I don't think it's very expensive. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1708.31 1711.4 for example um you just put it down, it recharges for example. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1710.23 1710.39 Yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1715.27 1720.73 'Cause that means that we have to implement rechargeable batteries, a docking station 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1712 1715.27 But again, isn't that too expensive? 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1712.87 1713.03 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1716.13 1718.1 I'm not sure if it costs a lot, that that's what he r 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1717.36 1717.52 Mm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1719.26 1721.09 That's that you that's what you buy yourself. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1721.91 1722.86 I'm going to try to find that out. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1721.27 1721.91 Yes. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1722.86 1725.25 I'm not sure if there's information available on this, but 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1724.09 1726.41 It's just an idea, we have to find out if it's possible. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1724.55 1724.96 But 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1725.68 1727.75 And do people actually want that? 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1727.75 1731.15 To pay extra they want to pay for rechargeable? 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1727.32 1728.85 Yeah, they want to pay for it. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1728.84 1730.81 Do they want but they want a rechargeable one? 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1729.92 1730.19 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1731.57 1733.87 I'm not sure, you should find out if it's if rechargeable is important. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1732.41 1736.74 Th uh there was not a el ask esque 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1741.2 1742.37 Well, this is comfort. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1738.08 1741.2 So I think people will pay they wanted to pay for comfort. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1736.15 1738.08 These are uh comfort issues. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1735.51 1736.15 Hmm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1735.91 1736.18 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1737.82 1738.16 But 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1742.52 1751.57 we just assu we we could either make a separate station which just sends a signal to the remote control to either beep or flash to find it 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1741.48 1742.52 They want to pay for comfort 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1751.57 1753.35 um and 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1744.66 1746.13 But f hmm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1749.65 1749.99 Yes. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1756.08 1760.43 Yeah, we have to either that or make it integrated with a with a docking station. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1757.63 1757.82 Hmm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1761.69 1763.33 I think this is a brilliant product. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1763.33 1764.19 I would buy it myself. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1759.79 1760.71 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1760.71 1761.69 Exactly. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1768.68 1770.64 So um let's go through the 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1766.96 1768.68 I like the beep part anyway. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1763.36 1766.96 I think it would be good actually. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1767.38 1767.49 Uh. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1772.03 1772.93 I never thought 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1771.04 1772.03 That's a brilliant idea. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1770.09 1771.04 I like the covers. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1771.57 1773.44 Can can we save this or 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1777.51 1778.31 We even saved the ant. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1772.47 1773.9 Covers is covers is good. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1775.42 1777.51 Up and saved. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1773.9 1775.42 Yeah, it's Oh we can save this. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1779.45 1781.82 Um 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1783.46 1784.15 Okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1785.92 1790.22 So what we have is you have I think you have to do a lot of work on if it's possible for the cost. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1790.57 1793.61 I hope if I have information about that, I'm gonna 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1796.28 1800.66 We are going for twenty five Euros sales price, but just try to find out what they're willing to pay for it 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1802.82 1807.54 we could lose a little profit and maybe attract more customers, uh we just have to see what it looks like. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1800.66 1802.82 because if they're willing to pay more,
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1792.01 1796.28 Maybe yeah, or maybe you can find out i what people are willing to pay. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1793.22 1793.43 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1793.84 1794.09 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1797.35 1797.95 Yeah, okay. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1800.49 1801.1 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1805.45 1805.76 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1804.51 1805.45 Mm. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1806.21 1806.49 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1808.05 1809.65 I would like to make a decision. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1809.65 1816.16 What it costs and what kind of materials that we can uh choose what we want in it and exactly, I need it. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1819.44 1820.64 Hmm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1813.12 1819.44 Yeah, if you have some financial information that that'd be nice, so. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1820.56 1826.49 Could you post some other essentials of what people want, so that I can work with some buttons, where to put it 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1827.26 1827.59 Yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1828.26 1830.42 You seem to have information on that, I'd like to uh 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1831.92 1832.89 see some of it. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1833.16 1835.98 Was it not possible to uh send emails around the office? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1836.15 1838.86 No, it wasn't wasn't allo it was possible, not allowed, so. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1836.63 1837.78 No, it's not. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1837.78 1837.98 No. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1837.04 1838.41 Not. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1839.89 1843.46 So that's um why I'm not sure that you're allowed to share documents on the on the draft. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1840.28 1840.64 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1842.02 1843.91 My computer crashed, so uh 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1843.48 1844.38 Yeah, okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1848.59 1849.42 Um 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1845.64 1848.59 I haven't heard any complaints yet, so. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1844.85 1845.64 I don't care. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1845.63 1848.08 I lost my uh presentation, but 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1845.81 1846.59 Oh, your computer. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1846.59 1847.14 Okay. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1849.49 1851.34 I have the uh 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1850.82 1855.48 Well, I have your PowerPoint presentation, I can get some inf information out of that. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1853.33 1854.22 Yeah, but I 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1855.31 1858.81 Here I have the the s the homepage of uh our 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1856.29 1857.1 Let's see. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1859.71 1860.97 internet, and here is my 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1859.76 1862.71 Yeah, the oh, they inc uh they include the new one. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1862.71 1863.55 Or just for you. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1862.75 1864.06 Oh, where would we 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1863.96 1868.74 here is my marketing report, maybe you ca you can look at uh that and 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1865.89 1866.89 Oh no, I didn't have that. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1870.6 1873.59 Where would we want the uh teletext button? 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1873.59 1876.98 Because we decided that it's n not that important. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1876.98 1878.51 Do we put it somewhere over here? 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1872.84 1873.97 Ah yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1873.97 1874.92 And one 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1874.4 1878.47 All it tells just let's make make a new tick the new one. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1881.52 1883.4 Yeah, let's increase it a little because 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1879.57 1881.52 Um other side. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1883.48 1885.48 And uh wha what people want, 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1885.05 1889.07 Or maybe this is something for the next meeting, I can draw out some ideas. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1886.92 1887.56 I've uh 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1894.73 1896.45 so the more less important 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1888.35 1894.73 Yeah, draw us up some some designs of of possible just keep in mind that the important buttons should be on top and either big 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1890.62 1891.89 I have another thing uh 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1893.73 1893.94 Yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1898.22 1899.77 I can put the other buttons in 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1894.98 1898.22 Well, we have decided more or less the basic structure. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1897.38 1898 More or less. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1899.24 1903.28 Just play a little with this, put l shift a little up or down and we'll see what looks best. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1901.93 1902.13 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1903.74 1904.93 What uh what did you wanna say? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1904.96 1907.98 Or just po post your designs from time to time on the product share. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1905.78 1906.22 Um 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1905.06 1905.78 Yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1907.33 1907.59 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1914.39 1920.19 but it it's also for people, they want to learn it fast, not uh they want to 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1908.33 1914.39 Uh what I al already said is the the uh the remote controls are always lost,
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1910.53 1912.37 Maybe another idea uh. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1919.35 1919.56 Mm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1919.08 1919.35 Mm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1919.75 1923.42 Yeah, so we don't want we want very little buttons, just the buttons you use a lot. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1921.44 1921.61 No 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1922.75 1923 Mm. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1923.39 1926.54 It's yeah, it's easy to learn wi and uh 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1925.23 1930.25 Yes, but it should cover all the functions, so possibly, just an idea that popped in 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1928.02 1932 Well what we had function that what people do, so. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1938.24 1941.05 That's the basic fu that's what you do I'm not sure who present that again,
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1941.05 1945.25 but those are the basic function that people use it for, so those should be very well represented. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1932 1938.24 People change channels, people they change the volume and they they change channel, they turn T. V. off and on, for example. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1928.79 1929.12 Um 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1945.34 1953.23 Yeah, but we could go a step further, because some T. V. s have the uh possibility to adjust brightness, that kind of menus. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1945.55 1945.9 And 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1949.43 1949.99 The 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1951.85 1952.17 If 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1955.23 1958.25 Everything is you say in every T. V. that's configured under the menu. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1953.17 1955.23 That's true, but that's what we stick under the menu button. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1956.03 1956.9 Yes, but it 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1963 1964.19 If it isn't, then we cannot reach it. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1960.3 1963 Because it needs to be configured in the television under the menu. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1958.62 1960.3 But that's the question, is it? 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1958.75 1959.85 Because we're making 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1959.42 1959.9 Um 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1962.61 1963.25 Yeah, but 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1964.28 1967.18 We need to adjust to the technology. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1965.28 1968.18 But I think most modern T. V. s have it in their menu. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1968.27 1969.49 I think so too. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1967.11 1968.27 I think so too. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1969.49 1972.86 Uh isn't there a possibility to do research on that, so we know that for sure? 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1968.54 1969.04 True. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1983.38 1987.61 That's a bad bad com commercial for okay. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1973.72 1978.39 If you rule out functions, then uh and that gets known, then people are not gonna buy it. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1978.39 1983.38 Then the consumer bond or something says uh you cannot do this and that with it. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 1978.54 1979.61 No, I thi 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1982.9 1983.76 If um 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1985.69 1987.11 Uh we'll we'll see what we can come up with. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1995.97 2003.43 Um on my report, I didn't uh ish I didn't show it in my uh presentation, because my computer crashed. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2003.43 2009.29 Um they want to pay for an L. C. D. screen and speech recognition. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 1987.16 1995.97 Another thing I want to say is that uh we are looking at the market for the age uh younger than forty. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1995.25 1995.6 Yeah? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 1993.88 1995.25 Under forty. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 1995.29 1995.76 That's true. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2001.67 2001.86 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2002.96 2003.43 Yeah yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2007.24 2007.47 Hmm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2009.57 2009.82 Hmm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2010.44 2011.76 The want to pay for Oh. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2010.76 2011.03 So 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2014.98 2016.9 Do they realise how much that costs? 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2011.98 2013.81 Did they really said it like that? 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2013.81 2014.98 Those two things. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2016.9 2017.89 That's almost undoable. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2014.65 2015.42 Yeah, and 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2012.8 2014.65 i yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2015.41 2016.06 Uh shall we? 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2017.01 2017.39 Yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2017.95 2022.7 Oh, we're not going to be able to sell it for twenty-five then, with an L. C. D. screen. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2018.1 2020.32 Younger, age sixteen and forty five. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2018.75 2020.14 Uh but 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2021.54 2023.36 That's all here, here it says 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2024.12 2028.32 Even if i if we have this lost unit, then we cannot do it for that price. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2022.52 2024.12 No, that's that's. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2024.93 2028.36 Yeah, age sixteen forty fi interest in main features more critical. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2028.36 2029.98 Okay, so we're not focusing on this. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2025.18 2026.23 If if they 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2031.56 2032.76 Um 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2034.24 2037.44 All the interest in features, not really the L. C. oh here. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2037.44 2041.01 Would you pay for uh speech recognition in a remote control. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2041.01 2042.03 Hmm, okay? 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2044.51 2045.12 Yeah, that's true. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2045.94 2046.54 So uh 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2048.34 2048.84 we can 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2048.9 2051.03 Speech recognition is quite 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2055.35 2055.76 Yeah. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2050.46 2055.35 We can look at the possibilities for an uh L. C. D. and uh I dunno. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2053.48 2053.73 Mm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2057.61 2061.55 it's supposed to be a luxurious remote, maybe it's not even that expensive. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2061.55 2066.94 Or find a compromise, maybe just a black and white or for some extra information on it, on your programmes. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2054.17 2057.61 Yeah, just look at the possibilities then, because if apparently it's what people want,
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2056.17 2056.42 Hmm. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2057.57 2059.25 How much it will cost and 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2058.76 2058.89 Uh. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2063.9 2064.59 Uh I 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2064.78 2065.08 Um 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2065.23 2066.88 Well I doubt it, but 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2066.36 2068.37 But I really need finance information. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2071.06 2072.15 Right. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2068.96 2071.06 I mean we all do. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2068.44 2068.96 Me too. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2072.15 2074.21 I think it's something we should put into consideration. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2074.21 2076.66 Apparently it's what people want, so. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2076.66 2078.63 We should see if what it costs, if it's possible. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2069.42 2072.16 It will come uh 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2070.09 2070.91 We all do. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2076.32 2076.6 Mm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2078.4 2078.6 Uh. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2078.89 2079.21 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2080.59 2080.85 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2083.2 2088.98 Yeah, we should do a little thing about design, because it looks boring really to me. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2088.98 2093.01 Even if you put it even if you put a different cover on it, it looks still looks boring, so. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2091.92 2093.58 Different colours maybe. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2092.98 2094.63 Hmm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2097.48 2098.16 Philips has this. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2094.63 2095.94 And the design, it should differ. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2095.94 2097.48 This is Philips, huh? 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2095.12 2096.55 But all 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2097.86 2098.75 I have no clue. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2098.75 2102.05 I just drew something what which would fit into your hand easily. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2098.52 2099.96 Well, I had basically 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2100.15 2100.48 Okay. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2101.85 2102.07 Hmm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2103.17 2103.36 Uh. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2104 2105.82 Something like this. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2105.82 2107.36 To make it kind of futuristic. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2108.17 2108.59 Mm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2108.59 2116.44 Oh, I realise if we make it small, then it needs to be a little thicker, because I need to put all the electronics in it. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2116.44 2119.58 If we make it s uh smaller, uh less wide,
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2119.58 2122.94 then we need to m make it a little thicker, because I have to put all the electronics in it. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2112.65 2113.97 I think it's a very 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2115.83 2116.09 Sorry? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2119.31 2119.91 Yeah? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2129.8 2134.08 Huh even if in the worst case we can even Could you give me the pen back? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2126.73 2129.8 I mean we can stick it in in there, I think. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2122.32 2123.38 Okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2123.38 2124.34 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2124.34 2126.73 Yeah, but you have to j just keep in mind it shouldn't be too heavy. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2124.78 2125.29 Okay. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2128.87 2128.98 No. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2130.46 2131.61 So what kind of 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2134.34 2134.83 Yeah, sure. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2135.21 2140.66 So let's say that people would want an L. C. D. thing. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2140.66 2146.19 Let's take take the basic design again, what we oh, crap uh came up with. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2146.19 2147.44 I'll just make it a little bigger now. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2154.05 2154.56 Anyway. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2152.48 2154.05 So a transmitter here. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2156.17 2160.23 We could let's say we have an L. C. D. screen, people want an L. C. D. screen. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2160.23 2162.91 So then we should probably put it here. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2164.92 2168.71 It doesn't have to be really big, but just just have to be has to be there. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2168.71 2170.14 Think it's a good place, people don't 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2166.84 2167.13 Hmm. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2170.69 2176.13 If you're reading from top to bottom, I think it's better to put it uh at the top. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2176.13 2176.75 It's j 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2174.84 2175.57 No? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2175.57 2178.23 It's not that uh it's not the most important function, it's just an extra thing,
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2178.23 2181.31 it just you press the buttons on top, because your finger is on top. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2176.04 2176.29 Me too. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2177.59 2179.56 Ah but. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2178.46 2180.07 Uh. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2180.07 2184.48 But i if you if you are going to uh put the L. C. D. on it,
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2184.48 2189.51 I think it's very important to use it, uh because it's use it uh 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2189.73 2190.92 How can you use an L. C. D. screen? 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2194.23 2198.96 So you can use it maximum, because uh it's a lot it costs a lot. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2191.65 2194.23 But nee the function of it. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2200.58 2201.17 So 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2200.59 2201.94 Yeah, but why I I'm not sure. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2201.57 2203.78 Now it's pretty much tucked away in your hand. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2204.07 2209.75 Uh if you t if you press a button, you can see it, ri I'm not sure wha I'm trying to imagine myself what it would look like. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2204.61 2204.85 Hmm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2208.87 2210.21 No. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2210.21 2212.79 M I personally would prefer it on the top. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2210.61 2211.33 I'm 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2213.31 2214.42 You would prefer it n Okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2214.42 2216.35 So we have three people saying it should be on top. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2213.57 2214.11 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2214.37 2214.55 Huh. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2222.92 2223.42 Anyways. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2218.87 2222.92 Okay, but then you would would s have to stack away your buttons somewhere else. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2218.96 2219.65 But it 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2222.15 2222.42 Hmm. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2223.01 2224.98 It's expensive to build it, so 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2224.88 2225.19 Mm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2225.77 2226.88 Uh this looks a little 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2226.23 2227.98 you must use the maximum of it. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2226.32 2228.5 I'm still not convinced of the 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2230.35 2235.28 Well if it if it's if it's possible wi if it's not too expensive, we should include it, because it's it's cool. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2228.79 2230.35 About the L. C. D. s thing. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2229.82 2230.23 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2230.26 2230.46 Hmm. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2232.07 2232.82 They want it uh. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2237.37 2241.15 If it is possible we should really do it, but we need that information. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2233.97 2237.37 We should just try to make that if it's possible. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2241.14 2241.31 Huh. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2242.64 2243.39 Uh. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2243.39 2243.92 But uh 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2243.12 2250.4 Also keep in mind again, the L. C. D. screen is very flat, but it needs transistors, resistors, I don't know what more and that needs space. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2251.77 2252.94 So I have to look if that's possible. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2254.4 2255.32 Yeah, I know uh. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2254.98 2255.9 But if we 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2255.19 2262.63 So basically can I what we have to decide now is uh what goes on top. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2262.63 2269.03 Do we put the volume control and the channel control here, or do we put it on he Would we like to press it in the middle? 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2256.91 2258.62 Uh we have green now uh 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2267.36 2268.14 In middle of it. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2271.73 2275.06 Maybe in a circle for example, like we like in this example. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2267.71 2271.73 Or maybe we should m we could uh draw draw something a bit that has it on on on the bottom. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2275.06 2278.56 I think this is not good, but for we could make circular buttons for example. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2269.16 2269.84 In the middle. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2278.67 2278.92 Hmm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2279.94 2282.67 For up and down, ma make it a circle on it, because it 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2280.14 2287.44 Yes, but we do agree that we keep this at the centre, because it's basically the most important function. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2284.26 2284.63 Yeah. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2288.02 2291.94 Channel button should be st stick together, for example here in this section. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2285.81 2288.02 I think the channel button should be in the centre. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2291.94 2292.77 Because it's uh 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2286.28 2288 It's the most import yeah. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2292.25 2295.4 Well, that would make them quite small. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2295.4 2297.01 So maybe you'd put them here. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2295.08 2297.76 We're not sure about the size anyway, just a general design. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2297.76 2298.86 You can make it as big as you want. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2298.86 2301.08 For example if you take uh 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2299.96 2304.13 Yes, but a big remote control probably not something which people would like. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2303.21 2303.61 Hmm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2303.4 2304.69 No, let's see. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2304.69 2307.07 For example just 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2311.04 2314.8 It is rechargeable, so we can stick with one instead of two. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2306.21 2311.04 If we have a a space issue, we can also lose one battery. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2314.8 2315.6 That might be an option. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2314.92 2318.63 I don't think if we if we even use an L. C. D. screen, we need to, definitely. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2313.71 2314.92 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2324.53 2325.67 But it has to be a little bit heavier. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2318.8 2324.53 Yeah, but if we need two batteries and an L. C. D. screen, that means a lot of space that we need. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2324.19 2327.25 Yeah, but we have to see what the si what the size is. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2327.25 2329.71 The L. C. D. doesn't have to nee doesn't need to be very big. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2327.16 2327.42 Okay. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2332.58 2332.98 space. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2330.26 2332.58 No, but the things behind it. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2334.41 2335.17 Mm let's see. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2335.37 2336.44 Like a process uh. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2335.48 2338.19 Finish meeting now. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2338.19 2339.42 It's on your computer. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2338.34 2339.36 Finish meeting now. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2340.31 2340.96 So either 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2339.36 2340.31 Okay, we will. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2339.98 2342.52 So would we like this or would we like the 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2342.92 2345.48 We either we have to decide what what people want. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2345.48 2347.48 Either this one, this this could be the luxurious one. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2343.98 2344.96 I like this one more. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2348.76 2351.46 So we have channel buttons here. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2353.88 2354.64 Uh 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2351.46 2353.88 I'm just drawing something uh. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2357.8 2359.42 I think this would this would look cool. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2359.42 2360.76 You could have it for example 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2364.19 2371.48 small buttons here for some extra functions, so if your basic function's here, we should like we decided before, programmes up and down, 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2364.52 2364.92 Uh. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2375.09 2375.27 Mm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2375.23 2376.19 and volume here. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2375.31 2377.55 Let's see what we have here. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2375.37 2375.87 Or 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2376.73 2378.84 And uh what about speech recognition uh 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2379.07 2383.57 Well you can just no, I'm not sure if we can do that, but we could put a microphone in here for example. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2380.6 2385.42 Yeah, yeah, but or or an L. C. D. or an uh speech. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2385.42 2386.86 I think it's L. C. D. is better now. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2385.35 2385.76 Mm. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2391.07 2393.09 But let's cut the meeting for now yes. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2386.78 2391.07 Just to do research into both, w what it costs and what it takes for space. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2389.06 2389.23 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2390.26 2390.78 I'll try to. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2390.58 2390.85 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2397.07 2402.06 and not like some vague serial number that no one understands, like with cars. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2402.06 2403.57 Shall we all try uh to think about a name? 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2392.63 2397.07 One more uh thing I'd like to say, uh let's give this uh a name,
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2400.91 2401.58 Okay. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2401.48 2404.8 Yeah, okay, yeah, that's yeah, that's okay. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2403.5 2404.48 So I think of a name. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2404.46 2405.82 Yeah, let's think of a name, okay. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2408.73 2411.21 Uh okay. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2411.94 2412.42 Oh, good. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2413.33 2419.66 Okay, at anyways, the the minutes will be on the on the web shortly, so there we go uh. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2414.59 2415.14 So 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2419.25 2422.56 Yes, go and finish up and I'll see you at lunch. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2423.59 2423.94 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2429.73 2430.1 Good luck. 
TS3012b H00 MTD045PM 2430.77 2431.33 Yeah, to all. 
TS3012b H03 MTD048ME 2431.21 2431.83 Same. 
TS3012b H01 MTD047UID 2431.58 2431.94 Yeah. 
TS3012b H02 MTD046ID 2438.4 2440.51 Yeah, I've Do we uh save the? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 4.55 5.12 Did you manage? 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 5.69 7.32 Yeah, sh not quite. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 7.82 8.13 Okay. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 8.82 9.74 You will see uh 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 11.99 12.41 Hello. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 9.97 11.99 Ah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 12.53 14.07 Hello. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 14.07 15.92 So, are you d what were j you guys discussing? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 16.64 19.29 No, just uh ask if if he could manage. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 18.76 18.94 Woah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 20.04 20.28 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 21.54 22.95 Did you find anything new? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 20.32 21.54 Okay. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 23 24.72 Mm uh nothing special. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 24.72 24.88 Uh 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 24.82 25.08 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 25.31 26.52 I have a lot of new information. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 25.82 29.68 Yeah, the for uh the trendy uh stuff. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 27.21 28.09 Great, great. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 32.1 33.29 I uh now will show it. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 31.41 32.1 A little bit. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 31.58 32.28 Come on. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 34.9 36.85 Hey, everything alright. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 36.85 37.46 Did you manage? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 36.47 43.84 Well, I had just a little bit of time, so I hope it's something uh we can work with. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 43.84 44.03 But 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 39.47 39.96 Okay. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 40.02 40.57 Okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 41.78 43.14 What's uh here. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 45.21 46.06 It just uh 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 44.02 45.21 Yeah, I had the same. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 49.29 50.67 Do you have a lot of new information? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 47.25 49.29 Do you have a lot of new information? 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 47.69 49.25 shuts itself down and 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 49 49.23 Hmm? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 58.09 65.95 which was pretty much up to standard, so we might use that I put that in my drawing, but again I didn't not have that much time. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 65.95 66.81 So 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 50.64 58.09 Well, I heard that there was a new uh component speech recognition component,
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 58.04 58.31 Oh. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 58.48 58.96 That's true. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 58.95 59.55 And there we are. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 60.9 61.1 Huh. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 67.11 69.44 I have a lot of new information. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 69.44 74.92 I have a complete list of uh everything that we can use, all the components that all av available. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 74.92 79.77 I have no I still don't have any finance information, but at least we have a lot more to go on now 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 66.23 67.11 Alright. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 67.69 69.84 What the f oh, yeah uh. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 70.86 71.99 It doesn't do what I want it 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 74.67 75.91 Okay, that's just super. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 75.91 76.4 Let me just 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 79.54 80.2 uh 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 80.31 83.21 Okay fine, that's too bad. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 83.21 84.49 Yeah, I have to start our 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 84.53 85.01 Okay. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 82.15 84.53 You need to start it up first? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 85.62 85.91 'Kay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 88.86 91.17 Okay, go again. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 95.02 99.34 So, take you past the minutes of last meeting again. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 99.34 102.4 Again you get your three presentate to see what you came up with. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 93.12 95.02 It's fine, everybody knows what we're talking about. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 104.78 107.05 So that's too bad. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 107.05 109.54 So then we'll just have to d uh have to go on, you know 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 113.58 114.94 So 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 109.54 113.58 the information that we have to make the make final decisions on uh on a conceptual design. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 91.17 93.12 Well second phase, conceptual design. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 102.4 104.78 So too bad we don't have any finance information apparently. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 95.78 95.94 Yep. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 135.24 138.87 So we have to make a move on that area, I guess. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 115.4 116.1 Here we go. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 138.87 144.82 S especially s when when the new uh component is applicable in our uh product, we'll be fine. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 122.92 123.57 Same goes for you. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 116.1 122.92 Anyway, last w last w what discussed last time, you all remember that, that we have to keep the electronics size in mind. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 123.57 135.24 We have to have an easy design with big buttons which are durable and there are people actually spen willing to spend money to do to get more features and uh among those features L. C. D. screen and voice recognition are very popular. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 149.71 154.01 And the consumer, yeah, we aim for young consumers, so that's fine. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 161.21 162.46 That's too bad. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 162.46 166.47 Yeah, we need to im de we are going to implement the beep and the flash thing to recover your remote. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 145.87 149.71 Anyways, well teletext wasn't important and that's what I took. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 174.27 175.3 So anyway. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 166.47 174.27 So one of these interchangeable covers apparently which will make it a more fashionable product. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 154.01 161.21 And well actually we yeah, we did need some more data on finances, but w yeah we still don't have that apparently. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 160.29 160.82 Mm uh-huh. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 187.23 188.47 So uh how about you go first. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 185.51 186.4 We have a lot to tell. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 176.38 179.37 Guess we'll have to do this after the after the you give your presentations. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 179.37 185.51 So I'll just close this one now, and let's uh let's see,. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 186.4 187.23 You had a lot to go on. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 184 184.91 Okay, what t 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 184.2 184.75 I bet 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 187.59 188.08 Yep, that's right. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 188.58 189.33 Okay, yeah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 189.56 190.02 Oh okay. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 194.15 195.19 Let's see where my 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 197.35 197.96 presentation is. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 213.16 216.18 Then warning, uh there has to be a chip in our remote control. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 229.72 237.79 The available uh components for energy are, we have a basic battery, a hand an uh dynamo, like in uh old torches. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 211.44 213.16 We need to take care of that. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 226.83 229.72 So we have to decide on that in a minute. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 247.44 248.45 Then I have all lists. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 204.85 207.17 Okay, um this I mentioned before. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 237.79 243.11 We have a kin uh kinetic provision, then you have to shake the remote control to get the energy. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 224.2 226.83 Of course this is more expensive than this. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 245.02 247.44 I suggest that we uh decide on that one uh immediately. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 207.17 211.44 Every feature for our remote control needs to have their own operating electronic devices. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 248.45 248.85 So 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 243.11 245.02 And we have solar cells. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 216.18 224.2 And the chip requirements uh needed for a normal button uh is just a simple chip, uh scroll-wheel, and L. C. D. is an advanced. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 229.1 229.64 Okay. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 250.19 255.07 My personal uh fav favourite is the kinetic provision because uh I ha 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 250.74 251.21 Um 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 254.56 255.62 Does it provide enough energy? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 256.52 257.35 I think so, yes. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 257.72 264.52 Also if if we were choose the the L. C. D. option, would it give enough energy Okay, that's the just assume it takes. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 261.19 261.43 Yes. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 262.39 263.16 Yes. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 263.16 268.12 Because I had the information uh you take uh the remote control, you pick it up at least two times a day. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 268.12 270.92 So then it's already shaken and gives energy. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 270.51 272.78 Well, I'm not sure if it's shaken enough, because 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 271.2 272.14 Is that enough? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 272.14 275.79 Because I don't really see people shaking their remote control before using it. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 273.39 273.67 Or 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 287.87 289.64 I don't think that's applicable because 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 283.87 287.87 So I don't think that's a really good the other alternative were solar cells. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 278.39 283.87 But I'm sure t I mean remotes lie still I think like ninety nine percent of the time. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 274.63 278.39 No, I don't think so, because uh watches can go on kinetic energy because they move all the time. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 276.92 277.25 Think 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 280.47 280.6 Hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 282.73 283 Hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 289.08 292.11 Other options are solar cells, hand dynamo and basic battery. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 289.8 290.12 No. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 292.5 294.35 I thin why why shouldn't we take a basic battery? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 292.73 294.73 And what does the hand dynamo oh, sorry. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 294.42 296.24 A rechargeable maybe. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 294.23 294.42 Yeah. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 296.07 297.18 Only basic battery? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 297.18 298.38 Okay, but I think this is not a r 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 300.04 300.92 It's it's common. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 302.44 304.22 So why sh mm I think better. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 297.27 297.66 Why not? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 297.66 300.04 I mean everybody everybody knows how to use that. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 300.92 302.44 So and it's available everywhere. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 297.61 298.92 Re rechargeable basi 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 301.61 301.74 Yeah. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 303.17 306.7 Yeah, but I think this rules out our unit our rechargeable unit. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 306.7 309.19 This is really a really basic battery, a normal battery. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 303.68 303.94 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 307.77 308.57 Yeah, but it's 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 309.48 313.14 Yeah, uh it wasn't it wasn't in the options, a rechargeable m module actually. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 309.73 309.94 Oh. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 311.13 311.31 Huh? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 314.05 315.02 Okay? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 312.85 314.05 Okay, that's uh. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 319.42 319.86 So 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 317.97 319.42 But that's up to the consumer himself. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 314.77 317.97 Okay yeah, b you c of course you could place re re-chargeable batteries. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 316.2 316.5 Basic. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 315.22 316.2 Yep. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 322.14 323 That's what it says. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 319.57 322.14 Okay, but then we don't offer a re-chargement function. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 324.33 325.36 So we cannot choose from it. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 325.36 325.85 So 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 322.99 324.33 Well, mm it's not in the list. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 326.75 327.02 Alright. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 328.47 329.76 Next one is curving. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 328.09 328.47 Yep. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 329.76 333.17 Uh we can make a model that has one curve, two or three. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 325.51 326.75 Exactly. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 327.02 328.09 Right. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 326.75 327.93 Okay, will just take regular batteries. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 328.4 328.71 Okay. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 334.23 337.45 And uh uh th uh the shape. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 341.44 341.85 Yes. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 337.45 340.47 Of course uh the more curves the more expensive. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 340.47 341.44 Exactly. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 334.55 336.05 Curves being? 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 338.52 338.9 Okay. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 342.33 344.52 I was thinking along the line of one curve. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 338.57 342.33 Of the remote control itself, okay. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 344.52 346.15 I'll show that in my design. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 340.78 341.12 But 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 341.56 341.94 But 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 342.18 342.48 It dep 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 345.64 345.98 But 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 345.97 346.24 Hmm. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 347.01 348.49 Okay, we'll get back on that later. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 348.49 348.89 Just 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 347.57 348.79 So we'll get back to that. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 348.12 348.45 Yeah. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 349.5 350.87 I think one curve is uh fine. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 349.1 349.5 Hmm. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 349.92 350.14 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 350.49 354.94 But what were the implications if you if put more curves it it's gets more expensive. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 359.19 359.54 Okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 354.94 359.19 Okay, so I think with with the extras that we had there it's two curves I suppose. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 351.56 352.72 Depends on the user. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 353.98 355.13 More expensive. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 355.13 355.84 More difficult to make. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 376.61 380.25 If we choose titanium, uh we cannot use more than one curve. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 358.48 359.7 Exactly. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 372.62 376.61 Uh if we choose plastic, we cannot choose solar cells for energy. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 368.88 372.62 I have to offer a plastic, rubber, wood or titanium. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 359.7 367.81 And I believe even that the r the number of options we have on putting things in it uh goes down with exactly. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 367.81 368.88 Material. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 365.32 366.39 Also decreases, okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 376.68 376.92 Okay. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 381.52 382.54 But we don't have that so fast. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 384.3 385.33 We'll just go uh 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 381.9 384.3 More than one curve, uh yeah okay. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 382.89 389.53 Okay, I t I'd go for plastic because I have a couple of curves in my design. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 389.53 391.86 Well, g let's just get back to that. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 386.61 387.8 'Cause it yeah, I'm not sure. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 388.22 388.4 Mm. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 389.19 389.42 Yeah. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 389.28 389.65 Mm. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 391.08 395.87 Okay, we have so I think we can rule out um I'm not sure we can rule anything out. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 395.87 397.55 We'll do that when y when you get your design. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 390.04 391.08 We'll discuss that later. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 391.69 392.09 Yeah. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 392.05 392.39 Okay. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 396.27 396.36 No. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 397.74 399.06 But I think wood is not an option either. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 399.05 400.48 No, wood's not an option. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 400.48 400.79 No. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 399.27 400.6 No, wood i wood's not an option. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 400.6 404.05 Well it it's stylish, but we can yeah, but you can change your covers anyway. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 400.62 400.88 Okay. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 402.53 402.75 Hmm. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 403.07 403.27 No. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 405.06 411.02 My personal thought was uh rubber because I had an email, I believe it was from you, uh f against falling. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 404.22 405.06 Okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 413.59 415.02 So you don't want it to break. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 409.3 413.59 Yeah, is it keep in mind that it it's it's uh it fal uh remote controls fall a lot on the ground. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 415.02 419.31 So either have rubber edges or a rubber remote control is very durable. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 419.31 420.41 But Continue. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 416.29 416.56 Hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 420.09 420.86 Uh 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 418.57 420.09 Okay. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 420.09 425.06 Yeah, but it doesn't have to be unbreakable, because we do need to keep selling these thing 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 420.5 420.8 No. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 428.52 430.18 I mean it they they fall a lot. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 422.25 428.52 Don't have to be un-breakable, it's p it's a it's not supposed to ju yeah, break after one use. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 430.18 430.57 So 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 425.54 425.72 Mm. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 428.14 430.48 Okay, well that that's definitely true. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 428.48 428.6 Yeah. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 432.76 436.08 Uh because if we make removeable covers, it has to be one of those mat materials. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 431 432.76 I think we have to decide on this anyway. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 436.08 438.38 We have no more than this. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 430.64 431 Mm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 438.38 438.67 So 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 438.7 442.69 Because it well, ru will rubber actually protect the remote control itself? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 442.69 443.3 Because it 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 445.42 447.14 If it falls it might crack. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 447.14 449.39 And rubber uh kind of softens the fall. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 442.81 445.42 Well, you have for if you if for example if you take hard plastic. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 448.48 450.07 Yeah, but then you buy a new cover. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 450.07 451.39 But rubber 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 450.64 452.97 I'm not sure if it's the it's the entire cover you change. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 452.97 454.29 Uh, it's could be. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 453.52 453.8 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 453.55 456.54 Are are we focussi focussing on on the 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 464.53 468.81 But I think the basic thing let's just rule out wood for now and continue. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 460.7 464.53 If we wanna expand our options, f be fashionable, then we can get changeable covers. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 455.66 457.82 You know what, th we're focusing very much on the covers now. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 457.82 460.7 I think it's just w now we're going for the basic design. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 457.99 458.34 But 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 465.21 466.86 But 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 465.82 466.01 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 468.19 468.46 Okay. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 475.81 476.71 Yeah, that's okay. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 476.71 477.22 Nah, that's 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 475 475.81 Younger, okay. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 469.12 475 Not that but are we focussing on the uh younger people or the elder people? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 473.91 476.91 We're definitely focussing on the younger people, 'cause that was our main goal. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 490.76 493.57 We have a large history, our company, on push-buttons. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 481.88 487.52 So Interface, uh I have four things to offer, pu uh normal push-buttons of course. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 478.64 479.26 Alright. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 479.26 481.88 Then I proceed, but I need to know after this meeting. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 487.52 490.76 Um uh we have a lot of expertise on that one. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 493.57 497.29 Scroll-wheels, uh those can be pushed as well, although that is more expensive. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 497.29 501.34 Um liquid crystal colour display and um 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 482.05 483 Okay okay, we will. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 482.57 482.86 Okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 492.49 492.77 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 504.11 507.62 Okay, and if we use rubber, I already mentioned that, we can only use rubber buttons. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 510.95 513.48 Push-buttons, that's b uh I think basic. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 502.45 504.11 What is this? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 507.62 509.89 So rubber can only match with rubber. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 509.89 510.95 Which one of those are we gonna use? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 509.59 509.9 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 513.41 514.66 Yeah, o of course we're gonna use. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 518.4 520.92 I'm still deciding on what what what could you use it for. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 533.8 534.75 For channels will be good. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 526.35 528.76 I think a push-button for channel would be better. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 522.57 526.35 Channel, I think that would be annoying because it might accidentally scroll onto another channel. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 520.92 522.57 Maybe for volume control. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 528.76 532.7 I mean it for volume control it's it's a smoother motion, you can just increase or decrease. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 532.7 533.8 But not sure. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 513.08 513.41 Evident. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 514.66 518.4 But I didn't I didn't go on the thought of a scroll-wheel actually. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 514.99 515.54 Yeah, of cour 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 515.24 515.42 Huh. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 515.55 515.9 But 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 518.99 519.12 No. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 521.04 521.85 I think the channels. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 523.63 523.7 Oh. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 525.96 526.11 Yeah. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 530.38 530.5 Huh? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 531.21 531.47 Huh. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 533.28 534.12 Hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 534.12 534.46 But 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 533.53 538.04 Yeah, but there is a is it really necessary 'cause a normal push-button can do that job. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 536.21 537.79 I haven't I haven't taken it into consideration. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 535.66 536.21 I don't think so. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 540.19 540.66 Mm no. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 537.79 538.44 Oh. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 537.46 537.79 Huh? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 538.44 540.19 Ah so but it looks cool. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 538.13 547.23 But th the younger people my investigation turns out that the younger people want a little bit uh material that that is uh spongy and uh 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 538.83 540.05 I don't think we really need one. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 545 545.4 Ah. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 544.32 545 Oh. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 545.4 546.71 flashy and yeah. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 550.05 554.22 It's not that much uh if we take a normal scroll-wheel without the pushing, then it's not expensive. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 548.02 550.05 I think would be cool, scroll-wheel. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 554.22 554.78 We can do that. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 548.2 548.7 So 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 551.16 551.48 A sc 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 554.84 555.71 But why do we need it? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 555.2 556.42 Yeah, but why would we use it? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 555.29 555.45 Think. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 556.39 559.01 Ah we don't need it, but it's uh it's design a design thing. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 557.02 557.29 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 557.82 558.3 If we don't need it 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 558.3 563.61 why put it in your why put it in your in your if it's if it's not something people are looking for or is useful. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 558.73 559.89 Yeah, you get 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 563.8 564.12 No. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 567.04 569.64 So they might find that attractive in a remote con 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 563.95 564.76 I think they are looking for that. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 564.76 567.04 Of course we have uh a young target group. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 565.45 565.79 Are they? 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 568.3 569.1 Scroll-wheel? 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 569.1 569.55 Uh I don't know. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 568.67 573.16 Yeah, but if it's if it's not useful, I don't think it I don't think it gives an extra function to the remote. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 573.16 573.81 Anyway 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 572.26 572.79 Yeah, that's it. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 573.62 574.62 Okay. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 574.62 576.04 So push-buttons we will use. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 576.04 577.07 Uh L. C. D. screen? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 578.39 580.48 I have t I have two different 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 577.94 578.39 Perhaps. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 578.6 579 Is that s 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 578.85 580.61 What you what what'd you get on the L. C. D. screen? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 581.41 581.8 Does it 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 580.61 581.41 Is it expensive? 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 579.91 580.14 Yeah. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 587.8 588.88 And that is more expensive. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 582.52 587.8 Uh I only know that if we are using that, we need ano uh an advanced chip in it. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 588.41 590.29 And how much more expensive is that? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 590.29 590.66 Or 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 592.22 592.9 I only have 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 590.73 592.22 I have no absolute numbers. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 590.2 590.73 I have no idea. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 592.16 597.82 No absolute numbers, but it's just more expensive and takes more room I suppose in your in your design. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 592.16 592.34 Okay. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 597.02 599.16 Yeah, but I don't think room is really an issue. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 606.33 609.09 we should take it take it t to consideration to build an L. C. D. screen in it. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 600.94 606.33 Oh let's go for let's say because it is uh very hot in n our target group I think 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 599.71 600.94 Don't think it's an issue, okay. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 616.47 621.78 And then I also have a standard edition, which wi we can also choose to develop too. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 609.37 616.47 I have two designs, one including uh an L. C. D. screen, wh which is basically the deluxe edition. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 612.48 613.26 For the future. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 614.05 614.66 Okay. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 615.27 615.47 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 625.8 628.16 We'll pick a we'll pick from uh we'll just combine everything later. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 624.42 625.8 Okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 620.46 624.42 Which basically has the same functionality, but lacks the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 622.45 622.82 Yep 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 623.95 624.53 Exactly. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 625.62 626.16 But we'll 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 631.3 634.21 Uh that's no longer an option, it has to be an advanced one now. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 628.29 628.82 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 645.65 646.91 Are we gonna do that or not? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 640.24 642.3 Otherwise it's not s a remote control. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 642.3 645.65 And we have the sample sensor and speaker, the voice recognition thing. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 629.58 631.3 Electronics, uh the first one is the chip. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 634.21 636.19 'Cause we have the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 636.19 640.24 Then we have an infrared sender, I think that's basic, we cannot do without. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 628.82 629.58 Okay. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 635.17 635.34 Yep. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 639.39 640.3 Basically, it 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 639.59 639.8 Yep. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 641.46 641.77 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 650.91 651.44 So 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 647.5 650.91 Once again I was would ask you if it's expensive, but apparently you don't have any data. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 647.62 648.76 Oh, I got 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 650.84 654.29 I only have uh uh relative information. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 653.54 656.93 Well what d what was exact what you got on the on the new component? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 656.15 658.33 I got an email that it's relatively small. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 658.48 659.02 That's small. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 659.02 660.62 So we can implement it. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 660.62 663.17 So why why if it's small and we can imp why shouldn't we? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 660.13 661.12 Yes, let me just 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 663.63 664.56 Get back. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 664.09 664.6 Oh how did you 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 666.83 670.41 What was uh the last number of how many people were interested in voice recognition? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 664.3 666.83 And there's um get your mar marketing report? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 665.32 666.86 That goes also for the scroll-wheel, by the way. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 671.4 672.94 Um uh 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 672.48 674.48 Although it's hard for different countries of course. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 674.28 676.24 The most of them um 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 675.71 678.95 But you have to programme it yourself, I suppose, with your own voice. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 679.88 683.08 Um uh more than uh sixty percent. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 683.69 686.1 More than sixty percent of the people would like voice recognition. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 685.46 686.15 Yeah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 688.36 689.44 Uh I'm I have to look it up. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 686.15 688.36 Mean of uh seventy percent I think. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 688.28 688.47 Hmm. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 689.74 693 If it's small, if it's fits, if if people like it, why not? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 693 693.4 So 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 690.63 690.74 Yeah. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 697.78 699.38 That's strange, because that's the same story. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 692.18 692.75 Hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 692.75 695.59 But don't we have any w uh information about scroll-wheel? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 699.38 705.43 It's it's not necessary like an L. C. D., but it's just it adds something to the design. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 696.12 697.78 If people would like that. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 695.59 696.12 Scroll-wheel. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 696.41 696.68 No. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 697.74 699.14 No, only 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 701.12 701.46 I don't know. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 700.55 701.12 Ah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 704.07 711.12 Yeah, but we got some data on people that actually are int are interested in that, and I don't think a scroll-wheel offers new functionality 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 711.12 715.73 whereas speech recognition and L. C. D. screen do offer new functionality in your product. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 708.21 708.48 Hmm. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 710.92 711.55 On the most spee 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 711.61 711.75 No. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 713.43 713.63 But 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 715.04 715.49 Oh that's r 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 722.06 722.73 So it's m 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 716.87 722.06 But I think uh we now already have to uh implement uh an advanced chip. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 728.81 731.47 probably you have one with uh with speech recognition and 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 721.56 728.81 Uh I think so, because if I think we're specially w if you're going maybe uh if you have the two editions you wanna wanna give out 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 722.87 724.87 Yeah, for the future. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 732.12 735.13 Well, they b they basically can have speech recognition. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 735.13 738.18 I mainly focused on the L. C. D. uh aspect. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 735.98 736.71 Um 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 739.09 740.51 Were were you we're finished? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 740.51 740.83 Or 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 738.21 739.09 Yeah, hold on a minute. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 740.52 741.72 No, but that's that's okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 742.19 742.33 Oh. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 743.78 744.92 Because if there's something that 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 744.79 746.14 'Cause you wanted to see them, right? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 745.79 746.3 There is still time. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 745.81 747.27 'Cause have did you have all the materials? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 747.27 748.24 Or everything that you desc 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 749.34 750.21 I have a clear picture. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 747.67 749.34 Yes, this was uh the last M. S. . 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 753.27 753.92 Uh 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 749.47 751.57 Okay, so uh just just go for design for now. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 751.57 753.27 Just m have a seat for a second. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 756.66 758.57 We'll combine everything after this. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 757.83 759.82 So this is basically the deluxe edition. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 761.2 762.43 Why is it s why is it squared? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 761.34 761.63 I j 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 763.29 763.98 Why is it square? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 764.74 768.48 Or uh not square, but why is it yeah, sharp corners. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 763.64 764.74 Why did you pick square? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 764.88 766.37 It 'cause it's designy. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 767.96 770.65 It's basically it has some futuristic 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 774.8 781 But I just thought that uh in normal remote controls you have like smooth curves and this and that,
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 774.07 774.8 I don't really know. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 781 784.02 and this is something new, this is something different, something fresh. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 773.07 774.07 Potentially, yeah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 773.32 773.65 Yeah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 775.27 775.98 People 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 776.29 777.79 Looks like a Star Trek phaser. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 785.36 786.65 It's true. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 787.76 794.53 And basically what you can see here is that it has a little, yeah, let's say gap which you can put your finger in. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 788.49 788.63 Ri 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 794.3 796.67 Or Okay, so just yeah, you can rest it on your finger. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 793.93 794.3 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 796.67 797.07 Okay. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 795.47 796.83 So only r right-handed. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 796.01 799.26 So you can you can hold it really comfortable, that's basically the idea. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 798.15 798.42 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 798.22 801.1 But it but it's only right-handed then. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 802.23 802.6 Or 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 801.1 802.23 Not for the left. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 801.22 802.4 Or left hand. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 802.4 803.61 I doesn't really matter. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 804.29 804.66 So 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 801.25 804.29 No, it just uh it's a curve inside a thing. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 804.09 804.31 Hmm. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 804.47 807.26 As you can see, this is the remote control 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 804.73 805.2 Where? 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 805.68 805.78 Wher 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 806.16 806.75 It's on the back. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 807.6 809.43 Oh in the back, okay. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 809.43 810.12 Oh yeah yeah. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 812.13 815.47 So just imagine it goes that way. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 815.47 819.62 Then you can see you can hold it in your left or in your right hand. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 819.62 824.5 And I also made a quick image, 'cause I did not have that much time, 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 808.35 812.13 Uh you can't really see it that well, but this is the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 811.86 812.2 Okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 814.89 815.76 Yeah, I think it's okay. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 816.67 817.1 Yeah yeah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 815.07 815.74 Oh yeah yeah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 815.74 816.32 Okay. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 816.32 816.67 Yeah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 820.63 821.24 I thought it 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 819.73 820.63 Yeah. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 826.07 827.84 of the standard edition 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 829.92 832.78 which has basically the keys are pretty much the same. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 834.18 836.62 Keys are probably the n the number keys, I suppose. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 838.96 844.61 So excuse me for the uh inconvenience here, but as you can see, the keys moved. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 837.36 838.96 I had to do this really fast. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 836.58 837.36 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 842.34 843.09 Okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 844.78 848.25 Well, you can work on the actual concept or actual design later with him. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 848.25 848.49 But 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 846.5 846.82 Yeah. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 850.14 856.4 So if we were to select the L. C. D. screen, the transmitter here, you can see the light i 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 848.05 850.14 So these are basically the two types we have. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 878.45 881.39 I think it would be very expensive to produce two whole different products. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 856.53 864.28 Well, I think what you have to keep in mind is that um you're moving the the the number keys from the top. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 873.06 878.45 So which actually making a whole different product instead of two different models. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 869.43 873.06 So it would that would give us a totally different design. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 864.28 869.43 Uh in the the simple design you have them at a top, and the uh complex design you have them at the bottom. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 881.39 881.85 So 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 881.01 881.99 Well we can shift that. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 881.99 886.99 But normally, as you can see there, we put the uh number buttons right on top. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 888.16 894.41 Whereas because we had the L. C. D. screen here, we had to move them downward, so what you could say is that 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 892.64 900.88 Yeah, uh or for example, why did you pick the mm the numbers uh all the way below, and the and the channels and volume control 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 902.98 909.03 So if you hold it in your hand like this, you put your finger in the gap, this is the m most easy part. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 900.02 902.98 Because these are basically the functions you use the most. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 900.36 902.15 Well it it's yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 909.52 909.94 Okay. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 909.67 909.91 Bit. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 910.28 911.33 Hmm, I agree. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 910.76 914.13 For zapping, cau because people are zapping most of the time. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 910.91 911.43 That's fine. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 911.43 911.78 That's fine. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 911.2 911.53 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 919.2 919.47 But 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 912.87 916.36 Just as long as you tak took it into consideration what people would prefer. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 916.36 919.2 Uh, okay if you all agree, I'm fine with it. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 917.91 918 Hmm. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 920.78 921.02 Yeah. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 926.41 932.04 As you can see here, this can be spaced for extra keys, which is the design thingys. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 922.07 923.08 Okay. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 923.08 926.41 So that's pretty much ha which I had in mind. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 931.03 931.56 Okay. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 936.24 940.07 So I can uh show my uh investigation. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 933.51 936.24 No it maybe it's better to look uh what the people want. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 936.02 937.37 Yeah, I think we'll 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 940.9 944.95 I think we're going towards the deluxe edition anyway, because that seems to be what the people want. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 944.95 946.32 But let's see what's what they want now. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 943.96 944.92 Yeah, maybe it's better. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 945.6 945.88 Yeah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 945.94 947.31 Especially for young people. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 947.43 947.71 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 948.55 951.34 Um where is that? 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 951.34 951.85 Where is th 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 952.86 953.27 That's mine. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 958.12 958.67 Uh 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 957.43 958.12 Oh. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 958.67 960.65 No, you should send it to the f to the folder first. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 960.69 961.01 Yeah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 964.73 966.5 Mm I forgot that. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 964.91 971.36 Okay um, let's just assume we go to forty one. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 973 974.22 Okay, now it must be there. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 977.46 978.2 Yeah, here it is. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 981.85 982.11 Oh yeah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 991.13 1002.82 Okay, uh the investigation turns out that the most appear uh people want um um uh look and feel likes is uh uh the s the same as before 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1008.96 1018 Um the second important thing is um the it must be uh technol technological uh innova vative. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1002.82 1008.96 but it must be w a little bit fancier than uh the the look of it. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1018 1021.8 So that's the L. C. D. screen is perfect, I think, and not uh 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1022.19 1023.13 Speech recognition. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1023.26 1025.52 Yeah, tha that's uh very important. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1026.72 1028 And a third thing is 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1036.21 1039.71 I think that's uh what you showed is uh perfect. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1029.42 1036.21 um yeah, it's uh should be easy to use, so not not too much bu buttons and uh channel selection. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1041.64 1052.94 And what the pe young people want is uh in Paris and and in Milan uh it showed out that the fruit and vegetables are uh are trendy. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1055.97 1062.77 And um the contrast uh of it, it must uh the the buttons must a little bit spongy material. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1062.77 1065.34 So uh rubber, I think uh th that's the best. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1052.94 1055.97 Th they you s you see it in the clothes and everything. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1052.91 1053.25 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1063.09 1063.26 Hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1064.7 1065.58 No. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1065.58 1066.53 Yeah, uh I agree. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1065.43 1065.83 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1068.34 1069.48 If that is the uh 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1065.49 1068.34 Then rubber would be the best as a material indeed. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1072.08 1079.67 So the elder, yeah, they wanted a little bit of wood in it and uh that's uh th that's not uh important now. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1067.28 1068.19 No. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1068.19 1072.08 So we are uh we were focussing uh on the younger people. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1067.7 1068.31 I think so. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1070.73 1071.48 Okay, agreement. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1072.05 1072.4 Okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1079.33 1080.89 Okay, so we're definitely going for rubber. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1083.65 1085.3 Our focus is the young audience. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1079.89 1082.01 It could be a c it could be a cover. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1082.01 1083.65 But it's not. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1085.3 1086.69 So let's stick to that. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1081.42 1081.73 Yeah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1083.53 1084.56 Yeah, but 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1083.86 1084.74 Let's just go 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1085.84 1086.2 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1086.88 1087.28 Uh-huh. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1087.33 1093.45 'Cause uh n I I I I thought uh it makes a young uh classic remote with uh 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1093.31 1099.45 Nah, I think we're in this case you're losing the the focus on the young group, because we're that's what we're focussing on. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1099.45 1101.88 So I think the spongy feel gives us rubber. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1096.78 1098.79 Yeah, that's why I I d uh 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1099.94 1100.51 decided 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1102.3 1102.7 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1102.42 1103.79 With a fruit uh 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1104.09 1105.17 Yeah, w th apparently 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1106.67 1106.92 Uh 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1104.98 1106.67 cover ov or something like that. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1106.26 1112.84 Yeah, apparently yeah, maybe also yeah, I tend to disagree with with uh with a sharp form. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1112.84 1117.94 I suppose it basi if you're uh saying fruits and vegetables, maybe it's supposed to be a little little more round. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1117.03 1121.25 Yeah, in in form of an uh vegetable or an uh fruit, maybe. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1120.51 1122.7 Yeah, for exa maybe like uh like a pear or something. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1145.97 1148.47 So I think that's more something you can focus 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1126.64 1136.32 The idea now is is is that you can uh put a cover on it, for example, with fruit, like a shape or whatever. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1141.04 1145.97 And then you have your apple-shaped remote control, which is not trendy anymore. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1121.32 1126.64 Yeah, but that's just more a se a seasonal, a trend thing. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1136.32 1141.04 But not 'cause a n next year it will it'll be something completely different. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1122.31 1122.75 And 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1123.67 1124.41 Oh, where is your 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1126.1 1126.49 That's true. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1126.32 1127.2 That's what we're doing. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1127.56 1128.34 A trendy 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1134.5 1135.27 Mm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1135.89 1136.03 Hmm. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1135.9 1139.58 I think shape is is important, because they s they really extend. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1136.92 1139.25 Here he here you can put a 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1139.81 1140.07 Hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1140.98 1141.35 Oh, that's true. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1150.86 1153.19 So I I th the edges are really really sharp. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1153.19 1153.98 I'm uh not su 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1146 1150.86 Yeah, but now you have your your like your Star Trek phaser thing shaped control. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1151.43 1152.02 Well, you can s 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1151.9 1152.57 Uh maybe it 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1155.54 1157.92 But that will bring extra c expenses. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1153.28 1155.54 What you can do is smooth the edges indeed. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1157.55 1157.78 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1158.08 1164.23 Or maybe just make it make it up into into a low a smooth curve instead of just less sharp twist on the outside. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1159.18 1159.46 But 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1162.15 1162.41 Yeah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1165.94 1166.78 So it's better 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1163.5 1165.94 All uh veg uh fruit and vegetables are round. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1166.38 1166.71 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1171.26 1172.05 The edges are too sharp. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1172.05 1173.61 The bottom is fine of course if it's square. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1173.61 1178.29 But maybe just th make uh the top a little round it off on the sides. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1167.17 1171.26 I think I think there needs to be a little I think it's too too sharp. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1178.29 1179.61 So I mean y 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1172.21 1172.49 Yeah. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1178.99 1182.08 But I think, according to my information, this would be two curves. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1183.89 1185.03 That would be two curves. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1183.92 1184.17 Two? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1184.14 1188.64 We have one left and one right, and that disables what was it again? 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1189.63 1190.08 But it 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1189.77 1192 It's some it's something that we cannot do then. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1192.52 1195.23 One cur you could also make the curve go through of course. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1195.23 1197.19 But that would make make the top round. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1195.83 1198.32 Well we've got we've got like one curve here. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1201.61 1202.02 We don't have. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1198.95 1200 Okay, that's not a problem. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1200 1201.61 That's only for the titanium. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1199.85 1200.43 For the gap. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1201.93 1203.7 But it's that that's for the comfort. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1203.7 1207.17 It's it's not for the trendy thing of it. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1202.76 1204.08 And we could have one here. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1207.16 1208.14 No, no no no no. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1208.14 1214.46 What I'm just 'cause you mentioned that more curves the more expensive, so I'm just taking that into account. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1213.06 1213.68 Yeah? 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1213.68 1214.43 Okay, yeah. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1213.6 1214.31 Yes. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1218.85 1220.76 So but we're not d we're not using titanium. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1215.06 1218.85 But let's see, titanium would give us only one curve. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1219.25 1219.92 So we have 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1217.97 1219.25 Then w yeah, but we don't have that. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1219.68 1221.05 So the no. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1221.11 1222.05 We have no. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1221.49 1222.72 Well we picked rubber, right? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1224.03 1224.53 So 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1222.88 1224.03 Right, we did. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1224.96 1225.82 But they uh 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1225.31 1225.91 We m 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1237.58 1240.22 We were looking at something fresh, something trendy 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1225.52 1231.54 So basically what we can do is m make these edges a little bit less sharp. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1231.54 1237.58 But the problem then is that it will start to resemble m the remote controls as we have them today. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1227.76 1229.34 Just doodle something on the board on the left. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1228.33 1229.06 form. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1240.55 1245.08 Well actually, we're setting ourselves apart from by technology alone actually. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1246.21 1248.32 So that let's see what you're doing. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1249.6 1252.33 They th these wha are what they call the curves. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1252.33 1254.49 This side, this side, this is how they count. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1253.06 1253.78 Oh, okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1254.94 1257.64 Not not really the curves on the on the side of the remote. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1253.78 1254.94 I don't think like that. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1253.73 1254.34 Okay. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1257.44 1259.63 This is what they uh what they mean. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1257.08 1257.44 No no. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1259.63 1261.41 Okay, that's not really a good. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1259.63 1261.54 Okay, so that's basically silly. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1260.79 1266.4 Okay, now I uh of course now I understand why they have more uh like um 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1267.57 1268.3 Why the curves 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1274.55 1276.77 So Okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1269.59 1274.55 um decrease the the um the size the electronics that can be inside. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1277.81 1280.72 I don't think the outside would be called as a curve really. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1281.99 1282.33 Yeah. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1282.44 1283.07 It's like this. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1289.01 1291.71 Well, if you see what I have to come up with some designs fast anyway. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1283.48 1289.01 I think it's for all the basic well, looking from the side anyway. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1291.71 1292.13 So 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1292.08 1296.39 But you can make uh if you want to use a fruit in uh in uh 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1292.52 1292.69 Hmm. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1297.6 1298.54 Okay. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1298.76 1302.03 But isn't the f the fruit like a cover thing, because we 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1299.09 1299.63 Uh 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1302.14 1306.27 Well, you shouldn't focus on the mostly on the covers, because lot of things we came up with 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1311 1312.98 but we're not sure if we can actually make that. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1306.27 1311 shouldn't be too really too much shouldn't be too focussed on the covers because it's kind of an idea of our own 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1303.73 1304.3 Hey, you 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1307.66 1308.7 You can make it like 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1309.09 1309.33 Hmm. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1309.77 1310.37 No, but 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1309.99 1310.59 Like this. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1316.71 1320.82 Because it that's just for one seasonal trend. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1311.71 1316.71 But if we put that directly into the design, we limit ourselves extremely. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1332.33 1337.35 you could put more covers on it, y one one with square or um sharp corners if you want to. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1318.29 1327.96 That's the one thing I'm also afraid of with this one because it the edges are really um they might stick out on the on the side for example. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1337.35 1342.21 So M just round it off a little, I guess, because so we have more options I suppose. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1327.96 1332.33 If you have a basic design, a little m a little smaller on the on the s on the edges,
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1319.67 1320.1 Well 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1322.29 1322.5 Oh. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1325.85 1326.12 But 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1324.41 1325.85 As a example. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1324.85 1324.93 Hmm. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1328.27 1328.56 I d 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1336.67 1338.52 Okay, so that's well, that's probabl 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1340.26 1340.58 Hmm. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1341.08 1344.09 ,0 you'd just like it to go a little bit more like this. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1359.9 1363.15 So so we come to a decision. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1344.7 1348.67 I think so because it looks leaner and we should just go with that. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1348.67 1352.38 Anyway, you have all the time in the world to make to make the final design in a minute with him. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1352.38 1359.9 So So we decided on what what did you guys wanna know again because this is um anyway, I'll fire up my thing. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1346.96 1347.58 Okay. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1348.68 1348.86 Hmm. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1362.13 1365.51 Did you present e everything you wanted to? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1365.93 1367.06 Yep. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1368.96 1370.04 I can quickly make a conclusion 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1367.06 1368.96 So I can uh qui oh. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1366.56 1366.89 Okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1368.62 1370.02 Uh what the 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1371.65 1373.24 of what we have decided so far. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1374.5 1378.95 Uh we still need to decide on a couple of things you you needed to know. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1377.42 1377.66 Ah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1383.74 1384.06 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1394.12 1397.29 The chip is advanced because we have the advanced features. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1397.29 1400.34 The case, it will be the material will be rubber, suppose. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1402.65 1404.41 Uh user interface, type. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1400.34 1402.65 Wouldn't the b the design we talked about. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1388.81 1394.12 Uh energy, we choose regular regular batteries. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1387.2 1388.81 Okay, anyway. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1392.19 1392.56 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1426.78 1427.4 So 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1417.53 1426.78 Anyway, um apparently you guys, you should work together on the final design, both on internal and external design. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1416.1 1417.53 I'm not sure what they mean by that. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1412.96 1416.1 Um let's see um supplements. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1407.48 1412.96 Well I think we took all the components separately what we want. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1449.71 1450.65 So 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1442.23 1449.71 So Wanna spend some more um I think we're in a pretty much in agreement actually, which is good. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1432.58 1436.71 how uh what's gonna happen with the final design as we have it now. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1429.33 1432.58 Yeah, you should you should probably find out how the product will fall into the market 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1436.71 1442.23 So Yeah, of course you've got your specific instruction as usual. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1433.17 1433.45 Yeah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1437.52 1438.28 Yeah 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1442.37 1442.55 Hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1448.45 1448.61 Hmm. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1449.93 1457.21 Are we all in agreement about the, well, the primary structure of the of my design? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1458.64 1459.8 Like the keys there. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1457.21 1458.64 Except for the edges. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1458.44 1458.67 Here. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1456.7 1458.44 Lef let's see, where the pen go? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1459.79 1460.96 Yeah uh open your thing again. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1460.96 1463.92 Let's see what if you can come up with anything new. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1463.92 1465.76 Um I'll just do a next one. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1467.78 1472.84 So what would give us your ne your design would be the lights would be on top, right? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1472.84 1474.25 Uh one on each one on each side. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1473.11 1473.27 Yeah. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1475.32 1477.45 To create a kind of disco effect when you 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1478.77 1479.95 That was basically what w 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1479.69 1484.77 Is it is it the lights for for finding the finding remote or lights that it that 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1484.15 1486.02 Light for the finding of the remote. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1486.02 1488.52 We can also use one light for 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1489.65 1491.29 showing that the signal is being sent. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1491.29 1491.62 But 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1503.08 1503.68 But 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1491.31 1493.92 Yeah, I think that should just be a simple LED or something. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1493.92 1496.2 Like that that's not that important of course. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1500.83 1503.08 So I don't think that's super important. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1496.2 1500.83 It just like a matter of a a beep if you pre that you just know that that there's context. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1505.23 1506.23 Hmm. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1508.7 1511.56 So we have the teletext we have here, we have the mute. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1512.57 1514.08 Uh sh Oh. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1513.81 1515.7 This is the on off button. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1512.85 1513.81 L. C. D. screen. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1517.06 1518.64 And speech w recognition. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1518.64 1519.24 Are we 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1518.75 1522.4 Speech recognition, I where did I imagine. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1522.4 1526.35 I did that pretty much over here, so that you could use it like this 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1520.22 1520.68 We 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1523.39 1525.36 Little uh voice uh 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1526.4 1528.02 Record and a uh no. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1529.17 1537.86 Then you have the uh extra keys for teletext, mute, two buttons which can be pretty much anything or nothing. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1537.86 1539.84 We can also just not use them. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1527.78 1529.17 and speak to it. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1540.33 1541.55 Let's see, I'll just make 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1540.92 1542.7 Main controls and a key-pad. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1543.37 1543.6 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1544.5 1545.37 One light here. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1549.5 1549.79 So 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1547.25 1548.38 And just make it red now. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1548.38 1549.5 But it could be any colour. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1549.85 1550.46 Will be fine. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1550.96 1553.37 Okay, whatever. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1555.48 1560.86 M I'll make it um are we gonna use square buttons or round ones actually? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1554.25 1555.48 What do we have here? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1553.37 1554.25 Fine, anyway. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1562.62 1564.16 Personally I would prefer round ones. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1564.66 1565.05 Me too. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1571.01 1573.9 But in that case the round buttons would be more appropriate. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1567.36 1569.2 Because if you I had a square design. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1565.1 1567.36 Yeah, but that would this was just in the design. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1569.2 1571.01 So I had square buttons. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1566.68 1567.36 It's better. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1565.57 1566.68 Form of fruit. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1567.85 1568 Hmm. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1567.98 1568.48 Yeah, for 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1570.19 1570.69 Okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1573.12 1576.81 Okay, I assume it for so we take a r take a round power button right here. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1581.5 1582.63 Uh back to black. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1579.64 1581.5 Whatever. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1585.38 1586.52 Uh not too big though. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1589.39 1590.08 See this would be good. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1595.93 1597.23 Um let's see. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1599.33 1600.81 Are these for any extra controls? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1601.11 1601.86 Yeah. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1606.9 1610.73 And these two buttons are or not necessary or 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1601.86 1606.9 The left one is teletext and the right one is mute. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1602.21 1602.69 Okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1616.4 1619.73 For example, if you let's see, put it this here. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1610.8 1616.4 If we go for for round buttons in general, do we want to the menu key in the middle to be round? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1619.73 1622.11 I think we'll go with the triangles that Come on. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1608.94 1610.8 Okay. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1624.61 1626.53 Yeah, the triangles would be best indeed. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1626.56 1627.28 Triangles are good. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1631.06 1631.68 But 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1629.95 1631.06 Yeah, they're a little too big now. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1637.58 1639.48 So do you want for example a 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1636.16 1637.58 Anyway, okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1641.05 1643.7 round button in the middle or square one? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1645.97 1650.46 I personally think that a round b button looks bit silly, but 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1648.09 1648.37 Hmm. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1650.75 1652.75 I'm not sure uh, I just just came up with it. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1650.81 1651.17 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1653.8 1654.86 This aligns nicely. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1654.86 1655.18 So 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1658.48 1662.55 We'll just take the take the round button, suppose. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1662.55 1664.4 Uh oh the square button, sorry. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1657.73 1658.48 Okay. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1665.63 1666.77 Does everybody agree on that? 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1667.04 1667.28 Yep. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1667.41 1668.25 I suppose so. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1667.67 1668.51 I would prefer round. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1668.51 1670.19 But doesn't matter, doesn't matter. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1670.28 1670.54 Okay. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1668.98 1670.28 You prefer a round? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1672.61 1673.27 Okay. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1672.88 1674.23 That's not a big deal, think. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1683.46 1685.65 So there's our numbers. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1685.65 1688.86 Think we need an extra button here of course for yeah, like you had for the 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1690.63 1691.25 higher numbers. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1694.85 1697.66 And you could include a button here for the mute, I suppose. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1698.92 1700.65 For something else, just to 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1703.72 1705.64 But it but it's not necessary, becau 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1703.05 1703.72 Yeah, you can. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1705.32 1711.8 That's not necessary because it you can take this away, but there it looks like there's a hole there, just to mirror the effect. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1711.8 1713.11 Okay, so we have a few 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1703.1 1705.32 mirror mirror the effect with this. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1712.32 1713.96 We could put our logo there. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1714.8 1718.52 Nah, I think it it would be nice to put the logo here, for example, if you have some buttons here. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1725.78 1728.06 If you're watching it, the L. C. D. screen, blah blah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1721.74 1725.78 We could put a logo here because it's very always in your field of vision. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1724.39 1726.35 And what about Oh. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1728.84 1731.56 What about a button for your uh favourite channel? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1732.52 1733.72 Oh that could be that b 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1732.69 1734.8 Well we could we could include either here 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1734.18 1734.89 Uh yeah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1734.89 1736.54 With the extra controls. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1736.54 1736.8 Uh 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1738.35 1739.25 But you think here or here? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1736.17 1738.35 or here, for example. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1738.68 1741.04 Well now it's getting a little bit too crowded up there. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1741.04 1742.72 So Is your 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1738.69 1739.95 Uh one one set 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1740.58 1741 I know. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1741.76 1743.44 Yeah, you have to put it up uh 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1744.44 1748.34 So it can basically be the button down below or one of the four buttons up there. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1748.34 1748.79 Because 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1747.71 1749.75 No, we could put this one as favourite channel for exam 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1748.95 1749.56 One of the four. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1749.56 1751.38 Uh, it's better than, I think. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1751.67 1752.4 What are these for? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1752.4 1752.78 Okay. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1751.81 1754.96 One of the four is better, I suppose. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1753.67 1754.75 It's a favourite channel. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1755.96 1756.1 What? 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1756.63 1757.13 What? 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1757.13 1758.97 Nee, uh one of the four uh 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1759.64 1766.98 Because it's a little bit confusing to have twelve buttons down there, because you're only accustomed to eleven, I'd say. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1759.94 1760.42 It's better th 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1768.74 1769.49 You're accustomed to eleven? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1785.25 1787.73 Let's say I mean could be anything. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1770.83 1772.13 My uh okay, have it your way. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1772.13 1776.72 I mean, think this looks rather like like there's something missing for example. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1787.73 1788.11 But th 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1783.34 1785.25 So why not give it a function. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1776.72 1783.34 I mean why wouldn't you include a 'cause there is a um a piece of electronics under there anyway. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1774.53 1776.16 Oh, we still need an okay button. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1784.87 1785.15 Hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1783.63 1784.87 Hmm. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1787.48 1790.32 Well, you could also shift the two buttons to be nicely aligned. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1790.59 1792.48 No, I don't think because this is a zero. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1796.15 1800.55 Anyway, so this is the basic design, we wanna have um on and off what are we missing? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1792.48 1796.15 But you want zero to be mis-aligned with the rest. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1793.2 1793.56 Yeah. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1807.67 1808.01 So 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1802.84 1807.67 Oh, we're pretty much missing an okay button, but we have a button up there which is still free. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1802.91 1804.64 If it looks um 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1806.41 1812.03 Okay, so we want the remote to be the s the side view actually, what I'm gonna draw. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1812.03 1812.6 So 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1815.25 1816.09 Um 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1818.31 1821.78 probably think you want the curve to be here. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1824.18 1824.57 Okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1821.78 1824.18 So have your finger under here like this, I suppose? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1823.44 1824.1 Yeah, pretty much. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1826.79 1827.58 Just gonna be sh 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1829.34 1829.51 Hmm. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1832.37 1832.97 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1834.73 1835.62 Let's keep it at this. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1832.97 1834.73 Want this straight or what? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1837.6 1838.65 So it would be like this. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1840.68 1844.11 Do we want something interesting with it or see. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1848.39 1849.82 You want it curved or what? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1847.84 1848.39 Maybe it's boring. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1849.82 1850.56 Maybe you want 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1845.16 1847.84 Would give us a light here. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1852.97 1854.6 But that's probably uh 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1851.19 1852.97 Well, I think it looks better curved. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1851.47 1852.13 Should like this? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1855.03 1859.64 Will give us design problem because we have 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1855.37 1855.76 Mm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1855.61 1855.75 Huh. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1858.34 1859.1 It can be curved. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1858.71 1859.09 Why? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1859.77 1864.62 It can be curved, because that yeah, it's a little bit more trendy to be curved. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1860.64 1860.93 Yes. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1864.09 1864.61 Okay? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1865.59 1866.24 That's why I asked you. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1863.2 1864.09 It can be curved. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1864.61 1865.59 I think so. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1869.19 1869.59 Okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1869.59 1870.23 So 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1871.6 1873.04 I would curve the whole actually. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1874.57 1874.84 Hmm? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1875.8 1879.4 Like um like it hangs over your hand a little bit. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1875.14 1875.8 I would curve the whole. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1879.6 1880.33 Oh crap. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1881.24 1881.55 Yeah. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1883.7 1885.74 Then it will bounce and you don't drop it so easily. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1885.7 1886.33 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1886.33 1886.46 Oh. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1890.4 1894.84 Anyway, so you want to a little more like this? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1895.42 1896.49 Yeah, something like that, yes. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1896.05 1896.31 Uh-huh. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1896.4 1897.75 And just s s 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1900.4 1901.03 Yes, exactly. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1901.32 1903.69 Stop the curve here or continue it 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1903.45 1905.54 I think continue like that. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1906.88 1907.07 Yep. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1907.45 1909.39 Then there's also enough room for the electronics. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1909.34 1909.94 Let's see. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1907.72 1909.34 So we have our L. C. D. screen. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1913 1915.08 Uh 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1911.03 1913 But it pretty much looks like a banana already. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1911.04 1911.55 In 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1912.97 1913.53 Yeah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1913.5 1913.89 Yeah. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1915.06 1915.91 Let's make it yellow then. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1915.91 1916.29 Uh 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1915.3 1916.49 Perfect. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1915.45 1916.89 Bana it's banana vision. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1916.61 1917.9 It's fruit. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1917.9 1918.02 Yeah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1917.81 1918.97 Yeah, it's perfect. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1920 1923.64 So you have your L. C. D. screen right here, suppose. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1929.37 1932.2 Um that would make 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1934.57 1934.81 But 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1933.62 1934.57 We use the colours now. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1936.42 1937.07 Um 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1939.16 1942.43 Maybe once we can make a special edition in according with Chiquita. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1943.53 1944.41 Have ourselves sponsored. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1944.66 1947.27 You got sponsor, now you get a free one with every pack of Chiquita. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1947.36 1950.38 Uh but it's a good trade-off for them if they can have their logo on it. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1952.26 1953.67 So it would give the buttons here. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1953.24 1954.68 Or they can design their own cover. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1955.08 1955.43 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1955.43 1957.48 They might wanna be the first ones to uh 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1955.66 1959.25 We could set up a a marketing uh agreement. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1955.84 1960.73 I suppose I suppose we can put um let's see. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1957.94 1958.41 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1962.1 1962.97 Um 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1962.38 1963.55 Oh, perhaps they can use it. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1964.84 1967.62 Or give a special edition uh with with 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1966.62 1971.15 Uh I suppose we can put the batteries in here because it has the most space, for example. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1972.61 1974.76 Won't that be a problem with the L. C. D. screen? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1975.04 1978.31 I don't think so because it's the biggest part of the uh of the uh 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1976.98 1977.26 Mm. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1978.29 1981.31 Yeah, but the L. C. D. screen probably needs quite the chip. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1980.69 1981.07 Let's 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1982.73 1983.56 I think this is possible. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1984.58 1986.47 I think it's the best place yeah, you could also put 'em here. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1983.81 1984.58 I think it's possible. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1986.47 1987.33 But 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1984.39 1984.96 Okay. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1985.96 1986.12 Huh. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1987.69 1988.16 It doesn't matter. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1988.16 1992.26 You can actually uh place a chip for the L. C. D. screen and at the bottom, and and wire it. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 1992.26 1992.74 Doesn't matter. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 1992.44 1995.84 Okay, so we put the batteries here. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1992.53 1993.69 Okay, that's not a problem. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 1993.69 1994.14 Okay. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 1993.34 1993.73 Okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2001.4 2001.95 That's fine. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2004.33 2004.67 Blah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2003.18 2004.33 Yep. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2005.8 2006.73 I think we get the idea. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2008.17 2011.47 Um, any other com what what are we missing here? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2014.07 2014.94 Um 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2011.47 2014.07 Something a speech recognition. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2016.54 2018.27 where do we want the microphone, for example, to be? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2018.27 2020.76 On the side or on the or, for example, on top? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2020.76 2021.22 Like here. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2018.76 2019.04 Top? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2026.61 2028.69 'Cause you can talk to it like this. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2019.8 2026.61 Oh, basically the idea that I had was it to be pretty much in combination with the transmitter. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2019.88 2019.94 W 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2020.38 2020.85 On there. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2023.06 2023.87 I think on top. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2024.87 2025.37 To be 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2030.18 2035.95 Okay, I w thought maybe it's either be here or because it's mi it might interfere with the transmitter, I'm not sure. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2035.95 2036.46 But 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2030.74 2031 No. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2038.05 2039.72 'Cause transmitter would be here. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2039.3 2042.82 Well, the email said it was a quite a small component. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2042.82 2044.41 So I don't see that. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2049.23 2050.46 Anyway. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2043.19 2049.23 Why uh once again, like you said, the component can be somewhere at the bottom while we wire the microphone up there. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2052.78 2056.35 Um yeah, it could be either be here or make a double microphone. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2057.46 2057.69 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2058.34 2058.92 I wouldn't mind. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2059.59 2061.83 It is, I believe, also able to talk. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2062.21 2063.56 It's able to talk to you. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2063.67 2064.44 It's a 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2063.71 2067.21 I have a sample uh sample sensor and the speaker sensor. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2068.63 2069.51 A speaker sensor. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2074.21 2075.94 Could it talk back? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2075.94 2077.66 Like uh g uh give confirmation or something. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2069.61 2074.21 Uh the speaker sensor we already have, but s I don't know what they exactly mean by a sample sensor. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2079.92 2086.21 I think if you have a a speech recognition component, then a s speaking component is not that hard to to put in either. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2079.06 2079.92 I think it can. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2081.4 2082.11 Well, the 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2082.96 2084.3 I think so, it I think it could. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2087.32 2092.51 I mean it could be a all this stuff could be integrated into the L. C. D. screen, which you could navigate with this, I suppose. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2110.17 2112.69 So that's w m would be making use of the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2108.53 2110.17 Think that would be fine. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2092.51 2094.56 Navigate through everything. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2103.51 2108.53 You can just navigate through th m your menu that you have here for advanced options with this. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2100.76 2103.51 of course, because you don't have to have a button for everything. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2086.46 2087.32 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2094.56 2100.76 If you have I think you sh I think the advanced options should be I think it sh the advanced option could also be integrated in the L. C. D. screen,
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2086.71 2086.94 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2090.28 2090.46 Hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2092.61 2092.9 Hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2095.15 2095.43 But 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2093.96 2095.15 Hmm. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2094.63 2097.46 Yeah, but do you actually need the remote talking back? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2098.32 2098.51 Yeah. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2097.44 2098.32 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2104.29 2104.46 Hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2107.07 2107.34 Hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2109.03 2109.23 Mm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2113.08 2113.25 Hmm. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2114.48 2115.33 Mm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2116 2118.31 We already have a sound component, by the way, for the beep. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2119.65 2121.04 So beep. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2120.04 2120.32 Beep. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2121.23 2121.55 Beep. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2121.34 2121.65 Beep. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2126.13 2132.6 We could Yeah, but you could put a speaker or something on on the side for example. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2122.77 2126.13 Um, so the flashing of the beep, we have well anything. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2132.71 2133.66 Or at the side. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2131.11 2132.29 At the back, yeah. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2132.29 2132.71 Like that. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2132.27 2132.62 Hmm. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2135.1 2137.03 For how do you draw that again? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2135.21 2135.89 Which is. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2140.12 2141.57 Uh whatever, looks stupid. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2144.19 2148.39 So what's basically edi the editi idea, sorry, now? 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2148.39 2150.94 We need to stay here and work out that. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2148.38 2149.75 I think this is pretty 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2152.42 2154.31 I should be getting new information, I guess. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2151.02 2152.42 I'm not sure. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2157.73 2170.76 like my the info that I got was that you're uh we're gonna work on our own because you're gonna do the market market uh analysing I'm supposed to do the little work on the year-end report. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2152.02 2157.52 I think you have to stay here because we are supposed to five minutes to finish the meeting. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2170.76 2172.34 So the project report. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2157.52 2157.73 Oh 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2152.04 2152.46 Oh. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2164.96 2165.34 Yep. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2174.54 2174.91 Okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2175.9 2179.98 Okay, I think we're everybody satisfied with the with the current design we have? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2181.92 2190.39 I think well, I think the the remote control is gonna be black because we we forgot to talk about I mean the the company colours are important apparently. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2174.8 2175.9 Hmm. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2190.39 2192.26 So we have the logo up there. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2192.26 2193.94 So are we gonna base colour is black? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2179.98 2181.92 So we're s supposed to be rubber. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2176.26 2177.44 Well, I suppose we'll 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2179.48 2179.89 Yes. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2180.65 2181.3 Ah, that's fine. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2181.66 2182.31 Pretty much. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2183.19 2183.58 Round. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2186.59 2186.71 Wh 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2187.12 2187.54 Why? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2190.61 2191.13 But we have 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2192.12 2193.08 any company logo. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2193.08 2195.42 We have yes, but and yellow. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2196.13 2199.26 And yeah, of course we could use yellow buttons or yellow navigation or whatever. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2200.02 2202.19 I would take a yellow remote control. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2199.17 2200.02 I would change. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2202.19 2204.25 To have it flashy, to have it it's for young people. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2200.92 2202.12 Yellow but yellow control. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2202.12 2202.49 It's 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2204.04 2210.94 Yeah, but when you use covers, it basically easier to have a n have a neutral colour on the base. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2204.53 2204.83 Okay. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2205.64 2206.27 Need do be different. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2206.51 2207.38 It's the colour of a 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2207.07 2209.1 Well, don't don't stick yourself on the covers right now. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2211.76 2213.84 But don't stick yourself on the cover because 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2213.92 2214.1 Hmm. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2214.44 2223.44 No, we're designing the remote control now, but taking that into consideration, it's better to have a neutral base colour than to have a flashy 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2216.62 2217.75 But we need to be different. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2219.19 2219.42 Nah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2229.21 2231 So I think we should go with that. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2223.54 2224.46 Yeah, but the info. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2224.46 2229.21 I think we should go with uh with the company colour because what specific info that I got from the project board. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2224.64 2225.41 But, the you 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2227.96 2228.21 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2233.19 2235.4 So colourful uh is 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2229.96 2233.19 The young people want uh a trendy uh remote control. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2232.33 2233.29 They want something trendy. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2233.27 2233.48 Huh. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2234.12 2237.86 It's either black cover with yellow buttons or vice versa. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2237.86 2239.84 And I would say take a yellow cover and black buttons. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2239.86 2240.94 It is more trendy. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2240.94 2242.19 That's definitely true. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2243.03 2245.17 Take what you c yellow remote control. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2245.17 2247.63 So let's see if if we can do the LED onto it. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2240.96 2243.03 I think we should th then take it take yellow. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2241.11 2241.71 To be different. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2241.86 2242.08 Yeah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2251.94 2254.69 You have the basic colours, blue, green, red. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2253.29 2254.17 Uh oh. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2255 2256.51 Yeah, we have so many colours already. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2256.82 2257.06 So 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2256.92 2257.5 You know what? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2258.77 2259.52 That's up to you guys. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2257.5 2258.77 I'm not gonna do this. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2257.19 2257.91 Oh, it's okay. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2258.35 2261.06 Oh no, that I think it's good thing to be different than 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2261.78 2262.94 Colourful, you you 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2260.82 2261.78 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2261.69 2266.38 You doodle a doodle us a nice nice design for for the next meeting, we'll be done. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2266.38 2267.92 I think we're all happy now. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2263 2263.23 Well 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2264.69 2264.9 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2266.57 2266.9 Yep. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2272.57 2275.59 Uh that's Nah, that's true. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2269.88 2272.57 I still don't have my scroll-wheel though. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2270.12 2270.28 Yeah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2270.48 2270.73 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2272.4 2273.54 Stupid scroll-wheel. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2272.67 2274.23 Oh, where would you like to put it? 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2273.23 2274.42 Yeah. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2276.84 2277 'Kay 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2277.96 2281.86 I'm not sure uh I really, I'm no I have no clue what we could use the scroll-wheel for. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2284.42 2287.8 But it's has no real added value. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2282.03 2284.42 Uh you could use it for the channels and for the volume. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2282.66 2283.42 No, forget it. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2283.4 2283.78 Oh yeah. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2284.6 2285.51 No look, it 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2285.04 2285.55 You can 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2285.57 2287.92 It takes space, a lot of space. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2287.92 2288.64 And it could 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2293.6 2295.64 It it has no function, I agree. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2287.86 2288.75 No, that's not my point. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2295.64 2296.05 I agree. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2288.75 2293.6 It's not because it's functional, but it's just to add to the design, to have it flashy. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2293.53 2293.86 Ah may 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2293.83 2296.33 Yeah, but if it has no function, then 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2295.44 2298.8 I'm not sure if it if it has no function, why even put it there? 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2298.8 2301.33 And th that's just so much things that make it look flash 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2298.61 2300.87 Oh, so many things have no function, just design. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2299.23 2303.2 But uh uh scroll for a channel s selection or volume 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2303.53 2303.78 Hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2302.69 2303.53 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2303.66 2307.51 I think channel selection would be annoying because it just c you could scroll past the channel or 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2304.98 2305.11 Ma 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2306.92 2307.17 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2308.38 2310.13 Then we don't have to talk about it any longer. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2307.86 2308.38 Let's vote on it. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2311.46 2311.92 In or out? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2310.13 2311.46 What do you want? 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2308.01 2308.48 Oh okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2308.51 2308.59 Hmm. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2309.71 2310.17 Oh okay. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2313.94 2314.7 I don't see the 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2312.19 2313.94 Basically out. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2316.01 2317.98 You are okay, clear. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2314.71 2316.01 You are out of course. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2313.98 2314.71 Okay. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2316.01 2316.35 Out. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2317.94 2319.14 No r no scroll-wheel. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2326.32 2326.84 We could've 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2319.14 2320.85 Okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2324.87 2326.32 Yeah, we should too bad we don't have the finance. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2320.85 2324.87 Um I don't see anything missing really. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2328.17 2328.55 Okay. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2324.89 2328.17 Do you have all your answers? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2327.17 2328.28 I have all my answers, yes. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2328.55 2335.48 it's I'm not sure if we're if we're gonna get finance anyway because I thought we cou I thought it was gonna be an issue at the first time we started. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2335.48 2341.26 I thought it was gonna be a cost issue which material we were gonna take relative to the advanced chips or anything. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2328.38 2328.55 Yeah 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2341.26 2344.46 So you just do whatever you like and uh doesn't care what it costs. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2333.23 2334.78 I have to call this in a form. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2334.54 2334.77 Hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2335.82 2335.96 Hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2337.67 2339.19 Hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2339.19 2340.42 There is I have one question. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2342.12 2342.23 Hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2342.78 2342.96 Hmm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2343.33 2346.77 I only have one question with the material, but I don't have information that. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2346.77 2347.71 We've chosen rubber. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2348.9 2349.41 Definitely. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2346.82 2348.9 I think we're rubber is not expensive. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2348.79 2350.48 No, but can we make yellow rubber? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2350.48 2350.94 I think so 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2353.81 2357.56 So I mean you can't make yellow titanium, but you can make yellow rubber. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2351.1 2353.08 You can make rubber in any colour. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2353.08 2353.81 In any colour. 
TS3012c H01 MTD047UID 2351.52 2354.08 Yes, you can colour rubber, yeah. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2351.82 2352.27 Ah. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2353.13 2353.33 Okay. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2356.37 2362.3 But we ha w we don't uh use our reco uh we uh removable cover? 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2362.3 2362.69 No, huh? 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2356.98 2357.05 Mm. 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2357.87 2358.25 Okay. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2372.86 2372.94 So. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2362.06 2372.86 Uh yeah we can make uh for example it's just something you can click on it like uh that's but it's not som not apparently that's not something we're working with in the basic design. 
TS3012c H03 MTD048ME 2372.08 2374.78 Maybe maybe later, maybe we can uh 
TS3012c H02 MTD046ID 2373.85 2374.15 Hmm. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2374.12 2375.39 Yeah, it could be. 
TS3012c H00 MTD045PM 2375.39 2376.42 It can be done, for e 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 12.46 13.15 Can I close this? 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 12.5 14.9 Uh we don't have any changes, do we? 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 14.9 15.36 So no. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 15.07 15.92 Oh, okay. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 26.31 27.38 There we go. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 30.38 32.26 Okay, here we are again. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 32.26 34.4 Detailed design oh, come on. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 45.04 45.46 Uh 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 37.64 45.04 Well Ah s Forgot to insert the minutes, but it's about the same thing we discussed before. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 46.96 48.9 Could open that anyway, think. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 88.33 91.84 So then we ca yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 97.54 99.3 'Cause some changes in the finances have 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 83.53 88.33 Yellow in the back because it's m trendy, more trendy than black anyway. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 68.72 72.65 Took the advanced chip to t uh implement the advanced features. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 72.65 79.28 Well, we discussed the design, no sharp corners, we rounded it off, like you see on the other screen, which is fine. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 91.84 97.54 We agreed that we would implement both the L. C. D. and speech recognition, but I'll get to that in a moment. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 66.7 68.72 We also that you're just busy with it. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 60.06 66.7 Other design anyway, we took as we took w we took rubber as as the material last time. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 79.28 83.53 Um we agreed that the colour should be b uh yellow and black. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 101.7 106.53 So so, like I said, we had no insight in finances, no prices, but we have 'em now, 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 100.4 101.7 left us implications anyway. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 103.44 103.58 Hmm. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 110.86 111.38 Anyway. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 107.88 110.86 and it's bad. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 112.63 113.1 We are 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 119.12 123.94 So you could could present that. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 123.94 126.67 But um let's see what be handy to do. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 114.69 115.73 Oh. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 115.73 119.12 Prototype presentation, well first you guys built the prototype. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 128.5 131.97 Nee no, you just go ahead and present the w we'll scrap it later because 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 133.22 134.94 I think it's more or less the same as we had. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 134.8 135.02 What? 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 135.05 138.66 It's basically what we agreed upon, but just a little bit more specified. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 135.38 135.54 Hmm? 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 136.54 137.43 Oh that's 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 137.57 138.08 No much s 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 141.69 143.41 You just coloured it. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 138.25 140.19 hasn't changed that much, huh? 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 140.19 141.69 I didn't expect anyway. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 139.4 140.41 No no no, not at all. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 144.16 144.93 Uh s 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 147.24 148.22 Final design. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 167.77 171.71 We chose a different type of colour for the menu. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 158.36 167.77 Basically in what we discussed, cover and buttons will be made of rubber, yellow colour, black components, as you can see right over here. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 183.7 184.21 So 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 171.71 179.2 A bit darker yellow so that it com really shows in this keypad. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 179.2 183.7 If you put them all black, it's not really that good a contrast. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 167.79 168.5 I like the menu. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 166.67 167.79 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 178.57 178.84 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 184.08 187.59 And I suppose the the the yellow is not printed on the on the rubber. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 190.78 194.28 I think that's more I think that's more durable anyway than printed on to 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 187.59 190.78 It's it's part of the rubber, I suppose. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 189.94 191.36 Probab Yeah. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 191.36 192.18 That's the be 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 193.34 193.69 Hmm. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 194.3 199.32 And it I guess it's more easier to just paint it on the rubber than to uh 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 197.16 197.65 Yeah, of course. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 199.58 199.97 Mm yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 199.66 201.55 That's uh the integration story again. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 202.68 203.07 Okay. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 203.64 209.8 So we have it's a bit round shaped, that's what we had uh 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 204.2 204.91 Oh yeah. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 223.51 225.3 If you have anything to add, please interrupt me. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 220.52 223.51 So that's basically what we chose there. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 211.79 220.52 We chose the buttons to be uh teletext, okay button, favourite channel and the mute. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 219.85 220.16 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 222.91 223.45 Okay. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 225.03 227.59 No, uh this is just a description of what we see there. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 227.59 227.91 So 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 227.85 228.14 Yeah. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 228.56 229.66 Oh. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 228.58 228.81 Yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 229.05 229.82 Speaks for itself. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 232.79 233.58 That's pretty much it. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 270.31 272.98 Suppose yellow is a special colour. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 268.92 270.31 And we had a special colour. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 289.89 294.26 Well think I had the best solution that I came up with is just to s take out the speech recognition. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 286.68 287.83 So, easy. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 287.83 289.89 What do we scrap. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 279.29 286.68 You have the total of seventeen Euros in production cost, which is higher than the twelve and a half that we are permitted to use. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 257.81 262.08 So which you see the which is de o one of the most expensive parts. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 237.47 240.18 Now it's my time to ruin everything. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 244.6 248.92 Finances, that's what we have here, what you drew. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 272.98 279.29 So just half a Euro for You have pushbuttons and an L. C. D. display. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 253.99 257.81 The sample sensor and uh for speak recognition anyway. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 267.69 268.92 Rubber design. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 248.92 253.99 We have battery power, we have advanced chips and the sam the sensor. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 262.08 267.69 So well, we have sin one curve, a design. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 235.29 237.47 Okay. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 240.18 244.6 Well, not ruin everything, but no, nah. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 241.72 243.65 Oh sorry. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 281.19 281.35 Hmm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 286.7 287.02 Hmm. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 289.99 290.13 I d 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 294.57 294.94 Yeah. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 294.68 295.99 I'd say that too. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 298.94 301.52 There are ninety one percent of uh the people, or something like that. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 301.52 306.61 But ninety percent who favour an L. C. D. display, and only sixty percent that favour speech recognition. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 295.45 298.94 Because the L. C. D. has more support on customer side. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 306.61 309.07 I think it's also harder to 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 298 298.19 Hmm. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 307.33 314.87 Uh we don't really have a extra function with the speech sample, which you can't do with a normal remote control, which people already do. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 314.87 315.31 So 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 308.27 308.62 Yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 312.82 313.2 Hmm. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 314.95 317.77 So I ju I took that out. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 322.94 325.92 And, yeah, I didn't see anything else I could take out. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 317.77 322.94 So and so it's still stuck with thirteen, so I had to take out the special colour I suppose. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 327.38 330.18 Yeah, I could take out the push-buttons, but we need those. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 350.85 354.65 and if you want it if you want the custom design, then you can buy the separate covers. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 338.99 347.3 spe scrap speech recognition and the separate covers can account for the if people want it, we'll just then we'll do it in black. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 347.3 350.85 We'll just deliver it in black, have the it has all the function that it's supposed to have,
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 330.18 338.99 So, generally what I came up with, in order to be cou to to have production cost of twelve and a half Euros,
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 354.65 356.27 You make it d orange or whatever you want. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 327.47 327.96 Pushbut 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 329.78 330.71 Huh. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 331.22 332.08 Special colour, yeah. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 354.65 361.69 Well, I'd I tend to disagree with you on that, because the trend issue was a big issue when we started designing this. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 361.69 366.59 So can't we just basically extend it to thirteen? 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 360.29 361.61 It was a big issue, but 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 363.96 364.71 I'll just go back. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 364.71 369.95 Uh let's just let's see what okay, let's just see what we no, we we have to be under twelve and a half. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 369.95 373.54 It it's not uh the project is a no-go if we go over twelve and a half, so. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 369.07 369.54 Yeah, it 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 370.06 370.48 The p 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 371 372.09 Okay, but there's another problem. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 371.66 372 And the p 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 372.87 373.44 Okay. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 374.87 381 If we take another cover, for instance black, then we also need another button frame, 'cause black and black doesn't work obviously. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 373.78 374.87 But there's another problem. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 374.24 374.61 What 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 380.86 387.14 I think you that's what you were ass assigned to do really, to to see how b th both those work together. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 387.14 391.79 So I think yeah, it's I think it's y one of the it's a good way to um 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 383.99 384.16 Huh. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 385.95 386.52 Huh. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 386.52 386.73 Yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 393.01 396.72 to help people uh to make to keep the product trendy too. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 416.22 417.95 B yeah, but those go together. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 411.03 413.57 But we need that for the L. C. D. display. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 396.72 401.15 Just keep you just make new covers for the for it, like we agreed before. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 401.15 406.98 And everything that's left is is the basic function that uh that we want our product to have. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 417.95 419.8 And yeah, we could take out the curve. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 413.57 416.22 Then again, we have the L. C. D. display, which is also expensive. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 406.98 411.03 Because the expensive parts are in either the advanced chip. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 394.03 394.2 Hmm. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 396.43 396.68 Hmm. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 398.8 398.93 Right. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 399.89 400.23 I agree. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 412.25 412.73 Yeah. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 412.73 413.09 We do. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 412.67 413.12 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 420.34 422.6 Or say let's lose rubber, take plastic. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 420.94 423 We could take out a curve indeed. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 424.4 425.06 Is that an option? 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 423.48 424.4 Could we could take out the curve. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 425.74 426.09 Yes. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 426.24 426.57 For you? 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 428.03 430.57 Although we are demolishing a little bit the style. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 430.57 430.78 But 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 428.18 431.11 But uh the and 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 428.76 437.15 I think the colour is more important than the really the curve, because if you just end up with an entirely black remote control 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 430.82 430.93 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 437.16 437.92 The people 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 436.21 437.16 Yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 436.22 441.72 I think it's it it does ruin it, but the fact that I t took that decision or t 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 438.45 438.75 Yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 456.66 462.11 So it's just you deliver a basic remote control with a possibility to change you into whatever you want. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 454.63 456.66 So you can change any colour you want. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 443.95 454.63 Took this example actually, not really decision, but the example is because we do offer the um the possibility of adding your own custom covers. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 462.51 465.69 Can we then not also uh change the material? 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 465.69 468.09 We take plastic for the basic cover and 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 482.98 484.61 because they're all plastic. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 467.45 468.31 You can take plastic 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 468.31 482.98 but I d it's something that's stuck into my mind is that something that really came forward from the marketing research is that people like the the the the squishy feeling of the spongy feeling of the and it really makes it also makes it different from the existing remote controls 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 484.61 489.72 So which in in turn Rubber would increase durability because it doesn't break. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 476.11 477.28 Spongy, yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 478.74 481.14 We can put those to the to the other covers. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 479.38 479.6 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 482.91 483.28 And 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 484.52 484.92 That's true. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 487.82 489 But okay. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 490.81 492.92 But what do you then suggest we'd lose? 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 492.92 495.12 Because we have to lose two things and I guess. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 501.53 503.49 Yeah, that's that that that's enough, because 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 494.89 501.53 I al like I said, I lost the speech recognition and I lost the special colour, which would make this black a black and grey. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 495.82 496.62 But 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 497.58 497.83 Yes. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 500.16 500.93 Okay, and that's enough? 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 503.1 504.98 So black and grey is okay. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 505.17 506.79 I guess those are the basic colours. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 506.79 508.34 So Oh. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 505.96 506.33 But 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 506.81 507.11 Hmm. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 507.27 509.34 Which we can fabricate, okay. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 509.39 518.9 The people want to pay for for it, so why why uh do we have to keep us uh uh um on the twelve and a half? 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 509.42 510.5 I think those are basic col 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 512.77 513.42 They want to 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 520.03 529.11 We're just uh we're the project team and we got our our orders from the pro from the boss of our company which say we don't wanna spend more than twelve fifty for this. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 534.62 535.01 So 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 517.78 518.66 To ensure the profit. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 529.11 532.32 But that's not for our that's not our decision to take. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 532.32 534.62 We have a budget of twelve fifty per product. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 518.66 520.03 That that's th that's the order. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 525.55 525.84 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 527.16 528.49 But we can take a risk. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 532.04 533.32 No, we basically 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 532.45 533.11 Okay, yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 533.52 533.77 Hmm. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 534.59 536.02 We need to stick to that. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 536.24 537.62 I don't think it's really bad either. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 535.91 536.24 Stick that. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 537.62 541.62 I mean if we we have the the backup of or the backup design thing 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 541.72 543.34 I hope the people will like it, but 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 558.52 561.48 one basic product which you could turn into any any taste you want. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 575.84 576.36 So 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 552.23 558.52 because p you could have all sort of designs while at the same time just manufacturing one product 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 561.48 575.84 So I think it's the best solution to make those cu custom covers for the design aspect and keep the functionality between of within the th the boundaries of the your f uh your budget. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 543.02 545.14 to have I think they would do. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 545.14 552.23 Th I think they do like because yo we you we agree upon that the that the the the cover thing was a nice idea 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 558.11 558.41 Yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 566.29 567.67 Perhaps we should make m 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 566.85 567.28 Yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 569.73 569.95 Huh. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 574.99 575.67 The first sheet. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 575.94 579.35 Perhaps we should make clear to our customer that we had to do this to stay under the cost. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 579.35 587.11 And that's uh they know that this is an option and that we had to drop the option to stay under the cost, that they know that. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 587.79 589.09 Well I don't think Yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 591.79 594.42 Like, it like, we don't care we don't care that you had to 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 589.09 591.79 Is it worth is it is it does it mean anything to the customer? 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 588.84 589.79 Perhaps they decide tha 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 589.53 590.05 But they don't 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 597.15 602.47 uh let's that that then they uh that allow us to make some more costs. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 592.1 592.62 Of course. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 592.62 597.15 Perhaps they uh no, but perhaps they think uh okay, the cover is such a nice idea 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 603.6 605.47 We ca we uh we can at least tell them that 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 604.05 606.66 True, but we did we didn't get that. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 606.66 609.49 So I think it's it should either be a pack 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 609.49 615.04 maybe we sh that should be sold in in the s in stores with with a standard cover or something. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 615.04 615.34 But 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 606.71 607.27 You don't know that. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 608.77 609.16 Well 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 609.47 609.97 Huh. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 614.58 619.23 No, I'm not uh talking about that cost but the one that g has given us the order to design this. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 625.94 629.11 It is an still an option, but not for this price. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 623.09 625.94 we had to drop this and that, just that you know. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 619.23 623.09 We could at least m uh make it like this, like you said, and then tell them okay,
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 620.7 621.49 They could, but uh 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 646.79 653.98 drop the squishy feel, make it make it more breakable, um or turn it yellow. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 635.95 639.16 So that's what we gotta go with. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 630.79 633.76 So actually uh it's not that much of an increase, but yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 628.03 630.79 It's an option, but yeah, it's true. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 633.76 634.79 We cannot contact them. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 653.98 654.67 So 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 639.16 646.79 So it's either one fi just just to get it f just to get it through final, it's either turned into plastic,
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 634.79 635.95 It's just the order that we got. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 633.58 634.41 And if we 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 635.15 635.7 Exactly, but 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 635.16 635.37 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 648.92 649.26 Yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 650.1 650.26 Hmm. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 656.29 658.76 It's uh something we have to decide on. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 660.04 664.76 I'd say lose the curve and the colour and 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 667.71 668.63 Uh the curve. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 662.88 664.3 I say lose the curve. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 668.63 673.26 So That's just this one just d this is the banana curve. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 664.3 667.71 Oh that's true, we could lose the c yeah, I forgot that, sorry. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 668.95 671.74 So which curve is that ba that's basically that curve. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 673.11 673.49 Hmm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 674.84 675.72 Yeah, that's better. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 675.08 676.85 So this would this would be straight. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 675.24 677.17 So we could u still have the comfort. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 682.26 684.47 No, would ju then it would just be a straight remote. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 684.47 686.56 Just like like that. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 678.48 682.26 No, uh no, that would be a curve inside the thing, I guess. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 686.38 686.6 Hmm. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 694.78 696.16 we could make it yellow then, but 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 689.77 694.78 Which would, yeah, turn it into something far more ordinary. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 695.21 696.96 I second that. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 697.91 699.76 You second that, you second that we lose the curve. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 705.01 708.45 So that's not really that 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 700.25 705.01 No, that it would turn out to be a pretty straight-forward remote control. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 704.91 705.54 Okay, yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 705.24 706.21 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 706.21 706.48 Yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 706.75 714.43 So I think it would be a good idea to keep the curve to separate it from the rest of the remote control world, so to speak. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 714.43 715.38 So we keep the curve. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 711.88 712.16 Hmm. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 723.69 729.69 And I'm in favour of keeping the rubber, because it has more more advantages than the colour yellow has. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 717.86 723.69 So the only only solution is either to use the l y lose the yellow or lose the rubber. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 717.88 718.49 I would 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 726.43 726.79 Oh. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 728.35 728.71 I agree. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 730.09 735.07 I would say I would agree with you on the colour, because that's an extra option 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 735.07 738.71 an extra service we can deliver for a little bit of more money. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 729.32 730.09 Yeah. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 738.71 740.82 So we can always do that. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 730.32 730.53 No. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 730.49 730.68 Yep. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 736.97 737.28 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 755.06 759.76 But anyways we're here. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 751.64 755.06 So it's too bad we can't make the whole super thing. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 741.34 747.27 So I think we can take that option and just with uh with the idea in the back of our head that you can customise your remote control. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 739.15 741.34 Yeah, um I guess people are willing to pay for that. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 747.27 750.47 So I think that would still make it a nice product. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 759.76 761.71 Um yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 750.47 751.64 Okay, we're final on that. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 741.89 742.22 Yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 742.19 742.61 Hmm? 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 747.88 748.09 Yes. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 761.4 763.09 Which is basically what we discussed. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 762.74 764.01 This we discussed just now. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 766.13 769.04 That's just now just we could just discuss how the project went. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 769.04 770.12 I mean, was kind of 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 770.78 771.73 And I want to do that. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 800.23 800.81 So 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 783.46 793.58 Because that was I th it was really essential really to ma because we spent uh uh entire stage designing a product of which we had no idea what it would cost. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 778.88 783.46 We didn't I think it was too bad we didn't have the financial info the last time. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 771.37 778.88 I sort of expected that everything would turn out this way, but because you yeah, everything cannot be for free. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 793.58 800.23 So we just put something I think it's really nor not in stroke with reality actually. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 783.51 785.66 Yes, we could have 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 783.83 784 Huh. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 792.89 793.17 Hmm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 794.44 794.72 Yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 806.32 808.87 and then I d had not list of available c finances. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 800.42 806.32 Me too, I felt a bit blind throughout the project, because in the beginning I had no list of available materials 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 808.87 809.16 So 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 802.79 803.14 Yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 812.54 814.24 So I suppose 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 806.71 812.54 Materials would be ok at least the last meeting I would have expected had to have that. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 804.47 806.71 Yeah, I think would have been. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 804.97 805.36 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 806.7 807.03 But 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 814.3 817.9 Let's um see um 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 817.53 818.81 Yeah, let's see if it sells. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 818.81 823.03 I mean I suppose this sells, because it's very very extended. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 823.03 823.56 But 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 819.94 820.35 Um 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 823.56 825.71 Well I hope it sells. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 824.11 824.51 Let's 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 825.34 825.7 Uh 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 826.06 826.36 Hmm. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 828.81 833.67 I mean it's got everything for the for the reasonable price, because we didn't know what it's gonna cost anyway. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 826.18 828.81 I suppose it sells, because it's good. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 827.76 828.07 Oh. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 832.18 832.39 Hmm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 838.29 838.47 Hmm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 853.84 867.32 I uh will pre present uh some statements and we will decided together wha what if it's true or false and uh then we see uh if the requirements of the user are fulfilled or not. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 847.9 853.84 Um I have some uh a method, a requirements and scale of. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 839.54 847.9 Okay, let's eval evaluate uh the product of us, our design. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 861.42 861.83 Okay. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 866.07 867.52 Have been met, okay. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 868.66 869.35 And I will 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 870.97 873.32 uh make a new blank sheet. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 873.21 873.93 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 878.5 885.21 I thought it was okay, but the advanced uh settings, um screen, audio and channel 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 875.31 878.5 So so the buttons, the look and feel. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 885.27 888.61 Which are basically accessible through the menu button. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 885.72 886.75 They're stuck under menu. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 886.8 887.48 We are not 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 895.73 897.87 I think it's very uh very well met. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 887.96 888.49 For the menu. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 888.49 895.73 I think those are totally met, because we we really took them for the they have the feel they want, they have the simplicity they want. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 897.87 899.16 Either two or one maybe. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 888.31 888.68 Hmm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 890.04 891.28 Oh the menu button is it. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 891.11 891.37 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 891.86 892.66 Hi Oh, okay. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 894.81 895.95 Then it's all uh 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 898.1 899.12 S it's true. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 898.38 898.7 One. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 902.4 903.86 So it could either be a two or a one. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 900.15 902.4 I think we took that everything they wanted into consideration. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 901.79 902.07 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 904.55 905 So d 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 906.43 907.97 Oh wait. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 909.91 910.5 The p 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 907.97 909.91 Uh pen. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 907.24 908.22 One and a half. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 909.87 911.05 Which is not an option. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 912.2 913.84 Oh yeah, it's red, okay, but 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 913.01 914.52 Just create our own option. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 915.23 918.06 Look and feel is everybo it's true. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 921.39 921.68 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 921.82 922.24 So 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 923.55 924.94 Anyone? 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 931.47 932.03 It's 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 924.94 931.47 And the next one uh yeah, when it's lost uh you can find it. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 939.02 942.55 But I mean we tried, so I think it that's that deserves a one. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 936.45 938.37 Because if it's stuck in you couch, you can see the light. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 938.37 939.02 Maybe you can hear it. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 929.92 930.74 It's perfect. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 930.74 932.4 Even for deaf people, yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 932.4 936.45 It's I don't think it's perfect, but we did everything possible to to get it back. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 932.28 932.42 Hmm. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 935.57 937.11 To make it that way, yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 940.86 941.45 And it's 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 939.89 940.86 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 943.55 944.39 and it's yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 945.52 946.11 Definitely. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 950.39 952.12 That's okay then. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 952.12 952.9 And the next one. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 949.42 950.39 To. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 955.25 955.86 How is that? 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 955.86 957.92 Uh w we had we don't have an uh 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 959.17 959.86 Manual. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 959.94 960.76 manual, yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 962.06 964.03 But I think that's a part of it. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 964.03 964.44 But 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 969.94 970.55 So 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 962.18 969.94 I think the L. C. D. display could be a little bit more difficult then a normal remote control, but then again, it's for young people. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 964.96 966.53 I'd use an remote control. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 967.54 967.91 Mm yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 970.5 972.53 Yeah, an L. C. D., it tells a lot about uh 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 972.55 972.9 Yeah, I th 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 972.79 979.57 And it's pretty straight-forward, you have a navigation no keys to navigate through the L. C. D. menus. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 979.57 980.16 So 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 974.41 974.8 Exactly. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 974.44 975.56 It's pretty straight-forward, uh-huh. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 976.15 976.61 No, that's true. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 978.19 979.66 I think it won't be a big problem. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 978.8 979.14 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 980.35 983.42 So it's a one or a I don't know. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 981.76 983.8 One I d no, actu 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 985.19 989.61 I think but we didn't even there was no issue on making a manual actually. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 989.61 991.41 We didn't really discuss it, but 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 985.87 987.64 For the advanced uh settings. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 990.21 991.45 No okay, that uh that's true. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1003.52 1010.42 Maybe it's a two, because d uh the L. C. D. is a little is a little new and there is there are some option hidden under the menu button. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1010.42 1012.71 So I might make this a two instead of a one, I guess. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 992.4 995.63 I don't think it takes no, it really does doesn't take time to learn, I think. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 995.63 1000.54 We took it s it's so easy, we have so little button, everything speaks for itself really. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1000.54 1003.52 So I think that's yeah, we didn't it's either two or one, I guess. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 996.09 997.87 No, it it is pretty straight-forward. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 996.13 997.04 Oh, so it 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1000.54 1001.04 Ah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1001.04 1001.87 Um 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1002.24 1002.87 Takes no ti 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1007.81 1009.77 With the more important functions on. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1009.41 1009.76 Yeah. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1010.7 1010.94 Yeah. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1012.31 1012.79 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1012.86 1015.51 And the L. C. D., you have to see it. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1015.88 1016.95 So just make that a two. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1018.13 1020.13 Um mm 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1023.58 1025.25 Oh, it's a little bit 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1026.36 1026.89 learning. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1035.15 1038.91 Uh yeah it's uh a little bit same. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1038.91 1041.93 But it tells you or not? 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1033.07 1035.15 Okay. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1039.32 1039.61 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1043.95 1048.3 I think it's perfect, the w where it is, what it can do, if it useful. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1048.3 1048.76 I think so. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1040.84 1043.17 You can use the L. C. D. in a good way. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1043.17 1043.95 I think so. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1048.41 1050.96 But wha w oh, yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1050.96 1051.91 What are we uh 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1049.06 1049.4 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1052.99 1055.23 displaying on the L. C. D. screen? 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1055.23 1058.31 Just uh only the channels and or 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1058.85 1059.84 the menus uh 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1060.7 1061.11 What uh? 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1060.77 1066.68 Things like brightness and uh those kind of things we've put in the menu, because we have no buttons for those. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1068.75 1068.92 But 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1066.46 1068.75 Well, basically the menu options indeed. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1069.09 1070.65 Oh, in the L. C. D. screen. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1070.01 1072.19 No, y I mean in the L. C. D. screen, the small screen. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1072.19 1073 What does it display? 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1070.78 1070.99 Yes. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1072.26 1074.83 And for a channel selection, uh or that's not 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1079.81 1083.99 but 'cause it's this requires a quite quite a bit of band-width. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1074.04 1079.81 Well I thought it was I thought it was I thought that people wanted previews on their I'm not sure if that even possible 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1083.99 1085.04 I don't think it's possible really. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1085.04 1085.2 But 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1078.51 1081.39 Yeah, I thought I thought too but yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1086.55 1089.28 the they didn't really define in what should be used for. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1086.72 1087.01 But 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1089.33 1092.27 Maybe a T. V. guide or something in your L. C. D. uh 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1089.57 1090.03 No. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1090.86 1096.27 But I think in for example like T. V. guides, I think that's that th that you can transmit through it and everything. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1096.27 1098.2 Just for extra information on your programmes. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1091.95 1092.25 Mm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1093.33 1093.68 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1098.97 1101.96 Yeah, it must be clear then what what what for we use it. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1107.47 1109.38 how do you configure that. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1118.69 1120.47 Now we gave it enough thought though. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1113.17 1116.08 No, maybe it's not a one because it's we're not using it perfectly. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1120.47 1121.76 I think we d should just lower this. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1116.08 1118.69 We didn't give it I don't thing over-discussing. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1111.36 1113.17 I think it's good. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1124.01 1126.3 We could've used it more effectively probably. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1109.38 1111.36 So that could be done by L. C. D. display. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1099.64 1107.47 But also things like like like menus or p how about preferences of your uh with configuring your remote control for favourite your favourite channel for example 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1121.76 1124.01 Maybe maybe it's a three though. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1105.73 1106.11 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1107.15 1107.45 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1120.23 1120.48 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1127.11 1127.76 Yeah, indeed. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1129.09 1132.58 So everybody's agree with an uh three on it, it's 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1132.33 1132.64 Yes. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1134.59 1135.02 So 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1132.89 1134.59 Two or three. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1132.36 1132.89 Yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1132.72 1137.61 Yeah, we are using it, but it's not it's not poorly used, but it's not efficiently used, I think. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1144.41 1149.83 It's now it's just extra to illustrate im uh extra features, but okay. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1137.61 1144.41 We could have ev even lost the selection button and uh done everything via L. C. D. selection. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1133.5 1133.81 W 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1134.35 1134.71 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1143.18 1143.52 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1146.97 1148.31 Yeah, I 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1149.85 1150.35 A three. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1151.54 1153.58 Nah, it's not really only an extra. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1153.58 1154.31 No menus. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1154.31 1154.89 Think about 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1153.42 1156.55 You can seven. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1153.45 1155.13 Ah, nothing, that's 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1157.08 1157.89 Uh that's uh 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1155.98 1157.08 A seven. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1162.16 1163.04 So we scrap that. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1159.83 1162.16 Well, it can't talk anymore. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1158.34 1159.83 Can you talk to remote control? 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1158.76 1161.47 Or we could say it 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1161.85 1163.42 Yeah. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1164.26 1166.71 Or we could say neutral, we 'cause we scratched the 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1165.33 1170.28 Oh yeah Just to be a prick, but of course you can talk to your remote control, it doesn't do anything. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1170.28 1171.73 But you c you can talk to it. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1167.21 1167.38 C 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1168.61 1170.76 Yeah yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1174.08 1177.75 Uh yeah, all the trends and no colours uh anymore. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1171.52 1174.08 Not with the speech recognition. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1177.75 1178.53 So 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1181.38 1182.55 Uh the shape i shape is i 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1178.58 1181.38 Well, we did take everything into consideration of course. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1181.54 1184.17 Yeah, uh um only in the curves. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1183.28 1184.79 I think we yeah, I think that's okay. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1185.68 1187.65 But the colours, we don't have special colours on it. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1188.25 1188.73 So I 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1187.07 1188.25 No, we don't have the colour. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1188.04 1192.48 Yeah, special co but we took into consideration the fact that it's customisable to the fashi 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1191.25 1194.54 Yeah, but we yeah, we don't have it, so d 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1192.43 1195.38 Yes, but the end product So 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1192.88 1193.08 Hmm. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1195.49 1198.65 We don't have it we do have it, it's just sold as a package. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1198.65 1200.96 It does it's not part of the basic product. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1196.13 1197.02 In the end product. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1197.16 1197.45 But 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1199.42 1199.81 M 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1201.35 1204.11 Changing covers is also trend that we followed. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1203.58 1205.02 It that that's what I call trendy. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1212.97 1216.22 Because you ha it's just not affordable at the moment. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1206.31 1209.55 The the sh the the functions are trendy. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1205.02 1206.31 I mean the shape is trendy. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1209.55 1212.97 It's just the colours that are not supporting the basic model. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1212.61 1213.1 Now 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1214.72 1215.64 But it's not a one. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1215.04 1221.82 Maybe we should go with a two then, because it's not perfect, because we can't do it initially, but we 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1217.51 1217.86 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1219.79 1221.34 Oh. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1220.22 1220.54 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1220.38 1226.26 It's possible, but you have to pay extra for the for the possibility of having it in a f a different colour. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1228.29 1228.81 Oh well 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1230.35 1230.57 Oops. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1244.65 1248.05 Oh it's a two, right? 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1247.9 1248.3 Yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1248.42 1248.71 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1252.99 1254.86 On the last one. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1254.86 1256.3 Uh that n that's all. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1255.76 1256.8 Overall score. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1255.78 1257.08 Overall score. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1259.17 1259.99 It's um 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1257.54 1259.17 Overall. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1262.5 1263.19 sixteen. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1260.16 1262.5 One two three. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1261.19 1263.69 ten, sixteen 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1265.16 1270.56 three uh two two point seven or something like that. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1266.15 1268.71 Two two point some two point something. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1269.31 1269.53 Hmm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1273.13 1273.67 I don't know why. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1274.04 1275.58 Ten, sixteen, 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1277.48 1278.68 divided by 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1278.71 1279.46 Six. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1278.74 1279.25 Six. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1284.48 1286.02 Is two two third. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1287.18 1288.02 Two and two thirds. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1288.8 1289.37 Um 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1292.53 1297.08 So we can say it's it's the product is it's okay. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1297.46 1307.25 It's okay, but that's yo m mostly it's it's influenced by the fact that we didn't have enough resources to implement speech recognition. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1307.25 1309.99 'Cause yeah, that gives you a seven, which ruins your your average. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1297.83 1298.65 Y not 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1298.44 1298.66 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1300.07 1300.55 There's 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1306.74 1307 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1310.3 1310.61 Yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1311.28 1315.92 Without that it would be like under it wouldn't yeah, it would be under two. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1315.92 1318.51 So I think we have even with this it's reasonable. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1316.77 1317.13 Woah. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1329.41 1331.56 We come out on a average of two one eighth. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1320.43 1324.99 Yeah, if we make it into a four, as in neutral, because we didn't implement it 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1324.99 1329.41 so we can't say that we that it's really not well implemented. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1326.73 1327.06 Yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1332.3 1333.43 Well I think it's two is okay. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1335.4 1337.19 It's at least on the positive side. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1337.19 1342.52 So We could definitely have done better if we've had more resources, but 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1333.21 1335.4 So which is pretty w good. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1333.95 1334.19 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1335.01 1335.82 Yeah, two is pretty good. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1337.38 1338.34 Hmm, of course. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1337.56 1338.11 Definitely. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1337.86 1338.17 Yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1355.15 1357.69 We could have used it more efficiently, we just didn't think of it that way. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1343.67 1355.15 I think it's probably I I do admit that we d did miss a little or didn't sp didn't talk talk enough about the possibility of the L. C. D. display. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1343.42 1343.67 Yeah 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1344.14 1344.36 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1344.69 1345.02 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1355.28 1355.59 Yeah. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1357.4 1358.81 Yeah. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1358.81 1359.16 True. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1357.95 1359.18 Yeah, with. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1359.43 1367.47 So like I said, changing channels, everything hidden in your L. C. D. display, so you just need the navigation buttons to do everything. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1361.92 1362.55 The scale. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1367.73 1371.7 But I think for this price, this is it's really a reasonable product. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1371.7 1372.48 It's a good product. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1371.61 1376.52 I think we div I think we did very well, uh ev even if you look at this score, we did quite well. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1379.24 1379.81 So. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1376.52 1379.24 It just looking for improvements what what you could have improved. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1373.58 1373.88 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1375.48 1377.17 With an L. C. D. screen. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1375.58 1375.69 Oh. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1379.58 1386.97 But if pep people really want speech recognition, then they must be prepared to pu to pay more, because it's cannot be done for this. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1378.2 1378.99 Oh. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1378.99 1379.58 Yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1385.84 1390.46 They sh they should get kids, and just stick 'em in T. V. and say change the channel. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1385.95 1387.32 Yeah, you can make 'em another one. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1388.88 1389.8 Hmm yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1393.19 1395.4 You cannot th think of that 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1390.72 1393.19 Ah but for this price uh you cannot ask that. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1393.44 1395.63 Uh it's just not it it's not affordable. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1392.88 1393.44 I don' think so. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1395.63 1402.19 Or your sh you should lose the L. C. D. screen probably, but I think that's I think the L. C. D. screen is more worth than speech recognition. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1395.42 1396.3 No, it's not. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1398.57 1398.84 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1401.66 1403.09 Oh It's also more attractive. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1404.83 1406.23 Okay, that was that. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1403.45 1404.83 Definitely. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1406.96 1407.33 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1410.29 1410.58 Yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1415.32 1418.58 Let's see, what was left in the the Another one. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1411.96 1415.32 So that's the final product without the speakers, I guess. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1412.47 1413.54 So did you 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1434.05 1438.52 Yeah, we evaluate the product. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1430.83 1434.05 Hmm. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1445.38 1454.72 We took the whole new approach of making exchangeable cover for example, which I thought was pretty creative, because it was never never ever listed somewhere. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1438.52 1445.38 General project, what's i in For example, I thou I thought we were pretty creative in what we created. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1455.55 1455.84 Hmm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1455.88 1456.6 Favourite channel. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1457.04 1457.36 Well 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1470.69 1474.57 Because, yeah was very hard to work with one another if you cannot communicate in the meantime,
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1459.78 1460.53 Anyways. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1468.56 1470.69 I think we did pretty well as team-work though. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1488.06 1494.94 So it would be better if y if there was more communication between uh because that's that's what would w you what you would normally do 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1494.94 1496.38 either call or email someone. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1496.38 1501.81 So that was too bad con was impossible here anyways. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1480.72 1488.06 Say, look, this is you're doing the wrong thing, you're s you're wasting your time now, because we're implementing stuff that we cannot afford. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1474.57 1480.72 because when I got the when I got the input for the financial results, initially of course I wanted to contact you. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1461.78 1466.49 I mean perhaps I screwed up because I d put a put a speech recognition into it. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1460.53 1461.78 Yeah, leadership is up to you. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1466.49 1468.56 But that's not for me to decide. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1468.78 1469.12 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1467.79 1468.78 Yeah, I know. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1471 1471.29 Yes. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1473.52 1473.7 Hmm. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1474.83 1475.12 Hmm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1475.56 1476.89 Yeah, you're working separate. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1478.85 1479.03 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1481.97 1482.22 Yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1482.54 1482.67 Huh. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1486.27 1486.58 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1487.23 1488.02 Yeah, yeah yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1487.41 1487.6 Hmm. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1488.43 1488.8 Hmm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1492.69 1495.33 Direct uh communication with yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1491.54 1492.69 Yeah yeah yeah. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1492.84 1494.98 And we could share information which we received. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1496.91 1497.16 Hmm. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1499.84 1501.35 That's the same thing that I had in the beginning. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1501.35 1504.1 Everybody was using materials that s I didn't have. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1504.1 1504.44 So 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1506.47 1512.14 There was just too little information about what things actually cost and if you could use them. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1504.49 1506.47 It didn't have or didn't knew what they costs or whatever. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1512.14 1514.79 So that was a little unclear I suppose. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1514.79 1517.02 I think a SMARTboard SMARTboard is pretty cool. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1517.02 1524.54 I think uh s especially for design issues, it's very easy just to give your give your thoughts a little it's easier to share them. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1504.71 1504.97 Yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1506.13 1506.46 Oh. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1506.8 1507.03 Yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1509.71 1510.05 Hmm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1517.68 1520.86 My handwriting is little bit yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1522.92 1523.21 Yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1524.71 1524.97 Hmm. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1524.97 1531.27 Although for actual design I'd say the response time should be a little bit higher, because 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1527.56 1531.21 It's a little less it the response time is le it's very bad. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1531.21 1534.96 It's good to visualise everything, but I think the response time should could be a lot better. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1530.49 1530.61 Hmm. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1535.01 1538.82 The digital pen was definitely better to draw my ideas and to 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1535.24 1536.25 But th that's 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1537.92 1538.53 Definitely. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1538.43 1538.67 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1539.59 1540.52 Yeah, it's true. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1539.6 1540.12 Yeah, okay. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1539.95 1541.23 further elaborate on that. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1541.23 1541.67 So 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1544.02 1546.58 Uh you have to finish a page before going to a n 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1541.34 1544.02 But there's uh also one problem with this I noticed. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1550.27 1554.15 I just you just ditch it and you can copy it or whatever. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1565.06 1568.74 You can just preview your p you can just preview your page in the in the programme. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1547.94 1550.27 I jin I didn't check the finish button. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1562.42 1565.06 But it's not necessary to check either one of those two. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1545.83 1547.57 No, you don't have to. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1554.15 1557.74 Uh only if you uh check the notes or press done. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1557.74 1562.42 Then it um then you can then it exports to Word automatically. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1547.57 1547.94 No, you don't. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1548.1 1548.85 You can 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1547.18 1548.1 No. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1548.23 1548.33 Oh. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1551.08 1552.26 Done and then it's okay. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1553.36 1554.82 Okay, I saw that uh 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1560.6 1560.71 Hmm. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1565.06 1565.91 Yeah, but I made 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1565.66 1566.84 Oh, okay. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1569.23 1572.09 Okay, but I made three pages and they were not finished. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1572.09 1575.73 And when the third one was finished, I wanted to download it and then it was not possible anymore 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1575.73 1579.85 because you have to close all the pinnits uh the pages before going further. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1569.33 1570.25 Okay, yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1579.44 1581.39 Okay, before starting a ne a new page. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1581.39 1582.47 Okay, that could be b. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1580.26 1581 Okay. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1582.03 1584.5 So we cannot work on more than one page at same time. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1584.5 1585.56 That's not possible. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1585.56 1589.04 You have to finish it completely, then download it, it's then start a new one. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1589.04 1593.02 That's not very uh handy, but if you know that, then it's not a problem. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1581.48 1582.03 Exactly. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1582.84 1583.08 Oh. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1585.54 1585.7 Hmm. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1585.68 1586.21 Okay. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1587.01 1587.49 Okay. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1586.12 1587.01 Oh can you? 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1588.55 1589.33 Yeah, okay. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1590.54 1590.77 That's 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1596.1 1596.86 Any new ideas? 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1603.62 1609.85 because if you get new information, it's essential f for the other team-mates to know that as soon as possible,
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1609.85 1617.43 because you would avoid making doing extra work, because you were doing extra work now uh m working on the on the speech recognition 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1592.48 1596.1 Yeah, it's understandable, okay. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1596.86 1603.62 Yeah, more communication between between uh that's the thing I noticed, that communication is very um very important,
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1617.43 1621.41 you have limitation both on the technical on the d on the design side. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1623.65 1629.61 But that's I think it's more of a a setting here that you cannot communicate than uh than somewhere else. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1629.61 1630.07 So 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1621.41 1623.65 So I think that could have been better. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1602.42 1603.63 Important to mm 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1617.36 1617.8 Yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1628.44 1628.69 Hmm. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1629.73 1639.79 Yeah, well it could also possibly be well, is it a more real-time information base, so we can all see which information is available to one another. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1641.15 1646.33 but I get spammed like every t every two minutes there was a there was another email about master classes or something. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1646.33 1648.54 So which were totally useless actually. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1652.09 1652.72 So I just 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1638.98 1641.15 I'm not sure i I'm not sure you got spammed as well 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1637.21 1638.98 And l less p less spam probably. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1636.62 1637.21 Yeah, I think so. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1648.54 1652.09 I thought I should probably look into them, but they were all useless. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1639.07 1639.59 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1643.13 1643.16 Ah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1644.07 1644.61 Well 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1646.43 1646.71 Hmm. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1653.73 1655.94 Well, I personally did not have that, but 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1654.14 1654.45 Mm 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1655.68 1656.24 Oh okay. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1658.43 1660.81 That's probably your l description. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1664.93 1672.42 Is that we finished up the design and then we checked the website, and then there was just extra information. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1663.06 1664.93 But still, you had that as well. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1660.81 1663.06 But I also didn't not really. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1664.59 1664.77 Huh. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1669.15 1669.33 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1670.4 1671.23 Yeah, after 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1672.39 1673.7 After five minutes, uh 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1673.67 1674.21 Yeah, 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1674.14 1676.43 There was a little delay in the bit of a c 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1675.26 1675.74 Yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1678.75 1679.72 So that's that's kind of a 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1675.92 1678.75 I didn't have any uh more information, it's just always the same here. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1677.64 1678.55 crucial delay. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1678.64 1678.82 Mm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1680.43 1681.39 Email uh 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1681.26 1682.73 It would change, but not for me. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1682.73 1686.4 So I'd I had no extra information to go on that one than what you give me actually. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1686.4 1693.09 I couldn't do any research myself or I see, that's yeah, w I could have done a little extra work probably, then 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1684.61 1684.7 Hmm. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1686.06 1686.31 Hmm. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1688.4 1688.63 Hmm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1693.33 1693.95 it's 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1697.35 1697.68 So 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1695.44 1697.35 But I was busy enough anyway. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1697.58 1697.84 Hmm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1698.07 1698.62 Yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1700.73 1708.55 Or is that a 'cause uh yeah, it's well, probably is. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1699.02 1700.73 Any new ideas found? 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1704.54 1704.68 No. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1708.07 1709.67 How much time do we have for this anyway? 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1710.25 1711.95 I have no clue. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1711.95 1715.19 That's like oh,but it 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1716.57 1721.84 Should i if the project is evaluated and it was it was in b within budget, we should celebrate. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1721.84 1726.4 So 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1721.92 1724.69 Okay, bring out the beer. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1726.5 1727.34 Champagne. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1722.05 1726.5 Yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1731.68 1731.96 Uh 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1729.76 1731.68 Uh okay, think that's about it. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1730.28 1731.82 I want one for my own. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1740.79 1742.85 What you ha from your assistant. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1733.47 1740.79 I'm not sure what we should still do though uh t let's see what all your tasks were finished, right? 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1742.85 1743.63 So let's 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1740.6 1740.85 Yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1741.12 1742.91 I have no more email. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1742.91 1745.12 My coach is uh being very silent now. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1745.44 1747.01 Yeah, my personal coach i 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1745.53 1749.66 Okay, I should I think I sh I still have the the total report to finish up. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1749.66 1753.35 I think we took very little time now, because 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1758.66 1759.8 The one thing we missed though, 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1754.82 1758.66 Yeah, we're in agreement, everything the design is okay. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1761.05 1761.94 we don't have a product name. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1761.23 1761.63 What 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1770.21 1774.52 Sony uh T. R. something uh f means nothing to me. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1762.88 1766.02 No, we haven't think above about that. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1774.52 1774.95 Uh 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1766.02 1767.29 Huh. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1767.29 1770.21 It's better than thi I think than a serial number. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1763.42 1765.95 How about you cook a how about you cook up a product name? 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1763.72 1764.63 Product name. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1763.8 1765.85 Yeah, name. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1772.47 1773.53 Or fruit name. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1774.67 1777.72 I'll be working on this until the beep until it beeps. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1777.72 1778.06 So 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1772.67 1774.67 Just oh, think of a catchy name. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1778.17 1779.03 Like fruit names. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1785.4 1786.56 I don't know. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1780.46 1782.81 Fruit name or something like that. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1786.56 1787.88 Yeah, it's the form of it. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1782.81 1785.4 The banana remote or something. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1783.32 1783.65 Fruit? 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1782.94 1783.32 What? 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1787.54 1789.18 It's not yellow anyway. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1790.23 1791.06 It is curved, but 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1785.03 1787.54 You don't want it to resemble a banana. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1789.18 1790.23 It's not yellow anymore. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1787.47 1789.42 The bana 'cause it's not yellow anymore. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1789 1790.47 Yeah oh, yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1791.33 1792.28 Uh yeah. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1793.53 1799.31 Well, uh I was going for the R. C. deluxe, but it's not really a catchy name or anything, it's more 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1793.53 1794.65 Uh 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1799.18 1799.99 No, it's 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1803.78 1805.62 Numbers are so meaningless to the people. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1800.36 1803.78 Uh at least it's not something with numbers. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1805.62 1805.96 I mean 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1801.41 1802.19 Hmm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1805.18 1805.51 Yeah. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1807.77 1813.82 Something with our company name, can we do anything with that? 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1807.87 1808.29 That's true. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1819.27 1820.71 Reaction, Real Reaction. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1819.44 1821.83 Maybe there's something on the website which will help us out. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1829.67 1830.67 Real Reaction. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1830.93 1832.45 The reaction deluxe. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1831.55 1833.67 Real Reaction future R. C. . 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1836.3 1839.26 Step into the future of of remote controlling your T. V. . 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1839.68 1843.85 Is that a name or a c campaign? 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1843.85 1844.11 Yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1842.09 1844.01 No that's a that's a catchy slogan. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1846.91 1847.46 Or the 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1847 1848.32 Control your remote control. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1848.32 1849.46 The real reactor. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1850.98 1851.45 Real react. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1851.68 1853.62 I go for future R. C. probably. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1854.86 1855.43 Something like 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1857 1857.41 It's short f 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1857.01 1860.53 The Real Reactor, I don't find that uh that bad at all. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1861.6 1862.46 Real reactor? 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1862.65 1863.85 Yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1863.85 1865.22 Because our name is Real Reaction. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1863.68 1865.93 You should write it down as a an option. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1864.01 1864.67 Uh that that's 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1865.78 1870.2 That makes me think of different products than a remote control really. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1872.65 1873.36 I'm not sure. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1873.36 1874.42 Real reaction in a real 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1878.56 1878.99 Zapping. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1880.25 1880.79 The 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1889.43 1890.42 So that's one option. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1890.23 1891.19 Real reactor. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1901.18 1901.6 Didn't notice. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1904.56 1906.89 So that the first three letters are s the same. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1906.89 1907.77 R. E. A. R. E. A. . 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1901.94 1904.56 I'm looking for things in the name. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1904.09 1904.91 Mm. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1906.02 1908.24 Should I write the banana down or 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1908.64 1909.29 Yeah, sure. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1909.12 1910.82 I take f yeah, take a banana. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1909.85 1910.19 Sure? 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1910.4 1911.73 The banana. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1913.24 1913.7 Hmm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1913.59 1914.12 Remote. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1916.17 1918.35 Banana recei R. C. . 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1922.99 1923.53 Triple R. . 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1917.55 1919.17 The triple R. . 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1919.17 1922.99 Real Reaction remotes control. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1920.69 1921.19 Remote. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1922.27 1922.63 Well I 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1924.73 1925.51 R. three C. . 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1925.51 1927.09 Uh do you mean it like 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1928.22 1929.5 R. three C. . 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1929.72 1930.34 yeah. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1930.62 1931.71 You mean it like this? 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1931.71 1932.24 Yeah, that 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1937.16 1937.46 Oh yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1935.52 1937.16 R. three C. . 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1932.18 1935.52 Real Reaction Remote Control. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1937.36 1938.34 No, not like that. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1938.34 1942.1 It should be it should be longer, because it's not a product name that you f print on a box. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1941.19 1941.83 I think 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1942.4 1943.5 triple R. . 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1943.5 1943.99 Doesn't sound? 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1948.92 1950.69 Triple dash R. dash s s C. . 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1943.62 1948.92 Just write out triple, like a word triple R. C., triple stripe Oh. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1944.63 1945.54 Yeah, triple R. . 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1947.88 1948.22 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1948.95 1949.81 Triple R. C. . 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1949.07 1949.23 Ah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1951.97 1953.1 The triple R. C., yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1953.48 1953.75 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1957.07 1958.73 R. s R. three C. . 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1969.56 1970.77 R. dash C. . 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1972.96 1973.74 Dash C. ? 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1973.43 1974.63 I think I like it like this more. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1974.05 1975.37 Dash. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1975.37 1976.71 Triple R. or triple R. C. ? 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 1978.12 1980.54 Like a C. right now or a dash in a C. ? 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1978.58 1979.62 Triple R. dash. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1980.81 1981.61 How about do both? 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1985.04 1985.97 Sure if it looks stupid. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1989.7 1996.9 Uh I think that the the R. C. together takes away the the the image of it's a triple 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1996.72 1996.94 Hmm. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2006.13 2007.22 The Real Reaction Remote. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 1997.98 2003.33 Uh the first the first one looks like it's a triple remote control, but it's only a single remote control. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2003.33 2006.13 And it's especially on the triple R. that's important. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 1998.54 1998.74 Mm. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 1999.7 2000.15 That 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2005.8 2008.18 Yeah, this yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2006.12 2007.84 I would huh. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2007.84 2011.2 I would lose the C. and just name it triple R. . 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 2011.98 2012.34 No. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 2010.72 2011.98 Is it triple R. C. s? 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2017.11 2018.98 I would just say triple R. s triple R. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2013.57 2017.11 It sounds like uh thinking about two different things and combining it. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2015.83 2016.57 Triple remote. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2019.4 2019.8 Yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2021.63 2023.03 Yeah, triple R. yeah, you can 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 2021.65 2022.98 Well, that's another option. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2023.2 2024.77 That's also short, catchy. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2024.03 2024.53 It's okay. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2027.27 2028.37 Yeah, triple R. . 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 2027.34 2030.17 Okay, so which ones are we going to scratch 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2030.48 2033.96 The banana. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2033.96 2035.63 Banana. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 2031.4 2032.04 definitely? 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2033.17 2034.75 Banana. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2033.59 2034.92 Banana remote. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 2036.34 2037.47 I say this one as well. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2037.74 2039.28 Yeah, the deluxe. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2041.43 2042.53 I think triple R. is cool. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2039.42 2041.43 I think we're all in agreement about the triple R. . 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2041.52 2041.86 Yes. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2041.65 2043.51 The r triple R. . 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 2042.12 2042.64 Triple R. ? 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 2044.87 2045.72 Triple R. it is. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2044.91 2047.1 And it looks cool when you print it in font, looks pretty cool. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2045.07 2045.29 Yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2048.98 2049.71 did you do now? 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2055.64 2057.44 So have to write my report now, I guess. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2050.31 2055.64 Just like this just and you just print triple R., it looks doesn't look bad, it's short, it's okay. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2057.44 2058.28 Um 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2052.6 2052.77 Yeah. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2055.1 2055.3 Yeah. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2061.13 2061.9 Um 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2075.27 2077.55 I think it's adjourned. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2077.55 2082.67 Retire to my lair and finish the report. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2074.19 2075.27 Okay. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2069.07 2074.19 We have the product, we have the costs, we have the possibility of everything. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2067.17 2069.07 Yeah, so we have everything. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2071.67 2071.94 Yep. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2073.32 2073.92 That will not 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2072.76 2073.32 It can't work. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2084.12 2084.87 That was a short meeting. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2085.42 2085.69 Mm-hmm. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2086.44 2087.19 But efficient though. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2088.76 2090.91 The boss is always the last one to go home. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2090.91 2091.23 So 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2095.71 2098.63 Okay, goodbye. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2091.92 2094.85 Probably. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2094.85 2095.71 See. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2097.29 2097.64 Okay. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2098.61 2099.38 See you in a minute. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2104.04 2104.17 Damn. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2109.82 2111.57 I will write that one 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2115.6 2117.13 in a Word uh document. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2117.4 2117.69 Okay. 
TS3012d H00 MTD045PM 2157.32 2160.61 Could you guys draw me a picture of the final design to put on the cover of the report? 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 2160.23 2160.73 Yeah, sure. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2164 2164.63 Can't we take this one? 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2165 2165.62 Oh sh 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2167.98 2169.75 Otherwise we have to do it all over again. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2168.44 2169.14 Um 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 2172.42 2175.54 I don't really know whether we can save it as a picture or no. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2176.46 2177.73 Is it okay if I try? 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2177.73 2178.66 Is that okay with you? 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 2178.07 2178.69 Sure. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2178.12 2182.54 Yeah, okay, I will ask you when uh I need the information. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2182.54 2185.76 So it's oh. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2181.04 2182.14 I'll put it back in a minute. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2186.46 2189.73 Okay, it has been saving something, but where to I don't know. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2188.81 2189.38 Uh 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2191.17 2191.48 Oh. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2193.69 2194.06 Merge. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2193.91 2197.83 Oh, can I say exp yes, I can. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2197.83 2198.92 Export as J. PEG. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2195.58 2196.17 Sucks. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2211.51 2213.35 Okay, can I not put this 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2214.82 2215.55 wherever I wants. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2218.25 2219.5 My document is the wrong one, huh. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2221.51 2222.05 Yeah, but 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2222.8 2223.41 I cannot 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 2223.17 2224.16 Network places. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2223.98 2225.17 Smart no. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2223.19 2223.98 I don't know. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2230.83 2231.86 That one is. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2226.41 2230.83 Ma it's maybe it's not on the network of uh the rest. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2230.34 2230.96 I don't think so. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2232.67 2233.59 Document and settings. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 2233.17 2234.5 I wouldn't pick that one, no. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2239.06 2240.32 That's a pity. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2240.32 2242.46 That means that we have to gonna draw it again. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2248.64 2248.92 Okay. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2247.28 2248.64 Are you gonna do that? 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 2249.32 2249.48 Oh. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 2248.57 2249.32 Sure. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2255.19 2255.48 That 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2258.5 2258.87 Yes. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2261.02 2261.33 Okay. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2263.46 2263.81 Okay. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2265.58 2265.9 Okay. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2270.03 2270.82 Yes, that's correct. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2270.48 2270.8 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2277.42 2277.92 Okay. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2277.47 2278.32 Okay. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2285.37 2286.42 Oh, it's export. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2284.17 2285.37 No. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2286.91 2288.56 Oh yeah,. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2292.67 2292.91 Okay. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2293.64 2294.59 Can I see scores? 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2294.59 2298.45 Uh, one one, two threes, two 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2294.62 2295.42 Oh, of course. 
TS3012d H02 MTD046ID 2295.42 2295.73 Sorry. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2302.78 2303.13 Yes. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2300.11 2302.78 Okay, then we'll overall, two points. 
TS3012d H01 MTD047UID 2306.89 2307.65 I see you later. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2308.04 2308.25 Yeah. 
TS3012d H03 MTD048ME 2323.9 2324.39 Mm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3.34 3.88 'Kay. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 5.57 5.94 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5.6 6.01 Gosh. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 10.48 10.88 'Kay. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 11.09 15.53 Does anyone want to see uh Steve's feedback from the specification? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 16.77 18.05 Is there much more in it than he d 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 17.07 19.61 I I dry-read it the last time. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 18.95 19.26 Right. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 19.01 20.77 Is there much more in it than he said yesterday? 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 21.41 25.77 Not really, um just what he's talking about, like duplication of effort and 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 22.98 23.27 Mm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 27.02 27.44 Hmm? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 25.08 27.02 Hmm. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 39.61 40.04 Yeah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 28.09 33 Like duplication of effort and stuff, and um yeah,
EN2001a H00 MEE068 33 39.61 he was saying that we should maybe uh think about having a prototype for week six, which is next week. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 38.78 39.4 Next week. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 42.24 47.46 So we should probably prioritize our packages. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 82.61 85.08 So that's for me 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 56.24 59.7 and for the stuff that we don't have pre-annotated write like a stupid baseline 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 64.41 70.98 so that we we take the the ready-made parts and just see how we get them work together in the interface the way we want and and then we have a working prototype. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 79.91 82.61 The thing is I'm away this weekend. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 70.98 78.29 And then we can go back and replace pieces either by our own components or by more sophisticated compo po components of our own. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 78.29 79.91 So it's probably feasible. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 59.7 64.41 then we should probably be able to basically that means we focus on on the interface first sort of 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 46.83 56.24 Yeah, now I'd say if for the prototype if we just like wherever possible p chunk in the stuff that we have um pre-annotated and stuff 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 56.64 56.89 Mm. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 78.81 79.13 Yeah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 80.02 80.38 Yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 94.32 94.71 Uh mm mm 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 84.38 94.32 Yeah, I mean if we just want to have um some data for the user face, could even be random data. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 93.94 94.19 No. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 93.23 93.94 Oh yeah, um yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 100.03 104.26 I c I I think I can do that fairly quickly because I have the algorithms. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 94.19 100.03 But also I might like the the similarity thing, like my just my matrix itself for my stuff 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 104.26 110.43 Yeah, I think today's meeting is really the one where we where we sort of settle down the data structure and as soon as we have that,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 110.43 112.89 uh probably like after today's meeting, we then actually need to 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 93.75 94.23 Yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 104 104.58 Yeah, I'm 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 109.77 110.22 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 114.6 121.77 well go back first of all and look at NITE X. M. L. to see in how far that that which we want is compatible with that which NITE X. M. L. offers us. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 121.77 126.65 And then just sort of everyone make sure everyone understand the interface. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 121.94 122.14 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 136.29 139.61 we go and look at NITE X. M. L. or some of us look at NITE X. M. L. in a bit more detail 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 151.41 157.37 and this is how everyone can access it, and then we should be able to go from there. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 129.11 136.29 So I think if today we decide on what data we wanna have now, and and later, maybe even today 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 139.61 145.34 just trying to make some sense of that code and see how does the representation work in their system. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 145.34 151.41 And then sort of with that knowledge we should be able to then say okay, that type of NITE X. M. L. data we wanna load into it,
EN2001a H00 MEE068 156.35 161.4 Has has anyone actually looked at the Java code for the, huh? 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 155.47 156.35 Hmm. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 161.4 161.69 Hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 159.79 160.24 No. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 160.34 160.72 No. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 177.61 181.62 Sort of that would be a reason for staying within their framework and using their general classes. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 196.26 197.57 Like my data is coming c 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 187.1 196.26 Who actually like for this whole discussion I mean, who of us is doing stuff that is happening on-line and who of us is doing stuff that's happening off-line? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 174.88 177.61 So that takes a lot of work away from us. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 181.62 187.1 But beyond that I haven't looked at it at all, which is something we should really do. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 161.57 174.88 I've looked looked at the documentation and n like seen enough to make me think that we want to use the NITE X. M. L. framework because um they have a good a event model that synchronizes sort of the data and and every display element. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 186.8 187.52 Yeah, I think so. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 210.58 210.74 Hmm? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 211.33 214.42 The basic word importance is off-line as well. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 214.42 220.58 The combined measure might not be if we want to wait what the user has typed in into the search. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 213.16 213.63 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 218.42 218.86 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 221 221.49 Okay. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 225.38 227.28 But the actual stuff it's doing will be on-line. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 227.28 232.21 But it won't be very um processor intensive or memory intensive, I don't think. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 222.11 225.38 Uh mine's gonna be mostly using the off-line. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 228.97 229.3 'Kay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 244.71 250.49 so the interface is mainly while it's running just working on data that's just loaded from a file, I guess. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 236.51 244.71 we don't have an extremely high degree of interaction between sort of our modules that create the stuff and and the interface,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 231.74 236.51 So basically apart from the display module, the i the display itself 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 252.25 252.73 There isn't 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 252.27 256.38 Yeah, I I don't know about the search functionality, that might be online. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 256.38 257.5 Depends how it's gonna work. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 253.03 253.5 Hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 269.33 278.25 That means that at least like we don't have the type of situation where somebody has to do like a billion calculations on on data on-line. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 278.25 285.18 'Cause that would make it a lot more like that would mean that our interface for the data would have to be a lot more careful about how it performs and and everything. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 258.36 265.85 Th Yeah, the search is I guess the search is sort of a strange beast anyway because for the search we're leaving the NITE X. M. L. framework. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 285.18 289.68 And nobody is modifying that data at at on-line time at all it seems. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 265.85 269.33 Um but that's still sort of that's good. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 289.68 293.12 Nobody's making any changes to the actual data on-line. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 257.88 258.36 Yeah, I know. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 265.83 266.2 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 294.86 295.52 Don't think so. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 300.29 306.14 which isn't doing much with the data except for sort of selecting a piece piece of it and and displaying it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 297.16 300.29 That basically means our browser really is a viewer mostly 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 295.64 297.16 So that's actually making it a lot easier. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 297.33 297.64 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 310.94 313.58 Are we still gonna go for dumping it into a database? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 313.58 315.6 Are we still gonna dump it into a database? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 313.39 313.58 Hmm? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 318.86 319.83 I'd say so. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 316.12 318.86 Well some parts relevant for the search, yes. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 324.05 325.29 It'll be so much easier. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 320.2 324.05 'Cause if we are, I reckon we should all read our classes out of the database. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 325.83 326.08 Hmm? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 330.15 336.18 we might as well dump all the fields we want into the database, calculate everything from there. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 326.69 330.15 Well if we're gonna dump the part of it into a database anyway,
EN2001a H03 MEE067 341.1 342.02 We can just query it. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 336.18 341.1 Then we don't even have to worry that much about the underlying X. M. L. representation. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 343.38 347.15 Yeah, but nobody of us is doing much of searching from the data in the on-line stage. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 369.68 372.77 And we can just more or less look at their code, like how their player moves forward 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 357.59 369.68 we have the the NITE X. M. L. framework with all its functionality for synchronizing through all the different levels whenever there's a change, whenever something's moving forward and stuff. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 351.21 357.59 I think we are easier if we if it's sitting on the X. M. L. than if it's sitting on the S. Q. L. stuff, because if it's sitting on the X. M. L. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 375.73 384.4 So I think in the actual browser itself I don't wanna sit on the S. Q. L. if we can sit on the X. M. L. because sitting on the X. M. L. we have all we have so much help. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 384.4 392.85 And for y for like the p the calculations that we're doing apart from the search, it seems that everyone needs some special representations anyway. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 372.77 375.73 and how that moving forward is represented in different windows and stuff. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 348.82 351.21 And for all together, like the display itself,
EN2001a H03 MEE067 393.66 398.87 Well if we're gonna do that, we should try and store everything in in an X. M. L. format as well. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 401.65 408.29 Yeah, in in the NITE X. M. L. X. M. L. format, so with their time stamps and stuff, so that it's easy to to tie together st things. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 400.12 401.65 You mean our results? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 401.19 401.52 Yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 406.39 406.85 Yes. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 408.25 408.56 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 432.55 437.79 and then sort of the meeting is the whole thing and the chunks are the individual segments,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 417.11 425.69 like this idea that sort of if you start with a whole meeting series as one entity, as one thing that you display, as one whole sort of,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 411.68 417.11 What I'm like what we have to think about is if we go with this multi-level idea,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 437.79 442.42 that means sort of we have multiple levels of of representation, which we probably 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 425.69 432.55 that then the individual chunks of the individual meetings, whereas and then you can click on a meeting 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 480.09 484.7 Um so in in the meeting se series so that a summary for a meeting within the meeting series, are sort of 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 460.15 461.86 you know what I mean? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 465 472.94 Like for example that like the summary of a meeting within the whole meeting corpus or meeting series y is meeting series a good word for that? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 474.26 480.09 You know what I mean, like not not the whole corpus, but every meeting that has to do with one topic. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 461.86 465 And that's probably stuff that we have to sort of like process twice then. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 447.46 449.87 then we should probably find some abstraction model 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 443.88 447.46 If we if we do it this way like we f we have to discuss that if we do it this way 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 449.87 460.15 so that the interface in the sense like deals with it as if it's same so that the interface doesn't really have to worry whether it's a meeting in the whole meeting series or a segment within a meeting 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 472.94 474.26 I don't really know what how to call it. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 460.98 461.22 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 461.27 461.69 Hmm yes. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 474.82 475 Hmm. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 479.62 480.4 Yeah, that makes sense. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 489.16 493.76 And that is separate from a summary of a segment within a meeting. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 493.76 494.66 'Cause I don't think we can 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 486.61 489.16 compiled off-line by a summary module. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 494.3 496.47 I'm not so sure. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 502.47 509.12 I mean they'll it's not gonna be so big that we can't load in a information density for every utterance. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 509.12 510.79 And we can just summarise based on that. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 494.53 498.89 Well we don't even need to do that, 'cause if we got our information density calculated off-line 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 498.89 502.47 so all we do is treat the whole lot as one massive document. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 511.55 522.34 I I thought we would just have like um one big summary um with all the uh different importance levels um displayed on it. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 522.34 528.45 And depending on what our um zoom level is, we just display a part of it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 530.66 531.52 Are we um 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 529.21 530.66 So are we doing that at all levels? 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 531.82 535.94 And we would have one very big thing off-line. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 535.94 538.59 And from that we would just select what we are displaying. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 538.67 542.09 And just have different like fine-grainedness levels sort of. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 542.85 552.76 So for example you would um give a high value to those um sequences you want to display in the meeting series summary. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 542.04 542.85 Yes. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 552.76 554.08 And you just cut off. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 548.38 548.73 Mm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 552.33 559.66 So the only thing that yeah, so the only thing that would happen basically if I double-click let's say from the whole meeting series on a single meeting 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 561.64 565.66 Like the th the start and the end position changes and the zoom level changes. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 559.66 561.64 is that the zoom level changes. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 551.79 552.33 'Kay. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 568.37 569.03 I thought. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 566.07 568.37 That was what I sh I thought, yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 567.86 569.25 I think you can do it on-line. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 570.41 574 Like I was under the impression that we couldn't do that because we couldn't load the data for all that. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 568.09 570.41 I I thought we couldn't do that. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 576.04 577.23 But I don't know, I mean that 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 578.29 578.58 Hmm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 578.91 587.16 I don't think there's really much point in doing like that when it's just gonna feed off in the end the information density measure basically. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 588.85 594.58 So what you're really doing is sorting a list, is the p computationally hard part of it. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 587.16 588.85 And that's all calculated off-line. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 596.47 598.65 So I'm s not sure if I got it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 598.65 599.03 I was 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 614.97 620.17 And then all you have to do is sort them by j information density. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 623.82 627.46 I don't think it's too slow to do on-line, to be honest. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 620.17 623.82 Like maybe weighted with the search terms, and then extract them. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 606.9 614.97 So what you do is you say if you're looking at a series of meetings, you just say well our whole document comprises of all these stuck together. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 598.84 606.9 Well like the ideas we're calculating are information density all off-line first for every utterance in the whole corpus, right? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 606.22 606.87 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 605.12 606.22 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 613.86 614.12 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 617.88 618.16 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 620.77 621.13 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 622.64 623.35 So 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 626.69 628.09 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 639.25 640.19 How many utterances w 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 628.09 631.02 I wa I was just worried about the total memory complexity of it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 637.96 639.25 But maybe I was just wrong about it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 631.02 637.96 But I I completely admit, I mean, I just sort of like th took that from some thing that Jonathan once said about not loading everything. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 639.26 639.65 Is that 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 645.17 655.45 And that's not so much what he meant with not possibly loading everything was that you m um load all the uh annotation stuff,
EN2001a H01 FEO066 639.64 645.17 But I think the m difference might be that we want just want to have um the words. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 655.45 657.07 all the sound files, all 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 651.85 654.36 Yeah, and I w yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 655.9 656.78 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 654.36 655.9 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 657.63 660.47 So what we have is we would have a word. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 656.78 657.63 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 654.45 654.76 Yeah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 655.47 655.68 Hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 676.27 681.43 Or i are the summaries sort of refined from it and made by a machine to make sentences and stuff? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 681.43 686.48 Or are they just sort of taking out the words with the highest priority and then the words of the second highest priority? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 662.32 665.69 Like we would have words with some priority levels. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 665.69 676.27 And they would basically be because even the selection would would the summaries automatically feed from just how prioritized an individual word or how indiv uh prioritized an individual utterance is? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 685.69 688.29 Well, on the utterance level I was thinking. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 688.29 692.54 So the utterances with the highest like mean information density. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 688.31 689.89 And the u okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 693.95 696.7 Or are we doing it on word level, like the information density calculation? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 692.06 693.95 Are we doing it on th the whole thing on the utterance level? 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 692.34 693.85 In 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 698.83 702.38 you've got no way of getting in and extracting just that word. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 702.38 703.25 I mean it's impossible. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 695.7 698.83 Well the trouble with doing it on the word level is if you want the audio to synch up 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 707.36 709.73 but it m it might s but it might sound crazy in the player. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 709.73 714.72 We should really maybe we can do that together at some point today that we check out how the player works. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 714.72 718.2 But there's maybe some merit in altogether doing it on an utterance level in the end. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 703.9 707.36 We I think we have start and end times for words actually, but it's yeah 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 707.82 708.38 Oh, okay. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 705.89 707.82 For every single word? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 707.16 707.48 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 710.24 710.5 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 715.49 716.4 We'll have to buffer it. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 713.95 715.49 I don't think that will do it. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 730.59 733.42 I mean, do we do both or is it the same thing? 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 715.64 730.59 Um I r I I'm getting quite lost um at the moment because um w what's um our difference between the um se um uh the importance measure and the skimming? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 720.33 720.54 So 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 734.08 736.26 Well the skimming's gonna use the importance. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 736.67 737.08 Yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 737.24 737.63 Okay. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 738.45 740.84 But like at first it's just gonna be I. D. F. . 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 739 745.27 So but when when we talk about summaries you talk about this uh abo about skimming and not about 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 745.02 746.3 Well mostly skimming, yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 746.75 750.85 Well but also about the displays, I mean the displays in the in the text body 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 750.85 755.53 in the in the latest draft that we had sort of we came up with the idea that it isn't displaying utterance for utterance,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 763.7 764.71 Maybe 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 755.53 763.7 but it's also displaying uh a summarised version in you know, like below the below the graph, the part. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 762.51 762.79 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 766.49 766.94 Yeah, r 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 768.99 770.06 Isn't that the skimming? 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 766.8 768.99 Yeah right, isn't that the skimming? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 768.58 768.76 Hmm? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 769.96 774.36 Oh yeah, f it's just like there there's like audio skimming and there's displayed skimming. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 774.27 775.88 Yeah, but it use the same data. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 778.82 785.04 Ma maybe there's some merit of going altogether for utterance level and not even bother to calculate I mean if you have to do it internally 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 785.04 785.49 then you can do it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 785.49 792.71 But maybe like not even store the importance levels for individual words and just sort of rank utterances as a whole. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 777.06 778.82 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 777.43 777.74 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 797.85 800.46 So it will make more sense, and if you get just extract words. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 792.21 795.63 Well the nice thing about that is it will automatically be in sentences. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 795.63 797.85 Well more or less. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 795.68 795.86 Hmm? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 797.24 797.75 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 810.57 811.13 You know what I mean? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 803.3 807.23 And I mean if you if you know how to do it for individual words, then you can just in the worst case,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 799.23 803.3 'Cause it it might be better skimming and less memory required at the same time. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 807.23 810.57 if you can't find anything else, just sort of make the mean of the words over the utterance. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 811.59 816.31 I'm not quite so what it did you want to do it, i you just wanted to assign 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 813.13 814.67 W it's it's 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 816.86 822.48 Well what's the smallest chunk at the moment you're thinking of of assigning an importance measure to, is it a word or is it an utterance? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 822.9 824.36 Uh I thought about words. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 825.1 829.94 So we're thinking of like maybe just storing it on a per utterance level. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 835.71 839.27 And for in the display it's probably better if you have whole utterances than I don't know 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 849.12 853.08 So it doesn't actually make a difference for your algorithm, 'cause it just means that if you're working on a word level 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 839.27 843.74 like what it's like if you just take single words out of utterances. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 832.2 835.71 Because it's it's less stuff to store probably for Dave in the in the audio playing. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 843.74 849.12 That probably doesn't make any sense at all, whereas if you just uh show important utterances but the utterance as a whole it makes more sense. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 853.08 856 then we just mean it over the utterance. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 833.96 834.38 Mm. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 842.15 842.69 Yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 844.33 844.85 A 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 846.5 846.84 Yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 855.29 865.49 And, yeah, I think we also thought about combining that measure with um the measures I get from um s uh hot-spots and so on. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 865.49 870.09 So that would also be on utterance level, I think. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 870.09 870.67 I think. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 855.53 856.12 Mm okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 865.19 865.78 They are on 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 870.75 873.19 Because that makes it a lot easier than to t put it on utterance level. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 869.37 870.75 Oh so that's good anyway then, yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 870.34 870.88 I see it. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 872.5 880.42 But it'll need to be calculated at word level though because otherwise there won't be enough occurrences of the terms to make any meaningful sense. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 882.94 885.8 but it's probably, yeah, you probably have to work on word levels for importance. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 879.94 882.94 No but I mean like how how Jasmine does it internally I don't know,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 879.58 879.94 Oh yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 890.83 891.17 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 885.8 890.83 But there should be ways of easily going from a word level to an utterance level. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 884.15 884.44 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 889.74 892.28 Yeah, I reckon you can just mean it over the sentence. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 891.04 898.75 Yeah, but how about those words which don't carry any meaning at all, the um and uhs and something like that. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 901.06 901.51 Yeah, prob 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 901.3 907.75 Because if we if we average average over over a whole utterance all the words,
EN2001a H02 FEO065 907.75 916.88 and there are quite unimportant words in there, but quite important words as well, I think we should just disregard the the 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 901.92 903.35 I think we should filter them. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 906.58 906.88 Hmm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 925.27 930.49 So anything that has less than say nought point five importance gets assigned to zero. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 917.14 919.99 Maybe we should have like um a cut-off. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 919.99 925.27 So it a w word only gets a value if it's above a certain threshold. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 925.28 925.95 Okay. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 931.05 931.28 Alright. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 931.27 933.49 Well we do a pre-filtering of sort of the whole thing,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 933.49 937.12 sort of like but that, like the problem with that is it's easy to do in the text level. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 937.12 944.46 But that would mean it would still play the uh in your audio, unless we sort of also store what pieces we cut out for the audio. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 933.33 934.4 Yeah, that's the other th 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 939.47 939.84 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 948.79 949.93 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 954.33 958.03 it's probably good for us to look at what the audio player is capable of doing. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 949.93 954.33 I think before we can like answer that specific question how we c deal with that 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 958.21 959.98 I think we'll have to buffer the audio. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 959.98 961.67 But I don't think it will be very hard. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 961.67 963.48 I think it would be like an hour or two's work. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 960.33 960.81 Yes. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 964.47 965.54 So what do you mean by buffering? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 965.54 967.3 Like you think directly feeding 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 966.3 970.45 Like just build an another f wave file essentially. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 970.6 972.37 Yeah, you just concatenate them together. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 971.29 976.81 But yeah, but not but not stored on the hard disk and then loaded in, but loaded in directly from memory. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 971.79 974.14 Yeah, I mean I bet there would be packages 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 982.5 983.99 And just build one in memory. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 977.66 982.5 So just like unp there's bound to be like a media wave object or something like that. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 976.39 977.66 In memory, yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 988.96 989.85 Okay, yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 982.61 988.96 But it's probably a stream if it exists in Java, it would be probably some binary stream going in of some type. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 989.44 992.97 But it must have like classes for dealing with files. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 992.97 997.21 And if it has classes for concatenating files, you can do it in memory. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 987.31 987.77 I don't know. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 987.77 989.44 I have no idea. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 997.21 997.4 So 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 995.86 996.96 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1001.5 1007.41 there's still some merit on within utterances cutting out stuff which clearly isn't relevant at all, and that maybe also for the audio we'd have to do. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1015.36 1016.5 That's okay, that we can do. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 996.96 1001.5 Okay, so I mean so that means that there's probably, even if you go on an per utterance level,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1007.41 1015.36 So let's say we play the whole au phrase, but then in addition to that, we have some information that says minus that part of something. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1026.14 1032.61 and it will just string them all together with maybe, I don't know, tenth of a second silence in between each one or something like that. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1016.6 1026.14 Well what I think I might try and build is basically a class that you just feed it a linked list of um different wave-forms,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1069.16 1071.7 well, the I guess that goes with the utterance, who's speaking. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1032.14 1036.33 Yeah, maybe even I mean that's sort of that depends on how how advanced we get. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1046.13 1049.58 Yeah, if like I d I don't know anything about audio and I have never seen the player. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1040.19 1046.13 you can probably just make some simple simple normalization, but that really depends on how much time we have and and how much is necessary. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1058.48 1069.16 so we we have we load into memory for the whole series of meetings just the utterances and rankings for the utterances and some information probably that says,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1056.45 1058.48 So but that means in the general structure we're actually quite lucky 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1049.58 1056.45 So if you find that the player accepts some n input from memory, and if it's easy to do, then I guess that's that's fairly doable. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1036.33 1040.19 If maybe if we realise that there's massive differences in in gain or in something,
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1041.16 1042.28 Normalise it, yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1072.83 1074.15 Oh yeah, yeah, we'll need that. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1073.32 1074.05 Yes, sure. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1073.53 1075.76 Because then we can also do the display about who's speaking. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1076.21 1079.1 We also really wanna be able to search by who's speaking as well. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1080.2 1080.63 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1092.44 1093.19 On the other hand 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1083.65 1092.44 But I'm I'm still confused 'cause I thought like that's just what Jonathan said we do c that we can't do, like load a massive document of that size. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1092.42 1095.29 It doesn't matter, 'cause all the calculation's done off-line. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1100.14 1105.47 The other hand, I mean it shouldn't be like should be like fifty mega-byte in RAM or something, it shouldn't be massive, should it? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1105.47 1107.64 Actually fifty hundred megabyte is quite big in RAM. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1105.95 1106.27 Hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1115.99 1118.34 Just thinking, what's the simp so 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1128.18 1131.68 So our hope is essentially that we load less into it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1131.68 1134.83 What's this lazy loading thing, somebody explain lazy loading to me. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1120.11 1126.5 We do get an error message with the project if we load everything into the project with all the data they load. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1126.5 1128.18 So we know that doesn't work. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1131.11 1131.48 Yes. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1131.46 1131.77 Yeah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1141.08 1142.22 Like when it's being accessed. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1134.46 1136.26 It just means it loads on demand. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1136.26 1141.08 It only loads when it needs a particular type of file. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1145.81 1150.56 Like if if if the same thing is in different files, would it then maybe like, you know 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1156.33 1160.09 is then a chance maybe that it doesn't try to load them all into memory at the same time, but just 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1150.56 1156.33 if if utterances are split over three or ten or w hundred different files,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1142 1143.33 Ah, okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1143.33 1145.81 So that is that only by type of file. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1160.76 1164.36 Yeah, I think that's the idea, it just loads the particular ones it needs. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1165.07 1167.33 Then it shouldn't ever fail, because then it should never 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1163.4 1165.07 So why does it fail then in the first place? 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1167.5 1170.23 But if you were doing a search over the whole corpus you'd have to load them all. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1169.51 1177.1 Yeah, but yeah, but um it uh it it failed right when you load it, right, the NITE X. M. L. kit, so that's interesting. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1175.4 1176.2 Yes, right. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1179.19 1179.47 Hmm. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1181.3 1184.41 So I define baseline and what it loads? 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1180.82 1181.3 Oops, it does. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1184.41 1197.76 For example it loads all the utterances and so on, but it doesn't load um the discourse acts and for example not the and what's what else there? 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1199.95 1201.72 It only loads those on demand. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1197.76 1199.95 Not the summaries. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1192.47 1192.9 Hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1213.7 1219.92 we can probably just process some sort of meta-data, you know what I mean, like sort of sort of for the whole series 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1209.26 1213.7 So alternatively, if we realise we can't do the whole thing in one go,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1204.44 1205.83 Let's check that out. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1205.83 1209.26 Um I'll p I'll probably ask Jonathan about it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1221.59 1225.74 chunks representing the individual meetings or some 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1242.22 1251.53 so instead of having an single utterance that we display, it would probably be like that would be representing a whole um topic, a segment in a meeting. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1237.54 1242.22 but with data sort of always combined from the whole series. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1227.64 1237.54 Like something that represents the whole series in in a v in a structure very similar to the structure in which we represent individual um meetings 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1253.3 1255.31 And sort of so that wi using the same data st 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1255.01 1262.58 Y you mean that you um basically split up th the big thing into um different summaries. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1262.58 1273.08 For example that you have a very um top-level um summary and a separate file for for each level. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1262.64 1263.33 Well, in a sense 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1272.18 1278.04 Uh I'm I'm thinking of in a sense of like creating a virtual a virtual meeting out of the whole meeting series, sort of. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1278.92 1282.49 You just like create a new X. M. L. document in memory. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1278.33 1278.92 That's easy. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1308.82 1313.46 if you are on a whole document uh a whole series level and that was a double-click,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1319.76 1322.22 That would be an alternative if we can't actually load the whole thing and 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1303.25 1308.82 And in that way we could probably use the same algorithm and just like make vir like one or two ifs that say okay 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1313.46 1319.76 then don't just go into that um segment, but load a new file or something like it, but in general use the same algorithm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1300.26 1303.25 You know, so we just sort of we shift it one level up. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1288.97 1300.26 and treats the individual meetings within the series as if they were segments, and treats the individual segments within meetings as if they were um utterances. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1281.72 1288.97 Yeah, sort of like off-line create a virtual meeting, which which basically treats the meeting series as if it was a meeting,
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1302.56 1302.83 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1322.74 1322.88 Mm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1324.8 1332.36 'Cause also like even if we maybe this whole like maybe I'm worrying too much about the whole series in one thing display 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1332.36 1336.18 because actually I mean probably users wouldn't view that one too often. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1336.18 1343.51 I don't think it's really that much of a problem because if it's too big, what we can do is just well all the off-line stuff doesn't really matter. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1355.32 1360.99 If it scores higher than the ones already in the summary so far, just replace them. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1346.73 1355.32 Like for summarisation, say we wanted a hundred utterances in the summary, just look at the meeting, take the top one hundred utterances in each other meeting. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1360.99 1363.09 And then you only have to process one meeting at a time. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1343.51 1346.73 And all we can do is just process a bit at a time. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1378.25 1384.1 that means you have to through every single utterance in a series of seventy hours of meetings. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1364.53 1365.99 Yeah, but I'm I'm still worried. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1365.99 1372.2 Like for example for the display, if you actually if you want a display uh like for the whole series 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1372.2 1378.25 the information density levels based on and and the f and the only granularity you have is individual utterances 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1383.44 1390.72 Okay, so maybe we should build a b store a mean measure for the segments and meetings as well? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1398.34 1402.09 then maybe we can more or less use the same code and just make a few ifs and stuff. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1396.15 1398.34 like the way how we uh store individual utterances and stuff 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1389.35 1391.02 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1391.02 1396.15 Yeah, and if you make that structurally very similar to the the le like one level down 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1405.44 1409.93 Yeah, so so but still so in in general we're having we're having utterances 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1411.69 1413.14 and they have a score. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1415.41 1419.28 And that's as much as we really need. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1419.28 1424.19 And of cou and they also have a time a time information of course. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1424.19 1424.92 Hmm? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1424.92 1426.85 And a and a s and a speaker information, yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1422.98 1425 And speaker. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1425 1430.72 Speaker and um topic segmenting we'll need as well. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1433 1436.43 And and probably separate to that an information about the different topics like that 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1430.79 1433 Yeah, so an information which topic they're in, yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1432.89 1433.22 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1438.34 1438.66 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1440.18 1441 So 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1442.39 1449 so the skimming can work on that because the skimming just sort of sorts the utterances and puts as many in as it needs 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1448.4 1453.25 Well yeah, and then it'll f preserve the order when it's displayed the 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1455.15 1461.52 Yeah, it'll it'll play them in some order in which they were set because otherwise it's gonna be more entertaining. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1461.52 1462 Um 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1454.23 1455.15 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1454.83 1455 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1457.08 1457.75 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1486.71 1491.39 And then it shifts the whole frame and it alerts every single element of the display and the display updates. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1463.61 1471.14 but that that's enough data for the skimming and the the searching, so what the searching does is the searching leaves the whole framework,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1480.63 1486.71 And then we have to find I'm sure there's some way in in NITE X. M. L. to just say set position to that time mark. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1471.14 1480.63 goes to the S. Q. L. database and gets like basically in the end gets just a time marker for where that is, like that utterance that we are concerned with. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1466.26 1467.11 Yeah, I think so. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1490.28 1490.49 Hmm. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1491.68 1495.21 Yeah, we do not want it in to develop a little tree display as well for multiple results. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1500.18 1502.63 So if in that tree display somebody clicks on something 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1495.94 1497.29 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1497.29 1500.18 That we can ju yeah, but so so if if somethi so yeah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1497.04 1498.64 Yeah, but that'd be quite easy to do. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1503.52 1504.9 You just need to find the time stamp. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1535.69 1537.75 But that we can decide about, but a general sort of 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1516.24 1523.26 alerts the visual display and says we have a new time frame and then they all sort of do their update routines with respect to the current level of zoom. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1535.15 1535.69 that I don't know. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1515.18 1516.24 alerts the text display 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1505.19 1509.46 Yeah, and then you sort of feed the time stamp to and the NITE X. M. L. central manager,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1529.38 1535.15 I don't know, like w if start where the thing was found or if that thing wa was found it's in the middle of the part that we display 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1509.46 1515.18 and that central manager alerts everything that's there, like alerts the skim like the the audio display 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1523.26 1529.38 So how much do they display, and starting position at where the or maybe the mid-position of it,
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1510.24 1510.64 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1545.84 1549.57 it's essentially for all the window handling, it's the same event. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1540.1 1545.84 It's the same thing if like whether you play and it moves forward or whether you jump to a position through search,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1549.57 1556.54 It's only that the event gets triggered by the search routine which sort of push that into NITE X. M. L. and says please go there now. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1549.12 1549.4 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1557.56 1561.86 So we should basically make our own X. M. L. document in memory 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1563.92 1565.85 that everyone's um 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1567.3 1571.62 module changes that, rather than the underlying data. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1571.62 1576.5 And then have that X. M. L. uh NITE X. M. L. document tied to the interface. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1579.37 1580.12 But that stuff's so 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1577.42 1579.37 Why do we have to do it in memory? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1579.86 1581.69 Well, you can make it in a file if you want. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1582.69 1585.02 I mean like the information is coming from off-line. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1597.65 1603.73 So we can just create an additional X. M. L. file which for every utterance like the utterances have I. D. s I presume, some references. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1588.31 1593.39 So we probably we don't even have to change the utterance document,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1593.39 1597.65 right, because the whole way, like the whole beauty of the NITE X. M. L. is that it ties together lots of different files. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1607.22 1613.72 which it's the only information it has that has whatever a number for for the um weight,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1613.72 1619.49 for the information density, and we just tie that to the existing utterances and tie them to the existing speaker changes. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1603.73 1607.22 So we just we tie uh p just a very short X. M. L. file 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1603.4 1603.72 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 1604 1605.26 Yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1604.27 1604.72 Yes. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 1620.71 1622.92 But there is no I. D. for an utterance I think. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 1628.02 1630.92 We for utterances as well. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 1625.41 1628.02 So how do we do that then? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 1622.92 1625.41 It's just for individual words. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1627.52 1629.3 N Uh no no, it's f for 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1633.29 1634.11 Yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1634.11 1634.9 It's for 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1632.56 1633.29 No, you're right. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 1633.84 1636.15 I think it's just for one 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 1638.76 1639.22 word. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 1639.22 1640.32 So we have to 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1638.86 1642.96 Yeah, I think I think those segments for each utterance are split up. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 1643.27 1643.62 Yeah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1644.2 1644.62 Think so. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1663.71 1665.24 It's alm hmm? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1656.96 1663.71 Or un or try to understand how NITE X. M. L. I. D. s work and maybe there's some special route we have to follow when we use these I. D. s. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1646.81 1656.96 Well otherwise we probably have to go over it and like add some integer that we just increment from top to bottom sort of to every utterance as an as an I. D. some type. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1663.46 1665.4 Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's already there. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1666.38 1668.93 The the utterances are numbered. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1665.4 1666.38 Pretty sure that's already there. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1670.49 1673.5 Yeah, the the girl said the utterances themselves are not numbered at the moment. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1674.56 1675.06 Um 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 1674.71 1680 Uh I'm not quite sure, I have only seen that the uh the individual words have got an I. D. . 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1679.87 1680.67 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1678.89 1679.87 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1680.67 1682.85 So I guess that would be solvable if not. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1675.87 1677.27 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1677.27 1678.89 Okay. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 1683.96 1692.41 You always could have a look at the time stamps and then take the ones that uh belong together to form an utterance. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 1683.32 1683.96 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1687.04 1687.4 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1702.75 1704.42 Um you know, the X. M. L. segments. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1693.8 1702.75 No, I I think we would just take the segments that are already that were Yeah, there's um this segments file. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1693.83 1694.14 Sorry? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 1698.21 1701.81 Yeah, if they are already, there's it's easy but it would be possible. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1700.85 1701.11 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1702.98 1703.24 Okay. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 1703.34 1704.9 Uh yeah. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 1704.9 1705.23 Okay. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1704.79 1705.05 Hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1706.72 1708.25 Is that a board marker pen actually? 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1707.49 1707.63 Oh. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1711.24 1712.13 That I don't know. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1712.37 1717.57 That's just so like to make a list of all this stuff, or we probably can somebody can do it on paper. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1711.4 1712.37 Oh. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1711.59 1712.18 Yeah, I think so. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1731.07 1737.26 So for for every utterance sort of like the utterance has a speaker and a weight which is coming from outside. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1737.26 1739.42 Or we just tie it to it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1719.41 1720.87 All these fancy pens. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1720.87 1731.07 So what so the stuff we have we have utterances and speakers and weights for utterances. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1739.42 1744.4 And there is segments, which hmm? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1744.75 1747.54 The segments are utterances, aren't they? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1747.54 1747.77 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1742.75 1744.75 They are utterances, aren't they? 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1745.65 1747.59 Ye that's the impression I get, yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1751.74 1755.28 So so the utterances are tied to topic segments. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1748.69 1750.29 Uh topic s topic segments I meant. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1750.29 1751.74 Like they are they are a super-unit. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1747.36 1748.69 Oh, so sorry um. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1748.2 1749.23 Yeah, that's um 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1750.55 1751.31 Alright, okay. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1751.33 1751.68 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1752.23 1752.42 Oh. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1761.71 1768.8 And if the time stamps are on a word level, then we b somehow have to extract time stamps for utterances where they start. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1768.7 1771.75 There there are time stamps um for, well,
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1771.75 1781.28 segments um and for th um segments is for example when when you look at the data, what is displayed in one line. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1768.92 1769.88 Well, that's easy. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1774.37 1775.78 W what segments now? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1782.71 1783.91 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1783.91 1788.91 Is the uh is that the same as utterances that is that the same as utterances that 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1783.64 1783.86 Hmm. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1783.8 1786.95 What when when you look at it in the hmm? 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1786.1 1786.21 Ye 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1787.21 1787.43 Mm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1789.52 1791.32 Well it's close enough, isn't it? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1791.32 1795.22 It may not be exact every time, but it's a so sort of size we're looking for. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1789.61 1790.96 I think so. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1790.96 1791.29 Isn't 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1791.01 1791.6 Yeah, uh 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1800.27 1806.52 Um and basically it's uh words that are uttered in a sequence without pauses. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1806.52 1816.32 But sometimes um however there are um short pauses in it and they're indicated by square brackets pause or something in the data. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1792.94 1800.27 Um for ex um I I compared it with what I did for the pause um duration extraction. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1799.67 1799.96 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1798.25 1799.67 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1815.65 1819.51 But that's one o one segment or is that two segments then? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1812.52 1815.65 What so that's Oh. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1814.18 1814.35 Right. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1820.55 1826.67 Um someti uh but uh the annotators decided what was one segment and what wasn't. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1823.68 1824.02 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1828.45 1835.74 So but but generally utterances is that which we just called uh sorry, segments is that which we just called utterances now. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1835.74 1840.06 Like it's it's the sa it's sort of like one person's contribution at a time sort of thingy dingy. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1827 1828.24 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1828.24 1828.45 Okay. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1836.07 1837.15 I think so. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1836.32 1836.99 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1840.72 1841.12 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1841.88 1846.92 Okay, so yeah, so we have those, and and then we have some f field somewhere else which has 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1848.69 1849.79 topics. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1850.38 1851.11 Topics, yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1855.4 1859.39 and and the utterances referenced to those topics I guess. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1864.03 1868.27 but they just sort of say a number and where they start and where they finish. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1868.27 1870.36 And the utterances then say which topic they belong to. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1859.39 1864.03 So the topics don't contain any redundant thing of like showing the whole topic again 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1851.19 1855.4 Yeah, and and a topic's basically they are just on the I. D., probably with a start time or something 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1858.96 1859.86 Yeah, I think that's the right one. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1870.8 1871.03 Hmm. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1881.91 1883.84 For example for the dialogue acts and so on. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1870.94 1881.91 Yeah, but um I think for some annotations um an uttera ca utterance can have several um types. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1884.79 1885.09 No. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1885.09 1889.86 But I was thinking of the topic segmentation now and and f for that there would only be one,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1884.57 1884.79 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1889.86 1892 right, because it's sort of like it's just a time window. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1887.19 1888.44 Yeah, that should be for 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1886.55 1887.19 Okay. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1888.04 1888.25 Hmm. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1891.16 1892.39 Yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 1892.39 1892.99 Should be, yeah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 1892.36 1892.62 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1893.88 1894.18 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1904.23 1914.54 So if we just have those sort of that information like a long list of all the utterances slash segments and like short or smaller lists which give weight to them. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1896.02 1904.23 So if this lazy loading works, then this should definitely fit into I mean not memory then because it wouldn't all be in memory at the same time. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1922.97 1929.25 like if if there's a lot of bureaucracy involved with having two different trees and whether one ties to the other because the one has the weight for the other 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1916.15 1922.47 And even though probably if there's a lot of over-head in having two different files, we can probably merge the weights into it off-line. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1929.25 1931.28 then it's probably quicker to just 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1922.47 1922.97 You know what I mean 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1923.49 1923.75 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1934.73 1940.41 Can NITE handle just loading arbitrary uh new like attributes and stuff? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1931.62 1934.73 But why don't we just write it as a new X. M. L. file? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1941.75 1943.54 I mean, I would have thought they'd make it able to. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1944.11 1949.48 I thought that was the whole beauty that like you can just make a new X. M. L. file and sort of tie that to the other and and it tre 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1943.91 1944.11 Yeah 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1944.98 1945.27 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1949.19 1952.21 So why do we need to have two X. M. L. trees in memory at once? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1952.38 1954.13 So no, I didn't I didn't mean tree. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1952.12 1952.38 Oh yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1954.13 1954.63 No. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1954.83 1957.26 I meant just like handling two different files internally. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1957.26 1964.7 Sort of c I was just thinking you know like if if the overhead for having the same amount of data coming from two d files instead of from one file is massive 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1954.63 1954.83 No. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1976.71 1980.58 But that we can figure out I mean if it's going horrendously wrong. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1973.63 1976.71 uh yeah, segments slash utterances already. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1966.21 1973.63 then it would probably be for us easy to just like off-line put the the weight into into the file that has the segments,
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1986.8 1990.01 'Cause their parser is probably much faster than anything we've come up with anyway. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 1980.46 1986.8 The other thing is that would mean we'd be using their parser as well, which means we wouldn't have to parse anything, which be quite nice. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1986.79 1987.07 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2026.02 2028.02 whether that's too many results and whether we shou 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2020.04 2026.02 That we have to check how fast that is, like to say give us all the ones that whether that works with their query language 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1990.29 1991.41 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2005.44 2008.45 So we just we're sort of running different types of queries on it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2008.45 2014.1 We in a sense we I think we are running queries, it's not just about um what we load and what we don't load,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1991.69 2002.07 we'd we'd be completely using like the whole infrastructure and basically just I mean the main difference really between our project and theirs really is that we load a different part of the data. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2002.07 2005.44 But otherwise we're doing it the same way that they are doing it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2014.1 2020.04 but we're l running queries in the sense that we dynamically select by by weights, don't we? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 1991.41 1991.69 Yeah, no 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2026.47 2026.78 Mm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2030.21 2038.76 if 'cause if it i let's say I mean if if their query language is strange and if it would return b ten million results and it can't handle it 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2030.04 2030.21 You know 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2043.34 2050.07 So they still get all the data and just they internally say oh no, this is less than three and I'm not gonna display it or something. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2038.76 2043.34 then we can just write our individual components in the way that they know which what the threshold is. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2054.59 2058.94 We can just process it all in chunks if it gets too big to load it into memory. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2051.06 2054.59 Yeah, I mean we can process it in chunks if it gets too big basically. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2054.17 2054.36 Hmm? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2071.67 2077.42 but every individual module like the player and the display say like they still get sort of all the different utterances,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2063.23 2071.67 whether we do that through a query where we say give us everything that's ab above this and this weight, or whether we skip the same infrastructure 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2077.42 2083.23 uh all the different pieces, but they say oh, this piece I leave out, because it's below the current threshold level. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2057.19 2057.33 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2057.33 2059.16 No. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2059.16 2063.23 I'm just thinking for this whole thing of like a different level, sort of cutting out different different pieces,
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2059.91 2060.09 Hmm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2092.3 2098.19 So like an informan mation density score for each meeting and each topic segment. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2086.16 2092.3 I think we probably want to store um a hierarchical information density as well. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2082.98 2086.16 I think we probably want to store Sorry. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2098.19 2101.44 'Cause otherwise we'd be recalculating the same thing over and over and over again. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2101.65 2103.35 Yeah, that'd be much more efficient to do that. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2103.35 2103.58 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2102.88 2103.21 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2104.98 2108.48 And that will obviously make it much easier to display. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2108.64 2110.42 When do we need the one for the meet 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2111.44 2113.55 Well it may not for the whole meeting, but like 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2117.92 2123.98 Then if we have for the individual topic segments within the meetings if we have ready calculated disp um measures 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2131.46 2144.54 are we extracting some type of title for them that we craft with some fancy algorithm or manually or we're just taking the single most highly valued key-word utterance for the segment heading? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2113.19 2114.1 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2130.69 2131.46 For the segments 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2127.3 2130.69 Yeah, and that's also fairly easy to store along with our segments, isn't it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2123.98 2127.3 then we don't have to sort of extract that data from the individual utterances. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2114.1 2117.92 Yeah, I guess for the so when we have the display, will we display the whole series. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2125.94 2127.08 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2130.42 2130.69 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2144.53 2145.67 Well, we can start off 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2147.69 2148.15 like that. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2148.15 2153.46 Well I was gonna start off I've v got sort of half-way through implementing one that does just I. D. F. . 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2153.69 2154 Hmm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2155.09 2158.63 And then just I can change that to work on whatever. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2158.98 2171.92 It's probably like in in the end probably it wouldn't be the best thing if it's just the high most highly ranked phrase or key-word because like for example for an introduction that would most definitely not be anything that has any title anywhere similar to introduction or something. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2158.05 2158.98 Hmm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2169.54 2169.88 Yeah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2169.56 2169.88 Hmm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2171.38 2177.56 And it should be weighted by stuff like the hot spots and um the key-words in the search and stuff like that. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2176.55 2177.14 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2199.8 2202.67 'Cause you'd probably be quite likely if they're talking about a conference or a person 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2194.55 2199.8 just take a named entity which has a really high, what's it called, D. F. I. D. F., whatever. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2189.58 2194.55 and just like at least for the for sort of for finding topics, titles for for segments,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2184.66 2189.58 if I mean w if one of the people doing DIL has some named entity code to spare,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2179.42 2184.66 Also like for this part, maybe if we go over it with named entity in the end 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2202.67 2207.85 that that would be a named entity which is very highly fr um frequented in that part. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2188.06 2188.16 Hmm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2207.6 2209.58 Did he not say something about named entities? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2209.58 2211.63 So I thought he said there wasn't very many. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2211.64 2212.94 Yeah, he said they're quite sparse. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2225.65 2230.33 Like if there's some name of some conference, they would could probably say that name of the conference quite often 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2212.94 2217.19 So that basically was don't bother basing too much of your general calculation on it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2234.75 2236.07 Anyway Sorry? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2217.19 2225.65 But like especially if they're sparse, probably individual named entities which describe what a what a segment is about would probably be quite good. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2230.33 2234.75 even though he's right that they make indirect references to it. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2213 2213.44 Yeah. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2240.46 2243 What exactly are you computing? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2234.77 2240.46 You s uh you said you are currently in uh implementing the idea. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2246.51 2249.42 'Cause it's really easy to do basically. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2241.94 2246.51 It's not T. F. I. D. F., it's just inverse document frequency. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2249.42 2251.15 There's just like for a baseline really. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2240.48 2241.94 Yeah. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2244.66 2245.26 Okay. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2248.36 2248.75 Okay. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2251.36 2251.69 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2252.6 2253.92 Yeah, you're able to do that in Java, yeah? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2254.42 2255.67 Well, I'm half-way through. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2255.67 2257.61 It's not working yet, but it will do. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2255.73 2255.96 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2259.83 2261.81 So you're doing that on a on a per word level. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2262.5 2264.29 Um yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2264.29 2266.4 And then averaging it over the utterances. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2263.84 2264.32 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2266.48 2266.98 Okay. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2267.85 2270.73 But it's not like um related to the corpus at all. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2270.73 2274.35 It's just working on an arbitrary text file at the moment. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2275.46 2277.44 I was just wondering where you had the corpus from at the moment. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2274.46 2275.46 Okay, cool. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2277.57 2277.86 No. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2278.06 2278.17 Huh. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2295.73 2303.81 but it's just done off-line and everyone can ha represent it anyway they want as long as they sort of store it in a useful X. M. L. representation in the end. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2282.34 2295.73 So it it seems that the data structure isn't a big problem and that basically we don't have to have all these massive discussions of how we exactly interact with the data structure because most of our work isn't done with that data structure in memory in the browser 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2303.81 2305.37 So like 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2305.09 2309.69 It would be useful to know how everyone's gonna store their things though. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2311.17 2311.48 Hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2323.42 2326.37 take a closer look at NITE X. M. L. . 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2312.58 2317.35 Yeah, that would mean understanding the NITE X. M. L. X. M. L. sort of format in a lot more detail. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2317.35 2323.42 We should I think we should just have a long session in the computer room together and like now that we know a bit more what we want 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2315.51 2315.88 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2328.46 2329.36 Like after this. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2325.62 2328.46 Well I've got like a few hours free. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2324.66 2325.62 Yeah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2333.92 2339.21 And then yeah, th those are few per meeting, and it um well 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2339.21 2344.25 it gives a time stamp and inside each one there's uh the actual like utterance segments. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2328.29 2333.92 Yeah, I've had a b I've had a look at the the topic segments, how it's stored. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2332.38 2332.67 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2344.58 2344.94 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2345.35 2346.92 And the list of them that occurred. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2346.92 2347.73 And they're all numbered. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2349.21 2350.76 Um so that's where that's stored. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2356.19 2358.04 Yeah, I haven't looked at this stuff much at all. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2355.25 2356.19 Good. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2358.52 2369.21 so I guess um if I'm gonna be segmenting it with a L. C. seg then that's like same format I'd want to um put it back out in so it'd be equivalent. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2358.32 2358.52 Yeah 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2362.16 2362.51 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2365.54 2365.91 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2379.98 2380.46 Like 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2371.81 2379.98 Who's who's sort of doing the the the central coordination of of of the browser application now? 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2380.71 2382.38 Well, like the integration. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2382.38 2383.35 What do you mean, integration? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2382.02 2382.21 Hmm? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2383.56 2389.89 Yeah, or but also like all these elements like like the loading and, yeah, integration and and like handling the data loading and stuff. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2387.76 2388.23 Hmm. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2391.75 2393.71 I don't think anyone's been allocated to do that yet. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2391.48 2391.75 I don't know. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2394.96 2402.15 I'm sort of like I think I'll take over the display, just because I've started with a bit and found it found it doable. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2394.14 2394.96 Nah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2400.98 2401.36 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2403.25 2403.8 Yeah, definitely. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2416.5 2420.21 like with the with the browser as a whole and where the data comes in and 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2407.35 2416.5 So somebody should sort of be the one person who's who understands most about what's t centrally going on with with the with the project 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2420.21 2421.11 Hmm, yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2425.37 2426.25 Any volunteers? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2428.69 2430.09 It's the most boring task. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2430.03 2430.46 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2430.61 2431.98 It's also a complicated one. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2431.62 2433.32 Yeah, it c could be difficult, yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2431.71 2432.17 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2433.76 2434.23 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2439.96 2447.21 it's probably just those people have to work together a lot and very closely and just make sure that they're always f understand what the other one is doing. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2436.38 2439.96 I know but uh b I guess we can do it like several people together 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2447.6 2447.94 Yeah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2449.19 2453.71 Well I guess the important thing is to get the crucial m modules built. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2454.29 2457.27 Or at least um simple versions of them. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2455.05 2456.04 Ye yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2457.51 2460.38 Yeah, or or ready-made versions of them for that matter and 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2457.6 2458.44 Yeah, and then 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2460.67 2465.84 Yeah, and then we'll maybe have to prioritize somebody into just integrating it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2487.12 2488.31 'Cause before we have that 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2500.42 2504.07 but it would be nice to have some basic system which just displays some stuff. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2477.79 2482.89 because that's sort of the whole thing about having a prototype system which is more or less working on on chunk data. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2482.89 2487.12 But it at least we have the framework in which we can then test everything and and look at everything. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2468.56 2473.88 Yeah, but I think actually like at the moment the integration comes first, I mean it's sort of at the moment the building the browser comes first 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2488.31 2500.42 it's gonna be very difficult for anyone to really see how much the work that they're doing is making sense because you just well I guess you can see something from the data that you have in your individual X. M. L. s files files that you create 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2473.88 2477.79 and then only comes the creating new sophisticated data chunks 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2505 2509.62 So maybe we should try doing something really simple, like just displaying a whole meeting. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2510.87 2513.85 And like just being able to scroll through it or something like that. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2514.75 2520.56 Or just adapt like their like just sort of go from their system and and adapt that piece for piece and see how we could 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2516.04 2516.51 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2522.48 2524.8 how we could arran like adapt it to our 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2526.08 2526.63 system. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2531.06 2536.37 Does anyone want to like just sit with me and like play for three hours with NITE X. M. L. at some point? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2537.81 2539.04 Are you free after this? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2544.38 2545.44 I'm theoretically free. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2545.44 2547.51 But if there's any time t hmm? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2541.35 2544.38 Uh I wouldn't like to be 'cause I'd like to go to the gym. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2547.23 2548.35 'Cause I'm off all Friday. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2546.05 2547.23 How about Friday then. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2550.37 2552.33 You have nothing no free time on Wednesday. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2552.66 2555.51 Uh Wednesday I've got a nine 'til twelve. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2558.07 2558.44 Hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2559.63 2561.71 Nine 'til twelve and then nothi you have or you 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2561.21 2563.21 Yeah, nothing in the afternoon. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2564.73 2564.89 So 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2563.21 2564.73 I've got nothing in the afternoon. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2562.89 2563.01 Hmm? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2565.06 2567.04 Anytime Wednesday afternoon I'd be cool, I think. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2566.55 2567.19 Okay. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2567.19 2568.03 So you ha yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2570.84 2572.28 Where about, just in Appleton Tower? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2573.27 2576.64 Yo, Forrest Hill, whatever one's easier to discuss stuff, I don't know. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2576.71 2580.02 Uh I'll be in um the Appleton Tower anyway. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2578.34 2579.02 I'm not biased. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2580.96 2581.82 What time do you wanna do? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2580.28 2580.96 Okay. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2582.34 2585.65 Um well I'll be there from twelve. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2591.3 2591.44 So 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2585.65 2591.3 I've got some other stuff that needs done on Matlab, so if you're not there at twelve, I can just work on that. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2590.5 2593.39 Okay, so I'll just meet you in in eighteen a in the afternoon. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2592.87 2593.29 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2626.13 2627.3 So it's not that crucial. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2619.75 2626.13 And I can even do the display to a vast degree without actually having their supplying framework working. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2615.21 2619.75 Like at the moment you can all do your stuff and I can do my L. S. A. stuff. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2608.92 2615.21 I guess at the moment nobody critically depends on like the NITE X. M. L. stuff working right now, right? 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2617.16 2617.42 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2627.6 2628.2 Yeah, I think so. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2639.72 2641.45 And then yeah. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2627.85 2639.72 Yeah, I w I w I would need the raw text pretty soon because I have to find out um how I have to put the segments into bins. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2640.78 2645.86 Yeah, but I was I was I was more thinking of the sort of the the whole browser framework as a running programme now. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2645.86 2649.85 Yeah, I think we all need the raw text in different in different flavours, don't we? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2639.29 2640.78 Yeah, actually I need the raw text as well. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2641.32 2641.61 Uh yeah. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2644.41 2646.33 No, that's not necessary. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2650.47 2654.92 Jasmine, I thought you just said that you'd uh looked at extracting the text. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2649.97 2650.47 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2649.27 2649.97 Hmm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2650.27 2650.71 Why w 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2656.29 2659.1 But um I've only just got the notes. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2659.1 2665.03 I have to still have uh to order everything by the time and 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2654.98 2656.29 Yes, I did. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2664.28 2666.69 So you you said you did it in Python, yeah? 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2663.49 2664.28 Yeah. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2667.14 2669.35 Yeah, I think it's quite easy after the 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2674.36 2676.35 So um 'cause, yeah 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2683.54 2686.47 So did did you have to combine them all and and then re-order them? 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2676.35 2683.54 I was having a look in it a look at it as well and I noticed the um the speakers are all in that separate file? 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2672.79 2674.36 Yeah, sounds pretty good. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2668.79 2672.3 Yeah, did you use uh b the X. L. uh X. M. L. parser in Python? 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2672.3 2672.79 Right. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2672.19 2672.67 Yeah. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2671.37 2672.19 Yeah. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2673.76 2674.33 So uh 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2678.73 2678.98 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2686.71 2689.66 Yeah, b I uh w that's what I was uh thought. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2689.66 2693.91 That you just combine them and then order the time stamps accordingly. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2689.73 2690.02 Yeah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2691.31 2691.81 Ye yeah, c 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2697.49 2699.66 So yeah, we may as well collaborate. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2693.03 2694.14 Right. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2694.14 2697.49 Yeah, so that's approach um well, I was going to do. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2699.91 2701.15 Okay. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2701.15 2708.37 Um what I found out was that there are quite a lot of things without without s time stamps in the beginning. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2708.61 2709.28 In the word files? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2709.98 2712.24 Yeah, and uh X. M. L. files. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2714.64 2715.54 Just numbers. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2712.24 2714.27 Yeah, that's just an I. D. or something. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2714.27 2714.64 I don't know. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 2710.77 2712.13 Yes, but that's 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 2714.34 2717.66 Yeah, everything that's a word has a sti time stamp. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2726.71 2727.29 What is that? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2718.67 2723.05 Yes, but what are the other things that's uh some kind of number? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2723.05 2726.71 F maybe the file number or something that is in the beginning. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2728.79 2730.41 I'm not sure I what you mean. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2728.92 2729.58 Do you know? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2730.79 2736.29 Um I think there are quite a lot of numbers in the beginning where n there is no time stamp for the numbers. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2737.75 2737.99 It's 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2744.76 2745.2 Was it 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2739.89 2744.76 Think they say um quite a lot of numbers and before that, uh um there's this number. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2745.12 2747.07 But number within the X. M. L. context. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2747.28 2753.13 Yeah, there i are numbers in the um the W. tag, but there are no time stamps. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2757.71 2759.31 There's the number task, isn't there. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2759.31 2760.84 That's part of the whole thing. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2755.12 2757.71 Like do they look like they're utterances numbers? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2760.84 2760.99 Hmm? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2753.84 2755.12 Are they spoken numbers? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2756.88 2757.4 Yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 2761.42 2763.53 That's at the end, I think, her time. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 2759.5 2761.42 That's at the end. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2762.53 2763.06 Okay. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2766.1 2767.56 At least I saw some. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2763.03 2766.1 Yeah, in the beginning as well sometimes, I think. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2765.68 2766.03 Oh right. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 2766.96 2767.92 Yeah, maybe. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2769.33 2772.32 Yeah, we have to probably cut that out anyway for our project, I don't know. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2772.32 2775.78 It's probably gonna screw up a lot of our data otherwise. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2775.78 2789.77 If Not sure if it what it does to document It would probably make the yeah, if if you have segments for that, probably the 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2768.47 2769.33 Hmm. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 2769.24 2770.47 Didn't have a look at our meetings. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2769.33 2769.7 Yeah. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2775.29 2775.56 Yeah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2776.36 2776.58 Hmm. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 2785.07 2785.95 So 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 2776.56 2785.07 Uh I I think it wouldn't as it occurs I mean it would be it occurs in every meeting. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 2789.35 2794.26 And I think it even has uh its own annotation, like digits or something. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 2794.26 2797.56 So that should be really easy to cut out. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2796.42 2800.12 Uh I'm just thinking like it pro it pro probably like the L. S. A. would perform quite well on it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2810.77 2810.98 Hmm? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2807.97 2810.77 So that wou ten word. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2794.31 2796.42 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2800.12 2807.97 It would probably find another number task quite easily seeing that it's a constrained vocabulary with a high co-occurrence of the same nine words. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 2802.28 2803.87 Yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 2803.87 2806.36 I'm sure. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2808.36 2810.81 But what it is it actually that numbers? 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 2810.97 2812.96 Ah it's just to test the system, I think. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2813.13 2813.65 Yeah. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2817.56 2818.82 It's it's quite strange. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2813.41 2817.56 Okay, so but there are no time stamps annotated to that. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 2814.19 2814.31 So 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2816.7 2819.73 I think it's also something that they they said the numbers in order, right? 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 2821.05 2823.73 Mm they have to read numbers from 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2839.9 2843.2 They must have been pissed off saying like numbers at the end of every meeting. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2834.46 2835.87 Anyway. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2835.87 2839.9 ICSI has some reasons for doing it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2823.29 2828.61 Yeah, I think it's it the it sounded like they wanted to check out how well they were doing with overlapping and stuff,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2828.61 2834.46 because basically it's like they're reading them at different speeds, but you know in which order they are said. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 2835.66 2837.28 So 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 2834.43 2835.66 Uh I didn't have a look at that. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2838.26 2838.42 Hmm. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2844.45 2850.42 And also um there are different um combinations of letters. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2852.31 2858.58 Is it everything ordered are the time stamps global or uh are they local at any point? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2850.42 2852.31 B. R. E. and something like that. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 2859.11 2861.95 Mm I thought they were local to th a particular meeting. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 2859.92 2860.18 They 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2862.65 2863.03 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2872.85 2876.02 uh you need some dictionary for that at some point though,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2887.6 2890.18 Yeah, so we should work together on that, because I need a dictionary as well. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2876.02 2884.8 like you need to have some representation of a word as not not that specific occurrence of that word token, but of of of a given word form. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2884.8 2887.6 Because you're making counts for word forms, right? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2862.89 2872.85 Um Dave, if you would or actually for well, if you're doing I. D. F. s or you whatever you call your your frequencies, I always mix up the name 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2885.1 2885.8 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2885.8 2887.24 I'm just building a dictionary. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2901.8 2903.68 Just something to get give me something to work with. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2897.25 2901.8 It's just like bef until the information density is up and running. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2890.34 2894.96 Oh, mine's just gonna use the um hash map one in um Java. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2894.96 2897.25 'Cause I'm only gonna do it on small documents. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2896.83 2897.12 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2900.21 2900.39 'Kay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2904.69 2906.42 Didn't you say that the o the ord 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2904.2 2904.69 Okay. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2905.84 2909.03 So it's only gonna use quite small documents, you see, to start with. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2912.26 2918.67 Does somebody wo who was it of you two who said that um there's some programme which spits out a dictionary probably with frequencies? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2909.69 2912.26 Yeah, but for I'm just wondering for the whole thing. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2923.65 2923.85 But 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2919.51 2923.65 It's um I think it's just the dictionary in the first place. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2918.23 2919.51 Yeah, it's Rainbow. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2933.96 2936.63 Like over the whole corpus sort of. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2925.54 2933.96 Is anyone of you for the for the document frequency over total frequency, you gonna have total frequencies of words then with that, right? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2924.45 2925.54 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2936.63 2936.88 Or 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2935.89 2943.73 Um no, I have to bin it up and so I will only have counts for each each bin or something. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2944.03 2947.36 Why does it need to be classified into like different segments? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2956.59 2957.6 That's the problem. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2951.05 2956.59 And I think it's not possible to have just one class. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2947.73 2951.05 It's because um Rainbow is a text classification system. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2957.6 2961.13 Can we just fill a second class with junk that we don't care about? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2961.25 2962.49 Maybe we could 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2963.53 2966.03 Like, I don't know, copies of Shakespeare or something. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2965.8 2969.37 Yeah sure, you sure, we could do that, but I don't that makes sense. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2969.55 2975.45 'Cause if what we're looking for is the um frequency statistics, I don't see how that would be changed by the classification. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2978.12 2986.77 If we need just frequencies, maybe we should just calculate them by using Perl or something. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2986.77 2987.18 I don't know. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2984.86 2985.58 I the 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2988.28 2990.12 Well there maybe another tool available? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2991.38 2996.56 Yeah, it's quite easy to just count and s or sort them by um frequency. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 2994.44 2994.75 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 2997.16 2998.78 W using which tool are you talking about? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 2998.61 3000.69 Just using a Perl script. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3021.53 3025.34 So generally dictionaries can grow bigger then you think they do. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3015.31 3017.27 And also any number as a word type of its own. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3002.38 3011.07 Like my experience with the British National Corpus was that there's far more word types than you ever think because anything that's sort of unusual generally is a new word type. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3011.07 3015.31 Like any typo or any strange thing where they put two words together. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3001.38 3002.38 Be careful with that. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3017.27 3021.53 So you can easily end up with hundred thousands of words when you didn't expect them. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 3005.49 3006.25 Is it too big? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 3010.52 3011.1 Yeah. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 3019.58 3020.02 Hmm. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 3026.14 3030.46 I don't know how you how many terms you can handle in Perl. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3040.05 3044.68 then skip it because it's probably something with a dot in between, which is usually not something you wanna have and 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3030.57 3037.35 Well you can probably also you can probably pre-filter like with regular expressions even just say if it consists of only dig digits, then skip it 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3037.35 3040.05 or even if it consists any special characters,
EN2001a H02 FEO065 3037.74 3038.08 Mm yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3048.3 3049.47 Might be WordNet. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3049.47 3061.37 But one of these big corpuses has a list of stop words that you can download and they're just basically lists of really uninteresting boring words that we could filter out before we do that. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3045.6 3048.3 Um I can't remember who's got it. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3064.57 3066.61 It's like that's one the papers I read 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3066.61 3075.13 that's um one things they did right at the beginning is they've got this big s stop-list and they just ignore all of those throughout the experiment. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3074.31 3082.48 What I did, for my project I just ignored the hundred most frequent words, because they actually end up all being articles and and everything and stuff. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3086.73 3090.19 So we need like several of us need a dictionary. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3090.19 3092.09 Am I the only one who needs it with frequencies? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3091.09 3093.72 Yeah, I it would be useful for me as well. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3096.06 3096.29 Or 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3094.21 3096.06 Am I the only one who needs it with frequencies? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3100.59 3100.95 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3097.1 3100.59 It uh I think that'd be useful for me as well. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3113.88 3116.26 So even if it goes wrong and even if it has a million words be 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3112.94 3113.88 You can write it on beefy. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3101.61 3103.37 Well I guess as soon as we have the raw text 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3101.3 3101.61 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3108.12 3112.94 I mean we can probably on a machine with a few hundred megabyte RAM you can go quite far. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3103.37 3108.12 we can probably just start with the Java hash map and like just hash map over it and see how far we get. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3099.72 3101.3 Frequencies. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3105.95 3106.31 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3115.47 3121.68 Well all you really wanna do is look into getting some sub-set of the ICSI corpus off the DICE machines. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3123.09 3123.79 It's awful. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3121.68 3123.09 'Cause I hate working on DICE. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3125.51 3127.28 Like so I can use my home machine. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3128.11 3133.58 Oh yeah, burning it on a like we should be able to burn the whole corpus, just the X. hmm? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3148.78 3150.37 I think he's talking about sort of the ones that 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3133.58 3136.59 Ah I see, I asked support about that two days ago. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3136.59 3145.74 In the Informatics building there oh sorry, in in Appleton Tower five the ones closest t two machines closest to the support office. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3145.74 3148.78 So I presume oh wait, I have the exact email. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3132.83 3133.99 has a C. D. burner. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3130 3132.83 ha has a C. D. burner though. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3149.36 3150.52 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3150.52 3152.2 The right-hand corner, far right. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3155.31 3159.75 Um the thing is like you can only burn from the local file-system. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3159.75 3163.49 So if it's from s well actually I think if it's mounted, you can directly burn from there 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3168.69 3169.77 But you can burn it from there. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3151.88 3155.31 Yeah, if you if you enter the big room, in the right-hand corner, I think. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3163.49 3168.69 but the problem is I have my data on beefy and so I have to get it into the local temp directory and burn it from there. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3154.3 3154.62 Yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3154.34 3154.59 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3170.27 3172.38 How big is it without um 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3174.13 3177.52 Uh we looked that up and I for we looked that up and I forgot. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3174.52 3176.7 the WAV files and stuff? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3178.12 3183.69 'Cause I could just say at um going over S. C. P. one night and just leave it going all night if I had to. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3185.9 3186.31 Yeah yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3186.31 3191.67 No, you you we should be able to get it at I don't think it was I don't think it was a gigabyte. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3192.9 3198.15 It's yeah, I mean the wave data are obviously not gonna get off there completely. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3193.64 3194.22 Hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3202.23 3207.15 But you know what I figured out, I'm quicker down-loading over broad-band into my computer than using this hard disk. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3197.54 3202.23 See I would off I would offer you to to get it on this one, and then um like copy it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3207.15 3212.84 There's something strange about the way how they access the hard disk, how they mount it, which is unfortunate. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3205.83 3206.7 Really? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3206.7 3207.2 Oh right? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3214.76 3217.05 I'll see if I can S. C. P. it, I suppose. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3219.36 3220.7 What operating system do you have? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3218.64 3219.36 Hmm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3220.97 3223.45 I've got a Linux box and a Windows box. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3223.45 3223.86 So 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3223.53 3224.94 Wh what connection do you have at home? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3223.04 3223.53 Okay. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3225.56 3226.04 Broad-band. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3226.81 3227.17 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3227.17 3231.64 So if anyone of us gets it, we can then just use an ext hmm? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3231.64 3234.86 Yeah, burn it to C. D. or, yeah, put it on on hard disk, whatever. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3230.99 3233.1 I can if I get down I can put to C. D. . 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3229.32 3230.99 Put it on to C. D. . 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3234.71 3235.05 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3244.97 3247.59 So if you could compress it and just put it into a temp directory. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3236.53 3241.55 Question is if you're not quicker if you uh because you should get massive compression out of that. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3247.59 3247.82 Like 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3241.55 3244.97 Like fifty percent or something with a good algorithm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3249.44 3250.9 Is how much do we get? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3247.17 3249.44 I'm not sure if there's enough space. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3259.55 3261.8 And I think the temps usually have. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3255.65 3259.55 I do like I mean there's not guarantee that anything stays there, but overnight it'll stay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3249.85 3254.87 The temp the temps usually have for gigabyte three or two. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3254.87 3255.65 The temps, yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3254.02 3254.96 Really? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3254.96 3255.59 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3266.18 3272.36 Ah yeah, but that would have to be the temp directory off the machine you can S. S. H. into directory of S. S. H. . 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3272.48 3274.83 Yeah, but I can do it from that session, can't I? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3274.83 3279.43 You can compress it from a remote session and S. C. P. it from the same session? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3282.48 3285.4 Yeah, they wou they'd they'd probably hate you for doing it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3285.4 3285.99 But 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3289.81 3299.34 They'd probably they'd like you more if you S. S. H. uh into another computer, compress it there and then sort of copy it into the into the gateway machine. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3300.26 3300.74 Do you think? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3301.5 3302.97 They have um if you S. S. hey, you know 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3302.97 3307.18 if you if you S. S. H. and they have this big warning about doing nothing at all in the gateway machine. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3306.89 3312.8 Oh no no, I was thinking of SSHing just into some machine and then just SCPing it from there. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3305.85 3306.89 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3310.36 3310.63 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3315.86 3316.77 To your home machine. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3317.51 3319.03 I mean it has to go through the gateway. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3319.03 3319.17 But 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3317.13 3317.51 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3322.61 3325.12 It's not it's not easy definitely. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3325.12 3328.84 That's why I end up sort of copying stuff into the temp directory at the gateway machine. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3328.84 3330.34 Sorry if this is boring everybody else. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3330.34 3337.02 This is just details and how to get stuff home from what we can probably just look at that together when we're meeting. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3318.49 3322.61 I haven't I haven't figured out how to tunnel through the gateway into another machine yet. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3321.34 3322.2 Can you not do that? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3328.32 3328.94 Mm, I see. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3334.44 3335.87 Uh th yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3336.22 3336.56 Yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3368.78 3376.67 and um then in the chunks of text I found looking for word patterns and so on. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3358.43 3368.78 Because I um I in my outline I talked about um using the um discourse acts first 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3338.26 3338.57 'Kay. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3384.86 3389.9 So if you cut off all that, I'd won't be use or 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3338.57 3349.62 Um I just um wondered, so who's uh then doing um the frequencies on on the words 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3349.62 3358.43 because I'm I think I will also um I could also make use of it um for the agreement and disagreement thing. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3376.67 3384.86 So um I would for example need the um most freq um frequent words. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3361.5 3361.86 I'm sorry. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3368.03 3368.35 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3384.79 3386.28 Well yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3388.85 3393.98 As soon as somebody gives me the raw text of the whole thing 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3393.98 3399.33 I can probably just implement like a five line Java hash table frequency dictionary builder and see 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3401.74 3402.15 I would 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3399.1 3401.74 Yeah, I I but I need it for my chunks then. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3403.51 3403.84 You know? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3403.81 3406.8 Oh, did you not say frequencies f of words in the whole sorry, did uh 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3418.96 3420.34 So I wouldn't need it. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3420.34 3424.01 It it would have to be re-calculated only for my segments. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3406.6 3418.96 Yeah, but I'd uh I would like to look at the frequency of words in my um in the regions of text I found out to be interesting. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3419.14 3419.71 So you could just 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3419.97 3420.89 So you'd you 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3422.64 3424.53 Yeah, you'd have to count it yourself, yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3425.03 3427.56 But th first, uh how big are the chunks? 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3428.85 3429.05 Huh? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3429.17 3430.95 How big are the chunks you're looking at? 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3431.35 3433.75 Uh uh mm. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3433.75 3443.31 I think it would be, you know, l as as big at as the hot-spot annotation things. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3443.31 3445.81 That's quite small, yeah, that's some utterances. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3444.21 3449.7 So you could just um you could use just the same thing we used to build the big dictionary. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3460.83 3461.05 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3457.08 3460.83 I mean just use the same tool that we use. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3442.13 3444.21 So quite small then. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3449.7 3457.08 You just do that on-line 'cause that won't take long to build a little dictionary that big, will it. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 3446.81 3446.98 Hmm. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3461.39 3469.04 So I would probably just concatenate all my um text chunks and then let's say m I will run over it. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3459.87 3460.37 Yes. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3460.37 3461.39 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3464.87 3465.21 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3487.77 3493.06 So how far are we g uh how f how far are you getting raw text out of it do you think? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3476.72 3485.99 so once I write an ar like w if I write like an algorithm which does a hash um table dictionary with frequency from a raw text 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3485.99 3487.77 then the raw text can be anything. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3469.4 3475.79 Oh, you don't wanna have different counts for each chunk, but just like sort of for for something from old chunks. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3475.79 3476.72 Oh yeah, no, that's yeah 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3475.13 3475.54 Yes. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 3497.21 3497.49 So 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 3493.64 3497.21 Uh I can get all the raw text, but it has to be ordered still. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3502.11 3509.03 So yeah, so um I'll get that from you and I'll write the hash table which goes over that and creates a dictionary file. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3498.58 3502.11 Okay, well that's good, because for the dictionary the order doesn't make a difference, does it? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3516.56 3517.41 I mean I guess we can 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3509.03 3513.32 So for the dictionary, is it okay if I do, whatever, word blank frequency or something? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3513.32 3516.56 Just p could everybody sort of start from that? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3500.9 3502.12 It doesn't need ordered, no. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 3502.32 3502.97 No, it isn't. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3516.67 3522.74 Um well that's the t are you using T. F. I. D. F. for the information density? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 3523.39 3530.97 Um it's in what is implemented in Rainbow is information gain, and I'm not quite sure how they calculate that. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3528.45 3529.39 Alright, okay. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3537.7 3547.92 But um depending on the context, the size, and what we consider a document in the sense of calculating T. F. I. D. F. is gonna change. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3532.42 3537.7 Like 'cause frequency would be useful, I think. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3537.11 3539.09 Yeah, I I need frequency as well. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 3537.2 3537.62 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3550.46 3552.19 Which might need thinking about. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3560.05 3563.29 uh within a a segment actually, within a topic segment. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3552.63 3560.05 Well I think we might have a lot in common what we calculate because I for my latent semantic analysis need like counts of words within a document,
EN2001a H02 FEO065 3563.4 3564.61 Uh that's what Rainbow does. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 3564.61 3570.77 I think you j can just get probabilities for a certain words for each document. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 3572.06 3572.52 Certain 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3572.13 3574.46 Can I convert these probabilities back into frequencies? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 3575.35 3578.9 Um we would have to look at that. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3578.97 3579.56 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3594.13 3594.76 Um 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3585.08 3588.24 Like it builds a f a document by frequency matrix. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3588.24 3589.08 So I could probably get that. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3592.02 3592.56 No, don't bother. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3589.08 3592.02 Even though but I already have I already have my code to build it up myself. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3582.36 3585.08 Oh, so that's what f Rainbow does, because that's what L. S. A. builds on. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3592.56 3594.13 I have my code already. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 3585.58 3586.02 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 3587.79 3588.1 Oh. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3596.75 3602.77 Yeah, so Dave, you said you need the frequency counts actually for per document, would you say, not for the whole thing? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3599.03 3600.6 I think it would be useful, yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3607.4 3608.05 But um 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3602.39 3607.4 Well you need the raw frequency as well. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3609.52 3615.81 you also need how many times things occur within each document. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3629.39 3638.62 And if we're viewing like say just a small topic segment you might look at even each utterance as a small document. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3622.73 3629.39 'Cause if we're looking at the whole lot of meetings, we'll consider each meeting a document in sort of terms of this algorithm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3617.34 3622.73 And um what we consider a document's gonna depend on our context, I think. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3639.52 3656.57 It more and more appears to me that if we if we scrap the notion of the meeting as an individual thing and sort of ju see meetings as as topic segments and have sort of like hierarchical topic segmentation instead 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3656.57 3658.56 then it's b like a more coherent framework. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3657.12 3658.59 Yeah, but the thing is um 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3662.04 3664.44 It's gonna need some th th thought of how we 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3666.17 3668.26 Actually maybe it doesn't actually matter. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3689.2 3693.95 But I suppose if you just did it globally, treating a meeting as a document,
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3668.26 3673.04 Maybe if you just do it once at the highest level, it it will be fine. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3673.04 3681.11 But I was just thinking it might be difficult to calculate the T. F. I. D. F. off-line for all the different levels we might want. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3681.11 3689.2 'Cause if we're gonna allow disjoint segments for example, then how are we gonna know what's gonna be in context at any given time? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3693.95 3700.25 it'd probably still be work out fine, because you'd only be comparing to ones within the context. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3698.55 3709.33 Wait, are we are we using this um for the for the for the do for the weighting in the end now, this this measure you're calculating? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3709.73 3712.58 Uh I don't know, I thought were you gonna use that in the end? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3715.4 3716.71 The information density. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3720.47 3728.98 Because if we're doing Like I think for for the information density we uh we should calculate it on the lowest level, not on the highest. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3728.98 3729.51 But like 'cause 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3730.31 3737.31 Like um yeah, for each word or whatever, but across the whole lot is what I mean by highest level. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3737.31 3738.57 Like across the whole corpus. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3729.4 3730.31 Oh sorry, that's what I mean. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3744.97 3747.06 Isn't that how it works that you c look look at r 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3739.12 3744.97 Yeah, but w it don't you have to like go sort of like for in a document versus the whole thing? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3746.73 3749.29 Yeah, but you'd probably look at each meeting as a document. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3761.75 3764.22 That they talk about something different in each different topic segment. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3749.73 3761.75 I don't think that's a good idea because isn't it like that we expect th there to change over i b with the different topic segments more? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3766.42 3767.34 Mm possibly. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3778.73 3781.21 So that would more be the the topic segments then. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3771.66 3778.73 'Cause that's what relative term frequency is about, that like in some context they're talking more about a certain word than in general. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 3783.48 3793.52 Yeah, that's what I thought as well, that you that probably the the topic segment level is the most um informative for the words. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3783.5 3784.02 I don't know. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3785.41 3785.72 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3793.71 3794.08 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3792.23 3793.71 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3794.42 3797.05 Are they big enough to get anything meaningful out of? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 3797.62 3798.23 I don't know. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 3796.3 3797.62 Yeah, that's the problem. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3804 3814.46 So I'm just wondering if there's ways to abandon the whole concept of of meetings and sort of but just not really treating separate meetings as too much of a separate entity. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3814.46 3814.69 But 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3818.27 3822.65 but we still want to have like a notion of meetings for the user. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3814.21 3815.78 Well yeah, that is not it's not an issue. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3815.78 3818.27 You just concatenate an X. M. L. file together. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 3823.37 3825.56 Yes, definitely. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3826.08 3831.79 But on algorithmic level, whether we actually whether there's some way to just represent meetings as as topics. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3832.1 3839.48 Yeah, you just like whatever you want to look at, you just jam together into an X. M. L. file and that's your meeting 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3830.98 3832.1 Yeah, sure. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3839.48 3843.37 even though bits of it may come from all over the place or whatever. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3843.37 3848.03 I mean I don't see why that's really a big problem. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3842.24 3842.72 Hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3848.24 3849.12 That's not really what I meant. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3849.12 3851.08 But I think I have to think more about what I meant. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3853.37 3855.24 Um g I'm confused about everything. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3869.27 3872.16 it could be a meeting plus half a meeting from somewhere else. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3856.98 3862.54 So basically what you're saying is you can take an arbitrary amount of data and process it with the same algorithm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3866.26 3867.37 It could be a meeting. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3862.54 3866.26 It doesn't matter conceptually what that data is. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3867.37 3869.27 it could be two utterances. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3869.59 3870.11 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3872.22 3876.34 I'm I'm not so concerned about the m a meeting plus something else, I'm more talking about like, yeah 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3897.46 3904.28 and the super-topics are in the end what the meetings are, but in general at some level super-topics are treated like like topics. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3889.5 3897.46 so just that sort of topics a hierarchical concept where like a topic where there can be super-topics and topics,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3876.34 3889.5 the keeping keeping the same algorithm and the same way of handling it and just saying like just this this topic here i uh it happens to be like a whole meeting and it has sort of sub-topics 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3926.76 3932.13 when you click on a segment, it's gonna have like words or whatever that are important. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3913.38 3916.52 And then if you wanted the next level up 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3916.52 3926.76 you'd go to the parents of those and like just go from like the leaves inwards towards the branch to build up things like um you know,
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3904.71 3906.1 I don't think it's very difficult though. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3906.1 3913.38 I mean what you do is you just build an X. M. L. file, and if you want it to get down to the utterances, you'd go to the leaves. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3934.07 3934.36 Hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3937.56 3940.45 Mm I'm not really sure what I want. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3939.98 3946.05 As long as like the algorithms are designed um with it in mind, I don't think it's a very big problem. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3947.32 3949.4 So sorry, could describe that again, the 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3949.19 3959.2 Well like say you had um like say for a meeting, right, you've got like uh say a hierarchy that looks quite big, like this. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3961.84 3964.19 And like the utterances come off of here maybe. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3964.85 3965.17 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3978.29 3981.81 But if you were looking at say this one, so only went like this. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3966.04 3972.14 Then when whatever your algorithm is doing, as long as when you're working with utterances, you go for all the leaves,
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3972.14 3978.29 like then if you need something next up, so like a topic segment, you'd go to here. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3968.26 3968.52 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3985.18 3989.48 Right, so you it's same, you'd start with the leaves, and you go oh, I want a topic segment. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3989.48 3990.48 So I go one layer up. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 3991.35 3991.65 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4002.56 4006.07 And as long as your algorithm respects that, then we can just 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3998.33 4002.56 And like each time you want a higher level, you just need to go up the tree. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 3992.16 3998.33 See, and then if you're working with just a topic segment in there, it's the only thing you have to worry about. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4008.28 4010.11 process any arbitrary X. M. L. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4011.47 4013.87 file with whatever hierarchical structure we want. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4017.95 4021.09 That would be sort of m meetings, yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4016.05 4017.95 So that would be the series as a whole. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4019.3 4021.7 A meeting, say, and that would be a topic segment. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4023.47 4024.27 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4024.27 4029.51 I'm a I'm a I'm a bit brain-damaged at the moment, but I think I'll just sit together with you again and and go through it again. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4029.92 4037.97 So I think as long as you build an algorithm that respects whatever structure's in the file, rather than imposing its own structure 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4035.75 4036.03 Hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4048.36 4051.17 So that we can that we can treat it with the same algorithm or 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4040.55 4048.36 So so I'll is th it like is this and this structurally then always identical? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4047.96 4049.13 Well no, it doesn't have to be. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4053.81 4055.34 Like this one could be deeper maybe, 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4051.2 4053.81 But I mean it could be as many nodes as you want. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4058.02 4065.82 So then you'd start with all your utterances here, and when you go up to get topic segments, you go to here here here here here here here. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4057.43 4058.02 say. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4068 4070.99 That might be a bit confusing though 'cause you have things on different levels. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4072.64 4076.11 Yeah, I'm also not sure how we can go from from bottom-up. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4076.11 4081.6 I have always thought it's like more that oh, whatever, I'm a can't think of it at the moment. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4086.69 4092.04 Probably this is all too complicated worrying about that at that moment anyway. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4099.41 4101.28 Mm is there anything else we should discuss? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4106.58 4114.89 S Wednesday we are meeting and looking at their at their implementation in some more detail to actually understand what's going on. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4102.95 4106.58 Now have have we have we decided anything, are we doing anything? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4108.43 4108.84 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4106.34 4108.43 Well Wednesday. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4112.56 4112.82 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4122.99 4123.14 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4121.81 4122.99 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4114.85 4121.81 So we'll see if we can get like a mini-browser just displays two things synched together of some kind. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4120.46 4126.57 We had two things from their stuff just to make sure that we are like understand it, we understand it enough to to m modify it. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4127.45 4132.95 Yeah, should we not have like a group directory or something where we can put all our code in and that kinda thing? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4134.3 4135.99 I don't know who you see about that though. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4133.68 4134.3 It'd be useful. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4136.63 4136.91 Hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4138.55 4139.21 Yep. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4139.21 4140.24 How would we do that? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4140.24 4144.18 By just making like it w read write for everyone. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4146.26 4148.45 'Kay, who has most free space on their 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4149.15 4150.78 I've gotten mm hardly any 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4149.49 4149.96 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4149.92 4151.03 I d have no idea. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4151.85 4152.74 Same here. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4153.96 4161.13 I've probably got a reasonable amount because um everything on my DICE account can actually be deleted 'cause I store it all at home as well. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4162.31 4162.62 Hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4168.12 4171.87 I mean that's where I'm having gigabytes and gigabytes of stuff at the moment. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4163.39 4168.12 Well we alternatively we can probably just make another directory on the beefy scratch space. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4172.82 4174.2 Is that guaranteed to stay, the 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4174.29 4175.35 No. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4175.35 4175.63 No. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4176.88 4179.72 Yeah, we can ask Steve if um we can get space. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4180.45 4180.8 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4183.21 4184.96 Maybe you should send a support form. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4185.66 4187 Yeah, uh we could do that. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4192.8 4193.22 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4186.24 4192.8 But I think if he sends to the I think if he sends to the port he'd probably be in a better position. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4186.71 4188.42 Just say we want some web space. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4191.06 4192.57 Listen to. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4193.81 4195.68 Yeah, I'm sure he had to deal with that last year. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4200.17 4202.37 Especially for transferring stuff. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4195.87 4196.58 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4196.58 4200.17 'Cause that'd be really useful is if we had a big directory. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4202.01 4202.35 Hmm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4206.72 4210.47 Having said that, are we allowed to take a copy of the ICSI corpus? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4210.47 4212.3 Something we should probably ask before we do it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4233.28 4233.43 But 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4216.22 4223.57 I asked that once or like ask is it possible to get it off and nobody said like people were discussing about the technical practicalities 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4223.57 4226.78 but nobody said anything about al being allowed to or not allowed to. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4212.41 4213.56 I think he said yes to that. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4213.56 4216.22 I think uh that was like in when we were still in the seminar room 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4226.78 4233.28 I mean, we have access to it here and I guess it probably means that we we can't give it to anybody else. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4217.01 4217.53 Okay. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4233.47 4233.89 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4236.04 4238.63 but if they give us access to it here o sitting on a DICE machine 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4241.96 4245.06 I personally don't have too many friends who would be too keen on getting it anyway. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4238.63 4241.96 then there shouldn't be a reason why we shouldn't be able to use it on our laptop. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4245.27 4250.14 No, me neither. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4246.17 4247.59 Yeah, right. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4250.31 4251.91 It annotated meeting data. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4247.18 4250.31 I have that really excited pirate copied thing. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4249.34 4250.33 Ye 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4252.22 4254.35 So shall we sit together tomorrow then as well? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4254.35 4255.76 Uh Okay. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4252.28 4252.32 M 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4254.89 4255.32 Yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4256.32 4264.31 Um Jasmine, uh um what is um the text you're extracting uh looking like then at the end? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4267.6 4270.74 At the moment it's it's just lines of 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4265.08 4267.6 Um, yeah, w would it be best? 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4268.32 4292.43 Because um I I think it's actually very similar to what I did for my um speaker um uh extraction and I think I would ch perhaps have to change two lines of codes to get you um for each meeting a file that says fr from um this millisecond to this millisecond there was this sequence of words. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4273.03 4273.39 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4294.13 4294.62 And so on. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4296.13 4296.7 Um 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4296.14 4300.14 So that's just changing two lines of code. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4300.14 4301.22 And it would give you that. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4301.22 4301.41 So 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4307.95 4308.22 Uh 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4303.6 4307.95 So um you'd do you extract the words, the raw text, as well? 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4303.07 4303.6 Okay. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4312.75 4314.68 But it's from the words file. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4308.54 4312.75 So far I extracted um the dura durations. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4314.68 4326.79 So I could just um contatenate concatenate um the words instead of the durations, and it should I mean 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4307.81 4308.54 Um yeah. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4312.5 4312.81 Okay. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4315.22 4315.57 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4317.96 4318.53 Print out. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4329.33 4330.32 Should be very 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4331.51 4332.14 straight-forward. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4336.92 4341.02 Pe and you have a look at it, will it make sense for what you want. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4334.02 4336.92 I can try to do it and send it to you. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4336.68 4337.34 Okay. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4337.34 4337.87 Okay, that 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4342.8 4343.17 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4351.14 4351.31 Huh. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4351.34 4353.82 So have we already extracted from all the files? 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4358.6 4358.84 So 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4354.56 4358.6 Yeah, uh p I mean it I just let it run over all the files. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4356.06 4356.39 Yeah. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4358.74 4360.21 Did you also order 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4362.22 4362.97 I just ordered. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4361.06 4362.22 Yes. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4361.59 4361.81 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4363.93 4364.47 Yeah, sorry. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4362.54 4363.93 Um sorry. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4361.72 4362.54 Wait, wait, wait. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4365.92 4370.29 Uh I ordered according to the um starting times of the utterances. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4369.2 4369.57 Hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4371.93 4379.6 What I just realised, we should really t keep different serieses completely separate for virtually all purposes. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4379.6 4381.34 Just let's be careful about that, because 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4382.18 4383.37 What do you mean by diffe 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4383.08 4392.01 like the the ICSI corpus isn't isn't one meeting series, it's several meeting series with different people meeting for completely different things. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4387.47 4387.68 Hmm. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4392.71 4398.18 Yeah, I mean t I I have one what I give you would be one file for each meeting. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4400.04 4401.07 For each meeting. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4401.57 4403.55 Yeah, not for each meeting series. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4403.55 4404.39 I didn't do that yet. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4402.35 4402.52 Alright. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4403.29 4406.52 Okay, but like let's just be careful that whatever we sort of we merge together,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4406.52 4411.51 that like the highest level of merging, it's not the whole ICSI corpus but individual series. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4411 4412.43 Yeah, one group, yeah. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4411.8 4412.07 Hmm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4412.37 4419.89 Might be funny to see what is summarised the whole corpus as anyway. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4419.89 4421.5 I think it'd be very useful. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4421.5 4421.6 But 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4415.96 4424.88 I think we might actually I think That's probably be somewhere like well or something like it. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4432.43 4434.54 I mean you can do everything you want in one series. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4424.88 4432.43 Um I think we might just get away with for the whole project just like looking at only one series and just doing within one series. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4434.05 4439.47 Yeah, I mean there's one series that has just one meeting. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4437.28 4437.97 Oh yeah, let's take that. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4437.72 4439.16 That sounds good. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4444.67 4446.18 Uh like is it easy to just pick one 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4442.07 4444.67 Is the is the data always clearly split up by different series? 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4456.09 4460.96 And then after that there's um a number like O. O. one, O. O. two. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4445.71 4451.31 Um the you you the data is of the form you have um three identification letter. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4451.31 4456.09 So B. E. D. or B. B. D. or something, and that's always the same group. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4444.88 4445.71 Yes. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4460.96 4461.85 So, it's a 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4451.56 4452.03 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4453.78 4454.29 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4456 4456.5 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4480.64 4484.57 sort of our corpus, that would still be from one series only. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4461.14 4461.74 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4467.32 4474.38 just take stuff from one series and not merge stuff from different series together because they would probably be just majorly messy. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4484.57 4491.51 Wou but it what you're producing at the moment is like individual text files that sort of have the raw text for a whole a meeting as a whole or 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4461.74 4467.32 So at at every level everyone has to be careful to really just take even at the highest level 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4474.38 4480.64 Yeah, so so t so like if even if we make one single text file which has the whole corpus,
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4470.22 4475.28 Yeah, but that's that's really quite easy to see because they're named. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4470.71 4470.99 Hmm. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4512.2 4522.18 But then we would have to change um the information about who on which channel it was set, um to by which person it was set. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4522.18 4525.28 And that is actually stored in another X. M. L. document. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4493 4501.58 But I I mean as um the start uh start times um start for each meeting at zero 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4492.1 4493 Yes. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4501.58 4512.2 you could just probably just um add the um final second time to the next meeting and so on and just put it all together. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4497.91 4498.28 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4512.29 4513.04 Yeah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4526.22 4526.42 Hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4526.6 4528.09 'Kay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4528.09 4534.43 Um so is is anybody creating an uh a real raw text thing at the moment, like which is just the words? 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4534.72 4536.71 Yeah, that's what I'm gonna need. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4537.47 4539.22 Yeah, tha 'cause that's what I'm gonna need as well. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4538.2 4545.33 Yeah, I w would then just not print out the um start and end times. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4543.12 4543.43 Yes. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4544.6 4546.03 Yeah, it's just mo changing it a bit. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4544.6 4548.53 But i but if there uh b aren't like so it's it's start and end times just for the file. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4548.53 4549.97 Like is it just the first and the last line? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4549.97 4551.25 Or is it for every single thing in 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4545.55 4545.93 Okay. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4550.72 4552.39 No, it's for every single word. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4553.72 4554.82 We can just change the code. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4553.83 4555.62 Or for every single utterance. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4555.62 4557.25 Yeah, that depends on what you want. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4555.75 4555.93 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4556.6 4558.64 So what do you mean by just not print out that? 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4559.6 4562.52 Yeah, but I do it with Perl, it's just string manipulation. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4562.52 4565.16 So I would I mean I would just 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4563.67 4564.1 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4572.66 4581.58 'cause I would need something that marks the end of uh of uh is is yours segmented by topics then that like is there any information that you have to the topic 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4586.93 4587.97 Okay, but for now, if you c 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4581.58 4584.71 to the automated topic topic segmentation? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4584.71 4586.93 Oh then I need something different later anyway. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4571.33 4572.66 Do you want it straight flowing 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4570.34 4571.33 'Kay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4565.59 4570.34 If you're into it, can you make a text file which just like makes just the words? 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4569.1 4570.03 Sure. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4582.42 4584.29 No, I didn't do a sea no. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4587.1 4589.74 No, but uh that's what M. L. C. seg does. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4589.74 4592.02 It it marks the end of each segment. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4592 4592.37 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4595.33 4600.32 Okay, so for now can you create like sort of just uh a dump which is pure text 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4592.37 4595.33 You're gonna put that as an output of yours, the segmentation. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4605.64 4606.09 And 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4600.32 4605.64 just pure text so that I can get a dictionary and you can work on that for your topic segmentation. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4594.57 4594.76 Yeah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4604.13 4604.34 Yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4611.81 4612.04 Or 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4606.54 4611.81 And you would want that all in one file for all the corpus? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4612.16 4613.89 Or for for the series. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4613.89 4619.5 But I can but I can also deal with separate files, I mean I can just write the algorithm that it loads all files in a directory or something. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4619.5 4620.39 But I mean if you 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4614.08 4615.12 For the series. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4620.18 4623.14 Yeah, I can directly put it into uh just like 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4622.45 4625.78 But if you can put it in one single mega-file, that would be quite useful for me. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4626.59 4626.79 Oh. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4626.6 4631.71 So uh only words um per meeting series. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4632.49 4637.14 Even though for you, wouldn't it be easier if you had different files because then you sort of know like 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4636.54 4636.77 Yeah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4638.2 4640.33 Yeah, for me it's better if they're by meeting. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4648.31 4649.83 Or just anything that I can 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4640.08 4645.07 So give m give me different files as long as like it m if you could name them in a way that is easy to enumerate over them,
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4645.07 4648.31 like whatever, one two three four five or something. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4639.64 4640.08 Yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4643.75 4644.13 Uh-huh. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4648.13 4648.89 Yes. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4650.39 4656.58 Yeah, they will just I will just take I would uh take over the names they have anyway. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4657.2 4659.68 Is is it something that's easily enu like to enumerate over? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4662.74 4663.32 Okay, cool. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4659.68 4662.74 Is it some just some ordered pattern? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4656.67 4657.2 Yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4661.08 4661.47 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4667.07 4667.34 So 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4662.81 4667.07 Yeah, one series has the um same three starting letters. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4667.12 4668.81 Okay, cool. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4668.81 4669.2 Yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4672.12 4672.45 And you 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4669.1 4672.12 So only words and words and times. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4672.22 4675.46 Uh I don't need the times, I just need the words. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4675.46 4676.96 But um 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4677.32 4678.05 In the right order. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4677.92 4679.46 Yeah, you want it ordered. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4680.83 4683.16 Okay, anybody 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4679.46 4680.83 Okay. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4679.18 4682.45 Yes. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4678.18 4679.18 Yeah, in the right order. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4680.32 4683.43 It's just a wish list. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4683.43 4684.08 Orders. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4685.37 4686.88 Um ord base dot times. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4688.1 4689.25 Yeah, and do you want 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4690.97 4694.18 Yeah, sometimes they're contained in one another. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4694.18 4694.58 So 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4694.87 4697.1 Yeah, that doesn't matter too much, I think. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4698.8 4699.1 'Kay. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4696.42 4698.8 Just after th mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4701.62 4702.57 Only words. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4700.34 4701.62 Ordered. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4708.09 4714.83 When do you think you'll have um like a primitive segmentation by some ready-made topic segmentation by some ready-made tool ready? 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4715.76 4719.1 Then that'll be really easy to do once they've got the raw text. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4719.1 4721.32 It's just a case of running the script. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4719.43 4719.89 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4723.01 4724.68 'Cause I'll need that then when it's done. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4721.7 4723.01 Okay, cool. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4724.85 4726.45 Yeah, I mean hopefully this week. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4726.93 4727.35 Okay. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4739.33 4739.87 Should be. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4727.29 4732.05 Um and I think um for all the corpus, it's just from I know from other times 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4732.05 4739.33 it's um nine megami byte to have I mean should be should be similar to have the words. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4734.35 4734.66 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4737.18 4737.89 Is that it? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4737.89 4738.55 That's quite good. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4741.93 4742.39 The the 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4740.6 4741.93 What's what's nine megabyte? 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4742.16 4745.88 Na um all the words together um for all the meetings. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4746.92 4747.08 Alright. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4747.14 4748.03 That sounds quite reasonable. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4748.03 4753.04 That's nine nine characters over okay. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4749.62 4752.21 That's what I'm guessing that's, you know,
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4752.21 4761.1 um what I because nine mega-byte is what I got for when I said for every um utterance, this is goes from there to there and 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4761.21 4762.67 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4762.67 4766.16 That is for are we are we picking one particular series at the moment? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4759.26 4761.21 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4766.16 4766.42 Or 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4762.89 4764.74 takes takes seconds. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 4767.71 4768.28 And we could 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4772.8 4773.64 Doesn't matter. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4768.97 4772.8 Yeah, I mean I'm it doing it for all of it. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4767.85 4768.97 Oh. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4769.75 4770.05 Yes. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4774.21 4774.7 Okay. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4785.89 4792.22 I mean if you think if it's r roughly a million words and nine characters per word sounds realisti 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4776.39 4784.47 Yeah, I guess we can probably process the data for all different series and then check which series is the best for the presentation. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4784.47 4785.89 It sounds quite reasonable, nine megabyte. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4775.89 4776.39 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4781.27 4781.64 Yeah. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4790.55 4794.46 Yeah, I mean I hope it will be the same for the words. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4794.46 4795.29 It's just what I 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4795.77 4796.14 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4798.88 4801.57 Yes, I'm gonna build a dictionary then from that. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4811.47 4812.6 What what does anyone want? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4801.57 4811.47 Like just a list of the words that maybe a list of the words with the frequencies or a list of the words sorted alphabetically or numerically. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4812.6 4814.74 Does this there any wishes for dictionaries? 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4809.46 4809.52 I 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4816.91 4823.08 I could just use it with the frequency, I think, until the information density thing's finished. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4823.08 4824.18 That would be really useful. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4827.05 4839.35 So so um I will probably send um just one file of the first meeting um to all those who need it so that you can have a look whether that's what you want. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4824.85 4825.72 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4825.72 4827.05 Mm. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4825.34 4825.59 Hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4826.63 4827.95 So I'll create a dictionary. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4838.43 4840.13 Add add the structure, yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4840.13 4844.22 And then the actual file we can probably like copy from your home directory or something like it. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4839.91 4840.27 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4844.42 4847.22 Yeah, I mean if it's just for one meeting, it's really not too big. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4847.18 4849.32 Yeah yeah, but I'm sa I'm saying for the whole thing in the end. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4849.32 4852.76 Then like the big thing we probably shouldn't do by email. 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 4849.51 4849.8 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4855.38 4855.66 Yeah. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4856.57 4863.09 How long would it take to make the frequency counts with a Java hash table? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4863.43 4869.18 Oh, from the time I get the file I can do that in an afternoon, the next sort of the next morning. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4869.18 4871.22 Oh, you mean how long processing time it takes. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4868.2 4868.82 Yeah. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4871.04 4873.97 No, how long you would have to program something. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4873.78 4875.77 Ah, it's a it's a bog standard algorithm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4880.28 4890.04 It's just you put them in a hash table and and say well if it exists already in the hash table then you increase the count by one and I'll probably implement some filter for filtering out numbers or something. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4875.77 4880.28 I've I've sort of I've written it for for DIL just in half an hour or something similar. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4879.8 4880.1 Okay. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4886.37 4886.72 Mm. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4891.18 4899.72 Because it's quite easy in Perl as well, it's just a line of code for counting all the words and yeah, it's it's by hashes. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4897.25 4897.72 Really? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4897.72 4898.47 How do you do that? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4900.66 4901.85 Okay, well I don't know any Perl. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4901.85 4906.93 I mean if anyone wants to do a Perl script for that that does it does it nicely, I uh 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4901.68 4902.05 Yeah. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4905.03 4905.27 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4910.12 4916.17 I but I think I have the Java code virtually ready because for DIL I wrote something very similar. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4916.17 4921.92 Like for DIL I wrote something that counts the the different occurrences of all the tags um 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4909.27 4910.12 I've no problem with that. 
EN2001a H02 FEO065 4915.12 4915.39 'Kay. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4921.63 4928.03 If you're doing it in Java, could you um serialize the output as well as writing it to a file? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4928.03 4934.56 If you're doing it in Java, could you serialize the um dictionary, yeah, as well as writing it to a file? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4927.3 4927.66 Sorry? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4931.82 4932.66 The hash table? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4935 4937.01 Uh I've never serialized anything. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4936.25 4937.52 It's really easy. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4938.64 4940.46 Wouldn't that be absolutely massive though? 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4941.91 4943.99 I don't see why it'd be any more massive than the file. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4948.43 4951.82 So you want like a se like a file which is the serialization of a hash table. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4944.32 4948.43 And then seriali and then write the serialization to a file. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4947.32 4947.72 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4951.16 4953.35 It just saves you parsing the um 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4954.31 4954.58 Okay. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4955.46 4956.71 file representation of it. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4956.71 4959.51 And now 'cause I would be using it in Java anyway. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4959.51 4961.74 So I'd just be building the data structure again. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4961.64 4961.85 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4961.85 4964.13 I I'll I'll check if I understand how it works. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4967.66 4972.21 Give you my my it's just it's it's sort of it's a line break separated file, you know. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4964.13 4967.66 I mean otherwise I can give you the code for loading a dictionary. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4971.85 4976.72 Yeah, but it seems like a bit silly to be parsing it over and over again kinda thing. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4977.06 4977.57 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4982.62 4984.6 Yeah, I'll see if I understand how to serialize. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4984.6 4988.01 There's a there's a serialise command so that gives me one mega mother of a s 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4987.25 4994.49 I would've thought that um I think all the collections and things implement serializable already. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4994.71 4997.62 Yeah, but do they automatically write to the file anyway I'll I'll figure that out. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 4997.62 4998.22 We don't have to 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 4997.18 4998.25 I think they might do. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5000.46 5002.26 Yes, is that pretty much 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5004.68 5005.34 pretty much it? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5008.5 5013.52 So Dave and me look at how NITE X. M. L. works and we're 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 5013.02 5021.09 Tonight I'll try and um I'll either work some more on uh the T. F. I. D. F. summarizer or do the audio thing. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5021.89 5022.16 Hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5026.35 5029.1 I'll build a dictionary as soon as I get the text. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5031.83 5032.87 And yeah, so that 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5035.39 5038.07 When do we have to meet again then with this? 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 5039.92 5041.31 Suppose we're just getting on with all our 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 5039.62 5039.92 Don't know. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 5042.14 5042.58 Yeah. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 5042.45 5043.12 components. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 5043.12 5043.43 So 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5044.26 5046.59 How are we gonna do a demonstrator next week? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5046.59 5047.3 My God. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 5047.24 5048.88 Do we have to demonstrate something next week? 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 5047.25 5048.83 I know. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 5048.83 5048.99 Wa 
EN2001a H01 FEO066 5049.55 5050.89 What do we have to demonstrate? 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5050.83 5057.79 No no, not demonstrate, but like didn't you say that uh didn't we sort of agree that it would be useful to have a demonstrator of it 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5057.79 5060.05 like some primitive thing working next week. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 5060.09 5062.96 Yeah, he suggested that we could have an uh initial prototype. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 5059.43 5060.09 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5063.7 5066.89 That's gotta be very prototype. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 5066.7 5072.3 I know, I'd b I'd be surprised if we can get anything working by next week. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 5067.18 5067.55 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5074.84 5076.96 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5078.85 5080.76 Sorry. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5076.96 5078.85 Ah well, let's go. 
EN2001a H00 MEE068 5081.07 5081.24 Alright. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5085.2 5095.24 I feel like like hanging mid-air and not really like finding a point where you can get your teeth into it and start working properly and so it's all so fuzzy the whole 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 5092.34 5093.27 Yeah, I know. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 5098.29 5107.97 I think it's 'cause we had to specify it ourselves that it's not as um like focus the specification of most um work we have to do. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5106.97 5110.04 Yeah, but it at the moment but at the moment it's also an implementational level. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5110.04 5115.35 Like with the data structures, I'm just like over these vague ideas of some trees, I'm f 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 5113.62 5114.09 Yeah. 
EN2001a H03 MEE067 5115.46 5119.5 Once we start doing it it will all become more or less obvious I think anyway. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5119.57 5120.93 Yeah. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5123.14 5126.25 That's just what freaks me out. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5120.93 5123.14 It's just we are half-way through the project time table. 
EN2001a H04 MEO069 5132.14 5132.57 Um 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3.09 3.24 Hmm 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 22.3 22.69 Yeah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 28.59 34.61 It's with cameras. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 32.19 32.86 Hmm? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 35.67 38.78 You look quite funny at the moment, Tim. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 42.91 45.31 This isn't supposed to look like just 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 48.09 49.13 Ah, sod that. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 49.13 49.35 Okay, there. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 49.6 52.03 Nice. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 56.01 56.42 Da. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 54.81 56.01 Group K. . 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 58.48 58.67 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 65.33 67.05 Yeah, I guess. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 67.05 67.53 Whatever. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 78.23 82.44 Obviously failing this like whatev calling centre and tra 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 70.75 78.23 It's yeah, I never get this, so what's the point of if this is strapless if this strap's supposed to go behind m I obviously doing this wrong. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 86.03 86.33 Yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 81.54 86.03 You you have this going behind your ears, the yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 84.49 90.65 Like this and then yeah, you know what the shit has to do now. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 86.4 88.33 Look's good. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 95.99 96.19 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 97.49 98.7 Okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 106.43 112.62 Yes, so um actually I just realise I don't have power, let me just switch on the other which is gonna run out. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 117.71 118.08 Okay. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 118.82 119.12 Okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 123.19 134.33 So there's probably not much to talk about at the moment in terms of like talking about each other's stuff, I mean beyond what we've been talking about yesterday. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 134.51 135.61 Yeah, that's true I think. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 154.34 158.61 but all this stuff that goes with annotation, that we have it in the right format. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 163.53 166.58 I don't at all know how to go about this. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 158.61 163.53 Maybe if we just sort of pool what we know about the X. M. L. format and try to make sense of it. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 136.18 154.34 So what I've been thinking is maybe if we try to really make sense together of the X. M. L. format to be sure that we can all produce the data that we are producing in a way or at least I mean I guess my data I'll probably load in from completely different way anyway because it's matrix,
EN2001b H01 MEO069 168.28 174.03 Um what I did just now is I downloaded 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 180.64 183.46 Um I downloaded some 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 200.44 209.69 And then talk about how the annotation for information density and stuff should maybe be structured in a similar way. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 185.6 198.58 some X. M. L. files and I was thinking if we maybe just should go through some of them and like try to see if you understand the general structure and pool together what we think about the structure 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 198.58 200.44 what we think that things mean. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 184.58 185.6 files 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 214.31 215 I mean 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 209.69 214.31 Or but I don't r I don't really have an idea like what, other words, what we would do today in this meeting. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 187.33 187.62 Oh yeah. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 208.38 208.6 Yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 208.47 208.83 Hmm. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 216.29 218.15 Yeah, we haven't got that much to talk about, I don't think. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 217.94 218.16 No. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 223.57 223.84 Yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 218.16 223.57 Just maybe talk about um how you would give me your data file. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 222.78 223.09 Yeah. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 224.68 225.41 Yes, we can do that. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 226.8 227.53 What's that part? 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 228.27 237.5 That's um the interface between having the topic segments and calculating the uh information importance of words. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 233.12 233.76 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 237.87 238.35 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 238.98 239.52 Yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 239.52 246.37 So I I would need separate files for each segment or just maybe have delimiters inbetween each segment. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 243.11 243.49 Alright. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 247.32 249.69 It's got delimiters in-between the mar the boundaries. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 249.69 250 But 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 245.68 247.32 Yeah well, that that's the way it works. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 248.4 250.7 Okay, yeah, and y then I can make files of that. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 250.75 252.35 Yeah, if you're happy to do that, yeah. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 252.35 254.73 And you're saying you need a a label for each segment. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 254.73 258.02 But I mean the most I ca you don't need a one. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 258.02 262.95 Well, I could give you an I. D., but it'd be quite difficult to actually give a topic a title. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 251.98 252.26 Alright. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 255.64 257.66 No, I don't kno know it, no. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 259.72 260.41 Yeah, that's fine. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 261.74 267.47 I just I just need a a title for the file, but doesn't matter what it is. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 267.61 268.51 Okay. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 268.51 269.24 Yeah, that's no problem. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 266.22 267.61 Right. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 272.49 278.12 Yes, so does anyone have a good idea where to start like which what so what is it we talk about getting in at the moment? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 286.23 292.14 So the only thing we're trying to tie in is just an additional annotation which is similar to 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 278.12 281.82 We're basically just 'cause the two of you will merge your data together, right? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 281.82 286.23 In some way like i in the end it'll result in one annotation. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 282.52 283.12 Mm yes. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 293.68 297.64 the annotation about what what would it be s most similar to. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 297.64 300.94 Simply to the segmentation information or 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 305.45 310.94 I had um a look at the um for example A. S. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 299.92 305.45 Yes, perhaps yeah, but I mean they're all very very similar, all those X. M. L. files. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 304.83 305.3 Okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 310 313.89 I'm not sure it Ah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 313.89 316.29 See, that's what I was thinking. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 316.29 320.52 Not sure what software I have at the moment, which would be hello? 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 311.45 312.49 Mm. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 312.14 312.37 Mm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 321.94 322.35 Um 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 326.5 326.64 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 328.18 328.22 Ah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 332.69 336.31 Does anyone know any good standards software displays X. M. L., I'm not sure. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 336.67 337.49 Take Mozilla. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 338.36 342.26 Yeah, but I'm afraid I only have Firefox and Firefox doesn't have the nice X. M. L. viewer anymore. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 344.32 344.47 Hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 344.5 346.83 I think I don't have Mozilla. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 350.5 350.91 No. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 354.23 355.7 I can probably just Emacs them. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 358.62 369.93 So uh we have then when we are mixing our um values together, is it um a value for each um expression, for each sentence or something? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 370.47 375.99 Yeah, I think that would be m I mean uh for me it's quite difficult to say o on, 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 372.14 372.78 Yeah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 377.25 383.26 you know, w um what scope one annotation would have. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 381.88 382.5 Mm-mm. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 384.85 388.21 I think it would be certainly more than one word and 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 389.73 394.13 I think it would work best with utterances or segments. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 392.61 393.07 Yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 395.39 401 Yeah, I would just end up with uh values for each word, so I wouldn't have um 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 395.51 395.6 Yep. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 402.11 405.47 any boundaries for segments at all. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 407.11 407.41 But 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 407.13 414.34 I just I just would have the words, and then how we um how long each expression would be, I don't know. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 415.22 420.09 But going from from a word business, wouldn't it be easier to then go back and calculate for each utterance? 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 420.68 422.75 Yeah, but what is an utterance. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 422.75 423.83 Uh, yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 422.85 424.78 You know, wha wha each turn, so if we 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 424.09 430.92 I think just the segments as they're segmented in the for example in the point se point six five. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 425.88 426.41 Okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 427.62 428.12 Yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 436.14 436.97 Or what you 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 429.98 436.14 So what we what we would fit in into the XML files, would it be uh um a value for each utterance? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 438.49 439.1 I think so. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 439.1 439.34 Okay. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 444.04 453.77 And you would s probably still need um your values for the words, um perhaps for for um the keywords that are displayed 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 453.46 453.91 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 455.33 456.48 when you click on something. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 456.06 460.54 So then we would have to fit in more than just one where values um 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 459.27 459.61 Mm. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 461 466.68 Yeah, but that's another representation then, I think, f for the importance measure. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 464.65 464.93 So d 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 465.57 466.02 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 467.56 474.16 Does anyone does anyone know in which file the actual, like what's it called, the splitting into the utterances? 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 467.61 469.75 But um 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 468.16 469.05 Should yeah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 474.89 475.65 Um po 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 476.94 478.86 Or is it dialogue act dialogue acts? 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 475.07 476.94 Um is it not segments? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 476.85 477.81 Is is called is that 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 476.86 477.3 Yes. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 480.08 487.57 It's um for example, there's uh B. D. B. O. O. one C. point six. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 478.84 480.08 No, it's not. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 481.57 481.94 Is it 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 486.97 488.28 Does it with with SAX? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 486.1 486.97 What does it end with? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 489.93 490.78 Does that look like it? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 492.45 496.61 Uh I can't see anything very much, but yeah, that's that's it. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 494.1 495.22 Yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 494.4 494.96 Mm uh-huh. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 495.23 496.23 Okay. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 496.32 497.41 I think that's it, yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 498.63 499.17 Be nice. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 498.65 501.13 Yeah, they've all got an I. D. for each utterance. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 501.11 503.53 Let's actually just see if maybe K. right. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 505.39 509.6 Oh this is how much time you spend just getting the right software going. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 514.88 516.57 I guess yeah, white and black is better to see. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 514.08 514.88 Is that better to see? 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 519.78 520.41 Yeah, it's better. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 520.48 521.98 Can you use a bigger font? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 521.41 524.92 So just see if I can view 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 537.3 537.91 Okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 540.54 541.08 So 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 541.47 554.25 Okay, so here there's for um each segment um uh that's really all segments, I mean it's it can be words or topics or um anything I think. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 544.15 545.35 This this 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 556.32 564.6 Um that's why th it's for example, time provenance dialogue act or time provenance segment or time provenance 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 566 568.42 Yeah, and it's got a different uh file for each speaker. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 569.67 570.38 But what is this? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 572.42 573.57 Like any text. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 570.38 572.42 I mean this doesn't contain any content. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 573.54 575.15 No, but it yeah. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 573.62 575.83 N no, it just points to the to the words. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 581.09 581.91 So 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 578.13 581.09 Oh wait, somebody s s somebody explain that slowly to me. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 590.01 596.8 So that's kind of the global thing that ties together other things. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 583.36 590.01 Yeah, it p Oh, well some of them point to the words, other others point to the um dialogue acts. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 588.97 589.9 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 595.32 597.57 So what do all these things in this file have in common? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 597.57 598.51 What what are they? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 599.65 600.08 Um 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 601.49 604.78 yeah, they have their NITE I. D., the time 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 608.27 610.22 Wh what's definition of a segment then? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 605.01 608.27 No but w like uh so they are they are segments in what sense? 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 609 610.91 The I suppose so, the utterances. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 610.91 613.09 But also includes things like like 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 611.57 616.05 The segment is what is displayed in one line um by NITE. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 617.41 617.72 And 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 615.39 617.41 Okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 624.19 624.61 I don't 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 619.07 624.19 and that's usually dialogue what what's difference i between provenance dialogue act and between segmenter? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 624.23 631.45 Yeah, it looks uh uh the segment thing looks in the into the words X. M. L. file and the dialogue acts 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 632.47 633.44 um thing. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 633.44 636.67 Yeah, I think it's in a different 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 638.47 640.53 So is that just another representation of text? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 635.01 638.47 A dialogue act uh a dialogue act annotations of dialogue act. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 638.49 638.86 Um 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 643.33 653.91 and one um segment can have or one um of those word strings that are presented in one line can have several um dialogue acts annotated on it. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 641.33 643.33 No, their their annotation of dialogue acts 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 655.44 656.19 That's why 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 658.67 660.53 Just see, can we have this files somewhere. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 660.53 661.52 So the stuff that's 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 663.3 666.42 that's called segment here that do we know which file this is pulling from? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 667.56 670.82 From yeah, it's it's c it from words X. M. L., is that it's saying here? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 668.17 669.1 Yeah, it's from words. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 671.49 671.82 Yes. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 676.2 678.9 So let's for example look at 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 673.17 676.2 Let me see if I have that words X. M. L. file. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 677.81 679.13 That's just below. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 680.63 687.81 So we n would need a value label for each of those segments that are not dialogue acts. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 690.16 693.3 For all those that point to the actual words. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 694.49 697.58 Okay, let me just try to get them all to a different screen. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 701.14 703.04 Uh uh is that what we were 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 711.47 716.56 Sorry, I'm just I'm trying to arrange them, so that we have one above the other, so to make some sense of that. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 729.02 730.44 Here we had 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 728.25 729.02 So no. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 730.39 737.95 But I think these segments are perhaps not exactly what we are looking at, because that's just o one tying all the others together. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 739.49 745.45 And the information or r I mean we are going to create a file that looks more like um the words file. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 746.55 747.06 I think. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 752.41 756 Like it's it's referencing here it's referencing to 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 748.52 752.41 Um I'm just trying to understand what this segments file is about. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 758.86 762.63 To a certain position in the in the words file. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 763.62 764.78 Yeah, think so. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 768.42 771.23 So it's that non-vocal sound one here. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 771.23 772.88 That's the mic noise, okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 774.96 779.53 But what's the does it always just oh no, it's it's referencing to several word structures. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 779.53 782.9 So this would be basically be a a sequence, right? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 783.53 783.86 Yes. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 784.28 787.21 So that's from W. fifty two. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 790.2 796.6 Are they not ordered or oh yeah, from W. fifty two down to W. what are we talking about? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 796.6 798.21 And yeah, w sorry. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 792.08 792.79 Yeah, they are. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 798.96 803.66 Um to discourse marker, DIS F. marker fi point five. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 809.26 809.65 Yeah, right. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 805.38 808.1 Yeah, that's there no no, up up. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 808.1 809.26 Go up. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 805.72 806.82 Yeah, that's there. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 806.82 807.72 No, above. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 809.27 809.54 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 812.68 816.1 So this so this is somebody saying it it doesn't. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 812.15 812.68 Okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 817.17 822.15 Do we have any confirmation do we actually see from this file who's doing it, just out of interest? 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 817.47 817.82 Yeah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 822.92 824.53 Yeah, this is all the speaker D. . 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 826.15 827.36 You and the speaker D. . 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 829.11 833.14 So this is where he'd like time stops. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 833.14 837.85 And then it only starts at a later time, because oh, you don't see when I'm pointing at screen, it's just for this. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 827.37 829.11 Sorry, in speaker D. 's file. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 837.85 841.18 So then it starts here this time against speaker D. because in-between there's somebody else. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 826.51 827.37 Oh. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 844.99 854.9 You can see that in the w um W. point um first it's W. point um five uh fifty four and then it's seventy six 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 854.9 858.87 so there are um this number of utterances of other speakers in-between. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 842.19 842.62 Yes. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 842.62 844.99 Um you can see whether there's somebody else or not. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 842.64 843.12 Okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 857.2 857.74 Okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 855.85 857.2 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 859.6 865.76 So the the file with annotations for information density, what would that be like? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 858.91 859.6 Okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 865.76 871.74 Would that be like the segments file, giving a start word and end word, or or would that 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 872.82 875.64 How would that be to best tie in with the system? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 876.61 879.15 Yeah, I think we would also need two of those. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 880.36 880.7 Sorry? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 888.24 892.96 So we would perhaps have to make one that's similar. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 881.12 888.24 Yeah, I think we would have to have the same structure, one that points to it, where we tie together, all our information. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 890.65 897.24 Something like something like this or like where you give sort of a reference to a beginning and an end position. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 897.45 903.54 Yes, and uh then another one that would perhaps give the actual probability value. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 906.17 909.13 It would just couldn't we have a like uh 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 904.6 906.17 Well that would be in the same file, wouldn't it? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 907.4 910.7 Yeah, it could could probably be in the same file, I don't know. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 911.05 914.27 I guess we could introduce a different um 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 913.43 915.99 But if you have several layers, then 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 917.31 919.11 you can't represent them on the same file. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 921.41 924.08 We have for now if we just do something which for every 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 925.49 929.52 segment in here attaches actually can we not tie it to the segments file? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 929.52 932.8 Would that not be the way how they would want it to have to do as if we in the end 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 932.8 937.04 if we want to attach to each of those segments one number for now. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 943.03 945.24 So this is the I. D. of a specific segment, right? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 941.41 943.03 Yeah, I guess they do. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 938.12 941.41 And those segments have uh do they have an I. D. ? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 946.63 947.8 Um there line below. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 944.71 946.63 Yeah, in segment point one. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 956.18 960.99 But you'd think that the easiest way and the way that how it's intended to be would be just, 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 949.03 956.18 Yeah, so wouldn't it I mean the problem is they've me haven't looked at the exact inner workings of their of their engineered. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 965.93 973.46 that we just create another file which links to the segment and then has an additional value which is the number. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 962.21 965.93 if we have here a link to the segment, a like an I. D. for that segment 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 975.64 978.18 So you mean an a an attribute. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 978.18 978.56 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 977.75 978.5 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 978.79 981.65 Yeah, that's what I meant actually, yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 980.82 983.39 Yeah, oh sorry, I I thought we were talking about having two files. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 993.17 1002.25 And I was thinking that's probably what you meant, just um having like for each sort of of our segments having just the I. D. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 985.52 987.9 I was think yeah, I I think that I I understood wrong. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1002.25 1006.83 which is referencing to these segments here and another attribute which is the the value. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 987.9 993.17 I thought you were wanting to have two different X. M. L. files, with one the reference and one just th just the number. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1007.16 1007.38 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1008.74 1012.62 So this whole information we would then store in this Ah, no 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1012.62 1022.68 that I don't have access to because I didn't download like there's this one meta information file where it describes the structure of all the files and describes which um which attributes they bring in. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1022.68 1024.3 So we would add that to that file? 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 1026.54 1026.72 Mm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1036.15 1036.48 I'm not sure. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1030.23 1036.15 And then we would create the file of that type, which we probably couldn't call it segment. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1036.48 1038.11 We probably might have to have a different word for it. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1038.11 1041.22 I'm not sure if it there's any trouble with it repeating. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1026.9 1030.23 Saying that sort of we bring in information density. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1042.61 1043.31 Um 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1043.08 1048.59 Wouldn't it be easiest to just incorporate a new attribute in in this file? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1049 1050.32 In the existing segments file. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1049.93 1055.69 Yeah, I don't know, that's probably not very uh nice but would quite easy, wouldn't it? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1056.45 1058.56 Yeah, I reckon actually if we make a copy of it 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1078.01 1079.07 Um, you know, to 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1075.02 1078.01 Perhaps we could just try to cope. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1058.74 1065.46 But I I mean there's not all the information that is in in the c corpus in there in the segments file. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1065.46 1075.02 I think that is just the um things that are loaded every time, but we have lazy loading, so it can load more than that. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1058.82 1059.15 Yeah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1080.13 1083.13 make our file one of those lazy loaded. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1083.13 1086.04 But I mean I've no real idea how that works. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1091.03 1092.68 I mean that it sort of dynamically loads. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1086.7 1091.03 What uh what are you saying about the w I th doesn't the lazy loading apply to everything? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1092.18 1098.8 Yeah, but yes, but it has um, you know, a basic thing that it loads, I think. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1098.8 1106.16 So for example every time it loads the segment things, it can't it can't not display words, I think. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1108.17 1111.54 You think it i it l it loads the whole of the segments file every time. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1108.3 1109.3 And it eras 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1112.42 1112.91 I think so. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1114.41 1115.41 That's how I understood it. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1114.44 1114.61 Okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1116.34 1118.48 The segment at the moment is split up over 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1117.76 1124.63 Because otherwise in the in the other things there is no information about what the participant name is and so on. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1124.63 1125.2 So 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1126.45 1132.78 in the segments file it's really the very basic that have to be displayed for any thing. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1133.72 1134.08 Hmm. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1134.55 1141.03 But they display the segments in or that the utterances i in their um 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1142.18 1145.76 user interface as well, where the words are y um displayed. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1158.88 1160.92 So why shouldn't we be able to do that? 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1147.58 1153.77 So so they have they have their utterances displayed in their interface. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1160.92 1161.12 Uh 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1153.77 1158.88 So that's they um access probably this file and then they display the words. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1172.88 1180.83 do you think it would be possible for you to do an like something like segments or maybe just a copy of segment which has an attribute for for each segment 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1161.54 1165.02 No but I think it's too early to really like discuss that in detail 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1180.83 1185.27 um but it is like with a with a value with a density value. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1165.02 1170.16 because we don't at all understand at the moment how the internal data structure like how the loading works. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1170.16 1172.88 So maybe if we g if we go ahead 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1187.52 1194.24 Yeah, I thin I mean it wouldn't be difficult to um create a file of the p sh of that shape. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1194.24 1196.45 I mean that would be no problem. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1200.56 1203.26 So would it be easy for you to to tie the things together. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1203.26 1209.54 Like if you're doing it on on the word basis here with those words, that in the end you then tie it back in into the right segment here. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1209.54 1209.85 I mean 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1196.21 1200.56 Would it be easier though, because all your methods are sort of not working with their whole time frame structure there. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1210.83 1212.2 you probably have to do a bit of 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1215.42 1222.89 but um for my segments were the um F. zero measurements and all those values I get from there. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1211.14 1215.42 Um yeah, I I don't know how about you with your words 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1222.89 1233.28 Um I always store the beg uh start and end time of everything I calculated there, so I would just have to pu put it uh yes. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1220.94 1221.39 Hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1233.56 1238.48 So this isn't directly having time references, but you can get the oh, it is actually here. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1231 1233.56 You're doing it time-based at the moment. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1237.93 1238.65 Yeah, it is. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1240.76 1241.68 Okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1241.68 1248.67 So if you slice it up by time, you'd probably be able to just like attach like just some attribute of 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1251.04 1254.94 info val just f to each of those segments. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1268.92 1268.95 A 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1257.68 1268.92 Uh actu but actually my segments are not always the same as their segments, because and their segments, there are um Pause um pauses sometimes. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1267.83 1268.22 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 1268.56 1270.31 Yeah, can you not just leaves those lines blank? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1271.3 1277.7 Um yes, but uh yeah, I mean one segment of theirs is sometimes two segments of mine, that's just what I meant. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 1278.07 1278.39 Okay. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 1276.92 1278.07 Oh alright. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1286.71 1291.63 This probably would be a lot easier would I really understand how they are handling the data internally, 'cause then we c then I could say oh 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1291.63 1295.44 it's easy to just tie it in if you just have it time-stamped that just reference by words and stuff. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1282.27 1286.71 Um I don't understand enough of what their data structure is. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1281.27 1282.27 'Kay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1296.57 1298.46 But t at the moment 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1307.79 1310.33 So you would you're doing i you're doing a word by word base. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1320.65 1325.19 so it would be difficult to write it back to the right position. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1310.36 1320.65 Yeah, the problem is probably that um I extract all the words and then uh I don't um use an I. D. or something for it 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1315 1315.35 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1321.07 1321.45 Okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1324.85 1331.31 But every word does does the word picking, like does it always have the same information value in your thing i does it depend on its position like 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1330.84 1333.36 It depends on the position, I think. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1333.36 1333.76 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1332.58 1334.43 It be d depends on the position. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1336.8 1337.72 Hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1340.08 1343.98 And you're doing this via some software that's like external software, so you can't 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1344.07 1348.06 Yeah, I I could use another a different approach, though. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1348.06 1348.57 It 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1357.49 1359.45 So that shouldn't be a problem. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1347.62 1352.35 So what if you if you if you get the results from that software and you go back over it then with that file sort of,
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1352.35 1357.49 you write an algorithm which which then goes back because they they're in the right order still and stuff, right? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1359.45 1362.55 Oh but this is by speaker here which makes it slightly more difficult. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1357.91 1358.47 Mm yeah. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 1362.82 1363.19 Hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1366.89 1371.07 The problem is that actually NITE X. M. L. probably provides a lot of the tools that we'd need to do that. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1384.38 1389.78 But um uh displaying also a start and end times of every word. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1375.72 1379.13 It could contain end times and words for all speakers of all meetings. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1370.1 1375.72 Yeah, but for example I made a file that contains just the um start times. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1389.78 1395.82 So you could perhaps use it to match um it with your additional information you got, couldn't you? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1379.13 1384.38 I mean that's just the same thing as I gave, yeah, as I gave to you. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1371.22 1371.58 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1380.5 1381.93 In in a temporal sequence. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 1397.87 1399.36 Just in Perl? 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 1395.04 1397.87 Yeah, what did you use to make that file? 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 1399.36 1400.99 You didn't use an X. M. L. parser? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1397.32 1398.99 Perl, a Perl script, yeah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1401.3 1401.71 No, no. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 1402.15 1402.48 Okay. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1416.87 1420.33 So I just could g use the files as they are. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1403.49 1410.98 Um would you think it would make sense to just take um file files by speaker. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1420.33 1422.91 I don't know if that's that would give an output. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1410.98 1416.87 It's it doesn't matter what input I give to um to Rainbow. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1424.96 1436.08 because I mean the whole I thought the whole thing is that you look at the frequency of a word in that specific how often a word inc occurs in a certain topic versus how often it occurs over the whole corpus and that from that it calculates. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1420.73 1424.96 But but would the information density algorithm still make any sense if you split them up 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 1420.78 1421.1 Hmm. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1424.3 1425.2 I don't know. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1426.08 1426.29 Mm yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1440.25 1453.84 It's um you have certain categories, and you measure which words um have the highest information for one category. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1436.21 1440.25 No, it um I think it's not uh versus the whole corpus. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1453.84 1457.33 So it's the categories across each other I think. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1445.42 1445.81 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1462.34 1462.95 If you 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1457.55 1462.34 But would you then not get the typical words for every speaker? 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1466.8 1469.55 But yeah, it's it's s strange. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1462.65 1466.8 Um probably yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1466.93 1469.27 Yeah, I have a gut feeling it's not a good idea to split it. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1467.27 1471.15 Because it would then say how it find that it's that speaker. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1470.32 1471.15 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1471.15 1472.63 No, but I mean it can't be that difficult. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1472.63 1478.35 If you if you already have you have in the right order all the words with a with a score to them 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1482.15 1485.18 So those two tied together have each word and its time and 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1478.35 1482.15 and you have a file which has each word and a time stamp. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 1471.22 1471.45 Hmm. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1477.03 1477.28 Yeah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1481.6 1481.92 Yeah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1488.49 1489.9 Or or value, yeah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1486.88 1488.49 It's probability, yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1490.14 1490.41 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1487.1 1490.14 and and and its proba and its value. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1491.13 1494.47 Yeah, but what what the problem is, I don't know exactly. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1501.04 1505.98 not I am not sure if I can get the right order and the values. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1494.47 1501.04 I think the information gain in Rainbow is ordered by the value of the information gain 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1507.56 1508.46 That's the problem. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1507.95 1510.08 So they're they're at the moment so 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1515.08 1523.67 But if uh it's ordered by information gain, I don't know where the words come from, because it's it has a bag of words representation. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1509.63 1515.08 But I um if the order stays the same, it's no problem at all to i just write back again. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 1520.53 1520.81 Hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1524.43 1527.29 It appears to me that Rainbow was made for something quite different. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1528.11 1530.11 It was made for text classification. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1526.1 1527.08 Uh yes. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1527.08 1528.11 Is it is. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1528.66 1529.27 Hmm. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1530.37 1533.16 So, could you put the more information back in then? 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1534.28 1535.42 Yeah, that's the problem. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1535.03 1543.17 I actually like um um i are you actually sure that Rainbow is doing a measure, like is returning a measure of what we are trying to measure 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1543.17 1548.59 'cause it it seems to me that it's just it sounds like something quite different in in d many aspects. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1547.55 1556.66 Yeah, um what it actually does is that you you put in some documents, and you have several documents per category. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1553.23 1553.64 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1560.07 1567.31 And then it measures um which words are typical for a certain t category. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1580.82 1587.1 it will assign it to that category, and if it's typical for another one, it will assign it to that one. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1557.84 1560.07 Um and you have several categories. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1567.31 1576.03 And if you get a new document, it will um compare which words are in that new document. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1576.03 1580.82 And if there are a lot of words that um are typical for one category,
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1559.89 1560.15 And w 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1567.04 1567.43 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1575.19 1575.55 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1588.28 1590.93 But where do you have the original category information from? 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1606.33 1608.79 And this represents the category. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1608.79 1611.27 Everything that's in there is in category one. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1611.27 1611.35 A 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1591.35 1597.44 Yeah, it's because you have um y um you have um oth different files. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1597.44 1606.33 If if this is your directory, you have um um a diagra um, a directory one, two and three. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1599.32 1599.64 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1606.3 1606.62 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1610.23 1613.14 So where do you where do you have them from at the moment the split up? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1615.95 1617.22 That's a topic information. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1613.72 1615.95 Yeah, but the topic isn't it? 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1613.76 1616.16 Yeah, just split it up somehow, yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1616.29 1623.38 In i in the t in the topics, in the in the human topic s um so you've split them up by topic at the moment. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1617.66 1617.97 Yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1623.36 1632.67 No, I've just um split them up uh somehow um by um there are several documents for 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1641.32 1647.73 So uh it's it's not very sensible at the moment, because I'm waiting for the um topic segments or I'm just yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1634.79 1641.32 um each meeting, and I just put one in each category. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1637.77 1638.25 Yeah, but 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1653.35 1655.1 Okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1655.1 1662.88 Have you ever like looked into different ways of calculating, 'cause I was just thinking like I mean the for example the the infor um what's it called,
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1648.97 1653.35 'Cause I was just thinking that doesn't make sense at all, but yeah, if you if that's just while you're waiting. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1646.98 1648.97 Okay okay okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1662.88 1670.5 the entropy calculation, is that she boxed it under the simple calculation that you could probably write the script in no time at all and 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1667.81 1669.58 Yeah, yeah, probably. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1669.58 1677.31 Yeah, maybe it's it's better if I write it myself, because otherwise it's too easy to just split things up into bins 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1677.31 1681.7 and it it wouldn't be any work at all in terms of programming or something. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1703.55 1705.96 you'd use to calculate entropy scores. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1681.67 1689.01 Yeah, but I'm also just like I think that probably the entropy value at the moment for a word is closer to what we're at the moment looking for. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1715.54 1723.47 and like w basically the score that I'm talking about is a conditional entropy score which just checks how much information 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1730.03 1734.94 in which case they are usually words which tell you quite a lot or a very general word which usually doesn't tell you quite a lot. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1689.01 1703.55 I can just like k k I can sit together with you for twenty minutes and just show you the entropy code that I wrote for my other project and it probably and we should work together because it's we used t we have to we'd use the same matrix as I'm using in my latent semantic analysis 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1705.96 1713.52 And then we'd have um a score which actually which would be the same for the word in each position. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1723.47 1727.06 the fact that there's one word tells you about what would be the next word. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1727.06 1730.03 But that's a relatively good measure of whether that's a very specific word 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1713.52 1715.54 So in that sense it's doing something a bit different 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1695.97 1696.3 Alright. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1703.58 1704.04 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1714.64 1715.15 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1726.96 1727.23 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1731.67 1731.85 Yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1735.06 1736.72 How does it calculate that actually? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1737.32 1741.22 Um it it's basically the it's the standard entropy formula. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1741.22 1742.26 And you sort of you you 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1740.99 1741.42 Okay. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1742.08 1748.97 So how sure or unsure you are about the what's following our b our context measures, yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1759.22 1760.35 Which doesn't sound too exciting 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1749.24 1759.22 I think the official le sort of the official description of what it tells you is um how much that like the fact that a given word occurs tells you about what's the next word's gonna be. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1760.35 1768.46 but it it just works out in the way that words which are promiscuous and which occur with everything all over the place have very low a scores on that 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1768.46 1771.29 and also usually end up being the words which are p 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1748.96 1749.24 I mean 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1747.86 1748.96 Yes, yes, it has. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1758.84 1759.04 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1772.52 1775.79 Least like expressive, and l contain less information. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 1776.54 1777.92 Well like function words and stuff. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1780.75 1784.02 Pr probably like what whatev for example the word computer in that context. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1784.02 1786.89 You could imagine it to f like be in all in all the contexts. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1777.92 1780.75 Yeah, function words or just very general nouns. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 1784.07 1784.27 Mm. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1786.64 1793.2 But do we have enough informa enough data for that it gives us sensible things? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1798.94 1805.14 and if they appear five times in the meeting and they have each time a different,
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1793.2 1798.94 Because I mean the the words we're look really looking for appear not too often 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1805.14 1809.2 you know, differ some different surrounded words, perhaps we have not enough data. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1806.25 1810.31 Yeah, so we would we w wouldn't do it by word, we would sorry, okay,
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1810.31 1815.68 um I was I was getting that w actually, sorry, I was getting that wrong, I was getting it from what I did my project. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1815.68 1820.29 Now in this case, we would do it by per mee words per meeting. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1821.94 1822.73 So 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1823.36 1830.46 Yeah, but that's the sa uh almost I think similar to what I'm doing, because words that are in every class,
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1830.46 1837.09 that are not very informative, but words that are only in one class are are very informative for that class. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1823.53 1824.72 I don't understand what you 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1831.22 1831.49 Hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1837.7 1840.88 Yes, it it's probably doing it's probably doing quite the same thing in the end 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1840.88 1848.54 but I'm just saying like with that thing you would easily have an algorithm which at the moment provides you for each word with a score which we can use. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1846.26 1846.78 Oh okay. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1848.76 1849.1 Alright. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1853.89 1856.19 In this case we wouldn't be doing how much it tells you about another word. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1856.19 1862.75 In this case we would be doing given that you know a word, how good is it at predicting from which um specific topic that was. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1850.57 1853.89 Um no um, I was I was I was describing the wrong thing. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1862.93 1863.43 Yeah, okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1864.74 1867.23 So that would yeah, in that sense it's the same thing here. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1865.66 1867.23 Yeah, that's th yeah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1867.33 1867.58 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1868.81 1876.11 But that would give the same value for one word every time I mean for for a specific word. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1876.11 1882.39 Yeah, because then it would be quite easy to re-integrate it into such a 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1874.93 1877.12 Yeah, yeah, for a specific 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1881.11 1883.12 For a specific word per 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1881.27 1881.61 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1884.34 1890.62 The same word the word yesterday would be would have the same score all over the place. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1884.64 1885.31 per 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1890.33 1891.06 All over the place. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1898.62 1902.48 But in that category it would have the same value at each place. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1891.06 1898.62 And in my case it would have I think it would have different uh values for each category. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1898.6 1899.18 Okay. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1904.16 1905.83 Do you know what I mean? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1904.23 1904.36 I c 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1909.77 1915.22 It would be more dif I mean it would be a bit more work, but then 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1906.28 1909.77 Okay, but then it would also be possible to re-integrate it. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1914.26 1921.78 But but your category thing depends on that we not just have topic segments, but also that these topic segments we have them in categories. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1914.86 1915.19 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1927.29 1929.04 Or several segments for each category. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1923.48 1927.29 You you do wouldn't you need several documents for each category? 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1927.72 1933.57 Um that would be best, but I I would have to look if that. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1932.42 1934.92 Do but will it word without that at all? 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1935.21 1945.86 Um at least it works if there are several categories with each with one document each, but it um yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1936.27 1936.65 'Cause 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1945.02 1947.65 Yeah, I mean s so in our case basically every 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1949 1951.17 every s topic would be its own category. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1968.85 1971.29 Like it it's a very it gives you like I've looked at the result 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1971.29 1976.39 it gives you basically something in the end which vaguely tells you just whether a word is a very specific word 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1952.5 1957.32 And the question is does the algorithm still make any sense in that I don't understand the algorithm enough for that. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1957.32 1968.85 But what I'm really like because the entropical um calculation is so simple, maybe we should look into making that score just as a preliminary score that we have. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1952.95 1956.01 Yeah, that's the questio yeah, I don't know. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1962.47 1962.81 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 1968.38 1968.78 Mm okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1977.46 1978.75 or a very general word. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1978.72 1979.13 Yes. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1979.97 1980.44 And 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1986.61 1992.16 if you mark them as being more interesting than the words which are only very general words, that they would get us somewhere. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 1981.67 1986.61 I like there is some hope that probably having just sentences where there's lots of very specific words,
EN2001b H00 FEO066 1993.87 2001.76 Um and what well, what score would a word get that just occurs once in all the corpus for example? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2001.76 2004.42 Probably one point zero is very high information value. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2005.99 2010.46 Even though there are all the other same topics where it doesn't occur? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2011.24 2012.76 Yeah, 'cause this would 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2014.45 2019.72 Yeah, in in a sense I mean this is a bit like the what like document frequency over total frequency. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2020.48 2020.75 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2020.79 2022.57 Measure it sort of just going by 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2022.85 2023.01 Hmm. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2025.29 2029.79 So would it be higher-scored than a word that um occurs 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2031.01 2031.33 in 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2032.37 2036.09 every um sequence of the same topic? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2039.3 2041.01 What do you mean every sequence of the same 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2044.71 2053.46 For example we have twenty topics, and um for one of these topics there are five occurrences, and we have one word that 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2040.74 2044.71 Yeah, I mean um we have uh s uh our several topics. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2047.09 2047.36 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2055.56 2061.16 you mean like just like from from a beginning to end point, like within one meeting there are several topics? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2052.36 2055.56 Within th within the topic, so like topic we had to when you say topic,
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2062.26 2067.44 Yes, but across meetings um there will be the same topic several times. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2068.48 2070.69 But we don't have that information anywhere, do we? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2073.57 2075.48 I thought that was what you were doing. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2071.48 2072.04 Ah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2072.04 2073.57 It wasn okay. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2083.51 2084.92 But it doesn't tell you what they are, no. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2075.88 2083.51 Well, um when it splits the topics up, it does do it on regular words that um that occur. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2082.69 2083.43 Yeah, but 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2085 2086.75 But but you you are segmenting. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2085.32 2090.34 Yeah, but you make also um segment similarity, I think that was I I thought that would 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2087.29 2087.59 Hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2097.62 2098.55 But 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2089.37 2092.11 Well, I'm I'm doing one on segment similarity in the end, yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2092.11 2097.62 I'm doing like finding similar segments, basic latent semantic analysis. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2091.25 2091.54 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2100.13 2106.06 But like f for now, like your segmentation is just splitting a meeting up into different blocks ver 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2103.57 2103.9 Yeah. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2105.33 2106.92 Yeah, you can't really get any other output. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2105.59 2109.76 And they they are not related then to other blocks of 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2110.13 2113.52 Not not from what Colin is doing from what I no. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2113.52 2121.58 It's only like I'm writing an algorithm that which then tries to also again based on word p occurrence patterns try to link together maybe different ones of those. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2110.27 2113.44 No. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2113.44 2113.64 No. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2112.08 2113.57 Okay. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2113.57 2114.13 I um 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2121.61 2122.16 Oh, okay. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2123.25 2124.54 I misunderstood that then. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2126.57 2127.31 So 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2128.12 2129.83 So yeah, how would it work? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2129.83 2131.02 I mean what would 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2132.66 2136.08 um the his information then be useful for in r Rainbow? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2137.28 2150.65 Um I thought the point about that was that we would put um into s um serial categories all the segments of the same topic across meetings. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2149.79 2151.66 So that yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2167.31 2169.67 So yeah, yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2157.11 2167.31 and that um splitting at category boundaries um splitting at topic boundaries would a nice thing to do, rather than just splitting somewhere. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2149.89 2157.11 Oh no, I li I th I thought something else that we d um we just split I need somewhere to split,
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2152.42 2152.8 Okay. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2164.11 2164.41 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2166.88 2170.41 Yeah, it's supposed to split it into cu coherent topics with the similar information. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2168.12 2170.13 Yeah, but but then it does okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2175.02 2182.77 'cause it seems that Rainbow does in its structure quite rely on having different examples of the same category sort of in in a way. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2171.21 2175.02 Yeah, I'm also a bit b like I'm not a hundred percent sure about Rainbow being the right thing 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2208.44 2212.98 so this word will be not very informative across the categories. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2182.67 2189.38 Yeah, but it I think it should work for just one document, because it it compares between the categories 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2189.38 2199.71 and if you just have one document um it still can find out which words are informative for that category and which are not. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2199.71 2208.44 So if you have just one document in each category, and there are a lot of um occurrences of the word the in each one 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2212.98 2219.13 So it should work for one, but I'm not sure if how exactly it it um calculates everything. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2219.13 2221.44 Uh I think it's not possible to look that up. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2200.19 2200.5 'Kay. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2211.96 2212.3 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2212.39 2212.64 Hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2253.82 2261.64 Which is some measure already of how widespread this word is versus how specific f to a certain segment that is. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2266.46 2268.8 And then we can see how we can tie that in with the other stuff. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2240.33 2245.14 Not which category, like I'm not I'm not lumping together separate topic segments into categories. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2245.14 2253.82 But just like how much this word tells you about wh how likely that w the occurrence of that word makes it that it's a specific segment topic segment. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2261.64 2266.46 And I'll just provide that, because that's just not much more work than just the usual thing. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2232.89 2240.33 which just tells you of how much information the presence of a word tells you about which topic it is. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2222.02 2232.89 You know what, as a byproduct of my L. S. A. I'll provide um a vocabulary like sort of a dictionary which for each word gives an entropy score entropy score 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2240.46 2240.69 Mm. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2252.27 2252.55 Mm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2270.03 2276.44 So if you um keep on working on Rainbow meanwhile and try to find a way how to tie your Rainbow stuff into 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2270.25 2270.48 Yep. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2278.8 2282.8 some way that we can attach it to a certain time segment. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2282.76 2288.17 Yeah, maybe it's possible to have a list that it's o that is ordered by 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2289.76 2291.42 Yeah, don't know. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2291.46 2293.58 I'm just thinking, wh if 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2294.64 2302.39 It it used is each word completely unique, like sort of does it treat each word, each occurrence of word, as a completely unique event. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2307.63 2309.82 We can't just replace the word by an arbitrary string. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2302.39 2307.63 Or does it, I mean, no, it it has to, I mean, basically the the form of the word is important, right? 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2308.26 2308.51 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2311.33 2313.53 Because it looks if the same word occurs again and stuff. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2314.86 2316.81 Um I don't know what you mean by that. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2316.81 2318.45 It's uh 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2318.19 2323.93 like it it it has to work on on on the word, like on 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2314.87 2318.19 Yeah, it it has to work with a m yeah, well I think it's a stupid question,
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2334.21 2339.53 It's the word and that looks if that word occurs again and versus how often that word occurs in other context, right? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2339.53 2343.31 So we can't attach some type of information to the word, just to the word string itself,
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2331.01 2334.21 But that wouldn't work because it needs the word, because that's all it's working on. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2343.31 2346.29 like making an underscore, making the time or something, that wouldn't work. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2325.42 2331.01 What I was thinking is whether if we replace the word by something uniquely id identifiable, then it wouldn't make a different which order it is. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2329.1 2329.92 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2329.92 2330.52 Oh right. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2338.25 2338.75 Mm. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2342.82 2343.34 Yeah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2343.34 2344.06 Mm yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2346.27 2348.55 Yeah, you you can use um 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2345.39 2346.27 Alright. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2350.86 2361.1 some kind of um truncation maybe if you attach a number to each word and say that it should omit the last part. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2359.48 2364.51 But would it have that in the untruncated version then, like would it s would the output be the untruncated version? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2364.51 2367.05 It will probably um no, I don't think it would. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2364.42 2365.91 Uh probably not. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2365.91 2366.92 No, no. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2378.57 2382.09 Yeah, maybe I should try something different and just programme it for myself. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2384.69 2386.62 Because um 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2386.82 2388.59 Yeah, for now, I mean really just like 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2394.92 2397.66 It's let me see if I can demonstrate 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2391.03 2394.92 Yeah, I think if we work together on an on an entropy based score. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2393.66 2394.09 Mm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2398.84 2402.02 T I mean, let's just keep on talking meanwhile and I'll try to start that up. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2404.29 2407.71 It's it's it's really d it it's a very simple thing, but it it basically just 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2427.6 2435.6 Even if you just like if you have segments where where lots of rare words occur, highlighted in darker red than segments where all the very common words occur. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2421.44 2427.6 But uh as as the first step that's probably for for a prototype for next week that's probably not a bad thing, I mean even if it's just that. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2408.94 2412.34 does something which tells you how specific a word is. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2412.34 2421.44 In a sense it's in a it's it's basically just to to a high degree really telling you how r how rare a word is or how common a word is. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2435.6 2437.39 That's just that's somewhere to start from. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2419.29 2419.6 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2427.12 2427.62 Hmm. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2427.62 2427.85 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2439.44 2445.84 And it's it's a bit more sophisticated than that, but then de facto it just ends up doing that mostly, from what I figured out. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2449.76 2450.53 Um 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2456.58 2460.94 Actually I think I'm not gonna not gonna start that now, because that's probably gonna take too long. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2463.04 2463.57 So 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2465.59 2470.41 if we get it on a word by word basis whatever you do it'll probably appear in a word by word basis 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2470.41 2474.59 and what you have on a sort of segment but not quite segment base. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2470.46 2470.91 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2477.59 2484.42 Yeah, I mean I haven't really decided on uh how to really get the information out of this now,
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2493.14 2502.32 But I could give um the information about, yeah, how how important this is to each of those segments. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2484.42 2493.14 because um when I have for example um increased speaker overlap, that applies to several turns of course. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2475.9 2477.59 Yes. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2504.09 2506.52 I mean this is a very unscientific way of doing it in some sense 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2532.34 2538.4 So if you have for each word say and we know that word starts at this segment and ends at that segment 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2524.78 2528.39 and then it would be easy to then go back when if we have the time marks here,
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2502.54 2504.09 'Kay, what about the following model? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2506.52 2515.21 but what if we if we take time as the standard unit for now and sort of like make a massive one segment split super-array. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2548.8 2554.42 And then we could just in m in Matlab or in something just create some massive super-array of 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2538.4 2545.23 and you have for like for some time period w the overlap and that period on the F. ones and that period or something. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2515.21 2520.58 Because everything you're doing can in one way or the other be ti tied down to actual time. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2528.39 2532.34 and re-map that onto onto the length of a segment, you know what I mean? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2545.23 2548.8 So you also have a value which can be tied down to a time. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2520.58 2524.78 So if we if we if for if for each one segment time slot we could attach a value 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2556.64 2563.92 of things for each for each like sort of time sampling slot and and calculate a value for this, and once we have this array, 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2579.66 2580.4 You know what I mean? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2573.9 2579.66 So we take the some of those and divide them by by the number or something, create the average and put it in as the value for the segment. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2565.21 2569.52 we can go with the script and sort of go for each segment to the starting and end times and say okay 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2569.52 2573.9 this is from our time segment f here to this time segment there. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2581.92 2589.83 Yeah, but how can we get to know what makes sense as a a function for joining everything together? 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2589.83 2593.16 Might be difficult to find that out. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2593.16 2593.57 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2589.57 2589.81 Oh. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2591.27 2595.01 Tha that's that's a fiddling play in the end, but that problem we'll always have. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2595.01 2600.6 Because we don't have a useful way of automatically evaluating um 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2602.44 2606.94 We don't have a way of usefully evaluating automatically what's good and what's bad 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2611.98 2619.33 like running it with different different factor loadings and seeing okay, this way it works this well and this way it works that well. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2606.94 2611.98 so it's it's probably always gonna be a question of looking at it and saying okay,
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2608.28 2608.5 Hmm. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2619.9 2634.16 pros um but you proposed um we we should break that down to have um the smallest um smallest um unity um of time duration should be one word. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2634.16 2640.63 I mean, that would be because that would be what naturally came out of her thing. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2619.69 2619.9 Yeah 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2640.63 2641.44 And 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2634.38 2634.65 Hmm. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2636.6 2636.97 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2640.38 2646.3 But it probably be more difficult for mapped t to map for you to map it on so for you sort of i 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2645.44 2652.18 Yeah sure, but I could then if I if I have um the value for a segment, I would perhaps just give all the 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2653.91 2657.31 important wor or mm yeah no. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2657.25 2661.84 You you could always find out how many words there are in an utterance, couldn't you? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2662.61 2662.98 Yes. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2663.54 2663.97 So 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2663.27 2663.54 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2663.56 2673.18 Yeah, but so you say that inst like you basically say w having an array where each each cell is is one like is o is one word. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2673.18 2676.45 And then you would map your information onto individual words. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2672.26 2672.54 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2678.02 2681.01 Yeah, I would say that someone have to break it down, aye? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2680.95 2681.17 Hmm? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2682.12 2685.21 I would probably somehow have to break it down to to that level, yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2685.74 2688.8 Would you be able to find out which word that is and 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2690.46 2691.05 Yes, sure. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2705.05 2708.99 You have get all multiplied with the same value all the ones that are within that utterance. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2708.99 2711.43 That's sort of the combination of of the two scores. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2694.04 2694.3 'Kay 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2694.3 2705.05 and and then we could have like some type of just point in the end where the one scores from the all the individual word cells get multiplied all with like for each utterance or whatever. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2711.92 2714.81 Yeah, probably somehow it should work that way. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2713.55 2714.12 For example. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2714.95 2718.97 And then we'd have to go back again and then put that back into that segment mode here. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2719.83 2720.16 Mm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2720.24 2724.17 So that we because in the end we don't want it on a per word basis, but probably on a per segment base. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2733.84 2736.61 and let her adapt it also to the segment basis. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2726.24 2733.84 Yeah, but then okay, but th at that moment it would be better for me to just make it on a per-segment basis right way 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2728.91 2729.56 So but 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2732.99 2733.22 Hmm. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2733.69 2734.05 Mm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2735.93 2738.94 Oh, yeah yeah, actually that yeah, that's true, so that it's easier if you 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2736.45 2736.63 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2744 2748.34 But you said it wi but you said it's more complicated, because your segments aren't those segments exactly. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2740.58 2744 are able to yeah well, I think that's probably back where we started at this. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2744.2 2744.46 Yeah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2748.22 2754.07 Yeah, I mean mine are only more, but they have the same start and end point. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2754.07 2761.51 Sometimes they're two segments and one with a gap in-between, but um the have um th th they don't overlap. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2758.2 2758.59 Hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2761.92 2763.47 Hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2763.47 2764.84 And their segments do overlap. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2765.23 2767.6 No no, they don't, but um 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2766.6 2768.61 Uh the tho those do or those don't? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2769.37 2769.72 Um 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2771.11 2775.77 they're I mean my segments overlap in the same way as theirs do. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2775.77 2787.67 But sometimes I have um split one of the segments into two segments, but it's easy to match the start and end times to map it to their segments. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2775.91 2776.38 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2783.45 2784.14 Okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2784.14 2793.39 So you could on their granularity you could on their granularity create a score like for each for each of their segments. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2791.33 2792.69 I uh hope so, yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2793.8 2794.04 Mm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2808.41 2814.11 this concerns these following words, and then just make make a simple mean over them. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2801.26 2808.41 because if we know sort of this is going from word to word or it this is going from time to time and then there has to be a way then for you say okay,
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2796.46 2801.26 Well I guess I mean for you, if you know for each word, if you find that out, then it has to be possible 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2800.19 2801.8 Yeah, then we sh yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2816.03 2820.71 I think an interesting thing is if we don't combine your two scores in the 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2831.89 2841.53 like playing around with look like it's playing with different weightings for that the utterance-based one versus the word-based one and sort of look at it dynamically. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2841.53 2842.11 You know what I mean? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2822.21 2824.68 in the X. M. L. file you had, but if we do that in the software 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2824.68 2831.89 then we can probably make ways of playing with it in the software and sort of l you know like adapting some sort of control 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2843.61 2848.65 Like playing around, sort of figuring out what's the best way of combining them by playing around and looking at the results. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2846.07 2847.21 Mm-hmm, yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2849.37 2856.3 We could even yeah, we could even have a look at our different measures, if they um 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2849.4 2851.78 That would be quite difficult, but yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2857.59 2861.92 come up with the same same kinds of yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2857.69 2858.16 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2860.62 2865.63 Yeah, we could probably like make a uh um graphic display initially, at least for our experimenting. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2865.63 2870.91 We'd just place them in different ways and then see how they interact with each other. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2870.54 2874.79 Yeah, I mean that's what I'm already doing with my s uh separate 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2884.64 2891.36 like double value or whatever, like one decimal value or whatever onto onto exactly their segments. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2874.31 2875.35 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2873.72 2874.31 Okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2875.35 2884.64 So do you think y like both of you then can map something onto their segments, like just each of you provide one value,
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2891.6 2896.57 Uh I think if I can provide something for the words, as they are 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2897.81 2900.45 It's stated from where to where the segments go. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2900.45 2902.8 It should be uh should be possible. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2901.28 2902.58 It's stated both in 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 2901.5 2904.1 Yeah, it's tells you even which words it is. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2903.92 2907.26 Yeah, so it must should be possible. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2907.26 2907.7 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2919.81 2920.91 Uh 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2911.34 2919.81 because now we're doing it all by hand and like parsing and un-parsing that thing and it's it's all part of the framework. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2907.16 2911.34 It's a bit sad sort of that we do this before we've truly figured out how the NITE X. M. L. thing works 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2904.17 2907.16 It's done both in terms of words and in terms of segments. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2911.11 2911.45 Hmm. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2918.04 2919.67 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2922.21 2924.84 How much easier would it be if we truly understood this. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2924.84 2925.21 So 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2928.42 2933.18 But yet no one really understands them, the actual X. M. L. parsing. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 2924.67 2928.42 Oh I'm sure it'd be quite straightforward, some of the tasks we have to do. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2927.02 2928.55 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2934.41 2934.56 'Kay 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2934.56 2942.38 I might just change my order of in which I do things and like forget my latent semantic analysis stuff until the weekend and try to really make sense of the 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2952.72 2957.73 so that we don't manually have to parse times and entire things together. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2944.36 2952.72 of the NITE data system now, so that maybe as soon as I've understood that we find ways of doing that in within the NITE framework already 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2957.79 2959.77 You mean by matching strings. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2959.77 2960.84 Or what? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2962.23 2969.29 at the moment what you would do like to to solve this problem is you would sort of like write some Perl script or something that gets this time value out of here and 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2962.04 2962.23 Well 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2968.65 2974.57 Yeah, but what I've done is um a parser, an X. M. L. parser where you can get the start times. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2975.03 2975.76 Okay. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2975.7 2983.17 So, yeah, that's quite easy, because it's it's an attribute and you just s say that you want the values of those attributes. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2982.77 2983.63 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2983.63 2985.77 So provided that you get your words in the right order 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2981.49 2982.77 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2985.77 2992.66 do you think it is an easy task for you to it it's a f relatively feasible task for you to to get just a single value per segment? 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2992.98 2994.7 I think that should be possible. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2994.7 2996.21 I don't know how long it takes me. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 2996.21 2996.35 But 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2997.79 3000.88 And you say you think you're able as well to map onto those segments. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 2996.74 2997.79 Okay. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3001.44 3002.74 Yep. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3002.74 3004.02 Should be possible. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3009.55 3011.95 value A. and value B. both as attributes for 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3003.41 3009.55 And if you're both able to map into those segments, then we should be able to get one file where we have like whatever two values 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 3012.71 3013.07 Mm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3014.43 3014.81 for this. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3017.84 3024.27 And that we could load into a prototype and see what types of disp what ways of displaying this information are there. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3024.58 3024.85 Yep. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3054.05 3065.86 So one speaker had um an average of about a hun one hundred um in one meeting and one hundred sixty in another meeting, that's really that's strange. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3065.86 3071.98 I mean perhaps it's because of laughter or something, that's what I was thinking, but I didn't have 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3033.45 3047.9 but um I just worked um I mean I just calculated the values values for um the average F. zeros and um they're what's c I mean I didn't have a look at the data yet 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3047.9 3054.05 but um they vary quite widely even for the same speaker across meetings. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3030.35 3033.45 Yeah, I hope to have some value quite soon 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3053.61 3053.95 Hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3059.53 3060.05 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3064.52 3064.87 Hmm. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 3064.73 3065.05 Hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3072.46 3079.4 There's probably also social interaction factors in that there's sometimes just a meeting like if people adapt their F. zero to each other, then they're sometimes p 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3073.34 3074.36 I'll probably look at it. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3079.84 3084.33 Yeah, that's what I read in one of those papers uh as well but 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3083.11 3083.62 Yeah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3086.47 3089.27 Yeah, but it could mess up things quite considerably. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3089.83 3094.02 Can you not do something like just like not measuring the F. zero or the amplitude at all 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3094.02 3103.74 but just like the variance of F. zero within a certain time frame and like sort of like just have some part for its very low variance with more the same F. zero and one where there's a lot of more variance. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3103.74 3105.6 I don't well actually I don't know about that at all. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3110.88 3117.77 I when I um let the um just calculate the average F. zero levels,
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3106.77 3110.88 But all this is quite, you know, data-intensive. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3105.26 3106.77 But uh ar yeah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3104.66 3105.26 Yeah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3125.32 3131.62 because um yeah, m I mean we have seventy five hours per, yeah,
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3138.73 3141.58 And that gives us quite a lot of values. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3131.62 3138.73 av average of six speakers, and they're measured every O. point O. one six seconds. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3117.77 3125.32 it I think it needed more than half an hour, considerably more than what have half an hour f to delay it for our meetings,
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3111.6 3112.37 Sorry. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3110.1 3111.6 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3121.62 3122.08 Mm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3125.05 3125.44 Hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3142.9 3143.77 Okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3147.08 3153.18 So at the moment you you just you measuring the F. zeros relative to the average for the speaker or 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3171.73 3175.9 And for those I calculated um the average. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3153.83 3163.8 Yeah, what I did at the moment is um I um, yeah, I got the F. zero values from for each speaker for his headphone 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3163.8 3171.73 and I only take those um the w uh that were recorded at the time where he was actually speaking. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3162.35 3162.72 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3171.37 3171.73 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3176.95 3178.59 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3178.59 3179.84 Ri so the average 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3178.47 3178.88 Zero. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3178.88 3184.2 So that gave me um now one value per speaker per meeting. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3187.07 3187.76 Okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3201.68 3210.41 So that would show you how much relative to how he sort of how he's performing generally in that meeting relative to that how he's in a specific segment. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3198.16 3201.68 No yeah, that that makes m yeah, that makes a lot more sense, yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3194.68 3198.16 so that oka that that's that's your average baseline, okay okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3189.43 3194.68 Um so what you would be feeding in would be just like one value per speaker per meeting,
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3210.41 3210.88 He or she. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3196.42 3198.18 No, that i yeah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3194.81 3196.42 No no, that's just the average. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3210.6 3217.63 Yes, I mean I r just uh needed to have this value now to relate um m how yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3218.33 3221.09 And for you that would be quite easy to translate into those segments. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3217.12 3218.33 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3215.99 3217.12 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3225.1 3225.36 Sorry. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3222.55 3225.1 Yeah, guess I've asked this question fifteen times now. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3225.36 3225.68 Uh 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3222.64 3223.46 Yeah, I think. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3223.46 3223.62 Yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 3224.63 3227.44 Is laughter annotated at all? 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3228.18 3231.22 Um amusement and so on is yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 3228.6 3231.95 Because you could take that on ours out maybe. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 3231.95 3234.28 If you take the laughter out and then calculate it. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3232.95 3237.18 I I I mean it I actually have to look at the data what causes these um 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3232.35 3232.95 Yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 3236.73 3237.07 Yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 3235.36 3236.73 Mm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3237.36 3237.72 Hmm. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3238.92 3245.33 Because it's quite funny to have a m male speaking at two hun two hundred um. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3244.65 3246.85 Oh they w they do exist. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3246.36 3247.27 Yeah, sure but 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3255.8 3258.14 I'm afraid I have to go soon. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3258.14 3262 But not quite sure, I mean is there anything more we have to talk about anyway? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3249.85 3254.28 The Castrati corps of the International Computer Science institute. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3254.28 3255.8 Oh well. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 3263.59 3266.91 Maybe if we meet at the weekend. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 3262.91 3263.59 Not the moment. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 3268.15 3269.08 Oh I don't know. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3281.51 3284.24 and I can just give you those scores and you can do with them whatever you want. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3268.88 3276.22 See, as soon as as soon as I'm halfway through my L. S. A. like basically as soon as I have the the matrix built,
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3276.22 3281.51 if of the document by word stuff, it's very easy to then calculate for each word a score 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3268.25 3268.88 Yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 3280.9 3281.7 Yep. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 3293.3 3297.33 Some of us at least have to work together to get it running probably. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 3285.99 3288.83 So uh no, how about the the prototype. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 3288.83 3293.3 If we want to show him something on Monday, we definite have to work together. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3297.34 3301.09 Yeah, I think Colin, Dave and me will actually work on on the Java stuff,
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3301.09 3307.44 and it and we'll just see whatever you whatever you supply us, we'll try to tie in and visualise in some way or another. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 3307.09 3307.41 Alright. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3315.97 3322.63 So that would give us a chance of meeting in for an hour before that to discuss the questions that we had. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3309.52 3315.97 Um I'll ask Jonathan if we can postpone the meeting to one o'clock. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 3315.44 3317.14 Yeah, that sounds like an idea. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 3323.36 3324.08 Yeah. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 3324.08 3326.55 Yeah, just send us an email and tell us what's happening. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3343.99 3346.22 This is a bit frustrating at the moment, this project, isn't it? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3358.11 3361.47 And it's a bit too far into the meeting for that, and into the project for that. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3346.22 3352.63 It's so like difficult to to get to the point where you understand enough to really feel that. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3352.63 3358.11 I don't know, I'm not feeling that I'm really working at the moment, I'm more just trying to make sense of everything. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3326.82 3330.62 Yeah, I haven't gotten like sort of my confirmation that w Wednesday is fine. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3338.99 3343.99 we said twelve and I'm asking if he can make one. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3330.62 3338.99 I'm not sure if I'm supposed to expect a confirmation for my confirmation from him now or but I'll just email him again and s ask him if we can maybe make it one sorry 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3356.96 3357.22 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3369.83 3372.49 From my very 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3360.83 3369.83 Yeah, and I am at the moment fiddling around with my data and not quite seeing how I get to a sensible abstraction level, you know. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3368.97 3369.37 Hmm. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3381.03 3381.67 you know. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3387.33 3390.57 but to develop the data it would be a lot easier to to have the prototype. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3381.67 3387.33 That probably makes it a lot easier then, but it's sort of it's a boot-strapping problem, like for the prototype we need some type of data 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3372.83 3381.03 I guess as soon as we have a framework in the w in the type of the prototype where like sort of each of us can tie in their stuff and see what it l how how it looks like and how it performs 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3390.41 3390.72 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3392.36 3393.4 Anyway, I gotta go. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3392.91 3397.77 So I mean you will be happy with some data, even if it doesn't make much sense. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3392.39 3392.91 Yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 3393.72 3394.37 Yeah, me too. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3396.24 3396.5 Hmm? 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3397.75 3401.44 Yes, but if it's if it's in a form which is easy to read in at the moment, that would be fine. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3414.42 3421.69 because then we can easily d display them individually, c contrast them to each other and play around with how y to combine them. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3401.44 3407.66 Sort of like if basically if we have something like this segments file, but for each of you like just have one attribute. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3407.66 3414.42 I think it's really easy if we don't merge them before-hand, but if we let them if we combine them in the prototype or don't at the moment,
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3416.74 3419.4 Try uh try yeah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3419.4 3419.63 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 3422.07 3426.51 Yeah, and also we don't have to recalculate if just one 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3427.37 3427.87 Yeah. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3427.87 3433.4 And I mean computationally multiplying two integers or doubles or whatever shouldn't be the thing that slows us down. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3425.38 3427.37 Exactly, yeah. 
EN2001b H00 FEO066 3432.72 3435.24 Yeah, if it's already on segments base, that's not too much. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3435.67 3436.08 Yeah. 
EN2001b H02 FEO065 3437.58 3437.79 Okay. 
EN2001b H01 MEO069 3438.84 3439.43 Alright. 
EN2001b H03 MEE068 3441.63 3441.98 Right. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 20.84 21.33 Ah yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 37.29 37.86 Okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 46.99 47.53 Okay. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 48.26 48.42 Okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 48.99 49.31 Okay. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 48.99 49.17 Yep. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 56.8 59.41 Did I tell you that we've got kind of two-way interaction? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 59.41 63.21 If you control click an utterance, it will play where it should be in the file. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 62.78 63.32 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 87.34 89.98 Now at the moment the application is 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 68.59 71.79 It looks like basically less than n th their stuff 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 77.09 82.6 then we should fairly easily from now get to a stage where we can like select individual segments and click on them 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 63.32 68.59 No, I'm just like sort of like preparing people for um it looks like it looks like really nothing. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 71.79 77.09 but actually Dave has written a whole underlying different structure now and if we hooked it up with my display 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 82.6 87.34 then play that part in a compressed way and display density information. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 89.78 92.89 We should probably set those sizes 'cause that's such an easy thing to do. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 115.88 119.15 So at the moment the display is still dis-coupled from it. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 111.06 113.48 Probably they're just slow at loading. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 92.4 100.94 Yes, sure but so at the moment we have a dialogue act window and a graphical display w I'm not sure. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 109.74 111.06 Yeah, there suddenly they come. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 113.48 115.88 And they don't have the buttons yet. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 100.94 109.74 No, the interesting thing is the sound came when I tried it last time after I I triggered off something by clicking on something. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 119.15 125.23 It's loading your data I'm not quite sure, is this it probably looks like Vera's data from from the looks of it. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 99.19 100.21 Are you missing the sound? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 109.56 110.16 Oh, there it is. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 115.4 115.79 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 125.02 127.49 But the segments are just made up, aren't they. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 123 125.02 That's Vera's data on the display. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 141.93 147.78 But the important thing is this is summarised based on I I realise I'm always pointing at my screen and you don't see. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 156.03 157.68 Usually say we should have just copied it. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 147.78 153.36 So this stuff is summarised based on on these intensity measures. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 169.98 176.39 creates an audio file dynamically from just the chunks that we wanna have, and that runs in synch with what we have in the 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 153.36 156.03 And we don't have the exact audio record for this. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 157.68 164.7 So just to show, Dave has put a uh music file in there, and the music file is playing without gaps. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 164.7 169.98 That's because the way how we handle it at the moment is that Dave prepares an audio file,
EN2001d H01 MEO069 138.82 141.93 So we're we're not loading the whole thing at the moment yet properly. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 132.24 138.82 And this is summarised based on just Vera's data at the moment, from some part of the meeting. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 127.59 132.24 Yeah, the segments are made up at the moment, but the code's there for integrating real segments. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 169.73 170.01 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 180.48 180.95 It's just 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 179.24 180.48 I'm not even sure why I'm making loud. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 183.63 187.15 So we see that running along with playing 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 189.24 194.33 of the music we see the the highlight of the dialogue acts. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 194.98 195.61 Right. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 195.61 196.29 That's pretty good. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 196.77 200.92 You can also control click on the dialogue acts and it will play that section of the file as well. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 206.23 207.19 Okay, s 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 209.97 214.64 So and and that already this part here already is dynamically created. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 214.64 221.07 Um shall I just load it with Jasmine's data, just to see a different Where's the 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 220.6 222.91 Oh that one looks almost com just you need to 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 218.85 220.6 Yeah, if you want. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 224.83 229.28 So uh which version of my data was that, the very first one? 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 230.64 230.87 Okay. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 229.28 230.64 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 227.71 229.55 The original, the very first one. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 227.83 230.07 Quite old. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 230.07 236.09 Yeah, we were b like doing this, we were just concerned with the whole stuff. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 239.52 240.59 Where am I looking? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 238.31 239.52 Am I looking for in data manager? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 242.91 245.09 Is it here? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 245.09 248.44 Is it uh sh is it here where um words importance file? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 236.09 238.31 And Dave, where what am I looking for? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 240.59 242.91 Or is it f is it where the is it where the file names are? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 233.11 233.36 Yeah. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 233.96 236.11 Yeah, v I mean really doesn't matter. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 236.11 237.52 Just wanted to know if I'm just 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 239.87 241.71 Um it will be in program. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 243.07 244.57 Where do I call your display? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 251.81 255.94 Um where it calls which one to get, you just need to change the flag. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 248.97 251.81 No, it is on your display. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 256.1 256.87 In my display. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 257.45 260.3 Um I think it must be, unless I it. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 262.87 264 Uh let me t 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 264.79 265.82 Is it 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 263.17 264.79 How y how do you do the summary? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 264.87 271.08 Oh no, actually yeah, you can change it for in the summary when the summary gets called in program manager, you can do it. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 268.56 268.83 I d 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 272.52 273.06 Just 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 272.61 279.16 So are you basing it on certain thresholds uh over a special d uh s okay. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 276.3 277.01 No, not yet. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 277.01 279.61 It's just picks the top-ranked ones at the moment. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 280 281.47 Okay, so wh where did you say, in prog 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 281.07 284.27 Yeah, the easiest thing is in programme manager, where it makes the summary. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 284.27 285.89 It's probably the best place to do it. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 286.05 287.95 W you know where that is, just about? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 288.17 289.08 It'll be above that. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 289.75 290.52 Above that. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 293.93 295.16 It'll be down. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 295.16 299.14 It's gonna be after the data manager's made. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 299.14 299.76 Yeah, that. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 293.95 294.41 Like in 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 297.69 299.74 In this main in this routine? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 301.52 302.6 A new summary. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 303.14 307.64 There is something read importance with a zero and there is read word importance with a one. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 308.17 311.95 Yeah, th can't remember where I put it. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 311.95 314.7 Maybe it will be in s the summary constructor then. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 309.2 311.06 Shall I swap those around? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 311.06 311.39 Hmm? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 317.95 320.01 Yeah, try the summaries constructor. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 319.45 322.81 Well wha wha what what's the differe so th this is reall 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 322.39 328.48 Well it reads them into separate arrays and then you can just change a flag to select one i which one it gives back. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 325.54 325.93 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 329.74 331.84 Shall I just swap the file numbers around from now? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 332.04 332.73 Yeah, if you want. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 334.2 335.65 Or would that crash anything? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 336.24 337.25 Uh that should be fine. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 341.64 343.22 Oh yeah, and and we really leave a. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 343.22 345.01 Maybe have to find out where. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 344.33 347.56 Yeah, I should make a new constructor that lets you set the flag. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 346.76 347.12 Mm. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 348.06 348.91 Mm. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 348.91 351.29 So you have time this afternoon? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 351.29 352.27 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 352.27 352.84 So here. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 350.61 350.93 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 368.56 372.8 So you see that um i it does something. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 356.17 364.86 So this shows if we see anything at all, then we see at the moment at least that we are definitely be um having a different summary 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 364.86 368.56 just because we're having a different im um important measure. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 372.8 376.1 Like at the moment I think this was yeah yeah, that's an old old old version. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 376.1 382.53 So it shows um and so if you if you think about how the old version happened,
EN2001d H01 MEO069 382.53 389.4 then you see it makes sense that words like prosody, just like a sing if that was the only utterance, then that probably scored quite well and stuff. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 375.31 376.59 Okay. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 373.7 375.31 Oh that's the old old one. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 376.59 378.24 Okay. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 375.02 375.32 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 378.05 378.21 Mm. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 392.04 392.89 Um 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 394.89 397.62 we have to get these buttons, Dave. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 395.01 395.29 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 396.86 397.28 Yeah. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 400.09 406.36 Probably all these uh-huhs and uh-hmms are spelled differently in the thing or what's the problem. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 398.52 400.09 Yeah, probably. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 406.36 410.49 You should generalise. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 398.71 399.24 It's weird. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 399.24 401 On mine it complains about 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 404.43 405.12 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 412.12 416.97 Unfortunately, I didn't get the the bar on the display working just yet. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 416.97 418.22 But that should be a small issue. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 416.2 416.64 Okay. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 418.05 419.77 That's a very old one rather. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 417.87 418.05 Ah-ha. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 419.77 432.25 I think those S. s and E. s and so on, the single letters, are because of the problem with my um first version of the text thing. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 432.25 433.37 'Cause I think the 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 428.19 434.84 We just never bothered to update the stuff, because we were working on so we see that we have a very different density curve as well for this one. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 427.11 428.19 Yeah, I know this is very old. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 436.73 437.38 And 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 444.18 447.24 put a sliding bar into this so that people see where they are. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 465.72 466.03 Or 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 439.37 444.18 Yeah, so from here we go, and it hopefully won't be too difficult to now first of all put the right segments in 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 447.24 450.11 So I'm uh I'm I'm constantly touching stuff on my screen I realise. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 460.43 465.72 Should it always compress a segment to a constant length though, by a constant factor of time? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 450.11 454.2 And and then make selections based on a segment. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 454.2 460.43 Now what we're not quite sure is what's the best way for like how the summariser works. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 470.45 477.51 What would you think sort of if, you know, if if there's a certain degree of of summarisation, what should be the constant? 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 477.96 478.19 Hmm. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 478.41 480.99 Mm, I suppose it should depend on the length of the segment. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 482.32 484.91 So it should always, whatever, reduce it to half the original 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 481.22 482.32 So always like a. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 483.71 485.9 Mm, I guess that would make more sense, yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 488.43 490.61 'Cause an al like an alternative view would be that 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 490.38 493.21 Yeah, but but perhaps more than half. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 493.21 495.49 Otherwise you go in too slowly, yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 500.24 504.15 So if you like if the whole meeting is selected, it compresses the whole meeting to five minutes. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 495.73 500.24 'Cause an an alternative view would be that you could sort of make it that it always is the same length. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 492.72 493.37 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 493.37 495.73 Yeah, well I guess that could be uh adaptable. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 504.15 512.94 Then if one um segment, uh w one topic is selected, then it plays this whole topic in five minutes. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 512.94 519.63 But that's sort of that gives people a bit less control over so maybe we should do it instead that it yeah, it c it you can spec 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 502.78 503.2 Hmm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 523.1 526.58 I mean that's quite trivial to change and we got a lot of other work to do. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 519.29 523.1 I think that to be honest is something we can worry about at the end. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 530.67 532.22 What's there to talk about for today? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 528.88 530.67 What's that you discussed for today though? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 527.03 528.88 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 527.09 527.36 Hmm. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 533.29 535.5 Yeah, I was wanting to talk about the search. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 535.82 538.49 Yeah, we need to get on that pretty shortly, I think. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 538.55 539.41 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 541.79 545.05 Like make an index search and stuff. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 539.41 541.79 Yeah, I'm quite keen to do like most of that. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 543.88 551.5 Okay, so I'll need to do some changes to program manager to be able to handle um changing results. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 549.74 559.05 Yeah, I think what basically what I need at is um just a list of words with an index to start with for each meeting. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 560.67 561.85 What kind of index? 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 562.78 571.04 Um I suppose it doesn't really matter as long as they're unique and it can I can pass 'em back to you and you can use that to the display. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 571.04 572.91 Um yeah, probably. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 568.12 570.15 Take and make them in a hash map or something. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 582.54 582.95 I mean 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 573.22 582.54 Shall we abandon the whole notion of seeing the whole m one whole group as one single thing and just work on a p certainly from now on probably for good that means. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 579.04 580.36 Certainly for now, yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 582.61 582.99 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 583.37 588.39 Oh yeah, do you want you know how you've just got data for one meeting, are you needing more at the moment? 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 582.79 583.37 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 588.94 593.91 Um well from the point of us developing it, it doesn't really make much difference. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 594.36 595.16 Mm, I guess not. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 594.66 594.95 No. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 596.91 599.12 Do we have everything for the same meeting at the moment? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 599.12 602.04 Like is it are you y are you all working on the same meeting? 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 596.98 597.46 Um 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 602.04 603.86 Yeah, I think we're all using the first one. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 603.86 604.14 Hmm. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 604.32 604.73 Okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 606.34 610.66 Did anyone ever check if that's actually a good meeting like or f comparably to others? 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 611.88 614.94 Um I think it segments quite well though, first one. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 619.66 620.08 'Kay. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 620.34 624.71 So you want to send Steve the prototype and we should change data. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 624.71 627.25 Where's the best best place to put it? 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 625.95 635.08 Um uh sorry, the only problem with the first meeting is for ex that there's no um a hot spot annotation for that. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 635.08 638.28 But I mean that's not not a real problem. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 638.28 638.78 M 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 634.11 634.35 Oh. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 639.39 642.49 Do you um take it from from my directory? 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 642.49 644.32 Or do I have to put in in the sh 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 643.66 646.84 Um well at the moment it's just a an old file. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 651.39 652.57 Or okay. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 647 651.39 Yeah, but would you take it from from my directory? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 650.15 652.6 It'd probably be, yeah, best to make a copy of it. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 654.16 654.76 I'd have thought. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 669.68 671.05 It's really bad. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 671.05 675.19 So I think I'm thinking I'll just write out a script and do it with a system call. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 660.13 669.68 I don't think I'm gonna be able to do um the speech tools through Java native interface 'cause the documentation for them is horrific. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 677.87 678.26 'Kay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 677.05 677.87 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 679.68 679.99 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 681.68 681.98 Not yet. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 681.98 684.53 Yeah, the I just don't think it's worth wasting too much time on it. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 684.74 685.11 No. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 684.76 690.35 Yes, it's not really important that we get it like nice and c clean or anything like that. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 689.09 689.33 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 715.93 716.22 So th 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 702.78 707.91 even if it pauses for ten seconds, well that's tough luck then. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 708.67 715.93 think we should just make sure that if it takes quite some time that that the clock doesn't start before or that the audio and the clock are in synch sort of. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 691.54 698.09 Yeah, especially because I mean that's that's that's only done like once every time the selection changes, right? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 707.91 708.67 Uh 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 698.09 702.78 So even if you sort of even if you do an hourglass at that moment and, you know,
EN2001d H03 MEE067 697.64 697.76 Hmm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 706.6 708.17 I don't think it would take that long anyway. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 714.68 715.85 Yeah yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 715.85 719.24 So yeah, it we just start everything after the summary's been created. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 719.24 720.81 It's not a big problem. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 721.3 730 there's a wait for command for an external ca like for an external call to make sure that the external thing is finished because in general like that's sort of running parallel 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 719.59 721.15 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 731.27 731.59 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 721.15 721.3 Yeah 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 730 731.27 I think. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 730.25 730.6 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 735.4 741.63 I have some code for system calls like that handles the in and the output if you need some of that. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 742.04 746.57 Um I don't think I'll need that really 'cause I'll just dump out a temporary file. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 743.54 743.99 Okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 749.48 751.73 Okay, cool. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 751.73 755.49 Um I don't really know what to talk about. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 758.42 758.89 We have 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 771.4 773.46 So that's good. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 763.76 765.96 See there's there's one week after my dissertation. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 769.52 771.4 Which I can work a lot lot lot on this. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 773.46 774.12 Um 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 765.96 769.52 So we're f uh before the presentation of the prototype. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 774.9 778.82 I think we should decide what we want it to actually look like in the end. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 781.06 786.65 'Cause are we gonna have some kind of tree view to represent the meetings and stuff? 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 789.19 789.85 Mm 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 792.3 798.86 Because if if we're not then we'd probably have to make the graphical display display a bit more information. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 804.57 815.42 Um if we're at the moment abandoning abandoning the concept of displaying the whole series of meetings just because it's for us like more bureaucracy,
EN2001d H01 MEO069 819.5 821.1 Or do you think it will, I mean do you thi like 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 801.22 804.57 Yeah, well the graphic display will definitely have more information. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 815.42 819.5 more complexity, and it probably just won't give us any brownie points in the presentation. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 819.01 819.25 Mm. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 820.99 822.67 I uh think it might. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 822.67 833.94 Why, because um i um Steve lay quite a lot of um weight on um you know uh surfing through meetings. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 835.77 840.35 So we should at least provide an overview of different meetings of one group. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 840.35 844.24 At the beginning he um talked quite a lot about that. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 843.99 844.17 I c 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 844.38 852.59 It's not too difficult to do and it's sort of a hack kind of way 'cause we can just treat it all as one meeting. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 849.41 849.78 We're 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 851.26 853.25 As one meeting, yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 857.05 857.61 Like if 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 853.25 857.05 Yeah, and then maybe have some basic information. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 859.31 863.58 But we'll just create like hard segments at the start and end of each meeting. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 863.58 866.27 Like ones that are red instead of black or something like that. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 867.52 867.96 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 877.4 878.24 Yeah, that works. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 872.68 877.4 and otherwise internally we treat it like so we have continuous I. D. s for the segments. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 867.96 872.68 So just a little bit of ad additional information in the display that knows where meetings, picking it over 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 877.89 884.9 So other than, yeah, other than well we'll just create a hard boundary in between each one so you can see the thing. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 876.88 877.89 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 885.29 890.22 Yes, but apart from that we don't really do anything different as if it was just one meeting. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 890.22 891.44 Yeah, I completely agree. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 891.44 897.41 So the only thing it would be that the display gets information about where they are and displays them as hard boundaries. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 887.94 888.41 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 888.41 890.06 I mean that's quite a cheap way to do it. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 910.06 913.2 Uh I think that was planned at the beginning, wasn't it? 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 901.93 910.06 Do we um also present that in this window, and do we do it across meetings? 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 897.92 901.93 Um and what about the similarity measure for segments? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 909.69 910.49 Um 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 913.62 923.27 Yeah, so the initially I thought it was sort of more a search functionality um that simply there's one button that says find similar segments 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 923.27 926.79 and then in the same display where we display the search results from the search. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 922.48 922.8 Yeah. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 933.8 934.01 Oh. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 928.9 933.8 So it wouldn't be displayed in in the uh graphical display. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 927.96 928.9 Uh okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 928.31 928.46 Wha 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 931.58 941.21 Well I'm not so you think displaying uh like an information about similarity to the select uh like to a selected meeting in to a selected segment in the other segments? 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 947.11 953.29 all the similar segments in uh across meetings and separating by uh some things like 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 942.45 947.11 I I'm just coming back to our initial idea of presenting some, you know 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 941.76 942.45 Um no. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 952.51 957.45 No no, I think that's I really don't wanna do that to be honest. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 957.45 959.56 Um it would be nice but like just 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 959.18 961.5 It might be possible to do it in the summariser. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 974.98 977.51 Like if we do a s like a similarity search 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 965.44 972.55 Yeah, but i it it should appear as a continuous thing f for the yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 972.55 974.98 But I'm not I'm not sure if it's worth much bother though. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 977.51 983.24 and just like you say find me similar segments and then sort of like you have a list and you click on one of them and then you go to that segment 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 983.24 989.73 I think that's quite useful um even without displaying them sort of dis-continuously. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 968.8 971.3 Yeah, it will still appear continuous on the display. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 974.8 975.08 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 990.05 992.08 So how are we gonna display the search for this corpus? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1007.41 1015.46 And if it's just the single highest um importance measure o phrase of a segment, so that we have something to display for them. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1022.55 1026.56 then the whole bureaucracy kicks in like this gets the nota notification, this gets the notification. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1015.46 1018.01 Like basically just a summarisation down to one segment. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 992.6 1001.57 Well I was thinking of just like really just a m more or less just imagine those are search results each like each of them sort of them sort of giving whatever. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1018.01 1022.55 And it would just be a list like this and you click on one and then w you tho you know,
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1001.57 1007.41 We should aim to get some names for segments, like just some extraction of something that we can call. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1015.48 1015.75 Hmm. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1021.03 1021.89 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1021.89 1022.46 Yeah, I think so. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1028.21 1028.52 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1028.89 1029.36 Okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1035.89 1041.04 Because yours would sort of give just the segment I. D. s and mine would give the start segment I. D. s. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1030.49 1035.89 And then we could like we could sort of use the same thing for um yours and mine. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1038.9 1039.11 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1042.13 1042.35 Right. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1050.96 1060.94 Maybe se well maybe also something where something ends, like for mine, and some string that we pass to describe what like what it is. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1062.49 1065.94 Would it return just the specific like it would go right to the utterance, right? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1045.18 1050.96 So basically this display would have information about a segment where something starts. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1060.94 1062.49 You wait, your search, what would it return? 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1060.18 1060.51 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1066.52 1069.43 Yeah, I suppose my search will r it returned the utterance,
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1069.43 1073.53 but if you're searching for a word, you need an index for the word and the utterance as well. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1091.53 1096.27 Like you c you click on it and and the selection moves and the display goes to that part. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1077.17 1084.59 So in in your case like it would basically would probably say the utterance here or at least some part of the u yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1075.06 1077.17 Um yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1084.59 1091.53 And in my case it would say some name for the segment, and then you would just click on it and then like the whole thing would kick in. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1073.2 1075.06 Yeah sure, sure sure. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1081.99 1084.16 Um it p it'd probably select it, yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1084.16 1085.5 It would make sense to do that. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1091.44 1091.95 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1100.42 1102.11 How advanced are we gonna have our search? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1110.53 1111.99 but nothing too fancy. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1102.11 1110.53 Because I definitely think we should restrict it to I think we should um be able to restrict it to specific speakers and things like that 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1100.01 1100.42 Okay. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1102.79 1105.25 Very very basic, yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1104.85 1105.35 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1110.31 1114.09 If yeah, if if you can pass me like the dialogue act with 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1109.17 1110.31 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1117.93 1118.37 And then 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1116.32 1117.93 Yeah, was it the speaker. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1117.47 1119.18 Do we have them with a speaker at the moment? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1118.05 1121.25 Oh i uh well, with a speaker I. D. . 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1119.69 1119.86 It 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1121.46 1123.19 Yeah, that that should be enough, shouldn't it? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1121.77 1122.45 Okay, cool. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1123.58 1129.94 Yeah, in fact if someone could create a file with the speaker I. D. s and speaker names. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1129.94 1131.01 that done? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1131.01 1131.43 Okay. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1124.29 1124.93 'Cause you can 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1128.79 1129.93 Oh yeah, I d I did that, yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1129.22 1129.98 Just random sp 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 1131.56 1133.43 So just 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 1129.45 1131.56 Oh, I I have that file. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1131.54 1133.69 Yeah, I d I did that as well actually. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1133.84 1135.03 Is it in the group directory? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1133.2 1133.84 Where is it? 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1137.28 1140.03 Yeah, group data, speaker data, or something. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1135.44 1137.28 Um yes, in the data. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1138.78 1139.16 Okay. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1148.22 1151.69 So you should be able to use that for the search quite easily. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1143.08 1148.22 Yeah, it's um the data manager should be quite well documented. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1148.04 1148.33 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1150.45 1150.68 Right. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1152.39 1152.81 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1155.96 1158.76 So what about 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1160.66 1164.19 At the moment it's ready to like get dialogue acts out with 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1159.14 1160.66 Is it sorry, could I d use that? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1166.45 1168.89 I've not got it reading in the topic segments yet. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1164.2 1166.45 Uh from yeah, on the dialogue act level. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1169.52 1169.78 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1172.86 1175.08 But yeah, all the you can get all the utterances. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1170.81 1172.86 Just 'cause that was lower priority. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1172.65 1173.13 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1177.25 1178.65 Yeah, I should maybe just get started with 'em. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1176.56 1177.25 Alright. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1180.48 1181.72 Making a search with that. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1185.54 1192.14 the dialogue acts and there the player b And here we'd have a search button and the similarity thing button. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1183.08 1185.54 So what about a general layout like this that we have here 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1192.26 1192.55 Hmm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1196.16 1198.2 So where are gonna put the search results? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1196.18 1196.92 I mean we can 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1201.09 1201.95 Um 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1199.56 1201.09 Ah, good question. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1201.68 1207.3 If we move everything to the right a little bit and make a little bar on the left. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1207.3 1208.91 Yeah, like the search results in there. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1215.64 1215.86 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1206.63 1208.32 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1208.32 1209.32 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1209.32 1215.64 I think we probably like we can leave those like I. frames and just arrange them sort of. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1209.14 1209.36 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1217.51 1219.77 We'll get something to print out their locations. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1215.82 1217.51 Like we'll basi Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1214.59 1215.82 Yeah yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1219.77 1221.54 So we'll arrange it in a nice little order. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1221.54 1221.93 We 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1228.83 1229.15 My c 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1220.78 1228.83 Alternatively we'll have like the whole thing running already when we do the presentation and we just arrange it manually. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1227.75 1228.88 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1228.88 1230.36 It's quite easy to do though. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1230.36 1231.55 So I think we probably should. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1231.2 1239.24 Uh, apparently Microsoft sometimes or like at least in the past the demonstrations where they just exactly knew which five percent of the system were working. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1239.24 1242.1 And that's what we're gonna do as well. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1248.83 1251.88 They have all sorts of sc scarily good 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1242.1 1245.36 Has anyone ever seen anything from the other group? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1245.36 1248.83 They have all Ah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1240.72 1241.02 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1244.52 1244.71 No. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1245.26 1249.21 Uh we should try running that thing again, see what it does now. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1249.21 1250.57 Or just delete or back-up it. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1247.01 1248.78 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1250.51 1253.59 Yeah of course, we've got here. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1258 1262.29 That would be evil. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1258.56 1263.41 Oh j so I can print obscene messages in the background to um standard output. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1263.57 1263.99 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1265.56 1266.17 Oh dear. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1268.75 1273.8 If anything we build in a time bomb that only fails if the date is the date of the presentation. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1272.21 1275.57 Oh. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1277.41 1278.89 Yes, because we are nice people. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1281.3 1283.88 Dave, this rate thing, do we have any direct control to that? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1283.88 1288.4 Or is that just directly controlling how fast it plays and sort of we can only 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1287.98 1289.28 It doesn't seem to work very well. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1289.28 1293.75 It's capable of slowing down the audio, but speeding up doesn't seem to work at all. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1294.19 1296.79 That's a pity because it looks like it's doing something. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1297.61 1300.8 You have to pause it and play it for the. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1300.8 1303.34 Yeah, that's uh their clock component. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 1298.33 1301.3 Did you overtake that code from the original thing? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1302.11 1302.44 'Kay. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 1304.08 1306.9 Yeah, but also speeding up the audios and s 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1306.08 1308.83 Oh, it's all part of the same component that does that. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1310.09 1315.89 Um do you think if we override their component and just override whatever, the the action to that slide-bar is? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1316.7 1319.35 Uh no, we'd have to look in their code and see what it actually does. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1324.21 1325.59 The speed up doesn't seem to work. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1322.19 1324.21 It slows it down a bit. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1320.74 1322.19 This thing is really bizarre. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1327.8 1330.32 Yeah, maybe it has a different constructor when you create it. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1329.68 1330.37 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1330.37 1333.44 Also their grasp of algebra is terrible. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1333.44 1336.06 Well yeah, it shouldn't be minus two times, it should be half. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1332.87 1333.12 Is it? 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1336.77 1337.15 Oh yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1337.15 1338.17 I suppose. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1340.67 1343.08 'Cause that'd be playing it backwards twice as quickly. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1343.33 1343.67 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1345.21 1349.57 So if so something like their skipping, would it actually corporate with our system at the moment? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1349.57 1351.49 Would ours skip automatically forward? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1351.37 1353.88 Uh it should do, but you've probably gone past the end of the file. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1354.76 1355.6 Yeah, I realise. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1358.92 1364.48 Maybe they have got um the minus in the code as well, and then something in is messed up. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1357.43 1358.92 Maybe that's the problem. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1366.05 1368.79 I think it's just um it did do it. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1365.56 1366.05 I don't know. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1368.79 1370.08 It's that bright selection. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1365.64 1365.68 Uh. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1369.32 1369.75 Uh-huh. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1374.82 1375.74 Yeah, whatever. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1384.01 1385.1 Yeah, it w it would look good. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1378.39 1384.01 So do you think a tree-view for like an overview of the whole set of meetings would be good? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1382.48 1383.45 Be yeah uh 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1383.7 1391.06 I think this simple this simple st view that we get that you can just like pass things into and then check when they got clicked really. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1384.96 1386.48 Either that or another 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1401.18 1408.09 If we could do something like that that displays like a five line summary when you you're about to open the file or something like that. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1392.22 1401.18 Something that might be quite cool is if you could um you know, like some applications, when you open a file, you get like a little preview. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1401.63 1401.98 Hmm. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1408.46 1413.17 Yeah, I suppose you could calculate them off-line and just, yeah, have a like like a l little thumbnail or something. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1413.23 1413.6 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1411.87 1413.23 Hmm. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1413.41 1416.16 Well couldn't the summar oh no, then we would have to override though. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1415.68 1416.91 The summariser is quite quick. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1416.91 1418.34 It could probably do it dynamically. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1422 1423 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1423 1423.61 I suppose. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1417.89 1418.2 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1418.2 1422 I mean it would be a bit pointless, but it would look good for the presentation. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1420.6 1427.78 Yeah, it'd look pretty and I'm not convinced you'd get any kind of good quality summary out of it in only five lines. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1427.78 1428.1 But 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1426.7 1427 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1427.35 1433.61 But i in a sense I mean if we see uh yeah, but like probably that would be the same thing that we also display up here. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1426.86 1427.35 Hmm. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1447.55 1452.35 For the search results I probably think that instead of a p a simple summary 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1438.11 1447.55 Like really just getting I think getting one or two best utterances for each segment would be really worthwhile. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1452.35 1458.13 something that displays the utterance where the where the word was like displays in a highlighted form where it was found. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1433.61 1438.11 Because I really think that having like some but that would probably even be shorter than five lines. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1459.2 1459.52 Hmm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1459.71 1466.23 Another quite good thing might be um how are you do you know how easy it is to apply two tips to things in Java? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1466.23 1467.18 I've never done it before. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1465.95 1467.66 To to apply what? 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1466.88 1468.91 I've never done it, but I'd imagine it must be quite easy. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1475.51 1479.32 Like the utterance before, the utterance itself and the utterance after. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1468.9 1475.51 'Cause what would be quite cool is if on this search result, you could give it each one a tool tip that had the context. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1479.32 1480.67 So that when you hovered over it 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1478.88 1481.34 Yeah, it'd be nice for a presentation, yeah, yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1489.16 1494.69 and then they are just like something else that's part unwritten when Miles goes over this one it triggers that one to display it or something. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1487.8 1489.16 like if this was the search results 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1481.94 1487.8 Well alternatively we could always have sort of a third small component, whatever 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1497.88 1499.62 'Cause I think it should be quite easy. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1494.76 1497.88 But yeah, if we can get the tool tip, we should use it though. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1499.83 1505.65 it especially with a preview we'll be able to get tool tip fairly simple because it's just a property of it. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1505.65 1510.73 Uh, I've never seen tool tips displaying several lines and stuff though so I wonder how good that'll look. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1510.73 1511.85 But we'll we can try that. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1496.66 1499.83 And a tool tip is I think a very straightf yeah 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1500.02 1500.25 Hmm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1504.54 1505.63 Yeah, that's what I would have thought. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1511.94 1515.5 Um it's quite common in like some applications. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1515.5 1515.8 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1514.99 1515.65 Really? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1518.65 1520.63 But yeah, uh that should be fairly easy. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1515.65 1518.65 Well, so far only seen tool tips of few words length. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 1529.36 1534.92 Um where we have a moving band the graphical display that also moves according to the 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1535.83 1539.28 That's actually just gonna happen today and we will have proper segments as well. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1534.87 1535.83 Yeah yeah, we will have. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 1536.14 1536.41 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1539.62 1540.1 Hmm. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1540.1 1543.34 Is that quite easy to do to get um a moving cursor? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1544.14 1549.79 Um the thing I remember, like I have to find out how to do it without redrawing the display each time 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1570.11 1571.98 But until I think of something better,
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1571.98 1576.92 what I'll just do is I'll just I'll probably not have a moving bar the whole length, but just some indicator somewhere. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1580.8 1583.5 And then I can just like repaint a small area or something. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1560.38 1565.42 So um at the moment I'm just whenever it needs to be repainted 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1565.42 1570.11 I'm not thinking about to do and just repainting the thing as a whole with a moving bar that's not a good idea. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1549.79 1552.33 because the display at the moment does take,
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1576.92 1580.8 Like whatever, just uh a triangle moving at the bottom for now or something. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1552.33 1560.38 you see, like it takes a fraction of a segment to display, but probably too much to update it to completely repaint the whole thing every second. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1580.74 1580.99 Hmm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1582.91 1587.45 Um all you need to do is just one value. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1590.97 1600.97 So if you just remember the colour that it was last at and you re-draw a line behind it of that colour and then the next one. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1587.45 1590.97 Um the height, it doesn't change in value, does it? 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1584.23 1585.57 And the area could be smaller. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1591.06 1591.37 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1607.18 1609.82 So I have to just there's examples t um for for doing stuff like that. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1624.36 1624.82 I mean 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1609.82 1610.96 I just have to read up on it. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1623.45 1624.36 But it should be. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1620.5 1623.45 I mean that's just something that isn't tested so far. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1610.96 1620.5 But yeah, displaying the the current position bar will be easy, provided that my whole calculations of like where we are in time here are all correct. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1600.11 1607.18 Yeah, I have to find I have to find out the the commands for like really just redrawing a small small piece. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1622.3 1622.58 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1645.44 1651.2 we have we have an information density score and and we'll be looking for something else to do? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1651.2 1651.68 Or 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1636.76 1645.44 will will you two just uh keep on working on improving the information density measures or do you think there'll be a point when you say well that's that's it 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1633.63 1636.76 So the the general concept 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 1656.83 1666.41 So I mean if you need me to work on something else, um I can try to finish my stuff um early,
EN2001d H00 FEO066 1652.28 1656.83 Uh f I'm pretty sure that I can uh always find something to improve there. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 1666.41 1674.33 but um otherwise I can still keep working on it, improving it, I think. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1660.36 1660.72 Okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1677.83 1678.2 'Kay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1678.2 1683.98 Well, I'm actually at the moment I don't see how many people can work on on the programming anyway. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1683.16 1686.21 No, right now it probably won't be that much benefit. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1686.21 1687.93 Right now it probably won't be much benefit. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1685.7 1686.21 Hmm? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1688.24 1688.6 No. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1700.16 1703.89 I would have to tag uh some part of it or something. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1698.47 1700.16 But that could be quite difficult. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1690.53 1698.47 Yeah, as soon as I've finished all the meetings I think there's not that much to do unless I get some evaluation method. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1705.15 1705.93 Did we 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1705.43 1708.95 Because if I d if I can't evaluate, I can't do any better. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1709.89 1710.36 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1710.36 1710.77 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1709.26 1709.89 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1711.51 1714.85 Because I don't know how to do better if I don't evaluate anything. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1713.27 1713.76 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1720.24 1727.74 Oh so that's a bit annoying, 'cause like it's my hope we could just go cobble something together and just say look it's great. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1713.35 1718.46 So this is the component based evaluation he was talking about yesterday, isn't it? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1718.46 1720.24 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1727.74 1728.05 Yeah. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1716.85 1718.72 Yeah, he's really keen on that, isn't he. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1716.21 1716.85 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1718.6 1719.84 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1719.84 1720.92 Well I guess I mean 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1717.1 1718.6 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1718.75 1719.24 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1726.02 1729.38 Yeah, I was just gonna do some sort of informal evaluation. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1726.14 1726.68 Mm. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1732.79 1738.43 So okay, we've been talking about evaluation l in the first report and there's nothing new we can say about it this time. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1747.11 1750.82 We said we're not gonna go oh, but now I expected it in more detail and Oh. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1726.66 1732.79 Uh I was a bit pissed off yesterday about that part because it was sort of just like a decision we had taken. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1738.43 1741.35 And I thought we said that in the meeting before we wrote the report. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1741.35 1743.53 And then he came back with this whole criticism saying like oh,
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1743.53 1747.11 you didn't say anything about um evaluation and then yeah, but we did that in the last report. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1737.88 1739.14 Yeah, I did say that. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 1739.76 1740.16 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1741.33 1741.6 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1751.49 1752.87 Yeah, he did give us eight out of ten though. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1753.33 1759.72 If that translates to eighty percent, like if if those actually translate to to really like their percentage scores, then that would be good. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1753.35 1753.74 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1764.83 1767.76 'Cause it's I thought they were thirty percent each. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1760.08 1764.83 I think they do 'cause that's the first um sixty percent or isn't it? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1761.55 1762 Hmm. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1764.1 1764.88 Sixteen? 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1765.09 1765.45 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1766.8 1767.02 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1795.08 1798.11 So that's a good sign 'cause it shows that he's not hell-bent on 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1768.3 1772.31 What? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1778.35 1781.35 Um how much do you think there were? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1781.35 1783.31 Ten each. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1784.51 1791.66 We also it it just means that he's relatively lenient because I mean the reports were I think they were ok good reports. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1783.31 1784.51 Not bad. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1772.31 1778.35 There were forty percent each and this is how they became sixty percent Now what Okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1791.66 1795.08 But like probably somebody else wouldn't have said they were excellent. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1768.36 1769.68 No I think they were ten percent each. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1768.85 1769.45 I don't know. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1769.45 1770.89 Ten percent each. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1770.89 1771.23 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1769.6 1770.66 Only ten percent. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1770.82 1771.22 Yeah. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 1770.98 1771.29 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1775.59 1776.69 I thought they're thirty. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1779.84 1781.07 I think they're worth ten percent? 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1780.73 1781.45 Yeah. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1781.45 1781.75 Yeah. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 1781.06 1782 Yeah, ten percent. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1795.33 1795.64 Hmm. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1797.92 1800.99 Yeah, I suppose he can see that we're putting the work in. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1800.35 1800.74 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1800.86 1805.7 Uh And then he'll see the final display and he'll realise that it was all fake, that we didn't actually do any of the work. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1800.94 1804.32 No, but it's 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1805.95 1813.1 'Cause I think we'd rampantly underestimated how long it'd take to do the actual uh software engineering bit. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1809.73 1810.29 I 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1811.63 1815.61 Yeah, that yeah, that interface and integration, yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1817.71 1818.54 See the thing is 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1827.48 1828.99 That's not a new statement at general. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1821.52 1827.48 Like for me personally, I think a lot of work will be done in in the last minute, in this specific case. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1828.99 1829.29 But 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1831.01 1840.68 Like the week just before the presentation, I have most of the stuff that I I'm doing now, I'm rid of it, including the dissertation and DIL. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1835.01 1835.27 Mm. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1841.28 1842.32 Yeah, same for me. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1839.99 1841.28 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1843.55 1852.36 See I'll probably just be starting stuff then 'cause I'll be starting the uh S. N. L. P. thing and the D. M. project. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1843.56 1844.16 So 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1850.02 1850.49 Oh yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1851.96 1852.37 Hmm. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1852.12 1853.53 Oh no, I forgot about that. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1853.94 1855.65 What are you doing for your D. M. project? 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1858.63 1860.61 You get like a document for each exhibit. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1855.74 1858.63 Um I'm gonna do like an on-line museum archive. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1860.36 1860.68 Oh. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1867.02 1870.83 I'm gonna make one for guitar tablature. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1871.36 1873.88 But I I think it might have been bit off more than I could chew. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1873.88 1875.16 So I think it's gonna be quite hard. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1864.92 1867.02 He went about code M. L. . 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1862.15 1864.92 Is yeah, I kind of nicked the idea. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1870.83 1871.36 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1869.7 1870.8 Oh that'd be quite a good one actually. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1868.34 1869.7 Oh yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1875.43 1877.73 Yeah, would you have to do like music notation and stuff? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1884.16 1884.38 Uh 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1878.4 1884.16 Mm well tab doesn't usually have music notations, just um pitch information. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1882.03 1882.26 Right. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1884.04 1885.66 Okay, that's n not so 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1887.07 1888.41 See how far I get anyway. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1890.91 1897.56 So Jasmine, if if you got something like this and like this for for your current data, would that help in 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1898.71 1899.95 Um 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1899.88 1901.98 I sort of have been promising this for a week now I realise. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1901.98 1902.92 I'm gonna give you 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1907.93 1908.14 Yeah. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1903.44 1907.93 Don't know if it's that n yeah, it might be of help. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1901.13 1903.44 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1914.11 1915.16 So I just didn't 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1907.65 1909.03 Uh, 'cause it's empty at the moment. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1909.03 1914.11 I mean Dave i it's a pretty much r it sh should be a question of copying it over it r over, right? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1914.7 1917.52 Well you can easy add a command line parameter. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1913.41 1914.7 Mm yeah. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 1917.89 1919.43 It's not essential though, I think. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1919.65 1920.2 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1923.14 1930.24 Can probably add a open file dialogue box with minimum effort because I think it's a ready-made component that returns a string for a file name. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1926.25 1926.56 Mm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1933.89 1934.36 Possible. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1930.93 1933.89 It may even return a file directly. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1933.59 1936.1 Or that w yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1936.1 1938.16 So we can do that today? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1942.75 1948.94 It doesn't really make sense to call it file open or anything like that 'cause that's it's more like an option. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1939.78 1940.63 Probably. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1940.63 1942.75 Um the thing is, it I don't know. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1940.63 1941.06 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1950.87 1951.81 To set the par. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1955.02 1955.91 Yeah, but why don't we? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1955.41 1957.86 Because it reads everything just from one file. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1958.63 1962.26 Yeah, I know, sure it j like it it would not necessary need to be a part of the final thing 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1964.46 1968.49 even if it does it automatically in the beginning as a start-up option, just to ask for a file name. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1962.26 1964.46 but why don't we just provide some means,
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1968.49 1973.13 'Cause then we can just publish a script that you just run and then this whole thing starts. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1967.33 1967.64 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 1973.82 1974.07 Hmm. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1975.1 1979.58 You know what happened to me today, like I forgot about the whe I'm not sure if we had that problem before,
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1979.58 1985.44 finding the Java media, the Java X. media stuff on all the jars for that. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1992.06 1994.11 And then I got that thing. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2000.37 2007.78 You're yeah, f so you're automatically producing the right format with this no um with just per utterance. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1985.44 1992.06 Yeah, I was like suddenly panicking at eleven when I realised God, I just thought it would be very straight-forward to get it going here. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 1994.11 2000.37 Yes, so um if we do a version which automatically opens up a file open box. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 1983.51 1985.46 Oh yeah, that did happen once before. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2005.68 2005.83 Hmm? 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2008.72 2012.56 Uh yeah, f per utteran uh I print the utterances in the I. D. . 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2012.56 2016.83 Uh no, the the I. D. of the utterance and uh the measure I think. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2012.53 2013.01 Okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2017.19 2025.2 So would it be easy slash dissu difficult slash impossible like at the moment if we skip to a s treating a whole series as one thing. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2016.24 2017.19 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2025.2 2030.09 So like creating one file for the whole series that gives the uttera the ideas from top to bottom and 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2030.58 2032.5 Or even just the entire corpus. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2032.5 2034.81 That's what um Colin's file has got. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2035.47 2038.52 That shouldn't make too much difference. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2038.52 2043.87 If I just take well m a file or where one meeting is in or 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2036.56 2036.79 It 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2035.52 2036.56 But the entire corpus. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2045.36 2048.41 concatenate all those, shouldn't be too bad. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2048.98 2049.44 Hmm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2051.05 2053.84 It's it's easy to load that much just text. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2050.62 2051.05 Does his? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2060.3 2065.41 Like I think we should go for like for one group, not for the whole corpus. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2057.94 2060.3 Where do you think you can uh produce something like that. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2056.4 2057.94 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2073.8 2079.76 And it means you have to read through the list of utterances when you're compiling all the data over and over and over and over again. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2065.83 2073.8 Uh I think it makes more sense to go for the whole corpus because the meet the um the I. D. s gonna have gaps and stuff in them otherwise. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2079.67 2090.27 So so you want um the dialogue act numbers to be um continuous throughout the corpus so that second meetings begins with three hundred um something. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2079.67 2080.62 No no n 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2085.55 2085.88 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2087 2087.31 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2087.42 2087.78 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2089.59 2089.92 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2096.67 2101.21 A and for one group that's true because it's sort of like their meeting's you know, like that one meeting and then 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2090.07 2096.67 Yeah, no but Dave um yeah, so tha that's what I was thinking that like the second meeting should continue till the first one's stopped. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2100.1 2106.53 Well a at the moment the main data i that's just uh uniquely numbered throughout the entire corpus. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2107.59 2108.06 Hmm? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2108.42 2115.48 Well at the moment from the dump file, it's just got them uniquely numbered throughout the entire corpus. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2115.87 2116.1 Hmm. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2119.81 2121.53 Okay and and that's the 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2117.34 2119.81 The utterances. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2118.46 2118.73 Hmm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2121.13 2127.33 And it makes more sense to do that anyway because um that means you got more flexibility with how you want to group them. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2127.33 2133.84 And one thing you really don't want is ever to have two utterances that could potentially have the same I. D. . 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2142.51 2142.98 Whereas 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2137.86 2142.51 sort of like until here it's the meeting about this thing and then it's that thing and then it's it's this like. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2135.44 2137.86 But it just doesn't make sense in the logic-wise 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2142.59 2145.67 Yeah, but that's the point of the data manager is to manage all that. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2143.94 2157.69 Couldn't we couldn't we just um take the um a name each um each dialogue act um meeting dot um dialogue act number. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2157.69 2159.46 It would be a la longer name, but 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2157.08 2160.82 It's possible, but it's it's not really much point. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2160.82 2169.52 'Cause at the moment it's got quite nice property that the dialogue act number also coincides with the array index number in the array of dialogue acts 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2169.52 2170.42 which is quite nice. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2169.57 2176.11 Whereas uh s mayb maybe we're talking k like so so your data manager, would that then handle the whole thing? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2176.11 2181.09 Would that handle it that this would only like the display would only display one group? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2180.42 2182.91 Well you could you could choose whatever you wanted. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2183.79 2185.75 Yeah, so if I mean I don't mind where it's done. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2185.75 2199.54 So if the data manager filters it out and like I just think that in in the logic of the programme it's it's much easier to justify why we say we treat a series of meetings as one single thing rather than w 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2207.58 2214.94 And those might not be the ones that we enumerated as one meeting, in which case you're gonna have conflicting I. D. s and things like that. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2214.94 2216.94 Whereas the da if you do it in the data manager 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2202 2207.58 You might want to display all meetings that had a particular phrase mention, say. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2198.62 2202 But you may not be interested in the same series each time. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2216.94 2224.3 you can control any logic like that programmatically rather than doing it by hand and setting it in stone for all time. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2214.89 2215.19 But a 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2231.34 2236.37 I b like would just I would find logical reasons for why you can sugg say peop 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2237.27 2239.65 Like it separates the data from the programme logic. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2235.92 2237.27 Well it's just good practice. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2239.65 2243.14 What you're talking about doing is embedding some of the programme logic in the data. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2245.14 2252.91 Uh but I see this two completely g def like I see each ser each group is completely separate amount of data that shouldn't 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2251.19 2254.84 Yeah, but that's a decision we're forcing on the user when we don't have to. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2276.63 2278.05 Okay well, if that's possible, yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2257.26 2264.23 But would it still like would we still in the logic of it still have continuous I. D. s if we say we take just just one meeting. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2255.21 2257.26 Okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2264.23 2276.63 Like would would the display for example still be able to just say I want from whatever from the first until the last and and everything in between sort of and and the data manager would then display that just for that meeting. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2274.56 2275.88 Yeah, I don't see why not. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2279.86 2284.17 Have you currently got continuous I. D. s for your topic segments? 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2286.14 2287.32 But yeah, th that's the plan. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2283.4 2286.14 Well I have I've only done the first meeting. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2286.44 2288.68 Oh okay, I thought you had done all of them and 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2290.26 2291.73 Yeah, sorry, for topic segments I have. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2291.73 2295.42 But for the utterances I've just got one meeting so far. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2295.42 2297.41 But the idea was that it would be continuous. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2289.01 2290.26 Um for the topic segments? 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2290.11 2291.3 Yeah. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2291.3 2291.53 Yeah. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2295.15 2295.44 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2296.77 2297.11 Yeah. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2298.19 2298.62 Okay. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2299.23 2302.86 I think it sh everything should be like that, continuous in chronological order. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2303.26 2303.54 Okay. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2304.84 2309.55 Is that what v what you've got, because um because the different meeting series overlap. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2311.38 2312.08 I think. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2311.46 2311.73 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2313.44 2314.37 Remember how did I do it. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2317.48 2319.59 A problem um yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2318.92 2319.23 Hmm. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2320.48 2321.1 I don't know. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2333.46 2333.98 I mean 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2321.4 2333.46 For example as there are not um F. zero values for every speaker or on sometimes not for every meeting, um how will I count that up? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2327.33 2329.42 I'm not sure, I haven't really looked at the data. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2334.69 2337.17 If there's no value, I guess you have to put a zero in. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2340.16 2343.87 At the moment I don't even generate any document uh document for those. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2339.58 2340.16 Ah okay. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2344.07 2344.44 Yeah. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2345.73 2349.84 But because I mean it's not zero, it's just a noun. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2349.84 2349.94 Hmm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2351.73 2354.34 Well it might be more sensible to assign it an average value. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2365.23 2365.67 The 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2359.04 2365.23 But wouldn't it be better for the importance measure if that just wouldn't be part of it then? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2367.03 2370.31 Well we'd w only use F. zero when it was present though, wouldn't we? 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2371.77 2371.94 Hmm? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2372.31 2375.08 We well we'd want to use F. zero when it's present. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2375.98 2378 Yeah, that's what Vera said. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2378 2379.52 No. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2379.52 2386.63 So you you'd you'd also say that it shouldn't be part of the importance measure if there's no F. zero. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2387.4 2387.65 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2396.5 2400.09 Bu if that's done in the programme or if that's done off-line. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2391.91 2396.5 Well, I I don't know how we're gonna do the fusing of the different if inf importance measures anyway. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2390.13 2391.91 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2394.59 2394.98 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2400.12 2403.12 I th think it should be done in the program 'cause we're probably gonna want to change it. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2401.63 2405.4 Yeah, in the summariser it'd be the uh ideal place to do that. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2402.32 2403.26 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2403.26 2403.66 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2405.19 2405.69 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2414 2419.06 I mean uh there's probably logical ways, like if one is whatever, if one is the darkness and the other is the redness or something. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2423.48 2427.77 Because then we could do Jasmine's and and Vera's probably in the same scale. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2419.06 2423.48 Has anyone ever experimented with sort of displaying two-dimensional information in in colour? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2408.52 2414 what's a good way of displaying two types of information in the in the colour display. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2405.69 2408.52 Does anyone have a good idea like at the moment to play around with it 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2427.55 2431.98 You could use um red green and blue to display up to three. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2433.48 2434.14 Yeah. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2433.48 2441.01 Yeah, but do we really want do display them separately because the user won't okay, for now for our s okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2436.44 2438.64 F for now. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2439.48 2441.69 Like yeah, for us. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2438.64 2439.48 No, for now. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2442.63 2448.23 Might be interesting to the user though, just the word importance maybe. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2458.73 2460.38 Uh I think that wouldn't be a good idea. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2448.14 2458.73 Yeah, but then the user would have to know about what s w was what and what contributed to the blue stripes and what contributed to the red ones. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2449.51 2449.54 S 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2448.69 2449.51 Hmm. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2452 2454.51 Yeah, I think we sh we shouldn't 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2451.16 2452 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2455.19 2455.23 T 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2456.98 2460.65 We should assume a n assume a non-linguistic user. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2469.57 2475.96 Wha what's does anyone know what this hue and saturation thing, like what that no, nobody's done much colour work. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2465.96 2469.57 Yeah, so um I'll try the red green blue. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2462.92 2465.96 But I think probably for us, like in developing it, it would be interesting. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2465.19 2465.46 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2477.86 2478.16 But 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2476.07 2477.86 Well, I don't know how to do it in Java. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2480.46 2481.36 Like I think it's 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2478.88 2480.46 Oh actually it's not a problem of doing it. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2484.15 2489.12 Like it comes up to like red two or three times and stuff like that. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2481.13 2484.15 The trouble is that hue isn't a very sensible scale. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2490.04 2496.73 Okay, well I guess I'll just take a look at the Photoshop colour cube or whatever it is, GIMP colour cube, and look at 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2487.92 2490.04 Okay. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2499.66 2502.75 Or you could just split it into two blocks, I suppose, for now. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2504.3 2506.51 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2506.51 2506.75 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2522.12 2523.55 Would we be able to do that? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2521.32 2522.12 Is that right, Dave? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2523.55 2528.6 And and then you'll get this type of display with that file. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2513.19 2521.32 'Kay, so we'll produce a version of this which opens up with a dialogue box um where you can select a file? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2522.15 2522.5 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2538.05 2538.58 Switching. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2531.3 2535.84 And that's uh at the moment are w so are we are we still talking about using that one meeting that everyone is using now? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2535.84 2538.05 Are talk about swat swi swapping now? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2537.81 2542.76 Well there's no reason why it can't swap meetings at the moment if the data's there for it. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2546.53 2549.44 So everyone should produce stuff for the whole corpus now? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2549.44 2549.89 Or 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2544.86 2546.53 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2549.57 2553.27 Yeah, that's most sensible way to do it, I think. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2551.64 2552.04 Okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2553.98 2554.44 Okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2559.91 2562.91 Like sorta whi from which utterance which utterance it goes and stuff. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2556.57 2559.91 We need the explicit information about each meeting then. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2569.07 2571.23 Like there's access classes all defined for that. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2563.52 2569.07 Yeah, that's well, it's not reading that in yet, but that will be part of the data manager as well. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2569.06 2572.55 Is anyone is anyone providing that at the moment? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2572.55 2573.42 I didn't does any 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2572.9 2574.06 Yeah, it's in your file, isn't it? 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2575.32 2576.26 Mm. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2576.26 2576.53 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2577.21 2579.91 'Cause each utterance has got an I. D. associated with it. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2579.98 2580.21 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2580.41 2581.58 Okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2581.58 2581.92 Okay. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2581.83 2598.94 Couldn't we couldn't we write one programme that calculates all the um f for all our different contributions to the importance measure the um a absolute um dialogue act numbers for the meeting. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2581.57 2581.83 Okay. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2601.01 2606.52 Because at the moment we all produce the numbers for each meeting separately. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2601.02 2601.67 I don't know. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2607.32 2607.92 Well if you 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2611.84 2612.23 Three. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2607.42 2611.84 So just keep yeah, just enumerate up for the next number. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2613.31 2617.34 Yeah, but we should all use the same programme, I think. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2617.34 2622.73 Would prevent us from having too much mistakes in it. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2622.73 2626.41 Or at least uh the mistakes would be consistent. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2615.94 2616.15 Hmm. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2625.43 2627.02 Yeah, we should be consistent, yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2644.11 2645.03 Yeah, I'm not sure about 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2646.42 2646.71 that. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2648.55 2653.54 As in I just don't understand much about how difficult it is to do to do different things. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2655 2656.52 No, it's not really difficult. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2656.52 2656.92 It's just 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2665.94 2676.56 I can read in the different um importance measures and then re re-calculate the numbers. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2664.95 2665.94 Yeah, I mean I can do it. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2672.72 2674.34 Well as l as long as yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2677.34 2682.96 As long as everything's in the right order, it shouldn't like we should even be able to just I. D. it when we're reading it in. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2683.8 2690.29 But we have got the index um for converting from Vera's I. D. s to to yours. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2690.29 2692.92 So it shouldn't be a problem, should it. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2696.6 2699.37 So that's what that was quite easy to do. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2692.92 2696.6 Yeah, I've done that for the correlation as well. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2690.82 2691.75 Hmm. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2691.75 2693.18 Yeah, it should be easy to do, yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2693.36 2693.71 Hmm. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2702.07 2702.54 'Kay. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2702.23 2705.38 Have you got that for no, it's just for one meeting at the moment. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2708.8 2709 Yeah. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2705.73 2708.8 Yeah, I've got the indexes for all the meetings I think. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 2707.52 2708.42 Oh okay, sure. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2714.81 2720.28 Yeah, so if we email out a script on how to like f load it 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2722.58 2729.94 Um so yours would always like yours would always be loaded in, I guess. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2729.94 2734.63 Like you y there would only be one version of your data, and you can just override that version if you want. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2734.63 2737.47 But you wouldn't have a file open dialogue box for that then. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 2738.47 2739.25 No, I don't think so. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2740.33 2747.61 Well that's what I meant is it's a bit pointless having it as file open 'cause it will be opening those files all the time. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2756.83 2760.48 But when it starts up it should just read them from the default place. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2752.03 2756.83 Or just so you can configure the the location of all the files as an option. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2747.61 2752.03 It's more sensible to have it as an option and the location of them. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2750.17 2751.72 Well what would the option be? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2762.22 2773.79 but like so make it an option which one it displays or which one it uses for the summarisation or 'cause it 'cause I was just thinking sort of so that both Jasmine and Vera could um see their data working and 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2761.91 2762.22 Okay 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2767.78 2768.87 Yeah, that makes sense. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2773.36 2784.4 Oh, of course t there's no reason why we can't make a development version that displays both, has two win utterance windows and uh two graphical displays. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2784.4 2787.48 I mean obviously you it'd have to pick which one to synch the clock to. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2788.06 2789.69 Mm is that not getting too much? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2790.64 2793.47 To add another dialogue act window is really easy. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2798.33 2802.28 So we would have like each of those components for 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2804.32 2806.32 for Jasmine and Vera. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2806.32 2806.58 Yeah, I know. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2816.86 2818.83 Or maybe three actually. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2813.12 2816.86 So like the top half one, the bottom half the other. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2805.63 2813.12 Oh like say if you could make a um change to your thing so it could display uh like it in two halves. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2818.83 2826.06 Maybe top half one, bottom half the other and the third one an average that we can change the parameters for. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2813.97 2815.51 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2815.51 2815.73 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2826.92 2827.31 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2830.83 2835.2 And then yeah, I could easily make it throw out three different dialogue acts. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2836.31 2842.39 But would that not require three clocks and I but that but but that also means 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2839.48 2843.73 No, I'd just have two of them not synched up because it's just for evaluating the data. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2845.6 2846.33 Okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2846.33 2850.94 'Cause the dialogue uh the display also gets the information about like the relative and the absolute times. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2850.94 2854.64 So that would be convenient if that just if there's just one of that, 'cause otherwise it's getting messy. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2855.89 2859.95 Oh right, yeah, I see what you mean. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2859.95 2862 Oh no, no, it's still good, because um 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2856.71 2859.78 So why don't we just make a swap ins why don't we make a switch instead, like 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2866.44 2867.55 Yeah, I know what you mean. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2864.72 2866.44 Oh no, it isn't. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2865.82 2869.6 I don't wanna do like three like three internal time-scales so that's just getting messy. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2869.08 2869.61 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2882.62 2885.14 which is which file to load, and and then it's just there. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2873.52 2882.62 Well I guess really I mean like alternatively why don't we go for the simplest thing and just create three scripts or two scripts which load a parameter uh f common line parameter,
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2879.07 2879.88 Yeah, I suppose. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2885.27 2888.07 No, hold on, you it wouldn't need three internal time scales,
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2894.38 2899.33 That's what's displayed on that, the bar, is real time, isn't it. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2899.33 2901.18 So they would all be in the same time scale. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2888.07 2894.38 'cause only one's synched to the clock or it c and the others are all absolute real time, aren't they. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2889.86 2890.29 Okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2898.32 2898.74 Yep. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2902 2902.69 Okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2902.69 2903.68 Would the others 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2906.82 2910.74 Oh you oh you just have three summarisers, and then they're all synched up with one clock. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2911 2915.02 No no, only one of them synchs, and two of them are just yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2912.79 2915.19 Okay, the other one is just a static dialogue acts box. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2916.95 2918.01 'Cause it doesn't really matter. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2918.01 2921.65 They synch up for the purpose of evaluating the data. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2926.4 2927.62 Like three or 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2922.17 2924.34 Okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2920.99 2922.17 Okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2924.67 2926.4 So we have three colour displays. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2924.34 2924.67 Yep. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2927.45 2928.03 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2928.03 2930.09 I mean not in the final version, just for now. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2930.08 2933.78 Or maybe just start with just two like without even combining them in any sophisticated way. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2929.41 2930.08 No no, sure. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2933.78 2937.38 Just just two. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2937.38 2937.6 Yep. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2934.66 2935.01 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2943.21 2945.52 Sor sorry, I'm imposing. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2941.88 2943.21 'Kay, shall we wrap that up? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2946.8 2951.42 How easy would it be to make it so you can add arbitrary numbers of them do you think? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2952.29 2953.49 You mean discontinuous? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2953.62 2956.58 No, like uh different measures to the display. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2958.07 2967.23 If I have to do it f like flexibly, then I probably then it will not be significantly more difficult. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2967.23 2969.22 But is it worth any effort though I mean? 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2968.7 2972.48 Well that's the thing, if it's gonna take more than like an hour or something, it's not worth it. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2991.96 2992.98 So that might 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2986.69 2991.96 But then also we'd have to find more sophisticated ways of loading it, specifying the parameters. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2974.54 2977.91 'Cause we'll never have more than two and we'll never ha well, we'll either have one or two. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2977.91 2986.69 So in the end 'cause you don't have different versions of well, I guess you probably would have. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2976.45 2976.9 Yeah. 
EN2001d H00 FEO066 2984.54 2984.74 Mm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2990.25 2990.55 Mm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 2992.6 2997.1 But that's easy 'cause mine can take uh any number of parameters. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3003.05 3005.89 It might be it might take half an hour in the display and not more than that. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 2997.47 3003.05 Yeah, but that we wouldn't so we'd have to have some dialogue box for opening stuff. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3012.96 3015.67 But it's more or less ready to go with that. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3006.38 3012.96 Mine, I'll need to make a minor addition to the data manager and the summariser. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3012.6 3013.06 Hmm. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3015.29 3018.36 But it might actu I think it might not really be worth it to be honest. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3046.96 3051.71 If I just double the display and you make a uh like a non-synched up second dialogue acts. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3027.3 3039.35 and just provide like something where each of them just if if there's uh a Jasmine script and a Vera script and they each can load their stuff and see their data in in the thing. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3045.57 3046.96 That should be fairly easy to do, right? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3039.35 3045.57 They ca they each can see it summarised by their data, and the other one is the static one. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3025.06 3027.3 Let's work on the other stuff first, like the other stuff 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3044.57 3044.97 Okay. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3046.66 3046.85 Yep. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3049.31 3049.62 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3053.43 3054.47 Yeah, should be easy. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3053.44 3060.35 And yeah, and then they can tune, fine-tune their measures. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3066.11 3079.81 I think it would be cool if we could check the NITE clock f code or whatever code it is for this component and see if we can access those rate things and and do something useful with them and get notified when they change and stuff. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3080.47 3084.1 We could just make that rate be something completely different,
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3084.1 3090.36 just disconnect it from whatever it's doing, and then have that set the length of the summary or something like that. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3087.22 3087.85 Yeah, I think 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3091.32 3099.05 So the the thing is it's probably an easy task to read that rate, but it's probably more difficult to get an event automatically when it's changed. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3090.06 3091.32 Yeah, I think that's what we should do. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3108 3112.52 but if we wanna react to it being changed automatically, we might have to. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3099.05 3103.02 So that's why we might have to extend NITE clock and like override the function that react to that. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3103.02 3108 Or like the rate is probably a property, which in the worst case we'd have to set public,
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3103.83 3104.14 Mm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3121.38 3124.42 So you have to stop it and start it to make any effect. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3115.66 3121.38 It only reacts when you press play at the moment. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3112.15 3115.66 Well it doesn't it doesn't react to it being changed automatically. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3129.46 3133.65 I mean it should just be a matter of changing one single method in it. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3118.11 3120.81 Okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3125.72 3129.46 Yeah, so it shouldn't like even if to even if uh if we have to extend NITE clock 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3120.81 3125.72 So they haven't sp okay. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3133.26 3133.59 Mm. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3135.18 3140.69 Yeah, I mean just disconnect it from whatever it sends the media player and connect it up to our summarisers. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3140.69 3142.18 That makes different length summaries. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3136.01 3136.33 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3138.36 3138.7 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3142.57 3142.91 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3144.13 3153.8 'Cause like we could make that not even have like a a real sort of meaning, just put like max and min. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3153.8 3162.24 And the user can just like set it in-between wherever they want the uh without actually telling them what it actually means if you see what I mean. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3153.35 3153.85 Hmm. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3173.66 3177.87 I think that's sort of a line we should go by in general, sort of saying yeah, we could've done oh so many th 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3163.83 3173.66 And we could justify all sorts of stuff like that by r in the presentation by saying we deliberately tried to keep any complexity and numbers and stuff away from people. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3159.93 3161.31 Yep. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3162.8 3163.83 Yep. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3161.31 3162.8 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3170.63 3171.02 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3176.81 3180.64 We should certainly take away the labels that say minus four times as well. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3182.22 3183.98 'Cause that's incredibly unintuitive. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3201.05 3202.77 It is nice and it calms people down. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3186.13 3193.66 We give people something simple and colourful where something is moving and where they don't have to l deal with any numbers or text or anything like that for that matter. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3182.78 3186.13 We don't wanna confuse people. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3193.66 3201.05 In fact that's why we've given you a picture of a dog sitting in a field instead of a meeting browser. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 3204.7 3207.82 So what kind of change will you impose on the summarisation? 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 3207.82 3214.03 Because if we fine-tune uh um according to that and it's not finished, it's n doesn't make any sense. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3210.6 3211.27 Well 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3220.92 3223.93 But it might be quite cool to have a combined measure. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3223.93 3230.8 Like just a weighted average is probably the most sensible way to about it and possibly thresholding it. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3214.44 3220.92 But it won't make any huge changes, like it'll always have the ef the ability to read the original ones. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 3216.95 3217.44 Okay. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 3220.8 3221.02 Right. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 3223 3223.3 Uh-huh. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3225.6 3226.45 Hmm. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 3227.2 3227.48 Okay. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 3236.01 3237.01 Or how do you d 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 3231.47 3236.01 So you at the moment you have got a threshold and everything that's above it is displayed. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3236.36 3240.79 No, it just takes the top like twenty or fifty or however many. 
EN2001d H02 FEO065 3239.76 3243.6 Yeah, so it's some kind of threshold that is set, okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3242.2 3242.73 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3242.71 3243.07 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3252.11 3252.31 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3254.9 3258.12 Shall we meet in an hour or so, Dave? 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3258.12 3261.11 I'm probably gonna eat something quick. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3258.8 3262.9 Um well I was gonna go to the gym at about three. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3262.9 3264.36 So 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3263.35 3268.78 Ah okay, I was actually I was planning the same, but we won't get so much done before three, that's the thing. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3268.68 3272.81 Or to be honest, like it's much quicker for me to get stuff done on my own. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3272.81 3279.41 It'd make more sense for us to divide up spend a couple of hours dividing up tasks and then do them separately. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3280.25 3285.63 'Kay listen, so why don't we meet after three then, because then I can like until three make sure that I have all the display c 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3285.31 3287.64 Well it'll be after four then. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3287.64 3289.62 'Cause I'm gonna go at three. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3289.62 3290.11 The gym. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3295.66 3302.61 which does the stuff like like having a bar where the position is and stuff. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3302.61 3303.18 And 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3289.1 3290.7 Yeah, sure, yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3290.7 3295.66 S oh so we could meet at five and I have the display code ready by then 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3301.96 3302.91 Okay. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3302.91 3305.86 So meet say five till seven, that should be enough time. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3306.1 3306.75 Yeah. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3317.64 3322.75 And like when I go home I'll spend like the same amount of time and get loads done if you see what I mean. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3313.2 3317.64 'Cause when we've been working together like I've just not got a lot done. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3309.22 3313.2 Because yeah, it's much quicker if we're both working separately, I think. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3316.8 3317.56 Yeah, that's true. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3323.58 3323.8 Yeah 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3321.94 3323.58 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3323.8 3334.83 so we can meet in five in Apple at five in Appleton tower and just work on so I'll I'll have my displ I'll make sure that my display does all the stuff we've been talking about un until then. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3332.68 3333.63 Yeah, okay. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3336.71 3338.83 And then we'll put those things together. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3339.45 3339.83 Okay. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 3343.44 3346.18 It's ready to get started. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 3341.21 3343.44 Yeah, I'll be working on the search, I think. 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 3346.18 3349.4 Yeah, I may as well come and you can show me how it the manager works. 
EN2001d H03 MEE067 3344.11 3346.1 So you're gonna be up there as well then? 
EN2001d H04 MEE068 3351.25 3351.71 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3356.16 3362.03 But I mean like we we should discuss together which w like how the the search interacts with the rest. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3355.4 3356.16 Yeah. 
EN2001d H01 MEO069 3363.44 3366.4 So that's not something that Colin should just do in his own. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 0.02 1.08 Sixteen times zero. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 56.13 57.2 I'll I'll be able to 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 20.91 23.45 and we found it was some stupid well 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 23.45 31.36 at the moment our best guess is that it was some stupid Java thing about if you if you actually if you have two objects and you say object if you say A. equals B. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 52.05 56.13 Like this is the first time that actually the but uh uh that should be okay that should be okay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 47.14 50.83 why don't I have a screen here now actually that's new, but that's okay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 50.83 52.05 It's doing different things all the time. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 31.36 33.89 they actually reference to the same thing. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1.12 4.33 I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I'm not having crashes at the moment. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 40.64 47.14 And it turns out it is zero because it's the same thing that you anyway uh So we figured out it's interesting,
EN2001e H01 MEO069 37.54 40.64 you lose track of it and you suddenly wonder why that value is zero. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 33.89 37.54 So any changes you make to one are made to the other, and if you do that around five corners 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 4.33 20.91 So what I'm having is so we we had a we had a long problem about not finding out why the time synching up between the relative time in in a in a sort of in a in a summarised section and the absolute time didn't correspond and stuff 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 33.79 34.76 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 77.58 79.2 Well, let's see. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 79.2 82.16 Anyway, so n uh let's just see what happens. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 68.53 74.81 So that'll probably keep me from pointing on my screen, which I usually it might just be at this point. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 74.81 77.58 Like there's sometimes a point to loading, not usually that long. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 63.95 68.53 Yeah, but last time I pressed that key combination, everything went wrong, and I think I'll be able to do it just fine on the screen. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 83.9 86.42 In the end we did get it working before. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 88.57 92.47 Oh see I get Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 92.47 93.34 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 98.1 100.55 Ah, so now I'm having a complete mess of like split 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 108.94 118.3 So but I think if I this is a log out command and usually it resets this Amazing strange colour combinations I see in front of me at the moment. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 104.6 108.94 I think last time yes, but that's not what we want, is it? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 103.28 104.6 split screens and stuff. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 123.09 127.62 Yeah, we somehow always get it working, but in different ways every time. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 127.62 128.22 Um 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 150.84 155.76 Dave, I think actually that the summary at the current moment isn't working a hundred percent correct. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 158.07 161.44 It seems to just take the first utterances more or less. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 144.1 150.84 but so at the moment the program is sort of in between working and not working because we've done lots of changes to what the error was. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 140.61 144.1 I got it fixed in the last whatever one hour or something 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 132.27 140.61 So that kept us like basically from doing anything else product qu for quite some time in the last days because we were um hunting down that stupid error. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 155.76 158.07 But that could be because of the input data. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 162.07 163.21 I have to check that out. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 161.63 162.07 Does it? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 162.44 162.83 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 163.78 170.89 Like if you if you first if you read through the summaries, they read suspiciously fluent, like as in people's questions and answers. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 170.89 175.61 And then if you plot them on the screen where where they are at the moment, they seem to o 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 169.54 169.87 Hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 182.35 186.52 it does prefer ones from the beginning because it just picks the first ones it finds. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 174.88 182.35 It depends which data you use as well because um if you use the data where they're all really high 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 187.31 189.45 So maybe that's where the problem is coming from. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 184.66 187.31 Yes. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 189.38 190.59 But I'll check it out anyway. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 191.18 191.86 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 191.86 193.28 Um 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 200.75 201.62 Um 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 195.47 200.75 So this is when you start shifting around your laptop to think that it gets somehow less sloped on the screen. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 227.54 233.59 So at the moment I mean again we should be at a state where people can load their own sc okay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 209.34 216.86 Um I'm I'm gonna show this, just what we have at the moment but it not gonna look very different from what we had last time. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 206.15 209.34 So I'm not really sure what this meeting is about to be honest. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 216.86 227.54 Don't ask him what happened to the promise that you'll get your script where you can use your own stuff because actually that was sort of ready but then we sort started trying to get something more working and then we got into big problems. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 231.39 232.71 I've got time now. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 232.71 237.19 Like um for the next couple of days I'll do some on it, 'cause I was just too busy last week. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 230.72 231.39 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 235.15 235.49 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 253 255.68 But 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 237.52 240.99 Thing is a at the moment it's just really bad for me. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 240.99 247.11 But from Monday on I can just do twenty four seven for this one until it until it's due. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 248.95 253 Like I can probably help people if they have problems with getting getting what we have running now. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 247.11 248.95 But until Monday it's gonna be really bad. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 257.04 257.58 Okay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 259.54 263.79 So I'll just start it up what we have now and then we can talk about what different people have and stuff. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 270.02 271.83 What's that that's creeping over the other screen? 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 272.57 275.29 Doesn't look great, does it? 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 271.45 272.57 I know. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 272.12 272.58 Huh? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 275.57 276.07 Eek. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 277.98 278.7 Yeah, it doesn't. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 280.7 286.04 But sometimes you have to take whatever you get and then just see how far that gets you. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 288.02 290.35 That's really weird 'cause it's just started creeping over. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 309.85 313.22 So I just extracted the actual dialogue numbers 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 313.22 331.96 and the problem is um it's perhaps more um dangerous to get mistaken with all those numbers and not knowing why things happen if we just devote numbers and n make new uh n n 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 292.95 304.38 Yeah, uh so let's perhaps uh in the meantime talk about the um um numbers we assign to the dialogue acts because um yeah 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 304.38 309.85 I didn't know that you left out those who don't have words. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 304.98 305.17 Uh-uh. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 330.53 335.51 Um well as long as the two correspond then it's fine. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 335.99 345.79 Yeah sure, but I mean for all those measures that are based on words um I can automatically just throw those where it's nothing. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 345.79 357.51 But um those dialogues acts um like thirty three in in the first meeting, um they have a duration, even though they don't have a word. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 357.51 372.03 Um so for my earl other measures I I get them and I don't I mean I would have to look for every single write a programme that looks for everything a number and does the mapping for that. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 352.04 352.35 Mm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 359.26 360.16 Oh right, I see. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 369.89 377.96 So would it be would it be easier if there's a reference file with the actual real I. D. and the corresponding number? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 377.96 378.21 So 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 368.71 369.89 Okay. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 376.97 377.35 Yes. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 380.39 380.75 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 377.75 380.39 Yeah there is there's index files already. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 379.8 380.68 is there some already? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 381.55 382.33 Why is that? 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 382.68 385.74 Yeah, in the raw text index directory. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 386.25 386.48 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 387.12 389.83 Yeah, and it uh allows you to map between the different I. D. s. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 390.87 392.7 So would that solve the problem basically? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 393.17 398.85 Yeah, I just wanted to uh um why do you think it's necessary at all to do that? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 399.68 403.45 Because the whole programme works on them being numbered at the moment. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 404.54 406.52 Yeah, and it's a problem if there's no 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 407.13 414.48 Um it'd be a lot of word for really no extra p feature gain at all. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 412.15 416.35 But actually I think there is something in the audio, shouldn't there? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 416.35 424.01 If there's um even though there's not a word, I think in the audio there will be something at that point because it has a duration. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 426.45 428.43 Or do you think it could appear in the summary? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 429.97 430.15 Hmm? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 431.98 435.97 Well if it's something in the audio that's just like a noise, then we don't want it. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 436.57 437.55 Yeah, I guess. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 437.55 440.05 'Cause we can't show it in the display. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 440.05 442.6 Yeah, they've been cut out the ones that don't have any words. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 437.81 439.88 So d you cut it out. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 439.1 439.48 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 440.57 440.88 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 444.14 444.65 Suppose. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 445.36 447.83 But would that not happen at some sorry, I'm jum jumping in. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 447.83 455.6 Would that not happen at summarisation anyway even if they're in the w like with the ones that have no words and then not have really low information density or something? 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 448.15 448.39 Huh. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 458.92 463.91 You 'cause the thing is it depends if we want to have it display the whole thing at once. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 458.07 458.92 I don't I don't know. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 466.44 466.67 Hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 468.92 473.17 'Cause you'd reckon that you could leave them in and they would never show up in a summary anyway. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 472.85 477.62 If you left them in hopefully it wouldn't affect the way the programme works. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 479.59 483.14 Yeah, I mean but why do you have a special for those? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 483.14 483.91 It's just 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 479.79 480.68 No, I guess not. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 482.84 488.05 Well I don't in the programme, it's just they're not in the raw text files. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 489.46 491.23 Seems a bit stupid. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 487.37 489.46 That's just 'cause they would have a blank line in it. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 491.23 493.22 But I can fit 'em back in if 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 486.6 487.37 Hmm. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 489.78 490.03 Yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 493.75 497.72 Yeah, uh I mean it's just a question I wanted to raise. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 495.31 496.05 Well either way. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 497.66 497.93 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 497.73 503.37 Either way is fine by me as long as the two wo things um tie up. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 503.37 507.12 As far as I'm concerned it doesn't really matter whether those are in or out. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 521.67 527.74 And then just make sure that summary even in the in the most summarised mode just never puts them in. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 507.72 516.29 We wouldn't you think that if we just write the programme the way that even in the p way that it displays everything, it still leaves those out. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 516.29 521.67 Like if we those a special information density I. D., or if you just put a spe yeah, something like that. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 519.34 520.78 No, minus one or something. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 524.65 525.97 Yeah, certainly possible. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 528.11 534.65 It might be a problem for me at the stage right now because I based everything on not having those um 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 534.29 534.79 Hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 534.62 537.73 Actually yeah, 'cause the T. F. I. D. F. wouldn't make any sense with 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 534.91 535.88 Yeah, it's a cer uh 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 537.29 537.8 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 537.29 540.02 Yeah, my topic segmenter doesn't like blank lines either. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 539.76 541.77 Uh what I also 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 540.12 542.11 So maybe we should just omit them then. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 554.75 565.14 I think if I had spaces for the um new values so when I went to do correlation it wouldn't work anymore. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 543.09 549.12 Yeah, what I also did was having two people um annotate the first meeting 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 565.14 565.79 So I don't know. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 549.12 554.75 and so they didn't annotate the n n uh uh the spaces and everything would mess up. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 552.96 553.29 Mm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 566.54 568.62 Okay, so maybe we should leave them out then. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 569.82 571.66 'Kay, shall we take a quick look at the current sys 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 570.87 571.52 Oh okay s 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 583.66 589.11 the final formula ready, I could uh t apply to the new stuff. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 589.11 589.84 That would be okay. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 571.27 583.66 Oh what I could do is um work um further with um what I've got now and then just when I have my um um yeah,
EN2001e H00 FEO066 589.16 594.25 So um by how did you assign the dialogue act number? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 594.25 602.29 Did you take the one you found in the in the um X. M. L. file and just, know, put it there? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 602.29 603.19 Or did you 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 599 599.69 Um 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 609.41 609.88 So 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 604.63 609.41 No, my um yeah, what my um T. F. I. D. F. is based on Colin's data. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 605.19 605.42 Sorry. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 611.42 615.67 um I end up with the same. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 615.67 616.14 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 613.38 615.01 Oh, it's the bar is working now. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 616.48 616.85 Okay. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 613.45 614.53 Okay. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 614.53 616.48 Okay, you end up with. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 618.69 619.75 Sorry. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 616.65 618.69 It is it is jumping now. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 615.78 616.65 Yeah, it is actually. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 617.47 618.08 Oh yeah, cool. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 619.97 621.69 Yeah another uh sh issue was that 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 620.96 623.79 Oh, so the summary is probably okay 'cause it does the job. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 627.89 628.22 Shall 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 623.2 624.83 Yeah, it did s it did summarise just now. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 624.83 627.89 It's just it's summarising stupidly, but at least it's jumping. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 625.44 627.66 Yeah. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 627.75 630.91 Is it still the old old T. F. I. D. F. ? 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 630.91 631.45 Oh, okay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 647.77 649.63 So I have no clue what we're actually doing at the moment. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 629.86 633.67 Yes, and in fact at the moment I don't even know which of the two I'm summarising over. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 646.29 647.77 I've just I've just switched them around. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 633.67 646.29 Do you know y are w are we um so at the moment the configuration is that word importance file is test three and T. D. I. D. F. file is test two. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 634.7 636.9 Oh, I can't remember which one it is at the moment. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 634.98 656.54 Hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 645.55 655.96 Yep, that that those names are mislead well the T. F. I. D. F. is fine, but word importance is completely misleading, it's not word importance at all. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 679.13 681.22 because it's uh like it it's for something very similar. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 685.93 694.67 And there is like a good justifiable reason um why we should do in a certain way and how we can then with a simple parameter adjust how much one weighs and how much the other weighs. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 694.67 701.29 So there is something for just for putting them together in a relatively simple way, but still a way that we can sort of justify. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 670.53 679.13 But I I have some good f information about different ways how you can sort of weight two different factors 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 651.7 657.41 Yeah, especially since I've just especially s since I've just switched them around anyway. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 658.15 663.98 I by the way, I read a paper which makes an important point about combining two things of that type. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 657.41 658.15 But that's okay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 663.98 670.53 Um that's basically it's it's t going on about this fancy called geometric mean, which effectively just means multiplying them. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 681.22 685.93 Somebody would try to solve a very similar problem where they also had two factors sort of and they want to weigh them together. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 681.87 682.12 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 701.58 701.82 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 704.84 706.7 Yeah sure, we hmm? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 737.35 740.27 um that's probably what we go at. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 702.29 704.84 Um and we can quote stuff on that. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 726.6 737.35 Um so that's probably seeing that we're probably not gonna go into any whatever base blah blah blah Markov model blah blah blah about f combining them 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 724.54 726.6 So it's quite good. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 706.7 714.42 No, it's multiplying them and and like putting them one over the power of something and the other over minus one one minus the power of something 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 723.72 724.54 how it works. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 742.12 751.12 It's it's sort of it's overrunning the f like it so okay, so at the moment we're that far that if I now click onto a segment, hits 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 714.42 723.72 and that's sort of and they they've plotted some graphs about like where they show f like one going from zero to the one and the other going zero to one and like how the how the landscape changes and how i the parameter changes 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 740.27 742.12 Now this is still not ideal at the moment, Dave. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 704.82 710.06 Is it very complex or is it r oh, just multiplying together. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 712.15 713.14 I've seen that before. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 711.39 712.15 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 710.06 711.39 To a power. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 718.76 719.19 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 725.08 726.66 Yeah, I've seen that before actually. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 736.78 738.69 No. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 739.83 740.01 Hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 745.16 745.66 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 750.51 752.22 Ah, it's still working like it should do. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 752.56 752.71 Hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 757.74 762.82 Yeah, so it's j like the values are sort of hard-coded for the screen sizes in DICE and my screen's smaller. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 752.75 757.74 Yeah, it's just wait, sorry, I just re-sized it a bit. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 754.66 758.41 Who has that going? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 785.16 786.51 So it's it's skipping stuff. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 786.51 793.97 Now I don't think the summary at the moment is what we wanted to be seeing the words like oh and mm and exactly, exactly, right, sure. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 777.23 779.28 Yeah, so you see it's a different text. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 775.65 777.23 So let me check a different one. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 779.28 781.76 And you see it it's running through it. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 770.73 772.65 We probably have to make the segment lines a lot bigger. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 793.97 796.69 This seems probably sh this is again probably the opposite of what we want. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 781.76 785.16 And also you see the indicator in where we are is jumping. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 764.86 770.73 So let's see, I was a stupid user and was clicking on this segment. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 801.37 802.8 But 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 772.65 774.87 So then I h I did I get a new summarisation? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 796.69 801.37 So it's probably some value that you have to like divide by one uh one divide by the value of something. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 774.87 775.65 Yeah, I didn't actually see. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 776.92 777.18 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 779.29 780.5 So it did work. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 784.74 784.95 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 786.72 787.11 Oh yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 789.17 789.75 Mm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 791.33 793.85 Yeah, that that is ancient data though. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 793.85 796.06 So 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 802 804.11 Having said that, it's picking out some interesting stuff. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 804.11 807.5 Like we're looking at atlas, you'd expect to score quite high. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 815.13 819.49 So Yes, but it's probably just because if you look at the other one 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 832.64 833.11 I don't know. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 830.37 832.64 So maybe it's just doing it randomly at the moment. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 819.49 830.37 like this is just their best sentence for like having function words in a row sort of and every o other I mean this one is sort of the developing a big infrastructure. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 833.11 837.57 But we have some summary working and that's a good basis to start from. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 807.09 815.13 Yes, but also every other word in that sentence we should look at are probably in your list of fifty like list of all important words in the universe. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 837.57 842.12 If I promise now that you'll get something where you can put your own data and that's sort of ringing a bit hollow. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 813.93 816.66 Yeah, maybe, but atlas, you'd have thought it'd be quite high. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 826.01 826.16 Huh. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 848.08 850.64 and like to see it all come together. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 841.29 848.08 I'm just quite surprised it all actually worked, because I've been working it we've been working on like incomplete versions that haven't worked for a long time 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 855.27 860.19 So we might still have some problem here that it's not stopping at the end, but so Dave 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 850.82 853.28 Yeah, uh still it's uh it it's might be having some problem. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 860.19 865 can you make the promise even I'm not making the promise realistically that the girls will very soon get 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 853.28 855.27 I think this one over-ran just before. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 848.56 850.82 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 848.65 848.74 Hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 864.69 869.49 Yeah, I'll do the first thing I'll do is make a load box for selecting a file 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 868.96 870.12 Okay, yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 876.07 878.1 So p class path is like this long. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 871.35 876.07 and a script that sets the class path so it can be run with just a script. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 874.05 876.14 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 876.14 876.47 S 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 878.56 886.1 S so at the moment I've hard-coded it to just um taking one tenth of the number of utterances which were in the original selection. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 889.02 889.25 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 886.98 889.02 But we'll have parameter for that. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 894.47 896.25 And if you select those than it's having an 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 888.61 889.76 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 889.76 894.47 It actually it gives you an error if you put it to twenty, because there's some things in there which are shorter than twenty. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 893.89 895.68 And twenty. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 895.68 899.54 Yeah, we need to add some sanity checking in some of the stuff. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 919.09 922.16 But this is working in general. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 929.24 936.07 what date do we have to have this presented, what day of the week is that and issues like that. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 942.74 951.74 One week from today I shall hear the freedom ring from the hills and and everything and shall then throw myself into new slavery. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 922.16 929.24 Does anyone have a general overview over the whole time issue, like as in what date is it today,
EN2001e H01 MEO069 899.9 902.32 But I think like a b a proportional one is probably not bad idea 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 942.09 942.74 'Kay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 898.62 899.9 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 902.32 907.68 that's bl I mean an an absolute length is sort of a bit strange because that means that some utterances will not be changed in length. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 911.91 919.09 So the fact that this is going on beyond that green line here is something that's not ideal, but that's something we have to sort out. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 936.07 942.09 So the presentation is now sh two weeks from today. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 907.68 911.91 I know but we had that discussion before and I'm confused myself about what I think about it. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 907.91 908.12 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 932.42 932.51 Hmm. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 937.26 939.15 Presentation is exactly in two weeks. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 939.17 939.76 Yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 960.42 962.93 I mean if you want to have some people 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 953 960.42 Um uh and re I think we should start to think about evaluation by now. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 962.15 965.87 But we don't we don't need it evaluated for the presentation, do we. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 966.03 970.76 Yeah, but it's just uh three days between the presentation and the yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 966.43 967.07 But yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 971.25 973.81 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 969.04 969.48 Is it? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 969.48 971.25 Oh, 'cause it was moved back, wasn't it. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 971.95 973.89 No really? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 971.04 971.95 Ah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 973.89 974.94 And the report. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 971.23 972 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 972 974.41 So yeah, I don't know if we're gon 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 971.41 971.59 Hmm. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 972.85 973.16 Yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 975.17 975.41 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 976.01 979.83 I can rope people in to to doing it, a few people at least. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 981.28 982.46 Do you think we're gonna have time? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 985.34 989.14 Yeah, I think we should ha take the time because I think it will be 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 987.05 995.65 As long as we design it as long as we design it before-hand, uh I think we can probably manage to actually do it in the three days after. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 997.14 999.03 Is it not is it not only two days anyway? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 997.19 998.91 You're talking about the user evaluation. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 997.86 1001.68 But we'll also have to write the the thing in that time. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1003.79 1005.39 How long is it expected to be? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1002.2 1003.79 Writing the report won't be so bad? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1005.56 1006.33 I don't know. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1006.33 1007.88 But it's fifty percent of the mark. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1008.68 1016.17 I know, but uh if everyone like if everyone is managing three pages for their bit, then that's gonna be that that's a big report then. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1018.23 1018.43 No. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1021.53 1021.72 Ah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1018.31 1018.91 And stuff. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1018.91 1021.53 So Yeah, but evaluation. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1023.55 1027.33 We should probably write some user documentation 'cause I bet that will get us marks. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 1027.83 1028.08 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1029 1029.6 You think? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1032.47 1035.14 Just we'll just write, you know, little help files or something. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1029.96 1032.47 Yeah, they'd love that kind of stuff. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1030.11 1030.32 Yeah. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 1030.44 1031.63 I think so too. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1031.85 1038.68 We should probably inquire about that or like integrate tool tips that would be visible. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1038.68 1039.08 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 1039.14 1040.25 Yeah, that'd probably be quite good. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 1051.76 1053.71 So yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 1047.88 1049.63 Yeah, I've got a basic search working now. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 1049.63 1051.76 It's g it's got a user interface. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 1053.71 1054.13 No. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1049.34 1053.03 Have you Java doc ed it? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1054.75 1055.76 And also where is it? 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 1056.39 1059.45 Uh I'm still in my directory, but I I can put it in your directory. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1057.54 1064.44 Okay, 'cause the code version in the group directory is not the right one. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1064.44 1064.73 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 1064.47 1065.03 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 1062.89 1064.47 Yeah yeah, I've I've not been using that. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 1065.03 1068.99 Yeah, I've just been taking the the class files from your directory. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1069 1069.46 Okay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1076.95 1080.33 It really seems to be all about starting in the directory. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1069.46 1072.51 Having said that, Dave, we could probably w like if we want 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1080.33 1084.33 But I mean if if the two of us are just working on it it doesn't make a difference 'cause I've already mounted your directory now. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1072.51 1076.95 we could probably go back to the c um to the group directory and just use this trick. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1084.33 1086.32 So And probably 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1078.4 1080.04 In directory, yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1089.85 1091.59 Then we'll put it back in the group directory. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1085.52 1089.85 Well we should wait till we have it ready for um you guys to use. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1084.93 1085.52 Okay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1091.83 1092.08 Mm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1097.02 1099.16 'Cause I've got time today. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1099.16 1102.59 And as long as I don't run into problems I don't see it taking too long. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1094.66 1097.02 So I'll try and do that today. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 1108.02 1113.34 How about the summarisation again, you wanted to base it on sentence length as well 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 1113.34 1117.98 and I've got a sentence length incorporated into my importance measure at the moment. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 1117.98 1118.61 So 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1118.47 1122.98 Well in that case it it's probably just I mean that's probably fine. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1122.98 1123.49 I mean 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 1127.91 1132.12 Don't know how exactly we will want to implement your 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 1124.15 1127.91 But if we do it twice, it wouldn't make too much sense. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 1123.07 1124.15 Okay. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1126.93 1127.4 Yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1127.31 1128.77 Yeah, it would buy us something. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1134.58 1139.9 I'm not sure how much should be done in the programme because uh 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1144.89 1146.88 I think it should probably be done off-line, 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1143.17 1144.89 I don't know. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1147.92 1148.28 What? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1148.61 1152.44 the basic uh combining of all the factors. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1175.1 1175.58 That would be good. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1168.99 1175.1 How we can just have a slide bar which we can read and write to, which is in a frame of that type. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1162.11 1168.99 Actually if you can figure out a way like how basically a general way because there's at least two points at which we are interested in that. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1176.58 1177.46 I mean should just be 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1152.44 1154.4 Well if it's just multiplying to numbers 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1175.58 1176.58 It shouldn't be difficult, should it? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1154.4 1162.11 it can be done in the programme 'cause then we can um because what we could do is have a slide bar where we can adjust this value. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1154.48 1156.63 Yeah yeah, sure. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1176.82 1180.94 Hopefully we can take over that right one 'cause we don't need it. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1180.94 1181.82 That'd be quite nice. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1184.92 1187.55 you probably have just to extend that class and then you can work with that value 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1187.55 1193.55 but if you're unlucky it might be quicker to just write a very simple string component which is just the s just a bar. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1180.99 1184.92 Yeah, but it might be more diffi uh let's see, it you could if you're lucky 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1198.64 1204.49 Like what I bet that's a pre-made Swing component, that little slider, and all you do is add it to a panel. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1193.05 1198.64 I bet you can just uh just add it to the um panel. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1204.47 1205.74 Yeah yeah, yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1209.41 1214.35 one for controlling the length of the summary, and another one for 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1205.74 1209.41 So because we'd basically it would be good to have two different ones to play around with,
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1216.15 1220.77 um for the merging factor, if we do it that way with the CHI metric. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1220.28 1220.63 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1222.75 1226.1 Can you send me a link to that paper so that I'll implement that in summarizer. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1227.38 1228.43 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1230.83 1234.07 Um how is the audio thing going? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1228.43 1230.83 It's it's just a single formula effectively, yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1234.07 1236.41 Is that you've probably not had time to work on that. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1234.86 1236.41 Oh, no I've not looked at it. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1236.41 1240.09 Yeah, like last week I just not done anything. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1240.09 1242.2 But can't see it taking long again. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1247.84 1248.33 can you do that. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1244.26 1247.84 'Kay, it seems that at the moment a lot of the stuff that has to be done at sort of at the moment I'm saying oh Dave 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1248.33 1249.27 So that's not ideal. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1253.88 1259.19 So And I've got time today, tomorrow and probably Friday. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1259.19 1259.65 So 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1250.73 1253.88 But to be honest, I did like nothing really on it last week. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1254.96 1255.14 Oh. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1258.72 1259.27 Okay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1266.28 1271.4 'Cause I think I mean the audio is a v in the end the audio is a very important component of it. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1271.4 1275.36 Just because it's it's gonna look stupid if we have everything working but just if 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1270.69 1270.93 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1277.98 1280.61 So I can't get them to compile under Windows. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1275.44 1277.98 It's just annoying because I need to do that on a DICE machine. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1281.53 1282.53 The speech tools. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1284.06 1288.8 And um most the DICE machines don't have working sound cards. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1282.36 1284.06 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1288.8 1289.44 So 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1292.82 1295.69 Is there any way for X. forwarding sound? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1289.81 1292.82 Hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1297.41 1298.1 No idea. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1298.97 1306 'Cause that would be sort of the nice way to sit at home and have it forward the sound at the lowest bit rate to you. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1306 1315.77 I mean seeing that it's over broad-band it's forwarding the graphics quite okay, it would probably like broad-band-wise, band-width-wise, probably work out. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1301.66 1302.04 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1320.47 1321.35 I've no idea. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1316.58 1320.47 I'm not sure how it if it if it can do sound or not. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1321.03 1324.43 But it's probably not and uh not a simple thing. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1324.19 1326.32 But like what I can do is um 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1332.32 1340.7 And as long as I can test the script like once and it's working fine, I can just make it return dummy stuff so it works on other machines. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1327.84 1332.32 I I'm pretty confident that it'll just be writing a script and it will just go. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1337.19 1337.39 Hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1341.17 1346.79 Y are you not creating files anywhere, like sort of real files? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1346.79 1349.47 So that you can do on a DICE machine independent of w 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1345.4 1345.81 Yes. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1345.81 1346.24 So 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1348.94 1350.89 Oh actually, I know what I can do. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1350.89 1351.91 I can then 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1356.73 1367.24 I can just add S. S. H. stuff in to ev evoke the sound tools on the uh on DICE and then copy 'em back. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1354.41 1355.56 I can change the script. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1355.56 1356.73 So if I'm using my one at home 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1366.49 1367.73 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1367.73 1376.58 One problem with S. S. H. ing in general is that the machine that like on the only gateway machines, they hate you for doing anything on them. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1376.58 1384.4 And there's no simple way, at least I haven't found one to directly in in a single step sort of S. S. H. and then S. S. H. again. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1375.79 1376.12 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1385.26 1385.71 Hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1393 1399.8 So if that c command is S. S. H. again and if you that would require that you have all your key files set correctly,
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1387.79 1393 Well actually I guess if you put S. S. H. and you know c you can give a command outright after with S. S. H. . 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1402.35 1405.8 Maybe if you get that working, then you should be able to directly go into another machine. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1399.8 1402.35 which I haven't, because it always fucks up on my system. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1395.73 1396.1 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1404.91 1407.6 I'm sure I can figure out some way to do it anyway. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1407.47 1407.72 Uh 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1411.62 1411.99 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1413.76 1420.41 If it comes to it, I'll just um install NetBeans and stuff on my Linux machine and work on that. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1421.31 1428.13 'Cause a p a primitive version of the sound to have relatively soon would be good. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1420.66 1421.31 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1428.13 1428.98 I think 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1428.27 1431.92 Well that to be honest there won't be a primitive in between stage. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1436.4 1437.84 In theory at least anyway. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1431.92 1436.4 just it'll just work hopefully. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1433.28 1434.31 Okay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1434.31 1435.8 Okay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1435.8 1437.75 Okay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1437.75 1439.09 Okay, good. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1457.87 1461.93 But now it's working better because now it's on a much more evenly distributed 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1441.09 1454.84 so the reason why the summary didn't work well in the last one and works well now is because based on the bottom data the data is so homogeneously high in its imp importance rating that it just sort of then,
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1439.09 1441.09 So to come back to the problem we had before 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1454.84 1457.87 everything else being equal, it took the first ones more or less. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1431.06 1433.28 Ok okay. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 1437.7 1437.84 Hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1461.94 1467.32 I wonder if we should um do something like dropping the bottom third 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1467.32 1475.38 then re-mapping the lowest remaining one to zero and scaling it like that 'cause you get a much nicer distribution like that. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1472.82 1473.34 Well 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1475.69 1489.96 The most professional way of doing it would be to map them according to the standard deviation 'cause that way it au would automatically always that's sort of like it it's the problem is it's more calculation expensive and slightly more complicated even though it's actually like in terms of calculation it's not much heavier. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1489.96 1491.93 But like you know generally about standard deviation? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1492.13 1494.13 Um I've not used it to do that before, but 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1500.93 1506.61 which the problem with it is that generally you first have to get the mean and only t only once you have the mean you know what 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1493.4 1500.93 Yeah, it's it's a g it's a very simple simple formu it's basically just whatever, the average of r mean square differences from the mean or something 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1500.09 1500.44 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1506.36 1513.43 There is a way of calculating it um yeah, well calculating it cumulatively, but I can't remember it. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1517.72 1520.98 So the the good thing about that would be that if you simply say that whatever 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1509.15 1510.38 In one go? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1510.38 1513.66 Yeah, I've derived that I've derived that myself. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1520.98 1527.22 one standard deviation below the mean is zero and one standard deviation above the mean is one or two standard deviations or something,
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1513.66 1516.45 Like I didn't find it so I did it myself and it took me a day with the formula. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1516.45 1517.72 But then I'm slow at maths. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1527.22 1530.2 then whatever the data is like, it would always normalise. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1515.19 1515.54 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1529.91 1531.51 Yeah, that's probably quite a good idea. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1533.25 1536.08 But that like that's the most professional way I can think about it. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1554.03 1559.53 and that makes some things exactly twice as computationally expensive, and there is a way of doing it cumula cumulatively. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1547.97 1548.96 It's uh it's really stupid. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1538.03 1542.28 I mean that would drop whatever is below or above. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1536.08 1538.03 Y that would indirectly also drop stuff. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1542.28 1544.97 So if you find that formula, that would be good. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1548.96 1554.03 Like the standard standard deviation formula just requires you to have the mean initially,
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1544.97 1547.97 Otherwise I can see if I can still understand, like I did it in my programme. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1531.91 1533.25 Yeah, it's it's not the simplest. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1540.38 1541.91 Yeah, that's probably quite sensible. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1538.91 1540.38 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1558.96 1562.39 Yeah, I can't remember it off-hand, but I know there is one. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1563.05 1563.48 Hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1566.82 1571.02 So yeah, so that's one possible way of doing that. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1576.19 1576.84 So the 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1586.43 1586.75 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1576.37 1586.43 But it could be it could be fine, I mean running over the data twice probably is okay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1583.75 1585.82 And that's just in the loading stage, right? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1589.19 1596.67 But anyway, we only we only gonna present this once and we can probably just like sort of start it up before the presentation starts. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1600.76 1604.29 it's like if you b want a programme only to run once and only a part of it,
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1610.16 1610.7 Um 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1596.67 1600.76 So if we shouldn't at all be worried about it's actually it's quite beautiful 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1604.29 1608.92 you don't worry if it crashes afterwards, if it wastes all the resources, if it formats the hard disk in the end. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1608.92 1610.16 Anyway, I'm rambling on. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1585.82 1589.19 Yeah, that should actually be fine, especially in the worst case we just introduce a small hour glass. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 1587.04 1587.31 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1597.25 1597.54 Mm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1615.31 1619.71 They used to not um close the process when you click the cross. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1610.81 1615.31 Yeah, never closes the process when he does it now. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1612.58 1612.61 D 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1613.07 1614.87 No, it does not it does not if y I changed it. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1614.87 1615.4 I just 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 1613.11 1613.28 Hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1624.44 1625.13 Um 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1618.05 1624.44 So You would forget that that means that you would start it fifteen times over and have fifteen zombies running. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1638.78 1645.05 The interesting thing is that because it's structure of this, it isn't enough to just say well if you don't have a sound card, you don't have sound. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1633.8 1638.78 'Cause the thing is we can like this at the moment wor is working because it has a sound card. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1627.13 1633.8 does anyone know anything about which DICE machines have sound cards and how to find them? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1645.05 1647.32 At least I think that's what I remember our problem was, that 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1632.27 1633.27 No. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1646.64 1650.9 Yeah, it refuses to r load the clock for some reason. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1650.9 1651.58 I don't know why. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1648.91 1649.51 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1649.51 1650.86 No. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1650.86 1655.68 So I've worked around that there is ways I think to get around it, but the problem is 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1649.51 1649.83 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1663.39 1667.72 Um because it you have to change all sorts of other things if you don't have a sound card. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1657.43 1659.77 So you b you basically we have to we have to have two code versions then 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1667.72 1673.54 So there isn't a simple way to just tell which ones the sound card machines are and just to use sound card machines is there. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1659.77 1663.39 one for sound card and one for non sound card machines to test it on. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1672.38 1683.19 Uh that really yeah, that makes it really quite difficult for us if we want to test our stuff the first have to fight for our computers without cards. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1678.25 1678.6 We 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1686.88 1691.33 just putting all these things into sound then, then having a written summary 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1681.97 1686.88 No, but I guess I mean if you just if you trust in Dave's summary for the audio,
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1689.81 1690.48 Yeah, sure. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1690.48 1693.29 I mean I yeah yeah, I I just care for the written one. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1696.1 1696.44 Okay. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1693.29 1696.1 Does that work without the sound cards? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1696.07 1697.71 The only thing you don't get is the clock. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1690.98 1696.07 Yeah, you still you st yeah, you still get the written one and the display. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1702.53 1703 Because 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1697.82 1698.26 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1695.5 1697.82 So the yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1698.26 1702.53 So I think, Dave, really the easiest way is if you just make a sound card and a non sound card version of it. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1694.45 1695.5 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1698.26 1699.05 Okay, yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1702.95 1705.75 I don't think we should bother 'cause we'll run it on a sound card version. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1709.38 1709.68 Like 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1705.71 1708.66 Yeah, but then that means that the girls can't test it. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1708.66 1709.38 That's the problem. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1709.39 1710.11 Th yes they can. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1710.11 1712.77 All that happens is it refuses to load load the clock. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1712.77 1714.58 You still get the display in the summary. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 1709.95 1710.44 We can. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1714.1 1721.34 Yes, but without the clock you don't have well actually you're right, it doesn't like f it doesn't strictly have to do any movement in it, yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1720.7 1726.12 So the, yeah, the move uh but you can still click on the segments and that'll still work, won't it? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1735.37 1738.77 So that's what I'm saying, that there is we could make it that a flag, couldn't we? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1733.84 1735.37 So we have to comment out stuff. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1738.77 1742.43 We could just make that uh like a run-time flag and then make a few ifs and say if 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1729.73 1733.84 Like at the moment if you click on a segment, it automatically sets the whole clock thing going and stuff. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1727.05 1729.73 Yeah, but we have to comment stuff out for that, I think. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1738.95 1739.34 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1737.47 1738.95 Okay. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1743.38 1746.77 Um, oh there must be a way of detecting whether the clock's loaded. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1746.77 1748.67 Like in fact there there is. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1748.67 1755.99 You can try and set something on the clock and use try and catch, and then if you catch the exceptions set the flag. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1747.28 1749.18 Yes, the p there is. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1753.91 1754.54 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1757.53 1767.06 So anyway, so that's something we should probably do in one way or another because it seems just that the overwhelming majority of DICE machines don't have sound card. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1757.01 1757.53 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 1767.33 1767.56 Hmm. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1768.45 1768.59 Hmm. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1781.06 1783.51 Or do we have anything more on this? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1774.38 1781.06 Okay, do you want to have a look at the agreement and disagreement data that I worked on last week? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1804.55 1806.52 So I mean we'll hopefully be able t 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1795.42 1798.91 like this is very similar to what our product will look like in the end 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1791.86 1795.42 w which is gonna be horrible, but um this is more or less in the end 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1786.34 1791.86 So apart from like uh a search box and the similarity thing f once that kicks off,
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1783.18 1786.34 No, nothing c much to talk about this. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1798.91 1804.55 seeing that realistically with the given time frame we're not gonna do amazing new things from now on. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 1798.8 1799.1 Hmm. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1803.46 1803.7 Yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1808.88 1811.02 Perhaps my list of agreements somewhere. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1805.3 1808.88 M perhaps my list of agreements. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1808.01 1808.26 Huh? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1811.71 1812.76 List of agreements? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1813.35 1818.28 Yeah, if we find them good enough 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1813.79 1815.49 We could put those on display. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1820.72 1821.44 Okay, yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1820.73 1827.68 We wanted to provide um that in an extra list saying probably agreement. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1824.98 1825.55 Okay. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1826.06 1829.06 Instead of a list, what about putting it in the display? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1832.73 1834.3 Yeah, we could just make 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1829.08 1832.73 It could be good in the display to annotate them in the display if we can. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1827.09 1829.08 Uh yeah, I think it would be good Dave's right. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1832.3 1832.52 Yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1831.33 1832.3 Yeah, for example. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1833.23 1837.57 Can you click on a point in time in display and jump to there yet? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1856.37 1858.09 And I think we should probably increase that. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1847.51 1856.37 But I think, Dave, what we should do is that th uh the time click of the clock, I think that's changeable. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1858.09 1867.2 Because at the moment it's zero point one seconds and that's just there is actually there are some background noise when it's working and I think that is because it's like doing so much every time. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1837.52 1844.17 but that should that's actually that's probably the only I can say I can do this week because that should be I mean I'll do it in an inefficient way. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1844.17 1847.51 I'll effectively sort of go through all the segments and check if they're clicked on. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1836.63 1837.52 Not just yet 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1841.2 1841.65 Okay. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1842.36 1843.2 'Cause that'd be pretty good. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1868.19 1869.73 No, I don't get that on my machine. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1877.9 1880.31 So I mean yes, it is because my display is programmed inefficiently. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1870.69 1874.46 Yeah, it's probably because you d I'm not sure if you have the version where the display yet 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1880.31 1887.85 But I think with the t given time constraints it's probably easier instead of making a very efficient display code to just make the time make the clock whatever 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1874.46 1877.9 where the display is actually updating up here when it's moving on. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1887.85 1890.29 zero point five seconds or something. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1890.29 1891.18 Do you want the monitor? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1877.41 1878 No. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1876.91 1877.41 No, I don't. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1883.73 1884.26 Okay. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1891.48 1891.59 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1891.65 1897.68 As long as you can skip more accurately than the time steps, that's fine. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1897.68 1899.56 'Cause otherwise you might risk cutting bits off. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1901.01 1903.21 If I can skip more accurately, then 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1909.93 1911.58 By half second you'll miss words. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1902.89 1909.93 Like if you want to jump to a point, you need to be able to jump more accurately than half second. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1915.64 1916.5 Uh you're 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 1933.6 1934.31 Okay. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 1934.31 1937.36 And also displaying the speakers before an utterance. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 1927.04 1933.6 Are we still with that idea that we want to display bars for the individual speakers? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1932.93 1933.86 Yeah, I think so. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1934.89 1935.47 Hmm. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1935.47 1940.38 It's a bit small, but I don't know why that is. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1940.38 1941.09 Hmm. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1941.09 1941.69 Strange. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 1937.84 1938.09 Okay. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 1938.77 1941.62 Oh yeah, I can yeah, I can do that. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1941.15 1945.64 That's probably because it's coming from my resolution and it's you have a much higher resolution. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 1945.64 1946.05 So 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1948.65 1956.88 But um okay, what you see here um in this part is uh? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1958.79 1971.74 Here is um a list of the uh um most important or, yeah, most probable words that occur in agreement. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1957.69 1958.79 There it is, yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1956.88 1957.69 No mouse, yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1945.76 1948.1 Yeah, perhaps p because it's wide screen or something. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1948.1 1948.65 Yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1984.91 1997.65 Um so uh the number in the first brackets is how often it occurred in the um utterances that were annotated as agreements by the uh dialogue act agreement. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1971.74 1984.91 Um so the number in the first brackets is um so I run it on all the B. E. D., B. M. R. and B. R. O. meetings to learn it. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 1998.67 2004.91 Um and the number in the second brackets is how much it occurred in the rest. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2004.91 2016.84 And um the first number in every line is um how much more often that is per same um same text length. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2016.84 2024.16 So um the num uh the words that uh it gives it are look quite good, I think. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2044.8 2056.23 Um and the moment it can't make any differences betwe I mean you get the same value for every utterance that is exactly or every utterance that is sure. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2024.16 2030.4 It's um, yeah, exciting, perfect, true, interesting, exactly, correct, super and so on. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2030.4 2044.8 Um and then I ran it on the first meeting, getting um the so what's in the in the brackets in this window here is the utterances. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2056.85 2071.56 And um for the longer utterances I just um look how often um one of these words is in there and simply add it up. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2077.79 2085.92 Um and, yeah, and so these numbers here, um one or zero, these here, um that's um 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2071.56 2077.79 So that should in principle favour longer utterances. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2088.15 2099.44 um the dialogue act labels whether it's um um if they're annotated as agreement, they're not zero here. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2105.28 2111.06 um they're mostly no not zero, and some of those who are zero are o are still very good. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2099.44 2105.28 So here um for those who get a v that get a very high score,
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2111.06 2118.05 Like I I definitely agree um it's a nice kind of agreement that we probably want to have. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2133.09 2135.46 a lot of zeros. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2119.96 2132.44 Um and when you get further down, yeah, you see those with very low prob um score also have um no agreements. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2132.44 2133.09 Here they are. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2155.85 2156.55 Um because 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2145.14 2152.62 so maybe it's just like maybe b it's just good to have like some generic component with three slide bars or something where we can relatively easily add a fourth one or something,
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2152.62 2155.85 you know, and just like sort of all our fiddle factors. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2134.31 2145.14 Again I think that's probably a good part if we had a slide b um bar initially where we could dynamically adapt the threshold of what we yeah 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2143.55 2147.05 Of what we display, yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2152.84 2153.21 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2150.45 2152.84 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2156.04 2158.73 Obviously we'll hide that in the presentation. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2158.46 2163.23 Uh well it depends, we we could like in some cases we could put it as a feature and say, you know, you can dynamically 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2163.52 2165.48 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2165.25 2173.86 But we don't want I don't think we want to have exposed to the user doing things like adding the threshold of which agreements we display. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2165.3 2166.05 like 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2170.73 2176.96 We wouldn't call it threshold, we would sort of like the granularity of decision or something like it. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2185.06 2190.34 just put a certain graphical item, like a handshake or something cool. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2176.96 2185.06 So and, yeah, and every and everything above that threshold I could then add the utterance where it occurs,
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2190.34 2191.06 Yeah, right. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 2173.46 2173.67 Hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2176.07 2180.05 Decision. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2195.98 2204.87 Then for disagreement I did also, but um it's a bit more difficult because there's so little disagreement. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2187.48 2189.23 Yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2191.69 2193.79 So it looks quite good, I think. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2214.73 2217.69 Smilies. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2193.79 2195.98 Um so that's what I got for agreement. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2204.87 2207.1 Yeah, so there you s again see the list. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2207.1 2214.73 But it's much shorter and it's mu much worse. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2189.23 2190.55 Yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2190.55 2191.69 Right. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2190.29 2192.71 Yeah, they uh that does look quite promising, doesn't it. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 2193.25 2193.48 Hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2204.48 2204.96 Mm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2209.33 2213.13 So you can have happy faces and angry faces. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2210.88 2214.8 Yes, I was j it I was just thinking the same, like it's it's so tempting 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2214.8 2220.51 like we we'll we'll have yellow we'll have yellow smilies and yellow angry faces. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2220.51 2223.19 Ah, beautiful. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2219.16 2228.89 Um that is um here at the list of utterances it um gets us for the first meeting. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2229.3 2235.9 Didn't somebody say that actually like a lot of agreements have have actual words which should suggest disagreement like? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2235.98 2240.28 Yeah, I mean I think perhaps that's why we have but uh rated so high here. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2245.19 2246.55 So can you um 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2241.77 2243.87 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2243.87 2245.19 That makes sense. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2248.54 2253.57 Think is also rated higher in the non-agreement than in the agreement. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2246.71 2247.35 I think. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2245.82 2246.71 Or think. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2253.57 2255.62 I mean there is some funny things. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2247.35 2248.54 Uh yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2247.98 2248.44 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2250.38 2250.57 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2253.62 2259.01 So will that produce basically an agreement and a disagreement score for every dialogue act? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2261.21 2263.42 Yeah, that's effectively what I'm getting here. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2259.48 2261.21 Um yes. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2261.86 2266.4 So could you put them in the same format as the other data? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2266.4 2268.83 And I'll make us t to read it in. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2274.8 2277.01 And I mean this is the dialogue act number. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2265.69 2274.8 Yeah, it's just I mean it's it's exactly this thing, but just I would I would just have to re-scale this factor here. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2277.01 2277.46 So 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2277.77 2279.26 Oh right, okay. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2279.26 2283.48 So I could probably I could probably read it from uh that file already. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2282.01 2285.3 Yeah, I can just give it to you in the format you want. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2285.3 2286.53 So it w it will just k 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2292.25 2295.06 You can put both the scores in one file if it makes it easier. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2285.66 2292.25 My preferred would be dialogue act number, then you can put both the scores in one file. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2292.19 2292.42 Huh? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2288.64 2292.19 And then score, yeah, it this was just for showing it. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2295.48 2298.69 If they're corresponding ea for each thing, yeah, they should be right. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2298.69 2302.67 So for each utterance you have one agreement and one disagreement score. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2297.36 2297.71 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2301.12 2302.6 Agreement and one disagreement. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2302.28 2302.55 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2304.07 2305.61 Uh something like it. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2305.6 2305.96 Okay. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2306.25 2311.67 So I'll read that into um I'll make it part of the get measure thing. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2311.67 2313.4 So you can just get it with a flag 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2315.25 2316.21 using get measure. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2316.75 2317.75 Okay, yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2317.75 2318.6 The one where we current 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2318.11 2320.89 So you know how zero is T. F. I. D. F. . 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2320.89 2327.91 One is um the well I've called it word importance, but that's a really m misleading name. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2325.9 2332.87 You know what, if you can if you introduce um like a sort of a static, what's it called, public static int. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2349.69 2352.32 and then it's easier to understand for both of us what's going on. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2332.87 2338.58 So basically a constant like that's Java's type of a constant, and give them names, like so zero T. D. I. D. F. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2323.85 2324.92 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2338.58 2343.58 one that probably makes the code a lot more readable for everybody who's playing around with it. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2343.58 2345.19 You know you know what I mean? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2324.92 2325.9 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2322.03 2323.85 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2345.19 2349.69 So just like whatever, three means agreement value, and then I'd just write something agreement 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2342.31 2343.05 Yeah, probably. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2344.98 2345.28 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2353.33 2353.92 Yeah, okay. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2401.12 2406.76 But I perhaps investigate some time still to 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2375.48 2377.19 But um yeah 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2362.58 2370.65 So um I was thinking perhaps at looking um at the um acoustic measures I have. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2370.65 2375.48 So for example at my F. zero um deviation. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2377.19 2393.63 by now I just had a look at the yeah data um and actually the average F. zero deviation is only slightly higher for the positive ones than for the negative ones. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2393.63 2401.12 I mean there is a p difference, but it's probably not significant enough to really make use of it. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2358.35 2362.58 Because I mean obviously they all write it the same. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2354.01 2358.35 Um one problem I used to have is with all the yeahs. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2371.08 2371.41 Hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2402.5 2406.84 I would also th yeah but I would also th 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2405.94 2413.63 Uh the problem is yeah is occurring not only as an agreement, but really frequently as like uh an encouragement as well, isn't it. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2411.64 2412.01 Yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2413.19 2413.71 Yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2420.1 2425.42 it will sound different than if it than into if it is just a back-channel. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2413.71 2420.1 So and I th my my hypothesis was that if it's really yeah, uh like agreement 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2413.83 2414.12 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2420.21 2420.46 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2425.84 2429.26 But you know what, I think we should put the threshold for that one in the end quite high anyway. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2429.26 2430.91 So probably it doesn't make much of a difference. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2430.91 2432.67 Because I think this thing 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2426.71 2426.86 Mm. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2439.53 2443.37 You have it also with words that are much higher ranked. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2432.34 2435.77 But that has nothing to do with the threshold. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2435.77 2439.53 Because you have uh you have um you don't have it only with yeahs. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2443.37 2454.23 You have the same problem like for example with yep is much higher ranked, because it occurs less often um in the training thing. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2435.73 2436.51 No, but like 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2454.29 2458.64 But I mean the fact that different ones have the same number in itself isn't a problem, is it? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2461.34 2464.11 Um it's only if they're used in different contexts. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2460.63 2461.34 No. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2471.76 2474.43 So you're saying that you're not sure if every yep is an agreement or 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2467.38 2471.76 So if if for every yep you'd be sure that it's an agreement, than that wouldn't be a problem. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2475.92 2479.96 Yes, I b yeah, I know that not every yep is an agreement. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2479.96 2486.65 Because y um this right, yep and okay things are typically also back-channels. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2480.21 2480.67 Hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2491.19 2495.1 'Cause if it's below about 'cause I saw there's ones up in the eighties, wasn't there. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2495.1 2502.05 If it's below like fifty, it's probably or exactly no they're all but one. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2486.37 2491.19 How what's the highest um ranked one that that kind of problem occurs with? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2501.29 2504.69 Yeah, but we would throw a lot away that are quite good. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2509.13 2514.46 So it'd only matter if it occurs on ones that are really highly ranked. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2506.13 2509.13 'Cause we on the display we probably take quite high. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2506.32 2508.78 If you if you would set it off. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2514.17 2519.36 So over over how many different over which length is this? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2525.02 2529.57 Okay, so w I think we really do have to put the threshold quite quite high then, because 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2519.36 2525.02 Now this is like so the third column is the utterance where it occurs, right? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2524.37 2524.71 Yes. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2529.3 2532 Well otherwise you'd get icons all over the place. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2532 2532.81 So anyway 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2528.39 2529.3 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2531.67 2535.19 Yes, 'cause it I was just I was just checking, you know, like how far apart are they 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2535.19 2541.78 and at the moment that's definitely not a good thing to display if they're like an average ten ten utterances apart or something. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2534.17 2534.59 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2541.21 2541.56 Yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2543.01 2543.23 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2543.3 2551.21 So we want probably want to take a threshold at least of fifty or sixty, just as a looking at that. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2553.73 2567.13 I think for this meeting um there were um what was it, like ar around si or ninety annotated agreements or yeah, ag agreement dialogue acts. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2564.77 2565.16 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2567.15 2567.46 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2574.17 2577.19 We'd want to rate them as how important they were, wouldn't we. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2570.88 2574.17 To we probably won't want to display ninety. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2571.4 2572.01 So 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2580.77 2585.67 I mean the b the best ones are definitely those on the first screen here. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2585.67 2587.66 So it could just 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2585.65 2586.03 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2602.51 2612.32 And then we see what what looks good and what looks I think probably it looks credible if like an u if every sort of every topic segment has um w yeah,
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2612.32 2617.88 or like or like something in between the three and and five agreements, but not more. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2586.98 2596.98 I'd say probably a good way of going about that question is to have a control which we can vary in the dis and then just sort of because that's in the end how it's gonna be evaluated. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2596.98 2602.51 You know, in the end it this is gonna li I mean we're gonna present it and say yeah, so this our it shows disagreements. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2617.88 2623.42 Or probably maybe less but not much less and actually the I think there doesn't have to be one in everything. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2586.67 2586.98 Again 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2593.06 2594.44 Yeah, and see how it turns out. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2610.6 2617.06 An agreement at the end. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2611.73 2614.25 Yeah, okay. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2611.23 2611.73 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2625.67 2631.58 Probably have to plot them 'cause some of them are also I mean this is just added by different speakers for example. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2631.58 2634.33 They are immediately following one another. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2624.8 2625.67 Yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2634.33 2637.4 But it's just two speakers agreeing I think. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2637.4 2641.32 Same for this one here, for these two here. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2640.16 2644.69 So yeah, we'd probably want to merge ones that were very close into one. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2644.08 2646.85 I mean they they will be optically merged anyway. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2647.15 2647.5 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2654.34 2655.37 Um 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2649.09 2654.34 N yes, but maybe in an expensive way or maybe in a stupid looking way though. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2649.57 2650.48 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2654.73 2663.53 Yeah, and we should probably make some logic when it displays it that says if there's ones very close together, it just centres it among the 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2659.38 2664.41 Yeah, d I'm yeah, I was just thinking that it can act it can probably be done on display level. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2669.52 2670.23 Yeah, okay. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2670.23 2671.85 That was just what I 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2671.32 2672.65 Yeah, it's looking quite good though. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2672.8 2673.65 This one crashed. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2676.07 2680.54 It probably just it kept on playing and now reached some whatever. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2673.65 2676.07 Mine just crashed I think, which is bad. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2683.41 2687.93 I think it's always really funny that when you look at people's computers who don't use the computer much,
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2692.54 2695.52 So mine's like that as well. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2687.93 2692.54 their desktop's really tidy, and when you work with people who use it all the time there's stuff everywhere. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2691.52 2701.33 I onl only keep uh the stuff I actually need on it and then I clean it up every, you know, every 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2696.94 2697.33 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2699.2 2700.74 My God. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2714.86 2715.52 Okay. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2703.02 2714.86 But actually this all here is N. L. S. S. D. because it was data A. that didn't fit on my um quota anymore. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 2720.36 2724.36 Um who would uh who uh provides the values for that? 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 2715.68 2720.36 So Toby, you wanted to uh have keywords for each topic segment or something? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2719.67 2720.69 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 2724.35 2725.28 No one yet. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2725.48 2725.83 Yeah. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 2725.79 2726.23 No one. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2735.9 2740.17 like realistically looking at this from the the time we have left to do this and stuff. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2726.98 2735.9 I think sort of the bottom line and which might well end up what it's gonna be like is that we take the single highest ranked utterance and put that as a t as a title 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 2731.38 2731.69 Right. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2734.36 2734.76 Yeah. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 2751.71 2754.23 I don't know if that's good or bad. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 2741.41 2747.15 Because what I do is um having um values for each segment at the moment. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 2754.23 2756.94 It could be at least I could provide some value. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 2747.15 2751.71 So I could just extract the highest ones for each segment. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 2751.66 2752.14 Yeah, that 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2751.73 2752 There w 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 2754.4 2755.35 That could be good, yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2764.82 2765.66 Or would that be 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2760.08 2764.82 Yeah, maybe even on a s on a sing like i is that on a r like is that on a word basis, would that be single words? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2758.03 2760.08 Yeah? 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 2767.41 2769.2 I could do both. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 2769.2 2769.63 Okay. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 2765.49 2767.41 Uh it it doesn't matter to me. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2793.5 2797.21 But then probably it's the only time that mm was spelled with a dot at the end and stuff. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2769.56 2773.85 Maybe actually if it if there's one word which is very typical, I mean it's probably some word like uh 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2777.39 2785.89 I think that actually that might be a problem of the whole um annotation that if they aren't exactly consistent in how they descri uh transcribe stuff like that 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2773.85 2777.39 because that's like the only time that uh was spelled with three A. and stuff. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2790.35 2793.5 'Cause that's when we're thinking sometimes, like why is mm high. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2797.21 2799.77 So But yeah, like if if single w 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2767.36 2769.56 'Cause be check out what they would be like on a word basis. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2785.89 2790.35 then we probably can't yeah. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 2783.87 2784.42 Mm. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2784.37 2790.01 Yeah, same thing uh um with the yoohoos and so on. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 2795.62 2796.02 Mm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2799.41 2810.58 Maybe we should um download a dictionary and check our utterances before we uh listen to make sure that they're actually real words. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2810.58 2811.37 Do you see what I mean? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2810.44 2812.89 I c I have dictionaries. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2812.89 2820.33 If it's just like I have arbitrarily long lists from the British National Corpus of when t usually 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2819.87 2824.72 That do not include mm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2823.13 2828.96 Well let's say at least they do it uh consistently enough that I think you can filter them out fairly well. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 2824.1 2824.21 Hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2834.23 2837.68 If they look good, then that's a good way of doing it as any, I suppose. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2832.39 2834.23 Yeah, I mean see how it turns out. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 2839.09 2839.29 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2839.25 2847.89 Yeah, so if you if like I mean if the single ha best one word for a for a segment is interesting, that would be really good. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 2847.87 2848.18 Hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2851.08 2852.14 Seem to be having 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2851.87 2859.78 Actually, what I think you should do is take the highest three or four and then just merge them together into one utterance. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2859.78 2866.22 It wouldn't make any sense, but it'd give you an idea of what they're actually talking about, if you see what I mean. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2856.78 2860.47 Use a random s 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 2867.39 2867.68 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2867.91 2871.08 'Kay, we're going backwards here now, it suddenly crashes and hangs. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 2869.8 2871.93 Especially when the segments are really long. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2871.96 2872.37 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2881.08 2890.25 I mean that was part of it that sort of within the segment you had these sub-segments and each of them had different words and whatever happened to our dreams? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2892.5 2893.52 No, I don't think we have. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2876.71 2881.08 Yeah, I mean that was that was sort of in the original of then, the nice fancy drawings that we gave Steven. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2890.25 2892.5 Are there assignments. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 2888.29 2888.59 Uh. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2889.5 2891.62 Yeah, I don't think we're gonna have time for that. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2894.31 2896.49 Which is a shame 'cause it would've been cool. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2897.28 2897.56 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 2897.61 2897.77 Hmm. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 2903.34 2907.01 Or is it just gonna be displaying single meetings and you'll hold up different ones? 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 2899.39 2903.34 Yeah, are we gonna have time to make it display like a whole archive of meetings? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2905.3 2909.07 Um at the moment it doesn't really care how many meetings it's displaying. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2909.52 2910.62 Hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2910.62 2913.59 Poor man's solution is probably gonna be to have a a list 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2912.87 2916.45 Just draw a big black line on the borders, I think. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 2916.76 2917.05 Hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2917.33 2919.87 Oh, so j you you are think of loading them all at once. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2920.07 2923.15 Well y you you can if you want to. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2923.15 2923.45 It's 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2922.67 2923.05 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2924.97 2925.37 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2928.98 2929.74 It doesn't really 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2925.05 2928.98 'Cause it ju it can display from any utterance to any other utterance. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 2930.53 2938.06 Yeah, the see, at the moment the dialogue I. D. s just they start at zero for each meeting, they don't run um continuously. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 2938.06 2939.87 But you w you'd like them to run continuously. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2930.56 2931.12 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2939 2940.83 Yeah, I'd prefer them drawn continuously. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2935.87 2937.27 Do they? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2937.27 2939 Ah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2940.61 2941.15 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 2941.2 2942.75 Yeah, I can change that. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2943.69 2951.03 Okay, then you you will provide a file with all the mappings from the old ones to the 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2943.72 2944.24 Even though we 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 2948.04 2950.55 Yeah, just to change the index files as well. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2951.08 2951.39 'Kay. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2952.68 2960.06 Because that way, all we have to do to display ea more than one meeting is have a harder boundary drawn. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2951.3 2952.68 Okay. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 2953.64 2954.33 unique ones. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2960.23 2960.9 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2973.33 2979.36 'cause I think everything in the display code is just from the first until the last one displayed. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2979.36 2984.01 So if if the other performance is okay, then we should really just load the whole thing in. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2960.9 2967.47 Yeah, I think that like the dr the drawing has to be changed anyway, the it's not ideal at the moment. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2967.47 2973.33 Um yeah, so if performance-wise it generally works fine for the display it shouldn't make much of a difference 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 2985.75 2986.41 I'm very dis 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2994.02 2998.16 So if there's more than one meeting displayed,
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2986.12 2994.02 One thing we will have to do is we want we'd really want a different behaviour if we clicked on a whole meeting than a segment. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 2998.16 3005.45 it should um if you click even on one the segments of that meeting, I think it should re-initialize and display that just that meeting. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3007.6 3009.89 So I'm not su I'm not sure how easy that would be to do. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3018.91 3020.27 So initially the display 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3013.18 3018.91 See, that probably just means that the display sort of has an internal knowledge about what level of zoom it has. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3025.04 3025.73 That's the only 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3020.91 3025.04 It just needs to know whether it's displaying more than one whole meeting, doesn't it. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3027.99 3028.99 knowledge it would need. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3030.63 3031.52 Yes. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3033.78 3034.16 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3033.97 3037.45 But anyway, we can sort that out if we have time once we've got everything else. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3037.15 3044.43 That's probably fairly simple to do actually if we do it in that most primitive way of just saying as long as you display more than one meeting. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3035.98 3037.15 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3044.78 3045.1 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3046.32 3050.55 That'll get s s sufficient to claim that we had implemented some kind of zoom as well. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3089.76 3091.55 Even now it doesn't have to. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3081.32 3087.4 but yeah, but uh that's okay, as long as my display I was just thinking my display can't handle displaying a million different segments. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3053.1 3055.89 We then need some way of getting back up again in the hierarchy 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3062.73 3065.65 and you press that and then you're on the display the whole thing again. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3065.65 3074.94 But for that at the moment my display code needs that thing to work, the one oh no, that's working at the moment anyway 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3055.89 3062.73 but that in the worst case it will just be a static sort of arrow up button in the right hand topper corner of the display 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3087.4 3089.76 But now r no, but it doesn't have to. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3092.88 3099.43 Um so Dave, can you just turn this what we have right now in 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3051.72 3053.1 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3091.55 3092.88 Okay, well that's all details. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3074.94 3081.32 the one that I just say give me one hundred values over that length and then you're internally okay,
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3061.26 3061.65 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3065.63 3065.85 Mm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3079.35 3082.08 Yeah, it's not done the very clever way, but it does work. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3089.51 3089.91 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3099.07 3100.73 Basically do a code for ease on it. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3101.67 3103.31 Do you want me to put a search in soon? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3116.94 3119.02 Unless you want to do it. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3110.68 3116.94 And um if you could document it for me, that's probably enough for me to add it in. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3123.01 3125.91 So though it's a bit hairy at the moment, isn't it. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3119.02 3123.01 But my code, I've not documented the programme manager class. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3104.12 3110.68 Um I'll probably tonight just work on getting a frozen version that works consistently. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3108.79 3109.25 No, oh yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3112.12 3112.42 Make 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3110.53 3112.12 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3117.05 3117.3 Yes. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3118.37 3119.4 Uh And if an 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3118.95 3120.46 Yeah well, we'll work on it, yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3163.15 3170.56 but I haven't figured out how it works, and that's something that probably so if everyone is ever bored or anyone feels that they can do that 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3147.61 3152.03 But there is means of doing tool tips that just I c I put my mouse over. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3152.03 3155.65 Let's say I put my mouse over this line here and then it would tell me something about what it is. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3130.69 3142.3 um one thing that would be convenient for all sorts of things and which I haven't found out about it is how to do tool tips in an arbitrary way in in in Swing graphic displays. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3127.02 3130.69 If anyone feels that they have free time, uh this is a joke 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3142.3 3147.61 Now there is simple ways of doing tool tips over a given element, like if you have a button and you just give it a tool tip text. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3155.65 3163.15 And that would be quite convenient for a lot of things because then we can sort of have a lot of information in the display in the in the way that just when the mouse is over it,
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3129.98 3130.27 Uh-huh. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3154.28 3154.59 Hmm. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 3161.39 3162.37 Mm-hmm, yes. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3170.62 3173.5 Okay, so probably what you'd want to do is um 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3175.22 3180.66 detect where the mouse is and change the default tool tip for that component. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3181.93 3183.03 Yes, but 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3182.58 3186.34 Because it automatically displays at the correct position when you hover. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3186.6 3192.65 Yeah, but the the thing is it it isn't simply an act of setting a string default tool tip. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3192.65 3198.48 There seems to be something about a tool tip object that you have to create and give it all sorts of different properties and stuff or 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3198.2 3202.28 Yeah, you might nor really want to be creating a new one every time you move the mouse. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3204.02 3207.51 So if if anybody looks into that, then let me know. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3202.6 3204.02 So anyway, I haven't looked much into that. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3209.64 3210.48 But if anybody 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3207.51 3209.64 Otherwise I'll start looking into it as soon as I have time again. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3202.29 3202.6 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3210.69 3215.19 I'll have a look through some of my Java books 'cause it might be the sort of thing they have in there. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3216.41 3220.55 I found some stuff about it on the web and it just looked to me like proper coding 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3233.32 3235.32 Anyways, that is that it for now? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3228.09 3233.32 So if anybody gets any good samples of that Never. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3215.21 3216.41 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3220.55 3228.09 like I saw half-page code samples which effectively just displayed a tool tip and I didn't have the time at that point to get deeper into that. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3227.74 3228.11 Mm. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3236.8 3236.97 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3236.98 3240.28 Is there all is that g version all in the 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3240.68 3244.63 No, but I'm gonna I'm going up Appleton Tower now and I have my external hard disk. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3244.63 3245.29 So I can 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3244.94 3245.36 Cool. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3245.36 3249.17 So I'll start working on that in like half an hour or something and it will be the 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3243.76 3244.94 Okay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3250.05 3250.38 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3250.61 3250.98 Okay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3257.95 3261.11 Can you show me where because I'm actually not going to Appleton Tower at the moment. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3263.76 3268.81 Actually no, but I have to go there anyway and put a piece of paper on two machines where some stuff of mine is running on. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3261.11 3263.76 So then I don't have to go up and down. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3256.91 3257.95 Freely accessible for me. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3254.17 3256.91 Is there any DICE machines in this building? 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3256.65 3256.93 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 3257.23 3257.32 Mm. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3259.12 3259.31 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3284.12 3289.62 Apart from Cognitive Modelling, which I think I'll just do in five hours, three hours. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3289.62 3290.52 you take a look at that? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3275.64 3284.12 Yeah, and I think like I'll just I'll just kick in full time for N. L. S. S. D. next week, 'cause there's nothing I have to do then. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3289.67 3289.87 Hmm. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 3291.37 3293.43 Yeah, but not too detailed. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 3293.43 3293.79 So 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3294.99 3303.05 I might just not go for the last question because usually the last question is takes half the time and gives you five percent or something like Okay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3293.63 3294.99 Hmm. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3302.92 3305.23 Yes, we're gonna talk about the evaluation next week. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3309.15 3313.43 We really need to get in contact with the other group and see if they want to do a joint evaluation. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3314.24 3314.99 Yeah, we could do that. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3317.28 3318.7 So you need to get their email addresses. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3320.24 3324.22 Yeah, I think they're on the N. L. S. S. D. web page. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3324.22 3324.52 Hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3323.48 3323.86 Are they? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3324.63 3324.93 Really? 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 3324.76 3328.19 At least their names, and if we have their names then we can get their email. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3325.19 3326.54 That'd be handy. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3326.54 3327.47 Yeah, we can get them. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3327.04 3327.49 Okay. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3335.62 3336.73 But he obviously hasn't. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3330.92 3335.62 'Cause I was hoping that Steve would mention it Ian 'cause we've mentioned it to him so many times. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3329.5 3330.92 So you do is sending them an email. 
EN2001e H02 FEO065 3334.8 3335.17 Mm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3341.11 3342.23 I mean we didn't talk to them. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3342.23 3342.47 So 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3338.38 3341.11 No, maybe he has mentioned it to them, but they just never talked to us. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3341.65 3341.99 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3347.95 3351.34 Like I first knew oh, there's a lot of time between the presentation and the report. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3351.34 3353.96 And then I knew oh, now the presentation is shifted. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3344.78 3347.95 It's sort of coming as a shock to me now because I was sort of in this mindset. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3353.96 3362.1 But the correlation between those two facts, the interdependencies, there's some fancy planning language about that. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3362.1 3362.68 But that 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3362.42 3365.97 S there's the frame problem. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3368.59 3370.48 Frame plob problem. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3364.42 3368.59 Yes, it's um it's probably some version of the frame problem. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3370.48 3371.66 Hasn't been clear to me. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3376.41 3378.74 No, I think it's coming together not bad at the moment actually. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3380.85 3381.09 Yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 3381.7 3386.64 Um by the way how long um how much time do we have for the presentation? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3387.1 3387.63 Don't know. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3390.21 3392.14 But yeah, I don't know. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3388 3390.21 Yeah, probably as long as we need. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3392.14 3393.11 Half an hour or some 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3389.82 3390.16 Yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 3391.73 3395.26 Yeah, but more like twenty minutes or more like an hour? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3395.27 3396.29 Well, I reckon that it 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3395.66 3398.09 I can't see it going on for an hour to be honest. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3396.84 3398.66 Yeah, half an hour probably. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3398.18 3399.28 I reckon that probab 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 3403.72 3408.7 then you will need more than twenty minutes to present it, I guess. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 3408.7 3409.56 It's question. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 3398.79 3403.72 Yeah, I mean if you if you if you present the components of what it it's based on,
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3416.43 3421.03 So for a demo, I think realistically since everything in this university sort of works in one hour slots and stuff. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3414.52 3416.43 So yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3408.67 3414.52 But if you just present the functionality of the thing, if you're not like I don't think this presentation is about the internal working. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3421.03 3424.98 So if it's two groups then it probably it's gonna be roughly half an hour-ish. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 3411.69 3412.5 Yeah, then 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3414.56 3416.19 Yeah, I thought it was a demo basically. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3414.84 3415.19 Hmm. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3416.65 3417.09 Yeah, I think. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3423.53 3425.63 Half an hour. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3429.52 3434.55 Ten minutes of that will probably be set up time as well. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3425.63 3429.52 And like ten minutes of that would be probably set up time as well. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3425.21 3425.57 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3429.06 3429.28 Hmm? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3431.57 3435.79 No, why is th this is gonna be so bad. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3435.79 3437.64 Like there's gonna be some small l 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3437.15 3442.76 I we maybe you should present it on your laptop 'cause we can be really sure it's running before we come. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3442.02 3445.38 Yeah, but the performance is really bad at the moment on that one though. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3444.79 3445.19 Hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3447.06 3450.12 Plus we would have to get the speech tools running on my laptop then, wouldn't we? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3453.28 3454.65 I know a couple of people with cars. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3449.67 3453.28 I could probably get my computer in if I could get someone to give me a lift. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3453.12 3453.48 Mm. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3456.67 3457.91 Could we guarantee that it'd work? 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3455.04 3456.67 Yeah, it may be a good idea to do that. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3465.5 3469.14 But we can only really judge that once we have sound files. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3460.27 3465.5 I mean like at the moment it's not too bad apart from I think the sound is stuttering and that's b I think because of the laptop. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3456.66 3460.27 Did it it could just be fluent on the laptop for all I know. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3455.29 3456.66 Well let's let's see. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3468.38 3472.08 Yeah, 'cause I wouldn't need to bring a monitor or anything, I'll just need to bring the box. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3472.5 3472.73 Hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3474.45 3476.86 I'm pretty sure I could nick a lift off someone. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3477.7 3478.85 How fast is yours, Vera? 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 3480.8 3482.87 Uh it doesn't have Linu Linux. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 3482.87 3483.21 So 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 3479.92 3480.8 My computer? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3480.81 3481.14 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3482.96 3486.63 Well net would run on anything. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3486.63 3487.52 But 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3487.51 3489.45 Or J. Builder. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3489.45 3492.8 In fact you won't even you shouldn't even need either as long as you got Java installed. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3489.14 3489.76 Yes. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3492.78 3494.64 Yeah, that's true. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3492.04 3492.78 No, that's true. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3496.29 3501.4 But but but that all relies on finding some way of getting the speech tools to do their job. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3494.64 3496.29 Virtual Machine should be fine. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3492.75 3494.25 Yeah, I've been able to run it without, yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3494.57 3494.79 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3501.82 3503.49 Oh crap, I forgot about that. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3503.43 3513.59 Yeah, see that's 'cause that's the thing, like that would rely on I just don't think it's a good idea to run the speech tools in 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3505.07 3510.05 Cygwin maybe? 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3505.63 3505.79 Hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3512.81 3515.2 In Cygwin. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3515.2 3519.53 No, but Cygwin should run um the Java as well. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3514.32 3514.58 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3525.18 3525.79 Um 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3520.5 3525.18 No no no no, d wherever this is going, it doesn't sound good. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3534.52 3538.56 but that would still mean that we have to get the speech tools running on this. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3529.54 3534.52 We can he can use my laptop as sort of like as a as a server as a sound server 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3538.56 3542.06 No, you know, I think I mean the way Java works is that t 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3532.32 3533.81 A sound server. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 3533.93 3534.28 Mm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3544.1 3550.51 I think it'll run on on their DICE machine if we're doing it in if we well we should definitely test it the day before. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3547.19 3548.24 Hopefully, yeah. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 3550.06 3551.72 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3550.81 3554.19 Yeah, I'm sure he'll let us uh test it out before we do it. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3552.25 3553.9 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3553.9 3554.23 'Kay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3562.92 3566.63 So Dave, are you gonna make something primitive that people can load their data in? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3568.7 3572.64 And I'll yeah, I'll make a script to run it and put that in the group directory. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3566.87 3568.7 Yep, I'll do that today. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3568.76 3569.01 Ok 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3574.44 3576.27 And I'll send around the email when it's done. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3576.59 3577.03 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3579.66 3579.96 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3579.96 3588.72 I'm not I'm not a hundred percent sure what needs to be changed to make it work with the to make it not crash if it doesn't have a sound card. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3588.72 3592.82 There's there's quite a bit you have to comment out for that, which is stupid because I 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3595.37 3597.11 Or is there stuff in the display as well? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3592.37 3595.37 It'll be the bit where it creates the clock. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3597.98 3598.48 Yeah the yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3598.48 3606.5 No, but the thing is the display calls methods which probably expect some so I think if the display itself isn't doing anything clocky 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3606.5 3612.3 so as long as in the main pr in the programme manager everything clocky is is removed 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3612.3 3617.71 but uh i w it might be worthwhile to check how much work it would be to do it over a flag,
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3617.71 3621.67 'cause then in the end i 'cause otherwise we always have two code versions, and people might be changing the wrong one. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3612.29 3612.74 Okay. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3621.21 3623.69 Well, it really we shouldn't even need a flag. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3623.69 3625.97 You should be able to do it with exceptions. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3625.97 3630.1 I mean that's this is kinda not exact case that exceptions are made for really. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3634.95 3638.67 Like if you don't have a sound card it crashes, even if you don't use sound. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3630.21 3631.05 Yeah, that's true. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3627.65 3628.63 Okay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3631.05 3634.08 I just I know that like if you don't do it with the exceptions, crashes. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3638.67 3639.55 Yeah, okay, cool. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3634.08 3634.95 That's what figured out. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3628.63 3630.21 Okay. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3635.15 3635.5 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3641.03 3649.53 Yeah Dave, see in the programme manager, do you have a a method to like set the current I. D. so it'll update the display? 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3649.53 3652.57 'Cause that's what I'm gonna need when I'm uh like getting search results. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3643.77 3644.1 Mm-hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3652.76 3655.72 Oh no, it's gonna have to do something a bit more complicated than that. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3655.72 3663.81 What it will have to do is de-register everything as time handlers and then update and then re-register them. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3658.47 3658.78 Hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3664.5 3667.71 Uh I think the display has some method for it. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3670.4 3674.98 I'm not actually a hundred percent sure what it's called, but the display has some method where you tell it where to start and where to end. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3667.71 3670.4 I'm not actually like for the programme manager then to call. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3665.14 3665.42 Right. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3679.57 3681.25 Yeah or there's gonna be something. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3683.29 3690.06 Yeah, well as far as I've got at the moment, I've made a results class that's got like the I. D. and the stuff. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3688.59 3691.79 Have you got a component for displaying lists of matches? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3691.79 3693.79 'Cause that'd be pretty useful. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3686.92 3688.59 Okay. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3693.79 3694.18 Cool. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3692.48 3693.13 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3693.87 3694.91 I'm well, I'm working on it. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3693.13 3693.87 Yep. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3699.43 3706.36 All you have to do is de-register everything that's a time handler first before you add the stuff in. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3706.36 3709.5 But um depends what behaviour we want. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3709.5 3715.74 Do we want when you click on a search result, we definitely want that one to appear in the summary. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3696.06 3699.43 Okay, yeah, I mean it's not it's not too hard to do. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3702.95 3703.18 Right. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3714.45 3716.83 Well actually, Dave Da Dave Dave Dave 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3718.43 3720.08 I know, I was thinking that might be a problem. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3716.13 3718.43 I yeah, and it might not be there. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3717.84 3718.24 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3720.39 3720.8 Okay. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3725.29 3728.37 But actually a set selection does everything you want sort of. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3720.8 3725.29 No sorry, I've uh I was wrong, I was thinking it's exactly the same thing that happens when we say set select no, it does not. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3729.45 3733.2 Yeah, it sets if you look at set select, that's essentially what you wanna do, yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3733.9 3742.25 because well it it doesn't tell the display which part to di which part to to display because the display has just called set selection to 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3731.71 3733.9 No, but set selection doesn't update the display though 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3734.5 3734.93 Does it not? 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3735.26 3735.47 Hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3749.86 3753 then your display would the the line'll jump, won't it. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3743.02 3749.86 Yeah, but it w it doesn't matter because um if it's jumped to in the end text area,
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3748.66 3749.02 If 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3765.26 3769.94 Uh no, but that's not a good idea, because that could well be outside the displayed area then. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3753.58 3759.74 Yeah, but that only works that at the moment isn't done through our system, that's just done because then the time changes. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3759.74 3765.26 So actually a time change would automatically put the position of the display in the right play. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3763.41 3763.69 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3770.92 3776.3 Uh and also the real time and play time stuff would change. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3776.3 3780.03 So we, yeah, we need to re-initialize the display then, don't we. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3775.02 3775.8 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3775.8 3776.61 So 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3780.23 3784.62 No, I think the display has a method for that ready, which is called 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3779.92 3780.23 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3787.13 3789.78 Anyway, the display has something useful for that. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3789.78 3791.7 Something which probably starts with the word set. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3796.63 3800.3 Yeah, you can set the window start utterance and window end utterance. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3800.78 3801.18 Okay. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3804.74 3804.97 Hmm. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3805.22 3812.97 But yeah, we need to do something to ensure that the search result is in the summary that's created. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3810.71 3811.16 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3815.49 3823.42 So may we probably want a different summary constructor that takes an an additional argument of an I. D. . 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3823.42 3826.28 And it will that w utterance will always be in the summary. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3823.51 3823.84 Hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3830.46 3836.14 As a hack, you know, like just as long as you then don't well, probably people wouldn't know. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3826.43 3830.46 Alternatively there's always the method of just giving it a really high score. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3833.02 3835.78 Yeah, I suppose. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3835.78 3843.84 But the trouble is that still doesn't guarantee that it'll appear because if you get enough of them that are high scored, it prefers the first ones it sees. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3840.78 3841.15 Hmm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3842.98 3848.35 Well you could you could put one point one when the other ones only go up to the one. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3848.35 3851.13 But no, it's it's not it's not a nice way, I'm just saying. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3847.24 3847.76 Yeah, I suppose. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3860.88 3862.76 'Cause that's maybe what you'd want if you were a user. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3848.46 3852.47 W You could you could when it's when you're doing a search,
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3852.47 3860.88 you could just like sort of zoom back out so you got the full text for that segment or that meeting, rather than a summary. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3860.96 3861.74 Hmm, maybe. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3863.38 3869.18 Yeah, probably that actually true that if you're doing a search you're usually not interested in a condensed way but in the in the full thing anyway. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 3868.46 3868.89 Yes. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3869.36 3870.54 You could provide that option. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3869.71 3873.04 But you could d you can um achieve the same effect. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 3871.06 3881.81 And you would otherwise it would be too complicated to cope with the thi uh system if you have to re-adjust it uh to a different zoom level to get better results. 
EN2001e H00 FEO066 3881.81 3885.59 I mean it would behave strangely in the eyes of the user. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3877.27 3877.63 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3881.62 3893.96 Probably the way to handle that would be to make a summary that's the same length as the selection, and that would ensure that the search term came up. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3882.8 3883.01 Hmm. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3885.25 3885.61 Mm. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3889.73 3890.19 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3891.57 3892.06 Yeah. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3891.71 3892.01 Hmm. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3893.92 3894.65 Alright. 
EN2001e H04 MEE068 3894.65 3894.96 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3932.05 3937.07 And that's the type of slider that we can actually leave in and like show 'cause that's that's functionality. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3895.62 3904.09 I think proportion like I even though I'm I'm always getting myself confused about this, but I think sort of making the summary length thing generally proportion 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3945.51 3947.12 Anything to be discussed? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3937.07 3940.96 Yeah, that's sort of like your level of the zoom. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3908.85 3917.46 Because anything with absolute length's sort of stupid because that means that a long long segment gets to one percent of its length and another one gets to exactly the same length and stuff. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3929.21 3932.05 So yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3917.46 3929.21 So if we're doing it by a proportion then just having one point zero or something makes it very easy to always end up at the actually that's what I've currently like the current code just takes a tenth of the summary length. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3940.96 3943.76 Of impending doom. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3943.76 3945.51 Shall we quit here? 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3904.09 3908.85 like as a as a proportional factor of of its original length is a good way of going about it. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3905.66 3906.07 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3921.05 3921.89 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3927.88 3929.21 Yeah. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3929.21 3931.02 But we'll have that slider obviously. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3934.97 3936.82 Yeah, 'cause that's very useful thing. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3945.36 3945.59 Yeah. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3951.32 3954.69 'Cause I'm gonna copy that stuff over. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3958.04 3958.87 Will it be done by then? 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3953.13 3954.44 Okay. 
EN2001e H03 MEE067 3954.44 3958.04 And I'll start work in say two. 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3961.88 3963.58 So I'll just 
EN2001e H01 MEO069 3959.75 3961.88 Yeah, otherwise you'll you'll definitely see me in M. S. N. . 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 0.37 1.74 Funky sh stuff like that. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 6.65 6.85 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 0.96 6.65 Wonder how much of the meetings is talking about the stuff at the meetings. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 3.58 5.38 Yeah, exactly, yeah yeah yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 8.72 11.83 Okay. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 5.4 8.72 Look at all this stuff man. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 4.68 5.4 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 11.83 12.13 Right. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 3.61 4.68 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 7.89 8.94 Okay. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 12.32 15.22 So what do we need to talk about? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 13.2 13.72 Should we 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 14.98 15.62 Has anybody 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 15.21 24.17 Well should we just go around and everyone says what they d what they've been doing, how far they've got. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 24.17 25.22 Well I hope so. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 19.07 23.69 Has anybody done anything? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 21.47 23.11 Not a lot. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 23.11 23.29 No. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 26.44 27.07 Okay. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 25.5 26.44 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 28.2 30.16 So 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 27.07 28.2 Sounds like you've done some stuff. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 25.76 26.15 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 27.79 29.9 You better start. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 27.87 30.57 Okay. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 30.57 33.85 Well I've got a browser now, which Whoops. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 33.85 34.4 Already gone. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 28.01 30.73 Uh 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 32.53 32.71 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 32.58 32.71 'Kay. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 38.04 43.72 Oh, I don't mind as well. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 34.04 38.04 Good start. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 43.72 45.5 This wasn't a good start. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 36.34 36.6 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 40.91 44.13 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 41.52 43.42 Good at this. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 49.32 49.78 Sorry. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 48.29 49.32 Okay. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 49.78 50.06 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 48.72 49.02 Okay. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 50.38 51.42 So yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 59.35 66.81 And then when you go on the menu, you can select a summarisation box, which pops up, and an audio player. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 51.42 59.35 We've go a browser we've um which comes up automatically with a transcription box and the topics. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 68.23 68.55 Right. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 73.04 79.75 And it loads up um just the background window is empty and um so when you start 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 68.79 73.04 Um and a s I think the search works as well, so you could pop up a search. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 79.75 84.75 you have to either open open a particular observation or do a search and open it through that. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 86.48 87.07 Does that make sense? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 88.61 96.03 Um the transcription box has got a summarise but button, which doesn't do anything yet. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 96.03 103.91 Um now I wonder wh how we wanna do, you know, we want a pop-up window with the speaker characterisation. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 123.13 128.38 but so like you click on a button and then that opens whatever that speaker characterisation is. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 115.82 123.13 or we can put an extra button extra few buttons next to the summarise button so that you actually in the transcription box 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 128.38 134.81 The problem is the r the left-click is already used because it highlights that um 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 109.58 115.82 Either we can when you click on the the I. D., any sort of I. D. in the transcription box 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 106.2 109.58 Um either we could do that you know, when does the pop-up come? 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 106.38 106.62 D yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 106.69 106.87 Hmm. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 152.91 155.79 Um I think so yeah, when you left-click it,
EN2002a H02 FEO072 136.62 142.63 that part of speech or whatever that what he's been saying, you know, the the left-click highlights it. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 147.55 152.91 but that'd be a bit annoying if you have left-click for one thing and double-click for something else. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 142.63 147.55 So that you can I don't know what happens when you double-click actually 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 155.79 160.74 you can for example set set the marker there so that the mm the audio goes from there, I think. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 138.78 140.55 The l the left-click or the right-click. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 140.88 141.12 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 142.16 142.51 Right. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 142.58 144.11 Can you use double-click or 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 152.4 152.8 Yeah, I don't know. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 162.68 164.34 Um so we can't put it on left-click. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 164.34 166.38 We could put it on a right-click. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 166.38 168.75 We could for example have a little menu that pops up. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 170.81 170.93 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 169.45 170.81 Yeah, it might be quite good, I suppose. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 170.64 176.69 So right-click on at menu, you know, and you can click on speaker characterisation, up pops the window. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 176.92 179.68 What else could we have in the menu? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 181.7 182.96 I don't know. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 182.96 183.64 Nothing else. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 180.03 181.7 That's a good point. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 181.36 183.02 Okay. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 183.02 186.99 So otherwise you just have a right-click or do you have have a 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 181.89 183.72 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 185.9 185.98 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 185.17 185.9 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 183.72 185.17 Everything. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 182.38 186.42 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 192.81 195.09 Yeah, so yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 195.09 196.85 So but that'd be yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 185.12 191.36 Yeah, yeah, but um I don't know about you, but uh usually in Windows right-click doesn't do anything, does it? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 196.85 197.89 If you just yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 191.36 192.81 It opens a menu. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 190.08 190.65 Is a window. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 192.31 193.24 A menu, yeah yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 193.24 194.05 Yeah, it's why. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 194.05 198.11 And so it might be a bit weird the fir to just start bringing up stuff and then it 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 192.99 193.42 And then 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 198 198.45 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 194.85 196.63 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 196.63 198 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 198.45 202.42 To just have the sort of main same sort of idiom throughout kinda. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 202.42 202.67 So 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 202.12 202.49 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 203.25 203.55 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 203.92 204.27 Hmm. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 204.64 206.61 Um or just, you know, or just the button. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 207.6 207.8 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 220.21 220.56 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 217.98 220.21 It's like more if it's visual. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 207.74 217.98 I guess a button button makes a bit more sense, 'cause otherwise you don't really know that, oh, what if I right-click now, what happens then? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 218.28 221.61 Well no no, you still have the menu the menu pop up that 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 218.41 218.7 Hmm. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 219.6 220.78 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 218.99 219.6 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 220.78 221.49 It's more 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 223.03 224.15 Well oh, yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 229.16 231.24 That's true, yeah, it's more intuitive really, isn't it? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 227.81 229.16 Yeah, that's right. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 226.83 227.81 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 224.15 226.83 It's more obvious, isn't it, w what you can do. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 224.94 225.68 Do you see my 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 226.51 232.04 It's got a button. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 225.08 226.51 It's more idiot proof, isn't it. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 234.63 234.92 I don't know. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 230.5 231.88 But then it's not as extensible. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 234.92 238.04 Whereas a menu type thing is more flexible that way. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 228.14 229.8 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 238.04 240.42 But We're probably not gonna be adding too many things. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 231.88 234.63 Like if we wanna add more things in the future, then we have to well, new buttons. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 229.8 230.5 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 228.18 228.9 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 231.19 233.09 But well, we we can have both, but whatever. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 234.4 236.76 Maybe, maybe. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 234.62 235.39 Add more buttons. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 243.37 251.95 you can have a menu instead of a button but this why I don't think it Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 238.9 239.28 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 239.28 243.37 Well in uh I guess in in In meeting browser one point one 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 242.87 243.81 Okay, exactly. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 245.16 247.46 True, true. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 247.46 249.04 Yes. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 243.81 245.16 I know, I know. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 250.14 260.07 Um but actually what we could do is on in that menu as well we could have an option that pops up a window with all the all the meetings that that user has been in. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 245.6 250.14 In the beta version. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 261.14 261.44 Hmm. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 264.38 266.35 Is that gonna be useful or too much? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 261.35 264.38 Like a search for that user. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 266.35 266.88 Or 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 263.41 263.8 Yep. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 268.07 272.89 So what did you part of the m the menu that comes down, it says give me all your meetings or something. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 267.62 268.07 I guess so. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 272.7 279.18 Yeah, so y when you right-click on it, one one option will be give me all your meetings, characterise the speaker 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 280.12 280.54 Yep. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 284.08 285.27 Or is that too much I mean? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 285.11 290.29 Yeah, um I don't I mean it w it's more like part of the 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 286.06 286.7 I guess so. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 286.7 287.89 It's an idea. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 287.89 288.85 Get to use my pen. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 293.82 297.82 More than the speaker characterisation, as m Steve mentioned. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 297.82 302.42 Um, I don't really know how to involve the speaker characterisation into the browsing. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 291.76 293.82 browsing sort of thingy. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 297.77 299.08 Yeah, that's true, yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 299.08 299.48 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 296.86 297.77 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 299.48 299.81 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 298.67 299.48 Hmm. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 301.63 304.04 It'd nice to have it inconnec interconnected like 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 301.01 301.63 Yeah, that's true. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 301.45 302.44 Actually, 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 311.39 315.47 Like we have it, we're doing it, but what how does it help the browsing? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 308.99 311.39 Di Just some way to sort of leverage that information. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 315.47 317.89 Or what can it give us in the browsing? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 303.36 306.33 Yeah, but maybe tie that in with dialogue acts or something as well. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 317.89 319.23 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 306.33 308.99 I mean speaker characterisation tied into I don't know. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 319.23 319.49 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 316.61 318.55 Or you mean the the speaker characterisation? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 318.55 319.76 Oh well, yeah, I mean, 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 322.39 325.07 I mean it's the speaker characterisation is a bit like you said. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 325.07 327.31 I mean it's like a nice thing. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 321.38 322.39 I don't know about that. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 327.31 332.37 We don't we're not actually sure what the user wants with it, but it's interesting, so why not give it to him. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 325.97 326.17 Hmm. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 332.74 333.21 Yeah yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 333.3 333.54 Right. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 333.87 334.23 Yeah, well 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 335.13 335.55 I mean 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 334.08 335.13 I I think we should do it. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 341.02 347.49 well if you get the speaker characterisation that someone s talks a lot in uh a certain topic,
EN2002a H01 FEO070 336.48 341.02 I mean I guess maybe we could have that as another thing of like 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 354.95 356.33 And in that way but I don't know. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 335.38 336.48 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 347.49 354.95 and then if you, I don't know, click on that topic, you get everything that's in that topic or whatever. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 354.75 357.13 Yeah, I mean that's that's still another level further. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 361.32 364.19 Y we have to first define what what happens when you click on a user. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 358.49 361.32 You know, it doesn't even doesn't even pop up the speaker characterisation yet. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 357.13 358.49 I mean we're not even there yet. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 359.5 359.83 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 358.85 359.5 No no no. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 359.54 359.86 Oh yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 364.43 368.13 We have to have a speaker characterisation first before we cross any of the other bridges. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 368.13 370.31 So yeah, there you go. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 366.96 367.98 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 367.98 369.33 Yes. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 369.33 372.01 So should we try try to do a right-click when you then 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 368.44 369.14 True, yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 367.39 368.44 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 374.72 375.49 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 375.98 376.28 Why not. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 375.49 375.98 Alright. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 376.27 376.43 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 376.29 378.44 Is that just from the main main window? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 385.3 387.86 have a right-click from for these various things to yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 378.44 385.3 Is that is that from any particular window, like if we wanna sorta get like if we were on the users versus like topic or something 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 377.93 378.14 Sorry? 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 378.12 379.41 Even if only one thing comes up. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 399.55 402.78 So we could do that in a similar way, do it right-click as well. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 402.78 405 And to have a different menu for our 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 387.53 387.86 Wait. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 391.2 398.59 We wanna somehow click be able to click on a topic and it pops up with all the meetings that contain that. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 387.86 391.2 Yeah, there's a second thing about the topics, the topic window. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 398.59 399.55 Yeah? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 385.7 386.86 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 386.86 387.53 Yes. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 399.03 399.22 Yep. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 397.67 399.03 Right, yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 398.18 398.42 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 400.01 401.43 Okay. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 401.43 404.98 So and so this lot is for um 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 402.28 403.05 Okay, yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 404.26 405.82 Now it's consistent throughout. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 405.82 406.71 So, yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 406.15 406.49 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 406.91 408.09 On the t speaker. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 409.63 411.28 So yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 411.28 420.77 So we have basically two options of of browsing the meetings is by either um searching and opening individual observations. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 420.77 424.13 And when then we have the interlinking by right-click basically. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 410.33 411.81 And then this lot is on th 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 424.58 424.81 Right. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 441.06 444.34 so it'll be like all the um cases of that topic,
EN2002a H00 MEE073 454.49 458.89 so if somebody knows exactly what they wanna do and we know that that's the most common thing that's gonna happen 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 448.82 452.91 and just show up the the particular instances of that topic in a meeting. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 432.6 436.22 I mean that's kind of a typical kinda action that would happen. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 426.11 428.16 Actually yeah, like um another common thing 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 458.89 462.71 so the double-click will do that and so save them the trouble of right-clicking and choosing the item on the menu. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 428.16 432.6 like if we have it so it's set up that um if you double-click and it goes to a default thing on the menu 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 452.91 454.49 Like I'm just thinking to have the default there 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 444.34 448.82 either whatever we decide the default to be, whether it's in all meetings or just in one meeting 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 436.22 441.06 If you double-click on a particular topic or something, then it goes to sort of a like a default view 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 435.4 436.01 Double-click 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 440.7 441.11 Oh. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 452.56 454.66 Hmm. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 459.07 459.91 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 462.79 466.99 I don't see there's anything obvious that was that would be able, you know, that would be 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 462.9 463.26 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 466.05 469.33 Well, it might come to us as we start playing with it. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 469.41 469.71 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 471.16 471.68 Do you mean 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 469.52 470.16 What was that? 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 470.16 471.16 I didn't quite understand. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 482.53 482.75 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 473.55 478.14 You'll have the menu, right-click it, but instead of like have a default double-click,
EN2002a H00 MEE073 478.14 482.53 so if there's a de so it'll be a choice from the menu but yeah, exactly. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 471.44 473.55 Um like we have the the right-click menu. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 471.86 472.57 Uh just let th 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 473.68 474.12 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 478.21 483.42 Oh, so and it figures out what's the most common use to double-click. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 483.63 484.06 Okay. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 483.42 483.63 Oh. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 478.66 478.94 Yep. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 481.62 481.86 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 486.84 487.84 Or just I don't know. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 483.7 486.84 Like, I don't know, show the speaker characterisation for instance. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 486.08 486.38 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 490.16 493.85 And they pop up without you even being quite sure what it is, you know what I mean? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 486.35 490.16 Yeah, but then then there's the problem with a lot of windows popping up again. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 486.57 486.93 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 491.57 491.97 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 494.7 496.88 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 496.88 497.2 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 496.26 502.03 But if you do double-click on something, don't you expect something to happen then? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 501.72 501.99 Hmm. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 503.2 504.18 Mm. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 502.31 503.2 Yeah, maybe. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 504.18 504.5 Hmm. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 503.47 505.18 Sort of well, I don't know. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 514.84 518.63 T throw stuff throwing out the window. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 504.56 505.74 Sometimes you do it by accident though. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 513.64 514.84 Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 509.01 511.26 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 507.17 509.01 Stop coming up. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 505.74 507.17 You, oh go away. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 511.26 513.64 No. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 506.51 510.22 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 517.63 521.98 Well I'll I'll check what it does on on um double-click at the moment. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 523.54 530.59 But but yeah, mm but I don't I don't I d really don't see anything obvious that that would 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 521.98 523.54 'Cause I think it might do something. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 506.61 513.19 Especially if you have a touch-pad. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 513.19 517.63 It just goes oh. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 508.71 509.01 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 507.87 508.71 Well then they close it. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 506.86 507.87 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 509.01 512.45 You know, it's not it's not the end of the world. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 513.65 517.59 Yeah,. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 517.59 517.79 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 521.62 522.55 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 522.55 526.54 Yeah, uh that was good start. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 521.78 522.08 Okay. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 526.91 527.2 Yep. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 532.32 533.73 I mean if you can think of something that 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 537.16 537.59 I don't know. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 538.67 539.14 Sorry. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 542.34 544.69 I guess it depends on the 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 546.29 548.23 Yeah, what you're clicking on. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 548.23 548.83 Obviously. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 548.61 549.42 Sorry. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 555.54 556.57 Do we wanna use them or not? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 553.67 555.54 Single audio files. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 549.42 553.67 Um yeah, another thing. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 549.83 550 Hmm. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 560.45 561.57 Do you mean the single channel? 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 558.63 560.45 We don't know yet do we, I don't think. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 561.75 563.88 Yeah, single channel that's single channel files. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 564.82 565.39 I mean 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 563.88 564.82 Do we want them? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 561.92 562.52 Single channel. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 562.59 562.97 Mm. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 570.88 572.55 But at the moment, no. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 572.55 575 But yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 565.8 570.88 Probably not, but we might need them for disfluencies, if we try do it in audio. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 567.01 567.33 No. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 569.35 571.22 Well, yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 570.83 578.36 I mean we might use them while wo to work with them, but do we wanna integrate them in so that when you browse you can here's 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 569.35 570.83 Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 577.91 580.99 We might want to be able to say oh, just give me what that person's saying. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 581.75 585.29 I mean it's not gonna make much sense if you don't listen to it on its own d do you? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 585.29 585.66 Does it? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 581.38 581.75 Do you though? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 581.94 582.6 No. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 587.36 589.39 Somebody's talking over somebody else or something. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 585.05 587.36 Unless um you can't hear it properly or something. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 589.39 589.79 Well p 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 593.65 593.98 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 590.95 593.65 W we just say no for now and put it in later or something. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 592.9 594.32 No, hmm. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 594.32 594.65 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 595.97 596.28 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 602.16 603.3 Therefore print will be bigger. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 596.79 602.16 Yeah, 'cause otherwise it will the it will increase the amount of data we need by a lot, won't it? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 601.54 601.88 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 604.34 604.66 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 606.79 607.49 Um 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 614.1 616.22 Do you think do you think it's really that bad? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 610.04 614.1 Yeah, wh what do people think in general about the windows cluttering that he's mentioned? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 615.25 620.63 I think we probably need that, though to have the f the full flexibility, we need to have that there, but um yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 618.02 620.25 That's what I feel as well. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 625.66 626.24 Um 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 620.25 625.66 I mean I'm I'm very much I w I wanna have everything customisable. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 625.1 625.3 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 630.79 636.5 Probably just two or two or three of whatever whatever they're looking at, like dialogue acts, to whatever, characterisations. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 626.35 630.79 Although the thing is typically though, is someone gonna have five windows open at the same time, probably not. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 631.86 632.71 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 635.46 639.67 But yeah, it depends, I mean I I really wanna put the summary in somewhere, you know. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 639.67 641.39 And the summary for example is typical. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 646.53 647.83 But it'd be good to have it there. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 641.39 646.53 You open the window, you read through it, you might click on you know, close it again straight-away. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 631 631.86 Probably not, no. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 632.71 635.46 Two or three maybe, but yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 639.89 640.04 Hmm. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 646.21 647.17 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 647.17 648.41 No, I think it's I think it's fine. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 648.62 649.69 I think what we're doing is fine. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 648.41 648.62 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 646.58 647.27 Yeah, true. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 646.99 647.28 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 648.34 656.36 But uh well, couldn't we I mean you probably I don't know if you wanna have like the the full transcription and the summary at the same time. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 657.56 663.43 So maybe you can just like choose the s same window for transcription and summary. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 661.99 662.36 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 663.63 664.73 So like have a tab there? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 664.73 666.6 For something like that choose on choose one. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 664.65 667.07 I was just thinking of tab. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 665.32 666.5 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 669.42 670.89 I like tabs. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 670.89 673.46 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 666.5 667.92 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 667.92 669.42 Tabs are nice. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 669.14 669.91 Yeah, tabs are good. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 671.05 671.31 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 669.91 671.05 Mozilla style. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 669.47 669.58 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 673.56 675.09 I'm not sure yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 670.15 670.93 That true. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 672.98 673.56 That's right. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 670.93 672.98 Yea yeah yeah yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 674.88 675.98 I don't know how easy it is. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 675.98 678.21 But I dunno, but 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 676.99 679.02 I don't think Java knows how to do that really. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 679.02 680.26 Maybe yeah, you probably can. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 676.2 676.99 Or can you do that in Java? 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 675.17 676.2 Does anybody know how to do that? 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 680.26 681.78 But but 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 680.28 681.45 I'm sure. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 676.27 677.74 No. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 677.74 678.16 I don't know. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 681.45 682.59 I'm sure you could do anything. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 678.16 680.28 Do you reckon? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 682.97 683.21 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 681.34 682.97 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 677.07 679.92 Oh you should be able to. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 679.92 681.34 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 680.74 681.2 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 687.85 690.57 The eight is sometimes it's a bit of a cripple. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 684.04 684.6 But I don't know. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 684.6 687.85 It's a bit of a cripple with Java's windowing tool-kit. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 682.94 684.04 If you really knew what you're doing. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 682.95 683.42 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 689.73 690.28 Hmm. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 690.97 691.3 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 691.93 692.8 I can have a look. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 694.14 694.45 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 695.3 697.23 Or just, I don't know. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 697.23 703.29 Yeah, uh change the contents of the same window, like from transcription to summary. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 694.84 695.3 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 696.94 698.76 But yeah, that that might be an idea, yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 701.78 702.44 Yeah yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 704.35 704.66 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 704.53 704.96 Probably yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 706.29 706.51 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 707.76 712.51 Yeah, or even just have buttons on it, toggle buttons or something on the tool-bar for that window. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 713.14 713.48 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 714.44 714.96 Just something. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 715.98 716.61 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 716.61 717.29 That could probably 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 716.04 718.99 A lot of different ways we can do it, it doesn't doesn't have to be a tab or whatever. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 718.99 720.58 Just gonna be yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 720.58 720.74 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 719.03 725.56 No, no, it could be like transcription summary, like two buttons and you just press on which ever you want. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 721.89 722.15 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 722.15 722.84 Exactly. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 723.91 724.2 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 729.25 729.57 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 725.07 725.76 Or check-marks. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 725.76 729.25 Even have two of 'em checked and send Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 738.15 738.45 So 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 730.95 734.45 'Cause otherwise Photoshop has a lot of windows, if you ever use Photoshop it's got loads,
EN2002a H03 MEE071 730.07 730.95 Which is quite good. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 736.65 738.15 There's always stuff in the way, isn't there. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 726.15 730.07 Yeah, that will reduce the number of um windows we needed, wouldn't it? 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 734.45 736.65 and you're always g forever going no, get out of the way. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 727.19 727.46 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 737.85 738.01 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 736.17 736.77 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 736.77 737.85 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 739.67 740.82 I don't like pop-ups. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 739.06 739.67 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 740.42 747.93 But I mean people get used to it, I mean when you use a Windows or Linux for that matter, you have a lot of windows open. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 747.93 748.7 And you manage them. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 741.39 741.58 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 749.38 749.67 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 747.77 749.38 You do, yeah? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 747.85 748.15 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 749.45 749.7 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 751.8 752.06 True. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 753.52 758.88 Unless, can you I don't suppose you can minimise them and stuff like that Can you can you do that? 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 760.47 760.88 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 760.88 762.84 Of course you can actually, yeah, it's got everything. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 752.05 753.52 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 758.88 760.47 Okay, well it's alright then. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 753.87 754.84 I guess that yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 758.4 758.68 Okay. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 756.28 758.4 Oh yeah? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 757.7 758.25 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 756.37 757.7 Yeah, you can minimise 'em. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 765.81 770.06 have transcript without the disfluency, transcript with the disfluent disfluency. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 778.78 779.47 Exclusive, yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 770.06 770.98 Have all these, you know,
EN2002a H00 MEE073 761.36 762.19 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 770.98 778.78 have all these sort of using the same window and so we can put a lot of and probably mutually um whate distinct, yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 762.19 765.81 Yeah, like a lot of these can be, like once we get the disfluencies out, then we can you know,
EN2002a H01 FEO070 762.35 762.63 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 769.72 771.8 Yeah, that's true, they're they're definitely 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 773.12 775.25 Yeah, they're definitely gonna be in the same window, yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 777.78 778.21 He's close. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 779.61 782.25 Yeah, that that was the plan for the disfluencies anyway. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 778.22 779.61 Exclusive. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 782.25 782.73 So d 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 781.91 782.14 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 784.05 786.74 Yeah, do you wanna do that with summaries in? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 786.74 789.14 Put the summaries in in the same window. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 790.24 791.45 Mutually exclusive with 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 799.97 803.87 Like full meeting, meeting without disfluencies, and summarise. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 790.78 793.7 Yeah, um well could uh I don't know. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 793.7 799.97 Would transcripts uh b sounds reasonable to have like transcripts like maybe three alternatives then. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 795.73 796.03 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 800.36 800.68 Right. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 803.21 804.11 Summary. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 804.11 806.36 Yeah, you wanna do that? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 806.36 806.63 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 804.47 805.87 Yeah, that kinda makes sense. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 805.91 806.13 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 806.87 807.93 Yeah, sounds good. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 810.37 811.43 Um yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 820.25 822.38 What kind of prototype could we produce? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 816.58 820.25 And finally the prototype he spoke about. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 823.08 823.95 By the end of February. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 828.76 829.66 You know? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 835.21 836.48 Do we wanna aim for something? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 824.27 828.76 Because I'm I'm just, you know, I go into the lab and I say right, what am I gonna change today. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 829.66 835.21 And it kind of just it just develops, I'm not aiming for anything. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 828.7 830.07 Okay, right. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 837.78 839.04 Um 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 841.51 844.17 I'm I'm pretty much getting there anyway, to be honest. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 844.17 846.76 It's not it's not gonna be a lot more work. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 844.91 845.07 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 847.19 856.03 I mean just to try it and I mean for us to to be able to do something that we can include with your thing so so eas yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 856.03 856.32 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 846.63 847.19 I guess it is. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 855.85 856.08 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 855.25 855.85 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 854.58 855.25 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 856.53 859.83 Something just slightly more than just that on its own. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 854.7 856.53 Yeah, that's what we need, yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 859.83 860.17 Yep. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 856.5 856.82 Oh. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 858.47 858.85 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 858.54 859.88 Yeah, so we can plug it in and 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 860.73 864.73 Just so see the integration works sort of between the different compo 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 858.82 860.08 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 860.08 860.73 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 865.12 865.75 Mm true. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 865.36 866.42 Yep, definitely. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 866.84 867.51 Um 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 868.45 868.89 Hmm. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 868.88 871.01 So I guess that's what we need to aim for. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 870.94 873.14 I think that's kinda as well, isn't it really? 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 873.14 876.15 Seeing it seeing it sort of start to do stuff rather than just be 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 872.78 873.07 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 876.35 877.24 Oh right, I see. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 877.24 877.47 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 877.67 877.97 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 878.02 879.21 a prototype with a GUI. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 880.04 886.28 Well if I guess I mean that was probably our intention, but we might not have written it down. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 886.28 888.67 So I guess I know. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 879.32 880.04 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 886.42 887.21 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 887.21 889.76 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 887.36 887.45 Hmm. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 890.84 891.2 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 896.41 900.1 Like can we just like copy like the latest stuff out of your directory, somewhere? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 900.1 906.01 Or Like if we're gonna just try and like take a look or something, try and just plug some stuff I think you can if 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 891.97 896.41 Actually is the code accessible, like the the GUI stuff that you've done, yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 900.41 903.34 Um probably not. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 903.34 905.26 I don't know, can you access other people's 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 905.04 907.85 You can make it if you make it world readable, then anybody can access it. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 907.32 912.78 Well, if you just tell us the directory and just make the file readable, then we c know the directory to get in then and just 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 910.51 910.82 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 912.45 914.52 Yeah, sure. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 914.52 917.35 I don't know if it's readable at the moment, but you can sure have a d have a look. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 913.62 915.06 That might be might be an idea. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 917.05 919.85 I think by default they are I think really? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 919.85 920.28 Or 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 916.51 917.05 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 916.83 919.41 No, uh i i it no, they're not world-readable. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 924.09 925.44 You can see them but you can't read them. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 919.41 924.09 It not the default they're only default then only you can read them by default. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 918.33 918.63 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 920.16 920.5 Alright. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 922.51 923.82 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 923.82 924.21 Okay. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 923.63 924.22 Alright. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 926.32 928.84 Right, well I'll make that readable then. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 925.57 926.32 'Kay. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 928.84 932.51 Um so the directory is my number 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 925.65 926.53 Okay, alright. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 927.86 928.13 Okay. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 927.99 928.35 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 935.31 936.27 Yeah, right, okay. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 932.61 933.98 Or you could just email to us. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 933.98 935.31 Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, right. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 937.81 939.53 It's in all the emails. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 943.25 946.77 O. four, five five five, 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 939.53 943.25 Not O. four. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 934.69 937.81 Well, this is not difficult. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 936.42 937.61 What's your number? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 937.27 937.79 Okay. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 940.5 943.74 Yes. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 939.19 940.5 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 940 941.35 Okay, your number. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 943.95 944.34 Okay. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 948.52 949.06 six O. . 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 949.81 950.82 Say that again, O. four. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 950.76 952.54 O. four five five five six O. . 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 952.96 953.88 And then it's 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 954.93 958.32 And then um there's a folder um N. L. S. S. D., 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 958.83 959.4 N. L. S. S. D. . 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 959.54 961.82 and it's called the M. browser. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 962.53 964.76 The M. browser, for meeting. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 963.72 966.33 Yes, M. for meeting. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 964.04 966.06 Lower case. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 966.03 968.61 Hope you hope you never have to look in my directory. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 968.61 969.96 It's just pure chaos. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 969.96 980.11 S Mine is serious chaos. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 980.11 982.36 Files everywhere. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 967.58 967.73 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 970.01 971.37 Really. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 971.37 974.08 No, I'm I'm extremely organised, you see. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 975.19 975.86 I love folders. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 974.08 975.19 I've got folders for everything. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 975.61 976.13 Oh yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 981.48 981.91 Mm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 984.87 985 Hmm. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 986.33 986.73 Okay. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 987.72 989.29 Someone else wanna talk about their stuff? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 986.53 987.72 Yep, so that's me done. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 991.94 994.73 Don't all jump at once. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 994.49 996.97 I could tell you what I done in S. P. two. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 996.5 998.78 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 996.64 999.13 Right. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1001.3 1011.6 I basi I s started like browsing a bit, just like trying to see if there's anything out there to use s sort of um just 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 999.98 1001.3 Oh um I don't know. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1009.94 1010.18 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1011.41 1012.94 W what where you doing again? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1017.92 1024.58 So it just found a tutorial but i inverted search in indexing, but I haven't read it yet. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1016.85 1017.92 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1024.58 1024.86 But 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1012.88 1015.85 yeah, searching, yeah well yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1015.85 1016.85 We're doing the. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1019.4 1019.63 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1014.89 1019.4 Like the the in inverted file stuff and um the next search query and all that. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1012.9 1014.89 Um all the searching stuff. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1013.83 1017.31 Yeah, what was on it. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1015.18 1016.03 The search, okay. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1018.98 1019.31 Okay. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1023.57 1027.31 So you could probably just use that code, like that was behind the question she asked him earlier. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1027.31 1031.49 Just You know, the re-using code and stuff was just like okay, good. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1022.55 1023.57 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1024.28 1024.76 Indexing. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1027.14 1028.68 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1028.68 1029.01 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1028.17 1028.75 Oh. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1030.1 1030.97 Oh right. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1030.97 1032.39 Oh that's pretty much there, is it? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1030.96 1031.11 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1031 1032.74 Oh you found some code for it. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1032.74 1033.43 For the inde 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1032.81 1034.73 Yeah, well I don't know if it's usable. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1040.72 1041.33 Uh whatever. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1041.33 1041.49 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1034.73 1036.08 I uh can have a look th at it. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1036.08 1040.72 But but I found some code for like from a tutorial about i indexing. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1032.86 1034.06 Um apparently 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1036.24 1037.67 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1037.67 1037.86 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1035.58 1036.24 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1035.83 1036.22 Alright. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1037.96 1038.92 Of making 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1041.46 1044.63 So even if it doesn't work, you can jiggery pokery around and make it work. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1040.86 1041.46 Cool, cool. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1044.63 1045.02 Y yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1039.77 1040.86 Alright. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1040.71 1041.39 Oh great. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1041.03 1041.27 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1048.72 1050.03 Messing around still, though. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1045.24 1048.72 We'll probably still have to do some other file manage while, I don't know, creation. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1044.22 1045.24 Yeah, probably. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1050.03 1050.19 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1044.58 1045.29 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1050.58 1052.19 By the basics is uh oh okay, that's good. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1048.33 1049.23 Yeah yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1049.99 1050.58 But yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1049.23 1049.99 All sorts of nonsense. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1050.6 1050.92 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1052 1052.44 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1052.1 1052.36 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1053.14 1053.91 Yeah, that's handy. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1053.76 1055.13 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1055.13 1055.62 Um 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1054.67 1056.81 Um yeah, I guess that's it. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1056.47 1058.01 So you think it shouldn't be too difficult? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1060.53 1068.54 Uh I'm I was a bit worried about when well when he talked about this with the mm file messing around with files. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1068.54 1072.49 I mean uh how much do we actually need to do. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1072.49 1077.71 Like extracting things from the X. M. L. files and stuff to be able to do the indexing? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1060.17 1060.53 I don't know. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1076.05 1076.34 Hmm. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1079.29 1079.84 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1079.84 1082.54 You have to convert it to some sort of format, I suppose. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1077.96 1079.29 Oh, I see. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1079.61 1080.05 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1082.64 1082.84 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1100.41 1102.72 But I guess it's not very difficult. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1102.72 1103.61 Yeah, in Java, yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1092.3 1100.41 So it will come up on the screen For the moment I haven't managed to put it into a vector or whatever in Java to play with it. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1089.07 1092.3 And I can get rid of it, but I'm having trouble putting it anywhere else. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1083.43 1089.07 I've been trying to g write something to read the X. M. L. and get rid of it. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1095.5 1095.9 Right. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1092.52 1093.89 Huh? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1093.89 1095.5 Okay. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1093.86 1096.13 Okay. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1104.83 1104.98 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1101.19 1104.83 What are you writing in Java or yeah, okay. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1099.61 1101.19 Okay. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1101.18 1101.5 Okay. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1103.91 1104.13 Right. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1104.75 1105.06 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1106.16 1108.41 you know a bunch about file things. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1115.08 1116.38 Put it into a window at least. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1106.73 1115.08 I mean you should look at look have a look at the the browser code then, because um, you know, they already extract for example transcripts. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1116.61 1117.5 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1114.4 1116.61 Yeah yeah, I'm sure they do. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1118.4 1119 Yeah, it's good idea. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1119.4 1121.75 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1121.75 1124.06 Oh yeah, I will. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1124.06 1125.04 I'm sure it's nothing difficult. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1125.04 1130.49 I'm sure I'm making a meal of it at the moment actually. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1133.94 1143.47 Um yeah, I guess I mean it was a good point you had that like collaborating with the file things. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1143.47 1148.48 I mean if you already started on on doing your stuff, I guess we can 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1142.23 1142.56 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1146.67 1147.52 Absolutely, yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1145.72 1146.67 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1148.9 1150.25 Should share as much as possible. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1150.22 1150.72 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1150.78 1152.04 Mm-hmm, libraries. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1152.75 1153.26 Yeah 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1153.38 1155.19 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1155.19 1156.36 Should we, I don't know, 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1153.54 1153.71 Hmm. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1167.47 1168.42 Or what do we need. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1159.8 1167.47 I mean, I don't know, see what you've done and see what we need when we know more of what we need maybe? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1168.42 1169.61 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1158.29 1159.8 meet up and see what we could do? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1169.61 1169.72 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1164.63 1165.03 Yep. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1171.72 1171.96 I see. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1168.48 1170.33 Yeah, exactly, exactly. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1164.72 1167.34 Right. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1168.04 1168.48 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1170.33 1171.72 So you're still working? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1167.34 1168.04 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1168.52 1173.55 I actually haven't done anything this week 'cause this week's been manic. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1167.29 1168.52 Next week sometime, yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1180.27 1183.67 The the the week as it as is rather than the proper week, do you know what I mean. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1173.55 1180.27 But well, whatever it was, last week then. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1183.67 1186.69 Do you know that, it's been all a bit manic, the last m the last yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1173.42 1174.63 Yep. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1174.63 1175.59 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1173.63 1175.33 Yes, exactly, same. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1175.33 1180.31 Yeah, I mean betwe um I sup yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1180.31 1180.48 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1175.65 1177.71 This week's only two days old. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1175.26 1175.65 What do you mean? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1178.03 1180.64 Well 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1178.86 1180.16 Oh. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1184.15 1184.29 Right. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1185.78 1188.35 Well well you're in S. P. N. L. P. and S. P. two, right? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1189.04 1189.86 Yeah, that's where I'm at. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1188.35 1189.04 So yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1189.66 1193.88 And then we had to do an I. R. P., whatever it was last week as well. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1188.21 1189.66 Yeah, that's right, yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1193.88 1196.03 Which is only a page long, but it's quite difficult to write a page. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1188.61 1188.84 Yep. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1193.94 1194.08 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1196.51 1197.24 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1197.24 1197.72 Yeah, oh yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1200.83 1201.84 Just so stupid. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1199.4 1200.83 Never mind. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1196.9 1197.72 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1197.72 1199.4 Oh that's complete rubbish anyway. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1204.27 1207.74 Yeah, but S. P. N. L. P. . 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1197.96 1204.27 More diffi it was, it wasn't marked, but it was I had to sit there and think about it for a bit, which is a bit irritating. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1207.74 1210.27 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1205.85 1207.01 Yeah, that's fun. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1207.33 1210.28 Oh. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1209.32 1209.56 Oh yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1212.71 1218.56 Yeah, I was thinking that we can probably get uh start attacking this seriously and then just um,
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1225.04 1226.04 Think that should be possible. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1223.58 1225.04 Okay. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1218.56 1223.58 yeah, hopefully have something by next week that we can sorta try integrating into the GUI. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1212.25 1212.71 So. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1211.16 1212.25 Okay. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1211.82 1212.35 Um 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1214.16 1215.34 Yeah, we're gonna meet up. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1216.04 1216.26 Yep. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1223.08 1223.45 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1223.91 1224.18 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1240.17 1242.83 which I think is odd, but I'm not quite sure how it works yet. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1229.61 1240.17 it was there when I took it um uses the um the N. X. T. search to get the data out of the out the files,
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1242.83 1243.71 I don't quite understand it. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1225.09 1229.61 Well ye the browser as I use it now or as uh, you know 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1225.21 1226.04 'Cause it's now 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1237.91 1238.07 Why? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1236.97 1237.91 Okay. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1244.83 1246.42 So when it when it 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1255.44 1255.73 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1247.36 1255.44 To get the data i for example to get the summarisation data, you have to search for I think the I. D. s or something. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1258.66 1259.51 They've got d 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1256.45 1257.68 That's pretty bizarre, isn't it? 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1257.68 1258.66 Well I guess that's how it works. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1257.54 1258.08 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1261.61 1262.73 That is pretty bizarre. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1263.72 1269.07 So they don't, you know, they don't say look in that and that folder, but they say search everything. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1267.18 1268.28 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1270.51 1271.29 That is pretty bizarre. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1280.03 1281.25 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1272.77 1273.78 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1277.95 1280.03 Very clearly, yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1273.78 1277.95 Well they did say it wasn't the most efficient. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1274.48 1279.16 Okay. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1275.99 1279.15 Oh it does load up quite quickly. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1280.9 1283 But you know, you could have a look at them. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1279.15 1280.9 So you know, it's not too bad. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1281.71 1286.15 But it what what is it like a window where you have to wr write the search query? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1286.15 1288 Or is it just what's behind it? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1288 1290.35 So or how does it work then? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1279.4 1281.71 Okay. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1290.35 1291.51 D Okay. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1297.92 1306.68 it does does an N. X. T. search for the string, I don't know, transcript or text or whatever. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1290.92 1297.92 This is just when you open what you know, to load the transcript for example, to find the transcript for a certain meeting,
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1289.16 1290.92 No, this is not the actual search. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1295.18 1295.41 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1296.98 1297.18 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1305.67 1305.86 Wh 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1306.05 1306.33 Okay. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1306.98 1313.8 Four, and it w it li it just has an open variable transparent s list, whatever, find everything that's got that and then load 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1310.69 1310.93 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1313.25 1320.73 Yeah, so I don't know if you've looked at the search query s language, but it's like a dollar A. text say. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1319.51 1320.84 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1320.84 1326.83 Yeah, yeah, 'cause that's the uh the declares a variable, doesn't it, and then they keep Okay. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1319.66 1319.87 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1319.85 1320.12 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1323.9 1325.17 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1325.17 1326.35 And then yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1326.35 1330.08 Because every every of all of these um 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1331.46 1333.67 these files have got um tha an I. D. . 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1337.78 1341.61 words or text or something in it, so it just searches for those files. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1333.67 1337.78 And all the transcript files have got the string, I don't know what it is,
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1342.37 1342.77 Okay. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1342.98 1343.4 Right. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1343.23 1343.67 Vaguely. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1345.6 1358.31 When you like you is there a open thingy or Like well what did you two do to like how did you figure out that this uses N. X. T. search like is it 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1345.68 1346.11 So 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1350.04 1350.28 Open. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1369.71 1370.45 That's how I 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1366.46 1369.71 I had to figure out how to how to do the same thing for the summary. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1357.49 1361.15 Um um well, it's in the code. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1361.15 1366.46 Just that it, you know, it yeah, you define a search object, and then you search on that string. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1361.22 1361.55 Okay. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1364.93 1365.22 Okay. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1371.98 1373.23 Oh see, obvious 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1371.99 1376.56 I had to I had to understand how to do the transcript how they did the transcript to do the summary myself. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1376.64 1379.28 So did you have to write it in the way that they wrote it, is that what you did? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1379.32 1383.02 Yeah, just search for a specific string. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1383.46 1383.79 Right. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1385.36 1385.8 Okeydoke. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1392.09 1392.37 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1385.39 1392.09 So you could just, you know, you could use that when you if you wanna um take the data out and put it somewhere. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1391.33 1393.28 Fish the data, I was just thinking that, yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1393.11 1393.46 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1403.26 1405.57 you know, whatever you wanna do, then just send me an email. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1396.68 1403.26 If you have a a question about w what the p the code means or where to find the code that you wanna,
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1397 1397.36 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1405.73 1405.97 Mm. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1406.84 1407.67 I can explain it. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1408.29 1408.52 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1408.85 1411.14 Have you annotated your code nicely? 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1411.14 1413.47 Not yet. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1410.2 1412.77 Okay. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1427.69 1428.91 Yes. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1418.61 1421.67 that they gave us, had a lot of extra stuff in,
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1431.71 1435.97 A lot of rubbish, but they will be get will be chucked out right at the end, I think. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1428.91 1431.71 So they're all in there ye still. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1410.71 1412.21 Oh yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1426.48 1427.69 Exactly. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1425.69 1426.48 Yeah, just in case. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1412.21 1418.61 Actually, in the moment it's got a load of rubbish because the the um the browser that I used from this from you know,
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1421.67 1425.69 and I haven't dared throwing out to through out all the functions I haven't you know, that I don't need. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1424.82 1426.47 Just in case. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1426.47 1429.36 mission critical. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1429.36 1429.57 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1425.05 1426.23 Hmm, right, right. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1440.45 1446.3 Okay, get rid of that, next. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1446.3 1447.09 Good fun, aye. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1436.27 1440.45 Commen commenting it out one bit at a time and running it, does it work, yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1442.48 1443.33 Precisely. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1439.28 1439.75 Yes. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1439.75 1441.43 Exactly, yes. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1441.43 1442.48 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1439.78 1440.17 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1441.15 1441.33 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1440.17 1441.15 M yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1444.48 1444.93 Oh yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1446.67 1446.93 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1448.67 1448.99 Oh no. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1448.83 1449.15 Hmm. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1452 1452.27 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1452.09 1457.14 So basically we go and go and do some work really, I think that's the um the um the answer to that, isn't it. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1457.14 1458.06 The long and the short of it. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1453.97 1455.76 Yeah, seriously, on the weekend. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1454.48 1458.54 The weekend? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1458.54 1460.61 The weekend's still four days off. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1458.73 1458.86 Well f 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1458.22 1458.73 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1460.04 1462.01 Uh Um Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1468.26 1468.38 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1462.01 1463.04 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1463.04 1468.26 How many hours is this? 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1461.23 1461.77 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1461.77 1465.99 Proba I'm still at the bottom of the mountain. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1464.84 1465.7 Oh. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1467.43 1468.3 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1467.51 1469.53 I don't actually have that much to do at the moment. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1469.91 1484.09 Well, should you find you want to explore any other perhaps you as your um uh quantify raising. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1471.2 1474.59 Yeah, seriously. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1475.73 1476.17 Well 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1471.25 1475.73 Well Oh dear. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1472.51 1475.68 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1481.5 1482.12 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1480.13 1480.9 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1482.12 1482.93 That's what I gotta work on. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1480.9 1481.5 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1480.33 1484.94 I can't remember what I'm supposed to do, by the way. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1484.94 1487.52 Am I supposed to do the summarisation thingibob? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1488.73 1489.24 Mm. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1493.97 1494.37 I don't know. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1492.92 1493.97 Mm. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1494.01 1494.36 No. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1495.54 1496.14 Who was doing that? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1498.8 1500.07 Oh really? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1499.32 1502.11 You do. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1502.11 1503 Well, I'll do that then. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1503.49 1504.82 Oh. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1500.22 1503.49 Oh. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1500.42 1501.92 You saw it, yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1500.91 1501 Damn. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1501.78 1502.7 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1502.88 1504.08 These can be changed as well. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1510.6 1512.2 You have some time, why not. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1505.46 1507.52 Um I don't know, it doesn't matter. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1508.39 1510.6 I mean it's just, you know, play around with some extra stuff. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1504.08 1505.46 Okay, yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1507.52 1508.39 If if you want to. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1505.41 1505.91 I mean 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1504.4 1505.41 Shall I do that then? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1507.01 1507.93 Or you know 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1513.24 1513.6 I mean 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1512.37 1513.24 It shouldn't be to difficult. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1516.15 1516.42 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1516.9 1521.41 So what courses should I pick to be not doing any work at the moment? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1519.14 1523.24 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1523.24 1524.1 That's nice. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1521.13 1528.02 Well I'm doing communications, which we had one exercise and I've done that like two weeks ago. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1528.02 1530.29 And that's in in two weeks. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1527.69 1527.84 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1532.72 1534.25 Or Oh. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1534.25 1537.39 Oh, it like digital, okay. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1530.25 1532.72 Was that in informatics course? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1537.39 1537.71 Okay. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1532.88 1537.4 Yeah, it's a nine nine course as well or ten or something. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1537.4 1537.62 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1533.19 1533.46 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1537.84 1539 Oh, so it's uh, yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1539.01 1547.81 And then then I'm doing parallel programming languages and systems, which we had one exercise as well, and that's in like Friday. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1539.77 1539.92 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1544.23 1544.43 Hmm. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1550.35 1557.05 Well I'm not doing any background reading, so you know. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1557.05 1557.63 Being lazy. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1553.64 1556.33 Alright. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1556.33 1556.6 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1558.07 1560.44 I'm just being yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1556.56 1558.07 Sorry. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1560.44 1561.91 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1559.54 1559.9 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1558.28 1559.54 Fine. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1561.58 1565.28 Yeah, me too. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1561.64 1562.46 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1562.46 1565.62 I'll be happy when this week is over. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1567.71 1570.64 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1564.11 1567.71 Have we these courses that we're okay. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1564.67 1565.12 Oh. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1570.02 1574.69 Well I don't know, is that about it then or anything else we need to discuss? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1567.12 1570.02 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1571.85 1572.08 No. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1574.37 1574.93 I don 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1576.52 1580.52 Did we wanna meet before we talk to Steve next week. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1584.34 1591.02 We'll probably get some work done over the weekend, so I dunno if after D. N. L. G. or something, maybe just have a little quick little update and just 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1582.98 1584.34 Well, I dunno. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1586.73 1587.07 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1592.33 1594.03 Yeah, if you like. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1596.64 1597.41 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1597.41 1599.94 Um so what what are you planning to do over the weekend then? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1594.03 1596.64 We can always decide then, I mean yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1593.44 1594.39 Yeah, I don't know. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1595.1 1595.65 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1596.11 1596.27 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1595.65 1596.11 True. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1594.14 1595.1 Well we can decide. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1593.85 1594.14 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1595.68 1595.97 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1619.79 1620.62 yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1615.24 1616.69 Won't be the whole thing then. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1619.48 1619.79 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1613.36 1615.24 But, no no. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1620.62 1622.39 Well, actually most are just dialogue acts. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1622.39 1623.86 And what else was there. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1607.82 1613.36 Well, it'll be, you know, still limited version of, you know, the next query search. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1606.05 1607.82 Couldn't be that hard. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1601.77 1606.05 And well sure, why not. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1616.69 1619.48 Um like we can just decide sort of things that we do wanna do. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1600.37 1601.77 Search. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1601.4 1603.27 You're gonna do the search. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1603.27 1605.22 You're gonna implement the search. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1605.22 1605.77 Everything? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1603.16 1605.88 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1607.62 1608 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1616.41 1616.76 No. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1620.66 1620.95 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1630.96 1633.52 summary topic 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1633.31 1633.94 Mm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1638.28 1638.56 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1638.91 1642.97 It's just that I think we need to set ourselves some milestones, because otherwise 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1639.14 1639.54 I don't know. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1642 1642.25 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1644.85 1645.37 You know 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1647.31 1651.15 Yeah, it'll get behind schedule, yeah, pretty quick. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1652.39 1655.81 Well actually, do we wanna set a date for interim prototype? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1651.15 1652.39 Like you're saying, yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1647.82 1649.07 Weeks will go by and 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1657.01 1658.2 Specifically a date? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1660.8 1661.48 Mine was 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1661.46 1664.11 Well you decide, I'm not doing much for that prototype. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1664.11 1664.36 So 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1663.87 1665.59 Um. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1667.78 1673.81 The progress report is due on twenty third February. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1673.81 1674.3 February. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1672.95 1673.42 Of 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1674.71 1675.02 Oh. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1675.35 1677.57 So so what's that, two weeks basically. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1677.3 1678.88 Um yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1678.93 1681.51 Well, how about we get it done by then? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1681.51 1681.88 I mean 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1682.79 1684.01 Ish yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1684.44 1689.72 Then we can write about it in the in the interim report, and s you know, and then we've got something to show. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1687.8 1688.18 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1689.04 1690.56 Okay. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1687.94 1689.04 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1697.01 1697.42 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1702.66 1702.94 See. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1699.2 1702.66 Just looking at my own deadlines. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1702.94 1705.94 Yeah, that would be fine. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1704.21 1708.24 Um oh and the the search interface. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1718.14 1723.95 And then if you want, you can give that to me and I'll I'll build a u nice, you know, a few tick-boxes and drop-down menus. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1710.85 1718.14 Maybe you should decide pretty pretty early what kind of things you wanna be able to search for. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1717.2 1717.38 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1724.94 1729.17 Wasn't like what you had now, wasn't that pretty much what we agreed on? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1729.17 1731.84 Or was it just like that one. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1728.51 1728.94 No. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1730.31 1733.65 Oh that's that's that doesn't exist. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1739.39 1743.31 Nicely done though, isn't it? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1753.77 1754.87 A screen-shot of Google. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1737.53 1739.39 That does not exist. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1733.65 1737.53 Tha that's completely cut and pasted. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1743.31 1753.77 It's actually all these all these um things are are nicked from um you know, all these drop-down menus and tick-boxes are nicked from Google online. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1733.1 1736.25 Okay. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1736.1 1737.63 Okay. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1739.1 1746.2 This is illusion or whatever. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1744.01 1744.16 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1740.2 1744.01 Is it semblance of reality. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1742.56 1743.63 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1740.55 1742.56 Yeah, that's it's quite impressive actually. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1752 1753.08 I see. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1755.09 1755.87 Oh mm. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1762.04 1763.14 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1756.67 1762.04 That's quite slow really. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1765.65 1773.17 Yeah, I mean I was going to, but you know, the whole drop-down menus and stuff, what we wanna search for is not quite agreed on. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1756.79 1763.58 It's just so much fun. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1763.58 1765.65 It's gonna be a little difficult more difficult. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1773.17 1776.53 We never agreed on what we wanna be able to search for. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1759.99 1762.66 Maybe you should make it exist then. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1757.7 1759.99 I'm impressed. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1756.91 1757.7 Nice thought. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1777.39 1777.65 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1776.6 1777.39 No, it's not, is it? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1777.89 1779.62 Mm decide on that on over the weekend. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1776.66 1777.89 Right, true. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1777.79 1778.4 So 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1779.8 1784.41 Yeah, do you wanna, you know, just get together and think about the different types of search we could possibly do 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1784.41 1789.29 and then then we could discuss it next meeting which options we really wanna include? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1781.11 1781.3 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1785.21 1785.36 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1791.17 1791.41 Right. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1791.35 1796.03 That would probably involve researching the query language a bit as well to see what that can do. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1794.95 1795.61 Yeah, totally. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1796.46 1796.74 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1798.71 1805.27 It would be nice to, I don't know, meet up and uh you can sort of show us a bit what you know already 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1805.27 1809.87 so we don't sort of have to do all the work again of just like figuring out stuff. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1811.37 1813.61 So like no. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1810.28 1811.37 Oh, just like the basic. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1813.61 1813.77 Sorry? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1810.62 1811.13 Know 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1812.11 1813.06 Know already what? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1813.91 1816.84 Just like accessing the corpus and stuff. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1816.28 1816.74 Oh. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1824.52 1824.97 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1816.85 1817.42 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1824.97 1827.7 Or like like, you know, the class paths all that sort of thing. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1817.42 1821.07 Just like all the and seeing the code, and just sort of how just see the basics of what you've done. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1821.07 1824.52 Like just get a a quick look over and just the basics. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1827.7 1833.32 Like just just say okay, well here's you know, everything's basic in set-up and then just yeah, just jump right in. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1823.06 1828.2 Can take us for a tutorial sometime. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1823.51 1823.7 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1824.67 1827.8 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1830.53 1831.3 Yeah, I can do that. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1829.7 1830.53 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1831.52 1831.8 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1832.47 1834.43 Show you what bits the code 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1834.42 1834.66 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1837.49 1839.76 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1839.76 1842.92 In the morning. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1836.44 1837.49 That's cool. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1835.77 1836.44 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1835.94 1838.65 Next week sometime. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1836.03 1836.22 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1843.9 1848.85 Well this time I'm dictating the time, 'cause I if I'm not there you can't do anything. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1840.62 1843.9 Ah, yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1848.62 1853.09 Well thing is, you know, if yeah, something like that could happen anytime 'cause uh yeah,
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1845.76 1847.35 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1864.48 1864.81 Okay. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1859.74 1863.64 So something like that and then if I have a class I can run off and do whatever. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1853.09 1856.9 like my schedule's like a class, break, class, break, class, you know, that sort of thing. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1856.9 1859.74 So so yeah, I know, exactly, exactly, that's what I'm thinking. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1863.64 1864.48 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1847.35 1848.62 Yeah, I know. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1845.02 1845.76 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1856.31 1858.65 Yeah, ah it's not gonna take an hour to explain it, you know. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1858.51 1859.28 Yeah, yeah yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1859.87 1860.47 I mean 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1862.6 1862.92 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1862.74 1864.4 Pick a time. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1864.4 1867.06 I I you know, let me know, whenever. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1865.13 1866.3 Um yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1866.12 1868.22 Actually Monday, Monday might be good d um. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1868.15 1868.41 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1870.3 1870.79 What did you say? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1868.66 1870.3 What Monday. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1870.25 1871.1 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1870.51 1871.92 Next yeah, this Monday. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1871.92 1872.14 Just 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1872.37 1877.67 Anytime um, not at n not at noon or two or four. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1877.67 1880.59 No, in between those is you know, like one or three or 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1873.12 1874.86 Mm Monday afternoon. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1880.93 1882.54 Uh 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1882.31 1883.16 Actually th yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1880.99 1882.31 Three o'clock. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1881.96 1882.12 Sure. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1886.27 1887.49 It was what time's D. N. L. G. ? 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1883.55 1886.27 Three is alright. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1887.49 1888.25 Four, isn't it? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1884.28 1884.72 Possibly. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1886.9 1887.09 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1888.34 1889.02 It's full, yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1888.86 1892.28 Unless you wanna do it after the um after D. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1889.11 1889.41 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1892.86 1893.83 Yeah, after. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1891.57 1892.86 Yeah, that's an option too. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1893.27 1893.68 D. and A. . 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1895.96 1896.53 That's fine. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1895.31 1895.96 Sure. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1895.92 1896.78 Three's good though. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1899.03 1900.11 What's you what would you prefer? 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1896.78 1899.03 I'll but we have s whatever. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1896.08 1896.29 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1900.13 1901.97 Or three thirty. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1903.45 1905.49 That'd be necessarily necessarily short. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1899.14 1900.13 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1901.97 1903.45 No, just yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1903.41 1904.31 Well, it doesn't matter for me. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1904.31 1906.58 I mean three three or after what? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1903.75 1904.67 That's gonna be tight. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1904.69 1911.33 We could three thirty in the in the computer room in here, and then we can just go stra if you can't can you get in the front door? 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1912.9 1913.74 Can none of you get in there? 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1911.33 1912.9 Oh, you haven't got a key, do you? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1907.27 1908.76 Actually we can't get in there though. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1910.51 1911.05 Maybe we ca 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1912.6 1917.91 W we well we can get in through the through the the card the card door. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1917.91 1918.1 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1913.93 1915.13 Yeah, it what front door? 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1929.72 1930.82 It's got a lock door button. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1915.8 1920.89 The k the f there's computer rooms in here, the M. S. C. computer lab and uh is in here. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1927.91 1929.13 You do need to have a key for it. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1927 1927.91 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1920.89 1927 Well if you find me, I'll show you where I'll I'll let us all in there, and we can all go in there. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1929.13 1929.72 Like that's the thing. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1916.3 1917.08 In four Buccleuch. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1918.62 1919.8 I've not found that yet. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1923.73 1926.82 Yeah, right. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1920.04 1923.73 How about if we take uh a tour? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1926.82 1927.81 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1927.75 1928.09 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1922.42 1927.75 We can go look we can look at now, afterwards. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1930.87 1932.79 Just sort bang on it. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1929.75 1930.87 Okay. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1935.62 1937.57 Whether he was gonna get us access into the 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1932.79 1935.62 Actually I was asking Steve about that, whether we can get in there. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1929.86 1930.2 Okay. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1932.21 1933.26 Yeah, somebody will answer it. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1938.05 1939.35 Into what? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1939.35 1940.28 Okay uh. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1938.69 1939.22 the computer room. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1940.37 1944.8 Yeah, it's only got it's crap, it's only got about four or five computers in But it would do quite good for our job 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1944.8 1947.96 'cause it has not very uh p not many people in it very often. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1942.95 1943.71 Yeah, print 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1945.11 1945.38 Okay. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1947.76 1948.2 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1948.72 1949.61 Is there a printer in there too? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1947.93 1948.72 Right. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1954.72 1958.77 It's cool, yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1949.76 1950.55 Yeah, there's fridge there. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1950.55 1954.72 And there's a photo-copier with the code on it, yeah yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1952.68 1953.07 Really? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1955.37 1956.72 That would come in handy, yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1953.94 1955.37 A nice okay. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1954.72 1955.18 Really? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1957.73 1958.58 Well, I'm just 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1956.78 1957.73 Ah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1957.65 1960.6 Oh, is that the photo-copier I heard I heard about? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1960.6 1960.89 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1957.74 1964.06 Hey, we could we could photo-copy our um assignment if we wanted to. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1964.31 1965.75 Well the comments I'm thinking. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1964.06 1964.31 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1960.8 1964.23 I've got it in my computer. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1964.23 1965.24 Whatever is in my computer. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1963.02 1963.24 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1964.31 1964.64 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1965.89 1967.65 So what time do we say? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1969.6 1971.35 Then we have all the time we need. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1971.35 1974.13 Rather than have half an hour and then we'll surely run out. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1968.07 1969.6 I just think it's better to do it afterwards. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1968.08 1968.45 Um 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1971.25 1973.2 So after D. N. L. G. . 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1973.2 1973.51 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1970.63 1971.25 Yeah, that's true. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1971.01 1971.32 Oh right. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1971.37 1972.2 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1973.16 1973.67 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1973.31 1977.09 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1978.63 1979.06 Hmm. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1977.09 1978.63 Okay. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1978.79 1980.35 As long as D. N. L. G. doesn't go late. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 1981.32 1984.7 Hopefully it's not that man, so it won't matter. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1981.37 1981.65 Oh. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1988.6 1992.78 What was She doesn't even know what she's talking about yet, I think. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1986.23 1988.6 Actually it's not even confirmed yet. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1992.78 1994.52 Maybe it doesn't happen at all. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1988.65 1988.85 What? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1989 1989.27 Oh. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1990.88 1993.48 It's true. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1992.48 1993.06 So 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1994.74 1995.54 Yeah, I don't know. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1996.47 2001.93 It should be it shouldn't be any well, it's supposed to be next week. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2001.93 2003.08 It's week six next week. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 1995.54 1996.47 It's reading week next. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1995.14 1996.66 Sounds like me. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 1997.58 1998.15 Is it really? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1998.4 1999.17 Are you? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1999.17 1999.94 Next week? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2001.31 2001.73 How? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 1999.94 2001.31 Or the week? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 2002.32 2002.88 Really? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2003.83 2004.1 Oh. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 2004.09 2005.38 I don't think we have a reading week though. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 2005.38 2006.03 The the 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2012.52 2015.45 So uh there's not point in having 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2005.54 2005.96 I don't know. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2005.96 2010.2 We have one class at least when we like speech perception, we don't have any lectures. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2010.2 2012.52 But I think we're having like all other classes. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2007.85 2008.43 That's cancelled? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2006.94 2007.85 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2009.79 2010.27 Oh really? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 2012.8 2016.98 Yeah, I don't think there is an official I don't think there was an official one last semester. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 2016.98 2018.7 I think it was just a bank holiday, wasn't it? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2013 2013.1 Hmm. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2019.01 2020.26 Um something like that. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2020.26 2021.88 I think one or couple classes were cancelled. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2020.17 2020.78 No, I think it w 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 2020.8 2023.99 Some classes did and some classes didn't. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 2025.22 2026.7 They didn't really know what was going on. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 2023.99 2025.22 It's all a bit bizarre really. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2026.22 2026.5 I th 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2023.28 2023.92 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2023.92 2026.22 Exact Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2026.17 2030.04 I think the under-graduates had uh all were off totally. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2023.48 2026.17 Yeah, which are a bit crap, yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 2026.63 2027.28 No, 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2028.12 2028.36 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2029.62 2032.57 I think it was up to the professor whether they did it or not. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2033.47 2034.66 Yeah, okay. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2036.1 2040.92 I think D. I. L. will probably have one to make up for missing classes. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2034.66 2036.1 I think yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2032.57 2033.47 Well, I don't feel like teaching. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2040.92 2044.31 D. I. L. will probably have classes, yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 2034.37 2035.91 Nah, make 'em work. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2040.58 2040.82 What? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2045.78 2048.6 last week. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2048.6 2048.94 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2042.24 2045.78 Yeah, th we will probably have it, yeah yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 2048.55 2049.37 Let's meet Monday. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 2047.21 2048.55 Okay. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2048.07 2048.21 Yep. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 2050.35 2051.14 Done. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2050.48 2055.23 Yeah, um I guess that's it. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2056.76 2060.48 Do anyone know you wanna like take care of this or should I take care of it? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2055.23 2056.76 Was there anything else? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 2053.69 2053.86 Hmm? 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 2060.74 2061.71 Oh, we trust you. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2060.79 2062.02 You can have it. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2062.02 2062.48 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2065.78 2067.31 Oh I think he basically said 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2062.28 2062.63 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2062.63 2065.78 I don't know if there was something. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2069.59 2074.89 um the same things as in the comments, if I could read it. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2076.01 2080.75 Can you read that? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2081.46 2082.1 Um 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2078.17 2079.28 Huh? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2079.28 2081.46 Which one, the top one? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2084.36 2087.31 Do you really want multiple windows from a single lap? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2086.54 2086.71 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2088.8 2090.62 From a single application 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2089.6 2092.41 But most will probably want to go with defaults. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2094.87 2096.9 Well, uh that was, I guess. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2094.39 2094.87 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2094.67 2095.77 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2096.92 2097.17 You'd be s 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2095.77 2096.92 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 2098.66 2099 So it's 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 2096.44 2098.66 Yeah, I think the comments are basically the same as what you said. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2098.73 2104.9 Yeah, exactly, and just the other comment about whether you wanna do both speaker characterisation and topic segmentation. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2098.91 2099.15 Oh. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2105.6 2105.87 No. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2107.66 2108.58 Nothing terribly exciting. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2106.21 2107.66 Yeah, yeah that's about it. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2115.32 2117.08 Is quite good. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2107.83 2108.62 Oh yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2117.08 2117.86 So if y 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2109.96 2115.32 And now we have seven percent of the course already done? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2108.62 2109.96 Yeah? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2109.84 2110.26 Okay. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2117.04 2117.76 So 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2112.13 2114.27 Yeah. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2114.27 2116.14 Alright. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2116.14 2117.04 Okay. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 2113.82 2116.79 Yeah. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 2117.13 2118.98 I think we need to tick the okay box, right? 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 2116.83 2117.13 Right. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2119.14 2123.91 If you're okay with uh having Oh. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 2121.65 2125.02 Exciting. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 2120.07 2121.65 Ooh. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 2121.77 2122.73 Bu buzzes. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 2122.73 2122.94 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 2121.21 2121.77 Oof. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2125.92 2127.38 Okay. 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2127.38 2127.67 Yeah. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 2127.04 2127.67 Log off. 
EN2002a H03 MEE071 2126 2127.04 Signing off, innit? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2127.01 2129.89 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2126.26 2127.01 Who? 
EN2002a H00 MEE073 2129.89 2130.23 Okay. 
EN2002a H02 FEO072 2131.48 2132.62 Should we turn these off then or what? 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2133.91 2135.03 We're done now. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2135.03 2137.47 I uh 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2140.81 2141.59 Yes, you are. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2141.59 2142.37 Yeah. 
EN2002a H01 FEO070 2139.28 2140.81 Is she still here? 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 4.48 4.59 No. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 4.83 4.95 No. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 16.64 16.92 Okay. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 24.8 28.51 Who wants to take notes today? 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 24.23 24.8 Okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 29.06 29.29 Oh. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 32.59 33.08 Channel. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 36.03 36.47 Okay. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 37.03 38.15 Okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 42.4 43.81 I'll takes notes this time, I guess. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 39.03 39.9 Mm 'kay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 39.9 42.4 L I could take notes this time, I guess. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 39.76 39.92 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 42.85 43.63 Th okay. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 41.99 42.85 What? 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 43.63 43.73 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 44.95 46.12 Actually, I suppose I'll use this. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 45.81 46.96 I'll make funny drawings. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 59.54 62.31 Um actually I can just take that if you want. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 47.45 59.54 Um actually first thing I just sorta did a really sorta brief um, yeah, version of what we have to do. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 58.73 58.93 Yep. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 62.02 62.52 Thank you. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 86.61 89.47 Everyone's looking down reading. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 81.66 86.61 Very interesting start of the meeting. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 84.75 85.74 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 93.22 93.48 Okay. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 93.68 93.93 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 123.13 124.14 I like the timeline. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 127.3 131.02 So it's all, whatever inaccurate and well 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 124.7 127.3 Actually for that I was just copying the one straight out of the other documents. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 138.5 139.46 Basically that's fine, yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 137.43 138.5 Okay, yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 137.72 138.22 But yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 139.44 139.77 Um 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 138.22 139.44 Okay. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 139.26 141.35 Uh, b Let me see it. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 142.22 142.65 Oh. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 142.65 142.94 Very good. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 141.35 142.22 Oh, that's the same. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 141.11 141.74 Oh she has. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 142.44 142.63 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 141.74 142.44 She has her own. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 141.47 143.12 Yep. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 144.37 148.5 Um I'm not sure uh if we need the outline of the prototype. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 148.5 150.21 I mean what what are we gonna put into that? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 144.51 144.85 Okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 150.04 151.84 Well, just sorta well the thing is, yeah 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 157.07 158.97 exact yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 164.26 167.28 and so I was just saying that, you know, we could potentially do that. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 167.92 168.98 It's not something we have to 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 149.11 150.04 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 151.84 157.07 we're gonna be touching on all that during the other part for the progress and putting screen-shots and all the rest yeah 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 158.97 164.26 Well it's something that he had mentioned in the um in the previous like just to sort of have a prototype together,
EN2002b H03 MEE073 167.28 167.92 I don't know. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 154.41 156.88 Yeah, because I mean that's basically what we're doing here, isn't it? 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 156.88 157.53 The whole 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 167.42 175.26 Yeah, we could because this could be just some uh a little just just describe some screen-shots or something. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 170.46 170.58 Alter. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 174.69 175.27 Yeah, 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 177.3 177.85 Yeah, sure. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 185.19 185.6 So yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 185.6 188.29 Oh yes, oh actually I have a I have that at the very end screen-shots. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 183.95 185.19 It kinda makes sense. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 191.11 191.64 So 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 180.43 183.95 just throw the screen-shots in there when you talk about what you're doing, right. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 189.36 191.11 So it's not even relevant. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 177.85 180.43 Like the thing is I was thinking even in the stuff that I was doing, I mean,
EN2002b H03 MEE073 188.29 189.36 But that didn't show up on this page. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 185.35 186.1 Or you can have 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 183.61 185.35 Yeah, you can either have and we can just ignore that bit. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 190.18 190.52 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 200.1 200.78 It doesn't 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 191.59 193.91 Yeah, you can either have the Yeah, it says screen-shot there and stuff. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 193.91 200.1 But th you can either have screen-shots by the thing, each one, or um have just a bunch of 'em in one session. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 194.27 194.5 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 201.17 209.34 Anyways, so um so yeah, this just very general structure um, I guess from this we can just pop in our little blurbs and and uh. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 200.13 201.17 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 208.88 209.92 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 209.92 213.79 I've written the topic segmentation one. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 211.63 211.86 Cool. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 211.33 211.63 Oh yeah? 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 212.47 213.66 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 222.93 229.53 Um did someone else wanna throw it togeth Actually I can probably still throw it together if you want, um put your parts into into this one. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 214.54 219.77 Um so I don't know if there's other stuff that you think should be done to this, I could do that before I mail it to you guys. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 213.13 214.54 I guess. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 219.77 222.93 Um otherwise yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 222.75 223.55 Uh it should be alright. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 223.55 223.75 Do we d 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 241.8 247.54 So I'm only joking. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 229.84 237.25 I think Pernilla should do it, yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 237.25 238.59 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 238.59 239.7 Uh yeah, exactly. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 239.7 241.8 She's only gonna tell us we got it wrong anyway. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 231.2 244.43 Hmm she never said that. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 244.43 248.53 And I'm being like I don't know not a native speaker of English. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 248.53 250.92 I think is But what whatever. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 231.25 233.29 I'm the perfectionist, right. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 233.29 233.49 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 232.49 233.58 Yes. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 233.58 236.6 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 231.69 232.49 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 235.13 236.3 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 237.45 242.14 Let's just cut out the middle man, you know. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 236.3 237.45 That's a good idea. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 242.14 244.4 Just yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 251.96 252.35 Um 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 252.07 252.33 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 255.08 255.38 We'll see. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 252.67 255.08 Oh. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 257.99 259.19 I have lots of time tonight. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 256.58 257.99 I'm happy to do some as well. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 253.79 256.58 Yeah well, I mean it's up to you if you wanna keep going with that. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 259.41 259.61 Hmm. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 266.64 267.3 I'm sure 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 260.45 266.64 Um and then uh we'll send it to you and you can do the final revisions. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 275.47 294.1 so if you can work on it that and then like No, actually not. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 302.27 302.61 Yep. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 266.75 275.47 I'll uh look at it like when my usual working hours are like from twelve o'clock till three o'clock or something,
EN2002b H00 FEO070 295.95 302.27 So Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 294.1 295.95 But I'm never online on the morning. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 264.08 266.75 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 264.08 268.89 Th you can you can perfect it and 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 266.76 266.97 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 277.39 280.52 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 275.26 277.39 Oh yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 278.52 284.36 You always make me feel bad, because uh when I go to bed at like one, you're still online. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 275.33 278.52 I know, you're always online. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 284.36 285.92 You never go to bed. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 282.61 289.66 Sleep, sleep, food, sleep. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 283.05 283.37 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 286.68 289.43 Or you just leave your computer on maybe. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 289.43 291.79 Logged in. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 291.79 292 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 290.45 291.33 Always busy. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 292.8 294.09 Yeah, so maybe 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 291.33 292.8 Yeah, right. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 288.65 290.45 Yeah, you pretend. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 293.52 293.62 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 296.83 297.31 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 301.1 302.38 Anyways, alright. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 297.31 301.1 Actually I noticed that no one is. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 296.91 302.75 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 302.75 303.52 So 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 304.1 304.88 Okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 304.88 306.19 So I'll send it off to you. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 306.19 306.54 Then um 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 305.45 305.87 Well 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 307.64 314.18 Yeah, do what you wanna do with it first, and then I'll will look at Yeah, uh yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 314.18 317.94 And I'll send it out to you again tomorrow or whatever. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 317.94 318.1 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 307.97 308.08 Yep. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 309.52 309.86 Okay. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 311.35 312.57 Sabotage it. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 312.57 313.87 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 311.61 311.86 Right. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 312.42 312.8 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 313.29 314.64 Actually d um 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 316.2 316.77 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 322.49 324.6 Here, I'll s here's the old one. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 330.27 330.78 Um 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 318.81 322.49 I mean essentially it was what like f um you can't see it right there. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 316.77 318.81 Was there anything else we wanted to add to the time-line? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 327.72 330.27 Yeah, yeah, which just copied straight out. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 324.6 327.72 Well, that's that's the orig this the original one. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 320.7 321.19 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 323.86 325.08 Oh, there's more. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 325.08 326.36 Oh, I see. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 326.36 328.1 Oh, this is the one that okay. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 335.91 345.74 I think it um one thing that we could probably skip uh totally is the removing things from the audio files. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 331.01 335.91 Probably wanna think about if we wanna change our goals and stuff. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 335.63 335.91 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 345.47 349.09 That's what I thought as well, I mean do we are we are we actually gonna attempt that? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 346.95 347.26 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 347.47 348.18 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 348.21 352.59 That's no, I don't th that's that's too big, yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 349.73 351.84 Nah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 352.47 355.73 I think that's gonna be a b we don't even know how to approach that at the moment, I think. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 350.6 352.47 I don't think so either, yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 351.95 352.35 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 355.59 355.86 No. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 356.11 356.39 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 357.38 361.07 It's a good thing to have, to say we cou what we could have done if we had more time. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 368.42 368.72 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 361.07 362.26 A good future work thing, isn't it? 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 364.72 368.42 Should if we had more time, this is what we would have done. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 362.26 364.72 Stick in the conclusion of the final report. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 363.29 363.61 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 363.35 363.69 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 367.88 372.58 Unless we d unless we discover some sorta time-warp thing, it's not gonna happen. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 372.58 372.89 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 365.94 367.88 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 366.3 367.15 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 379.35 382.66 but put it under changes since the initial specification. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 382.66 389.01 And say, you know, we didn't we decided the the r time is too short, whatever. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 369.28 379.35 Um um so maybe I mean we we should we should definitely well we could probably not put it under this heading 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 367.15 369.28 Yeah, yeah, that's right. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 370.97 373.6 Yeah, if Yeah if 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 372.81 375.8 Yeah, but that's definitely one thing we could just remove. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 382.32 382.47 Yep. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 380.13 381.42 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 381.42 382.32 Yeah, sure. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 382.41 382.7 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 385.04 386.24 We don't think there's enough time. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 388.37 391.36 Or we felt there were more important things to do with our time than 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 390.9 391.71 Yes,. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 391.92 392.22 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 392.95 394.68 than worry about 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 393.84 398.48 We would prefer to concentrate on the main 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 393.36 393.84 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 401.17 401.54 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 404.96 411 And I think we should probably uh comment explicitly on the milestones here as well and say we managed to do 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 409.14 409.48 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 411.12 411.6 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 412.86 415.66 Or some of them were later, some were yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 415.66 416.31 We could even 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 411.6 412.86 This, this, and this. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 412.52 415.05 M m meet these milestones at Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 416.27 417.84 You have should have a section probably. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 415.33 416.27 Yeah, that's a good idea. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 417.51 419.38 I mean we haven't really yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 424.35 424.5 Uh 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 417.58 419.2 Like, you know, develop prototype GUI. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 419.2 424.35 We t you know, ah yeah we managed that nicely. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 417.94 418.27 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 419.68 419.97 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 420.46 420.79 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 423.51 423.68 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 421.32 423.51 Exactly. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 423.75 426 The best file on target or something. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 429.68 433.51 P plus plus or minus three days to yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 433.51 435.05 Yeah, that's that that's true too. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 425.59 426.54 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 427.91 428.81 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 428.81 429.68 Search, yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 435.05 437.86 That's true, yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 426.54 427.91 More or less. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 426.09 427.19 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 427.19 428.56 Yeah, put it put it good. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 426.17 449.5 He he d he doesn't have to know exactly what I mean, yeah m I mean it's hot finished, but it doesn't really say 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 428.01 436.08 Or t Well 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 440.06 442.51 Conceptually. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 443.8 445.95 Jesus. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 441.05 443.8 And so I've only got six days to do the topic segmentation as well. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 446.24 450.64 You don't have any uh S. P. N. L. P. assignments, do you? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 443.31 446.24 Ah that's plenty. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 448.69 451.88 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 451.88 452.49 Uh 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 460.24 460.88 M. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 452.13 454.28 And you can say yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 454.28 460.24 We uh say we are still aiming for the development to be complete on the or something. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 454.39 455.74 Speaker characterisation. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 457.48 458.02 Jesus. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 463.24 465.75 Yeah, two days ago. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 460.16 463.24 Speaker characterisation's supposed to be done already. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 460.58 460.84 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 462.38 464.42 Oh really? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 465.02 471.18 H Um is are one of those something that you wanna change and delete from our list of expectations? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 464.42 465.02 Oh Jeez. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 463.74 464.39 Whoa. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 472.98 475.92 Give me a week and I'll tell you the answer to that. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 474.96 475.76 Alright. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 475.76 478.98 Like should we put i a hint that something like that might happen into the document? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 474.36 474.96 Okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 473.94 474.36 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 474.85 475.93 I yeah, I 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 479 481.45 Or maybe the speaker characterisation might get slimmer. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 493.66 495.23 So it's definitely gonna be something there. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 481.89 483.21 Yeah, that's right. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 483.21 484.39 I I really wanna do it. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 484.39 486.78 I mean it's not it's not gonna be difficult. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 486.78 491.61 If at least have all the information pop up that is already in the meta-data file. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 491.61 493.66 That's gonna be no work at all. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 481.94 482.56 Okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 484.84 485.61 Yeah, I know. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 482.56 483.21 Alright. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 485.61 485.88 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 483.21 484.84 Okay. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 483.22 485.8 Probably we won't disappear it, yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 492.18 492.77 Yeah, okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 493.43 493.66 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 492.77 493.43 Yeah, true. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 491.3 492.18 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 493.19 493.32 Yep. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 492.25 492.78 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 492.78 493.19 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 495.34 497.81 Yeah, we won't make it disappear, but we might thin it down a bit. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 495.42 496.39 Okay, sounds good. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 496.03 496.18 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 498.07 498.27 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 500.95 503.12 Depends how how how how things m 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 499.21 500.95 Um but we might not, you know, but we might have time. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 501.3 504.84 Yeah, it might turn out easier than thought. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 506.75 507.24 Um 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 508.61 513.48 The topic segmentation with the L. C. seg and text tiles basically done. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 520.69 522.98 Let's see what happens. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 513.48 517.44 It just needs to be done because you know what I mean, the co yeah, tuned, yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 517.44 520.69 A search through the parameters or something. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 515.51 516.85 Tuned I guess or yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 513.63 515.51 Okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 516.85 517.76 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 522.48 522.72 Cool. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 526.11 526.41 Mm. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 526.6 527.41 Yeah, sounds good. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 530.15 530.59 What else? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 530.52 530.7 Okay. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 534.29 534.52 Hmm. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 537.4 540.16 Shall we change the deadlines? 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 536.78 537.4 I don't know. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 537.74 543.53 We should probably d sorry, we should probably do another responsibility of packages as well. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 543.53 549.61 That's what he hinted that we should also um indicate who who is responsible for what from now on. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 555.19 557.66 Maybe more detailed specifically. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 549.45 549.84 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 548.33 549.45 Right. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 549.84 553.12 Well I could probably just copy that straight out of the other one as well. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 553.12 555.19 That's essentially the same as it was. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 552.4 553.41 Yeah, pretty much. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 557.64 560.02 Well you could put, you know yeah, I don't know. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 565.42 565.73 Mm. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 574.15 576.5 Should we I mean now, yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 567.91 569.05 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 576.5 580.7 I mean we have it now like inverted and you have the other But what about the m 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 569.05 574.15 Should we, I don't know, do you think, Mike, about our things that we had together? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 575.94 576.38 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 578.91 580.16 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 576.38 578.91 I think so, yeah, like, yeah, inverted file. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 575.04 575.94 Split those apart? 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 583.96 585.93 Shall we just 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 581.98 583.96 Removing disfluencies? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 584.7 587.57 Well if we're skipping the audio one, and then things got easier. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 583.51 584.7 Oh. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 587.57 588.17 Um 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 587.75 593.73 Yeah, we just keep it together on the the pap there right now and just see what what? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 597.49 598.52 Okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 589.79 591.14 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 591.59 593.83 Have you taken any more of a look at it? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 598.52 599.26 We could probably 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 593.83 595.45 Have you taken any more of a look at it? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 591.14 591.59 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 596.71 597.49 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 595.45 596.71 At the disfluenc okay. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 595.65 597.5 No, not the disfluencies. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 597.5 598.7 No, haven't. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 601.66 605.04 I know if we'll have time to look at that before tomorrow. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 607.24 611.47 Like I'll claim one, you'll claim the other for the search things, and then we could leave that one as a a joint one. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 605.04 607.24 We could just make it up. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 603.87 604.78 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 604.78 606.94 Yeah, might be yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 606.77 607.63 So um 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 612.23 612.47 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 613.94 614 'Kay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 612.95 613.94 And that'd be good? 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 614.41 614.94 Something 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 614.96 617.66 Have you managed any further on the search thing? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 617.8 623.65 Um I found finally today something that I can build it in and it uh I should have something for tomorrow. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 631.58 634.36 So I wanna get something I wanna see this, I wanna get it together. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 639.52 639.91 So 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 634.36 639.52 Have an image in my mind and I just wanna see it on the thing and then get a nice screen-shot. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 623.65 631.58 I should uh, you know, at least very least have uh um a GUI and uh wire I'll be wiring that in hopefully tomorrow morning. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 627.98 628.28 Alright. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 629.2 629.73 That's nice. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 636.13 637.08 Yeah yeah yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 639.41 639.63 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 640.95 641.4 Um 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 642.15 646.51 Yeah, my intent is to work on these things tomorrow a bit more. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 646.51 653.48 So also, I don't know if we send it in on the afternoon, maybe I can add a few sentences too when I'm done. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 647 647.36 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 650.78 655.57 W well well it doesn't really matter, I mean you could write the sentences first as well. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 665.37 668.01 well I'll do this, I'll do that, you know, it just all falls together. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 662.73 665.37 I mean you write down the words and the ideas as, oh, okay,
EN2002b H03 MEE073 648.6 650.78 Well. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 659.12 662.73 I mean and also some sometimes it's a bit of a motivating factor too. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 655.57 659.12 I mean with the intention that this is done. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 658.09 658.77 Yeah yeah yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 658.77 659.2 Certainly. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 662.81 663.43 Oh yep. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 659.68 662.81 And if it's not, Hopefully it won't be. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 658.42 659.68 Then it's done. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 666.23 666.94 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 666.94 667.65 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 667.65 668.01 We'll see. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 673.9 674.74 How's that coming along? 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 668.25 672.39 How about the underlying data for it? 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 672.39 673.9 For the d inverted file. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 672.54 672.77 Hmm. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 674.06 674.32 Oh. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 682.74 688.05 Um I think uh I was wondering about that is uh, I haven't looked at it so much 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 688.05 696.65 but if m any of you guys know how we could do the like from the uh extract words that you did,
EN2002b H00 FEO070 679.62 682.74 But yeah but I'll work on it. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 696.65 702.03 like also in uh in this extract t time stamps on stuff, so we can is it 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 675.81 679.62 Well, I was still like struggling with Java stuff. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 679.41 679.73 Oh yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 679.83 680.18 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 681.44 682.04 Coming along. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 734.37 735.34 I think it returns it double. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 701.41 712.09 Just yeah, well it just um when he pulls up the segments um part of that, one of the f one of the attributes you do get attributes. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 700.71 701.41 Easy, yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 714.56 719.27 Search through those and and then it just you can that will tell you what attributes it's got. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 724.35 731.45 So you just say um get attribute and put I think it's I think the method's called get attribute and just it's called start time and end time. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 731.45 734.37 And that will tell you the start times and end times. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 719.27 724.35 And then you can either do it automatically or you can just hard-code and say, look, get me the time stamps. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 712.09 714.56 get attributes, it returns a list of attributes. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 705.52 705.85 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 711.94 712.39 Okay. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 718.84 719.2 Okay. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 729.79 730.1 Okay. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 731.78 732.11 Okay. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 734.04 734.33 Okay. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 736.4 736.74 Okay. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 741 741.39 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 741.39 743.74 So now I could just put it in some 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 744.47 749.08 Yeah, that's on the um the n the the NOM right elements. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 749.08 752.3 The the the uh the object is a NOM right element, I think. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 745.04 746.06 Tuple or something, yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 748.44 749.02 What, on the 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 752.26 752.63 Okay. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 754.88 755.66 Mm. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 756.4 757.74 That should uh tell you what it is. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 757.76 758.83 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 758.83 759.62 I'll take a look at that. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 767.81 771.34 So w is there um did you have you made uh another M. browser? 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 771.34 772.73 Is there something that I should 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 784.73 785.39 Okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 783.06 783.62 Oh really? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 783.62 784.73 Since Friday,? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 796.99 798.47 Alright, yeah, okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 801.42 809.66 Um yeah, so if you although there's stuff out there that actually I'm gonna try and minimise the amount of changes I make to M. browser anyways. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 788.17 788.56 Okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 776.21 779.69 so I might just um delete what I've done and copy again from yours. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 771.59 776.21 Um there is, but I w I haven't made a lot of changes to it 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 809.66 810.36 Shouldn't um 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 795.98 796.99 Alright. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 799.69 801.42 Okay, cool. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 786.76 788.17 Oh right, I see. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 785.39 786.76 I thought you said okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 798.47 799.69 Right. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 795.08 795.98 No, okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 779.69 783.06 'Cause I'm sure you've probably made some changes already. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 788.56 795.08 I thought you said that you had written some things that maybe have caused some bugs and that you were gonna fix those on the weekend or something. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 782.21 785.24 Not since you looked at it last, no. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 785.24 786.71 But I will tonight, that's the point. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 795.06 796.43 No. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 798.86 802.5 Weekend was out. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 796.43 798.86 After the weekend. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 830.92 834.71 So that when they, you know, click on that, it's gonna go to the relevant thing. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 815.82 820.29 um like if we have topics as well as transcripts as well as what was the other? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 811.65 812.48 shouldn't be an issue. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 820.29 821.14 Summaries. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 812.48 815.82 Actually just to clarify last week when we were talking about our search results 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 825.02 830.92 Or do we want them all in one pane with like an icon or a different colour or something to indicate what type of result they are? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 821.14 825.02 Um do we want separate result panes uh for each of those? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 834.71 839.98 Like just if they check all three say topics, summaries, blah blah blah, have three different windows come up? 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 837.44 838.5 Mm-hmm, yeah, yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 841.48 843.59 Or three like sub sub-panes sort of. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 848.35 850.8 Or is there, you know does the window get larger? 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 850.8 853.45 What's there kind of what are you thinking? 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 846.27 848.35 Or is that a r a second results pane? 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 842.13 846.27 Well at the moment is there at the moment is there a window that comes up? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 847.14 847.75 Um 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 872.55 873.84 One, two or three, depending on which ones you check. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 860.46 864.85 Um I don't know if we still wanna keep it that way, but that's uh that's what I was gonna be working. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 868.02 872.55 You know, splits that thing into like two or three or whatever that is. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 878.66 882.46 Just trying to think if there's gonna be any other issues down the road um depending on 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 864.85 868.02 So so it's just like you click those and it's just loads up. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 857.33 860.46 um so it'll be on the search window, bottom half of the search window. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 873.84 878.66 And then um so if we wanna do it that way, you know like it probably doesn't matter too much. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 850.39 857.33 What um I thought what we sorta discussed last week was to have it sort um the same window,
EN2002b H02 FEO072 859.8 860.16 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 864.63 865.01 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 869.5 869.86 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 868.49 869.5 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 872.08 872.66 Um 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 880.11 880.7 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 884.42 888.47 Do you have um three separate windows for the three separate different types of results? 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 882.4 884.42 What, have th th uh you confuse me. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 902.12 904.67 So for one for topics, one for I don't not really tabs. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 898.59 902.12 then it'll uh You know, there'll be two result panes. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 904.67 909.32 Um But then you can't see all of them at the same time, and it's just like 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 888.13 894.09 No, just just panes, just result panes for each of the three no no no, no No. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 895.03 898.59 So so it's just when we click, you know, topics and summaries for what we wanna search,
EN2002b H03 MEE073 894.09 895.03 No, no. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 893.34 893.86 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 894.8 895.29 Right, yep. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 893.86 894.8 Okay. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 890.21 893.34 Okay, not not three different okay, okay, cool. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 892.09 896.25 Pop-ups. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 897.7 897.85 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 902.04 902.99 Or tabs or something. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 901.32 902.04 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 904.05 906.83 Yeah, I quite like the idea of a tab in that case. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 907.55 908.62 All of them, no. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 908.55 913.54 But you wouldn't want to compare the result the topic one topic result with one summary result, would you? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 913.03 917.83 Well it's no, but the thing is if you're looking if you could check them both um you wanna see all the results. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 916.53 918.31 Actually mm, yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 918.31 921.68 Especially if you get if you get results for the same meeting. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 918.39 919.61 Yeah yeah, it's three panes. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 923.14 933.2 so the summary and the topic and the transcript are um So Um or we could just put them all into one result pane on that same window and just indicate 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 922.82 923.14 Yeah 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 921.78 922.82 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 924.17 925.58 Yeah, yeah, it's true. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 922.92 924.17 Maybe yeah, yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 932.13 934.92 I mean we could we could order them by meeting, for example. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 930.8 932.13 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 942.33 942.96 It's a lot of work. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 940.88 942.33 But that's a hassle too. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 935.86 936.2 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 934.92 935.86 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 936.2 940.88 Oh yeah, I guess that was the other thing whether we wanna have this reorder by columns and all that. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 939.86 944.97 Yeah well, I mean uh if, you know, that's uh you even a second step, the first question is do we want to order them. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 938.46 939.86 How to order it. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 944.97 946.59 How do we wanna order them in the first place. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 946.52 947.29 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 952.88 955.98 So yeah, that kinda makes most sense. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 947.29 949.78 I think, yeah, probably by meeting makes most sense. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 949.78 952.88 I mean essentially they're tem you know, in time order. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 950.34 950.82 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 957.25 958.42 Yeah, maybe we should do that. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 957.67 958.35 Least uh 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 964.58 965.85 Should be fairly easy, I guess. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 959.59 961.34 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 962.04 964.58 Should be an easy no, I don't know actually. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 961.34 962.04 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 982.04 984.33 Yeah, m why don't you just um 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 985.44 986.38 colour-code those. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 987.48 987.76 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 987.97 990.22 The results to three different colours. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1004.52 1012.6 it may be difficult to get that information back once it's just in a list-box, an item in a list-box. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1001.75 1004.52 And then if we're highlighting something in a transcript window,
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1012.6 1014.96 So let's there's yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 999.46 1001.75 It's hard to tell whether it was a a transcript or whatever. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1014.96 1015.99 Whereas if it's coming from 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 993.64 999.46 just that it's hard to tell what kind of object it was originally, once it's put into like a list-box or something. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 988.88 993.64 Thinking sometimes in a case like that, like a run across um in other languages,
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1013.5 1014.36 No, but if you 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1022.7 1029.35 rock bottom lev level saying if th if you found a segment, then colour it print it in red or whatever, and 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1019.36 1022.7 and then there's some if statement saying s straight on the, you know,
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1015.61 1019.36 If you if you do it straight from you know, you get th you get the result,
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1026.26 1026.52 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1027.72 1027.99 Right. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1029.22 1029.85 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1029.85 1030.36 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1030.36 1031.08 It's just silly. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1030.83 1031.79 As opposed to 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1033.29 1038.42 Um yeah, it's just like from past experience I've there's goofy little things that happen,
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1038.42 1045.99 and it just doesn't let you save certain things, and it's just kinda um trying to to do a different kind of to go to a different window. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1032.64 1033.29 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1045.99 1050.8 So if you wanna go to the actual highlight the transcript or highlight the topic or highlight the summary. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1053.08 1058.35 'cause you're working with an event handler within the one panel or list-box or whatever it is. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1050.8 1053.08 At that point, that's sorta where it starts getting a little bit tricky 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1058.35 1058.9 And uh 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1038.84 1039.24 Oh right. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1042.04 1043.3 Well, have a look. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1041.38 1042.04 Ah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1049.91 1050.85 Oh, mm-hmm. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1053.35 1054.52 Yeah, yeah, I can imagine. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1058.78 1060.13 Oh, oh, I see, yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1066.77 1069.52 Or delegates or whatever the all that stuff. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1069.52 1070.83 So Anyways 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1060.24 1066.77 So Um there are ways around it, but you know, whether I'll be able to figure something out like that till before tomorrow yeah, I know. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1063.58 1065.45 You you have to use actions. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1069.55 1075.83 Um yeah, I mean um at the moment it works it works with highlighting in in the transcript window, doesn't it? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1075.72 1075.88 Right. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1075.88 1076.56 I think so. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1077.17 1077.69 So 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1101.16 1101.58 I don't 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1078.51 1086.01 I think he was saying that as long as we implement that um interface um it should work with anything that we do. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1091.2 1093.43 Um wasn't Jonathan saying something about that. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1086.01 1087.63 Like highlighting the yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1100.58 1101.16 I don't know. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1093.43 1097.6 I think it was just like as long as we implement one of these interfaces for this particular type of window 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1087.63 1091.2 I think that was um who is saying that? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1097.6 1100.58 we should be able to have that highlighting happen. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1090.1 1091.45 What do you mean it should work with anything? 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1100.2 1100.52 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1102.93 1103.35 Anyways 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1104.98 1105.24 Okay. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1105.72 1114.8 Yeah, I mean the whole um the m what fills the transcription box and all of these boxes is a special sort of pane made by NITE. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1116.76 1117.13 Um 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1114.8 1116.76 So I am not sure what it's called now. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1114.85 1115.4 Okay. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1119.51 1120.94 Um some 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1122.14 1124.78 Um no, but I know what it's called. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1128.78 1133.5 As I said, you know, if you if you left-click on something for example, it highlights automatically. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1133.5 1135.93 So maybe it comes with something clever as well. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1124.78 1128.78 And that comes with a whole load of highlighting extras as well. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1129.08 1129.86 Okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1128.53 1129.08 Okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1129.86 1130.11 Alright. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1132.98 1133.33 Okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1134.76 1139.68 Okay, maybe I should maybe I should use that as well in my Yeah, okay. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1138.11 1138.55 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1142.07 1142.25 Is it? 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1139.36 1142.07 It's called a NITE text pane or something, isn't it? 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1144.64 1145.18 NITE 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1141.47 1144.64 No, I'm sure it hasn't got pane in it. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1149.09 1150.49 Might yep. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1146.35 1149.09 I don't know, text text yeah, something like that. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1150.49 1153.17 NOM text there is alright. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1155.47 1157.19 NITE Oh. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1153.17 1155.47 Yeah, why what's NOM anyway? 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1146.91 1149.55 Text area or something something like that, yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1150.51 1150.8 Hmm. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1152.08 1153.21 Mostly things are called NOM. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1151.39 1152.08 NOM text, yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1153.21 1153.64 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1155.04 1155.2 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1153.67 1155.04 Yeah, why. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1159.91 1164.32 NITE object model, I think that's what 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1155.33 1159.91 NITE object model, I think. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1157.04 1158.71 Okay, that makes sense. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1159.11 1159.74 What do you say? 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1165.4 1166.82 Okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1175.01 1175.58 Mm. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1178.69 1179.82 With the um 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1187.66 1196.75 'Cause um I was wondering how we're gonna write it back to H. T. M. L. I mean X. M. L., if we take if we did the processing. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1181.3 1185.69 The removing the disfluencies, have you done anything with that yet? 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1185.69 1187.66 Anybody. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1185.97 1186.46 No. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1186.46 1187.18 No, we haven't. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1198.28 1198.7 Um 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1198.29 1199.79 Writing it back to X. M. L. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1210.16 1213.39 transcript no, 'cause then we need all the other data if we wanna keep it a transcript, right. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1203.35 1210.16 Like not ev not as X. M. L., just sort of as a Was that What was that um What transcripts recent oh no,
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1199.68 1203.35 It's I thought we were just going to have that as words. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1201.59 1202.03 Seems 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1205.75 1206.91 There's a blop of text. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1208.2 1208.72 Text file. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1222.15 1222.4 But 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1218.28 1222.15 There is some bizarre method that puts things back into X. M. L. format. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1213.98 1218.28 You will very much limit what you can do with it if it's not in X. M. L. format. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1214.71 1215.02 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1216.31 1217.38 Yeah, that's true. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1217.83 1218.15 Good point. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1216.35 1217.83 Yeah, that's true, yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1221.44 1223.53 Why do you why do we want it in X. M. L. there? 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1223.53 1228.57 I mean I thought we'd we'd just selectively selectively write the X. M. L. that we've got. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1230.28 1230.81 What 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1231.13 1233.03 So as as opposed to 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1231.4 1231.95 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1233.11 1237.83 Oh, select what we want, just take bits of the X. M. L. and take only it takes certain segments. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1237.83 1238.08 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1235.77 1236.1 Yeah t 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1236.72 1237.05 Hmm. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1249.1 1251.18 Not not store it at all whatsoever. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1244.85 1249.1 We'll just put an if loop in it that leaves out some of the print statements. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1243.13 1244.85 At the moment it prints out all of them. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1237.2 1243.13 Yeah, only only print out certain um certain segments, the segments that we want just selectively. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1237.24 1238.35 Yeah, like 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1249.17 1249.63 Alright. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1248.01 1249.17 Okay, yeah, yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1244.58 1246.17 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1246.17 1247.13 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1247.13 1248.01 Certain segments. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1243.83 1244.58 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1245.09 1245.34 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1248.04 1248.56 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1251.23 1251.99 Okay. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1251.99 1252.49 That 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1256.64 1259.02 That's sorta what we were thinking before. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1252.86 1255.31 Okay, then that's then that's not yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1259.02 1260.33 Actually, but this makes more sense. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1255.31 1256.64 Yeah, I know. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1252.52 1252.86 Oh yeah? 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1252.88 1255.3 Yeah, that's what and that's what I think we like 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1253.28 1253.8 Because 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1255.8 1256.4 That's what 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1254.58 1255.8 It says something different there. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1256.5 1256.83 Okay. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1257.24 1257.89 Oh right. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1261.2 1265.33 But that will mean that you can only do things on actually no uh, 'cause you need to do things on word level. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1265.33 1266.23 So yeah, that's fine. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1257.89 1259.42 Then written to a written to a file. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1259.42 1261.2 I kinda doubt just that it would ever be done. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1261.76 1262.08 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1266.24 1269.89 Yeah, if we're gonna do the X. M. L., then fine, that's that probably makes it easier. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1268.47 1268.9 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1268.96 1271.47 I mean, we're not really uh well, I mean 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1272.9 1275.71 we're not gonna do much more than just look at the 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1277.16 1284.5 the rem like the text problem with disfluencies, 'cause we're not gonna search it and we're not gonna like listen to it. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1285.46 1285.74 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1286.29 1286.58 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1286.44 1288.16 Since we're not doing the audio thing. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1289.53 1289.89 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1293.77 1295.03 But, well anyway, yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1289.89 1293.77 So I guess just to displaying it is a alright. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1290.48 1291.02 So what? 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1294.64 1295.08 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1293.16 1294.64 It's fine. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1293.44 1294.33 As text, you mean? 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1296.17 1296.94 Yeah, that's right. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1294.04 1296.17 Yeah, yeah, you don't really need to do much more with it. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1296.06 1296.33 No. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1296.59 1297.57 Yeah, but it would 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1301.2 1304.71 create a text file, take the disfluencies out of the text file and then yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1297.04 1301.2 The thing is like well how would we display the like if we do take disfluencies out and just c you know,
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1309.75 1310 And 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1304.73 1309.75 It won't look like it won't say, speaker X. says this, speaker Y. says that, speaker Z. says this. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1303.01 1304.73 It would just be blurb like a summary. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1308.7 1309.29 Well that is true. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1314.86 1315.68 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1315.68 1316.31 That's true too. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1309.67 1314.86 Unless we extract that out of the file when we create the text file. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1312.87 1315.98 Then it will look ugly probably, 'cause it will look just black and white. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1312.41 1312.87 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1315.98 1317.25 Unless you want as dark colouring. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1318.91 1321.49 Like just like yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1322.9 1323.26 No. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1321.49 1322.9 No. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1316.77 1318.91 It's probably best and do as you said. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1319.3 1322.33 I don't think it's gonna take long to to produce anyway. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1322.33 1331.22 It's just another um I mean these meetings are not endlessly long, it's just words, and to print all of them out selectively 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1321.63 1323.82 No no, I don't think that's I think it's true. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1323.81 1324.12 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1332.36 1333.58 It does it on the fly anyway, didn't it. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1333.58 1333.85 So 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1334.08 1334.49 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1335.1 1338.59 So then just goes through it and says if this word equals that then print. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1335.23 1335.44 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1339.32 1339.5 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1339.47 1339.74 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1340.95 1341.48 Um 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1341.83 1343.37 Just a bunch of if statements is 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1344.16 1350.16 You could nearly do it together with with uh the transcription with the original transcription, have them run parallel. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1344.27 1344.44 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1355.9 1360.24 print it on both both panes, and if it's not a proper word, then print it only on one. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1351.86 1355.9 So if certain, you know if it's a proper word,
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1360.24 1362.32 But I mean that's that's, you know, fancy, but 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1361.79 1362.02 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1364.93 1365.7 But um 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1367.89 1369.55 You just fatten the code out a bit. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1365.98 1367.89 This is probably and that's probably not that much more difficult. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1369.55 1371.27 I It would be the same thing. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1365.01 1365.98 Yeah, you probably could actually. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1367.23 1367.7 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1370.75 1371.36 But then 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1369.52 1370.75 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1372.51 1381.84 you know, the the b the good way of doing it um not together is that you if someone doesn't wanna look at the the,
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1381.84 1384.07 you know, the chop file, then you don't ever have to produce it. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1383 1385.07 And they can't yeah, exactly. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1385.48 1388.26 So But I mean you can, you know 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1395.83 1401.4 If it's gonna take too long, we'll think about writing it to a file and doing it off-line. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1388.26 1395.83 you can write we can write something like um we'll try and do it on the fly and and observe if if that gonna is gonna take too long. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1397.63 1397.85 Right. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1400.51 1405.36 It's just uh they'd just be if statements when they fast if statements, aren't they. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1405.36 1406.96 This is loads of if statements. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1400.16 1400.51 Shouldn't, no. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1400.92 1401.09 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1402.99 1403.82 Yeah, i um. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1403.04 1404.01 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1439.63 1442.15 Although on the fly it's typic it's it's typically pretty fun. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1433.73 1437.25 And then that way we could even pre-process that before hand. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1421.95 1428.37 I mean to process X. M. L. into like in just creates whatever file it's gonna be in. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1411.01 1417.75 flip it into uh yeah, just uh transforms um like um style sheet, the um X. M. L. style sheet. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1417.75 1421.95 And then it's kinda like there's usually things built in to well should be built into Java 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1405.31 1411.01 I was just thinking as well, I mean we could probably even use like X. S. L. T. to kinda just transform it and, you know,
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1404.01 1405.31 Or I don't know. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1428.37 1431.07 Uh it's been a f couple of years since I've looked into anything like this. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1431.07 1433.73 But uh that might even be an easier way. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1437.25 1439.63 I don't know, do well we don't wanna have to do that, right? 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1412.46 1412.95 Well is that 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1416.84 1417.38 Oh right. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1442.61 1445.69 Even trying to read it in X. M. L. with Java was complicated enough. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1445.69 1451.37 I gave up doing that completely and just defaulted back to n uh NITE stuff, 'cause it was much much much easier. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1439.34 1442.61 I wouldn't wanna have to put it take to put it back into X. M. L. with Java. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1446.57 1447.31 Oh really? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1447.31 1448.9 Okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1445.32 1446.57 Oh right? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1448.9 1449.17 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1450.71 1450.99 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1451.46 1451.85 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1455.18 1459.69 Otherwise, you're gonna be s Java, trying to do s it was just so complicated it was ridiculous. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1452.83 1455.18 So if we can do it with NITE stuff, do it with NITE stuff, I think. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1455.24 1456 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1454.44 1455.24 Yeah, okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1461.61 1461.92 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1459 1461.61 Okay. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1470.04 1470.93 It was mad. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1461.8 1462.89 Don't believe it. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1462.89 1470.04 You have to d start defining object models like the NITE thing and getting all bizarre w weird things. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1465.96 1467.33 Are you serious? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1465.51 1465.96 Yeah, okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1468.95 1469.46 It's insane. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1492.02 1494.08 It'd be nice to just sorta see what they're doing. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1478.57 1486.85 'Cause it would be nice to have all the tools there and just like have the object model and just kind of like plug and play with everything and just to actually use the system,
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1475.22 1478.57 Like just to see h what they what system they used to develop this stuff. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1471.68 1475.22 Actually I was thinking I might try and talk to who is it, Jonathan and Jean? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1486.85 1489.21 you know, at a higher level rather than kinda, you know 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1494.08 1498.27 So I might uh try and contact them, see if there's, I don't know, 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1489.21 1492.02 playing around with a little bit of code and modifying their code and doing this and that. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1475.51 1475.84 Hmm. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1475.84 1476.08 Mm. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1502.25 1505.42 Just to get things, I don't know, moving at a higher level I guess. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1499.64 1502.25 any other hints they could give us. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1506.88 1511.37 It seems it'd be more interesting to use it as a a real developer would. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1517.43 1517.72 So 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1513.04 1517.43 'Cause just seems like a little tinkering here and there and just adding couple things and, I don't know. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1518.81 1521.03 That's what programming is all about, I'm afraid. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1518.89 1519.29 A channel. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1518.9 1519.07 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1533.16 1534.41 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1523.97 1533.16 It should be conceptual and, you know, coming up with the the brilliant ideas and then just, yeah, bringing those to reality. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1520.34 1523.05 N no no, it shouldn't be, no. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1523.05 1523.97 It should be higher level. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1534.41 1538.11 I don't know. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1533.23 1534.32 That's the higher people. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1531.59 1532.66 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1532.66 1533.23 Maybe. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1538.55 1540.32 I have a friend there too. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1538.95 1539.67 Well, I mean 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1548.1 1549.7 if you wanna do it. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1549.7 1554.09 I I personally don't wanna mess with uh writing files or anything the moment. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1540.87 1548.1 yeah, why don't you put both of both of those ideas in into that that paragraph and say you'll have a look at both or something 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1554.09 1555.26 I wanna do it superficially. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1547.56 1547.78 Hmm. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1549.41 1549.67 Hmm. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1551.52 1551.82 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1565.82 1570.89 But yeah, just, I don't know, just it doesn't make any difference really either way to me. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1564.3 1565.82 Text file or X. M. L. or whatever it is. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1563.72 1564.3 It's file. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1574.02 1577.49 Um that's about the only issue I have with on the fly, whether it's fast enough. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1558.64 1563.72 Like the thing that I was thinking there is well is that once it's done for a f you know, one meeting, it's done and it's there. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1570.89 1574.02 It's like hmm if it's fast enough on the fly, then sure. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1563.14 1563.48 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1578.06 1578.48 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1578.67 1579.39 I spoke to. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1578.82 1578.93 Hmm. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1581.82 1586.49 it's just if it's loading the file and doing all the rest and processing the p 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1579.56 1581.82 Especially with Java and all this other crap. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1586.43 1587.95 Well it has already learned it anyway. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1588.08 1588.36 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1589.08 1590.85 Yeah, it's always it's, is it. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1591.2 1591.4 Right. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1594 1594.94 Should be fine, yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1592.37 1594 It's just a it's just a for loop, really. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1594.84 1595.09 Yep. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1594.15 1594.84 Yep. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1598.38 1598.7 Hmm. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1594.23 1594.96 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1594.96 1598.38 Whether it runs out of memory. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1596.79 1597.24 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1600.22 1600.68 Um 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1603.86 1607.3 So should we all write um a letter or two about future work as well? 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1608.91 1611.31 Yeah, I included a future work in my own section. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1611.31 1611.61 But 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1609.14 1609.96 A word or two. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1611.8 1612.13 Oh right. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1611.81 1612.13 Yeah yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1612.82 1622.74 I just said I said what I've done so far and what I'm gonna do, and some pro some issues. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1615.22 1616.81 Yeah, well maybe you could 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1618.05 1619.22 Actually yeah, that makes sense. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1617.26 1618.05 Right. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1617.99 1619.36 Maybe you could split that up and 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1620.54 1623.83 Um oh like into each separate I know yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1622.74 1623.83 I think you lose the 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1622.78 1626.42 Yeah, like here is what we've done already, and then, you know, down here 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1625.6 1627.6 You might lose a bit of continuity if you do that, though. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1628.52 1631.94 But sometimes it's easier to have the top it in its own its sections, if you see what I mean. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1627.6 1628.52 That's what I was thinking. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1631.94 1634.17 So you talk about speaker characterisation, you say what you've done and 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1626.33 1626.67 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1631.46 1632.1 Yeah, act 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1632.73 1633.37 Mm. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1641.92 1642.04 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1633.26 1633.72 Okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1635.37 1640.18 But maybe at the end, maybe just uh a point form of, you know, things that we're still working on, things that we'll do. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1640.18 1641.92 Yeah, yeah yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1633.72 1635.37 I think that does make sense. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1639.19 1639.55 Maybe. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1643.81 1647.47 Because if you have a discursive thing here and then another discursive thing there,
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1641.01 1643.55 Something bullet pr bullet bullet points. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1639.85 1641.01 Goals or something. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1643.55 1643.81 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1647.47 1650.61 if they're not together you lose a lot of the um the continuity, I think. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1642.55 1643.57 Yeah, maybe. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1641.93 1642.55 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1641.06 1641.93 Yeah, that's right. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1643.57 1643.95 Maybe. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1643.59 1643.84 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1647.12 1648.01 Yeah, I know what you mean. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1649.3 1650.79 Mm yeah, maybe you're right. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1650.79 1651.14 No. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1649.68 1650.91 Yep. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1650.91 1651.41 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1651.41 1652.26 Actually I'll just 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1652.02 1652.43 But um 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1681.12 1682.1 Oh that's true. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1688.4 1690.92 We're all half-asleep, aren't we? 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1683.33 1685.47 Sounds good. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1685.47 1688.4 Anything else anyone wants to talk about? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1685.01 1685.96 Hmm 'kay. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1685.22 1686.75 So apart from that yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1693.39 1693.78 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1693.65 1694.26 Burnt out. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1704.05 1705.52 Yeah um 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1696.83 1704.05 Yeah, maybe asleep. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1700.46 1712.29 But uh So we're all still writing our um summaries, sending them to you, you send it on to Pernilla. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1697.06 1698.5 What. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1699.34 1700.46 Maybe asleep. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1698.5 1699.34 Huh. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1697.07 1702.68 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1705.25 1705.57 Okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1702.68 1705.25 Snore. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1701.24 1701.72 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1717.24 1721.14 Uh okay I c I can yeah sure, if you wanna send them to me that's fine. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1721.14 1724.73 Yeah, okay, actually no no n actually that's a good idea, I'll take one quick look over 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1715.16 1717.24 Or do you want to or no? 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1724.73 1727.28 try and get it as good as I think that we yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1711.65 1714.47 Or or she'll just take she can take it from now. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1714.47 1715.16 Doesn't matter. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1715.34 1716.16 How kind. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1716.87 1717.9 What? 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1723.38 1723.58 But 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1720.91 1723.38 It doesn't matter for me either. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1719.79 1720.91 I don't know. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1727.61 1730.69 I mean if we both yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1726.91 1727.61 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1727.03 1727.45 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1727.42 1728.28 You stick it together. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1728.28 1728.99 She'll shine it. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1729.42 1729.72 Okay. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1729.65 1730.65 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1730.65 1736.52 And then send it on to us so we can nod. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1732.72 1733.54 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1732.83 1736.28 Purely a formality. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1741.99 1743.81 It like no. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1736.6 1741.99 And correct back any he like things that I thought was wrong in English or whatever. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1733.04 1735.68 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1743.81 1747.03 That's not that or whatever. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1735.68 1736.6 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1735.97 1736.67 Yeah. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1740.89 1749.96 Okay. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1751.09 1754.52 I haven't used my pen. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1749.96 1751.09 Sounds good. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1740.99 1742.9 Right. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1749.86 1750.22 Okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1742.9 1748.48 Okay, we're changing dialogue back to hello Jean. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1748.48 1749.86 No. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1741.7 1742.08 Yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1744.93 1746.69 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1750.66 1750.97 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1752.19 1752.66 Oh. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1755.4 1759.83 I write wrote like four lines of whatever. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1753.96 1755.4 It's sad. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1759.83 1763.53 Um yeah, twelve thirty tomorrow with 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1752.51 1753.96 Oh. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1754.79 1755.81 I have. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1759.32 1759.95 Okay. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1763.64 1765.43 Oh, oh, right, okay. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1764.43 1767 S Steve-O. . 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1765.16 1765.68 Steve. 
EN2002b H02 FEO072 1765.67 1766.35 Oh God. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1772.67 1773.56 Yeah. 
EN2002b H00 FEO070 1768.73 1772.67 Yeah. 
EN2002b H03 MEE073 1768.82 1771.79 Well, I thought you had tomorrow off. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1782.73 1783.94 Twelve days and write, yeah. 
EN2002b H01 MEE071 1783.94 1786.59 Not much without any of us 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 20.66 23.06 Oops. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 25.41 27.56 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 23.06 25.41 Does it squeeze in, aye, like that? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 21.49 21.7 'Kay. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 37.21 38.46 Okay. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 46.45 46.71 Right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 50.99 51.6 There's more uh 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 47.03 47.64 Hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 47.64 50.99 Did you wanna take a look at comments. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 53.27 56.56 Did we get seven out of ten for the other one? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 56.98 59.37 It's going uh. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 54.96 56.98 Yep. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 55.6 55.77 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 61.76 62.05 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 61.32 61.76 Oh? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 63.55 65.23 Excellent. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 64.31 65.31 Okay. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 67.06 67.31 Sure. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 67.11 68.2 Okay, right, see ya. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 67.59 67.93 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 76.13 76.38 Okay. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 91.79 93.53 just said the same things you just said. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 93.86 94.19 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 97.45 99.28 Yep. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 97.62 98.22 Mm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 103.84 103.98 'Kay. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 103.98 105.16 So how we're getting along? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 107.14 107.59 Not bad. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 116.23 120.2 Like if you're in a topic and it goes and highlights the topic in the text or whatever,
EN2002c H03 MEE073 126.46 127.22 N. O. M. or 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 120.2 126.46 is there a particular type of control that like is there one of these N. X. T. or sorry, um NITE controls? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 107.69 116.23 Um one thing that I was wondering, is there a standard control that you use to connect the different things? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 146.26 148.56 So you should probably look at the 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 125.07 128.6 Um I think there is. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 143.33 146.26 Um it has some sort of highlighting stuff there. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 128.6 141.28 Just because um the the topic box and all this is um is based on um, oh what's it called, nom no, NITE text area or something. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 141.28 143.33 In text area, is that what it is? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 140.86 141.4 Okay. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 151.04 152 Um 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 155.36 157.31 I'm not sure if it's in-built though, to be honest. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 167.08 167.79 No. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 157.93 158.54 Mm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 162.28 166.69 Like other topics or well we're gonna do one for speaker I guess and all the rest, right? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 158.54 162.28 You haven't had to build any new windows to do that sort of thing. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 167.79 173.38 Well okay, um when we talk about speaker characterization, how are we accessing the list of speakers? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 166.69 167.08 Or no? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 166.68 167.86 What what what wh wh 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 208.77 215.28 So that the who the speakers that are at the meetings and the amount they speak, and then the averages are contained with the speakers. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 197.78 202.95 one that represents the meetings, and the meet and the information about both is contained within each object. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 219.65 227.09 and you can recall they can write the it writes the objects and then you call the objects back and they ha those returned objects have all the information that they need 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 218.12 219.65 And they all they're two different objects 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 202.95 208.77 So and then they wr it writes objects and the objects contain all the information about the meetings and the speakers. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 227.09 231.31 and then you can call methods to return whatever you want. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 183.97 191.86 If someo if you wanna do that, then then tell me how you want the data presented, how the 'cause Do you want me to tell you? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 182.62 183.97 No, not really. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 191.86 197.78 Okay, like, 'cause at the moment, the the the there is I've created two classes, one that represents speakers,
EN2002c H02 MEE071 173.38 174.86 T uh I wanted to talk about that actually. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 174.86 182.62 Um this speaker, um the data processing is fine, but uh we don't particularly want to do the b the the b the GUI for it. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 215.28 218.12 So there's two separate class, aren't there. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 231.31 235.32 Or everything, but that's why I wanted to know how ho what's the easiest way to have the data. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 185.22 188.69 Yeah, I w I was thinking about uh I was going that direction anyway. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 183.39 185.22 Okay, I'll do it. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 182.5 183.39 You don't. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 183.87 184.08 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 186.7 186.88 Right. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 190.53 190.99 Yeah, that 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 218.36 218.75 So 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 216.98 218.36 Okay, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 232.37 232.67 I think. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 229.87 231.59 Okay, yeah, I see what you mean. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 231.59 232.37 I think. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 235.2 240.02 So um I uh have you already calculated all this data or are you supposed to do that? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 240.02 240.42 Oh right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 235.84 236.08 Hmm. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 241.99 245.93 Um and all stored as objects, so dot object files. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 254.63 257.33 And then or just call them one at a time to populate window. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 245.93 253.89 Um which means that you just ret call constructor and call the load thing and call it there and you can create a list of them or a vector of them or whatever you wanna do 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 253.89 254.63 yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 261.49 267.83 'Cause it can come back as a almost anything. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 267.83 269.61 What's easiest to display on the screen. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 238.91 241.99 Yeah, supposedly all calculated, yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 257.33 261.49 But that's what I wanted to how y how what format do you want the data to come back in. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 241.42 241.62 Okay. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 244.88 245.35 Alright. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 245.2 245.53 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 253.63 253.88 Okay. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 264.56 267.37 Uh what should it come back as? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 264.61 264.89 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 288.49 289.44 Whatever. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 273.29 277.98 I mean so that things are all modular, I mean it would be a good idea if we used that same idea for anything else we do. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 283.42 288.49 I mean search results, if they're all in a predictable thing with a name, certain properties or a list of properties, a vector. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 268.08 269.79 Actually, I know, that might also help. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 279.54 283.42 Um actually even the searches or whatever, you know, just any sort of thing. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 277.98 279.54 Or what else are we doing? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 289.44 289.83 Um 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 269.79 273.29 Like when he was talking about like have an architecture that things are gonna plug into,
EN2002c H01 FEO072 269.13 269.72 Numbers. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 273.14 273.48 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 280.2 280.81 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 282.39 283.28 Yeah, ca you could 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 286.72 288.02 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 342.4 343.12 Okay. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 326.89 329.77 It will say vector this cou I don't know, whatever. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 288.02 289.2 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 323.75 326.89 Uh just a string is noise w X. percent. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 290.41 291.02 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 309.13 316.95 So and then it's got inside it's got a link for it's got a it's got the n speaker's name, and then it's got their percentage for that thing. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 291.02 305.76 So um so I can have it so that it returns you a 'cause at the moment the main data structures are hash tables for the meetings that say it's got one that says percent it's called percent talk. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 316.95 323.75 So it can either come back as a you can have the hash table or you can have it returned as a vector, and it will say noise. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 289.2 290.41 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 305.76 308.6 One's percent noise and one is percent participation. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 308.6 309.13 Do you see what I mean? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 338.1 342.4 What the what the easiest thing dec how how you wanna display it. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 329.77 338.1 W you can either have it th you could either have it you could i have it like an embedded in vector or array of strings and each one represents one person or whatever. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 316.24 316.95 Oh, yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 337.45 338.49 Mm right. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 338.62 343.07 Um whatever you give me I can do it, I think. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 343.07 344 I mean um 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 340.53 343.42 H um yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 343.42 343.78 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 343.78 347.88 Just a matter of deciding what we what would be easiest, all the way around I mean. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 345.43 346.06 Um 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 346.4 347.95 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 347.95 348.37 Exactly. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 348.63 357.1 Um so what will whenever we open a window for one speaker um 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 355.18 355.48 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 359.62 363.17 See that's the ca How did we Can I have a look at that again? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 383.61 384.76 Some are quite amusing actually. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 365.17 366.22 Okay. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 389.41 391.37 Just spend too much time talking to Brits. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 384.76 389.41 The uh the influences of I lived in Germany for six months, don't know if that had any effect. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 403.36 404.28 I don't think that'll be difficult. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 391.37 393.81 That was bizarre thing. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 393.81 398.76 ,9 where did these people come from. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 381.91 383.61 Yeah, that's that's easy. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 370.82 377.1 It's speaker speaker is the uh controlling thing, not yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 377.1 377.68 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 377.68 381.91 So all of this uh all that's calculated as well, stored as speaker objects. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 398.76 401.67 So then the all that's calculated as well. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 366.22 370.82 S If it's in that format, it's speaker. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 401.67 403.36 All I have to do is get the dialogue acts. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 368.52 369.35 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 369.35 370.78 Sh pretty much, I would have thought. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 374.37 375.04 Yep. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 375.04 375.6 Definitely. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 373.36 374.37 Yep. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 381.46 381.9 Oh is it? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 388.99 391.8 Oh. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 394.58 394.99 Strange. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 391.8 392.78 Right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 392.78 394.58 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 404.9 405.1 Right. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 406.41 406.92 Um 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 417.34 419.73 Is it populated by the one present or the one highlighted? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 414.34 417.34 So then does this how does is how is this box populated? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 421.22 423.47 Um the one present. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 423.47 427.47 Although we could do th mm we could do the one highlighted I suppose. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 422.37 423.39 The one present, okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 424.53 424.89 Hmm. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 440.62 444.74 so that w could call that would call that and call the meetings method that said return that,
EN2002c H02 MEE071 435.46 440.62 So that's and it says like get get talk time, and you and y it takes a name 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 448.23 450.43 Um and the same for that, comes out there. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 444.74 448.23 and that would populate that, which should be an easy thing to do. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 429.5 435.46 'Cause at the moment I'm using there is there are methods that say um for the using, for other talks. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 429.63 429.72 Hmm. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 441.29 441.6 Mm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 444.82 445.16 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 447.06 447.39 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 470.31 471.63 So do you wanna do that then? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 453.99 458.89 that you wanna see, per topic you wanna see which one spoken most, something like that. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 464.2 470.31 And um and it would come up with how much they spoke and you can pick the one that s looks the most interesting. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 458.89 464.2 So you could you could zap through these topics uh meetings, sorry. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 449.63 453.99 I mean that would um that would be um implementing what you said,
EN2002c H02 MEE071 463.52 463.9 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 461.99 463.52 Meetings. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 468.34 468.99 Yep. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 468.99 470.44 Yeah yeah, that would be easy as well, yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 470.85 471.1 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 472.39 477.77 So I'll w I'll just leave in lots of methods that st that'll just return one number at a time. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 480.3 482 Okay, yeah, that's fine. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 471.99 472.39 Yeah, okay. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 477.77 480.3 That'll be the easiest way to do, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 478.43 479.36 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 477.15 478.43 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 479.36 480.04 Yeah, definitely. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 486.4 486.74 Or 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 481.66 486.4 So yeah, random things like just like return talking time. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 485.65 487 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 487 489.48 Get talk time I think it's called at the moment, something like that, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 489.73 490.05 Good. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 488.68 489.73 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 491.78 492.43 Yeah, I mean 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 499.65 500.04 Okay, right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 498.5 499.65 Okay, I see. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 497.57 498.5 Oh, I see. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 492.24 497.23 So each time are you going straight to the X. M. L. files for for the information or right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 497.23 497.57 Oh well. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 506.71 509.93 And then it's just each method object's got a return bunch of return methods. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 511.16 513.05 It's got a load method. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 520.52 523.55 And then um if you call a null constructor 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 497.13 501.4 It processes a whole lot off-line and stores it as an object, and then they're much much smaller. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 528.04 528.79 Go through a list. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 509.93 511.16 You have to g re-create the object. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 523.55 528.04 then you pr call load and you can call load and whatever one or all of them or anything like that. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 501.4 505.61 They're only like a one um one thou one K. . 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 513.05 517.69 So what you do is you call a null constructor, 'cause if you call the th proper constructor for each meeting 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 517.69 520.52 it goes off and does all the processing and stores own object. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 495.71 497.13 No, it's stored as an object file. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 505.61 506.71 Yeah, it's all pre-processed. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 508.13 509.1 Right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 512.27 513.09 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 510.55 512.27 Right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 504.22 506.63 So it's all just pre-processed and just okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 506.63 508.13 Thanks. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 502.58 504.22 Right, okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 509.1 510.55 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 513.09 513.45 That's cool. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 519.59 520.44 Yeah, right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 526.49 528.11 Right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 528.11 531.16 Is this is it for the entire corpus? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 531.16 534.76 Or is it just like individual ones, like t one fi one object for okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 534.76 535.4 That's nice. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 536.86 537.04 Alright. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 535.4 536.86 Oh, each meeting, okay. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 531.32 531.46 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 533.97 536.33 One object for each meeting. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 536.33 536.83 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 536.83 538.12 Although yeah, yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 538.12 539.41 Although you c 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 541.32 543.24 Well, yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 543.24 543.55 No. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 543.85 544.32 Just 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 543.55 543.85 No no. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 539.19 541.32 Wonder if that would be useful for some of the other stuff we're doing. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 545.61 551.44 At the moment it tells you who participated and the amount they participated in percentages, and in time as well. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 543.24 543.55 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 543.55 545.61 It's just tell it tells you who participated. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 548.71 549.11 Right, okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 550.49 550.84 Okay. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 551.28 554.76 Can you put in there what topic was spoken about as well? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 554.76 558.29 Then I could use that for the for the topic pop up window. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 553.91 555.74 Yeah yeah, that'll be pro that'd be easy, yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 555.02 555.25 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 558.45 558.72 Alright. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 559.03 560.71 Yeah, if that won't be too difficult. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 560.71 564.35 But that would be that would cause a problem with anything that wasn't annotated for topics. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 560.75 561.13 That'd be r 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 565.41 566.07 That wasn't what? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 566.09 570.22 Or just return a null or a blank or a blank string or something, yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 570.22 571.09 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 577.1 577.36 But 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 567.52 567.95 Oh yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 573.73 577.1 The um a lot of people don't get their own ch and other stuff. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 567.95 571.41 No, topic specified, yeah have a default, yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 571.41 573.73 There are some there are some default actually. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 571.47 571.71 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 574.34 574.58 Hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 575.92 576.14 Alright. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 576.65 577.3 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 577.3 580.78 Because at the moment if you right-click on a topic window on one of the topics 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 587.47 588.1 So 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 580.78 587.47 you have the option of pop popping open a window which gives you a list of all the meetings containing that topic. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 586.84 587.19 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 595.79 602.1 they can load each o all of the whole lot up and do a search of the whole lot to find who by who and what problem or what topics were in what. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 590.29 593.46 And then you could do a search over the meetings over the objects. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 593.46 595.79 'Cause that's the thing, these these are so small 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 589.24 590.29 Y oh yeah, that wouldn't be a problem. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 588.62 589.02 Okay. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 589.02 589.24 Right. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 602.1 603.21 So it doesn't crash the thing. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 598.8 599.04 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 600.36 601.47 Right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 602.08 602.58 It's a good idea. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 599.48 600.36 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 601.47 602.08 Okay. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 600.57 600.83 Yep. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 606.22 610.42 Would you do the summarisation as you populate it? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 610.42 612.59 You know, just yeah, for the global 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 603.66 606.22 So how how would you d how would you calculate that? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 610.27 613.53 What the global statistics come straight off of that, don't they. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 613.53 615.62 'Cause they're just for the meter met th the 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 615.53 620.05 Oh right, so oh, so that that is all sta stored together. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 620.05 621.72 Oh right, okay. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 621.72 622.1 Okay. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 618.22 622.25 The speaker class knows about all of that stuff, and the meeting class knows about that stuff. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 625.65 626.09 Um 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 627.08 630.54 So have you done these yet, the no. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 630.54 632.76 Mm just gotta decide on what we wanna 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 625.67 627.08 Sounds good. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 628.58 630.16 No no, but I don't think that'll be too difficult. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 635.28 638.05 I thought the other stuff was more important anyway, so I did that first. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 632.89 635.28 What we want, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 639.48 645.94 So it's all all usable now, can I do it tonight? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 638 639.48 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 635.27 638 Um Yeah, definitely. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 638.33 638.61 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 652.72 653.98 And I haven't quite finished it. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 653.98 654.3 So 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 648.38 652.72 it the object's serial numbers change and you can't re-load the object, so all the processing has to be done over again. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 642.79 648.38 Mm no, design the GUI first, and uh 'cause it it w the problem is if you change the classes,
EN2002c H03 MEE073 645.51 646.94 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 655.42 655.69 Hmm. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 656.05 659.49 It would become out of synch and get a bit funny. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 667.87 672.93 And you'd have to and then you'd have a v multiple copies of objects all over the place and it'd get silly, I think. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 659.49 662.89 If I gave you one if I gave you it one and you worked on it,
EN2002c H02 MEE071 662.89 667.87 and then I changed it and run the thing again, you wouldn't ever be able to load the objects back up. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 665.01 665.14 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 666.67 667.22 Oh, I see. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 667.22 667.36 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 673.08 676.48 Well, let me know when when it's sort of usable. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 676.48 677.1 Or at least 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 672.25 673.08 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 685.69 688.6 'Cause that doesn't Okay. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 684.59 685.69 The text box. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 676.37 682.65 But if you can if you wanna make the picture c you can do that without anything, I'm presuming. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 682.65 684.59 Ju just the That, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 681.38 682.32 What do you mean, a picture? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 686.07 687.83 I mean it's m yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 682.32 686.07 Do you mean just the yeah, but it's not gonna take very long. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 684.52 684.74 'Kay. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 691.1 694.2 Well it won't take very long to get it all finished. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 694.2 697.66 But I think I'll need to have done all of this stuff too first. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 690.74 691.1 Alright. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 697.66 699.24 'Cause otherwise the objects won't be the same. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 697.18 697.47 Mm. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 699.88 700.11 Hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 700.09 700.39 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 704.52 706.95 Is that stored in the uh 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 702.72 703.86 Sounds good. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 703.86 704.52 So where is that? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 706.56 707.93 No, it's on my home directory. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 708.98 711.35 On your home directory, not in the okay. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 710.77 712.12 No, I haven't global yet. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 710.15 710.77 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 712.12 714.34 When it's finished up global, otherwise it would get confusing. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 711.52 711.69 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 713.06 713.22 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 714.3 714.84 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 722.4 725.66 So it's two lines of code. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 714.84 719.09 Actually I can up-load my stuff as well, I just have to make one change to your file. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 719.09 722.4 Just to load this one instead of the the default. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 725.66 726.01 So 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 714.68 715.2 Sounds good. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 721.91 722.25 Alright. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 732.06 733.2 If you wanna change my code. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 725.63 732.06 Well, are you wanting to write that in directly or what what do you wanna do with that? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 725.14 725.63 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 730.7 731.63 Um what do you mean? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 733.36 736.98 Well yeah, just the one thing that's like the action for loading up the search thing. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 740.28 741.21 Or yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 735.52 740.28 You're yeah, but are you do you wanna change that m the original M. browser file then? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 740.58 741.14 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 744.27 746.93 I did in my directory, just uh just do that, yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 741.14 743.11 Well your version, yeah, yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 743.92 744.27 No. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 743.11 743.92 Yes. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 743.56 743.98 Or 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 742.88 743.56 Have you done that now? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 745.68 748.31 Oh, okay, so not the actual one but a copy of it. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 759.06 759.31 Right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 752.45 759.06 But I will yeah, I was going to update that one just 'cause yeah, it just makes sense that then you then you can test out yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 748.76 751.76 Um I have a copy, yes. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 751.76 752.45 I'm yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 751.46 752.69 Okay, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 752.69 753.11 No, I just 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 756.9 758.18 Well just just tell me when 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 758.18 766.25 because I usually I usually work on my own copy for for the day and then update it without checking if th if the one in the one in the shared one has changed. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 766.25 767.83 So Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 761.14 763 Right, yeah, and then update. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 763 763.1 Yep. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 767.44 769.02 So yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 769.02 771.02 Um yeah, I'll just make that one and I'll let you know. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 764.98 765.47 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 765.47 767.44 Yeah, I haven't I haven't made any changes to it yet. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 772.08 772.83 Yeah, let me know. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 775.97 781.32 So, anyways um and then you can play. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 782.33 786.25 But Have to get better results, like better presented. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 773.11 775.97 'Cause yeah, like I say, two lines of code, if that. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 781.32 782.33 There's not much to do yet. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 775.24 775.5 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 778.13 778.4 Cool. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 785.79 789.92 So is that what you're working on now then, to in to rip to present the results nice overall? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 795.43 801.15 So um yeah, that's pr Well, also yeah, like that, that as well. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 808.74 813.04 So It goes in and highlights, 'cause that's I know. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 789.38 795.43 Yeah, and just um to wire in the the topics and uh summaries. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 802.97 808.74 just wanna find out what kind of objects those were that um for the other ones. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 788.18 789.38 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 802.11 802.97 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 801.15 802.11 So yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 798.93 799.2 Or 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 797.26 798.93 You mean the hi highlighting stuff? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 828.47 834.07 They've got like user highlights, um selection highlights, time highlights and 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 813.52 822.92 Actually for um um for an N. text area, whatever it is, um they they defined some ha handy highlights on that. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 811.59 813.52 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 822.92 824.43 So you've got different different highlights. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 824.43 828.47 You've got just look at the the what they wrote about it. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 817.73 817.93 Hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 823.26 823.59 Oh yeah? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 835.64 836.48 something else. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 845.5 846.15 Something like that. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 838.66 845.5 So you can quite easily if your text area is called area, you just do area dot set highlights or something, you know. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 845.21 845.69 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 847.8 848.17 Right. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 849.03 854.17 That's the way I did it to to highlight, to cross-highlight between topic and then transcripts. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 850.62 850.95 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 855.93 856.81 Okay, sounds good. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 856.47 856.85 Sorta thing. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 868.2 871.7 Like I'm just wondering, have you had to well the way you're doi I was gonna ask if the way you were doing it,
EN2002c H03 MEE073 875.88 882.89 So you don't need to just uh 'cause if we're if we do have t like if the inverted search says that there's, you know,
EN2002c H03 MEE073 882.89 890.01 ten documents, are we gonna have to load each of these ten corp corpora just to um do the individual next uh N. X. T. search? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 871.7 875.88 you were loading like a new corpus each time for each meeting, but you're doing the objects. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 865.48 868.2 um then that's gonna be kind of fun. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 858.92 865.48 Um so yeah, just a few more things to do with that and then uh once Pernilla gets the uh the index 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 918.01 918.84 Otherwise it goes oh no. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 903.05 905.83 But it can't do them it can't do them if it thinks one 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 900.63 903.05 it can do that fine. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 918.84 925.82 It talks to me, yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 925.82 933.26 Say nice machine, it goes 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 905.83 911.42 'cause then it's about the amount that each if you you have to kinda call a new class and then it will do it fine,
EN2002c H02 MEE071 911.42 918.01 but if you don't then it won't l Yeah, it says okay, oh yeah, I've got all this space, you can use some. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 894.44 900.63 It it's a bit dumb, if you can fool it, if you c if you c load up ten different si engines simultaneously 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 890.41 894.44 That way it doesn't crash if you try and load all ten in one it crashes, doesn't it. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 893.8 895.33 Yeah, I think probably, yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 903.73 904.06 That's a 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 901.5 903.73 Are you serious? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 902.39 904.31 Really? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 904.31 904.76 Really? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 908.6 912.94 Yeah, okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 914.08 914.85 'Kay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 912.94 914.08 That's insane. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 921.96 927.83 Does it talk to you now, does it? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 939.49 942.39 The windows are all there now after lots of fiddling. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 937.64 939.49 So I can feel that in now. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 927.83 929.12 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 911.33 914.66 Oh yeah, allocates more dat more room or whatever. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 929.12 931.9 Spent too much time in front of it, I think. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 931.9 932.87 Mm. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 914.66 921.96 More memory. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 932.87 937.64 Right, well I've been uh I've been doing some random pop-up windows for the speaker characterisation, which is good. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 920.49 920.94 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 917.38 920.49 Right, okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 937.95 938.98 Oh yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 938.98 939.25 Okay. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 943.51 944.24 Okay, cool. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 942.76 943.51 Oh, they're done, are they? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 976.25 983.98 And I have uh a question about the we said we wanted a start screen. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 983.98 986.86 What kind of start screen do we want? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 986.86 999.1 I mean do we want some general blurb about welcome to the browser or something? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 958.52 976.25 because there's there might be ten speakers that all have to have different mee windows and Um and I'm working on when you click on a topic to see a list of the of the topics of of of the meetings that that topic was mentioned in. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 948.3 958.52 Because um it it m basically has to set up um like whatever ten pop-up windows in memory, as in already initialize them 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 999.1 1001.94 Some animation dancing on. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 944.47 948.3 Well, you know, just the pop uh pop-up window was difficult enough. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 946.45 946.93 They pop up. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 946.93 947.53 Uh yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 960.59 962 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 962 962.33 Oh. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 975 975.35 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 982.53 982.84 Hmm. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 990.83 994.38 Welcome to the L. S. N. L. S. D. browser. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1000.82 1001.07 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1001.07 1001.49 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 994.38 1000.82 Some some some speech and some music, some drum rolls. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1001.49 1007.33 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1001.54 1005.9 Just we have to yeah, while we're debugging we'll probably be getting sick of it. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 999.59 1001.54 It doesn't take too long, no. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 991.12 997.25 Or just or is it more like right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1009.87 1010.11 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 997.25 999.59 Oh right, yeah, exactly. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1005.9 1009.87 Um but no, or something that just sort of guides them to the most obvious things. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1009.3 1010.16 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1010.16 1018.19 So do we want yeah, maybe we could write an on like the whatever it's called, the the top of the window saying welcome to the meeting browser. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1018.66 1018.9 Right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1017.6 1018.66 Hmm. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1023.81 1027.17 Load me a meeting, load me a search, load me something else. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1027.17 1027.97 Whistle a tune. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1018.48 1019.25 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1019.25 1023.81 Or a switch-board that comes up that's just a blank form like that with some buttons on. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1023.06 1023.31 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1026.29 1026.58 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1030.36 1035.96 M I mean at the moment the way it is it's uh it's a drop down menu, as you've seen 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1028.24 1030.36 Yeah, but how? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1035.96 1043.8 um with all the and that because it's it's the dialogue class that you use there. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1034.4 1035.44 Yeah, right. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1035.08 1035.53 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1037.83 1039.49 Mm should mm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1049.05 1052.39 I guess if they're doing a search on the entire, yeah, corpus. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1045.15 1049.05 I was just gonna ask if we should assume that they all wanna load a meeting first, but not necessarily. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1044.59 1045.15 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1051.97 1058.14 I mean I think they should have two options, either load up a meeting that they choose or do a search. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1058.14 1061.46 And through that, once you've got the results, you click on something and that loads up the first 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1051.45 1051.97 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1057.65 1058.92 Yeah, that kinda makes sense. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1057.94 1059.45 Hmm. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1059.45 1061.73 I that's cheaper than X. T. search. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1061.73 1065.36 It would need you to have a meeting loaded before it will start doing any searching at all, doesn't it? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1064.86 1065.55 Right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1065.55 1067.92 Well we can put the logic in a, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1066.41 1066.81 Does it? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1065.24 1066.41 Oh. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1066.81 1067.26 Oh. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1067.74 1072.96 You can't the the only thing you can search is a NITE object model, and the only time you get one of those if you've loaded an observation. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1068.46 1069.86 Oh ju just bec mm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1072.7 1077.14 I could probably even that s shouldn't be too hard to put a check in there. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1077.14 1078.84 And if it hasn't loaded then force him to load one. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1073.59 1074.48 Oh. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1079.42 1089.22 which we but doesn't that way c you cou you could use the inverted file search to return a list of of meetings and then use one of those to load a search. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1079.16 1079.42 Yeah 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1089.22 1090.64 But you won't 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1088 1088.29 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1090.93 1093.56 Can you not get this nom object um 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1100.8 1106.75 The engine there's only one there's only one search method to the search engine. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1093.68 1097.43 It has to be an observation, and even if you go and se you can go and search the whole corpus from that 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1106.75 1108.86 Uh the engine class only has one search method. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1097.43 1100.8 but you have to have it has to start with something for some bizarre reason. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1102.48 1102.73 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1105.57 1105.83 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1104.85 1105.57 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1112.39 1115.97 because we don't wanna search um locally, we wanna search globally. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1115.97 1117.99 So d so let's say 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1108.08 1112.39 I suppose we wouldn't wanna use yeah, we yeah, we wouldn't wanna use N. X. T. at the beginning anyway,
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1114.83 1115.96 Yeah, yeah, globally, yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1119.38 1120.83 Well yeah, it's hard to 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1117.23 1119.38 Unless they know what meeting it is. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1119.48 1119.74 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1120.36 1123.9 Well no, then they would open the meeting first, right? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1123.9 1130.79 So let's say they have two options, either pick one meeting or search globally to find a meeting that they like. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1122.75 1123.02 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1122.76 1123.01 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1131.17 1131.47 Yep. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1135.46 1141.27 Or well the things they may n just be looking for a word or whate you know, like and if it shows up ten different meetings 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1135.08 1135.46 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1148.68 1149.78 I mean then they have to go through the 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1141.27 1148.68 then at that point they'll probably wanna like we do we want to like if it dumped by default goes with the first one and they want number five of the ones that are returned 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1143.34 1143.64 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1149.8 1151.06 No, but why do we want default? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1151.06 1152.22 I mean just you know. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1151.84 1154.31 Well no, t like to load up Like the thing is that I think 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1174.56 1178.35 I mean before you do a search at all on this. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1155.8 1160.03 Uh like when it loads up it'll load up the transcript window and the, whatever, other window. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1178.76 1179.53 Okay, right, yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1178.35 1178.76 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1162.06 1168.26 Um Although the time is probably more um caused by loading the actual data. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1168.26 1174.56 So I'm just thinking if it's kinda like you were saying, you have to have a nom object, right? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1179.53 1180.07 That's true, yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1160.03 1162.06 Right now I think just the topic ones. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1178.66 1181.49 We can't do global search without anything. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1181.49 1182.01 Pretty much. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1177.1 1178.66 Yeah, but local search. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1182.93 1184.86 You can load a dumb one up that doesn't have any 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1181.31 1182.93 It doesn't take long to load up anyway. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1184.53 1188.25 Yeah, but the okay, the global one feeds into the local. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1188.25 1193.18 Um so if we're getting any usable data it's it's gonna be doing a search on each of those files. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1193.18 1196.64 So it's gonna be loading up each of those one at a time to get the data that we wanna 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1189.03 1190.72 Yeah, I mean the local 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1194.39 1195.72 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1195.72 1203.92 But yeah, the the global um inverted file search gives the nom objects basically to the local search, right? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1203.72 1204.33 Exactly, yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1204.28 1204.7 Right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1204.7 1208.96 But it's it could be time consuming, like if there are ten documents that hit with this thing, then 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1207.72 1209.79 Well yeah, th that's always gonna be the case with search. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1210.3 1210.92 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1210.92 1212.55 But only gives one at a time anyway, doesn't it? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1212.55 1213.88 'Cause otherwise you'll crash the thing. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1210.59 1210.75 Oh. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1230.43 1235.39 if uh if it's trying to show us where those were, if it's trying to highlight those in the text, transcript or whatever. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1214.24 1217.43 Um yeah, well I'm j just thinking of some way we could, you know 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1223.17 1230.43 But the thing is I mean if we've got that, then it's gonna be needing really really to load the entire corpus for that meeting,
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1217.43 1223.17 st cash the results and in a nice little format that'll make things a bit easier. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1252.72 1253.38 Okay, right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1237.75 1240.48 So each time when we have a she search window and we have like, you know,
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1235.39 1237.75 And we're gonna have to have all that other data in there. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1243.07 1246.88 go to meeting one, then it has to reload the nom object. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1246.88 1248.36 Next one. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1248.36 1252.72 I mean that's gonna that could be yeah? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1240.48 1243.07 ten different meetings, you know, with the word wireless comes up,
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1249.92 1251.39 It's not too slow though, that thing. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1251.39 1253.28 It shouldn't it's not it's not too bad on that. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1249.53 1249.92 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1253.28 1255.23 I don't think that will be a much of a problem. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1263.92 1269.75 But So um so just sorta based on that as a yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1255.39 1260.76 It always seems to be slow loading up the first time at least, like that's all I I've been doing lately is just sort of loading it up,
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1269.75 1274.64 But uh if it doesn't take that long each time, then that should be f alright. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1260.76 1263.92 test it, try something else and then shut down, load it up. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1258.66 1259.36 Yeah yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1259.55 1259.93 Mm. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1265.13 1265.63 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1296.71 1301.37 And then you can decide well I wanna search on this and this and this meeting, or only on this meeting, or 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1285.25 1292.36 as in they're not even the meetings but the name of the meetings, so you know, say you wanna search for the word language 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1282.57 1285.25 first as a first step, and you return the meetings,
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1292.36 1296.71 then it gives you as a result all the meetings that contain the word language. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1275.54 1282.57 I mean you can uh you know, the option is to do a search in the way that you d if you do a global search,
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1281.36 1281.6 Hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1287.41 1287.74 Yeah, right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1286.26 1287.41 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1295.78 1296.22 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1298.93 1299.73 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1299.73 1300.06 That's true. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1302.14 1302.71 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1308.17 1309.21 When it needs to be loaded. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1302.71 1308.17 Ma make it strings for as long as possible, and then only return the things when they actually needs to has to search. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1302.15 1302.84 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1302.84 1303.13 That 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1305.34 1305.68 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1318.8 1321.8 So yeah, or they could check mark against the ones they wanna check. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1310.6 1314.06 And that way if they know specifically which meaning it is then that'll save the time. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1308.24 1310.6 Yeah, that makes sense. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1314.06 1318.8 Because I'm sure they don't wanna have the extra loading time either if they could avoid it. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1321.8 1322.1 So 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1312.68 1313.05 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1313.99 1314.28 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1317.16 1317.54 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1318.46 1319.17 Definitely, yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1319.11 1319.31 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1322.45 1324.71 Did we think about um 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1326.81 1328.24 better names for the meetings? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1331.08 1338.38 We can probably do that ourselves and just sort of B. D. B., you know, just do a a string. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1329.88 1331.08 Well I think they were in the text. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1345.02 1351.59 Even w one of them is yeah, one of them is even even better understanding or something. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1353.28 1355.4 I love that. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1334.84 1345.02 There is um yeah, in the in in one of the papers they have m um names, such as um better understanding or whatever. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1352.96 1353.28 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1351.59 1352.96 I I love that. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1342.78 1344.41 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1340.88 1342.78 Yeah, the long names. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1346.49 1347.67 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1344.41 1346.49 Like the the working group that it's part of. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1347.67 1349.02 That probably even might have a. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1341.97 1343.54 Oh do they do they re-translate them? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1346.66 1347.93 Okay, well that's alright then. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1347.93 1348.75 We'll just use that then. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1346.07 1346.66 Do they? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1350.52 1351.27 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1353.32 1358.52 I wanna see the meetings about even better understanding. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1350.77 1353.05 Well that's what's the that's the working group, is it? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1353.05 1353.32 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1353.09 1353.94 Yeah, right. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1357.34 1359.23 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1359.23 1359.48 Yep. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1359.99 1361.07 See if it's accurate. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1361.3 1363.76 So I've yeah, I've put that in already to 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1364.33 1365.56 Okay, that's cool, that's good. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1365.13 1365.62 Sort of. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1367.97 1373.61 So yeah, again concretely to the start-up start-up um libraries window. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1376.16 1376.64 Um 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1380.33 1383.14 So who would the the um I. D. F. s? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1385.21 1387.64 The document frequencies for each word in the corpus. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1383.14 1385.21 I mean the D. F. s. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1386.87 1387.99 Well, can I 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1387.12 1390.19 Um do we actually need the uh the frequencies? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1390.58 1393.44 Yeah, to do um what Steve's talking about you do. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1393.44 1395.09 To do the topic labelling. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1392.95 1393.15 Yeah? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1394.8 1395.54 Oh right, that. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1395.74 1396.34 Yeah, okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1396.34 1396.58 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1395.54 1395.74 Right. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1397.48 1400.9 I mean do you think you would have have time for that as well? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1396.54 1397.48 Yeah, how is that? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1401.6 1404.36 Well thing is if it's being done, there were there was 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1402.43 1407.9 If somebody's done the keywords or the the g I. D. F. s or the D. F. s already would. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1407.55 1410.96 There's a @'s trying to get uh to work on Friday. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1417.29 1422.05 Um but it had sort of all that standard sort of stuff, but it w it last I heard it wasn't working. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1410.96 1417.29 Um they did have all that and it was sorta built in and just uh had some trouble getting it running properly. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1406.51 1407.55 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1428.25 1431.25 But if we need the if we do need the frequencies, then 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1422.05 1428.25 So She was gonna look at, you know, more straight-forward sorta thing that really just fulfils what we need it to do. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1430.73 1433.04 Can't you do any better for our search without the T. F. I. D. F. ? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1433.68 1434.67 Um I don't know. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1440.32 1442.73 It's the amount that they occur over documents. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1442.73 1450.3 Basically, the amount they D. F. is the document frequency is the amount that each word occurs um no, what is it? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1450.3 1461.88 Term frequency is the amount that that it occurs in ea one of them is the amount it occurs in each document and the other one is the amount it g occurs generally. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1435.03 1440.32 I think you need to. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1461.88 1469.38 So if you so the more it occurs in specific documents, compared compared to its general score, the bet more informative it is about a certain 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1437.84 1440.54 Um well it was would've been like a list of 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1438.3 1440.3 Wha what does T. F. I. D. F. stand for? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1443.89 1444.52 What's it stand for? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1446.36 1446.47 Hmm. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1463.14 1463.5 Okay. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1462.39 1463.14 Oh. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1465.28 1465.68 Mm. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1465.33 1466.83 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1466.83 1467.11 Ah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1474.26 1475.43 Okay. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1476.21 1479.31 Well, you know, you can you might have some general frequencies. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1468.83 1474.26 So the general score, would that be a um for the whole of the language or the for all the whole of the corpus? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1475.43 1476.21 Okay. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1477.17 1477.75 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1477.75 1479.37 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1479.37 1485.48 But plus a stop list, so you remove stuff that doesn't ta it like yeah, and then the, which is gonna a a prob basically equal score. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1476.22 1477.17 No. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1473.03 1476.08 The corpus, the corpus, still data. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1476.08 1476.22 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1475.33 1478.25 So yeah, the probably probably term frequency. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1478.25 1481.87 Yeah, so the general one is pr yeah, yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1473.53 1475.33 Well the corpus yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1481.52 1482.72 Oh, I see. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1484.69 1484.85 Right. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1485.71 1490.86 So what would the if we had the these fake topics, what what would the what would they look like? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1492.96 1495.07 Just a list of like three words or something. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1490.86 1492.96 A bunch. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1487.43 1488.1 Or a massive 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1492.12 1494.16 That'd probably be easiest thing. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1499.64 1501.87 Yeah, term frequency inverse document frequency. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1495.07 1498.38 Yeah, key-words, three f three, five words. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1489.64 1492.12 Bunch of key-words. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1494.16 1495.07 Key-words. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1498.38 1499.64 In both documents. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1496.32 1499.22 Actually what's the I. in T. F. I. D. F. ? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1499.65 1500.08 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1499.22 1499.65 Really? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1504.29 1508.23 I did do it once, I do have a Java class that does it for something, I don't know whether it'll work with this. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1508.23 1508.48 But 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1506.68 1506.9 Oh yeah? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1517.21 1519.46 'Cause if you just have the segmentation, that's great,
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1507.79 1508.92 Alright. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1508.92 1517.21 Because that would be really handy then, we can actually test it on the user, as opposed to just doing it and not using it. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1519.46 1526.12 but we can't we can't compare it to the to the uh hand annotated, you know, the hand segmented tool. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1508.55 1508.83 Alright. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1515.62 1516.01 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1520.32 1520.67 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1524.82 1525.13 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1534.54 1540.48 Instead uh it would just search for key-words when it when they you tell him that with topics, but actually get searching with key-words. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1531.09 1534.54 But you could do key-word search could be topic search, can they can be the same thing. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1527.22 1530.01 also key-words gives you a a whole new type of search. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1526.6 1527.22 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1530.01 1531.09 You do keyword search. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1527.18 1527.37 Uh-huh 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1542.03 1543.15 For each do you see what I mean? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1542.24 1543.66 Hmm. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1543.66 1543.95 Mm. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1546.4 1546.82 Hmm. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1548.48 1549.29 Yeah, that would work. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1549.29 1550 That'd be really nice. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1562.22 1571.89 The easy bit is it's probably the easiest to calculate them based upon in their whole occurrences in i in the corpus than it is to calculate them per topic 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1553.41 1562.22 But I suppose even calculating the the w the the what's-its-faces themselves would be too much too long. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1571.89 1576.24 'cause you don't have to integrate as much information. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1573.47 1574.97 Mm, yeah, yeah, definitely. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1574.37 1574.64 Right. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1579.73 1583.59 No, you can do you can do search without T. F. I. D. F., you just can't rank the search. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1584.68 1585.25 Oh yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1585.25 1587.12 Well do we need to? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1590.14 1591.11 For topic with 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1587.12 1590.14 I mean we're just looking oh, for for your s for your stuff I guess, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1585.04 1587.55 Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1587.55 1588.66 Well, do we want to? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1588.66 1589.46 Do we want to? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1589.7 1594.94 No no no, but that's what isn't that what the idea was in the first place to rank these rank the results so that 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1587.16 1589.7 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1594.88 1599.09 Sort of, but then the main idea was more like to to speed it up, speed the search up 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1599.09 1603.55 because N. X. T. over the over the whole of the corpus was just not feasible. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1603.55 1604.4 But it would be 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1595.83 1596.22 Um 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1600.62 1600.92 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1604.88 1606 Ranking it won't slow it down. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1602.64 1604.88 Yeah, but that won't slow it down. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1602.82 1603.04 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1607.37 1610.85 No, but the general inverted file. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1610.85 1611.77 Oh, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1614.02 1615.33 That would just be a nice extra. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1611.77 1614.02 Yeah yeah yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1611.07 1616.04 It still uses an inverted file, but it ranks the results by the amount by the higher yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1610.68 1611.07 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1616.04 1618.18 I thought that was part of it, but yeah, okay, it doesn't matter if it's not. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1623.22 1624.64 It's true. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1624.64 1626.31 So what, it's only interim. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1622.09 1623.22 True. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1618.26 1622.09 Yeah, I I wasn't sure if it was or not. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1627.18 1627.46 I know. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1619.82 1625.91 I don't think we had that in the the document. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1625.91 1626.49 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1619.36 1619.82 Hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1626.49 1627.18 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1620.14 1620.61 Um 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1622.42 1627.1 No, we did Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1629.77 1633.92 But yeah, I guess uh if you do if if that's not part of it, don't worry about it, it doesn't 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1630 1630.19 Hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1637.64 1637.84 Right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1635.04 1636.48 Yeah, b nice to have. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1633.65 1635.04 Right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1636.48 1637.64 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1633.67 1635.66 Yeah, I mean if you have time. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1641.55 1646.59 it would give you the the meetings, but also how often the w that word occurred in that meeting. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1635.66 1637.98 Do that as well, that'd be really nice, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1637.98 1641.55 'Cause I mean then then it would give you like if you searched for a word,
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1648.87 1649.44 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1649.44 1649.98 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1646.59 1648.87 That would be so useful. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1637.5 1637.9 So 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1635.61 1637.5 'Cause I'm only gonna do this if I've got time anyway. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1646.84 1647.26 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1648.13 1652.82 It would that was the whole point was to if you say, this is your top one, this is your bottom. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1647.26 1648.13 Well it'd just give you a rank. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1649.6 1650.13 Well I don't know. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1648.18 1649.6 Mm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1653.5 1658.97 But th um the thing is we're just looking for when it happens in a meeting, if they're looking for particular term or something,
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1658.97 1663.17 they just wanna know if that term exists there and where does it exist and I wanna see it, you know. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1650.13 1653.5 Actually 'cause the thing is I mean typically yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1652.87 1653.37 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1667.21 1667.56 So 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1664.92 1667.21 That T. F. I. D. F. is an informative score, isn't it. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1662.34 1662.95 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1662.95 1664.92 But say but it's How how informative? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1662.54 1666.91 Yeah, but it would be useful if you yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1666.91 1671.33 You know, you c if you have a if if you search for language and you return like, you know,
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1671.33 1676.54 basically all of the meetings, you wanna see where they actually spoke about it and where they just mentioned it once. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1667.09 1667.27 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1672.35 1672.62 'Kay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1692.8 1694.46 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1681.86 1685.29 It's not a compound noun, it's just two words together. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1685.29 1688.14 Um in f I don't know. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1689.24 1692.8 Just something like uh Edinburgh University. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1694.46 1696.75 Well, essentially, I don't know. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1698.03 1698.43 You know. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1688.14 1689.24 I don't know. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1675.71 1681.86 But if it's like a two word term, does the T. F. I. D. F. handle that? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1696.75 1698.03 Or sunny day. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1679.59 1682.3 Depends how you treat your compound nouns. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1680.99 1681.46 Ah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1684.16 1685.25 like what? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1690.68 1691.5 Language and 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1694.12 1698.92 Uh Sunny day, yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1700.33 1701.07 Um 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1698.92 1700.33 And like an adjective, yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1693.08 1694.12 As a compound noun. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1699.64 1700.03 alright. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1696.07 1699.64 No, just like Edinburgh and language. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1703.03 1707.74 in its most simple form it would do a separate rank for each one, each term. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1707.74 1711.63 You could make it more complicated and make it do for th for the yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1707.51 1707.73 Hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1713.85 1717.39 Because the thing is the thing is that the way we were doing it we were just looking for the words,
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1721.93 1725.08 And then then it's just saying were these two words in in any of these documents 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1720.55 1721.93 Well that's way we were thinking about it. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1717.39 1720.55 period, each word in the um in the index. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1712.22 1713.85 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1725.08 1732.38 and then if it was then we go closer and do the the N. X. T. search uh to look for the exact term or the regular expression or whatever. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1709.22 1712.22 Let's not make it more complicated. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1714.13 1715.47 How would you combine them, that's the question. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1713.47 1714.13 Or what? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1711.03 1713.47 And then and then ad add those up or something. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1714.08 1715.23 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1715.23 1717.1 You can just add 'em up, or you can 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1721.33 1722.83 Yeah, you don't wanna start looking for bo 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1720.42 1721.33 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1729.14 1729.85 Um 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1728.47 1729.14 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1744.08 1747.74 and the higher the more uh more informative each term is for each thing would give you a 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1732.24 1740.08 I guess you just do a sum of the um of the the individual T. F. I. D. F. for each term returned,
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1740.08 1744.08 and that generally will be a bit crude, but it will give you a d score 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1740.26 1740.53 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1748.27 1748.48 Right. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1749.57 1750.23 a thing. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1750.23 1752.28 It's pretty crude anyway, but it's just looking for um 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1764.03 1766.08 But um 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1759.08 1761.37 So mm Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1761.37 1762.67 Yeah, yeah, that's true. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1762.67 1764.03 So yeah, that's less crude isn't it. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1754.14 1759.08 if it's all it's gonna do is look for six separate c oh, 'cause then it's gonna go into the N. X. T. search and return that, isn't it. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1758.56 1759.14 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1761.7 1762.42 So yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1759.14 1761.7 Or we choose the list of meetings that we wanted to search to do that. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1764.13 1764.54 Um 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1766.17 1769.31 Like I'm just wondering if if it's gonna give us something cool, then yeah, absolutely,
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1769.31 1776.52 but if it's sort like if the N. X. T. search has still gotta be run to find these terms or these, you know, these patterns, then uh 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1775.84 1780.53 Yeah, without doing any like um word pairs, which is just omission. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1774.87 1775.84 Groups of terms. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1788.89 1791.92 Not y actually, that's a problem for me too. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1783.33 1788.89 So if you're looking for wireless, wired, wire, blah, blah, blah, you do wire with a star and um no? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1793.24 1793.64 And uh 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1791.92 1793.24 So Or Pernilla. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1779.57 1783.33 Or also like do um wild cards work for something like that? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1788.51 1793.86 Yeah, I don't know how that works. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1802.1 1803.51 I guess it there's lots in the literature. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1813.93 1815.81 Basic information retrieval. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1797.09 1799.4 But then the idea is, that gives you an informative score. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1815.81 1817.29 They've got a big a good chapter on it. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1803.51 1809.8 I if s if you were is there's a lo whole load about it in Manning and Schutz. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1819.28 1820.58 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1799.4 1802.1 How you combine that is is up to you. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1818.89 1819.28 ,4 yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1809.8 1813.93 So They've got a whole chunk about it's so just I. R., isn't this. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1817.29 1818.89 If you haven't got it, it's on Cognate. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1793.86 1797.09 That's how I remem Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1796.83 1798.7 Yeah, 'cause 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1804.67 1805.83 Okay, then I'm just yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1805.83 1806.53 Sure that's not too bad. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1803.29 1804.67 Actually it should work, yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1810.36 1810.57 Oh yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1814.54 1815.3 Oh yeah? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1815.3 1816.46 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1818.8 1823.42 Yeah, I've got uh somewhere P. D. F. . 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1824.95 1825.81 Me too. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1824.21 1824.95 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1825.81 1828.78 Hundreds of P. D. F. s. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1825.91 1828.76 Yeah, what if it's yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1828.76 1831.63 Do the P. D. F. s, switch it to Postscript, switch it back to P. D. F., and then 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1830.97 1832.43 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1835.8 1836.4 Don't know. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1836.4 1838.94 Okay, so that's okay, that might be good. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1841.83 1842.2 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1840.85 1841.83 Alright. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1866.24 1867.81 The users that took part. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1842.87 1850.68 So to come back to the start-up screen I'm I'm I'm I'm very unsure about what that should look like. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1867.81 1871.46 But then that's probably pretty much the same for the same group. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1857.39 1863.39 I mean the u the the longer name obviously, if there is one, 'cause they don't all have a longer name. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1850.68 1857.39 I mean we wanna for the part where you can choose choose the the meeting, what kind of information do you wanna have about the meeting? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1863.39 1866.24 What the users that spoke. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1845.22 1848.19 Oh, I thought we sort of dis you know what I mean. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1845.6 1847.52 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1861.15 1861.36 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1859.16 1861.15 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1868.35 1869.23 Or attended, yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1867.65 1868.35 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1872.58 1877.97 P probably for the most part, I mean there'll be a set of people that do, and then a sub-set for each meeting probably. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1874.63 1875.23 Yeah, I'm not sure. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1879.06 1879.42 'Cause 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1876.27 1879.06 Do you want that on the start-up screen, yeah? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1878.75 1884.43 Yeah, just to give them an idea, general idea what there is and so they can pick a a to um a meeting. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1884.05 1887.59 Search for stuff or start working or No. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1887.59 1891.52 Or or browse okay, like search, browse um 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1886.87 1887.48 Yeah, I guess so. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1887.48 1888.75 Yeah, yeah, I guess that's useful. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1904.01 1904.32 Um 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1893.49 1895.94 Like if you're looking for something speci like, is that what you're thinking? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1900.13 1904.01 and they just wanna go there and see stuff, then they can immediately go and browse that. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1895.94 1900.13 Like if they if they know exactly where they wanna go, they wanna go to, you know, that meeting on December third,
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1900.45 1900.68 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1913.13 1913.58 Look at that. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1902.17 1903.6 Yeah, or w you kn yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1903.6 1911.68 I wanna look at the meeting where so-and-so spoke um of that, you know, sort of some sort of research group. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1911.68 1913.13 I want that first meeting. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1906.84 1907.08 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1911.7 1911.9 Right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1913.84 1914.08 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1939.05 1939.25 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1917.61 1919.72 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1926.79 1930.86 Like if they're looking for particular person, particular working group, particular whatever 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1923.04 1926.79 Like did no, I'm just thinking of different ways we can do that, like different buttons on the top. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1930.86 1936.71 I mean we just uh we could break things down like that to that level of detail if we want. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1936.71 1939.05 Or we could keep a more general. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1919.72 1923.04 Browse by meeting, browse by blah, browse by speaker. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1925.9 1926.24 Oh. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1925.04 1925.9 Oh. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1943.39 1950.69 Because as soon as they've got loaded their first meeting, y they can they can browse through that quite nicely. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1937.61 1939.44 Mm I don't think we need that, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1939.44 1943.39 Because we we just wanna have a way of of yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1956.27 1959.04 What are the range of things that they'd wanna do? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1959.04 1962.65 Like if they're part of X. working group, they'll wanna get in there. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1962.65 1964.81 Um do we wanna save preferences? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1951.77 1956.27 Um yeah, but I'm just thinking like initially, when they load up. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1958.34 1958.65 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1967.08 1967.61 What do you mean? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1967.86 1972.87 Well, if they're part of B. D. B. working group, they're gonna wanna look at the B. D. B. ones and so we'd default to that. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1972.87 1973.84 Or don't know. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1973.78 1975.09 W how how are we gonna know that? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1980.58 1980.85 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1976.1 1980.58 Based on what they did the last time. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1977.55 1979.83 Have a user model. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1980.7 1982.84 You could have a save preferenc preferences, I guess. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1978.8 1980.7 Uh you can have a save preferences. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1983.15 1983.41 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1984.18 1986.89 But that would defy the whole point of browsing, right? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1986.89 1989.79 If you only wanted to look at like five meetings. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1989.79 1996.84 Well you just you just uh you just scroll down the list and find your favourite one. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 1996.84 2002.95 I mean It's not like they come back every day and do the same browsing. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2002.95 2008.98 Let's see what's changed today. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2008.98 2009.39 Mm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1986.89 1990.05 Mm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1999.1 1999.36 Right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1994.24 1999.1 Yeah, okay yeah, that's yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1990.05 1992.8 Yeah, okay, right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 1992.8 1994.24 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1993.38 1994.48 You can have a favourites. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1987.95 1993.38 Well alright, call it favourites then. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 1997.22 2001.05 Yeah, it's not enough information, is it, to. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2044.96 2045.29 You know. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2035.27 2036.3 then do this, blah blah blah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2015.41 2019.12 Like there is just a range of things we could do, we could have like search options, browse options. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2042.71 2043.83 Oh, p perfect. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2019.12 2024.45 I mean just I don't know, just playing around with ideas. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2005.85 2008.49 I forget. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2024.45 2035.27 Um and then we can tie this into our evaluation uh tasks and say well if you want to search for a meeting or search for a user in a particular meeting,
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2004.57 2005.85 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2036.3 2039.68 So we can, yeah, sort of um, you know, guide them. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2045.29 2047.37 I don't know. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2008.49 2009.22 Right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2010.65 2015.41 Well no I'm just getting back to sorta what could be on the the start-up screen. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2043.83 2044.96 You know. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2009.22 2010.65 Um okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2002.39 2004.57 What was that? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2039.68 2042.71 And just like hey, my task is to do this and there's a button for it. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2015.02 2015.61 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2015.11 2015.65 Yeah, yep. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2036.19 2038.67 Oh right, oh okay. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2040.49 2040.83 Well 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2044.33 2047.85 No, that's Um 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2042.19 2044.33 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2043.69 2046.25 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2048.03 2049.56 Yeah, it would be quite good if it has yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2050.23 2057.57 I w I wasn't gonna put any, you know, any any help in there any sort of a explanation of how the browser works, to be honest. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2057.57 2058.64 I wasn't oh right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2075.98 2076.33 So 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2056.82 2058.84 No no, that's not what I'm suggesting. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2065.58 2074.07 just 'cause they don't want people to have to go through all the menus and search themselves and just like do commonly used tasks or just exit and just let me use the programme,
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2074.07 2075.98 you know, as well. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2058.84 2065.58 No, I'm just saying like these are just like a lot of programmes well kind of lame programmes do have that sort of thing first 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2057.19 2060.09 Just a b search buttons, so just 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2070.19 2070.91 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2070.91 2071.39 I see. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2072 2072.33 Mm. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2074.56 2075.92 Yeah yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2075.92 2076.57 Doofus mode. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2076.16 2079.37 But I mean the main thing what you wanna do is to view a meeting, right? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2079.92 2082.11 Probably or search something. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2082.11 2082.37 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2089.9 2092.04 And then another that said search that loaded instantly. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2082.57 2084.41 So if even if it just had two things,
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2095.94 2098.56 Yeah yeah, or one that yeah, or one that 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2084.41 2089.9 just said one sai one said take me straight to this meeting and have a m text-box you can enter it, or a drop down menu. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2094.67 2095.94 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2092.04 2094.67 It loaded up the search screen. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2080.96 2082.57 Or search, yeah, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2082.71 2084.31 S and both of those we have and 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2081.52 2082.71 Yeah, or search, yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2096.91 2097.05 Mm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2091.37 2094.71 Yeah, like find specific meeting. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2094.71 2096.91 You know, that's an easy sort of thing and. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2101.17 2106.15 Basically, either the user wa knows which meeting he wants to look at and he just clicks on it 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2106.15 2110.23 or he doesn't and then he searches for one that sort of looks like 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2098.21 2101.17 Yeah, that uh all happens for the search basically. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2100.94 2101.19 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2108.71 2109.71 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2109.71 2110.77 Fits his criteria. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2110.13 2112.48 Or the other thing to do is just have search as the default. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2114.82 2117.98 And that's the interface, and you just go from there. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2112.48 2114.82 Just it opens and the search window opens. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2109.61 2110.13 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2118.69 2119.28 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2121.21 2125.16 And then that brings up the browser after you f searched for something. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2146.15 2151.64 It's just all here, and here is just go to wherever and a go button. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2144 2146.15 And so this is your search. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2133.48 2135.71 And so the f so the in yeah 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2155.14 2155.41 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2125.16 2133.48 Or or the search but the search window could have on it something that said just has a drop down menu that says just and a go button that said take me to this. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2135.71 2144 so the f only thing that comes up when you're finished is a um when you start it's just one window like that and it's got all the search stuff like down there. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2151.64 2155.14 And then from there it takes you to wherever else you wanna go. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2132.65 2134.15 Oh, I see what you mean. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2134.15 2135.51 Inside the search menu, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2145.27 2145.65 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2153.27 2154.67 Yeah, that's that's what yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2157.04 2160.48 And the other topic says welcome to welcome to our browser. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2175.77 2176.46 So how d how d 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2162.66 2168.11 Um but I'm I'm unsure about how to how to put all the information in there. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2159.17 2160.96 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2168.11 2175.77 Because we need drop-down menu, but we want all the information about the name, the longer name, and the sp and the users. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2160.96 2162.66 Yeah, that looks about right. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2168.13 2169.63 A drop drop-down menu. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2173.44 2176.56 Oh, you wanna have oh yeah, the users. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2175.77 2177.53 Well we don't actually have user names, do we? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2180.5 2180.71 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2177.53 2180.5 Aren't there all these codes like AMI eleven or whatever. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2178.31 2179.42 They're always nonsense, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2178.63 2185.69 No, but the codes I mean at least maybe if they know the codes and in or the to in or the corpus corpi? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2182.63 2182.98 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2184.38 2185.15 Yeah, that's true. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2186.57 2187.89 We don't want them to type them, do we? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2185.19 2186.57 In a case like that we do want drop-down. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2191.05 2192.4 Drop-down is definitely not 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2189.67 2191.05 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2190.79 2191.29 Yeah, it does. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2195.63 2198.65 Okay, you're just looking for one specific speaker, right? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2193.59 2195.25 Um and allow multiple? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2198.65 2198.8 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2191.8 2193.59 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2195.25 2195.63 No. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2197.33 2202.48 This is good, but if you wanna search a search, if you wanna look for one meeting and just look at it, then that's fine. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2211.65 2214.15 Or and you can choose, you can go go for go or go for the other. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2202.48 2207.21 Um that's that's true, that's or unless you have two. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2207.21 2211.65 One one is one one there where you got two, one for meeting, one to speak. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2214.15 2214.77 Go on go for both. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2214.77 2216.37 If you go for both, you're searching 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2200.84 2202.3 Yep, yep. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2202.3 2202.71 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2202.71 2204.56 But then yeah, as I said, how do you do it? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2201.39 2201.77 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2202.51 2202.78 Alright. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2206.19 2206.77 Um 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2210.52 2211.42 Oh for speakers. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2211.42 2211.46 M 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2227.77 2233.44 And then it gives you the longer name, blah, and then it gives you the, you know, the participants. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2221.19 2227.77 but an extended list of the of the meetings, so you know, you have B. D. R., whatever it was called, O. one. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2215.3 2221.19 No no no, I'm not I'm not saying you can you can pick a user, but you should come up with some list,
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2224.23 2224.62 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2233.69 2240.53 We could do Microsoft stylie and hold it over and it pops up a thing. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2269.94 2274.37 wait for it to pop up, hold your mouse on that one, wait for the pop Um 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2253.17 2259.63 Yeah, I'm not sure what th it is that very is that not annoying if you have to hold your m you know,
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2236.37 2238.89 I was thinking that. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2239.59 2241.34 Tool tip. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2249.5 2253.17 I'm very yeah, very keen on that, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2263.86 2269.94 No, but you know, to to search for a u pecif pec specific user, you have to hold your mouse over that one,
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2262.73 2263.86 They do that a lot, don't they? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2241.34 2243.16 But then yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2238.89 2239.59 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2259.63 2262.73 you ha you have t yeah, y yes. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2245.56 2246.92 A tool tip, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2243.16 2245.56 Uh no, it's not at all, I think. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2246.92 2249.5 I've not tried that yet, but I was I was gonna do that. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2236.87 2240.67 Oh. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2240.67 2240.98 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2242.02 2243.02 Is that complicated? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2245.81 2246.15 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2244.92 2245.81 A tool tip. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2250.23 2252.59 Actually in this n Oh let's do that then. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2248.83 2250.23 Mouse over, isn't it, or something. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2258.32 2264.09 You get out of the bloody way, I'm trying to do a search the damn thing. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2260.94 2261.16 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2264.19 2264.43 'Cause 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2270.69 2272.51 Yeah, that's true. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2272.51 2272.78 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2276.91 2279.42 And just you just say I wanna look for this user. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2279.42 2280.29 Go. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2280.29 2281.12 Find me. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2293.67 2295.94 It's not the same as doing a a quick access. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2286.98 2291.92 Maybe just leave it, just have them there, and don't worry about the speakers. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2284.71 2286.98 And then you search then but then you didn't search. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2270.76 2273.67 Yeah, that's true, that's annoying. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2291.92 2293.67 If they're doing speakers, they're doing search. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2281.12 2284.71 Find me, then then then it pulls up a list of all the ones who got that user in it. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2273.67 2276.91 But that's why you could just have a list of your users then. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2292.46 2292.85 Hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2294.4 2294.67 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2296.14 2296.46 Mm. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2308.07 2309.54 Yeah, maybe that's the best idea then. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2298.82 2302.9 It'd just be nice to have some basic information on on each of the meetings. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2298.16 2298.82 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2302.9 2308.07 Yeah, I'm thinking that that updates depending on what you've got highlighted. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2309.54 2314.87 So you've got a drop-down menu, a search a search button not search, go button. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2301.46 2306.59 Or you can have a f text box there that's got yeah, as you go over them. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2301.16 2301.46 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2306.59 2308.21 Then that doesn't get in your in the way. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2309.3 2309.54 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2307.31 2309.3 That's like nice and easy. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2305.48 2307.31 Yeah, just so yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2317.13 2317.88 And then 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2320 2323.66 Some sort of field which updates dynamically depending on what you've got highlighted. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2324.69 2326.17 The full name and then speakers. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2323.89 2324.69 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2327.1 2327.98 Yeah, that sounds good. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2326.36 2327.1 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2330.13 2332.94 We can do all of that without even ever going anywhere near loading up a 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2328.44 2330.13 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2334.65 2335.05 I think. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2336.35 2336.67 I think. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2337.23 2337.69 Oh cool. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2337.69 2339.29 And uh a thing. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2339.29 2340.25 A meeting, a nom. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2340.25 2342.64 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2343.46 2344.96 What does nom actually stand for? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2339.98 2343.46 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2338.78 2339.98 Nom. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2340.25 2341.41 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2341.41 2341.65 Right. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2345.38 2349.56 I think it's in the right object model, but I'm not sure. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2346.09 2348.15 Just yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2351.46 2352.08 Is that what it is? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2352.08 2354.17 Writable corpus or something. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2354.17 2354.42 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2348.15 2351.46 Just but it's I think in that case it's the wr write corpus? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2346.96 2349.3 NITE, oh yes. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2355.08 2357.96 It's the not right corpus and then you got not right elements in it. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2357.96 2361.17 Got not right attributes in 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2351.75 2355.08 No uh yeah, is you're right, it's the right corpus, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2354.35 2355.23 Oh. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2358.92 2359.23 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2357.94 2358.92 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2358.11 2359.71 Oh, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2359.71 2363.58 You've got lots of nom something and then NITE something and then N. something. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2363.58 2365.13 And N. X. T. something and 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2361.91 2363.58 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2363.6 2364.08 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2374.98 2377.73 The A. P. I. is alright, but there's not a lot of description in it. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2370.4 2374.98 Uh 'Cause you go back enough and the um the what's its name is not very good. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2379.59 2381.03 It tells you what 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2377.73 2379.59 It's very crude. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2364.08 2370.4 I think the N. ones are interfaces and the NITE one one of the ways round one's an interface and one's actually an implemented class. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2367.58 2368.69 Oh really? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2368.69 2369.01 Oh. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2369.01 2369.82 Oh. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2370.76 2371 Right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2369.3 2370.76 Oh. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2377.84 2378.23 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2388.98 2391.58 I know it is. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2385.29 2388.36 This is this is uni unintelligible. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2380.62 2385.29 In most of the descriptions are hints to each other saying you've gotta update this, Jonathan. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2378.92 2380.62 No. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2388.36 2388.98 Great. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2395.83 2401.06 It's a implementation of an N. text interface. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2394.8 2395.6 Okay, what's that? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2385.69 2386.33 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2395.6 2395.83 Doh. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2401.69 2411.98 Oh, it's a extended version of a Stop it. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2386.33 2390.98 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2383.73 2385.69 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2390.98 2394.8 So you end up just it saying returns an N. text box. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2401.06 2401.69 What's that? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2389.46 2391.11 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2385.42 2388.62 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2388.62 2389.46 Right. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2396.65 2396.92 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2399.16 2400.31 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2400.31 2401.23 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2399.53 2400.51 Area, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2403.96 2406.35 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2410.21 2412.12 Not very fun. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2412.12 2416.19 Right, so anyone else got anything to say? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2406.35 2407.63 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2407.63 2410.21 Yeah, yep definitely. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2406.38 2409.14 Yeah, drove you crazy. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2409.14 2409.8 Oh God. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2413.38 2413.89 Hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2416.44 2419.21 Um not really, just gonna keep on going. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2421.19 2425.79 Do we yeah, do we want another meeting at the end of the week um with Pernilla? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2426.21 2430.25 Like Friday afternoon or something? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2427.6 2428.69 Might be useful, mightn't it? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2428.6 2430.33 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2430.33 2431.15 Yeah, something like that. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2431.15 2436.12 I mean uh I think I'm gonna do quite a bit of work this week, so I'll have probably more to talk about. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2436.94 2438.09 Yeah, I should have more to talk about. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2441.06 2441.59 Or at all. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2441.59 2442.41 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2438.77 2441.06 Then we won't have to have the meeting with Steve on Tuesday. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2446.28 2448.88 Three or I don't know. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2438.08 2438.77 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2442.41 2446.28 So Do we wanna arrange this get this one earlier maybe? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2438.17 2438.98 I think yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2443.4 2443.7 Well 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2448.42 2449.07 If you like. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2449.07 2451.23 Well, we can disc uh discuss that on Friday if we have one. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2449.08 2450.11 Oh, for next week. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2450.98 2451.67 Yeah, that's true. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2453.86 2454.07 True. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2455.87 2456.78 Mm 'kay, yeah, sure. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2456.75 2457.56 What what time? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2455.91 2456.75 Friday? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2458.92 2459.89 Um 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2461.41 2461.93 Um 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2461.77 2463.62 No, just after S. P. two. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2465.96 2467.06 Possibly, I don't know. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2469.96 2475.96 Um although well, I don't know, 'cause it's the lab and try and get some work done for the the lab stuff. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2467.06 2469.96 Usually by then it's need a break. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2463.98 2465.96 Hmm. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2469.73 2470.21 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2470.21 2471.44 I don't mean straight after. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2476.46 2477.42 Yeah, that could be quite good. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2474.6 2476.46 Yeah, for that. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2477.51 2477.82 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2477.55 2480.19 I've got a doctor's appointment at ten to two. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2482.16 2482.98 Ten to two. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2480.6 2482.16 Oh, okay. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2481.88 2482.78 Um 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2481.36 2481.88 Right. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2484.92 2486.71 Li 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2484.6 2484.92 What? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2484.92 2487.85 Friday morning? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2486.88 2489.4 Or th three o'clock? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2491.87 2493.53 Get away. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2489.4 2491.87 Or no or you wanna get out. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2493.53 2494.36 Okay, right. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2489.4 2489.94 Three o'clock. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2492.15 2494.91 Maybe I do, I'm not sure what I'm doing this weekend. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2491.48 2492.15 I don't know. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2494.91 2495.5 Um 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2503.71 2505.65 Um could go 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2499.98 2503.71 We've all got cla well three of us have class at twelve. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2497.67 2499.98 'Cause I think she's got a class at eleven. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2504.19 2505.44 W how about qui 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2505.17 2508.15 Should we say three o'clock and then if there's a v serious problem, I'll tell you. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2504.53 2505.17 Two. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2511.48 2513.39 Well it wouldn't be a long meeting then. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2510.01 2511.48 Well yea yeah well yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2513.79 2517.07 Would you wanna no, probably not. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2517.07 2519.21 If one's bad for you, then it won't okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2513.39 2513.79 Or no. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2507.76 2508.94 Or if we could try one. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2508.94 2510.01 We could try shortly after. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2510.67 2511.06 I can't. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2523.44 2525.92 Well what how about quite late? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2515.71 2523.44 Um what I oh, no no, that that would only give us like thirty five minutes or something. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2525.92 2527.53 Like you know, five or six. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2522.35 2522.78 Right, okay. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2524.39 2526.28 It's might not be too we th I don't think we need a probably 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2527.92 2529.04 Three's better than five or six. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2528.55 2529.33 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2531.17 2532.82 Well three o'clock, let's say three o'clock for now. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2541.65 2543.42 But I don't think that won't be I'm not sure. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2536.48 2541.65 then if three o'clock's a problem, five or six will be a problem, 'cause I won't be here. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2532.16 2536.48 three so say three o'clock and then um if there's a problem with that,
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2541.57 2541.94 Okay. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2544.14 2545.17 Right. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2545.17 2548.73 I'll write um I'll write this meeting up and I'll send it to Pernilla as well. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2548.87 2549.96 Okay. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2563.27 2564.8 Well I thought somebody was collecting them. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2562.53 2563.27 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2560.03 2562.53 School for the gifted. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2552.15 2555.01 Oh, you're just sending it to No. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2558.98 2560.03 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2564.8 2566.48 But right, well that's what I thought when you said that. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2549.82 2552.15 Is she collecting them? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2555.01 2558.98 I mean, is she collecting oh right, oh yeah, sorry. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2551.44 2553.59 No. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2553.59 2560.31 Because she's not here. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2566.12 2568.34 Yeah, no, we should probably do that at end, depending on 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2560.31 2566.12 I collect meeting summaries. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2554.98 2555.14 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2568.46 2568.73 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2568.98 2572.62 Then we'd know who's missed them or who's if we've done any. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2581.17 2587.09 We've mentioned topic labelling with uh key-words. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2570.21 2575.01 So can we just can we just r repeat briefly what we've spoken about. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2587.09 2591.36 Um we discussed if the search should be ranked. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2591.36 2594.89 And Michael, did you have anything else? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2575.01 2581.17 So we've din done uh progress on the speaker characterisation, who does the speaker characterisation. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2570.42 2571.21 Right. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2578.94 2579.03 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2586.11 2586.37 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2607.98 2609.79 For now. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2598.73 2600.94 But um no, it should be fine. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2609.79 2610.08 'Cause 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2594.69 2598.73 Um there's just sorta the basic implementation stuff that I was wondering about. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2600.94 2603.76 Um it's just progressing. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2606.92 2607.98 No? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2603.76 2606.92 Um we d did we decide whether it should be ranked? 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2604.73 2605.41 And a start-up window. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2608.15 2608.46 No. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2608.48 2614.28 Oh well, basically not not unless you've got time for at the end. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2614.28 2615.48 It would be nice at the end. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2630.91 2635.26 Um I don't know, it just I just don't know if it would bring us that much. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2628.37 2630.91 Like if someone's looking for a particular term. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2613.98 2614.26 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2621.36 2628.37 Just because if it is like independently doing the words for a particular document, it's not it's not really getting them together. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2614.26 2621.36 Well I d I kinda think it would complicate things quite a bit and not bring us a lot. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2637.44 2638.85 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2638.85 2642.36 I think I think it w it would it would give you the most relevant result. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2635.46 2637.44 I think it would. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2636.68 2637.08 How so? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2651.79 2658.11 it just doesn't you're looking for that term and relevance is kind of irrelevant because if the term shows up, it shows up. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2640.93 2645.61 If if if they're looking for, like I say, sunny day and,
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2645.61 2649.31 you know, sunny shows up in this document, day shows up, but they're not together. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2649.31 2651.79 Um or if if they are toge I don't know,
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2680.69 2682.82 So you wanna distinguish those somehow. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2676.6 2680.69 you know, my language is German or something stupid that you don't really want. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2672.24 2676.6 And then you've got those that just mention, you know, mention it briefly, like once or twice saying,
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2664.34 2672.24 you know n some some meetings which have as a topic language, they specifically speak about language, and they use that word like in every sentence. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2658.28 2664.34 No, but for things like if you search for language, then you might have you have some topics which have as a,
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2682.82 2683.79 Or would be nice anyway. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2672.39 2672.58 Hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2679.33 2679.52 Right. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2684.26 2688.32 Yeah, that would help a lot for that s for single terms it would be very useful. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2688.32 2694.19 For multiple terms, unless you wanna do something there will be a way of doing it for multiple terms. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2684.62 2688.12 In in that sense for single for single word yeah, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2686.95 2687.92 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2697.66 2697.88 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2695 2697.66 Well, create a new yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2693.21 2695 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2696.23 2696.91 I mean 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2693.26 2696.23 Uh for multiple terms we can just do something really simple. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2697.67 2706.31 Or you could do it and override it by the you ca you could just ignore the d ranking if it doesn't show up together. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2697.24 2697.67 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2706.31 2709.75 Or you could perhap you could penalize it, you could just put a b weight against it. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2705.6 2705.87 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2707.57 2709.85 Well, but you still have to do the search. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2718.53 2722.07 Well it wouldn't show up on the search results if it if it didn't exist together. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2722.07 2722.43 So 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2709.85 2712.1 You still have to do the N. X. T. search then, right? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2715.99 2718.53 Oh yeah, yeah, it'll yeah,, yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2712.1 2713.67 If if it doesn't show up. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2713.67 2715.06 Yeah, yeah, I know. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2715.06 2715.99 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2712.07 2714.46 Yeah, you do the N. X. T. so so it doesn't show up together. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2714.46 2716.83 Either disregard it or put a weighting against it. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2716.83 2719.21 So if you g how many pairs you get, you can 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2716.44 2716.84 Yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2724.02 2727.61 Yeah, I mean you'd you'd just do it really simply, you know. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2720.28 2724.02 Yeah, just just just disregard it, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2732.28 2733.33 Can discuss it on Friday. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2727.61 2732.28 You'll have the results as before, but yeah, yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2721.31 2723.36 Yeah, so then just next. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2723.36 2723.73 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2724.28 2724.59 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2726.7 2727.58 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2732.25 2738.83 'Cause if we are using that, I mean it does make sense for that, but uh yeah, and just actually yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2738.83 2739.11 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2727.58 2728.13 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2728.13 2732.25 We'll have we'll have to talk to Pernilla about this then, just 'cause uh see how she's uh doing this. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2729.81 2730.98 Yeah, might have to talk to Pernilla about that. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2740.23 2742.17 It doesn't have to be all intelligent. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2743.05 2745.57 Well that's sorta what is yeah, that's true. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2742.49 2743.05 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2748.73 2750.08 something like that would just push it up. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2745.39 2748.73 And if the one that you got just happened to be at the bottom when it was actually the most relevant one 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2742.86 2745.39 'Cause some things you're gonna get a lot of results for. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2745.03 2745.84 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2754.34 2758.52 Um and then we could actually put that like on the list of um meetings that r get returned. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2758.52 2765.14 If there were fifteen meetings with language is in, then it's gonna show you those and rank them as to which is the highest. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2765.14 2766.25 So okay, I see that. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2748.79 2752.47 Well the thing is also I mean if it's well yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2752.47 2754.34 Yeah okay, I see what you mean. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2770.14 2776.4 the um if sunny and day aren't mentioned together a lot but sunny just happens to mentions once 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2764.54 2766.27 Which is the highest, exactly. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2779.42 2780.75 If you just dup add them together. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2766.27 2770.14 And um also with their something like sunny day 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2776.4 2779.42 then its term will be low and it will push down the other one if you combine them. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2762.82 2764.54 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2776.86 2777.02 Hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2780.4 2783.13 Well the thing is I mean that'll be exactly how we're doing it now,
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2783.13 2786.17 like we're just looking for the two words separately, see if they exist in the same document. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2779.57 2780.4 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2789.07 2791.11 And then we do the N. X. T. search on that document. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2786.17 2789.07 If they do, then there's a possibility that they c occur together. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2790.29 2790.56 Mm. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2791.24 2791.67 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2791.67 2797.38 But you have no ranking system at the moment, so if something's an amazing w highly ranked thing from T. F. I. D. F. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2797.38 2807.98 it could just be ignored because it falls off the bottom of the do you have a assuming you only have you have a return all results for all so you type language and it returns seventy five meetings. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2793.18 2793.73 Yeah, no. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2800.26 2800.58 Hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2813.44 2815.97 Well I thou yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2812.69 2813.44 But yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2808.21 2809.98 Um well right now it's not doing anything. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2817.5 2817.73 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2815.97 2817.5 Yeah, I think so. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2809.98 2812.69 So I don I don't know I don't know what what it's doing. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2816.27 2816.77 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2810.67 2816.27 Yeah, there are already seventy f but there are seventy five meeting. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2817.88 2818.21 Ooh. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2816.71 2817.88 Wow. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2811.42 2812.56 Well it's not that many meetings. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2812.56 2816.71 So that sh that shouldn't is there really? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2819.2 2819.41 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2831.07 2831.96 Something like that would be 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2825.59 2831.07 Or returns twenty, even if it returns twenty, do you cut off at ten, do you rank them, do you what's the threshold? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2819.96 2823.99 So if it m so yeah, if you return seventy five, wh where do you stop? 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2823.99 2825.59 How do you rank them or something. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2827.73 2828.91 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2829.54 2829.86 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2825.76 2827.73 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2828.91 2829.54 Yeah, that's true. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2831.54 2832.56 Hmm yeah, that's true. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2832.24 2837.32 Hmm look through them all. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2837.32 2837.6 Well 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2835.66 2836.69 One at a time and 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2834.25 2835.66 Look through them all, yeah. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2840.81 2845.42 But you wanna find the one that actually contains it usefully somehow. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2836.12 2840.81 It would be useful as well for a word like language that might occur in all of them. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2845.79 2846.2 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2846.79 2847.02 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2847.83 2848.13 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2849.34 2852.07 You know, you still wanna be able to search for for the word language. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2854.1 2854.98 In a sensible way. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2858.5 2860.22 Well we'll discuss it again on Friday. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2866.77 2867.19 Yeah. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2874.89 2875.36 So is that it? 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2876.28 2877.07 I think so. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2878.5 2878.81 Tick. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2877.32 2878.5 Yep. 
EN2002c H01 FEO072 2876.35 2877.32 Yep. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2880.7 2882.03 I've signed off already. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2879.45 2880.7 Tick. 
EN2002c H02 MEE071 2877.33 2879.45 We're done. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2880.18 2880.57 Okay. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2882.21 2882.9 Yeah. 
EN2002c H03 MEE073 2889.09 2889.64 Mm. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 20.63 25.11 Forget every time that the 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 23.12 25.62 Oh dear, this doesn't stick at all. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 29.52 31.33 What Rena. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 31.33 32.97 What, this bit or this b 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 34.94 35.47 Like this? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 41.28 47.07 Where did my oh, it's it's stuck here. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 42.01 43.36 wanna go today. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 49 52.15 Ooh. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 49.96 53.68 I sabotaged it. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 51.4 52.79 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 76.77 84.25 or maybe if I set it here on the this brand thing. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 84.25 85.09 Are they on, yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 65.88 67.34 Okay. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 67.34 76.77 Keep an eye if I'm dropping this 'cause just seem ah, as I said, it doesn't seem very s Perhaps sweater 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 85.09 86.4 On. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 73.12 73.9 Doesn't wanna stay. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 70.53 73.12 Ooh, there you go. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 72.91 74.54 Yeah, mine doesn't stick today either. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 74.93 75.87 Yeah, seems slippery. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 86 86.43 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 88.72 90.62 Okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 91.33 92 What day is it? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 107.69 107.92 Okay. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 108.15 110.06 Who wants to write summary? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 111.45 111.84 Summary. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 113.27 114.2 What? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 114.2 120.24 Was that a answer? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 120.24 122.07 Well Okay. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 122.07 123.28 I was just about to 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 114.35 115.18 No, just the summary. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 115.18 116.96 No, that was just summary. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 116.96 117.54 No. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 117.54 119.82 Um no um okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 113.44 114.35 Um no. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 118.11 118.22 Oh. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 118.88 119.39 I'll do it. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 119.17 121.47 No it won't. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 123.09 124.42 Oh, write the sum okay, right. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 126.41 126.96 Yeah, okay. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 127.34 130.51 Um have you changed the the file yet? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 129.88 136.25 I did I was trying to I didn't have privileges to get in to update your file. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 136.25 140.6 I w I actually meant to I meant to send the email and then I was just c didn't get around to it. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 135.16 135.29 Oh. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 136.94 138.06 Yeah, I forgot that actually. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 135.93 136.94 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 139.08 139.99 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 139.99 145.35 No, when we um when you said at the beginning I thought must check the read-write and then I never did it. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 148.43 150.02 Um so yeah, I was j yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 150.02 152.54 That was the main thing, so um as soon as that's in it'll be right out. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 161.88 164.78 So that's that's sorta tonight as well. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 154.16 156.72 So so those will be able to play with. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 152.54 154.16 I was making a couple of little change as well. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 169.66 173.4 Um getting a better feel for all these NITE objects. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 156.72 161.88 Still working on the um trying to get the topics and summary search implemented as well. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 143.24 148.43 Yeah, I had yeah, 'cause I forget mine as well, and it's just like, you know, every time put something in there. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 164.78 166.8 So Um yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 166.8 169.66 Other than that it's sorta coming along. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 145.97 146.37 No? 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 146.37 146.62 Alright. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 164.51 164.72 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 175.58 175.94 Uh. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 173.26 175.58 Mm g yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 174.7 177.72 The fun and games. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 173.26 174.7 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 177.72 179.17 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 182.72 186.12 then you t spend the time to invest and learn all about them, but it's like okay, wow. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 177.61 182.72 I don't know, it's just it's um I don't know, it's it's like if you're gonna use this stuff later on in your life,
EN2002d H03 MEE073 175.45 177.61 It's just I don't know, it seems a little chaos. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 186.12 189.24 What's the minimum I can get away with that that will get me what we need. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 189.24 194.19 So it's like, I don't know, unless I wanna do something with this in the future 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 178.31 178.87 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 186.98 188.94 Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 188.94 191.51 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 189.57 190.79 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 187.49 189.57 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 193.88 196.71 Make browsers for the rest of the night. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 193.91 197.03 You could change your project. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 197.03 201.21 Do a P. H. D. or uh yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 194.95 196.01 Seems unlikely. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 201.17 202.97 Anyways, so um yeah, that's my bad. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 197.53 200.65 Yeah, mm. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 200.65 201.17 I don't know. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 195.9 197.53 Yeah, right. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 203.09 206.75 There is a file in the directory called disful. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 208.63 209.53 I ho what is it? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 209.34 209.62 I th 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 209.7 213.07 It's an Excel s S. X. dot X. S. L. . 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 212.08 215.06 I I saw that and I'm just trying to remember if I did create it,
EN2002d H03 MEE073 215.06 223.21 'cause I think I was 'cause I was trying some stuff uh a couple weeks ago, uh so that may be mine. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 211.06 212.08 I think I yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 223.21 223.88 Um 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 215.04 217 I haven't created it. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 224.1 230.01 Doesn't st have anything in it, Oh, it does, it has about three lines of X. M. L. that didn't do much, I think. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 232.14 232.73 What's that? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 230.01 232.14 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 225.49 226.01 Oh really? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 226.01 226.44 Okay. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 228.1 228.69 Oh right. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 228.69 230.08 Yeah, that's right, yeah, yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 230.32 232.73 Yeah, 'cause I saw it again today and I was just won Was that me. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 228.63 229.4 Oh yeah? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 229.4 230.32 Okay okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 234.56 238.57 Um but yeah, I'll yeah that was that was and sure. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 232.73 234.56 Yeah, I think that was me, I think so. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 234.6 234.99 Well 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 233.8 234.6 Oh right. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 236.21 240.47 j do you want remo move that just n just for nicety. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 243.02 244.19 There's plenty in there. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 237.75 241.83 It just seems to be occupied. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 241.83 243.02 The place is alright, doesn't matter really. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 240.32 241.62 No. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 241.62 241.69 G 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 242.7 247.14 Give you false impressions of what's hap s something's going on. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 253.1 256.43 Oh no, they live there, but there's I had even more stuff there yesterday. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 245.62 251.75 I had lots of stuff in there yesterday that Did you see? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 260.83 266.67 It's alright, but uh 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 251.75 253.1 Loads of stuff. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 259.52 260.83 I needed them, they were for this though. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 256.43 259.52 I was unzipping all this kind of crazy huge things that were enormous. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 250.08 252.38 Tons, tons. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 248.8 250.08 Yeah, I know it. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 252.38 253.33 All those objects, yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 249.53 254.51 I I do 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 250.12 253.12 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 253.12 256.61 And really. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 266.67 267.74 Yeah, okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 269.82 271.16 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 267.74 269.82 So we probably won't have to worry about that. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 262.32 263.77 How's our quota on that? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 271.16 273.89 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 263.77 266.67 What's what do actually do you know how much we have? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 258.8 262.32 Right. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 273.89 274.39 Okay. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 264 268.58 Oh it's huge, several gig I think. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 268.82 269.83 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 272.18 274.89 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 269.83 272.18 Shoulda run the I. L. in that directory. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 273.57 274.76 So yeah, it's no problem. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 274.76 279.82 It's just much bigger than all of our home directories combined, isn't it? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 270.76 273.57 Yeah, it's uh it's about yeah, it's so I think there's about eight gigs on there. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 273.66 274.87 Yeah, something like that, yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 276.76 279.02 Yeah, exac exactly. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 280.23 281.42 Um I don't know. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 281.42 282.36 How's everything else going? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 280.81 281.33 Sounds good. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 282.44 284.56 Has anyone had time to to play with it? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 291.23 291.91 Yeah, I liked it. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 285.08 286.14 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 291.91 292.68 Um 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 289.45 291.23 Uh no, it was good really. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 286.14 289.45 I had a play with it um yesterday. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 286.77 287.02 Oh. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 288.41 289.14 Any comments? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 294.08 294.49 uh 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 295.99 300.07 it uh generated a lot of exceptions in the background. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 300.07 302.05 But they didn't cause any problems, but it just 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 299.02 299.91 Oh, yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 299.91 300.27 Actually 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 300.04 300.51 Um 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 310.56 312.37 So it's just kinda doesn't really do anything. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 304.41 310.56 It just prints everything out in the in the shell as well, like as it does everything, it just kinda I guess that's its default behaviour anyway. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 301.89 302.81 Do we wanna keep that? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 302.81 304.41 Like are we keeping that how that happens? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 312.37 313.29 So, okay. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 302.1 302.51 Oh right. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 310.13 311.19 Might as well, yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 313.14 316.02 The thing is that, yeah, there is as I said a while ago 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 311.19 313.14 I mean yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 316.02 323.14 there is still this one error which is a bug in in N. X. T. um that r r always generates these. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 323.14 326.93 I think when you when you left-click or right-click or something, I can't remember now. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 320.07 320.77 Oh, right. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 327.41 327.61 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 337.97 338.21 Good. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 335.93 336.75 Good. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 336.75 337.97 Good. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 328.35 335.93 Um but if it's a real error, then it it stops, so you can't do any any more. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 335.37 338.21 I did have a look. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 332.8 335.37 Uh yeah, I didn't discover any of those, yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 344.04 346.74 And it the the th the start-up's great, looks quite good, looks alright. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 338.21 344.04 I prodded it to see if it'd break, but it didn't break too m I didn't play that long, but um it seemed alright really, yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 346.74 347.83 And so yeah, yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 334.34 336.43 It's good thing. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 336.43 338.41 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 338.56 338.77 Right. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 335.53 338.56 'Kay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 344.02 344.36 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 347.04 347.3 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 353.94 355.25 But uh I can do that. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 351.51 353.94 so I didn't didn't take it for a full test drive yet. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 355.25 357.15 That's well, right after this, yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 347.79 348.11 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 348.11 351.51 I was more or less just playing with the things that had to do directly with what I was doing 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 352.2 352.55 Okay. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 356.82 362.29 Is there any any comments you have about just like wording and or some sort of minor things? 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 355.56 356.82 Yeah, be good. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 356.43 357.39 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 357.39 357.85 I'll do it. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 362.67 363.63 No, looked alright. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 368.35 371.11 But uh the the s It doesn't matter too much. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 363.63 368.35 The only the only thing is the it's not the start-up screen is not too pretty. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 363.49 363.67 Hmm. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 368.63 371.15 A lot of this Java stuff isn't though. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 369.31 370.73 Yeah, I know. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 374.39 380.26 But um, you know, I would make them a bit nice if I had more time, but at the moment it doesn't look like that. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 370.73 374.39 At the moment as well the whole windows that pop up are not pretty at all. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 380.26 382.51 So I will if 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 379.93 380.21 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 380.21 383.52 No, it's not it's not it's not a um it's not the top priority, is it. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 387.18 387.53 Oh yeah? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 387.53 387.99 Okay, right. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 381.83 386.03 If you if you ch if you change your window manager, it might look a little bit nicer. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 386.03 387.18 Just yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 385.29 385.66 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 387.73 390.24 'Cause um it Java uses the native Windows, doesn't it? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 385.66 387.73 I think it'd look better on Windows as well actually. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 390.24 390.68 So 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 390.81 391.05 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 391.81 392.12 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 392.81 393.72 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 393.72 397.78 Actually can we run it on Windows. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 393.43 394.28 But we don't 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 395.04 399.38 Hey Zoe. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 395.18 397.83 No. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 401.33 402.29 Nasty. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 397.15 401.33 But that took me so long to do this bloody start window. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 402.29 406.1 So I'm quite glad that it looks, you know, ni nice on one or this kind of thing. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 400.98 401.4 Do they? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 401.4 401.89 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 402.37 402.59 Okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 401.2 402.37 Oh yeah? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 405.89 408.79 Were you using like a GUI builder or just all from code? 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 408.26 409.67 No, this is just yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 409.68 410.94 Okay, and that's 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 413.1 414.92 That's nasty. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 414.8 418.97 Well the um the um speaker characterisation is finished. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 420.27 420.63 Okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 419.87 420.27 Wow. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 418.92 419.87 Oh yeah? 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 419.86 420.19 Alright. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 428.84 431.16 It runs it much faster than if I do it here. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 424.37 428.84 So I do it it's faster for some bizarre reason if I log in at home and then run the code. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 431.16 431.33 But 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 420.29 424.37 I haven't done it, I haven't updated all those object files though 'cause it takes ages on these computers. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 420.4 420.72 It's good. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 431.11 432.8 That's odd, yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 431.27 432.16 Hmm. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 432.76 436.66 But that's why I just can't to sit in the lab and wait half an hour or whatever it takes 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 446.25 446.53 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 446.53 452.56 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 452.56 453.37 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 439.09 442.53 I don't know. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 434.48 438.67 Well well can you can you connect to your home machine from here and then start it from there? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 438.67 439.09 Just yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 442.53 446.25 I've done stuff like that before, it's insane, it's insane. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 449.29 449.72 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 449.72 453.97 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 445.35 449.29 It'll really speed it up. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 438.29 438.89 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 438.89 445.35 No, I tried that, but l yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 438.72 441.86 Try that a few times. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 441.86 459.22 Yeah, I started I started using your um um the speak I don't know if you've seen that in the yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 459.16 466.46 I saw that it it doe it's tells tells you what speakers uh are in which meeting and then you can see which topics which topics yeah,
EN2002d H02 MEE071 466.46 467.15 something like that, yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 458.39 459.16 I saw that, yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 472.41 472.77 It's nice. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 469.85 472.41 It's got a good interface and easy to use. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 466.94 467.7 Yeah yeah yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 467.7 469.85 But it's good, your your stuff is really coo good. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 488.15 494.48 So the fir one statement is that it will b I'd removed it 'cause w it was like everything is prefixed by statement. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 500.88 501.29 So it 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 494.48 500.88 Every single dialogue act starts with statement and um so everybody's top statement. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 478.94 488.15 But there's some of them some of th the thing actually what I wanted to talk about dialogue acts was um there are some that occur all the time that I just and I don't know how interesting there are. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 473.8 478.94 The um th the dialogue acts are all done, and they're quite amusing some of them. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 473.22 473.8 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 488.3 488.63 Mm. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 496.78 497.02 Right. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 500.44 500.62 Right. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 503.45 503.68 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 500.87 503.45 Well wouldn't won't we include that then? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 501.31 501.57 Who? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 506.82 507.92 Well I don't know what that means. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 507.92 509.52 Who knows what back-channel. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 503.14 506.82 And then everybody the next one seems to mostly be back-channel. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 502.45 503.14 So I got rid of that. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 508.22 508.56 What was it? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 508.48 508.66 What? 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 509.83 511.83 It's when they say mm, uh-huh, yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 512.1 512.77 Is that what that means? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 513.7 516.05 Um and then the others are quite 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 512.77 513.7 Oh, keep that then. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 512.59 512.77 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 513.66 513.9 Okay. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 515.21 517.91 I don't know if that's very useful, because everyone does it. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 517.91 518.7 It's very 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 517.33 517.85 Exactly. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 515.59 517.33 Well, it's kinda boring, yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 519.47 520.95 There are some people who don't do that. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 524.11 525.23 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 528.76 532.88 Some people have and acknowledgement is a big one that comes up all the time, yes no questions. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 532.88 535.72 Um uh what else comes up? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 520.95 524.11 Actually yeah, you can see that they don't do that and it's the bottom of their list. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 518.84 519.47 Some people don't though. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 525.23 528.76 I know. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 518.66 518.84 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 520.8 521.16 Really? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 522.35 523.34 Hmm. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 523.91 527.33 They're asleep, I think. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 525.24 528.65 It's just very quiet. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 525.38 527.02 Right. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 535.28 540.2 So which you know, suggest maybe you can suggest a few that which which would be interesting to list. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 540.2 541.41 Like three or four or something. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 540.66 541.2 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 572.67 574.47 But I can change that. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 576.16 579.67 That's what I m That's what I'm asking you really. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 560.01 566.77 and will give you that in top order as well, or will give you or you can just search for each specific dialogue act. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 547.97 551.07 You give it any number and it will give you the top whatever for each person. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 551.07 560.01 And then each meeting knows about all the different dialogue acts for each person in the meeting, and the amount that that occurred,
EN2002d H02 MEE071 574.47 576.16 Um so I don't know what we want to display. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 541.2 547.97 But that's the thing and so I wanted to know whether or not we 'cause at the moment you can get there's a method that will just give you the top five for or the top X. . 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 566.77 572.67 Do you have to search on in B. s and K. s rather than real words right at the moment. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 548.74 548.97 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 549.13 549.79 Oh yeah, cool. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 549.99 550.42 Very nice. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 574.1 574.42 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 578.19 583.48 Or I don't know, if we have like uh a choice, so they can filter those out f the the top most common,
EN2002d H03 MEE073 583.48 587.83 just say okay all show all or show, you know, only the im interesting ones. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 577.59 578.19 Okay, right. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 587.05 589.34 All's a lot, all's like twenty five 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 589.91 590.16 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 590.21 590.53 But 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 590.98 592.76 Dialogue acts per b 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 591.49 596.84 I mean do we do we care if, you know why not w I think, you know, it'd be it'd be difficult 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 593.59 595.04 I don't know, yeah, it doesn't really matter. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 593.21 593.59 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 595.04 597.33 Well, if we just automatically filter these out. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 597.82 605.8 But it would be difficult if, you know, if in the um speaker characterisation window we had a heading, you know, top five dialogue acts. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 605.8 612.11 And then then the little brackets, but they're not actually the top five, but top five minus the most common ones, which are, you know 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 622.79 629.26 and then in the meeting you have what you could either have the most commonly occurring ones or you could have a list of each speaker's top dialogue acts. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 617.32 622.79 and so just say one of the boxes just explains does this is my top five dialogue acts for the speaker 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 612.7 617.32 I think we should have the global top five that cause it each speaker's got top a top whatever 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 612.12 612.7 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 612.16 613.03 They're boring. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 613.54 613.97 Because 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 622.33 622.61 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 621.3 622.33 For the speaker. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 631.46 633.42 But it would start take a lot of space if you have it 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 630.63 631.46 Either of those would do you. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 633.16 635.13 No, I wouldn't yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 636.54 639.91 So you s 'cause it's 'cause it's a speaker window, the speaker characterisation window comes up. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 644.04 649.62 And then then the top five in that meet in global, the top five this meeting, and then the rest is r obvious, isn't it. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 639.91 644.04 So you've got the global one there, and then here you can just have the top five in this meeting. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 635.41 636.54 Or you could have no, you don't need that. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 649.62 649.79 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 639.21 640.01 Exactly, yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 643.52 644.4 Yep. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 644.4 644.82 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 645.29 645.45 Mm. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 647.49 647.7 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 645.97 647.49 Yeah yeah, yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 647.1 647.29 Right. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 649.08 649.27 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 649.97 654.04 Yeah, just do top five, both local and global, and then have another 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 655.11 661.37 Um but then we want a selection of three or four maybe interesting ones, and then 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 660.48 660.86 That occur. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 674.26 684.42 Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 670.23 671.7 One guy has top five joke. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 672.29 673.28 He's an undergrad. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 684.42 685.58 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 662.56 667.14 But you th some often the interesting ones don't occur, things like joke don't occur very often. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 673.96 674.26 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 673.28 673.96 That's quite funny. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 667.14 670.23 Well they do sometimes, but they're not that common. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 671.7 672.29 One of them is joke. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 685.58 686.33 He's the joker. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 673 678.32 Oh. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 673.54 678.28 You followed all this up. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 681.06 681.52 It's perfect. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 681.52 684.07 I mean that's sorta exactly what you wanna do and look at these things. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 677.35 679.06 Okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 679.06 679.86 Actually yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 679.86 681.06 This is good for browsing though. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 684.07 685.48 And so Yeah, who's doing what. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 682.05 685.04 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 685.35 687.51 Yeah, see, and that's what speaker characterisation gives you. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 687.5 688.37 Exactly. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 688.37 688.9 It's fun. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 688.4 688.74 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 689.19 692.61 It's like I'm only interested in this guy, 'cause he seems to be funny. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 692.61 702.87 So what is it. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 689.33 689.99 Who's the one who dr 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 696.79 698.6 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 692.33 696.79 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 698.6 704.09 That'd be quite good, wouldn't it? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 694.93 697.49 Let's take 'em to the next joke. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 694.46 694.93 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 697.49 702.02 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 692.35 694.46 Right. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 692.41 694.15 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 713.73 722.34 I don't know, twenty, is that the ho what percentage of his speech is joke, or w how what percentage of the jokes 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 702.91 713.73 Um so is is this percentage then um if you say like um joke for this speaker is percentage,
EN2002d H01 FEO072 696.74 702.91 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 715.16 715.5 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 728.46 728.72 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 720.44 728.46 What percentage of the dialogue acts that he makes are jokes, in the meeting and globally separately, so once globally. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 725.33 726.53 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 723.9 725.33 Are jokes. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 726.53 726.66 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 727.81 728.17 Okay. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 735.26 737.33 So I just ignored that as well. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 733.47 735.26 A lot of them are coded with Z., which means no label. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 730.56 733.47 Um I think most things are coded with a dialogue act. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 737.33 737.9 'Cause that's boring. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 736.63 736.85 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 756.39 757.72 Yeah yeah yeah, somebody else's joke. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 757.72 760.25 So yeah, you have to be original about your material. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 747.81 751.65 So they put they put the the dialogue act and then they put a double a colon and they put that aside. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 740.59 747.81 And also the other thing that they have is um if somebody quotes something, so if I quote a joke to you they separate that. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 751.65 756.39 Just ignored anyth any quoted material, 'cause it's got nothing to do with I just scrapped it. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 739.46 740.59 And statement, which is boring. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 760.25 764.04 Otherwise we don't credit it to you. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 753.58 754.62 Right, okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 755.13 756.42 Well it's not a real joke anyways. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 752.6 753.58 Hmm. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 754.62 755.13 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 753.43 753.94 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 758.4 760.24 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 760.24 767.48 Yeah, I mean just keep it simple as 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 767.8 768.03 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 768.13 769.35 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 769.35 769.67 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 768.8 770.78 Um 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 775.7 776.67 Super. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 771.16 774.94 Okay, that sounds real so that's sort of implemented now or is that or is it close? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 777.64 778.29 Like to test that. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 776.67 777.64 Okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 774.94 775.7 Wow. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 774.23 775 Yeah, that's all done, yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 775 775.59 All done, yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 781.95 783.39 But I think it's pretty much complete done. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 784.93 786.83 So you can us start using that whenever. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 783.39 784.29 So I'll do that tonight. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 781.55 781.95 I can't remember. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 784.29 784.93 Just put it up there. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 776.73 781.55 Um yeah, I just have to I'll just finish there might be some polishing. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 783.19 783.48 Actually 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 782.98 783.19 Mm. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 785.03 786.49 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 786.49 791.99 And when I update my N. L., just uh recompile the M. browsers and then just uh get that. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 801.03 803.84 Just prefix 'em with an M. and Or 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 791.99 792.8 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 792.8 796.99 Well, so it'll use as my part as well, my um the M. search. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 796.99 801.03 It w actually do we have like naming convention for s our sorts files? 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 791.48 792.41 You will, yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 794.79 794.92 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 796.55 797.01 Sounds good. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 802.98 806.35 Yeah, I was thinking that um it sort of turned out that way a bit, didn't it? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 806.78 806.9 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 807.98 810.25 It Like for your stuff do you have no. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 806.9 807.98 Well that's sorta what I was doing. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 805.78 806.78 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 812.61 813.62 Well, I can judge it if you want. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 809.41 812.61 No, I just well it's called meeting and speaker. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 811.63 812.49 Oh okay, alright. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 813.69 815.62 It doesn't really ma no, it doesn't matter at this point. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 815.62 817.01 No, I was just kinda curious. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 817.01 818.85 I'm thinking about future stuff maybe, if 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 813.93 814.35 I don't know. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 814.35 815.03 Does it matter? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 815.51 815.92 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 817.01 817.88 Oh, I was 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 818.63 820.71 We could put it in a sep in a p package. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 820.92 821.65 Yeah, that's true too. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 821.81 822.58 If you can be bothered. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 822.82 824.06 Yeah, yeah, doesn't matter. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 829.41 831.01 As long as in the same directory it works. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 824.1 826.79 Well it doesn't seem to make any differ I've never ever used Java packages. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 833.43 833.72 Right. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 826.79 829.41 Doesn't even make any difference. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 831.01 833.43 So sod it. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 827.7 829.39 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 829.39 829.83 'Cause 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 831.51 831.68 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 831.78 832.13 Mm. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 834.35 834.65 Okay. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 836.04 841.56 I have one one m one little question that I reckon we should have a little icon for our browser. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 846.38 848.29 No. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 842.89 846.38 Well then you can double-click on and it oh, oh. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 844.58 848.04 Well no, the thing is um in, yeah, in the the top left. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 855.04 855.57 So 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 848.04 855.04 At the moment they've got an X., which is, you know, N. X. T. and it's sort of a bit cheeky to use that. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 846.66 848.71 Like instead of the 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 849.66 850.49 Oh yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 850.49 850.74 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 853.42 855.1 Yeah, it will have something else. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 855.1 857.35 Just borrow a little Microsoft GIF like that. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 855.25 855.83 Hmm. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 857.2 858.81 Mm yeah right. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 866.06 869.31 We could the only thing I could think of was an M. . 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 869.31 869.83 But 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 857.48 862.28 No, we want something original. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 862.28 866.06 What do you suggest? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 860.16 867.31 Oh. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 868.48 869.49 Yeah, I know, yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 869.49 869.88 Same here. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 871.74 872.4 M. B. . 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 882.36 890.82 Yeah, that would be good. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 890.82 892.24 Ah no. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 871.92 874.6 We have the g big yellow one maybe. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 882.18 882.36 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 874.6 882.18 No Huh? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 874.58 878.87 Where have I seen that before. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 874.88 881.07 We'd be sued for that, I think. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 876.19 878.84 Oh right. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 882.54 882.8 Well, it's. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 882.8 887 I don't know. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 880.88 882.54 Super-size meeting browser. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 882.62 883.98 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 882.79 887.65 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 888.44 889.12 Um 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 892.58 897.91 Just probably basic just text font, and just something nice, something solid maybe. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 897.91 898.34 Be a good 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 896.55 897.03 Yeah um 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 897.51 898.73 Yeah, anything you like, yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 898.64 904.01 I mean it's tiny, so we can't really put more than one character really or one sort of simple GIF. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 901.32 902.02 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 908.08 909.36 No? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 909.36 909.71 No? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 904.02 908.08 Anybody have any um artistic talent? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 909.71 909.9 Ok 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 903.75 904.02 I know. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 908.92 909.96 No. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 909.96 910.65 Well, I can dr 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 909.54 914.34 Do you think we'd be doing uh M. S. C. s in Informatics if we did? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 914.34 920.82 Some people do, yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 920.82 922.28 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 909.94 910.16 Oh. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 912.49 914.87 Oh it's possib some people are balanced. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 919.17 922.58 Maybe I'll check see if I can find anyone. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 914.87 918.4 Some people are No, I know some balanced people. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 911.77 912.49 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 922.58 923.08 Um 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 918.4 919.17 no. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 912.78 921.82 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 923.16 925.11 Well if you find anything, then send it to me. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 925.24 925.54 Okay. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 926.23 927.86 Otherwise I'll I'll make up some M. . 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 933.42 934.93 Uh-huh, yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 931.53 933.42 Is it just basic little Okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 928.06 931.53 How do you s add that to the to the Java programme? 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 932.22 933.99 I'm not sure actually. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 933.99 934.61 I'm thinking yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 934.5 940.76 You do it in um one of the w whatever the main is it you set w GIF or some Set f set set picture or something. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 933.51 934.5 That's really easy. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 940.76 941.3 It's really simple. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 939.78 940.1 Oh. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 946.69 946.96 But 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 943.83 945.98 But I'll have to import it somehow. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 945.98 946.69 I'm not quite sure. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 940.07 943.83 Yeah, yeah yeah, I I know yeah, I know how to how to put it there. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 942.87 943.88 So just in the main frame. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 943.88 944.4 Okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 944.4 945.01 Okay, right. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 946.88 947.29 Right, okay. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 947.23 949.95 Yeah, I think you just give it a file-name and it tells it it knows 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 949.12 950.78 Yeah, yeah, probably. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 952.51 953.2 Oh cool. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 953.2 953.8 Nice. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 950.16 952.51 Oh, so it'll do the automatic scrunching down if it's bigger? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 953.8 954.06 Super. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 951.98 953.45 Yeah, yeah, it just sticks it in the corner. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 954.69 955.01 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 953.45 954.69 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 953.03 953.39 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 954.46 963.25 We have to remember to include that in our evaluation, how they did the GIF improve your browsing experie 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 961.53 967.12 They know it's a distincting di distinctive experience, I guess. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 967.12 967.32 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 961.55 964.18 Yes. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 961.56 965.16 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 966.35 966.62 Sorry. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 966.98 968.91 Oh yes. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 970.42 975.88 It go welcome to the meeting browser. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 975.88 977.5 No, that's problem. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 968.62 970.42 It could even have some sound when it comes on. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 977.5 978.41 Have to do it in the 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 972.78 976.52 No uh 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 970.92 972.78 No. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 971.05 973.11 Can we g 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 974.51 976.1 Can we get sound on these machines? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 976.1 976.54 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 976.54 983.57 I wish Actually have you ever managed N oh yeah, you must have, yeah, got play any sort of music on the DICE machines? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 983.57 984.36 Right, okay. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 983.17 987.01 Not no, but I think if you put headphones in, it will just play just normally. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 986.76 987.58 Oh right right. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 987.58 989.71 They have them on the front too, I think. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 989.71 989.99 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 986.87 987.97 If 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 989.36 998.1 if the sound-card is registered to your name, which it usually is not, and you have to re-boot, and sometimes it still doesn't work, then yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 994.27 994.84 Okay, right. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 992.71 994.27 Mm. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 994.2 994.64 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 993.04 994.2 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 998.01 998.22 Right. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 998.42 999.51 Sometimes it works, yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1002.59 1003.05 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 999.02 1002.59 I guess that's why we have a separate speech lab. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1003.05 1006.61 Yeah, um 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 999.94 1000.03 Damn. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1002.54 1004.25 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1008.49 1009.72 Okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1006.12 1007.44 Get a lot of audio. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1002.54 1004.5 Yes. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1009.72 1012.47 Um okay, well this this looks good. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1004.5 1006.12 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1007.44 1008.49 No. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1011.66 1012.55 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1012.55 1012.97 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1010.82 1011.66 'Kay. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1014.45 1014.99 Um 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1014.46 1022.53 I ran in some troubles with the indexing, but uh f found another package I instead of writing it from um the scratch,
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1027.5 1027.9 But 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1022.53 1027.5 'cause it well, I don't know um just now, but I haven't played around it that much. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1030.34 1034.25 We'll see what happens in the next few days. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1031.38 1031.67 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1033.14 1037.78 Are we gonna be uh trying to get the output from that and I don't know, still haven't found out if it's um 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1052.52 1058.82 just pick the top five to to do the the search and Since that's probably what we're looking for anyways. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1047.44 1051.04 like to be looking through the highest ranked ones first. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1039 1041.13 feasible to open up more than one well 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1058.82 1058.99 So 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1041.13 1047.44 as many mm NOM objects as we can for each meeting to do like we were gonna need like figure that the ranking did make sense 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1051.04 1052.52 So if we are gonna look through only five of them 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1040.85 1042.32 Yeah we'll think about that. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1054.85 1056.63 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1059.67 1061.08 I can send you right now. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1061.08 1061.49 Like 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1061.24 1061.46 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1062.77 1063.41 Um 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1065.75 1070.74 I still can't make it run T. N. T. from Java. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1071.4 1074.43 If you can make it work, then I'll be well chuffed. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1070.74 1071.4 Yeah, you try it. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1065.9 1066.42 C. . 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1073.77 1078.64 S Yeah, I'd That'd be a surprise 'cause I'm bad at Java. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1068.21 1069.75 Are you serious? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1080.08 1080.54 Um 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1078.64 1080.08 Yes. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1072.96 1073.77 Okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1072.55 1072.96 Yeah? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1069.75 1072.55 Maybe I'll try. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1073.18 1073.67 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1090.58 1092 It's just like 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1083.6 1090.58 But uh feels like it's it's a Java course more than anything else. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1080.83 1083.6 I didn't expect this course to be so much about Java. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1078.2 1080.83 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1083.83 1084.61 Yeah, seriously. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1088.05 1092.67 It's a Java course. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1089.65 1089.98 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1090.05 1091.26 Mm yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1091.26 1093 Practical Java. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1091.84 1097.34 In fact it's a N. X. T. package. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1094.84 1096.29 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1095.01 1098.08 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1098.08 1100.31 How do you guys find the documentation for N. X. T. and 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1095.98 1096.94 Course, yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1100.38 1103.35 Right. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1101.46 1102.31 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1103.04 1104.4 That's my belief as well. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1101.61 1103.04 Yeah, okay, good. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1103.71 1108.48 I mean sometimes they have methods that don't have any explanation to them at all. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1108.48 1114.27 So you just like right, I'll try this then and see what it gives me. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1107.99 1108.4 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1108.35 1109.27 Yeah, I think it was 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1112.99 1122.31 And it uh it's was apparently generated by going to d generate JavaDoc and it just went Spat it all out and they never bothered to uh d comment anything. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1110.6 1111.55 So what does. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1111.55 1112.99 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1113.08 1113.43 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1112.09 1113.08 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1122.18 1125.77 Well it's still I guess research platform. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1125.77 1126.11 Uh 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1121.03 1122.18 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1125.06 1125.54 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1125.54 1127.56 At least get to know what methods are there. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1129.04 1129.44 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1127.56 1129.04 So without having to look at the source codes. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1127.55 1127.82 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1132.11 1132.44 Well 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1131.22 1132.11 I was just curious. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1129.11 1130.66 Yeah, that's true. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1130.66 1131.22 Okay. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1131.22 1131.61 What? 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1131.27 1131.6 Hmm. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1132.68 1133.7 Yes, that's it right here. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1138.48 1139.21 So 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1158.09 1159.32 Should we Um 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1144.58 1151.63 I thought I thought we said th I thought we ch yeah, I thought we change it to the tenth or something. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1151.63 1158.09 Um 'cause the thing is I mean we can keep working on little things f you know and sh Oh, well we should do this or do this. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1138.83 1144.58 So c did we have a date for when we actually want the system done? 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1143.8 1144.19 Friday? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1145.92 1146.81 It's the eighth. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1144.42 1145.92 Today, wasn't it? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1150.39 1150.78 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1145.13 1150.39 We change it to Friday. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1145.94 1146.97 I thought it was Friday. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1149.77 1151.51 Okay. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1152.01 1153.11 I guess that's not 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1161.04 1169.33 so I don't know, do we want to set an actual hard deadline for like did when exactly were we gonna start the evaluation? 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1165.65 1166.99 Yeah, I think we both should, yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1169.32 1174.17 Well that's the problem, because Steve hasn't given us any details, has he? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1187.03 1188.05 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1185.04 1187.03 And could actually be fun. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1181.39 1185.04 I mean that's that's fairly straight-forward. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1179.2 1181.39 come up with scenarios, that sort of thing. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1190.34 1190.58 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1174.27 1179.2 Well we yeah, I guess well we can still come up with like test cases or whatever for for the people and just yeah,
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1173.58 1174.27 Mm 'kay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1188.05 1190.34 That's true, just brain-storm, yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1180.45 1181.19 That's true. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1184.86 1186.81 I I'm sure we could do that in like a meeting 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1187.98 1189.57 and make it up together. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1189.57 1189.89 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1191.17 1191.47 Um 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1195.97 1203.1 but we won't be able to do any evaluation during the weekend anyway, so I think we could set Monday. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1193.08 1195.97 the thing is yeah, we had the the deadline last Friday,
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1193.34 1193.79 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1201.08 1201.89 So we 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1200.23 1201.08 No. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1200.63 1201.41 Yeah, that's true, yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1203.08 1205.94 Yeah, that would be more reasonable. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1205.94 1207.64 'Cause the I. L. is Friday. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1203.2 1203.52 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1205.4 1205.7 Right. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1205.89 1207.27 And that would give us the whole weekend. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1208.99 1210.52 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1207.73 1208.99 To work on it as well. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1214.45 1217.59 I have to read the paper. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1210.52 1214.45 No, I've I've got my D. N. L. G. presentation on Monday. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1217.59 1218.02 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1209.18 1210.32 What? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1218.66 1220.45 Well but yeah, Monday 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1210.32 1215.96 Oh yeah, you have your presenta Right, whatever. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1215.96 1218.66 It's too much now. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1221.17 1221.47 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1222.11 1223.54 we'll try and do Monday. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1223.54 1224.57 Um I mean we could 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1222.68 1223.4 Yeah, I think so. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1226.13 1227.72 Should we meet up Monday? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1228.77 1229.34 Or 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1231.33 1233.83 We'll probably have to talk to Steve at some point as well I guess. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1233.83 1235.15 But um 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1232.08 1232.52 Should we 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1233.84 1234.19 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1235.81 1237.33 Just sh like w 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1242.67 1247.55 He's not around this week, is he or that's why I think that's why we didn't have the the meeting. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1239.49 1242.67 Like we can send him an email, but I don't know if he's around even. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1236.76 1239.49 I'll probably just have a regular Tuesday meeting with him. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1242.27 1242.68 Just 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1241.52 1242.27 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1245.04 1245.39 I don't know. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1245.39 1246.31 I think it was. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1246.3 1247.69 Don't know. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1247.69 1248.99 Maybe it's just a day, I don't know. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1249 1249.43 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1249.39 1250.03 Yeah, 'kay. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1249.7 1250 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1250.7 1251.8 He'll probably re-do it anyway. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1251.8 1252.05 So 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1250.11 1250.7 Send him an email. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1254.3 1257.86 S s So if we don't ask we can push it off and 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1252.61 1254.3 Although do we really want the answer. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1251.8 1252.61 Yeah, it's true. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1251.9 1252.04 Okay. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1255.64 1255.96 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1254.82 1255.64 Okay. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1258.14 1261.95 At the end we'll say, yeah but you never gave us any test subjects. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1256.96 1258.14 Exactly, yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1255.43 1256.96 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1257.89 1258.22 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1260.3 1262.2 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1261.55 1262.35 Yeah w 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1264.47 1265.23 Did he say that or what? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1262.28 1264.47 Well so he's supposed to give us test subject. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1267.09 1269.33 He would he would make something up. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1269.33 1272.72 Ha yeah, find some people, that's how I understood it. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1264.39 1267.09 Well sort of, that's how I understood it. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1272.72 1274 Um the thing is, you know 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1265.63 1267.08 He said he might he would try. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1268.8 1269.16 Okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1270.1 1271.75 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1272.58 1273.12 Yeah, that's 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1271.75 1272.58 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1272.11 1282.1 'Cause we're gonna get an email on our uh M. S. C. list saying from Steve, we need volunt yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1272.11 1272.49 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1277.93 1279.17 We're looking for volunteers. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1276.3 1277.93 You're right, yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1282.07 1290.05 Um I think if we if we don't get anything from him, then we should just do our friends basically. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1279.56 1282.07 Yes. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1281.17 1281.44 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1290.13 1290.28 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1290.36 1292.24 Yeah, if they have time. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1292.24 1293.46 It's hard finding people. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1305.1 1308.68 We need to use each other for those 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1296.3 1300.67 They're gonna need us for like perception projects and things like that. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1292.2 1296.3 Well th they gonna u need us. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1300.67 1305.1 So yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1294.26 1294.54 Hmm. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1295.39 1297.86 Well they're your friends, so they should 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1296.74 1298.33 Yeah yeah I know, but 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1303.7 1305.04 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1302.1 1303.7 Yeah, that's true. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1300.6 1302.1 Yeah, that's true. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1299.97 1300.6 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1305.04 1305.31 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1300.84 1301.81 But it's not gonna take long. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1301.81 1303.89 It's only only gonna be half an hour maybe. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1306.49 1306.91 Um 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1325.65 1327.5 Set a wider range of people. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1323.3 1325.65 I think that might be good, as well. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1308.98 1313.1 Actually some other friends of mine in different programmes might might be more willing. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1313.1 1314.82 Have more of a break. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1306.8 1308.98 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1317.72 1323.3 Like not like highly computer lit like not, you know, Linux literate or yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1314.82 1317.72 So that might be an idea, get a range of types of people as well. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1312.25 1316.08 Yeah, that's true. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1321.02 1322.03 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1322.03 1323.02 It'll have to be, yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1318.49 1320.05 Maybe, yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1320.05 1321.02 Well it will be. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1325.04 1325.38 Hmm. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1326.57 1327.31 So 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1327.51 1329.9 So how many people do we uh try and 'cause it 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1353.05 1354.07 Oh yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1354.07 1355.72 S We don't want to. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1338.72 1339.75 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1329.5 1331.65 Uh no, I think like three or four maybe. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1347.18 1347.9 And that was fine. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1337.75 1338.72 No. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1339.75 1346.36 Like the thing like did an H. C. I. course a while ago and it's just that's what these yeah, there's three people. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1331.65 1337.75 Bet that would be a good yeah, I think that d No, that's that's a lot. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1346.36 1347.18 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1351.44 1352.2 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1352.2 1353.05 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1347.9 1351.44 Then you can do a massive amount of analysis on three people. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1332.65 1333.58 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1331.53 1332.65 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1332.63 1333.68 Really? 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1335.54 1336.68 Fifteen. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1333.68 1335.54 I was thinking of like ten. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1335.28 1339.14 No, it'll take forever, and then you gotta analyse the results. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1339.14 1340.88 No no no no no, forget it. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1339.57 1340.2 Uh 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1345.97 1346.3 Really? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1350.96 1352.15 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1351.02 1351.48 Really? 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1354.93 1357 How can you get a range of people if you have three? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1357.05 1369.41 Yeah, but one computer scientist one l and one dude off the street. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1360.76 1361.94 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1363.89 1365.92 And then one's supposed to be a woman. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1377.89 1378.1 Oh yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1365.92 1369.05 And one's supposed be a man. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1369.05 1377.89 And one, I don't know. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1357.69 1360.76 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1361.94 1363.89 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1358.48 1360.57 One art student. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1380.94 1382.15 M um 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1369.47 1374.25 yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1379.88 1380.94 If he finds the people. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1374.25 1376.28 Three or four. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1376.28 1377.69 Oh God. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1358.62 1369.47 Yeah, exact exact Mm visible minorities. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1377.69 1379.88 Um but yeah, if he finds them, then that's cool. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1362.75 1365.93 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1372.07 1376.86 Oh dear. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1370.42 1371.83 And hen we should just have two. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1371.83 1372.07 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1376.86 1377.48 Um 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1368.59 1370.42 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1371 1374.9 Yeah, one man, one woman, yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1379.88 1380.19 Yeah, okay. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1382.54 1382.91 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1383.06 1391.83 Another thing, um, we have the we have the um the presentation on like in one and a half weeks or something, whatever it is. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1391.83 1392.83 Or nearly two weeks. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1383.47 1384.39 Should we just yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1385.16 1385.78 Oh, writing up. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1391.57 1391.78 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1392.03 1392.71 Looks brilliant. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1393.59 1395.38 Yeah, it's Tuesday the twenty second. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1395.44 1396.77 Two two two weeks today. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1394.17 1395.44 Two weeks. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1394.7 1397.66 Oh is Tu yeah, it is two weeks then. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1397.66 1400.33 Do we have to have done the evaluation by then? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1397.11 1397.27 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1397.4 1397.81 Okay. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1400.88 1401.1 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1401.59 1402.13 I think so. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1408.82 1409.7 I is it? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1402.42 1406.1 Um I thought the evaluation maybe for the report. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1409.7 1410.8 That's what I understood. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1406.1 1407.52 So th and that's due on the twenty fifth. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1407.52 1408.82 Twenty fifth is is it? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1403.92 1404.48 Well uh 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1406.16 1407.12 When's the report hand-in? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1407.12 1409.62 Is oh right, is that th is that the Friday? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1412.16 1412.78 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1410.76 1412.16 Oh, it's a Thursday. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1412.78 1413.96 So it's not the yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1409.96 1410.76 What? 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1410.01 1410.75 It's the Thursday. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1412.11 1412.99 I think it's the Thursday. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1410.75 1412.11 No, the Thursday, I think. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1411.19 1412.48 The twenty fourth then. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1424.03 1424.18 No. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1420.66 1421.63 Oh yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1426.56 1430.82 So Um Yeah, okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1432.47 1435.67 So that gives us two days to do the uh evaluation. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1412.47 1415 I thought it said twen I thought he said twenty fifth. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1430.82 1432.47 Okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1424.18 1426.56 Well it wasn't originally either. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1437.66 1438.3 And report. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1415 1419.52 Even though it's Good Friday, I thought okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1419.52 1420.66 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1435.67 1437.66 No evaluation I was gonna say. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1421.63 1424.03 Easter two days yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1417.41 1417.83 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1417.75 1421.84 It's not a good Friday if if that's 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1417.91 1419.25 Is that Good Friday already? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1419.4 1421.14 Yeah yeah, that's Good Friday. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1422.21 1422.71 Wow. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1422.76 1425.87 It's not a good Friday if it's a deadline. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1423.14 1423.48 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1424.31 1424.8 No. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1426.94 1429.74 Well it I'm sure on the web-site it says Thursday. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1429.74 1430.07 Hmm. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1427.88 1428.11 No. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1432.02 1432.53 Can have a look. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1434.46 1436.24 The report, yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1437.94 1438.28 No, we p 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1436.24 1437.38 No, okay. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1437.38 1437.94 Oh. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1436.56 1441.09 Well, you know, the the question is, i do we need the evaluation for the presentation. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1445.37 1446.43 But we should ask him. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1441.44 1444.08 I didn't think so necessarily. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1444.08 1445.37 I wouldn't I wouldn't assume. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1448.07 1449.37 Because if not, then 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1446.73 1448.07 We should definitely ask him. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1448.42 1449.24 I thought we would. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1454.91 1458.68 Otherwise it will start to getting b bit tight otherwise. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1451.31 1451.49 Mm. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1451.49 1454.91 oh we should have it we should try and have at it done by then anyway, I think. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1456.41 1459.65 Yeah, that's probably c Like, it's a good target. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1459.65 1461.2 It's a good Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1459.48 1459.65 Oh. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1460.55 1461.74 Yeah, you might be right. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1466.29 1468.85 A week no yeah well, basically for Tuesday. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1468.85 1472.14 Start the evaluation t pretty much straight-away and then get 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1462.47 1466.29 We should aim to be finished by Monday, this Monday coming. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1470.92 1472.05 Mm, right. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1473.64 1475.45 Get s yeah, and then get um 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1475.22 1477.5 Because we need to write a presentation as well. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1476.96 1478.72 We have to write the report, yeah, and everything. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1478.72 1479.5 We have to write everything. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1477.13 1477.37 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1482.76 1485.94 'Cause after Monday I'm pretty much free for about a week or so. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1480.58 1482.76 No, it's it just funny that, you know, have it finish by Monday. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1490.73 1491.02 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1485.94 1490.73 It's like it's like if we had, you know, a bit more time. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1479.02 1480.58 Actually it's fun No. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1485.22 1486.94 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1485.26 1486.68 Exactly, me too. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1486.68 1487.71 That's the point. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1489.16 1490.51 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1491.19 1495.85 Well, I'm not free after this Monday, but I'm free at like after the eighteenth. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1490.51 1491.19 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1493.04 1493.47 Okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1499.6 1503.59 What else uh that's that's easy compared to the other stuff. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1508.27 1508.9 Yeah, okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1507.24 1508.27 Yeah, okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1494.56 1495.58 Oh the next one, okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1495.58 1499.6 See, I'm yeah I'm free this after this Monday, and it's well, why? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1503.59 1505.94 I mean I'm not even worried about that. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1505.94 1507.24 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1495.6 1496.71 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1496.71 1499.79 Oh we have three? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1499.79 1500.56 S. P. two. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1500.22 1505.18 S. P. two. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1502.57 1507.82 Because because I don't have anything after the eighteenth apart from this. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1505.68 1506.21 Aren't you? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1507.8 1508.07 Oh yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1516.52 1520.09 I've not done at all, yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1512.25 1514.32 Is that in on the eighteenth? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1508.13 1512.25 And you must have your research proposal. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1514.32 1516.52 Shit. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1510.57 1510.96 Oh. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1510.69 1512.76 Well that's in on the eighteenth. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1512.76 1513.07 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1514.64 1516.92 Oh yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1513.78 1514.64 You didn't know that? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1516.92 1517.64 How's yours? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1517.63 1517.89 Oh yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1519.29 1520.96 Thank God. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1519.76 1520.22 Ooh. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1521.63 1523.41 So um 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1522.81 1527.85 In our uh timeline we r put in twenty fifth and that's the Friday I think. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1531.43 1532.93 No actually I might have this stuff here. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1527 1527.73 Okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1527.73 1531.43 Maybe that was us then, not him. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1529.86 1535.81 I'm just that's why I'm trying to find his his dates. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1529.27 1529.86 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1535.81 1536.22 Whatever. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1535.71 1536.47 Schedule. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1536.47 1537.57 Yeah, Thursday twenty fourth. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1540.07 1541.64 Deadline for submission of final report. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1540.16 1542.52 We're planning on having a big party on the twenty fourth. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1542.52 1542.83 So 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1546.76 1547.07 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1545.02 1546.76 Well now you can. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1542.89 1545.02 Oh. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1545.57 1547.68 End of lectures. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1550.26 1551.5 So 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1552.09 1553.8 So twenty fourth so it we sh 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1553.38 1555.36 Anyone fancy writing him an email? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1556.06 1557.28 Oh, it's actually twenty fourth. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1558.84 1563.15 Um just to ask whether we need to have the evaluation done for the demonstration? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1563.15 1563.6 Or 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1557.56 1558.84 Yep. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1564.73 1565.59 And 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1563.42 1564.73 That, yep. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1567.53 1568.39 But okay, yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1568.39 1568.58 Sure. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1566.49 1567.53 We should have it done anyways. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1572.74 1577.47 Is is that is that a part of the demonstration, did they want that information, the evaluation as part of yep. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1571.28 1572.74 Hopefully, but yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1573.54 1574.36 So we would def 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1571.62 1573.54 But it's still important to know. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1577.93 1582.47 I mean we need to know that anyway to prepare the presentation in the first place. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1575.84 1577.93 Yeah, yeah yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1582.47 1583.53 And um 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1581.55 1581.73 Right. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1586.6 1587.35 What was the other one. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1588.72 1595.99 Basically, how is how is it going with your evaluation proposal. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1595.99 1600.18 Have you got people yet for us, or what are you thinking, and when? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1595.77 1595.9 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1595.86 1596.28 Oh right. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1607.14 1608.55 Like length or 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1601.31 1607.14 Did he say anything about like h what he expects of the final report and stuff? 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1607.42 1607.93 No. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1615.35 1616.57 But yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1611.85 1615.35 Just general, like how it all integrates, blah blah blah, all this kind of stuff. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1607.81 1609.38 Um there are a f a few little things. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1609.38 1611.85 Um just made some comments the last meeting. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1615.3 1618.7 Do we know did he ever say how long it was supposed to be? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1616.57 1616.95 Only 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1619.97 1622.16 I'd expect somewhere ten to fifteen pages. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1618.99 1619.97 No. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1621.81 1623.65 Mm it's gonna be a lot. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1623.02 1625.13 I mean how long we're this 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1624.06 1627.25 Although it's fifty percent of the mark I think, is it? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1627.25 1627.68 I think. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1627.25 1628.08 One, two 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1628.69 1631.2 I mean I think we should we should write everything. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1627.84 1628.69 But we can write a lot. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1628.87 1629.9 yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1631.74 1633.43 Well we have a bit of time to do the writing up. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1631.19 1631.74 Exactly. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1631.44 1632.58 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1642.52 1645.18 We could p probably just expand that. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1632.58 1642.52 'Cause this I mean We have interim report of seven pages, and that's we can y yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1634.73 1635.24 So that'll be good. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1640.08 1641.64 Seven pages? 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1641.64 1641.77 Oh. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1646.6 1649.09 I mean 'cause it I mean a lot of it's gonna be the same thing. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1649 1649.78 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1649.78 1652.01 Just a fine-tuned or detailed and yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1650.51 1650.91 True. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1651.78 1652.29 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1658 1658.22 But 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1652.29 1656.33 And then I mean write about the evala evaluation and stuff. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1656.33 1658 That's gonna be quite a few pages. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1653.15 1653.59 More stuff. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1655.9 1656.76 Yeah, we can n 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1657.17 1660.13 Yeah, that could be yeah, that could easily be five or six pages. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1659.15 1661.12 So I don't think 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1662.37 1662.99 Yeah, should be good. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1662.61 1664.73 page is gonna be problem. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1666.26 1666.62 Okay. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1666.82 1667.22 But uh 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1672.84 1673.26 That'd be good. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1670.52 1672.84 So do you wanna write him an email then? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1672.53 1672.83 Sure. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1675.17 1675.86 Um 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1678.5 1682.96 And uh when I get home today, which will be before 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1684.37 1684.96 um 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1686.22 1691.92 before half past six, I will make that file readable, writable, everything. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1691.43 1692.62 Yeah, no no big rush. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1690.46 1691.43 Oh yeah, sure. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1693.18 1694.04 Uh-uh. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1694.04 1695.17 Well I I will 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1695.01 1696.04 Although just to get it out of the way. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1696.04 1699.52 So I'll try and remember to do that to my own s 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1699.06 1706 Well I will I will need your snippets of code or it'd be good if I had them by tomorrow evening. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1704.28 1704.54 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1706.39 1706.63 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1708.21 1708.4 Yep. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1709.35 1711.05 Oh, I was gonna ask um 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1712.89 1714.34 at the moment your search window, 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1715.65 1716.57 how is it organised? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1722.01 1725.65 Just um sorta like Google type thing and just um Oh. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1717.32 1722.01 Just basic um pretty much like the interim do you wanna do you have the interim stuff? 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1733.57 1733.95 Okay. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1725.07 1728.09 But at the beginning, it when you haven't searched yet 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1728.09 1733.57 is it is it just is it still divided into two and the bottom half is just just empty? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1732.66 1732.88 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1731.59 1732.66 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1735.17 1737.64 Then as these come up it'll just pop 'em in there. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1738.82 1741.81 And then if you, I don't know, double-click on one 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1747.44 1750.73 I mean how to get that that communication between the two different kinds of windows. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1742.33 1744.29 It doesn't do anything yet. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1744.29 1747.44 S like that's that's the other big part. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1744.58 1744.86 Okay. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1754.3 1754.62 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1759.46 1764.41 um that was why it was sorta deciding to get the three panes in there instead of just the one. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1754.61 1759.46 Because the thing is if we have different things in here, like transcripts versus summaries versus topics 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1764.41 1764.93 Um 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1758.87 1759.63 Yeah yeah yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1760.63 1760.86 Hmm. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1766.99 1773.47 Yeah, so so there's a couple of those little things as we Yeah, exact It's beautiful. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1773.47 1775.29 Yeah, m M. makes more sense. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1768.02 1773.81 Well y y this this is the icon by the way. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1770.74 1771.1 Hmm. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1775.59 1784.51 Um, yeah, maybe you wanna do um left-handed um yeah, one left-click um highlights the the result in whatever you've got open. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1784.84 1785.74 Okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1791.83 1792.19 Or 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1785.74 1787.79 Is that how it works in the other ones? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1787.79 1791.83 In like the other windows like the various like um if we're in the topic. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1788.05 1788.47 Which other ones? 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1798.12 1798.47 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1791.85 1798.12 Usually one left click, it's highlights it cross-highlights everything, I think. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1789.69 1791.85 Um yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1799.27 1804.2 If you have like a particular w window that you want me to mimic its behaviour,
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1804.2 1808.25 then like just find it in the programme and just say, okay, just how this one does it. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1808.25 1810.51 So if it's like the topic window or the whatever. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1810.08 1811.85 Mm well it's difficult, because 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1816.63 1822.41 So then I can just sorta trace back and figure out what objects they are and bring 'em into here. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1822.41 1822.72 So 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1816.79 1817.67 Well you could look up 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1823.47 1825.33 Mm no, that's difficult. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1825.33 1827.97 Because it the transcription window does cross-highlighting. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1829.24 1832.9 In a very awkward way, because it has to find the topic first. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1832.9 1835.84 That was that was a pain. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1830.85 1831.1 Hmm. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1832.82 1833.09 Okay. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1846.82 1853.63 And um and that works when you when you left-double-click on a topic oh, on a meeting, sorry, then it loads it. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1837.44 1846.82 And um when you when you g um right-click on a topic, it pops open the list of meetings that contain that pop po topic. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1854.42 1854.67 Okay. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1854.7 1855.3 So you could 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1856.45 1857.69 you could take that for loading. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1858.1 1858.27 Right. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1859.71 1865.25 So if we have that um the same on this one, at least that you if you double-left-lick, then it loads. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1867.23 1867.61 Okay. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1872.39 1872.7 Mm. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1874.78 1875.24 Mm. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1875.81 1878.63 So one left click just highlights Is that? 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1879.94 1885.5 I mean a hi obviously highlights whatever you've clicked on here, but also highlights um 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1878.47 1879.94 Highlights um yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1883 1884.13 Oh just the item in 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1885.7 1886.95 The transcript or whatever it is. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1888.48 1889.69 Actually it's difficult, because 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1888.86 1889.14 The 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1893.09 1893.97 Can I have it? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1893.92 1895.61 If even if we could just 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1902.31 1903.33 then it could cross-highlight. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1894.84 1902.31 Because you n you don't you only ever have one meeting open and those results will be op I well I suppose if you have a if you have a local search 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1895.11 1896.05 Well, the one meeting. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1905.72 1906.94 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1906.94 1907.85 That should be possible. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1909.32 1915.06 Because you know, if you get back several different meetings here and you've only got one meeting open, then you can't cross out anything. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1909.61 1909.76 Right. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1912.21 1912.42 Oh yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1920.57 1926.23 then we are gonna do it like how we said before and pop up a list of the various meetings that found those terms. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1928.99 1933.37 choose the one we wanna actually do this wi I think multi-select would make the most sense. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1955.71 1958.21 And if we can yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1926.23 1928.99 And then we'll either, you know, multi-select or, you know 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1915.5 1919.44 Although, yeah, this this will uh this is actually different from how we print it up here. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1940.86 1946.15 To actually look for the terms we're not loading it on a val of seventy six I mean or seventy five, whatever it is. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1963.72 1964.62 Yep. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1946.15 1953.08 Um so the r the results from that will, you know, narrow down what we're gonna use for the local search. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1937.27 1940.86 language, we're looking for the l word language and get the highest-rated ones. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1958.21 1963.72 So it it will be a bit different from from how that is right now when when we do the global search at least. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1933.37 1937.27 Well just um if there's like three of the top meetings, like like we said before,
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1919.44 1920.57 Like if we're doing a global search 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1953.08 1955.71 Then we'll just do the local search on those ones that are chosen. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1926.51 1926.86 Okay. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1932.67 1933.95 What do you mean by multi-select? 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1944.55 1945.06 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1945.06 1945.61 Oh, okay. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1956.63 1957.8 Oh, I see what you mean, yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1957.8 1958.13 Okay. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1974.1 1974.42 So 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1972.95 1974.1 If not, it can't. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 1962.79 1972.95 Well i i i in any case, if you left-click on on a result that is contained in the meeting that is currently open, then it should cross-highlight. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1972.54 1974.07 Yes, yes. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1974.07 1975.08 Exactly, yep. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 1985.35 1985.5 Okay. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1985.55 1993.95 Um it should be fairly simple to just get the topics and the summaries fro using that text extractor thingy you wrote, Ray. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2000.97 2001.42 Uh yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1996.55 2000.97 It's just do topics instead of seg yeah, you have to get the topics out instead of the segments. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 1994.96 1996.55 Yeah, you have to start again. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 1996.31 1997.94 You just like or 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2000.66 2000.93 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2003.07 2004.35 Excuse me. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2004.35 2007.38 I just realised I haven't done that part yet. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2004.26 2004.71 Hmm. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 2006.17 2006.77 Can you make 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 2007.81 2014.93 Is it d very difficult to make another another GUI, but only for a global search? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2016.65 2019.59 Um so that we search two different 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 2019.3 2024.9 Just just take that away, the the local check-box. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 2024.9 2026.5 Because um hmm? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2021.55 2022.78 Right. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2022.78 2024.22 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2024.22 2026.34 That's actually fairly 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2025.69 2026.81 Oh. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2024.66 2025.69 To have for the start-up. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2026.81 2027.85 To have for the start-up. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2027.85 2028.2 Uh-huh. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 2027.72 2029.79 Yeah, because in the start-up screen you can't have a 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2031.43 2032.27 No, that's easy. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2030.17 2031.43 You know, local anyways, yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2033.93 2035.97 That's that's quite t straight-forward. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2032.27 2033.93 Sure, yep. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 2037.98 2041.34 In fact you can just leave everything as it is and just remove the check-box. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 2035.75 2037.98 Everything else can just stay the same, you know. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 2033.42 2035.75 That'd be really handy. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 2032.31 2033.42 Yeah, would you make that? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2037.78 2037.97 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2041.69 2042.17 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 2045.84 2049.34 Radio button. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2046.69 2049.42 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2049.19 2051.71 To you're gonna be able to do a global search for topics? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2054.38 2059.32 Yeah g uh that was li like yeah, if I'll make a just index 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2060.73 2062.64 Yeah, I didn't think you'd bother with that, but yeah, cool. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2066.25 2067.26 Yeah, it does, isn't it. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2055.69 2057.67 Is that what you mean, yeah? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2062.64 2064.44 I didn't think we're gonna bother with that. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2059.65 2060.35 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2067.26 2067.54 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2060.35 2060.73 Okay. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2064.44 2066.25 But yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2059.02 2059.65 Okay. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2057.67 2059.02 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2057.1 2058.44 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2058.44 2058.94 Exactly. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2062.62 2062.8 What? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2066.36 2067.34 It would be kinda cool 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2064.89 2066.36 Well it it kinda makes sense. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2065.07 2070.67 Well I I mean I I'm f it's not first priority maybe, but don't know. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2070.67 2071.27 But uh 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2079.15 2080.53 Well you are you are, I guess. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2073.1 2075.11 Or is that sorta gone like our own topic segment. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2075.11 2077.6 Like since we can't do the labelling and all the rest. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2077.6 2079.15 We are still doing our topic segment? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2069.01 2073.1 Actually, are we bothering with our topic stuff still? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2069.6 2069.89 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2073.15 2073.49 With 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2072.88 2073.15 What? 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2079.19 2084.41 Well we'll certainly do it enough to make it so we can do some numerical analysis on the Yeah, but at at the very least. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2090.96 2091.32 Probably? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2082.48 2083.16 Okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2096.73 2097.4 I don't know. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2099.51 2099.61 Mm. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2097.4 2099.51 Okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2092.33 2094.91 La label all the label ones I'll open 'em. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2091.32 2092.33 Okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2083.16 2090.96 But we're not gonna be we won't be l doing a global search on the topics for our topics, since they don't have labels. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2094.91 2096.73 Yeah, all the label twos, yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 2083.17 2083.42 Mm. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2094.08 2096.42 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2096.42 2098.21 Uh yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2107.05 2107.16 So 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2103.4 2107.05 I don't think we can expect you to also come up with the search thing for it as well. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2098.21 2099.34 No, we won't be doing that. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2092.46 2094.08 Exactly. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2099.34 2103.4 Well yeah, even if even if I happen to manage to make it decent keywords 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2090.6 2092.46 No. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2091.51 2094.29 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2105.77 2106.42 Yeah, okay. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2107.01 2108.71 Well no, it will be kind of straight-forward. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2108.71 2110.92 Like if you're creating if you're creating X. M. L. files of this 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2106.42 2107.01 Yeah, okay. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2109.98 2111.83 But if I collate yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2108.77 2109.98 Would, yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2125.31 2127.81 But it's but it's organising the segment data though. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2119.92 2122 It did look like a quite a a mission really. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2127.81 2130.44 It would just looks so complicated to get it from 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2111.83 2115.07 Yeah, if I create X. M. L. files, but if I m I'm not gonna do that. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2122 2125.31 I suppose it's not it's it's as straightforward as writing in X. M. L. files. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2115.07 2119.92 Um I did have a look at trying to create X. M. L. files. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2114.3 2114.61 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2147.71 2148.27 But 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2145.89 2147.71 But yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2142.88 2145.89 But Organise it by time not by speaker. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2132.03 2142.88 the um from a plain text file back into organise it by who which speaker speaks what and how n doing the segment I think that was the stupidest way they could ever have organised the whole thing if you ask me. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2135 2135.39 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2135.36 2135.62 Hmm. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2147.17 2147.38 Hmm. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2149.59 2152.01 So I don't know really what we're gonna do about that. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 2159.25 2159.61 Okay. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2160.53 2161.69 Yeah. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2162.8 2163.63 I guess we just 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2161.69 2162.8 Yeah. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 2160.87 2161.23 Are we done? 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2164.82 2172.03 see what Steve says about the re-evaluation and then like we'll keep in touch by email if we need 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2166.41 2166.59 Yeah. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2169.42 2169.69 Yep. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2172.96 2173.14 Right. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2174.1 2175.55 I guess we will see you on Thursday. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2173.35 2174.1 anything. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2175.85 2177.17 Mm. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2177.89 2178.48 And Monday. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2179.27 2180.12 Mm-hmm. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2179.89 2180.44 D. N. L. G. . 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2181.05 2181.69 Yeah, we don't. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2181.69 2183.66 Do we need another meeting this week? 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2183.71 2184.35 Hmm. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2184.98 2187.91 I mean just get work done. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2187.91 2189.84 I think that's what I've gotta do. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2184.35 2184.98 Probably not. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2190.12 2192.51 We can just email if we need other 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2190.35 2190.67 Mm. 
EN2002d H03 MEE073 2192.17 2192.42 Yeah. 
EN2002d H02 MEE071 2192.66 2192.96 Mm. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 2193.62 2193.98 Hmm. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2195.89 2196.64 I guess. 
EN2002d H01 FEO072 2201.8 2202.21 Okay. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2202.81 2204.03 Hooray. 
EN2002d H00 FEO070 2207.62 2207.85 Okay. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 15.92 16.36 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 14.41 15.92 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 21 23.57 but it's only if I go back to it I tick okay again. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 16.76 21 Can you just remind me, I don't have to tick the no n okay thing until I finish writing 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 21.32 21.61 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 25.24 25.49 Mm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 27.06 27.23 Yep. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 27.88 32.56 So if you've um if you're back to a page, then you tick it again to leave it for the second time. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 42.5 46.28 So if I'm working o if I've done a page, I'm on the second page,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 56.61 56.77 Fine. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 55.31 56.61 Fine. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 46.28 52.75 I tick it so um I finish that page and I go back to this, I can just write and then not tick until I finish writing again. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 52.75 55.31 Yeah, so it's always after, n you never have to it before. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 42.7 43.04 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 54.46 54.65 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 63.75 64.12 Okay. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 64 65.04 I don't believe all this stuff. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 65.04 65.84 It's just amazing. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 69.31 70.81 And you can go on both sides as well. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 73.23 73.93 Okay. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 74.37 76.51 Yeah, right. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 79.06 79.73 What have we got? 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 76.51 79.06 Where should we start? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 78.16 79.34 Well, I think the first thing is 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 88.45 91.5 because I think that's kind of overdue. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 104.12 104.96 So 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 100.19 104.12 Um uh okay. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 93.49 100.19 Um so I volunteer to do that if you like. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 91.5 93.49 Yeah? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 80.87 88.45 Well, the first thing I think is we need to uh sort out the call for abstracts or the c the call for titles 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 87.88 88.26 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 88.79 89.15 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 91.21 91.51 Right. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 100.68 102.12 Yep. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 100.28 100.68 Fine. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 100.31 100.96 Yeah, right. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 107.39 108.31 And I'll do that 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 110.21 115.17 by Trying to think, what is it Thursday today, I'll d I'll do that by the end of the week anyway. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 118.11 118.27 So 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 125.12 130.53 you know, you're we're inviting like from quite a wide audience we give priority to linguists? 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 118.6 125.12 And um you're gonna was it your idea to stick the bit in it where you say um uh,
EN2003a H03 MEO074 129.49 129.71 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 137.85 142.44 So we'll send one, but weren't men I mean we could mention the fact that we're inviting other people 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 156.97 160.58 you know, they're gonna lose their place or whatever, because uh I don't know. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 130.31 137.85 Yeah, we're gonna do that, but I think we should s probably send out um separate calls, okay. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 148.88 156.97 We can mention it, but it's not gonna be too essential and uh we might actually just end up making them worry that,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 142.44 148.88 but I think it will probably just uh I mean it probably won't matter too much to the other linguists that we're having other people there. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 150 150.43 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 159.47 159.88 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 162.66 163.17 That's 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 160.69 162.66 I thi separate course is good idea. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 159.81 160.69 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 162.69 169.04 But we do we do have to decide a priority thing, so that's something else we can look at um a little bit 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 173.26 179.44 So so that's the one for ling basically and I'll send that out. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 171.08 173.26 later down the line. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 172.87 173.2 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 185.08 186.32 I'll do that today or tomorrow. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 195.82 196.32 Um 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 189.09 195.82 Um now Claire, that's the other thing, she can deal with the Psychology. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 207.05 208.5 So um 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 199.11 202.79 Psychology people, probably that's I reckon it's the best thing to do. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 202.79 207.05 'Cause she'll know which email address to use and and everything else. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 205.61 205.89 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 206.06 206.51 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 209.72 211.52 if one of us could email Claire. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 212.3 212.56 Mm yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 214.49 219.92 Is it was that a volunteering yeah, or great. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 218.11 219.29 Okay, yeah, so if Robert 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 218.19 219.07 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 219.07 219.92 Yeah, when in doubt. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 220.55 229.3 So i if Robert emails Claire and we're n gonna need to decide exactly what she's gonna say on there. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 229.3 230.28 Um 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 231.34 231.59 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 231.56 238.08 we might need to just remind her of the dates in case she doesn't know, so she gets the dates right. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 236.26 236.6 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 239.37 240.04 Um 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 246.55 253.66 And uh um she's I know she already knows that it's just anyone doing psycho-linguistics basically. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 253.66 254.53 So that's fine. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 251.87 252.16 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 255.26 257 And that should kinda take care of itself as well. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 257 260.82 If she just sends one round around to everyone, then only the psycho-linguists will say what was for me. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 259.7 259.94 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 262.37 262.7 Exactly. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 261.23 262.37 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 264.01 265.02 Um 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 266.52 270.33 But then there's the rest of P. P. L. S. and I think we need to decide whether 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 270.27 278.41 But the the text for the actual call, is she going to re-work something or uh she should 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 269.67 270.27 Right. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 277.23 280.06 I think she should just I think she should just write her own. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 280.91 281.25 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 282.69 283.56 And 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 281.77 282.69 Probably. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 283.88 290.38 I think she might be glad to see kinda there linguistics to adapt. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 290.38 291.45 That's always quite helpful. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 289.64 296.07 So what we'll do I mean the thing is the the main call will go out before she's got round to it anyway. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 289.27 289.64 Okay. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 297.68 300.64 I'll C. C. her on the um 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 296.07 297.68 So what I'll do is I'll copy it. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 293.51 293.82 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 296.42 296.62 Yep. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 299.08 299.47 Mm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 301.02 304.01 I mean 'cause I can't imagine there'd be an essential difference really between the 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 312.29 317.75 that they don't go oh, we're just getting rubbish from y you know what I mean. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 304.7 312.29 I just th the only thing I'm thinking is I want to make sure that it stands out as something applicable to them,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 320.68 328.67 Um and the good thing about Claire sending it is she's probably got a psych email address as well and it it might look a bit more relevant to them. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 317.75 320.68 I want them to really know that it's addressed to them. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 304.02 304.7 No, they won't be. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 315.33 315.8 Right, yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 315.67 316.31 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 316.31 316.77 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 321.66 321.77 Ab 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 326.01 326.42 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 331.38 331.9 That's that thing. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 330.26 331.38 They know her. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 328.64 330.26 Not certain anyway. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 330.25 331.82 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 331.82 333.83 They know her, et cetera. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 333.83 342.89 Um so yeah, so if if we've s if I've C. C. ed the original one, then you can tell her that that can be the basis for 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 341.27 341.53 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 344.04 350.06 um the basis for her email, but just make sure that they know it's relevant to them, et cetera. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 345.99 346.3 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 358.13 358.54 Now 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 353.36 358.13 Um and obviously in P. P. L. S. we've also got English language. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 390.41 398.49 And so I think we should invite them, but then we've still got the problem of uh a priority issue. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 360.13 365.9 in a way we could send out that first call to them, just as part of the same email 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 411.36 415.39 But then there's a kind of awkward question of where we put first-years, because they don't need to. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 373.28 377.57 But um I think we definitely should open it up to English language. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 415.39 417.72 If they want to, should they have priority? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 385.98 390.41 even though it should be meaningless, because we're all part of a school, I think that it does actually make a difference. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 377.57 385.98 Um I think particularly at the moment, 'cause they're really trying to sort of uh merge us into one subject area,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 398.49 411.36 So, you know, probably what I was thinking is um certainly second and third-years absolutely need to be uh top on top priority. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 365.9 370.77 because I think they're more likely to think it was relevant to them. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 371.49 373.28 I don't really know what you think about that. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 370.77 371.49 I don't really know. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 372.07 372.49 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 382.1 382.39 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 385.91 386.34 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 409.8 410.11 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 419.02 419.38 Mm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 419.4 425.29 This is a kind of lower point but uh it kind of it crosses over with deciding 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 426.67 428.03 what we're gonna do when we uh 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 430.52 435.26 Well do we have um a d an idea of how many people were gonna 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 442.29 449.89 Then we just subtract the number of second and third year students and then everything else is just I'd I would favour doing it just on a first come first serve basis. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 436.88 439.18 actually have at the whole thing? 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 439.18 442.29 Any kind of because then it because seems to me it could be quite obvious. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 439.24 440.96 Well 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 441.83 443.49 I don't think so. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 443.7 444.25 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 444.66 445.06 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 446.68 447.13 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 449.49 449.84 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 451.09 451.46 Okay. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 457.26 457.92 And then 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 452.52 457.26 I w well let's send out the call as soon as possible, see what reactions we get. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 457.81 458.2 Okay. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 459.07 465.72 But I mean if we're like so, mean, we were gonna do this thing for um I can't even remember, was it two or three days? 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 459.88 461.97 See if we have to put on some restraints. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 466.32 467.92 It's three days. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 468.32 472.47 And so how many how many posters and talks are we gonna actually gonna get in? 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 467.94 468.32 Okay. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 470.06 471.74 Right. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 479.16 485.99 And you can run two in a row, but probably not up to three. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 471.74 479.16 The uh uh they were twenty twenty minute talks with ten minute uh question time, okay. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 485.99 488.7 Two what do you think, two in a row or three in a row? 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 473.46 474.15 Let's see. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 478.37 478.77 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 479.08 480.08 Mm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 483.29 487.16 Up to three, but don't exaggerate, yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 489.73 491.36 If you do two in a row then that's an hour, isn't it? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 491.96 492.2 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 492.04 492.63 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 492.53 493.09 Um 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 494.36 496 and then give it a twenty minute break perhaps. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 498.34 504.52 I mean the thing is every time we have a break, there's a question of whether we actually serve coffee and biscuits and things 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 496.68 498.34 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 504.52 507.45 because that's the kinda normal thing to do. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 497.06 497.98 Or 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 498.24 498.73 Mm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 501.23 501.64 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 506.25 509.98 I'm thinking if we go for say 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 515.65 523.28 So three lectures each, that would be uh three per day times three will be twenty seven. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 513.34 515.65 I'm thinking uh slots of one and a half hour each. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 523.96 530.97 So are you saying have, say, three sessions in a row and then do that twice in the morning and twice in the afternoon? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 530.97 532.12 So that'd be six hours. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 527.32 527.7 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 531.21 532.99 Once in the morning, twice in the afternoon. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 535.24 537.13 Oh, so just have an hour and a half in the morning. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 537.11 537.91 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 537.91 540.39 I mean or twice in the morning once in the afternoon. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 543.71 546.15 Not necessarily, because I mean the good think is n 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 539.45 543.71 'Cause I mean would six hours a day be pushing it? 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 546.89 548.89 Would we get that many people wanting to give talks? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 561.44 565.98 then have an hour and a half, then have lunch, hour and a half, coffee break, hour and a half. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 557.01 561.44 So I think that's about as much as we could do, to have an hour and a half, then have a coffee break,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 565.98 571.29 And so that would be eighteen hours of talks overall, wouldn't it? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 550.51 557.01 Well I suppose what we can do is think about the structure now and say right, what's the maximum we can do? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 571.29 572.46 But what do we say? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 577.8 579.5 Maximum thirty six. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 572.46 577.8 So it's th so it's twelve thirty six talks, is that right? 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 556.2 556.53 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 572.34 572.62 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 576.17 576.51 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 577.12 577.41 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 581.74 583.55 Um 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 584.66 585.92 Okay, let's just put this down. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 599.14 600.66 How many second and third year 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 602.72 603.84 um students are there? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 607.61 609.04 Uh 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 619.09 622.64 Um there are probably about thirty on there. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 610.79 619.09 Well I could look 'cause I I've got that there's the list, isn't there, of post-graduates I maintain in in linguistics. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 623.04 623.72 Right, okay. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 625.57 632.88 Um but a good number of them are first-years, and I don't know I mean just to get an idea, are you planning on talking? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 634.35 635.62 And I'm probably not. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 632.88 633.1 No. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 633.1 634.35 Are you planning, Robert? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 640.84 642.85 Um so 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 635.62 640.84 So there's a good chance that almost none of the first-years are gonna volunteer. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 632.44 632.67 No. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 633.7 634.05 No. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 639.52 639.87 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 645.22 649.48 if we had say twenty linguistics and even then 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 659.66 668.43 and then we could be left with uh fifteen blocks for um the rest of P. P. L. S. . 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 649.48 655.74 I mean there are quite a few people who are abroad and who won't bother to turn up or can't make it or whatever. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 655.74 659.66 So, you know, it might be that we only get say fifteen anyway 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 670.44 677.79 So at least we know that that we've got an absolute limit of about thirty-six talks, yeah? 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 677.1 677.43 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 681.46 682.2 Um 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 685.41 686.57 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 692.6 694.65 We're also gonna be having posters, aren't we. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 694.65 698.43 And I should imagine that most people would rather do a poster than give a talk. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 707.19 712.14 because people will hang around, whereas people are more likely to go off somewhere for lunch, aren't they? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 696.54 697.85 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 697.85 698.75 Okay. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 698.75 703.56 And that's that's what uh the coffee breaks will be for, and maybe lunchtimes. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 703.56 707.19 But coffee breaks are probably more like ab or are gonna be a better time,
EN2003a H03 MEO074 698.19 698.55 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 714.61 721.75 But w wouldn't we want to actually just like dedicate an afternoon or a morning to being a poster session? 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 713.48 714.61 Uh yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 721.9 724.12 Yeah, that's what I was about to say 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 724.12 731.51 poster session is a good idea because just the people presenting the posters are there and can say something about it. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 731.51 732.11 Actually 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 720.67 721.9 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 719.88 720.67 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 721.84 722.19 Okay. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 730.41 730.8 Mm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 733.97 741.09 there's always the problem again then the people who are presenting the posters don't get around to go and look at others' posters. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 741.09 742.55 But let's see about that. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 751.56 754.98 if your name is in the first half of the alphabet you can move and the other ones can't. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 747.33 751.56 Um I mean it's the thing about posters, unless you kind of say, you know 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 741.96 747.33 But um people kinda like generally sort of sort them out themsel that sort that out themselves. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 740.02 741.96 Yeah yeah yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 745.31 745.65 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 745.35 745.74 Mm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 751.35 752.14 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 752.14 752.47 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 755 759.65 So uh how long should a poster session be? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 759.65 762.64 Like how long will people want to mill around for looking at 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 762.54 764.75 I'd make it a whole morning or a whole afternoon. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 766.59 770.95 I mean the ju just because like ones that I've been to as well, um 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 772.34 774.25 people tend to kinda come and go from them. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 775.36 776.04 Um 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 776.82 777.15 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 778.55 784.05 I don't know, I mean I I I'd say a whole either a whole morning or a whole afternoon um at least. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 784.05 786.43 But that's just ju I mean just based on the ones that I've been to. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 783.36 783.67 Okay. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 787.19 789.82 So that means we could have thirty talks. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 791.84 792.46 Plus 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 793.6 797.02 uh one A. M. or P. M. of posters. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 798.22 798.52 Yeah? 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 798.9 799.29 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 801.52 806.06 And we could probably get quite a few in there, at least six anyway. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 806.66 807.45 At least six. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 809.47 811.71 At least six posters, if you see what I mean. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 811.71 814.93 During the session, like how many can you have going on at once? 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 811.16 811.58 Oh right. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 811.58 812.29 Okay, yeah, yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 820.82 823.96 I mean would we have poster boards or is it just gonna be posters on the walls? 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 815.7 819.39 Um well that's just kind of dictated by the size of the room really, isn't it? 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 819.39 820.82 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 818.23 819.58 Wall space and 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 830.93 833.83 So n so none of us have been to this before. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 825.3 828.16 They did it like um I ha I should have found this out. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 833.83 834.17 Right. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 830.24 830.93 You're both first year. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 828.16 830.24 Are you guys second years or first years? 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 826.05 827.84 Do we have any information on this? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 829.96 830.53 First years. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 830.27 830.88 First years. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 834.04 841.3 I've been to Durham uh post-graduate conference and I mean every conference I've ever been to,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 832.87 834.04 No. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 841.3 847.15 the posters have always been in the coffee break, which is why probably, because normally they're limited on space and they 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 838.46 838.91 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 845.23 845.34 Oh. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 857.76 863.52 The intention was to use it as a way to introduce incoming post-grad students to the department's research culture. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 850.75 855.02 Poster session was introduced in nineteen ninety nine as part of the main conference. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 847.25 850.75 Actually, we have a message here from Mits about the poster session. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 855.02 857.76 In two thousand it was held separately in October. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 863.52 870.2 However, I did not pursue this idea the following year because the comments I received from students in two thousand were generally discouraging. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 850.14 850.56 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 871.36 877.53 On the other hand, I later learned that some students did find the October poster session quite a useful experience. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 877.53 884.87 My suggestion therefore is to re-examine the idea of poster session altogether and find a better way to implement it if there seems to be enough interest in it. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 885.43 886.45 Well, I think keeping it 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 887.69 894.24 um along-side the conference is possibly one way of maintaining interest and 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 890.61 890.89 Mm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 892.37 892.91 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 894.18 899.85 One possibility is to put it back in the main conference and let people choose between a paper presentation and a poster. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 892.91 894.18 Last sentence. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 897.26 897.57 And uh 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 899.65 904.3 Yeah, I think that's definitely the idea, I think the best idea. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 904.3 912.33 I can imagine it would seem a bit random just have like a poster session and bes uh yeah, just have a p a poster session um 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 899.9 900.82 Yeah, I think so. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 902.99 903.3 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 914.73 919.99 So I suppose it is it normally uh second years do it like just after they've come back for the s 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 913.73 914.73 What would it be at the beginning? 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 913.84 914.14 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 921.01 921.21 The 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 921.51 921.8 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 922.67 925.05 Oh you mean um uh w on the October thing? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 925.04 926.63 That's what it would be, I think. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 927.18 935.15 it seemed to me that he was saying that everyone would do it ju because its goal was to give the new in-take uh idea of 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 926.34 927.18 I thought uh well 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 927.49 927.65 It 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 933.61 933.91 Mm yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 934.02 936.86 Yeah, but I d I don't think he means that it would be 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 941.26 942.3 That would be a bit odd, wouldn't it? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 938.5 941.26 the first-years who've only just arrived would do a poster. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 941.11 942.73 Oh no no no no yeah, yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 952.29 956.19 But um so that's good anyway. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 948.66 952.29 Yeah, I I might do, I d I still th I'm little bit doubtful. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 943.25 948.66 Okay, so at least anyone who's feeling yeah, exactly. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 956.19 956.65 So 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 945.23 947.18 But a poster I might do. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 960.38 966.7 I think there's thirty talks and and say six, ten posters, whatever we can manage to fit in the room. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 959.24 960.38 we've got an idea. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 971.99 977.31 We could have it in B. nine, but there's things all over the wall. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 966.7 971.99 Um so we need to look at we need to look at where we're gonna ho hold it. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 966.33 966.73 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 977.55 978.47 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 977.75 978.12 Mm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 982.56 984.86 Can we use B. nine for the posters for instance? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 978.69 982.56 There are those pictures that run all the way around, so can we take the pictures down? 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 979.7 981.39 All these dead linguists. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 984.53 990.81 Um well we should find out if um generally they use poster boards, if there are some poster boards that we can get ahold of, then that's 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 992.13 992.41 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 992.53 993.02 alright. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 994.64 998.38 And wha uh um what I'll do, I'll email Mits about that, okay? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 993.02 994.64 Okay, so poster boards. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 998.71 999.11 Okay. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 999.66 1008.34 Um write into the call that we are considering the idea of having a poster session. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1008.38 1008.66 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1015.14 1021.29 But the ultimate decision is on our side because we have to see how it does it work out with the poster session 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1021.29 1022.65 how does it work out with the talks. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1009.83 1015.14 So people can indicate would they prefer to give a poster or a talk. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1014.52 1015.21 Yeah, okay. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1021.04 1021.62 Okay. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1034.83 1039.29 And if we get absolutely tons of people wanting to do posters and we don't think there's a you know,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1045.02 1049.76 would you consider doing a talk instead, because uh particularly the second and third-years,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1028.01 1032.83 then just say so, and if you want to do a poster, then say you want to do a poster. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1062.05 1067.53 first-years might want to give a poster or something like that because I don't know, maybe that's a bad idea, but 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1022.66 1028.01 Well what we'll do is sa we can just say uh if you want to do a talk,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1032.83 1034.83 And we can sort of base it around that. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1055.27 1062.05 Um we could even say something like um you know,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1039.29 1045.02 everyone's kind of done it as a cop-out, then we might have to sort of say to them well, you know,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1049.76 1055.27 because we need more talks, and just, you know, do it like that. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1031.22 1031.51 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1033.4 1034.41 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1034.41 1034.58 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1040.99 1041.34 Mm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1041.84 1042.13 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1047.59 1048.23 Yep. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1048.23 1048.36 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1046.75 1047.59 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1046.13 1046.75 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1046.16 1046.45 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1051.22 1051.49 Mm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1054.82 1055.18 Yep. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1068.77 1069.04 Just 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1070.51 1072.24 throw a general suggestion at them. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1072.24 1073.53 See what happens. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1073.18 1073.63 Okay. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1072.3 1073.18 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1084.32 1086.43 Okay, so we got some sort of idea of 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1088.32 1093.53 the structure and how many talks we're going to be able to have. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1094.26 1094.96 Well the maximum. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1101.19 1102.05 So we've got three days. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1094.96 1100.47 I mean I guess that that will evolve uh when we get a response from people, perhaps. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1100.47 1101.19 But that's fine, isn't it? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1095.22 1095.5 I mean w 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1099.4 1100.3 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1100.3 1101.38 Okay. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1101.38 1107.56 So I've uh Okay, so English language um we'll put on the main call,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1107.56 1113.08 and I'll just I I'll just kinda market it as an linguistics and English language or something like that, I think. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1111.66 1112.14 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1117.55 1120.36 And is the the other main group then um philosophy? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1121.55 1124.22 Yes, and Informatics, we could think about it as well. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1123.11 1123.72 Oh yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1128.83 1130.21 So I had a look 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1136.98 1146.08 There's about there's about three or four uh full-time members of staff that list um philosophy of language as a major interest 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1146.08 1151.4 so chances are they're gonna have some P. H. D. students that uh are interested. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1151.4 1152.5 So 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1131.85 1136.98 at whether they do philosophy of a language and logic and stuff here, and they kind of do. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1137.32 1138.01 I think they do. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1145.07 1145.48 Mm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1160.58 1161.21 I think that would be 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1153.88 1155.6 do we think we should invite them? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1155.6 1160.58 I think I'd be surprised if we got sort of four out of them. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1161.8 1162.11 Mm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1162.59 1164.22 Still Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1162.88 1163.81 amazing if we did. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1168.16 1169.59 So I think it's worth asking them. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1163.81 1168.16 So I think it's probably worth I don't think we're gonna get inundated with requests. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1167.26 1167.55 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1170.7 1171.52 Philosophy. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1171.74 1172.27 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1172.56 1175.77 And do you think inf Informatics would 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1178.98 1188.25 Uh th there's there's C. S. T. R. and um H. C. R. C. . 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1176.58 1178.98 I mean I think the Informatics are definitely worth asking. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1185.32 1185.63 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1189.35 1191.08 I mean I'm thinking that the Informatics 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1188.34 1189.35 Mm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1192.52 1194.24 potentially is quite a big response. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1194.49 1195 Yes. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1195.35 1195.97 Um 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1196.83 1197.33 It is. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1197.24 1200.51 Yeah, might be interesting stuff coming in. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1200.51 1201.7 Read something recently about 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1203 1213.77 I think somebody's Masters project to look in how far English is actu uh or in how far English is a shaping influence on programming languages. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1214.17 1216.79 Oh right, cool. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1219.5 1220.03 Um 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1223.04 1223.26 It 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1222 1223.04 Yeah, it is. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1222.46 1222.83 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1224.86 1233.11 Would we wanna ask them and put some kind of like provisor in to make it um specific to sort of preemptively 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1238.83 1241.85 you know, if you got something you think about language, come to 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1234.39 1238.83 um weed out the numbers or should we just say to them oh, you know, we're having this thing about language and,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1254.17 1267.82 In fact, even by inviting um people from um Informatics and from or maybe from Philosophy and things, it might bias it in a particular direction. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1246.35 1254.17 because it's such a Because of the way our department is, then we're supposed to sort of embrace all kinds. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1267.82 1269.45 But I don't know, it's probably not too bad. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1269.45 1277.56 I I think that I think that between Philosophy, Informatics and um Psychology you've probably got quite a lot of breadth there anyway. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1241.22 1246.35 The thing is we can't afford to bias it towards any particular kind of linguistics in a sense,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1236.74 1239.07 Yeah, well it would be nice to that. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1239.07 1241.22 It would be nice it would be nice to do it. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1277.56 1279.24 Um the thing is 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1239.43 1239.76 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1246.3 1246.83 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1248.73 1249.19 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1248.11 1248.73 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1277.22 1277.53 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1310.96 1314.39 and I don't think anyone would be too offended. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1317.05 1317.76 Um 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1303.45 1310.96 And then the fact that we also invite people from the Informatics, I suppose it's just that we do have pretty strong ties with them 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1294.2 1303.45 But I don't think that's too bad, because the first thing is there's a good reason for inviting everyone in P. P. L. S., because we are in one school. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1314.39 1317.05 I hope not anyway. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1280.58 1291.72 uh the one thing is the only kind of people doing anything like applied linguistics are the applied linguists themselves and people in sociology with an interest in language. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1291.72 1294.2 And I don't think we'd be inviting them. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1290.61 1291.24 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1311.35 1311.7 Mm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1321.68 1322.5 I mean we could 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1319.79 1321.68 So what kind of provisor can we put on? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1319.31 1319.79 so yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1324.18 1328.99 we could just say outright anyone in their third year or anyone in their second or third year. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1330.6 1332.23 But I don't know. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1332.26 1332.47 Hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1333.74 1339.52 Or we can just, you know, t uh take whatever we get and pick the best between us, which is 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1340.58 1341.34 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1342.2 1344.14 That's seems most straight-forward. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1341.34 1342.2 Yeah, let's just do that. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1344.14 1351.36 Yeah, just So so if you just send them a general thing saying the Linguistics Department's having this conference and would like to invite post-graduates from the Informatics. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1340.72 1342.99 Y yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1341.34 1343.27 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1345.08 1345.41 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1347.51 1347.97 So 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1346.38 1347.51 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1348.36 1348.76 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1349.78 1353.99 So you're going to email Claire. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1353.99 1354.56 Um 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1352.4 1352.69 Of 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1353.83 1354.06 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1355.91 1359.06 so who wants to send something out to Informatics? 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1359.57 1359.98 I'll do that. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1359.98 1361.93 That's fine. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1361.93 1363.36 And should I get in touch with Philosophy as well? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1361.69 1362.02 Alright. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1360.55 1361.69 Yeah? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1363.67 1365.25 Yeah, sure. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1365.25 1368.21 Um so 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1380.09 1388.73 um but put a warning that if it's logic, then there's a good chance that no one will understand, or not that many. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1374.23 1380.09 Yeah, so what you want to say is anyone who wants to give a talk on logic or philosophy of language,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1388.73 1391.16 I mean maybe just maybe if you just put 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1385.73 1386.79 No one will understand. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1394.48 1396.64 Yeah, just put philosophy of language. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1396.64 1398.44 That's that's probably good. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1398.44 1399.32 Or just or any ph 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1398.21 1403.73 I mean no, you if I just send them a thing saying the Linguistics Department is is having um a postgraduate thing,
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1403.73 1409.39 so if you're a Philosophy student with um you know, and your work has got an interest in language, then 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1397.73 1398.21 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1398.07 1398.51 Or some 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1400.05 1401.3 some relevance clause. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1410.25 1411.54 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1411.54 1412.75 Kind of a relevance clause. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1408.77 1410.25 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1414.19 1419.63 So uh you've gotta work out how to do that and who to email. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1409.87 1410.53 Yeah, that's it. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1411.1 1413.68 Yeah, that I think that's as much as we need to say. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1413.68 1414.19 That's right. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1408.82 1409.87 Yep. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1410.53 1411.1 That's what you do. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1417.62 1425.42 Basically what I was thinking was um just sending them your call for papers and ch changing it slightly to say dear Philosophy students. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1423.97 1425.53 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1425.53 1428.95 Adjust. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1427.39 1428.21 That's what you wanna do. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1424.21 1425.42 Mm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1425.42 1427.39 Yeah, that's fine, that's fine. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1428.21 1436.27 Um as long as it's clear from the subject bar that it's relevant to them and that it says somewhere that 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1477.49 1481.79 as opposed to when I'll need an hour over three da you know, an hour each day for three days. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1464.78 1472.48 And the reason she gave me was something to do with uh taking out like a whole day or a whole afternoon would be quite difficult,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1453.81 1464.78 See someone suggested to me that it's actually better to have talks on a similar topic spread out as much as possible, which to me just seemed absolutely crazy. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1486.23 1489.9 So I think in general, and also for the sake of the lecturers 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1440.6 1453.81 And then between us we'll have to have another meeting and and I mean at the same time as we're sorting through all the other titles and and deciding um how to divide up the sessions. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1437.51 1440.6 for Philosophy students with an interest in language and and that's it. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1472.48 1477.49 but I think that balance against the fact that most people want to be able to say well look, I can have just this one day off,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1481.79 1486.23 It you can end up having to take three afternoons or three mornings or whatever off. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1453.45 1453.75 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1478.63 1478.94 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1479 1480.05 Mm mm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1480.78 1481.19 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1499.77 1503.81 and that's because I shifted it I basically had it on Monday, Tuesday,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1498.59 1499.77 on the Wednesday, right,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1503.81 1509.43 Wednesday to begin with, and then eve it moved down twice to Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1509.43 1511.97 So Wednesday is the only day left that he can make. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1490.47 1498.59 Uh I think a lot of the time Simon Kirby has already said to me that anyone any of his students he wants to be on the first day,
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1508.05 1508.4 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1511.35 1511.73 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1512.42 1514.87 Oh I see, right, he wants them there because he so he can make it. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1514.87 1515.15 Okay. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1513.11 1513.75 So 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1515.32 1515.6 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1515.6 1519.78 So and the other thing is um when we get some calls say we have 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1536.06 1539.58 So can you give us a time that would be good for you? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1521.33 1525.74 uh for instance three people supervised by Bob Ladd,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1550.46 1556.05 And it's also good if talks are on the same topic for a whole morning or a whole afternoon because then people will come along and go oh 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1533.75 1536.06 Um presu presumably you want to be there. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1541.35 1545.24 'Cause he says yeah, okay, Thursday afternoon I've got completely free. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1539.58 1541.35 And then we can put them in a block at one time. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1545.24 1550.46 So I think we do need to stick everyone together, uh particularly if they've got the same supervisor. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1559.49 1560.06 And then 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1556.05 1559.49 this morning it's all on phonology or this morning it's all on applied linguistics. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1525.74 1533.75 then it might be that then we are gonna have to uh contact Bob and say Bob, these three of your students are gonna be talking. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1541.06 1541.38 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1544.67 1545.69 Mm, yeah, and I think 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1558.28 1558.96 Yeah yeah, yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1561.52 1562.14 Okay? 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1562.48 1562.71 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1564.88 1566.4 As much as possible anyway. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1566.91 1567.93 I think that's 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1575.72 1578.4 What we actually get to do we'll see later when we have the stuff. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1570.09 1575.72 So far it's just a general statement of interest, what we intend to do. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1586.25 1586.76 So 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1579.14 1580.52 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1580.52 1586.25 Now we need if I'm gonna send out this call, uh we need a deadline for titles. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1584.83 1585.2 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1587.89 1588.77 Um 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1590.89 1591.53 what should we say? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1598.16 1606.78 the the uh the the sort of abstracts deadline first because we need to have a meeting, and that's gonna be when all the real work starts. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1591.53 1595.32 Something like 'cause we need a deadline for titles and a deadline for abstracts. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1595.32 1598.16 So let's set the the latest deadline,
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1602.97 1603.23 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1604.89 1605.21 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1607.02 1607.25 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1610.89 1613 I was think I mean maybe the end of 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1608.72 1610.89 So what's the absolute latest? 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1616.81 1617.82 Two weeks ahead of 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1618.87 1619.47 End of March. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1632.18 1638.41 So any organising, at least stuff where I need to be where we need to meet physically has to be done before that. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1621.78 1629.48 Uh I'm going away for two weeks on the fourth of April. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1629.48 1632.18 And then I'm coming back just in time for the conference. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1620.26 1621.78 End of March might be okay. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1621.75 1622.05 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1629.38 1629.67 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1637.18 1637.69 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1638.66 1640.69 Yeah, and I will be away 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1642.72 1644.45 probably until Easter. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1644.45 1650.44 So this actually means we have the week directly after Easter between my coming back and you leaving 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1651.4 1653.32 I tell you one thing. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1653.32 1656.98 Uh it's starting on the Wednesday, and the first day back is Tuesday. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1656.98 1658.75 I think I'm coming back 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1651.9 1652.85 to get the stuff done. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1664.28 1668.8 Hopefully I'll be back in time that we'll be able to do something the day before. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1662.32 1664.28 I'm trying to get this right. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1668.8 1670.26 'Cause I think I'm gonna be back. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1679.58 1683.74 We might actually have to go into the rooms and get things ready. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1673.41 1676.78 But that's not the end of the world, but we might have to set some things up. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1683.74 1688.88 And there's gonna be other things like getting the technology ready. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1671.62 1673.41 Might even have to come in in the evening. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1676.78 1679.58 Like maybe just get the chairs organised or whatever. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1688.88 1694.06 So not only is there a pressure to have uh 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1679.11 1679.37 Mm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1701.04 1703.8 it's good to have them together so we don't have to keep changing it. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1703.8 1710.18 So Because I th I think it was Cedric has already offered to do whatever we need him to do. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1710.18 1715.15 But he just needs to know in advance what people need so that he can be there and and get it ready for them. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1695.24 1701.04 talks that are on a similar topic together, but also if people need the same kind of computer set-up 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1703.62 1703.91 Mm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1713.02 1713.26 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1715.12 1715.4 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1716.59 1719.86 So I think when people 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1718.67 1721.54 What kinds of things do you think people are actually gonna need? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1731.11 1734.5 Hopefully, no one will have anything too specialized. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1734.5 1735.53 S sh z 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1721.84 1731.11 Well, hopefully most people will d either have something like PowerPoint or they'll just have uh P. D. F. slides or something. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1723.52 1723.83 Like 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1729.79 1730.33 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1735.37 1746.92 In my experience what you usually should have is some kind of um, what's it, over-head thingo um beamer. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1746.92 1756.2 In some cases we might if it's really tough, we might be in need of a of some sound system to play recordings. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1741.86 1742.38 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1754.63 1756.98 I mean if we do it uh th hasn't B. nine got all of that? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1758.33 1766.74 But I think it does take a little bit of I mean uh I think sometimes maybe people need to be in Linux rather than Windows and so booting in and out 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1757.21 1758.33 Yeah, it's got a lot in there. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1757.89 1758.89 Should be there, yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1761.05 1761.59 Adjusting. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1766.31 1767.68 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1767.68 1767.91 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1766.96 1767.49 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1768.62 1770.84 m is sometimes an issue I think. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1770.84 1771.6 Um 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1793.05 1795.37 Um, okay so let's think about this. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1795.37 1799.69 If if we gave them a whole month or just over a month, then 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1789.62 1793.05 So um so deadlines. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1781.84 1789.62 you need to mention that any technology you intend to use, so that at least if we have all the information Yeah? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1778.18 1781.84 I'll put both deadlines, and I think I'll say that when you send in your abstract,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1774.4 1778.18 But I think what we should say is when I put out this call,
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1785.19 1785.6 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1788.62 1788.87 Yep. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1802.43 1804.98 that would be okay, wouldn't it, because we've still got 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1829.42 1833.66 And the abstract doesn't have to be much, it's probably only half a side of A. four or something, isn't it? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1810.21 1818.36 So if we gave them say till mid-March, that would be good. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1833.66 1838.52 Just enough that we can see whether it's interesting or what kind of area it fits into. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1825.47 1829.42 and then give them a week on top of that to get the actual abstract done. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1818.36 1825.47 So give them something like give them something like ten days or whatever to get the title in 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1807.77 1810.21 If we gave them the whole month, that'd give us hardly any time. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1806 1807.77 Oh no, it wouldn't be okay at all. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1838.52 1839.4 That's all we really need. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1810.25 1810.6 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1816.74 1817.07 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1832.77 1833.04 Mm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1836.82 1837.18 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1839.48 1839.86 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1847.05 1847.63 But I think w 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1840.76 1847.05 Um see ideal ideally I would've liked to have given them a bit longer. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1847.83 1849.33 Nah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1849.33 1850.09 No way anymore. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1848.95 1850.96 That will be okay. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1855.91 1858.34 Um so let's just 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1852.27 1855.91 So unfortunately I don't have a calendar. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1850.96 1852.27 Okay. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1857.62 1858.75 Mm neither do I. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1861.97 1866.42 You're gonna send that pan pen crazy. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1869.2 1871.68 Um so 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1866.57 1869.2 No, it's I think it's okay when you're not writing on there. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1864.06 1866.57 That's true. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1878.96 1880.25 So 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1883 1883.61 Uh 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1885.05 1887.12 Thirty one oh no, it's twenty eight this 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1888.55 1889.29 this month, isn't it? 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1889.78 1890.12 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1891.15 1892.49 Two, three, four. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1899.44 1901.03 I could create us another calendar. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1908.13 1913.01 And then um if I send it out tomorrow, we'll say something like the el 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1899.7 1908.13 So if we have it like a Monday, Monday the fourteenth'd probably be quite good for the final deadline. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1907.63 1908.07 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1915.52 1918.97 Or maybe the fourth would be good. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1918.97 1926.41 So give them a w yeah, a week for the title, and then they would have about ten days from then to actually get the abstract in. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1921.36 1921.64 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1919.36 1921.36 For the title deadline? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1928.3 1929.21 Does that sound reasonable? 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1930.59 1932.43 Why not just give them a week to do the abstract? 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1932.43 1935.2 I mean I'm just thinking about um 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1938.23 1941.48 So I'm saying a week from when I send it out 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1935.8 1936.66 Just put it here, yeah? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1937.42 1938.23 A bit earlier. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1936.66 1937.42 The eleventh. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1939.62 1943.89 Oh no no no, I was s I was saying ju just give them a bit longer to get back with the title. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1943.89 1945.95 Say get back with the title by the seventh. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1945.95 1947.87 Or do we need ten days to go from 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1947.46 1947.83 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1946.23 1947.46 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1960.52 1964.44 or is it gonna be on the basis of the title, do they want more time to write the abstract. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1947.92 1952.34 That would be a week anyway, but you can give them ten days to you can give them ten days to get the title 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1952.34 1955.05 or you can give them it depends which way around you wanna do it. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1955.05 1960.52 So what's gonna take them longer actually to decide what they're gonna do and send the title,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1946.56 1947.92 That would be a week anyway. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1952.33 1952.67 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1952.63 1953.06 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1964.87 1968.38 Uh f I think if they're really serious 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1970.22 1974.56 to be a bit late with the title might not be bad, because it will help them to 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1974.65 1976.72 So give them the seventh, yeah? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1976.72 1978.57 Okay, so 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1975.62 1976.06 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1975.9 1976.75 Mm yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1977.94 1978.13 Yep. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1980.56 1982.94 So Monday the seventh is the title. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1985.25 1986.3 Like um 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1982.94 1985.25 And this presumably will apply across the board. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1985.25 1985.57 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 1985.83 1986.08 Yep. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1987.77 1992 And Monday the fourteenth for the abstract. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1991.7 1995.25 And we've got they we've got an email address for them to send all this to, haven't we? 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 1995.25 1995.94 Or what was it? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1995.89 1997.3 Well we we kind of have. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 1997.3 1998.9 I d uh we were given 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2002.31 2005.67 Getting access to the uh to the account. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2005.67 2006.95 Blah blah blah blah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2020.97 2021.59 'Cause 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2008.52 2014.67 They can send it to P. G. C. at ling as long as we can get the Wh I'll tell you what I'll do then 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2014.67 2020.97 I'll go and see Mike th today and and get the password and everything. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2005.7 2008.52 The only thing is acce is accessing the account. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2010.87 2011.29 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2012.73 2013.1 Yep. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2011.58 2012.73 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2042.89 2049.53 It's just the fact that you need to p uh it's just the fact that when they reply to it, you need to be able to uh access it. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2049.53 2052.41 So I already tried it once, and I'm sure they gave us a password. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2033.2 2036.61 'Cause uh so far I've just been using my own uh email address. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2052.41 2054.17 And I even I even actu 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2040.89 2042.89 'Cause you can send from any email address you like. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2036.61 2040.89 But it would be better it's quite easy to send f from an email address. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2022.82 2025.7 we possibly have it, but I'll just sort that out with him. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2025.7 2033.2 Because if we're gonna tell everyone to email P. G. C., then we have to make pretty sure that we can actually access the account and that it's operational and stuff. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2030.88 2031.27 Mm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2038.18 2038.49 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2042.91 2043.21 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2052.69 2053.06 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2060.06 2060.44 That's it. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2057.82 2059.31 Oh well, that's it then. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2060.44 2061.57 So does i 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2059.31 2060.06 No problem. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2058.53 2061.6 We've got it all written down. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2065.87 2066.45 I mean it 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2091.69 2097.32 Uh or depending on your normal email client, you might be able to do it, but it doesn't matter too much. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2081.3 2083.57 but you can go f if if you did it from web-mail 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2097.32 2103.17 The the the other thing you could do is have is just fill in the reply to address as P. G. C., depending on what you wanna do. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2074.98 2081.3 then if you want to send from P. G. C., then uh I mean you might already know 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2068.71 2072.04 You may already know, but the thing is if you want to send this call for abstracts,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2072.04 2074.98 you know, when you do the philosophy and and thingy one,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2083.57 2087.9 you can just create a new account for yourself and where it sa it actually has a send from address 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2087.9 2091.69 and you can just put P. G. C. at ling dot and just do it that way. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2089.46 2089.98 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2096.98 2097.37 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2101.96 2102.33 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2113.39 2118.67 Presumably, you can access from web-mail or, you know, or I. MAP or whatever. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2104.92 2106.87 But that's what I'll do. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2106.87 2113.39 I'll send it from P. G. C., so if anyone replies, it would just go to that account and any of us can access it at any time. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2119.19 2121.04 Should I take care of the web page? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2122.42 2127.96 Yeah, if you want to to create a web page and just copy my email into it or something,
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2127.96 2132.61 and anything else you might wanna do, and then later on we can put the uh the programme in. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2129.19 2129.55 Yeah. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2128.34 2129.19 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2132.67 2132.92 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2133.96 2134.85 Mm-hmm, cool. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2137.17 2140.12 So um 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2154.02 2154.63 Hmm. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2158.36 2158.66 Okay? 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2165.42 2165.81 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2159.63 2160.71 Oh, so am I. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2160.71 2163.44 Is it five t is it almost two? 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2158.59 2159.63 Oh right, yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2163.44 2165.42 Oh, my microphone fell off. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2159.33 2159.67 No. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2166.14 2166.5 Okay. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2165.59 2166.14 Right. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2163.62 2165.59 You you got something for two, haven't you? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2166.5 2171.94 So very quickly then, can we arrange a new time to have a meeting? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2161.62 2163.62 It's not quite it's p two or three minutes to. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2162.69 2163.89 Not quite, but almost. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2177.07 2179.1 Have we got enough to be getting on with. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2173.57 2177.07 Do you think we need to how long do you think until we need to meet again? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2179.1 2180.5 We probably have, haven't we? 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2181.61 2185.35 Uh I mean that's just um 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2181.04 2181.61 Yeah. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2185.25 2189.25 So I mean maybe m I mean ideally I suppose we'll meet again here. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2192.29 2192.55 Okay? 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2189.25 2192.29 So we can with Melissa and we'll just send out an email. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2190.41 2191.09 Yeah. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2205.06 2207.51 But I'll try and get a good address to send it to. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2197.52 2201.62 Or I won't send anything to Philosophy and Informatics till I've got your email. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2194.61 2197.52 Okay, so um I mean I won't get in touch with Philosophy. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2201.62 2205.06 'Cause I'll just tell 'em a modified version of that. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2193.19 2194.61 Yeah, and uh that that would be cool. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2193.98 2194.81 Um 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2201.69 2202.21 Yep. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2202.21 2202.57 That's fine. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2207.73 2208.07 Mm-hmm. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2211.44 2212.11 Alright. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2215.05 2216.91 And I'm okay. 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2212.11 2215.05 So that was a note. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2217.25 2220.77 I think latest s soon as the call is out. 
EN2003a H00 MEE075 2223.42 2223.62 Yep. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2224.09 2231.58 Because then we have the call thing, we have that away and look at the boar organisatorial stuff like uh 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2232.87 2235.13 Do we know about chairs, tea, and stuff? 
EN2003a H01 MEE076 2238.19 2239.4 Alright, we're finished. 
EN2003a H03 MEO074 2239.45 2240.17 Okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 0.08 0.34 More. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 0.48 1.4 If not more, yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1.5 2.08 Mm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 5.96 6.23 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 30.8 45.99 Um but the extra step that we're asking you to do f in this case is to look at the silent regions and listen to them for each channel and um make sure that no back-channels were lost for example,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 27.13 30.8 I think you all kn basically have an idea what's involved. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 45.99 54.98 um yeah, back-channels is what you n typically would find, although by and large these are gonna be silent. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 8.03 9.25 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 9.25 15.04 So the three of you and let's see m um myself and Maarika,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 15.04 20.45 who's not here, and but I think so it it occasionally Melissa will all be doing checking of the transcriptions. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 20.45 27.13 So this is the second pass these transcriptions are receiving and that's pretty straight-forward. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 54.98 56.51 So 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 19.23 19.48 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 30.39 30.74 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 66.13 72.7 you can order it in any way you like, but um start with the first channel and go through it entirely. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 56.74 66.13 So you can um start s checking by y well you you know,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 87.27 95.01 go down here to the uh trascription transcription tier and select that it so that uh when you play,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 95.01 102.98 you're certain that when it stops, you've caught the whole speech signal for that utterance and haven't lost any signal information. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 84.24 87.27 I would recommend, like say this one 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 102.98 110 Um otherwise it it's liable to keep on running, and you might not notice where it where it finishes. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 72.7 84.24 Um I would recommend, I've found that it's easier when you're checking and you're trying to make sure the boundaries are right for a speech segment,
EN2004a H00 FEE080 73.16 73.4 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 98.02 98.23 Mm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 116.91 126.08 I you you could just listen to the speech segments again and make sure everything is correct for those, and so you could just hit um 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 112.49 116.91 But um Alternatively,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 110.39 112.49 So it it takes a little time. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 129.16 130.09 And then 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 147.35 148.34 So 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 133.16 133.83 Like that. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 138.68 145.13 How it if if you wanna make your job a little more interesting, you can d do it in m different ways on a different day. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 133.83 138.68 And then go back and check the the silence regions. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 146.06 147.35 As long as it gets done. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 145.13 146.06 It doesn't matter. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 135.93 136.38 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 138.61 139.06 In between. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 141.07 142.15 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 152.47 152.71 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 147.27 152.47 So we so are we checking what's actually been transcribed already as well as the silences? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 201.65 215.26 And so that um once you go through all the s um speech regions and all the um non-speech regions 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 170.69 179.79 And and you know, of course there are gonna be m many situations where you like the first transcriber can't make any sense of it. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 186.72 198.09 Um and that can be used uh to represent one um unintelligible word or multiple intelligible words, but just use one at symbol. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 215.26 222.49 an o you could make another step of doing a search using um going under the edit menu you can 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 162.9 170.69 You're also um responsible for resolving any um uncertainties that were marked by the original transcriber. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 152.68 162.9 you're doing so that's that's the role of the checker is to check what's said in the silent regions uh in the speech regions and then make sure nothing was lost in the silent regions. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 198.09 201.65 Um yeah, mm-hmm, exactly. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 152.06 152.68 Yeah, yeah 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 179.79 186.72 And in that case, it will be up to you to use the at symbol. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 156.27 156.57 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 161.56 162.06 Oh okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 169.58 169.92 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 271 271.29 If 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 236.22 244.86 And then you can just resolve those all one by one as as a different set of um changes altogether. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 244.86 248.58 And and likewise for the double question marks. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 223.23 235.52 do a search for, yeah, find replace for open parentheses and that'll take you to any that it any that the first transcriber might have marked out. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 235.52 236.22 So there's one. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 257.39 264.1 And um and like I said, if you if you can't make any sense of it, then just use the at symbol. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 248.58 257.39 Just once you've gone through um and resolved all the open parentheses, you can do the same for op uh double question marks. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 264.1 271 If you can um, just give it, you know, give it your best guess in these cases. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 224.43 225.45 Find replace, yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 238.6 238.87 Uh-huh. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 239.09 239.96 Oh, alright 'kay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 250.38 250.63 Oh yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 277.52 282.49 but if you're not entirely sure that it could be, 'cause it c it could be a combination of something else 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 282.49 286.19 like put the guess down or leave it as ambiguous in some way. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 270.83 277.52 How much should you want um I had a few times where I thought well, it could be this,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 276.58 277.02 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 282.47 283.02 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 286.41 296.63 Yeah, it's I would uh if you're v if you're quite certain, then I would go ahead and um type what you think it was said. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 296.63 305.16 If if you v think that n y there's maybe a th thirty percent chance you're wrong or or more 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 296.12 296.32 Right. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 299.68 301.04 There's a chance they could be. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 318.41 323.33 or if it sometimes it sounds very clear as a word itself, but then wouldn't make sense at all,
EN2004a H02 FEO079 323.33 327.95 and then you m question, you know, second-guess whether it's really what you heard. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 305.17 313.83 It's usually a context problem, because I think sometimes if it's not intelligible you either tend to because you really want it to fit the context 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 313.83 318.41 um you tend to take the closest actual word that would fit the context,
EN2004a H00 FEE080 307.08 307.43 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 307.37 307.85 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 313.64 314.08 Mm yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 358.2 358.88 Does that sound good? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 346.05 353.4 So go through all the channels and do that, and then um then you should have the context from all four speakers 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 357.23 358.2 How would that be? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 339.18 346.05 leave the unknowns, the um ambiguities, the uncertainties uncertainties until later. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 328.64 339.18 So maybe a good idea would be to listen to each channel one by one, do listen to the silent and non-silent regions and make all those corrections,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 353.4 357.23 and then go back and do those searches one by one for each channel. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 328.05 328.64 Right. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 351.21 351.69 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 352.91 353.3 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 358.28 358.56 Mm. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 361.07 365.87 Once you've been through the passage, you've worked out what they're talking about, you know. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 360.13 361.07 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 365.87 366.38 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 358.77 360.13 Yeah, it does tend to help. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 358.93 360.29 Mm, that's what I've been doing so far. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 360.53 360.83 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 372.51 374.22 It just came out of nowhere. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 362.88 372.51 It took li it like the third time 'til I thought oh, you're saying F. five. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 363.07 367.78 You'll you'll know all too well what was said in this meeting by the time you 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 374.7 380.26 That would help us um, you know, nab a good number of those uncertainties. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 369.8 370.56 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 370.56 374.7 Yeah, I think that would be really helpful. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 370.75 370.88 Hmm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 386.15 388.69 then just choose one and leave it, right. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 379.73 386.15 But if there's a chance that it's equally likely that they could have said something or they could have said something like ice cream and I scream,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 385.58 386.06 Mm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 387.59 392.26 Choose one, it c I mean y think of it from a speech recognition point of view again. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 407.76 414.73 Um So I've gone through Sorry. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 395.62 407.76 What is most robust for a speech recognition and and leave out anything So you're well geared towards this task. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 395.14 395.62 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 392.26 395.14 And always this should be this should motivate you. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 393.73 395.19 Be robust. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 393.87 394.99 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 399.48 404.76 We just started our speech recognition assignment just now. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 409.15 410.05 I've done that too. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 407.69 409.15 That's always fun. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 412.37 413.59 You're an S. L. P. person. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 415.22 416.91 Oh, never I I don't wanna interrupt it. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 416.91 422.45 Uh uh when I did my masters um I took uh S. P. one and S. P. two with Simon King. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 416.83 417.37 Oh no no no. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 417.37 418.08 Go ahead, go ahead. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 422.58 425.92 You survived S. P. one and S. P. two. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 424.63 424.79 Yes. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 424.79 432.14 And actually I've done quite well in S. P. one, I've done it a bit worse in S. P. two because it was a l a lot more challenging. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 432.26 433.99 We have two new teachers for S. P. two. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 434.28 434.67 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 434.87 436.76 Too many. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 435.69 444.45 And uh I'll ask you later on like if you still have your notes. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 439.21 439.56 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 443.22 444.51 Okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 440.65 443.22 Right. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 444.51 445.39 Back to the topic. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 446.61 449.87 So um this is one I've gone through. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 467.25 472.05 So just about every utterance needs to be capitalised and and needs the end punctuation. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 452.4 456.12 And there were lots of lots and lots and lots of things as you can see. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 456.12 460.76 'Cause I've got square brackets around all the things that need to be changed. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 449.87 452.4 I've just done one channel. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 445.69 446.61 Okay okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 460.76 467.25 Um so this person didn't ha um th obviously didn't know about capitalisation. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 456.64 456.83 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 472.44 479.96 when you get like um someone's talking and there's they sort of pause in the middle of a sentence that's long enough for it to put a break in,
EN2004a H03 FEE081 479.96 485.38 but they're actually sort of carrying on the sentence, do you have to capitalise each time you transcribe a bit if it's mid 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 472.16 472.44 You know 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 479.63 479.91 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 484.96 486.38 Um, no no no. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 486.38 489.5 Whatever um makes sense to you. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 489.5 495.52 Um but no, it it can continue into the next segment and that's perfectly fine. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 487.01 487.23 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 486.43 487.01 No no no no. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 489.2 489.56 Okay. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 491.87 493.01 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 493.01 494.37 Just okay. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 494.37 496.17 So it's put the hyphen and then 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 493.51 493.92 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 500.95 505.07 So if it's quite clear that the sentence is being carried on, the p you know,
EN2004a H02 FEO079 495.05 500.95 I think that's actually the only case where you don't or where you're not supposed to capitalise, right? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 510.21 510.92 Otherwise you do. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 505.07 510.21 the sentence from the previous segment is being carried on, then that's when you don't capitalise. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 496.46 497.22 Mm the hyph 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 500.51 501.69 Um 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 500.58 500.88 Right. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 510.22 510.71 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 510.38 514.87 And you only use the hyphen I think when the sentence is definitely not continuing anywhere. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 514.3 514.74 Yes. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 516.11 521.77 I've done a few of those wrong then when someone comes to check it. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 514.79 516.11 Oh right, okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 516.22 516.59 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 515.49 516.22 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 516.25 520.29 As in like it's 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 517.32 526.19 I'll review some of these things um after I go through this a bit um just to re-cap. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 541.03 544.08 Um um okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 526.19 537.49 Th these are things that I've after checking um t everybody's work um, these are things that were commonly left out or, you know misc mis-transcribed, whatever. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 537.49 541.03 So I'll go over those t as an opportunity to use the white-board. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 544.08 560.61 So uh this person left out a lot of end punctuation and um here's a case where I think she was transcribing an out-breath um or possibly an in-breath uh t uh in and used the hash mark. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 518.12 518.39 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 520.21 520.33 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 533.79 534.08 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 534.54 534.91 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 567.52 569.79 That's n information we don't need. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 561.84 567.52 In any case, I didn't hear anything and and you shouldn't be transcribing in-breaths or out-breaths. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 567.16 567.46 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 567.34 567.57 Right. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 577.99 582.47 Oh, you know, this is the head-set mic and I heard something there. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 582.47 589.23 It was but it wa yeah, it was a bit of a yeah, it was creaky, so yeah f uh 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 578.54 579.76 It was the creaky voice. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 587.23 587.97 Can we hear it again? 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 583.94 585.69 Creaky voice. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 585.69 587.23 But it is c really connected to the word. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 585.44 585.83 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 587.42 588.25 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 588.55 593.29 And you sometimes you don't know really whether it's a mic noise or that person is making that noise. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 593.04 595.94 Yeah, well I didn't think it was im let's see, wait. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 593.45 594.02 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 626.3 628.42 I was adding that, that's what I was doing. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 623.67 624.84 I think that's good. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 632.66 635.21 Um so there's things like that. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 635.21 639.61 Um sh there's a missing false start here um that didn't get caught. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 621.96 623.67 So I would I would keep that. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 610.52 614.77 S there's there's actually quite a bit more in there than than I heard before. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 624.84 626.3 Oh, okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 609.91 610.52 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 630.76 632.66 Okay, there you go. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 614.77 621.96 This is so I w I heard a creaky voice, and it was audible of the level of the rest of the speech. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 628.42 630.76 That makes sense. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 610.22 611.07 From the 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 613.63 615.23 from the 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 628.15 631.79 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 638.16 638.46 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 645.76 651.08 Um so that that's something that's quite common in the transcriptions that I've looked at. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 651.08 656.22 Missed false starts, um missed m 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 644.16 645.76 So I added that in. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 649.72 650.26 Okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 666.02 672.17 And how important is it to listen to it really until you've got the exact number of a things right? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 657.89 666.02 Because um you know, some people tend to stutter more than others and then they would have a false start four or five times in a row. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 672.17 672.45 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 654.98 657.89 And how exact do we have to be there? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 672.43 677 I mean the it I think syllables should be accounted for for th 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 670.18 672.43 Try to get it right. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 675.95 676.54 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 676.54 683.81 Well, 'cause sometimes they go you know, like that, and then you're not really sure whether it's three times or four yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 678.86 688.07 Yeah, well don't let it drive you crazy, 'cause there is one speaker Melissa just played for me today and he stutters horribly. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 698.09 706.58 But if you c if it's say four repeated um if the word is repeated four times, uh then that's not too hard to count. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 688.07 696.34 I mean I I I'd you know, it's unfortunate for him and for us 'cause it's really gonna be a nightmare to transcribe. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 706.58 712.46 I haven't come across something that's been I haven't come across anything exceeding four, I don't think. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 696.34 698.09 So you will have to draw the line somewhere. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 712.46 712.83 Have you? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 696.63 696.83 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 691.74 696.63 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 693.32 694.77 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 691.91 693.32 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 705.95 706.28 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 732.22 739.62 and that kind of thing, so it's I think it was a word starting with D. and the person was going or s you know. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 712.32 713.88 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 713.88 719.44 Well, it's not that the word is if the word were the whole word were being used four times,
EN2004a H02 FEO079 719.44 722.86 that wouldn't have been that difficult, but sometimes it's just a false start 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 722.86 732.22 which is really just maybe one or one and a half phones and then repeated and then you don't really know whether one is a long duration of one or whether it's actually two,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 718.54 719.22 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 719.22 719.57 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 726.54 726.93 Uh-huh. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 731.83 733.17 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 738.01 738.45 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 740.06 741.78 Make your best guess. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 741.78 747.43 Try to listen to it carefully enough, but not not so that you're obsessing over it for too long. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 738.45 740.06 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 741.22 741.61 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 748.61 749.27 I would say. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 749.51 760.96 And sometimes with the I would be thinking, are you anticipating a or you're you t trying to say the and you're just saying the the the the the. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 756.72 756.9 Hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 766.09 768.76 If it's a word fragment, who cares. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 759.92 766.09 Well there again, f uh think about robustness and speech uh recognition and it really doesn't matter. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 768.76 771.25 It you're marking it as a fragment, and that's what's important. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 758.28 759.92 Alright. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 763.34 763.69 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 764.61 764.88 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 765.05 765.38 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 767.62 769.07 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 768.26 769.53 Well, speaking about 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 770.4 771.41 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 784.74 791.63 then do you transcribe more phonetically or do you put uh uh a star of after every single one word? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 780.66 784.74 it doesn't really actually sound at all, you know, what it is 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 791.63 792.15 Or 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 771.48 780.66 Speaking about robustness, if if somebody has an accent that you can only really understand what they're saying due to world knowledge yeah, it what they say,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 791.42 799.65 Well um I wouldn't de be using the star so liberally um for a non-native speaker. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 825.01 831.53 then what he says, you know, the way he realises words, sounds nothing at all like it it should be. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 817.76 825.01 because I'm Eastern European and uh but if we would just play it I think to a recognizer,
EN2004a H02 FEO079 809.23 817.76 and there's especially one there that um I think he's Eastern European and I think that's the only reason I can understand what he's saying at all 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 797.33 804.37 Yeah, that's what I thought, that you're not supposed to do it, but um the one there's one I'm transcribing right now,
EN2004a H02 FEO079 804.37 809.23 you know, a whole batch of dialogues where uh all four participants are non-native 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 829.12 829.54 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 833.81 843.68 Um I mean and and for that matter a lot of n native English speakers' realisations aren't going to be so true to um 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 832.17 833.81 Well, right, right. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 837.36 837.92 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 839.8 840.27 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 847.33 851.64 then I think okay, I'll let that in, but if if it comes out and like one word is 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 842.82 847.33 I try to take consistency, if they always stress the wrong part of the word,
EN2004a H02 FEO079 846.72 847.02 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 848.66 849.89 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 851.67 853.68 No, it's less of a s it's less of a stress. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 853.68 860.03 It's really like uh his uh, I don't know, just the phonemes sounding differently. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 860.9 864.99 Well, I wouldn't bother to mark all of those instances though. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 860.4 860.9 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 864.64 867.18 Well, you can't really, because it would be all of it. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 884.73 888.73 Like um I'm thinking of I I've used this example before 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 888.73 901.32 there's a guy who says project instead of product and uh it's something like project and it's probably just his his pronunciation of of. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 866.33 875.31 No, I mean yeah, they're they're uh you're gonna find that for any speaker, they have a set way of of realising these things. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 875.31 884.73 And and it's just like Fiona was saying, um that the the word that stands out is something really uh aberrant. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 894.25 894.51 Oh. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 894.64 895.61 Oh. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 894.85 895.19 Ah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 897.68 898.07 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 897.76 898.25 Mm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 900.06 905.69 Oh, I think I've transcribed him and I had project at all um evolution criteria. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 903.88 906.73 Well, it it they were clearly talking about a product. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 902.75 903.88 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 906.73 914.02 So so uh I m I marked that as a m uh mispronunciation or s or something to flag anyway. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 908.4 908.72 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 911.77 912.3 Okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 910.69 911.77 Mm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 913.5 914.46 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 914.46 922.21 And one guy who was saying evolution each time he meant evaluation, and it took me a whole dialogue Yeah, yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 922.82 925.37 It that's something definitely to mark up. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 917.31 918.64 Oh, evaluation. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 918.64 920.52 Yeah, I I've I remember that. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 920.52 922.82 That one I would I would flag, just like you did. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 931.13 936.19 and then at the end of the dialogue it dawned on me that he actually meant evaluation 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 936.19 940.42 and then I went back and replaced I replaced it in the whole transcription. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 925.13 931.13 Yeah, but that's really something I would always transcribe it, you know, for lack of better knowledge or lack of context 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 934.28 935.12 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 935.41 936.14 Mm yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 940.64 941.33 That's good. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 941.33 941.69 That's good. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 941.96 948.98 Well, at the moment we have a lecturer that can I can never quite s tell if he's saying problem or programme. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 950.95 957.49 And it I can't actually say but when I'm listening to, I'm thinking And I can't tell. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 948.98 950.95 Programme problem. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 949.18 949.44 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 951.15 951.56 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 964.88 967.23 I it's just something we have to deal with. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 955.42 955.85 Alright. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 955.85 964.88 Yeah, I kn I don't know what to s tell you about n um certain speakers. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 956.23 956.44 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 964.48 968.8 Yeah, basically th I think just do your best and hope for the best. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 967.57 969.15 Hope he's not involved with these actually. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 969.15 972 I hope he's not involved with this. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 968.62 969.96 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 969.96 970.27 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 971.24 972.21 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 972.47 972.99 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 972.99 976.53 So oop, I lost my lapel lapel mic. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 976.8 979.71 That'll give some transcriber a headache. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 980.35 980.62 Wait. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 978.45 980.35 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 982.28 983.34 So it's not too bad. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 979.7 982.28 Well, we have both head-set and lapel transcription. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 983.65 984.06 Oops. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 987.96 992.51 Least I won't be transcribing the What do I care? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 994.55 997.46 Yeah, let's have Maarika transcribe that. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 995.92 1003.12 Okay, so um there've there've been lots of missed filled pauses. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1003.12 1005.92 Everybody seems to miss those, some more than others. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1005.92 1009.72 So just really keep an ear out for those. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1009.72 1010.16 Um 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1013.34 1016.26 and you know it's easy when I go back over I normally g like go back to the beginning 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1009.43 1013.34 It's easy to, 'cause you're so used to t t tuning them out 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1016.26 1021.73 do a quick pass of the main sections again and think ah yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1013.31 1013.86 Mm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1013.49 1014.38 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1017.44 1017.73 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1022.22 1022.91 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1020.56 1022.22 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1022.91 1026.29 I I'm not sure, I miss them plenty myself. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1026.29 1033.42 But um this this second pass we should really try to catch all of them or at least most of th yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1035.36 1039.1 I thought we're just supposed to use the underscore between letters? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1029.34 1035.36 Um sorry, I'm just seeing this with the T. V., there is T. underscore V. underscore. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1039.1 1039.35 No? 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1030.16 1030.48 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1039.56 1040.08 After. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1038.2 1039.56 No, no. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1039.69 1041.76 That's what I thought the first day as well. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1040.85 1043.16 Okay, sorry, then I've done it wrong so far. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1044.24 1048.46 Yeah, it should be after every um acronym letter. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1043.14 1044.24 Okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1045.45 1045.86 Okay. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1047.81 1055.36 You know, um you standardised all the the filled pauses, the uh and do we need to go through and change ones that people did differently. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1055.36 1059.06 Like if I where I've written E. R. for uh, change it all to U. H., that sort of thing? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1072.46 1078.63 changes like that that were just announced we'll we'll be able to catch for these first passes. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1068.57 1072.46 Um so w we we're starting fresh with these and, you know 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1058.55 1059.35 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1059.35 1068.57 So at this point the um the only file that's been checked is Melissa one that Melissa did, and that was checked by me. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1078.63 1089.83 So yeah, y if you do see um something like um U. H. M. for um, you you would change that to the regularised v version. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1089.83 1100.42 Um and we just ch you know, this is arbitrary, but we had to choose something and not let it get too convoluted with um with choice. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1067.06 1067.36 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1067.32 1067.54 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1072.24 1072.47 Right. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1076.48 1076.99 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1078.14 1078.63 Okay. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1085.99 1087.84 Yeah, just change it to um. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1086.83 1087.11 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1089.13 1089.48 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1094.61 1094.88 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1094.86 1095.3 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1103.8 1104.72 Here's 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1104.07 1108.27 So if they pause, just where you've got it highlighted at the moment 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1108.36 1108.64 Uh-huh. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1109.83 1111.14 That wor the hyphen. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1111.73 1112.98 Mm-hmm, there. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1133.75 1134.46 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1130.39 1133.75 But is it a t any hesitation? 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1124.33 1130.39 'cause I'd sometime if it sounds like he could carry on saying the whole sentence, I sometimes don't have a hyphen there. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1113.01 1119.02 So I have to re-do the meetings from the minutes from the last meeting. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1119.02 1124.33 Was she was that a like w r real definite I'm starting a new sentence here,
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1134.46 1134.78 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1130.16 1130.99 Um I 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1132.04 1133.16 But it is a back-track. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1133.38 1133.91 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1133.8 1134.59 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1139.83 1140.61 A phrase. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1134.59 1139.83 So it's not necessarily restarting the sentence, but just a restart of any type. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1134.93 1135.88 We do the meeting. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1135.88 1137.44 The minutes, yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1137.08 1137.28 Right. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1144.43 1147.44 it n doesn't have to go back all the way to the S. node 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1137.88 1141.72 Yeah, I think of it in terms of, you know, not even maybe to well 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1151.34 1158.04 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1147.44 1151.34 but it just m it might go back to the last node or something like that. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1141.72 1144.43 if I th if you think of it in terms of a syntactic tree 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1144.21 1144.44 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1148.05 1148.31 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1156.39 1162.48 Oh goodness, who would know what that was uh if somebody that didn't know about linguistics were trying to transcribe S. node. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1149.55 1156.39 Just one to the next door, yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1164.58 1165.75 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1162.48 1164.58 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1165.75 1166.73 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1149.96 1150.35 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1151.38 1153.08 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1153.08 1158.08 Thank you for that description, Beata. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1161.01 1166.38 Well it's just my way of of knowing if it w sorry, 'cause linguistics is all I've ever known. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1168.52 1173.68 Here's a uh so that answers your question about that answers your question about this one up here? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1181.31 1183.4 Um or a stutter, I would say. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1173.68 1174.32 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1174.32 1181.31 Here's where I've I heard a another sound, another false start. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1172.16 1172.78 Yes, yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1171.27 1172.16 Sorry? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1187.96 1188.27 Oh yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1187.36 1187.96 Let me see. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1193.23 1196.42 I'm not seeing where this is. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1197.08 1198.47 You're three lines in. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1199.07 1199.9 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1199.9 1200.53 Okay, okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1203.08 1203.56 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1218.84 1219.98 The the letter D. . 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1213.66 1218.84 And there was a vowel in there, but you noticed that she just used the and that's fine. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1212.13 1213.66 So, that kind of thing. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1212.77 1213.08 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1213.23 1213.58 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1218.68 1219.5 What's the 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1218.83 1219.08 Okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1219.18 1219.6 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1220.36 1222.44 What's the C. ? 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1222.44 1223.2 Is that a 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1222.46 1224.8 That's she would like see. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1224.8 1225.93 She 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1225.34 1227.15 There's a d judgment is that that 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1234.42 1235.26 Oh, sorry. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1235.26 1237.03 I didn't go f back far enough. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1237.91 1238.95 Oh, I've not used that button yet. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1239.54 1243.3 Where you've written at et cetera, is that how we're supposed to be writing it? 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1243.3 1243.65 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1243.88 1246.84 Um where is that. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1249.09 1251.02 Um uh up here. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1246.84 1249.09 Yes, she's so she spelled it wrong. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1242.82 1243.88 Yes. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1247.52 1247.81 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1249.08 1249.42 Where? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1251.8 1252.73 Oh, et cetera. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1252.92 1254.99 Yeah, so I d I mentioned that because of spelling. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1254.99 1256.45 And yes, any g 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1256.42 1257.9 Is it one word or is it two words? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1256.83 1256.85 I 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1259.22 1263.64 So I d I just said spelling. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1258.19 1259.22 It's one word. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1263.64 1265.58 It's an admonishment. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1265.58 1265.89 Sorry? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1258.96 1259.3 Okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1262.69 1264.96 Because I thought it would be like et alii. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1266.36 1270.6 But in sh it isn't it in Latin like et cetera, like et alii or 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1267.59 1268.34 Et cetera. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1271.01 1275.04 Uh like A. T. is uh 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1280.32 1285.94 et et al et alii is the full word, and et cetera means and following. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1274.11 1280.32 No no no, like et w you know, when you have uh when you have a citation and you say et al, it means and others,
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1285.94 1286.41 So 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1279.06 1279.33 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1286.8 1288.42 In the dictionary here it's one word. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1288.63 1290.52 Oh in it is, okay, yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1287.53 1288.63 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1308.33 1310.79 Um but anyway. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1291.34 1299.56 If you have any questions about spellings, I i I think I m might have sent an email to this effect, just check the Oxford English Dictionary online. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1310.79 1312.16 You can 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1299.56 1301.89 Uh and that's that will be our guide. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1289.25 1291.34 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1301.89 1308.33 Um, so a as far as I know, this is just missing an E. cetera. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1298.16 1298.36 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1298.68 1299.21 Okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1307.32 1308.18 Mm-hmm, yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1313.85 1317.91 We've considered experimenting with running this through a spell check. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1322.14 1325.66 But I think it would slow things down too much. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1317.91 1322.14 You could take this as an Emacs file and run a spell check on it. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1325.66 1331.62 So just hopefully i in going through this very carefully you're going to notice these misspellings. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1317.93 1318.53 Mm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1321.93 1322.28 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1324.54 1325.25 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1327.21 1329.4 Would give Emacs a headache as well. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1325 1327.21 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1326.03 1326.49 I think 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1331.14 1331.39 Yeah 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1339.93 1340.98 anything with a hyphen. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1343.99 1352.01 But uh to just use simple Emacs, it will uh basically mark um all the word fragments for you, and uh, you know,
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1331.39 1339.93 I think i if somebody could write I don't know how difficult it would be in practice to write a script that would ignore um all the word fragments 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1352.01 1355.92 and I know from experience, at some point you also get negligent,
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1340.98 1343.99 Then a spell-check might make make sense. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1355.92 1360.43 you just click okay okay okay, you know, that's not a mistake, and then you might miss a real error. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1360.43 1361.71 So it doesn't make any sense. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1331.36 1331.54 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1341.51 1342.65 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1350.84 1351.37 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1357.95 1358.66 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1365.27 1369.05 Um That's what we'll do. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1361.33 1362.98 Yeah, I th I think you're right. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1359.75 1361.33 Right. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1362.98 1365.27 So we'll we will just hope that you catch it. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1365.56 1367.22 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1370.92 1371.56 Um 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1369.68 1370.92 Yeah, the C. . 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1371.76 1372.51 So 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1371.4 1371.76 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1374.64 1375.11 Sorry. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1381.54 1384.56 So I think she just she didn't catch the full form. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1383.04 1383.39 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1383.44 1388.36 She was cutting off rather than saying she would like s to have see something. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1384.49 1384.72 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1387.41 1388.6 Right, right. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1388.6 1389.65 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1389.65 1392.83 She I think she meant to use the infinitive, but she just left off the to. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1388.43 1388.61 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1392.52 1398.01 But see is a actual full word, shouldn't it there b shouldn't there be a space between see and the hyphen? 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1393.8 1394.74 Is a whole word. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1403.17 1404.78 She would like see. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1399.11 1403.17 A space between She would like see. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1399.38 1402.13 You know, not to be not to be pedantic. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1400.62 1400.96 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1404.32 1407.2 After the no, the the C. and the hyphen, shouldn't there be a space? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1406.96 1409.62 Yes yes yes, you're right. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1409.62 1409.88 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1410.21 1410.49 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1410.85 1411.39 'Kay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1418.02 1419.41 Let me save that. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1413.25 1415.56 Uh that was what you were m remarking about. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1415.56 1416.87 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1416.87 1418.02 There we go. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1419.41 1419.84 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1411.67 1413.25 Exactly. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1414.54 1417.47 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1413.57 1414.54 I should've just said it that way. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1412.3 1413.57 Thanks, that's what I was asking. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1412.65 1416.35 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1421.01 1421.73 What else? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1427.24 1430.22 So um 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1421.73 1427.24 Um be careful about um finding mis-transcriptions. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1431.92 1433.16 Um the would and w 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1446.15 1447.39 And so 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1444.03 1446.15 So she t she transcribed that as would. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1445.83 1446.64 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1446.33 1446.68 Uh-huh. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1446.56 1447.66 No. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1447.66 1451.35 But sometimes it's really difficult, sometimes you really don't know whether they're saying will or would. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1454.24 1456.08 I mean obviously there are gonna be ca 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1451.83 1454.24 Well, I think it's quite clear there. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1452.77 1453.42 That one was clear. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1452.78 1454.07 Yeah, he it it's his yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1459.61 1460.15 Or 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1455.27 1459.61 But if if it's not clear, do I just pick uh do you just pick the more grammatic alternative? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1459.92 1463.95 No, you try to keep it as true to what's being said. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1462.97 1465.76 But if it but if it's really not absolutely not clear, 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1462.07 1462.97 B yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1466.29 1468.01 Then use um 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1466.92 1471.87 when they say instea you know, some people when they swallow up the the last bit. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1472.42 1474.19 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1489.14 1489.59 But 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1479.27 1480.81 Uh it ju I'd just have to hear it. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1480.81 1489.14 Um M I'd you don't want to b um be prescriptive and and type what you think they should've said. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1474.19 1479.27 I'd have to hear it, because it m sounds like it could be a fragment. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1473.27 1475.37 Or do we just then transcribe? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1475.37 1475.65 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1477.91 1478.18 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1478.95 1479.4 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1486.85 1487.15 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1485.83 1486.85 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1488.45 1488.86 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1490.79 1494.93 but I I I do know the type of scenario you're describing. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1499.84 1500.67 Mm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1494.93 1499.84 I just it's just hard to answer that without hearing something. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1496.45 1496.81 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1502.44 1503.45 The um should be capitalised. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1508.35 1508.63 But 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1504.62 1508.35 Yeah, they should all I I stopped marking them, 'cause there are just too many. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1505.85 1506.03 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1506.9 1507.24 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1508.99 1512.39 'Cause the loose uh is continuing from one sentence, isn't it? 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1508.5 1508.99 Should it? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1513.44 1514.19 That's right. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1511.67 1512.86 Oh yeah, y you're right. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1512.86 1513.44 Right. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1514.19 1514.7 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1510.49 1511.67 Uh let's see. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1513.83 1514.15 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1513.03 1513.83 No. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1511.71 1513.03 Oh, okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1520.02 1520.88 Um and 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1518.75 1520.02 There was a yes in there. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1520.37 1520.52 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1522.58 1523.32 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1520.62 1522.58 Was there? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1521.86 1522.09 Yes. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1526.16 1526.78 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1526.21 1526.55 Oh yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1532.51 1533.3 Um 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1529.87 1532.51 So another missed false start. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1538.72 1542.9 But you don't need to mark that as a separate sound. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1537.34 1538.72 There was creakiness on the she. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1542.9 1543.56 Um 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1547.75 1551.26 'cause I've not been sure if there's an if the laughter's been cutting everything off. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1543.23 1547.75 Sometimes I've made buts after la like words after laughter, I've made them capitalised 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1551.38 1552.57 Mm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1552.57 1562.88 If it sounds like um the laughter is just um interrupting a an utterance that continues after the laughter, I wouldn't worry about capitalising. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1559.31 1559.65 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1559.69 1559.95 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1567.49 1569.21 Do you put the laughter in front? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1577.67 1578.1 So 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1569.21 1573.29 Or in what I usu when that happens what I do is I put laughter in front,
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1573.29 1577.67 then the whole sentence and laughter in, you know, at the end as well. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1560.94 1567.49 Um okay, so what about if a whole utterance is uttered while laughing? 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1567.98 1571.8 During. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1577.22 1581.48 If you hear just laughter on either side, yeah, do that. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1580.61 1581.04 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1581.04 1582.98 No, but it's it's laughter th throughout. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1583.17 1586.73 Yeah, yeah, mm I don't know, we'll have to I'll 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1586.76 1592.8 There's some people laughing themselves silly at absolutely nothing while while they speak. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1586.14 1586.76 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1597.43 1600.24 I'll f I'll talk to Melissa and Jean. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1590.32 1597.43 Okay, so laughter during speech. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1600.24 1600.46 S 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1596.5 1596.75 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1599.41 1605.31 Because in the ICSI dialogues um they always say, you know, while laughing, and we don't do that. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1616.61 1618.73 I think there is a distinction there and we don't have that. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1605.31 1616.61 So They say either so there it's really not ambiguous whether it's just laugh followed by an a normally spoken utterance or whether it's an utterance spoken while laughing. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1604.82 1605.28 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1609.28 1609.58 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1616.67 1617.12 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1621.66 1624.57 But um I'll f I'll 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1619.04 1621.66 No, we don't have any qual tags like they use. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1619.82 1620.13 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1625.79 1630.58 I'll figure that one out and put it up on the wiki or email you. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1627.84 1628 'Kay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1634.83 1636.75 Mm, see. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1631.77 1632.86 Good question. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1632.86 1634.83 I've come across that as well. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1649.09 1651.12 Um we can skip on. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1651.12 1653.32 There are other types of things I wanna point out. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1644.57 1649.09 Oh yeah, I don't know what that that noise was indicating. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1654.51 1656.93 Um let's see. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1665.81 1667.1 Morse code. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1682.2 1683.11 Was that circuit? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1682.5 1684.51 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1684.18 1688.12 I figure if she is a person that calls circuit circuit 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1685.69 1686.08 Did you 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1685.78 1686.07 Morse. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1688.08 1689.25 Did she say circuit? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1689.25 1690.13 I didn't really hear that. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1690.02 1690.76 How do you know it's that? 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1693.22 1697.18 Just um if it's her, I just caught the end of it and 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1690.69 1693.22 I'm not sure if she did. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1691.36 1694.74 So would would you have been tempted to put an asterisk after that? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1700.53 1702.17 Uh yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1704.04 1704.45 The. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1700.55 1701.54 No, not for that one. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1701.54 1704.04 But I had one person who said circuit. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1700.83 1701.95 Cir circuit. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1701.94 1702.37 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1703.9 1704.75 Oh, okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1715.47 1716.26 No? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1707.57 1715.47 I thought asterisk is something where um it's c it's pronounced as a totally different word, like evaluation and evolution. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1703.98 1707.57 But then I w but then I wouldn't put an asterisk on it. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1716.26 1716.71 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1714.84 1716.1 No, not necessarily. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1716.1 1720.86 No, it's just something that the speech recognizer is liable to trip up on, I think. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1720.42 1726.5 Yeah, cause I this is a very frequent mistake that no native speakers make, to say circuit instead of circuit. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1719.46 1720.42 Oh. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1724.05 1724.4 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1731.78 1736.21 I depending on how how different the vowel sound was. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1736.21 1738.81 It's gonna be your call in a lot of these cases. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1726.44 1727.6 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1727.6 1731.78 Um y that may be, but I probably would flag it. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1735.08 1735.36 Mm. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1736.53 1736.83 Oops. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1748.98 1749.83 Sort of. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1737.6 1744.67 Yeah, something like if ha I did that one 'cause it is well, a language teacher wouldn't low allow that to mo move on to the next stage. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1744.67 1748.98 That wouldn't they wouldn't let that pass. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1751.27 1752.15 Okay, here 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1746.55 1751.27 Mm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1746.63 1750.16 Mm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1751.69 1752.26 Or I wouldn't. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1752.26 1753.76 If somebody that, I'd point it out to them. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1753.94 1761.63 Here's a case of um where I found it n uh found a case of discontinuity. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1765.44 1771.97 But you know, because she's a non-native English speaker, I don't I don't know. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1771.97 1775.55 Maybe that was grammatically n uh 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1779.21 1782.35 Maybe that wasn't uh her re-starting, maybe sh that was 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1777.7 1779.21 If you know what I mean. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1776.75 1777.7 unmarked for her. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1778.39 1778.8 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1781.91 1787.01 Yeah, 'cause otherwise you could end up putting a hyphen after every hesitation mark that you have. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1785.29 1786.27 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1787.7 1789.09 So again I don't know. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1789.09 1791.9 That w that was my reflex at the time to put that there. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1791.9 1793.07 But 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1786.32 1787.7 Mm mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1789.9 1790.35 Just if 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1792.9 1796.62 Just a prosodic marker rather than an actual hesitation. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1796.83 1798.04 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1798.04 1798.52 Well 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1798.05 1800.37 Uh as in a whole s like back-channel. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1802.29 1804.31 Unless you kinda get Right. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1810.61 1812.9 I th I just read the rest of the sentence. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1809.65 1810.61 Oh yeah, sorry. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1812.48 1813.68 Is push buttons two words? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1816.84 1820.54 Yeah, I would type it as two. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1820.54 1824.21 Mm okay, I'm gonna skip ahead. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1814.85 1816.84 Uh yeah, yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1824.21 1825.86 Oh, let's see, there was a c 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1816.68 1817.45 I used one word. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1818.87 1819.27 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1833.91 1844.13 So I I hear she would quite clearly there and I think a good number of them you'll be able to resolve just just helps to have the context and be able to listen to it again. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1835.68 1836.03 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1836.29 1836.84 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1840.04 1840.43 Okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1843.34 1846.22 Well it could be she would or should as well. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1846.22 1846.45 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1847.8 1849.85 Yes, it could be a lot of things. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1849.85 1850.92 Um 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1845.65 1846.3 Well. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1846.3 1847.8 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1858.9 1863.03 So there is there is another case where there wasn't a space between uh 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1862.44 1862.71 Right. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1864.67 1867.21 a non-word fragment and um 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1866.05 1866.37 Mm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1871 1872.81 What else. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1872.81 1878.15 There is an extra little symbol in here, and that was just kinda carelessness. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1870.01 1871 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1868.33 1870.01 a re-start. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1878.15 1879.12 Um 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1905.22 1908.61 Uh no. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1900.33 1901.83 I haven't been. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1904.19 1905.22 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1882.54 1888.32 So d even if it's something as brief as mm-hmm, we're we're gonna go ahead and capitalise that. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1908.61 1909.97 Um 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1901.83 1904.19 I don't think it's necessary. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1895.78 1900.33 do we do we use punctuation in these cases, and I don't know. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1888.32 1895.78 And Maarika asked me what to do in the case of an utterance just consisting of laughter,
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1901.2 1902.81 I haven't either. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1902.81 1903.67 It's just too silly. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1902.27 1904.35 No. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1905.61 1907.91 'Cause it's not linguistic. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1909.24 1910.15 Well, not yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1910.15 1912.43 I know, I yeah, you could think of an argu 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1928.94 1932.64 Sorry. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1909.9 1928.94 I'm just thinking of uh you know an utterance consisting entirely of laughter and then putting like punctuation in, like. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1934.44 1934.95 But 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1919.71 1934.44 Or should we start it if we start the conversation in the common room, like is laughter linguistic, then they could come up with a theory. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1923.13 1927.11 Someone's gonna have fun transcribing that now. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1928.31 1929.31 Delete and collapse. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1933.65 1934.47 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1935.82 1938.39 I'm trying to underst I'm trying to interpret my note here. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1945.74 1946.16 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1938.39 1940.87 Delete and collapse the surrounding segments. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1940.87 1945.74 Okay, I guess there there just really wasn't enough to transcribe there. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1941.42 1941.88 Oh, d 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1945.76 1950.23 Yeah, because it was it was really just silence and you're asking the person to just get rid of. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1955.47 1958.29 And that won't play any surrounding segments. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1958.29 1962.06 So there's nothing there worth transcribing. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1962.06 1963.84 Um 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1950.66 1955.47 So like I said, click down here just to if you haven't learned that trick already. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1950.27 1950.66 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 1954.12 1954.45 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1955.78 1956.11 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 1960.25 1960.52 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1968.41 1970.78 Uh 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1972.62 1978.64 Oh, I just noticed the the random yeahs, like with having the hyphen before they're s 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1980.49 1981.76 Uh if you scroll up a little way. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1981.93 1982.33 Uh-huh. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1986.61 1989.34 Yeah, that ha um the second one from the top. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 1989.34 2000.43 Thinking I'm gonna have to go back and find my places where I've had someone pausing and then saying yeah yeah and then this that I've not had I need to go back and find uh p put hyphens in. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1989.34 1989.74 This one? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2001.33 2001.5 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2000.44 2001.33 I see, I see. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 1998.74 2000.44 Oh so you haven't put a hyphen there. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2000.66 2000.86 Mm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2003.04 2003.83 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2004.44 2005.41 Hyphens or commas? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2006.82 2008.48 Commas. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2008.48 2010.55 Commas did you say? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2010.55 2012.09 Oh 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2009.24 2009.74 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2013.46 2015.73 For g for that s type of situation? 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2014.23 2015.07 No, s alright. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2015.07 2017.73 No, I've I've th I've sort it out. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2016.45 2016.77 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2017.2 2017.62 Yeah, okay. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2022.56 2024.44 Should that be no comma? 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2017.88 2022.56 Actually, um a couple of times where they've repeated a word, I've put a comma between them. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2024.44 2025.83 Oh, r okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2024.37 2025.27 Commas are fine. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2025.27 2031.1 I mean they're eventually they're going to be extracted globally, so it doesn't matter how you use the comma. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2031.1 2035.85 Yeah, we can just wipe them out in one fell swoop. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2027.85 2028.12 Right. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2029.16 2030.22 Oh right, okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2029.77 2030.46 Alright, okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2030.91 2031.36 Okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2030.24 2030.91 Oh. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2032.95 2034.98 Okay. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2037.65 2039.98 So um 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2034.98 2037.65 'Cause I get I get quite prolific with my commas at times. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2033.27 2034.87 So we don't have to worry about commas. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2034.87 2035.58 Okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2034.49 2034.68 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2053.26 2059.08 They will I th they'll help in the case of discourse marking, but his point was that they're really subjective,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2038.59 2045.22 I I like commas and then uh Steve Renals, who's project manager, had a look at m I think it was my transcriptions. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2066.19 2070.8 I really like using commas. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2045.22 2047.93 What are all these commas doing in here? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2070.8 2071.67 Oh. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2059.08 2066.19 I mean something that you the transcriber here Yeah, yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2037.46 2038.59 I I am too. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2047.93 2053.26 But he didn't he ultimately he said it wasn't a problem. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2041.89 2042.2 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2044.97 2046.06 Okay. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2051.3 2052.05 Okay, cool. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2059.66 2060.37 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2062.62 2063.04 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2063.66 2064.98 Just to make sense of a sentence. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2065.31 2065.75 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2070.34 2078.36 I I read somebody's P. H. D. proposals yesterday and s and it's saying, well, you could have a comma in here and one there and 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2076.2 2085.82 Sh oh, she spelled cutest um with an I., so that that's just something I pointed out. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2087.69 2089.31 Um 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2085.82 2087.69 Okay, what else? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2084.9 2085.66 Okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2076.81 2082.23 What does cutest spelling mean? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2082.23 2084.9 Oh, okay. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2083.46 2084.25 Oh yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2088.29 2088.83 Cutest? 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2089.06 2090.31 E. S. T. . 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2090.63 2096.67 Thank you. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2096.67 2098.12 That one step behind. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2094.39 2096 Now this was our 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2091 2094.39 So here's let's see. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2100.65 2105.09 So she typed uh our and I I didn't quite hear that. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2105.09 2105.5 But 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2102.8 2103.36 Oh okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2108.17 2111.71 But I you can see how it could've been, I don't know. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2108.42 2108.67 Oh. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2108.63 2109.02 Oh. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2109.61 2110.46 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2111.25 2114.38 Well, if you were Cockney, then Sorry. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2113.71 2117.01 Yeah, I don't know. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2116.71 2124.37 Sometimes you get like an uh and it g you're not sure if it's an, an A., yeah, or an m it Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2120.84 2121.78 A. or 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2122.73 2129.62 And you can never know, but if it fits well enough as a as an indefinite article, then you might as well. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2122.07 2122.73 Right. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2126.19 2126.71 As an. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2128.19 2130.31 Yeah, do it as Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2129.78 2132.04 So which did you dec uh did 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2131.64 2136.33 Oh, I was s I was suggesting that sh it be uh instead of our. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2142.1 2142.49 But 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2142.46 2144.16 Evaluation. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2144.16 2147.51 The z z 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2151.6 2153.83 Um I don't know. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2143.9 2151.6 Yeah, I it's tricky, it gets ambiguous. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2144.13 2144.44 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2145.64 2147.34 Several vowels in there. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2149.5 2150.46 Evaluala? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2158.9 2160.52 Well oh, she's 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2157.89 2158.9 Uh what's this? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2164.38 2169.75 The but this being a head-set mic channel m may make it easier to hear. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2169.75 2172.17 She transcribed from the lapel mic. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2163 2164.38 I hear the well there. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2172.17 2172.5 Uh 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2164.19 2164.54 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2164.23 2164.48 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2164.27 2164.67 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2168.12 2168.57 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2171.76 2180.85 I've had one person with a dodgy headphone with with dodgy something where most of the time it's it's as if they've got their hand over something. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2174.55 2175.91 Oh. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2175.91 2176.48 Oh. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2213.67 2218.59 But let us know, because we can retrieve the the other files. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2209.69 2213.67 But but apparently other than that they're just as good. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2195.86 2200.07 which we weren't asking them to do, but anyway they did it. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2200.07 2203.33 And so now we don't have the lapel mic files. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2190.21 2195.86 In fact, they replaced all the lapel mic files on the M. M. M. server with head-set mic files,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2180.87 2181.79 Oh God. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2203.33 2206.71 Apparently the headset mic files are are just a bit louder. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2186.26 2190.21 If that comes up again, we've got um headset mic files now. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2206.71 2209.69 And so you'll f probably find yourself turning the volume down considerably. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2181.79 2186.26 And you transcribed that speaker entirely? 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2181.69 2182.33 That's harsh. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2183.62 2187.66 Yes, the uh yeah, it w it's for 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2190.38 2190.71 Right. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2195.17 2195.42 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2195.69 2195.96 Hmm. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2195.8 2196.32 Oh okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2206.78 2207.01 Right. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2206.82 2207.12 Right. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2210 2212.31 Thank you for the warning. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2213.48 2213.69 Right. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2224.92 2229.67 I had this one um in one of the first dialogues I did, the g this guy called Ed,
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2232.84 2242.36 being just hitting um the b the boundaries on on both ends and just being at some points just black segments. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2217.42 2224.92 Yeah, with some people it actually leads to some really screeching noises, because they're so loud or probably the mic is so close. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2229.67 2232.84 you could uh always see the waveform actually, you know 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2242.36 2248.33 And when he was talking there was this whole, like you know when you speak to close to a microphone, and that was really horrible. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2235.21 2236.21 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2247.82 2251.73 Lot of people that say is this on and they hit it a few times. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2251.73 2252.96 No. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2251.32 2254.65 Oh. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2254.65 2255.6 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2255.6 2264.23 I don't think I'm gonna go through uh any more of these, because I I think I've gotten through most of the types that I meant to point out. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2257.42 2257.83 The rest. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2261.4 2261.71 Hmm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2269.78 2273.26 And you don't know how to spell the name or if you heard the right name. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2264.36 2269.78 How about names that somebody says the name of somebody and you think, who? 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2266.65 2267.15 Mm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2274.09 2277.01 Um what are we going to do for that. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2269.63 2274.09 Uh right, right. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2276.57 2277.29 Mister Ed. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2278.02 2278.36 Sorry? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2278.73 2288.69 Oh, I had one guy, one of the project managers was um he had a really weird accent and he was calling um one guy Mister Ed. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2295.48 2295.89 Or 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2288.69 2295.48 His name was Ed, and it took me a whole time to, you find out that it was actually Mister Ed. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2288.6 2289.21 Mister Ed. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2288.63 2289.3 Mister Ed? 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2294.63 2295.09 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2295.09 2298.67 Or myst mystery Ed or something. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2296.94 2298.32 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2298.32 2302.89 No, but that it wasn't one word, that it wasn't like some proper name starting with M. . 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2297.98 2298.46 Oh it 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2301.27 2301.77 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2303.09 2305.01 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2303.1 2303.73 Mister Ed. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2312.08 2315.64 so I'll I'll have a look at that and see how we can handle that here. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2305.69 2312.08 I d I did see s I've been looking at some guidelines for another corpus and I did see something about proper names 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2318.79 2321.23 Know the people na people's names, like when you 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2313.85 2318.79 Well, but don't you guys have um have this data? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2312.46 2313.85 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2313.16 2313.51 Right. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2318.69 2318.99 What 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2328.91 2333.16 yeah, it w it should be easy enough to get, but it's it's one other step,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2333.16 2336.78 you know, emailing somebody to find out who knows this information. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2336.78 2340.46 Anyway, it's 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2321.26 2328.91 Uh yeah, quite possibly, but since it's coming from ICSI uh it's coming from IDIAP in Switzerland,
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2322.33 2326.27 Collect the data, th aren't people filling out a form or something? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2335.3 2336.39 Okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2336.39 2336.81 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2338.77 2341.62 No, but it's information that we theoretically have. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2348.91 2361.86 But but there shou we should also have a w a means of dealing with proper names when we don't know what it is or how it might be spelled at all and and flagging that in in some way. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2342.19 2346.83 Yeah, yeah, because everyone signs a consent form when they participate in the experiment. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2361.86 2364.57 So I'll th I'll I'll try to address both things. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2346.83 2348.91 So we ought to be able to get that. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2343.48 2343.65 Mm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2347.6 2350.98 We didn't sign one. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2357.63 2357.94 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2364.26 2364.52 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2365.12 2366.77 What was Mister again? 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2366.77 2370.39 I can't remember seeing how to transcribe Mister. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2364.59 2365.12 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2370.39 2374.35 M. M. R. Mister 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2368.39 2369.9 Mister just to 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2378.08 2381.87 Is it I believe I believe check check the dictionary. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2372.46 2374.42 I M. I. S. T. E. R., yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2369.48 2372.46 Oh, just just type Mister fully. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2374.42 2378.08 And same with missus, M. I. S. S. U. S., I believe. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2381.87 2387.37 That yeah, but you would never um type the abbreviated spelling for anything. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2372.48 2373.15 No, M. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2371.8 2372.48 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2372.42 2373.98 M. I. S. T. E. R. . 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2376.44 2381.56 Mi U. S. Mi Missus, the Missus. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2377.53 2381.91 Okay, Missus. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2381.91 2382.44 Missus. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2378.11 2378.44 Sorry? 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2382.61 2383.23 Missus? 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2383.23 2384.09 Um 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2383.38 2383.71 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2386.63 2388.37 What if somebody calls themselves Ms? 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2386.83 2387.05 Right. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2389.23 2393.82 Um well, I'm sure there's a spelling in the O. E. D., yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2389.98 2392.89 I mean it's not not that it ever happened, but yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2390 2391.27 M. I. Z. ? 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2392.9 2394.21 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2394.21 2402.14 So um about um foreign words, what do we when we're checking um if we come up something so we just leave it as 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2396.81 2397.17 Uh-huh. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2400.65 2408.69 So the transcriber's enclosing everything in carets, and what you would do is 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2400.06 2400.65 Oh right. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2401.52 2401.95 Is that 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2404.71 2405.17 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2404.76 2406.16 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2406.16 2407.09 Not come across any yet. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2407.4 2412.48 I got one, which I it was French, so I knew how to ex spell it. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2409.19 2409.42 Oh. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2411.25 2411.63 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2415.25 2419.61 Um okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2411.89 2415.25 That's a good question, because you will be leaving question marks there. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2431.83 2437.35 But carets with question marks in-between would have to be resolved in some way. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2421.9 2431.83 Um it shouldn't, because things are going to be left like the asterisk will be left for the proc the subsequent processing. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2419.61 2421.9 Right. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2415.21 2415.69 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2417.8 2420.85 I mean if it's in carets and they know it's foreign, does that matter? 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2428.41 2430.13 Yeah, and the at symbol. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2430.3 2430.67 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2437.52 2440.6 Or could we just change it to an at between the carets? 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2440.6 2442.71 'Cause it's only intelligible theoretically. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2441.14 2442.03 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2442.03 2442.54 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2445.08 2450.42 You're not supposed to be polyglot transcribers here. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2440.14 2441.14 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2442.54 2445.08 I I suppose that's all we can do really. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2442.29 2442.64 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2445.01 2445.51 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2447.58 2449.34 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2447.71 2452.98 Oh, so even if we know what that word means we're not supposed to right. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2452.44 2453.26 Oh yeah yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2453.26 2458.37 If you if if f it's a foreign word and you know what it is, just enclose it in carets. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2457.17 2458.46 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2464.27 2473.28 and I know she is saying and then somebody s saying something to her and she goes comment and then you know you know that, so yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2458.46 2464.27 Yeah, 'cause I have there is one dialogue where I think two speakers are French, like one is definitely French,
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2469.27 2469.59 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2469.36 2471.66 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2471.66 2472.39 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2472.39 2478.19 If you if you're confident that you've got a fair grasp on French for example, why not. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2474.4 2474.69 Okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2476.01 2479.87 Oh, not really, but on comment, yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2477.19 2481.65 And not accidentally translating in the process. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2480.61 2482.6 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2490.82 2499.44 O. c c O. capital O. capital K. and huge no-no, I don't know why she missed that in the in the guidelines. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2499.44 2499.73 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2483.36 2490.82 Um there is there is just one other thing, she she typed okay um in caps. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2482.6 2483.36 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2489.3 2490.12 Oh yeah, I saw it there. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2491.98 2492.25 Ok 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2494.35 2495.65 No. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2496.26 2496.71 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2497.84 2498.34 There it was. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2498.98 2503.82 Are we doing okay just as O. K., not as a O. K. A. Y. ? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2501.32 2501.98 Okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2503.98 2504.29 No. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2526.23 2526.79 Yes. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2511.08 2516.07 Well, it will be your jobs to catch all of these things. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2504.05 2506.1 It is O. K. A. Y. . 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2516.07 2525.59 So no um n no transcriber will be checking no checker will be checking their t own transcription. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2506.1 2509.02 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2509.02 2510.21 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2526.79 2530.17 So we will catch these things 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2525.59 2526.23 Yes. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2510.21 2511.08 Okay. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2505.53 2511.73 A. Y., alright, oops. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2506.94 2518.55 Okay, oops. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2513.18 2516.48 Someone's gonna find some of those. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2518.34 2519.11 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2522.39 2522.86 Their own. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2523.71 2525.05 Checking their own work. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2523.89 2525.29 Checking their own transcription. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2526.04 2526.17 Right. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2526.9 2529.33 No transcriber will be checking their own transcriptions. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2530.76 2531.98 Have to remember that one now. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2532.05 2534.46 more efficiently, I think. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2534.46 2538.85 And on so I'll just go up to the board do I have to keep this stuff on? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2538.92 2540.96 Probably. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2539.31 2542.96 Guess it depends how far you can stretch. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2542.96 2548.6 Oh yeah, 'cause every time somebody'd be going over there you'd hear all this sound of 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2541.1 2542.62 Oh yeah, they've got clips. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2548.13 2548.55 Alright. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2543.67 2548.13 Right, I'm mobile. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2545.37 2547 D Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2547 2548.42 Wrestling to the white-board. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2548.1 2551.32 Yeah, I can hear the chairs moving and the 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2550.69 2554.73 And about five or six breaks in the between is the making it a. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2553.3 2554.75 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2564.15 2566.4 So let's see. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2566.4 2568.98 So oh, okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2555.69 2556.19 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2568.98 2569.38 Now. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2556.19 2564.15 So I guess just for the sake of using the white-board and killing a little more time I'll just write down the things that are most common to be checked. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2569.32 2571.37 Oh, the white-board marker has a camera as well. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2571.39 2575.94 looks like some piece of medical equipment. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2573.31 2573.87 Wow. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2574.66 2578.03 Okay, s alright. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2578.03 2580.32 Rather this is a list of things to do as the checker. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2580.32 2584.3 So you wanna listen to the silent regions. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2585.52 2585.78 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2586.61 2590.98 Then check the speech regions. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2593.19 2598.77 And as part of that you want to um check the boundaries. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2603.91 2606.71 And oh, by the way, this should be um 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2608.16 2610.77 Um transcribe 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2613.91 2616 any missed speech. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2623.66 2632.65 And within this checking the speech segments, you want to listen for or look for missed um 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2622.92 2623.66 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2621.06 2622.92 And just let's see what else. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2633.87 2639.93 Look for missed punctuation, 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2643.73 2646.19 filled pauses, 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2669.21 2673.07 Um words in st uh 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2654.97 2662.49 And if you have um if you have a stuttered word, you don't need to use the hyphen to mark discontinuity. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2662.49 2669.21 It's just so if somebody says the the, then it's just the the. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2650.47 2654.97 words in stuttering. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2663.64 2664.03 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2669.14 2669.47 Oh yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2679.44 2681.89 Try to get f false starts. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2677.34 2679.44 And what else. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2686.98 2694.94 Short words, make sure with little words like the and uh, little articles and that kind of thing don't get omitted. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2694.94 2696.78 Um short words and word fragments. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2699.21 2701.98 Those are the commonly missed things. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2707.57 2713.43 And then um look for cases of mis-transcription 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2718.81 2725.02 But anyway, Mis-transcription, so make sure if the speaker said will,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2725.02 2734.06 you type will not would or um if they say we, even though it might be more grammatically correct to type we're, um that kind of thing. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2734.06 2745.48 Um tha cases of ellipsis, where um maybe the transcriber typed them, but really what was said was 'em, so where you use the apostrophe. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2752.95 2757.55 Um, use the O. E. D. to check on things you don't know about. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2715.26 2718.81 Seems so silly to be writing this all. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2767.15 2767.81 Oh, was that 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2751.79 2752.95 Spelling. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2757.55 2767.15 Um refer to the wiki for all regularised spellings and f for things like filled pauses. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2745.48 2750.24 And look for capitalisation I'm not gonna gonna do any more of this. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2750.24 2751.79 Capitalisation. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2741.71 2742.02 M. . 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2743.22 2743.52 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2749 2749.29 Oh. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2760.63 2760.92 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2765.92 2766.76 I just remembered one. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2768.6 2773.86 Okay, when it's just as 'kay, but it's at the beginning of a sentence, should the K. be capitalised? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2773.71 2776.94 No well apostrophe and then K. A. Y. . 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2773.79 2775.06 W 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2774.76 2775.04 W 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2778.4 2781.21 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2776.92 2778.4 And then, yeah, capitalise the K. . 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2781.21 2782.33 And 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2778.34 2781.75 Good. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2781.5 2783.24 That marker smells really bad. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2816.84 2821.41 Um don't transcribe in-breaths or out-breaths. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2795.52 2797.36 What else did I find. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2809.96 2816.84 And and don't use it when the utterance is clearly continued in the next segment or whatever. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2836.89 2837.67 So 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2829.56 2836.89 Um and one other thing is to break break up long segments if you find any. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2821.41 2829.56 And okay should never be um two capital letters, it should be O. K. A. Y. . 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2784.79 2795.52 I used to always love smelling markers. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2797.36 2801.65 Um the so make sure the da the dash, the hyphen, whatever you call it,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2801.65 2809.96 is being used appropriately in cases of discontinuity, um but not in stuttering, like I said. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2783.31 2784.79 I think smells really good. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2784.55 2787.97 You've been doing this too long. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2790.78 2794.69 It probably became addicted to the fumes. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2794.87 2795.86 Grease paint. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2813.24 2813.53 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2814.18 2814.78 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2835.52 2835.82 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2837.25 2837.9 Over a minute. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2842.8 2846.66 I'd I'd say just anything that seems unmanageable. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2838.8 2842.8 Yeah, but that's a kind of crude guideline. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2842.88 2843.16 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2845.3 2846.53 Okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2846.53 2849.89 So if something is a minute and three seconds I can still have it, right? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2870.11 2875.71 That didn't help me too much, but you can use this little slide bar to adjust the resolution. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2849.82 2850.41 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2850.41 2855.42 Really uh it it means nothing to say a minute, it's just a g a really crude guideline. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2864.12 2870.11 And you can adjust the resolution so that Oh. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2849.38 2849.82 Ah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2855.42 2864.12 I would just try to keep segments very manageable um and a but u you know, use these wave-forms to help you. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2875.71 2877.24 Actually that doesn't seem to be working. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2852.95 2853.2 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2864.04 2864.52 Yeah, b 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2875.96 2878.14 Um if you just click on one of the arrows. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2880.31 2880.77 Which o 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2880.93 2884.69 Um in in the resolution thingy, um it will 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2881.31 2882.74 The arrows by the resolution. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2885.8 2887.53 Yeah, on this one. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2887.53 2890.72 No, not not the other one, this one. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2890.72 2890.98 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2887.17 2887.58 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2888.39 2889.44 The other arrow next to it. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2887.63 2888.39 Not that one. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2890.53 2890.73 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2891.17 2892.57 Right, okay, okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2892.57 2895.13 So yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2891.17 2892.53 Oh. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2892.53 2893.34 Is that zoom in? 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2893.49 2893.7 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2893.75 2894.84 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2894.84 2898.28 Oh, and you can also if you go to signal and 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 2897.04 2897.39 Wow. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2899.36 2904.47 Um that's it's something under signal, where you can adjust the amplitude as well, on resolution. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2904.95 2906.01 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2907.06 2907.5 Um 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2908.4 2909.56 Oh okay, right. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2909.43 2912.3 Then you can also wait. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2912.3 2914.34 No, I think that's not if you go to control panel. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2909.66 2909.95 Oh. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2914.5 2915.17 Uh-huh. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2915.72 2917.03 Signal control panel. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2917.03 2918.27 No no, signal, control pan 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2919.36 2919.69 Hmm? 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2920.6 2925.8 Um the vertical zoom, you can adjust that as well, so if it seems too flat for you or you can't really 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2924.31 2925.76 Ooh. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2932.27 2935.2 But I was hearing stuff, but I g there was nothing on my wave-form. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2925.76 2927.55 Ah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2935.2 2937.23 It's kinda hard to find where everything was. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2927.55 2932.27 That might have made it s 'cause I I appear to have nothing. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2927.26 2929.09 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2930.03 2932.34 Alright. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2929.09 2930.03 That's excellent. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2925.25 2927.26 Ah right, that's good. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2927.75 2927.97 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2933 2933.27 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2936.9 2937.3 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2939.26 2940.81 Okay. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2959.88 2960.31 I don't 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2940.81 2949.24 Yeah, so to help you make cuts, just look look f you know, use this wave-form and make sure you're not l losing any signal information. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2937.24 2939.26 Oh that's that's good to know. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2949.24 2959.88 But um cutting segments down is a l a low priority, but it it will help ultimately, I think, post-processing wise. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2939.1 2939.91 Control panel. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2954.84 2955.1 Right. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2959.94 2963.6 I think I've gone a bit far in cutting mine down at the moment. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2965.47 2968.95 'Cause that just ends up taking too much time. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2968.95 2977.49 But I d I think from a speech recognition point of view it shouldn't matter, these segments being whatever length that they happen to be. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2991.02 2992.43 And 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2977.49 2991.02 I've seen other p people's transcription guidelines like f for the um ICSI project at Berkeley and elsewhere say indicating that it really doesn't matter and it's the point is just to get 'em into manageable units. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2962.46 2965.47 Yeah, you don't don't get excessive about it. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2967.44 2967.7 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2973.97 2974.87 No, probably not. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2976.79 2977.09 Mm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2977.4 2977.7 No. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2987.4 2987.69 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2989.75 2990.09 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2990.28 2990.53 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 2991.69 2997.15 Easy for checking at any rate, rather than having to listen to a whole Anything. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 2993.36 2993.8 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3019.75 3024.12 all the um cases of ambiguity or whatever. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2996.18 2997.06 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3042.4 3046.53 And uh I've already allocated some some things to be checked. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2998.72 3001.96 Yeah, that's true actually, that's the best reason for cutting them down,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3029.26 3038.36 The way we'll be allocating this is is the same as before, th it's gonna be on the th the same the same page, just further down. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 2997.06 2998.72 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3038.36 3042.4 Scroll down, you'll see w all the files. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3046.53 3054.97 So if you run out of work, go ahead and start checking, because this is something that's um considerably um bottle-necked at the moment. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3009.64 3019.75 Um and then, yeah, just m um be sure after you've gone through the four channels to um do a search on all the unknowns 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3007.26 3009.64 Making the checkers' job a little easier. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3001.96 3007.26 but hopefully the that'll be done during the first pass, because that's the whole point. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3024.12 3029.26 And what else was I gonna say? 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3005.03 3005.3 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3035.97 3037.04 The work allocation page. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3040.67 3040.94 Mm. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3040.99 3044.35 I turned the page. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3047.25 3047.71 Okay 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3054.58 3054.87 Right. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3055.19 3056.62 So is this the priority then? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3068.98 3074.24 And I've indicated in a column whether something is priority. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3089.9 3093.12 Um there there is going to be a checking in procedure. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3099.99 3100.63 So th 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3056.92 3065.84 Yeah, I'd say for now um w we don't even have uh much new stuff to be uh to be gone over for a first pass. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3093.12 3099.99 I don't know if anybody's mentioned this before, but you'll you'll know about this with the C. V. S. server. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3083.47 3088.37 And when it come you don't want to change the file-name in any way. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3065.84 3068.98 So it's important that we d um do this second pass. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3074.24 3079.26 M I think I high typed high if it's high priority. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3088.37 3089.9 Just keep it the same. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3079.26 3083.47 Um so d those would be the ones you would focus on first, obviously. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3064.26 3066.42 Transcri yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3073.44 3073.67 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3077.16 3077.37 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3093.64 3094.01 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3099.17 3100.3 Mm yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3100.3 3107.26 Well, I don't know about I know about this for the summarisation, I haven't done this with uh transcription yet. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3107.26 3107.59 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3105.84 3109.27 Did you get the little buzz buzz? 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3103.12 3105.84 Turn the page. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3104.51 3107.76 It do yes. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3108.27 3129.89 But they're they're creating a their a guy Jonathan is creating a web form for you to do this all very simply and like just um upload everything that you've uh up upload the file that you've transcribed and and you'll be noting whether it's the first pass or the second pass and y your name um as the person who did that particular pass. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3129.89 3131.29 And that will happen soon. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3105.36 3108.27 Right, but it's be s y similar. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3131.29 3132.16 I'll let you know. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3112.74 3113.01 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3114.49 3114.77 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3119.71 3120.37 Oh right. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3118.54 3119.71 Checking in page. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3126.5 3126.74 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3132.2 3138.5 So do we just open the file as we open the files for the first pass, like open up the sound file and then it sh 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3135.96 3136.38 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3146.2 3146.79 Yeah 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3137.57 3146.2 Yeah, you'll have to I would suggest creating a f folder um called files to be checked or something like that. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3175.81 3183.19 Um and then you'll just uh yeah d you'll copy that over, you won't don't move it over,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3167.59 3175.81 So you'll have to get all the sound files from the M. M. M. server and the person's transcription file should be in that folder where you're putting yours. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3200.92 3208.18 um it will know which pass it is, but I think you'll also be indicating that as well. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3191.4 3200.92 And then when you check it in, it will automatically be registered even though the the first pass was checked in when we're doing this checking in business,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3183.19 3191.4 because we wanna have multiple versions of these things, but yeah, copy it into your directory and keep the same name. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3146.79 3159.6 and then within that create a s create sub-folders for the the given meeting and you'll have to get all the sound files unfortunately from the M. M. M. server on your own 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3159.6 3167.59 because the the AMI server's not very reliable for getting these sound files uncorrupted. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3145.3 3146.41 In your home directory. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3150.67 3151.22 Okay. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3152.23 3152.58 Yep. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3175.7 3176.62 Okay. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3184.79 3186.08 Then you'll lose it, yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3203.24 3203.59 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3219.37 3227.02 and the contracts say eighth of May, which is longer in advance than which is a greater amount of time than six weeks. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3211.03 3213.67 Um, you You'll know. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3208.44 3211.03 Uh it's vaguely connected question. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3213.67 3219.37 Um originally the like when we first like replied, say yes if you're interested in doing this, it said six weeks,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3210.74 3211.06 Uh-huh. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3219.52 3219.79 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3231.33 3232.04 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3227.88 3230.03 Is it three months, I think? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3230.03 3231.33 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3251 3261.03 Yeah, yeah, obviously those kinds of things are things we'll have to work around, but um yeah, it's just one of those details. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3236.86 3243.8 But it's just a logistic thing with personnel where where we ha that was the minimum we were able to offer a contract for. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3225.51 3227.88 Yeah, it's it' actually six what is it? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3232.04 3236.86 They're they're three-month contracts and now, if you can't keep that, that's fine. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3243.8 3251 So if you have to bow out, let us know as soon as you know when you you're gonna have to stop. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3228.98 3232.07 Sh Yeah, someone said three months. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3232.07 3232.46 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3229.31 3231.59 Um I've got a three month contract, yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3229.56 3229.92 That's 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3236.95 3237.22 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3238.9 3239.14 Right. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3242.2 3244.01 Okay, that's. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3244.01 3244.22 Cool. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3242.83 3244.12 Oh, okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3247.08 3247.39 Right. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3249.02 3254.38 When it gets into the holidays and we're not necessarily around in the holidays and and 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3250.81 3251.25 Mm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3257.27 3257.49 Right. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3259.67 3260.6 Just checking. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3260.42 3260.96 Okay. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3260.96 3266.19 Once we actually get into the like um Easter holidays, 'cause we're at having lectures at the moment 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3266.19 3271.53 can we be more flexible with our hours if we wanna sort of I mean depending on who's using the computers. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3265.87 3266.19 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3269.4 3273.84 I mean the whole point w of keeping well, as long as you're able to, yeah,
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3278.46 3284.99 The the whole point of having m regular hours was to make sure that somebody was here to answer your questions. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3273.84 3278.46 work out use of your computer with the other person, that's fine, yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3268.44 3269.4 I should think so. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3284.99 3291.64 But you've got keys, so so you should be able to get in during odd hours if if you wanted to work. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3276.23 3276.83 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3278 3278.48 Okay. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3283.62 3284.71 Yeah, sure. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3284.97 3286.5 Or else you can like p yes. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3286.15 3287.1 Yes. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3287.1 3287.22 Yep. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3290.72 3291.28 If want 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3291.11 3295.75 And if you can plug microphones into Apple Appleton Tower computers, I can do it there as well if you wanted me 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3307.42 3311.76 Paym I I think you'll all be paid. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3311.76 3315.77 I think you'll all be paid uh well, have you not 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3304.37 3307.42 And um yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3303.51 3304.37 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3294.72 3295.83 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3295.83 3303.51 Yeah, I don't see why not, as long as you're, you know, doing your given set of hours for the week. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3296.17 3296.65 Okay. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3298.49 3299.27 Know what you're doing. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3300.32 3303.02 We could meet up and have a session. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3310.14 3312.08 Phew. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3310.27 3313.34 That's a nice way to put it. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3319.55 3322.03 'cause I need to make sure I'm sending them the right form. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3336.22 3338.02 I thought I'm not going to spend w 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3327.85 3330.62 I thought, surely you don't need that information 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3330.62 3336.22 'cause it took me it was about to take me half an hour well it did when I was like just going through the forms and filling in all the details 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3314.57 3319.55 I'm having sort some s I'm having to sort some tax stuff out before I can even send my stuff in 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3322.03 3326.44 But they won't even know what examining board I got my A. levels in. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3326.44 3327.85 Yeah, for human resources. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3318.23 3319.26 Oh. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3318.36 3319.63 Mm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3319.63 3320.15 Okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3320.17 3320.54 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3321.73 3322.14 Okay. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3321.97 3322.45 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3325.57 3331.15 Really? 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3349.32 3351.6 Oh, maybe I'm getting mixed up with something else, but it wanted a 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3339.41 3349.32 A couple of hours getting photo-copies of degree certificates to give you for your files if I'm just gonna be here a good th they won't I think it th at one place it said give us copies of degrees? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3341.29 3347.42 No, that's certainly not necessary. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3341.29 3341.46 Yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3349.23 3350.27 Mm no. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3353.37 3353.91 Well it 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3353.65 3356.3 A. level like examining board, which seemed a bit ridiculous. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3361.4 3369.15 I mean if it's for this job and and getting paid, that that's not necessary and Caroline Hastings ought to be able to help you sort that out. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3376.25 3378.27 um I hope that's not not the case. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3369.15 3376.25 But j also if if pay is a matter um like if it's a matter that you haven't gotten paid for some reason 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3356.68 3361.4 If you have any th problems like that, mm um see Caroline Hastings. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3364.49 3364.67 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3363.3 3364.49 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3362.23 3363.3 Right. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3363.27 3363.53 Mm. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3363.34 3363.84 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3366.75 3367.39 Didn't think so. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3367.56 3369.1 Excuse me. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3375.48 3375.97 Yeah. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3377.48 3384.76 Yeah, I haven't gotten paid for the first two weeks, 'cause um I w I only have a three month contract starting February, but I started mid-January. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3383.14 3383.59 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3403.52 3404.25 But 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3385.6 3387.4 Talk to Caroline. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3398.94 3403.52 so you won't find me anytime after that. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3392.03 3398.94 I'm here full-time now, so I'll I'll be here m Monday through Friday and I l I leave at four now 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3387.4 3392.03 Yeah, 'cause I've I really don't know um why that would be. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3386.04 3386.36 Yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3387.08 3387.43 Oh. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3392.29 3392.47 Mm. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3393.96 3394.18 Alright. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3394.02 3394.24 Okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3399.2 3400.14 Mm-hmm. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3400.14 3400.42 Okay. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3401.86 3402.22 Alright. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3403.68 3406.08 Is your husband now a stay-at-home-dad? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3405.54 3410.52 Yeah, my husband's at home with the baby. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3410.52 3416.11 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3416.11 3417.86 He's uh four and half months. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3408.76 3409.24 Wow. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3412.92 3415.31 One assumes this. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3415.31 3416.12 How old now? 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3409.19 3412.92 Oh, so it is your baby then on the photos. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3418.11 3418.68 Oh. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3420.37 3422 A nice jolly little baby. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3419.25 3420.37 It's very lovely. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3421.59 3422.6 He's sleeping through. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3422.5 3425.04 Yeah, that's the question I was just gonna ask, does he sleep? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3429.98 3433.82 So he was uh I was just telling Melissa this do you want us to stop? 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3424.06 3429.98 Yeah, well um only as of Friday actually. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3433.82 3434.46 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3429.33 3429.71 Wow. 
EN2004a H02 FEO079 3434.15 3435.46 Yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3434.3 3436.9 Alright. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3437.03 3439.18 Oh good, that worked out well. 
EN2004a H01 FEE078 3436.35 3437.03 Yeah yeah. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3436.78 3437.13 Okay. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3441.25 3443.6 Oh, do we have to tick our note thing again when we finish this? 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3443.84 3444.44 Absolutely. 
EN2004a H03 FEE081 3442.88 3443.84 Oh yeah. 
EN2004a H00 FEE080 3444.93 3445.63 To say that we've 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5.98 8.56 So On its great joy. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 0.02 5.98 Five years just because of the floods bringing the ceilings down. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 5.92 6.55 Okay, great. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3.72 5.92 Alright, is it it's ready. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 11.5 12.34 Aren't they suing him? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 22.54 30.44 So they're not really the sort of people that are up for understanding um the intricacies of the committee, I guess. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 30.44 34.09 I mean i you would have thought they could, but it's r it's actually quite hard work. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 34.09 35.31 The law isn't very clear. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 13.59 17.85 I think they probably ought to, but uh they well 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 17.85 22.54 they've only just started realising that treating this as a legal issue is probably the right way to look at it. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 21.89 22.22 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 34.15 36.54 Can't th can't they get legal aid? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 38.03 39.57 That's a good question. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 41.91 44.2 It's just it's so strapped now, um you know 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 39.57 41.91 They p they uh they might be able to. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 51.66 55.36 So But yeah, that's probably the next thing they'll have to do. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 44.2 51.66 like the Citizens Advice Bureau is so hard to actually get access to because they've they have so many cases and so few people. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 52.55 52.76 Hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 55.62 55.81 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 57.32 58.48 Yeah, everything's okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 63.38 65.67 Are we supposed to count to ten or something? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 65.67 66.86 We don't have to do all that? 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 68.43 68.95 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 68.73 69.18 Okay. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 70.54 70.75 Hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 71.94 72.14 M 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 87.47 87.66 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 88.06 89.43 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 89.43 91.14 Okay, okay, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 118.32 121.87 and for us to figure out what help he needs with that. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 94.26 95.69 Right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 89.59 89.9 Okay. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 89.9 94.26 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 121.87 131.21 Um m maybe give him some help figuring out what publications he's gonna um get out of this and for us to make sure that it fits into the overall project. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 95.69 108.15 Well um I thought the right thing to do was to review what Wei-Xun's been doing in the area of dialogue structure for work package one over the last period. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 108.15 118.32 So basically for him to talk about what he what progress he's been making and then for us to um for hi for him to describe what work he intends over the next period of the project 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 92.7 93.48 Okay, thanks. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 92.89 93.62 Thank you. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 93.74 94.12 Thank you. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 121.42 121.84 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 139.02 150.78 but I wanted to make sure that we sort of all aligned on what he was doing at the moment and and then sort of figured out how to give him the best advice coming up. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 131.78 139.02 So um this is something that you know, we're not gonna do everything today 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 150.78 152.86 So that's that's why I called this. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 151.52 152.24 Okay, so 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 154.71 154.87 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 151.59 153.22 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 153.22 154.71 Okay, thanks. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 157.63 158.04 Great. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 154.75 157.63 You're gonna give a presentation for us then. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 156.61 159.97 Yeah, yeah a very or a quick uh slides. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 159.97 163.96 So um I've been here for fourteen month, I think. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 163.96 170.2 Yeah, so I've a accustomed to the environment here and enjoy staying here. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 170.2 171.71 So mm uh 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 204.66 215.68 So uh and currently I'm more interested in see uh uh, yeah, analysing the discourse structure in multi-party meetings. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 173.29 183.17 from uh last year I was uh uh s uh supervising the annotation of segmentation 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 218.63 219.96 So uh 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 183.17 197.47 summarisation uh uh with Jean uh of the I uh IC ICSI corpus and uh uh uh on the other hand uh I w n uh did s some very preliminary work on chunking the switchboard corpus. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 197.47 204.66 But uh that was not uh well picked up in the AMI corpus, which is supposed to be. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 215.68 218.63 This is what I'm going to present here. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 185.45 185.78 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 196.48 196.82 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 233.46 234.04 Um 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 222.08 233.46 uh in this presentation I'm going to see how we could analyse utterance to utterance relations in multi-party meetings. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 242.87 258.61 So interactivity is a concept is a concept that I'm using to distinguish the two uh uh extremes of uh of interac uh of discourse in meetings. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 271.44 283.35 Then uh I w I will uh give a very uh rough plan for the next uh couple of month. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 235.98 242.87 'Cause meetings is a lit different from normal text or a n a normal dialogue or monologue. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 258.61 271.44 And uh for dialogues uh and monologues I think we might have to use different uh concepts to m m uh model the discourse structure. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 283.35 287.94 And finally I I will intr i introduce some related work, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 287.94 288.44 So 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 308.48 317.58 So the concern here is about the very local low level utterance-to-utterance relations in multi-party meetings. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 290.36 299.05 the big question that I'm concern here is what's the relationship between utterances in multi-party meetings 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 317.58 321.18 Uh this is the local discourse structure. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 299.05 308.48 or how do we analyse discourse structure right above utterances instead of uh those high level intentional structure of discourse? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 333.95 342.43 the dialogue act which we're currently uh working on or uh and uh for meetings,
EN2005a H00 MEO082 342.43 355.29 yeah, so I've mentioned uh uh before that meetings is a bit different from uh monologue and uh dialogues. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 321.5 333.95 So the uh building block of that kind of uh structure would be the uh utterance and possibly one of its properties 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 369.65 382.21 I noticed that uh uh the interaction, degrees of interaction in the meetings uh varies from parts to parts. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 387.4 390.64 So it's obviously a dialogue. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 390.64 401.19 But uh for some part part where the interaction is very weak, uh just uh like the uh chairman or project manager is mm 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 382.21 387.4 So for some part uh the interaction is very strong. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 357.64 369.65 So uh in meetings I uh from my uh reading of the one of the AMI meetings I. S. one O. eight, uh the uh the four meetings,
EN2005a H00 MEO082 438.84 439.65 So 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 403.11 408.76 He's uh pushing the meeting forward, then this kind of s organ organisational structure or part. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 423.13 438.84 So this kind of uh interaction might be better analysed as monologue, which uh in which there is interaction, I suppose. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 401.59 403.11 uh coordinating the meeting. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 408.76 423.13 Uh uh and also other pr uh parts like uh the back-channels without any uh semantic content uh from other participants. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 463.04 466.75 So what measurements would you apply to um find out which is which? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 453.49 459.67 So you I think what you're doing is segmenting meetings into highly interactive parts and not so interactive parts 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 441.14 442.46 I'm a little bit confused. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 451.1 453.49 What are the measurements you'd apply? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 442.46 451.1 So um when you say interactivity, do you mean um well, how would you characterise a highly interactive meeting? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 459.67 463.04 where you think some of them are like a bit like dialogue and some are a bit like monologue. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 442.28 442.64 Uh-huh. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 446.15 446.44 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 460.24 462.1 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 462.1 463.19 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 471.27 478.53 So for this utterance, the next utterance, if it's from another pa uh speaker,
EN2005a H00 MEO082 465.33 471.27 So yeah, so this is going to be based on the utterance to utterance. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 491.16 492.84 So yeah, speaker change is 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 478.53 489.43 then uh if it's not a back-channel or uh something similar, then it's a dialogue. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 489.43 491.16 So if speak changes. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 491.93 495.54 So you mean relatively short turns and speaker change. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 508.84 520.66 That might not be analysed as a uh monologue, but as a dial uh no no no, wrong, uh not as dialogue but as um a monologue. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 495.56 507.17 Yeah, yeah, b but uh sh short uh turns uh like mm or something very similar might be the uh seg second type of interactivity 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 521.74 531.76 So for that part uh for that kind of back-channels we can just skip that and uh uh to not treat them as interruptions or something like. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 531.76 534.06 Then yeah, we could just uh 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 507.17 508.84 the weak interactivity. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 494.32 495.56 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 520.66 521.74 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 521.94 522.11 S 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 542.6 546.32 So what are th what are the characteristics of the interactive areas? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 546.32 556.63 So w so okay, so but you just said, I think, that you would characterise short turns as being the non-interactive parts. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 534.2 542.6 So so am I right in thinking you think that you can segment meetings maybe into two t types of areas, interactive and non-interactive? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 540.59 541.05 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 542.66 543.13 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 545.98 549.16 Speak change speak change would be yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 567.5 567.83 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 555.85 567.5 If if it's uh just some kind of back-channel or it's just a signal signal the s the speaker is listening or is understanding what's going on, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 564.99 567.32 Oh okay, well we we can discount back-channels. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 571.85 572.92 Or or do you get a c 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 567.32 571.85 I mean uh c are you is it okay if we talk about this for a minute 'cause I'm confused. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 579.3 581.4 I'm just wondering if he's prepared 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 572.24 579.3 I was just wondering if you were gonna define this more on the slides to come or if this is as much as you're gonna tell us. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 573.41 573.63 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 575.25 575.91 Alright. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 575.91 576.09 Alright. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 575.51 575.9 Uh-huh. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 579.04 579.99 Um 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 589.69 590.05 Uh 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 580.62 581.75 'Cause if this is all we've got 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 581.75 589.69 I think we should uh have interactive and non-interactive on the board and then figure out what properties going to each just so we're clear what the two mean. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 589.38 590.9 Sure. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 590.9 594.66 So so what did you have more on later slides about this? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 590.92 591.5 Yeah, so 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 604.12 610.07 So which might uh speak change whi uh uh would be a very good indicator, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 593.01 593.84 Uh yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 593.84 596.98 Uh so for interactivity this is the only slide. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 596.98 604.12 So yeah activity is uh I'd define interactivity to be as a degrees of interaction in meetings. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 597.36 597.65 Okay. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 604.05 604.99 Well uh okay 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 610.04 613.21 But are you you need to be more precise what you mean by speaker change. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 619.98 621.26 Right, and then 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 613.21 618.22 So y do you mean all of the speakers are involved in it? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 618.22 619.98 Is it sufficient for two speakers? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 612.17 612.39 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 613.91 614.97 Yeah, yeah yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 620.25 620.71 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 621.4 625.01 So actually, so uh this is a very rough idea of interactivity. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 620.71 621.4 No yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 632.63 638.8 So that might be some final definition for the uh interactivity, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 625.01 632.63 If we go further, we might distinguish uh the interactivity between two, f three, or all the groups. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 617.74 620.25 No, no. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 638.96 645.73 But we've also established that it's not just speaker change, it because if you have mm-hmm, okay, then 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 646.58 649.21 Weak this is a kind of weak interactivity. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 649.21 649.99 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 649.99 650.42 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 644.52 646.58 Yeah, so that might be the second class, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 655.57 657.11 Those are just back-channels. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 650.05 655.57 So so I mean you wouldn't necessarily consider that to change the turns. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 646.48 650.05 Okay, but that's n you can that's definitional, right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 674.51 677.08 Um so 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 657.11 674.51 So one speaker will have the floor channel um throughout that and so I guess what you're saying is that the interactive sections would have shorter speaker turns when you're not considering the back-channels as interruptions. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 648.45 649.09 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 649.09 650.75 Y yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 660.67 660.96 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 659.06 659.93 Right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 659.93 660.67 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 671.66 673.99 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 678.52 685.78 Well it might be the case that to be interactive there have to be dialogue acts of some specific type in a turn rather than 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 685.36 685.95 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 685.95 688.4 S yeah, yeah, actually 'cause uh I've looked uh 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 683.64 685.36 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's also true. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 687.74 688.38 Well do y 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 688.52 691.62 Like statement, statement, reject, accept, you know, something like that. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 691.55 693.27 Sufficient but not necessary maybe. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 690.94 691.55 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 693.27 700.49 It depend if you had so a bunch of people all just giving information and opinion around the table and they never actually ask questions of each other,
EN2005a H01 FEE083 700.49 703.36 but the turns were actually quite short, which one would it be? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 691.22 691.78 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 697.42 697.99 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 700.76 706.58 So for that case, yeah uh yeah, so this might be a weak definition of interactivity. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 736.16 744.85 uh I think for for the current uh proposal I think that it's just for distinguish between dialogues and monologues. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 721.02 728.29 We might um yeah need a more strict or finer uh definition of interactivity. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 744.85 750.66 'Cause for these two types of discourse, uh the uh 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 719.66 721.02 So that's d uh different. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 706.58 719.66 So if we could figure out uh if they are really interacti uh interacting with each other, or just uh uh incremental mm presentation of some information. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 700.25 700.76 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 728.29 736.16 Yeah, ju uh for this use of the uh for the use of this term for the indicator of the uh degrees of interaction 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 719.65 720.02 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 752.24 758.58 the the cons the the two that we are going to analyse the discourse structure might be d different. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 759.46 761.05 I remember you saying this before. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 758.91 759.46 Right, okay. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 767.96 768.55 Um 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 761.05 767.96 So basically you want to do the segmentation because you're going to apply completely different analyses to the two sections. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 760.49 761.5 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 792.07 797.79 So that's all what uh that's why why uh I'm distinguishing the two kinds of discourse here. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 768.14 773.46 And also 'cause uh I have uh read some of the M. O. T. A. uh corpus. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 773.46 786.65 Uh so for some part of th that kind of meetings um uh several utterances or dialogue acts are just uh tagged as statement. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 766.65 768.14 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 786.65 792.07 So that I don't think that would be very informative for high level str analysis. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 832.44 847.56 And I actually uh think that that's a slightly extreme um position um with regard to the literature that a lot of people might say it doesn't really matter who the different speakers are in an interactive section. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 847.56 857.59 You can still um build maybe the the same argument structure over the top of the basic um acts and propositional content that's there. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 798.34 811.23 So Wei-Xun quite takes quite a strong position on um this um difference between these two um kinds of group activities because he says that they admit different kinds of analyses. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 824.21 832.44 And uh with the other sections you uh um you you use some other theory to look at them. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 797.72 798.34 Right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 811.23 824.21 Right, the with the non-interactive, more monolo mono-logic sections of the meeting um you have to uh analyse them using something akin to rhetorical structure or something. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 824.31 824.54 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 852.24 852.71 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 858.09 867.34 And uh what you get is a messier version of the argument structure because not everybody has the same argument in their brain, you know, for this. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 867.34 874.47 But um but that the same theory or the the same analysis can be applied to both parts. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 877.59 887.34 and if you if you do need to argue that these two kinds of group activities uh can can only be analysed if you use different analytical mechanisms 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 874.47 877.59 So I think it's important to keep um that in mind 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 890.08 892.79 Right, so it it puts an extra burden of proof on the work that you do. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 887.34 890.08 then you have to explain why that is. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 874.01 874.35 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 889.92 890.24 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 896.13 907.33 I mean i for example you can't use R. S. T. across speakers because the definitions of the relations depend on the intentions of the speaker and there's different speakers have different intentions. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 915.13 918.27 So that doesn't mean there aren't other theo so for 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 893.66 896.13 Well, actually I don't quite agree. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 907.33 908.7 So you can't use the theory. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 908.7 915.13 It's just fundamentally wrong, it's it was meant as a theory for a one person uh right. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 896.28 896.65 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 896.82 896.99 Mm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 915.42 916.7 Yeah, the like yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 915.68 915.95 Right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 931.88 940.49 And so it's maybe it's not R. S. T., um but it's um more akin to um I don't know, is it Toolman? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 928.56 931.88 but an argument that is the group view. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 917.48 921.32 But to the grou degree that a group is building an argument together 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 940.49 945.36 But, you know, not that i but you know, the kinds of things where people to try to represent argument structure. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 921.32 928.56 I mean it I think wh what you're doing in a group discussion isn't necessarily one coherent argument f for the person 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 931.72 932.15 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 952.43 957.63 some of them admit of multiple parties and some of them assume you're in one speaker's head. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 944.28 944.43 Right 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 944.43 952.43 but those are very those are really different um theories that are at are trying to get at different things and it and they admit of m you know 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 957.63 958.64 Right, and the 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 958.05 961.61 Are are the important aspects of it for this analysis really that substantively different though? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 967.85 970.25 So R. S. T. would be a bad theory to use. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 962.4 967.85 Yeah, the entire theory is based on intention and the intention of one individual. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 961.91 962.4 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 970.25 970.35 W 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 970.18 973.59 But i if somebody if there's been an argument so far in a group meeting,
EN2005a H01 FEE083 973.59 978.42 and um somebody makes a statement, they have an intention about how to modify that group argument. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 986.33 988.96 But across speakers you can't. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 977.73 986.33 So modelling modelling a single contribution by a single speaker, you can within that you can use R. S. T. if you want to, right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 993.68 995.23 They the theory doesn't have them. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 988.96 993.68 They have no relations for things like reject or agree. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 988.33 989.33 Right, but but you're 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 995.27 998.98 Okay, so the r the relation names aren't aren't right, but um 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1005.46 1011.59 Now I think Alex um S. D. R. S. allows both kinds. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 998.47 1003.6 So the the so it's not the right theory 'cause the theory is the relations plus the notion of nuclearity. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1017.18 1028.89 Um but then across speaker turns you can have things like correction or I didn't see any examples of agree or disagree in S. T. R. S., but I there aren't? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1031.72 1032.89 But I d I don't 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1030.17 1031.72 So we should look at at what they are. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1028.89 1030.17 I mean there are thirty relations. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1011.59 1017.18 So you know, within a speaker turn you can have things like explanation and cause and all that. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1003.6 1005.46 So we need a different theory. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1005.87 1006.37 Right. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1007.56 1008.35 Yesterday, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1008.35 1009.78 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1009.78 1010.68 Might be a 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1017.39 1017.77 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1026.33 1026.88 Yeah. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 1028.9 1029.08 I d 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 1026.46 1028.9 No, I don't think so. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1031.39 1031.84 Yeah. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 1031.83 1031.94 Hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1032.06 1033.73 Well the relation names are less important. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1041.03 1051.03 And it just seems to me that if you've gotta have two dif separate apparatuses for the um speaker internal um argument structure and the group argument structure 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1037.04 1041.03 And that's that's less important than what the theory is trying to achieve. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1062.41 1070.96 adding something or changing the existing argument in some way by relating a contribution to what's um already on the table. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1033.73 1037.04 I mean people have argued for ages about exactly what relations were in any of these theories. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1070.96 1071.48 So 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1056.22 1062.41 'Cause in both cases you're um building up an argument publicly in this group meeting and then, you know 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1051.03 1056.22 that that's more appara apparatus than you should actually need for um from doing this kind of analysis. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 1032.66 1033.23 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 1034.44 1034.83 Yeah. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 1034.83 1035.01 Yes. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1036.82 1038.52 Well her the relations have a s 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1071.47 1079.19 D Yes, but so I mean the relation names it's not the names that are important, it's their semantics that are important, right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1079.19 1087.2 And they're the semantics of the relations are based on the semantics of the utterances that they're relating as Alex s explained yesterday. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1087.2 1098.61 Um and so um it is important that these relations have a semantics that's tied to the semantics of the utterances, right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1079.59 1079.9 Mm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1086.38 1087.15 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1112.84 1114.45 That's the entire history of these. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1098.78 1107.03 Yeah, c I just think well, I mean it all of these things when they encounter a new genre of um of uh actual data 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1107.03 1112.84 then they end up modifying building new kinds of relations with new kinds of semantics and adding them. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1125.05 1130.98 So the theory can handle the kinds of things that happen in meetings, as she explained. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1146.39 1156.47 was it the case that the representation of the utterances and the relations included which speaker was uh 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1138.15 1146.39 Now I don't remember, was which speaker you in the c in the example she showed yesterday 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1118.16 1125.05 do the kind of um truth conditional semantics that, you know, Asher and Lascarides have done, right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1130.98 1138.15 The actual computational mechanisms they have currently for building up the trees can't. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1112.41 1118.16 Uh p poss possibly, but few people have tried to, you know,
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1123.69 1124.13 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1123.97 1124.28 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1145.08 1145.42 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1156.34 1159.66 No, just a uh turn exchange, yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1168.44 1171.58 And then she had relation names and handles. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1160.36 1168.44 I mean it had the at the l at the leaves they had the well, she didn't show it, but they would have the semantics of the utterances. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1167.38 1167.8 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1171.14 1177.33 Actually sh uh she used some a a a bunch of features to do the automatic parsing. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1170.23 1171.14 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1178.59 1183.94 I just I just don't didn't remember seeing in the representation which speaker contributed what. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1183.94 1190.47 'Cause she did represent um discourse structures 'cause these were the Verbmobil scheduling dialogues. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1198.81 1205.92 in the in the examples she showed us, there were there was some that was just, you know, one party. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1178.33 1178.59 Right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1205.92 1209.59 It was a monologue, but then there was a snippet of dialogue as well with 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1190.47 1198.81 So the utterances in the in the representation were uttered by two different parties that wasn't the you know,
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1181.94 1182.27 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 1187.25 1187.63 Hmm. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 1187.63 1187.96 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1190.36 1191.08 Mm-hmm, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1194.35 1194.7 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1202.53 1202.79 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1208.96 1209.64 Right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1209.64 1219.99 So there you've got somebody who's doing theoretical development that would claim that you don't need two separate an analytical frameworks for these two types of activities that Wei-Xun has identified. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1219.28 1224.23 For this specific set of relations that that they've defined. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1224.23 1227.42 There might be some higher level structure that you wanna pull out of that. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1227.42 1233.16 I mean I 'cause you were saying you're just gonna you you're you wanna look at this, you know, very local stuff. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1233.16 1237.5 But from that you c one would hope you would pull out something high, you know 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1221.48 1221.82 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1226.1 1226.5 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1227.83 1228.36 Uh yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1231.58 1232.53 Very low level, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1230.22 1231.58 Utterance to utterance, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1236.77 1244.15 Yeah, i to uh just we need to see uh how well we could work out of the utterance to utterance. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1234.6 1236.77 You cou yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1252.98 1258.69 and maybe there was a long blow by bl and you don't you kind of wanna abstract away from he said this,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1246.11 1252.98 but I'm just y I mean what you can imagine someone saying well how did they decide to make it blue 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1258.69 1266.86 she said that, he sai you know, to Anyway, I you know, I mean I I don't think especially uh,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1243.27 1246.11 No, I think working from the bottom up sounds great 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1274.64 1277.58 But it might make much more, you know, I mean 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1266.86 1274.64 you know, if you're not steeped in these theories that it makes a huge difference to you whether we use R. S. T. or something like S. D. R. S. . 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1246.11 1246.56 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1260.96 1262.5 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1262.5 1263.58 So uh yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1277.81 1287.89 I just prefer it to be one thing rather than two completely separate things and then the added explanation of why it's not possible to have the same thing applied to both halves. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1277.52 1277.81 Yeah 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1286.59 1288.79 Well I think we should ass I think we should 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1291.29 1303.14 try to find a theory that allows multiple speakers and relations to span over more than one spea you know. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1314.46 1315.72 Anyway, they're relational. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1303.14 1312.42 Because it is true that I mean if you look at things like damsel and other attempts to come up with annotation schemes for for dialogue acts 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1315.72 1319.27 I mean in some way, you know, they're all relational. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1312.42 1314.46 there was this notion of forward looking and backward looking. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1319.27 1321.52 Um but you needed 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1296.6 1297 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1303.06 1303.35 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1317.06 1317.75 Hmm, yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1340.16 1344.12 And then across turns she used damsel, right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1331.18 1340.16 So if you look at Amanda Stent's thesis and the analysis that she did sort of within a turn she used something like R. S. T. . 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1324.02 1331.18 But there's a different set of tags in there from the kinds of relations you see within R. S. T., for example. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1330.42 1330.82 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1340.12 1340.39 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1352.17 1365.83 just because we really are critically interested in the argument um that the group is building up so that we can find the decisions that they made and um any p uh counter proposals to proposals that have been made and things. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1365.83 1375.52 I mean it really is more in the spirit uh of the R. S. T. ish relations than um than in the damsel kinds of relationships. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1344.77 1352.17 Yeah, which wouldn't probably wouldn't give us the kind of um information that we need about relations across turns 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1375.52 1380.25 What we want uh out of the c um the relationships between speakers here. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1382.22 1387.12 and that is the critical thing that we're missing in order to be able to um understand what's happening in these meetings. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1380.25 1382.22 They are jointly building up an argument structure 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1393.39 1398.43 bec just because um damsel doesn't give you the right sort of representation between speakers. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1389.16 1393.39 So we wouldn't we wouldn't wanna do the same thing as what um she did in this case 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1389.18 1389.86 Well I 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1399.59 1402.19 Well, it gives you things like accept and reject and 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1406.95 1407.65 So maybe 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1403.06 1403.71 Oh, does it? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1403.71 1406.95 Okay, um I haven't seen it on that this kind of data. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1403.87 1404.82 Oh yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1408.16 1410.36 In fact R. S. T. doesn't give you anything like that. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1410.82 1411.21 No. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1411.9 1418.15 Right, okay, but are what I mean is, you kno wanna make sure you get the argumentative relations, however you do it. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1429.61 1432.24 'Cause we need certain information out of this analysis. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1418.15 1420.52 Whichever relations you have to build, you know. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1432.24 1432.59 That 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1420.52 1425.88 Not I'm not saying I'm not saying that there's a particular set of tags or relations that have been defined out there that are the right ones. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1425.88 1429.61 I'm just saying we need the correct ones for th the structure that we're trying to get out of this. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1413.03 1414.11 Hmm, hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1418.05 1418.55 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1420.68 1420.93 Right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1419.79 1420.68 Right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1467.93 1475.92 So you know, Clark and Lockbaum and, you know, that that kind of thing. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1444.2 1450.41 you know, like setting down what the constraints are on the analysis game. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1482.56 1484.78 Actually the Lockbaum stuff is for groups. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1453.46 1457.19 Um and then and then there are lots of different theories of argument. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1475.92 1482.56 That were designed for dialogue, right, I mean, and can be expanded to more than two persons. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1450.41 1453.46 He's been looking at the data, okay, s to good. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1431.79 1444.2 D so I think it's much more impor I think it would make more sense to go about this problem figuring out what kinds of relationships we want and then finding and,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1457.19 1467.93 I mean you can also think about the sort of joint problem solving kinds of um approaches. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1429.71 1431.79 Right, okay. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1442.36 1442.72 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1448.07 1449.56 Well Wei-Xun's been looking at the data. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1449.56 1451.73 So that's that's a step for this. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1451.61 1451.97 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1457.51 1457.85 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1464.54 1464.99 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1463.39 1464.54 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1470.5 1470.78 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1474.2 1474.51 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1474.82 1475.08 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1478.35 1478.7 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1485.07 1485.75 Mm-hmm, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1485.48 1486.33 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1490.29 1494.65 So yeah, for interactivity this is a very weak definition, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1494.65 1503.03 If we need more then we might use some more finer uh f finer uh definition for interactivity. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1516.69 1523.14 So um it's not quite clear to me what the different kinds of things are. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1503.85 1506.76 Well, what you'll need in the end is something operational. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1528.34 1534.67 this is a interactive area and this is a mono-logic area because and we could come up with what kinds of measurements you need. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1523.14 1528.34 So it would be I think handy if you could take a meeting at some point and say, you know 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1506.76 1516.69 So it's something that you can use to actually segment meetings into the um the areas that you think are important for this analysis, right? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1506.7 1507.17 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1515.36 1516.76 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1516.76 1517.2 Okay. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1542.42 1548.8 but we have done work on characterising different kinds of meetings um in terms of how highly interactive they are. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1535.35 1542.42 Um I mean we have w we haven't done past work here on segmenting meetings in that way 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1550.71 1566.45 It's in terms of how much all of the people involved in the meeting um take some take equal part in it as opposed to um like the highest state is people in the meeting just driving it and and uh the other people following whatever the high state is people want. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1548.8 1550.71 But it's a different definition, right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1594.35 1596.16 What's the back-channelling behaviour. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1596.16 1601.06 What's the speaker turn, um you know, what kind of dialogue acts do you expect. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1566.92 1571.33 So um but those kinds of measures um, you know,
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1591.69 1594.35 And um, you know, what are the things that you expect in each. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1601.06 1603.55 I think that would help you pin down what the definitions are. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1579.62 1585.06 W but we need clearer definitions of what the different things are, how many different kinds of of um activities are there. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1571.33 1579.62 we could use to um to do this kind of segmentation if it's important to the analysis, right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1585.06 1591.69 You know, is it just interactive and non-interactive, or is there are there there more grades of shading than that. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1567.58 1567.9 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1577.8 1578.87 Yeah, okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1587.61 1588.1 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1603.88 1605.07 Yeah, okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1638.53 1639.37 Uh 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1606.63 1617.1 So mm so for dialogue, yeah, mm there would be uh some kind of uh interaction structure. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1617.1 1631.19 So it for uh in previous discourse studies, uh especially in discourse analysis exchange uh is used to describe this kind of uh local structure. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1631.19 1638.53 And in conversation the analysis so adjacency pairs are used to describe this kind of structure. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1641.83 1653.35 but uh in these two strands or work they uh just come up with a list, maybe not uh exhaustive. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1673.92 1683.73 Like uh is the small part of interaction is is exchanging some information. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1653.35 1673.92 So uh I'm been think about uh if we could come up with some kind of more principal scheme uh taking some of the uh information in the uh uh uh in the uh interaction uh into account. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1684.24 1687.97 Uh here information is a little vague. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1713.21 1720.11 If exchange of uh opinion uh uh some kind of so it's uh very related to thought, of thinking, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1687.97 1699.08 It could be some kind of knowledge what the uh speaker knows or or some kind of thought what the speaker is thinking. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1699.08 1706.17 So these two kind of uh inform mm two kinds of the information uh might be some kind of a difference. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1706.17 1713.21 So this is a little bit like the Bell's mm exchange of information uh for the knowledge. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1720.53 1725.79 Do you think it matters whether something is knowledge or opinion in the way it contributes to the group process? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1725.79 1737.39 Uh in some case it s differs 'cause uh when we exchange knowledge, we might not challenge uh the speaker,
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1737.39 1745.94 but uh when the speaker is uh pre uh is uh talk about what he feels, what he thinks 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1745.94 1753.58 is proposing something or s uh then other speakers might might chan challenge him or her. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1755.16 1763.71 I I sort of have always taken the view that um that well, people aren't very good at at this kind of rationality, you know. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1754.68 1755.16 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1770.65 1772.57 So um 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1763.71 1770.65 And the difference between information and opinion isn't that prominent in the way people do their reasoning. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1755.14 1756.13 So that kind of structu 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1759 1759.22 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1757.94 1759 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1770.98 1771.68 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1789.22 1796.39 But uh uh for the uh opinion or thought uh stuff 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1777.5 1778.39 Might be. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1771.68 1777.5 But uh that might b be some difference inter interaction par patterns. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1778.39 1789.22 'Cause uh for information if we uh somebody's uh seeking some information, then he uh ask some question and uh the one knows will uh gives gives the answer. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1796.39 1806.11 then the speaker might just uh uh present some idea and others will comment or uh challenge uh the idea. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1804.57 1804.89 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1808.96 1816.84 You can't define the difference between information and opinion that way because that's um basically defining as the what happened about it. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1806.11 1808.96 Well you you can't define 'em that way. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1821.92 1831.67 you often discover that they weren't actually solid facts anyway, you know, that they're I think the boundary between these is kind of fluid. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1816.84 1821.92 And I think what tends to happen is that um if people challenge the the facts,
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1831.67 1837.89 So I guess the question is is it important to what what's it important to? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1837.89 1844.09 So do you need the difference between information and opinion to do this analysis? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1809.7 1810.06 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1811.4 1811.88 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1821.72 1822.1 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1828.28 1828.98 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1830.35 1831.27 Yeah, it's vague, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1831.27 1831.95 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1845.19 1857.85 Mm see 'cause uh so far I'm s still looking for a uh so-called principal scheme for the interaction uh for the interaction. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1857.85 1858.64 So 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1859.06 1860.2 So what have you been looking at? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1860.37 1864.58 Yeah, I was just gonna say it would be useful to know what m 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1861.45 1862.11 Yeah, so 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1864.94 1865.33 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1867.89 1868.72 Which ones are they? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1865.04 1867.89 So you're you've got books that high on your desk. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1873.06 1881.21 but uh they have no uh no classification just to come up with okay, so uh you mean uh 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1866.89 1868.92 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1868.92 1873.06 Yeah, so yeah, for uh p uh the discourse analysis they're using exchange,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1879.03 1879.87 That's the question. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1878.05 1879.03 But who's they? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1882.07 1882.75 Who? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1891.13 1905 But uh the uh exchange structure uh and uh yeah, exchange is first uh developed in uh systemic functional grammar along the uh uh Halliday and and Martin's work. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1885.36 1891.13 Also at Geneva school they I don't think they list some kind of exchange. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1912.93 1915.08 Uh they call it negotiation. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1882.71 1884.59 uh Sinclair and Coulthard. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1884.59 1885.36 That is. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1915.08 1922.68 So they have uh some flow charts of the uh uh detailed analysis of uh uh exchange structure, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1905 1905.23 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1905.23 1912.93 So uh actually they they have some something in in a textbook about the exchange. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 1884.6 1885.08 Right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1900.93 1901.29 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1904.45 1904.68 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1916.15 1916.27 Mm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1922.96 1929.51 So y um I'm sort of getting that you think there is a lack in the uh theory to do with exchange structure at the moment. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1922.46 1922.96 Okay. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1932.9 1933.55 So 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1929.51 1932.9 But I'm but I'm not quite clear yet what you think the lack is. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1929.44 1929.97 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1933.06 1941.85 So um uh I don't think there is any kind of principle classification of exchanges. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1941.85 1943.61 This is i yeah, w 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1949.3 1957.39 But I mean my understanding of exchange is is that the initiating move introduces a goal to the discourse 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1972.78 1973.48 right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1973.48 1979.24 And so um I'd be surprised if there wasn't work describing 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1943.73 1949.3 Um the well are you thinking it's been a while since I've read this literature. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1957.39 1972.78 and then the remaining moves um will uh contribute to either the um the meeting of that discourse goal or the decision not to bother with that discourse goal 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1949.21 1949.66 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1956.98 1957.32 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1977.2 1977.51 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1979.67 1980.19 Mm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1998.93 2006.55 But I th I think there are other other people have looked at exchange structure and described it in these terms in a way that should really suit your needs. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1980.13 1980.94 things in those terms. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1995.38 1998.93 Like you might expect to have to extend the theory to do that. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1980.94 1986.25 I mean I know Sinclair and Coulthard is is basically about teaching yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 1986.25 1995.38 So you wouldn't expect that to necessarily um apply uh in in wider contacts in a way. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1985.42 1986.12 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 1983.31 1985.42 Yeah, I. R. F. uh kind of structure. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2003.49 2003.85 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2036.24 2038.23 and also the speaker role. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2014.64 2019.07 So it's um uh about the tourism information. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2019.07 2036.24 So from uh um my analysis of that kind of dialogues I could say that there's only there only four basic uh exchanges depend on the information uh direction of the information flow 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2006.8 2014.64 Mm 'cause uh from my previous experience we see ananys analysis of information seeking dialogues over telephones. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2014.61 2014.97 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2019.22 2019.52 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2019.68 2019.88 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2031.16 2031.47 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2068.94 2077.34 uh the spots they're going to uh visit, and also on the uh kinds of uh ve uh vehicle or or transportation, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2045.01 2050.13 One is mainly the uh from the uh agency, a tourism agency. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2038.67 2045.01 'Cause in the information seeking dialogues the uh t roles of the two participants are different. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2056.92 2063.73 Yeah, that's uh so theref uh and also mm uh the direction of information flows for some kind of information 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2063.73 2068.94 like uh the uh uh price of a specific route,
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2050.13 2056.92 That is main uh uh information provider uh while the customer is the information seeker mainly. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2054.04 2054.42 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2074.12 2074.48 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2076.42 2083.56 So this is a l a lot like George Horton's work on saying what are the different parameters for um these exchanges. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2086.85 2087.19 Mm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2083.56 2086.85 You know, what are the things that characterise the set of exchanges that can happen? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2078.77 2079.23 Uh-huh. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2082.21 2084.4 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2081.59 2082.21 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2087.46 2092.14 So but there also some variations which I call complex exchanges. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2095.6 2099.66 Mm not like the uh basic exchange uh exchanges, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2092.14 2095.6 So that's uh that's uh just a list. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2086.17 2087.46 Yeah yeah, s yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2098.9 2110.56 So so is your complaint less about um less about knowing what makes an exchange and more about knowing how you parameterise exchanges for this genre? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2116.78 2117.48 Uh-huh. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2118.01 2118.65 That's clearer. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2110.56 2111.51 So what's the range? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2117.48 2118.01 Okay. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2111.51 2116.78 okay, so you're worried about what's the range of exchange types for this genre, and that's what you think hasn't been done. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2110.69 2111.28 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2124.65 2124.96 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2115.4 2118.79 Yeah yeah, parametri yeah, I I I'm looking for parametric, yeah, scheme. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2118.79 2119.82 Yeah yeah yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2121.06 2123.52 A parame parameter or principle. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2119.82 2121.06 That's uh y yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2123.52 2124.65 Yeah, some something like. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2125.94 2126.34 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2129.01 2145.19 A and also s in 'cause in the meetings uh the speakers might might report something uh they've done in the past and uh uh uh uh talk about th what they are currently doing and also planning some future actions. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2126.48 2127.46 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2127.46 2129.01 And also yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2145.19 2148.31 So this kind of information might also be helpful. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2146.15 2147.42 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2191.78 2195.42 as is normal in dialogue elicitation like map task or like your 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2179.48 2184.27 Um and they're clearer when um your goals are quite limited. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2184.27 2191.78 So when you've just got information exchange and you know, the or there's a clear task that the people are trying to do and they're focussed on that task 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2175.09 2179.48 So there's fewer people trying to pull the discourse goals in different directions. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2147.42 2157.8 So so have have you tried I mean um I know of one previous attempt to establish what exchanges are needed for f um some kinds of industry meetings 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2167.25 2175.09 That exchanges are clear in um well, i there're clearer in when you've got fewer people. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2157.8 2167.25 and our experience in that project was that um you can't really identify exchange structures in these meetings because they they don't really follow that pattern. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2150.25 2150.59 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2166.94 2167.3 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2178.67 2179.19 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2233.01 2235.37 So have you tried marking these exchanges? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2216.57 2223.33 So have you gone through the meetings and looked for initiations and responses with without a prior catalogue 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2196.38 2203.3 like your informa which like your information seeking dialogues, which wasn't dialogue elicitation, but it was very constrained in genre. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2223.33 2233.01 just knowing that init initiation in introduces a new discourse goal and a response um meets or negates that goal in some way. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2216.33 2216.57 right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2203.3 2216.33 So um the the answer to the question might be nobody knows what the catalogue of exchanges is for real meetings because um or for these decision making meetings because you can't identify exchanges 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2202.21 2203.16 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2209.71 2210.17 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2232.5 2232.92 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2234.67 2235.48 Uh not marking. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2241.56 2244.19 Yeah, just to reading this part, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2235.48 2241.56 Just uh for my uh reading of the uh I. I. S. one O. eight uh four meeting series. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2244.19 2244.88 Mm 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2240.76 2241.12 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2259.82 2268.32 So I think we have to kind of get an overview of what the candidates are m if there's like two or three that we think are good contenders,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2268.32 2270.46 then we try to see what works better, right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2249.9 2257.07 more of your presentation because I think there are lots of different candidates and you certainly can't go through and mark up every meeting 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2257.07 2259.82 I mean mark up meetings with every scheme we think of. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2244.54 2249.9 Well I mean I think that um w it I don't know uh w it'd probably get to re hear, you know 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2253.29 2253.71 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2263.06 2263.67 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2272 2279.37 th could tell you that there is no case where you're gonna be looking for initiation and responses that's gonna work, you know. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2269.56 2270.14 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2288.63 2294.46 But I g yeah, I mean i obviously you wanna have a front-runner scheme i in mind before you 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2279.37 2288.63 'Cause you could go through and see that um actually the pattern of of addressing different discourse goals is too dispersed to um to be able to do that kind of mark-up. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2270.14 2272 But but a reading of this, you know,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2295.28 2297.66 So so let's see what what else you've got. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2291.85 2295.28 There are a lot of option there are a lot more options. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2303.16 2307.8 For monologues uh this is uh yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2298.94 2303.16 So this is for the uh dialogue part. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2307.8 2310.86 Okay, so no further uh information is here. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2310.86 2311.46 Uh 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2297.98 2298.94 Okay. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2305.19 2305.86 So that's it. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2306.02 2307.81 Oh, so that was it on dialogue, okay. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2307.51 2307.84 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2311.73 2322.83 So uh it's very unclear to me why you think exchange of information is more principal t uh did you I mean what did you have specific schemes in mind there? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2310.44 2311.73 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2322.83 2324.75 Or spec mm specific 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2322.92 2323.71 Uh 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2327.29 2330.16 people's work that you um 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2331.76 2354.12 Mm 'cause uh so for the information and action the uh the action here is not dialogue act but uh some kind of uh uh physical action uh that uh the uh participant's uh i i is going to uh or has done in the past. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2355.65 2355.98 So 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2354.12 2355.65 He's going to do the future. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2355.53 2361.69 Do you mean an action in terms of what the group is requiring him to do or do you mean an action in like picking something up? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2362.59 2364.86 Uh not 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2364.03 2368.26 So action in the technical meeting sense or just action in the physical sense. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2368.26 2368.92 Right, okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2370.14 2379.92 Yeah, so uh this kind of might be the uh some kind of semantics of the utterance or or exchange. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2368.65 2370.14 Physical sense, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2367.53 2368.65 Physical sense, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2379.92 2388.04 So uh this is just one um thing I one parameter uh for mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2386.23 2390.73 But can you give us an example of a scheme that's based on exchange of information? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2392.17 2392.77 Uh 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2394.34 2396.96 I mean uh here the scheme is for exchange scheme. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2409.63 2413.82 So who speaks to whom and uh uh 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2403.8 2409.63 So there might be the uh s speaker, and he uh a hearer. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2398.53 2403.8 So yeah, for uh for for uh exchange of information. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2399.91 2400.41 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2416.54 2431.06 S so this is the uh uh so direction of the information flow and also so speaker role might be first uh parameters for the uh ex uh information exchanges. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2431.06 2443.02 So um but for action that might be uh some kind of uh propose or accept or reject kind of uh uh exchange structure, I mean. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2430.3 2430.98 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2443.29 2446.73 Oh, so that's not a physical action, right? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2446.73 2452.61 Uh uh if I pick this up, which is a physical action, you can't reject that. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2452.61 2453.31 What do you mean? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2449.78 2450.13 Uh-huh. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2452.3 2453.52 Uh no no. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2453.52 2455.9 No that's uh that's the uh 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2467.04 2467.34 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2457.75 2467.04 So we're going to do something and uh uh so could you do something or this kind of uh action related utterance I mean. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2466.63 2467.04 Right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2470.81 2477.82 So you are actioned to do something, which is part of the permanent record that yeah, okay. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2467.04 2470.81 That's right, that's a action in the sort of technical sense of meetings. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2471.17 2472.67 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2472.81 2473.42 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2472.67 2472.81 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2470.38 2471.17 Okay, technical sense. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2475.37 2476.36 Okay, yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2476.36 2477.07 Okay, yeah, that's n 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2479.54 2479.76 Hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2479.58 2486.91 Okay, so I mean I think that um there are a lot of things that we have to look at before, I mean 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2487.35 2489.11 Before come up with the scheme, you mean. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2489.11 2489.4 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2489.92 2491.1 I mean and 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2489.33 2489.92 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2505.51 2510.87 Well I always thought they get tired after marking up the dialogue moves so they nev never bother with any higher level dialogue structure. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2512.1 2519.23 but I don't actually know of other cases where people bothered marking anyth anything higher level than the map than the move structure. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2520.39 2521.01 You don't know of 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2519.23 2520.39 Right? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2510.87 2512.1 So we did it in the map task 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2492.82 2505.51 Well, there are very few uh schemes for marking up exchanges on actual data, right, because um people haven't considered it very important. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2497.69 2498.03 Exch 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2525.03 2525.76 Stent, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2521.92 2525.03 S Stent yeah Stent might does um yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2521.11 2521.92 Uh yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2520.11 2521.11 So yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2520.17 2522.81 Well, we're marking up a lot of higher level things in our 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2523.76 2525.25 On yeah, I've s uh sorry. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2525.25 2530.75 Um but it c it's not been very popular car probably 'cause it makes um 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2528.54 2529.21 Mm no. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2530.65 2530.9 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2530.9 2535.35 So um have you looked at Nate Blaylock's work? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2536.46 2539.98 Uh so so 'cause I'm I might not familiar with these na 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2539.67 2547.46 So he has things like, you know, adopt um so basically it's to,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2547.46 2555.1 you know, collaborative problem solving, you know, more than one person involved, and trying to characterise things as um 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2549.77 2550.05 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2557.98 2559.42 You know, if I 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2561.46 2564.86 I can't remember the I can't remember the names of all the actions. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2562.9 2568.44 So uh is it the work uh described in the c uh in in uh in the coconut project or something similar? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2574.28 2575.28 Have you looked at that? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2567.98 2574.28 No, so so the Coconut project is a project that I did with Rich Thomasson and Barbara DiGinio. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2573.07 2575.17 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2575.17 2578.52 Y yeah, look uh not very much detail, yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2578.13 2579.09 No. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2605.21 2607.28 So while th um 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2580.81 2583.75 But you haven't looked at it no in very much detail. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2585.66 2595.42 um because it was all these things that are done for joint problem solving and joint action I think are very relevant to look at because these people are solving a problem together 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2577.19 2578.13 Not very clear. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2583.75 2585.66 Okay, so I think you should 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2595.42 2596.31 right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2579.09 2580.81 Though there's a lot of detail in the paper. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2596.31 2605.21 So um while these schemes may not have they have some es of the essential components that you need to characterise um joint problem solving. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2580.76 2581.34 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2583.19 2585.11 No, not. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2585.11 2585.5 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2592.98 2593.38 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2644.46 2653.02 Um but Nate Blaylock tried to um, you know, define, 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2625.75 2628.6 you know, dialogue u unless you understand shared plans. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2607.84 2614.07 you may think that they're missing something, then we we could certainly augment them. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2636.33 2644.46 And so um Lockbaum simplified it quite and, you know, Sidener and Rich and Collagen have simplified it quite a bit. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2619.4 2625.75 from Gross and Krauss and Gross and Sidener came all this stuff about shared plans and how you really can't understand,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2614.07 2615.73 But I think that they have to be looked at. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2615.73 2619.4 And so so Nate Blaylock tried to okay, so you know 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2628.6 2636.33 But the actual theoretical um or formalisation of it was incredibly complex. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2635.9 2637.06 Yes, yes. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2657.36 2666.11 Well, you can adopt it, you can well I can't remember you know, okay, but he has uh he has a taxonomy yeah, right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2654.91 2657.36 you know, what happens after somebody suggests something. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2666.86 2667.6 Yeah, I know. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2669.36 2669.8 Yeah yeah yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2669.98 2670.58 Yeah, I know, her. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2662.77 2663.93 Yeah, I know okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2665.64 2666.86 Uh, Jim @'s student. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2669.8 2669.98 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2664.33 2665.64 Uh I know this guy, yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2663.93 2664.33 Oh. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2668.7 2669.03 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2667.6 2668.7 No no, in Saa Saarbruecken. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2669.03 2669.36 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2690.49 2695.55 And there is, you know, a set of tags and what they mean and, you know, that sort of thing. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2678.59 2681.74 But um it you know 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2701.93 2703.08 But um 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2670.12 2678.59 Um which we tried to apply to tutoring, but it actually doesn't work very well for tutoring 'cause tutoring's just a totally different ball game. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2668.74 2670.12 Yeah, exactly, right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2681.74 2690.49 we spent a fair amount of time looking at it and it did strike me that for joint problem solving there w there were some good ideas. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2667.59 2668.74 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2699.15 2701.93 Now he's not gonna give you a set of tags 'cause that's not the kind of guy he is. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2695.55 2699.15 And then you can also look at, you know, cl you know Clark on joint action. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2675.81 2676.3 Different. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2676.56 2678.3 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2701.83 2702.73 No. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2722.87 2730.78 on meetings with some of the stuff that's been done on collaborative problem solving 'cause there's elements of each that seem really important. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2704.77 2708.69 But the overarching idea, you know,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2714.8 2722.87 But I mean I think that we we basically have to merge some of this stuff that's been done, you know 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2708.69 2714.8 I mean I think accounts for a lot of the ways in which um, you know, these other people are thi are thinking. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2730.78 2731.68 And I think th 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2712.51 2712.78 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2728.71 2729.58 Mm-hmm, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2731.17 2736.59 Well the first step is find out in the what how much of the material does the collaborative problem solving cover? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2736.59 2738.68 So how much of a genre clash is there here? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2769.94 2772.76 They define themselves as non-counters. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2739.81 2746.03 Because it really seems to me that, you know, if you look at and some of this stuff on exchange is like ancient and you know,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2765.34 2768.57 I mean they worked I mean I know Manny Schegloff really well and they're not counters. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2750.9 2756 So I mean all the conversational analysis stuff, I mean those guys never count anything, you know. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2746.03 2750.9 they didn't have the ability to mark up lots of data and count things, you know. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2756 2762.29 I mean they're uh ps so they see a pattern and then they think it's kinda cute and then they scour the world for third turn repairs, you know. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2762.29 2765.34 They don't actually say how often do those happen. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2768.57 2769.94 They're purposely not counters. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2755.4 2756.03 No. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2763.67 2764.19 Well it's 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2770.78 2776.06 B th But there there are people in the field that are moving that direction, like Martin. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2781.81 2787.76 So what is it that ties um different acts together at a higher level, you know. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2776.06 2781.81 And also what's important here is the theoretical clarity about what an initiation and a response is. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2770.25 2770.78 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2771.54 2771.95 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2789.28 2796.16 there's something that we want from that and then there's something that we want from collaborative problem solving. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2787.15 2789.28 Yeah, th I mean it it does seem like, you know 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2796.16 2796.69 And 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2785.89 2787.15 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2795.75 2796.07 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2801.46 2804.97 and if you look at the collaborative problem solving stuff, maybe it won't do every that you want. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2798.33 2801.46 if you l if you take the exchange stuff, it's not gonna d quite do everything you want,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2804.97 2805.64 And so 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2820.49 2836.15 are they doing um uh i are are they uh i as in the kick off meeting just exchanging information to get started with a project or are they uh actually addressing some specific design um criteria at the moment. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2807.55 2819.65 But I think more important than looking at um whether parts of the meeting are highly interactive or not so interactive is uh looking at what sort of task the people are trying to do at the moment. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2819.65 2820.49 So you know 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2836.15 2838.25 Should try to decide which shape the thing is. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2863.2 2869.16 Or you expect different kinds of relations from some over-arching set in um those different kinds of activities. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2844.19 2853.84 And so that is much more like um the um the literature from McGrath about the different kinds of activities groups get into. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2869.16 2869.54 Uh 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2838.89 2844.19 Um because that's going to affect the kinds of relations that you get between the utterances. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2853.84 2863.2 So I think that's another thing that has to be pulled into this because um you you do require different uh uh different kinds of relations. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2853.17 2853.6 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2856.52 2856.88 Hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2879.98 2888.2 uh not like the exchange which which I I would like to be very low level utterance to utterance relations. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2870.3 2879.98 So main actions I guess might be some some high level uh problem solving or decision making uh uh concepts 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2868.64 2870.3 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2892.6 2892.74 P s 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2890.62 2892.6 Um so what's the high level version again? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2892.98 2899.04 Uh I mean uh I mean the m main actions might be some it might be, yeah, built built 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 2894.08 2895.34 Meeting action. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2896.7 2897.39 Right, okay. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2900.95 2905.44 It's not going to present any s any micro-structure. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2908.19 2910.08 That's all that that scheme is gonna do. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2905.44 2908.19 So it's just gonna say from here to here they're doing something. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2897.39 2900.95 I mean i the meeting actions is just gonna be a segmentation. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2905.14 2906.39 Okay, so well w 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2908.22 2908.92 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2908.82 2919.35 Like somebody's writing on the white-board or I mean the w meeting actions they presented at the review seemed really low level to me, like somebody stood up. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2910.34 2911.05 Okay. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2913.71 2914.13 W 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2915.81 2916.31 It's n 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2935.25 2942.73 But rather than saying it is somebody's at the white-board, it'll be, you know, that somebody's explaining something that the others are focussed on. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2919.35 2922.79 That's not no, those well, that's individual actions. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2922.79 2930.57 And the meeting actions are meant to b uh become more um semantic and more theoretical than the kind IDIAP have traditionally used. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2930.57 2935.25 So so we need to still preserve some uh sense of the activity. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2921.6 2922.81 Some kind of physical actions, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2921.05 2921.6 Physical. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2919.63 2921.05 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2927.42 2927.85 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2931.15 2931.46 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2929.78 2931.15 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2937.81 2938.19 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2941.39 2941.85 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2941.41 2946.92 I mean I I realise it's important to recognise that, you know, what Wei-Xun got up and went to the white-board. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2946.92 2948.76 I realise that's important, you know. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2952.37 2954.45 So Yeah, mm okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 2948.76 2952.37 But I d was kind of surprised that those meeting actions. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2948.57 2949.23 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2963.37 2970.57 Ex at least exchange might be uh one kind of uh important information for that kind of 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2952.35 2955.45 Yeah, different scheme, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2955.45 2963.37 So yeah uh th the the main actions that uh you're talk about I think might be, yeah, built up from the exchange, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2954.21 2954.56 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2952.51 2954.21 It's it's a different scheme. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2984.22 2985.18 I don't know. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2990.24 2994.82 So, you know, what practical things can we do to help this work move forward? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2969.55 2969.97 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2969.97 2978.37 Well you might need the meeting action segmentation in order to know where what uh what area you're circumventing for so,
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2978.37 2984.22 it's just exchange structure in this area that you're looking at, and then that's a solid boundary between the next bit or something. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2985.18 2990.24 Um but w well, time's getting on. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2994.82 2996.46 So y show what else 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2984.98 2985.44 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2990.04 2990.64 Yeah, okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2998.89 3007.14 So yeah, for the monologue I've I have not uh looked into the details about the this kind of uh relations for the monologue parts. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2997.89 2998.54 Next. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 2998.54 2998.89 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 2998.1 2999.77 you're you're thinking about, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3010.26 3014.44 Just a list of these uh relations. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3045.57 3055.73 So uh so we we might ju first try a few meetings and uh have a reliability study. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3055.73 3057.93 If it's reliable enough 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3017.35 3032.06 And uh so uh next I need to uh review the literature and uh come up with s schemes for the real data annotation. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3032.06 3038.03 And after that uh we w 'cause this mm is not in the hub corpus. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3038.03 3045.57 So we are not going to get l all the meetings annotated with that kind of. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3057.93 3070.61 then we must just uh just annotate a small part of the meetings and using some learning techniques to boot boot-strap the uh uh automatic uh analyser. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3031.87 3032.24 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3039.11 3039.43 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3045.47 3045.85 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3081.03 3083.38 It's a lot cheaper than doing dialogue act coding in the first place. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3070.97 3081.03 Well m marking up exchange structure if if it's there and if um if you've got a working scheme for it is relatively cheap. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3075.49 3075.91 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3081.99 3085.64 Yeah, if uh if it's based on the uh um dialogue acts, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3120.21 3122.53 I think is is what we're trying to get a sense of here. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3102.44 3109.52 you know, that we need exchange structure marked up on X. amount of data at this point is knowing um where you're headed with this, I think. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3109.52 3114.53 So what's the good that that uh the project gets out of this in the end. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3114.53 3120.21 So you know, what's the w what's the headline results of the work on the project 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3086.94 3093.89 Um right, well one presumes it is, otherwise it's gonna be ra radically expensive to do any kind of mark-up. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3093.89 3102.44 So um the you know, it's something that we can look at, but you need to what we need it's more important than knowing,
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3092.48 3092.79 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3124.46 3125.09 Hmm 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3126.75 3127.38 Yes. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3143.77 3147.08 'Cause people are gonna say exchange structure, so what. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3133.96 3143.77 figure out how to boot-strap it so we we get this um uh how do you how do you sell that as a as a project goal, you know? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3129 3133.96 And say we just put in the money, get exchange structure marked up on that entire hub or, you know,
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3151.31 3151.74 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3127.03 3129 So you get your exchange structure marked up. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3147.08 3151.31 What do wh what do you what how do you plug that into the rest the stuff, right? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3143.77 3144.33 Hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3149.37 3150.97 Or fits the meeting browser. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3152.76 3155.37 Okay, so mm 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3150.97 3152.76 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3159.74 3162.94 This might not be 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3164.64 3171.39 the final goal that uh that could be fit into the uh browser. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3186.1 3186.74 So 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3171.39 3182.95 But it uh might be some kind of uh uh information which might benefit meeting actions or some more high level decision making or problem solving. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3182.95 3186.1 'Cause this is the building blocks, I guess, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3182.48 3182.82 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3207.57 3214.77 we have a goal of being able to do this with the meeting browser, um what kinds of dialogue structure would we need to be able to do that. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3216.78 3224.38 but I this more goal directed might actually make it easier to um bring these things to publication in the long run, right? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3186.13 3186.97 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3186.97 3192.17 See 'cause I think that um just to make this m more efficient 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3198.25 3202.02 you know, there's these theories, you know, how can we apply these theories to it. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3202.02 3207.57 Um and then seeing what comes out of that that might be useful for the meeting browser, actually trying to say yeah,
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3192.17 3198.25 you should be thinking about the high-level goal in order to focus the work that you're doing rather than thinking well,
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3214.77 3216.78 I mean uh I don't know, maybe you'd wanna disagree with that,
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3191.96 3192.33 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3194.63 3195.07 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3206.63 3207.05 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3214.68 3214.98 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3227.86 3229.95 I mean uh you know, I I d 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3226.01 3227.86 Well I think we should approach it both ways. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3244.53 3245.45 And so 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3232.95 3235.9 You know, the meeting browser people have a lot of constraints. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3235.9 3244.53 And so what they end up with saying is most critical for them right now might not be the most interesting thing in the longer term. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3244.66 3246.04 It's not necessarily what they say. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3246.04 3249.99 But it's something at least identify something that we'd hope to get out of it, you know. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3244.14 3244.66 Right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3257.64 3260.53 Um and I think that 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3250.67 3257.64 I mean people have said over and over again that they would like to understand how a decision has evolved, right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3250.2 3250.67 Right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3256.88 3257.18 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3262.37 3266.66 Well, I don't know if all of this low level stuff would allow you to track that kind of thing 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3266.66 3271.44 but it might at least be the building blocks of allowing you to track that kind of thing and 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3282.86 3283.09 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3270.34 3270.98 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3270.98 3278.95 So after this if uh if uh uh we might do some mm pe uh from here we might be some uh uh,
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3278.95 3282.86 yeah, c problem solving, decision making process to track that kind of information. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3277.88 3279.32 Yeah, some higher level yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3281.84 3282.19 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3283.19 3288.97 So I mean I think it's clear that something at this level needs to be there. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3294.39 3297.89 Even those kind of questions you need some kind of mark-up like this. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3288.97 3294.39 I mean and to ask questions, like who disagreed or were there any counter proposals or whatever. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3309.65 3314 and in favour of um these these more argumentative things. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3314 3322.99 So I mean uh I do think you should keep in mind what the final goal is so that you can plug this into something at the end and and um show some benefit of having the mark-up. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3297.49 3301.12 I It just helps you know which theory you should be concentrating on. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3301.12 3309.65 So you know, that immediately discounts exchange um structures that are mostly for information seeking alone because the notion exchange is to restrict it there 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3317.74 3318.12 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3323.86 3327.66 Well that brings up something interesting because I think probably what we should do is try to get 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3331.39 3332.48 you know, some of these 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3352.96 3358.69 I mean, you know, those, you know, strike me as cl clear things that, you know 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3370.83 3376.4 you know, wouldn't it be nice if you could have answers to these questions, or something. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3335.39 3338.73 tasks sort of put on, you know, sort of as part of the official agenda. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3358.69 3365.06 people who go to decision making meetings want to know if they've missed one or are arriving late or anything like that. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3338.73 3347.59 So being able to answer questions like um were there any counter proposals to the bana you know, banana shape or whatever. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3365.06 3370.83 So it wou it seems like we should probably get some of these things on the official agenda and say look,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3347.59 3352.96 Um uh or to some specific, you know, recommendation and things like that. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3348.22 3348.67 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3363.97 3364.48 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3375.63 3380 I mean operationally it's not gonna much difference whether it's hub or not, right, because 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3375.29 3375.63 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3382.54 3388.79 We have to get the hub stuff through, but um you know, he's n not ready with an annotation scheme that can be used at the moment anyway. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3391.4 3393.52 I mean it's something that we can afford off budget 'cause 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3388.79 3391.4 So And it it's not that expensive. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3381.57 3382.54 we've got the bank of people. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3381.94 3382.1 Oh. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3389.44 3390.71 No, m So 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3396.28 3404.18 I think the ICSI data is too too complex, and there aren't enough real decisions made, you know, that you could clearly identify. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3393.02 3396.28 And I think we wouldn't wanna necessarily do this on ICSI data. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3431.88 3432.3 right? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3408.31 3418.29 But um I think, w it, you know w well, so one thing that's gonna be interesting is the, I think to me 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3418.29 3431.88 is the um what can you do because presumably the um D. F. K. I. folk or somebody is gonna mark up a lot of the data with sort of tags about ontology 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3404.18 3408.31 I mean there are some, but and not that I've read more than about two meetings. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3397.93 3399.29 Messy. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3399.29 3399.66 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3398.15 3401.36 Yeah, it uh and it's too different a genre, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3402.58 3403 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3401.52 3402.58 Hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3405.74 3406.15 Mm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3408.38 3408.85 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3406.94 3408.38 Ye Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3431.98 3432.37 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3432.3 3432.68 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3440.84 3446.18 or maybe deeper semanticy things, but that but you know,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3462.7 3468.09 let's take these semantic features into or these features into account and see how well we do with the the learning,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3452.02 3458.73 Um and then the question is, well, how does you know,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3478.84 3483.03 I mean T. N. O. is and D. F. K. I. is, right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3432.62 3440.84 So we know, you know, somebody will have gone and by hand and sort of marked up som something l like shallow semanticy kinds of things, right,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3446.18 3452.02 not really in a in a formal language, but mostly just, you know, tags, right? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3473.82 3478.84 because one or two sides is really intr are really interested in this ontology stuff, right? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3468.09 3473.82 and then let's throw these features out and see how well we do, um because we know we're gonna have them,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3458.73 3462.7 just the way people typically do this is, you know 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3442.49 3443.96 But yeah, they're sure to do that. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3440.87 3442.49 Yeah, that's not help either. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3478.94 3479.22 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3482.62 3482.82 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3483.6 3488.47 So there will be some kind of domain semantics. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3519.34 3528.11 which sub-task is this little chunk of the meeting addressing and furthering in various ways, right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3488.47 3510.55 And there will also be presumably some kind of task hierarchy modelling going on in I mean 'cause the whole browser working group um final um sort of presentation on that second day was about,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3513.49 3519.34 And very you know, details about which task is this you know,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3510.55 3513.49 you know, knowing the task, right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3528.11 3532.82 Which seems like it would be really hard in an open domain. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3498.4 3498.77 In the m 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3512.82 3513.06 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3527.79 3528.1 Y 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3535.16 3538.34 Um well, I don't remember that about the w I mean the 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3542.25 3547.34 they'd spent the morning talking and they came up with this idea. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3537.97 3542.25 You remember when Steve came in, Steve Whittaker came in at the end and said, you know 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3547.34 3548.07 Um 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3551.58 3557.04 It w they didn't say anything about what sort of information they'd want from the meeting itself. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3547.63 3551.58 Oh, but that was about what task the person doing the browsing was gonna do. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3557.04 3559.64 It w it was about uh i 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 3547.95 3548.05 Mm. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 3566.07 3574.41 I think they are more talking about um user requirement for the meeting than soft text, they want to know 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 3558.91 3566.07 They just mention that they want decision um for issues, action items. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3576.24 3580.03 No, they said people are talking about tasks, you know. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3580.03 3584.26 I mean they really they made it clear that they were that that was gonna be heavily 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 3576.35 3578.59 what happened happening in a meeting. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3582.8 3584.38 That was the that we the browser task. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3589.7 3597.93 like uh join a meeting late and ch um catch up on what's happened in the meeting so far, be at home waiting for the washing repair guy. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3597.93 3598.27 And 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3584.38 3589.7 You know they've identified these seven different tasks people might wanna do with browsers, um you know,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3600.19 3602.28 Those are the user scenarios. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3597.67 3600.19 No, those are the s those are the scenarios. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3605.65 3610.54 I mean it actually kind kind of scared me, because it was all based around tasks. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3602.28 3605.65 The task what what he came back and said that at the end,
EN2005a H02 FEO084 3597.98 3598.76 they say that? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3602.49 3602.86 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3611.12 3612.95 Okay, well c maybe. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3618.57 3621.2 I mean it was all about the domain task. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3612.42 3618.57 And and the domain tasks, okay, they're now they now have to decide how many buttons to put on this thing. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3622.84 3623.17 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3625.84 3633.85 uh it it's really scary to think about what you could possibly do in an open domain where you don't where you don't know what the tasks are. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3623.06 3625.84 And it is really the it and given that 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3633.85 3638.72 And I don't think you're gonna be able to figure them out uh very reliably. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3637.11 3637.47 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3639.68 3644.79 But I thought you wanted to avoid doing stuff that was s stuck in this particular domain if possible. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3644.79 3646.73 But you know, th they weren't concentrating 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3645.33 3652.03 I do, but the whole project is, you know, focussed on AMI hub data as their first priority. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3654.79 3660.54 But that doesn't mean you have to be um using the techniques that you can be using open-domain techn 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3652.78 3654.79 Well yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3670.95 3676.09 Well it's all to see how, you know, how the participants were furthering their tasks. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3659.42 3660.74 N no no no no no 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3660.74 3670.95 but I mean if the if the if they had th they had this sort of epiphany at the end of this meeting where they decided well why are people browsing this. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3677.52 3677.92 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3682.46 3684.55 And you don't think that can be done in open domain at all. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3688.64 3697.82 I mean one of the strengths of this grouping was that, yeah, they all work with the closed domain ontologies and we'll do the open-domain side of things. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3686.15 3688.64 'Cause we don't wanna get into um working with ontologies. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3697.82 3698.37 So 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3700.04 3701.14 I don't know. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3701.14 3701.45 We'll see. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3715.49 3716.57 at least to some of us. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3701.97 3715.49 and then there was this confusion about the um last spider phone conference that the messages telling people to call came out after the meeting happened 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3700.44 3700.99 Well right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3700.99 3701.97 And then, yes 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3717.21 3718.63 So we don't know what happened at that one. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3718.63 3718.92 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3716.71 3717.21 Oh right, yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3729.69 3735.43 you know I I think it's an interesting question of okay well, if you have knowledge, here's what you can do. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3720.71 3723.25 So um I mean we'll we'll get that back on track. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3735.43 3736.84 If you don't have that knowledge 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3723.25 3729.69 But I think that um we don't you know, there will be some meeting browser demo that um,
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3737.31 3737.56 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3738.63 3742.56 you have to do different things and, you know, you can't necessarily 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3743.6 3744.11 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3756.52 3757.57 That's what I'm not clear on. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3744.11 3756.52 So you're advising Wei-Xun that he should be using like any ontologies and propositional content that um D. F. K. I. and T. N. O. bank in the C. V. S. repository, or or not? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3756.29 3757.67 Yeah, ma ma uh s 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3756.49 3762.61 Well I think when he does re when he does lear these learning experiments, he should do 'em two ways. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3769.86 3777.26 Alex was showing um yesterday well without knowing the head word of the utterance at the leaf,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3782.23 3785.07 And you know, I think yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3785.07 3788.9 Um so I think if we have those features, it's, you know,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3762.61 3765.22 Because he will have this opportunity with or without. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3788.9 3795.56 it's a rare orp or rare opportunity that you can, you know, you can try one head to head against the other. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3765.22 3769.86 And then we can see like well without, you know, these tags so you know 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3777.26 3782.23 you know, you get these kinds of results, and when you add that in, you get these other kinds of results. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3795.56 3800.57 Um and then of course to make sure that you really um 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3759.37 3759.75 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3763.33 3764.3 With our without. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3764.3 3765.38 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3765.38 3765.77 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3765.24 3766.77 Yeah, that's kind of uh 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3781.58 3782.52 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3782.52 3784.3 Different feature combination, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3793 3793.34 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3791.68 3792.63 Can actually try. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3792.63 3793 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3802.45 3804.3 I don't know when they'll bank these by the way. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3804.3 3806.12 Um 'cause that's it's not hub. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3811.21 3812.11 So you know w 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3806.12 3811.21 So i it's one of these things where everybody's supposed to bank as many things as possible. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3823.45 3823.99 Uh 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3810.7 3812.02 Right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3812.02 3814.72 Well we won't I mean we won't use 'em till they're ready obviously. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3818.14 3823.45 I mean a although it will be a closed domain, I mean we we can't use any domain information necessarily. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3814.72 3818.14 So we might do the sort of open domain,
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3821.61 3822.43 But open. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3820.93 3821.61 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3826.47 3837.97 I mean, there probably are a bunch of issues like if you've got a hundred hours of meetings and they all talk about a lot of the same things,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3837.97 3848.49 then it's ea it it's not really open domain and somehow that sneaks into all the statistics anyway 'cause you don't have such a wide vocabulary and, you know 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3837.63 3840.01 Yeah, it's not really an open domain task, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3852.51 3855.14 But that data's definitely gonna be kind of coming in the last. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3855.14 3855.6 So 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3847.98 3852.51 Well eventually the hub is supposed to be forty percent non-scenario. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3851.99 3852.44 Right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3862.15 3867.45 you know, our results go down when we truly are getting meeting yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3867.45 3869.46 So I mean that'll be interesting. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3855.57 3862.15 Sure, so we might find that when we move from what we thought was open domain, but on the hub,
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3865.39 3866.29 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3875.31 3876.38 So that should help some. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3869.06 3875.31 W we've got five ISCA meetings actually which are still uh an elicitation task, but they're not our domain. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3866.29 3869.06 That's quite reasonable. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3864.91 3865.39 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3878.38 3879.64 Okay, well that's good. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3879.56 3881.03 And they've been declared hub. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3885.64 3891.52 Of course yeah, you'll you'll never get the T. N. O. and D. F. K. I. stuff on it 'cause they're only billing stuff for the one to make the 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3881.03 3885.64 So so they'll accrue all of the normal an annotations. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3892.61 3904 So we wanna decide um what Wei-Xun should do next and maybe think about meeting in, I don't know, a month or something. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3904 3904.78 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3891.68 3892.61 So okay. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3902.32 3907.02 Yeah, just figure out how we're gonna help him to to try to make this more efficient. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3920.18 3925.29 but this was did you say it th wasn't picked up in AMI or you I I I was confused about w 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3909.97 3914.2 Um so before we do that, can I just ask you a question about chunking? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3914.2 3920.18 In the beginning you said something about you were doing this chunking um and you're doing it on the ICSI data 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3913.74 3914.87 Yeah, yes. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3925.46 3932.04 Uh I mean I was supposed to chunk uh some part of the AMI meetings,
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3938.25 3948.1 If not, then mm we have to use some kind of semi-superv supervised learning or some uh boot-strapping to to to do the chunking. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3924.7 3925.46 Uh uh yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3932.04 3938.25 you know, to see if the chunker channel switchboard works well enough or not. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3925.44 3925.73 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3937.56 3937.96 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3944.21 3944.57 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3949.15 3950.38 And you and you haven't done it yet. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3950.44 3955.83 No, no, 'cause I was a bit worried about uh this kind of uh discourse structure, yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3957.02 3960.36 So that's still on the agenda to do at some point. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3956.23 3957.02 Tha that's fine. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3957.49 3957.86 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3959.7 3963.14 Yeah, but we should make sure we finish that off, because otherwise that work's just wasted, right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3963.53 3963.96 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3963.96 3964.8 Exactly. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3964.8 3965.15 That's 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3964.63 3964.96 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3964.73 3967.12 We're gonna use chunks for something useful. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3967.12 3971.01 Yeah, chunks are gonna be named entities if nothing else. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3967 3967.38 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3972.1 3976.79 Um or building blocks. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3982.97 3988.6 Because um Barbara was showing the low level. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3976.79 3982.97 I mean so I mean we have to think about how s chunking interacts with the automatic segmentation, you know. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3967.59 3972.1 Well so I mean right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3985.46 3986.97 Automatic segmentation at which level? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3990.83 3991.75 Yeah, okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 3988.65 3990.83 Uh dialogue segmentaton. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3989.97 3991.54 Dialogue act, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3989.05 3989.97 Uh-huh. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 3993.19 4000.65 And I mean it seems to me that chunking should have some kind of so if if your dialogue act segmenter says there's there's a segment here 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4000.65 4001.71 but your chunker said no,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4001.71 4010.76 this is a coherent chunk, then y y you know, w I mean maybe they could work together to do a better job than 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 3999.6 3999.96 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4003.37 4004.95 Yeah, and that's a problem. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4004.95 4005.45 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4024.02 4029.19 'Cause they're they're hand marking stuff and the dialogue act boundaries are supposed to be intentional. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4029.19 4041.76 Um but they seem to always be marking them that um uh after verbs, you know, with clause m uh it's very it looks quite mechanical. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4041.76 4045.69 So we're querying them about this because that's not the way they're supposed to be doing it. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4016.09 4017.75 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4017.75 4018.42 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4018.42 4024.02 And it may be even more mechanical than that based on the um examples we're seeing from D. F. K. I. . 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4011.26 4016.09 Certainly if if you've got chunks it ought to help you know where your dialogue act boundaries better not be. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4045.69 4046 And 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4016.6 4016.89 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4016.01 4016.6 Right. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4017.83 4018.21 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4023.96 4024.24 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4036.36 4037.33 Periods. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4037.33 4039.54 Oh, after uh right. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4038.64 4038.93 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4038.44 4038.64 Hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4047.85 4050.2 So it sounds like well w 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4047.03 4047.85 Good. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4043.09 4044.99 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4044.99 4047.03 Right, okay. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4060.74 4064.47 So it I like things kinda tidy. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4052.22 4054.81 And it you know, so y I don't like the idea that, you know 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4050.25 4052.22 But when do we need chunking by? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4049.66 4050.25 Well hold on. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4064.91 4071.58 So how much work is there left and when do we actually need it by would be useful to discuss. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4064.47 4064.91 Right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4054.81 4060.74 you start something and then eighteen months later you pick up to do the last ten percent of the work to finish it off or whatever. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4065.43 4066.6 Well how much AMI 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4072.44 4076.13 Well, you wanted to do the chunking on the AMI data, right? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4076.13 4077.57 Because m 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4075.34 4075.67 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4087.26 4088 So 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4079.26 4083.12 There's I mean there's hub set A. is transcribed I think um in final form. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4084.54 4087.26 But you know, the data is rolling in. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4083.12 4084.54 You we can check the Wikis. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4077.21 4079.26 The AMI data is is there. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4100.13 4109.16 And we decided labelling the ICSI data for chunks would be probably difficult and maybe not very useful. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4109.16 4110.37 And so it it mi 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4087.83 4092.82 So we got stuck at some point on evaluation of chunking, right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4092.82 4100.13 The problem was you didn't have ICSI data that was hand labelled for chunks. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4097.78 4100.07 Or AMI data. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4100.07 4100.5 N no. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4113.5 4116.34 I'll have to look up, you know, so 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4109.34 4113.5 And but Barbara still says somebody's done this for chunks. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4113.14 4113.59 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4113.59 4113.92 So 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4139.18 4145.93 Maybe you'd use some chunked ICSI stuff as development or something and do some last tweaks and then evaluate. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4126.51 4133.31 So if you had some ICSI data that you could maybe use, I don't know 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4121.76 4126.51 wouldn't that um 'cause you've trained on Switchboard, right, where there there are chunks. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4133.31 4139.18 um as a what's the n there's t there's a training set and then there's the development set and then there's the test set. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4114.52 4121.76 Okay, if there if there was if there was hand labelled data that you could evaluate again so train on some and evaluate on some,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4145.93 4151.97 But you know, w h I mean I can see why Wei-Xun didn't wanna spend his time chunking ICSI d 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4124.68 4124.92 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4133.27 4133.85 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4142.52 4142.84 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4145.39 4145.85 Mm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4165.06 4170.1 Which means we have to get some portion of the data hand-chunked. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4169.06 4170.37 Hand-chunked. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4170.37 4171.81 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4171.81 4172.1 But 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4173.8 4175.6 that shouldn't be that hard to do, right? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4175.6 4176.91 How much data do you need? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4178.6 4180.92 How much um well 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4182.46 4183.62 Was it hard? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4180.91 4182.46 What was that? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4179.45 4180.91 I don't read lips. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4182.49 4183.37 how much 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4188.82 4189.08 Right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4186.8 4188.82 Switchboard is all chunked. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4184.93 4186.8 in Switchboard. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4188.22 4188.39 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4195.34 4198.53 So we need to know how much data you need hand-chunked. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4188.93 4194.04 They the data how much data you need was not a problem with the Switchboard 'cause he had lots. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4201.47 4204.35 So you were were working on instructions for doing hand-chunking. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4198.53 4201.47 And then uh how do you hand-chunk stuff, right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4194.04 4195.34 So he didn't have to think about how much. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4188.49 4188.93 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4195.52 4195.88 Right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4198.25 4198.75 Well 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4205.34 4205.91 Mm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4205.76 4208.58 No, you had Penn tree-bank parses, and you made chunks from that. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4207.59 4208.79 For Switchboard, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4208.79 4213.71 But then he there were two possible options for uh for doing this on the AMI data. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4213.71 4218.96 You could either um essentially go the same route as they did with the Switchboard um, you know,
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4224.13 4227.12 And it wasn't clear to us which one of those two methods was the right way to do this. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4218.96 4224.13 do the Penn tree-bank and then create the chunks off that, or you could chunk directly. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4208.8 4209.93 Yeah, yeah, for Switchboard, yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4221.07 4221.39 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4228.82 4233.78 Direct chunking, 'cause we are not going to in a tree out of the AMI data. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4235.24 4237.8 Right, well, so you'd have to produce as part of this exercise. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4237.08 4239.79 Is any gonna try to anybody try to parse the AMI data? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4235.52 4237.08 Is anybody gonna parse? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4241.01 4242.72 You would've thought so, but I dunno. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4250.76 4251.58 Might be, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4242.43 4248.92 Uh so th uh we uh D. F. K. I., 'cause they're working on some H. P. S. G. parsing. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4248.92 4250.76 Yeah, might be. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4247.89 4249.49 Oh yes, yeah, I'd forgotten about that. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4248.58 4248.89 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4255.08 4255.63 If the 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4255.09 4257.28 But that's not very similar. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4258.85 4265.32 Is th is that similar enough that that this same method could apply that we derive chunks off the H. P. S. G. output? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4257.28 4258.85 Well, I don't know very much about grammar. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4265.18 4273.39 Uh if uh I'm I guess that if they're different then we might just uh write another script to do the translation. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4275.04 4278.32 I think you might lose a lot in, you know, this step. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4282.88 4287.55 And it might be different enough that that actually causes it not to match. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4287.55 4293.48 You know, if you're suddenly evaluating against chunks that were done using H. P. S. G. I don't know about grammar, but it you know it 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4278.32 4282.88 So basically your your chunker is trained on something that was derived off Penn tree-bank. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4282.22 4282.6 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4292.68 4295.28 I need to look at some of to see. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4292.1 4292.68 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4291.39 4292.1 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4297.14 4307.35 The which probably has a l maybe finer g uh which I believe has finer grained distinctions than, and different labels, than the Penn tree-bank. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4295.04 4297.14 Well they're using the E. R. G., right? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4303.88 4304.3 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4309.18 4312.55 Or is is easy to map between finer grained distinctions and coarser ones? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4306.03 4309.18 And the mappings are can be cr pretty difficult for this, right? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4305.52 4306.03 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4324.72 4328.8 So I mean it probably is worth looking at 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4311.72 4318.34 It's I'm t it's probably easy to dumb down the H. P. S. G. parse too. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4318.34 4324.72 'Cause the Penn tree-bank parsers are pretty minimal because they didn't wanna commit to a specific grammatical theory. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4315.31 4315.8 Think so? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4318.38 4318.83 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4323.22 4323.7 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4324.85 4325.41 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4343.99 4346.09 So you can look at Redwoods parses 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4332.93 4343.99 Which is the same um parser as the Redwoods Tree-bank was made with that Alex talked about yesterday. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4330.29 4332.93 'Cause they're doing this with Dan Flickinger, right? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4343.3 4343.62 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4353.34 4362.2 And you might wanna talk to Alex to find out if somebody's already done this turn Redwoods stuff into tree-bank stuff so that they can compare,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4348.13 4353.34 um and see how different they are from tree-bank parses. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4362.2 4365.37 you know, against results that are reported on tree-bank. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4362.29 4362.75 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4365.29 4368.03 The names would suggest that this was the idea, right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4364.58 4365.29 Huh. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4368.21 4371.08 Well that was the idea I believe, but um 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4369.87 4370.14 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4374.47 4377.72 it was supposed to be another tree-bank. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4384.57 4395.3 So y that sort of assumes that we think it's better to do this by deriving chunks from um some parsed format than just hand chunking the stuff. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4384.31 4384.57 Right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4405.68 4413.31 'Cause the problem w when you go through and hand do it is then suddenly you introduce your automatic method and your accuracy goes can go way down. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4413.31 4417.27 I mean sometimes it doesn't if you know, sort of for part of speech tagging, you know,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4417.27 4420.83 whether you do it by hand or machine, it's pretty much the same accuracy, right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4396.75 4405.68 Well the good thing about that is that then you know that when you go through and parse you'll be getting the same chunks as when you do this process automatically. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4420.83 4421.1 But 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4406.43 4406.92 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4419.32 4419.71 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4422.85 4429.96 and then that that puts off the question of um when do we have to do this to when we get H. P. S. G. stuff, right? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4438.68 4440.49 I don't even know what time scale they had in mind. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4440.49 4447.03 I mean it is this something they w they were doing it at the moment, but I don't know whether this was very preliminary or do you remember? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4421.41 4422.85 So let's try it this way,
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4429.96 4438.68 So can you ask um D. F. K. I. whether they can give us a couple AMI meetings run through their H. P. S. G. process? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4438.13 4438.45 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4447.85 4452.68 They talked about it at the meeting that we went to in 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4454.16 4455.31 Twenty minute, yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4454.39 4455.02 Twente. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4454.74 4455.62 Twente, yeah. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4455.07 4455.46 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4461.72 4463.62 Yes, Twente. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4456.83 4458.47 I was thinking Enschede. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4458.47 4461.72 Why can't I remember the n the f the right name of this place? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4463.62 4464.6 Which 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4462.39 4462.68 Contact. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4461.14 4462.39 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4468.64 4469.31 Yeah, okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4466.91 4468.64 You were there Jean. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4468.14 4468.56 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4468.77 4470 Yeah? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4471.52 4474.29 Y you're expecting me to remember stuff, aren't you? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4475.84 4484.07 I I I know you missed a meeting and s and so there there may have been you missed the one in T. N. O. . 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4474.71 4475.84 No no no no, no no no 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4482.42 4484.55 Brussels, Amsterdam. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4489.29 4489.78 Um 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4478.64 4480.41 Oh yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4486.72 4487.42 See, I wasn't there. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4487.42 4489.29 So I don't know where it was. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4480.41 4482.42 Oh, I don't even know which one I've missed. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4484.55 4486.72 T. N. O., okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4502.91 4503.29 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4489.17 4498.09 Yeah, 'cause yeah they did some work bio project with the H. P. S. G. parsing. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4501.85 4502.91 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4498.09 4501.31 At least bio. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4485.07 4488.29 T. N. O., yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4488.29 4489.17 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4501.31 4501.85 Yeah, well maybe. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4497.27 4497.68 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4501.45 4502.64 Yes, yes, they did. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4498.35 4499.28 On on which project? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4499.28 4500.59 Sorry, I didn't get that. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4500.59 4501.45 Verbmobil, right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4501.7 4501.95 Yeah. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4502.68 4502.97 Hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4503.99 4505.89 So ask 'em, right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4505.18 4509.09 It well that's that's what Alex talked about yesterday, right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4516.16 4521.72 So we have all that stuff here, you know, the parsed Verbmobil material. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4539.35 4543.6 then then we have to think of something else, right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4509.09 4516.16 The parse I mean that's wasn't something she did, but that's the data she's using, right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4530.18 4539.35 And if it turns out that you think oh, there's no way I can map these into Penn tree-bank style bracketing,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4526.75 4530.18 You don't need to wait for D. F. K. I. . 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4521.72 4526.75 So you can look at that and see what the parse trees look like. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4505.35 4505.66 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4508.43 4508.75 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4515.38 4515.7 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4528.85 4529.18 No. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4537.97 4538.34 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4544.57 4544.84 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4542.93 4544.57 Okay, okay. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4543.84 4544.16 Hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4545.6 4547.03 But I think they had that in mind. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4550.22 4551.03 Okay, good. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4547.03 4550.22 So it's it's worth also talking to her about that. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4560.58 4568.97 If it does, ask D. F. K. I. either for data or a time scale, and you're gonna need to know how much data you need in order to do that. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4568.97 4572.49 So do you have a technique for estimating how much data you'd need? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4555.38 4560.58 So it's talk to Alex, see if it looks like it maps by looking at the Verbmobil. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4569.38 4569.88 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4573.74 4576.99 Uh not sure c uh 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4576.92 4579.14 I don't know how you do that, so who knows how you do that? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4580.53 4583.91 Everybody always says there's no data like more data. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4584.57 4589.27 So just ask D. F. K. I. how much data and when, right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4589.27 4590.53 If 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4584.22 4584.57 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4587.52 4588.07 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4599.18 4610.06 Okay, so I trained on eighty eight and then or I train on one thousand nine hundred and ninety nine and Okay, but we should speak to Steve. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4610.06 4611.5 We might have some um 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4590.6 4599.18 You know, I mean the typical thing is to do leave one out cross validation with, you know, eighty nine dialogues. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4595.18 4595.7 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4596.52 4597.54 Yeah, I know. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4597.24 4597.62 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4600.95 4603.64 Okay. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4608.8 4612.82 Uh we don't have any particular time in mind when we need a chunker that works on this stuff. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4612.82 4613.3 So 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4622.85 4626.42 I think chunking could help, as you mentioned, named entity recognition. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4626.42 4627.04 Um 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4613.45 4617.56 Well the question the question is what what is chunking gonna help? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4617.56 4622.85 I mean I think chunking could help automatic dialogue act segmentation. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4621.53 4621.88 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4635.46 4637.01 'cause they do that, right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4637.01 4639.83 So the question is at what stage should we put that in? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4625.92 4626.99 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4626.99 4635.46 Well I gue if we did a chunked version of the AMI data and stuck it into C. V. S. under the automatic contributions then um people would end up using it,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4633.3 4633.64 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4636.75 4637.17 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4641.45 4645.82 Well we'd wanna make sure we're pretty happy that it's reliable because 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4644.97 4649.18 Yeah, so post-evaluation so we can put in some idea of what the evaluation is like. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4649.92 4650.88 I mean otherwise 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4649.04 4649.92 Mm yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4652.51 4657.76 you get these very bizarre results because the data is not really very good. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4656.85 4657.17 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4679 4687.1 Uh and it would actually be great if it was Liz, because I think she is the one who did the dialogue act segmentation automatic 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4664.21 4667.43 So I think, you know, nobody's uh waiting for it. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4676.21 4679 maybe Liz or whoever comes over next time. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4659.18 4664.21 So um but I and nobody has expressed like massive interest in t in chunking. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4667.43 4676.21 But but we could we c I think we should talk to Barbara about how to do some joint experiments or or if she's gonna be sending other people 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4666.91 4668.72 No, but he's relying it on it th this summer. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4679.79 4680.24 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4690.55 4692.18 Oh for the next one, mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4686.46 4687.95 So when when do you think that would be? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4687.95 4690.55 When when is she sending somebody? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4689.02 4696.62 She just said that hopefully by the next meeting she would be bringing someone else, or someone else would be coming instead of her, remember? 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4691.6 4692.04 Mm. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4695.5 4695.8 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4701.43 4703.28 Is that the time scale you're thinking of or 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4696.09 4701.43 But that's a pretty tight time scale then, right, 'cause it'd be for the fall we'd wanna know the evaluation. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4721.95 4724.18 So we could talk to Vasilis about that as well. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4721.13 4721.95 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4701.5 4711.2 The th not to have not to have it done, but just to talk about how it could interact with automatic dialogue act segmentation. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4717.68 4721.13 Who's uh who's doing named entities besides Yoshi? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4711.2 4717.68 Um and we I guess we should talk to Yoshi about about it in relationship to named entities. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4707.38 4708.22 How it could be done. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4709.67 4709.99 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4720.18 4721.88 Uh that's all I think. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4721.88 4722.24 Uh 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4734.3 4736.35 And um I think she's just forgotten. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4736.35 4736.79 So 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4730.91 4734.3 'Cause she has said several times there must be somebody and she can help with that. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4725.47 4730.91 I think you should still ask Barbara again, you know, c can you have another think about who might have the chunking stuff. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4724.39 4725.47 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4739.39 4739.9 And then 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4739.83 4742.47 So and then we can evaluate on the ICSI, you know, pretty easily. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4757.47 4762.34 but there's also quite a big space where we don't know the literature from the other side. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4745.74 4752.99 So one thing that would be very helpful for me because I haven't read I think we're in a situation where Jean, you know 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4762.34 4767.31 And since you're gonna be reading it, I mean it would be probably be useful if you made some kind of, 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4752.99 4757.47 has read a lot of literature and I've read a lot of literature and we there is some overlap 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4773.82 4777.81 you know, a synthesis okay, here's the basic idea behind exchange structure and,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4777.81 4785.12 you know, here's a couple of you know, here's the two most relevant works that I've read or something like that, you know, to just 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4768.91 4773.82 you know, report that described, you know, okay, this what these people you know, this is,
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4791.72 4794.18 I mean you don't wanna make this really formal, or do you? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4795.57 4795.89 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4794.18 4795.57 Yeah, a paragraph each. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4784.49 4791.72 Yeah, even if it's just a you know, on a Wiki the um the references and then why they're relevant, right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4804.39 4804.7 So 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4795.5 4801.43 Just because, you know, obviously I'm not gonna go rea off and read all this kind of stuff because I don't have time. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4801.43 4804.39 And you probably don't have time to read all this collaborative prol problem solving. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4792.35 4795.5 Or even just like a paragraph of, you know, the basic idea. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4801.62 4802.31 Hmm hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4801.91 4802.35 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4803.93 4808.35 But that wou that would help us be a lot more specific ab than than just um you know 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4808.35 4816.43 listing bullet points on slides cause then we'd know sort of which literature you're thinking of um putting in and we could read the most important argumentative stuff. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4813.64 4814.07 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4814.07 4815.13 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4815.13 4815.55 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4815.35 4820.1 Well in any way, every time you write a paper, you've got to go back and do this related work thing anyway. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4820.1 4824.42 So it just it just makes it a lot easier um to get that 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4818.04 4819.74 I can have these things anyway, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4821.79 4822.33 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4825.77 4826 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4827.6 4837.1 I think it's a real advantage that we've read different things and come at it from a different side because I think this ha they the the previous approaches haven't really, 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4825.81 4827.6 common ground I think, you know. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4827.41 4827.95 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4826.18 4827.41 'Kay. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4840.24 4840.62 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4837.7 4838.79 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4838.79 4840.24 They haven't addressed this problem. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4838.49 4848.59 you know, taken you know, the good features from, you know, both sides and and tried to put them together. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4848.79 4850.02 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4853.76 4860.1 But uh so the practical actions, you know, what are the things we're gonna go away and do. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4850.02 4853.76 I'm gonna have to go very soon because I've got this um this hearing to go to. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4860.1 4860.43 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4849.59 4849.84 Hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4850.94 4852.09 Yeah, me too. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4855.59 4856.68 I can send you a l 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4865.83 4868.29 I will send you or we can, you know 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4868.29 4873.14 chat off-line for a minute a about a list of things that I think you really need to take a look at. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4877.07 4877.56 Um 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4860.25 4865.83 Well I think we both wanna send w well, I don't know, maybe you've already done this, but I you know,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4873.14 4877.07 And Jean, probably maybe you should do the same. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4873.08 4873.62 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4877.46 4878.6 S so then later, yeah? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4876.89 4877.46 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4878.6 4878.91 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4880.34 4884.47 And if Sabrina has any ideas, we'd be happy to hear from Sabrina as well. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4883.96 4884.28 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4886.14 4886.72 Um 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4903.22 4907.12 So um it would be good to um t right now I'm doing this 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4886.18 4891.97 Um right now d uh I'm doing I'm trying to do the uh meeting action segmentation. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4928.09 4928.71 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4907.12 4913.95 um looking at the data and trying to see if I can do the meeting action segmentation first and the scheme 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4891.97 4903.22 J because uh after talking to Jane um just uh we have different ideas whether uh meeting action will be about the same size as topic segments. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4913.95 4919.88 and then do topic segmentation again to see if the boundary actually coincide with each other. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4919.88 4928.09 Yeah, if if that that do, then maybe we can talk again whether um i it it make sense. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4891.55 4891.87 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4903.43 4903.75 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4903.75 4904.03 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4902.96 4903.43 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4909.78 4910.06 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4913.02 4913.13 M 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4916.16 4916.52 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4919.95 4920.34 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4919.3 4919.95 Hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4925.29 4928.77 So you can do this exercise and then come and talk to me some time next week. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4923.66 4925.29 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4931.96 4932.18 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4928.77 4931.96 I'm not in Monday, but the other days I'll be around. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4950.56 4953.12 But uh that that the segment 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4932.63 4934.14 Um I have just started. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4946.35 4950.56 But uh maybe the boundary will not be exactly the same. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4934.14 4946.35 And um so far um I s think uh it's uh it I think it it's a still um about the s about the same level of segmentation we're talking here. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4931.35 4932.63 Alright, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4945.13 4946.77 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4946.77 4947.34 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4947.34 4947.47 S 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4978.13 4979.38 I mean you know I'm Wiki mad. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4967.14 4971.85 So we've already got you know, he's gonna um construct a list of the references he thinks is important 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4983.67 4985.68 But, you know, you don't have to do that. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4955.91 4958.78 So why don't you bring it by um next week? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4971.85 4975.26 and Johanna and I and and you as well are gonna contribute to that. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4950.49 4955.91 Yeah, so this this is interesting, but i w I don't think we can afford to l um look at this right now. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4975.26 4978.13 And we can put that on a Wiki or we can do it some other way. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4979.38 4983.67 So um if we share it, it should go on a Wiki 'cause I can't find anything in my email. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4958.78 4967.14 And i what I really wanna do concentrate just now is is finding out the how we're gonna help um Wei-Xun with with making progress on this. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4958.32 4958.6 Yeah. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4955.59 4958.32 Mm-hmm, right, sure. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4961.56 4961.97 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4964.74 4966.97 Mm, sure. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4966.97 4967.33 Yes. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 4965.22 4965.56 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4974.58 4974.99 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4979.85 4980.05 Hmm. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4978.18 4979.85 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4978.29 4978.5 Okay. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 4984.66 4986.18 Yeah, it's yeah. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 4985.92 4986.38 Hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5027.68 5030.05 And might might be an interesting exercise, right? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 4986.33 5011.6 Um and then uh how do we you're actually so what you're doing is taking all of the the the most important references for um finding argument structure that might i eventually be of some use to a meeting browser and trying to look at actual data and apply and and see like which one helps you figure out what you're actually gonna do with this particular data 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5011.6 5012.31 right. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5012.31 5025.18 So it seems to me that we should take like the front-runner scheme and the data and you should look at not front-runner scheme but front-runner theory and i see if you can speak to the data,
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5025.18 5027.68 you know, using that kind of theory at some point. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5040.47 5043.95 And so even if it we won't it won't be used,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5050.09 5068.28 And so I think going through the presentations that um were given at the work package six meeting where um and I think it was um it wasn't wha was it Anita or was it oh I've forgotten her name,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5030.22 5040.47 Well I think we need to um, like you mentioned earlier, um factor in what this might be used for in the end. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5068.28 5071.72 the other woman um from Twente, you know, they talked about 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5043.95 5050.09 maybe if it would need some higher level analysis before it could be directly used for that purpose, we should still keep that in mind. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5047.39 5048.21 The update. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5060.5 5060.83 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 5063.3 5063.57 Hmm. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5072.24 5076.8 they did they had done a lot of questionnaires, and they got some user requirements out of that. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5076.8 5087.89 And then Steve presented um the results of following people around and looking at how they used their notes from meetings. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5100.85 5109.71 But just to have to keep some of these goals in mind 'cause they're t o one scheme might let you answer this set of questions but wouldn't help you at all with another set of questions. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5087.89 5095.74 And and so that would give us some ideas about, you know, what people want, you know, out of meeting records. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5095.74 5100.85 But then we should also add things that we think are interesting. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5086.14 5086.58 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 5087.17 5087.29 Hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5099.14 5099.55 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5099.55 5101.3 But that's a good starting point, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5110.41 5117.03 So you wanna go through basically the user requirements and, you know, maybe think about some user requirements of your own and make a case for,
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5108.25 5110.41 That'll be the Exactly, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5117.03 5122.87 you know, these are the kinds of things that we'd want, and look, you're gonna need um this kind of dialogue or argument structure for it. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5122.96 5132.16 So should we expect that all the slides from like the work package six meeting or the joint work package five work pa will be u up on one of the work package web sites? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5132.16 5134.6 And if not, how do we make that happen? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5132.46 5137.18 Um uh uh I'll think about that. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5136.64 5137.89 Hmm okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5155.64 5160.72 you know, at the materials that were presented in that telecon without necessarily listening to the whole telecon. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5160.72 5161.57 Yeah? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5139.92 5150.35 Some of this was presented in at least the one spider phone or the second spider phone telecon I went to for work package six. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5150.35 5155.64 So if they're not on the web we can try to look at that,
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5165.7 5166.1 So 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5161.71 5162.08 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5162.08 5163.87 So we're just trying to get records. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5163.87 5165.7 I mean I'm sure they're not on the web yet. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5163.64 5163.76 Wh 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5164.96 5169.67 And Steve m and his I've forgotten the name, is it was it Simon, his yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5169.67 5174.68 They they've I think they may have written this up um in a report um 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5174.68 5178.37 but I wou would hope that's on the work package six web site as well. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5168.68 5169.1 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5172.83 5173.52 Mm-hmm, yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5177.76 5179.2 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5179.2 5180.08 Okay. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5189.6 5195.04 you know, take some theory that seems fairly reasonable and think about the particular data and come and talk? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5180.08 5189.6 So so we're gonna go through the requirements like that and did did you think that's that was reasonable to after that to try and um actually,
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5193.89 5201.35 I do as i once he's read a couple more I mean he's just completely missed out the collaborative problem solving world 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5203.76 5210.97 I mean you may take it into account and say no, you're wrong, and here's why, but I I I'm gonna need some convincing. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5201.35 5203.76 which I d I really think we need to take into account. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5199.85 5200.2 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5197.35 5198.04 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5198.04 5199.85 I there's a few references missing. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5213.56 5217.27 So then try front-runner scheme on, well, a front-runner theory. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5212.14 5213.56 Yep. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5216.43 5222.63 Or t or or two and see this one gives you this and this g and can't you know, are they fundamentally incompatible. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5222.63 5225.58 Or can we yeah, mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5225.51 5226.76 Yep, mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5223.81 5225.51 But try it informally. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5223.18 5223.81 Yeah. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5228.09 5229.84 'Cause I really do have to go. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5229.84 5231.2 I promised these guys I'd be there. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5226.76 5228.09 When do we get together again? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5229.55 5229.92 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5236.27 5242.05 So maybe we get together again in the yeah, I mean, I'll send them the references immediately. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5231.46 5236.27 I think this is gonna take about three weeks 'cause he's got plenty of reading to do. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5236.25 5236.53 But w 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5235.59 5236.25 Uh-huh. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5238.1 5239.97 Reading lists before that though, so right? 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5243.93 5244.4 Uh 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5241.51 5243.93 So we'll get together in about three weeks. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 5243.57 5244.09 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5244.78 5247.43 Is that enough time for you do you think? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5247.43 5250.72 Is that enough time for you to to read and think about 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 5247.05 5247.3 Sorry? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 5247.3 5249.62 You mean mm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 5251.59 5252.73 I will try my best, yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5252.71 5256.56 If y if if it's too tight, you know, I think m we can say four. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5256.56 5258.13 Or are you gonna be on holiday? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 5272.31 5273.16 Okay, thanks. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 5264.97 5265.62 Uh yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 5256.54 5261.86 Uh I m I might yeah, 'cause uh Julie and the boy is here. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 5262.32 5264.97 it's a little tiring 'cause my parents have left. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 5255.6 5256.54 Oh yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 5265.62 5270.16 So I might take two weeks off two weeks off in uh May, yeah, sometimes, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 5270.16 5272.31 Off, yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 5261.86 5262.32 So. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5283.86 5284.55 That's great. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5282.93 5283.86 Good, good. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5266.2 5267.64 Maybe four weeks? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5269.26 5270.08 Okay. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5264.76 5266.2 Yeah. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5270.08 5273.1 So we should get together probably in about four weeks, yes. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5273.1 5282.93 So when are you gonna bring this beautiful baby in to see everybody? 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5267.64 5269.26 Okay. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5265.16 5265.57 Uh-huh. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5271.47 5272.3 Four weeks, yeah. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 5278.5 5280.9 I want to see. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 5276.16 5278.5 Mm. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 5279.71 5280.49 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 5280.49 5285.05 Yeah. 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 5277.1 5279.71 Uh yeah, hope I hope so very soon. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 5285.05 5285.3 Sure. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 5283.49 5285.05 Something. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5287.14 5287.77 I'm gonna head off. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5286.28 5287.14 Right. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5288.15 5291.65 Well good luck solving your problem. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5287.81 5288.15 Yep. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5296.25 5297.84 It does something weird when you do that. 
EN2005a H03 FEE085 5291.65 5296.25 I have to tick and tick? 
EN2005a H00 MEO082 5288.25 5289.83 Okay, thanks. 
EN2005a H02 FEO084 5289.06 5289.37 Mm-hmm. 
EN2005a H01 FEE083 5289.22 5292.43 C 'cause floods are more important than dialogue structure, I'm afraid. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 8.36 9.6 And something to fidget with. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 15.67 18.3 Okay. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 20 20.46 See 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 20.35 20.79 Right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 22.61 24.88 On your marks, get set, go. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 23.22 23.41 'Kay. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 23.5 24.93 Right. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 24.09 24.39 Hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 26.71 27.93 Such a long time since I've done these. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 31.64 36.5 did you have had stages of clarification or I suppose you did, right? 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 36.5 36.82 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 27.31 31.64 Did did you guys actually had sort of um the interaction or discussions while you we doing the annotation,
EN2006a H02 FEE088 34.75 35.4 We did, yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 36.92 37.31 Um 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 35.25 36.92 At the beginning we did. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 38.52 41.06 we did a training set, didn't we, and then compared to see 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 40.61 40.99 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 40.85 42.11 Yeah, we did two of those, didn't we? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 42.67 43.51 we probably did. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 43.23 47.24 I think we did two training sets and then we had at least one meeting with you where we talked it all through. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 47.42 47.89 Mm. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 46.18 47.42 Yeah. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 48.19 48.49 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 49.29 51.45 And supposedly decided on things. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 51.45 53.41 And then we did th all the rest of them separately. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 51.46 51.94 Yes. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 54.03 54.22 Yeah. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 54.7 58.77 So did you feel that it was some some kind of some process of convergence 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 67.53 68.11 Or 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 58.77 67.53 like that initially had quite different ideas about the phrase types and and markations and then eventually you came up uh with some kind of rules that you set up between uh the two of you? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 70.06 71.73 Okay. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 67.39 70.06 Yes, I think. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 71.73 74.16 Yeah, but you convinced me. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 68.73 69.62 I'd say no 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 69.62 82.99 but I d I mean I thought we had basically the same ideas to b I don't remember ever having strong arguments about what should be in what group or it was just the rules about things that s yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 78.73 79.3 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 77.5 78.73 No, that's true. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 80.95 82.63 It's the length of it really. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 83.31 83.61 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 84.14 84.93 But we had 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 92.65 99.98 But I don't remember sort of arguing from different sides and converging, just sort of piecing out what would come up and agreeing what we'd do. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 84.39 92.65 And what counted as wha as for the spectral features it was more confusing what counted as a spectral feature, and we had a long discussion about that. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 88.66 89.66 That's really hard, yeah. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 91.24 91.61 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 91.64 92 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 93.06 93.64 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 94.89 95.22 No. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 98.42 98.76 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 99.17 99.46 Yeah. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 100.12 100.38 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 103.32 105.65 Do you reckon if we get a copy, would that be useful? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 101.17 103.32 And we we had a manual, which we haven't got here. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 106.31 112.1 It probably would be, but I don't i it's been a long time, yeah, since we've done this. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 107.83 108.28 Mm. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 108.23 108.55 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 108.31 109.9 Are we allowed to leave the meeting now it's started? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 112.02 113.69 Can we get Ben to print us out one? 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 122.41 122.48 Or 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 115.93 116.95 Okay. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 118.41 122.41 So did Dere Derek and Ben has the um the file that they this manual? 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 114.02 115.93 Yeah, I think so. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 116.95 118.41 I dropped a. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 118.32 118.83 Sign off. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 115.87 118.32 Yeah, that would be handy. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 117.65 119.56 Yes, now we're moving with the headphones. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 116.24 117.24 Mm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 117.24 117.65 Okay. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 116.39 116.96 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 122.61 123.75 We did send it to him, yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 123.06 124.38 He has had it certainly. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 125.18 126.59 Yeah, he's been emailed it while ago. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 124.38 125.18 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 123.23 125.38 Yes, he's he's been e emailed it, yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 125.38 127.06 Otherwise we can go onto our system and get it. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 124.78 125.48 Yeah? 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 125.48 125.87 O okay. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 125.03 125.34 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 133.27 134.84 Now he's gone. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 133.81 139.16 There's a cool little count-down clock that lets you know exactly how long you've been meeting as well. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 133.91 134.74 Yes. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 134.74 137.29 Let's say something rude. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 137.09 137.54 Oh really? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 139.31 139.83 Excellent. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 139.32 141.3 I oh. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 141.3 141.74 top. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 150.72 152.54 That's not no. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 147.93 150.72 Well, I guess there's telescopes, but that that's that's different though, isn't it. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 144.63 147.93 You know, we don't have high-tech things. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 141.51 144.63 We should have these things in our area. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 145.29 146.58 But no, how little work we did. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 145.83 146.8 No, we don't at all. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 147.84 150.3 I'm doing that at yes. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 153.61 153.97 Uh 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 149.32 150.56 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 150.56 153.61 But they're hardly in our areas. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 151.76 153.61 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 153.61 154.33 They have got a 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 156.32 157.47 conference thing, haven't they? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 158.84 159.69 In the A. T. C. . 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 159.81 163.78 Yeah, that's right, although you oh it isn't actually used all that often these days, I think. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 163.92 168.85 I had to fly to Germany to do a teleconference, the same as you did for the interview. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 168.85 173.62 And they fly you to Germany and put you on a four-way teleconference with three people in Chile. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 178.87 179.41 But 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 173.62 178.87 And had they asked, we could have done it fine at A. T. C. and saved me having to to go to Germany for a day. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 166.39 167.27 Yeah, I did as well. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 168.55 168.91 Gosh. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 176.17 177.36 Right, aye. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 176.51 176.94 No. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 179.15 179.63 Gosh. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 178.57 179.15 Right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 180.87 182.15 they haven't got that far. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 189.84 193.41 because they just show usually they have a camera on you and a camera on them,
EN2006a H02 FEE088 207.51 213.87 and so when all that was over, they were answering me questions and the view switched again, I realised they were sitting there in the interview going. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 200.94 207.51 And then they had a camera on showing what my slides were, and so you forget that they can see you at all,
EN2006a H02 FEE088 193.41 200.94 but during the talk part they have a camera on I believe them, 'cause I could see that guy reading a newspaper halfway through my talk. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 213.87 215.92 So 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 182.92 189.84 It's a very strange interview feeling as well, because you can't see them while you're giving your talk 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 186.94 188.52 Mm. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 189.06 190.34 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 187.31 189.06 And you miss all the the body language and things. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 193.2 193.59 Right. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 204.1 204.59 Right. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 207.25 207.64 Right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 230.36 230.93 It just 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 217.78 222.57 W we had it was a four-way split screen with me and three other people, and it just stayed like that. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 222.57 226.31 And I had the talk on a laptop in front of me and they had the talk on their laptops 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 226.31 230.36 and I had to tell tell them when to press the button to turn the page. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 212.72 217.78 And mine was even it was different again. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 219.77 220.29 Right. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 226.11 226.63 Right. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 229.48 229.89 Gosh. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 228.13 228.19 Oh. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 228.19 229.48 Right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 228.77 229.12 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 232.94 233.2 Like o 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 230.55 232.94 And you can't say looking over here. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 246.73 250.19 But I practised the talk, yeah, standing up in front of it and pointing to things,
EN2006a H01 FEE087 239.78 246.73 and so I had something with without very many um n not little flying in and things, because that would just make it really difficult. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 232.48 239.78 Yes, if you see towards the top left of the image, you'll notice And luckily Olivia had warned me it might be complicated,
EN2006a H01 FEE087 250.19 256.8 and you're sitting down in front of And you could see yourself, but not only could s you see yourself, you see yourself bounce back two seconds later. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 232.53 233.37 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 234.92 235.53 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 239.96 241.73 That's very artificial though, isn't it? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 241.73 242.71 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 242.71 244.51 Not very sensible. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 244.51 245.37 Yeah, right. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 249.23 249.91 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 249.96 250.31 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 263.7 266.05 It was a really daft situation. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 260.24 261.5 So you're like oh, did I just do that? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 258.1 260.24 By the time the signal had gone to Chile and back. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 261.5 263.7 And then you reacting to what you did a while ago. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 259.37 260.02 Is there? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 260.02 260.35 Gosh. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 258.16 259.37 That must be really weird. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 258.73 259.83 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 259.83 261.19 It is really strange. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 264.02 266.49 Well Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 263.27 264.02 Gosh. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 261.86 263.27 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 266.45 266.8 Mm. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 268.77 270.19 Okay, right, it's printing it out as well. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 270.63 271.01 Great. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 270.73 271.13 Lovely. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 270.85 271.2 Excellent. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 273.27 275.18 And then we can start fighting about 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 273.27 273.89 Right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 273.89 276.27 Shall w shall we dive in in the interim? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 276.27 276.88 Or 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 276.64 277.6 Yes, let's. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 280.01 282.36 Continuum flux or continuum. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 289.26 289.73 Yes. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 288.7 289.26 Mm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 289.68 290.41 Mm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 291.95 294.8 Flux on its own wouldn't be a spectral feature. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 294.8 296.87 I think it should probably just be continuum. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 303.39 306.36 If it was continuum luminosity, you probably wouldn't it. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 306.36 306.55 Ooh. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 307.49 309.73 No, you wouldn't do. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 312.43 312.98 Um 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 309.73 312.43 I think I'm do I think I'm working out who's top and bottom. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 315.95 317.64 Yeah, I'm happy enough with that. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 317.64 319.04 I don't feel strongly about it. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 320.91 322.77 Okay, it's my part. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 326.91 330.34 I think maybe that would make sense for you guys to know. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 323.14 326.91 I actually haven't really thought about like uh marking or not marking, who's top and who's bottom. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 330.34 330.9 I don't know. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 323.89 324 Oh. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 330.34 331.24 Ah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 331.24 334 Ben said he he left it out on purpose, which is reason 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 330.4 331.66 I think I think we've worked 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 333.3 334.58 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 333.75 336.85 Yes, and I'm pretty sure I'm bottom anyway. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 336.85 339.2 So even on one we can tell. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 335.42 335.89 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 337.09 339.87 Uh 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 335.89 337.09 I'm pretty sure I'm top. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 337.33 339.15 Okay, fair enough. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 341.19 343.74 'Cause I would fight for line being a spectral feature as well. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 342.24 342.51 Right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 344.65 346.05 Yeah, I think that's probably right as well. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 344.08 344.65 Right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 348.39 349.08 Let's do that. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 346.68 348.39 It's a bit hard to mark on this. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 350.68 351.92 Okay, next. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 359.3 360.02 Okay, fair enough. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 353.21 359.3 So so you sorry, um just for the convention, you you you marking which uh which the annotation you think is is the right one. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 357.25 357.97 The ones we want. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 359.3 360.44 Yes. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 360.44 362.52 And if neither, then we'll have to put something else. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 362.46 363.59 Mm-hmm, okay. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 364.84 365.59 Okay. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 365.59 368.72 So here we're missing soft component on the bottom. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 369.92 373.81 And I think you're probably right, soft component is a spectral feature. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 370.39 370.83 There. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 373.2 375.09 If you get line I get soft component. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 377.35 379.48 Well, if you don't No. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 375.12 377.35 Ooh. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 379.48 380.19 Yeah, go ahead. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 378.93 384.47 But well the um isn't it that if um it's a region of the spectrum that's u 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 376.53 378.93 Sorry, I I shouldn't intervene probably. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 375.22 376.53 Do you think? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 385.67 387.59 and we can point at it. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 387.59 391.64 And then it is a sp a sp spectral f f 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 391.83 392.13 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 392.22 392.41 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 393.81 395.42 feature, and that isn't 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 394.61 394.69 Pi 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 395.88 397.46 You can point to a soft component. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 396.06 397.57 You can point to a soft component. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 397.95 398.51 You think? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 398.95 399.37 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 399.24 399.63 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 399.84 400.88 Okay, alright. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 403 403.83 Okay, okay. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 400.88 403 Okay. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 400.68 402.97 It's a big bump in the soft bit. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 401.31 401.61 Is it? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 405.65 408.57 Uh, now is a feature part of spectral feature? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 412.47 413.87 I think you're right there as well. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 412.92 416.12 It c uh yeah, I'm not fussed about that. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 416.12 417.29 They both mean the same thing. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 417.94 419.92 But it's not just absorption point five K. V. . 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 419.92 421.8 It is actually something in the absorption that you're seeing. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 415.22 417.94 'Cause it it's not just absorption. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 422.87 423.64 If it was a 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 425.44 427.06 a dip in absorption or a 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 429.55 430.61 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 430.61 433.47 This is the this is the thing you point to, yep. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 437.03 438.37 So yeah, I'd say 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 433.47 437.03 Yeah, that's the thing you point to and this is a ph a physical mechanism. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 429.75 433.21 a lack of absorption, you would put it in, because we said we would put describing words. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 436.69 436.98 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 443.15 447.15 Two hundred and fifteen to go. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 447.15 447.64 Excellent. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 441.93 443.15 Two down. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 442.06 446.29 you would get a pencil. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 448.69 449.29 That's two. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 452.18 452.67 You're right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 450.69 452.18 Mm that's definitely two. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 460.1 464 I think you're right that we we weren't gonna mark the equivalent width, but we were gonna mark the lines. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 456.88 460.1 Ah, there's one with the equivalent width. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 464.47 465.14 I think that's true. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 466.52 467.21 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 471.23 473.29 Alrighty. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 478.76 479.39 You get that. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 477.02 477.77 Broad line. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 475.95 477.02 What are we missing? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 477.77 478.76 Yeah, that's true. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 477.11 480.7 And that should be a And nebulae. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 476.73 477.11 Broad line. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 481.99 482.73 Uh 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 484.32 485.51 As a source type. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 487.12 488.86 I don't remember what we were doing with nebulae. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 489.97 492.32 We weren't doing like H. two regions and stuff, were we? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 500.1 500.8 Um 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 495.12 497.25 I can't remember. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 497.25 498.66 Should we see when the manual comes. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 498.66 500.1 So let's come back to that one. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 495.99 496.94 I can't remember actually. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 498.09 498.93 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 498.93 499.36 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 502.17 502.3 Yep. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 502.4 502.96 Yes. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 507.82 509.47 I what we're doing about that either. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 509.94 517.99 Mm we were doing descriptions that made things separate classes, in which case I'd argue for elliptical I think. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 516 516.72 Select a 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 517.54 519.28 Yeah, that seems reasonable. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 522.22 524.67 My God, I've just gone mad with the underlining here. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 530.23 531.23 Um 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 528.34 530.23 Yes. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 531.22 533.01 Yeah, I. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 533.25 543.04 Breaking the power law index, I think that's probably a you can point to it, but equally it's not a it's something you've derived. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 538.97 541.86 Yeah, that's the thing, but you wouldn't know it was a p yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 546.45 549.1 A break in a spectrum is something you can point at. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 543.91 546.45 The parallel index is something you desi derive. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 549.1 549.71 So 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 548.54 548.7 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 550.65 552.71 So what's a breaking a power-law index? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 552.77 554.67 I think it's a feature. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 561.52 562.59 So yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 554.67 557.69 Um because in the s sp spectrum it does that and it does that. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 559.94 561.52 That's that is where it breaks. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 557.69 559.94 So it yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 558.91 559.36 Yep. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 557.63 558.91 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 557.8 559.05 Yeah, b that thing there. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 560.54 560.91 Okay. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 562.74 566.7 Slight depression of the continuum near the Lyman limit. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 566.7 567.84 I think you're right there as well. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 574.6 577.41 But we're supposed to say the descriptive words of the features. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 571.75 574.6 'cause you can see both the slight depression and the Lyman limit. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 567.22 571.75 And if I did it again, I'd say a slight depression of the continuum and possibly well 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 577.41 577.8 So 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 571.65 572.7 But we're supposed to say w 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 577.85 581.94 Yeah, i if it was absorption at H. alpha, that would all be one. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 581.94 584.37 Or absorption at five thousand nanometres would all be one anyway, 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 580.57 580.73 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 595.42 595.69 But 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 591.33 595.42 There's a Lyman limit, which you could see, and then there's a slight depression near it. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 584.78 591.33 Yeah, but they would be the same they'd both be the same spectral feature, whereas here they're two spectral features. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 585.67 587.98 because it was at a certain point. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 590.21 591.36 But this is near. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 598.66 599.45 It's not 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 595.62 596.6 Yeah, I think you're right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 596.6 598.66 It's it's near rather than at. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 599.5 599.91 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 601.55 603.5 Let's mark that then. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 602.91 604.14 Do you have a sense about that? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 609.16 610.54 Uh I'd agree with that, I think. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 608.26 608.74 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 605.09 608.26 Oh, you want to s split that one and, do you, into two? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 608.74 609.16 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 607.94 608.87 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 608.23 608.78 Yes. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 615.66 615.86 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 616.01 618.52 Is that K. clear? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 618.52 619.09 Oh. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 616.03 617.36 Excellent. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 621.46 622.27 Yeah, okay. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 626.83 630.19 Mm absorption. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 626.83 627.76 Uh-huh. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 631.69 637.99 That I didn't mark because it's the physical process of absorption. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 639.11 641.11 Yes, and you're right there as well. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 639.3 641.46 Not the the thing. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 642.83 644.51 Tell you who's more awake at this. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 646.33 649.83 Would there be other cases where you would actually mark an ab absorption? 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 649.83 650.36 Or 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 649.97 650.98 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 650.98 651.86 An absorption feature. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 657.37 664.17 But when you say for example the the quasar is absorbed, that just means the quasar is behind a a bunch of stuff. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 650.45 657.37 Yeah, if it was there's an absorption feature or absorption to see it the spectrum at this wave-length. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 664.17 668.15 So that's describing something physically rather than describing the spectrum itself. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 654.24 654.64 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 656.55 656.85 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 663.43 664.11 Cheers. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 664.11 664.41 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 663.88 664.2 Thanks. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 668.98 669.42 Okay. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 668.17 668.98 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 666.96 668.17 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 667.44 667.83 Thank you. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 669.16 669.52 So 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 670.56 671.14 Thank you. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 672.16 674.54 There is no steep soft component but our two K. V. . 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 678.55 681.81 I don't remember what we were gonna do about things that weren't there. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 683.12 683.78 Mm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 689.94 691.31 It's not something you can point to. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 692.84 694.78 You could point to it if it were there. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 697.42 699.03 I tend to miss out things if they're too long. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 695.49 697.42 Yes, you could. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 702.79 703.25 Um 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 714.17 716.85 But if it had been there, um you would've 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 719.8 720.78 Yes, I think you're right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 717.48 718.65 You would point to it. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 718.65 719.8 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 717.93 718.69 Marked it, yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 718.22 719.34 had it as a feature. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 720.71 720.95 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 721.86 723.42 Should we go back to number five? 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 725.03 725.94 Is that the nebula? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 726.87 727.31 Huh? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 729.03 731.24 What were we saying about nebula? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 727.31 728.22 Oh yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 731.24 732.48 Source types. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 728.22 729.03 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 726.98 728.79 But yes, nebula. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 728.79 729.01 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 727.32 728.8 Was it the nebula thin Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 746.45 747.62 No, nebula counts, doesn't it? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 750.99 753.95 I think it does. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 753.95 759.16 We weren't matching a H. two regions, because it was a region I think was the argument for that. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 751.97 752.27 Right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 757.49 757.81 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 768.24 769.87 Line again. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 772.48 778.67 But I remember we weren't gonna mark line ratios, but we were going to mark 'cau we're here where you've got equivalent width of H. beta orbited. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 769.87 772.48 Line in ratios. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 769.9 771.42 Yeah, but that's line ratios. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 780.12 780.54 But 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 781.18 782.98 Ratio is different I guess. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 782.98 783.35 Mm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 786.7 787.9 It isn't it? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 790.99 792.11 A line ratio is a thing. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 781.58 786.7 Uh, line in in line in line ratios is modifying ratios. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 787.9 790.99 It's it's not talking about specific lines. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 788.6 789.95 I guess it's similar. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 793.87 798.44 Yeah, because you haven't actually listed explicitly um that you're not going to include it. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 798.47 798.76 Right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 799.87 801.05 Don't include 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 801 802.81 L line ratio is after abundances. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 804.98 805.48 So 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 805.24 806.77 Is that the value or is that the word? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 805.45 806.54 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 808.07 808.95 Oh, I see what you mean. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 808.95 809.55 Um 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 808.9 809.23 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 810.22 812.49 Don't it in include the derived property? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 810.53 811.02 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 811.02 816.07 Yeah, I mean you wouldn't you wouldn't include abundances or line strengths. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 816.07 817.33 Yeah, it shouldn't be in. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 811.37 812.33 Well 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 815.47 815.88 No. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 816.95 818.18 You wouldn't include line in that? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 818.18 819.31 Okay. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 819.28 821.22 I don't think. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 821.22 822.5 Whoop, no. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 822.5 825.9 Oh, I see what you're doing, you're circling the one we like, right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 824.8 825.67 The one to keep, yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 827.81 833.76 Damped Lyman alpha absorbers, I think that's a spectral feature even though it's 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 835.38 838.3 You wouldn't mark the source type. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 839.95 842.54 Oh sorry, um yep. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 840.76 847.63 Um so so can I just ask w w now you just uh aligned d uh sorry, you circle the word in the in the outline which didn't 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 840.93 841.17 Here. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 852.57 853.56 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 853.56 853.65 M 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 849.64 851.31 It shouldn't be highlighted. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 847.62 849.64 Yes, because we don't want it underlined. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 851.31 852.57 So. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 851.24 851.45 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 849.36 849.88 Right, sorry. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 849.88 851.24 Ok oh, I see, okay. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 861.61 861.64 B 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 852.54 861.61 Uh right, damped Lyman see again, that's uh these are source types, the um I mean it's not a source type. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 854.57 854.72 I see. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 853.11 854.57 Cheers. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 861.74 862.26 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 862.26 865.61 But it's also a I i if we have 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 863.81 868.54 But damped Lyman alpha absorbers are th are physical things, not spectral features. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 872.73 877.24 What were we doing for things broad absorption line quasar for example. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 867.7 872.73 But th but you also absorb them by Y you observe them by their spectral feature. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 877.24 880.4 We were marking the broad absorption line as well as broad absorption line quasar. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 881.76 883.03 Ye 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 883.3 885.7 If it's defined by a spectral feature, we should mark it. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 881.77 883.3 So I think it should be the same as that. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 888.56 896.75 But uh you wouldn't be able to point something in a spectrum and say that's a damped Lyman alpha absorber, unless you'd 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 891.66 892 Here. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 896.69 898.83 You could point to damped Lyman alpha though. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 899.74 900.06 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 899.88 905.21 Because it says here, spectral features we're now referring to a type of source, E. G. quasar. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 900.28 901.29 Yeah, you could do. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 905.96 908.07 But we wouldn't say absorbers were a type of source. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 910.1 917.19 Um not a bis specific type of source, but I think still the the spectral feature ge counts, even though it's m a modifier of something. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 918.72 919.54 Okay. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 919.54 921.63 I'm not certain about that, but I 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 922.1 923.18 What do you reckon, Bob? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 922.86 923.47 Hmm. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 924.23 924.98 Um 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 928.55 934.66 Well, I mean you could look at this this spectrum and spot that um th L Lyman alpha has been damped. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 936.18 937.27 But 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 937.22 938.92 That is a n spectral feature. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 939.67 945.69 D don't with damped Lyman alpha observers you them a variety of places along the line of sight? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 945.69 947.53 So you have to know 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 947.39 947.98 Oh yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 947.98 948.6 No, that's true. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 949.58 954.09 I don't know what which doesn't help. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 948.93 949.58 How does it work? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 951.65 955.49 If you look at a quasar and you see a bunch uh if you got a bunch of clouds of gas in the way,
EN2006a H02 FEE088 955.49 962.63 you can see these things and but you wouldn't be able to point at one of them and say ah, that's a damp yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 962.63 963.83 They're gonna be at different red-shifts. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 955.55 955.89 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 961.72 963.3 Yeah yeah yeah, that's true. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 960.99 961.72 Different redshifts. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 962.65 963.06 Y ye 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 964.96 968.97 But that doesn't mean that it's you could still say that's damped Lyman alpha and that's damped Lyman alpha. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 969.6 971.88 I don't know how they do th that. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 971.88 972.12 But 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 970.64 971.16 Yeah, but 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 971.48 973.13 You could say all of that is damped Lyman alpha. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 973 974.79 But you're guessing in a way though, aren't you? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 974.79 975.63 So 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 974.12 974.47 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 976.34 979.07 But isn't that j always the case with something that's not particularly 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 977.16 977.28 Ye 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 979.14 981.99 Well no, but you see them in all sorts of different red red-shifts. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 981.99 984.49 It's like the the Lyman alpha forest, sort of. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 983.61 984.05 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 987.52 989.03 And I'm not certain I would 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 990.64 991.65 I would mark that. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 992.73 996.32 Mm that's a that's a tricky one, certain certainly. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 994.74 995.72 It's a tricky one. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 994.92 1000.71 It it if it was if it was some other spectral feature and then absorbers, 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1002.74 1003.66 would we mark it? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1006.56 1011.46 Um no, I wouldn't, because it's they're physical things, not spectral features. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1019.82 1021.12 and we wouldn't mark that source type. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1011.46 1019.82 You can't point at something on a spectrum and say that's definitely a d damped Lyman alpha some I g and I guess it's because they're modifiers of this source type 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1020.02 1020.34 But 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1025.53 1026.68 We're not marking absorbers. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1026.68 1028.48 But if it was a damped Lyman alpha quasar. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1022.31 1025.53 But we include modifiers of source types we would mark. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1023.51 1023.99 Wouldn't you? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1024.9 1026.66 We wouldn't mark absorbers, no. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1027.15 1028.07 Wouldn't you have all of it? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1033.88 1036.56 If it was broad absorption line quasar, we'd mark it. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1029.82 1033.88 then we would mark quasar and we would mark damped Lyman alpha. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1037.94 1040.49 So it's just I guess whether damped Lyman alpha is a spectral feature 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1036.56 1037.94 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1033.15 1037.4 Right, well th yeah, th that's in the the manual. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1037.4 1038 So 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1033.84 1034.19 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1036.68 1036.9 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1041.92 1044.26 in itself. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1044.26 1049.27 Which I would probably say it was, but then I've never looked at i one. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1043.83 1045.59 Hmm it's tricky one. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1047.69 1050.19 I g I guess it is. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1050.99 1051.1 I 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1051.28 1051.64 Okay. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1054.6 1055.33 I mean is a ch 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1051.51 1054.6 And that it is altering the spectrum, isn't it? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1055.54 1055.9 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1056.48 1058.68 change in the s spectrum of 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1056.68 1056.96 Okay. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1062.26 1066.38 I guess y you know, we we say a uh big blue bump or a soft or a continuum. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1066.38 1067.48 And we include those. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1059.99 1062.26 It doesn't have to be something that's specific. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1060.21 1061.11 background objects. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1069.13 1076.26 But we weren't going to include s descriptions of spectral features that were based on fitting, were we? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1079.24 1081.71 Well no, we included p steep soft component, sorry. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1075.6 1079.24 That true, but w we have included c power law though. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1081.71 1086.89 And here we included breaking the power law, because of the break. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1077.08 1077.56 Uh is that right? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1078.72 1078.94 Have we? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1086.92 1088.39 Steep soft component. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1088.39 1090.09 Yeah, breaking the power law is something I'm not certain of. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1090.09 1095.01 Steep soft component is something you can point at in a spectrum and say, there it is. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1095.98 1096.27 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1095.01 1095.98 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1092.28 1093.48 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1097.15 1098.4 You know, what's steep and what's shallow. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1093.48 1097.15 But there's still some degree of fitting and it's steep, you're saying. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1102.35 1103.76 It's tricky. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1104.56 1105.38 Let's have that for now then. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1105.38 1109.19 You if if we change our mind later when we go through, we can always come back to it and say 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1105.4 1105.97 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1105.97 1106.83 That's grand. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1107.61 1108.35 Yes. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1106.83 1107.61 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1106.08 1106.55 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1108.86 1109.22 No. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1112.34 1117.45 Um again I'd say this this is a physical process, not a spectral feature. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1116.82 1118.09 Yeah, you're right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1121.11 1124.04 Uh 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1121.48 1124.79 And absorption again. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1125.05 1125.28 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1131.89 1133.45 Right, what have we got different here? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1134.56 1137.68 Uh I don't have K. star, but I should do. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1136.08 1136.66 It's 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1135.3 1136.08 Hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1138.93 1144.36 Yeah, it's that one and this one here. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1144.36 1147.04 Oh, we were including feature within spectral feature. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1147.27 1147.78 Wait, where 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1152.08 1152.35 Okay. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1152.7 1153.36 Okay. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1158.07 1159.53 What's wrong with broad H. alpha? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1160.54 1162.67 I think I just missed it. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1162.67 1168.04 I think it's not as if it's a although it's four widths half maximum, it's still the s the line within it. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1161.57 1161.83 Right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1167.98 1168.23 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1169.83 1170.33 Okay. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1171.22 1171.72 That was easy. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1176.96 1180.68 Silicone two is an element rather than a 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1182.25 1183.79 In this context. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1186.11 1187.33 These are the lines. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1185.23 1186.11 Rather than a line. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1189.29 1189.86 I guess what you w 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1191.08 1199.19 If wasn't in there, then you'd have it silicone two lines at but without with the I think that means silicone two derived from these two features. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1193.75 1194.55 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1204.41 1206.25 Yeah, I think so too in that 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1207.82 1207.99 Okay. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1208.06 1208.24 M 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1209.42 1211.39 That's actually an ionic species, isn't it actually? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1211.39 1214.94 Not a a spectral feature as such o on its own. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1210.96 1212.36 Yeah, that's true, yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1211.46 1211.77 Mm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1214.98 1216 Yeah, that's true. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1217.13 1220.47 Lyman alpha forest clouds. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1218.58 1221.07 Oh no, we're back to it again. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1222.06 1224.06 Lyman alpha forest you can point to on the spectrum. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1225.06 1230.74 That's true, but Lyman alpha forest clouds are source types we aren't marching marking. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1231.34 1233.92 So we haven't basically, we just haven't got a a rule for 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1235.46 1239.36 spectral features within or referring to s types of source when we're not bother marking the source. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1237.78 1239.83 Which we don't mark, yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1242.2 1243.51 But we can just be consistent. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1242.28 1245.48 So are we marking H. two and H. two regions, for example? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1251.68 1251.98 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1246.03 1251.68 And I don't think we are, 'cause that's not a spectral feature in the spectrum we're looking at. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1248.96 1249.47 Oh, that's true. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1249.47 1253.47 But b yeah, but I guess it's not it's not defined by a spectral feature though, H. two region, whereas 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1250.58 1251.06 No. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1254.83 1261.25 Lyman alpha forest is defined by the definition of Lyman alpha forest clouds is that they have Lyman alpha forests. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1261.51 1265.83 But saying that isn't the same as saying we've seen that in a spectrum,
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1265.83 1270.1 whereas a broad line quasar, someone has looked at it and they've seen a broad line. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1271.28 1272.94 But someone's l someone's looked at that spectrum. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1271.38 1277.44 But if you're discussing Lyman alpha forest clouds, they could just be discussing the physical object, which we aren't marking. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1278.98 1280.92 B b why aren't you marking it then? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1282.16 1284.43 Because they weren't I don't know. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1286.28 1289.9 I don't think we were making diffuse diffuse emission or 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1286.38 1286.95 The the 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1286.81 1290.33 Anything blobby I di I didn't mark. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1290.33 1290.66 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1291.44 1291.76 Uh-huh. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1292.3 1293.2 Um 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1295.36 1295.77 Or 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1293.4 1295.36 I it it wouldn't count as a source type? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1298.58 1299.13 Um 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1296.09 1298.58 Well, that's p what I'm p pondering really. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1296.85 1297.28 Yeah. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1297.27 1298.22 Yeah. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1298.22 1298.51 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1299.08 1303.39 I w I remembered not marking nebula or clouds or 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1302.8 1303.49 Hmm. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1305.27 1311.14 Yeah, but this is um species of cloud, it's a p 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1305.99 1306.26 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1317.22 1319.89 So isn't that different? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1312.81 1317.22 a particular species of cloud, not just a general cloud, isn't it? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1318.33 1318.64 Mm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1318.92 1319.42 Mm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1323.22 1327.45 It's a modifier of of clouds, but I don't th don't think if we're including the 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1329.29 1329.68 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1331.27 1335.29 I think if we're not including nebula and clouds, we can't include 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1331.51 1333.02 I think we just have to decide whether we're doing it. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1334.05 1336.75 Yeah, but Bob's saying maybe we should be uh including nebula and clouds. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1336.84 1338.02 Perhaps we should've done. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1338.51 1340.66 But we haven't for the whole thing. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1340.78 1344.85 So I think maybe we just need to put under don't include diffuse emission. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1339.27 1340.78 But we haven't done for the whole thing. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1341.05 1341.58 Okay, th 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1341.84 1342.3 Yeah. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1341.9 1342.29 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1343.72 1344.07 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1342.61 1343.72 Then I guess not then. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1346.64 1346.84 Hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1350.78 1356.51 But then we still have to decide if we don't label the source, what do we do about the spectral features that define that source? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1362.68 1364.22 We mark broad absorption line in that. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1358.31 1362.68 I if we have for example broad absorption line object, we mark that. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1364.38 1369.06 But that's 'cause we've to know it's a rather broad absorp absorption line object we have seen it. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1368.23 1372.39 It's an but just to know this is a Lyman alpha forest cloud, we're seen Lyman alpha forest. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1373.78 1374.28 Uh 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1375.05 1375.66 And 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1377.39 1380.37 But it's in this s sp sp sp sp spectrum of another object though. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1387.47 1388.04 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1380.37 1387.47 It it isn't the spectrum of the clouds. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1388.59 1391.05 but it a spectral feature in the quasar, the Lyman alpha forest. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1383.76 1388.59 But it's still a spectral feature, even if it's not it might be a spectral feature i not in the cloud,
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1391.46 1394.54 Uh and he could point at it, that's true, and say that is 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1390.06 1391.46 That is true. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1390.99 1391.39 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1393.47 1394.78 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1394.78 1395.46 Let's keep them. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1393.53 1397.39 Okay. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1397.39 1399.53 Even if not marked. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1395.46 1395.78 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1397 1397.32 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1405.92 1409.71 Okay, so th Lyman alpha forest again. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1402.67 1405.92 No one else can read that, sorry. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1404.26 1404.55 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1406.46 1406.94 And here. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1405.73 1406.46 Nope. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1410.1 1410.45 Yep. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1412.44 1416.77 And that definitely is a spectral feature on its own then, 'cause it doesn't even say Lyman alpha forest clouds. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1415.47 1416.89 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1416.89 1417.18 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1417.02 1417.34 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1418.24 1423.52 Each helium two optical depth, I think that's elemental species. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1422.34 1424.5 There, that's derived, you're right. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1422.44 1422.9 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1429.43 1431.63 Oh, we marked the same lines. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1429.3 1429.43 Oh. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1431.84 1433.33 Excellent. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1430.43 1431.84 Oh, rubbish. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1433.54 1434.86 What have we done differently? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1434.5 1436.52 Uh you've got line brightness temperatures. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1442.34 1445.36 And we weren't using line 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1440.21 1442.34 They're gonna we're gonna have a lot of these. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1438.93 1440.21 'Cause the property of the line. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1441.55 1442.2 Yeah, we are. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1440.69 1441.55 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1446.66 1448.98 What was the one we didn't do before? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1448.98 1450.27 Line ratio we weren't doing. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1450.2 1452.38 Yeah, I don't think line brightness temperatures counts. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1454.14 1456.19 'Cause it's not talking about a specific line. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1456.81 1457.02 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1457.57 1458.8 So Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1457.68 1459.93 Was talking about l lines, okay. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1460.24 1461.09 I don't think that counts. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1468.28 1468.72 Right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1466.62 1468.28 Feature. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1466.63 1468.05 Line feature, need that. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1472.8 1478.7 Did did you resolve the the li the different um segmentations, like uh the main problem was 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1470.69 1472.8 Um sorry, can we just go back th uh one page? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1473.02 1473.26 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1479.48 1480.58 There's only one difference here. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1487.05 1487.53 Yeah, I see. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1481.1 1485.57 Oh sorry, I I thought it was a problem of like uh one having underlined the entire oh sorry. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1485.57 1487.05 No no, I I se okay, sorry. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1486.09 1486.79 Yeah, they're all the same. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1485.25 1486.09 Oh, no. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1485.69 1488.98 No, no, they are the same otherwise. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1492.49 1493.45 That one's the same. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1488.98 1492.49 Quite impressively. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1490.53 1492.64 Yes, excellent. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1492.64 1494.68 Um damped Lyman alpha again. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1496.77 1497.76 Systems. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1500.97 1502.55 Uh yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1501.23 1503.89 And damped Lyman alpha data. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1504.93 1506.21 That's a modifier of data. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1507.2 1510.28 I can't even but if you said 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1514.67 1514.86 A d 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1511.91 1514.67 I mean that's that's a description of the type of data. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1512.59 1513.85 If you said the spectral dat 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1515.02 1516.94 The continuum's spet mm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1517.25 1518.9 I really don't think that counts. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1520.04 1524.11 But if it's a damped Lyman alpha spectrum, you'd mark damped Lyman alpha, because in the spectrum. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1524.11 1525.93 And and a da is equivalent of spectrum. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1524.21 1525.68 I wouldn't, but you would. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1528.61 1533 I think just because it's got a spectral feature in the phrase,
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1533 1537.26 you wouldn't for example, when we were saying silicone two levels, we didn't mark silicone two. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1538.53 1540.9 That's that's got nothing to do with the spectrum. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1539.51 1542.67 That's because it was talking about s but if it's saying silicone two line. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1544.34 1545.56 Levels the new word. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1545.16 1553.08 But what this actually means is we've made some measurements based on damped Lyman alpha measurements, and they tell us this answer. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1553.08 1556.49 And this answer is inconsistent with that answer. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1556.49 1557.49 Yeah, I don't think that's right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1554.21 1556.37 I think you're probably right in the case of it being data. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1560.24 1561.56 Hmm? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1563.35 1565.25 I th I think I would mark it. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1561.72 1563.35 I'm not sure actually. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1566.42 1567.08 And 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1568.27 1568.63 Mm. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1568.51 1568.99 And that it 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1570.59 1573.87 It is a region of the spectrum and they're actually using a region of the spectrum 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1575.04 1576.73 as the data. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1576.73 1577.42 Um 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1575.06 1575.6 Well 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1578.92 1580.6 If it's an emission line data 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1579.79 1582.39 But if you both want not to mark it, then fine, don't mark it. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1582.51 1582.82 M 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1583.89 1585.88 If it's an emission line data, would we put it in? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1582.79 1583.89 Mm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1586.05 1588.75 I wouldn't, but because it's a modifier of data. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1587.36 1590.51 But if it just said em but if it just said emission line, we would. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1592.53 1593.68 It the emission line is strong. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1593.68 1595.39 The emission line data shows strong. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1599.06 1604.31 Then uh I think it's the same actually, I th I think it's data isn't even needed. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1611.4 1616.37 Or the damped Lyman alpha feature, if you put feature there rather than data, then you'd mark it. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1616.37 1617.98 But I think data is equivalent if 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1606.87 1611.4 It's inconsistent with the damped Lyman alpha at more than the ninety nine percent. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1616.01 1616.96 B but 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1614.98 1616.01 Oh feature, absolutely. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1655.05 1660.75 But uh th given that the kind of thing is that that this named entity recogn task is is a much is a much more uh literal thing. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1618.87 1621.52 So from the perspective the named entity recognition task 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1635.27 1635.43 Right 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1652.94 1655.05 then you'd probably be right in this case, right. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1646.58 1652.94 which I mean sort of like if if you if you were to resolve these kind of uh cases in order to put them say in a database or so,
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1631.18 1635.27 then um we then I think the convention was that we still that you still would mark that. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1667.2 1667.37 Yeah. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1627.03 1631.18 right, the there was no um damped L. Y. alpha something 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1635.43 1646.58 so it's more like uh a s it's uh uh it's uh sort of like a quite literal task that's really like finding these kind of uh these types of strings uh rather than really referring to the underlying physical reality 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1663.04 1667.2 I think in this case um I w I would say this is probably an entity. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1660.75 1663.04 Like really just fin finding these kind of strings. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 1621.52 1627.03 so I th I think th there there was also this one guideline of saying for example if something uh is sitting under a negation,
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1620.17 1620.41 Mm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1627.59 1627.79 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1630.77 1630.93 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1635.65 1635.91 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1642.88 1643.31 Mm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1643.4 1643.6 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1647.37 1647.57 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1662.86 1663.19 Right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1663.17 1663.5 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1666.4 1667.42 Okay. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1667.42 1668.27 That's think enough. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1666.55 1666.8 Okay. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1670.84 1674.6 Given that we can argue about it for ten minutes, it's probably not that clear-cut. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1672.15 1673.34 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1675.9 1676.26 Alright. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1676.49 1679.81 Damped Lyman alpha systems and uh it shouldn't be either of them. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1679.81 1681.87 It should be damped Lyman alpha 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1680.49 1680.81 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1677.89 1680.49 Take it again, but systems should be out. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1684.7 1685.64 Spectral feature. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1683.16 1684.7 in red, whatever that is. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1689.68 1691.37 And that shouldn't be there at all. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1692.93 1693.53 You've done it again. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1691.51 1692.93 Mm 'kay. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1693.47 1694.44 And I've done it twice. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1701.84 1702.99 Is that clear enough? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1703.04 1703.39 Yes. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1707.22 1707.79 Right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1707.79 1708.73 Source type. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1710.03 1710.97 Flat spectrum 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1710.12 1711.5 Did we have a rule about this? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1721.39 1727.15 So I think we should probably include the flat spectrum with your q with your quasar is a very different from steep spectrum. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1712.3 1721.39 We were including modifiers, including broad line quasars, non broad line quasars as well. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1721.38 1722.06 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1725.24 1727.34 Yep, that's true. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1727.34 1728.38 That is true. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1733.46 1734.71 We're ten percent of the way there. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1735.05 1735.5 Are we? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1735.5 1735.88 Excellent. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1737.33 1738.77 Just hitting the half an hour mark. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1740.62 1742.24 We'll go p could be here all day. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1739.18 1740.62 You have to s speed up. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1739.24 1740.05 Continua. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1743.36 1745.44 Remarkably soft ionising continua. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1741.41 1743.36 Oh gosh, it will be here forever. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1749.12 1751.44 Or or continuum. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1746.71 1749.12 You're right though, I think. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1750.01 1759.37 See that i that's talking about the the flux of kin of ionising photons rather then the continuum of that spectrum. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1759.37 1761.61 So I don't like that one. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1757.2 1759.38 The absorbed continuum. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1759.38 1760.51 Mm-hmm, yes. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1768.85 1769.05 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1765.7 1768.85 Oxygen abundance. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1765.72 1767.93 Oxygen shouldn't be there. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1767.93 1769.76 That's not observed. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1773.42 1778.64 Heavy element absorption lines I think should be there. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1773.81 1774.87 Mm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1779.03 1780.57 I'm happy enough with that. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1782.81 1784.08 Now what else is different? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1784.13 1785.98 Blue-shifted. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1785.98 1787.47 that's okay with me, I don't care. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1789.44 1791 Yeah, you can have that as well. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1790.45 1793.05 Oh, thank you. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1793.05 1794.03 And that one. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1790.08 1790.45 Mm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1792.23 1793.16 There you go. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1795.77 1796.6 Next. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1798.04 1799.58 Uh 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1799.17 1802.84 You're right, star-forming galaxies are distinct. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1803.04 1803.8 I think they are. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1808.12 1809.6 I don't know why I did that. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1809.6 1810.67 I don't like that at all. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1812.39 1814.85 Probably because you were doing seven thousand of these an hour. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1808.35 1812.39 That's, yeah, derived. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1817.53 1819.58 Lines from ions? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1814.31 1817.53 Yeah, could be that I was a bit sleepy. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1823.38 1826.4 You can't tell the difference between a line from an ion and a line line from something else. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1826.82 1827.36 You mean that? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1827.48 1829.23 Well, you'd know where they are in the 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1833.46 1834.41 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1832.37 1833.46 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1830.42 1832.37 Well I guess yeah, I dunno. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1834.41 1834.91 That's true. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1831.76 1834.31 If it was lines from H. two you'd mark it. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1836.85 1837.89 That's true. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1837.89 1838.17 Alright. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1840.64 1841.85 What were we gonna do about flux? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1839.01 1840.64 Blue wing flux. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1856.39 1856.86 Doesn't say. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1863.48 1863.66 Hmm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1857.11 1863.48 Yeah, but the feature itself is blue wing flux or if it was said blue wing feature, we'd mark feature. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1866.58 1868.72 Yes, it's the amount of stuff in the blue wing. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1868.72 1869.94 So I'm happy with that. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1868.56 1868.93 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1873.53 1874.55 Line peak. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1882.72 1886.86 Even though it's talking about increasing line peak, it's also talking about increasing excess blue wing. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1880.79 1882.72 I think that should be marked. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1890.89 1892.46 Should actually be excess blue wing flux. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1895.46 1895.72 Don't know. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1894.58 1895.46 Possibly. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1899.16 1899.51 Anyway. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1902.37 1902.98 Ah uh 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1902.44 1904.57 I think line peak is something you can point to. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1904.36 1908.18 You can point to it, but can you point to a line peak velocity shift? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1905.92 1906.36 Well I y 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1908.54 1912.84 No, but you can't you can't s also point to increa increasing blue wing. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1908.56 1909.64 Yeah, I don't think you can. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1913.31 1917.52 Well you can point to blue wing flux, 'cause you have your line and there's the blue wing flux. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1917.52 1921.58 But if the line peak is increasingly shifted, you'd 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1913.75 1913.91 What 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1915.41 1915.8 Mm. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1921.59 1924.72 Yeah, uh I don't think that's a feature. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1925.38 1925.98 Okay. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1930.18 1934.47 Mm there's a system issue again, so we should be consistent and keep it. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1934.47 1934.67 Right? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1930.42 1930.75 Light. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1935.12 1936.16 Ye yes. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1946.11 1947.91 Right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1947.91 1950.26 Neutral hydrogen Gunn-Petersen absorption. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1953.44 1954.77 I think all of that's a spectral 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1955.91 1956.46 feature. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1958.9 1963.69 It's basically a way of saying the Gunn-Petersen t it's a way of saying the Gunn-Petersen trough though. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1959.77 1961.25 It's a process, isn't it? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1958.97 1959.77 Really? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1961.41 1961.8 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1974.14 1975.02 you'd mark the whole thing. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1981.46 1984.2 It's a marks the kind of spectral feature, doesn't it? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1975.02 1981.46 If it was hydrogen align you would, so you should mark if it was or H. beta absorption. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1965.03 1974.14 Which, if you just said that it's Gunn-Petersen absorption from neutral hydrogen rather than i if it was a t if it was hydrogen absorption 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1966.41 1967.05 Well 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1969.78 1970.66 Isn't that a process? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 1985.06 1986.13 It's a process, isn't it? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 1986.74 1987.28 Mm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1987.06 1990.7 But so is H. beta absorp uh emission as a process from H. beta. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1990.7 1993.52 But it's still this is a process from neutral hydrogen. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1997.6 1999.35 And the fact that Gunn-Peterson comes between it 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 1995.14 1997.6 I guess what I'm meaning is neutral hydrogen should be in there. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2000.69 2001.41 is just a pain. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2003.24 2004.63 Well it I wouldn't 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2003.56 2004.16 Mm. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2007.08 2011.47 I think all of that is um just that is process. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2005.91 2007.08 have any of it, I think. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2013.82 2014.14 Isn't it? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2014.09 2016.82 I think I might agree with you. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2015.08 2015.69 Mm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2019.36 2021.36 'Cause this definitely shouldn't be marked. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2022.47 2024.06 Because that is a process, not a 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2023.08 2023.47 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2023.65 2024.1 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2025.08 2025.13 A 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2026.55 2028.47 And if that shouldn't be marked, then that shouldn't be marked. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2029.08 2030.36 Okay. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2030.36 2031.73 Let's just cross everything out. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2038.01 2038.4 Right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2041.73 2043.28 Blue-shifted absorption. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2050.88 2054.6 I think it's a modifier of the thing, and so it probably should be there. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2058.92 2059.14 Mm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2057.86 2058.92 Oh okay. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2059.73 2064.23 As in we're putting weak and strong absorption would count, so I think blue-shifted should. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2064.23 2065.05 Um 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2061.11 2061.33 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2066.64 2068.6 that's talking about the line, isn't it? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2071.91 2073.28 So that should be in. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2076.5 2078.61 Hmm yes. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2078.61 2078.85 Okay. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2078.91 2079.21 You think? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2081.79 2082.56 That's talking about uh 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2079.36 2081.79 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2085.76 2088.54 strength rather than 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2090.13 2090.65 Um 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2090.14 2094.67 It's not the uh abundance of it or any derived property, it's just the strength of the lines. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2096.3 2097.08 You don't think that it 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2098.32 2099.77 Actually is abundance really in a way. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2104.44 2105.01 I'm not sure. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2105.01 2105.36 But 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2105.3 2106.52 I guess perhaps it is. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2106.8 2107.96 I'm not sure. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2107.96 2108.19 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2109.15 2109.92 But um 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2107.65 2109.15 Yeah, I'm not sure either. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2108.17 2111.59 Um let's make a decision. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2119.19 2120.84 I guess it could be abundance. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2121.13 2125.89 B oh yeah, either that if that shouldn't be in, neither should either of those. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2132.14 2136.8 Uh if it's a F. i of a two line strength we would definitely put it in. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2128.16 2132.14 I think you probably should then, 'cause we will put in our align strength. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2127.39 2128.16 Yes, that's true. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2128.54 2129.66 Mm yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2137.32 2138.66 Yeah, that's right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2138.88 2141.55 And I think that's what it's referring to, even though it's not 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2141.67 2142.17 Uh i 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2143.52 2144.47 It's not saying 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2143.94 2144.54 Well, but it 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2146.31 2147.19 two. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2146.42 2149.1 Isn't this an elemental um abundance 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2150.5 2152.6 that you estimate actually using a number of lines? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2152.6 2154.55 Is it it isn't just one discrete 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2158.17 2158.21 B 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2156.96 2158.17 line in the spectrum, is it? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2159.88 2160.26 A feature? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2160.15 2160.61 I'm not sure. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2160.17 2161.1 Its lines. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2162.23 2162.57 What do you mean? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2163.44 2164.03 Well if you t 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2163.92 2166.81 It's an abundance i it's an element I guess, but it's 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2166.8 2167.19 Is it 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2166.82 2169.17 Two is an ionic species and it'll have a number of 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2171.48 2173.95 Lines in the spectrum, and you'll uh estimate 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2178.37 2181.85 On the abundance all of the s species actually use the old lines. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2182.69 2183.5 Uh 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2185.88 2190.94 I think that's still looking at the amount of flux coming out of the out of all the F. E. two lines, rather than 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2183.75 2185.88 But it's a strength rather than abundance. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2191.73 2194.88 We've marked thing have we marked things like 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2196.15 2198.67 Yeah, I don't know if we've marked things like silicone one 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2199.92 2200.29 throughout. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2208.64 2210.84 And I maybe it's not clear enough to mark. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2201.12 2208.64 In general we haven't if unless it's specifically saying it's a line, but I guess the question is just as specifically referred to a line. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2202.58 2205.17 They haven't been if it's yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2203.44 2203.73 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2204.77 2205.09 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2211.48 2212.13 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2213.25 2214.31 Let's not mark it then. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2214.14 2216.52 If we don't mark it though, we definitely shouldn't mark these two, should we? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2213.91 2214.14 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2218.15 2223.85 If it says it F. E. two line strength then we would mark it, 'cause you're talking about the line of it rather than the ev element. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2216.66 2218.15 Well line, narrow line. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2225.27 2225.88 Do you agree with that? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2226.07 2227.57 I think so, yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2231.76 2232.56 But 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2227.08 2231.76 If that's true then their leaving out the word line I don't should mean that it shouldn't be marked. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2232.86 2233.27 Or 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2231.66 2232.86 The word line should be in there. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2233.98 2235.12 Oh well, what's new. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2235.8 2236.03 Like 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2234.13 2235.8 But I mean, we know what they mean. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2236.25 2238.05 Yeah, I think they mean l 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2246.21 2248.8 But it's just not very clear. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2245.21 2246.21 I think that's what they probably mean. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2240.32 2245.21 I think they mean the line strength rather than the F. E. two abundance. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2246.83 2248.11 Yeah, yeah, okay. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2244.9 2246.83 Well, then have it in. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2244.44 2244.9 Okay. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2244.73 2245.54 Yeah, let's leave it in. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2246.83 2249.37 Next. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2251.23 2253.5 B. S., bloated star. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2253.5 2254.16 That's a 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2251.23 2252.03 Uh 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2253.61 2254.42 Oh, is that what that means? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2255.36 2255.71 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2255.77 2256.36 Oh yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2257.65 2258.02 Okay. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2259.23 2261.42 Um take out line. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2263.17 2263.81 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2265.32 2267.23 And that's just the wrong 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2266.39 2268.44 Seyfert two. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2268.44 2270.16 Oh, yep. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2268.26 2271.88 that's just the wrong colour, as is that. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2271.86 2272.37 You're right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2278.94 2280.25 I think you were right there. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2279.36 2280.86 Radio loud counts, yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2290.4 2291.29 Yep, you're right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2291.52 2291.87 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2296.5 2298.69 And you're right there as well. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2298.69 2300.5 That's a physical process. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2299.21 2299.38 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2302.06 2302.29 Okay. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2306.84 2307.31 That counts. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2310.84 2314.27 And if it was mid-infrar uh if it was, you'd put it in. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2307.37 2310.84 Yes, that was one I wasn't sure about, 'cause infrared. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2311.06 2311.58 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2310.08 2311.06 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2318.13 2323.41 That's just the wrong na that's just this should be a source name. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2321.94 2324.62 Yeah, the and this shouldn't be, should it? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2325.62 2326.21 I don't know w 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2326 2330.94 M m does those count as modifiers active, we definitely include active. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2331.96 2332.66 Yes. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2336.12 2336.8 I presumed it 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2332.66 2336.12 I guess the problem is due to what does that m mean. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2332.96 2333.68 So 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2336.3 2336.83 What does that mean? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2336.32 2337.81 It's a k kind of elliptical, is it? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2340.46 2341.75 What I don't know what the J. means. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2339.09 2340.46 A E. two is a kind of elliptical. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2340.94 2341.17 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2340.3 2340.94 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2339.65 2340.3 Oh yeah, yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2340.88 2341.38 Is it? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2343.21 2344.45 'Cause that's one I just didn't know what it 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2341.38 2343.21 Okay, right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2346.31 2347.19 Uh I thought it was a catalogue. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2350.21 2350.6 Mm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2353.86 2356.17 H. alpha I think should be marked, yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2356.16 2359.82 Those can does that not mean a a broad band detection? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2361.09 2361.84 And does that count? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2363.23 2364.94 Sorry, what's the I can't see. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2364.46 2365.77 Uh H. alpha detection. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2367.67 2371.62 Yeah, you're still detecting a line, even if you're detecting it from broad-band filters. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2374.63 2377.06 But don't we say we don't do that? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2377.23 2378.11 Um 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2380.08 2381.31 Ah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2382.5 2385.53 Don't include modifiers of regions or systems, E. G. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2381.31 2382.5 I'm right, look. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2381.32 2382.28 Broad-band 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2386.23 2387.92 Broad line region, you are right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2388.69 2389.78 That's why I wasn't doing it. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2386.81 2388.69 region, systems. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2390.66 2392.19 Okay, we'll just go back and change those. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2389.48 2390.66 And now align nebulae. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2392.19 2392.55 You're right. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2390.33 2390.86 Right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2390.96 2392.09 G ah, look at that. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2395.6 2396.92 Started here. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2396.92 2397.52 Um 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2394.08 2395.6 Okay, where was it? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2401.05 2403.33 Why did it so we mark 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2405.87 2407.3 Um we have got nebulae marked here. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2409.96 2413.12 Yeah, but b uh modifiers of regions or systems is the 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2410.07 2410.87 Oh. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2410.87 2415.28 Yeah, okay, modifiers with them, which is give a yell if you see one. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2414.44 2419.69 Yeah, we could always change this if we think we're right, rather than going back through and 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2419.19 2423.09 So damped Lyman alpha absorbers shouldn't be in there. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2423.75 2427.79 Based on this, but we could change this rule rather than changing all those things. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2427.79 2430.06 What's the what was the appropriate thing to do at this point? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2427.41 2432.81 But then I'm i I p I probably use that rule so half the time, and just forgotten to use at other times. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 2447.75 2453.45 But if you sorta like change a rule now on the fly, then that might be then that might b uh create inconsistencies with the 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 2443.17 2447.75 Right, so uh I mean this really only displays uh th those cases where you disagreed. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 2436.48 2441.29 I mean in a sense you also want to make sure that the annotation that that they the agreements that you arrive on today 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 2434.23 2436.48 Um so uh just about changing rules 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 2441.29 2443.17 that they're consistent with what you did before. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2443.08 2443.39 Mm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2443.33 2443.57 Right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2447.38 2448.55 Right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2449.88 2450.26 Yep 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2448.55 2449.88 Right. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2449.41 2449.86 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2450.21 2450.46 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2452.67 2454.31 'Cause you might have followed that rule. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2454.31 2454.54 Right. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2452.92 2453.19 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2456.33 2458.6 So let's take that out. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2458.6 2459.76 Um 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2453.59 2456.33 Yes, I I'm sure I've followed that rule sometimes and just forgotten. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 2454.51 2454.73 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2456.92 2457.19 Alright. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2460.08 2461.39 Um 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2467.04 2468.09 Lyman alpha forest here. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2468.21 2468.71 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2470.94 2476.44 But lyman alpha forest should be in here, because it's not talking about uh m it's not modified. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2476.15 2476.92 Yeah, that's fine. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2480.88 2482.64 Damped Lyman alpha systems. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2484.59 2485.9 Damped Lyman alpha data. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2484.73 2487.27 Ah, we're back to damped Lyman alpha data. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2492.23 2493.79 Data I think we should keep in. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2494.64 2496.35 Okay. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2495.73 2497.8 Because it's would be the same as feature. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2498.79 2499.07 I 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2501.59 2504.48 I think data's the same as spectrum, 'cause the data is a spec m 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2499.6 2501.59 Or spec spectrum. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2500.66 2503.01 I do I still don't think that goes in. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2503.01 2503.24 But 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2507.56 2507.77 But 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2506.71 2507.56 I still don't like it. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2505.64 2506.71 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2508.59 2510 Final view, Bob? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2509.63 2510.91 I don't have passionate feelings. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2510.44 2512.16 I wouldn't I think now probably. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2511.48 2511.81 Okay. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2515.21 2516.19 Mm let's take that out. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2523.19 2524.81 And this one comes out as well. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2525.48 2525.94 Yep. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2528.96 2532.06 Okay, so we want nothing. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2530.96 2533.15 Yeah, just cross those out. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2534.69 2535.27 There. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2535.91 2536.19 Didn't it? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2537.86 2538.05 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2540.86 2541.32 Right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2562.11 2562.38 Oops. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2563.48 2563.73 Right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2562.71 2563.48 We're there. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2566.27 2568.67 It was for something else, H. alpha detection. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2564.02 2566.27 So what were we looking at this page for anyway? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2563.55 2564.02 Excellent. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2567.01 2568.73 H. alpha detection. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2570.02 2571.25 Uh 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2572.57 2574.89 Broad band detections is in don't include. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2578.3 2578.94 It's a line. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2576.64 2578.3 But I wouldn't is H. alpha broad-brand? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2577.35 2579.17 Well H. L. was a line there really, isn't it. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2579.17 2580.08 So 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2580.98 2582 Whether you detect it 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2581.09 2583.9 Oh, so it would be a narrow band detection, a narrow band imaging detection. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2583.9 2585.63 Alright, good. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2582.73 2583.09 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2586.08 2587.23 I think so. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2584.67 2586.08 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2588.61 2591.01 H. alpha emitters are not 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2592.19 2593.92 a distinct class of source, I don't think. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2593.76 2594.63 No, they aren't. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2598.02 2598.38 Line. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 2602.07 2606.21 Just out of curiosity, this narrow and broad band, that that refers to the type of spectrogram that you have? 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 2609.14 2609.6 Yeah, okay. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 2606.21 2609.14 Like t on the type of filter or is it oh, okay. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2607.75 2609.19 Yeah, exactly that. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2609.19 2609.96 Yeah, exactly that. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2608.1 2608.37 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2608.25 2608.5 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2611.25 2617.08 But I guess if you're picking out a spectral feature, even with a broad band or narrow band then it's still a spectral feat feature. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2620.34 2621.51 What however you pick it out. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2619 2620.34 If you're picking out a line. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2620.02 2620.92 Yeah, okay. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2623.91 2624.09 Yep. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2625.86 2627.11 Line on its own. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2628.49 2630.86 I think there's gonna be a lot of those, which makes life simpler. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2631.87 2632.72 Okay, yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2634.96 2635.21 Right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2640.24 2641.97 Uh, this is another systems thing. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2642.51 2642.8 Yep. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2648.42 2650.96 Absorption profiles. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2650.96 2653.15 I think that I think the whole thing should actually be marked. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2658.71 2659.94 How far should we go? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2656.79 2658.71 Even this complex. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2657.17 2657.85 Okay. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2658.89 2659.35 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2661.2 2661.81 No. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2661.24 2662.97 Comple just absorption, per. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2664.38 2666.01 Um 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2668.47 2670.46 Yeah, absorption profiles I'll go for. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2670.46 2670.78 Why not. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2678.77 2679.46 Um 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2683.03 2686.54 Lyman alpha forest line blanketing or Lyman alpha forest line? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2688.05 2689.1 Yeah, take out the blanketing. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2696.17 2696.64 Has this 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2698.75 2699.61 Ah, right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2700.23 2701.22 Is it a system? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2701.83 2702.36 Yep. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2710.01 2710.57 Oh, is it? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2707.57 2710.01 V. L. B. A. is an instrument. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2710.97 2716.46 Yeah, V. L. B. I. is uh a net uh it's it's a V. L. B. I. is it's a technique. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2716.46 2717.72 It's not a yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2713.66 2714.38 But is it? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2711.83 2713.66 Is a network. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2716.45 2717.81 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2714.83 2716.45 Technique. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2717.81 2720.32 The network is an instrument though, isn't it. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2717.14 2717.77 Yes. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2719.27 2719.74 V. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2723.12 2725.44 The V. O. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2721.58 2723.12 What's it's called something else, isn't it? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2722.13 2722.43 It 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2727.99 2730.45 If it had an A. on the end, it would be the ne instrument. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2726.95 2727.99 V. L. B. A. . 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2723.57 2726.95 V. L. b very long baseline array. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2726.56 2727.71 It's E. V. N., isn't it? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2726.56 2727.72 Yeah, it's called a V. L. B. A. . 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2730.5 2731.52 This is 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2731.22 2731.74 Well it 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2735.01 2736.17 So do they mean the V. L. B. A. . 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2732.63 2735.01 V. L. B. I. network image. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2736.78 2737.7 Isn't all of 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2739.96 2741.71 This is an instrument if you have it all, isn't it? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2743.75 2746.46 Is it in it it's an intstru group instrument, not a research group. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2742.02 2743.75 European V. L. B. I. net. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2747.1 2748.58 Yes, 'cause it ta it takes an image. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2751.85 2755.67 Okay, let's oh, how much of modifiers are we putting in? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2748.58 2751.85 So Oh, but then a m research group could take an image. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2747.23 2747.78 I think so. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2747.56 2747.84 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2748.97 2749.26 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2749.35 2749.74 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2757.15 2758.09 But um 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2761.38 2761.86 But I don't 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2758.83 2761.38 It's only supposed to be proper names. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2761.98 2763.62 Which it is, uh I think. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2762.96 2766.4 Yeah, is that so this whole thing is an instrument, you say. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2766.13 2768.62 From one point six or from European? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2767.14 2768.07 That's what I think. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2768.32 2768.49 Oh. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2769.01 2782.72 Oh, I think it's uh um s s s starting with um Eu European I think. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2772.54 2773.9 Or just um V. L. B. A. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2782.76 2783.89 But s 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2781.6 2782.76 He's using capitals. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2783.53 2783.82 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2782.7 2783.53 Oh, I see, I see. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2785.08 2785.19 Okay. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2785.12 2787.11 So is this like it's a subset of the V. L. B. A. ? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2788.6 2790.39 Uh yes. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2790.66 2791.38 Uh-huh. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2791.72 2792.45 Just in Europe. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2792.87 2793.16 Right. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2795.17 2799.66 But it's actually Merlin and all the i um international logs in Europe, all 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2803.75 2803.96 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2800.87 2803.75 hooked up into one instrument basically. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2802.59 2802.75 Cool. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2804.14 2804.46 Okay. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2805.43 2805.63 Right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2809 2810.04 Oh. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2811.62 2813.17 That is a source name, you're right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2821.5 2822.84 That's just broad-band, isn't it? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2822.84 2824.2 Broad line emission. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2825.77 2826.67 Yeah, that's just 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2826.28 2827.51 So that shouldn't be marked. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2843.33 2843.43 M 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2838.46 2843.33 It's not ve it's not a m mod It's not an original system. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2835.34 2838.46 Radio-loud objects. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2843.62 2847.02 We say something about objects, and I think it's that we don't use it. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2842.05 2843.62 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2845.92 2849.17 Anything ending in object we don't include, yep. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2848.25 2848.6 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2849.07 2849.17 Ye 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2851.94 2853.27 So none of those. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2857.69 2857.84 Yep. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2861.89 2863.24 Now we've both marked line ratios here. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2863.59 2864.85 Yeah, but we shouldn't have done. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2869.28 2870.01 And that's the same. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2869.78 2870.53 So that's it, yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2874.96 2875.76 Continuum. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2875.52 2877.27 Yeah, that's fair enough. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2877.27 2880.14 It's certainly not a source name. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2880.6 2886.84 And there it's different, because you're talking about the ionizing continuum, which is a pre 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2884.51 2890.35 Yeah, that means that's a proc it's a process or it's a it's a type of photons, that's not the continuum you're looking at. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2889.2 2889.44 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2896.58 2897.94 I think you can point to line pairs. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2898.6 2899.31 Sure you can, yep. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2902.72 2904.17 And that shouldn't be in there. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2903.86 2904.17 Mm nope. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2906.28 2908.82 Neither should that. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2910.81 2911.7 Scribble away. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2907.88 2910.81 Yep. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2911.2 2911.64 Excellent. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2916.12 2918.84 That's all one big spectral feature. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2914.2 2916.12 You're right there. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2921.32 2923.8 And nebula shouldn't be marked. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2925.61 2926.43 Have we agreed on that? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2928.21 2928.93 What do we do back here? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2928.39 2933.7 We only agreed that so far we've only agreed that we can't include spectral features modifying nebula 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2933.7 2937.2 but I don't see yet where it's written down that you can't mark nebula. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2937.2 2937.49 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2934.42 2936.09 What did we do back here? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2936.09 2938.12 We did mark nebula, yes. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2942.79 2946.24 It was things that weren't distinct, like yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2947.56 2948.7 I think is why I wasn't doing it. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2945.33 2947.56 Yeah, but the see there's so many different kinds of nebula. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2945.51 2945.98 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2949.34 2951.02 Mm-hmm, yeah, it's a difficult one. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2951.02 2954.16 But if we're gonna stick to it, let's stick to it. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2953.63 2955.15 If we're going to have them, let's have them. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2952.95 2953.63 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2962.27 2962.58 The. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2960.2 2962.27 The? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2960.89 2961.47 What's different? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2962.53 2963.93 Oh, yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2963.93 2966.2 Um, don't mind. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2971.15 2972.12 And you're right there. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2965.06 2966.87 And I think we need the. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2966.87 2971.15 I think we would put stop putting the in, we could get confused. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2969.95 2970.47 Hmm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2970.53 2970.85 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2980.33 2980.8 You're right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2981.7 2982.01 There. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2983.16 2983.84 Source type. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2983.26 2983.86 Oh, yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2989.98 2991.17 Line blanketing. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2990 2992.43 Line blanketing, you think y 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2992.23 2993.69 Sh I no, I don't think I did I? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2995.07 2996.92 We had line blanketing just now and we included it. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 2996.92 2998.78 I think we sh um. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2995.55 2997.03 So that yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2997.03 2997.36 Did we? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2998.42 3001.96 I thought it was a process and that it it wasn't included. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 2997.83 2998.42 Did you? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 2998.99 2999.39 Ah 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3003.24 3003.9 Um 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3003.28 3003.97 Where was it? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3010.9 3012.17 No, it wasn't that far back. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3005.82 3007.63 We did just have it, don't know. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3007.63 3010.9 It wasn't that far back, was it? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3006.95 3007.36 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3010.29 3016.52 Don't think n Lyman f forest line blanket, we took blanketing out. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3014.13 3017.83 Line yeah, we took blanketing out, so I don't think that should be in. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3016.68 3017 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3022.84 3023.57 And that's all the same. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3023.6 3023.85 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3023.05 3023.6 Is that it? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3027.99 3030.94 Uh that's a source nine. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3032.23 3033.52 Yes. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3033.52 3034.06 Yes, it is. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3032.36 3032.63 Isn't it? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3033.81 3034.08 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3035.37 3036.74 Red and blue components. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3039.98 3041.53 I think you're right there as well. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3043.59 3044.45 Mm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3046.21 3047.25 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3047.25 3048.03 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3048.03 3048.59 I think I'm right. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3051.92 3052.28 Really? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3054.55 3056.64 Yeah, I think i in the same way that you can point to 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3058.6 3061.76 the soft X. rays or or the hard X. rays, you can point to the red and the 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3058.78 3059.65 Oh, yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3061.73 3069.23 Well I would argue about that,you see, because I think that I mean th that you only extract that after you actually model a sp spectrum, don't you? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3063.13 3063.31 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3070.5 3070.6 Hmm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3078.11 3078.99 So 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3071.03 3075.17 Mm the soft excess you can definitely point to on an X. ray thing. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3075.17 3078.11 You kn you know if there's one there or not, you could say that's that. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3080.25 3082.78 But, have a component though as such. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3079.77 3080.25 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3080.05 3082.21 You're saying you wouldn't know it was soft unless you'd 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3085.01 3085.67 I see what 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3084.03 3085.01 w oh yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3085.15 3086.64 But we're talking about the c the continuum though. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3086.64 3091.92 If you have a galaxy spectrum though, you can say there's the blue component, there's the red component to the spectrum. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3091.92 3095.83 Oh, I see what you mean, i like it comes from adding two different things together. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3090.68 3091.95 Yeah, g um c 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3095.67 3097.55 Yeah, that's that's what I'm thinking, that 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3096.44 3096.76 Mm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3098.5 3099.42 I can see that, yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3108.68 3109.45 Yeah, you think? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3102.24 3108.68 It's actually really um after you actually model the s a spectrum, not just actually looking at the spectrum. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3103.78 3105.05 But results from spectral. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3107.8 3108.34 Yes. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3109.43 3113.92 Give that for red and blue components, but I wouldn't probably give that for soft component. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3113.92 3118.45 Because a soft excess is a uh I mean that's an X. ray thing. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3118.45 3120.69 Like a break, you say oh look, there's 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3118.42 3118.54 Y 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3119.36 3124.1 But if it said red or blue excess rather than red or blue component, I guess the problem with 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3120.25 3120.76 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3122.72 3128.55 Yeah, but um component it is m means it's an element actually in the model though. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3125.84 3126.65 Mm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3127.8 3129.08 Yeah, I'd take out red and blue. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3126.65 3127.8 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3128.1 3128.82 Mm-hmm, okay. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3132.13 3132.87 Let's 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3135.41 3142.2 But it's such a basic sort of you look at a spectrum and you say that's a a soft excess, it's a soft 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3133.68 3135.41 Which means maybe we should take out soft. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3136 3137.21 Well uh 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3142.44 3143.93 The excesses, yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3143.93 3147.95 But um the component isn't. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3144.49 3144.96 It's just a t 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3143.45 3144.49 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3145.03 3151.81 If you modelled it with two parts, one that had a a ha a harder and softer spectrum Hubble in Hubble deep field south. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3147.91 3148.33 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3146.46 3147.21 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3147.21 3147.91 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3150.08 3151.47 That's probably true, yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3153.73 3157.09 Um Hubble and Hubble deep sent to us. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3160.88 3163.05 Although it does apply to the telescope. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3163.05 3164.97 But mm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3159.12 3160.88 I didn't include it. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3163.14 3163.44 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3161.73 3163.14 I think I would. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3162.73 3163.05 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3164.39 3164.78 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3166.13 3166.81 Let's keep it in. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3169.1 3170.68 So we sh should kill it. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3166.88 3169.1 So should w did we have a soft component earlier? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3168.19 3169.89 Yes. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3170.81 3171.4 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3169.89 3170.81 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3172.56 3173.22 Anyone remember when? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3173.95 3174.67 No. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3174.62 3174.71 I 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3175.99 3178.13 I think actually pretty early on I'd have thought 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3177.66 3178.6 Let's start at the beginning. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3178.26 3178.5 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3181.33 3181.73 There it is. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3181.64 3182.81 Oh. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3182.81 3183.59 Excellent. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3190 3190.91 Um 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3190.28 3190.53 Right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3192 3193.31 Hubble. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3192.07 3192.38 Alright. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3199.03 3200.91 No wait, the top one I think you should include. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3203.79 3205.47 Possibly with flux as well though. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3208.48 3209.52 Mm d yeah, okay. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3218.44 3220.14 Yeah, that's fine, I'm happy with all that. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3219.69 3222.46 And then yes, the whole thing. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3222 3222.28 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3240.47 3241.42 Um 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3232.53 3234.41 Well, I said radio galaxies. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3234.41 3240.47 Now what did we p we say about acronyms where part of it was useful? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3234.62 3235.52 Yeah, that counts. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3244.98 3247.8 Do we ha did we s make a decision about radio galaxies? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3247.8 3248.26 'Cause I think 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3249.52 3251.77 they are discussed as a separate source type, aren't they? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3253.82 3254.45 Where are they? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3254.68 3255.41 Um 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3255.32 3256.33 radio galaxies? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3256.58 3257.67 Uh only just 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3258.14 3258.26 i 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3259.83 3263.23 Interesting because on the hour it yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3261.79 3263.99 It hides that, yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3263.99 3264.86 Yeah, you're right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3268.07 3270.31 They are just red-shi but yes. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3270.31 3272.81 Wh what did we say about acronyms where 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3264 3268.07 But I don't think we should mark high red-shift in that. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3266.16 3266.56 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3267.59 3267.93 Yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3268.01 3268.18 No. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3269.77 3270.54 No it is yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3273.77 3275.01 Where part of it's useful. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3275.01 3277.14 I think you're supposed to mark the whole thing, aren't you? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3277.14 3278.01 Yeah, so you're right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3276.47 3277.31 Yes, I think you are. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 3277.03 3277.41 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3286.82 3287.84 Um 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3288.31 3290.84 Seyfert one point eight and one point nine galaxies 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3293.82 3296.46 It's a sub-classification of Seyfert's. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3296.46 3301.49 would make a s study Seyfert one point eights. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3301.49 3302.3 Oh do they? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3297.97 3302.6 You wouldn't say we're talking about yes. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3301.82 3304.67 I mean it's pretty s stupid, but they do. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3300.55 3301.82 Well people do though, don't they? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3307 3307.98 I think they probably are. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3308.15 3308.85 You're right, yeah. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3308.73 3309.92 Yeah, I think so. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3309.75 3310.32 Inseparate. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3310.32 3311.97 And it's just the and that annoys. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3310.16 3311.22 Yeah, that's fine. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3313.17 3314.75 Mission line feature we're gonna include. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3314.99 3315.3 Uh yep. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3320.89 3324.87 Yeah, galaxy and galaxy formation doesn't count. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3321.88 3324.29 Galaxy when it's a process. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3324.29 3324.82 Yes. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3327.19 3330.62 And yes, that counts. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3328.64 3330 Ah, now this is one 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3331.16 3335.19 where it should be this one, but what if you'd un if these are doubly underlined? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3335.19 3336.8 Has it just plotted the top colour? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3332.7 3333.51 But in 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 3338.61 3341.52 Oh, was it actually possible to doubly underline things? 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 3341.52 3342.14 Um 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3340.61 3340.97 Yes. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3340.84 3341.17 Yeah. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 3343.33 3345.09 I don't know wh which one it would display then. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3345.96 3353.47 Okay, because what we want here let's just mark what we want and mark that, but with also broad line 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3347.2 3348.39 Right, but I'm on the 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3352.55 3352.89 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3356.37 3357.13 I can't write. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 3357.27 3362.26 I I actually didn't know that it was possible to have these so you you you allowed these kind of embedded uh annotations? 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 3362.26 3362.94 Right, okay. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3359.81 3361.53 We changed it so that you could. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3361.53 3368.17 Yeah, because quite often uh an object class is defined by a spectral feature. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3361.3 3362.01 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3361.44 3361.77 Mm. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 3368.24 3369.09 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 3369.09 3369.45 Okay. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3369.48 3370.91 Like broad line radio galaxies. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 3370.51 3370.78 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3370.83 3371.05 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3373.14 3373.54 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3377.08 3379.38 Broader lines, I think. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3377.15 3380.09 Yeah, I don't think that should go in. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3387.26 3388.71 Don't mind. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3388.71 3389.37 Oh, up here. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3387.38 3390.8 List the wrong wrong colour for a few things. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3390.8 3391.51 Oh, it's all here. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3391.51 3392.69 Hyper-luminous galaxy. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3394.98 3399.66 If you're having ultra-loom this early on, then I think you have to have here. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3396 3396.49 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3397.11 3397.45 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3400.78 3402.26 This is just a colour issue. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3400.86 3401.49 Mm. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3403.25 3404.75 Or is it oh, right. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3402.85 3403.25 Is it? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3404.75 3407.38 And Q. S. O. is not yeah, you're right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3404.76 3404.85 Ye 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3408.1 3411.01 Yeah, they should all be and that one. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3409.36 3411.11 Yep. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3414.44 3418.13 I. S. M. . 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3418.13 3418.81 It's diffuse. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3420.36 3421.72 So it probably shouldn't be in there. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3426.12 3426.38 Is it? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3423.84 3426.12 The I. S. M. isn't a source type. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3426.14 3426.97 Oh. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3426.97 3427.35 No. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3427.46 3428.19 I don't think so. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3431.11 3432.3 I've forgotten. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3430.07 3431.11 What we doing about nebula again? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3432.79 3434.35 We're now including nebula, aren't we? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3434.27 3435.21 Okay. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3435.21 3435.41 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3439.03 3442.43 Mm what have we done, features. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3441.56 3442.17 Features. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3448.73 3452.88 Mm yep. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3449.39 3452.04 Flat spectrum radio quasars. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3458.08 3458.72 I think you're right there. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3456.76 3458.08 Strong drop in the continuum. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3459.28 3459.72 Okay. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3463.58 3463.74 Nope. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3464.05 3465.83 I think you're right again. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3465.83 3467.69 That's just the place. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3468.06 3468.23 Yep. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3473.74 3477.16 We aren't doing emission line objects. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3479.67 3483.27 Um we're not doing emission line when it's a modifier of objects, are we? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3483.27 3484.65 Oh no, we aren't doing that either, you're right. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3485.54 3489.67 The question is are emission line objects a separate class of source? 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3489.67 3490.54 I think they are. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3491 3493.65 Mm no. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3493.65 3494.33 They aren't, are they? 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3492.85 3496.25 But t y are you arguing not to have anything with object in it though? 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3495.8 3496.13 Yeah. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3497.11 3498.18 Yes, you're right. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3498.16 3499.5 So there goes 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3500.68 3501.52 So nothing. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3499.43 3500.68 Yeah, anything to do with objects. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3501.29 3505.06 And Seyfert galaxies w should be one, you're right there. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3504.43 3504.59 Yeah. 
EN2006a H02 FEE088 3508.92 3510.62 Yes. 
EN2006a H01 FEE087 3511.91 3512.91 I got three seventy. 
EN2006a H03 MEO086 3515.1 3516.78 That's pretty good, that's nearly a third. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3518.8 3520.95 And you s speed it up as well I think. 
EN2006a H00 MEE089 3520.95 3521.56 So 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 5.04 8.33 Smile for the camera. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 6.4 6.6 Yep. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 5.22 6.4 Great, thank you. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 5.49 8.44 Hello. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 7.05 7.45 Cheers. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 10.38 10.77 Right. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 13.4 15.92 I think there should be a break for and. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 15.92 19.62 But I think maybe that one should be underlined. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 12.04 13.4 Helium one. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 12.73 14.43 Mm mm hmm. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 14.95 15.87 Sorry, mm yep. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 15.02 16.19 It should be this one here. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 21.21 23.76 That's this is a bit of H. T. M. L. goo. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 18.75 21.21 Yeah, it's hard to know what that is. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 26.84 28.02 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 27.11 28.55 I think there should be a break for and. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 27.14 27.54 Helium. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 30.19 32.38 And they don't know what to do with the H. T. M. L. goo. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 33.88 35.7 M. B. D. A. presumably is lambda. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 34.36 37.28 But this this isn't a s yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 37.28 45.9 And this isn't a separate thing, so I w I would agree that you underline the you underline the goo in each case but not the and. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 45.9 46.1 Right? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 39.46 42.05 Uh yes, course, of course it is, yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 45.68 46.04 Yep. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 43.43 45.68 And the in that case. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 46.23 48.71 Do you reckon this stands for lambda or yeah, okay. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 47.66 48.19 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 47.86 48.24 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 51.09 52.28 Okay? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 51.61 51.83 Yep. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 58.17 60.71 Right, what's different? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 62.76 64.36 High excitation emission lines. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 60.71 62.76 Just this. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 59.56 61.9 Mm mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 66.5 68.09 Mm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 67.81 71.16 I think high excitation should be in because it's just saying 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 73 76.8 It's talking about the species that the emission lines are coming from. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 77.64 77.83 Yes. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 77.83 78.73 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 83.69 83.94 Okay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 87.32 88.4 Right, you don't get that. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 87.33 92.28 Living up in nebulosity. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 93.75 96.48 ESO, I don't think is an instrument. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 100.4 100.99 You're right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 97.32 100.4 ESO isn't an instrument. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 99.9 100.21 Okay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 111.56 111.79 Yep. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 108.52 111.56 We agreed for to keep hubble. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 111.49 113.59 To not yes, to keep hubble. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 113.59 116.62 Um for this that should be green as well. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 115.48 117.19 Yeah, that should be a source type, yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 119.95 120.22 It's 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 125.07 126.75 I don't yeah, I have no way of knowing, yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 122.05 125.07 Yeah, do you think that's part of the name, yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 122.15 125.66 Well it is the whole name yes, I get 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 130.9 131.1 Yep. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 125.53 130.9 Yeah, I think it all is yeah, I think it is all m one name. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 128.43 131.97 Absorption line systems shouldn't be there. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 131.97 133.33 Absorption line systems. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 131.08 131.33 Yep. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 135.84 136.75 And again. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 136.88 137.09 Yep. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 142.21 142.5 Right. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 147.76 153.85 Needs column densities, which is a derived property. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 154.32 156.34 Mm yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 155.82 161.74 Yeah, these are s s species ions again, not individual lines. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 156.19 156.85 But then 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 159 159.94 Yep, that's fine. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 159.34 159.76 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 164.8 166.7 And Lyman alpha cloud shouldn't be in there either. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 166.99 167.17 Nope. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 170.18 170.65 Right. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 174.99 182.24 For some reason I seem to have just died on this one. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 174.6 174.99 No. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 182.24 183.41 He got bored. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 181.51 183.25 Uh 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 176.29 181.51 I win. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 186.53 187.46 You're right there. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 187.8 188.17 Okay. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 188.68 195.97 I forgot to keep track of the overall score, like who wins and who lose. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 190.49 193.33 It's not a competition. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 193.33 194.22 Uh 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 194.15 196.25 Bottle of champagne. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 196.25 199.3 Um okay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 190.89 192.37 Yeah, I know. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 192.37 194.15 Is there a prize at the end? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 191.05 194.09 Yes. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 197.41 198.57 I've labelled that wrong. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 201.94 202.69 And here again. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 207.62 208.42 Yeah, and this one. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 208.82 211.46 Mm that's a spectral feature, that's okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 211.49 215.26 But is emission line A. G. N. a separate class from A. G. N. ? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 209.86 211.49 Um it is. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 216.39 217.07 Um 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 216.52 218.6 Ye 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 219.02 219.9 I think A. G. N. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 218.27 219.02 I don't think it is. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 221.84 224.24 Emission line A. G. N. . 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 224.24 226.24 You can get A. G. N. without emission lines. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 223.84 224.75 You wouldn't talk about 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 226.36 228.89 But I don't think you'd particularly class them as a separate source. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 228.89 231.04 A separate source class. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 237.43 240.09 The paper I pointed you to a few weeks ago or last week. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 232.8 237.43 I think in Phil's paper he does, doesn't he? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 233.97 234.68 Maybe you would. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 240.32 242.89 Mm, I didn't it, I just looked at the plu 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 244.01 248.91 I've seen people talk about them as separate classes, but I don't really know what that means. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 241.77 244.01 I didn't know what he meant, but yes. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 248.87 254.95 And I guess there is a difference between uh an A. G. N. with emission lines and one without, esp especially if it's X. ray detected. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 261.43 262.6 Um 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 254.95 261.43 So yeah, I'm happy with that as long as that's red as well, which it is. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 254.24 254.59 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 257.48 257.7 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 259.75 259.95 Yep. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 265.6 267.64 Oh. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 266.91 268.08 Oh, galactic stars. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 266.35 266.91 No. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 271.17 272.58 I think you're r you're right again there. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 274.52 275.2 Mm 'kay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 280.95 283.24 That's alright, yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 277.58 280.95 Yeah, that G. dwarfs are things, aren't they? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 277.79 280.5 G. dwarf. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 280.5 281.08 Presumably. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 281.08 284.31 Never met one, but don't know what it is. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 281.97 282.24 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 287.26 290.5 So 'cause our sun is a is a T. dwarf. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 283.99 287.26 Well it's one of them out um over here I think actually at the moment. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 290.58 292.18 There you go. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 289.43 290.58 Oh, is it? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 286.63 289.43 Right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 291.27 293.79 I saw it yesterday. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 293.79 297.52 Uh yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 294.5 295.52 And cluster, you're right. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 299.27 300.56 Absorption 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 299.29 299.85 There he is. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 301.75 304.95 By Lyman alpha forest and Lyman limit systems. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 305.51 306.81 So you're right there. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 303.45 305.51 But it's the same Lyman alpha forest systems again. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 308.42 309.07 Yeah, okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 310.51 312.77 Or there maybe there shouldn't be any yeah, I think should still be absorption. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 312.37 312.81 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 317.2 319.02 Radio loud quasar again. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 319.02 319.43 You're right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 319.05 320.14 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 324.99 328.27 Um why associated? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 321.97 324.99 Emission models, definitely not. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 335.51 337.5 Um what does it mean? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 326.25 335.51 I should definitely now we had a debate about this before, and I can't remember why I decided to mark associated. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 331.95 332.31 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 336.48 336.96 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 345.62 345.89 Does it? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 338.66 345.62 It means it's associated with some physical thing, but it doesn't have anything to do with the spectral features, I don't think. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 346.77 348.64 Uh 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 347.38 349.43 What is as associated absorption? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 350.88 352.41 Doesn't say it's associated with what. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 351.29 352.68 Well it's a process though, isn't it. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 356.9 357.68 Isn't it a process? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 359.09 360.35 I've got no idea what it means. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 357.92 359.09 I don't know. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 358.77 359.01 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 364.86 370.11 But associated means it's associated to some physical thing. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 370.11 370.97 So yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 360.95 364.86 I'm happy to say M. two what-not absorption is a spectral feature. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 370.97 371.7 So that shouldn't be in. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 364.42 364.94 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 364.55 364.88 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 369.59 370.15 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 370.15 371 I wouldn't have that. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 368.16 369.59 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 372.37 373.83 Right. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 370.31 370.82 Right, okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 370.82 372.37 So is that what it means in that c context? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 373.83 375.89 Um and associated again. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 374.36 374.66 Alright. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 376.19 376.44 Yep. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 385.37 386.69 Don't think. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 384.44 385.37 So they don't count. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 382.82 384.44 Those are mechanisms. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 383.71 384.78 Mechanisms. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 389.23 390.76 Um 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 393.89 394.97 Yep, I just missed it. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 393.92 394.42 Quasar. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 396.95 397.34 And that's it. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 397.3 401 And we should've s put emission line features, shouldn't we? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 400.35 401.47 Hmm? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 401.47 402.05 Yeah, we should do. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 403.77 405.77 But we're not supposed to mark things we've done differently. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 405.77 406.32 So 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 406.72 409.02 Yeah, we did that the same. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 409.02 410.88 But it's different from what we've been doing. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 410.86 413.44 We've just talked about n und underlining features. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 411.97 417.24 Well I think y bu y y you can actually mark it if it isn't altering what's in the manual. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 417.24 419.7 Uh um it's only altering earlier rules. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 418.61 418.85 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 421.03 422.9 Yeah, and it's not in the manual, is it? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 422.24 423.08 That aren't allowed. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 423.59 427.9 It doesn't say in the manual about features or not, but we d when we saw ones previously, we marked features. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 427.96 429.69 Yeah, then then do, I think. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 428.89 430.56 So let's do that. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 428.14 428.89 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 430.56 431.24 Extend. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 428.86 429.14 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 432.4 439.58 The only problem, it's done if we've both been not marking it, there might be other instances in the text where it's not marked. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 430.22 432.4 Um yes. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 431.52 431.79 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 436.53 436.89 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 440.35 443.94 Y yeah, yeah, but yeah. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 454.43 454.63 yeah. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 443.07 454.43 w within the sentence that you sort of currently looking at um feel free to correct it that way that you'll do you know like it's not only about resolution but it's sort of like coming up with a corrected version based on these 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 441.98 443.07 Well 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 447.96 448.41 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 454.25 454.69 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 453.29 454.25 Right, okay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 453.29 453.63 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 454.92 455.23 Okay. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 458.42 461.39 Have you do you've seen that there are the other one there, the quasar, right? 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 461.39 462.84 The uh right, sorry. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 461.88 466.65 Yes, we've got quasars. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 466.65 468.9 And this is exactly the same as last one. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 462.29 462.46 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 470.19 471.06 systems. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 471.23 471.78 Yep. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 473.81 475.86 I. M. galaxies. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 475.63 476.97 It's a kind of a regular galaxy? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 476.85 477.46 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 477.76 478.71 Okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 477.48 477.76 Is it? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 487.98 488.5 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 488.66 489.89 Just a p what are you doing there there, sorry? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 492.19 494.28 And absorption shouldn't be marked, yep. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 489.86 492.19 Hubble deep fields is being marked. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 493.38 494.18 Isn't remote. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 494.18 495.25 Yeah, fine. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 492.24 493.38 Yep. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 494.18 494.38 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 499.28 501.4 I don't think able cluster is different from cluster. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 501.4 503.48 Hmm. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 510.79 511.27 So yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 504.22 510.79 Um yeah, that's actually marked ex explicitly in here not to have A. bar clusters. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 505.5 508.09 An able cluster is just a a discover 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 509.25 510.45 Ri right. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 509.91 510.55 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 514.37 518.01 Soft excess. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 515.65 517.12 That definitely gets to go in. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 519.7 521.59 That's not a component. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 525.86 528.07 Yeah, we could come to blows over soft excess. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 521.59 525.86 I think. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 522.23 524.04 I agree, yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 520.72 522.23 No, I I'm I'm not arguing. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 523.29 523.78 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 521.26 523.29 Yep, okay, we can have soft excess. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 526.48 530.41 And yes, you're wrong 'cause that's you're right 'cause that's extended emission and Compton emission. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 530.84 531.16 Okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 531.79 532.87 I think you're right on both of them. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 533.97 534.3 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 535.94 537.04 Okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 544.49 554.02 Um X. ray B. L. X. and radio B. L. X. I think are because the B. L. within should be marked, So 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 552.5 552.99 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 554.03 554.79 That's fine. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 552.99 554.03 I agree. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 556.33 557.01 Do you want this one here? 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 557.4 557.63 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 557.61 557.83 No. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 562.4 562.95 No, okay. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 560.12 560.87 No? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 560.87 562.4 Conti continuum. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 561.4 562.83 No, for continuum. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 562.83 564.09 Um. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 561.48 562.27 No continuum. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 565.94 567.26 C. O. luminosity. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 571.09 573.25 I think that's a s species again. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 573.35 574.16 Yeah, that's fine. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 573.57 574.01 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 577.62 578.52 Oh it's still too hot. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 579.41 581.15 Uh I can agree with taking that out. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 584.66 585.31 Um 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 588.3 592.75 Intermediate is a region. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 600.55 601.83 'Cause it's a region, yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 594.24 600.55 That the so-called yeah, I don't think it should be, should it? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 595.36 598.17 It shouldn't be highlighted, you're right. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 603.8 609.56 It's the same, it's just it's not very clear before the so-called 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 599.79 603.8 Because if if we talk about the broad line region, we're not supposed to highlight it. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 603.62 603.83 Yep. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 605.55 607.08 Yeah, it's badly written. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 611.54 612.64 Infrared galaxies. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 612.64 615.48 We said not to mark things based solely on 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 613.05 613.94 Um 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 618.17 619.87 So it's just defined only by wave-length. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 619.87 621.55 So we can't include infrared galaxies. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 621.38 622.38 Yeah, just galaxies. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 625.71 626.46 And 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 629.44 630.03 Yes, they do. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 628.17 629.44 Star bursts. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 628.21 630.51 star bursts count, surely. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 632.5 633.23 Oh. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 633.23 637.99 Yes, assuming you're talking about star burst galaxies rather than star burst within a galaxy. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 637.99 639.45 But they are talking about star burst galaxies. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 637.91 639.73 Mm yes, yeah, they are. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 643.5 644.17 And galaxies. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 644.13 644.79 Galaxies. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 648.42 650.74 Mm continua or continuum flux. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 648.86 649.41 Mm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 656.41 657.16 But what did we decide? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 652.44 656.41 It's another one of those that doesn't really make a big difference. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 659.56 661.89 But I don't care. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 661.89 662.97 Yep, okay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 654.12 656.42 It doesn't really matter. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 656.42 659.56 I'd say continuum flux but I don't Obviously. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 659.36 662.57 Let's keep flux in because it in most of these cases we've put flux in. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 661.99 663.24 Yeah, I think you have. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 664.83 666.81 And the same as feature. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 665.94 666.42 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 668.8 672.99 Mm no, I'm happy to take that out. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 672.99 675.54 Oh. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 668.82 669.79 Broad line. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 672.01 672.99 I was gonna say put it in. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 672.99 679.17 Um The lack of broad line polarization. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 679.17 683.2 Broad line polarization, is that a spectral feature? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 683.2 685.06 I think you'd want the whole thing in some extent. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 686.62 691.4 Mm no you can't point to it. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 688.05 690 Ts you can't get it just from a spectrum. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 692.04 695.81 But you can if you've got a spectrum that's split by polarized light. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 694.63 695.09 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 696.6 698.03 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 698.03 702.83 Well n I think I would actually leave it um with only th on those 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 697.22 697.55 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 701.59 702.25 As it is. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 705.3 706.38 Br broad l 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 710.76 712.77 Um because I think that's s what you have been doing earlier on. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 709.64 710.76 Line in it. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 711.39 712.79 Polarization's a property. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 712.79 713.83 Yes, okay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 713.79 714.03 Okay. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 714.37 715.85 Yeah? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 715.85 716.08 Yeah? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 716.2 716.7 Yep. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 716.86 718.6 Okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 723.21 723.91 Or is it cut off? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 721.03 723.21 Have you got the bottom of this page? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 718.98 721.03 Now I d don't know what was marked here. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 721.65 722.15 Mm. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 723.24 723.83 No. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 723.66 724.41 Oops, no. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 723.96 732.75 Uh we're missing weak weak line. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 744.54 745.07 This should be green. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 733.22 735.06 No. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 735.06 737.8 I said that weak line was. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 741.39 744.54 Even though we claim radio galaxies i this should be underlined. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 737.8 741.39 Because the modifier should be included, which I think it should. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 746.47 747.32 Okay, yeah. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 754.96 756.85 Characterised by unusually 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 754.12 754.96 Yeah. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 746.64 754.12 Or actu actually sorry, I think um the um this cut up page continues in the next side. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 752.77 754.93 Are we the same on the bottom line? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 751.91 752.77 Oh right, okay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 752.42 752.71 Okay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 755.13 755.37 Right. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 756.25 760.86 Okay, so the question is oh no, it's different. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 764.3 766.64 Line comes out and and should come out as well. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 760.86 764.3 Oh I've got line, that's fine. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 759.25 760.38 Oh. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 760.38 761.87 Yeah no, you've got line in there. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 759.58 760.08 No, is it? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 761.34 763.78 The difference only weak line, isn't it? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 763.66 763.85 M 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 767.18 768.07 And should come out. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 768.56 769.63 Oh yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 769.63 770.74 There's a line there as well. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 770.74 771.3 It's different. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 769.48 771.95 So there's a right but I think weak line should be in. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 771.46 771.89 Hmm. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 772.82 774.41 And an and. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 774.41 775.03 Different as well. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 773.77 774.35 Okay, mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 774.58 776.6 Bec i in the same way that if you had broad line it would be in there. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 775.12 775.3 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 776.31 777.33 Yep, that's okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 780.16 780.42 Right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 783.02 786.92 Galactic black hole candidates. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 789.37 791.29 They just made that up. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 791.29 795.91 That's yeah, exactly. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 795.91 797.21 That's not a source type. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 790.31 794.72 Yes. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 790.75 793.38 Yeah. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 792.26 793.36 And give it an acronym. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 793.36 795.96 G. B. H. C., ooh. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 796.96 798.6 Yeah, I don't think that's a source type. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 797.79 798.56 Mm okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 808.51 809.72 Um line again. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 811.82 813.02 Mm mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 814.98 816.02 That's fine. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 817.67 818.85 That's right again. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 818.85 819.35 Oh no, is it? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 813 814.98 But we've got emission line in the ratios. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 819.35 820.06 No, it's wrong. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 820.06 820.3 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 816.02 817.67 Infrared galaxies. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 817.46 817.75 Yep. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 820.44 820.64 Right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 819.14 820.44 No, it's not right. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 822.49 822.82 I'll get this. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 826.89 830.12 Uh line emitting gas I don't like, yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 827.72 828.11 Line. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 833.54 835.45 Far infrared galaxies we can't have. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 838.01 840.78 And that's it. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 838.43 839.29 That's okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 842.6 846.45 Making emission feature, which we're including now. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 845.45 846.84 Yeah, that's okay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 851.06 852.24 Emission feature. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 850.16 851.06 Right, yep. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 848.26 850.16 Damped Lyman alpha absorption the same. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 852.77 853.28 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 855.24 857.38 Yeah, that can't be in. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 855.82 857.27 Star forming galaxies 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 860.54 862.59 Star forming galaxies should be in. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 858.55 860.54 No, we can't. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 859.12 859.25 Yep. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 866.27 867.43 Yep, that should be in. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 863.53 866.27 Uh yes, it should be. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 866.44 866.94 So 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 865.19 866.44 That's we did earlier anyway. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 875.05 875.97 It's something. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 867.27 870.9 Proto-galactic lump. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 875.97 877.06 Emission feature again. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 870.9 874.02 W Not gonna get away with that one. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 866.37 867.27 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 874.02 875.05 It's a lump. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 868.98 870.93 No, they just made that up as well. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 870.93 871.46 No. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 869.43 870.99 That is not a source type. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 872.53 877.13 What were you thinking? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 878.42 880.12 Dibulae absorption. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 877.13 878.42 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 878.94 879.54 Damp Lyman 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 881.1 884.66 That should be because it's not an absorber, it's an absorption. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 884.66 886 Oh, covers, yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 886.67 887.51 It's a physical thing. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 883.7 886.67 No, but it says it covers a significantly small angular size. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 884.5 885.41 That's a process though. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 887.53 889.44 Yeah, it's a process or a source. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 892.4 892.74 I'm sorry. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 893.01 895.96 Yeah, you cross 'em out. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 895.96 896.5 Features. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 893.83 894.89 get this out of the way. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 901.11 901.73 Yeah, okay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 896.62 898.51 Yep. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 898.51 901.11 Uh this feature. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 899.24 900.02 A feature again. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 907.98 909.29 damped Lyman alphas again. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 904.36 907.98 Is a feature a spectral feature. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 909.64 910.64 Yeah, you don't get that. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 905.84 909.64 Alpha. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 910.64 911.34 Do you? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 912.83 916.53 Those are those are regions, globs, nebulae. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 915.51 915.79 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 919.97 922.4 after and the rest is the same. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 922.24 923.79 Yep. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 925.47 926.58 Now a line should be in. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 926.64 926.88 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 933.3 934.39 X. ray B. L. . 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 934.96 936 Yep, that's okay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 933.44 934.96 X. ray B. L. lax. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 938.71 939.55 Intermediate. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 940.01 940.68 It now if we're d 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 938.76 940.01 Intermediate types. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 944.05 945.3 Yes, I think it should be in. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 940.9 944.05 We put in type type one point nine. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 942.72 943.5 Did we in the end? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 943.5 944.36 Yeah? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 945.27 945.93 You get it then. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 944.36 945.27 Oh right. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 943.8 944.4 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 951.89 954.16 That doesn't go in and that's okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 955.39 957.23 Oh gosh, this looks complicated. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 954.64 955.39 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 957.23 959.33 Oh it's just it's Lyman alpha absorption. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 957.95 959.36 We don't like systems. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 955.45 957.95 Right, that's okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 962.8 963.93 And we don't like that one. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 967.27 968.42 And we don't like that one. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 975.44 976.26 Yeah, that's okay. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 980.66 981.23 Well hang on though. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 981.23 987.13 But wasn't there one just a minute ago in which only had a line? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 989.66 990.78 So we ha yes. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 987.36 989.66 Yes we are taking out line on its own. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 989.41 989.57 Are we? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 990.9 991.79 But you just 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 991.36 992.01 Okay, yep. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 993.42 994.3 Every time 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 997.8 998.53 So 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 994.95 997.8 Keeping lines there. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 997.45 1003.96 Yes, I think we have to take in general every time there's been line where's there been line? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 998.96 999.77 What line are we taking out? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1010.79 1013.84 Have we had any just where it says line ratios? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1007.1 1010.79 Okay, it's line width, but it's st it's still where it says lines. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1007.41 1008.8 Line width, yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1012.54 1013.8 Line ratios. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1013.8 1016.28 We've been taking out line as a 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1017 1017.53 Mm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1018.52 1020.82 word that relates to other words. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1020.82 1022.61 My head is going yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1025.33 1026.44 Yeah, that's okay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1022.61 1025.33 But lines are still lines. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1020.94 1022.87 Uh yes. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1020.2 1020.94 Adjective. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1026.96 1027.83 Yeah, okay, fine. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1025.97 1026.96 Okay. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1024.43 1025.97 Okay, okay. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1022.87 1024.43 Right. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1025.36 1025.76 Hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1025.43 1026.8 Yes, I think you're right. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1027 1027.43 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1032.2 1035.42 Right, I agree that that can go out 'cause that's a fitting thing. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1040.27 1041.28 We want the whole thing in there. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1040.14 1040.27 No. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1041.22 1043.7 Absorption features in the U. V. spectra. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1046.49 1051.15 But if it's a wave length or a wave band we were putting it in. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1043.85 1044.82 Or in the U. V. . 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1044.82 1046.49 I don't think spectrum should be there. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1051.03 1051.42 Okay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1053.25 1057.55 It's likely one spectrum in the U. V. which you can see absorption features in. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1057.55 1059.25 Uh Right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1059.25 1060.01 Quasars quasars. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1053.33 1053.76 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1057.3 1057.96 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1063.63 1064.7 Uh-huh. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1064.7 1066.58 Yeah, I'm right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1066.58 1068.04 And here I think I'm right again. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1064.42 1065.06 Yep, you're right. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1074.15 1076.13 In fact the whole thing should be highlighted, I think. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1069.46 1071.1 Line centre you can point to. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1071.1 1074.15 Not like line width, but you can point to line centre. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1076.95 1077.84 Line centre. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1078.95 1080.08 You can point to the line wings. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1079.32 1081.09 Yeah, you'd you'd say line wings. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1081.09 1081.82 Alright, you get it. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1088.13 1089.26 Mm that's just a 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1088.8 1090.5 Right, you win. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1090.5 1093.18 Um eclipsing I don't think. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1092.8 1093.91 Yep, no that shouldn't be in there. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1098.66 1099.78 Yeah, you're right there. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1105.35 1112.15 Oh, star burst active star burst like activity, that's I don't think that's a class. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1102.89 1105.35 Mm you're right, star burst. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1113.44 1115.14 It's a action. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1114.85 1117.36 Y yeah, but then the A. G. N. like activity. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1118.84 1120.13 That has to go as well then, surely. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1117.26 1118.84 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1118.75 1121.33 But A. g but a an A. an A. G. N. is a class. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1121.49 1122.65 A star burst is a class. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1119.49 1121.49 So both of them have to go. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1121.86 1122.97 A star burst is a class. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1123.39 1126.48 A star burst is a type of galaxy, but it's also something that can happen within a galaxy. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1126.48 1126.8 It's 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1126.38 1127.26 As is an A. G. N. . 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1126.39 1127.28 An A. G. N. . 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1129.83 1132.52 The star burst, you can't say here is a star burst. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1128.83 1129.83 But an A. G. N. is an object. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1131.33 1134.25 But we're counting star bursts as star burst galaxies. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1136.39 1139.69 If this means star burst galaxy like activity, then that's fair enough. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1134.22 1136.39 can't star burst if it means galaxy. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1139.43 1142.48 No, but a star burst galaxy is only a galaxy which has a star burst in it. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1142.48 1147.32 Like an A. G. an active galaxy is just a galaxy with an A. G. N. in it. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1148.08 1149.96 But star burst refers to 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1152.99 1153.52 Mm. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1159.93 1165.66 then I think it sh it should stay in in this case, even though it's modified by activity, or it's it's m modifying activity actually. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1154.04 1159.93 Wait, fr from the linguistic side, if you if you mark star burst before and if you feel that star bursts are like objects,
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1155 1156.68 I can see that. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1161.83 1162.28 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1162.34 1162.46 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1179.6 1180.34 Okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1165.95 1166.65 Let's keep it in. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1169.15 1170.79 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1182.69 1184.87 I think there should be w H. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1176.15 1179.6 Yes, that's right, but star burst is different. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1165.65 1165.95 Okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1180.34 1182.69 Um we've just got this split up. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1170.79 1174.31 Yes, I think it was ma maybe if it was star forming like activity, that would be different. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1166.65 1169.15 I I think you're right anyway. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1174.31 1176.15 But yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1166.45 1167.33 I think they're the same. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1167.33 1170.35 They either have to both stay or both go, and I I think they should stay. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1168.43 1169.28 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1169.28 1170.8 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1170.8 1171.05 Okay. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1170.66 1170.89 Hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1173.7 1174.74 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1174.74 1176.18 Star formation we weren't putting in. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1184.43 1184.81 That 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1186.58 1187.5 You're right, it's two. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1194.69 1195.05 Okay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1194.23 1194.69 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1193.68 1194.23 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1192.81 1193.68 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1189.88 1192.81 Or was it's a wave-length region. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1190.83 1194.19 It's a wave length region, but it's tilt but you're saying between that line and that line. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1197.2 1200.92 I'm right here. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1200.92 1202.08 That's part of a name, yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1197.51 1198.24 Um 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1201.65 1202.33 That's all part of the name. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1200.96 1201.65 You are, yes. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1205.04 1205.9 Line ratios? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1206.33 1206.95 Mm 'kay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1213.73 1214.91 But galaxies should be in. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1209.47 1211.99 Infrared galaxies. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1211.99 1213.73 This time you have it. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1212.35 1213.42 But galaxy should be in. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1215.03 1215.97 So we need to write that. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1218.24 1219.5 Right. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1223.11 1224.68 Um hold on. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1224.98 1226.61 Uh oh, what have we done? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1226.72 1227.47 Oh no, they are the same. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1227.47 1228.08 Sorry, I missed that. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1230.22 1232.52 Absorption line systems. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1235.79 1237.3 And galaxy. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1232.52 1234.03 Hubble. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1234.03 1235.79 And hubble. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1232.22 1232.44 Hubble. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1237.38 1240.65 Yeah, ok i in the galaxy distribution. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1238.76 1239.86 Galaxy distribution. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1241.56 1242.97 Still the distribution of galaxies. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1242.77 1243.3 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1243.3 1243.86 Yeah, okay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1246.01 1246.55 Mm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1250.43 1252.41 Yes. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1247.67 1250.43 Um high ionization lines? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1250.05 1251.23 Yeah, we did it before. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1255.29 1256.01 Yeah, that's okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1256.26 1256.82 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1257.9 1258.46 Oh. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1259.58 1260.14 Yeah, okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1265.11 1266.32 Open that radius button. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1265.19 1267.75 We weren't doing spectral shapes, were we? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1268.4 1270.16 Yes, don't include Platt's spectrum. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1274.56 1275.2 Quasars. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1275.64 1276.85 Yeah, that counts. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1281.04 1282.04 Low ionization. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1282.04 1285.83 Mm but three should be in. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1286.78 1287.38 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1288.24 1292.71 Um low ionization, th they're low BALs, aren't they? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1296.78 1297.06 Okay. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1291.24 1296.78 Um are they uh if you say so. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1291.32 1291.87 Well 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1294.77 1296.54 Low BAL is a separate class of source. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1297.11 1298.09 Yeah, that's true. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1299.01 1301.58 Um, I I don't know if high BALs are, but low BALs are. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1299.35 1299.82 That counts. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1304.67 1305.46 High balls. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1305.46 1307.22 Uh yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1301.56 1304.67 They are and it's a big joke. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1302.15 1302.44 Okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1305.84 1306.11 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1304.4 1305.84 Oh right, yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1309.07 1313.13 Um next. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1316.33 1317.32 I shouldn't you're right there. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1317.61 1317.85 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1330.41 1331.1 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1325.98 1330.41 That means objects that are identified and maybe at a particular red shift based on it. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1331.1 1331.89 That doesn't count. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1324.18 1325.98 Yeah, that doesn't go in. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1324.42 1326.02 Emission line candidates. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1327.87 1329.2 Yes, you're right. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1332.58 1335.83 Continuum I think should be in, aren't they? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1335.83 1339.43 Although I was talking about conti yeah, continuum luminosity continuum flux, it should be in. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1336.21 1338.03 Mm continuum luminosities. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1339.84 1341.09 Well you haven't been earlier, have you? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1341.73 1344.11 I thought we had, we'd put in 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1345.06 1346.46 I don't remember about luminosities. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1346.46 1348.48 We've been putting in continuum flux. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1345.29 1345.99 I don't think you were. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1345.99 1346.55 Uh 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1349.31 1350.06 Oh okay. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1350.06 1350.32 Okay. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1348.82 1349.31 Have you? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1349.56 1349.85 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1349.75 1350.1 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1353.78 1357.25 Yeah, we weren't doing broad band detections. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1357.25 1358.2 We were doing yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1363.1 1363.55 Mm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1364.28 1365.22 This is nice tea. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1367.62 1369.69 Oh. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1366.03 1367.62 Mine too. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1369.77 1371.04 Now what were we doing if 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1371.19 1374.63 Radio loud quasar should be in, Z. equals two shouldn't. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1374.63 1377.13 The rule was to leave it in, was it? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1372.9 1373.18 It 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1374.45 1375.61 And what were we doing 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1378.28 1378.97 Um 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1380.79 1386.79 I don't know, 'cause you in language speak, mark each as a separate entity. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1386.79 1387.85 That's different. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1388.33 1390.26 Yeah, that's for things marked with and. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1396.13 1396.84 Doesn't really say. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1393.19 1396.13 Mark sub-sections of entities t no, that's different. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1396.68 1397.32 Yeah, it doesn't say. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1398.97 1400.71 So we need a rule for that. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1408.31 1411.2 Is is goo again or is it really Z. equals two? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1408.32 1408.89 What have we done t 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1411.54 1412.2 Z. equals two. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1411.81 1415.64 Z. equals two is um means at a certain distance. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1420.36 1423.45 So it's whether to include the Z. equals two in the 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1415.64 1420.36 Um so that shouldn't be in, but radio loud quasars is a thing. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1415 1415.3 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1419.9 1420.3 Alright. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1423.53 1423.86 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1426.8 1429.45 If it was radio-loud quasar, then you would mark it as one thing? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1429.27 1429.48 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1429.47 1430 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1429.51 1430.09 Yeah. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1434.98 1436.03 I don't know what you feel. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1431.51 1434.98 I I think it makes sense to um mark the whole thing then as one. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1436.03 1436.42 But 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1434.47 1434.59 Oh. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1434.64 1435.37 As one, okay. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1435.75 1436.04 Okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1439.67 1445.2 Y Um yes, take it out. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1437.47 1439.67 Let's whatever's easiest for you. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1445.2 1445.8 ,1 isn't it? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1445.8 1447.26 The spectral components. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1440.85 1441.49 No. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1446.04 1446.22 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1447.33 1447.58 No. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1450.06 1451.26 X. ray binaries. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1452.84 1453.24 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1455.11 1456.04 Hubble deep field again. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1456.47 1456.93 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1459.32 1461.68 Mm no, we can't have that. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1459.39 1462.26 Emission line objects shouldn't be in either of them. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1463.64 1463.92 Yep. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1466.61 1470.97 Radio quiet quasar should be go mm 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1468.99 1470.63 A source type. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1473.19 1473.4 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1473.27 1473.82 I think that's right. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1480.35 1482.81 And you're right because one's line formation and one's line profile. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1477.26 1480.35 Now you've done one and not the other. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1477.77 1479.07 Oh. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1487.16 1488.99 Um right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1482.98 1487.16 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1487.59 1488.53 I. G. M. I've done again. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1494.01 1494.85 This is nice and easy. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1496.86 1499.15 Yes. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1499.15 1500.51 Um yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1500.87 1502.12 Components. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1503.5 1504.36 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1504.52 1505.11 Um 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1506.45 1507.99 We can rid of that, can't we? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1508.97 1509.63 I think so. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1508.36 1508.97 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1511.16 1511.98 But we want the line still. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1509.31 1511.16 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1520.67 1521.93 Given that it is the galaxy. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1518.76 1520.67 The galaxy or galaxy? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1518.85 1520.68 Galaxy with the galaxy. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1524.18 1526.32 It should be the galaxy, I guess. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1526.32 1529.08 Insert proper whatever the word is. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1525.06 1526.38 It should be the galaxy, yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1537.73 1538.63 Huh? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1538.63 1539.98 Do you know what H. V. C. stands for? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1531.21 1533.79 H. V. C. complexes. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1533.79 1537.73 I don't know what H. V. C. stands for, but since they're complexes we can cross it out. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1538.67 1540.76 H. V. C., is it this? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1539.63 1540.13 Uh 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1542.83 1545.26 Known to lie in the direction of high velocity clouds. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1545.81 1546.49 They shouldn't be in there. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1545.26 1545.81 That's where they are. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1543 1543.28 No. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1546.55 1546.8 There. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1545.28 1546.55 High velocity clouds. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1546.8 1547.55 That's right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1545.32 1546.31 Yeah, that doesn't count. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1549.06 1551.19 Yes, but they don't explain. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1551.19 1552.34 I. C. M. . 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1552.35 1552.94 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1554.87 1555.42 Scuba. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1555.19 1557.39 Scuba, that's an instrument. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1559.74 1561.1 Sometimes anyway when it works. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1564.27 1567.47 Should be this and it probably is, that's probably what that means. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1562.17 1564.27 You're right there. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1563.67 1564.36 Um 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1566.94 1569.69 No, but no, you're right, and this should be red as well. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1571.43 1572.73 Narrow line A. G. N. are different. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1569.69 1571.43 It should all be. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1571.05 1571.41 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1570.36 1571.05 Oh, I see. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1574.3 1575.32 I missed out that. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1575.2 1575.48 Right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1577.23 1580.33 Beta line. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1581.62 1581.89 So 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1578.11 1581.62 H. beta l width. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1598.42 1600.53 I don't think that matters very much. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1600.26 1602.06 Just keep H. beta, I think. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1604 1605.5 Even line if it is line width. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1602.06 1604 Given that we're not putting line width itself. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1603.77 1604.13 Okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1610.11 1611.1 You can have flux. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1611.27 1612.13 Hurray. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1628.21 1632.18 Um oh, beta, yep. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1630.31 1631.32 H. beta should be in. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1637.65 1638.15 Mm no. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1638.4 1640.23 Not that line, but we want enhanced. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1640.98 1641.27 Do we? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1641.69 1642.16 Why? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1641.8 1649.85 We we wanted, and this is relative, we wanted modifiers of modifiers of spectral lines, E. G. weak broad lines. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1650.45 1651.84 But enhanced relative to what? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1653.28 1656.3 I weak w relative to what though? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1656.3 1658.73 It's all relative, but it's still a modifier of that line. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1660.18 1660.49 Okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1664.85 1665.46 And the same 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1665.05 1668.98 Um so sorry, and the the A. G. N., I think that should be one entity, right? 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1668.98 1674.24 The the uh w wasn't it that according to the uh acronym rule, the first one? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1674.66 1675.29 Um 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1676.47 1677.42 Y yes, that's right. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1679.36 1680.29 Mark the la la. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1681.89 1682.57 One acronym. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1680.29 1681.89 Mark the whole string as one entity. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1687.65 1690.75 Oh, it's included beside mark it all as one entity, yes. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1685.48 1687.65 Oh, but the second one. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1682.73 1685.48 No, only when it's embedded. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1682.96 1684.48 But when yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1689.16 1690.35 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1690.35 1691.33 Yeah, that's right. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1691.33 1691.58 Uh 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1690.73 1690.98 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1690.98 1693.14 Oh, I don't think I was doing that. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1698.8 1700.54 Yes, I don't know how many times I've missed the. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1700.69 1702.25 Yeah, I've missed that a lot. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1701 1702.39 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 1702.39 1702.59 Mm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1704.27 1710.61 Um weak emission I think should be in there. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1712.23 1712.99 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1712.99 1713.44 Okay. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1715.49 1715.85 Really? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1717.71 1718.79 Mm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1718.79 1720.43 If we're including it, emission 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1718.92 1719.61 If it was 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1722.25 1722.36 N 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1721.76 1722.25 Are you? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1721.81 1722.13 Um 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1728.84 1729.33 So 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1726.8 1728.84 We we've not been including extended emission. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1723.87 1726.8 Oh yeah, extended emission is extended. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1727.75 1728.32 No. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1728.81 1731.29 No, that's true, so we shouldn't have done either of those. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1731.29 1736.7 But then weak yeah, okay, nothing at all. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1730.36 1730.7 No. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1730.67 1730.98 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1735.55 1736.22 Done. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1732.12 1735.55 Weak emission levels is just a way of saying yeah, I agree. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1732.13 1733.12 Nor weak emission then. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1734.55 1734.87 No. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1741.78 1744.56 Star burst contribution. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1744.98 1747.32 That's not a separate source. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1746.09 1747.53 Yeah, that's true. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1751.08 1751.28 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1750.71 1751.08 Sorry. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1750.27 1750.71 Oh yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1752.76 1754.03 Red continuum should be in. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1752.96 1754.89 Red continuum. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1754.89 1755.63 Okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1756.08 1758.73 Broad line emission and the rest frame U. V. should all be one. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1758.95 1759.31 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1765.65 1766.91 Yeah, that should be out. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1766 1767.33 You're right, yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1768.14 1768.76 No, it shouldn't. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1767.33 1768.14 Oh. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1769.71 1771.31 We weren't doing components. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1771.31 1772 So 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1770.76 1771.22 No. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1771.3 1772.76 Oh yes, sorry, you're right. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1772.53 1772.74 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1776.07 1777.31 Lines. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1776.12 1779 Yeah, this is this a radio transfer thing. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1779 1782.5 So they don't mean they mean photons in the lines escape. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1784.53 1786.55 Not that that's not something you can point to. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1786.55 1787.4 I don't think that counts. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1787.16 1787.82 Yes, that's true. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1793.52 1797.59 Associated again, which means nothing. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1797.59 1799.53 Continuum source shouldn't be in. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1796.25 1797.23 Mm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1799.7 1800.3 Uh-uh. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1801.78 1802.87 And associated shouldn't be in. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1808.8 1809.9 What does it stand for? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1805.56 1808.8 C. T. I. I. O. . 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1806.89 1811.44 Mm that should be oh wait, is that s that's an observatory, isn't it? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1811.44 1816.73 The C. T. is the C. T. I. O. four metre uh the name of that telescope? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1810.37 1811.21 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1815.32 1816.34 That is a separate thing. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1817.37 1821.34 Um m uh y ye well, I don't know. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1819.25 1820.47 No. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1821.03 1821.67 Y yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1824.4 1824.86 So 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1821.82 1824.4 And the A. A. T. is an observatory as well, isn't it? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1823.52 1824.1 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1824.1 1824.39 But 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1824.55 1829.76 Yes, but it's also a telescope, and I think he if there's no other way of describing it, that telescope 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1832.4 1835.33 The C. T. I. O. four metre telescope is must be what it's called. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1835.33 1836.37 Otherwise they'd call it a name. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1838.1 1839.82 That's the actually usually. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1839.82 1842.43 But anyway. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1842.43 1843.38 I don't mind. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1837.71 1838.1 Hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1839.8 1839.95 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1841.72 1842.46 Um 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1843.27 1844.85 But we if we put 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1844.64 1846.78 We're including observatory if it refers 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1849.06 1851.01 If it's part of the proper name of an instrument. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1850.46 1850.67 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1851.1 1851.6 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1851.6 1853.92 I gue I guess keep it then. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1853.92 1855.17 Yeah, I think so. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1852.26 1853.93 But then we have to include four metre as well. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1854.48 1856.59 Yes, up the telescope? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1856.59 1857.41 No, just four metre. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1857.05 1857.47 No. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1857.47 1857.71 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1859.64 1860.05 Right. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1864.43 1865.42 Ion shouldn't be in there. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1864.84 1866.37 Yep, I agree. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1866.37 1866.6 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1868.03 1869.51 Iron and absorption. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1867.1 1868.03 Oh no, it should. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1869.51 1873.27 Is it contamination from blended iron and absorption lines? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1873.27 1873.9 No, it's not. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1873.78 1875.73 What is that comma doing there? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1882.33 1884.03 What they mean is blended iron lines. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1878.53 1882.33 Accounting for galactic reddening contamination from blended iron. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1875.73 1878.53 Yeah, no oh, I see, I see, I see, yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1875.99 1877.02 It's no, it's not. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1877.02 1878.35 I if the comma wasn't there, it would be in. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1887.22 1887.47 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1885.67 1887.22 Yes, you do mean ion lines. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1882.96 1885.67 Blended ion lines, yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1884.31 1885.29 So they do mean iron line. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1885.29 1886.84 So so it should be in. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1885.84 1886.15 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1888.52 1890.78 And we're keeping line in 'cause its strengths, yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1892.23 1894.91 Continuum flux we should have all in. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1892.47 1896.78 Continuum fluxes, yeah, we're doing that, yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1905.7 1909.09 Uh yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1901.44 1905.7 No. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1909.09 1911.17 Damped Lyman alpha Q. S. O. . 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1906.12 1907.37 Um 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1905.6 1906.12 Least it's quick. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1902.88 1905.6 There're gonna be hundreds of those. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1902.3 1902.88 G oh. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1911.64 1913.69 I don't think that's a separate class of quasar. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1913.69 1916.23 But then I don't know about quasars. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1919.12 1920.97 One damped Lyman alpha Q. S. O. s. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1916.95 1919.12 Uh I don't know what that means either. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1919.06 1919.71 I think it should p 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1923.14 1925 It's not a source type, that's definitely true. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1924.72 1925.25 No. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1934.55 1935.4 Um 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1931.16 1934.55 Mm white dwarf? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1927.12 1929.11 That's okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1925.3 1927.12 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1929.11 1931.16 Um the A. W. D. s. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1927.48 1927.77 So 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1932.5 1933.5 What's D. A. ? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1936.15 1937.66 And there's W. D. s. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1938.96 1941.75 It's twenty five of D. A. type and six of D. B. type. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1940.57 1942.21 Yeah, it's if it has 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1942.77 1943.51 h h 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1944.95 1949.29 Hydrogen or h helium in the atmosphere of white dwarfs. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1949.29 1949.67 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1947.65 1949.89 Okay, so it is a different class. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1949.89 1952.88 Okay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1949.7 1949.83 Yep. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1954.05 1954.64 Nope. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1954.25 1954.46 Yep. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1956.95 1958.9 Yes, you're fine with that. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1958.23 1959.08 Low BAL. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1966.71 1968.97 Mm I'd put multiple in there. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1972.92 1974.54 We're not supposed to do components. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1975.54 1977.73 No, that's right. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1977.73 1978.52 That all goes. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1976.11 1976.35 Nope. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1976.13 1977.15 I say neither of them. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1977.51 1977.79 Okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1978.91 1980.8 Or yeah, that's right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1980.47 1980.8 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1984.54 1986.89 No absorption lines. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1987.94 1988.89 Oh sorry, I'm I me 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1986.89 1987.94 That should be highlighted. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1984.89 1985.99 No luminos 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1988.52 1993.03 Yeah, low luminosity Q. S. O. s, no. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1993.03 1994.38 People talk about them a lot, but 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 1995.78 2000.21 Yeah, I don't thin I don't think there was s but 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1999.2 2000.34 So we should do 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 1996.05 1999.2 Well we're doing ultra-luminous galaxies. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1998.35 1999.94 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 1999.94 2001.15 I guess you could keep it then. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2001.69 2003.01 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2003.01 2004.92 People discuss them as a separate class. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2002.1 2006.13 Mm only if it's an astro-physically distinct distinct 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2006.95 2009.61 They are as as much as ultra-luminous galaxies are. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2009.22 2009.55 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2011.18 2011.47 Okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2014.47 2017.59 No absorption lines should be in, and the same here. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2014.66 2016.43 And yep, that should be in. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2021.51 2023.11 Nice not to do associated for once. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2020.81 2021.51 I didn't. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2023.48 2024.05 Excellent. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2026.74 2027.63 Regions. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2027.63 2028.7 I shouldn't have done that. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2027.31 2028.61 I you're 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2029.96 2031.36 Y yes, you shouldn't. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2037.03 2038.37 Oh, A. and B. . 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2038.56 2041.69 And we w oh gosh, what were we gonna to do about A. and again? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2041.21 2042.92 No, that's the conjunctural. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2045.3 2046.11 If yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2042.92 2045.3 I'm right here, I think. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2045.2 2046.41 Yes, you are right, yeah. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2046.91 2047.2 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2050.3 2052.98 Strong soft X. ray flux. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2054.31 2055.6 Yeah, you can point to that. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2054.58 2055.54 Yeah, that's okay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2057.42 2058.31 Uh 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2059.01 2060.48 And that's associated absorption lines. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2063.94 2065.58 Right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2065.58 2068.83 In the A. A. L. outflow, it's a r yeah, that doesn't count. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2062.69 2063.94 Oh. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2066.34 2067.77 But it's a region though, isn't it. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2071.19 2073.37 And absorption and small clouds is out. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2073.38 2074.11 It doesn't count. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2082.76 2087.32 And I've done blue wings of this and this and this. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2079.33 2082.76 Ah, now this is the conjunct rule again. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2082.76 2084.44 And I didn't Ooh. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2084.44 2086.38 How do you know what's going on here? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2088.12 2088.53 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2100.69 2102.11 But and I've highlighted it separately. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2096.35 2097.44 It goes over there. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2092.84 2096.35 And presumably that's red there. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2097.44 2100.69 I think i if the line's too long, y you've highlighted all i as one. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2102.11 2102.91 It should be separate. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2088.92 2091.38 And this is one double line. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2091.38 2092.84 And this. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2091.51 2091.76 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2099.25 2100.91 Oh, I highlighted all as one, right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2096.27 2099.25 Yeah, I don't know what this means. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2106.67 2107.29 Okay, yeah. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2109.69 2111.55 Because that is not marked in the 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2108.57 2109.69 What what's this N. thing? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2113.83 2119.3 it's only ha putting the bottom line because Olivia would've marked from blue all the way to the end as one long line. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2112.5 2113.83 I think if the line's too long 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2119.46 2119.92 Ye ye 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2119.83 2122.57 No, sorry, I mean the um so so most the 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2122.63 2123.78 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2120.96 2122.63 The N. should be. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2121.46 2122.73 the N. as well. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2122.73 2123.53 Uh yeah, 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2123 2128.31 Yes, but I think it probably was and just hasn't printed because Olivia wouldn't have started marking at fourteen O. two. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2128.31 2129.87 Almo two lines above. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2125.8 2126.04 Right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2130.44 2131 Mm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2131 2132.71 Hmm? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2133.07 2137.88 Yeah, but I think it's just m missing out the printing if the line goes over the end. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2143.54 2144.64 She would have highlighted the whole thing. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2137.88 2143.54 'Cause if you look at you look at what Olivia's done here, Olivia wouldn't have just highlighted that line. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2134.15 2134.32 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2138.21 2141.27 So your N. starts yep, yep, I see what you mean. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2136.92 2138.21 Oh, I see. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2140.55 2140.89 Yeah. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2138.73 2140.55 Hmm. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2143.07 2143.61 Right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2143.84 2144.09 Mm. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2143.86 2145.58 But Yeah. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2145.58 2150.73 But it's s so you're mostly settling uh settling for for the uh solution where you mark all contacts individually. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2145.44 2146.81 So N. probably should be highli 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2149.86 2152.14 Yeah, and it's just hasn't printed that. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2152.14 2153.28 But it is marked I think. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2151.82 2152.05 Yep. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2154.04 2154.23 Right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2156.67 2158.71 Absorption components don't count. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2159.58 2159.92 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2163.48 2163.96 Shouldn't be. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2160.9 2163.48 Continuum source, does that count? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2161.83 2163.58 Shouldn't be. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2168.51 2171.27 Mm oh so it is. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2171.27 2171.73 That's right. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2173.1 2174.89 But it's al is that also the name of the source? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2175.35 2176 Probably, yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2175.92 2176.42 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2176.98 2180.42 So it should be this one plus the pink. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2181.88 2182.02 Yep. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2185.64 2191.76 Uh line broadness. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2190.09 2193.17 Line broadness, and I think that should be in. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2193.34 2196.89 That's a way of saying line width though, and we don't mark line width. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2200.87 2202.41 So we've been in here. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2197.39 2200.87 Well okay yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2196.23 2197.39 That's true. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2202.41 2202.57 Alright. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2205.4 2205.98 my table for now. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2205.83 2208.57 Oh. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2212.43 2216.09 Rich iron spectrum. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2214.42 2216.02 Rich iron spectrum. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2221.71 2222.5 You're probably right. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2229.96 2230.83 Um 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2226.04 2229.96 Does that make it a spectral feature? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2222.5 2226.04 To the feature of the spectrum. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2238.06 2238.4 Or 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2236.8 2238.06 Something that you can point to, right? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2244.26 2254.09 you have all the l lines of actually lots of different elements, and you have to work out at all the ones sp which are ion lines. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2260.54 2261.16 Um 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2254.09 2260.54 Then after that you look and say um ha has a lot of ion in it. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2238.35 2244.26 Well kind of, it it's uh uh d if you had a s sp spectrum,
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2238.55 2239.12 Yeah. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2249.32 2249.6 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2254.13 2254.58 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2259.56 2259.85 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2260.23 2260.53 Mm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2262.94 2269.29 It's a feature of the whole spectrum rather than you can't say there is a rich iron spectrum, you can say this is a rich iron spectrum. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2263.19 2263.56 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2263.71 2264.79 But b yeah i 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2264.91 2267.21 Yep, that's the rich iron spectrum. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2267.21 2268.38 I agree, let's get rid of it. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2267.11 2267.58 Oh, I see. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2267.19 2269.71 That's right, it's it yeah. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2269.6 2272.37 So in that sense it's like like a derived property. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2272.37 2273.3 Yeah, I see, uh-huh. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2269.98 2270.15 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2271.59 2272.44 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2271.86 2273.02 Yeah, I think so. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2274.36 2276.88 It's feature of the spectrum, which is different. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2273.28 2274.36 Yes, it's not a spectral feature. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2275.52 2275.88 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2274.71 2275.52 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2275.28 2277.44 Right, that's not shouldn't go in. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2277.58 2277.82 Mm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2279.16 2279.63 Yes. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2281.78 2283.03 And then with the same. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2281.91 2282.82 Is that everything? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2282.82 2283.88 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2283.88 2284.26 Okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2284.98 2288.16 Gosh, we're getting through this now. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2288.16 2291.44 Um giant ellipticals or ellipticals. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2286.42 2288.48 Yeah yeah, we aren't gonna make it to our second cookie break. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2291.82 2294.75 I don't mind. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2293.94 2296.94 We were inclu are you not 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2296.88 2298.35 Are giant ellipticals separate things? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2298.35 2298.78 I don't know. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2298.94 2300.02 Yeah, I think so. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2301.65 2304.73 I think they probably are in the ETA B. T. G. s and things. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2299.42 2301.65 They are separate, but are they a separate class? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2304.32 2304.71 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2302.69 2304.32 I think so. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2303.86 2304.25 Okay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2302.75 2303.86 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2306.69 2308.58 Line emitting gas doesn't get in. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2310.85 2311.87 Ionized emission. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2313.64 2316.19 If you're doing emission from high yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2315.32 2317.55 Yes, I think you want ionized in there. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2319.14 2320.08 Really? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2320.71 2321.19 You think? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2320.08 2320.71 Really? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2320.71 2320.94 Hmm? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2322.37 2323.73 Well she 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2322.76 2325.09 You can point to ionized emission rather than 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2325.56 2331 She was allowed emission from high excitation what-not. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2331 2333.37 And that's exactly the same. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2333.37 2335.41 Yeah, that's exactly the same as 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2335.15 2339.27 It it's pointing there and saying, look, there's a high excitation emission. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2331.41 2334.35 Emission from high excitation lines. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2334.35 2335.15 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2327.24 2331.41 Hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2339.27 2340.62 And there's not high excitation. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2342.85 2343.25 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2341.07 2342.85 Okay, if you both think so. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2341.26 2341.46 No. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2349.77 2350.11 So 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2344.05 2349.77 Well I'm not certain if high excitation should go in, but if high excitation should go in, I think ionized means the same thing, doesn't it? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2347.3 2347.35 K 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2349.11 2349.66 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2349.66 2350.39 Okay, okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2350.31 2350.84 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2350.67 2350.84 Hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2353.76 2361.17 Yeah, you're right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2361.17 2364.05 You've got X. ray source R. one seventeen. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2354.19 2355.16 Line ratio. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2359.28 2360.91 What's different there? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2360.91 2361.77 Oh there, yes. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2371.46 2372.98 With the red inside it. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2368.98 2371.46 Narrow line Seyfert one should all be one. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2372.9 2373.21 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2376.98 2377.64 That 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2378.01 2379.16 No, that's 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2380.83 2383.94 This is describing the band you do the observations in? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2381.04 2381.48 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2384.71 2386.09 It's describing the line you're looking for. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2387.17 2389.23 Yeah, I think so. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2387.71 2389.4 Yeah, that counts? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2389.4 2389.75 Alright. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2389.3 2391.55 We've included it before when you've said this has been detected. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2391.79 2392.66 Right, okay. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2391.96 2392.55 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2399.92 2403.42 From I think should be in there. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2402.78 2402.96 S 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2406.39 2406.64 Yep. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2403.44 2406.39 S Yeah, okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2405.67 2406.42 E emission lines. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2410.31 2411.69 Quasars I missed. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2411.5 2411.8 Yep. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2414.3 2415.12 Ooh. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2415.12 2416.1 Those shouldn't be there, should they? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2418.6 2418.82 No. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2418.71 2420.65 Damped Lyman also is not systems, yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2420.92 2422.04 Oh okay, okay, okay. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2422.81 2424.67 Well hang on though, but um 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2429.13 2435.76 Is it just um to s scrub your mechanism there? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2435.76 2440.59 It isn't uh a spectral feature such as oh, it's a process. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2436.17 2437.44 Ne yes. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2439 2440.64 Mm no, I think it's a spectral feature. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2440.64 2445.23 You can point to the damped Lyman a alpha resorption, in in the same way you can point to H. beta emission 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2445.23 2447.82 although H. beta emission is a process. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2447.82 2449.59 Or emission from H. beta is is a process. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2447.75 2450.44 I think this is what we agreed to cross out before, isn't it? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2447.87 2448.19 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2451.38 2456.42 No, the damped Lyman alpha absorption systems we crossed out. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2456.42 2458.02 We also crossed out 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2455.32 2455.64 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2461.35 2462.62 I think it's a process myself. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2462.19 2463.56 I think it's a process too, I think 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2465.62 2472.36 Especially when uh they're saying we're y we're choosing low red-shift absorption. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2472.36 2475.29 That's not really something you can point to. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2473.8 2474.9 What did we do back 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2479.4 2482.92 Mm you can point to low red shift damped Lyman alpha absorption 'cause you're shifted in the spectrum there. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2483.52 2484.88 Mm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2484.88 2486.51 I'm not too fast, I don't think. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2487.77 2488.23 Um 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2491.46 2493.46 would it be if it was H. beta absorption? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2497.52 2499.29 And you just took out the low red shifts. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2499.29 2501.25 Quasars with H. beta absorption you'd put in. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2503.32 2504.84 Mm no I'm not sure. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2506.66 2508.4 I think damped Lyman alpha absorption 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2505.48 2506.66 Because it's a spectral feature. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2513.53 2515.16 But I can't remember what we've done before. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2510.42 2513.53 It's whether it's a process or a a feature. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2513.67 2514.46 I think it's both. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2517.21 2521.17 Because we've every feature is produced by a process. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2520.19 2525.07 Well if it was if it was absorption and damped Lyman alpha clouds, you'd not mark absorption. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2525.92 2530.32 Yes, it's depends whether it has t whether it means with low red shift damped Lyman alpha cloud absorption. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2533.03 2535.8 If it was damped Lyman alpha absorbers, that would be different. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2535.8 2537.13 But I think absorption 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2538.71 2540.26 I do think it's a process, I think. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2540.32 2545.94 It's a process, but it also produces a spectral feature, where you can say there's the damped Lyman alpha absorption,
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2552.31 2553.98 Yeah, I think it should be in there. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2545.94 2552.31 there's the in the same way that the, yeah, H. beta emission is a process. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2547.57 2548.09 That is true. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2546.69 2547.57 Well that's true. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2546.13 2546.69 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2546.87 2548.5 Hmm? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2548.5 2548.71 Mm? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2550.17 2550.63 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2551.08 2552.01 Well we've both marked it. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2552.01 2553.67 So let's leave it there. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2552.76 2553.81 Yeah, okay, okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2560.53 2563.38 They're dubbed micro-quasars. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2557.8 2560.53 Micro-quasars. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2558.07 2559.32 Micro-quasars. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2563.64 2565.08 That means it's new-fangled. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2562.27 2563.64 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2565.12 2570.62 Is it gonna be a decent source type in the future? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2573.81 2574.21 But 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2572.33 2573.81 I haven't heard referred to since. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2573.94 2574.46 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2576.34 2578.39 But just talk about the micro-quasar. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2578.73 2581.01 Yeah, but they've made up that word. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2580.14 2583.88 Yeah, I think you're right, they have ma 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2596 2597.67 Well someone must have made that up for the first time. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2585.96 2596 Mm on the other hand if we're having hyper-luminous galaxies where, you know, they've just got ultra-luminous and oh, even more hyper-luminous. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2595.46 2595.98 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2597.14 2602.21 But w do they what defines a micro-quasar? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2600.39 2600.65 I think 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2603.01 2606.36 Same as a hyper-luminous galaxy being very very extreme. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2607.51 2609.08 But. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2608.02 2609.67 I guess keep it probably, yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2632.04 2636.61 But what about the acronym because that's has that should be in. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2614.86 2632.04 I reckon a dwarf amorphous nuclei star burst galaxy, a dance, is a Yeah, okay. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2621.57 2622.79 I've never heard of that one before. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2620.38 2621.57 No, they've made that one up certainly. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2628.81 2630.63 So that do we say we take that out? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2622.82 2628.81 Uh yeah, you y there's not been more than one study of dwarf amorphous nuclear star burst galaxies. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2627.99 2628.44 No. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2635.63 2636.68 So that's okay, yep. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2634.39 2635.63 Yep, that's it in it. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2638.68 2641.7 star burst nuclei. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2643.73 2644.48 You're right. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2644.48 2644.84 Oh. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2647.48 2648.28 The object. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2649.57 2650.21 Oh. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2650.48 2652.27 If it was star burst galaxies, it would be in there. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2654.15 2658.87 Star burst nuclei refers to a region within an object which would not be observed separately. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2658.87 2659.58 Um 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2655.84 2658.15 Yeah, that's right. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2658.15 2660.14 Yeah, I wouldn't, yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2656.78 2658.01 Oops. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2660.81 2664.14 Yep, that's fine. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2671.17 2671.69 Or 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2669.93 2671.17 But you still include the acronym? 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2664.8 2669.93 So you you f you found that dwarf amorphous blah blah galaxies, that that's not a proper name? 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2663.87 2664.8 Sorry, what what happened now? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2663.9 2664.28 Okay. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2672.08 2677.88 Because the acronym has star burst in it uh galaxies in it, in the S., and if the acronym includes its 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2676.14 2678.17 Oh okay. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2678.17 2679.83 Alright, okay. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2679.83 2680.56 I see, mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2679.2 2680.11 Then it has to be in there. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2683.9 2685.32 Continuum flux you can have. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2685.82 2687.02 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2688.02 2691.94 U. V. and optical emission line ratios. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2691.94 2692.29 But 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2691.4 2692.31 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2693.54 2694.86 I think all of that goes then, doesn't it? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2702.4 2702.79 No. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2700.97 2702.4 Surely. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2701.3 2702.84 We wouldn't have line ratios. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2702.84 2703.8 So yeah, that goes. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2708.73 2711.13 No, it shouldn't 'cause it it modifies the ratios. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2703.27 2708.73 U. V. and optical emi U. V. and optical emission should be in there though. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2709.38 2710.35 No, I don't think anybody goes. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2709.72 2710.28 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2710.28 2711.59 No, it modifies ratios. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2711.83 2712.1 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2727.84 2730.22 So I think that's right, as long as this is 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2717.97 2727.84 Oh gosh, no emission l okay, so I've highlighted this in r red and then the whole thing in green because type two Seyfart galaxies are one. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2719.05 2719.28 Mm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2727.69 2728.42 Yep, that's fine. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2726.43 2727.69 Right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2732.62 2733.58 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2731.28 2732.62 Plus red. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2740.32 2742.23 T. V. gamma ray emission. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2749.64 2749.79 Right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2746.76 2749.64 We weren't doing broad-band detections. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2755.53 2756.74 Very stupid, but it is. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2750.96 2754.12 Using the. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2747.51 2750.96 We weren't doing broad-band detections, yeah? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2754.12 2755.53 It is, yes. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2748.54 2749.29 Mm no. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2752.65 2754.77 That's definitely an instrument name. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2759.56 2760.87 Right, you're right there. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2762.26 2765.77 F. B. S. objects shouldn't be in there. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2766.29 2767.08 What does it mean? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2769.38 2770.57 I don't know, but it's got object. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2770.85 2771.49 Yep, you're right. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2773.6 2780.46 And the MAMA scanning machine is an instrument, it's not a telescope, it's an instrument. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2777.38 2778.77 It's an instrument, yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2778.49 2779.43 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2780.4 2781.13 So you can have that. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2779.43 2780.4 Okay. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2783.17 2785.06 Right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2785.06 2787 At the other one we stopped after four metre. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2787 2788.41 So maybe we should do that there as well. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2787.01 2787.95 Oh yes, it should be. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2792.29 2795.07 Narrow emission lines from high iron yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2793.26 2793.9 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2793.9 2795.2 We did it this way before. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2800.8 2801.71 Absorption features. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2809.5 2810.41 That should be separate. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2807.3 2809.5 Weak continuum. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2809.19 2810.14 Yeah, you're right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2812.67 2816.74 Continuum radiation. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2815.16 2816.75 Continuum radiation. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2820.77 2821.17 Neither. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2819.13 2820.77 No. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2820.21 2820.56 Neither. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2826.22 2826.62 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2832.83 2833.43 Yeah, we don't 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2826.66 2829.45 Narrow line region emission. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2829.45 2832.83 Uh do you th I think that goes out. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2828.38 2828.59 Yep. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2830.29 2835.23 Oh, there's emission from the narrow line region, yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2839.4 2841.75 Narrow line emission should be in. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2842.06 2842.3 Yep. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2845.78 2849.78 Uh yep, white dwarfs is a source type. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2852.36 2857.31 Yeah, you're right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2857.31 2858.97 It is. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2858.97 2859.56 Uh 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2856.76 2859.03 Stupid Keckers. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2859.03 2861.88 You used to b oh no, Keck observatory. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2853.7 2856.76 F. V. low BAL is a source type. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2861.88 2864.12 Yes, we did decide Keck was going in. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2863.16 2863.98 Keck is yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2870.82 2873.79 So we shouldn't allow H. or helium two O. spectrum either. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2866.31 2870.82 Uh we didn't allow iron spectrum. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2874.79 2875.65 Yeah, that's right. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2876.67 2877.64 And we shouldn't allow emission. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2875.5 2876.67 At all, yep. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2879.27 2879.49 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2881.44 2883.63 Iso-electronic. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2887.33 2887.59 Yeah. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2890.77 2893.01 Oh, no, radio loud and radio quiet are. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2888.1 2889.47 Radio quasars? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2889.47 2890.77 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2889.12 2891.02 Radio quasars are s type. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2894.23 2896.64 But radio quasars means radio loud quasars. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2897.16 2898.45 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2900.93 2903.8 U. V. accessors are right, isn't it? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2903.8 2904.78 It's a spectral feature. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2903.53 2904.3 Mm-hmm. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2908.34 2911.12 We weren't doing flat spectrum quasars, were we? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2911.76 2912.39 Um 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2912.82 2913.06 No. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2915.52 2916.01 Were we? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2921.73 2923.05 But yes, they are separate. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2915.8 2917.63 Ye I think they're a separate class, yes. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2917.63 2921.73 We're not putting them in spectral, but I think we are putting them in because it's so broad band. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2919.11 2919.4 Right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2925.73 2927.73 Uh you're right there. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2923.54 2925.73 Right. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2930.48 2931.58 Line strengths. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2941.29 2942.69 No, you can't point to it, yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2941.48 2942.76 Means equivalent widths, yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2946.06 2948.13 Uh I did mis-group 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2946.35 2947.5 Missed group. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2950.84 2952.73 Yep. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2950.86 2952.44 Subaru telescope, you're right. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2955.23 2955.91 That's it. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2955.91 2956.66 Hurray. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2955.44 2960.81 It's under a proper name 'cause it's got a capital T. . 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2955.91 2958.13 Hey. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2958.13 2958.75 Excellent. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2957.01 2958.66 Hey, wow. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2961.05 2961.32 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2963.01 2963.61 Well, very good. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2963.7 2966.64 Hurray, we're done. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2966.64 2967.13 Excellent. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2964.55 2965.31 Wonderful. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2965.37 2967.67 Under two hours. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2967.67 2968.09 Amazing. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2972.65 2975.39 Um where's the bin in here? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2975.39 2980.81 And more to the point, can I get to it without going ah, I can carry my little bits in the with me. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2980.81 2983.07 Excuse me, camera, I need to find the bin. 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2983.07 2985.47 Um and there isn't one, is there? 
EN2006b H01 FEE087 2968.28 2972.65 Well once we've got them identified, a lot of them were the same problem going round and round. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2970.5 2970.91 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2971.13 2972.38 Yeah. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2972.38 2972.61 Yeah. 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2972.55 2972.97 Yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2977.64 2980.99 No, you can't. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2983.4 2983.76 Oh. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2986.33 2986.77 Are we done? 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2984.87 2986.33 Do we each remain wired up? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2988.76 2989.87 We're done? 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2989.87 2990.04 Right. 
EN2006b H00 MEE089 2986.55 2988.76 I think that's it, isn't it? 
EN2006b H03 MEO086 2987.35 2988.87 I th I think so, yeah. 
EN2006b H02 FEE088 2989.23 2989.7 Excellent. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 0.61 3.24 So we've moved over and onto the other eye link. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 0.1 0.61 Uh yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 3.24 5.99 So uh 'cause she's running at the moment. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 26.37 30.18 But I in the our case, I don't think there's anything more we can do really. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 13.04 16.25 Um I mean I guess right, okay. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 23.84 26.37 Like make the sign in bigger red letters. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 35.19 37.27 So 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 4.19 13.04 I mean m my view on this was that um the need for people to back up their data personally was made sufficiently clear to lab users. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 16.25 18.6 As long as she admits it, then then that's fine. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 3.32 4.19 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 30.18 35.19 So Um well, I doubt anybody'll do that again 'cause that'll get around. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1.99 3.32 Okay. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 18.6 23.84 I I'm just thinking, you know, sometimes when there's a a process error like that, you think oh, then there's something we should change. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 17.8 18.09 Uh-huh. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 16.96 17.8 Yes. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 14.22 16.96 She did admit it. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 30.07 30.34 No. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 29.73 30.07 Hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 32.15 32.54 But ma 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 36.15 44.17 Shock and worry at uh I think yeah, there's a there's a mailing list uh and mm-hmm, yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 44.17 50.95 Uh F Frank went through it, deleted the people that were have gone or or whatever and replaced them. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 34.48 36.15 Yes. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 50.95 54.22 So the the eye the the list is now updated. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 39.1 41.46 So it's everyone should know about it now. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 36.45 39.1 Yeah, we'll go we've got the mailing lists out now, isn't isn't it. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 36.15 36.45 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 43.68 45.14 They've just revived that, right? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 41.56 43.68 Yeah, there was a mailing list before. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 51.74 52.48 Right, okay. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 62.27 62.63 So 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 54.43 54.64 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 54.64 57.12 So so everyone on that list has now being reminded. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 57.12 62.27 Yeah, don't store anythi anything sensitive on yeah, don't store anything you you care about on the machines. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 54.72 55.06 Uh-huh. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 57.47 58.03 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 68.78 70.76 But there's not much we can do about that apart from 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 64.02 68.78 And we don't know so there's every chance of this falling over again if it's a hardware thing, right. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 60.89 64.02 Right. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 62.23 63.41 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 63.41 65.37 Yes uh 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 74.98 79.31 and it says there's no uh there's no problems, but something caused it to go wrong in the first place. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 81.3 87.78 We'll just fingers crossed and hope ho yeah ho hope that all this is just a software thing that we can just fix like that and that'll be it. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 79.31 81.3 So we don't know, we don't know. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 68.36 74.98 Yeah, with the yeah, I mean I di I di I did do hard dri hard drive check um and a memory check,
EN2009b H01 FEE083 74.11 74.37 Right. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 79.66 80.2 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 78.95 79.66 Why is uh-huh. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 77.56 78.95 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 81.89 82.23 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 83.54 83.83 Uh-huh. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 90.44 92.12 Is it you know. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 93.5 94.81 D is this a day? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 88.02 88.43 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 92.12 93.5 How much disruption does this cause? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 98.78 99.12 Uh-huh. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 96.58 97.24 Day and a bit? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 88.43 90.44 So how long does this put you back for? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 94.81 96.58 Two days? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 97.24 98.78 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 92.32 93.09 Hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 95.46 96.3 We're doing a bit. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 96.3 105.35 See last week by the time everything and and then it'll be hopefully no more than, I don't know what, twenty minutes today to 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 94.84 95.46 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 98.76 99.48 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 103.76 105.82 Yeah, I mean there's there's so what we yeah, one one for one. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 110.57 115.38 and then that will be I think that's everything we need f before we can before you can start running the experiments, isn't it. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 115.38 115.79 So 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 108.42 110.57 Try and get Camtasia on there and get that tested out,
EN2009b H00 MEE095 105.82 108.42 One we'll try and get done today, yeah, get get Windows back on there. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 104.79 105.94 To actually do the re-install. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 105.94 106.09 You c 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 110.93 111.38 Hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 114.48 114.7 Yep. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 122.16 123.45 I c I didn't read 'em. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 114.79 115.41 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 123.45 125.8 I saw like five messages go back and forth. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 118.13 121.39 That's un unrelated to this problem, right? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 121.39 122.16 Um the Eye-Link. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 125.8 128.75 Maybe they were under the wrong subject header. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 115.41 118.13 And I saw uh a bunch of stuff about software updates. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 120.05 122.02 You mean from was that Joe? 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 118.29 120.05 I i yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 122.02 123.6 Or is that 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 144.16 145.35 Yep, it's unrelated. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 141.9 144.16 But yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 132.86 139.19 Joe has uh produced another version of the uh model builder and put that up. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 139.19 141.9 Uh well that wa that was Ruud well a few weeks ago. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 129.31 132.86 Um there was nothing nothing over last week. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 130.72 132.38 So anyway, we have well 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 137.54 138.88 Oh no, I mean the Eye-Link software. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 147.18 147.72 Um 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 145.46 147.18 Okay, good. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 142.28 145.46 So it's unrelated, it's not that right. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 149.08 151.77 'Cause Frank did all that because he then had an experiment. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 151.77 154.19 So he's run an experiment and it's all worked. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 147.74 149.08 And was r was running. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 158.38 160.13 Or is this put his schedule back? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 155.22 158.38 So uh i uh did he get his data in? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 153.62 155.22 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 155.09 155.37 Yep. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 164.1 169.19 And he backs up anyway. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 160.24 164.1 Uh he's he's done his and got his and yes. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 162.34 163.26 He's done it, okay. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 165.06 167.07 Yep. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 175.04 178.11 So better you than me. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 170.18 175.04 Um well unfortunate, but it sounds like um you guys are well placed for dealing with it. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 165.26 170.18 Right. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 174.99 181.12 Maybe too well placed, yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 189.59 193.56 so sure that the J. C. T. is actually working, collaborating collaborating between the two machines. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 206.41 210.92 But um but it loo it looks like it was doing all the calibration and drift correction things that s Ellen was wanting on it. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 210.92 215.74 So So that don't think there's anything to add to the software for that part. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 185.95 189.59 Um so my m I should get everything working on the um, yeah, on Monday,
EN2009b H00 MEE095 198.99 205.87 Um still have to once it's re-installed have to actually do a proper p yeah, of proper pilot and yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 183.46 185.95 So that that everything went down like on the Tuesday morning. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 205.87 206.41 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 177.04 178.06 Yep, yep. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 181.5 183.46 No, I have to manage to get at things working on on Monday. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 193.56 198.99 Um I had dinner I wasn't actually at dinner but I d have the eye tracker stuff working, 'cause it was just me running roun running round the lab. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 215.74 216.07 Um 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 178.06 181.5 Uh but uh yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 192.88 193.38 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 202.32 206.63 Oh so you need to borrow somebody's head and mouth and stuff to to run it, right. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 206.63 207.18 And 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 202.69 202.81 Yep. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 211.88 212.34 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 234.5 234.77 Right. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 228.27 234.5 But I guess Ellen was gonna be your the p the person who yeah, your spare head. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 224.43 228.27 I'll th I'll ask her if she'd mind coming down and helping you out for uh a while. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 216.5 219.82 So I've got a new um trainee who might need amusement at some point. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 219.82 224.43 So if you need to borrow a head that talks that doesn't necessarily need to do much else 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 214.96 216.5 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 231.94 235.98 Or Uh yes, but she's not around. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 235.98 237.99 So uh 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 230.83 231.94 Wh a spare head? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 236.78 237.19 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 247.16 247.89 Her name's Nynke. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 244.73 247.16 But uh she'll be uh back tomorrow. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 247.89 248.75 Did you guys meet her? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 237.19 244.73 So um uh mine is well, she's actually climbing Ben Nevis today, I think. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 250.95 251.21 Mm. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 249.75 250.95 Don't think so. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 253.38 254.2 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 251.56 253.38 Nynke. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 253.09 256.94 This seems the sort of thing that people might might find i find amusing to look at. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 256.94 262.02 So um I I'll I'll see if if she'd be willing to 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 253.31 255.37 Don't s don't sound don't sound familiar. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 274.04 274.55 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 269.32 274.04 Hei Heidi, who is the gesture of autism. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 262.45 269.32 Well I did meet uh uh uh uh someone from another project of yours on Wednesday evening it was. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 261.66 262.45 Mm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 269.08 270.7 Oh, who is that? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 274.43 279.01 You guys might actually have something in common 'cause she does, well, you know, stuff for the video coding and gesturing. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 270.7 272.99 Oh yeah, Heidi. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 272.99 274.43 Oh yeah, she's good. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 278.89 279.36 Mm yep. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 282.89 283.18 But 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 282.07 282.89 And autism. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 282.89 283.94 And autism, yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 284.54 285.52 So, okay. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 305.19 305.68 So 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 293.22 296.24 Well uh no uh I will actually give her the the option. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 299.66 305.19 I think it's quite useful when you're at that stage to see the different kinds of technologies people use. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 296.24 299.66 But um it sounds like the kind of thing where, you know 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 290.01 293.22 Uh okay, Nynke to volunteer. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 287.14 290.01 Uh right, what am I writing. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 291.44 297.14 Sh she's been volunteered. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 290.49 291.44 Yes. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 311.06 314.93 And we'll just sort of do a run-through of proper pilot just to just just so I can see th 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 304.97 305.7 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 305.7 311.06 Yeah, so I'll try and try and get Camtasia up and running so I can try it out when when when we've got her coming in. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 311.35 311.52 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 314.01 320.95 Yep, make sure it uh it starts and finishes when it's meant to and that sort of thing as well. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 319.51 319.83 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 320.29 320.68 Yep. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 320.68 326.14 Um yeah, I'll make sure make sure they can actually pick up the f um audio signal as well. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 326.14 330.62 Uh so but uh it should be the yeah, the audio signal should be coming out the speakers once it's set up properly. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 330.62 333.02 So that should that should make that slightly easier. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 319.56 320.29 Yep. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 326.25 326.99 Uh yep. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 324.95 326.25 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 333.77 334.09 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 352.2 352.7 H-Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 346.19 352.2 Yes. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 352.7 354.43 It comes through the 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 338.01 346.19 And so it comes from the P. C., which is outside the sound-proof box. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 333.92 338.01 Uh yes, with the um the bleep was a hardware bleep originally. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 341.2 344.66 Oops. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 344.66 349 Well, you found that then. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 346.09 347.95 Yeah, yep. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 352.01 359.43 So as long as and what we'll have done is just gonna set up so the uh whatever the asterisk sound is on Windows is what gets played. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 347.95 352.01 Uh but yeah, so they're fortunate have speakers o on the monitors inside the room. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 359.43 363.54 So so just change sound to whatever you like, just go through the Windows control panel. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 360.17 360.53 Right. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 368.82 368.85 Aye? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 364.42 365.03 Okay. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 365.03 368.82 So we want one you can pick up using Matlab or something, right? 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 378.81 383.69 Did it with ten kilo-hertz and it's just really clear, where you can tell exactly where exactly where the beep is now. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 383.69 384.54 So yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 393.83 395.46 Um so I've I've got a little script for doing it. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 384.54 388.02 So tha it's ju just a matter of um yeah, you just ba basically just play it 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 399.82 403.27 Yep, yep, not a problem. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 395.46 399.82 So So Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 368.52 371.03 Yep, yeah so I'll I'll have that running over the weekend. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 371.03 374.26 Um so la last week I tried it with a one kilo-hertz sound. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 388.02 393.83 just play a ten kilo-hertz sound over the over the speech and then just um compare the two signals basically. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 374.26 378.81 Um and it was it c it could detect it, but it wasn't but but it wasn't very clear. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 368.79 369.35 Yeah, yep. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 381.71 383.04 Okay. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 383.04 383.5 Perfect. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 406.27 407.13 Well that all sounds good. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 401.31 405.29 'Cause we won't know. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 405.29 406.27 Right. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 395.64 396.2 Perfect. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 396.2 400.5 So or you're gonna bank the script some place and tell us how to run it. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 400.5 401.31 Uh-huh. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 400.4 402.01 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 402.01 404 No. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 408.5 417.9 you have altered the um task programme because uh to put the um little eye icon and the mouse uh to make it 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 406.68 408.5 Uh um what else? 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 418.92 423.38 Um we'll double we'll double-check and re-install on software on the on the um eye tracking machines. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 423.38 425.05 But yeah, it should uh should be updated without any. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 415.98 418.92 Yep, yeah, the the one the one in just installed should have that now. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 426.39 426.8 So 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 433.22 434.7 There was like yeah, mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 426.39 433.22 Rather than just a blob uh Ellen wanted something to look more like an eye so that you knew that was the eye. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 433.1 434.04 Oh really? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 434.04 434.56 Oh okay. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 434.95 439.08 Yeah, so so so we've got like uh a big circle with a white circle in the middle of it for an eye. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 439.08 442.92 And we got like a rectangle with two like rectangle buttons on it for a mouse. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 447.82 449.44 It doesn't get in the way of seeing what's underneath? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 445.48 447.82 Very nice, very pretty. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 444.01 445.48 Uh-huh, okay. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 445.04 448.19 So 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 449.9 453.04 Uh no, they're they're they're the same size as the as the original blobs basically. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 453.04 457.72 But um so they uh yeah, I think the mouse is slightly bigger, but it's not, you know, it's not it's not hugely bigger. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 457.72 459.1 So 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 452.51 452.78 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 451.91 452.51 Version one. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 456.79 458.09 It's not too bad. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 461.59 461.76 No. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 458.77 461.59 I c I can I can see where that's useful. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 458.09 458.77 Uh-huh. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 466.63 466.91 So 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 461.34 465.68 And if it ever ever gets to be a problem in the pilot I can easily reduce the size of whatever. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 465.68 466.63 'Cause that's not too hard. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 460.95 461.34 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 464.18 465.46 Just change it. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 465.46 465.7 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 470.47 475.2 So you has to be a a reasonable target uh for the for the tracking purposes. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 466.55 470.47 Want it a reasonable size so that if they're looking at it we know they're looking at it though. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 472.32 472.59 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 475.97 476.49 Yep,. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 487.61 487.97 But 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 477.63 480.85 Although if if you had a big thing and it was jiggling around like anybody's business,
EN2009b H01 FEE083 480.85 484.85 like real eye track traces, then you might find that a little bit disconcerting. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 484.85 487.61 I mean small things you kind of expect to jiggle around, right. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 476.2 477.63 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 488.24 496.54 With large mm yeah, I suppose the larger more oscillation appears that um it's not w I mean uh it isn't it isn't it isn't that big. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 496.54 500.08 So Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 487.22 488.24 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 494.35 500.65 It'll look like it's quivering, you know. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 500.65 503.57 Yeah, but well, that's all fine. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 495.78 499.06 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 506.66 507.26 What else? 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 508.72 509.73 Uh I'll try it. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 509.19 510.72 You were saying Joe with the model builder. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 511.07 519.27 Uh yes, he's produced an another version that doesn't uh have the overlap problem. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 524.73 536.55 Um Marloes discovered something strange about the orientation of parallelograms from when it was constructed to when it appears in the um actual task. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 544.26 547.5 So I'll check that out uh to see if it really is a problem or not. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 536.55 544.26 But I think that might be something to do with the original configuration than the parts that weren't the same across the two. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 519.27 521.85 You know, there was the yeah, the collisions. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 521.85 524.73 The polygons now don't overlap. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 518.51 520.14 Oh, remind me. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 520.92 521.34 Okay. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 520.14 520.92 Oh yes. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 523.62 524.11 Oh that's good. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 547.91 548.41 Oh okay. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 565.62 568.07 So uh entirely sure. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 560.08 560.74 Not rotated. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 557.86 560.08 Just total it flipped uh in in a mirror image. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 560.74 562.35 So it wasn't anything to do with rotation. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 562.35 565.62 It was f yeah, just the parallelogram. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 548.04 557.86 And basically the parallelogram was appearing in a sort of as a mirror image of what it was like in the uh model builder in the actual yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 568.07 575.57 Must be some way of how the vertices were described or uh defined in one way or compared to something else. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 556.4 556.84 Really? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 562.3 563.5 Just the parallelogram. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 586.41 593.5 I mean the this geometry stuff is really tricky if you don't do the fold the boxes stuff in your head well, so I can imagine. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 575.8 576.41 Right. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 593.5 599.15 'Cause I could get it backwards easily, you know, and so it is just as well for w for you to check this. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 584.66 585.44 Okay. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 585.44 586.41 That makes sense. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 576.41 584.66 Okay, so you your job in this is to um ensure that it actually is a bug and then pass it to Joe? 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 583.94 584.6 Joe, yep. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 598.94 605.44 Uh the other thing we've done is uh looked at n not uh for this current experiment but for future 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 598.28 598.94 Yes. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 610.75 620.46 uh something like X. fig uh can output the vertex points um for creating the air the actual polygons in the first place. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 626.84 628.33 So you need to draw them in the first place. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 628.33 628.68 So 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 605.44 610.75 when we've got to build um bizarre parts like air-craft wings and and things 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 593.14 598.28 Well uh mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 620.46 626.84 'Cause the model builder um assumes that there's an existing set of of original parts. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 617.92 618.49 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 617.65 617.92 Uh-huh. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 625.66 627.78 Yeah, so you need to draw 'em in something. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 629.91 631.73 Is that a reasonable thing to do or no? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 627.78 629.91 Oh, so yeah, I suggested you do that in X. fig. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 631 632.21 It it i yes. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 637.98 641.37 Um and then I'll just write in a little script that turns those X. Y. coordinates into a part. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 631.51 631.91 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 631.91 637.98 So so you can you can do it in X. fig, export them as S. V. G., and you just get a you just get a list of X. Y. coordinates. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 636.01 636.69 Yep, mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 641.78 642.25 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 646.21 647.4 So you better check that with 'em, right? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 642.25 646.21 So this is this falls down completely if Nijmegen can't run X. fig. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 647.26 650.01 W or something i i uh uh 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 648.63 651.19 So so long as I've got something that will output S. V. G. . 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 647.35 648.63 Well the thing is it's S. V. G. . 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 650.12 650.33 But 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 651.24 655.16 Okay, but they may need help finding the something if they can't do X. fig, I suppose. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 657.31 661.87 But the there's there must be plenty of Windows things for th that I o output S. V. G. . 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 655.64 657.31 So I'll als I'll also have a look have a look at that. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 655.11 655.64 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 661.87 663.34 Min uh I kno I know I know 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 662.68 663.26 Uh 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 659.81 660.27 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 660.27 662.68 So it must be a some sort of pink package. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 664.29 666.27 I mean well, what kinds of 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 662.9 664.29 Microsoft though? 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 670.14 674.52 Um so, oth but other I I'd b I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a free package for doing it. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 674.52 681.55 Um I ha I have a feeling that the um Amaya, the W. three C. browser, does it. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 681.55 684.1 Have a feeling that that can actually edit S. V. G. files. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 665.66 668.12 Um I kn I know Adobe and things have faculties that do it. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 668.12 670.14 But obviously they're like a few hundred pounds. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 669.82 670.41 Yeah and 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 669.14 669.82 They are the paid. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 675.18 675.52 Uh-huh. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 680.24 680.91 Yep, mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 699.02 705.84 But uh you know, let them let them say they've got a problem before you um spend time trying to figure out what'll do it. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 695.99 699.02 then y you may need to poodle around a bit looking for something. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 683.69 684.21 Okay. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 684.21 688.17 So I wouldn't do any any work to find out what'll output S. V. G. . 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 705.84 706.19 'Cause 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 688.17 695.99 Just ask them, look, you know say we you need something that does S. V. G. and then um if they if they come back and say ha 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 699.12 699.7 Yep, yep. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 701.76 702.03 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 704.55 704.71 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 714.25 715.65 Or something tha you know. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 707.8 714.25 But I thought it was worth before Joe disappears just checking that the model builder's not restricted to just doing the tamgrams. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 705.76 705.99 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 705.99 707.8 And it's not it's not an immediate problem anyway. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 715.65 718.68 So uh no it does look like it's uh M. S. N. . 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 706.03 706.66 Yep, fair enough. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 714.72 715 Uh-huh. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 715 715.49 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 718.12 727.46 Oh, so well I can imagine there being uh shapes that you could construct in S. V. G. format that would fox the model builder in some way. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 727.46 731.59 I don't know, I mean it 'cause you don't have specs about what sorts of shapes are allowed, right? 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 732.33 735.87 Um no, but as long as they're solid polygons it should be alright. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 736.61 742.57 Um right, it doesn't matter whether they're um convex or concave in funny ways. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 740.82 745.92 Uh no, it sh well uh uh hopefully that's not what the parallelogram problem is. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 749.45 751.82 But uh no, as far as uh I mean it 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 745.92 749.45 Because it it does have sort of sum of angles and things. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 748.21 749.31 Yeah, ex 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 757.9 759.6 So it it handled that fine. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 763.25 764.93 So I'll just have to have check that. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 759.6 763.25 Um it didn't have any self-intersections, so that might be a problem. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 749.46 750.21 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 764.93 765.25 But 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 754.73 757.9 but it just it it just just happened to be a convex part that I was that I was I was playing with. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 750.21 754.73 Um when will yeah but no I'll I'll create a c I'll create a convex part um just so next week um ju yeah 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 755.63 755.8 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 754.21 755.63 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 755.55 755.79 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 754.85 755.55 And you tried it. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 755.79 756.16 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 759.7 760.02 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 758.45 759.7 Or part of it was convex. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 765.95 771.21 Would we want by self-intersection you mean you could 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 772.36 774.06 Um s so it's sorta like a b 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 769.6 772.36 Yeah, by by a by a part of it crosses over itself. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 772.84 773.63 You mean like 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 784.98 785.32 But 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 779.07 784.98 'Cause they'll have they'll have to have a central point anyway for for rotation and and grabbing. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 772.95 779.07 I y yeah, but that's why uh we no, we'll only be working as I say with sort of solid obvious polygons and as parts. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 779.34 779.59 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 779.59 780.03 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 783.99 788.72 Well but by self-intersection here, I'll draw here, if I can find the right end of the pen. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 790.86 792.32 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 795.05 796.32 'Cause that's two parts for you. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 788.72 790.86 Y do you mean something like that? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 792.32 795.05 A and you can rule out something like that, right. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 790.53 791.43 Yeah, that sort of thing. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 792.16 792.83 So 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 791.43 792.16 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 791.07 791.74 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 794.91 797.94 Well uh uh realise what we're I would consider that two parts, yep. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 798.66 804.29 Um I mean you know, some f rainy day you might wanna think about 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 797.9 798.66 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 807.32 812.02 I mean it you know, later on we can fix it if it if it turns out those parts it's not urgent now. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 806.48 807.32 Well, I don't know. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 812.02 814.81 I think this isn't important enough. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 814.81 815.07 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 807.46 807.71 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 807.71 810.27 If if it if it becomes a yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 812.24 813.01 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 813.01 813.23 Yep. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 841.99 846.44 So um but yeah,
EN2009b H00 MEE095 838.36 841.99 so so so as long as they're they're drawn well enough, it should be alright. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 814.18 814.98 Yep. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 814.98 820.55 Yeah, so for now we'll just just assume that non-interse non-intersecting um and um yeah 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 833.56 838.36 So so uh, yeah, so as long as long as they're yeah,
EN2009b H00 MEE095 820.55 825.41 and then there's this at the moment the e the S. V. G. stuff can output ones which aren't closed polygons. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 825.41 833.56 But um ones ones you ones that actually had turn up into parts list uh it creates a closed polygon by linking the l end point to the start point. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 846.44 852.88 suppose let Nijmegen uh find their find their own S. V. G., sort of find something that does S. V. G. and then we'll see if there's any problems. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 831.7 832.9 The last point to the yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 835.13 835.47 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 833.28 835.13 Yep, mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 842.16 842.37 Uh-huh. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 845.28 845.5 Yep. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 851.56 857.7 But but but if they have trouble, you know, half an hour googling and helping helping them is probably worthwhile. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 857.7 864.49 'Cause someti sometimes people I mean it actually I would e I wouldn't expect them to have any trouble finding something 'cause J. P. is quite up with all the all these things. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 864.49 867.88 So Um are th 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 850.35 851.56 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 850.84 851.55 Yes, yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 857.83 858.37 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 863.04 864.51 J. P. is quite yeah, uh-huh. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 865.3 865.56 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 867.3 872.67 But it mi it might be worth just checking what software they are using 'cause it might crea it might create outputs slightly different from X. fig. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 872.67 873.02 So 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 900.29 906.55 So Um but in my uh you know, I mean, they sh that should be if 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 872.66 880.29 Well, you let's um encourage them not to use um any software that might have idiosyncratic ideas about what S. V. G. is. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 880.29 881.59 She says delicately. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 887.96 900.29 I I have no idea whether they have idiosyncratic S. V. G. output or whether but um their track their track record could uh on some of the other standards has not there have been slightly strange things about it. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 881.59 887.96 I have no ooh, that I wasn't gonna say. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 881.11 883.87 Yes. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 883.87 886.09 The Microsoft version of S. V. G. or something. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 886.09 889.14 Yes uh-huh. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 893.05 894.49 I have no idea either. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 894.49 894.64 Uh 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 901.36 901.62 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 915.54 915.83 So 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 910.65 915.54 Um so I'll I ca I can easy double-check if uh Nijmegen can't find anything. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 907.19 910.65 Yeah, I think it does S. V. J. uh S. V. J. output. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 906.29 907.19 That should that should be fun. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 914.87 915.17 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 919.38 921.23 I haven't looked through other mail. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 922.42 927.69 Is there anything they're waiting on from us that is a problem or i they reasonably happy at the moment? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 917.35 919.38 Um yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 921.23 922.42 I did see something from Marloes. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 927.58 932.45 Uh I think they've um they're not waiting anything from us. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 926.65 927.58 Nope. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 954.23 959.57 But I've moved well, I haven't moved it, I've copied it onto the C. S. V., yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 948.27 954.23 Uh they well, they dumped it on the mm B. S. C. C. W. server. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 943.51 948.27 Uh but they haven't done anything with it other than dump the data. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 943.33 943.51 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 932.45 943.33 Uh they've dumped the pilot, the pilot studies that they generated based on the task with their English participants, or English speaking participants. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 943.49 943.96 Oh good. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 942.37 943.49 Oh, they've done the pilots? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 947.98 948.88 Where is it dumped? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 946.77 947.98 Dumped the data. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 952.22 953.12 B. S. C. W. . 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 974.78 978.86 But you know, that's not that's not fast enough for little things like this. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 958.11 958.83 Well that's okay. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 961.38 963.05 And they have to get out to us some way. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 958.83 961.38 You know, we're not using that much space if it's just for interim. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 978.86 981.03 So I think B. S. C. W. is the right way to exchange these. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 963.05 974.78 Um uh we had a uh brief discussion just before I left about uh this idea of exchanging data by fire-wire drive and I do I don't know if that ever got resolved. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 981.03 984.35 We just have to wipe this stuff off and keep separate copies after that. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 962.61 962.85 Yep. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 974.97 976.5 Nothing further is 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 980.55 983.08 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 983.08 983.21 Uh 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 979.55 980.55 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 979.28 979.55 No. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1005.78 1009.42 Well yes and no, as in yes, it's new, and no, I haven't got a problem. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1013.81 1015.33 Uh y yes. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1002.93 1004.23 Yep. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1011.64 1012.67 Oh so far. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1012.67 1013.62 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1015.33 1022.9 Uh and I am just using it through um a Windows bolt-on sort of piece of software. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1004.23 1005.78 Nope. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 984.7 1002.93 And I've uh sent a thing off to Marloes talk trying to encourage her again to register for the C. S. V. and uh and what to the C. V. S. and uh wha what to do and uh which bit of software I use that seems to be quite easy and simple. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1013.62 1013.81 Uh-huh. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1009.42 1011.64 Yep. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 993.19 993.88 The C. V. S. . 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1005.82 1006.37 Well good. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1004.82 1005.82 Okay. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1001.35 1004.82 Oh, so you're managing that okay, and you haven't run into C. V. S. before. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1008.64 1009.22 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1010.73 1012.04 Well that's that's reassuring. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1012.44 1013.96 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1013.96 1016.61 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1013.6 1017.13 Course he's sitting on the next desk. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1023.15 1025.71 Yeah, but other than that that was easy enough to install though, wasn't it. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1025.71 1026.78 It was yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1025.83 1026.33 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1034.24 1034.58 That's it. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1026.33 1034.24 No I've just yeah, straight-forward and then you just right right yeah, r and right click things in in Windows Explorer. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1028.75 1030.78 Copy and paste the stuff out the off off the Wiki. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1030.78 1031.16 So 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1035.11 1035.36 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1038.36 1038.93 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1038.93 1044.49 Well, she'll have to u use the C. V. S. eventually 'cause we don't really have a good way of doing this otherwise. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1044.49 1044.73 But 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1060.83 1070.08 So Not yet, I'm afraid. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1045.4 1046.36 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1058.14 1060.83 So they shouldn't have any trouble accessing it once they've got the log-ins. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1052.55 1058.14 Um on Thursday I managed to managed to get in and just just check the stuff and make sure it was all make sure th make sure ma make sure I could access it. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1046.36 1052.55 Yeah, I mean uh also double-checked in that we're not gonna w could access the C. V. S. from home when I was working from home last last week. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1056.54 1056.68 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1064.63 1070.72 Watch, I'll find out he's got a better computer at home as well, right? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1060.78 1064.63 Well that's it, we'll never see him here again. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1061.1 1064.7 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1064.7 1071.14 On a day like this I know it's a yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1073.96 1077.74 Right, and what about um the project as a whole? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1077.74 1082.65 Is there anything that Ruud or anybody is after that we aren't supplying? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1082.65 1083.56 Not at the moment, right? 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1088.42 1093.36 I don't know what real purpose of uh these little folded up A. four fliers. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1083.36 1084.17 Not at the moment. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1093.36 1100.63 Uh there's been bit of uh are they just for distribution at conferences and things? 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1084.17 1088.42 The only thing that's been going around is the version of the flier. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1100.63 1101.43 Or do they uh 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1082.03 1083.36 Mm no. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1096.58 1096.97 So 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1093.78 1096.58 They're they're critical the to the success of a project. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1101.92 1104.21 Y uh yeah, and general places. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1107.81 1108.09 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1104.21 1107.81 But yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about it unless they ask you for specific input. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1128.5 1129.51 Coming back on the Friday. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1106.29 1108.02 Well I I'm not really bothering. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1108.02 1113.58 But it there's that's what's circulating around the the group as a whole at the moment. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1113.58 1123.98 Um I've sorted out uh travel et cetera to Munich for e for Ellen, John and myself. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1129.51 1130.83 the sixteenth, yes. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1123.98 1128.5 And we're all off on the fourteenth of December. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1105.9 1106.29 Right. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1109.71 1110.59 That's what's circulating. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1112.59 1112.86 Uh-huh. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1120.42 1120.97 Oh yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1128.45 1129.35 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1130.24 1130.97 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1130.97 1131.58 Oh that's good. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1129.35 1130.24 And John's going. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1135.03 1135.36 So 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1133.3 1135.03 He'll be useful for the W. P. seven stuff. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1140.04 1143.44 So 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1136.69 1140.04 Well while you do that I'll be trained in how to hire people. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1140.24 1148.43 That's a so that's How to hire or how to interview, is that that uh book. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1150.3 1151.02 So 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1146.52 1150.3 Uh both. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1156.71 1160.6 What have you got on for the rest of the week besides getting this stuff up and running again? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1154.04 1156.71 So is there anything else? 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1160.92 1166.28 Uh well on once uh once I've tried out the Camtasia stuff, I'll see if the if there's any problems, gonna tr gonna try and fix them. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1176.83 1179.6 So it's ba based on some stuff you put on there on the G. D. F. specification. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1166.28 1167.21 If there isn't any problems 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1167.21 1176.83 next time I'm working on this uh G. D. F. stuff um so so I've I've I pu uh put on a D. T. D. and a sample X. M. L. file on the Wiki for the G. D. F. . 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1179.6 1180.04 Um 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1170 1170.58 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1187.32 1187.81 So 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1178.18 1180.32 Right. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1184.29 1187.32 I mean I sort of wrote the initial draft of it, I suppose. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1180.32 1184.29 So are you concerned about it that I should be looking at it or you happy with it? 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1184.63 1185.13 The 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1187.38 1189.86 Yeah, I mean with I cha I changed a couple of things from your original draft. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1193.83 1196.52 So just put a start and end time on each part. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1189.86 1193.83 Um so there's not uh there's no longer a separate thing for creating new parts. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1196.52 1197.76 Uh so 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1197.82 1200.57 Um uh slower. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1199.49 1205.55 So the the you you you had a you had a thing call I think it's mould or so or something that you said which is sort of to create a new part. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1213.53 1216.35 So I'm not su so I'm not not sure if you wanna keep the mould or not. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1207.24 1213.53 Um but I th uh I've I gave each part a start time and an end time um so you can see when the parts were created. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1216.35 1217.04 Uh 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1205.55 1207.24 There's an action to create a new part. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1205.69 1206.03 Uh-huh. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1213.77 1214.14 Okay. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1218.28 1221.3 I can't remember um how this works now 'cause it was a while ago. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1216.86 1218.28 Um I'll have to look. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1221.89 1225.35 Yeah, but it's it's just the G. D. F. specification page on the uh on the Wiki. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1226.78 1227.74 So 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1239.18 1242.2 Huh. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1228.81 1233.54 I've uh I mean I'll try try to put in justification for for the change that I made uh on the page. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1233.54 1239.18 So um but I've I've sent it out for review so that s anyone who is gonna using the format can have a look at it. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1294.58 1300.47 Um so it you know, we can do things more informally where f you feel the Wikis are getting in the way of things. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1241.61 1244.03 So i best for for us for me to do that. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1263.55 1270.02 So I mean this this might be a good case for or it might uh or it might be that you should just like, you know 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1280.17 1283.07 then then you don't necessarily wanna do it. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1270.02 1280.17 talk to me about this stuff if I happen to be around at the time that you're doing it and not y so i if the writing stuff down on the Wiki gets to be too high a proportion of things 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1289.22 1294.58 especially in in big dispersed groups, but this is kind of a smaller group. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1252.97 1263.55 But um we don't we also don't want um to burn too much of your time recording stuff that that nobody's ever gonna look at necessarily. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1283.07 1284.17 You do you know what I mean? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1244.03 1252.97 I i um yeah, i I mean it's really good that you're y um putting things out for for review and saying like why for stuff. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1284.17 1289.22 The so um I th I think it's great to have the records and that's really important,
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1300.47 1300.89 So 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1238.41 1241.61 Yeah, and you'll get nothing back unless I look at it, right? 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1283.99 1285.64 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1283.33 1283.99 Right. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1285.64 1286.69 Mind, when the 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1286.58 1286.99 Spend. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1286.99 1287.41 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1300.57 1302.69 Well the ones that this stuff, I mean, is it's helpful. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1309.48 1310.3 Um so 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1300.08 1300.57 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1302.69 1309.48 It was helpful for me to putting it up on the Wiki 'cause I could actually thin think about it as I put it up and say well this is this is why and th this is why I wanna do things this way. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1309.22 1314.26 Oh yeah, it well if it aids you in thinking to write it down, then definitely write it down. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1320.13 1322.54 I mean I w I wanted to make sure that um 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1316.47 1320.13 Um I can't actually remember uh i how it worked with the the moulds. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1314.26 1316.47 'Cause, yeah, we want clear thinking. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1312.5 1314.74 Yep, yep. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1316.53 1316.91 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1324.38 1325.57 No, I can't even remember. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1327.27 1331.4 Uh but uh I'm sure it's fine 'cause um it's just my memory of things. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1325.57 1327.27 So I'll I'll look at it. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1326.12 1330.37 Well mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1327.26 1328.04 Fair enough, fair enough. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1327.08 1327.26 Yep. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1332.21 1348.31 Uh what el uh well I'll have to get to grips with cra Camtasia uh properly uh to generate a little sort of introductory video I suppose uh for instructional purposes at the beginning of the experiment. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1348.31 1353.68 So people will be able to see uh and so that the p you know, example movements uh and things like that will be 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1338.26 1338.56 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1348.24 1348.39 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1349.56 1350.41 Oh yeah, uh-huh. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1368.03 1369.41 yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1370.78 1383.55 you could just have sort of well the I think we discussed having it with an English voice-over or having it with no voice-over and then having it w just with cartoon noises or something like or you know when things break. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1369.41 1370.78 And uh and so, you know 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1383.55 1387.28 So to emphasise the I may be imagining it. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1355.12 1368.03 So um is that gonna have a voice-over or is it we had discussions before you started about whether it should be completely silent so that they could use in case we ever wanted to do this in in Dutch 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1353.95 1355.12 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1366.79 1369.3 In Dutch as well. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1369.3 1370.99 Um well 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1382.61 1383.19 Oh. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1382.08 1382.61 Oh right. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1383.75 1385.62 Uh no, that must have been before me. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1383.52 1383.75 Right. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1383.19 1383.52 Huh. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1385.62 1388.78 So uh uh uh p it 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1384.24 1384.3 Mm. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1390.97 1393.68 you can have the video and audio stored separately. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1387.86 1390.97 Well uh well I kn I know on Camtasia, if you got a ca if you've got a Camtasia project 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1393.68 1394.42 In which case 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1389 1389.15 I 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1392.3 1392.98 Separated. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1396.39 1396.77 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1393.96 1396.39 Oh, so we could produce a Dutch voice-over for the same thing. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1396.71 1397.34 Yep. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1395.46 1396.71 Yes, mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1401 1404.44 And then they can easy create their audio out of mm from that outp 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1396.59 1396.87 So yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1396.37 1396.59 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1396.87 1401 So so we just ended the just ended the the Dutch stream, yeah, the video and our audio. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1401.6 1402.22 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1414.04 1415.67 Rather than trying to do all at once. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1404.07 1414.04 so the I mean th I don't think I think it'd be more sensible just to do the non the the video part of it first and then you add the voice-over afterwards. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1402.22 1403.46 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1403.46 1404.07 Exa yeah 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1415.67 1416.59 You know. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1404.06 1404.36 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1413.81 1414.11 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1424.53 1427.88 S so that might be another reason for not doing that. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1415.7 1424.53 Okay, the oth the other issue is um uh i if we do a voice-over uh does that affect the language that the people choose to use. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1415.77 1416.27 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1423.74 1424.42 Might use. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1428.88 1436.9 If you start talking about have to avoid or uh yeah, talking about the parts or just naming them or anything like that. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1424.42 1426.94 Or are you going to prime them in any way? 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1436.9 1437.7 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1426.94 1428.88 Doing uh anything with the voice, you know. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1430.77 1432.27 Alignment or you know. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1436.87 1437.54 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1437.54 1441.46 So I think maybe that was another reason for um just having 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1443.11 1452.07 Or or or ding for, you know, you got it or I don't know what. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1467.82 1469.49 Yeah, it's uh 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1466.27 1467.82 Is that really all what happened. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1444.57 1446.25 Okay. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1451.71 1459.75 Uh pro probably actually not even the sound effects 'cause otherwise they'll expect that in the real experiment and that doesn't happen. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1443.69 1444.57 Bef yes. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1446.25 1451.71 Or did no n no noise in fact I think is probably uh Yes. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1459.75 1466.27 So if they make move a piece and it breaks and they don't hear this crash and they go oh, what's, you know what's happened. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1444.59 1444.74 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1451.85 1452.02 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1458.36 1459.78 Yeah yeah yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1459.78 1460.87 Well that y 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1460.05 1460.41 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1464.27 1468.73 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1468.73 1474.08 Well you need some way to make sure that they actually notice the thing you're trying to explain to them if there's no voice uh 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1472.51 1472.68 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1473.18 1474.53 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1474.05 1479.46 Well one thing uh one one thing that Camtasia can do, you can have little videos when other haven't gotten got any cameras for doing that. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1479.46 1483.67 But you could like have videos of people click on the mouses and sorta or whatever else, mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1473.75 1474.05 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1484.14 1484.71 Hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1485.05 1493.11 Or or you could just point to you know, have b great big arrow that points at the two pieces that broke. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1489.7 1490.11 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1495.53 1499.76 Yes, I think it can generate uh things. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1495.76 1496.37 You know and 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1501.27 1506.02 So The might yeah, I'm sure there must be a way of putting big arrows ov or whatever. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1498.65 1501.27 You can do yeah, you can generate call-outs and whatever. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1506.02 1506.48 Um 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1502.16 1502.34 Uh-huh. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1505.34 1506.16 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1506.16 1508.67 So you gonna clear or r however you do this with Ellen, right? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1508.67 1511.68 'Cause she's the one that has thoughts about the language and stuff. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1509 1510.43 Yes. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1528.96 1529.2 So 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1510.43 1511.87 Mm mm-hmm, yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1521.7 1523.58 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1516.6 1521.7 But I'll I'll I better I'll I'll remind her yeah, I'll I'll I'll do that. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1523.58 1528.96 Yes, 'cause we've got to think of the instructions and sort of basic introduction to it all as well. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1511.87 1516.6 Yes, but uh or in our discussion we haven't mentioned uh it was assumed there'd be a voice over. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1518.02 1521.01 Oh well remin remind her that there was a question about whether there oughta be one. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1530.23 1530.59 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1546.42 1550.77 Yeah, too too uh it was just in case they had something that what 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1533.02 1540.44 Actually I I did email Nijmegen to ask if they'd had a set of instructions they'd given their participants 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1540.44 1546.42 but it probably I s I suspect so because I haven't had a reply back. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1539.75 1541.1 I bet Marloes just talked to 'em. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1544.7 1546.36 Ah I think it's really up to us to 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1550.25 1555.08 You don't wanna give 'em the specification, you know, 'cause that's in too high-falutin a language. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1548.74 1550.25 Is it hard? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1555.08 1560.4 But um oh, i it can't be that hard to generate something that says 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1554.89 1555.43 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1563.87 1565.25 I'll be straight-forward enough, I think. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1562.3 1563.87 No, that should be a problem. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1565.67 1565.97 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1587.25 1588.69 Or do y do you find it helpful to have it? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1578.21 1584.32 And my son reminded me that he ca hasn't been able to find his tamgram set in a while. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1571.46 1578.21 Oh um uh on my holidays we encountered a children's toyshop where there we there were tamgrams. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1584.32 1587.25 Well uh if not if you guys are using it. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1581.94 1584.45 Alright, you want take it back. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1593.59 1594.47 And there's only a 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1584.45 1593.59 Um oh uh t uh no um th it's not got it's uh yeah, it's i well b actually, I could probably just photo-copy the manual. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1597.93 1598.9 He's got plenty of toys. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1596.19 1597.93 If you if you're using it, keep it. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1598.9 1601.66 If you're not if you're not using it, then I'll take it back. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1593.66 1596.19 Oh, but it's so tactile to have the little metal bits. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1596.1 1597.1 Um yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1621.83 1623.6 It's not quite that they just get harder. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1599.03 1600.74 Right. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1600.74 1602.61 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1612.01 1613.67 Right. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1613.67 1621.83 Um I I was looking at the the complexity sort of uh aspect of the tamgrams in that uh booklet. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1631.28 1640.35 So one page will have sort of parts that are kind of similar to each other and then you move over and there's a different almost type of design or style. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1603.11 1608.96 Uh oh I've hopefully well, I won't hopefully need it for more than another week or two anyway. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1602.61 1603.11 Right. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1623.6 1630.96 It's that they kind of have pages of similar um types. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1640.35 1644.81 Uh so it's not quite as progressive in complexity as uh 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1608.96 1612.01 So as long as you can hold off his No, no. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1630.96 1631.28 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1611.94 1614.87 The the lad has plenty of toys. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1609.43 1611.94 Yeah, y it's not it's not a worry. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1623.01 1623.32 Oops. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1629.99 1631.18 Oh, similar types, uh-huh. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1639.54 1640.06 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1645.49 1649.2 So um how you gonna get your complexity ratings? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1649.2 1649.71 Google. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1645.07 1645.49 Right. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1649.43 1649.53 No. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1650.18 1652.59 Google. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1651.44 1655.5 Is there a big tamgram community that ranks these things? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1655.5 1658.66 Like, you know, that's just one booklet that came with one set of tamgrams. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1659 1662.13 Uh I'll try I'll try. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1662.13 1663.6 You never know what's what's out there. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1657.61 1659 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1662.09 1665.47 Or or is it obvious like when you look at these things? 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1665.7 1677.26 Well uh um I'm hoping the Dutch input will allow us to p sort of have a rough idea of what was the of a suitable complexity for the task. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1676.46 1677.99 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1682.18 1683.47 Fifteen or something. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1683.47 1684.64 No, not even. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1677.99 1682.18 But that still won't tell you well how many tamgrams are there that they're using? 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1683.88 1685.55 Uh no, not even that. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1691.7 1693.79 Uh we've to generate sixteen in total. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1685.55 1691.7 They've of this relevant type to what we're wanting to use, probably three. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1692.35 1697.26 So that's not gonna g so that's not gonna tell you anything about relative complexity. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1691.25 1692.35 Uh-huh. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1703.21 1705.02 Ca uh if you look at 'em, do you just know? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1700.61 1703.21 You still need some kinda scale for these things. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1697.26 1700.61 That's just gonna tell you where in the span you wanna be. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1700.37 1700.73 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1703 1703.87 Yeah, ideally. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1706.39 1708.77 Mm no. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1708.77 1709.37 Well I don't. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1709.37 1717.1 I'm not 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1718.92 1721.34 Or right, okay. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1716.4 1718.92 Can you tell just by looking at these how hard people find them? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1710.46 1711.53 What about him? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1711.53 1714.32 I if h Mister Geometry. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1721.34 1721.8 Well 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1707.06 1707.47 No. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1707.47 1710.46 I would either. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1714.32 1716.4 I mean, you know. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1712.44 1716.13 No, I'm an af afraid not. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1720.27 1720.76 No. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1720.76 1721.81 No, no. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1721.81 1724.78 That's a s that's psychology thing how hard they 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1719.13 1720.27 I wouldn't know. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1721.62 1728.91 Uh I'll tr I'll try the good old Google and see if there is uh if there are some sort of ranking sites or whatever. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1728.91 1729.85 Uh 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1728.84 1733.07 Who is Psychology already uses tamgrams that's still around? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1733.07 1735.73 Mean, people have been using tamgrams for ages. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1735.73 1738.57 So there must be somebody with a folk wisdom you can contact. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1740.68 1742.58 I don't know off off hand certainly. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1739.3 1740.68 I'll try and find out. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1741.96 1742.31 Right. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1742.31 1743.91 I only know ancient papers. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1743.91 1745.12 So like late eighties. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1746.85 1750.12 Uh I'll I'll do a search. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1750.12 1751.94 B um I've not encountered them. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1748.27 1749.59 Do people still use tamgrams? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1752.68 1753.67 So we're very old-fashioned. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1752.32 1752.68 Oh. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1755.25 1759.94 Mm well or maybe they just don't use mm anything like that I suppose for 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1767.91 1768.95 Right. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1760.92 1764.13 Well there was stuff in the seventies and the eighties, right? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1764.13 1767.91 So Since then. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1768.95 1772 Well, the old the old tasks are the best. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1772 1774.91 So I'm not gonna let that worry me. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1764.29 1766.3 But I'm not sure if anything's happened since then. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1776.24 1776.79 Um 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1796.12 1798.33 'Cause this is about the analysis. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1785.04 1790.75 and we were talking about what you were gonna do next after all this stuff was up and the I was gonna look at the G. D. F. spec. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1781.42 1785.04 So uh sorry, that was k I think a big diversion 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1790.75 1796.12 Are the rest of the y uh are is the rest of what you're to do with that software fairly clear? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1798.33 1802.41 You really only need Robin, right, to to specify the rest. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1804.95 1813.36 Um so I'm gonna c basically I've got a the gest analyser's the base the basis for uh um ASCII to G. D. F. converter. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1800.71 1801.15 Yes, yes. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1820.53 1824.47 Um but it does have internal structures will just make it easy to do the the X. M. L. . 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1824.47 1826.28 So so that's that's what I'm gonna look at. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1797.92 1800.71 Yeah, yeah, so this yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1813.36 1818.5 Um so what I'm gonna do is actually create an output uh a G. D. F. output part to it. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1826.28 1830.43 And then once I've done that I can look at the whatever analysis we need to get done out of the G. D. F. . 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1818.5 1820.53 Um 'cause at the moment uh only outputs the video. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1801.15 1804.95 He'll he'll just be working with Robin on what analysis we need to get out of the G. D. F. format. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1814.17 1814.51 Uh-huh. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1823.82 1824.32 Yep, mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1824.32 1824.74 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1835.3 1839.8 w what other th analyses we want o want out of this that aren't settled. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1830.8 1835.3 Yeah, 'cause there were all these issues about how you calculate eye-eye lag and, you know 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1846 1850.3 And I can imagine it's gonna take a wee while to I can imagine you know,
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1850.3 1856.09 so that might be the focus of discussions next week or something, right, that um what need out of this and 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1839.8 1846 But I think um, you know, Robin is the person who knows the most about what's required there. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1834.31 1835.04 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1849.55 1850.73 Yes. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1849.31 1849.55 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1846.82 1849.31 As little as it is, but yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1850.73 1851.15 Have to 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1854.73 1854.92 Yep. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1854.91 1859.88 To try and, yes, and home home in parameters and choose the right sort of settings. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1859.88 1860.63 So yep. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1874.04 1877.24 So so Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1862.28 1863.03 If you get that far 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1860.11 1862.28 Yeah, so you might wanna try and come. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1863.03 1868.36 try and come equipped with a list of the kinds of things you want out of it and and so we can look through and see. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1868.36 1874.04 Um uh y Ellen might have views on what kinds of things once we have a list, right. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1878.64 1885.06 make sure once we have a list of the things that we think we're getting of it that it matches her intentions for what we were supposed to get out of it. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1885.06 1891.22 So um, you know, if we do talk about that, then it might be nice to have her along for it. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1877.24 1878.64 So, but it'd be good to, you know 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1860.43 1861.04 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 1874.77 1874.95 Yep. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1874.91 1876.82 I'm sure she'll have views on it. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1883.62 1883.97 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1918.75 1926.59 But uh it did involve um eye movements and monitoring where they're looking compared to their hand movements and uh that subject. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1899.62 1910.46 It's in the royal proceedings of something or other somewhere based on a um an experiment that had blocks a model,
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1926.59 1927.38 Ballard. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1893.1 1899.62 Um oh, I found haven't fount it physically yet, but uh a reference to uh a ninety two paper. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1916.88 1918.75 Uh just one person at a time of course. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1892.18 1893.1 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1910.46 1916.88 blocks of parts and then an area where people had to build, you know, replicate the model out with the parts. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1916 1916.44 Oh yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1925.51 1925.85 Oh yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1925.85 1926.49 Who is that then? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1928.12 1929.43 'Kay. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1929.43 1932.41 Um are they still in the business? 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1930 1933.03 Back in ninety two. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1933.03 1934.8 Yes, I think so. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1934.8 1936.51 Uh the I'll mm not sure. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1933.87 1934.31 Where are they? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1937.03 1938.62 Okay. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1938.62 1942.96 Well, they might have the folk wisdom on the complexity, right? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1942.96 1944.86 So Ninety two's not that long ago. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1942.09 1942.38 Yep. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1945.74 1946.41 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1950.49 1951.7 Is it. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1954.73 1957.09 Uh that's what I've m I'll have to try and find out. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1946.41 1950.49 So there should still be well Not that on. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1951.7 1954.73 Y uh-huh. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1960.73 1964.17 If not um the National Library is bound to have it. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1957.09 1960.73 Uh Hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1947.76 1951.76 But 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1946.87 1947.76 Well it is really. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1953.08 1954.61 Um is it a paper you can get? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1957.66 1960.25 Well, they still do it for library loans and stuff, so. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1964.62 1965.17 Uh-huh, yep. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1971.74 1980.78 'Cause we want wanna ask Ellen ahead of time if she wants to come along for a discussion about oh well, that's that's fine then. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1969.65 1971.74 So do we think next week that's what we're gonna talk about? 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1976.54 1980.79 She's not here next week anyway. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1980.79 1983.63 It's next Wednesday or Thursday before she's back. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1985.6 1990.81 Oh yeah, c she 'cause she her stuff is getting blocked off the mailing list 'cause she's not mailing from her normal account. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1984.68 1985.6 Okay. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1991.3 1996.55 Oh, is that what yeah, she's got a mm Yahoo account or something that things are getting forwarded to and 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1995.8 2002.31 And I can't figure out any way to just approve messages from her without her subscribing at that account. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2002.31 2002.72 So 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 1994.78 1995.8 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 1999.71 1999.85 Ah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2004.12 2004.49 Um 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2004.15 2005.32 Or or oh well. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2005.32 2007.12 That's only if things haven't been getting through. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2007.12 2010.48 Ah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2011.5 2014.46 It didn't say much. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2014.46 2014.93 Uh 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2008.32 2011.5 There's only one message so far. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2009.38 2010.91 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2019.31 2021.81 Um anything else? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2019.45 2019.73 Yep. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2019.73 2020.37 Anything else? 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2023.79 2029.75 I'll get get working on the Camtasia stuff this week and then so once uh once uh once we've got some some idea about what analysis you want out of this 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2029.75 2032.87 I can think about whether G. D. F. 's got everything we need in it. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2022.08 2023.02 Um I think that's it. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2032.87 2035.29 Um and f yeah, what analysis we can pull out of it. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2023.02 2023.79 And I'll t uh yeah 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2034.91 2040.15 The the there's the provisional list of what we need on the Wiki anyway that I put it up. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2040.15 2040.54 So 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2034.45 2034.91 Well certainly. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2045.69 2046.33 Um 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2039.93 2045.69 So I'll I'll double-check the G. D. F. specification against that just to make sure it's got everything you said that you'd you say you need from that list. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2039.38 2039.93 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2045.57 2049.02 Bu I don't think that list is our final word on things and 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2044.09 2045.57 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2045.25 2045.73 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2052.21 2054.62 Well, better uh Well I don't know when he last looked at it. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2054.62 2056.94 But uh Or when I added it. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2058.71 2063.5 But uh 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2049.21 2052.21 Um well I I added things to it. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2056.94 2058.71 It was sometime in the last two weeks anyway. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2051.86 2052.94 Oh well, maybe it is then. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2056.44 2056.7 I 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2056.52 2056.73 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2059.42 2059.61 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2059.85 2060.6 Uh-huh. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2062.75 2064.85 I mean I'm not gonna have views on this anyway. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2064.85 2071.04 What I'm really worried about is making sure that um there's not big surprises for Ellen and and J. P., you know 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2078.26 2087.82 'cause now is the time for us to be figuring out what we want out of that data and and getting you write the stuff or getting J. P. to write the one-dimensional analyses that he was talking about. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2071.04 2078.04 when they suddenly discover that they're they're assuming some analysis is in there and we didn't didn't put it in. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2087.82 2088.22 So 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2060.6 2062.75 I don't think I was fully paying attention to that. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2078.04 2078.26 You know 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2070.55 2070.92 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2075.5 2076.03 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2073.94 2075.5 That's what they're getting. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2081.3 2081.71 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2082.26 2082.52 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2087.21 2087.35 Yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2087.54 2088.01 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2088.42 2096.67 'cause they I mean we w we got all this in the ASCII format at the moment and it's just a matter of what data do we need to pull out of that into the G. D. F. so I can actually do the proper analysis. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2103.96 2105.08 it has to be G. D. F. . 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2088.26 2088.42 Yeah 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2096.67 2103.96 Um 'cause I think all the answers are gonna be run off the G. D. F. format 'cause 'cause we've decided that if we went and looked well if we're looking at dynamic reasons and whatever else 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2094.85 2095.32 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2100.69 2101.64 Yeah, it 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2103.73 2108.67 It's the it's the dynamic regions that uh I think might cause a bit of trouble. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2108.67 2109.53 But uh 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2109.52 2110.21 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2115.11 2115.48 So 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2110.21 2115.11 Which is yeah, which is why we have to do it off the G. D. F. as as opposed to the E. D. F. format. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2115.92 2116.38 Oh right. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2116.38 2116.63 Okay. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2119.06 2127.37 One is just a straight extraction from the ASCII, and the other one is any post-analysis that that adds information by analysing it. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2116.63 2119.06 So y actually you're breaking this down into two steps now. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2127.37 2127.79 Is that th 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2149.16 2150.17 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2128.01 2128.53 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2137.44 2143.39 And then yeah, yeah, and then on top of that G. D. F. can also it will also have information such as, right 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2133.63 2137.44 So it's just the uh the ASCII file the things like the mouse movements and things like that. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2128.53 2133.63 So so the G. D. F. it's got yeah, so it's it's got uh the all th the stuff on the um E. D. F. . 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2143.39 2149.16 at this point in time they were looking at the new parts area or they were looking at the target. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2163.62 2164.01 So 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2160.23 2163.62 for for whichever bits of analysis you're trying to do from it. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2151.04 2153.56 So the the G. D. F. is gonna have that sort of information in it. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2150.17 2151.04 Um so yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2153.56 2160.23 And then also 'cause it's X. M. L. file, we can then do X. S. L. T. or whatever on to it to get extract whatever bits of data you need for yeah 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2139.66 2140.03 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2137.27 2139.66 Yeah, it's just anything that's got shoved through the eye-tracker. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2149.58 2150.85 So right, yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2147.35 2149.01 Okay, that is post-analysis. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2149.01 2149.58 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2146.77 2147.35 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2160.96 2162.96 That filter Mm yeah, filter out. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2163.21 2164.25 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2164.25 2164.62 Yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2166.07 2167.25 Oh well, that all sounds good. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2168.94 2169.34 So 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2186.03 2192.92 And I'm beginning to think that this is quite a good idea 'cause I worry about not doing the stuff people expect of me. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2170.69 2175.8 I've got o uh one thing to check and one person to ask if she'll volunteer to be a head. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2175.8 2179.02 And as far as I know that's it for me. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2179.02 2180.42 See, I have to explain. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2180.42 2186.03 I'm for for one of my other things I there is now a specific Wiki page that says stuff Jean has to do. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2192.92 2194.73 Much more than the other way around, right. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2172.13 2172.42 Unless y 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2179.31 2180.54 Yep, I think so. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2185.86 2188.42 To do. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2192.5 2193.01 Hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2213.32 2214.98 Into reality, uh-huh. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2208.94 2213.32 Officially. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2193.01 2205.69 Watch out Well I think according to the latest documentation uh you're down for five percent of your fifteen months on this project or something. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2205.69 2208.94 Some b uh JAST report. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2204.02 2204.91 What documentation? 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2207.83 2208.57 Oh, okay. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2210.28 2214.9 Well it doesn't actually make its way into its my salary, I'm afraid. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2214.9 2215.24 So 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2218.49 2219.02 Right. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2218.96 2219.46 But yeah. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2219.46 2221.63 I mean I do spend time talking to you guys. 
EN2009b H01 FEE083 2221.63 2222.92 So you're getting something out of me. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2221.69 2221.9 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2225.01 2230.62 But 
EN2009b H02 MEE094 2224.62 2225.01 Yeah. 
EN2009b H00 MEE095 2224.73 2224.92 Yep. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 6.3 11.22 And I've put you guys on Mondays at this time for my convenience, but it's not like it's important that 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 0 6.3 I mean if you're ever, you know, late 'cause of that, it's not we'll find a way around it. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 0.65 1.32 Yeah, it says 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 4.4 4.84 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 11.52 14.24 Well uh I was expecting to get, yeah, though and I did did make it in time. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 14.24 16.5 But it just just 'cause all the leaves and things. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 11.12 11.52 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 16.5 18.39 Um the stra the trains weren't stopping at the stations. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 18.39 20.29 So they decided to put speed restrictions on 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 19.02 19.62 Really? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 19.57 24.72 Is it sliding past? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 23.09 23.92 Great. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 23.92 25.74 I was th so what'd they have to do, back up? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 20.86 23.09 I really? 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 31.98 38.5 Um so I had so I had to bus people in from like stations either side. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 43.27 45.27 So 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 38.5 39.21 Yes, yes. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 21.87 22.38 Yep. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 39.21 43.27 But yeah, at l at least it was speed restrictions instead of like trains flying past into barriers and things. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 26.89 31.98 Um the and they're bussing people into station have particular problems on it 'cause it's on a 'cause it's on a hill or something. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 23.56 26.89 'Cause apar apar apparently p uh I'm not sure. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 22.38 23.56 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 32.03 32.69 Ah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 37.54 38.13 Nasty. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 43.56 45.64 Yes. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 44.74 46.24 Go i we're glad they'll look after that bit. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 44.13 44.74 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 47.61 48.31 Oh, f yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 57.77 58.94 Okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 61.17 62.18 Do we wanna look at anything? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 62.18 62.9 It's not up yet. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 60.58 61.17 Uh I don't know. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 67.94 68.59 Skip it. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 62.88 67.94 Still fifty six percent completed. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 68.59 70.97 'Cause I'm just doing a b yeah, disk check or something. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 66.29 66.72 I can 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 71.33 72.34 Oh I don't know what it's doing. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 75.69 76.56 Oops, that fell off. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 77.78 78.66 Doesn't like silk. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 83.26 85.2 Stay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 89.86 92.91 And now we're gonna discover we've got no reason to meet, right. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 92.91 94.17 'Cause everything's going swimmingly. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 91.9 92.08 Yep. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 94.76 96.42 Is everything going smooth? 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 95.51 102.3 Well, you know, apa pa apart from apart all apart from waiting for the get get Camtasia sorted out. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 97.2 99.25 Oh. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 104.1 108.09 'Cause uh I haven't been I haven't read the Wikis in my email since I left. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 108.09 109.97 So um 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 123.47 123.6 Huh? 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 111.95 117.06 So uh 'Cause I've we've been been working on trying to get the X. M. L. stuff working. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 117.06 123.47 So some the ba basically they only had to how the DOM works, um so I can do the next so I can ge generate D. D. F. files. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 126.34 132.08 that's what I was doing the end of last week um just so I know how it all works and figuring out the best way to do things. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 123.6 126.34 Um so so th yeah, so just just been reading through documentation 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 109.55 111.95 Yeah, I haven't I haven't added anything to the Wiki recently. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 137.15 145.69 Uh 'cause I 'cause uh ju just so at least I can see how it works with the H. T. M. L. pages so I can generate um the X. so I can generate X. H. T. M. L. stuff and see how it all works there. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 132.08 137.15 Um but I'm at the moment I've I've been playing with the DOM stuff in Mozilla. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 145.69 149.91 Just 'cause to just see how things work in that um and 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 123.41 123.69 Uh-huh. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 122.93 123.41 Oh yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 132.01 132.22 Uh-huh. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 151.51 159.6 So if it turns out that it's idiosyncratic in some way that teaches you funny habits, then it won't have been a good idea. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 159.6 160.05 So 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 149.08 151.51 Um the oh, well um I don't know the Mozilla stuff. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 159.22 163.6 It well, thing is that the A. the A. well the A. P. I. is standardized by the W. three C. . 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 163.6 166.66 So the A. P. I. is stan is standard between everything. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 166.66 167.54 Um 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 165.64 166.93 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 173.56 174.76 Yeah, it'll be alright. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 176.47 177.95 I believe you now, it's a good strategy. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 174.76 176.47 So okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 166.93 172.2 Uh well y th there are certain companies um that I don't wanna name who don't always get it right. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 172.2 173.56 I c but m yeah, Mozilla. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 170.34 171.58 Uh or 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 186.15 190.48 Um it's ju it's just that that's that's quite a quick way to just to get into how how works. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 190.48 193.65 Because I can just quickly generate quickly generate a web page and then just add and take yeah 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 175.9 179.02 It it just has a couple of yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 184.33 186.15 So I was doing the is anyway. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 174.68 175.61 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 196.95 197.44 So 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 179.02 184.33 Um well yeah but if they will b but it doe does look like it does does that this is and things like that. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 193.65 196.95 add things to and take things away and don't see exactly what's going on at the time. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 175.61 175.9 It is. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 186.37 186.7 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 197.76 202.28 Uh wh why does it help that it's X. T. H. T. M. L. instead of just X. M. L. ? 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 202.7 208.78 Oh well just 'cause X. H. T. M. L. has a nice you know, you got browsers there, so you can actually see you can actually see directly what's what's going on. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 207.64 212.24 Yeah, but most m most browsers, when when you uh put an X. M. L. file up in it 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 212.24 216.21 it'll just apply some default style sheet to it anyway that shows you 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 221.18 224.09 So it's X. M. L. just with the H. T. M. L. D. T. D. . 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 216.39 221.18 Yeah, well I'll I'm using X. H. T. M. L. uh to deter that's uh all all the web pages are X. H. T. M. L. . 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 225.38 226.14 Okay, yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 230.96 232.26 So just just well just 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 226.08 230.96 Ju ju ju just ba just 'cause we haven't uh we haven't f haven't quite finalised the um the G. D. F. format. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 225.87 226.08 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 234.64 234.91 Okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 231.42 234.64 Okay, so all you're gonna have to do is swap in tag names later. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 234.53 237.39 So all have to do is just change it change that sort of thing so it's uh yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 237.39 238.91 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 234.06 234.53 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 239.53 240.27 I'm sure that's fine. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 240.27 242.59 Like having to uh g it's 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 237.19 239.53 Ev everybody's got their different ways of doing these things. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 240.89 241.07 Hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 241.75 242.01 Mm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 243.42 246.4 That's 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 242.01 243.42 As long as it comes out in the end. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 244.97 248.38 No, I'm just try I'm trying to l think of the things that could go wrong. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 261.67 262.42 Or 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 248.38 254.36 Um but since I haven't tried it this particular way, you know, um but yeah, that sounds good. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 244.5 244.97 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 259.14 261.67 Is that an implicit request for me to do something? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 254.36 259.14 So um i so you say we haven't finalised what the G. D. F. looks like. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 244.73 245.34 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 248.1 248.39 Mm. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 251.65 252.96 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 252.96 253.69 Yeah, but 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 268.33 272.54 you know, what what we need in the in the t um in the output format for the for the task, you know. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 279.66 284.7 And if I find something that you can't get out of it then I can add that to the add that to the G. D. F. format. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 272.54 274.68 So what what you're what you're gonna do the analysis on. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 262.58 268.33 Um that what what what what I'm doing the moment I'm looking through the s the uh stuff that Robin put on the Wiki to say what's,
EN2009c H00 MEE095 274.68 279.66 Um so I'm making sure that I can take get that information out of the G. D. F. as it st state of the moment. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 284.7 285.2 So 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 279.77 279.99 Uh-huh. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 300.56 307.11 And it wasn't uh y I think it was a little bit um confused uh last time we spoke about um whether 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 294.52 300.56 But it's not just a data format change, it's actually some kind of computational process to get the thing out of it as well, right? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 284.72 288.43 As a well, I mean there's two two cases in here, right. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 283.99 284.72 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 288.43 294.52 There's things you can get straight off the original format, and then there's things you have to do some kind of post-processing of the original format. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 300.35 300.89 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 334.24 336.06 Uh so the data format translation. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 308.62 316.56 U whether you consider G. D. F. format to be um the thing that's just the straight-forward translations of what's in the original eye-tracking output 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 329.51 334.24 So y are you working uh actively on this anal these analysis things or you just working on the translation? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 316.56 321.64 or whether like whether the post-processing utilities are a separate step. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 321.64 329.51 'Cause I think you and I had separate different views on this, but I can't remember w who had which view at this point. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 326.92 330 Yeah, well the 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 348.55 360.96 So at the moment I'm looking at act actually the G. D. F. format itself um and then to generate the G. D. F. format I'm gonna be taking stuff out of the gest analyser um and then using a DOM parser to generate uh X. M. L. output from the gest analyser. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 334.86 342.94 Well I'm I'm I'm ju try I'm making sure that the G. D. F. format we've got at the moment will d will output say well I've output old analysis that that Robin's looking for. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 347.07 348.55 Um so yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 342.94 347.07 Um so so I'm using that as a way to to get into ha ha using the DOM things as well. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 359.67 366.27 So you haven't looked at what's in there and what isn't in there that you need to do some really intensive transform to do. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 359.26 359.67 Oh okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 366.27 367.29 Not yet, oh okay. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 384.26 388.92 So it's just a matter of pulling that out and put that into the um into the G. D. F. stuff. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 371.1 373.22 which is what I'll m plan to use that as the basis for it. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 373.22 376.36 'Cause that already that already picks up like target regions, things like that. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 366.38 366.72 No. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 365.64 366.38 Uh no. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 376.36 381.76 So you get so so it knows whether you're looking at a part or whether you're looking at target area or what or whatever. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 366.72 371.1 But uh I'll when and out of the output of the gest analyser does does do some of the processing already 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 381.76 384.26 Um so yes, as long as it got that in it somewhere. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 373.35 373.79 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 381.56 381.78 Uh-huh. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 402.9 409.01 So so you know, the G. D. F. stuff with so i Ellen's view on this is we go through everything in order. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 415.52 419.83 And I'm not sure what else, but we should check what other things were before this on the list of things to do. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 409.01 412.2 Like the priority is exactly the pipe-line order, right? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 412.2 415.52 So um Camtasia you mentioned. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 388.37 388.99 Okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 388.99 394.18 So this sounds like it's under control and you're happy and you guys are telling each other what you guys need to know. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 398.64 402.9 But there was a number of things that came before this, right, that it sounds like they're not under control yet. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 397.19 398.64 You're all fine. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 394.18 397.19 So I don't need to do anything, right. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 396.4 398.58 Uh nope, don't think so. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 398.58 399.19 Um 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 411.47 411.69 Yep. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 414.75 416.12 Yeah, um bu 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 420.29 420.96 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 426.91 430.51 Um now I've got Camtasia running on machines and I think they're set up correctly. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 430.51 434.3 But I can't test it until we get the microphones working. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 420.96 426.91 I um I think the o the only thing I've got left to do before the experiments can be run is get s is get the check Camtasia works. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 434.3 434.98 Microphones. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 426.26 426.94 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 433.58 436.09 Until you get the oh, microphones. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 435.97 436.64 'Cause 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 436.37 438.47 Uh it's batteries we're waiting for. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 438.47 441.78 The they're they're due uh i I was told the beginning of this week. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 438.54 439.17 Batteries. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 442.57 445.36 Okay, uh are they really really strange batteries? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 456.44 459.14 They're probably one fifty each or something like that. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 448.27 455.3 Mm uh uh it's w uh r um a Avril has ordered them from somewhere possibly. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 445.57 448.27 Um th they are quite strange. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 455.3 456.44 N no. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 448.39 449.27 Have you tried Maplin? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 454.26 454.93 Are they expensive? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 459.08 464.61 'Cause you know, like a wee bus journey over to Maplin might solve the problem if it's getting in the way. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 473.39 474.19 Should be today. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 466.42 468 The they should've been here last week. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 465.12 466.42 Uh well hopefully. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 468 473.39 But uh Caroline then phoned up to chase them and they they were s they were told to be here. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 474.44 479.24 So this isn't actually um ruining your schedule for anything, and that's why you're waiting. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 479.88 484.28 Uh r b well we can still test whether Camtasia runs anyway. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 484.28 489.23 It's just the uh whether it's the microphones are picking up things correctly that we need to check. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 506.52 511.77 Fact, I'll see if I can um yeah, it's useful to know who's got a current one anyway. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 513.78 514.99 I guess I don't buy enough equipment. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 489.51 495.46 It is i so it sounds like you're not actually worried about the fact that this is the m yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 495.46 498.37 When you get worried, go to Maplin, okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 511.77 513.78 I don't seem to get them anymore. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 500.19 503.16 Somebody around must have a uh probably Steve. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 503.16 506.52 Somebody in the techie group will have a Maplin catalogue. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 498.37 500.19 Phone them first to make sure that they're in there. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 488.48 489.51 Right, okay. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 493.43 497.47 Not yet, no. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 497.47 498.48 Right. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 506.39 506.76 Mm right-o. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 520.42 522.22 So so 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 518.28 518.46 Ah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 518.46 520.42 Well he must some these days anyway, isn't it. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 521.66 523.05 Of course. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 523.05 523.37 Duh. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 521.1 521.66 Oh yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 529.96 532.47 I actually live not that far from there. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 526.86 529.96 But you'd have to phone over to find out if they have it in stock down there. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 525.04 526.86 So you can find out whether they have it. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 532.47 533.61 Um so 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 525.7 526.16 Virtual. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 529.29 529.82 Yep. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 550.66 551.88 Except you don't know your way around. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 542.9 550.66 Uh w but then again, it's also very close to Haymarket, so it's even less of a diversion for you, probably. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 535.16 542.9 it would be a half hour um diversion from my morning routine to pick up stuff. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 541.07 543.19 Uh right. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 543.19 544.07 But what we're 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 546.34 546.79 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 546.79 547.99 So we all got off easy. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 551.12 552.25 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 560.13 560.52 I'm a geek. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 560.52 563.24 I know where I know where Maplin is. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 552.25 556.64 Ah well ca I can easy I can easy get to mapl uh to Maplin I know where it is off I used to live there. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 556.64 560.13 So I know I know where I used to live here. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 556.19 557.52 Ah yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 557.52 559.41 Oh yeah, c yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 560.01 562.75 I I 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 563.47 569.63 I just think well, you know, for the sake of three quid or however many quid it how many batteries does this thing take? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 562.73 563.47 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 569.63 570.5 Doesn't take a hundred. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 569.96 572.13 It no, it's two batteries we need. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 568.4 569.96 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 572.35 574.95 Yeah, then, you know, put your mind at rest. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 581.74 582.39 You know this. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 576.97 581.74 'Cause, you know, you wouldn't want it to be the morning you were supposed to be recording and then suddenly discover yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 579.97 581.54 Uh no no. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 581.54 582.54 No. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 582.54 582.91 Yes. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 580.85 581.02 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 583.29 588.75 Well I suppose I could gi I could give you a call on the way in tomorrow and if th not bi it's not been in your in your f um pigeon hole 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 588.75 591.5 I can easy go off the train and early and just pick 'em up from there. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 593.95 594.48 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 592.04 593.95 Fair fair enough if you want. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 592.55 593.91 Uh check they got 'em first though. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 593.91 595.21 Their stocks are a bit funny down there. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 595.88 596.55 Right, yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 596.55 600.72 Well I'll make sure I make a I'll make sure of I got the f the phone number in my phone so I can call them. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 600.9 607.04 'Cause you know, it's not that attractive an area to walk through if you're not gonna get anything out of it. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 603.83 606.57 All true. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 612.14 612.7 Um 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 606.57 607.54 True. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 607.54 612.14 Um uh it's Dalry road, isn't it. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 616.83 617.76 Ah, it is gonna let me log in. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 612.54 616.83 So of all the things that were on the Wiki do I need to pull up the Wiki? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 621.61 628.02 It's still probably even that angle. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 626.3 630.87 No, I do not wanna change my password. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 636.94 637.53 Um 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 639.54 644.62 But you guys probably know off the top of your head, is there anything else that we we we were waiting on before you could run? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 645.35 646.32 D um 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 644.54 645.35 Can't remember the Wiki. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 648.76 650.46 So all those tasks Craig had when it started. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 661.18 663.95 But I'm not sure if it's the finished finished version yet. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 648.91 661.18 The only thing that well the thing that's holding s me slightly up is um checking whether Joe's f finished that there i there is a working um model builder. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 663.95 665.56 And the the ninth 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 664.14 667.19 Uh his last day was the thirty first of October. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 668.35 670.26 Yeah, he still had n hours left. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 670.26 677.81 I wasn't sure uh if it was down to the number of hours or whether thirty first of October f uh certainly uh uh he right. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 678.88 681.13 Oh, so he's got ours left. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 676.91 677.65 It's ours. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 681.13 684.2 He's behind-hand. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 677.65 678.88 Yeah, it's ours. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 690.47 691.42 So I thought well, I mean obviously if he wants to finish off then you know. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 684.2 690.47 But no, he was billing for he was billing by the hour. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 675.99 676.91 Uh yeah, no no. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 680.82 682.66 I think he's had something like seven. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 691.08 695.65 But uh n I've n ni Nijmegen has gone dead for all those last two weeks. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 696.33 697.29 Oh well they're probably away then. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 698.71 700.93 Well uh it w e e Ellen's away. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 700.93 704.65 N no, um but I think what they had was some big review. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 699.9 701.06 They're really at the same place. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 698.81 699.9 Wasn't Ellen away? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 706.36 707.53 Oh, yeah it could be it. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 710 712.77 So uh the models for 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 706.42 710 Uh a and so I haven't heard anything back from them. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 714.28 715.48 Oh, that's a pity. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 712.48 714.28 Oh, you have no models at all. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 721.07 725.01 So you use X. fig to make the parts and then you this thing. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 717.38 721.07 Model buil builder, that's what I was calling the graphical model editor, right? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 721.03 721.88 Yes, uh-huh. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 724.16 729.3 Well we don't need to um make the the parts are all the standard tangram ones I had before anyway. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 734.8 739.55 Uh but for this experiment it's just the tangram type uh task. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 721.88 724.16 Well no. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 729.3 734.8 The X. fig thing's only when we come to building airplanes and new peculiar shapes. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 729.39 729.82 Oh okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 738.37 738.53 Yep. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 749.02 750.58 Do you want me to check that? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 740.48 745.68 Um I have something in my email about from Joe. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 745.68 749.02 Uh he wouldn't have sent it just to me, would he? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 750.58 751.94 I'm not gonna project my email. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 739.91 740.48 Okay. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 740.58 740.67 Yep. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 749.74 752.68 Um yeah, if you got right. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 760.32 760.74 So 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 754.9 760.32 How r f how recently that nothing I haven't i heard anything from Joe for a a week or so anyway. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 754.92 756.28 I t I'd say you don't be. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 763.69 765.48 I can't remember exactly when it was. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 760.58 763.69 Okay, I think I mighta heard Thursday or something. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 763.99 765.08 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 765.08 766.91 That's that's newer than the 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 779.92 780.79 Uh 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 781.88 782.73 Mm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 796.87 804.16 Um that nothing has I haven't heard anything since from either sort of the Netherlands or from you. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 783.46 796.87 It's the last thing was in sp response to the thing I was saying last week about the parallelogram being the wrong way around and uh w from the model builder to the actual yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 796.01 796.71 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 795.43 796.01 screen shots. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 794.66 795.43 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 806.49 808.63 That's Friday I think. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 815.3 816.25 Anyway, he's in Edinburgh. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 808.63 813.35 Oh, he just wants to know how to get paid. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 813.35 813.58 Right. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 813.58 815.3 That suggests he's done done done. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 804.48 806.49 Okay, so I've got something on the twenty eighth. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 816.25 819.22 So well I suppose he won't come by 'cause Craig's on his desk. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 804.83 805.02 Oh. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 806.09 806.35 Hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 810.17 815.15 Yep. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 820.93 821.47 Oh is he? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 821.47 823.62 Oh no, right okay. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 819.95 820.93 Oh, is he back? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 821.03 822.31 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 822.31 823.42 So 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 824.4 825.75 Well I'm I'm using DICE machines. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 825.75 831.15 If he wants to pop in for five minutes, the the Windows machine is free for him at the moment. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 829.18 833.05 Well, he's just not gonna try to le squat there, that's all. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 844.1 844.52 That's 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 835.32 844.1 Uh well I so the last thing I've got from him about work work was the nineteenth of October that said he uploaded some changes that you wanted. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 847.42 848.92 It was me and him. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 846.02 847.42 Oh, so you didn't get that. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 848.92 850.52 But presumably the he put it on the Wiki. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 850.52 850.84 So 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 852.71 855.17 So he's just telling us 'cause he things we probably don't read Wikis. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 857.97 859.18 And I'll just check. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 859.92 868.95 Yeah, it was after it was after that that uh there was the thing about um w w why the parallelogram was the was a mirror image. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 860.34 861.03 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 869.82 875.94 Yeah I mean I considering we get an email from uh the I think it got sent through saying that he'd updated the the whatever it was on the Wiki. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 875.94 880.68 So you do he'd he'd uploaded a ne a new zip file and overwritten the old one. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 880.68 881.08 So 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 879.23 879.77 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 880.21 881.9 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 888.49 891.11 S I haven't replied to him about um 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 881.9 888.49 Well I I haven't replied to him about yeah, I really don't have anything more more recent from him. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 916.38 922.38 So th the problem is you want you wanted to construct some models in it for your experiment but you were hoping to get some from Marloes. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 893.12 895.46 you know, how to submit costs and stuff like that. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 906.36 910.07 And then of course any problems that remain you inherit. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 895.46 900.18 So um but that suggests he's at at the end of things, but w we could just ask him. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 910.07 916.38 Uh right, you know, it's worth taking a look at what it does and making sure it does what you want, I guess. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 903.55 906.36 'Cause um it's worth you guys knowing. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 900.18 903.55 I mean maybe you guys would just wanna ask him directly you're done done, right? 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 910.97 911.23 Yep. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 920.22 920.62 Yes. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 927.96 935.2 'Cause they d they d have actually run things and to uh get an idea of the sort of style and to check that they'd be alright. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 935.2 937.18 But all very quiet. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 922.52 927.96 Yes, or at l least um she was meant to have have some idea of the level of complexity. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 929.64 930.69 Ah yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 940.32 942.57 That's what I do when I need things that 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 937.49 940.32 Right, have you you tried cold-calling her? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 940.53 940.64 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 943.44 951.8 Uh no, it has just been email rather than uh f f the telephone type of uh request. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 951.8 954.2 But 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 950.24 951.3 Ach, try phone. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 953.84 956.29 When i if you get 'em today, when are you gonna start running? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 959.05 962.25 I'm down for a week. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 965.78 966.12 Next week. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 962.25 965.78 What's the seventh is a w a week today, I think. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 966.02 968.07 So you have to be you have to be ready by then. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 965.62 966.02 Oh right. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 968.33 972.13 Um well uh I haven't booked anybody in or anything. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 972.13 975.2 But uh that's when I'm hoping. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 975.2 979.81 We have been of course put back a bit by the eye tracker going down. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 970.2 971.97 Yeah, or re change the schedule. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 974.49 975.2 Right, okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 981.89 982.49 Makes sense. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 980.44 981.89 Uh-huh, yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 983.99 986.62 Um subjects, you're gonna have d 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 984.65 984.91 Yep. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 985.61 991.65 But uh we're we're needing we're certainly needing some data in the bag by the first of December, I think 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 992.43 996.19 So s y y you don't have subjects lined up, but you don't expect any trouble getting them. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 991.88 992.43 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 994.72 994.91 No. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 996.74 999.26 Um hopefully not. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 999.02 999.44 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1000.82 1012.22 The only other slight complication is um which will be b I think brought up at the meeting on Thursday for all the eye tracking users. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1012.22 1015.99 Um uh the lab has been block-booked again. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1011.35 1011.81 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1016.71 1017.29 By? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1017.48 1021.26 Jules from um Psychology. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1037.08 1042.68 So it depends, but I suppose talking to them sometimes solves these problems. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1024.75 1029.24 So they well, they need to be serious about it. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1021.99 1024.75 Um I don't know this person. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1033.26 1037.08 Um well, we kinda paid for the lab. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1029.24 1032.64 Who who's their is that a staff member or a student? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1046.76 1047.41 Is it a 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1032.64 1033.26 Okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1042.68 1046.76 Um you might it depends on what sort of staff member is it? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1028.04 1029.04 Have di 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1031.54 1031.82 Yep. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1047.45 1048.04 Lecturer. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1049.55 1053.53 Um I mean presumably he or she is not running subjects the entire 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1048.79 1049.55 Right. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1055.13 1068.05 But uh it's sort of quite solidly booked uh for f certainly w what six days from ten till five for two or three of those days. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1054 1055.13 Well presumably not. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1056.82 1057.8 Block book for how long? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1064.77 1065.07 Uh-huh. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1069.47 1073.58 Um so uh um Ellen's still out of town, right? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1068.59 1069.47 Uh-huh. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1073.58 1079.3 It's just uh y you could try calling this person and see how this works. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1089.22 1091.97 And since I don't know the person, I can't tell whether it's one of those or not. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1081.69 1089.22 Um it's just sometimes uh academic staff have a bit of a chip about um research staff. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1079.3 1081.69 Ellen might be more persuasive. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1091.81 1098.88 Um I wouldn't I no I can probably at least email her and ask her uh if she's really needing it all that time. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1116.3 1116.61 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1114.2 1116.3 At the moment, there's just a booking system. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1099.99 1102.75 Yeah, and then escalate, I guess. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1108.67 1111.94 So I have no idea how the booking system works. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1111.94 1114.2 Well, you're discussing it on Thursday, right? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1099.65 1099.99 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1102.75 1108.67 But uh, you know, or whether they can be put off for a little bit or something. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1112.69 1117.11 I i well yeah, at the m yep. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1117.11 1119.59 When people just uh if they can log on to it can book it. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1120.53 1120.93 Yep. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1120.93 1123.43 Well that's that's one to raise at the meeting. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1123.43 1131.6 Um I v might talk to Ellen about that ahead of time 'cause uh they may have she and Martin may have had discussions about appropriate use of the lab. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1122.72 1123.16 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1130.21 1134.32 Uh i th in theory JAST is meant to have it every morning. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1136.53 1140.98 Yeah, but I g don't you guys set up for isn't block-booking more appropriate? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1140.98 1141.76 Because 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1135.4 1136.53 Oh really? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1143.07 1146.58 I i isn't there set-up involved in changing around for somebody else? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1148.02 1157.47 Um but it uh there shouldn't be any changes in the physical connections or or anything. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1157.47 1157.67 No. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1155.83 1158.09 Or in the software or anything? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1155.46 1155.83 No? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1158.09 1158.5 Okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1160.08 1163.53 So there's no cost associated with it being mornings or afternoons. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1173.58 1174.48 It's just the 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1164.17 1165.36 Uh no. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1165.36 1173.58 that as long as p other people don't for some reason, I don't know, disconnect some bits of the equipment, there's no reason why they should. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1174.61 1181.92 S so in the worst case um you may be able to make an argument if you actually need that week that you can collect in the mornings that week. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1173.57 1174.61 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1181.92 1184.3 Is this something that's known outside Ellen's head? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1184.65 1190.24 Uh yes, it's um it's on the p uh it's not on the booking system. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1190.24 1194 It's on a web page that Frank created about the lab. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1201.08 1201.52 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1194 1201.08 Which I don't know if anybody actually knows is there. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1186.76 1188.15 It's on the w booking system. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1193.89 1194.4 That's something. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1193.5 1193.89 Oh well. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1199.09 1201.63 Well, most the time to to p yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1207.01 1209.18 But you would anyway. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1201.63 1204.76 So it sounds like you've got a lot of possible ways of getting what time you need. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1204.76 1207.01 Of course try to be kind to other people. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1209.18 1209.54 So 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1197.78 1199.09 Uh-huh. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1199.41 1199.6 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1208.9 1209.19 Yep. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1219.33 1222.64 And otherwise no sweat, you're happy. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1213.54 1219.33 So those are the only things that are worrying you, Camtasia and lab access. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1228.78 1238.42 I've got to get Camtasia working um as a sort of little multi-media thing to generate a video of how to mi sort of a an instructional video. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1223.75 1225.24 Should should be. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1225.24 1228.78 I've also got to get Camtasia we well, yes the m the model builder. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1226.18 1227.58 Oh and the model builders, yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1239.04 1239.59 H uh-huh. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1238.39 1239.04 Oh yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1241.21 1241.48 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1241.28 1242.92 These this is gonna take a little while. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1244.33 1247.04 It's what I'll have to do this week. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1246.23 1246.51 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1254.82 1255.63 So 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1246.33 1247.04 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1247.04 1250.9 Well when the whole thing was if it was gonna run a trial that'll give you some some screen shots to work with. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1250.9 1254.82 And then it'll just be a matter of adding new video f mouse movements or whatever. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1251.03 1251.43 Hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1264.35 1265.05 Yeah, okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1260.81 1264.35 you were just g really gonna run a video of the sep of the trial. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1255.83 1260.81 Yeah, but you were gonna try and figure out how to overlay something on top of the video that or no 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1265.05 1266.09 That's that's much easier. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1260.8 1261.17 U 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1263.99 1264.9 Yep, yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1278.16 1278.48 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1268.88 1271.97 So um with the model-builder, what do you need to do with it? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1271.97 1278.16 Th the um which one you is gonna look at what it does so far and you'll just t try out do that. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1277.52 1280.02 Yeah, and just yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1280.02 1280.58 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1276.32 1277.52 Uh I'll I'll do that. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1285.41 1290.65 So if if you just put just put whatever recommendations, bugs on that page and I'll work through them read 'em as and when I can. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1279.3 1279.85 Uh have a look. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1279.85 1285.41 If you th anything prob any problems with it um think there's a Wiki page up for that f for that piece of uh for yeah, for that thing. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1285.31 1286.28 Mm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1289.19 1292.78 Have a look at uh um hopef hopefully there's not a p a problem. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1292.78 1300.96 But uh they said Marloes was uh also meant to be checking it and doing things and quiet. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1291.29 1291.59 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1293.86 1294.08 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1300.2 1301.78 Uh-huh. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1305.99 1307.35 So are you suddenly gonna be 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1301.78 1305.99 Um how many models were you relying on her for? 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1301.98 1302.56 Um 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1300.53 1301.98 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1305.76 1310.22 Um I've I uh it hasn't been divided up in that sort of way. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1310.22 1310.55 But 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1309.55 1314.91 Well, what I'm trying to get at is is your start time gonna be delayed 'cause you don't have the models ready if she doesn't come through? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1315.44 1323.97 Um depends how quickly I manage to get a grip of it, how long it takes me to generate them or how I get on with the Camtasia. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1326.82 1327.56 Well 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1325.28 1326.82 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1324.88 1325.28 Uh-huh. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1326.82 1327.54 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1327.54 1329.07 Un unsure of yet. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1326.95 1327.2 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1330.07 1332.96 Um can you draft Craig in to build some if necessary? 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1338.5 1338.83 Uh 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1333.83 1338.5 And like these yeah, I mean I've used the software and there's not that hard I mean. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1354.14 1355.53 So yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1352.81 1353.87 No quite quite right. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1352.02 1352.65 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1353.87 1354.14 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1341.58 1352.02 Just checking that the they're of a suitable level of complexity or or of whatever. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1338.28 1341.58 It it shouldn't the there shouldn't be any great uh problems. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1352.65 1352.81 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1347.68 1350.41 Well you know me contingency planning and all this. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1350.41 1354.73 I always worry about the worst. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1346.7 1347.68 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1347.43 1347.72 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1353.05 1353.67 If 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1359.23 1364.3 I mean I can easily just well however many thousands are on that uh Dutch web site you found. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1373.71 1377.46 So but it's a matter of choosing which ones you need to do. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1379.88 1380.41 Well yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1371.44 1372.35 It's pretty mechanical. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1372.35 1373.71 I can easily d easily do that. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1380.41 1382.81 Yeah well you need to you you and Marloes need to sort out, yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1377.46 1379.88 Which I guess you have to do. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1364.3 1369.38 Just, you know, pick pick some of them, redo them in in the Ja in the J. C. D. format. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1369.38 1371.44 That's yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1356.67 1359.23 So well I can't imagine the building the building the mold is gonna be that hard. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1356.49 1356.67 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1382.59 1383.69 Yeah, exactly. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1378.52 1382.59 well I was hoping for some feedback from yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1376.56 1378.52 Um yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1388.58 1391.52 You know, i if it's not that see, you know 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1402.13 1405.31 We're gonna talk about it, you know, Tuesday, at such such a time unless you 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1397.69 1402.13 But, you know, the next the next escalation is saying no we really need to talk about this. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1384.13 1388.58 You can um call a JAST telcon between you and Marloes. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1391.52 1397.69 with the cold calling you can usually at least find out whether they're alive and get an an offer to to get something. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1395.26 1397.5 Yes. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1408.92 1409.28 Right. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1409.28 1412.03 Well, I'll try and get ahold of her again today and see what 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1405.91 1408.92 Yep, mm book a time and I think so. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1406.64 1407.36 um 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1411.01 1413.85 But presumably whatever it is they've been going through is now over. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1420.05 1422.76 Or taking a week off to recover. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1422.76 1424.59 Yes. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1416.27 1420.05 So presumably today they're now free again. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1413.76 1416.27 I think it it was up till the end of October. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1420.79 1421.03 I d 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1419.19 1420.79 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1417.86 1419.19 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1424.05 1427.94 I'd just hate for that to c um to slow you up in collecting stuff, that's all. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1436.18 1438.6 That's that's the pro so uh uh it will be generated. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1438.6 1443.14 It's whether the models are optimal or not that I think that's right. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1428.17 1431.78 Um well hopefully it it won't anyway. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1431.78 1436.18 It's just if I then do it I hopefully will get the right models. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1435.14 1437.97 Obvious yeah, uh okay, that's true. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1437.97 1438.65 Well that sounds 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1440.4 1442.8 That's quite a small thing she can do for you, I guess. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1443.58 1449.94 It's not like, you know, w sitting there brain deadly constructing, you know, some models that she needs to do. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1449.94 1454.32 It's just to provide advice about this, which must take take less time. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1442.8 1443.58 You know. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1447.55 1448.08 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1452.12 1452.42 Yep. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1457.17 1459.55 Well, that all sounds fine. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1460.26 1461.25 You worried about anything? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1461.25 1462.91 We've mostly been talking about the experiment schedule. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1459.55 1460.26 You guys worried about it? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1462.91 1463.15 So. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1468.61 1470.66 So just waiting for the batteries for that. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1475.18 1475.98 Um 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1463.11 1465.05 Um I don't think don't think so. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1470.66 1475.18 Um if Robin's not worried I'm not worried. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1465.05 1468.61 I mean uh so the the major thing I've gotta d got to do is get this Camtasia sorted out. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1470.57 1470.87 Mm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1472.64 1475.71 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1475.73 1480.27 You're gonna run out of things to um f do that we haven't set you up for any time soon. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1480.27 1482.17 The G. D. F. sounds like it might take a wee while. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1480.07 1480.77 Um p 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1487.95 1488.44 And that's 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1482.35 1487.95 Yeah, yeah, 'cause I'll go gotta finalise that format and then once that's done, I've gotta start looking at the analysis side of it. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1486.46 1487.01 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1487.01 1491.77 Well so it was the whole all the dynamic region part of it that's uh 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1491.52 1492.3 Um 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1490.96 1491.52 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1491.82 1494.86 Yeah, but you don't need anything from me for that, 'cause that's already sorta speced. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1494.86 1496.12 I mean again that's the pair of you. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1497.1 1497.91 I think yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1497.91 1499.94 No, the the analysis I think the analysis will take a little while. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1506.96 1508.55 Um but once w 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1504.96 1506.96 Uh whatever makes it easiest for you to do. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1499.94 1502.26 I don't think it's gonna take that long to get its stuff sorted out. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1502.26 1504.96 It's gonna be how to display it and all that sort of stuff. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1496.44 1497.1 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1504.98 1505.51 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1518.05 1520.49 Or will there be times when you don't record all day. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1515.58 1518.05 'Cause you're gonna be completely unavailable when you're recording? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1506.29 1507.52 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1507.52 1515.58 It's just what I'm worrying it w worried about is him being in the lab all day long and you not being sure like what to do for the analysis on or something. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1526.79 1527.43 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1536.84 1541.45 It's uh so some people can, but 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1519.45 1521.78 Uh n um no. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1527.43 1533.51 And before my brain melts it But w when when the experiment's running, yeah, it's I'll be in the lab. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1533.51 1536.84 Uh I can't just go in, let them get start and then come back. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1521.78 1526.79 Uh well it depends how how many I can book in and get get running. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1525.28 1525.52 Uh-huh. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1546.21 1549.29 Then next week you're planning on recording. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1549.29 1553.48 And what happens if suddenly you're unavailable all of next week just when he runs out of work? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1533.24 1533.74 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1533.74 1537.64 'Cause he might oh yeah, no no no, I understand that. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1541.95 1546.21 you so this week he's got, you know, the G. D. F. stuff to do. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1537.64 1541.95 It was it was more like oh, it was more like, you know,
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1535.3 1535.44 Hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1552.31 1561.4 Uh th they'll certainly be time because I'm right next to the lab anyway, I'll come back just to check my email and things anyway, so uh yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1558.39 1559.47 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1559.47 1561.38 So so we'll worry about it then. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1575.24 1580.46 Uh and it might worth seeing if we can add a little part builder thing into the um model builder. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1588.76 1589.13 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1561.45 1566.76 Um yeah, so I still gotta work on the gest analyzer and turn that into the t into a G. D. F. outputter. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1566.76 1570.44 Um and uh oh yeah, and I'll I can have a look at the model builder as well. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1580.46 1588.76 Um just just the ju I just gotta tidy tidy up some the code for generating the parts anyway, the J. C. T. um parts from from S. V. G. s. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1570.44 1575.24 Um 'cause one thing I'm thinking about is w we're looking at the the part building pa type stuff. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1560.03 1561.45 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1566.91 1567.67 Mm-hmm, yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1570.63 1570.99 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1586.33 1588.72 What I do don't know is we wanna bother with a part builder. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1588.72 1591.51 I mean the idea was it wasn't worth the investment, right? 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1610.38 1610.9 So 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1592.2 1595.88 But I'll wanna have a qui have a quick look and see see how easy it is to add this things to it. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1604.74 1610.38 Um so if I if I can use the model builder to automatically do that then that would sa that would save quite a bit of work and it'll d save a few bugs. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1602.69 1604.74 which is what was causing the bugs uh before. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1595.88 1602.69 'Cause um if if I can use it to generate um um the rotsym angle for example and the rotation symmetry stuff for it 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1591.25 1592.2 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1591.8 1592.19 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1604.42 1605.92 Or Do y 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1602.08 1604.42 Yeah yeah yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1604.49 1604.84 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1616.91 1617.99 No, so 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1614.71 1616.91 do they have do you have trouble doing it? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1609.23 1614.71 M yeah, but now now that the guy building these models know that they need to do the rotsym some stuff 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1616.25 1616.53 No. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1617.3 1617.51 No. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1617.51 1619.51 It's uh it's just something you gotta remember once the part's been built. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1619.51 1620.99 So um 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1619.25 1619.68 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1631.08 1637.54 So how how many person days would it be worth, like if Craig discovered it could be done in X. days 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1620.52 1621.02 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1621.02 1631.08 Well g I mean um we might want to um severely cash limit the investment that you put into making a part builder, right? 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1630.21 1630.71 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1630.71 1632.44 Well I'm not not not pl not planning do much on that. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1632.44 1633.16 It's just 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1631.3 1631.59 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1639.72 1642.45 Uh I wouldn't bother more than one or two certainly. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1647.75 1652.13 You you have to understand there's things about this project we've hidden from you so far that you'll have to learn about. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1643.82 1645.93 Don't spend more than a day or two on it. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1645.93 1647.75 Yeah uh 'cause it really isn't worth it. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1652.13 1654.97 So it's it's not like you're out of work. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1642.16 1643.82 Right, so there's your limit. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1645.7 1645.99 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1645.99 1647.78 I mean I've I've already I've already got this yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1651.11 1658.13 Yeah, other I saw saw saw saw something about map task like little further down my task list. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1668.79 1674.27 But um I'm thinking more of the fact that um at some point we should probably tell you about this N. X. T. stuff. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1658.69 1659.32 Oh really? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1659.32 1660.8 Oh, that one'll just be a little add-on. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1660.8 1664.21 That'll whatever it is, it'll be the same skills as you've learned for something else. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1674.27 1674.72 So 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1664.21 1668.79 Um and it'll just be I'm not even sure that's you 'cause I think somebody else is doing that actually. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1664.19 1664.51 Right. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1675.67 1675.78 W 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1674.14 1675.67 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1674.44 1678.2 Yeah, well that that's that's just X. M. L. to X. M. L. to X. M. L., isn't it. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1674.17 1674.44 Right. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1678.2 1680.98 Turning G. D. F. and what other bits into N. X. T. . 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1695.38 1697.84 And um, you know, there's stuff to learn there. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1683.52 1695.38 It takes stand-off links and stuff and it's um some some people if they're not used to linguistic annotation c um uh it c take a little time to get their head around the way the do data data model works. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1697.84 1698.36 So 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1680.64 1683.52 But you know, there's X. M. L. and X. M. L. and, you know. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1679.04 1680.64 Oh, yeah yeah yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1683.16 1684 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1706.51 1709.3 So um but no that's that's fine 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1709.3 1713.74 I'll d I'll have try to find I'll I'll have plen plenty of uh plenty of questions for you once I once I get to the last stage 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1694.95 1696.03 Right, right. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1696.03 1700.96 Um yeah 'cause that's the yeah, o other than you have from what I've heard about it is both X. M. L. . 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1713.74 1714.14 I'm sure. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1700.96 1703.01 So the the programming side of it doesn't sound too hard. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1703.01 1706.51 It's gonna be making sure that it fits what you expect out of the format. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1706.99 1707.26 Yep. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1705.31 1706.99 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1708.73 1709.24 So 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1714.66 1722.11 So just don't witter away, you know, weeks on fripperies when we've got the real me meat of this yet to come. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1722.11 1725.19 We'll find we'll find plenty of really really crucial s things for you to do. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1725.19 1726.44 So 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1714.21 1714.66 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1720.04 1721.16 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1722.2 1722.47 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1721.89 1722.2 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1724.82 1729.19 I don't think you'll be twiddling your thumbs, no. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1725.29 1725.91 Yeah, we'll 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1727.34 1729.59 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1729.59 1734.77 Well the we're gonna get Camtasia sorted out this week and then it's concentrate on the on the gest analyzer, the G. D. F. stuff. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1736.59 1742.38 once once we've done that it's whatever whatever you whate whatever you whatever you want me do once I done the once I've done the G. D. F., I guess. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1734.77 1736.59 Um and then yeah,
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1742.04 1742.51 Okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1742.51 1746.71 So uh I'll uh remind myself to look at what's next before the next time we get together. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1754.75 1760.33 certainly keep me busy until this time next week when we can start suggesting things that might might need to look at for the next stage, I guess. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1748.65 1751.12 Yeah, so I think the G. D. F. will keep me busy for a little while yet. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1751.12 1754.75 So um yeah, well that's yeah,
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1747.22 1748.65 Yep. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1763.01 1764.28 That means you don't wanna meet, right? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1759.92 1761.45 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1761.45 1763.01 So you collect on Monday? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1766.82 1776.61 Um well at twelve o'clock next Monday the lab is technically booked by Jules. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1777.27 1779.07 Oh, r right, it's actually next week. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1779.07 1781.53 It's actually the week that you were planning on. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1779.89 1780.11 It 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1780.69 1787.38 Uh it starts the uh on we this Wednesday and goes through to next Wednesday. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1787.67 1788.24 Oh okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1792.85 1796.7 Anyway um you'll tell me whether it we cancel this. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1796.7 1798.4 Or whether I just talk to Craig. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1790.54 1792.85 Well, I don't know. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1798.4 1800.83 In which case we won't be up here 'cause we don't record twos. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1793.12 1793.66 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1802.1 1802.39 Okay. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1801.43 1802.1 Yep. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1805.08 1806.07 Uh Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1806.07 1810.45 My then other complication is two weeks tomorrow I start my teaching 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1803.76 1805.08 Um what else? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1812 1812.62 That should be fun. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1811.25 1812 Oh yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1812.97 1814.1 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1814.1 1817.33 For I've got two weeks of that, fo four lectures and four labs. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1814.08 1815.5 Let's see, that's like the 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1818.27 1818.43 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1818.65 1820.23 That comes at an ideal time for you then. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1820.14 1823.35 Yes. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1822.89 1824.19 That's like the twentieth or something. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1828.38 1829.57 Monday is the 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1825.9 1828.38 Uh I can't add. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1832.9 1835.69 So it will be the fifteenth for two weeks. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1828.11 1832.9 Uh what's tomorrow, is the f tomorrow the f first? 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1833.14 1833.31 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1832.19 1833.14 For the first, yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1834.92 1835.08 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1835.97 1836.97 Hmm. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1842.61 1844.19 So so 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1836.97 1842.61 Actually yeah, that reminds me, I wo wo I wo I won't be uh on Thursday I'm gonna be over in my induction day. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1841.38 1843.56 Oh you've got your uh induction, that's right. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1846.67 1847.63 'Cause people do ask me. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1844.47 1846.67 Oh yeah, you have to promise to tell us how that is. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1849.67 1851.37 I mean uh I don't it's meant to be that in depth. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1848.64 1849.67 Fair enough, fair enough. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1851.37 1852.95 It's 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1850.55 1854.94 From a total waste of time to, you know. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1849.81 1850.55 Uh yes. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1852.85 1855.61 Yeah, on a scale of one to seven. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1865.86 1866.52 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1868.25 1869.6 Usual sort of stuff you get everywhere. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1863.35 1864.4 I'm sure most of it I already know. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1864.4 1865.86 It's like fire safety. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1866.52 1868.25 Health, safety, data protection. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1856.19 1857.57 I mean I d I don't expect to be that in depth. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1857.57 1860.03 I mean it's fifteen minutes on a variety of different topics. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1860.03 1862.52 So it's just it's uh it is. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1869.6 1869.98 So 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1862.52 1863.35 Uh yes it is. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1854.95 1856.19 Yes, yes. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1861.06 1861.47 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1868.37 1869.67 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1869.67 1873.17 It's probably the university'll cover itself legally, I think, by doing this. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1873.17 1873.89 Uh mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1869.78 1871.51 Yeah, you'd be surpri these things do 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1874.03 1874.59 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1874.59 1874.86 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1877.77 1880.23 I would and I would know somebody who'd gone to know. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1874.37 1877.77 Well, if they were gonna do that then they'd force you to go to it. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1880.23 1882.02 You know. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1882.02 1883.85 I'm pretty sure they didn't have induction in my day. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1883.85 1884.25 So 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1884.15 1886.46 Uh well I don't remember being asked for an induction. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1877.44 1884.15 Uh no I suppose rather than being Nobody's bothered so far, is it. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1886.46 1887.33 So 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1882.03 1882.36 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1887.87 1888.99 But you only started here 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1887.06 1887.87 Really? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1889.29 1889.82 In April. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1890.52 1890.75 Mm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1891.85 1893.07 They were supposed to, I'm sure. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1893.95 1895.84 Yeah, I mean I can remo 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1899.5 1903.15 But that was but that's all. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1894.45 1899.5 I got invited to a um a a a summer garden party for new staff members. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1903.69 1904.03 Oh well. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1912.16 1919.21 And you couldn't do the teaching unless you done the induction because you had to know about health and safety and fire safety before you could take a charge of yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1919.21 1921.98 'Cause you were the responsible person in the in the class room. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1921.98 1923.13 So 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1906.88 1912.16 I mean ha we had the inductions were compulsory because um a lot of students were doing te were doing teaching. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1904.39 1906.88 Yeah, I can remember when I start being a st when I was sta starting being a student. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1917.1 1917.37 Hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1919.58 1919.97 Uh 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1919.07 1919.58 Oh yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1931.23 1933.37 I'll I'll uh give you my report on Friday or something. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1925.5 1929 So But uh yeah, I'm not sure I'm not sure why the why why I'm doing it now. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1930.6 1931.23 so see how it go. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 1929 1930.6 But okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1925.95 1926.23 Yep. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1930.16 1930.46 Uh-uh. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1933.55 1933.84 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1952.46 1957.65 mouse position of the second and, I don't know, a common mouse action there or something. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1957.65 1961.49 Does that t just in in sort of layers like that. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1946.18 1947.3 Is that correct? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1939.66 1946.18 Just hopefully as part of the output it will be something like that. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1935.84 1939.66 I have one N. X. T. question which hopefully won't be well, it's not one. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1947.3 1952.46 So you've got the gaze position of the first person, gaze position of the second, mouse position of the first,
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1938.03 1938.39 Okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1957.35 1957.68 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1960.5 1961.21 Seems reasonable. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1967.54 1970.98 But yeah, they'll all be different tiers like that. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1970.98 1973.49 And then there's the language stuff as well presumably. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1962.94 1967.54 So um it'll be like in uh monitor. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1968.56 1968.72 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1970.19 1970.34 Yep. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1972.72 1973.33 Yes, uh-huh. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1973.33 1976.42 M that's that's just the the eye movement uh other sort of stuff, yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1976.89 1977.78 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1979.13 1979.96 Eyes and mice. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1977.78 1979.13 Well, eyes and mouse. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1975.04 1976.89 Yeah, this is the easy stuff. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1981.7 1981.99 Uh-huh. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1983.96 1985.18 And that's enough for you, right? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1985.18 1988.04 I mean that's just the way you want it. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1989.72 1992.72 But it's the language part that's the hard part. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1988.04 1989.72 Course there are lot lots of things that can do that. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1992.72 1993.07 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1985.61 1989.27 It ho hopefu uh hopefully that's yeah, I guess it's that's why I dre 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1993.93 2000 I was just checking that uh I know the language part because they say L. P. here but uh this would be the the the new part. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1993.23 1993.93 So I was just yeah 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1992.04 1992.99 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2000 2000.59 New stuff. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1992.99 1993.23 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 1991.43 1992.04 As well. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 1998.1 1999.01 Yeah, that's 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2010.75 2011.23 So 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2006.07 2010.75 Well the whatev whatever whatever you're getting out of the JAST analyser. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2001.43 2003.01 That seems fine, yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2003.01 2006.07 Do you know what the um the sets of codes are? 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2001.65 2001.78 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2011.8 2013.14 Uh yeah, whatever that is. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2014.01 2016.8 I mean blinks as well, right? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2017.31 2026.97 Um yes, I'm not sure whether we need to know exactly where they are, just how many there are in each tra um uh p I don't know. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2028.4 2031.75 Uh I mean I suppose it we're as well to have it if we can. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2026.97 2028.4 I suppose it could go in. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2022.25 2024.18 Oh so you don't want a pa uh part of this data? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2027 2027.99 Aye. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2027.99 2028.27 But 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2029.7 2034.01 I think you I think you should well, there's two views on this. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2044.92 2051.86 You can stick 'em in a different um track and uh and then load 'em or not load 'em as you please. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2053.46 2060.58 With is it is it part of so th these are mutually exclusive and exhaustive sets of codes against time, right? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2051.86 2053.46 'Cause it's not well, I don't know. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2038.9 2042.58 But if you don't they'll probably ask about them anyway and then you'll have to add 'em after the fact. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2042.58 2044.92 Uh so it's probably easier just to s shove 'em in. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2034.01 2038.9 Um if you do then the people formulating research questions will ask about them. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2060.58 2062 Isn't blink a part of this? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2038.28 2039.06 Right. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2045.11 2046.89 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2042.67 2045.11 Well uh just say stick 'em in anyway. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2046.89 2047.6 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2060.15 2062.64 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2062.64 2069.62 Um blink would uh uh at the moment just get lumped in with the sort of previous gaze. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2072.54 2076.44 Because when they're blinking, basically it's like an a nil code. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2087.66 2092.64 So it could be that if they only they hadn't had a blink just then, they would've been I don't know what. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2070.96 2071.42 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2079.12 2087.66 So it may actually be important to have the blinks registered in there because you may discover you need to take them into account to smooth some kind of analysis that you're doing. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2076.44 2079.12 You c can't find out what they're doing otherwise. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2071.42 2072.54 But but isn't that important? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2071.58 2071.98 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2077.96 2079.23 The way they're looking, mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2084.73 2085.48 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2094.53 2097.11 M uh yes, mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2097.11 2100.75 Moving somewhere else, or is more likely to be uh 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2102.67 2103.6 I'm thinking more 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2108.13 2109.91 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2102.73 2108.13 blinking at the same time as the other person was doing something, I think to mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2123.46 2128.25 And, you know, there may be times when you wanna treat that as one thing, right. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2114.77 2116.75 I was thinking more like um, you know 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2110.13 2114.77 Oh, I hope n not to much relies on missing stuff 'cause people blink. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2116.75 2123.46 the person looks a p a part and they've got a uh fixation before and after and there's blink in the middle. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2106.38 2110.13 That you wanna know about. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2126.86 2127.78 Yes. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2127.78 2135.92 Norman normally uh would be just, as I say, like add the blink time and duration to the previous fixation. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2136.92 2137.36 Oh right. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2138.35 2140.29 So but in that case 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2137.36 2138.35 Okay. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2140.16 2146.35 'Cause you're not absorbing any new information and that's what the critical sort of deciding factor is. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2156.6 2158.52 You'd want blinks as a separate tier if you're gonna have it in. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2147.59 2154.21 In that case then um these tiers are already like blink corrected. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2154.21 2156.6 And then you wouldn't have blinks as part of this. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2146.46 2147.59 Right, uh-huh. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2153.96 2155.73 Yes, so that they'll include the 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2157.55 2162.19 So i i yeah, would ha it would be as a separate tier where just to mark 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2183.29 2189.09 Um 'cause, you know, it wouldn't necessarily be obvious looking at that set of codes that 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2164.86 2168.98 Yeah, so the key thing is he here is mutually exclusive and exhaustive. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2163.62 2164.86 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2178.39 2183.29 whether any monkey business has been done around the blinks to correct for that. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2168.98 2178.39 And um the second key thing is um it better be really clear to the people who are dealing with these codes um uh w yeah 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2163.8 2165.33 the actual position. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2168.71 2169.05 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2176.92 2178.54 What's included and what's n yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2178.54 2179.44 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2188.92 2189.44 Hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2189.44 2191.8 No, not certainly l not looking at codes, no. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2194.83 2196.73 But 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2192.04 2194.83 Uh yeah, I suppose if you know about eye trackers then you'll just know. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2197.3 2199.09 Know what to look for and what not to, yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2194.78 2197.3 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2195.62 2195.69 Huh. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2197.05 2197.35 Okay. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2202.56 2203.16 Um 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2199.56 2202.56 So so that mean you need the blink corrections part of the analysis then. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2203.21 2206.08 It I think you're just saying it comes out of the eye tracker already, right? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2206.08 2207.23 They're already blink-corrected. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2206.08 2210.02 Uh i there are well they're already identified as blinks. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2216.1 2222.87 The software that I've used uh p pools uh the blinks, so will add it on. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2222.87 2226.03 I'm not sure what the default 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2210.02 2216.1 Then it's uh i it is at th hmm at what stage. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2224.36 2224.83 Right. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2224.83 2229.03 So tha tha that's uh that's for the rest of the stuff that comes the eye tracker, isn't the analyzer software that comes the eye tracker. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2227.63 2229.17 Yes. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2241.71 2241.93 But 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2229.17 2233.23 Yeah, so I'm not su i certainly it's listed as a separate event in the stream. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2233.23 2238.94 Blinks are a tag uh from the E. D. F. and and that sort of thing. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2238.94 2241.71 It's registered as a a detection. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2233.48 2233.83 Right. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2240.85 2243.66 Well i i if if you want if you want the blinks mer merged into a fixation 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2240.4 2240.85 Right, okay. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2251.5 2255.3 So it's I mean it's easy enough to do, just che just checking the times th times of the events. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2247.76 2251.5 So to remind me so to to just add that analysis to, yeah, to to it. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2243.66 2247.76 it might worth making making a cr part of the requirement for the G. D. F. stuff. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2247.83 2248.42 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2247.36 2247.83 Mm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2252.07 2252.48 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2259.4 2266.01 So basically the time from when somebody starts looking at an object until they leave it. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2254 2259.4 Uh I mean it it it won't because of the fixation it will be down to what we define as uh a gaze. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2252.69 2254 Uh i y yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2269.89 2272.42 So it's just the time in to the time out. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2266.01 2269.89 And so if they blinked a lot within that they're still looking at that object. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2272.89 2273.17 Right. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2273.17 2273.89 Okay, okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2273.69 2284.69 But what we need to know is like at what stage in the eye tracking stuff where it does that and whether that gets through so that um Craig gets it automatically in what he's translating or to G. D. F. . 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2273.05 2273.69 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2284.69 2291.38 Whether he needs to redo the same analysis because something about the data path cuts off that analysis for the eye tracker. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2291.38 2295.23 Or whether we even like it, right, and wanna do it some different way. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2278.19 2278.56 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2282.23 2282.46 Yep. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2290.07 2290.54 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2294.79 2295.42 Some other way. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2293.79 2294.79 Hmm. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2296.41 2304.19 Yeah 'cause I think the ASCII format as it stands does contain blink information um 'cause uh d d I'm sure I'm sure that's appeared in the in the documentation I've read through. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2295.79 2296.41 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2300.17 2300.67 Yes. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2304.11 2306.28 Yep, there's a blink sort of event. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2302.73 2304.11 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2305.73 2311.86 But it could be these things are corrected for blinks in this way plus there's blink information. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2322.42 2322.91 So 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2311.86 2317.46 So, you know, it it treats it as a fixation around blinks and it also just happens to tell you where the blinks are. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2317.46 2322.42 'Cause as they were saying, they like to use blink rate as measures of cognitive difficulty or something. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2304.89 2305.73 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2312.58 2313.04 Possibly. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2313.04 2313.69 Possibly, yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2321.79 2322.27 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2325.86 2334.15 so might might worth us us having a look at that and just just seeing what dat is what data is already in the ASCII format and whether you want me to do any correction as part of the analysis. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2324.44 2325.86 Um yeah 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2323.07 2323.33 Right. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2334.15 2338.14 Um 'cause I've gotta do the analysis for the fixations on parts and things anyway. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2323.33 2324.44 Okay, okay. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2341.46 2343.67 Isn't gonna be a shouldn't be a big problem. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2338.14 2341.46 So yeah, I d I I I didn't think check for blinks during that. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2331.21 2331.42 Yep. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2343.73 2349.05 It should just be a matter of treating a b adding on the blink to the last fixation or something anyway. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2349.23 2350.26 Yep. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2348.83 2349.23 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2350.26 2353.76 Um so we'll be 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2353.42 2357.6 If they're not still fixating on it when they come back out of the blink, then 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2359.16 2361.46 why is that is that the right thing to do analytically? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2362.09 2367.44 Uh well uh the the real reason is um as long as they've been blinking,
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2367.44 2372.09 even if they then open their eyes somewhere else, that's when they start absorbing the new information. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2371.46 2371.88 Oh right. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2371.88 2372.64 Yeah, you said that. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2377.4 2382.66 Mm it you kind of have visual suppression when you move and it's the same when you're blinking. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2383.73 2384.14 So 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2382.66 2383.73 You're not taking anything in. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2375.38 2377.4 It's basically like a just a long saccade. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2384.15 2386.98 Well, but does um the duration of fixations count for anything? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2386.98 2390.69 'Cause it if you're just adding the length of the blink to the fixation, you're not treating it as a saccade. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2418.34 2421.48 Is it it's a a sort of composite uh viewing time. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2400.04 2406.19 So the they w fixation duration isn't doesn't include the blink in the ASCII a output. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2406.19 2412.57 It's only when we start looking at sort of the total gaze that um the total amount of time spent looking at one particular object 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2412.57 2418.34 which includes all these sort of multiple fixations and any blinks and that sort of thing. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2395.88 2400.04 Uh it's not actually the fixations are still um independent. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2390.9 2395.88 Uh it it's yeah, that yes, um that's for the sort of gaze time measure. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2401.53 2402 Okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2406.21 2406.52 Wait. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2418.8 2419.89 I kinda get this. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2419.89 2420.52 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2417.07 2418.8 Okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2420.52 2420.77 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2422.26 2422.96 Right, mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2429.44 2431.16 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2431.16 2431.42 Okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2424.9 2426.89 So more complicated than I thought. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2426.89 2429.44 I'd forgotten about the multiple fixations on an object. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2426.75 2429.8 Uh yeah, I'm afraid uh mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2436.02 2437.92 Between this time this time you're not looking anything. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2437.92 2438.22 And 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2431.84 2436.02 And so are you looking for a final thing that just sort says between this time and this time you're looking at this object. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2437.23 2438.17 Yep, yep. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2452.92 2453.52 Uh 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2438.4 2452.92 Although we'll also still need a count of the fixations just so we can have you you've got measure fixation duration again just to s see if those they spend longer just f amount of more stable move uh eye fixation or not. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2452.88 2453.36 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2465.5 2467.62 Well tha tha don't don't uh worry about that just the moment. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2456.69 2464.65 Um so so I gue I guess that'd be part of the G. D. F. to transformation would be turning fixations into gazes and whatever else. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2467.62 2467.8 But 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2453.36 2456.69 'Cause I think I think at the moment the G. D. F. format has fixations in it. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2464.65 2465.5 Okay, okay. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2456.54 2456.83 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2465.19 2466.23 Viewing times. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2460.1 2461.15 Yep. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2461.15 2465.19 To ye yeah, mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2472.65 2479 I mean you might see it as the initial G. D. F. is just whatever straight-forwardly translates without,
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2466.26 2472.65 Well, it's not okay, I mean this is kinda what we were talking about before, this confusion about what's in the G. D. F. . 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2479 2483.92 you know, without transforms, with just the data format changing from the ASCII. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2483.92 2491.87 And then there's a bunch of other things that get added that you might still want to be in um augmented G. D. F. format,
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2494.79 2497.17 And then you translate to N. X. T. . 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2505.81 2506.8 So I see this as, you know 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2506.8 2518.98 a bunch of little routines that take the the G. D. F. without this information in it and add new information into th sub-script versions of the G. D. F. file that contains these post-process analyses. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2497.17 2501.71 So you might still wanna have everything in this one G. D. F. file format that represents everything. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2503.67 2505.81 It's not doing any fancy analysis. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2501.71 2503.67 And then the N. X. T. thing is just a splitter. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2491.87 2494.79 you know, like this blink and the gaze and whatever else. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2490.11 2490.73 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2505.5 2506.1 Right, yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2518.66 2519.3 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2526.32 2530.69 But that's what I want out in the end. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2519.3 2526.32 Well that's partly why I brought this up now is it I'm not sure what point down the data path things sort of happen. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2529.04 2529.42 Right. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2529.61 2530.3 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2531.56 2533.77 So so so w will you actually be doing much of the G. D. F. ? 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2540.44 2540.57 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2537.9 2540.44 So whe when you uh when you actually generate your results. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2533.77 2537.9 Or is are you expecting do most the analysis on out of the N. X. T. stuff then? 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2531.34 2531.56 Right. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2561.59 2563.01 I s presumably with G. D. F. . 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2540.89 2554.17 Um well the N. X. T. stuff will have the more complete picture 'cause it will include combine all the linguistic stuff with all the movements and the actions. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2563.01 2563.44 Uh 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2554.17 2561.59 Um but there'll be I suppose just some purely eye movement stuff we could do. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2550.39 2550.87 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2553.59 2553.91 Right. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2574.92 2575.44 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2563.46 2563.87 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2574.48 2574.92 Okay. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2563.87 2564.07 Uh yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2564.46 2571.48 you told that earlier 'cause you could do a quick ana you could do a quick analysis on the G. D. F. stuff without having to before you hit before you do the dialogue analysis type stuff. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2564.07 2564.46 C well yeah 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2571.48 2574.48 So you can get some some results anyway, can't you. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2568.53 2569.23 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2573.21 2573.61 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2610.32 2614.87 then it'll be just easier to understand w what the wh the whole thing does. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2578.31 2583.76 But it makes more sense for the converter between G. D. F. and N. X. T. not to add any data. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2599.96 2605.89 Like this idea of um of putting together gazes from fixations. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2573.59 2573.98 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2583.76 2588.06 All it does is do this this stupid data format conversion. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2605.89 2610.32 So y you know, i if we keep it simpler like that so that it's in little pieces 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2573.98 2578.31 I mean it to some extent it doesn't matter which data format it's in, N. X. T. or G. D. F. . 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2591.12 2599.96 So, you know, there have to be these other scripts that add any um data transforms um not data format transform forms, but data transforms. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2588.06 2591.12 And it it's just, you know, separating it out in the little steps. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2584.1 2584.98 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2612.12 2612.46 Hmm. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2615.64 2616.4 Okay, okay. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2615.41 2615.64 Right. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2616.19 2616.31 C 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2616.05 2616.19 Hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2620.3 2629.93 you wanna know whether it's one of these little post-processes going wrong or whether it's just the thing that dumps it into the multiple files for the and G. D. F. to N. X. T. transform is c is pretty simple. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2616.19 2620.3 'Cause you you c you know, i if suddenly you discover there's a problem with the G. D. F. to N. X. T. transform 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2629.93 2632.36 So um, you know 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2627.41 2627.53 An 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2631.09 2631.37 Right. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2645.49 2653.45 Uh because that little utility um does things like t well but you can tell it to what to do with blinks 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2655.6 2665.19 Uh what the minimum fixation duration for a stable fixation would be, sort of you have if it picks up t fixations less than say fifty milliseconds,
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2632.64 2644.24 that's also why I sent you the mm Saarbruecken software f that uh the stuff that takes the ASCII sort of format originally and then just uh sort of compresses it and things. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2665.19 2671.46 you can tell it just to again lump them all together, that's not a sort of reliable enough fixation. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2631.92 2632.64 And uh yeah 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2644.24 2645.49 Yeah, the German stuff. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2673.53 2678.85 So that's uh that's a bit of software that's sent and that includes the source code and things as well. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2671.46 2673.53 Uh you can put in these sort of of things. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2653.45 2655.6 whether just to lump them in or or not. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2643.24 2644.67 The Germans don't yeah, yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2642.7 2643.24 Oh yeah yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2654.21 2654.68 Oh yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2671.32 2671.93 Fair enough, fair en 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2678.52 2680.99 Yeah, so so they they we're allowed to do whatever without without source code. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2683.1 2684 Fair enough, fair enough. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2680.99 2683.1 There's no c sort of restrictions on that. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2683.13 2683.93 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2687.82 2688.99 Are you just gonna copy what they do? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2688.99 2692.49 Or Is it documented like why they did it they way they did it? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2683.72 2687.82 So that's like all the analysis that you need to do to things. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2692.49 2693.37 Or is it just 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2694.06 2701.48 Uh no, there's very little documentation as you might imagine for these sort of things. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2702.82 2703.54 That's that's why. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2703.54 2705.18 So Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2701.48 2702.82 Yeah, so I g I uh yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2700.38 2701.85 Well it's good starting point, right. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2701.85 2705.59 So it'd be interesting to see if you agree with the decisions that they made about how to do things. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2709.4 2709.53 Hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2708.32 2709.4 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2718.6 2721.31 C yeah, create all the uh switches and whatever else you need to do. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2721.31 2723.42 So um 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2717.12 2718.6 Um yeah, easy. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2711.51 2717.12 That'll gi that'll give us a starting point for us to sort to talk about it to look for what analysis we n actually need to do on it and things. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2708.33 2711.51 Yeah, I suppose I can easy look through and start writing up some documentation on it. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2712.66 2713.2 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2722.45 2722.71 Mm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2723.59 2724.16 Fine. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2724.16 2724.4 Good. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2732.78 2735.38 Start looking through that and make sure that works. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2735.38 2735.76 'Cause 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2726.6 2726.96 Okay. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2728.52 2732.78 Well once I've had once I've had a bit of bit more look at this G. D. F. stuff, then start looking through that. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2726.12 2726.6 Okay. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2727.16 2728.52 So we'll on once yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2726.96 2727.16 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2736.57 2746.57 There are a lot of um strange event tags that the eye link produces that are fairly meaningless, I think. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2753.53 2754.15 Uh-huh. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2732.83 2734.92 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2746.57 2750.28 And it can stri it strips out a lot of the junk uh as well. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2734.92 2736.57 'Cause uh al also just filters it. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2751.87 2753.53 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2750.28 2751.87 So it cleans it up. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2746.78 2747.09 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2749.48 2750.08 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2753.8 2755.36 So um but as 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2750.08 2753.8 I've l yeah I've no no noticed that the the the gest analyser knows quite a few things as well. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2749.52 2749.87 Ah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2760.7 2761.09 Or no? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2754.67 2757.3 Well b but we don't wanna build it into our data path. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2759.71 2760.7 Correct? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2757.3 2759.71 We just wanna learn from it, I think, right? 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2758.79 2758.97 Right. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2760.57 2761.28 Uh b fine. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2761.28 2764 Well um possibly. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2766.2 2772.13 I can easily incorporate whatever functions it takes from into gest analyser when I'm do doing the G. D. F. stuff. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2763.41 2766.2 Well uh I use it that useful for generating this G. D. F. stuff 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2763.25 2763.41 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2772.13 2772.72 So 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2802.16 2803.35 You know. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2796.58 2802.16 I don't know, because it's somebody else's programme and then they're gonna give us the next version and that's gonna break our entire pipeline. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2791.24 2796.58 That you know, as part of the the and als Well why do I think this? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2772.32 2777.67 I'm just thinking, you know, like i so this takes the ASCII to to a d simplified ASCII. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2777.67 2791.24 And simplified in with transforms in it ASCII and it's just it seems to be harder to maintain something that's got that in it if it'd be better to break things up into like steps. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2803.35 2804.07 That's the main reason. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2771.46 2772.32 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2777.84 2778.22 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2777.27 2777.84 Yep. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2781.53 2781.74 Yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2793.4 2793.79 The pr 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2800.55 2801.2 Uh yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2801.56 2803.25 Yeah, I see what you mean, uh-huh. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2801.2 2801.56 Uh-huh. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2810.76 2813.13 find out what functions are useful for us in that,
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2805.38 2810.76 I mean but what, yeah, say what what I'll what I'll plan to do with it then is take the is take to the software 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2813.13 2817.92 and then use those functions to generate the stuff that goes into the X. M. L. file, the the G. F. format. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2804.92 2805.38 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2815.93 2816.94 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2824.73 2824.97 Uh 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2816.94 2822.94 Uh yeah, I can imagine I can imagine that also requiring some discussion about whether what they do is what we actually wanna do. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2822.94 2824.73 That should be interesting. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2816.51 2817.11 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2822.23 2822.84 Six or 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2824.1 2824.74 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2831.42 2832.94 So so I suppose pose that that way the 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2824.74 2829.19 So so the fir fir first part that'll be documenting what they've got and then discussing it with Robin. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2829.19 2831.42 So uh yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2828.38 2831.48 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2831.48 2835.82 It's it's not quite s it so it's not gonna be quite grabbable 'cause it is it's written in Java. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2829.1 2829.47 Uh-huh. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2831.09 2831.79 Well, sounds good. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2840.31 2842.78 I'm sure I sure most the logic's gonna be gonna be the same. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2842.78 2844.57 So um 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2836.59 2837.42 Right. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2837.42 2840.31 But yeah, well I tr mo mostly, yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2841.94 2844.4 Yeah, well yes, uh-huh, the actual uh 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2842.78 2843.18 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2845.22 2848.57 And if in doubt um don't filter stuff out, keep it in, right. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2853.56 2857.55 So um the idea is you just keep stuff unless 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2848.57 2853.56 'Cause we always dump it to this other N. X. T. track that we don't need to load necessarily. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2853.12 2853.59 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2854.76 2855.11 Right. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2855.11 2855.69 Yeah, fair enough. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2867.69 2868.33 Lossiness. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2859.35 2867.69 It's always better than making too much compression to start with and then being out of unable to go back or yeah. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2858.36 2859.35 Yeah. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2869.46 2869.61 'Cause 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2865.32 2865.95 Yeah, fair enough. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2865.95 2869.46 Well so so it's so long as it's X. M. L., N. X. T. will handle it, won't it. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2865.65 2865.99 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2877.77 2880.92 It sounds like maybe in another week. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2875.67 2877.77 So um but still not quite sure when. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2869.96 2873.67 Oh yeah, and it's easy enough to dump stuff into an into separate track. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2890.18 2893.84 It's just too many things at once and it wasn't important that it be then. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2873.67 2875.67 W we gotta teach you about this at some point though. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2880.92 2890.18 So Jonathan made me promise not to um tell you about it when you first arrived 'cause you were gonna get overload about learning eye trackers and No. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2873.19 2873.59 Yep. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2875.76 2877.23 Fair enough. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2880.9 2881.71 Okay, okay. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2885.73 2891.46 Or or you leave very quickly. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2891.46 2891.92 Uh-huh. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2897.67 2901.59 And it looks like l looks like I'm coming to end of the stuff the stuff list there already. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2904.74 2906.52 So 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2901.59 2904.74 So I'm gonna have start looking at that as the next stage. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2894.59 2897.67 Well I'm well I'm well g I've got the hang of all the stuff I've been going through. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2894.2 2894.59 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2898.49 2898.96 So 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2898.04 2898.49 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2903.52 2904.55 He's a cool customer. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2908.2 2909.36 Okay. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2902.48 2903.52 Yeah. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2909.36 2910.23 I think we're done, right. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2904.55 2908.2 He's ready for it. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2911.35 2913.49 Well I'm I am. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2910.45 2911.35 Yep. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2911.32 2911.48 Yep. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2918 2919.49 Oh dear. 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2919.49 2924.99 Uh my page is blank still. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2934.46 2934.72 It 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2933.8 2934.46 This one's mine. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2926.08 2929.94 I do not really need to this just says look at the Wiki. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2929.94 2931.11 Find out what's next. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2931.11 2933.8 You could give give Craig more work to do. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2923.36 2924.65 Sorry? 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2924.65 2926.08 Oh yeah, I don't know. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2939.45 2942.25 Well, that'll be something to do. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2933.21 2938.58 Well, I ma I ma I may be maybe I want to check out these batteries and things, won't I? 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2942.25 2945.87 well well will the will the will will do if the trains are tha as bad as today. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2938.58 2939.45 So tomorrow. 
EN2009c H00 MEE095 2945.87 2946.18 So 
EN2009c H02 MEE094 2934.82 2935.28 I guess not. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2939.27 2940.54 Oh yeah, well that'll take forever. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2943.27 2943.96 Check your batteries. 
EN2009c H01 FEE083 2942.35 2943.27 That's that's really fun. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 0.02 0.95 Which data. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 0.95 3.84 You know, I I want everything and then I'll decide what I want. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1.56 1.82 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 6.01 8.53 Um but it uh it doesn't 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3.85 6.01 So this was that face to face meeting. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 5.33 5.64 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 35.9 40.36 You wouldn't prob you wouldn't want it in this kind of format for up-translation to the other things. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 10.34 20.79 There isn't th so there are things in the eye tracker record that we definitely don't want in the G. D. F. format, um like the frame rate eye movement. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 43.83 44.74 We're not throwing anything away. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 44.74 45.79 This is just the stuff 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 30.9 35.9 And you know there's just too much raw frame f frame rate stuff coming out of this. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 20.79 30.9 You know, we we uh uh i we're if we're expecting the G. D. F. format to be um sort of a parsed version of events. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 40.36 42.52 Yeah, we yeah, you can get back to it. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 42.52 43.83 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 44.55 47.35 And if we decide to re-jig this at some finer 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 40.27 41.71 We can get we can always get back to it. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 38.5 40.27 We can get back to it. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 41.71 44.55 We're not th actually throwing anything away. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 48.13 48.46 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 54.38 54.83 So 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 49.08 50.34 Mecha method. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 50.34 54.38 We'll still have the original and a method of uh of filtering. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 52.88 53.61 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 65.93 67.77 And um so 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 61.12 65.93 So the data that we wanna compare with a language or with whatever. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 53.61 61.12 But the th but the way to think of this is this is the data that we want to be able to analyse against the other tracks of data. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 58.43 58.77 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 60.85 61.17 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 68.02 73.31 As long as the format in which we pick it up is a format which could be generalised to a finer take. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 63.5 64.7 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 66.06 68.02 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 64.7 66.06 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 73.31 82.6 Because the worst thing that can ever happen to you is you discover that you've done huge amounts of analysis and th you actually had the data but you threw it away because you treated it so grossly. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 83.04 95.05 So whatever we should be able to b you know, backtrack and say okay instead of every second, every tenth of a second or some such thing. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 82.6 83.04 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 95.05 96.02 But you know th 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 83.11 85.53 S so in essence what you would then do is 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 82.4 83.11 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 100.51 103.32 I I had thought we were yeah, the eye tracker does. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 95.67 100.03 Well we're not doing frame rate at any frame for well, maybe we are. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 103.32 103.71 But 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 100.03 100.51 I don't know. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 100.39 101.75 Well, the eye tracker does. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 100.78 100.91 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 102.21 103.79 Uh five hundred Hertz though. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 104.2 104.37 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 104.54 104.84 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 128.38 128.61 Oh yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 120.3 122.51 You know, give me give me what's happening every X. seconds. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 128.61 129.4 Durations are in there. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 128.16 128.38 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 122.51 128.16 It's more like, you know, give me the fixations and the um the blinks. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 141.28 147.21 and um a parsed version of the data, which isn't at um any particular length. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 105.68 120.3 W what w um the kinds of events that we had r uh before talked about putting into the record for then use in ELAN and N. X. T. isn't based on saying every X. seconds something. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 147.21 149.66 It relies on this really close frame rate that's underneath. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 135.47 138.18 whatever the frame rate is, you know, ten seconds a minute. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 105.11 105.68 But right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 129.4 135.47 But it's not there's a difference between um saying that something is in a particular state every frame,
EN2009d H00 FEE083 138.18 141.28 You know, that's that's one kind of w way of looking at data,
EN2009d H01 FEE096 121.28 121.84 Well, you need 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 128.4 129.94 So one needs to be able to say 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 125.71 128.4 Well one needs to know the duration of these things, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 135.41 135.72 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 139 139.33 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 148.87 152.88 Well so there's no real time, there's only ev there's only events. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 152.88 155.22 What I'm we're trying to figure out is whether we've thrown time away. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 155.76 156.08 No, no. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 172.18 176.56 You say there was a fixation from this time to that time and there was blink from this time to that time. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 157.41 163.83 But you'll get uh what you want is to figure out what are the um the concepts behind that data that you want represented. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 167.68 172.18 you know, here, and then a tenth of a second later here and then a tenth of a second later here. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 156.08 157.41 The time the time is still in there. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 163.83 167.68 So rather than saying the eye was at this particular place,
EN2009d H00 FEE083 176.56 176.78 And 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 170.45 171.06 Here 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 176.31 176.62 Okay 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 176.62 187.27 so one of the formats in which eye tracker data is analysed is percentage of time spent on some target as opposed to some competitor over the first second after some event 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 224.13 224.31 Mm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 208.8 214.69 Now we could be really unlucky and somebody would expect us to do that at the real frame rate. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 187.84 196.27 So you actually have to be shu have to show at some time slice rate whether the eye was on the same target as the other guy,
EN2009d H01 FEE096 196.27 198.56 a similar target, what we'd both been deali you know. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 187.27 187.84 okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 215.84 222.91 But but my point is that we mustn't throw away in or lose the capacity of being able to deliver that kind of data. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 207.84 208.8 Alright. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 222.91 224.13 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 198.56 207.84 So we have to b we have all the parts, the interesting parts of the screen identified and be able to show distribution of gaze over time. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 214.69 215.84 But I think that's really unlucky. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 191.85 192.22 Okay. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 200.26 200.49 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 207.43 207.79 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 209.28 209.53 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 221.63 222 Right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 228.55 231.95 Would you be so the more you can plan 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 224.27 228.55 But the question is what tool would you use to get that information out of the data? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 222.86 224.27 We're not throwing anything away. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 222 222.86 So there's two issues here. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 230.64 234.04 S so typically the eye will move, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 247.76 248.92 It's gonna be on this landmark. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 253.87 255.11 You're gonna get lots and lots of stuff. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 257.7 259.89 It's not uh I went here. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 262.85 264.92 It's it's more like a fly hovering. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 234.04 239.58 So over any one second, they eye's actually f fixing on a bunch of different things. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 261.2 262.85 I went here, I stayed here. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 246.07 247.76 it's gonna jiggle all over the place. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 239.58 246.07 And you and so when you say the eye was on this from here to here what's gonna happen is that is that if you use the real frame rate 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 248.92 253.87 Uh it's on this object, that object, this fixed thing, that fixed thing, okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 259.89 261.2 I s you know, it's not like person walking. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 255.11 257.7 And it's percentage distribution that you're going to want. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 233.9 234.26 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 248.29 248.59 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 262.93 263.22 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 265.14 269.08 So you need to know the percentage of time it was on during that fixation. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 268.92 270.24 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 270.24 273.91 Because if you if you take them as separate events you get thousands of separate events. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 270.14 270.39 Yeah? 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 288.24 288.52 So 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 270.81 280.89 Uh m m i uh i yeah but the p sort of start and end times will give you back to that output. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 280.89 288.24 A as a and then you just measure it against, you know, the c the c yeah, the cumulative total time record or something. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 276.57 276.95 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 284.01 285.07 Against bigger frames. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 293.55 293.98 Is that 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 287.69 291.24 Okay, so the percentage is i i is a cut it's not something you're using for measurement. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 291.24 293.55 It's a cut-off for whether or not it counts as a fixation? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 298.64 303.37 But the other is that there will be a time span, a kind of reaction to some event span. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 293.39 295.13 Well, that's the that's the problem. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 296.33 298.64 One is that there's always a cut-off, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 295.13 296.33 There are two ways of doing it. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 298.02 298.42 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 302.86 310.2 B uh uh m yeah, so I'll I'll lag in some of it during the I suppose there's the the saccadic movement itself, for example. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 306.38 306.64 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 327.41 329.47 One one could imagine those two categories. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 342.05 346.61 And one of the things they will want to know is an event series after some critical event, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 329.47 333.82 That's that's a kind of testing of our hypotheses. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 346.61 350.06 What percentage of time is given to looking where the other guy is looking. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 333.82 342.05 But there's a certain amount of um dues you pay to the way they do things in the literature to get your papers published. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 319.93 324.69 And one would like to know sequences of they didn't look at the same thing and then they broke it. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 361.7 365.11 So we have to be able to deliver those two things and they're rather different demands. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 354.77 361.7 So they'll be they they'll want to see essentially the gaze settling on particular incidents on particular places. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 324.69 327.41 Or they did look at the same thing and then they did or didn't brea you know. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 350.06 354.77 And what percentage of time over some, you know, reasonable time span of a couple of seconds, alright. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 309.89 310.3 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 310.3 313.51 And so I mean there are there are really two ways of looking at this. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 313.51 319.93 One would like to know for example the percentage of time overall in which two people are looking at the same thing, okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 318.99 319.3 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 329.51 329.76 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 354.72 354.93 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 379.65 384.41 That that should ra uh address all that. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 384.41 385.23 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 364.25 365.65 Th th th yeah 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 385.23 394.5 But but because it's also in the i based on the the time course of the procedure you'll be able to basically get the scan path of the pattern of events from that as well. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 365.65 379.65 the it should still come out that the little sketch I asked this p for for last week about N. X. T. and whether it would have that sort of tiered effect so you could see the overlap of where one person is looking compared to the other and their mouse movements and things. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 365.3 365.54 Right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 379.63 379.95 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 381.97 385.53 'Cause all you wanna know is whether they were looking at the same object in the period after. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 391.1 391.42 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 394.33 398.83 Can we draw it to make sure that that um that this is satisfying Ellen's concerns? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 393.8 394.33 Okay. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 397.17 398.01 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 398.92 401.78 I didn't have it r uh haven't brought it. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 398.01 398.92 So I did have it somewhere. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 401.78 402.4 trying to remember it. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 399.92 400.14 Right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 412.49 414.12 And B. 's eyes. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 406.01 407.84 See if the pens work. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 407.84 412.49 So um this is um A. 's eyes, right? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 400.58 403.81 Well, there's a white-board, right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 414.12 418.79 And I think what you're saying you should probably draw this right, is that they you know 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 418.79 423.04 if um from this time to this time they're looking at triangle one. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 403.81 406.01 We love this thing. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 425.06 434.72 W what you're saying is that you want to know in the critical you wanna know after they're they're looking at triangle one what's happening in this period with this guy 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 434.72 435.03 right? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 447.07 454.96 There is some part there are there are separate movable parts on the screen ready for use, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 454.96 459.86 There may be or not a construction already begun, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 481.08 484.73 They may be overlapping gaze at particular objects which are of interest. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 475.08 481.08 While they're speaking or communicating in some way, the other person may or may not be looking where they're looking, okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 436.77 439.6 Or how l alright. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 484.73 488.62 Let's call it the c the construct, existing construct, which could be zero. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 439.6 447.07 Let's let's imagine a typical construction event, okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 459.86 461.95 Somebody makes the first move. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 461.95 469.45 There's some kind of communication either gestural, imaginary or verbal, that plans how we're gonna do it, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 469.45 475.08 Before that happens the person who speaks is going to do some kind of visual scanning. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 445.06 445.36 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 458.87 459.2 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 468.38 468.62 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 480.23 480.48 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 488.88 489.14 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 502.72 508.44 for a the period of time in which he's steadily looking at triangle one is gonna be very very short, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 495.11 496.95 Next piece, okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 489.85 495.11 Or the um the addendum, the thing which is next going to be added. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 489.08 489.85 Alright. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 496.95 502.72 Now in neither case, when you draw this, he's looking at triangle one, which you're actually drawing, you know,
EN2009d H01 FEE096 508.44 515.7 Because staring fixedly without interruption, blink or or saccade is is an extremely short event. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 494.99 495.2 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 507.64 508.01 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 512.2 512.63 The 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 513.26 527.42 Uh it m it m uh but uh br at that point they're all of it lumped all the individual fixations as long as it doesn't move off that triangle together as a total sort of gaze gaze time on that. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 528.46 530.69 That that's a target within the target region. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 527.42 527.85 Yep. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 527.85 528.46 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 530.32 534.4 But even so you're likely to get bouncing in and out of the region, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 546.59 551.57 So they're gonna be yeah, that's right, A. is gonna be on triangle one and various other places. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 552.02 556.09 And and B. um okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 529.63 530.32 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 556.09 561.15 And we're gonna look at the percentage of of that time where they're both in the same region. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 525.2 526.52 That's fine. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 541.92 544.62 um how much of the time they spend looking at the same thing. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 551.57 552.02 That's right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 534.4 541.92 So even so you wanna look at if we're interested in how long before the construction move takes place 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 526.52 529.63 So it's in a region it's in a region. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 544.62 546.59 Let's call that our measure of alignment. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 527.14 527.35 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 527.35 527.63 So 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 528.89 529.12 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 534.39 534.74 Uh m 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 546.67 547.05 Alright. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 551.09 551.22 Uh-huh. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 555.02 556.09 M yes, somewhere. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 557.72 558.12 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 571.37 574.49 Temporarily simplify too much, so that yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 563.54 571.37 So what I want to make sure is that we don't um simplify, do you know what I mean? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 562.96 563.54 Right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 563.73 564.25 So 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 573.08 580.85 It it sh yeah, it I mean uh as long as we're dif r yeah, it there shouldn't be anything missing. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 577.97 580.91 'Cause then you lose percentage as an as a as a D. V. . 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 583.61 589.22 And so B. has some periods of looking at one and all it will which will also be intermittent. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 589.22 589.82 Because 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 583.37 583.61 Right. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 583.64 584.09 That should be alright. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 586.68 587.38 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 589.25 589.51 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 589.6 589.82 Yep. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 607.25 609.38 This is sort of some meta level analysis. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 597.22 607.25 So what you want to do is be able to define um bigger periods, which is the period when they're sort of interested in triangle one overall, right? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 591.75 597.22 So, you know, he might get triangle one there and no maybe this one's gonna overlook lap quite a bit. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 592.22 592.96 M m yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 594.88 596.38 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 595.37 595.8 Right. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 597.16 597.37 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 605.36 605.84 Yes. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 609.24 609.46 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 607.7 609.24 When they should be. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 607.08 607.7 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 613.26 615.99 And then we can just take that chunk out and do something with it. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 607.96 608.55 So we yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 608.55 613.26 So we if we have an an event, yeah, that that yeah, the second line then for the second before it. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 623.36 629.02 this is such special purpose s but it's easy enough given the data format for any of these things to do that. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 629.02 638.33 So you could do it on 'cause i it's just a matter of i the hard part is deciding how close together these have to be before you decide that this is a event that you wanna pull out. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 617.08 623.36 But that's that's not a something that you can do in the N. X. T. query language, but it you can't do that in any you know 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 616.34 617.08 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 638.33 646.82 Because, you know, algorithmically you're you're already putting together I mean this is essentially already, you know, these fixations with stuff in between. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 617.62 620.08 That should I I 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 618.47 618.84 Okay. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 629.17 629.39 Right. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 643.7 643.82 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 645.07 645.54 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 648 648.28 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 648.28 648.45 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 648.73 654.61 And uh um, you know, we we've got an algorithm for deciding when that's a look, I guess. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 654.61 655.63 You already have that or no? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 648.77 649.08 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 655.77 663.23 Uh well, if it's just based on uh like a a stable fixation for so long or or something and crossing into that region. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 663.23 663.41 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 655.79 656.28 Well 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 658.05 658.37 It 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 677.56 677.88 Yeah? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 673.77 677.56 And you know, maybe even having fixations on other things? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 668.45 669.76 So that's easy enough. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 662.55 663.29 Oh yeah, yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 664.39 668.45 They're these are all fixations and saccades, but within the yep. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 663.29 664.39 So it's all fixations. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 669.76 673.77 So the hard thing is they could be moving their eye arbitrarily here, right? 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 667.56 668.23 yep. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 668.13 668.65 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 668.65 668.88 What 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 693.04 693.25 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 684.85 693.04 If if your intention is to move the red triangle to sit on top of the thing already constructed, you would tend to look back and forth. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 677.82 684.85 Yes, because for example for part of that time both B. and A. are probably looking at the construct, okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 677 677.82 Yes. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 678.15 678.34 Yep. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 677.19 678.15 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 685.53 686.17 Yep. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 692.07 693.01 Back and forward. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 694.69 697.66 So um this isn't yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 697.66 707.24 But what you need to do is we we can already build into this G. D. F. format these regions if you can give a definition of what you think that is. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 707.24 714.61 But I think the right way to do this is to be able to inspect the data in um some tool and play around with the definitions. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 714.61 716.79 Because you won't get it right the first time. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 716.79 717.1 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 693.01 694.69 Yep. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 692.56 692.88 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 695.87 698.41 And we should be able to to figure that out. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 716.15 716.9 Mm-hmm, yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 716.18 716.65 Yeah, sure. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 724.09 724.45 So 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 716.65 724.09 So so the question would be under what tool should we be looking at these events. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 722.49 724.01 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 724.01 725.95 And uh ELAN's a reasonable choice for that, right? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 725.95 728.63 What you need is something well no, because you need to 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 728.5 729.36 To mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 729.36 730.8 Don't know. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 746.44 747.69 It I mean it's not that hard, right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 743.08 746.44 you know, add this data a automatically. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 735.69 743.08 So I g I guess this is a case of Craig writing some scripts so Robin having some ideas about what the relationship is and saying,
EN2009d H00 FEE083 729.24 735.69 Y you need to be able to see the effects of this. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 759.27 760.63 And so um 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 747.69 749.6 It's just there'll be a bunch of these,
EN2009d H00 FEE083 749.6 759.27 you'll have some rules about how maybe how long you spend on other objects and w whether the other object is um the existing construction or not, right. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 747.85 748.16 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 759.25 772.08 So so essentially there's there's um A. E. is divided into T. R. one and C. and other stuff, okay, where C. is the construct, the existing thing. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 759.05 759.25 Right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 772.66 777.6 So if they if they uh they had a fixation on C. you wouldn't be worried. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 772.04 772.66 Ah, right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 777.6 778.79 But if they had a fixation on 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 778.41 785.43 I mean we'd take a separate we'd look at the percentage time I mean I have no idea because I don't know how people look when they're building things together 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 790.47 793.66 And I don't know whether they're gonna spend more time looking at one or the other. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 785.72 790.47 So there's a there's the addendum and the and the co the existing construct. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 793.66 797.9 But if they're whatever it is that one is looking at, if the other's looking the same place they're in good shape. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 777.92 778.41 Well no. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 785.43 785.72 okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 795.89 798.08 Yeah, they're yep. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 798.08 802.52 But yeah, they're gonna look at the clock um and they're gonna look at they may look at completely irrelevant 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 799.62 799.79 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 800.61 804.61 And that's what the other stuff that's what the that's what the diagonal stripes are for. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 815.63 818.8 We'd expect that if we put people under time pressure they'll look at the clock a lot more. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 799.79 800.61 Sure, sure. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 804.61 805.77 That's true. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 805.77 815.63 But we c we can one of the things we'll be doing is um categorising people I take it or interactions by the amount of time people spend looking at the clock. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 800.4 800.59 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 805.45 805.83 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 815.79 816.25 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 818.83 819.11 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 818.39 818.83 More. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 821.06 821.57 So 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 819.09 821.06 But that's like a separate analysis, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 820.5 821.74 Sure, it's a separate analysis. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 831.13 839.93 you should be able to pull out any interesting category and say alright for this phase it's T. R. one, or C. . 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 823.54 831.13 So so you can define if all of these things are actually categorised by the eye tracker as to where the eye is, alright,
EN2009d H01 FEE096 821.74 823.54 But you don't wanna throw it away, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 839.93 844.55 For this phase it's um S. Q. one or C., okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 824.02 825.89 The so every separate 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 823.27 824.02 It no no. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 830.44 830.84 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 835.37 840.99 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 841.69 841.99 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 850.67 855.05 And then it's a case of defining algorithmically all these other transformations that you want. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 858.71 865.06 Which is um well, how would you decide whether something was the current addendum uh the cu 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 844.21 850.67 But what we find e what we can get out of the data easily at the moment is at this kind of level, right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 855.05 858.71 So this is one uh we hadn't thought of adding before, but we should, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 847.16 847.44 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 850.38 850.7 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 868.73 869.84 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 864.87 868.73 You have to actually transcribe the thing or watch the film further on. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 869.84 870.95 Yeah, absolutely. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 870.59 871.89 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 868.11 870.59 So that's a human decision. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 871.89 872.4 Um 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 870.2 870.54 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 870.6 871.05 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 873.14 877.57 So so m so I assume that well once you've that sort of information, you well you got the G. D. F. format. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 889.66 890.92 Does that sound does that sound reasonable? 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 884.42 887.74 And then you just say in that time period, what percentage are they looking at triangle one. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 877.57 884.42 You then filter it to say, right, between time X. and time Y. they're they're constructing that having triangle one to the construct. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 887.74 889.66 What percentage are they looking at the construct. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 873.03 873.14 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 874.02 874.71 But the ex 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 876.8 877.06 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 889.75 890.33 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 904.44 911.91 that that's what he was re what he was really interested in was the kind of coding which would define the building sequence, okay? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 896.32 904.44 But they're i their categories of stuff now I w my kind of assumption was that that this was J. P. land,
EN2009d H01 FEE096 888.11 889.75 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 911.91 913.09 So and 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 890.33 896.32 Yeah, that's the addendum in the construct should be, you know, kind of they they change their true identity. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 893.62 893.83 Yep. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 900.45 901.09 Yeah, 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 906.37 908.25 Well he's really interested in 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 911.84 912.03 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 921.55 926.82 And and it was the negotiation of which candidate was gonna be the right candidate that's actually the interesting stuff. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 928.13 933.41 He's he's actually um emailed me with a l with a list of things he wants to discuss at length. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 926.82 928.13 So I should talk to him about this. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 914.54 921.55 the and maybe he wants to think about that more and say well there were several candidates for the addendum, alright. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 933.41 935.23 So I w I'll bring this one back to him. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 921.29 922.51 So which one does 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 920.83 921.29 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 925.34 925.5 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 929.8 930.55 But we believe 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 933.96 936.25 But we believe J. P. to be defining that maybe. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 949.05 953.17 So it may be that they have a coding system that's ready to go and we should just apply it. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 938.31 944.43 Is he gonna define this kind of building sequence in a way that we can get out. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 936.49 938.31 Well this is my question for him. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 944.43 949.05 Or is he so b I mean, you know, they've been working on construction there for a while. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 955.67 955.92 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 961.43 963.89 So they may well have a yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 957.13 961.43 Um they do a lot of sub-assembly in the tasks they've been doing. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 956.08 957.13 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 960.3 960.52 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 962.55 965.33 I could believe them, yeah, no, taking an interest in that. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 966.83 967.71 Let's find out. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 967.48 971.57 I mean the general division was language here and other stuff there, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 979.43 986.54 But since we have the the eye tracker i th we're gonna have to answer their questions about gaze, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 971.59 972.16 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 974.38 979.43 What well we but we have the now actions I mean actions might mostly be theirs, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 991.83 999.98 But um presumably what you piously hope is happens here is what happened with um transactions,
EN2009d H01 FEE096 999.98 1007.96 right, that the verbal analysis and the um and the visual analysis give you the same breaking points, the same chunking points. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 986.54 988.19 Yeah, I right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 972.16 974.38 So wha right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 988.19 991.83 But um so they'll they'll uh they'll tell us something about that. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 970.69 971.59 Right. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 975.23 983.1 But W uh mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 972.08 973.7 That's what I have understood it to be. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 973.7 975.23 But well I don't know. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 971.09 972.08 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 973.86 976.9 I'll just I'll just minute that. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 986.25 987.79 Yeah, I mean we know that. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 984.68 986.25 Oh yeah, eye tracker here. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 984.94 986.02 Yes, uh-huh, yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 985.32 985.48 Right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1014.93 1017.53 It'd be verbal plus action. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1019.72 1020.91 It's just a segmentation. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1017.53 1019.72 Because it's a task breakdown. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1009.74 1014.93 But I mean with transaction coding on something like this you would use i y you wouldn't consider it verbal analysis exactly. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1008.97 1009.74 Well yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1021.8 1027.58 But for the verbal version there are ways of announcing that now we're doing a new one, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1027.58 1028.83 Or that we're finished with the old one. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1020.03 1021.8 It's it is it is a task breakdown. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1017.59 1020.03 Well, I mean what you know. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1027.54 1033.52 Yeah, but you wouldn't have you you wouldn't do two codings for task level one you wouldn't do transaction coding in a action segmentation. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1031.04 1031.72 No, you wouldn't. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1035.2 1040.83 as an as an outcome of this is that you could analyse either end and you'd get the same chunking of the material. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1031.72 1035.2 But I mean one of the things one of the things you'd like to establish you know 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1040.83 1042.53 The thing which you guys thought to make in a paper. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1040.85 1048.73 I I don't think that's realistic, because I think what you'd actually do is use um the full record of what you have and do a segmentation. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1048.73 1054.81 I think it'd be hard to understand what was going on if you used like just the language without watching the video to decide whether we're breaking down the task. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1054.88 1055.73 It's a hypothesis. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1056.39 1062.55 Oh, you don't want it to be coding th uh based on that though and then that seems a strange way to go about things. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1062.55 1064.75 I mean this the language events are multi-modal, right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1064.75 1066.48 You know, they're they're doing all these things together. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1062.44 1062.94 Well 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1068.2 1072.95 But one of the things that you one could imagine doing is um sen is, you know 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1072.95 1081.68 having the transcription there and pl just play it back to a bunch of captive undergraduates and say when do they stop and start 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1066.49 1068.2 They are doing these things together. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1078.94 1083.61 Wha why do you care whether they can do it just based on the the language? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1083.61 1083.91 Is 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1096.67 1102.22 And if you can get it all out of the speech, you know, if the if all of the chunking is available when there is speech, 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1093.25 1096.67 I mean I g one of the questions is how the information is gonna be shared across these media. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1089.79 1093.25 And if the discourse tells you what's going on that's information. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1083.28 1089.79 Um because because essentially you're looking at um cycling sequences in discourse. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1108.33 1110.11 It's saying we are done with that and 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1104.17 1108.33 okay, then it's carrying a lot of the burden. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1108.08 1111.83 Well, it seems to me much less important than the other things one could get out of this data. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1111.83 1115.34 But I, you know, I it's a possibility. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1115.34 1115.67 We'll 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1119.33 1126.97 And i it's it would be really nice to know that that much information, that chunking of the task information is being carried by the language. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1112.54 1113.27 Mm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1113.27 1119.33 But this is but we haven't looked at data like this with this with our old-fashioned analyses um, you know. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1148.15 1150.49 You could get the entire chunking of the task out of a language. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1126.97 1131.32 Because J. P. 's question, the overriding question is so what's language for. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1143.95 1148.15 it would actually be nice to demonstrate that in a place where we're controlling whether you have language or not. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1131.56 1143.95 if people are busy interacting all the time and all of our colleagues don't even bother to control for whether people are talking to one another when they're doing these joint tasks because it seems to them to be irrelevant 'cause language is irrelevant 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1131.32 1131.56 You know 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1114.75 1116.33 It's mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1150.5 1150.65 Yeah 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1157.08 1164.23 It's more g I can't quite see why it's important to know that they can do it just based on the language when w you know that they had both. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1150.65 1157.08 well I c I can see maybe wanting to know whether you can do the chunking just based on the actions without the language in cases where they use both. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1155.36 1155.71 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1154.56 1155.36 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1157 1157.42 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1163.31 1169.13 Because you know it's a self-contained system as opposed to a system which is which can't be interpreted without the other system. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1172.98 1173.77 But yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1170.3 1170.61 Uh-huh. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1170.61 1172.98 Well, I think that one's just bound to fail. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1171.67 1172.66 Usually the claim. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1170.83 1171.67 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1172.66 1178.57 Almost all studies on language claim that language is a self-contained system which will give you everything you need to know. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1179.44 1179.83 Really? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1180.06 1181.17 That's the claim. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1182.41 1183.77 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1183.77 1184.1 Anyway. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1182.91 1184.32 Alright. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1184.32 1185.39 I didn't say it was true. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1186.36 1187.56 And so it's worth testing. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1185.39 1186.36 I said that's the claim. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1222.6 1224.93 They're they're both sort of track based in this way. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1188.85 1193.63 So back back to this main problem, which is yeah,
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1205.29 1212.76 And then we need some way of knowing what the you can you can see adding these other analyses about, you know 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1212.76 1222.6 they're they're jointly focused on this region and trying to figure out what s percentage of time they're looking at it as adding new tiers of information to either the ELAN track or N. X. T. . 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1193.63 1205.29 w the record that we are getting in the first instance is about the m about these you know, they're looking at some region of the screen defined dynamically. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1190.68 1190.92 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1204 1204.45 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1224.48 1224.82 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1253.06 1253.31 So th 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1247.92 1253.06 I don't think we even know what the set of these things are that we want, much less how to get 'em yet. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1234.16 1240.8 And then we've got no option but to uh figure out a way for like to look at this, just explore this data 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1228.97 1234.16 And I I think in the first instance what we're trying to get into the G. D. F. format is just this. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1225.66 1228.97 Um but the hard part is knowing how you wanna do that. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1240.8 1247.92 suggest ways about doing it and um be able to play them back and see um when we think we've got these things right. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1251.59 1252.08 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1252.57 1256.18 And we won't and establishing the full set will, you know, take us much of the project. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1252.17 1252.57 No no. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1256.18 1257.61 So you know 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1256.74 1257.69 Yeah, that's right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1261.04 1267.05 But this isn't something that affects what Craig programs for the initial G. D. F. translation. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1257.69 1261.04 So this is not the you know, this is something we're aiming for. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1267.05 1267.64 Um 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1262.29 1263.88 You can we can announce now. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1267.48 1275.7 My only concern w uh you a as I said when I barged in was just to make sure that we didn't lose the things that we might need to pick up later. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1275.7 1276.03 That's all. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1267.13 1267.48 Fine. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1276.31 1278.88 So let's just return to this question of frame rate. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1278.88 1283.13 Because this is the thing we were not planning to um transfer into this format. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1275.6 1276.31 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1283.13 1288.21 So again, you know, what a frame rate kind kind of coding is ag it can again be seen as a track. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1288.21 1294.57 But it says it's a coding like this, right, where you say it's in state A., state B., state C., state A. . 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1289.4 1290.16 Every single frame. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1291.99 1292.41 Well 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1318.73 1320.79 That's beneath our level of analysis. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1316.05 1317.2 We will jiggle around in there. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1294.07 1294.38 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1307.83 1316.05 So if we're moving the the green triangle um we've defined a region which is the dynamically the green triangle, wherever it is. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1317.2 1318.73 But it doesn't matter where we are in there. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1294.38 1303.54 But since the l the definitions of look a thing we're looking at are d um are the ones which get rid of the lower level. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1320.79 1321.01 S 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1303.54 1307.83 Like jiggling around in the area of a particular object, right. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1314.1 1314.56 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1319.4 1320.3 So you right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1320.3 1324.85 So I'm just you're happy that it's not gonna have frame rate uh like this. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1324.85 1326.67 It's gonna have an interpretation like this. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1318.91 1319.4 Right. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1320.93 1321.24 Well 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1319.38 1320.93 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1326.61 1333.32 Well the in that interpretation is definable to frame rate by our by the only way we're gonna use frame rate. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1334.82 1335.25 Sorry. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1334.16 1334.82 What does that mean? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1349.9 1350.96 So it's, you know, it's fine. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1350.96 1352.4 I can say it's a long one. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1355.72 1356.12 That's 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1353.19 1355.72 Or it's, you know, it's twenty milliseconds more than that one. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1347.78 1349.9 A and an end time. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1352.4 1353.19 Or it's a short one. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1335.08 1343.54 I c well, I mean i because I can I can say for how many frames this fixation went is officially defined. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1343.54 1347.78 So that as long as I as long as it's not a untimed event, okay. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1347.68 1349.83 Yeah, all all the all events have a start time and an end time. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1349.83 1350.24 So 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1348.17 1348.44 Right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1353.08 1353.98 W right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1353.98 1361.29 But it seems to me it seems to me that Ellen's concerns might mean we need to add more information to these tags because um,
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1361.29 1367.34 you know, this thing in itself is th bunch of fixations, right, with saccades. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1353.96 1354.14 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1361.59 1362.2 Uh but y y y 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1366.59 1371.12 So so things like fixation, the number of fixations a and 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1366.32 1366.59 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1363.94 1366.32 You mean to the tags of the data w within it. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1366.9 1367.17 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1369.7 1374.09 Fixations and the percentage of time those fixations cover, you might want. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1374.31 1383.28 Bi um yeah, with some some measure of the so we could work out the number of fixations that made and the average fixation duration as well. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1383.28 1386.36 Because having st long steady fixations can be informative. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1385.17 1385.59 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1385.25 1385.45 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1390.27 1392.03 This is this this isn't a leading question. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1387.14 1390.27 And okay, I'm I'm asking you as an expert. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1394.06 1396.29 Why would that be informative particularly? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1392.03 1394.06 This is a question question. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1389.42 1390.6 Percentage of 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1387.93 1389.42 So number of fixations. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1410.32 1416.26 if they're looking around it uh rather than just holding their gaze steady or um and longer on it. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1396.55 1406.21 Um if if they're holding their if there's less dancing around, the um the cognitive focus tends to be in one sort of part. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1406.21 1410.32 So uh there is a difference between if they even though they're still looking at the same part 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1401.07 1401.4 Uh-huh. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1410.67 1410.86 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1412.27 1412.77 Uh-huh. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1431.67 1438.91 Okay, so th um so that really means that we're not throwing away absolute fixations. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1416.43 1426.96 So you think that if for example if they're looking at um one or another um apex of a triangle it would just that would make a difference. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1426.96 1431.67 They were exploring the thing, as opposed to they were simply alright, there is it there it is. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1415.72 1416.43 On it. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1426.31 1428.19 Uh yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1428.19 1431.49 It, yeah, it's it's certainly it's it's worth mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1439.76 1441.88 Uh no, I wouldn't want to throw out 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1440.74 1444 The screen location of absolute fixations. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1444.45 1447.51 Put the actual location 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1459.88 1461.34 So y it's possible 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1446.18 1446.5 No no. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1451.34 1459.88 They're he's we're talking about just adding attributes to these things that say the number of fixations that counted as that looking at triangle one, right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1446.5 1451.34 This is this is still um uh summary data. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1451.27 1451.72 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1454.23 1454.57 Alright. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1457.47 1457.84 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1468.92 1470.62 And the figures are bigger than points. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1459.4 1460.6 Uh-huh. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1461.74 1466.68 So you so I thought I understood you to mean exploring the figure. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1470.62 1476.28 So you could be exploring the figure or you could be just somewhere in the region defined as the figure but not on it. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1466.68 1468.92 Because you know, your fixation is a point. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1460.6 1461.74 As opposed to out of it. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1460.69 1461.76 I mean presumably 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1475.92 1485.66 Uh if well yes, but that probably isn't going to be easy to get out because you'd then have to break up uh the parts somehow. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1481.41 1482.45 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1483.22 1483.43 The 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1482.45 1483.22 Alright, fine. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1485.12 1488.3 So you just want to know the variability of the of the fixation. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1488.3 1490.06 And wouldn't that differ from person to person? 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1487.41 1487.92 Yep. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1487.92 1488.93 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1491.26 1499.11 Uh it it yes, it can do, but it's also looking at it within their their own behaviour to see, yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1499.51 1509.28 So it's the number of different spots within that region where the eye has fixed the number of different fix oh, ok okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1499.24 1499.51 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1509.28 1510.5 So it's a jiggle rate, okay. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1510.03 1510.71 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1511.56 1511.96 Yep. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1511.96 1512.43 Exactly. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1510.71 1511.56 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1504.18 1507.26 Uh th w I I would say just the number of fixations. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1512.43 1512.75 So 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1507.26 1510.03 I mean it could just be yeah, the number of different yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1529.36 1530.85 We can put that in as another track. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1509.86 1512.83 'Cause i you're not gonna g have the same pixel. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1530.85 1535.9 If you think that that's something that you might want to look at in one of these tools that shows you the tracks against each other. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1517.98 1522.64 If you want the smaller if you want the smaller coding in in here. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1508.39 1509.86 Yeah, the spots'll be different anyway. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1522.64 1526.24 So that it's not just parsed into this idea of which object. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1512.83 1517.98 So um we have the option that we can put in an A. fixation thing here, right, as well. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1526.24 1529.36 But you also have the raw fixation um data. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1512.07 1512.39 Right. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1518.96 1519.62 I mean to 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1517.32 1518.96 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1518.08 1518.35 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1540.53 1540.81 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1535.68 1540.53 Well, all I th understood you to ask for was the duration of each fixation inside. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1542.09 1542.81 Well, I think 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1540.53 1542.09 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1538.97 1540.53 Yeah, I d that's all he asked for. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1550.07 1550.76 Or 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1539.98 1540.81 It yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1540.81 1550.07 Uh if if we've got everything, then I suppose it's you can always yes, it's you're not throwing anything away then. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1544.7 1545.45 You can come back. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1555.4 1559.07 All we're doing is dumping it as output that you can load if you choose to. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1567.07 1569.59 'Cause it's easy to dump out the fixations. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1559.07 1565.43 Um i g s you know, so if they're things that you just know are crazy and you're not gonna want then we don't do it. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1569.59 1571.39 Um yeah? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1565.43 1567.07 But otherwise we go ahead and dump 'em. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1549.87 1555.4 Yeah, and in N. X. T. there's no cost, right, because the y the uh you just don't choose to load those. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1555.21 1555.45 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1559.51 1559.99 Okay. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1564.02 1564.33 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1566.09 1566.44 Right. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1570.24 1570.45 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1570.6 1573.42 So it's the number of different fixations. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1573.78 1578.62 So it's the number of fixations the did you want the you 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1573.53 1573.78 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1576.84 1578.31 Or do you want the number of different ones? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1575.03 1576.84 Well, actually do you want the average duration? 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1577.4 1581.76 Uh but uh uh number uh well the uh duration time as well somehow. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1581.76 1583.28 Whether it's the average one or 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1583.77 1585.97 Duration of each fixation in the region. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1586.8 1587.31 Well 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1584.88 1586.8 Of the fixation. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1585.9 1590.99 M not e well, if it's each, you have to d you have to break it down into another tier, right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1590.99 1595.31 You can't you can say there were three fixations and they averaged uh a certain time. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1595.31 1596.21 But you don't wanna 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1590.48 1590.81 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1595.26 1599.41 The the average should be alright uh to work with. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1599.41 1599.95 The the 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1598.22 1600.91 D well, what about the the overall sum of the durations? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1600.91 1603.18 Is that I mean which way do you want to 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1601.59 1602.65 Well, you've already got that. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1608.03 1608.82 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1601.93 1608.03 Uh well, if you've got the number of fixations in the average time, you can then just generate it. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1605.14 1607.71 Yeah, then that's that's the way you want it? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1607.71 1608.4 That way around? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1610.53 1611.01 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1610.56 1613.21 So that's a measure of jiggle in the region, roughly. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1613.62 1613.96 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1623.08 1624.84 You can have as many of these as 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1614.46 1623.08 And uh y did you want the percentage of time fixated as opposed to which is sort of another view of this number. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1620.1 1620.66 Uh 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1621.34 1621.74 Moving. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1623.38 1627.72 Again, uh that that should be you should be able to derive that presumably from 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1634.54 1636.43 So um, you know 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1627.97 1634.54 Well, it's not um the the extra cost of having these as attributes is not high. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1626.93 1627.97 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1636.43 1645.49 it saves you i uh having to do write scripts to do arithmetic on that later if you know that these are numbers that are gonna be useful to you. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1641.64 1641.88 Okay. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1642 1642.33 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1644.92 1649.73 What's our error of measurement on location on the screen? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1649.73 1660.41 So to what degree do we actually know whether the two little eyes, little circles, are exactly in the same place or just somewhere in the same region? 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1663.04 1669.35 But if we're building in a sort of error margin um it it will be based on pixels around. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1659.38 1663.04 Uh that it can vary a bit depending on the calibration. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1676.21 1684.33 it'll need a slightly larger uh just because if what you have i is a sort of larger error or of b error margin around it. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1669.35 1670.79 But there'll also be a minimum one. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1670.79 1676.21 'Cause I'm trying to think that it's probably the small the actual mouse icon is so small 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1663.08 1663.75 Right, okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1666.29 1666.58 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1675.84 1676.18 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1680.32 1681.55 It's yeah, okay, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1682.83 1682.91 S 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1691.58 1697.86 Or is it only the the piece that the eye tra the other person's eye track is on that's that's an object in this definition? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1684.72 1689.59 So my question was going to be alright, the the mouse is a dynamic object, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1684.5 1684.72 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1689.59 1691.58 The eye track is a dynamic object? 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1685.19 1685.39 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1702.1 1702.66 Yep. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1698.44 1701.4 The o the other person's gaze position as well. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1701.4 1702.1 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1705.67 1706.13 Yep. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1706.13 1706.67 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1702.66 1705.67 Trea treated the same as as the mouse say. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1697.01 1698.44 Uh no. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1702.92 1707.73 With some with plus or minus something or other, yeah, around it. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1707.73 1710.6 Some circular area. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1711.7 1712.7 And 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1702.64 1702.92 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1710.6 1711.7 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1700.39 1702.64 Is a is an object. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1709.7 1710.39 Yes, yep. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1715.48 1720.42 Um so you can be on the object but not on the other person's gaze. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1720.42 1731.18 So there can be a triangle which has A. 's gaze in the centre and your gaze actually happens to be here. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1731.18 1733.91 You're in the triangle region. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1733.91 1734.51 Does this 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1724.04 1724.74 Yes. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1724.74 1726.73 So if there uh if mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1730.87 1731.31 Yes. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1733.72 1734.09 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1734.44 1740.19 But not looking at their individual and pr fact, they probably will avoid looking directly. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1740.19 1742.96 Because if they're looking directly at it, it's obscuring 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1738.21 1738.53 Okay. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1744.56 1746.35 the the part. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1746.39 1752.75 But it's directly added when when these two in this situation when these two overlap, right, like this. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1749.92 1750.35 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1752.5 1753.5 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1753.75 1754.4 Okay. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1761.74 1768.02 But so what you're suggesting there is they can be looking at the triangle and maybe a mouse pointer and maybe an eye at the same time. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1759.78 1761.74 So whether it's triangle or whatever else. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1754.4 1759.78 Yeah 'cause I think that that's gonna co that's 'cause b the diagram we got there suggesting that they're only looking thing at time. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1768.02 1768.65 Okay, okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1760.01 1760.26 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1761.8 1762.06 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1765.56 1765.8 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1770.89 1773.67 I mean because they would be in the same place. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1766.18 1767.03 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1773.67 1777.75 So if you y you're gonna have dynamic regions which overlap one another by definition. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1768.52 1770.89 Well it would come up it would say yes, right? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1777.75 1782.44 If the mouse is on the construct, then right, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1767.03 1767.58 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1767.58 1768.52 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1767.67 1768.09 The 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1773.32 1773.85 I don't know. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1773.73 1774.23 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1776.92 1778.51 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1778.51 1783.23 The m the mouse, the gaze and the part are all layered. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1781.28 1782.8 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1779.98 1780.31 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1782.8 1783.68 'Cause you get c 'cause you 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1780.31 1781.28 Yep. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1785.57 1790.57 So what you want is one track of information about which object it's one, one about whether or not it's on the other guy's gaze 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1782.25 1785.57 Well well but y those are different tracks of information. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1790.57 1793.88 and one about whether it's on um one of the mouse positions. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1785.92 1786.31 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1792.89 1796.15 We treat those as as other objects. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1796.15 1806.43 But the difference between them and the the parts of the c thing to be constructed is that they're allowed to overlap with other things so nothing breaks. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1806.43 1807.06 Okay? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1807.06 1808.9 If we mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1811.81 1818.88 Because they can be looking at they could look sim simultaneously at somebody's mouse, somebody's gaze and some object, right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1818.88 1819.34 So 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1807.04 1811.81 Yeah, but i in in the analysis you should treat those as completely separate tracks of information. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1812.06 1812.23 Ye 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1822.95 1824.91 And you want to know those things. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1818.72 1822.95 Yes, as opposed to simply looking at somebody's gaze when the mouse isn't also there, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1818.06 1818.72 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1824.91 1827.22 Right, they're i they're independent dynamic objects. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1823.61 1825.04 So the these are independent. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1822.8 1823.61 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1825.04 1831.35 So so what we want is whether they're looking at s at the other person's gaze, right,
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1831.35 1837.73 and say they are in this period well, I mean uh they're probably not given what I've trying to 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1823.2 1823.36 Yep. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1827.03 1827.33 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1855.69 1862.27 So at that point you should have a line-up of A. is on the construct, A. is on the mouse,
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1869.19 1869.55 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1835.91 1838.98 So a definition of we're all looking at and touching the same thing. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1843.9 1846.02 So now that's the construct. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1846.02 1851.81 And both mouse symbols are on it, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1838.98 1843.9 So imagine that we've just added a piece to the construct, alright. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1862.27 1869.19 A. is on A. is on A. 's mouse, A. is on B. 's mouse, A. is on B. 's gaze, and B. likewise. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1835.65 1835.91 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1851.81 1855.69 And both gazes are on it, right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1843.45 1843.75 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1851.11 1851.26 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1851.7 1851.94 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1854.86 1855.05 Yep. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1866.73 1866.98 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1872.94 1875.96 Because well we just added this fixation track. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1869.7 1872.94 So g so there's there's a lot of tracks here, right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1868.84 1869.7 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1872.79 1872.99 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1878.33 1879.43 Ooh, I love the eraser. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1878.52 1884.48 And then there is A. 's mouse, not their eyes, is on an object, right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1884.48 1887.49 And the mouse might be on triangle one. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1884.04 1885.47 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1885.47 1888.53 Yeah, but the mouse is also a dynamic object. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1903.52 1906.06 A. 's eye might be looking at A. 's mouse here. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1890.09 1891.32 But it doesn't matter. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1896.64 1903.52 And then um A. 's eye is on well A. 's mouse I guess, right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1894.84 1896.64 You know, it's on this object. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1891.32 1894.84 I mean i the mouse we're just saying where is the mouse. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1891.43 1891.92 That's fine. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1891.92 1892.21 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1894.34 1894.59 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1895.97 1896.16 Mm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1926.91 1928.16 There's no problem with that at all. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1922.17 1926.16 I guessing from what you're saying you want all these tracks. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1917.46 1919.31 So you just treat 'em as independent. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1919.31 1922.17 And I'm guessing from what you say yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1912.63 1917.46 I mean these are all the different ways of taking cross-products at the things that could be co-located. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1908.44 1912.63 A. 's eye might be looking at B. 's mouse here, right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1926.16 1926.91 Yeah, which is fine. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1912.99 1913.41 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1916.4 1916.66 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1919.56 1921.89 And then you then you look for combinations of them. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1921.89 1922.18 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1925.08 1926.11 I think we need to. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1936.9 1937.23 So 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1929.97 1934.27 And there are two measures of where the other guy is directing attention that you get from the visual track. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1934.27 1936.9 One is where the mouse is and the other is where the gaze is. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1926.11 1929.97 Because tha some measure of alignment is looking where the other guy is directing attention. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1929.59 1929.99 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1935.35 1935.6 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1940.64 1940.91 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1937.32 1940.64 S so um uh you kinda got the idea here? 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1956.14 1956.91 they're looking at whatever. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1941.5 1948.68 So so it's just a matter of adding these, the two mouse pointers and the um two gazes as extra objects. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1940.56 1940.97 Okay, yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1940.97 1941.5 So so yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1948.68 1950.05 Um so yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1950.05 1956.14 As long as as long as they've got an I. D. in there we can just say right at this p between these times they're looking at that object or they're looking at the mouse 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1940.01 1940.56 Yep, yep. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1943.21 1943.43 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1952.06 1952.31 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1955.63 1955.88 Right. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1956 1956.41 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1969.88 1971.01 'Cause they can happen at the same time. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1967.55 1969.88 If whether they're looking at the objects than whether they're looking at the gaze. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1957.19 1961.02 But the important thing is you don't treat that entire set as mutually exclusive and exhaustive. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1961.02 1967.55 It's just so tha the objects is like a separate level of analysis. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1957.22 1957.96 So 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1966.05 1967.92 Be 'cause 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1963.58 1966.05 Yeah, that actually true. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1965.89 1966.32 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1969.77 1970.08 Right 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1970.08 1983.34 but that it's also gonna be the case that um whatever region you define as the region of the dynamic object of the red triangle may get to the point where it overlaps the region of the dynamic object of the green square. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1983.34 1984.62 Okay, what do we do about that? 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 1971.23 1971.38 Yep. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1985.01 1985.67 Does that happen? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1986.22 1990.26 Yeah, because if you have them close together, there's always some fuzz factor around them. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1996 2001.17 in the in the supplies set they're actually neatly packed into a little space. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 1990.26 1996 And so if they're left lying close together, okay, or in the in fact in the model, in the not in the model 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1989.37 1991.29 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1991.29 1991.6 It 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1986.37 1989.37 Uh uh if when they get moved together. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1989.28 1990 Oh, right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 1993.16 1993.56 Uh-huh. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 1994.56 1995.04 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2001.33 2001.76 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2001.76 2005.51 So what you're saying is like a new problem for us, which is I'm gonna change 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2001.35 2001.82 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2004.08 2004.33 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2004.88 2012.9 Two objects close together, your eye gaze can actually be looking at the left edge of one and the right edge of the other. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2012.9 2015.04 And they're sor therefore looking at two objects at once. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2010.64 2011.9 That's the bad one. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2012.78 2013.09 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2015.28 2015.59 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2015.59 2016.4 So you're saying 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2015.3 2015.56 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2019.13 2019.77 Yes. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2017.15 2019.13 Squeak squeak. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2017.19 2020.11 Saying they need some new pens. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2019.01 2020.32 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2022.02 2024.01 Just say, yeah, pens. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2020.32 2022.02 Can you write on my pen pad? 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2022.01 2026.62 New pens. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2026.62 2027.44 White-board pens. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2023.26 2025.66 Pens. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2028.42 2034.01 So you're saying, you know, they could be looking at um uh square one at this point. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2026.31 2028.42 White-board pens. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2034.01 2034.63 'Cause they 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2033.86 2034.47 I confuse 'em. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2035.92 2039.14 Because the two are so close together that their regions overlap. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2036.59 2037.45 close together. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2039.14 2043.25 Okay, that's a problem for the data models and either of the things that we were using. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2042 2042.46 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2044.06 2051.65 Uh unle uh but it uh unless we just define it as there's only they're they are exclusive. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2051.65 2056.59 And which ever area m has the greatest overlap is what they're actually looking at. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2042.09 2044.06 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2044.95 2045.52 that would 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2043.98 2044.95 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2057.3 2058.56 What do you mean by greatest overlap? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2057.81 2058.91 The greatest overlap with what? 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2058.85 2062.46 Well it w if if you've got your sort of eye position 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2062.46 2066.96 and it's it's unlikely to be exactly fifty percent in one object and fifty percent in the other. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2061.85 2062.44 Ho ho. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2067.8 2071.12 Draw uh my g my uh spacial reasoning is no good. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2069.13 2069.56 Uh 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2070.84 2072.28 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2084.08 2084.82 You know, so this is 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2078.02 2084.08 Uh uh what I'm I'm thinking is if you've got say one object there and right. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2077.73 2078.02 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2072.51 2077.73 Well I uh uh put these things on. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2072.58 2074.4 I think I think you're throwing information away. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2075.44 2078.6 'Cause I actually put the the microphones on. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2073.44 2075.44 See uh I I'm the one that uses the white-board. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2084.69 2085.62 Uh this is the better pen. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2086.88 2093.21 thank you. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2097.21 2099.12 And you've got they're sort of they're looking 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2093.21 2097.21 Uh part one and part two. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2101.04 2101.41 there. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2101.91 2102.34 Uh-huh. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2103.46 2109.48 Then that overlap means they're looking at the two pieces simultaneously. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2111.04 2112.5 But you had a way of choosing which one, right? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2109.69 2111.04 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2110.98 2111.41 But 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2116.19 2117.38 You've just thrown data away. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2113.14 2115.19 But it may be a bad idea. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2112.76 2113.14 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2115.19 2116.19 It may be a bad idea. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2117.79 2128.16 uh that's w uh that's that's a decision we'll uh uh uh I'm saying is if they're looking if most of what their overlap is here then we stick with that one. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2112.87 2117.79 Yeah, uh just if this is there's more of it uh yeah, I yes 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2117.69 2118.55 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2120.92 2122.53 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2122.53 2122.62 J 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2121.05 2121.95 Well thing is that with 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2135.44 2137.33 They're looking at a pixel or something, right? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2128.69 2135.44 So you just mean which i is it closer to the is the circle I mean, what is this circle? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2128.78 2129.2 Well 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2149 2150.23 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2165.46 2170.15 Or b yeah, they could just be oscillating mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2155.01 2159.03 It's it's a it's a sort of lump target. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2144.52 2145.76 It won't just be a pixel. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2145.76 2149 It'll it'll be an actual like circle and area. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2150.23 2155.01 So i i it it that's that's going to be w uh it's it's not just a single point. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2135.79 2144.52 Uh that's th we no, that because um the gaze position will be a sort of fuzzy area. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2159.03 2165.46 And so there'll be a bit of a a sort uh some sort of overlap of two objects. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2150.92 2151.57 That's natural. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2147.73 2149.3 The gaze will wobble. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2149.3 2150.92 The gaze will wobble. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2147.76 2148.16 Right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2155.34 2155.83 Yeah yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2153.86 2155.34 Oh, so those vary in size. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2151.9 2153.86 S right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2155.27 2155.48 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2159.05 2159.34 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2164.04 2164.14 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2164.5 2167.23 Or indeed they might be looking from one to another. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2167.23 2172.3 D or deciding which one to choose or thinking so you don't want to decide it's only one and throw the other one out. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2167.71 2168.42 They could be. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2167.11 2167.71 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2171.65 2175.13 thing thing is W. G. D. S. formats is wor is working at the moment. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2177.09 2177.61 So 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2169.38 2171.65 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2175.13 2177.09 It's actually got a separate track for each part. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2175.17 2175.39 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2176.78 2178.01 Okay, well that's fine. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2178.01 2180.06 That I was going to say that's the obvious way to do it. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2181.96 2186.71 Because it's gonna how many parts are there? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2179.52 2181.96 Oh, but what pain that's gonna be analytically. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2186.71 2187.2 Like 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2180.21 2180.55 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2183.46 2187.75 Well each one is yes or no. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2187.75 2188.28 couple of dozen. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2184.27 2184.92 Well the 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2189.42 2194.78 There's different parts there's different parts whether you're doing the tamgram or whether you're doing an airpa airplane or whatever. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2194.78 2195.47 Um 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2187.05 2189.42 Well the the the it depen depends on the depends on what you build in. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2189.63 2189.92 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2195.73 2197.33 Six to a dozen usually. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2197.05 2199.29 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2199.29 2200.94 I know ways of getting around this analytically. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2197.17 2204.1 But th but sa but thing is if if we if we got if we got tracks for each for each part we can we can easily analyse it down later on. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2202.16 2202.44 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2203.57 2203.94 'Cause you c 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2203.67 2204.03 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2204.03 2208.69 I mean I think it's very likely that um if people are considering f mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2211.57 2219.12 So you are actually going to see them flipping between uh when you decide they're looking there mm-hmm, if they're really close, yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2205.04 2205.98 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2205.98 2211.57 Uh I mean if if they are oscillating though, then that's presumably going to st change the weight. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2217.4 2218.41 If the regions i 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2214.96 2217.4 Well, not if the regions overlap, okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2216.61 2219.3 If they're really close to each other, it's gonna get foxed. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2219.3 2219.77 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2219.98 2220.73 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2220.73 2226.67 And if you define the regions so neatly that there's that,
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2226.67 2232.84 you know, that we're losing gaze because of jiggle outside this closely defined region when it's in the middle of space, then 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2220.26 2220.53 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2224.05 2224.44 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2230.19 2230.75 H yes. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2234.13 2241.41 I mean I I actually like the solution, however ugly it it looks in terms of a data format of having a track for every possible object of gaze. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2239.69 2240.47 Yeah, well the 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2273.55 2275.94 'Cause you'll get very sparse data on each track. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2251.19 2251.46 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2263.46 2269.73 It's just you know, in ELAN it that has the side effect that if you go for the naturalistic way of of up-translating to ELAN 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2286.23 2288.84 Well, it's big, right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2269.73 2271.4 there'll be a zillion tracks. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2257.01 2258.69 But i c we can find ways around that. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2249.32 2251.19 Did they jointly look at square one. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2281.85 2286.23 You know, where they talk about one object one landmark and then another landmark. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2258.69 2263.46 I think for now we we do it this way and then we we think about what we need out of it in the end. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2241.35 2244.01 It's the um the way you do the analysis. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2275.94 2281.85 It'll be like the old referring expression generalis uh uh visualization um the map task. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2244.01 2248.98 Because you don't wanna have to say um, you know, did they jointly look at triangle one. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2248.98 2249.32 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2271.4 2273.55 And it'll probably ruin their viewer. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2251.46 2257.01 Did they jointly look at you know, you need some way of uh uh going over the whole thing. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2239.86 2241.35 It's not the data format I'm worried about. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2251.67 2251.87 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2255.35 2257 S a thing. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2257 2257.37 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2259.15 2259.55 So 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2258.65 2259.15 Well okay. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2263.61 2263.69 Hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2269.58 2269.8 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2275.55 2275.96 Uh-huh. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2282.83 2284.04 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2288.73 2291.36 Yeah, it is big, and you do have to scroll through it to see what's going on. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2295.48 2299.13 But so we'd we'd better do a test one and and listen to them scream. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2291.36 2294.21 But it gives you a very clear picture of what's going on. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2284.04 2284.8 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2294.21 2295.48 Yeah, well, okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2284.8 2288.73 I always thought that was brilliant. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2293.02 2294.48 Well we'll see if ELAN likes it or not. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2296.11 2296.67 The yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2304.81 2307.83 It it affects the way we do the N. X. T. u up-translation and make things easier for people. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2297.81 2304.81 Yeah, and we b we better also like have in the representational list of par like even in the N. X. T. up-translation a list of parts. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2303.76 2304.51 With parts. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2304.92 2305.25 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2306.39 2307.54 So I mean so 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2306.16 2306.39 Right. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2334.69 2338 Um so uh so it's effectively a track for each I. D. . 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2306.65 2306.87 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2315.44 2319.42 So you've the an I. D. for a part, you got an I. D. for a location on the screen. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2322.05 2325.94 Um and then we can easy add I. D. s for the two mouse points and the two gazes. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2311.65 2315.44 There so that bas basically what I've got is well there there there's places where you got the I. D. though. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2309.17 2310.77 Um so yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2310.77 2311.65 That that that's not a problem. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2325.94 2333.21 Um and from that and ba basically all all the all the tracks are doing is saying at this between this time there's a look at this o this object. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2306.87 2309.17 Well the the the the doesn't really list part in the in the G. D. F. . 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2333.21 2334.69 Yeah, th this I. D. . 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2319.42 2322.05 So it shows you the target, config the clock, whatever else. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2317.6 2317.91 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2338.94 2343.52 So what about the point where a part becomes the construct? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2349.31 2349.56 'Cause 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2343.52 2345.37 Do you still identify it as a part? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2345.37 2349.31 I mean I think one should lose that I take it. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2338.66 2338.94 Okay. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2343.38 2346.53 The th yeah the but but 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2347.77 2356.71 Well wha wha what happen what happens there is that the the two the the existing parts basically cease to exist and a new part with a new I. D. starts existing at the point where they're joined. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2350.62 2350.8 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2352.09 2352.3 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2353.55 2353.81 Right. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2354.46 2354.83 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2377.25 2378.28 But it's construct one. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2384.19 2389.76 So actually defining all of those as the construct is gonna be the trickiest thing. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2361.53 2370.01 So the construct actually um has say it has six things that are added to some initial thing, okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2378.28 2384.19 Because when you add another part, construct one ceases to exist and you get construct two, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2370.01 2375.36 So if there's just the initial thing you've put it in the middle of the screen, that's just the initial object, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2356.54 2361.53 So you cha so every time a part is added to the construct, it becomes a new part. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2375.36 2377.25 Soon as you put a part, there's a construct. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2374.9 2375.19 Yep. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2381.48 2381.81 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2383.07 2383.6 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2390.55 2400.57 Uh i it's also going to be a problem uh because you're going to have one part or a construct forming in the middle of a fixation. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2392.46 2392.84 Well the 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2402.26 2402.52 Right. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2402.96 2407.28 So it's not gonna be quite as clear if you can't can't chop it off. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2410.61 2414.6 And it becomes construct or assembly whatever two. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2407.48 2410.61 And then it yes. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2407.28 2407.48 Uh-huh. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2405.11 2413.46 So you're you're looking at triangle one, right, and all of a sudden it ceases to exist. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2404.87 2405.11 Right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2418.02 2420.92 It's there is no the construct, right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2407.96 2418.02 And it suddenly becomes and there could be more than one construct at a time, right. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2414.5 2415.46 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2415.46 2415.9 Oh. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2418.19 2420.35 'Cause you can build sub-assemblies. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2421.54 2424.78 Also when you when you screw it up, you g start again. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2420.35 2421.54 And then you can start again. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2421.11 2425.06 You can build sub sub-assemblies and then link the the part really, yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2420.21 2421.11 No. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2424.81 2425.02 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2425.33 2428.85 What why does it why does construct one become construct two when you add something to it? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2429.06 2430.94 Because the definition 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2436.02 2436.67 Um 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2432.14 2436.02 Because it uh th it's it's generating a new I. D. when you c when you create a new part. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2429.96 2432.14 Yeah, that that that that's what that's what that's the way he's working the moment. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2434.23 2435.16 I so each 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2440.44 2441.11 it's just a one thing. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2436.37 2440.44 Oh, and this is because we don't want it to stay triangle one when you start with a construct it's not a construct at all 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2441.11 2444.92 And we don't want triangle one to suddenly have bigger stuff. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2435.51 2436.37 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2441.42 2441.61 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2446.76 2453.8 So do we know the difference between um we broke it and it went away and um it's now part of the construct? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2443.71 2446.76 Well, the problem is that all of these things are popping out of existence. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2443.78 2444.23 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2455.08 2456.42 But there there's there's joint events. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2454.37 2455.08 Um yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2456.42 2462.15 So if the if a joint event if if if it's there's joint event linked to linked to the item then you know it's become part of a construct. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2462.15 2463.58 Um of um 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2463.91 2466.5 Can we ta can we tag the constructs with what's in them? 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2468.23 2469.69 The con the con the constructs are already tagged with that. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2467.42 2468.23 Yeah, the the the yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2473.66 2477.84 which which two parts made it made that came together to make that construct. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2469.69 2473.66 So that I'm act there's actually a s a separate file of the data format which says for each construct 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2467.76 2468.66 Yeah yeah, there are. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2468.66 2469.01 There are. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2467.89 2468.81 Wai w I th uh 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2468.35 2468.65 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2474.5 2475.81 Which constituent parts. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2479.76 2486.11 then we could cumulati or it is a new construct 'cause it has a new list of a new cumulative list of parts, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2476.02 2476.55 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2486.11 2486.64 But we will 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2476.55 2479.76 So we could we could essentially well,
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2488.42 2490.35 So you can still find triangle one, whatever. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2485.8 2488.42 But you can still ta you can still track what parts went into it. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2485.37 2485.8 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2488.01 2488.33 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2488.33 2488.76 So 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2490.46 2499.03 So some fancy programming's gonna have to be done to say I was looking at triangle one and now I'm looking at triangle one in construct one. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2499.03 2503.44 'Cause the first construct was triangle one and square one, okay. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2499.17 2499.39 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2502.5 2502.83 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2502.83 2509.12 But but that's easy n uh it's easy to do because the the co each construct has the I. D. s for the pa the things that construct it. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2507.83 2509.23 Alright. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2509.23 2512.4 So now we have to ask whether um 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2520.48 2525.12 And we're considering now adding something on to the side of the square that isn't attached to the triangle. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2515.25 2520.48 So l let's imagine this, we've made a construct of two parts, and we're c i a triangle and a square. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2526.48 2526.73 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2526.71 2527.12 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2528.82 2531.96 Are we looking at the square or we looking at the construct? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2534.98 2535.32 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2533.35 2534.98 That was the next question I had. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2533.1 2533.35 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2533.21 2533.73 Construct. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2534.29 2534.58 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2536.96 2538.27 You'll be looking at the construct. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2538.27 2539.61 'Cause that's the way it's dis defined. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2540.94 2543.98 There isn't a way to figure out that you're looking at the square rather than the triangle. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2538.64 2540.94 Uh in this definit should be looking at the construct. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2540.84 2541.3 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2541.3 2541.6 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2544.16 2551.03 Well we'll d yeah well with the yeah d well thing is that we we still have the X. wa the X. wave traces from the ASCII formats. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2561.26 2563.78 But I can easily add it to give that information if you want. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2555.61 2557.9 that's it is possible to get that data out. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2557.9 2558.96 Um it's it's yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2551.03 2555.61 So if if you want if you want to be able to say I'm looking at a square instead of I'm looking at the construct 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2558.96 2561.26 It's it's not doing it's not doing it in the gest analyzer at the moment. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2544.55 2545.71 Looking at areas within it. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2554.54 2554.73 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2557.96 2558.4 It is. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2558.63 2559.04 Oh yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2561.5 2561.85 Well 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2577.94 2591.06 Um so what I'm trying to run through in my head is that we can always tell the difference between um something going out of existence 'cause it's joined to construct something going out of existence 'cause we threw it away 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2606.42 2607.88 It's the replacement for triangle one. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2600.54 2602.71 and we took another one. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2573.46 2577.94 Of course there's an area which is common to both of them, okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2591.06 2591.32 right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2563.58 2570.78 Okay, because I mean that's that's the example m f presumably that's the best example of overlapping overlapping areas. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2570.78 2573.46 'Cause if if the thing the two s the two things are now abutted. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2591.32 2600.54 Suppose we pick up an we we we screwed up the first time we put the triangle with the square and we threw it away and decided we didn't like it 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2602.71 2603.94 Is it triangle one? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2603.94 2606.42 Is it triangle one prime or something like that? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2574.75 2575.33 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2575.33 2576.27 That'll cover most of 'em. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2591.65 2591.89 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2598.94 2599.21 Hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2608.05 2609.21 It's triangle two. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2607.17 2608.05 I yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2607.76 2611.56 Yeah, if if you take it if you t if you crea if you create a new part, it uh it gets a new I. D. . 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2611.56 2613.42 So if you get if you drag a new part out of the parts bin 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2609.21 2609.39 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2612.52 2614.34 Well how do I know what it replaces? 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2615.35 2616.05 Uh 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2615.48 2618.78 You don't because that's you'd have to have human coding to do that. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2618.78 2622.59 Yeah, there might be multiple triangles that you've broke and you won't know which one they're planning on using it for. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2618.82 2619.59 Yeah, I mean the we e 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2618.96 2619.57 Uh w 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2619.17 2619.55 N n 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2623.32 2631.55 But if I have triangles one two three, right, and I throw them away, any triangles I take out are to replace one two three. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2622.54 2623.32 Uh this is true. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2631.72 2633.81 Well you know which mold they come from. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2635.96 2638.57 But you can't possibly know which one of the ones they're meant to replace. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2633.81 2635.96 And so you know which shape they match. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2634.34 2634.64 Okay. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2639.16 2640.43 Yeah, I mean you know whi you know which way they match. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2640.43 2640.89 So you can 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2642.17 2646.25 But you know they're not meant to replace any that are all that are that haven't been thrown away. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2639.32 2642.17 Except that ex no, you don't know which one they're meant to replace. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2646.25 2646.61 Okay. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2645.82 2652.66 They can't replace uh the new parts only appear when the previous one's broken. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2654.6 2658.94 So the new parts are replacing those which have disappeared from the screen. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2654.31 2654.6 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2658.94 2662.71 And if there's no more T. R. one track the T. R. one track is gone now. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2659.4 2661.77 They ca they can appear without them. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2661.77 2662 You c 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2658.44 2659.4 Yes. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2662.26 2664.11 Oh, so there's no two parts with the same shape? 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2662.67 2663.24 Yeah, the 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2664.77 2665.37 Oh there are many. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2667.95 2668.8 Uh same eye. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2669.08 2669.26 Yep. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2668.8 2669.08 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2664.89 2667.95 Uh with same shape but not the same shape and colour. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2665.77 2666.18 Then 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2667.33 2668.42 Same identity. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2668.04 2669.02 Oh same shape and colour. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2669.02 2669.62 Right okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2669.71 2670.35 Oh, is that true? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2670.35 2673.16 You've decided not to make all the triangles red and squares green and 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2671.55 2675.43 Well that's well that's that's what they're at the moment. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2675.43 2675.88 Uh 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2674.35 2674.81 Oh, okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2676.6 2679.09 Because it's the same it's uh just a case of the mold, right? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2675.14 2676.6 So you can tell what it's meant to replace then. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2674.8 2675.14 Oh okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2677.57 2678.55 One two and three. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2678.55 2678.78 they 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2676.24 2677.57 Right. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2680.41 2682.04 So that's the way it works at the moment. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2682.04 2685.52 Uh I just assume that's how ni Nijmegen had set it all up. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2679.94 2680.41 Yes. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2687.52 2688.12 So 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2687.16 2687.52 Okay. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2687.52 2694.67 Th that's that's back to uh Tim's day. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2698.79 2699.34 Unique, yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2694.67 2698.79 They are individual uh you have different colours for the yep. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2689.39 2689.98 So there 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2690.36 2691.01 yep. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2692.08 2693.53 So shape plus colour. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2694.78 2695.1 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2701.32 2702.07 So wai hang on. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2702.07 2704.89 That makes the task a little bit easier, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2697.6 2699.36 They're unique. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2699.36 2701.32 All the parts are unique. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2698.92 2699.04 Yep. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2704.05 2704.48 Yes. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2706.07 2709.42 The tam tamgrams are much easier when you can see 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2712.86 2714.11 So 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2709.8 2712.86 The uh all the lines. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2710.83 2711.27 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2711.64 2711.88 Yep. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2713.48 2715.65 It is just a construction task rather than a puzzle. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2718.71 2722.72 Which kind of leaves you with an obvious way of making the same task harder and easier, doesn't it? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2717.06 2718.71 Indeed. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2723.42 2723.64 Yep. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2724.25 2725.6 But the this also 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2723.84 2724.25 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2736.25 2741.11 It's the figuring out stuff that gets harder if everything is purple. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2734.37 2736.25 The construction task is essentially the same. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2726.29 2728.36 I mean that's really a thing we might do. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2724.74 2726.29 But but that's hard to code. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2728.36 2728.91 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2728.91 2731.89 So now let's make sure that the coding would survive that. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2731.89 2734.37 It's just it's a beautifully controlled situation. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2741.11 2746.49 For a just to choose a colour at random here. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2734.51 2734.76 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2741.03 2741.34 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2741.26 2741.55 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2743.35 2744.07 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2744.07 2744.25 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2743.74 2744.56 So yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2745.82 2747.42 There's there's then two triangle, isn't there? 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2749.53 2750.17 Um 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2743.57 2743.74 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2744.56 2745.82 Yeah, so I think that anything's loading. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2747.42 2749.53 There's two identical triangles in the tamgram. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2768.81 2776.5 Whereas in in the revised edition if they were all just black there'd only be one uh mold in the new parts. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2749.51 2749.99 Uh yes. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2758.9 2760.69 At the moment they're in different colours. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2760.69 2768.81 That also means in the p new parts list they're there for, you know, two v large triangles and two small one small ones, say. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2755.47 2758.9 They're actually the same physical size and shape. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2749.99 2755.47 It at the moment there are d uh there are two I think two small ones and two large triangles. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2758.02 2758.26 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2773.76 2774.09 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2783.36 2785.03 Or is it just an artifact of the way we s 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2781.75 2783.36 So is this hard-wired into Tim's program? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2776.5 2781.75 We in when you specify these things, do you specify the molds or does it figure out what the molds are based on? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2775.05 2776.5 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2775.52 2775.81 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2784.18 2786.06 As far as I know it's hard-wired. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2786.06 2787.92 It just appears so. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2792.04 2796.7 the molds are bas just taken out of the the file that generate that specifies the parts. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2796.7 2802.52 So so ho however many part however many mo however many parts there are in the file, that's how many parts appear in the in the parts box. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2786.17 2786.95 Well yeah yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2786.95 2792.04 When you when you specify the molds in the in the in the p the file that c that generates the parts, like a list of parts 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2796.53 2796.83 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2796.2 2796.53 Right. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2797.38 2800.27 The polygon one, polygon two, whatever it might be. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2796.68 2797.38 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2798.31 2798.86 So it's hard-wired. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2806.31 2806.69 Or one? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2802.57 2806.31 So if you have five black triangles, there gonna be five black triangles in the parts box? 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2820 2825.36 you just create one black triangle in the parts box and then re-use that pa that triangle five times in the configuration. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2807.68 2812.7 If you have five black triangles gonna be five five parts in the fi five black black triangles in the parts box. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2818.08 2820 So if you so if you only want one black triangle 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2812.7 2818.08 But what what what but what you can do well if in the in the initial configuration you can re-use a triangle. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2812.24 2812.48 Uh-huh. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2812.35 2814.47 So minor modification needed for 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2814.87 2815.01 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2816.49 2816.7 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2817.74 2818.23 Mm mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2820.15 2820.35 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2822.26 2822.48 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2827.19 2827.5 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2828.44 2829.6 As long as it this is possible. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2827.79 2828.44 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2844.75 2850.2 Um and Baufix has has multiple, you know, all the the 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2841.86 2844.75 'Cause I'm tr I'm trying to kinda map this onto Baufix. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2833.83 2841.86 so much like a single one zero variable change that it if it that doesn't already exist. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2829.6 2833.83 So c that that just is a kind of thing which is so simple 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2830 2830.15 Yep. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2837.19 2839.49 Yep, same same pieces. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2834.02 2837.19 Hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2840.56 2842.27 Uh but what were the req wha 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2845.99 2847.1 Has multiples, yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2849.53 2850.19 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2851.59 2858.53 The the v the nuts are are red or and all the um flat things are wood colour something. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2855.04 2855.57 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2855.57 2855.68 Mm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2857.48 2861.44 No, so they they can have different uh nuts there. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2861.44 2863.56 W well nuts that are different colours. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2863.56 2864.93 But same part in different colours, yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2864.91 2865.25 Oh yeah? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2862.56 2864.91 The same part the same part is different colours. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2865.49 2868.11 Yeah, uh but they don't have enough to make unique 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2868.63 2872.22 No, what I mean there's more than they're multiple pieces that look the same. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2872.22 2873.5 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2874.15 2875.01 So what 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2872.78 2874.15 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2882.6 2887.45 And I think that's how the robot is set up to there are five five green bolts. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2874.5 2882.6 So when you say a red nut or a green bolt or a long green bolt then there'll be lots of them lying around. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2887.45 2888.52 Uh here is one, you know. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2882.82 2883.15 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2884.6 2885.34 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2885.34 2885.8 So I th 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2886.53 2886.91 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2888.5 2892.68 I think we've gotten to the point where, you know, to try to summarise 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2898.69 2902.32 But I'm still worried about what the uh effects are for analysis. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2908.54 2908.81 And w 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2902.32 2908.54 Because you were aiming at something in um the G. D. F. format and I wasn't quite sure what. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2892.68 2898.69 uh we we think Tim's program can do both of these conditions that you want. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2898.75 2899.37 So 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2897.41 2898.42 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2898.42 2898.75 Okay. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 2897.88 2898.27 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2908.66 2919.56 so w uh all I'm I'm doing is kind of worrying out loud about all the things that will happen that we'll miss by th a simple view of for example regions and looking at at triangle one. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2921.97 2923.62 Um does it s keep its identity. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2919.56 2921.97 When is triangle one not triangle one anymore. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2908.4 2908.66 Okay 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2931.21 2935.18 And you know it's a black triangle 'cause you know which mold it came from. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2922.77 2928.28 So I'll summarise what we said about that part that um every time you cast off a new part from a mold or,
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2919.79 2922.77 So so okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2928.28 2931.21 you know, every black triangle has a different I. D. . 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2919.36 2919.79 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2935.18 2939.72 But you don't know which part it was intended to replace on the screen, because you can't mind-read. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2926.64 2926.8 Mm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2930.2 2931.06 Identity, yes. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 2935.2 2935.36 Yep. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2935.54 2935.78 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2942.92 2946.09 So how can we define the shapes that people build? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2939.68 2942.92 That's true. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2948.24 2949.29 What do you mean define? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2949.54 2949.96 Well 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2953.67 2959.66 If assuming I was for a moment I was J. P. and I wanted to know how they actually went about building the thing. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2961.55 2962.29 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2966.71 2971.8 And I wanted to see if the strategy was different when we could talk about it and when we just picked up whatever. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2962.29 2966.71 And I wanted to um to look at the strategy. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2971.8 2975.98 I mean suppose I can't talk to you and I'm doing this task with you and I can't talk to you. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2975.98 2976.37 Um 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 2972.35 2972.69 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2977.65 2981.7 the thing which is gonna be hardest for me is making elaborate plans with you. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2981.7 2984.32 I can reach for the next thing and you can go where I reach. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2984.32 2988.12 But if I have some, you know, sub-goal, some long-term sub-goal 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2988.12 2993.31 of doing something clever with putting these together 'cause it's hard and then putting these together 'cause it's hard 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2996.21 3004.84 And the difference in the history of construction, right, is an important thing, and I wonder how we can get that information back. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 2993.31 2996.21 there it's gonna be almost impossible to convey that to you. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3000.48 3000.84 Mm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3004.89 3009.49 I think that this is a human coding that is part of the action coding. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3009.49 3015.25 Because I don't see how anybody but a person watching this can guess why they cast off this thing at this time. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3008.1 3009.45 Do you think? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3018.66 3022.58 The question I'm asking is what's the history of the construct? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3024.95 3029.06 And you have two constructs suppose we have two sub-constructs. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3015.51 3018.66 No, it why is not uh that's that's not the question I'm asking. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3029.06 3035.57 And whichever one had two pieces put together first is the earlier numbered of those constructs, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3022.58 3024.95 So you have the n the names of the things in there. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3035.57 3041.91 How do you tell the difference between adding a piece to this first construct and creating a second construct? 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3034.71 3034.87 Yep. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3047.87 3051.6 you've got like your p your parent construct and the parts that it's constructed out of. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3043.11 3047.87 Well when the when the f when the final construct the the way the the way the the constructs are defined in the file 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3051.6 3053.19 Um and yeah, as I say, the 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3047.82 3047.99 Mm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3051.04 3051.46 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3053.04 3054.88 It's it's it's parent child relationship. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3054.95 3055.47 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3055.47 3059.07 So you got parent child relationship and i the child can be a part or it can be another construct. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3059.08 3065.65 So construct two could b um construct one is um a red triangle and a green square. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3070.85 3077.85 Construct three, right, is a red triangle, a green square and another red triangle. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3077.85 3080.42 Construct four okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3058.67 3059.08 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3065.65 3070.85 Construct two is um two green squares, okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3082.26 3083.73 And when you say what a construct 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3079.32 3082.26 Yeah, but that's okay 'cause they all have different underlying part numbers. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3091.62 3095.25 No, that's a definition wherein a construct has a c has constructs as children? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3083.29 3091.62 And you can so how are we gonna tell when for example you think we're gonna have to do human coding on when two sub-constructs are put together. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3082.59 3083.29 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3092.47 3093.04 No, no. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3091.75 3092.47 No. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3095.38 3095.7 Yes. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3095.8 3096.29 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3096.29 3097.46 'Cause uh there's a joint action. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3106.11 3108.59 You can see that construct appeared at that time. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3108.59 3111.21 Um and you can still track the children of that construct. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3097.46 3103.23 The result the t what you need for a join action you need to yeah, a construct and a part, two parts, whate whatever you're taking together. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3104.8 3106.11 You've got time when that happens. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3103.23 3104.8 And then the result of that is a construct. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3095.94 3096.39 Yes. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3096.89 3097.21 Okay. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3102.3 3102.56 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3102.4 3102.78 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3108.28 3108.52 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3126.55 3130.91 And we can do that by simply searching for any constructs that have constructs as children. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3125.83 3126.55 okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3109.84 3125.83 So we could zip we could zip through this and look at all the um all the interactions in which people build sub-construct contstructs first which we expect them to do bu as a wild hypothesis more when they have verbal communication than when they don't 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3125.54 3125.73 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3131.24 3131.47 Yep. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3134.98 3138.58 It's just the why they g why they get new parts that's the problem for us. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3145.5 3146.11 if they do. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3132.16 3134.98 So we can easily look at things like that automatically. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3131.64 3132.16 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3138.58 3145.5 We can't if they suddenly if they decide to get a part of a mold we don't know we can't know why until they do something with it 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3132.96 3133.31 Okay. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3133.2 3133.58 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3139.27 3139.49 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3145.68 3149.98 Yeah, we haven't actually made a rule that you can't uh collect extra parts, right? 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3152.05 3154.38 So you can't collect them. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3154.85 3156.63 There there are a couple of them that it's like greyed out. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3150.31 3152.05 And the extra parts don't appear. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3159.04 3161.58 But they don't come filled uh until 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3154.38 3154.85 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3157.53 3159.04 So you see the mold is there. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3156.63 3157.53 They really very faint. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3153.27 3154.78 Oh yeah, you said that. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3154.78 3155.34 Um 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3157.06 3157.81 Yeah, but you can 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3160.72 3160.98 No no. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3160.98 3163.82 I mean you have to b you have to break one to get one, okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3169.79 3171.1 Oh okay, never mind then. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3161.5 3169.79 But you can break you you can but you can break one when you break one, you don't cast off the mold yourself, it happens automatically? 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3163.06 3163.48 Yes. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3170.13 3177.61 I i it appears in the new p uh like uh suddenly the th th the new part lights up sort of thing and it's there. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3169.35 3170.13 Yes. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3173.12 3174.62 So they just have to use it, yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3178.38 3181.24 Oh, but they have to drag it up past the mold line. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3177.05 3178.38 Uh-huh. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3181.24 3181.62 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3181.26 3182.57 They have to bring it into play. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3180.74 3181.26 Yes. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3183 3183.3 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3186.59 3188.68 You have to screw up first and then you can bring an extra. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3184.13 3186.59 And you can't just bring extras in case you screw up. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3186.67 3187.18 Nope. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3188.32 3191.37 That that is one think unlike the say the Baufix or anything. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3201.06 3207.62 Replacement, but no superfluous so you can't have a a standard stock with extra parts that it'll never use. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3199.61 3201.06 Yes. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3191.37 3192.94 We I assume the the Baufix. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3187.18 3188.32 That yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3192.94 3194.73 The there aren't any extra parts. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3194.73 3199.61 And at the moment the software doesn't a allow for that. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3185.94 3186.67 No. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3192.32 3193.45 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3191.05 3192.32 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3194.42 3194.8 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3193.45 3194.42 Mm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3191.82 3193.09 Yeah, where there's extra parts. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3197.48 3201.85 I but it does have replacement. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3200.06 3200.23 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3203.58 3203.74 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3204.49 3205.02 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3207.38 3211.36 There there's a so you so so you appreciate you appreciate the cost of 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3206.04 3207.38 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3207.28 3207.6 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3207.6 3209.8 So this why question doesn't even arise because 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3209.21 3209.62 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3211.22 3211.94 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3213.53 3219.73 When they decide to move it past the mold line, they're p doing something with it probably and you'll know what they're gonna do with it because 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3212.23 3213.53 'Cause you know what they're gonna do with it. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3212.66 3213.07 screwing up. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3217.71 3217.93 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3218.19 3218.4 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3226.35 3226.67 So 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3224.37 3226.35 So you'll so you'll know what they're replacing. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3220.58 3224.37 Yeah, well by by the by the time by the time they're doing that they must have already broken something. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3220.94 3221.45 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3221.34 3221.69 They do it. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3227.52 3227.78 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3226.61 3227.52 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3232.08 3233.91 Is there a way of 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3231.48 3232.08 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3227.78 3231.48 So they rejected something or they broke something inadvertantly. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3224.31 3226.61 Mm-hmm, that's right. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3224.45 3224.69 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3224.73 3225.11 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3226.73 3227.19 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3235.48 3238.97 telling the difference between intentional and unintentional breakages? 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3240.8 3248.22 Intentional um in the sense that they break deliberately when they bring them into the new parts. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3248.22 3251.12 But they c you know, it's like the trash can idea that they bring a 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3240.82 3241.58 How would you do that? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3246.47 3246.91 Bec yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3249.75 3253.84 No, you p they both put they both put their hands on a construct because they don't like it. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3255 3258.78 Yeah, but there's there'd be no way of coding that automatically, right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3258.78 3259.77 How could you possibly do that? 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3259.83 3263.08 You have to hope that there's language and one of them says something. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3263.08 3264.91 You c mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3264.91 3272.06 Uh there's no there's there's no way you could tell that just from the the raw movements or or something. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3262.71 3263.05 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3262.87 3264.75 But that's a human coding, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3264.4 3264.65 Yep. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3264.65 3265.89 So that just has to be coded. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3267.46 3267.69 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3269.33 3269.57 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3274.14 3277.98 Because they'll if they're gonna do it by gesture they'll build up a convention, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3272.41 3274.14 Um not generically. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3272.55 3273.11 So w 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3273.7 3273.96 Mm yep. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3286.98 3290.7 And it's gonna be very difficult to tell whether they broke something intentionally without the language. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3282.74 3286.98 Remember m all the things we're looking at are f with language with and without language. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3290.7 3292.23 Which means it's probably not 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3278.4 3282.74 So uh that's gonna particularly be a problem for J. P., right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3280.28 3281.38 What else do we need to know? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3292.79 3297.5 Suppose they start off with language and then they they say hey look, you know, let's do it like this. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3291.12 3292.79 Unless they develop a convention. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3299.79 3304.14 So we should well we should make a wish list, right, as a side effect. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3296.86 3299.79 But th um this is properly part of the action coding. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3295.72 3296.86 Yeah, okay. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3296.25 3297.32 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3298.09 3298.26 It 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3298.66 3298.83 I 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3304.21 3305.2 Yes. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3299.4 3299.81 Sure. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3300.26 3304.21 I just I just wanna make sure that a wish list, yes. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3299.81 3300.26 Absolutely. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3301.56 3301.98 Although 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3305 3312.82 What I'm trying to remember is if the people deliberately break things by moving two pieces together. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3312.82 3314.62 They they don't both break. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3323.1 3323.89 They both break. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3315.67 3317 Uh they do. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3317 3323.1 If if if what if one if one person's trying to get a part to a part that isn't that that so the part that's just sitting on the screen that's not being touched. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3316.97 3317.85 They both they both 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3325.36 3330.72 So the i intentional thing is when they actually both click on the same object and it breaks. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3324.06 3325.36 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3336.08 3336.26 Yep. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3334.77 3336.08 They could just screw up. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3330.9 3334.77 For sure you know that's and l or well n is not necessarily intentional. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3333.68 3337.01 No, they could just make a mistake or screw up, yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3334.72 3335 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3336.69 3336.92 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3336.99 3341.51 they could discuss deciding to break something and and then one guy does it. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3341.51 3342.01 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3336.82 3336.99 Mm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3338.88 3340.12 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3340.12 3344.51 Or I don't think that's very good, no, we'll never get away with that, we'll get a bad score. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3344.51 3346.61 Let's just throw that away and start again, yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3339.41 3339.63 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3339.49 3340.17 Y yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3340.17 3342.29 But that's bringing in the the language thing again. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3344.37 3344.92 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3344.62 3345 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3346.43 3346.77 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3347.42 3347.55 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3349.34 3349.67 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3351.26 3354.12 Which reminds we have fixed the score problem. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3354.12 3354.5 Have we? 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3357.04 3359.16 C 'cause it was through the rotational part. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3356.55 3357.04 'Cause yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3359.16 3359.42 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3355.97 3356.55 Uh well yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3363.45 3365.53 No, the the score w uh is fine. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3360.15 3360.33 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3360.33 3363.45 So our yes, rather than the number of penalties or or something. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3358.06 3358.74 Oh uh yes. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3358.74 3360.15 At the the percentage score. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3359.04 3359.35 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3365.01 3367.73 Was the percentage overlap and that made the score? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3369.09 3370.24 Yeah? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3378.03 3378.2 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3373.2 3376.9 Oh yeah, well do you know which which which which one was the top right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3370.24 3373.2 That's when I left. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3376.9 3378.03 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3382.55 3384.17 It wasn't it wasn't a bug. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3384.17 3385.78 It it it was a 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3371.16 3380.63 But uh uh the problem was um to do with the m the p they had a relative and absolute piece and uh it's all to s to the symmetry of that. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3382.12 3382.55 Yes. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3369.09 3371.16 Uh ye that's that's the way it's worked out. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3380.63 3382.12 So as long as it's defined, fine. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3381.74 3383.15 That's that's that's back. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3380.53 3381.74 But that's all been fixed. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3382.32 3382.49 Yep. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3385.64 3388.77 Don't tell me it was a feature. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3395.71 3398.35 So that was it was actually their their fault. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3401.99 3402.48 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3402.83 3409.1 But i it it is quite fundamental and uh causes quite immediate problems if you don't know about it. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3398.35 3401.99 But um it's not clear enough in the documentation. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3409.1 3410.3 Yep, exactly. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3402.48 3402.83 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3387.21 3387.79 Uh well. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3387.79 3395.71 Uh yes, it was something that had to be defined and the uh Dutch lot didn't. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3388.23 3392.21 It was them just dr uh forgetting to um define an attribute they had to 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3387.54 3388.23 No, no. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3391.39 3391.68 Alright. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3396.84 3397.55 Yeah, I mean I'm 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3395.67 3396.84 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3397.15 3397.74 So 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3395.69 3396.91 Oh okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3396.91 3397.15 Oh. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3396.28 3399.47 Well, whi which is probably a documentation fault, right. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3401.47 3402.62 It's it's in the documentation. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3402.62 3406.08 But it's like two thirds of the way down a quite a long page. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3400.35 3401.47 I've th I've yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3406.08 3406.67 So 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3401.83 3401.95 Hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3403.32 3403.65 But 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3405.15 3406.13 The right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3405.95 3406.22 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3412.06 3414.1 So we can now that's now just lovely. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3407.49 3409.25 Not prominently flagged. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3409.25 3410.39 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3410.39 3411.76 A communication flaw. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3414.1 3416.12 And there won't be any crazy scores anymore. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3411.76 3412.06 Okay. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3410.85 3411.32 But um 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3409.36 3410.85 Yep. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3409.54 3409.9 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3414.18 3414.35 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3415.36 3418.93 Well, while we're on past things, is there anything else you wanna tell us about the prior part of this,
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3414.37 3415.36 Is there a y yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3418.93 3422.23 which is the, you know, what else is he holding you up from 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3422.24 3423.76 Or oh we're well we yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3441.96 3442.4 Um 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3423.76 3425.07 we should should go back to the beginning. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3425.07 3435.26 The um Camtasia was tested last week and initially we were a bit worried because uh in the old version it seemed to interfere with it. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3435.26 3441.96 But uh when you when Craig re-compiled it and did his new version it started wor wor it seems to work fine. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3433.77 3434.12 Oh. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3434.12 3435.18 I have to use a new page. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3435 3435.31 Uh-huh. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3441.41 3441.86 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3441.86 3442.01 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3441.9 3443.36 So it doesn't slow down the eye tracker. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3441.5 3441.9 Right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3444.81 3447.84 So we we p so we pay for it and 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3443.36 3444.81 It doesn't do anything nasty. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3446.52 3447.08 No uh 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3444.88 3446.52 Nothing we can tell. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3445.26 3446.4 No. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3448.65 3450.71 But it's it's not it's not big thing. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3446.4 3448.65 No the the the there's there's very small graphical bugs. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3450.71 3455.9 It's like couple of white pixels uh in the course of a in the course of a the course of a task. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3455.9 3457.38 So it's there's distracting. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3449.43 3449.83 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3457.28 3459.85 Nothing important and noth nothing big enough they're gonna look at it, right? 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3459.84 3460.33 No. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3460.55 3460.73 No. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3460.63 3460.83 Alright. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3460.83 3468.51 So the last I think I'm sorry, you know, I had as assorted emails from you and I was probably didn't catch everything. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3468.51 3471.33 The problem was that there are two Camtasia records. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3471.27 3479.37 There will now have to be two Camtasia records because uh e each person actually sees a different screen because of the gaze feedback. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3479.37 3481.6 They don't see their own gaze to the other person. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3481.6 3486.19 So there'll need to be two separate Camtasia videos generated. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3470.98 3471.27 Yes. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3479.57 3481.53 They see the o only the other guy's gaze, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3478.49 3479.57 They don't see their own gaze. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3480.11 3480.64 Yep. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3480.64 3480.99 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3485 3485.42 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3486.5 3488.52 Oh, do you need two copies of Camtasia to do that? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3485.42 3486.5 I know. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3490.11 3492.69 Hopefully we won't. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3494 3495.39 Or uh 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3492.69 3494 You mean officially? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3492.67 3493.26 Huh huh. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3500.48 3506.41 'Cause yeah, the r the recording yeah, the recording thi pro program is just quite a it's quite a small program. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3494.85 3500.48 Yeah, but then the que the que the question is there a licence for Camtasia where you just need one editing c thing and two recording things. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3506.41 3512.76 They just gen it just generates the video and so I don't know don't know if it's worth having a look at the licensing for that just to see. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3510.24 3510.67 I mean 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3510 3510.24 Okay. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3513.62 3520.82 Yeah, I hadn't thought about the I was assuming we'd just get one and one licence both of us. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3525.51 3527.16 I suspect that it will. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3527.16 3528.79 It'll be per machine I would think. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3520.82 3525.51 Suppose technically we should have two because it'll be two machines. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3513.97 3515.13 So you're gonna look into this, right? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3519.73 3520.17 Check out 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3522.73 3524.79 Well y c look at the licence conditions, it might not 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3529.52 3531.73 I c I never pre-judge licences until I've read 'em. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3531.97 3532.73 Hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3532.73 3536.37 I I'll have a uh yeah, I'll have a l a look at the actual Camtasia licence. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3536.37 3539 Um the other thing we're we 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3532.33 3532.74 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3532.74 3533.31 So we 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3541.56 3544.4 So this has implications for data storage, right? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3564.21 3565.33 Where are we putting things? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3538.65 3541.56 So uh well and um hold on, before we get go any further. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3554.85 3558.18 So the the permanent storage is just the Camtasia stuff. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3544.4 3549.61 Because w um it means we've got well no, this is three times, right, 'cause we've got oh no,
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3549.61 3554.85 we're gonna build we're gonna use JavaScript to build the videos on the fly, right, 'cause it's fast. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3558.18 3564.21 So uh is that a problem? 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3544.45 3548.44 It 'cause it's now twice twice the size of a 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3544.74 3545.01 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3555.27 3555.48 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3572.11 3574.33 Because you can certainly mix things. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3574.33 3578.23 Um what ideally one wants one doesn't really want to l to have these things. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3583.91 3588.04 We do almost always want to use them in exactly in parallel. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3578.23 3581.37 Uh um because we're using them for back-up and for coding. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3581.37 3583.91 We don't really want to play them independently. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3588.04 3588.66 Time aligned. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3566.12 3567.41 Is there mm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3567.41 3572.11 Is there such a thing um as um, you know, dual track video? 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3566.63 3567.03 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3567.03 3568.07 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3566.53 3566.63 Hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3566.19 3566.53 Uh mm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3581.79 3583.62 Oh we can we can put 'em in the same thing, right? 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3588.62 3589 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3593.13 3595.02 But that's maybe a problem, right, because 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3589.3 3593.13 You can dump 'em into one video frame if you don't mind losing resolution. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3595.27 3601.15 Well the other problem is uh Camtasia has to be manually launched on both machines separately. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3601.38 3603 So the synchronization's gonna be a problem. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3602.86 3603.03 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3603.85 3606.39 Um what are we doing for synchronization otherwise? 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3606.21 3608.95 Uh during the task there is a flash and a bleep. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3612.98 3614.28 For each task. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3617.6 3618.01 Yes. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3610.61 3611.79 Oh I mean not during the task. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3611.79 3612.98 Uh before. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3614.28 3617.6 Yes. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3613.07 3614.21 Yeah, before the task. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3625.67 3629.59 You turn on the two copies whenever at different times. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3621.57 3625.67 The thing that you're dumping them onto just starts running with the flash and the bleep. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3615.4 3615.7 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3638.24 3639.62 Two videos are turning on. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3620.24 3621.57 Well, maybe you could. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3631.91 3638.24 Is the what what i th what are they I don't really understand the the parts that are operating here. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3629.59 3631.91 But they're still no? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3615.7 3617.25 So that we'd have to re-align them. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3617.25 3620.24 We couldn't dump them from their start points. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3639.62 3642.94 There is no time stamp that comes from some common source. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3640.11 3640.35 But 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3637.78 3640.11 Uh Camtasia y yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3651.14 3652.23 They're just recording. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3652.23 3654.93 You start it recording and it starts recording what's on one screen. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3642.9 3649.41 No, they're they're on two s the two separate machines and the you you start and end them separately. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3649.41 3651.14 The they they're not talking to each other. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3658.8 3660.2 And they're they're totally separate. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3654.93 3658.8 And you start the other recording on the other machine. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3660.2 3661.19 They don't know about the other one. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3643.35 3643.73 No. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3645.72 3646.16 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3653.31 3653.56 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3659.83 3660.26 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3658.56 3659.83 Right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3658.57 3659.03 So 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3662.07 3662.55 Right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3660.41 3662.07 These are ba these are back-ups. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3662.55 3670.06 So the flash get allows you to hand-synchronize them later if you need to by stripping extra video off the front. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3670.06 3674.11 As long as you make sure you start 'em before the flash then you're fine. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3674.11 3678.95 But it will there's a a cost of having to go to back-up, which is synchronizing them. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3662.67 3664.27 Right, is there a div mm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3666.28 3666.68 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3667.06 3667.29 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3672.74 3673 Yep. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3672.95 3673.26 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3673.23 3673.42 Yep. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3679.86 3687.7 So they'll include things like the um the eye tracker calibration, right, which is not a bad thing actually. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3696.47 3699.68 And hand every time we re-calibrated the damn thing slipped, yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3678.72 3679.86 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3695.1 3695.8 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3687.7 3695.1 Because sometimes you wanna go back and find out if this was just a particularly duff subject. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3695.8 3696.47 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3685.08 3685.47 Yes. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3701.29 3702.39 Yeah, that's true. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3702.39 3702.87 I uh 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3693.67 3694.9 That's that's true. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3691.61 3692.05 Uh yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3694.9 3696.3 How long did it take them to calibrate. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3697.67 3701.29 How many t how many times before uh the validation worked or something. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3696.3 3697.67 Or yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3692.05 3693.67 See how how long it took them actually. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3701.47 3702.02 Oh okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3702.02 3705.04 So you so you should start the Camtasia really early then. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3701.95 3702.71 That actually helps. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3702.71 3703.26 I mean that ni 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3705.23 3705.49 Yep. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3704.67 3705.23 Right. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3704.97 3710.45 Well it at the moment the that's what I was assuming on on on doing that uh it's done first. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3707.3 3707.57 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3708.29 3708.64 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3707.99 3708.29 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3709.33 3714.04 No, they that actually saves you hours trying to make somebody's data smooth out when it won't. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3719.75 3723.08 That's a a technical categorization in psychological research. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3708.81 3709.33 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3714.04 3718.13 Because yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3718.13 3719.75 That's a technical term. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3713.1 3714.72 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3721.67 3723.06 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3727.81 3731.91 'Cause only one of the uh Camtasia videos will actually have the soundtrack. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3714.72 3717.83 You go back and actually yes, they were crap. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3723.06 3724.7 Um yes. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3724.7 3727.81 The other thing we were getting sorted out was the the microphones. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3717.83 3721.67 Isn't that the answer? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3734.84 3735.76 And that's because? 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3744.98 3747.34 I suppose we can do it is it would it be worth splitting it? 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3736.01 3744.98 Uh we're just getting we've got one cable and to the two mics. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3751.57 3752.45 That's stereo. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3746.25 3748.99 Well we need sound we we need real sound recording, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3748.99 3751.57 That's that's two track. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3771.51 3776.64 Uh unfortunately the on one machine. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3751.68 3752.06 Uh yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3752.06 3754.71 So the at at at the moment it's ins well 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3754.71 3771.51 what we've finally just uh at twelve o'clock today looks like we've got it sussed um is to get one channel one microphone being the left channel and one being the right channel to merge into a stereo single file. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3755.22 3755.88 Alright. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3767.9 3768.32 Uh-huh. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3769.78 3770.18 Uh-huh. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3774.72 3774.89 Uh 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3773.19 3774.21 On w on what? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3774.21 3774.72 Uh sorry. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3778.39 3779.76 On one of the 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3780.59 3781.67 The display P. C. s. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3781.67 3784 Yeah, the Camtasia v video. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3781.08 3781.35 Con 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3784.63 3786.41 O o it's uh 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3785.93 3788.8 Or m m multi-media thing. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3788.26 3789.04 On Camtasia. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3788.37 3789.61 That's not where you're putting it. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3789.61 3790 I mean u 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3789.14 3789.29 Mm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3790.31 3791.68 That's our only sound record? 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3790.43 3790.54 Yeah. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3792.04 3792.39 Yes. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3795.45 3798.88 But you're not dumping it through Camtasia to record it, right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3793.39 3795.45 Well okay, you've got the proper sound record. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3798.88 3799.32 You're 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3797.26 3797.88 It it's 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3800.17 3801.44 It's Camtasia that's recording it. 
EN2009d H02 MEE094 3799.24 3800.17 Yep. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3801.91 3807.53 What before we were gonna use Camtasia at all, what well what we were gonna do what were we going to do with the sound? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3802.33 3802.45 Mm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3810.4 3810.76 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3811 3811.44 Uh-huh. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3811.72 3811.92 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3824.44 3830.67 So uh ha wou is there any sound degradation that comes about from putting this through Camtasia rather than running it out straight? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3825.38 3825.98 How good is it? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3827.4 3827.81 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3827.81 3828.81 Have to really question. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3831.62 3832.55 No, you got you 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3835.57 3840.26 Yeah, you got exactly the same access to sound quality as you got from anythi anything else on the Windows. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3842.39 3844.66 So got a bit of 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3840.26 3842.39 So you can you decide whatever quality you want. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3836.16 3836.3 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3843.88 3848.64 So what you're planning on doing it is bunging it on one of the Camtasia tracks and then splicing it off the Camtasia track. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3843.59 3843.88 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3856.15 3857.76 It's an easy bit of yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3858.96 3862.69 And then you're gonna bung it on the other Camtasia track too if you need it, right? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3862.69 3867.32 But we'll just we're gonna store all three separately then. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3867.32 3873.28 And the sound is going to start at the same time as one of that arbitrary one of the Camtasia videos. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3873.28 3879.4 But you'll know when the real experiment you'll know the relationship between that and the eye tracker timings? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3859.02 3861.28 And then then they can do sound analysis on that. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3880.67 3887.9 Because the the synchronization, the audio and vi the audio visual synchronisation comes at a specific point in the eye track file. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3880.24 3880.67 Uh yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3892.64 3893.49 It's time-stamped. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3890.65 3892.64 No human intervention required. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3890.11 3890.65 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3895.91 3899.82 So it's just after just after it prints the line starting experiment uh uh yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3899.82 3901 I'll I'm pretty sure it's just yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3893.95 3895.91 No, it's yeah th it's i i sta stamped into it. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3908.76 3909.6 But ho hold on. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3908.07 3908.76 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3909.6 3910.23 Do we need that? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3933.68 3938.78 you know, any uh chopping the starts of audio signals to get there was nothing okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3924.81 3933.68 uh the audio record ten seconds in was the same as ten seconds into the eye tracker record so that we didn't have to do any extra hand work,
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3914.6 3924.81 um the audio uh w the time stamps used there would be joint time stamps between the audio and the eye tracker, so that, you know 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3910.23 3914.6 I mean it I I thought the way that Tim had this set up originally,
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3908.62 3908.85 Yep. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3940.45 3944.64 So we're relying on your MATLAB script to get us the chopped version of the audio, right? 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3949.2 3953.1 gi gi gives you the times of the audio beep in the s in the signal. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3945.2 3949.2 Uh well the well the MATLAB script uh bas just sa uh just says uh yeah 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3953.1 3953.82 So I just 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3953.04 3960.07 Right, so we can either adjust the eye trai track data or we can actually chop the audio signal to take off the first whatever, however many seconds. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3953.16 3953.69 Oh okay. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3957.88 3958.16 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3959.07 3959.3 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3959.3 3969.74 So we there's gonna be a way to, sooner or later, to align the eye track, Camtasia one, Camtasia two with two sound channels. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3969.99 3970.14 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3971.3 3971.56 Yeah 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3983.07 3986.19 that'll also tell you where to chop the video to get it to line up. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3986.19 3988 The one that doesn't have the sound on it, it won't. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3971.56 3983.07 but uh but d um the uh lining up the Camtasia two is gonna take we w he's working on a MATLAB script for the sound but not for so the one that's got the sound on it 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3971.73 3971.9 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3985.99 3986.32 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 3994.88 3995.98 Ah, the bleep we'll find. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4001.84 4004.3 Um as long as the scripts work, right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3995.79 3997.85 So it's just got the bleeps. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3995.66 3995.79 Oh. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 3997.85 4001.84 Oh okay, so w no hand synchronization required at all. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 3996.08 3996.52 Oh yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4004.28 4004.5 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4015.47 4018.38 How confident are you about the finding these things? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4015.08 4015.47 'Kay. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4018.79 4019.8 Pretty confident. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4020.81 4022.16 It it was it was 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4019.8 4020.81 But you you've you've seen them. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4020.67 4020.76 Mm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4027.69 4038.67 So we just have to w hope we don't have an any subjects with the odd vocalizations. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4028.27 4029.59 Right. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4028.85 4029.17 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4034.55 4037.95 Yeah, I don't see him with ten he kilohertz. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4041.68 4042.12 So 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4036.84 4038.22 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4038.22 4041.68 They uh they also tend to have a funny funny shape, beeps. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4035.01 4036.84 Right. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4042.07 4043.66 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4043.13 4043.48 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4042.41 4043.13 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4046.77 4047.03 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4052.02 4052.26 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4053.99 4055.51 Yep. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4055.51 4055.96 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4052.26 4053.99 'Cause this this is the drop-out test. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4052.33 4052.56 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4058.13 4061.17 When you decide it's all over, does it ping you back and 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4055.92 4058.13 Yeah, is there an end signal? 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4060.11 4064.25 Yeah, the the the there's a signal at the start and the end of every trial. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4064.25 4064.59 So 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4060.56 4061 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4069.18 4069.35 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4064.37 4069.18 So when you've when you've pressed we're finished, it pings back at you? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4063.54 4064.37 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4063.14 4063.54 Right. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4068.73 4068.91 Yep. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4067.41 4068.73 Yep. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4071.94 4074.29 It's just that all kinds of crazy things happen when you're running things,
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4074.29 4079.64 and so up saving a percentage of a trial is sometimes a good i you know, being able to do that is sometimes a good idea. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4079.64 4080.01 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4079.09 4079.36 Mm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4094.63 4095.11 Oh yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4097.22 4099.46 But it's a mono but it's a mono uh microphone. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4107.38 4109.1 But it's still, think, yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4103.14 4104.38 Uh sp going going through a line in. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4099.46 4101.97 Mono mono recording on microphones. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4101.97 4103.14 Line in. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4104.38 4107.38 So it's a so it's a lit so it's quieter because it's not as though it's not powered. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4095.14 4096.47 Yes, it's a stereo jack. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4096.47 4097.22 It's a stereo jack. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4109.1 4110.16 We we still pick up a signal. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4096.92 4101.39 I know but so you g you got a solution for that then? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4104.95 4105.25 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4103.87 4104.95 Oh right, okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4116.84 4117.35 Can w 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4117.54 4119.93 You're sure there's not a better solution that involves 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4121.41 4122.09 Like having 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4118.89 4121.41 Yeah, can we do can we do something better than that? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4121.85 4124.85 'Cause, you know, people might wanna use this for speech recognition or something. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4124.85 4126.86 You never know if it's the data is there then 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4124.37 4124.72 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4127.68 4130.74 We're in an anechoic room which we specially, yeah, built an anechoic. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4130.74 4133.26 But, you know, sound room which we specially built for this. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4126.59 4127.68 Yeah, I mean it's it's crazy. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4136.95 4138.42 Is there anything we can do to improve this? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4135.13 4136.95 We shouldn't screw it up more than we have to. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4133.26 4135.13 We're d in good circumstances. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4128.57 4128.85 You know. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4130.97 4131.38 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4133.14 4134.38 And you're gonna want forced alignment. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4137.83 4138.08 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4142.47 4143.7 Well no no. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4142.02 4142.47 Oh no. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4143.7 4144.84 Better to collect and sort. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4142.42 4143.08 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4142.47 4143.62 No. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4143.62 4144.64 No, no. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4144.64 4146.22 Do you have a powered microphone or something. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4151.7 4154.85 But doesn't seem to be powered because the because the line in input's so low. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4150.24 4151.7 But i there's not doesn't. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4146.62 4150.24 Well the the when they are they are the the they have batteries in them. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4148.1 4149.1 Uh well it's the mono 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4154.32 4159.63 Wait wait, w I I thought the sol that a better solution was fixing this problem with the mono microphone socket. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4159.63 4160.18 Sound card? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4155.27 4155.56 Right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4162.29 4167.01 So you said the problem was the m it the m m i is expecting a mono microphone input. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4165.1 4166.39 The so the sound the sound the s 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4171.27 4171.45 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4169.07 4169.77 Right? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4169.77 4171.27 Is that what you said? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4165.85 4169.07 That the line is stereo, the input is mono. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4174.22 4176.88 But when you plug in when it's recording from microphone, it records in mono. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4169.8 4174.22 Well the yeah, the the yeah, the the the the jack that is that it's plugged into is stereo. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4173.31 4174.89 Is ah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4177.93 4179.75 So is that fixable? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4179.75 4182.07 Like is there any way yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4182.07 4187.21 Uh I think a new sound card sounds a better solution than monkeying about with trying to filter white noise out. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4180.31 4181.58 That's somewhere in the sound card. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4182.06 4183.27 A new sound card is fixable. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4181.59 4182.06 And yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4186.89 4187.58 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4197.06 4200.2 But then you'd have to pull the two pull the two sounds together. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4187.58 4197.06 Als think we we have a well I suppo I suppose it well one th one thing you do is uh re is record the sou speech signal separately for each for each person. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4200.32 4201.18 Which isn't hard. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4200.42 4200.62 Yep. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4202.66 4204.53 But hi but it's only got one input, right. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4203.13 4209.04 So if uh so if i i if each machine recorded its own with a recorded the recorded like the the p th the uh the user on that one. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4207.57 4208.68 Its own track, its own video. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4208.68 4211.29 You have to align the videos anyway, right? 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4211.71 4212.02 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4211.75 4211.78 I 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4222.24 4222.72 So 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4221.63 4222.24 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4217.82 4221.63 I believe it's easy to put two monos into a stereo signal. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4217.87 4218.28 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4218.28 4218.58 Oh they yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4218.58 4219.33 And then the so the yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4219.33 4219.57 So th 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4228.95 4229.68 And then you just yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4225.89 4228.95 You just write read read file one, read file two. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4223.43 4225.89 If if nothing if nothing else you h uh if nothing else you can do it in a MATLAB script. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4221.1 4221.8 Yeah, it's easy. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4221.8 4223.43 Easy. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4221.85 4224.12 Well I'm not the technical person who would do it. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4224.12 4225.14 But I know who to ask. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4226.71 4226.91 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4226.81 4227.22 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4228.2 4228.43 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4229.43 4231.21 So is there any reason why we wou don't do that? 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4243.66 4246 'Cause you got a l you got a list of where the where the beeps are. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4246 4250.88 And then you say right, this stream is like, I don't know, nought point two five seconds behind the other one. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4237.78 4241.82 Yeah, but then the the the MATLAB the MATLAB script will tell you how l it will tell you how far apart they are. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4241.82 4243.66 'Cause you can do you can just measure the drift between the two of them. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4238.31 4239.56 But it's the same as 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4250.2 4250.43 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4253.64 4258.24 Says Robin thinking about cutting and splicing, yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4258.24 4259.03 Yeah, okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4258.53 4258.97 Well 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4268.38 4272.74 'Cause it's slightly dicier you know, if his scripts don't work then you don't get the overlap. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4258.97 4268.38 it's in the old days we probably would have want a little if they'd been in the same room we would have had a little stereo thing in the background as backup as well just to make sure. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4257.99 4258.53 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4265.97 4266.71 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4266.71 4267.07 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4270.93 4272.38 Yeah, I wanna see several of them. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4277.97 4278.53 Can we do that? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4272.38 4277.97 I wanna see I wanna see one of them um look really nice before we start running subjects. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4280.01 4281.31 It doesn't have to be a real trial. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4281.31 4284.39 It just has to be two guys talking in the two bits. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4284.39 4285.43 And then 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4280.2 4280.37 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4281.68 4282.35 Yes, that's right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4289.49 4294.8 This is just experience that um if anything can screw up it will. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4301.28 4312.97 But you'll hear more choice language at the point when we've all done a lot of work and and then we discover we can't use the session because of some thing we didn't think about. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4312.97 4314.24 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4287.12 4289.49 This is not a a gesture of mistrust. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4294.8 4301.28 I I'm trying to choose my language carefully because we're being recorded. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4314.24 4314.67 Um 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4285.24 4287.12 I just wanna know it works the way you expect it to work. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4289.77 4289.87 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4293.34 4297.67 We've both been so badly bitten in the past. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4307.63 4307.99 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4312.34 4312.88 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4314 4314.22 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4314.22 4314.78 So then 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4316.18 4316.99 I so I think 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4314.2 4316.18 But this this sounds reasonable to me. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4317.18 4317.41 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4320.46 4320.74 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4323.28 4323.63 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4323.35 4323.7 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4325.25 4326.59 And then then we combine 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4324.97 4325.25 Right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4325.47 4327.56 Do do they both have the same sound card problem? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4327.56 4328.27 I wouldn't count on it. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4328.52 4329.66 They've both got the same sound card. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4329.95 4330.37 Okay. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4330.99 4333.22 So yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4336.37 4336.54 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4335.95 4336.37 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4336.54 4337.3 'Cause 'cause 'cause 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4336.39 4336.57 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4341.16 4346.55 To say mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4336.57 4341.16 It's probably worth mentioning this to the to the guys in the garage in Toronto, right. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4343.6 4344.07 Yes. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4349.1 4349.41 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4348.45 4349.1 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4355.35 4361.28 So the the external version's got plugs that size and that that is stereo microphones. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4361.97 4366.33 The other one's plug's like the smaller size and that isn't stereo. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4366.33 4367.68 So the colour the colour can do it. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4367.68 4372.28 It's just that the connectors on the the connectors at the back of the computer can't. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4361.28 4361.97 But yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4355.13 4355.35 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4355.66 4355.8 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4358.43 4358.85 Uh-huh. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4360.76 4361.1 Right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4366.47 4366.9 Oh 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4373.87 4374.97 I think tell the guys. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4372.68 4373.87 Well uh yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4383.3 4385.56 Is you're not sure from the documentation what it says it can do? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4374.59 4383.3 I think that's a if the documentation said it w could record in stereo then I think we should talk to them about how they've done this. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4393.27 4394.09 To yeah, yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4394.01 4394.33 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4394.47 4394.91 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4401.96 4404.6 Um and they weren't entirely clear. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4404.6 4408.02 But they both suggested that it is there is a mono that there there is a mono microphone. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4394.91 4401.96 But as as far far as we can and find the the web site of the, yeah, the the Creative Labs web site and the review of it. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4408.16 4408.47 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4416 4416.31 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4418.32 4418.52 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4418.39 4419.58 Yeah, it's just the way they wired it. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4425.22 4427.89 So I wanna eat my lunch today. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4431.1 4434.26 I mean I think I think it was useful going through your expectations about this. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4427.89 4431.1 Uh what did you wanna get through today more? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4434.26 4448.1 'Cause um that's quite a bit clearer in my head at least and but I think mostly we leave you to go away and re-design the G. D. F. or add new bits to the G. D. F. along these lines. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4448.1 4448.49 And then w 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4421.14 4425.22 So um it's getting late and I've got a two o'clock and I've got a nice lunch. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4424.72 4425.08 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4423.42 4424.72 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4429.05 4429.41 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4433.42 4433.75 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4439.84 4440.48 Yeah, I'm 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4447.67 4447.89 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4463.58 4464.45 So you can say right 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4459.21 4463.58 Um and then, yeah, and then it's a matter of we're gonna put whatever filters you need after that. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4454.14 4459.21 And the event's gonna have whatever all whatever the object uh is that's being looked at and things. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4464.45 4470.58 I just want so you can say from the time where they picked up triangle one to the part time it became part of the assembly 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4470.58 4473.81 find out how it's how m percentages of time they were looking at it or whatever. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4447.89 4454.14 So and basically out the output the G. D. F. is just gonna be a whole series of events, you know, with start and end time. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4450.1 4450.39 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4453.91 4454.24 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4456.85 4457.12 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4459.18 4459.63 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4464.34 4464.55 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4472.63 4472.93 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4486.54 4486.66 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4482.07 4486.54 Um there are also motions being recorded of objects. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4474.58 4477.09 Okay, so when you I mean uh given that there are these events recorded,
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4474.33 4474.58 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4477.09 4482.07 we can use any of them as the beginning of any of them as a start point, for example, right. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4486.7 4487.43 So you got mo yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4489.85 4492.03 there's fixations and blinks now at the moment as well. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4487.43 4488.38 There there's move events. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4498.34 4500.74 So um s 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4486.3 4486.7 So yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4492.03 4498.34 Um and, yeah, and oh yeah and see uh looks at looks at objects and looks whatever else. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4486.07 4486.3 Yep. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4488.38 4489.85 There's look events. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4487.14 4487.78 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4490.12 4490.32 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4491.56 4491.85 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4497.39 4497.67 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4499.82 4500.14 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4536.6 4537.97 But it's gonna emerge over time. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4500.09 4512.32 But I think the thing to do is um for you to go away and think about it this way with the different tracks for the different objects and the um the kinds of things we've added about whether they're looking at the other person's gaze and what have you 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4512.32 4529.43 and and try to change the spec so it it reflects this and maybe um oh maybe by that point there will be some sample data or something uh and the right thing to do is for us to look at the sp the spec the way you understand it now and some data. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4537.97 4538.8 I mean that's clear. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4529.43 4536.6 And then Ellen'll have new ideas about what's needed or about these post-analyses, you know, the and then and we can add 'em in. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4512.6 4512.85 Yep. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4529.39 4529.64 Yep. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4531.5 4534.16 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4534.16 4534.59 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4534.16 4534.56 Yeah I will. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4533.87 4534.16 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4550.6 4557.1 So the sound thing the sound thing is stands in our way, we need to be recording sound online. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4536.39 4538.99 So I'm right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4558.91 4560.22 The shape thing is solved. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4538.99 4541.03 Uh that that that's great. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4541.03 4550.6 I I'd before we break up for lunch I just wanna make sure that tha that I know how long it's gonna be before we're in run mode, okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4557.1 4557.39 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4557.39 4558.91 So that's a thing that has to be solved. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4550.83 4552.96 Oh, so the spec to the other conversation, yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4568.79 4569.47 We have to test. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4566.71 4568.79 Yeah, test. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4563.83 4566.71 Yeah, that's that's solved now. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4564.28 4564.47 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4565.75 4566.42 We think. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4586.49 4589.13 There are no visual display problems. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4579.01 4581.47 Generating shapes, no problem. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4576.27 4579.01 Um the shape all the shape problems are solved. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4569.22 4572.47 So that's that that that should be done this week. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4581.47 4585.12 Um scoring shape overlap, no problem. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4569 4569.22 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4567.93 4569 We believe. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4585.12 4586.49 Nothing is problem there. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4572.47 4576.27 Um in fact like tomorrow for example. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4570.06 4570.25 Yep. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4587.89 4589.22 Well you don't have your models, or do you? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4595.07 4595.29 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4598.59 4599.47 Yeah, they had their 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4600.71 4602.55 They had their inspection last week. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4602.55 4604.76 Um J. P. staggered away from it and 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4609.8 4610.07 Ah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4623.38 4623.64 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4627.18 4627.71 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4627.71 4629.71 Well, uh anything you actually need fixed. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4631.18 4631.46 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4631.28 4631.53 You know. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4632.04 4632.22 Yep. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4633.33 4633.5 S 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4633.06 4633.33 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4637.46 4638.59 So 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4635.38 4637.46 Joe doesn't live here anymore, right? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4641.32 4646.35 Well, i but he wasn't gonna be booking any time to us after the thirty first of October. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4646.35 4648.25 So um 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4649.68 4654.74 that that means that any bugs that need fixed are now Craig's responsibility, right? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4654.74 4656.52 You don't know have any change on that, right? 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4655.21 4655.53 Fair enough. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4654.88 4655.21 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4658.04 4661.41 Um I haven't I haven't had any discussions with him since. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4660.3 4663.09 So I would assume, you know, no more contact with Joe. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4665.91 4668.35 So you know, ask Craig instead. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4663.09 4665.91 It's not fair to get work out of somebody for free. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4658.09 4660.3 'Cause he that's what he said to us originally. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4668.1 4668.37 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4675.84 4678.22 Would that be a just better use of our time in get 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4673.02 4675.84 If we want to pay him for some more time we can do that. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4671.51 4673.02 Well, he's ph he's physically here. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4671.89 4672.25 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4677.57 4678.31 I don't think 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4682.29 4682.67 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4684 4686.71 Well w he wasn't paid in advance. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4687.54 4688.47 So it doesn't matter. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4686.71 4687.54 He's being paid in arrears. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4687.85 4688.22 Right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4691.43 4692.3 Uh I think it's 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4694.17 4697.12 And if if the if i if it's a 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4691.67 4694.17 But m he he he is around and I believe. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4698.01 4701.92 I mean it's not big things, it's just maintenance at this program at this point and 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4695.53 4698.01 I think it's better to have all the software. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4708.32 4712.55 then let's do it because starting run-time is now getting to be fairly urgent. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4701.68 4704.56 But if um if everybody has a lot to do and, you know,
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4701.16 4701.68 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4704.56 4708.32 Joe could give it a couple of hours, which i is what it might take just to fix it 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4711.89 4716.97 I if he can give it, you know, like because the problem is you gotta have an immediately when you discover a bug in that. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4711.64 4711.89 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4716.97 4721.59 And we can make Craig shift all his other priorities to do this 'cause we bought him. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4721.59 4724.33 Right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4724.64 4725.93 So it's a kinder way. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4724.33 4724.64 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4725.93 4727.12 It yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4714.03 4714.17 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4716.97 4717.25 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4722.28 4724.68 But we can't we can't make Joe do this ec alright,
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4721.53 4722.28 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4720.42 4721.53 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4724.68 4730.57 so there's uh some trade-off between availability and speed from start to finish, given that this is somebody else's code. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4730.57 4731.12 So you know. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4734.34 4738.56 Because w we only need this to work well enough that you can use it for something and you got work rats. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4729.93 4730.72 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4730.72 4734.34 But it sounds like you don't think there's anything that actually needs fixed at the moment. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4738.56 4738.92 So 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4731.07 4731.6 Well yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4731.6 4731.79 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4737.52 4740.67 Right, so we're we're b we're building models. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4740.93 4742.34 We're we um 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4740.67 4740.93 Right. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4743.17 4744.13 And how long does that take? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4740.96 4743.17 And how many models do you need to completion? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4744.7 4745.97 We have the design somewhere. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4748.95 4749.91 And you got 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4749.07 4749.57 Mm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4751.91 4752.39 Hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4752.39 4753.02 Well 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4752.85 4754.47 And you know about complexity? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4756.67 4757.7 You're waiting on Marloes. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4757.89 4758.2 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4763.1 4763.56 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4764.92 4767.77 You can cold call her today, this afternoon. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4769.26 4770.43 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4770.43 4770.95 I think so. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4770.95 4773.64 'Cause um I have to check back with 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4775.89 4777.59 with J. P. fairly soon. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4777.59 4779.27 Okay, he wanted to kn um 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4780.59 4784.64 The eighteen the next eighteen month plan, great. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4789.22 4790.1 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4786.1 4789.22 Progress with the experiment, well that's what we're doing now. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4790.1 4795.37 So what do we think, if you have a fairly hectic week, are we looking for subjects next week? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4784.64 4786.1 Deliverables, great. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4797.76 4798.08 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4829.33 4832.78 So aside from the usual angst which we all suffer when we go live. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4802.45 4805.17 But I think ad should probably go up this week. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4832.78 4835.35 So we w we wanna do some piloting at the end of the week? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4807.37 4807.8 Is that okay? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4811.02 4814.21 There are people coming in here one after another. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4805.17 4807.37 We want people for n for next week. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4823.79 4829.33 Or do you have a specific thing that okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4814.21 4818.1 Or p two two after two, more likely. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4800.67 4801.85 Yeah, I do. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4799.34 4800.67 Ads go up. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4818.1 4818.91 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4818.91 4819.6 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4819.6 4823.79 Okay, is the is this is this generalised is this generalised anxiety, Robin? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4801.85 4802.45 I do. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4807.8 4811.02 Is anybody now terrified at the thought that we're live next week? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4807.32 4807.53 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4817.21 4820.68 That's her job. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4820.68 4821.96 Come on. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4827.29 4827.43 Yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4841.93 4842.97 Um yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4842.97 4848.02 Get that tested next couple days and I assu I assume that's not something you need me for t in terms of that. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4837.43 4841.93 So we'll we'll get we'll get the get the audio stuff tested, you know, single microphones. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4836.78 4837.24 Yep. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 4837.24 4837.43 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4837.22 4837.52 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4845.04 4845.47 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4848.63 4849.31 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4849.31 4849.47 S 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4854.92 4855.57 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4855.57 4859.93 She's using but she's actually relaxed that somewhat. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4859.93 4860.24 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4855.18 4856.41 Oh yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4859.49 4859.91 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4865.39 4865.59 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4871.54 4871.82 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4877.41 4879.25 Ostensibly booked time, which isn't 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4882.63 4883.97 Doesn't sound very useful for you. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4880.12 4882.63 So you can dash in there for half an hour at a time? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4888.01 4889.59 Okay, well. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4889.59 4890.34 You guys sort it out. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4886.78 4888.01 Uh-huh. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4907.85 4908.89 Oh yeah, yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4906.41 4907.09 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4892.6 4893.29 Right? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4907.09 4907.85 Oh yeah, yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4897.1 4900.12 Um so we can change that. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4906.07 4906.41 Oh yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4888.84 4889.38 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4893.29 4896 And l except by permission of us, alright. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4909.91 4912.52 Um there's there's a booking system, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4896 4897.1 We own it. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4908.89 4909.91 Don't worry. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4889.38 4892.6 We've but we have we have a solid booking for all the mornings anyway. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4912.52 4914.18 So it's public what's booked and what isn't. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4900.12 4906.07 I mean they everybody acknowledged the the other week that we that we had priority. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4896.18 4896.52 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4907.76 4908.5 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4904.02 4907.76 Right, but it would be kind to tell her ahead of time which of your morning sessions you're bumped. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4915.43 4918.45 I thought that was the problem that your mornings weren't sliced off on the booking system. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4915.05 4915.43 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4915.64 4915.87 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4920.1 4920.39 No. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4922.08 4926.96 Alright, maybe w should get on there and book mornings as far as the eye can see. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4937.37 4938.22 So 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4930.03 4935.39 Yeah, just a well we think we spoke to all the people who who used those facilities the other day. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4928.59 4930.03 Uh-huh. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4935.39 4937.37 But we could be wrong. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4926.96 4928.59 Alright. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4928.96 4931.84 'Cause you know, i if you're sa told use the booking system 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4940.57 4940.67 Huh. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4943.88 4951.75 And what are the instr what are the people upstairs downstairs have um i you know, as rules about who you hand the keys to. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4951.75 4958.59 'Cause, you know, we like people to know to ground the oh I thought the the lending for the booking system Caroline. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4942.46 4943.88 Yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4942.75 4943.08 Right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4951.2 4953.66 Um well the two key holders are here. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4956.32 4956.79 Oh I see. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4962.85 4963.39 I see. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4961.64 4962.85 The general office. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4960.33 4961.64 Or the general office? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4959.75 4960.33 From Caroline? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4962.84 4965.45 See, 'cause you're supposed to uh have training in 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4975.84 4976.51 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4971.74 4974.28 They couldn't actually log in. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4969.35 4971.74 They need account on these machines so that they could book. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4984.95 4990.72 because the it's the people have been leaving var um well, people have been leaving various bits of who knows what around on them,
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4974.28 4975.84 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4965.06 4969.35 But no, they need a they need an account on this machine to actually to use it. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4990.72 4994.13 right, which which we think is what's critical. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 4976.51 4984.95 We're also working on a way of making sure that the matin that the machines return to zero state when they're when you come off them. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4974.41 4976.43 Oh okay, that's fair enough. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4969.91 4972.84 Oh okay, so that's the safety. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4976.43 4976.68 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4972.84 4974.41 And you control those accounts. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4983.54 4984.64 Uh-huh, yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4986.14 4988.25 'Cause then they learn the first time. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 4984.64 4986.14 That's safer. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5003.55 5004.6 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5004.6 5005.64 I really have to get out of here. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5001.89 5003.55 Yeah, yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5005.64 5008.56 So um what else is important before you run? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 5005.6 5006.02 Okay. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 5023.53 5025.6 How about uh you have any time on Friday? 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 5014.27 5016.03 We have to try the machi th things. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 5016.03 5023.53 We have to check them with Marloes and J. P. that they like the representation, the variables, right. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 5012.6 5014.27 You have we have to build the things. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 5010.6 5012.6 Um piloting piloting piloting. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5010.6 5011.28 Nothing, right? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5013.22 5014.6 You got uh willing heads. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5026.72 5028.38 Oh, I don't think I brought my diary up. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5030 5030.46 Why? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5028.38 5030 Uh but maybe. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 5033.18 5037.1 First pilot subjects, the ones who um know which questions we wanna ask. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 5037.1 5040.56 And then we should get another pair who are naive to the whole thing. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 5030.8 5033.18 Maybe you and I should be the pilot subjects. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 5029.96 5030.8 I get a email back. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5040.93 5041.56 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5041.56 5042.16 So 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 5041.72 5042.09 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5044.5 5044.87 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5046.16 5046.46 Mm-hmm. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 5054.35 5061.93 Well um because actually we can I mean uh, you know, if we make comments, they feed back in a lo into the development. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 5052 5054.35 But yeah. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 5050.7 5052 It's it's it's wisdom. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 5046.35 5050.33 This is generalised floating anxiety. 
EN2009d H01 FEE096 5050.33 5050.7 No no. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5069.53 5071.18 'Cause I should c I should check that. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5067.53 5069.53 So do you know what time of day you might want? 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5065.91 5067.53 Hmm. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5076.45 5076.84 Okay. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 5091.02 5095.43 But ho hopefully it will run smoothly and yeah, I can relax. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 5089.82 5091.02 But yeah, I'll make sure. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 5079.93 5082.66 You don't you don't need me involved in the pilot, do you. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 5082.66 5088.14 So well unle unless unless it's a bug report, yeah. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 5088.14 5089.82 I'll w yeah w I'll I'll I'll b I'll be around. 
EN2009d H03 MEE095 5095.43 5095.66 So 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5084.78 5089.2 You all have to b you'll have to be there to when it falls over. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5096.22 5096.6 Okay. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5094.8 5096.22 Yeah. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5098.57 5100.26 So that all sounds f good fun. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5113.1 5114.8 Well I can just leave you guys here, you know. 
EN2009d H00 FEE083 5120.63 5122.06 Why not. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 33.1 33.44 Oh yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 41.58 47.05 You don't put your headset microphone? 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 78.01 82.29 So we are here to just make the point. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 82.29 83.36 Well make the point, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 85.22 87.89 Make the status about the shot detection. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 88.81 89.29 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 89.64 101.05 To so you have applied the shot detector to some of the CINETIS video, or at least one, and uh so we can basically maybe just comment on on this,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 120.49 121.07 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 114.1 119.13 I mean your report it's it should be described there or yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 119.13 120.49 You have the report? 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 101.05 108.27 maybe quickly remind what the shot detector is how the shot detector is working, basically. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 108.27 114.1 Uh we might be able anyway to give you some reference. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 94.94 95.23 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 106.79 106.97 Hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 115.14 115.49 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 123.91 132 and the goal of uh this meeting is to present the video shot detector to Olivier, okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 117.15 123.91 Yeah, I have actually yeah, the we can see the report here and the demo,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 130.66 131.97 To Olivier, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 132.28 132.6 Yes. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 163.62 168.45 But uh let's let's start by the video from Friday. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 168.45 170.09 CINETIS demo one. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 155.78 163.25 I just um uh processed from your images. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 135.62 144.19 So yeah, it was my project um during my internship at IDIAP under the supervision of Jean-Marc. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 144.19 153.13 And as you saw as you saw in the email I sent uh okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 163.25 163.62 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 153.13 155.78 I didn't send this video is the new one. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 135.05 135.62 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 162.55 168.06 Ah, okay, yes, the kayak wi I was not even with the other one, okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 171.23 178.07 By the way, I was uh going to ask, so I had seen the video, i you uh did um a downsampling of the video, right? 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 178.07 178.64 I mean 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 180.44 182.33 For uh browsing I mean. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 182.33 182.84 Okay, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 181.99 182.18 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 187.25 189.22 So this was uh 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 191.19 191.6 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 191.92 196.31 So this is hierarchical normally, so you have scenes and shots, but 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 194.72 200.74 Yeah, here on the left you have different things, but uh as applied 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 195.71 196.29 Mm 'kay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 197.79 201.95 Because for instance we could probably, you know,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 201.95 209.04 like group all the initial ones into one scene and maybe after, when there's some things inside, it s should be another scene, so. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 198.45 200.34 Okay, this is. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 207.62 208.17 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 247.39 248.45 I hope it will work. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 209.61 215.36 So this detector uh detected the thirty shots 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 238.29 247.39 Um so I we can see the video actually, uh the entire video, can open with Real Player. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 227.69 238.29 But I think th uh as it is, it's t extracted uh without uh using sub-shots, uh it's simply uh five down-sam yeah, down-sampling. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 215.36 227.69 and if you click on uh plus button you can expand it and see the key frames that are in fact uh five extracted frames from the shot. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 219.14 219.48 Mm-hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 225.93 226.41 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 225.96 228.74 Which are extracted I think uh 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 234.81 235.76 Downsampling. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 237.04 237.42 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 242.76 243.07 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 255.23 264.58 So we don't have the the sound, and it won't be grabbed the video won't uh I don't know if uh 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 265.85 267.47 Okay, it's not good quality. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 271.52 273.76 It it's not this that you processed, right? 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 268.05 271.52 Yeah, the quality is that's why I was asking that. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 273.76 274.6 Okay, okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 271.32 271.95 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 273.29 274.63 No no no no no no. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 274.63 277.23 It's in Real Media, so it's very compressed. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 283.07 287.95 And uh if we go down, I mean maybe in terms of shot here, we can see that 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 277.25 283.07 So here we see that we the shot at eighteenth and after twenty twos and after again. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 277.44 277.97 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 283.64 283.92 'Kay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 290.08 294.42 Right, I mean so now we see shot seven I suppose, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 300.02 300.54 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 303.05 307.11 Uh yeah, okay, shot nine currently, shot ten probably. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 303.64 305.74 Uh okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 310.95 312.52 No, eleven. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 312.52 315.36 Or no this is ten indeed, okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 315.36 315.57 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 309.12 310.95 Eleven or twelve. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 312.48 315.29 Uh ten yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 315.29 316.97 And then there's um 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 317.02 320.86 Yeah, this one, it's eleven, twelve 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 317.52 318.02 Mm-hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 319.95 320.27 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 322.48 323.81 or fourteen seconds. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 327.98 328.4 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 331.28 331.51 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 334.64 341.39 It's really a dissolve or is it really like is you have the feeling that it's both 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 330.57 331.28 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 331.51 334.64 Yeah, it's inside and yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 332.21 333.93 Yes. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 333.93 340.23 And this one, yeah, it's a dissolve it's a dissolve, so it doesn't detect yeah,
IN1001 H01 MIO016 340.23 344 when I saw the M. with M. Player, it's a dissolve, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 337.96 338.47 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 342.85 343.23 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 347.38 359.75 But it's it's it's not standard man-made movies, because I would say most of the time people couldn didn't do any dissolve. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 359.75 364.36 Yeah, I could see here, I mean, that it was like horse it was only one single one. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 354.48 354.85 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 356.45 356.7 Mm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 360.7 361.9 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 361.9 362.26 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 370.2 370.81 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 363.89 364.37 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 364.37 370.2 I don't know if this one if we see was correctly uh, you see? 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 370.71 373.11 This is the one I I had seen, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 378.93 382.34 so you don't esti yeah, but you don't really estimate motion. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 373.11 378.93 But as I said, I mean uh with even the motion detector, when it's black it's there is not s no structure,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 369.7 370.71 N yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 372.71 372.87 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 380.86 385.25 But okay, because there is no motion in fact between the two shots. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 378.98 380.86 But there is a moon. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 391.03 400.48 Uh but for instance of course between the horse and uh and um the c the c uh uh yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 407.72 414.36 But it's not even sure, because the background is quite similar and uh it's it's it's not that sure. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 386.69 391.03 There is no texture, if you want to say so, and this is this is not so good for the motion. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 400.48 407.72 Uh the cows, yeah, maybe we could have detected things. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 384.46 386.69 Well, there is no structure. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 387.55 388.71 Yeah, okay, okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 405.36 405.7 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 404.16 405.36 The cow? 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 409.11 409.49 Mm-hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 423.87 428.37 and we didn't use motion features at all for that, that's why i we 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 414.36 423.87 Yeah, maybe to explain this method was using uh a simple uh uh distance between uh consecutive histograms,
IN1001 H02 MIO066 423.51 423.86 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 426.19 426.46 Mm. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 432.43 439.3 So it's it's scrambled, so you can scramble the image and you get the same histogram. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 428.03 429.11 So it's yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 463.93 469.84 so you have more sky, which is black on the right, so you don't care about this. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 469.84 473.02 So it's a glo it's global it's a global histogram, so yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 429.11 432.43 The histogram, so we have experience with it. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 439.3 445.79 So there is no structure indeed, so of course when you look the horse and then you can see as a cow the cows 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 453.2 457.34 which is even not green there but uh uh grass. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 445.79 453.2 of course you have a black in the top and uh you have also uh maybe eighty percent of like green uh 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 457.34 463.93 You have stones and uh so there of course are differences, because on the one hand you have horse, but it's black,
IN1001 H02 MIO066 431.55 432.55 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 431.2 431.55 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 431.66 432.47 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 436.85 437.21 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 439.13 439.34 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 440.96 441.39 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 453.53 453.96 Mm-hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 467.82 468.11 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 473.39 473.67 'Kay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 482.11 487.38 Uh and it's a threshold but still it's adaptive, right, if I remember well, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 475.89 482.11 But it's when for this I would for this application I could imagine that it would were quite high. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 480.31 480.71 Hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 480.81 481.39 Enough 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 487.69 489.27 With a sliding window. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 485.86 486.8 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 486.8 487.69 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 489.83 490.21 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 489.01 489.83 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 502.17 502.84 Right. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 495.09 502.17 if you have the report because if you compute the um distance between the two histograms, I think this was Bhattacharya? 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 491.29 495.09 Because of course if you just compute the yeah,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 490.32 491.29 So. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 502.84 505.08 So now we know. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 493.76 495.39 I can show you uh 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 501.78 502.12 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 502.85 503.59 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 503.59 505.08 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 505.64 515.42 And uh so if you take uh these two with the with the Bhattacharya uh then of course you should just do a threshold. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 526.82 539.07 It's only if you have an identified peak, which is m fifty percent or maybe uh two times higher than the the next second value in the window 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 521.35 526.82 if you see that there is a continuous change of the d distance, you don't do a threshold. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 542.52 543.47 Right, I don't know. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 539.07 542.52 then you say it's it's a shot. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 515.42 521.35 When there is motion you will see a lot of things changing, so by using an L. R. T. T. threshold,
IN1001 H02 MIO066 519.44 519.62 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 529.03 529.41 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 586.58 592.78 yeah, it just shows that there is a shot uh change at the end, but even for dissolves,
IN1001 H01 MIO016 592.78 599.53 I don't have examples here, but um there is not a strict uh transition. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 557.17 573.04 but uh the this image shows the results using motion when you s use the motion features, and here on the right is when using the histogram uh distance. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 599.53 603.6 Uh it's continuous for dissolves. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 542.79 557.17 I don't know if we c we want to make uh use the whiteboard or here it's uh it was uh to dis it's infra only the this part about uh shot boundary detection is in French unfortunately,
IN1001 H01 MIO016 573.04 586.58 And the the motion features can better show what's going on when there is such a difficult uh transition, while with the histogram um,
IN1001 H01 MIO016 603.6 604.87 Dissolves is uh yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 541.41 542.79 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 553.69 554.29 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 557.94 558.15 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 573.64 574.08 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 598.72 599.03 Mm-hmm. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 608.49 616.04 because sometimes you have some dissolve you could imagine they are part of of of a scene and uh so,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 599.79 603.41 It's continuous for dissolve, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 603.41 608.49 But an anyway it's difficult, I mean in th in in in general 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 616.04 620.82 but of course when you have cuts you can see they are easy to detect, right, I mean like something yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 604.88 605.11 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 601.8 602.98 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 603.91 604.88 Yeah, I understand. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 602.98 603.91 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 615.2 615.41 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 619.8 620.47 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 619.95 620.21 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 621.8 628.74 So uh yeah, so with the motion basically the motion tried to estimate well the motion between two frames,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 643.64 647.08 right, who have some motion, so uh 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 634.95 643.64 So you can see that like somebody speaking and so and so before the sh before the shot you can see that usually there are like ninety percent of the points at least,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 628.74 634.95 right, if my image is there but after it's there, and it looks at how many points c are well matched. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 624.45 624.98 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 629.24 629.61 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 634.78 635.16 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 643.64 643.98 Hmm. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 647.4 652.88 But then after suddenly if you go from one frame and you try to match all the points here with like a translation 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 657.55 664.01 so basically you would see that the number of points maybe only ten percent of the points you can match well, so it's easy to detect. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 652.88 655.03 plus the zoom plus maybe some rotation,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 655.03 657.55 you c you can find anything well, right,
IN1001 H02 MIO066 652.6 652.91 Mm-hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 654.51 654.88 Mm-hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 657.03 657.41 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 662.37 662.93 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 683.15 687.43 but of course you should go from this histogram to this which is essentially green. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 670.71 674.76 you can do a very good registration through the number of points. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 677.8 683.15 Uh and here you basically here with a histogram uh you can see it very flat 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 687.43 696.14 You have this big uh measure, which is here uh the chi two I don't know whether this is what you implement is used in the no it's 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 674.76 677.8 Is very high, I mean the number of points that are matching. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 664.35 670.71 And uh after you can see that indeed because it's a long shot and it's almost like a flat plane 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 671.25 671.44 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 676.28 676.68 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 675.64 676.28 We'll see. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 674.29 675.64 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 688.03 688.98 see the cut. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 694.44 699.73 No no, now it's uh well for the video you saw it wa it's Bhattacharya. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 699.32 700.29 It's Bhattacharya. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 700.29 700.58 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 701.03 701.44 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 708.1 710.3 You had something like this, right? 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 710.3 712.05 Just to explain uh how 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 702.4 708.1 Yeah, so yeah, and you have maybe a one image with a um adaptive threshold, I think. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 708.54 708.84 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 712.66 713.8 Okay, set the beginning. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 713.97 715.42 Yeah, uh 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 717.41 718.82 Yeah, you see like here. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 718.82 718.91 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 720.66 726.22 So there is the idea is having a sliding window. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 732.19 747 And then to detect uh the the the the changes, we we do a calculation um with points under this sliding window within this sliding window. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 747 751.35 And uh we calculate so what do we here? 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 726.22 732.19 Um we have already all the data that is on the graph. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 751.35 752.42 Um 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 725.87 726.21 Mm-hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 732.03 732.39 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 754.27 763.21 In fa we want to detect that uh this points in the middle is higher than uh 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 768.97 769.88 Of the other ones. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 765.12 768.97 Alpha times the maximum of the other ones. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 765.47 765.69 Th 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 767.22 769.34 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 769.61 770.14 Alpha. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 770.14 771.91 Alpha times the maximum of the other ones. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 768.57 769.61 Exactly, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 770.6 771.27 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 772.17 778.61 So the of course if it's you are not a maximum, you are not going i inside the window you are not the max,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 787.45 788.04 Uh. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 778.61 787.45 anyway you are not going to be to be above uh alpha times the max of the others, right, uh because alpha is low lower than one. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 781.22 782.33 The c 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 784.58 784.99 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 787.71 799.74 But if you are in the maximum already and at this point we check simply if uh this value is alpha times the the max of the other points 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 799.74 800.9 let's say these points here. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 801.31 807.96 Like for instance here I I see six, but I don't know whether this was for Bhattacharya or for uh chi s chi two. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 799.66 801.31 Like for instance yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 802.59 803.06 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 801.79 802.59 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 819.69 819.99 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 807.44 819.69 Um i maybe for chi it's it six but uh, yeah, but uh for Bhattacharya it's for the tests I did it two point four. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 809.8 810.28 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 825.89 832.32 So you can uh it was not so just I mean because the motion I mean it was uh in the shot we've seen,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 848.18 854.66 Um but uh still uh in some of the v these videos for instance even if we gon go now if we want to,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 843.52 848.18 With Bhattacharya it's between zero and one, so you have not so much amplitude. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 819.12 824.62 Two point four, yeah, so it's a bit less because the amplitude is much smaller, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 832.32 838.46 f because f especially with chi two square it r the amplitude it's much bigger than with Bhattacharya, right. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 838.46 843.52 Uh you can see that it could go to seven hundred, and when it's there is nothing, it's can be zero. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 854.66 856.83 but now for the kayak case, I don't know. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 856.83 863.26 Uh at some point targeting two kayaks and it's moving quite fast towards to other people. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 824.62 825.89 uh yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 817.65 819.12 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 863.26 867.77 I don't know what happened there, if it was detected as a shot transition or 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 822.13 822.75 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 823.28 823.69 Hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 825.3 825.61 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 829.42 830.02 No 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 837.79 838.53 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 841.35 841.72 Mm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 846.52 846.89 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 869.7 873.92 Yeah, I saw that it was detected as a shot, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 866.48 869.7 Uh i in the the first shot? 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 875.87 877.96 But he didn't okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 874.87 875.87 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 873.92 874.87 You want to see now? 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 869.35 869.86 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 873.28 875.97 I was uh wondering yeah yeah, maybe. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 871.5 873.28 It was it as a shot, okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 877.52 884.41 But here for instance you understand so we can show this tomorrow to uh to the people at the ci CINETIS meeting, I mean to 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 882.13 882.97 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 884.81 888.53 I will look to have a connection. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 889.77 890.98 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 884.34 884.81 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 888.53 889.77 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 890.98 893.27 And we need a laptop or you have yours? 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 885.71 886.13 Right. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 887.6 889.54 Yeah, okay, yeah, we need a connection, that's true. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 895.75 898.5 I'll I'll bring it, okay, so it's it's done. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 891.1 893.05 Yeah, that's true. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 893.05 895.75 Yeah, I can bring my laptop if necessary, yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 895.02 895.55 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 897.07 897.49 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 902.57 911.14 So here in fact after twelve um I don't know if it's I think it's twelve frames. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 899.34 902.57 This is IDIAP laptop, so you can u okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 898.17 899.34 It is uh okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 902.2 902.41 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 911.18 916.17 Well yeah, but normally there is a a burning if you c maybe you can play the shot or 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 912.48 913.29 Uh okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 916.69 917.01 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 917.91 926.97 It's strange I mean, maybe you play yeah, if you play the the video well, insi at the beginning, I don't know what's happening. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 918.44 919.92 Oh yeah, maybe you're burning, but 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 929.97 934.5 I didn't uh ha I didn't have time to the the Real Media. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 926.66 929.97 Oh, there is no ha ha. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 934.5 937.77 But um yeah, it's complicated. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 934.22 934.53 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 931.05 934.22 Ah, you didn't generate the okay, the Real Media. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 938.02 943.91 Well no, I mean here I can see that it was it was detected as a single shot. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 943.91 944.6 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 944.6 952.18 I was because here you can see that the motion uh here is uh, you know, he is uh doing a zoom on the two kayaks here. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 942.5 944.17 Yeah, here we can see that, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 945.95 946.81 At two point four. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 948.81 949.37 Mm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 950.43 950.75 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 951.24 953.65 And then there is translation on the right, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 957.56 962.66 and I was wondering whether so if you well though of course it's true that it's mainly water,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 952.51 957.56 Yeah, and then he's doing quite a fast transition from these to another one 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 962.66 973.41 so maybe the colour is indeed uh quite but you know, as a kayak is entering quite fast, I mean you can have quite maybe good distance. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 973.41 978.41 But I see that it seems to be how many shots do you have indeed de de detected? 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 956.6 957.39 Mm mm mm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 956.89 957.43 Mm 'kay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 969.01 969.25 Hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 970.21 974.29 I can see uh there is another programme that can see 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 970.55 970.8 Hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 977.05 978.92 Uh the N. uh 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 980.31 983.2 It's I think it's f there there are five normally. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 989.25 991.7 It's with the images I gave you or okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 982.37 989.25 Six, yeah, the one is uh maybe so you did it with with what by the way? 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 984.45 986.16 If we put expand all 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 986.79 988.77 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 990.98 991.35 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1036.24 1038.38 This one is this one, the middle one. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1016.17 1025.18 it's uh it doesn't uh compile anymore on Debian machines and, yeah, some maybe some work has to be done on this. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 992.82 1001.01 The other one I had problems converting uh uh the video into D. V. X. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1043.93 1056.18 But what I can show you now is a little programme if we want to be um very precise about so it's ma get frames 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1025.18 1036.24 I don't know why this uh image doesn't appear, this is the um um the frame that is uh uh extracted to be the shot key frame here. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1038.38 1043.93 So I don't know what why it doesn't appear, but it just uh a simple problem in the get frame. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1009.8 1016.17 Because yeah, one thing uh maybe we will talk about that is the library uh,
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1001.01 1009.8 and then uh so I used the programme from uh software from Sebastien, P. P. A. P. M. to A. V. I. . 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 999.52 1000.47 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1000.47 1001.02 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1006.66 1009.51 Ah, to regenerate an A. V. I. file, okay, yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1009.08 1009.55 Hmm. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1020.56 1020.97 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1021.26 1021.61 Hmm. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1041.51 1041.98 Okay, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1043.19 1043.58 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1064.08 1066.61 Okay, C. G. I. here. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1069.71 1075.35 And we were interested in around what di do you want? 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1075.35 1077.16 Around six, seven seconds? 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1077.85 1081.31 Yeah, I mean initially I don't know why there is a a shot detected. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1082.61 1085.08 Uh if we do next. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1080.98 1082.61 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1087.69 1091.4 There is something wrong. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1087.29 1087.69 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1086.64 1087.29 Oh. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1091.4 1092.93 So it detects 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1088.83 1090.01 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1090.01 1090.52 Oh yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1097.33 1099.31 In your programme. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1101.09 1103.01 Okay, okay so then this 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1091.6 1097.33 Ah okay, so the okay so the here is an image number. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1099.31 1101.09 Ah okay, okay, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1091.99 1093.25 There was some burning 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1101.02 1102.52 It's a frame number. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1099.34 1101.02 Uh w I don't know why, yeah yeah yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1096.58 1099.34 Yeah, in fact, yeah, that's why I said it's it's a frame number. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1102.52 1106.6 This is a frame number, this is in second, but I I kept the frame number. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1106.34 1109.98 So, but it's in seconds or it's 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1109.6 1112.67 It's twelve frames, zero seconds. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1117.99 1123.66 Okay, so basically what has been uh yeah, extracted is yeah, this point rather than okay, so this is normal, okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1113.76 1117.99 Okay, yeah, okay, okay, seconds plus number. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1111.86 1113.76 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1113.78 1114.59 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1116.28 1119.33 And the next is eleven seconds and twelve frames. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1116.29 1116.67 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1122.47 1123.45 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1123.86 1134.93 So if we do every second uh I d the middle frame is uh this one thousand 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1123.45 1123.86 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1122.79 1122.98 Hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1140.02 1142.55 Do you thi it's another kind of browsing page,
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1139.6 1140.02 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1151.65 1158.33 Anyway, you go back to one frame around f one sixty for instance, I don't know. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1142.55 1151.65 but uh to be more precise about uh to to check maybe the this yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1143.44 1144.02 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1146.08 1146.53 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1148.83 1151.55 Okay, like transition, something that is okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1151.88 1152.27 Hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1160.26 1165.1 And and there is yeah, that's it, you know. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1165.1 1165.58 Prev 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1163.83 1164.24 Understand. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1161.88 1162.48 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1162.48 1163.83 Ah, okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1173.14 1174.55 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1166.99 1167.47 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1167.47 1173.14 You see that there is uh okay, it's not a shot change, it's a motion actually here. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1172.29 1174.29 Yeah, it's motion yeah, it's not a cut. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1182.75 1188.53 sometimes I mean you can have various things hap I mean just think about more action movie and thing like this. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1174.29 1176.84 Yeah, but I was thinking that maybe it could have been. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1176.84 1182.75 But it's true that it's mainly water when we see things, so it's, yeah, it's not such a big uh but yeah 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1176.46 1180.41 Yeah, I s yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1187.53 1188.03 Mm 'kay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1216.54 1222.85 Because the shots are very short in advertising, usually it's uh very fast and so sometimes,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1212.83 1216.54 come on, uh advertising usually. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1198.46 1198.77 you know 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1188.62 1193.59 Well sometimes it's very difficult, so focus, usually there is no problem,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1193.59 1198.46 people say this is a cut, this is not a cut, but like for dissolve even sometimes 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1222.85 1228.36 yeah, when you have an incrustation like last time, what what should you say, it's it's, yeah, it's a change of 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1198.77 1206.71 people may it's people may have some trouble I mean this is a dissolve this is not this should this should be labelled as a transition or not. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1206.71 1212.83 Some people will say yeah, but it's part of the thing, or uh for instance in like in um also in uh,
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1195.83 1195.92 Mm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1203.07 1203.59 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1203.59 1203.99 Mm-hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1215.67 1218.69 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1218.27 1220.82 Okay, mm-hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1220.82 1221.14 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1229.52 1242.05 When you have yeah, the the goal results uh then yeah, in fact it's not a shot change. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1242.05 1242.33 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1229.8 1231.23 But uh 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1231.21 1231.54 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1234.59 1234.95 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1251.67 1254.98 too a bit whiter, I think this type of things should be fine. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1239.4 1242.66 Yeah, I mean it's a so sometimes very difficult. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1242.66 1251.67 A at least what I can see that currently like for CINETIS uh for instance if it's to do colour correction or for instance if it's too black,
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1240.63 1241.29 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1251.58 1251.99 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1254.92 1255.27 Hmm. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1260.59 1265.29 Maybe after they have this and they may say okay, just by looking at least the summary 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1272.66 1287.28 from this shot to this shot we apply like uh specific um colour enhancement algorithm or restoration algorithm or uh to improve uh the brightness and something like this right. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1287.28 1293.16 And uh so I think for them this is fine um after i yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1269.88 1272.66 but by just looking at the key frames and so on they may say okay 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1255.38 1260.59 Because basically it's even if they are not real shots, they are not so interested if it's not real shot. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1265.29 1269.88 so maybe for the summary we could do better uh key frame extraction for instance 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1259.61 1260.08 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1281.26 1281.49 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1288.48 1288.7 Hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1294.73 1302.08 When you say from this shot to this shot is using a graphical user interface someone who would do manually for each video. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1292.01 1294.73 So this would ma be made uh manually actually. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1297.02 1297.43 Hmm. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1301.27 1307.75 Well, maybe after I mean they would sh okay, uh they would go directly and say select the shots from here to here,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1307.75 1310.81 and they would say you apply this algorithm, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1309.82 1310.78 Method, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1311.41 1311.68 Hmm. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1330.22 1332.05 And they have to do it an to do it anyway 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1313.41 1320.42 So of course we could try to make scene clustering and so on, but I'm not even sure that this is necessary for them at this point,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1320.42 1324.17 because uh if they have a six minute movie, if they have thirty shots,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1324.17 1330.22 for them it might be easier to look at from here to here I apply this, and they can do it quite quickly. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1347.19 1354.8 So so I think for them uh this type of things is going to be useful uh, at least for this task. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1332.05 1338.45 because what's going to take time might be uh to select the type of restoration algorithm or the type of things. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1338.45 1347.19 So this might take more time than having to click two times on two shots rather tha tha than uh having directly a scene, right? 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1318.06 1318.39 Hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1323.49 1324.39 Yeah, mm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1327.43 1327.77 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1337.26 1338.36 Ah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1338.06 1338.21 Hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1341.22 1341.69 Mm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1340.18 1341.22 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1343.5 1343.87 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1355.76 1356.07 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1360.6 1370.36 Uh this is the right segmentation for some of these, but so but this is another point which for motion stabilisation,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1375.77 1381.34 but of course if we can provide things, we'll do it, but uh yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1356.26 1360.6 If they want to do stabilisation, it may not be sure of that. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1381.34 1384.49 So do you have uh more question or uh do you have a 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1370.36 1375.77 as I said several time, we are not we did not commit to provide anything,
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1360.18 1360.38 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1359.46 1360.18 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1361.97 1362.2 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1379.02 1380.12 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1383.18 1383.3 No. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1383.3 1390.88 Uh I have look at the demo film, and it's about uh 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1392.82 1396.32 forty minutes and about uh 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1398.09 1405.51 hundred and seventy three different shots, so it's yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1403.12 1406.02 This is the one in the D. V. D. ? 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1406.02 1410.97 Maybe okay, we can uh see a little bit if you want, to play the 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1425.98 1435.95 I if this is to r to to to make a change in the colour, light and uh they have a lot of uh shots. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1425.74 1425.98 No? 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1410.35 1412.03 Yes. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1417.11 1425.74 because uh this will make about uh five seconds for each shot, so I think it's very short. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1412.03 1417.11 And uh I don't know if this is a real sample D. V. D. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1424.66 1425.75 Well no, it's okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1425.69 1428.61 Well I just i i i it's I think this is 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1446.3 1450.18 I mean where I mean if second select from shot one to seven 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1437 1446.3 Yeah, but after I mean it may be more like a guy um i int i in an interface, a guy interface. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1479.93 1483.92 because still you can check if you have some ambiguities you are not sure, you could 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1468.67 1476.23 Uh because after it depends, I mean if you give only one key frame per shot, after I mean it's one hundred seventy images,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1458.26 1468.67 And I think it's anyway, if it's too summarised after they may want to go inside uh to see whether there is not special things I mean, so. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1476.23 1479.93 it's quite fast, right, and so I think and the hierarchical thing is good,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1450.18 1458.26 uh this is a same seg they may do the grouping by themselves quite by looking at this it may take w w less one one minutes. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1441.69 1441.95 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1446.34 1447.16 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1449.87 1452.18 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1448.87 1449.87 Ah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1456.57 1457.87 Okay, understand. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1467.68 1467.99 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1469.59 1469.94 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1476.48 1476.94 Hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1485.65 1498.13 but now I understand better that CINETIS wants this kind of method to help them to restore and to apply the algori some algorithms to to to make a better movie 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1505.37 1507 Also but okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1504.69 1505.37 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1498.13 1498.54 okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1498.54 1504.69 It's not for the client, for the user who will uh maybe okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1483.49 1485.65 Okay, uh in fact I didn't understand that 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1483.83 1484.12 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1493.31 1495.32 Yeah, at least yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1491.75 1493.31 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1490.93 1491.75 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1492.76 1494.99 Yeah, yes. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1498.11 1498.96 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1498.45 1498.67 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1500.85 1501.66 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1501.66 1501.96 Oh. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1501.96 1505.11 Maybe they can 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1508.24 1522.16 I I hope uh that uh if it's a big success uh they will ask IDIAP to to provide something like this of course with some money or at least to pay a student or somebody for doing it 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1530.3 1532.75 indeed you could provide like the A. V. I. to the clients,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1547.34 1552.43 because he knows what they're I mean he we wants to have this and this and uh right, so. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1532.75 1541.69 and he may ask for special services or uh and even to just to watch the movie, to have direct access to different parts and so on. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1541.69 1547.34 But it's uh I mean uh this labelling might be more easy to do for the client by the client,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1522.89 1530.3 of course this was ultimately I think one way of uh if you could provide like chapters or something like this 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1522.16 1522.89 but uh yeah 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1501.64 1508.24 Well, ultim ultimately I think this is the type of things, but at this point we uh yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1508.92 1509.07 Hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1516.81 1517.15 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1521.5 1521.77 Mm-hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1529.96 1530.34 Mm-hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1539.67 1539.8 Hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1541.12 1541.82 Mm-hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1541.82 1542.86 Yeah, uh okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1552.33 1556.63 Because he did the movie, so he wants t okay, to archive, he wants to okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1548.85 1550.66 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1550.66 1552.33 Ah, okay, yeah yeah yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1549.11 1549.53 Mm-hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1551.45 1551.58 Mm. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1589.23 1593.19 say this is this, this is this, this is this, this is this, and when he would receive the D. V. D. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1556.82 1562.86 Otherwise, I mean this but of but of course it might be easy to do a very simple software 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1593.19 1597.75 he would indeed uh get already the chapters that he decided to put there. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1554.25 1556.82 Yeah, yeah, he may want to organi yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1567.91 1579.05 and after it would generate automatically some index and uh as a I suppose the client might be interested in such a such a things if he could uh generate automatically on the D. V. D. . 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1579.05 1582.52 But for and you could imagine that before sending in the D. V. D. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1562.86 1567.91 which would allow the user to select just the shots and give names 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1582.52 1589.23 you could allow him to l to watch this type of interface, and he would be able to do the selection,
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1555.08 1555.15 Mm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1558.33 1560.32 This is yeah, another mm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1567.94 1568.28 Mm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1571.21 1571.88 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1571.88 1572.12 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1573.07 1573.6 Mm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1576.21 1576.76 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1574.95 1576.21 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1575.77 1575.98 Mm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1586.62 1586.96 Mm-hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1590.04 1590.21 Mm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1592.85 1593.23 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1592.16 1592.85 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1597.92 1600.47 And this could be done by through internet. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1600.75 1601.89 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1601.89 1605.08 And I think this may it it's good that this is a demo like this,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1605.08 1609.85 because I'm sure that they might be interested indeed, because I imagine that some people 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1602.5 1602.71 Mm-hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1604.19 1604.85 Mm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1606 1606.31 Mm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1607.1 1607.53 Mm-hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1608.26 1608.76 Yes. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1609.02 1614.79 From the client point of view and from the preparation of the movie D. V. D., mm. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1611.89 1612.66 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1612.66 1613.71 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1615.85 1620.08 Uh yeah, so I think this is uh this is a very good uh and a yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1623.03 1624.34 But uh 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1624.44 1625.7 Okay, I will play, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1629.05 1633.71 So this is a kind of service, I don't know, either they give it for free and uh 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1635.7 1636.55 But uh 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1636.04 1637.34 We had an arrow here or what? 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1637.34 1637.46 It's 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1637.99 1638.29 Sorry? 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1645.97 1650.43 uh you i it could be proposed. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1654.11 1660.42 So i here it's fine to do motion compensation, but stabilisation rather than yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1638.25 1645.97 But you see that sometimes even here it's a bit like uh it's for instance if people would like to have like some motion compensation 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1650.43 1654.11 But for instance here it I wou it would be problematic to have motion. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1639.81 1640.11 Th 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1646.37 1647.24 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1648.37 1648.74 Mm-hmm. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1665.2 1666.18 But 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1667.58 1669.9 For instance here it's it's it's it's 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1673.58 1674.09 Mm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1676.18 1683.42 Yeah, uh I think I think they made some uh special effect in this D. V. D. . 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1683.42 1693.64 Uh there is two or three time uh you see you see the same uh same kind of uh scene, uh just uh two or three seconds 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1679.26 1680.59 Effects? 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1680.59 1681.11 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1685.91 1687.57 If I go to menu there is something? 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1692.72 1697.85 Ah okay, so maybe like here for instance it is a just reproduced two times uh. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1696.2 1696.61 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1698.21 1698.52 Hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1699.23 1700.13 Do you know what this is? 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1703.1 1704.43 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1700.13 1703.1 No, old menu uh there is no menu in the D. V. D. ? 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1704.43 1704.76 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1702.53 1703.66 No, there's no menu. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1705.33 1708.21 There is just one uh one chapter and no menu. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1709.1 1709.62 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1711.07 1714.93 So this is the same video a the the A. V. I. number one? 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1714.15 1715.7 Yeah, yes. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1716.68 1717.36 Uh 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1715.7 1716.68 Yes. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1715.59 1715.94 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1716.61 1719.41 And on the on the D. V. D. I saw that there are some other stuff. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1722.73 1723.13 I dunno. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1724.26 1724.66 This one? 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1726.03 1736.98 Uh I think in the video there's two there's two video, one is a real video and the other is a just uh introduction when you have the menu. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1726.73 1727.2 The same. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1737.17 1737.54 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1740.73 1741.13 Oops. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1743.92 1746.38 This video is about four minutes, five minutes, right? 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1742.46 1743.92 So this is vi okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1746.83 1748.78 No, it's uh thirteen minutes. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1749.35 1751.92 Ah okay, so this is not the one that has been uh 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1764.22 1772.76 But now I have one file also in the so you can process again one time. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1751.13 1760.93 No, but yes, this is the same, but uh there was a problem when do the grab from the D. V. D. to the files. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1760.93 1764.22 So this is why they have make two two files. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1763.67 1764.46 Okay, I understand. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1762.1 1763.67 There are two files. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1761.26 1762.1 Uh. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1760.19 1761.26 Ah, okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1760.53 1760.94 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1768.61 1768.92 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1770.67 1773.03 Run the okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1772.46 1772.92 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1775.77 1779.53 I mean the processing. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1774.33 1775.77 It's it's it's real time, right? 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1779.53 1779.78 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1774.38 1774.95 Um 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1777.73 1778.3 Mm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1780.04 1785.19 I would maybe a less a little bit less than uh a bit more than real time maybe. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1778.96 1780.04 Yeah, almost. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1786.51 1788.33 Well anyway, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1784.82 1786.51 A bit more than real time? 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1786.61 1790.81 I will have to check, but if it's five minutes videos, it's like done in yeah, quickly. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1788.04 1788.36 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1799.81 1809.18 I mean to especially if uh we need to interface new uh um yeah, or for just reading,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1836.56 1844.76 So if we want to do a special thing that probably runs fast, it may be easier to do it directly and uh yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1809.18 1816.77 I mean the the D. V. X. and thing like this, so it's uh uh so tomor anyway for this we don't know exactly yet,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1793.81 1799.81 But i probably it's probable that even for the project you would do some of the reprogramming,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1816.77 1823.91 because it's not sure what they want to what the user's tools for reading D. V. D. and so on, so. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1823.91 1836.56 And s because I don't think this is so difficult, now you have um already looked at the histograms and open C. V. computing distances and so on. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1790.61 1793.81 Yeah, normally it could it could go faster. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1798.76 1799.09 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1800.52 1800.9 Yes. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1801.23 1801.62 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1804.05 1804.37 Hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1805.3 1807.65 Components open C. V. . 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1811.03 1811.27 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1810.24 1811.03 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1811.86 1812.44 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1817.2 1817.58 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1817.72 1818.23 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1822.04 1822.43 Yes. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1826.85 1827.38 Hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1832.9 1833.8 Open C. yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1834.03 1834.84 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1834.84 1835.15 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1841.11 1841.56 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1849.88 1855.46 But uh but yeah, the interface is very so the interface uses the output of your programme. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1855.46 1856.68 Essentially, okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1856.31 1859.88 So that we'll use the whiteboard. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1863.55 1880.9 Um for instance you see um on the uh on the U. R. L. I put okay, I I disco there is M. M. M. dot IDIAP dot C. H. slash V. C. G. I. bin 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1859.88 1863.55 So in fact, yeah, the interface is quite is quite simple to use. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1855.59 1856.31 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1858.14 1860.04 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1882.69 1884.31 slash video browser. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1888.11 1890.85 Okay, uh slash video browser three frames, 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1893.92 1898.64 three frames dot H. T. M. L. . 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1898.64 1910.3 And then this C. G. I. programme ask the mm parameter C. video and M. equals CINETIS okay, demo one. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1912.24 1918.1 In fact um I just explain how to put the data on M. M. M., but it's quite simple. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1917.09 1917.41 Mm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1919.64 1931.78 When you log into M. M. M. as with a C. C. S. S. H. for instance, um so you just put it's working like this, M. M. M. data 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1933.88 1934.91 video browser. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1944.48 1945.03 And then 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1942.43 1944.48 Uh okay, slash. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1947.04 1951.24 This is the name of the new directory you will create. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1954.05 1954.8 Demo one. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1956.64 1961.99 And there stands there is couple of things well it's uh 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1963.51 1968.64 this name so I will say this is video name, so video name 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1970.65 1978.75 dot A. V. I., you just because we need the A. V. I. so that we can uh 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1979.24 1980.69 You can do the get frame. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1980.65 1983.27 Yeah, we can do the the get frame 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1986.96 1988.33 Ye okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1983.45 1985.5 But otherwise it's not necessary. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1985.5 1986.96 Oh yeah, no no no. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1991.19 1991.51 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1988.33 1991.19 Oh no no, you need you need to generate these images, right? 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1985.76 1987.6 Otherwise it's not necessary. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1987.6 1990.45 Oh, uh f and also for the 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1992.08 1995.58 Yeah, and this is no no no, uh this is done on the fly. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1998.18 2005.44 So you need that, you need uh the X. M. L. v so it's video name 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 1995.58 1998.18 With get frame. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1995.78 1996.53 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 1996.53 1997.15 Okay, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 1997.4 1997.97 Mm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2000.01 2000.4 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2008.13 2016.46 And I could data dot X. M. L., but in fact it's just a simple convention, I w could have put nothing, but I just put data. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2016.46 2018.24 The it's a convention. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2018.24 2020.93 Data, and then video name. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2018.11 2018.76 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2022.42 2027.55 Okay, it's R. M. nine dot R. M. for other stuff. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2027.55 2031.57 But in fact, yeah, when I think now, we could have uh 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2027.65 2029.43 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2029.43 2029.62 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2026.09 2027.65 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2033.01 2035.28 Only with uh extension you can you can see. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2033.37 2033.63 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2033.6 2035.27 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2035.27 2043.52 But the the name of the video file is video name is uh it's the same as a directory. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2045.07 2045.51 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2043.52 2045.07 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2038.74 2042.1 The name is no of in fact yeah, is is yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2048.38 2049.23 And that's it actually. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2043.41 2048.38 It could have been video naming also, but it's the same as a directory. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2049.23 2051.31 When you you u you do that 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2042.1 2043.41 Yeah, is the same as the directory. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2041.1 2042.98 As a directory, yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2045.24 2045.52 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2052.63 2059.02 I did the same for kayak you say kayak in fact now it's kayak, and then you can see. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2059.02 2072.52 And this output yeah, as your this output uh this file is an output from the mm the software, the shot boundary detection software. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2056.26 2057.14 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2057.14 2057.39 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2056.61 2056.96 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2060.89 2062.01 X. M. L., yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2069.39 2071.69 On the shot. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2071.75 2072.8 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2072.8 2073.28 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2075.07 2086.15 And it's a simple format I suppose, like uh like you have scenes and shots and uh key s some time stamps. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2086.15 2086.41 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2081.71 2083.91 Yeah, uh actually we 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2077.4 2081.71 It's a very simple format, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2082.67 2084 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2084 2084.42 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2093.29 2098.17 It's, yeah, it's uh tha video, scene, shot 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2111.32 2118.48 And if we do in fact I don't know yeah, it's Mozilla Firefox view page source okay, view frame source. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2085.6 2093.29 Uh yeah, I don't yeah, we cannot see. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2098.17 2109.36 it's hierarchical in X. M. L. and key frame time stamp and the and from the time stamp and the video location he knows how to get the frame. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2109.36 2111.32 Each of these frames. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2090.84 2092.19 Okay, yes, okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2092.76 2094.28 So but you're yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2094.28 2096.44 Yeah, I mean it it might be good to 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2096.36 2097.36 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2102.8 2103.76 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2109.62 2110.56 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2110.56 2110.9 Mm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2115.46 2121.02 So every every frame on the f page is uh online. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2112.96 2115.46 Okay, okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2136.19 2143.84 so that um when uh you ask for this frame, in fact we can okay, I just view frame source 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2122.4 2136.19 And every frame is stored into uh a b a backup in fact every frame um it's M. M. M. who manage this automatically,
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2125.4 2127.19 Is is a 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2135.79 2136.33 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2145.46 2148.19 When I view image, when I say view image, 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2153.4 2166.65 up we go there and this is um in fact it's a Perl programme that outputs in fa instead of outputting H. T. M. L. or text, it outputs uh J. PEG. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2149.59 2153.4 when I say view image on this frame,
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2150.48 2152.25 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2152.25 2152.71 Yes. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2155.31 2155.98 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2159.48 2160.06 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2162.13 2162.6 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2167.09 2168.15 Okay, understand. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2172.71 2174.21 This is quite uh nice. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2168.06 2172.71 From the video with a time stamp it outputs a J. PEG. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2170.34 2170.67 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2170.67 2179.94 But on the on the on the server the original is a f video film. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2179.94 2180.39 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2169.67 2170.34 Yes, okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2176.54 2177.29 And 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2180.31 2185.5 And this image is i this image is output uh outputted to the client. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2179.5 2180.31 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2194.69 2195.6 Okay, perfect. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2191.86 2194.69 In the other yeah yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2190.63 2191.86 Okay, understand. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2183.78 2190.63 So for example you can change you can change a number to take which one, okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2188.3 2189.71 That's what I did uh 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2187.02 2188.3 Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2194.88 2195.44 Yeah, I dunno. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2192.57 2194.88 In the other application, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2191.42 2192.57 here. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2197.05 2202.42 And who has a right to put who has a right to put data on the M. M. M. ? 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2197.6 2199.16 Yeah, here. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2197.94 2199.04 In this one, okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2222.91 2228.53 Um oh yeah, and the images are sent to your browser, the client, to this browser 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2216.37 2222.91 Um I wanted to saw to see to do s say something else. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2202.98 2216.37 I f there are, yeah, the M. M. M. developers, so I'm part of that, but uh we could we could uh yeah, it's not a problem. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2228.53 2233.58 but also kept in uh a directory in uh on M. M. M. . 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2207.04 2208.85 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2210.69 2213.19 Yeah, I think it's not well done, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2212.92 2214.01 Okay, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2215.91 2216.33 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2222.94 2223.52 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2224.37 2225.57 But um. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2227.91 2228.19 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2240.66 2241.07 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2232.85 2236.48 Okay, okay, there is li local cache. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2238.21 2240.66 Okay, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2236.48 2238.21 Okay, okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2236.64 2238.31 I say backup, but it's a cache. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2235.35 2236.64 Exactly, a cache. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2239.96 2243.92 Um that's that's how it works. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2243.92 2254.21 So if we for example now we have the c the the case that this video is not correct, because uh I have make uh event grabbing. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2254.21 2259.1 So uh we need to remove the cache for this video or this is automatic? 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2259.89 2262.74 Um for the cache uh 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2258.41 2259.89 No no no, it's okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2267.04 2274.46 We have plenty of space on M. M. M., so the this is not a problem ah, yeah for a new window. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2269.37 2269.69 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2271.3 2281 Yeah, but what I mean is i i i i i if I if I put the same video with the same name instead of this one 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2281 2282.84 they should uh different 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2276.82 2278.07 Yeah, exactly, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2280.05 2281.94 And it detects okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2281.94 2282.76 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2289.21 2296.48 and then there is a special naming convention, and you can remove the but i it's c yeah, it's true. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2282.76 2289.21 So you go inside the get frame function, you see where it i it saves it,
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2287.21 2288.1 Ah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2288.1 2289.28 We need to remove them. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2296.01 2299.42 Yeah, it's not a real uh usi usage. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2299.42 2299.82 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2293.03 2294.23 Okay, understand. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2291.77 2293.03 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2294.23 2296.01 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2298.71 2298.92 No. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2310.58 2313.92 They will uh appear, this frames will appear. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2301.67 2310.58 Because there it's in cache, so that if I put another video with the same name, they th they will happen again. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2303.48 2304.69 Yes, understand. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2302.17 2303.48 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2304.69 2305.1 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2303.46 2303.89 Yes. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2307.65 2308.44 Ah, okay, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2309.56 2310.01 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2312.12 2315.05 Yes, bec because this one i was uh 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2312.54 2313.37 Yeah, if yo 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2323.21 2327.77 so you see it fine, but suddenly you have one other frame, they don't know what it is and where it comes from. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2318.79 2323.21 Yeah, but it may happen that uh for ninety fra ninety percent of the frame it's different,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2317.96 2318.79 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2314.94 2317.96 If you have the same uh decomposition right? 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2316.76 2317.76 Th this one was 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2316.81 2319.67 Yeah, yeah ex if you have the same decomposition, but 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2319.19 2319.57 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2326.52 2328.06 Right, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2329.67 2330.28 It's okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2328.06 2329.67 Okay, but it's okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2328.17 2333.27 But uh yeah, on M. M. M. f now we don't have such many videos, so. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2333.27 2342.94 But if you put yeah, in another directory, uh then it would work or or a new naming convention with uh special uh, yeah, code uh. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2331.92 2332.48 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2332.55 2332.89 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2332.09 2332.55 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2336.87 2337.69 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2341.84 2342.07 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2340.58 2341.84 Hmm. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2348.23 2354.27 So this means that when it's done, if I go on my computer and I do the same, it's not going to enter in my cache,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2359.04 2362.53 So it's th it's so it's not done on it's so it's not done online. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2354.27 2359.04 but it's going to be already there, in M. M. M., okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2347.44 2348.23 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2342.9 2347.44 Oh, you mean bac because it's it's it's the M. M. M. cache? 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2346.71 2348.21 Yeah, M. M. M. cache. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2347.42 2347.61 Mm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2356.06 2356.4 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2356.78 2357.82 On the M. M. M., yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2358.53 2361.16 But it it can go in the browser cache also. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2360.81 2360.96 Mm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2363.48 2364.92 The first time is done online. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2368.17 2369.73 Okay, okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2364.31 2368.17 The first time, yeah, but after it's it take okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2369.73 2372.71 I thought it was everything was generated on the fly th so 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2366.29 2366.71 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2365.42 2366.29 Hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2368.38 2370.37 Uh the first time is done o 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2366.64 2368.38 Yeah, you can see here, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2372.17 2373.42 You know, you see that. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2380.42 2382.41 So it's quite quick. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2373.42 2380.42 Well here it's it was cache, because I already pressed preview, but now it's on the fly. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2376.44 2376.87 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2380.65 2383.46 Oh, it's Greek, but uh okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2379.82 2380.65 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2379.88 2380.34 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2384.82 2385.13 This. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2384.94 2387.55 Okay, so i if you come back now, you 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2399.04 2400.67 So okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2400.67 2411.46 That's why it's yeah, it was uh used with uh yeah, Sebastien uh did the C. function, and uh, yeah,
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2393.73 2399.04 And maybe they are on the cache of this browser, this computer. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2390.02 2393.73 Because the images are already generated. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2411.46 2422.5 and uh the the is calling this uh C. uh executable and it was used with M. M. M. server with Pierre, a and the beginning when, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2387.66 2390.02 And then if you come yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2393.21 2394.06 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2389.25 2390.39 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2390.39 2393.21 Okay, but now you have s you have both cache. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2396.27 2400.48 Yes, computer too, yes to uh but okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2400.48 2401.39 But it's fast. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2410.35 2410.79 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2416.08 2416.98 Yeah, understand. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2421.23 2422.25 Okay, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2422.94 2423.31 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2424.44 2425.41 Okay, so 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2425.87 2426.32 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2440.85 2451.07 Every for example if we make a lot of uh film uh for CINETIS uh all are on the top 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2426.32 2434.19 Uh i ju just uh a question on the the organisation of the M. M. M. . 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2434.19 2440.85 So you don't have uh a part for specific uh project. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2426.53 2427.9 Um yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2450.26 2450.63 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2452.69 2459.17 I mean uh all the film are y you you don't have a separation for the film for CINETIS or for the project and s 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2454.77 2456.35 Oh, the movies or 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2455.46 2456.21 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2478.31 2480.61 Yes, we could do that. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2462.35 2473.71 In fact uh we we we could, you know okay, you know all these graphical user interface that you see uh okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2480.61 2487.64 We could put uh CINETIS slash here, and then a CINETIS slash is the sa yeah, it works. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2476.55 2478.31 Mm yes. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2487.64 2494.21 But the uh th the point is this interface is uh I think six or seven files only,
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2494.21 2498.51 X. M. L. uh well it's per C. G. I., that output, X. M. L. and X. S. L. . 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2473.71 2476.55 In fact okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2463.65 2468.31 Well you say video name equal, all are on the same level. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2471.67 2477.05 So could you say uh video name CINETIS slash something? 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2477.05 2477.51 Or not? 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2478.69 2480.13 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2480.13 2480.59 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2484.92 2486.63 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2486.63 2487.08 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2486.48 2487.81 You think it would work, okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2485.12 2486.48 You th okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2494.1 2495.15 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2499.01 2507.98 So it's it's not a big deal to to to make a new, like a CINETIS browser or, you know, video browser. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2518.08 2527.44 that we need to know where this data is, and we could pr create a M. M. M. data video browser uh CINETIS or something else. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2507.98 2518.08 Yeah, we w we copy all the files and there is uh just one um one parameter, one uh string,
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2527.44 2531.59 Y it's uh ex extensible and uh is 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2500.8 2500.88 Ah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2500.88 2501.8 okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2501.8 2502.3 To make 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2505.83 2509.09 If we need to make some special thing on the browser, it's t 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2504.92 2505.83 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2511.01 2511.42 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2517.31 2517.9 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2525.94 2527.51 Yeah, okay, it's okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2530.35 2531.53 Okay, great. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2547.09 2548.31 Uh which means that 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2534.59 2542.11 Let's assume that we say we don't do any scene thing, then we could remove like for instance the scenes, right? 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2530.71 2534.59 Mm even if you would r change a C. G. I. for instance. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2542.11 2547.09 I was thinking that here it says that you have online video structure correction. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2534.64 2535.01 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2538.9 2539.92 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2539.92 2539.96 Mm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2541.3 2541.67 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2539.41 2541.3 Yeah, exactly, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2541.76 2542.12 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2547.83 2556.83 Yeah, but i it's not uh it was uh, you know, thi this is working, the expand all but uh this is uh 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2551.55 2552.08 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2553.83 2554.13 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2556.96 2558.48 Uh. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2562.42 2563.55 Okay, to do this. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2558.48 2562.42 This is wish wishable uh functions. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2557.66 2558.52 Work in progress. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2562.77 2566.17 On a video annotation, on a video structure co correction. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2586.65 2599.78 uh but still uh i i i there is uh it takes bas more work and but i yeah yeah, I mean it's good good point. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2566.17 2578.41 But i it's not easy on the web with H. H. T. M. L. pages to to do uh such corrections like uh video structure corrections for instance. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2560.42 2562.77 Yeah, to do list or something. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2578.41 2586.65 For that you need it's possible maybe uh on interfaces like Flash or Java,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2566.33 2566.71 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2569.54 2569.84 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2574.46 2574.87 Input. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2577.6 2578 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2577.89 2578.07 No. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2588.84 2589.17 Mm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2587.26 2588.84 Yeah uh. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2589.71 2590.19 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2590.79 2594.33 Yeah, mainly the t webpage or for output. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2592.87 2593.94 No, I was thinking 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2591.98 2592.87 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2596.48 2603.03 No, because I was thinking if it's there, I mean we could use it uh uh we could uh you see but uh yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2599.41 2601.4 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2601.4 2601.89 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2603.6 2607.75 And all these uh file are only uh internal. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2609.65 2613.84 This mean uh if I go t on uh C CINTETIS CINETIS uh 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2616.05 2618.39 Fro from outside we can view them. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2615.35 2616.05 No, no. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2617.19 2619.59 From outside of IDIAP we can access this. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2620.63 2622.94 Yeah, from home I was able to access them. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2623.2 2624.63 With a password or 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2624.76 2625.04 No. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2624.86 2632.27 Well uh you we can make for for instance for T. S. R. T. S. R. uh videos. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2632.27 2641.61 Alessandro uh asked me to do the same thing, and we I put uh we had uh like a password convention. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2641.61 2649.02 So this is possible to make for these videos. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2649.02 2651.19 So it's not uh 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2630.84 2631.24 Mm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2633.15 2633.34 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2635.15 2635.36 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2643.02 2643.45 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2640.57 2643.02 Okay, yes, okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2641.12 2641.45 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2647.41 2654.04 Nobody actually it has been downloaded several times and people there are some lawyers that are putting no. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2651.78 2652.18 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2653.35 2656.72 Well if yeah, it is there is no possible productions for these videos. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2662.65 2672.21 But uh if po yeah, it's demo and uh one can say you have to guess the name to but uh yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2656.72 2662.65 Maybe what I say I'm very tired. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2656.29 2656.92 But yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2656.92 2663.63 Y 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2658.55 2662.86 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2667.1 2667.69 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2670.21 2672.24 Yeah, yes, yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2670.25 2671.92 Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, no no, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2673.44 2673.89 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2674.01 2676.08 But yeah, it's good to 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2673.66 2674.01 No. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2675.28 2680.66 Bu y yeah, a good point uh about password protection issues uh or the privacy issues uh 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2677.18 2677.44 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2678.74 2679.77 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2681.95 2687.06 It might be good indeed if we start d building some experiments like this still to have a password. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2679.03 2681.95 Yeah, if we i yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2687.06 2688 Right, yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2687.01 2688.24 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2688.24 2693.64 Uh ha yeah, all the framework is ready with a T. R. S. T. S. R. videos, so. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2689.98 2690.14 Uh. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2693.06 2694.58 Yeah, yeah, I understand, yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2694.58 2694.89 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2692.66 2693.06 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2702.63 2706.06 Sometimes 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2695.24 2702.63 Usually what we do sometimes uh okay, just to say something about password protections. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2716.72 2718.44 Instead of having um 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2739.08 2740.18 you know, two. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2760 2771.87 We should take care that this directory or in fact this directory is not listable, you know, you cannot list from outside uh with uh F. T. P. or H. T. T. P. . 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2720.93 2739.08 a purely secure directory we p we we put a co code number like uh so that it's quite impossible to guess instead of video m uh name equals kayak then we would have uh zero six seven uh five or,
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2740.18 2750.06 And then this directory from outside we have to take care that okay, not only the video name this U. R. L. is not accessible 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2750.06 2760 but also we should take care that in fact M. M. M. it's in M. M. M. data video browser and this is accessible from outside. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2730.53 2730.94 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2738.85 2740.02 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2738.9 2739.88 Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2769.03 2769.39 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2767.2 2769.03 Right, okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2767.94 2770.48 Yeah, yeah what's, yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2767.64 2767.94 Hmm. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2772.01 2772.09 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2772.8 2773.14 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2798.25 2800.93 if you want want to use the new versions, etcetera 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2792.3 2798.25 yeah, I I I just want would like to stress something, is that um, yeah,
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2784.09 2792.3 I yeah, I don't know if you want to add anything, but I would say that for the C. code uh,
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2773.6 2784.09 Yeah, simple things with privacy issues, but uh i there are some methods and everything is possible to make things private. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2814.05 2814.88 And 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2800.93 2811.72 I think uh we need to go a little bit through the code and I would be happy to to to help to to for instance the classes about video structure,
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2811.72 2814.05 etcetera, to put them yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2779.7 2779.99 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2781.29 2781.69 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2806 2806.26 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2807.84 2808.22 Yes. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2812.47 2813.21 Okay, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2811.48 2812.47 Hmm. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2815.06 2820.73 Yeah, it was done indeed f to be more general than just to do the shot detection,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2820.73 2824.79 so that's why the code is a bit more complex, I think, currently. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2824.79 2827.32 Uh but uh 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2819.14 2819.38 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2821.02 2821.41 Yes. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2823.06 2825.37 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2825.37 2828.18 And the code is based on open C. V. . 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2853.07 2854.98 yeah, Bhattacharya distance, etcetera. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2839.16 2842.71 So it wa from Sebastien it was in the tosh library 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2842.71 2853.07 but uh it's nothing w to do with tosh and it's using uh uh the open C. V. and uh some classes from uh Jean-Marc uh for,
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2838.54 2839.16 you know. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2829.12 2838.54 Yeah, in fact it's not there is no tosh i it was called vision lib to read uh to to extract one frame each frame of a video 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2833.33 2833.5 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2838.62 2839.18 Oh okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2843.27 2843.81 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2844.77 2845.24 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2846.42 2846.87 Just 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2847.44 2847.87 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2851.06 2851.4 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2856.1 2856.48 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2853.77 2856.1 Bhattacharya okay, and so on, okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2855.26 2856.32 Ah okay, yeah yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2856.32 2860.36 Yeah, it was the same the same ones as the one you saw uh in my code, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2856.27 2857.21 Image processing. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2857.98 2859.32 Okay, okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2859.44 2860.53 Image processing and stuff. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2860.45 2871.21 So we can forget tosh and uh use uh input se the input reader for the the M. PEG we can re lo use uh open C. V. . 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2864.05 2865.38 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2865.38 2865.62 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2864.54 2867.4 We can forget tosh yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2869.1 2870.58 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2871.81 2874.14 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2873.26 2873.6 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2874.84 2875.17 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2876.8 2876.97 Hmm. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2877.02 2883.94 Yeah, uh okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2878.56 2886.36 Um so it's four thirty, so we need one hour, it's it's good. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2898.55 2900.88 Video in, okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2903.5 2909.48 Output file dist, it's the distance um between each histogram,
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2889.84 2898.55 This is the parameters of the of the C. programme but uh usage. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2932.56 2941.17 so the uh the the step we always use one and it should be one, because otherwise it's stuck between consecutive frames. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2900.88 2903.5 Uh the output file X. M. L. . 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2886.36 2889.84 Just if you want yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2921.54 2932.56 And also some other stuff s for instance alpha threshold we talked about is set to two point four and uh yeah,
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2909.48 2921.54 so that if the X. M. L. uh you feel there is not enough um uh shots, you can instead of reprocessing the video, you you reprocess this file. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2887.62 2889.25 Yeah, I think it's it's good, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2889.34 2889.67 It's good. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2891.65 2892.05 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2895.12 2895.39 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2899.97 2900.45 Yes. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2902.23 2903.19 Output, hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2909.07 2909.68 Uh yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2920.19 2921.33 Okay, that's good, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2921.55 2922.24 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2924.09 2924.62 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2930.51 2930.65 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2929.25 2930.51 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2932.78 2935.05 Yeah, yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2938.21 2938.76 Ah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2940.2 2940.47 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2943.1 2944.57 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2940.47 2943.1 We can skip some frames. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2944.57 2944.92 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2942.81 2943.18 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2943.15 2953.58 Yeah, but uh it doesn't w yeah, it it's better to to keep it one. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2954.79 2962.75 So detection latency is about the um it's half of the windows tha yeah, sliding window,. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2953.58 2954.79 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2947.21 2947.41 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2952.35 2955.22 you don't know where is the sh uh the d the shot. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2948.36 2952.35 Yeah, but why is after, I mean if there is a shot you don't know between because you dropped one frame 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2953.06 2954.19 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2959.91 2960.62 Sliding window. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2962.68 2963.13 Mm-hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2967.53 2969.76 Uh sub-threshold, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2965.59 2967.53 Option for key frame extraction, okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2969.76 2970.65 Leave it to one, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2969.5 2970.44 Yeah, right. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2970.61 2971.65 Okay, it's perfect. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2969.62 2970.61 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2973.8 2976.86 Uh yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2976.86 2984.67 Maybe, I I will uh I will give you this file in uh as a rhy it's a kind of rhythmia, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2984.67 2989.44 I just for preparing this uh nice discussion. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2974.33 2974.58 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 2985.14 2985.51 Yes. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 2989.77 2989.97 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 2993.92 3002.9 M um I'm quite happy to to to do that i it's good when you do uh something that there is someone using it. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3002.9 3005.88 But uh but 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3001.12 3011.44 I don't know, I'm I'm sure that they will be well I hope they will be a of something like this, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3002.02 3003.8 Yes. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3003.8 3004.23 Yes. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3005.6 3006.07 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3007.51 3008.03 Mm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3027.02 3032.3 Or even it can do it uh it can we can do it quite automatically. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3019.02 3027.02 in thirty t if the video i ten is ten minutes, in thirty minutes 'cause it's no not a lot of things to change. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3032.3 3033.26 It can be done, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3010.74 3019.02 At least, yeah, with the interface it's quite funny to to see um d that the q quickly you can do something in in, yeah,
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3015.21 3015.96 The output. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3022.03 3022.24 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3027.64 3028.56 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3026.94 3027.64 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3023.97 3026.94 Yeah, the the browser. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3039.52 3040.01 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3044.73 3051.95 And uh with the kayak you have one problems, you don't have the Real Media, so this is another thing. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3032.75 3039.52 Uh so just uh last question maybe, uh so this makes a X. M. L. file. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3030.33 3031.68 Yes. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3031.68 3032.75 Yes. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3040.01 3044.73 This is the the programme to to generating the X. M. L. file and the the shot. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3035.41 3035.68 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3040.03 3041.4 This generates yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3042.99 3044.13 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3044.13 3044.36 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3052.42 3053.05 Oh yeah, it 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3052.43 3054.48 Ho how do you generate the Real Media, yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3054.52 3065.06 So the Real Media is uh, yeah, a parallel thing that from the A. V. I. you convert it into Real Media, and it is done on Windows. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3059.36 3059.86 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3062.5 3062.92 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3065.61 3066.2 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3066.21 3066.57 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3067.69 3069.15 Uh 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3071.94 3072.31 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3067.72 3071.94 So you have some special tools from uh from Real Media. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3073 3077.58 Mm there is a a the free one is okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3077.58 3085.45 You can use the free we have a license here at IDIAP, but uh the if you want to pay,
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3085.45 3097.71 you pay for options such as uh resize or cropping, but in fact maybe we don't need that, and uh it's called Elix producer. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3071.48 3073 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3080.61 3080.98 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3083.5 3084.02 Mm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3090.39 3090.97 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3089.39 3090.39 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3093.32 3094.85 Hmm, okay, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3098.52 3099.49 Okay, I heard it. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3103.55 3107.17 Yeah, I forgot yeah, yeah uh, Elix producer and and that's it. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3107.17 3110.06 You can you can i it it i 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3106.89 3107.25 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3108.64 3111.66 But uh anyway you need you need to have Windows to make these. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3112.7 3113.15 Yes. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3113.57 3118.89 So I will ask you or someone else, okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3119.15 3121.1 Uh yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3115.46 3119.15 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3121.04 3122.58 Okay, okay, understand. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3123.6 3126.17 And yeah, with Real Media 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3125.05 3128.99 But this is this is made by a programme done outside IDIAP. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3128.99 3129.34 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3124.36 3125.05 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3130.55 3135.73 Well this is you can buy or you can order for free on internet. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3135.73 3137.78 No, no no no, for the Real Media. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3146.84 3152.78 so it's R. T. S. P. the connection, and i it's streaming video streaming, so it's not H. T. T. P. . 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3158.84 3169.53 because um i it's not supported for instance uh uh in Java, in Java applications uh etcetera. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3137.78 3146.84 And um you didn't see, but the Re the Real Media um is called via a real server,
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3152.78 3158.84 So that it can play uh smoothly and but we are still uh investigating for the video formats,
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3130.92 3134.39 This is yes, right, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3134.39 3136.12 This not uh IDIAP programme. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3136.12 3136.93 Okay, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3146.21 3146.63 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3148.87 3149.12 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3150.44 3151.16 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3154.15 3154.51 Mm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3152.85 3154.15 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3159.31 3159.76 Um. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3164.14 3164.31 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3167.27 3167.41 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3170.16 3170.58 Hmm. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3175.84 3178.3 We cannot play uh Real Media, okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3170.57 3175.84 Oh o o, oh yeah, you mean the Java framework, uh what uh Mike presented. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3171.71 3172.34 Real Media. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3175.63 3177.15 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3177.15 3181.48 Real Media, so there are many issues about that, but yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3178.4 3178.69 Hmm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3181.91 3182.4 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3182.05 3182.43 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3185.81 3186.25 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3183.19 3185.81 It's another problem. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3184.5 3185.94 Formats, formats, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3184.72 3186.81 Mm. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3197.51 3201.87 but shorter I f I believe, right, I mean it's bad to explain. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3201.87 3205.85 And I think maybe later w yeah, we we can start doing simple 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3187.84 3197.51 Okay, so I think this was good to see the the tool and uh tomorrow we are going to re-say most of the things,
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3190.01 3191.64 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3191.64 3192.15 Thank you. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3198.09 3199.66 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3199.66 3200.07 Yes. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3204.97 3212.36 I think for test I can take the real demo and make the the full processing. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3208.02 3209.98 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3209.98 3211.64 Yeah, the full uh 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3213.22 3215.44 Yeah, mi this might be interesting to see tomorrow. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3220.86 3229.12 but uh after I mean at this point we do we have nothing we can do unless they know what they want to do with it, right? 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3215.44 3220.86 Of course maybe there was the ah, one hundred seventy shots, or it's a lot,
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3214 3214.78 So I will 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3219.81 3220.12 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3224.28 3224.64 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3228.76 3228.94 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3230.65 3230.88 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3231.7 3240.58 Yeah, that was a single video structuring, but it's uh other level uh it can uh it's quite uh it's researched, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3239.44 3247.87 but I think I think is it's too it's going very be very to be very good for them to visualise how you can organise things and maybe what they can do 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3239.22 3239.44 Yeah 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3236.9 3239.22 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3247.87 3250.67 how they and so this is important. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3237.79 3238.12 Hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3244.78 3245 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3278.06 3282.22 Uh a sh the shot key frame that is the middle here. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3275.44 3278.06 Shot begin and end. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3250.98 3255.64 Yeah, last thing uh this is a kind of uh X. M. L. that is outputted 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3255.64 3274.14 so so it's uh the structure is such as uh vi video segmentation with uh videos in begin and then for each shot you have an I. D. well this is the terms from M. PEG seven convention 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3282.22 3284.34 Uh sub-shot 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3274.14 3275.44 but anyway. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3259.68 3260.15 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3264.23 3265.23 Mm okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3267.72 3269.12 I have some informations. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3281.22 3282.22 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3282.22 3296.11 And uh in this in this the begin and end the number is the for example the end is zero dot twelve twelve is uh this frame too, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3296.11 3296.49 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3293.55 3294.43 Twelve frames. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3291.84 3293.55 Yeah, you're right. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3305.24 3308.72 And there is only one sub-shot because uh w yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3297.14 3305.24 And in fact that's what I output in uh on the yeah, I think y on the interface. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3299.89 3301.09 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3301.09 3301.42 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3303.94 3304.54 Mm-hmm, yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3305.23 3305.72 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3310.18 3310.5 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3311.19 3312.46 Yeah, initially yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3315.12 3317.51 But uh yeah well. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3319.92 3327.2 I tried to code some stuff uh it but uh I'm not so confident in the way uh it is uh coded. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3317.51 3319.92 Yeah, I tr well uh not with this one, but yeah 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3311.35 3315.12 There was there was problems with detecting the sub-shots, etcetera. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3315.09 3316.02 What what 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3315.1 3318.45 Well, we didn't because you tried to do something 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3337.44 3343.47 But it's true that maybe I if you store all the distance at that the distances we could do some basic stuff. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3330.06 3337.44 usually it it for instance is better to have the whole shot to decide on how to build the sub-shots. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3327.88 3330.06 Yeah, like for instance if we need to find sub-shots 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3326.38 3327.88 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3336.17 3336.65 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3341.03 3341.46 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3367 3370.57 And I think i there are many possible things with uh spectral clustering,
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3343.85 3352.84 But we yeah, even we should uh for instance for the videos uh for the spectral clustering, for the clustering. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3352.84 3364.58 Here uh I store the consecutive the distance between consecutive histograms, but we could uh store the matrix that's yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3364.58 3367 And then uh yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3370.57 3378.52 but but the uh with um there is one parameter that is very c wha I can't remember, what is the parameter uh 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3344.17 3344.59 Okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3361.46 3362.21 Yeah yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3364.26 3365.12 That's the thing, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3362.21 3362.81 Yeah yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3362.81 3364.26 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3360.02 3361.46 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3366.69 3366.95 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3365.01 3366.69 Uh. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3368.39 3368.79 Mm. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3370.1 3371.79 Just what what 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3377.95 3382.11 Ah, th the gap you mean or no? 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3382.11 3384.56 Oh no, you mean in the Bhattacharya distance. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3381.42 3381.67 Yeah. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3383.93 3391.86 No no no no, the in the the gap to find the the good number of clusters is so sensitive uh 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3387.93 3388.51 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3388.51 3388.82 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3387.21 3387.93 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3390.18 3391.27 Yeah. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3391.27 3391.46 Yeah. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3393.16 3393.54 Hmm. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3395.04 3397.51 It's it's a bit later in the in the report. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3393.51 3395.04 Yeah, anyway. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3400.2 3400.61 Okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3405.38 3409.95 So anytimes, yeah, I would be happy to to to help you with that. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3410.33 3410.94 Okay. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3407.98 3410.33 Yeah, okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3413.87 3414.03 So. 
IN1001 H02 MIO066 3414.68 3415.12 It's okay. 
IN1001 H00 MIO024 3415.36 3415.81 It's okay. 
IN1001 H01 MIO016 3441.93 3442.98 Yeah, yeah, you can we can go. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 36.42 39.9 A lapel is also there. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 38.72 38.9 No. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 41.97 42.44 Okay. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 42.57 43.08 Okay. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 44.43 48.08 Okay, so should I start? 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 49.07 49.44 Yep. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 49.23 49.53 Yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 49.61 49.88 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 49.9 50.51 Okay. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 50.51 66.78 So I think it's better to first have a presentation of my work and then we can discuss uh with this crash in temp in temp uh what we can do uh for my future to to continue my research,
IN1002 H01 MIO076 66.78 70.86 because apparently I I will have serious problems, okay. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 70.86 74.25 So I will start with the presentation of my work. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 74.91 77.81 Uh you can be sitting here itself and do the presentation. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 75 77.03 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 76.61 77.2 Mm. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 78.52 79.2 Okay. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 79.2 82.12 I start like this then. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 93.73 115.94 getting new posteriors which are havi which are more informative by somehow integrating some extra knowledge like uh prior knowledge and contextual information related to the problem and then use this posterior estimation uh uh method uh for designing hierarchical uh speech recognition system. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 82.12 93.73 Okay, so it's uh my g work is generally about uh using posteriors in uh speech recognition systems and uh somehow enhancing the estimation of posteriors 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 115.94 125.63 So in this hierarchical arg architecture I will be able to uh integrate the extra knowledge at the proper level of hierarchy 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 125.63 135.59 and I will be al also uh able to uh combine different kind of uh knowledge or sources uh sources of knowledge I have. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 79.69 80.7 Yeah, that's better. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 154.52 160.9 which are then processed by an M. L. P. and it gives us some evidence as in the form of pos phone posteriors. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 147.82 154.52 so uh time limited window of a speech signal is uh represented by some cepstral features 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 136.44 147.82 Uh well as you know uh generally posteriors are estimated using uh neural networks and more specifically M. L. P. s in a speech recognition system 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 176.23 187.78 Uh but we know that uh in this uh in this case we are not able to integrate contextual information uh uh line contextual information 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 161.19 176.23 Then we use these phone posteriors as features or as scores for for either just decoding or d uh uh n d training and inference training and then decoding. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 187.78 193.37 and we are not able to integrate the prior knowledge we can have about phone use or about 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 193.73 205.24 uh words in the posterior estimation, so the main motivation is to see if we can integrate this kind of extra knowledge in the posterior estimation. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 205.24 215.4 So what is proposed to solve this problem is to use a uh what we formally use in H. M. M. formalism, which is called gamma uh state posterior. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 215.78 227.64 Uh i uh as a posterior for uh training uh or decoding, so it's uh well as you know it's a state posterior probablility in a H. M. M. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 227.64 236.2 which is defined as the probability of being in a specific H. M. M. state at a specific time, having the whole observation sequence and the model. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 236.2 248.47 So whole observation sequence means having complete contextual information and the mod uh and the model can encode some kind of prior knowledge for us by means of uh topological constraints. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 250.27 260.04 Uh well you know it's uh this gam uh gamma posterior is written in terms of forward and backward H. M. M. recursions 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 270.26 273.83 So in this case it will be uh similar to hybrid method. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 260.04 270.26 and actually one way to use this uh gamma posteriors is uh using these posteriors as some kind of newer scores for decoding. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 293.52 297.81 we get better evidences than what i we initially had here 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 274.27 283.49 Um the the difference is that we do one more step, uh maybe I can explain it better there. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 297.81 307.44 and then we do the uh decoding and the and s more informative posteriors uh uh instead of this one. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 283.49 293.52 So we do one more step here, and we uh here by means of another H. M. M. we introduce some kind of uh prior knowledge and contextual information 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 315.29 326.56 Here you see uh some results uh and how uh how what is the effect of introducing uh reasonable prior knowledge,
IN1002 H01 MIO076 326.56 338.06 so different uh rows in this table are showing different level of noise and also clean speech, and different columns are showing different kind of posteriors or gamma posteriors. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 307.95 315.29 So we are expecting to uh the system to perform better and more robust to noisy cases. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 338.52 344.72 So uh the the first column is showing the uh our baseline system 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 352.24 357.07 And the other columns are showing the performance of uh different kind of gamma,
IN1002 H01 MIO076 344.72 352.24 which is getting estimate of posteriors out of M. L. P. uh and then d using these posteriors for decoding. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 357.07 365.33 so uh gamma which is estimated using uh information about minimum duration of phonemes, about 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 384.76 396.78 So as you see, introducing more reasonable prior knowledge um will h help to have better performance in almo in almost all the cases. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 365.76 384.76 possible transition between phonemes and some kind some uh more prior knowledge like uh which wo like uh which word is composed of which phonemes and uh g uh gram grammatical knowledge ab uh about transition between words and things like this. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 411.89 418.15 and the difference is that our system use uh is using posteriors for decoding 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 397.1 404.15 And here I compare the performance of the gamma base system with the standard H. M. M. G. M. M. system 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 418.15 424.02 so as you see s uh it's working uh better than the standard H. M. M. G. M. M. system. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 404.15 411.89 which is based on uh doing decoding uh using uh likelihood as the scores 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 451.18 453.24 more efficient and more robust system. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 424.46 436.36 And finally the conclusion is uh he here we saw how we can get uh some more informative posteriors by introducing extra knowledge like prior and contextual information 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 436.36 451.18 and then using this uh uh p posterior estimation method to design hierarchical uh speech recognition system which we're which which the goal is to have a better 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 453.96 461.29 So if you want now we can discuss about um uh the crash and the loss of data 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 461.29 471.49 so uh well I lost all the posteriors I was I uh I used as input uh for my system 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 477.17 486.06 And now I don't have any posterior and uh probably the scripts generating that posterior, so what I can do okay. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 471.49 477.17 so the gamma are somehow estimated or computed on top of posteriors. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 486.73 492.06 Uh you go to the table, you have there like the big table, you told and then we can discuss. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 490.11 490.45 Okay. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 494.24 494.43 Okay. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 497.08 499.16 Especially gamma full models I have. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 494.48 497.08 So which I think I have all the gammas, no? 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 507.36 515.81 I cannot uh stop my resea I I may do something else, you know, in future with this uh and well I need posteriors to 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 500.66 507.36 Gamma full model, but uh what about other ones and what about the f posterior, because because I I uh you know,
IN1002 H03 MIO078 504.96 506.04 Yeah, posteriors 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 515.37 521.1 Now you need the different method from how from gammas you can generate the posteriors. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 518.11 522.71 Yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 521.78 525.33 Even you have those three state perform gammas also, you have all these 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 519.59 521.78 And posteriors. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 525.61 529.41 Uh no no, I don't have them there were all under temp. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 529.41 532.39 You you we have that because you uh stored them. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 529.62 529.91 Huh. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 532.05 532.69 Ah okay. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 532.71 533.17 Okay. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 532.95 533.23 So. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 533.85 537.23 So now yeah, now you can write another paper if you can 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 535.04 539.22 Yeah, you can go back up to the feature, you know. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 539.22 539.89 Up to 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 538.32 539.09 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 537.39 538.32 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 539.09 549.14 Maybe maybe some other m uh P. H. D. student should be hired to work on, you know, the generating gamma. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 542.85 543.13 Mm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 544.65 547.12 Gammas to posterior. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 547.61 553.94 Uh I was just um let's talk about little about this presentation itself, the slide number six. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 558 559.16 Six, okay. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 564.33 565.6 How important it could be? 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 565.6 568.29 Is it not a possibility that you're having less context? 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 559.11 564.33 Okay, how you feel it is important that you're taking the context of the whole utterance? 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 569.77 571.58 Less context, what you mean? 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 579.13 584.17 So what is a possibility that you can cut the context instead of having the context from 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 571.02 579.13 instead of having context from one to capital D., which is for the whole utterance, which doesn't make much sense in general. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 574.98 575.74 Uh 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 577.58 579.29 Yes. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 579.29 579.57 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 584.02 586.49 You mean a smaller context instead of this. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 585.53 586.07 That's right. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 591.02 594.72 Because it's it's a fact that when you are having one utterance,
IN1002 H00 MIO022 594.72 599.9 so it one utterances link up full sentence or something, and there might not be much breaks in it. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 587.38 591.02 Might be left or right, everything there, but not the whole context. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 599.9 605.88 So in that sense it doesn't make sense that you are going too much in the past and then you are trying to compute something which is not related. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 594.25 594.59 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 597.41 597.62 Mm. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 599.91 600.41 Yes. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 599.35 599.91 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 603.63 604.08 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 621.75 623.78 How much context should I take? 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 606.1 614.11 Yeah, b well, even they can have some information which are not so meaningful or uh which are not related. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 614.11 621.75 Yeah well, but then I will have the problem to find the optimum amount of context. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 620.9 621.22 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 624.12 629.09 Kind of let's say idea is usually hundred milliseconds or one second. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 624.16 625.37 I two hundred. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 627.59 628.48 Two hundred millisecond. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 629.24 629.66 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 635.69 636.33 one two. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 630.49 635.69 So but for numbers I think it may be okay, numbers hardly yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 633.66 638 Yeah, numbers it might be okay, because most of the sentences might be three seconds or something. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 642.72 648.39 like if it's really long sentence of ten seconds or something, you may not really need so much con 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 637.8 639.05 Even less than that, yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 639.05 642.72 Just few words, like so but if for or something,
IN1002 H01 MIO076 638.64 638.82 Mm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 640.05 640.21 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 641.15 641.48 Okay. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 647.86 651.16 That m that match of context to computer commas. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 651.16 654.64 I know, it's really computationally very intensive also, like if you use 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 653.92 654.27 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 655.62 657.06 Yeah, that's a good idea. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 657.06 657.94 That's reasonable. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 655.02 655.62 Okay. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 670.23 673.1 I cannot generate posteriors. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 660.14 669.32 Okay, so when we are talking about them, then my story they are the worst I think. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 673.1 673.82 So there is 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 669.32 670.23 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 660.49 660.75 Mm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 665.42 669.63 So pretty much all the posteriors are from you only. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 669.98 670.21 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 672.37 673 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 673 676.07 And and you don't have uh scripts for 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 676.13 678.53 I don't have the C. files also presently with me. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 676.21 676.59 Sk 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 686.66 696.94 And what could happen if you don't even have your? 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 677.87 686.66 Ah, okay, you do you have just your, no? 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 678.63 679.08 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 683.02 684.34 No,. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 680.9 683.02 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 684.34 686.46 My said that enough is enough. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 689.69 695.43 Oh, you know. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 697.25 702.55 Yeah, it was it was pretty scary, but let's see what happens. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 690.1 697.25 Yeah, and then I then I would have taken two years extension. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 693.73 694.03 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 700.09 700.42 Mm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 702.46 710.36 But al for your case you don't need really complicated posterior, you just need some P. L. P. s and then. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 710.26 710.59 Yes. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 710.32 719.07 Yeah, you can then you know, because if most did it on, what, numbers and one of couple of C. T. F. experiments, right? 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 719.32 725.97 N yeah, I uh for C. T. S. Petr uh still I think have he didn't uh lose anything, so. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 725.63 730.33 No, but but ma he's he may be linking to Matthew I guess, because Matthew got the wav files. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 728.99 730.83 No no no, no no, I uh probably might 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 732.36 734.1 But you got the all the wav files, so. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 733.48 734.04 Uh. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 736.84 742.22 So so the only thing is that I can recover it back from Berkeley 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 734.04 736.84 Yeah, but the wave file is th that's in the temp only, right? 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 737.12 738.71 Yeah, so that's what I'm saying, like 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 742.5 742.84 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 742.84 747.91 So if he got features then it's okay, otherwise if he has to generate again, he can't generate. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 740.73 742.5 Uh yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 741.45 742.76 ICSI, mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 753.21 757.46 He doesn't have the files, the real the real s ones. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 747.42 750.95 Because even um Petr has lost a lot. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 750.95 753.21 He's having only the results with him. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 750.58 750.84 Yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 752.8 753.33 So 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 753.51 753.84 Ah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 755.67 756.54 Because 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 766.3 766.97 But uh 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 763.55 766.3 I can put all the system back here. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 756.35 763.55 No, everything we w if th if they say that we cannot recover it, then I can quickly get it back from ICSI in a couple of days. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 765.03 765.37 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 765.17 765.89 Okay. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 765.48 765.78 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 767.09 773.65 But the p everybody has features in temp, only most of the time all the C. T. S. features or C. T. S. wav files, so. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 773.65 777 So forget about C. T. S., at least now I think because it's again 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 770.48 770.72 Yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 772.87 773.18 Mm yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 776.08 778.36 Yeah, because even to download that much of data 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 776.28 776.53 Mm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 778.41 780.01 It takes at least one or two weeks. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 782.77 788.47 The only thing is that I have to do is that they have uh data in uh one particular structure,
IN1002 H02 MIO050 788.47 793.69 so I have to first of all, you know, organise create tar files, and then I can get it back here. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 778.56 782.77 Yeah, a lot of time no, it I can dow obviously downloading is another thing. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 782.97 785.13 But segmentation. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 788.24 788.59 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 792.02 792.29 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 793.41 794.23 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 794.06 797.14 But you say do you need to do some segmentation also, on top of that, so. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 797.47 800.11 And then you have to get the L. P. P. L. P. features and 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 801.97 804.9 All th all those m yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 800.21 801.97 Yeah, that I can get all those things. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 804.9 811.93 Yeah, but the those files can be recovered easily, only thing is that uh now if they had to say that we cannot recover it. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 805.44 806.85 So there should not be any break. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 801.5 801.89 Okay. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 801.89 805.44 Because tho those files are also very big, they are not single files. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 805.33 806.09 They're 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 812.25 815.47 Yeah, the we can wait at least one or two weeks for this, because it's 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 819.51 824.47 If they cannot recover it, then I can just get all the data from ICSI and put back the C. T. S. system. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 813.74 819.51 Uh uh one uh one uh day one o one, two days, like this week I can wait and see. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 815.11 815.35 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 828.42 835.69 So maybe we can concentrate work especially on numbers now and then we can go to C. T. S. . 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 823.94 828.42 But still, I think we can't really do these things before ICAS because yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 835.69 837.86 So in numbers case, what do you really need like? 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 827.37 828.26 No, we cannot do. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 832.95 833.28 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 835.05 835.37 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 835.08 835.46 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 838.58 848.34 Mm just uh po uh pi uh posterior estimated using P. L. P. features for number, which I think we can we can rate it. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 845.05 846.34 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 846.09 851.72 Yeah, basically yeah, w we need to generate again P. L. P. s, but wave files are there. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 848.56 848.97 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 850.57 850.86 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 851.77 855.68 Yeah, P. L. P. numbers ninety five database is there, fine. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 857.34 857.7 Okay. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 854.81 857.34 Uh P. L. P., they're also last. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 856.96 857.9 Yeah, P. L. P. s 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 857.25 857.63 Yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 857.99 860.82 Everything that. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 869.51 871.23 that information is also not there. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 860.88 869.51 And uh if if you really ask me even the structure which was there real every point by point how P. L. P. is well generated 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 859.25 860.88 Everything is lost. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 865.25 865.62 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 874.83 875.45 Um 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 871.22 874.83 But you're generating P. L. P. s from? 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 873.78 876.48 Yeah, but the parameters which are exact 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 876.68 878.09 Mm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 878.09 878.74 But at least you f 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 877.26 877.74 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 878.3 881.93 Hopefully ninety five percent, I know, but that five percent 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 880.57 880.86 Yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 882.32 883.45 Yeah, that you can del 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 883.36 890.75 And then we we need to train the new rates because M. L. P. training needs to be done, and then only the next step will happen. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 886.8 887.47 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 891.48 891.89 Okay. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 892.21 896.23 So it's it's pretty pretty hol holding is stupid. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 896.23 901.65 Whether we can replicate the results, whatever results you are showing, whether we can replicate them or not. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 901.65 903.26 Presently it's it's not known. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 908.44 913.66 So so P. L. P. s or these are all thirteen just only P. L. P. s, not deltas and del 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 903.93 908.44 But at least, yeah, you have something to verify their wa. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 904.24 904.47 Yes. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 907.08 908.48 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 908.48 908.91 You 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 921.74 928.57 the the configuration should not well I also saved the configuration somewhere in the temp 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 935.5 942.35 I I think I can remember almost all of them, but f it's it's a bit uh uh stressful. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 928.57 935.5 so exactly how many stays for decoding and which kind of language model and things like this. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 915.24 921.74 There is another problem for uh verifying these results, because well for these results, you know 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 913.66 915.24 Uh nowadays not that one. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 928.53 928.94 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 933.93 934.6 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 932.56 933.93 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 938.11 938.36 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 939.7 940.18 Yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 946.35 954.29 like we have then you know like it's only for only close uh D. C. L., K. C. L. they have. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 941.68 946.35 But if you got something from Hemant or Matthew then I have those number of stage,
IN1002 H01 MIO076 944.68 946.53 Yeah, but h he doesn't. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 952.93 953.62 One one. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 958.04 960.8 Do you use our setup for the number of states? 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 953.34 956.24 No no no no, he is using different setup I think. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 962.63 964.84 Okay, mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 964.84 965.37 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 956.24 958.04 He doesn't use our setup. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 965.37 968.41 No no, those things I'm also having, because they were done two years back. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 960.8 962.63 For the gamma estimation? 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 955.93 957.49 No, he he got from you only. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 960.26 962.37 Uh y m yes. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 962.3 966.86 I think so, yeah, so then I have those number of stages. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 966.86 967.1 Yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 961.04 962.3 Ah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 969.86 970.55 So 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 968.49 969.86 Ah, okay. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 969.74 972.71 Anything which is done in the last two years is the one which is 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 971.71 974.04 Lost. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 973.56 974.74 Ah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 974.74 978.91 So you didn't have any P. for these P. L. P. s, no P. L. P. s or P. files from P. L. P. . 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 978.73 979.05 Nothing. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 994.05 995.55 Ah ok see 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 981.21 989.48 So bu what about this noise levels, like we have noise wav files in da da COM databases. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 989.48 994.05 So we have directly f wave files with uh particular noise. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 986.55 989.15 The there's also in com, com database, yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 989.45 989.67 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 993.18 993.91 Yeah, that's right. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 995 996.63 No, th those things are not disturbed. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 995.02 999.55 No, no, but they're they're they're down in the database section. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 999.01 1001.68 Nothing related to the database has been disturbed. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1002.26 1004.12 No, but but I think uh de 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1003.29 1004.15 Except the switchboard. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1005.08 1010.2 Yeah, except switchboard but the switchboard also we have it, but only thing is that we don't have all the data we need, yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1006.72 1007.28 But 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1011.27 1015.69 But the problem is like all this I think it may not be there in database, I guess. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1010.54 1011.27 Hmm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1017.05 1018.33 Because it was that now 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1015.62 1017.05 No no, it is dead. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1015.95 1016.53 No, they're there. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1018.57 1020.78 You called the noise X. database. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1016.93 1018.57 Oh, okay. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1019.45 1022.6 No no, it was it was pre-written there. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1022.6 1023.79 It's in the database itself. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1020.02 1023.29 No no, it w o ori originally done. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1022.37 1022.9 Ah, okay. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1028.01 1028.36 Ah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1025.7 1028.01 Ah, okay, then it's okay. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1023.89 1025.7 Even with uh S. and R. s. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1025.2 1026.09 That's right, yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1025.64 1029.36 No no, it is even in D. V. D. form we have it, that the 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1028.08 1029.8 Yeah, so it that is not a problem. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1029.91 1033.3 So y you it's not that you all the no. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1033.3 1035.42 Yeah with S. and R., different S. and R. s. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1034.58 1036.41 No, no, no. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1032.1 1034.58 No, I didn't do it myself. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1036.41 1039.56 Means at l yeah, that part is less uh scary. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1039.19 1045.43 Yeah, so at least we have wave files, so now we can generate anything in the P. L. P. s or so at least 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1042.67 1043 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1045.69 1051.19 So the things which are related to your P. L. P. can be done I think, it's it's not such a major problem. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1049.66 1049.96 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1049.81 1050.22 Okay. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1051.53 1061.64 Yeah, so so as the conclusion there is no major problem except regenera yeah, which time for, I guess. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1061.64 1061.75 Mm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1059.93 1062.36 How much time we want to spend again to get 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1056.28 1059.93 No, except uh except time. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1059.39 1064.44 So you tha M. L. P. needs to be trained and uh P. L. P. features,
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1064.44 1069.79 so it's kind of one and a half days work, kind of, to generate the new files. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1059.65 1060.66 Those 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1063.47 1063.78 Mm. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1067.45 1067.81 Mm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1069.71 1072.78 But for all these S. and R. s, so that's also again 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1070.18 1070.25 Mm. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1072.33 1072.77 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1075.35 1078.56 But all all of it is doable in three, four days time. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1072.43 1075.35 Yeah, that will aga means it'll light up, that's it. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1074.59 1074.92 Hmm. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1075.1 1075.33 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1078.65 1078.83 Mm. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1102.99 1103.08 Okay. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1080.34 1088.35 Well, I also had the of generated posteriors or gammas or things like this, which I should regenerate,
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1101.02 1102.99 Deadline of two weeks for ICAS. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1097.34 1101.02 So there is no major problem except time. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1088.35 1097.34 I have the uh scripts but uh well it takes time, it's C. P. U. and regenerating all these things, but okay, it's okay. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1086.74 1087 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1090.36 1090.67 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1092.33 1092.6 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1103.4 1105.14 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1112.3 1120.17 But if I need to generate new results, then and anyway, there is emotional loss, so scripts and code everything written that is 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1105.14 1112.3 And if I don't have to generate any new results, I'm also on the other side then. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1105.42 1106.24 Yeah, it's 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1118.83 1125.49 No, the thing is like you can't really write this k I suppose uh the code is the real problem, scripts is okay like, yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1125.49 1133.29 Even scripts also the configurations or you do if you forget something, some factor or something, it's really 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1121.53 1121.83 No. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1125.5 1126.5 Because it's 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1123.26 1125.5 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1129.34 1129.55 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1128.24 1129.34 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1133.31 1137.25 Means losses are emotional as well as whatever it is there. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1132.29 1133.31 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1137.25 1140.55 and bla bla, but it's tragedy. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1137.28 1137.44 Hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1142.75 1143 So. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1144.96 1146.93 So RAID five you have told to the 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1164.17 1166.93 Um but uh if the three disk are gone it's very difficult. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1147.83 1151.67 They are they're it's it's it looks like if you get three disk gone 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1146.27 1147.33 Mm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1162.06 1164.17 so it will recache on the mirror. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1151.67 1162.06 then it's very difficult to get it well like fine if it's one disk it's fine because at least one is having the uh mirror mirror 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1147.33 1147.83 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1153.48 1153.81 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1153.58 1154.05 Which disk? 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1157.28 1158.02 Uh three disk. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1159.74 1161.14 No, one disk there is no problem. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1167.51 1167.84 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1179.92 1184.8 Mayb yeah, otherwise it uh it'll go on destroying other disks. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1168.53 1179.92 So I don't know how it went, like usually while as soon as one disk fails, it should be replaced actually and uh I dunno. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1184.8 1193.13 So i so the one so they I don't know how it happen, you know, such a thing like usually as soon as one fails,
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1193.13 1198.89 it actually notifies the, you know, the system administrator or makes certain kind of um noise. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1178.38 1179.98 So it should be replaced by 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1183.82 1184.48 Ah, ok 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1196.58 1196.96 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1199.5 1201.35 Yeah, 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1220.49 1230.3 Uh so so it's like, you know, if you have a mm mm uh um if you have 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1200.27 1204.84 Uh yeah, to to make sure that, you know, it has to be replaced. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1204.84 1210.42 So w uh if it the disk is not replaced, then it w it'll fail. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1216.33 1220.49 It's it it can internally it can quickly recover everything into that disk. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1210.42 1216.33 It uh then then it uh there's a internal recovery if it just r replace the disk there. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1208.31 1208.73 Hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1210.4 1211.32 It will ri 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1217.25 1217.73 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1215.71 1217.25 Mm-hmm, okay. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1219.18 1220.49 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1249.17 1253.32 Inter internally it can do that kind of thing, but if the th if the three disks fail,
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1273.66 1280.45 Uh th simple, yes, the simple thing might cost you minimum ten thousand Euros, fifteen, something like that. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1253.32 1259.2 then it's it's it's yeah, a really difficult job, I don't know how it can be recovered. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1266.21 1270.98 and they do like sector by sector, block by block they try to recover. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1270.98 1273.66 But that's it's very expensive. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1230.74 1236.42 It's kind of like essentially if it is like hundred twenty, hundred hundred G. B. data space 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1259.2 1266.21 Probably the mm one way that they extend the har the hard disk to the people who are experts,
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1241.71 1249.17 But then it can we as soon as they replace one of those hard disk i it can it can from the other one it can recover everything on that. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1236.42 1241.71 then it essentially will have a hun two hundred G. B. only stu visible data f to you. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1248.36 1249.92 Uh it will have measures like 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1251.83 1252.21 Mm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1254.73 1255.03 Uh. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1270.57 1270.85 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1273.41 1275 Hmm, but like this. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1280.83 1283.69 But even this maybe really huge data also. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1283.05 1284.42 Was it insured, any idea? 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1284.82 1287.44 I don't know whether it was insured. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1287.44 1291.17 I don't think insurance company will give 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1290.59 1296.55 No no, insurance can take care of uh means anything can be insured in this world nowadays. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1292.68 1294.04 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1297.22 1305.59 I think maybe some companies definitely do insure you can't really have so many backups 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1303.29 1303.63 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1305.78 1312.07 But it still means one thing which is a mystery to me whe why temp one and temp two were residing on the same hard disk physical. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1311.23 1323.21 No, it does, because it was not temp one temp two, but they have the same mm it has three G. B. three disks, hard disk category. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1323.21 1328.62 And so you can go up to fourteen or something like that, but it can be on the same yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1321.82 1322.57 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1322.57 1322.82 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1325.59 1326.34 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1328.34 1329.17 Yeah, so it means 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1329.56 1331.46 Which just partition these uh. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1344.85 1352.47 So it puts everything mm quickly, it can decide wherever it wants to put, so it's faster to do that way. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1342.08 1344.85 keep taking up the backup there. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1352.47 1352.69 Mm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1330.75 1342.08 But so it tries to put if you it tries to uh quickly put things uh if this way that so that and but only thing that only one has the mm um backup 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1330.88 1331.5 So that 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1341.74 1342.01 Hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1343.36 1343.64 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1351.76 1356.91 No no no, what I'm saying means temp one and temp two could have been different systems altogether. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1356.55 1359.42 No, I think that uh soft name they were given the 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1359.78 1361.9 I'm saying they could have kept differently. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1361.96 1363.06 Yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1363.06 1364.62 But then what are the use of raid then? 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1363.39 1363.76 But 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1365.24 1367.4 No RAID on both they systems was the problem. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1365.59 1366.12 Yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1367.91 1371.35 No, but that is what the raid can allow you to have keep up to fourteen hard disk. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1372.94 1373.87 It can allow. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1373.18 1375.27 Hard disk, there there were already five hard disks, right? 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1398.76 1402.8 Otherwise unsaved data will start the first thing is to get lo lost. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1381.3 1387.85 And it can still work, and it takes the and the way it look like it it's still tolerant, you know. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1375.41 1381.3 Yeah, so it they have five, and you can go up to fourteen if you want to keep there. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1387.85 1398.76 The way it it usually it does it if you one this crashes before uh i uh um if it uh replace quickly, then no problems. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1377.12 1377.38 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1380.81 1381.1 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1388.79 1390.25 But uh we we 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1404.52 1404.92 Hmm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1404.71 1405.46 Mm that's the thing. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1408.65 1411.09 Yeah, not everybody is going to be scared of temps. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1412.86 1413.26 I um 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1413.18 1414.09 Yeah, no temp. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1414.37 1414.64 Hmm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1415.74 1420.43 Temp is no well, it's a I think they can they can they can do,
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1420.43 1426.39 because th th some some of these people that expert there are couple of experts, so they learned itself. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1426.39 1426.89 So. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1419.28 1420.3 Uh so then then 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1425.8 1426.09 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1427.93 1428.19 Hmm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1428.27 1431.01 If they can easily recover it, well 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1432.4 1432.76 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1432.41 1435.49 To do this kind of thing, you know. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1435.23 1437.61 But is it really costly, the system is 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1447.6 1460.77 they will just i it the system the the whole thing starts like this that you have to give your credit card number and sign a form and then only they will start touching your hard disk. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1438.94 1445.26 You know, sometimes the small hardware thing, they might do it to then, you know, five thousand Euros and all. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1437.62 1438.94 Yeah, it depends on the job. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1445.26 1447.6 But if it's very much detailed work 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1463.74 1468.33 You d you send the things to them, they will see if they can recover. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1459.93 1460.92 No no no no no. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1471 1474.53 But if there is no no if they cannot recover they they will send it back. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1460.92 1461.41 No no no. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1468.33 1471 Then only they'll ask you that this is the quotation. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1461.41 1463.74 I checked over the net, it's not the way. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1460.11 1460.29 Hmm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1465.47 1465.76 Yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1469.63 1471.65 No no, bu no, th they will 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1474.23 1480.59 No no, that's what they say, like you do it, then send it the hard disk, then they will say okay, we can do it 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1485.68 1486.14 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1480.59 1485.68 and then if you do it with only with only yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1478.08 1478.32 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1483.64 1485.92 The they won't go we ho without that. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1481.62 1483.64 No no no, first they'll give you a quotation. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1485.92 1488.05 It's not means it's a wrong information. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1488.16 1488.38 Yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1488.23 1490.71 Maybe at least they will give some number others, like they can. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1495.6 1501.96 If it is recoverable, we will tell you what is the quotation, and if it is not recoverable, we will send it back to you. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1490.23 1495.6 Yeah yeah, because in the beginning what they say that send us the thing, we'll look at the things. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1490.84 1491.06 Yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1493.86 1494.1 Yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1497.37 1499.51 Then what did they estimate of that? 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1502.93 1503.32 Hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1503.42 1511.5 But means f and uh i if they they cannot recover it, then then what they will they won't charge anything from you for the inspection. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1510.49 1510.67 Yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1513.06 1514.18 I think that is yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1513.35 1513.64 Yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1515.59 1519.88 Yeah, at least they they will know m beforehand I think uh. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1515.69 1516.11 But 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1517.63 1518.04 That's right. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1520.83 1524.21 Means looking at uh how much failure has happened. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1519.71 1520.83 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1524.21 1526.67 Accordingly they will tell you whether they can recover or not. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1520.02 1522.05 No, it it is up to, you know 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1524.06 1524.61 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1530.46 1537.15 they can go block by block and look into it and try to recover, but um that Matthew will want to go or not is the question. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1527.55 1530.46 And in fact if they they can go a lot, but you know,
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1537.29 1544.06 Mm but even like how much important data l sometimes it's just M. P. threes or something, so you don't really need to 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1539.68 1539.91 Yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1539.86 1540.13 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1542.01 1543.18 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1543.18 1543.4 Yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1544.58 1547.25 And it's like forty tera. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1547.25 1550.62 Four tera that's forty tera. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1546.35 1547.21 Fo four tera, no? 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1548.34 1549.55 Four tera, it's like 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1551.26 1551.62 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1551.76 1554.44 So how much is four tera, four thousand gigabytes? 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1554.5 1555.57 Yeah, four thousand gigabytes. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1554.89 1555.13 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1555.65 1556.01 Okay. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1556.73 1557.95 Four thousand G. B. s. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1557.56 1558.28 Not much. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1559.79 1560.39 Yeah, it 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1559.8 1561.44 Yeah, that's a that's a big 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1563.05 1566.38 but now we got something like uh more than fift 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1565.54 1568.45 Is it raid one has more compared to RAID five? 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1568.8 1571.26 Mm um 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1569.3 1570.67 No, RAID five is better, I think. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1570.67 1571.52 It l it levels. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1571.01 1575.63 No, RAID one is having exactly f fifty percent capacity is utilised. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1575.63 1576.35 It's copy. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1575.69 1577.74 Uh ah, okay. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1578.08 1581.79 Two copies of the same thing will be existing. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1581.79 1582.47 That is a RAID one. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1581.21 1581.59 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1587.05 1588.44 It's not the other way. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1586.07 1587.05 Ah,. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1588.44 1589.55 Hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1582.9 1586.07 But RAID five is then then twenty percent copy only. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1584.95 1585.63 That's right. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1585.63 1586.83 RAID five is twenty percent. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1585.48 1585.69 Yeah uh. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1598.56 1600.85 So the disk which has crashed, that cannot be recovered. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1589.46 1594.91 So RAID one is exactly it's means that's lot of wastage of resources, but it's more tolerant. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1588.13 1589.46 No. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1600.85 1603.59 That uh disk which has not crashed, it can be recovered completely. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1594.91 1598.56 And there is no kind of or anything, nothing exists there. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1594.07 1594.58 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1598.09 1599.19 Mm yeah, it's a. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1613.77 1615.94 Yeah, it'll be in the other disk. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1615.94 1616.95 So that is RAID one. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1610.11 1613.77 If one disk has crashed crashed, then you can recover everything. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1605.03 1610.11 Means if both the disk have crashed, for the same data, you cannot recover anything. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1608.4 1609.82 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1607.71 1608.4 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1607.19 1607.71 Hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1612.57 1614.06 Yeah, it will be then the other disk. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1617.89 1620.24 And Hemant how uh how do you want to go about it? 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1621.27 1621.81 T 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1621.32 1627.26 If you are given a choice, you want to take RAID one or RAID five or a simple laptop. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1626.02 1630.02 No, I will say how do you like to go about with ICAS? 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1624.83 1626.02 Mm. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1631.33 1637.04 Well I I think w after this meeting we can t we can try together to regenerate this. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1645.3 1652.1 then it's not that difficult, I can easily regenerate the gammas and do all the experiments again. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1630.4 1631.33 Ah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1652.1 1652.87 Maybe it's a 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1637.04 1645.3 Well uh P. L. P. s I think th they should be first regenerated, then posteriors, and if by the end of week we could have posteriors,
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1640.91 1641.22 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1644.25 1644.45 Yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1646.16 1646.29 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1654.01 1656.62 What are the new experiments you are having in your mind? 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1651.93 1654.01 To what are the experiments you need to do? 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1654.08 1654.39 Again. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1669.03 1673.85 scaling factor language scaling factor and inversion penalty. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1673.85 1678.1 This will be the main new issue, and uh well 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1657.32 1669.03 Uh mainly th there would be some experiment to check how the system is robust against these uh tuning factors like uh language mod uh language modelling 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1668.79 1670.27 scaling. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1670.43 1671.19 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1673.05 1673.33 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1675.94 1676.21 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1677.64 1679.82 But do you feel that is paper material? 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1679.94 1683.65 Yeah, the new thing in the paper, and well, some 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1683.06 1686.36 And also maybe like this noise is he was 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1684.93 1686.29 No in these cases, but 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1686.71 1690.42 But the one which you have reported means you want to report something more than that? 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1695.27 1698.25 I put it in the presentation, but it's not in the paper. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1691.35 1695.27 Well actually actually this w this was not in the paper. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1691.48 1693.25 Mm, this is not in the paper actually d 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1698.01 1699.71 Ah, okay. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1699.71 1700.09 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1699.26 1700.11 This is 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1727.95 1735.37 Uh so I anyway, I had to re to redo all the experiments, but now it's a little bit more difficult,
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1735.37 1741.42 because before I had posteriors and now we have two more steps, P. L. P. s and and and posteriors, so. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1710.83 1722.85 actually the numbers are not uh very reasonable because they are just thirteen P. L. P. features and uh we have to have at least something which is known for people. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1699.61 1706.91 Uh the paper was just for clean speech, but since I had the results before and I cannot copy these things 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1722.85 1727.95 I mean they are expecting something around ninety, eighty seven or uh something like this. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1706.91 1710.83 because I t uh I talked with Herve and he said okay 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1702.45 1702.78 Okay. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1705.03 1705.38 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1718.14 1718.44 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1726.39 1727.27 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1727.27 1727.53 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1731.56 1731.91 Hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1732.89 1733.18 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1738.27 1738.68 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1741.21 1741.57 Okay. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1741.84 1744.77 At least now he can know a full system setup from 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1744.37 1752.99 So might be what I can do I can give you the setup and you can you can generate from bottom, train M. L. P., test M. L. P. . 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1747.51 1749.65 Yes, thank you very much. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1750.72 1751.07 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1753.73 1755.8 Thank you very much uh. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1758.34 1760.89 You were always thirty nine, no? 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1760.89 1766.63 Not sure But then why did this features you gave me like they're thirteen? 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1766.63 1768.22 You truncated them to 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1755.98 1758.34 So now mainly like uh thirty nine P. L. P. . 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1760.28 1761.29 Mm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1760.36 1762.3 Mm, I was using thirty nine, yes. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1777.9 1779.73 Uh will I I will explain. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1792.65 1802.67 So this was one part of experiment, so single stream, and then I wanted to combine deltas with this and have another table, so that was why. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1783.78 1784.53 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1779.73 1783.78 So tha my plan was to have two streams, and I I I well. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1766.06 1776.25 Oh m I wanted I wanted to extend this uh well actually, the paper we wanted to write was uh for ICAS was something related to multi-stream gamma. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1776.25 1777.9 But okay, okay. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1784.53 1792.65 I so I I thought that okay I one stream will be P. L. P. and the other will be delta P. L. P. s. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1776.14 1778.75 No no no no, these these these ones like the 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1784.56 1786.12 Ah, okay. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1786.12 1786.44 Hmm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1784.62 1786.72 You did it on only one. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1792.2 1793.21 Ah, okay. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1790.8 1792.2 Ah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1797.72 1799.3 deltas. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1800.18 1801.33 Ah, ok 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1799.3 1800.18 Ah, okay. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1816.97 1822.87 So then uh for now I think it's better to instead of doing P. L. P. and delta P. L. P. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1809.62 1816.97 Anyway, results are not very important, but they should be within a range of uh acceptable numbers. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1822.87 1830.51 I can uh have single stream of thirty nine P. L. P. s, and then combine them with traps, just to have 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1803.07 1809.62 But actually because, you know, the numbers and the study is not sh i it's not showing uh strong results. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1826.26 1826.58 Hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1838.95 1841.14 Now, even the clean speech you are getting 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1835.54 1838.95 Uh they were, but they were less than ten percent or so. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1828.94 1834.75 Yeah, those results only you reported in Interspeech, no, like uh thirty nine P. L. P. results. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1834.75 1835.54 Uh. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1834.1 1834.83 Yeah, thirty nine. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1834.56 1835.21 And they were then. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1837.71 1838.56 Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1837.77 1838.11 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1837.81 1838.6 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1840.42 1842.37 So what is this result? 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1842.37 1845.45 This is related to your um M. L. M. I. ? 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1847.84 1850.1 The okay. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1850.1 1854.18 These numbers are full P. L. P. thirty nine, okay? 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1845.87 1847.84 No no, it's Interspeech. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1854.18 1859.64 But just to make things clear in the presentation, to show more steps 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1848.37 1849.8 No no, this is just 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1853.24 1854.32 Ah, okay, mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1857.41 1857.63 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1859.25 1860.66 What is a triphone gammas? 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1861.59 1864.03 He use the triphone M. L. P. and get uh 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1861.72 1863.3 Try yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1864.81 1865.64 Your your M. L. P. . 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1864.07 1864.81 Ah, okay. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1865.62 1866.24 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1866.79 1869.87 No, I I gave yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1865.77 1866.79 No,. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1870.74 1872.07 Even uh 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1866.15 1870.74 Uh n no he gave scale to me, then I generated gammas. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1867.07 1868.48 Even 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1870.29 1871.62 Okay. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1876.4 1879.48 Then the they're through that data uh from through. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1871.62 1876.4 But those gammas will be same as uh s normalised scale likelihoods, right? 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1871.49 1872.65 Even if you 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1876.14 1876.37 No no. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1873.86 1876.14 Yeah, it yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1875.63 1876.54 No no no no. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1879.16 1882.53 Yeah, because I have triphone G. M. G. M. M. s and H. M. M. s. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1882.53 1884.74 So he gave me scale likelihoods of triphones. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1878.52 1879.16 Yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1876.54 1878.52 The they're differently. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1876.58 1877.23 No 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1881.96 1882.26 Okay. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1882.34 1882.48 Th 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1884.74 1886.07 Uh not uh scale likelihoods. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1886.45 1892.23 Uh yeah, scale like uh scale likelihoo from uh t uh M. L. P. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1890.45 1891.73 From triphone memory. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1887.13 1888.49 Scale likelihood. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1888.49 1890.45 Scale likelihoods. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1887.4 1888.04 Posteriors. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1889.46 1889.87 From? 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1891.88 1894.01 G. M. M. oh, M. L. P. scale likelihoods? 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1894.01 1896.14 You're you are having posteriors there, right? 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1893.97 1901.28 Yeah, well yeah, so I j I d do I did try it yeah, th that's how you do that. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1898.1 1899.69 You divided by the. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1900.72 1902.13 Okay, so it's scale likelihoods 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1899.69 1900.72 Okay. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1899.72 1900.97 Hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1900.97 1903.93 So then again I will pass through full network. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1903.93 1905.71 Then I can generate triphone gammas. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1904.03 1904.28 Okay. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1906.18 1908.98 And full network, what was the r ch architecture? 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1908.09 1909.44 It's like. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1909.44 1912.63 It's no no, it's uh it's just G. M. M. word models. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1912.63 1916.45 You have all the connections to between all the words, like hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1914.11 1915.12 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1912.4 1914.11 Ah okay. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1915.12 1915.36 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1920.55 1923.93 So what are the other things we need to discuss? 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1924.96 1928.76 So then first thing is like we need to generate P. L. P. s, and then 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1930.39 1932.54 all these S. and R. s P. L. P. s. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1933.61 1937.7 It's amazing that everything was under temp. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1933.02 1933.61 Yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1936.39 1936.7 Hmm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1946.78 1949.43 I can hope it already if they could 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1937.41 1941.43 No, but I think what I think there is still some data which is recoverable. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1941.43 1946.78 At least they could give us time to I think that uh the most of those things should be there. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1949.89 1954.17 No, it was there on uh like uh yesterday morning also like even. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1954.17 1959.08 So I was running some experiments and then it was okay, but it's readable only, so I can't write anything, so. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1953.8 1954.04 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1952.22 1953.8 One day after the crash. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1954.37 1954.77 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1959.23 1959.52 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1959.54 1961.62 No, you don't have to write, but you could read, no. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1967.31 1970.11 Uh so if you want a copy again, you'll have 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1961.14 1967.31 Yeah, so but we don't know, like we thought like I thought it's recovering, so maybe by tomorrow I'll get everything, so. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1972.14 1974.54 You came on wrong day from Iran. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1970.27 1972.14 That's all be because of you. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1974.54 1978.23 You should had come on, it would have been okay. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1974.27 1975.04 Yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1976.53 1979.2 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1980.23 1980.65 Anyway. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1981 1984.18 But yeah, still some people are in vacation, so they will really 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1983.94 1985.83 Uh they'll get a shock of their life. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1993.73 1997.27 He flies to Senegal directly. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 1985.8 1993.73 Yeah, Sileye will be back and he's not in vacation, but he's in Italy. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1988.16 1990.66 Pedro Pedro also 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1988.97 1993.15 Might be the one kind of like if they have read their mails. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1995.33 1997.22 Yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 1996.87 1998.88 So Daniel is well in Italy? 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 1999.04 1999.55 Yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2004.64 2016.18 Because like we we s how much we can copy, because it's really so many iterations and even we thought of really completing minimal experiment also mm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2000.52 2004.64 But even all over the recent iteration, iterate training set in temp. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 1999.25 2000.52 Hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2003.41 2004.95 Yeah, everything is lost, yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2010.42 2010.62 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2014.89 2015.1 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2016.96 2019.06 Yeah, but it's a major loss, no doubt. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2019.75 2027.89 But at least, yeah, a script are there every scripts, like at least scripts are there but so if if they can decode 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2025.18 2029.41 The data on which we want to run the scripts is not there. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2029.72 2034.71 Yeah, if they can decode at least Hemant's P. files then Hemant can 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2032.07 2038.3 If they can yeah, if they can give me my C. files, then also it's okay. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 2034.24 2034.5 Mm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2038.21 2040.37 But C. files yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2040.37 2045.76 Even if they give you P. files, it's really better, even you don't really need to ru run all the 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2037.37 2038.21 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 2037.74 2037.96 Mm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2043.65 2048.37 Yeah, because I don't need to generate features also, yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2049.98 2051.09 Yeah, it's amazing. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2051.09 2053.69 I n I don't need all my P. files, just three of them. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2054.37 2057.27 Yeah yeah, you j just only like recent P. files at least. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2056.77 2057.4 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 2058.66 2063.38 And what if we have some day a fire in IDIAP, we will lose all the data. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2063.33 2066.77 Oh, that is fire will lose all the data, you know. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 2065.63 2076.4 Mm I mean, but they have well I I think w they can and yeah, they can d you know, store it somewhere. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 2076.4 2082.87 But you know, here we can easily have a fire, because the everything is made of wood I think and it's small and 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2069.29 2070.94 Nowadays it's not the case. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2070.94 2072.96 They physically also separate the things. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2070.63 2071.01 No no no. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2071.86 2072.98 Physically, uh yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2074.71 2076.19 Yeah, physically it is updated. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2082.79 2086.98 No, I think there is sprinkler or something around here, I hope so. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2083.06 2083.57 Yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2085.77 2087.36 But still I think I it depends. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2086.94 2088.42 Or it's sprinklers. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2088.92 2091.67 Uh in Edinburgh they had that big fire and then 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2091.81 2093.86 Then what if their sprinklers don't work? 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2093.81 2098.87 Even even sa several uh da buildings and all the computers in that building they all burned,
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2106.4 2110.41 No, it's the university is maybe it's really big, so they can afford for 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2098.87 2106.4 but they have like three backups in the university, so all these people, they didn't really affect much. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2102.94 2103.25 Uh-huh. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2101.8 2102.94 Ah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2108.3 2108.57 Yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2108.85 2112.28 Yeah, in fact they distributed the whole thing around. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2112.28 2113.89 They may not have it in one place. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2111.85 2118.94 Yeah, they yeah yeah, they want th they'll have backup in different and also in in some in underground,
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2118.94 2122.32 so that like file proof or something, yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2112.39 2113.87 They won't keep it at one place, yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2115.84 2117.33 Physically at different places, yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2116.4 2116.69 Hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2119.3 2119.63 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2119.57 2119.87 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2121.85 2122.28 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 2123.67 2138.55 Anyway, the good the conclusion is to have a back-up and uh and C. D. at home. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 2138.55 2138.83 Mm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2125.89 2126.44 Yeah, maybe. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2127.92 2128.29 Yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2134.54 2137.42 No, C. D. s are not enough like, no. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2137.42 2138.61 Yeah, how much uh 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2135.35 2137.09 Yeah, something like that I can recover. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2141.86 2143.42 So then C. D. s are not enough. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2138.73 2140.03 Because one C. D. is how much? 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2136.15 2138.73 C. D. s are not enough, that's the problem. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2140.03 2141.86 It's not even one G. B. . 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2138.73 2139.56 No, but 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 2141.25 2141.65 Yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2141.75 2148.17 For example f phonebook I can recover everything on phonebook, because I have it on the C. D. . 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2153.69 2158.94 But I don't know if I had I copied all the numbers that are on that, so. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2148.17 2153.69 I wrote it once time to copy it to my home, and so I have all the data of my C. D. . 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 2144.87 2145.21 Hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2147.55 2147.85 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2157.3 2157.75 Hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2157.75 2159.97 You're talking about datas or you're talking about 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2157.32 2157.58 Hmm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2159.23 2160.1 Data itself. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2162.29 2166.46 Features, segmentation, every label file, everything is there. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2160.1 2162.29 The whole feature to everything. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2166.46 2168.92 I could recover it back from there actually, but 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2160.69 2161.66 Okay, mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2162.23 2162.59 Hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2168.89 2173.79 But what about home directories or he also kept everything in uh temp. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2171.71 2173.46 I don't know. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2180 2181.46 All the experiments which he was running. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2173.46 2177.07 No no, he wa he was having locked many things in the proper places. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2177.07 2180 But in temp he wasn't having lot of important things, yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2173.01 2173.64 temp. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2176.67 2176.92 Yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2188.66 2192.19 It is home or home speech or something. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2183.56 2187.96 So at least if we can recover we we can read some of his stuff or something. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2181.79 2183.56 But he he did mostly on numbers, no? 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2187.96 2188.66 Did you locate it? 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2183.84 2184.28 No. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2187.03 2187.35 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2193.09 2193.91 Uh look what? 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2194.23 2196.52 Look for any features or anything are there. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2196.48 2197.39 No, i uh 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2196.5 2198.02 But what we'll do with the switches? 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2198.73 2204.42 No no, he he maybe he might be using same P. L. P. features or something, it they are different. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2203.04 2203.85 No no no no no. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2203.85 2210.58 Okay, that way it might be, but the situation is that uh he he was generating his own P. L. P. features from his own scripts. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2210.58 2212.42 He was not using using doctor speech. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2206.73 2207.41 We don't know it. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2210.25 2211.15 Uh his own 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2212.55 2215.01 Ah okay, is here, he got uh his own 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2215.01 2215.58 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2220.96 2226.48 The F. F. T. routine and uh reading the signal wave form. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2215.58 2220.96 So he was like uh he was so I'd borrowed few of the things from him. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2226.48 2233.67 These things I borrowed from him and I changed, and then I put it in my all programmes, so. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2220.39 2220.76 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2235.32 2240.54 I I kept the backups, but those backups are the them's also on temp. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2247.34 2248.9 And then there is no backup. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2240.54 2247.34 I didn't I didn't know that this this way it can crash, because I thought maybe I can do a mistake and wipe out the things. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2248.9 2254.37 So I cannot blame anybody, but I didn't know that the whole backup can itself crash. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 2244.3 2244.69 Mm. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 2251.82 2252 Hmm. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 2253.48 2256.11 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2257.25 2257.5 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2264.21 2266.92 Whether it is temperature or whether it is temporary. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2258.63 2264.21 So now in in my life I will never believe anything which is temp. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2264.12 2264.79 Not 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2267.35 2267.96 Uh 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2269.79 2270.21 Hey. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2270.82 2277.63 Because just few few days back I took a backup of my laptop, fearing the same thing. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2277.63 2280.75 But then I didn't realise that I should take a backup of 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 2277.21 2277.61 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2291.6 2293.94 A P. file of it. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2287.39 2291.6 Because I think I have kept those labels, all those things in the speech directory. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2280.07 2287.39 Only good thing is that the numbers I think I pretty much can recover all the even the f triphone experiments. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2293.94 2297.94 So it's easier to it all back, all those labels and everything, yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 2280.09 2281.58 Yeah. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 2281.58 2282.19 Reverse. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2286.94 2287.34 Hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2293.32 2295.08 Oh then it's good, you know like we don't really nee 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2298.32 2300.3 So but your P. L. P. is also like 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2300.48 2301.81 P. L. P. should be there. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2301.81 2304.34 I re should have kept the P. L. P. also somewhere tha 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2301.58 2302.03 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2304.83 2310.69 Then we just need to run your neural net only yeah, but P. P. P. L. P. s are like hardly few minutes li 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2310.85 2312.25 P. L. P. is hardly anything, yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2311.91 2312.21 Mm. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2314.19 2322.14 N mm, the the extra work on is like, you know, converting the segmentations from monophone to triphone, this kind of thing. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2322.14 2325 Then the all the scripts are there in the temp file, that kind of thing. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2326.01 2326.46 Ah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2352.32 2365.25 you say the point that if you lose one uh so uh so the thing is that I have to recover means I have to recover through the pho no monophone segment segmentation to triphone segmentation 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2331.58 2336.66 No, what you do is like you have the segmentation to train that for monophones, right? 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2326.48 2331.58 I uh like no no no no, no. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2336.66 2342.08 You can uh you can convert the same thing into triphone segmentation, because there is monophone and triphone, they are not different 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2342.08 2347.06 except that you're just going to give a different label to them p depending on the context. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2347.06 2352.32 So it's easier to convert that segmentation directly here rather than now ugh you know 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2365.25 2365.77 the whole thing. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2326.51 2327.34 Which which scripts? 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2328.33 2330.73 From posteriors to s forced alignment. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2336.19 2336.46 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2342.31 2343.15 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2340.56 2342.31 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2346.75 2347 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2345.02 2346.75 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2350.14 2350.4 Mm-hmm. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2363.65 2364.32 And then 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2366.36 2369.03 But but you still need to run all the nets no l? 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2371.3 2373.88 Th that uh numbers it's very fast, so it's no problem. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2369.9 2371.3 Yeah, it's okay. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2371.53 2371.91 It's 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2373.39 2378.51 No, but it's it's not I think at least it takes two hours or three hours I think. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2378.51 2381.61 you can't parallel also, that's the problem. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2379.36 2379.51 Yeah 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2376.69 2379.36 Yeah, so it's yeah. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2379.51 2390.67 but right now you the thing is that right now you know almost what is the uh like the which will give you the best is also you can cont instead of running it hmm. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2377.15 2378.96 Three years, two to three years, yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2387.19 2392.15 Not in all cases, that's the problem which people are facing. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2392.15 2395.67 Because everything was written then and there itself. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2401.98 2407.19 They didn't write it with pen or something on a paper or saying that okay, this is the best optimisation. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2395.67 2401.98 Means even if the optimisation has been done, they did the optimisation there and they they worked on that started working on that. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2392.13 2392.46 Yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2397.87 2398.37 He 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2402.85 2403.19 Yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2404.79 2405.13 Yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2406.98 2407.94 Yeah. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2407.94 2417.37 So for example if he want repeated all these results, then he ju he need to use all ma Hemant's P. L. P. configuration then that's really 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2414.46 2414.71 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2416.61 2422.9 Because if I change my configuration and your results are somewhere else. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2419.09 2420.39 Yeah, the results will be 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2423.58 2425.35 Then you don't you don't know uh uh well. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2429.08 2431.04 Ho let's hope the best. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2431.04 2434.54 I think I think we have spent 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2425.77 2429.08 Anyway mm let's recover it. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2427.4 2427.69 Okay. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2430.69 2431.94 So how much time we have spent? 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2437.6 2439.16 Uh uh thank you. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2434.03 2437.6 Yeah, for thirty five, forty minutes it is. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2440.71 2442.21 Fine. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2439.78 2440.71 Okay. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2442.21 2442.65 Okay, fine. 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2436.43 2439.78 Uh yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2439.12 2440.31 Okay, thank you. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2438.5 2439.12 Yeah. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2436.55 2438.5 Okay, so this is good enough. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 2439.55 2440.58 Thank you, thank you. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 2438.26 2439.55 Okay. 
IN1002 H00 MIO022 2442.67 2443.33 Have a good day. 
IN1002 H01 MIO076 2444.19 2444.86 You too. 
IN1002 H03 MIO078 2451.91 2452.39 It's all? 
IN1002 H02 MIO050 2453.23 2454.66 It's all, we have to leave fast. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 32.88 35.04 So is it correct or no? 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 35.89 36.25 Oops. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 39.45 41.72 You never know whether they're on right or not. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 36.75 39.45 You never know whether you've got these things on right or not. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 38.88 39.11 Hmm? 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 41.24 42.94 Yeah. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 42.94 44.19 Well, so we hope. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 41.87 42.12 Yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 43.57 44.99 Feels wrong. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 48.31 49.47 Okay, so I don't need that. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 52.74 53.91 Okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 65.5 69.14 with n things with links between them, documents that are linked. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 53.91 65.5 So David came in to me and to say uh i something we'd been talking about for a while was some stuff I'd been working on about using these topic models with uh with networks,
IN1005 H02 MIO043 53.35 53.87 Okay. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 63.03 63.31 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 63.13 63.37 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 83.08 91.35 but uh th at the time basically I'd been trying to use P. L. S. A. and those types of models on web pages 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 69.48 73.58 Uh n uh it's actually it's related to rapple 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 91.35 97.93 and that came up with uh a big problem in that most web pages have very very little text on them. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 73.58 78.91 but it's not actually that th this is something I haven't actually been working on for a couple of months now 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 78.91 83.08 uh just because I came up with something more interesting that I've been working on 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 70.31 71.86 The rapple also. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 71.86 72.48 No. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 82.08 83.23 Okay. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 98.11 98.33 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 108.79 110.27 that have lots of text on them,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 124.26 131.22 and that'll maybe have five links and a picture on it, and then because it links to page two and page three. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 117.54 124.26 So quite simply if you have a page one which is like a home page,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 110.27 117.54 with something else that that tells you what a page that has no or very little text on it based on the links, yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 102.93 108.79 the texts on the things they're linked to, so what I wanted to know was can you combine the topic models that the pages 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 98.52 102.93 But you can tell what they're about based on the other texts on the site,
IN1005 H00 FIO041 115.36 115.95 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 115.95 117.36 With the link here in. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 133.04 135.21 Can you tell what this is about? 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 135.05 135.25 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 135.32 135.41 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 157.06 160.53 And it's just page rank is just a simple algorithm for doing this over the whole big network. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 153.28 157.06 and we don't know what this is, then that page is more likely to be good. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 148.05 153.28 they say if this page is good in some way, and it links to this other page,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 142.91 148.05 the links go the other way, it says if this page is about fish or in Google,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 135.56 142.91 Yeah, so I started looking at uh Google page rank, which kinda does this by saying well,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 175.36 182.59 that's only part of the picture about what of what the page is really about, and the links pointing to that page are also part of the picture. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 160.91 171.05 So I wanted to combine the topic models that tell you beforehand what you think this page and this page are about with this to maybe get a better idea. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 191.38 197.29 right, so page rank you basically just d uh say 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 171.05 175.36 So the idea is say you've got some text on a page,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 182.59 191.38 So I basically came up with an algorithm that's just a i it plugs P. L. S. A. uh plugs page rank into P. L. S. A. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 167.71 167.99 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 226.38 227.43 O of of the value. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 207.17 213.25 and you then say this page is based on uh how do you do this? 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 199.77 207.17 You basically take the how good this page is, which is X., and how good this page is, which is Y. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 213.25 226.38 Based on the the links coming into it, uh it's just a like a sum over all the the links of uh well, X. link I guess. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 227.43 228.75 Uh uh the but it's not it's 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 215.77 216.06 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 225.54 227.21 Of the value, yeah, mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 227.21 231.83 Mm of the previous r uh page rank or of the 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 230.6 230.98 Yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 230.98 235.81 If if so if this is page rank of X., page rank of Y. . 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 234.58 234.87 Okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 239.77 241.61 Page rank of Z. . 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 237.32 239.77 I think this is roughly it off hand. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 251.12 255.65 Uh sum over all the links into Z. of page rank 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 241.61 251.12 So you say page rank of Z. is equal to uh one over a constant to normalise it. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 249.59 250.12 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 256.83 258.31 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 257.17 258.52 of the link. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 261.33 263.22 So similar idea. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 269.7 279.39 so if you say a probability of topic one for uh for page uh Z. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 263.22 269.7 If you got a vector that says what the topics are, say you've learned from P. L. S. A. a d a distribution of topics for every page 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 258.52 261.33 Yeah, tha it's like that, yeah? 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 279.31 279.58 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 284.41 292.54 Right, so nicking a whole bunch of maths from how you work out page rank, uh it comes up with uh just uh an iterative algorithm,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 281.02 284.41 uh is equal to, and you can use the same sort of thing. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 292.54 304.39 which is just uh the current probability of topic one given Z., so that's probability old plus uh 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 306.12 306.45 Okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 306.42 311.88 i yeah, plus that and then you normalise between them, so you say alpha and one minus alpha. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 311.88 312.88 Yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 312.88 319.52 So w basically what you're saying here, one minus alpha say link contribution you can call this I guess. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 312.02 312.26 Okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 319.93 326.51 So what you're saying is that a page is partly from its text that you've got on the page, and it's partly from what the links say it's about. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 331.49 333.12 So that alpha could be different for every page. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 326.51 331.49 So that alpha thing is how much do you trust the text on the page, and how much do you trust the links. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 329.38 329.89 Uh-huh. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 334.95 335.51 Okay. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 333.32 334.95 Mm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 340.54 345.38 Uh and I had some results from that, but they were all on temp two, so that's not important right now. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 334.8 340.54 So what I did then was try this on a big database of web pages. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 356.68 362.32 So you've got two vectors, you've got the one that you've just got from P. L. S. A. or whatever model, and you've got the one that you get from this. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 345.38 349.56 Uh but as it is not really important, I can regenerate that. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 349.56 356.68 The problem was that this gives you a new vector of topics for every page. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 345.55 346.07 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 367.28 375.53 How do you tell that this page because you don't know where the topics are, 'cause they're learned automatically, uh so 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 365.14 367.28 I had no way to evaluate this well. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 362.9 365.14 Uh how do you tell which one's better? 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 371.79 372.62 Mm uh-huh. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 372.17 372.51 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 384.59 385.09 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 374.91 376.15 So wait uh, I don't get it. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 376.15 384.59 You you have two representation, one which comes from this link uh stuff, and one f this one is not based on P. L. S. A. too? 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 383.9 391.27 It it is, yeah, because uh b yeah, you initialise it with uh actually thi this is kinda wrong,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 391.27 397.38 this is not old, but start this is how you this is how you you start it off. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 397.38 402.14 So this this is what P. L. S. A. gives you to start with, and then you iterate this and it becomes something else. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 385.1 387.57 It is the initialisation of. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 387.36 387.52 Okay. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 390.91 391.28 Y 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 393.47 395.44 A T., yeah, uh okay. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 396.4 397.59 But then it is iterative. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 395.26 396.4 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 398.4 399.15 Yeah, okay, okay. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 397.55 398.4 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 402.44 412.88 So you you should first train the P. L. S. A. stuff, then you initialise this link uh spreading thing, and then you iterate over okay. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 401.39 402.44 Okay. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 412.88 421.18 And it converge and so you have the boost uh initial P. L. S. A. and P. L. S. A. plus the link thing then. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 402.3 402.51 Okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 405.94 406.32 Yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 410.23 411.71 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 411.71 412.75 That's it, exactly, yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 439.38 440.13 Yeah? 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 440.13 446.96 Well yeah, what you do is you're taking this and iterating over it, the probability of the topic given the document. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 451.17 452.1 Okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 425.55 436.28 So it gives you a probability of a topic given a document, which is Z. given D. and a probability of a word given a topic. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 420.74 425.55 Exactly, yeah, so you've now got you've got P. L. S. A. gives you two probabilities, right? 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 452.1 454.73 Right, so y i you m 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 436.28 439.38 So this is the same for both models. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 446.96 451.17 Uh so have I made that clear, I'm I'm not sure if I'm explaining this well. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 429.9 430.09 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 435.06 435.3 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 435.96 436.12 Mm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 439.21 439.64 Yeah. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 442.69 443.44 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 439.97 442.69 Oh, this is is frozen frozen okay. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 443.95 444.7 Ah uh okay. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 449.82 451.54 Yeah yeah, it's okay. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 450.55 451.09 Yeah,. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 458.79 459.29 Yeah, right. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 453.57 458.79 So th yeah, you you you were saying that you would like to evaluate that now. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 458.78 461.3 Yeah, so we were struggling at how do you evaluate this 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 466.98 470.35 it's th they never quantitative quantitatively do anything,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 470.35 477.67 they always say uh well, look at the clustering, there's here we've got some documents that all appear to be about the same thing 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 479.87 483.96 and you can't really tell exactly how good that is, you can just get an idea that it's 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 461.3 466.98 because uh I mean if you look at the way that P. L. S. A. and all those kind of models have been evaluated 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 477.67 479.87 and here's where we get some other documents that all appear to be about the same thing,
IN1005 H03 MIO023 473.03 474.18 Perplexity, uh. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 475.62 476.5 Mm mm mm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 480.79 481.1 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 484.06 493.3 Or they use the perplexity on the the likelihood to say oh good, this likelihood is uh is it's smaller than the other. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 493.3 493.33 Mm. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 486.11 486.31 Yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 500.43 501.94 So you have uh 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 495.49 500.43 you suggested d use the likelihood and Pedro came up with a really good example why that could be bad. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 492.26 495.49 Yeah, so tha that's the first thing th that thing when I spoke to you about this 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 500.04 500.38 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 509.6 517.33 It was to do with cars basically, if you have you have a topic that's uh representing 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 503.81 509.6 you have the uh oh, let me thing of what this was. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 524.21 533.16 Now you wanna tell which i i this page, uh Pedro's example of what it was, is that is says on the page Lotus Elise. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 533.16 534.41 Okay? 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 534.41 542.58 And that uh no f I can't I just remember it was a really can you ig remember what it was? 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 519.14 524.21 cars, and you can tell that that's representing cars by looking at this distribution, and it's the same for both. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 523.51 523.78 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 542.73 551.27 Oh, no re no I don't even remember the the you said I would tell you that evaluation should be done based on likelihood or perplexity. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 543.63 544.62 No, okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 551.87 557.04 Yeah, I didn't really consider doing it on perplexity, actually, that to be hon but okay. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 554.47 558.07 Well it's bu yeah, it's basically the same, but 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 555.53 556.72 Uh it's the same. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 555.96 556.13 Hmm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 577.05 587.29 and you have the m the directory entries of these pages, so so f like Yahoo or entries,
IN1005 H02 MIO043 559.09 577.05 But but maybe you you could have some some other labelli li or the task like if if you imagine you have some labelling on of of the web pages like like like for example you you look at at at at at a set of pages,
IN1005 H02 MIO043 587.29 593.16 so you have categories and and entries, so for example you have I dunno, cars, S. U. V., etcetera. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 593.16 608.99 So what you would like would be that two pages on in the same um category should be closer than than two pages being spread across different categories. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 559.53 559.91 I dunno. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 563.9 565.52 Yeah, another task or 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 582.82 583.39 Okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 609.7 616.37 Is that fair though, because I think one of the things with these topic models is that you don't know you can't make them cluster 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 639.51 642.51 and I have another page, I don't know where it is 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 622.92 626.92 This is something you have just for evaluation 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 612.6 622.92 But you you would not use this you will not use the Yahoo directory or n the directory in the training step of i of the model, okay. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 626.92 639.51 and then for example you you your task would be to say I have some page and and I know where it is in the in the in the directory,
IN1005 H02 MIO043 649.19 652.75 just by comparing their uh aspects. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 642.51 649.19 and I would like to to know uh whether it is in the same category as the first one 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 614.82 615.15 Yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 622.6 622.97 Okay. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 653.49 660.35 I it's making the assumption that uh this human categorisation is related to the one that is discovered uh mm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 654.29 654.53 Hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 658.4 658.93 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 659.72 662.07 If they have the same uh yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 662.07 670.09 So basically what you would like to check if is is is there some similarity in the in the in the aspect distribution 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 670.09 681.31 tells me uh something about uh the sim the the fact that they could be on the same category in the the this end end label categories. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 661.82 661.99 Mm. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 676.84 677.17 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 681.38 681.63 Yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 697.68 702.37 Uh thi this these labels, the Yahoo categories, that's that's a clustering. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 683.18 685.26 And that is is that really fair though? 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 697.01 697.68 yeah? 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 681.75 683.18 Okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 702.37 708.77 So you're by saying that this clustering is closer to that clustering is is does that necessarily mean that it's better? 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 685.26 697.01 Can you say that if a set of documents if the clustering of these documents is closer to the effecti what you what you've got there is uh a clustering of documents a as your devaluation 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 695.83 697.01 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 697.01 697.36 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 696.01 696.55 Oh, yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 701.99 702.25 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 700.29 701.99 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 706.69 707.4 No, but 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 706.95 715.32 No no no, i no no no no, it's doesn't have to be that if if you use the latent representations or distribution over aspects 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 720.29 722.71 And this you should be able to evaluate then. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 722.71 723.33 Um 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 715.32 720.29 you could use this to save two documents uh in the same directory or not. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 708.18 708.99 No no no no no. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 710.66 711.1 How would 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 713.76 713.96 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 731.31 736.81 Okay, so this is a directory and this is some some some some web page, okay. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 721.86 731.31 So so so w what what you would have have basically would be to have a directory which give you labels for some part of the documents. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 736.81 739.2 So the labelled one, okay. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 739.2 745.63 And you have some page which are unlabelled but you have links between those two. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 745.63 752.58 So what what you would do is that you would try and P. L. S. A. and and uh and use a model over that. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 722.4 722.76 Okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 727.24 727.49 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 765.1 770.58 So let's say you have you have a a page which is labelled, and you say okay,
IN1005 H02 MIO043 770.58 781.04 the the label page two should get should be the one w which it is the most similar to, or any kind of classification rules you can imagine. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 781.04 783.39 And so and so you say okay 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 793.64 803.17 okay, and then and then you would like to assign to this document too where you don't know the labels the same one as this one. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 783.39 793.64 what what's if I from from this page which have the similar so so the the criterion would be to compare those two distribution,
IN1005 H02 MIO043 755.03 765.1 Then then you would like to for example what f what could be very simple would be just to then to match each pages like that. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 768.47 768.7 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 804.69 809.99 And and here, that you use only for test, so this is your. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 820.4 831.09 In this way I think it's fair if you kn if you know only if you know only that and that and what you would like to discover is this. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 811.47 820.4 Then you can evaluate how wrong you are or cu how close you are from the real assignment, the right directory category. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 819.92 821.93 But I have the feeling i in 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 819.92 820.41 Mm-kay. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 834.02 837.02 This is a r like a real task. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 837.02 846.73 Like like if if if this directory uh uh company would like to extend this directory to new pages without the hassle of having human labelling. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 835.13 835.41 Mm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 848.29 852.17 But in this case you you have to use uh the label one, yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 852.17 852.66 Your los 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 853.82 857.46 You you only have the labels for some uh small part of the 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 851.93 853.82 Yeah, you have t you use this one. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 856.47 859.4 But how does it enter in that? 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 859.4 861.34 I i you have to train your uh 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 859.32 862.79 We uh I think your point was that you you train this without labelling first, yeah? 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 859.39 859.89 So 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 871.22 874.39 The links between some labelled document and unlabelled document. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 863 871.22 So you you would train it you this is this is t t all all those links are known. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 867.89 868.86 Your training data. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 874.76 881.77 Yeah, but the point is that you should change in a way that to take the label into account, or not? 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 901.72 910.4 and then you from these unsupervised starts you can know which document of P. L. is close from the document of P. U. or the reverse. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 910.4 914.07 And you can infer some label to a document of P. L. . 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 885.19 892.59 First you you train uh well maybe s it wou could be better if if if you take it into account. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 892.59 901.72 But but maybe you can you can do just a two step process, first one you have this uh unsupervised task over both P. L. and P. U. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 882.23 885.19 I d I think you can do it as a two step process. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 884.97 885.22 Okay. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 899.77 900.57 Okay, okay. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 909.89 910.13 Yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 910.61 911 Mm. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 921.83 926.49 and then we will have an unlabelled document and you just say this is directory one or two. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 912.58 915.05 Clearly wha we we had done these. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 915.05 921.83 You can train after that uh an S. V. M., saying this is category one or two on the label document 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 921.59 921.81 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 928.17 937.37 And if it should improve it, if you say this feature extraction process is better than you can have a better cleaner separation between those two. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 938.88 946.97 the the thing that worries me about this approach is that say the really really really simple example of this where your directory had two categories in it 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 938.28 938.88 Well th yeah 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 954.24 959.42 so they don't match, but the clustering is still very good in in one respect. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 946.97 948.18 uh good and bad,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 959.42 962.51 Uh but but you you can extend that up, even if you have a hundred categories,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 962.51 968.33 P. L. S. A. can find a hundred clusters that are a good clustering, but are completely unrelated to the directory. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 948.18 954.24 and and and you run P. L. S. A. on it, now that doesn't do it good and bad, it does, I dunno, English and French pages,
IN1005 H00 FIO041 946.74 946.96 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 947.27 948.06 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 948.06 948.4 Yeah yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 953.25 953.7 Mm-mm. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 959.48 960.3 Yeah, well but 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 972.28 978.89 I mean you can't say of course it's always good, because it's maximising the likelihood of whatever. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 967.49 972.28 Yeah, well, but I mean if you have to judge it's with respect to a given task,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 972.97 973.24 Hmm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 976.52 977.26 No, but w 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 977.53 984.48 But but what I wanna know i is that which of them has the better representation of a given page. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 984.48 994.12 So so given a random page, uh and these two models, uh and the wo the words that these two models give, which is more likely to 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 984.12 985.07 Yeah, but 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 986.38 986.56 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 988.18 988.42 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 992.39 992.84 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 992.84 1007.61 But but here you can you you say given a random page of P. U., which of those two model is more likely to to to to to say for example that thi the page of P. L. which is the most similar 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1013.04 1018.23 so so Hoffmann in his paper was doing just cosine similarity, but you can do anything. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1007.61 1013.04 so you so so from this so you take any distribution comparison things,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 996.82 997.08 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1017.14 1017.36 Mm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1018.69 1029.29 So so you just compare uh those two distributions so of D. one and D. two, okay? 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1029.29 1037.32 And so with that you can you can determine for example for a document o of the set two to the most similar 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1027.98 1028.24 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1038.81 1047.66 So you you you you select D. one so in this set which is the most similar to D. two according to the distribution from one or the other model 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1048.42 1048.68 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1049.29 1058.51 and then and then for this document you automatically assign to it the label of the document uh one 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1060.21 1066.53 and you check with this which is your uh your your if you are right or not. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1067.45 1067.65 Mm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1075.71 1083.44 So you would have a set of keywords, the set of image label with keywords, and he has a set of unlabelled image with some,
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1083.44 1090.94 and it would check whether the the label he assigns, so in this case annotation word h are correct. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1068.18 1075.71 This is what what this is very related to what Frank did with the with the keyword uh image annotation. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1090.94 1093.7 And I think it's fair uh it's fair uh setup. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1069.24 1069.64 Okay. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1075.35 1076.45 Yeah, it's the same. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1080.06 1080.33 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1093.28 1093.64 Yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1095.27 1095.73 Okay. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1095.85 1096.46 Fus. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1098.94 1105.98 There there's some might be some work to do, but the general idea, I think it's it's fair evaluations, it's a task. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1095.9 1098.94 So maybe this classification rule is not the best. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1108.14 1116.8 I'm I'm just n concerned that that's uh that that's it's answering a question that evaluates in some way, but maybe not in the way that 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1106.91 1108.14 S okay. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1111.98 1112.74 That can be dep 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1130.39 1130.9 Uh 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1121.15 1130.39 but maybe it's a better way um so what I mean by that is that sorry, I'm trying to process all this. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1119.58 1121.15 Well that maybe not is the same way I was thinking,
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1130.26 1130.79 Yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1139.3 1144.28 but it doesn't tell you which clustering better represents the pages necessarily. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1133.92 1139.3 Yeah, i it's the same thing, like it it does tell you whether this uh which clustering is better for this task 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1144.28 1148.05 But it it's it you you could say that it possibly doe it probably does. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1138.85 1139.08 Yeah. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1139.03 1139.25 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1143.49 1146.5 No, but according to this directory yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1143.92 1145.06 But i 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1146.6 1147.35 Yeah. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1147.35 1151.86 'Cause I don't think there is any way to say generally this this is better or worse. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1149.81 1150.34 No. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1151.9 1153.03 I I I think it's w 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1150.05 1151.9 yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1150.98 1151.39 Okay. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1151.81 1159.07 The the there is not uh v uh perfect uh clustering clus wh what is the how do you judge uh what is a good clustering? 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1155.69 1156.02 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1156.23 1156.34 Yeah. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1158.01 1164.21 It has to be re it has to be really to with respect to this, this clustering makes sense or I dunno. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1158.21 1158.7 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1179.5 1186.47 and here this la this directory is doing the same thing, like associating some topics with some documents manually. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1172.23 1179.5 I think the task of this latent model is to discover some some semantic like some topic proximity between documents,
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1168.47 1172.23 But then if you want to detect different languages, this is another task. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1186.47 1191.63 So comparing them is is is is good setup with respect to the goal. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1162.89 1168.47 What's good with the directory is that you have a good coverage of various topic humans humans can label. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1161.38 1162.89 Yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1163.32 1163.65 Mm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1186.48 1186.74 Yeah i 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1190.21 1192.56 And you're not exactly compar uh. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1192.56 1193.71 You're comparing them 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1193.65 1199.27 I compare those two, like the P. L. S. A. and the one over this same task of assigning good directory. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1199.27 1208.44 I don't know if if it if it will provide good result result or not, but it is clearly a benchmark for those two goals. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1197.24 1198.61 Yeah yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1198.61 1198.93 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1195.84 1197.24 Ah, okay okay. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1207.69 1208.93 Yeah. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1208.93 1213.7 You can e even keep the bag of words and do the cosine comparison or 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1214.16 1216.94 Also like a baseline, yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1214.76 1217 On on the infra yeah, yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1215.34 1215.71 Mm. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1215.76 1227.01 Just showing just showing how just first how better this is with respect to bag of words and hopefully then how you new uh regularised P. L. Z. given D. is. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1227.01 1230.68 I dunno just uh yeah it's basic. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1220.1 1220.5 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1222.65 1223.65 Like bag o yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1226.98 1228.67 Yeah, you can have tree setups, uh yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1227.64 1228.02 Okay. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1237.4 1239.85 And the two uh aspect uh models. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1230.89 1237.4 Yeah, basic cosine over the P. of T. given D., so over all this uh empirical distribution. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1236.85 1237.08 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1240.43 1240.84 But 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1241.82 1242.07 Mm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1243.44 1245.68 I think mm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1245.68 1247.71 Uh no, I th I'm I'm coming round to it actually. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1243.5 1248.41 You m you still not combi 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1252.36 1254.29 No no, it's joke. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1245.44 1250.23 We have to repeat over and over. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1250.23 1252.36 This is like advertisement. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1245.68 1253.74 Yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1249.64 1253.54 No, I'm so I I I think I g uh I I get it. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1253.54 1257.72 Uh I I th I think it probably is fair, I'm just I I've gotten um uncomfortable with it 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1257.72 1259.72 but I think that'll go if I think about it enough. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1251.15 1252.82 No no, but it's another 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1258.74 1261.47 No, it's jus 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1274.69 1280.33 could you give people a set of pages and like say you did it with five topics for example. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1260.08 1264.39 Uh but but yeah, the it it but it just seems a little suspect 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1264.39 1270.43 but I think that's just from the whole point that you can't tell which clustering is b better. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1270.43 1274.69 But uh what I'd thought before was could you get people to evaluate this by by hand basically 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1280.33 1287.16 Uh now you give people five sheets uh you give uh a t a a user five sheets of paper, each with 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1260.9 1261.28 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1269.74 1269.99 Mm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1271.08 1273.36 This is really yeah, yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1270.06 1271.08 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1270.38 1271.8 Yeah, just know where. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1279.71 1280.03 Yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1305.47 1314.07 and then you get like an intuitive ide uh like how would a person cluster pages given the what these topics supposedly are. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1314.07 1318.52 'Cause i you've got something that's fixed, the the P. of W. given Z. with respect to both models. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1291.59 1297.35 Try give the user these pieces of paper to get an idea of what these topics are, that's this P. of W. given Z. . 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1297.35 1305.47 And then you give them some pages, and say which one would you which piece of paper would you put that with 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1287.8 1291.59 words in varying sizes representing the probability of that topic for example. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1318.52 1320.82 So I was tr I was hoping you could use that to 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1288.83 1289.07 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1296.9 1297.29 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1297.11 1297.43 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1304.07 1304.35 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1311.61 1312.08 Mm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1313.97 1314.13 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1331.15 1338.74 uh divide me this bunch of documents into five topics, and you don't give them the topics a priori, you know. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1326.5 1331.15 It's it's more like if you were giving the people you you said to them okay,
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1317.9 1318.85 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1338.74 1343.72 So the two person could come up with very different one is very interesting i in 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1318.85 1326.5 But the point is that the Z. the the the aspect like the Z. are are are come unsupervisely. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1366.9 1369.33 because it's completely subjective. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1342.88 1352.01 In fact I I have seen a paper in I. C. M. L. where the guy was trying to learn which word he um aspects of clustering 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1352.01 1360.49 so I give you I give the real users mm the person um a bunch of marbles and they begin to say okay,
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1341.24 1342.88 Mm-mm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1360.49 1366.9 and they have to divide it in five group, and in the end it's not al it's it's always different to the clustering each people has 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1374.74 1382.06 which are um features that made the clustering, that can be extracted even if the clustering it's always different. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1369.33 1374.74 But in but there is uh some characteristic that are for transparency, colour,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1341.98 1342.25 Mm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1352.48 1352.68 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1358.25 1358.45 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1368.72 1369.43 Yeah, okay. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1377.98 1378.21 Right. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1376.78 1377.98 Yeah. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1378.18 1378.55 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1379.18 1379.51 Hmm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1381.49 1381.69 Yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1383.94 1384.37 Okay. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1384.57 1388.15 So I I think I think it's yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1385.23 1389.25 So so that's only to say that uh it's it can be really infinitive clustering. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1414.91 1419.36 because of the way it's laid out, because of the pictures on it and because of all of that. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1428.26 1433.28 I have no idea how, but uh yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1419.36 1428.26 There's a lot of information that's completely lost in this bag of words representation, and I was hoping that in some way you could use that to evaluate this. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1402.79 1407.87 so Google dot com doesn't actually say the words search on it, I think. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1388.85 1389.07 See 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1389.07 1402.79 the the thing about web pages I thought as well in that getting humans to evaluate it in some way is that you have most of the web pages that are uh well a lot of the web pages that are important in some way are are are home pages,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1407.87 1414.91 I maybe it says go, but you only know it's about search through the thing, but someone looking at it can tell that it's a search engine,
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1411.66 1411.99 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1414.92 1415.23 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1424.08 1424.36 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1436.57 1438.48 Uh I don't get it exactly. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1432.28 1436.57 Say another another example apart from uh this uh search. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1438.48 1446.32 What you mean, then don't don't use a Google page because it's uh too uh s root, but uh another page mm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1436.71 1436.89 Mm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1450.22 1459.85 someone would say it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a web page uh wh which has very few uh information in it or anything. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1443.34 1450.22 But eve ev even someone would would provide very different labels, like like someone would say it's a page in English 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1462.78 1475.83 and what's good with those model is that they they can they they are intended to provide you some some kind of way to compare two documents rather than to give you pre-defined sets of documents. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1493.72 1502.47 so you take all the P. of Z. given D. and all of the P. of W. given giv given Z., you you you can do anything with that. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1477.56 1484.83 The o I I don't think one one one aspect or one latent topic has any sense by his own. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1460.4 1462.78 So I think there's no hard clustering 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1502.47 1503.81 It's it's the whole set. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1490.21 1493.72 If you just take one of them alone,
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1484.83 1490.21 It's when you have the word set and the word distribution that you c you can tell something. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1475.83 1477.56 This is not hard clustering. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1463.12 1463.38 Yeah. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1484.82 1485.09 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1509.97 1525.07 meaning that like for example uh the the example about marbles is that the point what you can learn from all these sets made by people is that is that those two those two marble would be consider as more likely to be in the same sets 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1505.49 1509.97 I would say an an and this is oh it it should be evaluated 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1525.07 1531.54 because they they share some common properties which are not seen as the same for every one. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1531.54 1534.81 But they share some common properties that people will notice. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1524.09 1524.41 Mm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1527.32 1527.56 Mm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1540.34 1549.81 you would have some mu much more agreement between people than than if you look at the predefined sets people would would just cut at some precise uh point. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1536.45 1540.34 And if you look at the two the d all possible pairs of marble 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1537.01 1537.26 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1551.79 1552.41 You know what's 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1565.73 1568.25 and I have a test clustering of marbles. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1576.24 1579.8 That doesn't uh it says it's g better for this task, but it doesn't really say anything else. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1573.65 1576.24 is that it's saying that what does that actually say? 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1552.8 1554.29 Okay, I think I know it. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1554.29 1559.93 But it yeah, thi this is effectively what we have here though, and th that directory is one clustering of the marbles. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1568.25 1573.65 It's saying that one of these is more close to the test t t to the the one that we've been given 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1559.93 1565.73 And you're hoping that it it so what you're saying is that I have two clusterings of marbles for my two models 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1559.47 1559.73 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1559.5 1559.94 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1564.45 1564.66 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1578.52 1582.52 No no no no, you don't have two clustering of of of marbles. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1609.88 1613.57 and this one is said to be blue for example, I dunno if it's the label. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1599.86 1606.56 And you c and and and those two, so and one of them is labelled, and the other is not labelled. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1613.57 1614.81 So I put it in the blue bag. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1606.56 1609.88 So you look at that, you say oh, someone told this one was very similar,
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1588.58 1597.09 and then you have lots of people telling you I consider those marbles as very uh have to have very salient feature that they share in common 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1572.81 1578.52 Well you don't you don't really have two clustering no no no no, you don't you don't really have two clustering. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1582.52 1588.58 What you have is y is you have is you have one clustering of marble, which is this one 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1597.09 1599.86 I I c I would like them to be in the same cluster. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1573.25 1574.23 No, it does 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1576.05 1576.98 Oh, it's not that 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1579 1580.91 It doesn't have to match. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1578.24 1579 Yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1586.85 1587.09 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1602.13 1602.45 Okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1616.39 1616.79 Okay. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1625.71 1628.38 And then it happens that some of them have been clustered. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1620.92 1625.71 You just look at the people you you just have the people to compare those two marbles. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1616.56 1620.92 But but you don't you never use the blue bag, you don't ask the people to look at the blue bag. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1632.93 1637.58 Mm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1631.95 1632.93 That's the point? 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1637.58 1638.79 It's getting 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1630.14 1631.95 People being your algorithm? 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1630.14 1630.82 And and 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1640.21 1641.39 The this is the players. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1633.84 1635.72 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1635.72 1640.21 Yeah, this is I reverse both role. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1632.58 1633.84 Yeah. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1633.68 1638.56 Yeah. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1638.56 1641.2 But yeah, it just re 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1640.44 1642.01 Uh and so and so if I get that right,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1647.52 1649.54 If each of the algorithms comes up with a defin 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1642.01 1647.52 what what the algorithms are still coming up with is in this way you're looking at a clustering of marbles, yeah? 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1639.29 1640.44 Okay. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1647.54 1649.65 I i no no no no no. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1649.65 1657.25 It comes up with not with the clustering but with some way to compare two marbles, okay. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1657.25 1664.27 Some would say would say I consider those two ones are completely dissimilar, and the other ones say they are very similar. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1664.27 1673.28 And if you find that in your unl unlabelled clustering those two uh balls uh marbles happen to be in the same uh cluster 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1675.94 1678.01 But you average that over lots of documents. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1673.28 1675.94 you said the user algorithm might be wrong. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1656.59 1656.85 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1657.38 1659.03 Ah okay, right, that makes sense. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1658.48 1658.63 Yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1679.1 1679.51 Okay. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1687.14 1693.84 It can be anything but it's just a way of saying yeah, those documen documents are similar in some sense. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1693.84 1694.36 So 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1680.93 1687.14 Because the the latent aspects really doesn't have to match the final uh directory category. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1685.31 1686.41 Mm-hmm, exactly. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1696.77 1698.43 We're not trying to to fit yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1697.2 1697.68 Okay. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1697.83 1703.46 Is it just it just sometime dangerous to say th these latent aspects means this. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1703.46 1705.23 Yeah, I think yeah. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1705.23 1707.66 Good, good good. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1715.85 1722.86 um just like hand reading them in that one of the things I did was I started a i a web crawl at the IDIAP homepage. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1706.4 1706.83 Right. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1703.66 1705.34 I'm convinced, I'm convinced, alright. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1703.29 1703.66 Okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1705.34 1706.4 So it's good. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1708.96 1715.85 Um I'm trying to think of anything I haven't said about the stuff, but that uh from looking at the results I got it looked quite good 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1706.83 1708.96 Uh alright, well thanks. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1731.51 1735.55 So that there was enough to be able to run this link clustering algorithm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1726.8 1731.51 but enough to get the pages that were close to IDIAP to have a lot of links between them. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1741.87 1747.16 so of course this uh P. L. S. A. completely separated those out into into categories. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1735.55 1741.87 So what you find is that the pages around IDIAP, there's a lot of English pa speaking pages and a lot of French speaking pages 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1723.26 1726.8 It did not very many pages, only like two thousand or something like that 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1751.78 1759.11 One was very clearly English words that most likely word was the, and one was very clearly French words most likely words was de I think and uh 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1747.52 1751.78 Uh so when I looked at the the word likelihoods, there were two topics. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1754.36 1754.6 Mm. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1758.21 1758.4 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1761.59 1764.1 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1759.36 1760.87 You had onl two topics? 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1760.87 1761.59 Or no? 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1761.74 1764.04 The others looked like garbage, couldn't tell what they might have been. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1764.04 1766.03 But anyway, uh tha that's often the case,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1760.81 1761.74 No, I had many topics. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1766.03 1769.45 when you look at it you can tell very clearly that one or two topics are a b not the rest, yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1764.44 1764.62 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1766.67 1767.52 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1767.18 1767.53 Yeah. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1768.58 1771.95 Yeah, and the others usually don't mean anything, yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1793.13 1798.1 And and so it the it just makes sense on the uh looking at the whole set. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1809.55 1815.68 An any st any kind of thing you where you un unfold the model and look at it manually,
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1798.1 1804.78 So y I think all evaluation should take that into account and look at the whole aspect set. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1771.58 1777.32 They make sense only so global optimisation, the likelihood is optimisable globally over the whole aspects, etcetera. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1804.78 1809.55 Like here you look at the aspect set because you look at the similarity of two distribution. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1777.32 1781.36 So it's it's you never ask the model to do hard clustering of documents 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1770.94 1771.58 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1815.68 1821.83 looks weird, like like in those Hoffmann papers where show you columns with words or things. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1781.36 1793.13 you just uh ask uh it to find a distribution over aspects such that a document uh is more likely according to the restriction that the number aspe aspect is limited. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1769.67 1770.94 Yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1771.46 1771.73 It is. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1804.77 1805.01 Ok 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1810.4 1810.61 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1821.8 1822.01 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1848.08 1854.25 So you couldn't the the words were in French and the links, but there were no words picked up by the when I did the crawl for the model. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1827.16 1831.82 looking through some of the sites uh I looked for the sites that the models differed on 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1822.86 1823.72 Hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1831.82 1835.67 that where one said it was probably an English phrase and the other said it was probably a french phrase 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1823.72 1827.16 That w uh anyway, that when I run it on that, uh what I found was 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1845.2 1848.08 and links down the site, but the links were all pictures. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1835.67 1845.2 and I found a good few examples where you had a site that looked uh well one that I remember off hand was it was a page and it was a big picture,
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1850.13 1850.49 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1867.23 1871.74 So all the words on this page were English, but it was very very clearly a French page. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1881.13 1881.3 it's 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1871.74 1874.21 So the first model said it was an English page 'cause all the words were in English 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1859.4 1862.51 but it didn't load uh or uh b it was meant to be something else 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1862.51 1867.23 and it said uh in English it said four O. four this page cannot be found. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1854.77 1859.4 And there was a small bit down here, and in this there was uh meant to be picture in there 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1874.21 1881.13 second model said very definitely a French page because all of these pointed to French sites and it was only pointed to it was something dot F. R. as well 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1871.16 1871.43 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1877.25 1879.19 It was linki, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1878.46 1878.89 Okay. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1879.67 1879.95 Okay. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1881.56 1881.99 Okay. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1884.22 1884.91 Mm mm-hmm mm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1882.04 1884.22 So it was a a good point for you. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1907.95 1916.31 Uh what I found was that say you had uh 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1891.64 1906.3 uh the th the thing that was a bad point was that if you have uh say tryin I was trying to say if you could evaluate this with search given some keywords like which model would more likely find you a p good document 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1888.2 1891.64 Mm but the the problem that I found when I ran it 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1906.3 1907.95 that that sort of approach. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1885.4 1888.2 So I I found a couple of examples that were kinda like that. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1883.89 1885.4 Yeah. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 1884.19 1885.66 For your model, mm, good. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1887.32 1888.66 Like this, yeah, mm mm mm, okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1928.43 1936.91 and that's right, okay, this model, because it's averaging out over all the pages nearby, all of the topic distributions become more flat. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1924.79 1928.43 and it very very highly scores on the P. L. S. A. for one of the the topics,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1918 1924.79 Uh th tha that's not too relevant necessarily, but if you have say a topic distribution for uh one page 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1936.91 1938.84 It it becomes more uncertain about everything. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1934.18 1934.97 mm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1933.31 1934.18 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1936.81 1937.17 Mm-mm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1938.95 1939.38 Okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1949.5 1956.02 every page is linked eventually to everything else, so it every page has information incorporated in it. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1939.26 1942.78 So I don't know if that's necessarily a good thing or not, yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1942.78 1949.5 In in some cases it's gonna be a bad thing, b because ev every page is linked by the way the algorithm works,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1956.02 1962.44 Or i the distribution learned for every page has information incorporated in it, from every other page's distribution as well,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1962.44 1967.11 so it averages out, it flattens all the distributions, depending on what this alpha is. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1941.03 1942.99 Mm-mm, probably not, yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1941.72 1942.03 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1944.84 1945.24 Mm-mm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1945.69 1946.03 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1952 1952.46 Mm-mm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1982.96 1991.67 so you could say maybe I was wrong from deciding only due to the text that this page was about this aspect distribution 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1978.45 1982.96 but all the page linking to it are actually about very different topics 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1965.48 1966.95 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1970.91 1978.45 Because if you if you can be if you can if you are uh highly reliable about one page 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1991.67 1995.1 because because all the other pages are voting in different direction. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1967.8 1970.91 But also it depends on that could be a good effect. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1966.95 1967.8 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1965.62 1965.79 Mm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1967.07 1967.82 Yeah mm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 1967.82 1968.48 And 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1982.53 1982.78 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1996.56 1998.21 Well I I think that the thing is 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 1998.03 1999.12 While there's a balance 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 1999.88 2004.32 Yeah, that that there's a balance in the uh for example take a page like uh Slashdot,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2019.51 2025.86 so you in effect are losing information about what that page is about, because there's so many things pointing to it and they all average out as 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2004.32 2011.9 and it's like a news site uh for geeks, and you have uh nerds, yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2013.6 2019.51 Uh all of the like hundreds of thousands of pages point to that, but they're about completely different things,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2011.9 2013.6 News for nerds, stuff that matters. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 2008.1 2011.6 Nerd. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 2011.6 2013.6 Nerd. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2008.83 2009.98 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2013.59 2014.1 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2022.65 2022.92 Hmm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2024.35 2024.65 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2030.67 2033.7 And how many text is in it? 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2033.7 2035.37 Or something uh yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2024.75 2030.67 Um this alpha, i can it be dependent of the of the document? 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2030.21 2031.17 Yeah, so that 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2043.93 2048.48 for example this page, there's no text in it, will set it very low in user information for the links. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2038.77 2043.93 Um so I thought you wanna probably set this alpha per page, there's probably some heuristics,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2052.8 2055.42 It's got a big picture of a car uh 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2048.48 2052.8 Problem is, this is what Pedro immediately said, what if you have a page that looks like this? 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2034.18 2038.77 Th that's my first idea w was how I set this I remember for the Lotus thing wasn't there? 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 2034.64 2035.04 Mm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2038.26 2038.42 Mm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2045.68 2047.49 Mm-hmm, so mm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2055.55 2055.76 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2057.75 2061.37 Pedro's always speaks about cars. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 2059.86 2061.67 Yeah, cars and web. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2066.25 2071.11 So you can't just do it by words, because those two words completely specify into something or other. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2084.65 2085.17 No, maybe not. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2071.11 2079.05 Uh su you suggested doing likelihood, but at that time and I can't remember what my problem was with that. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2060.73 2066.25 Anyway, and it says Lotus Elise, so you know that it's definitely about car, but it's only got two words. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2079.05 2084.65 It might not have been a good thing, but you've got two likelihoods for it as well. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2066.17 2066.4 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2092.92 2099.67 And then maybe you can find some patterns that are then then once you have the once you have the task 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2084.16 2092.92 But I think for any kind of way you have to select those alpha you you have to look at the effect on on the re on the t evaluation task. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2103.71 2110.8 which others are are successful with one model, and and you can maybe infer some some rules afterwards. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2110.8 2116.98 But if you have no task, you can uh blindly select s good alphas. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2099.67 2103.71 you could look at at which pages are completely missed by one model,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2092.21 2092.52 Mm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2097.38 2099.33 Yeah, maybe do it by cross-validation, something. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2118.14 2119.02 Okay, there's 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2124.32 2130.57 the the long pages for example have good P. L. S. A. model without fusing links,
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2136.28 2140.16 or to the number of image in the pages, or anything. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2118.61 2124.32 Like like if if you look at uh if you look at your task and you see that, I dunno uh 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2130.57 2136.28 so then you can infer some heuristics like okay, the alpha should be proportional to the lengths or anything like that,
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2140.16 2148.69 But you should have some some task where you can individually look at the performance on every on every page. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2148.69 2156.79 And and and and at as a second step you could infer some kind of rule about how to select alphas with respect to the task. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2119.61 2120.38 Oh, of course. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2120.38 2121.06 Yeah, mm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2121.4 2121.48 Mm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2134.73 2134.79 Mm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2139.71 2139.96 Hmm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2145.69 2148.23 Yeah, yeah, w w I think we've agree on that, yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2148.23 2148.44 Mm-mm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2147.89 2149.62 Yeah, that that is fair. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2159.87 2160.39 Yeah, okay. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2160.37 2165.85 Maybe it's v it's very simple rules, but select them blindly s might be odd. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2161.89 2162.92 It yeah, d 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2164.98 2165.17 No. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2166.88 2169.39 Yeah, i so uh I I think that that's too easy. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2169.39 2176.69 You can do it with some heuristics and you can learn it from the task results in or combine the two, so tha that's kinda straightforward, I think. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2173.58 2173.86 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2174.35 2174.64 Mm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2176.92 2181.45 Mm probably heuristic it will be easier to compute because 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2180.67 2192.63 the the the thing about doing it through cross-validation or something like that with the task is uh the problem with doing a page rank style algorithm is that is that it gets better it it converges better and it gives you better results 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2202.94 2206.86 Uh now the thing about doing a web crawl is, the bigger your web crawl,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2210.67 2214.61 The smaller your web crawl, the less small world network like it's gonna be. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2192.63 2196.38 the closer a network is to being a small world network. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2196.38 2202.94 So small world network mean basically some far links, but generally very clustered locally. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2206.86 2210.67 the closer it'll be to the overall structure of the net n the internet, which is a small world network. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2180.44 2180.67 Yeah 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2181.44 2181.66 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2195.92 2197.35 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2197.35 2198.42 Mm-hmm, yeah, mm. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 2196.14 2196.44 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2202.79 2202.98 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2214.27 2214.96 Mm. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 2214.73 2215.1 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2214.75 2215.05 Yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2215.5 2217.98 So the more pages you get, the better your results. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2225.29 2231.23 The the Stanford web base data set that I was using for this, for for a bit of this um 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2235.07 2240.73 but they have m maybe a bit over a theta byte worth of web pages in this, a bunch of servers. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2231.23 2235.07 they have a a d I can't remember off hand,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2217.98 2225.29 And people running this style of algorithm, the page rank style stuff, generally run it on about two million or twenty million pages, or whatever. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2240.73 2241.15 Uh 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2228.92 2229.4 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2237.92 2239.31 Mm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2239.23 2247.19 But but but still li like the the the work I did on on hyperlinks, like I used uh Wikipedia 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2247.19 2253.63 i I think it's g because it has fairly high level of inside links between 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2246.65 2248.52 Yeah, maybe Wikipedia is a good thing to do. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2252.34 2264.14 Was I was concerned about Wikipedia though was that it's while it has a high level of inside links that has a lot of directory style links as well that might mess up it actually being a see wh while you have 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2269.67 2279.04 So you you can select only the links which are within the article or within the categories or it's it's it's well-structured, it's it's uh easy to manipulate and 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2262.77 2263.41 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2263.41 2269.67 Well you can categorise them because they are th it's there's a structure on the on the web page. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2273.9 2274.75 Ah okay, that's good. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2279.28 2284.48 That plus I guess it's actually straightforward to say to start with is this a small world network and then run it on that. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2283.71 2284.31 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2284.31 2288.17 You can even isolate the directory from the categories of Wikipedia. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2293.37 2295.36 Is it and that was for half of it? 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2295.36 2296.12 Uh if I remember. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2288.65 2293.37 You were running that on what we what was it, like half a million pages, something like that? 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2303.02 2304.59 There are a thousand documents. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2304.59 2306.16 And well, but 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2293.1 2303.02 Well yeah, actually I I I divided in three equal size parts which have one hundred fifty documents. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2299.11 2299.46 Okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2302.59 2303.92 Okay, the whole thing was 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2306.44 2309.68 Did you manage to to divide the link uh properly or 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2344.69 2347.82 And then you can run this set of experiments over Wikipedia. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2325.23 2330.32 In my setup it was different, because I I sh I couldn't use the links between different sets. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2330.32 2336.26 But this is not I don't want to mess you up with that, it's not the same kind of experiment. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2336.26 2344.69 But you could just use the whole corpus like this, and and for some of them you assume you don't know the the category assignment. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2315.59 2318.92 So in this setup, the whole link structure could be known 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2309.96 2315.59 Well, what I did with the link well, but this is not th exactly the same setup you would have. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2318.92 2325.23 and the only thing you wou don't you w don't know would be the assignation to uh to a category. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2314.34 2314.81 Okay. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2322.57 2322.96 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2325.56 2325.9 Mm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2338.86 2339.08 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2348.31 2355.32 I mean I think off hand thinking about this model it would have to work better, because two things in the same category are going to be linked. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2355.32 2358.3 So it it yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2347.32 2348.31 Okay. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2354.85 2356.25 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2356.25 2361.78 But this is the yeah, this is the hypothesis between this uh in this P. L. S. A. with link stuff. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2363.82 2368.67 Yeah, that's I think tha it's gonna be more true in some networks and in some tasks than others 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2362.36 2363.82 Okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2368.67 2371.37 and I think in the Wikipedia it's probably gonna be it's a good one to test on. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2363.42 2364.52 Oh yeah, I thi 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2368.75 2369.33 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2395.84 2402.21 and then if you take a journal you will have less links and and more documents. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2381.08 2388.84 and then if you have the archive of a journal, you can you can use the l the links between uh the citation links. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2402.21 2407.98 And then you would be likely to say that P. L. S. A. might be better over that, because you don't have enough links. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2373.05 2381.08 Like for example you can take proceedings and assume the categories are the keywords of the of the d of the documents,
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2369.33 2373.05 But you can you can think also at at other uh task like that. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2388.84 2395.84 So if you want to have a bigger stuff so Wikipedia would be kind of very small with lots of Engli in links 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2381.23 2381.48 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2390.96 2391.29 Okay. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2409.12 2415.5 So you you you can find examples which are not the web I think it's good to work in closed set. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2441.81 2447.92 So but but but but yeah, I think th th this kind of setup maybe web pages it's hard to find 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2438.76 2441.81 Well, it's reported, I I won't say. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2427.17 2433.6 Wikipedia might be one, citation, for example if if you take the NIPS arch archive, which is available. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2433.6 2438.76 NIPS author always other NIPS author, which are often themselves, etcetera. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2421.92 2427.17 You have to think at at at at at at at database where there's lot of in links. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2415.5 2421.92 Wikipedia is kind of closed set, ma even if there's lots of outside links, but there's lots of inside links. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2447.92 2454.15 sets of web pages which have good links stuff if you start from one page or something. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2409.66 2410 Okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2426.53 2426.79 Hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2452.16 2452.64 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2498.64 2504.63 and then you draw a topic given that Dirichlet distribution and then you draw words given that. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2476.75 2477.96 Correlated topic models. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2477.96 2481.35 It's David Blei, the guy that came up with uh with L. D. A. . 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2487.32 2490.11 So uh you know L. D. A. ? 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2462.12 2463.89 Uh this is always the case. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2492.81 2493.67 Uh okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2455.75 2459.23 Yeah, it I'll maybe I'll have a look at the Wikipedia stuff anyway. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2481.35 2487.32 He's got uh a new model that's it's published in NIPS this year, but his co-author put it on their web site a month or two ago. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2455.05 2455.75 Okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2493.67 2498.64 So a L. D. A. you basically draw a a Dirichlet which says like what type of document this is effectively 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2459.23 2462.12 I'm stuck doing something else for the next month or two anyway, so. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2469.04 2476.75 but it's on the same lines in that uh have have you guys seen this uh correlated topic models work? 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2490.11 2492.81 D you all know L. D. A. or yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2463.89 2469.04 Uh the there's another thing, um uh this was new but I haven't thought about this too much 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2462.21 2462.53 Okay. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 2476.31 2476.92 Which ones, uh? 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 2479.8 2480.17 No, no. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2480.31 2480.85 L. D. A. . 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2491.53 2491.82 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2504.81 2514.94 Alright, well that's for for every word and that's once for the document and that's you've got a parameter coming at this globally. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2514.94 2517.69 So that that's roughly what the model is, plus other little bits. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2518.28 2523.25 But anyway, so what they did was they they reworked this because one of the problems with L. D. A. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2529.4 2532.53 the less uh expressive it can be,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2523.25 2529.4 and I think P. L. S. A. has this problem as well in is that uh the more topics you have 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2542.48 2545.76 So the topics are necessarily trying to be different from each other. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2532.53 2541.6 because the topics it cluster it it pushes a document if it is pulling a document into one topic, it pushes another topic away from that. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2541.6 2542.48 Doesn't that make sense? 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2541.59 2541.89 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2554.42 2556.96 so once you m go over you try it one corpus,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2559.94 2566 uh the the new you add more topics and it doesn't get better in any way, the model doesn't. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2566 2568.53 The n new topics are effectively going to just be garbage. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2546.39 2554.42 So the more topics you have, the more th they're sort of squeezing into the space of what things can be about uh and things are kinda pushed out 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2556.96 2559.94 and once you go over about a hundred, maybe two hundred topics,
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2564.92 2565.34 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2592.37 2600.44 but it's generated from a Gaussian space, from a from a a space, so it's given a a mean and covariance uh and 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2584.78 2592.37 I think they call it eta uh and they from this generate a distribution of topics in some way,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2578.63 2584.78 So it it in to spare the details basically, they've they've got a variable here 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2569.05 2578.63 Uh, alright, so what they did was they they they stopped using the Dirichlet and uh they're starting to use uh a Gaussian there. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 2578.78 2579 Hmm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2600.21 2602.28 But it's discrete uh no, the 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2602.79 2609.25 Yeah, uh so what it does, the this is the the bit that took me forever to understand actually, uh same model 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2631.99 2640.75 these are the probabilities that that a document is about uh this theta one is the probability that this document is about topic one. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2609.25 2617.23 but this is given a Gaussian space it maps that down into the simplex of what a topic can be about. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2640.75 2644.11 Theta two is so these guys all have to add up to one, yeah? 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2627.92 2631.99 Uh for this is theta one theta two theta three 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2623.29 2627.92 Now say i i say you get three topics, that makes more easier to draw. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2617.23 2623.29 The so the simplex basically if you've got a say you've got two topics. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2631.1 2631.41 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2643.9 2644.18 Mm-hmm. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2650.93 2653.01 So this is the simplex. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2653.01 2659.19 Uh so basically a distribution generated by this guy is basically a point on this simplex. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2644.53 2650.93 Uh so that basically means that what a document is about lies on this space between them, yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2649.15 2650.18 Mm pyramid, yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2667.06 2669.49 so it maps it into Gaussian in that. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2669.49 2674.16 The cool thing about that is that if you've got two Gaussians, you can tell how close they are. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2659.61 2667.06 So what they do is they've got a distribution that maps uh a Gaussian and some space into a distribution on this thing 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2674.16 2678.13 So you can now tell how close two topic distributions are, right? 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2681.98 2688.03 so there's load of ideas that I had about this uh in that if you can tell that two topic distributions are close to each other. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2678.13 2681.98 So you can have as many as you like, uh and you can tell that they're close to each other 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2667.43 2667.88 Okay. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2676.51 2677.27 Ah, okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2688.86 2694.13 So for example if you split a document into two parts and said that the two parts have to be close in the distribution,
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2694.13 2699.16 you can see how the doc t the document changes, for exa stu stuff based on that. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2722.51 2730.84 but but it should be uh straightforward I guess to to formulate a basic in terms of the mean should be similar and the covariance maybe should be similar as well. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2700.12 2707.78 With this idea, what if rather than working with this P. of Z. given D. thing that you had from P. L. S. A. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2720.64 2722.51 Now I haven't thought about any of the maths for this 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2707.78 2720.64 but what if you worked from these Gaussians that you get for every document and you said that in some some function that said uh that the Gaussian representing this should be similar to the ones linking to it. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2737.75 2743.67 I'll send you guys the link for that correlated topic model stuff if you want, but uh I don't know if it's too interesting to you. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2732.93 2735.1 So it might actually be a better model again. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2735.1 2737.75 I dunno. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2735.08 2735.38 Yeah. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 2736.68 2737.19 Okay. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2736.96 2737.27 Yeah. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2741.92 2742.13 Yeah. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2743.54 2743.9 Mm-mm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2746.19 2748.37 'Kay, yeah, thanks. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2751.19 2753.51 Maybe I can do more with this. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2753.51 2753.66 Alright. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2746.2 2747.27 Okay. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2747.27 2751.19 Alright, well than thanks for hearing me out and the idea especially. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2746.73 2747.06 'Kay. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2749.76 2749.89 Mm-mm. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2750.14 2750.79 Okay, yeah. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 2752.52 2755.06 Well in in three months. 
IN1005 H00 FIO041 2752.64 2756.46 In two months, yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2755.23 2756.45 Yeah,. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2755.23 2760.62 Well there are lots of good ideas that are recorded and someone will 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 2762.4 2768.51 We should wait. 
IN1005 H03 MIO023 2760.76 2762.4 Oh yeah, it's too late, three months. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2763.88 2766.38 Because the data like will be released very soon. 
IN1005 H02 MIO043 2763.16 2763.88 Yeah. 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2763.18 2763.63 Yeah, b 
IN1005 H01 MIE080 2766.36 2769.21 Bastien, you can't release this data for four months. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 4.98 14.3 So yeah, we put this stuff on so that so that we have some record of the whole thing, what uh are going to say. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 14.3 20.47 And uh the whole idea here is says also put the lapel on. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 21.64 21.95 Yep. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 47.49 51.49 Or your girlfriend didn't change your mind. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 63.98 65.98 But still we we need to continue on this. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 23.4 27.59 Uh the whole idea of this meeting is that it's not me who will be talking all the time. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 43.82 44.26 right. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 51.49 63.98 So so that whatever he's whatever he's been doing uh is not uh forgotten and then people can stay on his shoulders and uh I hope that he won't get out entirely out of uh out of uh this problem. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 34.84 43.82 So I so the p the actually the reason why we got together is that it's ab it's about the time to A. make sure that when Petr leaves us uh I'm afraid it may happen 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 27.59 33.04 So so that would be a boring that would be definitely boring meeting. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 44.26 47.49 I mean it or did you didn't change your mind yet. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 33.04 34.84 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 27.94 29.75 Oh what what is the topic here? 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 31.08 34.4 S so Joel is going to talk. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 32.75 34.01 No I'm going to listen. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 49.39 50.73 But I cannot. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 48.47 49.39 I would like to change. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 47.18 48.47 I couldn't. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 44.83 47.18 Well, I guess so. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 44.84 45.21 That's mine. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 66.14 66.4 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 88.09 90.49 So about it but Petr Motlicek too. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 107.51 108.51 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 85.4 88.09 Yeah, and of of course Pet uh Petr for signals. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 90.49 91.68 Eh both of you you know. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 66.7 85.4 So I think the Joel will be is is my main hope that he's uh he's going to pick up uh the key-word spotting and some of these ideas and also the reason why p uh I p uh uh Petr Motlicek is here is that Joel is also getting interested in uh OPAL models of uh tem temporal envelope. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 102.2 107.51 So m I I guess that really you should be talking more than anybody else because you should be asking questions. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 108.51 109.54 Yeah, I know. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 97.96 102.2 Yeah, and uh so so this is um yeah, I guess this is it. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 91.68 95.04 So but but but you will be here and from different point of view, eh. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 111.11 111.93 And uh 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 95.04 97.96 Petr Motlicek is working mainly on speech coding. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 109.54 111.11 So what is it that you need to know. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 82.66 82.98 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 84.85 85.41 That's true. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 84.45 84.85 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 92.1 92.77 Because 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 89.22 91.2 Well I think that I'm more now. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 91.2 92.1 Much more than me. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 91.59 93.52 Well, may from different point of view. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 93.52 94.39 But 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 95.13 95.29 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 95.54 95.87 Okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 95.3 95.54 Oh. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 95.46 96.62 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 96.62 97.5 Speech coding. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 102.88 103.23 No. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 104.81 105.03 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 106.66 108.27 Yeah well that's uh yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 107.63 107.98 Right. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 109.69 110.45 So 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 111.37 117.97 Let me just tell us so what you know already about uh, I don't know, how far you are with the s features. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 117.97 118.47 Or 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 115.88 116.14 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 127.29 130.51 And uh tandem approach. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 116.26 127.29 Uh well uh so basically I started reading about the features that's taking the long temporal and uh time frame, that's uh TRAPs. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 126.29 126.55 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 131.19 133.31 So you know s something like that. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 142.18 144.77 Started with that and slowly getting used to the stuff. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 133.8 142.18 So then I also started with the there was a paper on uh fitting a ear model to the D. C. T. of a signal. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 132.12 133.8 Yeah, s yeah, yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 145.24 145.55 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 146 147.1 To the D. C. D. . 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 146.24 146.74 S 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 147.16 147.69 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 152.53 152.78 Right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 148.41 152.53 But t what Christos was doing. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 149.86 151.52 To the Hilbert envelope you mean, no? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 148.66 149.86 Oh I cannot say it. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 155 155.36 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 150.31 155 It's uh the paper by Dan Ellis and co. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 149.5 150.31 Uh I think yeah, yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 178.43 179.61 Yeah, I know. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 190.31 191.49 Because that's what we want. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 179.61 185.87 So then i the story was that then uh Marios presented that at so some meeting and we realised oh 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 154.62 160.74 Oh this were ho how it started basically because that was uh Marios Athineos, yeah, and Dan Ellis. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 191.49 197.45 And we'll the the way we've uh we are doing it is kind of I think it works, but it's little bit inelegant. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 166.16 174.7 It was a A. S. R. U. but that was a time when they weren't using very long uh uh uh d uh segments. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 160.74 166.16 They had a paper, I believe it was not in ICASSP A. S. R. U. or something, right. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 174.7 178.43 It was like fifty millisecond or something what they were playing with at the time. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 185.87 190.31 that might be cute thing uh for uh estimating uh spectral energies. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 156.3 156.72 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 156.83 157.05 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 158.6 158.88 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 160.43 160.76 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 167.27 168.36 Two thousand three, yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 165.11 167.27 Two thousand four I guess, yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 163.44 165.11 A. S. R. U. . 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 167.22 167.43 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 174.33 174.75 Yeah, okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 174.35 174.63 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 176.51 177.31 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 177.31 177.7 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 176.99 177.57 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 180.64 181.25 So for 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 184.57 184.9 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 219.6 221.21 So they were working little bit together 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 238.09 238.23 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 221.21 235.24 mainly M Marios was uh programming in MATLAB and Petr was putting it into fancy is yeah and uh but uh and but then we were hoping uh uh uh th to pick up on that little bit more,
IN1007 H00 MIO098 197.56 203.15 somehow stupid, so so first do the frame by based uh estimate,
IN1007 H00 MIO098 211.27 219.6 So so Marios was here for half a year maybe or even more uh, and uh started work with Petr who also j just came. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 235.24 236.18 and we we did, right? 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 236.18 238.09 You did a little bit of work. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 203.15 211.27 and then you you get stick to hundred hertz sampling, ten millisecond sampling or uh something, and then you just pick up the trajectory. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 198.94 199.31 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 197.7 198.94 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 198.5 198.75 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 216.19 216.66 Why that? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 218.19 218.77 I don't think so. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 219.48 219.6 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 225 227.38 Yeah, I just re-wrote in in C. plus plus. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 227.38 228.99 I didn't do us so much on that. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 264.06 267.22 Because there was some essential question 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 257.33 264.06 But we we didn't because there was still a question that I don't remember right now. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 255.43 257.33 So this we did. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 237.47 241.33 Well, we we tried uh many knobs to tune on th on that. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 241.33 244.46 Because you can decide what compression factor and everything. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 244.46 255.43 So I tried a little bit like um pick maybe three knobs and try to go through the three D. three D. cage to see what happens in which which kind of settings. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 241.45 241.83 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 254.59 254.8 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 257.31 258.2 Hmm. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 260.02 261.02 Huh. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 258.2 260.02 And we never published that anywhere, right? 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 261.02 261.47 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 280.01 282.42 I couldn't be sure about it at the time. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 267.88 268.8 I I don't remember 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 268.8 280.01 I would have to look at it f and because be before I wou before I we could u we could write anything I I would be have to be sure that something is right there. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 287.83 295.54 It takes like hundred times more than computing some M. F. C. C. s computing these features, because it's uh huge D. C. T., huge F. F. T. everywhere. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 286.1 287.83 It's it's very inefficient. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 282.42 286.1 So and anyway, it it takes time, this this computation. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 295.54 296.18 And 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 269.19 270.25 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 272.42 272.68 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 281.52 282.3 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 283.62 284.1 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 295.64 296.12 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 300.85 301.55 At the time. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 296.27 300.85 We were also doing a serious thing that we were stepping it by ten millisecond, right? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 300.81 301.77 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 302.99 304.66 We just stick to the TRAP. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 304.66 310.82 We wanted to make as close to TRAP as is possible, which is silly, but that w you have to start somewhere. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 310.82 311.08 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 301.77 302.99 There is no optimisation. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 302.98 304.2 Right. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 304.2 304.44 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 306.25 306.58 Right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 307.12 307.56 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 309.19 310.69 That was a reasonable start, yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 311.13 315.6 So then I continued with uh another uh paper that you are mentioning, L. P. TRAP. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 325.45 328.07 Because finally face find I do have something else. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 310.87 311.13 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 315.6 317.76 So I just moving around with that ideas. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 324.58 325.45 Then one by one. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 317.76 324.58 And also uh the main idea today why I told maybe is like if you can list down what all things are there to be taken care of. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 324.14 324.37 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 329.94 336.31 So uh maybe to list down the things other than the what I've already taken from you. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 336.31 337.84 And also to discuss generally. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 335.37 335.85 Y okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 344.18 346.95 You you have the Gaussians running somehow. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 338.77 344.18 So so what well, last time we we were s talking about what, about Gaussians? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 346.95 348.31 Like feature extraction. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 348.31 353.41 And then the tandem training c also, so the you are able to train the net now. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 346.94 347.86 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 349.25 351.24 Part tandem training. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 347.86 348.1 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 348.1 349.25 Feature extraction. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 370.91 372.25 He basically got a job. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 364.93 370.91 Uh Chi Fong went to T. I. and uh and uh uh uh B Barry is at Lawrence Livermore lab. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 361.05 364.93 So Morgan was joking no what he informed me they are gone from ICSI. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 380.35 382.37 It's uh i yeah, it's classified work typically. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 400.38 401.34 So please stay. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 353.31 355.5 So you may be the only one in the whole world now. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 355.5 361.05 Because uh because Chi Fong is gone and uh and uh Barry is gone. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 373.95 377.38 And he's he'll be working on things which he cannot talk about. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 372.25 373.95 He he graduated. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 377.38 380.35 He can't even say it on a microphone here I heard. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 391.25 400.38 Uh or there was uh there was uh Matthew and he said well, probably we'll be coming to ask you because nobody really knows anymore at ICSI. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 382.37 386.54 It's and so so jo Morgan was h only half joking. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 386.54 391.25 He was s somebody was asking him you were or so s or somebody was asking him something. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 359.43 359.95 No. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 359.95 363.1 No so they are going from ICSI? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 367.94 368.24 Huh. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 374.07 374.44 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 380.2 380.43 Eh? 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 400.41 400.63 'Kay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 400.84 404.94 But who who is the one who who is now developing the Quicknet and these things? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 407.33 407.82 Because it's 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 404.94 407.33 The the M. L. P. four and these things. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 408.32 412.77 And now it's uh cl close histo actually Brno is doing a a lot of that now. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 406.46 407.43 Uh th nobody. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 407.43 408.32 That was Barry. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 416.93 423.1 So that might be that Brno will be at the soonest as uh a ultimate expert on on the whole thing. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 412.77 416.93 They picked up the software and they play with the and nets. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 409.44 410.27 It was Barry? 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 413.29 413.68 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 413.29 413.97 Ah, I see. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 417.58 418.29 I see. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 422.25 425.6 Well still we have the experts who who made the software on here, you know. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 425.6 427.57 Olivier Bornet and 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 428.92 434.75 No, they ne Quicknet was done uh uh well Quicknet itself was done actually long time ago at ICSI. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 427.5 428.92 N n where which software? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 444.73 449.53 But he is he is no good in Quicknet, right, I s I guess. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 429.36 431.97 Uh Quicknet training. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 431.97 433.69 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 433.69 441.76 Yes, but Olivier make it run on on these machines and make the uh cross the two G. barrier here at IDIAP. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 441.76 444.73 Because we couldn't we couldn't do something, I don't know what. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 449.53 449.88 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 437.92 438.58 Is that so? 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 441.02 441.28 Group? 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 445.12 446.97 What yeah, yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 447.48 450.32 So we h have to treat him well. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 447.11 447.48 Okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 452.99 453.72 So so 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 451.96 452.99 Um okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 468.61 470.68 So I have the general feel. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 459.68 463.14 So then I think I need yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 470.68 475.36 But uh maybe I can take the interceptor from you and run it once on my to have it. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 452.47 459.68 So yeah, right now I have the feature extraction part where I can get the phoneme posteriors and through the neural net. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 463.14 468.61 Yeah, i yeah, but uh yeah, it's T. K. through for some other task I've run it's T. K. . 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 456.82 459.76 Right. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 459.76 464.99 So you just miss the back-end, which is easy because it's H. T. K., it's everyone knows here. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 469.43 469.91 Okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 475.03 476.76 Yeah, okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 476.76 486.52 A and you you just need from us to hear w what are the other p front-ends and other features to to choose or something. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 484.61 485.1 So 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 484.22 484.61 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 487.17 488.17 Basically. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 488.17 491.7 So then I can can share what I ca have read and uh 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 486.66 487.17 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 491.77 494.71 Well the whole idea then is that then you start playing with it, right? 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 494.71 496.94 And you yeah, and 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 495.63 496.04 Yes. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 494.54 495.63 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 498.7 500.94 Okay, so how do we do it? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 500.94 502.26 Shou shou should I list it? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 502.26 502.8 Or 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 503.01 503.58 Yeah, the 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 501.9 503.01 So I'll use this. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 502.89 504.33 Maybe that might be the 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 505.55 511.32 Let's do the feature extraction that we have already taken, then the back-end for that. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 511.32 512.22 Then? 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 512.22 512.64 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 526.51 537.41 Well so what what I have here, what I've been working on since I was here was M. F. C. C. P. L. P., which is always needed for compressing purposes. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 544.27 546.85 And also uh you know TRAPs now? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 520.37 523.25 So so well and that's that's what I call it. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 509.91 511.55 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 537.41 544.27 Then TRAPs with w various lengths. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 524.49 526.51 But okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 523.25 524.49 And then the back-end. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 517.35 520.37 Because see you feed something to the M. L. P. which are not the waves. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 511.55 517.35 Well, uh like I I d I distinguish between feature extraction and then the M. L. P. . 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 519.59 520.34 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 520.34 520.66 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 520.66 522.73 Uh so yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 524.45 524.74 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 536.86 537.42 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 546.75 547.03 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 547.03 547.58 Traps I know. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 547.58 548.9 But though with various? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 549.08 561.26 With var various lengths we were trying to to start them from from on the ultimate length of one one uh frame up to one second or even more. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 573.99 576 Applying some filt filtering. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 565.07 573.99 Also w then we apply the D. C. T. on the TRAP itself, which is some something like the Gaussians. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 577.91 578.67 So this. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 578.67 580.9 But this is mainly Franta who was doing this. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 576 577.91 Basically the TRAP. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 561.26 565.07 But it was mm so this. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 551.15 551.48 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 551.48 551.85 Length. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 551.85 552.09 Ah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 557.05 557.67 Okay. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 559.33 559.53 Oh. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 558.87 559.33 On frame. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 558.92 559.5 Frame. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 573.7 574.09 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 575.82 576.57 Filtering, yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 581.12 581.41 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 629.78 631 So these are TRAPs. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 584.03 586.4 I was also trying the warping. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 582.66 584.03 So this is related to TRAPs. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 626.54 629.78 So these I have some results on. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 586.4 595.09 Means if you have a second um which is uh a hundred and one samples, I was just keeping the central ten ten samples. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 595.09 599.08 And then I was throwing away some some of them, you know. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 599.08 612.29 Like with sampling this this uh one second of the TRAP to something which I which I uh preserved all the points in the centre and just uh picked every tenth point at the boundaries 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 631 633.33 Then the Gauss TRAPs. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 633.33 635.08 Then tandem system. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 624.44 626.54 So this I was trying. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 612.29 624.44 which means the TRAP uh hundred and one TRAP trajectory shrank to say fifteen points with uh with still preserving the maximum resolution at the centre and throwing away most of the points near the boundary. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 586.09 586.61 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 588.28 588.73 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 602.87 603.16 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 612.07 612.5 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 617.26 617.6 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 632.46 632.85 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 635.27 635.62 Okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 673.9 674.12 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 644.07 650.84 And then there is a training uh with M. L. P. that's taking some context of these P. L. P. coefficients. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 674.12 680.24 But uh I think the uh I think the most important results are already in the thesis he's writing. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 670.09 672.64 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 680.24 682.41 So so is there some somewhere. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 641.64 644.07 Because that's that's just a P. L. P. s. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 657.77 658.73 This is the tandem. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 650.84 657.77 So it's like feeding the P. L. uh P. L. P. s or M. F. C. s, w whatever to M. L. P. and taking some context. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 658.73 660.61 So this set-up we also have here. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 684.2 686.95 Uh then uh then what? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 688.8 690.73 Then we can talk more about. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 682.41 684.2 So this is tandem. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 660.61 662.84 I didn't experiment with this. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 686.95 688.8 And then there is the F. D. L. P. . 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 672.64 673.9 Right. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 638.41 641.64 Uh the tandem you plus minus half. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 662.84 670.09 But maybe you some more results oh it's Hemant who has the results on tandem I guess, no? 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 643.78 644.16 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 647.14 647.53 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 650.54 650.88 Uh-huh. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 654.26 654.59 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 660.45 660.87 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 667.95 668.29 Okay. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 668.61 674.58 He used to have before he lost all the data. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 674.58 676.85 But he will have it again. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 671.48 677.51 We shouldn't smile. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 672.43 673.07 It's alright. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 680.04 680.78 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 690.25 691.14 Yeah, that's ri 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 689.52 690.25 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 693.87 697.93 Which is which I have more experiments on. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 702.18 702.45 So 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 697.93 702.18 Also this warping and compressions and all these things. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 696.98 697.35 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 701.42 701.82 Right. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 702.01 705.71 So compression basically you are looking at I guess, yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 705.09 705.73 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 709.35 710.59 So it's uh speech coding. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 726.24 732.52 And I'm using F. D. L. P. for that, still playing with uh more less one second long segments. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 751.23 759.6 Yeah b yeah yeah you take the the D. C. T. and you just divide it into several sub-bands, frequency bands with a different uh 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 710.59 723.87 So uh what is the task is usual just take the speech of course somehow to encode it into as as small number of beat as possible and with a reasonable quality of course. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 741.63 748.74 And then doing some compression and computation of yeah, yeah yeah, sh oh, yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 705.73 709.35 Yeah, but I'm using that for different different reason, right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 738.68 741.63 It's just the standard wor of work. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 748.74 751.23 But you are doing the same, no? 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 723.87 726.24 And again to e uh decode it. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 732.52 738.68 So just dividing the speech into one s one second frames doing D. C. T. . 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 710.65 710.96 Coding. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 709.44 710.65 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 718.13 719 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 725.76 726.15 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 728.03 728.41 Uh-huh. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 732.44 732.79 Uh-huh. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 736.76 738.39 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 738.39 738.75 Uh-huh. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 745.12 746.81 Well it's bil still sub-bands, no? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 750.59 751.43 Well yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 751.43 754.18 But that you just didn't talk about any sub-band so far. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 754.44 754.72 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 756.73 757.15 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 765.43 767.7 Yeah, but you don't do the overlap on the time domain? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 763.61 765.43 Or you do? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 767.7 769.4 You said somethi yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 769.4 771.11 Okay, so that's the difference. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 759.8 763.61 And by the way, you don't do the overlap on the sub-bands, no? 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 763.56 764.56 No, that's for compression. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 765.45 766.02 You mean 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 763.58 765.45 I d I do. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 768.74 769.14 I don't do. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 767.78 768.3 No, no, no. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 768.3 768.74 No. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 769.83 773.22 I don't need for for compression you basically don't need the. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 817.84 822.47 We use something like L. P., a linear prediction envelope. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 799.21 800.52 Okay, tr triangulars. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 806.69 813.64 So I'm computing that Hilbert envelope, which is just the envelope of some temporal trajectory. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 801.51 806.69 Then I'm doing s doing uh independent processing of each frequency band. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 784.96 794.8 I'm using those Gaussian filters or classical those those TRAPet trapezoidal like in uh M. F. C. C. s, right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 778.08 783.67 Because you can choose which filters you want, more less, or just trajectories of those bands. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 774.54 778.08 But in frequency domain there is a overlap. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 813.64 817.84 And more or less you can divide this into a Hilbert envelope, Hilb Hilbert carrier. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 800.52 801.51 That one. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 783.67 784.96 So there is overlapping. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 822.47 825.46 Auto-regressive model and excitation signal. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 772.16 774.54 Yeah, just one second with without overlapping. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 794.8 799.21 And then processing each f yeah, P. L. P. s. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 780.14 780.48 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 787.47 787.82 Hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 791.56 791.9 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 794.73 795.84 And P. L. P. . 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 793.63 794.73 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 795.44 795.95 P. L. P. s. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 797.63 798.9 M. F. C. C. or triangles? 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 798.49 798.96 Triangle. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 798.96 799.85 Uh yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 802.24 802.61 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 805.87 806.23 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 809 809.34 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 811.27 812.26 The speech signal, yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 822.3 822.62 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 825.33 825.66 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 836.23 845.68 And yeah, there is some compression factor, which is again when you're computing that auto-regressive model from F. D. L. P. . 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 859.32 863.8 And it sounds better for some kind of speech signals. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 826.04 836.23 Yeah, so those are two parts or items you need somehow to encode if you want again to get original speech or reasonable quality. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 845.68 859.32 You can compress the spectrum somehow in in such a way that you rather um preserve those even also those dips, not only peaks in the spectrum. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 831.05 831.54 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 833.84 835.34 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 835.34 835.62 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 843.11 843.44 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 857.06 857.41 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 858.55 858.87 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 860.79 861.23 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 861.77 865.87 So you know about this compression, how how does it why it's okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 865.87 866.56 I just don't know. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 865.47 865.7 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 864.16 865.47 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 865.85 872.67 knows more than than than I do. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 872.67 874.05 S so that's good. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 869.78 870.62 Ah he's new. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 870.62 873.13 He's he's doing you most of the things. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 871.4 877.27 So it's kind of logarithm when you use logarithm for M. F. C. C. s, right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 877.27 885.51 So it's again compression factor, something like th and but then you have to uncompress it again of course to get back the speech. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 889.25 893.48 But it's not related to speech recognition so much, or but 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 885.51 889.25 And there other other things which I'm doing. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 877.06 877.5 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 881.84 882.15 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 888.21 888.58 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 889.06 889.58 So 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 892.8 893.07 Okay. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 892.84 897.84 But certainly when it comes to like uh the the OPAL modelling of temporal trajectories,
IN1007 H00 MIO098 897.84 902.81 even pe Petr Fousek is not here, you probably know a lot about it by now. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 903.34 905.3 Well what? 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 903.55 903.97 Well 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 905.06 905.29 No. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 905.29 908.63 That uh uh ap approximating Hilbert envelope by OPAL model. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 906.95 907.7 Right, right. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 910.61 912.72 I I d yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 908.97 910.61 I what? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 912.72 914.07 Well the beginning of the 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 917.39 924.66 because same ap yeah, different uh application, different uh different software or something. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 911.87 917.39 Uh as as I say when you when you are not here, that that Petr Motlicek knows enough about it too,
IN1007 H00 MIO098 910.57 911.87 I a v a V. L. P. . 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 915.13 916.29 Sure, sure, I know. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 916.29 919.38 I mean it's more or less the same approach, right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 919.38 922.83 There is m uh just more right, right, right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 912.94 915.13 Well, it's yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 916.33 916.96 Oh yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 916.96 917.99 Sure, sure, sure, sure. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 917.99 918.22 Okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 921.62 922.06 Okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 920.37 921.62 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 924.27 924.63 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 924.31 935.05 So um just they in th um in the speech uh re-synthesis or coding, what you're doing, um did you try to to play with the knobs somewhere. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 947.4 950.72 Like what to use so that it sounds the best? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 935.05 937.18 Like uh many uh uh v widths? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 938.07 947.4 The compression number of bands and lengths of the so what you what you were playing with and what other result? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 937.18 938.07 I m no no. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 929.71 930.16 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 935.04 935.49 With what? 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 940.45 940.9 Yeah yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 940.9 942.13 Sure. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 942.13 943.76 Number of bands and 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 965.2 969.13 We can go down till like twelve and still okay I would say. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 961.09 965.2 which seems to me fit fifteen frequency band, which seems to me quite reasonable. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 973.13 978.94 Once you can go down with frequency bands, then you will have much uh more c uh complicated data. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 971.45 973.13 Or also that's another problem. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 950.55 953.52 Because I don't have results like in speech recognition. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 978.94 986.51 Uh let's say excitation signal, or that carrier which yeah because broad bands, right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 948.55 950.55 You know, that's the problem for speech coding. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 969.13 971.45 But then you start hearing difference. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 953.52 961.09 So of course I have to listen it and and s well so now what I'm using are fifteen bands,
IN1007 H03 MIO077 953.4 956.2 Yeah, o of course you you listen to it yourself. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 957.19 958.43 Because 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 956.2 957.19 I d I'm fine with that. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 966.44 966.73 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 971.54 972.01 Okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 973.18 973.53 But 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 982.18 983.06 If you go down? 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 983.29 983.56 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 983.56 984.14 Because 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 985.87 992.46 Because when the band is narrow, the c excitation is close the carrier is close to s sinusoid basically, co-sinusoid. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 983.3 985.87 If if you make a b broader bands. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 991.84 993.43 Yeah, maybe like that. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 993.43 993.58 No? 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 999.15 999.72 So 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 993.58 999.15 So there is more and more s uh frequency components let's say or something like that in one broad band. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 994.35 994.54 I see. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 998.64 1004.96 So so you won't say that the L. P. C. is not able to fit it so that the residual was easy? 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1011.84 1014.69 So when you are doing speech coding or 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1004.22 1006 L. P. C. will maybe. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1006 1011.84 But then you have still another part, sometime something like a source and a filter. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1003.72 1004.22 No. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1018.65 1022.68 I mean uh and uh that's why we have it here, right, so that 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1014.18 1018.65 You may almost want to dis uh um i b uh uh uh yeah, uh b use the white-board,
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1016.09 1019.8 Yeah, use maybe you can use the board for that, yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1017.59 1021.32 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1021.32 1021.79 Why? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1020.19 1020.81 Will be hero. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1023.24 1026.05 Can we remove this when you are going to this place? 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1026.22 1028.21 I don't think so. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1028.21 1030.69 I think no, we are wired. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1026.48 1027.14 I don't know now. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1027.14 1027.88 It's quite long. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1027.51 1028.22 No, no, no, no. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1026.66 1027.51 I don't think so. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1028.22 1029.17 are not supposed 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1028.08 1028.27 Oh. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1037.41 1037.9 I don't know. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1034.38 1037.41 So you've got source signal. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1037.9 1038.53 Source. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1029.93 1034.38 Well I mean it's it's the same like when you are doing L. P. L. P. synthesis, right. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1039.55 1043.62 I think you have to push it push it as much as possible because it reacts to the 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1040.29 1040.91 Except 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1040.3 1040.43 Uh 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1043.53 1047.38 And then there is some filter, which is that one divided by A. Z. . 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1042.23 1043.53 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1050.9 1059.02 And the source can be a noise signal or it can be some uh sequence of uh what is that? 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1059.02 1059.93 Pulses, right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1049.61 1050.9 And that's and that's it. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1058.5 1060.36 Pulses. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1060.36 1060.94 This is L. P. . 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1060.94 1063.14 This is a standard time domain L. P., right? 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1058.8 1059.7 Periodic pulse, yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1060.7 1060.99 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1061.83 1063.98 This is yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1066.45 1071.52 So this is some envelope, which is in our case related to Hilbert envelope. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1071.52 1074.74 And this is a source signal which is Hilbert carrier. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1063.98 1066.45 So and it's more less or less the same what I'm doing. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1063.49 1063.7 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1086.88 1094.41 And you p and since this this I mean because this thi this this spectrum is al has also line spectrum, right. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1095.86 1101.44 So if you are then if we are in a frequency, th your source looks like this. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1081.73 1086.88 So it uh the line's turning to into sines, right. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1094.41 1095.86 I mean all components. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1101.44 1101.85 And 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1074.63 1078.56 But since you are in a different domain, this is he here we are in time domain, right. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1078.56 1081.73 But but you are you are really in a frequency domain. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1074.85 1075.95 But this is uh 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1078.79 1079.13 Right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1087.63 1088.13 Exactly. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1088.13 1088.33 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1086.59 1087.63 Right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1088.33 1091.01 So this is now going to be frequency. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1086.98 1087.76 Oh which lines? 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1089 1089.22 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1091.39 1094.58 Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1094.58 1094.92 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1091.18 1091.39 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1115.51 1118.17 So you compute D. C. T., right, from signal? 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1106.58 1108.8 And then there is that Hilbert carrier. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1102.44 1106.58 So what we can see is some Hilbert envelope like this. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1118.17 1119.91 Yeah yeah, exactly. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1100.22 1102.44 So more or less if we uh can we can plot it. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1110.2 1115.51 But this is the signal which we get from one di one frequency band. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1119.91 1123.66 And what we get from that is this Hilbert envelope, right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1128.17 1133.3 It's just really close to cosine we m we might see if we do it do it properly, right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1108.8 1110.2 Or this not Hilbert carrier. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1133.3 1139.67 And this is what you also have to somehow transmit, or at least try to transmit in order to get 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1123.66 1128.17 And the second, which should be that carrier should be something like this. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1099.99 1100.22 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1104.55 1105.36 I see what you mean. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1116.92 1119.71 This is the sub-band time signal. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1119.71 1119.94 It's 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1118.46 1119.93 It's uh yeah, right. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1122.73 1123.45 So you know that. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1123.82 1124.08 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1125.22 1126.82 I see. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1131.68 1131.94 Okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1131.94 1132.39 So 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1136.58 1136.97 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1139.16 1139.74 I see. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1147.03 1148.77 'Cause there are three things. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1143.53 1147.03 I was not thinking of this at all before, you know. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1148.77 1155.77 First you have to encode this, then the L. P. C. coefficients and the residual after L. P. C. fit if you like. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1139.74 1143.53 I was thinking the residual in L. P. C. fit of the Hilbert envelope, not this. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1139.33 1140.38 And this is where 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1146.03 1146.6 Right, right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1152.55 1152.84 Right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1154.96 1156.88 No, I don't need L. P. C. . 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1158.65 1159.83 This is a residual for me. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1156.88 1158.65 No, no. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1159.49 1161.95 Yeah, in the for uh frequency it is. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1157.25 1159.49 This is like a residual for him. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1157.38 1158.29 Oh you don't 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1160.86 1161.99 This is the residual? 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1177.63 1178.5 Putting everything together. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1165.82 1171.55 It's and what you need is this envelope and this one carrier. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1162 1165.82 Yeah, I'm just wan I just want to transmit this signal right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1171.55 1177.63 And you again get the same signal, this this this shape, doing I. D. C. T. . 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1166.08 1167.71 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1167.71 1168.25 Well i 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1174.48 1176.07 Okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1176.73 1176.92 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1176.07 1176.73 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1177.51 1184.61 And the biggest problem currently is that the carrier is actually not cosine but uh something little bit more uh uh interesting. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1179.92 1180.41 Yeah, right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1181.3 1181.72 Right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1181.72 1186.97 But if you take a look for example for a s if you have a very g good music signal 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1186.97 1192.91 which is very uh periodic you can really see something like there is one peak and 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1189.77 1190.23 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1192.41 1196.3 And if the frequency doesn't change over the wa over over the lengths of the uh 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1194.78 1196.44 And frequency more or less doesn't change. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1196.44 1202.54 It's uh related to uh that frequency of the broad band or how it's called. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1211.14 1213.86 So then you can transmit uh just fe 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1202.54 1211.14 If you add those filters, which are uh wider and wider this is that centre frequency which is somehow related to this one. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1198.41 1198.94 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1202.4 1204.14 That that's nice. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1201.51 1202.4 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1204.28 1204.5 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1210.1 1211.15 Okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1211.15 1216.18 And so so so the so the broader bands do what on this picture? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1216.18 1217.26 L left left. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1217.15 1219.6 Don't then you don't see any anything like cosine. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1216.24 1217.15 It's worse and worse. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1219.6 1219.95 But 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1230.94 1232.83 It w sounds little bit worse. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1241.81 1247.53 And if you put in uh noise altogether, it sounds like a whispered speech, uh but you understand perfect. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1223.66 1230.94 for the higher bands you if you put in just s some garbage, some noise, it doesn't really m w matter all that much. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1232.83 1234.89 But uh it's not a big tragedy. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1218.43 1223.66 But but f f fortunately, because of he uh because of properties of hearing more or less,
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1234.89 1241.81 Uh where you really w if you want to g do a good voice speech, uh you'll want to get the lower bands correct. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1232.63 1232.97 Hmm. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1234.95 1235.36 Right, right. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1241.26 1242.41 Yeah, that that's 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1244.06 1244.65 Everywhere. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1255.07 1256.11 It lower bit rate. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1256.11 1257.36 But that's a problem. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1254.05 1255.07 Definitely better quality. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1257.36 1257.89 So so 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1251.04 1252.65 It's better, I would say. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1252.65 1254.05 Uh better quality. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1246.21 1251.04 It sounds like L. P. C. when you excited by noise. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1250.46 1250.98 By noise. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1251.36 1251.68 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1258.66 1260.83 Because I mean gave all the secrets away. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1257.08 1258.66 So now we have to kill them both. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1260.83 1265.1 I mean Qual computers is going to 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1260.51 1261.72 Yeah, sure. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1263.76 1269.63 For any object you measure you use for uh a reconstructed signal and uh 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1273.32 1274.32 So well, I mean 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1266.52 1273.32 Objective measure, well, it was some those uh distances, spectral distances well, Edinburgh saw probably. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1273.21 1273.36 Yes. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1274.28 1278.58 If Motorola or Nokia gets hold of this uh tape, then we are in trouble. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1278.58 1282.74 Uh hopefully it by then it will be protected and and everything, right? 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1277.13 1277.52 Uh-huh. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1287.41 1291.14 That's that's the problem. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1281.5 1287.41 Although Herve just said that we shouldn't s talk about confidential things here. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1291.14 1291.64 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1334.1 1337.93 They will take half a year before they would even realise what it is. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1311.58 1315.55 This is not a public uh public uh presentation. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1315.55 1318.68 So this i is not even a problem. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1286.68 1290.15 It's it's uh it's but listen, this is a science. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1331.61 1334.1 t H. P. H. P. . 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1299.64 1310.77 And uh and uh but uh we have to make sure that that uh if Qualcomm has a interest of who's funding the work the they have to have a chance to uh to to patent it or something. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1297.14 1299.64 But we w we of of course we will. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1337.93 1340.5 And by then so it's not no problem. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1318.68 1320.7 The only problem would be if but you know 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1310.77 1311.58 But that's about all. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1320.7 1331.61 nobody can beat p Petr uh Petr Motlicek anymore in I mean if even if if Nokia knows everything if you if you sell it tomorrow who did you work for th the uh uh text no 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1340.5 1340.77 Okay. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1340.77 1343.11 So that's where that's uh that's uh 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1290.15 1297.14 I mean it's uh confidential to the extent that we are not uh i uh publishing it yet. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1297.87 1298.98 I h 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1303.53 1303.73 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1315.31 1315.63 Alright. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1318.49 1318.79 Sure. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1318.79 1319 I see. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1318.2 1318.49 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1321.64 1321.89 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1332.24 1332.65 H. P. . 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1334.12 1334.47 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1342.11 1342.83 Oh okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1351.98 1353.82 So fifteen is about okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1342.83 1351.98 So so there is a compromise between the the lower bands the the worse stuff you just said and and the more bands the more coefficients to transmit. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1352.68 1354.39 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1354.39 1360.16 Also there are papers about it that f if you have like twelve frequency bands it's somehow optimal. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1351.48 1352.33 Right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1352.33 1352.68 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1360.97 1362 So this. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1362 1364.34 And then there is a compression. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1364.34 1365.12 What about that? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1359.71 1360.97 Okay. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1384.42 1385.15 Zero point one. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1364.63 1370.56 Compression is only to really to somehow feed that uh Hilbert envelope to yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1374.17 1384.42 There is no echo or something like reve reverberance in the signal if you really go down with that compression factor to like zero point one, something that. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1372.08 1374.17 You can model it better. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1370.56 1372.08 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1369.1 1370.1 To get the uh 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1369.58 1372.24 So that you get so that you can't model it actually. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1378.26 1378.53 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1384.34 1386.04 Oh oh oh, compression. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1386.04 1386.43 'Kay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1383.43 1384.34 Of what? 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1386.96 1388.89 So what is the compression factor we are getting here? 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1387.08 1387.54 So 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1427.87 1432.86 Because uh it ha th basically this OPAL modeling has a different properties. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1398.94 1403.11 Essentially if you were in spectral domain you would compress the power spectrum. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1432.86 1434.42 And uh it's 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1395.24 1398.94 And uh so then you get the fitting to compress signal. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1416.99 1419.48 But you know how much c it was compressed. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1425.77 1427.87 except that if it is different. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1389.05 1395.24 When you comp uh w what you com when you compress the effectively they'll want the signal which we are modelling. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1412.57 1416.99 And so the w then you have uh predictor is fitting actually this compress signal. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1403.11 1412.57 Here you compress the the th this th this i the what ful yeah of D. C. T. of of the signal, right. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1419.48 1425.77 So you can always expand it back so that you get the c that you get a fit to the to the original thing 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1394.48 1394.95 Uh-huh. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1394.67 1395.1 Right. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1396.9 1397.97 The sub-band signal. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1398.18 1398.65 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1402.72 1403.09 Yes. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1406.84 1408.33 Sub-bands power spectrum. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1411.61 1413.9 And it's still yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1407.73 1411.61 It's it's s right. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1419.51 1419.73 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1423.25 1424.23 To fit the the 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1433.89 1436.5 Yeah, you just preserve something different little bit. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1436.5 1438.24 Let's say in R. S. S. . 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1436.29 1436.72 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1438.13 1441.06 This is an uh sort of old technique which uh it 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1436.32 1438.13 So we can tell you a little bit more about it. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1446.05 1449.02 In I think I read it. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1440.88 1443.89 I think Hynek has got ma many papers or some papers over that. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1440.5 1440.88 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1443.89 1446.05 So Oh. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1441.64 1441.98 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1470.31 1471.79 But that was about it. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1448.39 1451.9 Yeah it was S. T. L. P., was called spectral transform linear prediction. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1456.83 1459.84 You guys were still in kindergarten, right? 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1459.84 1463.51 Oh, this is terrible. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1443.27 1444.93 And it was my thesis even. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1463.51 1470.31 So But no nobody nobody was using it for anything, except it was cute. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1446.27 1448.39 A small sorry? 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1444.93 1446.27 P. H. D. thesis actually. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1451.9 1454.62 It was my first ICASSP paper ever. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1454.62 1456.83 It was uh it nineteen eighty three Boston. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1446.58 1447.82 L. P. C. . 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1447.82 1449.2 L. uh L. P. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1458.89 1460.81 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1458.98 1460.9 Right, more or less. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1460.29 1460.7 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1468.79 1469.32 Mm. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1491.86 1498.75 Because in this uh thi thi this spectral transform allows you to to find the right balance between how well it fits peaks 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1503.41 1511.39 and sort of the so this is g so I think that basically I don't know what else I mean you should be asking questions, right. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1511.39 1512.54 So 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1486.13 1490.93 You sometimes want to get a basically good estimate of the of the envelope. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1472.38 1481.39 And uh and but now it seems like that is since since what we are doing here we are normal L. P. C. is fitting uh peaks, right. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1481.39 1486.13 But when you are modeling Hilbert envelope, you don't necessarily want to fit only peaks. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1498.75 1503.41 how how well it fits dips and uh and yeah,
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1490.93 1491.86 So that helps you. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1475.3 1476.05 Coming back though. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1480.91 1481.43 Yes. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1485.69 1486.07 Yes. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1490.38 1490.86 Envelope, yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1501.58 1501.87 Right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1502.68 1503.02 Exactly. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1503.33 1503.46 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1511.33 1511.96 S 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1511.36 1512.62 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1512.62 1520.51 Uh one thing I wanted to know is any um a good literature on these lines. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1520.51 1522.46 Uh where you started with, yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1514.15 1515.13 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1512.89 1514.15 Well yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1515.13 1515.39 Go on. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1518.34 1518.76 Uh 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1527.49 1530.49 They are that's really enough on 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1520.01 1527.49 Well I think you can really take those papers from uh Marius about F. D. L. P. . 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1525.09 1525.3 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1525.3 1526.87 Yeah, they are. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1526.87 1529.34 About three papers. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1529.34 1535.55 There was uh the s s s SAPA or how it's called, the confere then then 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1526 1530.09 Yeah, that's one yeah, o uh th oh. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1530.09 1531.59 I have two with the 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1546.73 1556.02 SAPA was a s I I tell you what it stands for, statistic and ad and something ad and uh perceptual approaches. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1539.51 1541.88 uh in a c Cheju. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1560.09 1564.84 But statistic and uh and something approaches. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1544.01 1546.73 It was from Virgin Islands. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1559.4 1560.09 I should know. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1564.84 1570.8 Uh pe perceptua and statistics and perceptual a approaches. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1570.8 1574.27 That was uh 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1541.88 1544.01 And one was in the A. S. R. U. . 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1556.02 1559.4 I was on f I was on a f w s organising committee. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1532.66 1533.09 SAPA. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1533.09 1539.51 And then yeah this is a this they are two papers in uh one is in SAPA, one is in uh U. Interspeech. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1539.36 1540.9 Interspeech paper I 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1539.47 1544.69 And one is in in the America uh yes. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1544.69 1544.88 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1545.81 1546.47 What is SAPA? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1547.08 1547.83 I I don't know. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1547.83 1548.56 I just n 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1554.84 1557.12 You were 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1556.59 1556.94 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1554.95 1556.59 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1564.01 1564.34 Right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1559.46 1564.01 Just something. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1562.23 1564.01 Evaluation, that's that's bad. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1560.07 1562.23 You don't know. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1562.59 1563.11 Pattern? 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1576.48 1579.07 At least two reports from Marius seem to me. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1573.73 1576.48 But there are also reports from IDIAP I think. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1568.95 1569.85 Approaches. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1579.07 1582.19 Yeah, they are more less they are same like. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1569.85 1573.73 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1569.72 1570.69 Okay, okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1570.33 1570.74 'Kay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1573.32 1573.76 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1603.8 1606.33 Basically he's a he's at Stanford the guy. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1595.45 1600.77 But he uses D. C. T. and then he p uh so the so so and it and Les is excellent guy. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1593.92 1595.45 He doesn't use OPAL model. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1609.32 1614.34 So he's very rigorous uh as opposed to s to me for instance. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1585.41 1589.36 I think there wa uh the reading Les Atlas's papers are very good. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1606.33 1609.32 And uh really he likes to write things well. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1600.77 1603.8 He's very good mathemat mm h very good theoretician. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1589.36 1593.92 Because Les Atlas is doing a lot of work on coding in this domain. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1578.92 1585.41 But they are the same, right, as uh as uh and then also is there is some more work actually can be traced down. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1614.34 1617.73 So if you read that then it then you know that there are no errors and 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1579.13 1579.42 Uh-huh. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1581.28 1581.61 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1588.24 1588.63 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1588.49 1590.16 Mm. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1590.16 1590.72 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1592.43 1592.93 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1595.54 1595.95 Uh-huh. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1598.41 1599.52 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1603.73 1604.14 Uh-huh. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1609.02 1609.57 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1607.97 1609.02 Right, right. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1609.09 1609.36 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1610.93 1611.08 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1611.12 1611.48 Okay. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1613.06 1613.75 Yeah, definitely. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1615.66 1621.16 Sometimes unreadable I would say. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1621.16 1622.88 It's quite difficult, but yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1617.33 1619.08 Okay. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1629.86 1633.96 last year on one of the ICASSPs he had like five papers, right. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1619.96 1629.86 Yeah, uh but um so whatever you g whatever you get hands on from Les Atlas uh for over past five years uh regardi this two years ago,
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1633.96 1638.94 Or various aspects of this because uh he's eager to 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1634.07 1634.7 Mm. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1633.34 1634.07 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1634.7 1634.95 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1637.04 1637.43 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1646.21 1650.21 It was not something like speech coding or that D. C. T. transforms. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1644.75 1646.21 Y yeah, yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1650.21 1651.06 N nothing like that. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1637.55 1640.86 Yeah, I think this year a lot uh Interspeech there was one paper. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1640.86 1644.75 But it was regarded to speech recognition somehow. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1643.04 1643.37 Okay. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1643.92 1644.45 Is that so? 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1644.45 1645.6 I didn't even see it. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1646.16 1646.48 Or 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1645.6 1646.16 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1648.56 1648.93 Uh-huh. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1649.95 1650.14 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1652.87 1653.4 I don't 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1653.54 1654.12 So 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1667.76 1673.86 And there is also one big table that he used he used to yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1663.97 1667.76 So all the m MATLAB implementations of these are here. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1673.86 1679.6 He was also playing with all these compression factors and lengths of the of of that. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1679.6 1684.96 And there is a big table in in Excel which you can look at. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1661.4 1663.77 But all the files are here. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1663.77 1663.97 You know. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1654.7 1661.4 Also I can um before Marius left, he he has he had actually left himself. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1663.33 1663.74 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1666.7 1667.09 Okay. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1671.06 1673.5 To fill in, yeah, with all kinds of parameters. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1678.15 1678.61 Uh-huh. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1680.91 1681.31 Uh-huh. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1691.91 1693.16 That was a big thing here. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1684.56 1687.56 He has all kinds of speech recognition results, right. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1687.56 1691.91 It was the first time you start using the cluster, I remember, or some uh some parallel processing. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1687.31 1687.88 Yeah yeah yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1687.88 1688.38 This wa 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1690.42 1691.4 Uh yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1695.34 1702.38 And he basically he he was the first one to realise that these these guys are pretty slow to to do these things. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1713.42 1717.8 He just put P. make and run it on uh on all the machines here. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1717.8 1722.22 So at some point he was using all the available memory by any mistake, you know. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1691.4 1695.34 Because it it it took a huge amount of time. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1725.66 1729.18 D no one could ever m move the mouse 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1702.38 1713.42 So he he he just uh he just uh put here the P. make environment and he didn't stick to any cluster or anything. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1722.22 1725.66 So at th in the morning all the machines were were just stuck. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1702.04 1704.64 Everybody hated him for t uh temporarily. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1704.64 1707.85 I remember. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1704.3 1706.73 Right. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1709.49 1709.78 Uh-huh. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1717.29 1717.71 Uh-huh. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1732.95 1737.91 But I say, Frank, but I want everybody to compute like Marius. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1737.91 1741.48 And 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1726.42 1732.95 I yeah, I remember Frank came to me and says is everybody was computing like Marius, we would be all dead. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1732.08 1736.89 Right. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1743.81 1748.09 So it was again ten times more demanding than C. plus plus and then 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1741.8 1743.81 Because he was doing everything in MATLAB. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1740.27 1741.8 So these these resul yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1741.33 1741.52 So 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1740.63 1741.33 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1746.65 1746.97 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1748.4 1749.17 Maybe yes. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1757.67 1759.38 I think so. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1747.18 1748.4 Mm. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1759.38 1759.76 Sure. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1751.63 1756.91 Now it's not so bad with that if you really write it f well. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1756.91 1757.67 And he did. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1749.58 1751.63 I don't it's hard to say. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1749.17 1749.58 Maybe no. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1751.63 1752.85 Mm 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1755.69 1756.38 But he did. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1780.3 1782.85 Oh well whatever. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1757.35 1759.14 But anyway anyway. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1756.38 1757.35 He wrote it well. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1772.77 1775.38 And then I I just optimised it a bit. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1759.14 1768.08 Because I w i in the code that I wrote I was like playing also with if if the mat matrix is parse I really don't use it all. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1775.38 1778.23 And also BLAST libraries and all these sta things. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1768.08 1770.83 I just multiply from here to here from here to here. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1770.83 1772.77 Not to matrix p my matrix. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1778.23 1780.3 But okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1782.85 1783.23 But the t 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1771.63 1771.94 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1770.45 1771.09 R right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1771.09 1771.63 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1776.48 1776.85 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1776.85 1777.67 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1781.04 1783.06 That's not important. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1780.61 1781.04 Whatever. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1782.4 1783.66 Well it is important, you know. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1790.66 1795.6 Because it's true it's true this that uh that things sped up tremendously since I came. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1795.6 1800.52 I mean uh of course partially because they started to buy some more uh more hardware. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1800.52 1806.1 But also be p some at least some people basically know how to uh uh write faster programs. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1786.66 1790.66 I hear it how much work uh does put in uh here. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1783.66 1786.66 Whereas I mean this is something which we never talk about, right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1783.89 1784.08 Uh 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1788.43 1789.24 Uh 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1788.9 1789.24 Oh yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1789.24 1791.11 Sure, it is important for this case. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1791.11 1792.83 But still 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1790.79 1791.09 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1799.9 1800.22 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1804.57 1804.66 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1813.12 1815.26 Normally it would take hour and a half. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1804.66 1813.12 But there is a the back-end recognizer which I will give you which is turn-around of eighteen minutes or well from eleven to fifteen minutes. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1810.6 1811.77 Uh this is fantastic. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1813.95 1815.35 And used to be two days, yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1815.52 1815.92 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1819.4 1822.68 It's just like ten times less maybe or five to ten times less. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1817.34 1819.4 No today it was over one hour. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1822.68 1826.67 But still still you can you can five times more compute. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1816.83 1817.34 Yeah no. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1817.18 1818.12 Uh 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1822.76 1823.1 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1834.43 1837.06 I yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1829.17 1830.79 You go back to Prague for a while. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1837.7 1838.13 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1830.79 1833.01 And then did you get anything in F in France? 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1833.01 1834.43 I got some ideas by the way. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1837.06 1837.7 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1826.39 1829.17 So do you already know where uh what is the situation with you? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1854.71 1857.46 Not not anything any research. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1835.66 1837.65 I have to talk to you about these. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1838.31 1839.66 I I didn't try to. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1854.26 1854.71 But job. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1851.85 1854.26 Any any job, like related maybe to field. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1857.46 1861.38 So if if nothing then then I could be able to get the job somewhere. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1839.66 1843.86 I didn't even mail to to Chernotsky, I must say. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1832.86 1835.66 Great. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1837.65 1838.31 I I don't know. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1843.86 1851.85 Uh I just talked to one girl there which told me that he would be possibly able to find me a job there. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1842.65 1842.91 Uh-huh. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1866.65 1866.88 No. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1860.66 1863.69 You you ca you t so you don't die of hunger. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1865.6 1866.65 Yeah, that's not the idea. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1863.69 1865.6 And so yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1856.66 1860.66 Oh it's that's the that's the would be a pity, right. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1871.07 1871.38 Um 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1866.88 1871.07 We'll we'll uh we will we'll try something, let's see what we can do. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1864.94 1867.69 Yeah, but t s but yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1863.25 1864.94 Yeah, probably. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1872.18 1872.44 'Kay. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1893.4 1893.81 But uh 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1881.07 1883.48 that it doesn't die, but it i it carries. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1883.48 1893.4 And obviously uh v we very much hope that you get into that and you get excited and you do s more and uh or uh maybe even different things. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1872.98 1881.07 So Joel, your main basically thing is as I told you to t uh when we were walking that uh that what whatever Petr did,
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1882.03 1882.46 Yes. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1898.16 1899.88 Yeah, it actually work that too. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1892.67 1898.16 We hope that you find out that everything was wrong and that the potential is much bigger. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1892.87 1893.05 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1903.76 1905.08 Uh 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1896.93 1898.01 That it actually works. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1898.01 1903.76 It's not that it doesn't work. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1897.83 1901.1 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1901.26 1903.77 Right. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1902.87 1904.24 No. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1924.92 1926.01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1918.29 1922.85 And I will point you to all the code which I have. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1914.59 1918.29 So we will send you the papers related. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1922.85 1924.92 And yes. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1904.24 1914.59 But after you find out the back then it will be that will be the yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1909.07 1909.71 Then 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1907.74 1909.07 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1917.62 1918.05 So 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1917.09 1917.62 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1925.31 1926.2 Yeah, 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1920.81 1921.38 Yes. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1922.92 1925.31 Well, regarding this F. D. L. P. . 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1921.38 1922.92 Uh yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1926.2 1931.35 So if we uh if uh if we you can hold him to his word. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1924.27 1926.2 And i and this and this is all on the record. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1928.28 1929.59 He doesn't send. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1931.17 1931.9 Yes. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1929.59 1931.17 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1940.5 1941.63 Yeah, yeah, ferret. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1928.52 1931.52 Yeah, I can play it back. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1931.52 1940.5 So I can just now tell the the locations of all the files and you can rewind. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1939.75 1941.62 Okay. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1935.99 1938.34 J ju you rewind. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1938.34 1939.75 Browse through the meeting. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1942.73 1943.16 Yes. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1943.16 1943.6 So 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1945.66 1947.24 Um so 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1949.66 1951.64 Yeah I think half hour it's fine, right? 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1947.58 1949.66 How we doing time-wise? 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1951.65 1951.85 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1952.08 1953.34 Yeah, and definite. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1954.31 1955.57 Any any more things? 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1958.39 1961.03 But you will be here until almost until end of uh 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1961.37 1963.6 Yeah, until twenty four. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1964.41 1965.81 So November, yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1963.6 1964.41 It's the Friday. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1963.32 1964.07 November? 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1965.45 1965.85 November. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1964.21 1965.45 November? 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1966.54 1970.38 It's just like I was just start teaching and then I n I'll need an assistant. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1965.65 1966.54 So breaks my heart. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1964.58 1965.65 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 1965.72 1966.14 Okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1971.88 1975.98 Mm. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1975.42 1976.41 Uh yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1974.65 1975.42 Yeah maybe. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1972.91 1974.65 Hmm. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1976.41 1979.37 Uh d hopefully it's make m makes uh pay pay some extra. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1981.27 1981.97 So we'll see. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1981.34 1983.43 What are you going to t talk or to teach? 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1983.43 1985.7 It's just that perceptual stuff and 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 1982.01 1982.31 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1983.49 1985.14 Either speech. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1985.14 1994.34 Uh but it's co actually compilation of uh really compilation of two classes I was giving at O. G. I., which is like speech processing and and uh perception. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1994.34 1997.47 And so I tried to put it together so that it makes some sense. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1990.51 1990.81 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 2000.39 2000.61 No. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 1997.59 2000.39 Do you already know how many students you have? 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2000.52 2000.88 No. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 1999.98 2000.52 No. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2007 2008.24 Guaranteed. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2008.24 2011.17 I have one guaranteed that I don't know if anybody else is uh 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2000.88 2003.5 I've it's uh i it I should have at least four. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2005.9 2007 But I have one, alright. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2003.5 2005.9 Because this is a p like uh graduates. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2006.62 2007.1 Yes. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 2006.78 2009.22 Oh it's graduate for graduates. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 2011.82 2014.26 Well I think Guillermo was thinking about. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 2014.26 2014.62 And 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2011.86 2012.17 Uh uh 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2013.06 2013.33 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2013.33 2014.94 Bu three I mean four credits? 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2014.94 2017.75 Or uh a total of four. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2017.75 2018.04 Ah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2017.16 2017.73 Sorry? 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2018.92 2021.34 I don't know if it needs to be four credit or not. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2017.73 2018.92 I s I don't know. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2022.97 2028.76 I don't know how much I like people without uh n not taking it for credit because then they just sit there and having good time. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2028.76 2030.41 But it's okay. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2030.41 2031.24 No no, it's okay. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 2023.43 2023.63 Hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2028.26 2028.54 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2032.09 2040.12 Because s s in I. S. it's four uh credits and uh Guillermo is taking I think he's g yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2041.57 2044.72 And so I'll I. S. who already have at least two. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2038.89 2041.57 Guillermo is taking, very good. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2037.47 2038.89 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2044.72 2045.24 If uh 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2046.6 2047.96 Yeah, we pro I probably get four. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 2050.73 2053.34 Just maybe to hear something new. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 2047.93 2050.73 Well I would like to go there, but not just for credits. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2055.25 2057.83 And uh it's possible. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2058.44 2059.1 I mean that's 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2057.83 2058.44 That's for sure. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2061.87 2062.44 Okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2078.4 2080.58 Um how to say this? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2061.91 2069.65 It was yeah, the last time it was for me it was good, the course from my from one special reason 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2075.66 2078.4 All the all the exercise books. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2069.65 2075.66 because in the f when there th were the flats in I lost all my papers from my school. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2090.26 2094.82 So so I have it now back, at least partially. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2080.58 2085.4 Note note yeah, all the notepads and everything, all the notes from any courses. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2094.82 2098.97 'Cause all the all the algorithms you were speaking about 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2085.4 2090.26 So I was remembering what I was learned or what I was taught at the time. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2073.44 2073.98 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2081.63 2082.36 Uh-huh. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2079.67 2081.63 Yeah, the notes notebooks. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2077.64 2079.67 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2080.32 2080.94 Notebooks. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2089.98 2090.6 It's uh 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2088.55 2089.98 But that's good, you know. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2100.71 2102.37 Uh uh I would add 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2100.35 2100.71 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2116.84 2119.09 But it was only two hour lecture. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2125.94 2127.98 I said well I'm just slowly getting into L. P. C. . 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2121.78 2123.41 Or I don't know what he assumed. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2102.39 2107.63 We know the reason was that at the time we thought I was teaching with Herve. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2136.77 2139.52 And then everybody was c totally confused I guess. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2110.83 2116.84 And suddenly we ran out of time basically because what happened was that uh it was supposed to be three hour lecture. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2132.41 2136.77 So I the L. P. C. part was like I had to do it in one hour. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2100.52 2102.39 I didn't get into too many things actually. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2130.57 2132.41 I have to teach H. M. M. and everything. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2107.63 2110.83 And we thought I we have much more time. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2127.98 2130.57 He said why but I we have only three more lectures. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2119.09 2121.78 And uh Herve assumed that it's going to run longer. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2123.41 2125.94 But suddenly we sa s he said well so so where are you. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2139.52 2140.13 And 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2107.73 2108.01 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2110.98 2111.23 Now. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 2113.46 2113.73 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2114.05 2114.32 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2118.02 2118.34 Mm. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2123.12 2124.44 Oh. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2124.44 2125.14 some 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2129.37 2133.83 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2136.42 2136.84 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2136.79 2137.21 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2139.67 2147.52 Yeah and also in the in the l lab labs the d people didn't know anything about it and they just follow the papers. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2147.52 2148.25 It was 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2143.15 2144.32 Yeah, they were also confused. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2146.78 2147.17 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2149.42 2150.44 In okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2147.84 2149.42 Where was this? 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2149.16 2150.75 It was at D. B. F. L., yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2152.34 2152.52 But 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2153.58 2153.83 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2154.27 2154.8 Oh we'll see. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2158.88 2167 I think that um this unless somebody has uh still anything incredibly important 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2158.17 2158.88 Okay guys. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2164.77 2165.6 Uh 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2168.04 2169.61 Not to this topic. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2169.27 2169.81 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2172.05 2172.29 Later. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2169.81 2172.05 But I can come to yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2170.92 2172.73 Right, it's uh ju it's a little bit up to you. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2183.44 2183.92 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2172.73 2177.55 You have to p you have to back this uh uh ha h specially Petr. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2177.55 2183.44 Because just to make sure that and yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2180.09 2183.94 Yeah, but anyway after I'm back I'll be still on Skype and all these things,
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2188.59 2189.52 So it's fine. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2183.94 2188.59 so no problem to contact me until, I don't know, May next year. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2184.23 2184.63 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2188.9 2189.25 Uh-huh. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2190.98 2191.6 Is it plan? 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2189.25 2190.98 Do you think that you will be done by May? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2196.91 2198.09 I should. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2191.85 2196.91 Well I would like to, yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2195.42 2197.32 Yeah, we made a mistake, I tell you,. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2197.32 2201.28 I think if I had to do it again and we made a mistake we should have register you here at E. P. F. L. . 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2194.12 2195.42 I think so. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2201.28 2204.05 You would have had a degree by now from E. P. F. L. . 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2205.41 2206.41 Yeah, that was a mistake. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2206.46 2210.36 But I would have to study here for that that long time, no? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2210.36 2210.69 I th 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2216.15 2216.46 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2214.96 2216.15 Two years? 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2210.44 2214.96 Sorry yours You were or you were here t you were you were here how long you were here? 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2221.26 2226.17 Uh well it would be good reason for Petra that I have to stay here. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2215.31 2216.67 Two two years, yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2216.67 2221.26 And I would have to stay one more. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2218.42 2219.29 Where are the 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2224.78 2226.38 Right. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2226.38 2228.83 So is she getting uh uh another position there? 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2228.83 2232.6 Or what is the re reason of What a boyfriend, huh. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2223.53 2224.78 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 2225.53 2226.08 Right. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2254.27 2257.78 And in in the science it's not that easy to to break. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2229.08 2230.08 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2248.4 2249.77 For a girl it's always the pain. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2236.78 2241.21 And everything is it's a great opportunity for her at least. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2241.21 2248.4 But the problem is and then she will go back and there's uh f family issues and all these things, you know. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2252.92 2254.27 But has to break. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2249.77 2252.92 Because she has to break for some time, at least a little. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2230.08 2236.78 Because she has a good position because she has a friend which is starting who is starting a lab there. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2237.61 2239.25 So that's good. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2239.87 2240.85 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2237.12 2237.61 Oh I see. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2239.25 2239.87 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2240.85 2241.19 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2247.44 2249.65 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2246.94 2247.44 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2249.65 2250.41 Yeah, I know. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 2247.42 2247.92 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2251.85 2252.15 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2253.58 2253.83 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2256.3 2256.96 I know. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2256.96 2257.21 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2262.61 2262.92 Okay. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2262.65 2264.02 Um okay, 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2263.51 2263.8 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2265.81 2269.53 So in case I need something on this F. D. L. P., I'll come to you? 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2269.53 2270.15 Uh yeah? 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 2271.1 2272.02 A any 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 2269.59 2271.1 Oh, sure. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2279.09 2284.61 Uh uh it's not it's not that I was very productive, that I was doing anything useful. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2270.73 2273.4 Otherwise I am also much more available than I was. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2273.4 2279.09 I mean when you came it was just like cra one of the craziest uh uh times of this year. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2284.61 2293.3 But it just like it's a little bit like writing thesis, all the time re-writing and change the do make a little changes and uh uh and 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2273.48 2273.98 Okay. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2275.37 2277.48 Okay. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2280.82 2281.19 Yeah. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2287.87 2288.41 But 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2283.87 2287.87 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2288.53 2289.41 Takes your uh 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2290.31 2290.58 Uh-huh. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2299.85 2304.96 Because if if if I want to go to Herve, I probably call secretary. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2304.96 2315.38 He's there or and when I can and i there was no op uh no ev every time I came to you you were available. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2292.92 2299.85 Yeah, but I think definitely you are the best person here to with uh related to availability of you. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2315.38 2316.28 At least it 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2305.59 2308.98 Yeah, he's ver no he has many more sp many more people so to take care of. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2308.98 2309.37 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2336.4 2336.66 But 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2315.32 2322.5 Well I'm typically I try to be, because uh because, you know, I mean for s this is also my livelihood, right, students. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2322.5 2336.4 So I have to make sure that that that uh they need to know something that uh so feel free basically to stop by any time and um yeah and uh it's not that I know everything. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2318.01 2318.55 That's great. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2322.35 2322.76 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2332.46 2332.77 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2345.61 2349.06 But not uh not obvi every detail obviously. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2349.06 2349.37 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2338.98 2345.61 if I know I uh I think I sort of know a little bit like what you guys were doi uh doing, right. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 2345.06 2345.96 I think so. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2347.79 2348.12 Mm-hmm. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2350.42 2356.06 You know the core, which we don't remember anymore programming. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2356.06 2360.53 We know the details and you know what what is th what is the global stuff. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2362.8 2364.16 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2366.48 2366.81 Oops. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2365.42 2366.48 Yeah. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2364.16 2365.42 Oh boy. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2353.84 2362.8 What yeah, you don't know why why you are doing it anymore. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 2363.19 2365.54 Good question sometime asking 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 2359.38 2363.19 Why you are you doing this. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2363.35 2365.67 Uh ask Hynek. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2365.67 2366.71 Ask my boss. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2368.92 2371.19 Okay, I think my mic is falling falling. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2372.89 2373.87 Thank you very much. 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2371.19 2372.89 So I think we go, huh? 
IN1007 H00 MIO098 2373.87 2374.42 Thanks a lot. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2369.25 2369.9 Yeah. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 2372.38 2372.63 Right. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2372.46 2372.71 Yeah. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2372.69 2373.67 Yes. 
IN1007 H02 MIO106 2373.67 2374.53 Yeah, thanks. 
IN1007 H01 MIO097 2374.23 2374.71 Thank you. 
IN1007 H03 MIO077 2374.79 2375.27 Oh. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 43.05 43.53 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 43.94 44.35 Okay. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 45.68 46.71 I don't uh 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 45.01 45.68 No. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 64.84 72.97 And all the students, and Guillaume wa was a student of this class, was very excited uh to design such a table. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 50.54 54.2 Maybe by presenting the project little bit. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 49.36 50.54 Should I start? 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 72.97 78.16 So he decided to um to make more research on this topic. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 78.16 87.81 So the general topic uh is about uh interactive table, um disappearing computer, um what is the other one. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 87.81 100.76 Um um na uh in the general fi field of uh collaborative computer supported collaborative learning. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 54.2 64.84 Okay, so historically it was um uh last year Prof Delambeaux in uh his C. S. C. W. classes uh asked the student to design a table. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 52.42 52.82 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 57.65 57.9 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 64.51 64.81 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 68.56 68.89 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 70.55 70.87 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 84.43 84.71 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 100.92 101.26 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 142.12 154.79 Uh Guillaume and uh Michael uh are two students that are working uh four four months to their master project. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 135.37 142.12 So I arrived uh in June, something like that, a couple of month ago. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 159.35 161.94 So Guillaume is working on the noise sensitive table. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 118.36 126.09 So if we make the computing um functionalities disappearing on on the in the furniture,
IN1008 H02 MIO101 161.94 166.02 It's uh what we are discussing about uh today. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 126.09 135.37 in the wall or other things like that, we may more efficiently support uh collaboration than the the learning. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 154.79 159.35 And they start working on two uh different uh sub-projects. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 108.68 118.36 And uh we know that when we put a computer in front of them, uh it doesn't help focusing on collaboration. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 101.46 108.68 So the idea is we have different people collaborating uh in a pedagogical purpose. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 117.47 117.74 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 139.24 139.71 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 151.82 152 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 153.78 154.13 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 158.94 159.16 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 166.35 166.71 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 189.12 194.23 In our own case we want to have uh a table that would be accessible by by students. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 175.31 185.44 The idea is if we can provide a feedback to people working together, uh it may help them self-regulating their activity, their collaboration. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 194.23 196.81 Uh at O. P. F. L. we are uh 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 185.44 189.12 So could be normative or not. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 167.12 175.31 So the idea is uh okay, w we have in the lab a notion about um root mirroring. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 179.49 179.74 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 184 184.33 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 199.15 200.87 Ok okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 200.83 205.92 At O. P. F. L. uh the learning centre will be built in a couple of uh years. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 230.04 238.55 uh maybe they will just by seeing an explicit uh feedback of that, they will um take profit uh of it and um 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 222.94 230.04 um instantly the uh at one moment or uh through time or the turn taking,
IN1008 H02 MIO101 213.4 222.94 So if we have this table uh that is accesi accessible to students if they arrive, if we provide a feedback of um who is talking 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 205.92 213.4 So the idea we we will have plenty of rooms uh like in libraries or meeting rooms where student will arrive and work. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 211.13 211.41 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 229.94 230.13 Mm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 238.81 243.33 So do you know uh which way you give the feedback? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 243.33 245.38 Light or I saw something like that. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 244.29 244.89 Yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 245.34 256.27 Okay, uh for for uh the noise sensitive table project um we decided to um to take the noise uh as input 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 260.42 265.23 So this is uh one of the the possibilities that were offered to us. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 265.23 268.45 But uh we decided to do to do uh it this way. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 256.27 260.42 and uh give a feedback uh with LEDs on the table. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 255.78 256.13 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 260.35 260.57 Hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 264.35 264.6 Hmm. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 286.08 290.69 There will be six centimetres between each LED with a blurring glass. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 279.2 283.05 So we don't want histogram or very precise information. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 274.58 279.2 We don't want people to focus on uh what's going on, uh what on the feedback. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 300.35 301.67 Something about 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 290.69 300.35 The idea is to have more um a kind of uh art, artistic uh feedback, to have a kind of general feeling of what's going on. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 283.05 286.08 But we will uh have LEDs that will be distant. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 269.29 274.58 The idea is to have uh peripher peripherical uh information. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 274.45 274.83 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 282.64 282.81 Mm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 288.87 289.23 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 301.7 302.05 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 302.88 303.58 Uh dance. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 312.11 318.14 Otherwise we could have uh we could imagine to have a whole table of of uh s well, of L. E. D. s. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 324.49 327.33 So yeah. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 303.95 306.51 Well I guess it's just a restriction we took. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 306.51 312.11 So so we don't uh the m amount of money we have to spend. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 318.14 324.49 And then y you can really start to to some regions of the table. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 317.67 317.93 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 326.64 326.94 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 325.14 326.64 Maybe more complex, yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 328.74 329.13 So th 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 328.78 333.92 Yes, the the first uh the first idea of the project uh was to have um the whole table covered by LEDs. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 335.11 340.85 But yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 334.02 335.11 Hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 342.95 349.27 But uh in fact we have a there was th yes,
IN1008 H00 MIO100 335.9 342.95 But uh for the prototype of this isn't this is not the the way we implement it now. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 368.96 375.59 So we decided to have it uh yes, thirty centimetre uh at each side. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 349.27 359.48 th there was the the restriction that if we cover the le the table with LEDs, uh some won't be visible because uh you have uh yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 359.48 368.96 So um if there is information displayed under the the sheets uh the it won't be um very useful. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 336.86 339.3 For practical reasons. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 342.88 345.76 To the border basically some distance? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 345.76 346.32 Or 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 346.45 348.32 We kept uh one paper sheet. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 349.43 349.62 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 349.62 350.52 O okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 357.85 358.59 Obviously, yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 367.88 368.32 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 372.88 373.19 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 384.67 390.46 So we start with a table that is approximatively the tab uh of the table where we are now. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 400.4 403.1 That will be the our first uh real prototype. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 390.46 396.64 And we will have uh a square shape like this that will be here and a second one that would be there. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 373.7 380.87 So uh the first shape of the table the shape of the table obviously is one of the factor on that will change the collaboration. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 396.64 399.81 So we will have something like this. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 399.81 400.4 Like this. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 380.87 384.67 So uh but we don't want to start with too many parameters. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 380.63 380.86 Hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 389.85 390.12 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 396.52 396.69 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 398.99 399.33 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 403.32 403.54 Right. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 416.38 422.78 And uh we will be able to uh start uh evaluating uh the prototypes. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 422.78 432.02 Uh uh about the C. S. C. W. class, that will start at the end at the beginning of November. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 406.34 411.77 And the so this L. E. D. modules are being uh designed uh now. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 444.87 451.74 And we will uh so at the beginning we wanted to put this L. E. D. modules uh in the tables. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 432.02 435.41 Uh so the student will be asked to design uh a table. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 411.77 416.38 We should have them in a couple of weeks. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 435.41 444.87 So to find the shape uh of the table to get uh who the and put that uh on the um on table uh legs. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 404.72 406.34 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 414.39 415.18 weeks. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 415.53 415.81 Hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 427.4 427.52 Mm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 441.68 442.02 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 451.48 451.74 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 466.57 468.92 So we come back to a more richer display. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 468.92 475.58 B but we will um restrict it to a small uh to have the same display. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 461.06 466.57 Um so we will rather beam uh the L. E. D. on the table. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 481.6 483.52 So we will simulate our 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 457.78 461.06 You know, it's not very uh strong uh wood. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 452.86 457.78 But we won't make it because uh for solidity reason of the table. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 475.58 481.6 LED lights uh that will be distant uh six centimetres between LEDs. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 475.44 476.56 Oh let's. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 481.2 481.55 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 481.57 487.57 This is for prac practical reason and uh also a matter of time. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 487.57 488.18 Because uh 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 486.5 488.67 But don't yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 494.6 496.04 Or you don't want to do that. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 488.67 494.6 Don't you think with a beam also you have less problems with the sheets? 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 488.68 489.12 Does 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 494.56 500.64 But uh th there are o other problems, like um yes, the the information display on the sheets. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 494.21 494.56 Yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 500.64 502.36 So we don't know if it's 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 498.02 498.39 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 501.32 501.77 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 505.37 512.11 And we have the feeling that to have the information embedded in the table, make it part of the table,
IN1008 H02 MIO101 512.11 520.34 it I don't know, we'll we we will try uh we don't really know what uh will happen with this prototype. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 523.64 529.94 Okay, uh maybe before uh going on on this subject we can talk talk a little bit on uh 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 520.34 523.64 We are very excited about that. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 502.14 505.37 And we have yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 504.92 505.19 Hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 503.62 504.92 Confusing, yeah. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 506.03 506.42 True. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 504.42 506.03 Yes. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 515.39 515.64 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 514.62 515.39 No, it's a choice. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 514.2 514.62 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 522 522.35 Okay. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 546.15 554.11 And uh in fact w what we we are doing now, we project um another screen on on the table 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 541.82 546.15 they should be able to to share information easily. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 533.91 541.82 Well, it's also about tables, but the idea is if uh uh the several students come to a table with their laptops 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 568.13 574.74 So you just have another f computer more or less you can use, but you can use it with your your own mouse and keyboard. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 529.26 532.04 Yeah, I can just explain my project. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 554.11 568.13 and different people are are are able to use their their mouse of their laptop to go to the to the project screen there and uh the project screen is just another Windows machine that is running. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 532.04 533.91 It's completely different from this one. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 531.05 531.27 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 534.21 534.47 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 541.42 541.69 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 545.4 545.78 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 553.27 553.49 Yep. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 562.22 562.55 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 567.57 567.95 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 574.76 579.59 But physically it's just uh something flat on the table again, yeah. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 578.04 578.66 Exactly. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 579.79 579.95 Huh. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 581.11 587 But uh in contrary to to having al another keyboard and mouse that only one person can use 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 587 592.9 now the different persons can use the the screen um at the same time with the with the mouse. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 585.26 585.61 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 593.12 593.52 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 612.44 618.95 So so the idea is to help them socialising, organising their own work,
IN1008 H02 MIO101 603.85 612.44 people are coming on a should be able to very easily uh use some um resources offered to them. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 593.88 603.85 So based on the fact that most of the P. F. L. student have their own laptop uh the idea is the similar idea uh is to okay 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 618.95 624.32 and uh not in a classroom setting, but in a social place where they could gather. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 598.8 599.07 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 612.24 612.63 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 618.88 619.2 Hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 625.04 625.46 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 627.23 631.3 Yeah, so it's different, but still uh yeah, it's same 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 632.76 634.62 It's it's collaborative work. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 630.46 632.76 I'll s still the same subjects. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 634.62 635.19 But uh 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 632.82 633.13 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 635.76 636.7 Different directions. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 641.5 644.02 So 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 636.7 641.5 It has nothing to do with uh audio processing and uh L. E. D. . 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 636.78 637.28 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 639.7 640.88 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 642.82 643.23 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 644.48 652.48 So uh maybe we can focus a little uh uh bit more on the what we have done about uh the noise sensitive table. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 652.48 667.15 Tell you about uh what we're interested in on the so we start so Guillaume started by uh developing the application that get the audio input. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 690.24 695.59 at least when the noise is uh at uh is bigger that uh specific levels. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 644.27 644.48 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 674.46 678.26 So the audio input uh is quite basic, no? 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 678.26 690.24 We u we use uh sound cards to to get uh the signals and to detect to uh on to ha and we have a threshold to detect uh when someone is talking 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 667.15 674.46 So we want it to have a modular architecture to be able to improve each uh layer separately. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 651.5 651.75 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 663.53 663.84 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 674.02 674.38 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 682.5 682.75 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 691.06 691.38 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 695.38 695.61 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 717.52 725.54 And uh uh so when different conditions are trigger are detected, we trigger on the interaction event. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 725.54 729.52 So very simple one could be one person is talking. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 701.68 709.44 this one is talking for X. time or uh has been talking uh X. percent of the five last minutes. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 696.4 701.68 And then we get this information about people talking, not talking, and to say okay uh 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 729.52 732.59 So it's uh the easy one. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 712.07 714.93 So this is more semantic uh layer. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 709.44 712.07 Or two people are talking together. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 714.93 717.52 Uh we call that interaction uh models. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 724.93 725.16 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 729.46 730.35 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 739.36 740.07 Hmm? 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 732.75 736.32 And there is uh a lot of programmes now about this implementation. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 740.07 741.8 Still in progress. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 741.8 742.38 Almost done. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 736.32 739.36 Is it's not uh it's not obvious. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 740.04 741.22 Still in progress. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 737.09 740.04 It's still in progress. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 761.45 765.11 And then you can start to visualise these uh different situations. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 746.22 757.52 It's more important that first we want to to have some events like two people are talking or one one started and another started and uh well,
IN1008 H01 MIO099 741.4 746.22 Anyway, uh I think the the details of the implementation is not that important. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 757.52 761.45 more or less broke into the speech of the first person, and so on. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 749.97 750.32 Hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 752.05 752.26 Right. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 757.33 757.69 Hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 761.13 761.6 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 768.05 776.75 W we will uh we are thinking about the visual grammar, meaning that when we have an interaction event that is uh fired 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 801.83 810.93 uh uh it it may be reflected as the um intensity or size of a s a cycle. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 765.32 768.05 So the last layer is about this visualisation. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 782.8 792.64 So for instance if someone is talking, uh we can just have a light that will centre on the point that is uh close to him. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 792.64 795.61 That could be an uh instant uh feedback. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 776.75 782.8 we uh will associate uh a way of visuali visualising it. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 795.61 801.83 And if he has been talking maybe seventy percent of the last five minutes, as me 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 765.35 765.55 Right. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 782.43 782.77 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 792.1 792.27 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 801.88 805.07 Oh, just kidding. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 800.61 801.88 Or too long. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 802.41 802.63 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 810.85 811.24 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 820.65 828.26 Or using the centre part of the table to show some something more about the um uh more general uh dynamic. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 811.69 813.26 Centre on the same point. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 813.26 820.65 And then if there's turn taking, we can show waves of light going from uh me to you uh or from other people. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 813.2 813.42 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 820.78 820.88 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 826.47 826.87 Right. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 856.82 857.49 But uh 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 829.66 839.09 Well that's uh I guess it's first prototype i you see we start with uh people two people talk or and don't and don't they. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 839.09 847.71 Uh afterwards uh one could imagine that you for example you can detect that someone is a bit angry or is uh yelling. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 847.71 856.82 And wi with different colours with uh with different colours on on table you could uh display this this uh give some feedback. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 832.7 832.96 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 846.43 846.73 Yeah. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 848.5 849.21 Or laughing. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 854.98 858.62 Ah, so you ha you you might have multiple colours? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 860.39 861.43 Sorry, didn't get that. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 858.62 860.39 Or yeah. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 858.76 859.06 Yes. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 859.08 859.78 Yep. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 859.78 860.51 That's uh 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 859.32 859.72 Yes. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 873.78 875.57 And we can change the intensity. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 868.69 871.7 Each uh LED is actually three LEDs um. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 871.7 873.78 Th uh M. G. B. LED. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 875.57 878.42 So it's already quite a rich uh feedback. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 861.82 868.69 In uh we can change inte so we have uh eight by eight uh two times LEDs. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 873.85 874.06 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 872.88 873.85 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 875.51 875.78 Alright. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 879.07 879.51 Okay. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 879.18 882.41 Once we get the hardware. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 880.94 881.97 Yeah. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 895.58 908.33 But it also a tool for us as a researcher to test uh both the interaction event we want to detect and to test the visualisation. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 916.15 930.14 And uh we will be able to process to post-process some conversation just to see what happens and to uh have these um models on feedback working when people are using the table. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 908.33 916.15 So um we will be able to edit some uh interaction rules and the visualisation uh grammar. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 881.05 882.69 Yes. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 885.34 887.63 So this table is uh two different things. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 887.63 895.58 It's uh one object that will uh g provide a feedback to the terminal users, people collaborating around uh the table. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 882.69 885.34 And just a last thing. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 892.86 893.24 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 895.51 895.72 Right. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 905.2 905.43 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 908.4 908.78 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 922.69 923 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 930.5 930.98 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 933.5 933.77 Hmm. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 937.13 938.1 So I think it was 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 937.59 938.36 No, it's quite clear. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 939.05 939.21 Mm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 941.27 946.51 So uh I guess you want to know what you could do with an array maybe? 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 946.61 947.26 Yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 947.2 948.7 Mm yes. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 948.74 949.03 Yes. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 960.86 961.29 So 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 949.03 960.86 Everything from um multi switch administration of uh audio and how you can uh analyse it, uh what information you can get out of speech and so on. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 955.13 955.37 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 957.05 957.66 Uh 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 956.87 957.05 Yes. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 961.52 961.87 Yeah. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 961.92 963.51 I have one or or two question. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 963.51 968.93 I don't know if you want to to begin with the the explanation about the the release. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 970.39 970.92 Um 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 971.33 974.62 Maybe we could summarise the question we were thinking about. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 971.75 973.78 Or yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 974.78 976.7 Yeah, it's good idea. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 976.7 978.22 Just give some questions uh 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 973.78 974.78 Yeah. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 975.69 976.66 O okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 978.42 988.25 So um I have actually two questions that are uh just practical question abo about my um my implementation now. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 988.25 989.71 Uh i 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 987.77 988 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 988.32 993.05 So basically what we want we want to know when A. is talking, B. is talking and uh 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 991.65 991.9 No. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 994.07 994.28 Right. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 994.93 996.79 Basic information we need. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1005.19 1010.94 Uh because uh what you get from from the microphones is uh a curve. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 996.43 1001.56 So and the first information is um about the the noise level. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1030.99 1033.22 So it's uh second. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1026.2 1030.99 But uh I have packets for about um uh alpha second. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1010.94 1018.33 And um a way the way uh it is implemented now uh to detect yes 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1033.22 1039.16 And uh on these packets I want to know the the sound level, the average sound level. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1018.33 1026.2 you have a uh I have packets uh for uh let's say uh this is uh this is uh not uh fixed. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1001.56 1005.19 N not the noise level, the sound level. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1039.16 1050.26 So uh the way I do it now is uh to to take uh each top of the curves' bottoms and uh just making leverage this. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1002.32 1002.56 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1010.47 1010.69 Mm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1019.61 1019.71 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1031.82 1032.2 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1038.06 1038.34 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1047.3 1047.43 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1050.61 1050.86 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1051.82 1057.07 But I don't know if it's it's not really um the best way to do it. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1057.07 1058.71 But I don't know uh if 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1058.78 1060.9 You mean the top of the wave-form? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1060.9 1061.22 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1060.55 1060.8 Yes. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1075.17 1079.67 Maybe you you know some at least a good book that's uh dealing with this stuff. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1070.16 1075.17 Give a lot of information how it is audio programming and so on works, cetera. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1061.71 1070.16 Probably it's uh it's f be a good idea if you have s two uh with um with source like uh books or web page centre. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1074.55 1074.81 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1080.3 1081.1 Oh 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1086.54 1088.42 Um I would just add something. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1088.42 1096.51 Uh we are not interested so much in sound level but uh in the level of uh the sound that corresponds to voice. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1081.06 1086.54 Maybe we can uh go through the different questions and then you can organise your own? 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1083.76 1085.08 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1085.08 1087.21 So this is this the the first question. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1084.76 1084.91 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1085.56 1085.91 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1097.67 1097.89 Hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1101.67 1104.88 Uh the filtering must be must be done before. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1097.76 1098.17 Yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1098.17 1101.67 But I think uh this is two different problems. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1105.9 1107.19 Okay, it was just a 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1105.36 1105.9 Mm-mm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1114.08 1122.51 And uh the second question was about um uh filtering and uh F. F. T. yeah, what you can get from it. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1122.51 1123.3 Uh 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1106.45 1114.08 And after that uh if you have uh a cleaned curve and you can uh just apply uh functionally. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1111.16 1111.32 Hmm. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1113.33 1113.77 Go on. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1111.68 1113.33 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1119.88 1120.19 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1123.82 1124.2 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1126.5 1129.52 And I would add uh one more. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1176.54 1180.8 So we can infer that if a sound is coming in this area, it's the same. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1140.1 1144.08 But what we are interested in is people. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1182.26 1184.16 But for the beginning it's enough. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1162.8 1166.29 Obviously we need to uh to know that it's the same people. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1180.8 1182.26 So kind of trick. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1144.08 1153.39 So the question is if someone is moving, I'm talking here, I stop talking, I'm going here, I'm talking. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1136.58 1140.1 So in po uh so no sonic points. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1166.29 1176.54 So right now our practical solution is to have one uh microphone close to um every place where people are supposed to sit. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1129.52 1136.58 It's about um because what we can uh record is uh sound uh origins. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1155.47 1162.8 If we want to uh integrate information to say these people has uh spoken seventy percent of the time in the five last minutes. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1153.39 1155.47 How to detect that it's the same people. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1126.84 1128.99 general questions. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1137.82 1138.2 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1139.93 1140.09 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1143.73 1144.02 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1149.28 1149.52 Hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1162.6 1162.98 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1176.43 1176.82 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1183.2 1185.84 Uh o yes, I will just add something. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1185.84 1186.74 Um 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1182.33 1183.2 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1205.96 1206.35 the 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1188.83 1205.96 is there a way to uh to from one uh from one stream to uh to build two streams that correspond to the the voice of one people and the voice of the second? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1198.53 1198.73 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1206.9 1207.9 Separation uh 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1205.18 1205.82 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1205.82 1206.9 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1207.97 1208.27 Yes. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1209.58 1211.79 And is possible to do this in real time. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1213.01 1213.29 Yeah. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1213.76 1214.41 That's uh 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1216.65 1223.39 And a last question that is related t uh our last if I not find another one, um 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1236.03 1243.67 If someone is staying here, but is quiet or leaving, how can we detect that someone is here but quiet? 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1243.67 1243.94 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1226.21 1236.03 About people, if someone is leaving or if someone uh maybe it would be something ev uh quite complex even for you. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1233.89 1234.17 Hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1239.43 1239.67 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1247.47 1248.02 Obviously. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1248.02 1252.18 I mean will you have a camera? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1245.11 1247.47 Well you need a camera. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1250.13 1250.69 Uh 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1247.86 1250.13 But how to integrate the information? 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1247.06 1247.86 I know. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1252.5 1253.22 No. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1253.22 1256.46 And it it this is not uh 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1252.89 1253.21 No. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1254.83 1255.56 Maybe later on. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1255.56 1255.83 But 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1253.27 1254.83 Not not yet. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1255.97 1257.26 Maybe you can detect breathing. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1258.44 1260.8 Oh, the wait and the sit. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1263.84 1266.69 Or on the table uh there should be well. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1262.05 1263.84 Yeah, that you could do. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1261.17 1262.05 Yeah. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1267.38 1270.17 Yeah, but what happens if o someone is standing then? 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1275.91 1278.79 I'm not sure we will talk too much about that today. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1273.78 1275.91 But it was just to it's a question. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1270.58 1273.78 Or putting his bag on the okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1275.18 1275.89 Okay uh 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1278.78 1282.17 a sound question. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1282.17 1283.38 Sound related question. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1283.48 1286.69 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1288.73 1289.97 But it's uh related. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1287.45 1288.73 Uh not directly. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1290.46 1290.82 Mm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1292.28 1292.77 Well 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1304.79 1308.65 So we'll be able to have line in, sorry. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1292.66 1299.65 So in a couple of days we will get this um uh the fire-wire uh box. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1299.65 1304.79 So we will we have chosen one that has eight uh line up. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1308.65 1323.56 So we will be able to plug uh up to eight uh microphones with uh jack plugs to exhale air with the possibility of extending with eight more X. L. R. uh microphone with another box. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1299.06 1299.38 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1304.29 1304.55 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1305.44 1305.85 Line in. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1315.46 1315.77 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1322.25 1325.43 So you I think Guillaume said that's optic, something like that? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1325.43 1325.85 Or 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1325.53 1326.34 Uh yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1326.34 1331 The the communication between the the extension and is uh of the. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1325.72 1325.93 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1329.61 1334.94 So you you need a different you need a microphone with um a device inside, right? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1328.05 1329.61 Okay. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1339.99 1341.31 Well uh m we have 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1335.86 1339.99 In fact uh that's uh it's another thing, this optic. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1335.45 1335.86 No, no, no. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1336.61 1337.55 Ho how does it work? 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1337.12 1337.53 No, no, no. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1337.53 1338.39 Uh okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1340.46 1348.09 So we ha we have the computer, we have the the main box with the eight line ins. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1348.09 1349.27 And it's fire-wire. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1348.34 1356.27 And there is an extension for this this uh this device connected to it uh with uh optic fibre. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1346.75 1348.34 And the fire-wire port. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1348.01 1348.35 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1352.72 1352.97 Yeah. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1354.09 1355.18 It is optic. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1356.49 1359.58 To have eight more X. L. R. if we need it. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1359.58 1361.7 But we are not sure to to buy it now. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1361.7 1362.79 But we can extend it. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1356.74 1357.02 Ye 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1359.53 1359.9 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1362.3 1362.67 Mm. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1363.12 1371.01 Actually, it's not really an extension to the first box, just an indu industry standard uh uh protocol between these two uh 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1365.87 1366.5 That's uh 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1368.59 1368.81 Hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1371.29 1374.69 It's another fire-wire or not fire-wire, but um 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1374.4 1381.55 Well well there's a special protocol to to deliver uh audio signals and uh its path through uh o um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1376.35 1376.59 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1379.33 1384.55 But concretely you would use that to get higher quality signals? 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1387.18 1388.09 Uh yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1385.31 1387.18 Yes. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1385.95 1386.53 Y that's all. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1387.1 1392.88 Well actually, just to have the the ICSLA e uh possibly to to branch ICSLA. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1387.77 1388.33 Well 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1387.17 1387.77 Yes. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1390.75 1390.99 Yeah. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1419.48 1421 So everything is open. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1399.49 1404.08 And secondly, maybe we will use this box, you know, to get uh data. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1390.77 1394.61 We are not sure about what kind of microphone we should use. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1404.08 1413.52 I don't know if in another experiment, maybe in another project, if we want to have comments of different people around the table or o elsewhere. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1397.47 1399.49 So we wanted to have open possibilities. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1413.52 1419.48 Uh getting uh having the possibility of using X. L. R. microphone could be uh uh could be neat. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1394.61 1397.47 So we wanted to uh that's a first thing. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1393.81 1394.76 Ah okay, okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1399.7 1399.82 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1413.32 1413.49 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1419.35 1419.85 Hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1425.37 1432.71 So uh just uh something very very rel I could uh even uh go to lower. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1420.33 1425.37 Be because for now uh I'm just sampling the sound that uh eight thousand. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1438.36 1445.86 But uh if I want to record the conversation with uh uh a processing after th 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1432.71 1438.36 But uh this is just to get the the s the noise, the sound level. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1432.6 1432.91 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1438.15 1438.83 And how 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1439.39 1439.65 Hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1445.55 1448.53 You mean you meant eight kilo uh sampling frequency? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1445 1445.55 Hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1448.8 1451.98 Yes, to to have a better sound quality. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1451.98 1455.18 Uh perhaps it's better to have a X. array, yeah. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1455.18 1455.9 Something like that. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1454.88 1455.1 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1456.65 1458.06 Uh we use sixteen. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1458.06 1460.01 So that's eight kilo band-width. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1463.98 1465.21 It it's not bad. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1465.21 1466.68 Uh it's quite decent. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1461.25 1463.98 Sixteen kilo uh sampling frequency. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1461.53 1461.97 Yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1465.47 1467.19 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1467.97 1468.79 Um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1471 1478.71 Mm f before answering the questions uh th there's also a point of uh precision of localization if you use an array. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1478.71 1484.46 So if you use higher frequencies you can get more precise localization. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1484.46 1485.74 But maybe you don't need it. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1477.88 1478.22 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1483.65 1486.12 Sure, sure. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1486.12 1489.75 But uh what is the the gain? 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1489.75 1491.61 In terms of uh position? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1491.79 1495.15 Uh that I can't answer directly. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1495.96 1498.37 Uh uh uh centimetres or uh more? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1499.21 1501.17 Uh it depends on your set-up, you know. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1501.17 1503.67 Um you have to test basically. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1501.39 1501.65 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1504.7 1511.39 M uh what you get is uh the real position or uh just uh the angle at which the the sound comes? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1511.55 1512.49 Um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1514.13 1517.06 Y you get uh the angle. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1522.07 1523.27 Then you also get elevation. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1526.93 1528.56 And radius is very bad. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1517.06 1522.07 The most precise one is the asymmet in the horizontal plane. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1523.27 1524.88 But it's not very precise. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1524.88 1526.93 It's more of an indication. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1516.71 1516.91 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1520.73 1520.98 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1529.05 1529.35 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1530.22 1532.48 If you use a planar geometry like this one. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1533.39 1533.93 Yes, sure. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1534.21 1535.6 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1535.6 1542.2 Um you can use multiple ones and do some um um triangulation. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1543.37 1549.42 Uh because uh there there is just um four microphones that are eight. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1542.04 1543.37 Yes. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1543.2 1543.33 Hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1551.41 1554.55 Microphones are on bottom. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1548.34 1549.63 Eight, eight. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1549.63 1551.41 These are only screws. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1554.55 1555.19 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1561.2 1572.08 But they have uh eight microphone that are uh at uh yes, the eight um the eight uh uh cor corner of uh a cube, yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1555.89 1561.2 Because uh at at T. P. F. N. there is a lab that is uh has done almost the same thing. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1555.21 1555.89 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1551.19 1551.84 Okay, yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1551.84 1555.21 Okay, but there are in uh in a plan. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1560.88 1561.15 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1571.63 1572.01 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1570.97 1571.63 A cube? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1573.51 1579.36 Yeah, then you might get uh better direction in elevation. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1582.1 1583.87 Um no. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1583.87 1584.8 So 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1579.36 1582.1 But I'm not sure it's really relevant. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1581.71 1583.12 No, we are not very interested in. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1583.89 1591.06 But uh what is could be relevant, it's not uh almost it's not always the case with the the um 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1582.28 1583.89 The elevation, no. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1583.34 1583.73 No. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1591.36 1593.14 Uh if people move forward, yeah. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1592.89 1597.33 Yes, the the position, the the radius of the 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1599.03 1605.55 Th then the r the problem is not the geometry, it's the um I you need more than one basically. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1597.37 1599.03 Ah, the radius? 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1598.82 1600.07 Yes, it could be. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1606.14 1606.84 Yes, okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1607.3 1609.01 With one you will only get direction. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1609.69 1611.04 More than one 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1610.74 1612.57 Microphone array. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1612.57 1613.84 So 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1612.77 1621.95 Because um because i the um the distance between the the microphone is too uh is too low to 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1612.55 1612.77 Yes. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1613.44 1613.79 Uh-huh. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1619.26 1619.98 Mm-mm mm-mm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1619.76 1619.93 Mm. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1621.78 1622.3 Okay. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1642.53 1642.62 Or 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1641.09 1642.53 Would it work as well? 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1621.88 1627.39 Well uh so you say this one already works to uh to tell the the direction. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1627.39 1634.13 Um would it also work if you placed uh the microphones at at the border of the table? 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1634.13 1636.94 You see, now you you have it quite central. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1636.94 1641.09 And uh what happens if if you put them here on around the table? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1626.21 1627.23 Direction, yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1633.68 1634.65 Um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1636.49 1636.78 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1668.82 1670.44 But um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1665.54 1668.82 Unless people put something on the microphone. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1652.47 1659.22 More uh this is not a good example but we have like a box, just bring the box and put it. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1642.9 1644.21 It's a different option, yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1644.21 1652.47 Um we haven't tried that because we are not going to have the special kind of table. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1659.22 1662.7 So it uh we could not consider that. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1662.7 1665.54 But in your case it could be interesting, yeah. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1646.99 1647.67 Or 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1645.85 1646.99 You just didn't try? 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1652.17 1652.49 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1652.31 1652.45 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1658.96 1659.27 Yeah. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1662.57 1663.67 Yeah, it is clear, this. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1667.9 1668.37 Yes, sure. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1670.53 1674.32 They won't have nice light uh lighting on in front of them. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1675.85 1677.75 they would maybe careful. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1675.88 1676.2 Yeah. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1675.97 1686.29 Yes, but I think the the most relevant part is the um the other uh the hardware that synchronize the microphones and that. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1676.16 1676.41 No. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1686.46 1687.67 Right. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1687.67 1693.28 But that I'm I think after the meeting we can go and talk to Olivier about that. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1693.28 1695.25 I'm not the person for hardware. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1687.73 1688.01 But 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1692.35 1692.67 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1692.87 1693.16 Yes. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1693.09 1693.63 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1695.61 1695.8 No. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1699.98 1702.59 And uh I don't know how they are. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1695.85 1699.98 So maybe w uh you could present a different work uh you have done. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1699.12 1699.4 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1703.13 1707.15 Yeah, I'll t I'll try to present uh I guess it corresponds to your questions. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1708.63 1712.69 So you told us it was different pieces, more than one integrated device. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1710.71 1710.98 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1722.5 1725.78 Currently you're thresholding the t maximum of your wave-form, right. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1715.72 1722.5 Um you asked about how to detect um activity. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1712.41 1715.72 So the the lowest layer would be the first two questions. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1722.55 1722.84 Yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1727.73 1729.91 The the average on the on the packets. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1726.36 1727.73 Mm not maximum. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1731.47 1733.09 And you're looking for a peak. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1730.04 1731.47 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1729.13 1730.04 Ah, ah. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1729.14 1729.65 Oh uh 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1744.64 1753.38 Then the next uh local minimum and uh taking this uh this range, doing average on it. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1734.03 1743.69 Uh yes, the the I take the the b I g when I go up to the the curve uh I'm uh on the at the local maximum. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1743.69 1744.64 I take it. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1735.26 1735.45 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1740.21 1740.38 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1743.28 1743.52 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1746.63 1747 Hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1750.24 1750.71 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1751.13 1755.52 What would be the d difference between detecting the average or detecting the maximum? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1756.51 1757.42 Uh 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1757.31 1757.64 Yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1758.89 1759.4 Difference. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1761.05 1761.88 What is the difference? 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1758.98 1761.05 What what would be the difference? 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1761.47 1764.53 Difference is uh is that if I just uh 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1764.59 1766.06 It's a kind of filtering already? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1767.44 1768.83 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1788.84 1790.03 So um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1785.12 1788.84 We don't use the wave-form, the raw wave-form. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1782.33 1785.12 We use F. F. T. to do detection. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1766.44 1767.44 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1774.38 1782.33 So um the approach we're taking here is to answer both questions the same time. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1768.83 1774.38 And your second question uh was about F. F. T., what can be done with F. F. T. . 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1766.54 1767.39 Mm yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1773.11 1773.37 Yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1785.37 1785.69 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1789.04 1792.69 A you have uh you have fifteen implementations. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1792.69 1792.94 Uh 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1800.71 1801.43 Sixteen. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1793.32 1800.71 We split um we split the signal in small frames, like sixteen millisecond. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1797.98 1798.36 Yes. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1801.66 1801.97 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1800.15 1801.66 Sixty? 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1800.19 1800.5 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1801.78 1802.25 Sixteen. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1803.07 1809.57 Um each frame is taking thirty two millisecond of signal, just to give an idea. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1809.57 1814.83 And there is a one frame every sixteen millisecond, and they overlap of fifty percent. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1809.68 1810.23 again. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1812.9 1813.18 Uh-huh. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1815.48 1815.89 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1817.67 1818.58 Um 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1818.78 1822.74 So it's thirty two millisecond frames taken each 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1821.61 1822.74 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1822.74 1823.81 Each sixteen millisecond. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1826.71 1827.75 Well th these are details. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1827.75 1831.17 It's just to give an idea. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1831.17 1832.04 Um 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1832.65 1834.31 So why are you overlapping? 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1829.06 1830.82 An idea. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1830.82 1832.65 So something like that. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1836.51 1838.38 Well it's uh the the c 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1837.76 1838.78 I have a rough idea. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1838.78 1841.35 But uh what is the main interest? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1850.02 1853.91 So the beginning and the end it it i it's not crappy,
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1853.91 1861.86 it's just not very much rep represented because you apply um a window which has this shape, having window. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1861.86 1863.49 So they're very yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1840.11 1850.02 Because usually when you do F. F. T., y if I'm getting into details, but you you apply um a window to avoid effect. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1847.36 1847.76 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1851.18 1852.84 Yeah, and it's kind of crappy. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1858.31 1858.7 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1855.12 1856.6 Precise. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1856.6 1858.31 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1860.47 1861.39 Mm mm mm. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1861.39 1865.93 So you use the first and last point to detect what is between. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1866.96 1877 No, I'm saying uh when you take your signal you take one frame, you apply the window, uh and the window is simply uh coefficients you give. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1877 1882.13 And you give higher coefficient to the middle than to the extreme. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1882.13 1888.54 So if you don't do overlap y you will lose information at the beginning and the end. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1871.45 1871.78 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1879.93 1880.27 Sure. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1880.6 1880.97 Mm-mm. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1884.59 1886.02 You lose information. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1886.02 1886.25 Um. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1887.07 1887.42 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1889.13 1890.67 Okay, okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1891.19 1891.5 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1891.5 1893.1 But you don't have to do overlap. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1893.1 1894.72 I mean uh it's um 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1904.54 1913.76 there is uh something, I don't know if you know i know it, uh calls Sphinx, that is doing uh s sorry. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1895.52 1904.54 Yes, and then I just uh because uh we are using um uh an open s an open source framework to do this,
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1903.62 1903.87 Hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1910.14 1914.18 Um C. M. U., no? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1915.61 1916.57 Um uh yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1914.18 1915.61 Is it from C. M. U. ? 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1927.46 1932.99 So uh there is uh already uh an F. F. T. uh module implemented in it. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1915.6 1916.89 Yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1921.09 1927.46 And uh I just use it for the for the for the microphone and the acquisition. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1935.21 1937.89 But um 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1932.99 1935.21 I didn't test it. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1916.89 1921.09 Doing um voice recognition. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1919.98 1920.62 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1926.84 1927.3 Right. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1932.18 1932.76 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1934.68 1934.95 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1937.3 1938.47 F. F. T. is only a tool. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1945.68 1949.04 We only use the phase between the microphones. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1949.04 1949.91 Um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1938.47 1945.68 Uh um uh what we do release a phase domain analysis. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 1939.38 1939.64 Yeah. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1939.56 1939.95 Yes, sure. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1950.18 1953.15 Y yes, for the for the the position,. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1953.28 1954.73 Yeah, but also for detection. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1955.39 1956.58 Also for detection. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1957.95 1964.61 Um we have a way so um I don't think I should get into details. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1988.12 1994.1 So um the more active you are the more band-width you use. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1999.21 2001.78 And uh for the others it will random. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1956.4 1957.95 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1971.7 1983.95 And the end is um a number of uh frequency beams which are used by each person, to uh explain roughly. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2001.78 2002.93 It will be a small value. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1994.1 1999.21 So you will get a large value of band-width for people who speak. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1964.61 1968.69 But basically the beginning is your signal which you slice into frame. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1983.95 1988.12 S so when you speak, speech is wide band. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 1968.69 1971.7 You do F. F. T. on each mic. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1969.45 1969.68 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1983.9 1984.54 So you are 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1985.84 1986.23 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 1987.71 1987.95 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 1998.28 1998.69 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2003.61 2006.18 Corresponding to breath or a little noise. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2008.18 2011.32 And so uh 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2006.34 2008.18 Or just background noise. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2007.85 2008.14 'Kay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2011.33 2011.59 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2010.52 2010.85 'Kay, yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2010.85 2011.33 Sure. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2011.99 2015.19 But you're talking about the microphone array here? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2014.93 2015.65 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2039.13 2042.62 Um I think in your case you're quite interested in the location. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2022.3 2027.49 is that it's not um quite related to location. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2027.49 2039.13 So you can have um uh for one person you can have uh a high energy signal which is difficult to locate, and visa versa. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2042.62 2051.36 So I would advise to um use more uh phase domain methods. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2015.65 2022.3 'Cause one problem if you use energy based methods, which is probably more uh the thing you've been using so far 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2019.52 2019.99 Yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2026.96 2027.15 No. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2029.92 2031.21 Strong background noise. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2052.23 2053.19 So phase 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2053.33 2054.28 Um 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2053.98 2055.96 Well that's something with F. F. T. s. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2064.98 2068.08 And this is directly linked to the direction of the person. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2056.19 2062.12 Once you have the fifty, for each frequency you have uh the magnitude and the phase. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2062.12 2064.98 So you can compare the phase of the microphones. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2057.59 2058.07 Uh-huh. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2060.11 2060.98 And the phase. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2060.11 2060.6 Uh-huh. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2062.05 2062.26 Yes. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2062.42 2062.82 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2070.07 2071.11 Um 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2073.82 2076.35 Or and for this uh 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2071.75 2073.82 So the magnitude you don't really use? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2081.21 2085.21 But um maybe I'll go t to the board. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2085.21 2085.46 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2075.54 2079.77 Sometimes we use it, but not it's not the first thing we use. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2079.77 2081.21 I know it's a bit counterintuitive. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2093.15 2095.04 We more used the face than the magnitude. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2095.04 2098.03 So uh I guess the 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2083.92 2093.15 Well uh uh uh I did a speech processing uh course and I'm not sure if they a uh they also um mm learns that that. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2085.16 2085.44 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2089.02 2089.31 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2099.81 2103.33 But here it's relative phase between the microphones. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2103.33 2107.06 So uh I'll just try to um s summarise. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2095.92 2099.81 R right, for a single channel it's not very meaningful. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2103.34 2103.65 Uh-huh. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2112.83 2113.96 No? 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2113.96 2114.33 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2106.03 2112.83 Y you have to detect uh an event on one microphone and uh know when it's happened on uh on the other one. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2114.61 2122.94 Um this would be valid for uh like speech recognition with a single channel. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2122.94 2125.44 That would be a very good idea. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2125.44 2128.21 But if you choose to use multiple channels 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2112.28 2114.61 No, that's what I don't do. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2129.8 2130.34 um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2132.91 2134.17 let's say you have four of them, 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2135.8 2142.73 with F. F. T. you can just uh, as I said, l look at the phase between the microphones at a given frequency. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2143.55 2152.56 So the phase the time between uh audio signals for um for this microphone on this microph 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2150.79 2155.15 Um it is linked to this value, yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2155.15 2159.25 Uh basically the time you're mentioning is this value. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2153.94 2154.32 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2161.66 2163.63 And this is the frequency. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2163.63 2165.32 And this is an angle in radians. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2165.57 2165.81 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2166.01 2166.37 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2167.75 2171.42 So uh F. F. T. gives you a measure of these values. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2178.96 2185.11 But will give you if you look at your table, uh what we have developed here 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2174.08 2178.96 Uh this, I can point to a paper, uh I don't think this is the right place to explain everything. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2186.76 2192.39 is an approach where um th uh you divide the space in sectors. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2193.69 2193.94 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2194.36 2196.81 For example ten sectors around the table. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2196.77 2197.16 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2198.58 2199.48 And uh 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2201.21 2203.3 in each sector you will get the value. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2207.32 2207.52 No. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2204.28 2207.32 It's related to the number of microphones around. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2207.8 2211.29 It's uh application dependent. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2211.29 2213.15 For example um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2206.86 2207.8 No. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2216.07 2216.92 Well this is not. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2219.42 2222 And on this one you could have a large value. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2223.76 2225.67 On on on those ones, small values. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2227.66 2229.5 Uh these are number frequencies 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2248.94 2257.17 And it turns out that um this is quite good to do uh detection and localization at the same time. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2245.19 2248.94 or I am occupying in this direction when I speak. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2236.94 2245.19 So to conclude what we are doing is uh we estimate how much of the frequency spectrum you are occupying when you speak 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2231.46 2236.94 which we estimate with several steps from these measures. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2248.34 2248.67 Okay. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2248.56 2248.69 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2258.83 2259.12 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2258.91 2265.32 Bec because you know in a sector space there is uh uh this much activity. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2265.91 2266.25 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2266.62 2269.11 Okay, this is a measure of the activity o okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2268.8 2270.87 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2270.87 2271.66 Um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2273.25 2279.08 more recently um I've worked on uh 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2293.17 2296.15 Once you have done this, this is can be this can be done quite quickly. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2280.67 2290.66 um prolongating this with a more precise direction evaluation to know where in the sector the person is. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2290.66 2293.17 So that uh that's not much work. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2300.69 2304.39 This it just get two sectors that are higher than others, no? 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2297.07 2300.69 And what happen uh if two person are talking at the same time? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2301.09 2301.74 Then you 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2303.23 2305.16 Yeah, y well I I use a value. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2305.16 2307.81 But then you'll get two large values. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2307.81 2308.66 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2308.66 2309.08 So 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2308.71 2315.46 And do you get something about the um distance of the guy that is talking, or just a direction? 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2309.02 2309.37 Sounds. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2314.82 2315.42 No. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2316.65 2316.85 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2315.42 2316.65 Just direction. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2316.96 2317.25 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2317.17 2318.42 Th there there is a distance. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2318.42 2321.15 But it's not very uh very effective. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2321.98 2331.35 Well, f yeah, I it's not uh i it's an inherent problem to the geometry you use. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2331.35 2338.23 You can for example, if you use another array, uh you can intersect lines of direction. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2323.17 2324.09 As as you mentioned. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2329.53 2329.96 It's 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2329.69 2330.08 Mm-mm. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2335.5 2335.86 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2338.69 2339.07 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2339.9 2351.82 And uh from from this kind of if information you can uh let's say have uh a finger print of the user to know uh if this is the same user speaking. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2351.91 2353.36 Uh 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2354.65 2355.06 So 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2356.17 2358.88 Mm maybe. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2364.62 2370.29 Classically, what you do is you extract the signal of the person. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2358.88 2364.62 Uh uh I w mm I wouldn't trust it too much. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2375.48 2380.31 They represent the number frequencies where a given person is dominant. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2384.27 2394.84 you know already when you have done this processing uh w which part of the frequencies of the spectrum um belongs to this person and to that person. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2370.29 2375.48 Um one interesting thing is that these numbers are not uh arbitrary things. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2380.31 2384.27 But when you have two of them, which might be interesting for separation 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2394.84 2396.86 And then it's easy to separate the signals. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2358.03 2359.64 Well uh uh 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2358.76 2360.52 Because the the um 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2358.38 2358.76 Not sure. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2369.76 2370.08 Okay. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2370.02 2370.35 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2387.53 2388.05 Which 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2397.48 2403.89 You mean that each person will have a specific frequency because i the way he's talking or his localization? 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2397.75 2398.07 Yeah. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2401.23 2402.8 range. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2403.78 2404.92 No, it's more than. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2405.17 2407.21 Um both. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2408.66 2408.94 Both. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2406.15 2408.66 It's a kind of uh speaking styles? 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2408.88 2409.46 No, it's uh 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2409.46 2413.71 It's it's more an instantaneous um this is still instantaneous. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2413.71 2415.23 This is for one time frame. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2416.75 2417.3 Yes, okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2417.42 2421.77 If you look at all your frequencies for example uh zero to four kilohertz, 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2423.41 2424.04 um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2425.76 2433.19 you can split it and say uh all these parts belong to person one here. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2436.26 2439.56 And uh all the other parts belong to the other person. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2436.38 2436.82 So 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2439 2440.64 This is this is a bit arbitrary. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2440.64 2447.43 Because uh perhaps uh person two will have uh some frequencies in the range of 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2448.76 2457.17 But then uh you can look statistically it wi it will be negligible um because the r of uh of the difference level. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2448.1 2448.76 That's correct. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2453.48 2453.77 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2457.56 2463.68 And if you reconstruct the stream from this uh this range, you will uh get something uh that is uh 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2463.35 2463.79 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2466.08 2474.4 And then you can do some uh maybe higher level um analysis where you get the pitch of the person or 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2463.79 2466.08 It's uh you can listen to it, yeah. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2465.61 2465.89 Okay. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2474.44 2474.79 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2488.57 2494.42 But some frequency may maybe are not used neither by uh guy the guy one or the guy two. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2474.8 2478.33 I don't really get your last uh diagram, yes. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2481.17 2488.57 Okay, so you can say that f this frequency belongs more to this person and this one more to this one? 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2478.33 2481.17 So it's at one given moment still? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2477.1 2477.58 This 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2481.62 2482.51 And this is 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2480.58 2481.62 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2487.61 2488.08 Exactly. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2492.31 2492.5 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2494.71 2497.14 Then it's uh random. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2497.14 2501.6 And that's why you get these values uh which are random. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2500.19 2501.58 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2503.83 2504.75 so you need to s 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2501.58 2503.83 maybe they are using the same frequency. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2504.85 2507.21 Yeah, but this is very rare. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2503.73 2504.85 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2513.02 2514.14 So um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2507.21 2513.02 And when it happens, one is always masking the other in practice. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2506.55 2506.85 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2510.84 2511.17 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2512.53 2512.92 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2526.31 2526.57 Uh 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2514.41 2526.31 And can you detect if someone is laughing or angry d uh there is kind of signature uh even if we can't really trust it uh uh s one hundred percent of the time. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2522.29 2522.71 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2524.58 2529.83 But uh I've I've seen quite a few papers I I've n not done it myself. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2529.83 2532.92 I'm really on the lowest level. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2532.92 2537.32 Um but uh once you have done this, as I said, 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2524.21 2524.58 No no. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2539.03 2541.25 you can uh separate the signals 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2542.78 2543.73 and um 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2545.02 2547.09 And do processing on it. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2546.21 2548.14 do do processing. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2548.14 2548.5 Uh 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2549.96 2550.34 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2554.85 2555.66 That's quite easy. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2550.73 2554.85 so uh you can get pitch, rate of speech. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2555.66 2561.83 Pitch um the uh uh timbre en Francais. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2565.54 2566.76 At least for male females. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2561.83 2565.54 Um so uh for different person this might be quite different. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2555.06 2555.46 Pitch. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2557.33 2557.83 It is pitch. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2558.09 2559.51 I'll show you this afterwards. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2560.78 2561.41 Li okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2570.69 2576.81 Like if somebody is talking very uh in a very energetic manner, it might be quite fast. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2576.81 2580.86 Uh or just energy also. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2580.86 2581.34 One 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2568.55 2570.69 And uh rate of speech. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2575.96 2576.21 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2580.81 2590.02 And you can you can um this way you can filter uh perhaps some range that are uh just very low frequencies for uh perhaps uh a noise or 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2590.02 2591.71 Yeah, also. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2591.71 2596.34 Um that might be an issue with people are bringing laptops. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2596.34 2597.39 Um 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2598.83 2600.51 The yes, the fan. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2600.66 2602.61 They will b yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2613.35 2618.23 But again, yeah, I think once you see the spectrum, if it's just pure and stable 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2602.61 2606.32 They might be detected as another another source. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2606.32 2613.35 Uh so you would have to uh classify the sources as human or machine. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2612.41 2612.77 Okay. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2619.17 2627.19 Now if you don't really detect the pitch, ch can say that uh no persons. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2619.76 2620.33 uh 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2623.83 2625.95 Also yeah, if if there's no pitch. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2627.32 2628.03 So uh 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2627.54 2634.16 Yes, but but then this this is very interesting because uh this way you can detect uh if someone is talking 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2634.16 2642.12 if someone uh has an uh some noise with uh perhaps putting his uh his cap on the on the table. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2642.12 2645.65 Perhaps if there is a laptop and uh in one position 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2630.14 2630.47 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2641.81 2642.03 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2645.74 2647.84 So all will go and be detected there. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2648.88 2650.32 And you can classif uh classify. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2650.32 2651.04 And this is 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2681.21 2689.81 So um um on top of this there's another part uh which is more linked to the tracking. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2670.97 2676.77 'Cause as soon as you do that um you exclude some of the information. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2661.25 2665.88 But for you it might be quite uh quite good, yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2676.77 2681.21 So it's better to keep it for the latest stage. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2651.84 2653.42 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2665.88 2670.97 So I've to avoid uh filtering and smoothing. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2656.9 2661.25 But for you it might be 'cause we're only interesting in getting the speech. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2653.42 2656.9 So w what you're mentioning is a pain for us. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2652.66 2653.49 Yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2653.49 2654.25 She' very good. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2662 2662.2 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2663.83 2664.11 Yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2676.27 2676.62 Yes. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2692.02 2693.82 All this was for one time frame. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2696.09 2697.32 So um 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2698.68 2705.97 And the the length of the time frame has um an inference of uh on uh which parameters 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2725.41 2732.13 Uh now in spite of that I know some people use much longer windows, which is not a problem. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2708.36 2715.51 Um in speech it's uh stationary over ten, twenty millisecond. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2715.51 2725.41 And we make a stationary assumption, a local stationary T. assumption um which allows you to use F. F. T. and blah, blah, blah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2732.13 2732.42 But 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2706.66 2708.36 Yeah, you can play with it. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2724.46 2724.77 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2732.48 2736.52 Th there i uh let's say if you use a one second window. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2736.93 2738.35 Uh it's a bit too much I think. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2738.76 2746.35 Uh the in fact the the frame lengths will be uh very uh very uh i 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2746.83 2747.82 Well if you do this. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2744.95 2746.83 It's not really meaningful. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2748.44 2748.8 Yes. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2749.23 2755.83 Uh like some very small words, like yes, they might be two hundred millisecond 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2749.44 2749.79 Somehow. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2756.94 2757.27 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2757.33 2758.78 or three hundred millisecond. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2760.63 2761.42 Um 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2762.52 2766.36 They they won't be visible on the on the wavefo okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2764.75 2768.29 Yeah, they might be blurred with uh silence. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2770.19 2770.49 Yes. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2772.81 2778.39 You you might have to play with it just to save processing time, like use slightly longer frames. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2771.15 2772.81 So yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2779.14 2785.05 But the the the the long uh the longest frame you would use would be one hundred. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2785.54 2787.12 Yeah, at m at most, yeah. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2787.38 2788.3 At most, okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2788.9 2789.64 Um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2791.97 2798.4 Simply because I've used one hundred as a minimum length of a speech word. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2798.4 2799.17 Yeah, so. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2797.39 2798.43 Okay, yes. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2797.81 2798.25 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2800.96 2801.56 Um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2803.13 2805.23 now assuming you have done this for each time, 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2807.4 2810.7 i if this is your detail or I should use a different 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2812.22 2812.61 Um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2819.41 2822.54 So asymmet is your direction in horizontal plane. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2814.07 2819.41 if this is your asymmet at each time you get a direction. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2827.04 2827.51 And 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2823.97 2827.04 Like north, south, east, west. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2822.54 2823.97 It's an angle. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2818.69 2819.26 Excuse me? 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2817.73 2818.69 What is a? 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2823.63 2823.89 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2822.49 2823.63 Uh-huh. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2826.95 2830.13 So where are you represent the phase? 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2825.64 2826.95 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2844.95 2849.61 And it's also possible to give a more precise direction quite quickly. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2829.57 2834.62 No no, of this is uh really different. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2829.12 2829.57 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2834.62 2844.95 I'm just saying that uh once you have done this for a given time frame you can have a direction of the person, at least in terms of sector. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 2832.39 2835.35 Mm thanks. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2832.9 2833.22 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2838.67 2839.11 Uh-huh. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2837.32 2838.67 Uh-huh. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2841.52 2841.87 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2844.53 2844.89 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2851.67 2855.4 So uh this was kind of the lowest layer. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2855.87 2856.23 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2860.73 2863.99 Um if you repeat that over time 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2856.89 2860.73 Now this is a layer just above it which might interest you. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2865.42 2867.56 you will see patterns um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2869.02 2871.88 for example uh at two different locations. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2876.34 2877.72 'Kay, so you can yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2877.43 2879.99 Two different person will speak. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2879.99 2881.46 So you can cluster those. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2879.5 2879.77 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2882.12 2883.54 Enter uh when user is 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2891.54 2895.91 Um this can be done quite cheaply, yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2883.72 2891.54 And you will see that uh if it's long enough it's some significant event. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 2891.62 2892.24 Mm mm mm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2896.98 2897.79 Uh yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2902.48 2907.5 Uh you say you do the processing after uh afterwards. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2907.5 2913.66 And uh what is the the cost, yes, the the length? 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2913.66 2916.42 One one or uh bit longer? 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2897.79 2902.48 And before I forg forget it uh I have one question. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2900.23 2900.4 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2906.86 2907.23 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2910.39 2910.84 A cost. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2912.98 2913.81 Yeah, th 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2915.46 2917.58 Um well I use Matlab. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2919.67 2920.59 It's like three, four 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2917.58 2919.67 So it's not perfect. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2918.25 2918.56 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2920.19 2924.49 Yes, but Matlab is very uh very effective for uh matrices and uh 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2924.87 2925.24 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2930.26 2932.55 Especially this part. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2925.24 2930.26 But not everything is uh um simple linear. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2932.55 2938.38 It's definitely not linear because you're looking at a maximum energy in a frequency, kind of. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2929.29 2929.66 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2938.2 2938.52 Yes. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2940.51 2942.46 The most expensive part is here. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2942.46 2945.8 With Matlab I have three, four times real time. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2946.52 2946.88 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2958.32 2968.21 uh which is twenty eight, and the processing is directly um r proportional to that. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2968.21 2972.72 So um you can save on that. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2947.31 2958.32 Um you can do sub-optimal processing and uh for example here I'm considering all possible pairs of microphones,
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2961.92 2962.42 Yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2964.98 2966.96 Relative, yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2966.96 2967.13 Mm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2981.84 2984.7 I don't think you really need absolutely to do that. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2977.81 2981.84 Also I I'm using all the small frames with fifty percent overlap. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2974.58 2977.81 But then you lose a little bit on precision. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2978 2978.81 Yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2984.92 2989.59 And even if you use uh four microphones to get uh not good. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2988.17 2990.69 It's not that good in terms of uh direction. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2991.12 2991.38 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2992.39 2993.14 Um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2994.86 2997.18 Yeah, I would be careful with that. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 2997.18 2999.42 Like five, six is uh decent. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 2996.64 2996.98 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3001.25 3002.67 Uh six I would say, yeah. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3004.02 3005.45 And eight is uh is good. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3006.21 3012.51 Eight, yeah, uh I get down now to one, two degrees uh root mean square error. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3014.08 3017.28 Uh so you might not need that. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3017.28 3018.18 That's what I mean. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3018.18 3019.47 Might not be 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3014.91 3015.98 There i yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3015.98 3016.67 But uh 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3018.45 3018.68 Yeah. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3030.83 3041.26 If there is uh an error of uh let's say uh ten, fifteen degrees and but uh it is um capable of uh seeing it as two different person. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3041.26 3043.15 There is not problems with the 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3024.41 3030.83 Because we want we really want to detect uh if th this is the same person that is speaking or not. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3020.18 3024.41 Yes, one, two degree is very very small for uh for our application. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3023.48 3024.29 Um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3027.82 3027.99 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3030.78 3031.03 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3036.19 3036.39 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3042.13 3043.2 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3044.24 3052.05 So it could be sufficient to uh, yeah, define enough sectors and 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3043.2 3044.24 Yeah. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3052.52 3058 Okay, and the number of sectors is uh is not dependent of uh the number of microphones? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3057.75 3059.06 No. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3060.41 3062.99 I use twenty degree sectors. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3059.06 3060.41 So it's arbitrary. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3056.75 3057.75 No. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3065.76 3068.69 But it's up to you. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3062.99 3065.76 Uh 'cause I had to choose a value. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3068.69 3069.4 Um 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3063.12 3063.51 Okay. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 3070.81 3082.01 otherwise it could also just rely on the frequency band separation and detect that way the different persons and th then you don't really know where around the table these. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 3070.63 3070.81 Well 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 3082.01 3082.56 But uh 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3078.58 3079.39 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3079.39 3079.66 Yeah. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3083.49 3086.26 If there is uh two two person the same sector, I see. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3083.57 3084.44 Um 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 3095.44 3095.6 Uh 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 3091.06 3095.44 But if if you place the the microphones uh n yeah. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 3088.02 3091.06 Well d depends with how you do it. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3099.04 3099.81 Um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3095.37 3099.04 It it's almost like having a lapel, yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3093.64 3095.37 So that's another way, yeah. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 3099.65 3106.09 That way you can separate where where is the the voice loud with uh or the loudest. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3102.99 3103.22 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3105.11 3108.21 I think it's not necessarily a bad idea, actually. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3108.21 3108.96 Um 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 3112.05 3112.67 But uh 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 3108.7 3112.05 Well it's quite different thing and uh you don't really get uh a name for it. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3113.49 3114.91 Well uh 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3116.61 3125.71 If you are able to calibrate your microphones um the ones who are closer to the person will get more energy. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3126.88 3127.17 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3131.03 3132.71 It's possible. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3127.49 3131.03 Um so you can compare that. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3132.71 3133.4 So 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 3132.54 3135.09 At the end it it depends a bit what you want. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 3135.09 3135.7 If you are 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3136.41 3137.13 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3137.13 3137.67 Um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3139.1 3141.16 I have experience with that. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3141.16 3141.81 Um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3143.55 3149.18 on the side I've done some single channel work which can maybe help. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3147.17 3147.37 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3150.82 3156.52 Um 'cause uh it seems to me that you are not definite on the geometry, right? 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3156.33 3157.76 No. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3158.73 3161.69 We have not uh thought a lot about it. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3157.76 3158.73 Geometry is not. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3160.49 3160.75 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3162.44 3172.87 Um m this part is quite specific to a microphone array where like they are concentrated in uh some place, like in the middle of the table. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3173.33 3173.73 Yes. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3180.27 3181.12 Is it what you say? 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3174.16 3180.27 Because if we are distributing the microphone all around the table, then we come back to the energy solution? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3177.47 3177.82 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3185.74 3186.36 Um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3180.24 3180.88 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3181.46 3185.74 But you can kind of come back to that also. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3180.88 3181.46 Yeah. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3186.05 3189.01 With the energy dissolution or with uh F. F. T. too? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3189.65 3190.95 Uh F. F. T. also. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3190.95 3191.48 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3189.9 3190.35 F. F. T. . 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3190.81 3191.13 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3193.7 3200.08 But th uh uh I think what is very important here is the synchronization of the microphones. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3200.08 3200.27 Right. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3199.21 3199.86 R right. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3199.86 3200.61 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3200.61 3203.47 It has to be as good as possible. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3228.84 3238.17 Uh but I'm trying to uh to to to see what is very important and uh what is not uh for 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3201.94 3216.08 Okay, um uh I'm speaking about it because uh we wanted uh to do this table in uh a mid-tech way, let's say a cheap way. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3218.75 3228.84 So I don't know if um uh what I've seen w on our website was uh that the this installation was uh a bit expensive. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3216.08 3218.75 To have not uh very expensive tables. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3215.46 3215.86 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3229.36 3230.58 True. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3227.68 3229.36 Yeah. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3230.01 3232.39 But there are many many things. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3232.92 3233.19 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3269.96 3274.11 Uh um might not be relevant. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3274.11 3275.98 But um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3265.23 3269.96 You can also do microphone arrays with directional microphones. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3243.33 3255.51 Um so you can uh their pattern is uh not uh the same uh depending on the direction where the person is. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3241.44 3243.33 You know no. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3237.52 3241.44 We can also consider directional microphones. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3255.51 3265.23 So for example if there was a directional microphone pointing there you would get most of my energy but less from you, et cetera. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3240.93 3241.29 Yes. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3244.78 3246.08 The difference between the 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3255.57 3256.2 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3263 3263.35 Sure. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3263.7 3264.94 Mm mm yeah. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3268.88 3271.52 Yes, sh I think you have to uh to uh 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3277.43 3282.78 You will not compare each mic with uh all the other one. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3275.99 3277.43 What would be the difference? 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3282.78 3284.96 But just comparing this one with the 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3282.96 3284.04 Uh 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3291.37 3294.78 I mean uh I don't know. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3294.78 3295.16 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3288.93 3291.37 It's it depends on what you want. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3288.24 3288.93 More or less. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3292.61 3295.35 But what are uh-uh. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3299.11 3300.89 Omni-directional? 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3290.51 3291.83 Mm okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3291.83 3292.61 Okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3295.35 3299.11 So what are this mic for instance, the electret mic. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3300.89 3301.39 Electret? 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3290.79 3292.69 It sh 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 3291.16 3294.28 I guess it's completely other approach. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 3294.28 3295.15 So uh 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3298.01 3300.86 They're o yeah, omni-directional, yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3302.37 3305.52 M uh I guess so. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3303.93 3304.21 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3310.25 3310.69 Yes. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3304.8 3310.25 These are these are um some kinds of uh and this one. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3310.69 3311 Okay. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3311.45 3312.63 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3312.63 3314.49 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3309.42 3310.25 It's the same, yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3314.49 3315.21 Quite expensive. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3310.25 3311.45 Exactly the same, yeah. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 3311.31 3312.08 Expensive? 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 3313.63 3316.6 Ca can you uh say a number? 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3314.81 3319.33 Because because uh of the quality of the the 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3313.86 3314.81 Expensive. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3318.32 3321.41 Yeah, they are um high quality mics. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3324.4 3325.02 Or uh 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3321.81 3324.4 And they are plug in the on the X. L. R. ? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3325.67 3330.31 Uh I think we can leave this question for Olivier. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3328.42 3329.76 Yes. 
IN1008 H01 MIO099 3328.73 3329.78 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3328.89 3329.86 Yes,. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3331.16 3333.79 Okay, for the our we'll we we'll uh. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3332.95 3342.56 And when you were talking about comparing energy in the case where a microphone would be distributed all around the table, uh you're comparing energy and the time delay? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3338.88 3339.1 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3344.77 3347.05 Y you would uh assume 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3343.17 3344.77 No, no. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3346.34 3351.06 Because time delay is is too short to be compared or can be neglected? 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3353.9 3355.6 The time delay is is very small. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3361.92 3364.86 But in that case it's not relevant. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3375.69 3377.07 But I have no experience with that. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3352.04 3353.9 Uh you would neglect it. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3364.86 3375.69 Um you would assume that they are roughly synchronised, not necessarily very precisely, and um compare the energy levels. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3355.6 3361.92 It it's only used for uh getting the a direction when you have a microphone array. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3361.16 3361.51 Okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3370.32 3370.56 Mm-hmm. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3377.14 3377.87 Okay, okay. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3377.87 3378.14 Yeah. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3378.94 3379.52 Um 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3381.6 3384.86 Now I don't know, you don't want to use ah, it's almost okay. 
IN1008 H00 MIO100 3385.02 3385.77 Let's have a break. 
IN1008 H03 MIO018 3386.31 3386.48 Yes. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3387.93 3388.12 Cool. 
IN1008 H02 MIO101 3386.33 3387.93 It's time. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 32.76 34.72 Okay. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 35.46 35.97 Okay. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 35.67 38.58 So b maybe I'll go back to your questions. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 38.58 39.27 Um 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 38.04 38.53 Yes. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 38.34 38.59 Mm-hmm. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 44.83 49.57 And a little bit about same people moving, with the clustering. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 44.22 44.83 Okay. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 40.6 44.22 So you were talking about the two first question? 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 42.8 43.08 Yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 44.87 45.62 Um 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 47.98 48.3 Yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 50.26 55.08 And this also um allows you to separate people. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 55.96 56.37 Uh-huh. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 57.57 66.95 Um and the questions I did not talk about was uh going from location to uh identity of the person. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 66.95 67.58 Um 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 69.98 80.73 That is quite different, you you need to use a signal you have separated and uh do the type of analysis I mentioned. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 80.73 91.7 Um from the spectrum you can transform the the magnitude spectrum and um um build model of the person. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 93.46 93.67 Mm-hmm. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 93.65 94.13 Um 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 97.24 103.74 Don't ask me how it's done I I know the theory, so, yeah. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 94.09 97.24 Or actually look at the pitch, no? 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 94.42 95.11 So this one. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 98.1 98.83 But pitch is 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 96.04 98.1 Yeah, pitch at least. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 100.55 103.77 Pitch isn't is not enough sometimes. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 103.42 108.49 Actually uh you can t perhaps just uh just 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 105.82 107.67 Isn't it the pitch and the frequency? 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 107.67 111.34 The base frequency of the 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 111.6 115.29 It's a frequency of your vibration here. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 115.29 116.09 Uh 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 109.54 111.6 I it's a frequency, yeah, yeah. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 115.42 119.11 Th there is one frequency that is the base from for uh 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 119.12 122.62 And then it's transformed through the mouth, that's the usual model. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 118.34 119.12 Yeah. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 123.01 129.72 And if you have both you can um well, you can compare this to to one stored and so get out uh which person it is. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 129.72 130 Pardon? 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 123.06 123.38 Okay. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 129.8 132.33 Mm the pitch and uh and the freque 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 128.13 129.8 Both. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 131.41 131.63 What? 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 133.08 137.55 And uh well, the things that make the sou the voice. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 136.61 139.69 Okay, s and you can measure measure that? 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 139.69 140.4 Or 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 136.63 136.96 Yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 147.69 152.68 So again, F. F. T. is useful to do this type of analysis. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 139.69 147.69 I yeah, um it's not necessarily done explicitly, but it's equivalent to that, yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 152.68 153.48 Um 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 139.99 140.22 Yeah. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 161.06 164.81 And the way you transform it uh v by the mouth? 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 152.63 161.06 I'm sorry, I didn't really get the point of comparing the pitch the pitch is the is the frequency that is okay. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 164.81 166.22 You were comparing what with what? 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 157.97 160.47 Yeah, but it's quite personal. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 160.47 161.13 Uh 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 163.99 164.23 Yeah. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 170.76 175.81 and that's that's really uh unique for ev well almost unique for every person, so. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 165.32 170.76 And and the the holes in your head, everything, the the nose and so on,
IN1009 H02 MIO101 169.56 170.65 Uh-huh, okay, okay. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 170.45 170.63 Yeah. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 172.33 173.11 So uh 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 175.13 177.95 And you were talking about comparing what with what? 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 185.87 190.61 uh y you can use this information to compare to to to the frames here. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 178.1 185.87 Well once you get this information, your frequency and uh your vocal contract or how it's called 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 183.89 184.82 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 185.94 186.16 Okay. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 189.56 193.99 But you want to have the information because the the mouth, you move it. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 194.8 197.58 It it's an information equivalent to that. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 197.58 204.51 It's maybe n you don't need to do the whole uh complicated modelling, but 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 194.95 195.66 No, but 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 204.26 207.97 To scan t all the user. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 206.18 207.32 No no no no. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 207.32 213.54 That that that everything is done through through the voice here, you take a voice of someone, and then you can get out this information,
IN1009 H01 MIO099 213.54 221.42 it's it's not p it's clear it's not perfect, but s it's enough to to to use it for for different purposes and uh 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 207.18 207.44 No, no. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 211.82 212.19 Okay. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 219.59 226.2 Okay, so you have the p the pitch and you have information about the voice dynamic or 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 230.72 236.74 Um how fast you speak, that's quite personal also. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 236.74 242.13 But it varies over time, um depending on emotion. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 242.13 244.87 That also might be interesting for you, detecting emotion. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 226.2 230.72 Yeah, rate of speech is also possibility. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 229.99 230.34 Okay. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 240.51 241.05 Mm mm mm. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 247.86 251.56 If you are saying oh yeah yeah we should 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 245.32 247.86 Emotion, the involvement in a discussion. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 247.35 247.97 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 249.06 254.85 And us yeah, yeah, so these measures are a way to quantify that. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 256.14 256.56 Okay. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 256.23 260.11 And i is it uh expensive to do, 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 260.41 261.38 In C. P. U. you mean? 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 264.95 265.18 Actual 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 260.56 264.95 Um not not that, well uh as far as I know. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 263.49 264.39 No, no it's not. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 260.56 263.49 Uh p no. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 264.49 269.91 But in fact if y you speak of uh a lot of things that are not expensive, at the end you have uh something that is. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 275.6 282.43 So your decision can be for example uh who is it, or if the person moved,
IN1009 H03 MIO018 290.92 299.29 Uh you will need to build statistical models of um the person identity using these measures. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 266.48 275.6 What w w what is m what is more expensive is to um take the decision finally. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 299.29 303.79 So the ones um he mentioned um 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 282.43 290.92 which is probably the most complicated thing, like the person goes away, then comes back ten minutes later, sits at a different place. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 305.58 307.63 I don't know if you're familiar with that. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 312.89 316.31 It's more or less used this to compress audio. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 316.31 318.89 I have to I want to check it, I can show it you afterwards. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 309.19 312.89 I thi um well it's it's not a technology s yeah. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 307.79 309.19 Is it called P. C. M. ? 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 313 313.58 Yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 315.85 316.14 Yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 319.64 320.42 So um 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 320.77 321.73 Not really familiar. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 332.96 343.8 I should reread what I signed there so. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 322.92 332.96 well I did a course about it, but uh I shouldn't say it too loud, because um the professor is working here at IDIAP. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 323.44 323.73 No. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 324.19 327.1 Hmm. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 327.1 328.73 Okay, so you are the expert. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 325.98 326.14 Hmm. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 332.54 339.91 Yeah. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 336.09 337.48 Careful, you are recorded. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 339.69 340.41 Okay. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 342.12 342.56 S 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 343 345.85 Okay, so all this stuff is done from the F. F. T. . 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 346.18 346.47 Yeah. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 347.45 350.18 So you have to do F. F. T., because otherwise 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 350.2 352.7 Also location to identity. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 352.7 354.32 Uh 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 354.74 362.76 All I was saying is that these different measures are a way to uh evaluate the identity of the person. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 373.8 374.95 It's just a location. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 362.76 373.8 So if with location all you can do is extract segments of speech, for example, but it will not tell you that these are the same person. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 357.91 358.27 Mm-hmm. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 361.19 361.49 Okay. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 362.38 362.61 Mm-hmm. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 369.09 369.41 Mm-hmm. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 374.79 381.47 But to get a cluster the location that is uh a place where uh noise is regularly coming from. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 377.37 377.78 Yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 379.28 379.43 Yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 381.6 390.08 Yeah, so that might be good for example for ten minutes, but then the person might move, or a different person might come. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 385.61 386.01 Mm-hmm. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 387.99 388.52 Mm mm mm. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 390.44 395.24 But for instance for a setting like uh here it would be enough, because we are not moving. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 393.27 393.55 Yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 395.27 396.38 It is. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 396.38 399.96 Well, unless sometimes somebody goes there or yeah. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 399.52 401.2 Okay, right. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 401.2 407.49 But we are uh targeting a place where we don't know i where it will be more flexible 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 407.49 413.13 so we need more than just uh location if we want to uh 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 400.65 401.19 Yes. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 407.79 408.14 Yeah. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 414.24 415.13 Yes, but it 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 414.72 424.02 Well uh it I'm even not sure if it's that important to know which person is talking, because uh if uh if it I think about a table 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 424.02 426.47 or so something uh physical,
IN1009 H01 MIO099 426.47 435.21 uh you just want to know in in which corner of the table uh speech is coming and not uh which person produced the speech, so. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 415.94 416.16 Mm-hmm. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 424.54 424.85 Mm-mm. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 426.28 426.47 Yeah. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 431.09 432.02 Maybe just 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 430.46 431.09 I agree. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 430.8 431.89 I it it is im 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 433.39 433.58 Yeah. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 439.22 450.59 Because uh if you say uh let's say uh w how much the person um have spoken over the the five last minutes, uh 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 434.34 439.22 It i it yes, it is important for detecting patterns. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 440.91 441.28 Yeah. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 449.76 455.45 Yeah, but it's not really related to the ah, yeah, I see it's uh you need a bit both uh 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 452.47 454 So it hmm. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 454.36 456.31 Uh if someone come and yes. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 456.54 460.82 But that you can do with location, if it's only on the short term. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 461.43 463.94 Yes, yes. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 463.94 464.08 Y 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 462.89 467.47 I think it may it may be okay, but it depends how long 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 468.36 475.28 I would say you might use these measures in a simple way if you do it uh on-line. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 484.24 486.21 So there you might want to use a 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 475.28 478.49 Like um to give feedback. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 478.49 484.24 But uh you you mentioned that another side of your project is also to analyse off-line. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 466.1 468.36 On on the off-line yeah. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 483.64 483.81 Hmm. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 486.47 489.5 This is uh mm. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 494.88 503.57 and his software is precisely to do that to um cluster at uh another level,
IN1009 H03 MIO018 511.88 515.95 Y no, from the these measures, pitch, etcetera. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 488.28 494.88 We had a student here, he finished uh one or two years ago, but he left his software 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 503.57 511.88 to cluster these small clusters of speech, uh group them by person automatically. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 510.48 511.83 From th from the location. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 514.62 514.98 Oh. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 517.7 519.54 Okay. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 519.54 526.9 So i uh this is only based on uh you give uh the spectrum and uh uh okay. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 517.79 518.84 So um 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 518.87 519.36 Sound. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 525.66 527.54 Yeah, exactly. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 543.47 552.29 I'm hoping to have enough time to try um doing that before I finish my thesis. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 535.58 543.47 possibly off-line, you can uh group them into um a speech segment. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 552.29 559.82 Um so if I manage to do some um uh practically usable software, I'll tell you. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 527.54 535.58 So I would say from location at the lower level you can get small parts of speech, and then at the next level,
IN1009 H00 MIO100 533.71 533.91 Mm-hmm. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 551.35 551.61 Yes. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 560.74 562.33 When are you planning to finish your 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 560.14 560.74 Mm-hmm. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 562.48 565.09 Uh in five, six months, abou approximately. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 564.07 564.57 Okay. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 566.52 569.02 But uh the last ones are always the 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 570.6 572.05 More extensible. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 572.85 574.33 Mm not really. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 575.72 577.29 More busy I would say. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 576.6 576.85 Mm. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 576.76 577.17 Mm yes. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 579.46 579.65 Yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 581.73 589.91 So you said you want to do separation, um but ex exactly, yeah. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 595.5 600.7 Or to detect that someone is more that was not talking before is talking now. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 587.72 595.5 I don't know how mu maybe we would be more interested to know that it's not the same people, more than knowing that it's the same people. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 593.24 593.45 Yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 595.48 595.83 Okay. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 600.95 601.26 Okay. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 633.73 638.57 So uh we might add there a lot of uh features. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 601.79 611.9 Hmm uh I I said uh we want t to know to um to do separation just because of the voice recognition. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 611.9 619.79 I mm this is not the yes. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 619.79 627.23 Yes, no, but but in fact we have uh yes, we are designing uh a noise sensitive table just f from your ring 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 627.23 633.73 but we are also designing uh a prototype um to analyse the conversations. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 611.88 613.33 Ah, you want to do voice recognition. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 615.35 617.24 You might want. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 617.24 617.5 Okay. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 616.22 621.24 You might might want to do. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 616.65 617.17 Yes. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 633.15 633.46 Okay. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 636.44 636.66 Yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 645.61 646.29 Um 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 640 645.61 So yeah, once you have locations it's not a big problem. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 663.29 663.57 Okay. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 644.8 645.91 Okay. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 656.07 663.29 uh I don't know if uh voice recognition of an uh such a stream is uh real. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 645.91 656.07 And uh I don't know, perhaps uh perhaps if you have two people speaking uh speaking uh at the same time 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 655.33 655.55 Mm-hmm. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 661.33 664 No no, you should separate them first, yeah, yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 665.76 666.25 So 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 666.61 669.53 Yes, so that's fine. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 670.1 674.67 So the type of things I presented can lead to separation. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 672.69 672.92 Mm-hmm. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 675.08 675.36 Sure. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 676.39 679.61 Um it's only a very small step to add. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 682.12 686.11 Yes, it's not um every important feature for now, but 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 686.23 686.8 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 688.46 699.82 Although it might be, if you want to um ex extract these features like pitch and uh rate of speech, or energy simply, from each person. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 712.65 719.59 So even if you don't want to recognise a speech fully, at least um you need yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 704.02 712.65 'Cause quite often people uh don't realise that they talk at the same time, um interrupt each other. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 699.82 704.02 Um you might have to do some ba basic separation. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 700.1 700.44 Mm. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 703.61 703.8 Mm-hmm. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 711.89 712.04 Mm. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 712.16 712.58 Yes. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 717.79 719.15 You need to separate it. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 727.82 729.58 Um I don't remember. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 721.17 727.82 And uh uh another what uh. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 731.28 732.8 It's okay. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 735.56 736.75 Yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 732.8 735.56 You can email later. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 736.75 737.41 Um 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 739.39 740.15 So 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 739.71 739.96 Okay. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 740.63 742.97 Yes, also uh to to extract the context. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 743.89 744.33 Yeah. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 756.39 756.75 Yes. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 745.14 756.39 Mm because if you know the words that are spoken, you can let's say uh someone say uh he's angry uh about the word he's seen. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 750.75 751.27 Uh 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 758.15 759.26 Yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 755.28 758.15 A semantic context, yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 753.25 755.28 Okay. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 759.26 761.82 Yeah, then mm. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 761.31 767.97 You mi you might want to add uh this kind of this is not in uh my project, but 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 762.11 764.84 That are further directions. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 767.65 770.25 No, but I think once you have the voice for a person 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 770.25 779.32 you can start to do this and uh once uh people have speech recognition or uh far enough to t 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 771.09 772.43 Yes. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 772.43 772.83 Um 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 771.61 771.78 Hmm. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 777.42 784.43 Professor was interested to know when people were talking about him. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 784.43 787.75 Ah, someone is talking about me, let's listen. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 782.31 782.81 Mm uh. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 785.01 786.17 So it's uh 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 791.85 794.89 Keyword spotting, yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 788.78 791.85 Yeah, you could detect one word, yeah. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 791.23 791.57 Yes. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 794.53 797.05 And have a special events trigger if 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 798.34 800.53 And lighting a on his office. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 802.17 803.37 So um 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 803.83 811.34 Okay, so are you done w with what you wanted to presented us uh in regards with these questions? 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 819.57 826.46 um but no, I think it's better if I just send you the link, it's probably simpler. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 811.74 819.57 Yeah, I I'll just say uh if you want I can point to um three papers,
IN1009 H03 MIO018 809.67 811.74 Yeah. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 810.79 811.53 I think so. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 820.01 820.35 Sure. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 825.37 825.65 Mm. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 824.14 825.37 The link. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 825.39 825.77 Sure. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 825.9 826.89 Mm mm. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 826.89 828.35 three papers about? 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 829.14 836.13 Uh one im is about this um sector based stuff, like uh the localisation and detection. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 834.04 834.5 Mm-hmm. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 838.42 838.8 Okay. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 839.01 845.11 One is about how to take the decision, that somebody's active or not. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 845.11 853.12 Um it sounds simple at first, you think you just put the threshold and that's it, but um the problem is uh the 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 855.47 859.13 No more time for problems. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 859.13 859.44 Okay. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 852.38 855.47 It's n no problem. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 853.03 858.29 No, it's it doesn't sound simple, but yes, you can yes. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 865.5 874.07 um the environment will be quite different, so a single fixed threshold value might be a problem. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 874.07 874.27 S 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 856.81 865.5 There's no problem, but i if you want your your system to work in different conditions, like cafeteria, library,
IN1009 H03 MIO018 855.46 856.81 It no, you can do that. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 863.21 863.6 Uh uh. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 868.34 868.6 Sure. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 874.03 881.45 Yes, in fact uh for now we are using uh a kind of calibration, but uh it's still um 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 879.07 879.43 Yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 882.01 886.07 So you can do that automatically, this kind of things. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 886.07 890.82 Um I don't know if you're doing that already, but uh 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 886.18 886.56 Yes. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 886.86 887.36 Okay. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 891.06 895.79 Yes, um uh but in fact you have to sit in front of the microphone, and it's uh yeah 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 895.79 904.24 people one speak and people two and people three and you are just uh subtracting the the level that you you kept in the other microphones. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 898.87 899.24 Okay. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 904.69 914.28 So uh I have another paper which might be interesting for that for a single channel uh calibration. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 914.28 919.01 And I've code on-line, so for this particular one. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 910.45 910.89 Okay. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 916.06 916.38 Okay. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 938.92 951.91 Um there are other ways to do it, but uh I think it's it's important because um in spontaneous speech all these words are quite small. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 951.91 957.24 So you need to do that uh adequately, yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 930.54 938.92 the clustering of the different locations over time, so that you can get small clusters of speech. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 957.24 958.64 But otherwise yeah, I'm done. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 921.04 930.54 And the last one I would say is um the clustering um to um yeah,
IN1009 H00 MIO100 936.87 937.08 Mm-hmm. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 950.65 950.85 Mm-hmm. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 954.68 955.27 Mm mm mm. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 959.85 965.36 Okay, just uh a last question, um when you mentioned it. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 979.47 980.41 Yes a. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 1003.68 1004.75 You have to consider it uh. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 1000.76 1003.68 There is a very small um interval. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 965.36 979.47 Um if I'm speaking very uh, how do you say it, um yes, I'm just speaking one word every uh every one second. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 994.47 1000.76 So you yes, you have to to reprocess to uh to say let's say yes. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 990.97 994.47 There won't be uh okay. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 980.41 990.97 Uh is the the event that is detected is um will be uh a sum of uh small parts? 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 978.99 979.18 Hmm. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 980.46 981.15 Slowly. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 991.91 993.92 Many small events basically, yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 989.94 991.91 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1006.05 1010.44 Yeah, basically uh I mean it depends uh 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 1010.89 1015.96 Because this is yes, this is one this can be considered as one interv intervention. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1017.35 1019.21 Yeah, even if somebody says just yes. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1024.04 1024.65 It might be. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1021.06 1024.04 I don't know if it's important for you or not. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 1025.08 1025.59 It might be. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 1026.78 1027.03 Might. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 1027.3 1030.14 This is not a very uh easy problem. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 1049.91 1060.62 and obviously it makes different that if someone is talking and one is replying never uh nor moving or nor having eyes open 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 1030.6 1038.52 For the first application we will do with uh prototypes, it will be more about quantity uh of speech or how long,
IN1009 H02 MIO101 1044.67 1049.91 if I'm talking and someone say yes yes yes from time to time, it show that he's participating 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 1038.52 1044.67 how much someone speak, but when we will go to final uh details,
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1036.66 1036.88 Yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1039.3 1039.68 Yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1042.55 1042.73 Hmm. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1049.54 1049.71 Yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1055.18 1058.02 Y Yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1060.75 1064.51 Yes. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1064.51 1065.07 Um 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1068.09 1075.44 So I I'll send you links some of the papers are long, but you can just um briefly look, yeah. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 1068.47 1069.02 Okay. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 1074.78 1075.6 Go through them. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 1078.47 1078.91 Okay. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1080.26 1085.26 Um we can go and see Olivier, unless you want to talk about something else. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 1085.72 1090.83 No, I think uh I think we has already have plenty to read. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 1086 1088.52 No, I think does this work, email? 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 1086.71 1087.21 I'm done. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1089.7 1089.9 Huh? 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 1090.58 1093.16 Does it work if I put in my email and uh 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1094.36 1096.97 Well, we can try. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1096.97 1098.21 But uh 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 1096.4 1096.76 Try. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 1098.49 1101.92 No, if it's not uh I guess you would have to install it and so on. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1101.96 1108.28 We have yeah, we have O. C. R., but maybe not on this computer. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1108.28 1108.48 Yeah. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 1120.84 1123.03 Yeah, you see I want too much. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 1108.22 1120.84 Uh no no no, you see uh I thought you can put in here your email address and and just uh do this and then it mails me. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1116.51 1119.99 That is good idea, yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1119.99 1120.81 It's a good idea. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 1123.13 1132.69 And the application you are using, all of them uh y every time you are using Matlab, or you are programming everything is based based on Matlab? 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1129.17 1130.83 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1133.94 1142.95 Once I I um coded the most expensive part in C. just to see so you can have a mix of both. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1133.16 1133.94 Yeah. 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1142.95 1145.46 From Matlab you call C. and back. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 1145.05 1145.35 Mm. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 1145.33 1146.65 Sure, yes. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 1146.65 1147.69 And you can code Java. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 1146.1 1148.91 And after all Matlab is also programming, so it 
IN1009 H03 MIO018 1150.09 1158.53 But the day you want to do uh on-line real time stuff nah, I wouldn't wouldn't trust it. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 1154.94 1155.94 You can choose Matlab. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 1158.99 1159.58 Mm mm mm. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 1161.6 1161.96 Mm-hmm. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 1164.07 1168.14 You have to code it uh directly to the machine. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 1162.89 1164.07 Yes, sure. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 1163.33 1163.83 Okay. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 1164.24 1164.76 So. 
IN1009 H01 MIO099 1166.86 1170.1 Thank you for the information. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 1173.58 1173.9 Hmm. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 1176.7 1179.34 My sheet is very uh filled up. 
IN1009 H00 MIO100 1185.17 1186.07 I will take yours. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 1188.21 1190.29 I'm writing so only me can read. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 1193.93 1195.79 It's uh a kind of secret language. 
IN1009 H02 MIO101 1200.47 1200.77 Okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 21.74 25.07 And it's always the other way around, that's how you put it on. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 26.45 26.8 Okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 34.51 42.06 I think the the most of the bad words are at the beginning when the people try to put in on. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 38.51 42.72 At this precise time, yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 47.22 50.03 So you start I think, right? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 47.65 48.07 Okay. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 50.91 53.46 Hmm so we all attended Interspeech, no? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 64.79 66.34 All of them, of course. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 66.34 68.65 All of them, of course. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 54.62 58.71 Yeah, so we are going to talk about the papers from Interspeech. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 58.71 64.79 This is not a good question, I think. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 57.92 64.48 So how many sessions you attended? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 64.48 66.48 I mean did you attend any any session? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 58.24 58.62 Huh. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 60.94 61.45 Whoo. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 68.78 72.31 Uh you can't attend multiple session at the same time, so. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 72.48 84.64 That's really that's really your So any general impression or feedback? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 84.64 90.12 So f for any of you it's a first conference or maybe for? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 71.34 72.48 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 90.12 97.66 No, I mean in the sense that it's uh Interspeech is really big conference for speech, so did you attend before? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 72.58 73.65 Oh yeah, that's true. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 74.38 75.91 Ah, I cannot put it. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 75.16 76.33 Okay. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 76.33 78.27 Bad answer, right? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 89.09 90.49 Oh no no, not at all. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 92.94 93.47 Like 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 95.44 97.18 Yeah, I it's not every year, right. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 98.1 102.26 Well Geneva, that's why I'm here at IDIAP, because I attended Geneva Eurospeech. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 107.53 109.21 Yeah, I see see. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 99.87 107.53 Uh, ok ok yeah, o ok yeah, so then you're hiding a you have attended before yes. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 109.21 110.22 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 102.87 103.12 Hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 111.97 114.56 So how how did you like the conference anyway? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 114.56 118.54 When in compared to to th the others, the previous one. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 111.49 111.97 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 106.45 109.07 Yeah, we met in also in I. C. S. L. P., right? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 109.07 111.49 The first time, so. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 110.64 113.18 Mm-hmm, yeah in. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 114.26 115.73 I t I 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 118.95 125 Uh I think it's quite interesting, but only annoying thing is this multiple sessions. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 143.1 149.96 So in t twenty minutes you can see at least two, three posters, and you can directly talk to people, so. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 149.96 155.27 Even I found like uh very few people in some oral presentations. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 155.27 159.36 I think most of the people are like their own posters only. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 125 132.13 And most sometimes you can't able to go to oral talk this oral presentations most of the time 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 132.13 143.1 because because like posters is you can spend a lot of time posters looking at m many posters than sitting twenty minutes for one oral presentation. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 126.6 127 I c 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 126.88 127.44 But 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 129.47 129.94 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 131.18 131.38 Hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 132.03 133.21 Why, why you cannot? 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 137.66 137.81 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 143.63 144.09 Exactly. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 142.24 143.63 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 145.78 146.01 Hmm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 149.19 149.36 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 149.94 150.48 Meet 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 154.49 154.83 Right. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 157.28 157.44 Hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 159.96 162.22 Okay, so you attended mostly posters, I guess. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 162.22 164.78 So how many presentation you you 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 162.3 163.71 But yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 162.79 169.18 Yeah, how presentations are hardly handful of like f five or more. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 169.18 169.39 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 166.11 167.35 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 172.22 173.03 It's quite good, no? 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 167.35 172.22 I liked the invited speaker um about the implant in the ear. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 172.73 174.21 He was from Australia, right? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 179.46 184.35 He's the the inventor of that implant and for for the ear I think. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 174.21 176.97 The guy yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 176.97 179.46 Uh he's very famous I think for that, right? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 171.51 172.73 Oh yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 171.87 173.2 Ah, ok. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 174.87 175.58 I think so, yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 175.32 175.95 Hmm yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 179.37 179.62 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 181.85 182.49 Ah, okay. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 193.78 196.68 It was a bit interesting, lot of arguments and 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 184.79 185.52 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 185.52 193.78 Even some panel discussions on that human speech recognition reducing gap between the A. S. R. and and H. S. R. . 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 196.96 197.26 Mm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 198.85 209.84 Yeah, b differently it's mainly the differences different approaches of engineers versus linguists or phoneticians and yeah mm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 199.46 200.66 S yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 229.44 230.43 It was com 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 211.15 218.52 I realised it were that there were panel discussions only at the place where I could see the the t t you know 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 221.88 229.44 uh but I I couldn't get no one knew where is it, what it is, where it happens and why and so forth. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 218.52 221.88 there were some boards saying that there is some panel discussion,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 221.81 222.27 Ah, okay. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 228.99 229.5 Mm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 229.41 237.63 Yeah, even the panel discussions w I think one is really held in small room, so people were really crowded. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 234.82 235.83 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 235.83 237.49 Finally I found, but 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 237.7 240.12 Hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 245.76 248.27 So how did you like Lisbon then? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 239.95 245.76 Well, this is not this speech is not restricted only to papers and these things, you know. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 245.54 245.82 Hmm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 250.21 256.75 A bit hot still, but the bea the beach nearby is quite nice, yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 256.75 259.14 You should try it, I don't know. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 261.08 262.64 Before or after, yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 248.22 250.21 No quite good uh. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 259.14 261.08 Did you go around? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 249.49 250.36 Yeah, it's 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 251.98 252.23 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 253.68 254.59 Yeah,. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 260.69 265.91 Yeah, w we went to the Costa Caparica there, with the bus. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 265.91 273.33 We we were we were supposed to take take the direct one, but we didn't. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 264.58 264.95 Okay. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 272.5 275.88 To a like Atlantic sea coast or yeah? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 270.7 272.5 So you went to a beach? 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 272.49 273.37 Yeah, 'cause I 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 284.05 286.58 Half an hour train, yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 275.22 282.39 Yeah, I stayed I stayed two days before, so uh I went you ju you just take the train, maybe that's the same, I'm not sure. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 282.39 284.05 Train north. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 287.62 289.16 West or north, I don't know uh. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 286.58 287.62 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 282.77 286 Uh it's not so far from Lisbon, half an hour, mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 281.99 282.77 Uh-huh. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 285.41 285.72 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 285.42 286.14 North? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 289.02 289.93 Uh northwest mm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 289.35 294.01 Okay, so you stayed at the at the same coast, not not you didn't go to the island,
IN1012 H02 MIO077 294.01 300.05 cross the river where where is the bridge and and then okay, so that was a different place. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 295.31 296.89 No no no, not very far. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 296.89 298.61 No no. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 298.61 299.8 It's different, yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 297.57 306.42 Ah ok we went to like far south, to Lagos and yeah, that wa uh ha yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 306.42 309.42 That was really good, those beaches are really good. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 302.74 303.01 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 303.29 306.64 Yeah, with Hamed uh Hemant and these people. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 305.94 306.33 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 309.56 309.92 Hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 309.92 310.22 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 310.79 316.08 The more south to th the hole through the water. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 322.12 324.16 Uh. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 312.33 315.51 Yeah, even dolphin in the yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 324.16 328.45 Lisbon was good, um little bit bit mm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 315.51 322.12 But the weather was really hot, the south it's more than thirty five. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 322.06 329.38 But I think Lisbon those days are pretty good, like seem to me quite not cold but still okay, like reasonable. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 321.18 322.06 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 339.25 339.58 Uh. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 330.36 335.17 Yeah, even local transport, it's it's. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 335.17 339.25 But yeah, most of the time the buses are really crowded. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 332.62 333.43 Oh yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 338.31 338.48 Hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 345.56 349.53 Yeah, it's big city, many people and 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 338.94 345.56 Yeah, I was happy to be back in Suisse after few few days it's better to be here I think. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 342.11 343.08 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 343.08 343.36 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 342.11 342.58 Huh. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 345.49 346.25 I was 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 345.55 347.46 Yeah, because it's really big city, no? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 347.46 349.17 No like. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 349.75 355.13 I was very surprised that even the trams did have a A. C. there. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 357.66 363.43 Yeah, r right, but can you imagine something like in? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 363.43 364.77 Uh it's A. C. . 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 355.13 357.66 I couldn't see it at at all. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 353.53 354.08 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 357.5 358.48 Not the old one, but yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 355.92 357.5 Those new only, right? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 363.38 367.44 Ah it's not necessary to have it, maybe. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 361.77 363.38 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 367.44 369.79 Some time, yes, but not so many days or 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 390.99 392.81 Mm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 384.38 390.99 There was a direct bus and it took them hour and a half then. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 392.81 393.1 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 367.97 384.38 it it was much better if if if you would have to spend a hour and a half that uh Hemant and the others spent while going with a ca uh with a bus to to the conference centre from from the the hotel that we were. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 366.4 367.97 Well 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 370.4 370.86 Mm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 370.86 371 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 374.39 374.54 Hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 375.78 377.72 Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 380.15 380.73 Conference. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 386.99 390.91 No, re yeah, but that's that's not good, direct bus is not good like. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 390.91 399.3 So you can go to the direct uh ce central place and then occas uh. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 386.01 386.99 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 399.3 399.84 Mm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 384.51 386.01 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 389 389.5 Well y 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 391.37 392.17 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 393.4 393.8 It's 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 394.77 396.9 We can take the tram and a train. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 396.9 399.36 It's it's all conditioned. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 399.36 399.91 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 394.91 395.71 Better to ta 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 397.16 397.61 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 397.57 405.16 Yeah, that was the right choice, but to take something which which was uh direct, in quotes. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 405.16 410.65 It was n not the f direct as anything else, but 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 403.5 405.82 The easiest way. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 403.91 404.69 Yeah, da 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 404.26 404.5 Ah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 407.23 410.58 Mm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 426.87 433.78 Yeah it's there, like I used to find bus numbers from book only. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 409.94 426.87 Uh what is the place, uh the the central I mean where we change the bus to yeah, in the yeah, maybe you can check the booklet. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 415.29 415.95 Ah, sorry. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 418.01 420.17 I don't remember the name. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 421.48 423.09 Yeah, i it's supposed to be there. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 420.17 421.48 Is it there? 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 420.3 425.75 No no no it's uh or s I'm not sure. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 425.74 431.72 Uh it sounds sounds like. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 428.87 429.79 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 428.97 430.79 Oh, you've got the s 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 460.03 469.42 So they use some approach where they tie them automatically and uh after that well,
IN1012 H03 MIO018 439.47 447.29 Onl only o one which surprised me a bit, it was uh speaker recognition I think, but it doesn't really matter. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 457.28 460.03 But then if you use a full it's too much. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 447.29 457.28 They were trying to model uh um covariance of different components for G. M. M., instead of using a diagonal. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 469.42 478.62 it's more like tying it is still full, but different um components are tied, different components of the matrix are tied. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 433.41 439.47 Yeah, originally I brought it because I marked some papers, but yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 437.58 440.46 Let's go on, this was just a 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 453.36 453.8 Of what? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 457.09 457.5 Oh, okay. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 459.68 460 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 463.77 464.29 Oh, okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 465.59 468.47 Pruning of covariance matrix. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 466.17 470.61 It's like uh in 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 478.58 480.37 But what what does it mean tied then? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 478.98 479.26 Uh-huh. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 480.91 481.37 Equal. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 482.53 483.23 Like 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 482.75 488.65 Uh yeah, but then you have to store the whole matrix and plus some extra information what is tied to what or b 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 484.23 484.61 Uh 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 493.17 498.18 and they are tied in a linear way actually, sorry, not equal, but it doesn't 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 488.54 493.17 No no, you have to store a minimum number a reduced number of parameters,
IN1012 H01 MIO097 488.58 489.56 No, I don 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 491.66 492.55 Right, mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 493.26 493.64 Yeah, but 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 507.97 510.6 Should try to reduce some parameters by tying. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 502.39 507.97 So did they reduce it's in between the direct covariance this is full covariance. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 498.05 502.39 It's like uh all the semi-tied covariance matrices or yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 500.35 501.77 Yeah, exactly, that's it uh. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 501.77 503.88 So they ju yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 502 504.6 Uh I don't know about anything like this, but 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 506.66 506.9 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 540.36 541.35 If y so. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 526.35 532.12 with diagonal G. M. M. or with this, and with this, with uh semi-tied covariance matrices 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 520.77 526.35 and and this they showed it uh without this,
IN1012 H03 MIO018 511.48 520.77 Interesting thing is that they applied it on speaker recognition, and on the features before they had three different ways to um decorrelate the features 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 532.12 540.36 it was a less much less sensitive to uh which um decorrelation procedure you choose. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 512.32 513.14 Tying. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 515.07 515.36 Oh. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 526.09 526.4 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 535.15 535.47 Uh. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 539.62 540.16 Ah, okay. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 541.28 544.79 So they obtain better results with that finally or 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 543.9 550.01 A a also better, but of course it depends on the number of of parameters you put 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 544.7 544.88 Mm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 544.07 544.7 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 546.79 546.96 But 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 548.92 549.17 Mm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 551.12 557.32 But if you compare no, if you compare it with some baseline, let's say you use just G. M. M. with diagonal covariance matrices 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 549.97 551.12 Right. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 550.19 551.58 In your tie-in. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 551.54 551.71 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 556.05 561.07 Yeah, I I think I think it was even slightly better, yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 554.58 556.05 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 561.17 561.54 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 555.64 561.17 No, I think they got good results with just using diagonals or definitely yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 560.48 565.79 A and no decorrelation before like uh 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 563.4 564.66 Maybe I can find it. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 564.11 564.94 Mm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 570.26 574.19 L. D. A. or like 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 564.94 570.26 Maybe decorrelation again they do D. C. T. or K. L. T. or they do that? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 568.52 568.97 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 568.97 570.71 Or L. D. A. is there or 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 569.25 576.02 But ooh the the main point is to to uh like make it faster, the the the decoding, or what? 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 569.74 571.44 L. D. A., yeah, L. D. A. . 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 574.96 580.35 Make it possible to use uh a full covariance matrix. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 584.27 590.89 Because once you decorrelate the data, then you don't need to have full I know,
IN1012 H01 MIO097 581.04 582.22 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 590.89 594.71 that's so that's that means that the decorrelation is not uh optimal, right? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 582.22 584.27 But but there must be the sense, right? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 594.71 597.4 So so that's the reason. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 585.62 586.22 So 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 584.54 585.62 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 585.16 588.7 Well that's possible, why why it should be i impossible? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 588.23 591.49 No, but still there is there is still ev that's why like people come 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 589.95 590.23 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 594.88 596.47 Yeah, definitely it's not optimum. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 596.47 601.79 So it's it's also like doing along along the diagonals all again. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 600.22 600.62 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 604.92 608.85 So it's completely impossible to do it with full covariance matrix? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 608.85 609.11 Why? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 610.76 620.09 It's really computationally really uh yeah so see suppose if thirty nine in te thirty nine to thirty nine for every yeah, yeah, so 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 612.35 615.7 Yeah, computationally e expensive, but 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 612.46 614.28 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 614.28 615.38 It is, yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 618.49 625.62 Of course, from the point of view of computation, but otherwise it's there's no problem, no? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 625.62 627.41 with okay. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 623.05 624.33 Uh there is a thing 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 624.63 626.44 Uh no, there there is not 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 626.17 626.41 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 632.58 633.06 But 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 626.41 632.58 Ne no problem, but if you see so many models and so many mixtures yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 629.05 629.39 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 629.29 636.65 Okay, so so here you have to choose either many many things to store and huge computation uh 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 632.39 632.61 Right. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 635.54 643.57 Yeah, thirty you can see you c you can't really like even you can't the models itself is like thirty eight times more than that, so. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 643.57 648.41 So y if you have like five megabytes or ten megabytes of models then yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 648.41 656.13 But even I think it's really bit like impossible for the really big systems I guess, like storing storing itself. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 642.65 643.54 Right, right. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 644.08 646.04 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 646.04 646.71 No. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 646.71 647.32 Uh depends. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 648.14 648.54 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 650.46 651.54 Yeah it's this one. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 653.51 653.91 So. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 670.84 671.79 More or less I think. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 668.99 670.84 And you cannot even train it, right? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 656.02 660.85 It's almost impossible for like L. V. C. aside, impossible to use it, right? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 653.91 656.02 Yeah, yeah, definitely. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 667.78 668.99 It's impossible to use it. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 660.85 664.25 You've got dimension thirty nine times thirty nine? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 665.36 667.78 So yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 664.25 665.36 Yeah? 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 653.94 656.86 It's i improved covariance modelling. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 659.77 661.79 Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, it's really ti 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 663.81 668.3 Yeah yeah, for every you're so you're to store all this thirty 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 666.92 667.21 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 669.49 669.78 No 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 667.42 669.49 So there are no results there? 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 675.02 677.27 They tried P. C. A., L. D. A., M. L. L. T. . 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 673.88 675.02 They are better, yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 670.18 673.88 No, but in the proceedings you can find them. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 670.92 671.14 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 673.43 674.02 Hmm yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 675.03 675.68 So from 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 678.02 680.18 Oh, so that's interesting. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 678.04 679.83 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 679.83 680.15 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 678.48 678.79 Uh-huh. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 690.87 692.63 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 692.63 692.89 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 681.73 690.87 I i it's not really anything new, but uh the mm they just applied that to speaker I. D. . 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 689.21 692.16 Speak uh yeah, different task and 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 693.79 694.07 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 695.9 698.12 So uh I found one paper interesting. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 699.85 706.61 Uh this is uh Vivek's paper on like variable scale feature extraction. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 725.64 732.7 and for plosives and these things you really shorter, like even around less than twenty milliseconds also. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 698.12 699.85 I think you know Vivek most of you know. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 713.12 725.64 Here he's proposing variable scale, because the fixed scale is non-optimal for it's non-optimum because like for vowels you can have m much longer,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 732.7 740.78 So he's ki proposing like this variable scale window f uh kind of online for each segment. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 706.61 713.12 Normally we use to fix it window for feature extraction, like twenty five milliseconds or thirty seconds. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 702.3 702.58 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 715.73 716.02 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 724.39 725.23 Much longer. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 727.46 727.75 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 727.68 728.54 Shorter, yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 731.85 732.4 Okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 740.98 742.12 Why it has to be online? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 742.6 750.65 Yeah mm mm you can do like you can measure and you can do but he's mm basically doing some mm likelihood ratio testing. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 750.65 759.92 So if so the main idea is like suppose you have uh one segment, so he's trying to find the stationality cautious stationality of that segment. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 748.8 749.17 Okay. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 761.5 761.77 Right. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 761.84 766.29 Like extended as as more as much as possible to keep the okay. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 777.79 780.08 Maximum is uh sixty milliseconds. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 764.09 771.7 Yeah, as much as possible like but yeah, definitely you have to assume some l uh like minimum and maximum sizes of your own 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 771.7 777.79 so he is using minimum of minimum is uh I think twe I don't twelve point five milliseconds I think. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 771.02 771.99 Of course, of course. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 772.37 774.15 Wh what is the minimum and maximum? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 780.22 781.98 So it's not so mm 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 780.5 782.93 I isn't it smaller, the minimum, no? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 783.47 784.85 So the minimum 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 784.62 786.55 Two point five milliseconds. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 784.99 787.17 Whoo. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 787.17 788.21 Yeah, it's right. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 786.72 790.46 No no, I think a minimum is twen twenty milliseconds is i yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 794.06 797.8 Twenty millis minimum is no no, de because of uh 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 790.46 794.06 Twelve point five milliseconds is kind of sift. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 791.1 791.56 From 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 789.3 791.1 Twenty milliseconds? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 791.08 795.01 This is maybe because of F. F. T. U. or these things. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 795.01 803.98 It's no not as small as as it should have been, but mayb maybe because of other processing after. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 803.98 804.18 No? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 793.54 794.32 Oh, yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 796.01 797.45 I don't know, I just 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 800.88 803.23 No, you can use mol yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 809.89 818.24 ten milliseconds means you have only eighty samples for uh and then you have refused twenty four filters, the filters won't get any samples, so. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 803.23 809.89 No, mainly because of uh M. F. C. C. computation, because yeah, it becomes really noisy, like if you s yeah,
IN1012 H02 MIO077 806.13 807.32 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 807.32 809.49 Well noisy, yes. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 806.97 807.34 Mm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 815.26 815.69 Sure. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 813.77 815.26 Right. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 813.97 814.21 Mm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 818.52 823.23 But it's not uh an intrinsic limitation, it's just because of ri yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 817.33 818.52 Yeah, okay. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 822.78 829.87 So even I I think even st uh he can find less than twenty millisecond windows also, especially for plosives uh. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 821.66 822.78 Yeah, because of computation. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 827.58 828.08 Okay. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 829.26 831.42 And the shifting is still the same, or not? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 838.78 839.78 But the problem like 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 831.63 838.78 Shifting yeah, he's using twelve point five millise yeah, shifting is almost same. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 832.73 834.02 Overlap you mean. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 833.63 835.39 O yeah, yeah, overlap. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 838.46 839.19 So 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 838.88 842.06 Uh w how do you mean to say? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 855.67 858.23 You can still keep the same frame rate. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 846.98 855.67 Is it again like uh one hundred frames, or it's less or even if you keep variable length of the frames, right? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 841.66 846.98 Like um no, how many frames per per second you do have? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 847.99 848.38 Uh 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 851.46 852.18 He 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 856.37 859.31 Yeah, he's keeping same number of frames. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 855.65 856.37 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 859.31 863.69 Uh he's using uh twelve point five yeah, twelve point five millisecond 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 869.03 872.58 right, but why do why to do it for speech recognition? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 862.25 869.03 Because I understand this would have sense for, I don't know, speech coding where you want to preserve uh or you want to encode it into less frames,
IN1012 H01 MIO097 872.58 873.82 It means that uh 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 869.24 869.6 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 873.95 875.92 Number of uh frames? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 875.92 876.8 W you want to 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 875.7 880.2 Yeah, no, wha why to keep variabl variability in the length of the frames? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 880.2 883.46 Wh why not to keep the same length, what is the 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 882.8 890.42 Actually the problem's again uh uh you see the shift is the Nyquist frequency if you compared modulation spectrum. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 909.83 918.83 keeping the f uh fix to frame size, because you're analysing your this uh segment many times. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 890.42 897.48 So again, if you change this shift, the mod the Nyquist the modulation spectrum, Nyquist frequency changes for each window. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 903.85 909.83 So but he's uh like he's he discuss I mean describing this, because even this itself is a problem,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 897.48 903.85 So if you want to do again another high-level feature extraction again, it will be problem, so. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 890 890.35 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 897.47 897.79 Right. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 919.06 920.84 Right, right, right. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 934.11 939.32 So again, this may blur some frequency transitions or yeah,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 919.25 928.22 So this shift will suppose if you find one segment of sixty milliseconds, and then you're doing this ten millisecond so every almost I think yeah,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 939.32 947.47 but the problem is again this uh bottleneck is here, like you can't change your Nyquist frequency modulation and 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 928.22 934.11 mm uh yeah, five frames y you're analysing the previ this already segment so. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 924.07 924.23 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 932.27 933.97 Right, right, right, ri right. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 937.88 939.16 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 936.73 937.88 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 939.16 939.4 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 946.45 948.12 Right, yes. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 953.53 962.94 No, well uh once he gets the frame, like from here to here, then where he advances to to start with c computation of the next frame? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 947.91 953.53 Um I have two questions, first is essentially how he's doing in that. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 953.7 953.98 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 956.25 957.56 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 957.56 957.87 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 968.31 974.93 some sam some samples, then he assume somewhere some variable and point there is a change. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 963.16 968.31 So it's so uh so the main idea is like first to take the some some window,
IN1012 H02 MIO077 968.54 969.45 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 976.03 976.32 Okay. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 976.46 979.18 So it's not n it's not symmetric necessarily? 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 979.18 979.64 'Kay. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1000.35 1003.87 he first he does the L. P. analysis and then he computes the residual 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 976.69 986.39 Then then it's not symmetric, i you can cho uh y it's basically uh too like again, do for all the samples in that gyro. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1003.87 1010.77 and he takes the residual energy of f full signal like gy gy gyro samples. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 993.46 1000.35 So th tha that is really simple, like so what he does is like so he he computes the residual 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 986.39 993.46 So then what he does is like he proposed uh like some like ratio test based on maximum likelihood. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 991.93 992.49 Okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1001.39 1003.33 Okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1003.33 1003.58 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1009.59 1015.2 Fu ok okay, so do what do you mean full? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1015.2 1020.28 Some some sub-window or the the whole ten seconds of speech or what? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1014.44 1015.73 So maybe I can 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1012.69 1014.44 The full signal. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1017.9 1018.97 The wh the whole window. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1029.65 1040.16 Yeah, then he can split that window at point N. say point N., so then you will have gyro two no, you can segment it maybe. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1020.6 1029.65 No, that's that like he assumes yeah, sixty milliseconds or something he start with, so so then he can yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1022.14 1024.33 It has to be also some somehow 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1026.11 1029.97 Okay, something longer window than the one we are speaking about, okay? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1036.2 1037.01 Uh w 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1039.58 1046.96 Okay, so you have a window and then you split it to s two parts and you shift the the point where you split it or okay. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1058.75 1063.8 But again, he assumes some initial uh sizes for these windows. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1043.57 1049.33 Yeah, so yes, he's supposed this is your p window. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1049.33 1052.25 So then you can move your like this. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1052.25 1058.75 You can move your point, so that then this will be like one and this will be second. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1054.17 1055.83 Okay, splitting point, okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1058.38 1058.64 Okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1065.03 1067.55 Okay, so basically we have two fixed points. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1066.39 1071.58 He don't start with the yeah, he don't s yeah, start with gyro sample or something. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1082.52 1090.3 So right window is should end at twelve point two, so you're to search basically in this range. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1065.77 1066.39 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1090.3 1091.01 So 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1077.33 1082.52 so so you already hear like s suppose this is full signal, you're already here. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1071.58 1077.33 He's starting with uh so the l left window is starts at twenty milliseconds,
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1071.75 1072.9 Right, yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1073.39 1074.02 Yeah, okay. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1077.16 1077.57 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1084.08 1084.58 Okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1096.99 1101.01 Then you shift to twenty five and so forth until you 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1090.66 1096.99 Okay, so once you have say one hour of speech, you start at the beginning, and first you try with twenty milliseconds. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1094.71 1095.06 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1096.76 1097.02 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1098.81 1103.27 Yeah, and then if you the maximum is sixty millisecond frame for him. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1103.27 1105.01 So if you don't find anything 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1102.96 1105.67 Okay, and and you find the point where where what? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1108.09 1112.92 Yeah, mm I know, but you start at twenty and go to sixty, but where which point do you choose? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1105.67 1108.09 Where where do you stop actually? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1108.05 1108.49 If you d 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1107.13 1108.05 Sixty milliseconds. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1124.04 1127.19 So he compute this error here. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1134.1 1138.86 So this residual letter is for full gyro samples. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1113.89 1116.15 No, the point is depending on the likelihood ratio. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1138.86 1141.92 Then there would be suppose this point is say N. . 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1127.19 1134.1 So and then he p gives some kind of in terms of this residual letter. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1116.15 1124.04 So he got so he supposed this so this is suppose se segment one, and this is segment two. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1141.92 1144.78 So gyro to N. and then like 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1116.74 1119.84 Uh okay, but which which likelihood ratio? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1124.75 1125.1 Okay. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1146.94 1150.62 So this the b basically the main he questions or here 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1150.61 1152.98 So he's maximising that or mm 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1153.08 1159.83 Yeah, he's for finding the likelihood for full frame, and then it's basically likelihood ratio test 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1159.83 1165.39 so he's comparing the likelihood of the full segment divided by the likelihood of the the sub-segments. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1159.95 1160.29 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1158.33 1159.95 Mm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1168.05 1170.25 W what is likelihood? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1164.88 1168.05 Yeah, but uh likelihood, that's something and something. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1170.07 1175.44 Likelihood of the uh like this likelihood is uh this error estimate of the residual. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1176.61 1177.08 Okay. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1185.84 1193.77 So that he's proving that power is again maximum likelihood estimate of your L. P. parameters. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1198.58 1213.21 you just need to take the error of n uh residual of this full window and then residual of energy of the sub-windows and then you can just divide them and then the only thing is like again he has to use some threshold to decide 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1178.36 1185.84 So residual power he can compare t so he after do after doing L. P. he can get a l residual and then he can compare the power of the residual. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1213.21 1215.29 that that's only the p problem. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1193.77 1198.58 So that which interesting it's you don't really need to do a lot of computation 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1180.71 1182.4 Yeah, but it has to yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1186.72 1187.28 Okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1188.84 1189.65 So it's basic 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1192.85 1193.16 Hmm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1197.68 1198.21 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1198.7 1199.2 So 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1203.05 1203.34 Right. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1207.46 1207.71 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1206.01 1207.46 Mm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1214.9 1215.44 If 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1212.28 1214.9 Yeah, but still. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1213.43 1213.96 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1232.55 1236.18 Uh you don't really need to f like fiddle with threshold a lot, so mm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1222.11 1232.55 but the and another advantage is like it's not really changing speech recognition, whatever, so not really changing because of the threshold, so. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1215.91 1222.11 He got uh he's founding something more uh around three or three point five E. S. T. optimum threshold,
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1222.07 1222.18 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1227.27 1227.61 Mm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1229.98 1230.43 Mm 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1232.23 1232.67 Okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1262.8 1277.2 So he's supposing that the whole signal won't be able to to be captured by L. P. model and that the residue would be high enough or ho wh why he's comparing the o to to the overall? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1251.09 1259.85 Because so if the whole signal was uh steady somehow and it it would be able to be modelled by L. P. model,
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1259.85 1262.8 well, then the residue will be very low. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1236.83 1242.18 Yeah, but why do the main value which are comparing to,
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1242.18 1251.09 the the the overall value or overall likelihood or whatever you call it, why he's using the whole signal for this? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1242.35 1242.58 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1246.08 1247.29 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1247.29 1247.51 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1254.2 1254.43 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1264.76 1265 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1303.83 1312.45 the coding will always be greater than the ones resulting from this analysis in two windows. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1292.19 1303.83 What they say here is like suppose if you analyse two distinct or uh this L. P. analysis in the same stationary analysis window 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1312.45 1313.76 Two stationary windows. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1289.18 1292.19 No, this is from again yeah, statistical signal processing. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1274.67 1276.85 Yeah, this is yeah, I understand. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1276.85 1289.18 This is this is the actually basically some theoretical proof, like maybe if you want threshold you can see and he's coding from uh Leven like uh. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1275.75 1276.21 Mm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1287.22 1290.74 You know, I I don't see the point of dividing over the the whole stuff. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1313.8 1317.61 Y well, sounds sounds reasonable. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1315.09 1315.42 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1315.86 1323.71 So the he's basically based on this theorem, so so what he's saying is like if you do this error 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1323.71 1329.48 it will be always greater than the mm th these errors of two stationary windows. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1320.12 1320.41 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1320.73 1321.84 I see, I see, I see. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1322.18 1322.93 Well 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1326.13 1326.42 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1341.3 1353.35 So even if it's very stationary by d um by dividing over this whole stuff, he is able to find some reasonable boundaries. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1353.35 1355.19 Um m ma makes sense um. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1330.86 1341.3 Because actually if it if if uh the whole signal would be able to be modelled by L. uh by L. P. C. then anyway he has to design some some framing. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1328.96 1330.86 Okay, that's reasonable. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1333.08 1333.5 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1341.14 1341.41 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1348.81 1349.07 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1353.21 1353.9 Yeah, probably. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1356.89 1360.98 Yeah, this maybe I think yeah, this he's getting some improvement, but 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1355.14 1356.89 Yeah yeah yeah yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1357.6 1359.63 Okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1359.63 1361.58 And 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1361.25 1364.09 How did you cope with what you mentioned some time before 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1364.09 1373.84 that if it's a very long session for each twelve point five frame you will actually get the same segment now. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1359.4 1361.25 Yeah, ho yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1373.84 1374.39 So how d 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1381.71 1384.02 Uh so he's li 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1374.35 1381.71 So he's just uh uh he's normalising the energy coefficient, because energy is really affected a lot. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1373.18 1374.35 Yeah yeah yeah yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1373.45 1373.75 Mm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1381.2 1381.77 Ah, okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1383.54 1385.68 That has to be power, not energy definitely, no? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1386.5 1395.41 Energy like, because C. gyro component like, so he's using M. F. C. C. so he's normalising the C. gyro component for this t yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1399.44 1401.07 Energy over length is power. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1396.16 1399.44 Then power, instead of energy. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1393.89 1396.16 By the length. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1390.01 1393.89 Yeah, but it has to be normalised. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1396.25 1396.56 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1402.81 1406.33 It's okay like samples, or you can see root mean square energy or something. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1399.04 1402.81 Power is again like yeah yeah yeah yeah, it's time like yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1429.05 1437.6 because does he somehow put the information about was the size about the frame to the feature vector itself or he's throwing away this framing? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1415.82 1423.97 thi this is supposed to be only for M. F. C. C. s and these easy features ah, one question I I wanted to ask before 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1408.07 1410.3 Duh duh duh duh duh. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1411.64 1415.82 So but this so two things I still don't understand,
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1410.3 1411.64 Okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1423.97 1429.05 does does he preserve within the feature vector the framing he's using finally 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1407.43 1408.07 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1416.02 1416.4 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1422.45 1422.63 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1435.74 1436.84 No, I don't think so. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1436.58 1437.71 No. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1441.92 1445.16 The sixty mil no, it i it doesn't really 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1437.71 1441.92 No, n no, you vo what you mean like the window lent. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1438.54 1440.07 There is no information. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1441.82 1450.68 Something like this, because the recogniser could be good for the recogniser to know what was the chosen framing by this extraction. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1456.8 1463.94 It really matters wh what frame shift you're using for models, like because how many he needs to use same freq 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1449.45 1456.8 Uh but I think it's he he doesn't use I guess, because uh uh then like you just you take these features and you train model, so. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1449.54 1449.7 Mm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1450.17 1450.78 Hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1456.97 1457.52 Okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1459.92 1470.37 So so it n uh it might be bad for then for the back end, it might screw up the the t speech rate or normaliser. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1475.99 1481.86 like you your window i maybe longer, so doesn't really matter like how what size window you use or not. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1487.23 1489.11 Like so. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1471.72 1475.99 like he it doesn't really depend, because suppose if you take your t case,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1468.3 1471.72 No, he will get like every ten milliseconds he get one fra one features,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1467.04 1468.3 No no, wait. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1489.11 1492.98 So it doe you can use uh thirty milliseconds or fifty millisecond window. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1481.86 1487.23 But I tell uh at every ten milliseconds whether you give some features or not really matters, no? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1489.43 1489.94 Huh. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1498.76 1501.09 Just the windows are wider oh ah, I see. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1494.3 1498.76 Oh, probably I didn't get it too, so the framing is actually equi-distant. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1501.09 1504.64 Because it would be crazy, yeah, a little bit. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1510.08 1513.04 Like if you try even models also I guess, if you change. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1513.04 1517.52 It's not only with this model, it's in spectra and shifts in deltas, because 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1498.39 1499.1 Yeah yeah yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1497.53 1498.39 Same. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1503.52 1510.08 Yeah, if you have if you're change framing, it's really I think even it's really problem, no? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1499.1 1500.58 Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1500.58 1503.52 Yeah yeah, framing it's like it's really yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1499.79 1501.29 Yeah yeah yeah, right, right, right. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1504.14 1504.8 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1506.42 1507.39 Yeah, it might be difficult. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1507.85 1510.76 Oh I see, so so it's it's like this. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1517.01 1526.36 Who knows, maybe it's possible to use it somehow, but then there is uh information about temporal information is somehow included in such yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1513.33 1517.01 Mm mm-hmm, probably. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1526.14 1528.9 If you use yeah, that becomes really 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1524.26 1526.14 Yeah, but it's really complicated I think. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1527.2 1534.39 I cannot imagine the transformation to get the modulation spectrum out of such a stuff. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1534.39 1534.82 Uh. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1526.3 1527.2 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1535.25 1537.52 But this is kind of interesting. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1534.09 1535.25 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1535.19 1536.27 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1539.87 1546.18 but I saw the algorithm I have been using even that called temporal decomposition, I don't know if you kn you know that like 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1536.27 1539.87 There is also some um like uh not paper,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1545.47 1548.21 Yeah yeah yeah, the temporal dec. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1553.67 1561.25 He's French um somewhere now in teleconference like mm I don't know where he's working, but th we were using it for uh speech coding,
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1561.25 1568.14 so we just had a speech and you had decompose a speech into such segments, temporal segments which were stationary inside. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1548.14 1553.67 Uh I don't know who propose it, I just had it from from BEAMbot for like a BEAMbot, do you know the guy? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1568.14 1577.31 And then you can more or less uh quantise those segments somehow and use it for encoding let's say, or and it worked prett yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1554.22 1554.73 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1556.46 1556.9 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1561.14 1561.64 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1567.84 1568.01 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1570.16 1570.4 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1590.21 1591.13 Uh i yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1573.76 1580.18 Yeah, first this is proposed by like uh even we read one paper in our reading group, you remember that? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1586.01 1587.54 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1572.55 1573.76 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1580.18 1584.64 I have implemented, it's quite working well, like uh yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1587.54 1590.21 Yeah, Honza is also worked for his be yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1584.64 1586.01 Mm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1580.12 1581.27 Mm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1589.12 1591.19 Yeah, yeah, exactly, uh he was using that. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1591.19 1591.4 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1581.77 1589.12 They were using like S. V. D. stuff, singular value decomposition for that and it worked pretty well, like I was surprised like. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1594.9 1596.36 If it works so well. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1591.9 1594.9 So why don't you still use it? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1594.21 1596.11 Ne he was re he was quoting 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1598.76 1602.49 Nob nobody use it for recognition stuff I think, I never heard that. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1594.5 1598.76 Oh well, it's it has been used for speech coding. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1603.14 1607.51 Yeah, but you do the speech coding, so do you still use it? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1607.51 1611.12 Why? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1603.33 1604.16 But that 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1611.79 1612.8 Maybe. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1608.34 1611.79 Yeah, that's good question. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1606.24 1608.34 No, I don't of course. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1647.06 1652.15 few segments, which can really represent whole, so maybe that's why like this may not be really 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1641.32 1647.06 Stationality is this is optimation, we want to like see some signal,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1624.35 1639.61 You're trying to segment your s signal into like discreet windows and then so but he was telling like this uh relationship between optimation and and then cautious stationality is not really obvious. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1639.61 1641.32 So stationality is again different, no? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1612.94 1624.35 Yeah, he was uh quoting that paper also, like v he was telling this uh this is kind of optimisation criteria what this temporal decomposition is doing like. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1613.47 1613.62 Mm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1616.52 1617.39 Uh. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1626.16 1626.56 Right. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1629.2 1629.51 Right. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1638.51 1638.77 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1642.3 1643.12 Yeah, that's true. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1648.62 1649.48 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1649.48 1649.77 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1653.5 1654.3 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1654.3 1654.71 That's true. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1655.17 1656.2 Uh it's interesting, this. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1656.35 1661.89 Yeah, this one yeah, he's getting some improvement n uh this is a, yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1655.61 1656.35 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1659.66 1662.65 That's important. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1683.53 1694.69 and throw away what is not that good and and th the first three three papers which are the best shou should be implemented and used from from that time onwards,
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1694.69 1704.8 like forget the all the M. F. C. C. s, because it's too old, and then start building the story on the new stuff and not 'cause it's 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1663.93 1673.46 Well there should be after each conference there should be something like ten people should sit down, read the papers, and then rank them. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1673.46 1679.89 You know, a all the all the all the similar papers within one session say sp uh focus to this topic,
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1679.89 1683.53 and say this is the best, this works slightly worse than this one 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1671.45 1672.3 All the papers. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1679.52 1680.01 Okay. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1689.31 1690.54 Many people wouldn't like it. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1686.88 1689.31 I think people wouldn't like it. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1693.03 1694.54 No no no, they again 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1700.72 1701.07 Right. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1734.31 1737.28 When really work combine these two or 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1707.07 1716.64 It takes maybe years and again uh it definitely like who will who will choose the ten papers like, and if we asked yeah,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1723.99 1734.31 like if people start implementing like some people propose something in feature level, some propose in something in model level, but these two are really independent, no? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1702.36 1707.07 But again uh, getting that ten papers is really difficult task. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1716.64 1723.99 but yeah, those things are practically kind of really but I think this kind of things what you showed I mean what you said is really good,
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1708.74 1716.21 Yeah, it is but I know, I know, uh th this is just a theory. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1709.02 1709.79 Yeah, yeah, yeah sure. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1712.73 1714.88 Exactly. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1719.65 1720.23 Because 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1727.36 1727.78 Mm yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1732.02 1735.49 Yes, and I want to yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1737.81 1744.95 And everybody's uh like uh using different training and testing data and then you don't know if like 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1735.47 1737.81 Right. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1741.13 1750.43 Yeah, especially features, like suppose if somebody come with different good features, again people st again use M. F. C. C. s 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1744 1744.32 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1748.23 1755.62 They show it works for TIMIT, but then you try to use some different databases, you see it doesn't work. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1753.33 1754.14 It looks like 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1761.75 1770.84 so so they wo they will be happy with their own features and their own scripts, so their bit rate like tend to change features every time and it's 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1754.62 1761.75 No no, it it's not really sure also, make suppose uh people you can't really force people to use same features,
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1761.31 1762.19 Yeah, sure. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1762.19 1763.52 Yeah, yeah, you can. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1767.24 1767.5 Mm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1774.23 1774.78 So. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1769.83 1774.23 Mm uh what it's a little bit what NIST is trying to do, no? 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1769.35 1769.83 Sorry. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1773.26 1775.04 Yeah, exactly, yeah yeah yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1775.04 1776.19 NIST evaluations. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1773.57 1773.86 Yeah? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1773.98 1774.21 Hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1776.28 1777.92 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1777.92 1783.5 Because to me it seems that everyone is still comparing to P. L. P. s or M. F. C. C. s,
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1783.5 1790.54 and there are so many new systems and everything is new, but it baseline is still uh t twenty years old and 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1776.67 1778.3 Yeah, bu 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1778.61 1780.21 But even NIST you can 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1793.27 1800.44 like those P. L. P. and M. F. C. C. s, because everybody knows that di it worked somehow, right, for any kind of data. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1786.63 1793.27 Yeah, but nobody you know, it's those new systems are still not general, like you know,
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1803.29 1812.35 Once somebody will come with something new, okay, he he's showing it works for some datas, but still yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1812.35 1820.44 First it's difficult to to show that it works for all all the datas, right, because it's really and 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1800.44 1803.29 That's why they're comparing to to that, so. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1788.65 1788.97 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1797.01 1797.42 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1799.9 1800.18 Yeah? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1804.55 1805.83 Uh yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1805.21 1806.22 Then 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1808.25 1812.95 So at lea especially L. V. C. S. R. in really big systems, then people 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1808.92 1811.58 No okay, so 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1816.9 1817.54 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1816.07 1816.9 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1817.54 1819.84 Because yeah, it's it's again you don't know. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1827.13 1828 Otherwise 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1819.05 1827.13 So it should be every papers then should contain all the results from NIST evaluation or some standard task then. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1825.54 1826.41 Oh. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1826.41 1831.66 No, then uh there will be only one conference in three years or something for speech, because 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1830.25 1832.93 Yeah, but then we all optimise uh on the same task. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1833.12 1836.51 Uh uh that's the other yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1834.29 1834.59 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1834.85 1838.41 So you cannot get anything new out of that after some time. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1839.86 1840.75 But again like 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1840.05 1846.23 Okay, so it could be you you would have to publish the results on this standard task,
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1846.23 1849.34 and then you could say well, I also tried on this and this 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1850.93 1858.23 No, i ideally you're correct, uh but 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1849.52 1850.93 Yeah, but then you run out of time. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1850.9 1855.98 That's so you can publish only once in three years or 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1852.9 1857.03 You know, but then then only it makes some progress, this. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1850.99 1852.9 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1858.18 1858.77 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1864.99 1872 so so what's is uh like it challenge was really good, like sup they give the database, so you have to work on that database. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1858.77 1864.99 But even people are doing suppose in Interspeech there was uh some challenge for speech synthesis,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1886.3 1896.86 People give some database and then you have to dis you can use whatever you want and you have to produce even for features also like features also I think 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1872 1881.43 What technique t use is it's your choice like, but that database and then the results analysis is they decide, so. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1881.43 1886.3 Even speech recognition also some tests are coming, like for phone segmentation or something. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1874.36 1875.5 Yeah, that's your choice. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1889.34 1889.65 Mm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1890.6 1890.82 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1892.29 1892.56 Mm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1892.51 1898.89 Yeah, but can for for example can you use from some data from from the L. T. world? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1898.89 1900.01 For training say? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1898.37 1905.76 Yeah yeah, the they they designed the data such a way that it's it's really like really real uh data. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1906.12 1909.28 Yeah, but they give you also training data or only the testing data? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1907.74 1909.73 No no, i just for 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1920.43 1926.9 At the end then they will ask you to synthesise some sentence and you have to synthesise them and then you have to send them 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1912.15 1920.43 so whether like you use for training or l you can you can do like data driven or like model based approach or whatever like. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1908.03 1912.15 No no, for s nay, speech synthesis it's like they give you some data 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1911.69 1913.86 Oh, i uh since this is only okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1929.93 1931.56 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1925.74 1929.93 Okay, so so they give you only the training or development data only? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1931.56 1931.91 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1926.57 1930.17 So yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1933.84 1934.93 I just don't know. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1930.17 1933.84 Ho how how do they how do they evaluate? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1929.16 1932.31 Your training data, onl no development, training, no yeah, training 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1929.35 1929.75 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1933.76 1939.63 Evaluate it's again subject to s uh because for speech synthes yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1939.63 1948.94 Yeah, listen and yeah d yeah, even uh they it's mostly they use native speakers only, because they can really judge well, so. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1936.92 1940.88 So they ask peop they ask people to sit and listen basically? 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1940.88 1941.38 Yeah? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1939.85 1941.89 I think so, yeah, probably, mm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1943.05 1943.27 Hmm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1946.35 1946.83 Hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1947.84 1948.09 Mm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1950.77 1957.82 But they d they don't have any measure like you have an original speech, you transcribe it and 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1949.6 1950.77 Okay. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1956.02 1957.78 Yeah, yeah yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1977.12 1983.48 So a lot of people participated in uh I think even they're continuing this for uh next year and 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1957.78 1960.43 So even they propose some kind of word error rate. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1971.29 1972.6 Uh. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1960.43 1966.34 So you have the original speech, so i the synthesised speech, is there any words which are not matching? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1966.34 1971.29 So even speech synthesis, they're also uh introduced this W. E. R. term, so. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1972.6 1977.12 But this was really quite successful like in this conference, Interspeech. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1955.11 1956.02 Yeah yeah yeah yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1966.07 1966.35 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1969.21 1971.51 Okay. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1976.82 1977.19 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1979.93 1981.26 Ri I 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1980.16 1980.43 Hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1986.53 1986.79 Right. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1983.86 1986.53 It's just T. T. S., right, text to speech? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 1984.28 1984.56 Hmm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2007.37 2015.65 it takes t six months to build and at the end you don't know whether your features are really uh so. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2015.65 2018.97 So maybe that's for like people are always using P. L. P. s or M. F. C. C. s,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1985.73 1987.1 Text to speech. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1994.19 2001.63 and on this feature extraction stuff and so at least if you make task simple focus 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2018.97 2024.55 it's it's such a b like lot of time involved, so you can't really check many thi 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 1987.1 1994.19 But uh I heard like even for I. CASSP next year there is some com uh like computation by Martin Krug, Sheffield 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2001.63 2007.37 then it may be good to compare these features and but if you s use some uh large vocabulary system 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 1994.8 1995.04 Hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 1996.64 1996.9 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2009.86 2010.02 Hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2010.25 2010.76 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2013.04 2013.6 Right, right. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2013.82 2014.19 Mm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2014.94 2015.09 Mm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2023.91 2034.78 So maybe well, but then well no, if somebody like NIST will have one recogniser and you just plug a different feature, but uh it's dangerous. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2040.6 2045.27 Almost almost like we are putting different features and I think yeah, yeah 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2053.46 2057.75 but maybe you are using twenty nine, that's for you it's different, but one more 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2033.47 2040.6 But at least in IDIAP we have this numbers recogniser is almost kind of free, so everybody is using so that's what we are doing, no? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2032.39 2033.47 Yeah, yeah yeah yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2045.27 2053.46 numbers recogniser is not really different from like uh a f at least in IDIAP we have almost same,
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2038.56 2038.81 Right. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2042.61 2042.97 Mm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2052 2052.48 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2048.51 2050.12 Hmm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2050.12 2052 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2050.42 2050.63 Uh. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2056.56 2061.73 We are a couple of people at IDIAP and there are already two s two different setups. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2055.39 2056.56 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2053.3 2055.39 Al almost. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2063.73 2066.94 Hemant and we're all using twenty seven, so. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2060.81 2063.73 But at least i twenty seven. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2066.94 2067.29 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2061.02 2064.27 Hem Hemant is using difference 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2062.19 2063.71 Are they? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2063.71 2065.78 For O. G. I. s? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2065.78 2066.94 For O. G. I. numbers? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2067.16 2069.09 Stories and numbers, or 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2069.91 2074.15 Like some people use this setup and some people that? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2068.75 2069.91 Different setups? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2081.29 2082.19 Different 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2071.82 2073.17 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2073.17 2081.29 Uh I think we use di distinct train and test set, even se the different sets of phonemes. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2072.39 2075.22 Seems 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2072.88 2073.52 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2080.58 2083.62 No, but the problem is you're using only digits, so maybe that's how you 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2085.59 2091.42 My M. L. P. s are trained on everything and uh test set is digits, yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2083.91 2085.59 Well, I don't use only digits. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2112.81 2114.19 Then at least you can see 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2092.44 2097.32 that's uh like but O. G. I. numbers are there like now we're little bit convulsed,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2103.26 2106.31 But it's better, like once you have like whatever the back end 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2087.12 2092.44 No, but test set is digits, your m main task is digits k yeah 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2097.32 2103.26 like we're using twenty seven phones and before it was like twenty four, twenty five. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2106.31 2112.81 then you can put features like whether they're gammas or like spectral entropies or M. F. C. C. s or whatever. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2091.96 2092.25 Uh-huh. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2099.71 2100.17 Hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2103.66 2106.28 So you just 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2107.83 2108 Mm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2110.79 2111.27 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2118.64 2120.98 Aur Aurora. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2120.98 2121.36 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2112.67 2118.64 Would be mm would be nice for Aurora maybe to have that. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2117.19 2118.27 But Aurora is 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2116.06 2117.19 Yeah yeah yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2116.01 2116.06 Uh? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2117.1 2118.19 For for what? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2120.02 2122.57 Aurora task. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2122.57 2128.09 So but Aurora, is it really big database, or I mean how much time it takes to set up system and then 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2120.44 2120.87 Ah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2121.87 2122.35 Oh yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2127.92 2131.06 No no, but yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2129.96 2132.35 I dunno, I I've been working with that and 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2127.94 2129.96 No, uh it's. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2141.23 2147.59 I d if we want to show noise setting, it's you have to show on Aurora also, like Aurora is real time. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2135.82 2141.23 Yeah, so again here we use triphones and so but definitely,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2131.6 2135.82 But the problem is Aurora again, these models are word based models, no? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2129.67 2131.6 It's fast, no? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2132.75 2136.19 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2135.11 2135.87 Right, yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2135.73 2136.19 Mm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2138.46 2138.63 Hmm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2141.84 2142.11 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2163.12 2166.27 Yeah, right, exactly. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2152.78 2154.44 You don't have to play with it. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2147.52 2152.78 Well, th those f recognisers are are made there or just you just use them, that's it. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2144.94 2147.52 For noise conditions, yeah, it's pretty good. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2154.44 2159.82 She even is f it was forbidden in the time, right, so you have recogniser, just use it. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2159.82 2163.12 Don't play with it You just play with the features. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2166.27 2166.63 So. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2152.55 2152.8 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2153.15 2153.41 Hmm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2159.77 2160.17 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2159.81 2162.46 Yeah, you cannot play with that. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2162.46 2164.66 Because of the voices wouldn't be comparable then. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2162.87 2163.48 But yeah 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2161.71 2162.87 Yeah, yeah yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2165.01 2174.67 Yeah, at least I mean wha those studies I think people already did for even in I. C. I. C. S. L. P. two thousand two there is special session on features for Aurora,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2174.67 2178.34 so yeah, yeah, i yeah yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2178.34 2185.11 This ICSI features and this uh s uh s uh O. G. I. features and all this. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2185.11 2196.38 So there are already people but again like uh, at the end like for L. V. C. S. R. people are using P. L. P. s or M. F. C. C. s or nothing of these fancy feature 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2171.94 2173.17 Ri right. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2171.51 2171.94 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2174.83 2176.5 Yeah, yeah, I remember. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2176.5 2177.64 With David Pearce he was. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2180.56 2182.03 Yeah yeah, exactly. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2181.77 2182.01 Uh. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2212.44 2217 But who is the one who is using these results which we publish and try to make 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2193.69 2194.03 Hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2194.03 2200.94 Because who is the one who makes who actually uses what we d try to do here? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2200.94 2208.09 These are companies or because it's not scientists, scientists just start from P. L. P. and then design the new features,
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2208.09 2212.44 new back end, or new anything, but they start from the old stuff. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2212.55 2212.75 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2214.88 2215.42 New 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2216.98 2222.16 But maybe my have a f for publishing another paper or something. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2217.77 2222.73 We are using those results more or less. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2230.62 2232.51 And those who don't? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2232.51 2237.77 They stay and publish another papers and they but they they don't turn into a life, no? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2218.86 2230.62 Yeah, but once you once you finish your P. H. D. you go and it's over. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2237.77 2238.75 into life. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2226.9 2227.11 Mm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2229.41 2230.48 Not everybody. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2227.73 2229.41 But not everybody go. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2230.48 2231.76 Many people stay, so. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2228.73 2229.9 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2244.92 2248.97 What kind of features do you use, like do you use um any you don't yeah, you don't 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2235.48 2238.59 But maybe Guillaume, you can tell, no? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2238.59 2244.92 Like uh you worked i with these Siemens people or no, Siemens or these Daimler Chrystler. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2243.39 2245.01 Yeah, Daimler, yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2251.29 2254.58 I had a hard time just to get the signals. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2247.96 2248.54 I don't know. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2248.54 2251.29 You know, they're extremely secretive. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2260.71 2260.98 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2254.58 2260.71 So I asked other questions but uh it's quite tough, yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2250.6 2253.67 Ah ok okay. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2253.67 2254.1 Okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2251.04 2251.54 Mm uh-huh. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2256.67 2257.1 Ah ok 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2266.71 2268.9 these kind of things are a bit, yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2261.16 2266.71 I didn't discuss anything with Sunil also, like I dunno, technical discussions, anything. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2268.9 2270.78 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2279.39 2281.83 Maybe yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2270.78 2279.39 But do you have any like feeling that whether they go for all these new features or they usually use only mm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2259.42 2261.16 Yeah, even s yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2265.15 2265.66 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2266.04 2266.71 Because 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2268.44 2270.32 Yeah, they have to yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2270.42 2271.23 I I won 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2274.85 2276.79 Yes. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2276.79 2279.82 I wonder which level they are using out of what is there. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2287.14 2295.64 they mostly work on dialogue management, uh but not much on features and recognition. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2278.5 2287.14 They have yeah, they have to do some test in their Mercedes, some speech recognition test, mm but it seems now they mm at least Daimler,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2289.44 2289.92 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2293.11 2293.51 Hmm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2295.52 2301.17 But even they don't believe like with one paper or two I guess, because at least for them no P. L. P. s or M. F. C. C. s,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2301.17 2307.67 they know that okay, these things work on every task, so okay, we can pu put hands on these things yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2296.73 2296.96 Hmm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2299.38 2299.78 No. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2302.15 2303.48 But exactly. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2299.84 2302.15 Yeah, sure. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2303.34 2303.83 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2304.03 2306.02 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2306.02 2307.44 I d I mm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2307.44 2310.15 I doubt they are trying right now. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2310.15 2314.03 I doubt that at Daimler they are trying right now, but maybe other companies, mm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2306.16 2306.86 They grab 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2309.44 2309.81 Hmm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2309.61 2309.87 Huh? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2313.76 2315.15 Yeah, yeah yeah yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2322.52 2328.89 But yeah, we're not sure, even Sunil won't tell us. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2315.15 2322.52 Maybe like yeah, f because Sunil is working in Nokia, he's a expert in kind of features or yeah, it l I think. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2314.69 2315.06 Hmm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2319.08 2319.55 Uh. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2319.38 2325.38 Okay, so we can hope that Nokia will be using tandem tandem P. L. P. s. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2326.28 2326.57 No. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2327.73 2329.38 Yeah, I cannot. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2329.16 2335.94 Well, many people place with Tandem, right, like M. I. T. or who is using that some not M. I. T., but somebody 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2333.02 2338.63 No, no n no, this uh Cohen, you mean like uh uh 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2343.67 2348.36 it it works for them and and they are close to like industry like uh you know,
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2337.71 2343.67 I dunno, Hynek told told us that somebody's using that um very actively, like okay 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2348.36 2353.69 there is it's a research group of I know, I don't think it's ICSI. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2353.69 2362.21 Somebody else or I don't know, somebody new uh s but I think some t somebody like A. T. and A. T. and T. or what? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2345.51 2345.98 Hmm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2349.14 2349.81 Oh ok 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2349.69 2351.53 So it's not related to ICSI. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2349.23 2349.69 Huh. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2352.96 2353.11 Huh. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2357.88 2359.92 But this was signal company, no like? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2357.82 2357.88 Uh. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2362.31 2369.04 This voice signal company, Hy Hynek always mentions uh Cohen's company with what they're using, you n yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2365.4 2365.92 Cohen? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2376.44 2377.91 For right, right. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2372.88 2374.81 No. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2374.81 2376.44 Now y oh yeah yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2368.79 2372.88 You me I don't know, he's even if Qualcomm? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2365.92 2368.79 Oh qu yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2377.91 2379.88 No, I don't know if it's 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2368.69 2370.13 Jorda Jordan Cohen. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2372.28 2374.6 Voice no no, voice signal. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2378.79 2382.42 Uh they have like really s many recognisers I guess. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2382.42 2385.23 Maybe definitely they may be using P. L. P. s or you know. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2374.6 2378.79 They make uh recognition for these Samsung phones and yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2373.15 2373.57 No no. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2378.64 2379.69 Yeah, but it was 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2381.56 2382.06 Mm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2402.69 2403.75 Or maybe traps. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2392.01 2397.92 for RASTA or whatever else, like all those decorrelations and transformations. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2384.75 2392.01 Maybe they are using P. L. P. s and but I th I believe that there is still some stuff up to yeah,
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2382.46 2384.75 Yeah, definitely. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2381.69 2382.46 Yeah, I think so. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2397.92 2402.69 I think it's there, but more or less it's again based on M. F. C. C. s or something like that. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2387.57 2392.71 Yeah RASTA or RASTA or something you mean. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2394.09 2395.79 Yeah, because mm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2392.71 2394.09 Mm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2396.88 2397.21 Hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2399.75 2399.9 Hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2408.46 2415.5 They don't use anything which is to uh too new which is not that safe. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2402.48 2408.46 Because they grab whatever is certain to work, and they they use it. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2401.78 2402.48 Hmm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2402.48 2403.32 Yeah, but again 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2414.44 2419.78 Yeah, too new is really definitely because like want to at least see i at least four 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2419.78 2424.6 five years of results of some new features and some consistent results or 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2414.44 2417.41 No, more or less I think yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2444.39 2450.5 and then only it safe to put well not twenty but it's always yeah yeah, of course. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2438.59 2444.39 not any P. four or whatever, because it's safe, it has been working for twenty years,
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2422.35 2428.57 It's like a it's like a NASA, you know, they use four, eight four, eight, six,
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2428.57 2438.59 machines to to to to put two n uh space ships, because it's it's known to work perfectly well or Pentium,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2432.35 2434.42 Uh space or ah, okay. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2430.67 2432.35 Ah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2436.91 2437.32 Right. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2446.94 2447.35 Mm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2444.55 2446.94 Yeah yeah yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2451.12 2454.96 They need that it doesn't create that much, yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2454.96 2460.61 If something happened with the machine and uh I don't kn the alloc system, it doesn't matter, right? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2447.96 2451.12 But that's different situation, because right? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2460.61 2464.05 Somebody will fix it and change it, but 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2445.26 2447.96 That's true, it's true. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2450.41 2450.88 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2452.59 2455.32 Of course. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2455.12 2456.37 But yeah, d 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2466.92 2475.22 If they want to make on mobile, they don't want really use some fancy, really expensive computationally expensive features or all these 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2460.01 2466.92 Yeah, uh another issue is like again the computational issues, no? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2463.08 2463.92 Mm yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2468.1 2468.46 Sure. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2472.94 2473.26 Mm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2473.8 2473.9 Mm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2475.46 2483.01 Hynek also told about this Cohen ce cell phone, which he was showing to to work l uh with the L. V. C. S. R. . 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2491.73 2493.8 This is just there is almo 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2483.01 2491.73 He he was saying that there is something really really uh simple, the decoder I mean, not the features, but he was mentioning something to the decoder. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2480.29 2480.92 Yeah yeah, it 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2482.82 2483.17 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2492.66 2494.59 It's just phone recognition or something like 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2498.58 2498.83 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2493.3 2498.58 Even even not Viterbi, just even something simpler. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2495.82 2501.24 Yeah, something like no D. T. W. or something, I don't know, I'm not really sure, but he mention that 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2496.17 2496.46 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2509.44 2516.8 because they don't really need to put lot of uh memory and these things, otherwise if they want to build a real 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2504.1 2509.44 All these uh so voice calling yeah, voice calling and these thing, because that's easy like,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2500.17 2504.1 But most of the time mobiles, they use D D. T. W. kind of thing, no like? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2509.81 2510.56 Yeah, sure. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2507 2507.73 Yeah? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2507.73 2509.81 Oh yeah yeah, yeah yeah, that's true. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2505.58 2507 Do you think so? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2504.48 2505.58 Uh I don't know. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2512.25 2512.54 Yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2512.79 2513.06 Mm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2517.46 2520.51 But there you could send an S. M. S. I think, or something like that. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2520.51 2525.07 Uh you could dictate text, so. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2525.07 2526.21 On a phone, yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2521.81 2522.07 Hmm? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2524.52 2525.94 Mm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2525.94 2526.32 Yeah yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2523.83 2524.52 Where where? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2522.63 2523.83 Yeah yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2523.85 2524.92 That was impressive. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2526.48 2527.91 N some new one or 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2524.36 2526.48 Even on the phone. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2527.83 2532.17 The phone that uh Cohen yeah, voice signals. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2532.12 2533.14 Oh, uh-huh. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2529.66 2532.12 From that C Cohen's? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2530.51 2531.66 Yeah, Cohen, yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2531.42 2539.58 Yeah, but it's that's a similar one to what Herve has, for example some he was showing it uh live on M. L. M. I. c last M. L. M. I. conference. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2539.58 2541.41 You can look at the video and play it uh. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2534.52 2534.79 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2543.86 2547.82 Where uh some but some which you can buy, right? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2547.82 2548.19 It's 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2539.04 2542.69 And but which uh phone it is? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2542.69 2543.86 F Samsung, something? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2542.53 2546.29 It's Samsung, some some new really new phone like, mm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2543.09 2545.48 It uh I'm not sure. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2547.78 2549.35 Yes, commercial phone. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2548.98 2551.48 But uh the software is always available or like 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2548.13 2548.98 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2550.96 2558.62 It and you can train it, like only your speech or it's general uh it's quite interesting, yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2552.33 2553.42 What do you mean, always? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2553.36 2559.35 No, the software is again on top of mobile, or like it comes with your mobile 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2554.57 2555.75 I don't know, that's 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2560.09 2567.5 Well, they they just bought a mobile, and based on the O. S. it's using they they they developed the software. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2565.11 2574.28 No, the thing is usually these kind of these kind of facilities are like no not normal, so so they may charge more or like yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2574.88 2583.75 Ah, ok yeah, definitely they may charge for more money f again, some extra bill for this using this recognition engine or something. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2574.28 2574.88 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2576.98 2578.15 They just use the device. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2571.57 2576.98 No, this is the development phone, this is not the commercial stuff with the software. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2574.94 2576.14 Okay, uh-huh. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2587.56 2591.31 I don't know, like it's like you you've got some mobile phone 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2584.6 2587.56 Or you you can just buy that application, right? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2591.31 2598.32 and then you can buy from another company some such application wh you can dictate your S. M. S. or whatever. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2584.92 2585.12 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2587.35 2587.63 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2588.36 2589.34 By by what? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2596.42 2596.73 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2598.34 2601.67 I don't know if it's already the case right now. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2599.88 2603.6 S I don't know if it is done now, but like 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2602.31 2608.23 Yeah, but maybe like if it can't really recognise you it will be really annoying it's better. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2614.19 2616.83 And I heard that it worked very very well. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2616.83 2618.09 Um 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2609.6 2613.07 Those uh there were many of them. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2606.44 2609.6 But have you ever used like dictation system for Windows? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2613.07 2614.19 Yeah, drag the mouse there. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2610.48 2615.86 Yeah, I have used once like this dragon, that was kind of good like, yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2620.94 2630.31 he use i he got some problem with hands and then he was always using this n uh dictation even he used to write lot of C. plus plus code with the dictation like. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2615.86 2620.94 Because even in when I was working in uh like in Edinburgh like, one guy 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2630.31 2631.64 It's really good like, so. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2629.49 2630.18 Alright. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2639.31 2642.29 Yeah yeah, it's really like you ought to get used to the system 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2642.29 2648.62 like you how to say all the callings and this thing system how t but it's really funny like,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2638.16 2639.31 I get used to the system. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2632.06 2638.16 But you ought to really train and then you're to kind of uh yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2648.62 2655.39 he is able to use it for like like years, I mean he used to write a lot of code and, you know, it's really great. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2634.93 2637.54 Right, newer speech, okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2637.14 2639.78 You had to get used to the system, not the system to you. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2639.59 2643.44 Okay. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2640.12 2641.54 Okay. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2643.46 2645.39 How to say okay. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2653.18 2653.43 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2657.05 2667.91 you should be the one to ask is there anything if I'm just a p private person and I want for free any software which is able to read me a book in English,
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2656.28 2657.05 By the way 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2653.59 2656.28 It's nice. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2679.03 2690.1 Festival is able to to to read just a mm normal plain text in reasonable comprehensible English or so that I can understand it? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2690.1 2691.14 Non-native speaker? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2667.91 2679.03 uh for example that Festival, am I able to put the text to the system and to in real time to listen to the output? 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2656.05 2656.38 Hmm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2676.72 2678.2 Yeah yeah, you can listen Festival. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2681.57 2682.97 Read the like 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2710.79 2716.24 like those syntax and then it will speak till it finishes the text. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2697.15 2702.37 how you call the Festival, so you can just give the full there is an too. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2705.6 2710.79 If if you want to like read full text, then you can say like the full text 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2689.81 2697.15 Yeah yeah, Fes yeah, I think I think you can do the Festival, you can just call like uh this there are different kind of again,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2702.37 2705.6 So then you will get the all the caller and other things. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2688.56 2689.81 Mm yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2689.79 2691.64 I think, yeah yeah, definitely. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2697.53 2699.69 Mm okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2706.29 2706.49 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2715.4 2717.62 And it's in real time on a reasonable machine? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2718.61 2719.85 Diphone, yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2727.38 2732.16 Uh Festival is good, like now it comes at all the Linux boxes also, so in so already in this 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2716.6 2718.61 Yeah, it's real it's yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2719.85 2727.38 That's why it's real time, like otherwise it's bit difficult and it's okay, you can easily understand, so it's intelligible, so. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2717.57 2719.94 It's based on the diphones diphones, right? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2722.19 2722.9 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2723.51 2723.9 Okay. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2726.34 2727.97 Yeah, I think it's very good, yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2726.72 2727.13 Okay. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2730.97 2731.21 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2731.47 2740.45 'Cause the the diphone that I was tried to install it and there there are the voices like cat voice and these voices, this is not the one? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2740.45 2749.01 Because uh I don't know which which um what i what is running where uh if it's diphone or which uh approach this is. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2738.66 2741.49 No the there are so many voices, like again 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2743.63 2744.71 Which voice you want to use. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2753.71 2756.45 So they supply few voices. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2756.45 2762.5 Yeah yeah, yeah, just uh concatenation of the no, it's already there, if you just put li Festival,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2748.38 2753.71 No, most of the the Festival, uh what you get on Linux machines, is diphone based only. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2767.93 2768.81 Festival is open 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2762.5 2767.93 it comes wi because it's comes with direct Linux software and you know, it is open source. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2752.28 2753.7 Yes? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2753.7 2757.8 So it's uh just uh wha samples of the diphones, and it choo chooses 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2758.11 2760.79 So you've got it installed in your machine here or 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2760.83 2762.51 Yeah, on my on my laptop. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2762.51 2762.96 Or here. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2763.04 2763.96 Festival, right? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2767.93 2768.67 Oh. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2766.53 2767.93 Okay. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2768.67 2769.98 A and have you have you tried it? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2781.98 2793.05 and th then there is a diphone synthesis I think it is the diphone synthesis from the some like something like cat w voice and somethi this is so-so,
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2779.8 2781.98 which you cannot understand at all 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2799.85 2807.39 and they were playing us some other other approaches, and it it sounded like a human, it was great, but 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2768.01 2771.73 Yeah, you can you can easily yes, I d I've tried 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2771.73 2779.8 but there are some built-in like easy voices which you can y uh there is a default one completely synthetic 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2793.05 2799.85 but it's this doesn't sound very nice, and we were playing at the uh summer school with them, actually with the authors,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2770.46 2771.05 It's 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2771.66 2772.09 And? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2777.45 2778.29 So you can 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2789.75 2793.04 Yeah, cat voice, like there are like they they have few 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2795.38 2795.74 Uh-huh. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2801.98 2803.6 Yeah, new voices like, yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2827.84 2832.02 so you have to again download from uh their web page. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2821.3 2827.84 So maybe you can just check no, i it's it's here on the web, then it won't come with your Linux software 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2811.55 2815.6 It's not diphones, you have really large inventory of the speech. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2806.71 2811.55 Yeah, that's the difference that tha in views this unit selection. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2818.1 2821.3 No no, it's free, they'll be releasing soon I guess. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2817.86 2818.1 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2815.6 2817.86 Uh those voices, they're not yet released. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2812.74 2813.01 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2815.02 2818.21 So this is not this is not for free or something. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2821.22 2823.43 But it it's not here so far. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2829.93 2835.45 Okay, I'm I'm fine with this, but I can make it run on my machine. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2835.45 2836.1 Okay. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2834.29 2835.43 Yeah, yeah yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2832.68 2834.29 Yeah, you can download, now. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2835.43 2841.14 It the voices are called Multisyn, Multisyn uh sl uh that's some voice. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2841.14 2844.18 So you can download from the voice from the web Festival. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2838.06 2838.43 Okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2843.68 2846.98 And and the engine is is in the Festival itself. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2846.98 2849 So it's just a voice to to okay. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2848.06 2849.18 Yeah yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2864.87 2870.91 it's more or less but not exactly like uh it's two times or one point five times or something. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2870.91 2873.5 But you can prune like how much you want, because 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2846.15 2848.06 Yeah yeah yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2856.37 2864.87 It was really large database, so it the voi the quality will be better because you can find similar yeah 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2849.18 2856.37 So voice is like the database of, the parallel speaker who speaks that this text, so. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2851.56 2852.67 okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2855.02 2855.21 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2861.05 2863.18 So it's still still real time? 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2865.95 2866.23 Hmm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2867.81 2871.29 Ah okay, but but not much, yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2870.55 2871.84 Mm mm. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2872.91 2873.69 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2873.36 2873.7 Okay. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2884.55 2890.04 So you can you can always optimise, you can put some thresholds and pruning and then you can make it real time. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2898.49 2900.55 Uh yeah, yeah, it's really good. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2893.8 2894.98 But still it's good like now. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2894.98 2898.49 Th you can just check Multisyn and then voices. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2873.81 2882 so this is again like uh that's kind of my P. H. D. work how in this system like how you choose the units and how you concatenate. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2882 2884.55 So there are again cost functions and Viterbi. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2890.04 2893.8 So then again, compromise uh between the quality and yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2881.77 2882.11 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2883.8 2884.08 Hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2884.18 2885.87 Yeah, it's very difficult and 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2887.79 2888.16 Mm-hmm. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2888.15 2888.62 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2892.66 2893.64 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 2891.18 2892.66 Alright. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2892.91 2893.35 Hmm. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2895.68 2896.26 Okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2898.47 2899.55 Uh it's right, I mean 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2900.43 2905.03 And you just uh have chosen some text? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2905.03 2907.18 Any text you just put in and 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2905.81 2915.23 Yeah, I just s use the Douglas Adams, uh uh that that book, you know, the mm how it's called? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2915.23 2918.49 Just general English textbook, I I cho I tried. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2905.9 2906.63 Yeah yeah yeah yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2910.7 2918.03 But only sometimes like it can't really call this yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2911.01 2911.44 Okay. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2929.5 2932.03 Whatever, T. X. T., right, files. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2932.03 2932.45 Uh-huh. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2918.36 2924.62 And it can read uh how does it read, from which um from which uh how to state it? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2924.62 2929.5 Uh is it uh possible to read P. D. F. s or just standard text? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2930.71 2932.38 Yeah, ASCII file basically. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2927.68 2930.71 No, the T. T. X. T. . 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2932.38 2936.26 You have to but you can take a P. D. F. and convert P. D. F. to ASCII. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2930.7 2933.33 Yeah, ASCII file is 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2930.29 2930.7 Yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2928.49 2930.29 Uh standard text. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2945.53 2949.69 It's not in the dictionary, like if we again it's problem like, so. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2935.9 2945.53 ASCII and but only the problem's again acronyms and sometimes it expands, sometimes it may not expand, because it's not in their dictionary, so yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2949.69 2954.56 But those things you can add, like if you're really familiar with Festival, so you can add always these 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2936.25 2936.81 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2936.81 2937.61 Well let's 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2941.19 2942.22 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2942.22 2947.48 It was a line with hashes and it was hash hash hash hash hash hash hash hash hash hash. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2944.78 2946.65 Oh really? 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2952.53 2958.64 Uh I'm not, then I don't want to go too much into details, just a little bit. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2957.5 2963.17 But at least these things okay like, it won't really make mistakes so often like, sometimes 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2956.38 2957.5 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2962.33 2965.52 Mm well I can prepare s sorry. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2962.96 2965.23 Anyway, who is the author of Festival? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2970.84 2971.93 Edinburgh C. S. T. R., yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2965.47 2970.84 Alan Black and Paul Taylor, they started r Festival in ninety six or something. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 2969.59 2971.09 These are the Edinburgh people, no? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2972.83 2979.08 And I thought it that's the guy from C. S. L. U., from Portland, who was there during f 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2971.08 2972.83 Edinburgh? 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2987.74 2991.57 The Festival is alrea already like it's one first you start with th 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 2978.19 2987.74 Uh f oh uh this ma this Johann Waters or like no, they d what they did Portland O. G. I., they did L. P. C. based synthesis. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2981.72 2983.08 Yeah, but there was 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 3018.53 3020.01 Something like that. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 3009.45 3013.12 he's very famous, but I thought that he was the author no,
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2999.2 3005.54 Like he cannot have he just can speak only through some Festival system or something like that. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2990.08 2993.85 No, no, but that that was the guy who's on a wheelchair now,
IN1012 H01 MIO097 3005.54 3009.45 He was the auth no, yeah, h he was working I think in w O. G. I. even,
IN1012 H01 MIO097 2993.85 2999.2 he cannot m move even, he's very in like indic how to say that? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 3013.12 3018.53 it was developed for him, like he was just first tester I think of the system. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 3020.01 3029.69 Like it's not t text to speech, it's just the uh uh synthesis, which means which is more or less the same, but I dunno. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 3000.51 3001.01 Ah, okay. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 3003.3 3003.87 Mm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 3005.59 3006.33 From. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 3012.46 3013.86 No no, actually the b 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 3011.06 3012.46 I don't know. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 3019.16 3020.32 Yeah, maybe, because 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 3017.12 3019.16 Ah, okay, okay. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 3024.54 3025.09 Ah, ok 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 3028.02 3028.47 Hmm. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 3030.46 3036.3 Yeah, first they started in C. S. T. R. with Alan Black and Paul Taylor, then then it expand to many places,
IN1012 H00 MIO078 3036.3 3044.31 because if somebody is fil no, Simon King is he's one of the others, but Rob Clark is the man that you met um. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 3044.31 3047.5 Uh uh, already. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 3047.5 3047.81 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 3033.77 3034.9 Yeah. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 3034.9 3039.78 So it's somebody and Simon King is playing with that, right, the t guy. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 3049 3050.26 Um uh. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 3046.73 3049 That I know. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 3042.76 3046.73 Mm-hmm, yeah, voice. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 3046.17 3047.16 Okay, okay. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 3048.96 3049.47 It's 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 3050.89 3051.79 I think that's enough. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 3052.07 3052.37 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 3052.34 3052.54 N uh. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 3057.47 3058.47 I it's enough, yeah. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 3052.74 3057.47 So anything uh more about Lisbon or Interspeech? 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 3055.19 3059.24 No other papers it's just one paper and and Festival. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 3059.24 3062.78 From Linux, it's very im interesting. 
IN1012 H03 MIO018 3065.42 3065.79 Okay. 
IN1012 H00 MIO078 3066.03 3066.38 Okay. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 3066.81 3067.06 N uh. 
IN1012 H01 MIO097 3067.56 3068.09 Yeah. 
IN1012 H02 MIO077 3072.7 3072.98 Mm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 30.79 31.54 Oh my God. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 36.97 42.48 I I wish, you know, the the the the room would just detect when an when a meeting's started it starting. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 31.87 36.97 Yeah, still doesn't feel natural. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 36.4 37.63 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 56.26 57.79 So you better start. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 53.6 56.26 Voila cool. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 58.62 59.4 So. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 57.79 58.62 It was your idea. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 54.72 56.26 Okay. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 59.81 69.38 no so I thought that we might s t speak a little bit about speech coding because nobody is doing here speech coding and I would like to have some maybe feedback because except me. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 56.9 59.43 I should start? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 59.43 59.81 Yeah 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 69.38 90.78 I've I've supposed to some speech coding stuff here with Hynek uh but you know that little bit at least that uh based on some let's say Hilbert transforms using a longer temporal context and deriving some parameters would be tranf transcs transmitted to a decoder and 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 126.93 128.6 Um when you have got 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 91.09 98.43 So it's a little bit different than the stuff which people are using now, which is like a L. P. C. based. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 106.85 121.57 But of course there is there are many problems which we still didn't solve and the biggest one is quite similar to L. P. C. stuff where people still don't know how to exactly encode a carrier or the source signal. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 101.11 106.85 So still um we can't uh d encode a speech. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 121.57 126.93 We know what to do with the envelope or how to approximate the envelope, let's say. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 98.43 101.11 And but we are at the beginning with everything more or less. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 130.41 133.41 Well maybe uh is is the white-board working? 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 135.13 136.94 Or or not. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 136.94 144.22 Um y maybe show us the general sort of outline. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 148.04 148.33 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 144.22 148.04 You keep w okay, you can just write it on the paper. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 136.19 140.53 Oh you mean that it would be nice to plot at least s 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 143.33 145.61 Yeah, at least you can write on the p 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 142.9 143.33 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 141.08 142.9 Yeah, at least on paper. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 142.4 144.6 Um maybe I I can I can 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 142.83 144.13 You can write on the paper, yeah. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 144.13 145.68 It's it's okay. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 155.16 156.94 But it's uh m more or less very simple. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 156.94 161.03 We have let's say at the beginning there is some speech signal. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 152.81 155.16 So I don't have to present anything mores. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 146.47 150.05 So what we are doing now, yeah, you mean. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 150.05 152.81 Okay, i uh everybody knows L. P. C. stuff, how it works. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 152.47 153.68 Right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 152.69 153.26 Yeah, CELP. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 197.28 198.7 So I well I I don't know. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 190.07 197.28 then you get a complex signal and if you take just the amplitude, then you get Hilbert envelope code. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 198.7 200.03 Yeah, let's say ups. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 163.06 173.52 What we are uh we might see it uh in very simple way that we are using some Hilbert transform h at the beginning to create analytic signal. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 173.52 183.31 The analytic signal is the signal which is a complex which you can create from the uh real uh uh some sequence. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 183.31 190.07 And if you get if you apply Hilbert transform on this, on such a speech signal, like a real trajectory,
IN1013 H01 MIO078 176.8 177.18 Yeah. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 178.29 178.79 Right, right. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 200.64 203.77 So is this different from the original P. L. P. two stuff then, is that? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 204.32 206.12 Yeah, it's u it's not P. L. P. at all, d 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 205.72 208.61 Uh 'cause that's what you started with, wasn't it? 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 208.61 210.68 This this stuff that Marius 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 207.72 208.11 Hmm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 208.26 208.98 Mm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 212.86 215.86 No, Marius is also using like Hilbert transform and then 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 210.28 212.86 No, but Marius is it's similar stuff. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 211.68 214.44 No he's it's pretty much the same. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 215.3 215.72 Okay. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 245.79 248.09 So it's different direction which we are w using. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 219.93 224.76 They are applying P. L. P. with some iteration with this this one approach. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 216.36 219.93 Uh you're lit I know what you mean with the pu P. L. P. . 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 224.76 230.23 So they are doing some smoothing of a spectrogram in two ways. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 236.7 241.72 Let's say you are doing uh for every twenty millisecond processing one one feature vector. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 241.72 245.79 Here you are processing one spectral band, frequency band, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 230.23 232.85 One was right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 249.06 256.06 So applying that uh absolute uh absolute operation, you get a Hilbert envelope. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 233.25 236.7 But P. L. P. is using just the spectral uh direction. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 248.09 249.06 But anyway, this is very simple. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 232.85 233.25 Right. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 225.32 225.97 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 229.83 234.2 H he's parameterizing it both temporally and across the spectrum, yep. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 228.92 229.83 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 231.8 232.06 Both. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 239.99 240.26 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 241.73 242.12 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 247 247.28 Yep. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 245.24 247 Yep, okay. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 285.79 289.45 You are applying again to some linear prediction model after that. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 258.32 260.87 And of course then there is the phase. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 271.01 276.6 We are ap we are applying that Hilbert uh him what is the Marius' uh stuff. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 264.61 266.48 And that's more or less all what we are doing. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 260.87 264.61 So it's just the complex operation. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 276.6 285.79 So he knows how to encode uh the Hilbert uh envelope using like L. S. F. s or L. P. C. . 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 266.48 271.01 So now what we know what we know is how to approximate that Hilbert envelope. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 260.66 260.89 Yeah. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 261.31 261.62 Mm-hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 276.2 277.1 Yeah, to that. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 277.1 277.79 Yep, yep, yep. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 282.33 285.45 Uh is some kind of D. C. T. or again yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 285.45 286.14 Yeah, ok 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 288.74 289.12 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 293.5 295.44 It's a complex linear prediction or whatever. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 288.77 293.5 Mm yeah, but it's a it's a it's a different linear prediction model, isn't it. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 310.33 312.04 So this is frequency. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 326.35 328.93 And we are trying to approximate that envelope which is 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 304.08 310.33 and you are applying some linear prediction model which is trying to approximate the spectrum, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 318.16 326.35 So if this is a time, and you get one and add one frequency band, you can see something like this. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 291.25 297.55 But it's uh right, it's in a it's a little bit difference in not applied in the frequency domain. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 312.04 318.16 In our case we are we are trying to approximate s kind of instantaneous energy. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 297.55 304.08 So instead of classical L. P. C. domain, where you have a spectrum, let's say something like that,
IN1013 H01 MIO078 292.77 293.45 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 293.45 293.77 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 302.57 303.04 How c 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 310.36 310.64 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 317.95 318.26 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 325.6 326 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 330.25 331.65 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 331.65 331.88 Yep. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 364.44 371.45 You may see something like there is one cosine which is uh very would have quite a f right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 348.52 353.78 which is in uh some sense quite simple for voiced speech signal, say. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 342.06 348.52 But i if you want to really construct the speech signal or the you need also the phase signal,
IN1013 H03 MIO097 353.78 360.89 But s uh the phase no, you ac It's a phase or you can encode it like a carrier. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 360.89 364.44 So the carrier is, if you know, uh amplitude modulation, right? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 337.02 342.06 We know that we can apply linear prediction model and it works pretty well. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 332.56 337.02 So again, we know what to more or less we know what to do with the Hilbert envelope. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 332.35 332.56 Right? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 330.54 332.35 that Hilbert envelope. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 332.04 332.69 Hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 332.37 332.77 Mm-hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 336.39 336.9 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 341.32 341.71 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 346.04 348.13 You need the phase. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 348.13 350.07 Ooh uh 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 347.09 347.38 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 353.56 355.38 Because use linear phase or 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 355.06 356.33 Well 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 359.31 361.52 Yeah uh Oh okay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 364.52 364.8 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 368 368.33 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 370.07 371.32 Same frequency. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 373.6 377.93 Okay, so it's not necessarily phase, but if you're using some sort of sinusoidal coding, it's phase, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 370.88 373.6 Well it depends on how this i I mean you're talking b yeah, just the carrier. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 373.91 374.27 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 377.66 378.14 Right, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 388.74 389.26 So 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 379.33 388.74 So the this is the signal which you also have to somehow encode or transmit from a code of the decoder in order to re-synthesize it, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 375.96 377.66 It's called like the phase. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 378.14 379.33 Exactly. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 378.07 378.45 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 383.87 384.36 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 386.47 387.1 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 387.1 387.25 W 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 394.67 395.94 The s the spectrogram. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 401.91 402.56 Yeah, yep. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 395.94 401.58 W what sort of coding do you get so far for the no no no no, f f yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 401.58 401.91 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 388.28 394.67 What so what sort of bit rate do you get for the um encoding of the this the Hilbert transform? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 395.92 396.69 What do you mean? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 396.69 396.91 Again. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 406.19 411.15 I mean oh, okay, w well, if you want to see it in more details, I mean 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 400.2 403.3 For the the linear prediction model? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 405.29 406.19 Classical way. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 403.3 405.29 Well it's uh just a linear prediction. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 398.93 400.2 For this one? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 400.58 401.23 For L. S. F. . 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 406.97 411.77 Uh wo well, it's no no no, but what sort of bit rate do you get? 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 411.77 417.97 Is it is it uh id do you have any sort of m idea of what sort of band-widths? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 423.7 433.87 So whereas we are what we are now is, let's say, something like one point two kilo-bits per second for uh that Hilbert envelope. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 421.64 422.05 Okay, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 422.05 423.7 Sure, sure. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 417.9 421.64 Oh, you mean uh yeah, bit bit rate you mean? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 419.45 420.53 Main bit rate. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 420.53 421 What is 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 421.38 421.78 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 421.97 422.06 Good. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 425.02 425.33 'Cause 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 431.11 431.64 Oh. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 433.66 439.43 Okay, and that's in that's with the fully optimised sort of compression scheme or that's just the raw data or? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 437.43 437.93 Is 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 441.55 446.31 But we still know that we can go down and right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 439.49 441.55 It's again a roughly estimated somehow. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 441.21 442.01 Okay, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 444.51 444.98 Sure, sure. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 444.26 444.51 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 448.9 449.31 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 444.98 448.9 You just cut out m bands and just use interpolation or whatever. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 449.31 453.98 T so that's one point okay, that's with the full spectrum basically being used then. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 448.32 449.14 Exactly, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 449.14 451.13 I don we are using like fifteen bands. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 452.61 453.86 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 462.36 471.42 You just apply some those uh triangular windows or something like that in order to to get a li really like just fifteen bands, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 474.21 479.56 So for one band we more or less have w like w one hundred bits per second. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 453.86 462.36 But they are first they are inter oh well, integrated into fifteen bands using oh classical way like in M. F. C. C. s or in P. L. P. . 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 479.56 480.46 For Hilbert envelope. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 471.42 474.21 And each band is then processed independently. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 466.87 467.16 Yep. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 465.85 466.87 Yep, yep. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 465.4 465.85 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 466.11 466.71 Ah, okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 470.86 471.09 Yep. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 473.59 474.35 Yeah, yep. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 474 474.48 Hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 502.42 507.87 I mean you you shou you could be able to do some sort of code missing data sort of Bayes stuff, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 494.02 495.01 Yep. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 479.46 488.08 So and Hynek was showing me how scalable it is in terms of um you can take half the bands away and still get decent performance. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 478.19 479.46 Okay, that's quite good. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 495.86 500.55 And that's without doing any sort of um prediction of what the missing bands might be, right? 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 488.08 494.02 You take you take three quarters of them away, it starts to degrade, but it's still intelligible, that sort of thing. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 495.01 495.86 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 500.55 502.42 You just leave them out. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 478.56 479.06 Okay. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 486.53 487.76 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 493.89 494.19 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 487.76 488.31 Right, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 491.26 492.12 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 492.12 493.89 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 488.31 491.26 You yeah, you can just right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 490.63 490.79 Hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 495.53 495.89 S 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 501 502.97 Uh right, that's what we did. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 510.04 512.21 But yeah, exactly. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 507.36 508.01 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 518.23 524.41 There are many simple things which you can do like uh quantization quantization, for example. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 512.21 518.23 But now what I r really trying to do is somehow approximate that uh carrier signal, to do something with the carrier. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 508.01 510.04 There are many things we would wouldn't at all. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 505.71 506.57 Yeah, sure. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 506.57 507.36 Sure, sure. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 506.01 506.68 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 511.96 512.29 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 516.92 517.34 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 520.51 521.1 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 533.94 540.11 It'd be nice to have some sort of scalable coding scheme for the for the voice signal as well, right? 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 527.95 533.94 Like because you've got a nice scalable scheme for the for for the the coding of the the smooth spectrum. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 523.27 527.95 It it would be it would be nice to have a scalable scheme though, wouldn't it? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 528.02 528.52 Hmm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 533.67 533.97 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 549.05 550.01 What you mean by that? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 539.62 549.05 You mean something like uh f uh that CELP coding system where you're or wh wh wh what is no, what is exactly scalable system? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 544.37 544.85 Hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 545.99 547.08 Well, I don't know, I'm just 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 549.55 550.55 Well, at different bit rates. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 554.01 560.62 Because I mean it'd be nice uh l let's say if you had twelve hundred bits for the for the sp smooth spectrum and twelve hundred bits for the voice 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 550.55 554.01 So the actual uh excitation as well. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 560.62 562.04 and then you could scale them both. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 553.17 554.03 This was yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 551.48 553.17 Oh yeah, yeah, sure. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 553.98 554.88 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 556.61 557.62 For dif yeah, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 557.62 557.91 Right, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 568.87 569.23 So 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 566.16 568.87 And you can decide how many bands you want more or less. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 560.08 560.58 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 560.58 566.16 But I think this appr approach can do that because you really can split it into several bands. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 565.58 565.72 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 565.72 566.86 Sure, sure, sure. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 568.8 569.1 Yeah. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 569.7 570.41 I have a question. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 574.98 578.48 Is it bar scale, like in like in sp yeah, okay. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 570.41 574.98 Is the scale linear or is Mel scale, like in M. F. C. C. ? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 570.03 570.36 Hmm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 609.08 614.65 it's better than for decoding it's better to play with them because they they are not zero anywhere, you know. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 599.61 601.42 But that's what we are using, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 619.67 625.29 So d you don't have to care about some zero values here and but more or less it doesn't matter, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 618.08 619.67 But actually they are not. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 625.29 627.04 We are using just Gaus Gaussian windows. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 596.09 599.61 But right, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 614.65 618.08 They are they are approaching or in they are in zero. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 592.91 596.09 I mean it doesn't matter if you're als use Mel scale or bar scale. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 601.42 609.08 Uh actually we are using just Gaussian windows here instead of those triangulars because they are more uh no,
IN1013 H03 MIO097 588.16 592.91 But what I w my sense is that it is not so much important still. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 574.5 576.67 Yeah, this is a bar scale we are using. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 587.05 588.16 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 576.67 587.05 Yeah, or Mel Mel scale, so it's uh it's being uh more wider for higher frequencies and of course the s the spaces right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 582.39 583.4 Oh yeah, type. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 587.41 587.84 Mm. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 583.96 586.1 The overlapping is different, right? 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 586.1 587.41 Yep. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 587.23 587.64 Hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 588.36 588.62 S 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 593.26 593.66 Hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 593.94 594.53 Uh 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 596.8 600.02 Just long as it's some sort of non-linear. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 596.32 596.8 No no. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 600.02 600.44 Yep. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 600.64 601.08 Okay and? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 601.55 602.73 S so 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 604.27 604.98 Oh okay. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 605.22 605.83 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 605.64 605.79 M 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 607.69 608.83 Or like apply more 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 607.29 607.69 Smoothed? 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 607.98 610.04 The place more emphasis on the 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 609.61 609.94 Hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 611.95 612.28 Ah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 614.65 615.54 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 615.63 616.09 Hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 623.7 623.99 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 625.33 625.6 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 627.17 627.55 Okay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 628.54 633.41 So after you're doing L. S. F. s so or like I mean how you're finally hand coding 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 628.61 629.37 Hmm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 639.04 646.51 So you have L. P. C. coefficients which you can transcribe into L. L. L. S. F. s, which are right, exactly. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 632.07 639.04 Okay, so l those are that the Hilbert envelope is um is approximated by linear prediction. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 646.51 646.79 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 638.89 639.2 Ah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 640.99 641.37 Oh. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 643.95 645.95 And then vector quantize or whatever. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 645.95 646.39 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 646.44 650.19 So first you apply these triangle filters and then do L. P. C. coding or like 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 645.26 646.44 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 659.58 663.81 Then you apply those uh triangular or Gaussian windows. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 654.84 659.58 So at the beginning we apply D. C. T. in order to get to frequency domain. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 650.41 651.25 Right, exactly. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 670.25 674.47 So for such D. C. T. trajectory you apply those uh Gaussian windows. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 663.81 670.25 So this is done for one second, eight thousand samples for eight kilo-hertz sampling frequency, right? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 651.25 654.84 So first uh the approach is quite sim simple. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 652.11 652.39 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 657.79 659.09 Yeah, okay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 659.09 659.5 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 662.31 663.59 Filters. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 663.59 663.82 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 668.64 669.01 Hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 668.95 669.61 Oh okay. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 680.1 684.35 And then each one f frequency sub-band is more or less uh 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 676.23 680.1 And then i so you split it in two frequency sub-bands. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 679.37 679.62 Hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 688.33 689.2 Yeah, m yeah, ok 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 684.74 688.33 You can do the L. P. analysis on each sub-band, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 694.03 696.4 Yeah, so you for each one you get L. S. F. s here. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 687 687.19 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 687.56 694.03 You just apply L. L. P., so auto-correlation let's say, or you can do power spectrum, whatever. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 687.19 687.56 Exactly. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 686.29 687 Right. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 687.34 687.5 Uh-uh. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 693.74 694.05 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 690.9 692.28 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 692.28 693.74 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 694.05 694.18 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 694.1 694.46 Hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 696.45 696.73 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 696.7 696.99 Mm-hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 698.9 701.13 So how many L. S. F. s you're using and 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 700.45 708.82 Uh well, I'm using now like twenty L. S. F. s per one second, per one frequency band. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 711.25 713.63 Twen that's t it's twenty times fifteen, it's not 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 708.85 711.25 So times fifteen. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 709.57 712.47 So but you how many bands you're using? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 717.87 718.83 Like uh. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 709.02 709.57 Oh okay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 712.47 717.87 If you're you're not skipping any bands or like oh ok fifteen into twenty then. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 712.44 712.94 Fifteen. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 715.23 715.65 No no. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 715.65 720.34 If I just keep all them so twenty L. S. F. s, each one is um 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 721.07 721.45 Hmm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 722 723.84 is quantized by four or five bits. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 725.86 727.97 So it's it's yeah, it's three hundred. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 724.33 725.86 Okay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 727.21 727.88 Ah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 730.42 731.22 Three hundred bits? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 729.88 730.42 Of what? 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 730.56 736.06 It I mean it's it's total of three hundred sort of parameters per second. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 736.06 737.14 Um 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 733.13 733.81 Oh yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 737.6 738.28 Two. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 740.04 740.36 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 740.36 740.81 Exactly. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 738.28 739.2 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 739.2 740.04 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 739.32 740.81 But phase you're not encoding anything. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 743.98 746.49 Uh no th Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 740.81 743.98 Phase you're directly transmitting that. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 746.49 748.69 The phase of Hilbert envelope. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 745.07 747.9 Or no, of course we did 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 742.51 745.07 You mean this phase, the the Hilbert carrier? 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 751.27 752.59 I uh 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 747.24 751.27 Well, y you're not you're not carrying transmitting that at all really at this point in time. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 750.67 751.08 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 751.94 753.03 You're not transmitting at all like. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 755.16 761.98 We don't well the first thing what you can really do is just to replace it by Gaussian noise. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 766.45 773.72 Or you can replace it by some cosine, one cosine generated in a cen centre frequency of that Gaussian window. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 753.42 755.16 Uh w well, there are many things you can do. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 761.98 764.94 So you can really use t like in uh L. P. C. system. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 764.94 765.48 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 765.48 766.45 Exactly. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 760.97 762.05 Yeah yeah, is noise. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 762.05 762.68 Fourier. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 763.45 766.19 And and you get whispering type synthesis, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 764.35 764.51 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 779.69 781.55 Yeah, which is which is probably, I mean,
IN1013 H00 MIE034 773.39 775.91 Or one of these glottal pulse things. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 772.32 773.39 Yep. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 775.91 779.69 F and just use basic L. P. C. ten style. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 786.37 790.27 That's that's probably fine. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 790.27 790.93 But 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 781.55 786.37 if you're going to aim for like a very low rate code to below five hundred bits per second, I guess. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 775.89 776.36 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 778.8 780.09 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 780.09 780.55 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 788.33 790.87 It mi it mi yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 789.44 791.26 So what is the CELP standard now? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 793.67 794.65 Or the 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 791.26 793.67 Like it's it's two kilo-bits per second? 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 807.06 808.31 I think so, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 799.97 807.06 It's been implemented at twelve hundred f bits per second using more more complicated quantization schemes and stuff like that, I think. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 818.53 822.35 But I mean I imagine the same sort of approach could be taken with yours as well. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 808.31 814.94 I s I saw that they used matrix quantisation on the L. P. uh on the L. S. F. parameters or whatever. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 793.61 799.97 Uh the lowest standard is MELP I think, which is twenty four hundred, the standard. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 814.94 818.53 But I mean that's quite it becomes quite computationally intensive. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 798.81 800.48 Oh that two two kilo-bits per t 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 801.93 802.55 Ah ok 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 804.85 806.09 Ah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 806.09 806.81 Some 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 808.11 809.35 Yeah, it's possible, some of it. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 806.29 806.99 Twelve hundred? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 806.99 808.11 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 811.29 811.54 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 813.38 813.65 Mm-hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 814.91 815.36 But 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 814.34 814.91 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 817.68 818.24 R right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 820.87 826.05 Well I'm just comparing with uh L. P. C. ten standard, which is like classical L. P. C. . 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 827 832.01 So there in the there is I think two point four kilo-bits per second, the bit rate for that. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 826.05 827 A little bit optimized. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 821.6 821.71 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 826.11 826.37 No. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 831.41 831.77 Hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 833.06 835.52 Twenty MELP*'s a lot better quality though. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 831.95 833.06 Yeah, that's the same. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 835.52 836.42 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 837.26 840.67 This is no, uh I mean L. P. C. ten is just L. P. C. . 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 840.67 842.11 No no no. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 835.49 837.26 Yeah, definitely. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 843.66 845.55 Just noise or just those impulses. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 842.11 843.66 No. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 837.51 838.26 You have code book. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 838.26 839.05 So 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 836.19 837.51 But this is codec centred, no. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 835.51 836.19 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 854.67 855.13 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 847.9 850.99 No no. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 850.99 851.65 I think I think I think I think CELP or CELP or however you pronounce that. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 851.65 854.67 It's about forty eight hundred I think. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 842.48 842.83 Oh ok 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 840.36 841.8 Oh it's not codecs code book. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 841.8 842.48 There is not code book. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 844.34 844.88 Oh. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 846.83 847.95 Yeah, CELP is 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 847.67 848.06 CELP. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 859.45 860.27 On based on CELP. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 860.27 861.21 At least it gives 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 853.42 854.55 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 850.13 853.42 Yeah, it's it's it's around one kilo-byte like. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 858.97 859.45 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 854.55 858.97 Yeah, that's a, I think, even G. S. M. and all this, G. seven two nine. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 851.3 853.09 Yeah there yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 853.89 855.01 Four point eight or something. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 853.09 853.41 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 853.41 853.89 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 858.98 859.8 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 859.8 861.18 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 861.18 863.35 It's not terribly interesting though, really. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 858.08 858.98 Or based around that. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 859.82 860.18 Right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 864.98 870.44 So that's really uh it's maybe better than like using just random noise or 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 863.12 864.98 But still they use a code book, no. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 865.19 866.09 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 866.09 866.64 So I'm 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 869.79 872.78 Well you you've well, I mean you've got a bunch of options, haven't you. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 872.78 876.91 You can use like uh a codec sided or you could use a 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 873.06 873.56 Yeah, sure. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 873.15 874.42 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 874.42 874.84 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 876.5 879.57 Well more or less what we didn't do is analysis by synthesis, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 882.5 888.44 So yeah, so this is what we do and uh that might help a lot, of course. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 879.57 882.5 So that's what CELP is doing, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 888.44 891.08 But w yeah, exactly. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 891.08 892.16 That's that's the question. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 880.04 880.52 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 880.77 882.48 Sinusoidal based. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 883.08 883.82 Sure, sure, sure. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 882.78 883.08 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 882.48 882.78 No. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 882.29 882.54 Mm-hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 886.62 886.95 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 894.67 898.76 You're gonna get h lot higher band-width, aren't you. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 888.14 890.43 Yeah, but what's more interesting? 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 900.02 901.08 So yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 890.43 894.67 I I mean 'cause c I I I suspect there somethings like um CELP. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 898.76 900.02 I mean it's a high band-width standard. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 889.95 890.15 Huh. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 900.29 900.72 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 910.92 913.99 which is more or less like the cosine if you really take a look on that. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 900.72 901.87 Yeah, sure. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 922.25 925.14 Or of course the amplitude is just not constant all time. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 899.74 900.29 It will be. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 901.87 906.54 For example, uh there what I also did was uh a simple peak peaking algorithm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 919.45 922.25 Right, so it's th the frequency still to be changing. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 926.34 927.77 But practically it's not. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 927.77 934.91 So what you can see for a one second signal, you m more or less you already might see some like one 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 913.99 919.45 But it is kind of frequency shifted cosine or frequency modulated cosine. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 925.14 926.34 It should be theoretically. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 906.54 910.92 So if you take a look on that spectrum of that of that carrier signal 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 901.5 901.97 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 919.28 919.64 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 921.78 922.43 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 927.11 927.51 Ah, okay. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 954.85 960.5 Or if you're adjust uh th find one one line,
IN1013 H03 MIO097 939.23 944.38 But usually there are many others which are s quite small, but they are quite important. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 935.58 939.23 one uh impulse there or spectral line for. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 951.6 953.51 And you can understand pretty well. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 960.5 968.24 one speaker and dom dom dominant one in the spectrum of that c uh carrier Hil Hilbert carrier, and you just transmit this parameter. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 947.83 950.14 So if you're really transmitting just one spectral line. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 944.38 947.83 If you don't transmit them, then the signal is quite robotic or something like that. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 953.51 954.85 The signal is audible. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 950.14 951.6 But this is what you can do. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 938.79 939.18 Okay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 946.11 946.42 Hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 947.7 948.12 Hmm. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 953.01 953.32 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 956.27 956.98 So I mean 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 956.01 956.27 Okay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 958.59 958.87 But 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 959.02 959.45 How 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 962.69 962.94 Yep. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 963.59 964.12 Hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 968.02 968.55 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 975.76 980.4 you know, inverse filtering for um signal reconstruction or anything like that, can you? 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 968.55 969.63 'Cause it's a bit tricky, isn't it. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 969.63 975.76 That's it's not like a standard I'm just thinking, I mean what sort of opt it's not like you can't just do standard um,
IN1013 H03 MIO097 977.69 978.21 No, n 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 981.08 989.01 It's even easier because what you have to do is just divide the you just multiply that Hilbert envelope by the table carrier. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 989.01 989.59 That that's all. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 989.45 992.61 Uh oh okay and then you just then you just do the inverse F. F. T. or whatever. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 991.47 993.26 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 995.34 1003.29 So so you just multiply that uh one Hilbert carrier, which is transcribed by L. S. F. s by that this one I. F. F. T. signal. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1003.29 1003.71 So 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 993.26 995.34 Yeah, exactly. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 992.88 993.5 Inverse, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 994.65 994.82 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 993.5 994.17 Inverse Hilbert. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 994.17 994.65 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 994.87 996.07 Okay, the oth I mean the other o 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1000.5 1000.85 Mm yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1003.84 1008.83 But that's gonna be susceptible to having phase problems, is that, when you 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1017.34 1024.16 and uh I found that it doesn't matter so much which what is the phase because we are using just one second window, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1024.16 1031.26 So of course there there might be uh some uh disturb uh disturbed uh when you concatenate those segments together. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1031.26 1034.73 But then the phase might be important. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1039.4 1041.93 Like great, keep the phase zero and it works. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1034.73 1039.4 But otherwise, I mean, I didn't find any anything important with the phase. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1013.86 1017.34 Of of course I try to play also with that,
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1041.93 1042.35 Or 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1008.42 1013.86 Oh f you mean the phase of that uh of that carrier? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1011.54 1013.53 Or output signal like 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1011.76 1012.9 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1024.02 1024.54 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1023.08 1024.02 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1034.07 1034.33 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1055.52 1056.42 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1042.46 1050.24 And now I mean there is there are um mm there is research uh um pu that's been published showing,
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1056.42 1057.02 So 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1042.09 1042.46 Hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1050.24 1055.52 you know, speech reconstruction from the essentially the spectrogram without phase information. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1054.86 1055.64 Right right right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1055.64 1056.61 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1054.01 1054.86 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1062.22 1064.51 But this is in time domain, more or less. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1056.61 1062.22 But it's again a little bit different, because they are i they are doing this in a frequency domain. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1061.59 1062.06 Yes. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1062.82 1063.06 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1064.1 1069.86 Yes, but I mean you can reconstruct the the f the th the entire 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1069.94 1071.15 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1074.58 1075.07 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1072.7 1074.58 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1071.15 1072.7 The spectrogram, you mean. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1080.8 1086.45 All you need is the reconstruction of the spectrogram in order to estimate the harmonic amplitudes and 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1074.73 1076.61 Cause I'm just saying there's a heaps of there heaps of options. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1071.93 1073.46 Spectrogram from that, can't you. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1073.46 1074.73 So you could do it that way. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1076.61 1080.8 Like if y you be exactly the same as sinusoidal coding or something like that. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1080.79 1081.96 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1081.96 1082.32 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1126.45 1129.98 But uh of course the quality is uh is not so good still. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1116.45 1122.58 And it works pretty well, and then the signal is not uh just uh whispered. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1122.58 1126.45 Then you really hear that there is the voiceness in the signal. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1085.81 1086.91 Exactly. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1113.66 1116.45 And you can put this together, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1110.49 1113.66 Uh but you keep just the phases instead of magnitudes. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1096.35 1100.52 But you just uh get it in in this way, in in the way of Rob's, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1129.98 1134.22 But uh you can use it for like two, three kilo-bits per second and it works. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1100.52 1106.21 But you can also get the s short time Fourier transform uh and keep it right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1086.91 1096.35 What we can also do very simple is just to get the magnitude spectrogram using this approximation without the carrier, just Hilbert envelope. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1106.21 1110.49 Just classical uh frame by frame algorithm, twenty milliseconds. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1092.27 1094.23 And then yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1096.13 1096.39 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1098.73 1099.07 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1103.03 1103.41 Ye 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1103.49 1103.93 Yeah yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1104.49 1105.48 Just by refitting. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1107.94 1108.39 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1112.03 1112.53 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 1112.93 1113.53 Mm-hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1115.32 1115.78 Okay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1116.31 1116.78 Hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1124.73 1125.85 Yeah, okay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1125.23 1125.61 Oh ok 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1129.48 1129.83 D it's th 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1130.81 1131.08 Hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1134.98 1137 But that's that's the big thing at the moment, isn't it. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1134.54 1134.98 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1137 1147.2 If if you're mm if i if the if the exci if the if the encoding rate's two kilo-bits per second for the the excitation component of the signal. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1147.2 1155.71 It doesn't matter how efficient your um encoding of the spectrogram is, you're always gonna have a high relatively high bit rate. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1134.61 1134.98 Hmm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1138.15 1139.05 Like yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1146.09 1146.33 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1151.99 1152.49 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1156.79 1157.26 Yeah, sure. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1157.02 1157.24 Hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1161.7 1161.84 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1162.46 1172.56 so um hmm m maybe it would be nice if you t if you tell us uh what you do with the speech coding 'cause I d I didn't see any of P. H. D. s of you 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1173.09 1179.59 So if you did something so maybe it would be interesting at least to 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1172.56 1173.09 I think. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1162.2 1162.46 Anyway 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 1175.85 1179.78 I have never done anything. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1176.46 1176.55 Nah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1178.94 1185.4 Well, one could argue it's it's a field that's quite a sort of a niche these days, isn't it. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1177.83 1178.94 Yeah, sure. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1177.13 1177.83 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1185.4 1186.29 Um 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1184.77 1185.29 Yeah, sure. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1184.32 1184.77 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1192.08 1197.71 But they're they used to implement all these coders, G. S. M. and I. T. U. standards. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1185.77 1188.06 But yeah but it's more towards industry, no. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1184.88 1185.77 Hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1188.06 1192.08 Like the yeah, because I worked in a industry for like a small time. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1187.93 1189.84 In standards and yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1189.41 1190.23 It's true. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1197.76 1200.1 So you were when when did you do that? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1204.3 1207.67 Yeah, but that's uh like industry it's really a big deal like. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1212.59 1215.61 But mostly they're all based on CELP like mainly. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1200.25 1202.38 No, just before my P. H. D. . 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1215.9 1216.39 So 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1207.67 1211.99 So they they they work on a lot of these standards. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1211.99 1212.59 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1215.61 1215.9 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1202.38 1204.3 for like few months. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1201.84 1203.63 Oh okay. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1203.63 1203.88 Uh-huh. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1208.16 1208.49 Mm yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1210.63 1211.32 I think so, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1211.47 1213.12 Well did you say uh who said 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1226.07 1229.9 Uh no no, g G. S. M. because they don't have G. S. M. in the U. S. . 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1216.42 1226.07 Is it Nokia's being sued in the U. S. for their tri-band usage 'cause, you know, intellectual property. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1229.9 1231.61 Or I didn't have G. S. M. in the U. S. . 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1215.27 1216.42 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1221.69 1222.33 How? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1226.75 1227.54 Or 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1223.59 1226.75 You mean using that uh C. D. M. A. ? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1227.66 1228.83 Tri-band is G. S. M. . 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1232.64 1236.93 Right it's uh kind of s no C. D. M. A. is uh another level, I think. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1231.58 1232.64 Yeah, it's not G. S. M. . 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1233.31 1235.14 UH it's f uh okay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1233.33 1234.09 C. D. M. A. . 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1236.84 1242.04 No no, but C. D. M. is there but now slowly they're introducing G. S. M. also now in U. S. like. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1242.04 1243.18 Yeah, G. S. M. tri-band. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1243.18 1245.85 Like the frequencies are different, like very uh 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1237.07 1237.38 No no n 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1242.64 1244.07 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1250.91 1251.74 Well it's interesting. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1240.65 1242.64 Uh well that's tri-band, s yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1246.1 1250.91 And apparently Nokia's in a bit of trouble over that one, but yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1245.28 1246.1 Yeah yep. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1244.07 1245.11 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1245.11 1245.28 Yeah. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 1242.96 1244.29 Yeah, tri-band G. S. M., yeah. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 1245.88 1246.19 Mm-hmm. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 1244.29 1244.88 Different frequency. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 1244.88 1245.88 Yeah, exactly. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1249.45 1249.75 Mm-hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1249.7 1250.08 Ah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1251.99 1253.68 Now it's really big competition. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1251.68 1251.99 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1257.24 1266.16 Like speech recognition, of course it's very interesting, but people don't use it so much as s just coding, just telephoning, right, or just 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1252.76 1257.24 I think there is a l lot of money in that like, right. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1256.23 1259.03 Should've been a lawyer. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1255.83 1256.23 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1256.42 1256.69 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1262.9 1264.88 Well that's 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1275.53 1282.75 It's it's just uh sort of it's, you know, communications s sort of No. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1274.18 1275.53 doesn't it. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1264.99 1274.18 But I mean coding is a much more sort of it's it's it well I mean it's it's uh it when it boils down to just mathematics to a large extent 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1268.47 1271.77 Standard maybe like established. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1274.48 1275.27 They s yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1273.51 1273.97 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1273.97 1274.48 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1279.16 1279.66 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1280.82 1281.39 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1281.39 1281.64 Right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1287.13 1291.96 I think maybe in C. D. M. A. it may be m C. D. M. A. is more like 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1283.01 1285 So where do you think your thing is useful? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1285 1287.13 In C. D. M. A. or G. S. M. ? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1285.2 1287.79 No, I I. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1289.92 1294.53 Well what we were what we were thinking about is oh, C. D. M. A., I mean there is the b 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1294.72 1296.81 The they they are c doing only 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1293.88 1294.72 More time domain. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1306.08 1307.15 You can go down of course. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1301.1 1306.08 or it doesn't have to be problem but one constraint is that we are processing one second of the signal. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1298.33 1301.1 Well, the problem is this in with this application 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1310.41 1316.72 So but there are many applications where you really can use it because you don't care about algorithmic delay, one second algorithmic delay 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1325.5 1327.83 Um so probably. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1316.72 1325.5 like for I don't know if instead of S. M. S. you can really have some channel where you just right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1307.15 1310.41 But then you are losing little bit of the bit rate, let's say, right. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1309.52 1309.74 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1309.74 1310.33 Sure, sure. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1310.26 1310.57 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1316.9 1317.25 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1321.5 1321.7 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1324.25 1324.58 Yep. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1322.72 1324.25 Push to talk and stuff like that. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1321.7 1322.72 Sure, sure. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1338.37 1341.61 I don't think you can probably do much more than what's already been achieved. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1326.95 1333.77 And I mean, as you say, I mean that delay is, I mean you can squash that delay to some extent, right. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1341.61 1349.24 Because to get higher compression you have to, you know, take advantage of redundancy over longer time spans. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1349.24 1349.75 So 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1333.77 1338.37 I n I think as far as the co you know, c c Delilah's coding goes 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1332.74 1333.57 Right, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1333.57 1333.83 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1333.41 1333.81 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1341.71 1342.25 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1347.82 1348.19 Right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1359.71 1361.31 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1349.91 1354.09 But you know really the these long line telephones, they already have delay, no. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1354.09 1358.06 At least half a second or yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1358.46 1359.71 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1361.31 1367.56 But mobile m 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1358.06 1358.46 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1350.19 1350.41 Yep. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1357.77 1364.41 If you add those together you end up with a the nightmare scenario, I guess. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1369.74 1370.52 Oh yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1354.96 1357.77 Yeah, sure, but I mean that's transmission delay, not algorithmic delay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1375.32 1376.79 Sinusoidal coding. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1364.41 1369.74 We might have someone else joining our uh meeting soon. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1370.52 1375.32 I don't know, I mean uh you'd be you tried sinusoidal coding based approaches, didn't you? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1358.2 1358.5 Right. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 1362.86 1368.18 Okay. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1364.21 1368.31 What if s 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1369.55 1370.44 And this one is 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1374.84 1377.93 Which one, s oh 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1379.29 1379.7 Well 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1379.7 1389.51 but the sinusoidal coding is usually m when you s at least what I think or uh what I know is when you are doing sinusoidal coding it means you just take the speech signal at the beginning 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1389.99 1396.49 And you are trying to find to uh yeah, to find the harmonics in a temporal domain, right, for that. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1389.51 1389.99 right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1392.41 1393.86 Uh harmonics and the 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1424.6 1426.29 Y yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1414.19 1417.05 And then you can uh and then you can interpolate yeah 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1395.99 1397.43 Yeah, m yeah, tr yeah it's a yeah 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1394.14 1395.99 Yeah, but sure. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1408.29 1414.19 And then one way of compressing the harmonic amplitudes is just storing the smooth spectrum. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1397.43 1408.29 but I mean the th the the thing is you'd need ti it part of the parameter set for that is uh the um uh the f uh the harmonic amplitudes. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1426.29 1427.23 Well, I was just saying 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1417.05 1424.6 you can just pick the the um the harmonic amplitudes on that spectrum when you reconstruct on that smooth version of the spectrum when you reconstruct. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1396.21 1396.47 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1408.13 1408.4 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1414.49 1414.84 Oh. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1414.84 1415.05 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1414.88 1417.07 And then picking yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1421.83 1423.47 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1423.47 1428.25 More or less I did it maybe different way, but kind of algorithm like okay,
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1428.25 1434.1 trying to find out the strongest or the the most dominant peaks in the spectrum, which is more or less the same. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1425.5 1425.96 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1432.84 1433.06 Yep. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1431.82 1432.84 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1433.17 1434.99 But maybe the bit rate is the problem, no. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1436.18 1438.8 Like it's really uh yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1434.99 1436.18 Like what David was doing. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1437.22 1438.15 It's quite a high bit rate. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1435.42 1437.22 Yeah, well I I th it's high. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1438.15 1440.69 But I mean once we it maybe it's something that's scalable. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1436.98 1437.22 But th 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1440.68 1443.02 But you know, the the f the interesting 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1445.39 1446.99 Like yeah, maybe you can try to reduce. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1441.38 1444.27 Yeah, maybe you can just see how many how many harmonics. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1444.27 1445.39 He was using twenty, I think. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1449.06 1452.57 I m h uh he was just using the fundamental frequency. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1456.06 1463.96 then you only need to store the the the fundamental frequency and and the and the maximum voice frequency. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1452.57 1456.06 And if you smooth it doing a smooth spectrum representation of the harmonic amplitudes 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1463.96 1467.12 And everything else can be yeah, s yeah, sure. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1467.12 1471.8 So, and then but then the tricky the only tricky thing that we hadn't figured out was the phase information. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1446.96 1449.06 Well it I mean you can use as many harmonics as you want. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1449.42 1449.71 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1451.54 1451.8 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1452.35 1452.6 Right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1459 1459.41 And the f 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1460.79 1462 Right, and that that's it. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1461.02 1462.09 And then all this amplitude. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1464.31 1466.78 And then you do multiples of right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1466.78 1466.93 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1466.44 1466.99 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1466.99 1467.16 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1466.06 1466.44 Ah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1471.36 1472.08 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1472.08 1472.73 Each again. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1472.52 1472.74 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1488.36 1489.84 Yeah, unwrapped, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1473.3 1479.82 Um but y but uh you can still get a like you get th um basically if you do phase unwrapping and all of these other tricks,
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1499.91 1507.54 And then maybe you'd need some sort of correction to um to correct minor phase discontinuities at some point in time. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1489.84 1499.91 So I mean it's something that you could conceivably represent in some sort of low sort of r you know, low bit rate representation, I guess. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1479.82 1488.36 you end up with some sort of phase representation, which is some sort of monotonically decreasing function. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1483.3 1485.94 Some kind of linear yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1483.67 1484.41 Like it 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1487.97 1489.47 Unwrap uh phase. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1485.99 1487.97 If it is unwrap you mean. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1489.26 1489.82 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1489.82 1490.16 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1494.03 1494.45 Right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1494.05 1495.68 Some function or like a 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1497.31 1500.06 You l right, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1560.54 1564.09 You know, one second it's usually mixed right somehow together. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1506.66 1507.94 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1530.72 1539.46 So if you keep all the spectral lines as they were there but you were just uh quantizing with two bits or three bits for amplitude 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1509.36 1515.16 And for example what I found i well, in this case uh we are not trying to encode the speech signal. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1541.98 1544.94 The problem is that you have to transmit many of them. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1539.46 1540.7 two bits for for phase. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1551.43 1556.79 Or what you have to do then you have to decrease the the the size of not one second 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1556.79 1560.54 but you have to go down because then you can get just voiced part and unvoiced part. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1540.7 1541.98 So it's okay. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1523.18 1530.72 So what I was trying to encode at the phases, so I just found that uh two bits is enough for that and you really don't hear the difference. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1515.16 1523.18 We are trying to encode some carrier, which is much easier, I would say, because you can really im you can see that even. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1507.94 1509.36 I also play with that. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1544.94 1551.43 'Cause there is not just one dominant component but usually more others which are quite small, right. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1517.76 1518.42 'Cau 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1518.56 1519.84 Hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1521.15 1521.55 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1519.84 1521.15 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1519.38 1520.07 Yeah, yeah, sure. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1522.65 1523.5 Yeah, okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1530.6 1531.15 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1533.45 1533.74 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1535.11 1535.45 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1541.66 1542.19 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1544.71 1545 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1545 1545.48 Sure, sure. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1544.84 1545.3 Oh. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1549.3 1550.85 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1550.85 1551.17 Yep. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1550.7 1551.17 Yeah. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 1552.09 1552.38 True. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1554.58 1555.92 The size of the 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1560.83 1561.3 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1563.81 1564.26 Hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1579.6 1580.23 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1570.21 1570.94 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1564.34 1566.95 But you don't do any voice un-voice decision, no? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1572.99 1575.12 sorta the modelling, it's really another issue like. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1566.95 1569.29 Yeah, the that's even advantage I think for this approach. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1569.29 1570.21 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1575.99 1576.71 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1580.23 1583.94 And then you have to combine all this harmonic model and noise model. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1575.12 1575.99 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1577.97 1579.6 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1583.94 1585.94 So again you may end up some. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1570.94 1572.99 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1576.71 1577.97 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1566.17 1567.1 Not now, no. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1567.1 1567.42 I wi 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1566.8 1572.73 No, and you uh you wanna avoid hard choices on voicing decision, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1570.56 1573.39 Uh uh we don't no want to do that, yeah, because it's quite tricky. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1577.49 1580.14 I it stinks because this hard yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1575.04 1577.49 Well that's one of the big problems with L. P. C. ten for instance. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1575.37 1575.73 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1577.08 1579.14 yeah, sure. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1579.14 1579.65 Exactly. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1582.1 1582.81 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1595.48 1600.49 like ar around two hundred t uh hertz, and you take a look on the signal,
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1605.87 1609.59 Because uh for a low energies there is usually noise. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1612.51 1613.7 So it works pretty well for that. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1613.7 1616.38 So we might use this one information for that. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1616.38 1616.8 But 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1609.59 1612.51 For high energies there is kind of a harmonicity. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1590.72 1595.48 that that one which is trying to approximate that energy in some low band,
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1600.49 1605.87 on the trajectory, you can see that it works like kind of um voice detector. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1586.22 1590.72 But for example what we also found is that if you use just the Hilbert envelope 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1586.8 1587.08 'Cause 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1605.02 1605.83 Oh okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1605.21 1605.8 Yeah, sure. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 1605.76 1605.91 Mm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1609.45 1609.64 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1610.68 1612.07 The pe peak uh 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1612.18 1612.89 Yeah, yep. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1632.78 1640.58 Depending on the pitch, depending on the person, y you'll get a different amount of smoothing and a certain sort of so I mean,
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1623.67 1625.19 So this is what Alan Black's code uses. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1644.65 1645.69 So it's sorta tricky. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1640.58 1644.65 you know, if it's a female speaker for instance you yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1615 1623.67 But but that that two hundred this is what they use for like um st they they do use this for um for um pitch marking in speech. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1625.19 1632.78 But it's very speaker dependent wh on what sort of band width you'd look at this Hilbert envelope. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1622.64 1622.9 Mm-hmm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1620.24 1622.64 Yeah, I think so, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1625.73 1625.95 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1624.13 1625.73 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1631.56 1632.34 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1632.34 1632.62 Uh-huh. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1632.54 1633.18 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1635.21 1635.47 Mm-hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1635.73 1636.37 S 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1640.55 1640.81 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1639.22 1640.55 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1640.22 1640.59 Mm-hmm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1645.17 1645.36 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1642.82 1645.17 That's true, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1644.73 1647.66 So that's a you have to tune lot of parameters like I am. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1647.8 1649.06 Yeah, that's that's a problem. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1647.24 1647.8 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1647.28 1647.73 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1649.76 1651.9 But anyway, you don't really need hard decisions, no? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1651.9 1652.91 Like voiced unvoiced. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1649.84 1650.02 Sure. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1664.39 1671.71 I mean maybe if you did some sort of initial first p guess and then and then chose your smoothing factor based on that. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1671.71 1677.85 'Cause it it you know, selecting at any particular point of what the what the pitch is at the may be inaccurate. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1677.85 1682.1 But if you estimated it over a second, you should be able to get a decent estimate, I'd I'd think. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1656.14 1664.39 Y yeah, but from memory that that basic script that they had wasn't wasn't very um effective. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1653.48 1656.14 Uh n no. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1653.58 1654.27 Uh f 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1654.54 1658.1 So m maybe it may help you, but it yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1658.1 1658.52 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1655.81 1658.47 That would be nice n not to have anything, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1663.58 1664 Yeah yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1668.99 1669.46 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1669.06 1669.4 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1671.82 1672.74 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1675.76 1676.39 My 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1678.24 1678.52 Mm-hmm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1681.38 1681.86 Exactly. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1680.64 1681.38 Right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1691.03 1691.9 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1687.94 1691.03 Yeah, but yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1683.1 1687.94 But do you really really need it or like voiced unvoiced? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1691.9 1697.03 But it's not really you need t you don't need to specify at each point it's voiced or yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1686.83 1691.35 Maybe if you we uh really want to improve the the quality, then we will need it, I don't know, still. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1685.17 1686.83 Well I don't know. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1696.77 1704.48 Yeah, uh well, I'm gonna t have a time next next month or in three weeks so I'll try to play some examples there for you and 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1695.66 1696.77 N not now. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1703.34 1703.72 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1703.72 1710.43 Well it'd be nice to it would be nice to really see what this what you're a actually trying to reconstruct here. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1703.57 1703.77 Huh. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1711.26 1713.26 What we are trying to reconstr 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1717.43 1720.47 And you did say it looks like a frequency modulated cosine. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1712.53 1717.43 This carrier signal, what what it really looks l yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1715.13 1718.28 How does it look like or sure. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1719.87 1720.87 Yeah, more or less. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1722.18 1722.71 Hmm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1722.95 1724.73 It's kind of uh not frequency. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1724.73 1731.3 Let's say amplitude modulation when you have ju just the carrier and that modulation signal, right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1736.53 1737.13 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1743.33 1744.16 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1735.46 1736.53 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1733.17 1735.24 Like your delay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1737.13 1743.33 So then, yeah, then it's not exactly amplitude modulations or it's it's in between maybe. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1731.17 1733.17 But you're telling even frequency's also shifting, no? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1726.75 1728.87 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1735.24 1735.46 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1728.87 1731.17 And then amplitude. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1744.16 1745.09 S yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1731.28 1731.71 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1734.12 1738.03 It would have to be 'cause pitch shifts yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1734.26 1736.97 Yeah, we yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1739.85 1740.24 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1739.88 1740.53 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1743.39 1744.63 So it's not this and that. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1756.01 1760.39 And well I can again play it and it works on two kilo-bits per second. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1742.03 1743.39 It's in between, exactly. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1750.09 1756.01 The other is one to keep the phase like this one, like two spectrograms, one the phase and one the magnitude. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1766.35 1770.98 what I what I know, but for speech coding no no no, it was I don't know. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1744.63 1746.56 But still yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1760.39 1766.35 Quite what uh no, what uh he was doing he was using it for speech recognition,
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1746.56 1750.09 But anyway what also the other approach which is possible to use. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1746.71 1747.26 So yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1752.81 1753.11 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1755.64 1756.01 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1761.67 1763.85 But but he was keeping all the phase information. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1760.5 1761.67 That's what Marius did, no, like. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1784.48 1789.37 Yeah, but even especially the audio series and the that that's what he was telling like. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1793.25 1796.36 So but he's uh he's not I think finished with all that thing. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1796.36 1803.61 He's just transmitting all the phase and then but he's encoding the envelope, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1778.47 1784.48 So he doesn't really care about the band-widths or he want to have the quality, no, like. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1803.61 1803.83 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1772.78 1778.47 He was aiming for he's not really kind of doing speech coding, but he want to do it on music. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1790.8 1793.25 Twenty kilo-bits also is okay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1767.13 1772.78 No, but even the his coded like he just he he didn't do anything, he just transferred it that way. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1789.37 1790.8 Yeah, at least even ten K. bit. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1772.76 1774.38 For speech coding you mean? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1784.11 1785.2 I don't know. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1783.38 1784.11 I don't know. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1785.2 1786.5 M maybe. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1792.89 1793.49 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1793.49 1793.92 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1805.15 1811.91 There are m more papers which are using this approach, like trying to encode the magnitude spectrum or spectrogram. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1811.91 1817.52 Uh the phase or you just uh re can again the phase can be replaced by the noise, which is pretty good. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1832.13 1833.47 But you can understand well. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1799.67 1803.42 Well for example this phase information right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1798.85 1799.67 Mm-hmm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1820.73 1826.71 So if you really don't have a band width, you just can replace it by noise and it works. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1804.05 1805.15 I think so. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1817.52 1820.73 So that's uh the benefit uh variable approach. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1826.71 1832.13 Of course then it doesn't sound as the original because it's more whispered or whatever. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1803.42 1804.05 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1807.98 1808.43 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1808.43 1808.81 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1810.65 1812.29 And then leaving the phase, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1817.2 1817.37 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1819.99 1820.33 Hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1822.65 1823.02 Hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1825.11 1825.54 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1830.29 1830.73 Hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1833.61 1834.11 Mm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1872.31 1875.38 So you get the auto-correlation coefficients. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1886.87 1890.79 So you might see it's is more less like a line. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1856.57 1861.13 But here you are trying to compute uh doing a to do linear prediction. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1839.52 1854.05 of unwrap phase recre uh I also use because you can do it here when you get into uh this domain where you apply uh or you're trying to compute uh s power spectrum in in order t let's say that this kind of trajectory 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1878.06 1885.09 you can again get the you have got a complex f freq frequency or complex spectrum, you can get the phase, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1854.05 1856.57 it doesn't in fit the same frequency over time domain. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1863.94 1872.31 Then applying uh power in order to get um to s to power domain, and then I. F. F. T., right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1875.38 1878.06 So before you're applying uh power spectrum,
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1835.3 1839.52 And for example uh if you mention this one approach with the that uh trajectory of the phase 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1885.09 1886.87 And the phase look quite similar like this. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1861.13 1863.94 So we are just doing F. F. T., right. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1840.71 1841.01 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1851.5 1851.98 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1850.79 1851.5 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1861.29 1861.54 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1863.12 1863.46 Mm-hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1871.8 1872.33 Yeah, or 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 1872.37 1872.73 Mm-hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1873.96 1875.46 Auto-correlation coefficient and 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1881.36 1882.41 Yeah, again give the phase. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1879.97 1881.36 Yeah, they again give the phase. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1884.68 1884.95 Hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1884.99 1885.24 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1891.06 1895 And it it does start to get a little bit n non-linear towards the end. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1900.83 1902.11 So yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1895 1900.83 But normally that's that's when the components are not actually probably gonna be audible anyway in voiced speech, right. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1888.82 1891.06 Yeah, it's like a yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1890.95 1891.46 Oh. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1893.18 1893.48 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1895.73 1896.01 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1899.44 1899.88 Hmm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1900.98 1901.36 Right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1908.84 1912.58 And also like yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1912.58 1913.08 And 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1905.11 1908.84 Because you're just doing on uh your uh yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1903.93 1905.11 Like yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1902.04 1903.93 But this phase is different from your carrier, no? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1920.93 1922.01 Re well, you can understand. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1905.48 1908.56 Then you are doing in different domain. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1919.96 1920.93 But it doesn't work. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1922.01 1927.1 But you can here that there are many artifacts which right, exactly. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1910.69 1915.86 Um it is quite it's quite sensible to any quantization, what I found. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1903.48 1905.48 Yeah, it's it is very different, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1908.56 1910.69 I think this is in frequency domain, this in time domain. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1915.86 1917.21 Really it looks like the lines. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1917.21 1919.96 So you just say okay, let's p let's put the line there. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1911.54 1912.2 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1914.76 1915.02 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1919.24 1919.62 Hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1919.86 1920.13 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1922.47 1923.01 Yeah, sure. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1923.01 1923.04 C 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1924.45 1931.3 C 'cause any sort of error in that in that line is is transmitted, is realised in a net as a phase error, right. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1931.3 1931.69 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1940.6 1949.11 So that's why I didn't play with that so m more because I found there are more uh disadvantages than the advantages, this approach. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1949.11 1950.25 So that's why. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1930.39 1931.53 Right, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1934.58 1940.6 So you cannot say that this part will be the just the noise, which you can do in here in this this other approach. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1931.53 1934.58 And the another problem is that uh it's not band width variable. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1937.61 1937.96 Mm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1943.78 1944.06 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1949.31 1949.72 Mm yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1950.49 1950.87 Tricky, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1950.73 1953.82 But even you can use as a can you use that phase directly? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1953.82 1955.4 Whereas the d yeah, this one is direct 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1953.65 1954.35 You mean this one? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1954.35 1957.27 Yeah, if you take just the original phase and the 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1959.03 1960.38 Like it's not in time domain. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1960.38 1960.72 So 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1956.85 1959.03 But this is phase of your d uh spectrum, no? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1964.4 1970.94 It's the phase no, you can again put the that envelope with this phase together because envelope is twe 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1959.64 1960.07 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1963.31 1964.4 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1960.07 1963.31 Yeah, it's it's it's not a phase. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1963.03 1965.3 It's not so then it's bit tricky. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1962.27 1963.03 Of your signal. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1965.3 1966.15 Like how 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1970.05 1973.54 Okay, but still you get only the the magnitude of your Hilbert envelope. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1973.54 1974.54 You won't get the 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1972.4 1978.77 Y y y you have s five slices like n across that way, I guess. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 1971.92 1972.4 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1973.87 1974.17 No no. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1974.17 1975.57 You g no, you get the f 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1977.07 1979.74 Yeah, you get the complex complex spectrum with this. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1979.6 1982.03 No, but you started with Hil Hilbert envelope, no? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1982.03 1983.41 Like magnitude of Hilbert envelope. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1982.63 1986.2 No, no, I started with the D. C. T. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1985.11 1989.05 Magnitude of uh no, before D. C. T. your d oh. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1997.85 2004.57 So uh let's well so this is a speech. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2020.34 2021.45 You don't need the carrier. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2021.45 2026.16 I mean this is kind of a carrier signal but in different domain represented. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2012.05 2020.34 So it's not it's enough if you have just this phase and f and the Hilbert envelope, you can put it together. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1988.71 1994.31 No, after D. C. T. you are trying this is so kind of again a real trajectory, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 1994.31 1997.85 And you're trying to first find that Hilbert envelope. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2004.57 2012.05 No, but here what I want to say is really that y it's not part of Hilbert envelope, it's part of the D. C. T. signal. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1994.32 1994.63 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2003.74 2005.16 Just you're starting with 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 1998.96 2003.74 Ah, ok so input to the D. C. T. is the speech or like your yeah, okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2003.47 2003.82 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2010.71 2011.05 Ah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2010.24 2010.71 Ah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2011.05 2011.55 Ok ok ok 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2012.81 2013.93 Yeah, maybe the then 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2017.94 2018.24 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2019.71 2020.29 Ah okay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2026.25 2028.41 Yeah, it's in frequency domain, no. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2027.95 2028.69 Right, right. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2030.1 2030.39 Hmm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2033.14 2042.44 So I what I think is that we already will need to apply s kind of analysis by synthesis approach mm uh in order to get something. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2063.53 2067.51 source filter type approaches or or whatever, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2045.52 2063.53 Um and I mean uh and and in in fact I mean it's what you're doing is so different to most approaches to speech coding that it doesn't matter that we don't know much about or haven't had much i it's I mean it's quite different to a lot of the traditional sort uh so uh voi um you know,
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2067.51 2068.24 So 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2041.44 2045.52 Yeah, that makes sense 'cause it's a time domain sort of approach. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2044.22 2044.68 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2046.71 2046.98 What I 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2057.64 2058.96 You mean ye 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2056.48 2057.64 No. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2061.89 2062.31 Right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2065.71 2066.92 Yeah, definitely it's d 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2066.61 2067.26 Right, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2067.26 2068.83 Yes, that's true. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2068.83 2076.71 But I mean that's maybe even the advantage here because you it's not speech d based, which means we are not 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2068.83 2070.32 But now I think people 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2076.11 2079.26 It's just a matter of minimum distortion time. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2079.26 2079.69 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2077.05 2077.41 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2078.46 2079.04 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2090.19 2095.55 O I'm not mentioning uh voiceless because that's unvoiced, which means whispered. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2088.91 2090.19 Just for unvoiced speech. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2079.04 2088.91 So you can when I tried and comparing with L. P. C. ten on a uh twice bigger or higher bit rate, this work works better, it seems to me. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2090.61 2090.81 Sure. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2092.54 2100.53 Unvoiced unvoiced speech is very difficult to b sort of judge on quality compared to voiced, I think. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2098.35 2104.14 Uh yeah, but uh when you hear and try to use some examples with the music for example 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2102.94 2104.15 Plosives. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2107.44 2109.69 So maybe it does a better job of plosives. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2104.15 2107.44 Yeah, plosives are very important though, I guess. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2105.81 2106.19 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2106.84 2107.61 Right, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2110.28 2110.98 That's true, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2109.29 2110.28 Mm-hmm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2114.56 2117.75 I mean that there might be. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2112.35 2114.56 Uh but anyway, it seemed to me pretty good. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2117.75 2120.63 that's true, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2115.65 2117.94 It'd be nice if we had some demos here. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2117.94 2120.53 Well, I suppose have to wait to your I guess. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2114.64 2115.65 Okay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2121.09 2122.21 So when is your turn? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2122.21 2122.56 Uh 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2122.57 2125.5 Uh it should be uh thirteenth December I think. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2125.46 2129.13 I mean just before. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2129.13 2130.71 Oh you. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2124.02 2124.83 Oh. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2124.83 2125.46 Oh okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2129.77 2131.63 No. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2125.27 2128.12 Oh it's a little wa oh bugger. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2128.12 2129.77 I won't be, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2131.63 2135.83 You'll practice it before then, won't you? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2134.77 2140.57 No, I just swapped it with uh Mike Perrot I think 'cause h he is not going to be here this time. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2127.23 2131.58 I just uh you won't be here. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2140.57 2143.33 And I was supposed to have it in uh in January. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2143.33 2144.55 So whatever. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2131.58 2134.77 Uh okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2140.69 2141.17 Yep. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2139.42 2140.69 Yeah, he's going to Oz. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2147.09 2155.57 So But anyway, I I wanted to hear something maybe from you what you are doing f with speech coding because you were you mentioned that 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2146.85 2147.09 Anyway. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2155.38 2156.19 I did, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2156.19 2162.78 But we're d we're doing a more traditional s s frequency slices rather than temporal based stuff. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2159.39 2159.99 By 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2162.51 2166 But it was based on like you were using kind of recognizer there, right? 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2168.44 2168.69 Yep. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2189.77 2191.04 I it's yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2165.73 2166.46 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2168.69 2176.32 And the other approach was was this H. M. M. based stuff, which is which is basically just a parameterization of the, you know,
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2185.53 2189.77 But that's not terribly that's got no relationship to this. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2166.46 2168.44 Well that's w that was one of the approaches, sure. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2176.32 2185.53 the the the the um the source filter type parameters, and then and then learning the, you know, training like a h speech recognition system. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2168.65 2169.21 Low bit rate. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2179.86 2180.17 Uh-huh. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2182.98 2184.23 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2184.23 2184.44 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2189.46 2191.19 Yeah, it's I'm I mean yeah, it's different. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2191.19 2194.69 But uh it's speech coding at least. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2193.4 2194.1 Speech coding. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2192.96 2193.4 Yeah, sure. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2197.34 2198.71 Um little standards. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2198.71 2215.44 But um I mean I think I think you're on the right track with the analysis by synthesis but that doesn't tell you how what sort of bit rates you're going to achieve or um and because you have to do it separately for each um band 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2194.1 2197.34 I I read some of the other techniques. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2215.44 2218.57 it would be the I imagine that's the tricky part. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2193.21 2194.96 Yes. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2205.16 2205.79 I think so. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2208.71 2209.42 Yeah, sure. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2208.33 2208.71 Right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2212.52 2213 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2213.4 2215.17 Band you mean? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2215.17 2215.55 Right. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2226.48 2235.16 Like w within each um when you go along the the the b the one second sort of segment of the band, you 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2220.04 2226.48 Um because it would be varying quite rapidly, wouldn't it, your um your uh code book. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2229.73 2230.61 With different 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2254.96 2255.49 Still 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2239.48 2243.58 We can do a Hilbert envelope approximation with one second. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2243.58 2251.42 But then we can split that signal into, I don't know, ten ten uh segments with the one hundred milliseconds or even less,
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2234.79 2239.48 But maybe what we can already do is uh to decrease this uh this distance. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2234.11 2234.79 I don't know. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2251.42 2254.96 and we can apply some other technique for that, you know. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2243.36 2243.76 Hmm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2244.56 2244.67 Hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2248.83 2249.35 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2258.14 2266.96 and then start thinking about how to given 'cause I mean I guess especially 'cause this is a this is a more of a commercial based project,
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2254.69 2258.14 First you've gotta choose your approach and not worry about the band-width 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2253.94 2254.69 Well, I mean yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2273.39 2276.81 I mean d d do they I mean what what what sort of uh 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2253.42 2253.94 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2266.96 2273.39 you've g c you've you've gotta i match the quality before you start worrying about other things, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2258.19 2259.14 Exactly, exactly. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2257.8 2258.19 Right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2258.54 2258.73 Hmm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2261.36 2261.8 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2291.1 2295.42 which is c again different, but with uh high quality, uh they would be happy with the both. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2281.56 2284.35 they just want to get something new, you know. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2274.08 2281.56 Well, th more less they don't care what's uh what will be the quality of the of the or the bit rate,
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2284.35 2291.1 So if you get the v very uh low bit rate with a reasonable quality or really high bit rate,
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2295.42 2302.91 So You know, on one side it's pretty good but on the other you don't know which way you should go 'cause there are many of them. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2302.91 2303.92 And uh 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2286.01 2287.72 Well that makes things uh 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2283.75 2286.01 Uh-huh, okay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2284.36 2287.11 Oh okay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2287.11 2287.53 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2290.96 2291.43 With 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2291.15 2291.59 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2293.57 2295.17 They're happy. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2296.73 2297.73 Cool. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2295.17 2296.73 Okay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2293.98 2296.77 Yeah yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2296.77 2299.78 Yeah, you know, the the 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2301.19 2303.23 Sure, sure. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2309.04 2309.52 Mm-hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2300.92 2301.19 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2303.23 2307.65 And at the moment you're at sort of a point where maybe you have to make that choice a little bit. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2307.65 2309.04 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2307.17 2307.87 Right, right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2307.67 2308.02 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2311.3 2313.12 Okay. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2313.12 2315.14 Well I I will 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2313.61 2313.85 Hmm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2321.59 2324.88 So you are saying that you're doing something i in India with uh 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2316.67 2321.59 W uh do you want to mention your speech coding experiments? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2316.9 2317.33 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2319.98 2320.5 Uh. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2320.5 2321.96 No no no, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2324.96 2328.34 But it's mostly like this is uh s CELP and these thing. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2324.62 2324.96 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2327.33 2332.61 So you know the sub mm like um more details? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2341.94 2348.33 how it works is like they give all the pseudo code kind of thing and then they put severe test conditions. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2348.33 2350.42 So you have to pass those test conditions. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2330.31 2338.39 No, I was t uh doing some uh like writing some code for testing and these things where I'm making some t standards for that. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2338.39 2341.94 So so th th there are like li the thing, these standards 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2350.42 2355.04 Like then j you can say okay, we implemented D. seventy eight or D. se 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2337.41 2338.17 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2338.17 2339.67 Uh which is not 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2346.17 2346.55 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2350.91 2351.69 Oh yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2351.69 2352.21 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2354.34 2354.67 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2360.61 2365.51 I mean all the M. PEG standards are basically this is the container, we don't care how you do it, right 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2365.51 2371.09 but it's gotta fit inside this this sort of this sort of format. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2354.67 2360.61 Al although the standards, depending on what standard you're dealing with, sometimes it can be quite ambiguous, right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2362.17 2363.12 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2363.12 2364.16 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2360.84 2361.05 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2359.62 2360.84 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2364.16 2365.88 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2361.05 2362.17 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2367.07 2370.4 Right, right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2384.33 2386.75 So I did for some even also. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2368.69 2373.6 So that's why it's really even the t standards they give the test signals also. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2390.35 2391.3 Everything they define. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2394.19 2397.84 Yes, this industry is again different like, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2373.6 2376.66 You are t you can't really do it on whatever database you have. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2391.3 2394.19 So you need to follow all those. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2376.66 2381.46 So so you are to use the uh uh yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2386.75 2390.35 They're also they define all this the speech condition. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2367.35 2368.69 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2381.46 2384.33 Uh it yeah, it's more like uh they define. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2376.6 2377.19 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2377.19 2383.27 And then you have the v and then you have to do M. O. S. um testing and 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2391.86 2392.26 Okay. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2392.41 2393.46 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2393.46 2393.87 I see. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2408.73 2410.42 There is nothing new, more or less. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2420.31 2423.75 But they they have uh the pattern I think for CELP even. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2398.05 2403.91 Yeah, but it's quite interesting with the even with th uh s current speech coding uh technologies. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2423.75 2424.1 Or 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2403.91 2408.73 We are they are still trying to use k zap or those R. P. based approaches. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2410.42 2418.83 And if I when I was uh listening the uh the talk of uh Milan Jelinek, uh he's the Czech guy, but he lives in uh in Canada. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2418.83 2420.31 I don't know the name of the university. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2407.3 2411.06 Yeah, I think there isn't only se most yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2410.14 2411.11 Well, ho it 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2428.19 2430.16 Like A. T. and yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2424.37 2425.31 Ah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2425.31 2428.19 CELP is from uh A. T. and T., no? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2430.16 2432.36 It the all this L. P. C. stuff is 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2424.58 2425.09 Okay. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2434.44 2437.8 What they did exactly I don't know, if something different a little bit or not 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2427 2434.44 Um I don't know how it is exactly but they got very very famous for this for that CELP. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2450.51 2457.61 he was asking wh so what's new that you are so famous with that and they n they said okay, we we know exactly how to do that. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2465.5 2468.96 So uh there is nothing so much new really like. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2437.8 2441.62 or they just keep those patterns or I don't know how it is exactly. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2442.98 2447.81 But uh when I heard those that presentation, they didn't do so much new. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2441.62 2442.98 Maybe Hynek will know much more. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2463.17 2465.5 But uh it's not so easy to implement it, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2447.81 2450.51 I mean uh it was last year and uh I think Hynek,
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2457.61 2463.17 I mean you know, not to make any errors like in because everybody knows how to do that. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2434.36 2434.85 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2437.5 2438.19 Ah, ok 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2439.96 2441.96 Ah, okay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2443.3 2443.67 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2441.96 2443.3 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2441.17 2441.21 Mm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2442.98 2444.37 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2444.37 2444.76 Well, I th 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2448.07 2448.85 No, no, no. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2459.21 2459.75 The 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2458.81 2459.21 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2466.09 2466.44 Yep. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2464.92 2466.09 Uh no, no, no. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2470.33 2470.48 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2468.62 2470.33 Yeah, that's the main thing even. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2469.12 2472.39 Well the the what's what's new is in the transmission medium. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2501.84 2505.73 or or how was it affected by packet loss and and and things like that. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2482.89 2485.48 The where th where they're they're not so much looking at the algorithm 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2496.89 2501.84 the the publications are sort of like um how do we deal with packet loss 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2485.48 2491.21 but so much as how to incorporate the algorithm within a new transi mission sort of s medium. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2491.21 2496.89 Basically s like I mean if you d if you see a lot of papers on like um on uh voice over I. P. or whatever 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2472.39 2480.53 Like you know, new like higher band width transmission or uh or like packet packetized based transmission. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2480.53 2482.89 And then all th that sort of thing. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2473.1 2473.36 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2475.8 2476.1 Right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2480.42 2480.67 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2481.69 2482.27 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2485.71 2486.14 Exactly. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2488.51 2488.75 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2490.44 2491.66 Yeah, like I. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2498.61 2498.96 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2497.23 2498.61 Uh yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2495.14 2497.23 Voice over I. P. or yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2498.91 2499.23 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2504.92 2511.09 But then they are s still using like error signal, which is going to be approximated by code book, right? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2502.82 2504.92 Right, ri right, exactly, exactly. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2511.09 2518.89 And a linear prediction, which is use which is approximating just the spectrum of for for and everything that that's that's all. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2518.89 2521.24 So still 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2510.42 2510.92 Yeah, sure. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2512.98 2513.32 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2515.85 2516.1 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2526.55 2530.04 So they're to put all these things on again D. S. P. s. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2519.28 2520.26 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2520.26 2526.55 And again, lot of this stuff like whe even when I was working mostly that company was developing for voice over I. P. . 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2530.04 2538.47 And also it's mostly like how to how many L. P. C. s are yeah, how many co yeah, it's optimation and then it's even 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2530.98 2531.51 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2530.61 2530.98 Right. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2532.59 2536.04 And optimization of the code and all that sorta stuff. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2536.04 2537.62 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2537.62 2543.44 But even that's less of a big deal now, right, because all the little um I. s yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2550.33 2551.15 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2544.55 2548.98 Even the memories are not really yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2539.96 2540.35 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2540.35 2544.55 Again, now now now even they're also becoming yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2550.14 2550.33 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2548.98 2550.14 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2542.14 2544.58 Right. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2546.81 2550.35 You could trow Matlab on a mobile phone these days. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2550.35 2551.78 Well, maybe not, but 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2546.21 2546.81 Not really. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2558.73 2560.5 It's short really. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2552.98 2558.73 So even I think uh then you can have whatever band-width is. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2558.3 2558.76 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2562.13 2567.19 Well, I hope that we still have a a lot of time for that because uh 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2565.94 2570.11 But no, I think uh but still then that's what maybe people are going toward sign sort of modelling, no. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2570.11 2577.35 Like I was before when the bandwidth conditions were really stringent then they were using all the p L. P. C. based source filter. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2571.67 2574.23 I think yeah, it's pretty interesting, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2574.44 2575.06 Y yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2576.35 2583.79 For example when I was uh you know, harmonic voice modelling, that H. M. M. system which is using used for synthesis more less. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2584.64 2586.66 I mean it it works it works well. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2583.79 2584.64 It's pretty interesting. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2581.44 2583.65 Yeah, which David did, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2583.17 2583.38 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2585.66 2588.3 Yeah, if you want you can look at his code and. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2584.92 2585.66 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2588.3 2590.44 But only th yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2585.09 2585.91 It's good, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2593.73 2602.9 But it was pretty hard to tell that it was m not not perfect unless you heard the samples sort of next to one another. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2591.03 2593.73 There was little bit of bugs with some of the matching. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2602.9 2603.98 So that's not too bad. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2589.44 2591.03 So uh It wasn't perfect. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2588.02 2589.44 Yeah, we've got all his code implemented. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2590.09 2590.44 Right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2595.67 2596.09 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2600.65 2600.98 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2606.3 2606.8 Different. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2606.8 2614.53 Yeah, it's really but uh how much you can get the compress these like what you're telling is you can do all these tricks like. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2614.53 2617.01 Yeah, these yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2604.3 2606.3 But definitely it's better than co coded speech, no? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2604.41 2604.8 Right. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2606.59 2607.78 Oh, sure. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2607.78 2608.65 And I mean it 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2608.09 2609.16 Yeah, yeah, it is. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2611.25 2611.71 Well th 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2630.46 2632.93 That's easily enough handled just using standard techniques. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2632.93 2634.74 But the 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2616.52 2627.1 And we've got a student starting in January who's gonna start working on on how to actually efficiently parameterize the um the H. M. M. yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2627.1 2630.46 And I think I think we've got a number of ideas for the the spectrum. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2614.75 2616.52 The only trick is the phase. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2624.05 2626.26 You mean uh in sinusoidal uh modelling? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2625.91 2626.54 In yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2648.35 2650.03 But s I'm little confused about it. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2644.94 2648.35 Because I I tried you know those th those papers. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2637.88 2642.98 which means magnitude spectrum, and then you are trying to reconstruct the speech? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2633.13 2637.88 And but anyway, do you know exactly how it is done when you really have those M. F. C. C. coefficients,
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2642.98 2644.94 Without a phase. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2650.96 2651.3 But 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2631.46 2633.13 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2650.03 2650.96 I don't know how it works. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2644.81 2646.46 Uh you reviewed a paper on a 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2643.66 2644.81 I've got no idea. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2642 2643.66 Without phase? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2656.05 2657.19 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2644.97 2650.45 Well yeah, I read uh I reviewed one paper like yeah, the that's that's from no. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2650.45 2656.05 Yeah, maybe you can look at dates from uh you know east of uh east uh yeah, East Anglia. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2657.19 2661.41 Uh this uh e east University of East Anglia, Ben Milner. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2652.97 2654.97 Uh Steven Cox, isn't it? 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2654.97 2655.4 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2655.94 2656.34 Which one? 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2660.7 2666.87 It's near c sort of it's it's near the sorta Cambridge side of England, I guess. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2658.33 2660.7 University of East Anglia. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2667.16 2670.5 I yeah, it's yeah, I can forward you that. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2666 2667.16 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2670.5 2671.63 They're doing lot of tricks. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2682.21 2682.53 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2681.78 2682.21 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2671.63 2681.78 They're like they're again training Gaussian mixtures for different frequencies and then but they can they're following the yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2670.52 2671.63 Yeah, that would be nice. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2674.6 2675.17 Oh. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2677.33 2680.28 You know, m but there are some algorithms which were quite uh 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2682.21 2686.57 Yeah, just basically doing a search through or or stuff stuff like that, don't they? 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2680.09 2682.21 No the much more mathematical, I think. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2686.57 2687.15 Or 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2682.76 2683.16 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2681.8 2682.76 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2691.74 2699.82 Whereas like the pitch estimation in in the X. waves or these things, they're all dynamic programming based on again L. P. C. analysis. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2689.75 2691.74 Like mainly like yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2687.2 2689.75 No no, the those things are again based on L. P. C., no? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2691.77 2692.66 Like try 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2690.12 2691.77 Uh it seems to me, yeah, something like that. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2715.06 2715.94 No, I've no idea. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2699.71 2704.55 What you can do is uh take just the minimum phase of which you can get from a linear prediction, right? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2706.2 2709.32 And it sounds quite uh reasonably the two. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2704.55 2706.2 You know what I mean, minimum phase signal. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2712.58 2715.06 So I don't know how they do that exactly. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2695.95 2699.71 You know what you can do um maybe. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2709.32 2712.58 But of course they are li it's not original at all. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2698.78 2699.16 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2706.01 2707 And then construct that. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2704.54 2706.01 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2706.51 2706.87 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2719.38 2725.8 Like these guys, what they're doing for distributor speech recognition mainly, this uh so. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2714.8 2716.35 Huh. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2716.35 2719.38 Yeah, again like uh no, the problem is different for everybody. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2726.93 2727.53 So 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2725.8 2726.93 Uh yeah, M. F. C. C. s. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2715.03 2715.33 No. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2730.57 2735.41 The Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2726.35 2730.57 But th I think I think the I think it was to was it to do with Aurora or something? 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2735.41 2736.07 I was 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2724.23 2724.74 Sure. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2723.68 2724.23 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2724.74 2726.35 Where you've only got the M. F. C. C. s. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2723.86 2724.21 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2724.21 2724.75 True, right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2730.5 2731.97 No, it's E. T. S. A. or something. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2737.52 2738.67 So yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2731.97 2737.52 European Standard yeah Hynek really n yeah, even it's h kind of Aurora framework. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2733.1 2735.91 For n for Aurora we didn't do anything with that. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2737.92 2738.39 Okay. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2742.03 2742.86 Yeah, yeah, sure. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2741.72 2742.03 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2737.95 2741.72 Yeah, but we didn't do any speech recon re reconstruction. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2742.02 2742.9 Yeah, now they're 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2740.35 2742.02 No, but now it's bit. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2742.41 2747.28 Yeah, but it w it was for say um say you've got someone who has you know 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2752.85 2756.39 And the recognition network was wrong and you owe me money or whatever. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2747.28 2752.85 they wanna dispute that this is what they actually said by the recognition. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2767.96 2772.9 There's a lot of sort of, well, does the quality stand up to legal sort of requirements or whatever. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2763.2 2767.96 Hey voila it sounds like you uh Uh I mean obviously there's a lot more to it than that. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2756.39 2763.2 Um and then they can say well we've we've reconstructed your speech from the speech recogni input to the speech recognizer. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2772.9 2774.6 But um 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2751.18 2751.51 Right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2759.7 2762.44 And then yeah, M. F. C. s 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2769.07 2769.34 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2770.87 2771.87 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2771.87 2772.23 Right. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2773.95 2779.9 But even at distant point they're planning to use for j uh standard D. S. M. or D. S. it's not? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2779.9 2780.51 Or 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2797.6 2798.86 You have to deal with what you're given. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2787.78 2793.38 Which uh I think requires, you know, that states the un the information they can send is this. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2786.5 2787.78 Yep. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2793.38 2797.6 So I don't know whether you tack on any extra phase information or whatever. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2784.06 2786.5 Y yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2798.86 2799.92 So 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2780.36 2784.06 Oh no, that there's a separate set of standards I think for speech recognition. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2785.33 2786.75 European, yeah, commission. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2782.02 2782.76 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2786.75 2787 So 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2782.76 2785.33 E. uh E. T. S. A. I., yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2789.56 2791.18 M yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2791.18 2791.33 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2794.73 2797.9 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2798.93 2803.71 Yeah, i yeah, all these standards are really okay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2797.9 2798.93 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2804.19 2804.59 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2804.59 2805.42 I don't know. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2805.42 2807.28 I I it would be interesting. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2807.28 2813.03 You I mean maybe that's the best approach to look at to begin with is just pretend all you have got is 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2812.91 2817.45 You mean with this phase uh sure. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2817.45 2817.91 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2814.5 2815.13 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2817.15 2822.74 Um because you can also interpolate the pitch information from the the spectrum as well. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2821.84 2822.31 But 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2821.09 2821.84 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2823.63 2827.3 Yeah, they do some kind of reconstruction of speech. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2827.3 2827.64 Uh yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2824.78 2825.38 They do that. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2826.61 2826.9 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2827.5 2833.24 So I mean maybe try to see how good you can go without transmitting any of that information. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2827.04 2827.5 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2831.71 2833.23 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2833.23 2834.57 That's true, yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2833.38 2835.31 But the quality again problem, no like? 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2836.78 2838.52 I th didn't think you could really tell. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2835.32 2836.78 The pitch was really good, I thought. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2843.92 2845.7 Then you are to construct the thing. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2845.7 2851.92 But if have M. F. C. C. s then like again you have to get the high order M. F. C. C. s and then yeah, then you're have to 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2837.7 2837.93 No no. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2837.93 2843.92 The the eu again, European standard, what this give us, they give the M. F. C. C. s and they give the pitch. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2843.48 2843.76 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2844.82 2845.65 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2854.13 2861.98 you get quite fine reconstruction of the spectrum at the lower frequencies it which is what you need for reconstruction of the pitch anyway. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2850.52 2854.13 Yeah, but but the thing is if it's Mel scaled, if you have a Mel scale 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2859.87 2860.25 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2863.23 2863.46 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2862.49 2863.23 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2864.95 2865.4 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2865.4 2865.76 So 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2873.03 2876 But it'd be nice if you didn't because then I mean that's well 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2876 2882.83 I mean it's worth giving it a go and then men maybe seeing wh what information you can add to the data stream to improve performance. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2871.81 2873.03 The pitch isn't that big a deal. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2865.33 2871.81 So I mean if you wanted to transmit with fewer bands, you'd maybe still keep the lower bands or or maybe you could still transmit the pitch. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2869.66 2870.13 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2873.29 2874.08 Yep. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2874.08 2874.4 Yep. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2881.65 2882.46 Mm-hmm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2883.89 2884.54 Sure, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2882.46 2883.89 Mm-hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2884.25 2884.74 Um 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2886.44 2887.93 I don't know. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2888.09 2888.47 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2888.11 2888.5 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2891.01 2893.84 That that'd be cool. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2893.84 2894.88 So get coding. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2893.4 2895.38 So how about you? 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 2900.75 2905.48 So this is coding then s you code the speech, then you're also supposed to transmit the speech, right? 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 2895.04 2897.04 I've never done any coding in my life. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 2897.04 2900.75 So I just have one curiosity. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 2915.64 2920.9 So adding channel information on the image at the same time in order to save sound bits. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 2909.03 2915.64 I remember when I was doing some image processing, there were techniques for compressing and then coding. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 2905.48 2909.03 Th let's say in G. S. M. or something else. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2905.9 2906.25 Yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2908.72 2908.98 Yeah. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 2922.32 2922.93 You see what I mean? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2922.32 2924.73 You mean like channel and source coding together? 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 2924.57 2925.04 Exactly. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2926.57 2927.09 Or no. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 2927.55 2933.05 I d was just wondering if there's some s someone was doing it with speech as well. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2936.33 2945.15 which might be more less like it's source coding and then we also channel coding because we just smooth the or just I don't know. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2933.19 2936.33 Well I can imagine kind of like J. PEG operations 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2945.15 2945.81 I don't know. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 2957.85 2958.5 You don't know? 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 2958.5 2958.92 Okay. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 2952.95 2957.85 So I was wondering if by any chance there was something like this in speech with the speech. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 2947.36 2952.95 And then you al you add com some complexity to the signal in order to recover the error. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 2942.89 2947.36 Well actually, when you compress yeah, all like first you compress the signal, right? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2949.94 2950.48 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2951.49 2952.44 R right, right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2949.45 2949.94 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2950.48 2951.49 Right. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2957.08 2957.7 I don't know. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2958.1 2958.66 Hmm. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2958.91 2961.41 Mm I think w 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2960.06 2960.23 Mm. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2969.08 2970.54 They're just standard techniques. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2970.54 2978.61 But 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2960.46 2966.28 I don't know so much about s channel coding, like those Huffman coding stuff and, you know. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2966.28 2967.95 I mean it's just standard. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2967.95 2969.08 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2974.33 2976.3 Uh that that's where I stop. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2976.3 2979.24 Run length encoding, I'm out of here. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2965.26 2968.97 Ah, well I mean Huffman's easy enough. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 2968.97 2974.33 But but yeah, sure. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2967.81 2971.92 Yeah. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 2968.37 2976.07 Well It's not the most difficult, right? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 3006.71 3009.83 So it's mm. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 3003.48 3005.68 They are these channel coding. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 3000.69 3003.48 So they have the speech coding standards again. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 3005.68 3006.71 So yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2984.02 2991.42 Maybe they have the compression standards and again coding stand but maybe uh I I read ah yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2981.12 2984.02 Like these standards again, all these G. S. M. standards. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2991.42 3000.69 I don't remember anything like yeah, they're doing yeah, combi yeah, the even even G. even normal G. seventy nine, normal speech coder. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 2979.82 2981.12 But I think again it's different, no? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 3009.83 3010.36 Yeah, b 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2986.14 2986.94 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 2983.88 2986.14 Yeah, exactly. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 2987.67 2991.84 And and this was the problem actually because you were 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 2986.21 2987.67 Sure, sure. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 2997.78 2998.26 Uh 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 2995.49 2997.78 No not not in G. S. M., definitely definitely not. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 3000.94 3002.01 Okay. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 3008.05 3008.62 So yeah. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 3005.05 3008.05 Then th they some, you know, source. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 3005.21 3005.65 Okay. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 3011.8 3012.59 Just one. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 3010.49 3011.8 Okay. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 3012.01 3020.06 I mean I I th I think they do try to I mean obviously the the the techniques they they choose are supposed to be less,
IN1013 H00 MIE034 3022.97 3027 You know, i but I mean that's maybe the the limit to that. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 3020.06 3022.97 you know, susceptible to coding errors, let's say. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 3014.96 3015.55 Maybe. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 3021.12 3022.86 Yeah. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 3022.48 3024.23 Yeah. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 3024.23 3025.32 Definitely. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 3028.56 3029.45 Again, yeah, i 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 3026.3 3028.56 Yeah. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 3028.91 3029.37 Yeah. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 3033.85 3034.29 So okay? 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 3035.84 3036.81 H yeah. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 3035.07 3035.84 I think so. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 3038.62 3040.66 Okay. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 3036.81 3038.62 end. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 3040.66 3041.41 Thank you guys. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 3038.71 3066.33 Okay, thank you. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 3038.33 3038.71 Okay. 
IN1013 H02 MIO105 3035.25 3038.33 Is it good? 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 3035.9 3036.13 Yep. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 3036.65 3037 Okay. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 3037.47 3039.62 Th thank you then. 
IN1013 H01 MIO078 3039.62 3039.88 Oh. 
IN1013 H00 MIE034 3039.43 3040.02 Okay. 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 3044.46 3047.86 Uh if you find some good paper which you might 
IN1013 H03 MIO097 3049.9 3054.35 There was that fam fam waveform pro prototyping cor 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 26.39 27.18 With the lapel. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 49.77 55.83 So we I think we organise uh just to to discuss uh 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 54.64 56.75 Sorry. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 56.75 59.99 I don't have my presentation. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 62.43 67.45 To discuss uh, yeah, the project Alexandre and uh Jean-Marc uh proposed 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 63.2 63.45 Um 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 81.76 86.03 Uh I think Olivier prepared some slides about uh reviewing uh 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 78.09 81.76 And so we will start with uh an introduction. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 69.27 78.09 a about uh capturing uh audio, video and slide uh in a synchronized way. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 84.96 85.23 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 87.92 89.03 current systems. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 89.03 90.57 And um 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 92.12 95.44 And then, even if we don't have many things to to talk about 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 95.44 107.24 just to to start discussing about clearly the project and also um dealing with our kind of timing constraints. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 107.24 108.38 And uh 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 106.2 106.52 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 107.43 110.75 So they're on my they're on a. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 117.14 118.81 And you didn't put on the 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 114.22 117.14 The U. U. S. U. uh U. S. B. cord doesn't work? 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 118.45 118.89 No no. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 118.89 119.33 They are. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 120.44 123.13 Maybe you can access through the network. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 124.8 126.11 If it's on your H. . 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 130.16 130.94 My D. machine. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 127.76 128.58 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 128.58 130.16 No, no. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 127.77 129.8 Or it's on uh your D. machine. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 132.84 135.88 So maybe we wi we will be able to. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 134.09 134.41 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 136.83 137.08 Okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 139.08 140.75 Should work. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 140.75 140.97 What? 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 139.09 139.8 Just going 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 142.74 143.35 Keep going. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 169.65 171.68 Yeah, it would be great to use the white-board. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 145.08 156.59 So um w yeah, we had like five slides y uh presenting different systems. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 156.59 159.37 And mayb maybe you we can do that at the white-board. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 164.97 169.65 And uh I'm sure uh we can do that at the white-board. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 161.54 164.97 I think you remember well the different uh parts. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 159.37 160.33 I it's a bit stupid. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 160.33 161.54 But uh y you know. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 146.18 148.49 The show must go on. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 156.65 157.12 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 163.8 164.26 Okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 166.96 168.41 So uh uh yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 166.45 166.96 Okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 168.41 169.53 I will do something like that. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 173.47 179.95 So uh I would like just to review at the different project regarding acquisition system. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 194.38 196.88 The third one yeah, maybe I can share that with you. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 172.57 173.47 Okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 183.21 188.29 The first one is called SMAC, which is developed by Fribourg and CERN. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 188.29 190.28 The second one i is your system. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 190.28 194.38 Uh I would to say the cheap meeting room system. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 179.95 183.21 So basically there are five systems. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 196.35 198.77 So the the the first one is uh SMAC. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 198.77 199.03 Okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 199.46 200.9 The SMAC, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 200.9 201.57 Should I write? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 201.88 202.55 Yeah, maybe yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 205.98 206.37 Okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 207.79 211.33 Just a review of current systems uh to introduce. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 209.22 209.62 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 209.62 211 Sure, that's interest us. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 210.83 213.86 The first one is yeah, I will call that A. . 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 218.92 221.5 SMAC, which is develop by Fribourg and CERN. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 221.5 222.78 The second one, B., 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 224.87 231.93 which is uh I would like to che say uh cheap uh meeting room or I don't know. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 232.45 233.32 It should. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 232.08 232.45 It's okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 238.4 238.77 Or 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 232.92 238.4 Well, cheap meeting room is the, you know, mm it's a conference room? 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 236.05 243.36 But for the moment just for the purpose well, f for the moment it's just to understand each other so we know we know that the uh 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 236.07 239.21 Okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 236.88 239.59 You can say then you 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 241.94 245.92 It I th I thought it was called PAS, so I think just use this. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 246.48 246.99 Alexandre. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 245.53 246.48 PAS. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 244.02 245.53 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 246.99 248.42 PAS. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 248.42 248.69 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 247.31 248.5 Yeah, good idea. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 246.42 247.31 It's okay. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 245.04 246.42 Yeah for with PAS. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 246.79 247.98 P. A. S. . 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 248.11 248.49 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 247.85 248.11 PAS. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 249.32 251.22 Okay, P. A. S. . 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 251.22 252.52 The third one is um 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 254.13 257.7 Yeah that's not that 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 251.75 254.13 Uh this sounds like Alexandre pas. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 254.2 259.19 P PAS project. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 254.23 258.33 Okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 258.33 268.08 The third one is called uh the s um this is uh the smart meeting room develop at Fribourg which is called the smart 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 272.61 277.58 Because a Sma yeah, Smart Minute is all the process of capturing the minutes automatically. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 277.58 280.02 But it's Diva we can say. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 267.37 272.61 Smart mediat uh Smart Minutes, but uh I thi Diva. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 271.02 272.32 Something like this. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 268.61 270.47 It's Diva. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 272.32 272.52 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 270.47 271.02 N'est-ce pas? 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 272.64 273.36 It's DIVA. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 276.29 276.73 Okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 278.27 279.58 The p DIVA. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 295.76 299.12 Uh for that we will use um uh 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 287.55 295.76 The third one is call uh the third one is uh the project that I have to improve the current smart meeting room at IDIAP. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 281.85 287.55 D. I. V. A., something like that. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 286.98 287.26 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 300.64 305.64 Yeah, a tape three uh okay, let's call that. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 308.87 310.39 Free. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 332.25 334.03 E., which is firewire. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 329.95 332.25 Uh okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 323.63 328.21 Um I don't know if you saw my presentation during my turn. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 328.21 329.95 You did you? 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 317.68 323.63 And the last one I would like just mention just to for the meeting and this is uh the fire-wire. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 328.07 328.26 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 329.58 329.68 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 346.13 348.89 So maybe I draw line here. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 342.86 346.13 So I will start just with the SMAC. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 341.33 342.86 Okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 348.89 350.11 So the SMAC 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 367.87 374.69 But I'm just going to make a very short um graphic. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 364.77 367.87 Yeah, this project is done with Fribourg and CERN. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 352.5 364.77 The SMAC project the SMAC project is a project which aims to do the acquisition of audio, video and slide uh for presentation. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 374.69 376.01 In fact, they use um 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 386.4 388.6 I just write I. V. C. . 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 378.45 386.4 a card, a video card which is call um I. V. C. mm yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 388.6 393.24 In fact, this is a video card with four um inputs. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 385.57 385.81 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 384.6 385.57 Doesn't matter. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 384.33 384.6 Mm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 402.99 412.45 So on one input they put um a conversion box, a converter, which converts from slide 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 399.2 402.99 But uh they want to make also the slide acquisition. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 395.8 399.2 On these four inputs you can have only video. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 426.96 430.2 Um so this one is just for the SMAC. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 415.88 419.3 So that mean that we decrease uh the the quality. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 414.88 415.88 to video. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 430.2 432.28 Now I will just move. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 432.28 432.49 D 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 419.3 426.96 We have a high quality in slide and we go to low quality to lower quality with uh video. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 431.97 435.36 And this the three of those are the v the the video 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 443.87 446.8 This is uh the box that we have on the table. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 446.8 448.63 The the card that we have on the table. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 434.12 434.53 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 436.52 437.82 You can use uh them. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 434.53 436.52 These one are just for video and audio. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 437.82 443.87 And this board does uh the DivX compression on the fly. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 446.27 446.64 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 485.38 487.01 And I guess it's currently working. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 448.9 454.45 And uh I'd like to add that this c I think it's quite ambitious project because it's with uh the CERN. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 469.47 477.04 And uh to to manage uh all the the conference aspects uh uh we have in a conference automatically. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 454.45 462.4 And they w they uh already worked on uh a European project called InDiCo, where they they have uh release,
IN1014 H02 MIO016 462.4 469.47 deliver, a full um kind of conference uh uh software. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 477.04 485.38 And uh I know that at Fribourg they installed uh already in in a in a big uh amphitheatre for students. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 508.77 510.73 Or have have you discussed with them? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 489.02 503.6 Either just to uh in parentheses uh we didn't choose that um that solution because they had no um the the slides were not captured very uh in a very uh precise way. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 505.65 506.39 Okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 512.71 514.4 Is it fully automatic? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 514.4 514.89 You don't know? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 506.39 508.77 Otherwise they uh it's fully automatic? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 510.73 512.71 Did you discuss that? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 503.6 505.65 That's the point. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 487.72 489.02 Ah no. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 503.65 504.44 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 504.44 504.63 Mm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 504.5 504.91 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 515.49 515.86 I don't know. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 517.26 517.58 Okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 518.65 521.79 Well I suppose uh I suppose they can capture things, right. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 521.79 527.46 I mean don't s I don't see why you could not capture the videos I mean with a card like this. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 520.55 521.26 Uh I think 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 523.03 523.82 But the p i 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 528.6 536.04 But i i it all synchronize and i is it doing all what we want but without the slide uh precision? 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 533.84 534.13 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 539.5 540.22 I mean I don't know. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 538.9 539.5 I don't know. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 549.05 555.82 So in our case we need to have a good processing of slides that in our case it means to transcribe with an O. C. R. and then make indexing. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 573.22 577.15 So that's why I guess we don't follow that solution. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 577.15 578.55 Because apparently yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 542.49 549.05 The technical aspects of the way you acquire things should be driven by the kind of processing you want to have. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 555.82 558.41 We need to have high resolution image. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 541.11 542.49 There's one important point. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 558.41 562.19 I guess that's what you mean by precision, right? 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 564.16 573.22 For us we need to have uh this sufficient resolution images of slides to do what we want to do. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 562.19 564.16 So in a sense that's the point. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 539.79 541.11 But l let be careful. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 540.5 541.14 Okay, yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 560.8 561.13 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 576.27 577.19 And uh okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 577.19 589.96 And we are su and we are sure that in that uh context of SMAC project with uh um Fribourg working on document analysis uh there were not enough precision un enough resolution in the slides? 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 586.29 586.59 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 615.09 616.26 As far as I know. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 612.29 615.09 the conference, the the th the presentation. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 616.26 620.04 As far as they published I kn I know the results they published uh so far. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 590.08 595.65 As far as I know so far uh they did similar works on meetings, document centred meetings. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 599.59 612.29 So they never really took into account a possibility of actually performing processing on the document they talk about during the meeting during in this case the uh the talk,
IN1014 H03 MIO031 595.65 599.59 They always worked on manual transcriptions of documents. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 599.15 599.46 Mm yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 605.51 605.79 Okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 611.1 612.8 Talk conference. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 645.4 649.38 I take the image uh of the document and I take the transcription. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 628.04 636.8 And we n created techniques that allow to starts from the text there and the things that are said and w if we find context 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 636.8 638.67 I mean they make some kind of processing. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 655.4 656.27 As far as I know. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 638.67 645.4 But as they don't work on the low level so low level it means basically okay, take the speech and extract the transcription. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 649.38 655.4 They basically don't really care of this aspect, as far as I understand, mm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 620.45 628.04 So essentially they n never took into account I mean the work at the high level, which means basically we have the information coming from here and there. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 638.6 638.92 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 652.67 652.98 Okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 673.67 676.73 So with in uh in uh all the cases what I've seen 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 660.32 667.62 Change slide change detections which uh of course what I understood is also they try to recover the layout somehow. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 682.74 686.29 And basically they try to match what is displayed 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 667.62 673.67 I mean given the slides but they are in no case they are extracting the text from the slides. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 676.73 682.74 in all the cases I've seen I mean they s assume that at least you have like a P. D. F. version of the document or what. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 654.41 660.32 Well as far as I as far as I know, I mean they do of course they can do of course slide detection. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 661.38 661.72 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 662.07 662.39 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 667.98 668.17 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 681.91 682.6 Exactly. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 700.56 703.81 Maybe with slides it's ea it's easier to extract uh the information. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 706.14 709.74 But they uh assume basically uh that they have this document 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 723.13 728.52 Or maybe he's using Excel to do a demonstration or something like this and we'll want to avoid this. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 687.05 688.09 to the document. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 693.08 700.56 at least for uh because they're also working with uh maybe more complex documents with images and text and so on. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 703.81 706.14 I assume it's ea it's easier indeed. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 709.74 718.63 which is something somehow we would like to relax uh because uh people uh like in it's you may not want each time to ask the person. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 718.63 723.13 Maybe the person has a point point, not the not a P. D. F. version. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 688.09 693.08 So first they need to extract the information from the document, which is not does not seem to be so trivial 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 688.5 688.87 Okay. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 689.17 689.79 Exactly. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 699.72 700 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 706.49 706.69 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 714.52 714.98 Mm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 725.67 726.02 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 742.25 746.69 I know they match uh uh the layout in two X. M. L. files, et cetera. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 736.09 737.84 And it is a different kind of processing. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 746.69 756.28 So it's a different way of approaching the problem, which means a different way of capturing different exigencies in in capturing the the documents, yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 737.84 740.28 Some way is always driven by w what you're able to do. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 740.28 742.25 They work a lot on layout analysis. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 727.27 736.09 Let's say that it makes uh less automatic in the sense that at point you need someone giving the file and putting the file upload in somewhere, et cetera. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 728.02 729.3 To c to capture 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 731.26 731.54 Mm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 738.26 738.93 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 737.77 738.26 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 746.48 746.65 Mm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 755.04 757.32 Yeah, different requirements. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 772.21 781.87 But we would like to do this more automatically and in particular for the text recognition to do to be able to do retrieval uh of slides or points. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 765.98 772.21 To some extent we would like to extract some elements of the layout to disting to have a more high analysis. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 756.51 761.19 But but most you would say most most of the points for us I mean would be valid. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 784.04 789.59 We would like not to have to rely, yeah, to a first P. D. F. version or any version of the document. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 781.87 784.04 I mean of parts of presentation. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 789.59 791.12 So yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 761.19 765.98 I mean slide transition we would use slide uh need to do it slide transition. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 762.18 762.36 Yep. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 763.29 764.05 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 764.05 764.28 Yep. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 769.12 769.36 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 770.93 771.35 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 790.8 799.37 So the solution to that low quality is uh solved b by you project, the PAS project. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 808.53 811.63 So we remove uh that part. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 799.37 808.53 Uh uh I make a tick here and I clean up this is just to to solve that pro that problem regarding the slide and the slide resolution. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 790.42 790.8 Okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 817.28 819.7 And we call that the PAS. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 823.65 827.85 And in that case we use um a frame grabber here. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 827.85 829.58 And we go with the slide here. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 842.78 847.98 The synchronisation between these two uh these two cards. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 832.4 837.8 And um of course these two cards will be on the same machine. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 840.22 842.78 The main critical point is here. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 837.8 840.22 And uh we have to develop a solution here. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 847.98 855.07 And with that this is the card that we use in the smart meeting room and this is uh the card the um 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 857.11 858.92 I mean you say this is a card. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 855.24 857.11 So the c you have bought this card, right? 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 858.92 859.3 No no. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 858.71 862.31 Th uh this one is and this one the video card. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 862.31 866.96 And this one, this is uh the card that we have already at IDIAP for the sli 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 857.48 858.71 Yeah, these one no no. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 865.27 865.58 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 887.94 888.39 Right? 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 869.22 869.67 Okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 869.67 875.08 So what I want to say is on this card there are four inputs, right? 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 866.68 869.22 But I mean this one is the I. V. C. . 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 875.08 875.85 Okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 875.85 877.86 Not n so enough uh well, yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 877.86 887.94 I was thinking to some extent nothing would would prevent us uh from also acquiring the slide, but really the slide stream from from this card indeed. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 888.39 888.83 Or 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 866.3 866.68 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 867.14 867.2 Hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 868.13 870.97 I it's the same as as you have in the picture, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 868.68 869.26 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 870.59 870.85 Yep. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 874.02 874.25 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 875.92 876.32 So 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 875.67 875.92 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 892.88 903.03 We can have the slide from the slide capture and we can just use uh a video signal to to capture that also. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 889.24 889.53 Okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 890.85 892.88 So we can have both. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 903.03 908.42 To have two t uh mm you wants to ha do you have two quality h high quality and 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 889.53 890.48 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 890.48 890.85 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 895.39 895.67 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 901.85 902.71 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 902.71 902.98 Okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 900.26 901.85 To capture the slide. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 899.57 900.26 Okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 918.43 919.65 I mean the stream. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 908.23 918.43 I mean just because we cannot rec uh we can w something we cannot do with uh it seems for with the high q quality uh capture uh device is to have a stream. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 908.01 908.23 Well 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 919.65 920.63 Right, the full stream. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 921.24 923.96 Yeah, we can just take some snapshots. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 923.96 924.13 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 961.71 962.05 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 956.74 961.71 The slides, the high quality measures we have here, we've directly yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 934.33 941.69 to some extent we could just cut this videos to keep it and to be able to replay it uh later on and so on. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 941.69 949.8 And maybe indeed if for instance the slide stream on the on the right is automatically synchronized with the other parts of the video 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 924.74 934.33 So basically it might be interesting to have still um uh the s uh the slide stream so that for instance if we detect there is a new video that is displayed also on 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 949.8 956.74 it may be easier to s to uh synchronize directly by some some matching process. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 922.64 924.74 So we can tape snapshots. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 934.93 935.14 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 937.33 937.51 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 940.27 941.28 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 941.28 941.56 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 949.79 950 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 960.39 961.48 So yeah you won't yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 958.92 960.39 With um this one. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 958.01 958.92 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 967.71 968.62 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 961.74 967.71 So you you would you c you can uh link like this? 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 963.83 967.5 Something like like say something like that. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 963.64 963.83 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 963.06 963.64 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 967.3 968.25 Yeah, exactly. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 968.25 968.43 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 969.09 969.28 Yep. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 967.98 969.09 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 982.82 989.13 Of course if we have some, you know, some constraints given by the electronic, I mean it's that's better. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 975.33 982.82 doing an alignment from the slide stream and from the snap-shots we would have on the other side w is something that might be possible. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 970.11 972.69 So at least uh this is not at the electronic level. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 996.47 1002.75 But I think I could see I could imagine that this could be a reasonable process to do. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 972.69 975.33 But you would say as a contents from the content level 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 989.13 996.47 Uh because of course first the process is going to be easier and it may be just a few signals that we have to align on the other parts. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1012.49 1013.11 So yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1002.75 1012.49 And it especially because this would solve some of the issues regarding I mean like the possibility of d of displaying videos after from from what we record. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 982.79 983.05 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 995.63 995.83 Yep. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1002.85 1003.25 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1003.25 1003.76 Ch yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1006.81 1007.16 Video. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1009.76 1010.4 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1010.4 1011.62 Yep. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1011.62 1012.1 Definitely. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1009.78 1009.95 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1011.12 1011.55 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1013.49 1014.08 Okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1022.79 1024.13 So I clean up. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1019.02 1022.79 Maybe I would like just now to talk about the DIVA project. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1014.08 1019.02 So uh I was just talking about the PAS project. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1028.34 1028.65 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1031.01 1031.04 I. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1032.03 1032.2 There. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1033.64 1037.23 Um did you read something regarding the DIVA project? 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1038.88 1042.88 Well, this is more or less what we just discussed, right, if I understand 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1052.9 1056.06 Fact we have a master machine that's um 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1041.55 1050.22 In fa yeah, uh we just remember that here we we still have only one machine to do uh the slide, video and audio acquisition. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1050.22 1052.9 And the DIVA it was uh something different. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1046.82 1047.29 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1058.79 1060.86 We have a master machine here. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1060.86 1063.32 And we have some slaves machine here. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1079.92 1082 Usually we have audio. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1078.99 1079.92 We have audio. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1082 1082.52 And 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1075.15 1078.99 We have some connection and here we have some input. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1084.91 1088.1 And the same for this one. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1095 1105.49 So they develop something to synchronize these two cards together and th uh this is something which is it's more, w which is call uh direct show, 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1088.1 1095 And um basically on the slave machine we have two cards, one for audio and one for video. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1116.65 1119.81 But you want also these two streams to be synchronized. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1107.35 1112.23 uh which allows you to to synchronize uh these two cards together. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1133.48 1136 Um I just write. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1119.81 1125.1 So they have a synchronization between two slaves which is done by the master. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1112.23 1116.65 And but of course you want these two streams to be synchronize. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1125.1 1133.48 Here we just use uh the et ethernet network to synchronize uh these two um these two device. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1129.13 1129.45 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1139.77 1141.44 Internet, something like that. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1147.18 1148.21 Um 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1144.5 1147.18 Uh they don't do any slide. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1141.44 1144.5 And uh they do only audio and video. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1169.75 1171.58 Tape free smart meeting room. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1167.01 1169.75 What yeah, tape free, sorry. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1171.58 1173.98 So for that I 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1164.13 1164.92 Do you have any question? 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1153.01 1154.13 Okay? 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1154.13 1156.02 So Yves asked for the DIVA. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1164.92 1167.01 Or uh. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1151.6 1153.01 Slide acquisition, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1156.02 1164.13 I would like just to talk now regarding uh the the fire-free smart meeting room at IDIAP. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1151.65 1152.43 Acquisition. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1152.43 1152.66 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1164.66 1165.18 Tape free. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1165.33 1165.97 Tape free. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1167.33 1168.22 Tape free. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1168.22 1169.22 D. V. tape free. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1177.23 1181.4 So like the Diva project is a tape free, already smart meeting room, huh? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1180.02 1180.56 Yes. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1180.96 1181.58 It's yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1184.57 1187.44 Uh and the acquisition is done in raw video. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1180.58 1180.96 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1181.58 1184.57 It's a tape free but also video. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1187.44 1198.67 So the file is huge and they really need uh um they have a long post-processing to convert raw file to uh DivX or to our own files. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1191.43 1191.88 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1199.7 1200.19 Okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1200.19 1202 But this can be done automatically, right? 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1202 1204.35 I mean is the okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1207.08 1207.9 Uh so 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1202.28 1203.57 Yeah, but it takes time. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1203.57 1207.08 It it's just just to mention that. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1210.32 1210.95 I will write. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1217.34 1220.45 And that's what you they use more or less in T. N. O. also. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1220.45 1222.11 They didn't have uh tapes. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1223.66 1225.36 But with different cards. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1226.18 1226.59 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1225.56 1226.18 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1226.1 1227.33 So at T. N. O. they have something? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1228.19 1229.14 They had something. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1228.92 1230.93 Ah, okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1230.93 1232.84 Okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1232.84 1234.18 Yeah, okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1234.18 1234.26 No. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1234.26 1235.45 No, that's what I was thinking. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1242.04 1245.45 Um I clean a little bit. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1230.92 1231.61 Okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1237.13 1242.04 In fact we have uh also a master slave architecture. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1231.61 1237.13 So maybe first I will just describe the ma the smart meeting room that we have at IDIAP. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1231.34 1232.25 For the AMI project. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1237.19 1237.41 Hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1249.86 1255.52 We have the master P. C., which take ks uh which takes care about the audio. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1261.79 1270.16 And we have the slave P. C. which take cares about the white board and the slides. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1259.51 1261.79 I clean that. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1273.02 1274.82 Now if we look at the video 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1284.93 1295.31 Between the master and the slave we have um the mm a synchronization signal which is call time MIDI time code. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1295.31 1296.35 I just write MIDI. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1279.66 1284.93 If we look at the video in fact um yeah, maybe first I should mention that. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1291.51 1291.68 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1298.49 1302.01 And for the video, we have the video input here. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1302.01 1305.56 We re-use the um MIDI signal 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1313.65 1317.14 And we save that to D. V. recorder. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1307.82 1313.65 uh with um to insert the time code on each frame. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1321.76 1323.01 Uh I I have video. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1325.67 1337.22 Uh we know the problem of that that uh this is that after each meeting somebody has to take care about the D. V. tapes and to t convert them into DivX. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1337.22 1342.33 So my idea is to d do something like that, is to develop a s um 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1324.55 1325.67 Okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1325.56 1325.66 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1347.9 1358.52 May I say something like that, yeah, a video slave machine uh which use the MIDI um which use also the MIDI time code. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1344.73 1347.9 um uh a video slave machine. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1350.05 1350.44 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1361.16 1362.96 No, sorry. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1362.96 1364.5 Sorry, I'm doing something wrong. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1383.63 1385.49 This just an acquisition card. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1390.17 1393.15 And um so we will have here video. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1368.56 1370.85 We have the video here. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1385.49 1390.17 And we com and we s and we convert file directly to DivX. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1373.42 1383.63 So we take that signal here and we move to this uh machine here, which is in fact just uh the I. V. C. video card. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1370.85 1373.42 We just have the time code inserter. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1384 1384.16 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1419.53 1421.03 Okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1398.1 1407.95 And also because we want to control that machine we use also the MIDI time code the MIDI time code to start and to stop the machine. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1415.12 1419.53 Just uh this just an improvement of the smart meeting room. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1421.03 1422.91 Uh do you have any question uh regarding uh that? 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1412.96 1415.12 But um yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1407.95 1412.96 This is just something uh that uh this just to remove the D. V. recordings. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1429.35 1436.95 you don't care about the frame dropping I mean because anyway, in each in the video signal, it is encoded the time, right? 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1424.8 1429.35 Yeah, so currently because there is a time code, uh video time code,
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1450.95 1457.08 So uh this is uh a simple solution, but um where we don't have to care about the synchronization. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1443.69 1450.95 And we take after the time code insertion we take the video signal and we pass through the machine. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1437.76 1443.69 We don't have to care about the synchronization in that case because the time code is ins serted here. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1437.07 1437.76 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1444.16 1444.44 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1446.95 1447.4 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1448.75 1449.1 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1447.4 1448.75 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1449.1 1449.32 Mm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1457.53 1457.81 Okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1467.07 1468.11 So it's afterwards. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1459.13 1467.07 Because the synchronization problem comes from the the grabbing from the D. V. tape in in d in D. Vix. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1462.63 1465.3 Co yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1465.3 1467.48 The synchronization is yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1469.55 1472.47 Well, but you don't I mean at this point you don't really care because 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1494.18 1503.8 Otherwise uh if there is some frame dropping, you have to rely on the number of frames you are counting more or less I suppose to to assess it. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1507.49 1507.83 Okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1489.73 1492.17 I mean it's encoded in the in the image. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1478.53 1480.4 So if you drop some frame,
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1474.2 1476.72 I mean in the signal you can extract the time. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1503.8 1507.49 Uh so you have you have some problems then, yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1480.4 1489.73 which happens sometimes when you do compression or acquisition uh you you uh ev you will automatically find this in uh the signal, right? 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1476.72 1478.53 I mean the time stamp is i in the signal. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1492.17 1494.18 So you can you can do it. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1477.18 1477.68 Mm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1483.56 1483.85 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1493.67 1494 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1501.52 1501.75 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1503.13 1504.91 Oh no, it's impossible, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1508.86 1512.93 So the f last one is uh the fire-wire acquisition. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1512.93 1515.37 Uh I just 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1508 1508.86 Okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1516.4 1518.56 Which i which was more or less T. N. O. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1520.28 1520.77 S problem 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1521.11 1521.51 Okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1522.97 1525.2 with respect to frame dropping, right? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1535.21 1542.84 They had the uh uh at the beginning of the video, you if you saw the time code, it was six hours ni uh fifty minutes. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1542.84 1545.98 And h there four hours thirty two minutes. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1545.98 1548 So it's it was a problem with the time code. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1525.32 1528.53 Mm they didn't have too much fun grabbing. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1528.53 1530.96 The problem is was that it was not synchronized. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1530.96 1535.21 So the time code was wrong for for the different videos. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1543.16 1543.32 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1547.66 1554.22 Well I think if it was not a problem of frame dropping, the alignment would have been quite easy to to do. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1554.22 1554.86 And the 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1559.83 1561.75 No, they d yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1557.28 1559.83 But they didn't have too much frame drops in fact. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1561.75 1562.24 Because 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1553.81 1557.28 Well, that's what they did uh manually after the afterwards. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1561.66 1564.05 Well, so it was not such a difficult process then. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1560.01 1561.66 Really? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1565.23 1568.8 Well, it's manual to to synchronize it, the frame. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1574.58 1579.74 But I I had the feeling that they had also some frame dropping that was uh no? 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1568.09 1574.58 Yeah, but if it's only to find uh one of set, you have to find some exa some examples. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1571.6 1572.81 Yeah, that's what they did. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1578.86 1584.49 No no, because uh we did the software here and it they didn't choo no our uh software. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1583.23 1583.98 Okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1583.98 1584.62 Then that's fine. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 1581.86 1583.23 Okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1616.28 1624.81 Um so with acquisition with acquisition systems uh the major problem the major problem is uh the synchronization. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1609.75 1613.71 Uh we don't move to that project. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1600.56 1602.63 And for that fire-wire is good. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1613.71 1616.28 I am but I am just going to talk about this one. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1602.63 1606 I mean fire-wire was a project. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1593.52 1600.56 Um in fact the the major problem regarding acquisition system is always the synchronization. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1592.56 1593.52 Okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1606 1609.75 Now the project is uh stand-by. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1624.81 1629.94 And fire-wire gives you some um some way to be synchronize in fact. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1640.45 1653.29 And any device we which wants to send a package a p a packet, sorry, should ask um there is a manager of that bus. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1654.73 1659.73 Any device which wants to send a packet has to r to r 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1653.29 1654.73 This just of the bus. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1634.49 1640.45 This uh yeah, this is of the bus where you can send you can send some package. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1630.35 1634.49 Uh this is uh I just want to to describe here the bus. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1645.63 1646.14 Packet. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1670.31 1674.21 And he will always have that band-width. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1680.43 1685.72 And so we are sure that we will have a synchronize acquisition with fire-wire. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1685.72 1688.8 And so so that mean that um 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1661.55 1666.44 uh require some uh band-width on the bus on the bus. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1674.21 1680.43 So um yeah, he will always have that band-width. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1666.44 1670.31 And so after that he will have that band-width. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1707.2 1712.01 It th when y uh you use a system um hardware. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1713.58 1717.64 So we don't have to code all the communication process, et cetera. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1717.64 1720.42 So just for explanation. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1692.65 1695.87 And this is no no no. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1695.87 1699.15 And this is done at the um you have libraries,
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1699.15 1707.2 et et cetera to to choo well uh a all you you are saying about uh asking about band-width, et cetera. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1712.01 1713.58 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1693.91 1694.17 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1694.17 1694.86 Sorry, sorry. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1694.86 1696.14 Uh yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1693.16 1693.91 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1698.04 1698.74 Hardware. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1754.38 1758.08 And after the next one we will have again the um 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1726.24 1732.81 and all devices which have uh required some band-width will send the data. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1712.71 1715.09 It's done by hardware. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1750.05 1754.38 So we will have the data from A., from B. and from C. and so on. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1716.7 1717.9 And in fact yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1741.59 1750.05 And just after that bus just after that uh signal all device will send uh the data. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1715.09 1716.7 No no no no no. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1736.68 1741.59 This is this kind of signal that the th bus manager is sending. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1717.9 1726.24 I I as I mentioned before, we have a bus manager and the bus manager send just a flag to say now it's time to give me you data 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1732.81 1736.68 So I'm just drawing something like that. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1707.87 1712.71 It's i it's done by it's done by hardware. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1716.98 1717.55 Hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1778.96 1780.47 A synchronized pipe. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1810.42 1812.45 And all data are sent through the master. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1759.92 1762.66 the data from A., B. and C. and so on and so on. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1780.47 1782.51 We can put what we want inside. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1769.09 1778.96 Now the major problem with fire-wire is that that fire-wire is just an kind of intelligent, uh a smart pipe. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1787.13 1795.31 or we can send also uh what I uh was presenting in my term presentation was a H. two six four. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1803.72 1810.42 Of course uh the idea is to reduce um the band-width on the bus also. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1795.31 1803.72 But in that case we need something uh hardware here to uncode raw data to a given format. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1762.66 1769.09 And so with fire-wire we are sure to have a um an acquisition system. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1782.51 1787.13 So we can put raw data, or we can send a DivX data 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1816.49 1817.67 Do you have any quest 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1834.32 1843.62 And maybe take the opportunity to look just a moment uh at what point we are and w when we plan basically to get something uh done and working. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1819.94 1827.58 Now basically we have all this kind of general view about all the systems maybe we can take this opportunity to come back to our system. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1848.15 1853.71 There is F. X. that is doing something very similar to to what we do here basically. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1827.58 1834.32 Because you know we had there are mm we had the long discussion and finally we decided for for one approach. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1843.62 1848.15 I can add to that list of project is something that Jean-Marc and me we have found in the literature. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1819.17 1819.94 Mm yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1828.53 1828.82 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1832.13 1832.55 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1849.96 1850.4 Yes. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1873.96 1882.53 Uh and it's up to you to tell us roughly when do you think uh we're gonna have something working. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1864.49 1870.02 But but uh roughly is is an idea that is very similar to to our idea. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1870.02 1873.96 So well essentially now we have the material as far I'm as I'm understood. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1854.4 1864.49 A capture through the projector signal of the slides and they for the moment they just plan to use the slides as a as a way to index the presentations. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1880.35 1881.28 Okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1881.28 1882.8 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1891.13 1895.38 Um we we don't want today to to put deadlines, you know. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1882.8 1891.13 So we need uh well, this is will be done together t like in to to try to divide the time uh what do we do. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1902.3 1914.16 I was thinking uh for instance uh in th in what we have um uh because I don't know a lot about um using uh like uh D. L. L. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1895.38 1902.3 But um what we have, what we can do and how we will be able to do 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1914.16 1918.49 M. F. C., uh uh Microsoft software. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1930.84 1938.73 And and actually I c um I can start playing and uh looking at the this uh in detail. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1921.43 1930.84 And uh so what we have until now is the software that Darren did for the frame grabbing. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1918.49 1921.43 But I'm very happy to to go with that. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1894.8 1895.11 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1928.57 1929.05 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1939.14 1939.48 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1940.62 1941.98 So Darren software 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1944.12 1946.97 About um frame grabbing. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1960.18 1965.62 The all the Windows uh uh pro programming. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1958.05 1960.18 And uh D. L. L., et cetera. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1965.62 1968.72 Um so this is one uh step. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1956.67 1958.05 You heard of that. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1951.22 1956.67 Sup I suppose M. F. C. C. no uh, not M. F. C. C. but M. e M. F. C. . 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1968.72 1979.97 Then um the audio video card um so so uh first uh we need to look at this 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1979.97 1987.04 to look at the demos that are uh i with the what they call the S. D. K. uh software development kit. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1956.67 1957.03 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 1963.73 1964.42 Issues, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1982.68 1982.94 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1988.55 1990.68 Uh demos, test. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 1990.68 1996.17 Um testing the card with uh only one audio for instance and then only one video. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 1996.22 1996.52 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2001.62 2010.36 And e even uh testing with only the slides uh to capture all the uh like what you were saying, the the s uh the video s uh stream. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2010.36 2012 Well, slide stream. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2008.87 2009.16 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2012.95 2017.13 Uh in fact the um slide card l sorry. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2017.13 2021.88 The slide card and the video card are both S. D. K. . 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2021.88 2023.01 So what 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2018.2 2018.93 The frame 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2022.54 2025.56 You mean the frame grabbing card? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2025.56 2025.95 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2026.05 2027.77 Both are S. D. K. . 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2024.82 2026.05 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2027.76 2036.89 They have S. D. K. uh software development kit that is based on uh M. F. C. libraries and C. plus plus libraries. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2030.16 2030.41 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2033.73 2034.65 Yeah, y yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2041.43 2041.88 But 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2036.56 2040.52 Yeah, this for that you uh I don't remember by how. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2040.52 2041.43 No. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2039.17 2041.19 Okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2050.94 2052.37 Or is it no, it's synchronized? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2041.19 2042.42 Okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2042.42 2050.94 So once you we've tested the individually the card, we can test to synchronize the audio and the video together? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2052.37 2054.23 Or okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2062.92 2064.85 We can play with the slide. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2064.85 2068.19 Uh and after that and the major point is to m combine both. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2058.65 2060.42 So uh they are synchronize. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2055.19 2058.65 Because uh this just an on an audio video channel. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2060.42 2062.92 Um so we can play with the video. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2051.09 2055.19 Usually audio audio and video should be synchronized. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2058.17 2058.55 Okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2069.5 2070.73 And the i th now we are 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2083.19 2090.36 well, um the s uh yeah, the synchronization signal coming from the frame grabbing card. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2068.37 2069.5 Okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2090.36 2094.27 It's uh it's it's not a synchronization signal, it's a slide with a t 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2070.73 2083.19 as you said uh what not now but uh the next point would be to use that card with the other card and to merge the slide signal with the,
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2080.16 2080.38 Yep. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2095.81 2097.67 We we don't have synchronization. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2098.48 2099.59 Yeah, we will. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2098.3 2098.48 Oui oui. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2105.42 2110.07 which is a syn which is a technique to synchronize different device. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2099.85 2105.42 We have to find a solution, and for that might be we can use uh direct show 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2112.28 2113.25 It's external? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2110.17 2112.28 And is is it external to this card? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2113.25 2113.66 Or it's i 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2113.5 2116.38 This is just uh an application, which i 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2113.19 2113.5 No no. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2117.11 2119.6 It's not in this uh card. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2115.87 2117.11 So it's external. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2119.31 2120.44 No. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2118.33 2119.31 No, no, no, no, no. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2121.63 2125.54 This just an application that runs on the machine. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2120.44 2121.63 This not on the card. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2125.52 2126.96 And we don't have to buy that? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2126.96 2130.56 Or well uh to to uh at least the basic. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2127.29 2133.27 Um f I think direct show you can download for free. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2135.04 2137.77 M I should check. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2137.77 2138.28 Or 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2133.27 2135.04 I'm I'm not sure. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2137.31 2146.55 And that will will uh will be will help us to synchronize the this frame grabbing card and this video card. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2136.5 2137.31 Okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2144.77 2146.71 Yeah, it m yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2155.17 2156.58 Okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2156.58 2158.94 And then when we have okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2153.32 2155.17 Reading and yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2148.73 2153.32 So uh t yeah, we need to do some tests. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2162.17 2166.19 He we don't know yet with Frank if we install this card maybe here. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2160.75 2162.17 Where do we do that? 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2183.38 2187.56 Maybe it would be better to have just a dedicated machine just for that. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2181.57 2183.38 And so you you don't know exactly. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2166.02 2172.71 I think the best thing to do is to have a machine just which is only dedicated to to that. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2172.71 2181.57 Because uh if you if you if you if you use a machine which has been already used for something else sometimes you have plenty of libraries. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2173.58 2175.66 Okay, and at IDIAP it's possible there. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2182.16 2182.59 Okay. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2197.41 2200.52 So we have to use material that is already available. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2187.21 2197.41 Mm careful because the uh I listened to Frank, and apparently don't want to buy a new machine before we show that this works. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2193.03 2193.36 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2193.55 2194.39 Just for 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2196.83 2197.19 Okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2200.77 2201.08 Okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2201.03 2205.56 Yeah, but maybe there are already some machines, you know, uh uh. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2203.69 2206.22 Maybe there is some free ma machine that is not 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2204.91 2208.26 Well on my machine, his machine or this machine maybe. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2207.48 2207.9 Uh 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2207.65 2210.92 Okay, s so it is possible to use other machines actually, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2207.96 2208.08 Mm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2209.88 2215.12 Yeah, I mean just that, you know, if of course you don't want to have a c other libraries that may,
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2215.12 2218.04 you know, conflict with the one you are trying to use. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2231.19 2238.57 So I think it's so maybe there is a machine I don't know whether for this you need, you know, a very powerful machine and so on. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2218.04 2221.79 At the same time, yo see, if you crash a machine I mean because you are doing some test 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2221.79 2231.19 you may not want to have what's on your machine I mean to uh to be to be uh de erased or whats whatever. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2238.57 2247.46 But maybe there is a possibility to use a current machine which is only u yeah, that's is withdrawn from the network or yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2217.23 2217.55 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2223.52 2223.83 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2225.87 2226.25 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2225.89 2226.16 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2229.73 2230.13 Okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2231.76 2232.46 issue. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2234.66 2234.96 Mm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2244.63 2245.22 Because 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2241.34 2242.19 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2242.19 2244.63 I I Oui. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2241.91 2244.13 Some of uh some other machine, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2247.79 2260.29 Because I think um the video is done the video compression is done on the on that card and uh I'm not hundred percent sure 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2260.29 2267.94 but I think the J. PEG the J. PEG conversion for the slide capture is done also on the card. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2267.94 2269.99 So we don't need 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2254.21 2254.79 The card. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2255.35 2255.73 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2277.92 2281.23 I mean the bus writing, I mean the speed of uh the bus. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2271.05 2277.92 But still, I mean even if it's done on the card, you need to basic thing you need to check is um is a bus, right? 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2270.83 2271.05 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2279.8 2280.98 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2280.98 2282.12 But I mean yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2278.65 2279.8 Ah yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2282.12 2287.64 I was just thinking about the the speed of the computer could be lower. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2288.23 2288.53 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2289.29 2291.71 So C. P. U. itself may not be so. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2288.53 2289.29 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2293.56 2294.56 The access, yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2294.96 2299.94 So mm in terms of time what we can think? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2295.79 2296.31 So yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2296.31 2298.38 Uh uh mm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2301.67 2303.38 When we can expect to see 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2305.78 2307.33 Uh 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2303.46 2305.78 So can we expect a Christmas uh gift? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2312.06 2314.71 Um yeah, that's good question. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2305.68 2311.1 Yeah, Christmas two seven. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2311.1 2312.06 No no. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2306.07 2307.36 Christmas gift or 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2311.32 2311.76 Uh 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2309.27 2311.32 early New Year gift. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2331.07 2339.73 So I will start with that to develop some knowledge regarding that board, uh that video board, and after that we can combine both. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2318.89 2321.11 Because we need to start with something. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2323.33 2331.07 We have um I will work on the video acquisition for the inpu the tape free smart meeting room. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2321.11 2323.33 We have the slide capture from Darren. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2315.14 2318.89 Maybe a first so solution will be just to start w with. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2329.19 2329.42 Mm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2347.82 2350.59 But uh I d I don't understand some way exactly. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2339.92 2344.69 But the way of course I'm I I don't know exactly what uh the work involves. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2344.69 2347.82 So is this uh no that's not that I don't care. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2350.59 2353.1 I think the the the real point is when. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2343.46 2351 Yeah, Alexandre did not care too much about the way uh you i no no no, but uh you are more in research. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2362.6 2362.89 No, no. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2362.89 2364.42 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2360.62 2361.5 But uh yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2353.56 2354.73 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2361.5 2362.6 Mm yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2354.73 2360.62 Okay, I said at the beginning of the meeting that mm uh well we're not d doing deadlines. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2379.69 2382.78 Or is something that you say is Christmas two thousand six. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2382.78 2389.64 So I I I definitely just want to know something very rough on when you expect to finish this. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2359.3 2361.17 I mean I I don't say well no, no, no. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2361.17 2362.48 I don't wanna put a deadline. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2362.48 2372.17 Uh but uh given the current uh material we have um mm given your activities because I know that you both are involve in many other things. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2372.17 2379.69 So it's something that you yeah, as Jean-Marc said, is Christmas and uh so we're happy with the Christmas gift. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2358.37 2359.3 roughly. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2367.53 2367.98 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2370.98 2371.37 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2369.61 2370.98 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2396.92 2402.25 So looking at their code I mean uh so you said you would look at this, right? 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2402.25 2405.69 Or is it okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2392.03 2396.92 For instance I mean the test of looking at their entry goes point by point. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2396.16 2396.66 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2405.09 2410.19 Because we are also both uh quite busy with other projects of course. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2403.3 2405.09 Ye well, we would look both at. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2410.19 2416.54 Uh e H. F. E. S. database uh with J. Ferret uh 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2412.52 2413.08 That's problem. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2414.76 2418.26 I mean do you think it's something for the very next months? 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2413.08 2414.76 Uh that's that's a problem. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2420.46 2423.06 Do you think sp 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2418.26 2420.46 Do you think it's something for the end of next year? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2420.93 2422.71 Okay, this is between both. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2421.56 2421.92 No. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2425.15 2426.69 It's too long. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2423.42 2425.15 This not for end of next year. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2421.92 2423.42 For not for no no. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2426.69 2429.55 And it it's uh it's too long, it's too long. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2426.01 2426.82 Yeah, of course, yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2427.19 2430.42 So is for so half next year. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2426.1 2427.19 Mm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2433.17 2437 So June June June two thousand six. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2437.37 2438.89 April, May we should have results. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2433.35 2437.37 For myself I would like to say uh April, May. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2442.37 2443.73 So it works, it doesn't work. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2440.94 2442.37 The end of this? 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2439.67 2440.94 Re results, what does it mean? 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2442.94 2443.71 Uh no no no. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2443.71 2445.69 Uh I mean the um 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2452.73 2455.21 Maybe some minor will appears. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2447.42 2452.73 Uh not al almost uh the uh the the uh the complete application. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2448.03 2449.08 Ready to be used. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2464.07 2467.71 Basically the process is ready and we can start having our demo. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2457.66 2463.02 So when I can say start collecting data, uh I start using. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2463.02 2464.07 I start playing with this. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2482.94 2493.78 But uh you know, mm some way we we we we cannot have a students and make him wait one year before he has uh the material to work. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2477.25 2482.94 It will be no not before April two thousand six anyway. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2454.31 2457.66 You know, for for me what is important is when it is ready to be use. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2493.78 2495.11 So my point is when. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2472.94 2477.25 but potentially we are going to have a student supposed to work in this. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2467.71 2472.94 And also because there is a risk that uh we submitted a project, maybe it will be rejected we don't know 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2458.26 2458.62 So uh 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2457.4 2458.26 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2459.96 2460.32 Data. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2480.54 2480.98 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2485.03 2486.09 Yeah, we yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2489.08 2489.71 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2490.34 2490.52 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2492.91 2493.28 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2493.53 2493.69 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2494.17 2494.51 'Kay. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2497.96 2501.46 Uh roughly, I don't don't don't wanna have and it's not a deadlines, oui. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2506.23 2506.37 Yep. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2497.13 2497.96 Reasonably. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2501.46 2506.23 But when do you expect to have the system ready to work uh working. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2498.87 2499.23 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2499.42 2500.76 Well uh 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2503.08 2503.6 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2514.94 2519.48 So I mean I don't think it should take a lot of time I mean just to look at this, right. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2508.8 2514.94 I mean it's uh i so my feeling is that I mean people have expertise in this, like in Fribourg also. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2519.48 2524.09 I mean at least one month seems to be uh quite enough for this, right. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2506.14 2508.8 Because I mean I mean the I. V. C. system,
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2514.71 2515.11 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2515.11 2515.64 Uh they have. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2525.48 2527.53 We start with the data path. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2524.07 2525.48 But we start with the I. V. C. . 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2530.51 2538.03 And after that is and the question is how to synchroni to to to make both card working together. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2522.46 2524.07 Yeah, th it's a yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2527.53 2530.51 Uh the the slide frame grabber. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2530.42 2530.57 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2529.14 2530.42 Yeah? 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2534.8 2535.27 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2538.6 2541.87 So this seems to be the main problem as far as as I understand. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2537.9 2538.6 Together. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2538.6 2538.83 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2540.36 2540.64 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2542.79 2549.23 From fro for checking Darren's code, et cetera we can expect until uh 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2541.38 2542.27 So yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2542.27 2542.79 Let's see. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2550.82 2561.73 And yeah, for o one months or so, then uh the uh the i uh I. V. C. uh w with the people at Fribourg have uh yeah,
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2561.73 2566.33 okay, so uh at Fribourg we we have 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2554.03 2554.21 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2557.79 2561.41 Uh I. V. C. I. V. C. should go faster. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2561.87 2563.52 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2563.52 2566.01 Because anyway, this is what you are working on, right? 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2566.01 2573.96 Is the I. V. C., but using the signals that are coming I mean so basically it's using the I. V. C. okay. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2571.19 2571.57 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2577.19 2579.04 So uh but I think 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2573.59 2577.19 I will start to work on January on that point. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2571.57 2573.59 I will uh I'm not currently working on it. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2574.81 2575.04 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2580.04 2580.57 Or yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2577.42 2577.87 Okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2577.87 2580.04 And then the direct show. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2578.96 2579.33 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2579.65 2581.5 Okay, so currently you are not working on this. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2581.41 2581.71 No no. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2581.71 2582.51 I'm not working. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2583.51 2584.8 Okay, then we need 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2584.07 2587.85 I schedule to to work on that from m 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2587.37 2590.17 So we can say we try to to make something for April. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2590.42 2591.23 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2591.23 2592.17 But I have also a que 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2623.37 2627.03 Uh I know. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2609.34 2611.34 say December two thousand six. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2591.65 2594.61 Uh make something re that you are using very vague expression. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2594.61 2597.44 Result, make something. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2611.34 2618.11 So don't try to tell me March or April i w if you already know that it is unrealistic to say that. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2618.11 2618.77 Must be realistic. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2618.77 2623.37 you say June two thousand six we know it is June two thousand six. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2597.44 2600.98 Just just uh just tell me when it is ready. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2600.98 2609.34 And if you think it's it's not before uh but but must be reasonable I m I mean if you think it will be not before December two thousand six 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2600.23 2603.46 Mm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2591.86 2600.23 But uh well I I want this to to work in the for the time uh in the mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2599.94 2600.19 Mayb 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2607.85 2608.3 Mm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2617.23 2617.5 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2626.61 2634.31 But I would like to say we can make uh uh a schedule of that project to just to track to just to see if we track the time table. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2638.31 2643.22 to to to be slightly involved in that project, to be to to respect the date. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2634.31 2638.31 If we don't we we asks for more people, maybe H. E. V. S. people,
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2622.91 2626.61 But I would like to say uh there is many unknown in that project. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2623.9 2624.79 Uh i mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2627.27 2627.83 The 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2630.55 2631.2 But 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2629.96 2630.55 Sure. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2628.89 2629.96 Sure. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2630.45 2630.68 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2633.69 2634.03 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2635.93 2636.26 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2636.46 2636.77 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2640.22 2643.16 O one student or yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2653.95 2662.81 But is just to know in the sense that really uh this p this mm thing has been stop now for quite a long time. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2673.78 2681.76 We are going to lose it some way if uh if we don't put some and very honestly yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2642.38 2643.7 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2645.7 2653.95 It's just to know I mean and if you can have early early warnings in the sense that if you see that there is a major uh problem somewhere. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2670.81 2673.78 We see that other people are working, et cetera. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2666.12 2667.17 Now we have it. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2662.81 2666.12 Uh uh it n it took a long time to decide what kind of material. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2667.17 2670.81 It's something that uh is a pretty good idea. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2643.7 2645.7 Well but there is no day to respect. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2645.96 2646.18 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2646.18 2646.32 N 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2651.99 2652.32 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2662.06 2662.3 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2662.08 2662.56 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2676.41 2684.9 Yeah, that that's that's so that's one of the issue I mean that uh maybe uh,I don't know w whether you realise,
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2702.1 2704.39 This is probably one, an innovation. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2684.9 2688.45 but of course if we have this in two years, maybe okay, it's good we have it. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2693.42 2700.49 in terms uh maybe even in terms of innovation I mean if you think about this, which is, you know, what uh they said. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2688.45 2693.42 But of course it's it's on the it's too long I mean in terms of in term of research,
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2700.49 2702.1 I mean he was speaking about innovation. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2676.8 2678.61 And we can ask help uh 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2680.48 2680.75 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2688.65 2694.56 I it's too late in terms of research uh mm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2689.42 2690.03 It's too long. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2689.88 2692.37 I i it'll it'll not be 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2696.38 2696.74 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2696.58 2696.72 No. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2700.61 2701.13 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2702.5 2703.82 This is innovation, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2704.34 2704.56 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2724.04 2728.5 So it maybe not the it's it's too late uh to to do it. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2734.54 2739.33 it's I think it's going to appear more more and more, and uh 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2704.66 2709.97 And the the I know I'm we we see quite well why is working on this, right. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2728.5 2734.54 So I think this is really so this is one of the points, respect to research of course,
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2717.46 2719.75 you know, maybe you c of course, okay, people will say yeah 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2709.97 2717.46 But in two years, you know, if we want to do if we want to build a C. T. I. or transfer technology and something like this,
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2719.75 2724.04 but there is already something that people have started to put on the market and so on. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2705.93 2706.39 Mm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2721.8 2722.19 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2723.59 2723.77 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2766.27 2766.88 We can try. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2737.56 2746.08 Uh you know in a sense I never tried for example eventually to ask for one person dedicated to this because I always had the feeling that you are very interested,
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2766.88 2773.81 I mean we can ask uh uh in the sense that if it is a priority for IDIAP so far we would get very good signals from that point of view 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2775.25 2780.58 But uh please, if you think you don't have the time or the energy to do it,
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2753.65 2760.3 But uh if you have not the time and the possibility to do it because you you both are involved in many other things,
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2780.58 2785.97 uh or it involves too many things that you cannot keep under control given the other things you have to do, 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2746.08 2753.65 you wanted to do it, it's something you some way you uh I mean it seems to be something that is interesting to you. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2760.3 2766.27 we can eventually try to ask to have one person, to involve one person that will be dedicated strictly to this. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2773.81 2775.25 I I don't know. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2743.52 2743.71 Hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2751.45 2751.86 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2752.9 2753.21 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2758.23 2758.65 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2763.79 2763.96 Hmm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2767.46 2767.67 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2771.69 2771.98 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2779.9 2780.22 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2827.34 2829.94 I like to do it, but I have no time. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2786.91 2794.19 uh don't think that okay, something nice we we can wait or sooner or later it will happen. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2811.2 2819.95 And we can try to say well we want to do it, but uh basically Mael and Olivier were the person mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2820.12 2821.97 But but you can be involve in a different way. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2834.88 2838.05 Uh but uh please just don't keep this as a kind of thing,
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2804.75 2811.2 And if you think there are too many things that you risk to lose control, uh tell it now. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2794.19 2796.79 Uh yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2832.24 2834.88 We can try to to ask. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2796.79 2797.9 Exactly. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2829.94 2832.24 Because at a certain point it's a matter of time. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2819.95 2820.12 No, no. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2838.05 2841.03 yeah, I like to do it, I like it, it's nice, et cetera. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2821.97 2827.34 I mean you can eventually have uh a supervision role in the sense that you think that I I know how to do it,
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2797.9 2804.75 So I think it's the moment uh for you to really realise try to to have a realistic uh date. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2790.94 2791.73 No no no no. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2791.73 2796.02 We understand that you we cannot wait uh we were here one year ago uh, I don't know 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2796.02 2800.97 and also when it's was uh going uh the idea was appearing and 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2802.61 2803.16 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2811.49 2811.72 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2813.75 2814.09 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2815.36 2815.79 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2816.13 2816.57 Mm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2816.9 2817.33 Okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2817.33 2819.84 Personally I want to be involve in that project. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2819.84 2822.87 A acquisi uh some mm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2825.26 2825.8 Mm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2829.36 2829.76 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2832.11 2832.48 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2832.18 2832.49 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2838.43 2840.13 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2840.13 2840.36 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2845.93 2851.41 for me this surprises me to some extent, you know, I'm uh I thought I mean you would you would be working on this. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2840.18 2840.84 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2840.84 2845.93 Because when when you say here now no, I'm not going to start to working on this before January,
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2851.41 2854.55 So if you say okay, now it's uh yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2847.87 2848.11 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2852.32 2857.81 But uh at the same time I have some other project I I want to finish uh those project first. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2852.15 2852.32 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2860.21 2864.14 You can't say I like to do it and but then ah but I will do it when I can. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2856.99 2860.21 Yeah, bu but but here you have to take a responsibility. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2860.52 2861.33 No, uh oui. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2874.71 2881.9 So if you have no time to put priority at some points and this seems to have been the case during one year on this project 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2883.84 2886.01 I mean that's the point now. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2870.78 2873.22 So it seems that it has never been a priority. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2881.9 2883.84 I mean you need to say it now. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2863.34 2863.6 No 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2873.22 2874.71 So that that's uh that's the point. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2863.6 2870.78 I mean the point is that Olivier will r you have I mean s since one year uh you have always been saying that you want to be involved in this and so on. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2865.27 2865.33 Mm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2873.68 2874.2 Exactly. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2889.68 2898.57 I say I have no time gi now currently I um I say some for some project you say that you don't have time. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2898.57 2905.01 But people will stay will continue to say no no, you will find time just to do that project. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2887.39 2889.68 I said that I have no time yet. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2905.01 2905.41 The 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2883.98 2887.39 But for example, I have uh I receive some new project. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2884.13 2884.39 Mm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2891.09 2892.97 Uh yeah yeah yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2890.73 2891.09 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2892.66 2893.03 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2894.3 2896.02 Okay, this is yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2900.93 2901.25 No, no. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2903.74 2908.36 Okay so now is your responsibility to say I cannot find time. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2910.66 2912.55 And this is also for you. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2908.36 2910.66 If you can't find time, you have to say it now. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2912.55 2914.36 I mean i it's not an accusation. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2914.36 2916.11 We we are all in the same condition. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2904.12 2904.53 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2905.26 2906.81 So this is Franck 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2947.05 2953.78 Do we take to have uh somebody uh for contract, even if it's not an intern but take somebody for six months to work on this. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2916.78 2918.5 So now you are saying you have no time. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2911.22 2915.03 At least uh say this to us and we'll see uh with Franck. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2934.98 2937.6 So we think it's important and we'd like to to do something. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2920.72 2923.14 So now we understand and we are maybe after 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2937.6 2942.03 So what kind of solution, as Alexandre mentions, i do we need to take somebody,
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2918.5 2920.72 So now you say to us. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2942.03 2947.05 do we want to do we need to take some intern to work on this, uh and so on and so on. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2915.03 2916.78 And again, I mean this is a question. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2923.14 2930.11 when we if we discuss with Franck uh Franck Crittin or uh uh Frank uh Formaz and we'll see okay and go and try to see. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2930.11 2934.98 Okay apparently uh he has no time to to work on this. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2911.72 2912.38 Hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2924.99 2925.32 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2939.52 2940.12 Exactly. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2942.37 2942.79 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2949.48 2949.76 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2949.68 2950.12 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2956.53 2960.74 I mean uh y I don't know about the other projects you have to do. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2967.14 2972.72 But if y because now you are just telling us you have no time indeed to work on this, right? 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2975.79 2978.74 Yeah, but I mean c it's yeah, but 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2960.74 2967.14 I don't know with who you are discussing about the time you are you can s uh s spend on each of the project. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2972.72 2975.79 Okay, so so okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 2954.41 2956.53 I mean but so this a point. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2961.57 2961.88 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2966.68 2967.14 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2971.76 2972.02 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2972.76 2973.02 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 2973.13 2973.67 S s 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2980.03 2990.47 I I um with I. M. two I I I did uh I mention that I will have from January two thousand six I will have time for that. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2990.47 2991.65 Uh I have a 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2973.71 2978.77 Currently but uh up to December I don't have time to work on it. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2978.77 2980.03 But I plan already. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2983.81 2983.96 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2981.92 2983.81 With I. M. two, I. P. one. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2991.06 2993.97 Fifty percent on on I. M. two, that's it. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2994.26 2997.97 No, I will work fully on that on this point. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 2997.97 3000.24 From January two thousand six I wi 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 2999.85 3001.24 It's fifty percent, no? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3002.47 3004.68 Okay, maybe in fifty percent uh on that. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3001.24 3002.47 On I. M. two I. P. one? 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3005.66 3007.75 So let me pose the question very broadly. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3014.8 3022.13 We can ask, we can try to ask maybe if some person for six months so that your role is simply to help and advise. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3007.75 3014.8 Do you think that we have a person that has this will help you? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3008.91 3009.15 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3022.25 3022.68 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3024.97 3025.95 We can try to ask. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3034.95 3040.95 And yeah, Bastien is busy with uh annotations plus all kind of things. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3028.4 3034.95 Uh but uh with Sebastien, sorry this was maybe uh his concern. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3024.99 3028.4 Why this was, yeah, mo yeah w I don't want to talk too much maybe. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3040.95 3046.72 Uh maybe we can in the process we can ask for 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3043.98 3044.41 I mean 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3049.85 3050.82 someone more. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3060.23 3063.54 We split that part in different segments. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3059.16 3060.23 We are here. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3052.54 3059.16 Maybe a good thing will be to make a plan to to we say we we won't set the deadline here. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3063.54 3064.33 Uh y 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3052.9 3053.68 To work on that. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3056.38 3058.21 Well uh uh that's what I I was 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3058.29 3060.16 S 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3060.6 3060.77 Y 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3071.2 3073.14 But I don't answer, yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3073.14 3084.04 W well the let's say uh April O. six and uh we do uh our best with uh trying to keep you inform with the advancements. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3063.23 3071.2 That's what I was trying to do and I before coming here I just tried to to make uh uh a plan. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3084.04 3087.86 And if we see early that clearly uh there i 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3069.04 3072.79 I'm sorry, but you still don't answer to my my question. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3075.41 3075.58 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3072.79 3075.41 You are not answering my question. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3074.44 3074.69 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3086.98 3089.12 Let me pose again the question very clearly. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3094.72 3104.42 Why don't we take one person three months, six months, four months that directly advised by Olivier and uh and we can speed up. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3089.12 3094.72 If I go to Herve, I can try and say we are in this situation apparently. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3093.92 3094.36 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3102.58 3107.46 And it should be someone with experience in C. plus plus M. F. C. . 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3107.46 3109.05 Uh 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3108.29 3113.1 Consider that it can be difficult of course to find them et cetera and so on. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3113.1 3114.6 Do you think it's an option? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3112.01 3112.86 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3112.86 3113.81 Or a student. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3135.51 3137.62 Uh I'm I'm sure the s se 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3117.61 3131.07 I mean I mean people uh I suppose at H. U. V. there are some people uh where I was in Le Mans in the U. B. uh I mean there uh would be obviously some some students uh that would be aware of and that could be able to handle this. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3131.07 3135.51 I mean they are working with software and hard both our software and hardware. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3112.1 3117.61 Well I mean uh I mean you have people that are aware of uh M. F. C. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3116.47 3116.8 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3117.92 3118.28 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3120.95 3124.05 Yeah, I think there are people yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3120.41 3120.95 At each. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3121.13 3122.4 Yeah, the yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3123.79 3124.26 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3131.29 3131.61 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3134.77 3135.14 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3148.34 3152.41 This is something that is added on the top. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3146.65 3148.34 Because we are all uh full of work. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3140.93 3146.65 Because that's just a matter of responsibility for you guys to but there is nothing bad if you say you have other things to do. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3161.25 3163.89 So April O. six you will have your system. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3152.41 3154.16 Uh if you don't have time you don't have time, guys. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3158.97 3161.25 We will find the time however. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3165.71 3166.58 We don't really know. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3154.16 3158.97 I mean this is uh but please just tell me. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3163.89 3165.71 Or no we are not sure. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3135.48 3137.41 Do you think it's a reasonable option? 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3137.41 3140.93 Do you think it's something that uh can help you? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3151.88 3152.25 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3184.45 3185.82 I mean difficult, huh? 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3183.31 3184.45 That's it's something that breaks. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3176.59 3179.18 Uh maybe we will s we wi will not able to be continuous. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3185.82 3187.84 Mm so that's the point. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3187.84 3196.38 So that which doesn't mean you are excluded f from the thing in the sense that in any case someone will ask will have to advise the person eventually. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3174.71 3176.59 Uh w we don't know. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3167.47 3169.21 Uh it can happen that we don't. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3169.21 3172.19 We don't know what you are going to find on the way. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3198.37 3201.5 It can be you that basically follow, advise, helps. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3196.38 3198.37 And it can't be him, it can't be me. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3179.18 3183.31 Because one of the wrongest thing is to work one week, then one month, no, et cetera. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3172.19 3174.71 Maybe we think it takes one week and then it takes one month. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3201.5 3209.35 But at least the mass of the work will be done by someone else that can spend a hundred percent of time on that. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3175.69 3176.05 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3182.93 3183.35 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3182.93 3183.36 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3190.52 3191.02 No, no, no. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3192.96 3193.15 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3239.71 3246.07 But uh I really would like to stop with this because this has been for several months that you say we like, we want. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3226.93 3233.67 Or will tell you okay, uh January two thousand six, but from January two thousand six you do nothing else than this. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3255.95 3256.91 Um I'm uh I'm sorry. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3209.85 3213.44 Now it's not even guaranteed in the sense that I can ask this. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3246.07 3248.32 And I'm sure, I believe you. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3225.25 3226.93 I don't know. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3257.45 3262.6 But but uh otherwise I mean, as you say, to do it in two years p 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3213.44 3219.34 I can say that well this is the situation and uh you are. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3248.32 3255.95 But then it is always something that must be done outside uh the uh normal activity. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3233.67 3239.71 You know, w we can find the time, whether it is your time, whether it is the time of someone else. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3223.07 3225.25 Forget about everything else and go with that. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3219.34 3223.07 Or eventually yeah, someone can say okay now this become your priority. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3256.91 3257.45 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3213.09 3213.47 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3214.24 3214.34 Hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3234.14 3234.43 No. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3252.49 3253.44 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3251.82 3252.49 No, no, no. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3259.52 3259.71 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3255.66 3256.87 I I understand exactly. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3254.51 3255.29 Which is really bad. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3253.44 3254.51 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3255.29 3255.66 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3256.87 3257.49 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3257.49 3259.52 No, I understand. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3258.88 3259.13 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3263.56 3264.08 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3267.28 3274.47 You like that I try to to to solve this problem and try to say that there is a time problem and you don't have the time to do it? 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3265.87 3267.28 So what do you think? 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3266.37 3266.84 What 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3279.85 3284.22 So I'm not sure about uh on your side, whe what's your yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3275.56 3279.85 Because uh so so Olivier says it's not before January on his side. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3282.27 3289.54 Well I would like to to to work on p kind of part time uh uh w o yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3289.54 3289.88 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3286.9 3287.48 Like what? 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3287.48 3289.63 One day a week, uh something like this? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3293.34 3295.31 And I would okay 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3291.64 3293.34 And one full day a week. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3307.11 3314.67 Then this um card with the code, I. V. C. card, and to to try this. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3314.67 3325.83 Then we try a little bit direct show to see um uh to to have an idea of how how long uh that could be. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3295.31 3307.11 maybe you won't like my answer but I would say that um we ch we we start but we h we really have to start on working wi uh reading all the code from Darren. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3325.83 3329.85 And then at the moment we can say okay we need someone to help us. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3333.43 3334.7 But uh 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3329.98 3330.66 Okay. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3330.66 3333.43 But that can be. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3336.96 3343.66 And as soon as we we we as soon as we we we are not in time, we we we con 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3331.97 3336.96 But I think yeah, that will be good, just to have a plan and to have some deadline in that plan. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3331.42 3331.97 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3332.26 3332.68 But 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3338.38 3339 Let's do that. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3339.84 3340.23 Fo 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3337.03 3338.38 Well, w uh let's do that. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3339 3339.84 Okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3341.97 3344.54 Because uh because there are there are several issues I would say. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3358.72 3365.67 synchron so this means that to some extent we could have a device which would not yet be fully synchronized and,
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3371.82 3378.79 But that might be sufficient, because I mean it synchronize up to, don't know, five seconds. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3387.77 3395.7 So still we would be able to start doing some recordings and maybe uh doing even the automatic alignment, or at least we would have an idea about, 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3365.67 3371.82 I don't know, we've uh you know very well done uh code in terms of sending signals and so on. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3348.37 3358.47 I mean if we record le the flow of the video for instance and the snap-shots from the slides to some extent there is some possibility of doing some automatic alignment without having a special 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3344.54 3348.37 Like if there would be a machine like this, with the two cards separated as I mention. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3358.47 3358.72 you know 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3378.79 3381.76 And you would say five seconds may seem a lot for audio and video. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3381.76 3387.77 But maybe f respect to slides and the rest is not is something that may be tolerable. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3377 3377.75 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3377.75 3378.67 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3378.67 3378.82 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3384.49 3386.36 It can be tolerable, yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3386.36 3386.64 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3390.34 3391.23 Exactly. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3398.53 3404.9 Uh do do because it's not like with microphone arrays where you would need micro-second alignments, of course. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3442.47 3449.35 which is to have it so that we can play and we can make a nice demo and so on with the full uh thing and something. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3432.46 3436.27 Because after, I mean even if it there, we cannot put all the times in one week, right. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3409.44 3417.54 So this is really some somehow I mean the uh the the issue, I mean I'm sure that there are plenty of possibilities to do things. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3449.35 3456.45 So f the other part is to have a system which from which we can already record data and with some approximation. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3396.21 3398.53 you know, what are the problems in terms of alignments. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3417.54 3432.46 And the goal would be that indeed we could start uh rec doing some of the recordings of the time so that indeed we would already we uh we would have uh something where uh we could uh start getting the data. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3404.9 3409.44 Uh or even maybe with we want video where it may be one or two frames, I don't know. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3436.27 3442.47 I mean so and uh so I mean this is uh this is one of the issue as well 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3403.62 3403.85 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3412.16 3413.34 It's a very good idea, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3424.94 3427.16 Yeah, and to improve the system like 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3426.88 3427.18 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3429.75 3430.11 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3437 3437.27 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3438.26 3438.54 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3446.59 3446.75 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3475.41 3488.46 I mean to come here and to and to help us with the installation on a computer and uh and uh to to to get the so I have more the feeling that this is something that could be done almost in one month. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3474.86 3475.41 I don't know 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3456.79 3459.34 And I have the feeling, given the descriptions that you made 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3488.46 3492.4 Again, I'm not speaking about the synchronization I mean as 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3459.34 3474.86 that to have such a system wouldn't require a six months of work because basically their own code is there to some extent and uh the I. V. C. is something quite standard from which we could ask I mean even we could even pay maybe pro some people from Fribourg 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3456.79 3457.01 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3475.47 3475.7 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3479.72 3480.43 Mm-hmm, yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3478.14 3479.72 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3480.95 3481.3 To 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3491.76 3497 So without direct show you mean the frame grabbing signal and time alignment? 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3497 3505.29 Uh wi that would be done uh in like in common software that we have uh afterwards? 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3492 3492.24 Yep. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3493.94 3497.04 Yeah, I mean the two yeah, yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3497.22 3497.51 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3497.51 3498.34 And we 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3503.48 3509.49 Yeah, the for instance a simple question maybe you can are we sure that it can work on a single computer? 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3509.49 3510.54 I don't know. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3527.05 3546.78 you put the two then you you basically you say play on the both sides and you look whether at the end you have uh a recorded signals which is is is uh the time that it should uh be and uh or whether I mean the fact that whenever I mean the slides is doing some uh processing uh it there is some and there is some frame drops or things like this. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3515.27 3518.41 I mean is there any uh issues with respect to this? 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3518.41 3520.73 So this is yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3514.67 3515.27 I don't know. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3520.73 3527.05 So it doesn't require it it's more testing it does not require so for this we I mean if you put the two cards on the computer 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3515.79 3520.37 Okay th and this point is about testing and uh yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3520.37 3520.73 Okay. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3517.62 3520.7 Uh i no. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3520.7 3521.8 Let me 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3537.54 3537.76 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3546 3546.18 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3555.12 3564.62 Okay oh yeah, you are you cannot or o l uh by doing one one day a week, mm you know just I think the cards. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3553.13 3555.12 Uh with direct show issue. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3546.17 3553.13 So you could say okay, let's for Christmas let's try this without the all the synchronization. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3549.8 3550.79 So this is uh 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3555.97 3556.2 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3566.26 3568.72 Until January is uh is busy. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3568.72 3570.01 So 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3565.19 3566.26 That seems to me clear. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3576.39 3580.02 I want to finish all these project when everything is finished. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3567.81 3571.22 Uh if I if I say until January this is just to finish. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3571.22 3576.39 Uh I want to have the deadline at end of December to finish all my project. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3580.02 3582.37 After that I can move to another one. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3582.37 3583.68 But I don't want to 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3567.33 3567.81 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3576.91 3577.29 Okay. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3577.69 3577.72 Ah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3578.97 3579.81 So yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3583.89 3586.47 So it can't work uh yeah, exactly. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3589.45 3590.5 So it's up to you. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3579.81 3583.89 Just to go to a conclusion, because apparently yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3586.47 3589.45 Can't work uh until January. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3590.5 3592.95 It's up to you to evaluate, yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3582.29 3582.55 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3584.3 3586.22 Anyway, the recording is finished, I think. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3586.09 3586.35 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3586.59 3586.76 Yeah. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3588.5 3588.81 No. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3588.81 3589.06 No. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3589.04 3593.27 So I try my best until January. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3593.27 3603.88 And um and I try to do what Jean-Marc uh described to give you a first feedback on the different cards. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3603.88 3608.8 Uh and uh and from there it would m yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3598.63 3598.98 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3621.3 3621.54 Hmm? 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3611.24 3621.3 And then we d make a decision in the sense whether you continue working or we try to find the time in a different way or we try to eliminate your other priorities you're under. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3612.75 3613.03 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3615.11 3615.4 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3620.72 3621.04 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3621.73 3625.12 I'm I'm wondering whether still we could ask for to get an intern for this. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3625.15 3625.36 Yep. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3632.4 3638.38 But you can have you can ask for a student, a d a diploma work. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3629.6 3632.4 I don't know if this is uh still in time. 
IN1014 H01 MIO020 3625.83 3629.6 Uh I I don't know regarding H. E. V. S. . 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3626.63 3628.63 I mean uh 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3643.71 3647.46 I mean the things we could ask uh but I would yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3639.47 3643.71 Yeah, this is uh still uh even even the non-diploma work. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3647.46 3648.94 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3644.69 3646.94 I think that's that's a different problem. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3646.94 3652.77 The problem is really up to you guys, whether you think it's good to have one person. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3654.77 3658.1 Try to have that because uh I cannot say we have tried to have 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3674.34 3674.75 Mm-hmm. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3656.36 3662.42 I would say uh let's let's yeah, let's try to have one uh students uh to help us on that. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3662.42 3664.01 I don't know. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3673.06 3674.34 Yeah. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3667.96 3673.06 But uh uh the the student should have knowledge about M. F. C. with oh okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3664.01 3667.96 That is very well, we have to choose whether the students it's too it'd be stupid. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3656.82 3657.1 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3662.51 3662.67 Mm. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3665.02 3665.68 Well you 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3676.38 3677.08 Okay. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3674.12 3676.38 Yeah. 
IN1014 H03 MIO031 3666.9 3674.12 W exactly, it wi but better no person than a bad person anyway. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3669.28 3670.03 Well, but yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3667.19 3668.38 Yeah, that's that's the issue. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3668.38 3669.28 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3674.31 3674.69 Yeah. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3676.61 3677.13 Okay. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3681.81 3683.27 But uh the recording has finished. 
IN1014 H02 MIO016 3678.5 3681.81 Doesn't mean that we d we have to to stop talking yet. 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3678.54 3679.43 I think it's 
IN1014 H00 MIO024 3686.15 3686.44 Uh 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 52.3 54.42 So yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 48.74 52.3 So I can say whatever and you cannot reply. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 39.79 48.74 Okay, we start waiting for people coming late and uh I can say this because in this moment you cannot answer because you don't have the microphone. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 39.96 40.4 Thanks. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 43.17 43.78 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 43.41 45.41 Yeah, sorry about that, Matthew is still on the way. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 50.85 51.08 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 56.36 57.88 Yeah, it's okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 53.41 56.36 Okay, hang on, reply coming. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 57.88 60.56 U oh, I hate these things. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 67.59 68.14 So 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 66.81 67.59 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 65.34 66.81 Voila. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 73.95 76.5 Um have you been talking to Matthew about what you've been doing? 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 76.5 77.04 Or 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 69.9 73.95 Um we can maybe get a head start. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 110.31 133.22 And uh so what we did with Alessandro is uh um ch t uh performing some statistical tests to see whatever r if the if the words uh the the appearance of the words during the meeting is uh in independent of the ap appearances of the different slides. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 84.62 88.76 So uh basically uh well 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 105.18 110.31 So um uh that's one thing. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 77.01 84.62 Um a little bit, but uh I'm m I'm not sure he knows uh everything. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 88.76 105.18 first we tried to um explain why in this uh resc uh N. best list re-scoring uh from the slides to enhance the speech recognition on the meetings data is not working. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 101.75 101.92 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 104.38 104.96 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 133.4 133.65 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 133.66 150.5 So the in the case if it is dependent that would mean that certain words tend to appear during certain slides and that there is a correlation and uh then there will be uh a reason like for believing that uh this will work. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 140.75 143.49 Yeah, which was the intuitive feeling. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 154.41 163.84 But uh bu but the question is if is that result no because it's no or is it also just because there's not really enough data to be sure about anything? 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 151.54 154.41 And is and the r result was no. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 149.47 150.77 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 150.77 151.54 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 153.99 155.38 The resu the result was no. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 162.72 163.18 Ye 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 192.57 206.19 Of the rest uh remaining fifty percent I mean are all words that appear one, two, three times. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 176.76 183.5 ,0 But the mass of the words actually you use are words that are common. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 186.75 192.57 So in terms of recognition fifty percent goes away. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 206.19 209.69 So in any case even if actually and they tend to be uh related or a statistically related to a single slide, in any case in terms of uh recognition do not help at all, or help a very little. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 166.81 176.76 I mean intuitively of course you tend to use more the words that are on the slide. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 183.5 186.75 Just think that fifty percent of the words on average whatever corpus you take are stop words, articles, et cetera. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 164.09 166.81 In my opinion it is no because of the nature of the language. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 212.41 216.69 So uh that's the kind of thing uh I mean that's the kind of measure, the ind statistical independence is not on single words. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 170.95 171.29 Sure. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 183.76 184.06 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 182.45 183.76 Yeah, okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 186.2 186.5 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 192.19 192.49 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 204.28 205.33 It's not gonna yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 213.36 213.91 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 212.29 213.36 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 221.36 229.5 I think I mean i in uh from uh from an application point of view it might be interesting to make sure that your vocabulary contains all the words on the slides. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 216.69 221.36 This is so sort of a feeling that we had but hadn't shown. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 229.5 232.03 But from a research perspective it's not interesting. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 225.48 225.69 Hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 242.09 243.28 It was two percent. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 232.52 242.09 even if actually I remember I just made some measure uh saying okay l let's look at how many words I don't have in the dictionary and are in the slides. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 232.31 232.52 You know 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 240.83 241.66 There'd be very few. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 242.07 243.27 Yeah, true. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 243.27 244.44 Yeah, almost nothing. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 253.24 253.9 So 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 243.78 246.42 Well, this is h this is how the dictionary's calculated. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 246.42 253.24 It calculated such that if you don't have the word it doesn't affect to a great degree the the the word error rate. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 246.55 247.89 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 246.59 246.93 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 248.2 249.06 Exactly. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 250.85 251.33 Exactly. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 267.29 274.66 Uh it is different if you want to have other tasks where the only words that all are words. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 257.76 262.43 But in practical terms, in terms of recognition uh here we we we have to be clear. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 253.85 257.76 So some in some sense it intuitively it sounds very good. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 274.66 281.02 In that case, even the slight improvements uh he gets at that point, they can make the difference. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 253.26 253.85 Exactly. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 281.02 282.35 But does the recognition 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 262.43 267.29 If you want to improve the recognition, that im improves very slightly. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 253.98 254.21 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 262.43 262.82 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 264.54 264.95 Sure. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 266.72 266.94 Yep. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 270.07 271.29 M like yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 274.64 275.01 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 277.33 277.66 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 283.02 284.52 Well, this is yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 280.44 282.45 But th yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 282.45 283.02 No. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 284.52 285.12 That's yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 292.39 294.29 But that's that's what happens basically. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 285.05 292.39 And some way the statistical independence I think it can be a good explanation to show why it is happen even if it is counterintuitive. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 290.52 290.77 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 294.92 297.77 So Matthew we were uh yeah 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 294.22 294.92 Huh. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 297.77 313.08 it's uh we were talking that we did some experiments to see if the word during meeting the words appear independently of the slides in a sense that uh if certain words tend to appear during certain slides or no. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 313.08 316.23 And uh the answer is uh no. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 341.2 348.93 But uh even uh after removing them uh there it it remains uh independent. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 319.18 329.3 And I will add also that we did that on the uh w the words after filtering them from the removing the the stop words. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 316.23 319.18 And uh so we did a statistical test for that. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 329.3 332.25 Yeah, so uh so uh bec s because yeah 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 332.25 341.2 with the stop words okay th there would be a reason for uh in independence because there is uh such a huge mess of them. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 294.99 301.7 Could you ju just quickly rewind? 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 297.21 298.58 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 297.97 298.77 Oh sorry about that. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 298.77 300.51 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 304.07 304.61 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 306.97 308.31 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 308.31 308.51 Oh. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 311.83 312.56 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 315.99 316.61 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 319.64 319.73 Oh. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 329.62 330.82 'Cause it's not gonna make any difference. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 328.92 329.31 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 328.4 328.92 Of course. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 329.31 329.62 Yep. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 330.82 331.03 Yep. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 329.31 329.75 Okay. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 330.25 330.53 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 358.87 366.16 Uh it ha it had the m the most uh slides. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 409.41 410.23 But uh 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 349.61 358.87 And actually uh so when I was doing the re-scoring experiments, I was doing that on uh one meeting that I selected as being like the best looking one. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 396.84 407.79 And as I was in increasing the number of slides which were affecting the the utterance I was re-scoring um the performance was improving sli s uh slightly. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 382.71 390.09 So it's total of three meetings and for the others the tendency and I c 'cause you know I was when I was doing re-scoring 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 366.16 382.71 And now I did the same uh on uh the other meetings which were available where well it's only three meetings because well here there are four of them which are from the test set uh from the AMI recogniser w but only three of them have uh slides. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 407.79 409.41 Very very little. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 390.09 396.84 I was uh taking into account the for one given slide also the n neighbouring slides. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 370.43 370.82 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 378.24 378.46 Yep. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 407.08 407.48 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 430.6 438.07 Uh when you said the the st uh uh the s uh the w yeah,
IN1016 H03 MIO050 415.28 425.65 So wha first point the first thing you told me that you took the slides and you was and you had a l big dictionary and you are seeing uh what what are the inside the slide 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 410.31 410.64 Wait wait. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 425.65 426.1 right? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 426.1 430.6 Uh what the 'cause I first statement I could not understand. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 410.07 410.31 No no. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 413.22 414.37 thing actually. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 414.37 415.28 It's very fast. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 410.64 413.22 It's going very fast for me actually. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 441.88 442.21 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 438.07 441.88 so we what's so yeah, so could you please tell me little bit more in detail? 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 412.27 412.46 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 429.87 438.65 Uh the the first thing we are talking about ex the experiment to see the uh if it's dependent or independent. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 442.95 449.41 Uh so we used the Pearson uh chi square uh test no. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 441.17 442.95 How we did it? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 449.33 451.66 I I want the no 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 462.67 465.34 I could not understand clearly clearly that. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 451.66 462.67 I want to understand what did you mean by the wo uh the te uh thing like saying that I took a dictionary and then a word from the slide and what you are looking for. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 448.28 449.33 No no no, don't go that. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 463.64 465.3 Ah okay. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 478.46 478.65 W 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 465.3 478.46 It was to to see if uh certain words have a tendency to appear during uh uh they if they are more likely to appear during certain slides. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 472.53 472.83 Mm mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 480.81 486.79 Like wha how do you expect that certain words? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 478.16 480.81 Okay, but do how do why do you want certain words. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 508.71 510.73 But actually it's not what happens. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 487.71 497.34 So the point is you want to verify whether you can improve the recognition rate by using as an information the words that uh are contain in the slides. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 482.16 487.71 Be be b be careful, it's not exactly this because for sure there are words that tend to be. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 510.73 512.89 And this does not happen for many reason. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 497.34 503.63 So basically the idea is that uh in the moment you are in the slide somewhere your language change accordingly to the slide. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 512.89 518.78 First, for example, fifty percent of the words in any kind of text are stop words. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 518.78 519.9 So are everywhere. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 503.63 508.71 So the fact of having that information somewhere can help you to improve the recognition. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 492.19 492.51 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 503.38 504.02 Exactly. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 508.13 508.84 Exactly. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 510.34 510.75 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 520.04 520.36 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 554 560.53 But you have to i if you want to consider in terms of recognition performance,you have to make it overall. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 560.53 564.12 I mean what is important is not the word that appear once, it's the word that appear 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 531.16 532.49 So how to verify this? 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 532.49 536.79 I mean this is something that has been measured et cetera but still is a bit qualitative. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 547.66 554 Otherwise you can see that if a words appear once, basically it is one hundred percent related to one slide, huh? 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 536.79 545.55 To have a quantitative measure, mm-hmm, we simply did uh a measure of statistical independence between the words in general,
IN1016 H01 MIO031 525.4 531.16 Most of the words we use actually whatever we talk about are common uh words. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 545.55 547.66 so not some words, the words in general. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 520.37 525.4 And the remaining a appear so little, that in the case cannot really improve that much. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 529.5 530 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 538.69 539.16 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 543.49 543.89 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 545.45 545.75 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 547.87 548.13 Mm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 553.37 553.76 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 554.24 554.46 Hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 558.38 558.78 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 562.9 564.04 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 573.44 573.71 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 571.25 573.44 One percent well. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 564.04 571.25 It appears in almost uh uh it is if it appears in all the slides it says a hundred percent correlation for me. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 574.9 579.24 it appears in correspondence of one slide, then of course it seems to be very related. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 585.9 590.4 So we simply used a very old test, statistical test 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 605.32 607.04 So that's what we did. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 607.04 610.89 But is in general the language and not certain words. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 569.92 571.22 If uh i exactly. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 604.53 605.32 That's it. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 590.4 604.53 that basically measure the hypothesis that some way the probability of having one word in correspondence of a certain slide is simply the product of the probability of the word for the probability of the. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 614.86 616.42 But there are l few. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 616.42 616.94 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 571.22 574.9 If if there is one word that appear once all over the meeting,
IN1016 H01 MIO031 610.89 614.86 Because certain words for sure have a strong dependency on the slides. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 579.24 585.9 But very few words uh they represent a very little part of the word mass, mm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 577.01 577.32 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 578.89 579.16 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 580.94 581.75 Are like that. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 583.67 584.03 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 584.05 584.48 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 585.38 585.69 Hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 588.96 589.72 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 595.5 595.91 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 598.61 599.05 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 602.39 604.25 Okay, it's independent of each other. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 604.25 604.59 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 606.26 611.69 Okay, fine, that's fine, that's uh uh uh s certain words it should. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 611.69 612.48 You have to 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 610.54 610.97 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 610.97 611.41 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 619.23 619.91 Fine. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 621.11 623.79 I'm into the loop. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 625.12 625.67 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 613.7 619.23 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 619.91 621.11 Now I'm uh okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 623.79 625.12 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 614.9 615.11 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 616.45 616.94 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 618.98 619.5 Hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 646.2 647.19 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 638.05 646.2 uh so I was r observing an improvement as I was increasing um like the um the context. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 622.05 625.6 And the answer to that was no. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 621.3 622.05 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 625.6 638.05 And s so when extending the those experiments to the other meetings uh when while I was observing an improvement on the first meeting I was using 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 647.19 647.96 Uh 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 644.73 645.42 Context. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 651.32 651.79 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 647.2 649.29 But it is implemented on the A. S. R. ? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 649.29 651.32 Or uh where? 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 674.02 675.16 what's the word for that? 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 656.91 674.02 while on the other meetings it's um it's it's it's really fluctuating and uh i it it uh it looks more like um uh ps uh well 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 651.91 656.91 So there was uh the improvement was also increasing as I was increasing the context 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 650.01 651.91 On the on the recognition, yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 675.16 680.21 Statistical um um fluctuation. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 656.05 656.51 Okay. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 678.9 679.56 Fluctuations? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 679.66 681 Oh okay. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 682.48 683.39 So uh 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 701.27 704.51 But so I mean I guess that's not a surprising result then. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 683.12 686.05 I mean the it's probably very dependent on the speaker as well. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 694.04 701.27 or or or quite purposefully talk about different things so that they've sort of got multi-modality of you know. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 704.51 705.96 The um 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 686.05 694.04 Some people have a habit of just reading what they've got on their slides and some people are com are are well 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 685.99 686.36 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 690.92 695.99 Else interpolate, extrapolate. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 696.89 697.32 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 695.99 696.89 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 695.68 695.94 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 697.46 697.73 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 699.39 699.91 Uh yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 705.12 705.46 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 730.02 738.29 But it is true that intuitively uh as we are driven in our attention uh I mean in in our understanding we're pretty much driven by attention 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 725.83 730.02 There are very few uh content uh words. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 719.94 725.83 Uh most of the words we use uh that's strange, but are simply necessary to build a sentence. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 738.29 741.42 that we tend to spot only those words. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 706.56 719.94 It is not in terms I mean for me for example it was not in the sense that uh after working a little bit on language you realise that this kind of thing do not help simply because most of the words uh have nothing to do specifically with the subject you use. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 714.92 715.41 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 717.97 718.25 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 722.36 722.98 S 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 725.4 725.68 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 725.65 725.99 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 729.44 729.79 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 741.32 744.44 We s go straight to the semantics of the yep. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 740.05 741.32 Yeah, sure. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 754.35 760.64 For other task it can be uh it can be uh helpful. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 743.44 747.3 Exactly, and in some sense intuitively it seems that it can happen 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 747.3 754.35 I mean this is not the first attempt to do things like this and it never works actually i in terms of recognition. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 751.64 751.94 Hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 754.42 755.96 Yes. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 755.96 756.43 Maybe. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 758.96 759.36 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 761.6 773.04 So you mea so uh you mean to say that um like when one case you were saying that if you include the context and all those thing it helps in your A. S. R. improvement,
IN1016 H03 MIO050 773.04 776.88 but it doesn't, which more subjective I think this whole 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 761.84 762.7 Oh okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 791.74 798.48 Even if those words at the end of the day would be quite important in any sort of search of the transcript. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 798.48 803.81 But at the end of the day why wouldn't you just use the slides to search the transcript? 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 777.31 782.82 Well I mean uh it just comes down to the to the mere fact that word error rate is just take the words. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 803.81 807.2 I if you have th slides, then yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 782.82 785.04 How many of them did you get right. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 785.04 790.26 Take plus or minus two or three or five or ten words doesn't really make any difference. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 790.26 791.74 So yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 784.48 784.89 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 787.6 787.97 Yes. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 787.1 787.6 Uh-huh. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 789.54 789.8 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 789.87 790.23 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 790.08 790.21 Huh. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 795.32 795.58 Yep. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 795.7 796.08 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 798.16 798.76 Mm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 798.19 798.65 Exactly. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 803.36 805.14 Mm yeah, you can do that, yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 806.3 808.63 Or it could 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 836.19 839.32 I mean um we cannot expect much from from it. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 808.12 823.44 So that's why um uh if we look on the relationship that uh exists between the speech and the slides, uh the task of improving the recognition 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 823.44 836.19 uh the overall um sp uh speech recognition using the slides uh seems to be uh uh not very uh um good. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 842.4 850.4 Have you have you been thinking about what you would like to to do in in in place of this? 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 834.49 836.06 No. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 850.4 853.5 Or or or leading on from this, given what you've learnt? 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 836.06 842.4 Y you'd ju I mean the uh I mean it so I mean have you been doing other things then? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 837.17 837.6 Mm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 867.03 870.66 Especially those experiments and these uh statistical tests. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 894.44 895.56 but if the 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 854.15 867.03 Mm well for now the uh most effort was uh on uh um showing why i it's i it's it will not work. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 870.66 894.44 But uh we w were thinking for example of a task like um trying to uh see if uh where a speaker is talking I mean if the speech is actually correlated with the slides uh where the slides uh which happen during the not correlated 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 870.39 870.73 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 896.98 901.4 Correlate is a dangerous word in statistic. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 896.49 896.98 Be careful. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 901.4 903.47 It seems to be the opposite as before. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 898.47 900.77 'Cause ours is strict. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 901.41 904.07 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 900.77 901.41 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 904.75 907.4 Uh well if the um 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 907.75 909.26 Associated? 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 909.57 913.79 If the speaker is actually talking about what is in the slides or not. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 911.73 912.21 The. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 912.68 913.15 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 914.51 914.95 Okay. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 917.78 919.92 Basically uh one thing it can't be done. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 938.71 941.3 But actually the people talk about other things. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 952.63 954.47 Is a just a background uh thing. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 916.98 917.78 Or roughly. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 951.39 952.63 And there are moment where it is not. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 941.3 946.98 Or not really other things but the slide is no longer uh a support for the discussion, huh? 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 934.69 938.71 Then yeah, still the slide is there. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 933.48 934.69 There are presentation. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 954.47 956.98 And we rough estimated very quickly. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 946.98 951.39 There are moment that actually this is the support because the people describe, et cetera. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 958.83 960.65 At least in in the meeting we have seen. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 919.92 929.58 And and here uh on the contrary for example the few words that are mm how may I say it recognized more can really make the difference. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 956.98 958.83 But it was one third of the time. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 929.58 933.48 It isn't the case if you want to see if uh I mean what if seen in the meeting and that okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 927.4 927.77 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 941.17 941.76 Sure. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 944.64 946.11 The focus. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 946.11 947.38 Yeah, okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 954.72 954.98 Yep. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 961.22 964.45 The slide were just there I mean but they were no longer use as a support. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 990.16 996.35 It can be simply interpreted in the sense of saying uh okay I mean you have this channel open there. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 979.36 979.9 huh. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 996.35 998.6 Do I have to p taken into account or not? 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 987.81 990.16 It can be interpreted as a kind of focus of interest. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 985.45 987.81 Uh It can be this. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 964.45 967.23 It was a discussion rather between people. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 967.23 979.36 So in that case the presence or the absence and especially the frequence with which you observe the words that are on the slides can be an excellent uh uh clue 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 979.9 985.45 Indication, a clear indication, whether actually does it support of the discussion or not. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 965.62 966.05 Okay. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 978.6 979.29 Indicator. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 984.37 987.05 M meeting action sort of focus. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 996.31 996.53 Yep. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 999.39 999.61 Hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1021.61 1023 Relatively easy to do. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1000.97 1011.93 yeah uh when you see that s the discussion is completely m disconnected with respect to this some way uh it means that it's happen in something different than before. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1011.93 1018.19 So I mean it's a kind of feature that in my opinion can be easy to detect it and um that can,
IN1016 H01 MIO031 999.69 1000.97 Or also in terms of action 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1030.47 1036.35 Oh so is that mm double way to to show how some way dependent on the task. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1023 1030.47 And uh in that case, for example, the few words mm that you that you get more can make the difference. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1018.19 1021.61 yeah, uh f can be interesting to do. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1006.61 1006.87 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1011.72 1012.05 Yep. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1021.33 1021.59 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1027.59 1028.11 Yeah, sure. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1029.9 1030.24 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1039.08 1049.52 So maybe like it can be uh something like in a meeting it can be like an unusual scenario for you, in a presentation with a slide. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1037.54 1039.08 So you so you so okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1049.52 1053.9 And the unusual scenario that you're not using the uh slide at all. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1049.05 1049.53 W 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1063.21 1073.83 So in the beginning so the meeting started with the summary of what happened uh previous time and this was not related to what was on the slides. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1053.94 1062.91 Yeah, or for example uh what happened for example in one of the meetings is that p people were um summarizing the the results of the previous meeting 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1062.91 1063.21 you know. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1054 1054.98 Well 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1062.9 1063.15 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1063.13 1063.42 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1071.02 1071.28 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1072.89 1074.67 What are the other slide, yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1102.08 1104.28 Um well okay 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1104.28 1113.9 well I mean it if if if these similar sort of phrases or words were discussed in this meeting and were also discussed in the previous meeting 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1073.7 1074.83 Ye yeah, okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1083.94 1088.69 and which is sort of building upon what, you know, Dong and others have worked on in terms of,
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1113.9 1118.42 then you sort of have a a link between meetings for instance. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1093.52 1102.08 Uh a y are are you also considering that you could actually look at the relationship between meetings for instance? 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1088.69 1093.52 you know, is it discussion, monologue, from the original M. four data collection. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1074.83 1083.94 So I mean uh you could begin with s saying the a um the simple task of just determining whether or not the speech is related to the slide content,
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1102.91 1104.19 What do you mean exactly? 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1112.52 1113.06 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1115.9 1116.79 Link uh 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1118.09 1118.26 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1118.26 1121.65 Some way well there are f yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1123.38 1127.23 But I I mean 'cause obviously you've gotta think towards what, you know,
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1133.05 1137.33 But have to look at all the future and so just a s 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1119.67 1123.38 I don't know I don't know how this you have to ches the check the statistics. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1127.23 1133.05 this this won't occupy ab ab you know, won't occupy you for three years or whatever just on this I guess. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1122.22 1123.58 But this is one yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1126.84 1127.11 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1145.5 1151.24 And the data we have then uh enough for the for a thesis of course it must be much better. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1155.71 1158.83 Some of them you can do it on a single meeting. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1151.24 1155.71 But of course the there's only two two different kinds of words. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1135 1139.55 Yeah, I know, this we are s s talking about today short term if you want. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1164.08 1165.66 Now is background. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1170.99 1184.17 And then there are corpus um based um how may I say it works so yeah, that is one possibility for example, finding the connection between different meetings. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1166.75 1169.34 You can put it in that in that way. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1158.83 1164.08 So this kind of feature extraction because basically that's what it is, saying yes no this channel is good. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1139.55 1141.25 Uh things just to the use the things. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1132.7 1135 Mm-hmm hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1169.34 1170.99 This you do it on a single meeting. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1141.25 1145.5 I mean all the work they that has done basically, which is a huge work. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1165.66 1166.75 Now is foreground, et cetera. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1133.17 1133.43 Huh. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1139.42 1140.09 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1139.43 1139.75 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1143.45 1143.79 Okay. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1143.85 1146.19 Yeah, it was recycling uh kind of. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1147.5 1147.78 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1166.78 1167.48 Yeah, okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1170.99 1171.3 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1174.65 1177.63 and yep. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1177.63 1177.88 Yep. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1175.81 1176.19 Task. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1210.25 1212.2 It can be 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1184.84 1185.38 Then I don't know 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1206.93 1210.25 I mean I don't know how much significant can be at that level. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1185.38 1203.5 I mean at that point it becomes pretty much crucial the kind of uh data you have in the sense that for the way we have collected the data some way I don't know if it can be at the same time too easy in the sense that some way you have little groups of meetings extremely correlated. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1203.5 1206.93 So I mean it it makes it easier. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1190.58 1190.93 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1197.89 1198.95 Well y yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1202.46 1202.81 Sure. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1207.28 1207.49 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1210.23 1210.85 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1210.85 1217.02 I mean uh it's it's and because we don't have all the data collected or annotated yet, it's it's very difficult to know, isn't it. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1216.15 1217.74 I in a sense 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1217.74 1227.01 if you want uh this kind of words become interesting when the corpus is really big uh uh when when you when you consider each meeting as a single item. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1233.04 1239.91 But I mean you can do other work if you consider in terms of speaker turns or in terms of slides, and that is immediately multiply. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1227.01 1233.04 So it's interesting when you have tens, hundreds, thousands of meetings, which is not the case. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1223.43 1224.01 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1224.01 1224.55 Yep, yep, yep. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1231.69 1231.91 Hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1244.57 1248.31 I mean 'cause it's an awful lot of speech activity, which is yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1237.65 1238.71 Yeah, sure. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1238.71 1243.27 Or b or as you say, back-channel versus yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1243.27 1244.57 'Cause I th think that's quite interesting. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1242.17 1242.85 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1242.85 1243.24 Yep, yep. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1243.24 1245.75 That is another 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1243.28 1243.54 Huh. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1245.23 1245.44 Huh. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1245.92 1247.28 Even summarization. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1247.28 1247.78 Or 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1249.21 1254.49 So it can be one more feature that helps in but it is very short-term. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1254.49 1259.08 I mean just uh well it is ju just few few few times we talk together and it was just,
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1259.08 1263.72 mean, the very quick thing you can can have uh like this. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1255.11 1255.44 Sure. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1255.17 1256.14 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1256.14 1256.43 Mm yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1259.58 1259.97 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1274.63 1276.84 That's good. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1264.7 1269 So I mean as far as that you've got everything to do that, I presume. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1276.84 1277.69 But I mean it it 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1273.5 1274.63 Or I mean that's good. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1264 1264.7 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1269 1273.5 Um you don't need any extra stuff from us in the immediate future? 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1283.05 1286.13 Or maybe we should finish with this first. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1276.29 1278.08 No. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1286.13 1287.16 Uh I mean uh 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1278.08 1283.05 But for the other thing, you know uh uh the alternative measures. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1272.61 1276.29 Uh no. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1274.22 1278.36 We have plenty of things to do. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1285.94 1286.32 What track? 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1286.13 1293.72 Uh yeah I wouldn't get too distracted I guess on d d if you've got two tracks, I'd like to 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1298.61 1307.51 S but uh w but uh uh basically ju just, you know, if we finish uh discussing this first. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1294.09 1298.61 Yeah, this uh this would be a f uh another subject I would like to discuss. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1300.6 1300.99 Go on. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1300.99 1301.81 Yeah, it's no problem. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1300.28 1300.6 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1313.37 1319.82 Because I want like kind of a uh so at first you said that okay now you did this. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1309.15 1313.37 So uh well so ultimately now the next step what is that? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1307.55 1309.15 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1308.09 1308.97 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1308.97 1309.67 Um 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1321.18 1323.23 This correlation studies. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1329.64 1338.11 And uh um uh so uh so what next in on top of it what you are going to build I mean is the question now. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1323.23 1329.64 And they show that there's a very less correlation or in fact no correlation kind of thing. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1328.44 1328.87 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1328.53 1329.01 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1344.09 1352.76 When this uh statistical test it can be we have made an experiment we get a result somewhat counter-intuitive we give an explanation. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1339.96 1344.09 But I think in a sense in my opinion well there are two things. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1348.34 1348.55 Mm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1353.13 1353.4 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1353.58 1353.84 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1369.87 1378.05 So it gives the possibility to decide to go uh in a different direction that can be more on this uh let's say. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1365.82 1369.87 Maybe to improve the recognition that way is not uh something you can expect. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1354.52 1356.47 And uh that's it. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1356.47 1359.49 I mean that's that's something that some way closes here. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1359.49 1365.82 So when it gives you the kind of answer you get is that okay to go in that in that direction maybe is not the best thing. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1364.04 1364.4 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1377.31 1380.03 Yeah, so t I mean to the different direction now that's what I mean to say. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1380.03 1383.49 What you like to take from there. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1383.49 1386.02 Uh it's not defined yet, okay. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1382.72 1384.35 This is not clearly defined yet. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1383.53 1384.41 This is 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1385.16 1385.4 Hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1386.76 1397.6 But uh um something um using this relationship uh between the slides uh and other even other tek textual support and the uh and the speech. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1398.1 1398.5 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1399.43 1399.69 Hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1401.15 1405.56 We need a definition of some kind of uh problem, right? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1405.56 1407.06 Uh yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1399.92 1401.15 But what kind of problem? 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1402.2 1403.01 But I 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1410.45 1413.08 For instance um gaze tracking. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1413.08 1415.88 I mean if if people are looking at the slides 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1404.78 1410.45 And uh the k and the question is also are there other sort of more sensible ways of doing it. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1412.93 1413.49 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1415.48 1415.9 Mm-hmm hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1426.58 1427.9 Gaze tracking is still 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1417.66 1426.58 Well uh I think the advantage eventually w I mean the advantage with this kind of things is that are much easier. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1427.83 1428.53 Yeah, sure. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1431.55 1431.96 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1428.53 1431.55 And it has specific to the environment and all that sort of thing. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1428.94 1431.38 No, no, no. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1455.35 1456.95 Exactly. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1437.6 1441.11 Uh but I think his question is more uh general. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1433.21 1437.6 I mean it requires cameras with pretty good quality, et cetera. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1457.71 1459.03 Exactly. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1454.57 1455.35 Exactly. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1441.11 1446.73 A and it says so I mean based on this work, do you figure out uh a direction if they guess correctly. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1456.95 1457.71 Exactly. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1430.91 1433.21 Just with the environment is a difficult thing. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1446.73 1454.57 Uh a domain, a direction for your thesis for your exactly. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1436.74 1437.08 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1436.75 1437.31 No but 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1440.87 1441.28 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1463.8 1468.64 And uh should go uh in one or uh one d yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1462.09 1463.8 One problem. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1444.96 1446.42 yeah, direction. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1449.09 1457.63 It should not that i it should not happen that you're doing so many things and ultimately it doesn't goes into a thesis. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1460.16 1462.09 Your thesis should be w in one direction. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1468.64 1470.04 It it doesn't make sense. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1479.14 1484.86 So what is that uh what would be the next possible direction you want to take. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1447.6 1449.09 We go on to the next direction. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1470.04 1479.14 Uh the it may be good as a C. V. for you, but then as a thesis you will have problems uh defending it and all those things. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1457.63 1460.16 The that's that should not the problem. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1446.42 1447.6 Yeah, that's that is a thing. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1484.86 1485.54 Uh 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1447.25 1447.42 Huh. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1457.15 1457.46 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1462.29 1462.67 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1468.98 1470.08 But uh 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1465.47 1468.98 Not a collection of little uh things completely unrelated. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1464.61 1465.47 One domain, yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1474.7 1476.51 That's very 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1476.12 1476.63 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1476.63 1477.09 Yeah, sure. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1488.39 1491.63 Well, this is um the 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1494.12 1498.95 question I'm working on. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1508.51 1514.72 And and um, you know, uh error merit err error measures, yes. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1532.32 1533.95 Um so I mean 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1500.56 1508.51 Uh but I mean for instance it should be linked to the other stuff that you've been doing on um call routing for instance. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1514.72 1521 I mean I think I mean I I think that it's possible to draw some sort of relationship between the two, as we were saying. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1499.81 1500.56 Mm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1527.99 1532.32 Given that fifty percent of the words are not actually interesting. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1521 1527.99 I mean maybe if you you don't measure things in terms of word error rate, maybe this sort of information does actually mean something. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1512.14 1512.86 Error measure. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1519.91 1520.32 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1526.95 1527.78 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1527.78 1528 Mm yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1529.47 1529.87 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1531.99 1532.21 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1533.95 1537.27 W 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1541.15 1543.49 Uh yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1535.02 1541.15 Yeah, that that could be interesting to try to merge those two uh things. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1543.49 1543.78 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1545.19 1545.62 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1539.03 1545.19 Well w uh w No, it doesn't solve the problem, but it's f what is it? 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1545.79 1550.26 What I what you are going to do for your thesis. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1550.26 1554.56 I mean as Herve said, I mean basically if you have to explain in four lines 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1539.95 1545.79 M but still doesn't solve the problem of saying what I yeah yeah, sure sure. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1541.86 1543.2 It's yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1550.07 1550.43 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1555.29 1556.36 Yeah, exactly. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1556.39 1560.76 what will be the topic of my thesis, the subject of my thesis. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1562.44 1562.7 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1561.04 1562.44 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1568.93 1574.02 But yeah, in a very broad sense I mean w what you're going to investigate, what kind of uh 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1566.38 1568.93 I mean because this we actually don't know. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1562.43 1566.38 And it is something that is not just saying I'm going to do uh this this this and that. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1565.35 1565.49 Mm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1572.55 1573.84 Yeah, and I um uh 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1589.44 1598.5 But if you want to do with uh s like certain something with the speed and all those things together then it's a different scenario. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1620.66 1623.69 That part is also there. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1601.01 1602.98 Someone may work on some other problem. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1585.62 1589.44 But as long as uh it is okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1574.23 1583.64 S see that is going to tell us uh something like uh wha the thing is that i uh it it see you can totally go into the text domain and be there 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1598.5 1601.01 Uh you may not want to work on all the problems. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1618.5 1620.66 you can understand very well. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1584.5 1585.62 It can be s no problem. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1602.98 1608.72 But then you you make use of that to extend your work in some. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1608.72 1618.5 And uh and as I also t it depends like also like I think if uh boss is interested in working in both speech and text 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1583.64 1584.5 you know? 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1575.72 1576.96 If I interpret correctly. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1598.13 1598.38 Hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1622.79 1623.11 Sure. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1624.6 1626.51 Are they are interested in that or no? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1625.88 1626.98 No, the boss. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1626.98 1634.51 Like have a it's like instead of saying like you should like work on both side, you know, the text and the speech aspect of it. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1634.51 1636.26 So yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1644.22 1653.98 that can be presentation where you have a s a relationship between speech, between things that are said and uh some textual documents some way. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1635.92 1644.22 Then uh one basic thing I suggested even thinking about I mean is exactly this stru all these scenarios that can be a meeting,
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1646.18 1646.5 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1677.84 1682.46 So a relationship between two channel that provide some kind of information. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1664.17 1668.36 indexing or annotation or whatever, meta-data extraction. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1668.36 1677.84 And if you want for example this little work uh about seeing when the slide channel is background and foreground is not beginning of this kind of thing. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1656.45 1664.17 Why not try to to to to study this relationship, to improve this relationship, to use this relationship for um mm whatever it is,
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1659.13 1659.41 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1659.59 1659.93 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1675.87 1676.29 Mm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1676.72 1677.02 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1679.9 1680.25 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1679.93 1680.32 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1693.03 1701.29 I think there needs to be one sort of extra higher goal above that so that you can motivate future research. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1682.51 1693.03 I think I think it's maybe an interesting test scenario and we know that you're sort of basing something around speech and and text. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1692.73 1693.01 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1697.55 1699.26 Mm-hmm, yep. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1699.26 1700.82 Yeah, that's what what is missing. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1701.3 1702.69 Sure, sure, sure, sure. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1698.64 1699.18 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1699.18 1700.69 Sure. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1700.69 1701.3 Sure. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1730.87 1735.75 the words are no way are going to help your recognition anyway, A. S. R. . 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1702.52 1714.93 Uh w one thing interesting is what we came up in the discussion also you about telling that uh detecting such scenarios where there is no relation between the slide and the person talking 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1714.93 1718.36 that may be one good starting point for you actually. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1718.36 1730.87 And then at that point y uh you detect something like that and then you show something like uh what you are saying that i if there is uh if uh there i if it is out of discussion,
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1710.43 1710.93 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1716.96 1717.28 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1758.39 1762.87 But then here it comes that there at some point there might be a correlation there. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1755.9 1758.39 Because you say there's no correlation now. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1741.86 1755.9 But uh if it is uh if it is related to the sli what he is giving a presentation on the slide then you show the your A. S. R. if you detect this even then you can show that how where you can really help or not help. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1736.23 1741.86 But if it is more on the um the slide information is not going to help you. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1758.35 1758.74 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1797.88 1799.31 We say everything with that. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1799.31 1802.92 And probably we, not a native English speaker, we use even less. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1788.7 1794.05 But on average, you know, linguistic research shows that on average the people use five hundred words. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1771.95 1777.93 most of the words you use most of the words you use are not really correlated to that. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1781.64 1786.47 And apart of uh native English speakers we have a very limited vocabulary in general. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1762.34 1764.47 No no, be careful. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1777.93 1778.64 Are simply words. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1795.52 1797.88 And we say everything uh yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1764.47 1771.95 For the recognition in general there is no correlation in the sense that even if you're talking about what is on the slide 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1794.05 1795.52 That's what we have a disposition. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1786.47 1788.7 So we tend to use always the same words. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1778.64 1781.64 And consider also that we all speak English here. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1765.83 1766.18 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1773.85 1774.24 Hmm 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1773.91 1774.42 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1778.21 1778.4 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1781.39 1781.78 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1785.53 1786.01 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1786.34 1787.23 Yeah, this was 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1794.63 1796.06 So okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1795.52 1797.13 For English it's especially low. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1797.13 1797.4 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1795.04 1795.52 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1837.81 1843.52 At that point, I mean, a little improvement of that, it becomes a big improvement. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1830.06 1837.81 In that case the only words that really are important are those words that appear on both slides. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1817.81 1823.9 So maybe it's not enough to justify uh an effort to improve the recognition. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1823.9 1830.06 Then you can change of task and use a task, the task we were mentioning about the back channel or foreground channel. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1843.52 1847.66 I mean maybe in terms of recognition it's zero point five percent. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1803.32 1812.21 So that's gives an idea of why basically in terms of recognition it doesn't really help because you always use anyway the same words. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1812.21 1817.81 And a few occurrences of words that are there in terms of recognition make one, two percent. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1847.66 1851.09 But in terms of that task is maybe twenty percent. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1811.43 1811.67 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1811.65 1812.14 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1817.71 1818.11 Mm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1821.08 1821.44 Oh. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1823.3 1823.64 Speci 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1823.75 1824.09 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1825.58 1825.98 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1829.99 1830.34 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1832.55 1832.91 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1835.97 1837.56 The th sides and the talk. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1837.14 1837.55 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1843.87 1844.4 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1847.06 1847.45 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1869.26 1874.18 But I mean essentially you've actually sort of included the information from the slides in the language model. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1858.39 1863.98 So I mean perhaps if you had slides and and presentations to do with something that was off topic,
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1863.98 1869.26 you didn't have you hadn't seen any prior data, then you might see a bigger contribution as well. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1851.5 1858.39 Well another thing you have to remember is these models have been tuned to include AMI data. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1850.93 1851.5 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1851.39 1851.8 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1858.03 1858.31 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1865.03 1866.08 Like another mic. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1866.44 1866.63 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1866.74 1866.96 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1869.72 1869.93 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1878.45 1881.92 Any uh in any case they are simulation, no real data. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1875.94 1878.45 I mean we are using data that are fake. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1874.34 1875.94 That's another interesting point. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1884.76 1886.43 I mean they are pretty much artificial. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1883.17 1884.76 I think I've seen those slides. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1881.92 1883.17 And especially the slides. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1881.68 1881.97 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1887.06 1889.89 Okay, they're pre pre prepared. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1886.57 1887.06 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1889.89 1890.23 Okay. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1889.78 1890.98 But but not pre-prepare. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1890.98 1891.45 But 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1889.14 1889.78 Exactly. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1897.2 1899.25 The word you are going to present. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1892.38 1897.2 The AMI dat the AMI data what that like that only most of the time you knew they had the word. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1889.29 1892.38 Th yeah, most of the most of the time you have the title to do, no. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1899.25 1901.32 Everyone is presenting the same set of slide. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1889.7 1890.1 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1895.35 1896.93 Yeah, but 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1903.61 1904.48 That that's what I mean. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1912.2 1914.31 Sometimes people really go through. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1900.55 1903.61 Yeah, I yeah, I mean uh everything is pretty much artificial. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1904.48 1909.46 So you mention for example this uh fact that sometimes uh speakers tend to read. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1909.46 1912.2 This is especially true when you have bullet list, huh. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1914.31 1921.21 It didn't happen in the data simply because uh uh it was not the same people prepa uh exactly. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1921.21 1922.14 Ah? 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1922.14 1928.65 So for example it will be possible in any case because the Herve's infrastructure is ready and now we are going to collect the presentation. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1928.65 1930.44 There maybe we can see 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 1901.55 1901.73 Uh-huh. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1904.59 1904.96 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1910.05 1910.81 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1920.82 1923.51 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1918.53 1920.82 It's not there. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1930.46 1931.61 What about M. L. M. I. ? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1934.71 1935.99 Audio is very bad, right? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1935.99 1937.67 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1937.67 1941.02 uh one single channel or at least a closed channel collection, no. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1931.61 1934.71 W the one we collected last year. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1932.55 1934.58 Y the audio quality though. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1935.9 1937.48 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1934.58 1935.9 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1934.06 1936.14 The audio is is is very bad. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1936.14 1937.88 I I thing is really 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1941.24 1947.12 You know, that was collected m a little bit like this without uh too much care. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1953.88 1962.2 But basically it was made without any specific um,you know, without thinking we want to recognize, just to have them. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1962.2 1966.16 So the especially the audio channel is absolutely awful. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1951.08 1952.78 It was really good to do it. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1952.78 1953.88 It was very good. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1947.12 1951.08 It was it was uh a personal effort of Mael that decided to do it. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1947.88 1948.97 Okay, okay, okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1951.8 1952.48 It was good. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1952.48 1953.71 Tha tha tha that 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1952.73 1953.82 Was good to yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1956.9 1957.96 Uh okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1964.66 1965.03 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1965.4 1969.49 So they are is there are still using that uh desktop microphone or what over there. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1969.49 1969.81 Or 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1969.38 1969.9 Ah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1969.9 1974.66 Yeah, they had like uh y uh y they, you know, they had this set-up with the uh the microphones. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1974.66 1979.23 So someone every it there was one microphone shared between every two people. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1983.76 1992.26 uh f it was it was meant I think they they chose that lecture theatre possibly with the idea that it would be good for collecting data. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2004.79 2006.21 So ap 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1997.35 2004.79 But I th I think the, you know, the H. C. I. part of it didn't quite work out to how they planned. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1979.23 1983.76 But they had deals with people forgetting to turn the microphone on, forgetting to turn it off 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 1992.26 1997.35 I mean I uh I'm sure they could have probably had University of Edinburgh host it or whatever. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1974.92 1975.33 Uh 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 1978.87 1979.72 Ah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 1992.28 1992.65 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2002.21 2003.66 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2002.5 2002.92 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2005.27 2006.21 That's fine, yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2004.58 2005.27 Okay. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2013.68 2018.49 Because at that point there is no interaction between humans and capture. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2005.8 2013.68 Uh that's uh that's that is one of the reason for example why which uh mark we point pretty much on slides as a mean of indexing. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2018.49 2025.96 Because whenever you have microphones that you have to move, it's it's it becomes complete uh really 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2018.09 2018.54 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2023.42 2024.59 Yeah it's a 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2023.02 2023.42 It's a. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2032.38 2037.32 I mean any any audio captured during that period is i is rubbish. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2037.32 2043.99 But there's no sort of system that's really built to d to be able to say when you're you're capturing that. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2024.15 2024.84 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2024.84 2029.56 Um it is I mean it's same as us putting on a the headphones and whatever. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2029.56 2032.38 I mean even that minor thing. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2037.49 2037.71 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2040.39 2042.76 Yeah, I understand. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2042.76 2049.15 Okay, so now there be uh would be some time wh what is we should be getting a time recording system, right? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2049.15 2053.11 That uh uh uh so 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2056.71 2057.73 There will be this. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2049.17 2051.35 We are building this slowly. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2053.01 2056.23 I mean is is is taking time for the material and so on. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2051.35 2053.01 I mean it's it's unfortunate. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2056.23 2056.71 But yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2054.05 2054.46 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2055.56 2055.83 Mm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2056.23 2056.54 The 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2057.86 2058.4 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2057.87 2059.38 Uh what will that incorporate? 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2059.38 2063.02 Will it incorporate like uh an S. M. A. and uh 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2071.1 2076.52 And we are thinking to use uh lapel microphone, you know, this this thing. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2062.6 2069.73 Uh it will be one camera pointing very general but just for display purposes essentially. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2069.73 2071.1 One uh microphone. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2081.35 2083.87 And to slides through the projector. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2076.52 2081.35 And so that potentially helpful hopefully helpful to to do recognition. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2069.09 2069.39 Yep. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2074.35 2074.96 Lapel. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2075.04 2075.38 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2079.88 2080.73 Should be okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2082.41 2082.78 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2081.26 2082.41 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2089.55 2093.39 I guess that's quite a that's a quite a bi big deal for setting up the recordings, I guess. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2084.37 2084.78 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2084.78 2089.55 So no no uh microphone arrays or anything like that. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2089.92 2090.57 Wo 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2097.23 2105.31 First of all we are trying to do something that can be easily the the the idea is really it's something that you take you bring somewhere else and it works. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2118.36 2122.51 But there are other input uh lines open. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2105.31 2107.21 So it must be as easy as possible. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2113.44 2116.27 So some way you can add as many input as we want. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2092.62 2097.23 Let's say that uh in any case uh w well there are two reason. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2107.21 2113.44 But in any case I mean the device we are doing has input channels. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2116.27 2118.36 So we are dealing now with three. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2093.17 2097.03 No, it it's it's uh quite a bit, yeah, problem, to do that kind of thing. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2105.29 2105.5 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2106.98 2107.21 Yep. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2105.32 2106.98 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2115.26 2116.27 As you want, yep. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2119.88 2120.48 Mm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2121.96 2122.38 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2142.78 2146.98 uh uh ye uh yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2146.98 2147.66 Uh yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2129.21 2137.44 Suppose there's like the the white-board or whatever, the presentation is over there, the speaker is more probably is going to this way or that way. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2122.83 2129.21 Yeah, but probably we were the f you know, the post uh the the thing is somewhere projector. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2140.8 2142.78 Probably one or two. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2137.44 2140.8 So probably you you may not need a very big microphone either. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2150.82 2159.94 you'd you'd have to the the AMI recognition system that we have now is either for these microphones or for the microphone array. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2147.67 2150.82 Wh uh the I mean I'm just thinking from practical perspectives 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2159.94 2162.05 There's no lapel system trained for instance. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2169.48 2170.26 But 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2142.53 2147.67 Yeah, but let's pretend that it's not going to happen in any foreseeable future. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2162.05 2169.48 So I mean that in itself, it would I mean you'd have some fun training some more speech recognition models. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2157.86 2158.25 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2159.98 2160.25 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2167.19 2167.63 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2200.55 2209.65 It's more realistic and um yeah, probably it can help go in this direction of saying well let's see what happen between speech and slides. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2184.52 2192.73 Uh and especially for this kind of problem I think it can be a much more useful kind of data because there is real presentations. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2194.8 2200.55 You know, it's it's it's uh y n it it it it's exactly. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2170.53 2174.33 I mean I was mention the the lapel microphone mm just like this. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2192.73 2194.8 I mean is it's reality. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2167.21 2170.53 Although at that point we can use this. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2174.33 2180.48 But if you tell me this, that's very interesting because at this point we can use this kind of things. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2209.65 2210.13 Uh 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2180.48 2184.52 But I don't why why not uh so there will be other data, their test data. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2175.27 2175.69 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2179.1 2179.54 Hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2180.08 2180.67 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2180.67 2181.36 Yeah, that's 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2179.17 2180.08 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2193.11 2193.48 Sure. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2195.12 2195.33 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2196.98 2200 It's what you should be using for this type of task. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2205.26 2205.71 I think 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2210.3 2210.86 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2220.12 2224.39 I mean the AMI ones were a lot better in term of that than M. four or whatever. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2224.39 2225.84 But still. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2210.86 2220.12 And every time we d we generate a new corpus and try to carry out new research we discover sort of areas that are too controlled, you know. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2242.32 2246.34 Okay, I'm just thinking whether or not there an are any other sources, I mean maybe CHIL data? 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2239.3 2242.32 Do they have slides or anything along that I don't think they would. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2225.84 2233.35 I mean es especially when you get into higher level sort of uh interpretation, it's yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2233.35 2235.1 Oh well. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2235.1 2239.3 I'm uh I'm just curious, do the like the ICSI meetings, do they have anything other than the audio? 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2219.31 2220.02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2223.16 2224.77 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2224.77 2225.07 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2228.48 2228.78 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2231.87 2232.71 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2235.13 2235.5 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2240.92 2242.42 No the they the the the 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2241.61 2241.9 No. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2251.34 2253.62 Y yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2253.62 2254.1 No no no. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2247.52 2251.34 But it's a l uh well yeah, it may be interesting for your problem, I think. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2245.81 2247.52 CHIL may be interesting for you. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2251.34 2251.69 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2256.02 2256.58 So 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2252.07 2256.02 'Cause it's I think it's gonna be more like the TAM type situation. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2259.56 2264.89 The the their collection is much uh uh like they have uh R. T. N. s and all those thing. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2269.71 2274.4 And I uh is it through n n uh L. D. A. or something. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2256.65 2257.73 Yeah, it's more like TAM. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2257.73 2259.56 But uh yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2255.59 2256.65 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2264.89 2269.71 People sitting and uh it's a lec it's a lecture uh a meeting collection. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2256.71 2257.1 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2259.54 2259.71 Yep. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2262.31 2262.64 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2265.42 2266.63 Okay, that is cool. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2268.85 2269.54 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2269.54 2269.98 That's cool. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2273.89 2275.09 I don't know. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2286.17 2286.46 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2275.09 2278.58 But I mean given that it's coming from the same basis as AMI 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2278.58 2286.17 I I expect there has to be some sort of relatively f liberal sort of distribution policy. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2286.59 2291.21 So I guess uh it must be available somewhere. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2283.73 2284.42 Uh yeah, yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2284.42 2286.59 Yeah, it's a it's a European project anyway. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2291.21 2291.56 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2283.81 2284.01 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2291.21 2292.16 You can look at it. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2286.48 2286.73 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2289.21 2291.21 CHIL may be interesting actually. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2286.73 2289.21 So so probably we can yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2300.66 2306.08 So once again you don't see the the complex sort of levels of interaction. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2326.39 2332.15 I don't yeah, you know, in terms of in terms of, say, measuring whether or not they're talking about the slides or off channel 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2306.08 2309.41 I mean uh y uh there's no way of getting around that. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2291.9 2299.03 The one thing about that, and this is something that came up in the last NIST evals, was the fact that it's almost too uni-modal. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2309.41 2314.98 I mean you just have to think of a a task a challenge that is relevant to that type of recording 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2314.98 2319.51 which might mm you might use the same methods as what we've been pr talking about today. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2332.15 2337.02 I mean you might find ninety eight percent of your data is directly referring to your slides in a t in a TAM. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2319.51 2326.39 But the actual sort of what you're trying to measure might need to be slightly slightly different I guess. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2291.21 2291.9 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2299.03 2300.66 You've just got one lecturer talking. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2296.85 2297.12 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2305.44 2305.76 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2309.56 2309.78 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2313.09 2313.41 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2315.28 2315.56 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2317.98 2318.48 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2325.88 2327.37 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2327.37 2327.97 M 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2331.23 2332.19 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2335.54 2336.55 In the text. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2337 2338.85 But only we're measuring one third. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2338.85 2339.56 It's not 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2339.77 2341.16 That is uh is in TAMs. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2363 2366.04 It's more specific on uh meetings. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2366.04 2369.42 Certainly not for uh for presentation. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2341.31 2348.07 At least in no, I'm uh talking now about um the meeting. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2349.34 2352.34 On presentation it it should be one hundred percent, yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2353.84 2362.02 No, that is just something that in my opinion uh with the work that's been already done is something we can get pretty quickly. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2352.34 2353.84 Yeah yeah yeah, of course. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2369.42 2373.86 And it represent a nice task that can be measured, that is clear and 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2362.02 2363 It's an interesting task. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2348.07 2349.34 How presentation, of course. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2344.9 2346.15 AMI meeting. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2350.31 2353.89 So you might wanna be doing something else basically, yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2345.31 2350.31 Yeah, but I'm I'm meaning if you move on to these corpora, yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2347.94 2348.42 Mm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2359.83 2360.13 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2361.8 2362.03 Yep. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2365.73 2365.98 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2368.48 2368.71 Yep. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2373.91 2374.36 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2382.77 2383.35 So 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2376.33 2382.77 you're probably going to be using or learning about the same techniques that you'll need for doing other things along these lines. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2374.36 2376.33 And uh and at the s and at the same end of the day 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2392.67 2394.11 No, that doesn't make any sense. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2379.46 2380.55 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2378.17 2379.46 Mm yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2386.33 2392.67 So it's it's uh but of course not going to be it's not going to be a kind of thesis about this. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2380.55 2386.33 Uh i in terms of actual recognition can of course uh help. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2394.11 2394.67 I mean 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2380.09 2380.34 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2382.19 2382.6 Mm yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2387.69 2388.07 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2388.48 2389.17 Well but uh 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2392.89 2398.88 It well it's it's to make a proposal basically for your yep uh 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2394.69 2395.52 It's a first step. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2398.26 2398.91 S 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2398.54 2404.1 That uh, in a sense, if you want I mean that that's at least the way I see the that list I have made for my own thesis. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2418.5 2428.96 And detecting when it is uh are two little works that some way fit in that very general uh framework. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2409.96 2413.83 So interaction between uh speech and slides, cool. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2413.83 2418.5 And then you see how all these things, this two little works, or the statistical independence. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2404.1 2409.96 I mean uh you define that domain I mean which is uh large, I mean which can be very general. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2404.9 2405.42 This n 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2407.07 2407.42 Yep. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2426.17 2426.82 Hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2429.29 2429.6 Okay. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2449.16 2460.29 Sometimes people uh im improve is more uh so for example that what that's another thing that fits in that kind of uh mm framework. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2472.08 2474.16 That can be applied in many 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2446.73 2449.16 Because sometimes people just read. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2466.65 2472.08 in terms of retrieval, in terms of indexing, annotation, meta-data extraction. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2433.59 2436.82 for example one that I really would like to do which is kind of fun. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2430.59 2433.59 Shown from this point of view it n that things mm there are other things 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2460.29 2466.65 And that's interesting in terms of uh I mean first of all again is measurable in terms of browsing,
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2436.82 2446.73 So when you have a bullet list can I click on one of the bullet and get the piece of speech where the guy was talking about that. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2438.62 2438.84 Yep. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2443.26 2443.77 The sp 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2444.64 2445.01 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2446.56 2447.02 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2446.62 2447.21 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2450.07 2451.09 Sometimes it's a lot more. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2448.92 2450.07 Sure. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2449.34 2449.54 Hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2459.8 2460.11 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2459.83 2460.11 Hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2464.38 2464.71 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2468.41 2468.69 Mm yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2471.96 2472.27 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2472.21 2485.34 And we could uh do automatical uh speaker rating if there are good speakers or bad speakers depending if they just read uh 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2478.68 2481.98 Well, you'd uh sure. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2485.37 2488.67 That's something that can uh be done for example. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2480.28 2485.37 That would be you know, that uh that's uh that's something uh you're maybe joking now. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2483.69 2486.04 That's that's a yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2485.26 2495.71 At l at at least spot if they forget to talk about something and it won't let them continue on to the next slide until they've gone through all the points. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2488.23 2489.32 That that they have. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2488.65 2489.05 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2526.76 2537.48 The speakers that take a time which is too close to that, they are not good speaker because some way uh um they're talking too fast. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2511.94 2512.84 It's very wrong. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2520.14 2526.76 If you have a certain number of words on your slides you need a certain amount of time to read them. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2512.84 2515.21 You have to look at the audience. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2515.21 2516.25 This is one. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2510.54 2511.94 Those are bad speakers in general. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2505.66 2510.54 I had the the the sp there are speaker that never look at the audience. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2493.58 2505.66 And uh some way there are parameters that can be measured that tell you that following certain uh criteria uh there is one very easy for example. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2516.25 2520.14 There is for example, and this is something that eventually can be done. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2493.59 2496.01 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2499.1 2499.34 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2499.27 2499.75 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2509.26 2509.55 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2511.55 2511.82 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2513.98 2514.3 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2514.19 2514.52 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2526.12 2526.53 Mm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2534.69 2536.56 They're talking fast. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2536.56 2543.76 I had a problem I like find the answer for my own. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2543.76 2544.25 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2535.13 2535.48 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2537.1 2545.4 Well uh that that was just through sheer weight of content though. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2536.05 2537.1 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2540.27 2542.54 They are not uh 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2540.58 2541.05 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2541.05 2541.51 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2555.94 2563.86 It's a bit uh of having difficult and uh I would not um go that much in that direction. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2544.25 2545.52 Yeah, they are not giving you the time. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2563.86 2569.67 I mean it's uh but you know you know uh 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2545.52 2555.94 And there is a certain number of things that can be uh some way detected and measured that tell you whether the speaker is actually respecting some form of uh uh. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2549.11 2549.21 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2555.66 2555.75 W 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2557.36 2558.85 B yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2563.33 2563.53 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2567.81 2568.04 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2566.07 2567.81 Maybe possible someday. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2569.96 2572.42 What happens if there's a figures coming on the slide? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2568.51 2569.96 So what about the figure things? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2572.42 2573.75 So what do you want to do with that? 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2574.36 2576.49 Figure, you know 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2575.11 2582.64 As in five, six, you know number where where the graphemic yeah, well I yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2575.32 2576.48 On the s uh-huh. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2578.17 2579.37 Either stop it 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2594.33 2596.82 It will be not uh maybe. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2589.27 2594.33 And basically one thing for example we're trying to do and and again, this is something that can fit, huh. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2601.71 2606.81 Uh based on the kind of graphic object you have, so tables, questions,
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2606.81 2611.98 uh figures, plots, et cetera the side one for example, it is a result. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2582.37 2589.27 Well, that's for example with uh we submitted a project with J Jean-Marc um to use that thing as meta-data. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2596.82 2601.71 But but uh if you get the project, et cetera in any case it's something that Jean-Marc and me we want to do. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2579.19 2581.4 Tables, number. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2581.4 2582.37 Ah, visual things. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2580.81 2581.08 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2586.32 2586.78 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2588.48 2589.01 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2605.67 2606.25 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2612.73 2613.28 Okay. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2622.67 2624.09 When it is an introduction. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2613.65 2622.67 Try to get so that's again in terms of structuring, browsing, structure and retrieval, okay when it is a result. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2622.48 2622.86 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2624.75 2625.23 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2625.77 2626.22 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2626.54 2628.94 When it is uh 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2655.41 2656.06 It's not okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2629.46 2637.45 Although I remember discussing this like um 'cause uh when Neville was working on his his stuff, which was just based on the slides,
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2643.51 2646.65 you know, because you wanted to s you wanted to have the topic segmentation. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2650.39 2655.41 Because anybody generally who writes the slides yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2656.93 2658.26 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2656.06 2656.93 It's true for me then. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2646.65 2650.39 And I said well just look at the the headings. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2637.45 2643.51 if um he he asked me all you know, could I pre-segment the slides for him uh,
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2629.52 2629.9 Okay. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2637.59 2637.79 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2644.08 2646.16 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2646.16 2646.39 Uh 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2649.94 2650.71 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2650.59 2651.92 Um 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2652.21 2655.6 Usually in products and resources. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2688.03 2690.63 You don't find the same title in the slides. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2681.26 2688.03 So my outline is something like introduction and experiments, the results, conclusions. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2661.76 2664.95 Each one of us has an idea and then it's not true at all. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2677.53 2681.26 But many other people, and I am one of those people for example, are much more general. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2669.83 2677.53 If the p if they put in the outline uh let's say title one, title two, then you'll you find title one, title two. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2654.22 2655.35 It's not really true. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2658.59 2661.76 Yeah, that's o it's one of the most funny thing, I mean you can see when you work in this thing. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2655.35 2657.07 It's not really it's not really true. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2664.95 2669.83 I mean s some people actually are stick very carefully. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2657.07 2658.59 Yeah, yeah, it's not really true. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2657.28 2657.62 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2677.34 2677.61 Yep. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2681.46 2681.8 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2683.79 2684.03 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2696.64 2696.74 Yep. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2690.85 2692.1 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2692.64 2695.11 Uh it yeah, it depends, yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2695.11 2696.64 That's a stylistic thing as much as anything. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2692.1 2692.64 Okay. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2710.68 2721.06 In the corpus of the TAM two thousand four, TAM presentation, twenty five percent of the presentation have no outline at all. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2693.61 2699.36 It's it's really a different style of uh there are people that don't put, for example, outline. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2699.36 2705.57 We were uh for example in the um corpus of M. L. M. E., so the one is on the demo. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2705.57 2710.68 Fifty percent of the presentation have no outline. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2705.18 2705.44 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2710.11 2710.42 Hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2716.16 2716.43 Mm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2722.28 2725.06 Which uh whether or not that's a good or a bad thing. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2725.06 2725.98 It depends on the talk. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2725.98 2727.09 Yeah, presentation, yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2720.91 2722.28 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2724.14 2727.28 That's that's uh what yeah, uh w it is. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2734.95 2737.95 Other kind of presentation probably no. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2732.8 2734.95 Well in that case that majority has. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2737.95 2739.76 I mean it's it's an habit we have. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2727.28 2732.8 And basically that's that's uh and again, the outline is typical maybe in scientific presentation. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2739.76 2744.32 But um you but again uh 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2732.59 2732.97 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2737.15 2737.44 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2746.65 2747.41 the structure. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2741.02 2746.65 Something we're taught at university from a very young age. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2751.66 2755.02 Nothing true, is is everything is chance pretty much. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2755.02 2756.33 So uh that was on 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2746.32 2751.66 I mean unfortunately th n there is nothing true. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2751.09 2752.04 It's all subjective. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2750.28 2751.09 Yeah, yeah, sure. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2755.05 2755.32 Hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2758.07 2758.9 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2758.9 2759.34 Okay. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2758.83 2759.76 on possible work. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2759.88 2765.05 Okay, so what are you going to do between the data when you collect and this? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2775.11 2776.29 So what is the next step? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2767 2768.73 What do you want to do now? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2768.73 2775.11 By the time you get the data it's going to take another two months if I am right, the whole capturing system when it is going to come. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2773.87 2774.17 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2778.59 2791.69 Well uh did trying to really determine the um the um uh subject of something for my proposal I mean. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2799.27 2804.6 It's one year, right? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2795.4 2799.27 Yeah, yeah, to submit, yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2792.15 2795.4 Yeah, you have to submit it in like two months also again. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2798.51 2799.96 So really um 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2795.06 2798.51 Yeah, aro around February or March. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2799.03 2799.2 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2801.04 2803.08 It's quite strictly imposed now. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2800.51 2801.04 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2806.96 2816.3 Uh also with the th thinking maybe turning this uh work into publication, the one about the for sure. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2802.51 2802.9 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2802.9 2806.96 So to find something for that. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2815.21 2819.88 For sure. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2814.44 2815.21 Not maybe. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2815.33 2817.1 For sure. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2817.1 2818.9 You you need it bad. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2841.46 2843.9 And uh that could be cool to to finish it. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2832.61 2839.36 'Cause I was talking with that uh about that to Herve uh since I was uh I will recycle this poster for I. M. two,
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2839.36 2841.46 you know, about uh about this. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2820.2 2827.31 And uh also uh uh well that uh depends a little on on on you. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2827.31 2832.61 But try to finish with the um measures and the call routing. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2843.9 2849.44 Maybe fuse it with uh Ian's work and uh do a journal paper he was suggesting. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2829.63 2832.37 Call routing where. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2832.37 2833.08 That's inte 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2832.37 2832.78 Ye 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2845.67 2847.21 I think we should yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2848.66 2849.52 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2849.52 2863.91 After the after the hard drive crash we took the time to actually rebuild the the the system and actually train 'cause originally we sort of had the idea of oh we'll use a recognizer that's been trained on a large amount of telephone speech data and that should give us a better result. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2877.17 2887.01 It's simply that it hasn't been um chunked it or or segmented in a way that's typical of speech resources. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2863.91 2867.82 I just as a contrast, I trained one specifically on this data. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2887.01 2895.29 in terms of um you can have like uh a two second utterance, uh credit cards, and then twenty seconds of silence coming after it,
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2901.14 2904.41 But a lot of the normalization that we use 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2895.29 2901.14 which in which when you f when you first think about it, you just think oh silence, whatever, nothing will happen. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2867.82 2877.17 Results were almost identical um which says to me there's something wrong with the data rather than and it's nothing serious. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2851.92 2852.43 This is yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2854.21 2854.92 Uh h oh. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2862.1 2862.38 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2873.29 2873.6 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2885.39 2885.69 Mm yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2891.16 2891.54 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2894.32 2894.92 Mm yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2894.88 2895.42 I see. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2897.21 2897.77 Uh uh 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2904.23 2904.95 I know, I know, I know. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2903.95 2904.23 Yeah yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2903.53 2903.95 I know. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2904.67 2907.69 Uh yeah, C. M. S. C. C. V. N. . 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2907.69 2914.3 Uh so w we need a decent end point detection system running before we can we can we can do that. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2914.3 2922.73 And we're converging on having one now just in in sort of tandem with this development of this web based recognizer. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2941.29 2945.26 But also it should actually affect the recognition on the speech segments as well. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2937.56 2941.29 'Cause you get that immediate benefit that you don't have any insertion errors. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2922.73 2926.2 Um but of course unfortunately all these things take time. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2926.2 2933.22 Um but I I think we should see a decent sort of improvement then. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2933.22 2937.56 Not just in terms of no longer having recognition errors whenever silence appears. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2911.1 2911.72 Uh yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2912.46 2913.14 I see. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2913.5 2915.05 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2917.48 2918.01 Oh. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2915.05 2917.48 Even if little bit of. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2920.2 2920.65 This 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2922.73 2923.73 Uh ye yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2927.36 2927.64 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2930.28 2932.42 No no, I think you yeah, it's uh it's huge. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2932.42 2932.88 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2952.85 2954.77 so better to have a kind of silence detection. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2954.77 2958.81 So something that really takes this and they recognize only that uh that part. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2958.81 2962.47 This will improve the phoneme uh recognition rate. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2944.68 2952.85 And so essentially say well as there is this silence time which tend to be even more than than how it is 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2951.08 2952.86 It it it's non-determinist. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2952 2952.17 Th 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2952.68 2953 The 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2955.52 2955.89 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2958.09 2958.52 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2962.47 2968.41 Mm that's the hard p oh I might uh given the trouble we've had with this corpus I can't make any promises. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2962.8 2964.77 Yeah, that's what we expect to 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2968.01 2977.27 And at that point, even the uh call router that uh Jean Jean-Yves has uh made can improve uh its performance. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2964.76 2968.01 That's what it of of course, of course, of course. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2976.49 2977.88 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2977.88 2979.18 Exa that's the intention there. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2976.75 2978.45 That's the intention, yep. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2978.91 2982.77 And it can be used after uh tool for the measure work. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2982.77 2983.26 Uh 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 2983.06 2989.69 So so you're so what you are saying is that you you noticed that when you um tried other features and uh 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2983.21 2983.89 Sure, sure. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2983.28 2983.37 Sure. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 2989.31 2990.34 Mm ye 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3006.24 3010.29 And the results from that were almost the same as what we got for the C. T. S. model. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2998.94 3001.78 I think they th there were thirteen thousand in the entire corpus. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2989.76 2992.5 We trained the system just on this data. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3004.1 3006.24 So use that for acoustic training. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 2992.5 2998.94 Like there were there were six thousand utterances that weren't used for uh the call routing side of things. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3001.78 3004.1 Six t half of them roughly we've thrown away. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2995.68 2996.77 That we got. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 2996.77 2997.01 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3002.04 3002.38 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3008.49 3008.78 Mm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3013.66 3014.22 Or 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3009.27 3013.66 Because and initially it was a s Nuance, trained on Nuance, uh no? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3013.37 3013.89 It i 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3012.66 3013.37 No, no, no, no, no. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3013.45 3020.31 But one can imagine a commercial system uh that that that s Steven Cox used from Nuance probably had all these things,
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3023.38 3025.21 So 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3020.31 3023.38 built in end point detection, et cetera, et cetera. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3012.99 3013.45 Y yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3021.33 3021.65 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3022.5 3023.35 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3026.95 3032.37 So maybe like we had to do this end point detection and probably a little bit of final filtering. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3036.56 3043.35 But the still the reason with the the they had like what are the systems we train on databases are they are chop neatly. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3053.89 3058.31 But uh here it's not like that you know like uh-huh. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3023.91 3026.95 Surely they should they should have had that actually. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3047.81 3053.89 They are they are j they they chopped so neatly for the it like custom made database. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3043.35 3047.81 That there is not too much silence beginning, not too much silence at the end. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3032.37 3036.56 And then I think you should be pretty much converging to the system. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3025.03 3025.44 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3032.1 3032.38 Mm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3036.12 3036.37 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3043.66 3044.07 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3046.8 3047.58 Then oh yeah yeah yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3047.78 3049.15 I know the problem. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3047.58 3047.78 I know. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3045.68 3046.8 Sure, sure. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3056.56 3067.28 And there's also just things like tele uh receiver noise at the beginning and or at the end of the and I mean these these are things you can get rid of if it's a 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3055.85 3056.56 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3057.13 3057.82 I see. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3057.82 3058.19 I see. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3056.53 3057.13 I see. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3061.88 3062.91 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3062.91 3063.97 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3062.88 3063.22 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3066.33 3066.9 I see. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3066.9 3067.89 I see the problem. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3072.8 3079.08 Or you and he can uh we can try to use uh France Telecom's uh approach actually. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3079.08 3087.63 And that um uh uh they they have this front end which uh uh which which can do a spectral. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3106.41 3112.82 Uh not running, I mean to say p probably uh he should run it or uh like we can ge help him to run it actually. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3091.68 3095.01 Part f part from basis it can give. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3099.84 3101.25 And probably you will have to run it. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3101.25 3105.06 Will give you the idea that is it okay like? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3095.01 3099.84 So somethi we can just yeah, we can just run it quickly and see. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3087.63 3091.68 And plus it can give you a voice activity detection. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3067.91 3072.8 Like one thing is like we can do this begin and end detection, as we said. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3066.86 3067.91 There are the several things. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3105.88 3106.41 No no no no. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3105.06 3105.88 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3112.82 3114.92 Because at some point he has to get into 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3071.67 3072.06 Mm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3087.52 3087.96 Yep 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3094.89 3095.66 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3095.66 3097.74 We can just run some generic yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3091.03 3094.89 Mm okay, this is f okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3104.36 3105.35 Well I don't mind running it. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3106.46 3107.06 So 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3105.35 3106.46 I've got all the scripts set up. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3116.12 3116.36 Uh 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3119.34 3120.38 I'm losi 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3116.62 3118.82 I'm not not sure it's. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3118.82 3119.34 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3116.93 3119.33 Well I'm not I'm not sure I see the point actually. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3119.33 3119.91 Uh 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3122.37 3125.44 But probably uh he should run it I mean to say. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3120.96 3122.37 We have all the scripts. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3116.94 3120.96 I mean to say I I mean to say that it's okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3122.4 3122.88 Mm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3127.46 3127.96 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3126.68 3127.46 I don't know. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3127.96 3130.44 Whatever, I don't know thing th I don't know whether that a 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3127.99 3128.64 It's a 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3129.35 3130.86 Run run run what exactly? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3131.17 3133.44 The all these experiments probably 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3132.74 3134.09 I don't know whether that's a 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3133.53 3137.69 For the the the call routing itself or the recognition uh the phoneme recognition? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3140.68 3143.61 Uh for to make it faster we should ru it run maybe. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3147 3147.86 Uh yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3135.28 3140.68 Uh the they are uh the scri because up to uh probably maybe we shall do mm it yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3143.61 3147 If we run f we ourself it it's very fast. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3146.9 3154.27 'Cause I mean we've up until now uh you haven't been running any recognition on and neither did Jean-Yves on that on that data. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3146.12 3146.9 We might as well. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3152.91 3153.11 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3152.95 3153.52 No. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3153.52 3154.08 No. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3154.08 3154.35 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3154.46 3164.52 I have all uh Jean-Yves's uh scripts and uh programs for performing the call uh routing I think uh starting from the phoneme sequences. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3153.83 3154.46 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3154.49 3154.89 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3163.01 3163.64 Mm okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3163.63 3164.08 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3165.62 3165.82 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3165.73 3172.29 No, but I mean to say that if you if you if you if you if you give him the scripts and ask him to run, uh the 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3171.01 3177.15 Oh sure, but I mean the scripts are so automated, it's just a matter of sitting uh uh submitting a job to the cluster and 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3176.53 3176.85 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3175.95 3176.53 Uh no. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3176.85 3179.15 But it's Uh 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3177.97 3180.41 Yeah, I I know that I don't know how to use the cluster. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3191.11 3195.15 Artem should familiarise himself with the A. S. R. systems or whatever. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3187.5 3191.11 I mean I I I I know you're saying. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3181.53 3187.5 That'd it'd be like uh half an hour's work in a day to run the recognition scripts. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3179.59 3180.63 I don't I don't see the point of that. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3195.15 3195.62 Fine. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3202.99 3203.45 I mean 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3180.63 3181.53 I don't mind running it. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3195.62 3202.99 But I don't uh I d I don't think this is a point that's worth sort of worrying about at this stage anyway. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3180.87 3181.05 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3193.05 3194.49 Yeah, oh yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3199.7 3200.1 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3204.07 3206.62 Yeah, if it's just running a script I don't know if it's 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3205.38 3213.53 Well 'cause I'm I'm sort of assuming that that we're gonna have so an end point detection regardless of this working on this Nuance corpus. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3213.53 3214.03 So 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3216.18 3218.54 That's and we need it for AMI plus other thing. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3212.41 3216.18 No no no no, I the end point system is different thing, no? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3218.54 3222.23 And so but the I am to all saying yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3222.23 3223.74 I I am. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3211.56 3212.41 Yeah, that uh-huh. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3218.87 3221.55 We need it for um the online demo. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3221.55 3223.8 For uh all these things, yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3217.85 3218.87 We need it for AMI. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3223.89 3227.3 But this is basically detecting speech and no non-speech. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3226.86 3231.12 It's it's a lot more difficult than you would think. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3227.48 3230.8 It's n it uh no no no, it's not speech non-speech. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3230.8 3236.4 Uh uh it's uh it's uh it's yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3236.36 3237.23 Ah and uh 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3230.01 3236.36 It's this uh problem I hear every time on the speech meeting how do we detect speech and not speech. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3229.36 3230.01 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3235.64 3238.2 Well, it's speech and any and any other class of sound. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3238.2 3239.48 That's the problem. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3239.48 3241.89 It's 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3239.5 3243.68 Any anything nonsense or else it beeped. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3238.47 3239.5 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3239.06 3240.72 Or oh okay. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3239.87 3241.41 Mm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3243.88 3244.31 And is 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3244.14 3245.62 It's not just speech and silence. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3245.62 3248.3 It's speech and and okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3257.7 3261.41 And this is what everybody sort of claimed the problem was solved with years ago. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3248.88 3250.62 If it was just silence it'd be easy. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3261.41 3261.63 But 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3250.62 3257.7 But uh um and in controlled places you can't just assume it's it's, you know, any energy below a certain threshold. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3246.56 3248.88 And any other class, yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3247.69 3248.61 It's not silent. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3248.61 3251.32 It's uh you can say that's very yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3256.97 3257.37 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3259.71 3260.08 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3266.43 3272.49 I mean detect the speech from non-speech, it will be a little revolution, no, in the 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3261.82 3266.43 But who really can do uh when somebody will really be able to do that,
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3268.64 3270.29 Well, I mean this is once again a 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3281.35 3289.46 So I mean the the only sorts of noise you're gonna have to deal with uh is is is hiss or impulsive I would say. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3272.36 3273.04 Yeah, sure. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3273.04 3275.39 But I mean this is once again a very constrained task again. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3275.39 3281.35 I mean it's it's it's you you're almost assured it's only gonna be a single speaker on the microphone. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3289.46 3291.12 Or or that would be a good start. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3279.96 3280.22 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3289.48 3291.08 Breathing. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3292.26 3295.41 No anyway, so we okay, so we'll finish this call routing stuff. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3291.08 3292.26 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3305.94 3307.39 Mm yeah not done that yet. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3288.24 3289.48 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3307.39 3307.89 Tried 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3297.55 3305.94 So we'll k because I think uh it it it has not been even submitted outside also the work what Jean-Yves did yet. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3285.79 3288.24 And it can be it can be anything. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3295.41 3297.55 What do you say all thi this is okay with you, right? 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3304.92 3305.41 No, no. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3310.67 3312.09 So the idea was good. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3312.09 3321.62 I think, yeah, with a better uh phoneme recognition rate definitely it could uh improve also the the call routing performance. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3305.88 3310.67 Basically because it was not at uh at a level that could be anyway. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3305.37 3305.88 No no. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3309.89 3311.83 Uh yeah, he still yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3316.88 3317.11 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3323.12 3326.02 Um you haven't heard from him I take it either? 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3327.89 3328.17 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3319.34 3321.64 yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3326.02 3327.89 No. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3328.17 3330.01 Well it'd be nice to get the thesis I think. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3333.86 3334.73 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3321.64 3323.12 It was showing that. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3330.01 3333.86 There's a sort of just a research report sort of basis for this. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3334.73 3335.08 But 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3325.75 3326.93 Nope. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3326.93 3328.86 But we can we can find. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3327.1 3327.75 Uh-uh. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3337.54 3339.3 I mean this should should be have all details 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3339.3 3347.6 so it should be relatively easy to at least this is the last news I had and then I can try to get him back. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3332.44 3332.81 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3332.81 3333.31 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3333.31 3334.73 Yeah, yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3334.73 3337.54 But we can some way find a guy. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3347.6 3348.74 Uh 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3340.31 3340.74 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3343.96 3344.72 yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3346.76 3351.98 apply some pressure. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3358.92 3360.39 S slow. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3350.72 3352.99 So yeah, it it's pretty much good time also, no? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3357.11 3358.92 Probably you should start, I think. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3352.99 3357.11 And he c he can and uh when do you intend to start writing the proposal? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3360.39 3361.65 Little bit start thinking. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3349.87 3350.72 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3358.93 3367.5 Yeah, well this is basically in my three uh main jobs uh proposal uh um this. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3372.71 3373.68 Because you 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3366.06 3368.29 No no, you you should not wait till the end. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3368.29 3370.45 That's what I mean to say. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3370.45 3372.71 Uh yes,. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3368.84 3372.18 Uh n no it should be looking towards the start of next year basically. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3384.61 3396.82 And even uh a first uh uh submission using this work um will make things clearer for me uh writing them down and f for it will help I think for that also. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3369.28 3370.35 Ah yeah, yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3372.73 3384.61 But uh uh uh shouldn't make it clearer before on the on the on what uh I I will write. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3370.35 3372.12 Yeah but yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3372.12 3372.73 Ah yeah sure. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3374.19 3376.69 The is it so I mean you should 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3377.5 3378.28 Because it 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3395.05 3395.41 Okay. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3396.02 3408.27 going very pra pragmatic uh there is a submission uh deadline for example thirty one December for conference on multi-media and expo where I think these two little works on 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3395.84 3396.02 No 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3395.71 3395.84 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3397.96 3398.33 Mm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3402.69 3402.89 Mm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3402.95 3403.29 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3405.68 3408.67 Uh. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3408.67 3410.08 Yeah, it can go there, yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3405.94 3407.37 Okay, which is 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3409.78 3410.1 Mm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3415.52 3417.06 But um 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3410.96 3415.52 And it's nice to get some feedback on I mean that feedback will probably come after your proposal possibly. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3410.2 3410.96 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3410.33 3411.88 So it can be 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3410.5 3415.21 See 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3415.08 3415.39 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3415.33 3416.07 No, no, no. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3426.21 3426.92 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3426.92 3427.29 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3416.07 3418.82 I think it's uh it's good if he submits his pr proposal. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3418.82 3422.83 As a research report you put here, submit it for the conference. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3422.83 3426.21 It's quite good for the proposal directly. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3423.47 3424.94 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3425.67 3426.26 Exactly. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3424.94 3425.67 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3425.36 3425.69 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3425.81 3426.92 It's as a proposal. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3426.92 3433.69 Because as far as I understand this work on the phoneme anyway still takes some development time in the sense that uh no? 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3455.19 3455.92 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3432.72 3433.09 No 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3449.55 3455.19 We have to sort out the bug kind of thing and see how reliable is this end point detection for us. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3448.58 3449.55 So that is the thing. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3440.76 3447.63 you know, like to sit out and say uh one converge to one approach and then just do without that yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3433.09 3440.76 I think uh we we may have to like it can have a uh it's it's kind of like uh uh maybe take like uh uh two or three days,
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3447.63 3448.58 And probably yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3443.41 3443.98 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3447.4 3447.99 Yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3444.81 3447.4 N yeah, sort out any bugs or whatever. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3445.75 3446.15 I see. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3450.61 3451.05 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3462.48 3464.99 So yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3454.38 3462.48 I I I'd prefer to go back to the C. T. S. models I think as well 'cause I think I think they did work a little bit better. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3453.58 3454.38 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3454.49 3455.08 And 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3456.76 3456.98 Yeah. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3457.53 3460.29 Uh yeah, I think uh then we can go back to C. T. S. actually. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3465.06 3473.72 You are you have just to to decide uh, yeah, what what what uh what you want to work first and and and finalise. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3473.72 3477.92 I think you can really start finalising mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3461.8 3465.06 Anyway the good news is that there are results. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3471.93 3472.29 Yep. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3471.94 3472.29 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3480.61 3485.94 And since uh we cannot start immediately with the measures, I think that's the best thing to do. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3474.39 3474.74 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3474.74 3480.61 Well I think uh first uh this submitted and this will help for the proposal. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3478.47 3478.82 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3484.19 3484.54 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3486.53 3486.89 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3490 3492.21 So you wanted to talk something more than that. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3494.41 3498.05 You wanted to talk something different also. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3505.22 3508.9 No, I was just looking this. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3487.55 3490 And uh yeah, so that is this. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3486.6 3487.55 Okay. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3498.05 3499.67 No. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3492.21 3494.41 Well we obstructed you with that. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3503.1 3505.22 And then I say I don't remember. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3508.9 3514.71 Okay uh we are not out of time, you know. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3499.67 3503.1 Or maybe another meeting. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3495.03 3498.1 Mm well no. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3498.1 3503.09 Well for me it's I think we uh it's fine. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3500.95 3502.16 Yeah it's okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3503.94 3504.72 Oh okay, sorry. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3508.55 3514.7 Gonna have to s Have this AMI corpus linked in no time. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3501.98 3503.94 Hayes is another one isn't it? 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3504.72 3508.55 I was like 'cause I saw you sli I saw you looking at your watch before, and I like wow. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3514.77 3519.34 Yeah and I think uh that will be exactly one hour and uh uh fill the tape. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3521.76 3522.42 Ah so I was right. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3519.34 3521.76 Uh the tape is sixty minutes. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3517.22 3520.19 Yeah. 
IN1016 H01 MIO031 3518.61 3522.14 So the tape is ta tape is at the end. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3520.48 3523.62 Yeah, yeah, it's happened uh it happened with my friend. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3537.76 3540.39 There is some problem, it has got stuck somewhere. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3548.79 3551.7 forty, forty one is but see, he has already. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3529.46 3537.76 So I said there's some problem with yours uh your uh uh the way he uh put the roll inside. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3523.62 3529.46 Like uh he was taking pictures pictures pictures and it was going thirty seven, thirty eight, forty even. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3540.39 3548.79 It can never go to forty one, forty Yeah, I uh uh thirty seven, thirty eight is fine. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3551.7 3554.2 Don't listen. 
IN1016 H03 MIO050 3554.2 3554.68 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3520.9 3521.56 Oh okay. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3529.66 3530.02 Ah yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3537.31 3537.66 Uh-huh. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3543.16 3545.38 Uh not normally, yeah. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3545.38 3548.66 It could go to thirty seven, thirty eight. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3548.66 3549.17 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3545.53 3545.92 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3551.18 3551.32 Mm-hmm. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3552.59 3554.72 Okay. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3551.52 3552.59 Yeah, we've been told. 
IN1016 H02 MIE034 3554.72 3555.08 Fine. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3552.3 3553.32 Yeah. 
IN1016 H00 MIO104 3553.32 3553.65 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 7.81 9.19 Okay. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 12.49 14.34 Well, the building is too small for our group. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 9.19 12.49 So as you guys know f, ISSCO is too small. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 16.67 18.8 Uh it's gonna be the building across the street. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 18.8 21.68 And we're actually moving in three weeks. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 38.82 42.17 And they want to know where we're gonna do all this by November second. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 21.68 30.95 But the problem is that the administration wants to know who is going to be in what office in the new building and where we're g we're gonna put things like the printer,
IB4001 H01 FIE038 14.34 16.67 So we're moving to a new building. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 30.95 33.83 the fax machine, all the big equipment. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 33.83 38.82 And the catch is that they have the final approval of where we put people and equipment. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 47.52 52.35 And since we don't really have any other time we have to make these decisions today. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 63.78 68.59 Um there's two views, either of the old town or the mountains and the rooms have various sizes. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 68.59 72.98 There's two three people rooms, five two person rooms which are on the corners of the building,
IB4001 H01 FIE038 72.98 77.86 so you actually get windows on two walls, and two one person rooms. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 42.91 47.52 So that means basically next Tuesday. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 52.35 59 What we're getting is nine rooms for a maximum of eighteen people, which is okay, 'cause there's only fifteen of us. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 59 63.78 And all the rooms have windows luckily, so there's no fights about who gets a window and who doesn't. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 91.28 97.24 Um you can see the bathrooms, the elevators are sort of further down the hall. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 110.53 116.12 And the equipment that we have to put somewhere are like I said the photocopier, which is really big,
IB4001 H01 FIE038 84.41 91.28 The courtyard, because we're on the sixth floor, you can't actually go out to it, but it just means that the windows look out onto open space. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 103.14 110.53 All of the windows open, you can get out onto the terrace just like we can in our normal building. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 78.61 80.94 That's pretty much what the building looks like. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 97.24 103.14 The purple bar at the bottom, sort of on the right is the mail-boxes. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 116.12 121.69 the fax machine, which is not so big, and the printer, which is relatively big. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 80.94 84.41 Um and then you have the number of people per room. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 122.24 126.12 Each office has a white board, a bulletin board and a coat rack. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 137.91 142.72 and by small I mean they're about that tall, and one sort of hanging shelf. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 142.72 146.91 So we don't get the bookcases like we have now, but just one shelf that's attached to the wall. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 133.32 137.91 so like the n the ones that we have now, um a small filing cabinet with three drawers,
IB4001 H01 FIE038 126.12 133.32 No cupboards like we have in the current offices, and each person gets their own chair, their own corner desk,
IB4001 H02 FIO093 140.05 140.24 Mm-hmm. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 163.21 168.83 Whether we want to do it by rank, or by project, or 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 148.41 158.01 And the people that we have to place, uh you can see the list there along with their position and the project that they work on. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 158.01 163.21 And I guess the question the first question is how we want to organise people. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 180.71 185.49 there's another group who's gonna be working on the same plan later this week. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 185.49 193.56 And then Andre and I have to do presentations for the university administrators on the second. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 170.75 176.99 I don't know, put all the P. H. D. students together, all the professors together, that sort of thing. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 176.99 180.71 So the idea is that we come up with a plan. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 193.56 198.08 So we have to come up with a plan, possibly, if we have time, a presentation 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 203.05 203.49 Okay? 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 198.08 203.05 a quick presentation with arguments for why we think our plan works best. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 204.12 204.59 Alright. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 204.23 204.53 Mm-hmm. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 205.9 211.21 So, anyone have any ideas or 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 212.84 213.4 I guess 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 214.12 226.67 Uh do we know if there will be a lot of people coming across the hall in terms of security stuff if we can I mean my idea is to put the photocopier and the fax in the hall. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 227.48 232.74 Um I think it's the security is sort of the same as it is in the current building. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 226.8 227.48 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 232.74 238.77 So as long as the things are physically attached to the wall, so they can't be removed, then it should be okay to leave them in the hall. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 227.61 228.32 Um. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 232.78 233.13 Okay. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 235.25 235.55 Mm. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 236.87 237.17 Mm-hmm. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 235.99 236.87 We can put it. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 236.84 237.45 Okay. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 238.5 238.82 Okay. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 243.28 247.23 It's just a question of whether you are printing sensitive documents or n whatever. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 244.29 244.53 Mm. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 246.25 246.46 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 246.44 247.47 Mm yeah. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 249.38 251.68 So we only get one printer for fifteen people? 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 260.7 264.74 I think Susan has a personal printer, Gisella has one maybe. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 252.48 260.7 Um well we get one sort of networked printer and then I think some of us have personal printers. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 261.57 261.87 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 265.27 266.45 Yeah, and that's it. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 267.18 267.37 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 270.35 273.18 In terms of equipment it's sort of the same thing as we have now. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 267.37 270.35 But no-one else gets their own printer. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 265.89 267.18 I can't remember who else. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 268.82 269.02 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 272.38 272.77 Mm-hmm. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 277.67 278.19 Um. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 288.77 294.83 and then go off and think about it over lunch and then come back later in the day with sort of more specific proposals 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 294.83 297.45 as to exactly where to put people. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 282.88 288.77 So what I'd propose is that we sort of discuss various concepts without getting into specifics 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 288.24 288.62 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 291.2 291.64 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 294.33 295.48 Mm yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 295.1 295.55 Okay. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 299.08 301.32 Does that work? 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 316.25 316.57 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 301.32 310.19 Oh, and on the map the little half-circular, well, quater circles are doors, which I'm assuming you've figured out, but just in case. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 310.19 316.25 And there's just the one room that actually has two doors going into it, the the three person room on the right. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 306.43 307.8 Mm-hmm okay. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 307.05 307.75 'Kay sure. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 307.75 309.17 Yeah 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 313.88 314.97 The three person room? 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 317 320.19 And do we need a room like a reading room or Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 314.57 317 rooms, yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 319.74 320.83 Yes, yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 320.83 324.13 A lot of people were saying that they wanted to have a reading room. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 324.85 325.61 That's a good idea. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 329.3 334.28 And we can, because like I said maximum eighteen people in those rooms and there is only fifteen of us. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 334.28 340.61 And I don't know if you've noticed, but two of us are only here half the time. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 345.93 346.42 So 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 325.45 329.3 So we should leave a space for that. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 340.61 345.93 So Martin and David um are half the time at the E. P. F. L. and half the time in Geneva. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 326.05 326.38 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 329.2 329.66 Okay. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 333.68 333.9 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 340.81 341.03 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 339.9 340.81 Mm. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 348.68 351.58 sort of keep that in mind, I guess, when 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 350.45 350.8 Mm. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 352.9 354.26 you are doing the actual planning. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 361.63 362.1 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 368.34 376.16 I mean, it's completely different work so we can deal with administration and decide something for administration and then 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 362.99 368.34 The first split we can do is between administration and reasearch uh. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 368.27 368.46 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 377.13 377.69 for the other. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 378.35 378.68 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 377.16 378.35 Mm-hmm. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 379.88 384.66 But Gisella's really the only administrator. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 384.66 385.01 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 388.99 395.54 because I was thinking uh Gisella is quite, I mean, Gile Gisella's work is quite noisy, because it's secretary so,
IB4001 H00 MIO092 382.53 383.25 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 395.54 399.12 yeah, lot of phone call and stuff like that so Yeah,
IB4001 H00 MIO092 399.12 407.63 so you won't share an office with Gisella unless you are fifty per cent and not the fifty per cent Gisella is working, which is another condition. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 383.25 388.99 But at least deal with that particular situation and then see with the other,
IB4001 H02 FIO093 382.7 383.78 Ad administrator. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 386.62 386.85 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 395.94 396.21 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 397.68 399.23 And she's always moving around. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 401.56 401.72 No. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 406.13 406.48 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 407.91 412.2 Which I don't know if we can assume that there isn't going to be any overlap between them. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 411.06 412.18 Yeah mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 421.51 427.2 So I don't know, maybe we can decide that Gisella is having one of the one person room. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 429.27 429.66 Yeah. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 427.22 429.27 Yeah, I w I would suggest that too. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 428.12 429.01 Yeah, that would be 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 430.07 431.1 maybe convenient. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 431.76 432.06 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 432.06 438.22 Either that or maybe put her in a two person room with the equipment or 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 431.96 432.44 Mm. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 436.02 437.09 With someone 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 438.43 441.76 Yeah, and with someone who is who is fifty pro percent. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 439.25 443.04 Like with the the photocopier, or Maybe not the photocopier, but the printer. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 439.56 439.75 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 446.18 446.58 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 446.58 449.15 But at least the thing we know that Gisella is gonna be alone. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 449.4 450.14 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 450.12 451.21 Yeah, okay, mm-hmm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 450.52 451.88 Or with equipment, but 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 452.52 455.79 And not with a hundred percent staff yeah a staff worker. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 454.34 454.97 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 453.25 454.34 humanly alone. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 457.01 461.57 Okay, so th that's a one person room, but we don't know how how big they are. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 463.02 469.48 I mean, Gisella has this funny uh typing uh thing. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 469.48 469.86 Yeah. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 461.57 463.02 Or it's hard to tell. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 468.97 472.18 I mean the rooms aren't tiny if you look at the this 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 467.46 468.97 Yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 468.52 470.09 Typing machine. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 471.31 472.73 Computer, fax. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 472.54 472.85 Yeah. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 474 476.43 So probably sh she should get the fax, right? 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 477.92 481.45 Yeah, yeah, that makes sense to put the fax in there. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 478.09 478.43 Yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 478.44 479.3 Yes, yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 483.1 484.31 Uh. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 486.15 487.97 So. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 511.65 514.88 And then I think the main discussion we should have is 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 516.5 524.04 um if we want to make group of among the same project or among the same title 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 525.09 525.41 Yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 525.15 527.82 Or uh yeah, professor assistent or uh 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 528.09 529.49 Or Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 525.94 528.09 or Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 529.49 531.85 Couple of professor and assistant or 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 531.66 532.65 Or uh yeah 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 536.85 541.96 That's more a conceptual question than a practical question. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 539.82 540.05 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 553.54 553.72 Right. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 558.28 561.71 but you also sort of interact with other people on a more regular basis. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 542.77 549.54 Well, the third option is just completely mix everyone up, which some people say is better sort of for a group environment 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 549.54 553.54 so that you are not stuck only with the people who are working on your project. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 553.72 558.28 So if you share an office with someone who's on a completely different project, you find out about that project 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 546.87 547.12 Yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 547.09 547.44 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 552.7 553.02 Yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 553.22 554.13 Yeah, that's true. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 554.66 555.04 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 556.44 557.61 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 557.61 557.9 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 560.6 561.7 Mm yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 560.6 562.12 Mm mm. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 574.48 575.76 I don't know if it's uh 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 569.11 574.48 because you have the meetings or people come and ask you discuss things maybe. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 563.41 569.11 But still I find it's quite easy if you are with people who work in the same project in the same room 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 580.94 583.97 That's that's true. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 577.41 579.97 for other people who is not working on the same project. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 583.97 584.53 Yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 579.97 580.94 Yeah, that's true. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 579.96 583.58 Yeah, but we will have this reading room, which can be 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 578.89 579.96 Yeah. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 587.85 589.83 Can reserve it for meetings. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 583.38 587.85 'Kay uh will it be dedicated for reading and for studying or can we have meetings there. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 583.83 584.27 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 596.14 598.8 but if it's empty, then sure you can use it for a meeting. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 599.88 605.95 But I think if someone's already reading in there, it's not fair to go and kick them out just because you want to have a meeting 'cause 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 598.8 599.88 There's nothing wrong with that. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 590.55 596.14 I think it's not a question of reserving it, because there's other rooms at the university that you can reserve for a meeting,
IB4001 H00 MIO092 592.87 593.17 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 595.52 597.04 Yeah, for a real meeting. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 598.2 600.02 You can u mm-hmm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 599.16 599.65 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 602.65 603.01 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 605 605.41 Mm. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 606.42 617.75 the the problem is if you have to go across the building and it adds some overhead every time you want to have some short meeting and discuss some issues. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 617.75 620.82 Or maybe we shouldn't call it reading room, but 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 605.59 606.42 Well 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 614.17 616.14 Meeting about the project. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 615.41 615.84 No. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 619.07 621.38 But if you're having a short meeting you don't really 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 624.02 628.75 You just kind of go to someone's office and go down for a coffee or whatever. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 622.82 624.02 make an appointment for it. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 624.12 624.72 Yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 627.09 627.55 Mm-hmm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 627.73 628.64 Mm yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 631.3 634.78 'Cause there's still the cafeterias that you can use for informal 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 636.16 642.02 The other thing we should take into account is if you receive student or not, because 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 634.98 636.16 Mm yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 642.5 642.76 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 649.3 655.13 So it means you get time where a lot of people come along and talk and So it's maybe 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 643.96 649.3 Marianne and I interact a lot with student and we have reception hours and stuff like that. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 646.34 646.92 Hmm. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 645.79 646.34 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 649.11 649.4 Mm-hmm. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 654.59 656.7 And the other Marianne too. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 653.96 654.59 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 656.7 657.79 So there's three of you. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 656.07 664.88 Yeah, so maybe it's not really nice to have to share an office with somebody like us, having a lot of social life and 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 662.36 666.42 People coming and going. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 664.34 669.56 Well, but then you either share offices with each other, which doesn't really solve the problem 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 669.56 672.97 because chances are you are not gonna have office hours at the exact same time. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 667.17 667.46 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 673.13 673.58 Mm. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 673.67 674.52 Yeah, we don't. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 674.16 676.8 So you're still going to have 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 675.22 675.62 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 678.12 685.77 Like unless you get individual offices, I don't know if there's an easy way to find a solution for that. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 680.45 680.9 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 684.22 684.72 I dunno. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 683.26 684.22 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 690.21 694.85 'Cause even if each of you share with a professor, then it's the same thing for the professor. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 693.16 695.33 Yeah mm mm. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 694.63 695.49 Yep, yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 696.8 697.01 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 698.92 700.34 But it is something to keep in mind. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 710.93 713.86 Some people come in around eleven and some people come in around eight. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 702.71 710.93 Unless you end up sharing an office with someone where your schedules completely don't overlap, and then you can schedule office hours when the other person isn't there. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 707.65 708.73 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 710.9 711.26 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 714.2 721.27 Yeah, but that's something we can't reasonably assume like that and make plans with that because 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 714.75 714.94 Mm. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 718.78 719.15 No. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 723.51 724.02 I mean, 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 721.69 723.51 No, but you sort of see people's patterns. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 724.51 724.79 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 725.41 731.23 even if it's not always like that, I mean if it's like that, you know, eighty per cent of the time, then 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 726.92 727.4 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 728.85 729.17 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 733.75 736.88 But you're right, we can't make assumptions too much. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 736.55 736.84 Mm-hmm. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 744.51 752.7 So people would like to see uh the office organised by uh by by rank like professors and students and 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 752.95 753.56 I don't know. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 755.29 755.8 I think 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 757.78 761.85 Well, it's up to us how we do it. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 761.85 764.05 I can see benefits of both. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 763.73 764.04 Yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 764.15 765.71 Yeah, it certainly is. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 765.74 765.98 But 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 766.61 772.26 One point I can say by experience, it's really hard to share an office with three people 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 772.26 776.99 because it makes much more noise that only being two in an office. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 777.9 778.08 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 778.08 779.11 Plus the computers. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 780.43 780.89 So 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 779.08 780.43 Plus the computers. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 779.33 780.21 Plus the com Mm-hmm. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 780.81 784.41 And we all know what it's like to have five computers in your office. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 783.43 785.05 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 785.05 795.64 So we might be It might be a good idea to first exclude one of the three person room to be the reading room and not to be necessary 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 799.44 800.45 A working room. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 796.75 799.44 a room with three people. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 799.98 809.46 Yeah, but if there are people coming in, I mean, we have these people working for uh two months, who comes in the summertime or something. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 813.99 815.12 So uh 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 809.46 813.99 I th think we should reserve a little bit space for them too. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 815.65 819.82 Yeah, that's a good point, because if we take the three person room out as a reading room, 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 820.45 821.64 It's quite big 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 823.91 825.35 'Cause it's maximum eighteen. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 820.96 823.91 then everyone has an office, right? 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 826.79 831.99 So take away three spaces and you're down to your fifteen, and you're right, if we do have a stagieur, whoever,
IB4001 H01 FIE038 831.99 837.71 who comes in, then we have nowhere Well, we can put them in the reading room, but that kind of defeats the purpose. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 828.07 828.65 Oh yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 828.65 829.68 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 829.68 829.98 Oh yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 831.81 832.17 Okay. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 832.82 833.13 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 835.35 835.59 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 837.27 837.71 Yeah yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 845.91 850.81 And leave a spare space for or 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 839.64 845.91 So the other solution is to say, okay we use a three person room, but only with two person each time. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 847.7 847.96 Mm-hmm. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 848.96 850.3 Yeah, that's a good idea, yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 849.36 851.29 For soemthing, yeah, mm. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 850.66 851.04 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 853.67 854.83 But avoiding 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 856.5 861.58 having three person full-time in a same room could be a good idea, I think. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 859.67 860.02 Yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 861.16 862.89 Yeah, that's yeah, certainly is. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 862.02 865.97 Or again find people who don't work the same hours. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 866.1 866.43 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 867.26 869.64 It doesn't completely solve the problem, but 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 868.98 869.3 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 874.16 877.63 So for the reading room we will have a two person room. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 879.18 880.47 Everybody agrees on that, yep? 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 877.94 879.18 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 878.24 878.84 Yeah, I think so. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 878.55 879.59 Maybe that would be good. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 878.98 879.17 Okay. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 880.23 881.95 A one person'll be too small anyways. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 882.24 883.82 How about how about this room? 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 882.39 882.93 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 884.44 885.45 The one on the bottom? 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 884.49 885.08 Which one? 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 889.28 892.12 It has three windows so I think it's uh Two? 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 887.65 889.28 With a view to the mountains, yeah. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 885.47 887.65 Yeah, at the bottom in the middle. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 887.4 887.65 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 887.55 888.53 With the mountain? 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 891.04 892.32 Two. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 892.32 895.34 Well, which W There's three two person rooms. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 893.56 894.74 O one two 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 896.04 897.13 The the middle one. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 897.81 898.87 That has two windows. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 898.85 900.25 Yeah, it's 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 900.4 901.33 Which is fine. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 901.33 902.71 And still a big room. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 900.84 901.06 Two. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 902.23 904.9 Big black stripe is the windows,
IB4001 H00 MIO092 904.9 916.97 not the thin one between the big But what about the d the other one which has only one windows, but in the courtyard it maybe more quiet. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 904.77 907.99 Oh, the big Oh. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 907.99 911.01 Ah okay. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 908.66 911.09 Yeah, so I should have explained that. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 918.1 919.57 Yeah, but then you get don't get a lot of light 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 921.14 921.66 for reading. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 922.7 924.33 We have electricity so 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 924.14 927.68 Really? 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 925.35 925.83 I hope. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 928.52 932.72 No it's a question I mean it it's quite noisy outside with the streets and 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 934.7 935.38 That's 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 934.98 936.43 On the sixth floor, I don't know. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 937.67 938.92 Yeah, we are on the sixth floor. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 939 940.99 I dunno, I like the idea of looking out over 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 941.19 944.01 Yeah, if you are if you are reading. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 942.66 943.62 And stop reading. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 941.37 942.66 Yeah. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 942.05 942.51 Me too. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 942.25 943.86 lots of space. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 944.8 945.96 So it's a relaxing room. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 945.93 947.89 Well, I mean that that's the whole point, right. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 947.89 955.33 It's just somewhere to get out of your office and go and do something else for a while whether you're reading or just kind of staring off into space. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 946.81 949.71 Yeah, yeah, no okay. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 950.45 950.77 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 950.74 951.49 Do so Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 952.53 953.74 Mm yeah yeah. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 955.36 959.54 Yeah, and you can look outside of the window if you have a sh quick meeting there. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 959.54 961.83 You know, quick meetings always get longer. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 961.76 963.65 So you have three windows. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 958.58 959.75 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 959.75 961.76 So what about one of the room in the corner? 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 963.65 964.64 It's even better. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 965.04 966.05 Yeah, we could do that. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 965.76 966.41 Why not? 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 966.41 966.67 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 966.74 970.9 But you have less wall to put shelves and stuff like that. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 970.37 970.7 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 973.16 976.48 If you intend the reading room being more a library or 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 979.3 983.86 We have some shelves, like cabinet type shelves for the reading room. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 983.86 986.15 But it's not really intended to be a library. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 986.15 986.81 I mean, we have 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 981.73 981.99 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 987.04 987.35 Yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 988.16 989.95 A library down downstairs. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 989.95 990.24 Mm. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 988.28 990.31 an I. T. library. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 990.31 991.51 Um but 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 989.23 989.57 Mm. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 997.29 1004.05 So one idea might be to take sort of the books that aren't frequently used by people, put them all into that room. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 993.25 997.29 the other idea is to take 'Cause right now we all have bookshelves. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1004.05 1005.17 So it becomes sort of 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1001.09 1001.95 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1001.95 1002.22 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1003.41 1003.71 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1005.12 1007.03 Kind of, yeah, small library. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1006.45 1012.35 a mini-library, but not like a library system library, just go and borrow your collegues' books. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1009.43 1011.07 No no, sure but Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1008.22 1009.43 No no, no no. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1011.8 1012.17 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1019.59 1023.49 So are we all agree about these two person rooms? 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1027.06 1028.46 Corner or not corner? 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1025.22 1027.06 Which one? 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1026.17 1027.95 I don't know. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1029.39 1030.34 I think the middle one. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1030.42 1031.72 In the middle, yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1030.79 1031.52 The middle one. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1031.52 1031.97 Okay. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1031.82 1032.45 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1032.45 1038.14 It's also sort of m central to the layout, so everyone sort of has more or less the same distance to 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1035.75 1035.95 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1034.86 1035.75 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1037.08 1037.5 Okay. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1039.49 1041.51 It's not that it makes that much of a difference, but 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1040.89 1041.33 Mm-hmm. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1042.55 1043.08 Why not? 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1046.58 1046.92 Uh. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1046.92 1050.13 So we can exclude this one to make an office. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1049.46 1049.93 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1051.72 1053.44 Actually what I can do is 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1055.51 1057.31 Or maybe write on the board, I don't know. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1057.49 1059.58 Um actually that's a good idea. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1059.58 1062 J just put it up. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1056.55 1057.49 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1061.97 1063.37 So we have the map and 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1062.98 1063.36 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1069.36 1070.19 So. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1076.29 1079.06 This really isn't to scale, but Oh well. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1082.76 1083.4 Um. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1092.42 1097.13 Um so we've got an office there. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1087.45 1092.42 That's really not to scale. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1088.51 1090.65 It's alright. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1090.16 1091.41 Oh it's g good enough. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1104.72 1106.44 And there's 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1108.33 1109.76 two and one 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1110.02 1110.54 Three, yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1110.9 1112.33 Is that all? 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1111.72 1112.09 Yeah, yeah mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1114 1114.43 So 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1114.77 1116.02 Okay so this is 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1119.34 1121.21 And this becomes the reading room, right? 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1118.99 1119.34 that. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1121.69 1122.14 Okay. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1136.22 1136.61 Okay. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1134.74 1136.22 Is that a mountain? 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1135.66 1136.77 Yes. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1139.04 1140.22 And that an old town? 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1139.35 1140.94 And uh Gisella? 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1142.68 1145.72 Yeah, should we decide also the administration stuff? 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1145.72 1146.33 And 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1142.88 1145.22 We thought a one person room. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1146.04 1146.3 Sure. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1147.77 1151.98 So we exclude the n the thing we are quite sure, and then we discuss the 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1150.72 1150.91 Yeah. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1152.08 1156.72 I was thinking of maybe we should assign Gisella into this three person office? 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1152.11 1152.46 Okay. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1157.96 1162.92 Because w we will probably place the printer next to the mailboxes. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1162.92 1166.89 Then we could have Gisella and the two fifty per cent people sharing the three 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1167.46 1168.09 Person room. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1168.45 1169.05 person room. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1169.33 1173.11 That's really noisy to be in the same office with the administration. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1171.79 1172.58 Well, th 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1173.08 1176.67 But if Gisella works fifty percent and they work fifty percent 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1173.48 1175.14 They're fifty per cent, yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1175.91 1181.9 Yeah, that just imply you expect people to come when Gisella is not working, and that's not really fair if you 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1179.66 1180.16 That's true. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1181.83 1182.16 Yeah. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1182.64 1183.7 Well, I mean it 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1183.11 1185.96 So we can put Gisella in the two people room 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1187.33 1189.09 which is near the mailbox. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1195.08 1195.33 No. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1195.85 1196.52 W yeah we could. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1198.42 1199 I don't know. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1204.34 1205.73 It's uh 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1201.16 1201.61 We could. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1201.61 1204.34 I mean, I don't know how noisy she is. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1203.78 1208.51 I it's just the question, you always have the phone ringing, even if the af even when she's not working. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1204.08 1204.6 But 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1206.15 1206.65 Just 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1206.82 1207.1 Or f 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1207.67 1209.32 Does Gisella have her own printer? 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1209.72 1210.15 Yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1209.91 1211.43 Yes, yes, she does. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1211.77 1218.91 Yeah, but that's that's a good point from Nikos to say that she needs to be n near the mail box and the printer and 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1219.5 1225.86 Well if you put her in in this room here, it's relatively close. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1220.31 1222.17 and the photocopier and stuff like that. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1224.36 1225.05 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1225.05 1227.7 Exc except the door is not really 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1228.54 1230.17 Convenient for her, yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1229.7 1230.4 convenient. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1230.84 1231.24 True. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1235.17 1241.5 No, but I think, if if the main, um how can I put that, the mm 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1248.36 1252.19 If the main reason to put to to choose Gisella's place,
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1252.19 1258.85 is the proximity of the mailbox, it should be a two pe people room and not a three people room. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1262.33 1263.11 It's fine with me. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1260.83 1262.33 Okay. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1261.16 1261.51 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1263.19 1265.24 Otherwise we have a one people room and 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1266.02 1268.64 I don't know how much the proximity to the mailbox matters,
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1273.35 1276.98 It's more the I. T. administration that uses our mailboxes. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1268.64 1273.35 because usually when she's here and she picks up the mail, she actually brings it to your office. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1271.04 1271.36 Yeah. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1272.68 1273.52 Yeah, it's it's not the m 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1274.16 1277.47 No but it's it's also it's also the place of the photocopier. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1272.8 1274.16 Yeah. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1277.54 1278.48 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1278.15 1280.93 And the place where we all pass kind of. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1281.26 1281.53 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1283.01 1283.53 That's true. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1288.02 1290.03 It should be some central place. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1288.47 1295.02 Because if we put the photocopier near the mail box and it seems to be the only place where there is room for that 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1294.28 1294.51 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1299.65 1302.25 'Cause even if you put it into Gisella's office it's gonna be 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1295.67 1299.65 Yeah unless you put it into an office, which is just an annoying, I think. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1297.19 1297.47 Yeah. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1298.47 1299.08 Y 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1299.2 1300.02 Yeah oh no. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1301.25 1302.31 Yeah, no, it's too 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1302.77 1303.87 And it's too big and 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1304.26 1304.98 Yeah. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1311.44 1316.54 Do we agree that the that the photocopier and the networked printer goes next to the mailboxes? 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1310.17 1311.44 Okay, we should write this down. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1312.16 1312.54 So. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1316.31 1317.11 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1317.11 1317.52 Okay. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1316.63 1317.63 Yeah, that's a good idea. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1317.96 1318.5 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1331.19 1337.65 And then we can for the moment put Gisella in this corner room if you agree, I don't know. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1339.25 1340.06 What with 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1338.29 1339.25 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1339.6 1343.32 At the beginning we said that we were gonna give her one of the one person rooms. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1343.56 1343.87 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1345.54 1349.66 But this option of putting Gisella near the photocopier. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1346.81 1347.15 Okay. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1350.26 1350.74 Yeah. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1357.73 1364.43 I mean she is sharing an office right now and I Has anybody heard of any complaints that she's too loud or 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1378.46 1387.32 that's quite uh I mean, that's quite important to keep a spare room in Gisella's office, if we need more staff, but 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1365.31 1368.47 I mean, she is not sharing an office. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1368.47 1378.46 I mean sh we put some trainee in Gisella's office, because there is a spare room, and that's quite imp Yeah,
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1365.86 1367.57 Well, she's Go ahead. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1370.82 1371.98 Stagieurs in there. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1375.61 1377.79 And they are not really in a position to complain. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1386.52 1386.88 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1389.7 1391.78 I wouldn't work in Gisella's office. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1394.8 1395.08 Okay. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1395.8 1400.69 I think it's just a question of work conditions, like if you are a stagieur and you co only coming in for two months,
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1400.69 1405.03 then you can put up with it, but if you're there, you know, for the full year 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1397.86 1398.26 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1402.35 1406.25 So for example now if uh we reserve 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1400.9 1402.35 I it Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1401.78 1402.62 Mm yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1405.19 1413.95 For example, and there is no room in the cupboards for any people except Gisella, because she got lots of paper archives and files and stuff like that. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1413.95 1415.68 So it's really, she needs 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1411.87 1413.05 Yeah that's true. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1413.87 1414.28 Mm-hmm. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1416.16 1417.7 She needs spaces. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1417.7 1418.08 Okay. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1417.01 1417.56 space. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1419.01 1427.12 But we can uh reserve So if you reserve a two people room, we can put uh trainees 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1417.6 1419.01 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1417.86 1418.08 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1427.54 1428.68 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1428.68 1428.89 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1428.28 1430.14 Yeah, in there if they need to go. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1428.58 1431.06 Further on if they are in the same room. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1430.12 1430.46 Hmm. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1431.57 1431.82 Yeah. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1432 1434.57 Okay, so Gisella at this southwest office? 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1434.56 1434.92 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1435.43 1435.56 Yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1435.59 1436.29 In the corner. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1442.74 1444.63 Are you sure it's southwest? 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1444.63 1446.6 I dunno if thi if this map is a 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1446.18 1449.12 South Well, southwest if that's north. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1446.82 1447.19 South. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1453.24 1453.5 No. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1449.39 1452.58 Okay, the map is north oriented. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1452.58 1453.24 Okay. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1452.64 1456.05 No tha Well, I'm assuming that's what you meant, right? 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1450.72 1452.64 Southwest for us. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1456.05 1456.35 That 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1455.77 1457.99 Yeah, yeah, that that one, yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1457.97 1459.33 I don't know. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1455.88 1457.97 Okay. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1458.13 1459.46 But that's southeast anyways. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1461.69 1462.78 That's southeast. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1460.32 1461.69 Southeast, yeah. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1461.03 1463.07 Oh right, yeah, that's southeast, yeah it's 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1462.66 1463.89 Anyways yeah, but 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1463.62 1465.07 This office right? 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1465.07 1466.21 That's. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1464.86 1466.05 Yeah, this office, yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1466.69 1470.59 You know because with mountain mountains and old town it's not No, sorry until but 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1465.22 1466.69 Okay. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1476.35 1480.16 But I just assumed Nikos was talking about the orientation here. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1470.53 1476.35 No, I I'm very bad at orienting where's north in Geneva, I always get it wrong. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1478.36 1480.81 Uh yeah, I was just talking about uh here on the map. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1478.84 1479.17 Okay. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1480 1486.46 No, because sunrise and sunshine is quite uh sunshine, sunrise and sunset is quite also a good um 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1484.63 1485.47 Oh, that's true. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1489.42 1495.49 So wait, we face the old town we face the old town now, and we are facing 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1489.99 1493.7 something to take into account. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1495.28 1497.47 Uh northeast. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1497.25 1497.56 North. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1498.01 1498.77 northeast. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1499.8 1500.46 Sunrise. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1500.72 1502.44 Okay. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1502.44 1502.98 So. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1506.14 1508.36 This is northeast. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1507.92 1508.58 No, east. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1506.47 1507.92 It's east, yeah, east. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1510.64 1512.94 We we have sun in the morning only. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1515.09 1516.11 Yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1516.84 1517.87 When do we have sun? 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1517.86 1525.67 So it does mean that the three piece room which is in the opposite of the northeast is the most sunny one. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1524.15 1524.67 Mm-hmm. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1525.92 1527.4 This one. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1528.51 1530.92 But s 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1528.76 1529.52 Let's say that. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1530.45 1531.8 The three people room or 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1530.61 1533.65 It's it's the one you have of now, you both. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1534.63 1536.51 It's the oven. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1534.64 1535.39 More or less. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1536.92 1538.77 Well, there is a quite a lot of sun. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1538.32 1540.5 You get the sunset then. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1542.53 1543.9 And it's really warm and 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1540.5 1542.53 No? 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1542.59 1543.65 Y yes and no. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1543.65 1545.37 It's, yeah, it's really warm, that's 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1544.77 1546.4 You get lots of sun during summer, yes. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1546.11 1551.58 Do you Uh by the way, is it a six floor building or is there more 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1546.41 1547.79 Yeah yeah, that's true. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1551.82 1552.89 Yeah, we're the top floor. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1553.08 1554.06 Okay. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1554.06 1554.72 So it's warm. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1555.2 1555.31 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1561.9 1566.14 because we couldn't move in the other building, 'cause it was occupied by the other departments. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1556.61 1561.9 It The building design is pretty much the same as the one we have now, we're just getting more space this way,
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1559.4 1560.01 Mm. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1560.01 1560.39 Okay. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1562.23 1562.53 Mm-hmm. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1561.45 1562.23 Okay. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1563.83 1564.18 Mm. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1573.32 1574.97 Okay, good, p so 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1579.73 1582.14 So how many rooms 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1580.18 1580.97 And next. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1583.65 1585.82 and uh how many place do we have? 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1585.91 1589.4 So we have reserved now two two person rooms. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1587.6 1590.2 Actually, why don't I change it on here as well. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1593.48 1595.32 So that's Gisella. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1595.4 1602.7 Yeah, plus one spare place, but really the last place to be used. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1597.79 1598.83 Plus spare, yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1603.3 1604.69 Plus fax. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1605.2 1605.63 Yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1605.97 1606.38 Mm-hmm. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1608.81 1612.5 And then this is the reading room. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1612.88 1613.23 Okay. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1614.84 1615.26 Oops. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1618.9 1619.85 Um. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1623.13 1628.82 Six, eight, fourteen places, which is 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1621.72 1623.13 So that leaves us with what? 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1623.07 1627.02 We got two, three, four, six, nine 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1624.76 1626.64 We got 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1628.24 1630.59 Fourteen places? 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1629.91 1630.93 For fourteen people? 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1632.45 1634.27 For f Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1634.27 1637.54 No for fourteen, 'cause Gisella's already got a room. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1632.63 1633.68 For fourteen people? 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1633.14 1634.24 For fifteen people. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1636.45 1636.69 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1636.66 1636.87 Yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1637.38 1638.04 Yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1638.04 1638.35 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1639.85 1640.72 So we are good. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1640.36 1640.84 T Okay. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1648.83 1649.78 Okay. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1642.35 1648.83 Excuse me. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1649.78 1650.41 Um. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1644.21 1644.74 Bless you. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1651.52 1652.03 So 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1651.99 1653.99 So I'm gonna take Gisella off of 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1660.78 1662.48 I'll put her in grey, I guess. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1658.24 1660.78 that list as well. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1668.31 1672.27 Can we group people by their name? 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1675.09 1677.05 So it's gonna be Mariannes' office. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1672.27 1675.09 I to Marianne. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1675.33 1676.12 Yeah, why not? 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1671.1 1675.33 Marianne, Marianne. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1671.31 1673.16 Alphabetically. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1677.02 1678.52 Yeah, that would be fun. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1677.69 1686.95 Is is any Is there anybody who's not happy with the current situation, so we could try to just keep the same arrangement just on the new building? 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1686.94 1689.06 Yeah, that's going that can be. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1689.06 1694.08 That's boring, but that can be a good idea, but do do we can we do that? 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1694.08 1699.47 Because there is No we can't, because No we can't, there is two 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1687.96 1690.11 That's boring. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1689.74 1690.77 That's boring. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1692.77 1693.37 Can we? 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1695.26 1695.58 No. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1695.56 1696.89 No, we don't. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1697.43 1701.16 We have, we have one extra one person office and 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1701.54 1703.06 And two three person room. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1702.51 1704.24 Two three person offices, yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1704.24 1707.47 Plus we have the two people who aren't there now 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1709.33 1709.64 So 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1708.28 1709.33 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1708.93 1710 that we have to put somewhere. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1712.93 1716.78 We can keep some of the people together that are together now, but 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1716.08 1716.54 Yeah yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1715.07 1716.08 Mm. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1718.2 1719.39 not everyone definitely. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1720.96 1721.64 Okay. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1724.04 1726.94 So, let's start then top to bottom :1 Maggie, 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1728.35 1731.65 Well, why don't we take a break and go off and think about it? 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1728.77 1729.78 Susan,. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1731.95 1732.21 Yeah. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1732.71 1738.79 And then once we have more concrete ideas we can come back and finish it,
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1738.79 1744.89 'cause if we just sit here and discuss, it's gonna take a long time and we're gonna start arguing and get cranky and 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1733.42 1736.32 I think we clear the things a little bit up too s Yeah. 
IB4001 H02 FIO093 1736.68 1737.13 Okay. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1741.12 1741.37 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1743.01 1743.45 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1745.73 1746.08 Okay. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1747.28 1748.55 So let's have a break. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1748.55 1749.47 Save your file. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1747.32 1748.54 Alright so 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1749.78 1749.94 Yeah. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1754.31 1755.18 You have X. P. ? 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1755.59 1755.76 Yep. 
IB4001 H00 MIO092 1757.67 1758.3 That's nice. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1761.21 1762.78 Okay. 
IB4001 H01 FIE038 1759.2 1761.21 Mm-hmm. 
IB4001 H03 MIO091 1763.82 1764.69 So how long is? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1.68 2.65 Okay. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 2.65 11.25 So now that we've all had a bit of time to think about it, um does anyone have any concrete proposals or do we want to just 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 11.93 15.34 go through people and start placing them and kind of discuss as we go along? 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 21.94 24.09 I don't think they are concrete proposals. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 24.82 25.06 Nope. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 25.78 25.9 No. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 25.78 26.45 Not really. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 26.17 33.9 No, it's kind of we should maybe find a method to do stuff. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 33.9 36.81 Like, I don't know, choose one parameter. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 39.31 42.81 The first parameter to choose people to choose where to put people,
IB4002 H02 FIO093 42.81 50.97 like I dunno maybe permanent staff and non-permanent staff, we know that professor will stay for a long time. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 50.97 53.5 We uh we don't know for the other 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 39.31 39.75 Okay. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 50.52 50.79 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 55.43 55.78 So 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 55.49 56.41 Yeah, that's true. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 57.46 60.17 maybe that could be the first parameter to take into account. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 60.17 63.45 Not just to have this dis 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 62.4 65.13 Yeah, give them like the most comfortable offices and 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 64.31 64.67 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 65.17 67.31 Yeah, and have this discussion every two years. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 68.56 68.69 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 69.14 69.69 Because it's, 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 70.72 71.11 you know 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 72.37 73.27 Yeah, this makes sense. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 75.27 85.36 So we can choose where to put uh, I would say, the the the three first one of the list. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 86.48 87.82 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 73.77 75.27 make sense for everyone. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 87.82 90.13 And yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 85.36 86.48 Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 75.8 76.2 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 78.18 79.39 Suzanne, for example. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 83.14 83.23 Mm-hmm. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 83.57 86.99 'Cause a professor, but he's only here half time, so it's sort of a different situation. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 87.82 93.83 And he's a professor at, but not in Geneva, he just does research in Geneva. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 92.08 96.17 Mm and maybe the two other senior Andrei and Nancy. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 96.12 96.41 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 97.51 98.47 Okay, so let's 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 97.66 99.19 And then, yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 102.35 103.14 Um 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 99.69 102.35 go through that first. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 101.01 101.69 Mm. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 107.99 109.67 So what do you think for uh 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 110.93 112.76 Susan and Maggie for example the 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 113.97 115.82 the rooms for one person. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 117.45 119.06 Yeah, that could be an idea. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 118.85 122.97 And for Susan probably yeah, 'cause I think she prefers to have her own office. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 117.45 118.85 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 121.71 122.09 Mm. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 120.91 121.71 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 123.64 123.87 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 125.58 126.88 Any preferences to which one? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 125.23 125.58 Okay. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 124.22 125.23 Um. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 128.18 128.44 Naturally. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 131.69 132.1 'Kay. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 132.1 133.36 I put Susan here for now. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 133.14 133.99 can switch. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 135 136 And then Maggie in the other one? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 136.18 136.56 Yeah. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 136.37 137.13 Yeah. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 137.13 138.47 It's up to them I guess uh. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 140.99 144.22 They're not here so 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 139.46 140.99 No, it's up to us. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 142.79 144.37 They can switch later. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 140.66 142.79 Well I mean they they can switch later. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 140.02 140.66 Up to us? 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 141.49 141.87 Yeah, to 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 142.32 143.14 Which is 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 146.63 147.74 Um okay. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 152.84 154.98 And then 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 155.28 155.97 Pirette next? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 158.99 167.78 Andrei and Nancy do we want to the the question is now is do we want to put the three together or the three completely separate 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 157.69 158.99 So we need to put Pirette 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 158.07 158.19 Yep. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 168.32 169.12 with 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 170.61 171.13 other people? 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 172.57 180.19 I would say not together in a three it's quite a lo yeah, yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 173.48 173.64 Um 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 180.12 181.88 Well, does Andrei? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 175.82 180.12 Well, Pierrette has students and Andrei and don't. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 181.88 184.38 S he teaches but okay. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 178.49 180.02 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 183.77 186.19 Yeah, but few, less than Pierrette. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 181.87 183.77 Some, some. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 182.2 183.6 some. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 185.23 186.2 Just yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 186.58 186.74 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 189.78 190.81 So we have a 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 193.65 199.14 'Cause also if we're gonna put people together by projects then there's no sense to put them together, 'cause they all work on different projects. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 199.24 199.57 Mm. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 201.06 201.42 Right? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 201.22 201.43 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 207.01 212.16 The two people room in the middle which has only one windows, 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 203.14 207.01 Um I just realised something. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 206.04 206.61 Mm? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 212.08 212.25 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 213.5 216.62 it's gonna be pretty hard to put two people inside that room. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 217.65 218.67 'Cause they'll fight for the window. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 219.08 219.26 Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 220.07 221 Yeah, it's quite dark. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 222 223.35 What about moving Gisella in there? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 224.18 230.69 If she's in there half the time, she can have her desk near the window, and okay, she's not near the mailbox, but 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 226.89 228.41 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 228.41 231.48 Except we yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 231.48 232.6 And near the photocopier. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 233.08 238.22 but it maybe more sort of practical in terms of working environments for people. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 238.23 238.45 Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 239.27 240.19 Yeah, it would be nicer. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 242.72 244.14 And what about the reading room? 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 243.3 243.4 Who? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 247.21 251.38 But again, one of the reasons for putting the reading room where it is is so that you have 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 265.76 271.92 it change the plan of the morning, I'm sorry, but I just realised that stupid architect put only one windows. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 249.2 258.62 Yeah, but you I mean uh I think, everybody is supposed to spend more time in their office than in the reading room. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 258.62 265.76 So we might think that it's better to have a more comfortable office than a more comfortable reading room, I don't know,
IB4002 H03 MIO091 255.76 258.79 You think. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 256.28 259.33 Finally, you think? 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 263.42 265.37 Yeah, I agree, it's uh 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 271.1 271.64 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 273.41 274.43 Who built this building? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 274.43 276.73 Do we know that? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 275.51 276.6 I don't know. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 280.26 281.14 What do you think? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 279.67 280.26 I dunno. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 280.82 287.56 So I don't know, we spent quite some time at the last meeting and t to decide this, and now we are just 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 282.99 283.45 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 285.12 287.81 Yeah, I know, but in the last meeting nobody just 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 292.05 293.52 And I think it is one problem. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 288.77 292.05 took attention at this one windows problem. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 293.83 297.45 Of course, but everybody had the documents before, so you could have studied them. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 302.76 303.45 Yeah, m 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 297.45 302.76 So I don't think it's a good idea. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 294.05 295.2 Or what if you put 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 297.52 302.25 Yeah, you too, I can I can say the thing to you, I'm sorry. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 300.2 302.7 You you said that there is electricity. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 307 307.2 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 302.91 307 What if we put the two people that are fifty per cent in that room? 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 305.38 306.04 In the 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 307.95 309.85 That's really welcoming and warming. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 305.54 307.95 The two people? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 310.45 312.14 But they are only here fifty per cent. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 312.35 312.7 Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 312.66 315.97 Well, let's uh how we can uh fill the three person rooms? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 319.95 320.61 Say it again. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 318.75 319.95 What what what? 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 328.69 329.76 And um 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 324.2 328.69 I mean we have now a two three person rooms left. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 319.55 324.2 Uh how we ge who we gonna put in the three person rooms? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 332.49 339.57 No no, but the main problem we have the same number of place and the same number of people now. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 339.57 340.21 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 340.21 344.99 And uh I just noticed that we have this two people room 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 339.79 339.94 Mm. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 336.48 337.25 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 337.25 339.79 Mm, we do. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 338.08 339.72 So everyone has to go somewhere. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 345.7 350.06 W I I I don't mind going into this office. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 345.9 348.64 And you also have one three person room with two windows. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 357.38 360.27 You have to find somebody agree to come with you. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 347.75 357.38 You don't mind to have okay, so, Nikos and you have to find yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 360.27 362.96 And it's not a question of you it's a question of windows. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 346.28 347.59 with only one windows. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 347.59 347.75 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 351.34 352.72 Nikos volunteers. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 351.35 351.95 No. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 355.69 357.22 Who you're taking with you? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 368.5 371.15 Who would you put with you? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 371.15 372.64 Let's put a fifty per cent so 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 373.31 374.15 Oh, why not? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 377.74 379.81 Well 'kay so let's put David in there, yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 376.64 377.74 Okay. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 379.16 380.8 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 376.69 379.16 From the David. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 383.78 384.99 You will learn to know him. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 380.8 383.78 Do you know David? 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 380.78 380.96 Yeah? 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 382.2 382.35 No. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 386.66 386.9 Okay. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 383.78 386.66 You'll meet him. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 388.2 389.92 So I'm just gonna 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 392.31 394.43 make a list on here of who we have. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 399.4 400.1 keep talking. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 400.47 401.85 So David and Nikos, it's done. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 404.38 407.69 And with um Pirette uh 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 406.2 408.97 Uh Pierrette, uh Andrei, Nancy? 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 404.75 406.2 So, where were we? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 408.97 409.99 Andrei and Nancy. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 415.24 419.74 Maybe we can put Pierrette and her t two two P. H. D. students into one room? 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 422.07 422.71 Yeah, why not? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 423.99 425.79 How many P. H. D. student does she have? 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 426.7 428.26 All two Mariannes or 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 429.94 430.47 And me. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 434.61 439.26 So we need a 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 431.61 434.61 And you too, okay. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 442.23 442.82 Um. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 433.69 438.37 Yes, I'm doing a P. H. D. . 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 438.97 442.23 Officially. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 438.37 438.97 Yes. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 438.04 439.68 with Pierrette. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 447.33 452.53 Okay, so David, Nikos, Gisella, Maggie and Susan are done. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 459.38 459.58 Okay. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 460.77 464.82 So and can you put the the map again, so we s see what happen. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 462.81 462.98 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 465.54 466.29 Um. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 469.32 475.18 That's that might be a good idea to put Pirette with two P. H. D. student, whoever they are. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 474.12 474.28 Okay. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 474.28 477.31 Should we be nice and give them three windows? 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 477.27 484.3 Um yeah, mayb maybe the other one would be more convenient if we are all working on the same project. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 484.3 485.42 So we are close by. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 484.6 485.23 Which one? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 486.19 486.3 Okay. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 487.23 487.55 Okay. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 490.52 491.74 So Pirette and 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 492.83 493.68 the two Mariannes. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 494.12 496.58 That won't get confusing. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 496.19 503.31 Yeah, I'd like to have a view to the mountains, but well 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 500.68 504.49 Okay, so wha put me with Marianne and Pirette, it's alright. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 502.13 502.16 Mm. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 505.68 508.96 And we put Marianne in front if she want to be 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 510.44 510.59 Here? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 510.14 510.44 Where? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 510.8 515.36 No, on the room on the opposite oh no, that's the old town view. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 512.61 513.28 Oh, here. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 514.75 514.91 Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 515.8 517.99 Well that's that will do, but uh 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 516.6 518.63 Would have to be here or the other three person room. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 529.1 540.29 And that's good, because there are Pirette, Marianne and Nikos they are on the other side of the corridor, so it's yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 528.77 529.1 Yeah yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 521.95 528.77 Yeah well f yeah, it's uh yeah, old town is as well as well yeah, that's alright. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 523.73 524.96 Pick a room. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 524.69 525.35 Pick a room. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 525.35 526.38 Is that alright? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 526.38 530.25 Is the old town view beautiful enough? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 529.88 533.19 Well she's not that far if she's like like in this one here. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 538.47 539.29 'Kay so you want this one? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 539.9 541.69 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 541.69 544.45 Okay, so Marianne, and who do you want to work with? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 539.87 539.9 Mm. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 547.35 552.44 Who is left um who 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 549.45 553.4 Nancy, Martin, Pirette? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 553.4 554.25 No, Pirette is done. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 554.97 555.38 And 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 561.12 561.47 Okay. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 561.47 566.28 Okay, so put Yalina with um 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 555.52 561.12 Andrei, Yalina, Maria and Agnes. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 558.07 558.38 Agnes. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 558.38 558.41 Mm. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 560.4 563.63 And actually she is working for the same project as well. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 558.58 560.4 Yalina, Ya Yalina would be good. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 564.87 566.23 Okay. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 567.38 571.82 With beautiful laughter. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 569.03 569.32 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 569.32 569.53 Yalina. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 571.14 571.32 Okay. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 574.96 575.96 And we have uh 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 579.04 579.48 now 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 583.9 588.86 Do you think it's a good idea to put Martin and Andrei together, since they are working on the same project? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 589.67 590.19 That could work. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 589.16 589.67 Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 592.02 594.59 And anyway, Martin is just a fifty per cent. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 596.96 597.67 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 597.67 605.68 And we might put Martin and Andrei and someone else in the three person room, since the fifty per cent, it's a good 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 602.17 603.64 In room yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 607.29 607.51 Yeah. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 608.08 608.29 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 608.2 608.66 Okay. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 613.91 615.05 Mm. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 616.74 621.36 I guess I can go in there, 'cause Martin and I wor are working on the sort of the same thing. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 621.98 622.1 Okay. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 622.17 622.45 Okay. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 625.04 626.53 And that leaves 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 625.41 628.78 Maria and Nancy. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 627.79 629.44 And Nancy. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 633.22 633.86 That's really strange. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 633.27 633.92 That's all? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 634.07 637.28 Yeah, that's a weird combination. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 638.77 639.24 Why? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 646.77 649.11 So, what do we think about that? 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 646.96 649.28 How i how it looks like 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 648.35 655.91 Okay, w w why don't we move Maria to this to where to the office I'm supposed to be and I can go with Nancy? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 657.7 658.61 No, it's not that. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 658.61 661.37 It's just you've almost got like a project split, 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 657.93 658.99 If you think that 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 662.34 665.72 except that you don't, because 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 668.55 674.41 Nancy and Maggie and I work on premindia parmenidy parmenidies. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 674.41 678.73 And then Andrei, Martin, Maria and I also work on. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 673.26 674.47 Mm-hmm mm yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 681.7 683.55 And sort of Susan. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 683.55 686.92 Although the Susan and Maggie thing we can't really change. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 684.63 687.18 I think this project thing is not good thing. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 688.78 690.64 This project splitting I mean. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 691.06 691.31 No. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 691.78 692.74 Splitting by project. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 694.71 697.77 But then we should split the little party up. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 698.99 699.52 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 699.52 707.67 No but if you if if you split by project you put me in one person room. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 699.7 700.85 Yeah, you can 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 703.81 706.44 All on your own. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 704.38 706.78 Ah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 714.58 714.78 Hmm. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 730.72 731.26 That's hard. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 733.26 734.22 See I would put it the other way. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 734.22 739.52 I would put the room with Martin in it in the two window room, 'cause he's fifty per cent, so then at least 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 740.92 741.93 the other two people get 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 743.37 744.32 Could you say that again? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 745.25 749.31 Put Martin in the three person room with two windows. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 750.42 751.06 Okay. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 750.97 752.53 Since he's fifty per cent. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 753.03 753.24 Okay. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 754.75 755.44 So you just 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 757.84 759.46 you just move him or 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 761.42 762.02 You just 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 760 761.42 the two groups? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 762.03 763.35 Either way. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 763.35 764.5 Well I don't know for splitting up 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 766.55 770.6 But is this about windows or is it about it it it must be functional. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 770.6 772.84 If you and Martin work on the same project then 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 767.02 768.12 people or 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 768.31 770.01 Yeah, uh that was my question. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 770.18 770.4 Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 779.41 784.41 I mean, is it important to have someone uh from the same project or um 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 774.02 779.41 Yeah, I mean with whom you'd you'd to with whom you'd like to work in the same office. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 775.13 776.55 Well I'm trying to optimise. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 784.69 788.28 I don't think it's necessarily so important to be in the same office with someone 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 788.47 788.69 No. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 789.41 790.69 if you're working on the same project. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 792.58 799.92 Yeah, we can each other, yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 793.8 795.91 But you're gonna disturb all the people. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 792.58 793.8 Yeah, we can skive. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 792.95 798.9 'Cause you're too lazy to get up and walk next door. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 797.86 800.63 We're gonna disturb all the people by skiving all the time. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 804.11 806.45 We don't work on any projects together. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 801.86 804.11 I don't know like right now I share an office with Bruno. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 814.56 814.83 Mm. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 807.03 814.56 Except coffee time and that's important project too, but uh gossiping and stuff like that, yes. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 811.76 814.99 But I mean that's fine. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 808.67 809.14 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 809.14 811.76 Of course. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 814.99 818.98 Like I don't need to be in the same office with someone who works on or 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 819.25 819.43 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 819.84 821.27 someone who works on parmenidies. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 822.64 827.21 It's not like yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 823.14 826.69 And it's quite funny to to to hear other 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 827.56 829.31 activities around you. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 829.31 830.57 And not always the same stuff. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 830.72 831.97 Yeah, that's for sure. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 832.52 839.1 Especially when it's activity that you don't understand or yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 838.51 839.12 What? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 836.81 838.51 You hear things out of context. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 835.33 836.81 Know anything about yeah. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 845.11 850.17 Uh I'm not sharing somebody with I work on the same project, 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 839.78 841.61 I agree, but the setup is pretty good now. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 841.61 845.11 So Bruno is not on and he's sharing um office? 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 844.91 845.61 With 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 848.29 848.66 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 848.87 849 Okay. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 850.17 851.34 No, that's quite nice. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 850.81 852.2 uh um, yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 851.94 853.79 Yeah, I Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 853.79 860.36 I dunno you were saying that uh Maria and Nancy doesn't fit together in the same 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 858.45 862.43 I just can't really see them sharing an office, I don't know why. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 861.78 869.17 So what you say if you change the office uh, I don't know, and you work with Nancy or uh 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 873.29 875.25 What do you yeah, I dunno. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 874.53 878.15 Or we put Andrei and Nancy to Nancy together 'cause they're starting that new 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 879.82 881.09 project. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 881.09 884.29 And then put Maria with 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 880.85 881.29 Oh yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 881.96 882.6 For example? 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 885.05 886.75 Martin and you, yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 885.27 887.05 me and Martha. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 887.05 889.28 I can see that working a bit better. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 886.67 889.46 Yeah, okay, why not. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 886.26 886.67 Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 886.39 886.51 Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 887.81 888.23 Sounds okay. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 897.32 898.46 Hmm. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 917.5 918.06 What do you say? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 917.85 919.32 I'm not totally convinced. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 920.11 920.31 Sorry? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 920.8 922.76 I'm not convinced about this. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 922.76 924.14 I dunno. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 921.75 923.25 No, what's bothering you? 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 931.2 935.06 Yeah, what is it now? 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 932.61 934.79 I thi I think 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 937.32 939.18 First of all 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 933.48 937.32 I thought you were saying you didn't wanna be in a three person room. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 937.35 946.01 First of all, no from the beginning I said the three person room it's quite I mean it's a disadvantage. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 936.5 937.35 Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 937.07 941.64 And now you are you are changing your mind all the time. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 938.42 942.45 Bu s somebody has to be 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 946.49 950.44 Yeah, but if you work with the people like Pirette and Marianne uh 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 950.56 951.86 And um 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 956.42 960.52 to change a little bit this disadvantage we put somebody fifty per cent, in 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 960.87 961.35 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 961.35 971.46 And put David but then you and Nikos have the window problem, which is why I still think we should put Gisella in that room, because 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 960.95 968.06 three person room, so we could do the same in the three person rooms, but there is still this problem yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 971.14 971.43 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 972.52 973.32 it's 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 974.71 975.64 Well, at mm 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 974.81 980.09 She gets the window, the whatever, he's there for two months, it's their problem. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 980.68 985.59 Not for enjoying the view. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 980.09 980.68 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 983.4 985.93 Not not us but exactly. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 978.93 983.4 yeah, it's here for working. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 987.26 988.96 Uh well 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 987.61 988.44 So 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 988.04 992.35 And you, so there is no view. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 992.5 994.01 Pirette is having quite a 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1004.4 1007.69 so it's gonna be a qui yeah, so it's quite a 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 995.05 1004.4 unadvantaged situation, because there are Marianne and Bruno who are having uh reception hours. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1002.28 1004.46 Yeah, but if you put 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1003.84 1004.96 And Pirette as well. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1004.96 1006.7 We uh all have uh reception hours. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1009.44 1011.13 traffic there I would say. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1009.97 1011.7 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1011.44 1012.16 So what if we 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1013.48 1015.01 switch no. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1016.31 1017.99 Well, will there be wireless in the building? 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1017.99 1023.07 I mean, if there are reception hours, so somebody could move to the reading room, and have people 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1021.93 1022.16 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1023.11 1024.52 You have to have a computer with wireless. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1028.43 1028.9 No? 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1027.15 1028.43 Doesn't everybody has one? 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1026.1 1027.15 Well isn't this the case? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1028.22 1028.45 No. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1031.95 1039.9 pick up your desktop and plus you can't assume that you can just use the reading room for reception hours. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1028.45 1031.95 Well, most of us first of all have desktop computers. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1028.43 1028.83 No. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1031.51 1035.43 So well, of course, if they put uh 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1034.01 1036.06 You can move with your desktop, yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1040.68 1040.91 No. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1041.83 1044.64 Like if people are actually using it as a reading room. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1041.64 1041.83 Right. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1043.69 1047.93 The aim having a room room for reading or 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1043.78 1043.88 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1046.17 1046.47 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1051.56 1053.09 Can we say we're gonna move Gisella here? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1054.04 1055.49 Yeah, okay. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1054.4 1054.65 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1055.63 1055.83 And then 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1057.35 1063.89 I think that gives us a little bit more flexibility to play with moving people around. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1063.89 1064.34 Goes here. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1059.7 1059.95 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1065.21 1066.25 Instead of 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1060.51 1065.21 Okay, can we say that David uh is yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1067.34 1070.54 You were the first one on the list, but if you wanna remove someone else 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1068.79 1070.5 Okay, but okay. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1070.5 1073.38 No, because I was thinking of we can um 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1074.45 1077.48 having these two office which are near to the lift 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1077.93 1081.13 Keep this office for reception people. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1081.73 1093.44 If I can con we are Pirette, the two Marianne and I, are receivi and Maggie and Susan are receiving a lot of student. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1093.44 1094.62 So we 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1082.34 1085.15 people. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1083.4 1083.66 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1092.96 1096.63 So what if we put you with yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1096.63 1101.42 Will you have. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1091.02 1092.96 Mm-hmm. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1101.42 1106.74 Okay, so 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1095.15 1098.15 With the Finnish for example, if you want me. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1105.67 1110.58 Yes, I will. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1097.6 1105.67 Well, you can you als already speak quite well Finnish, so we might get along, yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1103.01 1106.08 Yeah, so that's ki yeah, yeah, okay. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1106.08 1106.57 Lopeta. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1110.82 1112.55 I'm just putting Yalina in so we don't 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1111.79 1112.21 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1112.21 1116.52 Uh that's nice to have a corner a student, I mean, a student area. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1117.69 1120.25 It's easy for them to 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1118.08 1120.59 You know what I mean. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1120.59 1125.5 Yeah, to find us and it's also quite noisy when you have this kind of 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1118.92 1119.27 Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1121.8 1122.84 find the people. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1124.47 1124.71 Mm-hmm. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1130.07 1132.72 So if you work with me and you have this 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1126.93 1130.07 parade of student before the exams. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1128.34 1128.93 Yeah. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1129.81 1129.92 Mm. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1131.74 1132.34 Mm-hmm. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1139.22 1140.25 It only goes on Yalina. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1142.22 1142.38 No. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1142.38 1142.47 Hmm? 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1142.47 1145.35 I have no problem with that. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1142.22 1143.29 agree with that? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1142.31 1143.77 Or do you wanna go somewhere else? 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1146.97 1147.47 Um. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1150.41 1152.23 So and the photocopier is still 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1152.91 1153.45 Here. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1153.08 1153.45 Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1153.42 1156.58 Yeah, we have to from the other side of the 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1157.36 1158.56 But well. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1158.23 1159.08 You just don't photocopy. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1159.54 1159.69 Yeah. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1161.93 1162.66 Yeah, who does anyway? 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1164.69 1168.72 Yeah, the people having students. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1166.91 1167.15 Yeah. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1169.55 1171.95 So maybe you and Bruno should take this office. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1173.48 1176.33 No, but it's too far from 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1175.63 1176.61 Well you have the other 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1177.5 1177.81 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1178.84 1179.08 lift. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1181.19 1181.65 Okay. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1183.99 1185.13 Yeah, if we change the 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1185.28 1185.8 The switch? 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1186.56 1187.47 three people, 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1188.3 1190.34 Pirette, Marianne, David David 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1192.34 1193.11 With here? 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1192.67 1194.46 with here and uh 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1196.44 1196.69 Yeah. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1197.72 1198.6 Yeah, that's a good idea. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1202.21 1203.39 That's quite good. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1203.39 1204.06 And then yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1202.21 1204.59 So like that and then move you to 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1205.89 1208.08 So we have a three windows' room. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1208.08 1211.1 With view everywhere. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1211.1 1211.79 Aha. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1207.65 1208.96 Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1208.96 1211.4 We got it. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1213.97 1215.21 From the beginning. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1211.67 1213.97 That's what the plan was. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1212.92 1216.58 W with the mount ah my mountains, yes I got the mountains. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1214.58 1214.98 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1217.98 1220.33 Now we are all gonna come photocopy just to annoy you. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1216.71 1217.98 Do you get the photocopying noise. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1219.8 1221.26 We close the door. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1220.09 1224.07 And it's not very healthy either, yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1222.11 1225.39 And bathrooms are nearby, yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1226.36 1227.51 Yeah and 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1231.06 1231.44 Okay. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1236.45 1237.71 I think that's quite nice. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1240.16 1242.19 Or did was the id 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1243.98 1245.92 I should start start making full sentences. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1246.86 1247.88 What about 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1250.44 1257.42 I was thinking about moving Pierrette and Marianne into a two person office rather than a three person office. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1258.03 1259.35 And then? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1259.35 1260.72 And put David 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1259.83 1260.57 But 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1261.33 1262.77 With Andrei and Nancy, for example. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1263.69 1266.29 In a two person office? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1266.29 1266.78 And why? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1264.79 1266.28 No, in a three person office. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1266.28 1270.73 Because if they have reception 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1272.23 1273.29 I know, I thought you were saying that 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1274.33 1276.7 Pierrette should have a smaller office, 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1277.81 1283.45 or be in a smaller office, because of reception or something, or did I just completely misunderstand? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1284.3 1295.03 No, no, the reason to put Pirette and Marianne Marianne and I together is because of the noise we make by receiving students. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1293.23 1293.89 Okay. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1296 1301.68 And then the reason to put David in this office it's because yeah, it's fifty per cent in a three 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1298.4 1299.86 Is because he's fifty per cent, okay. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1299.2 1300.39 Fifty per cent, yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1302.31 1303.4 Okay, that works. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1303.18 1303.42 um 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1304.79 1305.4 place office. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1307.48 1308.29 Um. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1316.9 1318.14 That sounds nice, no? 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1318.72 1319.35 Yeah, looks good. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1321.17 1321.46 Mm-hmm. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1325.08 1327.62 And I think we do have the best office uh. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1327.62 1334.99 It's a kind of dictatorship decision, but we are here to make a decision, so 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1328.21 1329.39 I'm quite happy with it. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1327.17 1328.21 Yeah, I think too. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1337.29 1340.52 And Agnes, you're gonna sell this to the administrator? 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1341.19 1341.46 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1341.54 1342.74 I'm going to try. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1342.74 1343.26 Yes. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1344.05 1344.41 So? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1343.29 1344.05 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1345.48 1347.27 'Kay, what arguments do I need? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1353.87 1355.8 Although you still have Susan and Maggie over here. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1349.44 1353.87 Well, we have the the group and students here. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1350.34 1352.04 The argument of student. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1353.33 1356.62 You can also s oh, yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1352.04 1353.33 Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1357.03 1363.27 Yeah, but it's quite logical to have the for the professors one person rooms, I think. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1359.81 1359.92 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1360.61 1360.92 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1362.88 1363.09 Yeah. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1377.01 1377.34 Mm. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1378.77 1381.45 So it is sort of a well, no, it's not a project split. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1382.68 1383.67 is 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1383 1385.1 It's weird, 'cause it kind of is and kind of isn't. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1387.7 1396.88 Because Maria and Martin and I work all work on the same project, and then Andrei and Nancy work on the same project, and Pierrette n yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1390.46 1390.71 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1394.14 1397.19 Yeah, but we all work on different projects so we can't 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1402.18 1405.1 What is the little square d you put oh, a printer? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1406.34 1406.64 Okay. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1405.1 1406.34 And the photocopier? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1405.1 1406.34 And yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1405.39 1406.6 For the yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1418.63 1419.43 That's quite fine. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1419.92 1423.63 Okay, let me just write down the arguments for why um 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1424 1430.72 suggestion, if possible, we could move me and Yalina to the office where Andrei and Nancy are now. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1424.04 1425.27 Student reception. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1426.49 1426.88 Mm-hmm. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1430.64 1432.53 You just want a bigger window. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1432.95 1436.68 No, I I just it's just more convenient if I'm closer with my 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1438.16 1439.95 The partners of my project. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1438.2 1438.55 You. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1440.09 1440.61 Okay. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1441.35 1445.06 We can skive as you said. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1450.24 1451.05 No yeah, that's fine. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1451.52 1452.12 Happy? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1457.67 1461.95 So the arguments are uh student reception 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1458.56 1459.34 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1464.08 1464.71 in one corner. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1477.61 1479.11 That's noise reduction. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1479.16 1479.31 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1481.33 1482.45 The fifty per cent 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1483.38 1484.1 staff 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1485.34 1485.97 in the three 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1487.7 1488.79 Mm-hmm. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1487.01 1487.7 Person rooms. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1487.55 1488.22 person room. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1500.31 1503.69 And the projects they're they are quite well grouped actually now. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1500.46 1500.78 Okay. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1504.27 1505.51 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1505.51 1505.7 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1504.29 1505.12 Now they are, yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1507.01 1512.83 And um the two mm and the two professor is one single. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1508.27 1510.2 Except for David, but we can't do anything about that. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1519.09 1521.24 And well Gisella she is kind of 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1522.91 1523.6 in the middle. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1524 1524.25 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1525.32 1525.98 Centred. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1525.67 1527.79 She's the heart of the. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1526.85 1530.87 Yeah, department. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1539.46 1540.95 Yeah, or in that hall. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1540.95 1543.88 I mean, the sixth floor, there is no coffee machine on the sixth floor. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1529.88 1539.46 And since you nee you will meet the administrator, can we ask for a coffee machine somewhere. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1537.42 1538.92 In the reading room, that would be good. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1541.97 1545.31 It's not kitchen. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1542.7 1545.13 Oh it's not, ah it's 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1545.28 1546.03 You mean like 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1547.19 1550.08 a little machine or a vending machine? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1548.08 1550.31 No no, um a vending machine. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1550.88 1551.14 'Kay. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1551.7 1554.31 The little machine, I think, would be harder to sell, but 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1557.08 1557.7 Yeah but try. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1558.45 1558.65 I will. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1559.32 1559.92 Yeah, good coffee. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1561.22 1562.19 Wi with good coffee. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1562.19 1564.84 Italian one, please. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1562.32 1570.76 Nespresso? 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1564.66 1567.78 Quite strong, strong good coffee. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1563.13 1564.66 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1568.85 1569.53 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1571.62 1572.29 And herb tea. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1572.82 1573.94 Uh yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1574.32 1577.72 What did you say, hot tea? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1573.11 1574.32 With the good strong coffee. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1574.11 1575.26 For the afternoon. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1575.19 1575.54 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1577.88 1578.45 H herb tea. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1579.69 1580.55 Oh, herb tea. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1581.2 1583.06 Because with strong coffee I don't t sleep. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1579.86 1581.2 For the afternoon, yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1588.17 1589.84 And you drink uh coffee, yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1585.33 1588.17 If you late uh you work late, yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1586.25 1586.39 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1589.09 1590.23 Yeah yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1590.23 1590.28 Mm. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1594.4 1597.03 And do we know if there will be air conditioning? 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1599.44 1602.27 Is there actually a smoking uh area somewhere? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1603.6 1604.54 Non-smoking building. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1603.49 1603.6 Nope. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1603.56 1604.54 Not for me but 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1613.99 1616.4 They have to go down, yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1605.81 1607.42 but we okay. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1613.05 1613.63 No. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1607.42 1613.05 We have the terrace still on the sixth floor or uh how how. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1613.63 1613.99 Not at all. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1609.69 1612.84 No no no, there is no terrace on that building. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1613.1 1615.33 No, they'll have to go down. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1617.97 1621.14 So, no we're not gonna change the plan only for the smokers. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1621.51 1624.88 Well it's it's ideal for Nancy, she is just very close to the lifts. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1622.92 1623.81 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1627.24 1627.99 As well. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1625.15 1627.24 Exactly. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1625.35 1628.1 And Susan, Maggie as well. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1625.54 1628.04 And Susan Maggie close enough, yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1632.92 1633.86 I think it's fine. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1635.83 1636.01 Okay. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1646.29 1646.96 Excellent, yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1647.8 1649.24 Yeah, I think it's okay. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1649.24 1651.77 Let's see what the the other ones say. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1648.51 1649.39 Okay. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1649.39 1651.95 Is everyone happy with that? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1654.5 1655.86 Yeah, I think so. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1659.76 1662.15 Just checking if actually have everyone, but I think we do. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1663.35 1664.98 So when exactly are we supposed to move? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1666.4 1669.85 In was it what did I say, three weeks. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1668.61 1669.48 Three weeks. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1669.79 1671.04 Three weeks. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1671.04 1678.41 So they've set up everything, wiring, uh internet, or what's the sta the status right now? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1684.77 1688.74 So when you get there the next day, all your stuff is already in your office. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1677.32 1679.19 As far as I know, yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1679.19 1684.77 As far as I know basically we pack up one day, the movers come, take all our stuff, put into the red boxes. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1682.66 1682.81 Mm. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1688.12 1688.43 Wow. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1689.48 1692.78 And all the I. P. s and everything is set up. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1692.78 1693.36 They're trying. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1690.05 1691.68 That's very professional yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1693.94 1694.29 Hmm. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1696.47 1698.22 Make sure you label your boxes properly. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1694.55 1696.47 So, we'll see. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1696.47 1697.34 Okay. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1701.06 1702.89 Um especially the Marianne's. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1711.28 1711.67 Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1709.97 1711.28 Ah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1704.64 1709.97 My boxes. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1704.91 1705.49 Uh can 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1706.24 1709.23 Yeah, so they won't confuse it get confused with the other Marianne's boxes. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1713.22 1714.76 For general information? 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1709.24 1713.22 can we think of putting a white board somewhere in the hall? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1715.52 1716.75 Uh we can try. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1717.72 1718.74 That might be a good idea. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1717.84 1718.74 I can ask them. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1718.73 1719.23 Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1722.3 1723.9 Well, mai mailing lists. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1725.05 1728.49 Of course, you can mail em yeah, if you have something. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1727.48 1728.67 But that's not really 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1728.16 1736.59 Yeah, but I mean you have a nice poster of the next conference, you don't put it you know a a big board with 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1736.11 1736.67 Yes,. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1731.94 1734.17 Ah okay, yeah a posters, okay. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1735.58 1736.11 Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1734.17 1735.58 That's kind of thing. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1738.87 1740.34 Um where? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1741.64 1744.6 Like along Gisella's 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1742.62 1744.23 Along one of the wall, yeah. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1744.08 1744.21 S 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1746.85 1748.92 Or in front of the reading room or 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1750.39 1756.85 Well there are lots of walls we can put posters on. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1750.4 1750.59 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1751.59 1751.68 Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1753.31 1753.4 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1755.31 1755.95 Okay, so 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1757.08 1759.78 Along that bottom hallway somewhere. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1759.26 1759.81 Mm yeah,. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1759.36 1759.82 Mm. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1770.63 1771.06 Okay. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1773.38 1774.78 Anything else I need to ask them? 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1782 1782.94 No more special 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1784.27 1785.49 wishes. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1786.63 1786.95 'Kay. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1789.93 1793.84 I don't actually we may need to sort out 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1796.05 1796.29 Ooh. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1797.85 1800 That's not healthy. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1800 1801.56 Um who 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1803.15 1809.87 I don't know if we need to sort out who sits where, 'cause if they're gonna plug everything and set everything up. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1809.8 1812.86 I think it's everybody's responsibility to find 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1813.46 1813.67 Yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1818.22 1822.51 I mean, if we start doing that not happy 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1814.02 1818.22 if they prefer to be in front of, back to window or whatever. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1818.18 1818.45 Yeah. 
IB4002 H01 FIE038 1822.68 1825.76 yeah, you know. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1822.92 1825.45 Yeah, we don't want to micro manage things, yeah. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1823.88 1826.88 We are all adults, so I think we can all speak and 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1824.07 1824.17 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1825.49 1826.19 Yeah, no, no. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1826.19 1826.57 Yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1827.2 1833.98 I just can't remember whether they're actually gonna set everything up for us or not, but we can change it I guess. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1829.98 1830.61 Uh okay. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1832.96 1833.9 I hope, yeah. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1838 1838.18 Okay. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1838.93 1839.08 Okay. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1840.72 1842.04 save this. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1839.56 1840.72 That's it then. 
IB4002 H00 MIO092 1847.89 1849.48 Can you mail a copy of that to everybody? 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1850.21 1850.35 Yep. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1851.71 1853.58 Not right now, 'cause I'm not connected to the internet. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1857.75 1858.19 But I will. 
IB4002 H02 FIO093 1858.98 1859.73 Okay. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1861.34 1861.52 Okay. 
IB4002 H03 MIO091 1862.34 1863.17 Good, we're done then. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 45.41 45.71 Okay. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 48.68 49.61 And don't forget the 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 50.32 50.51 Oh yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 56.68 59.36 Thanks for coming to this meeting. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 71.98 75.56 Uh but we also have to find out how we use this space. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 54.77 56.68 Um, so hi everyone. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 69.19 71.98 So that's a very good piece of news. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 59.36 69.19 Um well as you all know the topic of this morning's meeting is uh the fact that we're moving and we are going to get more space. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 76.68 85.55 So um if you want, I'll just give a brief overview of what's happening and then we can uh talk about,
IB4003 H00 MIO036 85.55 89.99 well, arranging these new uh the new office space. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 89.99 101.55 So um in case you haven't seen the the documents uh let me just uh show you very briefly the the configuration of the the space. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 152.01 158.1 Um actually I think Agnes did this nice drawing so she even put the the view,
IB4003 H00 MIO036 147.27 152.01 of one person rooms, two person room and and three person rooms. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 132.33 138.82 Um so the the the one P., two P., three P. means the the number of persons. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 162.94 165.96 Uh we have some bathrooms for us. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 103.99 107.5 So um well, there is nothing much to say. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 126.38 132.33 And it's uh sort of contiguous rooms as you you can all see from uh from here. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 138.82 147.27 As you can see we have several corridor um with a number of uh of uh of rooms,
IB4003 H00 MIO036 124.09 126.38 So it's at the sixth floor. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 165.96 173.59 Uh and a courtyard which actually means a sort of uh shaft, because uh the court is uh down at uh the first floor. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 107.5 115.54 Well you know how many of us are are present and you know that we are um a bit tight actually in our present location. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 115.54 124.09 Uh that's why actually the university finally um allocated us this uh this part of uh the Unimail building. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 158.1 162.94 so we have the old town on one side, and the mountains on the other two sides. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 172.96 180.29 Andre, just, yeah, just a a clarification question, are they number of people per room indicated strict, or can we play around with? 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 180.29 188.45 I mean if there are two people, is it really that you can't put three or uh two and a half or uh how how was it calculated? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 237.77 239.45 Do you need something, Martin? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 194.02 195.4 Uh they are here. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 228.41 236.78 What's What should be said here, I don't know if, well, you I I will maybe distribute now documents if you don't have them. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 258.33 261.14 So it it's for the moment quite comfortable. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 236.78 237.77 Maybe it's easier. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 245.17 248.02 You too David, I think. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 248.02 252.62 So in fact there are more places than people, so we won't be that constrained. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 261.14 269.6 Normally we should even get an extra uh an extra place for, you know, temporary people coming to work on uh on projects. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 195.4 201.57 So um well, your your person Your your question actually is answered maybe by the third item. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 225.94 228.41 But um we could try. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 210.15 218.79 Uh a filing cabinet that goes under the desk uh and, well, we can put hanging shelves over the the desks. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 218.79 225.94 So I'm not really sure it's possible to get three um three desks in a two person office. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 252.62 258.33 Uh as you know some of us and some of you here actually, Martin and David are part-time. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 187.49 194.02 Well, it's a bit difficult to say, because um in fact we have some constraints in terms of furniture. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 269.6 279.77 Uh yeah, I uh yeah, I counted so we have um fifteen pers physical persons and about uh sixteen,
IB4003 H00 MIO036 242.28 245.17 Uh so it's it's Yeah, you have a copy, Susan. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 201.57 208.63 So each person should get um, well, it's a sort of desk, it's made of two pieces and it looks like a corner. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 279.77 284.44 I think, uh persons oh, actually, eighteen persons in the offices. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 208.63 210.15 With, of course, a chair. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 239.45 242.28 Um, I can keep this for you. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 194.84 195.09 'Kay. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 227.38 227.58 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 239.3 240.21 I have everything. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 241.19 241.91 Okay, so 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 243.01 243.58 I have a copy. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 243.58 244.43 Yeah. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 246.63 246.86 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 267.77 268.38 Are you sure of that? 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 276.66 276.83 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 281.97 282.17 Two 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 283.99 287.95 Six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 284.48 286.41 Yeah, but counting the rea the the reading room. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 293.82 299.92 unlike what had until now, a lounge or reading room uh in one of the the offices. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 299.92 301.14 So in one of the rooms. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 286.98 293.82 Exactly, it so one of the issues uh here, it's probably not on the slides, is that we would like to have uh,
IB4003 H03 MIO039 297.33 297.55 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 301.39 302.2 Do we really need that? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 307.26 311.67 So if we could do it, then I think it would be much nicer. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 303.29 307.26 Um, I think quite a lot of people e expressed the need for that. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 311.67 315.33 Um let me also uh st say something Yep. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 313.89 323.04 And Susan, don't forget the time we spend to for discussions about that room, so you should be able to valorize this if possible. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 322.6 322.91 Okay. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 323.43 325.45 Yeah, I I think so. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 324.02 329.12 But I still agree with you that the b the we are not so we are not so large, as far as space is concerned. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 335.5 345.32 so uh to the best uh if you take uh two people room for the reading room, then you have uh sixteen places. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 329.12 335.5 Uh because fifteen people to put in there eighteen positions,
IB4003 H03 MIO039 345.32 345.6 Mm. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 328.41 328.77 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 334.65 335.04 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 342.98 346.36 Well, sixteen slots for fifteen people. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 346.36 348.33 So it's still should be feasible. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 348.63 351.36 Yeah, that that also means that the growth will be zero. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 349.46 350.19 That's 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 360.66 361.15 Correct. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 355.26 360.66 Maybe we can think of, yeah, some two or three, yeah, for visiting people. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 352.42 355.26 Yeah, I think that's quite important to manage some space. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 357.66 362.56 Visiting visiti visiting researchers, students coming for exchange students et cetera. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 362.16 362.47 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 363.92 368.2 Okay, so let me finish with the the constraints which are almost done. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 381.86 385.08 Um okay, the offices comes with white boards. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 368.2 374.07 So we also need to to find the a spot for the photocopier, the fax machine, and the printer. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 387.14 393.4 Uh the furniture that w each each person has and uh you have a list of people. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 385.08 387.14 Not very uh very important. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 374.07 381.86 The fax, you know, is very small, but um the photocopier is quite huge, and the printer is uh well ab this size. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 362.86 363.92 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 405.71 409.32 Um there is another group that is also having discussions. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 394.73 403.32 So the thing uh you you ought to know is that we're not the only ones that w we're thin that that are thinking about uh for well 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 409.32 421.67 So the idea is that today we'll just try to f start seeing the main constraints and then you have time to to go and think about it uh ask the people you know,
IB4003 H00 MIO036 403.32 405.71 about putting people i in these rooms. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 421.67 427.99 your assistants, for instance, and at the next meeting we'll try to to come with one solution. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 427.99 433.08 Uh, the other group will also propose a solution and then there will be another negotiation. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 433.08 433.78 So w 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 433.49 435.99 And if we don't get this space then what happens? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 440.11 449.5 Um, well basically they are promised to us so uh Do do you think there are chances that they take from us one of the rooms or uh 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 437.36 440.11 Uh if i if we don't get these? 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 439.12 439.89 These, yeah. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 441.22 442.8 We j we stay where we are. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 450.08 450.44 Okay. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 450.97 454.81 Yeah, I I I think it's uh Uh, yeah. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 453.56 456.84 No the the the chances might be that there are more people to put in that space. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 456.98 459.32 Yeah i yeah, that's one of the the problems. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 498.36 498.64 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 468.3 476.79 Um okay, so maybe we could try to to see now what would be the main options. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 459.32 468.3 I think maybe we should take this into account and maybe think of some of the bigger rooms with four people, one being temporary or or part-time. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 486.71 495.69 In in the table that um that we have, uh we also have the uh uh the p the main projects on which the people are working. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 476.79 480.73 Say the general uh, well, arrangement options. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 480.73 486.71 Do you think that we should put people, say, according to projects for instance? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 495.69 498.36 So how Yeah. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 503.9 514.03 because uh at least we are half per cent uh fifty per cent of from E. P. F. L. and uh sometimes you have meetings where w y the the decision is already taken,
IB4003 H03 MIO039 496.83 503.9 Andre, sorry for interrupting, but uh one again clarification question, what is the real margin of manoeuvre that we have for these discussions 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 514.03 524.01 so uh um you can spend quite a lot of time discussing things, so what what will be the impact of what we will come out come up with? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 539.91 544.12 So basically we are all the permutations are possible at the moment. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 522.91 527.04 Oh, actually what is fixed is the n the number of rooms. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 527.04 528.61 This we cannot really change. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 528.61 534.51 I mean at least not us, it would be much more difficult to get another another room for instance. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 534.51 539.91 But what is absolutely n not fixed is the arrangement of the people in the rooms. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 539.91 541.34 So, another way of a 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 550.94 555.12 Or are we the the one that is supposed to do the p the the p position for it? 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 543.79 550.94 Another way of asking the question, is there any other group already working on uh on the how this should be uh should be allocated? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 551.8 552.28 Um 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 561.46 569.29 So uh the other group is, uh I don't think we have to see them as competitors, but they are just trying to to find another local optimum. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 569.29 570.3 Or l uh 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 555.41 561.46 Well, what we are looking for is a solution that suits everyone and that makes the maximum of people happy. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 571.79 572.55 I mean 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 569.44 571.79 But wha why why don't they have any representative here. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 572.6 574.1 Yeah, why didn't we have a meeting together? 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 574.21 576.04 Yeah, why do we do it separately? 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 574.57 581.15 Uh, they have another group and then uh uh uh Andre and Agnes will discuss about it with. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 581.15 583.61 You are the rep representative of this group actually. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 574.9 575.45 Uh 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 604.54 605.21 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 605.21 610.36 Well, we could have been eight h sitting around here and and talking, but I think it's it's more difficult. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 600.8 604.54 mm well, you know, find two two kinds of opinions. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 582.04 583.27 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 583.27 584.51 Yeah uh uh we Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 584.51 587.97 I I think that's Yeah, there is no real competition between the two,
IB4003 H00 MIO036 587.97 593.75 but we'll just try to find at least two solutions and see how how close they are, actually. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 593.75 600.8 It's it's I think well the m the people who who decided this thought it was the best solution to,
IB4003 H03 MIO039 604.91 605.11 Okay. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 610.7 612.19 No, but you know that that's a standard thing. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 618.86 626.45 we'll put them put her or him somewhere else, then we will do plenty of work for nothing, because we'll not have this constraint. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 612.19 618.86 It's Suppose that somebody for some strange reasons want to be in the corner and we don't know about that,
IB4003 H03 MIO039 626.45 627.74 We'll not be aware of this constraint. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 624.67 625.01 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 626.6 627.03 Well 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 628.36 632.03 Exactly, I think So so today the goal is not to to find the solution today 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 632.03 638.83 but to set some constraints and then go and see the people and find out if they have any preferences. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 638.83 645.37 Obviously we won't be able to accommodate all the the preferences, but at least we'll find the most uh the most important ones. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 631.54 632.29 Oh, okay. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 633.72 633.91 Okay. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 650.58 655.72 because they also have a lot of students that they have to see as we do, and so that's another consideration, too. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 645.59 650.58 Well, certainly we have to ask uh Pierrette and uh and Maggie, since they're not here,
IB4003 H00 MIO036 646.75 647.59 P s I think 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 650.77 652.11 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 651.41 651.71 Yeah. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 653.67 653.98 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 695.02 703.65 But let us try to see today whether we prefer to organise people, say, by projects or just professor and assistant. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 703.65 709.83 So what would be f, say, first your preferences, since Let's let's start with us, maybe today. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 681.89 689.36 Um so since all of you have a copy of the uh, well, of the drawing, I think for the next time 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 677 681.89 but uh I think that's a bit uh a bit hard then to to work out. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 660.39 663.67 we don't know exactly if they prefer for instance to be alone,
IB4003 H00 MIO036 711.79 715.6 Would you prefer to be alone, would you prefer to be with your assistant. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 670.48 677 So that would have been maybe, yeah, another solution is to ask everyone to provide uh an arrangement 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 663.67 670.48 or to well, to be with their assistant, or even with another person working on the project. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 689.36 695.02 m maybe you could come with a concrete proposal with uh names on it. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 715.6 725.44 You who are part-time, do you think you can come here on a very w well regular schedule or is it part-time, but variable during the week? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 709.83 711.79 Um what do you think about it? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 656.52 660.39 Yeah, I think so that's one of the things I think we know that they have students 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 717.24 717.41 Hmm. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 727.03 728.62 Yeah uh, okay uh 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 728.62 735.21 me personally I would like to to to share the other peopl n uh the room with assistants as when you have problems of normal life,
IB4003 H01 MIO094 739.89 743.33 so it's better to to be with a with an assistant to share the room. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 735.21 739.89 like uh the printer doesn't work, uh I don't want to ask this to my supervisor 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 744.69 745.76 Uh-huh. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 745.76 750.13 And since you're coming on the uh half-time,
IB4003 H00 MIO036 750.13 753.23 do you think you will be able to group your presence here, say Monday,
IB4003 H00 MIO036 753.23 756.81 Tuesday and Wednesday morning, or is it going to be m much more random? 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 749.77 750.01 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 761.51 764.61 Uh I still would like to have my drawers and these things. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 755.46 761.51 What uh I don't think it's a good idea to share uh t to ha to share the same desk. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 760.8 761.2 Okay. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 779.42 782.88 It's no no way we we could put two persons at the same desk. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 765.78 767.12 Yeah, I think so too. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 773.52 779.42 I think it's quite clear that mm each person should have their own desk and Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 767.12 773.52 Um so Martin, you are also uh half-time and, well, the third person is Gisella. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 778.69 779.36 I agree with that. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 779.36 779.85 That's 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 802.58 808.77 Um, the uh the thing that f in my case has to be taken into account is that I will have a lot of phone calls. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 812.22 818.77 So that's not necessary Well, it depends on I I have nothing against sharing a a an office with somebody. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 789.8 794.63 it reduces the the ranges of time where too many people in the room. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 818.77 822.16 I d already did it before, so and it was perfectly fine. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 794.63 802.58 As far as I am concerned I probably might be able to have a kind of a regular presence here. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 808.77 812.22 So I'll be talking o o o over the phone all the time. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 783.46 789.8 Whe whe where part-time is important is that it's n an overlo load on a room, so um for sure if you have a part-time person 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 794.28 795.66 Yeah, I think grouping 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 808.89 809.26 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 810 811.44 Oh great. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 823.4 832.69 It just has to be somebody who can work while somebody else is having phone calls in the in the room, which is very d much dependent on people. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 832.69 835.72 Some people are not disturb at all by this. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 835.72 836.84 Some people just can't work. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 835.6 836.35 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 838.04 841.44 Are you disturbed by the phone calls of other people? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 841.44 841.83 Okay. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 840.64 841.71 I'm not. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 841.71 850.74 But uh and uh what might happen, but it uh it will not be so heavy here uh at ISSCO is visitors. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 850.74 857 So that I will have more at E. P. F. L., uh typically students coming in um or asking for things. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 857 861.78 As I'm not teaching here, I'm teaching at E. P. F. L., this should shouldn't be a such a big load. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 853.21 853.51 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 868.23 871.87 because I will be communicating also through vocal means, so 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 863.16 868.23 So for me it it will be essentially I will not be I will not be able to be silent in the room,
IB4003 H00 MIO036 865.08 865.73 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 871.86 872.45 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 891.95 899.53 Um insofar as in just about every other faculty in the building, every professor has their own office. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 887.82 891.95 And you would see that you would have the same size office, but that would give the privacy. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 905.44 910.09 So one option and that but that we would need to ask about if we could uh split one of the rooms uh 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 884.32 887.82 And so we would take uh uh one of the two people rooms and split it. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 879.17 884.32 what they have done in the uh faculty of law, for example, that they actually split rooms? 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 872.82 879.17 Ye mm before um talking more about individual preferences, is there any possibility,
IB4003 H02 FIE037 899.53 905.44 And it's it's really it goes a bit far that uh we have to have this uh all this sharing uh. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 887.11 887.51 Hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 888.64 889.02 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 891.69 892.22 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 899.42 900.11 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 899.95 900.21 Hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 912.75 916.42 In the in the bigger rooms where, yeah You know like uh cubicles? 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 910.53 912.75 Do you go for boxes for instance? 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 916.42 916.62 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 914.7 915.92 Like cubicles. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 917.48 919.08 That doesn't really solve it uh 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 919.37 919.57 Hmm. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 923.29 929.05 and sometimes you have uh you need to have private uh discussions with somebody or whatever, so 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 919.88 923.29 I mean there's there's really a difference to having to have your own Yeah,
IB4003 H03 MIO039 920.4 922.07 You mean, you really want to have walls. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 921.22 922.17 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 923.63 924.1 Four walls. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 924.94 925.15 Yeah. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 926.75 927.55 Yeah, sure sure. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 968.08 975.97 Uh how do you feel Susan about the professor sharing the room with her assistants or the one which is the most involved in in the teaching? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 952.24 957.68 So there are these two rooms on the left that uh accommodate one person. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 929.28 932.6 Yeah, I I I will try to find out whether we can separate. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 957.68 965.64 So at least some of the professors, since you are four, uh could could go uh well, could take these uh these rooms. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 932.6 937.72 I think for the moment the answer at least is no, because um it's not only,
IB4003 H00 MIO036 937.72 941.05 well, making a wall, but also b mm making a new door. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 965.64 968.08 And quite a lot of rooms with two persons. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 946.33 952.24 Um, so at least for the moment, as you can see there are uh I can show them here on the screen. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 941.05 946.33 So it's quite a lot of uh of work, but uh I will try to find this out for the next time. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 957.28 957.45 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 958.15 958.44 Yeah. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 996.83 998.89 But it's a personal preference uh. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 979.09 982.71 As you know um, I prefer to have uh my own office. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 976 979.09 Well, I I think it's uh really a matter of personal preference. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1004.43 1006.65 So I mean I think that we should still check with them 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 982.71 987.71 Um, I also have uh a lot of phone calls and y you know, have to see people,
IB4003 H02 FIE037 987.71 993.71 and with the other work that I'm doing with the rectorate uh, that is really confidential information that I'm treating. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 993.71 996.83 So I That I have to be really careful about too. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 998.89 1004.43 Insofar as what we've had up until now, both Maggie and Pierrette have been happy to share with others. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 981.2 981.67 Hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 982.32 982.49 Hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 992.66 993.57 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 993.85 993.95 Yeah. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 992.69 993.85 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1005.12 1005.44 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1007.4 1014.64 That's uh it's much easier to me to uh to foresee having two people of the same position sharing a room, than uh 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1006.51 1007.4 I fully agree with that. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1013.97 1015.56 Well, not sharing with each other. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1017.33 1017.86 Yeah. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1015.56 1017.33 They each share with an assistant. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1022.7 1026.01 Yeah, you you you are discussing a budget on the on the project,
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1015.7 1017.03 Oh sharing with their students. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1026.01 1035.21 you over the phone typically you don't necessary want to have somebody who will be dependent on that budget being part of the discussion, so 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1017.03 1022.7 Oh sorry, because but that that's uh it's it's tricky because of confidentiality reasons, as you said. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1016.2 1017.21 Yeah. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1031.46 1032.75 Paid on that 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1031.96 1032.36 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1034.43 1034.89 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1037.56 1039.97 Yeah, that's um that's true. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1044.28 1050.23 Do you think it's a good idea to put together in the same room as much as possible people from the same project 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1039.97 1041.51 Um, okay. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1041.51 1044.28 Um, maybe we could s look a bit at the projects. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1050.23 1052.48 since they talk quite a lot of to each other? 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1048.04 1048.24 No. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1051.01 1054.48 No, because pro project doesn't last in time. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1054.48 1055.17 They will change. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1056.54 1056.91 Okay. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1055.41 1056.54 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1062.34 1062.65 Mm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1056.43 1062.34 That's what The only thing that will not or that will change only progressively in time is the status of the people. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1063.28 1070.05 Well, yeah, and some of the P. H. D. students will hopefully finish their P. H. D. at some point. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1066.11 1067.95 Yeah, they will promote that. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1068.84 1071.33 But still, th some things Well, yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1070.98 1071.56 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1072.07 1077.27 Yeah, and also some of our the people mentioned here are working on more than one project too. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1077.27 1077.61 So 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1076.33 1076.54 Yeah. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1079.03 1085.93 For example, uh Marianne de uh, she's also working with me on the virtual campus project, so she that one wasn't mentioned 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1089 1093.47 but uh it's just to say people are working on uh sometimes more than one project uh 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1085.93 1089 but I'm not saying that I necessarily want to be with her in the office 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1079.3 1079.72 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1084.1 1084.76 Uh-huh. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1086.77 1087.34 Okay, yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1089.14 1089.73 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1101.4 1105.74 they just have a meeting room if it's not too far away then then it's a very good good practice. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1093.51 1098.72 If if it if i if projects are what you have in mind, I think that uh meeting room is the the tool for that. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1098.72 1101.4 If you need to have people in a projects talking together 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1098.72 1098.81 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1098.93 1099.21 Yeah. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1102.56 1102.94 Yep. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1105.19 1105.58 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1108.99 1114.35 but there are also more formal meeting rooms available in in the building, as we now know. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1105.58 1108.99 Well, actually, so the lounge could serve as some kind of meeting room,
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1111.11 1111.35 Yes. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1113.82 1122.63 That's why I was quite receptive to uh Susan's remark at the beginning is I wouldn't formulate it in a such a an extreme way as 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1122.63 1124.15 do we really need the lounge? 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1127.26 1132.34 do we want to have only a lounge or s something that can be used only as a reading room? 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1124.15 1127.26 But uh I would p probably formulate it in the way that uh 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1124.82 1125.38 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1133.43 1138.17 Because because meeting rooms to me are very important tools to do uh collaborative work. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1138.33 1139.64 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1139.64 1140.6 So I think we need a 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1139.34 1141.71 But on the other hand we also have to relax, so that's 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1141.89 1149.35 Yeah, and and I think also we need a separate discussion on the furnishing of the lounge, which is a whole other topic. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1145.83 1146.22 Yes. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1149.83 1151.71 No I d um the lounge okay 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1151.71 1157.96 but I think we need to also see it as a overflow place when we have um uh visitors for any length of time 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1146.5 1149.83 Well, yeah, we'll skip that for now. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1157.96 1159.51 so they actually have a place to work. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1148.36 1148.72 Yes. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1155.41 1155.64 Yeah. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1158.03 1158.11 Yeah. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1159.67 1168.22 'Cause that's really my one of my worries with the plan that we have here is that it's it pr provides no possible possibilities of expansion. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1161 1162.13 Uh-huh. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1170 1172.71 I mean you can't you can't prevent having visitors. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1172.71 1173.54 And you shouldn't. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1169.25 1170 And this will happen. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1169.35 1169.96 Um 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1175.23 1175.35 Yeah. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1173.64 1175.23 No, you want to have visitors. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1178.99 1180.16 Uh that is Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1173.93 1178.99 Yeah, yeah, for the moment actually I think only one slot would be fully free. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1179.04 1181.5 Which for for fifteen people it's not enough. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1181.5 1182.26 I mean uh 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1181.48 1183.51 Yeah, that means one visitor at a time. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1183.51 1184.77 Or one intern. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1184.77 1186.08 Yeah, that's Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1182.96 1183.29 Yeah. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1183.93 1190.44 Yeah it's We have we have four professors here and and and two researchers. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1185.77 1186.73 It's 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1188.33 1193.28 It's funny that uh we move to another building because we run out of uh space and we will have the same problem. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1188.71 1189.02 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1193.9 1194.04 Mm. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1194.4 1199.32 Yes, but we have more space here than what we currently have, so it's at least some 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1196.4 1196.81 Ah okay. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1199.22 1203.45 And you're you're working Uh I think, yeah, w Okay 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1203.45 1209.91 so one of the things I have to do for the next time is fin find out about the separations between rooms and 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1197.3 1199.22 Yeah, it's already in progress. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1198.82 1200.71 It's bad it's bad. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1217.08 1219.45 Uh it's not necessary heavy in terms of work. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1219.45 1222.02 It's heavy in terms of administrative authorisation. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1211.7 1217.08 I mean you can't just put walls in in rooms without any specific authoris Yeah. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1208.92 1211.7 Because this is really related with security uh regulation as well. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1214.45 1217.43 Yeah, I think it's quite a heavy transformation of the building. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1219.91 1220.28 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1222.25 1223.09 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1223.09 1226 And okay, I'll try to find out. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1226 1234.28 And the other question is, can we squeeze maybe four people in the uh or at least four places in the three three P. room? 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1223.48 1224.17 At least at E. P. F. L. . 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1234.71 1238.76 If you organise the desks in a in a intelligent way. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1234.2 1234.71 I think so. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1238.88 1239.15 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1248.46 1257.48 So that's uh I have to to ask, so you don't really feel um very strongly attached to this uh grouping by projects idea? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1258.88 1259.9 Um 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1257.48 1258.88 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1239.76 1247.77 Yeah, hopefully visitors don't need as much say filing space, or um Yeah, they don't have that many papers. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1247.77 1248.46 Uh okay. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1242.53 1242.94 Yep. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1244.6 1245.46 Yeah, right, that's the point. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1256.24 1256.4 No. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1256.92 1257.15 No. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1258.82 1262.2 No, because they can share their ideas across the project, yeah, I would say. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1262.42 1264.03 Coffee machines are that made for that. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1265.28 1266.08 Yeah, exactly. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1265.29 1268.25 But uh usually, whe when new assistants come,
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1268.25 1275.63 they would like to share the room with someone that knows uh l uh it's related with the project, so he can 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1268.26 1268.59 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1274.75 1278.67 No, that's that's proximity doesn't play a big role there. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1278.67 1283.17 We can discuss with people that the the space is very small, I mean, altogether it's 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1275.01 1275.56 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1279.04 1281 Yeah, they they can change. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1282.95 1283.08 Mm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1284.08 1284.52 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1284.48 1290.77 And uh you don't y you don't need to discuss about the projects, you f more need about th to discuss about where is the printer,
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1297.63 1299.05 This is not project related. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1290.77 1297.63 how do I get furniture, I'm I don't have a a pencil, where is the the box with the pencils, and so on. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1284.77 1285.39 No, okay. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1300.9 1301.3 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1301.64 1301.86 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1307.03 1313.27 uh Bruno and Agnes are sharing an office and they're working on totally different projects and and they're they're just fine with that. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1302.13 1307.03 No, and if you look now at their uh the the current division of the offices, for example 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1311.12 1311.69 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1311.52 1311.82 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1314.44 1314.63 Yeah 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1325.16 1330.08 Um, are you aware f of any strong constraints right now? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1314.63 1325.16 I think that's that's going to be one of the the main things we'll have to ask is whether people have strong preferences either in staying with someone or in uh not staying. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1336 1342.24 because before we were grouping the smokers and now that there's no smoking, uh I guess that's not very important option, though 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1330.42 1336 Well, there there were, but they sort of disappeared as of October when the no smoking rule came in,
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1336.85 1337.08 Oh. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1337.19 1337.75 Yeah, that's true. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1342.52 1343.46 Okay, yeah, that's true. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1343.46 1348.01 So smoking is now um no longer a constraint. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1347.12 1351.74 Well, except for that maybe you don't even want anybody smoking on your balcony, so 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1352.62 1352.97 Yeah. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1352.77 1356.64 Is it allowed to smoke inside an office, if it's a one person No, not any more. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1355.26 1355.57 No. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1356.4 1356.47 No. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1356.84 1360.26 No, n it's in in principle it's a it's a no smoking building. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1361.54 1364.54 So you can go outside onto the balcony to smoke. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1360.26 1361.54 You can smoke outside. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1365.72 1365.88 No. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1364.54 1365.72 Not even in the cafeteria. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1357.27 1358.52 It's non-smoking campus. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1361.44 1361.63 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1362.87 1364.92 Not even in the cafeteria? 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1364.92 1365.43 Downstairs? 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1366.31 1370.3 Full no smoking building for all of the six thousand students. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1366.44 1366.67 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1366.67 1368.5 That's the new regulation. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1366.83 1367.15 Okay. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1367.91 1368.16 Wow. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1368.28 1371.12 On the roof maybe. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1374.22 1374.69 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1374.69 1375.25 Normally. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1372.45 1374.22 Uh on the balcony, actually. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1374.07 1374.27 Yep. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1373.46 1374.07 Yeah. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1373.62 1374.41 The balcony, okay. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1375.3 1376.58 There is the there's that terrace. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1376.82 1377.94 But Andre, uh just a 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1376.88 1380.29 Wow, there there's no place in inside the building? 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1380.29 1384.2 Wow, E. T. P. F. L. is a c it's a non-smoking campus, but there are some places tha 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1379.39 1379.53 No. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1407.72 1414.72 where people are with other peoples and they will find politically correct ways to tell you that uh they don't want to have a view on the mountains,
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1402.47 1405.29 But uh you can get them through a proposal. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1390.82 1395.67 I I don't think that anyone will provide you information such as who doesn't want to be with whom. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1414.72 1419.68 but they prefer to have view on the old town, so they would be in the toilets. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1395.67 1400.97 That's a typical uh output of ex uh research in expert systems. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1384.96 1387.72 Still some places where smokers can survive. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1419.68 1422.12 They would um p prefer to be in another room. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1400.97 1402.47 These are the rules that you never get. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1405.29 1407.72 So you propose a set-up 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1387.72 1390.82 But Andre, just a comment abou about your your previous uh request. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1386.08 1388.25 Yeah yeah yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1388.73 1388.96 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1388.21 1388.73 Yeah. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1404.18 1404.55 The other way. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1406.55 1407.31 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1417.37 1421.82 O on the toilets or 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1421.85 1422.26 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1422.47 1428.14 No, we we do have one constraint that's difficult, which is uh Gisella, because when she's there she's very noisy. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1426.81 1427.02 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1427 1428.12 Yeah. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1428.17 1428.43 Yeah. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1429.09 1432.12 She's on the phone a lot It's just it's by Yeah. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1432.12 1437.45 It's by nat uh by the nature of her work that uh a lot of it is communication. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1437.45 1437.65 Yeah. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1429.41 1433.07 But that's a sec s that's the admin that's the admin uh so it's part of the work. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1433.07 1433.22 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1440.44 1442.81 Yeah the in she's the interface. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1436.51 1440.44 Yes, Martin said also for him and, yeah, especially for her. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1435.37 1436.51 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1442.81 1444.58 So Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1439.83 1439.92 Yep. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1442.71 1443.9 And that that's a problem, you're right 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1452.26 1458.51 And uh if you put two person persons or three persons for the admin space, who who who else would you put in there? 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1443.9 1452.26 because because we don't have a one person we d we don't have enough one person rooms for uh accommodating the uh the admin place. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1448.57 1448.81 Yep. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1459.1 1459.69 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1471.98 1473.93 Maybe you could put some visitors, but um 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1459.76 1470.15 Because we don't have any assistant manager or we don't have We have only one half part half-time uh admin and no other non-researcher positions, if I'm not mistaken. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1470.15 1471.98 And this is really a piece of a problem. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1470.61 1472.08 Yep. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1472.08 1472.51 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1475.1 1477.01 Yeah, I think Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1484.37 1488.67 it would be nice, but uh Okay, I'll try to find out, but uh 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1477.01 1477.86 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1477.86 1484.37 I think putting Gisella with the other admin of the school is not an option, because we weren't offered Yeah,
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1475.11 1475.53 I know. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1475.53 1479.02 It's not very uh realistic in a in a in an admin room, but uh 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1485.05 1486.43 Why don't we ask about that? 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1481.83 1485.05 I think that's a excellent idea. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1486.48 1487.94 Yeah, because 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1488.05 1489.67 You can't put a researcher there. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1489.67 1494.54 That's just Either you lose one position or you find another admin or assistant manager. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1491.7 1492.13 I th 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1495.83 1496.35 Yeah. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1506.08 1506.65 So um 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1496.58 1500.05 I mean there is certainly enough space uh down the hall,
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1500.05 1506.08 wi if all of those uh uh offices that are, where half of them are also half time, and they're very under-used. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1500.2 1500.37 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1514.74 1517.42 you know, people just don't wanna change in general. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1506.6 1514.74 Okay, we'll try, but all these, yeah, are say sort of difficult questions because they involve changing also the offices of the school and,
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1517.42 1523.2 Um, let's see, maybe we can find some temporary well, at least a proposal for Gisella. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1532.37 1532.66 Okay. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1523.2 1532.37 So, since the one-person rooms are quite, well, sort of um desired by a lot of people, she should probably No, y Yeah. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1513.73 1513.88 Yep. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1539.52 1545.44 because some of, typically, the professors have good reasons for sharing. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1561.05 1563.6 The other thing is to take a two person room for the admin. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1551.84 1553.34 In that case it's it's realistic. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1531.2 1539.52 Uh the there are To me there are two options possible is either you we can take one of the one person rooms for the admin,
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1563.6 1570.42 That could be the one uh close to the uh close to the here in the centre so uh the Yeah. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1545.44 1551.84 Sharing either with a colleague or sharing uh with some of their uh one of their P. H. D. students. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1553.34 1559.21 Then we could very very simply uh allocate the one pers one of the one person rooms for the admin. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1559.21 1561.05 And that would solve the problem. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1529.75 1531.2 No that's not sure that's not sure. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1539.54 1539.97 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1545.15 1545.61 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1563.92 1564.42 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1569.33 1570.97 Uh, the the middle one here? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1570.97 1571.27 Okay. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1570.9 1574.66 But tha No no no, the other one, the the one op Yeah, here, this one. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1574.66 1580.42 But then uh that the the question of what do we do with the second position there remains fully open. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1573.43 1574.01 This one. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1574.01 1574.32 Okay. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1580.62 1581.71 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1581.71 1582.32 Well 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1581.56 1586.44 So I would be I would be more of the opinion to to see whether it's it's so evident that,
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1594.54 1595.47 If they really 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1586.44 1594.54 let's say the at least the two full full-time professors that are here on the list, we have one here, but uh Maggie is is not present. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1592.64 1592.9 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1594.23 1594.72 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1595.28 1596.43 And Pierrette too. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1597.56 1606.33 If if if because of personal preferences they would be happy with a two person room, which might or might not be the case. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1606.33 1610.53 I mean it's it's certainly not uh something that we should impose, but we can ask. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1596.92 1597.56 Yeah, and Pierrette. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1597.24 1597.68 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1597.68 1598.16 Yeah, well 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1604.73 1605.03 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1607.24 1607.48 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1610.76 1612.32 Yeah, because in this case, yeah,
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1609.38 1610.76 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1612.32 1618.87 Gisella could take one of the the two person rooms and the other place would be for some kind of visitor, that 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1618 1619.41 Yeah, but that's not realistic either. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1619.41 1625.2 I mean, you have you have a fore foreign researcher coming visiting you and you will put put him in the admin office? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1620.83 1622.08 I or 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1625.8 1627.25 Okay. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1625.17 1625.8 Ah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1627.25 1628.43 Uh. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1627.3 1628.48 Uh you'll not do that. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1628.48 1631.86 I mean uh, maybe you can do that with an exchange student, that's 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1632.13 1633.9 Yeah, with with younger people, yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1634.31 1634.83 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1632.21 1634.31 Yeah, or an intern. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1634.28 1639.06 But you can't take a senior visitor and uh him in the in the secretary. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1636.73 1636.94 No. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1638.32 1644.21 So we we invite invite and then we say, okay you can sit with Gisella. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1640.66 1645.76 Uh you're here. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1643.82 1644.25 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1652.92 1660.13 Um, actually, yeah, maybe we should remind that quite a lot of professors at the at the school actually share their office with their assistant. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1660.13 1663.43 So b it looks like sort of an implicit tradition. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1645.71 1650.08 Okay so this sets a bit the stage for uh for Gisella then. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1644.25 1645.71 Okay. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1650.08 1652.92 Uh yeah we'll try to to find out. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1663.43 1665.78 Maybe not to be followed. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1662.95 1663.31 Um 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1663.7 1664.7 As Susan said, p 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1664.08 1666.56 Except for in every other faculty. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1667.14 1668.24 Okay. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1668.5 1668.87 Is that so? 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1667.39 1668.5 Yeah? 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1670.1 1679.04 Every other faculty as far as I have seen their offices and the people that I know and that's in um in law, 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1668.81 1670.1 Yes, it is so. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1669.93 1670.06 Oh. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1674.96 1675.31 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1679.68 1679.84 Yeah. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1685.69 1689.46 I mean in in the in the law faculty they're at best there half time. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1680.24 1682.99 uh socio-economics, uh okay? 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1682.99 1685.69 It's a They all have their own office. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1681.76 1682.13 Okay. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1686.48 1687.06 No no, that's it. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1689.74 1693.23 As we said, it's it's really a matter of personal preference, it cannot be something else. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1693.23 1694.66 It cannot be imposed for sure. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1694.66 1695.02 It's uh 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1690.33 1690.93 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1693.35 1693.53 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1701.98 1707.85 Uh could we try So could you try please to uh Do you want an extra uh piece of paper? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1696.39 1701.98 Um, okay so I think Well, this sets a bit uh the stage. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1707.85 1713.56 Maybe try to, well, think on your own and then talk a little bit just to the people around you. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1708.34 1708.88 job. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1720.17 1727.72 I can tell you according to what I know now where I would like or would be ready to be,
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1713.8 1720.17 Again uh uh um, Andre, I think that the only realistic way we can do is to speak for our for ourselves. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1727.72 1735.84 but I really don't see how I could decide for uh Maggie or Pierrette or whoever else on the list, that they should be there. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1720.95 1721.39 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1734.26 1739.56 No the point was to try to, well, just talk to them, to David, or 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1733.01 1734.26 Yeah. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1734.58 1735.45 We're gonna have to. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1747.73 1755.26 And then you will have this multi-constraint problem and uh you work during two hours and you come up with the optimal solution. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1737.33 1741.65 Yeah, b why why couldn't we do like couldn't we do it like for for the the set-up of meetings. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1741.65 1747.73 You you everyone received that and uh should provide Yeah, I would like to be here. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1745.86 1746.99 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1759.44 1760.64 Because Uh-huh. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1752.37 1753.36 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1753.36 1759.44 So w w w will you ask people just for their place or also for the other people's place? 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1758.92 1761.32 I mean that's that's that's the important thing you want to know. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1756.39 1758.92 Yeah, I would I would ask for their place. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1761.78 1762.72 Well, but that's 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1763.76 1769.5 I mean, we are going to purchase a cafeteria with a projector and all this altogether or Reading room, yeah. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1761.78 1763.76 W what abou what about the the the cafeteria? 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1769.5 1770.21 It's altogether. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1767.37 1768.09 Uh it's a reading room. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1769.61 1771.18 Reading room, it's not a cafeteria. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1771.81 1773.1 So in the living room 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1782.43 1784.79 Uh there has been a very long discussion about that. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1784.79 1789.54 I stinct uh this discussion is still vivid, that some of the people, I bel belong to these people,
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1795.88 1805.64 Or, as uh Susan said, a room an emergency room where you can put uh some visitors in a decent environment for for for for work 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1779.32 1782.43 uh reading the newspapers, et cetera, et cetera. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1772.31 1779.32 But that that's an open question whether it's a it's a it's a it At the origin it was supposed to be a f pure reading room for relaxing,
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1789.54 1795.88 would like to have a mixed room where you can have a reading room for sure, but also meeting room if necessary. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1805.64 1807.44 because you don't have any other place to do it. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1807.44 1814.38 But that's that's really an open discussion and that d I think no decision, no final decision has been taken about that. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1781.84 1782.1 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1804.13 1804.51 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1810.53 1810.78 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1812.6 1819.24 Okay, th then Okay then for the next time, um try to come up either with your own preferences 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1822.8 1828.21 or if you can poll a little bit the people around you, that would be I mean, even 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1819.24 1822.8 that's quite easy probably to state now that you know the constraints,
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1819.26 1819.52 Yes. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1822.7 1823.16 Yes. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1826.86 1830.1 The one that I don't want to have in the next room? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1841.01 1844.94 If you can do slides, it's even better, but uh don't be that formal. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1836.69 1841.01 And I think, yeah, it will be nice to to come with maybe a sketch of of these. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1830.12 1836.69 Well, just discuss i Yeah, for instance, I mean No, no, I was thinking just ask people around you what they think about this. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1844.94 1854.25 And uh we'll try to at least build up one coherent proposal, and we'll merge it with the other one when the other one uh is available. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1834.6 1834.89 Okay. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1853.84 1854.13 Okay. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1854.52 1860.73 Okay, I'll ask um uh Maggie and Pierrette uh if they have uh any preferences. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1858.2 1858.9 Oh, great. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1855.3 1858.2 Um. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1858.72 1859.75 That would be great. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1857.68 1858.72 That would be great. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1860.14 1861 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1861 1861.54 Perfect. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1861.08 1867.85 C that that of course is one of the main well not main but one of the important features that we need to know about. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1862.53 1862.72 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1864.56 1864.81 Yeah. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1865.77 1865.95 No. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1867.26 1872.29 Yeah, since they're not at the meeting I think it's in out of courtesy we should first ask them. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1868.86 1869.26 Yes. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1870.18 1871.44 And I'll try to 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1871.24 1871.72 Yes. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1871.75 1876.08 Bu I ju just before finishing uh, I mean, we have a cafeteria or we don't eat at all? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1872.51 1872.73 Fine. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1876.59 1877.99 We don't have cafeteria. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1877.03 1879.32 What do you mean by cafeteria exactly? 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1878.16 1879.06 He means reading room. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1878.9 1882.03 A place n what mm uh we can take a coffee also. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1880.81 1881.12 What 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1882.69 1884.33 No, there is no coffee in the reading room. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1884.58 1884.71 No? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1885.03 1888.33 Yeah, w we can bring your coffee in the reading room, but 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1885.21 1890.24 That was the wrong We we did not have any money for buying the coffee machines, so 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1904.92 1906.19 So uh yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1902.31 1904.92 No uh automatic uh coffee machines. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1894.66 1900.55 there are at least two um coffee machines in the building, one at the third floor, one at the first floor. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1889.67 1894.66 So so since maybe, you're a part-time here, and part-ti part-time at E. P. F. L. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1900.55 1902.31 And we can bring our coffee. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1906.19 1907.74 But, in 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1900.36 1902.44 But they close at five or? 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1902.44 1903.45 Ah okay. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1903.18 1903.37 No. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1903.37 1904.06 Coffee machines. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1904.32 1904.96 Okay, okay. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1906.02 1910.15 No, there's the cafeteria is downstairs, but they close at five. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1908.05 1909.04 Yeah, yeah, this. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1908.79 1908.9 Uh-huh. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1910.04 1910.52 Five. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1910.18 1912.76 Ah that's the main problem. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1911.35 1919.33 Yeah, but there's the two machines, and they're uh the vending machines where you just put the money and and you can get Yeah. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1919.33 1919.63 Yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1911.88 1912.17 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1930.12 1931.75 Maybe at eleven o'clock? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1919.68 1922.05 Yeah, maybe this is not a very bad timing. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1926.8 1930.12 Um, next Tuesday maybe at t maybe a bit later? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1917.21 1918.38 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1922.05 1926.8 Could we try to meet uh next Tuesday? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1915.76 1917.21 Yeah, vending machines. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1918.38 1919.68 Okay. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1917.19 1919.31 And you can bring your coffee in the reading room. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1917.29 1917.57 Okay. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1922.52 1924.32 T to try the coffee? 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1926.65 1926.81 Wait. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1931.83 1932.6 Next Tuesday. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1930.96 1931.83 Wait, wai wai wai wait. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1931.7 1932.34 Wait, wait. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1932.34 1933.61 Tuesday um 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1934.6 1936.11 Come on, try try to be nice. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1936.44 1939.31 Uh, well well well well, not so easy, eh? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1938.5 1940.52 Gi give me a reasonable date. 
IB4003 H01 MIO094 1938.89 1942.58 Yes, I ha I have no constraints, so it's fine. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1940.42 1940.52 Ch 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1940.64 1947.35 Um we have the don't forget we have the other meeting the M. D. M. meeting in the morning, so it would have to be in the afternoon. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1942.61 1944.34 Yeah, for me it's a good timing. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1947.72 1948.95 Uh-huh, okay. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1948.32 1950.16 Next Tuesday we have a meeting, yeah. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1952.31 1953.52 It's Unimail? 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1950.16 1952.31 That might be Where is the meeting? 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1949.36 1949.84 Yeah. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1949.84 1950.32 Exactly. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1953.89 1953.98 Yeah. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1954.99 1957.63 Okay, so, yeah yeah, then it could be that 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1956.76 1959.66 At nine thirty, but we could do we could have this meeting then in the afternoon. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1959.66 1960.29 Nah? 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1959.1 1964.61 That that would be great, because that would allow us not to move, or not to travel twice. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1958.04 1959.1 That yeah. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1959.65 1960.26 Okay. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1961.36 1961.6 Mm-hmm. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1971.43 1975.4 Um, then let me close this. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1963.23 1964.11 Very well. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1965.28 1966.2 Would that be okay? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1966.2 1967.26 After lunch. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1964.11 1965.28 So about two o'clock? 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1967.26 1971.43 It's not a very demanding meeting, so um Perfect. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1963.91 1965.44 Yep. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1966.68 1967.44 Yeah. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1967.44 1967.66 Okay. 
IB4003 H02 FIE037 1965.44 1966.68 Okay. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1968.69 1969.22 Yep. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1969.22 1969.41 Okay. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1968.01 1968.69 Right. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1966.38 1968.01 Yeah, after lunch. 
IB4003 H00 MIO036 1977.07 1982.11 And uh good luck for your arrangement games. 
IB4003 H03 MIO039 1981.59 1981.83 Thank you. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 0.07 5.09 Hey look, these are microphones they uh they're for women's shirts. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 8.11 9.32 No no it's the opposite. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 9.88 13.58 Um okay, so um let's start. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 30.18 38.29 Uh I hope you had fun in uh, well, designing something or uh asking the people about their preferences and uh things like this. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 68.29 75.59 working places to to put um may I first uh provide the answers to the the questions from the last time? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 42.05 48.55 Um so um well, I think you remember all the constraints and the new settings,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 63.36 68.29 And we had about fifteen people and some uh spare uh spare mm well 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 58.21 63.36 Um and so that makes, I think, eighteen places. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 53.7 58.21 So we have these one person, two person and three person rooms. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 18.97 30.18 I hope it won't be too long and especially that we'll make some progress on uh this uh on this small task that is putting people in our new rooms. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 15.93 18.97 Um thanks for coming again to this meeting. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 38.29 42.05 So yeah, that's what I was talking about, it's for women's shirts. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 48.55 53.7 I think, you'll be more and more used to it as as soon as we move. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 75.63 78.31 And I also checked with uh Maggie and Pierrette. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 94.67 101.13 we have to do with this setting and uh it's it's quite difficult to make new doors and new walls 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 79.67 84.59 So that will be part of the your uh your solution or suggestions to solution. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 101.13 106.27 so I think we shouldn't count on them in the next uh four years maybe. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 84.59 94.67 But regarding the constraints um there is no immediate plan to to make separations between the rooms so that means basically well 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 115.1 120.18 which we could understand, because it's sort of full over there, but uh at least that's what they said. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 106.27 115.1 And they don't want us to sh I mean they don't want to provide an extra working space for Gisella with the other I. T. admins,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 78.48 79.67 Oh, great, yeah. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 107.6 108.15 Great. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 119.67 122.19 Come now, it's not full over there. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 155.16 157.04 It should be possible to put four persons. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 152.88 155.16 So uh the one uh here. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 129.12 133.09 Though it wouldn't be a bad thing maybe, but uh we'll see. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 121.77 129.12 So it seems we uh yeah the well, we cannot change the habits of the whole school just for us. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 133.09 139.55 So regarding the possibility to put four people in one of the two uh three person rooms,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 146.8 152.88 It it looks like it's not impossible, at least on the one that is a bit uh longer, on on the right. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 157.04 161.83 If we could avoid it, it would much simplify things, but uh, well, we'll see. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 139.55 146.8 um well, it's not very easy, we'll have to play uh quite uh quite wisely with the furnishing. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 160.76 166.18 The the question is is it is it against the regulation security regulation of the school. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 166.18 167.41 That's that's the important point. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 166.25 166.85 No no no. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 165.38 166.25 No. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 165.87 167.02 No uh no. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 167.02 169.8 And and I and I went over and I looked at that room, too. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 169.8 171.45 There's plenty of space for four people. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 171.75 171.97 Okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 179.84 188.19 so maybe we could count on on four places, but the final decision is not really ours, so uh we'll see actually this 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 172.31 173.32 Yeah, I think, yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 173.32 179.84 It it's more a matter of how to arrange the furniture, but uh since we are experts at this task uh okay,
IB4004 H02 FIE037 176.57 176.8 Yeah. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 186.87 189.53 That would be fine if one of the person is fifty per cent. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 189.53 190.46 So me, for example. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 209.1 210.15 It's uh 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 206.38 209.1 Would you like me to start or would you like me to end? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 191.01 196.58 Or one of the intern positions, the people who might come or something like that. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 190.43 191.01 Exactly. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 200.93 206.38 So actually I I did my uh my proposal as a slide. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 196.58 200.93 Um okay so these were the um the answers. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 191.98 193.16 Ah. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 194.63 195.21 Exactly. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 195.21 195.39 Yeah. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 206.95 207.73 Mm. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 207.73 217.16 Well just t just to uh uh complete uh, I talked both with Maggie and Pierrette and both of them are happy to share offices. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 217.16 218.38 They have no problem whatsoever. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 208.15 208.56 Please. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 214 214.71 Oh, great. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 226.4 231.5 uh and and Maggie, for example, to share with uh it could be with Bruno,
IB4004 H02 FIE037 219.19 226.4 Uh they're they're easy, but uh could be uh as Pierrette has right now, that she cou she is happy to continue to share with uh Marianne,
IB4004 H02 FIE037 231.5 235.08 because they work on the SwissTra together and they like to gossip together, so. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 226.68 226.9 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 231.85 232.96 Okay, okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 237.07 243.58 Okay, then let me um explain very briefly the the rationale for for this. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 235.43 237.07 Beautiful. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 243.58 246.78 So it's the same uh schema that you know. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 253.09 253.97 Um hello. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 246.78 253.09 In red you have the uh uh oh, excuse me, that's quite uh annoying, excuse me. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 235.82 236.54 That looks good. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 235.45 235.82 Yes. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 260.73 262.82 I'm just in the middle of a meeting and I'm talking. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 256.57 260.73 Oh, yeah, um, can I can I call you a bit later in about half an hour. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 259.6 262.85 People sh yeah that's 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 259.68 262.2 People who don't turn off their phone in a meeting. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 262.2 264.02 It's fantastic. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 280.33 282.57 Um so the names are in red. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 264.32 265.73 Oh okay, thank you. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 274.86 280.33 Okay, so, let me get back to into the proposal after the brief interruption. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 269.79 272.56 Fortunately we were just uh the four of us. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 292.57 298.32 because I I think that sometimes they ju they just discuss together and uh it's easier if they are in the same office. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 282.57 292.57 Now um well, one of the reasons at least for me for doing this was to more or less group people uh with within projects 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 272.56 274.86 Um. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 267.95 269.79 Um, sorry for this. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 265.73 267.95 Bye-bye. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 265.77 269.38 Let me check that I I di I didn't. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 269.38 269.58 S 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 298.81 305.64 And um which is quite happy actually, I I also thought that some professors might enjoy,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 305.64 310.04 or at least uh don't don't say anything about, being with their assistants. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 310.04 319.07 So I was happy to hear Susan uh saying that Maggie and Bruno could well together, and Pierrette and uh Marianne in in the same office. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 311.27 311.66 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 352.9 353.39 I don't know. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 333.4 335.5 I put the lounge in the middle. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 339.49 345.58 So I think that's not a problem, because you're not going to just stay there and stare outside. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 335.5 339.49 It's also one of the rooms with the fewer uh the fewest uh windows. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 328.81 333.4 well, having her own office, so uh it's it's it's working like this. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 345.58 352.9 Uh but it's it's nicer to have a nicer view from your office, I guess. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 353.39 358.3 Yeah, maybe, I thought in an angle, but that's obviously not very 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 320.36 328.81 Um so what I can say is uh that I also understood that Susan would be rather in favour of uh,
IB4004 H02 FIE037 330.37 331.33 Yes. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 349.32 351.96 Yeah, but putting the printer in the lounge is just killing the lounge. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 355.96 360.27 It's not a question where it is, it's a question of you are printing all the time so 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 356.72 357.65 No yeah. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 359.41 361.54 Yeah, why not put the printer out in the hallway? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 360.44 361.66 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 361.66 365.53 Okay and so next to the photocopy maybe it wouldn't be a bad place. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 366.62 368.31 Okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 365.53 366.62 Here? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 361.79 362.28 uh 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 361.79 364 Yeah, that's that's a possible. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 364.81 365.96 Yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 365.96 366.32 Why not? 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 366.26 369.23 It is there enough space there for a photocopy and printer. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 380.59 385.42 So okay, but uh I wouldn't well insist on this I think okay, so the printer,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 385.42 389.92 well, we'll remove it if we work from this uh this solution. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 394.94 406.03 Um I said more or less um uh upper uh lower left side uh you have SwissTra and, so the two projects from the list. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 376.96 380.59 maybe one day we'll have a photocopy that is also a printer. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 389.92 394.94 So uh I. M. two is more or less in the upper left side. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 406.03 410.3 And then on the on the right side. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 370.36 376.96 Yeah, we'll have to check tha yeah, but the printer is quite small if we fi find just a small table for it. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 370.76 372.4 The photocopy is a bit big. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 431.33 435.16 Uh if you want we can use this document or we could just, say 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 410.64 413.26 Maybe not a ver a very good solution for Gisella. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 413.26 420.93 If you can suggest something uh better, because she's with two people who uh well, two P. H. D. students,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 420.93 428.64 and it's true that she has, yeah, a lot of phone calls to make, but um it's some way to to solve some constraints. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 435.16 441.55 first listen to your suggestions and see if we erase everything or just do some modifications using this one. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 428.64 431.33 I think this is a very open thing. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 440.82 442.88 Well, I've a question. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 442.88 446.07 What's the justification for giving Nancy her own office? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 462.27 469.07 she's a smoker, but the policy is that we don't smoke, so it's even better if she's uh with a second person. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 449.86 453.19 Then they maybe you are you have better suggestions. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 459.19 462.27 yeah, there is no strong constraint and uh well,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 453.19 459.19 Um it was I think sort of one of the uh places they re that remain and I I think,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 447.28 449.86 Um yeah, maybe not a very strong one. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 464.02 471.88 uh I would have I would have a provocative suggestion to put Gisella to switch Nancy and Gisella. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 465.53 466.72 Mm doesn't help, yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 472.92 474.18 Uh-huh. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 474.18 474.7 Okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 474.13 481.3 Put Gisella, the fax, and the printing machine the printer in the one person room as a as a 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 480.23 480.69 Uh-huh. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 484.03 489.7 We tried that and Gisella really didn't like to have a printer and people in and out all the time and uh 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 480.24 484.03 Well, Gisella will not be very happy about that uh. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 487.36 491.07 Okay, so the printer that's that's not the s not the hard constraint but uh 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 488.85 489.33 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 490.21 494.03 Uh remember Andrei, that was uh yeah yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 491.85 497.52 Yeah, that was the case and uh she was a bit uh reluctant, but 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 490.63 491.85 Yeah mm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 494.69 496.48 'Cause I really do think it's important to have 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 504.31 509.86 where yeah, you can close it, you have the personal files of the of the people of the of the of the unit etcetera, etcetera. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 497.46 504.31 an admin room clearly identified as an admin room and only an admin room, where you have files,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 498.59 498.99 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 502.31 505.84 Yeah, we could store files there and things like that. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 505.84 506.03 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 510.37 514.98 Okay, so if you want I can already do this change here. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 512.05 519.39 So for instance I be fully against the fact that my personal files are in f in a in a room that is not specifically dedicated for that. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 521.67 525.87 Because the professors uh, you have personal printer or there is only one printer? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 521.74 524.04 Sorry you're 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 528.15 528.79 Um. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 528.76 531.65 Because if not the person the printer can go in a room of three people. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 532.73 536.38 That's typical of case where there's the lab and there's the printer is there. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 535.21 536.59 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 537.42 539.82 printer can be in the in the in the corridor. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 539.82 541.9 That's uh that's uh that's perfectly alright. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 542.76 550.54 We have a secondary one which we could try to accommodate in another room, but it's basically, yeah, the peop the the printer where everybody prints. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 539.24 542.76 Yeah, th yeah th when the printer is, yeah, it's it's the main one. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 550.54 553.26 Um so I change this. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 554.55 561.25 So maybe I would suggest let me le k can I hear also let us hear from you. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 572.01 572.54 Um. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 561.25 567.77 And then if we can work out a solu a common solution from this one, then we go back to to this slide. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 567.77 572.01 And if not, um we'll just, well start from scratch. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 571.71 575.23 I'm perfectly alright to share the room with you has a view on the old town. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 575.23 576.33 That's um 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 578.13 578.69 Okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 577.1 578.13 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 578.66 586.54 You have to be aware of what I was saying last time was that you have to suffer some suffer from fro from phone calls. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 582.2 582.41 Yeah. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 583.24 584.41 Lot's of phone calls. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 584.41 584.54 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 586.9 587.7 Yeah, I'll try. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 587.7 590.12 I'll bring my walkman and uh 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 588.53 592.02 So if you have a walkman that's that's good. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 590.68 594.07 Earplugs uh whatever. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 593.38 594.76 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 594.76 598.53 Uh David, you had also uh what's 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 597.41 604.23 Yeah, okay, for me uh, as uh I don't know l uh the people a lot,
IB4004 H01 MIO094 625.22 625.66 This one. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 612.59 625.22 I would try to share them with the women so uh for example in your slide I could uh switch either you or Martin with uh uh the other room. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 604.23 612.59 uh you suggested that uh there's a la a lack of men s so, I would re certainly put uh not two men in the same office. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 612.89 613.07 Ah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 633.47 635.96 So so you would put uh 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 627.58 629.25 Oh let me put the plan, sorry. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 629.25 631.83 I will display uh yeah, this is the empty one. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 626.75 627.58 Uh-huh. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 631.83 633.47 I don't want to influence you. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 627.79 628.27 So. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 629.36 630.74 Yes please. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 635.11 638.92 So, yeah, you have to show us which one you were talking about David, we didn't 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 638.39 638.61 Yeah. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 639.42 642.16 Yeah yeah, I was wanting to change this wa 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 641.41 641.66 Yeah. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 641.85 642.78 Ah the centre room. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 643.39 645.91 you can you can even stand and just show us there. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 642.75 643.39 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 643.21 643.42 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 645.58 650.46 Yeah, but I need your uh your slide, because I was talking about your slide. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 650.82 652.73 Okay, so we would prefer the names. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 652.73 661.17 Okay I I don't want to influence you too much, but uh mm I'm perfectly happy to start with this as the basis and then change things. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 661.85 666.08 Yeah, because there are plenty of things that are that are okay so uh 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 664.2 670.52 Yes, so here you can see that the the the men is I mean, they are always sh sharing the room with a g with a woman. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 670.52 676.72 I mean, there's Bruno, me, uh Pierrette and Nikos is a guy also. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 665.22 667.03 Yeah, maybe in different, just 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 678.06 678.74 Oh 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 676.97 678.06 Uh-huh. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 677.21 679.89 Yeah but for Pierrette an and Maggie it's uh it's. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 681.06 684.57 It's a wish or it's uh it's because they 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 685.93 687.87 Yeah, it's the feminine of Pierre. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 682.63 685.93 Or actually, Pierrette is a woman too. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 682.14 682.63 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 684.91 686.26 Oh. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 686.26 687.41 Sorry for this. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 689.32 695.23 So I mean, this is perfectly fine, I will just send Martin and Andrei for Maria or or Yalina or Nancy, maybe. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 688.6 689.32 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 696.65 697.43 So 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 696.66 698.67 I didn't get your solution. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 698.67 699.33 What was it again? 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 702.24 704.79 So I mea yeah. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 699.7 702.24 Yeah, here there are two men. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 705.71 710.63 I don't think I mean there's a lack of men here, in in in this in this lab. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 710.63 712.93 So I would change one, switch one. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 704.79 705.71 I it's nice. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 701.5 701.7 So? 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 702.47 704 Uh he wants to mix sexes. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 704.18 704.63 Uh-huh. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 704.92 706.32 Ah, okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 705.69 707.04 bad. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 714.11 714.47 Yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 714.23 720.06 But that's not so much a question of uh men or women, it's more the question of, as I said, that's uh 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 722.13 726.29 Um here you have only P. you have P. H. D. students that are a group. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 726.29 730.7 There you have s senior researchers that are a group, which is to me more 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 728.13 728.54 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 738.62 741.5 I think that's a very efficient way of doing things, because 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 731.53 738.62 Unless it corresponds to some specific demand like it is in the case in Maggie Maggie's case and Pierrette's case. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 733.97 734.22 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 740.69 741.02 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 749.2 753.72 and, Martin, so I'm very happy with you since I proposed it. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 760.01 769.34 Okay, so let's keep in mind, maybe, this uh constraint of balancing the the genders uh we'll see if we can uh do something for it. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 753.72 758.49 But I could also be happy with most of the other people, so even in a three person room. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 742.34 749.2 Yeah, and for me it's also uh I would prefer maybe not to be in a three person office, just to be a bit calmer,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 758.49 760.01 It's it's fine. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 746.79 751.96 Yeah, mm I'm perfectly happy with with Andrei so. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 756.82 758.09 Sure but um 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 770.51 773.21 Andrei did you ask these people if this was okay with them? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 783.89 791.45 And it's also people that I know um get on well quite quite well together, and also work on the same project, like for instance,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 779.23 783.89 I mean the the present arrangement, just not to to shock people too much. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 791.45 798.38 Marianne, uh uh the Finnish Marianne, and uh Nikos who interact quite a lot on uh on. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 773.65 779.23 Uh I've asked some of them, and I've also used a little bit uh what I've well,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 798.38 806.09 Um, yeah, Maria and Yalina seem uh to go on one quite quite well. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 815.11 822.82 Um yeah, so I think, well, at least as far as I I asked there was no major objection. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 807.21 815.11 Uh Nancy had no strong preference, specially since she's no longer allowed to smoke in in her office. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 822.2 826.81 But isn't there just a a a question of proximity you put David with Agnes? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 828.23 830.72 Um but isn't Agnes working 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 833.04 840.08 um in a in a more substantial way in uh with people like uh either Maria or Yalina? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 842.34 843.87 Um. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 847.94 854.4 I um so we could put Nancy with David and uh put Agnes yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 846.77 847.94 That's true. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 844.98 846.77 Yeah, that's true. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 845.38 845.78 Yes. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 850.75 851.64 'Cause 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 853.28 855.53 Yeah, but Agnes is also working with David, so 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 855.62 861.43 but we agree that it's not important to to share the room with someone that has the same project. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 855.86 857.05 Yeah, yeah, I I know. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 859.92 860.3 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 861.65 865.48 the other constraints are are satisfied somehow so 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 860.25 861.65 No, that's true that's true. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 866.27 866.8 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 867.23 872.56 quite happy to have the the full room some fifty per cent of the time. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 874.12 879.99 Yeah, that's a small advantage and uh I it's a bit more uh more comfortable, actually. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 879.99 880.36 Um. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 897.42 897.65 Correct? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 880.03 885.53 No but what I mean it was was the three the two three person rooms, I think that they can mix them the way they want. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 885.53 891.93 I mean if they prefer to be uh Maria tha uh Yalina and Nikos, and Nancy and Marianne on the other side well,
IB4004 H03 MIO039 891.93 897.42 no that's not completely equivalent, because Nancy all are P. H. D. students or masters students, but Nancy. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 880.1 880.89 Yeah, but there's 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 897.98 898.63 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 900.73 903.76 Yeah, but that doesn't mat that's not important. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 902.92 903.26 Oh. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 912.14 916.41 that wouldn't it maybe be better to put David in, since he's only half-time. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 916.41 917.85 So that way, then 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 904.45 912.14 There w one question I was wondering about though, 'cause three is always uh well the more people in a office uh the less ideal,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 904.66 905.78 Yeah, maybe. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 910.71 911.09 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 911.85 912.61 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 916.28 916.56 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 917.7 918.63 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 918.63 919.3 Very good. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 919.3 919.88 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 918.59 918.72 Yeah. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 918.61 920.46 there's not three people all the time. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 919.76 920.77 Yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 920.77 922.68 So I would switch David and Nancy typically. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 923.26 924.49 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 924.49 925.44 Yeah, probably 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 927.04 928.36 He could be in the other one. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 935.79 940.58 But I definitely would put uh Nancy with Agnes in the two person room. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 924.76 927.04 Which doesn't mean that David should be in this room. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 928.36 935.79 For me uh the two three people rooms are really they have to be uh re-shuffled according to people personal preferences. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 928.45 928.91 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 932.83 933.1 Yeah. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 934.48 934.8 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 935.61 938.01 So Agnes has worked 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 946.01 951.58 Um at yeah, I mean 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 941.34 946.01 They they have worked together on, so this makes some sense. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 940.67 941.34 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 944.29 945.09 Yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 949.38 952.59 I mean you you can't be in a room with person you don't want to be with. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 947.43 949.38 But again, it's also a question of personal preference. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 952.76 958.15 Yeah, as far as I know I think it's probably quite a good uh uh good match. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 957.36 961.87 Is there anyone that is going to finish P. H. D. or or leave or 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 961.14 963.33 Uh no. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 963.33 967.7 Uh Maria is Maria is the closest, but she's still not uh uh yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 963.98 968.19 First one should be Maria, but it's still uh one and a half. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 968.19 971.2 Okay, let's switch uh 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 975.56 981.51 because David will be part time and the other one not so overloaded, because there is uh one free position uh 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 981.51 985.53 knowing that this one free position uh will not stay free very long. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 968.68 969.92 I see if you do it this way,
IB4004 H03 MIO039 969.92 975.56 you mean that in the two three people room there will be one that is not so overloaded, because of David,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 975.05 976.68 Mm-hmm, yeah. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 985.8 989.61 No, because don't forget we already have somebody coming in uh January. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 989.73 990.73 Yes so 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 990.8 991.71 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 992.2 993.17 At least one person. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 993.12 995.14 I'll just uh 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 993.73 1000.71 And this is still a worry for me, because we are still we don't still still don't have enough space for the visitors. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1002.72 1004.24 Unless we put them in the lounge. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1003.06 1007.9 Mm yeah, I I don't think 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1002.8 1003.06 Yeah. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1006.05 1008.56 Or we make four space in the three people rooom. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1004.95 1006.05 Yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1005.71 1006.51 Therefore I w 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1008.78 1008.96 Yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1008.13 1008.78 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1010.85 1018.53 Yeah, so s s okay so since we are supposed to do a final proposal. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1018.53 1024.06 Sorry, uh let me move the printer um next to the photocopier. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1011.35 1016.34 We need to have at least three visitors' position, because positions, because 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1021.38 1022.02 Outside. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1024.38 1024.63 Yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1024.4 1024.52 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1025.28 1026.33 Okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1026.33 1032.48 And we'll find some way to um, well, attach it to a wall or something like this. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1032.46 1034.27 So that we keep it, you mean. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1043.56 1046.56 Uh I don't think we can put visitors in the lounge, it's uh 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1038.06 1043.56 Um okay, so that's the uh mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1035.19 1038.06 Yeah, I think so, yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1046.27 1048.71 It depends it depends on how we think about the lounge. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1055.56 1063.99 Do we do we put priority on the fact of being able to read newspapers in our in our offices or in our uh work place? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1048.71 1050.9 If it's thought as being a reading room. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1063.99 1065.5 We can read newspapers elsewhere. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1051.45 1055.56 If it's thought as the que that that's really a very important question to me. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1050.9 1051.45 No. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1051.78 1052.18 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1049.83 1051.78 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1066.01 1066.39 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1077.53 1080.43 know we can go to the cafeteria or you can sit somewhere else. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1075.72 1077.53 Newspapers you can read them home. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1080.43 1082.78 You can go on the balcony if it's if it's in the summer. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1082.78 1091.28 So I I don't understand why we why we should put priority on lounges if we if we don't have enough space for accommodating visitors. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1066.66 1075.72 And I really do think it's more important for lab to be able to decently uh welcome visitors that come to the lab than to have a place for reading newspapers. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1091.28 1094.17 That's just not not according to my priorities. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1080.09 1080.36 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1084.16 1085.03 It's 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1090.99 1091.53 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1092.97 1093.25 How 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1108.64 1112.34 Susan, you are very happy with this solution, so okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1103.41 1108.64 W I I know they are actually quite uh quite demanded, so um I th I think,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1112.34 1113.02 In Gisell 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1098.73 1103.41 Like in, well, in in one of the one person offices? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1094.35 1098.73 how would it be to put the lounge in one of the smaller offices? 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1110.13 1113.55 Yes, yes. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1110.47 1117.85 S so let's let's put the lounge in Susan's office, and Susan's in Susan in the lounge with three visitors mm? 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1114.42 1119.16 That's an excellent idea. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 1116.98 1120.21 No, but a lounge in a one person room is really too small. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1119.83 1121.35 Yeah, it's probably too small. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1121.35 1123.11 Okay, yeah, doesn't work. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1123.11 1124.34 Mm. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1120.51 1122.42 It's too small for a uh yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1144.11 1146.76 That's just not that's just not realistic. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1123.17 1125.04 I would advocate to just remove the lounge. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1128.99 1135.42 It's let's be you you cannot you cannot go at the at the at the at the in front of your colleagues and saying 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1142.63 1144.11 I prefer to read my newspaper. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1125.04 1126.91 We it's a luxury for us. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1135.42 1142.63 I p if I have to choose between uh reading my newspaper and disc and having a a decently welcomed uh v uh research visitor 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1146.76 1147.79 I mean, we are researchers. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1126.91 1128.99 We don't have space for a lounge. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1126.94 1127.36 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1130.1 1132.41 Okay, let's be innovative. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1132.41 1132.77 Um. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1146.82 1155.76 But the problem is it it has been decided by everyone and approved by the school that we we need the lounge, so I I think it's simply not 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1145.19 1146.82 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 1155.88 1157.56 No no, I don't think we can choose. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1157.95 1163.6 No actually, uh I I'm sorry, it's uh yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1163.6 1164.29 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1158.99 1159.64 But then? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1177.94 1182.93 And at least we have some uh free margin for the next two years, or the next year. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1163.8 1177.94 split it in two parts as as Susan was was uh proposing last time was a ha was a wall and you have a lounge there can read your newspapers and we have a full two room two person room where we can certainly accommodate three visitors. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1160.92 1163.8 Then you have the three people room, that positions 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1181.08 1182.18 Oh. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1182.18 1185.52 Okay so so how do we split the room? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1186.53 1188.38 The the three people over there. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1186.59 1194.77 We put it the the furniture that we got for our reading room, we put it into the other half of the three person room. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1190.69 1191.15 Uh-huh. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1189.27 1190.69 This one. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1195.49 1199.8 And put uh uh mm 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1194.97 1195.49 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1195.52 1196.97 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1196.97 1197.8 So 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1195.72 1196.72 Would that fit? 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1197.88 1199.32 A little divider of some kind. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1198.51 1199.1 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1199.1 1202.4 But what about if people want to have a small discussion in the lounge? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1202.06 1205.59 They are not supposed to have a discussion in the lounge, they are supposed to read their newspapers. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1206.66 1207.58 And to drink their coffee. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1206.84 1210.48 Well, not the newspapers, because no scientific articles. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1207.22 1208.91 Well not just newspapers. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1210.59 1212.01 Uh scientific articles. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1213.83 1217.09 The the goal of the lounge was was a place where you can relax. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1212.01 1213.83 No that's not that wasn't the goal. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1212.64 1213.13 Journals. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1217.66 1218.92 Uh-huh. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1218.92 1219.61 Yeah. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1218.69 1220.34 But also to read articles. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1220.32 1221.86 you can do it in your office. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1223.07 1227.58 So you would like to put it, yeah, within yeah, and then who who yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1225.65 1233.15 it's it's it's you have a good chairs to read newspapers that you don't want to break you heart your your your your back your office. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1247.63 1248.96 That looks very bad. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1244.17 1247.63 But that means the office will be at least for the moment empty. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1243.83 1244.17 Three. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1233.45 1239.54 Yeah okay, but then that means that we'll put the lounge on the right side, uh here. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1239.54 1243.83 And uh here we'll put two places for visitors. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1232.88 1233.45 Yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1237.99 1238.22 Yes. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1238.29 1238.68 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1239.41 1239.57 Yes. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1243.22 1243.45 Three. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1247.72 1250.45 No, we have our visitor that is arriving. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1250.45 1252 Uh what did you say, Susan? 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1251.41 1252.28 It's not a visitor. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1252.28 1255.77 It's a a new p p full-time person arriving in January. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1253.02 1255.43 uh okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1259.85 1260.95 Uh I mean 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1255.96 1259.85 Okay, so that could take the the free place over there. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1260.13 1261.96 No, that's where we're gonna put the lounge. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1262.82 1267.11 That could take one one positions in the in the lo in the 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1260.2 1262.82 No no. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 1262.93 1263.23 No. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 1265.49 1268.47 Let's put m Maria or Yalina in the in the in this place. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1269.44 1279.05 Yeah, I think okay, so we need what, two, three positions and one new person arriving, X. or something like that. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1280.81 1283.72 if if if if you forget about the lounge. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1289.41 1294.16 That means that we have one person there with one free position. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1279.27 1280.81 Ah okay, that that's an idea. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1283.72 1289.41 What you could do is to move either Mari Maria or Yalina in the in the mm what is currently the lounge. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1279.43 1280.06 Well for 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1281.17 1281.83 Okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1283.21 1283.61 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1288.77 1289.23 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1302.38 1306.85 So we have three position distributed over the rooms where we can accommodate 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1295.4 1302.38 We have one free position in the in the room that Maria or Yalina is coming from and one free position over there. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1302.13 1302.51 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1306.14 1307.41 And and where is the lounge? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1307.77 1308.26 No lounge. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 1308 1308.53 No lounge. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1308.48 1310.36 No no no no, we we have to 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1313.26 1313.98 So uh 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1310.28 1313.26 I'll I'll have my head cut off if we don't have a lounge. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1308.72 1310.28 No okay, no way. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1310.92 1311.28 Louge. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1312.89 1316.04 You take the furniture of the lounge and you put it in the corridor. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1313.13 1314.19 Yeah yeah yeah. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1316.38 1319.73 No, there's no space. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1319.73 1321.29 The lounge is in the free space. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1316.82 1320.72 No no no no, let's do the lounge corner. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1322.05 1322.6 At least. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1320.72 1322.05 Okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1322.6 1329.29 I mean otherwise I cannot really defend it, because it it was agreed and we cannot just come back on every every decision we made. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1328.1 1332.64 After all that we went through to get the budget for it, we really have to uh 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1331.06 1332.34 Yeah, I think so, yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1331.42 1339.81 you you will explain to your visitors that unfortunately they have a position in the toilet, because there is a reading room where people have to relax. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1333.57 1333.98 Okay. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1338.03 1341.91 No, wait a minute, yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1342.37 1345.04 Okay, so what we need is a new and two. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1345.04 1346.44 So 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1339.46 1342.37 Well, let's have the visitors first. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1348.32 1352.35 I think we can put, what, Maria or Yalina? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1352.35 1354.54 I don't want to separate them really, but uh 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1360.21 1362.67 Um so I was thinking to put here 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1355.78 1356.69 Oh. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1356.69 1360.21 Mysel, I don't like that office actually. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1363.43 1364.56 It could be Nikos, for instance. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1364.56 1366.41 Could put you can switch. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1372.4 1372.59 Yeah. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1366.82 1372.4 No, we are not gonna keep Marianne in a three uh person place uh, just having Marianne in the lounge. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1371.04 1372.44 But it's a lounge. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1373.35 1374.93 Yeah, now. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1374.93 1375.98 so it's either 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1382.51 1385.69 Uh let's try Maria here. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1385.69 1387.52 Oh, you don't mind? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1377.02 1382.51 Y we could put the visitor with you, Martin, but it's probably okay, let's try le let's try this. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1379.86 1380.93 Yeah but then 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1382.39 1384.74 Yeah you could you could put me there. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1384.74 1385.4 I mean, Andrei. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1387.46 1393.48 Because I will be there half time, and the visitors probably will not so much complain about phone calls. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1389.33 1389.82 Perfect. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1392.9 1398.12 But wait a minute, then Andrei has a two person office all for himself. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1396.82 1398.96 No no, we'll put a visitor place in there. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1400.26 1401.43 If you don't mind. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1401.8 1406.03 Well there is this full-time person arriving in I I think it's really important to to plan with that. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1403.99 1404.14 Yeah. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1405.81 1407.62 Wha what's what's her name again, Andrei? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1407.89 1409.1 Uh I think it's Paola. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1409.27 1409.47 Paola. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1409.85 1410.03 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1410.74 1411.31 Um. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1411 1413.01 would it be possible to have Paola in your office? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1415.22 1416.36 Yeah, could be. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1417.01 1419.34 'Cause that's that's something that we we should be deciding. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1419.34 1425.41 Either you want to keep me in your office, which is alright, and then we have to forsee a place for Paola somewhere. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1425.41 1430.65 I I think that's that's not realistic to have a planning 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1417.56 1418.59 If 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1419.82 1421.27 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1421.27 1421.71 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1423 1424.92 No, I I would prefer you, I think. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1425.8 1428.22 Okay, let me keep you. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1428.28 1429.64 Martin goes back to Andrei. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1427.59 1428.28 Okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1430.84 1434.85 Okay, we'll put Paola and a visitor here. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1432.64 1433.09 Why didn 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1437.8 1440.15 So Paola is the new person. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1439.57 1439.82 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1450.15 1450.84 Vis two. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1445.69 1450.15 And then we'll we'll still have probably some way to put a second visitor here. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1441.52 1443.82 And a visitor, uh vis. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1443.82 1445.69 Is that vis one? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1442.93 1443.83 That's visitor one. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1452.13 1452.53 Oops. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1453.49 1455.31 Sorry, it's not very nice, but 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1453.83 1454.22 Mm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1458.27 1460.46 Does this display better? 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1465.62 1471.31 Um Paola well, Paola being new, I I think it would be better to put her with somebody else. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1466.46 1467.86 I think it's not bad. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1469.17 1471.35 Yeah, don't put her alone. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1471.35 1471.84 Uh-huh. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1470.47 1471.91 somebody else. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 1477.56 1482.53 I mean, you cannot go there and discuss and and two people working there in the room. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 1474.12 1477.56 Well, the the lounge can not be in here t with two people. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1477.99 1478.28 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1487.71 1492.57 you know, coffee at the end of the day, or a drink, then the two people will stop working. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1492.57 1494.34 I don't know, maybe they won't be happy. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1483.1 1487.71 No, but we said that we won't discuss or maybe if we organise some kind of,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1482.8 1483.1 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1499.2 1499.48 No? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1494.34 1499.2 Okay then, Martin let let me put you in that office and I'll put Paola with me. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1482.82 1485.15 Not supposed to discuss, you are supposed to relax. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 1495.39 1497.31 Sure not me. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1498.48 1500.45 No no put why not Maria or Yalina? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1502.16 1503.84 So Martin goes where? 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1504.1 1505.5 Martin stays. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1505.5 1506.02 Maria's. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1505.6 1505.81 Yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1505.69 1508.34 Because you don't want to separate Ma Maria and Yalina? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1508.34 1508.54 Why? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1507.64 1508.04 Okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1512.49 1514.15 It's a master student so uh 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1509.3 1512.49 'Cause Yalina, i it's not even sure she stays. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1509.38 1510.34 Yeah, okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1512.52 1515.86 Okay, so let's put Maria in the separate office. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1511.41 1512.52 Yeah, that's true. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1515.7 1515.93 Yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1517.43 1522.33 And we have, yeah, and we have two visitors and a masters student and a p and a part-time person. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1521.27 1523.63 And we have Paola. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1524.17 1525.78 I was thinking the other way around. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1527.01 1528.65 Oh sorry, what were you thinking? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1527.77 1537.04 To keep Paola with Maria in the two people room and to have this one with two, Yalina and David in the three people room. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1539.84 1540.46 Okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1537.63 1539.84 So who is with Maria here? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1539.17 1539.39 Paola. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1541.76 1542.72 And no visitor? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1541.57 1541.76 Yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1542.94 1544.88 No, that's a two people room, so 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1549.91 1555.53 All the I mean, two visitors and the fifty per cent pers person, I don't think it's very uh reasonable. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1545.48 1549.91 Yeah, but that means that this room, the middle one, would be quite empty. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1548.46 1548.6 Yep. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1550.61 1552.54 No, Yalina is there, David is there 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1557.63 1560.64 but you need to have to put visitors somewhere, I mean uh 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1558.28 1558.88 Well, we have 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1560.2 1561.93 Uh yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1560.23 1564.46 Yeah, but let's split them a little bit, so that when there are no visitors, at least people are 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1563.68 1563.91 Ah. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1564.95 1568.03 No, the rooms have to look like they're sort of occupied uh. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1568.03 1570.09 Oterwise, we might uh lose room or two. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1567.75 1568.62 Yeah, I think so. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1570.39 1570.61 Oh. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1571.25 1571.74 Okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1578.63 1580.4 And is this better? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1576.02 1578.63 Here goes visitor one. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1571.36 1574.78 So this goes here goes visitor two. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1574.78 1576.02 Paola is there. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 1571.88 1573.66 That's true. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1574.21 1576.43 This is always the game. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1581.78 1583.93 Except that we cannot read it, but 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1585.6 1587.15 apart from this 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1586.1 1587.07 Well 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1589.35 1591.02 It's a little bit crowded in. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1599.36 1604.9 you will have two full-time person plus one part-time person plus one visitor that's 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1592.35 1599.36 'Cause you have well, not yet, of course, because Paola is not has not arrived, but uh starting from January 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1596.77 1597.16 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1611.07 1617.97 And this visitor two which means it's like a, well, you know, second uh second chance. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1602.04 1603.25 Yeah, okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1603.25 1611.07 Let me call this visitor one, which implies that uh it will be the first one occupied by a visitor when they come. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1606.38 1607.03 'Kay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1610.07 1610.37 Okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1621 1623.56 But why couldn't we basically 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1625.74 1630 Move you, David, in this two people room with Maria? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1632.32 1633.32 What would this change? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1631.54 1632.32 Or we could. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1632.69 1635.44 Maria plus one half pa uh half-time person? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1635.72 1636.16 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1654.85 1658.69 So the lounge will just die after some point and it uh it 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1646.17 1654.85 on on the on the long term disappear, because anyhow I don't believe there can be a lounge where in a place where there are already two people working. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1638.45 1646.17 And you have Paola, Yalina, one visitor position, and I still keep hope that uh Marianne, Nikos that the lounge will on the,
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1657.71 1662.01 No, but but look, Martin, it's quite a long room, it has two doors 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1660.58 1661.9 Still, I mean,. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1664.7 1665.31 Yeah, that's true. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1663.08 1664.7 Ah okay, ah it has two doors. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1663.38 1665.26 Oh yeah, very good. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1666.61 1668.67 Yeah, so maybe in the long run we'll get a wall. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1667.62 1669.42 Ah yeah, but then then yeah, okay okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1669.42 1670.5 Okay, that's true. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1670.5 1672.23 'Kay then then there will be a wall. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1672.23 1672.52 Okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1671.27 1671.72 Uh-huh. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1675.23 1677.77 So where would we move David to Maria Da with Maria. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1671.72 1675.23 Al although there are three windows, but um okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1679.58 1680.22 Um. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1677.77 1679.58 Do you have any preferences, David? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1674.43 1674.96 Yeah, that's good. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 1679.63 1681.08 Uh it's completely fine. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1686 1687 Yeah, right. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1679.64 1686 Uh she she wa she wants mixing peo uh men and women, so or she he. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1686.05 1686.85 So, yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1683.11 1686.05 Well, he already is mixed. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 1692.61 1693.07 Uh we'll see. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 1684.03 1692.61 Then uh the two visitors will be in one room, but doesn't that's fine, because maybe there are not two visitors at the same time. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1691.16 1691.43 Yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1692.48 1694.96 Yeah, that's to me it's more realistic. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1698.66 1702.9 and when there are two people, so it makes too many variations, but 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1693.4 1698.66 Yeah, I wouldn't put the two visitors in the same room, because when there is no one it makes a big hole,
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1702.61 1707.75 Yeah, but then then you can you can move for instance if you move David to uh with Maria. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1703.34 1703.79 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1709.02 1709.61 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1709.77 1710.24 Then 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1712.43 1713.8 Yeah, the occupancy is better that way. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1715.3 1716.03 First it's better. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1716.03 1718.98 I think it's uh, because it's more it's stabler. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1714.42 1715.3 I think it's it's better. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1716.27 1716.7 Okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1714.61 1716.27 You prefer that too, Susan? 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1714.83 1717.92 Because there is regular there is regular occupancy, yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1720.12 1721.43 'Cause visitors stay and go. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1720.29 1720.99 Okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1729 1730 Oops. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1730 1731.6 Sorry. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1733.99 1734.92 This one. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1731.6 1733.99 Uh what did we say here? 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 1733.88 1734.54 one. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1735.94 1736.81 Yeah, that's good. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1736.44 1738.12 Yeah, my uh 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1738.36 1739.71 To me that's the best we can do. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1741.06 1745.19 If you if we realistically can plan to have a lounge. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1741.43 1741.97 Okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1750.71 1756.8 actually if we do a proposal without a lounge, and, you know, the other group will 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1746.08 1750.71 Well, I think that was really decided and it's it's no we no, because,
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1748.42 1749.08 Okay okay okay. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1755.42 1756.96 We won't be very credible. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1756.02 1759.03 I go I got the message. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1757.54 1765.82 Yeah, exactly, and that means that all the constraints that we said and uh all the other things just, we we well, just basically disappear. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1766.1 1766.54 Yes, sir. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1767.3 1770.26 Uh-huh, which means we've worked for nothing. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1770.26 1770.97 Okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1770.97 1775.28 Uh what's what's wrong with this? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1776.28 1777.15 So who has strong 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1778.38 1778.97 Okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1778.48 1779.71 strong opposition to that? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1784.49 1784.88 Okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1781.38 1782.73 Uh, I don't. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1782.73 1784.49 Oh, you have to go, Susan? 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1783.8 1784.64 I'll be right back. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1785.2 1787.2 But do you have any no. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1792.89 1793.88 Okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1793.88 1794.55 No problem. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1792.39 1792.89 Yeah, please. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1787.04 1792.39 Yeah, well, we are almost done, Susan, but uh we we'll we'll just check the the items. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1791.11 1793.84 I I just need to see somebody. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1793.53 1794.9 But it's just a decision. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1794.9 1796.38 No, you just have. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1804.21 1806.04 Um. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1796.36 1804.21 Yeah, we we'll just review the items to see is we look at all the constraints and then you'll be able to say the final uh yes or no. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1798.87 1799.08 Okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1815.92 1816.91 That's that that checked? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1808.32 1815.92 'Cause uh we are sure that Maggie and Bruno uh Maggie is happy with having Bruno in her office and Pierrette is happy to have uh Marianne in her office. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1816.91 1817.17 Okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1804.57 1808.32 I think we we we accommodated most of the constraints. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1809.15 1810.38 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1808.13 1809.15 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1818.59 1820.06 Uh. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1815.28 1817.32 Yeah, I think that's okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1817.32 1818.59 Yeah, we checked. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1818.48 1823.68 And, yes, and no reason to think that there should be uh uh uh uh an impossible situation? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1823.82 1824.28 No. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1821.57 1823.82 I don't think so. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1824.8 1827.95 Same thing for Marianne and Marianne F. and Nikos? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1828.19 1828.75 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1833.44 1840.19 And uh, well, Yalina Aha, that means for a for a short time Yalina will be just alone in the three person room. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1830.24 1833.44 Uh Paola we don't know yet, because she didn't arrived yet. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1848.33 1850.81 David or visitor one or two. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1840.2 1848.33 Yeah, that's a bit yeah, that was the point in letting David there and but okay, maybe we'll just leave it as an option. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1850.81 1851.53 It's uh 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1840.88 1842.99 That's a bit a problem. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1856.52 1864.09 uh as long as Paola is not has not arrived, is to switch for the proposal Paola and David 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1849.89 1856.52 Ah but then then we what we could just for the sake of having a defendable solution,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1855.83 1856.31 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1865.27 1866.21 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1866.41 1871.85 But we we really plan that as soon as Paola is here or even earlier 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1869.34 1869.79 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1868.04 1869.34 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1882.91 1883.42 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1878.85 1882.91 Yeah, either, yeah, we can switch Maria or Paola or David. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1872.28 1872.54 Okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1872.54 1878.85 So we'll know that uh that the region actually around here is probably movable. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1873.07 1875.52 David will go to the to the two people room. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1877.57 1879.62 It's just it will be switched. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1880.69 1884.31 'Cause this this this this is dangerous to propose. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1891 1892.37 Okay? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1884.31 1891 I mean you have a three per three person room with one masters student in it. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1892.37 1894.03 So I wouldn't I wouldn't propose that. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1887.79 1888.29 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1892.1 1898.97 Yeah, tha tha yeah, that's why I always try to put the to separate the visitors, just to balance a little bit. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1891.17 1892.1 Yeah, no, exactly. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1898.97 1901.58 But okay, we'll uh, we'll be open on on that point. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1898.48 1898.94 Okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1901.06 1902.38 But as soon as Paola is here, 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1905.29 1907.45 And we will have visitors, for sure. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1903.41 1905.29 uh it starts to be better. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1903.44 1904.65 Yeah, it will become 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1906.15 1906.63 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1906.63 1913.82 Or it depends also on well, if Yalina stays longer or not, which is not yet very clear, but um 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1911.72 1912.11 Yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1910.38 1911.72 Yeah, right right, that's true. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1915.65 1923.99 Ah do we have a do do we know do we know when when is she supposed to finish the her uh master thesis? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1923.99 1924.54 In June? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1913.76 1915.65 Oh yeah, that's a point, true. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1915.42 1916.4 Okay, w we'll see. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1916.4 1918.13 Anyway, we'll we'll be open. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1930.2 1932.45 Actually I don't know, unfortunately. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1928.98 1930.2 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1928.11 1928.98 At the latest. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1920.09 1928.11 Mm I don't really know, I think her master thesis is probably due um no, I would say, yeah, maybe June next year? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1928.08 1928.86 June next year. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1930.76 1937.15 Okay, wha when when do we when do you when whe uh when are we supposed to sub sumbit the proposal? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1938.31 1942.44 Well, we we won't have any extra meeting, well, the four of us,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1945.94 1951.57 Um so um we'll we'll have actually I I'll present this to,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1951.57 1956.18 well, with the other, I'll compare it with the other one, and uh try to make a decision actually. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1956.18 1960.7 I think it's even uh a bit later, or in two days, or something like this. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1942.44 1945.94 so, yeah, this one has to to be the the final one. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1941.35 1942.36 'Kay, that's now. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1945.93 1946.34 Okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1954.23 1954.5 Mm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1958.02 1958.26 Okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1960.18 1965.77 Well so as soon as we have Susan we can uh we can um so I would I would switch again. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1965.91 1967.49 Again, okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1968.92 1969.4 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1967.49 1968.92 We yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1966.63 1971.38 Da but that, as I say, it's just for the sake of the of the proposition 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1971.38 1977.71 so I even I'm even ready to uh to internally say that David will actually be in this room. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1978.77 1980.86 W we can leave it like this and then 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1978.4 1978.77 Yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1981.27 1982.09 names on the doors? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1979.54 1981.27 What does it what does it change? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 1983.33 1985.21 Uh, yeah, there will be names on the doors. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1990.5 1996.86 the psy psychological problem we have is pra I'm extremenly happy with that solution. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2001.29 2006.97 But currently if we present it as it is, we have a three person room that is only occupied by a masters student. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1996.86 2001.29 It would be a workab work working solution starting from January, when Paola will be here. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 1984.3 1990.5 Aha, so if we 'cause, Susan, the the the the problem the let's say the techn not the technical 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 1987.59 1988.14 Sorry, yeah. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2007.64 2012.93 No, because there is another person right now, a student that I just uh um hired. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2012.93 2015.3 And she's just working right now for uh 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2015.06 2017.21 Aha, so sh you have a student. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2017.21 2020.28 That we that's a rea real visitor to some extent. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2016.06 2017.85 So she'll be a visitor. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2016.17 2018.16 for November and December, yeah. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2019.08 2020.98 A she uh she's a she's a real visitor. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2020.98 2024.99 She's a real visitor that I just made a contract for her for two months. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2024.99 2025.17 Yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2025.8 2027.69 So then we would have two people there. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2021.51 2025.8 Ah, so this one and this two one are just ah okay, okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2027.69 2027.96 Okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2025 2025.42 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2028.42 2030.75 Yeah, we'll we'll keep it like this. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2033.69 2042.68 I'll try to to express all these constraints and uh and say in particular that the two rooms over here actually are sort of uh,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2026.63 2028.42 Okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2042.68 2047.26 well, s things could be changed over there, but on some other sides 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2030.75 2033.69 Um okay I, well 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2028.54 2030.07 Yeah then that works. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2052.3 2059.28 I mean uh it's it's it's it's extremely important in the research domain that we can have people coming to visit us. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2045.28 2052.3 Yeah, but you you really have also to say that that that a a unit has to has to have some some horizon. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2051.37 2054.17 Yeah, the visitor space, yeah, I'll uh 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2056.48 2056.98 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2059.56 2061.69 Yeah, uh that's true. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2061.69 2063.21 And 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2060.69 2064.23 Uh the second point I would suggest is that before you go to defend it 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2064.23 2070.62 you should uh mm circulate it uh over mail to all the all the con involved people. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2071.67 2072.25 Well, 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2072.28 2073.26 To double-check so that 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2073.42 2081.07 I think this I I'm not very sure, but I think this will be done after the meeting, when okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2083.94 2088.83 Agnes comes to you or Pierrette comes to you saying it, no I don't want to be with Marianne. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2077.59 2079.96 I would do it before. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2079.96 2083.94 'Cause you if you if you spend time defending a thing then um I don't know,
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2088.83 2090.42 Uh what do you do? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2083.35 2084.53 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2084.53 2085.06 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2095.44 2096.1 Perfect. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2088.26 2088.9 Uh-huh. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2088.9 2095.44 A as far as know I think Agnes is also taking care of a proposal so okay, yeah, I'll circulate this. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2091.88 2093.26 So so it doesn't 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2094.99 2098.33 cost anything, it's just people will look at it, say oh, great,
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2098.33 2101.55 I have a view on the mountain and I'm uh with a person I like, so I'm happy. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2096.85 2098.23 Yeah, exactly. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2120.16 2124.32 and uh we'll have a meeting, I think, it's uh it's in two days or something like that. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2102.37 2106.3 Okay, so maybe we'll learn some more constraints. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2110.29 2116.84 Um yeah, actually as I as I told uh Martin um, well, this is the last time we meet,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2129.27 2133.98 Actually, probably a pre-final one, since we'll have to check again with everyone. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2116.84 2120.16 so uh this is, well, more or less our proposal,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2133.98 2134.41 But uh 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2106.3 2110.29 Um okay. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2124.32 2129.27 Uh to discuss and compare with the other proposal and uh, well, make a final decision. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2106.83 2109.19 What's the timeline on this now? 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2109.19 2110.69 So you have a meeting when? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2128.76 2129.37 Because 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2131.86 2137.09 Yeah, it's it's it's not it's not completely it's an important issue, because uh I need to know,
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2147.03 2151.17 I'm reachable when I'm at uh well, they can phone me on the mobile 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2137.09 2143.19 when I will have the office decided, the phone number decided. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2143.19 2147.03 Because these are information that I have to provide to administration. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2151.17 2159.04 but uh I would definitely prefer to have a clean filled administrative form that I can give back. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2143.33 2143.78 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2143.77 2144.44 Oh, yeah. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2143.36 2143.77 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2150.79 2152 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2158.25 2159.48 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2169.54 2178.61 I think, next month or depends also on how, well, the uh the furnishing and uh well goes on. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2165.33 2169.54 well, finding out when we will move and this happens in probably,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2159.48 2165.33 Well, so actually I think, I I'm not very sure, but the most important thing is,
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2167.71 2168.96 Yes, yes. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2171.28 2171.57 Okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2176.34 2180.71 And then uh of course you have these all these practical issues, how about internet connections? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2180.71 2182.26 Well uh, network connections, I mean? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2181.29 2182.98 No. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2182.46 2184.44 How many connections are there per room? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2183.98 2186.19 Yeah, because that's also something double check. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2186.19 2190.06 You know, if you are in a room with three people and one network connection 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2184.92 2185.51 Um. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2199.96 2203.67 A and I think you get at least th yeah, three per room. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2189.98 2193.31 No the roo the the building is very no actually I've seen it. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2188.94 2189.98 Oh no no no. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2203.67 2206.56 So uh or probably more than that. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2193.31 2199.96 Uh the building is very modern and uh you can have actually we'll get them activated, yeah. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2190.69 2192.16 Well no no um. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2193.69 2194.08 Okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2195.82 2197.02 But are they activated? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2199.48 2199.94 Okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2203.17 2203.42 Okay. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2203.84 2209.13 No, get the uh for the the bigger rooms you get double for every workplace you get two lines. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2207.62 2208.12 Okay. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 2208.73 2211.55 Yeah yeah, you need, because sometimes you need a laptop and 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2209.23 2209.56 Okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2209.3 2209.92 Ah okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2209.92 2210.98 Good that looks good. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2210.92 2211.06 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2211.75 2214.1 Yeah, sometimes he needs two two computers. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2214.1 2215.94 Yeah, no this this. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2212.05 2212.39 Yeah. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2213.76 2218.26 No, because lots of people have, you know, they have a Sun and they have a a PC, so 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2217.32 2231.15 And if you go back to the uh to the uh other sli slide where you have the furniture so with this uh we do we have any m any any word to say and uh so that I would like to have a red chair or a blue desk uh or a 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2217.85 2218.15 Hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2229.54 2239.8 Oh no, unfortunately that's decided by the uh the school, so the the chairs are blue, the the desk is uh is brow, well, light-brown. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2239.8 2240.44 And uh 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2234.09 2235.37 So that's the standard things. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2239.23 2244.01 But do we have to order something or is it done automatically, so it will be in the office when we move in? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2244.19 2249.23 Uh, normally it's done automatically, except that we'll have to think 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2247.73 2250.75 Well, we have to say how many places that we want to have. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2251.71 2255.51 Yeah, uh well, these are dictated by the names. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2255.51 2258.67 Uh it's probably more difficult for the lounge. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2271.67 2272.94 Uh. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2258.67 2265.02 What we'll have is have a bit less furniture in the lounge and then bring all the, well the old it's not old,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2265.02 2271.67 because we just bought it, but uh all the furniture from the previous lounge we'll we'll bring it here. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2262.1 2262.54 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2265.42 2265.6 Mm. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2278.15 2280.8 Or here you're supposed to move them yourself, or 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2271.28 2278.15 And how about the boxes, because at you have to say when you will be moving the boxes, so that you have uh people for moving them. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2281.14 2284.76 Well, it's the faculty that will take care of uh 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2284.1 2285.69 So we'll receive some information about that? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2311.98 2317.12 So the the violet box here is uh uh our mailboxes also. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2285.76 2292.46 Yeah, yeah, I think yeah, i I mean it's a completely different issue from uh, you know, arranging people. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2292.46 2294.42 It's just uh how the moving will take place. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2302.44 2308.94 Uh thinking about internet connections, I think it's quite okay for the the for the the printer to be there. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2310.71 2311.98 We'll we'll check. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2308.94 2310.71 Yeah, I think it's i it's feasible. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2299.42 2302.44 Yeah, we'll get uh we'll get all the information. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2294.42 2299.42 And there are things to to take care of, but uh it's uh quite unrelated with these things. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2286.11 2287.92 Yeah, they'll just give us a date when 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2288.42 2288.64 Okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2292.98 2296.39 That's true, but uh right, right, right. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2296.39 2296.9 Okay, okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2306.15 2309.66 Yeah, that's an important point, the the printer needs to be connected. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2317.09 2327.01 By the way uh uh is there any uh wireless connection uh antennas for getting 'cause I I've I've heard that there is one downstairs in the 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2322.21 2324.92 Um not at the sixth floor. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2324.92 2327.98 Yeah, yeah no not not in the building for the moment. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2327.99 2328.74 that 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2328.04 2332.9 The well, there is downstairs in the building and pretty soon the whole building will be covered. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2332.9 2333.13 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2329.08 2331 I mean not at this 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2332.08 2332.9 But that's important. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2332.9 2334.86 I mean, typically for the laptops it's 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2334.91 2335.33 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2337.75 2340.07 Some people can pick it up on sixth floor. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2335.32 2337.75 Yeah, but right now in uh downstairs it's fine. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2340.07 2341.98 But pretty soon the whole building will be covered. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2341.26 2342.55 Ah okay, good. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2342.26 2343.28 Mm-hmm. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2349.27 2356.44 We'll try it I'm, well I'll try to to express the the constraints and uh your opinions and uh well,
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2343.81 2346.46 Well, I think it's a bit off topic already. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2356.44 2364.16 I think, finally everyone can veto something if there is a huge problem, but I think with this we we don't run into huge problems. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2346.46 2349.27 So um let's say that i it's a proposal. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2343.28 2343.81 Okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2345.73 2346.31 Yeah yeah,. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2346.29 2347.31 Yeah, okay. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2349.3 2349.36 Mm? 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2360.27 2360.61 Sure. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2363.48 2365.6 At least the four of us will not veto. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2367.82 2369.17 So let me save this. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2365.89 2367.82 Yeah, obviously. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2366.22 2369.14 at least. 
IB4004 H01 MIO094 2370.48 2371.65 So you agree with a lounge? 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2370.58 2373.11 And thank you for spending all this time. 
IB4004 H02 FIE037 2374.78 2375.07 Yeah. 
IB4004 H00 MIO036 2374.88 2376.15 Hope you're all happy. 
IB4004 H03 MIO039 2375.17 2375.39 Okay. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 53.77 58.75 And the photocopier and the printer are sort of in the hall on the side there across from mailboxes. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 45.06 49.39 Basically, you can see Gisella sort of there in the middle with the fax machine, and Maggie and Susan 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 49.39 53.77 who are the two full professors in our department have the private offices. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 27.45 33.72 The fax is in the administration office, since it's mostly used by Gisella, who's the secretary. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 33.72 42.78 For noise reduction purposes we've moved everyone who has office hours together, and we've also put the network printer and the photocopier in the hall. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 3.72 6.47 So we'll show you two slightly different presentations. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 9.97 16.63 Um the first one was done by myself, Bruno, Marianne and Nikos. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 6.47 9.97 Feel free to ask any questions or comments, obviously. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 22.62 27.45 Administration is close to the professors offices, so it's easier for the secretary to speak to everyone. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 0.02 1.86 Uh I guess I start with my presentation. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 16.63 22.62 And the rationale that we have, I'll show you the layout in a second, was that full professors would get private offices. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1.86 3.72 We had two groups of people working on this. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 42.78 45.06 Um, so I'll just show you how that works. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 9.86 10.23 Okay. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 27.16 27.59 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 149.53 158.5 Um so I guess that's pretty much it for our proposal. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 97.34 100.28 Nikos and Yalina, who work on the same project, at the bottom. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 105.98 110.13 Um, as well, Marianne works closely with Pierrette and the other Marianne. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 59.72 63.99 Um, just to go back, most people are grouped in projects. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 114.3 117.93 So as I said, the half times are in the three person offices. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 76.22 78.19 So there's a little bit of give there. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 87.67 93.84 Um they don't actu they will be starting a new project together, if um if I'm not mistaken. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 93.84 97.34 Like I said, Susan and Maggie in the individual offices. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 100.28 102.23 The reading room is in the middle. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 78.19 83.94 And the reading room, or the lounge as some people call it, that we have is in a central position. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 112.26 114.3 And David is a half time. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 63.99 69.78 And we have two fifty per cent people who are half time in Geneva, half time at the E. P. F. L. in Lausanne. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 69.78 76.22 And they m them we've put in three person offices, so that in the three person offices it's not constantly three people. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 126.52 134.86 Um Gisella, we've given her two person office for two reasons, one is because there's a spare place there 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 134.86 138.69 so if we want to put a stagieur or someone who just comes in for short period of time,
IB4005 H00 FIE038 117.93 123.96 And on the other side we have Maria, Martin and myself, who all work on the same project. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 102.23 105.98 Um, Marianne and Bruno are at the bottom. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 138.69 145.16 we figured it was okay if they were in the admin office which is a little bit noisy, because they're only there for a short period of time. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 110.13 112.26 We have two Mariannes in our department. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 83.94 87.67 So basically we've got Andre and Nancy at the top. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 145.16 149.53 Um, and again the proximity to the other offices. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 123.96 126.52 And Martin is fifty per cent. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 158.5 162.53 Um I don't know if you want Andre to go through his first or if you have any questions for me. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 78.44 78.56 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 94.29 94.62 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 158.1 158.38 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 163.28 170.23 So you sa so Pierrette is a professor, but she's only she's only fifty per cent time. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 170.23 172.25 Is that why she's in a three person office? 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 164.26 164.77 Yes. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 165.92 166.8 Yeah, Martin. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 170.72 176.37 She's It's Do you wanna explain how it it works or 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 174.76 178.38 Uh, actually Martin is fifty per cent time. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 178.38 178.66 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 176.1 176.3 Mar 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 177.38 178.81 Martin is fifty per cent. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 182.27 183.98 I guess you could say where there's 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 178.81 182.27 Pierrette, there's two sort of statutes of professor. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 177.69 178.24 Uh-huh. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 180.24 180.72 No? 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 183.2 186.93 Oh, because you would say that she's an assistant professor or something like that. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 187.42 188.11 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 186.93 187.42 Oh, okay. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 188.11 191.14 But um yeah, maybe that's 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 185.73 186.12 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 186.52 186.77 Ah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 186.85 187.59 I see. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 189.69 192.01 There's a professeur d'ecole and the 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 196.23 201.08 And, yeah, it's true that she's an assistant professor, but uh well,
IB4005 H02 MIO036 213.1 213.76 We'll see. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 201.08 206.01 we see, maybe we can move a little bit around just to give her uh,
IB4005 H02 MIO036 192.88 196.23 Yeah, there are full professors and assistant professors, if you want. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 206.01 213.1 well, also at least, maybe not a uh an office alone, but at least with just one person, not two. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 195.43 196.28 Yeah, ho 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 204.25 204.34 Mm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 206.11 206.46 Mm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 211.81 212.29 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 212.48 214.81 But the idea is Maggie and Susan are sort of the senior 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 215.01 215.49 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 215.27 215.73 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 215.97 221.21 um professors on staff so they got the the individual offices. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 221.66 222.04 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 235.85 237.15 Is the department growing? 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 229.79 235.85 like beyond this m b beyond this current group of people, do we do we know of any changes coming? 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 237.15 239.16 Or is it is it going to be 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 224.22 229.79 And what what's happening what what do you foresee happening in the next couple of years,
IB4005 H00 FIE038 252.93 257.39 so whether they decide to stay and do a P. H. D., we're not sure yet. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 241.95 247.79 there's some people who are doing P. H. D. s or master students, who won't necessarily be there for a larger extent of time. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 257.39 260.81 Um, Nikos is working um as a researcher. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 237.28 241.95 Um the department will obviously be growing, but there are some people who only work part time,
IB4005 H00 FIE038 247.79 252.93 So for example, Yalina and the Finnish Marianne are master students for right now,
IB4005 H01 MIE032 247.06 247.36 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 256.72 257.08 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 271.43 279.91 um Gisella, Pierrette, um and all the rest are either P. H. D. students or master students. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 261.97 263.66 So for him it's the same thing. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 279.91 283.55 And again Martin and David are half time with the E. P. F. L., so 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 263.66 271.43 There's I think the only constant people are Susan, Maggie, Andre,
IB4005 H00 FIE038 284.98 286.93 that's project dependent as well. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 287.16 287.58 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 287.56 287.83 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 289.73 297.01 Unfortunately, we haven't been given as much space as we would have liked, but that's always the case. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 293.3 293.63 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 294.89 296.27 That's always the case. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 296.27 297.7 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 296.64 296.89 Mm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 300.56 305.14 And have you have you talked to th any of these people to ask them if they have any 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 306.29 307.69 special requirements? 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 308.55 313.7 Um, Susan wanted a private office, she has a preference for private offices. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 313.7 319.69 Other than that, no one really had any tight constraints from what I've heard. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 309.45 309.77 Oh. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 310.89 311.18 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 312.3 312.79 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 328.31 329.28 Okay. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 333.19 333.77 Okay, good. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 329.28 330.04 Alright. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 319.7 327.17 Of people they needed to be near or people they would needed to avoid or anything like that. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 327.17 328.31 Okay. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 330.04 333.19 But you've given people chance to say that if they really needed to? 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 329.48 330.51 Um 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 325.32 329.48 No one's explicitly said that they needed to avoid anyone else. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 332.2 333.95 Yeah yeah yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 332.63 333.03 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 334.56 341.92 But you no specific uh views for mountains or old town or I mean people prefer any windows. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 342.16 344.4 No, they were fine with it, so 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 343.01 343.93 Oh. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 343.93 344.17 Oh. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 345.4 347.45 And they're both nice views. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 345.87 346.1 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 347.28 352.47 Yeah, I guess those thin lines, or I mean they're windows or Okay. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 351.14 352.35 Yeah, they're windows, yeah. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 356.35 358.47 We have fairly big windows in the room, yeah. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 353.94 356.35 Or sorry, the thick lines are windows actually. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 358.47 359.66 So there's lots of light coming in. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 356.63 360.02 Oh oh k okay oh 'kay. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 357.65 357.85 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 357.67 358.04 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 359.88 360.25 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 361.19 365.17 And one of the reasons for putting the reading room where it was is that you have a lot of light coming in 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 365.17 367.5 so if people just go somewhere to sort of relax and 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 367.71 367.99 Hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 368.55 371.9 have a quiet place to sips sit, they have a lot of light and 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 375.1 375.62 Yeah? 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 371.52 372.44 It says mountains. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 378.88 379.25 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 375.62 376.53 So it's the best view. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 372.44 375.1 Is that because that's the view. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 376.53 378.88 You gave the reading room the best view? 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 373.88 374.1 Hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 374.85 375.8 Yeah yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 375.11 375.9 Yeah yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 378.27 378.43 Yeah. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 389.67 396.69 Because we're on the sixth floor, you can actually see everything, 'cause I don't think buildings are much higher than was it, six or eight floors? 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 382.37 385.57 That sort of goes both ways, but, yeah, we've got two mountain views,
IB4005 H00 FIE038 378.29 382.37 Yeah, well I mean it depends if you like looking out over the old town and the cathedral. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 385.57 389.67 sort of on that side, that side, and then the last part looks on the old town. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 380.15 381.89 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 381.89 382.81 Yeah yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 382.17 382.64 Okay. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 386.45 387.62 Oh, and that's old town. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 385.25 386.45 Oh, two mountain views. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 386 386.64 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 386.64 388.29 And then one of old town. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 388.58 389.78 Okay. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 389.78 390 Okay. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 391.7 392.11 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 392.18 392.56 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 395.41 399.49 Yeah, no, mountains are just in the far so, that's not 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 398.89 400.17 What's that purple thing there? 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 397.85 398.89 No, okay. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 398.39 398.61 Yeah. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 402.64 404.83 And those are fixed, we can't do anything about those. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 400.42 402.64 The purple thing is the mailboxes. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 403.57 403.98 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 401.99 403.57 Oh, okay. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 404.2 404.88 Oh. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 410.42 411.67 So 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 411.04 412.39 So you can't do any partitions? 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 412.39 418.78 I mean, you plan to do any partitions in three p person rooms or like this kind of blocks? 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 416.87 417.96 Um, r 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 425.08 430.32 At the moment we have people thre sharing like three people in a room, without any partitions and 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 419.01 420.97 We don't have anything like that. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 423.59 425.08 Some people might like them. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 420.97 423.59 If we can get stuff like that, it might be a good idea. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 425.25 425.39 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 428.77 428.93 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 430.1 431.97 Yeah, just three desks, yeah. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 431.33 439.06 it's a little bit noisy, but people sort of get used to it and admittedly it's mostly assistants that are stuck in rooms like that,
IB4005 H00 FIE038 439.06 442.44 so it's junior people, but 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 433.26 433.64 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 435.39 435.53 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 438.13 439.17 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 442.61 442.97 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 444.2 445.38 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 445.38 451.74 Um well, uh I can think of some reactions from the people wi so maybe I can Well, r 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 445.94 446.31 Alright. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 450.87 453.61 Well, do you want to do your presentation and 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 465.19 466.52 Thanks. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 487.78 494.61 So, as you can see, well um Susan gets obviously the same office, which is quite a good thing. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 509.68 513.53 because it would block us two full working places. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 500.8 509.68 But the most obvious constraints that uh we we found here was that it was probably very difficult to have a lounge uh just a lounge in one room 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 475.51 479.36 Martin, David and uh and myself. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 452.5 459.7 Yeah, well, tell me about some of the constraints and Well, first of all I must say that there are also quite a lot of common points,
IB4005 H02 MIO036 498.23 500.8 It looks like I'm also in the same position. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 467.88 475.51 So um, yeah, actually we um Well, basically the the group who produced this uh proposal is made by Susan,
IB4005 H02 MIO036 459.7 465.19 so um it's probably not going to be very difficult to Yeah, please. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 466.52 467.88 Perfect. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 479.36 487.78 And we also well, Susan volunteered to ask Maggie and Pierrette about how they they felt about sharing offices, and. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 494.61 498.23 Um, then things started move a bit. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 460.96 461.56 Okay. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 462.16 462.42 Okay. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 463.06 463.9 So 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 533.72 535.53 So it's obviously a calm place. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 524.87 533.72 Uh, so let two people share this with uh sort of a, yeah, a place where we have a sofa maybe and uh and some books. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 535.53 542.59 People are not there to talk very loud, but they can sit and relax, and uh still look at at the mountains. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 514.11 519.67 And although it's true that the group, I agree, decided to to had to have a lounge 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 542.59 548.39 Um, also So that's one of the main differences, I think, maybe one of the points that we have to talk about. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 519.67 524.87 we propose to put the lounge uh in the room at the the upper side on on the right. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 546.87 547.29 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 551.17 557.46 So it's Gisella fifty per cent because she's only half time, and uh the fax machine. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 548.85 551.17 Uh the other one is the admin office. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 575.1 577.54 that even if she's here only half time 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 585.16 588.52 Uh Gisella has has no objection against sharing the office. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 572.38 575.1 so it appeared, at least to well to our group 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 588.52 591.48 We thought it was more for the the calm of the the people. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 577.54 585.16 she should have an office by her own because it would be quite disturbing for other people to to work in the the same office. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 565.91 572.38 Um, it's also true that she has quite a lot of files for most of the the projects actually that we manage,
IB4005 H02 MIO036 557.46 565.91 Um Gisella actually has a lot of phone calls to make and uh it's true that her activity is quite noisy when she's there. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 654.36 658.44 You had one, I think, called free space or spare spare place. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 637.87 645.6 It's true that it's someone coming next year, Susan reminded me this uh of this point, and I could not really ignore it. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 645.6 650.88 Uh, so um that she's an Italic, she will arrive in about two month. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 597.3 601.94 uh Maggie has no objection uh sharing an office with her assistant. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 618.16 623.55 Um so this is why we, yeah, we put Maggie with with Bruno. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 636.55 637.87 So that's Paola. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 591.88 597.3 It's true that this blocks one of the one person rooms, but uh on the other hand 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 613.38 618.16 the the Swedish one, who is sort of her assistant. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 650.88 654.36 And the two uh, vis one and vis two, are the visitor places. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 623.55 631.61 And then the third main difference uh would be the the number of visitor places or free places. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 605.41 613.38 We don't know about Pierrette sharing an office with two persons, but at least no problem in Pierrette sharing her office with uh Marianne,
IB4005 H02 MIO036 631.61 636.55 Uh you notice a new name in the room uh at the centre upper upper side. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 601.94 605.41 And this appeared to be true also of Pierrette. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 643.41 643.65 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 656.72 657.1 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 697.92 699.54 so that it smooth is. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 670.98 679.83 So I think there is quite a lot of space here to uh switch a little bit among the people, just to make some kind of smooth occupancy rate,
IB4005 H02 MIO036 679.83 688.45 so not to have one empty room when we have no visitors, um and uh then a very full room when everybody is is here. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 688.45 697.92 So I think we're we are quite willing to split and put say maybe one visitor with Maria and David uh fifty per cent in the other room with the second visitor 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 664.03 670.98 So the the two at the centre, uh where is written Paola, Yalina, the two visitors and then Maria plus David. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 658.99 664.03 Um we didn't really reach a very good agreement on the distribution of these two rooms. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 694.06 694.33 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 701.66 705.2 I've been here for almost two years, and we've had a couple of stagieurs, but that's it. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 698.56 701.66 But realistically we don't actually have that many visitors coming in. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 719.97 725.92 we cannot really put him with Gisella, because, well they wouldn't feel very nice, they they made a joke about that. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 705.77 714.48 exactly so the visitors are uh basically stagieur and it happens that sometimes we have two of them even if it's only for three or four month. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 705.28 705.77 Well, yeah 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 714.48 719.97 Martin seemed to insist that when we have a visiting professor, for instance,
IB4005 H00 FIE038 725.36 726.83 No, for a professor, yeah, but 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 726.88 727.08 Mm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 729.59 735.31 It's true that these one or two last one or two years we didn't have uh a visiting professor. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 727.12 729.59 So we should manage some kind of decent space. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 735.31 736.91 But um 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 755.91 757.73 These, I think, are the three main differences. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 757.73 761.93 Otherwise, we pretty much agree on uh on placing people. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 748.3 755.91 And the third one is the number of visitor visiting people and uh, well, how many of them we want to accommodate and where where we put it. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 741.21 743.72 So one is the place of the lounge. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 743.72 748.3 Uh, the other one is the uh the place of the admin office with Gisella. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 738.02 741.21 Yeah, so uh I think, yeah, these are the three main points. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 762.95 767.57 Oh, in a way, if that's your argumentation, then put a visiting person with a senior 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 763.38 763.84 Hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 768.69 772.81 researcher, at least, if not a professor, rather than two students. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 768.98 769.37 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 774.46 775.72 Um sorry? 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 773.16 774.46 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 775.72 777.96 I I didn't understand. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 783.09 787.74 then put them with another researcher, rather than two students. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 778.34 783.09 If you're gonna argue that the visitors are supposed to be important and they should have their own space,
IB4005 H02 MIO036 781.87 782.31 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 786.49 786.91 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 801.07 805.01 Um, so yeah, I I I don't mind this,
IB4005 H02 MIO036 788.32 792.25 Yeah, that's that's true, I think, yeah, they are are quite open to to this. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 792.25 794.97 Martin also reminded us that he is quite noisy. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 794.97 801.07 He has a lot of uh phone calls to make, even if it's here if he's here only fifty per cent of the time. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 805.01 811.97 but uh that's something But it's true, yeah, we could also try to put a visitor and the professor. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 812.69 812.94 Hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 839.17 845.76 I don't know how how you would like us to proceed from from here, or if you already have questions or reactions on this one. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 813.05 815.5 Um, Martin made another point. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 815.5 822.48 It was the fact that sometimes professor have to professors have to discuss sensitive matters about projects and financing,
IB4005 H02 MIO036 830.03 834.63 Like saying, oh I I have to reduce her t from eighty per cent to fifty per cent. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 834.63 839.17 That's probably something So I I mean, all these are constraints. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 822.48 830.03 and they sometimes might feel uncomfortable discussing this with their well, in the presence of their P. H. D. students. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 829.58 829.95 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 836.44 836.7 Uh-uh. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 846.85 846.94 Mm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 847.49 849.98 But how often the lounge is used, um 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 851.54 855.77 People uses on regular basis daily basis or 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 860.3 861.72 I mean it's a Yeah. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 884.69 889.37 And because we do a lot of reading and things like that, it does get used fairly often. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 873.13 879.78 the office chairs, it sort of has comfortable sofas and armchairs and things like that, where you can just go and relax 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 861.72 868.51 It's a fairly new thing in the department, but it's being used pretty regularly or something that a lot of people wanted 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 879.78 884.69 and or if you wanna read something for a longer period of time in a more comfortable environment. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 855.94 860.3 Fairly regularly there's at least one or two people in there. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 868.51 873.13 just sort of quiet space out of your office that doesn't have the office furniture,
IB4005 H03 MIO078 857.74 857.85 Oh. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 859.59 859.89 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 860.28 861.44 In the lounge, yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 864.45 864.66 Okay. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 868.87 869 Hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 876.81 877.15 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 880.34 880.69 Hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 891.93 894.87 And it's it's it's a quiet place. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 894.87 895.07 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 889.35 891.93 So it's not a place for discussion. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 899.5 906.57 but you can't displace people who are in there reading, just because you want to have a mini-meeting or whatever. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 892.78 899.5 We sort of have an open policy where if there's no one in there and you want to have a discussion, then that's fine,
IB4005 H01 MIE032 899.32 899.69 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 903.04 903.57 Mm I see. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 903.06 903.48 Okay. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 903.9 904.45 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 915.84 917.1 how are you gonna keep them separate? 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 917.1 917.58 'Cause it seems like 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 906.58 915.84 And so i there's no are you planning some kind of partition between the lounge and the offices or ar How are you gonna keep those things I think should ask the question to you 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 911.3 911.73 Yes. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 913.98 915.18 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 915.18 917.37 Yeah um 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 916.26 916.57 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 921.33 928.78 Um, well we were told that it was not really possible to build walls, but we noticed that this room actually has two doors. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 917.4 918.74 Well Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 928.78 933.06 So uh we thought that maybe we could put some kind of, well, separation. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 918.74 921.33 Yeah, we Yeah, that's true, that's one of the problems. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 933.06 937.82 I Yeah, maybe just, yeah, furniture or just uh some kind of screen. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 918.69 919.92 fairly separate functions. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 927.83 928.4 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 931.15 931.27 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 932.67 935.31 Book-cases or something or Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 933.22 933.95 Mm yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 935.09 935.28 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 936.91 937.1 Hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 938.11 940.85 But it won't be uh an acoustic separation? 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 940.55 942.06 No, it's not sound-proof. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 950.05 950.61 Um, 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 945.78 950.05 So if they're noisy, that could disrupt the quiet of the lounge. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 941.84 945.78 So if if the Those are students there? 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 944.84 945.87 Yeah, they're 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 949.06 949.27 Yeah. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 955.99 960.73 So if you really want peace and quiet, you shut the door and when the doors are shut,
IB4005 H00 FIE038 951.63 955.99 Which is sort of why in our proposal we had it completely as a separate room. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 960.73 964.3 like unless someone's making noise right outside the door, it really is fairly quiet. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 952.05 952.26 but 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 952.09 952.7 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 953.88 954.62 As a separate room. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 955.13 955.49 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 955.67 956.05 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 957.58 957.74 Mm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 960.72 961.13 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 961.09 961.39 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 964.4 964.87 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 964.74 966.16 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 966.16 966.4 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 966.68 976.01 But you've also put the lounge in a a very k kind of a high-traffic area where the mailboxes are, the printer and the restrooms. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 976.01 977.23 So that's um 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 973.55 974.08 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 978.39 980.32 That may also tha that may be good for 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 981.55 988.62 meeting people and bumping into people, but it's maybe against the idea if it's a very supposed to be an isolated quiet spot. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 987.09 987.66 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 988.93 989.22 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 998.38 1004.09 Now, how for instance would the university feel about a room that would be only used as a lounge? 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1004.09 1008.44 Would they feel it's too empty and that we have too much space? 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1008.44 1010.14 Or w is there no problem? 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 989.08 990.63 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 990.63 998.38 Yeah, well, it was actually this pressure from from my group that led to this, to squeeze a little bit uh the place of the lounge. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1010.14 1013.62 The Do do you see a problem with having a l a room just for a lounge or no? 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 990.15 991.37 So I d mm, you know 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 998.1 998.41 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1004 1004.51 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1008.72 1009.07 Hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1013.44 1013.97 Mm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1022.01 1024.26 Saves us money. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1015.08 1021.15 Well, maybe if it if it helps us pack more people into the offices, because they have a private lounge. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1024.26 1025.07 But uh 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1021.15 1022.01 maybe it's a good thing. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1022.47 1022.86 Hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1018.84 1022.47 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1024.5 1024.58 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1025.7 1031.08 So we could have a separate room as a lounge as long as uh we pack the other offices. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1031.19 1033.73 Uh yeah, I guess that's Let's see, what is that? 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1032.63 1034.92 Personally I I have no problem with this. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1034.92 1037.06 So um that's that's fine. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1032.15 1032.63 Mm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1034.04 1034.31 Mm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1039.25 1039.58 Mm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1040.86 1046.95 I mean, suppose if the need really arises and it comes to a point where we do have a lot of people 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1049.46 1057.08 figure out what to do with the furniture, either distribute it between various offices or put it into storage somewhere. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1046.95 1049.46 then you can get rid of the lounge,
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1049.52 1049.84 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1051.49 1051.82 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1053.26 1053.78 Mm yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1060.04 1063.09 Your your department has a lounge and it gets used a lot. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1057 1060.04 So you've it's it's not a completely experimental concept. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1063.09 1063.27 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1055.4 1057 But you're saying it does get used. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1059.08 1059.36 Yeah. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1060.04 1061.55 No no no. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1065.58 1069.47 where people were complaining that sort of in the middle of the afternoon they just wanted somewhere to go off and 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1061.55 1065.58 No, this is something that it started off sort of as a discussion at the coffee table 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1065.04 1065.48 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1068.41 1068.48 Oh. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1069.3 1069.63 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1069.88 1070.21 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1070.07 1070.57 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1071.97 1073.54 So you have some Oh. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1072.06 1076.15 no have some quiet time and That's where it came from. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1076.4 1077.24 Mm hmm 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1074.8 1076.4 So you have some books also like? 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1088.58 1096.83 It's more really about having a comfortable place to sit um where it's not an office environment, it doesn't look anything like an office. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1083.05 1088.58 everyone has a bookshelf in their office and we just go in and borrow books from everyone else. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1077.2 1083.05 There are bookshelves in there, but it's not really a library, 'cause everyone At the moment 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1079.7 1080.33 Oh, okay. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1081.51 1081.66 Hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1085.32 1085.47 Oh. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1091.99 1092.25 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1097.14 1101.48 Yeah, you mean you can display some new journals or a new proceedings and Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1097.35 1097.77 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1097.51 1098.32 So it's just 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1106.94 1111.32 We've got a bulletin board where you can paste up articles that you think are b interesting for other people, but 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1100.11 1106.94 Yeah yeah, and people can come w in with their stuff or leave a newspaper or a magazine lying around for other people. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1102.74 1102.98 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1101.64 1102.74 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1101.99 1103 Yeah yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1104.11 1104.44 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1104.44 1104.55 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1105.85 1105.97 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1107.04 1107.32 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1108.95 1109.32 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1111.52 1111.68 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1111.94 1112.19 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1112.77 1121 Okay, so I think maybe we can agree on on the lounge in a separate room if we can manage to to find space elsewhere. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1121 1126.06 What about Gisella, how do you feel about putting her in a separate office? 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1134.11 1134.38 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1130.04 1132.03 Well she has an extra Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1132.03 1134.11 With a visitor space, yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1127.94 1130.04 Which is the case now I think. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1127.96 1128.58 I d 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1130.33 1138.07 Well she shares an office, so Which is why we were thinking that it wouldn't be a problem to s keep her with a spare person 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1140.35 1148.58 and if you're a stagieur and you're coming, and you don't necessarily expect to have a full-blown office, if you are only there for about two months. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1138.07 1140.35 because that's the w the situation it is right now,
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1136.9 1137.44 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1143.2 1143.63 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1148.65 1148.95 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1156.75 1157.26 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1148.88 1151.91 Yeah, it depends on what kind of visitor you are exactly. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1155.14 1156.75 This is uh very nice. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1151.91 1155.14 So we could say some kind of low key visitor. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1151.59 1151.89 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1156.36 1156.83 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1158.32 1162.3 You mean these fifty per cents, I mean, they're all separate or 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1162.68 1168.41 Actually, Gisella fifty per cent means that she's there half time, uh generally in the mornings. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1166.82 1167 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1168.74 1168.92 Okay. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1187.93 1196.78 So our rationale for putting them in a three person room is is that it doesn't matter when they're there and whether they're there for certain hours or not. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1181.83 1187.93 I mean, they can't s specify when exactly they'll be there. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1174.49 1181.83 Like they can't say that they'll be there Monday, Tuesday and half of Wednesday, and not the rest of the time, which is part of the problem. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1204.99 1207.49 It's not like we work, you know, nine to five or whatever. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1196.78 1204.99 It's just either there's two or three people in those rooms, and sometimes there's less, sometimes there's more, because we also don't work fixed hours. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1168.84 1174.49 Gisella has a fixed schedule for when she's there, but David and Martin are sort of they f it fluctuates. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1207.49 1210.4 Everyone sort of keeps their own hours. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1168.93 1169.1 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1170.2 1170.58 Yeah, okay. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1173.3 1173.44 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1174.82 1175.84 I mean, they don't Okay. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1176.9 1177.26 Yeah yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1178.47 1178.81 Yeah okay. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1178.95 1179.42 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1187.9 1188.52 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1197 1197.32 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1198.11 1198.3 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1202.49 1202.89 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1208.43 1208.64 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1211.27 1216.19 So, can you just summarize briefly the differences between your two proposals, the key differences? 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1217.73 1223.08 Um, I think it's what I tried to to do before, it's the shared lounge, uh th 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1217.76 1218.63 Uh sh shared 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1219.94 1220.07 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1220.16 1224.7 Yeah, the shared lounge, the the assistants with their professors. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1225.38 1226.04 Um 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1225.58 1226.85 In two cases. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1226.85 1227.13 Yeah? 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1227.11 1227.38 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1227.28 1229.92 And then secretary has separate room. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1227.98 1229.63 Do you have assistants with professors? 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1230.07 1233.66 We have Pierrette and Marianne in the same 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1232.98 1236.36 No, I think this is quite accepted and it's a bit the case. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1232.63 1232.98 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1236.36 1239.55 No, I think it's uh the lounge uh the admin room 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1235.08 1235.96 So that's okay. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1234.8 1235.08 Oh okay. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1235.96 1236.25 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1235.8 1236.65 Yeah, okay 'cause 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1237.14 1238.49 So Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1239.58 1239.96 Yeah, okay. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1242.1 1243.23 Not shared. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1239.88 1242.1 T. V. at The lounge, the admin room separate. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1240.58 1240.88 An 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1253.36 1263.3 People said uh we should have at least two or three spare places, just for, you know, growing or sometimes you have three interns that arrive. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1263.3 1266.08 So even if they are not perfect places. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1242.09 1247.98 Yeah, and the number of slots for visitors and for this new student who arrives,
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1266.08 1266.6 Um 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1247.98 1253.36 because having just one spare place, this was probably the strongest disagreement in my group. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1242.29 1242.69 Yeah. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1244.19 1245.18 For visitors. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1245.43 1245.65 Mm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1253.08 1253.36 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1258.13 1258.3 Mm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1262.96 1263.36 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1269.61 1275.28 Okay, so you basically achieve that by giving less space to the reading room, I think. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1274.92 1275.21 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1275.72 1278.76 Yeah, that's yeah, that's how we did in in our proposal, yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1276.78 1277.09 Right. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1275.75 1276.78 Yeah. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1275.9 1276.15 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1276.36 1276.57 Yeah. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1278.74 1278.99 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1280.05 1280.65 Uh. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1282.48 1286.32 So I guess what One of the questions is how important is the reading room to your group really? 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1286.32 1292.83 Is it is it something that's a very valued thing that has to be protected, um 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1292.83 1301.36 or is it okay to l make it be kind of this spare space that gets used up a little bit when you need when you have some extra visitors or things like that. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1301.36 1302.01 I think that's 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1286.79 1286.91 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1292.82 1293.24 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1295.45 1295.91 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1299.24 1299.47 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1301.24 1301.51 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1302.69 1303.07 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1311.78 1317.36 they sort of see the value of it and they wouldn't want to see it wiped out entirely, definitely. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1309.07 1311.78 I think that most people like it, now that it's there,
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1303.52 1309.07 I think, because it's a fairly new thing, it's a little hard to say at this point. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1306.23 1306.5 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1308.21 1308.66 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1311.82 1312.15 Mm yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1316.45 1316.88 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1318.05 1318.49 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1324.13 1324.99 So it 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1318.2 1324.13 But I suppose once it if it gets eaten away a little bit, at one some point it becomes unuseful, and then Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1321.14 1321.46 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1322.84 1323.13 Yeah. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1323.08 1323.44 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1323.75 1324.13 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1324.48 1326.15 And that's the danger is 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1324.87 1326.19 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1324.99 1326.15 Mm yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1327.39 1335.88 But then we need to squeeze in in one of the three person rooms some extra visitor space and uh I I think so. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1338.16 1341.17 Uh I think it's possible by playing a little bit with the furniture. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1335.88 1338.16 If if we want to keep the reading room. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1329.8 1329.97 N d 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1334.65 1334.91 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1341.86 1342.16 Hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1342.23 1342.38 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1342.74 1345.95 Um, so yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1355.94 1363.94 So I wouldn't put him in that big office, even if he's fifty per cent, but he's still a professor here and we got him from E. P. F. L. . 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1350.21 1354.45 the fact that Martin is said he would be quite noisy fifty per cent of the time. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1354.45 1355.94 So many phone calls. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1345.95 1350.21 I think another point here, and I don't know how you you feel about it, is, well 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1358.18 1358.55 Yeah. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1361.7 1361.99 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1364.3 1364.57 Mm 'kay. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1364.44 1364.86 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1365.28 1374.55 So that I I think I mean if we need to reach a solution now, I I wouldn't mind working from your plan, and doing some changes. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1374.55 1377.42 Or if you prefer working from mine and doing other changes. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1376.1 1376.8 Sure. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1376.8 1377.36 Either way. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1379.84 1380.73 So um 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1380.88 1383.12 Okay well, since this one's up, keep this one in. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1384.31 1388.41 Depends how how easy you can write in it. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1383.33 1384.31 Okay, yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1390.65 1397.92 Uh also I think Pierrette Pierrette and Martin p should deserve at least I think offices with one person, not with two. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1388.41 1390.65 Okay, so let's keep the reading room. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1386.92 1387.87 Easily, go ahead. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1390.4 1390.67 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1393.84 1394.31 Yeah. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1395.73 1396.65 Double rooms. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1398.33 1398.67 Mm 'kay. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1399.48 1400 Uh 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1399.49 1404.67 Maybe can you combine both, or like in two person room, Pierrette too? 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1403.91 1404.89 Pierrette and Martin? 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1405.01 1406.8 Yeah, Martin is fifty per cent. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1411.5 1415.71 I think, no real project in common, so I wonder 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1406.44 1407.24 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1407.24 1411.5 We we never asked them, it could be, but um on the other side they have,
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1410.29 1411.24 Maybe 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1415.97 1416.45 Okay. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1421.62 1426.5 to see them with the respective assistants, and I think Pierrette plus Marianne is a very good combination. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1416.83 1421.62 Whe I I think I would prefer, and probably my group would prefer,
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1426.7 1427.02 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1435.19 1437.8 Yeah, Marianne Swedish, and then Pierrette. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1427.62 1432.76 Why not switching them from, yeah, that office? 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1432.76 1435.19 Yeah, switch the whole group. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1431.81 1432 Here? 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1435.45 1436 Out 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1439.92 1441.92 So what does that mean, Swedish um 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1441.86 1444.09 There's two Mariannes, one is Swedish, one is Finnish. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1444.09 1447.64 So we just call them the Swedish and the Finnish. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1442 1443.44 Because there are two Mariannes. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1442.49 1443.45 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1443.65 1445.75 One is finishing. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1445.21 1446.78 Okay. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1443.86 1445.21 Oh, I see. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1446.78 1447.47 Okay. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1447.07 1451.34 And both family names start with S. T. A. . 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1448.19 1448.64 Oops. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1451.11 1452.69 Oh. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1451.52 1453.06 Oh. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1453.06 1453.41 Okay. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1452.85 1453.38 No. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1455.32 1455.77 Yes. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1453.38 1454.12 No, not true. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1454.12 1455.32 The just S. . 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1453.28 1455.49 No, both start with S. but 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1455.01 1458.11 Just S., uh so just to know who they are, okay. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1462.86 1464.75 Uh, it was Bruno, right? 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1465.45 1465.62 Yeah. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1467.32 1467.6 Mm 'kay. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1468.32 1469.05 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1470.28 1473.08 Now let's do something with Martin too. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1473.08 1473.68 Um 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1474.12 1478.4 But then you can create on more spared place in that big three piece room, no 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1478.44 1478.83 In here? 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1480.76 1481.77 fifty per cent. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1479.31 1480.76 Yeah, somewhere. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1482.8 1487.65 David is fifty per cent and visitor one should Yeah, or spare or It's fine. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1479.32 1482.8 Yeah, maybe we can write it down, say vis vis one. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1481.84 1482.16 Okay. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1488.94 1490.42 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1490.42 1491.33 Gisella 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1490.32 1494.35 Well for m Martin If you didn't mind working with Martin, we can switch Nancy and Martin here. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1493.44 1494.96 Yeah, mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1494.96 1498 I think that's closer to what I said. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1498.31 1498.62 Oops. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1504.82 1505.92 You know, call I. M. two. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1501.24 1504.82 Well, because actually we have this project in common. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1506.06 1507.33 Yeah. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1508.46 1509.47 Wrong keyboard. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1507.33 1508.46 Ah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1510.57 1512.12 I've heard of that. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1514.52 1520.51 Um yeah, I think it's And so d could we um 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1520.58 1528.88 So we can say that this is sort of for But then again you get the more formal visitor in with a bunch of students in a crowded room. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1526.04 1526.43 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1529.5 1534.44 Well, I think, yeah, always Gisella, but I think there is no way to uh 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1534.39 1538.7 Well, you can say that this one is for let's say stagieurs or interns. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1538.27 1539.95 Yeah, sort of second uh 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1537.13 1538.27 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1540.63 1541.29 Um 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1540.63 1540.97 Yeah yeah yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1541.3 1542.16 Um, yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1545.69 1549.04 The k Because she's only fifty per cent working and 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1542.53 1545.69 But then you can move administration to the single room. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1549.6 1549.93 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1550.36 1551.18 and she will 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1553.21 1556.6 So you would put Gisella in a one person room? 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1556.6 1557.19 Yeah? 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1557.19 1557.37 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1555.86 1561.53 Yeah, and give that room to f some professor with a student or from for visitor with the visiting place or 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1554.44 1555.86 Oh yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1562.37 1562.84 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1565.89 1568.34 Yeah, we could, yeah, even put 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1569.03 1570.78 Well you can move Maggie and Bruno 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1572.24 1574.15 We couldn't put Maggie and Bruno together. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1574.15 1575.8 That's obviously the case. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1573.44 1574.77 into this room. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1574.77 1580.93 Move Gisella, move the other spare place to the big room, but then there's not a lot of people in there. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1581.25 1581.84 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1583.34 1585.52 No, let's leave it like this for the moment. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1585.52 1592 How do you feel, because your office well, three persons and you are all full time in there, so you with Nancy and Maria? 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1592.13 1594.19 We're not terribly noisy, I think it'll be fine. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1595.03 1597.85 Yeah and you have Parmenides in common with Nancy. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1594.23 1595.03 Uh-huh. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1607.23 1608.22 So that shouldn't be a problem. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1599.18 1601.16 And I am too in common with Maria. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1601.16 1607.23 And we work on slightly different schedules too, 'cause Maria and I tend to work earlier and Nancy tends to work later. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1597.88 1599.18 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1600.4 1600.85 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1606.71 1607.16 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1610.27 1610.55 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1611.01 1614.43 And do you think we could put a visitor with Nikos and Yalina? 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1619.42 1626.26 Yalina's master thesis should be defended in a couple of months or something like that. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1614.43 1619.42 Because it's it's also it's not very clear, you know, Yalina's that we said in our meeting. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1642.24 1645.17 Wouldn't you like to have a calmer spot? 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1628.93 1632.85 So we could at least think it's sort of an open place. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1632.85 1640.98 Or we could get that office for you and Nancy and put Nikos and uh Yalina with Maria and a visitor? 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1626.26 1628.93 So we don't really know what happens afterwards. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1640.98 1642.24 What about that? 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1625.14 1625.61 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1631.54 1631.79 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1632.1 1632.45 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1633.88 1634.1 Yeah. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1642.28 1642.76 Yeah. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1644.79 1645.12 Sure. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1646.53 1648.73 Um, so you want to do 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1649.56 1649.74 Mm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1650.2 1651.41 That's gonna back-fire on me. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1658.94 1659.21 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1657.24 1658.94 You need space for four desks? 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1652.6 1657.24 So when you when you put four people in that office, does that mean you're planning on four desks? 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1658.5 1658.88 Yeah. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1659.92 1665.48 And that's the problem is that you either get smaller desks, 'cause the ones that we have now won't fit. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1660.82 1661.89 Do you know if it's possible. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1661.89 1662.13 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1664.44 1666.01 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1676.47 1681.35 They just need a a desk and probably just one drawer under underneath. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1666.01 1672.16 Yeah, but a visitor actually uh doesn't have that much paper, so for instance maybe they don't need uh,
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1672.16 1676.47 well uh the place to put their files, you know, a smaller drawer. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1670 1670.27 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1674.96 1675.28 Mm right. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1679.3 1679.44 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1680.44 1681.78 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1681.78 1683.66 And so you can fit that, you think. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1683.7 1686.91 But you can't put three desks in the two person rooms. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1687.09 1687.47 No. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1687.5 1688.57 Yeah, probably not. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1688.57 1693.79 I think it wouldn't be uh Yalina and maybe we could think of a visitor too here? 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1688.66 1689.05 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1689.19 1689.61 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1695.2 1695.93 So that 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1695.38 1696.59 I think it's gonna be too much. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1697.17 1697.69 Think so? 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1699.4 1700.84 Well, Maria is full-time. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1699.53 1704.88 Because remember there is also this Paola arriving um on the new project. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1704.88 1707.65 So, you know, Susan insisted that uh 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1709.16 1709.85 we should be 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1713.08 1718.02 And it it's al also it's not very clear because Nikos and Yalina are Well,
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1718.02 1723.55 Nikos is um research student, Yalina will finish her master thesis, so it's 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1725.38 1726.22 Yeah, okay. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1726.22 1728.52 Yeah, Paola or Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1727.25 1727.96 So just like that? 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1729.61 1731.62 Or maybe Paola will be able to choose. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1731.47 1731.83 Mm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1733.85 1739.02 I don't know about any preference of Maggie being alone or with Bruno, or no? 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1732.77 1733.85 Yeah, I think that's quite okay. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1734.33 1734.46 No? 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1734.34 1734.62 Okay. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1738.46 1739.55 I don't think she cares. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1740.16 1740.4 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1741.09 1741.27 Mm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1741.54 1748.23 Um, David mentioned also that there should be some kind of gender balance. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1747.16 1747.92 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1748.44 1751.77 Uh I don't know if there is a strong constraint, but I think we are doing pretty well. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1751.75 1756.88 You mean Maybe you should break the wall between the men's room and the women's room. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1756.88 1759.81 Sorry. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1752.4 1753.4 Well, so 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1756.11 1764.91 I'm not sure that was what was meant, but 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1762.16 1763.55 No. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1764.22 1770.13 Actu Bruno did mention that he didn't want to be in a room with a lot of people, 'cause he did that before and he didn't really like it. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1771.56 1772.46 So maybe 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1771.6 1771.98 Oh mm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1773.39 1773.62 Ha. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1773.96 1776.82 I don't know, I can switch with him, and we can put him and Nancy together. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1776.82 1778.24 I don't mind, it doesn't really bother me. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1783.58 1786.04 And okay, yeah, I'm with Martin. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1778.95 1783.58 Okay, that's fine if he mentioned this to you, that's quite nice. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1786.04 1787.04 Not very balanced. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1780.94 1781.44 Okay. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1781.44 1781.74 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1781.66 1781.97 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1789.65 1793.79 Well, the gender balancing, we have more women than men in our department anyways so 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1791 1791.38 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1799.45 1800.48 Okay, yeah, that looks good. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1800.48 1802.81 So Agnes with Marianne and David. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1794.07 1799.45 Yeah, that's why Okay, if you don't mind me sharing the office with Martin, that's fine. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1805.39 1810.02 That's nice and he is fifty per cent, so that means the office is not very crowded. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1810.02 1812.94 Okay, the other one is a bit crowded, but that's okay. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1812.94 1813.49 Gisel 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1802.81 1805.39 Yeah, so you have I. M. two in common. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1799.07 1799.22 No. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1801.02 1801.61 Okay? 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1812.68 1815.35 Do you see any constraints from any administrative sides? 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1815.61 1816 Mm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1816.05 1816.65 Mm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1818.76 1823.51 But even like you can put mm Paola in administrate office like 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1822.87 1823.15 Mm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1824.48 1826.19 You're already three people. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1826.19 1829.1 Mm, it looks like small room compared to the other three p 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1828.57 1829.04 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1830.79 1835.25 Is your person to square meter ratio within the n university norms? 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1836.58 1836.98 Hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1837.27 1840.21 Um I I think for the moment. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1837.81 1840.2 Good question. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1840.57 1841.52 We don't we don't, I mean 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1841.52 1851.11 we don't want people coming in seeing this lavish reading room and and and everyone having their own office if that's not what we are having in the other places. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1851.11 1857.06 We have to make sure that um if for example there's a spare reading room, like we were saying before. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1857.06 1861.01 Overall your department has doesn't have excessive space per person. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1838 1840.57 Overall. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1844.17 1844.35 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1845.96 1847.77 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1847.77 1847.86 K 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1850.61 1850.91 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1852.08 1852.38 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1850.76 1852.08 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1861.28 1861.56 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1861.8 1862.84 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1870.61 1873.74 well, she noticed that most of them have rooms alone. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1862.84 1870.61 Well, what was said in in my group, actually Susan who knows professors from other um other faculties,
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1874.06 1874.42 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1909.9 1915.96 And we're only fifteen if you don't count Paola and some visitor's place. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1879.81 1885.16 So we can already argue that uh we're squeezing in even the the professors. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1906.82 1909.9 Um, eighteen or or seventeen. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1927.4 1935.12 So I think we're, yeah, on Well, the reaction of my group was that this was almost full already, so I well, we tried to 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1898.96 1906.82 so um I think, yeah, it's normally the nominal capacity of this, I think, it's uh eighteen people. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1891.08 1898.96 And I think putting four people in a three person room is already a sign that uh we are already quite uh quite full,
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1885.16 1891.08 It's true that the reading room But you know we fought so much to have it, so let's uh let's try to have it there. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1923.29 1927.4 well, intern, during the summer, you're very much handicapped. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1874.9 1879.81 So this is true for Susan and Maggie, but not true here for Pierrette and and and Martin. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1915.96 1923.29 And I think it's quite important to have space for visitors, because if you have no visitors or if you cannot take a new,
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1897.28 1897.66 Mm right. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1906.47 1906.73 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1907.08 1907.68 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1911.62 1911.97 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1915.59 1915.86 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1919.59 1919.97 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1926.38 1926.64 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1933.38 1933.7 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1934.96 1937.04 So basically, we're moving into a new space, but it's 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1934.19 1934.96 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1935.9 1936.49 I thin 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1937.05 1937.44 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1938.28 1940.37 only marginally better than the old one. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1940.38 1940.8 Mm yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1940.52 1940.95 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1943.51 1949.84 what we could say about the reading room is that we we squeeze quite a lot of people in in the other offices, so I think it's okay. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1942.05 1943.51 Yeah, so I think, yeah,
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1942.98 1943.22 Mm bu 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1947.52 1947.98 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1949.16 1949.65 Alright. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1952.07 1952.22 Well, 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1953.44 1953.92 Um 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1953.76 1956.26 it's good in case I ever have to defend it. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1956.26 1959.33 You know, it's good to have some numbers, if you can come up with some numbers uh 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1958.89 1960.28 Mm sure, yeah, we can do that. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1959.8 1960.65 Some 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1964.45 1966.24 That's It's it's good to have that. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1960.68 1964.45 And maybe uh relative to some other comparable departments. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1964.76 1965.16 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1964.97 1965.29 Mm 'kay. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1965.52 1965.77 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1975.44 1976.85 I don't know about you, what do you think? 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1976.85 1978.99 Yeah? 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 1968.79 1975.44 But if you both agree with this plan and you think your group will be happy, then uh fine with me. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1972.75 1972.97 Sure. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1973.09 1973.24 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1976.47 1977.74 Yeah, it's fine. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1979.13 1981.36 So I'll save that. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1978.09 1979.13 Okay. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1981.36 1981.62 Yeah. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1984.01 1986.34 Maybe it's another name. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1979.83 1984.01 Perfect, just save it please. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1986.34 1987.5 Just say okay, it's fine. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1993.46 1993.74 Okay. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1993.98 1994.2 Okay. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 1994.93 2001.63 So, my group also asked to circulate the final proposal just to make sure there is no major problem. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1999.07 2004.56 I'll circulate it to everyone, along with the numbers that you guys wanted to see in terms of the space. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 1997.94 1999.07 The final copy. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 1999.32 1999.49 Mm-hmm. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 2000.88 2001.07 Yeah. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 2002.21 2002.41 Yeah. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 2002.82 2003.28 Okay. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 2003.71 2005.04 And the numbers. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 2005.89 2006.1 Okay? 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 2006.48 2006.63 Yep. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 2006.56 2007.15 And we're done. 
IB4005 H00 FIE038 2007.52 2009.39 Great, thank you for your time. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 2007.7 2008.07 Alright. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 2008.07 2008.91 Well, thank you. 
IB4005 H03 MIO078 2008.8 2009.35 Thank you. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 2010.29 2010.7 Thank you. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 2009.79 2010.29 No problem. 
IB4005 H02 MIO036 2009.83 2011.42 Thank you, sirs. 
IB4005 H01 MIE032 2012.55 2013.04 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 47.14 47.37 Hi. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 47.66 48.03 Hi. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 48.29 48.93 Hello. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 48.67 48.91 Hello. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 48.96 49.65 Hi everyone. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 54.84 56.05 Do you no? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 49.6 54.84 So I don't know if you all received the the a agenda for this meeting. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 55.22 56.09 No, I haven't. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 57.19 57.58 Here it is. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 57.38 57.71 Thank you. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 58.16 59.07 I haven't. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 59.92 66.33 So um um the goal for today are um We have two goals. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 66.33 72.11 Uh first is to decide a movie for uh the next projection for our movie club. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 72.11 77.03 As you know uh so it's for the last Friday of this month of April. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 77.03 87.82 As you probably remember, the movie already projected were uh Lawrence of Arabia and Apocalypse Now in February and Amadeus from Milos Forman in March. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 71.31 71.63 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 71.7 72.11 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 100.27 110.79 and second goal is to uh discuss for an ad advertising poster um for our um uh club 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 110.79 115.08 because we noticed that n last time not enough people came to the projection. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 97.41 100.27 So that's the first goal, decide for a movie to be projected 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 87.95 97.41 So um the question that is open is are we going to select a movie from the nineties and which movie. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 116.13 117.99 So that's it. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 117.99 121.34 Um wh who wants to start to 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 123.3 127.34 So I guess you all prepared some documents for the mm selection of movie. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 128.79 129.31 Yep. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 127.65 128.79 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 130.25 132.73 Actually maybe um 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 128.29 129.06 Yes. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 129.06 130.25 So who who has what? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 128.59 128.86 Okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 131.88 134.21 Um I've got a PowerPoint presentation. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 135 135.34 Uh-huh. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 135.34 136.4 What do you have, Mirek? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 135.03 135.51 Okay. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 136.55 142.69 Okay, I have a PowerPoint presentation and uh it's about there are some reviews of the of the I think like seven movies. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 142.88 143.93 Uh-huh. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 143.93 150.37 And I have a uh well just a a piece of paper with some suggestions. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 150.37 151.44 What about you, Denis? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 151.29 154.99 Yeah, I have also uh a piece of paper with uh my favourite movie. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 155.3 155.63 Uh-huh. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 156.3 157.02 Okay, so 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 159.11 159.22 Yeah? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 156.63 159.11 should we start with the two presentations maybe? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 159.04 159.65 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 159.65 159.88 Okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 158.03 159.04 presentation? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 159.88 161.77 A Agnes, we can start with you? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 161.49 161.74 Sure. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 163.49 165.3 It's not very long in any case. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 166.02 167.2 Okay, here it is. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 167.66 169.35 Yep. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 169.35 171.1 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 168.76 169.64 I passed this one. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 180.73 189.11 Apocalypse Now and Amadeus, were fairly historical, serious, dramatic, and also action-ey movies except for maybe Amadeus. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 189.11 196.19 Um this month I was thinking of selecting something that's more in the present time, still dramatic but slightly less serious. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 172.6 180.73 Okay, so what I was thinking is basically the previous movies that we had, which you've already mentioned in the agenda d um Lawrence of Arabia,
IB4010 H00 FIE038 201.33 208.81 And I know that a lot of people find mystery is not really mysterious in the movies these days, they kind of can predict what's gonna happen 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 226.48 232.4 or you see where the clues were and mm what led up to the end, so that's more along the lines of what I was thinking. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 197.27 201.33 And what I'd propose is something of a thriller or mystery. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 217.98 223.14 And even if people have already seen the movie, a lot of the times you go back and watch the movie again 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 208.81 213.99 um but in the nineties there were some movies that did have surprise endings and that people came out saying okay,
IB4010 H00 FIE038 223.14 226.48 and you pick up on things that you didn't really notice the first time around,
IB4010 H00 FIE038 213.99 217.98 didn't see that coming, so I thought we could maybe show one of those. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 229.65 230.05 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 233.44 236.11 And the two in particular that I would propose are, 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 262.76 270.94 Um they're arrested, they're released from prison and the get together um and plan a crime 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 244.45 251.14 Uh The Usual Suspects was directed by Bryan Singer and written by Christopher McQuarrie. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 251.14 258.52 It has a fairly large cast, so I'm not gonna read all of them, but the main characters are Kevin Spacey and Gabriel Byrne. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 241.19 244.45 Um I don't know if you've seen any of them. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 258.52 262.76 And it's basically about five criminals who get set up. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 270.94 275.05 and basically the story is told through the views of one of the suspects. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 237.4 241.19 next slide please, The Usual Suspects and The Sixth Sense. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 279.02 291.08 no coincidence and you get told the story um as uh that these f characters are being controlled um by one sort of uber-villain 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 294.14 299.75 And I kind of like the the quote from Rolling Stone magazine, The Usual Suspects is the freshest, funniest 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 275.83 279.02 Um the tag line is kind of neat, five criminals, one lineup 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 291.08 294.14 and in the end you find who the uber-villain was. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 300.52 301.79 The guy who was controlling? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 301.79 304.1 I don't remember, I have seen the movie twice, but uh 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 298.85 300.52 Which which one was it again? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 303.87 305.6 Well they ha have you guys seen the movie? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 305.62 306.67 No, I haven't seen it. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 306.26 306.83 No, I haven't. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 306.99 308.89 It's the bald guy, the 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 313.7 316.23 I'll tell you later. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 316.23 320.2 But the the quote from Rolling Stone is fairly accurate, I think. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 320.2 324.01 It's one of the freshest, funniest and scariest crime thrillers to come along since Pulp Fiction. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 307.13 312.05 So I'm not gonna give away you want me to give away the movie? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 312.05 313.7 That'll spoil it. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 312.58 315.43 Okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 310.91 312.58 No, no. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 331.25 336.55 Um it was written and directed by M. Night uh Shyamalan and stars Bruce Willis 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 336.55 342.49 Haley Joel Osment and Toni Collette and again has a neat twist that you find out right at the end. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 325.22 331.25 And the other movie is The Sixth Sense with the famous line I see dead people, which the little boy says. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 343.97 346.58 Yeah, it's a bit more commercial that one. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 346.58 347.02 first one. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 344.49 344.77 Um. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 346.24 346.54 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 347.45 347.81 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 347.98 350.41 yeah, The Sixth Sense was very commercial, but 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 355.33 357.52 Is it the the poster or 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 351.97 355.33 So w what what is this s the second image on the slide? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 352.03 352.52 anyways 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 356.34 361.28 It's the poster for The Sixth Sense, but unfortunately I couldn't find a clear, big enough one. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 361.83 368.23 Has a s it has a strange format, um horizontal and uh so it's one two three four five six. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 383.37 388.48 It has an R. rating, so I don't remember what type of audience we had at the last 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 377.27 383.37 So The Usual Suspects is a hundred and five minutes long, so it's a decent length of time. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 365.87 372.48 Yeah, I th I think it's only part of a full yeah, it goes th the all of the se all of the senses. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 372.48 377.27 Um if you go to the next slide there's slightly more detailed things about the movies. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 364.68 365.87 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 375.34 375.63 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 389.2 392.94 uh shows, but it may not necessarily be suitable for kids. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 389.36 390.05 Um 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 392.5 393.79 R. is what uh in 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 394.04 398.03 R. is sort of if you're eighteen and under, you have to have an adult with you. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 398.53 398.85 Okay. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 399.11 399.25 Hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 401.1 401.39 Uh-huh. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 399.16 401.1 So it means restricted. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 399.32 402.37 It's mostly for violence, yeah, it's restricted. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 407.56 413.04 It's the sixteenth in the top f two hundred and fifty movies and fourth in the top movies of the nineties. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 402.37 407.56 Um it got an eight point seven out of ten on the Internet Movie Database. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 413.04 422.24 It won um a couple of Academy Awards, notably for best writing, um so that's for the script um and best actor for Kevin Spacey. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 400.6 401.31 Restricted. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 401.24 401.46 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 429.27 430.09 And it's fourth. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 428.33 429.27 No, the top fifty. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 422.05 428.33 But wait, I I have the top ten from the nineties? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 428.11 428.3 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 431.36 433.7 Yeah, fourth in the top movies of the nineties. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 433.7 436.69 Sixteenth in the top two hundred and fifty I think, of all time. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 433.27 434.96 Oh, sorry, sorry, yep. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 434.96 435.28 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 434.04 435.16 Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 439.97 440.29 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 436.48 439.97 Yeah, because your table is only the nineties, yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 438.49 439.31 From yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 439.31 440.23 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 439.09 439.35 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 439.23 439.91 Nineties, yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 450.02 452.96 Um it was nominated for best foreign film for the Cesar. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 440.45 450.02 So it won lots of awards um, it won best film from the British um British Film Association, or the British equivalent of the Academy Awards. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 453.33 455.49 So plenty of awards we we could say. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 454.6 455.6 Plenty of awards, yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 460.61 461.36 All time? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 454.67 460.61 But but sixteenth in top two hundred fifty, it's what two uh all all days? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 455.89 456.83 Well 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 459.55 460.66 I think of all time, yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 460.34 461.74 Of all the movies, yeah yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 461.8 462.01 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 463.59 463.94 So 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 464.07 466.03 It's still good, actually. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 464.58 464.97 Okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 465.11 465.34 yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 466.41 470.19 But those rating are more like uh it's the number of votes, no? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 466.52 467.5 W w 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 470.52 473.5 Yeah, it's ratings by viewers and 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 472.56 473.22 Votes and u 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 474.74 481.94 I think it's a sort of uh well average between number of votes and and and uh yeah the the rating or th the marks 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 487.65 491.32 for instance number twenty four, which has only four thousand votes 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 481.94 487.65 because there are in you table you have uh things that have very few votes but still are ranked quite high,
IB4010 H01 MIO036 472.64 474.74 No, no, actually if you look at your tables 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 472.79 473.54 By the users. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 474.93 475.12 Yep. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 478.56 479.12 And rating. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 487.41 487.6 Yep. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 487.67 489.31 Yeah, like Memories 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 488.33 488.7 Yeah yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 491.03 496.2 Yeah, and Forty Four as well, which has seven hundred and forty something votes. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 492.47 493.76 But um yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 495.4 501.34 So it's definitely just the average of the rating and okay th the number of the votes is there just for the information 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 501.34 504 so that you know how how reliable yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 495.57 496.02 Yep. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 508.24 512.27 Because if you have just ten votes and yeah probably are not in the database. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 500.8 502.16 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 502.16 508.24 Maybe it's just the search is compensated a bit for the number of people, I I don't know actually. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 505.61 506.08 Yes. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 507.2 507.7 Mm 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 508.5 508.76 Okay. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 510.86 512.41 Then yes, yes, yes, yes, sure. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 509.89 510.86 Okay, then you yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 513.4 514.87 Yeah so 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 516.59 518.5 Haven't seen it, but 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 513.8 516.59 But yeah, anyway it has excellent votes. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 514.26 515.38 Okay, yep. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 515.96 517.33 Yeah um 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 518 518.53 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 522.48 528.91 because I do know the ending and I haven't been able to watch it again to see where the hints were that were scattered across the movie 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 528.91 531.75 'cause apparently there are hints as to who it is. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 518.53 522.48 No it's a good movie, I I highly recommend it, and I wouldn't mind seeing it again 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 519.85 521.74 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 526.69 526.87 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 531.26 532.34 Ah, now I remember. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 531.91 532.15 Oh. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 535.54 535.84 Okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 532.83 535.54 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 533.67 534.69 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 534.84 535.02 Yep. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 543.15 543.97 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 537.04 543.15 Actually there is one guy who is the at the police station and they ask him to tell the story. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 543.97 544.12 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 540.2 540.41 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 541.41 543.22 and he's the one telling the story, yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 543.17 543.79 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 545.35 547.63 There's him and the the guy in the burn unit. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 547.79 549.53 Yep. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 548.03 548.89 And what is the second movie? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 551.04 552.1 Again, it's fairly short. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 557.51 559.26 It got an eight point one out of ten,
IB4010 H00 FIE038 569.15 573.69 Um got a fair number of votes, too, ninety six thousand. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 573.69 579.73 Um again, it was nominated for a lot of different Academy Awards, um it didn't win any,
IB4010 H00 FIE038 552.1 557.51 It has an easier rating, it's P. G. thirteen, um it's much less violent. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 549.23 551.04 The second movie is The Sixth Sense. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 567.3 569.15 Yeah, it's nineteenth. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 559.26 567.3 it's a hundred and first in the top two hundred and fifty and it's nineteenth on your list I think, if I'm not mistaken. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 579.73 584.65 but it got a lot of buzz and a lot of people liked it, so. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 549.66 550.3 Yeah, Sixth Sen 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 585.55 585.82 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 592.74 597.62 seeks the help of a disheartened child psychologist to figure out why he's seeing what he's seeing and 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 586.26 592.74 Those are my two selections, and as you can see, the plot is a boy who communicates with spirits that don't know when they're dead 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 598.98 599.77 what it means. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 607.02 607.58 It's uh 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 600.57 607.02 Both movies are quite similar in some way, because the last sentence is uh totally contradictory to the whole movie. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 607.16 608.23 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 608.23 608.46 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 608.77 608.97 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 609.37 611.57 The last sentence from the movie or oh. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 610.76 612.58 Yeah, the last sentence from the movie. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 612.66 612.95 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 612.95 620.19 It's only right right at the end where you find out really what's going on and it makes you rethink everything that happened beforehand. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 613.04 613.39 W 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 616.37 616.54 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 618.51 618.85 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 620.29 620.66 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 622.98 628.35 So those would be my two suggestions and y they ar they are slightly more commercial,
IB4010 H00 FIE038 628.35 631.71 or at leas The Sixth Sense is, than the other ones we've seen, but 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 629.42 629.76 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 632.23 639.91 So these guys were actually nominated, so the the bottom part of your slide, actually, it says yeah, so these are the best awards they had. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 634.88 635.3 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 640.12 644.51 Yeah, they were they were nominated for a lot of different awards, they didn't win. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 641.95 642.14 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 650.27 650.62 Uh-huh. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 644.51 647.5 Too bad. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 647.5 650.27 Well there is just one winner, so. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 644.9 646.11 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 645.7 648.87 But I guess the comp I can't remember what the competition was that year, but 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 650.49 653.07 And they were nominated for a lot of them, and um 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 654.85 654.97 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 656.08 657.12 Okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 657.12 658.77 You have a last slide or no. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 656.45 658.53 So I think that's it, unless you have any questions. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 658.53 659.27 Yeah, that's it. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 656.77 657.08 Okay. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 661.9 663.62 Okay, now you can go to to my slides 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 663.62 671.68 but actually what I pre what I have prepared is just a kind of a review of fo uh se six or seven movies 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 671.68 673.28 if you ca can go to the second slide. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 663.58 664 Okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 674.64 674.77 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 672.88 674.64 You sent your slides around, right? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 674.05 681.64 Yes, basically seven movies, and it's uh it's uh uh top movies uh based on the uh on the ra ranking and a and awards awards. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 711.68 719.2 Uh it's uh it's uh very uh high ranked and actually you have a a nicer list, because uh we can even see the number of the votes. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 687.77 696.06 So um we can perhaps go through all of them and we can little bit discuss, so I I I have n I didn't see all of them actually,
IB4010 H02 MIO095 704.82 711.68 So if you can go through uh okay, so this is the first movie and uh it's it's m it's more like a drama. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 681.64 687.77 Um you see the the names of the movies on the on the on the wall. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 719.2 720.59 So what is the number of the people? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 696.06 704.82 so it's just we should probably select one of these, because I think uh these are really good movies and uh, okay, we will see. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 704.78 705.1 Okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 718.92 723.56 Yeah one hundred f w uh one hundred forty thousand. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 721.3 723.48 Yeah, I think your table is very clear Denis. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 724.93 730.62 Finally I found actually your table much better than my than my presentation, because perhaps here we can we can really see I mean 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 730.88 734.02 No, we don't have the plot of the of the movie and uh 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 731.83 732.6 What is the ranking? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 732.6 733.89 We ha didn't have the plot, yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 736.45 740.86 Okay, but maybe we can wh who has seen this movie? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 740.37 741.33 Yeah, who has seen this movie? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 741.33 744.78 Because then perhaps someone can give some some comment. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 741.34 742.58 No I haven't. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 742.58 748.04 I've heard a lot of good things about it, I've heard it's a really powerful movie, but I haven't seen it. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 742.22 742.86 No, I haven't. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 742.95 743.7 I uh 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 744.09 744.55 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 745.7 748.64 I think I I I've seen it actually, but 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 747.06 750.67 W what is the name in French, 'cause 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 750.8 751.63 I have no idea. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 753.03 753.69 Uh yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 752.05 753.03 Uh-huh. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 753.72 757.76 It it's in uh jail right, it taking yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 755.99 757.23 Yeah, it's set in a jail. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 759.1 761.51 I don't remember well this movie. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 760.57 765.04 Well, actually your third slide has the plot, so uh. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 759.67 760.57 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 762.06 762.31 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 766.44 768.35 It's the one that is on the on the wall. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 765.12 766.44 Yeah, it's this one. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 768.35 770.03 It's projected, yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 766.24 766.47 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 767.11 767.44 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 767.15 767.43 Yep. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 774.13 774.38 Wow. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 768.76 770.08 Oh yeah, exactly, yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 770.08 774.13 So yeah, this guy is jailed, okay, uh-huh. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 769.19 770.1 Okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 770.1 770.61 Okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 774.47 775.34 Okay, so mm 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 778.15 782.95 so in that case perhaps it's it's little bit danger to select that movie for the for the 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 775.41 778.15 So I ge okay, so no one of us saw this movie 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 775.68 776.23 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 778.21 778.63 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 778.23 779.29 Yep, so let's 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 784.08 787.17 s play, so uh Schindler's List, who saw this? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 787.32 787.57 Me. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 788.16 789.18 Yeah, I've seen it also. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 789.17 792.37 I saw it, and I think this on is re um this one is really nice,
IB4010 H02 MIO095 792.37 796.19 it's uh, you know, all a all of you knows the the story, so. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 789.47 792.01 Yeah, I haven't seen I heard about it, but 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 795.79 796.18 Yep. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 795.01 795.79 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 796.06 796.34 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 797.51 797.79 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 809.47 811.33 There was something like a celebration of the 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 804.1 809.47 I'm uh thinking whether there was some good occasion, uh something what has happened recently. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 797.7 804.1 Uh it's quite hi it's quite high ranked, so I think uh it's not a bad movie,
IB4010 H02 MIO095 812.37 815.33 fifty years after the war or something recently, no? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 822.35 827.01 Because they were liberated beginning forty five and uh yeah, it's not bad,
IB4010 H01 MIO036 827.01 835.74 and it's also I think it's a good idea at at least from my point of view it's coherent with the previous films, like history, im major events. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 835.74 843.86 I don't know if we want to keep this coherence, or change radically, but maybe yeah, that's yeah, I think it's a drawback uh. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 815.76 822.35 Um I think there was a celebration of uh sixty years from the liberation of the camps, actually. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 816.48 817.21 No, that's 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 816.67 817.58 Sixty. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 817.58 819.11 S sixty years. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 819.34 820.49 Sixty, yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 820.49 822.26 S it can't be fifty, sure. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 821.6 821.95 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 824.34 825.95 Yeah, so. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 829.6 829.87 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 833.25 833.84 Yep. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 834.87 835.61 That's right, yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 833.84 834.87 Yep. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 834.15 834.42 That's true. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 834.75 834.98 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 839.11 840.93 It's a fairly emotional movie though. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 840.93 843.16 That's one thing to keep in mind is that it's 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 842.93 846.57 But then it's not representative of the nineties. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 846.57 854.51 It's more a movie about the story of uh the horror of the uh endured by the Jewish during the Second World War. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 859.84 865.51 Yeah, and according to your thing it's nineteen eighty four, so. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 854.61 859.84 Yeah, but Amadeus isn't really representative of the eighties either. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 856.47 861.81 Well, of the seventeen eighties. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 856.53 860.53 Yeah, right. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 862.25 862.82 Yes. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 862.82 864.03 Yes yes yes. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 869.6 873.56 As for Amadeus, but uh that's I don't know. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 866.3 869.6 Maybe it's representative of a style of the eighties, I don't know. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 864.5 866.3 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 873.56 874.9 But 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 870.35 871.02 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 873.28 879.7 Um but even here I wouldn't uh uh say that the that th this style is representative of the nineties, right, so. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 879.39 879.74 No. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 879.75 880.62 Yeah, hard to tell. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 880.6 881.14 Um 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 882.4 888.35 okay, but uh anyway, I think it's it's really a good movie, I like it when I saw it and uh okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 884.44 884.68 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 885.37 886.66 It is a good movie, yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 888.51 891.8 Okay, and Steven Steven Spielberg is uh 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 897.14 899.26 So I would keep it as a candidate, at least. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 889.65 894.39 It's one of the candidates, I defini yeah, Steven Spielberg is really quite a good so I director 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 894.39 897.14 so I I would say we we could think about it. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 892.26 892.65 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 897.08 897.36 Okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 897.31 897.64 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 898.97 899.25 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 900.45 901.47 That's the second one. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 901.14 904.63 Okay, The Usual Suspect, do we want to say something again about it, or 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 905.03 907.05 I think we can just skip this slide. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 903.57 905.03 Um no. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 906.63 908.01 How come it's coming third 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 909.62 910.27 on your list? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 911.27 911.57 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 911.32 911.9 Uh yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 913.32 913.53 It's 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 913.59 917.27 It's forth on Agnes's uh and on my list, but it's okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 917.27 919.05 Ah you j you selected some movies, no? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 919.05 920.95 You didn't take the six first. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 919.95 921.64 That's strange, what is the rating? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 921.89 930.66 Yeah, it's funny actually um because on your on your slides actually the ratings are eight point seven for both. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 930.66 935.34 No they have the same, Usual Suspects and Pulp Fiction, both are at eight point seven 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 942.51 943.97 Could have changed in the meanwhile. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 935.34 939.5 but on Denis's table uh this one is at eight point six. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 939.5 942.51 Who knows, maybe people voted for it, yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 924.02 925.16 Perhaps it has changed. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 929.03 929.54 It's higher. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 937.21 938.86 But it gets updated daily. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 938.52 939.78 It gets updated. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 941.68 944.46 Yes, yes, and I did it I did it on Wednesday. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 942.01 942.3 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 945.26 947.02 And me on Tuesday, probably. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 945.83 949.51 Though with one hundred and thousand votes, it shouldn't change too much. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 949.51 954.06 I mean, given the number of votes, I wonder but anyway, it's m it may change I think, yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 947.05 947.43 Yes. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 953.1 954.07 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 954.07 955.84 So it probably has changed, so um 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 956.64 960.17 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 961.39 962.24 That's encouraging. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 960.17 961.39 Wow. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 957.35 961.35 it becomes more popular, no po uh yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 962.29 964.38 Do we have something to add on this movie, or 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 959.33 962.29 Okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 964.85 965.52 Mm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 965.52 965.74 No. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 965.89 966.11 No. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 966.32 966.61 Okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 967.25 969.7 Wait, how many of us saw Schindler's List? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 970.41 971.38 Did you see it? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 969.7 970.41 Three of us? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 971.38 973.63 I'm just trying to keep track of how many of us have seen 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 975.19 976.16 I saw it, I saw it. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 972.84 975.19 Uh Schindler's List. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 974.47 974.64 Yep. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 975.79 976.6 You have. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 975.08 975.79 You have? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 976.6 977.34 You haven't. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 976.36 976.51 Yep. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 976.9 977.33 Haven't. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 978.61 983.94 Uh I I've seen very few movies from the list, about ten out of the first fifty. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 978.64 978.88 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 983.67 987.41 That's why you are in the movie club, to see more movies. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 985.92 986.94 Okay, yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 988.37 989.26 Okay, Pulp Fiction. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 996.11 998.38 Who was interested in that movie, he saw it. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 998.38 1005.53 Wh who is not interested in that movie, he he didn't see it and he uh wouldn't uh like to see it in the in our movie club. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1009.36 1014.76 I I wouldn't think about this as a candidate, even if it's a good movie, but I don't know, I think it's 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1005.53 1009.36 So I think we should uh we should just leave skip it out and leave it out. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 989.26 996.11 Uh I think it's again quite uh hi high ranked uh, but from my perspective, everyone already saw it. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 996.82 997.16 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1012.18 1013.82 Why not? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1017 1018.94 And the structure of the movie is interesting. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1013.82 1017 It's quite representative of the nineties, I think. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1013.74 1014.1 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1025.51 1027.19 There is a kind of loop in this movie. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1020.37 1025.51 I I think the the first scene is actually the same scene as the last scene, no? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1021.09 1021.65 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1026.09 1026.98 I can't remember. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1028.02 1032.56 Yes, yes, there was ple I I think there was a plenty of loops actually, plenty of. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1030.86 1031.04 Yep. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1031.17 1036.49 I think also it's old enough that even if people saw it the first time around, they don't necessarily remember everything that happened,
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1036.49 1040.99 'cause I remember seeing it when it came out, but I don't particularly remember 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1036.8 1037.19 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1044.44 1049.59 three times and for the fourth time see you still discover something new, but uh on the other hand,
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1049.59 1055.93 I have the impression it's really it's uh, you know, every everyone saw it, it's it's quite well known, uh it woul it wou I 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1041.78 1044.44 I fully agree that you can see this movie three times perhaps,
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1045 1045.22 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1043.83 1045 I agree also. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1043.35 1043.83 Yeah yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1054.86 1056.58 You've you've seen it? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1056.58 1057 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1057.43 1059.13 I I like it very much. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1055.85 1057.43 Yeah, I've seen it, this one. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1059.13 1060.35 I've actually seen it 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1056.98 1057.17 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1058.45 1059.52 So we've all seen it. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1061.67 1063.45 No, you don't the soundtrack. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1058.92 1061.67 And the soundtrack is uh is gorgeous also. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1062.15 1062.48 Is what? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1063.89 1065.45 I haven't I don't remember the soundtrack. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1065.02 1065.25 No. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1065.96 1072.11 Well, it's plenty of well known songs and, you know, the twist thing and 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1066.01 1067.1 Me neither. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1073.24 1076.57 I I wouldn't think about this as a candidate, because it seems to me it's 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1070.28 1071.56 Mm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1071.56 1073.24 So what do you think? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1070.49 1070.95 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1078.68 1082.93 I think for the moment m m guess most of these are candidates, so we'll try to. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1076.01 1078.68 Oh I would keep it as a candidate, but I don't know,
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1083 1083.29 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1083.32 1085.81 W w we vote at the end, or you want to 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1085.1 1088.03 Yeah, we should probably vote after everyone 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1086.42 1091.11 Yeah, I mean if there's something that none of us like, we can just eliminate it, but we might as well leave everything 'till the end. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1086.59 1088.18 Vote, that's the best, yeah, yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1089.02 1089.85 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1089.85 1090.1 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1090.61 1091.02 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1091.08 1091.33 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1092.7 1095.53 Okay, so we are not gonna eliminate this one. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1095.53 1097.47 Uh Goodfellas, I didn't see it. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1091.14 1092.7 When going through we c we could just eliminate. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1098.26 1098.45 No. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1098.8 1100.03 No. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1099.27 1099.44 No. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1099.56 1101.86 No. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1101.86 1106.88 But you can read the comment from the users, uh that's the that's the last uh bullet point,
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1106.88 1113.05 and it says uh simply a masterpiece uh, and it's uh Scorsese's last really great movie to date. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1105.69 1107.82 Ah it's Scorsese's 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1107.71 1108.31 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1111.94 1115.17 It's uh yeah, again a movie about uh on mafia, no? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1115.25 1116.49 Mafia, yes. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1115.26 1116.54 Yeah, it's a gangster movie. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1116.84 1120.05 With uh Robert de Niro, and who are the o two other guys? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1120.05 1120.69 I cannot 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1120 1123.16 Ray Liotta and 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1121.95 1125.06 I can't recognise them from the picture. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1125.06 1126.74 The picture is not very good quality. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1128.31 1132.13 I think yeah, on the right, and the guy on the left is Ray Liotta. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1125.73 1128.31 Joe Pesci I think, maybe? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1128.27 1130.1 On the r on the right, you mean? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1130.1 1130.3 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1126.88 1128.27 Ah Joe Pesci, yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1137.58 1138.02 Oh okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1132.93 1137.58 I you you recognise them, or you can read the the text on the images. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1136.13 1137.22 I recognise them. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1138.24 1142.44 I'm a movie buff, I know way too much about movies and actors and everything. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1139.58 1140.17 Huh. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1140.17 1140.95 Very well. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1141.24 1149.3 It's the exact same actors who played in um another mafia movie that I cannot rememb Les Affranchis, it was the name in French. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1149.3 1149.53 No? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1149.75 1150.51 What was it about? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1151.55 1158.82 About uh mafia uh it that's why I tha that's why I didn't go to see this one 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1158.82 1165.07 it's quite i it seems to me they're all about the same subject and the same I don't know. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1153.48 1156.78 Very descriptive. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1164.23 1164.69 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1167.78 1169.36 The one that you saw, that you mentioned? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1165.4 1167.78 And it's a movie from nineties? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1166.11 1166.54 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1171.45 1171.63 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1170.53 1171.45 Probably. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1171.2 1171.42 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1175.25 1176.99 Okay, n nobody's seen it, so. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1175.84 1176.38 Mm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1176.38 1176.86 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1176.86 1179.58 No, yeah, so probably not uh 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1177.2 1177.7 No. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1177.44 1177.89 No. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1179.64 1180.18 Okay. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1179.72 1181.24 Silence of the Lambs uh 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1190.41 1198.12 Uh so, okay, it's a little bit horror, so I think it's quite it's uh it's uh 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1182.5 1183.51 should I tell something more? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1183.51 1190.41 Godfather of all thrillers, that's what it what it says on the what some uh user says. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1199.51 1200.58 Okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1195.11 1199.51 A little bit? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1199.22 1205.69 It's definitely not for kids, uh but uh if the kids are not visitors of our cinema, why not? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1206.96 1207.17 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1207.56 1207.82 It 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1213.89 1214.61 Uh why not? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1209.11 1213.89 One have to rethink when when when you are watching this movie, you have to think and it's uh scaring. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1215.56 1217.3 So it's about a psychopathic killer. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1218.26 1219.69 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1218.32 1219.02 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1218.44 1218.88 And 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1221.61 1223.35 I mea the 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1220.11 1221.61 what was it again, the plot? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1223.39 1233.13 So the F. B. I. agent is assigned to to help uh find a a missing woman and uh save her f uh her from a psychopathic killer with the help of another killer. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1234.05 1237.05 So the other killer is Hannibal Lecter, who 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1234.68 1235.22 So 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1237.36 1238.67 Who is in prison, actually. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1237.46 1237.78 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1237.57 1240.58 He he's in jail and he's still killing? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1238.39 1241.33 Yeah, he's in jail and he's real no, h 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1238.86 1240.15 He's in prison, yes. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1239.32 1239.59 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1240.72 1241.38 No no. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1241.38 1245.23 He tries to decrypt the the the other killers' behaviour. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1242.02 1243.92 Ah, okay, yeah, yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1243.53 1248.34 He tries to help the F. B. I. agent, but he plays head games with the F. B. I. agent at the same time. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1249.55 1251.32 He's a really psychotic man. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1249.85 1250.41 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1251.83 1253.51 Or does he, I don't know. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1250.41 1251.83 Well, not very nasty ones. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1253.51 1253.84 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1250.39 1251.12 And so 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1253.66 1256.45 He manages to freak her out. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1252.92 1253.66 With her? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1258.75 1259.74 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1259.74 1264.19 So on the picture you can see uh Jodie Foster and uh ha ha. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1255.34 1258.75 Yeah, that's basically the point, yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1255.94 1256.22 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1258.14 1258.38 So. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1259.76 1261.07 Hannibal Lecter is a very 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1262.77 1262.95 Yep. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1263.1 1263.43 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1264.95 1267.03 Th th The Moth. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1264.96 1265.68 The Moth. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1268.01 1268.62 I don't 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1265.65 1268.01 Who's playing the ps psychopath again? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1268.8 1272.35 Which, the one who's in jail or the one who Anthony Hopkins. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1270.41 1270.69 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1271.04 1272.9 Anthony Hopkins. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1274.29 1276.83 We don't see any h see him very often. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1272.9 1274.29 The other one, I don't remember. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1276.83 1277.93 But it's 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1271.83 1272.47 Anthony 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1272.07 1272.6 Okay, yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1274.63 1275.49 I don't either. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1277.33 1280.97 Anthony Hop Hopkins he really plays it very good, very good, yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1275.34 1276.03 No. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1276.03 1277.33 But he plays it really good. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1278.15 1280.47 Yeah, he's scary in that movie. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1279.9 1281.04 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1281.04 1281.16 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1282.09 1282.95 So 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1284.46 1290.4 I mean the not the plot, but the what the the active killer wants to do is quite horrible and 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1282.59 1284.46 But the plot is quite horrible. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1290.76 1295.1 Yeah, I vaguely remember what it is, but 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1292.17 1294.29 Mm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1295.96 1296.45 Okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1296.01 1296.33 Okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1297.38 1298.36 How many of us have seen it? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1298.36 1301.16 I'm guessing you haven't seen it or h okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1299.56 1302.33 No, I've seen it actually twice, I think. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1301.78 1302.5 Yeah, I've seen it. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1302.5 1305.64 I think I've seen it a second time on T. V., but maybe not entirely. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1304.77 1305.97 So have we all seen it? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1305.97 1307.07 Okay, so we've all seen it. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1305.1 1309.44 I've I've see I've seen it, but I can't really remember exactly the all the details. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1309.22 1311.8 I can't either, 'cause I saw it right when it came out. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1310.06 1311.91 That's it's it's probably begin 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1310.23 1310.55 Uh. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1311.64 1313.36 It's a long time ago, it's from ninety one? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1312.77 1315.52 It came out when ninety one, yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1313.75 1314.46 Ninety one. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1315.03 1315.97 Ninety one, yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1317.25 1321.99 So and I saw it when I was like twelve or thirteen. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1321.99 1323.33 So perhaps it would be 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1317.98 1318.15 So. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1320.37 1322.02 Yeah, me too. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1322.02 1326.13 And at that age I was like mm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1322.78 1324.17 They're much too young. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1323.96 1325.58 Yep. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1327.22 1332.96 Okay, American Beauty w w was coming next, seven, was quite quite nice actually. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1331.57 1332.67 Could you go to the next slide? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1330.5 1331.57 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1331.59 1332.62 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1332.62 1333.63 That was very good, yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1334.9 1335.94 Ah, it's actually there. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1335.97 1338.89 Yeah, it's here, and that's actually my last slide. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1338.89 1340.07 So um 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1336.14 1336.37 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1340.5 1342.41 Why you choose you choose seven movie? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1342.96 1347.47 I don't know, because it nicely f I I was thinking perhaps we are not able to go through more of them. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1347.47 1347.79 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1347.93 1349.6 Indeed. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1348.55 1348.89 Uh 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1350.34 1354.34 So American Beauty, so I can perhaps read a little bit the user comment if you want,
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1357.96 1366.77 but it's basically deep, wonderful and penetrating movie, extraordinary uh irony and the p and the psychological drama about American life. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1354.34 1357.96 or uh yeah, you can read the plot outline on the on the on the projector,
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1367.92 1370.51 Yeah, it's definitely about American life. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1369.64 1370.64 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1370.64 1371.72 Suburban life. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1372.23 1379.04 It's it's kind of crude the critique, but uh on the other way it's quite poetic, it's uh yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1376.87 1378.83 There's a lot of very true things in it. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1379.19 1380.64 Poetic? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1380.8 1386.55 Yeah, you know, with the the way of filming and um I don't know, I found it pretty 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1381.29 1381.63 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1385.16 1387.59 Okay, the way of filming perhaps, but uh 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1385.21 1387.97 I haven't seen it, but I would like to see it, so. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1388.33 1390.83 No, it's q it's quite in interesting. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1389.11 1389.39 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1392.02 1392.28 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1393.09 1394.36 So yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1394.04 1397.46 It's much less dark than the other movies we have on that list. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1396.71 1396.96 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1397.95 1399.58 So it's not very violent, really. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1397.19 1397.95 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1398.04 1399.13 Well, it depends. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1399.34 1402.32 It's not well it's dark but no. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1401.09 1408.21 Ah no, it's it's not violent at all, but more it's more the cr the cr the critique that is quite crude 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1408.21 1412.79 because all the people in this movie are are uh psychopath in their own way. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1402.76 1403.57 Ah okay, great. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1403.36 1403.63 No. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1412.8 1413.2 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1413.19 1419.15 But not like violent cutting people to pieces psychopaths they're just everyone has their own issues and 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1413.36 1413.72 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1414.5 1415.87 But they are normal people then. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1415.86 1416.52 Okay, yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1418.55 1419.68 Uh-huh. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1419.68 1429.38 And what about the well that picture with the the girl and do you see naked people in the movie or is it about sex or something like that? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1418.9 1419.08 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1426.6 1429.26 Actually, there is this it's uh uh what 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1429.26 1436.37 a fifty years old man that quit his job and fall in love with um the best friend of his daughter. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1426.88 1427.22 No. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1428.96 1429.52 Well 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1437.63 1441.85 So that's the best friend, and he fantasises about her and 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1434.18 1437.63 With hi his daughter, his like teenage daughter. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1436.72 1437.32 Ah okay. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1439.04 1439.39 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1443.58 1444.18 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1439.33 1443.58 Supposedly. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1440.28 1445.03 Yeah, it's it's good movie. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1445.22 1445.64 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1445.38 1445.67 Uh-huh. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1447.16 1447.4 Okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1448.59 1448.95 Okay. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1453.36 1454.42 And I think, okay, why not. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1450.53 1453.36 So uh yes, yes, yes. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1449.12 1450.53 And it's my last slide. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1450.69 1451.58 You have seen it, Mirek? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1466.25 1472.51 Do we want that people are more like uh relaxed in our in our cinema, or are more interested in some particular things? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1455.76 1462.67 It seems to me that perhaps that Schindler okay, definitely Schindler Schindler's List is perhaps more serious topic for sure,
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1462.67 1466.25 but um well it depends, it depends what we want. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1473.66 1476.99 Um what do you think, I mean what should we how we should uh 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1478.4 1481.63 What should be the influence, how we are influencing the people in the cinema? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1482.49 1482.83 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1483.11 1483.58 Um 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1489.88 1493.2 but I'm not sure then it's quite popular the movie we selected, so. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1484.68 1489.88 I think we w want them to to see movies that they won't see oth otherwise,
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1485.01 1486.24 What do we want? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1499.08 1502.22 so that they come to our movie club, so yeah,
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1494.21 1499.08 Yeah, I think it's a mixture of bringing new things to them, but also making them enjoy the show,
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1493.51 1494.21 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1502.22 1509.34 I think we shouldn't maybe do very mainstream movies, but well okay, the list here is quite uh 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1499.93 1500.28 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1509.51 1513.92 See I don't know what was mainstream in Europe, like all of these movies are very mainstream for me. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1510.21 1510.41 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1514.69 1517.52 Yeah, I think also if you look at the number of votes here. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1515.58 1516.14 But 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1515.97 1519.16 If they are in the top fifty, they are quite mainstream, but uh 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1518.08 1518.35 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1518.9 1519.4 Uh 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1520.74 1521.34 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1521.34 1528.92 Uh regarding the Denis's table I would say given that this site, I don't know if it's mainly American, but uh I would say that 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1528.07 1530.36 It has other movies, but I think it's predominantly 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1530.44 1532.8 Uh I think there is the 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1530.48 1536.18 Yeah, I think mm yeah, it's English speaking anyway, so uh though so 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1533.69 1533.96 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1535 1537.8 There are Chinese movies, English movies. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1537.49 1538.6 Yeah, but if you look at 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1538.15 1539.74 No, there's movies from everywhere, but 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1552.79 1563.68 twenty thousand, like mm Princess Mononoke, twenty thousand and uh, whatever, the the Kieslowski at eleven thousand, the Trois Coleurs Rouge. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1546.39 1552.79 and you can see some more, well, confidential films that have like ten thousand,
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1540.16 1546.39 Yeah, but I would say mainstream are the ones that have more than, whatever, sixty thousand votes,
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1554.03 1554.31 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1563.04 1565.51 It's it's quite a lot for Kieslowski actually. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1565.51 1567.15 I was surprised to s yeah yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1565.7 1568.5 Yeah, it's not bad at all, yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1568.5 1571.83 So yeah, anyway, if you want a definition of mainstream or whatever. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1569.57 1569.83 Hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1571.96 1572.21 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1579.92 1582.71 It's uh uh movie from a Swedish guy. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1575.73 1577.42 Uh I I don't know if you've seen this one. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1572.25 1575.73 And Festen also is uh is quite high. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1577.42 1579.92 It's The Celebration I think. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1574.85 1575.28 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1576 1576.38 Yep. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1577.08 1579.05 No, I've never even heard of it. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1582.13 1585.93 D uh Danish I think, it's the Dogma movement. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1585.93 1586.28 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1586.88 1587.99 Lars von Trier. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1585.18 1586.88 Dogma movies, yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1584.48 1585.18 Danish? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1588.74 1588.95 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1589.09 1589.9 Oh okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1589.27 1589.39 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1589.69 1589.87 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1592.15 1593.54 Okay, can we 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1593.91 1594.84 Yeah, let's uh 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1594.48 1595.97 discuss about your document, maybe? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1604.3 1609.04 Actually I I tried to propose just one movie with some alternates. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1601.48 1604.3 I have them Denis, so it's all for you. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1609.04 1610.73 Uh you want one? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1595.92 1601.48 Yeah, so it's uh actually I have made I have made photocopies. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1598.67 1601.56 Maybe can I ask you for the for the list of movies? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1599.54 1599.7 Yep. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1601.78 1602.25 Okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1603.09 1603.42 Okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1606.9 1607.2 Thank you. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1608.85 1609.36 And the 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1608.33 1608.85 This one. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1616.7 1617.51 okay, good, thank you. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1614.55 1616.7 But you have your own copy then? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1610.8 1614.03 Denis, Denis, could you give me the the list of the to uh top fifty? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1614.03 1614.55 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1613.16 1613.71 Yeah, sure. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1615.73 1615.89 Yep. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1635.52 1640.26 okay, outside Europe and the States, but uh it's a piece of history. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1652.15 1661.15 But um given that we would like a movie from the nineties, I thought the Saving Private Ryan oh thanks for projecting the document 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1618.72 1629.7 Um so my proposal, which is only a proposal, would be to to keep the focus on um uh more or less history and action,
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1629.7 1635.52 so Lawrence of Arabia was, okay, about this guy during the first world war, so it happens,
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1645.96 1652.15 that's much uh much earlier and it's not about it's not violent, which is a nice thing I think. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1640.26 1645.96 Uh Apocalypse Now it's uh Vietnam, if I'm um correct and, okay, Amadeus,
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1642.9 1643.16 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1643.91 1644.22 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1661.52 1670.65 um would keep this more or less this theme of uh history and war and action drama 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1676.47 1684.89 Because it's it's not like the sort of glorification of uh, you know, the good guys that that uh well go against the Nazis 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1670.65 1676.47 while showing actually a very new and I would say humanistic view on on war. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1684.89 1689.67 but uh it's uh it's well the plot actually if you don't know it 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1713.07 1715.12 And this this guy is Private Ryan. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1696.71 1702.79 who actually three of them get killed during the war in these days of forty well 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1689.7 1696.71 It's about people looking for just one soldier, in fact it's um it's about a a family of four brothers 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1702.79 1713.07 I guess summer forty four and the uh well the government decides that they need to get back the fourth brother just to save one member of the family. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1693.85 1694.1 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1710.88 1711.13 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1745.67 1746.61 It's uh 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1715.79 1723.33 So the movie is not about killing the Germans or whatever, it's about saving at least one guy from a family 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1730.21 1738.18 It's um it's not at all a glorification of war but it's just uh it shows a bit uh the violence of um of the things. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1723.33 1730.21 so but of course the the setting is during the war and um it's very realistic and uh very dramatic in fact. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1738.18 1745.67 And especially the the beginning is uh I think it's great, it's it's very violent, but it's it's an image of of war. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1746.39 1747.89 It's quite horrible actually. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1745.12 1746.39 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1745.68 1748.96 It's v very very violent. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1749.04 1753.52 Yeah, but I think if mm well if you compare it with 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1749.29 1749.55 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1751.76 1752.94 Mirek, you didn't see it? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1756.85 1759.44 Okay, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, that was really horrible. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1752.66 1756.85 That's the I I I saw it and I d I'm trying to remember the beginning, that's the Normandy landing? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1755.74 1757.05 The landing, yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1756.09 1761.74 It yeah, it's the landing, and actually every more or less everyone gets killed and 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1756.83 1756.99 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1759.67 1762.29 This is not a movie for kids, like 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1759.06 1759.67 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1760.17 1765.05 But it's it's a piece of art because he used something like one hundred camera to film that, or 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1761.82 1762.15 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1782.76 1791.93 and I think it's uh it's also maybe representative of the nineties, you know, people starting to get the more uh realistic view of uh of of war. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1765.2 1769.96 Oh I I didn't know, but yeah, actually it's very well filmed and it's very realistic,
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1774.98 1782.76 I know it's very nice, someone falls somewhere there and, well you know, it's like battles that look nice, but this one doesn't look nice,
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1769.96 1774.98 and I don't know if you compare with, I don't know, in Lawrence of Arabia I think they have some battles and camels. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1791.93 1797.89 But it's true, it's it's a bit violent, and so what I put here it's a bit long too, it's nearly three hours. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1766.34 1766.63 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1767.03 1767.57 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1768.45 1768.7 Yep. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1774.76 1775.4 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1775.3 1776.43 Yeah it's quite s yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1782.52 1783.95 No, not at all. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1798.98 1802.47 But uh I don't know, Apocalypse Now is quite long too I think 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1801.95 1803.1 yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1803.08 1809.34 There is two there are two versions I think, and but w but we yeah, we projected the longer one, so. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1802.45 1803.08 Yeah, it is. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1803.41 1804.17 I don't remember. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1805.09 1807.08 Yeah, the redux version is longer. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1807.45 1807.97 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1809.03 1809.27 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1809.17 1810.22 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1820.94 1821.63 Uh 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1810.22 1820.94 So it won uh five Oscar prizes, uh best director for Steven Spielberg, um best cimena cinematography, etcetera. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1820.74 1826.23 How many times uh Spielberg received the best uh director Oscar? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1825.55 1826.97 I think just once for this. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1826.01 1826.64 I don't know. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1827.25 1829.69 Not for the Schin Schindler's List or for 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1829.65 1830.45 Oh maybe he did. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1830.69 1831.45 for E. T. ? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1832.01 1834.01 No, for E. T. he didn't. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1834.01 1840.83 It wasn't until he started doing things like Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan that he actually started winning awards for them. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1833.21 1835.13 He won f he won the mm 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1834.3 1834.56 Oh. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1840.16 1844.68 No, he won f for E. T., he won the mm Cannes, uh what is uh Palme d'Or. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1840.37 1840.84 Hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1841.76 1842.28 Did he? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1844.94 1845.93 Oh okay, yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1845.91 1846.33 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1846.01 1846.14 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1847.39 1847.96 I didn't know that. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1863.26 1867.62 just to make it look maybe a bit like the documentaries from the time. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1857.34 1863.26 uh in the trivia I found out that in fact they uh actually reduced the the colour saturation of the movie 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1867.62 1870.67 Yeah, I was very surprised to find this uh it's 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1849.56 1857.34 Um okay, so um yeah, that's that's the point, it's it's a bit grey, and actually if you look at my second page 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1857.22 1857.48 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1865.53 1867.36 That was very interesting to read, yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1869.6 1873.93 But then they uh I read that they they w where was it? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1873.93 1876.64 Th they turned back to yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1873.38 1876.3 They they turned back the colours for uh 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1874.38 1876.43 They re-enhanced the colour, yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1884.4 1885.13 Uh 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1876.65 1884.4 Because people start to complain that uh that w there was a problem with a T. V. when they were broadcasting the movie on the T. V. . 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1877.44 1877.79 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1878.41 1880.05 That it was their T. V. s and not 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1900.98 1903.14 I don't know, in in the room. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1883.45 1891.43 So this uh fact number two I think obviously for I mean technical people like us is uh is is is quite funny. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1891.43 1892.04 So yeah 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1892.04 1900.98 so I I mean these four points could serve also as an introduction if you want to talk f fo for fi five or ten minutes before the movie,
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1903.14 1908.28 So uh yeah, mm so tha this would be my candidate, but I'm very much open to 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1883.06 1883.45 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1887.02 1889.04 That's an interesting point, interesting point. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1914.71 1920.97 the in the previous movies there were an he an hero, Lawrence of Arabia, uh Amadeus. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1920.97 1930.43 Apocalypse Now, it's also non-hero I think, but uh but here I don't remember it's actually the Tom Hanks the hero, or it's 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1906.37 1914.71 And then then there is this uh there is an hero, I mean it's uh or a non-hero, and in all the other stu stories,
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1916.05 1916.29 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1919 1919.41 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1924.3 1924.58 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1931.64 1939.63 In fact you you don't see uh Private Ryan until the end more or less, or you see mm because they they're looking for him, yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1927.76 1931.64 Yeah, on th on yeah, on the picture actually yeah, it's Tom Hanks. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1937.18 1944.4 Yeah, about two thirds of the way through the movie, 'cause most of the movie is them find trying to find him on the front, right? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1944.4 1945.25 No, no. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1938.96 1941.84 Yeah, but in the end you can ref yes. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1942.15 1942.52 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1943.22 1945.06 He's Private Ryan, Tom Hanks? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1945.06 1945.85 No he's not. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1945.85 1946.79 He's trying to find him. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1945.2 1946.38 No, Tom Tom 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1945.93 1946.32 No. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1946.76 1947.76 Yeah, he's trying to find him. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1947.74 1950.26 Well the caption says Captain John Miller, so. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1947.08 1947.74 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1947.32 1947.6 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1954.84 1956.39 So he's uh he's 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1951.5 1954.84 So i if you look at the caption um yep. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1951.86 1952.68 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1954.92 1955.37 Okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1955.07 1958.33 Private Ryan was Matt Damon I think, yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1961.16 1961.39 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1957.51 1961.16 Yeah, so the Private is just a simple soldier actually. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1960.92 1961.2 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1961.04 1964.93 By the way, did he fied dinally uh f fi died finally or not? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1965.57 1972.58 Uh who, Private Ryan or no no, they find him actually and they send him back to the family, but the Captain dies actually, Tom Han 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1966.29 1967.44 Uh the Private Ryan, yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1968.73 1973.42 Th they I remember I remember they found him, but ah okay, yes yes yes. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1969.98 1970.27 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1972.03 1977.02 Is it him at the begin it's him at the beginning of the movie at the at the the graveyard, right? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1976.12 1976.48 L 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1978.13 1978.86 Because I remember 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1981.54 1981.89 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1978.22 1981.54 Oh yeah, it's Private Ryan, yeah, remembering at the beginning. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1979.38 1981.55 Yeah, with his family. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 1981.55 1982.01 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1980.29 1980.55 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1981.81 1991.73 Because I remember that th in the end of the movie they are trying to defend some bridge or something and there's quite heavy shooting and uh finally it's actually John Miller who die. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1991.73 1992.8 Okay okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1988.6 1988.87 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1994.03 1996.61 So yeah, there is sacrifices and 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 1991.19 1994.03 Yeah, exactly, yeah, he dies unfortunately. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 1995.56 1996.5 It's not the Private Ryan 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2000.26 2007.23 because there were a guy who was who didn't kill German because he was quite non-violent. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 1995.56 2000.26 At the end, to tell you the truth, I didn't like so much the movie because it was quite moralistic 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2007.23 2013.25 And because he didn't kill this German, the German killed, I don't know, uh maybe um 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2004.64 2005.01 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2006.65 2006.92 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2012.67 2013.2 Oh. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2013.08 2015.45 Perhaps it was a g uh this uh Tom Hanks, yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2015.65 2015.84 Yep. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2015.92 2016.28 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2017.06 2018.16 Oh yeah, yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2017.12 2020.5 And it was like, if he had killed the mm 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2020.66 2021.72 Yeah, the German. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2021.97 2023.76 If he would kill him, he wouldn't die. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2025.28 2026.18 Tom Hanks wouldn't die. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2023.76 2025.28 Wow. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2023.33 2024.43 Because he e yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2023.39 2024.74 Uh-huh. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2024.74 2025.06 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2033.83 2038.59 I don't know how many people have have seen it, well among you, well most of you actually. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2032.52 2033.83 So yeah, I I don't know. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2038.59 2040.14 Oh all, okay, all of us. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2026.69 2032.52 Well I mean yeah, it has a moral dimension all over the movie, you know, saving the individual and the guys. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2040.14 2042.45 So maybe th people know it quite well. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2030.04 2030.2 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2037.62 2038.01 I have. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2038.3 2038.94 I have. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2039.19 2039.72 I've seen it. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2038.43 2039.19 I've seen it. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2040.8 2040.98 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2042.65 2044.54 Yeah, we're running um 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2050.46 2057.85 Uh I also put Pulp Fiction, uh The Silence of the Lambs and I also, well, sort of included La Vita e Bella,
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2063.77 2064.42 But it 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2057.85 2063.77 but I know we're an Engish movie club, so I guess it's um it's a bit out of purpose. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2044.48 2050.46 Okay, so yeah, so I have some other candidates, um it's on first page at the bottom. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2043.86 2044.48 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2044.44 2044.9 Out of time? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2052.42 2052.71 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2063.76 2065.6 What is the movie about, the La Vita e Bella? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2070.82 2079.46 So it's about uh a family of Italians which uh g arrives into a a death camp, and in fact it's treated in a more or less humorous mode 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2086.12 2092.51 and it's this very strange mm well, not really humour, but relation between the uh how 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2079.46 2086.12 so um the father tries to hide from i from his boy that they are in a death camp,
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2066.52 2070.82 Oh it's uh it's about again about the camps and the Second World War. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2067.96 2069.44 But it was in English, no? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2070.84 2071.21 Ah-ha. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2070.87 2071.59 I don't think so. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2071.59 2072.77 No, it was an Italian. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2073.59 2073.81 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2076.48 2076.67 Uh-huh. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2085.92 2086.94 Uh-huh uh-huh. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2091.54 2094.65 How it end up, what is the what is the ending of the movie? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2093.76 2097.01 Well the boy gets saved, but the father dies. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2097.69 2105.69 So I don't know i it created some controversies I think, because people said you shouldn't do any form of humour related to the camps,
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2097.01 2097.69 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2105.69 2110.16 but it's very very moving, so I think it's anyway um Italian, so. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2096.28 2096.9 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2102.05 2102.17 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2105.33 2105.58 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2107.3 2107.53 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2110.23 2112.94 That's actually the third movie about the Second War. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2112.94 2117.69 Schindler's List, a P uh Saving Private Ryan and La Vita e Bella. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2114 2114.33 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2116.77 2117.57 Yep. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2117.57 2117.88 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2118.97 2121.32 Okay uh Denis. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2119.26 2119.61 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2121.42 2126.83 Yep, so I have uh a quite different movie to propose you. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2132.62 2134.82 Actually they are brothers, you probably know them. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2126.83 2132.62 I don't know uh it's f called The Big Lebowski from um uh Joel Coen. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2134.82 2136.67 I don't know how many of you have seen this movie. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2137.64 2137.82 No. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2141.35 2144.75 And I've seen some other films by by the Coen brothers. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2138.07 2141.35 Haven't seen it, but uh I heard it's very funny. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2138.17 2138.65 No? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2138.31 2139.46 Just partially I think. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2144.58 2147.83 Yeah, they made uh Fargo, which is in the list. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2146.87 2148.38 Yeah, which is in your table. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2148.02 2148.36 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2148.77 2149.56 And uh 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2150.34 2154.69 Um the last one was the one with Catherine Zeta-Jones uh. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2153.91 2159.37 uh Cr uh Cruel Intentions, or something like that I think, or 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2156.07 2157.32 Crue crue 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2159.12 2162.26 Yeah, something about cruelty or very funny. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2169.44 2175.77 because it's um actually it's inspired from a movie called The Big Sleep and um 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2161.25 2169.44 Okay so, I don't know how I'm going to sell you this movie, because actually the plot is impossible to make 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2176.48 2177.61 A movie or a novel? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2187.27 2188.04 It's uh 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2178.28 2182.05 Uh it's actually the t where I've seen that? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2182.05 2187.27 In a it's uh a movie from Raymond Chandler, The Big Sleep. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2191.55 2195.01 You see, it's the the last but one paragraph on your second page. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2188.01 2191.55 No, but they say that Raymond Chandler wrote the novel. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2191.57 2192.04 Ah okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2194.9 2196.92 So it's it's uh it's a novel, okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2194.21 2194.9 Yeah yeah yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2215.69 2223.16 and uh he's actually uh smoking pot and doing nothing, just um he's living in L. A. . 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2208.05 2215.69 Okay, so it's about a a g a guy who called the D the Dude, I don't know you pronounce it,
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2198.92 2208.05 But uh then the story goes that while that film was in production and director, okay, okay you're right, it was a book. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2231.23 2237.1 one one is uh an old guy from coming back from Vietnam, obsessed by Vietnam,
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2237.1 2243.31 um another guy who is never speaking, and they all play together uh bowling. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2223.16 2231.23 It's uh it's a typical typical fellow from the from the suburb, and he has some friends, uh typical friends,
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2199.33 2199.94 I think so. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2217.75 2217.96 Mm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2236.4 2236.71 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2243.69 2244.38 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2254.17 2259.44 Uh maybe it w maybe it's going to open the discussion on on posters as well. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2244.21 2254.17 And um the casting is very interesting, there is um okay, actually I wanted to propose you some posters related to this movie. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2274.12 2281.21 Then Turturro, and uh uh the last one is Buscemi, and I don't remember the name of the girl. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2260.67 2267.98 So actually here you on this the first poster you can see the actors from the movie, I don't know if you know some of them,
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2267.98 2274.12 so Jeff Bridges at the top, uh Goodman is the second one, the b the big guy. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2268.02 2268.44 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2283.75 2283.98 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2281.58 2283.75 Mm it's Julianne Moore, isn't it? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2282.79 2283.21 Um 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2283.25 2284.39 Yeah, Julianne Moore. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2284.87 2287.17 Y you wrote the paragraph on the poster? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2287.52 2291.11 Uh I I took it from I don't know where. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2291.11 2292.25 So uh 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2291.04 2293.17 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2293.17 2294.91 Could be edited a bit. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2293.23 2293.5 Actu 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2295.35 2298.88 Actually I'm not going to sp to describe much more The Big Lebowski,
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2303.58 2312.15 but it's it's a movie, quite surrealistic, I mean there are some part that are like coming from dreams and uh 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2298.88 2303.58 but uh it's quite hard to describe, it's uh it's it's a journey about this guy,
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2301.08 2301.37 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2310.34 2310.66 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2310.34 2311.27 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2311.27 2313.39 Why the movie is called The Big Lebowski? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2313.39 2317.91 Why The Big uh Lebowski is his uh family name, right, but why it's called The Big 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2316.87 2326.51 Yeah, it's his family name and uh actually Jeffrey Lebowski and he's he's the there is a a story with another Lebowski that yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2324.98 2326.83 Yeah, there are two Lebowskis in the film. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2324.29 2324.98 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2327.17 2329.26 And why The Big Lebowski? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2326.48 2327.17 Okay. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2329.26 2331.18 It's the it's the second one or 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2327.98 2328.67 And uh 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2329.72 2336.98 I I I don't remember, maybe it's just uh uh because of The Big Sleep there is uh 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2336.48 2336.94 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2337.98 2338.36 Uh-huh. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2336.64 2336.96 Uh-huh. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2336.96 2337.98 Ah okay, okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2337.8 2339.76 Yeah, there should be a reference there. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2338 2340.19 I don't know, a reference. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2345.54 2347.52 We see worse people. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2347.52 2354.27 So it's kind of uh an ethnographic movie I would say, but uh and it's a modern hero, it's it's quite fun. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2354.27 2359.19 And the casting is is marvellous, so that is that's it for this movie. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2340.19 2345.54 So it's a kind of it's like American Beauty in some way, it's even worse. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2359.19 2363.69 And um I just wanted to go to the design of the poster actually. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2340.46 2340.83 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2344.01 2344.48 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2352.73 2353.46 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2360.48 2360.67 Hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2364.85 2365.51 Because 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2364.96 2365.78 I quite like that. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2366.53 2367.08 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2367.08 2370.57 It's probably a bit dark for a poster, but otherwise it's very nice. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2366.8 2367.07 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2368.9 2369.14 Yep. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2370.88 2373.42 The idea is is also to discuss the content. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2378.96 2380.11 So that's the first poster. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2373.42 2378.96 Shall we put a summary of the movie or the plot, and w what kind of information do we want? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2379.54 2379.94 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2379.87 2380.21 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2381.62 2385.9 There is alo um this poster, quite dark also. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2386.53 2386.84 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2395.15 2400.64 So we said that one movie is eight Francs and three movies eighteen Francs. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2400.64 2404.62 And we can have annual subscrip subscription of sixty Francs. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2387.51 2395.15 Uh so y y I don't know if you you cannot really see, but uh mm there is the the pricing information. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2396.32 2396.77 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2403.75 2404 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2404.58 2404.89 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2406.26 2412.91 Uh I wanted to say some information to involve people on in the committee as well, if they want to take part to the committee to select movies. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2411.79 2412.23 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2414.32 2416.77 And uh what else? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2416.03 2416.65 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2417.81 2418.56 S some 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2424.02 2430.42 The Big Lebowski it's clear that it's a movie and uh I guess the people can remember that it was a movie at least 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2418.12 2424.02 I think this is not bad, because they say something little bit about our uh movie club and uh, yeah 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2430.42 2431.58 even if they haven't see it. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2431.96 2435.71 Looks like a C. D. cover. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2432.36 2434.09 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2434.36 2435.03 CD cover. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2434.85 2441.27 Yeah, actually the idea was to s yeah, there is at the bottom the a scene from one of these dream of The Big Lebowski. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2441.4 2441.76 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2441.76 2442.76 Oh okay, it's a dream. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2442.84 2449.92 And uh the the first part is actually y you see a cowboy and the the hero, the Jeffrey Lebowski, the Dude. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2457.37 2463.53 and he's e explaining what kind of movie uh you are going to to see. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2449.92 2452.89 And the cowboy, it's actually at the beginning of the movie,
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2452.89 2457.37 the c the cowboy introduce the story, and he's coming back at the end of the story 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2443.19 2443.52 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2449.69 2450.07 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2449.88 2450.16 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2457.41 2457.89 Oh okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2462.03 2465.73 Okay, sounds a bit crazy. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2466.37 2468.64 And last posters 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2468.14 2468.36 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2470.79 2470.98 Hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2473.52 2483.33 So same principle, but I w I don't know, I w I was thinking of adding some some um cita quotations of uh well known directors. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2473.65 2474.09 Uh-huh. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2479.91 2480.12 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2484.57 2485.31 And uh 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2484.78 2489.29 I like it because it's not so dark, so the images are a bit um brighter. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2489.25 2495.78 Yeah, but I on the contrary I would say there is too many colours and uh it's difficult to read and uh 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2491.39 2493.16 It looks like two yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2489.73 2491.39 I actually don't like it. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2493.16 2495.56 It's it looks like two separate posters. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2497.64 2504.81 Although I think you can mix I would keep the format of the first one, add the quotes and the content information from the second one. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2497.75 2498.85 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2505.38 2505.66 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2504.6 2505.38 Yeah. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2505.71 2506.85 Yeah, that would be the best. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2514.87 2519.08 put the the information you had in the second poster about the movie club,
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2519.08 2524.23 how to join, kind of in the middle and keep this title and everything just slightly higher up. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2507.14 2514.87 So take those take those quotes, get rid of that section of text, put those quotes in there 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2511.52 2511.92 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2512.64 2512.91 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2514.76 2515.13 Okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2520.23 2520.57 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2520.58 2520.89 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2524.55 2525.62 Okay, I see. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2526.23 2533.92 Wh what about a brighter background, because this one, I don't know how it would show on a wall or something like this. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2533.92 2535.82 It doesn't really catch your attention. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2536.29 2538.09 I think it does. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2538.09 2545.73 I think the contrast between the the the strip of film and or the strip of pictures and everything else is 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2537.71 2538.21 And yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2537.73 2538 'Kay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2541.4 2541.62 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2545.21 2545.59 Mm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2547 2547.58 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2547.58 2548.04 Okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2547.62 2553.84 Okay, I see what I wanted is more or less to know the content of the movie, uh what y you want to have on the poster. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2554.02 2554.37 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2554.23 2554.69 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2557.15 2557.66 Th 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2554.69 2557.15 No, the content was very good in the second one. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2554.96 2556.34 Because we di we 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2557.89 2559.11 Okay, on that one. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2564.67 2571.15 and then maybe add the quotes that you had from the from the famous directors sort of at the bottom or something. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2571.15 2571.44 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2559.8 2564.67 Yeah, so take all of that content throw it up into the first one 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2560.55 2562.44 Yeah, all this information is very good. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2561.19 2563.53 Yeah, all this information and put into the first one. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2563.53 2563.85 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2564.13 2564.37 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2568.92 2569.27 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2569.59 2571.04 Oh or just one of them. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2570.27 2573 If if they fit there if they fit there, you will see. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2572.16 2572.44 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2573.41 2575.94 Okay, great. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2575.94 2578.07 So I think now we have to decide for a movie. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2578.62 2579.6 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2578.67 2579.21 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2579.67 2580.54 And um 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2581.28 2583.11 Oh yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2583.11 2583.29 W 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2581.75 2581.92 Yep. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2583.67 2584.27 So 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2584.55 2585.98 I I would suggest 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2586.42 2587.89 So Big Lebowski. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2591.3 2592.78 We make a list and then we vote. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2587.48 2591.3 if it's not too long, maybe each of us could nominate one or two movies. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2592.07 2593.17 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2593.17 2594.01 Okay, good idea. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2595.06 2595.69 What do you think? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2597.16 2597.73 I th 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2595.86 2597.16 Yep. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2596.82 2600.13 So who wants so, Mirek, what do you nominate? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2603.58 2607.23 I yes, yeah, I I would like to uh, yeah, at least to have it uh in the 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2599.5 2603.58 So I'm really convinced by The Big Lebowski. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2603.44 2604.32 You are? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2604.32 2604.8 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2608.28 2610.23 In the nominees, okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2610.23 2611.58 Another nominee? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2609.09 2614.44 in the nominees, exactly and uh I'm trying to remember all of them. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2612.39 2613.53 Usual Suspects. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2614.5 2616.82 Okay, Agnes, Usual Suspects. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2616.48 2620.63 Mainly because only two of us have seen it and it's not a mainstream movie 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2620.63 2624.02 so I don't think a lot of people would have seen it to begin with. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2619.63 2620.05 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2629.36 2633.33 Um I would nominate, well okay, my candidate, Saving Private Ryan. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2625.39 2629.36 Well you can nominate one or two, so that we or whatever. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2624.61 2625.39 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2639.74 2642.85 Uh I would nominate also Pulp Fiction, because it's a very good movie. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2636.68 2639.74 And uh I'm happy with your nominations too. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2646.72 2651.57 Um Denis, so your yours is already nominated, but you want 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2647.83 2649.29 I would nominate uh 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2651.3 2652.44 American Beauty as well. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2652.72 2653.09 Yeah. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2652.95 2653.19 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2654.12 2655.15 And um 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2658.68 2662.98 and I would be okay with Saving Private Ryan, it's it's it can 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2662.44 2664.46 Okay, so it's already on the list. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2663.03 2664.28 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2665.65 2672.47 And then I'm still hesitating between the Schindler's List and the S uh Silence of the Lambs. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2672.1 2672.6 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2673.3 2679.05 May I nominate uh these all these three movies, Big Lebowski, Schindler's List and the Silence of the Lambs? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2676.53 2677.22 Yeah, if you want. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2681.91 2682.4 So 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2689.11 2693.79 Um if you have a good short term memory that should be okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2693.79 2695.41 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2704.57 2709.26 Should we vote just for one film or should each of us say give 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2703.28 2704.57 So now let's vote. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2695.41 2703.28 So uh Big Lebowski, Usual Suspects, Saving Private Ryan, Pulp Fiction, American Beauty, Schindler's List and Silence of the Lambs. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2685.3 2689.11 so we have uh seven candidates. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2689.1 2689.51 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2690.67 2695.11 So you reduced that by what, two? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2711.2 2711.47 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2708.63 2711.2 So eliminate first eliminate first? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2709.52 2714.06 Or we can eliminate first one one movie each, and then we s and then we select. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2717.31 2721.73 because I don't or i is it possible to put them on the on the on the uh whiteboard? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2713.95 2717.31 I'm sorry, could you go t uh uh uh once again through uh the list of the movies 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2714.83 2715.24 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2717.13 2719.24 So Big Lebowski 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2720.58 2721.04 Alright. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2723.67 2725.28 Uh you can write on your paper maybe. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2724.35 2730.4 Okay, okay, so the Schindler's list, The Usual Suspects, uh Silence of the Lambs, uh Big Lebowski, okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2730.06 2732.42 American Beauty and 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2731.43 2732.89 And Saving Private Ryan. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2735.16 2735.52 Okay. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2736.44 2737.54 Saving Private Ryan. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2738.29 2738.66 So 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2738.36 2739.24 Wait I'm missing one. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2739.24 2741.32 What am I missing, Pulp Fiction? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2742.31 2742.87 Okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2741.32 2742.31 Was that one of them? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2739.55 2740.36 One, two. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2741.51 2743.51 Yeah, Pulp Fiction, yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2743.51 2746.2 Okay, so each of us chooses one to eliminate. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2742.4 2743.55 Pulp Fiction, okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2743.3 2743.68 Okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2746.44 2749.4 I have seven. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2746.6 2748.76 I have six I have six. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2750.16 2752.33 Okay, we American Beauty. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2748.76 2750.16 How many? 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2746.66 2747.62 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2747.62 2751.07 That's a bit cruel, but uh that's I think a good way. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2752.31 2752.6 Denis? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2751.38 2752.31 Okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2752.87 2756.53 Me, I would remove Silence of the Lambs because I think it's too violent. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2756.77 2757.61 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2757.61 2759.52 I will just remove it this way. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2759.52 2761.08 Um um 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2764.82 2767.82 I would remove Schindler's List because it's too sad. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2767.95 2768.45 Okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2768.22 2768.5 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2769.8 2773.82 Well, it's not very good reason, but 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2773.84 2774.54 Pulp Fiction. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2775.37 2776.13 Oh, too bad. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2776.15 2777.61 Yeah, and I would eliminate 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2776.76 2780.41 And you have a reason for it or Okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2778.29 2780.59 I'm not a huge fan of Quentin Tarantino. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2780.59 2781.85 And it didn't make a good impression. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2780.52 2783.81 And I would eliminate Pulp Fiction actually as well if so 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2780.07 2780.52 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2783.6 2791.06 Maybe you can eliminate another one, you can no? 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2785.2 2786.13 Another one. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2786.13 2789.44 Because it because it would be Saving Private Ryan. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2785.35 2787.3 No, no. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2787.3 2797.04 Well I mean leave someth okay, so we're left with The Big Lebowski, Usual Suspects, Saving Private Ryan and American Beauty. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2786.65 2789.31 Really eliminate Pulp Fiction. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2789.31 2790.76 It's gone. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2798.12 2801.23 Okay, so let's vote just simply for one, for the moment. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2802.96 2803.16 Mm. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2803.02 2807.47 So I would vote for American Beauty, because I haven't seen it. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2807.99 2809.21 I vote for Big Lebowski. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2808 2808.9 W 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2810.16 2812.91 We're all gonna vote for something different. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2816.1 2816.94 Agnes, Denis? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2810.99 2816.1 Um so Mirek, Big Lebowski. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2817.78 2821.95 Agnes, you v 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2818.2 2821.91 I I still like The Usual Suspects, but I like American Beauty too. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2823.75 2824.11 So. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2825.5 2827.68 Uh 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2827.12 2827.58 O 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2827.97 2829.17 Make a decision. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2830.57 2831.57 Usual Suspects. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2836.73 2840.33 yeah, you can choose. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2837.48 2842.65 Okay, now I have the if we want okay, if we want to take a okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2839.68 2840.94 You have the deciding vote. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2841.24 2843.29 Y you're the president maybe after all uh. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2843.75 2843.95 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2843.88 2847.76 Okay, so I'll go with The Big Lebowski, since the posters are already ready. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2847.78 2849.54 Already ready yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2848.86 2850.92 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2850.92 2853.12 Yeah, I think I'm quite fine. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2852.56 2853.13 That's fine. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2853.4 2853.87 So 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2854.22 2857.23 It'll make a good change from the other ones. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2860.08 2860.39 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2854.87 2860.08 Is it a b yeah, I think at least it's funny and uh that's nice. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2855.88 2856.49 Yeah, I think. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2861.83 2862.22 So. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2863.31 2863.7 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2863.35 2864.12 Decision. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2863.38 2864.75 So it's gonna to be Big Lebowski? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2866.31 2866.77 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2867.56 2867.89 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2869.16 2872.55 That's your fault, Mirek. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2870.55 2873.62 If you don't like it it's your problem. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2873.58 2875.47 No no no no no, I I like it, I like it. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2874.24 2877.12 No, no, no, I mean yeah, it's you voted for it. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2877.12 2879.46 But I'm quite happy with it, I haven't seen it. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2876.58 2878.84 So we have other anyway. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2878.84 2882.2 So can we decide for uh a next meeting maybe? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2878.91 2879.14 Yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2883.16 2886.6 Well, beginning of May I guess, to choose the film for May. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2886.6 2887.15 Is that 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2886.26 2886.53 Yeah. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2886.52 2886.86 Okay. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2889.06 2892.13 Okay, beginning of May, but there are there is plenty of holidays at the beginning of May, no? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2895.58 2897.98 What's that, going up to the sky? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2892.85 2895.58 Yeah, the fifth is um Ascension. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2896.08 2896.56 Ascension? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2897.46 2898.05 Ascension. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2902.72 2903.26 It's okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2898.23 2902.72 Okay, o or we'll decide after the projection of the movie the date. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2902.64 2907.43 Yeah, we can do it like the Tuesday before the Ascensions and that's May third. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2907.78 2908.41 Mm-hmm. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2908.41 2909.69 Okay, okay, no problem. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2908.38 2909.66 Okay okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2908.53 2908.96 Mm 'kay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2916.97 2917.96 So yeah. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2917.96 2920.88 So thanks for the posters actually, Denis, they are very nice. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2917.83 2918.3 Good. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2920.17 2920.87 You're welcome. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2925.17 2925.62 Thank you. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2923.86 2925.17 Okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2924.49 2924.67 Okay. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2925.36 2926.15 Okay. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2926.75 2928.23 And uh see you at the projection? 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2927.85 2932.77 See you on what, April twenty sixth, or what's the mm twenty ninth. 
IB4010 H01 MIO036 2932.77 2933.17 Okay. 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2930.44 2932.16 Ninth, ninth? 
IB4010 H00 FIE038 2932.16 2933.17 Yeah, twenty ninth. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2930.66 2931.87 No, twenty ninth. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2932 2932.58 Twenty nine. 
IB4010 H03 MIO046 2933.18 2933.53 Okay. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2935.55 2937.86 I want to see it. 
IB4010 H02 MIO095 2933.72 2935.55 Really looking forward. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 30.41 33.46 It's just that I need uh some some white paper. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 34.49 35.6 Are you gonna take the minutes? 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 35.89 36.4 Uh yes. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 38 39 Um 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 36.18 38 Yep. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 36.7 36.9 Good. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 41.51 44.59 So hello everybody. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 44.59 49.24 So uh you everybody had the a agenda for today, you received it or 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 43.64 44.13 Hello. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 44.77 45.06 Hello. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 45.46 46.45 Um, hello? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 48.48 51.54 Um I don't, do you have an extra copy? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 51.54 52.33 Thanks. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 51.07 51.23 Yep. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 53.66 61.39 So the goal for today is to decide for a movie to project at the end of the month, so for this month of of April,
IB4011 H03 MIO046 72.47 75.48 So first we have to decide for um a movie. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 61.39 72.47 and also discuss the content for an adver advertising posters and um I I will present you three des different design, we'll discuss it. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 66.68 66.83 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 72.59 73.05 Okay. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 76.34 79.4 So I think we all prepared documents. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 79.92 80.01 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 80.11 80.29 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 80.31 81.01 Yes, I did. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 81.38 85.62 So I propose that we start with uh presentation Agnes uh sent. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 84.98 85.49 Sure. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 122.76 130.94 some movies in the nineties did actually have twists that people came out saying, never saw that coming, I didn't know that that was gonna happen. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 103.32 113.04 So for this month I propose doing something different, preferably something set in the present, um something maybe dramatic but slightly less serious. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 113.04 116.11 So what I'd propose is actually a thriller or a mystery. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 98.41 103.32 which were all historical, serious, dramatic and somewhat actiony movies. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 116.11 122.76 And while these days people are so jaded by general movies that they tend not to be surprised by the endings in mysteries,
IB4011 H00 FIE038 90.54 98.41 Okay, so the previous movies that we've done this year were Lawrence of Arabia, Apop Apocalypse Now and Amadeus,
IB4011 H00 FIE038 162.22 167.71 Um is has a fairly large cast, notably Kevin Spacey, Gabriel Byrne,
IB4011 H00 FIE038 131.72 136.13 And so what I'm gonna do is present you two of those movies, and before anyone says that, well,
IB4011 H00 FIE038 140.66 145.56 because a lot of people like to re-watch movies um to see where the clues were,
IB4011 H00 FIE038 173.48 175.72 It was written by Quist Christopher McQuarrie. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 157.4 162.22 Um The Usual Suspects is slightly less mainstream. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 167.71 173.48 um and it was directed by Bryan Singer, it's one of his earlier movies I think. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 152.97 157.4 What I'd propose is either The Usual Suspects or The Sixth Sense. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 136.13 140.66 if you know th how the movie ends, you're not gonna wanna see it again, that's not necessarily the case 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 149.72 152.97 Um so if you can go to the next slide. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 145.56 149.72 what they missed, things they didn't pay attention to the first time around. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 153.41 153.52 Mm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 176.57 184.41 Um and according to Rolling Stone it's the freshest, funniest and scariest crime thril thriller to come along since Pulp Fiction. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 184.41 191.61 Uh The Sixth Sense on the other hand is a more commercial movie with its famous line, I see dead people. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 191.61 199.12 Um it was written and directed by M. Night uh Shyamalan and stars Bruce Willis, Haley Joel Osment and Toni Collette 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 207 207.75 what it means. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 199.12 207 and it's about a little boy who sees dead people and i he sees a child psychologist to try to get him to understand why he sees the dead people 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 184.46 184.89 Ah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 208.09 208.42 Hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 208.18 210.08 And actually the psychologist is dead. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 215.93 216.49 Um 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 210.77 215.93 Now that you've given away the twist, yes. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 213.28 215.45 No, but we're the clubbers, but 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 234.41 236.82 Okay. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 216.44 225.81 Agnes, uh I was just wondering, uh I see uh I have here Denis's table, and when they say that it's the freshest whatever since Pulp Fiction,
IB4011 H01 MIO036 225.81 234.41 well that's probably not a very long time, because Pulp Fiction is ninety four and Usual Suspects is ninety five. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 236.82 237.31 Yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 218.35 218.79 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 221.25 221.69 Yep. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 229.94 230.23 Mm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 245.13 250.47 Um the length for The Usual Suspects um is a hundred and five minutes. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 254.86 261.89 It has an R. rating, which means that at least in the in North America it was not recommended for people under eighteen,
IB4011 H00 FIE038 278.12 280.72 And the big mystery of the movie is who's controlling the events. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 266.13 273.67 Um plot outline uh five villains in New York are rounded up by the police in an unconventional manner that worries them. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 273.67 278.12 After release they get together for a spot of revenge, but someone else is controlling events. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 261.89 266.13 'cause it's fairly violent, but not so violent as other movies. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 233.14 238.17 Send your complaints to Rolling Stone. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 238.17 245.13 So on the next couple of slides I'll just go through some of um more detailed stuff that we might need for administrative purposes. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 250.47 254.86 Uh as you can s well, as Andrei already said, it's n nineteen ninety five. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 296.08 302.3 Um it won several Academy Awards, including best supporting actor and best writing,
IB4011 H00 FIE038 309.37 312.33 So it got a fair bit of recognition despite not being 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 281.41 286.04 Um it got an eight point seven out of ten user rating on the Internet Movie Database 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 286.04 289.67 it's sixteenth in the top two hundred and fifty movies of all time,
IB4011 H00 FIE038 289.67 296.08 forth in Denis's list of the top movies of the nineteen nineties, which I think was also taken from I. M. D. B. . 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 302.3 309.37 um best film for the British equivalent of the Academy Awards, it was nominated for a Cesar for best foreign film. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 295.18 295.37 Yep. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 295.8 296.08 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 310.49 310.79 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 313.48 319.36 um a very mainstream, high budget movie, or maybe because it wasn't a mainstream, high budget movie. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 319.83 323.39 So wha what will be your argument for projecting this movie? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 324.18 327.39 I don't think a lot of people have seen it, in fact, other than 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 328.93 329.7 I haven't see it. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 328.98 331.89 you haven't seen it, you haven't seen it, you've seen it. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 330.04 331.17 I haven't seen it. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 331.99 332.27 Yep. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 338.76 339.1 What? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 332.98 338.76 And don't think a lot of people have seen it, it's not a very very well known movie. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 339.78 341.32 It's very well known. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 341.32 341.57 Yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 340.93 341.22 Is it? 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 341.76 343.14 it's a 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 342.71 343.07 Really? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 344.44 346.86 It's one of the most well known thriller. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 343.6 344.44 I think, yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 343.62 343.87 See? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 347.44 347.83 Really? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 348.88 351.93 That surprises me, I always got the impression that it was 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 349.18 349.52 Oh. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 350.63 351.78 It's it's hard to tell. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 354.02 356.05 That's mine, but uh 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 353.35 354.02 Yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 351.78 353.35 So that's your impression. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 351.09 351.31 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 354.32 360.5 But it's it's rated four fourth in uh in the list and one hundred one hundred thousand 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 352.96 354.32 That's my impression, yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 357.82 358.84 Well, it's a good movie. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 356.54 357.82 Yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 358.9 360.92 How many people voted for it, yeah? 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 360.92 361.42 That's true. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 358.08 358.9 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 361.39 361.84 seen it. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 363.73 364.61 One hundred and two. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 364.61 366.16 For for voted for it, yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 361.89 363.73 One hundred thousand. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 361.97 362.33 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 363.75 364.45 Voted for it. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 366.26 373.09 Voted for it, and I think only two other mov uh no, f three other movies uh have uh have more votes. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 373.17 373.58 More votes? 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 373.58 375.5 Yeah, it's it seems to be quite popular. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 374.09 374.3 Yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 376.6 379.99 So but I think the main thing is it's got a good twist at the end and 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 379.88 380.55 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 381.25 383.77 it's it's an interesting movie to watch. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 384.39 384.51 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 384.75 385.14 Okay. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 387.72 389.88 More or less the same thing for The Sixth Sense. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 385.51 387.72 Um so if you go to the next slide. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 389.88 393.87 It's slightly newer, nineteen ninety nine, more or less the same amount of time. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 393.87 400.54 It has a lower rating, 'cause it's less violent, but it depends what audience we are gonna have at the showings. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 397.31 397.7 Yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 399.64 403.39 Isn't violent at all in fact, or it's more like scary or 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 401.93 409.24 It has it's scary and I think it has some sort of slight violence, but. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 404.4 404.67 Uh-huh. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 409.67 414.54 But the kid is seeing dead people, I mean is uh it's quite uh 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 412.58 415.93 Yeah, but they're not violently dead. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 415.14 418.51 No, but it's quite uh morbid you can say that? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 418.51 419.39 Yeah, morbid. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 416.9 419.83 Scary or yeah, mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 419.83 420.84 Creepy or 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 430.89 436.93 hundred first in the top two hundred fifty, it was nominated for a lot of awards, it didn't win 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 424.14 430.89 Um um it's nineteenth in the top movies of the nineties,
IB4011 H00 FIE038 417.19 424.14 It's it's morbid and it's creepy, but it's not violent as in people being sliced in half or anything like that. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 422.23 422.47 Yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 422.76 423.02 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 446.34 451.12 Nevertheless still a good movie, still a good twist at the end, which Denis already gave away. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 438.08 439.05 as many. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 439.05 446.34 Might have won more sort of minor awards, but at least the Academy Awards, it was nominated for five of them, um but didn't win. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 438.16 438.6 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 450 452.35 They don't remember. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 450.6 451.02 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 452.68 454.13 Good. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 454.13 456.48 Um so those would be my two choices. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 455.09 456 Have you seen it? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 456.27 456.48 Yep. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 457.8 458.1 Okay. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 460.59 463.88 So what was you criteria for selecting this movie or 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 464.04 468.11 Let it's a sort of different style from the other movies we've seen, and they have a twist,
IB4011 H00 FIE038 472.42 476.8 It's at least out of those two movies I came out thinking, oh cool, okay. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 468.11 472.42 so it's not your general movie where you just kind of sit through it and go, oh okay, get up and leave. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 475 478.53 But then it's only at the at the end that it it becomes a good movie. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 475.62 475.96 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 478.79 479.84 Yeah, but 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 481.12 483.09 I mean that's a good thing, right? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 482.6 484.28 Only because of the of the end. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 483.12 483.55 Okay. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 485.8 489.85 I I've heard some people in the in the theatre saying, oh now we have to see it again. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 486.16 486.67 Yes. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 490.34 490.65 Yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 491.34 491.5 Ah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 491.99 497.25 Which is a good marketing ploy, if you think about it. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 493.46 498.94 But then if you asked them five minutes ago okay. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 494.78 496.11 If we show it twice. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 498.82 499.13 Okay. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 501.87 503.53 Ah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 503.53 504.34 Great. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 499.13 501.87 So is Bruce Willis the child psychologist? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 501.29 507.19 Yeah, Bruce Willis is and the kid is really good, who plays the the main character. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 503.08 503.2 Yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 504.98 505.34 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 507.64 512.13 It's the guy who then played in uh Artificial Intelligence or something like this, mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 507.01 507.64 Yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 510.76 511.58 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 514.14 514.89 Great. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 514.61 515.66 Same guy. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 516.13 519.57 Okay, so uh I think, Mirek, you prepared a presentation also. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 519.57 520.85 We can have a look. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 519.47 519.83 Yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 521.11 527.3 So my presentation is not that detailed, I just uh put there seven uh highly uh ranked movies,
IB4011 H02 MIO095 527.3 532.63 and we can just try to g uh go very quickly through all of them, just to re remind you them 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 532.63 536.78 and then we can perhaps consider another p uh potential candidates. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 537.57 539.64 Sorry, it's control L. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 544.47 552.67 so the movies that I have selected as as very good uh good ranked movies uh are uh uh are on the screen so uh Shaw The Shawshank Redemption,
IB4011 H02 MIO095 544.23 544.47 Okay 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 558.04 561.97 Uh so perhaps we can go to the to the f to the first movie. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 552.67 558.04 Schindler's List, Usual Suspects, Pulp Fiction, Goodfellas, Silence of the Lambs and American Beauty. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 561.97 570.96 Uh The Shawshank Redempt uh Redemption um actually I didn't see that movie, so is there someone else who have seen this movie? 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 544.71 544.91 Mm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 571.89 572.51 No. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 572.07 573.37 Uh me neither. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 574.13 576.66 I've heard a lot of really good things about it, but 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 574.15 575.21 Okay. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 574.35 574.55 I thi 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 575.92 578.89 I have s I have seen it, but I don't remember it. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 578.89 580.11 Which is not good. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 577.48 581.83 So uh I was told that in French it was called uh Les Evadees. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 578.37 579.47 mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 582.13 582.46 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 590.95 595.38 changes when he uh he's uh convicted and jailed for the murder of his wife,
IB4011 H02 MIO095 600.3 606.44 So that's uh what it says, okay, we can't tell much more, because basically none of us have seen it. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 584 590.95 Okay, the plot outline says that the life of Andy uh Dufresne Duf okay, of Andy 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 595.38 600.3 and the user comment says it's simply amazing, the best uh film of the nineties. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 590.22 590.55 Yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 605.78 607.82 Should we should we believe this? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 606.66 608.16 But the rating is very good then. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 624.84 630.08 and he witnesses the uh horrors uh endured by the Jews and starts to save them. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 608.22 610.46 Mm-hmm, yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 630.08 638.75 User comment says, a film for all to see and learn, and I think it's really something what is very serious uh theme and uh yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 618.91 624.84 Uh the plot outline is that the Oskar Schindler uh uses Jews to uh start a factory in Poland during the war 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 613.24 618.91 it's from the St uh Steven Spielberg and it's about the Second War uh Sec Second World War. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 610.46 613.24 So the second one is a Schindler's list, it's more serious movie 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 609.29 609.64 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 639.84 643.05 So that's a Schindler's List, um we can perhaps do you have some comments? 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 643.96 646.91 I think it's really good movie, it's uh it's quite long actually,
IB4011 H02 MIO095 643.05 643.96 I I have seen it. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 646.91 652.33 I can't uh here I didn't put the the minutes, but I think it's it's at least about three hours. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 649.05 651.33 Yeah, I think it's about three hours long, something like that. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 652.36 655.12 And it's a heavy movie, I it's emotional, it's 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 653.5 653.98 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 656.74 657.01 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 656.77 659.81 It you know if it's to uh if it received some award? 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 660.19 662.38 No, I don't know, I don't know, unfortunately. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 660.49 660.98 Or 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 661.67 662.92 Probably no? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 662.92 664.4 Yeah, I think also but uh 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 661.92 662.8 I think it did. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 665.16 667.31 Either for director if not for best picture. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 669.72 670.09 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 667.34 669.72 Yeah, maybe even best picture, yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 668.42 669.49 But I would expect it. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 669.49 671.07 I would expect it. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 671.07 672.43 Okay, so if you can go to the 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 669.69 670.19 Yeah yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 672.4 677.73 But yeah, indeed, it's maybe too sad and too, yeah, too poignant for 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 676.64 679.66 Well, it's a true story also, uh so. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 679.16 684.48 It's it's yeah, I would say that the user comment says everything, a film to see and to learn. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 678.22 679.16 It's a true story, yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 678.67 679.05 Yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 679.8 680.27 Well 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 684.95 686.41 And to remember maybe, or 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 686.15 687.48 And to remember as well, yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 686.45 686.9 Mm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 689.06 691.07 Okay, th so the third one is The Usual Suspects. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 698.71 700.16 So let's go to the to the other one. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 695.01 698.71 because it was this this is the one already commented by Agnes. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 691.07 695.01 So I think I I wouldn't uh I don't want to comment it again, so we can just skip that 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 701.32 702.33 Pulp Fiction. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 702.33 709.48 I would say that's that's like a classical movies of of nineties, uh it's uh directed by Quentin Tarantino 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 709.48 711.42 it's a it's a crime and drama,
IB4011 H02 MIO095 711.42 718.45 it's a a there i there are several s several stories that are just mixed up during the during the movie, and uh 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 716.27 716.66 Yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 719.85 724.1 yeah, it's a real classical movie, I would say almost nowadays. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 724.1 724.79 So 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 724.6 724.93 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 724.61 725.77 So who has seen it? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 725.77 726.84 Agnes, you've seen it? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 726.31 727.02 Yeah, I've seen it. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 728.85 734.13 Yeah it's it's very good and it's a bit violent, but it's also quite funny I think. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 727.36 728.85 Yeah, I've seen it too. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 727.69 728.27 I've seen it. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 728.87 729.63 Yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 729.18 729.92 So all of us. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 734.04 738.16 Sure, sure, you can see it several times, because I mean the first time you cannot catch all the details 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 738.16 741.02 and then i when you see it second times and third times it's 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 734.85 735.82 It's a 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 738.21 739.05 And it's 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 740.08 740.53 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 743.58 744.2 So uh 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 740.7 743.58 it's the comeback from of uh John Travolta, no? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 743.78 746.31 Yeah, yeah, that was his comeback movie, yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 748.49 749.27 I would say good comeback. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 744.27 748.49 It's big comeback, yeah, big comeback of John Travolta, yes. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 745.61 746.59 Big comeback, yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 748.61 750.1 Bruce Willis is there also. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 751.76 752.65 Who is there? 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 750.45 751.76 Yes. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 752.65 752.8 Huh. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 750.8 751.12 Yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 751.16 751.42 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 751.61 752 Yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 753.58 754.49 the boxer. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 753.88 754.65 Um 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 756.02 756.29 Sorry? 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 756.87 757.09 Pardon? 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 757.36 759.24 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bruce Willis is there as a boxer, yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 758.24 758.99 Yeah, as the boxer. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 759.36 762.1 And what's the name of the girl on the poster. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 762.9 763.4 Um 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 763.08 763.91 Um 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 763.24 765.43 It's Uma Thurman, yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 763.42 764.92 Uh Uma Thurman. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 764.55 766.11 Uma Thurman, okay. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 765.04 766.04 Yes. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 767.77 770.78 Okay, so that's Pulp Fiction, definitely should be considered uh. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 769.17 769.65 Yep. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 770.56 780.12 So on the list I I brought on the docu on my document, the two movies, Pulp Fiction and Usual Su Suspect are just swapped. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 780.12 784.16 Pulp Fiction is actually coming before The Usual Suspect. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 774.63 775.01 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 775.08 775.74 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 781.39 782.35 Wow, that's interesting. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 783.2 783.95 How. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 784.69 790.99 Uh maybe 'cause I. M. D. B. is updated daily, so if it happens that people had voted for it 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 787.25 788.11 That may be. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 790.37 794.4 Yeah, because yeah because I have I have uh I have th this review on on Wednesday. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 791.77 792.24 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 794.57 794.86 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 795.83 799.09 Yeah, Tuesday, it's quite surprising though, but uh, okay. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 797.73 798.74 Okay. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 798.74 799.92 It's 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 798.37 802.2 Yeah, it's strange, with so many votes that they can p shift. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 802.2 804.75 I mean statistically speaking it's strange. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 800.53 800.71 Yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 805.62 807.27 Goodfellas, I haven't see that movie. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 826.75 827.42 Okay, it's 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 817.12 822.4 it's a simply a masterpiece, so and if you go to the to the to the votes,
IB4011 H02 MIO095 822.4 826.75 there is quite a lot of people who has vote for the Goodfellas, sixty six thousand. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 814.63 817.12 and uh the user comment says,
IB4011 H02 MIO095 807.27 814.63 The plot outline says that the Henry Hill and the his friends uh work their way uh their way up through the mob uh hierarchy 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 829.55 829.98 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 829.73 834.52 It's modern day average, so it's perhaps not a bad movie. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 834.52 835.62 I dunno, I haven't see that. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 831.1 831.21 Wow. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 833.62 833.98 Mm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 839.32 845.83 No, because I thought it was like another movie, but it's it's this movie actually. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 834.57 839.32 Actually I have seen it, now I realise, yeah, yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 836.75 837.2 You have seen it? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 836.77 837.09 Have you? 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 838.22 838.73 Yeah? 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 841.82 842.09 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 841.84 843.16 But it is this movie. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 844.04 844.47 Okay. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 842.35 844.04 But it was that movie? 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 843.78 844.99 uh-huh. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 844.99 847.26 And how i was it called, Mafia? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 844.43 845.17 Ah okay. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 847.71 849.42 Uh Les in French. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 850.66 853.02 I think it that one, but it's very violent. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 851.33 851.9 Okay. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 854.15 855.25 Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 854.39 854.78 Very. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 855.72 859.31 It doesn't say it here, but uh it's probably rated R. . 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 856.12 856.34 Yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 860.16 861.82 Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 862.57 866.19 So it talks about the nineteen twen twenties or something like o of twenties? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 866.77 867.99 No, it's later than that, isn't it? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 867.08 873.73 It speak about uh a guy who is not Italian, who is uh going up in the hierarchy of mafia. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 873.94 874.21 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 873.95 874.41 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 875.89 876.39 Okay. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 876.55 877.74 Okay, so. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 876.79 876.94 So. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 877.67 879.46 Not really in favour of this, but 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 879.56 882.57 The mob, so the mob is the mafia actually? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 882.57 882.89 Okay. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 881.81 882.79 Mob is mafia, mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 881.83 882.05 Yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 884.56 885.03 Okay. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 901.15 911.27 the young F. B. I. agent is assigned to help a f to help find a mi uh missing woman and save her from the ps psychopathic killer with the help of another killer. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 892.56 898.42 Uh basically it's a it's a thriller, horror and crime all together. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 916.96 920.84 I'm not sure whether he received some a awards for that, but it's really it's 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 911.27 916.96 This another killer is actually in a jail and it's uh Anthony Hopkins, and he really plays it a very good, I would say. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 886.33 890.9 Silence of the Lambs, that's a godfather of all thrillers, I would say. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 898.42 901.15 The plot outline says that the uh Clarice Starling 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 890.9 892.56 Fully in line with the user comments. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 887.19 887.58 Ah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 920.42 923.61 I don't know, but it was a good performance, creepy. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 921.46 921.81 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 922.31 924.63 Yes, very good performance, very good performance. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 924.16 925.84 And Jodie Foster is very good as well. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 926.15 926.39 Yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 926.31 929.65 Yeah, and we can see her actually on the picture on the on the projector. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 926.99 927.34 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 930.4 932.09 She was pretty young, no? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 932.09 932.54 For. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 932.59 938.49 Yeah, I think, yeah, when yeah, I saw this movie some time ago and yeah, she looked quite young I thought. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 932.97 933.79 I think so, yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 937.52 939.39 W w from whe when is the movie? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 938.82 939.62 When did it come out? 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 939.57 939.98 Um 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 941.46 943.29 uh ninety one uh ninety one uh. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 941.56 943.38 Ninety one,. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 942.58 943.26 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 942.59 943.61 Ninety one, yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 950.81 951.05 Yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 944.4 950.81 So nowadays she's already fourteen years older. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 946.88 951.34 As are we all. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 947.53 947.67 Yep. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 958.13 961.48 So I can't remember all the details of that movie, but I would like to see it again. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 952.61 958.13 And I saw this movie when I was like uh twelve or thirteen and it was really really uh bad experience. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 956.17 956.75 Yeah, me too. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 961.78 963.2 I don't think I've seen it since then. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 965.07 965.45 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 965.99 973.13 I recently I saw the the uh Hannibal, that the seco the sec uh it was a third third part actually, it was called Hannibal I guess. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 969.95 971.17 Ah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 972.67 973.95 No, on the seco uh second one. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 974.34 975.31 It was second one, yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 975.04 975.33 Yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 976.29 977.24 So that's why 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 977.19 978.25 But not that good, no? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 978.93 983.12 It wasn't that good, but I think it was almost more disgusting in a way 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 982.09 983.81 It was really disgusting, yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 983.81 989.25 There were some scenes in it where normally I don't get queasy watching movies, but that was just too much. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 988.56 988.73 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 992.21 993.13 You have seen it? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 991.08 992.21 Okay, what's your opinion? 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 991.87 993.44 Okay. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 993.44 994.58 Oh yeah, I've seen it, yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 994.58 1001.48 Yeah, it's a good movie, I um I don't know, maybe too well known, but since it's fifteen years old maybe people would li 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 999.88 1001.7 It might be a little bit too violent 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1002.9 1003.32 Yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1003.57 1005.2 for I dunno. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1005.54 1008.78 Violent and and uh scary as well. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1008.78 1009.04 Mm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1009.04 1010.6 Psychopathic, I mean it's uh 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1008.5 1008.77 Yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1008.78 1009.28 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1012.34 1013.25 Okay. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1013.25 1014.77 And last choice. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1019.97 1020.46 Uh 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1014.64 1019.97 And the last choice that um I think it's it's not a bad movie, it's uh American Beauty. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1019.9 1020.65 That's a good movie. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1021.24 1022.41 Yep, that's a good one. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1043.65 1050.75 extraordinary uh irony uh in a psychological drama about American life, and I can fully agree with this user comment. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1022.55 1032.51 it's basically about the about the people in America, each of them is uh I would say psychotic in his uh his own way,
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1050.75 1051.24 Uh 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1038.36 1043.65 Uh so and it's really it's uh the user comments say it's a deep, wonderful, penetrating uh film,
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1032.51 1038.36 but uh normally they appear to be uh s normal people, as as we can see them ev every day. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1051.72 1054.58 And Kevin Spacey? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1054.58 1057.69 It's no, Kevin Spacey, he received something, no? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1054.89 1056.58 Yeah, it's Kevin Spacey. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1056.9 1057.6 Oh again? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1058.44 1060.24 Quite possibly, yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1060.81 1071.14 He's actually uh quitting his job at the beginning, but he's uh simulating a fight with his boss in order to to to pursue pursue to 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1064.45 1064.86 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1070.08 1073.07 He's simulati I I I've seen this movie, but I 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1071.32 1072.08 I see. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1075 1077.52 Yeah, to sue him afterward. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1077.52 1078.53 And then 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1074.04 1075 Yeah, I think. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1074.22 1076.18 S mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1074.44 1075.04 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1077 1077.57 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1083.05 1084.02 That's really 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1077.57 1083.05 But then he fell in love with the the with the with the friend of uh his daughter, if I remember well. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1082.47 1082.76 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1081.81 1082.47 Yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1082.47 1082.78 Yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1083.73 1087.9 Ah, that's the girl who is represented on the the picture? 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1086.68 1087.89 Maybe. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1088.75 1088.9 Yep. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1089.14 1089.98 Theoretically, yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1089.85 1092.06 You recognise her belly? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1092.16 1101.63 No uh there is this rose, because the she's he's imagining her taking baths with ro roses all around and uh he's uh yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1094.35 1094.84 Yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1099.44 1099.98 Uh 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1099.81 1101.28 Yeah, yeah, that's true, yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1102.13 1103.41 Oh so you recognise the rose. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1103.67 1109.25 Exactly. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1109.25 1109.59 Okay. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1104 1106.91 Uh-huh. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1104.28 1107.81 Yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1109.81 1110.17 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1111.88 1117.68 Um so what will be your favou your preferred one on in this list? 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1112.47 1114.17 And I think that's the last 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1115.54 1115.86 Yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1118.16 1125.24 If would like to go for something what is really serious I would definitely uh go for Schindler's List, and if not uh then 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1127.64 1127.78 Hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1136.06 1142.15 but uh as you can see from the from your from your table, there is a plenty of votes. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1142.15 1145.5 It's actually I think it's a movie with highest number of the votes, yeah, it is. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1128.92 1136.06 I would like to see this uh Shawshank Redemption, because it receive i yeah, it it none of us seen this movie unfortunately,
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1131.91 1133.06 The first one, yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1133.06 1135.05 Probably yeah, you received so yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1141.33 1141.69 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1144.89 1145.69 Yeah, that's true. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1145.72 1149 And it's uh Tim Robbins and uh who is the 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1150.16 1151.03 Morgan Freeman. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1152.6 1153.49 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1153.49 1154.73 Yeah, great actors. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1150.26 1152.6 the guy behi Morgan Freeman. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1151.8 1152.65 Morgan Freeman, yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1161.56 1163.27 Frank Darabont? 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1154.36 1161.56 Yeah, but didn't I mean I see this name of the the director on the slide, but I don't really know him. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1154.7 1154.99 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1161.34 1161.83 Darabont. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1162.84 1163.78 Me neither, me neither. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1163.83 1164.39 Mm yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1163.99 1165.2 Never heard of this guy. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1165.88 1171.3 Yeah, but really I would like to highlight that it's a it's a movie with highest number of the votes and the highest ranking at the same time. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1171.64 1172.22 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1172.03 1173.27 Yep. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1173.27 1173.94 Okay. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1173.94 1175.86 Yep, it tells something. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1175.86 1181.82 Okay, it's just a do we want to have to display the most popular movie or or we're 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1172.42 1172.7 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1173.24 1173.65 So. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1182.52 1184.42 Well let's go through the other suggestions. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1182.55 1184.11 Yeah, I'm not sure. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1184.11 1184.58 Yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1183.7 1189.55 And actually I don't think it's it's it's that popular in Europe at least, because I really you see, none of us have seen it, so. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1187.94 1188.27 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1188.97 1190.32 That's right, yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1189 1189.5 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1197.56 1203.07 Though it's a very useful table, but um okay, do you want me to yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1190.93 1192.08 Yeah, maybe. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1192.08 1197.56 But it's true, yeah, we shouldn't stick to only very highly rated movies on this table. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1201.08 1204.22 Okay, Andrei, yeah, can can you comment your 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1204.39 1209.82 So yeah, uh I wrote some notes on um on Saving Private Ryan, which is my candidate. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1219.8 1231.4 So actually given that more or less our theme since the beginning of the year was um history, drama, action, and given also that, well 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1214.48 1216.79 I have some paper copies. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1236.58 1244.96 um I thought that among these movies, who look quite popular, uh Saving Private Ryan would be a very good candidate. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1216.79 1219.8 Uh you're welcome. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1231.4 1236.58 we decided to to present this month a movie from the the nineties,
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1209.82 1212.06 If you can display them it's perfect. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1212.06 1214.48 Uh do you all have a copy of them? 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1244.96 1246.31 Um 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1211.28 1211.59 Yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1214.13 1214.44 I do. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1214.54 1217.33 Um yeah, I w thank you. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1215.52 1216.06 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1266.35 1276.73 it's about saving one person who has a special special value in the in the movie um if only because his brothers actually were all killed 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1258.83 1266.35 it's uh it's no longer the b glorification of uh, whatever, combat and victory, but the plot is quite different 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1248.22 1250.3 Have you seen it before? 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1281.58 1287.13 and saving means actually removing from the the front, if you if re if you remember the plot. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1250.3 1254.49 Okay, so you've all seen it, so maybe everyone has seen it, I'm not very sure. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1247.15 1248.22 actually it's a movie I've seen. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1254.49 1258.83 Um but I think it's a very novel treatment of of war,
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1276.73 1281.58 so uh the government believes that they should save at least one person from the family,
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1249.49 1249.72 Yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1249.83 1250.06 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1249.83 1250.09 Yep. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1332.87 1338.27 but here they well, you see everything and you see how many people die on that day. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1302.53 1310.03 So he is sent with this rather strange mission, which is not a combat mission, but they uh they want just to to get this guy back 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1292.59 1302.53 the main character is uh played by Tom Hanks and it's actually you can see his picture on the second page of my my notes uh Captain John Miller. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1310.03 1315.3 which is in fact this guy is I think behind enemy lines or something like this. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1338.27 1340.41 It's actually 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1319.4 1326.37 and it's very very striking the way they they filmed all the the combat scenes and uh it's it's very dramatic,
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1326.37 1332.87 it's uh it's not, you know, like in the movies from the fifties or the sixties where people just fall and die anonymously,
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1315.3 1319.4 So it happens in in Europe, just after the the Normandy landing 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1287.22 1292.59 So in fact this guy, the Private Ryan is not at all the main actor, the the main a well 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1314.4 1314.65 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1336.44 1336.98 And you e 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1336.55 1337.55 Up close. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1337.84 1341.05 And you enjoyed that, the fact the you see clo I 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1346.03 1353.9 Well I didn't really enjoy to see bad things, but uh I think it was satisfying to see that, well, how dramatic things are. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1341.88 1346.03 Well it's very strange, you could s ask this for any sad movie, did you enjoy it. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1355.54 1360.63 I it's very moving, I it's true, it's not very it's not very, well, happy. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1354.58 1355.54 Exactly, yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1360.63 1366.11 I don't know how it would compare with Apocalypse Now, if it's darker or maybe 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1353.9 1354.58 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1352.47 1355.11 To realise how it wa how it was exactly. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1354.34 1354.66 Yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1354.77 1355.04 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1365.78 1368.51 It's very different, I don't think you can compare them. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1366.95 1368.45 Yeah, it's very different, yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1402.93 1406.79 Um especially I enjoyed the story about the the colour saturation. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1384.14 1388.83 Quite a lot of votes, so um also one of the the mainstream movies. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1370.85 1374.59 So yeah, so I think this would continue a bit our our theme. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1374.59 1384.14 So the the movie is ranked quite high, if I if I refer back to your table it's number uh, what actually, um fourteen. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1388.83 1398.09 Um on the second page uh of my notes I well I quoted some uh well some facts about the movie that I found interesting 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1369.79 1370.85 Yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1406.79 1410.11 It's true that the movie is not really black and white,
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1410.11 1416.48 uh but uh the colours are grey-ish, dark-ish, it it prov it makes a very moving effect. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1398.09 1402.93 we we could use them for either a poster or uh or a presentation. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1385.57 1385.84 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1415.49 1418.36 To make it like uh an historical movie or 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1430.16 1434.11 you know, the uniforms, weapons, things and things like that. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1421.14 1430.16 I think it's the reference to history and also this dark yeah the mood and uh things are actually well most of the things are quite grey,
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1418.6 1421.14 Yeah, I think also to show the um yeah 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1423.36 1424.93 Also sets the mood a little bit. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1425.12 1426.01 Yeah, mm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1425.96 1427 Darker and 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1432.21 1437.45 Yeah, but you'd get a different impression if you had bright blue sky and bright sunshine behind it. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1436.8 1437.2 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1438.48 1438.98 Exactly. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1438.88 1442 But if I read your first point in the in this uh trivias, 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1450.61 1456.9 and the reason was that they wan uh that the that the director wanted that uh the other actors would resent him. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1456.9 1459.21 Why this was uh wanted actually? 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1442.47 1450.61 I am just surprised because it says that all the principle actors uh underwent several days of uh cruel army training except for the Man Matt Damon 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1442.56 1442.99 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1453.96 1454.26 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1457.02 1457.35 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1459.47 1465.54 Well I think Matt Damon is the guy who must be saved, if I remember well, and in fact the die 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1462.17 1462.75 Yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1462.23 1463.49 Yeah, he's private Ryan. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1463.99 1465.95 And they didn't like it, they didn't like the mission? 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1466.44 1470.33 Well yeah, the people didn't understand why they should save one person. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1467.18 1467.84 Well 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1469.94 1475.8 They're being sent to the front behind enemy lines to retrieve one soldier only because all of his other brothers died. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1470.87 1471.5 Oh. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1485.39 1488.26 And in fact some of them d get killed for this guy. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1477.43 1485.39 So and they are quite resentful, because they I mean they feel they should fight, they shouldn't just go there and uh just get someone and get back. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1488.26 1490.02 Actually most of them, yeah, I think so. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1481.94 1483.05 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1485.3 1486.35 Yeah, and it okay. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1489.4 1489.68 Yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1487.65 1489.4 Most of them get killed, don't they? 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1487.94 1488.91 Yes. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1489.8 1494.44 So there is actually several people dying because of one single single soldier, mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1488.91 1489.8 Most of them. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1491.33 1491.86 So 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1492.6 1492.87 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1492.78 1492.99 Yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1493 1494.41 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1494.41 1498.76 It's a very I think some people compare it with uh, whatever, Christian message or I dunno,
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1498.76 1504.58 but um I think it's quite quite universal and it's uh I think it's a modern, very modern 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1498.02 1498.39 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1501.53 1501.85 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1503.68 1504.88 What kind of message? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1504.88 1506.28 Sorry, I'm not getting your 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1511.49 1518.68 the value of one is compared to others I I don't know I th I think I heard this at that point, but maybe I'm just wrong. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1518.68 1522.42 So yeah, I I think it would make a coherent choice. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1522.42 1528.33 It's probably a bit long and we might want something that is lighter and funnier 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1539.18 1544.11 But if you see in my notes at the bottom of the first page I put some other candidate movies. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1528.33 1536.65 but uh if we want to keep this this idea of history and conflict and also to show some some kind of modern treatment of it 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1506.5 1511.49 Well this uh value of one individual, it looks like a Christian message, you know,
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1536.65 1539.18 it it would make for a good choice. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1514.41 1514.83 Okay. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1516.04 1516.46 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1536.32 1536.6 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1563.99 1568.91 So do you have any questions about this, or should we just move to the next candidate maybe? 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1545.25 1553.04 Uh La Vita e Bella is an Italian one, but it's also about history and it happens at t the same period as Schindler's List. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1553.04 1559.01 And I also quoted Pulp Fiction and Silence of the Lambs, um a bit more remote from the themes 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1559.01 1563.99 but quite well known movies and enjoyable I would say. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1561.18 1561.41 Hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1570.32 1571.23 Yep. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1571.23 1572.44 Or or we have you have 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1571.26 1571.94 Okay. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1572.79 1574.36 I have no comments, no no, it's 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1573.95 1574.26 Mm-mm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1578.6 1580.94 So actually I don't know if uh 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1577.57 1578.6 Okay. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1581.6 1586.21 y any of you have uh read the document I prepared on The Big Lebowski. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1586.45 1586.68 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1587.98 1592.41 It's just below the table, so since we all refer to the table 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1589.84 1591.17 It's below the table, yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1591.17 1591.95 I wanted 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1594.91 1597.28 It's a very nice summary. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1590.81 1594.91 Yeah, but I really appreciate your table, because I found this table really useful. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1595.26 1600.5 Yeah, yeah, I wanted to say that uh it's quite open, there are many choices possible. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1594.93 1595.26 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1608.17 1612.46 And it's a actually Joel Co Coen who uh directed the movie. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1612.46 1612.91 Um 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1600.5 1608.17 But then my proposal is The Big Lebowski from um the two brothers uh Coen, Coen brothers. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1600.46 1600.75 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1612.05 1612.33 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1614.02 1621.45 the plot is quite hard to to make, but maybe you you read it al already you understood something from the plot or 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1619.36 1619.63 Yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1619.4 1619.9 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1621.84 1623.83 I tried to. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1633.74 1635.68 I think it looks funny for me. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1628.01 1633.74 and especially I think it uh well mm when you read it you just want to go to see the movie. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1624.61 1624.99 Yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1635.68 1638.46 I haven't seen the movie, but uh the summary looks funny. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1624.99 1628.01 No, I think the summary is i is quite good 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1633.62 1635.19 I am? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1683.19 1683.41 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1678.76 1683.19 They seems to have no job, I not know, we never seen i them working. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1648.27 1658 And the the the hero, the the Dude, the mm Big Lebowksi, it's actually his name, is a a kind of non-hero 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1642.64 1648.27 because it's it's a funny movie but uh it critiques a lot the American society. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1637.22 1642.64 Yeah, it's it's it's a bit like the f in my opinion like um American Beauty 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1672.86 1678.76 And they all are together in a bowling club where they meet and they discuss about uh everything. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1665.24 1672.86 And uh he has a friend comi veter veteran from Vietnam and uh another friend who is never speaking. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1658 1665.24 but he's representative of the of uh a normal uh L. A. L. A. guy. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1654.33 1654.6 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1658.05 1658.39 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1678 1678.28 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1681.56 1685.62 So doing nothing, just uh take it easy in the life, yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1685.09 1690.1 And actually he's uh taking part to a kind of um uh 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1685.54 1685.98 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1705.45 1714.62 and he's going to see the other Lebowski to ask him money, because he he because the killers actually uh damage some stuff in his apartment. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1690.43 1698.15 uh s some some killers come to his apartment uh because they think he's someone else 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1698.15 1705.45 and uh the whole story is about uh he wants to to to get some money out of this story,
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1699.41 1699.69 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1707.63 1708.25 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1709.28 1711.43 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1709.71 1710.18 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1715.45 1720.4 Actually, who are the two characters on the the p the poster, on the on the image that 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1722.49 1725.98 John Goodman, you have probably seen him in in a series? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1718.67 1722.49 It's uh Jeff Bridges and uh John Goodman. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1724.34 1724.71 Uh-huh. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1726.32 1728.74 And w and which one is the Big Lebowski on the picture? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1726.37 1726.85 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1727.92 1731.78 On the right, the guy on the right, Jeff Bridges. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1729.67 1731.72 Okay, so the guy with the glasses. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1729.95 1730.23 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1732.07 1733.57 And the one on the left is his friend? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1734.06 1735.48 Or is that the other Lebowski? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1738.15 1739.15 He's kind of uh 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1734.29 1735 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1735 1738.15 He's the one coming uh from from Vietnam. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1736.51 1737.72 The Vietnam guy. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1737.86 1738.35 Oh, okay. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1738.04 1738.89 Aha, yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1740.25 1744.55 he is still equipped for for war. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1744.55 1745.18 Okay so uh 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1742.5 1742.97 Hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1744.88 1748.73 But this movie is is supposed to happen in uh what time, I mean it's uh 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1749.14 1751.93 It's f a movie from the nineties actually, yep. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1749.51 1749.87 Which ca 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1751.79 1757.44 And he's still uh still uh prepared from or or still as he he would come from the Vietnam. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1751 1751.79 From the nineties? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1760.05 1768.92 I'm going to actually I want to show you some posters I prepared for this movie, so we actually can discuss at the same time the poster design. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1758 1760.05 Yep, yeah, yeah, that's a problem. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1758.84 1760.06 Okay. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1760.06 1761.33 There i 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1760.46 1761.47 Well, sort of. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1765.81 1766.57 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1767.26 1767.72 Oh. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1781.49 1788.8 Afterward it's uh uh a guy who John Turturro, they are competing with him on a bowling uh contest, 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1778.33 1781.49 Then it's the guy coming back from Vietnam. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1770.37 1778.33 So on the left you see the main characters of the movie, so the the hero at the top left. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1777.8 1778.12 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1786.22 1786.61 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1789 1789.33 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1799.38 1802.73 Each time he's trying to speak, the other one are are stopping him. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1796.58 1797.81 Buscemi? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1797.81 1799.38 He's never speaking in the movie. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1790.16 1796.58 and um Julianne Moore and the last one is Buscemi or something like that. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1796.31 1797.49 Buscemi, yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1796.89 1797.14 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1799.37 1799.65 Really? 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1803.1 1803.58 Oh. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1804.05 1805.11 So it's qu 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1804.7 1806.8 And this one is supposed to be the second Lebowski? 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1807.85 1808.24 Or who 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1807.85 1810.89 No, he's not on the on the picture, the second Lebowski. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1810.4 1811.2 Okay, okay. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1811.95 1819.72 So uh my proposition was to add um the title of course, some information abo about the pricing on the right 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1820.24 1822.74 Yeah, you cannot read it very well because 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1822.32 1825.5 Uh yeah, but when it will be printed it will be okay, I think. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1825.43 1830.82 But actually I'm I'm little bit missing th some information about our movie club, I think uh there should be some more information. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1827.14 1827.76 Ah, you mean 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1830.21 1832.16 Okay, so I prepared a second one 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1836.17 1842.26 At the bottom we can see that um, do you know Mondre Montreux English Movie Club? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1833.29 1836.17 where th th th there's there is some information. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1842.26 1849.15 Uh I said that people can contact us to to get to the committee and select movies. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1838.66 1839.05 Mm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1839.11 1840.42 Yeah I like this, mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1848.4 1849.63 Mm-hmm, yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1850.58 1851.13 Uh-huh. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1851.13 1853.1 Yeah, the text on this one is very good. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1850.85 1851.54 So um. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1851.09 1853.23 I think it looks too much like a C. D. cover, though. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1852.94 1853.2 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1854.48 1854.89 Okay. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1854.86 1855.97 Oh because it's square. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1856.36 1858.81 I like the layout of the first one and the content of this one. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1859.33 1859.69 Uh-huh. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1859.81 1861.45 So perhaps we can somehow combine them. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1860.33 1862.57 But there is a th there is a third one. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1864.56 1869.01 Um actually I I prefer it because it's more colourful also. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1869.6 1871.92 It looks like two different posters though. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1871.23 1874.49 The f the first poster is I think much uh much too dark. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1869.68 1871.23 Yeah, I don't like the black one. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1873.84 1876.91 I think there is too many colours, too many colours. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1883.16 1888.03 this is typical typical uh poster I wouldn't wouldn't look at. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1876.91 1883.16 Nowadays, you know, if you see some advertisements on the s yeah, but nowadays if you see some advertisement on the on the street 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1875.97 1876.89 No, that's nice. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1878.1 1880.88 But it's it can catch the eyes actually but um 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1880.92 1881.18 Yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1885.04 1886 It's hard to read. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1886.49 1886.69 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1892.13 1896.31 e especially for uh a movie people don't n never heard about it. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1887.23 1892.13 But then the problem I preferred the first one, because I think it's important to have the plot of movie 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1896.31 1897.32 But uh I don't know. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1892.23 1892.55 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1895.73 1897.05 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1897.05 1901.69 Yeah, maybe two or three sentences, because I guess they won't stop in front of the poster. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1896.32 1896.96 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1899.61 1900.04 Okay. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1899.74 1902.03 The paragraph I think was a little bit long. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1902.96 1907.97 Okay, so what do you propose, what should I do for these posters? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1907.97 1909.03 In terms of content. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1903.09 1903.35 Yep. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1908.29 1910.59 So layout of the first one 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1909.27 1912.11 I would and content of the second one. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1912.48 1913.77 and colours of the third one. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1919.38 1927.29 So I'll put all the information and you want me to put the at the bottom, all the information about the committee and the the Montreux Club, okay. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1913.4 1919.38 Okay, I'll try to do something, but first anyway we have to select a movie. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1919.48 1919.97 Yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1920.92 1921.44 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1919.48 1920.92 Yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1925.43 1926.16 Exactly. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1925.56 1926.96 Yeah, like what you have there. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1927.94 1928.78 Okay. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1942.33 1945.11 people don't r generally just stand there and then read the whole thing. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1936.76 1942.33 not even of the whole plot, but just descriptions of the movie or 'cause I think that paragraph is too long 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1928.76 1936.76 And then maybe replace the paragraph that you had on the first poster with either shorter sort of descriptions,
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1932.52 1932.84 Okay. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1940.59 1940.98 Okay. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1947.12 1954.02 Okay, so just to conti to finish with The Big Lebowski, it's um I think those two images are pretty representative 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1961.04 1965.77 and on the bottom it's uh he is he keeps dreaming in th in this movie 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1954.02 1961.04 so the on the first on on the top you see the hero with a a cowboy that i introduces the movie 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1965.77 1973.99 because uh uh the killer's um uh put it d put it or he is drinking too much also,
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1973.99 1979.07 so each time he's uh drinking he's having some dreams, very very weird, but interesting. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1959.99 1960.4 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1973.96 1974.8 Oh okay. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 1974 1974.51 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1974.15 1974.82 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1979.6 1983.45 So the woman on the second picture, that's Julianne Moore or oh. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1982.18 1983.63 Yep. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1983.63 1983.98 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1993.29 1995.04 So maybe he's making strange uh 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1985.1 1993.29 Actually, she wants him to she wants to make kids and she's using the Big Lebowski to have kids with him, but he doesn't know. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1993.8 1994.3 Ah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 1994.98 1995.64 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1995.87 1997.73 Interesting. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 1997.73 2002.51 So it's not really violent or I mean the movie is quite for general audiences. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2002.51 2002.79 Okay. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 1996.74 1997.05 Okay. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2001.96 2006.81 Yeah, yeah, it's very very sweet and it's like a it's like a dream actually. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2003.85 2005.65 okay. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2006.54 2010.11 How is it actually r ranked, because I cannot see it here in your table. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2006.83 2007.15 Huh. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2009.18 2012.74 It's um no, it is on in the table actually. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2016.23 2017.41 Forty eight. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2017.41 2019.54 But quite a lot of people have seen it actually. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2012.74 2016.23 It's um it's coming at the end. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2012 2013.64 I somehow can't find it. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2015.21 2016.42 It's here, forty eight. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2016.66 2017.47 Ah, forty eight. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2019.4 2021.39 Yeah, fifty thousand, mm-mm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2021.97 2023.53 Well, at least voted for it. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2024.36 2024.5 Yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2024.73 2027.23 Voted, yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2024.8 2027.6 I hope more people have seen it. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2026.12 2028.33 Yeah, but generally you vote when you have seen the movie, no? 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2029.99 2030.27 Mm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2030.94 2034.21 Okay, so uh I think we should decide for a movie now. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2032.96 2033.31 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2033.2 2034.22 Yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2033.72 2034.25 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2034.64 2035.15 So 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2036.56 2040.6 maybe each of us can s can select two movies or 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2040.55 2042.67 Yeah, let's nominate first. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2041.9 2043.12 Let's nominate, okay. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2042.28 2042.56 Okay. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2043.95 2046.24 And then we vote we choose from the list. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2047.06 2051.96 So I will take basically two extremes, I will take Schindler's List and I will take uh The Big Lebowski. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2058.62 2062.26 while the second one is about the Second War and is uh serious. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2053.28 2058.62 One of the one of them is really just funny and from the nineties, uh I mean the story is from the nineties 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2062.78 2063.17 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2072.44 2076.4 And I haven't seen it, but I would like to see it and I think American Beauty. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2065.27 2072.44 Well I'll nominate the one I proposed, Saving Private Ryan, so history, war, drem drama. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2076.77 2077.05 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2077.96 2084.09 If you if you think that our series okay, it's not about America, but uh still Apocalypse well, yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2084.09 2087.44 It's about countries. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2087.44 2089.81 So, Agnes, Denis? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2089.28 2094.58 Um I'd go for Sixth Sense, just because it's different from all the other ones and 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2096.16 2099.58 maybe Shawshank Redemption, just because we haven't seen it. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2099.64 2099.92 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2103.51 2107.27 So Denis, are you happy with our choices or would you like to add something? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2113.78 2120.79 because I think it's uh it's an easy movie to watch and and still there are a lot of things to think afterward. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2107.85 2113.78 Um no, actually I'm happy with the choices, because I really I would really push uh American Beauty 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2121 2121.37 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2121.23 2121.58 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2121.84 2124.19 And it's representative of the nineties, I think. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2124.41 2124.73 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2124.67 2125.02 Okay. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2124.94 2125.26 Yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2131.71 2135.98 You can give two points to one and one point to another one? 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2135.98 2138.29 Would you like this strange way to vote? 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2126.29 2131.71 So what if we voted, say, like for first and second choice and then we count? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2136.77 2137.82 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2135.66 2136.77 Okay. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2138.61 2139.72 Okay, that's 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2144.6 2144.96 No 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2142.21 2144.6 Okay, start, Andrei. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2144.17 2146.73 Um okay so uh 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2145.78 2149.85 I don't want to finish I think I'm going to 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2155.6 2159.21 I'll give two points to Saving Private Ryan and one to American Beauty. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2148.84 2155.6 Oh yeah, um well it's uh well if I nominated two and I was the only one 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2161.91 2163.08 Okay, um 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2164.9 2165.85 Then you'd better hurry. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2163.28 2164.9 You don't want to finish, Denis. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2163.98 2168.52 Yeah, but then each of us will will uh but then each of us will vote for uh our nominees 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2168.52 2176.36 so I would propose to to to vote for s sun uh to to give the points to the to the movies that were not nominated by you. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2164.06 2164.89 No. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2170.15 2170.6 Okay. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2177.33 2180.57 Okay. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2182.89 2189.52 Um okay, so I'll give um uh b um 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2180.57 2182.89 That makes the vote more complicated. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2177.98 2180.17 Yeah, maybe it makes more sense, yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2178.22 2180.17 Okay. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2179.01 2183.26 So then it's it's more complicated but yeah, okay, let's 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2189.48 2190.78 Mm-hmm, okay. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2190.56 2194.23 okay, two to The Sixth Sense and one to The Big Lebowski. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2196.76 2197.9 Sixth Sense. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2198.04 2200.73 Okay, me I put two to American Beauty 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2202.39 2206.89 and uh one to Saving Private Ryan. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2208.09 2209.44 Okay, um 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2209.09 2209.42 'Kay. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2216.44 2217.35 Okay, oh. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2215.35 2216.44 Agnes? 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2209.16 2215.35 I note that you didn't nominate a film, so you are sort of freer than us. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2212.23 2215.75 So I'll 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2215.17 2215.96 Seconds. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2215.41 2217.35 No, Big Lebowski, I nominate. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2217.71 2221.28 I'll give two to American Beauty and 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2223.31 2224.19 mm 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2225.76 2227.04 one to The Big Lebowski. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2228 2234.67 okay, and I wi I will give one to The Big Lebowski and two to The uh uh Shawshank Redemption. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2235.48 2236.82 Okay, so it's pretty clear. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2236.5 2237.83 So now try to sum it up. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2237.72 2243.36 American Beauty four, Big Lebowski three. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2243.36 2245.23 So you have to redo the posters, uh? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2237.9 2238.64 American Beauty. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2238.19 2239.19 So do we have something? 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2240.21 2241.32 Uh three. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2239.13 2240.21 American Beauty. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2243.17 2243.44 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2245.36 2249.67 Yeah, that's the only thing that's worrying me, but it should be okay. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2249.67 2250.01 Yeah, yeah. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2246.17 2246.36 Mm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2248.23 2252.71 Well you can keep the format, I mean th you didn't have that many graphics in the first one. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2250.96 2257 So you select you wanted actually me to select the this design? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2257 2263.94 That takes a bit more time, but if you c if all of you can send me one image, I can make something on the left. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2263.94 2265.97 Select one image from the movie and uh 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2251.42 2251.67 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2257.3 2259.15 You mean the first poster, yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2257.6 2257.9 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2257.85 2258.1 Yeah. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2263.19 2263.46 Okay. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2265.42 2268.73 But I would say these images are very nice and they are really representative perhaps. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2269.03 2270.36 Maybe you can leave those. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2269.3 2273.63 Yes, but of the wrong movie. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2273.63 2274.79 That's the real twist. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2270.41 2270.77 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2273.23 2274.44 Okay. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2274.44 2277.06 No but I'll make something. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2270.96 2273.23 With a different title? 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2277.37 2277.76 Sorry. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2274.48 2277.37 I'm Yeah, sure, sorry. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2277.92 2279.37 Oh leave Julianne Moore. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2279.35 2282.62 Julianne Moore actually uh 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2279.37 2281.55 I was sleepi sleeping for a while. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2285.98 2286.76 In American Beauty? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2283.69 2285.98 She's playing in the no? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2284.4 2285.42 No, she's not. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2289.21 2294.38 Annette Bening, who's the m the main character, the well, the main female character, the mother. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2286.79 2289.21 No, it's who is it? 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2290.39 2290.98 Ah okay. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2290.69 2291.01 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2294.62 2296.57 Okay uh we s 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2295.16 2298.79 Okay, I'm looking forward to seeing it, I haven't see it, so 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2297.65 2301.11 We still have to decide for next meeting and we're all set. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2300.35 2301.8 When do you want these images by? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2302.87 2303.39 Just quickly. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2304.09 2308.38 Uh by uh Monday, next Monday. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2304.69 2305.42 Day after tomorrow? 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2313.69 2317.65 Um so we have to select the movie for May. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2318.37 2321.05 It should be from this period, because nineties 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2321.59 2323.3 I think we can meet at the same period. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2322.08 2322.73 would be finished. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2323.13 2324 Two thousands. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2324.06 2324.38 Mm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2324.38 2325.08 Two thousand. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2324.28 2326.69 So uh we'll try a movie from the two thousands. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2326.66 2327.03 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2332.16 2334.12 So I think Monday is second? 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2329.23 2332.16 And we can meet at the beginning of May. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2331.48 2331.64 Yeah. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2332.1 2332.33 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2336.37 2336.58 No. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2336.38 2338.64 No, Monday is third already. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2337.78 2338.42 Third isn't it? 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2340.94 2341.59 Mm whatever. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2341.64 2342.44 Monday May third? 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2342.48 2342.89 Whatever. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2342.69 2344.02 First Monday of May. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2343.54 2344.03 Okay. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2344.71 2347 First Monday of May, yeah, so it's after the projection,
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2347 2351.88 and we will see what are the reactions of the people and so it makes sense that we are yes, yes, yes. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2348.55 2348.79 Yep. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2349.48 2351.9 Yeah, how many people we got and uh 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2352.26 2356.28 We can ask people casually, sort of what genre of movie they want, or 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2355.81 2356.23 Mm-hmm. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2357.16 2359.29 And perhaps we will have some new members. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2357.28 2362.25 But then in June, what are we going to do in June, because we cannot make movies from ten two thousand 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2361.05 2363.05 Um 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2361.62 2362.21 Start again. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2363.39 2367.92 Maybe some kind of movies that spans across periods. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2367.92 2375 I think there is a Godard with a lot of um quotations from other movies or well let's see when we 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2363.4 2364.71 Or go back to the fifties. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2363.76 2364.09 Yeah. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2373.97 2375.73 yeah, maybe. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2375.98 2377.75 Let's cross the bridge when we get to it. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2379.62 2380 Thank you. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2377.89 2379.62 Okay. 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2378.87 2379.63 Okay. 
IB4011 H01 MIO036 2380.66 2384.07 Thanks, see you April ni twenty ninth, American Beauty. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2381.84 2382.75 So what's the movie again? 
IB4011 H00 FIE038 2383.53 2384.23 American Beauty. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2384.1 2385.12 American Beauty, finally. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2384.1 2384.58 Okay. 
IB4011 H03 MIO046 2384.58 2385.12 Thank you. 
IB4011 H02 MIO095 2386.17 2386.48 Okay.